[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 10, Issue 64
Arthur Karnuah
abk at uga.edu
Wed Jul 23 00:13:25 CEST 2003
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>Today's Topics:
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> 1. Re: How to show name in the subscriber list
mailman 2.1.2 ?
> (Rob Brandt)
> 2. Re: Pine file (Brad Knowles)
> 3. Re: How to show name in the subscriber list
mailman 2.1.2 ?
> (John DeCarlo)
> 4. Why won't Mailman send mail? (Mark Haney)
> 5. Re: Why won't Mailman send mail? (Todd)
> 6. Re: More madness (Todd)
> 7. Re: How to show name in the subscriber list
mailman 2.1.2 ?
> (Richard Barrett)
> 8. mass subscription (Rob Eckerson)
> 9. How do I implement Mailman (Anne Campbell)
>________________
>Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:21:01 +0100
>From: Rob Brandt <bronto at csd-bes.net>
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to show name in the
subscriber list mailman 2.1.2 ?
>To: John DeCarlo <jdecarlo at mitre.org>
>Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>
>Yes, I'm sure I misunderstood since I may not have gotten
the original question
>that you answered.
>
>I was hoping for a subscriber's list function including
names that could be
>browsed from the listinfo page. I've never really
understood why it's not
>there in the first place; I've never seen the usefulness of
showing a
>subscriber's list on listinfo containing only email
addresses.
>
>Rob
>
>
>Quoting John DeCarlo <jdecarlo at mitre.org>:
>
>> Rob,
>>
>> Did you try "./list_members -a <listname>"?
>>
>> This is just another command line script, used by humans
or their
>> scripts, but which is not used by Mailman AFAIK.
>>
>> I have to admit I don't know exactly what you mean
by "gone to one of my
>> mailing lists". It sounds like maybe you want to change
the web
>> interface or something else?
>>
>> Rob Brandt wrote:
>>
>> > John;
>> >
>> > This interests me too; thanks for this.
>> >
>> > But how do you make it work? I've copied your file into
the /bin directory
>> and
>> > renamed it as "list_members", then gone to one of my
mailing lists to view
>> the
>> > member list, but it still only lists the member's email
address.
>> >
>> > I suspect that I have to modify another script
somewhere, but where?
>> >
>> > Rob
>>
>> --
>>
>> John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>________________
>Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:34:42 +0200
>From: Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Pine file
>To: Juan Nicolas Bernal Yhama <root at tux.uis.edu.co>
>Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>
>At 5:30 PM -0500 2003/07/21, Juan Nicolas Bernal Yhama wrote:
>
>> I installed the mailman for a big server in my university.
>
> Great! Glad to hear it!
>
>> the mail server of de university has 1800 accounts.
>> I want to install an imap server with squirrelmail
because this have
>> others features and it is posible access with pine.
>> My users use webmail and pine simulteneously.
>> Is posible convert the INBOX, SENT and TRASH directories
to standart mail
>> format !?? or to use pine for access the mailman server !?
>
> Unfortunately, what mail server you use for the
University is not
>really relevant to mailman. As a mailing list manager,
mailman
>should be useable with virtually any standards-compliant
mail server,
>and any standards-compliant MUA.
>
> The particular IMAP server you install should not be
relevant,
>because the only interface between mailman and the outside
world is
>through the web (mostly user interaction), or through the
SMTP
>protocol (mail servers talking to each other). Mailman does
not know
>anything about the IMAP protocol.
>
>
> I would suggest doing more research on IMAP, and
finding an
>IMAP-related mailing list or newsgroup on which to ask these
>questions.
>
> Myself, I found WU-IMAP (Washington University) to be
>easy-to-install, and supported a wide variety of mailbox
formats,
>etc.... However, WU-IMAP does not scale well, and 1800
users may be
>too much for it. In that case, you may want to consider
Courier (a
>complete mail server package, including an IMAP server) or
>Courier-IMAP (just the IMAP server part), or perhaps Cyrus.
>
> Courier and Courier-IMAP are definitely more
difficult to install
>than WU-IMAP, but they do scale better. However, they do
not scale
>as well as Cyrus (all major commercial IMAP server packages
I know of
>are based on Cyrus), although Cyrus is even more difficult
to install.
>
> For your site, you may need to choose between
>Courier/Courier-IMAP and Cyrus, depending on your particular
needs.
>I'd suggest starting big (with Cyrus), and if it turns out
to be too
>difficult for you, step back and try Courier or Courier-IMAP
instead.
>
> You could use WU-IMAP for a small prototype server,
but I fear
>that it would not handle 1800 users. Trust me -- you don't
want to
>be in a situation where you've chosen a particular package,
gotten
>half way into moving all the users over to it, only to find
it can't
>scale with you and you need to re-do the entire project with
a
>different package. Been there, done that, still have the
singed
>hairs to prove it.
>
>--
>Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>
>"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary
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>________________
>Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:02:12 -0400
>From: John DeCarlo <jdecarlo at mitre.org>
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to show name in the
subscriber list mailman 2.1.2 ?
>To: Rob Brandt <bronto at csd-bes.net>
>Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>
>Rob,
>
>I can't help you with the web interface. The cgi-bin
programs are not
>plain text Python. Presumably they are compiled code,
binaries.
>
>Perhaps you could go to the sourceforge Mailman site and
submit this as
>an enhancement request.
>
>Another alternative is to fiddle with the email "who"
command - a script
>I posted earlier. Then by email you can get subscriber's
full names.
>
>Rob Brandt wrote:
>
>> Yes, I'm sure I misunderstood since I may not have gotten
the original question
>> that you answered.
>>
>> I was hoping for a subscriber's list function including
names that could be
>> browsed from the listinfo page. I've never really
understood why it's not
>> there in the first place; I've never seen the usefulness
of showing a
>> subscriber's list on listinfo containing only email
addresses.
>>
>
>--
>
>John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own
>
>
>
>
>________________
>Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:07:57 -0400
>From: "Mark Haney" <mhaney at polk.k12.nc.us>
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why won't Mailman send mail?
>To: <mailman-users at python.org>
>
>Okay, I followed the FAQ on why mailman won't send email to
users. The
>big thing I noticed is that in /etc/passwd, the mailman
account has a
>default shell of /bin/false, is that supposed to be? Also,
there's no
>home folder for the mailman user, so I can't check on the
cron jobs.
>Should I assume that, with no cron jobs running, no mail is
going out?
>
>Aside from that here's a copy of /var/mail/maillog
concerning my recent
>attempt to send an email to the list, is this any help with
figuring out
>why I can't get list mail sent?
>
>Jul 22 11:13:31 pcweb sendmail[30892]: h6MFDUrW030892:
>from=<m_haney at hotmail.com>, size=822, class=0, nrcpts=1,
>msgid=<BAY9-F62jLQZwbVcxjX00009b5f at hotmail.com>, proto=ESMTP,
>daemon=MTA, relay=bay9-f62.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.47.62]
>Jul 22 11:13:32 pcweb sendmail[30893]: h6MFDUrW030892:
>to="|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post weather",
>ctladdr=<weather at pcweb.polk.k12.nc.us> (8/0), delay=00:00:01,
>xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=31032, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
>Jul 22 11:13:34 pcweb sendmail[30895]: h6MFDYrW030895:
>from=<weather-bounces at pcweb.polk.k12.nc.us>, size=1863,
class=-30,
>nrcpts=1, msgid=<BAY9-F62jLQZwbVcxjX00009b5f at hotmail.com>,
proto=ESMTP,
>daemon=MTA, relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
>
>--------------------------------------------
>Jesus is coming - look busy!
>
>Mark Haney
>Polk County Schools IT Staff/Technical Guru
>http://www.polk.k12.nc.us
>
>________________
>Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:46:31 -0400
>From: Todd <Freedom_Lover at pobox.com>
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Why won't Mailman send mail?
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>
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>Mark Haney wrote:
>> Okay, I followed the FAQ on why mailman won't send email
to users. The
>> big thing I noticed is that in /etc/passwd, the mailman
account has a
>> default shell of /bin/false, is that supposed to be?
>
>I don't *think* that'll break anything, but then, I'm not
using the redhat
>rpm and my mailman users doesn't have /bin/false as a shell.
>
>> Also, there's no home folder for the mailman user, so I
can't check on the
>> cron jobs. Should I assume that, with no cron jobs
running, no mail is
>> going out?
>
>2.1.2 doesn't use the cron jobs for sending mail AFAIK, so
even if they
>weren't setup right, that should affect mail delivery. It
would break some
>other stuff though so you want to check that they are
setup. You can do
>that like so (from an account with sufficient privileges,
like root):
>
> crontab -u mailman -l
>
>> Aside from that here's a copy of /var/mail/maillog
concerning my recent
>> attempt to send an email to the list, is this any help
with figuring out
>> why I can't get list mail sent?
>>
>> Jul 22 11:13:31 pcweb sendmail[30892]: h6MFDUrW030892:
>> from=<m_haney at hotmail.com>, size=822, class=0, nrcpts=1,
>> msgid=<BAY9-F62jLQZwbVcxjX00009b5f at hotmail.com>,
proto=ESMTP,
>> daemon=MTA, relay=bay9-f62.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.47.62]
>> Jul 22 11:13:32 pcweb sendmail[30893]: h6MFDUrW030892:
>> to="|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post weather",
>> ctladdr=<weather at pcweb.polk.k12.nc.us> (8/0),
delay=00:00:01,
>> xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=31032, dsn=2.0.0,
stat=Sent
>> Jul 22 11:13:34 pcweb sendmail[30895]: h6MFDYrW030895:
>> from=<weather-bounces at pcweb.polk.k12.nc.us>, size=1863,
class=-30,
>> nrcpts=1, msgid=<BAY9-F62jLQZwbVcxjX00009b5f at hotmail.com>,
proto=ESMTP,
>> daemon=MTA, relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
>
>That says the mail got passed to mailman OK. You might want
to look at the
>mailman logs to see what errors might have prevented it from
going out to
>the list. I think redhat puts them in /var/log/mailman .
>
>- --
>Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL:
www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
>=============================================================
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>Some people are like Slinkies... not really good for
anything, but you still
>can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.
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>________________
>Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:56:34 -0400
>From: Todd <Freedom_Lover at pobox.com>
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] More madness
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>
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>Mark Haney wrote:
>> I caved.
>
>D'oh! Good luck with it. :)
>
>> Jason Buscema gave me the answer to the problem with the
RPM
>> version of mailman. I re-installed it and added the 2
lines to make
>> mailman know what user/group to use.
>
>Hehe, nothing like having to fix the simple 'do all the
setup for you' rpm
>version.
>
>> Everything is peachy keen.
>
>Well, except for the below, right?
>
>> I have 2 problems. First, in the auto-respond message I
get when
>> subscribing as a new user, the confirmation URL is still
pointing to
>> http://porky.redhat....., etc. In the email itself, the
reply-to address
>> is correct. What's the fix to that? I have the
DEFAULT_URL_HOST setup in
>> mm_cfg.py.
>
>After you add the DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST
(and the
>add_virtualhost call below them), you need to restart the
mailman service to
>make it take effect. And you'll also need to use the
fix_url script to
>correct any lists you created before you made this change,
they will still
>have the bad defaults. If you only have test lists, it
might be just as
>easy to delete them and recreate them if you're unsure of
how to use the
>fix_url script.
>
>> Second, I receive the subscription emails and confirmation
emails
>> correctly. But when I post a new message to the list, I
don't get the
>> actual posted message sent back to me. It's obvious
mailman/sendmail is
>> setup (mostly) correctly, but where's the new message
going?
>
>Look at the logs in /var/logs/mailman for clues (I think
that's where redhat
>moves them to).
>
>> Remember, I'm a newbie to mailman, so be gentle. Thanks.
>
>So far, every issue you have is caused by the bad redhat 9
rpm. I hope you
>don't hold this against mailman. It is really nice
software. It's just a
>shame that the packager of the redhat 9 rpm was on crack
when he put the rpm
>together and unleashed it on the unsuspecting masses. ;-)
>
>- --
>Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL:
www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
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>________________
>Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:48:35 +0100
>From: Richard Barrett <r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to show name in the
subscriber list mailman 2.1.2 ?
>To: John DeCarlo <jdecarlo at mitre.org>
>Cc: Rob Brandt <bronto at csd-bes.net>, mailman-users at python.org
>
>
>On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 06:02 PM, John DeCarlo wrote:
>
>> Rob,
>>
>> I can't help you with the web interface. The cgi-bin
programs are not
>> plain text Python. Presumably they are compiled code,
binaries.
>>
>
>Not quite correct. The actual work of MM CGI programs is
done by
>regular Python scripts located in $prefix/Mailman/Cgi
>
>These Python scripts are actually run by compiled C security
wrappers
>launched by the web server but the Python scripts do the
work. Only if
>you want to introduce an additional CGI program do you need
to worry
>about the security wrappers.
>
>> Perhaps you could go to the sourceforge Mailman site and
submit this
>> as an enhancement request.
>>
>> Another alternative is to fiddle with the email "who"
command - a
>> script I posted earlier. Then by email you can get
subscriber's full
>> names.
>>
>> Rob Brandt wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I'm sure I misunderstood since I may not have gotten
the
>>> original question
>>> that you answered.
>>> I was hoping for a subscriber's list function including
names that
>>> could be
>>> browsed from the listinfo page. I've never really
understood why
>>> it's not
>>> there in the first place; I've never seen the usefulness
of showing a
>>> subscriber's list on listinfo containing only email
addresses.
>>
>> --
>>
>> John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own
>
>
>________________
>Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:03:34 -0400
>From: "Rob Eckerson" <rob at regionalhelpwanted.com>
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass subscription
>To: <mailman-users at python.org>
>
>I want to mass subscribe people that I have on another list.
I want to just send them an email with a link to subscribe(
cutting out the confirmation email). These people have
already opted in to receive email from me.
>Also, I noticed that when you mass subscribe a password is
assigned. Can I make a static password, rather than having to
run the change password script.
>Any help would be appreciated.From ewilts at www.ewilts.org Tue
Jul 22 17:16:19 2003
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>On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 05:03:34PM -0400, Rob Eckerson wrote:
>> I want to mass subscribe people that I have on another
list. I want to
>> just send them an email with a link to subscribe( cutting
out the
>> confirmation email). These people have already opted in to
receive
>> email from me.
>
>Since you've already got the list, simply do the following:
>bin/list_members listname >listname.members
>bin/add_members -r listname.members newlist
>
>You've got the option on the add_members to have the welcome
message go
>out or not. The members could easily unbsubscribe based on
the welcome
>message.
>
>--
>Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA
>mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
>
>________________
>Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:53:00 -0400
>From: Anne Campbell <ACampbell at us.swetsblackwell.com>
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I implement Mailman
>To: "'mailman-users at python.org'" <mailman-users at python.org>
>
>We want to implement Mailman but we know nothing.
>
>What do we need to do to put Mailman into production?
>
>Can you point me in the right direction on all the steps
necessary to use
>this great tool?
>
>Does GNU have a GUI?
>
>HELP!!!!!
>
>
>Anne Campbell
>IT Manager
>Swets Blackwell, Inc.
>160 Ninth Avenue
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