From ian at chopstixmedia.com Sun Jun 1 06:49:14 2003 From: ian at chopstixmedia.com (Ian Fenn) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 05:49:14 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Version 2.1.2 on Redhat Linux 7.3 Message-ID: <003d01c327f9$2684e750$0100a8c0@dell> Hi, Is it possible to run Version 2.1.2 of Mailman on Redhat Linux 7.3? I asked my hosting provider and they wrote: > Here is some information: > > Your current versions are: > > python-1.5.2-43.73 > python2-2.2.2-11.7.3 > mailman-2.0.13-1 > > All are already the latest supported versions for RedHat 7.3. What > you probably need is python-2.2.2-26 or newer, with mailman-2.1-8 > which show the following dependencies and some others: > > libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.3) is needed by python-2.2.2-26 > libcrypto.so.4 is needed by python-2.2.2-26 > libdb-4.0.so is needed by python-2.2.2-26 > libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.3.2) is needed by python-2.2.2-26 > libssl.so.4 is needed by python-2.2.2-26 > python >= 1.6 conflicts with postgresql-python-7.2.3-5.73 > python = 1.5.2 is needed by mx-2.0.3-1 > python = 1.5.2-43.73 is needed by python-devel-1.5.2-43.73 > python = 1.5.2-43.73 is needed by python-tools-1.5.2-43.73 > /usr/bin/python1.5 is needed by up2date-2.8.39-1.7.3 > > It seems like RedHat currently does not support an upgrade of this > magnitude, phyton and mailmax sould be compiled from source RPMs, > that, personally I wouldn't be familiar with. This plus the fact > of binding them together... So, they don't sound too hopeful. Any advice would be much appreciated. Many thanks, -- Ian From gswallow at netgawds.com Sun Jun 1 08:08:03 2003 From: gswallow at netgawds.com (Greg Swallow) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 01:08:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug? Message-ID: <3ED99843.6070600@netgawds.com> Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 169, in main change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 1223, in change_options gui.handleForm(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Gui/GUIBase.py", line 156, in handleForm self._setValue(mlist, property, val, doc) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Gui/Digest.py", line 148, in _setValue status = mlist.send_digest_now() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in send_i18n_digests msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 178, in process raise DiscardMessage DiscardMessage ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Apr 6 2003, 18:09:02) [GCC 3.2] sys.executable /usr/local/bin/python sys.prefix /usr/local sys.exec_prefix /usr/local sys.path /usr/local sys.platform sunos5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Environment variables: Variable Value PATH_INFO /defendnet/digest HTTP_ACCEPT text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_REFERER http://lists.in.gov/mailman/admin/defendnet/digest SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin SERVER_ADMIN admin at www.IN.gov SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admin SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.27 Server at lists.IN.gov Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD POST HTTP_HOST lists.in.gov HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 300 SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive REQUEST_URI /mailman/admin/defendnet/digest CONTENT_LENGTH 439 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030526 TZ US/East-Indiana HTTP_COOKIE defendnet+admin=280200000069e084d93e732800000030666631663138626633303961636130336334326630663164316262613839633561396538343930; greg-test+admin=280200000069f091d93e732800000032633136633837343932626633396631363939353532366633633838663464393664353066366531 SERVER_NAME lists.IN.gov REMOTE_ADDR 68.58.49.104 REMOTE_PORT 37794 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us,en;q=0.5 PATH_TRANSLATED /usr/local/apache/share/htdocs/defendnet/digest SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip,deflate,compress;q=0.9 SERVER_ADDR 10.8.51.75 DOCUMENT_ROOT /usr/local/apache/share/htdocs From gswallow at netgawds.com Sun Jun 1 08:17:35 2003 From: gswallow at netgawds.com (Greg Swallow) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 01:17:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages not posting to the list, but being digested? Message-ID: <3ED99A7F.5090007@netgawds.com> Hello, I have a question... I have a list that had digesting turned on. It's now off. This list runs on Solaris 9, Python 2.2.2, Qmail, and Mailman 2.1.2 (although I had the problem with 2.1.1 too). Two times now, I've had messages meant to be posted to the list get discarded. All that happened, I thought, was that the messages were being discarded, as shown in the vette log. However, the digest.mbox file was getting updated, so I cat /dev/null > digest.mbox and then turn off digesting, and it works. ?? -- any suggestions? From mm at tentra.com Sun Jun 1 08:44:44 2003 From: mm at tentra.com (Tentra List Support) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 06:44:44 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Version 2.1.2 on Redhat Linux 7.3 In-Reply-To: <003d01c327f9$2684e750$0100a8c0@dell> References: <003d01c327f9$2684e750$0100a8c0@dell> Message-ID: <1054449870.7882.20.camel@rhea.office.tentra.com> It is possible - I have it running on two different RedHat 7.3 servers. You cannot, however, use the RedHat rpm for Mailman 2.1.2 from RedHat 8 or 9 and you will have to build Mailman from source (mailman.tar.gz) . The version of python you have (python2-2.2.2-11) is probably current enough and Mailman has to be configured with that version and not the python-1.5.2-43 version. The thing to do would be to download mailman.tar.gz from www.list.org and extract it and read the INSTALL file. Hope this helps. David On Sat, 2003-05-31 at 23:49, Ian Fenn wrote: > Hi, > > Is it possible to run Version 2.1.2 of Mailman on Redhat Linux 7.3? > > I asked my hosting provider and they wrote: > > > Here is some information: > > > > Your current versions are: > > > > python-1.5.2-43.73 > > python2-2.2.2-11.7.3 > > mailman-2.0.13-1 > > > > All are already the latest supported versions for RedHat 7.3. What > > you probably need is python-2.2.2-26 or newer, with mailman-2.1-8 > > which show the following dependencies and some others: > > > > libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.3) is needed by python-2.2.2-26 > > libcrypto.so.4 is needed by python-2.2.2-26 > > libdb-4.0.so is needed by python-2.2.2-26 > > libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.3.2) is needed by python-2.2.2-26 > > libssl.so.4 is needed by python-2.2.2-26 > > python >= 1.6 conflicts with postgresql-python-7.2.3-5.73 > > python = 1.5.2 is needed by mx-2.0.3-1 > > python = 1.5.2-43.73 is needed by python-devel-1.5.2-43.73 > > python = 1.5.2-43.73 is needed by python-tools-1.5.2-43.73 > > /usr/bin/python1.5 is needed by up2date-2.8.39-1.7.3 > > > > It seems like RedHat currently does not support an upgrade of this > > magnitude, phyton and mailmax sould be compiled from source RPMs, > > that, personally I wouldn't be familiar with. This plus the fact > > of binding them together... > > So, they don't sound too hopeful. > > Any advice would be much appreciated. > > Many thanks, > > -- > Ian > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: mm at tentra.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mm%40tentra.com From jwt at OnJapan.net Sun Jun 1 12:22:48 2003 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 19:22:48 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman.Errors.NotAMemberError from password reminder cron Message-ID: <20030601102248.GE23035@server.onjapan.net> Using Mailman 2.1.2, the cron job that mails password reminders caused an exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds", line 218, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds", line 145, in main password = mlist.getMemberPassword(member) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 102, in +getMemberPassword raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member Mailman.Errors.NotAMemberError: xxxxx at yyyyy.nl But the specified user is a member of one of the lists, and all of the lists pass the check_db tests. Where should I look to fix this? From cody at pinkpc.net Sun Jun 1 15:51:43 2003 From: cody at pinkpc.net (CodyG) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 06:51:43 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] passwords Message-ID: <002001c32844$f03554e0$6c164518@earthshine> Hi All... I'm new to using Mailman on my websites, so I have a lot of questions. I set the option for sending monthly password reminders, thinking "this sound like a good idea." Then the reminder arrived last night and lo and behold it had a different password. What's up with this? Seems funky and will be totally confusing for my users. So, I'm turning it off unless someone can explain to me why it works this way. Thanks. From edc at proadmin.com Sun Jun 1 18:24:47 2003 From: edc at proadmin.com (Eric D. Christensen) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 16:24:47 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman.Errors.NotAMemberError from password reminder cron Message-ID: <1054484648.20225.120.camel@o3> I had this problem a while back. Barry tracked it down to being a user without a password. Thanks again Barry!. Upgrade to 2.1.2. There are patches that were rolled onto 2.1.2 to deal with this situation a little more gracefully. Barry also sent me the following bin/withlist function to test fo missing passwords. Save this to ban/verify.pl then invoke it as 'bin/withlist -r verify listname' (where listname is, of course, the name of your list). Find you user with a null password and then set one for them you'll all fixed. def verify(mlist): members = {} for m in mlist.members.keys(): members[m] = None for m in mlist.digest_members.keys(): members[m] = None for m, p in mlist.passwords.items(): if not members.has_key(m): print 'password for non-member:', m else: members[m] = p for m, p in members.items(): if p is None: print 'no password for member:', m print 'done' -- Eric D. Christensen Proadmin, Inc. From vanhorn at whidbey.com Sun Jun 1 19:36:33 2003 From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 10:36:33 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Host - adding to Mailman References: <001001c29877$60f60020$0164a8c0@rambo> Message-ID: <3EDA39A1.DC8D990@whidbey.com> Greetings, I've been through a ton of messages, the README-POSTFIX, alternate regexp approach mentioned in there, and the alternate (by Dax Kelson) mentioned in that. It's left me confused. I have had Mailman running with Postfix for a couple of years, it currently is at 2.0b3. (I will be installing 2.1.2 as soon as I send this message.) All of the lists are standard, @virtuoso.domainvanhorn.com mail addresses, with admin pages at that host as well. For political reasons, a customer wants their seven lists to appear only in their own domains. (@lists., office1 at lists., etc.), and they would like the subscriber info pages and archives to be in their domain as well. As a possible complication, it would be best if the current domain continues to work so they don't have to deal with bouncing mail while all employees update their address books. So what's my best plan? How about the best documented? Van -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Sign up now for Quotes of the Day, a handful of quotations on a theme delivered every morning. Enlightenment! Daily, for free! mailto:twisted at whidbey.com?subject=Subscribe_QOTD For web hosting and maintenance, visit Van's home page: http://www.domainvanhorn.com/van/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From vanhorn at whidbey.com Sun Jun 1 20:30:57 2003 From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 11:30:57 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade from 2.1beta3 to 2.1 final References: <3E30CA1D.90309@lightspeed.ca> <15920.55348.383826.887327@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <3EDA4661.C88A4D75@whidbey.com> Well, that was reassuring, so I ran "ps aux | grep mail" to dig out the syntax for mailmanctl, and stopped it with /usr/bin/python2 /home/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s -q stop I went to /usr/scr/mailman.2.1.2 and ran the exact same commands I used last October to install 2.1b3. (Yes, I keep these things around, I hate haveing to figure them out every few months.) ./configure --with-mail-gid=99 --with-cgi-gid=99 --prefix=/home/mailman --with-python=/usr/bin/python2 make install When I restarted mailmanctl I get [mailman at virtuoso templates]$ /usr/bin/python2 /home/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s -q start Site list is missing: mailman The web interface appears to be running fine, but ps reports no mailman processes, and messages are not being processed. I realized that I was running as root when I did the install, so I did "chown -R mailman:mailman *" from /home/mailman, and got the same result. I then reconfigured and reinstalled. I had a couple of permission problems in foreign language template directories, didn't see any other errors, but I still come up with the same error on startup. Mailman is totally down, so if anybody has a hint I'm standing by! Van "Barry A. Warsaw" wrote: > >>>>> "MS" == Marius Scurtescu writes: > > MS> I am running Maiman 2.1 beta 3 and I would like to > MS> upgrade to the final release. > > That's an easy upgrade. Just stop mailmanctl, then configure and make > install right over 2.1b3. Then start mailmanctl again and you should > be good to go. > > -Barry > -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Sign up now for Quotes of the Day, a handful of quotations on a theme delivered every morning. Enlightenment! Daily, for free! mailto:twisted at whidbey.com?subject=Subscribe_QOTD For web hosting and maintenance, visit Van's home page: http://www.domainvanhorn.com/van/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From teastep at shorewall.net Sun Jun 1 20:43:31 2003 From: teastep at shorewall.net (Tom Eastep) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 11:43:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade from 2.1beta3 to 2.1 final In-Reply-To: <3EDA4661.C88A4D75@whidbey.com> References: <3E30CA1D.90309@lightspeed.ca> <15920.55348.383826.887327@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <3EDA4661.C88A4D75@whidbey.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 11:30:57 -0700, G. Armour Van Horn wrote: > When I restarted mailmanctl I get > > [mailman at virtuoso templates]$ /usr/bin/python2 > /home/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s > -q start > Site list is missing: mailman > A google search would have lead you to this post: ------------- You need to have a mailing list named "mailman". The INSTALL file says: - Create a "site-wide" mailing list. This is the one that password reminders will appear to come from. Usually this should be the "mailman" mailing list, but if you need to change this, be sure to change the MAILMAN_SITE_LIST variable in mm_cfg.py (see below). % bin/newlist mailman Follow the prompts, and see the README file for more information. - You should then subscribe yourself to the mailman list. ------------- -Tom -- Tom Eastep \ Shorewall - iptables made easy Shoreline, \ http://www.shorewall.net Washington USA \ teastep at shorewall.net From vanhorn at whidbey.com Sun Jun 1 21:04:04 2003 From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 12:04:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade from 2.1beta3 to 2.1 final References: <3E30CA1D.90309@lightspeed.ca> <15920.55348.383826.887327@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <3EDA4661.C88A4D75@whidbey.com> Message-ID: <3EDA4E24.E4E2EC68@whidbey.com> Silly me, I searched the FAQs at www.list.org instead. But hey, you nailed it and the lists appear to be up and running again. Thanks. Van Tom Eastep wrote: > On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 11:30:57 -0700, G. Armour Van Horn > wrote: > > > When I restarted mailmanctl I get > > > > [mailman at virtuoso templates]$ /usr/bin/python2 > > /home/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s > > -q start > > Site list is missing: mailman > > > > A google search would have lead you to this post: > ------------- > You need to have a mailing list named "mailman". The INSTALL file says: > - Create a "site-wide" mailing list. This is the one that > password reminders will appear to come from. Usually this > should be the "mailman" mailing list, but if you need to change > this, be sure to change the MAILMAN_SITE_LIST variable in > mm_cfg.py (see below). > % bin/newlist mailman > Follow the prompts, and see the README file for more > information. > - You should then subscribe yourself to the mailman list. > ------------- > -Tom > -- > Tom Eastep \ Shorewall - iptables made easy > Shoreline, \ http://www.shorewall.net > Washington USA \ teastep at shorewall.net -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Sign up now for Quotes of the Day, a handful of quotations on a theme delivered every morning. Enlightenment! Daily, for free! mailto:twisted at whidbey.com?subject=Subscribe_QOTD For web hosting and maintenance, visit Van's home page: http://www.domainvanhorn.com/van/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From paul at thcwd.com Sun Jun 1 23:24:50 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 16:24:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Version 2.1.2 on Redhat Linux 7.3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030601161745.0324c1a0@mail.thcwd.com> Ian Fenn wrote: >Is it possible to run Version 2.1.2 of Mailman on Redhat Linux 7.3? > >I asked my hosting provider and they wrote: > > > Here is some information: > > > > Your current versions are: > > > > python-1.5.2-43.73 > > python2-2.2.2-11.7.3 > > mailman-2.0.13-1 > > > > All are already the latest supported versions for RedHat 7.3. What > > you probably need is python-2.2.2-26 or newer, with mailman-2.1-8 > > which show the following dependencies and some others: The python2 is fine. Compile from source, and be sure you point to the proper python with something like this: ./configure --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python2.2 Or where ever python lives on your system. <>< Paul From jwt at OnJapan.net Mon Jun 2 01:26:42 2003 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 08:26:42 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman.Errors.NotAMemberError from password reminder cron In-Reply-To: <1054484648.20225.120.camel@o3> References: <1054484648.20225.120.camel@o3> Message-ID: <20030601232642.GA29083@server.onjapan.net> On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 09:24:08AM -0700, Eric D. Christensen wrote: > Upgrade to 2.1.2. There are patches that were rolled onto 2.1.2 to deal > with this situation a little more gracefully. I am using 2.1.2, so perhaps the patches didn't make it. > Barry also sent me the following bin/withlist function to test fo > missing passwords. Save this to ban/verify.pl then invoke it as > 'bin/withlist -r verify listname' (where listname is, of course, the > name of your list). Find you user with a null password and then set one > for them you'll all fixed. But the user that caused the exception indeed did not have a password. Thanks! From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com Mon Jun 2 01:55:33 2003 From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 19:55:33 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest Errors Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030601195036.0361a8c0@mail.creativedatasolns.com> My system (Red Hat 7.2, Mailman 2.1.2) has been running fine since it was installed, until this past Thursday. It is now giving errors on the daily senddigests command: Cron /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests Error Message: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main mlist.send_digest_now() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in send_i18n_digests msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 257, in process url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 349, in save_attachment ext = guess_extension(ctype, fnext) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 80, in guess_extension if ext in all: TypeError: iterable argument required I have not made any changes to the system, other than installing the updates with Red Hat's up2date program. Suggestions on what is causing this? Thanks! Larry From chriskl at familyhealth.com.au Mon Jun 2 03:01:58 2003 From: chriskl at familyhealth.com.au (Christopher Kings-Lynne) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 09:01:58 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MySQL? References: <1054305030.2274.16.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org><1054307806.18834.67.camel@localhost.localdomain><20030530181036.A23591@nina.cs.keele.ac.uk> <1054317690.18834.126.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <10f001c328a3$25f4db10$6500a8c0@fhp.internal> > Ideally, the MySQL bridge would be an option or add-on, much like say, > the htdig search tool, the Mhonarc hook, etc. Organisations such as > yours would not be obliged to use it. So long as it didn't ONLY support MySQL, and supported PostgreSQL, etc. (I think cursor's would be pretty much essential) then I wouldn't complain. Chris From barry at python.org Mon Jun 2 04:50:39 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 02:50:39 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] PROBLEM with Administrative Requests In-Reply-To: <3EC5B6AA.60708@isu.edu> References: <3EC5B6AA.60708@isu.edu> Message-ID: <1054522233.1619.0.camel@geddy> On Sat, 2003-05-17 at 00:12, Kory Wheatley wrote: > I've sent this email twice and no one has responded to this problem, I would really > appreciate a response. > > I receive this below error when I go into the Administrative Interface and > check "Preserve messsages for the site administrator" and then I check the > discard option. Once I click submit this is what I receive below. > > > BUG in Mailman version 2.1.1 > We're sorry, we hit a bug! > > If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy > of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what > happened. Thanks! > > > Traceback: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main > main() > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 163, in main > process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 681, in process_form > forward, forwardaddr) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 184, in HandleRequest > forward, addr) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 262, in __handlepost > msg = cPickle.load(fp) > ValueError: could not convert string to float Hmm, I just tried this under MM 2.1.2+ (cvs) and Python 2.2.3 and it works okay for me. What version of Python are you using? -Barry From clementsm at swistgroup.com Mon Jun 2 12:13:08 2003 From: clementsm at swistgroup.com (Max Clements) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:13:08 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Wrapper non-zero return codes... Message-ID: Does anyone have a list of the non-zero return codes that the mailman wrapper returns as in Child process of mailman_transport transport returned 2 from command: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman Or Child process of mailman_transport transport returned 6 from command: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman I have browsed all the FAQ's and cannot find anything obvious... Cheerio -- Max Clements Technical Specialist - R&D SWiST Group Technologies (Pty) Ltd. Cell: +27 82 564 9294 Email: clementsm at swistgroup.com Stein House, Brandwacht Office Park, STELLENBOSCH, 7130, South Africa WWW: http://www.swistgroup.com Tel: +27 21 888-7920, Fax: +27 21 400-8013 Click here to view our e-mail legal notice: http://www.swistgroup.com/email.htm or call: +27 21 888 7920 - Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life! From mcpherdl at evms.edu Mon Jun 2 14:22:09 2003 From: mcpherdl at evms.edu (McPherson, Dale L.) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 08:22:09 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where are the archives? Message-ID: <61CFE1372ED0B844A783C1A26BC5716C090B8B51@evmsmail.evms.edu> As a newbie in the group, I'd like to be able to search the archives, but the URL provided in listed messages, http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ produces a Not Found error. Is there actually a usable archive for this list? Dale M. From dhphllps at memphis.edu Mon Jun 2 14:56:56 2003 From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 07:56:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where are the archives? In-Reply-To: <61CFE1372ED0B844A783C1A26BC5716C090B8B51@evmsmail.evms.edu> Message-ID: On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 07:22 AM, McPherson, Dale L. wrote: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > produces a Not Found error. Is there actually a usable archive for this > list? > From the Mail-Archive home page: > June 2, 2003 > > Mail-Archive is experiencing technical problems, all archives are > temporarily offline and are being actively restored from backup. > Because of the very large volume of data, this process takes a long > time - multiple days so far, and possible a few more are required. > Thank you for your patience. > > Jeff Breidenbach > jeff at jab.org From steve.rothman at creo.com Mon Jun 2 15:55:50 2003 From: steve.rothman at creo.com (Steve Rothman) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 09:55:50 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posting to list via mailman archives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm wondering if anyone has ever set up their mailman archives so that people can reply to list messages directly from the web page. I know it would be trivial to add a mailto link to the list address on the archive html pages, but I'm thinking more like some sort of script that would not use mailto -- instead it would provide a text edit box to the user, and when they clicked "send" a well-formed mail would be sent to the list address, with the appropriate subject line, correct headers, etc. Since the archives are only accessible via the email address & password, it seems like security should be ok (or at least not any worse than how email is accepted in general). I think something like this might be really good for subscribers who wish to turn off their email and simply monitor the archives - this way they'd have a good way to respond on-list to messages. The "reply to list" function could be switched off if the archived message is more than x-days old. Any ideas or advice on setting something like this up? Thanks. -Steve From cary at dotaku.com Mon Jun 2 15:59:26 2003 From: cary at dotaku.com (Cary) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:59:26 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where are the archives? In-Reply-To: <61CFE1372ED0B844A783C1A26BC5716C090B8B51@evmsmail.evms.edu> Message-ID: <005701c3290f$31f27f50$6701a8c0@archie> I use this one with some success http://msgs.securepoint.com/mailman/ s? > > > As a newbie in the group, I'd like to be able to search the > archives, but the > URL provided in listed messages, > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ produces a Not Found error. Is there actually a usable archive for this list? From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon Jun 2 15:59:40 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 14:59:40 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where are the archives? In-Reply-To: <61CFE1372ED0B844A783C1A26BC5716C090B8B51@evmsmail.evms.edu > Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030602145435.00ac37f8@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 13:22 02/06/2003, McPherson, Dale L. wrote: >As a newbie in the group, I'd like to be able to search the archives, but >the >URL provided in listed messages, > >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > >produces a Not Found error. Is there actually a usable archive for this >list? > > See http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/ but it is not searchable. I'd try using www.google.com with Mailman in the search words and ignore results returned for http://www.mail-archive.com/ which are unreachable at present. http://www.mail-archive.com/ problem is not specific to mailman-users but is due to some unexplained general problem with the site. >Dale M. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From steve.rothman at creo.com Mon Jun 2 16:04:18 2003 From: steve.rothman at creo.com (Steve Rothman) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:04:18 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Other mailman archive questions Message-ID: It doesn't seem like the mailman archives get discussed very much on mailman-users - is there a better forum? I'm curious about all kinds of customization that might be possible. The built-in archives are quite nice but I'm curious to see if they can be made a little more friendly and useful. I almost wonder if they can come close to a "web forum" interface for people that prefer that sort of thing to email. I have used mhonarc a little in the past for a different project. I have to admit, I'm a baby when it comes to either perl or python. (I'm a kindergardener in php.) I'm curious about trying to push the boundaries on how the archives work, and I'm curious if it makes more sense to try and fool around with either the mailman archives or mhonarc on the one hand, or to fool around with setting up an email gateway so that list messages can be automatically posted on some existing web forum system (like phorum or phpbb). Any advice? Thanks much. -Steve From ale at ccuec.unicamp.br Mon Jun 2 16:08:11 2003 From: ale at ccuec.unicamp.br (Alessandro Luiz Petrocino) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 14:08:11 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem - All lists post to MAILMAN administrative Message-ID: <1054562865.1075.21.camel@noronha.ccuec.unicamp.br> Hello, fellows ! First of all, sorry for my terrible english. I'm a brazilian system analist, of State University of Campinas (UNICAMP) Well, let's rock ! :-) I have Mailman v. 2.1.2 + Postfix installed in a server. Well ... when someone post to a list, don't no why the same message is posted to the MAILMAN list (the administrative one, needed to install the Mailman software) Those users are not subscrived in this list, of couse! And they receive administrative messages too. Anyone can solve this ?!? Tks a lot ! From ale at ccuec.unicamp.br Mon Jun 2 16:47:24 2003 From: ale at ccuec.unicamp.br (Alessandro Luiz Petrocino) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 14:47:24 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error - why ?!? Message-ID: <1054565220.1075.44.camel@noronha.ccuec.unicamp.br> Can anyone tell me what this means ?!? [root at vega root]# Traceback (most recent call last): File "/www/ns-home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? main() File "/www/ns-home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main qrunner.run() File "/www/ns-home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run filecnt = self._oneloop() File "/www/ns-home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in _oneloop msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/www/ns-home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 160, in dequeue os.unlink(pckfile) OSError: [Errno 16] Device or resource busy: '/www/ns-home/mailman/qfiles/virgin/1054564372.998621+5869243c5ed943e649c73f66108af41c97c96959.pck' From tobias at kabissa.org Mon Jun 2 16:56:04 2003 From: tobias at kabissa.org (Tobias Eigen) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 09:56:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help! Mailman 2.1.2 problems - posts going out, but errors with scrubber Message-ID: <1054565764.3edb658457565@webmail.kabissa.org> Hello, First: Kudos to Mailman developers. Next: my problem. I upgraded to Mailman 2.1.2 two weeks ago, and it appears to be working perfectly, except that for some reason the last archive messages were written last Tuesday. Even the mbox files have no trace of the messages that have been going out. Can anyone tell me what might be going on? It seems to be related to the scrubber and handling of digests (which are also working fine), but I'm stumped otherwise. Here's a related message from the error log: Jun 02 09:44:19 2003 (8200) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89, in process send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in send_i18n_digests msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 305, in process t = unicode(t, 'ascii', 'replace').encode('ascii') UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128) Jun 02 09:44:19 2003 (8200) SHUNTING: 1054562848.846171+a795f8d96cfc2c49d2b6fb1dbb83e4f74f7623ff I've got the scrubber disabled for archives, and am using mhonarc as external archiver. Mhonarc has been working great for years, and all was fine with archives until last Tuesday. Any thoughts? Best wishes, Tobias -- Tobias Eigen Executive Director Kabissa - Space for change in Africa http://www.kabissa.org TIME TO GET ONLINE Internet Learning materials now online! Go: http://www.ttgo.kabissa.org Contact: ttgo at kabissa.org From joe.hewitt at washburn.edu Mon Jun 2 17:16:06 2003 From: joe.hewitt at washburn.edu (Joe Hewitt) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:16:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] generating archives in Mailman 2.1.1 Message-ID: <001501c32919$e3fa78b0$8709fcc6@washburnlaw.domain> Hi, I've got an mbox about 28MB in size. bin/arch is not generating the index.html for archives properly. Oddly, all other html files look okay. The application does not seem to be substituting the database values into the template. The index.html resulting shows only the variable values like %listname%. Any ideas how to generate the proper index.html file. Thanks, Joe From billd at forest.net Mon Jun 2 17:53:31 2003 From: billd at forest.net (William R. Dickson) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 08:53:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weird lock error In-Reply-To: <1054246343.2651.70.camel@anncons> Message-ID: <5C2C33EC-9512-11D7-8913-00306564BE7C@forest.net> On Thursday, May 29, 2003, at 03:12 PM, Jon Carnes wrote: > > On all my installs, the ~mailman/archives/public/.. files are links > pointing to the ~mailman/archives/private/.. files. Yours appear to be > standalone directories. That was indeed the problem. Thank you! -Bill From jonas at freesources.org Mon Jun 2 18:12:11 2003 From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 18:12:11 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error at runnung checkdbs cronjob Message-ID: <20030602161211.GD4096@freesources.org> Hello, If I run (as user list, the user that runs all the mailman stuff) /usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs, it gives the following error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 174, in ? main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 115, in main mlist.preferred_language) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 206, in __init__ errors='replace') TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'errors' I have no idea what it could be. running 'check_db ' for every list gives no error, and even check_perms runs without problems. any suggestions? bye mejo -- Efficiency and progess is ours one more Now that we have the Neutron bomb It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight From tobias at kabissa.org Mon Jun 2 18:19:24 2003 From: tobias at kabissa.org (Tobias Eigen) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:19:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Follow-up to my archives problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1054570764.3edb790c795b7@webmail.kabissa.org> Hi all, The problem I described earlier with archives not being saved doesn't in fact seem to be related to the error message I sent. I'm continuing to work on this problem (which just cropped up out of nowhere as far as I can tell) so would appreciate any ideas. Cheers, Tobias -- Tobias Eigen Executive Director Kabissa - Space for change in Africa http://www.kabissa.org TIME TO GET ONLINE Internet Learning materials now online! Go: http://www.ttgo.kabissa.org Contact: ttgo at kabissa.org From cody at pinkpc.net Mon Jun 2 18:58:33 2003 From: cody at pinkpc.net (CodyG) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 09:58:33 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] phpnuke? Message-ID: <002201c32928$341751c0$6c164518@earthshine> Is there any way to incorporate Mailman user management, sub/unsub, into a phpnuke module? Thanks. From paul at thcwd.com Mon Jun 2 18:57:59 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 11:57:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Posting to list via mailman archives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030602112639.033f1d30@mail.thcwd.com> Steve wrote: >I'm wondering if anyone has ever set up their mailman archives so >that people can reply to list messages directly from the web page. I >know it would be trivial to add a mailto link to the list address on >the archive html pages, but I'm thinking more like some sort of >script that would not use mailto -- instead it would provide a text >edit box to the user, and when they clicked "send" a well-formed mail >would be sent to the list address, with the appropriate subject line, >correct headers, etc. I'm working on it and am part way there. I'm using Matt's formmail script . The script is set to only accept mail to my server, so I think it's secure. I have private archives, and I pick up the users e-mail with a cookie when they log in. The mail is sent with that e-mail address, so it shows from them on the list, and it is moderated or not depending on how the individual e-mail is flagged. I have not had a chance to dig into it, but I think the subject and quote can be done with information available from mailman. To start with you want Richard Barrett's patch that allows you to use modified templates in $prefix/lists/// Below is what I have in the private.html file. This grabs the user e-mail when they log in: --------------- %(realname)s Private Archives Authentication
%(message)s
%(realname)s Private Archives Authentication
Email address:
Password:

Important: From this point on, you must have cookies enabled in your browser, otherwise no administrative changes will take effect.

Session cookies are used in Mailman's administrative interface so that you don't need to re-authenticate with every administrative operation. This cookie will expire automatically when you exit your browser, or you can explicitly expire the cookie by hitting the Logout link under Other Administrative Activities (which you'll see once you successfully log in).

--------------- Copy article.html from templates into $prefix/lists/// and make what ever changes you want to add a link to the posting form on the bottom of each archived post. I did: Reply Then in $prefix/archives/private/ I have the following webpost.shtml: ------------------ Web Posting Form

Click here to log out.


Post from web form for Mailman.


    This form now takes the "from" e-mail from a cookie that is formed when the e-mail and password are entered!!

Subject:
Content:

 




------------- This is rough, and still has some working notes imbedded in it, but it should get you going. Contact me off list if you need to. And if you have any ideas on picking up subject and quote let me know. <>< Paul From programs at ntgts.org Sun Jun 1 05:27:05 2003 From: programs at ntgts.org (programs at ntgts.org) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 22:27:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List features Message-ID: We just set up and configured several email lists. However, we are not getting our test emails that were sent out to test the HTML and other features. We reviewed carefully the settings for each list, however, we do not understand why we are not getting any email confirmations back. We also sent out an email with an attachment and it never came through nor bounced back as undeliverable. It was not blocked as well. Any feedback would be appreciated? Thanks. From Dan at AngelFireResort.com Mon Jun 2 19:25:38 2003 From: Dan at AngelFireResort.com (Dan Jones) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:25:38 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding Html Footer Message-ID: <58F4EC657CBBD6119E490090279C371E74189F@ATLAS> I am having trouble with the footer being added to html email. When I send a message to my test list in text format the footer is added correctly When I send an html email the footer is added as an attachment. Is there something in the mm_cfg that needs to be added or should the footer be formated as html? Dan Jones Angel Fire Resort Angel Fire, NM 87710 505-377-4340 Dan at angelfireresort.com From admin2 at enabled.com Mon Jun 2 19:35:09 2003 From: admin2 at enabled.com (admin) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 09:35:09 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] digest message count Message-ID: <20030602173509.M17692@enabled.com> Hi, I am seeing some mail lists handled by mailman with a message count in the subject line accompanying the digest message. My digest mailings do not have these details. How do I add them? Here is an example of the subject: digest, Vol 1 #2186 - 13 msgs ^^^^^^^^ message count - Noah From dlane at ap.stmarys.ca Mon Jun 2 20:44:26 2003 From: dlane at ap.stmarys.ca (Dave Lane) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:44:26 -0300 (ADT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] V2.1 breaks virtual hosting? Message-ID: (Sorry if this is an FAQ, but without a search function in the archives, its hopeless to find anything except by hit and miss.) I've been running V2.0 of mailman for a while now very sucessfully with a few lists on the same address as the server machine and many lists on three different virtual domains. All works well. I tried to upgrade to V2.1 back in February, but it was such a disaster that I had to fall back to V2.0 (which I had tarballed before starting the upgrade). Today I thought I would try again -- this time by doing a separate installation: different mailman username and directory, different web site address, etc. I then started to move the lists over one-by-one, but the first list didn't work. What I've determined is: Lists native to the machine seem to work fine. A virtual list receives mail on the virtual domain address and sends out mail from the native address fine. As soon as I change the "Host name this list prefers for email setting" to the virtual address, the list becomes a black hole. Send mail to it and nothing happens (no list mail nor any bounce messages). Does anyone have any idea what is happening? ... Dave ps. the O/S is Solaris 7 MTA is sendmail 8.12.9 the mm_cfg.py is (with domain names edited): DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'native.stmarys.ca' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'native.stmarys.ca' DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mm21/' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, 'lists.domain1.ca') add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, 'lists.domain2.ca') From dlane at ap.stmarys.ca Mon Jun 2 20:52:29 2003 From: dlane at ap.stmarys.ca (Dave Lane) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:52:29 -0300 (ADT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] V2.1 breaks virtual hosting? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Dave Lane wrote: > As soon as I change the "Host name this list prefers for email > setting" to the virtual address, the list becomes a black hole. Send mail > to it and nothing happens (no list mail nor any bounce messages). One thing I forgot to mention was that meanwhile the virtual hosted V2.0-run lists continue to run as happy as a clam. Again, thanks for any help. I'd really like to use V2.1 to benefit from some of the many enhancements...Dave From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon Jun 2 21:03:27 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 20:03:27 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] V2.1 breaks virtual hosting? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030602195755.0399ee80@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 19:44 02/06/2003, Dave Lane wrote: >(Sorry if this is an FAQ, but without a search function in the archives, >its hopeless to find anything except by hit and miss.) > >I've been running V2.0 of mailman for a while now very sucessfully with a >few lists on the same address as the server machine and many lists on >three different virtual domains. All works well. > >I tried to upgrade to V2.1 back in February, but it was such a disaster >that I had to fall back to V2.0 (which I had tarballed before starting the >upgrade). > >Today I thought I would try again -- this time by doing a separate >installation: different mailman username and directory, different web site >address, etc. I then started to move the lists over one-by-one, but the >first list didn't work. > >What I've determined is: > >Lists native to the machine seem to work fine. A virtual list >receives mail on the virtual domain address and sends out mail from >the native address fine. > >As soon as I change the "Host name this list prefers for email >setting" to the virtual address, the list becomes a black hole. Send mail >to it and nothing happens (no list mail nor any bounce messages). > >Does anyone have any idea what is happening? > >... Dave > >ps. the O/S is Solaris 7 > MTA is sendmail 8.12.9 > >the mm_cfg.py is (with domain names edited): > >DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'native.stmarys.ca' >DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'native.stmarys.ca' >DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mm21/' >add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) >add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, 'lists.domain1.ca') >add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, 'lists.domain2.ca') The add_virtualhost calls insert key/values into a dictionary. The key is the first parameter to the add_virtualhost call and the value is the second parameter. You are not generating three entries in the dictionary with your add_virtualhost calls. The effect is as if the first two were not made and the only virtual host you are defining is the last one. This might be part of your problem. >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From nw7us at hfradio.org Mon Jun 2 21:43:26 2003 From: nw7us at hfradio.org (Tomas (NW7US)) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 12:43:26 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with Configuration / mailpasswds Message-ID: Hello. I am tring to resolve the following error. I cannot seem to find where I have an error. The Defaults.py file has the DEFAULT_HOST and variations set to hfradio.org - so why is host_name causing an error? All other functions seem to work correctly (I do have several lists on two domains). It is only this function, mailing out the passwords, that gives an error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "./mailpasswds", line 218, in ? main() File "./mailpasswds", line 210, in main msg.send(sitelist, **{'errorsto': sitebounce, File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 221, in send self['Message-ID'] = Utils.unique_message_id(mlist) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 634, in unique_message_id msgid = '' % ( File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 130, in __getattr__ raise AttributeError, name AttributeError: host_name Thanks, 73 de Tomas, NW7US (AAR0JA/AAM0EWA) -- : Propagation Editor, CQ/PopComm Magazines : http://hfradio.org/ : : Brinnon, Washington 122.93W 47.67N : CW SSB DIGITAL DX-Hunting : : A creator of solutions -- http://accessnow.com/ -- Perl Rules! : : Washington State MARS Emergency Operations Officer - (AAM0EWA) : : WA State Army MARS Webmaster for http://wa.mars.hfradio.org/ : : 10x56526, FISTS 7055, FISTS NW 57, A.R. Lighthouse Society 144 : From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net Mon Jun 2 20:16:52 2003 From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 11:16:52 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Where are the archives? References: <61CFE1372ED0B844A783C1A26BC5716C090B8B51@evmsmail.evms.edu> Message-ID: <3EDB9494.7010608@users.sourceforge.net> Dan Phillips wrote: > From the Mail-Archive home page: > >> June 2, 2003 >> >> Mail-Archive is experiencing technical problems, all archives are >> temporarily offline and are being actively restored from backup. >> Because of the very large volume of data, this process takes a long >> time - multiple days so far, and possible a few more are required. >> Thank you for your patience. Dan, While the Mail-Archive is off-line, GMANE is still available. GMANE nntp.gmane.org - gmane.mail.mailman.user http://news.gmane.org/thread.php?group=gmane.mail.mailman.user -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs From wheakory at isu.edu Mon Jun 2 22:36:08 2003 From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 14:36:08 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Global user tool Message-ID: <3EDBB538.2060409@isu.edu> Is there some kind of administrator login I can use to manage subscriptions ... we have so many listservs that adding and removing subscriptions by list is a big hassle - it would be easier if I could manage subscriptions by user name rather by list. -- Kory Wheatley Academic Computing Analyst Sr. Phone 282-3874 ######################################### Everything must point to him. From chasm at texas.net Mon Jun 2 22:53:18 2003 From: chasm at texas.net (schuetzen) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 15:53:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Where are the archives? In-Reply-To: <3EDB9494.7010608@users.sourceforge.net> References: <61CFE1372ED0B844A783C1A26BC5716C090B8B51@evmsmail.evms.edu> <3EDB9494.7010608@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 11:16:52 -0700, you wrote: >Dan Phillips wrote: >> From the Mail-Archive home page: >> >>> June 2, 2003 >>> >>> Mail-Archive is experiencing technical problems, all archives are >>> temporarily offline and are being actively restored from backup. >>> Because of the very large volume of data, this process takes a long >>> time - multiple days so far, and possible a few more are required. >>> Thank you for your patience. idle curiosity, but how large is the archive holding for (I assume) this list? iow, are you sure that the restore is still working if it takes this long and it still is not finished? the point is, should we as Mailman list owners not consider using an offsite storage like eScribe to store the archives if they are going to take this long to restore? aamof, how long does a full backup take? or are you just doing incrementals and have never done a full backup? not trying to kick anyone here, just trying to understand what I can expect with my own lists? and so far, this software is definitely beta at best. fwiw chas From chasm at texas.net Mon Jun 2 22:55:42 2003 From: chasm at texas.net (schuetzen) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 15:55:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Global user tool In-Reply-To: <3EDBB538.2060409@isu.edu> References: <3EDBB538.2060409@isu.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 14:36:08 -0600, you wrote: >Is there some kind of administrator login I can use to manage >subscriptions ... we have so many listservs that adding and removing >subscriptions by list is a big hassle - it would be easier if I could >manage subscriptions by user name rather by list. easier would be a single member database for all the lists, thus allowing changes on the ONE database. lacking that, a little easier would be email changes to the database to allow the user to make his changes. fwiw chas -- powered by Linux, Suse 8.2 Pro + Agent under Wine emulator Charles L Hamilton, Houston, TX chasm @ texas. net www.schuetzen.net From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net Mon Jun 2 23:23:23 2003 From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 14:23:23 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Where are the archives? References: <61CFE1372ED0B844A783C1A26BC5716C090B8B51@evmsmail.evms.edu> <3EDB9494.7010608@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <3EDBC04B.3000401@users.sourceforge.net> schuetzen wrote: > On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 11:16:52 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote: >>Dan Phillips wrote: >>> From the Mail-Archive home page: >>>>June 2, 2003 >>>>Mail-Archive is experiencing technical problems, all archives are >>>>temporarily offline and are being actively restored from backup. >>>>Because of the very large volume of data, this process takes a long >>>>time - multiple days so far, and possible a few more are required. >>>>Thank you for your patience. > > idle curiosity, but how large is the archive holding for (I assume) this list? > iow, are you sure that the restore is still working if it takes this long and it > still is not finished? > > the point is, should we as Mailman list owners not consider using an offsite > storage like eScribe to store the archives if they are going to take this long > to restore? aamof, how long does a full backup take? or are you just doing > incrementals and have never done a full backup? Chas, The internal Mailman archiver is Pipermail. The Mail-Archive is not part of Mailman. It's a mailing list archival service provided for free. It will handle archival of almost any list management software (Mailman, Majordomo, etc.). GMANE and MARC also provide mailing list archival services. http://gmane.org/ http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/ -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs From godoy at ieee.org Mon Jun 2 23:43:16 2003 From: godoy at ieee.org (Jorge Godoy) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:43:16 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding content filters. Message-ID: Hi! Is there any documentation on how can I add some content filters to mailing lists? I'd like to have some lists filtered with rules we created while other lists should be completely free... These rules include, e.g., a badwords list and a quotation ratio filter. We already have the filters implemented as shell scripts --- the list was run with ezmlm before --- but I can convert those to Python if needed. TIA, -- Godoy. From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Jun 3 00:20:55 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:20:55 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Where are the archives? In-Reply-To: References: <3EDB9494.7010608@users.sourceforge.net> <61CFE1372ED0B844A783C1A26BC5716C090B8B51@evmsmail.evms.edu> <3EDB9494.7010608@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030602230128.03e08c30@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 21:53 02/06/2003, schuetzen wrote: >On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 11:16:52 -0700, you wrote: > > >Dan Phillips wrote: > >> From the Mail-Archive home page: > >> > >>> June 2, 2003 > >>> > >>> Mail-Archive is experiencing technical problems, all archives are > >>> temporarily offline and are being actively restored from backup. > >>> Because of the very large volume of data, this process takes a long > >>> time - multiple days so far, and possible a few more are required. > >>> Thank you for your patience. > >idle curiosity, but how large is the archive holding for (I assume) this list? >iow, are you sure that the restore is still working if it takes this long >and it >still is not finished? > >the point is, should we as Mailman list owners not consider using an offsite >storage like eScribe to store the archives if they are going to take this long >to restore? aamof, how long does a full backup take? or are you just doing >incrementals and have never done a full backup? This IS an "off-site" archive and http://www.mail-archive.com/ returns the following content: June 2, 2003 Mail-Archive is experiencing technical problems, all archives are temporarily offline and are being actively restored from backup. Because of the very large volume of data, this process takes a long time - multiple days so far, and possible a few more are required. Thank you for your patience. Jeff Breidenbach jeff at jab.org This is not a Mailman issue per se. The standard archive is still available at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/ That just does not have a built in search faciltity. >not trying to kick anyone here, just trying to understand what I can >expect with >my own lists? and so far, this software is definitely beta at best. In that case submit some patches or quit bitching. There are already too many spectators and too few players. I am kicking. I have been publishing and maintaining patches to integrate htdig search with MM since MM 2.0.6 and none of the MM support lists use the facility. When I asked thru this list how many people used the patches I got 3 replies; so obviously not many sites need searchable Mailman archives. All users please note that MM 2.1.3 is the last version of MM for which I shall be publishing revisions of the #444884 patch. I will make one last effort to publish a generic version of the htdig integration patch which provides a framework for integrating other search engiones. Then I give up. Life is too short to continue pushing this particular rope uphill. >fwiw >chas > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From paul at thcwd.com Tue Jun 3 01:33:48 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:33:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sorry about that (WAS: Posting to list via mailman archives) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030602181406.03431f40@mail.thcwd.com> I really should have know better than to send html code in my e-mail. Sorry for messing up the digest and all that. The information and code is now at <>< Paul From dallas at dreamhost.com Tue Jun 3 01:47:05 2003 From: dallas at dreamhost.com (Dallas Bethune) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 16:47:05 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Where are the archives? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030602230128.03e08c30@mail.openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: On 6/2/03 3:20pm, "Richard Barrett" wrote: > I am kicking. I have been publishing and maintaining patches to integrate > htdig search with MM since MM 2.0.6 and none of the MM support lists use > the facility. When I asked thru this list how many people used the patches > I got 3 replies; so obviously not many sites need searchable Mailman archives. > > All users please note that MM 2.1.3 is the last version of MM for which I > shall be publishing revisions of the #444884 patch. I will make one last > effort to publish a generic version of the htdig integration patch which > provides a framework for integrating other search engiones. Then I give up. > Life is too short to continue pushing this particular rope uphill. > Oh no! I just started using the htdig integration on one small list last week. I am now considering adding it to the rest of our 4000+ hosted mailman lists as we make the migration to MM 2.1 (still at 2.0.x now). Can your mind be changed? I think maybe one of the reasons more people are not using the patches is just the fact that a lot of the installs out there are done from rpm's or debs instead of from source. If you don't install from source, it's a lot less obvious how to use the patches (if it's even possible). Don't take that as a sign that your patches are unappreciated! Dallas From mark at pdc-racing.net Tue Jun 3 01:57:52 2003 From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 16:57:52 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTDIG patches! Arghh! In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030602230128.03e08c30@mail.openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: Richard Barrett at r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk wrote: > I am kicking. I have been publishing and maintaining patches to integrate > htdig search with MM since MM 2.0.6 and none of the MM support lists use > the facility. When I asked thru this list how many people used the patches > I got 3 replies; so obviously not many sites need searchable Mailman archives. > > All users please note that MM 2.1.3 is the last version of MM for which I > shall be publishing revisions of the #444884 patch. I will make one last > effort to publish a generic version of the htdig integration patch which > provides a framework for integrating other search engiones. Then I give up. > Life is too short to continue pushing this particular rope uphill. Aieeee! No! Say it isn't so! These patches are critical for me. Sigh. I've said it before (recently) and I'll say it again - these patches should be integrated into the main Mailman tree. They are That Good. Thank you, Richard, for maintaining them as long as you have. Now, is there any way we can talk you into continuing? :) - Mark -- mark at pdc-racing.net From paul at thcwd.com Tue Jun 3 04:29:38 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 21:29:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: HTDIG patches! Arghh! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030602212535.03498f08@mail.thcwd.com> Richard Barrett wrote: >I have been publishing and maintaining patches to integrate > htdig search with MM since MM 2.0.6 and none of the MM support lists use > the facility. When I asked thru this list how many people used the patches > I got 3 replies; so obviously not many sites need searchable Mailman > archives. > > All users please note that MM 2.1.3 is the last version of MM for which I > shall be publishing revisions of the #444884 patch. I will make one last > effort to publish a generic version of the htdig integration patch which > provides a framework for integrating other search engiones. Then I give up. > Life is too short to continue pushing this particular rope uphill. I have not done it yet, but it's on my list of things to do before I transfer my lists. If you apply the "one response equals 50 actually users" rule it's not too bad. and Mark said: > I've said it before (recently) and I'll say it again - these patches should >be integrated into the main Mailman tree. They are That Good. I'll second that. <>< Paul From gour at mail.inet.hr Tue Jun 3 13:37:14 2003 From: gour at mail.inet.hr (Gour) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:37:14 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTDIG patches! Arghh! In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030602230128.03e08c30@mail.openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030603113714.GA15736@mail.inet.hr> Mark Dadgar (mark at pdc-racing.net) wrote: > I've said it before (recently) and I'll say it again - these patches should > be integrated into the main Mailman tree. They are That Good. I'm also wondering why these patches are not integrated into the main tree. Mailman without search capabilites loses much of its functionality, especially since thereis no easy mechanism for integrating and automating it with something else, like htdig patches. Pls. Richard, try to continue. Sincerely, Gour -- Gour gour at mail.inet.hr Registered Linux User #278493 From adaml at jbase.com Tue Jun 3 15:52:02 2003 From: adaml at jbase.com (Adam Lipson) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:52:02 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTDIG patches! Arghh! Message-ID: I do have to say thank you for writing and maintaining the patches as I am trying to figure out how to integrate Mailman with HTdig as we speak. The problem I have run into is that I can't find documentation on how install the patch with the RPM version of mailman. I have searched thru the archives on gmane.org and google groups to figure out how to use them with the RPM and unfortunately can't find an answer. Can someone point me to a URL for this? Also, another topic, but when one BCC's the list why don't the footers appear on the bottom of the email? I am against BCCing a list, but someone did and it appeared as if the footer was not there. Is this a known issue or is something in my config wrong? Regards, Adam -----Original Message----- From: Gour [mailto:gour at mail.inet.hr] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 7:37 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] HTDIG patches! Arghh! Mark Dadgar (mark at pdc-racing.net) wrote: > I've said it before (recently) and I'll say it again - these patches should > be integrated into the main Mailman tree. They are That Good. I'm also wondering why these patches are not integrated into the main tree. Mailman without search capabilites loses much of its functionality, especially since thereis no easy mechanism for integrating and automating it with something else, like htdig patches. Pls. Richard, try to continue. Sincerely, Gour -- Gour gour at mail.inet.hr Registered Linux User #278493 ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: adaml at jbase.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/adaml%40jbase.com From nb at cisto.com Tue Jun 3 18:34:49 2003 From: nb at cisto.com (Norbert Bollow) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 18:34:49 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTDIG patches! Arghh! In-Reply-To: (message from Mark Dadgar on Mon, 02 Jun 2003 16:57:52 -0700) References: Message-ID: <20030603163449.6B75A38C85@quill.cisto.com> Richard Barrett at r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk wrote: > > All users please note that MM 2.1.3 is the last version of MM for which I > > shall be publishing revisions of the #444884 patch. I will make one last > > effort to publish a generic version of the htdig integration patch which > > provides a framework for integrating other search engiones. Then I give up. > > Life is too short to continue pushing this particular rope uphill. Mark Dadgar wrote: > Aieeee! No! Say it isn't so! > > These patches are critical for me. Sigh. They're important for me too... if no-one else wants to pick up the ball, I'll take over maintenace of these patches. Greetings, Norbert. -- Founder & Steering Committee member of http://gnu.org/projects/dotgnu/ Free Software Business Strategy Guide ---> http://FreeStrategy.info Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet (near Zurich, Switzerland) Tel +41 1 972 20 59 Fax +41 1 972 20 69 http://norbert.ch From marena at magnatechonline.com Mon Jun 2 19:57:43 2003 From: marena at magnatechonline.com (Michael Arena) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 13:57:43 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Firewall/Posting Issue on RH7 and Exim Message-ID: <000c01c32930$77d93b00$0f01a8c0@magnatechonline.com> Hello all, I want to add posts from inside my firewall, no posts will be coming from outside the firewall. How would I make a posting to the list internally? Would it be the same procedure as if the address was from outside the firewall (setup account, subscribe/send posts to it)? Is there a web interface to add posts to the lists? Thanks in advance for any help you can give, Mike From ted at chicagohumanist.org Sun Jun 1 23:19:18 2003 From: ted at chicagohumanist.org (Ted Ernst) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 16:19:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] search list of subscribers? Message-ID: I am a list administrator, but don't really know much about how mailman works. I can find a particular user if I know his/her email address by looking in the alphabetical list of subscribers, but how do I search for everyone from a particular domain, for example? peace, ted ___ Humanize the Earth! http://www.chicagohumanist.org http://www.tedernst.com From dhawn at hawn.org Tue Jun 3 08:23:53 2003 From: dhawn at hawn.org (Drew Hawn) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] -request address not working Message-ID: This is a basic question, I apologize, but the searchable archives don't seem to be working and I've spent quite some time doing google searches and looking through the archives. I really would appreciate some help, or a pointer in the right direction. I have recently installed mailman and am having problems with the -request address. I am using Postfix and have the following aliases entered: listname: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post listname" listname-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner listname" listname-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd listname" listname-owner: listname-admin I have also changed the main.cf config file in Postfix to allow mail_to_commands and mail_to_files I have reloaded Postfix and sent a newaliases command. When messages to go the listname-request address, the mail is sent to the list owner and the requestor receives nothing. From trainingnetwork at mail.com Tue Jun 3 14:51:36 2003 From: trainingnetwork at mail.com (System Administrator) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 07:51:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Removal Options Message-ID: <20030603125138.4416.qmail@mail.com> I am sorry if this has already been answered - the searchable archive is down. Is there anyway to: 1) download my current member list to a text file or something similar? or 2) perform a mass removal based on wildcards? Basically, what I am trying to do is removal all members from my list in one or two actions. I do not own the box that mailman is on, so I am merely a list/site admin. Thanks- Steve -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From help at cube.quality.org Tue Jun 3 15:59:40 2003 From: help at cube.quality.org (help at cube.quality.org) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 06:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: cron Message-ID: I'm a newbie, so please don't flame me. Two queries: 1. What should my crontab look like? What jobs should it be running and how often? 2. My lists are (nominally) working, but when I send a message out, it gets stopped to wait for moderator approval. But, when I go into the administrative interface and click on "tend to moderator tasks", there's no messages waiting for approval. How do I resolve this? Please respond directly. Thanks. Bill From francois.leclair at rbr.ca Tue Jun 3 16:27:00 2003 From: francois.leclair at rbr.ca (Francois Leclair) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:27:00 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Replacing attachments by URL Message-ID: <20030603142700.QHEW18740.tomts26-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.135]> Hi, Is there a way when subscribers sends an attachement, to remove the attachement from the mail itself and replace it with a URL. I would like to place all attachement on my Web server and let text only on my Mailman server. Thanks in advance, Francois From adaml at jbase.com Tue Jun 3 16:32:33 2003 From: adaml at jbase.com (Adam Lipson) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:32:33 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] search list of subscribers? Message-ID: Ted, There is a script at least in my /var/mailman/bin called find_user just type in the domain and it will list all the users and what groups they are in. IE ./find_user domain.com will work like a charm. Adam -----Original Message----- From: Ted Ernst [mailto:ted at chicagohumanist.org] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 5:19 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] search list of subscribers? I am a list administrator, but don't really know much about how mailman works. I can find a particular user if I know his/her email address by looking in the alphabetical list of subscribers, but how do I search for everyone from a particular domain, for example? peace, ted ___ Humanize the Earth! http://www.chicagohumanist.org http://www.tedernst.com ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: adaml at jbase.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/adaml%40jbase.com From huston at astro.princeton.edu Tue Jun 3 16:41:59 2003 From: huston at astro.princeton.edu (Steve Huston) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:41:59 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTDIG patches! Arghh! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <88541B2C-95D1-11D7-BAC1-000393B60E0A@astro.princeton.edu> On Monday, Jun 2, 2003, at 19:57 US/Eastern, Mark Dadgar wrote: > Richard Barrett at r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk wrote: >> I am kicking. I have been publishing and maintaining patches to >> integrate >> htdig search with MM since MM 2.0.6 and none of the MM support lists >> use >> the facility. When I asked thru this list how many people used the >> patches >> I got 3 replies; so obviously not many sites need searchable Mailman >> archives. >> >> All users please note that MM 2.1.3 is the last version of MM for >> which I >> shall be publishing revisions of the #444884 patch. I will make one >> last >> effort to publish a generic version of the htdig integration patch >> which >> provides a framework for integrating other search engiones. Then I >> give up. >> Life is too short to continue pushing this particular rope uphill. > Aieeee! No! Say it isn't so! > These patches are critical for me. Sigh. They are for me too; while we don't have a lot of lists, one of the major points that was brought up by the users here is that the software has to have searchable archives, and these patches were one of the reasons I chose Mailman over any other package (very little work to get a full install with the htdig interaction running). Had I seen a mail asking about how many people use the patches I would've certainly raised a hand. > I've said it before (recently) and I'll say it again - these patches > should > be integrated into the main Mailman tree. They are That Good. I'll second (or by now third or fourth) this motion as well. I'm not sure of the reason why they're not included, but considering your excellent work in keeping up with the patches I haven't seen it as a problem. If you're moving away from them, this will be a problem (unless I don't find any need to upgrade the system until someone else picks up the torch). > Thank you, Richard, for maintaining them as long as you have. Definitely. > Now, is there any way we can talk you into continuing? :) ...if you can keep your sanity in the process. I know what it's like when you just want to get away from something you wrote before (google for "megahal eggdrop"... I still can't escape that one, and haven't even been on IRC in over 4 years :P) I can understand if you want to walk away from the patches because you're just tired of maintaining them, just know that there are a lot of people who love them and use them, so don't throw in the towel because you think they're not appreciated. -- Steve Huston - Unix Systems Admin, Dept. of Astrophysical Sciences Princeton University | ICBM Address: 40.346525 -74.651285 126 Peyton Hall |"On my ship, the Rocinante, wheeling through Princeton, NJ 08544 | the galaxies; headed for the heart of Cygnus, (609) 258-7375 | headlong into mystery." -Rush, 'Cygnus X-1' From ale at ccuec.unicamp.br Tue Jun 3 16:42:40 2003 From: ale at ccuec.unicamp.br (Alessandro Luiz Petrocino) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 14:42:40 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Mailman error - why ?!?] Message-ID: <1054651331.2684.49.camel@noronha.ccuec.unicamp.br> Sending again ... -----Forwarded Message----- > From: Alessandro Luiz Petrocino > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Mailman error - why ?!? > Date: 02 Jun 2003 11:47:01 -0300 > Can anyone tell me what this means ?!? [root at vega root]# Traceback (most recent call last): File "/www/ns-home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? main() File "/www/ns-home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main qrunner.run() File "/www/ns-home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run filecnt = self._oneloop() File "/www/ns-home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in _oneloop msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/www/ns-home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 160, in dequeue os.unlink(pckfile) OSError: [Errno 16] Device or resource busy: '/www/ns-home/mailman/qfiles/virgin/1054564372.998621+5869243c5ed943e649c73f66108af41c97c96959.pck' From ale at ccuec.unicamp.br Tue Jun 3 16:43:24 2003 From: ale at ccuec.unicamp.br (Alessandro Luiz Petrocino) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 14:43:24 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Mailman problem - All lists post to MAILMAN administrative] Message-ID: <1054651379.2684.51.camel@noronha.ccuec.unicamp.br> Sending again ... can anyone help me, please ?!? Hello, fellows ! First of all, sorry for my terrible english. I'm a brazilian system analist, of State University of Campinas (UNICAMP) Well, let's rock ! :-) I have Mailman v. 2.1.2 + Postfix installed in a server. Well ... when someone post to a list, don't no why the same message is posted to the MAILMAN list (the administrative one, needed to install the Mailman software) Those users are not subscrived in this list, of couse! And they receive administrative messages too. Anyone can solve this ?!? Tks a lot ! From dave at casapetro.net Tue Jun 3 17:05:24 2003 From: dave at casapetro.net (Dave Petro) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 08:05:24 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] search list of subscribers? Message-ID: <3EDCB934.1040302@casapetro.net> Use the find member command. ~mailman/bin/find_member somedomain Dave Petro From rberber at legosoft.com.mx Tue Jun 3 17:05:53 2003 From: rberber at legosoft.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?Ren=E9_Berber?=) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 10:05:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Datestamp in archives? Message-ID: <192a7ec862a757f81838b00f22f087af@alaska1> Hello, Does anybody know how to add a date in the subject of the archives? I found no option and no patches to do that so I'm now looking for the particular piece of code that creates the subject list. Any pointers will be appreciated. -- Ren? Berber P.S. I'm also a happy user of the htDig patch, good work Richard Barrett! From mailman at chevron9.sil.at Tue Jun 3 17:25:22 2003 From: mailman at chevron9.sil.at (Gerfried Fuchs) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 17:25:22 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wishlist and maybe problem solution Message-ID: <20030603152522.GA29801@chevron9.sil.at> Hi! Mailman is great, mailman is good, all hail mailman :) I have to administer a mailing list for which a special requirement was requested: It will be a moderated list where only special people might be able to send mails through. All these mails should have the same From: header, so I thought using the ?anonymous_list? might be a good idea -- but I don't see any chance to specify what mailman will put in there. It simply always puts listname at hostname.domain in there, which is someone we would like to change. Is there a posibility to make this configureable in future versions? I guess this could be quite helpful for others, too. Along the same lines, might it be possible to have an option to rewrite the To: header, too? It should become a more or less "hidden" setup here, so that could be of help. There is one thing that I like to question: The envelope-sender is set to the -bounce address. From my understanding it must be sufficient to set the Return-Path header to the -bounce address for it to work correctly. The reason why I question this is that there are some mail servers/clients (especially lotus notes) that display something like this: |From: [listname-bounce at hostname.domain] on behalf of [real.sender at domain] (or something along these lines, I was just told about the german string that is in between). This doesn't look quite nice and is afaik not needed, for the only header used for bounce messages must be return-path anyway. If these things aren't that easy to change (I would be pleased if someone can send me a patch over, for I'm not that well in python (or rather baaad)), can someone tell me if there is a way to tweak sendmail to change this? I guess I shouldn't be the first to be faced with this problem, so some might already have found a solution for this in sendmail on their own. Otherwise I'd have to use a private mailing-skript in the meantime that allows me to set the headers on my own, and set just the return-path to the -bounce address to get into the benefit of the bounce control mailman does. It's just these special requirements in this case... Btw., I do love mailman, did I mention that already? alfie From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Jun 3 17:28:39 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 16:28:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTDIG patches! Arghh! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030603150650.040cec80@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 14:52 03/06/2003, Adam Lipson wrote: >I do have to say thank you for writing and maintaining the patches as I am >trying to figure out how to integrate Mailman with HTdig as we speak. The >problem I have run into is that I can't find documentation on how install >the patch with the RPM version of mailman. I have searched thru the >archives on gmane.org and google groups to figure out how to use them with >the RPM and unfortunately can't find an answer. Can someone point me to a >URL for this? Assuming MM 2.1.2 in what follows. It is nearly but not quite possible to construct a version of the #444884 Mailman-htdig patch which can be applied to Mailman after it has been installed rather than applying the patch to the MM build directory before configuring and installing MM. There are some minor bits of untidyness which would require hand fettling (path to python in the #! line of some added scripts, a directory to create and such) but nothing too difficult. However, there is one difficulty which I cannot see a simple way around; the Mailman-htdig patch installs two additional cgi scripts, htdig.py and mmsearch.py, and I cannot see any simple way of generating the compiled C wrappers for these cgi scripts unless this is done when building MM from source. While I am generally quite happy to use RPMs I find that installing MM from source is so easy that I always do that for preference. I certainly will not stick solely to RPMs if that gets in the way of achieving the objective. Can I tempt you to trying this approach? >Also, another topic, but when one BCC's the list why don't the footers >appear on the bottom of the email? I am against BCCing a list, but someone >did and it appeared as if the footer was not there. Is this a known issue >or is something in my config wrong? I cannot reproduce this problem. If I Bcc one of my test lists and then approve the post (because the test list is not in the To or Cc header) the posting is distributed normally. >Regards, >Adam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From adaml at jbase.com Tue Jun 3 17:37:24 2003 From: adaml at jbase.com (Adam Lipson) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:37:24 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTDIG patches! Arghh! Message-ID: Thanks for the reply. I tried to install from the source and somehow just kept on screwing up the install so the RPM worked and I used it. Redoing it now would be a real pain. I can definitely appreciate that installing from source is the best way to install it just was not working for me. If you have a great suggestion as to how to reinstall this easily I am all ears, but I guess otherwise will wait for the next rpm to upgrade and suffer thru that upgrade process. as per the bcc I guess it is just a quirk of my install. I had to approve the post, but then the footers did not appear. Oh well, there are worse things in life. Adam -----Original Message----- From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 11:29 AM To: Adam Lipson Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] HTDIG patches! Arghh! At 14:52 03/06/2003, Adam Lipson wrote: >I do have to say thank you for writing and maintaining the patches as I am >trying to figure out how to integrate Mailman with HTdig as we speak. The >problem I have run into is that I can't find documentation on how install >the patch with the RPM version of mailman. I have searched thru the >archives on gmane.org and google groups to figure out how to use them with >the RPM and unfortunately can't find an answer. Can someone point me to a >URL for this? Assuming MM 2.1.2 in what follows. It is nearly but not quite possible to construct a version of the #444884 Mailman-htdig patch which can be applied to Mailman after it has been installed rather than applying the patch to the MM build directory before configuring and installing MM. There are some minor bits of untidyness which would require hand fettling (path to python in the #! line of some added scripts, a directory to create and such) but nothing too difficult. However, there is one difficulty which I cannot see a simple way around; the Mailman-htdig patch installs two additional cgi scripts, htdig.py and mmsearch.py, and I cannot see any simple way of generating the compiled C wrappers for these cgi scripts unless this is done when building MM from source. While I am generally quite happy to use RPMs I find that installing MM from source is so easy that I always do that for preference. I certainly will not stick solely to RPMs if that gets in the way of achieving the objective. Can I tempt you to trying this approach? >Also, another topic, but when one BCC's the list why don't the footers >appear on the bottom of the email? I am against BCCing a list, but someone >did and it appeared as if the footer was not there. Is this a known issue >or is something in my config wrong? I cannot reproduce this problem. If I Bcc one of my test lists and then approve the post (because the test list is not in the To or Cc header) the posting is distributed normally. >Regards, >Adam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk Tue Jun 3 17:41:01 2003 From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 15:41:01 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTDIG patches! Arghh! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1054654858.15543.135.camel@angua.localnet> On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 14:52, Adam Lipson wrote: > I am trying to figure out how to integrate Mailman with HTdig as we > speak. The problem I have run into is that I can't find documentation > on how install the patch with the RPM version of mailman. I have > searched thru the archives on gmane.org and google groups to figure > out how to use them with the RPM and unfortunately can't find an > answer. Can someone point me to a URL for this? Get the source rpm for mailman, install that, edit the spec file - add the patch to the header section and patch it in in the %prep section. Modify the release number or maybe the name (if you don't want any autoupdater to wreck things for you). Rebuild the rpm. Be aware that there are problems with the mailman rpm build process which increase the risks of it trashing things on an upgrade. If you have a non-rpm install do not move to an rpm install unless you *really* know what you are doing and check all the paths and uids. Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Jun 3 17:44:15 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 16:44:15 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTDIG patches reprieved (was HTDIG patches! Arghh!) In-Reply-To: <88541B2C-95D1-11D7-BAC1-000393B60E0A@astro.princeton.edu> References: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030603163828.048cb980@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 15:41 03/06/2003, Steve Huston wrote: >On Monday, Jun 2, 2003, at 19:57 US/Eastern, Mark Dadgar wrote: >>Richard Barrett at r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk wrote: >>>I am kicking. I have been publishing and maintaining patches to integrate >>>htdig search with MM since MM 2.0.6 and none of the MM support lists use >>>the facility. When I asked thru this list how many people used the patches >>>I got 3 replies; so obviously not many sites need searchable Mailman >>>archives. >>> >>>All users please note that MM 2.1.3 is the last version of MM for which I >>>shall be publishing revisions of the #444884 patch. I will make one last >>>effort to publish a generic version of the htdig integration patch which >>>provides a framework for integrating other search engiones. Then I give up. >>>Life is too short to continue pushing this particular rope uphill. >>Aieeee! No! Say it isn't so! >>These patches are critical for me. Sigh. > >They are for me too; while we don't have a lot of lists, one of the major >points that was brought up by the users here is that the software has to >have searchable archives, and these patches were one of the reasons I >chose Mailman over any other package (very little work to get a full >install with the htdig interaction running). Had I seen a mail asking >about how many people use the patches I would've certainly raised a hand. > >>I've said it before (recently) and I'll say it again - these patches should >>be integrated into the main Mailman tree. They are That Good. > >I'll second (or by now third or fourth) this motion as well. I'm not sure >of the reason why they're not included, but considering your excellent >work in keeping up with the patches I haven't seen it as a problem. If >you're moving away from them, this will be a problem (unless I don't find >any need to upgrade the system until someone else picks up the torch). > >>Thank you, Richard, for maintaining them as long as you have. > >Definitely. > >>Now, is there any way we can talk you into continuing? :) > >...if you can keep your sanity in the process. I know what it's like when >you just want to get away from something you wrote before (google for >"megahal eggdrop"... I still can't escape that one, and haven't even been >on IRC in over 4 years :P) I can understand if you want to walk away from >the patches because you're just tired of maintaining them, just know that >there are a lot of people who love them and use them, so don't throw in >the towel because you think they're not appreciated. Thanks for the kind words guys. I've recovered from the fit of intense irritation that led to my post. I'll keep maintaining the htdig integration patch through to the next major MM (3.0??) release and then review. Hopefully, by then, either my patch will be in a fit state for incorporation into the main MM source (further work will follow to achieve that end) or the MM developers will have added a viable alternative into the main MM source. >-- >Steve Huston - Unix Systems Admin, Dept. of Astrophysical Sciences > Princeton University | ICBM Address: 40.346525 -74.651285 > 126 Peyton Hall |"On my ship, the Rocinante, wheeling through > Princeton, NJ 08544 | the galaxies; headed for the heart of Cygnus, > (609) 258-7375 | headlong into mystery." -Rush, 'Cygnus X-1' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From pduncan at jdconsult.com Tue Jun 3 17:52:25 2003 From: pduncan at jdconsult.com (Patrick Duncan) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:52:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate footers... Message-ID: <788DBF094C5F6144873EB5A89574B573123E3F@newman> I have setup mailman for my company and our clients to use as a round-robin forum for environmental consulting. I am having a problem with the footer though. We put a disclaimer at the bottom of every e-mail and the reply address back to the group so everyone is included in all discussion and we can archive all correspondence, now after the initial post and reply we start to get multiple footer on the posts. Any suggestion on a work around? Patrick Duncan Network Administrator JD Consulting 512.347.7588 ext.155 pduncan at jdconsult.com From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Jun 3 18:05:44 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 17:05:44 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wishlist and maybe problem solution In-Reply-To: <20030603152522.GA29801@chevron9.sil.at> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030603165343.0438a690@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 16:25 03/06/2003, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > Hi! > > Mailman is great, mailman is good, all hail mailman :) > > I have to administer a mailing list for which a special requirement was >requested: > > It will be a moderated list where only special people might be able to >send mails through. All these mails should have the same From: header, >so I thought using the ?anonymous_list? might be a good idea -- but I >don't see any chance to specify what mailman will put in there. It >simply always puts listname at hostname.domain in there, which is someone >we would like to change. Is there a posibility to make this >configureable in future versions? I guess this could be quite helpful >for others, too. > > Along the same lines, might it be possible to have an option to rewrite >the To: header, too? It should become a more or less "hidden" setup >here, so that could be of help. > > There is one thing that I like to question: The envelope-sender is set >to the -bounce address. From my understanding it must be sufficient to >set the Return-Path header to the -bounce address for it to work >correctly. The reason why I question this is that there are some mail >servers/clients (especially lotus notes) that display something like >this: >|From: [listname-bounce at hostname.domain] on behalf of [real.sender at domain] >(or something along these lines, I was just told about the german string >that is in between). This doesn't look quite nice and is afaik not >needed, for the only header used for bounce messages must be return-path >anyway. I think you will also find some versions of MS Outlook display this conflation of several headers in the "From" field of their GUI (see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp). The purpose of this behaviour is presumably to alert the end user to the possibility of something "nefarious" because of the (entirely valid) discrepancy between different headers on a message. This behaviour cannot be controlled by Mailman because it is the programmed into the MUA's GUI code. Fiddling with Mailman will not, I fear, fix programmed behaviour of some MUAs in any reliable way. > If these things aren't that easy to change (I would be pleased if >someone can send me a patch over, for I'm not that well in python (or >rather baaad)), can someone tell me if there is a way to tweak sendmail >to change this? I guess I shouldn't be the first to be faced with this >problem, so some might already have found a solution for this in >sendmail on their own. > > Otherwise I'd have to use a private mailing-skript in the meantime that >allows me to set the headers on my own, and set just the return-path to >the -bounce address to get into the benefit of the bounce control >mailman does. It's just these special requirements in this case... > > Btw., I do love mailman, did I mention that already? >alfie > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From tobias at kabissa.org Tue Jun 3 18:13:32 2003 From: tobias at kabissa.org (Tobias Eigen) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:13:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with shunting problems - scrubber? Message-ID: <1054656812.3edcc92c98ae9@webmail.kabissa.org> Hi all, (I sent through a message yesterday asking for help with archives not being updated for a week. I managed to get these updates happening - thanks. I am presuming it was a qrunner issue relating to an autoreply war on one of my lists.) I'm having a serious problem with some mail being shunted for reasons that don't make sense to me. Lists are generally working very well. Redhat Linux 7.2 (plesk 5 system hosted at Rackspace) Version 2.1.2 ./configure --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.1 --with-mail-gid=mailman --with-cgi- gid=48 mhonarc external archiver The error log errors are below. The first error message happens ALOT, and when it does happen, it seems to break the list so all messages get shunted. To make the list work again, I have to remove the digest.mbox file from the list directory. Any thoughts? This is causing me major problems with one of my lists in particular - it hasn't been reported anywhere else yet. Cheers, Tobias -- error 1 starts -- Jun 02 23:20:30 2003 (29585) SHUNTING: 1054494569.225907+c3b095b87fd22777f1a81b37acad616547957223 Jun 02 23:20:30 2003 (29585) Uncaught runner exception: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range (128) Jun 02 23:20:30 2003 (29585) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89, in process send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in send_i18n_digests msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 305, in process t = unicode(t, 'ascii', 'replace').encode('ascii') UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128) -- error 1 ends -- -- error 2 starts -- Jun 02 23:20:36 2003 (29582) SHUNTING: 1052380894.080789+bb8a6e8a627aebfaa568a0c79fe35df6048ea899 Jun 02 23:20:36 2003 (29582) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 32] Broken pipe Jun 02 23:20:36 2003 (29582) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose mlist.ArchiveMail(msg) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 198, in ArchiveMail self.ExternalArchive(mm_cfg.PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, txt) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 173, in ExternalArchive status = extarch.close() IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe -- error 2 ends -- -- Tobias Eigen Executive Director Kabissa - Space for change in Africa http://www.kabissa.org TIME TO GET ONLINE Internet Learning materials now online! Go: http://www.ttgo.kabissa.org Contact: ttgo at kabissa.org From admin2 at enabled.com Tue Jun 3 18:30:45 2003 From: admin2 at enabled.com (admin) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:30:45 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] digest message count Message-ID: <20030603163045.M21013@enabled.com> Hi, I am seeing some mail lists handled by mailman with a message count in the subject line accompanying the digest message. My digest mailings do not have these details. How do I add them? Here is an example of the subject: digest, Vol 1 #2186 - 13 msgs ^^^^^^^^ message count - Noah From rberber at legosoft.com.mx Tue Jun 3 18:30:19 2003 From: rberber at legosoft.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?Ren=E9_Berber?=) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 11:30:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman problem - All lists post to MAILMAN administrative In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2003-06-03 10:57:09 -0500 Alessandro Luiz Petrocino wrote: [snip] > I have Mailman v. 2.1.2 + Postfix installed in a server. > Well ... when someone post to a list, don't no why the same message is > posted to the > MAILMAN list (the administrative one, needed to install the Mailman > software) Check your mail aliases. You probably used copy/paste to create the aliases for the list and forgot to replace the new list name on those aliases. -- Ren? Berber From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net Tue Jun 3 19:17:07 2003 From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 10:17:07 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: -request address not working References: Message-ID: <3EDCD813.401@users.sourceforge.net> Drew Hawn wrote: > This is a basic question, I apologize, but the searchable archives don't > seem to be working Drew, Try these alternatives to The Mail Archive. MARC http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mailman-users GMANE nntp.gmane.org - group: gmane.mail.mailman.user -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net Tue Jun 3 19:23:43 2003 From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 10:23:43 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable archives of this list Message-ID: <3EDCD99F.4070308@users.sourceforge.net> Everyone, While The Mail Archive is off-line, these alternative mailman-user list archives are available. MARC: mailman-users http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mailman-users GMANE news.gmane.org - group: gmane.mail.mailman.user http://search.gmane.org/ -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs From tobias at kabissa.org Tue Jun 3 19:43:04 2003 From: tobias at kabissa.org (Tobias Eigen) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:43:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: [Mailman] Cron /usr/bin/python2.1 -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests Message-ID: <1054662184.3edcde283c092@webmail.kabissa.org> Hi all, Further to the shunting problem I was describing previously, below is what newly appears in my mailbox.. this relates to the digest.mbox file affected by the other shunting problem surely. Is there a problem with the scrubber? My intuition tells me this is where it is, but I'm having alot of trouble troubleshooting it. I'd be grateful for any ideas to help get this problem resolved soon. Best wishes, Tobias -- Tobias Eigen Executive Director Kabissa - Space for change in Africa http://www.kabissa.org TIME TO GET ONLINE Internet Learning materials now online! Go: http://www.ttgo.kabissa.org Contact: ttgo at kabissa.org ----- Forwarded message from Cron Daemon ----- Date: 3 Jun 2003 17:00:06 -0000 From: Cron Daemon Reply-To: Cron Daemon Subject: [Mailman] Cron /usr/bin/python2.1 - S /usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests To: mailman at kabissa.org Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main mlist.send_digest_now() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in send_i18n_digests msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 178, in process raise DiscardMessage Mailman.Errors.DiscardMessage _______________________________________________ Mailman mailing list Mailman at lists.kabissa.org http://lists.kabissa.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman ----- End forwarded message ----- From pug at pug.net Tue Jun 3 20:52:36 2003 From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:52:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTDIG patches reprieved (was HTDIG patches! Arghh!) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030603163828.048cb980@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>; from r.barrett@openinfo.co.uk on Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 04:44:15PM +0100 References: <88541B2C-95D1-11D7-BAC1-000393B60E0A@astro.princeton.edu> <5.1.1.6.0.20030603163828.048cb980@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030603135236.A18590@stardock.pug.net> Richard Barrett (r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk) said something that sounded like: > Thanks for the kind words guys. > > I've recovered from the fit of intense irritation that led to my post. > > I'll keep maintaining the htdig integration patch through to the next major > MM (3.0??) release and then review. Hopefully, by then, either my patch > will be in a fit state for incorporation into the main MM source (further > work will follow to achieve that end) or the MM developers will have added > a viable alternative into the main MM source. I want to thank you for this rethought. The htdig integration is something that is definitely important to me on many fronts. I run 3 different sites with them (1 is being deployed in the next week). There are over 350 different mailing lists on these 3 different sites. Thank you for your hard work and for your continued support! Ciao, -- Pug Bainter | AMD, Inc. System Engineer, MTS | Mail Stop 625 Pug.Bainter at amd.com | pug at pug.net | 5900 E. Ben White Blvd Phone: (512) 602-0364 | Fax: (512) 602-6970 | Austin, TX 78741 Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter. From bmiller at objectsciences.com Tue Jun 3 21:58:26 2003 From: bmiller at objectsciences.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTDIG patches reprieved (was HTDIG patches! Arghh!) In-Reply-To: <20030603135236.A18590@stardock.pug.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, Pug Bainter wrote: | Richard Barrett (r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk) said something that sounded like: | > Thanks for the kind words guys. | > | > I've recovered from the fit of intense irritation that led to my post. | > | > I'll keep maintaining the htdig integration patch through to the next major | > MM (3.0??) release and then review. | I want to thank you for this rethought. The htdig integration is something | that is definitely important to me on many fronts. Chipping in my two quantaloos as well, thank you for the creation and maintenence of this. I only signed up here recently, and the cause of that effect was the powers-that-be wanting a search interface for the dozen or so lists that are in use. The patching and configuration were all-but painless, and it's working like a charm. brian From shad at ascendant.ca Tue Jun 3 22:13:42 2003 From: shad at ascendant.ca (Shad Young) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 20:13:42 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Topic filtering Message-ID: <1054671340.27014.5.camel@ns.ascendant.ca> Hey all, I'm new to this list and to Mailman in general. I have read the support for topic filtering is included with 2.1 and was wondering where I could find docs that describe its use. I have been over all the guides on the site and searched Google, but have not had a great deal of success. Any pointers to where this information can be found would be greatly appreciated. TIA -- Shad Young -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030603/5d505249/attachment.pgp From kd5de at nwla.com Tue Jun 3 22:36:49 2003 From: kd5de at nwla.com (Mel Sojka) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 15:36:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminder problem 2.0.13 Message-ID: <3EDD06E1.7ED26237@nwla.com> I am at a bit of a lost I have about 30 list on one box, but something just happened that has me totally confused. I added another list recently and all of the sudden when the password reminders went out for this new list it included all the members from another list. Hard a heck to explain. But all the members of the devotional list got password reminders for the cnclist to which they do not belong??? Would love to solve this before months end. Mel -- System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com Linux User #25446 Linux 2.4.7 From adaml at jbase.com Wed Jun 4 01:17:38 2003 From: adaml at jbase.com (Adam Lipson) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 19:17:38 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] does arch interpret mbox files or read them litteraly? Message-ID: When I run arch I get a different format than I do from pine or elm IE does arch interpret the mbox file and post the messages in the archive as formatted text or does it just litteraly look for the divisions of the messages and post the messages into the archive? The reason I ask is I have been struggling to convert 4000+ messages from outlook, outlook express, eudora, mozilla you name it to an mbox (and this I can do easily) and then import that mbox into the archives or move the messages via IMAP. My unix mail programs read the mbox easily and the messages appear properly formatted, but when arch parses them and posts them on the web page everything looks like html encoded text ie text here or something to that effect. is there a flag that I am missing? I can't find it anywhere ./arch -h tells me to just give the filename and man arch just tells me about my system architecture. Is there something I have done wrong? TIA, Adam From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Wed Jun 4 01:25:22 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 08:25:22 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with shunting problems - scrubber? References: <1054656812.3edcc92c98ae9@webmail.kabissa.org> Message-ID: <3EDD2E62.9060505@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, try this patch. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=670167&group_id=103&atid=300103 Tobias Eigen wrote: > Hi all, > > (I sent through a message yesterday asking for help with archives not being > updated for a week. I managed to get these updates happening - thanks. I am > presuming it was a qrunner issue relating to an autoreply war on one of my > lists.) > > I'm having a serious problem with some mail being shunted for reasons that > don't make sense to me. Lists are generally working very well. > > Redhat Linux 7.2 (plesk 5 system hosted at Rackspace) > Version 2.1.2 > ./configure --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.1 --with-mail-gid=mailman --with-cgi- > gid=48 > mhonarc external archiver > > The error log errors are below. The first error message happens ALOT, and when > it does happen, it seems to break the list so all messages get shunted. To make > the list work again, I have to remove the digest.mbox file from the list > directory. > > Any thoughts? This is causing me major problems with one of my lists in > particular - it hasn't been reported anywhere else yet. > > Cheers, > > Tobias > > -- error 1 starts -- > > Jun 02 23:20:30 2003 (29585) SHUNTING: > 1054494569.225907+c3b095b87fd22777f1a81b37acad616547957223 > Jun 02 23:20:30 2003 (29585) Uncaught runner exception: ASCII encoding error: > ordinal not in range > (128) > Jun 02 23:20:30 2003 (29585) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in > _dispose > more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in > _dopipeline > sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89, in process > send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in > send_digests > send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in > send_i18n_digests > msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 305, in process > t = unicode(t, 'ascii', 'replace').encode('ascii') > UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128) > > -- error 1 ends -- > > -- error 2 starts -- > > Jun 02 23:20:36 2003 (29582) SHUNTING: > 1052380894.080789+bb8a6e8a627aebfaa568a0c79fe35df6048ea899 > Jun 02 23:20:36 2003 (29582) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 32] Broken pipe > Jun 02 23:20:36 2003 (29582) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose > mlist.ArchiveMail(msg) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 198, in > ArchiveMail > self.ExternalArchive(mm_cfg.PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, txt) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 173, in > ExternalArchive > status = extarch.close() > IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe > > -- error 2 ends -- > > > > -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From nw7us at hfradio.org Wed Jun 4 01:40:09 2003 From: nw7us at hfradio.org (Tomas (NW7US)) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 16:40:09 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with mailpasswds error in CRON job Message-ID: I have not had any reply to this. I have searched the online archives of this list, and found nothing helpful. If someone could point me in the direction of an answer, I would appreciate it: I am tring to resolve the following error. I cannot seem to find where I have an error. The Defaults.py file has the DEFAULT_HOST and variations set to hfradio.org - so why is host_name causing an error? All other functions seem to work correctly (I do have several lists on two domains). It is only this function, mailing out the passwords, that gives an error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "./mailpasswds", line 218, in ? main() File "./mailpasswds", line 210, in main msg.send(sitelist, **{'errorsto': sitebounce, File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 221, in send self['Message-ID'] = Utils.unique_message_id(mlist) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 634, in unique_message_id msgid = '' % ( File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 130, in __getattr__ raise AttributeError, name AttributeError: host_name Thanks, 73 de Tomas, NW7US (AAR0JA/AAM0EWA) -- : Propagation Editor, CQ/PopComm Magazines : http://hfradio.org/ : : Brinnon, Washington 122.93W 47.67N : CW SSB DIGITAL DX-Hunting : : A creator of solutions -- http://accessnow.com/ -- Perl Rules! : : Washington State MARS Emergency Operations Officer - (AAM0EWA) : : WA State Army MARS Webmaster for http://wa.mars.hfradio.org/ : : 10x56526, FISTS 7055, FISTS NW 57, A.R. Lighthouse Society 144 : From tobias at kabissa.org Wed Jun 4 01:58:33 2003 From: tobias at kabissa.org (Tobias Eigen) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 18:58:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with shunting problems - scrubber? In-Reply-To: <3EDD2E62.9060505@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> References: <1054656812.3edcc92c98ae9@webmail.kabissa.org> <3EDD2E62.9060505@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <1054684713.3edd362913b07@webmail.kabissa.org> Hi Tokio - I applied the patch, ran bin/unshunt, deleted the digest.mbox file - then restarted mailmanctl. Unfortunately, I'm still getting the same funky "UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128) " errors. Any thoughts? Thanks, Tobias -- Tobias Eigen Executive Director Kabissa - Space for change in Africa http://www.kabissa.org TIME TO GET ONLINE Internet Learning materials now online! Go: http://www.ttgo.kabissa.org Contact: ttgo at kabissa.org Quoting Tokio Kikuchi : > Hi, > > try this patch. > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/? func=detail&aid=670167&group_id=103&atid=300103 > > > Tobias Eigen wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > (I sent through a message yesterday asking for help with archives not being > > > updated for a week. I managed to get these updates happening - thanks. I am > > > presuming it was a qrunner issue relating to an autoreply war on one of my > > > lists.) > > > > I'm having a serious problem with some mail being shunted for reasons that > > > don't make sense to me. Lists are generally working very well. > > > > Redhat Linux 7.2 (plesk 5 system hosted at Rackspace) > > Version 2.1.2 > > ./configure --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.1 --with-mail-gid=mailman > --with-cgi- > > gid=48 > > mhonarc external archiver > > > > The error log errors are below. The first error message happens ALOT, and > when > > it does happen, it seems to break the list so all messages get shunted. To > make > > the list work again, I have to remove the digest.mbox file from the list > > directory. > > > > Any thoughts? This is causing me major problems with one of my lists in > > particular - it hasn't been reported anywhere else yet. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Tobias > > > > -- error 1 starts -- > > > > Jun 02 23:20:30 2003 (29585) SHUNTING: > > 1054494569.225907+c3b095b87fd22777f1a81b37acad616547957223 > > Jun 02 23:20:30 2003 (29585) Uncaught runner exception: ASCII encoding > error: > > ordinal not in range > > (128) > > Jun 02 23:20:30 2003 (29585) Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in > _oneloop > > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in > _onefile > > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in > > > _dispose > > more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in > > > _dopipeline > > sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89, in > process > > send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in > > send_digests > > send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in > > send_i18n_digests > > msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 305, in > process > > t = unicode(t, 'ascii', 'replace').encode('ascii') > > UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128) > > > > -- error 1 ends -- > > > > -- error 2 starts -- > > > > Jun 02 23:20:36 2003 (29582) SHUNTING: > > 1052380894.080789+bb8a6e8a627aebfaa568a0c79fe35df6048ea899 > > Jun 02 23:20:36 2003 (29582) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 32] Broken > pipe > > Jun 02 23:20:36 2003 (29582) Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in > _oneloop > > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in > _onefile > > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in > _dispose > > mlist.ArchiveMail(msg) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 198, in > > ArchiveMail > > self.ExternalArchive(mm_cfg.PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, txt) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 173, in > > ExternalArchive > > status = extarch.close() > > IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe > > > > -- error 2 ends -- > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp > http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ > > From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Wed Jun 4 02:19:46 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 09:19:46 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with shunting problems - scrubber? References: <1054656812.3edcc92c98ae9@webmail.kabissa.org> <3EDD2E62.9060505@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <1054684713.3edd362913b07@webmail.kabissa.org> Message-ID: <3EDD3B22.8080600@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hmm. What is your language related settings ? You are advised to use latin charset though your list's default language is english by adding entry in mm_cfg.py. (see Defaults.py) You can send me the offending message for inspection. Tobias Eigen wrote: > Hi Tokio - > > I applied the patch, ran bin/unshunt, deleted the digest.mbox file - then > restarted mailmanctl. Unfortunately, I'm still getting the same > funky "UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128) > " errors. Any thoughts? > > Thanks, > > Tobias > -- Tokio Kikucih, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Wed Jun 4 03:08:22 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 10:08:22 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with shunting problems - scrubber? References: <1054656812.3edcc92c98ae9@webmail.kabissa.org> <3EDD2E62.9060505@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <1054684713.3edd362913b07@webmail.kabissa.org> Message-ID: <3EDD4686.1080508@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Tobias, The shunted messages which you sent caused no error on my installation. Try putting following statement in your mm_cfg.py and restart mailman. add_language('en', _('English'), 'iso-8859-1') You should 1. restart mailmanctl 2. delete digest.mbox 3. unshunt in this order. Tokio Tobias Eigen wrote: > Hi Tokio - > > I applied the patch, ran bin/unshunt, deleted the digest.mbox file - then > restarted mailmanctl. Unfortunately, I'm still getting the same > funky "UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128) > " errors. Any thoughts? > > Thanks, > > Tobias > From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Wed Jun 4 03:09:51 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 10:09:51 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with shunting problems - scrubber? References: <1054656812.3edcc92c98ae9@webmail.kabissa.org> <3EDD2E62.9060505@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <1054684713.3edd362913b07@webmail.kabissa.org> <3EDD4686.1080508@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <3EDD46DF.9020206@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> sorry, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > Tobias, > > The shunted messages which you sent caused no error on my installation. > Try putting following statement in your mm_cfg.py and restart mailman. > > add_language('en', _('English'), 'iso-8859-1') should read add_language('en', 'English', 'iso-8859-1') Tokio From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Wed Jun 4 03:56:33 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 10:56:33 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with shunting problems - scrubber? References: <1054689558.3edd4916e4532@webmail.kabissa.org> Message-ID: <3EDD51D1.9010504@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Tobias, It is bad idea to copy the Defaults.py to mm_cfg.py then edit the latter. The former may change when updating your version. You can get my i18n-related patch from http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-2.1.2+patch.20030429 in mailman-2.1.2 dir, type $ patch -p0 < path/to/this_patch then, configure, make install and restart. If it doesn't work, I can't help you. Tokio Tobias Eigen wrote: > Hi Tokio - here is my mm_cfg file - are there any problems with it? > > -T > > > # -*- python -*- > > # Copyright (C) 1998-2003 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc. > # > # This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or > # modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License > # as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 > # of the License, or (at your option) any later version. > # > # This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, > # but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of > # MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the > # GNU General Public License for more details. > # > # You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License > # along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software > # Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. > > """Distributed default settings for significant Mailman config variables. > """ > > # NEVER make site configuration changes to this file. ALWAYS make them in > # mm_cfg.py instead, in the designated area. See the comments in that file > # for details. > > # add_language('en', _('English (USA)'), 'us-ascii') > add_language('en', 'English', 'iso-8859-1') From jwt at OnJapan.net Wed Jun 4 08:47:29 2003 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 15:47:29 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Datestamp in archives? In-Reply-To: <192a7ec862a757f81838b00f22f087af@alaska1> References: <192a7ec862a757f81838b00f22f087af@alaska1> Message-ID: <20030604064728.GD12893@server.onjapan.net> On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 10:05:53AM -0500, Ren? Berber wrote: > I found no option and no patches to do that so I'm now looking > for the particular piece of code that creates the subject > list. You could (globally) change the digest subjects in Mailman/Handlers/To_Digest.py send_i18n_digests() From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Jun 4 08:52:35 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 07:52:35 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] does arch interpret mbox files or read them litteraly? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030604072353.03de0b38@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 00:17 04/06/2003, Adam Lipson wrote: >When I run arch I get a different format than I do from pine or elm IE >does arch interpret the mbox file and post the messages in the archive as >formatted text or does it just litteraly look for the divisions of the >messages and post the messages into the archive? The reason I ask is I >have been struggling to convert 4000+ messages from outlook, outlook >express, eudora, mozilla you name it to an mbox (and this I can do easily) >and then import that mbox into the archives or move the messages via >IMAP. My unix mail programs read the mbox easily and the messages appear >properly formatted, but when arch parses them and posts them on the web >page everything looks like html encoded text ie Talking MM 2.1.2 but same principle in MM 2.0.x, just some of the detail varies. Assuming you have the normal default config variable of ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2 set then Mailman will append a verbatim copy of each post to a list to that list's mbox archive (in $prefix/archives/private/.mbox/listname>.mbox) and generate an HTML version of the post (in a subdirectory of $prefix/archives/private/). If you have a bunch of historical stuff in mbox format then prepend it to the list's mbox archive before running $prefix/bin/arch with the --wipe option to generate the initial HTML archives, including the historical stuff. The HTML archive pages are constructed using a template for which the English language default is $prefix/templates/en/article.html The raw email content (as appended to the mbox file) is massaged by MM's internal archiver to give an HTML page and this massaging discards most of the headers and may alos extract attachments and such. You cannot fully reconstruct the raw email from the Mailman HTML archive version of an email; that is why it is default of ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2 to have both mbox and HTML archives retained. > text here or >something to that effect. > >is there a flag that I am missing? I can't find it anywhere ./arch -h >tells me to just give the filename and man arch just tells me about my >system architecture. Is there something I have done wrong? There isn't a man page for MM's arch script; you are seeing the man page for the system's arch command. $prefix/bin/arch wants a list name and a UNIX mailbox file to work off and it constructs/reconstructs the list's HTML archives. If you do not nominate the mbox file then arch looks for the lists' mbox archive file in the default location described above. Is something missing? Depends on what you are you looking for. >TIA, >Adam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From mailman at chevron9.sil.at Wed Jun 4 09:17:18 2003 From: mailman at chevron9.sil.at (Gerfried Fuchs) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:17:18 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wishlist and maybe problem solution In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030603165343.0438a690@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> References: <20030603152522.GA29801@chevron9.sil.at> <5.1.1.6.0.20030603165343.0438a690@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030604071718.GA31132@chevron9.sil.at> On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 05:05:44PM +0100, Richard Barrett wrote: > At 16:25 03/06/2003, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > >|From: [listname-bounce at hostname.domain] on behalf of [real.sender at domain] > > I think you will also find some versions of MS Outlook display this > conflation of several headers in the "From" field of their GUI (see > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp). Yes, that's exactly what it's about, right. > The purpose of this behaviour is presumably to alert the end user to > the possibility of something "nefarious" because of the (entirely > valid) discrepancy between different headers on a message. Between the envelope-from (Sender-Header) and the From: header. > This behaviour cannot be controlled by Mailman because it is the > programmed into the MUA's GUI code. Of course it can, because the Sender-Header must not be the -bounces address like I said, it can be the usual mailing-list address instead. The ?Return-Path? header is the only one that must be set to the -bounces address, to not loose the bounce-handling of mailman. Thanks for your input, though. I guess I'll have to dig myself. Alfie From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Jun 4 09:58:02 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 08:58:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wishlist and maybe problem solution In-Reply-To: <20030604071718.GA31132@chevron9.sil.at> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030603165343.0438a690@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> <20030603152522.GA29801@chevron9.sil.at> <5.1.1.6.0.20030603165343.0438a690@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030604084715.03de2e10@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 08:17 04/06/2003, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: >On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 05:05:44PM +0100, Richard Barrett wrote: > > At 16:25 03/06/2003, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > > >|From: [listname-bounce at hostname.domain] on behalf of [real.sender at domain] > > > > I think you will also find some versions of MS Outlook display this > > conflation of several headers in the "From" field of their GUI (see > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp). > > Yes, that's exactly what it's about, right. > > > The purpose of this behaviour is presumably to alert the end user to > > the possibility of something "nefarious" because of the (entirely > > valid) discrepancy between different headers on a message. > > Between the envelope-from (Sender-Header) and the From: header. > > > This behaviour cannot be controlled by Mailman because it is the > > programmed into the MUA's GUI code. > > Of course it can, because the Sender-Header must not be the -bounces >address like I said, it can be the usual mailing-list address instead. >The ?Return-Path? header is the only one that must be set to the >-bounces address, to not loose the bounce-handling of mailman. > > Thanks for your input, though. I guess I'll have to dig myself. >Alfie If you want to try making your suggested change then (for MM 2.1.2) look to line 342 of Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py in function bulkdeliver() and change: msg['Sender'] = envsender to read: msg['Sender'] = mlist.GetListEmail() Do not forget that indentation is syntactically significant in Python! This change should lead to the SMTP envelope having the bounce alias on it while the Sender is just the list alias. Do not blame me if inappropriate stuff starts getting posted to the list because of the change and do let us know how you get on with the change. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Jun 4 12:57:36 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 11:57:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wishlist and maybe problem solution In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030604084715.03de2e10@mail.openinfo.co.uk> References: <20030604071718.GA31132@chevron9.sil.at> <5.1.1.6.0.20030603165343.0438a690@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> <20030603152522.GA29801@chevron9.sil.at> <5.1.1.6.0.20030603165343.0438a690@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030604111208.03a7d0d8@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 08:58 04/06/2003, Richard Barrett wrote: >At 08:17 04/06/2003, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: >>On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 05:05:44PM +0100, Richard Barrett wrote: >> > At 16:25 03/06/2003, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: >> > >|From: [listname-bounce at hostname.domain] on behalf of >> [real.sender at domain] >> > >> > I think you will also find some versions of MS Outlook display this >> > conflation of several headers in the "From" field of their GUI (see >> > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp). >> >> Yes, that's exactly what it's about, right. >> >> > The purpose of this behaviour is presumably to alert the end user to >> > the possibility of something "nefarious" because of the (entirely >> > valid) discrepancy between different headers on a message. >> >> Between the envelope-from (Sender-Header) and the From: header. >> >> > This behaviour cannot be controlled by Mailman because it is the >> > programmed into the MUA's GUI code. >> >> Of course it can, because the Sender-Header must not be the -bounces >>address like I said, it can be the usual mailing-list address instead. >>The ?Return-Path? header is the only one that must be set to the >>-bounces address, to not loose the bounce-handling of mailman. >> >> Thanks for your input, though. I guess I'll have to dig myself. >>Alfie > >If you want to try making your suggested change then (for MM 2.1.2) look >to line 342 of Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py in function bulkdeliver() >and change: > > msg['Sender'] = envsender > >to read: > > msg['Sender'] = mlist.GetListEmail() > >Do not forget that indentation is syntactically significant in Python! > >This change should lead to the SMTP envelope having the bounce alias on it >while the Sender is just the list alias. Do not blame me if inappropriate >stuff starts getting posted to the list because of the change and do let >us know how you get on with the change. A general enquiry to Mailman experts. I've tried the patch I suggested above on my test system and it doesn't appear to break anything. MTA's such as Outlook show "From: [listname at hostname.domain] on behalf of [real.sender at poster.domain]" which removes the objected to -bounces suffix in the displayed "From" field. Bounce processing works OK What are the objections to this revision of the Sender header? Is it just the risk of a geriatric MTA returning mail to the Sender address, and hence sending to the list with unpleasant consequences, when it should be returning to the SMTP envelope sender? Thought or comments please ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From nw7us at hfradio.org Wed Jun 4 14:01:51 2003 From: nw7us at hfradio.org (Tomas (NW7US)) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 05:01:51 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Update: Help with mailpasswds error in CRON job Message-ID: <0884D9UQZTQMB6URM1X5YJF85B8TOMH.3edddfaf@sum789> Jim Tittsler provided some help with a bit of code that allowed me to produce the following: > Running hostname.hostname()... > Loading list rlogbeta (unlocked) > hfradio.org > Loading list pdadev (unlocked) > seasystems.accessnow.com > Loading list jcarc_oh (unlocked) > hfradio.org > Loading list jcarc_repeater (unlocked) > hfradio.org > Loading list jcarc_fieldday (unlocked) > hfradio.org > Loading list jcarc_chat (unlocked) > hfradio.org > Loading list aaa0wa-list (unlocked) > wa.mars.hfradio.org > Finalizing So, it seems that the script in ~/mailman/bin can see the host_name - but, when I am in ~/mailman/cron, the mailpasswd script cannot. When I run mailpasswd with just one list: > mailpasswds -l rlogbeta I get: Traceback (most recent call last): File "./mailpasswds", line 218, in ? main() File "./mailpasswds", line 210, in main msg.send(sitelist, **{'errorsto': sitebounce, File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 221, in send self['Message-ID'] = Utils.unique_message_id(mlist) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 634, in unique_message_id msgid = '' % ( File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 130, in __getattr__ raise AttributeError, name AttributeError: host_name which is the same error the CRON gets. I don't see any problem - all lists have a valid host name. So, what could be causing this? Any ideas? 73 de Tomas, NW7US (AAR0JA/AAM0EWA) -- : Propagation Editor, CQ/PopComm Magazines : http://hfradio.org/ : : Brinnon, Washington 122.93W 47.67N : CW SSB DIGITAL DX-Hunting : : A creator of solutions -- http://accessnow.com/ -- Perl Rules! : : Washington State MARS Emergency Operations Officer - (AAM0EWA) : : WA State Army MARS Webmaster for http://wa.mars.hfradio.org/ : : 10x56526, FISTS 7055, FISTS NW 57, A.R. Lighthouse Society 144 : From adaml at jbase.com Wed Jun 4 15:10:18 2003 From: adaml at jbase.com (Adam Lipson) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:10:18 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] does arch interpret mbox files or read them literally? Message-ID: Richards, Thank you that is very interesting and well worth knowing. So, if one has an mbox file not created by mailman that they wish to create an archive file they must strip out all encoding somehow and make it into a txt only version if I follow your posting correctly. If this is the case then there are a few options as I see it for those of us that wish to convert an archive of historical emails from a previous list: 1) find some sort of parser that will scrub out the mime encoding 2) use an alternative program for the archives. My guess is this is the best way to go and to use something like MHonArc that is designed for this and let the list server do a great job at being a list server and an archive management program do the archiving. Please let me know if I did not get your message straight. Regards, Adam -----Original Message----- From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 2:53 AM To: Adam Lipson; Mailman-Users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] does arch interpret mbox files or read them litteraly? At 00:17 04/06/2003, Adam Lipson wrote: >When I run arch I get a different format than I do from pine or elm IE >does arch interpret the mbox file and post the messages in the archive as >formatted text or does it just litteraly look for the divisions of the >messages and post the messages into the archive? The reason I ask is I >have been struggling to convert 4000+ messages from outlook, outlook >express, eudora, mozilla you name it to an mbox (and this I can do easily) >and then import that mbox into the archives or move the messages via >IMAP. My unix mail programs read the mbox easily and the messages appear >properly formatted, but when arch parses them and posts them on the web >page everything looks like html encoded text ie Talking MM 2.1.2 but same principle in MM 2.0.x, just some of the detail varies. Assuming you have the normal default config variable of ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2 set then Mailman will append a verbatim copy of each post to a list to that list's mbox archive (in $prefix/archives/private/.mbox/listname>.mbox) and generate an HTML version of the post (in a subdirectory of $prefix/archives/private/). If you have a bunch of historical stuff in mbox format then prepend it to the list's mbox archive before running $prefix/bin/arch with the --wipe option to generate the initial HTML archives, including the historical stuff. The HTML archive pages are constructed using a template for which the English language default is $prefix/templates/en/article.html The raw email content (as appended to the mbox file) is massaged by MM's internal archiver to give an HTML page and this massaging discards most of the headers and may alos extract attachments and such. You cannot fully reconstruct the raw email from the Mailman HTML archive version of an email; that is why it is default of ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2 to have both mbox and HTML archives retained. > text here or >something to that effect. > >is there a flag that I am missing? I can't find it anywhere ./arch -h >tells me to just give the filename and man arch just tells me about my >system architecture. Is there something I have done wrong? There isn't a man page for MM's arch script; you are seeing the man page for the system's arch command. $prefix/bin/arch wants a list name and a UNIX mailbox file to work off and it constructs/reconstructs the list's HTML archives. If you do not nominate the mbox file then arch looks for the lists' mbox archive file in the default location described above. Is something missing? Depends on what you are you looking for. >TIA, >Adam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From nw7us at hfradio.org Wed Jun 4 15:13:00 2003 From: nw7us at hfradio.org (Tomas (NW7US)) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 06:13:00 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fixed: Help with mailpasswds error in CRON job In-Reply-To: <20030604114501.GA14439@server.onjapan.net> Message-ID: I finally figured out my error - The missing configuration was in mm_cfg.py The mailman list was not defined. All is working now. 73 de Tomas, NW7US (AAR0JA/AAM0EWA) -- : Propagation Editor, CQ/PopComm Magazines : http://hfradio.org/ : : Brinnon, Washington 122.93W 47.67N : CW SSB DIGITAL DX-Hunting : : A creator of solutions -- http://accessnow.com/ -- Perl Rules! : : Washington State MARS Emergency Operations Officer - (AAM0EWA) : : WA State Army MARS Webmaster for http://wa.mars.hfradio.org/ : : 10x56526, FISTS 7055, FISTS NW 57, A.R. Lighthouse Society 144 : From jwt at OnJapan.net Wed Jun 4 15:17:34 2003 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 22:17:34 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Update: Help with mailpasswds error in CRON job In-Reply-To: <0884D9UQZTQMB6URM1X5YJF85B8TOMH.3edddfaf@sum789> References: <0884D9UQZTQMB6URM1X5YJF85B8TOMH.3edddfaf@sum789> Message-ID: <20030604131734.GB14900@server.onjapan.net> On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 05:01:51AM -0700, Tomas wrote: > Jim Tittsler provided some help with a bit of code that > allowed me to produce the following: > > > Running hostname.hostname()... > > Loading list rlogbeta (unlocked) [...] Is this mailman 2.1.x? I don't see the required 'mailman' site list (which is the list that the password reminders are made to appear to come from). From dlane at ap.stmarys.ca Wed Jun 4 15:49:02 2003 From: dlane at ap.stmarys.ca (Dave Lane) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 10:49:02 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] V2.1 breaks virtual hosting? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030602195755.0399ee80@mail.openinfo.co.uk> References: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030604103840.03625610@crux.stmarys.ca> At 08:03 PM 6/2/2003 +0100, Richard Barrett wrote: >>DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'native.stmarys.ca' >>DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'native.stmarys.ca' >>DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mm21/' >>add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) >>add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, 'lists.domain1.ca') >>add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, 'lists.domain2.ca') > >The add_virtualhost calls insert key/values into a dictionary. The key is >the first parameter to the add_virtualhost call and the value is the >second parameter. > >You are not generating three entries in the dictionary with your >add_virtualhost calls. The effect is as if the first two were not made and >the only virtual host you are defining is the last one. > >This might be part of your problem. Richard, I've tried a number of things since (as gleaned from the archives) and mail from mailman seems to go silent as soon as I either use either "add_virtual_host" setting or change a list to a virtual domain from the web interface. Received mail sent to the virtual address does end up in the digest .mbox file for the list, so it *is* receiving the virtual mail. In another example, after changing the domain to the virtual one, subscribe notices aren't received -- change it back, that it works again. I wish the documentation actually described in detail how this works, especially since it worked well and was easy to use in V2.0. ... Dave From bmoyles at sportvision.com Wed Jun 4 16:36:42 2003 From: bmoyles at sportvision.com (Brian Moyles) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:36:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying From: in postings Message-ID: When users post to our lists, the From: is just the email address. Where in the code would I look to change that to NewsletterDescription (so it would show up as NewsletterDescription in most MUAs)? I've dug around in the code some, but I don't see a clear cut way to do this, and figured someone might be able to help here. Thanks! -- Brian Moyles Senior Systems Administrator Sportvision, Inc. (773) 293-4355 | bmoyles at sportvision.com From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Jun 4 16:59:41 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 15:59:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] does arch interpret mbox files or read them literally? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030604153810.00ad5d48@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 14:10 04/06/2003, Adam Lipson wrote: >Richards, > >Thank you that is very interesting and well worth knowing. So, if one has >an mbox file not created by mailman that they wish to create an archive >file they must strip out all encoding somehow and make it into a txt only >version if I follow your posting correctly. If this is the case then >there are a few options as I see it for those of us that wish to convert >an archive of historical emails from a previous list: I always figure if I explain the background people will find it easier to understand the point I getting at. I have obviously failed in this endeavour. Unix malbox (mbox) format _IS_ a text file format "a classic Unix-style mailbox, where all messages are contained in a single file and separated by "From "(a.k.a. "From_") lines." By definition mail travels as text using mime encoding to things that cannot survive be handled as text. $prefix/bin/arch processes such UNIX mailbox files and generates HTML archives from them. Just do what I said in my last response. 1. Prepend any historical mail you have in mbox format to the list's $prefix/archives/private/.mbox/.mbox) file; just glue the old and new together. That will give a "complete" mbox archive for the list. 2. Then run $prefix/bin/arch --wipe . This will generate the HTML archive for the list. That is all you should need to do. Subsequent postings to the list will be automatically added to the list's mbox file and its HTML archive by MM's builin archiver. >1) find some sort of parser that will scrub out the mime encoding You should not need to do that. MM 2.1.2 will deal with mime encoded attachments in the list's mbox archive file in just the same way as it handles them in new postings to a list. >2) use an alternative program for the archives. My guess is this is the >best way to go and to use something like MHonArc that is designed for this >and let the list server do a great job at being a list server and an >archive management program do the archiving. I have nothing against MHonArc but without trying it how can you conclude that Mailman's builtin pipermail archiver cannot meet your needs. The process of MM ingesting existing mbox format archives is really quite straightforward. It should be quicker than installing and setting up MHonArc to work properly. >Please let me know if I did not get your message straight. See above. >Regards, >Adam > >-----Original Message----- >From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] >Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 2:53 AM >To: Adam Lipson; Mailman-Users at python.org >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] does arch interpret mbox files or read them >litteraly? > > >At 00:17 04/06/2003, Adam Lipson wrote: > >When I run arch I get a different format than I do from pine or elm IE > >does arch interpret the mbox file and post the messages in the archive as > >formatted text or does it just litteraly look for the divisions of the > >messages and post the messages into the archive? The reason I ask is I > >have been struggling to convert 4000+ messages from outlook, outlook > >express, eudora, mozilla you name it to an mbox (and this I can do easily) > >and then import that mbox into the archives or move the messages via > >IMAP. My unix mail programs read the mbox easily and the messages appear > >properly formatted, but when arch parses them and posts them on the web > >page everything looks like html encoded text ie > >Talking MM 2.1.2 but same principle in MM 2.0.x, just some of the detail >varies. > >Assuming you have the normal default config variable of ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2 >set then Mailman will append a verbatim copy of each post to a list to that >list's mbox archive (in >$prefix/archives/private/.mbox/listname>.mbox) and generate an >HTML version of the post (in a subdirectory >of $prefix/archives/private/). > >If you have a bunch of historical stuff in mbox format then prepend it to >the list's mbox archive before running $prefix/bin/arch with the --wipe >option to generate the initial HTML archives, including the historical stuff. > >The HTML archive pages are constructed using a template for which the >English language default is $prefix/templates/en/article.html The raw email >content (as appended to the mbox file) is massaged by MM's internal >archiver to give an HTML page and this massaging discards most of the >headers and may alos extract attachments and such. > >You cannot fully reconstruct the raw email from the Mailman HTML archive >version of an email; that is why it is default of ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2 to >have both mbox and HTML archives retained. > > > text here or > >something to that effect. > > > >is there a flag that I am missing? I can't find it anywhere ./arch -h > >tells me to just give the filename and man arch just tells me about my > >system architecture. Is there something I have done wrong? > >There isn't a man page for MM's arch script; you are seeing the man page >for the system's arch command. > >$prefix/bin/arch wants a list name and a UNIX mailbox file to work off and >it constructs/reconstructs the list's HTML archives. If you do not nominate >the mbox file then arch looks for the lists' mbox archive file in the >default location described above. > >Is something missing? Depends on what you are you looking for. > > >TIA, > >Adam > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From adaml at jbase.com Wed Jun 4 17:11:54 2003 From: adaml at jbase.com (Adam Lipson) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:11:54 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] does arch interpret mbox files or read them literally? Message-ID: Sorry for being dense, but when I run $prefix/bin/arch --wipe it comes up with option --wipe not recognized Is this just a function of the version of arch I have? 2.0.13 of mailman. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 11:00 AM To: Adam Lipson Cc: Mailman-Users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] does arch interpret mbox files or read them literally? At 14:10 04/06/2003, Adam Lipson wrote: >Richards, > >Thank you that is very interesting and well worth knowing. So, if one has >an mbox file not created by mailman that they wish to create an archive >file they must strip out all encoding somehow and make it into a txt only >version if I follow your posting correctly. If this is the case then >there are a few options as I see it for those of us that wish to convert >an archive of historical emails from a previous list: I always figure if I explain the background people will find it easier to understand the point I getting at. I have obviously failed in this endeavour. Unix malbox (mbox) format _IS_ a text file format "a classic Unix-style mailbox, where all messages are contained in a single file and separated by "From "(a.k.a. "From_") lines." By definition mail travels as text using mime encoding to things that cannot survive be handled as text. $prefix/bin/arch processes such UNIX mailbox files and generates HTML archives from them. Just do what I said in my last response. 1. Prepend any historical mail you have in mbox format to the list's $prefix/archives/private/.mbox/.mbox) file; just glue the old and new together. That will give a "complete" mbox archive for the list. 2. Then run $prefix/bin/arch --wipe . This will generate the HTML archive for the list. That is all you should need to do. Subsequent postings to the list will be automatically added to the list's mbox file and its HTML archive by MM's builin archiver. >1) find some sort of parser that will scrub out the mime encoding You should not need to do that. MM 2.1.2 will deal with mime encoded attachments in the list's mbox archive file in just the same way as it handles them in new postings to a list. >2) use an alternative program for the archives. My guess is this is the >best way to go and to use something like MHonArc that is designed for this >and let the list server do a great job at being a list server and an >archive management program do the archiving. I have nothing against MHonArc but without trying it how can you conclude that Mailman's builtin pipermail archiver cannot meet your needs. The process of MM ingesting existing mbox format archives is really quite straightforward. It should be quicker than installing and setting up MHonArc to work properly. >Please let me know if I did not get your message straight. See above. >Regards, >Adam > >-----Original Message----- >From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] >Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 2:53 AM >To: Adam Lipson; Mailman-Users at python.org >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] does arch interpret mbox files or read them >litteraly? > > >At 00:17 04/06/2003, Adam Lipson wrote: > >When I run arch I get a different format than I do from pine or elm IE > >does arch interpret the mbox file and post the messages in the archive as > >formatted text or does it just litteraly look for the divisions of the > >messages and post the messages into the archive? The reason I ask is I > >have been struggling to convert 4000+ messages from outlook, outlook > >express, eudora, mozilla you name it to an mbox (and this I can do easily) > >and then import that mbox into the archives or move the messages via > >IMAP. My unix mail programs read the mbox easily and the messages appear > >properly formatted, but when arch parses them and posts them on the web > >page everything looks like html encoded text ie > >Talking MM 2.1.2 but same principle in MM 2.0.x, just some of the detail >varies. > >Assuming you have the normal default config variable of ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2 >set then Mailman will append a verbatim copy of each post to a list to that >list's mbox archive (in >$prefix/archives/private/.mbox/listname>.mbox) and generate an >HTML version of the post (in a subdirectory >of $prefix/archives/private/). > >If you have a bunch of historical stuff in mbox format then prepend it to >the list's mbox archive before running $prefix/bin/arch with the --wipe >option to generate the initial HTML archives, including the historical stuff. > >The HTML archive pages are constructed using a template for which the >English language default is $prefix/templates/en/article.html The raw email >content (as appended to the mbox file) is massaged by MM's internal >archiver to give an HTML page and this massaging discards most of the >headers and may alos extract attachments and such. > >You cannot fully reconstruct the raw email from the Mailman HTML archive >version of an email; that is why it is default of ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2 to >have both mbox and HTML archives retained. > > > text here or > >something to that effect. > > > >is there a flag that I am missing? I can't find it anywhere ./arch -h > >tells me to just give the filename and man arch just tells me about my > >system architecture. Is there something I have done wrong? > >There isn't a man page for MM's arch script; you are seeing the man page >for the system's arch command. > >$prefix/bin/arch wants a list name and a UNIX mailbox file to work off and >it constructs/reconstructs the list's HTML archives. If you do not nominate >the mbox file then arch looks for the lists' mbox archive file in the >default location described above. > >Is something missing? Depends on what you are you looking for. > > >TIA, > >Adam > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From jsmith at smittybuilt.com Wed Jun 4 17:14:56 2003 From: jsmith at smittybuilt.com (jsmith) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:14:56 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Broken Mailman 2.1.2 Message-ID: Good morning all, I have been wrestling with my problem for a while and thought I would asks again. The lists works for the most part but I do have a problem with not being able to add any headers or footers. I had initially Mailman 2.1.1 installed fresh. I thought something was broken from the install(I guess it still could be). I upgraded to 2.1.2 and this has not fixed my issues. I have verified the problem issues with several types of email clients, When I view the post, I have no footer or header, the list information at the bottom of these posts, subscription and things like that which should be automatic. Also if I add any headers of footers to either the digested or non-digested options they never show up either. However, when I open the post in outlook and view the options so I can see the headers, here is what I get...... ________________________________________________________________________ _______________________ Microsoft Mail Internet Headers Version 2.0 Received: from retiredmarines.com ([63.246.128.70]) by mail.smittybuilt.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 06:35:28 -0700 Received: from retiredmarines.com (mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1]) by retiredmarines.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h535c3Ji018106; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 05:38:04 GMT Received: (from mailman at localhost) by retiredmarines.com (8.12.8/8.12.7/Submit) id h535bhj6018104; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 05:37:43 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: retiredmarines.com: mailman set sender to jobposting-bounces at meawest.org using -f Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by retiredmarines.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h535YrJg018057 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 05:34:53 GMT Received: from Fishercs at aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id b.16d.1d64b008 (4238) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <16d.1d64b008.2c0dfd19 at aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:31:05 EDT To: jobposting at meawest.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by retiredmarines.com id h535YrJg018057 From: jobposting at meawest.org Subject: [Jobposting] MEA Network Job Opps 06-03-03 X-BeenThere: jobposting at meawest.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jobposting at meawest.org List-Id: Marine Executive Association email list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Return-Path: jobposting-bounces at meawest.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2003 13:35:28.0624 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF1A8700:01C329D4] As you can see the automated footers are there in the header information. Now this is not just an outlook issue, I have used Eudora, OutlookXP, Squirrelmail, Hotmail, and asks a bunch of the ppl on the list and they all report the same issue. Any help or direction would be greatly appreciated. Joe From shad at ascendant.ca Wed Jun 4 17:17:32 2003 From: shad at ascendant.ca (Shad Young) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 15:17:32 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Topic filtering Message-ID: <1054739974.5009.1.camel@ns.ascendant.ca> Hey all, I'm new to this list and to Mailman in general. I have read the support for topic filtering is included with 2.1 and was wondering where I could find docs that describe its use. I have been over all the guides on the site and searched Google, but have not had a great deal of success. Any pointers to where this information can be found would be greatly appreciated. TIA -- Shad Young -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030604/ca0810a5/attachment.pgp From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Jun 4 17:32:56 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 16:32:56 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] does arch interpret mbox files or read them literally? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030604162411.0531c8c0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 16:11 04/06/2003, Adam Lipson wrote: >Sorry for being dense, but when I run > >$prefix/bin/arch --wipe it comes up with > >option --wipe not recognized > >Is this just a function of the version of arch I have? 2.0.13 of mailman. Sorry --wipe is a MM 2.1.x feature. My mistake in jumping to the conclusion you were running MM 2.1.x I am almost certain running arch without --wipe on MM 2.0.13 will work as planned but MM 2.0.13 doesn't have the mime handling features of 2.1.2 and thus encoded stuff will show up in the HTML archive. You have a couple of choices: 1. these was an plain text patch for MM 2.0.13 which would remove MIME encoded stuff from the archives. It was available from sourceforge or I can email a copy I used with MM 2.0.13 to you. The only thing I'm uncertain about is whether it does the business when regenerating the HTML archive from the mbox. 2. upgrade to MM 2.1.2 if you can. It is stable and a lot better at some things than MM 2.0.13 >-----Original Message----- >From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] >Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 11:00 AM >To: Adam Lipson >Cc: Mailman-Users at python.org >Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] does arch interpret mbox files or read them >literally? > > >At 14:10 04/06/2003, Adam Lipson wrote: > >Richards, > > > >Thank you that is very interesting and well worth knowing. So, if one has > >an mbox file not created by mailman that they wish to create an archive > >file they must strip out all encoding somehow and make it into a txt only > >version if I follow your posting correctly. If this is the case then > >there are a few options as I see it for those of us that wish to convert > >an archive of historical emails from a previous list: > >I always figure if I explain the background people will find it easier to >understand the point I getting at. I have obviously failed in this endeavour. > >Unix malbox (mbox) format _IS_ a text file format "a classic Unix-style >mailbox, where all messages are contained in a single file and separated by >"From "(a.k.a. "From_") lines." By definition mail travels as text using >mime encoding to things that cannot survive be handled as text. > >$prefix/bin/arch processes such UNIX mailbox files and generates HTML >archives from them. > >Just do what I said in my last response. > >1. Prepend any historical mail you have in mbox format to the list's >$prefix/archives/private/.mbox/.mbox) file; just glue >the old and new together. That will give a "complete" mbox archive for the >list. > >2. Then run $prefix/bin/arch --wipe . This will generate the HTML >archive for the list. > >That is all you should need to do. > >Subsequent postings to the list will be automatically added to the list's >mbox file and its HTML archive by MM's builin archiver. > > >1) find some sort of parser that will scrub out the mime encoding > >You should not need to do that. MM 2.1.2 will deal with mime encoded >attachments in the list's mbox archive file in just the same way as it >handles them in new postings to a list. > > >2) use an alternative program for the archives. My guess is this is the > >best way to go and to use something like MHonArc that is designed for this > >and let the list server do a great job at being a list server and an > >archive management program do the archiving. > >I have nothing against MHonArc but without trying it how can you conclude >that Mailman's builtin pipermail archiver cannot meet your needs. The >process of MM ingesting existing mbox format archives is really quite >straightforward. It should be quicker than installing and setting up >MHonArc to work properly. > > >Please let me know if I did not get your message straight. > >See above. > > >Regards, > >Adam > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] > >Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 2:53 AM > >To: Adam Lipson; Mailman-Users at python.org > >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] does arch interpret mbox files or read them > >litteraly? > > > > > >At 00:17 04/06/2003, Adam Lipson wrote: > > >When I run arch I get a different format than I do from pine or elm IE > > >does arch interpret the mbox file and post the messages in the archive as > > >formatted text or does it just litteraly look for the divisions of the > > >messages and post the messages into the archive? The reason I ask is I > > >have been struggling to convert 4000+ messages from outlook, outlook > > >express, eudora, mozilla you name it to an mbox (and this I can do easily) > > >and then import that mbox into the archives or move the messages via > > >IMAP. My unix mail programs read the mbox easily and the messages appear > > >properly formatted, but when arch parses them and posts them on the web > > >page everything looks like html encoded text ie > > > >Talking MM 2.1.2 but same principle in MM 2.0.x, just some of the detail > >varies. > > > >Assuming you have the normal default config variable of ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2 > >set then Mailman will append a verbatim copy of each post to a list to that > >list's mbox archive (in > >$prefix/archives/private/.mbox/listname>.mbox) and generate an > >HTML version of the post (in a subdirectory > >of $prefix/archives/private/). > > > >If you have a bunch of historical stuff in mbox format then prepend it to > >the list's mbox archive before running $prefix/bin/arch with the --wipe > >option to generate the initial HTML archives, including the historical > stuff. > > > >The HTML archive pages are constructed using a template for which the > >English language default is $prefix/templates/en/article.html The raw email > >content (as appended to the mbox file) is massaged by MM's internal > >archiver to give an HTML page and this massaging discards most of the > >headers and may alos extract attachments and such. > > > >You cannot fully reconstruct the raw email from the Mailman HTML archive > >version of an email; that is why it is default of ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2 to > >have both mbox and HTML archives retained. > > > > > text here or > > >something to that effect. > > > > > >is there a flag that I am missing? I can't find it anywhere ./arch -h > > >tells me to just give the filename and man arch just tells me about my > > >system architecture. Is there something I have done wrong? > > > >There isn't a man page for MM's arch script; you are seeing the man page > >for the system's arch command. > > > >$prefix/bin/arch wants a list name and a UNIX mailbox file to work off and > >it constructs/reconstructs the list's HTML archives. If you do not nominate > >the mbox file then arch looks for the lists' mbox archive file in the > >default location described above. > > > >Is something missing? Depends on what you are you looking for. > > > > >TIA, > > >Adam > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > >Richard > Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ > >Mailman-Users mailing list > >Mailman-Users at python.org > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk > >Unsubscribe or change your options at > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo > .co.uk > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From adaml at jbase.com Wed Jun 4 17:43:23 2003 From: adaml at jbase.com (Adam Lipson) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:43:23 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] does arch interpret mbox files or read them literally? Message-ID: thanks!!! I guess I will have to upgrade to 2.1.x as we discussed on an earlier list the RPM install does not handle patches well. One question though. If I have another server set up running 2.1.x can it process the archives for me and then transfer the archives to the old server? IE I dread upgrading lists as I am sure I will screw it up. Thanks, Adam -----Original Message----- From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 11:33 AM To: Adam Lipson; Mailman-Users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] does arch interpret mbox files or read them literally? At 16:11 04/06/2003, Adam Lipson wrote: >Sorry for being dense, but when I run > >$prefix/bin/arch --wipe it comes up with > >option --wipe not recognized > >Is this just a function of the version of arch I have? 2.0.13 of mailman. Sorry --wipe is a MM 2.1.x feature. My mistake in jumping to the conclusion you were running MM 2.1.x I am almost certain running arch without --wipe on MM 2.0.13 will work as planned but MM 2.0.13 doesn't have the mime handling features of 2.1.2 and thus encoded stuff will show up in the HTML archive. You have a couple of choices: 1. these was an plain text patch for MM 2.0.13 which would remove MIME encoded stuff from the archives. It was available from sourceforge or I can email a copy I used with MM 2.0.13 to you. The only thing I'm uncertain about is whether it does the business when regenerating the HTML archive from the mbox. 2. upgrade to MM 2.1.2 if you can. It is stable and a lot better at some things than MM 2.0.13 >-----Original Message----- >From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] >Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 11:00 AM >To: Adam Lipson >Cc: Mailman-Users at python.org >Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] does arch interpret mbox files or read them >literally? > > >At 14:10 04/06/2003, Adam Lipson wrote: > >Richards, > > > >Thank you that is very interesting and well worth knowing. So, if one has > >an mbox file not created by mailman that they wish to create an archive > >file they must strip out all encoding somehow and make it into a txt only > >version if I follow your posting correctly. If this is the case then > >there are a few options as I see it for those of us that wish to convert > >an archive of historical emails from a previous list: > >I always figure if I explain the background people will find it easier to >understand the point I getting at. I have obviously failed in this endeavour. > >Unix malbox (mbox) format _IS_ a text file format "a classic Unix-style >mailbox, where all messages are contained in a single file and separated by >"From "(a.k.a. "From_") lines." By definition mail travels as text using >mime encoding to things that cannot survive be handled as text. > >$prefix/bin/arch processes such UNIX mailbox files and generates HTML >archives from them. > >Just do what I said in my last response. > >1. Prepend any historical mail you have in mbox format to the list's >$prefix/archives/private/.mbox/.mbox) file; just glue >the old and new together. That will give a "complete" mbox archive for the >list. > >2. Then run $prefix/bin/arch --wipe . This will generate the HTML >archive for the list. > >That is all you should need to do. > >Subsequent postings to the list will be automatically added to the list's >mbox file and its HTML archive by MM's builin archiver. > > >1) find some sort of parser that will scrub out the mime encoding > >You should not need to do that. MM 2.1.2 will deal with mime encoded >attachments in the list's mbox archive file in just the same way as it >handles them in new postings to a list. > > >2) use an alternative program for the archives. My guess is this is the > >best way to go and to use something like MHonArc that is designed for this > >and let the list server do a great job at being a list server and an > >archive management program do the archiving. > >I have nothing against MHonArc but without trying it how can you conclude >that Mailman's builtin pipermail archiver cannot meet your needs. The >process of MM ingesting existing mbox format archives is really quite >straightforward. It should be quicker than installing and setting up >MHonArc to work properly. > > >Please let me know if I did not get your message straight. > >See above. > > >Regards, > >Adam > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] > >Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 2:53 AM > >To: Adam Lipson; Mailman-Users at python.org > >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] does arch interpret mbox files or read them > >litteraly? > > > > > >At 00:17 04/06/2003, Adam Lipson wrote: > > >When I run arch I get a different format than I do from pine or elm IE > > >does arch interpret the mbox file and post the messages in the archive as > > >formatted text or does it just litteraly look for the divisions of the > > >messages and post the messages into the archive? The reason I ask is I > > >have been struggling to convert 4000+ messages from outlook, outlook > > >express, eudora, mozilla you name it to an mbox (and this I can do easily) > > >and then import that mbox into the archives or move the messages via > > >IMAP. My unix mail programs read the mbox easily and the messages appear > > >properly formatted, but when arch parses them and posts them on the web > > >page everything looks like html encoded text ie > > > >Talking MM 2.1.2 but same principle in MM 2.0.x, just some of the detail > >varies. > > > >Assuming you have the normal default config variable of ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2 > >set then Mailman will append a verbatim copy of each post to a list to that > >list's mbox archive (in > >$prefix/archives/private/.mbox/listname>.mbox) and generate an > >HTML version of the post (in a subdirectory > >of $prefix/archives/private/). > > > >If you have a bunch of historical stuff in mbox format then prepend it to > >the list's mbox archive before running $prefix/bin/arch with the --wipe > >option to generate the initial HTML archives, including the historical > stuff. > > > >The HTML archive pages are constructed using a template for which the > >English language default is $prefix/templates/en/article.html The raw email > >content (as appended to the mbox file) is massaged by MM's internal > >archiver to give an HTML page and this massaging discards most of the > >headers and may alos extract attachments and such. > > > >You cannot fully reconstruct the raw email from the Mailman HTML archive > >version of an email; that is why it is default of ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2 to > >have both mbox and HTML archives retained. > > > > > text here or > > >something to that effect. > > > > > >is there a flag that I am missing? I can't find it anywhere ./arch -h > > >tells me to just give the filename and man arch just tells me about my > > >system architecture. Is there something I have done wrong? > > > >There isn't a man page for MM's arch script; you are seeing the man page > >for the system's arch command. > > > >$prefix/bin/arch wants a list name and a UNIX mailbox file to work off and > >it constructs/reconstructs the list's HTML archives. If you do not nominate > >the mbox file then arch looks for the lists' mbox archive file in the > >default location described above. > > > >Is something missing? Depends on what you are you looking for. > > > > >TIA, > > >Adam > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > >Richard > Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ > >Mailman-Users mailing list > >Mailman-Users at python.org > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk > >Unsubscribe or change your options at > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo > .co.uk > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From raju at ksu.edu Wed Jun 4 09:48:07 2003 From: raju at ksu.edu (Padmanabha Raju. Vegesna) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:48:07 +0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I add a new list? Message-ID: <4506.141.156.178.151.1054741687.squirrel@adc.org> Hi, I have been using Mailman and when I try to add a new list to it, using ".newlist" it is creating a list with the old server. We used a web interface and all the lists created, using that version are still working. Later on we changed the server and that web interface didn't work on the rnew server. So, whenever I try to create a new list using linux by default it creates with the old server address (to be precise it is by default setting the host name to alibaba.adc.org (old server) instead of adc.org (new server)) Even, if I change the host name manually it doesnt work. Can you help me sort out this problem. Thanks in advance. -Raju From mailman at epic.org Wed Jun 4 17:49:20 2003 From: mailman at epic.org (postal worker) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:49:20 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] large admin queue kills MM Message-ID: 2.1.2 We have several lists that got ignored too long by their maintainers, and they have 100-600 requests in their pending admin request queues. But going to that URL gets you part of the list, and then the browser hangs ?waiting on the rest? I know deleting all the requests manually [rm * style) will confuse the database; so what's the right technique? From Dan at AngelFireResort.com Wed Jun 4 18:07:18 2003 From: Dan at AngelFireResort.com (Dan Jones) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:07:18 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Does anybody know anything about the footer? Message-ID: <58F4EC657CBBD6119E490090279C371E7418F4@ATLAS> I am still looking for help with the footer in Html email. Is there anybody out there who knows anything about this? Dan Jones Angel Fire Resort Angel Fire, NM 87710 505-377-4340 Dan at angelfireresort.com From phf1 at free.fr Wed Jun 4 18:41:48 2003 From: phf1 at free.fr (phf1 at free.fr) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 18:41:48 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I Modify welcome message ? Message-ID: <1054744908.3ede214c95e92@imp.free.fr> I would like to simplify the welcome message generated by Mailman. What do I have to do? A second question: the archives when they are private, they are visible, but when they are public, I get the followiong error: " Forbidden You don't have permission to access /pipermail/fede-scop/ on this server." What do I have to do to make the archives public ? Thank you Philippe From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Jun 4 18:39:44 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 17:39:44 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with mailman 2.0.13 In-Reply-To: <20020917152727.J19778@snerpa.bofh.is> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030604173630.05348a70@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 16:27 17/09/2002, ?sak Ben wrote: >Hi there. > >Im running RedHat Linux 7.2 with Sendmail 8.12.5 compiled from source and >i just compiled mailman 2.0.13 from source I cannot help with your smrsh problem but if you are installing MM from source and this is a new install then you would be better off using the latest stable MM 2.1.2 rather than the obsolescent MM 2.0.13. Good though 2.0.13 was, MM 2.1.2 is better. >This is my error: > >-- >Sep 17 14:30:19 gola smrsh: uid 25: attempt to use wrapper.post.testlisti >Sep 17 14:30:19 gola sendmail[27357]: g8HEUJhi027356: >to=|/usr/adm/sm.bin/wrapper post testlisti, ctladdr= >(8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30820, dsn=5.0.0, >stat=Service unavailable >-- > >I've tried pointing the wrapper to /usr/adm/sm.bin/, /etc/smrsh, and >/etc/mail/smrsh beucoes those dirs where all on my system and im not sure >which one to use > > >First i configured mailman to use gid 12 = mail and of course that is >wrong so i'm using gid 25 = smmsp now and wrapper doesnt give any errors >when i run it from the shell. > >Anyone been in my shoes? > >-- >?sak Ben. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Jun 4 18:41:36 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 17:41:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with mailman 2.0.13 Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030604174020.00ac7428@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Ignore this nonsense from me. My in box got mis-sorted and I only realised _after_ I hit the send button. Grrr At 16:27 17/09/2002, ?sak Ben wrote: >Hi there. > >Im running RedHat Linux 7.2 with Sendmail 8.12.5 compiled from source and >i just compiled mailman 2.0.13 from source I cannot help with your smrsh problem but if you are installing MM from source and this is a new install then you would be better off using the latest stable MM 2.1.2 rather than the obsolescent MM 2.0.13. Good though 2.0.13 was, MM 2.1.2 is better. >This is my error: > >-- >Sep 17 14:30:19 gola smrsh: uid 25: attempt to use wrapper.post.testlisti >Sep 17 14:30:19 gola sendmail[27357]: g8HEUJhi027356: >to=|/usr/adm/sm.bin/wrapper post testlisti, ctladdr= >(8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30820, dsn=5.0.0, >stat=Service unavailable >-- > >I've tried pointing the wrapper to /usr/adm/sm.bin/, /etc/smrsh, and >/etc/mail/smrsh beucoes those dirs where all on my system and im not sure >which one to use > > >First i configured mailman to use gid 12 = mail and of course that is >wrong so i'm using gid 25 = smmsp now and wrapper doesnt give any errors >when i run it from the shell. > >Anyone been in my shoes? > >-- >?sak Ben. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Jun 4 18:30:38 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 17:30:38 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] V2.1 breaks virtual hosting? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030604103840.03625610@crux.stmarys.ca> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030602195755.0399ee80@mail.openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030604160041.0531e5f0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 14:49 04/06/2003, Dave Lane wrote: >At 08:03 PM 6/2/2003 +0100, Richard Barrett wrote: > >>>DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'native.stmarys.ca' >>>DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'native.stmarys.ca' >>>DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mm21/' >>>add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) >>>add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, 'lists.domain1.ca') >>>add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, 'lists.domain2.ca') >> >>The add_virtualhost calls insert key/values into a dictionary. The key is >>the first parameter to the add_virtualhost call and the value is the >>second parameter. >> >>You are not generating three entries in the dictionary with your >>add_virtualhost calls. The effect is as if the first two were not made >>and the only virtual host you are defining is the last one. >> >>This might be part of your problem. > >Richard, > >I've tried a number of things since (as gleaned from the archives) and >mail from mailman seems to go silent as soon as I either use either >"add_virtual_host" setting or change a list to a virtual domain from the >web interface. Received mail sent to the virtual address does end up in >the digest .mbox file for the list, so it *is* receiving the virtual mail. > >In another example, after changing the domain to the virtual one, >subscribe notices aren't received -- change it back, that it works again. > >I wish the documentation actually described in detail how this works, >especially since it worked well and was easy to use in V2.0. > >... Dave Just some notes; all in respect of MM 2.1.2: 1. In Defaults.py, the DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST as determined at configure and install time are added to the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary variable declared in Defaults.py by a call to add_virtualhost(). If these values of DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST are redefined in mm_cfg.py then before you use add_virtualhost() to declare new values you probably want to insert a following statement to flush away the value set in Defaults.py: VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() 2. When a list is created two of its attributes are set: web_page_url and host_name. By default they will use DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST respectively. If you specify a URL host when creating the list (run $prefix/bin/newlist --help to see how) then the web_page_url uses that host and MM tries to set host_name to the value returned by looking up the specified host in VIRTUAL_HOSTS. If that lookup fails then host_name is set to the _same_ host as is used for web_page_url. The lookup is being controlled by the web host looking up the mail host, not the other way around. 3. Changing the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary does nothing to existing lists. If you want to change an existing list's web_page_url or host_name in response to a change in VIRTUAL_HOSTS then you must use the $prefix/bin/withlist script fix_url.py (run it to get its usage). N.B. with MM 2.0.13 you could change web_page_url on the admin GUI but you have to use fix_url.py on MM 2.1.2 4. You can change a list's host_name attribute using the "Host name this list prefers for email" field on the admin GUI general Options page. This is changing the eamil host the list wants to be associated with but NOT the web host and may well not fit with the key/values of the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary. I reckon running fix_url.py in those circumstances would loose you the change mage via the GUI. 5. Your add_virtualhosts() calls all boil down to having made only one call; the one to add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, 'lists.domain2.ca') all the others are being overwritten in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary by the following call; only the last stays in place because they are all specifying the same key value; that of DEFAULT_URL_HOST. Other thoughts: Have you checked the smtp-failure log. If perchance the host_name attribute for a list is not DNS resolving then the MTA might be refusing to accept the outgoing traffic and you may find 553 response codes recorded in log entries in the $prefix/logs/smtp-failure log. This would also show up in post and smtp logs as well as your MTA's logs so you are not likely to have missed. Apart from that I'm stumped. Be interesting to see if someone else can diagnose the problem. Let us know if you resolve the problem. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Jun 4 18:51:49 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 12:51:49 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I Modify welcome message ? In-Reply-To: <1054744908.3ede214c95e92@imp.free.fr> References: <1054744908.3ede214c95e92@imp.free.fr> Message-ID: <20030604165149.GR22489@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 phf1 at free.fr wrote: > I would like to simplify the welcome message generated by Mailman. > What do I have to do? What version of Mailman? It's slightly different in 2.0 and 2.1. I'll assume 2.1, since that's the latest stable. Check the archives for details on 2.0. Here's the explanation in the comments of Mailman/Utils.py: # When looking for a template in a specific language, there are 4 places # that are searched, in this order: # # 1. the list-specific language directory # lists// # # 2. the domain-specific language directory # templates// # # 3. the site-wide language directory # templates/site/ # # 4. the global default language directory # templates/ > A second question: the archives when they are private, they are visible, but > when they are public, I get the followiong error: > " > Forbidden > You don't have permission to access /pipermail/fede-scop/ on this server." > > What do I have to do to make the archives public ? Did you add the apache directives as the INSTALL file instructs? Something like this: Alias /pipermail/ $varprefix/archives/public/ Here's what I have for the archives in my httpd.conf: Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/ Options +FollowSymlinks HTH, - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ When you make a mistake, make amends immediately. It's easier to eat crow while it's still warm. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+3iOluv+09NZUB1oRApaIAKDb2OEd8WSUXQTeJ980bO+Gq2b5YgCg67kt tleGtZ/Cz2fnBg45gAlZnKc= =AeUY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From randy.stoecker at utoledo.edu Wed Jun 4 20:19:01 2003 From: randy.stoecker at utoledo.edu (randy.stoecker at utoledo.edu) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 14:19:01 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list owner getting attachments with authorization requests Message-ID: <3EDDFFD5.30328.BC69D3@localhost> I recently upgraded to Mailman 2.1.2 running on Redhat 9.0. I am running a moderated list. One of the differences I've noticed is that when the list-owner address is sent authorization requests for held posts that contain attachments, the attachment is now sent with the authorization request. I have all the content filters on to remove all attachments, but I guess those don't apply until messages are posted to the list itself? Is there any way I can keep attachments from arriving with list- owner authorization requests? Apologies in advance if I've missed something in the documentation or on the users list. Thanks, - From tobias at kabissa.org Wed Jun 4 19:31:44 2003 From: tobias at kabissa.org (Tobias Eigen) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 12:31:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with shunting problems - scrubber? In-Reply-To: <3EDD51D1.9010504@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> References: <1054689558.3edd4916e4532@webmail.kabissa.org> <3EDD51D1.9010504@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <1054747904.3ede2d00ee0c5@webmail.kabissa.org> Hi Tokio, > It is bad idea to copy the Defaults.py to mm_cfg.py then edit > the latter. The former may change when updating your version. I've fixed this now. Thanks for that advice. > You can get my i18n-related patch from > http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-2.1.2+patch.20030429 > > in mailman-2.1.2 dir, type > $ patch -p0 < path/to/this_patch > > then, configure, make install and restart. > > If it doesn't work, I can't help you. I've done these things, and it didn't have any noticable affect. In the end, it was this idea from a recent post by Greg Swallow that solved my problem: "However, the digest.mbox file was getting updated, so I cat /dev/null > digest.mbox and then turn off digesting, and it works." Greg: I'd be interested to know if you get the same Scrubber error messages I get in your logs/error log. I'm still getting the "broken pipe" errors on other messages that are shunting, however - does anyone have an answer for that? See excerpt from log below. Seems to be related to archiving - which is working fine otherwise. Cheers, Tobias Jun 04 12:13:02 2003 (7493) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 32] Broken pipe Jun 04 12:13:02 2003 (7493) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose mlist.ArchiveMail(msg) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 200, in ArchiveMail self.ExternalArchive(mm_cfg.PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, txt) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 172, in ExternalArchive extarch.write(txt) IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe Jun 04 12:13:02 2003 (7493) SHUNTING: 1054021486.39+1f3376c549ebb026e7494e2f96c5ea11d696c17d From abid at nacla.org Wed Jun 4 23:19:54 2003 From: abid at nacla.org (abid dar) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 17:19:54 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman v:2.1 - problem with web interface Message-ID: Greetings, Machines was restarted and I need to get mail man running again...I am running Mailman v:2.1 -> mailmanctl is running.. I can create lists... I can send messages to the list serv...but the when I click on the link to go the website site I get a error 404. Everything else is correct but for some reason all I get is error 404 no matter what I do. I am not sure what mmsitepass does but I created a new password hoping to fix it but no luck. There is something really simple I need to do but I just cant think of it. Thanks for your help. From dereks at realloc.net Thu Jun 5 00:18:33 2003 From: dereks at realloc.net (Derek Simkowiak) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 15:18:33 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords Message-ID: <3EDE7039.1020404@realloc.net> Hello, I think mailing list passwords are The Worst Thing Ever. Is there an option to disable them completely within Mailman? I'd like all user options to be confirmed via a confirmation email. Googling only gave me old or incomplete information. If this is not possible, I am willing to add this feature to Mailman if someone can tell me where to look. Thank You, Derek Simkowiak dereks at realloc dot net -- Why I Hate Mailing List Passwords By Derek Simkowiak 1. Remembering passwords is a pain in the ass. 2. We sysadmins have spent years trying to train people to NOT put passwords in emails. 3. Whenever I change any Mailman option on any list, it's a matter of 1. Go to the webpage. 2. Click "Password Reminder" 3. Back to the MUA, wait for the password, cut'n'paste, back to the web browser 4. Ergo, more pain in the assedness. Desired behaviour: Replace the "password reminder" email with a simple "confirmation" email. If you want to keep user options hidden then replace the "Password Reminder" button with a "Email me my options page URL" button, which emails the user a URL with an embedded cookie. Benefits: 1. More secure (no password to get stolen, you must have access to the Inbox to change user options -- like it should be). 2. No more mailing list "password" to confuse endusers ("Is that the same as my email password?" "Why won't my password work?" "Can you change my password?" "I never got my password...", "What CAPS LOCK button?", "I want [X] as my password", "I'll just use my [HIGHLY SENSITIVE] password that I use at work.", etc. You admins know what I'm talking about here.) 3. No more retarded cut'n'paste bullshit From diamond at dstc.edu.au Thu Jun 5 00:37:55 2003 From: diamond at dstc.edu.au (Andrew Diamond) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 22:37:55 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timestamp problems with pipermail. Message-ID: <1054766240.1330.11.camel@blade.dstc.edu.au> Mail sent to my lists from my Linux machine using Evolution is archived with the wrong time. It is subtracting the +1000 in, "Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:09:29 +1000 (EST)" in the header and archiving it with that time. Has anyone seen this before and knows how to fix it? Thanks, Andrew From dallas at dreamhost.com Thu Jun 5 01:06:23 2003 From: dallas at dreamhost.com (Dallas Bethune) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 16:06:23 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman v:2.1 - problem with web interface In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A 404 error is 'File not Found' and has nothing to do with mailman. Check your apache configuration and make sure all the mailman stuff is in there. Maybe the apache server that comes up on startup is not the same as the one that was running before the machine was restarted. Dallas On 6/4/03 2:19pm, "abid dar" wrote: > Greetings, > Machines was restarted and I need to get mail man running again...I am > running Mailman v:2.1 -> mailmanctl is running.. I can create lists... I can > send messages to the list serv...but the when I click on the link to go the > website site I get a error 404. Everything else is correct but for some > reason all I get is error 404 no matter what I do. I am not sure what > mmsitepass does but I created a new password hoping to fix it but no luck. > There is something really simple I need to do but I just cant think of it. > Thanks for your help. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: dallas at dreamhost.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/dallas%40dreamhost.com > > From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu Jun 5 01:06:39 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 00:06:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timestamp problems with pipermail. In-Reply-To: <1054766240.1330.11.camel@blade.dstc.edu.au> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030605000541.03c26850@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 23:37 04/06/2003, Andrew Diamond wrote: >Mail sent to my lists from my Linux machine using Evolution is archived >with the wrong time. It is subtracting the +1000 in, "Thu, 5 Jun 2003 >08:09:29 +1000 (EST)" in the header and archiving it with that time. Has >anyone seen this before and knows how to fix it? > >Thanks, > Andrew This patch may be the one you need if you are using MM 2.1.2: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=732366&group_id=103&atid=100103 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From russ at viz.com Thu Jun 5 01:24:33 2003 From: russ at viz.com (Russell Uman) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:24:33 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] per user strip mime preference Message-ID: <035501c32af0$74c040a0$4d01a8c0@viz.com> howdy. the only mention i've been able to find of a feature like this is http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-April/019301.html does anyone have an add-on, modification, or recipe for adding a strip mime user preference to mailman 2.1? thanks! From dallas at dreamhost.com Thu Jun 5 01:30:30 2003 From: dallas at dreamhost.com (Dallas Bethune) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 16:30:30 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] header problems with the mailpasswords cron Message-ID: One of our users has reported that the headers for the montly password reminder email had incorrect headers like so: Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 05:26:52 -0700 Subject: lists.domain1.dreamhost.com mailing list memberships reminder From: mailman-owner at lists.dreamhost.com To: user at domain.com X-No-Archive: yes X-Ack: no Sender: domain2.com-admin at lists.domain2.com X-BeenThere: domain2.com at lists.domain2.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 I haven't posted the actual headers to protect the privacy of the users, and have instead replaced the original domain names with domain1 and domain2. Note that the 2 domains are in no way related other than the fact that we host both of the lists on our shared mailman installation. Why would the Sender and X-BeenThere headers show a completely different domain? The From is correct and shows the 'lists.dreamhost.com' domain, which is set up as the DEFAULT_HOST_NAME. I checked the faqs and didn't see anything about this. What sets the Sender and X-BeenThere headers? The mailpasswords cron script does not mention those headers. Dallas From ben at videonetwork.org Thu Jun 5 01:57:28 2003 From: ben at videonetwork.org (Ben Edwards) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 00:57:28 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ver 2.1.2 setting modiration Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030605005358.035e8190@mail.videonetwork.org> Just installed Mailman 2.1.2. Probably being thick but I have looked through all the admin pages and cant find where to set moderation policy. I.e. members can only post, posts moderated etc. When I post a message I get the following: You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at mailman-owner at serverone.co.uk. Regards, Ben **************************************************************** * Ben Edwards Tel +44 (0)1179 553 551 ICQ 42000477 * * Critical Site Builder http://www.criticaldistribution.com * * online collaborative web authoring content management system * * Get alt news/views films online http://www.cultureshop.org * * i-Contact Progressive Video http://www.videonetwork.org * * Fun corporate graphics http://www.subvertise.org * * Bristol Indymedia http://bristol.indymedia.org * * Bristol's radical news http://www.bristle.org.uk * **************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 01/06/2003 From adaml at jbase.com Thu Jun 5 02:37:02 2003 From: adaml at jbase.com (Adam Lipson) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:37:02 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ver 2.1.2 setting modiration Message-ID: Ben, I am running a slightly older version of mailman, but in the admin pages, privacy option page there is a flag called "Must posts be approved by an administrator?" I have set this to yes and it works great for a moderated list I run. Perhaps this option is called something different in 2.1.2 but check there. Adam -----Original Message----- From: Ben Edwards [mailto:ben at videonetwork.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 7:57 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ver 2.1.2 setting modiration Just installed Mailman 2.1.2. Probably being thick but I have looked through all the admin pages and cant find where to set moderation policy. I.e. members can only post, posts moderated etc. When I post a message I get the following: You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at mailman-owner at serverone.co.uk. Regards, Ben **************************************************************** * Ben Edwards Tel +44 (0)1179 553 551 ICQ 42000477 * * Critical Site Builder http://www.criticaldistribution.com * * online collaborative web authoring content management system * * Get alt news/views films online http://www.cultureshop.org * * i-Contact Progressive Video http://www.videonetwork.org * * Fun corporate graphics http://www.subvertise.org * * Bristol Indymedia http://bristol.indymedia.org * * Bristol's radical news http://www.bristle.org.uk * **************************************************************** From ben at videonetwork.org Thu Jun 5 02:58:45 2003 From: ben at videonetwork.org (Ben Edwards) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 01:58:45 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ver 2.1.2 setting modiration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030605015750.034aee70@mail.videonetwork.org> I guess it must be different in older versions, anyone running 2.1.2? If so where is the moderation option? Ta, Ben At 20:37 04/06/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Ben, > >I am running a slightly older version of mailman, but in the admin pages, >privacy option page there is a flag called "Must posts be approved by an >administrator?" I have set this to yes and it works great for a moderated >list I run. Perhaps this option is called something different in 2.1.2 >but check there. > >Adam > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ben Edwards [mailto:ben at videonetwork.org] >Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 7:57 PM >To: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ver 2.1.2 setting modiration > > >Just installed Mailman 2.1.2. Probably being thick but I have looked >through all the admin pages and cant find where to set moderation >policy. I.e. members can only post, posts moderated etc. When I post a >message I get the following: > >You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has >been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are >being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at >mailman-owner at serverone.co.uk. > >Regards, >Ben > >**************************************************************** >* Ben Edwards Tel +44 (0)1179 553 551 ICQ 42000477 * >* Critical Site Builder http://www.criticaldistribution.com * >* online collaborative web authoring content management system * >* Get alt news/views films online http://www.cultureshop.org * >* i-Contact Progressive Video http://www.videonetwork.org * >* Fun corporate graphics http://www.subvertise.org * >* Bristol Indymedia http://bristol.indymedia.org * >* Bristol's radical news http://www.bristle.org.uk * >**************************************************************** > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 01/06/2003 **************************************************************** * Ben Edwards Tel +44 (0)1179 553 551 ICQ 42000477 * * Critical Site Builder http://www.criticaldistribution.com * * online collaborative web authoring content management system * * Get alt news/views films online http://www.cultureshop.org * * i-Contact Progressive Video http://www.videonetwork.org * * Fun corporate graphics http://www.subvertise.org * * Bristol Indymedia http://bristol.indymedia.org * * Bristol's radical news http://www.bristle.org.uk * **************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 01/06/2003 From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Thu Jun 5 03:19:04 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 21:19:04 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ver 2.1.2 setting modiration In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030605015750.034aee70@mail.videonetwork.org> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030605015750.034aee70@mail.videonetwork.org> Message-ID: <20030605011904.GB1635@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ben Edwards wrote: > I guess it must be different in older versions, anyone running 2.1.2? If > so where is the moderation option? The option to set or unset all members moderation bit is on the Membership Management page. To fine tune the settings for moderations, look at Privacy options -> Subscription rules. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ The law will never make men free; it is men who have got to make the law free. -- Henry David Thoreau -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+3pqIuv+09NZUB1oRArihAJ9Il9KTwNjCznVTZRTkAw7LF46tsQCfRGQj R+rWqIM+Rpuhx/H3wPG/co0= =9Gd2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From miles at mail.utexas.edu Thu Jun 5 04:07:39 2003 From: miles at mail.utexas.edu (Miles Abernathy) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 21:07:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virus or Worm Protection? Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20030604210452.03949b70@mail.utexas.edu> Sorry for the newbie question, but is there any way to protect subscribers from virus- or worm-laden emails passing through Mailman 2.0.13 or newer? Thank you! From kevin at flyingember.com Thu Jun 5 06:32:06 2003 From: kevin at flyingember.com (Kevin Carlyle) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 23:32:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] receiving email Message-ID: <006d01c32b1b$6d505b40$0401a8c0@kevinlaptop> I have mailman setup. I also have a user by the same name as the list. It's currently receiving all email meant for the list. Is this even needed? How do I connect the email address to the mailing list? It seems like the email isn't even getting to mailman for sending. Rh 9 Postfix Mailman 2.1.2 >From reading /scripts/post, I need to filter the mailinglistname alias to the program through the mail wrapper. How do I do that? From rcook at wyrms.net Thu Jun 5 06:37:07 2003 From: rcook at wyrms.net (Robin Cook) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 04:37:07 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman was working now it's not.... I am getting this in the logs.... Message-ID: <1054787781.19704.127.camel@pheuri> Mailman was up and running and now it has quit working and the below is what is in the logs... All other mail seems to be going in and out fine. /var/spool/mailman/logs/smtp Jun 04 23:21:59 2003 (7145) All recipients refused: (110, 'Connection timed out') Jun 04 23:21:59 2003 (7145) All recipients refused: please run connect() first Jun 04 23:25:08 2003 (7145) All recipients refused: (110, 'Connection timed out') Jun 04 23:25:08 2003 (7145) <138454502490.20030604220957 at wyrms.net> smtp for 333 recips, completed in 378.013 seconds smtp (END) /var/spool/mailman/logs/smtp-failure Jun 04 23:32:03 2003 (7145) delivery to rcook at wyrms.net failed with code -1: ignore /var/spool/mailman/logs/post Jun 04 23:25:08 2003 (7145) post to sasm-announce from sasm-announce-bounces at wyrms.net, size=2263, message-id=<138454502490.20030604220957 at wyrms.net>, 333 failures Jun 04 23:32:03 2003 (7145) post to sasm-announce from sasm-announce-bounces at wyrms.net, size=1753, message-id=, 1 failures Robin Cook From phf1 at free.fr Thu Jun 5 09:23:10 2003 From: phf1 at free.fr (phf1 at free.fr) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 09:23:10 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I Modify welcome message ? Message-ID: <1054797790.3edeefde9aeab@imp.free.fr> Thank you for the first question, I will try to find what I'm looking for. For the second question (why I can see archives when they are private but not when they are public), here is my httpd.conf: I don't understand why I still get this "forbidden error". ServerName mailman.xx.com DocumentRoot /home/mailman/templates/fr/ AddHandler cgi-script * ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/ User mailman Group mailman AddDefaultCharset Off Options FollowSymLinks order allow,deny allow from all Thank you ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 phf1 at free.fr wrote: > I would like to simplify the welcome message generated by Mailman. > What do I have to do? What version of Mailman? It's slightly different in 2.0 and 2.1. I'll assume 2.1, since that's the latest stable. Check the archives for details on 2.0. Here's the explanation in the comments of Mailman/Utils.py: # When looking for a template in a specific language, there are 4 places # that are searched, in this order: # # 1. the list-specific language directory # lists// # # 2. the domain-specific language directory # templates// # # 3. the site-wide language directory # templates/site/ # # 4. the global default language directory # templates/ > A second question: the archives when they are private, they are visible, but > when they are public, I get the followiong error: > " > Forbidden > You don't have permission to access /pipermail/fede-scop/ on this server." > > What do I have to do to make the archives public ? Did you add the apache directives as the INSTALL file instructs? Something like this: Alias /pipermail/ $varprefix/archives/public/ Here's what I have for the archives in my httpd.conf: Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/ Options +FollowSymlinks HTH, - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ When you make a mistake, make amends immediately. It's easier to eat crow while it's still warm. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+3iOluv+09NZUB1oRApaIAKDb2OEd8WSUXQTeJ980bO+Gq2b5YgCg67kt tleGtZ/Cz2fnBg45gAlZnKc= =AeUY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: phf1 at free.fr Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/phf1%40free.fr From guallar at easternrad.com Thu Jun 5 13:20:16 2003 From: guallar at easternrad.com (Josep L. Guallar-Esteve) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 07:20:16 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virus or Worm Protection? In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20030604210452.03949b70@mail.utexas.edu> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20030604210452.03949b70@mail.utexas.edu> Message-ID: <200306050720.16972.guallar@easternrad.com> On Wednesday 04 June 2003 10:07 pm, Miles Abernathy wrote: > Sorry for the newbie question, but is there any way to protect subscribers > from virus- or worm-laden emails passing through Mailman 2.0.13 or newer? > > Thank you! I know of virus scanners... that act on the MTA part, like RAV and others. I've never heard of an anti-virus that works with the mailing software. The system that I have includes mailman plus Postfix + RAV. It works pretty well, as all emails to mailman go through Postfix+RAV. This catches any undesired virus defined in RAV's knowledgebase. Regards, Josep -- Josep L. Guallar-Esteve Eastern Radiologists, Inc. Systems and Network Administration http://www.easternrad.com From nb at cisto.com Thu Jun 5 14:30:48 2003 From: nb at cisto.com (Norbert Bollow) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:30:48 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords In-Reply-To: <3EDE7039.1020404@realloc.net> (message from Derek Simkowiak on Wed, 04 Jun 2003 15:18:33 -0700) References: <3EDE7039.1020404@realloc.net> Message-ID: <20030605123048.B5F1C38C84@quill.cisto.com> Derek Simkowiak wrote: > I think mailing list passwords are The Worst Thing Ever. Here is what I'd like to see: Everyone who uses Mailman's web-based interface (at a particular virtual host) would get a choice of two authentication methods: * authentication via password (similar to what we have today with the difference that for each email address there would be only one password, not multiple passwords (like there are today for people who are subscribed to multiple lists). * authentication via cookies: Put a "passcode" into a never-expiring cookie and send a confirmation email to the user with an URL to visit. People who access Mailman from multiple PCs need to go through this authentication procedure multiple times. If someone has moderator or list-owner privileges, I'd like the chosen authentication method to also work for that. Greetings, Norbert. -- Founder & Steering Committee member of http://gnu.org/projects/dotgnu/ Free Software Business Strategy Guide ---> http://FreeStrategy.info Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet (near Zurich, Switzerland) Tel +41 1 972 20 59 Fax +41 1 972 20 69 http://norbert.ch From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk Thu Jun 5 14:54:42 2003 From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 12:54:42 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords In-Reply-To: <3EDE7039.1020404@realloc.net> References: <3EDE7039.1020404@realloc.net> Message-ID: <1054817676.14003.19.camel@angua.localnet> On Wed, 2003-06-04 at 23:18, Derek Simkowiak wrote: > Replace the "password reminder" email with a simple "confirmation" > email. If you want to keep user options hidden then replace the > "Password Reminder" button with a "Email me my options page URL" button, > which emails the user a URL with an embedded cookie. Its a password! OK, it can be made time limited (how long though) and stuff like that, but its still really a password :-) I like the idea, except it needs to be expanded so that web access is not required - you should be able to do this all by email too. Maybe - if the installation handles VERP-like addressing - the cookie can be made part of the sender address so a reply (from a sane MUA - we aren't going to bend over backwards for the criminally insane here) would be pre-authenticated - again with time limits and stuff (a day or so is OK, a month isn't). However if we do this sort of magic then we need to handle the worst that stupid MTAs come up with for bounces. Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From fready01 at rediffmail.com Thu Jun 5 16:13:54 2003 From: fready01 at rediffmail.com (jhony fready dcosta) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:13:54 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <20030605041953.30347.qmail@webmail6.rediffmail.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030605/157a1fc9/attachment.asc From fready01 at rediffmail.com Thu Jun 5 16:13:56 2003 From: fready01 at rediffmail.com (jhony fready dcosta) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:13:56 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to avoid auto-generated headers in mailman version 2.0.13 Message-ID: <20030605042421.29677.qmail@webmail8.rediffmail.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030605/5e6d5f3c/attachment.pot From dll at scitools.com Thu Jun 5 16:29:32 2003 From: dll at scitools.com (Dan Leavitt) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:29:32 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] OutgoingRunner very busy References: <20030605041953.30347.qmail@webmail6.rediffmail.com> Message-ID: <074401c32b6e$e1cb7470$170aa8c0@DELL> Suddenly my OutgoingRunner is very busy, consuming 99% of my CPU but I can't determine what it's busy doing. The only recent changes to the system were the addition of some lists, one with 30k members but they're moderated lists and there have been no posts to any of them. Can someone give me an idea what to look for and how to debug this? I've started the qrunners individually and found the OutgoingRunner is the problem. There are no files in qfiles/out. I started OutgoingRunner with the --verbose flag but it reports nothing other than "qrunner started" in the logfiles. Thanks, Dan From sysmda at zim.gsu.edu Thu Jun 5 17:12:58 2003 From: sysmda at zim.gsu.edu (Mike Alberghini) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:12:58 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnpicklingError: could not find MARK??? Message-ID: <20030605111258.A25596@zim.gsu.edu> While trying to accept and reject postings in the admin interface, one of my users got the following error: Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/apps/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/apps/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 212, in main show_message_requests(mlist, form, msgid) File "/apps/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 521, in show_message_requests show_post_requests(mlist, id, info, 1, 1, form) File "/apps/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 554, in show_post_requests msg = readMessage(os.path.join(mm_cfg.DATA_DIR, filename)) File "/apps/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 576, in readMessage msg = cPickle.load(fp) UnpicklingError: could not find MARK I'm quite stumped as to what the error at the bottom means. Any suggestions? Basic info: Mailman 2.1 running on a Sun X1 running Solaris 8. Any help will be greatly appreciated. thanks. -- Michael Alberghini Software Systems Engineer Georgia State University mike at gsu.edu From ben at videonetwork.org Thu Jun 5 17:50:19 2003 From: ben at videonetwork.org (Ben Edwards) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:50:19 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not allowed to post Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030605164901.039ceb50@mail.videonetwork.org> Set up a new list and when I try to post get the following message. You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at mailman-owner at serverone.co.uk. Could someone please let me know the possible reasons for this. It is a new mailman install so it may not be working properly. Ben **************************************************************** * Ben Edwards Tel +44 (0)1179 553 551 ICQ 42000477 * * Critical Site Builder http://www.criticaldistribution.com * * online collaborative web authoring content management system * * Get alt news/views films online http://www.cultureshop.org * * i-Contact Progressive Video http://www.videonetwork.org * * Fun corporate graphics http://www.subvertise.org * * Bristol Indymedia http://bristol.indymedia.org * * Bristol's radical news http://www.bristle.org.uk * **************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 01/06/2003 From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Thu Jun 5 18:01:39 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:01:39 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not allowed to post In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030605164901.039ceb50@mail.videonetwork.org> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030605164901.039ceb50@mail.videonetwork.org> Message-ID: <20030605160139.GM1635@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ben Edwards wrote: > Set up a new list and when I try to post get the following message. > > You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has > been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are > being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at > mailman-owner at serverone.co.uk. > > Could someone please let me know the possible reasons for this. It is a > new mailman install so it may not be working properly. You're likely posting from an address that's not subscribed to the list and the list is set to reject posts from non-members. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insignificant premises -- Samuel Butler -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+32ljuv+09NZUB1oRAmY4AJ9pZfNEH/ekIXrrPHxHkbj9HTeEGwCgxXmR RulBapEfll+eftqZi1UXHkc= =cNbk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ben at videonetwork.org Thu Jun 5 18:22:34 2003 From: ben at videonetwork.org (Ben Edwards) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 17:22:34 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not allowed to post In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030605105936.02e25b50@mail.utexas.edu> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030605164901.039ceb50@mail.videonetwork.org> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030605172157.03985988@mail.videonetwork.org> No i'me subscribed and have moirator bit set. At 11:00 05/06/2003 -0500, Miles Abernathy wrote: >Perhaps you are not subscribed yet to your own list? > >At 04:50 PM 6/5/2003 +0100, you wrote: >>Set up a new list and when I try to post get the following message. >> >>You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has >>been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are >>being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at >>mailman-owner at serverone.co.uk. >> >>Could someone please let me know the possible reasons for this. It is a >>new mailman install so it may not be working properly. >> >>Ben >> >>**************************************************************** >>* Ben Edwards Tel +44 (0)1179 553 551 ICQ 42000477 * >>* Critical Site Builder http://www.criticaldistribution.com * >>* online collaborative web authoring content management system * >>* Get alt news/views films online http://www.cultureshop.org * >>* i-Contact Progressive Video http://www.videonetwork.org * >>* Fun corporate graphics http://www.subvertise.org * >>* Bristol Indymedia http://bristol.indymedia.org * >>* Bristol's radical news http://www.bristle.org.uk * >>**************************************************************** >> >> >> >>--- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 01/06/2003 >>------------------------------------------------------ >>Mailman-Users mailing list >>Mailman-Users at python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >>This message was sent to: miles at mail.utexas.edu >>Unsubscribe or change your options at >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/miles%40mail.utexas.edu > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 01/06/2003 **************************************************************** * Ben Edwards Tel +44 (0)1179 553 551 ICQ 42000477 * * Critical Site Builder http://www.criticaldistribution.com * * online collaborative web authoring content management system * * Get alt news/views films online http://www.cultureshop.org * * i-Contact Progressive Video http://www.videonetwork.org * * Fun corporate graphics http://www.subvertise.org * * Bristol Indymedia http://bristol.indymedia.org * * Bristol's radical news http://www.bristle.org.uk * **************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 01/06/2003 From marklh at norcoast.com Fri Jun 6 00:15:26 2003 From: marklh at norcoast.com (Mark LaHaie) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 15:15:26 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem posting to newsgroup - additional info Message-ID: <3EDFC0FE.8010408@norcoast.com> Hi, Some additional info from the mailman error log re: my earlier email noting problem posting to newsgroup from mailman Mailman ver 2.0.13 running on Verio Virtual Private Server : FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE (vkern) #9 We have a Maillist ( named ' rays_general') and a Newsgroup ( named " General " ) created on the VPS Error when submitting more than one email at a time to the maillist - which has no subscribers - but is configured to post the email to the newsgroup. Usually, one email gets posted, others get lost. Error below from the mailman error log. If anyone can assist with any patches, configuration to allow multiple emails to arrive at the same time and be processed, please advise, THANKS!! Mark L marklh @ norcoast.com Error lines from log: Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 (40280) (ToUsenet) NNTP error for list "rays_general": 440 I/O Error - cannot get a temporay posting file Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 (40280) (ToUsenet) Message-ID: Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 qrunner(40280): Traceback (most recent call last): Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 qrunner(40280): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToUsenet.py", line 60, in process Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 qrunner(40280): do_child(mlist, msg) Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 qrunner(40280): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToUsenet.py", line 201, in do_child Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 qrunner(40280): conn.quit() Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 qrunner(40280): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 512, in quit Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 qrunner(40280): resp = self.shortcmd('QUIT') Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 qrunner(40280): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 210, in shortcmd Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 qrunner(40280): return self.getresp() Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 qrunner(40280): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 186, in getresp Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 qrunner(40280): raise NNTPPermanentError(resp) Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 qrunner(40280): NNTPPermanentError: 500 Command not recognized Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 qrunner(40276): Traceback (most recent call last): Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 qrunner(40276): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToUsenet.py", line 60, in process Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 qrunner(40276): do_child(mlist, msg) Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 qrunner(40276): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToUsenet.py", line 201, in do_child Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 qrunner(40276): conn.quit() Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 qrunner(40276): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 512, in quit Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 qrunner(40276): resp = self.shortcmd('QUIT') Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 qrunner(40276): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 210, in shortcmd Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 qrunner(40276): return self.getresp() Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 qrunner(40276): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 180, in getresp Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 qrunner(40276): resp = self.getline() Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 qrunner(40276): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 172, in getline Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 qrunner(40276): if not line: raise EOFError Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 qrunner(40276): EOFError ****************** From marklh at norcoast.com Thu Jun 5 23:42:37 2003 From: marklh at norcoast.com (Mark LaHaie) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:42:37 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem posting to newsgroups w/ mailman Message-ID: <3EDFB94D.5050606@norcoast.com> Hi, We experiencing a problem with mailman version 2.0.13 , while using it's ability to post to a newsgorup We are running mailman on a Virtual Private Server at our hosted account at Verio.com that is running FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE (VKERN) #9 We have created a newsgroup on our Virtual private server. We have a mail list created with no users, and have it configured to post any email it receives to the newsgroup. The feature works, EXCEPT when I purposely submit two to three emails to the maillist at the same time ( because this could easily happen in our scenario ). About 75% of the time, only one of two emails posts to the newsgroup. The other times - the 2nd ( and even 3rd) emails do not make it to the newsgroup.- and I don't know where they go? Verio Tech support has watched their logs, and sees the emails arrive, and SENDMAIL hands them to the script that is supposed to submit the email to the maillist - the alias script is: ==> "|usr/local/mailman/wrapper post rays_general" ( where ' rays_general is the name of the maillist we created ". I have conducted the test enough times to know the failure occurs the majority of the time - but not every time - with no pattern of failure. I am NOT knowledgeable in Unix or Mailman, but if this situation is a known anomaly that I can fix with any configuration parameters, patches, etc. - I would REALLY appreciate it as we NEED this feature to be reliable. I can be reached at: marklh @ norcoast.com, or markl @ aracnet.com - 503.693.3109 If someone knows of a script that can be custom written - to post an email directly to the newsgroup - and not even use ' mailman' - we can contract that work. Thanks in advance. Mark L From David.Whitehurst at iSKY.com Tue Jun 3 20:14:05 2003 From: David.Whitehurst at iSKY.com (David.Whitehurst at iSKY.com) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:14:05 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on membership drop ... Message-ID: Hi: I am using Mailman at home on a redhat linux machine for a software project. Everything was working fine, but now I don't get anything to my Comcast account (POP) from any of my laptop internet connections. I do use Comcast, in fact, my home server running Mailman is on Comcast. I shouldn't just stop getting POP mails, however, to my laptop (subscriber). Do you know if possibly Mailman has a problem or would my Comcast account stop taking my Mailman mails across all the hop addresses? I can send from my linux box directly using ELM to my POP account. Any clues, Thanks, David Senior Web Developer - SkyCare Project iSKY http://www.isky.com David.Whitehurst at isky.com 240-456-4383 From spcecdt at armory.com Tue Jun 3 20:12:46 2003 From: spcecdt at armory.com (John H. DuBois III) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:12:46 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting messages held for approval In-Reply-To: <3545F88C-8D4D-11D7-B68B-000393012174@uci.edu> References: <1053658260.2920.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3545F88C-8D4D-11D7-B68B-000393012174@uci.edu> Message-ID: <20030603181246.GA21466@armory.com> I agree, that'd be a really nice feature. On the lists I admin, "delete all held messages" is almost always the action I want to take. John On Fri, May 23, 2003 at 11:34:37AM -0700, Con Wieland wrote: > Thanks for the reply. I had figured this out. I'm sorry I didn't fully > explain. We have a large number of lists on our server and I wanted > something for the individual list admins, maybe something in the web > interface (I'm not up on python enough to do it myself and I really > didn't want to hack the code)...... ahhh dreams ... > > now go back and enjoy your vacation!!! > > Con > > On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 07:51 PM, Jon Carnes wrote: > > >If you are handy at the Command line, you can log-in to the server and > >delete the files: > > ~mailman/data/held-msg* > > > >Then when you run the web-admindb for the list, it will automatically > >update the request.db for the list and see that those messages are no > >longer waiting. -- John DuBois spcecdt at armory.com KC6QKZ/AE http://www.armory.com/~spcecdt/ From ring at msre.us Wed Jun 4 04:23:52 2003 From: ring at msre.us (Lee Ring) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 22:23:52 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to automatically unsubscribe Message-ID: <003801c32a40$5ac24320$6401a8c0@server> I cannot find in the documentation how someone unsubscribe from a list by sending an e-mail request for the action. Please help. Lee From John_Knutson at candle.com Wed Jun 4 18:22:22 2003 From: John_Knutson at candle.com (John_Knutson at candle.com) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:22:22 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Windows Message-ID: Hi, I run a zope/zwiki site and want to extend the list support with Mailman. My system runs on Windows but all of the doc suggests it only runs on Unix. Will it run on Windows? If so, is is there anything special to do? If it doesn't support Winodws, is that likely to change any time soon? Cheers, John Knutson Candle Corporation From w0yk at msn.com Wed Jun 4 20:19:31 2003 From: w0yk at msn.com (J. Edward (Ed) Muns) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:19:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic Unsubscribes Message-ID: At exactly 7:00am on each of the past 5 days (31 May, 1-4 June), a different batch of subscribers have been unsubcribed from a list I administer using Mailman. I receive a message from Mailman for each of them, but there is no information about why they were unsubscribed or who initiated it. I've had this happen in the past with other lists I manage under Mailman. What do you think is going on and how do I fix it? Thanks, Ed Muns From paul at cnt.org Wed Jun 4 22:32:26 2003 From: paul at cnt.org (Paul Smith) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 15:32:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not being sent Message-ID: Hi, I'm running Mailman 2.1.1 on a FreeBSD 4.8 server, with Sendmail as the MTA. It's installed from the Ports collection. We've been experiencing a problem were a user posts to a list, and the message is not delivered right away. From the mail logs, we can see that the post is being processed by the mailman executable, and the post is added to the archives. However, the post does not actually seem to get delivered. We discovered this after restarting the qrunners from an init script: suddenly, a whole bunch of posts went out, as if they had been queued for later delivery. In fact, for important broadcast posts, we've gotten in the habit of manually restarting the qrunners to make sure they go out. Mailman logs show no errors that would seem to apply to this situation. Any advice? What should I be looking for? Is there a way to periodic force the queue to be delivered? Cheers, Paul -- Paul Smith Webmaster/Systems Administrator Center for Neighborhood Technology Chicago, IL USA From jburnett at xerosystems.com Thu Jun 5 16:51:50 2003 From: jburnett at xerosystems.com (Jim Burnett) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:51:50 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How does it work? and cant create list from web Message-ID: <1054824813.23029.18.camel@jim-linux-ws> How does mailman tie in with my current mail server? How does my mail server know to send the email to the mailman ? And, I can't create new lists from the web interface. Never accepts my password. -Jim From jburnett at xerosystems.com Thu Jun 5 16:57:37 2003 From: jburnett at xerosystems.com (Jim Burnett) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:57:37 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing the mail host? Message-ID: <1054825050.23029.21.camel@jim-linux-ws> In my Defaults.py file I changed my email host, but when someone subscribes it still comes from the same as the URL host. How do I make the email come from the Email host as specified in the config file ? All email shows up as listname at www.mydomain.com I should show up as listname at mydomain.com DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mydomain.com' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.mydomain.com' -Jim From colin at mackinlay.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 6 00:05:02 2003 From: colin at mackinlay.demon.co.uk (Colin Mackinlay) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:05:02 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTDIG patches reprieved (was HTDIG patches! Arghh!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In on Tue 03 Jun, Brian Miller wrote: > | I want to thank you for this rethought. The htdig integration is something > | that is definitely important to me on many fronts. Double ditto! Don't be fooled by the lack of response into thinking your patches aren't used. They work so well that there is almost never any need to look at what MM lists for help with them. Ditto mailman. Lots of listmans don't need to read everything on -users let alone -developers since everything works so well. We really appreciate the time that some people spend helping out with answers on the lists. (On the occasions when I have felt expert enough to offer a reply I have usually found two or three others have got there first!) I am continually impressed by the number of websites I visit that run mailman and I know that lots of them use your patch. Thank you for re-thinking and I do hope that it becomes fully integrated into a future release to save you having to update something that isn't broken. Colin -- Colin Mackinlay From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Jun 6 08:27:09 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 07:27:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing the mail host? In-Reply-To: <1054825050.23029.21.camel@jim-linux-ws> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030606072314.0396d498@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 15:57 05/06/2003, Jim Burnett wrote: >In my Defaults.py file I changed my email host, but when someone >subscribes it still comes from the same as the URL host. How do I make >the email come from the Email host as specified in the config file ? >All email shows up as listname at www.mydomain.com > >I should show up as listname at mydomain.com > > >DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mydomain.com' >DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.mydomain.com' > Assuming you are using Mailman 2.1.x Running the $prefix/bin/withlist script fix_url.py to update an existing list should do the job. If it is just the email host that is chnaged then there is an option to change a list's preferred mail host on the General Options page of the list's admin web GUI, >-Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Jun 6 08:36:15 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 07:36:15 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How does it work? and cant create list from web In-Reply-To: <1054824813.23029.18.camel@jim-linux-ws> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030606072855.0397f2d0@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 15:53 05/06/2003, Jim Burnett wrote: >How does mailman tie in with my current mail server? How does my mail >server know to send the email to the mailman ? Usually the mail alias definitions output by the list creation process do the job. You must have an MTA such as Sendmail or Postfix running on your Mailman server. The mail alias definitions refer to a Mailman delivery script to be run by the MTA on your Mailman server when it has incoming email for one of a list's aliases. >And, I can't create new lists from the web interface. Never accepts my >password. Assuming you are running MM 2.1.x Are you using the MM site password or did you define a list creation password by $prefix/bin/mmsitepass with the -c option and use that? >-Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From jwt at OnJapan.net Fri Jun 6 09:19:16 2003 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:19:16 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to avoid auto-generated headers in mailman version 2.0.13 In-Reply-To: <20030605042421.29677.qmail@webmail8.rediffmail.com> References: <20030605042421.29677.qmail@webmail8.rediffmail.com> Message-ID: <20030606071916.GE25882@server.onjapan.net> On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 04:24:21AM -0000, jhony fready dcosta wrote: > Whenever we post any mail to our list, the mails are always > having some headers (pasted at the bottom of this mail) at the top > of the mails. I checked all the admin options, but couldn't find > anything to get my work done. My mailman version is 2.0.13 With Mailman 2.1.x, you can do it with the click of a checkbox. With Mailman 2.0.13, I think you will need to eliminate the unwanted List-* headers from the headers dictionary in Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py (NB That will affect *all* of the lists served by that Mailman.) > * Reply-to: goanet at goanet.org To eliminate the Reply-to header, set "Where are replies to list messages directed?" to Poster on the General Options page of each list. From jwt at OnJapan.net Fri Jun 6 09:30:24 2003 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:30:24 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem posting to newsgroup - additional info In-Reply-To: <3EDFC0FE.8010408@norcoast.com> References: <3EDFC0FE.8010408@norcoast.com> Message-ID: <20030606073024.GF25882@server.onjapan.net> On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 03:15:26PM -0700, Mark LaHaie wrote: > Error when submitting more than one email at a time to the maillist - > which has no subscribers - but is configured to post the email to the > newsgroup. Usually, one email gets posted, others get lost. > [...] > Jun 05 14:17:01 2003 (40280) (ToUsenet) NNTP error for list > "rays_general": 440 I/O Error - cannot get a temporay posting file This is an error from your news server that Mailman is logging. Any clues in the news server logs? (Do you have some connection limits or posting rate limiting in place on the news server?) From phf1 at free.fr Fri Jun 6 11:10:56 2003 From: phf1 at free.fr (phf1 at free.fr) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:10:56 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] No access to public archives Message-ID: <1054890656.3ee05aa05a0fc@imp.free.fr> Hello, I don't understand why do I have access to archives when they are private but not when they are public ( I get a "Forbidden You don't have permission to access ..." error) I found that in archives/public I had no link to the private archives of this list, so I made a ln -s , but it did not resolve my problem. That was yesterday, today the links I created desappeared. I really don't know what to do. Below is my httpd.conf: ServerName mailman.xx.com DocumentRoot /home/mailman/templates/fr/ AddHandler cgi-script * ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/ User mailman Group mailman AddDefaultCharset Off Options FollowSymLinks order allow,deny allow from all Thank you for any help From a.carter at cordis.lu Fri Jun 6 11:37:53 2003 From: a.carter at cordis.lu (CARTER Anthony) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:37:53 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No access to public archives In-Reply-To: <1054890656.3ee05aa05a0fc@imp.free.fr> References: <1054890656.3ee05aa05a0fc@imp.free.fr> Message-ID: <200306061137.53466.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> You can't just create the links, you must administer the list through the web administration and set the archives to private or public from there. Remember though that if set to private, they are no longer accessible by the alias /pipermail/ Anthony On Friday 06 June 2003 11:10, phf1 at free.fr wrote: > Hello, > > I don't understand why do I have access to archives when they are private > but not when they are public ( I get a "Forbidden You don't have > permission to access ..." error) > > I found that in archives/public I had no link to the private archives of > this list, so I made a ln -s , but it did not resolve my problem. > That was yesterday, today the links I created desappeared. > > I really don't know what to do. > > Below is my httpd.conf: > > > ServerName mailman.xx.com > DocumentRoot /home/mailman/templates/fr/ > AddHandler cgi-script * > ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/ > Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/ > User mailman > Group mailman > > > AddDefaultCharset Off > Options FollowSymLinks > order allow,deny > allow from all > > > Thank you for any help > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: a.carter at cordis.lu > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/a.carter%40cordis.lu From jwt at OnJapan.net Fri Jun 6 11:38:18 2003 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:38:18 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No access to public archives In-Reply-To: <1054890656.3ee05aa05a0fc@imp.free.fr> References: <1054890656.3ee05aa05a0fc@imp.free.fr> Message-ID: <20030606093817.GG25882@server.onjapan.net> On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 11:10:56AM +0200, phf1 at free.fr wrote: > I found that in archives/public I had no link to the private > archives of this list, so I made a ln -s , but it did not Are you sure you have the archive set "public" on the "archiving options" page? > > ServerName mailman.xx.com > DocumentRoot /home/mailman/templates/fr/ > AddHandler cgi-script * > ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/ > Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/ > User mailman > Group mailman > > > AddDefaultCharset Off > Options FollowSymLinks > order allow,deny > allow from all > I suspect you wanted this block within the block. From phf1 at free.fr Fri Jun 6 11:51:28 2003 From: phf1 at free.fr (phf1 at free.fr) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:51:28 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] No access to public archives Message-ID: <1054893087.3ee06420013a2@imp.free.fr> >You can't just create the links, you must administer the list through the web >administration and set the archives to private or public from there. I tried this before I try to create the links by myself, but it didn't work. I also tried to use the arch command, but without success. What else can I try? On Friday 06 June 2003 11:10, phf1 at free.fr wrote: > Hello, > > I don't understand why do I have access to archives when they are private > but not when they are public ( I get a "Forbidden You don't have > permission to access ..." error) > > I found that in archives/public I had no link to the private archives of > this list, so I made a ln -s , but it did not resolve my problem. > That was yesterday, today the links I created desappeared. > > I really don't know what to do. > > Below is my httpd.conf: > > > ServerName mailman.xx.com > DocumentRoot /home/mailman/templates/fr/ > AddHandler cgi-script * > ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/ > Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/ > User mailman > Group mailman > > > AddDefaultCharset Off > Options FollowSymLinks > order allow,deny > allow from all > > > Thank you for any help > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: a.carter at cordis.lu > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/a.carter%40cordis.lu From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Jun 6 11:59:56 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:59:56 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No access to public archives In-Reply-To: <1054890656.3ee05aa05a0fc@imp.free.fr> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030606102907.03a30568@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 10:10 06/06/2003, phf1 at free.fr wrote: >Hello, > >I don't understand why do I have access to archives when they are private but >not when they are public ( I get a "Forbidden You don't have permission to >access ..." error) This is because private archives are accessed by a mailman script $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/private.py which is executed via a wrapper which sets the process gid to run as mailman. >I found that in archives/public I had no link to the private archives of this >list, so I made a ln -s , but it did not resolve my problem. >That was yesterday, today the links I created desappeared. > >I really don't know what to do. Links for public lists not being present and then going missing after you have inserted them by hand is weird. Have you checked the permissions on the $prefix/archives/public and private directories. They should look something like this. mailman at mailman2:/mailman/run/archives> ls -l total 12 drwxrws--x 8 mailman mailman 4096 Jun 4 10:58 private drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Apr 30 14:16 public mailman at mailman2:/mailman/run/archives> ls -l private/ total 24 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Mar 20 13:09 mailman drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Mar 20 13:09 mailman.mbox drwxrwsr-x 9 mailman mailman 4096 Jun 5 03:27 test1 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Mar 20 13:35 test1.mbox drwxrwsr-x 6 mailman mailman 4096 May 2 03:27 test2 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Apr 30 14:16 test2.mbox I suggest you run $prefix/bin/check_perms -f to make sure that all of the file permissions for your installation are correct. Then cycle a list's archive from private to public and then back to private. This should create a symlink to the list's archives in $prefix/archives/public and then delete it. Essentially changing list archives from private to public and vice versa is just a matter of creation and deletion of these symlinks. If that symlink create/delete behaviour is not present then repost to the list including that information. >Below is my httpd.conf: > > >ServerName mailman.xx.com >DocumentRoot /home/mailman/templates/fr/ >AddHandler cgi-script * >ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/ >Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/ >User mailman >Group mailman > > > AddDefaultCharset Off > Options FollowSymLinks > order allow,deny > allow from all > I am fairly certain that the User and Group directives in this virtual host are not valid. The User and Group are used by the main Apache process (normally running as root) to set the uid and gid of the children it spawns that do the real work. As far as I know this spawning is not done on a virtual host basis.Whether the presence of these directives is causing a problem I do not know. Further the way MM works, the tie up between the gid that CGI programs are normally run as and Mailman's CGI scripts is via the --with-cgi-gid option on the Mailman ./configure. Mailman's wrappers for CGI scripts check that the script has been run with the gid specified by --with-cgi-gid and then executes the script with the mailman user's gid. >Thank you for any help ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From john at io.com Fri Jun 6 14:57:34 2003 From: john at io.com (John Buttery) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 07:57:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTDIG patches reprieved (was HTDIG patches! Arghh!) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030606125734.GC24207@io.com> * Colin Mackinlay [2003-06-05 23:05:02 +0100]: > I am continually impressed by the number of websites I visit that run > mailman and I know that lots of them use your patch. Thank you for > re-thinking and I do hope that it becomes fully integrated into a future > release to save you having to update something that isn't broken. Amen...I just wanted to add my voice to this thread. Actually, I don't even use your patches. :) Well, not directly. But I've benefited from them many times on the web, when various programs I needed support for used Mailman to run their mailing lists and actually had searchable archives. So I guess I'm kind of coming from the other end of this... Personally, I'd like to see this integrated into the main tree as well. It seems like a theme, too...there hasn't been this much squawking about something on this list since the 2.1 personalization To: field debacle! :) (Which by the way, as a side note to the Mailman devs on that one, thanks for making the right decision on that...feature good, making it the default bad. ;)) -- John # print grep($_=sprintf("%c",exp($_)),split(/\s+/,<<' ')),"\n"; Buttery # 4.311 4.766 4.749 4.758 3.481 4.580 4.705 4.714 www.io.c# 4.758 4.649 4.620 4.741 3.481 4.388 4.620 4.741 om/~john# 4.687 3.481 4.649 4.580 4.600 4.677 4.620 4.741 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030606/c0bb604b/attachment.pgp From john at io.com Fri Jun 6 15:04:04 2003 From: john at io.com (John Buttery) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:04:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnpicklingError: could not find MARK??? In-Reply-To: <20030605111258.A25596@zim.gsu.edu> References: <20030605111258.A25596@zim.gsu.edu> Message-ID: <20030606130404.GD24207@io.com> * Mike Alberghini [2003-06-05 11:12:58 -0400]: > UnpicklingError: could not find MARK Yeah, I get that error all the time...you have to make sure you steep the hard drive in vinegar for at least 6 hours before setting up a new mailing list. -- John # Buttery # The easiest way to protest free speech is to pretend that you www.io.c# are being forced to listen to it. om/~john# -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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] Unsubscribe from the mailing list. If given, your password must match your current password. If omitted, a confirmation email will be sent to the unsubscribing address. If you wish to unsubscribe an address other than the address you sent this request from, you may specify `address=
' (no brackets around the email address, and no quotes!) Lee Ring wrote: > I cannot find in the documentation how someone unsubscribe from a list by > sending an e-mail request for the action. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From jdecarlo at mitre.org Fri Jun 6 17:06:29 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:06:29 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic Unsubscribes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3EE0ADF5.1010106@mitre.org> Ed, Typically the users' email addresses have been having problems. It is unfortunate that Mailman doesn't have an option to notify you about every bounce (should you indeed want that) so you can alert subscribers (should you have an alternate contact for them). Scripts have been posted in the past to scan the logs and email you about bounces, though. J. Edward (Ed) Muns wrote: > At exactly 7:00am on each of the past 5 days (31 May, 1-4 June), a different > batch of subscribers have been unsubscribed from a list I administer using > Mailman. I receive a message from Mailman for each of them, but there is no > information about why they were unsubscribed or who initiated it. I've had > this happen in the past with other lists I manage under Mailman. > > What do you think is going on and how do I fix it? -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From ddm at ddmcomputers.com Fri Jun 6 17:08:39 2003 From: ddm at ddmcomputers.com (DDM COMPUTERS - Danny Moss) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 01:08:39 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no mail to outside users Message-ID: <3EE0AE77.1030905@ddmcomputers.com> Hi All, I am hoping somebody can help me before I had a cracker come and crash my whole system I had a good working copy of mailman everything worked .. Now i have fully rebuilt my system with the same copy of mailman on it and same redhat 8.0 but noew nobody gets any mail from mailman out side of my local lan. I can subscribe to all the lists in fact everybody it the house on the lan can but nobody from the internet gets any mail back they use the web interface or just send email they never get anything back.. I can use the web interface or just send email and I get an answer straight away any ideas .. what have I missed .. thank you for your time to read this message thanks inadvance Danny moss From steve-lists at befriend.com Fri Jun 6 17:36:32 2003 From: steve-lists at befriend.com (Steve Werby) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:36:32 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removal of all body attachments in immediate admin notification emails Message-ID: <01ac01c32c41$76708d90$6701a8c0@befoffice1> I'm a long-time Mailman admin/user and a number of list admins on a server I administer have requested removal of the message body attachment in the immediate notifications. Apparently the vast majority of the approval requests are spam and due to the effect of the email on their local anti-spam software and dislike of the ramifications of their MUA loading embedded visible images and web bugs, they'd prefer to get the notifications, just without the body attached. I've read the FAQ, source distro docs and searched the mailman-users archives and google, but haven't had any success finding a solution. Is there a code modification can do any of the following or can someone point me in the right direction in the code? 1. Removal of all body attachments in notifications globally. 2. Removal of all body attachments in notifications on a per-list basis. 3. De-MIMEing or simple stripping of any remote content in body attachments (though this wouldn't fully address the anti-spam s/w concerns, it would address the MUA concerns). Or any other solutions that can address some or all of the issues? I have no Python programming experience, but am experienced with PHP, Perl and bash (among others) so at worst if someone can point me in the right direction I can attempt to hack the existing code to at least accomplish #1 above. -- Steve Werby President, Befriend Internet Services LLC http://www.befriend.com/ From ddm at ddmcomputers.com Fri Jun 6 17:44:48 2003 From: ddm at ddmcomputers.com (DDM COMPUTERS - Danny Moss) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 01:44:48 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re my last message no outside mail Message-ID: <3EE0B6F0.9030206@ddmcomputers.com> Hi All, I forgot to tell you my setup running redhat 8.0 mailman and postfix thank you for your time thank you inadvance for any help .. Danny Moss From miles at mail.utexas.edu Fri Jun 6 17:53:28 2003 From: miles at mail.utexas.edu (Miles Abernathy) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:53:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removal of all body attachments in immediate admin notification emails In-Reply-To: <01ac01c32c41$76708d90$6701a8c0@befoffice1> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030606105111.02daa1c8@mail.utexas.edu> We would love to see this, also, the ability to strip off attached files! List members complain about worms, and this would solve that. Miles Abernathy, miles at mail.utexas.edu === At 11:36 AM 6/6/2003 -0400, you wrote: >I'm a long-time Mailman admin/user and a number of list admins on a server I >administer have requested removal of the message body attachment in the >immediate notifications. Apparently the vast majority of the approval >requests are spam and due to the effect of the email on their local >anti-spam software and dislike of the ramifications of their MUA loading >embedded visible images and web bugs, they'd prefer to get the >notifications, just without the body attached. > >I've read the FAQ, source distro docs and searched the mailman-users >archives and google, but haven't had any success finding a solution. > >Is there a code modification can do any of the following or can someone >point me in the right direction in the code? > >1. Removal of all body attachments in notifications globally. >2. Removal of all body attachments in notifications on a per-list basis. >3. De-MIMEing or simple stripping of any remote content in body attachments >(though this wouldn't fully address the anti-spam s/w concerns, it would >address the MUA concerns). > >Or any other solutions that can address some or all of the issues? I have >no Python programming experience, but am experienced with PHP, Perl and bash >(among others) so at worst if someone can point me in the right direction I >can attempt to hack the existing code to at least accomplish #1 above. > >-- >Steve Werby >President, Befriend Internet Services LLC >http://www.befriend.com/ From newsletters at atcomputerconsulting.com Fri Jun 6 18:45:38 2003 From: newsletters at atcomputerconsulting.com (newsletters) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman on RH7.2/Sendmail 8.11.6 Message-ID: <55629.63.102.39.70.1054917938.squirrel@www.atcomputerconsulting.com> Hey Gang, I'm setting up my first mailing list and it's not going too well :( I've got things configured to the best that I can see. When I post into the newsletter alias, I don't see any errors in maillog. I've got mailman in /etc/smrsh. The log file shows the whole "| mailman post newsletter" and a SENT at the end of the line. But nothing happens. No subscribes, no postings - nothing. I'm not sure what to look for and I am hoping someone can give me a kick start on what direction to point in. Thanks! Andy From jdecarlo at mitre.org Fri Jun 6 18:57:06 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 12:57:06 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no mail to outside users In-Reply-To: <3EE0AE77.1030905@ddmcomputers.com> References: <3EE0AE77.1030905@ddmcomputers.com> Message-ID: <3EE0C7E2.5010809@mitre.org> Danny, Hard to say. Need to figure out where the error is occurring. 1. Do you get the messages sent from the Internet on the lists you subscribe to? (This would indicate that Mailman gets the messages, but can't correctly send email to the Internet, just to the LAN.) 2. If you don't get the messages, do they show up as being received in the Postfix logs? (This would indicate that Mailman doesn't get the message, but the computer does. I think this very unlikely, though.) 3. Can you send mail from the Internet to a personal account on the same machine? (This would tell you whether anyone can send any email to your machine. Postfix logs would be interesting for this, too. If the only successful receipts are from the internal LAN, need to figure out why.) 4. Can you send mail to the Internet from a personal account on the same machine as Mailman? Typical suspects would include: DNS (A. Can your machine resolve Internet addresses to be able to send email? B. Are you listed in DNS so people sending email to your machine will get through?) Mail routing. Are you connected to an ISP that requires all email to the Internet go through their mail server? Is your Mailman machine correctly set up in Postfix to do this? DDM COMPUTERS - Danny Moss wrote: > Now i have fully rebuilt my system with the same copy of mailman on it > and same redhat 8.0 but noew nobody gets any mail from mailman out side > of my local lan. > > I can subscribe to all the lists in fact everybody it the house on the > lan can but nobody from the internet gets any mail back they use the web > interface or just send email they never get anything back.. > I can use the web interface or just send email and I get an answer > straight away any ideas .. > what have I missed .. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From steve-lists at befriend.com Fri Jun 6 19:13:57 2003 From: steve-lists at befriend.com (Steve Werby) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:13:57 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removal of all body attachments in immediate adminnotification emails References: <01ac01c32c41$76708d90$6701a8c0@befoffice1> Message-ID: <025201c32c4f$0463e540$6701a8c0@befoffice1> I could have sworn I included relevant system info., but I must have deleted it. This particular machine is running MM 2.1.2, Python 2.2.3c1, Sendmail 8.9.3, Linux 2.2.16 on a Sun Cobalt RaQ3. -- Steve Werby President, Befriend Internet Services LLC http://www.befriend.com/ From dlane at ap.stmarys.ca Fri Jun 6 19:54:30 2003 From: dlane at ap.stmarys.ca (Dave Lane) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 14:54:30 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] V2.1 breaks virtual hosting? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030604160041.0531e5f0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030604103840.03625610@crux.stmarys.ca> <5.1.1.6.0.20030602195755.0399ee80@mail.openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030605155509.037c5ec0@crux.stmarys.ca> At 05:30 PM 6/4/2003 +0100, Richard Barrett wrote: >Have you checked the smtp-failure log. If perchance the host_name >attribute for a list is not DNS resolving then the MTA might be refusing >to accept the outgoing traffic and you may find 553 response codes >recorded in log entries in the $prefix/logs/smtp-failure log. This would >also show up in post and smtp logs as well as your MTA's logs so you are >not likely to have missed. Richard, Knowing about the logs helped immensely. Turned out that I neglected to implement all of the various list addresses in the virtual domain (there are a lot of em!), specifically listname-bounce and that was causing the smtp server to complain since the sender of the e-mail, at least from sendmail's perspective was listname-bounce. Anyway, problem solved - thanks ... Dave From jdecarlo at mitre.org Fri Jun 6 20:30:06 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 14:30:06 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removal of all body attachments in immediate admin notification emails In-Reply-To: <01ac01c32c41$76708d90$6701a8c0@befoffice1> References: <01ac01c32c41$76708d90$6701a8c0@befoffice1> Message-ID: <3EE0DDAE.1020107@mitre.org> Steve, You are in at least partial luck. I think I have found your answer. I haven't tried it, because I do need the message attachment sent on my lists. In /Mailman/Handlers, there is a file called Hold.py. From judicial use of grep, it is the only file that references 'postauth.txt', which has the text of the moderation message in it. If you edit this file, and go to the very end, you will see '#Now the message for the list owners ...' Below that, 'dmsg' is created and populated. This is the special confirmation message with the long message identifier in the Subject. Below that, are three calls to 'nsmg.attach'. The one reading 'nmsg.attach(MIMEMessage(msg))' is the part where the actual message being moderated is attached. Therefore, I conclude that commenting out that line will prevent the notification message from having the original message as an attachment. What do you think? Try it and tell us if it works. Steve Werby wrote: > I'm a long-time Mailman admin/user and a number of list admins on a server I > administer have requested removal of the message body attachment in the > immediate notifications. Apparently the vast majority of the approval > requests are spam and due to the effect of the email on their local > anti-spam software and dislike of the ramifications of their MUA loading > embedded visible images and web bugs, they'd prefer to get the > notifications, just without the body attached. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From phil at nxtek.net Fri Jun 6 21:53:22 2003 From: phil at nxtek.net (Phil Iovino) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:53:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searching for an Address In-Reply-To: <20030606125734.GC24207@io.com> Message-ID: <00fb01c32c65$4bc708c0$7cac54d1@phil> Is there any way to search all my hosted lists for a single Email account (to see which one(s) they're subscribed to)? I host about 150 and would rather not search each one. :) From mailman at epic.org Fri Jun 6 22:13:08 2003 From: mailman at epic.org (postal worker) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:13:08 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searching for an Address In-Reply-To: <00fb01c32c65$4bc708c0$7cac54d1@phil> References: <00fb01c32c65$4bc708c0$7cac54d1@phil> Message-ID: >Is there any way to search all my hosted lists for a single Email >account (to see which one(s) they're subscribed to)? I host about 150 >and would rather not search each one. :) The find_member command even finds partial names.... From steve-lists at befriend.com Fri Jun 6 22:40:46 2003 From: steve-lists at befriend.com (Steve Werby) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:40:46 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removal of all body attachments in immediateadmin notification emails References: <01ac01c32c41$76708d90$6701a8c0@befoffice1> <3EE0DDAE.1020107@mitre.org> Message-ID: <046001c32c6b$ea210060$6701a8c0@befoffice1> "John DeCarlo" wrote: > Steve, > > You are in at least partial luck. I think I have found your answer. I > haven't tried it, because I do need the message attachment sent on my lists. > What do you think? > > Try it and tell us if it works. John, I've looked at the code you referenced and I think you may be right. I'm looking it over now and I hope to do some testing before I head out of the office. In any case I'll reply to this thread after I've tested. Thanks for taking the time to point me in the right direction (I hope). -- Steve Werby President, Befriend Internet Services LLC http://www.befriend.com/ From steve-lists at befriend.com Fri Jun 6 23:05:54 2003 From: steve-lists at befriend.com (Steve Werby) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:05:54 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removal of all body attachments in immediateadmin notification emails References: <01ac01c32c41$76708d90$6701a8c0@befoffice1> <3EE0DDAE.1020107@mitre.org> Message-ID: <049801c32c6f$7891f810$6701a8c0@befoffice1> "John DeCarlo" wrote: > In /Mailman/Handlers, there is a file called Hold.py. > The one reading 'nmsg.attach(MIMEMessage(msg))' is the part where the > actual message being moderated is attached. > > Therefore, I conclude that commenting out that line will prevent the > notification message from having the original message as an attachment. John, it worked perfectly. For the benefit of the archives, note that I had to restart Mailman for the changes to take effect. I think some list admins will want to keep the body attachment so I may work on a hack when I get some time. The listname variable is available in the module so worst case I should be able to hard-code listnames in some control structure, though I'll probably try to create a text file of listnames that can be looped through. I'm not a Python programmer, but I program in other languages so I'm optimistic I can learn to write the necessary code quickly. If I make any progress I'll post to the list. -- Steve Werby President, Befriend Internet Services LLC http://www.befriend.com/ From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sat Jun 7 00:56:18 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 23:56:18 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-htdig integration patch update Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030606235604.03e1d210@mail.openinfo.co.uk> Following input from and a fine diagnosis of a problem by Barry Shaw I have uploaded to sourceforge an update to my mailman-htdig integration patch #444884 as file htdig-2.1.2-0.4.patch.gz: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=444884&group_id=103 The problem was introduced with patch version htdig-2.1.1-0.2.patch.gz. It does not affect MM 2.0.x versions of the patch. The problem is only visible if you are not using the http scheme (typically because you are using https) in the URLs for accessing Mailman. In that case, htdig archives searches lead to mmsearch.py reporting an error citing the "" and ".htaccess" in the output. Luckily, or maybe unluckily, the problem is not visible with http URLs which is why I missed it. The fault is present but does manifest any undesirable effects Sorry for the sloppy testing. Hopefully I won't have broken anything else fixing this latest problem. Let me know if you spot any other problems with the patch. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From dallas at dreamhost.com Sat Jun 7 02:35:11 2003 From: dallas at dreamhost.com (Dallas Bethune) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 17:35:11 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] update on mailpasswords problem Message-ID: I reported a few days ago that I was seeing incorrect headers on the mailpasswords monthly cron emails like so: Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 05:26:52 -0700 Subject: lists.domain1.dreamhost.com mailing list memberships reminder From: mailman-owner at lists.dreamhost.com To: user at domain.com X-No-Archive: yes X-Ack: no Sender: domain2.com-admin at lists.domain2.com X-BeenThere: domain2.com at lists.domain2.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 The X-BeenThere and Sender headers are incorrect along with the Return-Path of the message. It turns out that the list address used as the Sender and Return-Path is always the very first list mailpasswords processes. It gets that list with this line: for listname in Utils.list_names(): So, I walked through the steps and it looks to me like this is a bug. It looks as if only the hostname from each list is passed through to the delivery mechanism and the Errors-To, Sender, and Return-Path headers are always derived from the same list no matter which list the password reminder message is actually for. In mailpasswds, there's a comment that says: " The list can be any random one - it is only used for the message delivery mechanism." That doesn't seem to be true as that one list is passed all the way through to the CookHeaders portion of the mail pipeline which uses that single list to come up with the admin email address with this line: adminaddr = mlist.GetAdminEmail() Am I on my own with this now that a more recent version is out? Dallas From ddm at ddmcomputers.com Sat Jun 7 05:06:22 2003 From: ddm at ddmcomputers.com (DDM COMPUTERS - Danny Moss) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 13:06:22 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no mail to outside users References: <3EE0AE77.1030905@ddmcomputers.com> <3EE0C7E2.5010809@mitre.org> Message-ID: <3EE156AE.7010201@ddmcomputers.com> HI John, please find answer to your questions below the question and I have attached some files as well thank you for you help.. Danny moss John DeCarlo wrote: > Danny, > > Hard to say. Need to figure out where the error is occurring. > > 1. Do you get the messages sent from the Internet on the lists you > subscribe to? (This would indicate that Mailman gets the messages, > but can't correctly send email to the Internet, just to the LAN.) Yes Last night I signed a user up here myself and then got him to post a message and everybody on the lan system got it .. before I go any further I have three mail list here at the moment List email address exericotas exericotas at lnx-vk7hdm.dnsalias.org Rhsreunion rhsreunion at lnx-vk7hdm.dnsalias.org amiga amiga at lnx-vk7hdm.dnsalias.org what I have found in log file though is in /var/log/mailman bounce file Jun 01 19:56:02 2003 (18534)Exericotas: ncgadd at useoz.com - first and so on for member that should be signed up but are not then down further I have Jun 02 22:53:51 2003 (29909) exericotas: address ncgadd at useoz.com not a member. then in the bounce.1 has date time (number) exericotas: otherusers - first it has mostt of the users that should be signed up there or in the bounce then in a file fromusenet.1 may 30 06:15:06 2003 (20400) Could not acquire gate_news lock > > > 2. If you don't get the messages, do they show up as being received > in the Postfix logs? (This would indicate that Mailman doesn't get > the message, but the computer does. I think this very unlikely, though.) > > 3. Can you send mail from the Internet to a personal account on the > same machine? (This would tell you whether anyone can send any email > to your machine. Postfix logs would be interesting for this, too. If > the only successful receipts are from the internal LAN, need to figure > out why.) Yes I think this is working but will get a mate to comfirm it again today > > 4. Can you send mail to the Internet from a personal account on the > same machine as Mailman? yes with no trouble at all > > Typical suspects would include: > > DNS (A. Can your machine resolve Internet addresses to be able to send > email? B. Are you listed in DNS so people yes no problems > sending email to your machine will get through?) > > Mail routing. Are you connected to an ISP that requires all email to > the Internet go through their mail server? Is your Mailman machine > correctly set up in Postfix to do this? > > DDM COMPUTERS - Danny Moss wrote: > >> Now i have fully rebuilt my system with the same copy of mailman on >> it and same redhat 8.0 but noew nobody gets any mail from mailman out >> side of my local lan. >> >> I can subscribe to all the lists in fact everybody it the house on >> the lan can but nobody from the internet gets any mail back they use >> the web interface or just send email they never get anything back.. >> I can use the web interface or just send email and I get an answer >> straight away any ideas .. >> what have I missed .. > > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: post.1 Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030607/f041dca3/attachment.asc -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: subscribe.1 Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030607/f041dca3/attachment.pot From kevin at flyingember.com Sat Jun 7 06:12:15 2003 From: kevin at flyingember.com (Kevin Carlyle) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 23:12:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] not getting back to me? Message-ID: <018001c32caa$fb5f38d0$0401a8c0@kevinlaptop> Ok, I scrapped the redhat stupid rpm that broke half of mailman and installed form scratch. Much better. It doesn't bounce every time. I have the url and mailhost setup to the appropriate servers. The apache dir is fine. Aliases are fine. Redhat 9 (newest version of mailman) apache 2.0.40 I checked my postfix logs and the email got to |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post listname >From there, I see nothing. What should I look at next to see what might be wrong? From cody at pinkpc.net Sat Jun 7 18:59:56 2003 From: cody at pinkpc.net (CodyG) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 09:59:56 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footers Message-ID: <00d401c32d16$398a20f0$6c164518@earthshine> I'm just getting started with Mailman (or any mailing list like this) and I have a few questions. Everything seems to be working fine except there are no footers in any messages coming from the list. The following is the default in the footer option. Do I leave it alone? Or must I do something with it? I read the 2.2.6.2 String Formatting Operations , but that wasn't too helpful either. Anyways, there are no footers in any of the messages. What am I missing? _______________________________________________ %(real_name)s mailing list %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jun 7 19:25:27 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 17:25:27 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footers In-Reply-To: <00d401c32d16$398a20f0$6c164518@earthshine> References: <00d401c32d16$398a20f0$6c164518@earthshine> Message-ID: <1055006740.3824.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Look at the source text of the messages coming from your list (look at the properties and choose look at the whole message). Is the footer contained in the source, but simply not shown by your Email Client? Jon Carnes On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 12:59, CodyG wrote: > I'm just getting started with Mailman (or any mailing list like this) and I have a few questions. > > Everything seems to be working fine except there are no footers in any messages coming from the list. The following is the default in the footer option. Do I leave it alone? Or must I do something with it? I read the 2.2.6.2 String Formatting Operations , but that wasn't too helpful either. Anyways, there are no footers in any of the messages. What am I missing? > > _______________________________________________ > %(real_name)s mailing list > %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jsmith at smittybuilt.com Sat Jun 7 19:35:23 2003 From: jsmith at smittybuilt.com (jsmith) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:35:23 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footers Message-ID: I understand were you are coming from on this issue, it has plagued me for a while now and I have found no solution to the problem. I have been told its an outlook issue, and a character set issue. I open a post and view the header information, they footers are there. But they don't show up in any other way. Regardless of mail client. If someone comes across a fix or solution I am more than happy to try just about anything at this point. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 10:26 AM To: CodyG Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] footers Look at the source text of the messages coming from your list (look at the properties and choose look at the whole message). Is the footer contained in the source, but simply not shown by your Email Client? Jon Carnes On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 12:59, CodyG wrote: > I'm just getting started with Mailman (or any mailing list like this) and I have a few questions. > > Everything seems to be working fine except there are no footers in any messages coming from the list. The following is the default in the footer option. Do I leave it alone? Or must I do something with it? I read the 2.2.6.2 String Formatting Operations , but that wasn't too helpful either. Anyways, there are no footers in any of the messages. What am I missing? > > _______________________________________________ > %(real_name)s mailing list > %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jsmith at smittybuilt.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jsmith%40smittybuil t.com From cody at pinkpc.net Sat Jun 7 19:51:11 2003 From: cody at pinkpc.net (CodyG) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:51:11 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footers References: <00d401c32d16$398a20f0$6c164518@earthshine> <1055006740.3824.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <00df01c32d1d$62d036a0$6c164518@earthshine> You're right! It is something in the mail client that isn't showing the footers! Cause for sure they are there in the message source. (I should have checked.) So, what is the use of footers if someone using OE defaults doesn't see them? But how could it be a mailer issue, when the footers are showing up just fine on my mail from Mailman-Users? Thanks for any help. From bash at twignation.com Sat Jun 7 20:01:36 2003 From: bash at twignation.com (Benjamin Ash) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 12:01:36 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman python process out of control 2.1.2 Message-ID: <3EE22880.9090302@twignation.com> Hi, It looks like a mailman 2.1.2 process has been running for days, using 99% of the cpu. I have restarted the mailman qrunner serveral times, but the python process jumps up immediately to 99%. Any ideas what could be causing this, I am running python 2.2.3, note it was doing the same thing under python 2.1.x Thanks, bash From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jun 7 21:07:22 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 19:07:22 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman python process out of control 2.1.2 In-Reply-To: <3EE22880.9090302@twignation.com> References: <3EE22880.9090302@twignation.com> Message-ID: <1055012858.3980.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sounds like you are using a default install of Procmail as the MTA (you didn't include that information in your mail). Check the procmail main configuration file and see how it treats local undefined users... Jon Carnes On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 14:01, Benjamin Ash wrote: > Hi, > > It looks like a mailman 2.1.2 process has been running for days, using > 99% of the cpu. > > I have restarted the mailman qrunner serveral times, but the python > process jumps up immediately to 99%. > > Any ideas what could be causing this, I am running python 2.2.3, note it > was doing the same thing under python 2.1.x > > Thanks, > > bash > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jun 7 21:11:39 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 19:11:39 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footers In-Reply-To: <00df01c32d1d$62d036a0$6c164518@earthshine> References: <00d401c32d16$398a20f0$6c164518@earthshine> <1055006740.3824.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <00df01c32d1d$62d036a0$6c164518@earthshine> Message-ID: <1055013115.3979.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 13:51, CodyG wrote: > You're right! It is something in the mail client that isn't showing the > footers! Cause for sure they are there in the message source. (I should have > checked.) > > So, what is the use of footers if someone using OE defaults doesn't see > them? But how could it be a mailer issue, when the footers are showing up > just fine on my mail from Mailman-Users? > > Thanks for any help. The mail from this list is all text based. The next release of Mailman will make some further advances in helping to get the footer to show up in HTML or MIME encoded mail. If you don't want to restrict folks to text only email, then you can also simply send out a monthly note that emphasizes the info that would have appeared in the footer. Good luck - Jon Carnes. From wicka at showhappy.net Sat Jun 7 18:56:22 2003 From: wicka at showhappy.net (Wicka) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 00:56:22 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't work with domain other that local Message-ID: <01a301c32d15$b9b6e480$6200a8c0@wicka> Dear all, i have install mailman in redhat linux 7.1 with qmail. i have check that i can send out mail to other server by that server. subscribe process work fine with the mail domain that host in the same server, but when i use other email account to test subscribe, i can't get any mail response from mailman. Why? Wicka. From bash at twignation.com Sun Jun 8 05:32:17 2003 From: bash at twignation.com (Benjamin Ash) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 21:32:17 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman python process out of control 2.1.2 In-Reply-To: <1055012858.3980.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3EE22880.9090302@twignation.com> <1055012858.3980.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3EE2AE41.40802@twignation.com> Hi, I am using exim4 as the MTA, I have not made any configuration changes with procmail for mailman. The process that is runnning out of control is the following: mailman 2784 98.4 0.6 6772 3312 ? R 12:11 550:25 qrunner /usr/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s C PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 2784 mailman 20 0 4008 3312 1012 R 99.5 0.6 552:07 python Jon Carnes wrote: > Sounds like you are using a default install of Procmail as the MTA (you > didn't include that information in your mail). > > Check the procmail main configuration file and see how it treats local > undefined users... > > Jon Carnes > > On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 14:01, Benjamin Ash wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>It looks like a mailman 2.1.2 process has been running for days, using >>99% of the cpu. >> >>I have restarted the mailman qrunner serveral times, but the python >>process jumps up immediately to 99%. >> >>Any ideas what could be causing this, I am running python 2.2.3, note it >>was doing the same thing under python 2.1.x >> >>Thanks, >> >>bash >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------ >>Mailman-Users mailing list >>Mailman-Users at python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >>This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com >>Unsubscribe or change your options at >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: bash at twignation.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bash%40twignation.com From mark at pdc-racing.net Mon Jun 9 05:28:15 2003 From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 20:28:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman python process out of control 2.1.2 In-Reply-To: <3EE22880.9090302@twignation.com> Message-ID: Benjamin Ash at bash at twignation.com wrote: > It looks like a mailman 2.1.2 process has been running for days, using > 99% of the cpu. > > I have restarted the mailman qrunner serveral times, but the python > process jumps up immediately to 99%. > > Any ideas what could be causing this, I am running python 2.2.3, note it > was doing the same thing under python 2.1.x When I experienced this, it was because htdig barfed doing it's nightly thing and cron tried to send 20MB of error messages to the "mailman" mailing list. Python spun for hours and hours trying to process that bad boy. Look and see if you have some massive email queued that mailman is trying to process. - Mark -- mark at pdc-racing.net From bash at twignation.com Mon Jun 9 08:50:48 2003 From: bash at twignation.com (Benjamin Ash) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 00:50:48 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman python process out of control 2.1.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3EE42E48.4040501@twignation.com> Hi, Thanks for the reply, the mail queue is empty, is there any way to check what mailman is actually doing in this instance, I have tried starting qrunner in verbose mode with the -v switch, there was no extra output using verbose with qrunner. Any ideas what could be causing this, and or how to better diagnose the problem. Cheers, -bash Mark Dadgar wrote: > Benjamin Ash at bash at twignation.com wrote: > >>It looks like a mailman 2.1.2 process has been running for days, using >>99% of the cpu. >> >>I have restarted the mailman qrunner serveral times, but the python >>process jumps up immediately to 99%. >> >>Any ideas what could be causing this, I am running python 2.2.3, note it >>was doing the same thing under python 2.1.x > > > When I experienced this, it was because htdig barfed doing it's nightly > thing and cron tried to send 20MB of error messages to the "mailman" mailing > list. Python spun for hours and hours trying to process that bad boy. > > Look and see if you have some massive email queued that mailman is trying to > process. > > - Mark > -- > mark at pdc-racing.net > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: bash at twignation.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bash%40twignation.com From linux at mostert.nom.za Mon Jun 9 11:59:22 2003 From: linux at mostert.nom.za (mozzi) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:59:22 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up identical lists Message-ID: <200306091159.22410.linux@mostert.nom.za> Hallo all I have a setup here where I give clients theire own mailing lists. I want to setup one list the way I want it for all and then "clone" that list so the others have exactly the same settings. I do not want to bring users over just the settings. Any ideas? Mozzi From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon Jun 9 14:26:33 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 13:26:33 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up identical lists In-Reply-To: <200306091159.22410.linux@mostert.nom.za> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030609132434.067bbbb0@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 10:59 09/06/2003, mozzi wrote: >Hallo all > >I have a setup here where I give clients theire own mailing lists. >I want to setup one list the way I want it for all and then "clone" that list >so the others have exactly the same settings. >I do not want to bring users over just the settings. > >Any ideas? Try $prefix/bin/config_list. Run it with the --help option for its usage. >Mozzi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From phil at nxtek.net Mon Jun 9 17:25:00 2003 From: phil at nxtek.net (Phil Iovino) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:25:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual List Hosting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <029101c32e9b$4b848350$5998abd0@phil> I've been searching the docs and archives for an hour and can't find much info on this. Please add this to a FAQ or something. :) I'm running Mailman and Sendmail. Currently all my hosted lists are setup at mailer.nxtek.net. I have several clients who either want their lists at listname at lists.theirdomain.com or listname at theirdomain.com Can anyone point me to a step by step guide or tell me how to go about this? My attempts were unsuccessful to say the least. :) Thanks! From barry at python.org Mon Jun 9 18:02:56 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 16:02:56 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Global user tool In-Reply-To: <3EDBB538.2060409@isu.edu> References: <3EDBB538.2060409@isu.edu> Message-ID: <1055174542.29829.7.camel@barry> On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 16:36, Kory Wheatley wrote: > Is there some kind of administrator login I can use to manage > subscriptions ... we have so many listservs that adding and removing > subscriptions by list is a big hassle - it would be easier if I could > manage subscriptions by user name rather by list. Not in Mailman 2. This is one of the most important design goals of Mailman 3. -Barry From thiago at nti.uff.br Mon Jun 9 16:58:49 2003 From: thiago at nti.uff.br (Thiago Rodrigues) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:58:49 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Erro no MailMan.... Message-ID: <031b01c32e97$a3420c60$150114c8@volvo> Al? Lista, Algu?m sabe o que significa esse erro no MailMan, recebo alguns e-mails com essa mensagem.. com isso ele tranca algumas mensagens. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main mlist.send_digest_now() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in send_i18n_digests msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 257, in process url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 349, in save_attachment ext = guess_extension(ctype, fnext) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 80, in guess_extension if ext in all: TypeError: iterable argument required att, ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thiago Rodrigues Software B?sico Universidade Federal Fluminense - NTI -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________ Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo sistema de antiv?rus do NTI. From barry at python.org Mon Jun 9 18:42:24 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 16:42:24 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Default link colors In-Reply-To: <014301c323df$5bbe6770$b302a8c0@zeus> References: <014301c323df$5bbe6770$b302a8c0@zeus> Message-ID: <1055175351.29829.17.camel@barry> On Mon, 2003-05-26 at 19:34, Tentra List Support wrote: > I tryed change the default page and link colors by adding relevant fields in > Default.py to mm_cfg.py. Changing all of the directives worked except for > WEB_LINK_COLOR > which did not result in a change. I found the offending error in > htmlformat.py line 326. It should read: > 'link' > when it reads > 'alink' > Changed to 'link' and default web links now change. > > Mailman version 2.1.2 Clearly a typo. Fixed in cvs. Thanks. -Barry From jdell at unr.edu Mon Jun 9 18:43:50 2003 From: jdell at unr.edu (jdell at unr.edu) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 09:43:50 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footers In-Reply-To: <1055013115.3979.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <00d401c32d16$398a20f0$6c164518@earthshine> <1055006740.3824.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <00df01c32d1d$62d036a0$6c164518@earthshine> <1055013115.3979.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1055177030.3ee4b946afc44@webmail.unr.edu> > Quoting Jon Carnes : > The mail from this list is all text based. > > The next release of Mailman will make some further advances in helping > to get the footer to show up in HTML or MIME encoded mail. Do you have any additional information on this? Is there anything in CVS at this point? Or do you know of any hacks/patches that would address this in the short-term? > If you don't want to restrict folks to text only email, then you can > also simply send out a monthly note that emphasizes the info that would > have appeared in the footer. Long shot: Is there a way to restrict them to text-only email but still allow binary attachments such as word docs, etc? Thanks! John ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through https://webmail.unr.edu From che at debian.org Mon Jun 9 19:05:02 2003 From: che at debian.org (Ben Gertzfield) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 10:05:02 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footers In-Reply-To: <00df01c32d1d$62d036a0$6c164518@earthshine> References: <00d401c32d16$398a20f0$6c164518@earthshine> <1055006740.3824.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <00df01c32d1d$62d036a0$6c164518@earthshine> Message-ID: <3EE4BE3E.1010604@debian.org> CodyG wrote: >You're right! It is something in the mail client that isn't showing the >footers! Cause for sure they are there in the message source. (I should have >checked.) > >So, what is the use of footers if someone using OE defaults doesn't see >them? But how could it be a mailer issue, when the footers are showing up >just fine on my mail from Mailman-Users? > > The main problem is that the character set of the header and footer might not match the character set of the body. In this case, Mailman 2.1 will use MIME parts (flagged as 'inline' to tell the mail reader to display them along with the body) to indicate the correct character set of the header/footer; you CANNOT otherwise mix different character sets in a single mail body. I'm guessing these messages have a Content-Type header like "test/plain; charset=utf-8" or something else that does not match the list's configured language. There's really no good way that we've figured out to force Outlook Express to stop being buggy and display inline MIME parts as, well, inline. If you can figure out a workaround (try constructing messages yourself by hand and emailing them to Outlook Express) please let us know! Ben From drodrigues at solvo.com.br Mon Jun 9 20:49:11 2003 From: drodrigues at solvo.com.br (Daniel =?iso-8859-1?q?Jos=E9=20Miguel=20Rodrigues?=) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:49:11 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with others domain-users Message-ID: <20030609185221.0B1DA3FA6@andreaguerra.solvo.com.br> Hi Sorry for my humble english but i need your help I have a problem to send emails to others domain-users. I can send emails to these users when i do not use mailman but when i use mailman the /var/log/maillog log this error message: Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied; from test-admin at my-mailman.host to daniel.rodrigues at yahoo.com.br I use mailman 2.0.13-3 and postfix 1.1.11-5 in linux redhat 8.0 Docs an urls are welcome Thanks From dhphllps at memphis.edu Mon Jun 9 21:04:18 2003 From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:04:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] digest delivery problem Message-ID: <2BA18B2B-9AAD-11D7-AC45-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> I've Googled this and found several refences to the error message but none of them seem to be caused by this situation. One of my lists has had trouble sending the digest the last few days. It sends it to all but 31 subscribers, then leaves this in the error log: Jun 09 12:00:02 2003 (460) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 72, in _dispose self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 146, in process deliveryfunc(mlist, msg, msgdata, envsender, refused, conn) File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 332, in verpdeliver bulkdeliver(mlist, msgcopy, msgdata, envsender, failures, conn) File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 345, in bulkdeliver msgtext = msg.as_string() File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 109, in as_string g.flatten(self, unixfrom=unixfrom) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 102, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 130, in _write self._dispatch(msg) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 156, in _dispatch meth(msg) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 230, in _handle_multipart g.flatten(part, unixfrom=False) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 102, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 130, in _write self._dispatch(msg) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 156, in _dispatch meth(msg) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 230, in _handle_multipart g.flatten(part, unixfrom=False) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 102, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 130, in _write self._dispatch(msg) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 156, in _dispatch meth(msg) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 297, in _handle_message g.flatten(msg.get_payload(0), unixfrom=False) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 102, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 130, in _write self._dispatch(msg) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 156, in _dispatch meth(msg) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 199, in _handle_text raise TypeError, 'string payload expected: %s' % type(payload) TypeError: string payload expected: Jun 09 12:00:02 2003 (460) SHUNTING: 1055178001.113483+4cf795ff1bac2bb920026ee3d9b2d9eec506dea8 ============= The other 330 members get their digest fine. I copied the digest.mbox to a test list and sent it with cron/senddigests and it worked fine. The file in qfiles/shunt is: ============= bin/dumpdb 1055178001.113483+6ef95bc566ff9e38083c23c3a2cb515f842bfb73.db { 'isdigest': 1, 'lang': 'en', 'listname': 'horn', 'original_sender': 'horn-request at xxxx.xxxxxx.xxx', 'personalize': 1, 'pipeline': [], 'received_time': 1055178001.113483, 'recips': [ 'claude.benson at xxxxxx.xxx', 'blackbort at xxxxx.xx', -=--snip--=- list of subscribers 'william.oliver at xxxxx.xx.xxx'], 'undelivered': [ ['claude.benson at xxxxx.xxx'], ['blackbort at xxxxx.xx'], -=--snip--=- same list as before ['william.oliver at xxxxx.xx.xxx']], 'verp': 1, 'version': 3, 'whichq': '/users/mailman/qfiles/out'} ========= incidentally, trying to run dumpdb on the .pck file produces another error message: ======= [music:~/qfiles/shunt] mailman% dumpdb -p 1055178001.113483+6ef95bc566ff9e38083c23c3a2cb515f842bfb73.pck Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Users/mailman/bin/dumpdb", line 134, in ? msg = main() File "/Users/mailman/bin/dumpdb", line 128, in main pp.pprint(m) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/pprint.py", line 110, in pprint self.__stream.write(self.pformat(object) + "\n") File "/usr/lib/python2.2/pprint.py", line 114, in pformat self.__format(object, sio, 0, 0, {}, 0) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/pprint.py", line 136, in __format rep = self.__repr(object, context, level - 1) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/pprint.py", line 200, in __repr self.__depth, level) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/pprint.py", line 287, in _safe_repr rep = `object` File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 50, in __repr__ return self.__str__() File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 99, in __str__ return self.as_string(unixfrom=True) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 109, in as_string g.flatten(self, unixfrom=unixfrom) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 102, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 130, in _write self._dispatch(msg) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 156, in _dispatch meth(msg) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 230, in _handle_multipart g.flatten(part, unixfrom=False) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 102, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 130, in _write self._dispatch(msg) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 156, in _dispatch meth(msg) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 230, in _handle_multipart g.flatten(part, unixfrom=False) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 102, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 130, in _write self._dispatch(msg) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 156, in _dispatch meth(msg) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 297, in _handle_message g.flatten(msg.get_payload(0), unixfrom=False) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 102, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 130, in _write self._dispatch(msg) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 156, in _dispatch meth(msg) File "/users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 199, in _handle_text raise TypeError, 'string payload expected: %s' % type(payload) TypeError: string payload expected: ============== running bin/unshunt just duplicates the above errors. I emptied qfiles/shunt before today's digest without effect. Any ideas of where to look next? From kremels at kreme.com Mon Jun 9 21:10:37 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:10:37 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving ~mailman to a new machine Message-ID: <0DF68347-9AAE-11D7-ACE3-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> I currently have mailman installed on my home machine and use fetchmail to grab list posts, process them on my machine, and then post them. I am going to be replacing my mailserver with a freeBSD machine and want to move mailman to that machine. I want the move to be transparent to the users with the exception that the webface address will change to match the listname domain. what prep steps do I need to take once I get mailman installed on the BSD machine before I move all the lists over? Can I move all the lists intact including users and archives, or do I need to recrate the lists? what's the best way? I'm thinking that simply tarring up the ~mailman and depositing it on the new machine is NOT the best idea. -- "Don't be nice. It's Creepy." Tendo Akane From dhphllps at memphis.edu Mon Jun 9 21:07:22 2003 From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:07:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: Digest delivery problem Message-ID: <9961C8E7-9AAD-11D7-AC45-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> Sorry, I should have mentioned: Mailman 2.1.2, Postfix postfix-2.0.9-20030424, OS X Server, python 2.2 From steve at silicongoblin.com Mon Jun 9 23:37:38 2003 From: steve at silicongoblin.com (Steve Linberg) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.2: "scrubbed attachment" wierdness In-Reply-To: <200306091159.22410.linux@mostert.nom.za> Message-ID: Hi all. I'm working out the kinks on an upgrade from 2.0.13 to 2.1.2. I noticed that in the archives of one of the lists I'm running, a message from an mindspring user is blank, with this text: "Skipped content of type multipart/alternative---------- next part ---" The thing I don't understand is that in the admin section for this list, under "content filtering", the "filter_content" option is set to "no". "multipart/alternative" IS present in "pass_mime_types", but my understanding is that if "filter_content" is "no", this should all be bypassed. I'm not sure what this means. Anybody have any suggestions? Could it just be pipermail that can't handle multipart/alternative? It came through in the actual delivered message fine, it just got stripped from the archive. From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Tue Jun 10 01:16:17 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:16:17 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.2: "scrubbed attachment" wierdness References: Message-ID: <3EE51541.7060804@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, The bug in Scrubber.py is fixed in my i18n patch. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=670167&group_id=103&atid=300103 Steve Linberg wrote: > Hi all. > > I'm working out the kinks on an upgrade from 2.0.13 to 2.1.2. I noticed > that in the archives of one of the lists I'm running, a message from an > mindspring user is blank, with this text: > > "Skipped content of type multipart/alternative---------- next part ---" > -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From Niklas.Nikitin at kau.se Tue Jun 10 12:10:49 2003 From: Niklas.Nikitin at kau.se (Niklas Nikitin) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:10:49 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists stop working Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030610120819.00b8fdd8@mail.kau.se> Hi, I have some problems with my Mailman server. I am running Mailman 2.1.2 (installed from source) on a RedHat 8.0 Linux server (using Sendmail version 8.12.8-5.80). The problem is the following: I send an eMail to one of the lists, I can see in my /var/log/maillog; Jun 10 11:27:03 osiris sendmail[2756]: h5A9R392002756: from=, size=502, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<5.2.1.1.2.20030610112857.00b9b740 at xxx>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=cassini.xxx [193.10.220.37] Jun 10 11:27:03 osiris sendmail[2757]: h5A9R392002756: to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post nicke-test", ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30704, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent that the server is receiving the eMail and is forwarding it to Mailman. But in Mailmans logs I will not find any information that it has received the eMail and no eMail is sent to the members on the list. If I dump all members of the list to a file, remove the list, create the list again and add all members, the list is working again for a while, and then it repeats again. It is not all lists that behave like above, other lists are working just fine! Niklas From gustavo at scire.coppe.ufrj.br Mon Jun 9 22:28:29 2003 From: gustavo at scire.coppe.ufrj.br (Gustavo Gouvea) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 17:28:29 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscribe with sync_members... Message-ID: <3EE4EDED.4C8155CD@scire.coppe.ufrj.br> Hi all, Sorry about posting in 2 lists, I just dont know the best list to post in. I?ve just implemented Mailman 2.0.13 in my company and I got some problems: I have a file with 3000 email addr, that is sent through ftp every day to my mail server. Then I used "sync_members -f file-name listname" to keep the list sycronized with that file. I cannot guarantee that all mail addr on the list is valid, and I cannot filter that. If one addr is invalid the script aborts. This is my first problem. Question-1: Can I make Mailman just read the file with email addrs just like sendmail "aliases :include:" files, without using "sync_members"? Question-2: If using "sync_members" can I disable "ValidateMail"? Will Mailman crash with invalid addr like "user at domain.com; user2 at other.com" (2 addresses in one line, like some address in my file) if I disable that check? I am not a "full" programmer, so I dont want to mess with the source code... But disabling the ValidateMail seems easy... Any easy solution? Question-3: My 3000 mail list is uploaded only when its changed, so I dont know when it will be uploaded. I realized I?ll have to run "sync_members" every 5 or 1 minute in crontab to guarantee my list is in sync. Is there any way I can tell Mailman to run "sync_members -f filename listname" every time a message arrives for the list? I just like to know yes or no? Thanks a lot! I will apreciate any comments. From mshr at mshr.ru Mon Jun 9 22:30:16 2003 From: mshr at mshr.ru (Moscow School of Human Rights) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:30:16 +0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Majordomo-style moderation Message-ID: <000001c32ec5$f0a5d260$796190d9@mainmshrpc> Dear colleagues, In my opinion the only and very important trait of Mailman is impossibility to moderate the lists in Majordomo style, by adding "approved: password" line at the top of "technical" e-mail message and then sending it to the listserv. The web interface for moderation is extremely inconvenient if the moderator has a dial-up connection to the Internet and need to pay for each minute or if the language of communnication supposes several characters encodings, like Russian. In Majordomo I am able to solve all the problems and prepare the messages for delivery offline, why cannot I do it in Mailman? Sincerely yours, Roman Sinelnikov From felix at nice.ch Tue Jun 10 12:11:00 2003 From: felix at nice.ch (Felix Rauch) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:11:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature proposal: "Discard all" Message-ID: I am list-owner for some mailman-managed mailing lists. Currently most of my admin work is to discard tons of spam. It would be very helpful if there was a way to simply "discard all" messages waiting in the queue (we have subscribers-only lists, so spam usually just hangs in the admin interface). Otherwise, thanks a lot for the excellent work! Regards, Felix -- Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich http://www.nice.ch/~felix/ Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. From nospam at uadm.com Tue Jun 10 15:40:59 2003 From: nospam at uadm.com (Guy) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:40:59 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman smtp problem Message-ID: <20030610134059.GC1139@uadm.com> Hello, Our mailman have stoped working after updating postfix configuration on the server. the log files sais: smtp: Jun 10 16:26:56 2003 (28502) All recipients refused: Server not connected Jun 10 16:26:56 2003 (28502) smtp for 106 recips, completed in 175.465 seconds post: Jun 10 16:26:56 2003 (28502) post to list-name from info at list-name.prg, size=32445, 106 failures in mm_cfg.py we have: SMTPHOST = 'localhost' SMTPPORT = 25 We can telnet to localhost 25 and send email. What can be the problem? Thank you Guy From foobar at intter.net Tue Jun 10 17:15:40 2003 From: foobar at intter.net (foobar) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:15:40 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman smtp problem In-Reply-To: <20030610134059.GC1139@uadm.com> References: <20030610134059.GC1139@uadm.com> Message-ID: <20030610181328.I28882@intter.net> On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Guy wrote: > Hello, > > Jun 10 16:26:56 2003 (28502) post to list-name from info at list-name.prg, > size=32445, 106 failures > > > What can be the problem? > Maybe invalid MAIL FROM? (see smtpd_recipient_restrictions) and please see your maillog for further details.... ++Titus From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Jun 10 17:36:11 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:36:11 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature proposal: "Discard all" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030610161744.0565fe20@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 11:11 10/06/2003, Felix Rauch wrote: >I am list-owner for some mailman-managed mailing lists. Currently most >of my admin work is to discard tons of spam. It would be very helpful >if there was a way to simply "discard all" messages waiting in the >queue (we have subscribers-only lists, so spam usually just hangs in >the admin interface). Sounds like you should upgrade to Mailman 2.1.2 If you did then you could automatically discard such postings through the Privacy->Sender filters->Non-member filters options. >Otherwise, thanks a lot for the excellent work! > >Regards, >Felix > >-- >Felix Rauch, research assistant at laboratory for computersystems, ETH Zuerich >http://www.nice.ch/~felix/ Member of Swiss Internet User Group: www.siug.ch >This article contains my personal view only! Use of my addresses for marketing >purposes is hereby strictly prohibited according to swiss privacy laws. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From thiagorsantos at uol.com.br Tue Jun 10 18:40:27 2003 From: thiagorsantos at uol.com.br (Thiago Rodrigues) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:40:27 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error in MailMan.... Message-ID: <009d01c32f6f$05e9ce70$150114c8@volvo> Alow List, Somebody knows what it means this error in the MailMan, receives some e-mails with this message. with this it locks some messages. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main mlist.send_digest_now() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in send_i18n_digests msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 257, in process url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 349, in save_attachment ext = guess_extension(ctype, fnext) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 80, in guess_extension if ext in all: TypeError: iterable argument required att, ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thiago Rodrigues Software B?sico Universidade Federal Fluminense - NTI -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Tue Jun 10 20:31:22 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:31:22 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Majordomo-style moderation In-Reply-To: <000001c32ec5$f0a5d260$796190d9@mainmshrpc> References: <000001c32ec5$f0a5d260$796190d9@mainmshrpc> Message-ID: <20030610183122.GE25408@hq.newdream.net> On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:30:16AM +0400, Moscow School of Human Rights wrote: > In my opinion the only and very important trait of Mailman is > impossibility to moderate the lists in Majordomo style, by adding > "approved: password" line at the top of "technical" e-mail message and > then sending it to the listserv. You can confirm / delete messages via email in the newest version of Mailman. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") From jsmith at smittybuilt.com Tue Jun 10 20:41:19 2003 From: jsmith at smittybuilt.com (jsmith) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:41:19 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footers Message-ID: Ben, list members, -----Original Message----- From: Ben Gertzfield [mailto:che at debian.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:27 AM To: jsmith Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] footers jsmith wrote: >Ben, > >I have posted the same issue several times. If what you say is correct, >how do I see the footers and headers from this list and not from mine? > > What language is your list configured for? The mailman lists are configured for US English, and so messages posted in pretty much any language will get the footers attached without MIME attachments (since any other character set is a strict superset of US English, headers and footers in US English can be concatenated with the original message without MIME parts). ** List is configured for English Any other language will most likely get MIME attachments for headers and footers, since the headers and footers will be assumed to be in the same language as the list, and so they cannot be safely concatenated to messages in other character sets. >I see them in the header info from any postings on my list. But not >where they should be. I am also not using Outlook Express. I have >tried Outlook, Eudora, and several webmail clients. > It works in every mail client I have access to (mostly Mozilla-based mail readers) and a few webmail readers I've tried (yahoo, squirrelmail). I don't have access to Outlook or Eudora. ** I do have a test list setup besides the ones in use. I would be more then willing to add you to it and send a few test postings to let you see the headers and maybe the problem. If so send me an email directly and I will add you. Ben Thanks for your time and effort, Joe From jdell at unr.edu Tue Jun 10 21:57:49 2003 From: jdell at unr.edu (John Dell) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:57:49 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footers (disappear) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200306101257.49379.jdell@unr.edu> I also have a MM 2.1.2 list configured for U.S. English and see the footer 'disappear' problem in outlook/outlook express. When viewing these messages with KMAIL, I see two (2) sections in the email. The first is the message, and the second is the footer. So it seems to me that outlook is choking on displaying the second . But I don't understand why Mailman is not putting the footer into the original ? Can someone explain why that happens? When viewing the same message with Yahoo web mail, the footer shows up as a plain text attachment. So, again, it appears that the 'footer' is not inserted into the body proper of the email messages. Disabling content filtering gave same results. I also can provide a small list for further testing. Thanks for any assistance! John From cody at pinkpc.net Wed Jun 11 04:03:29 2003 From: cody at pinkpc.net (CodyG) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:03:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footers (disappear) References: <200306101257.49379.jdell@unr.edu> Message-ID: <004701c32fbd$a7a26cb0$6c164518@earthshine> I'm still stalled, not sure how to proceed with my newly installed Mailman. Everything is working fine, except ffooters issue seems to be a choice of getting the footers with text only, or use html and send out footer info regularly. But those archives! Again, text seems to make the most sense. I haven't got shell access yet, so installing MoNhARC is another mountain. So, I'm thinking Mailman is a great little mailing list for text, but isn't going to be very friendly for my users. Fact: My users love reading/writing email on the web, or Outlook Express, every other app is alien to them. And they are addicted to backgrounds and font styles and sound stuff. Another Fact: I, Sysop, changed hosting in order to have access to proper mailing list tools without having to rely on Yahoo or Smartgroups, or whatever. The goal...a secure seamless mailing list interface on my own website, preferably with user management and archives accessible by the user through a php-nuke module. For the life of me I can't figure out why such an application doesn't exist, it could hardly be an original concept. Cody www.pinkpc.net From ddm at ddmcomputers.com Wed Jun 11 05:47:47 2003 From: ddm at ddmcomputers.com (DDM COMPUTERS - Danny Moss) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:47:47 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help Message-ID: <3EE6A663.4050909@ddmcomputers.com> Hi everyone, I am having a lot of problem with my mailing list I once had it working very well before getting hacked but a new install and change over to postfix seams to have broken it.. I am using redhat 8 and postfix and mailman I can sign up and send mail from my local lan but any body tring from out side my lan gets nothing I seam to have on list that sort of seams to work one person from outside my lan gets mail from it below is some extracts from my post,post.1, smtp, subscribe, etc. I also have found a lot of the people that have tried to sign up in my bounce file, I used to have redhat 8 mailman and sendmail running fine before I got hacked what have I not done correctly in postfix to get it running fine it seam fine from my local lan though.. please any help would be much appreciated .. post file Jun 01 19:56:02 2003 (18534) post to exericotas from exericotas-request at lnx-vk7hdm.dnsalias.org, size=800, 1 failures Jun 01 20:25:40 2003 (18707) post to exericotas from exericotas-request at lnx-vk7hdm.dnsalias.org, size=803, 1 failures Jun 02 22:53:51 2003 (29909) post to exericotas from exericotas-request at lnx-vk7hdm.dnsalias.org, size=800, 1 failures Jun 02 23:48:51 2003 (30292) post to exericotas from exericotas-request at lnx-vk7hdm.dnsalias.org, size=800, 1 failures Jun 03 23:09:44 2003 (7690) post to exericotas from exericotas-request at lnx-vk7hdm.dnsalias.org, size=800, 1 failures Jun 04 17:43:05 2003 (19605) post to exericotas from exericotas-request at lnx-vk7hdm.dnsalias.org, size=803, 1 failures Jun 05 20:19:55 2003 (31106) post to amiga from mailman-owner at lnx-vk7hdm.dnsalias.org, size=1347, 1 failures Jun 06 22:40:52 2003 (10790) post to exericotas from exericotas-request at lnx-vk7hdm.dnsalias.org, size=800, 1 failures Jun 06 22:42:14 2003 (10802) post to amiga from amiga-request at lnx-vk7hdm.dnsalias.org, size=780, 1 failures Jun 06 22:43:26 2003 (10814) post to rhsreunion from rhsreunion-request at lnx-vk7hdm.dnsalias.org, size=800, 1 failures Jun 06 22:52:09 2003 (10875) post to exericotas from exericotas-admin at lnx-vk7hdm.dnsalias.org, size=301, 1 failures Jun 07 00:01:08 2003 (11381) post to exericotas from ncgadd at useoz.com, size=170, success Jun 07 00:14:33 2003 (11515) post to exericotas from exericotas-request at lnx-vk7hdm.dnsalias.org, size=1253, 1 failures Jun 07 00:19:10 2003 (11557) post to exericotas from ddm at ddmcomputers.com, size=307, 1 failures Jun 07 01:02:10 2003 (12047) post to exericotas from ncgadd at useoz.com, size=181, 1 failures post.1 file Jun 01 19:56:02 2003 (18534) exericotas: pending ncgadd at useoz.com 203.220.119.244 Jun 01 20:25:40 2003 (18707) exericotas: pending gregggrubb at our.net.au 203.55.91.154 Jun 02 22:53:51 2003 (29909) exericotas: pending ncgadd at useoz.com 203.220.116.130 Jun 02 23:21:57 2003 (30107) exericotas: pending root at lnx-vk7hdm.dnsalias.org 202.168.113.18 Jun 02 23:23:01 2003 (30133) exericotas: new root at lnx-vk7hdm.dnsalias.org Jun 02 23:48:51 2003 (30292) exericotas: pending ncgadd at useoz.com 203.220.116.130 Jun 03 10:44:03 2003 (2466) rhsreunion: pending vk7hdm at lnx-vk7hdm.dnsalias.org vk7hdm at lnx-vk7hdm.dnsalias.org Jun 03 10:45:01 2003 (2476) rhsreunion: new vk7hdm at lnx-vk7hdm.dnsalias.org Jun 03 23:09:44 2003 (7690) exericotas: pending ncgadd at useoz.com 203.220.119.100 Jun 04 01:34:03 2003 (12299) exericotas: pending vk7hdm at lnx-vk7hdm.dnsalias.org vk7hdm at lnx-vk7hdm.dnsalias.org Jun 04 01:35:02 2003 (12310) exericotas: new vk7hdm at lnx-vk7hdm.dnsalias.org Jun 04 17:43:05 2003 (19605) exericotas: pending Benny-Hill at bigpond.com 61.9.128.171 Jun 05 20:28:15 2003 (31279) amiga: pending ddm at ddmcomputers.com 202.168.113.18 Jun 05 20:30:02 2003 (31307) amiga: new ddm at ddmcomputers.com Jun 05 20:31:38 2003 (31316) amiga: pending vk7hdm at lnx-vk7hdm.dnsalias.org 202.168.113.18 Jun 05 20:32:01 2003 (31321) amiga: new vk7hdm at lnx-vk7hdm.dnsalias.org Jun 06 22:40:52 2003 (10790) exericotas: pending ncgadd at useoz.com smtp file ay 27 17:48:13 2003 (2354) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.854 seconds May 27 17:57:41 2003 (2480) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.010 seconds May 27 19:22:30 2003 (2950) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 5.949 seconds May 27 19:33:40 2003 (3053) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 5.892 seconds May 27 19:36:29 2003 (3110) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 5.944 seconds May 27 19:37:24 2003 (3117) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.942 seconds May 27 19:38:02 2003 (3120) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.017 seconds May 27 19:38:04 2003 (3120) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.030 seconds May 27 19:39:01 2003 (3123) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.839 seconds May 27 19:50:03 2003 (3160) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.287 seconds May 27 20:11:59 2003 (3384) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 6.014 seconds May 27 21:17:00 2003 (3792) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.544 seconds May 27 21:20:54 2003 (3814) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 6.121 seconds May 27 21:21:02 2003 (3816) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.249 seconds May 27 21:21:14 2003 (3817) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 6.116 seconds subscibe file May 27 19:37:24 2003 (3117) exericotas: pending samantha at aussiewide.com 203.55.214.12 May 27 19:38:00 2003 (3120) exericotas: new triffd at southcom.com.au May 27 20:11:59 2003 (3384) exericotas: pending camandali at iprimus.com.au 210.50.228.6 May 27 21:17:00 2003 (3792) rhsreunion: pending ddm at ddmcomputers.com 203.123.94.10 May 27 21:20:54 2003 (3814) exericotas: pending bjh001 at bigpond.net.au 61.9.128.171 May 27 21:21:00 2003 (3816) rhsreunion: new ddm at ddmcomputers.com May 27 21:21:14 2003 (3817) exericotas: pending Benny-Hill at bigpond.com.au 61.9.128.171 May 28 08:44:39 2003 (6502) exericotas: pending lewismj2 at yahoo.com 202.129.95.21 May 28 19:01:39 2003 (8744) exericotas: pending cjmshultz at bigpond.com 139.134.58.153 May 29 12:43:11 2003 (13581) exericotas: pending ddm at ddmcomputers.com 202.168.113.18 May 29 12:47:01 2003 (13605) exericotas: new ddm at ddmcomputers.com May 31 20:36:32 2003 (2260) exericotas: pending Benny-Hill at bigpond.com 61.9.128.171 From rodney at rcrcomputing.com Wed Jun 11 09:58:48 2003 From: rodney at rcrcomputing.com (Rodney Richison) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 02:58:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix no recipient Message-ID: <200306110258.48712.rodney@rcrcomputing.com> After fighting this thing for several days, I thought I'd better get some help. I've spent hours looking thru these archives and searching the net to no avail. The web interface works. Mailman sends mail just fine. But postfix refuses to recognise the recipient when it recieves the mail with this message in the logs "User unknown in local recipient table" Will attempt to include all info you guys may need here. Using postfix-to-mailman.py for mailman version 2.1xx Running RH 8.0 with mailman-2.1.2 rawhide rpm. Have created a virtual domain mailman.rcrnet.net Pardon if I've not posted all the info. I'm just a bit braindead at this point tonight. From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Wed Jun 11 11:17:25 2003 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:17:25 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix no recipient In-Reply-To: <200306110258.48712.rodney@rcrcomputing.com> References: <200306110258.48712.rodney@rcrcomputing.com> Message-ID: <20030611091725.GK12605@charite.de> * Rodney Richison : > The web interface works. Mailman sends mail just fine. But postfix > refuses to recognise the recipient when it recieves the mail with > this message in the logs "User unknown in local recipient table" So the recipient is unknown in local_recipient_maps. Show the complete Postfix logs, show postconf -n output. -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 AIM: ralfpostfix From tobias at kabissa.org Wed Jun 11 16:16:54 2003 From: tobias at kabissa.org (Tobias Eigen) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:16:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: [Mailman] Cron /usr/bin/python2.1 -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs Message-ID: <1055341014.3ee739d6f3473@webmail.kabissa.org> Dear friends, Since installing Tokio's patch last week I've been getting the error message once per week. Can someone help me to resolve it? Mailman version 2.1.2 Redhat 7.2 (PLESK) Qmail ./configure --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.1 --with-mail-gid=mailman --with-cgi- gid=48 Cheers, Tobias -- Tobias Eigen Executive Director Kabissa - Space for change in Africa http://www.kabissa.org TIME TO GET ONLINE Internet Learning materials now online! Go: http://www.ttgo.kabissa.org Contact: ttgo at kabissa.org ----- Forwarded message from Cron Daemon ----- Date: 11 Jun 2003 13:00:13 -0000 From: Cron Daemon Reply-To: Cron Daemon Subject: [Mailman] Cron /usr/bin/python2.1 - S /usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs To: mailman at kabissa.org Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 179, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 109, in main text += '\n' + pending_requests(mlist) File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 134, in pending_requests if _isunicode(fullname): NameError: global name '_isunicode' is not defined _______________________________________________ Mailman mailing list Mailman at lists.kabissa.org http://lists.kabissa.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman ----- End forwarded message ----- From francois.leclair at rbr.ca Wed Jun 11 16:37:42 2003 From: francois.leclair at rbr.ca (Francois Leclair) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:37:42 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Netscape Digital certificate Message-ID: <20030611143742.GZMO3635.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.249]> Hi, When a subscriber sends an email that is digitally signed, the small Signed Message icon appears right after the subject and just before the email text. Normally, this icon appears at the top right corner of the email. This is annoying... I'm getting all emails via Fetchmail where I pull messages from a POP3 server and send it to mailman. Is there a way to fix this ? Thanks in advance, Francois From rreid at preventchildabuse.org Wed Jun 11 17:28:35 2003 From: rreid at preventchildabuse.org (Rob Reid) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:28:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] inviting users to join a list Message-ID: <001c01c3302e$1fcdb670$9011c80a@NCPCA> Does anyone know a good way to invite a large group (almost 1000, of which I expect 90% will want to sign up) to a listserv without automatically signing them up? I thought the "confirm" option under "what steps are required for subscription" would work, but this is ignored when mass subscribing members. Thanks for any suggestions. Rob Reid Research Analyst Prevent Child Abuse America 200 S. Michigan Ave., 17th Floor Chicago, IL 60604 (312) 663-3520 x178 From dhphllps at memphis.edu Wed Jun 11 17:36:00 2003 From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:36:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] inviting users to join a list In-Reply-To: <001c01c3302e$1fcdb670$9011c80a@NCPCA> Message-ID: <675E8437-9C22-11D7-A3C2-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> In 2.1.x Under membership management/mass subscription, the first option is "subscribe these users now or invite them?" check "invite" and it will do as you wish. On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 10:28 AM, Rob Reid wrote: > Does anyone know a good way to invite a large group (almost 1000, of > which I > expect 90% will want to sign up) to a listserv without automatically > signing > them up? I thought the "confirm" option under "what steps are > required for > subscription" would work, but this is ignored when mass subscribing > members. > > > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > > > Rob Reid > > Research Analyst > > Prevent Child Abuse America > > 200 S. Michigan Ave., 17th Floor > > Chicago, IL 60604 > > (312) 663-3520 x178 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: dhphllps at memphis.edu > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > dhphllps%40memphis.edu > From gustavo at scire.coppe.ufrj.br Wed Jun 11 17:39:18 2003 From: gustavo at scire.coppe.ufrj.br (Gustavo Gouvea) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:39:18 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscribe with sync_members... Message-ID: <3EE74D26.989F5C8E@scire.coppe.ufrj.br> Hi all, I?ve just implemented Mailman 2.0.13 in my company and I got some problems: I have a file with 3000 email addr, that is sent through ftp every day to my mail server. Then I used "sync_members -f file-name listname" to keep the list sycronized with that file. I cannot guarantee that all mail addr on the list is valid, and I cannot filter that. If one addr is invalid the script aborts. This is my first problem. Question-1: Can I make Mailman just read the file with email addrs just like sendmail "aliases :include:" files, without using "sync_members"? Question-2: If using "sync_members" can I disable "ValidateMail"? Will Mailman crash with invalid addr like "user at domain.com; user2 at other.com" (2 addresses in one line, like some address in my file) if I disable that check? I am not a "full" programmer, so I dont want to mess with the source code... But disabling the ValidateMail seems easy... Any easy solution? Question-3: My 3000 mail list is uploaded only when its changed, so I dont know when it will be uploaded. I realized I?ll have to run "sync_members" every 5 or 1 minute in crontab to guarantee my list is in sync. Is there any way I can tell Mailman to run "sync_members -f filename listname" every time a message arrives for the list? I just like to know yes or no? Thanks a lot! I will apreciate any comments. From jdell at unr.edu Wed Jun 11 18:12:18 2003 From: jdell at unr.edu (John Dell) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:12:18 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help In-Reply-To: <3EE6A663.4050909@ddmcomputers.com> References: <3EE6A663.4050909@ddmcomputers.com> Message-ID: <200306110912.18312.jdell@unr.edu> On Tuesday 10 June 2003 08:47 pm, DDM COMPUTERS - Danny Moss wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I am using redhat 8 and postfix and mailman > I can sign up and send mail from my local lan but any body tring from > out side my lan gets nothing > I seam to have on list that sort of seams to work one person from > outside my lan gets mail from it > below is some extracts from my post,post.1, smtp, subscribe, etc. Do you have an edge firewall for the LAN that may be blocking port 25 on your machine? That would explain why LAN mails are working but external isn't. regards, John From nospam at uadm.com Tue Jun 10 17:31:03 2003 From: nospam at uadm.com (Guy) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:31:03 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman smtp problem In-Reply-To: <20030610181328.I28882@intter.net> References: <20030610134059.GC1139@uadm.com> <20030610181328.I28882@intter.net> Message-ID: <20030610153103.GA2428@uadm.com> On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 06:15:40PM +0300, foobar wrote: > > > On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Guy wrote: > > > Hello, > > smtp: Jun 10 16:26:56 2003 (28502) All recipients refused: Server not connected Jun 10 16:26:56 2003 (28502) smtp for 106 recips, completed in 175.465 seconds > > > > > > Jun 10 16:26:56 2003 (28502) post to list-name from info at list-name.prg, > > size=32445, 106 failures > > > > > > What can be the problem? > > > > Maybe invalid MAIL FROM? > > (see smtpd_recipient_restrictions) > > and please see your maillog for further details.... There's no record of mailman connecting to the smtp in the postfix log. That's not suprising since mailman doesn't find a server, hance "server not connected". From jolaco at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 10 22:51:07 2003 From: jolaco at sbcglobal.net (John La) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:51:07 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Detecting the groupname or gid in mailman Message-ID: <000201c32f92$04d34070$1700600a@private.4d.com> Hi, Is there a way to find out what groupname or gid mailman thinks is trying to run its cgi wrappers? I have the latest version of mailman, 2.1.2, running with apache and sendmail. everything is working. Now I'm trying to serve mailman cgi-bin files from my company's webserver, called WebStar, on Mac 10.2.6. I'm getting the following error. Webstar runs as group 'nogroup' and so I used the --with-cgi-gid=nogroup and --with-mail-gid=mail options. I get the error below. I don't know what to make of the '%s'. any help would be appreciated. thanks in advance, john. The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being stored in your syslog: --with-cgi-gidwebCGImail--with-mail-gidFailure to find group name %s. Try adding this group to your system, or re-run configure, providing an existing group name with the command line option %s.Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the %s wrapper script to be executed as group "%s", but the system's %s server executed the %s script as group "%s". Try tweaking the %s server to run the script as group "%s", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `%s=% --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.488 / Virus Database: 287 - Release Date: 6/5/2003 From jdell at unr.edu Wed Jun 11 18:21:46 2003 From: jdell at unr.edu (John Dell) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:21:46 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix no recipient In-Reply-To: <200306110258.48712.rodney@rcrcomputing.com> References: <200306110258.48712.rodney@rcrcomputing.com> Message-ID: <200306110921.46935.jdell@unr.edu> On Wednesday 11 June 2003 12:58 am, Rodney Richison wrote: ... > Will attempt to include all info you guys may need here. > Using postfix-to-mailman.py for mailman version 2.1xx > Running RH 8.0 with mailman-2.1.2 rawhide rpm. > Have created a virtual domain mailman.rcrnet.net I have exact same setup RH8 + postfix. Other users have posted here with problems about the RH8 rpm, so I built MM 2.1.2 from source and have not had any problems (except footers, but that is another story :-). Follow the README.POSTFIX in the source tarball and you should be fine. Regards, John From Dean at BushidoDesigns.net Wed Jun 11 02:18:43 2003 From: Dean at BushidoDesigns.net (Dean Hamack) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:18:43 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ? Message-ID: <000401c32faf$07a17570$0e4aa043@C828106B> Hey, how the hell do I unzip and install Mailman? I double click on it, but there is no program associated with the extension. Do I have to buy a special program to unzip it? Dean Hamack Bushido Designs Dean at BushidoDesigns.net Tel:(206)523-6705 *************************************************** Professional website design at competitive prices. *************************************************** From viktor at drac.com Wed Jun 11 18:21:59 2003 From: viktor at drac.com (Viktor Bautista i Roca) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:21:59 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] localisation Message-ID: <200306111821.59808.viktor@drac.com> Hi, I've just installed mailman but I've seen it's not translated into Catalan. Do you know if there is someone doing de translation? If not, I'd be glad to do it. -- Salut! V?ktor. mailto:viktor at drac.com DRAC telem?tic http://www.drac.com/ From rodney at rcrcomputing.com Wed Jun 11 18:41:15 2003 From: rodney at rcrcomputing.com (Rodney Richison) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:41:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix no recipient In-Reply-To: <200306110921.46935.jdell@unr.edu> References: <200306110258.48712.rodney@rcrcomputing.com> <200306110921.46935.jdell@unr.edu> Message-ID: <200306111141.15300.rodney@rcrcomputing.com> Am about ready to do so. However, I've one or two more questions. 1. when I type in a python command as per docs for example % mailmanctl, it gives me "no such job" or something like that. But when I type in python mailmanctl it works. Could this be a problem? BTW, I have now also tried the alias method rather than the postfix-to-mailman.py method and while the alias's are created etc, the mail just sits in the box. Mailman does not toss it. ??? On Wednesday 11 June 2003 11:21, John Dell wrote: > On Wednesday 11 June 2003 12:58 am, Rodney Richison wrote: > ... > > > Will attempt to include all info you guys may need here. > > Using postfix-to-mailman.py for mailman version 2.1xx > > Running RH 8.0 with mailman-2.1.2 rawhide rpm. > > Have created a virtual domain mailman.rcrnet.net > > I have exact same setup RH8 + postfix. Other users have posted here with > problems about the RH8 rpm, so I built MM 2.1.2 from source and have not > had any problems (except footers, but that is another story :-). Follow the > README.POSTFIX in the source tarball and you should be fine. > > Regards, > John From guallar at easternrad.com Wed Jun 11 18:41:18 2003 From: guallar at easternrad.com (Josep L. Guallar-Esteve) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:41:18 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ? In-Reply-To: <000401c32faf$07a17570$0e4aa043@C828106B> References: <000401c32faf$07a17570$0e4aa043@C828106B> Message-ID: <200306111241.18121.guallar@easternrad.com> On Tuesday 10 June 2003 08:18 pm, Dean Hamack wrote: > Hey, how the hell do I unzip and install Mailman? I double click on it, > but there is no program associated with the extension. Do I have to buy > a special program to unzip it? Are you sure you are the person that should be installing Mailman? Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Regards, Josep -- Josep L. Guallar-Esteve Eastern Radiologists, Inc. Systems and Network Administration http://www.easternrad.com From guallar at easternrad.com Wed Jun 11 18:45:30 2003 From: guallar at easternrad.com (Josep L. Guallar-Esteve) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:45:30 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] localisation In-Reply-To: <200306111821.59808.viktor@drac.com> References: <200306111821.59808.viktor@drac.com> Message-ID: <200306111245.30414.guallar@easternrad.com> On Wednesday 11 June 2003 12:21 pm, Viktor Bautista i Roca wrote: > Hi, > I've just installed mailman but I've seen it's not translated into > Catalan. > Do you know if there is someone doing de translation? If not, I'd be glad > to do it. I have no idea. Maybe we can team up :) (I have experience in (technical and non-technical alike) translations en <--> ca <--> es Salut, Josep -- Josep L. Guallar-Esteve Eastern Radiologists, Inc. Systems and Network Administration http://www.easternrad.com From jdell at unr.edu Wed Jun 11 23:14:10 2003 From: jdell at unr.edu (John Dell) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:14:10 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix no recipient In-Reply-To: <200306111141.15300.rodney@rcrcomputing.com> References: <200306110258.48712.rodney@rcrcomputing.com> <200306110921.46935.jdell@unr.edu> <200306111141.15300.rodney@rcrcomputing.com> Message-ID: <200306111414.10168.jdell@unr.edu> On Wednesday 11 June 2003 09:41 am, Rodney Richison wrote: > Am about ready to do so. However, I've one or two more questions. > > 1. when I type in a python command as per docs for example % mailmanctl, it > gives me "no such job" or something like that. But when I type in python > mailmanctl it works. Could this be a problem? I don't know where the RPM puts mailmanctl, but source will put it in /usr/local/mailman/bin (if you use the defaults). This doesn't need to be in any system path. /etc/init.d/mailman references this file and uses it to start/stop/restart mailman/qrunner, etc. > BTW, I have now also tried the alias method rather than the > postfix-to-mailman.py method and while the alias's are created etc, the > mail just sits in the box. Mailman does not toss it. ??? I don't know what the postfix-to-mailman.py method is? Using a source install, your mm_cfg.py should contain at least the following lines to make postfix work with mailman: MTA = 'Postfix' DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' From brito1978 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 23:59:41 2003 From: brito1978 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Evandro=20de=20Brito=20Sperandio?=) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:59:41 -0300 (ART) Subject: [Mailman-Users] admindb script Message-ID: <20030611215941.86392.qmail@web40901.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I'm getting the follwing error in my /var/log/httpd/error_log file: [Wed Jun 11 18:34:22 2003] [error] [client 192.168.1.12] Premature end of script headers: /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb A new line like that is added whenver I try to access the pending messages page. Any clues on what I should do to solve this? How do I replace the non-working script? BTW, I had a few crashes in my machine today and I'm guessing that messed up with the file that contains this script. I'm using version 2.0 beta 5. Thanks, Evandro Florian?polis - SC - Brasil _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mais espa?o, mais seguran?a e gratuito: caixa postal de 6MB, antiv?rus, prote??o contra spam. http://br.mail.yahoo.com/ From hchs at ns.sympatico.ca Thu Jun 12 02:12:14 2003 From: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca (Cody Harris) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:12:14 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030611211157.01b1f300@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> How do i remove mailman? -Cody Harris +----------------------------------------------------+ | This Signature is best in plain text! | +------------------------+-+ | Linux Rox My Sox! | | Check out HCHS! | | http://vectec.net | +------------------------+----------------------+ | Proud to use Mandrake Linux 8.1 as a server. | | Not proud to use Windows as a primary server. | +------------------------------------+----------+ | Registered Linux user #315598 | | Registered Linux Computer #200951 | | Wrote on a Windoze Computer :( | +------------------------------------+ From ronalde at xs4all.nl Thu Jun 12 02:19:05 2003 From: ronalde at xs4all.nl (Ronald van Engelen) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:19:05 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 403 Forbidden error accessing public archives Message-ID: <1055377141.1249.102.camel@xwing.lacocina.local> Hi, I'm getting the infamous 403 Access Forbidden error trying to access my public archives. I've read the faq and the README files but can't find my error. I'm using mailman 2.1.2-1 from Debian unstable with apache 1.3.27.0-1. In mm_cfg.py I have: PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/private' PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/pipermail' My relevant section in http.conf reads: Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ Options FollowSymLinks Order allow,deny Allow from all The directories in /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ are default symlinks to /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/ The permissions on the archive-directories in the latter are: drwxrwsr-x 5 www-data list On the index.html file: -rw-rw-rw- 1 www-data list I hope anybody can help. Thanks, Ronald From paul at thcwd.com Thu Jun 12 04:34:53 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:34:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030611213319.034854c8@mail.thcwd.com> Dean wrote: >Hey, how the hell do I unzip and install Mailman? I double click on it, >but there is no program associated with the extension. Do I have to buy >a special program to unzip it? The program you need is called Linux, the operating system Mailman runs on. You can get it free, but buying a packaged distribution is the better way to go. Then you have to set up a server to run Linux. The you learn about the untar commands. <>< Paul From Jean.Bausch at fujitsu-siemens.com Thu Jun 12 10:24:00 2003 From: Jean.Bausch at fujitsu-siemens.com (Bausch, Jean) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:24:00 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umlaut in message bodies are omitted Message-ID: <5B7690DAE02BD411A772009027FD68CC025976E6@mchrd23e.mch.fsc.net> I have updated from Mailman 2.0.10 to 2.1.2 because of the international language support (on Solaris and Intel). German Umlauts (????...) are now displayed correctly in the subject line, BUT ... they are simply omitted in the message body - in the received mails as well as in the archive. e.g. "Gr??e" is 'converted' to "Gre". Did I miss an encoding option somewhere? Thanks in advance to anyone who can help! -- Jean Bausch From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu Jun 12 11:43:41 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:43:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 403 Forbidden error accessing public archives In-Reply-To: <1055377141.1249.102.camel@xwing.lacocina.local> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030612103407.00ad6ef8@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 01:19 12/06/2003, Ronald van Engelen wrote: >Hi, > >I'm getting the infamous 403 Access Forbidden error trying to access my >public archives. > >I've read the faq and the README files but can't find my error. I'm >using mailman 2.1.2-1 from Debian unstable with apache 1.3.27.0-1. > >In mm_cfg.py I have: > >PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/private' >PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/pipermail' There were some changes in the URL handling between MM 2.0.x and 2.1.x It looks as though you are using the old style which may be causing you problems. In MM 2.1.2 PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL is a full URL pattern. Installing from source Defaults.py has the following definitions: PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s' MM 2.1.2's Defaults.py no longer defines PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL but is does say the following: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mailman.ftel.co.uk' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mailman.ftel.co.uk' DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/' # DEFAULT_HOST_NAME has been replaced with DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, however some # sites may have the former in their mm_cfg.py files. If so, we'll believe # that, otherwise we'll believe DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST. Same for DEFAULT_URL. DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = None DEFAULT_URL = None Probably worth taking a closer look at Defaults.py and then updating your mm_cfg.py to take account of changes between MM 2.0.x and MM 2.1.x Then repost if you still have a problem. >My relevant section in http.conf reads: > >Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ > > Options FollowSymLinks > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > >The directories in /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ are default >symlinks to /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/ > >The permissions on the archive-directories in the latter are: >drwxrwsr-x 5 www-data list > >On the index.html file: >-rw-rw-rw- 1 www-data list > >I hope anybody can help. > >Thanks, >Ronald > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu Jun 12 11:49:03 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:49:03 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030611211157.01b1f300@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030612104427.03f5b168@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 01:12 12/06/2003, Cody Harris wrote: >How do i remove mailman? If you installed from RPMs then use the rpm command to delete the Mailman package. If you installed from source then 'rm -rf $prefix' where $prefix is the MM install directory will comprehensively delete MM stuff. The above will not save any mail archives or useful material accumulated in the Mailman installation so on your head be it. >-Cody Harris > >+----------------------------------------------------+ > | This Signature is best in plain text! | >+------------------------+-+ >| Linux Rox My Sox! | >| Check out HCHS! | >| http://vectec.net | >+------------------------+----------------------+ >| Proud to use Mandrake Linux 8.1 as a server. | >| Not proud to use Windows as a primary server. | >+------------------------------------+----------+ >| Registered Linux user #315598 | >| Registered Linux Computer #200951 | >| Wrote on a Windoze Computer :( | >+------------------------------------+ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From jonas at freesources.org Thu Jun 12 11:54:00 2003 From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:54:00 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] alternative archiver Message-ID: <20030612095400.GF1377@freesources.org> hello, i'm trying to get mailman 2.1.2 running with an alternative archiver. the archiver gets the mail through a program called 'lurker-index'. commandline usage would be: /usr/bin/lurker-index -l $(listname) -m < /path/to/message so, $listname has to be the stuff in front of the @, like mailman-users for mailinglist mailman-users at python.org. how can i add this archiver? how can i run it parallel to pipermail and how without pipermail? second, would it be possible to change $(listname) before archiver uses it? i wrote a little script that fixes the listname (it's not always the part in front of the @, but a algorithm that creates aconyms for listnames longer than 16 chars. so, in shell what i want would be: listname_new = `/usr/local/bin/fixlist.sh $listname` /usr/bin/lurker-index -l $(listname_new) -m < email/message/post thanks for your help bye mejo -- Efficiency and progess is ours one more Now that we have the Neutron bomb It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030612/5ec8f07d/attachment.pgp From ronalde at xs4all.nl Thu Jun 12 12:09:24 2003 From: ronalde at xs4all.nl (Ronald van Engelen) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:09:24 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 403 Forbidden error accessing public archives In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030612103407.00ad6ef8@mail.openinfo.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030612103407.00ad6ef8@mail.openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <1055412554.1218.14.camel@xwing.lacocina.local> Thanks Richard for your useful info. I still however have the same problem. See details below for the modifications I've tried. Regards, Ronald Op do 12-06-2003, om 11:43 schreef Richard Barrett: > At 01:19 12/06/2003, Ronald van Engelen wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I'm getting the infamous 403 Access Forbidden error trying to access my > >public archives. > > > >I've read the faq and the README files but can't find my error. I'm > >using mailman 2.1.2-1 from Debian unstable with apache 1.3.27.0-1. > > > >In mm_cfg.py I have: > > > >PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/private' > >PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/pipermail' > > There were some changes in the URL handling between MM 2.0.x and 2.1.x > > It looks as though you are using the old style which may be causing you > problems. > > In MM 2.1.2 PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL is a full URL pattern. Installing from > source Defaults.py has the following definitions: > > PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s' I replaced my orginal PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL with the one above in mm_cfg.py > > MM 2.1.2's Defaults.py no longer defines PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL but is does > say the following: > > > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mailman.ftel.co.uk' > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mailman.ftel.co.uk' > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/' > > # DEFAULT_HOST_NAME has been replaced with DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, however some > # sites may have the former in their mm_cfg.py files. If so, we'll believe > # that, otherwise we'll believe DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST. Same for DEFAULT_URL. > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = None > DEFAULT_URL = None > I replaced my orginal lines with the ones above (commenting out DEFAULT_URL) and filling my sites parameters. > > Probably worth taking a closer look at Defaults.py and then updating your > mm_cfg.py to take account of changes between MM 2.0.x and MM 2.1.x > > Then repost if you still have a problem. After making the changes above and restarting the apache and mailman daemons, I still have the same problem. > >My relevant section in http.conf reads: > > > >Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ > > > > Options FollowSymLinks > > Order allow,deny > > Allow from all > > > > > >The directories in /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ are default > >symlinks to /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/ > > > >The permissions on the archive-directories in the latter are: > >drwxrwsr-x 5 www-data list > > > >On the index.html file: > >-rw-rw-rw- 1 www-data list > > > >I hope anybody can help. > > > >Thanks, > >Ronald > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ > >Mailman-Users mailing list > >Mailman-Users at python.org > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk > >Unsubscribe or change your options at > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk > > From Jean.Bausch at fujitsu-siemens.com Thu Jun 12 12:55:47 2003 From: Jean.Bausch at fujitsu-siemens.com (Bausch, Jean) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:55:47 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umlaut in message bodies are omitted Message-ID: <5B7690DAE02BD411A772009027FD68CC025976EC@mchrd23e.mch.fsc.net> I have now found who swallows the Umlauts in message bodies: I had inserted a 'fmt -s -w 80' in the mail aliases. Unfortunately on Solaris 7 this command erases the Umlauts. Hence my next question: Is there an option in mailman 2.1.2 to autowrap the messages after 80 characters or so? -- Jean Bausch From Jean.Bausch at fujitsu-siemens.com Thu Jun 12 14:54:00 2003 From: Jean.Bausch at fujitsu-siemens.com (Bausch, Jean) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:54:00 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing listname in public archive's URL Message-ID: <5B7690DAE02BD411A772009027FD68CC025976EE@mchrd23e.mch.fsc.net> (mailman 2.1.2 on Solaris/Intel) On the listinfo page the URL of a public archive is generated as http://myserver.mydomain/pipermail/ instead of http://myserver.mydomain/pipermail/listname/ The URL of a private archive is OK. It is generated as http://myserver.mydomain/mailman/private/listname/ In both cases the EDITHTML page shows the same encoding: Archives -- Jean Bausch From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu Jun 12 17:12:10 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:12:10 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 403 Forbidden error accessing public archives In-Reply-To: <1055412554.1218.14.camel@xwing.lacocina.local> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030612103407.00ad6ef8@mail.openinfo.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030612103407.00ad6ef8@mail.openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030612155604.00ad7040@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 11:09 12/06/2003, Ronald van Engelen wrote: >Thanks Richard for your useful info. I still however have the same >problem. See details below for the modifications I've tried. Ronald One thing I should have said is that after changing hosts and such you may want to run the $prefix/bin/withlist script fix_url.py to update the web_page_url attribute of existing lists. That said, I do not think that is the cause of this problem. Have you checked your web server access and error logs to see if they give any clues? Richard >Regards, >Ronald > >Op do 12-06-2003, om 11:43 schreef Richard Barrett: > > At 01:19 12/06/2003, Ronald van Engelen wrote: > > >Hi, > > > > > >I'm getting the infamous 403 Access Forbidden error trying to access my > > >public archives. > > > > > >I've read the faq and the README files but can't find my error. I'm > > >using mailman 2.1.2-1 from Debian unstable with apache 1.3.27.0-1. > > > > > >In mm_cfg.py I have: > > > > > >PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/private' > > >PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/pipermail' > > > > There were some changes in the URL handling between MM 2.0.x and 2.1.x > > > > It looks as though you are using the old style which may be causing you > > problems. > > > > In MM 2.1.2 PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL is a full URL pattern. Installing from > > source Defaults.py has the following definitions: > > > > PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s' > >I replaced my orginal PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL with the one above in mm_cfg.py > > > > > MM 2.1.2's Defaults.py no longer defines PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL but is does > > say the following: > > > > > > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mailman.xxx.co.uk' > > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mailman.xxx.co.uk' > > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/' > > > > # DEFAULT_HOST_NAME has been replaced with DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, however some > > # sites may have the former in their mm_cfg.py files. If so, we'll believe > > # that, otherwise we'll believe DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST. Same for DEFAULT_URL. > > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = None > > DEFAULT_URL = None > > > >I replaced my orginal lines with the ones above (commenting out >DEFAULT_URL) and filling my sites parameters. > > > > > Probably worth taking a closer look at Defaults.py and then updating your > > mm_cfg.py to take account of changes between MM 2.0.x and MM 2.1.x > > > > Then repost if you still have a problem. > >After making the changes above and restarting the apache and mailman >daemons, I still have the same problem. > > > >My relevant section in http.conf reads: > > > > > >Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ > > > > > > Options FollowSymLinks > > > Order allow,deny > > > Allow from all > > > > > > > > >The directories in /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ are default > > >symlinks to /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/ > > > > > >The permissions on the archive-directories in the latter are: > > >drwxrwsr-x 5 www-data list > > > > > >On the index.html file: > > >-rw-rw-rw- 1 www-data list > > > > > >I hope anybody can help. > > > > > >Thanks, > > >Ronald > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ > > >Mailman-Users mailing list > > >Mailman-Users at python.org > > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > >Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk > > >Unsubscribe or change your options at > > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openin > fo.co.uk > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Richard > Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From r.a.gardener at shu.ac.uk Thu Jun 12 17:19:40 2003 From: r.a.gardener at shu.ac.uk (Ray Gardener) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:19:40 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 problems after upgrading from 2.0.11 to 2.1 Message-ID: <00d201c330f6$0ba2c2d0$5a14348f@videoproducer> Hi, after today's upgrade 1) The list archives URLs seem to be broken; clicking on Go to list archives accesses the URL http://mailman.shu.ac.uk:8080/pipermail/ instead of http://mailman.shu.ac.uk:8080/pipermail/listname I can add the listname in. but clearly this in not what I would like. 2) the Overview of all shu.ac.uk mailing lists link URL- my webserver is listening on port 8080 as implied above but the mailman ignored this port number for the overview URL http://mailman.shu.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo instead of http://mailman.shu.ac.uk:8080/mailman/listinfo again I can add this in by hand but... Can someone point me at info as to how I can resolve these problems, please? (they were working correctly in 2.0.11) Thanks, _________________________________________________ Ray Gardener CIS Sheffield Hallam University Howard Street Sheffield UK S1 1WB (44) 0114 225 4926 From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu Jun 12 17:40:16 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:40:16 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] alternative archiver Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030612161914.03f571f8@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 10:54 12/06/2003, Jonas Meurer wrote: >*** PGP Signature Status: unknown >*** Signer: Unknown, Key ID xE25F2102 >*** Signed: 12/06/2003 10:54:00 >*** Verified: 12/06/2003 16:16:14 >*** BEGIN PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE *** > > >hello, >i'm trying to get mailman 2.1.2 running with an alternative archiver. >the archiver gets the mail through a program called 'lurker-index'. >commandline usage would be: >/usr/bin/lurker-index -l $(listname) -m < /path/to/message >so, $listname has to be the stuff in front of the @, like mailman-users Setting the following MM configuration variables in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py should get mail to be archived passed to your external archiver through STDIN: PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = "/usr/bin/lurker-index -l %(listname)s -m" PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = "/usr/bin/lurker-index -l %(listname)s -m" >for mailinglist mailman-users at python.org. how can i add this archiver? >how can i run it parallel to pipermail and how without pipermail? Specifying an external archiver this way will mean mail for all lists set to keep archives will be passed to it instead of MM's internal pipermail archiver. If you want to be selective about which lists use the external archiver or/and have both pipermail and external archiver archiving mail then you have to make delivery to the external archiver operate via a mail alias which is subscribed to the lists concerned and leave the MM config variables unchanged from their default values of No. >second, would it be possible to change $(listname) before archiver uses >it? i wrote a little script that fixes the listname (it's not always the >part in front of the @, but a algorithm that creates aconyms for >listnames longer than 16 chars. so, in shell what i want would be: >listname_new = `/usr/local/bin/fixlist.sh $listname` >/usr/bin/lurker-index -l $(listname_new) -m < email/message/post You cannot get MM to change the listname which it passes to the archiver unless you want to hack MM's source code but the external archiver command you tell MM to use in order to hand over mail to be archived can do anything it likes with the listnames it finds in its ARGV when it is called... >thanks for your help > > >bye > mejo > > >-- >Efficiency and progess is ours one more >Now that we have the Neutron bomb >It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done >Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight > > > >*** END PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu Jun 12 17:47:40 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:47:40 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 problems after upgrading from 2.0.11 to 2.1 In-Reply-To: <00d201c330f6$0ba2c2d0$5a14348f@videoproducer> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030612164123.03bfe470@mail.openinfo.co.uk> There are changes in the way MM 2.1.x handles URLs by comparison with 2.1.x Take a look at the comments in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py before and after the definition of DEFAULT_URL_HOST and related config variables. The resulting changes you then make in mm_cfg.py may solve some of the problems. At 16:19 12/06/2003, Ray Gardener wrote: >Hi, > >after today's upgrade > >1) The list archives URLs seem to be broken; clicking on > >Go to list archives > >accesses the URL > >http://mailman.shu.ac.uk:8080/pipermail/ > >instead of > >http://mailman.shu.ac.uk:8080/pipermail/listname > >I can add the listname in. but clearly this in not what I would like. > >2) the Overview of all shu.ac.uk mailing lists link URL- my webserver is >listening on port 8080 as implied above but the mailman ignored this port >number for the overview URL > >http://mailman.shu.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo > >instead of > >http://mailman.shu.ac.uk:8080/mailman/listinfo > >again I can add this in by hand but... > >Can someone point me at info as to how I can resolve these problems, please? >(they were working correctly in 2.0.11) > > >Thanks, >_________________________________________________ >Ray Gardener >CIS >Sheffield Hallam University >Howard Street >Sheffield >UK >S1 1WB >(44) 0114 225 4926 >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From kgs at bluehighways.com Thu Jun 12 22:41:57 2003 From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:41:57 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commercial provider for Mailman 2.1? Message-ID: <023401c33123$117b1040$0200a8c0@TAWANDA> Searched the archive and couldn't find an answer... I currently maintain a few small Mailman lists on Dreamhost. It's very reasonably priced and the service has been stable for the six months I've been using it, with only a few tiny gremlins I can ignore (not related to Mailman--more to do with hosting a subdomain). However, at present Dreamhost is using Mailman 2.0.13, and there are several must-have features I need for two large lists I manage (5,000 and 16,000 subscribers). The last time I checked, they were testing 2.1 but hadn't migrated to it yet. Can anyone recommend a commercial provider offering Mailman 2.1? (Dreamhost, feel free to step in and be my knight in shining e-mail...) ---------------------------------------------- Karen G. Schneider kgs at lii.org http://lii.org Director, Librarians' Index to the Internet lii.org New This Week: http://lii.org/ntw lii.org: Information You Can Trust! ---------------------------------------------- From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Thu Jun 12 23:24:51 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:24:51 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Commercial provider for Mailman 2.1? In-Reply-To: <023401c33123$117b1040$0200a8c0@TAWANDA> References: <023401c33123$117b1040$0200a8c0@TAWANDA> Message-ID: <20030612212451.GB8015@hq.newdream.net> On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 01:41:57PM -0700, Karen G. Schneider wrote: > However, at present Dreamhost is using Mailman 2.0.13, and there > are several must-have features I need for two large lists I manage > (5,000 and 16,000 subscribers). The last time I checked, they were > testing 2.1 but hadn't migrated to it yet. > > Can anyone recommend a commercial provider offering Mailman 2.1? > (Dreamhost, feel free to step in and be my knight in shining > e-mail...) We are definitely planning on upgrading, and it should be in the near future. We were hoping to improve the virtual hosting aspect, but 2.1 wasn't as useful for this as we had hoped. There are still changes we need to make to our backend, however, and we need to figure out the most painless way to handle migration over to the new machine / version. I can say that this is currently being worked on, and while I can't give you a specific ETA on when 2.1 will be fully working, it should be fairly soon. You can email support@ if you're interested in being a candidate for early migration to 2.1 once it's setup. Will (DreamHost) -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") From jdiMailman at iwashige.com Fri Jun 13 04:41:45 2003 From: jdiMailman at iwashige.com (Joel Iwashige) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:41:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bogus "admin request(s) waiting" message Message-ID: <007801c33155$6d73c270$0300a8c0@MOBILE> Greetings from a total newbie to *nix! I'm hoping someone can help resolve a question regarding a bogus "admin request(s) waiting" daily message. I've searched the archives and FAQ, but haven't found relevant information there. My situation: I'm using Mailman installed as part of the CPanel hosting package, and I've gotten the impression thus far that my host is far from expert concerning Mailman. All of my interaction w/ Mailman has been through the Web administrative interface, and I'm not at all sure that I have access rights to do anything from the console, although I apparently have read access to at least some of the list files. Some time ago, when attempting to deal with a pending admin request, I received an error (in true luser style, I neglected to record it, but IIRC it was a write error or access error of some sort) in the Mailman web admin interface, but the interface thereafter showed no pending requests. However, ever since then, I've been getting a daily reminder saying that there's a pending post from x at x.net, awaiting my approval. When I follow the link to the admin interface and log in, I get the AdminRequests page, but with the message that "There are no pending requests." Is there any way I can reset the relevant file from the web interface, or some information that I can give the person hosting my site to clean this up? The daily notification email is becoming rather annoying. One "voodoo" solution I've tried unsuccessfully is running another admin request through; in that case, IIRC, the reminder email changed to say that there was one pending request, the "genuine" one. However, on handling that request, the old problem reappeared. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks in advance! -Joel I From volcheck at acm.org Fri Jun 13 06:39:50 2003 From: volcheck at acm.org (Emil Volcheck) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 04:39:50 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi scripts fail silently Message-ID: <1055479164.999.90.camel@rosie.arsmagna.com> Hello, Mailman users, A little while ago I wrote to report a problem that my admindb was not being updated when I tried to manage it through the web page interface. It turns out my problem was more general: all web page cgi scripts simply do nothing (fail silently). When you press submit, you return to the page as though nothing had been submitted. In particular, nobody can subscribe, which is a real problem. I thought that perhaps the cgi scripts were expecting to be run by Apache under a different group membership, however I verified that our Apache is running as "www" and that Mailman was expecting "www" group membership -- seemingly no problem there. We're running Mailman 2.1.2 and Apache on FreeBSD and have reinstalled Mailman already. Running bin/check_perms -f seems not to help. I would appreciate any pointers or suggestions. Thanks, --Emil Emil Volcheck volcheck at acm.org From ruppi_mailman at yahoo.com Fri Jun 13 10:21:53 2003 From: ruppi_mailman at yahoo.com (Rupak Mohan) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 01:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems while Installing Mailman 2.1.2 Message-ID: <20030613082153.58255.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> Hi All, I am trying to install Mailman 2.1.2 on Redhat linux 7.2, so as per the installation requirements i have installed Python 2.2.3, and by default there is Perl 5.0.2 already installed . while i was able to successfully install Python 2.2.3 , i got the below problem while installing Mailman my installation folder is /var/mailman. the system was able to run the configuration file,but when i tried to run "make install".. it says that -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Creating architecture independant directories.. make[1]:Entering Directory '/var/mailman/bin' blah...blah...blah.. do \ usr/bin/install -c -m 755 ..build/bin/$f /var/mailman/bin \ done make[1]:Leaving Directory '/var/mailman/bin' make[1]:Entering Directory '/var/mailman/cron' for f in crontab.in; \ do \ /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /var/mailman/cron;\ done /usr/bin/install; 'crontab.in' and 'var/mailman/cron/crontab.in' are the same file make[1]"***[install] Error; make[1]:Leaving Directory '/var/mailman/cron' make[1]:Entering Directory '/var/mailman/misc' blah...blah..blah and -------------------. -------------------- /usr/bin/install \: '/Autoresponder.py' and '/var/mailman/Mailman/Autoresponder.py' are the same file /usr/bin/install \: '/Bouncer.py' and '/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py' are the same file /usr/bin/install \: '/Defaults.py' and '/var/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py' are the same file /usr/bin/install \: '/Deliver.py' and '/var/mailman/Mailman/Deliver.py' are the same file --------------- -------------- make[1]:***[install] Error; make[1]:Leaving Directory '/var/mailman/Mailman' make[1]:Entering Directory '/var/mailman/scripts' --------------------- ------------------- make :[do-install] Error 2 -------------------------------------------------- and stops here it almost says repeats the above line 'are the same file' for all the files listed .. Please tell me how to proceed further..I am desperate to install Mailman..kindly give me some idea to proceed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanx in advance Best Regards Rupak --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Jun 13 10:31:58 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:31:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems while Installing Mailman 2.1.2 In-Reply-To: <20030613082153.58255.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030613092708.03e21ea0@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 09:21 13/06/2003, Rupak Mohan wrote: >Hi All, > > I am trying to install Mailman 2.1.2 on Redhat linux 7.2, >so as per the installation requirements i have installed Python 2.2.3, >and by default there is Perl 5.0.2 already installed . > > while i was able to successfully install Python 2.2.3 , i got the below > problem while installing Mailman > > my installation folder is /var/mailman. > > the system was able to run the configuration file,but when i tried to > run "make install".. > >it says that >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Creating architecture independant directories.. >make[1]:Entering Directory '/var/mailman/bin' > > blah...blah...blah.. >do \ > > usr/bin/install -c -m 755 ..build/bin/$f /var/mailman/bin \ >done >make[1]:Leaving Directory '/var/mailman/bin' >make[1]:Entering Directory '/var/mailman/cron' >for f in crontab.in; \ >do \ > /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /var/mailman/cron;\ >done > /usr/bin/install; 'crontab.in' and 'var/mailman/cron/crontab.in' are the > same file >make[1]"***[install] Error; >make[1]:Leaving Directory '/var/mailman/cron' >make[1]:Entering Directory '/var/mailman/misc' This looks as though you are trying to install Mailman into its own build directory. Typically, you would unzip and extract the Mailman source into a directory, say /home/mailman, so that the build directory would then be, say, /home/mailman/mailman-2.1.2. From that build directory you would ./configure and make install into /var/mailman. > > >blah...blah..blah > >and >-------------------. >-------------------- >/usr/bin/install \: '/Autoresponder.py' and >'/var/mailman/Mailman/Autoresponder.py' are the same file > >/usr/bin/install \: '/Bouncer.py' and '/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py' >are the same file > >/usr/bin/install \: '/Defaults.py' and '/var/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py' >are the same file > >/usr/bin/install \: '/Deliver.py' and '/var/mailman/Mailman/Deliver.py' >are the same file > >--------------- >-------------- > > >make[1]:***[install] Error; >make[1]:Leaving Directory '/var/mailman/Mailman' >make[1]:Entering Directory '/var/mailman/scripts' > > >--------------------- >------------------- > >make :[do-install] Error 2 >-------------------------------------------------- >and stops here > >it almost says repeats the above line 'are the same file' for all the >files listed .. > >Please tell me how to proceed further..I am desperate to install >Mailman..kindly give me some idea to proceed > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanx in advance > >Best Regards >Rupak > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From zieritz at sovik.no Fri Jun 13 10:48:15 2003 From: zieritz at sovik.no (Andreas Zieritz) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:48:15 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailmanctl / qrunner Message-ID: <3EE98FCF.1010105@sovik.no> I can't get any mail out to the lists and do think that some cron-jobs are not working as they should. - version of mailman you are running, mailman-2.1.2-1 - how it was installed (via rpm, apt-get, or source), rpm - version of OS your server is running, RedHat Linux 9 - the MTA (sendmail, postfix, exim, qmail, etc) running on your server. sendmail Problem description: Mail is apparently going in, but no action from Mailman. /var/log/maillog: Jun 13 09:36:47 intranett sendmail[1845]: h5D7ak8l001845: from=, size=834, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<3EE97F47.2000303 at sovik.no>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=etv-relay.eltelevest.no [213.188.18.132] Jun 13 09:36:47 intranett sendmail[1846]: h5D7ak8l001845: to="|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post pondus", ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=31054, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent [There was no reply or outgoing mail afterwards]. /var/log/cron: Jun 13 09:50:00 intranett CROND[1975]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/gate_news) Jun 13 09:55:00 intranett CROND[2036]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/gate_news) [I wonder if the qrunner-program was substituted by gate_news?] I can't find any other logfiles in Mailman directory having information about something happening. Membership subscription of lists was done via web-interface. I did not get any mail about subscriptions even if I should have. How in fact is this mailmanctl program started normally? Is this the key to all troubles? From NITIN.VERMA at APPL.GE.COM Fri Jun 13 11:47:41 2003 From: NITIN.VERMA at APPL.GE.COM (Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706)) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 05:47:41 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice Message-ID: <62E407E3139D564FBFD7273C369F323101F7635E@banexpr01applge.appl.ge.com> Hi All, 1. Do I need root to install/build Mailman? 2. Is 2.1.2 the latest version? 3. what autoconf version do I need on the box? 4. Do I need a web server also? 5. If yes, is Apache Httpd Server OK? 6. Where should I download? SourceForge? Regards, Nitin Verma From richard at newmeja.com Fri Jun 13 12:08:02 2003 From: richard at newmeja.com (Richard Glover) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:08:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New List Setup Message-ID: <001801c33193$ad0782d0$0700000a@clc.mclc.org.uk> I'm running Mailman 2.1.2 and Exim 3.36, I've already got mailing lists set up but when I add a new one I just get 550 Unknown local part errors. I've been told to put the aliases in my /etc/aliases file but there are no aliases for any of the other lists on the machine in there and when I do put them in, it still doesn't work. There are 3 other lists on the machine that work fine without there being any mailman related aliases in /etc/alises. I can see in my exim config it looks in /var/lib/mailman/lists/ for a config file, this file is there for all my other lists, but it isnt there for the new one. I've had a read through the archives and cant find anything that will fix my problem, im sure its easy, but im retarded ;) Cheers Rich From NITIN.VERMA at APPL.GE.COM Fri Jun 13 13:44:27 2003 From: NITIN.VERMA at APPL.GE.COM (Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706)) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:44:27 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice Message-ID: <62E407E3139D564FBFD7273C369F323101F763AA@banexpr01applge.appl.ge.com> Hi All, Please help out on this: ------------------------ 1. I download mailman 2.1.2 ( http://flow.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/mailman/mailman-2.1.2.tgz ) 2. I download python 2.2.3 ( http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.2.3/Python-2.2.3.tgz ) 3. Made python as "/opt/neo/local/Python-2.2.3/bin/python" 4. I Ran -> pwd=/opt/neo/build/mailman-2.1.2 /opt/neo/sources/mailman-2.1.2/configure --with-username=neo --with-groupname=neo --prefix=/opt/neo/local/mailman-2.1.2 --with-var-prefix=/opt/neo/var/mailman-2.1.2 --with-python=/opt/neo/local/Python-2.2.3/bin/python -----make install-------------------- ... Compiling /opt/neo/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/__init__.py ... Compiling /opt/neo/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/htmlformat.py ... Compiling /opt/neo/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/i18n.py ... Compiling /opt/neo/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/mm_cfg.py ... Compiling /opt/neo/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/versions.py ... Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/update", line 45, in ? import paths File "bin/paths.py", line 55, in ? import japanese ImportError: No module named japanese make: *** [update] Error 1 -------------------------------- Q7. Why do I need japanese? ----./check_perms--------------------- Could not import paths! This probably means that you are trying to run check_perms from the source directory. You must run this from the installation directory instead. Traceback (most recent call last): File "./check_perms", line 38, in ? import paths File "./paths.py", line 55, in ? import japanese ImportError: No module named japanese ------------------------ Q8. What did I do wrong? Previous Question:- Q1. Do I need root to install/build Mailman? Q2. Is 2.1.2 the latest version? Q3. what autoconf version do I need on the box? Q4. Do I need a web server also? Q5. If yes, is Apache Httpd Server OK? Q6. Where should I download? SourceForge? ------------------------- Regards, Nitin Verma -----Original Message----- From: Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706) Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:18 PM To: Mailman Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice Hi All, 1. Do I need root to install/build Mailman? 2. Is 2.1.2 the latest version? 3. what autoconf version do I need on the box? 4. Do I need a web server also? 5. If yes, is Apache Httpd Server OK? 6. Where should I download? SourceForge? Regards, Nitin Verma From jiangds at cisp.org.cn Fri Jun 13 05:39:26 2003 From: jiangds at cisp.org.cn (jiangds) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:39:26 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] check-perms error Message-ID: <005601c3315d$63f891a0$60b463d3@cnitsec1a6917d> Hi list, I got a error when I run the ./check_perms Traceback (most recent call last): File "./check_perms", line51, in ? MAILMAN_GID = grp.getgrnam(MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found How can I deel with it? From NITIN.VERMA at APPL.GE.COM Fri Jun 13 14:18:31 2003 From: NITIN.VERMA at APPL.GE.COM (Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706)) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:18:31 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice Message-ID: <62E407E3139D564FBFD7273C369F323101F763C4@banexpr01applge.appl.ge.com> Q9. Where will I get python-devel? I can locate one ... but where will I get source that I can build ? ( http://www.lsc-group.phys.uwm.edu/cgi-bin/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/7.3install/commonc onfig/rpms/python2-devel-2.2.1-2.i386.rpm?cvsroot=medusa ) I just read README.LINUX:- ----------------------------------- PYTHON PACKAGES Note that if you installed Python from your Linux distribution's package manager (e.g. .rpms for Redhat-derived systems or .deb for Debian), you must install the `development' package of Python, or you may not get everything you need. For example, using Python 2.2 on Debian, you will need to install the python2.2-dev package. On Redhat, you probably need the python2-devel package. If you install Python from source, you should be fine. One symptom of this problem, although for unknown reasons, is that you might get an error such as this during your install: Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/update", line 44, in ? import paths ImportError: No module named paths make: *** [update] Error 1 If this happens, install the Python development package and try "configure ; make install" again. This problem can manifest itself in other Linux distributions in different ways, although usually it appears as ImportErrors. --------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706) Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 5:14 PM To: Mailman Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice Importance: High Hi All, Please help out on this: ------------------------ 1. I download mailman 2.1.2 ( http://flow.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/mailman/mailman-2.1.2.tgz ) 2. I download python 2.2.3 ( http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.2.3/Python-2.2.3.tgz ) 3. Made python as "/opt/neo/local/Python-2.2.3/bin/python" 4. I Ran -> pwd=/opt/neo/build/mailman-2.1.2 /opt/neo/sources/mailman-2.1.2/configure --with-username=neo --with-groupname=neo --prefix=/opt/neo/local/mailman-2.1.2 --with-var-prefix=/opt/neo/var/mailman-2.1.2 --with-python=/opt/neo/local/Python-2.2.3/bin/python -----make install-------------------- ... Compiling /opt/neo/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/__init__.py ... Compiling /opt/neo/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/htmlformat.py ... Compiling /opt/neo/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/i18n.py ... Compiling /opt/neo/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/mm_cfg.py ... Compiling /opt/neo/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/versions.py ... Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/update", line 45, in ? import paths File "bin/paths.py", line 55, in ? import japanese ImportError: No module named japanese make: *** [update] Error 1 -------------------------------- Q7. Why do I need japanese? ----./check_perms--------------------- Could not import paths! This probably means that you are trying to run check_perms from the source directory. You must run this from the installation directory instead. Traceback (most recent call last): File "./check_perms", line 38, in ? import paths File "./paths.py", line 55, in ? import japanese ImportError: No module named japanese ------------------------ Q8. What did I do wrong? Previous Question:- Q1. Do I need root to install/build Mailman? Q2. Is 2.1.2 the latest version? Q3. what autoconf version do I need on the box? Q4. Do I need a web server also? Q5. If yes, is Apache Httpd Server OK? Q6. Where should I download? SourceForge? ------------------------- Regards, Nitin Verma -----Original Message----- From: Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706) Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:18 PM To: Mailman Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice Hi All, 1. Do I need root to install/build Mailman? 2. Is 2.1.2 the latest version? 3. what autoconf version do I need on the box? 4. Do I need a web server also? 5. If yes, is Apache Httpd Server OK? 6. Where should I download? SourceForge? Regards, Nitin Verma From NITIN.VERMA at APPL.GE.COM Fri Jun 13 14:23:25 2003 From: NITIN.VERMA at APPL.GE.COM (Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706)) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:23:25 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] check-perms error Message-ID: <62E407E3139D564FBFD7273C369F323101F763C8@banexpr01applge.appl.ge.com> cd $prefix chgrp ts . chmod a+rx,g+ws . Should work! -----Original Message----- From: jiangds [mailto:jiangds at cisp.org.cn] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:09 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] check-perms error Hi list, I got a error when I run the ./check_perms Traceback (most recent call last): File "./check_perms", line51, in ? MAILMAN_GID = grp.getgrnam(MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found How can I deel with it? From NITIN.VERMA at APPL.GE.COM Fri Jun 13 14:36:26 2003 From: NITIN.VERMA at APPL.GE.COM (Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706)) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:36:26 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] check-perms error Message-ID: <62E407E3139D564FBFD7273C369F323101F763CE@banexpr01applge.appl.ge.com> cd $prefix chgrp . chmod a+rx,g+ws . ./configure --with-groupname= if not set =mailman -----Original Message----- From: jiangds [mailto:jiangds at cisp.org.cn] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:09 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] check-perms error Hi list, I got a error when I run the ./check_perms Traceback (most recent call last): File "./check_perms", line51, in ? MAILMAN_GID = grp.getgrnam(MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found How can I deel with it? From NITIN.VERMA at APPL.GE.COM Fri Jun 13 14:38:23 2003 From: NITIN.VERMA at APPL.GE.COM (Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706)) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:38:23 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice Message-ID: <62E407E3139D564FBFD7273C369F323101F763CF@banexpr01applge.appl.ge.com> OS Spec:- Red Hat Linux release 7.2 (Enigma) Kernel 2.4.18-19.7.xsmp on an i686 ---- I can't see python-devel under http://updates.redhat.com/7.2/en/os/i686/, where to get the binary or the source? -----Original Message----- From: Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706) Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 5:49 PM To: Mailman Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice Q9. Where will I get python-devel? I can locate one ... but where will I get source that I can build ? ( http://www.lsc-group.phys.uwm.edu/cgi-bin/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/7.3install/commonc onfig/rpms/python2-devel-2.2.1-2.i386.rpm?cvsroot=medusa ) I just read README.LINUX:- ----------------------------------- PYTHON PACKAGES Note that if you installed Python from your Linux distribution's package manager (e.g. .rpms for Redhat-derived systems or .deb for Debian), you must install the `development' package of Python, or you may not get everything you need. For example, using Python 2.2 on Debian, you will need to install the python2.2-dev package. On Redhat, you probably need the python2-devel package. If you install Python from source, you should be fine. One symptom of this problem, although for unknown reasons, is that you might get an error such as this during your install: Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/update", line 44, in ? import paths ImportError: No module named paths make: *** [update] Error 1 If this happens, install the Python development package and try "configure ; make install" again. This problem can manifest itself in other Linux distributions in different ways, although usually it appears as ImportErrors. --------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706) Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 5:14 PM To: Mailman Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice Importance: High Hi All, Please help out on this: ------------------------ 1. I download mailman 2.1.2 ( http://flow.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/mailman/mailman-2.1.2.tgz ) 2. I download python 2.2.3 ( http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.2.3/Python-2.2.3.tgz ) 3. Made python as "/opt/neo/local/Python-2.2.3/bin/python" 4. I Ran -> pwd=/opt/neo/build/mailman-2.1.2 /opt/neo/sources/mailman-2.1.2/configure --with-username=neo --with-groupname=neo --prefix=/opt/neo/local/mailman-2.1.2 --with-var-prefix=/opt/neo/var/mailman-2.1.2 --with-python=/opt/neo/local/Python-2.2.3/bin/python -----make install-------------------- ... Compiling /opt/neo/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/__init__.py ... Compiling /opt/neo/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/htmlformat.py ... Compiling /opt/neo/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/i18n.py ... Compiling /opt/neo/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/mm_cfg.py ... Compiling /opt/neo/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/versions.py ... Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/update", line 45, in ? import paths File "bin/paths.py", line 55, in ? import japanese ImportError: No module named japanese make: *** [update] Error 1 -------------------------------- Q7. Why do I need japanese? ----./check_perms--------------------- Could not import paths! This probably means that you are trying to run check_perms from the source directory. You must run this from the installation directory instead. Traceback (most recent call last): File "./check_perms", line 38, in ? import paths File "./paths.py", line 55, in ? import japanese ImportError: No module named japanese ------------------------ Q8. What did I do wrong? Previous Question:- Q1. Do I need root to install/build Mailman? Q2. Is 2.1.2 the latest version? Q3. what autoconf version do I need on the box? Q4. Do I need a web server also? Q5. If yes, is Apache Httpd Server OK? Q6. Where should I download? SourceForge? ------------------------- Regards, Nitin Verma -----Original Message----- From: Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706) Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:18 PM To: Mailman Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice Hi All, 1. Do I need root to install/build Mailman? 2. Is 2.1.2 the latest version? 3. what autoconf version do I need on the box? 4. Do I need a web server also? 5. If yes, is Apache Httpd Server OK? 6. Where should I download? SourceForge? Regards, Nitin Verma From gaf at blu.org Fri Jun 13 15:59:29 2003 From: gaf at blu.org (Jerry Feldman) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:59:29 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] backing up, editing and restoring config.db Message-ID: <20030613095929.19c10388.gaf@blu.org> I need to make a couple of edit changes in config.db for a list: I can use dumpdb to create an ASCII version of the configuration, but I don't remember how to convert the ASCII version back to config.db. I've actually done this once 6 or 7 months ago, but I was unable to find this in the FAQ or archives. Actually, I renamed 2 lists, but the pointer to the archives in config.db still points to the old list archives. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030613/1c63583e/attachment.pgp From Jean.Bausch at fujitsu-siemens.com Fri Jun 13 15:59:17 2003 From: Jean.Bausch at fujitsu-siemens.com (Bausch, Jean) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:59:17 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailmanctl / qrunner Message-ID: <5B7690DAE02BD411A772009027FD68CC025976F2@mchrd23e.mch.fsc.net> Yes, you have to start mailmanctl (it took me a while to find it, too). For a one-time-start it's enough to call bin/mailmanctl start in the mailman home directory. To have it started on each reboot you must include it in the /etc/init.d directory (or whatever it is called in RedHat). The INSTALL file in the directory where you unpacked your mailman describes this very well. -- Jean Bausch From guallar at easternrad.com Fri Jun 13 16:23:15 2003 From: guallar at easternrad.com (Josep L. Guallar-Esteve) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:23:15 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice In-Reply-To: <62E407E3139D564FBFD7273C369F323101F7635E@banexpr01applge.appl.ge.com> References: <62E407E3139D564FBFD7273C369F323101F7635E@banexpr01applge.appl.ge.com> Message-ID: <200306131023.15636.guallar@easternrad.com> On Friday 13 June 2003 05:47 am, Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706) wrote: > Hi All, Hi Vitin, > 1. Do I need root to install/build Mailman? Under *nix, you either need to be root or have root-like access (sudo) > 2. Is 2.1.2 the latest version? http://www.list.org/ > 3. what autoconf version do I need on the box? ...one that works? autoconf-2.13 works for me (RedHat 7.3) > 4. Do I need a web server also? Yes, as it has web-based administration. > 5. If yes, is Apache Httpd Server OK? Yes. > 6. Where should I download? SourceForge? http://www.list.org/download.html Maybe it's already included in your Linux distribution. Check it out. > Regards, > Nitin Verma You can go ahead and read some documentation: Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Mailman Documentation: http://www.list.org/docs.html Regards, Josep -- Josep L. Guallar-Esteve Eastern Radiologists, Inc. Systems and Network Administration http://www.easternrad.com From mmuserslist at nwcweb.com Fri Jun 13 16:30:43 2003 From: mmuserslist at nwcweb.com (David J. Duffner - NWCWEB.com) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:30:43 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailmanctl / qrunner In-Reply-To: <5B7690DAE02BD411A772009027FD68CC025976F2@mchrd23e.mch.fsc.net> Message-ID: Greetings, Actually if you follow the INSTALL directions for copying the script into the /etc/init.d or /etc/rc.d/init.d directory (depending on machine/OS), once it's in there you can also just (possibly sh) mailman start from that location. But you are correct, I've found it must be started manually the first time to get things in motion. Otherwise it'll stack up in the queue files until the cows come home! David J. Duffner VP Operations http://www.nwcxpress.com -------------------------------------------- NWC Corporation - Global e-Pay Solutions POSA terminals, Merchant Accounts, E-payment solutions, Gift Cards and much more! NWCWEB.com - Your design, hosting and e- commerce solution! Featuring Miva Merchant e-commerce and Sun Cobalt RaQ platforms -------------------------------------------- >-----Original Message----- >From: mailman-users-bounces+mmuserslist=nwcweb.com at python.org >[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mmuserslist=nwcweb.com at python.org]On >Behalf Of Bausch, Jean >Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:59 AM >To: 'mailman-users at python.org' >Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailmanctl / qrunner > > >Yes, you have to start mailmanctl (it took me a while to >find it, too). >For a one-time-start it's enough to call >bin/mailmanctl start >in the mailman home directory. > >To have it started on each reboot you must include it in the >/etc/init.d directory (or whatever it is called in RedHat). >The INSTALL file in the directory where you unpacked your >mailman describes this very well. > >-- >Jean Bausch > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: mmuserslist at nwcweb.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mmuserslist%40nwc web.com From Admin at edgewood.k12.wi.us Wed Jun 11 20:14:04 2003 From: Admin at edgewood.k12.wi.us (ADMIN) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:14:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Interest in Using Program Message-ID: I am the technology person for a private Catholic high school. We recently learned about another Catholic high school that was using Mailman for the alumni page of their website. What we are interested in doing is the following: An alumni email "chat room" where alums can log in, look up the email address of other alumni and then exchange messages. Please advise if this is possible for us. We have our own web server which is running Novell Netware 6.0. Thanks. C. Schaaf Technology Coordinator Edgewood High School Madison, WI (608) 257-1023, ext. 176 From ngaugler at ngworld.net Thu Jun 12 02:54:50 2003 From: ngaugler at ngworld.net (Nick Gaugler) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:54:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan Issues Message-ID: <008301c3307d$3b0f2780$3201a8c0@LAPTOP> I am currently using MailMan version 2.01 and I am seeing a large amount of problems with the software. For starters, the header and footer are not being included in the e-mails. Secondly, the entire General postings filters section is missing from the privacy page, which is listed here http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html. There is no way to change a list to unmoderated from the default moderated, etc. I am also seeing problems where only some of the users are receiving the e-mails that are sent out, as if MailMan isn't properly sending to everyone. Are there fixes for these bugs or is this something you just have to deal with? Thanks, Nick From kgs at lii.org Thu Jun 12 22:39:02 2003 From: kgs at lii.org (Karen G. Schneider) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:39:02 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commercial provider for Mailman 2.1? Message-ID: <021101c33122$a9ac3430$0200a8c0@TAWANDA> Searched the archive and couldn't find an answer... I currently maintain a few small Mailman lists on Dreamhost. It's very reasonably priced and the service has been stable for the six months I've been using it, with only a few tiny gremlins I can ignore (not related to Mailman--more to do with hosting a subdomain). However, at present Dreamhost is using Mailman 2.0.13, and there are several must-have features I need for two large lists I manage (5,000 and 16,000 subscribers). The last time I checked, they were testing 2.1 but hadn't migrated to it yet. Can anyone recommend a commercial provider offering Mailman 2.1? (Dreamhost, feel free to step in and be my knight in shining e-mail...) ---------------------------------------------- Karen G. Schneider kgs at lii.org http://lii.org Director, Librarians' Index to the Internet lii.org New This Week: http://lii.org/ntw lii.org: Information You Can Trust! ---------------------------------------------- From rlevins at emitinc.com Thu Jun 12 22:50:58 2003 From: rlevins at emitinc.com (Rathan Levins) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:50:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mime Exploit found in Mailman-2.1.2 source tarball Message-ID: <001a01c33124$54678540$6e01a8c0@python> Hello - I downloaded the Mailman 2.1.2 tarball yesterday, and ran into an issue with a virus scan. McAfee commandline virus scan found Exploit-MIME.gen, a generic MIME format "virus" that exploits the "Microsoft Incorrect MIME Header vulnerability". I downloaded the source tarball yesterday, and the virus scanner hit on it after a crontab job ran uvscan. Below is the output when I scanned the suspect file. [root at emit_server msgs]# uvscan /usr/local/src/mailman-2.1.2/tests/msgs/nimda.txt /usr/local/src/mailman-2.1.2/tests/msgs/nimda.txt Found the Exploit-MIME.gen virus !!! Is this an issue? Is this the right forum for this question? I would like to install mailman as our company's mailing list manager, but would like to understand this better. Thanks, Rathan Levins Sys Admin EMIT Inc. www.emitinc.com From zieritz at sovik.no Fri Jun 13 10:04:22 2003 From: zieritz at sovik.no (Andreas Zieritz) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:04:22 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No mail going out Message-ID: <3EE98586.4090909@sovik.no> I have troubles getting Mailman working and would like to get some help. - version of mailman you are running, mailman-2.1.2-1 - how it was installed (via rpm, apt-get, or source), rpm - version of OS your server is running, RedHat Linux 9 - the MTA (sendmail, postfix, exim, qmail, etc) running on your server. sendmail Problem description: Mail is apparently going in, but no action from Mailman. /var/log/maillog: Jun 13 09:36:47 intranett sendmail[1845]: h5D7ak8l001845: from=, size=834, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<3EE97F47.2000303 at sovik.no>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=etv-relay.eltelevest.no [213.188.18.132] Jun 13 09:36:47 intranett sendmail[1846]: h5D7ak8l001845: to="|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post pondus", ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=31054, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent [There was no reply or outgoing mail afterwards]. /var/log/cron: Jun 13 09:50:00 intranett CROND[1975]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/gate_news) Jun 13 09:55:00 intranett CROND[2036]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/gate_news) [I wonder if the qrunner-program was substituted by gate_news?] I can't find any other logfiles in Mailman directory having information about something happening. Membership subscription of lists was done via web-interface. I did not get any mail about subscriptions even if I should have. From YouDoMagic at comcast.net Fri Jun 13 02:34:40 2003 From: YouDoMagic at comcast.net (Dan Turcotte) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:34:40 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HI I have just set up a mailing list with dominet.net Message-ID: I have no idea how to use the mailman program. I am on a Mac computer. Please help me. Dan Turcotte Youdomagic.com From NITIN.VERMA at APPL.GE.COM Fri Jun 13 16:59:06 2003 From: NITIN.VERMA at APPL.GE.COM (Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706)) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:59:06 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice Message-ID: <62E407E3139D564FBFD7273C369F32310211B9D6@banexpr01applge.appl.ge.com> Thanx so much ... some more questions Q7. Why do I need japanese? ----./check_perms--------------------- Could not import paths! This probably means that you are trying to run check_perms from the source directory. You must run this from the installation directory instead. Traceback (most recent call last): File "./check_perms", line 38, in ? import paths File "./paths.py", line 55, in ? import japanese ImportError: No module named japanese ------------------------ Q8. What did I do wrong? Q9. Where will I get python-devel? I can locate one ... but where will I get source that I can build ? ( http://www.lsc-group.phys.uwm.edu/cgi-bin/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/7.3install/commonc onfig/rpms/python2-devel-2.2.1-2.i386.rpm?cvsroot=medusa ) -----Original Message----- From: Josep L. Guallar-Esteve [mailto:guallar at easternrad.com] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 7:53 PM To: Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706) Cc: Mailman Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice On Friday 13 June 2003 05:47 am, Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706) wrote: > Hi All, Hi Vitin, > 1. Do I need root to install/build Mailman? Under *nix, you either need to be root or have root-like access (sudo) > 2. Is 2.1.2 the latest version? http://www.list.org/ > 3. what autoconf version do I need on the box? ...one that works? autoconf-2.13 works for me (RedHat 7.3) > 4. Do I need a web server also? Yes, as it has web-based administration. > 5. If yes, is Apache Httpd Server OK? Yes. > 6. Where should I download? SourceForge? http://www.list.org/download.html Maybe it's already included in your Linux distribution. Check it out. > Regards, > Nitin Verma You can go ahead and read some documentation: Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Mailman Documentation: http://www.list.org/docs.html Regards, Josep -- Josep L. Guallar-Esteve Eastern Radiologists, Inc. Systems and Network Administration http://www.easternrad.com From mitchell at cuip.net Fri Jun 13 17:05:55 2003 From: mitchell at cuip.net (Mitchell Marks) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:05:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice In-Reply-To: <62E407E3139D564FBFD7273C369F32310211B9D6@banexpr01applge.appl.ge.com> References: <62E407E3139D564FBFD7273C369F32310211B9D6@banexpr01applge.appl.ge.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706) wrote: > Q9. Where will I get python-devel? > I can locate one ... but where will I get source that I can build ? You can get the full Python source from http://python.org/ -- mitch -- Mitchell Marks CUIP Tech Coordinator http://cuip.net/cuip CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project 5640 S Ellis Ave AAC-045, Univ of Chgo, Chgo IL 60637 Telephone: Ofc 773-702-6041 Fax 702-8212 Home (v.m. only, ok any time) 241-7166 Email: Primary address: mitchell at cuip.uchicago.edu Alternate UofC addresses (use especially to report problems with cuip.uchicago.edu): mitchell at cs.uchicago.edu and mmar at midway.uchicago.edu Off-campus (ISP) address: mmarks at pobox.com Email to pager (for SHORT text msgs): 7736206744 at mobile.att.net Any two people may be talking to each other, at any moment, in a civilized way about something trivial, or even something complex and delicate. And inside each of the two there runs a kind of dark river of unconnected thought, of secret fear, or violence, or bliss -- hoped-for or lost -- which keeps pace with the flow of talk and is mostly neither seen nor heard. And then at times one or both of the two will catch sight or sound of this movement, in himself, or herself, or, more rarely, in the other. And it is like the quick slip of a waterfall into a pool, like a drop into darkness. The pace changes, the weight of the air, though the talk may run smoothly onward without a ripple or quiver. -- A. S. Byatt, "The Chinese Lobster" From NITIN.VERMA at APPL.GE.COM Fri Jun 13 17:14:45 2003 From: NITIN.VERMA at APPL.GE.COM (Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706)) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:14:45 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice Message-ID: <62E407E3139D564FBFD7273C369F32310211B9DB@banexpr01applge.appl.ge.com> I can't find a python-devel there... -----Original Message----- From: Mitchell Marks [mailto:mitchell at cuip.net] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:36 PM To: Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706) Cc: Mailman Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706) wrote: > Q9. Where will I get python-devel? > I can locate one ... but where will I get source that I can build ? You can get the full Python source from http://python.org/ -- mitch -- Mitchell Marks CUIP Tech Coordinator http://cuip.net/cuip CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project 5640 S Ellis Ave AAC-045, Univ of Chgo, Chgo IL 60637 Telephone: Ofc 773-702-6041 Fax 702-8212 Home (v.m. only, ok any time) 241-7166 Email: Primary address: mitchell at cuip.uchicago.edu Alternate UofC addresses (use especially to report problems with cuip.uchicago.edu): mitchell at cs.uchicago.edu and mmar at midway.uchicago.edu Off-campus (ISP) address: mmarks at pobox.com Email to pager (for SHORT text msgs): 7736206744 at mobile.att.net Any two people may be talking to each other, at any moment, in a civilized way about something trivial, or even something complex and delicate. And inside each of the two there runs a kind of dark river of unconnected thought, of secret fear, or violence, or bliss -- hoped-for or lost -- which keeps pace with the flow of talk and is mostly neither seen nor heard. And then at times one or both of the two will catch sight or sound of this movement, in himself, or herself, or, more rarely, in the other. And it is like the quick slip of a waterfall into a pool, like a drop into darkness. The pace changes, the weight of the air, though the talk may run smoothly onward without a ripple or quiver. -- A. S. Byatt, "The Chinese Lobster" ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: nitin.verma at appl.ge.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/nitin.verma%40appl.ge.c om From mitchell at cuip.net Fri Jun 13 17:20:40 2003 From: mitchell at cuip.net (Mitchell Marks) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:20:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice In-Reply-To: <62E407E3139D564FBFD7273C369F32310211B9DB@banexpr01applge.appl.ge.com> References: <62E407E3139D564FBFD7273C369F32310211B9DB@banexpr01applge.appl.ge.com> Message-ID: AFAIK, "python-devel" is just a name distinguishing one RPM from another. If you're building from source, you will get the things contained in both the python and the python-devel RPMs, such as libraries and includes. --mitch On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706) wrote: > > I can't find a python-devel there... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mitchell Marks [mailto:mitchell at cuip.net] > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:36 PM > To: Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706) > Cc: Mailman > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice > > > On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706) wrote: > > > Q9. Where will I get python-devel? > > I can locate one ... but where will I get source that I can build ? > > You can get the full Python source from http://python.org/ > > -- mitch > > > > -- Mitchell Marks CUIP Tech Coordinator http://cuip.net/cuip CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project 5640 S Ellis Ave AAC-045, Univ of Chgo, Chgo IL 60637 From scott.coats at mwsc.com Fri Jun 13 17:27:16 2003 From: scott.coats at mwsc.com (Scott Coats) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & Postfix error - postalias Message-ID: <55487.192.168.1.122.1055518036.squirrel@dch810.mwsc.com> Hello, I received the follow error while trying to create a list on my server. I am running Postfix as my MTA and trying to set Mailman to work with Postfix without using virtual domains. It seems to work fine...but when you create a *new* list this error is generated: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ cut ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bug in Mailman version 2.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main process_request(doc, cgidata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in process_request sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 226, in create _update_maps() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 47, in _update_maps raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /var/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 24 2003, 19:13:11) [GCC 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-4)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 Environment variables: Variable Value CONTENT_LENGTH 145 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_COOKIE tester+admin=280200000069c6dbe93e732800000066363264646436303331616331363834326166336331336432303264633162626337376564383738; SQMSESSID=1eec37dd933e834a4bde398b99220655; testing=1; sid=f94d16a00d2f3a4fdccf5e4b958698a0 SCRIPT_FILENAME /var/mailman/cgi-bin/create PYTHONPATH /var/mailman SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux) SERVER_ADMIN webmaster at mwsc.com SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/create SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/2.0.40 Server at dch810.mwsc.com Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD POST HTTP_HOST dch810 HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 300 SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING REQUEST_URI /mailman/create HTTP_ACCEPT text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,text/css,*/*;q=0.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-1, utf-8;q=0.66, *;q=0.66 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20030225 HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive HTTP_REFERER http://dch810/mailman/create SERVER_NAME dch810.mwsc.com REMOTE_ADDR 192.168.1.122 REMOTE_PORT 55423 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us, en;q=0.50 UNIQUE_ID tGYTasCoAdgAABWFjsoAAAAL SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate, compress;q=0.9 SERVER_ADDR 192.168.1.122 DOCUMENT_ROOT /var/www/html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ cut ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please advse... -- R. Scott Coats Manager of Information Technology Machine & Welding Supply Company 910.980.6150 Office 910.980.6450 Fax 910.892.4016 Main # From NITIN.VERMA at APPL.GE.COM Fri Jun 13 17:31:26 2003 From: NITIN.VERMA at APPL.GE.COM (Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706)) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:31:26 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice Message-ID: <62E407E3139D564FBFD7273C369F32310211B9DF@banexpr01applge.appl.ge.com> I have just install Python-2.2.3 But it fails -- README.LINUX Says use python-devel. If you are right the I should have no problems .. or I have use some more option to configure my make! i just used --prefix. From NITIN.VERMA at APPL.GE.COM Fri Jun 13 17:52:04 2003 From: NITIN.VERMA at APPL.GE.COM (Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706)) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:52:04 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice Message-ID: <62E407E3139D564FBFD7273C369F32310211B9E2@banexpr01applge.appl.ge.com> ah , it's a Friday-the-thirteenth problem :-) ... I think so too! Anyway, I used --perfix to configure Python whereas I used --with-username, --with-groupname, --prefix, --with-var-prefix and --with-python for mailman -----Original Message----- From: Mitchell Marks [mailto:mitchell at cuip.net] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:09 PM To: Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706) Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice Maybe use configure option --with-python /path/to/your/python Also -- after building the python, did you rehash or open a new shell? Maybe configure wasn't finding the python for that reason. Or maybe it's a Friday-the-thirteenth problem :-) On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706) wrote: > I have just install Python-2.2.3 > > But it fails > > -- README.LINUX Says use python-devel. > > If you are right the I should have no problems .. or I have use some more > option to configure my make! > i just used --prefix. > -- Mitchell Marks CUIP Tech Coordinator http://cuip.net/cuip CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project 5640 S Ellis Ave AAC-045, Univ of Chgo, Chgo IL 60637 Telephone: Ofc 773-702-6041 Fax 702-8212 Home (v.m. only, ok any time) 241-7166 Email: Primary address: mitchell at cuip.uchicago.edu Alternate UofC addresses (use especially to report problems with cuip.uchicago.edu): mitchell at cs.uchicago.edu and mmar at midway.uchicago.edu Off-campus (ISP) address: mmarks at pobox.com Email to pager (for SHORT text msgs): 7736206744 at mobile.att.net Any two people may be talking to each other, at any moment, in a civilized way about something trivial, or even something complex and delicate. And inside each of the two there runs a kind of dark river of unconnected thought, of secret fear, or violence, or bliss -- hoped-for or lost -- which keeps pace with the flow of talk and is mostly neither seen nor heard. And then at times one or both of the two will catch sight or sound of this movement, in himself, or herself, or, more rarely, in the other. And it is like the quick slip of a waterfall into a pool, like a drop into darkness. The pace changes, the weight of the air, though the talk may run smoothly onward without a ripple or quiver. -- A. S. Byatt, "The Chinese Lobster" From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Jun 13 18:07:22 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:07:22 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & Postfix error - postalias In-Reply-To: <55487.192.168.1.122.1055518036.squirrel@dch810.mwsc.com> References: <55487.192.168.1.122.1055518036.squirrel@dch810.mwsc.com> Message-ID: <20030613160722.GN1635@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 FAQ - http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.009.htp - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ The triumph of persuasion over force is the sign of a civilized society. -- Mark Skousen -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+6fa6uv+09NZUB1oRAlWRAJ9nFkWPph+Cem/8Gkym0XdoKihWNACfUoGJ GnQVEPfhMyZgrrQ/gnfeS9k= =Tg5O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From NITIN.VERMA at APPL.GE.COM Fri Jun 13 18:13:56 2003 From: NITIN.VERMA at APPL.GE.COM (Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706)) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:13:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice Message-ID: <62E407E3139D564FBFD7273C369F32310211B9E4@banexpr01applge.appl.ge.com> I commented imports to japanese, korean and korean.aliases # In a normal interactive Python environment, the japanese.pth and korean.pth # files would be imported automatically. But because we inhibit the importing # of the site module, we need to be explicit about importing these codecs. #import japanese # As of KoreanCodecs 2.0.5, you had to do the second import to get the Korean # codecs installed, however leave the first import in there in case an upgrade # changes this. #import korean #import korean.aliases But now I get :- Compiling /opt/neo/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/versions.py Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/update", line 46, in ? from Mailman import mm_cfg File "/opt/neo/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 41, in ? from Defaults import * ImportError: No module named Defaults make: *** [update] Error 1 -----Original Message----- From: Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706) Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:22 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice ah , it's a Friday-the-thirteenth problem :-) ... I think so too! Anyway, I used --perfix to configure Python whereas I used --with-username, --with-groupname, --prefix, --with-var-prefix and --with-python for mailman -----Original Message----- From: Mitchell Marks [mailto:mitchell at cuip.net] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:09 PM To: Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706) Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice Maybe use configure option --with-python /path/to/your/python Also -- after building the python, did you rehash or open a new shell? Maybe configure wasn't finding the python for that reason. Or maybe it's a Friday-the-thirteenth problem :-) On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706) wrote: > I have just install Python-2.2.3 > > But it fails > > -- README.LINUX Says use python-devel. > > If you are right the I should have no problems .. or I have use some more > option to configure my make! > i just used --prefix. > -- Mitchell Marks CUIP Tech Coordinator http://cuip.net/cuip CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project 5640 S Ellis Ave AAC-045, Univ of Chgo, Chgo IL 60637 Telephone: Ofc 773-702-6041 Fax 702-8212 Home (v.m. only, ok any time) 241-7166 Email: Primary address: mitchell at cuip.uchicago.edu Alternate UofC addresses (use especially to report problems with cuip.uchicago.edu): mitchell at cs.uchicago.edu and mmar at midway.uchicago.edu Off-campus (ISP) address: mmarks at pobox.com Email to pager (for SHORT text msgs): 7736206744 at mobile.att.net Any two people may be talking to each other, at any moment, in a civilized way about something trivial, or even something complex and delicate. And inside each of the two there runs a kind of dark river of unconnected thought, of secret fear, or violence, or bliss -- hoped-for or lost -- which keeps pace with the flow of talk and is mostly neither seen nor heard. And then at times one or both of the two will catch sight or sound of this movement, in himself, or herself, or, more rarely, in the other. And it is like the quick slip of a waterfall into a pool, like a drop into darkness. The pace changes, the weight of the air, though the talk may run smoothly onward without a ripple or quiver. -- A. S. Byatt, "The Chinese Lobster" From marena at magnatechonline.com Fri Jun 13 18:23:14 2003 From: marena at magnatechonline.com (Michael Arena) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:23:14 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Postings via the Web Message-ID: <000b01c331c8$175b8580$0f01a8c0@magnatechonline.com> Hello, Does anyone know of a way to submit postings to mailman lists via the web instead of sending mail to list at server.com ? any help or direction would be greatly appreciated. thanks, mike From paul at thcwd.com Fri Jun 13 18:22:00 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:22:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mime Exploit found in Mailman-2.1.2 source tarball In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030613111707.02fee6b8@mail.thcwd.com> The file in question is a test file that contains the mime wrapper from Nimda. The payload has been replaced with XXXX and the code is completely inactive. I would say your virus scanner is a bit anal, as there is zero threat from the file. Rathan Levins wrote: >I downloaded the Mailman 2.1.2 tarball yesterday, and ran into an issue >with a virus scan. McAfee commandline virus scan found >Exploit-MIME.gen, a generic MIME format "virus" that exploits the >"Microsoft Incorrect MIME Header vulnerability". I downloaded the >source tarball yesterday, and the virus scanner hit on it after a >crontab job ran uvscan. Below is the output when I scanned the suspect >file. > >[root at emit_server msgs]# uvscan >/usr/local/src/mailman-2.1.2/tests/msgs/nimda.txt > >/usr/local/src/mailman-2.1.2/tests/msgs/nimda.txt > Found the Exploit-MIME.gen virus !!! <>< Paul From che at debian.org Fri Jun 13 19:44:24 2003 From: che at debian.org (Ben Gertzfield) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:44:24 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umlaut in message bodies are omitted In-Reply-To: <5B7690DAE02BD411A772009027FD68CC025976EC@mchrd23e.mch.fsc.net> References: <5B7690DAE02BD411A772009027FD68CC025976EC@mchrd23e.mch.fsc.net> Message-ID: <3EEA0D78.7060504@debian.org> Bausch, Jean wrote: >I have now found who swallows the Umlauts in message bodies: > >I had inserted a 'fmt -s -w 80' in the mail aliases. Unfortunately on Solaris 7 this command erases the Umlauts. > > Interesting. You can try changing that to LANG=de_DE fmt -s -w 80 to make sure Solaris can handle the 8 bit characters. But this assumes every email you put through will be in iso-8859-1, which is increasingly not true in today's international world. If you don't specify a LANG, or specify the wrong one, fmt doesn't know what character set the input file is in, and if it's a multibyte character set (UTF-8, UTF-16, or any Japanese/Chinese/Korean character set) it might end up splitting a character between bytes when it inserts a newline. So they do the "safe" thing and strip all 8-bit characters when LANG is not set. >Hence my next question: >Is there an option in mailman 2.1.2 to autowrap the messages after 80 characters or so? > > I don't think there's really a safe way to do this. It would certainly screw up signatures on emails. All MIME emails are required to be 76 characters or less per line; you could write a Handler (look at Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py for an example in the Mailman source code) to take any non-MIME emails and automatically make them a single text/plain attachment encoded with quoted-printable, but you'll need to be careful about character set issues for the UTF-8 and CJK users. The email.Message and email.Charset modules make this really easy; all the work is already done for you. Ben From rob at regionalhelpwanted.com Fri Jun 13 21:12:13 2003 From: rob at regionalhelpwanted.com (Rob Eckerson) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:12:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list size Message-ID: <00fb01c331df$b264bbc0$8d01a8c0@KimJ> I am just about ready to launch my newsletter. But I am anticipating that my address list will be around 500,000, will mailman be able to handle that many people? From debuser at sysmatrix.net Fri Jun 13 21:58:17 2003 From: debuser at sysmatrix.net (Gerald V. Livingston II) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:58:17 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) Subject: [Mailman-Users] list size In-Reply-To: <00fb01c331df$b264bbc0$8d01a8c0@KimJ> References: <00fb01c331df$b264bbc0$8d01a8c0@KimJ> Message-ID: <200306131502171.SM01264@phorce1-xp> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:12:13 -0400 Rob Eckerson wrote: > I am just about ready to launch my newsletter. But I am anticipating > that my address list will be around 500,000, will mailman be able to > handle that many people? http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.015.htp -- Gerald V. Livingston II Configure your Email to send TEXT ONLY -- See the following page: http://expita.com/nomime.html '74 Kombi (to be renamed - LifeSaver doesn't 'feel' right) '69 Type 1 - AirBall the Rolling Basket Case http://www.phorce1.com http://www.buskatiers.org From garth at bongerz.com Fri Jun 13 23:40:15 2003 From: garth at bongerz.com (Garth B.) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:40:15 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newly created lists are inaccessible via the web admin Message-ID: <001201c331f4$60cee960$0200000a@bongerz.com> Well, the subject line says it all. Any new list I create keeps getting a "No such list xxxxxxx" message when trying to administer via the web. Previously created lists are still accessible via the web and work great. I did search the archives and do some digging around first, so this plea for help is a last resort... Version 2.0.13 Check_perms reports no problems. Command line tools appear to work well. I can list_members, add_members, etc to the new list. I just can't get to from the web interface... Any ideas or pointers? Thank you, Garth From cooleydd at pacbell.net Sat Jun 14 05:17:48 2003 From: cooleydd at pacbell.net (Don Cooley) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:17:48 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two memberships Message-ID: To All I have a series of 15 or so lists all on the subject of prostate cancer. I frequently post studies to two or more of the lists depending on content. This means some get multiple copies of these posted studies as some members belong to two or more of the special prostate cancer interest groups. Is there anyway to set up a list that I could post studies to and every member of the other groups (4,000 or so) would automatically be a member. For example lets say that the study list was list Z. Someone joins list A and the program would automatically make them a member of list Z - the same would be true for subs and unsubs. This would make it easier for my members and keep a better record of all of the study posts. Is there any way to accomplish this. Don Cooley, (408) 268-6400, San Jose California Non commercial Prostate-Help 1,000,000 word web, join PHCa Discussion Groups, PHCa Forums, order your PHCa CD-ROM and Ask at AskPHP. All at Prostate-Help Gateway http://www.prostate-help.net From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sat Jun 14 15:17:34 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 14:17:34 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list size In-Reply-To: <200306131502171.SM01264@phorce1-xp> References: <00fb01c331df$b264bbc0$8d01a8c0@KimJ> <00fb01c331df$b264bbc0$8d01a8c0@KimJ> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030614140652.033466b0@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 20:58 13/06/2003, Gerald V. Livingston II wrote: >On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:12:13 -0400 Rob Eckerson > wrote: > > > I am just about ready to launch my newsletter. But I am anticipating > > that my address list will be around 500,000, will mailman be able to > > handle that many people? > >http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.015.htp I would also split the total membership into some shorter sublists, say by splitting it into alphabetical sublists, and have each of those sublists subscribed to an umbrella list, which is what you post to. The way Mailman saves and handles list memberships is likely to choke fairly badly on 500,000 addresses in one lump but cope a lot better with a series of < 50,000 member sublists. The other comments in the FAQ are still applicable. >-- >Gerald V. Livingston II > >Configure your Email to send TEXT ONLY -- See the following page: >http://expita.com/nomime.html > >'74 Kombi (to be renamed - LifeSaver doesn't 'feel' right) >'69 Type 1 - AirBall the Rolling Basket Case >http://www.phorce1.com >http://www.buskatiers.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From godoy at ieee.org Sat Jun 14 15:25:57 2003 From: godoy at ieee.org (Jorge Godoy) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 10:25:57 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list size In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030614140652.033466b0@mail.openinfo.co.uk> (Richard Barrett's message of "Sat, 14 Jun 2003 14:17:34 +0100") References: <00fb01c331df$b264bbc0$8d01a8c0@KimJ> <00fb01c331df$b264bbc0$8d01a8c0@KimJ> <5.1.1.6.0.20030614140652.033466b0@mail.openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: Richard Barrett writes: > I would also split the total membership into some shorter sublists, > say by splitting it into alphabetical sublists, and have each of those > sublists subscribed to an umbrella list, which is what you post to. > > The way Mailman saves and handles list memberships is likely to choke > fairly badly on 500,000 addresses in one lump but cope a lot better > with a series of < 50,000 member sublists. > > The other comments in the FAQ are still applicable. I'm seeing that mailman's problems are with memory requirements. We have a machine with 392 MiB of RAM and it crawls to handle a 25K subscribers list... This is on a RH 8, with the latest stable release of mailman. -- Godoy. From luciano at gamatec.com.br Sat Jun 14 15:34:46 2003 From: luciano at gamatec.com.br (=?iso-8859-1?Q?M=E1rcio_=5B_FreeBSD_=5D?=) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 10:34:46 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + qmail + vpopmail Message-ID: <007401c33279$b8ca6790$019da8c0@diabo> Ol?, Sou Brasileiro e n?o tenho muito conhecimento em ingl?s, mas o que acontece ? o seguinte: utilizava a vers?o 2.0.13 do mailman + qmail + vpopmail no FreeBSD e fiz um upgrade para a 2.1.1 e estou com problemas para receber os e-mail d? um erro de _group_"mailnull",_but/the_system's_mail_server_executed_the_mail_script_as/group_"vchkpw".__Try_tweaking_the_mail_server_to_run_the/script_as_group_"mailnull",_or_re-run_configure,_/providing_the_command_line_option_`--with-mail-gid=vchkpw'. e n?o estou conseguindo resolver, algu?m pode me ajudar, Obrigado, M?rcio Brasil - Chapec?(SC) From NITIN.VERMA at APPL.GE.COM Sat Jun 14 17:23:28 2003 From: NITIN.VERMA at APPL.GE.COM (Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706)) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 11:23:28 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice Message-ID: <62E407E3139D564FBFD7273C369F32310211BA05@banexpr01applge.appl.ge.com> Problem was I building mailman not in the source dir! Now I have mailman setup on my Box... :-) 1. What should I do next? 2. Should I start mailmanctl? 3. How should I make lists? 4. What's gonna be my mailing adress to mailman like we have "mailman-users at python.org" Regards, Nitin Verma -----Original Message----- From: Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706) Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:44 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice I commented imports to japanese, korean and korean.aliases # In a normal interactive Python environment, the japanese.pth and korean.pth # files would be imported automatically. But because we inhibit the importing # of the site module, we need to be explicit about importing these codecs. #import japanese # As of KoreanCodecs 2.0.5, you had to do the second import to get the Korean # codecs installed, however leave the first import in there in case an upgrade # changes this. #import korean #import korean.aliases But now I get :- Compiling /opt/neo/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/versions.py Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/update", line 46, in ? from Mailman import mm_cfg File "/opt/neo/local/mailman-2.1.2/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 41, in ? from Defaults import * ImportError: No module named Defaults make: *** [update] Error 1 -----Original Message----- From: Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706) Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:22 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice ah , it's a Friday-the-thirteenth problem :-) ... I think so too! Anyway, I used --perfix to configure Python whereas I used --with-username, --with-groupname, --prefix, --with-var-prefix and --with-python for mailman -----Original Message----- From: Mitchell Marks [mailto:mitchell at cuip.net] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:09 PM To: Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706) Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Novice Maybe use configure option --with-python /path/to/your/python Also -- after building the python, did you rehash or open a new shell? Maybe configure wasn't finding the python for that reason. Or maybe it's a Friday-the-thirteenth problem :-) On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Verma, Nitin (GECP, OTHER, 529706) wrote: > I have just install Python-2.2.3 > > But it fails > > -- README.LINUX Says use python-devel. > > If you are right the I should have no problems .. or I have use some more > option to configure my make! > i just used --prefix. > -- Mitchell Marks CUIP Tech Coordinator http://cuip.net/cuip CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project 5640 S Ellis Ave AAC-045, Univ of Chgo, Chgo IL 60637 Telephone: Ofc 773-702-6041 Fax 702-8212 Home (v.m. only, ok any time) 241-7166 Email: Primary address: mitchell at cuip.uchicago.edu Alternate UofC addresses (use especially to report problems with cuip.uchicago.edu): mitchell at cs.uchicago.edu and mmar at midway.uchicago.edu Off-campus (ISP) address: mmarks at pobox.com Email to pager (for SHORT text msgs): 7736206744 at mobile.att.net Any two people may be talking to each other, at any moment, in a civilized way about something trivial, or even something complex and delicate. And inside each of the two there runs a kind of dark river of unconnected thought, of secret fear, or violence, or bliss -- hoped-for or lost -- which keeps pace with the flow of talk and is mostly neither seen nor heard. And then at times one or both of the two will catch sight or sound of this movement, in himself, or herself, or, more rarely, in the other. And it is like the quick slip of a waterfall into a pool, like a drop into darkness. The pace changes, the weight of the air, though the talk may run smoothly onward without a ripple or quiver. -- A. S. Byatt, "The Chinese Lobster" From paul at thcwd.com Sat Jun 14 19:18:12 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 12:18:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman Postings via the Web In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030614121511.00bc2f50@mail.thcwd.com> Michael Arena wrote: >Does anyone know of a way to submit postings to mailman lists via the web >instead of sending mail to list at server.com ? any help or direction would be >greatly appreciated. I've been working on this. You will find some notes at . If you take a sot at it I'd like to hear what you do. <>< Paul "-rw-rw-rw-" ... file permissions of the beast. From dirk at dirk-wirts.de Sat Jun 14 20:55:08 2003 From: dirk at dirk-wirts.de (Dirk Wirts) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 20:55:08 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix/Mailman - Help needed (newby) Message-ID: <200306142055.08433.dirk@dirk-wirts.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi there, after installing Mailman I tried to get it running, having only some success. I tried a lot of things, but now I think I've got stuck. Maybe I should first explain, what I want to to and how I tried it: I want to run a mailing list for our diving club, which has its own webpage and email accounts, but no mailinglist capability. At home I'm running my Linuxserver with an dyndns.org name, on which I planned to run Mailman. Clubserver is tuemmler.de, my adress is wirts.homeip.net (internal name is brainware.local). Techspecs: I'm running Suse 8.2 with postfix as mailserver. No Problems getting and sending mails with several emailaccounts, just works fine. I have configured a mailinglist called tuemmler in Mailman, which is viewable on my webserver under wirts.homeip.net. I can subscribe to the list, get the confirmation mail, after confirming I can reconfirm as admin and get the concluding email that I'm allowed to post. Now I've created an emailaccount on our cluserver which is named tuemmler at tuemmler.de, to which I would like the clubmembers to send their emails. After fetching them from the server, i receive an error, that the local name tuemmler at brainware.local does not exist (I thought this would be handled by Mailman, intercepting those mails, but obviously it doesn't), so I created a local userr called tuemmler. Now those mails end up in the local mailbox instead of being delivered through the mailinglist. So, after the long story here are my questions: Could I setup my mailinglist, being fed throug an external mailaccount, or should I think again and try a competely new aproach? If it is possible, what did I do wrong? Maybe something forgotten? I don't know exactly what information you might need to help me, so I first include my mailman configuration MAILMAN_MAIL_GID="65533" MAILMAN_CGI_GID="65534" MAILMAN_MTA="Postfix" MAILMAN_LINK_ALIASES="yes" MAILMAN_SMTPHOST="brain.brainware.local" MAILMAN_DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST="" MAILMAN_DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST="wirts.homip.net" MAILMAN_DEFAULT_URL_HOST="wirt.homeip.net" DELIVERY_MODULE="SMTPDirect" # this one I included after having read tons of mails in this list, but it seems to have no effect. Another thing I found reading the lists is the output from postconf -n brain:/etc/sysconfig # postconf -n alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases canonical_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/canonical command_directory = /usr/sbin config_directory = /etc/postfix content_filter = vscan: daemon_directory = /usr/lib/postfix debug_peer_level = 2 defer_transports = disable_dns_lookups = no mailbox_size_limit = 512000000 mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq manpage_directory = /usr/share/man masquerade_classes = envelope_sender, header_sender, header_recipient masquerade_exceptions = root dirk message_size_limit = 102400000 mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, $mydomain mydomain = brainware.local mynetworks_style = subnet myorigin = $mydomain newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases notify_classes = 2bounce,delay program_directory = /usr/lib/postfix readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/packages/postfix/README_FILES relayhost = mail.isis.de relocated_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/relocated sample_directory = /usr/share/doc/packages/postfix/samples sender_canonical_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sender_canonical sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail setgid_group = maildrop smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sasl_passwd smtp_sasl_security_options = smtpd_client_restrictions = smtpd_helo_required = no smtpd_helo_restrictions = smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks,reject_unauth_destination smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = no smtpd_sender_restrictions = hash:/etc/postfix/access smtpd_use_tls = no strict_rfc821_envelopes = no transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 450 If there are other information missing I will glagly post them. Thanks in advance for your time, and sorry for the long mail :-) - -- Bis demnaex, Dirk PGP Fingerprint : D53C 8128 2008 3C1F D0AB 3ADF 57C0 37C3 46BA 3CF3 *- Origin: Nine Princes In Amber - :-) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+62+MV8A3w0a6PPMRAoqeAJ0ZHQMj4NszofIrhw7EUH/IaYP9SQCfajU1 4DOE9rO97uha1Zunpk6a/IM= =NB2L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ptatters at zerobyzero.ca Sat Jun 14 23:29:27 2003 From: ptatters at zerobyzero.ca (Peter Tattersall) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 17:29:27 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HI I have just set up a mailing list with dominet.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <46FE2A40-9EAF-11D7-9D5B-0003931C4CFA@zerobyzero.ca> So, you are running mailman on a Mac, or you have access to a Mailman list on a server at dominet.net? If the latter, your personal platform is unimportant since administration is done over the web, and dominet.net should have some documentation to tell you how to use the software in their specific environment. However, there is generic documentation here: http://www.list.org/docs.html If, on the other hand, you are trying to set up Mailman on a Mac, you need to be comfortable with running installs from the Terminal application under Mac OS X. Mailman runs quite happily under Mac OX 10.1 on up. I am currently running Mailman 2.0.13 with qmail as the mail server under Mac OS X 10.2.6. On Thursday, June 12, 2003, at 08:34 PM, Dan Turcotte wrote: > I have no idea how to use the mailman program. I am on a Mac computer. > Please help me. > Dan Turcotte > Youdomagic.com From deirdre at deirdre.net Sun Jun 15 02:29:17 2003 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse Moen) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 17:29:17 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade hell (Debian) Message-ID: <65FA70AA-9EC8-11D7-91D9-000393B986EE@deirdre.net> Upgrade script broke (not the first time). from Mailman import MailList from Mailman.LockFile import TimeOutError from Mailman.i18n import _ I'm getting error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/update", line 51, in ? from Mailman.i18n import _ ImportError: No module named i18n It doesn't balk on the line before, so it doesn't seem to be a path issue. When I comment that line out (for grins), it balks on: from Mailman.Queue.Switchboard import Switchboard from Mailman import OldStyleMemberships from Mailman.MemberAdaptor import BYBOUNCE, ENABLED Any clues? -- _Deirdre http://deirdre.net "Cannot run out of time. There is infinite time. You are finite. Zathras is finite. This....is wrong tool." -- Zathras From paul at thcwd.com Sun Jun 15 03:09:12 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 20:09:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password in Approved line is sent to list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030614200448.033e4228@mail.thcwd.com> I am trying to set up an announcement list so that posts faked from my address will be rejected. As per suggestions in the FAQ I have put the list password in the first line of the post as: Approved: password This does get the post from a moderated address to the list, but the above line shows up, with the password for all to see. Not exactly what I want. Any way to get it to strip the first line? <>< Paul Linux, because rebooting is for adding hardware. From jonas at freesources.org Mon Jun 16 00:09:45 2003 From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:09:45 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] external archiver Message-ID: <20030615220945.GD4562@freesources.org> hello, i have in my mm_cfg.py: PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = lurker-index -l `lurker-list -c /etc/lurker/lurker.conf | grep -B2 "^%(listname)s$"|head -n1` -m is some thing wrong with this syntax? mailman doesn't restart: Restarting mailman queue runner: mailmanTraceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 105, in ? from Mailman import mm_cfg File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 73 PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = lurker-index -l `lurker-list -c /etc/lurker/lurker.conf | grep -B2 "^%(listname)s$"|head -n1` -m ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax bye mejo -- Efficiency and progess is ours one more Now that we have the Neutron bomb It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight From kremels at kreme.com Mon Jun 16 04:21:08 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:21:08 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] dumpdb (now what?) Message-ID: <3073AB1F-9FA1-11D7-AD5C-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> I've searched the archive an all Iv'e found is other people asking this question with no answers. I have a dumpdb of a list. I want to setup a new list with all those options. I also want to get all the users from the original list into the new list on the new server without those users having to do ANYTHING. (The list address is not changing, just the machine) How? I want to be able to import all the users without have to have them reset their passwords, for example. I thought i had everything setup, I even thought I'd gotten synclist to import my list of users, but I keep getting: Command died with status 1: "/usr/home/mailman/mail/mailman post " in maillog and no other info. -- "There's a light that shines on everything & everyone. And it shines so bright - brighter even than the sun". hat's what Minnie thinks as she walks to meet her brother, who is nearly two years older, on a Saturday night. He's DJ-ing at some do on the edge of town on the night that Minnie Timperley died. From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon Jun 16 08:40:30 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:40:30 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] external archiver In-Reply-To: <20030615220945.GD4562@freesources.org> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030616071858.00ae3e98@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 23:09 15/06/2003, Jonas Meurer wrote: >hello, i have in my mm_cfg.py: >PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = lurker-index -l `lurker-list -c >/etc/lurker/lurker.conf | grep -B2 "^%(listname)s$"|head -n1` -m > >is some thing wrong with this syntax? mailman doesn't restart: The problem is that in mm_cfg.py you are assigning a value to a Python string variable. You need to either wrap the whole thing in single or double quotes and escape any occurrences of the quote type you choose in the body of the string. In your cae single quotes look to be the best choice, for instance: PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'lurker-index -l `lurker-list -c /etc/lurker/lurker.conf | grep -B2 "^%(listname)s$"|head -n1` -m' Whether the resulting command makes any sense is up to you. >Restarting mailman queue runner: mailmanTraceback (most recent call >last): > File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 105, in ? > from Mailman import mm_cfg > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 73 > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = lurker-index -l `lurker-list -c >/etc/lurker/lurker.conf | grep -B2 "^%(listname)s$"|head -n1` -m > ^ >SyntaxError: invalid syntax > >bye > mejo > >-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From jonas at freesources.org Mon Jun 16 09:15:12 2003 From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:15:12 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] external archiver In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030616071858.00ae3e98@mail.openinfo.co.uk> References: <20030615220945.GD4562@freesources.org> <5.1.1.6.0.20030616071858.00ae3e98@mail.openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030616071512.GC1041@freesources.org> On 16/06/2003 Richard Barrett wrote: > >hello, i have in my mm_cfg.py: > >PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = lurker-index -l `lurker-list -c > >/etc/lurker/lurker.conf | grep -B2 "^%(listname)s$"|head -n1` -m > > > >is some thing wrong with this syntax? mailman doesn't restart: > > The problem is that in mm_cfg.py you are assigning a value to a Python > string variable. > > In your cae single quotes look to be the best choice, for instance: > > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'lurker-index -l `lurker-list -c > /etc/lurker/lurker.conf | grep -B2 "^%(listname)s$"|head -n1` -m' > > Whether the resulting command makes any sense is up to you. ok, this command lets mailman start. but when i post: ==> /var/log/mailman/error <== Jun 16 09:07:24 2003 (2098) external archiver non-zero exit status: 1 mh, so lets splie the command: lurker-list -c /etc/lurker/lurker.conf | grep -B2 "^%(listname)s$"|head -n1 should give back a string that is the lurkers listname. since lurkers listnamelength is limited to 16 (32) chars, but for mailman much more are possible, i wrote a simple algorithm, that creates an ancronym shortened to 16 chars of ever list, and names it that way in lurker.conf. so i have to use this listname for the actual list here. lurker-list is a simple configure outgiving software, and grep -B2 "^%(listname)s$"| head -n should for example for list 'imc-sysadmin' give imc-sysadmn. could somebody show me some example python code where i can test that? not shure if the %(listname)s usage in the grep regex was right. so, any suggestions? maybe i can first create a var with the lurker index name? in shell that would look this way: lurkerlist=lurker-list -c /etc/lurker/lurker.conf | grep -B2 "^${listname}$"|head -n1 lurker-index -l $lurkerlist -m do you have any suggestions how to do that in mailman config? bye mejo -- Efficiency and progess is ours one more Now that we have the Neutron bomb It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030616/a36cb723/attachment.pgp From rupak_mailman at yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 10:20:00 2003 From: rupak_mailman at yahoo.com (Rupak Mohan) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems to startup Mailman Message-ID: <20030616082000.48468.qmail@web20710.mail.yahoo.com> Dear All, I have installed Mailman 2.1.2 successfully. The problem is : I created a newlist,it says # /bin newlist mylist Enter the email of the person running the list:mylist at rupak.com Initial mylist password: ----------------------------------- mylist: "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post mylist" mylist-admin: "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner mylist" mylist-request: "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd mylist" mylist-owner: mylist-admin ------- etc.. To finish creating your mailing list,you must edit your /etc/aliases (or equivalent) file by adding the fllowing lines, and possibly running the newaliases program Hit enter to notify mylist owner.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- and comes out.. (1) Now the problem is there is no /aliases directory under /etc. so how and where should i store the above aliases.?? (2) My default MTA is SendMail (on RedHat linux 7.2). where and what all configuration i need to do access my new lists on Mailman.?? (3) when i try to access www.rupak.com/mailman/create my browser returns "Unknown Host" solution for this as well.. Kindly reply back with appropriate suggestions...Thanx in advance. Cheers Rupak --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be Mon Jun 16 10:31:23 2003 From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:31:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] security on an announce-only list Message-ID: <20030616083123.GA20933@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> Hello, I created an announce-only list. To do this in 'Privacy section' I set the moderation on, the poster receives a rejection notice which explains that this is an announce-only list. In 'membership management' I disabled moderation for people who should be able to send msgs to the list. There is however a potential problem with this approach. Suppose that the pc of one of these authorized posters gets infected with a virus. The virus could propagate on the list. Or somebody could pretend to be an authorized posters by spoofing the from address and the msg would be distributed on the list. I would like to activate an alternate moderation action for the members who are allowed to post to the list. However I don't immediately see a way to implement this. Any ideas? How are you handling this? Thanks in advance, Best regards, -Jeroen- -- Jeroen Valcke sst at belnet.be jeroen.valcke at belnet.be From rupak_mailman at yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 10:53:42 2003 From: rupak_mailman at yahoo.com (Rupak Mohan) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems to startup Mailman after installation Message-ID: <20030616085342.53241.qmail@web20706.mail.yahoo.com> Dear All, I have installed Mailman 2.1.2 successfully. The problem is : I created a newlist,it says # /bin newlist mylist Enter the email of the person running the list:mylist at rupak.com Initial mylist password: ----------------------------------- mylist: "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post mylist" mylist-admin: "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner mylist" mylist-request: "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd mylist" mylist-owner: mylist-admin ------- etc.. To finish creating your mailing list,you must edit your /etc/aliases (or equivalent) file by adding the fllowing lines, and possibly running the newaliases program Hit enter to notify mylist owner.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- and comes out.. (1) Now the problem is there is no /aliases directory under /etc. and there is no aliases folder at all on my system , but i could find aliases.h in /usr/include/aliases.h.(but i am sure this is not the right place for aliases).. so where & how should i store the above aliases.?? (2) My default MTA is SendMail (on RedHat linux 7.2). so what should options should i configure on SendMail to keep my lists working (3) when i try to access www.rupak.com/mailman/create my browser returns "Unknown Host" solution for this as well.. Plz suggest me , how to proceed further. Thanx in advance.. Cheers Rupak --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! From rupak_mailman at yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 11:47:43 2003 From: rupak_mailman at yahoo.com (Rupak Mohan) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 02:47:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to check if SendMail is running Message-ID: <20030616094743.64387.qmail@web20705.mail.yahoo.com> Dear All, Could Plz suggest a way to check if SendMail is running ( and also to know if it is installed successfully).. and also could anyone suggest me a good MTA (mail server) on redhat..so that i will install it.. Thanx in advance.. regards Rupak --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be Mon Jun 16 11:57:29 2003 From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:57:29 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] security on an announce-only list In-Reply-To: <20030616083123.GA20933@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> References: <20030616083123.GA20933@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> Message-ID: <20030616095729.GB21100@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> To answer my own question. There's an entry in the FAQ on this. http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.11 Best thing to do is use the approve header or an approve line in the msg. However I would like to know if a seperate moderation would be possible. Or alternatively restrict the address that can post to the list (even with the approve passwd) There are some methods in this faq entry but none seem to combine approved passwd and address check. -Jeroen- On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 10:31:23AM +0200, Jeroen Valcke wrote: > I created an announce-only list. To do this in 'Privacy section' I set > the moderation on, the poster receives a rejection notice which explains > that this is an announce-only list. > > In 'membership management' I disabled moderation for people who should > be able to send msgs to the list. > > There is however a potential problem with this approach. Suppose that > the pc of one of these authorized posters gets infected with a virus. > The virus could propagate on the list. > > Or somebody could pretend to be an authorized posters by spoofing the > from address and the msg would be distributed on the list. > > I would like to activate an alternate moderation action for the members > who are allowed to post to the list. > > However I don't immediately see a way to implement this. Any ideas? How > are you handling this? -- Jeroen Valcke sst at belnet.be jeroen.valcke at belnet.be From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be Mon Jun 16 14:20:48 2003 From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:20:48 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] security on an announce-only list In-Reply-To: <20030616095729.GB21100@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> References: <20030616083123.GA20933@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> <20030616095729.GB21100@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> Message-ID: <20030616122047.GA21681@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 11:57:29AM +0200, Jeroen Valcke wrote: > Best thing to do is use the approve header or an approve line in the > msg. IMHO, the problem with the approve passwd is that anybody who knows (or guesses) the approve passwd can post to the list. So even non-members can post when they add the approve passwd. Hasn't anybody had bad experiences with that? -Jeroen- -- Jeroen Valcke sst at belnet.be jeroen.valcke at belnet.be From R.A.Gardener at shu.ac.uk Mon Jun 16 14:32:57 2003 From: R.A.Gardener at shu.ac.uk (Gardener, Ray A) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:32:57 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to version 2.1 - latency on processing incoming messages Message-ID: Hi Last week I upgraded to 2.1 - after a few problem things seems to be almost working fine. However I notice that mails sent in regularly take over 20 minutes to be delivered. The logs directory files for mailman don't show any problems and the system is lightly loaded. Are there any parameter that I can, or need to, set to tell mailman to process messages within a certain interval - I am aware that I can force the processing by running qrunner explicitly in spite of the fact that mailmanctl is controlling the qrunners. Is there a good reason for not doing this from cron (as in what we had to do for version 2.0 and preceding versions)? Regards Ray Gardener CIS Sheffield Hallam University Sheffield S1 1WB 0114 225 4926 R.A.Gardener at shu.ac.uk From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon Jun 16 16:09:04 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:09:04 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to version 2.1 - latency on processing incoming messages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030616145020.03b99518@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 13:32 16/06/2003, Gardener, Ray A wrote: >Hi > >Last week I upgraded to 2.1 - after a few problem things seems to be >almost working fine. >However I notice that mails sent in regularly take over 20 minutes to be >delivered. The logs directory files for mailman don't show any >problems and the system is lightly loaded. But where is the time delay occurring: between receipt by the local MTA and Mailman sending it out, between Mailman handing it off to the outbound MTA and that passing the mail on. What do the headers on "delayed" mail show; also the MTA and Mailman's post/smtp logs. >Are there any parameter that I can, or need to, set to tell mailman to >process messages within a certain interval - I am aware that I can >force the processing by running qrunner explicitly in spite of the fact >that mailmanctl is controlling the qrunners. Is there a good reason >for not doing this from cron (as in what we had to do for version 2.0 and >preceding versions)? If anything the latency should be better with 2.1.x than with 2.0.x Are these posts to lists with many subscribers or do they have some characteristic (large posts, many attachments) that might affect their handling? >Regards > >Ray Gardener >CIS >Sheffield Hallam University >Sheffield >S1 1WB >0114 225 4926 >R.A.Gardener at shu.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From jay at neteffect.ca Mon Jun 16 16:39:06 2003 From: jay at neteffect.ca (Jay Palter) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:39:06 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] custom welcome message Message-ID: I am writing to clarify if there is any current upgrade to deal with the problem of custom welcome messages. We would like to have a custom message, but we have these dliemmas. We want to turn off the default welcome message and replace it with a custom one, but we cannot do this. We can prepend, but only to the default message. If we turn off the default message, we cannot prepend. We would like a web interface so we could customize the stock default welcome message. Please advise... - jay Jay Palter jay at neteffect.ca | 416-350-8376, ext. 223 jay at givex.com | 416-350-9660, ext. 223 Deliveries | 366 Adelaide St. West, Unit 400, Toronto, Ontario M5V 1R9 Fax | 416-352-5403 From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Mon Jun 16 17:01:35 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:01:35 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] custom welcome message In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030616150135.GE1635@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jay Palter wrote: > We would like a web interface so we could customize the stock default > welcome message. I'm not sure what implications, security or otherwise, this would cause, but you can tweak ~mailman/Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py and add the subscribeack.txt template to the list of files that Mailman will let you edit via the "Edit the public HTML pages" admin page. Just look for where template_data is defined and add the templates you want to show up and you can then edit them. I did this on a small site and as far as I could tell it worked well. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ The Constitution continues to remain no threat to our current form of government. -- Joseph Sobran -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+7dvPuv+09NZUB1oRAr/IAJ4/KYeba8veeI/4h2e4EZkhDAlfgwCfRDnc lmR8/Nygk5AuVsiEoiQsjuI= =RHcM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From paul at thcwd.com Mon Jun 16 17:25:33 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:25:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: security on an announce-only list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030616102117.00bd2f48@mail.thcwd.com> Jeroen Valcke wrote: >IMHO, the problem with the approve passwd is that anybody who knows (or >guesses) the approve passwd can post to the list. I'm still trying to figure out how to put the password in the first line and not have it show up in the post. What I am using is "Approved: password" . Should it be something else? When I do it as a header it strips it, but that option is not workable for some who need to be able to get posts through. <>< Paul From R.A.Gardener at shu.ac.uk Mon Jun 16 17:25:00 2003 From: R.A.Gardener at shu.ac.uk (Ray Gardener) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:25:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to version 2.1 - latency on processing incoming messages References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030616145020.03b99518@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <021e01c3341b$73a09150$5a14348f@videoproducer> Richard, the logs indicate that posts are being accepted into the mailman in queue within a minute from being sent by the MUA. From the mailman post logs I can see the messages being sent by out mailman, after which they arriving in the mailing list members mailbox within a minute. So the majority of the wait seems to be in the mailman system rather than in the surrounding mail systems. (Running "qrunner -r Incoming" invariably causes the mail to much more quickly.) However I do notice that there is a gap between the time the message arrives in the in queue and it getting logged in the post log that accounts for much of the delay I can see currently, files in the qfiles/in directory that have been there for 15 minutes without anything logged for them in either the post or smtp logs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Barrett" To: "Gardener, Ray A" Cc: Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to version 2.1 - latency on processing incoming messages > At 13:32 16/06/2003, Gardener, Ray A wrote: > >Hi > > > >Last week I upgraded to 2.1 - after a few problem things seems to be > >almost working fine. > >However I notice that mails sent in regularly take over 20 minutes to be > >delivered. The logs directory files for mailman don't show any > >problems and the system is lightly loaded. > > But where is the time delay occurring: between receipt by the local MTA and > Mailman sending it out, between Mailman handing it off to the outbound MTA > and that passing the mail on. What do the headers on "delayed" mail show; > also the MTA and Mailman's post/smtp logs. > > If anything the latency should be better with 2.1.x than with 2.0.x > > Are these posts to lists with many subscribers or do they have some > characteristic (large posts, many attachments) that might affect their > handling? No this has been reproduced in my test list with two subscribers and small (< 3k) messages. Regards, Ray Ray From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon Jun 16 18:31:16 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:31:16 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to version 2.1 - latency on processing incoming messages In-Reply-To: <021e01c3341b$73a09150$5a14348f@videoproducer> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030616145020.03b99518@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030616170024.05c7a848@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 16:25 16/06/2003, Ray Gardener wrote: >Richard, > >the logs indicate that posts are being accepted into the mailman in queue >within a minute from being sent by the MUA. From the mailman post logs I >can see the messages being sent by out mailman, after which they arriving in >the mailing list members mailbox within a minute. So the majority of the >wait seems to be in the mailman system rather than in the surrounding mail >systems. (Running "qrunner -r Incoming" invariably causes the mail to much >more quickly.) However I do notice that there is a gap between the time the >message arrives in the in queue and it getting logged in the post log that >accounts for much of the delay > I can see currently, files in the qfiles/in directory that have been there >for 15 minutes without anything logged for them in either the post or smtp >logs. > The post and smtp log entries for a given message are written after the message goes out and give no direct read on the time the local MTA handed over the message to MM and it was inserted into the incoming queue; the MTA's mail log (/var/log/mail ??, depends on your system) is good for that. I do not think there is a generic problem for the latest stable 2.1 (MM 2.1.2). I'm currently looking at a lightly loaded (but quite slow hardware) MM server running MM 2.1.2 and it is taking just a few tens of seconds to pass messages right through the system. The MM code that delivers to the outgoing MTA (assuming you are using SMTPDirect) does not write to the MM post or smtp logs until delivery to the outbound MTA is complete so there is the real possibility that the delay in processing is not due to MM per se but brought about by delays it is seeing in handing off outgoing mail to the SMTP server. Is your MM handing outgoing mail to the local MTA or are using SMTP to separate outbound mail relay machine? If so, that machine's load may also be affecting things. As an aside, I originally configured the system I am currently looking at to use SMTP to the main outgoing mail relay machine for the site. I subsequently changed it to send out via the local MTA as MM can be a touch aggressive trying to hand off to a sluggish MTA and the main relay machine is running a whole slew of virus and spam checking which slowed it at times of high traffic. Going via the local MTA got the mail off MM's hands quickly and it (Sendmail) was better better behaved in dealing with the communication with the main mail relay machine in times of stress. But that may not reflect your usage. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Barrett" >To: "Gardener, Ray A" >Cc: >Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:09 PM >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to version 2.1 - latency on processing >incoming messages > > > > At 13:32 16/06/2003, Gardener, Ray A wrote: > > >Hi > > > > > >Last week I upgraded to 2.1 - after a few problem things seems to be > > >almost working fine. > > >However I notice that mails sent in regularly take over 20 minutes to be > > >delivered. The logs directory files for mailman don't show any > > >problems and the system is lightly loaded. > > > > But where is the time delay occurring: between receipt by the local MTA >and > > Mailman sending it out, between Mailman handing it off to the outbound MTA > > and that passing the mail on. What do the headers on "delayed" mail show; > > also the MTA and Mailman's post/smtp logs. > > > > > If anything the latency should be better with 2.1.x than with 2.0.x > > > > Are these posts to lists with many subscribers or do they have some > > characteristic (large posts, many attachments) that might affect their > > handling? > > >No this has been reproduced in my test list with two subscribers and small >(< 3k) messages. > >Regards, > >Ray > >Ray ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From Troy at glyss.com Mon Jun 16 18:37:13 2003 From: Troy at glyss.com (Troy Davis) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:37:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie issues Message-ID: Hello, I've just installed mailman (2.1-8 rpm) on a Red Hat 9 system I'm using at work. Back a few months ago when this machine was running Red Hat 8, I tried to set up this system with mailman, and it appeared to be working. I had a learning curve to deal with, but it was functional. But now that I've upgraded the system, mailman won't start up. Here's what I get: --- [root at web mailman]# rpm -qa | grep mailman mailman-2.1-8 [root at web mailman]# rpm -qa | grep python rpm404-python-4.0.4-8x.27 python-2.2.2-26 python-optik-1.4-2 rpm-python-4.2-0.69 gnome-python2-canvas-1.99.14-5 gnome-python2-1.99.14-5 gnome-python2-gtkhtml2-1.99.14-5 gnome-python2-bonobo-1.99.14-5 libxml2-python-2.5.4-1 mod_python-3.0.1-3 python-devel-2.2.2-26 [root at web mailman]# /etc/init.d/mailman start Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 524, in ? main() File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 319, in main check_privs() File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 274, in check_privs gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found --- My first thought was that the user and group wasn't created, but they're in there. I also thought that maybe my install of python had issues, so I ran testall.py and saw no problems there. I'm not sure what kind of permissions layout the directories are supposed to have, but I've already tried to --force the rpm so that it writes over the existing files. But my old list files were still in the lists directory, so maybe that's an issue? I've deleted those files (never finished that attempt anyway), but I still get the same error above. Any tips on how to troubleshoot this further? Thank You, Troy From valen at tuatha.org Mon Jun 16 19:18:38 2003 From: valen at tuatha.org (John P. Looney) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:18:38 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman api documented ? Message-ID: <1055783748.4988.4565.camel@cosimo.hosting365.ie> I think my last question was quite poorly phrased. How can I poke settings directly into mailman's database ? For instance; subscribing a user to a list giving a user a password changing a user's subscription settings config_list works really well. Something similar for users would rock. John -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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'grep -B2 "^${listname}$"' greps for a line that has [linestart]${listname}[linend]. [linestart] is ^ and [linend] $. grep fetches this and the two lines under it and outputs that. 'head -n1' gives the last line of the output. 'lurker-import -l $listlurker -m' really is the prompt that needs the message through stdin. do you have and idea how to patch mailman doing the above? bye mejo -- Efficiency and progess is ours one more Now that we have the Neutron bomb It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[...] > [root at web mailman]# /etc/init.d/mailman start > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 524, in ? > main() > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 319, in main > check_privs() > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 274, in check_privs > gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] > KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found I'm pretty sure that there is an updated mailman rpm for redhat 9. Hmm, looking quickly it's fixed in rawhide but hasn't been released as an errata yet. See http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=89695 for details. You might either want to roll your own rpm or get the 2.1.2 tarball and install that way. Then you can be more sure that any problem you have are not coming from sloppy packaging. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ I am grateful that I am not as judgmental as all those censorious, self-righteous people around me. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+7gGeuv+09NZUB1oRAnSZAJ4ouTVPbJpgqkuKpopekDZXoF2ZCACghJz+ lEiO8VTAO187kclw5PgIDhs= =U4My -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From legg at frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu Mon Jun 16 21:10:09 2003 From: legg at frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu (Tim Legg) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:10:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] FreeBSD 5.1, Python 2.1.3, Mailman 2.1.2 Install Message-ID: <20030616135137.Q3171@frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu> Hello, I have installed mailman before on a different machine. I installed: FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE #0 Apache 1.3.27 (source) Python 2.1.3 (from ports) Postfix 2.0.9,1 (from ports) I run, #./configure --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python2.1 (I know this is far from complete as far as parameters go) and I am told, checking for user name "mailman"... configure: error: ***** No "mailman" user found! ***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined ***** (usually in your /etc/passwd file). Please see the INSTALL ***** file for details. But I didn create a user mailman. from /etc/passwd mailman:*:501:502:Mailman MLM:/nonexistent:/sbin/nologin and FreeBSD likes to have a redundant file called /etc/master.passwd which I added the same: mailman:*:501:502:Mailman MLM:/nonexistent:/sbin/nologin Apparently there is a problem with this. For completeness, I also added the group mailman to /etc/group as below mailman:*:502: These UIDs and GIDs are unique to mailman. Any suggestions? Thanks, Tim Legg From khera at kcilink.com Mon Jun 16 21:22:32 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:22:32 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] FreeBSD 5.1, Python 2.1.3, Mailman 2.1.2 Install In-Reply-To: <20030616135137.Q3171@frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu> References: <20030616135137.Q3171@frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu> Message-ID: <16110.6392.694086.48198@yertle.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "TL" == Tim Legg writes: TL> and FreeBSD likes to have a redundant file called /etc/master.passwd which TL> I added the same: TL> mailman:*:501:502:Mailman MLM:/nonexistent:/sbin/nologin TL> Apparently there is a problem with this. If you editied the /etc/master.passwd file, you did it the wrong way. These two flat files are just text representations of the real password database. The one, true, way to edit the password database is to use the vipw command. You can also add users using the pw program. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera at kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-240-453-8497 AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be Mon Jun 16 21:27:25 2003 From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:27:25 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: security on an announce-only list In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030616102117.00bd2f48@mail.thcwd.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030616102117.00bd2f48@mail.thcwd.com> Message-ID: <20030616192725.GB23012@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 10:25:33AM -0500, Paul H Byerly wrote: > Jeroen Valcke wrote: > >IMHO, the problem with the approve passwd is that anybody who knows (or > >guesses) the approve passwd can post to the list. > > I'm still trying to figure out how to put the password in the first > line and not have it show up in the post. What I am using is "Approved: > password" . Should it be something else? > When I do it as a header it strips it, but that option is not > workable for some who need to be able to get posts through. When I put the Approved: MailMan passes the msg and strips the first line with the passwd. This is on MailMan 2.1.1. -Jeroen- -- Jeroen Valcke sst at belnet.be jeroen.valcke at belnet.be From kremels at kreme.com Mon Jun 16 21:35:07 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:35:07 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: security on an announce-only list In-Reply-To: <20030616083123.GA20933@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> Message-ID: On Monday, Jun 16, 2003, at 02:31 Canada/Mountain, Jeroen Valcke wrote: > In 'membership management' I disabled moderation for people who should > be able to send msgs to the list. NO, tun on moderation for EVERYONE. When someone wants to post, the start their message with Approved: the message gets posted and the Approved: header is stripped. -- "As God as my witness, I though turkey's could fly," Arthur Carlson, WKRP in Cincinnati From vinil at zagamma.cz Mon Jun 16 22:11:44 2003 From: vinil at zagamma.cz (ViNiL) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:11:44 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] regenerating archive problem Message-ID: <200306162211.44601.vinil@zagamma.cz> Hello there! I'm running Mailman 2.1.2. While regenerating the archive I encountered following problem: Ukl?d?m stav archivu do/home/mailman/archives/private/czu/pipermail.pck Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/arch", line 187, in ? main() File "bin/arch", line 175, in main archiver.processUnixMailbox(fp, start, end) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 544, in processUnixMailbox m = mbox.next() File "/usr/lib/python2.2/mailbox.py", line 34, in next return self.factory(_Subfile(self.fp, start, stop)) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 89, in scrubber return mailbox.scrub(msg) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 109, in scrub return self._scrubber(self._mlist, msg) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 305, in process t = unicode(t, 'ascii', 'replace').encode('ascii') UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128) Is it a known problem? Or is anyone interested in additional details? -- ViNiL the GNU hippie if (argc > 1 && strcmp(argv[1], "-advice") == 0) { printf("Don't Panic!\n"); exit(42); } (Arnold Robbins in the LJ of February '95, describing RCS) From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be Mon Jun 16 22:30:11 2003 From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:30:11 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: security on an announce-only list In-Reply-To: References: <20030616083123.GA20933@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> Message-ID: <20030616203010.GC23050@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 01:35:07PM -0600, LuKreme wrote: > On Monday, Jun 16, 2003, at 02:31 Canada/Mountain, Jeroen Valcke wrote: > >In 'membership management' I disabled moderation for people who should > >be able to send msgs to the list. > > NO, tun on moderation for EVERYONE. Sorry, I meant to say 'enabled'. See my first paragraph. > When someone wants to post, the start their message with > > Approved: > > the message gets posted and the Approved: header is stripped. Yeps, indeed. Works fine now. However I was wondering could an extra check be added? Like for example msgs with approve are only allowed from certain addresses. -Jeroen- -- Jeroen Valcke sst at belnet.be jeroen.valcke at belnet.be From cra at bigfatpipe.net Tue Jun 17 00:19:15 2003 From: cra at bigfatpipe.net (Christopher Allen [BigFatPipe.Net]) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] FreeBSD 5.1, Python 2.1.3, Mailman 2.1.2 Install In-Reply-To: <16110.6392.694086.48198@yertle.int.kciLink.com> References: <20030616135137.Q3171@frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu> <16110.6392.694086.48198@yertle.int.kciLink.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Jun 2003, Vivek Khera wrote: > TL> and FreeBSD likes to have a redundant file called /etc/master.passwd which > TL> I added the same: > > TL> mailman:*:501:502:Mailman MLM:/nonexistent:/sbin/nologin > > TL> Apparently there is a problem with this. > > If you editied the /etc/master.passwd file, you did it the wrong way. > These two flat files are just text representations of the real > password database. The one, true, way to edit the password database > is to use the vipw command. You can also add users using the pw > program. Actually, editing the /etc/master.passwd then rebuiding the DB is an okay route to go. Issuing the command: /usr/sbin/pwd_mkdb /etc/master.passwd Will build the system password db based on what's in /etc/master.passwd. If you use vipw, it simply automates this process. -CA -- Christopher R. Allen ---- cra at bigfatpipe.net -- -- "Education is a progressive discovery of our -- -- own ignorance." ---------------- Will Durant -- From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Jun 17 01:07:38 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:07:38 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] external archiver second time Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030616221443.03cec710@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 18:29 16/06/2003, Jonas Meurer wrote: >*** PGP Signature Status: unknown >*** Signer: Unknown, Key ID xE25F2102 >*** Signed: 16/06/2003 18:29:16 >*** Verified: 16/06/2003 22:14:37 >*** BEGIN PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE *** > > >hello, >i still have in my mm_cfg.py: >PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'lurker-index -l `lurker-list -c >/etc/lurker/lurker.conf | grep -B2 "^%(listname)s$"| head -n1` -m' From a quick glance at the documentation files accompanying the lurker release 0.90 on sourceforge I would have thought that the following line would do it: PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'lurker-index -l %(listname}s -c /etc/lurker/lurker.conf -m' For example, with a MM list called fred-list this would lead to MM executing the following command and piping the message text to STDIN for the subprocess: 'lurker-index -l fred-list -c /etc/lurker/lurker.conf -m' This seems fairly straightforward. It seems your trouble is with the fancy footwork you are trying to perform with lurker-list, grep and head to translate a mailman-proper-listname to a short-lurker-listname. The efficiency of this seems to me to be fairly questionable, particularly when you consider the use of the short 'list' names is supposed to be an efficiency measure. Personally, if I thought it was worth the effort to have these abbrieviated list names I'd find a better method of doing that mapping than using grep. But if you insist on doing it the grep way, I think you may need to say: PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'lurker-index -c /etc/lurker/lurker.conf -l `lurker-list -c /etc/lurker/lurker.conf | grep -B2 "^%(listname)s$"| head -n1` -m' that is assuming the output from lurker-list without any other parameters consists of groups three lines, the first being the short-lurker-listname and the third the mailman-proper-listname. I'll now leave you to persuade the grepping and such to work. This is definitely not a Mailman problem but feel free to add an entry to the Mailman FAQ when you get it working. >that doesn't work. >how can i do this (showed in shell prompt) for every message mailman >gets: >listlurker=`lurker-list -c /etc/lurker/lurker.conf | grep -B2 >"^${listname}$" | head -n1` >lurker-import -l $listlurker -m > > >where ${listname} has to have the value of the listname. to explain the >regex: 'lurker-list -c /etc/lurker/lurker.conf' gives some output >(lists, and their configs). 'grep -B2 "^${listname}$"' greps for a line >that has [linestart]${listname}[linend]. [linestart] is ^ and [linend] >$. grep fetches this and the two lines under it and outputs that. 'head >-n1' gives the last line of the output. >'lurker-import -l $listlurker -m' really is the prompt that needs the >message through stdin. > > >do you have and idea how to patch mailman doing the above? > > >bye > mejo > > >-- >Efficiency and progess is ours one more >Now that we have the Neutron bomb >It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done >Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight > > > >*** END PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From paul at thcwd.com Tue Jun 17 04:48:40 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:48:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: security on an announce-only list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030616214608.032d4618@mail.thcwd.com> Jeroen Valcke wrote: >When I put the Approved: MailMan passes the msg and strips the >first line with the passwd. > >This is on MailMan 2.1.1. After a lot of trial and error I find that it works for plain text messages, but not for html messages. If there is any html in the message it goes through, but the password stays with it. And of course the only lists I want to use this on are also the only ones that use html. Sigh. <>< Paul From khera at kcilink.com Tue Jun 17 05:27:17 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:27:17 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] FreeBSD 5.1, Python 2.1.3, Mailman 2.1.2 Install In-Reply-To: References: <20030616135137.Q3171@frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu> <16110.6392.694086.48198@yertle.int.kciLink.com> Message-ID: <16110.35477.861712.88033@yertle.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "CA" == Christopher Allen <[BigFatPipe.Net]" > writes: >> is to use the vipw command. You can also add users using the pw >> program. CA> Actually, editing the /etc/master.passwd then rebuiding the DB is an okay CA> route to go. Issuing the command: CA> /usr/sbin/pwd_mkdb /etc/master.passwd Don't forget file locking to prevent any other program from editing the user database at the same time... vipw handles that too. Like I said, the one true way is to use vipw (or its relatives). It can even be scripted... From kremels at kreme.com Tue Jun 17 08:26:35 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme (List User Kreme)) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:26:35 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: security on an announce-only list In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030616214608.032d4618@mail.thcwd.com> Message-ID: On Monday, Jun 16, 2003, at 20:48 Canada/Mountain, Paul H Byerly wrote: > Jeroen Valcke wrote: >> When I put the Approved: MailMan passes the msg and strips >> the >> first line with the passwd. >> >> This is on MailMan 2.1.1. > > After a lot of trial and error I find that it works for plain > text messages, but not for html messages. If there is any html in the > message it goes through, but the password stays with it. That is because in an HTML message the FIRST LINE is not "Approved: password" the first line is "" -- And the three men I admire most, the father son and the holly ghost, they caught the last train for the coast... From Alain.Chappuis at medecine.unige.ch Tue Jun 17 08:27:56 2003 From: Alain.Chappuis at medecine.unige.ch (Alain Chappuis) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:27:56 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2 Message-ID: <3EEEB4EC.6090805@medecine.unige.ch> Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/www/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/www/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 163, in main process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata) File "/www/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 758, in process_form preserve, forward, forwardaddr) File "/www/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 184, in HandleRequest forward, addr) File "/www/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 373, in __handlepost syslog('vette', note) File "/www/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py", line 40, in write self.write_ex(kind, msg, args, kws) File "/www/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py", line 58, in write_ex logf.write(msg + '\n') File "/www/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 73, in write Logger.write(self, "%s %s" % (prefix, msg)) File "/www/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 91, in write f.write(msg) UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128) Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, May 15 2003, 10:15:35) [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (release)] sys.executable /usr/local/bin/python sys.prefix /usr/local sys.exec_prefix /usr/local sys.path /usr/local sys.platform sunos5 Environment variables: Variable Value PATH_INFO /ebn-ch HTTP_ACCEPT text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_REFERER http://ebn.unige.ch/mailman/admindb/ebn-ch?msgid=170 SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.3.1 PYTHONPATH /www/mailman SCRIPT_FILENAME /www/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb SERVER_ADMIN alain.chappuis at medecine.unige.ch SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admindb SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.27 Server at ebn.unige.ch Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD POST HTTP_HOST ebn.unige.ch HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 300 SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive REQUEST_URI /mailman/admindb/ebn-ch CONTENT_LENGTH 2775 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; fr-FR; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030530 TZ MET HTTP_COOKIE ebn-ch+admin=2802000000697eb4ee3e732800000036336138383061643066363830346335666365303837316331616662613066343861653866646432 SERVER_NAME ebn.unige.ch REMOTE_ADDR 129.194.97.254 REMOTE_PORT 38996 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE fr,en-us;q=0.7,en;q=0.3 PATH_TRANSLATED /www/apache/htdocs/ebn-ch SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 REMOTE_HOST cmusun30 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip,deflate SERVER_ADDR 129.194.97.254 DOCUMENT_ROOT /www/apache/htdocs -- Alain Chappuis [Ing?nieur Syst?me 1] Universit? de Gen?ve/Facult? de M?decine/Service Informatique 1, Rue Michel-Servet | CH-1211 Gen?ve 4 http://www.sifm.unige.ch/presentation/alain.php T?l.:++41 22.379.5073 Fax.:++41 22.379.3334/022.379.5858 From mjd at lemieux.icebird.com Tue Jun 17 09:35:26 2003 From: mjd at lemieux.icebird.com (Mike Darweesh) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:35:26 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.2, postfix, openbsd 3.3 quietly fails Message-ID: <20030617073526.GA8757@lemieux.icebird.com> Hi all, I'm stumped. I have mailman 2.1.2 running on openbsd 3.3, with postfix and python 2.2 When I post to my lists (which used to work on my previous install of all these), I get nearly silent failure. The only trace of the mail is from /var/log/maillog : Jun 17 00:14:36 lemieux postfix/local[6840]: 0B55921C46: to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent ("|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post nz") I don't see anything in any other logs. I've tried running the mailman post command manually as nobody and that gives no user feedback of failure and also no results. My postfix is running this command as nobody. Any ideas what I should be doing to debug this further? Help, Thanks, -Mike From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk Tue Jun 17 10:12:53 2003 From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:12:53 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: security on an announce-only list In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030616102117.00bd2f48@mail.thcwd.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030616102117.00bd2f48@mail.thcwd.com> Message-ID: <1055837570.30218.3.camel@angua.localnet> On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 16:25, Paul H Byerly wrote: > I'm still trying to figure out how to put the password in the first > line and not have it show up in the post. What I am using is "Approved: > password" . Should it be something else? You are sending messages as plain text aren't you? If they are multipart/alternative (ie text & html parts) there will be 2 sets of message data that need the Approved: pseudo-header stripping, and if its straight html then you may confuse the parser... other things that could make it break would be strange character sets or encoding. Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From R.A.Gardener at shu.ac.uk Tue Jun 17 10:16:44 2003 From: R.A.Gardener at shu.ac.uk (Ray Gardener) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:16:44 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to version 2.1 - latency on processing incoming messages References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030616145020.03b99518@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030616170024.05c7a848@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <001e01c334a8$d64a4ed0$5a14348f@videoproducer> Richard, Deliveries are now flowing quickly again. I noticed an old and orphaned .pck file in the qfiles/in directory and deleted it (the system had been halted using reboot earlier in the day which may have caused this). But I didn't see any errors related to this file in the logs or on the console. Next time I will see what the qrunner -v option tells me ;-) BTW Is the in/queue processing always FIFO in Mailman 2.1? Regards and thanks, Ray Is the ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Barrett" To: "Ray Gardener" Cc: Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to version 2.1 - latency on processing incoming messages > At 16:25 16/06/2003, Ray Gardener wrote: > >Richard, > > > >the logs indicate that posts are being accepted into the mailman in queue > >within a minute from being sent by the MUA. From the mailman post logs I > >can see the messages being sent by out mailman, after which they arriving in > >the mailing list members mailbox within a minute. So the majority of the > >wait seems to be in the mailman system rather than in the surrounding mail > >systems. (Running "qrunner -r Incoming" invariably causes the mail to much > >more quickly.) However I do notice that there is a gap between the time the > >message arrives in the in queue and it getting logged in the post log that > >accounts for much of the delay > > I can see currently, files in the qfiles/in directory that have been there > >for 15 minutes without anything logged for them in either the post or smtp > >logs. > > > > The post and smtp log entries for a given message are written after the > message goes out and give no direct read on the time the local MTA handed > over the message to MM and it was inserted into the incoming queue; the > MTA's mail log (/var/log/mail ??, depends on your system) is good for that. > > I do not think there is a generic problem for the latest stable 2.1 (MM > 2.1.2). I'm currently looking at a lightly loaded (but quite slow hardware) > MM server running MM 2.1.2 and it is taking just a few tens of seconds to > pass messages right through the system. > > The MM code that delivers to the outgoing MTA (assuming you are using > SMTPDirect) does not write to the MM post or smtp logs until delivery to > the outbound MTA is complete so there is the real possibility that the > delay in processing is not due to MM per se but brought about by delays it > is seeing in handing off outgoing mail to the SMTP server. > > Is your MM handing outgoing mail to the local MTA or are using SMTP to > separate outbound mail relay machine? If so, that machine's load may also > be affecting things. > > As an aside, I originally configured the system I am currently looking at > to use SMTP to the main outgoing mail relay machine for the site. I > subsequently changed it to send out via the local MTA as MM can be a touch > aggressive trying to hand off to a sluggish MTA and the main relay machine > is running a whole slew of virus and spam checking which slowed it at times > of high traffic. Going via the local MTA got the mail off MM's hands > quickly and it (Sendmail) was better better behaved in dealing with the > communication with the main mail relay machine in times of stress. But that > may not reflect your usage. > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Richard Barrett" > >To: "Gardener, Ray A" > >Cc: > >Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:09 PM > >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to version 2.1 - latency on processing > >incoming messages > > > > > > > At 13:32 16/06/2003, Gardener, Ray A wrote: > > > >Hi > > > > > > > >Last week I upgraded to 2.1 - after a few problem things seems to be > > > >almost working fine. > > > >However I notice that mails sent in regularly take over 20 minutes to be > > > >delivered. The logs directory files for mailman don't show any > > > >problems and the system is lightly loaded. > > > > > > But where is the time delay occurring: between receipt by the local MTA > >and > > > Mailman sending it out, between Mailman handing it off to the outbound MTA > > > and that passing the mail on. What do the headers on "delayed" mail show; > > > also the MTA and Mailman's post/smtp logs. > > > > > > > > If anything the latency should be better with 2.1.x than with 2.0.x > > > > > > Are these posts to lists with many subscribers or do they have some > > > characteristic (large posts, many attachments) that might affect their > > > handling? > > > > > >No this has been reproduced in my test list with two subscribers and small > >(< 3k) messages. > > > >Regards, > > > >Ray > > > >Ray > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk > > From r2d2 at yebo.co.za Tue Jun 17 10:43:16 2003 From: r2d2 at yebo.co.za (JvdW) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:43:16 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Lotus notes Message-ID: <20030617104316.65028262.r2d2@yebo.co.za> Hi everyone I have a strange problem with Mailman(v2.1.1 and postfix) and people using Lotus notes. When sending a message to the list with a .xls attachment the person using Lotus notes get the attachment as a .dat file. They then have to rename the file to get it to work. All the other members on the list receive the mail fine. This is a bit of a problem for me, and would appreciate any help you guys can offer. -- l8r ./JvdW From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Jun 17 11:55:44 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:55:44 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to version 2.1 - latency on processing incoming messages In-Reply-To: <001e01c334a8$d64a4ed0$5a14348f@videoproducer> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030616145020.03b99518@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030616170024.05c7a848@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030617101630.03ce0098@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 09:16 17/06/2003, Ray Gardener wrote: >Richard, > >Deliveries are now flowing quickly again. I noticed an old and orphaned .pck >file in the qfiles/in directory and deleted it (the system had been halted >using reboot earlier in the day which may have caused this). But I didn't >see any errors related to this file in the logs or on the console. Next time >I will see what the qrunner -v option tells me ;-) BTW Is the in/queue >processing always FIFO in Mailman 2.1? From a quick glance at the code the handling of the queues is FIFO. The queue files have their date/time as part of their file name and this is used to order the queue. >Regards and thanks, > >Ray > > >Is the >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Barrett" >To: "Ray Gardener" >Cc: >Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 5:31 PM >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to version 2.1 - latency on processing >incoming messages > > > > At 16:25 16/06/2003, Ray Gardener wrote: > > >Richard, > > > > > >the logs indicate that posts are being accepted into the mailman in queue > > >within a minute from being sent by the MUA. From the mailman post logs I > > >can see the messages being sent by out mailman, after which they arriving >in > > >the mailing list members mailbox within a minute. So the majority of the > > >wait seems to be in the mailman system rather than in the surrounding >mail > > >systems. (Running "qrunner -r Incoming" invariably causes the mail to >much > > >more quickly.) However I do notice that there is a gap between the time >the > > >message arrives in the in queue and it getting logged in the post log >that > > >accounts for much of the delay > > > I can see currently, files in the qfiles/in directory that have been >there > > >for 15 minutes without anything logged for them in either the post or >smtp > > >logs. > > > > > > > The post and smtp log entries for a given message are written after the > > message goes out and give no direct read on the time the local MTA handed > > over the message to MM and it was inserted into the incoming queue; the > > MTA's mail log (/var/log/mail ??, depends on your system) is good for >that. > > > > I do not think there is a generic problem for the latest stable 2.1 (MM > > 2.1.2). I'm currently looking at a lightly loaded (but quite slow >hardware) > > MM server running MM 2.1.2 and it is taking just a few tens of seconds to > > pass messages right through the system. > > > > The MM code that delivers to the outgoing MTA (assuming you are using > > SMTPDirect) does not write to the MM post or smtp logs until delivery to > > the outbound MTA is complete so there is the real possibility that the > > delay in processing is not due to MM per se but brought about by delays it > > is seeing in handing off outgoing mail to the SMTP server. > > > > Is your MM handing outgoing mail to the local MTA or are using SMTP to > > separate outbound mail relay machine? If so, that machine's load may also > > be affecting things. > > > > As an aside, I originally configured the system I am currently looking at > > to use SMTP to the main outgoing mail relay machine for the site. I > > subsequently changed it to send out via the local MTA as MM can be a touch > > aggressive trying to hand off to a sluggish MTA and the main relay machine > > is running a whole slew of virus and spam checking which slowed it at >times > > of high traffic. Going via the local MTA got the mail off MM's hands > > quickly and it (Sendmail) was better better behaved in dealing with the > > communication with the main mail relay machine in times of stress. But >that > > may not reflect your usage. > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Richard Barrett" > > >To: "Gardener, Ray A" > > >Cc: > > >Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:09 PM > > >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to version 2.1 - latency on >processing > > >incoming messages > > > > > > > > > > At 13:32 16/06/2003, Gardener, Ray A wrote: > > > > >Hi > > > > > > > > > >Last week I upgraded to 2.1 - after a few problem things seems to be > > > > >almost working fine. > > > > >However I notice that mails sent in regularly take over 20 minutes >to be > > > > >delivered. The logs directory files for mailman don't show any > > > > >problems and the system is lightly loaded. > > > > > > > > But where is the time delay occurring: between receipt by the local >MTA > > >and > > > > Mailman sending it out, between Mailman handing it off to the outbound >MTA > > > > and that passing the mail on. What do the headers on "delayed" mail >show; > > > > also the MTA and Mailman's post/smtp logs. > > > > > > > > > > > If anything the latency should be better with 2.1.x than with 2.0.x > > > > > > > > Are these posts to lists with many subscribers or do they have some > > > > characteristic (large posts, many attachments) that might affect their > > > > handling? > > > > > > > > >No this has been reproduced in my test list with two subscribers and >small > > >(< 3k) messages. > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > >Ray > > > > > >Ray > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- > > Richard Barrett >http://www.openinfo.co.uk > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From r2d2 at yebo.co.za Tue Jun 17 12:29:21 2003 From: r2d2 at yebo.co.za (JvdW) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:29:21 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Lotus notes In-Reply-To: <20030617104316.65028262.r2d2@yebo.co.za> References: <20030617104316.65028262.r2d2@yebo.co.za> Message-ID: <20030617122921.24bec17a.r2d2@yebo.co.za> Hi again I think I found my problem, but now I need a work around. I failed to mention in my email below that the attachment has a very long filename, including spaces. Windows user, go figure... O and now the problem is with Outlook users using Exchange as well. Anyway, when I rename the attachment and make the filename shorter, all works fine. This tells me that either Mailman or Postfix is doing something with the attachment? However, sending the mail from a Outlook Express mail client via a Postfix smtp server the attachent is fine. This points me to Mailman. Is there something in Mailman that will do something or have a problem with long filenames in attachments? Regards JvdW On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:43:16 +0200 JvdW wrote: > Hi everyone > > I have a strange problem with Mailman(v2.1.1 and postfix) and people using Lotus notes. When sending a message to the list with a .xls attachment the person using Lotus notes get the attachment as a .dat file. They then have to rename the file to get it to work. All the other members on the list receive the mail fine. > > This is a bit of a problem for me, and would appreciate any help you guys can offer. > > -- > l8r > ./JvdW > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: r2d2 at yebo.co.za > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r2d2%40yebo.co.za From kremels at kreme.com Tue Jun 17 12:35:24 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme (List User Kreme)) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 04:35:24 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2.1.2, postfix, openbsd 3.3 quietly fails In-Reply-To: <20030617073526.GA8757@lemieux.icebird.com> Message-ID: <678607B4-A0AF-11D7-8092-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> On Tuesday, Jun 17, 2003, at 01:35 Canada/Mountain, Mike Darweesh wrote: > The only trace of the mail is from /var/log/maillog : > > Jun 17 00:14:36 lemieux postfix/local[6840]: 0B55921C46: > to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent > ("|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post nz") > > I don't see anything in any other logs. I've tried running the mailman > post > command manually as nobody and that gives no user feedback of failure > and > also no results. does the message bounce? Is qrunner active? Did you check mailman's own ~/logs/ files? -- Love seeketh not itself to please Nor for itself hath any care But for another gives it's ease And builds a heaven in Hell's despair From kremels at kreme.com Tue Jun 17 12:37:53 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme (List User Kreme)) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 04:37:53 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] regex to reject TOFU? Message-ID: Has anyone written a regex for mailman 2.1 that rejects TOFU posts? Or maybe on that catches messages based on a message ending with 3 or more quoted lines? Or maybe even one that catches posts where the list footers are included? -- Instant karma's gonna get you From jonas at freesources.org Tue Jun 17 13:58:35 2003 From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:58:35 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] external archiver second time In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030616221443.03cec710@mail.openinfo.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030616221443.03cec710@mail.openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030617115835.GC998@freesources.org> On 17/06/2003 Richard Barrett wrote: > >i still have in my mm_cfg.py: > >PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'lurker-index -l `lurker-list -c > >/etc/lurker/lurker.conf | grep -B2 "^%(listname)s$"| head -n1` -m' > > From a quick glance at the documentation files accompanying the lurker > release 0.90 on sourceforge I would have thought that the following line > would do it: > > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'lurker-index -l %(listname}s -c > /etc/lurker/lurker.conf -m' > > For example, with a MM list called fred-list this would lead to MM > executing the following command and piping the message text to STDIN for > the subprocess: > > 'lurker-index -l fred-list -c /etc/lurker/lurker.conf -m' ok, some explanation: i'm the debian maintainer of lurker and i wrote a little wrapper for lurker-index that automaticly uses the config file. so only 'lurker-index -l fred-list -m' is needed. > It seems your trouble is with the fancy footwork you are trying to perform > with lurker-list, grep and head to translate a mailman-proper-listname to a > short-lurker-listname. doesn't look so. when i set in mm_cfg.py: PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = "echo foobar" mailman still grumbles: ==> /var/log/mailman/error <== Jun 17 13:26:59 2003 (1464) external archiver non-zero exit status: 1 so that seems not to be a problem of lurker. > The efficiency of this seems to me to be fairly questionable, particularly > when you consider the use of the short 'list' names is supposed to be an > efficiency measure. > > Personally, if I thought it was worth the effort to have these abbrieviated > list names I'd find a better method of doing that mapping than using grep. mh, i don't like this workaround either. but it has to be: lurker supports only 32 chars per listname, and max 16 is recommented. that is, because lurker is using these names in urls, and long urls suck. so, mailman itself has no listname limitation. how to get these two paradoxes working together? only with an acronym of mailman listname for lurker. so i create a (hopefully) unique acronym at creating lurker.conf now every mail has to be imported to the list with it's acronym. that's why i have to use this ugly workaround. a better solution would be to add a function to lurker-list that gives the listname where title = 'bla'. like lurker-list -c /etc/lurker/lurker.conf -t fred-list -i but that is not supported by lurker-list at the moment. don't know if upstream would add this function. still, the hole workaround is not the best solution. the lists i maintain are all in the style 'part1-part2-part3-...'. some without any -, some with many. so i split the list in the parts, n=number of parts. then i do 16/n, and every part gets as many chars as the result gives. now the first run of a loop fills the acronym until 1*(16/n), the second until 2*(16/n). so there will always result an acronym without the - but with at least 16/n chars per part, if the part is long enough. here is the algoritm script: actual_list_lc=`echo $actual_list | awk '{print tolower($0)}'` actual_list_id=`echo $actual_list_lc | awk'{s="";n=split($0,a,/-/);c=16/n;for(i=1;i<=n;i++){s=s""substr(a[i],1,c*i-length(s))};print tolower(s)}' if $actual_list has value "Argentina-Communicados" for example, $actual_list_lc will be "argentina-communicados", and $actual_list_id will have value "argentincommunic". if anyone has a better solution for a workaround, please contact me. i'm really unhappy with the stuff above. > But if you insist on doing it the grep way, I think you may need to say: > > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'lurker-index -c /etc/lurker/lurker.conf -l > `lurker-list -c /etc/lurker/lurker.conf | grep -B2 "^%(listname)s$"| head > -n1` -m' > > that is assuming the output from lurker-list without any other parameters > consists of groups three lines, the first being the short-lurker-listname > and the third the mailman-proper-listname. see above (the config is not needed as i use the wrapper). > I'll now leave you to persuade the grepping and such to work. > > This is definitely not a Mailman problem but feel free to add an entry to > the Mailman FAQ when you get it working. once mailman runs without any problems with lurker as archiver, i'll surely add an entry to the mailman faq ;) bye mejo -- Efficiency and progess is ours one more Now that we have the Neutron bomb It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Livingston II) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:38:51 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) Subject: [Mailman-Users] external archiver second time In-Reply-To: <20030617115835.GC998@freesources.org> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030616221443.03cec710@mail.openinfo.co.uk> <20030617115835.GC998@freesources.org> Message-ID: <200306170740464.SM01784@phorce1-xp> On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:58:35 +0200 Jonas Meurer wrote: > still, the hole workaround is not the best solution. the lists i > maintain are all in the style 'part1-part2-part3-...'. some without any > -, some with many. so i split the list in the parts, n=number of parts. > then i do 16/n, and every part gets as many chars as the result gives. > now the first run of a loop fills the acronym until 1*(16/n), the second > until 2*(16/n). so there will always result an acronym without the - but > with at least 16/n chars per part, if the part is long enough. here is > the algoritm script: > actual_list_lc=`echo $actual_list | awk '{print tolower($0)}'` > actual_list_id=`echo $actual_list_lc | > awk'{s="";n=split($0,a,/-/);c=16/n;for(i=1;i<=n;i++){s=s""substr(a[i],1,c > *i-length(s))};print tolower(s)}' > > if $actual_list has value "Argentina-Communicados" for example, > $actual_list_lc will be "argentina-communicados", and $actual_list_id > will have value "argentincommunic". What happens if an english speaking customer/friend creates another list on your host called "Argentine-Communications"?? G -- Gerald V. Livingston II Configure your Email to send TEXT ONLY -- See the following page: http://expita.com/nomime.html '74 Kombi (to be renamed - LifeSaver doesn't 'feel' right) '69 Type 1 - AirBall the Rolling Basket Case http://www.phorce1.com http://www.buskatiers.org From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Jun 17 16:22:15 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:22:15 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] external archiver second time Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030617142212.058dddd8@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 12:58 17/06/2003, Jonas Meurer wrote: >*** PGP Signature Status: unknown >*** Signer: Unknown, Key ID xE25F2102 >*** Signed: 17/06/2003 12:58:35 >*** Verified: 17/06/2003 14:21:59 >*** BEGIN PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE *** > >On 17/06/2003 Richard Barrett wrote: > > >i still have in my mm_cfg.py: > > >PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'lurker-index -l `lurker-list -c > > >/etc/lurker/lurker.conf | grep -B2 "^%(listname)s$"| head -n1` -m' > > > > From a quick glance at the documentation files accompanying the lurker > > release 0.90 on sourceforge I would have thought that the following line > > would do it: > > > > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'lurker-index -l %(listname}s -c > > /etc/lurker/lurker.conf -m' > > > > For example, with a MM list called fred-list this would lead to MM > > executing the following command and piping the message text to STDIN for > > the subprocess: > > > > 'lurker-index -l fred-list -c /etc/lurker/lurker.conf -m' > >ok, some explanation: i'm the debian maintainer of lurker and i wrote >a little wrapper for lurker-index that automaticly uses the config file. >so only 'lurker-index -l fred-list -m' is needed. > > > It seems your trouble is with the fancy footwork you are trying to perform > > with lurker-list, grep and head to translate a mailman-proper-listname > to a > > short-lurker-listname. > >doesn't look so. when i set in mm_cfg.py: >PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = "echo foobar" >mailman still grumbles: >==> /var/log/mailman/error <== >Jun 17 13:26:59 2003 (1464) external archiver non-zero exit status: 1 > >so that seems not to be a problem of lurker. I do not want to get into a contest but for me the following work fine when added to mm_cfg.py on my MM 2.1.2 backup/test server: PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'echo "got called for %(listname)s" | cat >> /tmp/teststuff' PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'echo "got called for %(listname)s" | cat >> /tmp/teststuff' appends a line containing the target listname to the file for each archived message, while: PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'cat >> /tmp/teststuff' PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'cat >> /tmp/teststuff' appends each archived message to the file. As I said before, it is far from clear to me that your problem is a Mailman problem per se. I'm inclined to think that getting these test cases to work would be a useful first objective. Is the failure to execute the external archiver command correctly some execution environment issue which I do not see (running Suse Linux 7.3 with Python 2.2.2 and MM 2.1.2 installed from source) but you do see when running, presumably, Debian? Maybe it is an enviroment problem when the extranl command > > The efficiency of this seems to me to be fairly questionable, particularly > > when you consider the use of the short 'list' names is supposed to be an > > efficiency measure. > > > > Personally, if I thought it was worth the effort to have these > abbrieviated > > list names I'd find a better method of doing that mapping than using grep. > >mh, i don't like this workaround either. but it has to be: lurker >supports only 32 chars per listname, and max 16 is recommented. that is, >because lurker is using these names in urls, and long urls suck. >so, mailman itself has no listname limitation. how to get these two >paradoxes working together? only with an acronym of mailman listname for >lurker. so i create a (hopefully) unique acronym at creating lurker.conf >now every mail has to be imported to the list with it's acronym. >that's why i have to use this ugly workaround. a better solution would >be to add a function to lurker-list that gives the listname where title >= 'bla'. like >lurker-list -c /etc/lurker/lurker.conf -t fred-list -i > >but that is not supported by lurker-list at the moment. don't know if >upstream would add this function. > >still, the hole workaround is not the best solution. the lists i >maintain are all in the style 'part1-part2-part3-...'. some without any >-, some with many. so i split the list in the parts, n=number of parts. >then i do 16/n, and every part gets as many chars as the result gives. >now the first run of a loop fills the acronym until 1*(16/n), the second >until 2*(16/n). so there will always result an acronym without the - but >with at least 16/n chars per part, if the part is long enough. here is >the algoritm script: >actual_list_lc=`echo $actual_list | awk '{print tolower($0)}'` >actual_list_id=`echo $actual_list_lc | >awk'{s="";n=split($0,a,/-/);c=16/n;for(i=1;i<=n;i++){s=s""substr(a[i],1,c*i-length(s))};print >tolower(s)}' > >if $actual_list has value "Argentina-Communicados" for example, >$actual_list_lc will be "argentina-communicados", and $actual_list_id >will have value "argentincommunic". > >if anyone has a better solution for a workaround, please contact me. i'm >really unhappy with the stuff above. > > > But if you insist on doing it the grep way, I think you may need to say: > > > > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'lurker-index -c /etc/lurker/lurker.conf -l > > `lurker-list -c /etc/lurker/lurker.conf | grep -B2 "^%(listname)s$"| head > > -n1` -m' > > > > that is assuming the output from lurker-list without any other parameters > > consists of groups three lines, the first being the short-lurker-listname > > and the third the mailman-proper-listname. > >see above (the config is not needed as i use the wrapper). > > > I'll now leave you to persuade the grepping and such to work. > > > > This is definitely not a Mailman problem but feel free to add an entry to > > the Mailman FAQ when you get it working. > >once mailman runs without any problems with lurker as archiver, i'll >surely add an entry to the mailman faq ;) > >bye > mejo > >-- >Efficiency and progess is ours one more >Now that we have the Neutron bomb >It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done >Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight > > >*** END PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Tue Jun 17 17:14:14 2003 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Logging question... Message-ID: <2378.65.246.246.82.1055862854.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> Hey everyone.. running MM 2.1 on FreeBSD 4.8 with Postfix/AMaViS/SpamAssassin I had a user ask me why an email she sent never got posted to a list she's a proper member of.. so I went to investigate.. saw that yes, she indeed posted a message, it hit my SMTP, went through SA/AMaViS and through to Mailman, but it never went anywhere from there. So.. I went to look at the Mailman logs... they're um.. well.. empty. My guess is it is a perms thing... they're mostly owned by mailman:mailman with perms of 644, except for subscribe which is owned by www:mailman perms of 644 What are the proper permissions for the log files in /usr/local/mailman/logs? Thank you! :) Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear "All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals"-Charge of the Goddess From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Jun 17 17:34:38 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:34:38 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Logging question... In-Reply-To: <2378.65.246.246.82.1055862854.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030617162806.05ab8a40@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 16:14 17/06/2003, Glenn Sieb wrote: >Hey everyone.. running MM 2.1 on FreeBSD 4.8 with Postfix/AMaViS/SpamAssassin > >I had a user ask me why an email she sent never got posted to a list she's >a proper member of.. so I went to investigate.. saw that yes, she indeed >posted a message, it hit my SMTP, went through SA/AMaViS and through to >Mailman, but it never went anywhere from there. > >So.. I went to look at the Mailman logs... they're um.. well.. empty. > >My guess is it is a perms thing... they're mostly owned by mailman:mailman >with perms of 644, except for subscribe which is owned by www:mailman >perms of 644 > >What are the proper permissions for the log files in /usr/local/mailman/logs? Usually 0664 for the files in $prefix/logs but the best way to get this right is by running '$prefix/bin/check_perms -f' as either root or the mailman user. This makes sure the setgid bit on directories are also correct. I usually stop mailmanctl and the local MTA while check_perms is doing its fix thing. >Thank you! :) >Glenn >--- >The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author >(c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear >"All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals"-Charge of the Goddess ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From isolanelblu at yahoo.it Tue Jun 17 13:25:50 2003 From: isolanelblu at yahoo.it (=?iso-8859-1?q?Marcello?=) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:25:50 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] info Message-ID: <20030617112550.7761.qmail@web13702.mail.yahoo.com> Hi It's possible to connect mailman with a DataBase? Thanks Marcello --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail: 6MB di spazio gratuito, 30MB per i tuoi allegati, l'antivirus, il filtro Anti-spam From tobias at kabissa.org Tue Jun 17 18:34:56 2003 From: tobias at kabissa.org (Tobias Eigen) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:34:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two commands in PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER? Message-ID: <1055867696.3eef4330c3ef0@webmail.kabissa.org> Hi, While we're on the subject of PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER - has anyone successfully set it up to have two commands executed to generate two external archives at the same time? I want to continue using mhonarc while also testing another system (FUD Forum). I realize this is probably a trivial question for some of you, but I've been digging around quite a bit in Google and haven't found the answer. My latest attempt is: PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '(/usr/bin/mhonarc -add -outdir /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s -rcfile /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/mhonarc.rc -htmlext html -idxfname index.html -title %(listname)s -reverse -spammode ; /usr/local/mailman/scripts/maillist.php %(listname)s\@lists.kabissa.org)' .. which runs the first one (mhonarc) correctly as usual and does also runs the second one (maillist.php). However, the second one does not seem to be passed the message at all. I've tried a range of things based on the above - no luck. Any advice is appreciated. Cheers, Tobias -- Tobias Eigen Executive Director Kabissa - Space for change in Africa http://www.kabissa.org TIME TO GET ONLINE Internet Learning materials now online! Go: http://www.ttgo.kabissa.org Contact: ttgo at kabissa.org From paul at thcwd.com Tue Jun 17 19:00:56 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:00:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: security on an announce-only list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030617112132.033c1c70@mail.thcwd.com> At 03:23 AM 6/17/2003, you wrote: >On Monday, Jun 16, 2003, at 20:48 Canada/Mountain, Paul H Byerly wrote: > > > After a lot of trial and error I find that it works for plain > > text messages, but not for html messages. If there is any html in the > > message it goes through, but the password stays with it. LuKreme answered: >That is because in an HTML message the FIRST LINE is not "Approved: >password" the first line is "" Well duh, why didn't I realize that? What had me fooled was that it seemed to read the password. I realize now it was reading and stripping the text password, and ignoring the one in the html. And I don't see any easy way around that. I may have it beat. I send the message in plain text, with the approved header on the top, and then the html code below that. It comes out right when received by Eudora, and I assume would be good in others, but anyone reading plain text only is going to get code I think. <>< Paul "Your version of Window can not open the file. A 10 hour $$$ upgrade will fix the problem." From jonas at freesources.org Tue Jun 17 19:51:56 2003 From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:51:56 +0200 Subject: [Lurker-users] [Mailman-Users] external archiver second time In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030617142212.058dddd8@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030617142212.058dddd8@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030617175156.GQ998@freesources.org> On 17/06/2003 Richard Barrett wrote: > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'echo "got called for %(listname)s" | cat >> > /tmp/teststuff' > PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'echo "got called for %(listname)s" | cat >> > /tmp/teststuff' > > appends a line containing the target listname to the file for each archived > message, while: > > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'cat >> /tmp/teststuff' > PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'cat >> /tmp/teststuff' > > appends each archived message to the file. > > As I said before, it is far from clear to me that your problem is a Mailman > problem per se. > > I'm inclined to think that getting these test cases to work would be a > useful first objective. these examples both work for me too. so really no mailman error. if I set: PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/usr/bin/lurker-index -l imc-sysadmin -m > /tmp/logs 2>&1' cat /tmp/logs gives: opening database: Bad file descriptor to lurker list: any suggestions? /var/log/mailman/error gives: Jun 17 19:42:58 2003 (5300) external archiver non-zero exit status: 1 if i try PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '|/usr/bin/lurker-index -l imc-sysadmin -m > /tmp/logs 2>&1' /var/log/mailman/error gives: Jun 17 19:49:00 2003 (5376) external archiver non-zero exit status: 2 and /tmp/logs is not created. so any ideas how to use lurker-index that it works? bye mejo -- Efficiency and progess is ours one more Now that we have the Neutron bomb It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030617/e0d4ed8c/attachment.pgp From jonas at freesources.org Tue Jun 17 20:51:30 2003 From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:51:30 +0200 Subject: [Lurker-users] Re: [Mailman-Users] external archiver second time In-Reply-To: <20030617181243.GA26481@magicbane.bagofholding.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030616221443.03cec710@mail.openinfo.co.uk> <20030617115835.GC998@freesources.org> <20030617181243.GA26481@magicbane.bagofholding.com> Message-ID: <20030617185130.GT998@freesources.org> On 17/06/2003 Wesley W. Terpstra wrote: > I agree with Richard; this is too much work. Personally I would just not > bother. If the user has more than 32 characters in a mailman mailing list > name, just emit a warning on config generation and drop that list. > > This failure case is so rare that it makes no sense to execute all this > shell hackery for all lists. The user can manually create a rule for the > long lists if he is so inclined. Just document the warning and work-around. > > BTW, the short url is only one of the reasons I limit the length. =) mh, i think that's the best solution. when i look at some archives, lurker-list will give quite a lot of output. but as I wrote, even without the lurker-list stuff (giving the listname directly to lurker) doesn't work atm. > > > Personally, if I thought it was worth the effort to have these > > > abbrieviated list names I'd find a better method of doing that mapping > > > than using grep. > > Indeed; I didn't really intend for lurker-list to be used in this manner. > Besides, all list fields other than the id are not guaranteed to be unique > anyways... in fact, i didn't ever like the idea of using lurker-list for that, but waited for some better ideas. since there are no suggestions, i will delete this acronym creation code and simply do as you wrote above. > > doesn't look so. when i set in mm_cfg.py: > > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = "echo foobar" > > mailman still grumbles: > > ==> /var/log/mailman/error <== > > Jun 17 13:26:59 2003 (1464) external archiver non-zero exit status: 1 > > > > so that seems not to be a problem of lurker. > > That convinces me, but I am biased. :-) > > I presume lurker-index is working outside of mailman? > Does mailman set any child-enforced resource limits ala postfix? that would be interesting. lurker-index is working quite good outside of mailman with exactly this syntax. just giving no message to lurker-index causes no error but ends in lurker-index idling to infinity. so, doesn't look like the message delivery is the problem, but something else, like child-enforced resource limits ;) bye mejo -- Efficiency and progess is ours one more Now that we have the Neutron bomb It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My latest >attempt is: > >PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '(/usr/bin/mhonarc -add -outdir >/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s -rcfile >/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/mhonarc.rc -htmlext html -idxfname >index.html -title %(listname)s -reverse >-spammode ; /usr/local/mailman/scripts/maillist.php >%(listname)s\@lists.kabissa.org)' > >.. which runs the first one (mhonarc) correctly as usual and does also >runs the >second one (maillist.php). However, the second one does not seem to be passed >the message at all. > >I've tried a range of things based on the above - no luck. Any advice is >appreciated. Try making the first part of the command 'cat > /tmp/teststuff$$;' to insert the msg into a temporary file. Have the two subsequent command parts executing the archivers and taking their STDIN from the temporary file. Make the last part of the command 'rm /tmp/teststuff$$' to tidy up. Something like this might work: PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'cat > /tmp/teststuff$$; archiver-1-command %(listname)s-stuff < /tmp/teststuff$$; archiver-2-command %(listname)s-stuff < /tmp/teststuff$$; rm /tmp/teststuff$$' I think the temporary files are safe but caveat emptor ... >Cheers, > >Tobias > >-- >Tobias Eigen >Executive Director > >Kabissa - Space for change in Africa >http://www.kabissa.org > >TIME TO GET ONLINE >Internet Learning materials now online! >Go: http://www.ttgo.kabissa.org >Contact: ttgo at kabissa.org > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From jonas at freesources.org Tue Jun 17 21:36:17 2003 From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:36:17 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] external archiver second time In-Reply-To: <200306170740464.SM01784@phorce1-xp> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030616221443.03cec710@mail.openinfo.co.uk> <20030617115835.GC998@freesources.org> <200306170740464.SM01784@phorce1-xp> Message-ID: <20030617193616.GW998@freesources.org> On 17/06/2003 Gerald V. Livingston II wrote: > > if $actual_list has value "Argentina-Communicados" for example, > > $actual_list_lc will be "argentina-communicados", and $actual_list_id > > will have value "argentincommunic". > > What happens if an english speaking customer/friend creates another list on > your host called "Argentine-Communications"?? that would be bad, but i planned to check if this acronym already exists. anyway, after some more brainstorming i decided to through away the hole workaround and simply warn people in README.mailman at the debian package. for my personal problem, the longest list is 32 chars long, exactly the limit that lurker has set ;) so, thanks anyway, and remember me for the moment you get a brainstorm about how to to create (and find) unique ids. bye mejo -- Efficiency and progess is ours one more Now that we have the Neutron bomb It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030617/c5b070a4/attachment.pgp From tobias at kabissa.org Tue Jun 17 21:37:38 2003 From: tobias at kabissa.org (Tobias Eigen) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:37:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two commands in PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030617194613.032fa458@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030617194613.032fa458@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <1055878658.3eef6e02d4976@webmail.kabissa.org> Many, many thanks, Richard - that did the trick. Now I can continue with my testing and migration to FUD Forum. Best wishes, Tobias -- Tobias Eigen Executive Director Kabissa - Space for change in Africa http://www.kabissa.org TIME TO GET ONLINE Internet Learning materials now online! Go: http://www.ttgo.kabissa.org Contact: ttgo at kabissa.org Quoting Richard Barrett : > At 17:34 17/06/2003, Tobias Eigen wrote: > >Hi, > > > >While we're on the subject of PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER - has anyone > >successfully set it up to have two commands executed to generate two > external > >archives at the same time? I want to continue using mhonarc while also > >testing > >another system (FUD Forum). > > > >I realize this is probably a trivial question for some of you, but I've > been > >digging around quite a bit in Google and haven't found the answer. My > latest > >attempt is: > > > >PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '(/usr/bin/mhonarc -add -outdir > >/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s -rcfile > >/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/mhonarc.rc -htmlext html -idxfname > >index.html -title %(listname)s -reverse > >-spammode ; /usr/local/mailman/scripts/maillist.php > >%(listname)s\@lists.kabissa.org)' > > > >.. which runs the first one (mhonarc) correctly as usual and does also > >runs the > >second one (maillist.php). However, the second one does not seem to be > passed > >the message at all. > > > >I've tried a range of things based on the above - no luck. Any advice is > >appreciated. > > Try making the first part of the command 'cat > /tmp/teststuff$$;' to > insert the msg into a temporary file. Have the two subsequent command parts > executing the archivers and taking their STDIN from the temporary file. > Make the last part of the command 'rm /tmp/teststuff$$' to tidy up. > > Something like this might work: > > PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'cat > /tmp/teststuff$$; archiver-1-command > %(listname)s-stuff < /tmp/teststuff$$; archiver-2-command > %(listname)s-stuff < /tmp/teststuff$$; rm /tmp/teststuff$$' > > I think the temporary files are safe but caveat emptor ... > > > >Cheers, > > > >Tobias > > > >-- > >Tobias Eigen > >Executive Director > > > >Kabissa - Space for change in Africa > >http://www.kabissa.org > > > >TIME TO GET ONLINE > >Internet Learning materials now online! > >Go: http://www.ttgo.kabissa.org > >Contact: ttgo at kabissa.org > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ > >Mailman-Users mailing list > >Mailman-Users at python.org > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > >Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk > >Unsubscribe or change your options at > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett% 40openinfo.co.uk > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Richard Barrett > http://www.openinfo.co.uk > > From thomas at ifi.uio.no Tue Jun 17 21:42:34 2003 From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:42:34 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Script for CLI message approval and spam removal Message-ID: I'm posting a script for message approval via the shell, saving a lot of time otherwise spent on downloading web pages, typing passwords etc. The script is written by Kjetil Torgrim Homme , send comments if any to him. The script is designed to work with SpamAssassin and you can for example set the spam level you want for automatic discard. The script contains some UiO-specific code for retrieving the location of Mailman and list files. Thomas Gramstad thomas at ifi.uio.no -- #! /local/bin/perl5 # # listadmin version 2.00 # Written 2003 by Kjetil Torgrim Homme # Released into public domain. use HTML::TokeParser; use LWP::Simple; use Data::Dumper; use Term::ReadLine; use strict; my $term = new Term::ReadLine 'listadmin'; my $rc = $ENV{"HOME"}."/.listadmin.ini"; my $oldconf = $ENV{"HOME"}."/.listconf"; upgrade_config($oldconf, $rc); if (@ARGV >= 2 && $ARGV[0] eq "-f") { shift; $rc = shift; } if (@ARGV != 0) { print STDERR "Usage: $0 [-f CONFIGFILE]\n"; exit (64); } my $config = read_config ($rc); unless ($config) { exit (0) unless prompt_for_config ($rc); $config = read_config ($rc); } my ($info, $id, $subject); format STDOUT = From: @<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< $info->{$id}{"from"} Subject: ^<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< $subject ~~ ^<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< $subject Reason: @<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Spam? @<< $info->{$id}{"reason"}, $info->{$id}{"spamscore"} . my $prompt = 'Approve/Reject/Discard/Skip/view Body/view Full/Help/Quit/eXit'; for my $list (sort {$config->{$a}{"order"} <=> $config->{$b}{"order"}} keys %{$config}) { my $def = $config->{$list}{"default"}; my $spamlevel = $config->{$list}{"spamlevel"}; my $user = $config->{$list}{"user"}; my $pw = $config->{$list}{"password"}; print "fetching data for $list\n"; $info = get_list ($list, $user, $pw); my $num = 0; my $count = keys (%{$info}) - 1; my %change = (); my $listprompt = $prompt; $listprompt = $prompt . " [" . uc($def) . "]" if $def; $listprompt .= " ? "; msgloop: for $id (sort keys %{$info}) { next if $id eq "global"; ++$num; $subject = $info->{$id}{"subject"}; print "\n[$num/$count] ======= #$id of $list =======\n"; write; while (1) { my $ans; if ($spamlevel && $info->{$id}{"spamscore"} >= $spamlevel) { print "Automatically discarded as spam.\n"; $ans = "d"; } $ans ||= $config->{$list}{"action"}; $ans ||= $term->readline ($listprompt); $ans = "q" unless defined $ans; $ans = $def if $ans eq ""; $ans =~ s/\s+//g; $ans = lc $ans; last msgloop if $ans eq "q"; next msgloop if $ans eq "s"; if ($ans eq "a" || $ans eq "d") { $change{$id} = [ $ans ]; last; } elsif ($ans eq "r") { my $r = $term->readline ("Why do you reject? ", $info->{$id}{"rejreason"}); if ($r =~ /^\s*$/) { print "aborted\n"; next; } $change{$id} = [ "r", $r ]; last; } elsif ($ans eq "x") { %change = (); last msgloop; } elsif ($ans eq "f") { print $info->{$id}{"excerpt"}; } elsif ($ans eq "b") { my $text = $info->{$id}{"excerpt"}; $text =~ s/.*?\n\n//s; my @lines = split (/\n/, $text, 21); pop @lines; print join ("\n", @lines), "\n"; } elsif ($ans eq "") { # nothing. } else { print <<"end"; Choose one of the following actions by typing the corresponding letter and pressing Return. a Approve -- the message will be sent to all member of the list r Reject -- notify sender that the message was rejected d Discard -- throw message away, don't notify sender s Skip -- don't decide now, leave it for later b view Body -- display the first 20 lines of the message f view Full -- display the complete message, including headers q Quit -- go on to the next list x eXit -- go on to the next list, undo all actions chosen end print <<"end" if $def; The default action for this list when you only press Return is '$def' end } } } commit_changes ($list, $user, $pw, \%change, $info); } sub mailman_url { my ($list, $user, $pw) = @_; $pw =~ s/(\W)/sprintf("%%%02x", ord($1))/ge; my $args = "username=$user&adminpw=$pw"; my ($lp, $domain) = split ('@', $list); my $www; if ($domain eq "lister.ping.uio.no") { return "https://$domain/mailman/$domain/admindb/$lp?$args"; } elsif ($domain =~ /^(\w+)\.uio\.no$/) { $www = "$1-lists.uio.no"; } elsif ($domain eq "uio.no") { $www = "uio-lists.uio.no"; } else { $www = "lister.uio.no"; } return "http://$www/mailman/admindb/$list?$args"; } sub get_list { my ($list, $user, $pw) = @_; # where we gather all the information about pending messages my %data = (); my $page = get (mailman_url ($list, $user, $pw)); my $parse = HTML::TokeParser->new(\$page) || die; my ($from, $subject, $reason, $id, $tag, $excerpt, $spamscore, $rej); my $date; my $mailmanversion = 1; while ($parse->get_tag ("table")) { $parse->get_tag ("tr") || die; # From:_or_ at end $parse->get_tag ("td") || die; my $ver = $parse->get_trimmed_text ("/td") || die; last if $ver =~ /version/; $parse->get_tag ("td") || die; $from = $parse->get_trimmed_text("/td"); $parse->get_tag ("tr") || die $page; # Reason: $parse->get_tag ("td") || die; $parse->get_tag ("td") || die; $reason = $parse->get_trimmed_text("/td"); $parse->get_tag ("tr") || die; # Subject: $parse->get_tag ("td") || die; # the parsing just happens to fail here when the wrong # password is given... $parse->get_tag ("td") || die "Parse failed. Is your username and password correct?\n"; $subject = $parse->get_trimmed_text("/td"); $parse->get_tag ("tr") || die; # Action: $tag = $parse->get_tag ("input") || die; $id = $tag->[1]{"name"}; $parse->get_tag ("tr") || die; # Reject _or_ Preserve message $parse->get_tag ("td") || die; $parse->get_tag ("td") || die; $rej = $parse->get_trimmed_text("/td") || die; if ($rej =~ /Preserve message/) { $mailmanversion = 2; $parse->get_tag ("tr") || die; # forward $parse->get_tag ("tr") || die; # Reject $parse->get_tag ("td") || die; $parse->get_tag ("td") || die; $rej = $parse->get_trimmed_text("/td") || die; } $parse->get_tag ("tr") || die; # Message Excerpt _or_ Headers $parse->get_tag ("td") || die; $parse->get_tag ("td") || die; $excerpt = $parse->get_text("/td"); $excerpt =~ /^X-UiO-Spam-score: (s+)/m; $spamscore = length ($1 || ""); $excerpt =~ /^Date: (.*)$/m; $date = $1; if ($mailmanversion == 2) { $parse->get_tag ("tr") || die; # Message Excerpt $parse->get_tag ("td") || die; $parse->get_tag ("td") || die; $excerpt .= "\n" . $parse->get_text("/td"); } $parse->get_tag ("/table") || die; $data{$id} = { "from" => $from, "subject" => $subject, "date" => $date, "reason" => $reason, "spamscore" => $spamscore, "rejreason" => $rej, "excerpt" => $excerpt }; } if ($mailmanversion == 1) { $data{"global"}{"actions"} = { "a" => 0, "r" => 1, "d" => 2 }; } else { $data{"global"}{"actions"} = { "a" => 1, "r" => 2, "d" => 3 }; } return \%data; } # .listconf was the configuration file for the previous listadmin # script, which was written in Bash and simply sourced the file... sub upgrade_config { my ($conf, $rc) = @_; return if -f $rc; return unless -f $conf; print "Converting to new configuration file, $rc\n\n"; my $cmd = ". $conf; umask 077; > $rc ". <<'END'; (echo "# automatically converted from .listconf "; echo "# "; echo "username $LISTUSER "; echo "password \"$LISTPASS\" "; echo "spamlevel 12 "; echo "default discard "; echo "# uncomment the following to get a terse transaction log "; echo "# log \"~/.listadmin.log\" "; echo " " for l in $LISTS; do echo "$l "; done ) END system $cmd; } sub read_config { my ($file) = @_; my ($user, $pw, $spam, $list); my %conf = (); my $line = ""; my $action = ""; my $default = ""; my $count = 0; my $lineno = 0; my $logfile; my %act = ("approve" => "a", "discard" => "d", "reject" => "r", "skip" => "s", "none" => ""); return undef unless open (CONF, $file); while () { ++$lineno; chomp; s/\r$//; next if /^\s*#/; if (/\\$/) { $line = $`; # $PREFIX next; } $line .= $_; $line =~ s/^\s+//; next if /^$/; if ($line =~ /^username\s+/i) { $user = $'; # $POSTFIX $user =~ s/\s+$//; $user =~ s/^"(.*)"$/$1/; if ($user !~ /^[a-z0-9-]+\@[a-z0-9.-]+$/) { print STDERR "$file:$lineno: Illegal username: '$user'\n"; exit 1; } } elsif ($line =~ /^password\s+/i) { $pw = $'; # $POSTFIX $pw =~ s/\s+$//; if ($pw =~ /^"(.*)"$/) { $pw = $1; $pw =~ s/\\"/"/g; $pw =~ s/\\\\/\\/g; } } elsif ($line =~ /^spamlevel\s+/i) { $spam = $'; if ($spam =~ /^(\d+)\s*$/) { $spam = $1; } else { print STDERR "$file:$lineno: Illegal spamlevel value: '$spam'\n"; exit 1; } } elsif ($line =~ /^action\s+/i) { $action = $'; # $POSTFIX $action =~ s/^"(.*)"\s*/$1/; unless (defined $act{$action}) { print STDERR "$file:$lineno: Illegal action value: '$action'\n"; exit 1; } $action = $act{$action}; } elsif ($line =~ /^default\s+/i) { $default = $'; # $POSTFIX $default =~ s/^"(.*)"\s*/$1/; unless (defined $act{$default}) { print STDERR "$file:$lineno: Illegal default value: '$default'\n"; exit 1; } $default = $act{$default}; } elsif ($line =~ /^log\s+/i) { $logfile = $'; # $POSTFIX $logfile =~ s/^"(.*)"\s*/$1/; $logfile =~ s/\\"/"/g; $logfile =~ s/\\\\/\\/g; $logfile =~ s,^\$HOME/,$ENV{'HOME'}/,; $logfile =~ s,^~/,$ENV{'HOME'}/,; $logfile =~ s,^~(\w+)/,(getpwnam($1))[7]."/",e; if ($logfile =~ /^M:/i) { $logfile =~ s,\\,/,g; $logfile =~ s,^M:,$ENV{'HOME'},; } $logfile = undef if $logfile eq "none"; } elsif ($line =~ /^([^@ \t]+@[^@])+\s*/) { $conf{$line} = { "user" => $user, "password" => $pw, "spamlevel" => $spam, "action" => $action, "default" => $default, "logfile" => $logfile, "order" => ++$count, }; } else { print STDERR "$file:$lineno: Syntax error: '$line'\n"; exit 1; } $line = ""; } close (CONF); return \%conf; } sub prompt_for_config { my ($rc) = @_; print "No configuration file found: $rc\n"; my $ans = $term->readline ("Do you want to create one? [yes] "); print "\n"; if ($ans !~ /^\s*(|y|yes|j|ja)\s*$/i) { print "I take that as a no. Goodbye!\n"; return undef; } umask 077; unless (open (RC, ">$rc")) { print STDERR "$rc: $!\n"; return undef; } my $user = $term->readline ("Enter Mailman username: "); print "\n"; print RC "username $user\r\n"; my $pass = $term->readline ("Enter Mailman password (will appear on screen): "); print "\n"; $pass =~ s/"/\\"/g; print RC "password \"$pass\"\r\n"; print <readline ("What threshold do you want? [8]"); print "\n"; $spam =~ s/\s*//g; $spam ||= "8"; if ($spam =~ /^\d+$/) { print RC "spamlevel $spam\r\n"; } else { print "No automatic discard will be done.\n"; } my $extra = <readline ("> "); print "\n"; $list =~ s/\s*//g; print RC "$list\r\n" if $list; } while ($list); close (RC); print <{"global"}{"actions"}; for $id (keys %{$change}) { my ($what, $text) = @{$change->{$id}}; $url .= "&$id=" . $action->{$what}; $log .= sprintf ("%s D:[%s] F:[%s] S:[%s]\n", $what, $msgs->{$id}{"date"}, $msgs->{$id}{"from"}, $msgs->{$id}{"subject"}); if ($what == "r") { $text =~ s/(\W)/sprintf("%%%02x", ord($1))/ge; $url .= "&comment_$id=$text"; } ++$changes; } if ($changes) { my $opened; if ($logfile) { if (open (LOG, ">>$logfile")) { $opened = 1; print LOG $log; } else { print STDERR "WARNING: Failed to append to $logfile: $!\n"; } } get ($url); if ($opened) { print LOG "changes sent to server.\n"; close (LOG); } } } -- From sven.sternberger at desy.de Tue Jun 17 22:59:32 2003 From: sven.sternberger at desy.de (Sven Sternberger) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:59:32 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approve subscription via email! Message-ID: <3EEF8134.3000809@desy.de> Hello! I am a little bit surprised but I don't find (in the archives) a clear answer to the question. Is it possible to approve a subscription per email? In my version (gentoo 1.4/mailman 2.1.2) i couldn't find it. Is there a patch available? I couldn't find it in the TODO list of 3.0? bye! From mailinglist at ichilton.co.uk Tue Jun 17 22:32:23 2003 From: mailinglist at ichilton.co.uk (Ian Chilton) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:32:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer text added as attachment with rich text post Message-ID: <20030617203223.GC8905@roadrunner.ichilton.net> Hello, I have a list server running mailman v2.1.2 (was 2.1.1 but I just upgraded it) but my users are running Microsoft Outlook and use a mixture of Rich text/html for their mails :-( My problem is, rich text posts or mails with attachments seem to come through ok but the footer text that's added on the bottom of every post (from the non-digest options page) comes through as an attachment instead of part of the message, so it looks like this: [-- Attachment #1 --] [-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 0.1K --] test [-- Attachment #2 --] [-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 0.1K --] _______________________________________________ test mailing list Anyone seen this, know what's causing it or have it working properly? I have tried all kinds of differnet "Content Filtering" options but I just can't get it working. What I want is for text, rich text and html posts to work and come through the list as plain text and any attachments stripped out - anyone have this working? Thanks! --ian From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Tue Jun 17 23:39:38 2003 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Logging question... In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030617162806.05ab8a40@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> References: <2378.65.246.246.82.1055862854.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> <5.1.1.6.0.20030617162806.05ab8a40@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <3955.65.246.246.82.1055885978.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> Richard Barrett said: > Usually 0664 for the files in $prefix/logs but the best way to get this > right is by running '$prefix/bin/check_perms -f' as either root or the > mailman user. This makes sure the setgid bit on directories are also > correct. I usually stop mailmanctl and the local MTA while check_perms is > doing its fix thing. Hey Richard! Thanks for the reply :) I did the check_perms -f (twice for good measure), and it found nothing... But why would my logs be empty? Are there directives in mm_cfg.py that I'm missing, perchance? The only logs that have anything are bounce (that was back in May) and error.1.gz (which was an apachectl stop/startssl) Thanks! Glenn (an ls -l of /usr/local/mailman/logs:) -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 94981 May 8 21:13 bounce -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 3681 Jun 17 16:59 error -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 102 Jun 17 00:00 error.0.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1270 Jun 16 00:00 error.1.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 15 00:00 error.2.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 97 Jun 14 00:00 error.3.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 13 00:00 error.4.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 99 Jun 12 00:00 error.5.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 99 Jun 11 00:00 error.6.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 100 Jun 10 00:00 error.7.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 63 Jun 17 00:00 mischief -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 105 Jun 17 00:00 mischief.0.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 179 Jun 16 00:00 mischief.1.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 101 Jun 15 00:00 mischief.2.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 190 Jun 14 00:00 mischief.3.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 101 Jun 13 00:00 mischief.4.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 102 Jun 12 00:00 mischief.5.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 168 Jun 11 00:00 mischief.6.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 103 Jun 10 00:00 mischief.7.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 63 Jun 17 00:00 post -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 101 Jun 17 00:00 post.0.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 16 00:00 post.1.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 97 Jun 15 00:00 post.2.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 96 Jun 14 00:00 post.3.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 97 Jun 13 00:00 post.4.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 12 00:00 post.5.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 11 00:00 post.6.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 99 Jun 10 00:00 post.7.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 1056 Jun 17 16:59 qrunner -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 104 Jun 17 00:00 qrunner.0.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 101 Jun 16 00:00 qrunner.1.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 100 Jun 15 00:00 qrunner.2.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 99 Jun 14 00:00 qrunner.3.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 100 Jun 13 00:00 qrunner.4.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 101 Jun 12 00:00 qrunner.5.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 101 Jun 11 00:00 qrunner.6.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 102 Jun 10 00:00 qrunner.7.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 63 Jun 17 00:00 smtp -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 101 Jun 17 00:00 smtp.0.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 16 00:00 smtp.1.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 97 Jun 15 00:00 smtp.2.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 96 Jun 14 00:00 smtp.3.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 97 Jun 13 00:00 smtp.4.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 12 00:00 smtp.5.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 11 00:00 smtp.6.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 99 Jun 10 00:00 smtp.7.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman 63 Jun 17 00:01 subscribe -rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman 106 Jun 17 00:01 subscribe.0.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman 103 Jun 16 00:01 subscribe.1.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman 102 Jun 15 00:01 subscribe.2.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman 101 Jun 14 00:01 subscribe.3.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman 102 Jun 13 00:01 subscribe.4.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman 103 Jun 12 00:01 subscribe.5.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman 103 Jun 11 00:01 subscribe.6.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman 242 Jun 10 00:01 subscribe.7.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 63 Jun 17 00:01 vette -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 102 Jun 17 00:01 vette.0.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 99 Jun 16 00:01 vette.1.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 15 00:01 vette.2.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 97 Jun 14 00:01 vette.3.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 13 00:01 vette.4.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 99 Jun 12 00:01 vette.5.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 99 Jun 11 00:01 vette.6.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 100 Jun 10 00:01 vette.7.gz --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear "All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals"-Charge of the Goddess From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Jun 18 00:04:04 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:04:04 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Logging question... In-Reply-To: <3955.65.246.246.82.1055885978.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030617162806.05ab8a40@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> <2378.65.246.246.82.1055862854.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> <5.1.1.6.0.20030617162806.05ab8a40@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030617224822.03936988@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 22:39 17/06/2003, Glenn Sieb wrote: >Richard Barrett said: > > Usually 0664 for the files in $prefix/logs but the best way to get this > > right is by running '$prefix/bin/check_perms -f' as either root or the > > mailman user. This makes sure the setgid bit on directories are also > > correct. I usually stop mailmanctl and the local MTA while check_perms is > > doing its fix thing. > >Hey Richard! Thanks for the reply :) > >I did the check_perms -f (twice for good measure), and it found nothing... > >But why would my logs be empty? Are there directives in mm_cfg.py that I'm >missing, perchance? The only logs that have anything are bounce (that was >back in May) and error.1.gz (which was an apachectl stop/startssl) Glenn Looking at your listing for the logs directory, most of the files are not group writable. My guess is that is why not a whole lot is being written to them. I note that only the bounce, error and mischief logs are group writable and those seem have some contents. _All_ the files in my MM log directory have the following permissions: -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 72692 Jun 17 22:37 post and the logs directory has the following permissions drwxrwsr-x 3 mailman mailman 4608 Jun 17 00:45 logs I think the set gid on the directory keeps everything in order as log rotation is done. I confess I am surprised that check_perms did not find any problems. It may be worth setting the permissions by hand and seeing if that makes any difference. btw: what are you using to do your log rotation. Richard >Thanks! >Glenn > >(an ls -l of /usr/local/mailman/logs:) >-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 94981 May 8 21:13 bounce >-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 3681 Jun 17 16:59 error >-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 102 Jun 17 00:00 error.0.gz >-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1270 Jun 16 00:00 error.1.gz >-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 15 00:00 error.2.gz >-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 97 Jun 14 00:00 error.3.gz >-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 13 00:00 error.4.gz >-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 99 Jun 12 00:00 error.5.gz >-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 99 Jun 11 00:00 error.6.gz >-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 100 Jun 10 00:00 error.7.gz >-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 63 Jun 17 00:00 mischief >-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 105 Jun 17 00:00 mischief.0.gz >-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 179 Jun 16 00:00 mischief.1.gz >-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 101 Jun 15 00:00 mischief.2.gz >-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 190 Jun 14 00:00 mischief.3.gz >-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 101 Jun 13 00:00 mischief.4.gz >-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 102 Jun 12 00:00 mischief.5.gz >-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 168 Jun 11 00:00 mischief.6.gz >-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 103 Jun 10 00:00 mischief.7.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 63 Jun 17 00:00 post >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 101 Jun 17 00:00 post.0.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 16 00:00 post.1.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 97 Jun 15 00:00 post.2.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 96 Jun 14 00:00 post.3.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 97 Jun 13 00:00 post.4.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 12 00:00 post.5.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 11 00:00 post.6.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 99 Jun 10 00:00 post.7.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 1056 Jun 17 16:59 qrunner >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 104 Jun 17 00:00 qrunner.0.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 101 Jun 16 00:00 qrunner.1.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 100 Jun 15 00:00 qrunner.2.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 99 Jun 14 00:00 qrunner.3.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 100 Jun 13 00:00 qrunner.4.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 101 Jun 12 00:00 qrunner.5.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 101 Jun 11 00:00 qrunner.6.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 102 Jun 10 00:00 qrunner.7.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 63 Jun 17 00:00 smtp >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 101 Jun 17 00:00 smtp.0.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 16 00:00 smtp.1.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 97 Jun 15 00:00 smtp.2.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 96 Jun 14 00:00 smtp.3.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 97 Jun 13 00:00 smtp.4.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 12 00:00 smtp.5.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 11 00:00 smtp.6.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 99 Jun 10 00:00 smtp.7.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman 63 Jun 17 00:01 subscribe >-rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman 106 Jun 17 00:01 subscribe.0.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman 103 Jun 16 00:01 subscribe.1.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman 102 Jun 15 00:01 subscribe.2.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman 101 Jun 14 00:01 subscribe.3.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman 102 Jun 13 00:01 subscribe.4.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman 103 Jun 12 00:01 subscribe.5.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman 103 Jun 11 00:01 subscribe.6.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman 242 Jun 10 00:01 subscribe.7.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 63 Jun 17 00:01 vette >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 102 Jun 17 00:01 vette.0.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 99 Jun 16 00:01 vette.1.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 15 00:01 vette.2.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 97 Jun 14 00:01 vette.3.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 13 00:01 vette.4.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 99 Jun 12 00:01 vette.5.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 99 Jun 11 00:01 vette.6.gz >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 100 Jun 10 00:01 vette.7.gz > > >--- >The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author >(c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear >"All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals"-Charge of the Goddess ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Wed Jun 18 00:12:37 2003 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Logging question... In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030617224822.03936988@mail.openinfo.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030617162806.05ab8a40@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk><2378.65.246.2 46.82.1055862854.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org><5.1.1.6.0.20030617162806.0 5ab8a40@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030617224822.03936988@mail.openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <4483.65.246.246.82.1055887957.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> Richard Barrett said: > Looking at your listing for the logs directory, most of the files are not > group writable. My guess is that is why not a whole lot is being written > to them. Hmm. Good point. I just updated newsyslog.conf. I must have typo'd that :-/ > I note that only the bounce, error and mischief logs are group writable > and those seem have some contents. And coincidentially they had 664 in newsyslog.conf :-/ > and the logs directory has the following permissions > > drwxrwsr-x 3 mailman mailman 4608 Jun 17 00:45 logs So does mine.. > I think the set gid on the directory keeps everything in order as log > rotation is done. > > I confess I am surprised that check_perms did not find any problems. It > may be worth setting the permissions by hand and seeing if that makes any > difference. I just set them.. *crosses fingers* :) > btw: what are you using to do your log rotation. I'm using newsyslog, now with the following new entries: # Adding mailman logs # 1/3/2003, ges # Changed 6/17 due to screwup --ges /usr/local/mailman/logs/debug www:mailman 664 7 100 @T00 Z /usr/local/mailman/logs/digest mailman:mailman 664 7 100 @T00 Z /usr/local/mailman/logs/error mailman:mailman 664 7 100 @T00 Z /usr/local/mailman/logs/mischief mailman:mailman 664 7 100 @T00 Z /usr/local/mailman/logs/post mailman:mailman 664 7 100 @T00 Z /usr/local/mailman/logs/qrunner mailman:mailman 664 7 100 @T00 Z /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp mailman:mailman 664 7 100 @T00 Z /usr/local/mailman/logs/subscribe www:mailman 664 7 100 @T00 Z /usr/local/mailman/logs/vette mailman:mailman 664 7 100 @T00 Z Thanks! Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear "All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals"-Charge of the Goddess From prussell at mteliza.com.au Wed Jun 18 01:59:04 2003 From: prussell at mteliza.com.au (Peter Russell) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:59:04 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Red Hat 9 - Mailman not working out of the box Message-ID: Hi I am a bit of a Linux newbie, i have installed red hat 9 inc sendmail, apache and mailman. I got sendmail working easily and apache. Then i set up my first list and tried to email it, but all email goes to root. So i ran the newaliases and restarted sendmail, then i tried to restart mailman servcice, but i get an error. I have not changed any user accounts or groups from the default install, and i cant find the doco on the machine re mailman. I get the following error when trying to start the mailman service (as root from SSH console) Is there any other info i can provide to make assisting me easier? I am becoming quite desperate. (in regards to mailman :) Should mailman work out of the box on red hat, or is there a doco i can follow somwhere? Many thanks in advance Pete Executing /etc/rc.d/init.d/mailman restart .. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 524, in ? main() File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 319, in main check_privs() File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 274, in check_privs gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found the env command gives HOSTNAME=major SHELL=/bin/bash TERM=vt100 HISTSIZE=1000 USER=root LS_COLORS=no=00:fi=00:di=01;34:ln=01;36:pi=40;33:so=01;35:bd=40;33;01:cd=40;33;01:or=01;05;37;41:mi=01;05;37;41:ex=01;32: .cmd=01;32:*.exe=01;32:*.com=01;32:*.btm=01;32:*.bat=01;32:*.sh=01;32: *.csh=01;32:*.tar=01;31:*.tgz=01;31:*.arj=01;31:*.taz=01;31:*.lzh=01;31: *.zip=01;31:*.z=01;31:*.Z=01;31:*.gz=01;31:*.bz2=01;31:*.bz=01;31: *.tz=01;31:*.rpm=01;31:*.cpio=01;31:*.jpg=01;35:*.gif=01;35:*.bmp=01;35: *.xbm=01;35:*.xpm=01;35:*.png=01;35:*.tif=01;35: USERNAME=root MAIL=/var/spool/mail/root PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/X11R6/bin:/root/bin INPUTRC=/etc/inputrc PWD=/ LANG=en_US.UTF-8 SHLVL=1 HOME=/root BASH_ENV=/root/.bashrc LOGNAME=root LESSOPEN=|/usr/bin/lesspipe.sh %s G_BROKEN_FILENAMES=1 _=/bin/env OLDPWD=/var/mailman ===================================================== Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such a case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my employer shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. From prussell at mteliza.com.au Wed Jun 18 02:10:51 2003 From: prussell at mteliza.com.au (Peter Russell) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:10:51 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Red Hat not wokring out of the box Message-ID: Forgot to add the output of check_perms [root at major mailman]# bin/check_perms Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/check_perms", line 51, in ? MAILMAN_GID = grp.getgrnam(MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found ===================================================== Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such a case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my employer shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Jun 18 02:34:04 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:34:04 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Red Hat 9 - Mailman not working out of the box In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030618003403.GL1635@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Peter Russell wrote: > So i ran the newaliases and restarted sendmail, then i tried to restart > mailman servcice, but i get an error. You're burned by a bad mailman rpm shipped with Red Hat 9 (sometimes I wonder if they try to give mailman rpm's a bad name :). This has been covered here as recently as yesterday. http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=89695 > and i cant find the doco on the machine re mailman. Here's a nice rpm tip for finding documentation for a particular package: rpm -qd mailman This will show you all the documentation files included in the rpm. Handy to know. You should find the mailman docs in /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1 on Red Hat 9, AFAIK. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ The gods are too fond of a joke. -- Aristotle (384-322 BC) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD4DBQE+77N7uv+09NZUB1oRAsgHAKCotv7lIBsVwx4b00Z2eRX0Rg57/ACXQQi8 1ca8FqGqBHLql4b7WyesyQ== =YwP5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From prussell at mteliza.com.au Wed Jun 18 03:24:37 2003 From: prussell at mteliza.com.au (Peter Russell) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:24:37 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail Message-ID: Further to my previous post, i have been reading the Defaults.py and see a whole bunch of stuff about Sendmail. It seems like Sendmail isnt going to work out of the box with MM unless some changes are made? OR should i leave everything alone, and MM will send smtp email directly, without using sendmail and just use sendmail for inbound mail? This software is very confusing - is there a straight forward "this is how you make Mailman work in Red Hat 9" doco around anywhere, if i could follow sokme clear doco i could probably do this, but i cant even find any doco on red hat, either on the machine or on the website. SHould i be able to 1. INstall red hat - choose sendmail, apache and mailman RPMS 2. Bootup fresh - config sendmail, start apache, create a list and send and recieve list email? OR what are the steps to achieve this? Apprecaite ANY help Pete ===================================================== Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such a case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my employer shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. From prussell at mteliza.com.au Wed Jun 18 04:36:33 2003 From: prussell at mteliza.com.au (Peter Russell) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:36:33 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Red Hat 9 out of the box - nearly fixed! Message-ID: Thanks for the tip - - this is very fustrating - i hope some one can help me get this mailman going :) EDIT: while typing this email to you i rebooted the server (just having applied the fix below and thinking it hadnt worked), and now my Lotus Notes new mail icon popped up, and guess what, tons of test emails from my test mailing lists flooded in - its fixed! Getting mailman running (as a RH7.3+ majpordomo replacement) has taken 4 full days, 2.5 finding out that with sendmail on the trusted network and my domino smtp server on the optional our firewall, even with port 25 allowed, blocked a ton of esmtp commands preventing smtp mail. Then 1.5 days to find out that red hat gave me broken software, you get what you pay for :) THANKS HEAPS! for you help - without people like you lot Linux would not be an option for most of us. Thanks again Pete EDIT Crap! now the webadmin doesnt work :( I do a ls -l and see that files are owned by root:mailman - does this mean i should either change the MAILMAN_ESER=root or change the ownershop of those files to mailman? I am relunctant to make anymore changes until i know for sure, i dont wanna start going backwards. http://10.1.10.224/mailman/admin/ Bug in Mailman version 2.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 68, in run_main immediate=1) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 52, in __init__ Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 49, in __init__ self.__get_f() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 67, in __get_f 1) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/codecs.py", line 496, in open file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/log/mailman/error' Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 24 2003, 19:13:11) [GCC 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-4)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 Environment variables: |---------------------------> | Variable | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Value | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |HTTP_COOKIE | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |test+admin=2802000000696eb5ef3e732800000066353638343632393335363134353235613763376335613665373234383461643263613637653966;| |sid=2e0d984a196b3c58485117c40f601079; testing=1 | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |SCRIPT_FILENAME | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |/var/mailman/cgi-bin/admin | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |PYTHONPATH | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |/var/mailman | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |SERVER_SOFTWARE | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux) | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |SERVER_ADMIN | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |root at localhost | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |SCRIPT_NAME | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |/mailman/admin | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |SERVER_SIGNATURE | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |Apache/2.0.40 Server at 10.1.10.224 Port 80 | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |REQUEST_METHOD | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |GET | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |HTTP_HOST | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |10.1.10.224 | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |PATH_INFO | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |/ | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |SERVER_PROTOCOL | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |HTTP/1.1 | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |QUERY_STRING | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |REQUEST_URI | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |/mailman/admin/ | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |HTTP_ACCEPT | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |*/* | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |PATH_TRANSLATED | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |/var/www/html/ | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |HTTP_USER_AGENT | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; iOpus-I-M) | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |HTTP_CONNECTION | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |Keep-Alive | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |SERVER_NAME | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |10.1.10.224 | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |REMOTE_ADDR | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |10.1.10.91 | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |REMOTE_PORT | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |2344 | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |en-au | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |UNIQUE_ID | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |sA2KhH8AAAEAAAdvEcwAAAAE | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |SERVER_PORT | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |80 | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |GATEWAY_INTERFACE | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |CGI/1.1 | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |gzip, deflate | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |SERVER_ADDR | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |10.1.10.224 | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------> |DOCUMENT_ROOT | |---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |/var/www/html | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Someone posted that this is what they did to get that working.. I ran into this problem also. I believe I worked around it by setting MAILMAN_USER = 'mailman' MAILMAN_GROUP = 'mailman' in my /var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file. (There were other values I needed to customize in this file anyway.) The defaults in /var/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py should probably be changed from MAILMAN_USER = '' MAILMAN_GROUP = '' to the values above. Does this help any? ===================================================== Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such a case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my employer shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. From chad.mccan at bluevirtual.com Wed Jun 18 06:29:23 2003 From: chad.mccan at bluevirtual.com (Chad McCan) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:29:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan and Exim Problems! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <019b01c33552$31fcd730$230a010a@homexp01> Is anyone else have trouble with MailMan and Exim? I cannot get the headers or footers to be sent with the email? I have a longer list of issues, but I thought I would see if anyone has these same problems? Thank You, Chad McCan Blue Virtual Webhosting www.BlueVirtual.com From prussell at mteliza.com.au Wed Jun 18 06:59:00 2003 From: prussell at mteliza.com.au (Peter Russell) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:59:00 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Firewall Message-ID: Finally i have resolved all previous issues. Mail is being sent, recieved etc etc (the /var/log/mailman/error was chomd to 644 i change to 664 and web interface started working) Now i turned on iptables (no point having it on during testing) and now outbound mail is stuck in the sendmail queue with host map: lookup (xxxx.com.au): deferred If i turn iptables off all mail is sent instantly - i can recieve mail with it on or off, no problem. I would like to run off off, or poke a hole for the DNS lookup (i assume this is what it is?) but i dont knwo exactly what i need to do, does anyone how to turn off this feature in sendmail, or which port i should allow? i am happy to apply either as mine will be a fairly low volume list. Thanks in advance Pete ===================================================== Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such a case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my employer shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be Wed Jun 18 10:02:06 2003 From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:02:06 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi-language support Message-ID: <20030618080206.GA27158@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> Hey, Got my list up and running. I would like to enable multi-language support so that users can subscribe in their own language. I have some issues with this. - Is it possible to change the 'Introductory Description' depending on the language. - I edited html pages of the list (General list information page) but changes are not applied to the same page in the other languages. - Can I directly link to a language version of a page. So that users don't have to choose from the drop-down box. - It appears that some of the paragraphs are not translated. For example on the 'General list information page' the section subscribers is never translated. I would be more than happy to translate these. But where should I add my translation? Just not to break things. All this is on MailMan 2.1.1. Kindest regards, -Jeroen- -- Jeroen Valcke sst at belnet.be jeroen.valcke at belnet.be From testaccount at lieske-elektronik.de Wed Jun 18 15:26:46 2003 From: testaccount at lieske-elektronik.de (Kevin Moschallski) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:26:46 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Fetchmail +Amavis +Spamassassin Message-ID: <3EF06896.4020503@lieske-elektronik.de> Hi everyone, i installed mailman and its working fine, but only when i subscribe local. i added everything to my exim.conf and the mailman director is the first one. i run a mailinglist where people could subscribe when they send a email to reseller-subscribe at lieske-elektronik.de but lieske-elektronik.de is not my local domain so the mails are fetched with fetchmail and send to the local user lieske. the mail arrives in this mailbox but mailman subscribe doesent work. now i thought maybe this is because amavis or spamassassin rewrites the subject or sth. else. maybe sb. knows why. greets kevin From dene at ulmschneiders.com Fri Jun 13 15:37:20 2003 From: dene at ulmschneiders.com (Dene Ulmschneider) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:37:20 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] new unknown entries in LogWatch Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030613093314.00bb6278@192.168.1.112> Hi there all... I am running RHL 7.3 with Mailman version 2.0.13. I recently started getting the following entries in my log watch. They are time stamped for every minute of the day: Jun 17 19:55:00 neo CROND[1927]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner) Jun 17 19:56:00 neo CROND[1931]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner) Jun 17 19:57:01 neo CROND[1933]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner) Jun 17 19:58:00 neo CROND[1936]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner) Jun 17 19:59:00 neo CROND[1939]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner) And this line shows up for every 5 minutes: Jun 17 19:55:00 neo CROND[1928]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/gate_news) Can anyone shed some light on this? Any help would be appreciated. TIA Thank you, Dene Ulmschneider ------------------------------------------------------------------------ home: 718.322.6636 office: 718.738.8859 cell: 646.996.2976 email: dene at ulmschneiders.com pager mail: denenow at ulmschneiders.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Life is too short...-...you should have dessert first" -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Data Techie, and is believed to be clean. Data Techie... always there to protect you! http://www.datatechie.com From jdecarlo at mitre.org Wed Jun 18 15:46:36 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:46:36 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Fetchmail +Amavis +Spamassassin In-Reply-To: <3EF06896.4020503@lieske-elektronik.de> References: <3EF06896.4020503@lieske-elektronik.de> Message-ID: <3EF06D3C.1020500@mitre.org> Kevin, How are you getting the message from the local mailbox 'lieske' to Mailman? It expects the subscribe message to go to listname-request at ... Does the local user 'lieske' forward everything to 'reseller-request' or what? Thanks. Kevin Moschallski wrote: > Hi everyone, > > i installed mailman and its working fine, but only when i subscribe > local. i added everything to my exim.conf and the mailman director is > the first one. i run a mailinglist where people could subscribe when > they send a email to reseller-subscribe at lieske-elektronik.de but > lieske-elektronik.de is not my local domain so the mails are fetched > with fetchmail and send to the local user lieske. the mail arrives in > this mailbox but mailman subscribe doesent work. > > now i thought maybe this is because amavis or spamassassin rewrites the > subject or sth. else. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From testaccount at lieske-elektronik.de Wed Jun 18 15:58:45 2003 From: testaccount at lieske-elektronik.de (Kevin Moschallski) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:58:45 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Fetchmail +Amavis +Spamassassin In-Reply-To: <3EF06D3C.1020500@mitre.org> References: <3EF06896.4020503@lieske-elektronik.de> <3EF06D3C.1020500@mitre.org> Message-ID: <3EF07015.9030603@lieske-elektronik.de> No the users mailbox is for orders and other stuff there is no filter rules wich pipes it into mailman but i thought the exim director supposed to grep those messages. am i wrong with this? kevin John DeCarlo schrieb: > Kevin, > > How are you getting the message from the local mailbox 'lieske' to > Mailman? It expects the subscribe message to go to > listname-request at ... Does the local user 'lieske' forward everything > to 'reseller-request' or what? > > Thanks. > > Kevin Moschallski wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> i installed mailman and its working fine, but only when i subscribe >> local. i added everything to my exim.conf and the mailman director is >> the first one. i run a mailinglist where people could subscribe when >> they send a email to reseller-subscribe at lieske-elektronik.de but >> lieske-elektronik.de is not my local domain so the mails are fetched >> with fetchmail and send to the local user lieske. the mail arrives in >> this mailbox but mailman subscribe doesent work. >> >> now i thought maybe this is because amavis or spamassassin rewrites >> the subject or sth. else. > > From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be Wed Jun 18 15:58:40 2003 From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:58:40 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi-language support In-Reply-To: <20030618080206.GA27158@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> References: <20030618080206.GA27158@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> Message-ID: <20030618135840.GA28663@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 10:02:06AM +0200, Jeroen Valcke wrote: > - Can I directly link to a language version of a page. So that users > don't have to choose from the drop-down box. Apparantly, yes I can. Since it is just an ordinary form. http://lists.belnet.be/mailman/listinfo/biptvirusinfo?language= Regards, -Jeroen- -- Jeroen Valcke sst at belnet.be jeroen.valcke at belnet.be From wesley at terpstra.ca Tue Jun 17 20:12:43 2003 From: wesley at terpstra.ca (Wesley W. Terpstra) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:12:43 -0700 Subject: [Lurker-users] Re: [Mailman-Users] external archiver second time In-Reply-To: <20030617115835.GC998@freesources.org> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030616221443.03cec710@mail.openinfo.co.uk> <20030617115835.GC998@freesources.org> Message-ID: <20030617181243.GA26481@magicbane.bagofholding.com> On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 01:58:35PM +0200, Jonas Meurer wrote: > On 17/06/2003 Richard Barrett wrote: > > >i still have in my mm_cfg.py: > > >PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'lurker-index -l `lurker-list -c > > >/etc/lurker/lurker.conf | grep -B2 "^%(listname)s$"| head -n1` -m' > > > > It seems your trouble is with the fancy footwork you are trying to > > perform with lurker-list, grep and head to translate a > > mailman-proper-listname to a short-lurker-listname. > > mh, i don't like this workaround either. but it has to be: lurker > supports only 32 chars per listname, and max 16 is recommented. that is, > because lurker is using these names in urls, and long urls suck. > so, mailman itself has no listname limitation. how to get these two > paradoxes working together? only with an acronym of mailman listname for > lurker. so i create a (hopefully) unique acronym at creating lurker.conf > now every mail has to be imported to the list with it's acronym. > > > The efficiency of this seems to me to be fairly questionable, particularly > > when you consider the use of the short 'list' names is supposed to be an > > efficiency measure. I agree with Richard; this is too much work. Personally I would just not bother. If the user has more than 32 characters in a mailman mailing list name, just emit a warning on config generation and drop that list. This failure case is so rare that it makes no sense to execute all this shell hackery for all lists. The user can manually create a rule for the long lists if he is so inclined. Just document the warning and work-around. BTW, the short url is only one of the reasons I limit the length. =) > > Personally, if I thought it was worth the effort to have these > > abbrieviated list names I'd find a better method of doing that mapping > > than using grep. Indeed; I didn't really intend for lurker-list to be used in this manner. Besides, all list fields other than the id are not guaranteed to be unique anyways... > doesn't look so. when i set in mm_cfg.py: > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = "echo foobar" > mailman still grumbles: > ==> /var/log/mailman/error <== > Jun 17 13:26:59 2003 (1464) external archiver non-zero exit status: 1 > > so that seems not to be a problem of lurker. That convinces me, but I am biased. :-) I presume lurker-index is working outside of mailman? Does mailman set any child-enforced resource limits ala postfix? -- Wes From wesley at terpstra.ca Tue Jun 17 20:24:00 2003 From: wesley at terpstra.ca (Wesley W. Terpstra) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:24:00 -0700 Subject: [Lurker-users] [Mailman-Users] external archiver second time In-Reply-To: <20030617175156.GQ998@freesources.org> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030617142212.058dddd8@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> <20030617175156.GQ998@freesources.org> Message-ID: <20030617182400.GB26481@magicbane.bagofholding.com> On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 07:51:56PM +0200, Jonas Meurer wrote: > these examples both work for me too. so really no mailman error. if I set: > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/usr/bin/lurker-index -l imc-sysadmin -m > > /tmp/logs 2>&1' > > cat /tmp/logs gives: > opening database: Bad file descriptor > to lurker list: any suggestions? What happens if you run this command directly from the shell? It is possible I have bad error handling somewhere which is hiding the real error message... Could you maybe try: PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'strace /usr/bin/lurker-index -l imc-sysadmin -m > /tmp/logs 2>&1' ... so we can see what exactly lurker is doing? > /var/log/mailman/error gives: > Jun 17 19:42:58 2003 (5300) external archiver non-zero exit status: 1 > > if i try > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '|/usr/bin/lurker-index -l imc-sysadmin -m > /tmp/logs 2>&1' Is the | here perhaps in error? (I know nothing about mailman) PS. My CC to mailman lists fails because I am not subscribed, sorry. -- Wes From karaoh at everevolving.com Wed Jun 18 06:36:21 2003 From: karaoh at everevolving.com (kara oh) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:36:21 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A question Message-ID: <691B87DB-A146-11D7-B0CA-0050E490B24E@everevolving.com> Hi, I would like to know if your Mailman software will work on my Mac computer? I appreciate your answering my question as soon as it is convenient. Another question: I noticed in the Features section the following - Web based subscribing and unsubscribing, and user configuration management. Users can temporarily disable their accounts, select digest modes, hide their email addresses from other members, etc. Does that mean everyone on the list can see each other's email addresses? I suspect not but I thought I should check to be certain. Thank you, Kara Oh http://www.EverEvolving.com From paul at thcwd.com Wed Jun 18 18:49:57 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:49:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: new unknown entries in LogWatch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030618113455.036654f0@mail.thcwd.com> Mailman does it's stuff with cron jobs. I have no qrunner entries because 2.1.x does things a little differently, but those entries sound right for 2.0.x. For comparison, my yesterday's LogWatch for user mailman reads: /usr/local/bin/python2.2 -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs: 1 Time(s) /usr/local/bin/python2.2 -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled: 1 Time(s) /usr/local/bin/python2.2 -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news: 288 Time(s) /usr/local/bin/python2.2 -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip: 1 Time(s) /usr/local/bin/python2.2 -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests: 1 Time(s) Dene Ulmschneider wrote: >Hi there all... > >I am running RHL 7.3 with Mailman version 2.0.13. I recently started >getting the following entries in my log watch. They are time stamped for >every minute of the day: > >Jun 17 19:55:00 neo CROND[1927]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S >/var/mailman/cron/qrunner) >Jun 17 19:56:00 neo CROND[1931]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S >/var/mailman/cron/qrunner) >Jun 17 19:57:01 neo CROND[1933]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S >/var/mailman/cron/qrunner) >Jun 17 19:58:00 neo CROND[1936]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S >/var/mailman/cron/qrunner) >Jun 17 19:59:00 neo CROND[1939]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S >/var/mailman/cron/qrunner) > >And this line shows up for every 5 minutes: > >Jun 17 19:55:00 neo CROND[1928]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S >/var/mailman/cron/gate_news) > >Can anyone shed some light on this? Any help would be appreciated. TIA > > >Thank you, > >Dene Ulmschneider <>< Paul From jdecarlo at mitre.org Wed Jun 18 19:09:34 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:09:34 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Fetchmail +Amavis +Spamassassin In-Reply-To: <3EF07015.9030603@lieske-elektronik.de> References: <3EF06896.4020503@lieske-elektronik.de> <3EF06D3C.1020500@mitre.org> <3EF07015.9030603@lieske-elektronik.de> Message-ID: <3EF09CCE.2010505@mitre.org> Kevin, 1. Generally speaking, the MTA (in your case, Exim), does not do anything related to Mailman except direct incoming mail to Mailman for processing. This is where the MTA aliases come into play. I suppose it might be possible for Exim to see a "subscribe" message and send it to the appropriate listname-request address locally. Especially since you have only one list you are maintaining. I am sure you could get Exim to send the message two places: local user account so you can read and double check, and the reseller-request Mailman account so that Mailman can process the subscription request. 2. You definitely have to send commands to Mailman the right way, if you want Mailman to process them. There are, of course, a million ways to jury rig a system to work the way you want it, but I wouldn't recommend it. Far better to have Mailman handle subscribe messages the documented way. Kevin Moschallski wrote: > No the users mailbox is for orders and other stuff there is no filter > rules wich pipes it into mailman but i thought the exim director > supposed to grep those messages. > am i wrong with this? > > kevin > > > John DeCarlo schrieb: > >> Kevin, >> >> How are you getting the message from the local mailbox 'lieske' to >> Mailman? It expects the subscribe message to go to >> listname-request at ... Does the local user 'lieske' forward everything >> to 'reseller-request' or what? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Kevin Moschallski wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> i installed mailman and its working fine, but only when i subscribe >>> local. i added everything to my exim.conf and the mailman director is >>> the first one. i run a mailinglist where people could subscribe when >>> they send a email to reseller-subscribe at lieske-elektronik.de but >>> lieske-elektronik.de is not my local domain so the mails are fetched >>> with fetchmail and send to the local user lieske. the mail arrives in >>> this mailbox but mailman subscribe doesent work. >>> >>> now i thought maybe this is because amavis or spamassassin rewrites >>> the subject or sth. else. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From legg at frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu Wed Jun 18 20:40:32 2003 From: legg at frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu (Tim Legg) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:40:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] A question In-Reply-To: <691B87DB-A146-11D7-B0CA-0050E490B24E@everevolving.com> References: <691B87DB-A146-11D7-B0CA-0050E490B24E@everevolving.com> Message-ID: <20030618133643.O25391@frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu> Could you be a little more descriptive perhaps? What version of MacOS are you using? It is possible on MasOS X or above, http://maxo.captainnet.net/installs/mailman.html On Tue, 17 Jun 2003, kara oh wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to know if your Mailman software will work on my Mac > computer? I appreciate your answering my question as soon as it is > convenient. > > Another question: I noticed in the Features section the following - Web > based subscribing and unsubscribing, and user configuration management. > Users can temporarily disable their accounts, select digest modes, hide > their email addresses from other members, etc. Does that mean everyone > on the list can see each other's email addresses? I suspect not but I > thought I should check to be certain. > > Thank you, > Kara Oh > http://www.EverEvolving.com > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: legg at frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/legg%40frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu > From jlockard at umich.edu Wed Jun 18 20:58:57 2003 From: jlockard at umich.edu (John Lockard) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:58:57 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists of lists question... Message-ID: <20030618185857.GB12038@umich.edu> I have several lists that in best practice I'd like to remain hierarchical. Example: staff.all (all staff) staff.pt (PT staff) staff.ft (FT staff) I would prefer to add full time staff members to the staff.ft list only and part time staff members to the staff.pt list only, and have staff.pt and staff.ft be members of staff.all. I would like to have all of the staff lists be restricted so that only members of the staff lists (staff.pt and staff.ft) be able to post to any of the staff lists. I would prefer to not have to add a full time staff member to staff.all and staff.ft. To allow a full time staff member to post to staff.all I would like to be able to just add him/her to the staff.ft list and not have to add them to an "allow list" in staff.all. Is there a way (or an easy way) to do this with Mailman? -John -- --jlockard - "Gravity is a harsh mistress." - The Tick ------------------------------------------------------------------- John M. Lockard | U of Michigan - School of Information Sys Admin III | 400 West Hall - 550 E. University. Ave. jlockard at umich.edu | Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1092 www.umich.edu/~jlockard | 734-615-8776 | 734-764-2475 FAX ------------------------------------------------------------------- From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Jun 18 21:16:10 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:16:10 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists of lists question... In-Reply-To: <20030618185857.GB12038@umich.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030618201452.00ae0b08@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 19:58 18/06/2003, John Lockard wrote: >I have several lists that in best practice I'd like to >remain hierarchical. > >Example: > >staff.all (all staff) >staff.pt (PT staff) >staff.ft (FT staff) > >I would prefer to add full time staff members to the >staff.ft list only and part time staff members to the >staff.pt list only, and have staff.pt and staff.ft be >members of staff.all. I would like to have all of the >staff lists be restricted so that only members of the >staff lists (staff.pt and staff.ft) be able to post to >any of the staff lists. > >I would prefer to not have to add a full time staff >member to staff.all and staff.ft. To allow a full time >staff member to post to staff.all I would like to be >able to just add him/her to the staff.ft list and not >have to add them to an "allow list" in staff.all. > >Is there a way (or an easy way) to do this with Mailman? The following page in the Mailman FAQ might give you some useful hints: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.005.htp >-John > >-- >--jlockard - "Gravity is a harsh mistress." - The Tick >------------------------------------------------------------------- > John M. Lockard | U of Michigan - School of Information > Sys Admin III | 400 West Hall - 550 E. University. Ave. > jlockard at umich.edu | Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1092 > www.umich.edu/~jlockard | 734-615-8776 | 734-764-2475 FAX >------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From mrl at PSFC.MIT.EDU Wed Jun 18 22:42:06 2003 From: mrl at PSFC.MIT.EDU (Mark London) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:42:06 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman configuration question. Message-ID: <03061816420608.203afb8f.50120800@PSFC.MIT.EDU> Hi - I have 2 mailing lists. I want posts from mailing list A to be sent to mailing list B, both of which only allow postings from subscribers. The problem is, I don't want to have to add all the subscribers on mailing list A to mailing list B. Is there any way for mailing list B to automatically allow postings from mailing list A? The only solution I could find is to configure mailing list A so that in the outgoing mail, the poster's address is replaced in the header with the address of the mailing list, and to have this address subscribed to mailing list B. This is not ideal, as I want the original poster's address to be somewhere in the header, preferably in the Reply-To:. However, there, doesn't seem to be any way to keep the original Reply-To line, but to change the From: line. Any suggestions? Thanks. - Mark From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Wed Jun 18 22:47:34 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:47:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Red Hat 9 - Mailman not working out of the box In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030618204734.GF22684@hq.newdream.net> On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 09:59:04AM +1000, Peter Russell wrote: > Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If > you are not the addressee (or responsible for delivery of the message to > the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such > a case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by > reply e-mail. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message > that do not relate to the official business of my employer shall be > understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. Perhaps you should not post to a publicly archived mailing list if this is the case. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") From prussell at mteliza.com.au Thu Jun 19 00:00:40 2003 From: prussell at mteliza.com.au (Peter Russell) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:00:40 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Red Hat 9 - Mailman not working out of the box Message-ID: Yeah thanks. Is there a way to have mailman remove this text when it recieves mail for the list, we will be having mostly staff use our list and this just makes it dead messy. Pete |---------+--------------------------------------------------------> | | william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) | | | Sent by: | | | mailman-users-bounces+prussell=mteliza.com.au| | | @python.org | | | | | | | | | 19/06/2003 06:47 AM | | | | |---------+--------------------------------------------------------> >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: mailman-users at python.org | | cc: | | Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Red Hat 9 - Mailman not working out of the box | >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 09:59:04AM +1000, Peter Russell wrote: > Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If > you are not the addressee (or responsible for delivery of the message to > the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such > a case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by > reply e-mail. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message > that do not relate to the official business of my employer shall be > understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. Perhaps you should not post to a publicly archived mailing list if this is the case. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: prussell at mteliza.com.au Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/prussell%40mteliza.com.au ===================================================== Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such a case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my employer shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. From prussell at mteliza.com.au Thu Jun 19 00:02:32 2003 From: prussell at mteliza.com.au (Peter Russell) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:02:32 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Firewall Message-ID: Finally i have resolved all previous issues. Mail is being sent, recieved etc etc (the /var/log/mailman/error was chmod to 644 by default i changed it to 664 and web interface started working) Now i have turned on iptables (no point having it on during testing) and now outbound mail is stuck in the sendmail queue with host map: lookup (xxxx.com.au): deferred If i turn iptables off all mail is sent instantly - i can recieve mail with it on or off, no problem. I would like to run iptables on, and poke a hole for the DNS lookup (i assume this is what it is?) but i dont know exactly what i need to do, does anyone how to turn off this feature in sendmail, or which port i should allow in the firewall? i am happy to apply either as mine will be a fairly low volume list. Thanks in advance Pete ===================================================== Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such a case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my employer shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. From prussell at mteliza.com.au Thu Jun 19 00:23:03 2003 From: prussell at mteliza.com.au (Peter Russell) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:23:03 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Firewall Message-ID: Sorry fior sending so much email. But i have rectified this by allowing port 53 for DNS outbound - this is all new to me, so getting sendmail, tptables, red hat and mailman going this week has been a big challenge - and has resulted in tons of nagging people for help. thanks Pete |---------+--------------------------------------------------------> | | "Peter Russell" | | | Sent by: | | | mailman-users-bounces+prussell=mteliza.com.au| | | @python.org | | | | | | | | | 19/06/2003 08:02 AM | | | | |---------+--------------------------------------------------------> >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: | | cc: | | Subject: [Mailman-Users] Firewall | >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Finally i have resolved all previous issues. Mail is being sent, recieved etc etc (the /var/log/mailman/error was chmod to 644 by default i changed it to 664 and web interface started working) Now i have turned on iptables (no point having it on during testing) and now outbound mail is stuck in the sendmail queue with host map: lookup (xxxx.com.au): deferred If i turn iptables off all mail is sent instantly - i can recieve mail with it on or off, no problem. I would like to run iptables on, and poke a hole for the DNS lookup (i assume this is what it is?) but i dont know exactly what i need to do, does anyone how to turn off this feature in sendmail, or which port i should allow in the firewall? i am happy to apply either as mine will be a fairly low volume list. Thanks in advance Pete ===================================================== Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such a case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my employer shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: prussell at mteliza.com.au Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/prussell%40mteliza.com.au ===================================================== Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such a case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my employer shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. From saurav at sas.upenn.edu Thu Jun 19 06:04:48 2003 From: saurav at sas.upenn.edu (Saurav Pathak) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:04:48 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] pipermail configuration Message-ID: <20030619040448.GB20514@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> hi, how may i configure pipermail to munge email addresses to hide them from spambots? also, how do i munge addresses that appear on the mailman webpages (list admins, e.g)? thanks, -- saurav From rfk at eol.ca Thu Jun 19 07:32:57 2003 From: rfk at eol.ca (Robert F. Kennedy) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:32:57 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache should point to which folder? Message-ID: <000701c33624$3dceee40$1902a8c0@coilnetworks.com> Hello, I am attempting to set up several lists for the Toronto Shambhala Centre, a non-profit organization. I just installed Mailman 2.1.2 to a brand-new full install of RH Linux 8.0, fully updated. I did my best to follow all the instructions but I don't know what directory I should point the Apache server to or to which file. I have looked for index.html files and xxx.cgi files within the install directory but I can't find any cgi files and the only html files are for other purposes. I have the correct permission set on ~/mailman/cgi-bin. If this were a Majordomo install I could just use commands but the instructions for the next steps require access to the web interface. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Best, Robert From foobar at intter.net Thu Jun 19 08:36:12 2003 From: foobar at intter.net (foobar) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:36:12 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Excessive CPU usage [Looping read/close/mmap] (.db , .pck) (qfiles/out) Message-ID: <20030619091909.L28882@intter.net> Hi, Some strace: -- Opening that db -- open("/opt/mailman-2.1.2/qfiles/out/1055856935.2792439+c164823523573087c71ed0088b9beb1dcc0c9698.db", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 9 fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0660, st_size=2054, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40227000 read(9, "{s\4\0\0\0langs\2\0\0\0ens\10\0\0\0listnames\10"..., 4096) = 2054 close(9) = 0 munmap(0x40227000, 4096) = 0 unlink("/opt/mailman-2.1.2/qfiles/out/1055856935.2792439+c164823523573087c71ed0088b9beb1dcc0c9698.db") = 0 open("/opt/mailman-2.1.2/qfiles/out/1055856935.2792439+c164823523573087c71ed0088b9beb1dcc0c9698.pck", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 9 fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0660, st_size=7441, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40227000 read(9, "(cMailman.Message\nMessage\nq\1oq\2}"..., 4096) = 4096 read(9, "tor\" CONTENT=3D\"MS Exchange Serv"..., 4096) = 3345 unlink("/opt/mailman-2.1.2/qfiles/out/1055856935.2792439+c164823523573087c71ed0088b9beb1dcc0c9698.pck") = 0 close(9) = 0 munmap(0x40227000, 4096) = 0 --- Locale (Why do we need locale here?) --- stat64("/opt/mailman-2.1.2/messages/en_US.ISO8859-1/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", 0xbfffe9e0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat64("/opt/mailman-2.1.2/messages/en_US/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", 0xbfffe9e0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat64("/opt/mailman-2.1.2/messages/en.ISO8859-1/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", 0xbfffe9e0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat64("/opt/mailman-2.1.2/messages/en/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", 0xbfffe9e0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) gettimeofday({1056003211, 26430}, NULL) = 0 gettimeofday({1056003211, 26915}, NULL) = 0 umask(07) = 0 open("/opt/mailman-2.1.2/qfiles/out/1055856935.2792439+1a902a0f2890e7389ed4a8dbe1ec989202db8b15.pck", O_WRONLY|O_CRET|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 9 umask(0) = 07 fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0660, st_size=0, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40227000 write(9, "(cMailman.Message\nMessage\nq\1oq\2}"..., 4096) = 4096 write(9, "59-1\">\n: Recipient address rejected: Domain not found If yes, is there any workaround for this? Best regards, Veli Pirttila | ++Titus From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu Jun 19 09:33:53 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:33:53 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Excessive CPU usage [Looping read/close/mmap] (.db , .pck) (qfiles/out) In-Reply-To: <20030619091909.L28882@intter.net> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030619082958.00acf648@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 07:36 19/06/2003, foobar wrote: >Hi, > >Some strace: > >-- Opening that db -- > >open("/opt/mailman-2.1.2/qfiles/out/1055856935.2792439+c164823523573087c71ed0088b9beb1dcc0c9698.db", >O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 9 >fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0660, st_size=2054, ...}) = 0 >mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) >= 0x40227000 >read(9, "{s\4\0\0\0langs\2\0\0\0ens\10\0\0\0listnames\10"..., 4096) = 2054 >close(9) = 0 >munmap(0x40227000, 4096) = 0 >unlink("/opt/mailman-2.1.2/qfiles/out/1055856935.2792439+c164823523573087c71ed0088b9beb1dcc0c9698.db") >= 0 >open("/opt/mailman-2.1.2/qfiles/out/1055856935.2792439+c164823523573087c71ed0088b9beb1dcc0c9698.pck", >O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 9 >fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0660, st_size=7441, ...}) = 0 >mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) >= 0x40227000 >read(9, "(cMailman.Message\nMessage\nq\1oq\2}"..., 4096) = 4096 >read(9, "tor\" CONTENT=3D\"MS Exchange Serv"..., 4096) = 3345 >unlink("/opt/mailman-2.1.2/qfiles/out/1055856935.2792439+c164823523573087c71ed0088b9beb1dcc0c9698.pck") >= 0 >close(9) = 0 >munmap(0x40227000, 4096) = 0 > >--- Locale (Why do we need locale here?) --- > >stat64("/opt/mailman-2.1.2/messages/en_US.ISO8859-1/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", >0xbfffe9e0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) >stat64("/opt/mailman-2.1.2/messages/en_US/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", >0xbfffe9e0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) >stat64("/opt/mailman-2.1.2/messages/en.ISO8859-1/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", >0xbfffe9e0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) >stat64("/opt/mailman-2.1.2/messages/en/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", >0xbfffe9e0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) >gettimeofday({1056003211, 26430}, NULL) = 0 >gettimeofday({1056003211, 26915}, NULL) = 0 >umask(07) = 0 >open("/opt/mailman-2.1.2/qfiles/out/1055856935.2792439+1a902a0f2890e7389ed4a8dbe1ec989202db8b15.pck", >O_WRONLY|O_CRET|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 9 >umask(0) = 07 >fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0660, st_size=0, ...}) = 0 >mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) >= 0x40227000 >write(9, "(cMailman.Message\nMessage\nq\1oq\2}"..., 4096) = 4096 >write(9, "59-1\">\nclose(9) = 0 >munmap(0x40227000, 4096) = 0 >umask(07) = 0 >open("/opt/mailman-2.1.2/qfiles/out/1055856935.2792439+1a902a0f2890e7389ed4a8dbe1ec989202db8b15.db.tmp", >O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 9 >umask(0) = 07 >fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0660, st_size=0, ...}) = 0 >mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) >= 0x40227000 >write(9, "{s\4\0\0\0langs\2\0\0\0ens\10\0\0\0listnames\10"..., 2054) = >2054 >close(9) = 0 >munmap(0x40227000, 4096) = 0 >rename("/opt/mailman-2.1.2/qfiles/out/1055856935.2792439+1a902a0f2890e7389ed4a8dbe1ec989202db8b15.db.tmp", >"/opt/mailman-2.1.2/qfiles/out/1055856935.2792439+1a902a0f2890e7389ed4a8dbe1ec989202db8b15.db") >= 0 > >open("/opt/mailman-2.1.2/qfiles/out", >O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_LARGEFILE|O_DIRECTORY) = 9 >fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFDIR|S_ISGID|0770, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0 >fcntl64(9, F_SETFD, FD_CLOEXEC) = 0 >getdents64(0x9, 0x83f27c8, 0x1000, 0x1) = 224 >getdents64(0x9, 0x83f27c8, 0x1000, 0x838e718) = 0 >close(9) = 0 > >open("/opt/mailman-2.1.2/qfiles/out/1055856935.2792439+1a902a0f2890e7389ed4a8dbe1ec989202db8b15.db", >O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 9 >fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0660, st_size=2054, ...}) = 0 >mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) >= 0x40227000 >read(9, "{s\4\0\0\0langs\2\0\0\0ens\10\0\0\0listnames\10"..., 4096) = 2054 >close(9) = 0 >munmap(0x40227000, 4096) = 0 >unlink("/opt/mailman-2.1.2/qfiles/out/1055856935.2792439+1a902a0f2890e7389ed4a8dbe1ec989202db8b15.db") >= 0 >open("/opt/mailman-2.1.2/qfiles/out/1055856935.2792439+1a902a0f2890e7389ed4a8dbe1ec989202db8b15.pck", >O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 9 >fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0660, st_size=7441, ...}) = 0 >mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) >= 0x40227000 >read(9, "(cMailman.Message\nMessage\nq\1oq\2}"..., 4096) = 4096 > >Could you tell what is wrong, no messages are going currently out or in, >MTA is working properly and bounces were handled correctly. > > PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND >xxxxx mailman 25 0 6188 4848 2820 R 94,5 1,8 1192m python > >What _could_ cause this kind of looping? > >Mailman (see directory) version is 2.1.2 > >Could it be error 450 (I reject every delivery to non-existent domain): > >XXX XX XX:XX:XX 2003 (XXYYZZ) delivery to ff at ff failed with >code 450: : Recipient address rejected: Domain not >found Surely 450 indicates a transient failure which effectively invites the sender to try again. Maybe, if you return a 550 indicating permanent failure, Mailman will stop trying so hard. >If yes, is there any workaround for this? > >Best regards, >Veli Pirttila | ++Titus > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From gerhard at jasongeo.com Thu Jun 19 10:55:56 2003 From: gerhard at jasongeo.com (Gerhard den Hollander) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:55:56 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman becomes slow Message-ID: <20030619105556.T4656@hyperion.jason.nl> Im not sure what the cause is, but mailman deliveries have become really slow on my mailman server. For some reason, it may take a few hours for a mesage to be delivered through a mailman mailinglist. I notice that when delivering mail, python eats up a lot of CPU and quite a chunk of memory 10:55am up 38 days, 24 min, 2 users, load average: 2.00, 2.09, 1.97 103 processes: 94 sleeping, 6 running, 3 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 0.6% user, 0.0% system, 0.0% nice, 1.2% idle Mem: 514244K av, 509828K used, 4416K free, 0K shrd, 5256K buff Swap: 1028120K av, 225268K used, 802852K free 122568K cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 22037 root 15 0 276M 276M 52872 R 26.3 54.9 9:15 python Kind regards, -- Gerhard den Hollander Phone :+31-10.280.1515 ICT manager Direct:+31-10.280.1539 Jason Geosystems BV Fax :+31-10.280.1511 gdenhollander at jasongeo.com POBox 1573 visit us at http://www.jasongeo.com 3000 BN Rotterdam JASON.......#1 in Reservoir Characterization The Netherlands This e-mail and any attachment is/are intended solely for the named addressee(s) and may contain information that is confidential and privileged. From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Thu Jun 19 10:59:16 2003 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:59:16 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman becomes slow In-Reply-To: <20030619105556.T4656@hyperion.jason.nl> References: <20030619105556.T4656@hyperion.jason.nl> Message-ID: <20030619085916.GQ20416@charite.de> * Gerhard den Hollander : > Im not sure what the cause is, > but mailman deliveries have become really slow on my mailman server. What makes you think so? > For some reason, it may take a few hours for a mesage to be delivered > through a mailman mailinglist. Proof (Logs)? > I notice that when delivering mail, python eats up a lot of CPU and quite a > chunk of memory This doesn't seem to be normal. So: What has changed? -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 AIM: ralfpostfix From ashalabh at intersolutions.stpn.soft.net Thu Jun 19 11:54:48 2003 From: ashalabh at intersolutions.stpn.soft.net (Shalabh Agarwal) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:24:48 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not receiving mail Message-ID: Hi, I am new to Mailman. I have configured mailman over qmail. Every thing looks fine, when some-one subscribes the list he get the mail for the confirmation, but when the user replies nothing after that. When one send the mail on the list, it dose not broadcast to the list users. There must be some problem in the ~alias. Pls help me. I am stuck here. Regards Shalabh Agarwal From foobar at intter.net Thu Jun 19 12:28:40 2003 From: foobar at intter.net (foobar) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:28:40 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Excessive CPU usage [Looping read/close/mmap] (.db , .pck) (qfiles/out) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030619082958.00acf648@mail.openinfo.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030619082958.00acf648@mail.openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030619132013.T28882@intter.net> > >= 0x40227000 > >read(9, "(cMailman.Message\nMessage\nq\1oq\2}"..., 4096) = 4096 > > > >Could you tell what is wrong, no messages are going currently out or in, > >MTA is working properly and bounces were handled correctly. > > > > PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND > >xxxxx mailman 25 0 6188 4848 2820 R 94,5 1,8 1192m python > > > >What _could_ cause this kind of looping? > > > >Mailman (see directory) version is 2.1.2 > > > >Could it be error 450 (I reject every delivery to non-existent domain): > > > >XXX XX XX:XX:XX 2003 (XXYYZZ) delivery to ff at ff failed with > >code 450: : Recipient address rejected: Domain not > >found > > Surely 450 indicates a transient failure which effectively invites the > sender to try again. > > Maybe, if you return a 550 indicating permanent failure, Mailman will stop > trying so hard. > Hi, By that way I get troubles if there is temporary error with A/MX-records and if I throw away reject_unknown_recipient_domain users will not notice immediately that recipient is not correct :/ Is there any way that mailman could delete these mails when error happens after 5days and not re-sending in so high frequency.. this looping is kinda annoying (banging head against wall). Yes I could reply with 550 and mailman would delete these mails but what if we have temporarily A/MX records broken just and those would be fixed in few hours? And.. I just wonder why that process loops with read/close/mmap when there is actually no sending to be done (infinite read/close/open/rename/mmap-loop) while sending happens to be just every 4minutes or so. Best regards, Veli Pirttila | ++Titus From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu Jun 19 12:45:34 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:45:34 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Excessive CPU usage [Looping read/close/mmap] (.db , .pck) (qfiles/out) In-Reply-To: <20030619132013.T28882@intter.net> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030619082958.00acf648@mail.openinfo.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030619082958.00acf648@mail.openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030619114411.04c6b118@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 11:28 19/06/2003, foobar wrote: > > >= 0x40227000 > > >read(9, "(cMailman.Message\nMessage\nq\1oq\2}"..., 4096) = 4096 > > > > > >Could you tell what is wrong, no messages are going currently out or in, > > >MTA is working properly and bounces were handled correctly. > > > > > > PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND > > >xxxxx mailman 25 0 6188 4848 2820 R 94,5 1,8 1192m python > > > > > >What _could_ cause this kind of looping? > > > > > >Mailman (see directory) version is 2.1.2 > > > > > >Could it be error 450 (I reject every delivery to non-existent domain): > > > > > >XXX XX XX:XX:XX 2003 (XXYYZZ) delivery to ff at ff failed with > > >code 450: : Recipient address rejected: Domain not > > >found > > > > Surely 450 indicates a transient failure which effectively invites the > > sender to try again. > > > > Maybe, if you return a 550 indicating permanent failure, Mailman will stop > > trying so hard. > > Barry Warsaw did make a change in the CVS a short while ago to help deal with this class of problem. Take a look at: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mailman/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py >Hi, > >By that way I get troubles if there is temporary error with A/MX-records >and if I throw away reject_unknown_recipient_domain users will not notice >immediately that recipient is not correct :/ > >Is there any way that mailman could delete these mails when error happens >after 5days and not re-sending in so high frequency.. this looping is >kinda annoying (banging head against wall). Yes I could reply with 550 and >mailman would delete these mails but what if we have temporarily A/MX >records broken just and those would be fixed in few hours? > >And.. > >I just wonder why that process loops with read/close/mmap when there is >actually no sending to be done (infinite read/close/open/rename/mmap-loop) >while sending happens to be just every 4minutes or so. > >Best regards, >Veli Pirttila | ++Titus ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From Tobias_Mueller at twam.info Thu Jun 19 13:42:36 2003 From: Tobias_Mueller at twam.info (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Tobias_M=FCller?=) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:42:36 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List_URL in Mailman 2.1.2 Message-ID: <001001c33657$e14bc600$0a0aa8c0@mars> Hi, I upgraded to version 2.1.2 of mailman yesterday. In my old version (2.0.13) there was an var called list_url to change the start of all the urls which mailman sends in his emails. I can't find this var in 2.1.2. Where has it gone? Regards Tobias From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu Jun 19 15:30:37 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:30:37 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List_URL in Mailman 2.1.2 In-Reply-To: <001001c33657$e14bc600$0a0aa8c0@mars> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030619141808.0505a410@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 12:42 19/06/2003, Tobias M?ller wrote: >Hi, > >I upgraded to version 2.1.2 of mailman yesterday. In my old version >(2.0.13) there was an var called list_url to change the start of all the >urls which mailman sends in his emails. I can't find this var in 2.1.2. >Where has it gone? I've just grep'ed a MM 2.0.13 build directory and cannot fin the string list_url in any of the files. Where/how were you using this variable? Was it part of the standard MM code or added by some patch? As to 2.1.2, each mail list has an attribute web_page_url (also used in MM 2.0.13) and there are also the configuration variables DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN and PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL which are used by the MM code to generate URLs (including the per list web_page_url values). What are you trying to do/achieve? >Regards > Tobias ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From Tobias_Mueller at twam.info Thu Jun 19 15:38:09 2003 From: Tobias_Mueller at twam.info (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Tobias_M=FCller?=) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:38:09 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List_URL in Mailman 2.1.2 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030619141808.0505a410@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <001e01c33668$056f3a20$0a0aa8c0@mars> > I've just grep'ed a MM 2.0.13 build directory and cannot fin > the string > list_url in any of the files. Where/how were you using this > variable? Was > it part of the standard MM code or added by some patch? > > As to 2.1.2, each mail list has an attribute web_page_url > (also used in MM > 2.0.13) and there are also the configuration variables > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN > and PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL which are used by the MM code to generate URLs > (including the per list web_page_url values). You're right! I opened my old installation to look up how exactly the paramter was named: web_page_url (general): Base URL for Mailman web interface. The URL must end in a single "/". See also the details for an important warning when changing this value. > What are you trying to do/achieve? I want an custom webpage url for each mailing list. I think the web_page_url paramter is what I'm searching but I can't find it in the new web-interface! Regards Tobias From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu Jun 19 15:44:47 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:44:47 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List_URL in Mailman 2.1.2 In-Reply-To: <001e01c33668$056f3a20$0a0aa8c0@mars> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030619141808.0505a410@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030619143822.0507a008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 14:38 19/06/2003, Tobias M?ller wrote: > > I've just grep'ed a MM 2.0.13 build directory and cannot fin > > the string > > list_url in any of the files. Where/how were you using this > > variable? Was > > it part of the standard MM code or added by some patch? > > > > As to 2.1.2, each mail list has an attribute web_page_url > > (also used in MM > > 2.0.13) and there are also the configuration variables > > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN > > and PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL which are used by the MM code to generate URLs > > (including the per list web_page_url values). > >You're right! I opened my old installation to look up how exactly the >paramter was named: > >web_page_url (general): Base URL for Mailman web interface. The URL must >end in a single "/". See also the details for an important warning when >changing this value. > > > What are you trying to do/achieve? > >I want an custom webpage url for each mailing list. I think the >web_page_url paramter is what I'm searching but I can't find it in the >new web-interface! The ability to edit web_page_url via the web admin GUI for a list was removed in MM 2.1.2; reason was that if admin's got it wrong it screwed the list's web admin GUI and it could only be fixed from the command line, hence dangerous, hence removed. With MM 2.1.x you can modify web_page_url using the $prefix/bin/withlist script fix_url.py Just run the $prefix/bin/fix_url.py and it should print its usage. >Regards > Tobias ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From tobias at sc.edu Thu Jun 19 20:31:00 2003 From: tobias at sc.edu (Tobias Brasier) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:31:00 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Yahoo! Group Archive Conversion Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030619142742.02ee4328@localhost> Hi all-- Does anyone have experience converting Yahoo! Group archives to mailman archives? Many thanks. Tobias Brasier University Webmaster, University of South Carolina Manager, Internet Solutions Group 1244 Blossom Street, Columbia, South Carolina 29208 voice: 803-777-5211 | fax: 803-777-4149 tobias at sc.edu | http://isg.csd.sc.edu/~tobias/ From swayze at zontals.org Thu Jun 19 21:56:05 2003 From: swayze at zontals.org (swayze at zontals.org) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:56:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman is no longer posting messages. Message-ID: <2157.192.168.3.5.1056052565.squirrel@webmail.zontals.org> Hello, I've been an avid user of Mailman on my system for about six months now, and I've never had a problem with it until now. Out of the blue, Mailman simply stopped posting messages. There is nothing in the post log, and I there are no errors in the syslog. In fact, just looking at the syslog, the mail is passed to post with no problems at all. And before anybody mentions it, I haven't altered the cron jobs in any way. Can a brotha get a witness? -David Swayze From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Thu Jun 19 22:13:52 2003 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Yahoo! Group Archive Conversion In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030619142742.02ee4328@localhost> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030619142742.02ee4328@localhost> Message-ID: <1341.65.246.246.82.1056053632.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> Tobias Brasier said: > Does anyone have experience converting Yahoo! Group archives to mailman > archives? Many thanks. Yes yes! Do a google for Yahoo2mbox.pl! :) I converted a highly active list (about 200 subscribers, over a period of 6 years) to mbox format just peachy :) It does, however, consume time, and depending on the size of the list, may take a few days. B*B G. --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear "All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals"-Charge of the Goddess From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Fri Jun 20 00:14:56 2003 From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:14:56 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman is no longer posting messages In-Reply-To: <2157.192.168.3.5.1056052565.squirrel@webmail.zontals.org> References: <2157.192.168.3.5.1056052565.squirrel@webmail.zontals.org> Message-ID: <1056060540.1466.4.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> Can you send emails from the same box that mailman is on? Does the box accept email? These are tests that I would perform. Try sending email to a user on the system, and then try logging into the system, and sending mail elsewhere, and see what happens. On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 20:56, swayze at zontals.org wrote: > Hello, > > I've been an avid user of Mailman on my system for about six months now, > and I've never had a problem with it until now. Out of the blue, Mailman > simply stopped posting messages. There is nothing in the post log, and I > there are no errors in the syslog. In fact, just looking at the syslog, > the mail is passed to post with no problems at all > > And before anybody mentions it, I haven't altered the cron jobs in any way > > Can a brotha get a witness? > > -David Swayze > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/badmangabriel%40lycos.co.uk > > From juanen at metropoli2000.com Fri Jun 20 08:38:15 2003 From: juanen at metropoli2000.com (Juan Enrique =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F3mez?=) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:38:15 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman becomes slow In-Reply-To: <20030619085916.GQ20416@charite.de> References: <20030619105556.T4656@hyperion.jason.nl> <20030619085916.GQ20416@charite.de> Message-ID: <1056091088.23858.7.camel@amspoke> El jue, 19 de 06 de 2003 a las 10:59, Ralf Hildebrandt escribi?: I am having the same problem, but it occurs (at least i think so), with the bouncing processing. I have a list with around 140.000 subscribers, and when a bounce is received the mailman bouncing systems, seems to make sequential searches on this list database till it founds the address to be bounced, and it's veeeeeeeeeeeery slow, this doesnt happen in other lists. I have been thinking i make sublists, and a big umbrella list, do you think this can help? Thanks! > * Gerhard den Hollander : > > > Im not sure what the cause is, > > but mailman deliveries have become really slow on my mailman server. > > What makes you think so? > > > For some reason, it may take a few hours for a mesage to be delivered > > through a mailman mailinglist. > > Proof (Logs)? > > > I notice that when delivering mail, python eats up a lot of CPU and quite a > > chunk of memory > > This doesn't seem to be normal. > So: What has changed? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Juan Enrique Gomez Perez | CEO & CTO |Metropoli2000 Networks, S.L. | Phone: +34 914250023 Fax: +34 914250136 | email: juan.enrique.gomez at metropoli2000.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- PGP Fingerprint: 6B39 3A2B A17B 1E8E CFFD FC14 678E 0A22 BD80 C486 Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xBD80C486 If this message hasn't a correct signature please notify it to juanen at metropoli2000.com. To get the public key please use the above url. Thanks for your help. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030620/81b89f8f/attachment.pgp From rubish-heap at rogers.com Fri Jun 20 17:09:11 2003 From: rubish-heap at rogers.com (rubish-heap at rogers.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:09:11 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Subscriptions and setting passwords? Message-ID: <20030620150911.XRVQ171206.fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> I've been trying to setup a password minimized list in version 2.0.13 as per the instructions in FAQ 3.11, "How do I create a newsletter/announcement/one-way list?". Unfortunately, the FAQ doesn't seem to work (at least for 2.0.13) in that messages sent to -leave at dom.ain (properly modified for my list and domain) do not create a confirmation message for unsubscribing. To get around this, I've been attempting to create a list that uses a fixed password for everyone. When that is the case I can simply send a message with the password included in the body of the message ("unsubscribe wino at beer.com md2020"). So the real question that I want to mass subscribe my current users without sending out confirmation letters and setting their passwords. Anyone know how or if I can do this? From wash at wananchi.com Fri Jun 20 17:14:49 2003 From: wash at wananchi.com (ODHIAMBO Washington) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:14:49 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-2.1.1 + Virtual Hosting HOWTO - ARCHIVES. Message-ID: <20030620151449.GB50360@ns2.wananchi.com> Hello ALL, Since this question comes up every now and then, here is my contribution. Kindly add what you believe is needed, for the archives. Someone more experienced can comment/edit/update this HOWTO. I just went through the steps today and while it works for me, I am not guaranteeing it will work for everyone. I am running Mailman-2.1.1 on FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE (not important). I have Exim-4.20 and Apache-1.3.27. Here is how I did it: The installation of Apache to handle virtual hosts and the installation of Exim-4.x to handle the same is beyond the scope of this mini-HOWTO. #This is how to add virtual hosting to mailman. # 20030620 STEP 1. Edit the dns zone file for the domain name to have a suitable host for the virtual domain. The MX for this host should be mail.wananchi.com and longonot.wananchi.com, e.g. lists IN A 1.2.3.4 IN MX 10 mx1.domain.tld. IN MX 20 mx2.domain.tld. Increment the serial and then reload the zone. 1.2.3.4 here hosts Apache as well as the MTA. I did this because I have some virtual domains who host their own MX servers.... I therefore could override the mail handling for the list. STEP 2: Edit your MTAs relay maps add the FQDN you added above, e.g. lists.domain.name. STEP 3: Edit your Apache config to add a virtual host for the FQDN from (2) above. In my case I use an INCLUDE directive to incorporate a config file for VHosts alone. My sample VHost config is: ServerName lists.domain.tld ServerAdmin admin at domain.tld DocumentRoot /usr/local/mailman/lists/list-name ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/ With that I could access http://lists.domain.tld/mailman/admin/ I could not access http://lists.domain.tld/ - access was denied. Someone should comment on the correct way for this as I am sure I missed a point. STEP 4. COMPLETE THE FOLLOWING STEPS. (a) Open /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.pf for editing and append the FQDN from (2) above to the following entry. Please follow the format STRICTLY. VIRTUAL_HOSTS = {'lists.domain.tld':'lists.domain.tld', 'lists.domani2.org':'lists.domain2.org', 'lists.domain3.net':'lists.domain3.net', 'FQDN':'FQDN'} (b) Add an extra entry for the FQDN to the entries below add_virtualhost('lists.domain.tld','lists.domain.tld') add_virtualhost('lists.domain2..org','lists.domain2.org') add_virtualhost('lists.domain3.net','lists.domain3.net') add_virtualhost('FQDN','FQDN') NB: Here again I was not quite sure I needed both steps (a) and (b), but hey I said it works for me. Please modify this if you know what is better. STEP 5: Run the following commands. (a) /usr/local/mailman/bin/newlist list-name at FQDN Answer the questions prompted carefully. Take note of the answers you give. They will be needed later. You are warned. (b) /usr/local/mailman/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url list-name -u FQDN -v NB: Change the paths to reflect yours. That is how I did it. Comments on any suitable changes I need to make are welcome. cheers - wash +----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE) | http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/ . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St., | GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI | +---------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post From eric.miller at padtinc.com Fri Jun 20 20:45:15 2003 From: eric.miller at padtinc.com (Eric Miller) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:45:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on Mailman, Next Steps? Message-ID: Dear all, We moved our mailman list over from yahoo to my server this week. No a painless move but it went OK. (This is some pretty good software!) My big issue is performance. Our list has 2300 subscribers and we do about 20 to 50 e-mails a day, nothing too big. Messages were taking 3 to 4 hours to be sent. I went through the FAQ on performance and have done the following to get down to 30 to 90 minutes: 1: Put in a DNS server on my machine with caching (pdnsd) 2: Used the following mailman settings: DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 3 SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 100 3: Turned off the logging Some other facts: a: I'm running RedHat 9 Linux b: We are getting lots of bounces: 258 have been put on hold because they went over their bounce score c: I'm using a 2+GHz AMD machine. Lots of horse power and it seems like I'm not using much. CPU is sitting at between 5% and 10% So, my obvious questions are: I: Any suggestions on my mm_cfg.py settings? II: Anything else you can recommend? III: My assumption is that since I'm using SMTPDirect it doesn't matter if I use the default stuff that comes with Redhat or should I load something better? IV: Is it the bounces that are my problem? Thank you in advance for any advice! Eric ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Miller Director: Support, Training & Development Phoenix Analysis & Design Technologies (480) 813-4884, x103 www.padtinc.com From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Fri Jun 20 21:15:19 2003 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:15:19 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on Mailman, Next Steps? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030620191519.GB6536@charite.de> * Eric Miller : > 1: Put in a DNS server on my machine with caching (pdnsd) Good > 2: Used the following mailman settings: > DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' > SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 3 INCREASE that! SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500 -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 AIM: ralfpostfix From aalonso at uncoma.edu.ar Thu Jun 19 18:17:32 2003 From: aalonso at uncoma.edu.ar (Ana Carolina Alonso) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:17:32 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Autentication and problem Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20030619131121.00a17af0@pop3.uncoma.edu.ar> Hello! I'm a mailman user, I had installed and configured a lot of lists in my machine. I have a problem with one list, when somebody send a mail to the list some times some persons (who has subscript to the list) dosn`t receive the mail, I don`t undertand why happend, Which is the way to view which mails had reveived each person? Another question: when I go to http://mail.python.org/mailman/roster/mailman-users and I want to access to some address the password is requerid, who set this option for my lists? Sorry for my english. Thanks in advance. Ana From gmalsack at classic.net Thu Jun 19 20:20:10 2003 From: gmalsack at classic.net (Gregory Malsack) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:20:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix difficulties Message-ID: <000001c3368f$6e892210$0200000a@greg> I installed a red hat rpm of the mailman software. However it didn't include the genaliases script. I am having difficulties posting to the list. It works fine if I use the post cmd in the script directory. What do I need to do to link postfix to mailman lists? Thank You, Gregory Malsack Classic Services From webmaster at electrocities.com Thu Jun 19 22:38:09 2003 From: webmaster at electrocities.com (Chuck Walker) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:38:09 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question Message-ID: <011001c336a2$b2852d20$fd97a544@electrocities.com> I am new to Mailman and was wondering if there is an email command to subscribe? For example, on Yahoo Groups you can send a blank email to mylist-subscribe at yahoogroups.com Does Mailman have a similar feature? Chuck From axel at loewenet.org Fri Jun 20 12:48:17 2003 From: axel at loewenet.org (Axel Loewe) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:48:17 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman sent mails more than one time Message-ID: <3EF2E671.70103@loewenet.org> hi out there, i encountered a problem with mailman after a long time of successful use. i created a new list with about 113000 users from a textfile and sent a mail to the list. after some time, i noticed that mailman delivers the mail to the mta (postfix) more than one time for some users. additionally, it made pauses of some minutes each time when it sent out an amount of mails. mailman is configured in a way, that i have to approve every mail before it is delivered to the mta and i'm sure that i approved this mail only one time. an other point is that list_members shows these addresses only one time, too. i don't no what i did wrong, espacially because mailman worked great for me for a long time. do you have any ideas or suggestions? yours axel From avalon at users.sourceforge.net Fri Jun 20 18:44:01 2003 From: avalon at users.sourceforge.net (Daniel Buchmann) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:44:01 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/mailmanctl start Message-ID: <1056127405.25485.6.camel@fornax.hjemme.bibsys.no> Another solution for the broken python in the Mandrake distro, is: [user at host ~]$ export PYTHONHOME=/usr [user at host ~]$ mailmanctl start (for those that don't want to compile python from source) :) On Wed, 2003-05-28 at 18:26, Vince LaMonica wrote: > On Sunday, May 25, 2003, at 09:05 AM, Jon Carnes wrote: > > > Try installing every rpm from your distribution that has "python" in > > it. For Mandrake 9.1 I posted a message last month that pointed to all > > the rpm's that needed to be loaded. Mdk 9.0 probably has similar > > requirements. > > FWIW, I had the same problem [mdk 9.1, mailman 2.1.2]. I was not able > to get mailmanctl to run using the RPMs listed in that e.mail. I have > python installed via RPM, and that is/was my problem. I did not remove > the python [2.2.2] RPM, since it would break other stuff, however, i > simply compiled python from source, installing it into /usr/local/bin, > and then made sure that when I compiled Mailman, I pointed it to the > non-RPM install of python 2.2.2. I also changed my mm_cfg.py to make > sure it uses the /usr/local/bin version of python. > > Also note, I was on Mandrake 8.2, with Mailman 2.1.1 [source compile]. > When I upgraded to 9.1, I decided to also upgrade to 2.1.2 of mailman. > After the initial problem, I removed all traces of mailman 2.1.2 and > tried installing 2.1.1 on my 9.1 box, and it failed for the same reason. > > Compiling python from source was quite simple, as the only thing one > needs to make sure of is that it will be built in a /usr/local/* > directory structure so that it doesn't break any applications in > Mandrake 9.1 that need the python RPM install. > > HTH, > > /vjl/ -- Daniel Buchmann From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sat Jun 21 11:14:41 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:14:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-2.1.1 + Virtual Hosting HOWTO - ARCHIVES. In-Reply-To: <20030620151449.GB50360@ns2.wananchi.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030621095439.00adc770@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 16:14 20/06/2003, ODHIAMBO Washington wrote: >Hello ALL, > >Since this question comes up every now and then, here is my contribution. >Kindly add what you believe is needed, for the archives. > > >Someone more experienced can comment/edit/update this HOWTO. I just went >through >the steps today and while it works for me, I am not guaranteeing it will work >for everyone. > >I am running Mailman-2.1.1 on FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE (not important). I have >Exim-4.20 >and Apache-1.3.27. > >Here is how I did it: > >The installation of Apache to handle virtual hosts and the installation of >Exim-4.x >to handle the same is beyond the scope of this mini-HOWTO. > > >#This is how to add virtual hosting to mailman. ># 20030620 > >STEP 1. Edit the dns zone file for the domain name to have a suitable host for > the virtual domain. The MX for this host should be > mail.wananchi.com and > longonot.wananchi.com, e.g. > > > lists IN A 1.2.3.4 > IN MX 10 mx1.domain.tld. > IN MX 20 mx2.domain.tld. > > Increment the serial and then reload the zone. 1.2.3.4 here hosts > Apache as > well as the MTA. I did this because I have some virtual domains > who host their > own MX servers.... I therefore could override the mail handling > for the list. > >STEP 2: > > Edit your MTAs relay maps add the FQDN you added above, e.g. > lists.domain.name. > >STEP 3: > > Edit your Apache config to add a virtual host for the FQDN from (2) > above. In my > case I use an INCLUDE directive to incorporate a config file for > VHosts alone. > My sample VHost config is: > > > ServerName lists.domain.tld > ServerAdmin admin at domain.tld > DocumentRoot /usr/local/mailman/lists/list-name > ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ > Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/ > > >With that I could access http://lists.domain.tld/mailman/admin/ > >I could not access http://lists.domain.tld/ - access was denied. Someone >should >comment on the correct way for this as I am sure I missed a point. Probably because there is no index.html file in /usr/local/mailman/lists/list-name DocumentRoot (I assume listname in this path is a placeholder for some concrete list's name) and the files in there are typically not other readable and even if they were you would not want to publish them through your web server.. I find your choice of DocumentRoot for the virtual host confusing as this is what the / URI will resolve to. If you are only publishing MM stuff through the virtual host then I would use a rewrite rule like this: RewriteRule ^(|/(|index.html|(pipermail|mailman)(|/)))$ /mailman/listinfo [PT] so that any URI at or above /mailman/ or /pipermail/ gets handled as request for the URI /mailman/listinfo >STEP 4. COMPLETE THE FOLLOWING STEPS. > (a) Open /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.pf for editing and append > the FQDN from (2) above to the following entry. Please follow the > format STRICTLY. > > VIRTUAL_HOSTS = {'lists.domain.tld':'lists.domain.tld', > 'lists.domani2.org':'lists.domain2.org', > 'lists.domain3.net':'lists.domain3.net', > 'FQDN':'FQDN'} > > (b) Add an extra entry for the FQDN to the entries below > >add_virtualhost('lists.domain.tld','lists.domain.tld') >add_virtualhost('lists.domain2..org','lists.domain2.org') >add_virtualhost('lists.domain3.net','lists.domain3.net') >add_virtualhost('FQDN','FQDN') > >NB: Here again I was not quite sure I needed both steps (a) and (b), but hey > I said it works for me. Please modify this if you know what is better. > > > >STEP 5: Run the following commands. > >(a) /usr/local/mailman/bin/newlist list-name at FQDN > Answer the questions prompted carefully. Take note of the answers you > give. > They will be needed later. You are warned. > >(b) /usr/local/mailman/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url list-name -u FQDN -v > > >NB: Change the paths to reflect yours. > > >That is how I did it. > >Comments on any suitable changes I need to make are welcome. > > > > cheers > - wash >+----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ >Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE) | >http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/ . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St., | >GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI | >+---------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ >"Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From mark at symonds.net Sat Jun 21 12:29:29 2003 From: mark at symonds.net (Mark Symonds) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 03:29:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <007d01c337df$ff09e8a0$4801a8c0@mark> Hello, Had mailman working wonderfully here until three days ago, when a larger list (just over 2500 users) ceased functioning and I noticed the load average was through the roof (usually it's very low): [root at tx exim]# w 1:24pm up 387 days, 2:26, 1 user, load average: 4.21, 4.29, 4.24 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT mark pts/0 ca1.symonds.net 1:19pm 0.00s 0.28s 0.01s w [root at tx exim]# ps auxw |grep python mailman 6751 23.9 2.4 66712 12372 ? R Jun19 534:48 /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner mailman 21895 24.8 2.6 62840 13608 ? R Jun19 404:09 /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner mailman 3114 25.1 9.2 61756 46716 ? R Jun19 258:03 /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner mailman 16755 24.5 11.2 61592 56844 ? R 06:18 104:49 /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner root 25531 0.0 0.1 1716 596 pts/0 S 13:24 0:00 grep python [root at tx exim]# ...read FAQ 4.19, killed the qrunner processes and removed the lockfiles. Still no joy: [root at tx Mailman]# w 4:44am up 387 days, 17:46, 1 user, load average: 1.08, 1.07, 1.26 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT mark pts/1 ca1.symonds.net 4:37am 0.00s 0.24s 0.02s w [root at tx Mailman]# ps auxw |grep python root 11804 96.9 11.3 59256 57492 ? R 03:59 43:54 python ./qrunner In the logs: [root at tx mailman]# tail qrunner Jun 21 06:08:03 2003 (15197) Could not acquire qrunner lock Jun 21 06:09:02 2003 (15209) Could not acquire qrunner lock Jun 21 06:10:01 2003 (15217) Could not acquire qrunner lock Jun 21 06:11:03 2003 (15240) Could not acquire qrunner lock Jun 21 06:12:02 2003 (15252) Could not acquire qrunner lock Jun 21 06:13:02 2003 (15265) Could not acquire qrunner lock Jun 21 06:14:02 2003 (15274) Could not acquire qrunner lock Jun 21 06:15:02 2003 (15294) Could not acquire qrunner lock Jun 21 06:16:02 2003 (15307) Could not acquire qrunner lock Jun 21 06:17:01 2003 (15319) Could not acquire qrunner lock [...ad infinitum...] Also during this time: * Trying to subscribe via the mailing list web page, upon clicking the "subscribe" button it hangs at the page until the browser times out. * Same thing when trying to auth via the admin web page. * This is the only broken list on that machine. The rest are functioning normally in all respects. * I thought perhaps someone had changed the domain preferences for the list? Checked it with config_list and it is correct. Also ran check_db and check_perms, both report all's OK. Exim 4, RedHat 7.0, Mailman 2.0.13. Ideas? Sincerely, -- Mark Symonds mark at symonds.net From pug at pug.net Sat Jun 21 15:55:18 2003 From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 08:55:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.2 Multipart/mixed issues in Pipermail archives... Message-ID: <20030621085518.B3935@stardock.pug.net> Good Morning, I couldn't find a bug report on this nor did I find a solution in the archives, but I somtimes don't do proper searches. I did see references to similar issues on the developers list, but nothing with regards to the archives nor a solution. We are having problems with mailing lists that are not being properly stripped down to text content in the archives. When there is multipart/mixed, it doesn't pull the multipart/alternative sections into their appropriate text portions. For example, from content such as the following: ============================================================================== >From ... [...] Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary [...] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C336A1.2C7564BC" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------_=_NextPart_001_01C336A1.2C7564BC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kevin has a pending checkin that addresses the minss/maxss issue. =20 [...] ------_=_NextPart_001_01C336A1.2C7564BC Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message= [...] ============================================================================== I only get the following: ============================================================================== [64bit-compiler-analysis] RE: vpr analysis Syyyy Kyyyyy syyyk at yyy.com Thu Jun 19 14:27:16 CDT 2003 Previous message: [64bit-compiler-analysis] 06-19-03 MSFT 64-Bit C/C++ compiler improvement discussion Next message: [64bit-compiler-analysis] RE: vpr analysis Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skipped content of type multipart/alternative -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Previous message: [64bit-compiler-analysis] 06-19-03 MSFT 64-Bit C/C++ compiler improvement discussion Next message: [64bit-compiler-analysis] RE: vpr analysis Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More information about the 64bit-compiler-analysis mailing list ============================================================================== As you can see, the actual content of the multipart/alternative portion [text/plain and text/html] were completely stripped out instead of being shown a plain text. Ciao, -- Pug Bainter | AMD, Inc. System Engineer, MTS | Mail Stop 625 Pug.Bainter at amd.com | pug at pug.net | 5900 E. Ben White Blvd Phone: (512) 602-0364 | Fax: (512) 602-6970 | Austin, TX 78741 Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter. From pug at pug.net Sat Jun 21 15:55:43 2003 From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 08:55:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Formatting archives that don't have newlines... In-Reply-To: <20030513100929.A7631@stardock.pug.net>; from pug@pug.net on Tue, May 13, 2003 at 10:09:29AM -0500 References: <20030513100929.A7631@stardock.pug.net> Message-ID: <20030621085543.C3935@stardock.pug.net> I never heard anything on this. Does anyone have a clue? Pug Bainter (pug at pug.net) said something that sounded like: > Good Morning, > > I tried looking through the patches, bugs and FAQs for this, but > either couldn't find it or didn't know the magic phrase to use. > > I have a problem (mostly with M$ Outlook users) that when a user > sends a message without newlines in it (because their email client > auto-displays it "properly" for them), the message gets stored just > like this in the archives as expected. The problem is that when the > message gets pulled up in the webpages, they will appear as one long > line instead of being formatted to the size of the browser width. > > Is there any solution for this at this time? > > Thanks! > > Ciao, > > -- > Pug Bainter | AMD, Inc. > System Engineer, MTS | Mail Stop 625 > Pug.Bainter at amd.com | pug at pug.net | 5900 E. Ben White Blvd > Phone: (512) 602-0364 | Fax: (512) 602-6970 | Austin, TX 78741 > Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter. From scot at linuxfromscratch.org Sat Jun 21 19:50:28 2003 From: scot at linuxfromscratch.org (Scot Mc Pherson) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 13:50:28 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting from Listar (old ecartis) to mailman Message-ID: <200306211350.28258.scot@linuxfromscratch.org> Cna someone please direct me to where I can find informatino on how to convert user lists and archives into mailman format from listar/ecartis format? Our lists are archived as listar queue files found in $prefix/queue/* We are covnerting to mailman, and have it up and running, but would very much like to convert our archives. And would like to convert our user subscriptions rather than adding the thousands of them by hand. Thx fr any help and direction. -- Scot Mc Pherson Linux From Scratch http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~scot/ From ContactMe at David-lamotte.net Sat Jun 21 10:15:01 2003 From: ContactMe at David-lamotte.net (David Lamotte) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:15:01 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Yahoo! Group Archive Conversion References: Message-ID: <3EF41405.3000700@David-lamotte.net> Glenn Sieb wrote: > Yes yes! Do a google for Yahoo2mbox.pl! :) > > I converted a highly active list (about 200 subscribers, over a period of > 6 years) to mbox format just peachy :) It does, however, consume time, and > depending on the size of the list, may take a few days. I wish I could share your enthusiasm :-), but haven't had much success with Yahoo2mbox. I let it run for 15 minutes to retrieve just the one message and the debug output shows it just looping around going nowhere. Is there some trick that I am missing ? Thanks David From eric.miller at padtinc.com Sat Jun 21 20:24:04 2003 From: eric.miller at padtinc.com (Eric Miller) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 11:24:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on Mailman, Next Steps? Message-ID: Dear all, I changed my SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to 500 as suggested. Now I'm averaging 20 minutes and as fast as 10. I suspect my firewall is a problem. It is issuing warnings about being overwhelmed. In that I've been away from Unix for almost 7 years now and I'm new to Linux, I really don't know what tools I could use to find my bottleneck. Any suggestions? Eric ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Miller Director, CAD & Software Services Phoenix Analysis & Design Technologies (480) 813-4884, x103 www.padtinc.com -----Original Message----- From: Eric Miller [mailto:eric.miller at padtinc.com] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:45 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on Mailman, Next Steps? Dear all, We moved our mailman list over from yahoo to my server this week. No a painless move but it went OK. (This is some pretty good software!) My big issue is performance. Our list has 2300 subscribers and we do about 20 to 50 e-mails a day, nothing too big. Messages were taking 3 to 4 hours to be sent. I went through the FAQ on performance and have done the following to get down to 30 to 90 minutes: 1: Put in a DNS server on my machine with caching (pdnsd) 2: Used the following mailman settings: DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 3 SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 100 3: Turned off the logging Some other facts: a: I'm running RedHat 9 Linux b: We are getting lots of bounces: 258 have been put on hold because they went over their bounce score c: I'm using a 2+GHz AMD machine. Lots of horse power and it seems like I'm not using much. CPU is sitting at between 5% and 10% So, my obvious questions are: I: Any suggestions on my mm_cfg.py settings? II: Anything else you can recommend? III: My assumption is that since I'm using SMTPDirect it doesn't matter if I use the default stuff that comes with Redhat or should I load something better? IV: Is it the bounces that are my problem? Thank you in advance for any advice! Eric ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Miller Director: Support, Training & Development Phoenix Analysis & Design Technologies (480) 813-4884, x103 www.padtinc.com ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: eric.miller at padtinc.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/eric.miller%40padtinc.c om From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sat Jun 21 21:52:12 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:52:12 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on Mailman, Next Steps? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030621203545.03e443b8@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 19:45 20/06/2003, Eric Miller wrote: >Dear all, > >We moved our mailman list over from yahoo to my server this >week. No a painless move but it went OK. >(This is some pretty good software!) > >My big issue is performance. Our list has 2300 subscribers and >we do about 20 to 50 e-mails a day, nothing too big. > >Messages were taking 3 to 4 hours to be sent. I went through >the FAQ on performance and have done the following to get down >to 30 to 90 minutes: > >1: Put in a DNS server on my machine with caching (pdnsd) >2: Used the following mailman settings: > DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' > SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 3 > SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 100 >3: Turned off the logging > >Some other facts: > >a: I'm running RedHat 9 Linux >b: We are getting lots of bounces: 258 have been put on hold because they > went over their bounce score >c: I'm using a 2+GHz AMD machine. Lots of horse power and it seems like > I'm not using much. CPU is sitting at between 5% and 10% > > >So, my obvious questions are: > >I: Any suggestions on my mm_cfg.py settings? >II: Anything else you can recommend? >III: My assumption is that since I'm using SMTPDirect it doesn't > matter if I use the default stuff that comes with Redhat or > should I load something better? >IV: Is it the bounces that are my problem? Can you track an incoming post to the list through the system and compare of the times logged by: 1. the Mailman-server-local-MTA for receipt of an incoming mail and its handoff to Mailman 2. the Mailman post and smtp logs for the associate outgoing mail 3. the MTA handling outgoing mail from Mailman (is the the Mailman server local MTA?) for receipt of an outgoing mail from MM and its handoff to the next MTA Do these times give any indication of where the delays are occurring? Is Mailman logging smtp-failures or bounces? What MTA are you running? What version of MM and Python are you running? You did not say how much memory you system has and whether running top gives any indication of high loads on the system and if so which processes seems to be using generating the load.. You do not say why you changed SMTP_MAX_RCPTS from its default of 500 (on MM 2.1.2 at least) to 3. Are you list members mainly on your local domain or out in the real world? Is the MTA handling Mailman's incoming and outgoing interfaced direct to the world or does the MM traffic stage through some other mail relay in your network? >Thank you in advance for any advice! > >Eric > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Eric Miller >Director: Support, >Training & Development >Phoenix Analysis & >Design Technologies >(480) 813-4884, x103 >www.padtinc.com > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From scott.coats at mwsc.com Sun Jun 22 00:31:39 2003 From: scott.coats at mwsc.com (Scott Coats) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Embedded Lists Message-ID: I have installed Mailman and all seems fine. However, I have some list within list. When a user sends a message to a master list, I have to go into the moderation area and approve it. WHY? Can I fix it so this is not required? Please advise... -- R. Scott Coats Manager of Information Technology Machine & Welding Supply Company Direct: 910.980.6150 Fax : 910.980.6450 Main : 910.892.4016 From webowner at cybertwinks.com Sun Jun 22 00:48:50 2003 From: webowner at cybertwinks.com (Webmaster - CyberTwinks) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:48:50 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] errors reported when trying to create test list Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030621184850.00d55130@mail.cybertwinks.com> Hello, Traceback (innermost last): File "./bin/newlist", line 220, in ? main() File "./bin/newlist", line 169, in main mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 787, in Create self.InitVars(name, admin, crypted_password) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 344, in InitVars self.subject_prefix = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_SUBJECT_PREFIX % self.__dict__ ValueError: unsupported format character 'D' (0x44) Can you help with this, I am trying to set a notification list on my site so I don't have to rely on Yahoo Groups.. From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Jun 22 03:02:54 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 01:02:54 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on Mailman, Next Steps? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1056243769.2819.9.camel@Anncons4> On Fri, 2003-06-20 at 14:45, Eric Miller wrote: > Dear all, > > We moved our mailman list over from yahoo to my server this > week. No a painless move but it went OK. > (This is some pretty good software!) > > My big issue is performance. Our list has 2300 subscribers and > we do about 20 to 50 e-mails a day, nothing too big. > > Messages were taking 3 to 4 hours to be sent. I went through > the FAQ on performance and have done the following to get down > to 30 to 90 minutes: > > 1: Put in a DNS server on my machine with caching (pdnsd) > 2: Used the following mailman settings: > DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' > SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 3 > SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 100 > 3: Turned off the logging > Some folks will tell you to set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500 but I've found for my servers running Sendmail that 5 (or as high as 10) is the fastest value. Sendmail - as shipped by most generic distributors of Linux - is not optimized for speed. It is optimized to run using the lowest amount of resources so that it can run well on a POC computer pressed into service as a server. You have a *real* server so resources are not a concern. If what you want is speed, then you should apply some or all of the optimizations that I've published to the list in the past. You can also find them on the last page of my Mailserver Class notes: http://www.trilug.org/~jonc/mailserver A lot of folks have written me with feed back on their speed increases. If you do the tweaks I would like to hear your comments as well - both the good and the bad. Take care - Jon Carnes > Some other facts: > > a: I'm running RedHat 9 Linux > b: We are getting lots of bounces: 258 have been put on hold because they > went over their bounce score > c: I'm using a 2+GHz AMD machine. Lots of horse power and it seems like > I'm not using much. CPU is sitting at between 5% and 10% > > > So, my obvious questions are: > > I: Any suggestions on my mm_cfg.py settings? > II: Anything else you can recommend? > III: My assumption is that since I'm using SMTPDirect it doesn't > matter if I use the default stuff that comes with Redhat or > should I load something better? > IV: Is it the bounces that are my problem? > > Thank you in advance for any advice! > > Eric > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Eric Miller From webowner at cybertwinks.com Sun Jun 22 03:09:01 2003 From: webowner at cybertwinks.com (Webmaster - CyberTwinks) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:09:01 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] just won't work Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030621210901.00c3f200@mail.cybertwinks.com> Hi Just installed the Mailman script on my server, I am getting a 404 when I go to the Mailing list page, I don't get any email when I create a new list, and I add to the aliases file, but it is not recognised. Can anyone help here Rod From mike at CamaroSS.net Sun Jun 22 04:25:27 2003 From: mike at CamaroSS.net (Mike Kercher) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:25:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] just won't work In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20030621210901.00c3f200@mail.cybertwinks.com> Message-ID: <002101c33865$8d773cc0$9c01a8c0@home.middlefinger.net> Need some version information: MTA Mailman Did you add the required lines to your httpd.conf? -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] On Behalf Of Webmaster - CyberTwinks Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 8:09 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] just won't work Hi Just installed the Mailman script on my server, I am getting a 404 when I go to the Mailing list page, I don't get any email when I create a new list, and I add to the aliases file, but it is not recognised. Can anyone help here Rod ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: mike at camaross.net Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40camaross.net From help at quality.org Sun Jun 22 05:05:53 2003 From: help at quality.org (SysAdmin) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail not going out Message-ID: Version of mailman: 2.1.2 How it was installed: source Version of OS your server is running: Linux 2.2.16C32_III+VPN The MTA: Postfix I looked at the FAQ at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and found the entry about the cron (3.1.4(5)). These are my results: [mailman bin]# /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner /usr/bin/python: can't open file '/home/mailman/cron/qrunner' [mailman bin]# cd ../cron [mailman cron]# ls bumpdigests crontab.in gate_news nightly_gzip paths.pyc checkdbs disabled mailpasswds paths.py senddigests [mailman cron]# ls -al total 52 drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 1024 Jun 3 08:50 . drwxrwsr-x 22 mailman mailman 1024 May 29 17:44 .. -rwxr-xr-x 1 root mailman 2374 May 29 17:19 bumpdigests -rwxr-xr-x 1 root mailman 5716 May 29 17:19 checkdbs -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 1231 May 29 17:19 crontab.in -rwxr-xr-x 1 root mailman 7643 May 29 17:19 disabled -rwxr-xr-x 1 root mailman 9986 May 29 17:19 gate_news -rwxr-xr-x 1 root mailman 8319 May 29 17:19 mailpasswds -rwxr-xr-x 1 root mailman 4376 May 29 17:19 nightly_gzip -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 2425 May 29 17:19 paths.py -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 678 Jun 3 08:50 paths.pyc -rwxr-xr-x 1 root mailman 2363 May 29 17:19 senddigests So, it appears that there is no /home/mailman/cron/qrunner file. How do I create one? Why was it not created at installation? Here's cron for mailman: # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall. # (crontab.in installed on Tue Jun 3 08:46:25 2003) # (Cron version -- $Id: crontab.c,v 2.13 1994/01/17 03:20:37 vixie Exp $) # At 8AM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests. # They are less likely to ignore these reminders if they're mailed # early in the morning, but of course, this is local time... ;) 0 8 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs # # At 9AM, send notifications to disabled members that are due to be # reminded to re-enable their accounts. 0 9 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/disabled # # Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold delivery. 0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests # # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders. 0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds # # Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail. You can comment this one out # if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right now, # or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling. 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news # # At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file. Only # turn this on if the internal archiver is used and # GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py 27 3 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip So, there is no cron entry for qrunner being run every minute. What should the entry for this look like and why wasn't it created on installation? If anyone can help answer these questions without flaming me for being an idiot (I concede that already, so don't belabor it), I would appreciate the help. I'm obviously--and truly--a novice at Mailman, but want to become more knowledgeable. Thanks. Bill ============================================================================== Bill Casti, CQA Email: help at quality.org Text messaging: billcell at quality.org Fax: 1 270 738 2842 Cell: +1 571 283 1802 Tollfree Cell: 1 888 388-1640 Cell: +1 703 244 0497 Tollfree Cell: 1 877 289 2645 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit. ============================================================================== From support at pczero.net Sun Jun 22 05:44:50 2003 From: support at pczero.net (Customer & Technical Support) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 23:44:50 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest Setting in 2.0.13 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030621095439.00adc770@mail.openinfo.co.uk> References: <20030620151449.GB50360@ns2.wananchi.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20030621234249.00bc1f70@mail.pczero.net> How can I reset the digest in version 2.0.13 to Volume 1, Number 1 and then later how do I increment the Volume number when I want to go to Volume 2, etc? Thanks, DB From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sun Jun 22 13:12:40 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 12:12:40 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail not going out In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030622115925.00ae03f8@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 04:05 22/06/2003, SysAdmin wrote: > Version of mailman: 2.1.2 > How it was installed: source > Version of OS your server is running: Linux 2.2.16C32_III+VPN > The MTA: Postfix With MM 2.1.x the processing of message queues is done by qrunner daemons which are normally started by $prefix/bin/mailmanctl script. Again, it is normal for mailmanctl to be run from a startup script. The previous version, MM 2.0.x, used a qrunner cron job which ran every minute to do the same thing. The FAQ entry you have looked at may well be referring to MM 2.0.x rather than the 2.1.x you are running. If you look in the INSTALL document in the MM build directory under the heading "4. Final system set-up" you will see it tells you to run mailmanctl to get things going, after some necessary precursor steps such as creating the 'mailman' site list. It also explains how to run mailmanctl via a startup script. >I looked at the FAQ at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and found >the entry about the cron (3.1.4(5)). > >These are my results: > >[mailman bin]# /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner >/usr/bin/python: can't open file '/home/mailman/cron/qrunner' > >[mailman bin]# cd ../cron > >[mailman cron]# ls >bumpdigests crontab.in gate_news nightly_gzip paths.pyc >checkdbs disabled mailpasswds paths.py senddigests > >[mailman cron]# ls -al >total 52 >drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 1024 Jun 3 08:50 . >drwxrwsr-x 22 mailman mailman 1024 May 29 17:44 .. >-rwxr-xr-x 1 root mailman 2374 May 29 17:19 bumpdigests >-rwxr-xr-x 1 root mailman 5716 May 29 17:19 checkdbs >-rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 1231 May 29 17:19 crontab.in >-rwxr-xr-x 1 root mailman 7643 May 29 17:19 disabled >-rwxr-xr-x 1 root mailman 9986 May 29 17:19 gate_news >-rwxr-xr-x 1 root mailman 8319 May 29 17:19 mailpasswds >-rwxr-xr-x 1 root mailman 4376 May 29 17:19 nightly_gzip >-rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 2425 May 29 17:19 paths.py >-rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 678 Jun 3 08:50 paths.pyc >-rwxr-xr-x 1 root mailman 2363 May 29 17:19 senddigests > >So, it appears that there is no /home/mailman/cron/qrunner file. >How do I create one? Why was it not created at installation? > >Here's cron for mailman: > ># DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall. ># (crontab.in installed on Tue Jun 3 08:46:25 2003) ># (Cron version -- $Id: crontab.c,v 2.13 1994/01/17 03:20:37 vixie Exp $) ># At 8AM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests. ># They are less likely to ignore these reminders if they're mailed ># early in the morning, but of course, this is local time... ;) >0 8 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs ># ># At 9AM, send notifications to disabled members that are due to be ># reminded to re-enable their accounts. >0 9 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/disabled ># ># Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold >delivery. >0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests ># ># 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders. >0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds ># ># Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail. You can comment this one out ># if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right now, ># or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling. >0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/bin/python -S >/home/mailman/cron/gate_news ># ># At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file. Only ># turn this on if the internal archiver is used and ># GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py >27 3 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip > >So, there is no cron entry for qrunner being run every minute. > >What should the entry for this look like and why wasn't it created on >installation? > >If anyone can help answer these questions without flaming me for being an >idiot (I concede that already, so don't belabor it), I would appreciate >the help. I'm obviously--and truly--a novice at Mailman, but want to >become more knowledgeable. > >Thanks. >Bill > >============================================================================== > Bill Casti, CQA Email: help at quality.org > Text messaging: billcell at quality.org Fax: 1 270 738 2842 > Cell: +1 571 283 1802 Tollfree Cell: 1 888 388-1640 > Cell: +1 703 244 0497 Tollfree Cell: 1 877 289 2645 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > There's no limit to what can be accomplished > if it doesn't matter who gets the credit. >============================================================================== > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sun Jun 22 13:42:09 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 12:42:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] just won't work In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20030621210901.00c3f200@mail.cybertwinks.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030622123342.03fcff88@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 02:09 22/06/2003, Webmaster - CyberTwinks wrote: >Hi > >Just installed the Mailman script on my server, I am getting a 404 when I >go to the Mailing list page, I don't get any email when I create a new >list, and I add to the aliases file, but it is not recognised. Can anyone >help here How did you install what version of Mailman running with what version of Python under what operating system? Have you followed all the instruction in the INSTALL text file in the Mailman build directory and have you taken a look at: Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Have you checked the Mailman logs (? in $prefix/logs/), your web server logs (? in /var/httpd/) and mail server logs (? /var/log/maillog) for any evidence of what is happening? Give all that a whirl and then repost with a bit more detail, without which helping you is quite difficult. >Rod ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From ebailey at doghouseconsulting.com Sun Jun 22 18:24:17 2003 From: ebailey at doghouseconsulting.com (Ed Bailey) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 12:24:17 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Delivery Issue - Only half of the list gets email Message-ID: <004901c338da$ba157420$0a01a8c0@bj> Hello - As follows is what I am working with Mailman 2.1.1 Postfix 2.0.2 postconf will be at the bottom of the email RAV 8.4.1 The mail server outside of its relationship with Mailman works quite well and is very prompt in its mail delivery. Now for the fun - After 8 months of working fine - mailman will now only deliver mail to half of my largest list which only has about 715 members and I can't begin to figure out why. Mailman works fine with the other lists which are all under a 100. The list is moderated so I can send an email to the list and then get a request to approve the post right away. I approve the post and then I can see that email is going to the list, but not nearly enough. The logs indicate that about half of the emails in the list are ever actually submitted to postfix for delivery. Thanks for any ideas - I am clueless and tired right now As follows are the output of the mailman logs Note: the problem list never shows up in the post log file - the other lists do Error Log - I am sure this has something todo with the problem but why then does half the email get delivered? un 22 11:41:34 2003 (2509) Uncaught runner exception: please run connect() first Jun 22 11:41:34 2003 (2509) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 61, in _dispose self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 150, in process conn.quit() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 80, in quit self.__conn.quit() File "//usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 702, in quit self.docmd("quit") File "//usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 357, in docmd self.putcmd(cmd,args) File "//usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 313, in putcmd self.send(str) File "//usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 305, in send raise SMTPServerDisconnected('please run connect() first') SMTPServerDisconnected: please run connect() first Jun 22 11:41:34 2003 (2509) SHUNTING: 1056295980.754047+02e669aefe5c74f936c182a6c11d3b4a1cc88228 Jun 22 11:41:34 2003 (2509) Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port smtp SMTP log - result of the post to a list with 715 members Jun 22 11:31:33 2003 (2509) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.157 seconds Jun 22 11:31:35 2003 (2509) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.053 seconds Jun 22 11:32:27 2003 (2509) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.040 seconds Jun 22 11:32:28 2003 (2509) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.033 seconds Jun 22 11:33:02 2003 (2509) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.082 seconds Jun 22 11:33:04 2003 (2509) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.042 seconds Jun 22 11:41:34 2003 (2509) All recipients refused: please run connect() first Jun 22 11:41:34 2003 (2509) All recipients refused: please run connect() first Jun 22 11:41:34 2003 (2509) All recipients refused: please run connect() first Jun 22 11:41:34 2003 (2509) All recipients refused: please run connect() first Jun 22 11:41:35 2003 (2509) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.392 seconds Jun 22 11:41:36 2003 (2509) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.093 seconds Jun 22 12:14:02 2003 (2509) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.065 seconds Post fix log: I think this has something to do with local user relay issues but then why does regular mail to local users work like it should Jun 22 11:33:49 mse1018 postfix/local[20421]: B54D41700B9: to=, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent ("|/var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces all-mse") Jun 22 11:33:49 mse1018 postfix/local[20412]: 91D09170004: to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent ("|/var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces all-mse") Jun 22 11:33:50 mse1018 postfix/smtpd[20350]: 8C9C917008D: reject: RCPT from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]: 550 : User unknown in local recipient table; from= to= proto=ESMTP helo= Jun 22 11:33:51 mse1018 postfix/smtpd[20350]: 8C9C917008D: reject: RCPT from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]: 550 : User unknown in local recipient table; from= to= proto=ESMTP helo= Jun 22 11:33:52 mse1018 postfix/smtpd[20350]: 8C9C917008D: reject: RCPT from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]: 550 : User unknown in local recipient table; from= to= proto=ESMTP helo= Jun 22 11:33:53 mse1018 postfix/smtpd[20350]: 8C9C917008D: reject: RCPT from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]: 550 : User unknown in local recipient table; from= to= proto=ESMTP helo= Jun 22 11:33:54 mse1018 postfix/smtpd[20350]: 8C9C917008D: reject: RCPT from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]: 550 : User unknown in local recipient table; from= to= proto=ESMTP helo= Jun 22 11:33:55 mse1018 postfix/smtpd[20350]: 8C9C917008D: reject: RCPT from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]: 550 : User unknown in local recipient table; from= to= proto=ESMTP helo= My postfix setup [root at mse1018 logs]# postconf -n alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, ldap:myldaptag always_bcc = backup command_directory = /usr/sbin config_directory = /etc/postfix content_filter = smtp:[127.0.0.1]:10025 daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix debug_peer_level = 2 header_checks = regexp:/etc/postfix/maps/header_checks ignore_mx_lookup_error = yes local_recipient_maps = $alias_maps unix:passwd.byname mail_owner = postfix mailbox_size_limit = 500000000 mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq.postfix manpage_directory = /usr/share/man maximal_queue_lifetime = 1d mydestination = $myhostname, $mydomain, localhost.$mydomain, mail.mse.ufl.edu, alumni.mse.ufl.edu mydomain = mse.ufl.edu myhostname = mse1018.mse.ufl.edu mynetworks = 10.5.132.0/24, 10.5.46.0/24, 10.227.244.0/24, 128.227.90.214/32, 128.227.132.0/16, 68.105.168.236/32, 10.227.132.0/24, 127.0.0.0/8 myorigin = $myhostname newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases.postfix owner_request_special = no queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix readme_directory = /etc/postfix/readme recipient_delimiter = + relay_domains = $mydestination sample_directory = /etc/postfix/samples sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix setgid_group = postdrop smtpd_client_restrictions = smtpd_helo_restrictions = smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, check_client_access hash:/etc/postfix/pop-before-smtp, reject_unauth_destination, check_client_access hash:/etc/postfix/access, check_helo_access hash:/etc/postfix/access, check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/access, check_recipient_access hash:/etc/postfix/access, reject_unauth_pipelining, reject_invalid_hostname, reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_rbl_client relays.visi.com, reject_rbl_client sbl.spamhaus.org, permit smtpd_sender_restrictions = strict_rfc821_envelopes = yes unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sun Jun 22 19:29:36 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 18:29:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] just won't work In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20030622100836.00c077b0@mail.cybertwinks.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030622123342.03fcff88@mail.openinfo.co.uk> <3.0.6.32.20030621210901.00c3f200@mail.cybertwinks.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030622181248.00acf720@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 15:08 22/06/2003, Webmaster - CyberTwinks wrote: > >Have you checked the Mailman logs (? in $prefix/logs/) >in the smtp-failure my e-mail address is listed as ignore What did the log entry look like? Post the text of it rather than assuming people can guess what it says. > > your web server logs (? in /var/httpd/) >don't show anything from yesterday, they are cycled daily I want it that way I cycle logs but keep a week of backlog for precisely this sort of occassion. In any event what does today's log say when you try to access the Mailman URIs and which URIs are you trying? > >mail server logs (? /var/log/maillog) >there was nothing in these logs to indicate a problem Are you running 1. MM 2.1.x and if so have you run mailmanctl 2. MM 2.0.x and if so have you installed the mailman user crontab > >Give all that a whirl and then repost with a bit more detail, without which > >helping you is quite difficult. > > Which bit of "a bit more detail" is causing the problem. Please reread my previous post and see if you can respond more fully. Without information there is not much anyone can do to help you. I previously said: At 12:42 22/06/2003, Richard Barrett wrote: >At 02:09 22/06/2003, Webmaster - CyberTwinks wrote: > >>Hi >> >>Just installed the Mailman script on my server, I am getting a 404 when I >>go to the Mailing list page, I don't get any email when I create a new >>list, and I add to the aliases file, but it is not recognised. Can anyone >>help here > >How did you install what version of Mailman running with what version of >Python under what operating system? > >Have you followed all the instruction in the INSTALL text file in the >Mailman build directory and have you taken a look at: > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py You can also add to the list of questions: 1. what did you add to your Apache httpd.conf 2. what URI returned the 404 response As you initially posted to mailman-users, it is both courteous and advisable to copy the list with your response so that other list members can contribute to finding a solution to your problem or learn about any problems you have found and possible solutions to them. > >>Rod ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From webowner at cybertwinks.com Sun Jun 22 00:45:55 2003 From: webowner at cybertwinks.com (Webmaster - CyberTwinks) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:45:55 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] errors reported when trying to create test list Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030621184555.00d465e8@mail.cybertwinks.com> Hello, Traceback (innermost last): File "./bin/newlist", line 220, in ? main() File "./bin/newlist", line 169, in main mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 787, in Create self.InitVars(name, admin, crypted_password) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 344, in InitVars self.subject_prefix = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_SUBJECT_PREFIX % self.__dict__ ValueError: unsupported format character 'D' (0x44) Can you help with this, I am trying to set a notification list on my site so I don't have to rely on Yahoo Groups.. From leroy167 at webtv.net Sun Jun 22 03:19:54 2003 From: leroy167 at webtv.net (Leroy Alleyne) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] python Message-ID: <28079-3EF5043A-998@storefull-2237.public.lawson.webtv.net> I am Python is new E-Mail. From ebailey at doghouseconsulting.com Sun Jun 22 18:22:14 2003 From: ebailey at doghouseconsulting.com (Ed Bailey) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 12:22:14 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Delivery Issue - Only half of the list gets email Message-ID: <004801c338da$714cf240$0a01a8c0@bj> Hello - As follows is what I am working with Mailman 2.1.1 Postfix 2.0.2 postconf will be at the bottom of the email RAV 8.4.1 The mail server outside of its relationship with Mailman works quite well and is very prompt in its mail delivery. Now for the fun - After 8 months of working fine - mailman will now only deliver mail to half of my largest list which only has about 715 members and I can't begin to figure out why. Mailman works fine with the other lists which are all under a 100. The list is moderated so I can send an email to the list and then get a request to approve the post right away. I approve the post and then I can see that email is going to the list, but not nearly enough. The logs indicate that about half of the emails in the list are ever actually submitted to postfix for delivery. Thanks for any ideas - I am clueless and tired right now As follows are the output of the mailman logs Note: the problem list never shows up in the post log file - the other lists do Error Log - I am sure this has something todo with the problem but why then does half the email get delivered? un 22 11:41:34 2003 (2509) Uncaught runner exception: please run connect() first Jun 22 11:41:34 2003 (2509) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 61, in _dispose self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 150, in process conn.quit() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 80, in quit self.__conn.quit() File "//usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 702, in quit self.docmd("quit") File "//usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 357, in docmd self.putcmd(cmd,args) File "//usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 313, in putcmd self.send(str) File "//usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 305, in send raise SMTPServerDisconnected('please run connect() first') SMTPServerDisconnected: please run connect() first Jun 22 11:41:34 2003 (2509) SHUNTING: 1056295980.754047+02e669aefe5c74f936c182a6c11d3b4a1cc88228 Jun 22 11:41:34 2003 (2509) Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port smtp SMTP log - result of the post to a list with 715 members Jun 22 11:31:33 2003 (2509) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.157 seconds Jun 22 11:31:35 2003 (2509) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.053 seconds Jun 22 11:32:27 2003 (2509) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.040 seconds Jun 22 11:32:28 2003 (2509) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.033 seconds Jun 22 11:33:02 2003 (2509) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.082 seconds Jun 22 11:33:04 2003 (2509) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.042 seconds Jun 22 11:41:34 2003 (2509) All recipients refused: please run connect() first Jun 22 11:41:34 2003 (2509) All recipients refused: please run connect() first Jun 22 11:41:34 2003 (2509) All recipients refused: please run connect() first Jun 22 11:41:34 2003 (2509) All recipients refused: please run connect() first Jun 22 11:41:35 2003 (2509) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.392 seconds Jun 22 11:41:36 2003 (2509) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.093 seconds Jun 22 12:14:02 2003 (2509) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.065 seconds Post fix log: I think this has something to do with local user relay issues but then why does regular mail to local users work like it should Jun 22 11:33:49 mse1018 postfix/local[20421]: B54D41700B9: to=, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent ("|/var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces all-mse") Jun 22 11:33:49 mse1018 postfix/local[20412]: 91D09170004: to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent ("|/var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces all-mse") Jun 22 11:33:50 mse1018 postfix/smtpd[20350]: 8C9C917008D: reject: RCPT from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]: 550 : User unknown in local recipient table; from= to= proto=ESMTP helo= Jun 22 11:33:51 mse1018 postfix/smtpd[20350]: 8C9C917008D: reject: RCPT from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]: 550 : User unknown in local recipient table; from= to= proto=ESMTP helo= Jun 22 11:33:52 mse1018 postfix/smtpd[20350]: 8C9C917008D: reject: RCPT from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]: 550 : User unknown in local recipient table; from= to= proto=ESMTP helo= Jun 22 11:33:53 mse1018 postfix/smtpd[20350]: 8C9C917008D: reject: RCPT from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]: 550 : User unknown in local recipient table; from= to= proto=ESMTP helo= Jun 22 11:33:54 mse1018 postfix/smtpd[20350]: 8C9C917008D: reject: RCPT from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]: 550 : User unknown in local recipient table; from= to= proto=ESMTP helo= Jun 22 11:33:55 mse1018 postfix/smtpd[20350]: 8C9C917008D: reject: RCPT from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]: 550 : User unknown in local recipient table; from= to= proto=ESMTP helo= My postfix setup [root at mse1018 logs]# postconf -n alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, ldap:myldaptag always_bcc = backup command_directory = /usr/sbin config_directory = /etc/postfix content_filter = smtp:[127.0.0.1]:10025 daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix debug_peer_level = 2 header_checks = regexp:/etc/postfix/maps/header_checks ignore_mx_lookup_error = yes local_recipient_maps = $alias_maps unix:passwd.byname mail_owner = postfix mailbox_size_limit = 500000000 mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq.postfix manpage_directory = /usr/share/man maximal_queue_lifetime = 1d mydestination = $myhostname, $mydomain, localhost.$mydomain, mail.mse.ufl.edu, alumni.mse.ufl.edu mydomain = mse.ufl.edu myhostname = mse1018.mse.ufl.edu mynetworks = 10.5.132.0/24, 10.5.46.0/24, 10.227.244.0/24, 128.227.90.214/32, 128.227.132.0/16, 68.105.168.236/32, 10.227.132.0/24, 127.0.0.0/8 myorigin = $myhostname newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases.postfix owner_request_special = no queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix readme_directory = /etc/postfix/readme recipient_delimiter = + relay_domains = $mydestination sample_directory = /etc/postfix/samples sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix setgid_group = postdrop smtpd_client_restrictions = smtpd_helo_restrictions = smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, check_client_access hash:/etc/postfix/pop-before-smtp, reject_unauth_destination, check_client_access hash:/etc/postfix/access, check_helo_access hash:/etc/postfix/access, check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/access, check_recipient_access hash:/etc/postfix/access, reject_unauth_pipelining, reject_invalid_hostname, reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_rbl_client relays.visi.com, reject_rbl_client sbl.spamhaus.org, permit smtpd_sender_restrictions = strict_rfc821_envelopes = yes unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sun Jun 22 21:10:56 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:10:56 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Embedded Lists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030622195957.03e9dd80@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 23:31 21/06/2003, Scott Coats wrote: >I have installed Mailman and all seems fine. However, I have some list >within list. When a user sends a message to a master list, I have to go >into the moderation area and approve it. WHY? Can I fix it so this is >not required? Please advise... When the message you send to the superior list reaches the sublist, the sublist does not see itself in either the To: or Cc: headers. On the default MM setup lists usually hold such messages for moderation in case they are spam. There is an option in the admin web GUI (for the subordinate) list where you can tell the list to accept incoming posts that do not have that list in the To: or Cc: headers. I think it is on the Privacy or one it its subordinate pages; sorry I do not have a system at hand to check exactly which web admin GUI page it is. >-- >R. Scott Coats >Manager of Information Technology >Machine & Welding Supply Company >Direct: 910.980.6150 >Fax : 910.980.6450 >Main : 910.892.4016 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From paul at thcwd.com Sun Jun 22 21:35:26 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 14:35:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Yahoo2mbox In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030622092810.03312cc0@mail.thcwd.com> Worked find for me. I wanted the archives local as well as on the server, so I ran it from Winblows and then uploaded the files. There might be some permission issue if you run it from your Linux box.. The instructions seemed a bit incomplete to me, but they I don't do Perl so maybe they are obvious if you have a clue. At the C:\ prompt I ran: Perl yahoo2mbox.pl --user= It asked for my password, and away it went. Once it has counted the messages it seems to do nothing except that the dotted line gets longer - very slowly if there are a lot of messages. On my big list I hit the Yahoo download limit at message 25720, which I would guess was at about 65 Mb. A couple of hours later I reran it and it picked up where it had left off and finished. At 09:59 PM 6/21/2003, you wrote: >Glenn Sieb wrote: > > > Yes yes! Do a google for Yahoo2mbox.pl! :) > > > > I converted a highly active list (about 200 subscribers, over a period of > > 6 years) to mbox format just peachy :) It does, however, consume time, and > > depending on the size of the list, may take a few days. David said >I wish I could share your enthusiasm :-), but haven't had much success >with Yahoo2mbox. > >I let it run for 15 minutes to retrieve just the one message and the >debug output shows it just looping around going nowhere. > >Is there some trick that I am missing ? <>< Paul Linux, because rebooting is for adding hardware. From mark at symonds.net Sun Jun 22 22:17:32 2003 From: mark at symonds.net (Mark Symonds) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 13:17:32 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: qrunner running away Message-ID: <004201c338fb$501d7380$4801a8c0@mark> Hello, Previously posted problem below has been resolved. Scrutiny of the logs revealed that qrunner was complaining about the nonexistence of a file in /var/spool/mail/qfiles. This apparently caused qrunner to run in circles, pegging the CPU at 100%. There were only a few files in there, so we rm -fr'd /var/spool/mail/qfiles and voila, all is back to normal. Yay! This was on a RH 7.1 system. -- Mark Symonds mark at symonds.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Symonds" To: Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 3:29 AM > > Hello, > > Had mailman working wonderfully here until three days ago, > when a larger list (just over 2500 users) ceased functioning > and I noticed the load average was through the roof (usually > it's very low): > > [root at tx exim]# w > 1:24pm up 387 days, 2:26, 1 user, load average: 4.21, 4.29, 4.24 > USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT > mark pts/0 ca1.symonds.net 1:19pm 0.00s 0.28s 0.01s w > [root at tx exim]# ps auxw |grep python > mailman 6751 23.9 2.4 66712 12372 ? R Jun19 534:48 /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner > mailman 21895 24.8 2.6 62840 13608 ? R Jun19 404:09 /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner > mailman 3114 25.1 9.2 61756 46716 ? R Jun19 258:03 /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner > mailman 16755 24.5 11.2 61592 56844 ? R 06:18 104:49 /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner > root 25531 0.0 0.1 1716 596 pts/0 S 13:24 0:00 grep python > [root at tx exim]# > > ...read FAQ 4.19, killed the qrunner processes and removed the > lockfiles. Still no joy: > > [root at tx Mailman]# w > 4:44am up 387 days, 17:46, 1 user, load average: 1.08, 1.07, 1.26 > USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT > mark pts/1 ca1.symonds.net 4:37am 0.00s 0.24s 0.02s w > [root at tx Mailman]# ps auxw |grep python > root 11804 96.9 11.3 59256 57492 ? R 03:59 43:54 python ./qrunner > > In the logs: > > [root at tx mailman]# tail qrunner > Jun 21 06:08:03 2003 (15197) Could not acquire qrunner lock > Jun 21 06:09:02 2003 (15209) Could not acquire qrunner lock > Jun 21 06:10:01 2003 (15217) Could not acquire qrunner lock > Jun 21 06:11:03 2003 (15240) Could not acquire qrunner lock > Jun 21 06:12:02 2003 (15252) Could not acquire qrunner lock > Jun 21 06:13:02 2003 (15265) Could not acquire qrunner lock > Jun 21 06:14:02 2003 (15274) Could not acquire qrunner lock > Jun 21 06:15:02 2003 (15294) Could not acquire qrunner lock > Jun 21 06:16:02 2003 (15307) Could not acquire qrunner lock > Jun 21 06:17:01 2003 (15319) Could not acquire qrunner lock > [...ad infinitum...] > > Also during this time: > > * Trying to subscribe via the mailing list web page, upon > clicking the "subscribe" button it hangs at the page > until the browser times out. > > * Same thing when trying to auth via the admin web page. > > * This is the only broken list on that machine. The rest > are functioning normally in all respects. > > * I thought perhaps someone had changed the domain preferences > for the list? Checked it with config_list and it is correct. > Also ran check_db and check_perms, both report all's OK. > > Exim 4, RedHat 7.0, Mailman 2.0.13. > > Ideas? > > Sincerely, > > -- > Mark Symonds > mark at symonds.net > > > From webowner at cybertwinks.com Sun Jun 22 22:52:13 2003 From: webowner at cybertwinks.com (Webmaster - CyberTwinks) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:52:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030622165213.00c077b0@mail.cybertwinks.com> Hi Richard, Examining the error of my ways, I changed added the following to the mm_cfg.py file: SMTPHOST = 'media.(myhost).net SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10 I got the email when I created a new list, when I clicked on the link to go to my page I got this error Mailman CGI error!!! The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set by the Web server. The most likely cause is that Mailman was configured and installed incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL instructions again, paying close attention to the --with-cgi-gid configure option. This entry is being stored in your syslog: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 80. (Reconfigure to take 80?) I tried to reconfigure, but I don't think I am typing the command right this is my server: Port 80 User http Group http this is what I am putting in ./configure --with-cgi-gid=80 Rod At 18:29 22/06/2003 +0100, you wrote: >At 15:08 22/06/2003, Webmaster - CyberTwinks wrote: >> >Have you checked the Mailman logs (? in $prefix/logs/) >>in the smtp-failure my e-mail address is listed as ignore > >What did the log entry look like? Post the text of it rather than assuming >people can guess what it says. > > >> > your web server logs (? in /var/httpd/) >>don't show anything from yesterday, they are cycled daily I want it that way > >I cycle logs but keep a week of backlog for precisely this sort of >occassion. In any event what does today's log say when you try to access >the Mailman URIs and which URIs are you trying? > > >> >mail server logs (? /var/log/maillog) >>there was nothing in these logs to indicate a problem > >Are you running > >1. MM 2.1.x and if so have you run mailmanctl > >2. MM 2.0.x and if so have you installed the mailman user crontab > > >> >Give all that a whirl and then repost with a bit more detail, without which >> >helping you is quite difficult. >> > > >Which bit of "a bit more detail" is causing the problem. Please reread my >previous post and see if you can respond more fully. Without information >there is not much anyone can do to help you. > >I previously said: > >At 12:42 22/06/2003, Richard Barrett wrote: >>At 02:09 22/06/2003, Webmaster - CyberTwinks wrote: >> >>>Hi >>> >>>Just installed the Mailman script on my server, I am getting a 404 when I >>>go to the Mailing list page, I don't get any email when I create a new >>>list, and I add to the aliases file, but it is not recognised. Can anyone >>>help here >> >>How did you install what version of Mailman running with what version of >>Python under what operating system? >> >>Have you followed all the instruction in the INSTALL text file in the >>Mailman build directory and have you taken a look at: >> >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > >You can also add to the list of questions: > >1. what did you add to your Apache httpd.conf > >2. what URI returned the 404 response > >As you initially posted to mailman-users, it is both courteous and >advisable to copy the list with your response so that other list members >can contribute to finding a solution to your problem or learn about any >problems you have found and possible solutions to them. > >> >>Rod > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk > > > From mike at CamaroSS.net Sun Jun 22 23:05:25 2003 From: mike at CamaroSS.net (Mike Kercher) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:05:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20030622165213.00c077b0@mail.cybertwinks.com> Message-ID: <002301c33902$0105a1d0$9c01a8c0@home.middlefinger.net> Did you 'make install' after you reconfigured? Mike -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] On Behalf Of Webmaster - CyberTwinks Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 3:52 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] error Hi Richard, Examining the error of my ways, I changed added the following to the mm_cfg.py file: SMTPHOST = 'media.(myhost).net SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10 I got the email when I created a new list, when I clicked on the link to go to my page I got this error Mailman CGI error!!! The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set by the Web server. The most likely cause is that Mailman was configured and installed incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL instructions again, paying close attention to the --with-cgi-gid configure option. This entry is being stored in your syslog: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 80. (Reconfigure to take 80?) I tried to reconfigure, but I don't think I am typing the command right this is my server: Port 80 User http Group http this is what I am putting in ./configure --with-cgi-gid=80 Rod At 18:29 22/06/2003 +0100, you wrote: >At 15:08 22/06/2003, Webmaster - CyberTwinks wrote: >> >Have you checked the Mailman logs (? in $prefix/logs/) >>in the smtp-failure my e-mail address is listed as ignore > >What did the log entry look like? Post the text of it rather than >assuming >people can guess what it says. > > >> > your web server logs (? in /var/httpd/) >>don't show anything from yesterday, they are cycled daily I want it >>that way > >I cycle logs but keep a week of backlog for precisely this sort of >occassion. In any event what does today's log say when you try to access >the Mailman URIs and which URIs are you trying? > > >> >mail server logs (? /var/log/maillog) >>there was nothing in these logs to indicate a problem > >Are you running > >1. MM 2.1.x and if so have you run mailmanctl > >2. MM 2.0.x and if so have you installed the mailman user crontab > > >> >Give all that a whirl and then repost with a bit more detail, >> >without which >> >helping you is quite difficult. >> > > >Which bit of "a bit more detail" is causing the problem. Please reread >my >previous post and see if you can respond more fully. Without information >there is not much anyone can do to help you. > >I previously said: > >At 12:42 22/06/2003, Richard Barrett wrote: >>At 02:09 22/06/2003, Webmaster - CyberTwinks wrote: >> >>>Hi >>> >>>Just installed the Mailman script on my server, I am getting a 404 >>>when I go to the Mailing list page, I don't get any email when I >>>create a new list, and I add to the aliases file, but it is not >>>recognised. Can anyone help here >> >>How did you install what version of Mailman running with what version >>of >>Python under what operating system? >> >>Have you followed all the instruction in the INSTALL text file in the >>Mailman build directory and have you taken a look at: >> >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > >You can also add to the list of questions: > >1. what did you add to your Apache httpd.conf > >2. what URI returned the 404 response > >As you initially posted to mailman-users, it is both courteous and >advisable to copy the list with your response so that other list members >can contribute to finding a solution to your problem or learn about any >problems you have found and possible solutions to them. > >> >>Rod > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- --- >Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk > > > ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: mike at camaross.net Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40camaross.net From webowner at cybertwinks.com Sun Jun 22 23:11:12 2003 From: webowner at cybertwinks.com (Webmaster - CyberTwinks) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 17:11:12 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error In-Reply-To: <002301c33902$0105a1d0$9c01a8c0@home.middlefinger.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20030622165213.00c077b0@mail.cybertwinks.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030622171112.00c077b0@mail.cybertwinks.com> Just did that, god I feel so stupid now when a send a message to the list I get back this Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mail.ezprovider.net. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. vpopmail (#5.1.1) --- Below this line is a copy of the message. is there something else I can do At 16:05 22/06/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Did you 'make install' after you reconfigured? > >Mike > > >-----Original Message----- >From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org >[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] On Behalf Of >Webmaster - CyberTwinks >Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 3:52 PM >To: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: [Mailman-Users] error > > >Hi Richard, > >Examining the error of my ways, I changed added the following to the >mm_cfg.py file: > >SMTPHOST = 'media.(myhost).net >SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10 > >I got the email when I created a new list, when I clicked on the link to go >to my page I got this error > >Mailman CGI error!!! >The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set by >the Web server. The most likely cause is that Mailman was configured and >installed incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL instructions again, paying >close attention to the --with-cgi-gid configure option. This entry is being >stored in your syslog: > >Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 80. (Reconfigure to take >80?) > >I tried to reconfigure, but I don't think I am typing the command right > >this is my server: > >Port 80 >User http >Group http > >this is what I am putting in > >./configure --with-cgi-gid=80 > >Rod > >At 18:29 22/06/2003 +0100, you wrote: >>At 15:08 22/06/2003, Webmaster - CyberTwinks wrote: >>> >Have you checked the Mailman logs (? in $prefix/logs/) >>>in the smtp-failure my e-mail address is listed as ignore >> >>What did the log entry look like? Post the text of it rather than >>assuming >>people can guess what it says. >> >> >>> > your web server logs (? in /var/httpd/) >>>don't show anything from yesterday, they are cycled daily I want it >>>that way >> >>I cycle logs but keep a week of backlog for precisely this sort of >>occassion. In any event what does today's log say when you try to access >>the Mailman URIs and which URIs are you trying? >> >> >>> >mail server logs (? /var/log/maillog) >>>there was nothing in these logs to indicate a problem >> >>Are you running >> >>1. MM 2.1.x and if so have you run mailmanctl >> >>2. MM 2.0.x and if so have you installed the mailman user crontab >> >> >>> >Give all that a whirl and then repost with a bit more detail, >>> >without >which >>> >helping you is quite difficult. >>> > >> >>Which bit of "a bit more detail" is causing the problem. Please reread >>my >>previous post and see if you can respond more fully. Without information >>there is not much anyone can do to help you. >> >>I previously said: >> >>At 12:42 22/06/2003, Richard Barrett wrote: >>>At 02:09 22/06/2003, Webmaster - CyberTwinks wrote: >>> >>>>Hi >>>> >>>>Just installed the Mailman script on my server, I am getting a 404 >>>>when I go to the Mailing list page, I don't get any email when I >>>>create a new list, and I add to the aliases file, but it is not >>>>recognised. Can anyone help here >>> >>>How did you install what version of Mailman running with what version >>>of >>>Python under what operating system? >>> >>>Have you followed all the instruction in the INSTALL text file in the >>>Mailman build directory and have you taken a look at: >>> >>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> >>You can also add to the list of questions: >> >>1. what did you add to your Apache httpd.conf >> >>2. what URI returned the 404 response >> >>As you initially posted to mailman-users, it is both courteous and >>advisable to copy the list with your response so that other list members >>can contribute to finding a solution to your problem or learn about any >>problems you have found and possible solutions to them. >> >>> >>Rod >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>---- >--- >>Richard Barrett >http://www.openinfo.co.uk >> >> >> > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: mike at camaross.net >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40camaross.net > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: webowner at cybertwinks.com >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/webowner%40cybertwinks .com > > From mike at CamaroSS.net Sun Jun 22 23:19:22 2003 From: mike at CamaroSS.net (Mike Kercher) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:19:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20030622171112.00c077b0@mail.cybertwinks.com> Message-ID: <002401c33903$f3f9def0$9c01a8c0@home.middlefinger.net> Looks like the aliases that are printed to you when you create a list have not been copied into your aliases file. Mike -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] On Behalf Of Webmaster - CyberTwinks Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 4:11 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] error Just did that, god I feel so stupid now when a send a message to the list I get back this Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mail.ezprovider.net. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. vpopmail (#5.1.1) --- Below this line is a copy of the message. is there something else I can do At 16:05 22/06/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Did you 'make install' after you reconfigured? > >Mike > > >-----Original Message----- >From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org >[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] On Behalf >Of Webmaster - CyberTwinks >Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 3:52 PM >To: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: [Mailman-Users] error > > >Hi Richard, > >Examining the error of my ways, I changed added the following to the >mm_cfg.py file: > >SMTPHOST = 'media.(myhost).net >SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10 > >I got the email when I created a new list, when I clicked on the link >to go to my page I got this error > >Mailman CGI error!!! >The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as >set by the Web server. The most likely cause is that Mailman was >configured and installed incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL >instructions again, paying close attention to the --with-cgi-gid >configure option. This entry is being stored in your syslog: > >Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 80. (Reconfigure to >take >80?) > >I tried to reconfigure, but I don't think I am typing the command right > >this is my server: > >Port 80 >User http >Group http > >this is what I am putting in > >./configure --with-cgi-gid=80 > >Rod > >At 18:29 22/06/2003 +0100, you wrote: >>At 15:08 22/06/2003, Webmaster - CyberTwinks wrote: >>> >Have you checked the Mailman logs (? in $prefix/logs/) >>>in the smtp-failure my e-mail address is listed as ignore >> >>What did the log entry look like? Post the text of it rather than >>assuming >>people can guess what it says. >> >> >>> > your web server logs (? in /var/httpd/) >>>don't show anything from yesterday, they are cycled daily I want it >>>that way >> >>I cycle logs but keep a week of backlog for precisely this sort of >>occassion. In any event what does today's log say when you try to >>access the Mailman URIs and which URIs are you trying? >> >> >>> >mail server logs (? /var/log/maillog) >>>there was nothing in these logs to indicate a problem >> >>Are you running >> >>1. MM 2.1.x and if so have you run mailmanctl >> >>2. MM 2.0.x and if so have you installed the mailman user crontab >> >> >>> >Give all that a whirl and then repost with a bit more detail, >>> >without >which >>> >helping you is quite difficult. >>> > >> >>Which bit of "a bit more detail" is causing the problem. Please reread >>my >>previous post and see if you can respond more fully. Without information >>there is not much anyone can do to help you. >> >>I previously said: >> >>At 12:42 22/06/2003, Richard Barrett wrote: >>>At 02:09 22/06/2003, Webmaster - CyberTwinks wrote: >>> >>>>Hi >>>> >>>>Just installed the Mailman script on my server, I am getting a 404 >>>>when I go to the Mailing list page, I don't get any email when I >>>>create a new list, and I add to the aliases file, but it is not >>>>recognised. Can anyone help here >>> >>>How did you install what version of Mailman running with what version >>>of >>>Python under what operating system? >>> >>>Have you followed all the instruction in the INSTALL text file in the >>>Mailman build directory and have you taken a look at: >>> >>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> >>You can also add to the list of questions: >> >>1. what did you add to your Apache httpd.conf >> >>2. what URI returned the 404 response >> >>As you initially posted to mailman-users, it is both courteous and >>advisable to copy the list with your response so that other list >>members can contribute to finding a solution to your problem or learn >>about any problems you have found and possible solutions to them. >> >>> >>Rod >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>- >>---- >--- >>Richard Barrett >http://www.openinfo.co.uk >> >> >> > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: mike at camaross.net >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40camaross.ne >t > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: webowner at cybertwinks.com >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/webowner%40cybertw >inks .com > > ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: mike at camaross.net Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40camaross.net From webowner at cybertwinks.com Sun Jun 22 23:29:24 2003 From: webowner at cybertwinks.com (Webmaster - CyberTwinks) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 17:29:24 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error In-Reply-To: <002401c33903$f3f9def0$9c01a8c0@home.middlefinger.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20030622171112.00c077b0@mail.cybertwinks.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030622172924.00cf7c18@mail.cybertwinks.com> I copied them over to the aliases file and ran newaliases but I still get Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mail.ezprovider.net. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. vpopmail (#5.1.1) Rod At 16:19 22/06/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Looks like the aliases that are printed to you when you create a list have >not been copied into your aliases file. > >Mike > > >-----Original Message----- >From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org >[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] On Behalf Of >Webmaster - CyberTwinks >Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 4:11 PM >To: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] error > > >Just did that, god I feel so stupid > >now when a send a message to the list I get back this > >Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mail.ezprovider.net. >I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. >This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > >: >Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. vpopmail (#5.1.1) > >--- Below this line is a copy of the message. > >is there something else I can do > >At 16:05 22/06/2003 -0500, you wrote: >>Did you 'make install' after you reconfigured? >> >>Mike >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org >>[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] On Behalf >>Of Webmaster - CyberTwinks >>Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 3:52 PM >>To: mailman-users at python.org >>Subject: [Mailman-Users] error >> >> >>Hi Richard, >> >>Examining the error of my ways, I changed added the following to the >>mm_cfg.py file: >> >>SMTPHOST = 'media.(myhost).net >>SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10 >> >>I got the email when I created a new list, when I clicked on the link >>to go to my page I got this error >> >>Mailman CGI error!!! >>The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as >>set by the Web server. The most likely cause is that Mailman was >>configured and installed incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL >>instructions again, paying close attention to the --with-cgi-gid >>configure option. This entry is being stored in your syslog: >> >>Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 80. (Reconfigure to >>take >>80?) >> >>I tried to reconfigure, but I don't think I am typing the command right >> >>this is my server: >> >>Port 80 >>User http >>Group http >> >>this is what I am putting in >> >>./configure --with-cgi-gid=80 >> >>Rod >> >>At 18:29 22/06/2003 +0100, you wrote: >>>At 15:08 22/06/2003, Webmaster - CyberTwinks wrote: >>>> >Have you checked the Mailman logs (? in $prefix/logs/) >>>>in the smtp-failure my e-mail address is listed as ignore >>> >>>What did the log entry look like? Post the text of it rather than >>>assuming >>>people can guess what it says. >>> >>> >>>> > your web server logs (? in /var/httpd/) >>>>don't show anything from yesterday, they are cycled daily I want it >>>>that way >>> >>>I cycle logs but keep a week of backlog for precisely this sort of >>>occassion. In any event what does today's log say when you try to >>>access the Mailman URIs and which URIs are you trying? >>> >>> >>>> >mail server logs (? /var/log/maillog) >>>>there was nothing in these logs to indicate a problem >>> >>>Are you running >>> >>>1. MM 2.1.x and if so have you run mailmanctl >>> >>>2. MM 2.0.x and if so have you installed the mailman user crontab >>> >>> >>>> >Give all that a whirl and then repost with a bit more detail, >>>> >without >>which >>>> >helping you is quite difficult. >>>> > >>> >>>Which bit of "a bit more detail" is causing the problem. Please reread >>>my >>>previous post and see if you can respond more fully. Without information >>>there is not much anyone can do to help you. >>> >>>I previously said: >>> >>>At 12:42 22/06/2003, Richard Barrett wrote: >>>>At 02:09 22/06/2003, Webmaster - CyberTwinks wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hi >>>>> >>>>>Just installed the Mailman script on my server, I am getting a 404 >>>>>when I go to the Mailing list page, I don't get any email when I >>>>>create a new list, and I add to the aliases file, but it is not >>>>>recognised. Can anyone help here >>>> >>>>How did you install what version of Mailman running with what version >>>>of >>>>Python under what operating system? >>>> >>>>Have you followed all the instruction in the INSTALL text file in the >>>>Mailman build directory and have you taken a look at: >>>> >>>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >>> >>>You can also add to the list of questions: >>> >>>1. what did you add to your Apache httpd.conf >>> >>>2. what URI returned the 404 response >>> >>>As you initially posted to mailman-users, it is both courteous and >>>advisable to copy the list with your response so that other list >>>members can contribute to finding a solution to your problem or learn >>>about any problems you have found and possible solutions to them. >>> >>>> >>Rod >>> >>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>- >>>---- >>--- >>>Richard Barrett >>http://www.openinfo.co.uk >>> >>> >>> >> >>------------------------------------------------------ >>Mailman-Users mailing list >>Mailman-Users at python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >>Searchable Archives: >>http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >>This message was sent to: mike at camaross.net >>Unsubscribe or change your options at >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40camaross.ne >>t >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------ >>Mailman-Users mailing list >>Mailman-Users at python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >>Searchable Archives: >>http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >>This message was sent to: webowner at cybertwinks.com >>Unsubscribe or change your options at >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/webowner%40cybertw >>inks >.com >> >> > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: mike at camaross.net >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40camaross.net > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: webowner at cybertwinks.com >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/webowner%40cybertwinks .com > > From mike at CamaroSS.net Sun Jun 22 23:33:55 2003 From: mike at CamaroSS.net (Mike Kercher) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:33:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20030622172924.00cf7c18@mail.cybertwinks.com> Message-ID: <002a01c33905$fbc02840$9c01a8c0@home.middlefinger.net> Qmail is out of my element. Sorry I can't help you further. Mike -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] On Behalf Of Webmaster - CyberTwinks Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 4:29 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] error I copied them over to the aliases file and ran newaliases but I still get Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mail.ezprovider.net. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. vpopmail (#5.1.1) Rod At 16:19 22/06/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Looks like the aliases that are printed to you when you create a list >have not been copied into your aliases file. > >Mike > > >-----Original Message----- >From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org >[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] On Behalf >Of Webmaster - CyberTwinks >Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 4:11 PM >To: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] error > > >Just did that, god I feel so stupid > >now when a send a message to the list I get back this > >Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mail.ezprovider.net. >I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following >addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't >work out. > >: >Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. vpopmail (#5.1.1) > >--- Below this line is a copy of the message. > >is there something else I can do > >At 16:05 22/06/2003 -0500, you wrote: >>Did you 'make install' after you reconfigured? >> >>Mike >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org >>[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] On Behalf >>Of Webmaster - CyberTwinks >>Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 3:52 PM >>To: mailman-users at python.org >>Subject: [Mailman-Users] error >> >> >>Hi Richard, >> >>Examining the error of my ways, I changed added the following to the >>mm_cfg.py file: >> >>SMTPHOST = 'media.(myhost).net >>SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10 >> >>I got the email when I created a new list, when I clicked on the link >>to go to my page I got this error >> >>Mailman CGI error!!! >>The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as >>set by the Web server. The most likely cause is that Mailman was >>configured and installed incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL >>instructions again, paying close attention to the --with-cgi-gid >>configure option. This entry is being stored in your syslog: >> >>Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 80. (Reconfigure to >>take >>80?) >> >>I tried to reconfigure, but I don't think I am typing the command >>right >> >>this is my server: >> >>Port 80 >>User http >>Group http >> >>this is what I am putting in >> >>./configure --with-cgi-gid=80 >> >>Rod >> >>At 18:29 22/06/2003 +0100, you wrote: >>>At 15:08 22/06/2003, Webmaster - CyberTwinks wrote: >>>> >Have you checked the Mailman logs (? in $prefix/logs/) >>>>in the smtp-failure my e-mail address is listed as ignore >>> >>>What did the log entry look like? Post the text of it rather than >>>assuming people can guess what it says. >>> >>> >>>> > your web server logs (? in /var/httpd/) >>>>don't show anything from yesterday, they are cycled daily I want it >>>>that way >>> >>>I cycle logs but keep a week of backlog for precisely this sort of >>>occassion. In any event what does today's log say when you try to >>>access the Mailman URIs and which URIs are you trying? >>> >>> >>>> >mail server logs (? /var/log/maillog) >>>>there was nothing in these logs to indicate a problem >>> >>>Are you running >>> >>>1. MM 2.1.x and if so have you run mailmanctl >>> >>>2. MM 2.0.x and if so have you installed the mailman user crontab >>> >>> >>>> >Give all that a whirl and then repost with a bit more detail, >>>> >without >>which >>>> >helping you is quite difficult. >>>> > >>> >>>Which bit of "a bit more detail" is causing the problem. Please >>>reread my previous post and see if you can respond more fully. >>>Without information there is not much anyone can do to help you. >>> >>>I previously said: >>> >>>At 12:42 22/06/2003, Richard Barrett wrote: >>>>At 02:09 22/06/2003, Webmaster - CyberTwinks wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hi >>>>> >>>>>Just installed the Mailman script on my server, I am getting a 404 >>>>>when I go to the Mailing list page, I don't get any email when I >>>>>create a new list, and I add to the aliases file, but it is not >>>>>recognised. Can anyone help here >>>> >>>>How did you install what version of Mailman running with what >>>>version of Python under what operating system? >>>> >>>>Have you followed all the instruction in the INSTALL text file in >>>>the >>>>Mailman build directory and have you taken a look at: >>>> >>>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >>> >>>You can also add to the list of questions: >>> >>>1. what did you add to your Apache httpd.conf >>> >>>2. what URI returned the 404 response >>> >>>As you initially posted to mailman-users, it is both courteous and >>>advisable to copy the list with your response so that other list >>>members can contribute to finding a solution to your problem or learn >>>about any problems you have found and possible solutions to them. >>> >>>> >>Rod >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>- >>>- >>>---- >>--- >>>Richard Barrett >>http://www.openinfo.co.uk >>> >>> >>> >> >>------------------------------------------------------ >>Mailman-Users mailing list >>Mailman-Users at python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >>Searchable Archives: >>http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >>This message was sent to: mike at camaross.net >>Unsubscribe or change your options at >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40camaross.ne >>t >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------ >>Mailman-Users mailing list >>Mailman-Users at python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >>Searchable Archives: >>http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >>This message was sent to: webowner at cybertwinks.com Unsubscribe or >>change your options at >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/webowner%40cybert >>w >>inks >.com >> >> > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: mike at camaross.net >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40camaross.ne >t > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: webowner at cybertwinks.com >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/webowner%40cybertw >inks .com > > ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: mike at camaross.net Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40camaross.net From webowner at cybertwinks.com Mon Jun 23 00:57:46 2003 From: webowner at cybertwinks.com (Webmaster - CyberTwinks) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 18:57:46 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qmail and mailman Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030622185746.00cfbda8@mail.cybertwinks.com> Is there anyway of getting this program to work with qmail, or am I just spinning my wheels here, because it thats the case I will scrap the program Rod From ler at lerctr.org Mon Jun 23 01:02:09 2003 From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 18:02:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qmail and mailman In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20030622185746.00cfbda8@mail.cybertwinks.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20030622185746.00cfbda8@mail.cybertwinks.com> Message-ID: <291100000.1056322929@lerlaptop.lerctr.org> --On Sunday, June 22, 2003 18:57:46 -0400 Webmaster - CyberTwinks wrote: > > Is there anyway of getting this program to work with qmail, or am I just > spinning my wheels here, because it thats the case I will scrap the > program > works great, WITH THE qmail-to-mailman.py helper program I have a client using it very successfully. LER -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 From mailman at ansteorra.org Mon Jun 23 03:28:06 2003 From: mailman at ansteorra.org (Pug Bainter) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:28:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Usenet gateway after upgrade from 2.x to 2.1.2... Message-ID: <20030622202806.A26765@stardock.pug.net> Good Morning, After upgrading from 2.x to 2.1.2, the news gateway sends out the following errors several times a day. It doesn't matter if there are mails to or from Usenet. _______________________________________________ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman2/cron/gate_news", line 274, in ? main() File "/var/mailman2/cron/gate_news", line 254, in main process_lists(lock) File "/var/mailman2/cron/gate_news", line 198, in process_lists conn, first, last = open_newsgroup(mlist) File "/var/mailman2/cron/gate_news", line 93, in open_newsgroup password=mm_cfg.NNTP_PASSWORD) File "/usr/lib/python2.1/nntplib.py", line 116, in __init__ self.welcome = self.getresp() File "/usr/lib/python2.1/nntplib.py", line 202, in getresp resp = self.getline() File "/usr/lib/python2.1/nntplib.py", line 194, in getline if not line: raise EOFError EOFError _______________________________________________ Any ideas on how to resolve this? Ciao, -- Pug Bainter | AMD, Inc. System Engineer, MTS | Mail Stop 625 Pug.Bainter at amd.com | pug at pug.net | 5900 E. Ben White Blvd Phone: (512) 602-0364 | Fax: (512) 602-6970 | Austin, TX 78741 Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter. From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Mon Jun 23 03:51:23 2003 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Having trouble getting mail from a user to a list... In-Reply-To: <3EF41405.3000700@David-lamotte.net> References: <3EF41405.3000700@David-lamotte.net> Message-ID: <1463.65.246.245.129.1056333083.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> Here's the scenario--Mailman 2.1, ht://Dig patches, under Postfix/SpamAssassin/Amavis She is a member of the list, she sees posts just fine.. she sends one and here's a sample of what we get in the logs: Maillog for session: Jun 22 21:40:40 caduceus postfix/smtpd[81397]: connect from imo-m01.mx.aol.com[64.12.136.4] Jun 22 21:40:40 caduceus postfix/smtpd[81397]: C86D815233: client=imo-m01.mx.aol.com[64.12.136.4] Jun 22 21:40:41 caduceus postfix/cleanup[81398]: C86D815233: message-id=<30.41cd285b.2c27b48e at aol.com> Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus postfix/qmgr[40016]: C86D815233: from=, size=11213, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) ESMTP:10024 /var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636: -> Received: SIZE=11213 from wingfoot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (caduceus.wingfoot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 79636-05 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) body hash: 13e0ebc76021f37c9608f5d4822c05c6 Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) Checking: -> Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) Using NAI McAfee AntiVirus (uvscan): /usr/local/bin/uvscan --secure -rv --summary --noboot /var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636/parts Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) run_av: /usr/local/bin/uvscan status=0 (0 ),Scanning /var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636/parts/*\nScanning file /var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636/parts/part-00001\nScanning file /var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636/parts/part-00002\nScanning file /var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636/parts/part-00003\n\nSummary report on /var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636/parts/*\nFile(s)\n...Total files: ........... ...3\n...Clean: ................. ...3\n...Possibly Infected: ..... ...0 Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) spam_scan: hits=3.8 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_FONT_COLOR_GRAY,HTML_FONT_COLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_FONT_FACE_ODD,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_BODY,MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAME Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) FWD via SMTP: [127.0.0.1:10025] -> Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus postfix/smtpd[81411]: connect from localhost.wingfoot.org[127.0.0.1] Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus postfix/smtpd[81411]: C47C215251: client=localhost.wingfoot.org[127.0.0.1] Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus postfix/cleanup[81398]: C47C215251: message-id=<30.41cd285b.2c27b48e at aol.com> Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus postfix/qmgr[40016]: C47C215251: from=, size=11669, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) Passed, -> , Message-ID: <30.41cd285b.2c27b48e at aol.com> Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus postfix/smtpd[81411]: disconnect from localhost.wingfoot.org[127.0.0.1] Jun 22 21:40:43 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) TIMING [total 1025 ms] - SMTP EHLO: 1 (0%), SMTP pre-MAIL: 0 (0%), SMTP pre-DATA-flush: 3 (0%), SMTP DATA: 191 (19%), body hash: 1 (0%), mime_decode: 27 (3%), get-file-type: 22 (2%), get-file-type: 20 (2%), get-file-type: 20 (2%), decompose_part: 1 (0%), decompose_part: 0 (0%), decompose_part: 0 (0%), parts: 0 (0%), AV-scan-1: 389 (38%), SA msg read: 2 (0%), SA parse: 1 (0%), SA check: 57 (6%), fwd-connect: 17 (2%), fwd-mail-from: 2 (0%), fwd-rcpt-to: 2 (0%), write-header: 4 (0%), fwd-data: 5 (0%), fwd-rundown: 105 (10%), unlink-3-files: 156 (15%), rundown: 0 (0%) Jun 22 21:40:43 caduceus postfix/smtp[81399]: C86D815233: to=, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1], delay=3, status=sent (250 2.6.0 Ok, id=79636-05, from MTA: 250 Ok: queued as C47C215251) Jun 22 21:40:43 caduceus postfix/pipe[81412]: C47C215251: to=, relay=mailman, delay=1, status=sent (lists.wingfoot.org) Jun 22 21:40:43 caduceus postfix/smtpd[81397]: disconnect from imo-m01.mx.aol.com[64.12.136.4] Vette log (what *is* Vette for anyway?--it was the only log file to change during this) Jun 22 21:40:43 2003 (74116) Message discarded, msgid: <30.41cd285b.2c27b48e at aol.com> We've deleted her account, recreated it, and reapproved her sub--and she's still being "discarded".. what would cause this? If I'm missing any helpful info here, please let me know... Thanks, Glenn From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be Mon Jun 23 10:17:39 2003 From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:17:39 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi-language support In-Reply-To: <20030618080206.GA27158@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> References: <20030618080206.GA27158@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> Message-ID: <20030623081739.GA5941@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> Hi all, On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 10:02:06AM +0200, Jeroen Valcke wrote: > - It appears that some of the paragraphs are not translated. For example > on the 'General list information page' the section subscribers is > never translated. I would be more than happy to translate these. But > where should I add my translation? Just not to break things. I'm trying to change the templates so that the sentences are in the selected language, but for the the last section in the listinfo template I don't find any phrases. There just some tags.

Now, where are these defined. And how can I change this code so that I can translate the sentences? -Jeroen- -- Jeroen Valcke sst at belnet.be jeroen.valcke at belnet.be From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Mon Jun 23 10:46:52 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:46:52 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi-language support References: <20030618080206.GA27158@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> <20030623081739.GA5941@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> Message-ID: <3EF6BE7C.2090906@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, > > > Now, where are these defined. And how can I change this code so that I > can translate the sentences? They are defined in the python program and use the translation catalog which is in /messages//mailman.[mp]o . Check if your .mo file is installed. In some os (solaris) where bsd install is missing, .mo file is not installed by the alternative sh script install.sh which is included in the distribution. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be Mon Jun 23 12:00:58 2003 From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:00:58 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi-language support In-Reply-To: <3EF6BE7C.2090906@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> References: <20030618080206.GA27158@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> <20030623081739.GA5941@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> <3EF6BE7C.2090906@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20030623100058.GA6266@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> Hello, Thanks for helping out. On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 05:46:52PM +0900, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > Hi, > > > > > > > > >Now, where are these defined. And how can I change this code so that I > >can translate the sentences? > > They are defined in the python program and use the translation > catalog which is in /messages//mailman.[mp]o . > > Check if your .mo file is installed. In some os (solaris) > where bsd install is missing, .mo file is not installed by > the alternative sh script install.sh which is included in > the distribution. Of course I'm on Solaris and the .mo file is missing. :-( Is there another way to do translations? Is there somewhere a reference. -Jeroen- -- Jeroen Valcke sst at belnet.be jeroen.valcke at belnet.be From goetz.reinicke at filmakademie.de Mon Jun 23 12:14:35 2003 From: goetz.reinicke at filmakademie.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6tz_Reinicke?=) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:14:35 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] high cpu load after update to 2.1.2 on rh 9 Message-ID: <3EF6D30B.6010003@filmakademie.de> Hi, I recently updated our mailmansystem to version 2.1.2 using the rawhide rpm. The base-system is RH 9 on a dual CPU Server. Now I have a cpu usage of 99% (on one CPU) by one python process. restarting mailman and eaven the whole server didn't solve the problem. Any ideas? Thanks! G?tz Reinicke -- G?tz Reinicke IT Koordinator - IT OfficeNet Tel. +49 (0) 7141 - 969 420 Fax +49 (0) 7141 - 969 55 420 goetz.reinicke at filmakademie.de Filmakademie Baden-W?rttemberg Mathildenstr. 20 71638 Ludwigsburg www.filmakademie.de From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Mon Jun 23 12:49:23 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:49:23 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi-language support References: <20030618080206.GA27158@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> <20030623081739.GA5941@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> <3EF6BE7C.2090906@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <20030623100058.GA6266@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> Message-ID: <3EF6DB33.2080006@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Jeroen Valcke wrote: > Of course I'm on Solaris and the .mo file is missing. :-( > Is there another way to do translations? Is there somewhere a reference. Here is a patch for /messages/Makefile.in. You can edit Makefile directly and skip configure. --- Makefile.in.orig Mon Jun 23 19:41:09 2003 +++ Makefile.in Mon Jun 23 19:42:23 2003 @@ -106,7 +106,7 @@ po=$(srcdir)/$$d/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po; \ mo=$(srcdir)/$$d/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo; \ dir=$(DESTDIR)$(prefix)/messages/$$d/LC_MESSAGES; \ - $(INSTALL) -m $(FILEMODE) $$po $$mo $$dir; \ + $(INSTALL) -m $(FILEMODE) $$mo $$dir; \ done mofiles: $(MOFILES) ========================================================== Cheers, -- Tokio Kikuchi tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon Jun 23 14:01:58 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:01:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qmail and mailman In-Reply-To: <291100000.1056322929@lerlaptop.lerctr.org> References: <3.0.6.32.20030622185746.00cfbda8@mail.cybertwinks.com> <3.0.6.32.20030622185746.00cfbda8@mail.cybertwinks.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030623125751.00ae32f8@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 00:02 23/06/2003, Larry Rosenman wrote: >--On Sunday, June 22, 2003 18:57:46 -0400 Webmaster - CyberTwinks > wrote: > >> >>Is there anyway of getting this program to work with qmail, or am I just >>spinning my wheels here, because it thats the case I will scrap the >>program Have you read and inwardly digested the README.QMAIL file in the MM distribution? Its a bit beyond me as I use Sendmail but it might help you on your way. Also try a search of the FAQ for qmail. >works great, WITH THE qmail-to-mailman.py helper program > >I have a client using it very successfully. > >LER > > >-- >Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler >Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org >US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From jdecarlo at mitre.org Mon Jun 23 15:35:08 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:35:08 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question In-Reply-To: <011001c336a2$b2852d20$fd97a544@electrocities.com> References: <011001c336a2$b2852d20$fd97a544@electrocities.com> Message-ID: <3EF7020C.3010705@mitre.org> Chuck, 1. Send a message with "subscribe" in the subject to mylist-request at ... 2. Send a message with "help" in the subject to mylist-request at ... and get a list of email commands back. Chuck Walker wrote: > I am new to Mailman and was wondering if there is an email command to > subscribe? > > For example, on Yahoo Groups you can send a blank email to > mylist-subscribe at yahoogroups.com > > Does Mailman have a similar feature? -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From keith at eddystone.com Mon Jun 23 10:26:30 2003 From: keith at eddystone.com (Keith Denby) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:26:30 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Excessive bounce problem Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030623092132.033a1e80@mail.eddystone.com> Hello I have started to use Mailman for several lists but am experiencing a problem - my address is regularly disabled from the lists that I subscribe to even though I receive the postings OK "Your membership in the mailing list ilfmembers has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 23-Jun-2003." Just to test things I have turned off bounce handling for the above list and yet I have still been disabled. There have been no postings to this list for quite a few days. Same problem is occurring with other list owners - one point to note is that all people being bounced like this are hosted by us and use our mail server (mail.eddystone.com) although the server is on a differnet machine to Mailman. Any ideas out there? Regards Keith Denby 01598 763618 Eddystone www.eddystone.com Octopus search engine octopus.eddystone.com From webowner at cybertwinks.com Mon Jun 23 19:21:26 2003 From: webowner at cybertwinks.com (Webmaster - CyberTwinks) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:21:26 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman users] Just installed Version 2.1.2 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030623132126.00d276f0@mail.cybertwinks.com> Works like a charm, no problems install at all, but::: I need help to get it to work with my outside mail server my MTA is mail.ezprovider.net using qmail Can someone kindly help me through this Rod Thanks in advance :) From jas at nysia.org Mon Jun 23 21:17:52 2003 From: jas at nysia.org (Jaswinder S. Hayre) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:17:52 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages being labeled as spam Message-ID: <6547A5AF6882D6118FC100065B8872071F6B56@msp101.nysia.org> Guys, We are using Mailman to send messages to a little more than 6000 members but we are realizing a problem. The messages which are delivered by Mailman have no specific address in the To: field. But instead it contains something like listname at hostname. Some spam filters label mail delivered in this fashion as being spam. This prevents our message from actually reaching the end user even though we have an "opt-in" system. Why does Mailman do this? And is there a way to have the To: field be the actual address that the message is being delivered to? Regards, Jas From stephane.comtois at radikal4.com Mon Jun 23 19:03:31 2003 From: stephane.comtois at radikal4.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Comtois?=) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:03:31 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List creator's (authentication) password Message-ID: <001501c339a9$6045f6c0$1401a8c0@general> Hi, My question is simple, but the answer not so, to me. I am the administrator of a server. I have many domain. I want to give someone the privilege to create a list, how can issue List creator's password? I am reading your documentation for an hour for that!! Not clear... to say the least. St?phane Comtois stephane.comtois at radikal4.com Radikal4.com --- Ce message est certifi? sans virus par AVG Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release Date: 2003-06-18 From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon Jun 23 21:45:57 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:45:57 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List creator's (authentication) password In-Reply-To: <001501c339a9$6045f6c0$1401a8c0@general> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030623204402.039adb40@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 18:03 23/06/2003, St?phane Comtois wrote: >Hi, > >My question is simple, but the answer not so, to me. > >I am the administrator of a server. I have many domain. >I want to give someone the privilege to create a list, how can issue List >creator's password? > >I am reading your documentation for an hour for that!! >Not clear... to say the least. I did not realise that using open software at no charge and with no charge for support had become compulsory. You have my sympathy at such an imposition. >St?phane Comtois >stephane.comtois at radikal4.com >Radikal4.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon Jun 23 21:55:34 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:55:34 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List creator's (authentication) password Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030623205253.03e8bff8@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 18:03 23/06/2003, St?phane Comtois wrote: >Hi, > >My question is simple, but the answer not so, to me. > >I am the administrator of a server. I have many domain. >I want to give someone the privilege to create a list, how can issue List >creator's password? btw: The INSTALL document in your mailman build directory says: - Create the site password using: % $prefix/bin/mmsitepass This password can be used anywhere that individual user or mailing list administrator passwords are required, giving the mailman site administrator the ability to adjust these things when necessary. You may also want to create a password for the site-wide "list creator" role (someone other than the site administrator who as privileges to create and remove lists through the web). Use the -c option to mmsitepass to set this. But I am sure you have been too busy to read that document. >I am reading your documentation for an hour for that!! >Not clear... to say the least. I did not realise that using open software at no charge and with no charge for support had become compulsory. You have my sympathy at such an imposition. >St?phane Comtois >stephane.comtois at radikal4.com >Radikal4.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From webowner at cybertwinks.com Mon Jun 23 22:41:20 2003 From: webowner at cybertwinks.com (Webmaster - CyberTwinks) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:41:20 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qmail and mailman Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030623164120.00d276f0@mail.cybertwinks.com> I would like to know how mailman is supposed to work with qmail located on another server. My server doesn't have qmail installed on it. I know I am a newbie to this. I was hoping that someone can help me with this problem. I have the contrib directory installed with the program using version 2.1.2 Rod From mike at CamaroSS.net Mon Jun 23 22:45:18 2003 From: mike at CamaroSS.net (Mike Kercher) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:45:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qmail and mailman In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20030623164120.00d276f0@mail.cybertwinks.com> Message-ID: <000801c339c8$5bda2010$9c01a8c0@home.middlefinger.net> What MTA do you have running on the server where Mailman is installed? Sendmail? Postfix? Exim? -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] On Behalf Of Webmaster - CyberTwinks Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 3:41 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] qmail and mailman I would like to know how mailman is supposed to work with qmail located on another server. My server doesn't have qmail installed on it. I know I am a newbie to this. I was hoping that someone can help me with this problem. I have the contrib directory installed with the program using version 2.1.2 Rod ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: mike at camaross.net Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40camaross.net From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon Jun 23 23:01:19 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:01:19 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qmail and mailman In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20030623164120.00d276f0@mail.cybertwinks.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030623215002.03e9ecf8@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 21:41 23/06/2003, Webmaster - CyberTwinks wrote: >I would like to know how mailman is supposed to work with qmail located on >another server. My server doesn't have qmail installed on it. I know I am >a newbie to this. I was hoping that someone can help me with this problem. > I have the contrib directory installed with the program using version 2.1.2 The machine running Mailman must also run an MTA to deliver incoming mail to Mailman. An MTA on another machine cannot deliver mail to Mailman regardless of what software that MTA is. The setup of the Mailman local MTA for various type of MTA software, including qmail, is described in the various README. files in the Mailman build directory. Read on. Using SMTPDirect, Mailman can use potentially any SMTP server to send its outgoing mail, the SMTPHOST configuration variable in mm_cfg.py determining which SMTP server it uses. Being SMTP it doesn't really matter what MTA software is running on that SMTP server. >Rod ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From tobias at sc.edu Mon Jun 23 23:02:43 2003 From: tobias at sc.edu (Tobias Brasier) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:02:43 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Yahoo! Group Archive Conversion In-Reply-To: <1341.65.246.246.82.1056053632.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030619142742.02ee4328@localhost> <5.2.1.1.2.20030619142742.02ee4328@localhost> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030623165706.00b13ec0@localhost> Many thanks to everyone who responded. I am running the Perl script now, and it seems to be chugging along. It now occurs to me I don't know how to import the archive into my mailman list. I checked the Admin pages and saw nothing. Any hints? My guess is the answer may depend on my ISP. Again, many thanks. At 04:13 PM 6/19/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Tobias Brasier said: > > Does anyone have experience converting Yahoo! Group archives to mailman > > archives? Many thanks. > >Yes yes! Do a google for Yahoo2mbox.pl! :) > >I converted a highly active list (about 200 subscribers, over a period of >6 years) to mbox format just peachy :) It does, however, consume time, and >depending on the size of the list, may take a few days. > >B*B >G. From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon Jun 23 23:25:07 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:25:07 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Yahoo! Group Archive Conversion In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030623165706.00b13ec0@localhost> References: <1341.65.246.246.82.1056053632.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> <5.2.1.1.2.20030619142742.02ee4328@localhost> <5.2.1.1.2.20030619142742.02ee4328@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030623221947.03e8dc68@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 22:02 23/06/2003, Tobias Brasier wrote: >Many thanks to everyone who responded. I am running the Perl script now, >and it seems to be chugging along. It now occurs to me I don't know how to >import the archive into my mailman list. I checked the Admin pages and saw >nothing. Any hints? My guess is the answer may depend on my ISP. Assuming you are using MM's builtin pipermail archiver normal practice would be to prepend the content of mbox file containing the old material to the mbox archive of the MM list (usually $prefix/archive/private/.mbox/.mbox) and then run the MM script $prefix/bin/arch. This will build HTML archives for the list including the old material. >Again, many thanks. > >At 04:13 PM 6/19/2003 -0400, you wrote: >>Tobias Brasier said: >> > Does anyone have experience converting Yahoo! Group archives to mailman >> > archives? Many thanks. >> >>Yes yes! Do a google for Yahoo2mbox.pl! :) >> >>I converted a highly active list (about 200 subscribers, over a period of >>6 years) to mbox format just peachy :) It does, however, consume time, and >>depending on the size of the list, may take a few days. >> >>B*B >>G. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Tue Jun 24 06:25:45 2003 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 00:25:45 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Having trouble getting mail from a user to a list... In-Reply-To: <1463.65.246.245.129.1056333083.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> References: <3EF41405.3000700@David-lamotte.net> <3EF41405.3000700@David-lamotte.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030624002436.01dcee08@mail.wingfoot.org> Can anyone help me debug this? I don't understand why this one user is being discarded... :-/ Thanks, Glenn At 09:51 PM 6/22/2003 -0400, Glenn Sieb posted the following... >Here's the scenario--Mailman 2.1, ht://Dig patches, under >Postfix/SpamAssassin/Amavis > >She is a member of the list, she sees posts just fine.. she sends one and >here's a sample of what we get in the logs: > >Maillog for session: > >Jun 22 21:40:40 caduceus postfix/smtpd[81397]: connect from >imo-m01.mx.aol.com[64.12.136.4] >Jun 22 21:40:40 caduceus postfix/smtpd[81397]: C86D815233: >client=imo-m01.mx.aol.com[64.12.136.4] >Jun 22 21:40:41 caduceus postfix/cleanup[81398]: C86D815233: >message-id=<30.41cd285b.2c27b48e at aol.com> >Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus postfix/qmgr[40016]: C86D815233: >from=, size=11213, nrcpt=1 (queue active) >Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) ESMTP:10024 >/var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636: -> > Received: SIZE=11213 from >wingfoot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (caduceus.wingfoot.org >[127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 79636-05 for >; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:40:42 -0400 >(EDT) >Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) body hash: >13e0ebc76021f37c9608f5d4822c05c6 >Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) Checking: > -> >Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) Using NAI McAfee >AntiVirus (uvscan): /usr/local/bin/uvscan --secure -rv --summary --noboot >/var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636/parts >Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) run_av: >/usr/local/bin/uvscan status=0 (0 ),Scanning >/var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636/parts/*\nScanning file >/var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636/parts/part-00001\nScanning file >/var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636/parts/part-00002\nScanning file >/var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636/parts/part-00003\n\nSummary >report on >/var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636/parts/*\nFile(s)\n...Total files: >........... ...3\n...Clean: ................. ...3\n...Possibly Infected: >..... ...0 >Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) spam_scan: hits=3.8 >tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_FONT_COLOR_GRAY,HTML_FONT_COLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_FONT_FACE_ODD,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_BODY,MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAME >Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) FWD via SMTP: >[127.0.0.1:10025] -> > >Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus postfix/smtpd[81411]: connect from >localhost.wingfoot.org[127.0.0.1] >Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus postfix/smtpd[81411]: C47C215251: >client=localhost.wingfoot.org[127.0.0.1] >Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus postfix/cleanup[81398]: C47C215251: >message-id=<30.41cd285b.2c27b48e at aol.com> >Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus postfix/qmgr[40016]: C47C215251: >from=, size=11669, nrcpt=1 (queue active) >Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) Passed, > -> , >Message-ID: <30.41cd285b.2c27b48e at aol.com> >Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus postfix/smtpd[81411]: disconnect from >localhost.wingfoot.org[127.0.0.1] >Jun 22 21:40:43 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) TIMING [total 1025 ms] >- SMTP EHLO: 1 (0%), SMTP pre-MAIL: 0 (0%), SMTP pre-DATA-flush: 3 (0%), >SMTP DATA: 191 (19%), body hash: 1 (0%), mime_decode: 27 (3%), >get-file-type: 22 (2%), get-file-type: 20 (2%), get-file-type: 20 (2%), >decompose_part: 1 (0%), decompose_part: 0 (0%), decompose_part: 0 (0%), >parts: 0 (0%), AV-scan-1: 389 (38%), SA msg read: 2 (0%), SA parse: 1 >(0%), SA check: 57 (6%), fwd-connect: 17 (2%), fwd-mail-from: 2 (0%), >fwd-rcpt-to: 2 (0%), write-header: 4 (0%), fwd-data: 5 (0%), fwd-rundown: >105 (10%), unlink-3-files: 156 (15%), rundown: 0 (0%) >Jun 22 21:40:43 caduceus postfix/smtp[81399]: C86D815233: >to=, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1], >delay=3, status=sent (250 2.6.0 Ok, id=79636-05, from MTA: 250 Ok: queued >as C47C215251) >Jun 22 21:40:43 caduceus postfix/pipe[81412]: C47C215251: >to=, relay=mailman, delay=1, >status=sent (lists.wingfoot.org) >Jun 22 21:40:43 caduceus postfix/smtpd[81397]: disconnect from >imo-m01.mx.aol.com[64.12.136.4] > >Vette log (what *is* Vette for anyway?--it was the only log file to change >during this) > >Jun 22 21:40:43 2003 (74116) Message discarded, msgid: ><30.41cd285b.2c27b48e at aol.com> > >We've deleted her account, recreated it, and reapproved her sub--and she's >still being "discarded".. what would cause this? If I'm missing any >helpful info here, please let me know... > >Thanks, >Glenn > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: ges+lists at wingfoot.org >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ges%2Blists%40wingfoot.org --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2003 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear "Religion is for those who do what they are told regardless of what is right. Spirituality is for those who do what is right regardless of what they are told." -- unattributed From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Jun 24 12:02:15 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:02:15 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages being labeled as spam In-Reply-To: <6547A5AF6882D6118FC100065B8872071F6B56@msp101.nysia.org> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030624103448.03ca5ab0@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 20:17 23/06/2003, Jaswinder S. Hayre wrote: >Guys, > >We are using Mailman to send messages to a little more than 6000 members but >we are realizing a problem. The messages which are delivered by Mailman >have no specific address in the To: field. They do have a specific address in the To: header, that of the list to which the post was directed. >But instead it contains >something like listname at hostname. Some spam filters label mail delivered in >this fashion as being spam. This prevents our message from actually >reaching the end user even though we have an "opt-in" system. A questionable practice. In much normal email the destination on the mail wrapper and the To: header value of a piece of mail are not the same. Indeed I would suggest that any spam detector is broken that applies the test that the destination on the mail wrapper must be the same as the value of the To: header. >Why does Mailman do this? Because it is entirely normal. >And is there a way to have the To: field be the >actual address that the message is being delivered to? If you are prepared to take the performance hit and you are running MM 2.1.x then you can do the following: 1. Assign a 'true' value to the MM configuration variable OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py 2. run $prefix/bin/mailmanctl restart 3. Go to the Non-digest options page of any of your lists and for the option "Should Mailman personalize each non-digest delivery?" select the "Full personalization" radio button. Then click the "Submit your changes" button. 4. Then sit back and watch the load rise on your outgoing MTA. It is worth reading the details of this Non-digest option as with it set up this way, Mailman will pass outgoing mail as a new message to the outgoing for each list member. >Regards, >Jas ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From wash at wananchi.com Tue Jun 24 12:31:11 2003 From: wash at wananchi.com (ODHIAMBO Washington) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:31:11 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1.2 (htdig???) Message-ID: <20030624103111.GL51087@ns2.wananchi.com> Did Richard finally include his htdig (etc..) patches in 2.1.2? I haven't seen them at the SF download site. cheers - wash +----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE) | http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/ . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St., | GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI | +---------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Jun 24 13:12:28 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:12:28 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1.2 (htdig???) In-Reply-To: <20030624103111.GL51087@ns2.wananchi.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030624114907.03ca8330@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 11:31 24/06/2003, ODHIAMBO Washington wrote: >Did Richard finally include his htdig (etc..) patches in 2.1.2? >I haven't seen them at the SF download site. > They have not been folded into the main MM source and the patches are still available on sourceforge. In total I would advise you to apply the following to MM 2.1.2: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=728836&group_id=103&atid=100103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=730769&group_id=103&atid=100103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=732366&group_id=103&atid=100103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103 #730769 and #732766 are not mandatory but do fix bugs extant in MM 2.1.2 #728836, #730769 and #732766 are shown as being closed but that is because they have been incorporated in the CVS and will thus be unnecessary in MM 2.1.3 (when it is published) but they are applicable MM 2.1.2 > cheers > - wash >+----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ >Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE) | >http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/ . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St., | >GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI | >+---------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ >"Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" > --from a /. post ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From jonas at freesources.org Tue Jun 24 15:19:28 2003 From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:19:28 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1.2 (htdig???) In-Reply-To: <20030624103111.GL51087@ns2.wananchi.com> References: <20030624103111.GL51087@ns2.wananchi.com> Message-ID: <20030624131928.GG8544@freesources.org> On 24/06/2003 ODHIAMBO Washington wrote: > Did Richard finally include his htdig (etc..) patches in 2.1.2? > I haven't seen them at the SF download site. i propose to use another external archiver like lurker. lurker has a very mighty search function and provides many more options. see http://lurker.sourceforge.net/ i didn't get lurker to run with mailman yet, but once i did, i'll add an entry to the mailman faq. maybe someone else is faster ;) bye mejo -- Efficiency and progess is ours one more Now that we have the Neutron bomb It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030624/a8734029/attachment.pgp From rjones at email.unc.edu Tue Jun 24 16:56:09 2003 From: rjones at email.unc.edu (Russell P Jones) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing Archives... Message-ID: Anyone got a good solution for removing archives? Im quite the newbie. Russ From rulesninja at myrealbox.com Mon Jun 23 23:09:53 2003 From: rulesninja at myrealbox.com (Dan Wright US2002021042) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:09:53 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Yahoo! Group Archive Conversion In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030623165706.00b13ec0@localhost> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030619142742.02ee4328@localhost> <5.2.1.1.2.20030619142742.02ee4328@localhost> <5.2.1.1.2.20030623165706.00b13ec0@localhost> Message-ID: <1056402302.27928.1896.camel@mortis.homelinux.com> ~mailman/bin/arch listname file.mbox On Mon, 2003-06-23 at 17:02, Tobias Brasier wrote: > Many thanks to everyone who responded. I am running the Perl script now, > and it seems to be chugging along. It now occurs to me I don't know how to > import the archive into my mailman list. I checked the Admin pages and saw > nothing. Any hints? My guess is the answer may depend on my ISP. > > Again, many thanks. > > At 04:13 PM 6/19/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >Tobias Brasier said: > > > Does anyone have experience converting Yahoo! Group archives to mailman > > > archives? Many thanks. > > > >Yes yes! Do a google for Yahoo2mbox.pl! :) > > > >I converted a highly active list (about 200 subscribers, over a period of > >6 years) to mbox format just peachy :) It does, however, consume time, and > >depending on the size of the list, may take a few days. > > > >B*B > >G. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: listmod at camarilla.white-wolf.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/listmod%40camarilla.white-wolf.com -- --(Dan Wright)- -- ---- ----------------- --- -- - - -- East Central ARST-Sabbat -- Venue SOP #Cam-Mage -- AIM: rulesninja -- Email: rulesninja at myrealbox.com -- The Rules Ninja's Web Resource: http://cheezl.net/rulesninja --(US2002021042)-- ---- ------------------------------- --- -- - - From C.Fleischmann at audio-map.de Tue Jun 24 10:32:12 2003 From: C.Fleischmann at audio-map.de (Christian Fleischmann) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:32:12 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error using list_members Message-ID: <012B4A24C33AF44D902806F6E094AC99256432@audio-srv2.in.audiomap.de> Hello, I have problems with two list on my mailman. I couldn't dump the members with list_members. I got the following error message: ~~~ Traceback (most recent call last): File "./bin/list_members", line 232, in ? main() File "./bin/list_members", line 207, in main s = formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace') UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) ~~~ Please help me Regards Chris From flafry at yahoo.com Tue Jun 24 17:47:16 2003 From: flafry at yahoo.com (Debbie Fry) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman features Message-ID: <20030624154716.32137.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> I have a client who uses your Mailman to distribute messages to his list members. He would like to do two things: 1) embed html into the messages (font changes, images) 2) export the member list to CSV format (or similar ASCII file) Can he do either of these in Mailman? If you'd like to put his name on your inthenews.htm page, his name is Senator David Aronberg, site URL www.davearonberg.com Thanks so much, Debbie Sun Creations Web Design www.suncreations.biz debbiefry at suncreations.biz 321-773-9662 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! From roger.flammang at amerisoft.net Tue Jun 24 00:29:52 2003 From: roger.flammang at amerisoft.net (PMPro) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:29:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Target Member E-mail addresses Message-ID: <001401c339d6$f80a1220$1a60540c@0brl8> ..hope someone can help me out.... I've created a list named 'pmtargets'. When I send an e-mail to the list, each recipient has the list name in the 'To:' field of the received e-mail rther than his/her e-mail address as it appears on the list. Anyway I can force the recipient's actual email address to appear in the 'To:' field? Regards, Roger From fs654321 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 24 17:51:47 2003 From: fs654321 at yahoo.com (abo mishaal) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:51:47 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Q Please . Message-ID: <012901c33a68$85d75f40$569476d4@ana> Dear sir . hi how many e-mail can the Mailman deal with . because i have 58000 email on my site . and what is the maximum number using Maillman you have seen . best regards abo mishaal From jwalcik at mail.utexas.edu Tue Jun 24 21:59:46 2003 From: jwalcik at mail.utexas.edu (jacob walcik) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:59:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages aren't being delivered to users, but are in the archive Message-ID: <675D0082-A67E-11D7-B80F-000393914A3A@mail.utexas.edu> hello i just installed mailman 2.0.9 on redhat 7.3, and i've run into a snag. i created a new list called "test", added the aliases for it to /etc/procmail/aliases, ran "postalias /etc/procmail/aliases", and then sent a message to my newly created list. i can see the message in the archive, and i can see in my maillog where the message was piped out to the wrapper script, but i haven't received the message at either of the accounts that i subscribed to the list. i don't see any errors in /var/log/messages, the check_perms script comes back clean, and i don't have a "logs" directory in /var/mailman as the faq states i should. does anyone have any suggestions? (if someone can tell me how to enable mailman's logging, i'd appreciate that as well) thanks! -- jacob walcik jwalcik at mail.utexas.edu From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Jun 24 22:20:58 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:20:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages aren't being delivered to users, but are in the archive In-Reply-To: <675D0082-A67E-11D7-B80F-000393914A3A@mail.utexas.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030624211242.03d21878@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 20:59 24/06/2003, jacob walcik wrote: >hello > >i just installed mailman 2.0.9 on redhat 7.3, and i've run into a snag. > >i created a new list called "test", added the aliases for it to >/etc/procmail/aliases, ran "postalias /etc/procmail/aliases", and then >sent a message to my newly created list. > >i can see the message in the archive, and i can see in my maillog where >the message was piped out to the wrapper script, but i haven't received >the message at either of the accounts that i subscribed to the list. > >i don't see any errors in /var/log/messages, the check_perms script comes >back clean, and i don't have a "logs" directory in /var/mailman as the faq >states i should. does anyone have any suggestions? (if someone can tell >me how to enable mailman's logging, i'd appreciate that as well) > >thanks! The message is probably lodged in $prefix/qfiles. Did you install the mailman user's crontab. Without the qrunner, which is a cron job, no mail will pass through Mailman. Try installing the crontab in $prefix/cron/crontab.in as the mailman uid's crontab Also you are way out of date with the MM version you are running. The last version of was MM 2.0.x was 2.0.13 which was released nearly a year ago and that has superceded this year by MM 2.1.x which is up to 2.1.2. You should certainly consider upgrading although this is probably not the reason for your problem. >-- >jacob walcik >jwalcik at mail.utexas.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From jwalcik at mail.utexas.edu Tue Jun 24 23:08:26 2003 From: jwalcik at mail.utexas.edu (jacob walcik) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:08:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages aren't being delivered to users, but are in the archive In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030624211242.03d21878@mail.openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: yup, the mailman user's crontab was installed as part of the rpm installation, and i've also tried running qrunner manually w/ the command it's issuing, and i don't receive any errors. assuming mailman's home is /var/mailman, where would i look for the "qfiles" file. a "find ./ -name "qfiles" -print" from /var/mailman doesn't return anything. this is actually the version of mailman that shipped w/ redhat 7.3. i've got it running on a different machine that was installed via the same process. i wouldn't necessarily have any issues w/ upgrading to the 2.1 branch (the automatic attachment and html email filtering would be nice), but i'd still like to know if there's any particular reason why this isn't working. On Tuesday, Jun 24, 2003, at 15:20 US/Central, Richard Barrett wrote: > At 20:59 24/06/2003, jacob walcik wrote: >> hello >> >> i just installed mailman 2.0.9 on redhat 7.3, and i've run into a >> snag. >> >> i created a new list called "test", added the aliases for it to >> /etc/procmail/aliases, ran "postalias /etc/procmail/aliases", and >> then sent a message to my newly created list. >> >> i can see the message in the archive, and i can see in my maillog >> where the message was piped out to the wrapper script, but i haven't >> received the message at either of the accounts that i subscribed to >> the list. >> >> i don't see any errors in /var/log/messages, the check_perms script >> comes back clean, and i don't have a "logs" directory in /var/mailman >> as the faq states i should. does anyone have any suggestions? (if >> someone can tell me how to enable mailman's logging, i'd appreciate >> that as well) >> >> thanks! > > The message is probably lodged in $prefix/qfiles. > > Did you install the mailman user's crontab. Without the qrunner, which > is a cron job, no mail will pass through Mailman. Try installing the > crontab in $prefix/cron/crontab.in as the mailman uid's crontab > > Also you are way out of date with the MM version you are running. The > last version of was MM 2.0.x was 2.0.13 which was released nearly a > year ago and that has superceded this year by MM 2.1.x which is up to > 2.1.2. You should certainly consider upgrading although this is > probably not the reason for your problem. > >> -- >> jacob walcik >> jwalcik at mail.utexas.edu > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > Richard Barrett > http://www.openinfo.co.uk > > -- jacob walcik jwalcik at mail.utexas.edu From webowner at cybertwinks.com Tue Jun 24 23:21:04 2003 From: webowner at cybertwinks.com (Webmaster - CyberTwinks) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:21:04 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qmail vs. sendmail Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030624172104.00cb48e8@mail.cybertwinks.com> Hi Gang, I don't have qmail installed on my server, and too much of a hassel to do so, so I am planning on using mailman with send mail. I am getting a little confused with setting up though. This is the part that getts me a little baffled ## ## Redirect mail to the standard Mailman admin addresses to the ## master admin address. (Midway.uchicago.edu is our site's central ## mail-routing server, and it carries aliases for maintenance groups. ## Not a good plan to entrust Mailman maintenance mail to Mailman.) ## mailman at listhost.uchicago.edu mailman-owner at midway.uchicago.edu mailman-owner at listhost.uchicago.edu mailman-owner at midway.uchicago.edu Tell me if I get this right mailman at gayteenboy.net mailman-owner at gayteenboy.net mailman-owner at gayteenboy.net mailman-owner at gayteenboy.net ## ## These addresses are required or recommended either by convention ## or by RFC 2142, "Mailbox Names for Common Services, Roles and ## Functions". Honor them. ## MAILER-DAEMON at listhost.uchicago.edu mailman-owner at midway.uchicago.edu postmaster at listhost.uchicago.edu mailman-owner at midway.uchicago.edu webmaster at listhost.uchicago.edu mailman-owner at midway.uchicago.edu abuse at listhost.uchicago.edu sun-admin at midway.uchicago.edu root at listhost.uchicago.edu sun-admin at midway.uchicago.edu and this list-admin at gayteenboy.net mailman-owner at gayteenboy.net list-request at gayteenboy.net mailman-owner at gayteenboy.net or postmaster at gayteenboy.net mailman-owner at gayteenboy.net abuse at gayteenboy.net mailman-owner at gayteenboy.net root at gayteenboy.net mailman-owner at gayteenboy.net Can someone let me know Rod From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Jun 25 00:19:46 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:19:46 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages aren't being delivered to users, but are in the archive In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030624211242.03d21878@mail.openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030624225559.03d25020@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 22:08 24/06/2003, jacob walcik wrote: >yup, the mailman user's crontab was installed as part of the rpm >installation, and i've also tried running qrunner manually w/ the >command it's issuing, and i don't receive any errors. > >assuming mailman's home is /var/mailman, where would i look for the >"qfiles" file. a "find ./ -name "qfiles" -print" from /var/mailman >doesn't return anything. Given your install in /var/mailman and a normal MM 2.0.x install there should be a directory called /var/mailman/qfiles. The script in /var/mailman/scripts takes delivery of incoming messages from the MTA creates a .msg and a .db file in that directory. The qrunner subsequently takes those files and processes them, sending mail out etc. The actual qfiles directory used for enqueueing incoming messages is defined by the config variable QUEUE_DIR in $prefx/Mailman/Defaults.py or possibly (and unusually) overridden $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. If that directory doesn't exist then something in your install may be screwed. But looking again at your original post you say the message is getting into the archives. That says the message is passing through qfiles, being picked up by the qrunner and so you would expect there to be some trace of its progress in one of Mailman's log files. But you say the directory says $prefix/logs doesn't exist. The log file directory is defined by the config variable LOG_DIR in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py or possibly (and unusually) overridden $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. If that directory doesn't exist then something in your install may be screwed. What value does the config variable DELIVERY_MODULE in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py or possibly overridden $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py have and also SMTPHOST. Are there are no logs and no sign of what is happening exists in MM's error, post, smtp and smtp-failure logs. >this is actually the version of mailman that shipped w/ redhat 7.3. >i've got it running on a different machine that was installed via the >same process. i wouldn't necessarily have any issues w/ upgrading to >the 2.1 branch (the automatic attachment and html email filtering would >be nice), but i'd still like to know if there's any particular reason >why this isn't working. > >On Tuesday, Jun 24, 2003, at 15:20 US/Central, Richard Barrett wrote: > >>At 20:59 24/06/2003, jacob walcik wrote: >>>hello >>> >>>i just installed mailman 2.0.9 on redhat 7.3, and i've run into a >>>snag. >>> >>>i created a new list called "test", added the aliases for it to >>>/etc/procmail/aliases, ran "postalias /etc/procmail/aliases", and >>>then sent a message to my newly created list. >>> >>>i can see the message in the archive, and i can see in my maillog >>>where the message was piped out to the wrapper script, but i haven't >>>received the message at either of the accounts that i subscribed to >>>the list. >>> >>>i don't see any errors in /var/log/messages, the check_perms script >>>comes back clean, and i don't have a "logs" directory in /var/mailman >>>as the faq states i should. does anyone have any suggestions? (if >>>someone can tell me how to enable mailman's logging, i'd appreciate >>>that as well) >>> >>>thanks! >> >>The message is probably lodged in $prefix/qfiles. >> >>Did you install the mailman user's crontab. Without the qrunner, which >>is a cron job, no mail will pass through Mailman. Try installing the >>crontab in $prefix/cron/crontab.in as the mailman uid's crontab >> >>Also you are way out of date with the MM version you are running. The >>last version of was MM 2.0.x was 2.0.13 which was released nearly a >>year ago and that has superceded this year by MM 2.1.x which is up to >>2.1.2. You should certainly consider upgrading although this is >>probably not the reason for your problem. >> >>>-- >>>jacob walcik >>>jwalcik at mail.utexas.edu >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>------- >>Richard Barrett >>http://www.openinfo.co.uk >> >-- >jacob walcik >jwalcik at mail.utexas.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From djart at linux.gr Wed Jun 25 00:44:22 2003 From: djart at linux.gr (DJ Art) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:44:22 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Procmail Lockfiles before Mailman Message-ID: <200306250143.07631.djart@linux.gr> Hello, I have set up Procmail, so that it fiters all the incoming mails, pipes them to spamassassin and then feeds them to the mailman wrapper. Something like this (it's also described in the python.org FAQ): /etc/mail/aliases: mylist: "/usr/bin/procmail -m MAILMAN=mylist /etc/procmailrc" /etc/procmailrc: :0fw | /usr/bin/spamc -myoptions :0 * ^TO_.*@lists.mydomain |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post ${MAILMAN} Now, check out these two: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#4.23 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#4.15 In the first case, the procmailrc rule uses a lockfile, but in the second case, it doesn't. I am 90% sure that the rule: :0 * ^TO_.*@lists.mydomain |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post ${MAILMAN} doesn't need any procmail lockfile because wrapper knows what to do when two or more e-mails arrive simultaneously (at exactly the same time). Am I right ?? I am only 10% not sure because one of the FAQ examples uses a procmail lockfile. I think it's wrong. -- Kyritsis Athanasios Studying Electrical & Computer Engineering @ Univ. of Patras, Greece From andre at abrapiv.com.br Wed Jun 25 03:08:35 2003 From: andre at abrapiv.com.br (Andre Ricardo) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:08:35 -0300 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bad Marshal? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I need some help. Im using mailman 2.1.2 on a solaris sparc 7 box. Python 2.2.2. is installed. The folloing messages apears: hangar% Traceback (most recent call last): File "/export/hangar/gp/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? main() File "/export/hangar/gp/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main qrunner.run() File "/export/hangar/gp/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run filecnt = self._oneloop() File "/export/hangar/gp/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in _oneloop msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/export/hangar/gp/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 144, in dequeue data = self._ext_read(dbfile) File "/export/hangar/gp/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 246, in _ext_read dict = marshal.load(fp) ValueError: bad marshal data And one of my lists is not working. Any clue of what is going on? Thanks in advance. []s Andre Ricardo Righetto ABRAPIV - http://www.abrapiv.com.br/ VBA - http://www.flyvba.com.br/ FABv - http://www.voefab.com.br/ Vamos filhos altivos dos ares Nosso v?o ousado al?ar... From sarma at gwup.com Wed Jun 25 06:10:20 2003 From: sarma at gwup.com (Amardeo Sarma) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:10:20 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Starting qrunner for FreeBSD Message-ID: <3EF93CCC.9083.518F12F@localhost> Hi, I am a newbie and running Mailman 2.1.1 on FreeBSD 4.7 / VPSv2, which works with the old technique of running qrunner every minute from cron. The INSTALL instructions give some hints on how to start the qrunner daemon at startup time (apparently the preferred mode for 2.1.x), but this seems geared to Linux. I would appreciate any hints on what the best solution for FreeBSD systems is. Amardeo. -- Amardeo Sarma sarma at gwup.com From goetz.reinicke at filmakademie.de Wed Jun 25 14:57:01 2003 From: goetz.reinicke at filmakademie.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6tz_Reinicke?=) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:57:01 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to set up just an information-list Message-ID: <3EF99C1D.1000102@filmakademie.de> Hi, what I want is to configure an existing list that way, that only the staff can post to it, but not the subscribed students themselves. Is this the way to do this: Add the staff by "Privacy options" -> "sender filters" -> "Non-member filters" Set all students in the "Membership Management" -> "Membership List" to moderated and set "discard" for "member_moderation_action" in the "Privacy options". Thanks for any tips and hints! regards G?tz Reinicke -- G?tz Reinicke IT Koordinator - IT OfficeNet Tel. +49 (0) 7141 - 969 420 Fax +49 (0) 7141 - 969 55 420 goetz.reinicke at filmakademie.de Filmakademie Baden-W?rttemberg Mathildenstr. 20 71638 Ludwigsburg www.filmakademie.de From francesco at buenaventura.it Wed Jun 25 04:04:37 2003 From: francesco at buenaventura.it (Francesco Ronzon - Circolo Culturale Oficina di Buenaventura) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:04:37 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] thanks for mailman! Message-ID: <33118.217.133.189.134.1056506677.squirrel@www.dantealighieri.net> Yes, thank you. We are using mailman to keep in touch with the 3000 members of our non-profit private cultural center: Circolo Culturale Buenaventura, Castelfranco Veneto, Italy http://www.buenaventura.it/ feel free to cite our site in your presentation pages. Thank you again Francesco From michael at zeus.firewing.org Wed Jun 25 06:57:46 2003 From: michael at zeus.firewing.org (John Michael Mars) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Starting qrunner for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <3EF93CCC.9083.518F12F@localhost> Message-ID: There is not BSD specific documentation in there. I was thinking about submitting a patch for anyone who wants it... Basically, (I use OpenBSD), you need to set this stuff in /etc/rc.local and /etc/rc.shutdown instead of /etc/rc.d/init.d. BSDs are BSDish. Linux is SysVish. The layout of some of the file system (including config files) is a bit different. Linux, being the most popular, is the one that typically gets documented and BSDers just have to get to it themselves. - JMM On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Amardeo Sarma wrote: > Hi, > > I am a newbie and running Mailman 2.1.1 on FreeBSD 4.7 / VPSv2, which works > with the old technique of running qrunner every minute from cron. The INSTALL > instructions give some hints on how to start the qrunner daemon at startup time > (apparently the preferred mode for 2.1.x), but this seems geared to Linux. I > would appreciate any hints on what the best solution for FreeBSD systems is. > > Amardeo. > > -- > Amardeo Sarma > sarma at gwup.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: michael at firewing.org > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/michael%40firewing.org > From webowner at cybertwinks.com Wed Jun 25 16:25:24 2003 From: webowner at cybertwinks.com (Webmaster - CyberTwinks) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:25:24 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up sendmail to use mailman Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030625102524.00cbca08@mail.cybertwinks.com> Hi Gang, I don't have qmail installed on my server, and too much of a hassel to do so, so I am planning on using mailman with send mail. I am getting a little confused with setting up though. This is the part that getts me a little baffled ## ## Redirect mail to the standard Mailman admin addresses to the ## master admin address. (Midway.uchicago.edu is our site's central ## mail-routing server, and it carries aliases for maintenance groups. ## Not a good plan to entrust Mailman maintenance mail to Mailman.) ## mailman at listhost.uchicago.edu mailman-owner at midway.uchicago.edu mailman-owner at listhost.uchicago.edu mailman-owner at midway.uchicago.edu Tell me if I get this right mailman at gayteenboy.net mailman-owner at gayteenboy.net mailman-owner at gayteenboy.net mailman-owner at gayteenboy.net ## ## These addresses are required or recommended either by convention ## or by RFC 2142, "Mailbox Names for Common Services, Roles and ## Functions". Honor them. ## MAILER-DAEMON at listhost.uchicago.edu mailman-owner at midway.uchicago.edu postmaster at listhost.uchicago.edu mailman-owner at midway.uchicago.edu webmaster at listhost.uchicago.edu mailman-owner at midway.uchicago.edu abuse at listhost.uchicago.edu sun-admin at midway.uchicago.edu root at listhost.uchicago.edu sun-admin at midway.uchicago.edu and this list-admin at gayteenboy.net mailman-owner at gayteenboy.net list-request at gayteenboy.net mailman-owner at gayteenboy.net or postmaster at gayteenboy.net mailman-owner at gayteenboy.net abuse at gayteenboy.net mailman-owner at gayteenboy.net root at gayteenboy.net mailman-owner at gayteenboy.net Can someone let me know Rod From simon.harrison at becta.org.uk Wed Jun 25 16:57:52 2003 From: simon.harrison at becta.org.uk (Simon Harrison) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:57:52 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing people by email Message-ID: <37C2EF59D00B03419D3BC161B1CBB6EE3322AE@Cov1MB1.becta.org.uk> Hi, We would like to subscribe people to Mailman 2.1.2 using a form on one of our websites that will generate an email to the request address with a subscribe request, however we do not want Mailman to send confirmation to each email address subscribed nor do we want to have to approve each request manually. Is there a way of achieving this, perhaps by including an approval password in the body of the message so that subscribe requests are automatically approved without the need for a confirm. Thanks, Simon Becta Internet Services ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** From jwalcik at mail.utexas.edu Wed Jun 25 17:39:29 2003 From: jwalcik at mail.utexas.edu (jacob walcik) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:39:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages aren't being delivered to users, but are in the archive In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030624225559.03d25020@mail.openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <359BE586-A723-11D7-88FB-000393914A3A@mail.utexas.edu> alright, upgraded to 2.1.2 as per the recommendation in the original response. same problem continues, but now i've actually got error messages from the logs to share. from logs/smtp: Jun 25 10:23:12 2003 (11504) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused') Jun 25 10:23:12 2003 (11504) All recipients refused: please run connect() first Jun 25 10:23:12 2003 (11504) smtp for 2 recips, completed in 0.037 seconds from Defaults.py (not overridden in mm_cfg.py): SMTPHOST = 'localhost' and DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' where is the "All recipients refused" message coming from? postfix's log shows the message going through just fine: Jun 25 10:23:12 dastardly postfix/local[11553]: B03606000E: to=, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent ("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test") On Tuesday, Jun 24, 2003, at 17:19 US/Central, Richard Barrett wrote: > At 22:08 24/06/2003, jacob walcik wrote: >> yup, the mailman user's crontab was installed as part of the rpm >> installation, and i've also tried running qrunner manually w/ the >> command it's issuing, and i don't receive any errors. >> >> assuming mailman's home is /var/mailman, where would i look for the >> "qfiles" file. a "find ./ -name "qfiles" -print" from /var/mailman >> doesn't return anything. > > Given your install in /var/mailman and a normal MM 2.0.x install there > should be a directory called /var/mailman/qfiles. The script in > /var/mailman/scripts takes delivery of incoming messages from the MTA > creates a .msg and a .db file in that directory. The qrunner > subsequently takes those files and processes them, sending mail out > etc. > > The actual qfiles directory used for enqueueing incoming messages is > defined by the config variable QUEUE_DIR in $prefx/Mailman/Defaults.py > or possibly (and unusually) overridden $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. If > that directory doesn't exist then something in your install may be > screwed. > > But looking again at your original post you say the message is getting > into the archives. That says the message is passing through qfiles, > being picked up by the qrunner and so you would expect there to be > some trace of its progress in one of Mailman's log files. > > But you say the directory says $prefix/logs doesn't exist. The log > file directory is defined by the config variable LOG_DIR in > $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py or possibly (and unusually) overridden > $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. If that directory doesn't exist then > something in your install may be screwed. > > What value does the config variable DELIVERY_MODULE in > $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py or possibly overridden > $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py have and also SMTPHOST. > > Are there are no logs and no sign of what is happening exists in MM's > error, post, smtp and smtp-failure logs. -- jacob walcik jwalcik at mail.utexas.edu From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Wed Jun 25 17:50:21 2003 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Starting qrunner for FreeBSD Message-ID: <2827.65.246.246.82.1056556221.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> John Michael Mars said: > There is not BSD specific documentation in there. I was thinking about submitting a patch for anyone who wants it... > > Basically, (I use OpenBSD), you need to set this stuff in /etc/rc.local and /etc/rc.shutdown instead of /etc/rc.d/init.d. BSDs are BSDish. Linux is SysVish. The layout of some of the file system (including config files) is a bit different. Linux, being the most popular, is the one that typically gets documented and BSDers just have to get to it themselves. In FreeBSD the startup scripts are in /usr/local/etc/rc.d --G. --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear "All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals"-Charge of the Goddess From brazda at changenet.sk Wed Jun 25 18:05:50 2003 From: brazda at changenet.sk (Norbert Brazda) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:05:50 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] vette: Message discarded Message-ID: <33fc01c33b33$aa37a450$0500000a@ws5> After upgrade to MM 2.1.2 some messages sent to our mailinglists were being shunted and some discarded. I think that shunting had to do with MIME encoding (our users write in Slovak languague that uses characters with accent in windows-1250 encoding). We disabled all content filtering, but some problems still persist. Some messages sent to some public, unmoderated mailinglists with no content filtering set are still being automatically discarded by Mailman with no notice sent to poster or listmaster. Mailinglist is set to HOLD all problematic messages (sent by non-members, etc.) and send notification to the poster and listmaster. here is piece from vette log file: === Jun 25 16:44:01 2003 (27393) Message discarded, msgid: <337f01c33b28$8d2aaa20$0500000a at ab8> === After few days of testing miscelanous settings and searching for answer on internet I gave up and removed mailinglist and recreated it. It started to work and it worked for about two months with no problem, but now again some mailinglists (others are working well) started to automatically discard messages. Seems like there the database of that mailinglists might become corrupted... Did someone else encountered such problems? Any solution? Or recommendation how to debug the problem (I am not familiar with python)? Versions: MailMan 2.1.2, Python 2.2, RedHat 7.3 Thanks for any answer, norbert brazda at changenet.sk From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Jun 25 17:56:38 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:56:38 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages aren't being delivered to users, but are in the archive In-Reply-To: <359BE586-A723-11D7-88FB-000393914A3A@mail.utexas.edu> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030624225559.03d25020@mail.openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030625164347.00ad2f98@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 16:39 25/06/2003, jacob walcik wrote: >alright, upgraded to 2.1.2 as per the recommendation in the original >response. same problem continues, but now i've actually got error >messages from the logs to share. > >from logs/smtp: >Jun 25 10:23:12 2003 (11504) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection >refused') >Jun 25 10:23:12 2003 (11504) All recipients refused: please run connect() >first >Jun 25 10:23:12 2003 (11504) > smtp for 2 recips, >completed in 0.037 seconds > >from Defaults.py (not overridden in mm_cfg.py): >SMTPHOST = 'localhost' >and >DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' > >where is the "All recipients refused" message coming from? postfix's log >shows the message going through just fine: >Jun 25 10:23:12 dastardly postfix/local[11553]: B03606000E: >to=, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent >("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test") This mail log entry apparently shows the delivery of the incoming message to Mailman. The MM post log entry seems to be saying that MM could not make a connection in order to send _out_ a message to the list's subscribers. There may also be a message in the MM smtp-failure log. You can find out what MM is trying to use for outbound message transport by looking in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py unless you have overridden these by assignments in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. Usual defaults are: DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' SMTPHOST = 'localhost' The error reported seems to indicate that Mailman is having trouble connecting to whatever outgoing mail server it is trying to communicate with.. >On Tuesday, Jun 24, 2003, at 17:19 US/Central, Richard Barrett wrote: > >>At 22:08 24/06/2003, jacob walcik wrote: >>>yup, the mailman user's crontab was installed as part of the rpm >>>installation, and i've also tried running qrunner manually w/ the >>>command it's issuing, and i don't receive any errors. >>> >>>assuming mailman's home is /var/mailman, where would i look for the >>>"qfiles" file. a "find ./ -name "qfiles" -print" from /var/mailman >>>doesn't return anything. >> >>Given your install in /var/mailman and a normal MM 2.0.x install there >>should be a directory called /var/mailman/qfiles. The script in >>/var/mailman/scripts takes delivery of incoming messages from the MTA >>creates a .msg and a .db file in that directory. The qrunner subsequently >>takes those files and processes them, sending mail out etc. >> >>The actual qfiles directory used for enqueueing incoming messages is >>defined by the config variable QUEUE_DIR in $prefx/Mailman/Defaults.py or >>possibly (and unusually) overridden $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. If that >>directory doesn't exist then something in your install may be screwed. >> >>But looking again at your original post you say the message is getting >>into the archives. That says the message is passing through qfiles, being >>picked up by the qrunner and so you would expect there to be some trace >>of its progress in one of Mailman's log files. >> >>But you say the directory says $prefix/logs doesn't exist. The log file >>directory is defined by the config variable LOG_DIR in >>$prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py or possibly (and unusually) overridden >>$prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. If that directory doesn't exist then something >>in your install may be screwed. >> >>What value does the config variable DELIVERY_MODULE in >>$prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py or possibly overridden >>$prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py have and also SMTPHOST. >> >>Are there are no logs and no sign of what is happening exists in MM's >>error, post, smtp and smtp-failure logs. >-- >jacob walcik >jwalcik at mail.utexas.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From jwalcik at mail.utexas.edu Wed Jun 25 18:28:32 2003 From: jwalcik at mail.utexas.edu (jacob walcik) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:28:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages aren't being delivered to users, but are in the archive In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030625164347.00ad2f98@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <0F8E0143-A72A-11D7-88FB-000393914A3A@mail.utexas.edu> bizarre. changing the SMTPHOST in mm_cfg.py from 'localhost' to the hostname of the server fixed it. thanks for all the help! On Wednesday, Jun 25, 2003, at 10:56 US/Central, Richard Barrett wrote: > At 16:39 25/06/2003, jacob walcik wrote: >> alright, upgraded to 2.1.2 as per the recommendation in the original >> response. same problem continues, but now i've actually got error >> messages from the logs to share. >> >> from logs/smtp: >> Jun 25 10:23:12 2003 (11504) All recipients refused: (111, >> 'Connection refused') >> Jun 25 10:23:12 2003 (11504) All recipients refused: please run >> connect() first >> Jun 25 10:23:12 2003 (11504) >> smtp for 2 >> recips, completed in 0.037 seconds >> >> from Defaults.py (not overridden in mm_cfg.py): >> SMTPHOST = 'localhost' >> and >> DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' >> >> where is the "All recipients refused" message coming from? postfix's >> log shows the message going through just fine: >> Jun 25 10:23:12 dastardly postfix/local[11553]: B03606000E: >> to=, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent >> ("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test") > > This mail log entry apparently shows the delivery of the incoming > message to Mailman. > > The MM post log entry seems to be saying that MM could not make a > connection in order to send _out_ a message to the list's subscribers. > There may also be a message in the MM smtp-failure log. > > You can find out what MM is trying to use for outbound message > transport by looking in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py unless you have > overridden these by assignments in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. Usual > defaults are: > > DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' > > SMTPHOST = 'localhost' > > The error reported seems to indicate that Mailman is having trouble > connecting to whatever outgoing mail server it is trying to > communicate with.. > > >> On Tuesday, Jun 24, 2003, at 17:19 US/Central, Richard Barrett wrote: >> >>> At 22:08 24/06/2003, jacob walcik wrote: >>>> yup, the mailman user's crontab was installed as part of the rpm >>>> installation, and i've also tried running qrunner manually w/ the >>>> command it's issuing, and i don't receive any errors. >>>> >>>> assuming mailman's home is /var/mailman, where would i look for the >>>> "qfiles" file. a "find ./ -name "qfiles" -print" from /var/mailman >>>> doesn't return anything. >>> >>> Given your install in /var/mailman and a normal MM 2.0.x install >>> there should be a directory called /var/mailman/qfiles. The script >>> in /var/mailman/scripts takes delivery of incoming messages from the >>> MTA creates a .msg and a .db file in that directory. The qrunner >>> subsequently takes those files and processes them, sending mail out >>> etc. >>> >>> The actual qfiles directory used for enqueueing incoming messages is >>> defined by the config variable QUEUE_DIR in >>> $prefx/Mailman/Defaults.py or possibly (and unusually) overridden >>> $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. If that directory doesn't exist then >>> something in your install may be screwed. >>> >>> But looking again at your original post you say the message is >>> getting into the archives. That says the message is passing through >>> qfiles, being picked up by the qrunner and so you would expect there >>> to be some trace of its progress in one of Mailman's log files. >>> >>> But you say the directory says $prefix/logs doesn't exist. The log >>> file directory is defined by the config variable LOG_DIR in >>> $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py or possibly (and unusually) overridden >>> $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. If that directory doesn't exist then >>> something in your install may be screwed. >>> >>> What value does the config variable DELIVERY_MODULE in >>> $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py or possibly overridden >>> $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py have and also SMTPHOST. >>> >>> Are there are no logs and no sign of what is happening exists in >>> MM's error, post, smtp and smtp-failure logs. >> -- >> jacob walcik >> jwalcik at mail.utexas.edu > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > Richard Barrett > http://www.openinfo.co.uk > > -- jacob walcik jwalcik at mail.utexas.edu From erecio at polywog.navpoint.com Wed Jun 25 18:53:42 2003 From: erecio at polywog.navpoint.com (E M Recio) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Line Wraps in Archives Message-ID: <50437.147.140.233.16.1056560022.squirrel@polywog.navpoint.com> I have been trying to find the patch to the archive program which allows for replacement of 

 with 
 but have been unsuccessful. If someone
could point me in the right direction I would appreciate it.
-Elmo

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From jlockard at umich.edu  Wed Jun 25 19:08:16 2003
From: jlockard at umich.edu (John Lockard)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:08:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists of lists question...
Message-ID: <20030625170816.GC1164@umich.edu>

Nope, that only tells me how to create an "umbrella list" but
doesn't tackle the important issue of only allowing members
of the sublists to post to the umbrella list.

-John

At 12:18 18/06/2003, Richard Barrett wrote:
> 
> At 19:58 18/06/2003, John Lockard wrote:
> > 
> > I have several lists that in best practice I'd like to
> > remain hierarchical.
> > 
> > 
> > Example:
> > 
> > staff.all    (all staff)
> > staff.pt     (PT staff)
> > staff.ft     (FT staff)
> > 
> > 
> > I would prefer to add full time staff members to the
> > staff.ft list only and part time staff members to the
> > staff.pt list only, and have staff.pt and staff.ft be
> > members of staff.all.  I would like to have all of the
> > staff lists be restricted so that only members of the
> > staff lists (staff.pt and staff.ft) be able to post to
> > any of the staff lists.
> > 
> > 
> > I would prefer to not have to add a full time staff
> > member to staff.all and staff.ft.  To allow a full time
> > staff member to post to staff.all I would like to be
> > able to just add him/her to the staff.ft list and not
> > have to add them to an "allow list" in staff.all.
> > 
> > 
> > Is there a way (or an easy way) to do this with Mailman?
> 
> The following page in the Mailman FAQ might give you some useful hints:
> 
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.005.htp
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Richard Barrett                                      http://www.openinfo.co.uk

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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed Jun 25 19:28:59 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:28:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists of lists question...
In-Reply-To: <20030625170816.GC1164@umich.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030625182344.00ad5eb0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 18:08 25/06/2003, John Lockard wrote:
>Nope, that only tells me how to create an "umbrella list" but
>doesn't tackle the important issue of only allowing members
>of the sublists to post to the umbrella list.

The last part of the FAQ entry under the line reading "The work-around for 
this is to setup a script that builds a Mega-list out of other lists on 
your server" is why I pointed you at that FAQ entry. What you want to do is 
going to be a problem with umbrella lists whereas he synthesised superior 
list may give you the flexibility you want on the posting front. You may 
have to edit the script presented source code but it is a start.It may not 
be that elegant but other subscribers to mailman-users are said to swear by 
it. Just a thought.

>-John
>
>At 12:18 18/06/2003, Richard Barrett wrote:
> >
> > At 19:58 18/06/2003, John Lockard wrote:
> > >
> > > I have several lists that in best practice I'd like to
> > > remain hierarchical.
> > >
> > >
> > > Example:
> > >
> > > staff.all    (all staff)
> > > staff.pt     (PT staff)
> > > staff.ft     (FT staff)
> > >
> > >
> > > I would prefer to add full time staff members to the
> > > staff.ft list only and part time staff members to the
> > > staff.pt list only, and have staff.pt and staff.ft be
> > > members of staff.all.  I would like to have all of the
> > > staff lists be restricted so that only members of the
> > > staff lists (staff.pt and staff.ft) be able to post to
> > > any of the staff lists.
> > >
> > >
> > > I would prefer to not have to add a full time staff
> > > member to staff.all and staff.ft.  To allow a full time
> > > staff member to post to staff.all I would like to be
> > > able to just add him/her to the staff.ft list and not
> > > have to add them to an "allow list" in staff.all.
> > >
> > >
> > > Is there a way (or an easy way) to do this with Mailman?
> >
> > The following page in the Mailman FAQ might give you some useful hints:
> >
> > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.005.htp
> >
> > 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Richard 
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>
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From sarma at gwup.com  Wed Jun 25 22:09:03 2003
From: sarma at gwup.com (Amardeo Sarma)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:09:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Starting qrunner for FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: 
References: <3EF93CCC.9083.518F12F@localhost>
Message-ID: <3EFA1D7F.26753.35C814E@localhost>

On 24 Jun 2003 at 21:57, John Michael Mars wrote:

> There is not BSD specific documentation in there. I was thinking about
> submitting a patch for anyone who wants it...
> 
> Basically, (I use OpenBSD), you need to set this stuff in /etc/rc.local
> and /etc/rc.shutdown instead of /etc/rc.d/init.d. BSDs are BSDish. Linux
> is SysVish. The layout of some of the file system (including config files)
> is a bit different. Linux, being the most popular, is the one that
> typically gets documented and BSDers just have to get to it themselves.
> 

Anyone have an idea why on running "bin/mailmanctl start" from the $prefix 
directory (again FreeBSD) I get the error message:

Site list is missing: mailman

?

Amardeo.

> - JMM
> 
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Amardeo Sarma wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am a newbie and running Mailman 2.1.1 on FreeBSD 4.7 / VPSv2, which works
> > with the old technique of running qrunner every minute from cron. The INSTALL
> > instructions give some hints on how to start the qrunner daemon at startup time
> > (apparently the preferred mode for 2.1.x), but this seems geared to Linux. I
> > would appreciate any hints on what the best solution for FreeBSD systems is.
> >
> > Amardeo.
> >
> > --
> > Amardeo Sarma
> > sarma at gwup.com
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
> > This message was sent to: michael at firewing.org
> > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/michael%40firewing.org
> >
> 
> 

-- 
Amardeo Sarma
sarma at gwup.com




From adaml at jbase.com  Wed Jun 25 22:11:55 2003
From: adaml at jbase.com (Adam Lipson)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:11:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Starting qrunner for FreeBSD
Message-ID: 

run bin/newlist mailman and this list will be created and then you will be able to start up mailman with bin/mailmanctl start.

Adam

-----Original Message-----
From: Amardeo Sarma [mailto:sarma at gwup.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 4:09 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Starting qrunner for FreeBSD


On 24 Jun 2003 at 21:57, John Michael Mars wrote:

> There is not BSD specific documentation in there. I was thinking about
> submitting a patch for anyone who wants it...
> 
> Basically, (I use OpenBSD), you need to set this stuff in /etc/rc.local
> and /etc/rc.shutdown instead of /etc/rc.d/init.d. BSDs are BSDish. Linux
> is SysVish. The layout of some of the file system (including config files)
> is a bit different. Linux, being the most popular, is the one that
> typically gets documented and BSDers just have to get to it themselves.
> 

Anyone have an idea why on running "bin/mailmanctl start" from the $prefix 
directory (again FreeBSD) I get the error message:

Site list is missing: mailman

?

Amardeo.

> - JMM
> 
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Amardeo Sarma wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am a newbie and running Mailman 2.1.1 on FreeBSD 4.7 / VPSv2, which works
> > with the old technique of running qrunner every minute from cron. The INSTALL
> > instructions give some hints on how to start the qrunner daemon at startup time
> > (apparently the preferred mode for 2.1.x), but this seems geared to Linux. I
> > would appreciate any hints on what the best solution for FreeBSD systems is.
> >
> > Amardeo.
> >
> > --
> > Amardeo Sarma
> > sarma at gwup.com
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
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> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
> > This message was sent to: michael at firewing.org
> > Unsubscribe or change your options at
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> >
> 
> 

-- 
Amardeo Sarma
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From kc9aoy at mchsi.com  Wed Jun 25 22:15:22 2003
From: kc9aoy at mchsi.com (Stephen Smith)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:15:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <001901c33b56$832a9ca0$0200a8c0@mycomputer>

Hello I have a problem or question I suppose.  I setup my mailman using an RPM.  It appeared to install with no issues.  The mailman.conf file is correct and has been correctly configured to be called by httpd.conf.

The problem is that if I try to connect using http://192.168.0.102/mailman/listinfo  I keep getting Forbidden errors.  Nothing with mailman will work.  Am I missing something or is there something else I need to do.  Apparently it recognizes the pages or I would get page not found errors instead.

Please give me the proper direction to head to fix this problem.

I did create a test list prior to trying to connect.  And I also tried http://192.168.0.102/mailman/test/listinfo just to be sure and it also produced Forbidden access error pages.

Please help.

Thanks,
Steve Smith

BTW - if you want to check it out from outside - use http://ke4mdx.com/whatever

Maybe I just don't know now to use mailman as the site owner.

From multimedia-fan at myrealbox.com  Thu Jun 26 01:08:10 2003
From: multimedia-fan at myrealbox.com (multimedia-fan at myrealbox.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:08:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question About List subscription.
Message-ID: 

Installed Mailman, and everything so far looks OK.

One thing that is bothering me, and I have seen this on lists that I
subscribed to in the past that were using Mailman.

Upon going to the list info page and signing up using a an email and
password, the request is taking forever to be sent to the list admin and
the confirmation sent to the user, is there some setting that I can
change somewhere to have that done immediately?

Sorry if I missed that in the documentation or the FAQ, I can't seem to
find this.

Thank you.




From jiangds at cisp.org.cn  Thu Jun 26 03:10:44 2003
From: jiangds at cisp.org.cn (jiands)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:10:44 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] make big5 translate errors
References: <3EF99C1D.1000102@filmakademie.de>
Message-ID: <001b01c33b7f$c6715f70$42b463d3@testi2df6d728c>

Hi, list,

I try to run make  in messages of mailman2.1.21 src directory for big5.
It outcomes an error:

[root at list messages]# make
/usr/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o big5/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo big5/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "../build/bin/msgfmt.py", line 203, in ?
    main()
  File "../build/bin/msgfmt.py", line 199, in main
    make(filename, outfile)
  File "../build/bin/msgfmt.py", line 151, in make
    l = eval(l)
  File "", line 1
    "?????"
              ^
SyntaxError: invalid token
make: [big5/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo] Error 1 (ignored)

what is wrong ?

[root at list LC_MESSAGES]# msgfmt -v -o mailman.mo mailman.po
183 translated messages, 365 fuzzy translations, 699 untranslated messages.


[root at list mailman]# bin/transcheck big5
HTML checking templates/big5/admindbpreamble.html... 
 - Too few %(detailsurl)s
 - Too few %(summaryurl)s
 - Too few %(description)s
HTML checking templates/big5/admlogin.html... 
 - Too few %(who)s
HTML checking templates/big5/handle_opts.html... 
 - Can'open original file templates/en/handle_opts.html
HTML checking templates/big5/headfoot.html... 
 - %(attribute)s was not found
HTML checking templates/big5/listinfo.html... 
HTML checking templates/big5/options.html... 
 -  was not found
 -  was not found
 -  was not found
 -  was not found
 -  was not found
 - Too few 
 - Too few 
 - Too few 
 - Too few 
HTML checking templates/big5/roster.html... 
HTML checking templates/big5/subscribe.html... 
TXT  checking templates/big5/adminsubscribeack.txt... 
TXT  checking templates/big5/adminunsubscribeack.txt... 
TXT  checking templates/big5/approve.txt... 
TXT  checking templates/big5/bounce.txt... 
TXT  checking templates/big5/checkdbs.txt... 
TXT  checking templates/big5/convert.txt... 
TXT  checking templates/big5/cronpass.txt... 
TXT  checking templates/big5/help.txt... 
TXT  checking templates/big5/masthead.txt... 
TXT  checking templates/big5/newlist.txt... 
TXT  checking templates/big5/postack.txt... 
 - Too few %(optionsurl)s
TXT  checking templates/big5/postauth.txt... 
TXT  checking templates/big5/postheld.txt... 
 - Too few %(confirmurl)s
TXT  checking templates/big5/refuse.txt... 
TXT  checking templates/big5/subauth.txt... 
TXT  checking templates/big5/subscribeack.txt... 
TXT  checking templates/big5/userpass.txt... 
 - %(adminaddr)s was not found
 - Too few %(fqdn_lname)s
 - Too few %(owneraddr)s
TXT  checking templates/big5/verify.txt... 
 - Too much %(cookie)s
 - Too few %(confirmurl)s
PO   checking messages/big5/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po... 
 - near line 169 ['Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py:1214']: %s was not found
 - near line 169 ['Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py:1214']: Too few %(seq)s
 - near line 194 ['Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py:419']: %s was not found
 - near line 194 ['Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py:419']: Too few %(archive)s
 - near line 229 ['Mailman/Bouncer.py:184']: %s was not found
 - near line 263 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:70', 'Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py:89', 'Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py:55', 'Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py:67', 'Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py:51', 'Mailman/Cgi/options.py:71', 'Mailman/Cgi/private.py:98', 'Mailman/Cgi/rmlist.py:64', 'Mailman/Cgi/roster.py:57', 'Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py:61']: %s was not found
 - near line 263 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:70', 'Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py:89', 'Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py:55', 'Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py:67', 'Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py:51', 'Mailman/Cgi/options.py:71', 'Mailman/Cgi/private.py:98', 'Mailman/Cgi/rmlist.py:64', 'Mailman/Cgi/roster.py:57', 'Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py:61']: Too few %(safelistname)s
 - near line 273 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:85', 'Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py:105', 'Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py:85', 'Mailman/Cgi/private.py:123']: %(creatorurl)s was not found
 - near line 305 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:332']: %s was not found
 - near line 305 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:332']: %s was not found
 - near line 305 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:332']: Too few %(realname)s
 - near line 305 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:332']: Too few %(varname)s
 - near line 310 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:339']: %s was not found
 - near line 310 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:339']: Too few %(varname)s
 - near line 329 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:368']: %s was not found
 - near line 329 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:368']: Too few %(categoryname)s
 - near line 338 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:384']: %s was not found
 - near line 338 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:384']: %s was not found
 - near line 338 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:384']: Too few %(realname)s
 - near line 338 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:384']: Too few %(label)s
 - near line 369 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:417']: %s was not found
 - near line 369 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:417']: %s was not found
 - near line 388 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:479']: %s was not found
 - near line 423 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:604']: %s was not found
 - near line 423 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:604']: Too few %(record)s
 - near line 680 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:1050']: %s was not found
 - near line 680 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:1050']: %s was not found
 - near line 680 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:1050']: Too few %(start)s
 - near line 680 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:1050']: Too few %(end)s
 - near line 693 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:1065', 'Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py:177']: %(adminurl)s was not found
 - near line 784 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:1357']: %(confirmurl)s was not found
 - near line 902 ['Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py:285']: %s was not found
 - near line 902 ['Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py:285']: %s was not found
 - near line 902 ['Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py:285']: Too few %(listname)s
 - near line 937 ['Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py:350']: %s was not found
 - near line 1162 ['Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py:739']: %s was not found
 - near line 1225 ['Mailman/Cgi/create.py:68', 'Mailman/Cgi/rmlist.py:181']: %s was not found
 - near line 1268 ['Mailman/Cgi/create.py:181', 'bin/newlist:166']: Too few %(s)s
 - near line 1287 ['Mailman/Cgi/create.py:242']: %s was not found
 - near line 1313 ['Mailman/Cgi/create.py:272']: %s was not found
 - near line 1313 ['Mailman/Cgi/create.py:272']: Too few %(hostname)s
 - near line 1400 ['Mailman/Cgi/create.py:401']: %s was not found
 - near line 1429 ['Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py:97']: %s was not found
 - near line 1429 ['Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py:97']: %s was not found
 - near line 1429 ['Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py:97']: Too few %(template_info)s
 - near line 1429 ['Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py:97']: Too few %(realname)s
 - near line 1438 ['Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py:104']: %s was not found
 - near line 1438 ['Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py:104']: Too few %(safetemplatename)s
 - near line 1443 ['Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py:109', 'Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py:110']: %s was not found
 - near line 1443 ['Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py:109', 'Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py:110']: Too few %(realname)s
 - near line 1476 ['Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py:73']: %s was not found
 - near line 1476 ['Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py:73']: Too few %(hostname)s
 - near line 1483 ['Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py:105']: Too few %(hostname)s
 - near line 1483 ['Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py:105']: Too few %(mailmanlink)s
 - near line 1510 ['Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py:118']: Too few %(adj)s
 - near line 1549 ['Mailman/Cgi/options.py:110']: Too few %(safeuser)s
 - near line 1555 ['Mailman/Cgi/options.py:117', 'Mailman/Cgi/options.py:166', 'Mailman/Cgi/options.py:188']: %s was not found
 - near line 1555 ['Mailman/Cgi/options.py:117', 'Mailman/Cgi/options.py:166', 'Mailman/Cgi/options.py:188']: %s was not found
 - near line 1555 ['Mailman/Cgi/options.py:117', 'Mailman/Cgi/options.py:166', 'Mailman/Cgi/options.py:188']: Too few %(safeuser)s
 - near line 1570 ['Mailman/Cgi/options.py:211']: %(realname)s was not found
 - near line 1570 ['Mailman/Cgi/options.py:211']: %(digmode)s was not found
 - near line 1570 ['Mailman/Cgi/options.py:211']: %s was not found
 - near line 1570 ['Mailman/Cgi/options.py:211']: %s was not found
 - near line 1604 ['Mailman/Deliverer.py:86']: %s was not found
 - near line 1604 ['Mailman/Deliverer.py:86']: Too few %(realname)s
 - near line 3008 ['Mailman/Gui/Privacy.py:55']: %(admin)s was not found
 - near line 3624 ['Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py:55']: %s was not found
 - near line 3624 ['Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py:55']: Too few %(realname)s
 - near line 3633 ['Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py:59']: Too few %(hostname)s
 - near line 3638 ['Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py:80']: %d was not found
 - near line 3638 ['Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py:80']: %s was not found
 - near line 3643 ['Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py:82']: %d was not found
 - near line 3643 ['Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py:82']: %s was not found
 - near line 3643 ['Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py:82']: Too few %(num_concealed)d
 - near line 3667 ['Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py:148']: Too few %(reason)s
 - near line 3706 ['Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py:178']: %s was not found
 - near line 3706 ['Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py:178']: %s was not found
 - near line 3706 ['Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py:178']: Too few %(addr)s
 - near line 3706 ['Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py:178']: Too few %(type)s
 - near line 3747 ['Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py:205']: %s was not found
 - near line 3747 ['Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py:205']: Too few %(also)s
 - near line 3754 ['Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py:208']: %s was not found
 - near line 3754 ['Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py:208']: Too few %(also)s
 - near line 3762 ['Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py:211']: %s was not found
 - near line 3762 ['Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py:211']: %(realname)s was not found
 - near line 3762 ['Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py:211']: %s was not found
 - near line 3762 ['Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py:211']: Too few %(also)s
 - near line 3840 ['Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py:280']: %s was not found
 - near line 3840 ['Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py:280']: Too few %(msgcount)d
 - near line 3859 ['Mailman/ListAdmin.py:315']: %s was not found
 - near line 3859 ['Mailman/ListAdmin.py:315']: Too few %(subject)s
 - near line 3869 ['Mailman/ListAdmin.py:413']: %s was not found
 - near line 3869 ['Mailman/ListAdmin.py:413']: %s was not found
 - near line 3869 ['Mailman/ListAdmin.py:413']: Too few %(realname)s
 - near line 3869 ['Mailman/ListAdmin.py:413']: Too few %(addr)s
 - near line 3878 ['Mailman/ListAdmin.py:466']: %s was not found
 - near line 3878 ['Mailman/ListAdmin.py:466']: %s was not found
 - near line 3878 ['Mailman/ListAdmin.py:466']: Too few %(realname)s
 - near line 3878 ['Mailman/ListAdmin.py:466']: Too few %(addr)s
 - near line 3892 ['Mailman/ListAdmin.py:523']: %s was not found
 - near line 3892 ['Mailman/ListAdmin.py:523']: Too few %(realname)s
 - near line 3914 ['Mailman/MTA/Manual.py:80']: %s was not found
 - near line 3914 ['Mailman/MTA/Manual.py:80']: %s was not found
 - near line 3914 ['Mailman/MTA/Manual.py:80']: Too few %(listname)s
 - near line 3919 ['Mailman/MTA/Manual.py:97']: Too few %(listname)s
 - near line 3977 ['Mailman/MailList.py:812', 'Mailman/MailList.py:1176']: %s was not found
 - near line 3977 ['Mailman/MailList.py:812', 'Mailman/MailList.py:1176']: Too few %(remote)s
 - near line 3982 ['Mailman/MailList.py:846']: %s was not found
 - near line 3982 ['Mailman/MailList.py:846']: Too few %(realname)s
 - near line 3987 ['Mailman/MailList.py:909', 'bin/add_members:242']: %s was not found
 - near line 3987 ['Mailman/MailList.py:909', 'bin/add_members:242']: Too few %(realname)s
 - near line 3992 ['Mailman/MailList.py:928']: %s was not found
 - near line 3997 ['Mailman/MailList.py:948']: %s was not found
 - near line 3997 ['Mailman/MailList.py:948']: Too few %(realname)s
 - near line 4002 ['Mailman/MailList.py:1097']: %s was not found
 - near line 4002 ['Mailman/MailList.py:1097']: Too few %(name)s
 - near line 4025 ['Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py:189']: %s was not found
 - near line 4073 ['Mailman/htmlformat.py:627']: %s was not found
 - near line 4073 ['Mailman/htmlformat.py:627']: Too few %(version)s
 - near line 4214 ['bin/add_members:137']: Too few %(member)s
 - near line 4224 ['bin/add_members:142']: Too few %(member)s
 - near line 4229 ['bin/add_members:144']: Too few %(member)s
 - near line 4234 ['bin/add_members:146']: Too few %(member)s
 - near line 4253 ['bin/add_members:210', 'bin/config_list:105', 'bin/find_member:97', 'bin/inject:90', 'bin/list_admins:89', 'bin/list_members:199', 'bin/sync_members:222', 'cron/bumpdigests:86']: %s was not found
 - near line 4253 ['bin/add_members:210', 'bin/config_list:105', 'bin/find_member:97', 'bin/inject:90', 'bin/list_admins:89', 'bin/list_members:199', 'bin/sync_members:222', 'cron/bumpdigests:86']: %s was not found
 - near line 4253 ['bin/add_members:210', 'bin/config_list:105', 'bin/find_member:97', 'bin/inject:90', 'bin/list_admins:89', 'bin/list_members:199', 'bin/sync_members:222', 'cron/bumpdigests:86']: Too few %(listname)s
 - near line 4319 ['bin/arch:143', 'bin/change_pw:106', 'bin/config_list:242']: %s was not found
 - near line 4319 ['bin/arch:143', 'bin/change_pw:106', 'bin/config_list:242']: %s was not found
 - near line 4319 ['bin/arch:143', 'bin/change_pw:106', 'bin/config_list:242']: Too few %(e)s
 - near line 4319 ['bin/arch:143', 'bin/change_pw:106', 'bin/config_list:242']: Too few %(listname)s
 - near line 4703 ['bin/clone_member:94']: %s was not found
 - near line 4708 ['bin/clone_member:101']: %s was not found
 - near line 4738 ['bin/clone_member:196']: Too few %(toaddr)s
 - near line 5123 ['bin/list_lists:105']: %s was not found
 - near line 5128 ['bin/list_lists:109']: %s was not found
 - near line 5522 ['bin/newlist:123']: %s was not found
 - near line 5674 ['bin/remove_members:173']: %s was not found
 - near line 5674 ['bin/remove_members:173']: %s was not found
 - near line 5674 ['bin/remove_members:173']: Too few %(addr)s
 - near line 5850 ['bin/sync_members:212']: Too few %(addr)30s
 - near line 6175 ['bin/version:26']: %s was not found
[root at list mailman]# 

How can I correct them?

Thanks in advance.




From michael at zeus.firewing.org  Thu Jun 26 03:13:06 2003
From: michael at zeus.firewing.org (John Michael Mars)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:13:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Starting qrunner for FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: <2827.65.246.246.82.1056556221.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org>
Message-ID: 

> In FreeBSD the startup scripts are in /usr/local/etc/rc.d

Submit a doc patch. :)

- JMM

On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Glenn Sieb wrote:

>
> John Michael Mars said:
> > There is not BSD specific documentation in there. I was thinking about
> submitting a patch for anyone who wants it...
> >
> > Basically, (I use OpenBSD), you need to set this stuff in /etc/rc.local
> and /etc/rc.shutdown instead of /etc/rc.d/init.d. BSDs are BSDish. Linux
> is SysVish. The layout of some of the file system (including config
> files) is a bit different. Linux, being the most popular, is the one
> that typically gets documented and BSDers just have to get to it
> themselves.
>
>
> --G.
> ---
> The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author
> (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.    ICQ UIN: 300395    IRC Nick: Rainbear "All
> acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals"-Charge of the Goddess
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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>
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>




From michael at zeus.firewing.org  Thu Jun 26 03:13:59 2003
From: michael at zeus.firewing.org (John Michael Mars)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:13:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Starting qrunner for FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: <3EFA1D7F.26753.35C814E@localhost>
Message-ID: 

It's called read the docs. You can't expect people to do EVERYTHING. Read
the docs and THEN install or use a port. Help is for people that at least
try to help themselves FIRST. That's my opinion.

- JMM

On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Amardeo Sarma wrote:

> On 24 Jun 2003 at 21:57, John Michael Mars wrote:
>
> > There is not BSD specific documentation in there. I was thinking about
> > submitting a patch for anyone who wants it...
> >
> > Basically, (I use OpenBSD), you need to set this stuff in /etc/rc.local
> > and /etc/rc.shutdown instead of /etc/rc.d/init.d. BSDs are BSDish. Linux
> > is SysVish. The layout of some of the file system (including config files)
> > is a bit different. Linux, being the most popular, is the one that
> > typically gets documented and BSDers just have to get to it themselves.
> >
>
> Anyone have an idea why on running "bin/mailmanctl start" from the $prefix
> directory (again FreeBSD) I get the error message:
>
> Site list is missing: mailman
>
> ?
>
> Amardeo.
>
> > - JMM
> >
> > On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Amardeo Sarma wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I am a newbie and running Mailman 2.1.1 on FreeBSD 4.7 / VPSv2, which works
> > > with the old technique of running qrunner every minute from cron. The INSTALL
> > > instructions give some hints on how to start the qrunner daemon at startup time
> > > (apparently the preferred mode for 2.1.x), but this seems geared to Linux. I
> > > would appreciate any hints on what the best solution for FreeBSD systems is.
> > >
> > > Amardeo.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Amardeo Sarma
> > > sarma at gwup.com
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > >
> > > This message was sent to: michael at firewing.org
> > > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/michael%40firewing.org
> > >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Amardeo Sarma
> sarma at gwup.com
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> This message was sent to: michael at firewing.org
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/michael%40firewing.org
>




From michael at zeus.firewing.org  Thu Jun 26 03:14:27 2003
From: michael at zeus.firewing.org (John Michael Mars)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:14:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Starting qrunner for FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

The more cordial reply. But it's still not as good as "read the docs." :)

- JMM

On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Adam Lipson wrote:

> run bin/newlist mailman and this list will be created and then you will be able to start up mailman with bin/mailmanctl start.
>
> Adam
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Amardeo Sarma [mailto:sarma at gwup.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 4:09 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Starting qrunner for FreeBSD
>
>
> On 24 Jun 2003 at 21:57, John Michael Mars wrote:
>
> > There is not BSD specific documentation in there. I was thinking about
> > submitting a patch for anyone who wants it...
> >
> > Basically, (I use OpenBSD), you need to set this stuff in /etc/rc.local
> > and /etc/rc.shutdown instead of /etc/rc.d/init.d. BSDs are BSDish. Linux
> > is SysVish. The layout of some of the file system (including config files)
> > is a bit different. Linux, being the most popular, is the one that
> > typically gets documented and BSDers just have to get to it themselves.
> >
>
> Anyone have an idea why on running "bin/mailmanctl start" from the $prefix
> directory (again FreeBSD) I get the error message:
>
> Site list is missing: mailman
>
> ?
>
> Amardeo.
>
> > - JMM
> >
> > On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Amardeo Sarma wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I am a newbie and running Mailman 2.1.1 on FreeBSD 4.7 / VPSv2, which works
> > > with the old technique of running qrunner every minute from cron. The INSTALL
> > > instructions give some hints on how to start the qrunner daemon at startup time
> > > (apparently the preferred mode for 2.1.x), but this seems geared to Linux. I
> > > would appreciate any hints on what the best solution for FreeBSD systems is.
> > >
> > > Amardeo.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Amardeo Sarma
> > > sarma at gwup.com
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > >
> > > This message was sent to: michael at firewing.org
> > > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/michael%40firewing.org
> > >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Amardeo Sarma
> sarma at gwup.com
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> This message was sent to: adaml at jbase.com
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/adaml%40jbase.com
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>
> This message was sent to: michael at zeus.firewing.org
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From mike at CamaroSS.net  Thu Jun 26 03:46:55 2003
From: mike at CamaroSS.net (Mike Kercher)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:46:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <001901c33b56$832a9ca0$0200a8c0@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <003301c33b84$d448ab80$9c01a8c0@home.middlefinger.net>

Try http://192.168.0.102/mailman/listinfo/test
Or http://192.168.0.102/mailman/admin/test 

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] On Behalf Of
Stephen Smith
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 3:15 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)


Hello I have a problem or question I suppose.  I setup my mailman using an
RPM.  It appeared to install with no issues.  The mailman.conf file is
correct and has been correctly configured to be called by httpd.conf.

The problem is that if I try to connect using
http://192.168.0.102/mailman/listinfo  I keep getting Forbidden errors.
Nothing with mailman will work.  Am I missing something or is there
something else I need to do.  Apparently it recognizes the pages or I would
get page not found errors instead.

Please give me the proper direction to head to fix this problem.

I did create a test list prior to trying to connect.  And I also tried
http://192.168.0.102/mailman/test/listinfo just to be sure and it also
produced Forbidden access error pages.

Please help.

Thanks,
Steve Smith

BTW - if you want to check it out from outside - use
http://ke4mdx.com/whatever

Maybe I just don't know now to use mailman as the site owner.




From chasm at texas.net  Thu Jun 26 04:19:19 2003
From: chasm at texas.net (schuetzen)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:19:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please share the information
In-Reply-To: <20030425123211.G15421@deb22r2-48.mckemie.org>
References: <20030425123211.G15421@deb22r2-48.mckemie.org>
Message-ID: <1slkfvcj9e6jmc9ihrs1o1l31jb1q4m9vq@4ax.com>

Folks, this is an information list. None of us get any value if A person posts a
question and every answer is OFF the list.
Perhaps no one is getting answers??
Anyway, if you do get answers, please copy them to the list here so that we all
can learn from them.

and for those of you gurus, please post your answers to the list FIRST and then
offlist if you want.

thanks
chas
full of questions and no answers.
also, getting dumber by the day.



From jiangds at cisp.org.cn  Thu Jun 26 04:28:50 2003
From: jiangds at cisp.org.cn (jiands)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:28:50 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I bypass the header language check
References: <3EF99C1D.1000102@filmakademie.de>
	<001b01c33b7f$c6715f70$42b463d3@testi2df6d728c>
Message-ID: <015c01c33b8a$afe8c8a0$42b463d3@testi2df6d728c>

Hi,list

I install mailman2.1 with default language.
And I can send and receive mails. When  fill some 
big5 or gb chars in the subject, I meet an error, language lookuperror. It seems that something header filter checks done, Can I bypass the header check?

Any advice I would be grateful.

From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Thu Jun 26 04:46:05 2003
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:46:05 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I bypass the header language check
References: <3EF99C1D.1000102@filmakademie.de>	<001b01c33b7f$c6715f70$42b463d3@testi2df6d728c>
	<015c01c33b8a$afe8c8a0$42b463d3@testi2df6d728c>
Message-ID: <3EFA5E6D.9020704@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

You need a Chinese codecs to properly decode the headers.
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-i18n/2003-May/000918.html
may help.

jiands wrote:
> Hi,list
> 
> I install mailman2.1 with default language.
> And I can send and receive mails. When  fill some 
> big5 or gb chars in the subject, I meet an error, language lookuperror. It seems that something header filter checks done, Can I bypass the header check?
> 
> Any advice I would be grateful.
> 



-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Thu Jun 26 10:52:40 2003
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 01:52:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Starting qrunner for FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: <3EF93CCC.9083.518F12F@localhost>
References: <3EF93CCC.9083.518F12F@localhost>
Message-ID: <20030626085240.GH30187@hq.newdream.net>

On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 06:10:20AM +0200, Amardeo Sarma wrote:

> I am a newbie and running Mailman 2.1.1 on FreeBSD 4.7 / VPSv2, which works 
> with the old technique of running qrunner every minute from cron. The INSTALL 
> instructions give some hints on how to start the qrunner daemon at startup time 
> (apparently the preferred mode for 2.1.x), but this seems geared to Linux. I 
> would appreciate any hints on what the best solution for FreeBSD systems is.

Just link /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl to
/usr/local/etc/rc.d/mailman.sh

Something like (adjust path as necessary):
ln -s /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mailman.sh /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl

Do note, however, that if the system crashes, the stale lockfile may not
get removed when it comes back up.

You could put a script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/00somename.sh that does
something like (untested):

#!/bin/sh
# remove dead links
case "$1" in
start)
	test -f /usr/local/mailman/locks/master-qrunner && rm /usr/local/mailman/locks/master-qrunner
	;;
stop)
	;;
esac

Running mailmanctl -s *should* fix stale lockfiles, but doesn't seem to
work in my experience (see some past posts to the list as well).

-- 
"Since when is skepticism un-American?
Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")





From gimre at nextra.ro  Thu Jun 26 12:01:14 2003
From: gimre at nextra.ro (Gergely Imre)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:01:14 +0300 (EEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] promblem starting mailman
Message-ID: 


hi

when i try to start mailman with the script copied in /etc/rc.d/init.d, i 
get the following error over and over:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main
    qrunner.run()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run
    filecnt = self._oneloop()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in _oneloop
    msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 144, in 
dequeue
    data = self._ext_read(dbfile)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 246, in 
_ext_read
    dict = marshal.load(fp)
EOFError: EOF read where object expected

i have redhat 7.3, with python 2.2.1 installed, and mailman-2.1.2. the web 
interface is up and running, cron file is installed, check_perms is ok.
could somebody tell me, what these errors mean, and how can i correct 
them? btw, i did and upgrade from mailman-2.0.3, which was running fine.
thx.





From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu Jun 26 13:13:36 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:13:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removal of all body attachments in
	immediateadmin	notification emails
In-Reply-To: <049801c32c6f$7891f810$6701a8c0@befoffice1>
References: <01ac01c32c41$76708d90$6701a8c0@befoffice1>
	<3EE0DDAE.1020107@mitre.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030626114618.03c8e758@mail.openinfo.co.uk>

At 22:05 06/06/2003, Steve Werby wrote:
>"John DeCarlo"  wrote:
> > In /Mailman/Handlers, there is a file called Hold.py.
>
> > The one reading 'nmsg.attach(MIMEMessage(msg))' is the part where the
> > actual message being moderated is attached.
> >
> > Therefore, I conclude that commenting out that line will prevent the
> > notification message from having the original message as an attachment.
>
>
>John, it worked perfectly.  For the benefit of the archives, note that I had
>to restart Mailman for the changes to take effect.
>
>I think some list admins will want to keep the body attachment so I may work
>on a hack when I get some time.  The listname variable is available in the
>module so worst case I should be able to hard-code listnames in some control
>structure, though I'll probably try to create a text file of listnames that
>can be looped through.  I'm not a Python programmer, but I program in other
>languages so I'm optimistic I can learn to write the necessary code quickly.
>If I make any progress I'll post to the list.
>
>--
>Steve Werby
>President, Befriend Internet Services LLC
>http://www.befriend.com/

Your post got me thinking about this as I also have a minor problem with 
moderation of oversize messages on some lists.

I have posted a patch for MM 2.1.2 which also adds an extra per-list 
attribute to control attachment of the moderated messages's body (or not) 
with a new option on the General Option's page of the list admin web GUI. See:

https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=760567&group_id=103

Gentlemen, thanks for the idea of how to deal with this issue.

Note that because of the extra per-list attribute, I have had to change the 
DATA_FILE_VERSION so that existing lists get the extra attribute 
automatically added. This just means that the DATA_FILE_VERSION set by the 
patch may have to be updated to be applicable for the next MM release if 
the patch is not incorporated by Barry Warsaw into the next release.



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From testaccount at lieske-elektronik.de  Thu Jun 26 14:37:19 2003
From: testaccount at lieske-elektronik.de (Kevin Moschallski)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:37:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman outside mails
Message-ID: <3EFAE8FF.6030307@lieske-elektronik.de>

Hi i installed mailman and it works realy nice when i subscribe or post 
messages localy.
but when i send a subscribe request to a mail adress wich is outside my 
server and it get fetched by fetchmail i dont get any mail back.when i 
read the log of my MTA (exim 3.x) i get this:

2003-06-26 14:18:52 19VViG-0005U0-00 <= 
cgi-mailer-bounces-73260835 at kundenserver.de H=localhost [127.0.0.1] 
U=root P=esmtp S=1386 id=E19VVhx-0006gf-00 at lieske-elektronik.de
2003-06-26 14:18:53 19VViG-0005U0-00 => |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman 
request reseller  D=system_aliases 
T=address_pipe
2003-06-26 14:18:53 19VViG-0005U0-00 Completed

but no answer recieves the subsciber.

any idea why this happens so?

greets Kevin Moschallski




From howie at statmail.co.uk  Wed Jun 25 15:56:24 2003
From: howie at statmail.co.uk (Howard Lush)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:56:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announcement lists
Message-ID: 

Hi

I'm trying to set up an announcement-style list using Mailman, but I'm 
having a few problems getting it to do exactly what I want. As I see it, 
there are two ways of implementing a secure announcement list:

1. Approve each message as it is posted. This is fine, except that due 
to the high volume of messages and number of lists that are involved I 
am unable to approve every message via the web interface. As far as I 
can see there is no method of bypassing this by using a password at the 
top of the e-mail (e.g. Approved: password) or in the posting address 
itself (e.g. test-password at domain.com).

2. To allow one address (e.g. secret at domain.com) to automatically post 
without approval. This works fine, except that should anyone find out 
the address, the list would become insecure. Therefore I turned on the 
anonymous_list option so that the source address is masked and replaced 
with the list address. The only problem with this is that the e-mail 
arrives at the destination with the header:

From: test-admin at domain.com

...where test is the list name. Is there any way to change this to 
simply:

From: test at domain.com

or, ideally:

From: CustomName [test at domain.com]


Alternatively, if you have any other suggestions on how I can achieve a 
secure announcement list, I would be very grateful to receive them.


One other quick question - is there an easy way to set up a 'super-list' 
that posts to all the subscribers of a number of sub-lists, without 
sending a duplicate message to subscribers who are on more than one of 
the sub-lists?


Thanks in advance for your help,

Howard

-- 

E-mail:               howie at statmail.co.uk
ICQ UIN:              4358182
Homepage:             http://www.statmail.co.uk/
Phone / voicemail:    07971 963607
Mobile text message:  sms at statmail.co.uk




From c.pettit at cpedesign.co.uk  Thu Jun 26 01:41:23 2003
From: c.pettit at cpedesign.co.uk (Carl G. Pettit)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 00:41:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Colour Scheme
Message-ID: 

Dear Sir,

Fantastic piece of software. However, I want to change the colour scheme to
mach that of the rest of my site. How do I do that?

- Carl -
www.cpedesign.co.uk
www.gosportscouts.org.uk





From darren at A470.com  Thu Jun 26 09:34:09 2003
From: darren at A470.com (Darren Wyn Rees)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:34:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman usage for Usenet gatewaying
In-Reply-To: <15860.17081.130757.487973@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
References: <20021208185604.GA58637@bsdfree.A470.com>
	<15860.17081.130757.487973@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <20030626073409.GB13939@bsdfree.A470.com>

A late reply...

On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 02:14:01AM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

[...]

Thanks.

>     DWR> Mailman seems to tie a lot of things together, eg. integrated
>     DWR> web interface, archiving.  It's also user-friendly.  On the
>     DWR> downside, there does not seem to be much scope for header
>     DWR> manipulation at present, eg. headers like Path/XRef/NNTP- are
>     DWR> mailed.
> 
> Would be easy to add stripping of any headers, but is there a
> particular reason why they need to be stripped?

Mailing/posting superfluous header material does not make sense nor add value.

-- 
Darren



From rick at niof.net  Thu Jun 26 16:43:01 2003
From: rick at niof.net (Rick Pasotto)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:43:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] modifying subscribers progammatically
Message-ID: <20030626144301.GA8110@tc.telocity.com>

Using Mailman version: 2.1.1

I have a mysql database of members of a club and would like to be able
to have changes to that database propagated to the club's mailing list.
I use python scripts to maintain the database.

1. Can I do everything with 'withlist'? adding, deleting, setting the
do-not-mail flag? The example in 'withlist' shows only
setMemberPassword(). Where do I find any other possible functions that
can be used?

2. Now that mailman is keeping user names, what is the format of the
file for use with add_members, sync_members, etc. to include the name?
Will sync_members update the subscriber's name?

3. What do I need to do to a (python) script I write so that it can
modify a list? Does it need to be in a particular location? What
permissions? (Everything is on my debian linux box.)

-- 
"That all men are by nature equally free and independent, and have
 certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of
 society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity;
 namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring
 and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and
 safety." -- The Virginia Declaration of Rights
    Rick Pasotto    rick at niof.net    http://www.niof.net




From embrey at hood.edu  Thu Jun 26 16:57:55 2003
From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:57:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list aliases
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030626105342.0221f530@hermes.hood.edu>

Mailman Users List:

I am running Mailman 2.1.1

When I generate a new list it wants me to add 7 aliases per list to my 
aliases file. Since I want my users to maintain their list enrollments 
through the webpage, what are the minimum aliases needed to keep the list 
functional?

Bruce Embrey

Bruce Edward Embrey : VMS Systems Manager
Campus Email Admin : UNIX / Linux Administrator
Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927




From jsmith at smittybuilt.com  Thu Jun 26 17:00:32 2003
From: jsmith at smittybuilt.com (jsmith)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:00:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.2
Message-ID: 

Hello all,

I have had the unfortunate problem of the place that hosts my collocated
server move data centers from one coast to the other.  And it seems to
have broke a few things.  I am running FreeBSD 4.7 with Sendmail.

I made sure qrunner was started and sendmail is working as far as I can
tell.  My clients send and receive mail fine.  

Mine is basically an announce only email so only 3 people send to the
list.  All of the web pages for it are working.  I am not getting any
mail from the list going outbound.  In the mail queue I see the msg
waiting to go out with this error "Too many recipients"  

The user mailman is a trusted user and everything is on one machine.
This all worked fine prior to the move.  I am new with *ix and there is
probably something pointing me to where the problem is.  I have just not
come across it.

Any and all suggestions are welcome and appreciated.

Thanks
Joe


From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu Jun 26 17:50:26 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:50:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.2
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030626164043.03c87508@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 16:00 26/06/2003, jsmith wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>I have had the unfortunate problem of the place that hosts my collocated
>server move data centers from one coast to the other.  And it seems to
>have broke a few things.  I am running FreeBSD 4.7 with Sendmail.
>
>I made sure qrunner was started and sendmail is working as far as I can
>tell.  My clients send and receive mail fine.
>
>Mine is basically an announce only email so only 3 people send to the
>list.  All of the web pages for it are working.  I am not getting any
>mail from the list going outbound.  In the mail queue I see the msg
>waiting to go out with this error "Too many recipients"
>
>The user mailman is a trusted user and everything is on one machine.
>This all worked fine prior to the move.  I am new with *ix and there is
>probably something pointing me to where the problem is.  I have just not
>come across it.
>
>Any and all suggestions are welcome and appreciated.


You could try setting a lower value for the MM configuration variable 
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. The installation default in 
Defaults.py is 500 which may be too high for your Sendmail configuration. 
See the comments in Defaults.py


>Thanks
>Joe

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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu Jun 26 18:26:26 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:26:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list aliases
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030626105342.0221f530@hermes.hood.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030626165248.040fb938@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 15:57 26/06/2003, Bruce Embrey wrote:
>Mailman Users List:
>
>I am running Mailman 2.1.1
>
>When I generate a new list it wants me to add 7 aliases per list to my 
>aliases file. Since I want my users to maintain their list enrollments 
>through the webpage, what are the minimum aliases needed to keep the list 
>functional?

Depending on what MTA you are running you may be able to dispense entirely 
with manipulating the aliases file.

For Sendmail there is:

1. a Perl implementation of a Sendmail mailer called mm-handler for 
delivering to Mailman. This is in the source distributions contrib 
directory. But beware there some weaknsesses in exception handling and 
circumstances where mail can be lost using this mailer. I used this mailer 
for a period and had those circumstances arise.

2. a Python implementation of a Sendmail mailer which is more intimately 
integrated with Mailman is available at sourceforge. I wrote and use this 
myself precisely to get away from having to manage the aliases database for 
the MTA when we create and remove lists.

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=644810&group_id=103&atid=300103

Both of these mailers work off the existence of Mailman's list-specific 
structure to determine if incoming mail can be delivered to a list. But 
they do impose constraints on the other aliases the MTA on the Mailman 
server can handle which you may find more on less acceptable.

I believe that similar approaches can be adopted with other MTAs but I 
haven't investigated this to avoid a religious war breaking out over which 
MTA we should use here.

>Bruce Embrey
>
>Bruce Edward Embrey : VMS Systems Manager
>Campus Email Admin : UNIX / Linux Administrator
>Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927
>

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Richard Barrett                                      http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu Jun 26 18:48:15 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:48:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.2
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030626173735.045d8ec0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 17:26 26/06/2003, jsmith wrote:
>Richard,
>
>This was working before with this config of sendmail.  I am setting it
>lower for testing and see if that fixes it.  Do you happen to know where
>that setting is for sendmail?

In /usr/share/sendmail/README of the Linux box that runs my Mailman lists I 
found:


confMAX_RCPTS_PER_MESSAGE  MaxRecipientsPerMessage
                                         [infinite] If set, allow no more than
                                         the specified number of recipients in
                                         an SMTP envelope.  Further recipients
                                         receive a 452 error code (i.e., they
                                         are deferred for the next delivery
                                         attempt).


and /usr/share/sendmail/m4/proto.m4 contains:

_OPTION(MaxRecipientsPerMessage, `confMAX_RCPTS_PER_MESSAGE', `100')

but /etcsendmail.cf contains:

#O MaxRecipientsPerMessage=100

which being commented out presumably doesn't affect operation of the 
Snedmail instance.

But I am not a Sendmail expert. I've put this back onto the list in case 
someone out there is.

>Thanks for the help.
>
>Joe
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk]
>Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:50 AM
>To: jsmith
>Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.2
>
>At 16:00 26/06/2003, jsmith wrote:
> >Hello all,
> >
> >I have had the unfortunate problem of the place that hosts my
>collocated
> >server move data centers from one coast to the other.  And it seems to
> >have broke a few things.  I am running FreeBSD 4.7 with Sendmail.
> >
> >I made sure qrunner was started and sendmail is working as far as I can
> >tell.  My clients send and receive mail fine.
> >
> >Mine is basically an announce only email so only 3 people send to the
> >list.  All of the web pages for it are working.  I am not getting any
> >mail from the list going outbound.  In the mail queue I see the msg
> >waiting to go out with this error "Too many recipients"
> >
> >The user mailman is a trusted user and everything is on one machine.
> >This all worked fine prior to the move.  I am new with *ix and there is
> >probably something pointing me to where the problem is.  I have just
>not
> >come across it.
> >
> >Any and all suggestions are welcome and appreciated.
>
>
>You could try setting a lower value for the MM configuration variable
>SMTP_MAX_RCPTS in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. The installation default in
>
>Defaults.py is 500 which may be too high for your Sendmail
>configuration.
>See the comments in Defaults.py
>
>
> >Thanks
> >Joe
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>------
>Richard Barrett
>http://www.openinfo.co.uk

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From paul at thcwd.com  Thu Jun 26 19:05:37 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:05:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Colour Scheme
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030626120138.00bc4718@mail.thcwd.com>

Carl G. Pettit wrote:
>Fantastic piece of software. However, I want to change the colour scheme to
>mach that of the rest of my site. How do I do that?

      Go to the list administration page of the web interface.  On the 
right side click on 
"Edit the 
public HTML pages".  Make your changes.  And do yourself a favour - make a 
copy of the original and back it up occasionally as you work.  I just copy 
and paste to a local note pad.  To give you an idea of how much you can 
customize check out 
 (a work in 
progress).


<>< Paul 




From paul at thcwd.com  Thu Jun 26 19:20:30 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:20:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HellMail
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030626120554.02b81598@mail.thcwd.com>

      After a lot of testing I am pretty sure this is a HotMail issue, but 
it seems to be keyed to something innocent in Mailman and maybe someone can 
give me a clue as to what and what to do about it (aside from getting 
everyone to get a real e-mail account.)  Tests to AOL and roadrunner work fine.

Mailman 2.2.1
Python-2.2.2
RedHat 7.1
Ensim webhost, but installed outside the chrooted environment.

      Two lists trying to send to paulfoobar at hotmail.com:

      With the general discussion list messages sent by paul at foo.com go 
through, while message from paul at foobar.com are not received.  Both foo and 
foobar are on the same server as Mailman, and the same path is followed for 
mail from each.

      With the announcement style messages from neither foo nor foobar get 
though.

      All subscription notifications were received properly.  Trying to 
change mailman setting to reproduce one lists problems on the other has not 
worked.  Below are the final mail log entries for the three situations I've 
given:

Sent to discussion list by paul at foobar.com - received by 
paulfoobar at hotmail.com:
Jun 26 11:52:01 svr01 sendmail[9505]: h5QGq0609503: 
to=, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, 
pri=146535, relay=mx2.hotmail.com. [65.54.252.230], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent ( 
<5.2.1.1.0.20030626115137.02b7c938 at mail.foobar.com> Queued mail for delivery)

Sent to discussion list by paul at bar.com - received by paulfoobar at hotmail.com:
Jun 26 11:34:19 svr01 sendmail[7132]: h5QGYD607130: 
to=, delay=00:00:06, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, 
pri=146494, relay=mx3.hotmail.com. [65.54.253.99], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent ( 
<5.2.1.1.0.20030626113344.02b9ead8 at mail.foobar.com> Queued mail for delivery)

Sent to announcement list by paul at bar.com - not received 
paulfoobar at hotmail.com:
Jun 25 22:39:55 svr01 sendmail[3603]: h5Q3dt603600: 
to=, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, 
pri=87264, relay=mx3.hotmail.com. [65.54.253.99], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent ( 
<5.2.1.1.0.20030625222958.033819b0 at mail.foobar.com> Queued mail for delivery)

      I am no expert on mail logs, but does this not show HotMail accepting 
all three messages?  Any ideas?


<>< Paul 




From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Jun 27 00:11:26 2003
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:11:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman hold notices...
Message-ID: 

Folks,

	I've recently started doing some work for ntp.org (as the 
listmaster, postmaster, & PGP keymaster), and last week we cut over 
to mailman (2.1.2) from majordomo.  Overall, we are very happy.

	However, there are some things we've run across that we've got 
some questions on, and I haven't found any obvious answers in the 
mailman FAQ, etc....  I hope you don't mind if I ask them here.


	First, I want to change the notice that gets sent back when 
non-subscribers submit a message to a specific mailing list.  The 
generic message is okay for most of them, but one in particular needs 
different text.

	Going to the appropriate mailman/admin/list page for the list in 
question, and then down to "Privacy Options" and "Sender Filters", 
there appears to be a "member_moderation_notice" that would appear to 
be applicable in this case.  I've put in the modified text I want to 
send back, but it's not being used.

	Does anyone have any suggestions for what I might be doing wrong? 
I guess I could edit mailman/templates/en/postheld.txt directly, but 
I'd prefer not to do that.  For one thing, I want this change for 
just one list and not all of them, and I'd prefer not to even try to 
think about what would need to be done for the other languages.


	Secondly, when using the moderation tools to accept a message 
that has been held, we've noticed that the "Date:" header gets 
slightly munged.  We see:

		Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:37:43 +-400 (EDT)

	When it should be:

		Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:37:43 +0400 (EDT)

	This only appears in the full raw archives, and in the messages 
that are sent out via e-mail.


	Third, I've noticed that the only opportunity to change the 
mailing list name (mainly the capitalization) is when the list is 
being initially generated.  Visiting the appropriate admin page and 
changing the field where it says "The public name of this list (make 
case-changes only)." does not seem to have any impact.



	Thanks for any advice or assistance that you can provide!  If 
there are FAQ or other documentation files I've missed where these 
issues are discussed, I would appreciate any and all pointers you can 
provide.

-- 
======================================================================
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.



From alaric at caerllewys.net  Fri Jun 27 05:08:08 2003
From: alaric at caerllewys.net (Phil Stracchino)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:08:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Post approval
Message-ID: <20030627030808.GA18702@prydain.caerllewys.net>

I'm running Mailman-2.1.1.  I have a message to one of my closed lists
from a non-member that I want to approve.  It's less than an hour old,
and the confirmation request is sitting in my mailbox this very moment.

Problem is,
	(1) it doesn't show up on the list's admindb page,
	(2) if I try to approve it via email, MailMan tells me the
	    confirmation string is invalid or has expired.

Any suggestions, anyone?


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From mailman-users at image.datastar.pl  Fri Jun 27 06:38:02 2003
From: mailman-users at image.datastar.pl (Jakub Mateusz Mikusek)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 06:38:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] returned 6 from command
Message-ID: <20030627043802.GH1821@image0>

Hello low,

I've got serious problem:
(testowa at kupiecpoz.pl is my mailinggroup)

2003-06-27 04:16:51 SMTP connection from host102-114.crowley.pl (image0.datastar.pl) [62.89.114.102]:3474 closed by QUIT
2003-06-27 04:16:51 cwd=/var/spool/exim 3 args: /usr/bin/exim -Mc 19VkfL-0005gt-1a
2003-06-27 04:16:51 19VkfL-0005gt-1a ** testowa at kupiecpoz.pl R=mailman_router T=mailman_transport: Child process of mailman_transport transport returned 6 from
command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman
2003-06-27 04:16:51 cwd=/var/spool/exim 7 args: /usr/bin/exim -t -oem -oi -f <>
-E19VkfL-0005gt-1a
2003-06-27 04:16:51 19VkfL-0005gz-6u <= <> R=19VkfL-0005gt-1a U=exim P=local S=1820 T="Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender" from <> for mick3y at image.datastar.pl mick3y at image.datastar.pl
2003-06-27 04:16:51 19VkfL-0005gt-1a Completed
2003-06-27 04:16:51 cwd=/var/spool/exim 3 args: /usr/bin/exim -Mc 19VkfL-0005gz-6u
2003-06-27 04:16:51 19VkfL-0005gz-6u => mick3y at image.datastar.pl R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=image.datastar.pl [62.89.114.242] C="250 Ok: queued as 4BFA5D6B"
2003-06-27 04:16:51 19VkfL-0005gz-6u Completed

I've searched over google && FAQ on mailman website && documentation;
nothing helped me.

My exim configuration below:

MAILMAN_HOME=/var/spool/mailman
MAILMAN_WRAP=/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman
MAILMAN_UID=mailman
MAILMAN_GID=nobody
          # ^^^^^^ that's ok

begin routers:
(...)
mailman_aliases:
        driver = redirect
        allow_defer
        allow_fail
        caseful_local_part
        data = ${lookup {${local_part}@${domain}}lsearch{/etc/mailman/aliases}}
        user = MAILMAN_UID
        group = MAILMAN_GID
        pipe_transport = mailman_transport
        retry_use_local_part

mailman_router:
        driver = accept
        require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/$local_part/config.pck
        local_part_suffix_optional
        local_part_suffix = -bounces : -bounces+* : \
                        -confirm : -confirm+* : join : \
                        -leave : -owner : -request : -admin
        transport = mailman_transport

begin transports:

mailman_transport:
        driver = pipe
        command = MAILMAN_WRAP \
                '{if def:local_part_suffix \
                {${sg{$local_part_suffix}{-(\\w+)(\\+.*)?}{\$1}}} \
                {post}}' \
                $local_part
        current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
        home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
        user = MAILMAN_UID
        group = MAILMAN_GID

Any Ideas? Guys, I count on you, because I haven't got any more ideas.

Regards,
mick3y

-- 
[.Jakub Mikusek:mick3y at wci.pl:....sysadm...]



From debuser at sysmatrix.net  Thu Jun 26 19:50:40 2003
From: debuser at sysmatrix.net (Gerald V. Livingston II)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:50:40 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HellMail
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030626120554.02b81598@mail.thcwd.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030626120554.02b81598@mail.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: <200306261251352.SM01240@phorce1-xp>

On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:20:30 -0500 Paul H Byerly  wrote:

>       After a lot of testing I am pretty sure this is a HotMail issue,
> but 
> it seems to be keyed to something innocent in Mailman and maybe someone
> can 
> give me a clue as to what and what to do about it (aside from getting 
> everyone to get a real e-mail account.)  Tests to AOL and roadrunner
> work fine.
> 
> Mailman 2.2.1
> Python-2.2.2
> RedHat 7.1
> Ensim webhost, but installed outside the chrooted environment.
> 
>       Two lists trying to send to paulfoobar at hotmail.com:
> 
>       With the general discussion list messages sent by paul at foo.com go 
> through, while message from paul at foobar.com are not received.  Both foo
> and 
> foobar are on the same server as Mailman, and the same path is followed
> for 
> mail from each.
> 
>       With the announcement style messages from neither foo nor foobar
> get 
> though.
> 
>       All subscription notifications were received properly.  Trying to 
> change mailman setting to reproduce one lists problems on the other has
> not 
> worked.  Below are the final mail log entries for the three situations
> I've 
> given:
> 
> Sent to discussion list by paul at foobar.com - received by 
> paulfoobar at hotmail.com:
> Jun 26 11:52:01 svr01 sendmail[9505]: h5QGq0609503: 
> to=, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00,
> mailer=esmtp, 
> pri=146535, relay=mx2.hotmail.com. [65.54.252.230], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
> ( 
> <5.2.1.1.0.20030626115137.02b7c938 at mail.foobar.com> Queued mail for
> delivery)
> 
> Sent to discussion list by paul at bar.com - received by
> paulfoobar at hotmail.com:
> Jun 26 11:34:19 svr01 sendmail[7132]: h5QGYD607130: 
> to=, delay=00:00:06, xdelay=00:00:00,
> mailer=esmtp, 
> pri=146494, relay=mx3.hotmail.com. [65.54.253.99], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
> ( 
> <5.2.1.1.0.20030626113344.02b9ead8 at mail.foobar.com> Queued mail for
> delivery)
> 
> Sent to announcement list by paul at bar.com - not received 
> paulfoobar at hotmail.com:
> Jun 25 22:39:55 svr01 sendmail[3603]: h5Q3dt603600: 
> to=, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00,
> mailer=esmtp, 
> pri=87264, relay=mx3.hotmail.com. [65.54.253.99], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent ( 
> <5.2.1.1.0.20030625222958.033819b0 at mail.foobar.com> Queued mail for
> delivery)
> 
>       I am no expert on mail logs, but does this not show HotMail
> accepting 
> all three messages?  Any ideas?
> 
> 
> <>< Paul 

Subscribe this address to both of your lists (the one that fails to HotMail
and the one that works). I'll respond to the subscription verification
requests. Then send out test messages and I'll bounce back a full set of
headers so you can see if there is possibly something different aout the
failing list that may be causing HotMails spam filters to catch and discard
it.

G

-- 
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http://expita.com/nomime.html

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From naira at faccat.br  Fri Jun 27 01:05:32 2003
From: naira at faccat.br (Naira Kaieski)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:05:32 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1056668732.3efb7c3cb84ba@correio.faccat.br>

Hy,

Was developed a portuguese version of Mailman?

Thanks

Chandra

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Este e-mail foi enviado pelo WEBMAIL FACCAT : http://correio.faccat.br/



From roger at nit10.com.br  Fri Jun 27 10:59:26 2003
From: roger at nit10.com.br (Roger Luft)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 05:59:26 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Error Invalid options to CGI script "
Message-ID: <003901c33c8a$692ce850$0500a8c0@nit10.com.br>

Hello list
I have a serious problem...
I install the mailman version 2.1.2 in a Slackware 9.0  +  Apache/1.3.27,
But always when I try to access, for example, www.xxx.com/mailman/subscribe , it return the follow message:

"Error 
Invalid options to CGI script "

Dont know i do more.....

help-me please
thaks

Roger Luft
Administrador Linux - NIT10 Infoservice
Coordenador de Infra-estrutura de Rede - NIT10.NET
roger at nit10.com.br

From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Jun 27 16:57:15 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:57:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Error Invalid options to CGI script "
In-Reply-To: <003901c33c8a$692ce850$0500a8c0@nit10.com.br>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030627155110.040bec48@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 09:59 27/06/2003, Roger Luft wrote:
>Hello list
>I have a serious problem...
>I install the mailman version 2.1.2 in a Slackware 9.0  +  Apache/1.3.27,
>But always when I try to access, for example, 
>www.xxx.com/mailman/subscribe , it return the follow message:

The /mailman/subscribe based URI as received by the server should always 
have a listname after the subscribe bit i.e it should read 
/mailman/subscribe/

If you click the Subscribe button on a list's listinfo page then the URL is 
properly constructed.

>"Error
>Invalid options to CGI script "
>
>Dont know i do more.....
>
>help-me please
>thaks
>
>Roger Luft
>Administrador Linux - NIT10 Infoservice
>Coordenador de Infra-estrutura de Rede - NIT10.NET
>roger at nit10.com.br

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Richard Barrett                                      http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From brazda at changenet.sk  Fri Jun 27 17:45:00 2003
From: brazda at changenet.sk (Norbert Brazda)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:45:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 9, Issue 67
References: 
Message-ID: <39ad01c33cc3$8ce05ff0$0500000a@ws5>


Is there a way how I can find out (debug) reasons why Mailman discards messages without notice? 


norbert
brazda at changenet.sk


From: "Norbert Brazda" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:05 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] vette: Message discarded
>

> Some messages sent to some public, unmoderated mailinglists with no 
> content filtering set are still being automatically discarded by Mailman 
> with no notice sent to poster or listmaster. Mailinglist is set to HOLD 
> all problematic messages (sent by non-members, etc.) and send notification 
> to the poster and listmaster.
> 
> here is piece from vette log file:
> === 
> Jun 25 16:44:01 2003 (27393) Message discarded, msgid: 
> <337f01c33b28$8d2aaa20$0500000a at ab8>
> ===






From ges+lists at wingfoot.org  Fri Jun 27 17:42:37 2003
From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:42:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 9, Issue 67
In-Reply-To: <39ad01c33cc3$8ce05ff0$0500000a@ws5>
References:  
	<39ad01c33cc3$8ce05ff0$0500000a@ws5>
Message-ID: <3796.65.246.246.82.1056728557.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org>

Norbert Brazda said:
> Is there a way how I can find out (debug) reasons why Mailman discards
> messages without notice?

Yes, I'd like to know this as well.. I had a user who had to go create a
new account because mailman would drop her mails without notice. :-/

G.
(Running MM 2.1, FreeBSD, SpamAssassin, AMaViS, the email itself was not
being tagged as spam or a virus by either SA or AMaViS)
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From mwood at stpo.com  Fri Jun 27 19:06:51 2003
From: mwood at stpo.com (Michael Wood)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:06:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman lists location question
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030627100443.0408fe30@mail.stpo.com>

Does anyone know how/where the email addresses in the lists are stored. Are 
they located in text files somewhere?







From adaml at jbase.com  Fri Jun 27 19:08:41 2003
From: adaml at jbase.com (Adam Lipson)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:08:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why does this happen and can it be fixed?
Message-ID: 

One of my users has complained about the digest version in 2.0.x (yes I know an upgrade is being worked on).  Here are the problems (there are three).  Is this a problem with the MTA, mailman, the client?  I use outlook and the original messages come across just fine it just appears in the digest.  Will an upgrade fix this?

Thanks,
Adam


When it is set to MIME he gets large chunks of junk that outlook does not recognize like this:

------_=_NextPart_001_01C33C0B.0A46EB6D
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

Q2hhbmRydSBpcyBqdXN0IGhhdmluZyBoaXMgdXN1YWwgcmFudCBhbmQgZm9yZ2V0dGluZyB0aGF0
IGl0IGlzbid0IFBpY2sgYnV0IGhlIGRvZXNuJ3QgbWVhbiBhbnkgaGFybSA7LSkuIE5vIGFtb3Vu
dCBvZiBwb3J0aW5nIHRvb2xzIHdvdWxkIGhhdmUgZ290IGhpbSBvdmVyIHRoZSB0aGluZ3MgaGUg

Then also email appears poorly formatted like this:

			When someone like person one (the guy that
wrote the original PICK
			ACCESS language) comments about how hard it is
to convert to jBASE, when


Finally sometimes email comes across like this

------_=_NextPart_001_01C33C1F.89379994
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Message




You=20
probably didn't mean to send this to the whole list did you=20




From jeffw at chebucto.ns.ca  Fri Jun 27 20:44:48 2003
From: jeffw at chebucto.ns.ca (Jeff Warnica)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:44:48 -0300 (ADT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] spam filtering? 
Message-ID: 


One would beleive, according to the front page of list.org, that mailman
has integrated spam filters. Reading through the documentation and a bit
of the source Im not quite sure how that is defined. Years ago I asked
what "hooks for external (web) archivers" meant and was told that you can
set up and alias ala "|/path/to/archiver".... So I read that feature list
with a very large grain of salt.

Here at a local communiy net majordomo has been in use for years and
years. At some time in the past some custom spam filters were installed,
and the list owners had the choice of having triggered mail bounced to
them (for approval) or silently thrown away.

What I would like is to have a simmilar setup if/when we migrate to
Mailman.. All our incomming mail is being scanned by SpamAssassin, so all
that mailman would need to do is check headers and hold for approval (or
discard as an option) messages with an approiate spam score.

Is this possible, and if so how would I set this up?




From multimedia-fan at myrealbox.com  Fri Jun 27 21:27:29 2003
From: multimedia-fan at myrealbox.com (multimedia-fan at myrealbox.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:27:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question About List subscription.
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <5t5pfvsrmeadmcg7tplitvmm82qpdca46a@4ax.com>

I posted this message earlier, but except from one helpful person that
responded through private email, I didn't see any suggestions.

I set up mailman with no problems, created the first list.

Tried subscribing myself from another email address, I still don't see
any confirmation emails, nor the email address listed in the member
list, nor held in approval/moderation queue.

Mailman service is running.

I tried another email address that I have and subscribed through the web
interface again.
It's been 48 Hrs and as a list admin I didn't receive the notification
(I set up the list to notify admin immediately), nor a confirmation
request, and I don't see that in held messages too.

Any suggestions where should I look for troubleshooting?

My current configuration is.

Red Hat Linux 7.2.
Python v2.1
Mailman v2.12

Thank you.





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Jun 27 21:39:10 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:39:10 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question About List subscription.
In-Reply-To: <5t5pfvsrmeadmcg7tplitvmm82qpdca46a@4ax.com>
References: 
	<5t5pfvsrmeadmcg7tplitvmm82qpdca46a@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <1056742746.5342.31.camel@Anncons4>

Look in the FAQ (I believe 3.14).  It has a lot of helpful suggestions.
Also, check out your /var/log/maillog file to see if the mail is being
picked up.

By default the Sendmail on RH 7.2 is turned off from accepting
connections from localhost.

Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 15:27, multimedia-fan at myrealbox.com wrote:
> I posted this message earlier, but except from one helpful person that
> responded through private email, I didn't see any suggestions.
> 
> I set up mailman with no problems, created the first list.
> 
> Tried subscribing myself from another email address, I still don't see
> any confirmation emails, nor the email address listed in the member
> list, nor held in approval/moderation queue.
> 
> Mailman service is running.
> 
> I tried another email address that I have and subscribed through the web
> interface again.
> It's been 48 Hrs and as a list admin I didn't receive the notification
> (I set up the list to notify admin immediately), nor a confirmation
> request, and I don't see that in held messages too.
> 
> Any suggestions where should I look for troubleshooting?
> 
> My current configuration is.
> 
> Red Hat Linux 7.2.
> Python v2.1
> Mailman v2.12
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From saurav at sas.upenn.edu  Fri Jun 27 21:48:21 2003
From: saurav at sas.upenn.edu (Saurav Pathak)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:48:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] spam filtering?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20030627194821.GA1888@mail1.sas.upenn.edu>




Thus spake Jeff Warnica:

+  
+  What I would like is to have a simmilar setup if/when we migrate to
+  Mailman.. All our incomming mail is being scanned by SpamAssassin, so all
+  that mailman would need to do is check headers and hold for approval (or
+  discard as an option) messages with an approiate spam score.
+  
+  Is this possible, and if so how would I set this up?

there are two methods, mentioned here:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.023.htp

-- 
saurav



From paul at thcwd.com  Fri Jun 27 19:40:46 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:40:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: HellMail
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030627102541.0344e7c8@mail.thcwd.com>

Gerald wrote:
>Subscribe this address to both of your lists (the one that fails to HotMail
>and the one that works). I'll respond to the subscription verification
>requests. Then send out test messages and I'll bounce back a full set of
>headers so you can see if there is possibly something different aout the
>failing list that may be causing HotMails spam filters to catch and discard
>it.

      Thanks for the offer, I've already done that on on of my (way to 
many) other addresses.

      Someone who wrote off list pointed me in the right direction - 
HotMail's built in spam filters.  The HotMail account was created when I 
needed an MSN ID for their messenger, and I have never used it.  Rejects 
were being deleted rather than going to the junk folder.

      After some extensive testing I have determined that checking "Yes" 
for "Hide the sender of a message, replacing it with the list address 
(Removes From, Sender and Reply-To fields) " caused HotMail to see a 
message as spam.  Who sends the mail to the list also matters, although I 
can not begin to explain why.  I can send mail from one of my accounts 
directly to the HotMail account, but when that same account sends mail to 
the the Mailman list, HotMail sees it as spam.  But another of my accounts 
can send directly and through the Mailman list.  Just SOP at MS I guess.

      Since the subscription confirmation message goes through no matter 
what, I will just add a not to HotMail users there.  Of course they will 
not read it, and I will have to send it again when they say "why am I not 
getting my mail".  Sigh.


<>< Paul 




From stscanlan at hphs.org  Sat Jun 28 07:39:20 2003
From: stscanlan at hphs.org (Stephen David Scanlan)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:39:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't Change  URL on Archives Page
Message-ID: <3387.4.47.247.1.1056778760.squirrel@_default_>

In the archives page of a list I created with Mailman I need to change the
link on the archives page that points to "more information about this
list"

The URL is incorrect and I can't find a way to change it.
I originally input the wrong value, but can't find a way to change it.

Should I delete the list, delete the archive and start again? The list is
new.

The part in parentheses is the offending link

The Seniors Archives
You can get (more information about this list) or you can download the
full raw archive ( 1 KB ).

Archive View by: Downloadable version
2003-June: [ Thread ] [ Subject ] [ Author ] [ Date ]  [ Text 298 bytes ]






From jonas at freesources.org  Sat Jun 28 18:16:55 2003
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:16:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] strange behavior with EXTERNAL_PUBLIC_ARCHIVER
Message-ID: <20030628161655.GP1205@freesources.org>

hello,
i realized some strange behavior of mailman with the
EXTERNAL_PUBLIC_ARCHIVER option. simply setting it to
'/usr/bin/id > /tmp/log 2>&1' gives in /tmp/log:
uid=38(list) gid=38(list) groups=0(root),102(lpadmin),109(shutdown)

at commandline:
$ whoami
list
$ id
uid=38(list) gid=38(list) groups=38(list),106(lurker)

why does user list member different lists in the two cases? same uid, same
gid, only the lists it members are different. 

bye
 mejo

-- 
Efficiency and progess is ours one more
Now that we have the Neutron bomb
It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight
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From paul at thcwd.com  Sat Jun 28 18:21:03 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:21:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: why does this happen and can it be fixed?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030628111812.0348fea0@mail.thcwd.com>

Adam Lipson wrote:
>Finally sometimes email comes across like this

      A few lines below this the rest of the digest is without line 
breaks.  Clearly some part of the encoding instructions you gave caused 
this change.  I've seen this a few times, and it's rather annoying and all 
but impossible to read.  I'd love to find a way to prevent it.
      I won't send the quote as it will trash this digest too.  I will 
privately e-mail it to anyone who wants to see it.


<>< Paul 




From ron at vnetworx.net  Sat Jun 28 21:38:36 2003
From: ron at vnetworx.net (Ron Guerin)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 19:38:36 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject: (, )
Message-ID: <1056828641.1654.16306.camel@dante>

I've been trying to figure this out for days, and have gotten nowhere.
All of my administrative Mailman mail comes back looking like this:

	Subject: (,)

when it should say something like this:

	Subject: Your new mailing list: mailman	

I'm guessing it's a configuration setting, but I can't find it.  Can
anyone point me in the right direction?

- Ron






From david at both.org  Sat Jun 28 21:56:06 2003
From: david at both.org (David Both)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 15:56:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with getting started
Message-ID: <3EFDF2D6.4050903@both.org>

I have RedHat 9 and Mailman 2.1 (not 2.1.2). When using the RedHat command

# service mailman start

I get the following error traceback.


Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 524, in ?
     main()
   File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 319, in main
     check_privs()
   File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 274, in check_privs
     gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2]
KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found

Has anyone seen this and is there a fix? I could not find anything resembling 
this in the archives on this list.

ALSO:

Are there any specific docs about initial setup and configuration. What is 
available seems pretty sketchy.

Thanks!!



-- 

David P. Both






From mailist at orbisindonesia.com  Sat Jun 28 22:13:22 2003
From: mailist at orbisindonesia.com (mailist at orbisindonesia.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 03:13:22 +0700 (WIT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hit a bug too with 2.1.2
Message-ID: <2357.202.153.225.221.1056831202.squirrel@goliath.3wsi.net>

when try to remove member from the list via command line :

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/sbin/remove_members", line 186, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/sbin/remove_members", line 176, in main
    admin_notif, userack)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 944, in
ApprovedDeleteMember
    self.SendUnsubscribeAck(emailaddr, userlang)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py", line 87, in
SendUnsubscribeAck
    Utils.wrap(self.goodbye_msg), lang)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 206, in __init__
    errors='replace')
TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'errors'
----------------------------------------------------------------------


Help...... :(






From mailist at orbisindonesia.com  Sat Jun 28 22:32:24 2003
From: mailist at orbisindonesia.com (mailist at orbisindonesia.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 03:32:24 +0700 (WIT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hit a bug too with 2.1.2
In-Reply-To: <2357.202.153.225.221.1056831202.squirrel@goliath.3wsi.net>
References: <2357.202.153.225.221.1056831202.squirrel@goliath.3wsi.net>
Message-ID: <2380.202.153.225.221.1056832344.squirrel@goliath.3wsi.net>

This one is from the web if this might help...


Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 169, in main
    change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 1354, in change_options
    mlist.ApprovedDeleteMember(user)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 944, in
ApprovedDeleteMember
    self.SendUnsubscribeAck(emailaddr, userlang)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py", line 87, in
SendUnsubscribeAck
    Utils.wrap(self.goodbye_msg), lang)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 206, in __init__
    errors='replace')
TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'errors'





--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Python information:
Variable Value
sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Mar 21 2003, 23:01:54) [GCC 3.2.3 20030316 (Debian
prerelease)]
sys.executable /usr/bin/python
sys.prefix /usr
sys.exec_prefix /usr
sys.path /usr
sys.platform linux2




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Environment variables:
Variable Value
CONTENT_LENGTH  3563
CONTENT_TYPE  multipart/form-data;
boundary=---------------------------7d32241b3904da
HTTP_COOKIE 
developers+admin=280200000069a8fafd3e732800000038303061643233323635353864346634326364393837393062356139316136336163336237636633
SCRIPT_FILENAME  /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/admin
PYTHONPATH  /var/lib/mailman
SERVER_SOFTWARE  Apache/2.0.44 (Unix) DAV/2 PHP/4.3.1
SERVER_ADMIN  webmaster at lists.some.net
SCRIPT_NAME  /mailman/admin
SERVER_SIGNATURE
REQUEST_METHOD  POST
HTTP_HOST  lists.some.net
PATH_INFO  /developers/members
SERVER_PROTOCOL  HTTP/1.1
QUERY_STRING  letter=m
HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL  no-cache
REQUEST_URI  /mailman/admin/developers/members?letter=m
HTTP_ACCEPT  image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, */*
PATH_TRANSLATED  /var/www/mailman/developers/members
HTTP_USER_AGENT  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
HTTP_CONNECTION  Keep-Alive
HTTP_REFERER  http://lists.some.net/mailman/admin/developers/members?letter=m
SERVER_NAME  lists.some.net
REMOTE_ADDR  1.2.3.4
REMOTE_PORT  2375
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE  en-us
UNIQUE_ID  6qMY9cqZ4dsAAEtQB4wAAAAC
SERVER_PORT  80
GATEWAY_INTERFACE  CGI/1.1
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING  gzip, deflate
SERVER_ADDR  1.2.3.5
DOCUMENT_ROOT  /var/www/mailman





From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Sat Jun 28 22:53:12 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:53:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with getting started
In-Reply-To: <3EFDF2D6.4050903@both.org>
References: <3EFDF2D6.4050903@both.org>
Message-ID: <20030628205312.GA2283@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Hash: SHA1

David Both wrote:
> I have RedHat 9 and Mailman 2.1 (not 2.1.2). When using the RedHat command
> 
> # service mailman start
> 
> I get the following error traceback.
> 
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 524, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 319, in main
>     check_privs()
>   File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 274, in check_privs
>     gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2]
> KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found
> 
> Has anyone seen this and is there a fix? I could not find anything 
> resembling this in the archives on this list.

Really?  This has come up here often since the Redhat 9 packages are
basically broken.  QA was apparently on a drunken binge when they tested
this package.

I searched for "getgrnam(): name not found" on mail-archive and found
several hits.

    http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?method=and&format=short&config=mailman-users_python_org&restrict=&exclude=&words=getgrnam%28%29%3A+name+not+found

Suffice it to say that you should see this bugzilla report for a solution:

    http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=89695

> Are there any specific docs about initial setup and configuration. What is 
> available seems pretty sketchy.

There are many fine documents covering this put together by the mailman
developers, but Red Hat's packager for 2.1 didn't include them apparently.
It looks like they did include the README files in the rawhide package which
fixes the problem of the mailman service not starting.

If you try that rpm and it still gives you grief, you're best bet is to
either roll your own rpm if you really want to have an rpm or install from
the tarball.  The latter is really quite painless.

- -- 
Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
============================================================================
Eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow they may make it illegal.

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From jonas at freesources.org  Sun Jun 29 00:55:27 2003
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 00:55:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] strange behavior with EXTERNAL_PUBLIC_ARCHIVER
In-Reply-To: <20030628161655.GP1205@freesources.org>
References: <20030628161655.GP1205@freesources.org>
Message-ID: <20030628225527.GC7631@freesources.org>

On 28/06/2003 To Mailman-Users wrote:
> hello,
> i realized some strange behavior of mailman with the
> EXTERNAL_PUBLIC_ARCHIVER option. simply setting it to
> '/usr/bin/id > /tmp/log 2>&1' gives in /tmp/log:
> uid=38(list) gid=38(list) groups=0(root),102(lpadmin),109(shutdown)

mh, the problem is at the debian package: mailmanctl start is run as
root. if i start mailman as list, /tmp/log has the output i expected:
uid=38(list) gid=38(list) groups=38(list),106(lurker)

bye
 mejo

-- 
Efficiency and progess is ours one more
Now that we have the Neutron bomb
It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight
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From seth at gonca.net  Sun Jun 29 11:21:04 2003
From: seth at gonca.net (Seth)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 12:21:04 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] it is a fuckin test
Message-ID: <20030629092104.28632.qmail@srv1.servermaestro.com>


fuckin test



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sun Jun 29 13:48:55 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 12:48:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't Change  URL on Archives Page
In-Reply-To: <3387.4.47.247.1.1056778760.squirrel@_default_>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030629123258.03ebed70@mail.openinfo.co.uk>

At 06:39 28/06/2003, Stephen David Scanlan wrote:
>In the archives page of a list I created with Mailman I need to change the
>link on the archives page that points to "more information about this
>list"
>
>The URL is incorrect and I can't find a way to change it.

You do not say in what way the URL is incorrect. If it is showing the wrong 
hostname and the same incorrect hostname is currently being used in the 
footers for mail out from the list the following references in the MM FAQ 
and mailman-users archives are relevant:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.017.htp

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg17075.html

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg16714.html

>I originally input the wrong value, but can't find a way to change it.
>
>Should I delete the list, delete the archive and start again? The list is
>new.

If you have fixed the basic problem then you can force the list's archive 
TOC page to be rebuilt by running $prefix/bin/arch: run that with the 
--help option to get its usage.

>The part in parentheses is the offending link
>
>The Seniors Archives
>You can get (more information about this list) or you can download the
>full raw archive ( 1 KB ).
>
>Archive View by: Downloadable version
>2003-June: [ Thread ] [ Subject ] [ Author ] [ Date ]  [ Text 298 bytes ]

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From chris at woodchipcomputers.co.uk  Sun Jun 29 14:25:33 2003
From: chris at woodchipcomputers.co.uk (Chris Wright)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 13:25:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Loop" mail
Message-ID: <3EFEE8CD.22956.1623358@localhost>

A bit of a hunt through the archives didn't seem to produce an 
answer...

I have some lists on my server that is also running "Trusted Mail", a 
spam and virus checker.  This is working fine, except that Trusted 
Mail is adding a number of Received lines in the headers as it goes 
through the system.  If a message is being delivered to an address in 
the same domain, it goes round all over again and adds another batch 
(typically five of them)

This means that when the message is finally delivered to some of the 
more "picky" ISPs, it is thrown out "because the message was 
forwarded more than the maximum allowed times. This could indicate a 
mail loop."

Is there an easy way to strip these headers out?  Or do I just need 
to ditch TrustedMail?

Chris




From paul at thcwd.com  Sun Jun 29 22:09:27 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:09:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] slashes in e-mail addresses
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030629150521.034b4d38@mail.themarriagebed.com>

       I have someone with a couple of slashes in their e-mail address 
trying to join a list.  Apparently this is non-standard but "allowed" by 
some systems - with Mailman not being one of them.  I found an almost year 
old discussion in the archives about writing a patch for this, but no 
follow up.  Anyone?


<>< Paul   "-rw-rw-rw-" ... file permissions of the beast.  




From paul at thcwd.com  Mon Jun 30 03:00:16 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:00:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] so close
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030629195410.0349e3c0@mail.themarriagebed.com>


      I am very close to getting a working post from the web form going, 
but I have one huddle left.  I have tired to dig this up on Goggle, but 
don't even know the question to ask.  Mailman uses some variables of the 
form "Subject=%(subject_url)s" and "%(body)s".  Is there a variable of this 
nature that holds the username of the person logged into a private archive?

      I need to pass the username (e-mail address) when I use a open.window 
and document.write to create a page that will be used to send a post to the 
list.  I was getting the username in a cookie, but I can't get the 
JavaScript to work in the created page.  The %()s variable work just find, 
so I need to get the users e-mail into such a variable.  Any help greatly 
appreciated.

Paul 




From paul at thcwd.com  Mon Jun 30 04:57:04 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:57:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not as close as I thought
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030629214353.0349e500@mail.themarriagebed.com>


      I am using the %(variable)s to fill a form on a new page created with 
JavaScript window.open and newWindow.document.write .  When I use 
"%(body)s" the JavaScript comes up with an error and won't write.  But it 
works fine with:
%(subject_html)s
%(author_html)s
%(email_url)s
%(in_reply_to_url)s
%(email_html)s
%(datestr_html)s

      I am in over my head here - anyone have a crumb for me?

Paul 




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon Jun 30 12:36:45 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:36:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] slashes in e-mail addresses
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030629150521.034b4d38@mail.themarriagebed.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030630110714.03387a30@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 21:09 29/06/2003, Paul H Byerly wrote:
>       I have someone with a couple of slashes in their e-mail address 
> trying to join a list.  Apparently this is non-standard but "allowed" by 
> some systems - with Mailman not being one of them.

I would disagree that this is non-standard. My reading of section 3.2.5 of 
RFC 2822 says that a quoted string form of the local-part can contain a 
slash character (amongst others) so that "fred/smith/jnr"@some.domain 
should be valid if not that usual. It is not as if the form is an obsolete one.

The address parsing by the functions in the email package handle an email 
address of the form "fred/smith/jnr"@some.domain without apparent problem.

The refusal to accept it is caused by the function 
Mailman.Utils.ValidateEmail()

An experienced colleague admits that such an address is valid according to 
the RFC but suggests I would have to be barking to assume that the whole 
range of mail handling agents can be relied on to handle such an address 
reliably.

Maybe some wiser head can confirm how the function 
Mailman.Utils.ValidateEmail()'s extra validation rules were arrived at and 
if rejecting some RFC compliant addresses is justified?

>I found an almost year old discussion in the archives about writing a 
>patch for this, but no follow up.  Anyone?
>
>
><>< Paul   "-rw-rw-rw-" ... file permissions of the beast.
>

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From RSHULTZ at kirkwood.edu  Fri Jun 27 21:57:07 2003
From: RSHULTZ at kirkwood.edu (Ryan Shultz)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:57:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with permissions on aliases.db file
Message-ID: 

I have a problem with the aliases.db file for a postfix install with the
newest mailman on rehat 9.  In the maillog of the box every time I send
to it it says that permission denied.  I have used the check_perms
script and everything is fine.  I am at a loss.  It does not seem to
want to work.  It was recognizing the aliases entries before but I must
have changed something to make it stop.  Any help?

Thanks.



From bensalem_naturals at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 29 17:40:47 2003
From: bensalem_naturals at hotmail.com (BenSalem Naturals)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 11:40:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Export Memberlist
Message-ID: 

How can I export my memberlist in Mailman?

_________________________________________________________________
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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sun Jun 29 18:08:10 2003
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 18:08:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Loop" mail
In-Reply-To: <3EFEE8CD.22956.1623358@localhost>
References: <3EFEE8CD.22956.1623358@localhost>
Message-ID: 

At 1:25 PM +0100 2003/06/29, Chris Wright wrote:

>  Is there an easy way to strip these headers out?  Or do I just need
>  to ditch TrustedMail?

	You may be able to configure your MTA to strip them out, but 
that's usually an all-or-nothing sort of thing, and you really don't 
want to do that.  Among other things, you would have much less 
information available to you if there were a real mail loop.

	If there's not a way to configure "Trusted Mail" to avoid putting 
on these headers, then I'd start looking at competing packages.


	For freely available solutions, AMaViS can do both anti-virus 
scanning (with one or more configurable anti-virus back-end scanning 
systems) as well as anti-spam processing (typically using 
SpamAssassin, one of the best tools available for this job), and can 
even run as a sendmail "milter".

	Short of buying some pretty expensive software, that's likely to 
be your best alternative.

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

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From laocb at luedersavoca.com  Sun Jun 29 23:57:44 2003
From: laocb at luedersavoca.com (Carlene)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 16:57:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman in a zip file
Message-ID: <000001c33e89$7b455990$f901a8c0@sony>

Do you have a place where I can download Mailman in zip format?

Thank you,
Carlene


From dtormey at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jun 30 07:57:05 2003
From: dtormey at bigpond.net.au (David Tormey)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:57:05 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] auto subscribe
Message-ID: <001901c33ecc$6f5cf780$0200a8c0@dave>

Hi, 

I am new to this mailman business, I was wondering if there is an easy way to allow people to auto subscribe. Is there an email address that they can send an email to that will auto subscribe them?

Thanks, 

Dave.


From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be  Mon Jun 30 16:49:08 2003
From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:49:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Export Memberlist
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20030630144908.GA23537@jeroen.fw.belnet.be>

On Sun, Jun 29, 2003 at 11:40:47AM -0400, BenSalem Naturals wrote:
> How can I export my memberlist in Mailman?

On the commandline, type

/bin/list_members [list_name] > save_members

-Jeroen-


-- 
Jeroen Valcke
sst at belnet.be
jeroen.valcke at belnet.be



From ckolar at imsa.edu  Mon Jun 30 16:51:16 2003
From: ckolar at imsa.edu (Christopher Kolar)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:51:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] slashes in e-mail addresses
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030630110714.03387a30@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030629150521.034b4d38@mail.themarriagebed.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030630094959.057e0ee0@mail.imsa.edu>

At 05:36 AM 6/30/2003, Richard Barrett wrote:
>At 21:09 29/06/2003, Paul H Byerly wrote:
>>       I have someone with a couple of slashes in their e-mail address 
>> trying to join a list.  Apparently this is non-standard but "allowed" by 
>> some systems - with Mailman not being one of them.
>
>I would disagree that this is non-standard. My reading of section 3.2.5 of 
>RFC 2822 says that a quoted string form of the local-part can contain a 
>slash character (amongst others) so that "fred/smith/jnr"@some.domain 
>should be valid if not that usual. It is not as if the form is an obsolete one.
>
>The address parsing by the functions in the email package handle an email 
>address of the form "fred/smith/jnr"@some.domain without apparent problem.
>[....]

There is an open ticket in the system for this:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=643605&group_id=103&atid=100103

The last time Barry commented he said that it is flagged for 3.0.

--chris


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From scot at linuxfromscratch.org  Mon Jun 30 16:50:21 2003
From: scot at linuxfromscratch.org (Scot Mc Pherson)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:50:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] slashes in e-mail addresses
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030629150521.034b4d38@mail.themarriagebed.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030629150521.034b4d38@mail.themarriagebed.com>
Message-ID: <200306301050.21319.scot@linuxfromscratch.org>

On Sunday 29 June 2003 04:09 pm, Paul H Byerly wrote:
>        I have someone with a couple of slashes in their e-mail address
> trying to join a list.  Apparently this is non-standard but "allowed" by
> some systems - with Mailman not being one of them.  I found an almost year
> old discussion in the archives about writing a patch for this, but no
> follow up.  Anyone?

Well if you happen to be using postfix, you could very well "fix" it without 
having to touch the mailman sources.  Just create an alias for the user. If 
you are using sendmail, then its a little harder, but the principle is the 
same.

-- 
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Linux From Scratch
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~scot/



From jsmith at smittybuilt.com  Mon Jun 30 17:01:48 2003
From: jsmith at smittybuilt.com (jsmith)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:01:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Export Memberlist
Message-ID: 

I actually set this up in cron for a weekly back of all my lists.

0 0 * * 0 /usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members listname | mail
email at here.com

This will run every Sunday night.

Hope this helps.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeroen Valcke [mailto:jeroen.valcke at belnet.be] 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 7:49 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Export Memberlist

On Sun, Jun 29, 2003 at 11:40:47AM -0400, BenSalem Naturals wrote:
> How can I export my memberlist in Mailman?

On the commandline, type

/bin/list_members [list_name] > save_members

-Jeroen-


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sst at belnet.be
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From kgs at bluehighways.com  Mon Jun 30 17:47:48 2003
From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:47:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Export Memberlist
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <007001c33f1e$f60976d0$0200a8c0@TAWANDA>

Observation...

This (output of subscriber lists) is requested so frequently I wonder if in a future
version the Mailman interface could be set up to generate this list for list
administrators; I know the Mailman paradigm is concentrated on Web access, but most of us
working with other lists really, really miss that "review" feature. It's a) Armageddon
backup (something terrible happens to the host, but you still have your most valuable
information--the list of subscribers), and b) a fairly efficient workaround for a feature
not implemented in 2.0 (searchable member archives). The only catch is that it is
predicated on access to . 

(I put in a separate request to the host of our lists asking if they would create a script
we could run from our own Web interface.) 

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:Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 8:02 AM
:To: Jeroen Valcke; mailman-users at python.org
:Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Export Memberlist
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:I actually set this up in cron for a weekly back of all my lists.
:
:0 0 * * 0 /usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members listname | mail
:email at here.com
:
:This will run every Sunday night.
:
:Hope this helps.
:
:Joe
:
:-----Original Message-----
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:Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 7:49 AM
:To: mailman-users at python.org
:Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Export Memberlist
:
:On Sun, Jun 29, 2003 at 11:40:47AM -0400, BenSalem Naturals wrote:
:> How can I export my memberlist in Mailman?
:
:On the commandline, type
:
:/bin/list_members [list_name] > save_members
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From Thias at BaerenHor.de  Mon Jun 30 17:53:15 2003
From: Thias at BaerenHor.de (Bitterlich, Matthias R.H.)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:53:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] get Member Passwords for external tool
Message-ID: <3F005CEB.3080000@BaerenHor.de>

Hi!

I want to write an external site where members can download files.
I want to secure it by the list passwords.
How can I get the passwords, I'm not into Python so I want to write this
site in Perl.
Is there a way to access the /config.pck/ via Perl or how can I get my
hands on those passwords.

Currently I dump the list-DB via ~/mailman/bin/dumpdb listname and parse
the output by several lines of grep, sed and awk commands.

Thanks in advance,
Matthias R.H. Bitterlich





From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon Jun 30 17:54:11 2003
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:54:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with permissions on
 aliases.db file
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

At 2:57 PM -0500 2003/06/27, Ryan Shultz wrote:

>  I have a problem with the aliases.db file for a postfix install with the
>  newest mailman on rehat 9.  In the maillog of the box every time I send
>  to it it says that permission denied.  I have used the check_perms
>  script and everything is fine.  I am at a loss.  It does not seem to
>  want to work.  It was recognizing the aliases entries before but I must
>  have changed something to make it stop.  Any help?

	This sounds like a postfix problem, not an issue with mailman. 
Have you tried the postfix-users mailing list?


	In general, these files should be owned by "root", and should not 
be group-writable, nor should any of the directories in the path to 
this file be group-writable (i.e., if it's in /etc/postfix, then 
neither /, nor /etc, nor /etc/postfix should be group-writable, and 
they should all be owned by root).  Have you tried running the 
"newaliases" command?

-- 
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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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From jmehd at hns.com  Mon Jun 30 20:10:09 2003
From: jmehd at hns.com (Jaysheel Mehd)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:10:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error reporting bug in mailman
Message-ID: <3F007D01.9030802@hns.com>

Hi,

I installed mailman on my test server and configured it as required. On 
visiting the URL : http://servername/mailman/admin it gives em 
foollowing errrors. Any clues?

Thanks in advance,
Jaysheel


    Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2


      We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please
email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a 
description of what happened. Thanks!


        Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 68, in run_main
    immediate=1)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 52, in __init__
    Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 49, in __init__
    self.__get_f()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 67, in __get_f
    1)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/codecs.py", line 496, in open
    file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error'



------------------------------------------------------------------------


        Python information:

Variable 	Value
sys.version 	2.2.3 (#1, Jun 27 2003, 14:16:32) [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 
(release)]
sys.executable 	/usr/local/bin/python
sys.prefix 	/usr/local
sys.exec_prefix 	/usr/local
sys.path 	/usr/local
sys.platform 	sunos5

------------------------------------------------------------------------


        Environment variables:

Variable 	Value
PYTHONPATH 	/usr/local/mailman
SERVER_SOFTWARE 	Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) mod_perl/1.24 ApacheJserv/1.1.2
SCRIPT_FILENAME 	/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
SERVER_ADMIN 	[no address given]
SCRIPT_NAME 	/mailman/admin
SERVER_SIGNATURE 	
Apache/1.3.12 Server at corelab2.it.labs.md.hnsnet Port 80

REQUEST_METHOD 	GET
HTTP_HOST 	corelab2.it.labs.md.hnsnet
HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 	300
SERVER_PROTOCOL 	HTTP/1.1
QUERY_STRING 	
HTTP_CONNECTION 	keep-alive
REQUEST_URI 	/mailman/admin
HTTP_ACCEPT 
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1 

HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET 	ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
HTTP_USER_AGENT 	Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4a) 
Gecko/20030401
TZ 	US/Eastern
SERVER_NAME 	corelab2.it.labs.md.hnsnet
REMOTE_ADDR 	139.85.232.127
REMOTE_PORT 	32920
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 	en-us,en;q=0.5
SERVER_ADDR 	10.36.192.60
SERVER_PORT 	80
GATEWAY_INTERFACE 	CGI/1.1
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 	gzip,deflate
UNIQUE_ID 	PwB2-QokwDwAAGPlPCQ
DOCUMENT_ROOT 	/var/apache/htdocs



From aalonso at uncoma.edu.ar  Mon Jun 30 21:38:18 2003
From: aalonso at uncoma.edu.ar (Ana Carolina Alonso)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:38:18 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] security
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20030630163046.00a08ec0@pop3.uncoma.edu.ar>

I'm a mailman users, I had installed and configure some lists in my server, 
the questios is:
when i access to the list info page, and I folow a link which say Click 
here for the list of Investigadores subscribers: VISIT SUBSCRIBERS LIST	
I can (or who folow the link) modify the properties of any of the 
subscriptors!!!! for example i can change the password any.
How can i autenticate, so that evrebody should to entry the password to 
chage the properties and then each person could modify his owner properties?

Thanks in advance. Sorry for my english

Ana





From tasha_norman at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 30 22:12:29 2003
From: tasha_norman at yahoo.com (Tasha Norman)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 13:12:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to questions.
Message-ID: <20030630201229.11524.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi, i just signed up to use mailman as my
mailmanagment system for my site. 
1) How can I can I access it to start sending my
weekly emails. 
2) Where do I enter in my current email list
3) Can I look at my email and check it before it goes
out to my list
4) I want my e-mail to have jpg images on it, how can
i do  this?
5) I am the administrator of the list, I do not wany
anyone else viewing the list, is my password and
administor name the same as my login information with
hostway?

Thanks for your help
Tasha Norman
tendumagazine.com

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