 tags from the web archives. The 
problem is that there is always line which is too long, it needs to be 
wrapped but the web archive tool in mailman doesn't do it.

~E

"There may still be two superpowers on the planet: the United States 
and world public opinion." -- Patrick E. Tyler

From jsmith at smittybuilt.com  Tue Jul  1 02:36:58 2003
From: jsmith at smittybuilt.com (jsmith)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:36:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Flat Threads when posting
	usingOutlook/Exchange clients
Message-ID: 

I have posted over and over that this issue is not just Outlook or MS
related.  I have the same issue with headers and footers regardless of
what email client is used.  I have 2.1.2 on a freebsd 4.7 machine with
sendmail.  My mac users send to the list, Eudora users, outlook and all
I have tried.  Same problem.

I am not saying its not more prevalent in outlook.  But it is happening
with other programs.  And I know everyone will be quick to say, don't
use sendmail, or you must have installed it wrong.  

I have posted the problem here before and no one has responded with
anything close to a resolution.  I was told by someone that it was being
address in the next version.  So I am waiting.

There doesn't seem to be nothing else I can do.

As far as the statement to use a MUA that doesn't suck.  You need to
crawl out of the 18th century.  MS has had the mail client world tied up
for a long time, and gains more everyday.  I personally don't like
Outlook in a pop3 environment.  But in an exchange environment protected
by a proper firewall there is only a few that compare for collaboration
and global use.  But then again, I come from an environment that has
servers all over the world synchronizing the GAL and shared objects
every night.  Not too many other options for global address books.
There are some.  But not many.

My little 2 cents

-----Original Message-----
From: Will Yardley [mailto:william+mm at hq.newdream.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 4:53 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Flat Threads when posting
usingOutlook/Exchange clients

On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 03:56:59PM -0700, Roy Santos wrote:

> I have seen a few postings regarding problems getting
> flat threads while posting using Outlook clients. See
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg03011.html.
> But what I haven't seen is an answer on how or what
> needs adjusting in MS for making proper threading that
> Netscape, Eudora, Mozilla, etc.

What needs adjusting? Using an MUA which doesn't suck.... I think some
versions of Outlook do generate the proper headers, but I imagine it's
based on version #, as opposed to being a configurable setting. The Mac
version (which is much better behaved in general) does.

> Is there a setting in the Defaults.py or other place to use "Subject"
> instead of "In-Reply-To" or "References"?

I'm pretty sure there isn't. A lot of MUAs can do this; it probably
wouldn't be a bad idea, but could cause unexpected problems (like when
people send messages to the list with generic subject lines).

-- 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Jul  1 03:09:18 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 01:09:18 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with web archive (second email)
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1057021755.2597.5.camel@Anncons4>

E, search the archives you will find at least one patch there that does
this - it's probably up on the SourceForge site.
You can also use grep to scan through the ~mailman/Mailman/archiver/..
files to find where the  tags are located.

I did this once myself in the way long back.  It wasn't as easy a hack
as I thought it was going to be, but I had it done (after a lot of trial
and error) in about 8 hours.  Figuring out where to put those darn 's
and 's was trickier than I thought - or maybe I was just younger
and more optimistic.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2003-06-30 at 20:06, E M Recio wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am still wondering if anyone out there has a clue as to where I could 
> find the patch which removes the 
 tags from the web archives. The 
> problem is that there is always line which is too long, it needs to be 
> wrapped but the web archive tool in mailman doesn't do it.
> 
> ~E
> 
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> and world public opinion." -- Patrick E. Tyler
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Jul  1 03:20:51 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 01:20:51 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Flat Threads when posting
	usingOutlook/Exchange clients
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1057022448.2597.17.camel@Anncons4>

To allow a Mail-client to Thread email, it puts a special header line in
the email. When a similar Mail-client responds, it recognizes the
special header and maintains that special header in any response.
Sometimes a Mail-client adds it's own header that specifically says: In
response to Message-xxxxx.

The problem is that different Mail-clients use different headers for
determining if a mail is a response or not. Eudora is very robust in
handling various different "standards", and often can thread mail fairly
well.  On the other hand, Outlook is fairly poor and doesn't even
recognize other MS threading "standards" - or for that matter the
threading "standards" of other versions of Outlook.

Outlook also wipes out any identifying header information when it
creates the header for a responding message.

I hope that explains why most Admins treat threading email in Outlook as
a joke.

I'm not aware of a IEEE standard's RFC that covers the threading of
email.  I'm sure there is one, but the major makers of email clients
seem to be ignoring it.

Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2003-06-30 at 20:36, jsmith wrote:
> I have posted over and over that this issue is not just Outlook or MS
> related.  I have the same issue with headers and footers regardless of
> what email client is used.  I have 2.1.2 on a freebsd 4.7 machine with
> sendmail.  My mac users send to the list, Eudora users, outlook and all
> I have tried.  Same problem.
> 
> I am not saying its not more prevalent in outlook.  But it is happening
> with other programs.  And I know everyone will be quick to say, don't
> use sendmail, or you must have installed it wrong.  
> 
> I have posted the problem here before and no one has responded with
> anything close to a resolution.  I was told by someone that it was being
> address in the next version.  So I am waiting.
> 
> There doesn't seem to be nothing else I can do.
> 
> As far as the statement to use a MUA that doesn't suck.  You need to
> crawl out of the 18th century.  MS has had the mail client world tied up
> for a long time, and gains more everyday.  I personally don't like
> Outlook in a pop3 environment.  But in an exchange environment protected
> by a proper firewall there is only a few that compare for collaboration
> and global use.  But then again, I come from an environment that has
> servers all over the world synchronizing the GAL and shared objects
> every night.  Not too many other options for global address books.
> There are some.  But not many.
> 
> My little 2 cents
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will Yardley [mailto:william+mm at hq.newdream.net] 
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 4:53 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Flat Threads when posting
> usingOutlook/Exchange clients
> 
> On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 03:56:59PM -0700, Roy Santos wrote:
> 
> > I have seen a few postings regarding problems getting
> > flat threads while posting using Outlook clients. See
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg03011.html.
> > But what I haven't seen is an answer on how or what
> > needs adjusting in MS for making proper threading that
> > Netscape, Eudora, Mozilla, etc.
> 
> What needs adjusting? Using an MUA which doesn't suck.... I think some
> versions of Outlook do generate the proper headers, but I imagine it's
> based on version #, as opposed to being a configurable setting. The Mac
> version (which is much better behaved in general) does.
> 
> > Is there a setting in the Defaults.py or other place to use "Subject"
> > instead of "In-Reply-To" or "References"?
> 
> I'm pretty sure there isn't. A lot of MUAs can do this; it probably
> wouldn't be a bad idea, but could cause unexpected problems (like when
> people send messages to the list with generic subject lines).

From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Tue Jul  1 03:56:25 2003
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 01:56:25 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I view current bouncing email addresses?
Message-ID: <1057024206.1504.45.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org>

I would like to know, if it is possible to see the current bouncing
email address that mailman has. And is it possible to manually remove
them from the database?

From paul at thcwd.com  Tue Jul  1 04:47:16 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:47:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] %(help)s
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030630214225.07eb24d0@mail.thcwd.com>

      Can someone point me to some information on the variables mailman 
uses that are in the form of  %(variable)s   ?

      Google is no help as it can not properly parse "%(variable)s".

      Or is someone want's to just give me a fish on this one, how can I 
transfer the contents of one of these variable to a JavaScript variable?

%(thanks_Paul)s  

From dave at plover.net  Tue Jul  1 06:47:20 2003
From: dave at plover.net (David A. Cornelson)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:47:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem
Message-ID: 

I have Mailman 2.1.2 installed on a Debian box. I run Exim and this was
working fine until a recent upgrade via Apt-Get.

Can anyone help?

Here's the error page:

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 96, in main
    process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata, language)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 176, in
process_form
    mlist.AddMember(userdesc, remote)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 831, in AddMember
    text=text, lang=lang)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 206, in __init__
    errors='replace')
TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'errors'

  _____  

Python information:

Variable

Value

sys.version

2.2.2 (#1, Mar 21 2003, 23:01:54) [GCC 3.2.3 20030316 (Debian prerelease)] 

sys.executable

/usr/bin/python 

sys.prefix

/usr 

sys.exec_prefix

/usr 

sys.path

/usr 

sys.platform

linux2 

  _____  

Environment variables:

Variable

Value

HTTP_ACCEPT 

image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg,
application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/msword,
application/x-shockwave-flash, */* 

CONTENT_TYPE 

application/x-www-form-urlencoded 

HTTP_REFERER 

http://plover.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/beta 

SERVER_SOFTWARE 

Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) Debian GNU/Linux mod_jk/1.1.0 DAV/1.0.3 

PYTHONPATH 

/var/lib/mailman 

SCRIPT_FILENAME 

/usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/subscribe 

SERVER_ADMIN 

root at plover.net 

SCRIPT_NAME 

/cgi-bin/mailman/subscribe 

SERVER_SIGNATURE 

REQUEST_METHOD 

POST 

HTTP_HOST 

plover.net 

PATH_INFO 

/beta 

SERVER_PROTOCOL 

HTTP/1.1 

QUERY_STRING 

HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL 

no-cache 

REQUEST_URI 

/cgi-bin/mailman/subscribe/beta 

CONTENT_LENGTH 

115 

PATH_TRANSLATED 

/home/httpd/html/beta 

HTTP_USER_AGENT 

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.2; .NET CLR 1.1.4322) 

HTTP_CONNECTION 

Keep-Alive 

SERVER_NAME 

plover.net 

REMOTE_ADDR 

64.81.228.28 

REMOTE_PORT 

8200 

HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 

en-us 

SERVER_ADDR 

64.81.228.29 

SERVER_PORT 

80 

GATEWAY_INTERFACE 

CGI/1.1 

REMOTE_HOST 

dsl081-228-028.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net 

HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 

gzip, deflate 

UNIQUE_ID 

PwERGEBR5B0AAB4HGxM 

DOCUMENT_ROOT 

/home/httpd/html 

From chris at woodchipcomputers.co.uk  Tue Jul  1 08:57:52 2003
From: chris at woodchipcomputers.co.uk (Chris Wright)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 07:57:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reminder messages
Message-ID: <3F013F00.13529.3DA4367@localhost>

Every month, the same thing.  A collection of messages to me, saying, 
"EH? What's all that about?

This, of course, is in response to the "Monthly Reminder" that's 
mailed out.  Most of my users wouldn't know what a "URL" was if it 
got up and bit them...

I've found various versions of this message - and I thought that I'd 
edited them all into plain English.  But they still come back with 
the jargon version.  Where do I go to make the change?

I'm using an old version of Mailman (2.0.13)  

(I know I should upgrade - but I have a Day Job; the software is 
working; I can't afford to cause hiccoughs just now...)

From brazda at changenet.sk  Tue Jul  1 11:07:03 2003
From: brazda at changenet.sk (Norbert Brazda)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:07:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages not posting to the list,
	but being digested?
References: 
Message-ID: <03c301c33fb0$2821e5d0$0500000a@ws5>

I have the same problem. 

norbert
WWW.CHANGENET.SK 

Greg Swallow gswallow at netgawds.com 
Sun Jun 1 02:17:35 EDT 2003 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have a question...
> 
> I have a list that had digesting turned on.  It's now off.  This list 
> runs on Solaris 9, Python 2.2.2, Qmail, and Mailman 2.1.2 (although I 
> had the problem with 2.1.1 too).
> 
> Two times now, I've had messages meant to be posted to the list get 
> discarded.  All that happened, I thought, was that the messages were 
> being discarded, as shown in the vette log.
> 
> However, the digest.mbox file was getting updated, so I cat /dev/null > 
> digest.mbox and then turn off digesting, and it works.
> 
> ?? -- any suggestions?

From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be  Tue Jul  1 11:19:08 2003
From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:19:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not able to access admin web interface
Message-ID: <20030701091908.GA25443@jeroen.fw.belnet.be>

Hello,

Small glitch here. For one specific list I'm not able to access the
online admin interface. I type the password and it just sits there.

Logging in on other lists works fine. I even tried several browsers.
The machine has a quite heavy load for the moment, but other list logins
seem to work fine.

Any ideas?

-Jeroen-

-- 
Jeroen Valcke
sst at belnet.be
jeroen.valcke at belnet.be

From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Jul  1 12:21:15 2003
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 12:21:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Flat Threads when posting 
	usingOutlook/Exchange clients
In-Reply-To: <1057022448.2597.17.camel@Anncons4>
References: 
	<1057022448.2597.17.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: 

At 9:20 PM -0400 2003/06/30, Jon Carnes wrote:

>  I'm not aware of a IEEE standard's RFC that covers the threading of
>  email.  I'm sure there is one, but the major makers of email clients
>  seem to be ignoring it.

	RFC 2822 "Internet Message Format" (2001) defines the current 
behaviour of the "In-Reply-To:" and "References:" fields.  See 
.  IIRC, these fields were 
initially defined in RFC 822 "Standard for the Format of ARPA 
Internet Text Messages" (1982), see 
, although they might have been 
defined even earlier.

-- 
======================================================================
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Jul  1 12:11:46 2003
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 12:11:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Flat Threads when posting 
	usingOutlook/Exchange clients
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

At 5:36 PM -0700 2003/06/30, jsmith wrote:

>  I have posted over and over that this issue is not just Outlook or MS
>  related.  I have the same issue with headers and footers regardless of
>  what email client is used.  I have 2.1.2 on a freebsd 4.7 machine with
>  sendmail.  My mac users send to the list, Eudora users, outlook and all
>  I have tried.  Same problem.

	Lack of proper headers (or headers being improperly formatted) is 
usually caused by the MUA.  However, in your case, it would seem that 
the cause may be an MTA between your server and your clients, which 
is causing headers to be incorrectly munged.

>  I am not saying its not more prevalent in outlook.  But it is happening
>  with other programs.  And I know everyone will be quick to say, don't
>  use sendmail, or you must have installed it wrong.

	Sendmail will not cause these problems, unless you (or someone 
else) severely mis-configured it to do so.  Same with postfix or 
Exim.  I can imagine that certain types of anti-virus and/or 
anti-spam processing engines might cause problems like this, or they 
might be caused by other MTAs that handle the mail before your 
mailing list server receives the messages.

>  As far as the statement to use a MUA that doesn't suck.  You need to
>  crawl out of the 18th century.  MS has had the mail client world tied up
>  for a long time, and gains more everyday.  I personally don't like
>  Outlook in a pop3 environment.  But in an exchange environment protected
>  by a proper firewall there is only a few that compare for collaboration
>  and global use.  But then again, I come from an environment that has
>  servers all over the world synchronizing the GAL and shared objects
>  every night.  Not too many other options for global address books.
>  There are some.  But not many.

	Yes, in a pure Microsoft-only environment, using Microsoft 
products to access Microsoft services on Microsoft servers, and 
totally isolated from the real world, and where Microsoft is your One 
True Yardstick of All Perfection, I can understand how you could 
potentially come to this conclusion.

	Otherwise, I'd suggest that you start looking for SPOFs (Single 
Points of Failure) where all mail coming into your mailing list or 
leaving your mailing list is processed through the same server (or 
set of servers all configured identically), or at least where all the 
mail messages exhibiting the "flat thread" problem pass through one 
server (or set of identically configured servers) whereas unaffected 
messages take a different route.

	As an Internet mail systems professional with over ten years 
experience in the field (including two years as the Sr. Internet Mail 
Administrator for AOL), and many years experience using and managing 
mailing lists with a variety of packages (not to mention years of 
experience administering various LAN e-mail packages), I believe that 
I can safely say that there is not likely to be anything that would 
cause the kind of problems that you're talking about with regards to 
FreeBSD or sendmail, and I certainly haven't seen these kinds of 
problems with mailman 2.1.2.

	So, it seems to me that you need to get back to basics.  Find out 
what is common between all the mail messages that exhibit the 
problem, and which is not found in the messages which are clean, and 
you most likely have found the root cause.

-- 
======================================================================
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

From jonas at freesources.org  Tue Jul  1 14:24:59 2003
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:24:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [bug in mm2.1] mailmanctl doesn't set groups.
Message-ID: <20030701122459.GB947@freesources.org>

hello,
the mailmanctl script doesn't set groups.
so when i run mailmanctl as root, i become list:list but still have the
groups that root has. that's a grave security bug.

a possible (and working) patch is attached.

bye
 mejo

ps: since the bug-reporting system at sourceforge doesn't work atm, i
report the bug to the two mailman lists.

-- 
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Now that we have the Neutron bomb
It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight
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From timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk  Tue Jul  1 14:33:48 2003
From: timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk (Timothy Arnold)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:33:48 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Templates
Message-ID: <37C2EF59D00B03419D3BC161B1CBB6EE33543B@Cov1MB1.becta.org.uk>

Hi Mailman users!

I have a question about Mailman & templates. I have nearly completed editing all the html files provided and placed them into the site wide template directory. All works perfectly!.

The problem I am having at the moment is trying to figure out how to edit the main listinfo page mailman.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo and the end user subscription page. We would like to make the site as branded as possible (except for admin interface). Does anyone know how to achieve this?

Thanks in advance,
Timothy

--
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Becta, Coventry, CV4 7JJ, UK                      Voice: +44 24 7684 7169
email: timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk                Fax:   +44 24 7641 1418 

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From jposel at zedat.fu-berlin.de  Tue Jul  1 14:31:31 2003
From: jposel at zedat.fu-berlin.de (Johannes Posel)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:31:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <6327698348.20030701143131@zedat.fu-berlin.de>

Dear David,

Am 01.07.2003, um 06:47, gab David A. Cornelson zu Protokoll...

> I have Mailman 2.1.2 installed on a Debian box. I run Exim and this was
> working fine until a recent upgrade via Apt-Get.

Exactly the same problem here. Any chance to fix it?

Cheers,
 Johannes                            mailto:jposel at zedat.fu-berlin.de

-- 
Remember:  Silly is a state of Mind, Stupid is a way of Life.

From john at betelgeuse.us  Tue Jul  1 15:31:13 2003
From: john at betelgeuse.us (John W. M. Stevens)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 07:31:13 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem
In-Reply-To: <6327698348.20030701143131@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
References: 
	<6327698348.20030701143131@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <20030701133113.GA17103@betelgeuse.us>

On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 02:31:31PM +0200, Johannes Posel wrote:
> Dear David,
> 
> Am 01.07.2003, um 06:47, gab David A. Cornelson zu Protokoll...
> 
> > I have Mailman 2.1.2 installed on a Debian box. I run Exim and this was
> > working fine until a recent upgrade via Apt-Get.
> 
> Exactly the same problem here. Any chance to fix it?

Well . . . I don't vouch for this solution, as I can't get Mailman
to work on my box yet (it seems to run just fine, but nothing gets
remailed through my test list yet . . . there seems to be some
configuration issue in regards to adding subscribers to a list, or
interacting with Exim) but if you change the instantiation call on
line 206 of Message.py to remove the extraneous parameter:

   self['Subject'] = Header(subject, charset, header_name='Subject')

I can get through running 'newlist mailman', and quite a bit of the
user interface with nothing breaking.

Seeing as that classes __init__ didn't have a formal parameter of
the given name anyway, no real information should be lost by this
change.

But, again, I'm not a Mailman developer . . . just a programmer
who knows Python.

John S.

From embrey at hood.edu  Tue Jul  1 16:03:27 2003
From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 10:03:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suppressing monthly membership reminders
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030701094515.00b28958@hermes.hood.edu>

Mailman List:

I am running version 2.1.1 and wanted to find out how I can suppress the 
monthly membership reminders. We are running Mailman to handle company 
distribution lists and the list administrator handles all subscriptions and 
list maintenance.

Bruce Embrey

Bruce Edward Embrey : VMS Systems Manager
Campus Email Admin : UNIX / Linux Administrator
Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927

From jmehd at hns.com  Tue Jul  1 16:27:42 2003
From: jmehd at hns.com (Jaysheel Mehd)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 10:27:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error reporting bug in mailman
Message-ID: <3F019A5E.7080500@hns.com>

Hi,

I installed mailman on my test server and configured it as required. On
visiting the URL : http://servername/mailman/admin it gives em
foollowing errrors. Any clues?

Thanks in advance,
Jaysheel

    Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2

      We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please
email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a
description of what happened. Thanks!

        Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 68, in run_main
    immediate=1)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 52, 
in __init__
    Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 49, in __init__
    self.__get_f()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 67, in __get_f
    1)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/codecs.py", line 496, in open
    file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error'

------------------------------------------------------------------------

        Python information:

Variable 	Value
sys.version 	2.2.3 (#1, Jun 27 2003, 14:16:32) [GCC 2.95.2 19991024
(release)]
sys.executable 	/usr/local/bin/python
sys.prefix 	/usr/local
sys.exec_prefix 	/usr/local
sys.path 	/usr/local
sys.platform 	sunos5

------------------------------------------------------------------------

        Environment variables:

Variable 	Value
PYTHONPATH 	/usr/local/mailman
SERVER_SOFTWARE 	Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) mod_perl/1.24 ApacheJserv/1.1.2
SCRIPT_FILENAME 	/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
SERVER_ADMIN 	[no address given]
SCRIPT_NAME 	/mailman/admin
SERVER_SIGNATURE 	
Apache/1.3.12 Server at corelab2.it.labs.md.hnsnet Port 80

REQUEST_METHOD 	GET
HTTP_HOST 	corelab2.it.labs.md.hnsnet
HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 	300
SERVER_PROTOCOL 	HTTP/1.1
QUERY_STRING 	
HTTP_CONNECTION 	keep-alive
REQUEST_URI 	/mailman/admin
HTTP_ACCEPT
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1 

HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET 	ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
HTTP_USER_AGENT 	Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4a)
Gecko/20030401
TZ 	US/Eastern
SERVER_NAME 	corelab2.it.labs.md.hnsnet
REMOTE_ADDR 	139.85.232.127
REMOTE_PORT 	32920
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 	en-us,en;q=0.5
SERVER_ADDR 	10.36.192.60
SERVER_PORT 	80
GATEWAY_INTERFACE 	CGI/1.1
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 	gzip,deflate
UNIQUE_ID 	PwB2-QokwDwAAGPlPCQ
DOCUMENT_ROOT 	/var/apache/htdocs

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From jmehd at hns.com  Tue Jul  1 16:27:53 2003
From: jmehd at hns.com (Jaysheel Mehd)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 10:27:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error reporting bug in mailman
Message-ID: <3F019A69.8080508@hns.com>

Hi,

I installed mailman on my test server and configured it as required. On
visiting the URL : http://servername/mailman/admin it gives em
foollowing errrors. Any clues?

Thanks in advance,
Jaysheel

    Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2

      We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please
email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a
description of what happened. Thanks!

        Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 68, in run_main
    immediate=1)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 52, 
in __init__
    Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 49, in __init__
    self.__get_f()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 67, in __get_f
    1)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/codecs.py", line 496, in open
    file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error'

------------------------------------------------------------------------

        Python information:

Variable 	Value
sys.version 	2.2.3 (#1, Jun 27 2003, 14:16:32) [GCC 2.95.2 19991024
(release)]
sys.executable 	/usr/local/bin/python
sys.prefix 	/usr/local
sys.exec_prefix 	/usr/local
sys.path 	/usr/local
sys.platform 	sunos5

------------------------------------------------------------------------

        Environment variables:

Variable 	Value
PYTHONPATH 	/usr/local/mailman
SERVER_SOFTWARE 	Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) mod_perl/1.24 ApacheJserv/1.1.2
SCRIPT_FILENAME 	/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
SERVER_ADMIN 	[no address given]
SCRIPT_NAME 	/mailman/admin
SERVER_SIGNATURE 	
Apache/1.3.12 Server at corelab2.it.labs.md.hnsnet Port 80

REQUEST_METHOD 	GET
HTTP_HOST 	corelab2.it.labs.md.hnsnet
HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 	300
SERVER_PROTOCOL 	HTTP/1.1
QUERY_STRING 	
HTTP_CONNECTION 	keep-alive
REQUEST_URI 	/mailman/admin
HTTP_ACCEPT
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1 

HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET 	ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
HTTP_USER_AGENT 	Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4a)
Gecko/20030401
TZ 	US/Eastern
SERVER_NAME 	corelab2.it.labs.md.hnsnet
REMOTE_ADDR 	139.85.232.127
REMOTE_PORT 	32920
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 	en-us,en;q=0.5
SERVER_ADDR 	10.36.192.60
SERVER_PORT 	80
GATEWAY_INTERFACE 	CGI/1.1
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 	gzip,deflate
UNIQUE_ID 	PwB2-QokwDwAAGPlPCQ
DOCUMENT_ROOT 	/var/apache/htdocs

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From paul at thcwd.com  Tue Jul  1 16:06:58 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 09:06:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030701090440.07e82ea0@mail.thcwd.com>

"Timothy Arnold" wrote:
>The problem I am having at the moment is trying to figure out how to edit 
>the main listinfo page mailman.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo and the end 
>user subscription page. We would like to make the site as branded as 
>possible (except for admin interface). Does anyone know how to achieve this?

      From the admin page click "Edit public HTML pages on the right side a 
little above the Logout link.

<>< Paul 

From bantonio at di.fc.ul.pt  Tue Jul  1 16:08:07 2003
From: bantonio at di.fc.ul.pt (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bruno_Ant=F3nio?=)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 15:08:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suppressing monthly membership reminders
References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030701094515.00b28958@hermes.hood.edu>
Message-ID: <3F0195C7.3060706@di.fc.ul.pt>

   There is an option in The General options web page that asks exactly 
what you want "Send monthly password reminders? " you only have to say No.

   Hope that this has helped you.

Bruce Embrey wrote:

> Mailman List:
>
> I am running version 2.1.1 and wanted to find out how I can suppress 
> the monthly membership reminders. We are running Mailman to handle 
> company distribution lists and the list administrator handles all 
> subscriptions and list maintenance.
>
> Bruce Embrey
>
> Bruce Edward Embrey : VMS Systems Manager
> Campus Email Admin : UNIX / Linux Administrator
> Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927
>
>
>
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Tel: +351 217500513 Fax: +351 217500084

From bantonio at di.fc.ul.pt  Tue Jul  1 16:09:57 2003
From: bantonio at di.fc.ul.pt (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bruno_Ant=F3nio?=)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 15:09:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suppressing monthly membership reminders
References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030701094515.00b28958@hermes.hood.edu>
Message-ID: <3F019635.4090103@di.fc.ul.pt>

  Ups, I have just noticed that I have Mailman 2.1.2, is that a new 
feature or that option also exists in 2.1.1?

Bruce Embrey wrote:

> Mailman List:
>
> I am running version 2.1.1 and wanted to find out how I can suppress 
> the monthly membership reminders. We are running Mailman to handle 
> company distribution lists and the list administrator handles all 
> subscriptions and list maintenance.
>
> Bruce Embrey
>
> Bruce Edward Embrey : VMS Systems Manager
> Campus Email Admin : UNIX / Linux Administrator
> Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
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Universidade de Lisboa,
Campo Grande Bloco C5 piso 1 sala 5.1.25B 1749-016 Lisboa - Portugal
Tel: +351 217500513 Fax: +351 217500084

From timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk  Tue Jul  1 16:16:42 2003
From: timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk (Timothy Arnold)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:16:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates
Message-ID: <37C2EF59D00B03419D3BC161B1CBB6EE33543D@Cov1MB1.becta.org.uk>

That edits the listinfo for the list, not the list of lists...

Thanks,
Timothy. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:paul at thcwd.com] 
Sent: 01 July 2003 15:07
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates

"Timothy Arnold" wrote:
>The problem I am having at the moment is trying to figure out how to 
>edit
>the main listinfo page mailman.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo and the end >user subscription page. We would like to make the site as branded as 
>possible (except for admin interface). Does anyone know how to achieve this?

      From the admin page click "Edit public HTML pages on the right side a little above the Logout link.

<>< Paul 

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From rikard at ratblast.net  Tue Jul  1 08:57:54 2003
From: rikard at ratblast.net (Rikard Florin)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:57:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Excessive CPU usage
Message-ID: <20030701065754.GA1577@ratblast.net>

Hi,

> Barry Warsaw did make a change in the CVS a short while ago to help deal 
> with this class of problem. Take a look at:
> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mailman/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py

I'm running mailman 2.1.2 and having serious problems with CPU usage, is 
there any chance to have a patch for the above CVS changes or something? 
I don't know if it's the solution to my problems, but right now mailman 
is eating about 80-90% of my CPU time and I have to try something.

I'm not running any huge lists which would require heavy archiving or 
anything so the above mentioned problem seemed like a possibility, but if 
someone has got a better suggestion I'm all ears... :)

my setup: python 2.3, postfix, mailman 2.1.2, Mac OS X 10.3 DP

cheers,
rikard

From damian at science.nus.edu.sg  Tue Jul  1 09:32:07 2003
From: damian at science.nus.edu.sg (damian)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 07:32:07 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments
Message-ID: <1057044715.31467.3.camel@damian>

Hi,

I am currently using mailman. When I post a .xls and .doc attachment,
the attachment that I receive becomes a .dot and .xlb 

Can you please advice?

Thanks and rgds,
Damian
-- 
damian 

From dewang at pc4india.com  Tue Jul  1 12:47:35 2003
From: dewang at pc4india.com (Dewang Modi)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 16:17:35 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Cpanel
Message-ID: 

Dear Sirs,

I am a user of Cpanel server with the Mailman mailing list program. I do
not know what technical information to include here with my problem.

The problem is that I had created a list with the name reseller on my
domain pc4india.com. I had added about 376 members to the list. It
worked fine for some time. Now, whenever I send a mail to the list, it
only comes to me (as I am also a member of the list) on my domain -
pc4india.com. It does not reach any other member. Ocassionally it
reaches me on my yahoo address.

I tried deleting and recreating the entire list and now it does not even
reach on my yahoo account. I am not able to figure out what is the
problem.

To diagnose, I created another list with only 6 members and I send a
test message and it worked fine. Earlier, i used to hv about 700+
members on the 'reseller' list which now I have reduced to 119 in the
new list, but still it is not working.

If anyone knows what could be the problem or how to diagnose the
problem, any help will be welcome.

Best regards,

Dewang Modi
Partner
Global Infotech
3rd Floor, Khemka House
Nr. Drive In Cinema
Ahmedabad - 380 054 INDIA 

Ph: +91 (79) 745 0372/ 745 7611 - 12
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Yahoo ID:   mave_arch at yahoo.com

From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue Jul  1 16:22:33 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 15:22:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem
In-Reply-To: <20030701133113.GA17103@betelgeuse.us>
References: <6327698348.20030701143131@zedat.fu-berlin.de>

	<6327698348.20030701143131@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030701152021.04d30cf0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 14:31 01/07/2003, John W. M. Stevens wrote:
>On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 02:31:31PM +0200, Johannes Posel wrote:
> > Dear David,
> >
> > Am 01.07.2003, um 06:47, gab David A. Cornelson zu Protokoll...
> >
> > > I have Mailman 2.1.2 installed on a Debian box. I run Exim and this was
> > > working fine until a recent upgrade via Apt-Get.
> >
> > Exactly the same problem here. Any chance to fix it?
>
>Well . . . I don't vouch for this solution, as I can't get Mailman
>to work on my box yet (it seems to run just fine, but nothing gets
>remailed through my test list yet . . . there seems to be some
>configuration issue in regards to adding subscribers to a list, or
>interacting with Exim) but if you change the instantiation call on
>line 206 of Message.py to remove the extraneous parameter:
>
>    self['Subject'] = Header(subject, charset, header_name='Subject')
>
>I can get through running 'newlist mailman', and quite a bit of the
>user interface with nothing breaking.
>
>Seeing as that classes __init__ didn't have a formal parameter of
>the given name anyway, no real information should be lost by this
>change.
>
>But, again, I'm not a Mailman developer . . . just a programmer
>who knows Python.
>
>John S.

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers at python.org/msg06122.html may 
be relevant

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue Jul  1 16:22:38 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 15:22:38 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suppressing monthly membership reminders
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030701094515.00b28958@hermes.hood.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030701151649.045d2548@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 15:03 01/07/2003, Bruce Embrey wrote:
>Mailman List:
>
>I am running version 2.1.1 and wanted to find out how I can suppress the 
>monthly membership reminders. We are running Mailman to handle company 
>distribution lists and the list administrator handles all subscriptions 
>and list maintenance.

On the list's General Options admin web GUI page. Look for the string "Send 
monthly password reminders?"

>Bruce Embrey
>
>Bruce Edward Embrey : VMS Systems Manager
>Campus Email Admin : UNIX / Linux Administrator
>Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927
>

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Jul  1 16:56:25 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 14:56:25 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not able to access admin web interface
In-Reply-To: <20030701091908.GA25443@jeroen.fw.belnet.be>
References: <20030701091908.GA25443@jeroen.fw.belnet.be>
Message-ID: <1057071379.2629.0.camel@Anncons4>

Check for lock files on the server. If you find any for that list,
delete them and then try to login to the list.

Good Luck

On Tue, 2003-07-01 at 05:19, Jeroen Valcke wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Small glitch here. For one specific list I'm not able to access the
> online admin interface. I type the password and it just sits there.
> 
> Logging in on other lists works fine. I even tried several browsers.
> The machine has a quite heavy load for the moment, but other list logins
> seem to work fine.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> -Jeroen-

From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be  Tue Jul  1 17:08:37 2003
From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:08:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not able to access admin web interface
In-Reply-To: <20030701091908.GA25443@jeroen.fw.belnet.be>
References: <20030701091908.GA25443@jeroen.fw.belnet.be>
Message-ID: <20030701150837.GA26632@jeroen.fw.belnet.be>

On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 11:19:08AM +0200, Jeroen Valcke wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Small glitch here. For one specific list I'm not able to access the
> online admin interface. I type the password and it just sits there.
> 
> Logging in on other lists works fine. I even tried several browsers.
> The machine has a quite heavy load for the moment, but other list logins
> seem to work fine.
> 
> Any ideas?

It looks like a performance issue after all.
Strange however that other lists were more responsive.

-Jeroen-

-- 
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sst at belnet.be
jeroen.valcke at belnet.be

From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be  Tue Jul  1 17:09:05 2003
From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:09:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not able to access admin web interface
In-Reply-To: <1057071379.2629.0.camel@Anncons4>
References: <20030701091908.GA25443@jeroen.fw.belnet.be>
	<1057071379.2629.0.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <20030701150904.GB26632@jeroen.fw.belnet.be>

On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 10:56:19AM -0400, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Check for lock files on the server. If you find any for that list,
> delete them and then try to login to the list.

Any particular place where I can find the lock files? /tmp I guess?

-- 
Jeroen Valcke
sst at belnet.be
jeroen.valcke at belnet.be

From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be  Tue Jul  1 17:12:09 2003
From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:12:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list request alias doesn't seem to work
Message-ID: <20030701151209.GA26652@jeroen.fw.belnet.be>

Another strange problem.

Although messages to the list seem to pass just fine, there's a problem
with messages sent to the request alias, -request at mydomain.tld

These msgs do arrive on the server but aren't processed by MailMan.
Searched the MailMan logs but found nothing. Any ideas?

-Jeroen-

-- 
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jeroen.valcke at belnet.be

From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue Jul  1 17:15:42 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 16:15:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [bug in mm2.1] mailmanctl doesn't set
  groups. 
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030701160031.04c960a0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 13:24 01/07/2003, Jonas Meurer wrote:
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>
>hello,
>the mailmanctl script doesn't set groups.
>so when i run mailmanctl as root, i become list:list but still have the
>groups that root has. that's a grave security bug.

I think not. I believe you are mistaking the meaning of the output from the 
id command you are running. The group affiliations of the process do not 
mean that the uid in the output  has privileges of those groups. Just try 
getting the code in the ArchRunner.py to modify a file owned by root with 
no write privileges for other when mailmanctl has ben started by root to 
see what I mean. The process will only have the privileges associated with 
the uid/euid and gid/egid.

>a possible (and working) patch is attached.
>
>
>bye
>  mejo
>
>ps: since the bug-reporting system at sourceforge doesn't work atm, i
>report the bug to the two mailman lists.
>
>--
>Efficiency and progess is ours one more
>Now that we have the Neutron bomb
>It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
>Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight
>
>
>  mailmanctl.patch
>
>
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From bernd at firmix.at  Tue Jul  1 17:50:26 2003
From: bernd at firmix.at (Bernd Petrovitsch)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 15:50:26 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] alias lists
Message-ID: <1057073829.1256.39.camel@tara.firmix.at>

Hi all!

How does one handle multiple From:-email-addresses for one person within
mailman?
With majordomo, there was a hack/patch to have a separate (possibly
site-wide) alias-mailinglist which is used for the list membership test
(and administered similar to an ordinary mailinglist), but never sent
mail to.

Thanks in advance
	Bernd
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        Embedded Linux Development and Services

From paul at thcwd.com  Tue Jul  1 17:56:00 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 10:56:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030701105017.07f0ed50@mail.thcwd.com>

      That is what I get for answering a question when I should not yet be 
awake.  I belive that page is generated by a cgi script 
(mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo), which is going to make editing a real problem.

At 09:37 AM 7/1/2003, you wrote:
>That edits the listinfo for the list, not the list of lists...
>
>Thanks,
>Timothy.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:paul at thcwd.com]
>Sent: 01 July 2003 15:07
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates
>
>
>"Timothy Arnold" wrote:
> >The problem I am having at the moment is trying to figure out how to
> >edit
> >the main listinfo page mailman.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo and the 
> end >user subscription page. We would like to make the site as branded as
> >possible (except for admin interface). Does anyone know how to achieve this?
>
>       From the admin page click "Edit public HTML pages on the right side 
> a little above the Logout link.
>
>
><>< Paul

<>< Paul 

From jonas at freesources.org  Tue Jul  1 17:51:57 2003
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:51:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [bug in mm2.1] mailmanctl doesn't set groups.
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030701160031.04c960a0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030701160031.04c960a0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20030701155157.GB2009@freesources.org>

On 01/07/2003 Richard Barrett wrote:
> >the mailmanctl script doesn't set groups.
> >so when i run mailmanctl as root, i become list:list but still have the
> >groups that root has. that's a grave security bug.
> 
> I think not. I believe you are mistaking the meaning of the output from the 
> id command you are running. The group affiliations of the process do not 
> mean that the uid in the output  has privileges of those groups. Just try 
> getting the code in the ArchRunner.py to modify a file owned by root with 
> no write privileges for other when mailmanctl has ben started by root to 
> see what I mean. The process will only have the privileges associated with 
> the uid/euid and gid/egid.

ok, i believe that, but it's still a bug. add user list (running
mailman) to a group (i.e. testgroup), and try to modify a file owned
by someone.testgroup with write privileges only for group (and user if
you want).
that's exactly why i found that bug. the user (list) that runs my external
archiver (lurker) has to be in group lurker.

bye
 mejo

ps: i'm not subscribed to mailman-developers

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From chasm at texas.net  Tue Jul  1 17:40:37 2003
From: chasm at texas.net (schuetzen)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 10:40:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suppressing monthly membership reminders
In-Reply-To: <3F019635.4090103@di.fc.ul.pt>
References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030701094515.00b28958@hermes.hood.edu>
	<3F019635.4090103@di.fc.ul.pt>
Message-ID: <9oa3gvcqbscbcj9scr9222m5dqm3akb7pr@4ax.com>

On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 15:09:57 +0100, you wrote:

>  Ups, I have just noticed that I have Mailman 2.1.2, is that a new 
>feature or that option also exists in 2.1.1?

it also exists in 2.0.13
when is cPanel going to issue a new version which allows 2.1.x?  also RedHat
newer than 7.3?  etc....

sigh
chas
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From sean at crypto.co.za  Tue Jul  1 18:51:12 2003
From: sean at crypto.co.za (Sean Preston)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:51:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown Encoding Problem
Message-ID: <000101c33ff0$fafa1460$01f8fea9@THUNDERBIRD>

Hi

I have a mailman server running 2.1.2.  There is a list on the server
setup which we are attempting to post Thai language messages.  I keep
seeing the following sorts of entries in the error log file:

Jul 01 17:38:00 2003 (31941) Uncaught runner exception: unknown
encoding: windows-874
Jul 01 17:38:00 2003 (31941) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in
_oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in
_onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130,
in _dispose
    more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153,
in _dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 75, in
process
    prefix_subject(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 262,
in prefix_subject
    h.append(s, c)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 285, in
append
    s = s.encode(outcodec, errors)
LookupError: unknown encoding: windows-874

Jul 01 17:38:00 2003 (31941) SHUNTING:
1057066240.925378+c2d65d390f6a7b805c6436a8b76470a742c6a513

What would I need to do to fix this?  Any help would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks
Sean

From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue Jul  1 19:11:21 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 18:11:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [bug in mm2.1] mailmanctl doesn't set
  groups. 
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030701175732.044b0bb8@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 16:51 01/07/2003, Jonas Meurer wrote:

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>On 01/07/2003 Richard Barrett wrote:
> > >the mailmanctl script doesn't set groups.
> > >so when i run mailmanctl as root, i become list:list but still have the
> > >groups that root has. that's a grave security bug.
> >
> > I think not. I believe you are mistaking the meaning of the output from 
> the
> > id command you are running. The group affiliations of the process do not
> > mean that the uid in the output  has privileges of those groups. Just try
> > getting the code in the ArchRunner.py to modify a file owned by root with
> > no write privileges for other when mailmanctl has ben started by root to
> > see what I mean. The process will only have the privileges associated with
> > the uid/euid and gid/egid.
>
>ok, i believe that,

You should not have because your first assessment looks to be correct. I 
tried it for real and found you were right.

At a quick glance, it appears as though your proposed bug fix is the only 
convenient way of resolving using Python.

Try again to put the fix into sourceforge bug collector for MM.

>but it's still a bug. add user list (running
>mailman) to a group (i.e. testgroup), and try to modify a file owned
>by someone.testgroup with write privileges only for group (and user if
>you want).
>that's exactly why i found that bug. the user (list) that runs my external
>archiver (lurker) has to be in group lurker.
>
>bye
>  mejo
>
>ps: i'm not subscribed to mailman-developers
>
>--
>Efficiency and progess is ours one more
>Now that we have the Neutron bomb
>It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
>Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight
>
>
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From timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk  Tue Jul  1 19:27:19 2003
From: timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk (Timothy Arnold)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:27:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates
Message-ID: <37C2EF59D00B03419D3BC161B1CBB6EE335442@Cov1MB1.becta.org.uk>

That's what I thought... Anyone recommend a good python book? >:)

I presume this is the same for the subscriber options? I am trying to make as much of the mailman interface that the end user (subscriber) sees Becta branded as possible.

Thanks,
Timothy

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:paul at thcwd.com] 
Sent: 01 July 2003 16:56
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates

      That is what I get for answering a question when I should not yet be awake.  I belive that page is generated by a cgi script 
(mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo), which is going to make editing a real problem.

At 09:37 AM 7/1/2003, you wrote:
>That edits the listinfo for the list, not the list of lists...
>
>Thanks,
>Timothy.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:paul at thcwd.com]
>Sent: 01 July 2003 15:07
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates
>
>
>"Timothy Arnold" wrote:
> >The problem I am having at the moment is trying to figure out how to 
> >edit the main listinfo page mailman.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo and 
> >the
> end >user subscription page. We would like to make the site as branded 
> as
> >possible (except for admin interface). Does anyone know how to 
> >achieve this?
>
>       From the admin page click "Edit public HTML pages on the right 
> side
> a little above the Logout link.
>
>
><>< Paul

<>< Paul 

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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue Jul  1 19:30:35 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 18:30:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] alias lists
In-Reply-To: <1057073829.1256.39.camel@tara.firmix.at>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030701182619.04d3ace8@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 16:37 01/07/2003, Bernd Petrovitsch wrote:
>Hi all!
>
>How does one handle multiple From:-email-addresses for one person within
>mailman?

If the same person has multiple mail address, wants to post with any of 
them and is willing to receive mail from the list on only one of their mail 
addresses then have them subscribed multiple times with the different 
address and set all but one of them to nomail.

>With majordomo, there was a hack/patch to have a separate (possibly
>site-wide) alias-mailinglist which is used for the list membership test
>(and administered similar to an ordinary mailinglist), but never sent
>mail to.
>
>Thanks in advance
>         Bernd
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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Tue Jul  1 19:38:00 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:38:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates
In-Reply-To: <37C2EF59D00B03419D3BC161B1CBB6EE335442@Cov1MB1.becta.org.uk>
References: <37C2EF59D00B03419D3BC161B1CBB6EE335442@Cov1MB1.becta.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20030701173800.GC2334@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Timothy Arnold wrote:
> That's what I thought... Anyone recommend a good python book?>:)

You probably don't need a python book just to edit those files.  There are
just some text strings that the scripts spit out.  Modify them to taste and
leave the rest of the python code the same.

Not that getting a good python book would hurt or anything.

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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue Jul  1 20:01:14 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 19:01:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates
In-Reply-To: <37C2EF59D00B03419D3BC161B1CBB6EE335442@Cov1MB1.becta.org.u
 k>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030701183639.04e06d18@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 18:27 01/07/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote:
>That's what I thought... Anyone recommend a good python book? >:)
>
>I presume this is the same for the subscriber options? I am trying to make 
>as much of the mailman interface that the end user (subscriber) sees Becta 
>branded as possible.

If you are using MM 2.1.2 then you will find a much of the html has been 
abstracted to the $prefix/templates directory language subdirectories and 
their brethren.

Although pages are being generated by MM scripts these now tend to populate 
template files rather than generate HTML from scratch.

You can set up/change these templates by language as follows (from the 
comments in $prefix/Mailman/Utils.py):

     # When looking for a template in a specific language, there are 4 places
     # that are searched, in this order:
     #
     # 1. the list-specific language directory
     #    lists//
     #
     # 2. the domain-specific language directory
     #    templates//
     #
     # 3. the site-wide language directory
     #    templates/site/
     #
     # 4. the global default language directory
     #    templates/
     #
     # The first match found stops the search.  In this way, you can specialize
     # templates at the desired level, or, if you use only the default
     # templates, you don't need to change anything.  You should never modify
     # files in the templates/ subdirectory, since Mailman will
     # overwrite these when you upgrade.  That's what the templates/site
     # language directories are for.

Take a look at these template files and evaluate the template search 
hierarchy before concluding that hacking the Python code is the only way 
forward.

>Thanks,
>Timothy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:paul at thcwd.com]
>Sent: 01 July 2003 16:56
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates
>
>
>       That is what I get for answering a question when I should not yet 
> be awake.  I belive that page is generated by a cgi script
>(mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo), which is going to make editing a real problem.
>
>At 09:37 AM 7/1/2003, you wrote:
> >That edits the listinfo for the list, not the list of lists...
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Timothy.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:paul at thcwd.com]
> >Sent: 01 July 2003 15:07
> >To: mailman-users at python.org
> >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates
> >
> >
> >"Timothy Arnold" wrote:
> > >The problem I am having at the moment is trying to figure out how to
> > >edit the main listinfo page mailman.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo and
> > >the
> > end >user subscription page. We would like to make the site as branded
> > as
> > >possible (except for admin interface). Does anyone know how to
> > >achieve this?
> >
> >       From the admin page click "Edit public HTML pages on the right
> > side
> > a little above the Logout link.
> >
> >
> ><>< Paul
>
><>< Paul
>
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From john at greengator.com  Tue Jul  1 20:14:14 2003
From: john at greengator.com (John Cichy)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 18:14:14 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using mailman with web server and email server on
	seperate boxes
Message-ID: <1057082535.3123.48.camel@localhost>

I have tried to search the archives and the FAQ's to no avail, so I'm
coming to the list.

I currently have a mail server running on one box and a web server
running on another. I have set up mailman to run on the web server which
has Exim running in smarthost mode (all mail not for local machine is
sent to the email server), but does not 'listen' for incoming mail.
Users can sign up for the list and they get the confirmation/welcome
emails (as long as they request/confirm on the web). I have tried
setting up fetchmail on the web server to go to the mail server and pick
up mail for the list, which it can, but then it fails when trying to
pass the mail to Exim. I did set up the alias file on the web server as
the doc say, and duplicated it on the email server.

Has anyone accomplished a similar setup that might be able to point me
in the right direction for more info and configs? Or am I completely
crazy for attempting such an arrangement?

All help will be welcome...
John    

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Jul  1 20:29:02 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 18:29:02 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Excessive CPU usage
In-Reply-To: <20030701065754.GA1577@ratblast.net>
References: <20030701065754.GA1577@ratblast.net>
Message-ID: <1057084138.2629.38.camel@Anncons4>

Check your postfix configuration and make sure you have changed the
bounce code for local users. Postfix initially sets this to a "retry"
error code, which means that a errantly typed local username in a mail
will literally bounce forever.  Get a few of those going, and you can
really peg the CPU.

Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2003-07-01 at 02:57, Rikard Florin wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> > Barry Warsaw did make a change in the CVS a short while ago to help deal 
> > with this class of problem. Take a look at:
> > http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mailman/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py
> 
> I'm running mailman 2.1.2 and having serious problems with CPU usage, is 
> there any chance to have a patch for the above CVS changes or something? 
> I don't know if it's the solution to my problems, but right now mailman 
> is eating about 80-90% of my CPU time and I have to try something.
> 
> I'm not running any huge lists which would require heavy archiving or 
> anything so the above mentioned problem seemed like a possibility, but if 
> someone has got a better suggestion I'm all ears... :)
> 
> my setup: python 2.3, postfix, mailman 2.1.2, Mac OS X 10.3 DP
> 
> cheers,
> rikard
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Jul  1 20:32:13 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 18:32:13 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not able to access admin web interface
In-Reply-To: <20030701150904.GB26632@jeroen.fw.belnet.be>
References: <20030701091908.GA25443@jeroen.fw.belnet.be>
	<1057071379.2629.0.camel@Anncons4>
	<20030701150904.GB26632@jeroen.fw.belnet.be>
Message-ID: <1057084326.2629.40.camel@Anncons4>

On Tue, 2003-07-01 at 11:09, Jeroen Valcke wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 10:56:19AM -0400, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > Check for lock files on the server. If you find any for that list,
> > delete them and then try to login to the list.
> 
> Any particular place where I can find the lock files? /tmp I guess?

~mailman/locks

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Jul  1 20:37:37 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 18:37:37 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list request alias doesn't seem to work
In-Reply-To: <20030701151209.GA26652@jeroen.fw.belnet.be>
References: <20030701151209.GA26652@jeroen.fw.belnet.be>
Message-ID: <1057084650.2629.45.camel@Anncons4>

Please, Please, read the README.POSTFIX

Some MTA's intercept the "-request" aliases, as well as a few others. 
Look in the configuration of your MTA.  It's a common problem.

Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2003-07-01 at 11:12, Jeroen Valcke wrote:
> Another strange problem.
> 
> Although messages to the list seem to pass just fine, there's a problem
> with messages sent to the request alias, -request at mydomain.tld
> 
> These msgs do arrive on the server but aren't processed by MailMan.
> Searched the MailMan logs but found nothing. Any ideas?
> 
> -Jeroen-

From embrey at hood.edu  Tue Jul  1 20:45:36 2003
From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 14:45:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error in MassSubscription
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030701144529.03447d88@hermes.hood.edu>

Mailman List:

I received the following traceback when trying to do a Mass Subscription 
from a text file.

Traceback:
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
     main()
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 169, in main
     change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 1263, in change_options
     send_admin_notif, invitation)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 888, in ApprovedAddMember
     kind, formataddr((email, name)))
   File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 106, in formataddr
     return '%s%s%s <%s>' % (quotes, name, quotes, address)
UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128)

I have been able to import other files but this file is the result raw data 
output from a sql query. If I copy and paste these addresses into the box I 
am able to add them to the list. My goal is to automate this by using the 
remove_memmbers to empty the list and add_members to repopulate the list 
nightly.

Any help would be appreciated.

Bruce Embrey
Bruce Embrey

Bruce Edward Embrey : VMS Systems Manager
Campus Email Admin : UNIX / Linux Administrator
Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927

From flyingember at 374liberty.org  Wed Jul  2 04:01:49 2003
From: flyingember at 374liberty.org (flyingember at 374liberty.org)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 21:01:49 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not getting sent out of the system. how to change?
Message-ID: <33564.192.168.1.1.1057111309.squirrel@374liberty.org>

I have mailman setup in redhat 9.

I can setup a list fine through the web interface and setup users for the
list.

the registered users send email to the list email and the email gets into
the mailman system. (postfix mail log shows this)

I now have a pair of files in
/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/in
that don't leave.
I checked my cron logs and the mailman cron seems to be running.

what do I need to look at/change now?

From roy_santos at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  2 06:26:14 2003
From: roy_santos at yahoo.com (Roy Santos)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 21:26:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not getting sent out of the system. how to change?
In-Reply-To: <33564.192.168.1.1.1057111309.squirrel@374liberty.org>
Message-ID: <20030702042614.92125.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com>

I would check /var/log/maillog. I would also use BSD
mail in verbose mode to see where it is going.

ie: Mail -v user at domain.com

If the system is using NIS, try modifying your
/etc/postfix/main.cf and enable NIS. Mine is setup
like this:

alias_maps = hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases,
nis:mail.aliases

Good luck!

Roy
--- flyingember at 374liberty.org wrote:
> I have mailman setup in redhat 9.
> 
> I can setup a list fine through the web interface
> and setup users for the
> list.
> 
> the registered users send email to the list email
> and the email gets into
> the mailman system. (postfix mail log shows this)
> 
> I now have a pair of files in
> /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/in
> that don't leave.
> I checked my cron logs and the mailman cron seems to
> be running.
> 
> what do I need to look at/change now?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
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From slyuen at business.hku.hk  Wed Jul  2 09:17:06 2003
From: slyuen at business.hku.hk (Vicky Yuen)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:17:06 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Testing
Message-ID: <3EFFE53E@webmail.business.hku.hk>

Testing

From timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk  Wed Jul  2 09:59:42 2003
From: timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk (Timothy Arnold)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 08:59:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates
Message-ID: <37C2EF59D00B03419D3BC161B1CBB6EE335443@Cov1MB1.becta.org.uk>

Hi Richard,

I have edited most of the template files in template/en (for our English mailing lists). They all work fine. I have even edited the header.html & footer.html for ht://Dig (btw, is there any way to configure the mailman integration to change the mailinglist.conf file to point header & footer to the lists search directory instead of $COMMON?)

The only pages left to edit are the listinfo page for the 'lists of lists', the subscriber options page, and the admin interface. I cannot figure out what template files these are generated by. I looked in listinfo.py and could not find any reference to html code at all!

An example: http://lists.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mailman works fine, all nice and branded but if you go to http://lists.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo, it is not branded. How do I make the lists of lists look like every other part of the site?

Thanks for your help.

Timothy

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] 
Sent: 01 July 2003 19:01
To: Timothy Arnold
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates

At 18:27 01/07/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote:
>That's what I thought... Anyone recommend a good python book? >:)
>
>I presume this is the same for the subscriber options? I am trying to 
>make
>as much of the mailman interface that the end user (subscriber) sees Becta >branded as possible.

If you are using MM 2.1.2 then you will find a much of the html has been 
abstracted to the $prefix/templates directory language subdirectories and their brethren.

Although pages are being generated by MM scripts these now tend to populate template files rather than generate HTML from scratch.

You can set up/change these templates by language as follows (from the 
comments in $prefix/Mailman/Utils.py):

     # When looking for a template in a specific language, there are 4 places
     # that are searched, in this order:
     #
     # 1. the list-specific language directory
     #    lists//
     #
     # 2. the domain-specific language directory
     #    templates//
     #
     # 3. the site-wide language directory
     #    templates/site/
     #
     # 4. the global default language directory
     #    templates/
     #
     # The first match found stops the search.  In this way, you can specialize
     # templates at the desired level, or, if you use only the default
     # templates, you don't need to change anything.  You should never modify
     # files in the templates/ subdirectory, since Mailman will
     # overwrite these when you upgrade.  That's what the templates/site
     # language directories are for.

Take a look at these template files and evaluate the template search 
hierarchy before concluding that hacking the Python code is the only way 
forward.

>Thanks,
>Timothy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:paul at thcwd.com]
>Sent: 01 July 2003 16:56
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates
>
>
>       That is what I get for answering a question when I should not 
>yet
> be awake.  I belive that page is generated by a cgi script
>(mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo), which is going to make editing a real problem.
>
>At 09:37 AM 7/1/2003, you wrote:
> >That edits the listinfo for the list, not the list of lists...
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Timothy.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:paul at thcwd.com]
> >Sent: 01 July 2003 15:07
> >To: mailman-users at python.org
> >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates
> >
> >
> >"Timothy Arnold" wrote:
> > >The problem I am having at the moment is trying to figure out how 
> > >to edit the main listinfo page 
> > >mailman.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo and the
> > end >user subscription page. We would like to make the site as 
> > branded as
> > >possible (except for admin interface). Does anyone know how to 
> > >achieve this?
> >
> >       From the admin page click "Edit public HTML pages on the right 
> > side a little above the Logout link.
> >
> >
> ><>< Paul
>
><>< Paul
>
>
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From jiangds at cisp.org.cn  Wed Jul  2 10:51:29 2003
From: jiangds at cisp.org.cn (jiands)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 16:51:29 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with permissions on aliases.db file
References: 

Message-ID: <019c01c34077$22e27c20$6ab463d3@testi2df6d728c>

664 would be fine.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Knowles" 
To: "Ryan Shultz" 
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with permissions on aliases.db file

> At 2:57 PM -0500 2003/06/27, Ryan Shultz wrote:
> 
> >  I have a problem with the aliases.db file for a postfix install with the
> >  newest mailman on rehat 9.  In the maillog of the box every time I send
> >  to it it says that permission denied.  I have used the check_perms
> >  script and everything is fine.  I am at a loss.  It does not seem to
> >  want to work.  It was recognizing the aliases entries before but I must
> >  have changed something to make it stop.  Any help?
> 
> This sounds like a postfix problem, not an issue with mailman. 
> Have you tried the postfix-users mailing list?
> 
> 
> In general, these files should be owned by "root", and should not 
> be group-writable, nor should any of the directories in the path to 
> this file be group-writable (i.e., if it's in /etc/postfix, then 
> neither /, nor /etc, nor /etc/postfix should be group-writable, and 
> they should all be owned by root).  Have you tried running the 
> "newaliases" command?
> 
> -- 
> Brad Knowles, 
> 
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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed Jul  2 12:42:22 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 11:42:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates
In-Reply-To: <37C2EF59D00B03419D3BC161B1CBB6EE335443@Cov1MB1.becta.org.u
 k>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030702104044.053dcb28@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 08:59 02/07/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote:
>Hi Richard,
>
>I have edited most of the template files in template/en (for our English 
>mailing lists). They all work fine. I have even edited the header.html & 
>footer.html for ht://Dig (btw, is there any way to configure the mailman 
>integration to change the mailinglist.conf file to point header & footer 
>to the lists search directory instead of $COMMON?)

You have a couple of options:

1. The per-list htdig.conf template is $prefix/templates/en/htdig_conf.txt. 
The same acquisition inheritance applies for it as for the other MM 2.1.2 
template files.

2. You can define a value for the MM config variable HTDIG_EXTRAS in 
$prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. See $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py to notes on the 
variable.

Using either of these two approaches you can assign values Htdig 
configuration file variables such as search_results_header and 
search_results_footer in the per-list htdig.conf template. See 
http://htdig.org/attrs.html or http://htdig.org/confindex.html for more info.

If you wanted per-list and per-virtual-host header.html and footer.html 
then you would probably want to use Option 1 above. Option 2 is equivalent 
to the site templates and is, with MM 2.1.x, no longer strictly necessary. 
It was introduced when the htdig integration patch was initiall developed 
for use with MM 2.0.x (templates embedded in the source code then) and I 
have left it in place for compatibility with sites updating from MM 2.0.x

>The only pages left to edit are the listinfo page for the 'lists of 
>lists', the subscriber options page, and the admin interface. I cannot 
>figure out what template files these are generated by. I looked in 
>listinfo.py and could not find any reference to html code at all!

These pages represent a different problem as they are created dynamically 
by the various MM CGI scripts. These scripts create instances of HTML'ish 
objects. Having assembled these object to create an object representation 
of the page, a recursive call to Format() functions on each of the classes 
is used to generate the HTML version of the page. There is thus a 
reasonable separation between content and rendering.

The good news is that this HTML generation is concentrated in the class 
definitions in the file $prefix/Mailman/htmlformat.py

The bad news is you have to read and modify some Python if you want to 
change things.

But attacking htmlformat.py will give you leverage over the HTML output 
being generated using this approach by the following MM CGI scripts: 
admin.py, admindb.py, confirm.py, create.py, edithtml.py, listinfo.py, 
options.py, private.py, rmlist.py, roster.py, subscribe.py

Take a look at the Python source in htmlformat.py. It is really quite man 
readable. I do not know how much programming experience you have but if it 
is limited then "Learning Python" by Lutz and Ascher (pub O'Reilly) covers 
more than enough ground for making the changes you need to htmlformat.py; 
your examples show you have the HTML end of things hacked. Once you have 
adapted to using indentation instead of braces for block structure you will 
find Python is a very clean syntax to use. Also, the ability to run python 
interpreter interactively can really speed development work up.

If you want any support on this get back to me off list.

>An example: http://lists.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mailman works fine, 
>all nice and branded but if you go to 
>http://lists.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo, it is not branded. How do I 
>make the lists of lists look like every other part of the site?
>
>Thanks for your help.
>
>Timothy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk]
>Sent: 01 July 2003 19:01
>To: Timothy Arnold
>Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates
>
>
>At 18:27 01/07/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote:
> >That's what I thought... Anyone recommend a good python book? >:)
> >
> >I presume this is the same for the subscriber options? I am trying to
> >make
> >as much of the mailman interface that the end user (subscriber) sees 
> Becta >branded as possible.
>
>If you are using MM 2.1.2 then you will find a much of the html has been
>abstracted to the $prefix/templates directory language subdirectories and 
>their brethren.
>
>Although pages are being generated by MM scripts these now tend to 
>populate template files rather than generate HTML from scratch.
>
>You can set up/change these templates by language as follows (from the
>comments in $prefix/Mailman/Utils.py):
>
>
>      # When looking for a template in a specific language, there are 4 places
>      # that are searched, in this order:
>      #
>      # 1. the list-specific language directory
>      #    lists//
>      #
>      # 2. the domain-specific language directory
>      #    templates//
>      #
>      # 3. the site-wide language directory
>      #    templates/site/
>      #
>      # 4. the global default language directory
>      #    templates/
>      #
>      # The first match found stops the search.  In this way, you can 
> specialize
>      # templates at the desired level, or, if you use only the default
>      # templates, you don't need to change anything.  You should never modify
>      # files in the templates/ subdirectory, since Mailman will
>      # overwrite these when you upgrade.  That's what the templates/site
>      # language directories are for.
>
>
>Take a look at these template files and evaluate the template search
>hierarchy before concluding that hacking the Python code is the only way
>forward.
>
> >Thanks,
> >Timothy
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:paul at thcwd.com]
> >Sent: 01 July 2003 16:56
> >To: mailman-users at python.org
> >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates
> >
> >
> >       That is what I get for answering a question when I should not
> >yet
> > be awake.  I belive that page is generated by a cgi script
> >(mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo), which is going to make editing a real problem.
> >
> >At 09:37 AM 7/1/2003, you wrote:
> > >That edits the listinfo for the list, not the list of lists...
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Timothy.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:paul at thcwd.com]
> > >Sent: 01 July 2003 15:07
> > >To: mailman-users at python.org
> > >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates
> > >
> > >
> > >"Timothy Arnold" wrote:
> > > >The problem I am having at the moment is trying to figure out how
> > > >to edit the main listinfo page
> > > >mailman.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo and the
> > > end >user subscription page. We would like to make the site as
> > > branded as
> > > >possible (except for admin interface). Does anyone know how to
> > > >achieve this?
> > >
> > >       From the admin page click "Edit public HTML pages on the right
> > > side a little above the Logout link.
> > >
> > >
> > ><>< Paul
> >
> ><>< Paul
> >
> >
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From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be  Wed Jul  2 12:51:34 2003
From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:51:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list request alias doesn't seem to work
In-Reply-To: <1057084650.2629.45.camel@Anncons4>
References: <20030701151209.GA26652@jeroen.fw.belnet.be>
	<1057084650.2629.45.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <20030702105134.GA28060@jeroen.fw.belnet.be>

Dear,

On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 02:37:30PM -0400, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Please, Please, read the README.POSTFIX
> 
> Some MTA's intercept the "-request" aliases, as well as a few others. 
> Look in the configuration of your MTA.  It's a common problem.

Are you refering to the owner_request_special var? It was set to no like
the readme advizes.

-Jeroen-

-- 
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sst at belnet.be
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From Jean.Bausch at fujitsu-siemens.com  Wed Jul  2 12:49:38 2003
From: Jean.Bausch at fujitsu-siemens.com (Bausch, Jean)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:49:38 +0200 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not getting sent out of the system. how to change
	?
Message-ID: <5B7690DAE02BD411A772009027FD68CC02597735@mchrd23e.mch.fsc.net>

If you are using the new version of mailman, you have to start mailmanctl (it took me a while to find it, too).
For a one-time-start it's enough to call
bin/mailmanctl start
in the mailman home directory.

To have it started on each reboot you must include it in the /etc/init.d directory (or whatever it is called in RedHat).
The INSTALL file in the directory where you unpacked your mailman describes this very well.

--
Jean Bausch

From timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk  Wed Jul  2 12:59:06 2003
From: timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk (Timothy Arnold)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:59:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates
Message-ID: <37C2EF59D00B03419D3BC161B1CBB6EE33544C@Cov1MB1.becta.org.uk>

Thanks, I think I understand now. 

I had a look in htmlformat.py and searched for *.png and found where the images were being defined for the footer. Edited the definition and found it updated all footers. Great!

I had a look in listinfo.py and found where MailmanLogo was being called... Doc.AddItem(MailmanLogo). Simply commented this out and it works, the footer was removed from the listinfo page.

I am guessing I could create a new definition in htmlformat.py for the standard Becta footer and call it from listinfo.py?

Thanks,
Timothy.

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] 
Sent: 02 July 2003 11:42
To: Timothy Arnold
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates

At 08:59 02/07/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote:
>Hi Richard,
>
>I have edited most of the template files in template/en (for our 
>English
>mailing lists). They all work fine. I have even edited the header.html & >footer.html for ht://Dig (btw, is there any way to configure the mailman >integration to change the mailinglist.conf file to point header & footer >to the lists search directory instead of $COMMON?)

You have a couple of options:

1. The per-list htdig.conf template is $prefix/templates/en/htdig_conf.txt. The same acquisition inheritance applies for it as for the other MM 2.1.2 template files.

2. You can define a value for the MM config variable HTDIG_EXTRAS in 
$prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. See $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py to notes on the variable.

Using either of these two approaches you can assign values Htdig 
configuration file variables such as search_results_header and 
search_results_footer in the per-list htdig.conf template. See 
http://htdig.org/attrs.html or http://htdig.org/confindex.html for more info.

If you wanted per-list and per-virtual-host header.html and footer.html 
then you would probably want to use Option 1 above. Option 2 is equivalent to the site templates and is, with MM 2.1.x, no longer strictly necessary. It was introduced when the htdig integration patch was initiall developed for use with MM 2.0.x (templates embedded in the source code then) and I have left it in place for compatibility with sites updating from MM 2.0.x

>The only pages left to edit are the listinfo page for the 'lists of
>lists', the subscriber options page, and the admin interface. I cannot 
>figure out what template files these are generated by. I looked in 
>listinfo.py and could not find any reference to html code at all!

These pages represent a different problem as they are created dynamically by the various MM CGI scripts. These scripts create instances of HTML'ish objects. Having assembled these object to create an object representation of the page, a recursive call to Format() functions on each of the classes is used to generate the HTML version of the page. There is thus a 
reasonable separation between content and rendering.

The good news is that this HTML generation is concentrated in the class 
definitions in the file $prefix/Mailman/htmlformat.py

The bad news is you have to read and modify some Python if you want to 
change things.

But attacking htmlformat.py will give you leverage over the HTML output 
being generated using this approach by the following MM CGI scripts: 
admin.py, admindb.py, confirm.py, create.py, edithtml.py, listinfo.py, 
options.py, private.py, rmlist.py, roster.py, subscribe.py

Take a look at the Python source in htmlformat.py. It is really quite man readable. I do not know how much programming experience you have but if it is limited then "Learning Python" by Lutz and Ascher (pub O'Reilly) covers more than enough ground for making the changes you need to htmlformat.py; your examples show you have the HTML end of things hacked. Once you have adapted to using indentation instead of braces for block structure you will 
find Python is a very clean syntax to use. Also, the ability to run python interpreter interactively can really speed development work up.

If you want any support on this get back to me off list.

>An example: http://lists.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mailman works 
>fine,
>all nice and branded but if you go to 
>http://lists.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo, it is not branded. How do I 
>make the lists of lists look like every other part of the site?
>
>Thanks for your help.
>
>Timothy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk]
>Sent: 01 July 2003 19:01
>To: Timothy Arnold
>Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates
>
>
>At 18:27 01/07/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote:
> >That's what I thought... Anyone recommend a good python book? >:)
> >
> >I presume this is the same for the subscriber options? I am trying to 
> >make as much of the mailman interface that the end user (subscriber) 
> >sees
> Becta >branded as possible.
>
>If you are using MM 2.1.2 then you will find a much of the html has 
>been abstracted to the $prefix/templates directory language 
>subdirectories and their brethren.
>
>Although pages are being generated by MM scripts these now tend to
>populate template files rather than generate HTML from scratch.
>
>You can set up/change these templates by language as follows (from the 
>comments in $prefix/Mailman/Utils.py):
>
>
>      # When looking for a template in a specific language, there are 4 places
>      # that are searched, in this order:
>      #
>      # 1. the list-specific language directory
>      #    lists//
>      #
>      # 2. the domain-specific language directory
>      #    templates//
>      #
>      # 3. the site-wide language directory
>      #    templates/site/
>      #
>      # 4. the global default language directory
>      #    templates/
>      #
>      # The first match found stops the search.  In this way, you can
> specialize
>      # templates at the desired level, or, if you use only the default
>      # templates, you don't need to change anything.  You should never modify
>      # files in the templates/ subdirectory, since Mailman will
>      # overwrite these when you upgrade.  That's what the templates/site
>      # language directories are for.
>
>
>Take a look at these template files and evaluate the template search 
>hierarchy before concluding that hacking the Python code is the only 
>way forward.
>
> >Thanks,
> >Timothy
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:paul at thcwd.com]
> >Sent: 01 July 2003 16:56
> >To: mailman-users at python.org
> >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates
> >
> >
> >       That is what I get for answering a question when I should not 
> >yet  be awake.  I belive that page is generated by a cgi script
> >(mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo), which is going to make editing a real problem.
> >
> >At 09:37 AM 7/1/2003, you wrote:
> > >That edits the listinfo for the list, not the list of lists...
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Timothy.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:paul at thcwd.com]
> > >Sent: 01 July 2003 15:07
> > >To: mailman-users at python.org
> > >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates
> > >
> > >
> > >"Timothy Arnold" wrote:
> > > >The problem I am having at the moment is trying to figure out how 
> > > >to edit the main listinfo page 
> > > >mailman.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo and the
> > > end >user subscription page. We would like to make the site as 
> > > branded as
> > > >possible (except for admin interface). Does anyone know how to 
> > > >achieve this?
> > >
> > >       From the admin page click "Edit public HTML pages on the 
> > > right side a little above the Logout link.
> > >
> > >
> > ><>< Paul
> >
> ><>< Paul
> >
> >
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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed Jul  2 13:02:12 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 12:02:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates
In-Reply-To: <37C2EF59D00B03419D3BC161B1CBB6EE335443@Cov1MB1.becta.org.u
 k>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030702115704.053d77f8@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 08:59 02/07/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote:
>Hi Richard,
>
>I have edited most of the template files in template/en (for our English 
>mailing lists).

I hope you noted the words of the comment I quoted in my previous post "You 
should never modify files in the templates/ subdirectory, since 
Mailman will overwrite these when you upgrade.  That's what the 
templates/site language directories are for". Pity to lose all the good 
work on the next upgrade.

>They all work fine. I have even edited the header.html & footer.html for 
>ht://Dig (btw, is there any way to configure the mailman integration to 
>change the mailinglist.conf file to point header & footer to the lists 
>search directory instead of $COMMON?)
>
>The only pages left to edit are the listinfo page for the 'lists of 
>lists', the subscriber options page, and the admin interface. I cannot 
>figure out what template files these are generated by. I looked in 
>listinfo.py and could not find any reference to html code at all!
>
>An example: http://lists.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mailman works fine, 
>all nice and branded

That looks good

>but if you go to http://lists.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo, it is not 
>branded. How do I make the lists of lists look like every other part of 
>the site?
>
>Thanks for your help.
>
>Timothy

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk]
>Sent: 01 July 2003 19:01
>To: Timothy Arnold
>Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates
>
>
>At 18:27 01/07/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote:
> >That's what I thought... Anyone recommend a good python book? >:)
> >
> >I presume this is the same for the subscriber options? I am trying to
> >make
> >as much of the mailman interface that the end user (subscriber) sees 
> Becta >branded as possible.
>
>If you are using MM 2.1.2 then you will find a much of the html has been
>abstracted to the $prefix/templates directory language subdirectories and 
>their brethren.
>
>Although pages are being generated by MM scripts these now tend to 
>populate template files rather than generate HTML from scratch.
>
>You can set up/change these templates by language as follows (from the
>comments in $prefix/Mailman/Utils.py):
>
>
>      # When looking for a template in a specific language, there are 4 places
>      # that are searched, in this order:
>      #
>      # 1. the list-specific language directory
>      #    lists//
>      #
>      # 2. the domain-specific language directory
>      #    templates//
>      #
>      # 3. the site-wide language directory
>      #    templates/site/
>      #
>      # 4. the global default language directory
>      #    templates/
>      #
>      # The first match found stops the search.  In this way, you can 
> specialize
>      # templates at the desired level, or, if you use only the default
>      # templates, you don't need to change anything.  You should never modify
>      # files in the templates/ subdirectory, since Mailman will
>      # overwrite these when you upgrade.  That's what the templates/site
>      # language directories are for.
>

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Richard Barrett                                      http://www.openinfo.co.uk

From Jean.Bausch at fujitsu-siemens.com  Wed Jul  2 12:58:46 2003
From: Jean.Bausch at fujitsu-siemens.com (Bausch, Jean)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:58:46 +0200 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Formatting archives that don't have newlines...
Message-ID: <5B7690DAE02BD411A772009027FD68CC02597736@mchrd23e.mch.fsc.net>

Pug Bainter (pug at pug.net) said something that sounded like:
>   I have a problem (mostly with M$ Outlook users) that when a user
>   sends a message without newlines in it (because their email client
>   auto-displays it "properly" for them), the message gets stored just
>   like this in the archives as expected. The problem is that when the
>   message gets pulled up in the webpages, they will appear as one long
>   line instead of being formatted to the size of the browser width.

If you have a UNIX system take a look at the fmt command.
On Solaris I modified the mail aliases as follows (in /etc/aliases):

testlist:      "|LC_CTYPE=en_US fmt -s -w 80|/export/home1/mailman/mail/mailman post testlist"

LC_CTYPE may be needed for the correct treatment of Umlauts and other special characters.
Without the variable those were simply erased by fmt.

--
Jean Bausch

From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed Jul  2 13:11:12 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 12:11:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list request alias doesn't seem to work
In-Reply-To: <20030702105134.GA28060@jeroen.fw.belnet.be>
References: <1057084650.2629.45.camel@Anncons4>
	<20030701151209.GA26652@jeroen.fw.belnet.be>
	<1057084650.2629.45.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030702120926.053f2008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 11:51 02/07/2003, Jeroen Valcke wrote:
>Dear,
>
>On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 02:37:30PM -0400, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > Please, Please, read the README.POSTFIX
> >
> > Some MTA's intercept the "-request" aliases, as well as a few others.
> > Look in the configuration of your MTA.  It's a common problem.
>
>Are you refering to the owner_request_special var? It was set to no like
>the readme advizes.

So what does the MTA log say it is doing with incoming mail to the 
listname-request aliases?

>-Jeroen-
>
>
>--
>Jeroen Valcke
>sst at belnet.be
>jeroen.valcke at belnet.be

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From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be  Wed Jul  2 13:31:52 2003
From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:31:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list request alias doesn't seem to work
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030702120926.053f2008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
References: <1057084650.2629.45.camel@Anncons4>
	<20030701151209.GA26652@jeroen.fw.belnet.be>
	<1057084650.2629.45.camel@Anncons4>
	<5.1.1.6.0.20030702120926.053f2008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20030702113152.GA28082@jeroen.fw.belnet.be>

On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 12:11:12PM +0100, Richard Barrett wrote:
> >Are you refering to the owner_request_special var? It was set to no like
> >the readme advizes.
> 
> So what does the MTA log say it is doing with incoming mail to the 
> listname-request aliases?

It seems to deliver the mail just fine.

Jul  1 16:55:28 patah postfix/local[18728]: [ID 197553 mail.info]
0918C7B70B: to=, relay=local, delay=1,
status=sent ("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request test") 

BTW, the MTA is indeed postfix. When I was experiencing these delivery
problems the load of the machine wass higher then normal.

-Jeroen-

-- 
Jeroen Valcke
sst at belnet.be
jeroen.valcke at belnet.be

From jonas at freesources.org  Wed Jul  2 14:10:23 2003
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:10:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [bug in mm2.1] mailmanctl doesn't set groups.
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030701175732.044b0bb8@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030701175732.044b0bb8@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20030702121022.GB2147@freesources.org>

On 01/07/2003 Richard Barrett wrote:
> Try again to put the fix into sourceforge bug collector for MM.

sorry, still doesn't work. i get an Error: "The requested URL could not
be retrieved" (and much more output).

bye
 mejo

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From ed at leafe.com  Wed Jul  2 14:29:49 2003
From: ed at leafe.com (Ed Leafe)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 08:29:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redirect AOL subscribers
Message-ID: 

	I'm currently running a few lists with Mailman, and it's been working 
great. One problem has popped up, though: AOL now blocks *all* email 
coming from servers with RoadRunner IP addresses. Their rationale is 
that it is necessary to block the inflow of spam.

	Some of my subscribers have AOL accounts, and now cannot receives 
posts to the list. I do have an alternate SMTP server I can use, but I 
don't want all the traffic to go through that server. Is there any way 
to redirect just the mail that is addressed to aol.com accounts to that 
alternate server, and let the rest go through as usual? I'm running 
Postfix as my MTA on RedHat Linux 8.

      ___/
     /
    __/
   /
  ____/
  Ed Leafe
  http://leafe.com/
  http://opentech.leafe.com

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Jul  2 16:30:27 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 14:30:27 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redirect AOL subscribers
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1057156218.4125.5.camel@Anncons4>

On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 08:29, Ed Leafe wrote:
> 	I'm currently running a few lists with Mailman, and it's been working 
> great. One problem has popped up, though: AOL now blocks *all* email 
> coming from servers with RoadRunner IP addresses. Their rationale is 
> that it is necessary to block the inflow of spam.
> 
> 	Some of my subscribers have AOL accounts, and now cannot receives 
> posts to the list. I do have an alternate SMTP server I can use, but I 
> don't want all the traffic to go through that server. Is there any way 
> to redirect just the mail that is addressed to aol.com accounts to that 
> alternate server, and let the rest go through as usual? I'm running 
> Postfix as my MTA on RedHat Linux 8.
> 
Yes, setup a transport for aol
   /etc/postfix/transport

A lot of small installs are seeing this problem, and it's not just with
AOL.  Folks are forcing ISP's to really police themselves for Spammers
(something RoadRunner doesn't do too well).  

Jon Carnes

From khera at kcilink.com  Wed Jul  2 16:32:11 2003
From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:32:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redirect AOL subscribers
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <16130.60651.723924.184890@yertle.int.kciLink.com>

>>>>> "EL" == Ed Leafe  writes:

EL> alternate server, and let the rest go through as usual? I'm running 
EL> Postfix as my MTA on RedHat Linux 8.

Wise move to use postfix.  Here's what you should do.  Enable
transport maps in your main.cf, then add a transport map entry to
direct aol.com mail to your alternate server.

in main.cf:

transport_maps = hash:$config_directory/transport

in your postfix directory in the file transport:

aol.com	smtp:[192.168.100.32]

then "makemap transport" to build the hash file.

Obviously, replace the 192.168.100.32 with the IP of your alternate
server.  The brackets are important!  Check the man pages for details.

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From ian at canvey.com  Wed Jul  2 17:00:36 2003
From: ian at canvey.com (Ian)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 16:00:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Php on Mailman pages
Message-ID: <00c101c340aa$b1dd8a90$0a00a8c0@firstrimmer>

Hi,

Is there anyway to include simple PHP on the pages generated by Mailman?

I am thinking of the listinfo page for example.

Also what are the pages that are generated - I realise that they are generated on the fly - but I can't even work out what type of
page is being generated, as putting htm & html into my httpd.conf file to allow php to be displayed on those pages, just makes the
raw php code to be displayed.

Any thoughts?

Ian

From manuelcalvelo at racsa.co.cr  Tue Jul  1 16:53:14 2003
From: manuelcalvelo at racsa.co.cr (Manuel Calvelo)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 08:53:14 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
Message-ID: <002601c33fe0$816dd970$cc0d28c4@manuel>

Hi,

I'm a novice in mailing lists and newsletters.

I would like to set up a newsletter for my site. It is a simple site. no asp, no shopping cart. Just statis html.
I also have a very simple hosting package without mailing lists.

Im looking for a way that people can subscribe on my site to a newsletter and I will opbviously be able to sen dit to them.

Is this possible with this software?

Thank you very much for your help.

Manuel

From roy_santos at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  2 17:58:50 2003
From: roy_santos at yahoo.com (Roy Santos)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 08:58:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I change the HTML look & feel of Mailman?
Message-ID: <20030702155850.23921.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com>

I would like to change some of the colors and possibly
the footers. Since we are using this purely as an
Intranet list server, I want to try and give it a
closer look & feel to our company branding. If I could
make Mailman stay within the pages of the intranet
server, that would be better. I just couldn't find any
place where I could configure this.

Thanks,

Roy

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From matt at remedyx.com  Wed Jul  2 18:13:46 2003
From: matt at remedyx.com (Matt Thoene)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:13:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Virtual Domains
Message-ID: <52460838470.20030702091346@remedyx.com>

Hello everyone,

I have done an exhaustive search of the archives/google and did find a
few gems on virtual domains with mailman...but have only messed things
up even further. Hopefully, someone can assist. First, my setup...

Mandrake Linux 8.2
Postfix version 2.0.4
Mailman 2.1.2

I have many many virtual domains on this machine. I currently have
mailman running fine for just one of the domains, and would like to add
the service for one of the others, possibly more in the future. I have
read through the postfix.readme but I'm having trouble understanding all
of the various pieces needed. First question...is there a good HOWTO or
FAQ specifically for virtual domain support and Mailman? If not, can
someone help me with the following questions?

I have added to mm_cfg.py:

MTA = 'Postfix'
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['www.virtualdomain.tld','virtualdomain.tld']

I have added to main.cf:

virtual_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual
 hash:/var/www/html/mailman/data/virtual-mailman  <---added this line

In virtual-mailman:

info at virtualdomain.tld              info
info-admin at virtualdomain.tld        info-admin
info-bounces at virtualdomain.tld      info-bounces
info-confirm at virtualdomain.tld      info-confirm
info-join at virtualdomain.tld         info-join
info-leave at virtualdomain.tld        info-leave
info-owner at virtualdomain.tld        info-owner
info-request at virtualdomain.tld      info-request
info-subscribe at virtualdomain.tld    info-subscribe
info-unsubscribe at virtualdomain.tld  info-unsubscribe

In aliases:

info:             "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/mailman post info"
info-admin:       "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/mailman admin info"
info-bounces:     "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/mailman bounces info"
info-confirm:     "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/mailman confirm info"
info-join:        "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/mailman join info"
info-leave:       "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/mailman leave info"
info-owner:       "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/mailman owner info"
info-request:     "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/mailman request info"
info-subscribe:   "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe info"
info-unsubscribe: "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe info"

I have postmap'd and newaliased, bin/genaliased, and postfix reloaded.
Still doesn't work. Mail sent to "info at virtualdomain.tld" seems to just
ignore mailman and gets sent to the admin address of the list.

Does anybody see something I'm missing here?

-- 
Regards,
Matt

From matt at remedyx.com  Wed Jul  2 18:15:37 2003
From: matt at remedyx.com (Matt Thoene)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:15:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I change the HTML look & feel of Mailman?
In-Reply-To: <20030702155850.23921.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030702155850.23921.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <11460949390.20030702091537@remedyx.com>

On Wednesday, July 2, 2003 @ 8:58:50 AM [-0700], Roy Santos wrote:

> I would like to change some of the colors and possibly
> the footers. Since we are using this purely as an
> Intranet list server, I want to try and give it a
> closer look & feel to our company branding. If I could
> make Mailman stay within the pages of the intranet
> server, that would be better. I just couldn't find any
> place where I could configure this.

Roy,

How about going to http://sub.domain.tld/mailman/edithtml/yourlistname ?
What version of mailman are you running?

-- 
Matt                       

From cody at pinkpc.net  Wed Jul  2 19:08:08 2003
From: cody at pinkpc.net (CodyG)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:08:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I change the HTML look & feel of Mailman?
References: <20030702155850.23921.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com>
	<11460949390.20030702091537@remedyx.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c340bc$8365ebf0$6c164518@earthshine>

I have a new Mailman list and I am trying my best to incorporate it into my
php-nuke website whose members are connected through a local community.

I am using the anonymous feature in Mailman because the php-nuke site
protects the privacy of  the users re: emails,  I'm thinking I don't want to
suddenly be sending email addresses all over the place.

Anyways, for now, I want to change the From: field in messages from the
list.  It reads listname-admin  and I want to change the -admin to -general,
not the list name.  I've looked at faqs and documentation and haven't found
anything helpful yet.

Thanks for your help.

CodyG

From cody at pinkpc.net  Wed Jul  2 19:14:11 2003
From: cody at pinkpc.net (CodyG)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:14:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] oops .. How can I change html s/b changing the From
	field
References: <20030702155850.23921.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com><11460949390.20030702091537@remedyx.com>
	<006c01c340bc$8365ebf0$6c164518@earthshine>
Message-ID: <007501c340bd$5b7ed060$6c164518@earthshine>

oops... got distracted and clicked "send" way before the message was ready
to go. Sorry for not changing my subject line.

CodyG

From paul at thcwd.com  Wed Jul  2 19:44:50 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 12:44:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redirect AOL subscribers
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030702123812.02cc5e40@mail.thcwd.com>

Ed Leafe wrote:
>         I'm currently running a few lists with Mailman, and it's been 
> working
>great. One problem has popped up, though: AOL now blocks *all* email
>coming from servers with RoadRunner IP addresses. Their rationale is
>that it is necessary to block the inflow of spam.

      This is not accurate, at least not for all RR IPs.  I use RoadRunner 
for high speed connection, and have an AOL dial up I use while 
traveling.  I just sent mail from the RR account to the AOL account and it 
went right through with the RR IP number.

      Doing some digging I found that AOL now has extensive spam 
filtering.  From the main mail box page click the "Mail Options" menu 
button at the top, then select "Block Unwanted Mail".  You can then accept 
all mail, reject all mail, or customize.  If you choose to customize you 
can white and black list anything you want.
      Of course the average AOL user doesn't have a clue, doesn't want a 
clue, and would not know a clue if it crawled up their leg and bit them, so 
getting them to fix it may be a bit of a challenge.  Maybe you can get one 
of the more net savvy AOL users write a how to for you.

<>< Paul, who still find AOHell the best way to get on-line from 
Nowhereville or Podunk USA. 

From roy_santos at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  2 20:16:15 2003
From: roy_santos at yahoo.com (Roy Santos)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:16:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing list from the listinfo page
Message-ID: <20030702181615.54706.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com>

I have a problem with one list I created. Once in a
while, the list disappears from the listinfo page. If
I manually enter
http://server/mailman/listinfo/problemlist in the
browser, then go to threads, then go back to listinfo,
it will reappear again. Almost like some type of
caching problem. After a day or two, it goes away
again. None of the other lists do this. I checked the
settings and they appear to be the same as the other
lists.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Roy

Using Mailman 2.1.2 (not Redhat's RPM) on Redhat 9.

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From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Wed Jul  2 21:23:41 2003
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 15:23:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announcement lists
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <3F03313D.6090607@mitre.org>

Howard,

Howard Lush wrote:

> 1. Approve each message as it is posted. This is fine, except that due 
> to the high volume of messages and number of lists that are involved I 
> am unable to approve every message via the web interface. As far as I 
> can see there is no method of bypassing this by using a password at the 
> top of the e-mail (e.g. Approved: password) or in the posting address 
> itself (e.g. test-password at domain.com).

If you search the archives, you will find fairly recent messages about 
using "Approved: password" as the first line of text to send messages. 
Apparently there are tricky issues when you don't use plain text (HTML, 
multiple encodings, etc.).

-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own

From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Wed Jul  2 21:40:32 2003
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 15:40:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman hold notices...
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <3F033530.3040807@mitre.org>

Brad,

I think you can find a more complete answer from Barry or Jon or someone 
in the archives (search for /templates), but here is a simple answer.

Editing the file directly in templates/en will have a global effect on 
all lists (plus may be overwritten during upgrades).

If you want to make the changes just to one list, then create a 
directory ~mailman/list//en and copy the file (such as 
postheld.txt) there and edit it.

Hope this helps.

Brad Knowles wrote:

> I guess I could edit mailman/templates/en/postheld.txt directly, but I'd 
> prefer not to do that.  For one thing, I want this change for just one 
> list and not all of them, and I'd prefer not to even try to think about 
> what would need to be done for the other languages.
-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own

From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Wed Jul  2 22:01:28 2003
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 16:01:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Export Memberlist
In-Reply-To: <007001c33f1e$f60976d0$0200a8c0@TAWANDA>
References: <007001c33f1e$f60976d0$0200a8c0@TAWANDA>
Message-ID: <3F033A18.1070803@mitre.org>

Karen,

Have you tried the "who" command?

Usage:

who password
     See everyone who is on this mailing list.  The roster is limited to
     list administrators and moderators only; you must supply the list
     admin or moderator password to retrieve the roster.

Karen G. Schneider wrote:

> Observation...
> 
> This (output of subscriber lists) is requested so frequently I wonder if in a future
> version the Mailman interface could be set up to generate this list for list
> administrators; I know the Mailman paradigm is concentrated on Web access, but most of us
> working with other lists really, really miss that "review" feature. It's a) Armageddon
> backup (something terrible happens to the host, but you still have your most valuable
> information--the list of subscribers), and b) a fairly efficient workaround for a feature
> not implemented in 2.0 (searchable member archives). The only catch is that it is
> predicated on access to . 
> 
> (I put in a separate request to the host of our lists asking if they would create a script
> we could run from our own Web interface.) 

-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own

From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Wed Jul  2 21:45:00 2003
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 15:45:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Post approval
In-Reply-To: <20030627030808.GA18702@prydain.caerllewys.net>
References: <20030627030808.GA18702@prydain.caerllewys.net>
Message-ID: <3F03363C.2040804@mitre.org>

Phil,

I had this happen to me several times in the past few months.  The list 
admin in each case always swore that he/she had not discarded the message.

So, I took the original message (attached to your confirmation message) 
and saved it to disk.  Then put that file on the Mailman server and used 
~mailman/bin/inject to directly inject it into the Mailman queue and 
then quickly approve via the web.

Hope this helps.

Phil Stracchino wrote:

> I'm running Mailman-2.1.1.  I have a message to one of my closed lists
> from a non-member that I want to approve.  It's less than an hour old,
> and the confirmation request is sitting in my mailbox this very moment.
> 
> Problem is,
> 	(1) it doesn't show up on the list's admindb page,
> 	(2) if I try to approve it via email, MailMan tells me the
> 	    confirmation string is invalid or has expired.
> 
> Any suggestions, anyone?
> 
> 

-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own

From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed Jul  2 23:13:13 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 22:13:13 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Post approval
In-Reply-To: <3F03363C.2040804@mitre.org>
References: <20030627030808.GA18702@prydain.caerllewys.net>
	<20030627030808.GA18702@prydain.caerllewys.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030702221020.03e37f20@mail.openinfo.co.uk>

At 20:45 02/07/2003, John DeCarlo wrote:
>Phil,
>
>I had this happen to me several times in the past few months.  The list 
>admin in each case always swore that he/she had not discarded the message.
>
>So, I took the original message (attached to your confirmation message) 
>and saved it to disk.  Then put that file on the Mailman server and used 
>~mailman/bin/inject to directly inject it into the Mailman queue and then 
>quickly approve via the web.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Phil Stracchino wrote:
>
>>I'm running Mailman-2.1.1.  I have a message to one of my closed lists
>>from a non-member that I want to approve.  It's less than an hour old,
>>and the confirmation request is sitting in my mailbox this very moment.
>>Problem is,
>>         (1) it doesn't show up on the list's admindb page,
>>         (2) if I try to approve it via email, MailMan tells me the
>>             confirmation string is invalid or has expired.
>>Any suggestions, anyone?

Depending on list configuration, the poster of the message being held for 
moderation is sent an email with a URL which gives _them_ the option to 
withdraw the posting. If they make that choice before you, the list 
administrator respond you will find the message is no longer there to 
approve. Just a thought.

>--
>
>John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own

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From ewilts at ewilts.org  Wed Jul  2 23:20:32 2003
From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 16:20:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List performance queries
Message-ID: <20030702162032.A29851@www.ewilts.org>

I'm currently running Mailman 2.0.13 with sendmail on a PII/450 Linux system. 
My Mailman usage has been light and small lists.  Now, my internal
clients wants to send a mailing to 50,000 users (yes, they're opt-in!).
What gotchas do I really need to be aware of?  Initially, this first
large batch will go to users of which over 90% are on the same domain
(a customer of ours).  How large are the mailman batches?  i.e. How many
physical mail messages go out?  Can anybody take a wild guess as to how
long it will take to ship that many messages out?  What if the e-mails
were distributed over 20 domains?  What happens then?

Am I suicidal for even trying to handle lists this large on this size
box, or is this even considered a large list?

Next, my users want the ability to periodically refresh the subscriber
list - they'll actually be coming from an external database.  At the
time of my subscriber refresh, how can I flush any pending messages to
the list - ie, I don't want to get caught where an earlier message is
still being retried when the subscriber list changes.  Is there a safe,
recommended way to handle this?

All communications on this list will really be one-way; we send the
messages out, but nobody can reply (and I realize that some people will
try anyway).

Thanks,
        .../Ed
-- 
Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org

From ed at leafe.com  Thu Jul  3 01:33:48 2003
From: ed at leafe.com (Ed Leafe)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 19:33:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redirect AOL subscribers
In-Reply-To: <16130.60651.723924.184890@yertle.int.kciLink.com>
Message-ID: 

On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 10:32  AM, Vivek Khera wrote:

> Wise move to use postfix.  Here's what you should do.  Enable
> transport maps in your main.cf, then add a transport map entry to
> direct aol.com mail to your alternate server.
>
> in main.cf:
>
> transport_maps = hash:$config_directory/transport
>
>
> in your postfix directory in the file transport:
>
> aol.com	smtp:[192.168.100.32]
>
> then "makemap transport" to build the hash file.
>
> Obviously, replace the 192.168.100.32 with the IP of your alternate
> server.  The brackets are important!  Check the man pages for details.

	Thanks! A few others had sent me the info about modifying the 
transport file, but I didn't know about the entry in main.cf. Once I 
added that, it works great!

      ___/
     /
    __/
   /
  ____/
  Ed Leafe
  http://leafe.com/
  http://opentech.leafe.com

From dallas at dreamhost.com  Thu Jul  3 01:45:47 2003
From: dallas at dreamhost.com (Dallas Bethune)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 16:45:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman config with lots of virtualhosts?
In-Reply-To: <1057082535.3123.48.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: 

Has anyone set up mailman 2.1.2 with a large number of virtualhosts?  Like
thousands?  I'm planning to use the postfix integration to have it
automatically generate the aliases and it is working right now.  I have a
config line like this:

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['listserver.dreamhost.com',
'lists.otherdomain.com']

Does anyone have experience with putting 3000 or so entries in that array?
Is that variable only used by genaliases?  Will it have a possible effect on
any other part of mailman operation?

    Dallas

From naira at faccat.br  Thu Jul  3 01:50:44 2003
From: naira at faccat.br (Naira Kaieski)
Date: Wed,  2 Jul 2003 20:50:44 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change Language
Message-ID: <1057189844.3f036fd48fbae@correio.faccat.br>

How can i change the language of Mailman 2.0.13?

NAIRA

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From flyingember at 374liberty.org  Thu Jul  3 02:43:07 2003
From: flyingember at 374liberty.org (Kevin Carlyle)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 19:43:07 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not allowing user not in system to send
Message-ID: <35023.192.168.1.1.1057192987.squirrel@374liberty.org>

Jul  2 20:36:32 374liberty postfix/smtpd[9839]: reject: RCPT from
localhost[127.0.0.1]: 554 : Recipient address
rejected: Relay access denied; from=
to=

I'm getting that and with some testing discovered that it's because the
system does not have a user by the name of fireball-bounces, just
fireball.

how do I setup the email system to allow emails with that address without
adding an account in the system?

Regular email (short of aol, I'm working on that) works fine.

I'm using postfix.

From adaml at jbase.com  Thu Jul  3 04:14:22 2003
From: adaml at jbase.com (Adam Lipson)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 22:14:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer as an attachment mailman 2.1.2
Message-ID: 

I have seen that many people have asked this question on the list, but have not found an answer in the archives so forgive me if I ask again.

I just upgraded to 2.1.2 and have found that some clients cause the footer to come across as an attachment.  I can disable the footer to cause this to go away, but is there a better way to solve this problem?

Also, someone posted a real attachment to the list and it did not go thru.  It was just the text of a unix shell script, but is there anything that would block this other than message size limit?

Thanks,
Adam

From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Jul  3 05:20:56 2003
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 23:20:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List performance queries 
In-Reply-To: Message from Ed Wilts  of "Wed,
	02 Jul 2003 16:20:32 CDT." <20030702162032.A29851@www.ewilts.org> 
References: <20030702162032.A29851@www.ewilts.org> 
Message-ID: <19719.1057202456@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 16:20:32 -0500 
Ed Wilts  wrote:

> How large are the mailman batches?  i.e. How many physical mail
> messages go out?

Configurable.  I'd set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to be fairly high, tho not more
than 100 (see Chuq von Rospach's notes on the performance impacts and
implications of this setting for more typical MX distributions).

> Am I suicidal for even trying to handle lists this large on this size
> box, or is this even considered a large list?

Nahh, you're still will within the happy spot.  You'll want a good chunk
of RAM and a nice fast IO chain (see the performance notes on the User
FAQ), but even minor tuning you should be fine.

> Next, my users want the ability to periodically refresh the subscriber
> list - they'll actually be coming from an external database.  

No problem.

> At the time of my subscriber refresh, how can I flush any pending
> messages to the list - ie, I don't want to get caught where an earlier
> message is still being retried when the subscriber list changes.  

Don't worry about it.  The list of addresses for a message is defined
when the message is approved for broadcast.  If the list subscriber list
changes after that, only subsequently broadcast messages will get the
new target list.

-- 
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---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

From simon.harrison at becta.org.uk  Thu Jul  3 10:28:48 2003
From: simon.harrison at becta.org.uk (Simon Harrison)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 09:28:48 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing people by email
Message-ID: <37C2EF59D00B03419D3BC161B1CBB6EE34CC9B@Cov1MB1.becta.org.uk>

Howard,

Yes, this helps me greatly and in fact we want to be able to subscribe people from a custom website form so it's a good solution.

Thanks,

Simon

Please send all support requests to the Internet Services Helpdesk
helpdesk at ngfl.gov.uk

-----Original Message-----
From: Howard Lush [mailto:howie at statmail.co.uk] 
Sent: 03 July 2003 01:25
To: Simon Harrison
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing people by email

Hi Simon

I'm trying to do a very similar thing to you, and while playing around 
with the Mailman interface I found that you can subscribe someone using 
the following link:

http:///mailman/admin//members?subscri
bees=&send_welcome_msg_to_this_batch=0&adminpw=

This is based on mass subscribe form on the membership management page - 
note that the no cookies are required as the admin password is supplied 
in the URL. Potentially this could be called from a Perl script using 
something like LWP::Simple get() and so you can create your own 
subscription form.

I know it's a bit of a long way round, but it does avoid any approve or 
confirm requirements, which I am going to implement separately from 
Mailman.

Does this help?

Howard

 > Hi,
 >
 > We would like to subscribe people to Mailman 2.1.2 using a form on one  > of our websites that will generate an email to the request address 
with
 > a subscribe request, however we do not want Mailman to send 
confirmation
 > to each email address subscribed nor do we want to have to approve 
each
 > request manually.
 >
 > Is there a way of achieving this, perhaps by including an approval  > password in the body of the message so that subscribe requests are  > automatically approved without the need for a confirm.  >  > Thanks,  >  > Simon  > Becta Internet Services

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From javier.romero at cedex.es  Thu Jul  3 12:24:07 2003
From: javier.romero at cedex.es (javier)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 12:24:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with check perms
Message-ID: <3F040447.10006@cedex.es>

SO:solaris 8, i'm trying to save lists and archives in a network 
applyant, how can i make symbolic links to those folders??

thankyou

bash-2.03# cd /usr/local/mailman/
bash-2.03# ls -la
total 42
drwxrwsr-x  18 mailman  mailman      512 Jul  3 12:18 .
drwxr-xr-x  10 root     other        512 Jun 27 13:06 ..
drwxrwsr-x  11 root     mailman     1536 Jul  2 11:22 Mailman
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mailman        8 Jul  3 12:18 archives -> archives
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman     1024 Jul  2 11:23 bin
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:22 cgi-bin
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:22 cron
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:22 data
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:22 icons
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mailman        5 Jul  3 12:18 lists -> lists
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  1 12:40 locks
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:24 logs
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:22 mail
drwxrwsr-x  20 root     mailman      512 Jul  1 12:42 messages
drwxrwsr-x   6 root     mailman      512 Jul  1 12:41 pythonlib
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  1 12:40 qfiles
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:24 scripts
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  1 12:40 spam
drwxrwsr-x  23 root     mailman      512 Jul  1 12:41 templates
drwxrwsr-x   4 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:23 tests
bash-2.03# bin/check_perms
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/check_perms", line 362, in ?
    checkall()
  File "bin/check_perms", line 185, in checkall
    os.path.walk(d, checkwalk, STATE)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/posixpath.py", line 279, in walk
    func(arg, top, names)
  File "bin/check_perms", line 99, in checkwalk
    mode, gid = statgidmode(path)
  File "bin/check_perms", line 84, in statgidmode
    stat = os.stat(path)
OSError: [Errno 90] Number of symbolic links encountered during path 
name traversal exceeds MAXSYMLINKS: '/usr/local/mailman/archives'

-- 
Javier Romero Casado
  tel.913357274
Dep. Comunicaciones
     CEDEX

From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu Jul  3 12:41:41 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 11:41:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with check perms
In-Reply-To: <3F040447.10006@cedex.es>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030703112819.04dfa6a8@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 11:24 03/07/2003, javier wrote:
>SO:solaris 8, i'm trying to save lists and archives in a network applyant, 
>how can i make symbolic links to those folders??
>
>thankyou
>
>bash-2.03# cd /usr/local/mailman/
>bash-2.03# ls -la
>total 42
>drwxrwsr-x  18 mailman  mailman      512 Jul  3 12:18 .
>drwxr-xr-x  10 root     other        512 Jun 27 13:06 ..
>drwxrwsr-x  11 root     mailman     1536 Jul  2 11:22 Mailman
>lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mailman        8 Jul  3 12:18 archives -> archives
>drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman     1024 Jul  2 11:23 bin
>drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:22 cgi-bin
>drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:22 cron
>drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:22 data
>drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:22 icons
>lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mailman        5 Jul  3 12:18 lists -> lists
>drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  1 12:40 locks
>drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:24 logs
>drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:22 mail
>drwxrwsr-x  20 root     mailman      512 Jul  1 12:42 messages
>drwxrwsr-x   6 root     mailman      512 Jul  1 12:41 pythonlib
>drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  1 12:40 qfiles
>drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:24 scripts
>drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  1 12:40 spam
>drwxrwsr-x  23 root     mailman      512 Jul  1 12:41 templates
>drwxrwsr-x   4 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:23 tests
>bash-2.03# bin/check_perms
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "bin/check_perms", line 362, in ?
>    checkall()
>  File "bin/check_perms", line 185, in checkall
>    os.path.walk(d, checkwalk, STATE)
>  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/posixpath.py", line 279, in walk
>    func(arg, top, names)
>  File "bin/check_perms", line 99, in checkwalk
>    mode, gid = statgidmode(path)
>  File "bin/check_perms", line 84, in statgidmode
>    stat = os.stat(path)
>OSError: [Errno 90] Number of symbolic links encountered during path name 
>traversal exceeds MAXSYMLINKS: '/usr/local/mailman/archives'

 From the 'ls' output, both 'archives' and 'lists' appear to be symlinks to 
themselves. This would explain why MAXSYMLINKS needs to exist and why it is 
being exceeded.

In answer to your first question, how is the file space on this 'network 
appliance' made available in your file system? Is it NFS mounted? If so 
where is it mounted and what is the problem you have in creating the 
necessary symlinks to it. If not, you will have a real problem putting a 
symlink in your file system to it.

>--
>Javier Romero Casado
>  tel.913357274
>Dep. Comunicaciones
>     CEDEX

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From javier.romero at cedex.es  Thu Jul  3 12:52:15 2003
From: javier.romero at cedex.es (javier)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 12:52:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with check perms; THANKS, RICHARD!
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030703112819.04dfa6a8@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3F040ADF.4010206@cedex.es>

bash-2.03# ls -la
total 42
drwxrwsr-x  18 mailman  mailman      512 Jul  3 12:50 .
drwxr-xr-x  10 root     other        512 Jun 27 13:06 ..
drwxrwsr-x  11 root     mailman     1536 Jul  2 11:22 Mailman
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mailman       26 Jul  3 12:50 archives -> 
/dirarcon/mailman/archives
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman     1024 Jul  2 11:23 bin
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:22 cgi-bin
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:22 cron
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:22 data
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:22 icons
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mailman       23 Jul  3 12:50 lists -> 
/dirarcon/mailman/lists
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  1 12:40 locks
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:24 logs
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:22 mail
drwxrwsr-x  20 root     mailman      512 Jul  1 12:42 messages
drwxrwsr-x   6 root     mailman      512 Jul  1 12:41 pythonlib
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  1 12:40 qfiles
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:24 scripts
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  1 12:40 spam
drwxrwsr-x  23 root     mailman      512 Jul  1 12:41 templates
drwxrwsr-x   4 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:23 tests
bash-2.03# bin/check_perms
directory permissions must be 02775: /usr/local/mailman/lists
Problems found: 1
Re-run as mailman (or root) with -f flag to fix
bash-2.03# bin/check_perms -f
directory permissions must be 02775: /usr/local/mailman/lists (fixing)
Problems found: 1
Re-run as mailman (or root) with -f flag to fix
bash-2.03# bin/check_perms
No problems found

Richard Barrett wrote:

> At 11:24 03/07/2003, javier wrote:
>
>> SO:solaris 8, i'm trying to save lists and archives in a network 
>> applyant, how can i make symbolic links to those folders??
>>
>> thankyou
>>
>> bash-2.03# cd /usr/local/mailman/
>> bash-2.03# ls -la
>> total 42
>> drwxrwsr-x  18 mailman  mailman      512 Jul  3 12:18 .
>> drwxr-xr-x  10 root     other        512 Jun 27 13:06 ..
>> drwxrwsr-x  11 root     mailman     1536 Jul  2 11:22 Mailman
>> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mailman        8 Jul  3 12:18 archives -> 
>> archives
>> drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman     1024 Jul  2 11:23 bin
>> drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:22 cgi-bin
>> drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:22 cron
>> drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:22 data
>> drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:22 icons
>> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mailman        5 Jul  3 12:18 lists -> lists
>> drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  1 12:40 locks
>> drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:24 logs
>> drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:22 mail
>> drwxrwsr-x  20 root     mailman      512 Jul  1 12:42 messages
>> drwxrwsr-x   6 root     mailman      512 Jul  1 12:41 pythonlib
>> drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  1 12:40 qfiles
>> drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:24 scripts
>> drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Jul  1 12:40 spam
>> drwxrwsr-x  23 root     mailman      512 Jul  1 12:41 templates
>> drwxrwsr-x   4 root     mailman      512 Jul  2 11:23 tests
>> bash-2.03# bin/check_perms
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>  File "bin/check_perms", line 362, in ?
>>    checkall()
>>  File "bin/check_perms", line 185, in checkall
>>    os.path.walk(d, checkwalk, STATE)
>>  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/posixpath.py", line 279, in walk
>>    func(arg, top, names)
>>  File "bin/check_perms", line 99, in checkwalk
>>    mode, gid = statgidmode(path)
>>  File "bin/check_perms", line 84, in statgidmode
>>    stat = os.stat(path)
>> OSError: [Errno 90] Number of symbolic links encountered during path 
>> name traversal exceeds MAXSYMLINKS: '/usr/local/mailman/archives'
>
>
> From the 'ls' output, both 'archives' and 'lists' appear to be 
> symlinks to themselves. This would explain why MAXSYMLINKS needs to 
> exist and why it is being exceeded.
>
> In answer to your first question, how is the file space on this 
> 'network appliance' made available in your file system? Is it NFS 
> mounted? If so where is it mounted and what is the problem you have in 
> creating the necessary symlinks to it. If not, you will have a real 
> problem putting a symlink in your file system to it.
>
>> -- 
>> Javier Romero Casado
>>  tel.913357274
>> Dep. Comunicaciones
>>     CEDEX
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>
> Richard Barrett                                      
> http://www.openinfo.co.uk
>
>
>

-- 
Javier Romero Casado
  tel.913357274
Dep. Comunicaciones
     CEDEX

From embrey at hood.edu  Thu Jul  3 16:10:37 2003
From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 10:10:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how are large distribution lists handled
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030703095929.02d65048@hermes.hood.edu>

Mailman-Users:

I am using Mailman 2.1.1 I have several lists and my setting for 
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500. If I have a list with 4000 addresses will this 
setting segment the message into 8 messages with 500 recipients per 
message? This SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500 was the default setting when I installed 
it. Is it the recommended setting or should it be changed?

Bruce Embrey

Bruce Edward Embrey : VMS Systems Manager
Campus Email Admin : UNIX / Linux Administrator
Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927

From ed at leafe.com  Thu Jul  3 16:30:52 2003
From: ed at leafe.com (Ed Leafe)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 10:30:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing address from being unsubscribed
Message-ID: 

	I have a list that is pretty high-traffic. I have a separate list that 
is a sub-set of the big list. To do this, I have an email address that 
subscribes to the big list, and this address is aliased to a series of 
python scripts that determine if the message should be passed on to the 
small list. So far, everything is working great.

	The problem is that some bounces from the small list are being seen as 
a bounce from this proxy email address, and Mailman disabled the proxy 
address, cutting off the whole sub-list processing. Is there any way to 
tell Mailman to *never* remove certain addresses? I.e., to exclude them 
from bounce processing actions?

      ___/
     /
    __/
   /
  ____/
  Ed Leafe
  http://leafe.com/
  http://opentech.leafe.com

From john at greengator.com  Thu Jul  3 16:41:36 2003
From: john at greengator.com (John Cichy)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 14:41:36 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Signup form question
Message-ID: <1057242575.3119.113.camel@localhost>

Hello,

I am currently running  mailman v2.0.11 dedian-woody. When I signed up
for this list, I saw an extra field 'Name', I would like to add this
field to the reg. form for our gaming list, maybe changing it to Screen
Name. 

Is this a feature of a newer ver server, have I just missed the option
to turn it on in the my version, or do I have to write the code to
handle this?

Thanks in advance...
John

From khcarlso at bellsouth.net  Thu Jul  3 16:43:08 2003
From: khcarlso at bellsouth.net (Kevin Carlson)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 10:43:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error messages in maillog
Message-ID: <3F0440FC.40905@bellsouth.net>

I recently reinstalled mailman and am now getting the following message several times a day in my maillog file.  

   forward /home/mailman//.forward+: Group writable directory

Has anyone seen this before and can it be repaired without another reinstall?

Thanks,

Kevin

From gary at gdma.com  Thu Jul  3 16:50:09 2003
From: gary at gdma.com (Gary McClellan)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 09:50:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] default_web_URL
Message-ID: <3F0442A1.7070707@gdma.com>

Where can I change the default URL used for the web interface? ie., change it 
from www.gdma.com to mail.gdma.com

TIA

-- 
Gary McClellan
Gary D McClellan and Associates Ltd
717 Portland Avenue
Beloit, WI 53511
Tel: (815) 307-7602
Fax: (815) 307-7608
Cel: (608) 312-1573

From prussell at mteliza.com.au  Thu Jul  3 03:35:43 2003
From: prussell at mteliza.com.au (Peter Russell)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 11:35:43 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 Questions
Message-ID: 

1. When i setup the mailman box on the private network i used the private
IP at the hostname etc - now i have gone back in and replaced everywqhere i
can find with the FQDN - but still in  responses to mailman-request the
original private IP appears - see below - where exactly can i change this?

The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
original message.

- Results:
    help
    Help for Mailman mailing list:

This is email command help for version 2.1 of the "Mailman"
list manager.  The following describes commands you can send to get
information about and control your subscription to Mailman lists at
this site.  A command can be in the subject line or in the body of the
message.

Note that much of the following can also be accomplished via the World
Wide Web, at:

    http://10.1.10.224/mailman/listinfo/mailman

2. IS there a way of using the postfix style auto generated and update
aliases with sendmail? I have postfix on my test machine and it works a
treat, but i can see no option of doing this with sendmail.

Many thanks
Pete

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From jpbuse at republic.lambesis.com  Thu Jul  3 17:15:50 2003
From: jpbuse at republic.lambesis.com (Jason Buscema)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 08:15:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not being sent
Message-ID: 

I am running 2.1-8 on a newly installed Red Hat 9 machine. I setup my list 
and send a test email to it and I can see that the wrapper kicks in, but 
no messages are delivered to any users and no messages are pending admin 
tasks. The cron tasks appear to be setup correctly by default.

My setup:
Red Hat 9
sendmail-8.12.8-5.90
mailman-2.1-8

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Jul  3 17:58:20 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 15:58:20 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how are large distribution lists handled
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030703095929.02d65048@hermes.hood.edu>
References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030703095929.02d65048@hermes.hood.edu>
Message-ID: <1057247886.2602.123.camel@Anncons4>

Check out the archives for reams of discussions on this setting.

Basically it lets mailman drop off a bunch of mail all destined for the
same domain in one email.  If 500 of your list members are all with
AOL.com then Mailman will put all 500 addresses into one email and dump
it out to your MTA.  What your MTA does with it is up to it.

This dumps the mail as quickly as possible out of Mailman and into your
MTA for delivery.  That's why most folks like the value to be high.

Your MTA also has some settings that affect how many recipients an email
is allowed to have.  If you keep it at 500 for dumping mail to aol, then
your mail will get bounced.

On sites using sendmail, I find that the best value for SMTP_MAX_RCPTS
is between 5 and 10.  This delivers the mail rapidly in small chunks and
doesn't set off any alarms at various Domains.

Play with it yourself and see what works for you.

I've seen ancient graphs of delivery times vs number of user on lists,
mapped for various levels of SMTP_MAX_RCPTS.  For that site, the best
value to use was 5 (for delivering mail the fastest).

Jon Carnes

On Thu, 2003-07-03 at 10:10, Bruce Embrey wrote:
> Mailman-Users:
> 
> I am using Mailman 2.1.1 I have several lists and my setting for 
> SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500. If I have a list with 4000 addresses will this 
> setting segment the message into 8 messages with 500 recipients per 
> message? This SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500 was the default setting when I installed 
> it. Is it the recommended setting or should it be changed?
> 
> 
> Bruce Embrey
> 
> 
> Bruce Edward Embrey : VMS Systems Manager
> Campus Email Admin : UNIX / Linux Administrator
> Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927
> 
> 
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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com

From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu Jul  3 18:43:42 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 17:43:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 Questions
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030703171727.0505d7d0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 02:35 03/07/2003, Peter Russell wrote:
>1. When i setup the mailman box on the private network i used the private
>IP at the hostname etc - now i have gone back in and replaced everywqhere i
>can find with the FQDN

You should only have had to change, in mm_cfg.py, the applicable MM config 
variables described in Defaults.py. Typically something like what follows, 
at the end of your mm_cfg.py, will do the trick:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'your.mailhostname.tld'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'your.webhostname.tld'
VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

Having done that, the $prefix/bin/withlist script $prefix/bin/fix_url.py is 
your friend. Just run fix_url.py to get its usage.

If you are using the MM pipermail archiver with HTML archives, you might 
also need to run $prefix/bin/arch if there is archived email with 
attachments that have been extracted with links to the attachments left in 
the email. These links seem to have the web_page_url of the list concerned 
at the time the email was added to the archive backed in. Running arch 
rebuilds these links.

>  - but still in  responses to mailman-request the
>original private IP appears - see below - where exactly can i change this?
>
>The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
>original message.
>
>- Results:
>     help
>     Help for Mailman mailing list:
>
>This is email command help for version 2.1 of the "Mailman"
>list manager.  The following describes commands you can send to get
>information about and control your subscription to Mailman lists at
>this site.  A command can be in the subject line or in the body of the
>message.
>
>Note that much of the following can also be accomplished via the World
>Wide Web, at:
>
>     http://10.1.10.224/mailman/listinfo/mailman
>
>
>2. IS there a way of using the postfix style auto generated and update
>aliases with sendmail? I have postfix on my test machine and it works a
>treat, but i can see no option of doing this with sendmail.

You could take a look at $MMbuild/contrib/mm-handler which is a Sendmail 
mailer inplemented in Perl which obviates the need for maintaining the list 
aliases but subject to some fairly serious constraints.

There is a Python implementation of a Sendmail mailer with the same 
constraints as mm_mailer (which are basically Sendmail constraints) but 
which is more closely integrated with MM and which, I believe, is a more 
robust solution; being the author of it I would think that. See: 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=644810&group_id=103&atid=300103 

For preference you should use MM 2.1.2 and download the most recent version 
of the patch file which matches your MM version: currently 
mailer-2.1.2-0.1.patch.gz

>Many thanks
>Pete
>

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu Jul  3 19:17:10 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 18:17:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] default_web_URL
In-Reply-To: <3F0442A1.7070707@gdma.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030703181626.0505f0f0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 15:50 03/07/2003, Gary McClellan wrote:
>Where can I change the default URL used for the web interface? ie., change 
>it from www.gdma.com to mail.gdma.com

See:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

>TIA
>
>--
>Gary McClellan
>Gary D McClellan and Associates Ltd
>717 Portland Avenue
>Beloit, WI 53511
>Tel: (815) 307-7602
>Fax: (815) 307-7608
>Cel: (608) 312-1573

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From bazofia at menta.net  Thu Jul  3 22:33:58 2003
From: bazofia at menta.net (bazofia)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 22:33:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual domains/hosts (qmail+mailman)
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030703223324.00bd4cf0@pop3.menta.net>

Hia

I have some questions for  you :D

*Can I have only one mailman installation to manage more than one virtual 
domain?
*Can  these vdomains have their own lists (private for each one) and it's 
own list admin? (only one mailman installation)
*I'd like not to have a subdomain lists.whatever.com. Can I have the lists 
at the same domain as the real users? (not passing all the subdomain mail 
from qmail to mailman, only the mail sent to the lists)

how!?
can you point me to some URLs with examples?
(I have read  INSTALL, README.QMAIL and README, and asked google, too, but 
had no success!!)

thanks in advance!
have a nice day.

From kgs at bluehighways.com  Thu Jul  3 23:39:55 2003
From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 14:39:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Export Memberlist
In-Reply-To: <007001c33f1e$f60976d0$0200a8c0@TAWANDA>
Message-ID: <060001c341ab$a6c0eba0$0200a8c0@TAWANDA>

:This (output of subscriber lists) is requested so frequently I wonder if in a future
:version the Mailman interface could be set up to generate this list for list
:administrators; I know the Mailman paradigm is concentrated on Web access, but most of us

Another subscriber pointed out that the email-enabled "who" command exports this quite
nicely.  

I still think this could make a great Web functionality (not unlike getting immediate
and/or daily notices of new subscribers), but he was right--it functioned just as
advertised. Don't know if all Mailman hosters support the who command, but it does work on
Dreamhost.

----------------------------------------------
Karen G. Schneider kgs at lii.org  http://lii.org 
Director,    Librarians' Index to the Internet

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Jul  4 00:58:16 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 22:58:16 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual domains/hosts (qmail+mailman)
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030703223324.00bd4cf0@pop3.menta.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030703223324.00bd4cf0@pop3.menta.net>
Message-ID: <1057273090.2602.157.camel@Anncons4>

On Thu, 2003-07-03 at 16:33, bazofia wrote:
> Hia
Hoa
> 
> I have some questions for  you :D
> 
> *Can I have only one mailman installation to manage more than one virtual 
> domain?
Yes.
> *Can  these vdomains have their own lists (private for each one) and it's 
> own list admin? (only one mailman installation)
Yes.  You have to play with the list names if any of the Vdomains have
lists with the same name.  The local names for the lists must be
different, but the virtual names can be anything.
> *I'd like not to have a subdomain lists.whatever.com. Can I have the lists 
> at the same domain as the real users? (not passing all the subdomain mail 
> from qmail to mailman, only the mail sent to the lists)
Huh? I can read this question several ways, most of which the answer is
yes.
Yes, the mail for the Vdomain will work fine on a server with real
users.
Yes, if list.whatever.com's mail goes to a different server, then it can
be forwarded (an alias setup) to the server with Mailman on it.  Works
fine, but requires that all lists be setup manually on two servers.
And yes, if that happens your Mailman server can still serve the mail as
@whatever.com -- it doesn't need to be
@lists.whatever.com, though that would work as well, be easier
on you because you wouldn't need to setup aliases on the two servers.
> 
> how!?
> can you point me to some URLs with examples?
> (I have read  INSTALL, README.QMAIL and README, and asked google, too, but 
> had no success!!)
> 
Setup a test system and learn/play/discover.

Some good reading that you have skipped is the file:
   ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py

> thanks in advance!
> have a nice day.
> 
> 
You are welcome.

From wasted1 at rolltidefan.net  Fri Jul  4 02:33:00 2003
From: wasted1 at rolltidefan.net (Wasted One)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 20:33:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & Virtual Web Accounts
In-Reply-To: <1057273090.2602.157.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <001801c341c3$d3708260$6101a8c0@Office>

Can Mailman be installed on a virtual web account with (or without) cgi-wrapper access?

From ashalabh at intersolutions.stpn.soft.net  Fri Jul  4 06:02:15 2003
From: ashalabh at intersolutions.stpn.soft.net (Shalabh Agarwal)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 09:32:15 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Not Recieved...
Message-ID: 

Hi All,
 I have just installed mailman on qmail. Qmail is working fine. But when I
try to send a mail to mailing list, it sent successfully but not recieved. I
don't know where the mails are lost. In short, I think my aliases files are
not working properly. My alias file looks like...
	{|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test}

Pls help me. I am stuck here, don't know what to do.

Thanx & Regards
--Shalabh

From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Jul  4 07:39:35 2003
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 00:39:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how are large distribution lists
 handled
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030703095929.02d65048@hermes.hood.edu>
References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030703095929.02d65048@hermes.hood.edu>
Message-ID: 

At 10:10 AM -0400 2003/07/03, Bruce Embrey wrote:

>  I am using Mailman 2.1.1 I have several lists and my setting for
>  SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500. If I have a list with 4000 addresses will
>  this setting segment the message into 8 messages with 500 recipients
>  per message? This SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500 was the default setting when
>  I installed it. Is it the recommended setting or should it be changed?

	Keep in mind that the RFCs only require that you allow at least 
100 recipients, and many sites lower this number even further.  Check 
to make sure that your own MTA is configured to allow as least as 
many recipients as you want to specify.

	In addition, some sites are sneaky and figure that there's a 
higher probability that you're sending spam if you have too many 
recipients per message.

	So, if you have any recipient domains that have large numbers of 
subscribers, the MTA will have to do more work to split the envelopes 
on those messages -- thus increasing the risk of multiple deliveries 
of the same message to certain sets of recipients, increasing the 
risk that some recipients won't get the message at all, etc....

	Another factor to consider is that some people set up local 
reflectors, or have their e-mail forwarded from one account to 
another.  Unfortunately, some mail systems munge forwarded mail 
sufficiently that you may get bounces from an address you can't find 
anywhere on any of your mailing lists, and you may not be able to 
figure out how to unsubscribe this user.

	Mailman supports a feature called "VERP" (which also has to be 
supported by your MTA) that allows you to have 100% certainty of 
which message was sent to which person (so long as the reply address 
isn't also munged), which greatly increases your probability of 
successfully identifying a bouncing address and removing it.

	Unfortunately, this means you send out one message for each and 
every recipient on your list.  It will take a longer to get the mail 
out, but you'll have a much higher probability of being able to 
cleanly manage your lists.

	Back in 2000, there was a fairly long thread in 
mailman-developers about large lists.  Start with 

and work your way through.

	There's also an interesting message from Chuq to 
mailman-developers that is more directly related to this issue at 
. 
In short, he says that you probably want to set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to be 
at least 2, and beyond 5 it doesn't seem to buy a whole lot.

	These are all issues you need to balance when setting this 
variable in your mailing list and MTA.

-- 
======================================================================
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Jul  4 07:40:46 2003
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 00:40:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List performance queries
Message-ID: 

At 11:20 PM -0400 2003/07/02, J C Lawrence wrote:

>  Configurable.  I'd set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to be fairly high, tho not more
>  than 100 (see Chuq von Rospach's notes on the performance impacts and
>  implications of this setting for more typical MX distributions).

	Back in 2000, there was a fairly long thread in 
mailman-developers about large lists.  Start with 

and work your way through.

	There's also an interesting message from Chuq to 
mailman-developers that is more directly related to this issue at 
. 
In short, he says that you probably want to set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to be 
at least 2, and beyond 5 it doesn't seem to buy a whole lot.

-- 
======================================================================
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

From ptatters at zerobyzero.ca  Fri Jul  4 08:56:22 2003
From: ptatters at zerobyzero.ca (Peter Tattersall)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 02:56:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Not Recieved...
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <9F5BFE82-ADEC-11D7-BFDB-0003931C4CFA@zerobyzero.ca>

On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 12:02  AM, Shalabh Agarwal wrote:

> Hi All,
>  I have just installed mailman on qmail. Qmail is working fine. But 
> when I
> try to send a mail to mailing list, it sent successfully but not 
> recieved. I
> don't know where the mails are lost. In short, I think my aliases 
> files are
> not working properly. My alias file looks like...
> 	{|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test}
>
> Pls help me. I am stuck here, don't know what to do.
>
My aliases look the same, except I don't have brace brackets....

Which version of Mailman? What do your logs show?

From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Jul  4 09:08:04 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 08:08:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing address from being unsubscribed
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030704073953.03bf1bc0@mail.openinfo.co.uk>

At 15:30 03/07/2003, Ed Leafe wrote:
>         I have a list that is pretty high-traffic. I have a separate list 
> that is a sub-set of the big list. To do this, I have an email address 
> that subscribes to the big list, and this address is aliased to a series 
> of python scripts that determine if the message should be passed on to 
> the small list. So far, everything is working great.
>
>         The problem is that some bounces from the small list are being 
> seen as a bounce from this proxy email address, and Mailman disabled the 
> proxy address, cutting off the whole sub-list processing. Is there any 
> way to tell Mailman to *never* remove certain addresses? I.e., to exclude 
> them from bounce processing actions?

If I can paraphrase what I think you have said; some messages sent to 
subscribers of the subordinate list bounce and these bounce messages are 
being returned to the superior list with information indicating they were 
bounced by the subordinate list's email address.

I think you are asking for a means for the superior list to selectively 
ignore those bounce messages.

A more pertinent question would be be why is the superior list should/would 
be seeing those bounce messages.

If the messages your script chooses to pass down to the subordinate list 
are simply posted by it to the subordinate list then any bounce from the 
subordinate list's subscribers should be received by and handled by the 
subordinate list's bounce processing; and MM doesn't normally tell posters 
about bounces resulting from distribution of their posts by the list.

Are you certain that the bounce messages do not actually stem from 
occasional failure of your script to take successful delivery of a message 
from the superior list?

Your MTA logs should show the whether these bounce messages originate 
outside your system and are being passed back to the superior list by some 
means or whether they result from delivery failure to the subordinate list.

>      ___/
>     /
>    __/
>   /
>  ____/
>  Ed Leafe
>  http://leafe.com/
>  http://opentech.leafe.com

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Richard Barrett                                      http://www.openinfo.co.uk

From jiangds at cisp.org.cn  Fri Jul  4 10:20:52 2003
From: jiangds at cisp.org.cn (jiands)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 16:20:52 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  etc missing?!
References: <007001c33f1e$f60976d0$0200a8c0@TAWANDA>
	<3F033A18.1070803@mitre.org>
Message-ID: <030301c34205$2f19b730$6ab463d3@testi2df6d728c>

Hi,list

I cannot find the  

 in the options.py

where are they?
Thank you.

jiangds

From jiangds at cisp.org.cn  Fri Jul  4 10:21:54 2003
From: jiangds at cisp.org.cn (jiands)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 16:21:54 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw:  etc missing?!
Message-ID: <030901c34205$53b0c7f0$6ab463d3@testi2df6d728c>

my MM is 2.1.21src.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jiands" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 4:20 PM
Subject:  etc missing?!

> Hi,list
> 
> I cannot find the  
> 
>  in the options.py
> 
> where are they?
> Thank you.
> 
> 
> 
> jiangds
> 
> 

From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Jul  4 11:57:27 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 10:57:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  etc missing?!
In-Reply-To: <030301c34205$2f19b730$6ab463d3@testi2df6d728c>
References: <007001c33f1e$f60976d0$0200a8c0@TAWANDA>
	<3F033A18.1070803@mitre.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030704101843.0511f778@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 09:20 04/07/2003, jiands wrote:
>Hi,list
>
>I cannot find the 
>
> in the options.py
>
>where are they?
>Thank you.
>

Grep'ing through the MM 2.1.2 source code I find these placeholders are 
only referenced in two language templates: 
$prefix/templates/big5/options.html and $prefix/templates/gb/options.html

Unlike the other placeholders in the different language options.html 
templates the placeholders you are asking about are not defined in 
$prefix/Mailman/Cgi/options.py

Comparing the big5/ and en/ options.html (but only being able to read the 
English text) I got the impression that the placeholders you are asking 
about are present in the big5 and gb language options.html template in 
error. Maybe someone with a knowledge of the relevant language can check 
this idea out.

>jiangds

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Richard Barrett                                      http://www.openinfo.co.uk

From ed at leafe.com  Fri Jul  4 15:49:14 2003
From: ed at leafe.com (Ed Leafe)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 09:49:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing address from being unsubscribed
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030704073953.03bf1bc0@mail.openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4CB013CA-AE26-11D7-A20D-003065B11E84@leafe.com>

On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 03:08  AM, Richard Barrett wrote:

> If I can paraphrase what I think you have said; some messages sent to 
> subscribers of the subordinate list bounce and these bounce messages 
> are being returned to the superior list with information indicating 
> they were bounced by the subordinate list's email address.

	Yes.

> I think you are asking for a means for the superior list to 
> selectively ignore those bounce messages.

	Either that, or to intercept the subscription disabling process so 
that the address is not disabled.

> A more pertinent question would be be why is the superior list 
> should/would be seeing those bounce messages.

	My thoughts exactly. Occasionally I have had bounce messages sent by 
other servers back to some address other than the address in the 
Return-Path: header - some have gone back to the list, some to the 
list-owner, etc. IOW, something screwy in one of the thousands of 
servers I send mail to.

> If the messages your script chooses to pass down to the subordinate 
> list are simply posted by it to the subordinate list then any bounce 
> from the subordinate list's subscribers should be received by and 
> handled by the subordinate list's bounce processing; and MM doesn't 
> normally tell posters about bounces resulting from distribution of 
> their posts by the list.
>
> Are you certain that the bounce messages do not actually stem from 
> occasional failure of your script to take successful delivery of a 
> message from the superior list?

	I grep'd the logs on my server, and couldn't find any entries for the 
proxy address that didn't have "status=sent" on the line.

      ___/
     /
    __/
   /
  ____/
  Ed Leafe
  http://leafe.com/
  http://opentech.leafe.com

From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Jul  4 16:46:44 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 15:46:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing address from being unsubscribed
In-Reply-To: <4CB013CA-AE26-11D7-A20D-003065B11E84@leafe.com>
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030704073953.03bf1bc0@mail.openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030704145108.04fa2c90@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 14:49 04/07/2003, Ed Leafe wrote:
>On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 03:08  AM, Richard Barrett wrote:
>
>>If I can paraphrase what I think you have said; some messages sent to 
>>subscribers of the subordinate list bounce and these bounce messages are 
>>being returned to the superior list with information indicating they were 
>>bounced by the subordinate list's email address.
>
>         Yes.
>
>>I think you are asking for a means for the superior list to selectively 
>>ignore those bounce messages.
>
>         Either that, or to intercept the subscription disabling process 
> so that the address is not disabled.
>
>>A more pertinent question would be be why is the superior list 
>>should/would be seeing those bounce messages.
>
>         My thoughts exactly. Occasionally I have had bounce messages sent 
> by other servers back to some address other than the address in the 
> Return-Path: header - some have gone back to the list, some to the 
> list-owner, etc. IOW, something screwy in one of the thousands of servers 
> I send mail to.

I have heard that, in contravention of RFC 2821, some MTA may do this but 
see my comments below.

>>If the messages your script chooses to pass down to the subordinate list 
>>are simply posted by it to the subordinate list then any bounce from the 
>>subordinate list's subscribers should be received by and handled by the 
>>subordinate list's bounce processing; and MM doesn't normally tell 
>>posters about bounces resulting from distribution of their posts by the list.
>>
>>Are you certain that the bounce messages do not actually stem from 
>>occasional failure of your script to take successful delivery of a 
>>message from the superior list?

So how is your script, having had the message from the superior lists 
delivered to it by your MTA, sending the message to the subordinate list. 
Are you using SMTP from your script or are you using the $prefix/bin/inject 
script or something else?

If you are using SMTP (or inject'ing into the default incoming queue) then 
by the time MM has received the message from the MTA and then processed the 
message through the subordinate list:

1. the envelope From should be the subordinate.listname-bounces alias

2. the Sender: header should be subordinate.listname alias

3. the Error-to: header should be subordinate.listname-bounces alias

4. The envelope To and To: header should be that of the subordinate list 
subscriber

5. The From: header should be that of the poster to the superior list, 
superior.listname alias, the subordinate.listname alias or some other 
explicit address depending on the settings of the reply_goes_to_list and 
reply_to_address attributes of the superior and subordinate lists.

This being so it is difficult to see (even with an 
not-quite-RFC-conformant-MTA along the way) how a bounce message in respect 
of a message coming from the subordinate list is finding its way back to 
the superior list, with the subordinate list identified as the address to 
which the message was sent.

>         I grep'd the logs on my server, and couldn't find any entries for 
> the proxy address that didn't have "status=sent" on the line.
>
>      ___/
>     /
>    __/
>   /
>  ____/
>  Ed Leafe
>  http://leafe.com/
>  http://opentech.leafe.com

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Richard Barrett                                      http://www.openinfo.co.uk

From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Jul  4 17:00:19 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 16:00:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing address from being unsubscribed
In-Reply-To: <4CB013CA-AE26-11D7-A20D-003065B11E84@leafe.com>
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030704073953.03bf1bc0@mail.openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030704155447.05127e98@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 14:49 04/07/2003, Ed Leafe wrote:
>On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 03:08  AM, Richard Barrett wrote:
>
>>If I can paraphrase what I think you have said; some messages sent to 
>>subscribers of the subordinate list bounce and these bounce messages are 
>>being returned to the superior list with information indicating they were 
>>bounced by the subordinate list's email address.
>
>         Yes.
>
>>I think you are asking for a means for the superior list to selectively 
>>ignore those bounce messages.
>
>         Either that, or to intercept the subscription disabling process 
> so that the address is not disabled.
>
>>A more pertinent question would be be why is the superior list 
>>should/would be seeing those bounce messages.
>
>         My thoughts exactly. Occasionally I have had bounce messages sent 
> by other servers back to some address other than the address in the 
> Return-Path: header - some have gone back to the list, some to the 
> list-owner, etc. IOW, something screwy in one of the thousands of servers 
> I send mail to.
>
>>If the messages your script chooses to pass down to the subordinate list 
>>are simply posted by it to the subordinate list then any bounce from the 
>>subordinate list's subscribers should be received by and handled by the 
>>subordinate list's bounce processing; and MM doesn't normally tell 
>>posters about bounces resulting from distribution of their posts by the list.
>>
>>Are you certain that the bounce messages do not actually stem from 
>>occasional failure of your script to take successful delivery of a 
>>message from the superior list?
>
>         I grep'd the logs on my server, and couldn't find any entries for 
> the proxy address that didn't have "status=sent" on the line.

Do you have the 'bounce_notify_owner_on_removal' attribute on for the 
superior list, If you can tolerate that it should give you visibility of 
any bounce that triggers the suppression of your subordinate list's address 
on the superior list. You can get at the headers etc on the messages that 
are bouncing and maybe a hint as to what is going wrong.

>      ___/
>     /
>    __/
>   /
>  ____/
>  Ed Leafe
>  http://leafe.com/
>  http://opentech.leafe.com

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Richard Barrett                                      http://www.openinfo.co.uk

From ed at leafe.com  Fri Jul  4 18:50:10 2003
From: ed at leafe.com (Ed Leafe)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 12:50:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing address from being unsubscribed
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030704171714.03de4408@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <92EED3C2-AE3F-11D7-8ACF-003065B11E84@leafe.com>

On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 12:38  PM, Richard Barrett wrote:

>> It is the sent to stdout via print commands, which are received by 
>> the subordinate list like any other message would be. When the list 
>> sends the message out, it supplies its own Return-Path:, etc., 
>> headers, as any list would do.
>
> But what is going to happen if your script decides _not_ to forward 
> the message to the mailman wrapper. Would you not be better using 
> os.popen() if you decide to deliver the message to the subordinate 
> list. As things stand is not the normal post script is being asked to 
> read a message from an empty pipe? It may cope with that but why make 
> it do so and what are the consequences.

	A little sleight-of-hand: if the message is not to be sent to the 
list, I add a particular header to the message. The subordinate list is 
then configured to automatically discard any message containing that 
header. So all messages get forwarded to the list, but only the "good" 
ones ever get sent out to subscribers.

      ___/
     /
    __/
   /
  ____/
  Ed Leafe
  http://leafe.com/
  http://opentech.leafe.com

From veryaner at sinfm3.homelinux.org  Fri Jul  4 22:31:57 2003
From: veryaner at sinfm3.homelinux.org (veryaner)
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 14:31:57 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: list statics]
Message-ID: <3F05E43D.2090705@sinfm3.homelinux.org>

hi everybody,
I need a module or something to show my list statics? is this posible?
I want to show, the user who send more mails, and that kind of things...
thanks in advanced
veryaner

-- 

-- 

From help at quality.org  Sat Jul  5 04:51:44 2003
From: help at quality.org (SysAdmin)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 19:51:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] So far, I'm very disappointed with Mailman
Message-ID: 

I've had nothing but problems with it. Majordomo sucked, but at least it
stayed up and running. Mailman's processes are all there, but no messages
get delivered to the lists (yes, I've already gone thru the FAQ and
validated that everything is correctly configured, the cronjobs are
running, etc.), and now it's stopped subscribing new users, too. It
presents the listinfo pages correctly, appears to complete the subscribe
transaction correctly, but the address doesn't get subscribed and the
moderator/admin never gets notified to approve the request. It's like it
just vanishes into the ether. I have to manually restart Mailman at least
twice a day, just to get it to not perform correctly. I don't know what
I'd have to do t get it running right...or maybe it's not possible to ever
get it running right. 

Anyone have a better mailing list tool than Mailman that you can
recommend? I'd like to have something that I don't have to babysit so
much. As much as I hate to do it, I might just have to go back to
Majordomo (it has much better documentation, too). Sigh.

Bill

From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Jul  5 06:28:55 2003
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 00:28:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] So far, I'm very disappointed with Mailman 
In-Reply-To: Message from SysAdmin  of "Fri,
	04 Jul 2003 19:51:44 PDT."

References:  
Message-ID: <27968.1057379335@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 19:51:44 -0700 (PDT) 
SysAdmin   wrote:

> I've had nothing but problems with it. Majordomo sucked, but at least
> it stayed up and running. 

This is hardly a way to get either sympathy or help.

> Mailman's processes are all there, but no messages get delivered...

Then post the data that's needed to resolve the problem.  You know the
mantra and the ritual: what do the logs say?

> As much as I hate to do it, I might just have to go back to Majordomo
> (it has much better documentation, too). Sigh.

I ship between 1 and 2 million messages a day through Mailman without
any problems or SysAdm intervention.  In the real of Mailman sites I'm
fairly tiny.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sat Jul  5 06:51:11 2003
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:51:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing address from being
 unsubscribed
In-Reply-To: <4CB013CA-AE26-11D7-A20D-003065B11E84@leafe.com>
References: <4CB013CA-AE26-11D7-A20D-003065B11E84@leafe.com>
Message-ID: 

At 9:49 AM -0400 2003/07/04, Ed Leafe wrote:

>>  A more pertinent question would be be why is the superior list
>>  should/would be seeing those bounce messages.
>
>  	My thoughts exactly. Occasionally I have had bounce messages sent
>  by other servers back to some address other than the address in the
>  Return-Path: header - some have gone back to the list, some to the
>  list-owner, etc. IOW, something screwy in one of the thousands of
>  servers I send mail to.

	Some MTAs are screwed up.  They do not honor the envelope sender 
address, and instead send bounces back to the "From:" address, the 
"Reply-to:" address, the "Errors-to:" address, or some other bizarre 
address of their choosing.

	LAN e-mail (especially Microsoft products) appear to be the 
biggest offenders, but they are not the only ones.

	There's not much you can do about MTAs that are screwed up.  You 
just hope that your MLM software is capable of dealing with whatever 
bletchery and dreckage that they may potentially generate.

-- 
======================================================================
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sat Jul  5 06:52:20 2003
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:52:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: list statics]
In-Reply-To: <3F05E43D.2090705@sinfm3.homelinux.org>
References: <3F05E43D.2090705@sinfm3.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: 

At 2:31 PM -0600 2003/07/04, veryaner wrote:

>  I need a module or something to show my list statics? is this posible?
>  I want to show, the user who send more mails, and that kind of things...

	Sounds to me like you want a general-purpose log processing 
program for your MTA.  Check out "lire" from logreport.org.

-- 
======================================================================
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sat Jul  5 06:56:15 2003
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:56:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] So far, I'm very disappointed with
 Mailman
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

At 7:51 PM -0700 2003/07/04, SysAdmin wrote:

>  Anyone have a better mailing list tool than Mailman that you can
>  recommend? I'd like to have something that I don't have to babysit so
>  much. As much as I hate to do it, I might just have to go back to
>  Majordomo (it has much better documentation, too). Sigh.

	I've been administering mail systems for over ten years.  I've 
also been administering mailing lists for about that long.  I've used 
majordomo, and we've recently upgraded to mailman 2.1.2 on the 
mailing lists I'm now administering.

	I can tell you, with some authority, that mailman is many orders 
of magnitude better than majordomo, with more features, and easier 
and more flexible to manage, both for people who are old hands at 
mailing list administration and people who have never done it before 
in their life.

	I really don't want to begin to contemplate what would be 
necessary for us to switch back to majordomo.

	Now, if you want to get some help with mailman, provide us more 
information about your configuration and just what exactly is not 
working well, and maybe we can help.  Otherwise, you're wasting your 
time and ours.

-- 
======================================================================
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

From heather at pcgal.com  Sat Jul  5 08:17:15 2003
From: heather at pcgal.com (Heather J. Lubinsky)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:17:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] So far, I'm very disappointed with Mailman
References: 

Message-ID: <012b01c342bd$1520a920$c94545a9@lubinsky.com>

I just wanted to say - once you get mailman set up and running - it should
not need any babysitting.
I have run Lsoft's Listserv, Majordormo, and about 10 different list servers
and this one - once you get the kinks from your system worked out is the
most flexible and the best.

I have also been thrilled with the help I have gotten on this list.  I
currently run an older version because the server I am on uses an older
version of python - but one of my friends runs the newer version and said
for the first few weeks she had to work like a dog getting the bugs out and
doing little fixes but with help from this list - she is now running like
me - no  worries.

And I am rather tough (at least I think so) on the list server:
(see my stats that a few members helped me create at
http://www.pcolist.org/report.html)
also with a bit of help and learning how to tweak things I have simplified
many things that used to take me a lot of time - we change headers and
footers a lot and that used to be a pain but using the same type of idea
that was given to me for the list statistics I was able to change all of the
list headers and footers by just editing a text file and then running a
command - 1 minute later everything is all set.

Our lists are mostly discussion lists and we have both fully moderated and
moderated only by email address lists and it makes it a snap.  I am the
sever admin and I spend maybe 1 hour a month researching addresses or a
wacky problem and the list admin who moderates and handles all list problems
says real list problems only take her 2-3 hours a month and the rest are our
user problems.

And our focus is dealing with women in crisis - most are not even computer
literate - so we really feel this list software is worth it - and it is
FREE!

Anyway - thanks for all those who have helped in the past and will help in
the future and for a great product that to a newbie linux user isn't all
that bad.

Heather Lubinsky
Director of Operations, PCOSA

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Knowles" 
To: "SysAdmin" 
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] So far, I'm very disappointed with Mailman

At 7:51 PM -0700 2003/07/04, SysAdmin wrote:

>  Anyone have a better mailing list tool than Mailman that you can
>  recommend? I'd like to have something that I don't have to babysit so
>  much. As much as I hate to do it, I might just have to go back to
>  Majordomo (it has much better documentation, too). Sigh.

I've been administering mail systems for over ten years.  I've
also been administering mailing lists for about that long.  I've used
majordomo, and we've recently upgraded to mailman 2.1.2 on the
mailing lists I'm now administering.

I can tell you, with some authority, that mailman is many orders
of magnitude better than majordomo, with more features, and easier
and more flexible to manage, both for people who are old hands at
mailing list administration and people who have never done it before
in their life.

I really don't want to begin to contemplate what would be
necessary for us to switch back to majordomo.

Now, if you want to get some help with mailman, provide us more
information about your configuration and just what exactly is not
working well, and maybe we can help.  Otherwise, you're wasting your
time and ours.

-- 
======================================================================
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

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From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Sat Jul  5 11:23:18 2003
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 02:23:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: So far, I'm very disappointed with Mailman
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20030705092318.GH14255@hq.newdream.net>

On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 07:51:44PM -0700, SysAdmin wrote:

> I've had nothing but problems with it. Majordomo sucked, but at least it
> stayed up and running.

So don't use it.

-- 
"Since when is skepticism un-American?
Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Jul  5 17:40:18 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 15:40:18 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: list statics]
In-Reply-To: <3F05E43D.2090705@sinfm3.homelinux.org>
References: <3F05E43D.2090705@sinfm3.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <1057419616.2622.10.camel@Anncons4>

On Fri, 2003-07-04 at 16:31, veryaner wrote:
> hi everybody,
> I need a module or something to show my list statics? is this posible?
> I want to show, the user who send more mails, and that kind of things...
> thanks in advanced
> veryaner
> 
> -- 

====== Beginning of script: mm_stats ======

#! /bin/bash
# Run monthly stats on Meeting maker logs
#  - top 10 users of each list
#  - Number of attempted posts (per list)
#  - Total bytes sent (per list)
# written by Jon Carnes, last modified on Sept 26, 2002
#
# Mailman's log file to be examined for stats
#POST=/home/mailman/logs/post
POST=/var/log/mailman/post.1

# create temp file to collect stats
TMPFILE=`mktemp /tmp/mm_stats.XXXXXX` || exit 1

LIST="`/var/mailman/bin/list_lists |awk '{print $1}' |sed -n '2,$p'`"
for i in $LIST
do
  echo "Stats from local Mailman list: $i" > $TMPFILE
  echo " "  >> $TMPFILE
  echo -n "   Starting:  " >> $TMPFILE
  head -1 $POST |cut -f1-3 "-d " >> $TMPFILE
  echo -n "   Ending:    " >> $TMPFILE
  tail -1 $POST |cut -f1-3 "-d " >> $TMPFILE
  echo " ===" >> $TMPFILE
  echo -n "Total posts to the list: " >> $TMPFILE
  grep -i "post to $i " $POST |wc -l >> $TMPFILE
  echo -n "Total SUCCESSFUL posts to the list: " >> $TMPFILE
  grep -i "post to $i " $POST |grep success |wc -l >> $TMPFILE
  SIZ=`grep -i "post to $i" $POST|grep success|cut -f2 -d= |cut -f1 -d,`
  k=0; for j in $SIZ; do k=$(( j + k )); done
  echo "  Total bytes" = $k >> $TMPFILE
  echo " "  >> $TMPFILE
  echo "Top 10 posters to the list:" >> $TMPFILE
  grep -i "post to $i " $POST |cut -f 10 "-d " |sort |uniq -c \
     |sort -bgr |head -10 >> $TMPFILE
  echo " " >> $TMPFILE
  # Mail the collected stats off to list admin and cc mailman user
  mail -s "Mailman Stats for List: $i" -c mailman $i-admin <$TMPFILE
done

# remove the temp file
rm $TMPFILE

====== End of Script ======

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Jul  5 17:49:20 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 15:49:20 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: list statics] - Bounces
In-Reply-To: <3F05E43D.2090705@sinfm3.homelinux.org>
References: <3F05E43D.2090705@sinfm3.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <1057420158.2622.19.camel@Anncons4>

On Fri, 2003-07-04 at 16:31, veryaner wrote:
> hi everybody,
> I need a module or something to show my list statics? is this posible?
> I want to show, the user who send more mails, and that kind of things...
> thanks in advanced
> veryaner
> 
> -- 

====== Begin script: mm_bounces =======
#!/bin/bash
# mm_bounces: sends an email of bounced folks to the sys at domain.org list
# Note, these bounced emails have been automatically set to "no mail"
# for the Mailman lists that they were a part of.
# written by Jon Carnes, last modified on May 1, 2003

# create temp file to collect stats
TMPFILE=`mktemp /tmp/mm_stats.XXXXXX` || exit 1
BOINK=/var/log/mailman/bounce.1
MONTH="`date -d"last month" +%b`"

echo "This is a list of emails from $MONTH that were bouncing" \
    >$TMPFILE
echo "but are still subscribed to local Mailman mailing lists." \
    >>$TMPFILE
echo "The email addresses were automatically set to _no_mail_" \
    >>$TMPFILE
echo "in the specified lists, due to the  bounces."  >>$TMPFILE
echo "You should consider deleting these email addresses from" \
    >>$TMPFILE
echo "all Mailman lists:"   >>$TMPFILE
echo "/home/mailman/bin/remove_members --fromall email at address" \
    >>$TMPFILE
echo " "      >> $TMPFILE
echo "======" >> $TMPFILE

grep -hs "disabled " $BOINK | \
   grep -vs "already disabled" | \
   grep -s $MONTH | \
   cut -f6- "-d " |sort >> $TMPFILE

TEST="`tail -1 $TMPFILE`"
if [ "$TEST" = "======" ]; then rm $TMPFILE; exit 0; fi

# TEST indicates that there were email addresses disabled last month
# So we need to send this message to sys at domain.org
cat $TMPFILE |mail -s "$MONTH: Mailman disable list" sys at domain.org

rm $TMPFILE
====== End of Script ======

From chasm at texas.net  Sat Jul  5 17:54:03 2003
From: chasm at texas.net (schuetzen)
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 10:54:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] So far, I'm very disappointed with Mailman
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <33tdgvgjjo3jqbgj8u4bqevqs9t201l2e1@4ax.com>

On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 19:51:44 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>
>Anyone have a better mailing list tool than Mailman that you can
>recommend? I'd like to have something that I don't have to babysit so

HAVE NOT tried it but many recommend Lyris.
fwiw
chas
--
powered by Linux, Suse 8.2 Pro + Agent under Wine emulator
Charles L Hamilton, Houston, TX  chasm @ texas. net  www.schuetzen.net

From paul at thcwd.com  Sat Jul  5 18:26:21 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 11:26:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: So far, I'm very disappointed with Mailman
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030705112339.07e08268@mail.thcwd.com>

Bill griped:
>I've had nothing but problems with it. Majordomo sucked, but at least it
>stayed up and running. ....Anyone have a better mailing list tool than 
>Mailman that you can
>recommend? I'd like to have something that I don't have to babysit so
>much.

      There is either something wrong/missing on your server or with your 
install.  Any of those problems could probably be identified by the good 
folks here if you gave some information.

<>< Paul 

From jonas at freesources.org  Sat Jul  5 18:42:58 2003
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 18:42:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] get the list of publicly archived lists
Message-ID: <20030705164258.GC996@freesources.org>

hi, is there any way to get the lists that are hosted by local mailman
and archived publicly? list_lists -a shows the lists that are showed on
the official list.

bye
 mejo

-- 
Efficiency and progess is ours one more
Now that we have the Neutron bomb
It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight

From dave at plover.net  Sat Jul  5 18:45:36 2003
From: dave at plover.net (David A. Cornelson)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 11:45:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any Solution to 2.1.2 Upgrade on Debian?
Message-ID: 

I posted this once already and tried on suggested solution that basically
destroyed my python installation. I had to reinstall python and mailman and
I'm back to this exact same problem. To add to this symptom, the icons don't
show up. They seemed to have been moved or a link isn't being created in the
package.

Before I try to install from the .tar, is this related to a poor debian
package or is it something inherent in 2.1.2 on Debian? Or, a true solution
would be helpful.

Thanks,

David Cornelson

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks! 
Traceback:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 96, in main
    process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata, language)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 176, in
process_form
    mlist.AddMember(userdesc, remote)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 831, in AddMember
    text=text, lang=lang)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 206, in __init__
    errors='replace')
TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'errors'

________________________________________
Python information:
Variable
Value
sys.version
2.2.2 (#1, Mar 21 2003, 23:01:54) [GCC 3.2.3 20030316 (Debian prerelease)] 
sys.executable
/usr/bin/python 
sys.prefix
/usr 
sys.exec_prefix
/usr 
sys.path
/usr 
sys.platform
linux2 
________________________________________
Environment variables:
Variable
Value
HTTP_ACCEPT 
image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg,
application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/msword,
application/x-shockwave-flash, */* 
CONTENT_TYPE 
application/x-www-form-urlencoded 
HTTP_REFERER 
http://plover.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/beta 
SERVER_SOFTWARE 
Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) Debian GNU/Linux mod_jk/1.1.0 DAV/1.0.3 
PYTHONPATH 
/var/lib/mailman 
SCRIPT_FILENAME 
/usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/subscribe 
SERVER_ADMIN 
root at plover.net 
SCRIPT_NAME 
/cgi-bin/mailman/subscribe 
SERVER_SIGNATURE 

REQUEST_METHOD 
POST 
HTTP_HOST 
plover.net 
PATH_INFO 
/beta 
SERVER_PROTOCOL 
HTTP/1.1 
QUERY_STRING 

HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL 
no-cache 
REQUEST_URI 
/cgi-bin/mailman/subscribe/beta 
CONTENT_LENGTH 
112 
PATH_TRANSLATED 
/home/httpd/html/beta 
HTTP_USER_AGENT 
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.2; .NET CLR 1.1.4322) 
HTTP_CONNECTION 
Keep-Alive 
SERVER_NAME 
plover.net 
REMOTE_ADDR 
64.81.228.28 
REMOTE_PORT 
8026 
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 
en-us 
SERVER_ADDR 
64.81.228.29 
SERVER_PORT 
80 
GATEWAY_INTERFACE 
CGI/1.1 
REMOTE_HOST 
dsl081-228-028.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net 
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 
gzip, deflate 
UNIQUE_ID 
Pwb at wUBR5B0AAD6CLHA 
DOCUMENT_ROOT 
/home/httpd/html 

From matt at remedyx.com  Sat Jul  5 18:47:47 2003
From: matt at remedyx.com (Matt Thoene)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 09:47:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Virtual Domains (one more try)
In-Reply-To: <52460838470.20030702091346@remedyx.com>
References: <52460838470.20030702091346@remedyx.com>
Message-ID: <114722068860.20030705094747@remedyx.com>

On Wednesday, July 2, 2003 @ 9:13:46 AM [-0700], Matt Thoene wrote:

> I have done an exhaustive search of the archives/google and did find a
> few gems on virtual domains with mailman...but have only messed things
> up even further. Hopefully, someone can assist. First, my setup...

> Mandrake Linux 8.2
> Postfix version 2.0.4
> Mailman 2.1.2

> I have many many virtual domains on this machine. I currently have
> mailman running fine for just one of the domains, and would like to add
> the service for one of the others, possibly more in the future. I have
> read through the postfix.readme but I'm having trouble understanding all
> of the various pieces needed. First question...is there a good HOWTO or
> FAQ specifically for virtual domain support and Mailman? If not, can
> someone help me with the following questions?

> I have added to mm_cfg.py:

> MTA = 'Postfix'
> POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS =
> ['www.virtualdomain.tld','virtualdomain.tld']

> I have added to main.cf:

> virtual_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual
>  hash:/var/www/html/mailman/data/virtual-mailman  <---added this line

> In virtual-mailman:

> info at virtualdomain.tld              info
> info-admin at virtualdomain.tld        info-admin
> info-bounces at virtualdomain.tld      info-bounces
> info-confirm at virtualdomain.tld      info-confirm
> info-join at virtualdomain.tld         info-join
> info-leave at virtualdomain.tld        info-leave
> info-owner at virtualdomain.tld        info-owner
> info-request at virtualdomain.tld      info-request
> info-subscribe at virtualdomain.tld    info-subscribe
> info-unsubscribe at virtualdomain.tld  info-unsubscribe

> In aliases:

> info:             "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/mailman post info"
> info-admin:       "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/mailman admin info"
> info-bounces:     "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/mailman bounces info"
> info-confirm:     "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/mailman confirm info"
> info-join:        "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/mailman join info"
> info-leave:       "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/mailman leave info"
> info-owner:       "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/mailman owner info"
> info-request:     "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/mailman request info"
> info-subscribe:   "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe info"
> info-unsubscribe: "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe info"

> I have postmap'd and newaliased, bin/genaliased, and postfix reloaded.
> Still doesn't work. Mail sent to "info at virtualdomain.tld" seems to just
> ignore mailman and gets sent to the admin address of the list.

> Does anybody see something I'm missing here?

I guess I'll try this one more time before giving up...does anyone see
something I'm doing wrong here? Thanks.

-- 
Matt                       

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Jul  5 19:03:34 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 17:03:34 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any Solution to 2.1.2 Upgrade on Debian?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1057424611.2622.28.camel@Anncons4>

You should try contacting the Debian maintainer for Mailman. I'm sure
they would be able to help you - in fact they are probably on this
list...

Reporting problems in Debian packages
=====================================
If you would like to file a bug against a Debian package, we have a bug
tracking system where you can easily report your problem. Please read
the instructions for filing bug reports:
   http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting

If you simply want to communicate with the maintainer of a Debian
package, then you can use the special mail aliases set up for each
package. Any mail sent to @packages.debian.org will be
forwarded to the maintainer responsible for that package.

======
If that doesn't get a proper response by Monday night, try the install
from source.  It's a lot easier than you think.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Sat, 2003-07-05 at 12:45, David A. Cornelson wrote:
> I posted this once already and tried on suggested solution that basically
> destroyed my python installation. I had to reinstall python and mailman and
> I'm back to this exact same problem. To add to this symptom, the icons don't
> show up. They seemed to have been moved or a link isn't being created in the
> package.
> 
> Before I try to install from the .tar, is this related to a poor debian
> package or is it something inherent in 2.1.2 on Debian? Or, a true solution
> would be helpful.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> David Cornelson
> 
> 
> Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
> this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
> happened. Thanks! 
> Traceback:
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 96, in main
>     process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata, language)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 176, in
> process_form
>     mlist.AddMember(userdesc, remote)
>   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 831, in AddMember
>     text=text, lang=lang)
>   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 206, in __init__
>     errors='replace')
> TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'errors'
> 
> 
> ________________________________________
> Python information:
> Variable
> Value
> sys.version
> 2.2.2 (#1, Mar 21 2003, 23:01:54) [GCC 3.2.3 20030316 (Debian prerelease)] 
> sys.executable
> /usr/bin/python 
> sys.prefix
> /usr 
> sys.exec_prefix
> /usr 
> sys.path
> /usr 
> sys.platform
> linux2 
> ________________________________________
> Environment variables:
> Variable
> Value
> HTTP_ACCEPT 
> image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg,
> application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/msword,
> application/x-shockwave-flash, */* 
> CONTENT_TYPE 
> application/x-www-form-urlencoded 
> HTTP_REFERER 
> http://plover.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/beta
> SERVER_SOFTWARE 
> Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) Debian GNU/Linux mod_jk/1.1.0 DAV/1.0.3 
> PYTHONPATH 
> /var/lib/mailman 
> SCRIPT_FILENAME 
> /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/subscribe 
> SERVER_ADMIN 
> root at plover.net 
> SCRIPT_NAME 
> /cgi-bin/mailman/subscribe 
> SERVER_SIGNATURE 
> 
> REQUEST_METHOD 
> POST 
> HTTP_HOST 
> plover.net 
> PATH_INFO 
> /beta 
> SERVER_PROTOCOL 
> HTTP/1.1 
> QUERY_STRING 
> 
> HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL 
> no-cache 
> REQUEST_URI 
> /cgi-bin/mailman/subscribe/beta 
> CONTENT_LENGTH 
> 112 
> PATH_TRANSLATED 
> /home/httpd/html/beta 
> HTTP_USER_AGENT 
> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.2; .NET CLR 1.1.4322) 
> HTTP_CONNECTION 
> Keep-Alive 
> SERVER_NAME 
> plover.net 
> REMOTE_ADDR 
> 64.81.228.28 
> REMOTE_PORT 
> 8026 
> HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 
> en-us 
> SERVER_ADDR 
> 64.81.228.29 
> SERVER_PORT 
> 80 
> GATEWAY_INTERFACE 
> CGI/1.1 
> REMOTE_HOST 
> dsl081-228-028.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net 
> HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 
> gzip, deflate 
> UNIQUE_ID 
> Pwb at wUBR5B0AAD6CLHA 
> DOCUMENT_ROOT 
> /home/httpd/html 
> 
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From jimpop at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  5 19:45:10 2003
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 13:45:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: list statics]
In-Reply-To: <3F05E43D.2090705@sinfm3.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: 

Here's one that I use to produce a simple report of members per virtual
domains:

-------------- BEGIN SCRIPT (mailman-report.sh) -------------------
#!/bin/sh

# v1.0
# Created by Jim Popovitch  2003-06-30
#
#
# This script creates a report showing you the number of members
# per virtual domain.  You can run the script every month from cron
# and pipe the output to an email like this:
#
#  mailman-report.sh domain1.com | mail -s "Monthly Mailman Report"
admin at domain1.com
#
#

## Make sure that this points to your correct Mailman base location:
MMBASE=/home/mailman

##
#
# Check that a domainname was specified
#
if test -z "$1"; then
  echo
  echo "     SYNTAX: `basename $0` "
  echo
  exit 1
fi

#
#
LISTS=`$MMBASE/bin/list_lists -V $1 | grep " - " | awk '{ print $1 }'`
EXEC=$MMBASE/bin/list_members
DATE=`date +"%d %B-%Y"`

#
# Allocate some temp files based on virtual domain
TMPPAGE=/tmp/$1-report-page.$$
touch $TMPPAGE
TMPFILE=/tmp/$1-report-list.$$
touch $TMPFILE

#
# Print the header
#
echo "________________________________________"
echo "$DATE report for $1"

#
# Verify that we have something to report on
#
if test -z "$LISTS"; then
    echo
    echo "**there are no lists for this domain"
    echo
    exit 0
fi

#
# crawl the lists, counting members
#
for list in $LISTS; do
  echo -n "$list " >> $TMPPAGE;
  $EXEC $list | tee --append $TMPFILE | wc -l >> $TMPPAGE;
done

#
# Print the report
#
echo "________________________________________"
awk 'BEGIN{printf("%-30s%-10s\n","List Name","Members")}'
echo "________________________________________"
cat $TMPPAGE | awk '{printf("%-30s%-10s\n",$1,$2)}'
echo "________________________________________"
cat $TMPFILE | wc -l | awk '{printf("%-30s%-10s\n","Total Members:",$1)}'
sort -ui $TMPFILE | wc -l | awk '{printf("%-30s%-10s\n","Unique
Members:",$1)}'
echo

#
# Clean up
#
rm -f $TMPFILE
rm -f $TMPPAGE
-------------- END SCRIPT -------------------

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jimpop=yahoo.com at python.org]On Behalf Of
> veryaner
> Sent: Friday, 04 July, 2003 16:32
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: list statics]
>
>
> hi everybody,
> I need a module or something to show my list statics? is this posible?
> I want to show, the user who send more mails, and that kind of things...
> thanks in advanced
> veryaner
>
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From boringbr at xprt.net  Sun Jul  6 08:45:32 2003
From: boringbr at xprt.net (Scott Brown)
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 23:45:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgraded to 2.1.2, old lists work, new do not
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030705234100.009ec150@mail.scottbrown.us>

The question is mainly in the subject, but I will re-say it.
  The group I am with has a dedicated server that comes with Mailman, 
version 2.0.3. I downloaded 2.1.2 and installed it to the directory that 
2.0.3 was in. Install went fine. When I go to the control panel for the 
pre-2.1.2 lists everything works. However, when I go to the control panel 
for the new lists I made I get page can not be displayed errors and the 
links are all screwed up. Instead of being: mydomain.com/mailman/whatever, 
I get servername.hostingcompany.com/mailman/whatever.

Is there a config file we can change that with?

Scott 

From mort at bork.org  Mon Jul  7 00:32:40 2003
From: mort at bork.org (Martin Hicks)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 18:32:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending requests not being sent out.
Message-ID: <20030706223240.GF22928@bork.org>

Hello,

I recently let my debian-sarge machine upgrade mailman to 2.1.2-2.  I
did most of the manual stuff that was required to move from 2.0 to 2.1
and the lists seem to be working fine.  The one problem that I just
noticed is that I'm no longer getting the pending moderation requests
either by e-mail or in the web interface.

I see the held messages in the data directory:

galileo:/var/lib/mailman# ls -l data
total 3280
-rw-r-----    1 root     list           13 Mar 25  2002 adm.pw
-rw-rw-r--    1 list     list      1658521 Jul  6 18:00
heldmsg-test-2.pck
-rw-rw-r--    1 list     list      1658521 Jul  6 18:14
heldmsg-test-3.pck
-rw-rw-r--    1 root     list           10 Jun 27 10:49
last_mailman_version
-rw-rw----    1 list     list            6 Jul  6 17:54
master-qrunner.pid
-rw-rw----    1 list     list          629 Jul  6 18:14 pending.pck
-rw-r--r--    1 root     list        14110 Jun 12 19:11 sitelist.cfg

and I also see files in qfiles/shunt

galileo:/var/lib/mailman# ls -l qfiles/shunt/
total 1628
-rw-rw----    1 list     list          465 Jul  6 18:14
1057527595.853397+c4a366a03d157ce69ec8c6857f88ec45c18eddc7.db
-rw-rw----    1 list     list      1658523 Jul  6 18:14
1057527595.853397+c4a366a03d157ce69ec8c6857f88ec45c18eddc7.pck

I'm running mailman 2.1.2-2 on debian-sarge x86.
The MTA is qmail, which complicates things further...

I've got the following aliases setup for this test list:

.qmail-test
.qmail-test-admin
.qmail-test-bounces
.qmail-test-confirm
.qmail-test-join
.qmail-test-leave
.qmail-test-owner
.qmail-test-request
.qmail-test-subscribe
.qmail-test-unsubscribe

which were made by the script in the documentation.  Mail to the list
works fine, but if it's held for approval I never get the approval
message.

any ideas would be appreciated.
thanks
mh

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From khera at kcilink.com  Mon Jul  7 03:46:42 2003
From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 21:46:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] So far, I'm very disappointed with Mailman
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <16136.53506.825996.128106@yertle.int.kciLink.com>

>>>>> "S" == SysAdmin   writes:

S> Anyone have a better mailing list tool than Mailman that you can
S> recommend? I'd like to have something that I don't have to babysit so
S> much. As much as I hate to do it, I might just have to go back to
S> Majordomo (it has much better documentation, too). Sigh.

I don't baby sit my Mailman.  Ever.  It just runs and runs.  It was
trivial to set up (using the FreeBSD ports for both Mailman and
Postfix).

Lyris was also that way, but it is WAAAAY expensive and really not
worth the money compared with what you can get with Mailman, IMO.
But if you're having trouble setting it up, then perhaps Lyris is
worth a look...

From mort at bork.org  Mon Jul  7 03:59:38 2003
From: mort at bork.org (Martin Hicks)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 21:59:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending requests not being sent out.
In-Reply-To: <20030706223240.GF22928@bork.org>
References: <20030706223240.GF22928@bork.org>
Message-ID: <20030707015938.GJ22928@bork.org>

I meant to mention that I also thought I'd try to unshunt the messages,
and I got the following.  I was thinking that maybe I'm missing a config
file option somewhere....

galileo:/var/lib/mailman/bin# ./unshunt 
galileo:/var/lib/mailman/bin# Jul 06 18:00:26 2003 (14459) Uncaught runner exception: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'errors'
Jul 06 18:00:26 2003 (14459) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose
    more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 181, in process
    MessageTooBig(bodylen, mlist.max_message_size))
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 236, in hold_for_approval
    nmsg = Message.UserNotification(sender, adminaddr, subject, text, lang)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 206, in __init__
    errors='replace')
TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'errors'

Jul 06 18:00:26 2003 (14459) SHUNTING: 1057266419.6515059+023844ebfc7fbd4d7e419c1d5cbe8c16f73c7717
Jul 06 18:00:26 2003 (14459) lost data files for filebase: 1057416089.232456+3cf8b750d17f79a8e2a01c17b859495cce1f3b1f
Jul 06 18:00:27 2003 (14459) Uncaught runner exception: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'errors'
Jul 06 18:00:27 2003 (14459) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose
    more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 181, in process
    MessageTooBig(bodylen, mlist.max_message_size))
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 236, in hold_for_approval
    nmsg = Message.UserNotification(sender, adminaddr, subject, text, lang)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 206, in __init__
    errors='replace')
TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'errors'

Jul 06 18:00:27 2003 (14459) SHUNTING: 1057527595.853397+16a2d336f846ef17e1786ce37e94c51d54d0eb3e

thanks
mh

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From prussell at mteliza.com.au  Mon Jul  7 04:09:04 2003
From: prussell at mteliza.com.au (Peter Russell)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 12:09:04 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 Questions
Message-ID: 

Thanks so much for your reply - that fixed my url problem wonderfully.

Not being much of a Linux guru i didn't really want to patch and hack every
new version available, MM works now, and i don't really want to go breaking
it, which is what is likely to happen if i start trying to upgrade it etc
(it lives at a remote site also). Sendmail is also a relay for a couple of
other machines on the network.  I just thought if sendmail could do
something as useful as this, or if MM could write to the alias file then we
would have a user friendly system, but if we cant then i will get a test
machine going and try your method or get postfix working. I want to keep it
as simple as possible.

To me it seems like, if MM can write to an email and send the new alias
entries, surely it could append a few lines to the aliases file and run the
newalias command? Maybe this is a security concern? So maybe this could be
an at your own risk additional module type thing - seems to be a fairly
massive lacking in MM in my opinion. Means that you MUST have a system
admin handy to create new lists, to ammend the aliases file....

Thanks so much for your help
Pete

                      Richard Barrett                                                                                                   

                      fo.co.uk>                cc:                                                                                      
                                               Subject:  Re: [Mailman-Users] 2 Questions                                                
                      04/07/2003 02:43                                                                                                  
                      AM                                                                                                                

At 02:35 03/07/2003, Peter Russell wrote:
>1. When i setup the mailman box on the private network i used the private
>IP at the hostname etc - now i have gone back in and replaced everywqhere
i
>can find with the FQDN

You should only have had to change, in mm_cfg.py, the applicable MM config
variables described in Defaults.py. Typically something like what follows,
at the end of your mm_cfg.py, will do the trick:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'your.mailhostname.tld'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'your.webhostname.tld'
VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

Having done that, the $prefix/bin/withlist script $prefix/bin/fix_url.py is

your friend. Just run fix_url.py to get its usage.

If you are using the MM pipermail archiver with HTML archives, you might
also need to run $prefix/bin/arch if there is archived email with
attachments that have been extracted with links to the attachments left in
the email. These links seem to have the web_page_url of the list concerned
at the time the email was added to the archive backed in. Running arch
rebuilds these links.

>  - but still in  responses to mailman-request the
>original private IP appears - see below - where exactly can i change this?
>
>The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
>original message.
>
>- Results:
>     help
>     Help for Mailman mailing list:
>
>This is email command help for version 2.1 of the "Mailman"
>list manager.  The following describes commands you can send to get
>information about and control your subscription to Mailman lists at
>this site.  A command can be in the subject line or in the body of the
>message.
>
>Note that much of the following can also be accomplished via the World
>Wide Web, at:
>
>     http://10.1.10.224/mailman/listinfo/mailman
>
>
>2. IS there a way of using the postfix style auto generated and update
>aliases with sendmail? I have postfix on my test machine and it works a
>treat, but i can see no option of doing this with sendmail.

You could take a look at $MMbuild/contrib/mm-handler which is a Sendmail
mailer inplemented in Perl which obviates the need for maintaining the list

aliases but subject to some fairly serious constraints.

There is a Python implementation of a Sendmail mailer with the same
constraints as mm_mailer (which are basically Sendmail constraints) but
which is more closely integrated with MM and which, I believe, is a more
robust solution; being the author of it I would think that. See:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=644810&group_id=103&atid=300103

For preference you should use MM 2.1.2 and download the most recent version

of the patch file which matches your MM version: currently
mailer-2.1.2-0.1.patch.gz

>Many thanks
>Pete
>

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From kgs at bluehighways.com  Mon Jul  7 05:12:34 2003
From: kgs at bluehighways.com (Karen G. Schneider)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 20:12:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] So far, I'm very disappointed with Mailman
In-Reply-To: <16136.53506.825996.128106@yertle.int.kciLink.com>
Message-ID: <007901c34435$9c94d1a0$0200a8c0@TAWANDA>

:S> Anyone have a better mailing list tool than Mailman that you can
:S> recommend? I'd like to have something that I don't have to babysit so
:S> much. As much as I hate to do it, I might just have to go back to
:S> Majordomo (it has much better documentation, too). Sigh.

Is it possible your needs might be better met with an outsourced mailing list solution?
While we have the in-house expertise to manage Mailman, my cost analyses have demonstrated
this is not a good use of our limited programming time.  Perhaps you can find a provider
who offers Mailman at a reasonable rate.

I tested Lyris for a year (outsourced solution, from Sparklist) and I was unimpressed.

Karen G. Schneider

From ed at easent.net  Mon Jul  7 07:14:37 2003
From: ed at easent.net (Ed)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 01:14:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install question
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030707010730.01acfbd8@mail.easent.net>

Hi List,

I have RedHat9,  Postfix 2.0.13, and Mailman 2.1.2 ...  I've installed it 
per all the readme's and I can send mail to the list and receive mail from 
the list.  However !

My server is listx.somedom.tld  and all of my lists [ for now ] will be 
listname at listx.somedom.tld ...

There are A and MX records pointing at this server and they resolve to 
listx.somedom.tld  ...

My problem is that Mailman always responds as and provides a return address 
as  listname [ or command name ] @ somedom.tld ...  It totally ignores the 
"listx"  part of the address ...

I configured it in the mm_cfg.py properly for both the default_url_host and 
default_email host  and it generates the links properly in the emails BUT 
the return address is always wrong !

Help !  It's got to be something simple I'm sure ;-)
TIA
--Ed

____________________________________________________
World-Class Web Hosting and Development
http://www.easent.net 

From manuka at nerdherd.net  Mon Jul  7 07:27:40 2003
From: manuka at nerdherd.net (Ian Beyer)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 00:27:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permissions weirdness?
Message-ID: <3F0904CC.9000704@nerdherd.net>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

I've got postfix/mailman set up on Solaris 9 (after working through the
python issues that related to that), and when I try to create a list, I
get this:

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!
Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
~  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
~    main()
~  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
~    process_request(doc, cgidata)
~  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in
process_request
~    sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
~  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create
~    _update_maps()
~  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 60, in
_update_maps
~    raise RuntimeError, msg % (vcmd, status, errstr)
RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postmap
/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman (status: 1, Not owner)

Now, if I setuid root the postfix stuff, everything is peachy, but this
isn't something I'm particularly keen on doing, for obvious reasons.

I compiled mailman with --with-mail-gid set to the postfix gid, but the
master postfix process runs as root.

Can someone tell me what I screwed up here? Do I need to rebuild with
- --with-mail-gid set to 0? that doesn't sound like something I want to do.

Any help is muchly appreciated.

- -Ian

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From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Mon Jul  7 12:03:43 2003
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 10:03:43 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I check if mailman is handling bounces
	correctly?
Message-ID: <1057575359.6913.13.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org>

How can I check if mailman is habdling bounces correctly? I have an
explicitly set return email address, so that anyone replying to the
mail, would send the mail to a monitored alias. But I also get a lot of
messages saying, undelivered mail etc. How does mailman know that these
messages are bouncing?? Or that these email addresses, are no good?
And how can I check that mailman knows this? About ten% of my list is
bouncing, and I would like to clean that up.

From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Mon Jul  7 12:16:15 2003
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 10:16:15 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I check if mailman is handling bounces
	correctly?
Message-ID: <1057572507.6797.17.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org>

How can I check if mailman is habdling bounces correctly? I have an
explicitly set return email address, so that anyone replying to the
mail, would send the mail to a monitored alias. But I also get a lot of
messages saying, undelivered mail etc. How does mailman know that these
messages are bouncing?? Or that these email addresses, are no good?
And how can I check that mailman knows this? About ten% of my list is
bouncing, and I would like to clean that up.

From guallar at easternrad.com  Mon Jul  7 15:02:57 2003
From: guallar at easternrad.com (Josep L. Guallar-Esteve)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:02:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] So far, I'm very disappointed with Mailman
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <200307070902.57631.guallar@easternrad.com>

On Friday 04 July 2003 10:51 pm, SysAdmin wrote:
> I've had nothing but problems with it. Majordomo sucked, but at least it
> stayed up and running. Mailman's processes are all there, but no messages
> get delivered to the lists 

Do you have a valid question? Or are you just ranting?

If you have a valid question, please provide enough data so we can be of help 
and, together solve the problem. We are no mind readers, just mailman users.

If you are just ranting, please use an appropiate media. I'd recommend you 
/dev/null

> Anyone have a better mailing list tool than Mailman that you can
> recommend? I'd like to have something that I don't have to babysit so
> much. As much as I hate to do it, I might just have to go back to
> Majordomo (it has much better documentation, too). Sigh.

> Bill

Interestingly, I don't babysit my mailman. If you want to go back to 
Majordomo, please do. Although this will not solve your problems with 
mailman.

Regards,
Josep
-- 
Josep L. Guallar-Esteve		Eastern Radiologists, Inc.
Systems and Network Administration  http://www.easternrad.com

From mort at bork.org  Mon Jul  7 15:52:18 2003
From: mort at bork.org (Martin Hicks)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:52:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending requests not being sent out.
In-Reply-To: <20030707015938.GJ22928@bork.org>
References: <20030706223240.GF22928@bork.org> <20030707015938.GJ22928@bork.org>
Message-ID: <20030707135218.GO22928@bork.org>

On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 09:59:38PM -0400, Martin Hicks wrote:
> 
> I meant to mention that I also thought I'd try to unshunt the messages,
> and I got the following.  I was thinking that maybe I'm missing a config
> file option somewhere....
> 

And here's another clue.  The checkdbs command isn't running correctly,
for much the same reason as many other scripts are failing.  Why is
errors= being passed in if it's not a valid function argument?

galileo:/var/qmail/control# /usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs    
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 173, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 114, in main
    mlist.preferred_language)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 206, in __init__
    errors='replace')
TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'errors'

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plato up 26 days, 13:42, 17 users,  load average: 0.24, 0.37, 0.44
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From arturo.puente at arturo-puente.com  Fri Jul  4 02:16:41 2003
From: arturo.puente at arturo-puente.com (Arturo Puente)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 20:16:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] QUestion about the Prefix for Subject Line.
Message-ID: <3F04C769.101@arturo-puente.com>

Good night everyone,

I have a question. It is posible to have a sequential number in the 
prefix for subject line, to  carry the count
of messages sent by the list, so that the members know if they are 
receiving all the messages or miss some?

Best regards,

Arturo Puente

From newbie at onlylinux.homelinux.net  Sat Jul  5 16:59:13 2003
From: newbie at onlylinux.homelinux.net (Newbie)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 16:59:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error creando listas de correo en Mailman 2.1.2-2
Message-ID: <20030705165913.5f46ad0d.newbie@onlylinux.homelinux.net>

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/sbin/newlist", line 226, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/sbin/newlist", line 218, in main
    text, mlist.preferred_language)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 206, in __init__
    errors='replace')
TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'errors'

Puede ver m?s detalles en:

	http://onlylinux.homelinux.net/bugmailman.html

Mailman en Debian 2.4.18 (testing). i686

Gracias

From davis at davisstraub.com  Sun Jul  6 21:49:56 2003
From: davis at davisstraub.com (Davis Straub)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 14:49:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password - mass subscription
Message-ID: <00a601c343f7$caec9030$0100a8c0@inspiron8100>

I mass subscribed 1,500 users from a previous list. Of course there were no passwords and I don't mail out any password reminders, etc.

Now those who wish to unsubscribe can't because they don't have a password.

How do you deal with this?

Davis Straub
http://ozreport.com
Zapata, Texas, USA

From prussell at mteliza.com.au  Mon Jul  7 04:07:14 2003
From: prussell at mteliza.com.au (Peter Russell)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 12:07:14 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 Questions
Message-ID: 

Thanks so much for your reply - that fixed my url problem wonderfully.

Not being much of a Linux guru i didn't really want to patch and hack every
new version available, MM works now, and i don't really want to go breaking
it, which is what is likely to happen if i start trying to upgrade it etc
(it lives at a remote site also). Sendmail is also a relay for a couple of
other machines on the network.  I just thought if sendmail could do
something as useful as this, or if MM could write to the alias file then we
would have a user friendly system, but if we cant then i will get a test
machine going and try your method or get postfix working. I want to keep it
as simple as possible.

To me it seems like, if MM can write to an email and send the new alias
entries, surely it could append a few lines to the aliases file and run the
newalias command? Maybe this is a security concern? So maybe this could be
an at your own risk additional module type thing - seems to be a fairly
massive lacking in MM in my opinion. Means that you MUST have a system
admin handy to create new lists, to ammend the aliases file....

Thanks so much for your help
Pete

                      Richard Barrett                                                                                                   

                      fo.co.uk>                cc:                                                                                      
                                               Subject:  Re: [Mailman-Users] 2 Questions                                                
                      04/07/2003 02:43                                                                                                  
                      AM                                                                                                                

At 02:35 03/07/2003, Peter Russell wrote:
>1. When i setup the mailman box on the private network i used the private
>IP at the hostname etc - now i have gone back in and replaced everywqhere
i
>can find with the FQDN

You should only have had to change, in mm_cfg.py, the applicable MM config
variables described in Defaults.py. Typically something like what follows,
at the end of your mm_cfg.py, will do the trick:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'your.mailhostname.tld'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'your.webhostname.tld'
VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

Having done that, the $prefix/bin/withlist script $prefix/bin/fix_url.py is

your friend. Just run fix_url.py to get its usage.

If you are using the MM pipermail archiver with HTML archives, you might
also need to run $prefix/bin/arch if there is archived email with
attachments that have been extracted with links to the attachments left in
the email. These links seem to have the web_page_url of the list concerned
at the time the email was added to the archive backed in. Running arch
rebuilds these links.

>  - but still in  responses to mailman-request the
>original private IP appears - see below - where exactly can i change this?
>
>The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
>original message.
>
>- Results:
>     help
>     Help for Mailman mailing list:
>
>This is email command help for version 2.1 of the "Mailman"
>list manager.  The following describes commands you can send to get
>information about and control your subscription to Mailman lists at
>this site.  A command can be in the subject line or in the body of the
>message.
>
>Note that much of the following can also be accomplished via the World
>Wide Web, at:
>
>     http://10.1.10.224/mailman/listinfo/mailman
>
>
>2. IS there a way of using the postfix style auto generated and update
>aliases with sendmail? I have postfix on my test machine and it works a
>treat, but i can see no option of doing this with sendmail.

You could take a look at $MMbuild/contrib/mm-handler which is a Sendmail
mailer inplemented in Perl which obviates the need for maintaining the list

aliases but subject to some fairly serious constraints.

There is a Python implementation of a Sendmail mailer with the same
constraints as mm_mailer (which are basically Sendmail constraints) but
which is more closely integrated with MM and which, I believe, is a more
robust solution; being the author of it I would think that. See:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=644810&group_id=103&atid=300103

For preference you should use MM 2.1.2 and download the most recent version

of the patch file which matches your MM version: currently
mailer-2.1.2-0.1.patch.gz

>Many thanks
>Pete
>

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From mcqu0043 at umn.edu  Mon Jul  7 18:28:17 2003
From: mcqu0043 at umn.edu (Duncan McQueen)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:28:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] non-web unsubscribe
Message-ID: <03DCB7D6-B098-11D7-99AC-000A95904DF8@umn.edu>

Is there a way to remove a user from a list without logging onto the 
web-interface?  On our site, the web-server is limited to intranet 
users only, but the list is sent out to people all over the world.  I 
want to automate their removal, but I have tried sending an email 
saying 'unsubscribe [email-address]' and nothing happened.

Thanks,
Duncan McQueen

From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Mon Jul  7 18:42:09 2003
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 19:42:09 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permissions weirdness?
Message-ID: 

At 12:27 AM -0500 2003/07/07, Ian Beyer wrote:

>  Now, if I setuid root the postfix stuff, everything is peachy, but this
>  isn't something I'm particularly keen on doing, for obvious reasons.
>
>  I compiled mailman with --with-mail-gid set to the postfix gid, but the
>  master postfix process runs as root.
>
>  Can someone tell me what I screwed up here? Do I need to rebuild with
>  - --with-mail-gid set to 0? that doesn't sound like something I want to do.

	One of the things we've found with mailman is that it needs to 
run as the "mail" group for your MTA (whatever that is), and it also 
needs to run as the "web" group for your web server.  If they don't 
run as the same group, you've got a problem.  If you've got one or 
the other chroot'ed, this makes things even more "interesting".

	We ended up building and installing two copies of mailman -- one 
with the same group as our MTA (outside of the chroot), and one that 
runs as the same group as our web server (inside the chroot).  Pretty 
much totally invalidates the purpose of the chroot, but we couldn't 
get anything else to work.

	We just make sure that the paths, etc... are set so that the 
web-group version of mailman is what gets called by apache, and the 
mail-group version of mailman is what gets called by postfix.

-- 
======================================================================
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Mon Jul  7 18:50:47 2003
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 19:50:47 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] non-web unsubscribe
In-Reply-To: <03DCB7D6-B098-11D7-99AC-000A95904DF8@umn.edu>
References: <03DCB7D6-B098-11D7-99AC-000A95904DF8@umn.edu>
Message-ID: 

At 11:28 AM -0500 2003/07/07, Duncan McQueen wrote:

>  Is there a way to remove a user from a list without logging onto
>  the web-interface?  On our site, the web-server is limited to
>  intranet users only, but the list is sent out to people all over
>  the world.  I want to automate their removal, but I have tried
>  sending an email saying 'unsubscribe [email-address]' and nothing
>  happened.

	I don't understand why you'd restrict your web access to 
intranet-only users while allowing your mailing list to be 
distributed globally.  IMO, they should both be available only to the 
same sets of users.

	Nevertheless, mailman does have an e-mail interface.  For 
example, if you create a new list called "spork", you'll get an 
e-mail message like this telling you to create certain aliases:

The mailing list `spork' has been created via the through-the-web
interface.  In order to complete the activation of this mailing list, the
proper /etc/aliases (or equivalent) file must be updated.  The program
`newaliases' may also have to be run.

Here are the entries for the /etc/aliases file:

spork:              "|/usr/local/mail/mailman post spork"
spork-admin:        "|/usr/local/mail/mailman admin spork"
spork-bounces:      "|/usr/local/mail/mailman bounces spork"
spork-confirm:      "|/usr/local/mail/mailman confirm spork"
spork-join:         "|/usr/local/mail/mailman join spork"
spork-leave:        "|/usr/local/mail/mailman leave spork"
spork-owner:        "|/usr/local/mail/mailman owner spork"
spork-request:      "|/usr/local/mail/mailman request spork"
spork-subscribe:    "|/usr/local/mail/mailman subscribe spork"
spork-unsubscribe:  "|/usr/local/mail/mailman unsubscribe spork"

	All you have to do is send e-mail to the appropriate address, and 
the appropriate action should be taken.  For 
subscription/unsubscriptions, the recipient can send e-mail to the 
appropriate address, and then correctly respond to any confirmation 
notice that may be sent out.

-- 
======================================================================
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Mon Jul  7 18:46:30 2003
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 19:46:30 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password - mass subscription
In-Reply-To: <00a601c343f7$caec9030$0100a8c0@inspiron8100>
References: <00a601c343f7$caec9030$0100a8c0@inspiron8100>
Message-ID: 

At 2:49 PM -0500 2003/07/06, Davis Straub wrote:

>  I mass subscribed 1,500 users from a previous list. Of course there were
>  no passwords and I don't mail out any password reminders, etc.
>
>  Now those who wish to unsubscribe can't because they don't have a password.

	They can log into the web page and ask to have their passwords 
e-mailed to them.

	Or, you can continue to manage all this for everyone.

-- 
======================================================================
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

From dan at dpcsys.com  Mon Jul  7 19:31:35 2003
From: dan at dpcsys.com (Dan Busarow)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 10:31:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bulk deletion of pending requests
In-Reply-To: <199911101927.NAA11036@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: 

I've kept this little bit of python handy for cleaning out posts
in moderated lists that end up with too many posts to handle manually.

>    > python -i $prefix/bin/withlist -l [listname]
>    >>> m.requests={}
>    >>> m.Save()
>    >>> ^D
> 
> That will clear out all pending administrative requests.
> 
> NOTE:  ^D is in fact [CTRL]-D.  Be very, very careful...

This is no longer working for me.  No idea when it stopped working
since it is not used very often. When I run it I get

$ python -i `pwd`/bin/withlist -l faucettalk
Loading list: faucettalk (locked)
>>> m.requests={}
>>> m.Save()
>>>
Unlocking (but not saving) list: faucettalk
Finalizing
$

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks,
Dan
-- 
 Dan Busarow                                                  949 443 4172
 Dana Point Communications, Inc.                            dan at dpcsys.com
 Dana Point, California  83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4   8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82

From gaf at blu.org  Mon Jul  7 20:08:42 2003
From: gaf at blu.org (Jerry Feldman)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 14:08:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bulk deletion of pending requests
In-Reply-To: 
References: <199911101927.NAA11036@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

Message-ID: <20030707140842.59788db0.gaf@blu.org>

On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 10:31:35 -0700 (PDT)
Dan Busarow  wrote:

> This is no longer working for me.  No idea when it stopped working
> since it is not used very often. When I run it I get
I use the following script. I think I found it on the mailman faq or
posted to this list. Note that I use a pre-made empty request.db. I was
getting over 100 requests a day on one of my lists. 
------------------------
#!/bin/bash
# usage remove_held 
# removes held messages
RM=/bin/rm
if [ $# != 1 ]
then
        echo "usage: $0 "
        exit -1
fi
LISTNAME=$1
EMPTY=~mailman/data/request.db.empty
HELD=~mailman/data/heldmsg-$LISTNAME
TARGET=~mailman/lists/$LISTNAME
if [ ! -e $EMPTY ]
then
        echo "$EMPTY not found"
        exit -1
fi
if [ ! -d $TARGET ]
then
        echo "$TARGET not found"
        exit -1
fi
$RM -fv $HELD*
cp $EMPTY $TARGET/request.db
exit 0
----------------------------------

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From dan at dpcsys.com  Mon Jul  7 20:53:04 2003
From: dan at dpcsys.com (Dan Busarow)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:53:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bulk deletion of pending requests
In-Reply-To: <20030707140842.59788db0.gaf@blu.org>
Message-ID: 

Worked like a charm.  Hadn't noticed that request.db was a separate
file.

Thanks,
Dan
-- 
 Dan Busarow                                                  949 443 4172
 Dana Point Communications, Inc.                            dan at dpcsys.com
 Dana Point, California  83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4   8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82

From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon Jul  7 21:53:28 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 20:53:28 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install question
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030707010730.01acfbd8@mail.easent.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030707205151.00ae9e38@mail.openinfo.co.uk>

At 06:14 07/07/2003, Ed wrote:
>Hi List,
>
>I have RedHat9,  Postfix 2.0.13, and Mailman 2.1.2 ...  I've installed it 
>per all the readme's and I can send mail to the list and receive mail from 
>the list.  However !
>
>My server is listx.somedom.tld  and all of my lists [ for now ] will be 
>listname at listx.somedom.tld ...
>
>There are A and MX records pointing at this server and they resolve to 
>listx.somedom.tld  ...
>
>My problem is that Mailman always responds as and provides a return 
>address as  listname [ or command name ] @ somedom.tld ...  It totally 
>ignores the "listx"  part of the address ...
>
>I configured it in the mm_cfg.py properly for both the default_url_host 
>and default_email host  and it generates the links properly in the emails 
>BUT the return address is always wrong !
>
>Help !  It's got to be something simple I'm sure ;-)
>TIA
>--Ed
>

This may help:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

>____________________________________________________
>World-Class Web Hosting and Development
>http://www.easent.net

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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon Jul  7 21:59:08 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 20:59:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending requests not being sent out.
In-Reply-To: <20030707135218.GO22928@bork.org>
References: <20030707015938.GJ22928@bork.org> <20030706223240.GF22928@bork.org>
	<20030707015938.GJ22928@bork.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030707205837.040c4a58@mail.openinfo.co.uk>

At 14:52 07/07/2003, Martin Hicks wrote:

>On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 09:59:38PM -0400, Martin Hicks wrote:
> >
> > I meant to mention that I also thought I'd try to unshunt the messages,
> > and I got the following.  I was thinking that maybe I'm missing a config
> > file option somewhere....
> >
>
>And here's another clue.  The checkdbs command isn't running correctly,
>for much the same reason as many other scripts are failing.  Why is
>errors= being passed in if it's not a valid function argument?
>
>galileo:/var/qmail/control# /usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 173, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 114, in main
>     mlist.preferred_language)
>   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 206, in __init__
>     errors='replace')
>TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'errors'
>
>
>--
>Martin Hicks  ||  mort at bork.org  || PGP/GnuPG: 0x4C7F2BEE
>plato up 26 days, 13:42, 17 users,  load average: 0.24, 0.37, 0.44
>Great Spirits have always encountered opposition from mediocre minds
>                                                 -Albert Einstein

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers at python.org/msg06122.html may 
be relevant

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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon Jul  7 22:01:30 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 21:01:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgraded to 2.1.2, old lists work, new do
  not
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030705234100.009ec150@mail.scottbrown.us>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030707210038.040c4a58@mail.openinfo.co.uk>

At 07:45 06/07/2003, Scott Brown wrote:
>The question is mainly in the subject, but I will re-say it.
>  The group I am with has a dedicated server that comes with Mailman, 
> version 2.0.3. I downloaded 2.1.2 and installed it to the directory that 
> 2.0.3 was in. Install went fine. When I go to the control panel for the 
> pre-2.1.2 lists everything works. However, when I go to the control panel 
> for the new lists I made I get page can not be displayed errors and the 
> links are all screwed up. Instead of being: 
> mydomain.com/mailman/whatever, I get 
> servername.hostingcompany.com/mailman/whatever.
>
>Is there a config file we can change that with?
>
>Scott

This may help:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon Jul  7 22:32:54 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 21:32:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error creando listas de correo en Mailman 2.1.2-2
In-Reply-To: <20030705165913.5f46ad0d.newbie@onlylinux.homelinux.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030707213142.040c4a58@mail.openinfo.co.uk>

At 15:59 05/07/2003, Newbie wrote:
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/sbin/newlist", line 226, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/usr/sbin/newlist", line 218, in main
>     text, mlist.preferred_language)
>   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 206, in __init__
>     errors='replace')
>TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'errors'
>
>
>Puede ver m?s detalles en:
>
>         http://onlylinux.homelinux.net/bugmailman.html
>
>Mailman en Debian 2.4.18 (testing). i686
>
>Gracias

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers at python.org/msg06122.html may 
be relevant

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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon Jul  7 22:34:25 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 21:34:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I check if mailman is handling
	bounces correctly?
In-Reply-To: <1057575359.6913.13.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030707210736.040c5f08@mail.openinfo.co.uk>

At 11:55 07/07/2003, Angel Gabriel wrote:
>How can I check if mailman is habdling bounces correctly? I have an
>explicitly set return email address, so that anyone replying to the
>mail, would send the mail to a monitored alias. But I also get a lot of
>messages saying, undelivered mail etc. How does mailman know that these
>messages are bouncing??

Per RFC 2821, well behaved Mail Agents, send bounce messages back to the 
 From address of the envelope not to any of the headers of the message 
being bounced.

In the case of MM 2.1.x the From address of the envelope is 
-bounces at youremaildomain.tld In MM 2.0.13 it was the 
-admin alias if I remember correctly.

Essentially, it is irrelevant what the Reply-to: header is on the outgoing 
messages from your lists.

>Or that these email addresses, are no good?

Mailman receives bounce messages from Mail Agents that are reporting they 
are unable to deliver mail that MM has sent out. Mailman's bounce handlers 
analyses such a message to determine which address it sent the original 
message to. If it succeeds in identifying the address whose delivery failed 
it records the information against the address and eventually, depending on 
the list bounce criteria, disables the address concerned.

>And how can I check that mailman knows this?

You can take a look at the bounce logs to see what MM is doing. Tyr sneding 
a message to the address concerened yourself.

But bear in mind that you can set the criteria, on a per-list basis, which 
MM uses to decide on how to act when it gets bounces. This allows 
flexibility in coping with failures in mail delivery which may change over 
time; for instance a Mail server going off-line for a prolonged period and 
then coming back.

>About ten% of my list is
>bouncing, and I would like to clean that up.

Essentially, Mailman will clean up by disabling bouncing addresses. Once in 
a while you can go through and delete the disabled addresses form the wbe 
admin GUI, or re-enable them

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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon Jul  7 22:37:45 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 21:37:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] get the list of publicly archived lists
In-Reply-To: <20030705164258.GC996@freesources.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030707213604.040c16a8@mail.openinfo.co.uk>

At 17:42 05/07/2003, Jonas Meurer wrote:
>hi, is there any way to get the lists that are hosted by local mailman
>and archived publicly? list_lists -a shows the lists that are showed on
>the official list.

The following command should to it:

ls -1 $prefix/archives/public | grep -v .mbox

>bye
>  mejo
>
>--
>Efficiency and progess is ours one more
>Now that we have the Neutron bomb
>It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
>Kill kill kill kill kill the poor tonight

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From greg at solution-link.com  Mon Jul  7 23:05:35 2003
From: greg at solution-link.com (greg at solution-link.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:05:35 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <00ea01c344cb$844a0840$0301a8c0@solutionlink.com.solutionlink.com>

 Hi 
    I just converted MTA to postfix now I'm getting this error when a list is sent to any suggestion how to fix. Pleas be detailed if you could.....I'm not the regular tech on this one.......its holiday time

Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.whateverdomain.com
Arrival-Date: Mon,  7 Jul 2003 13:26:40 -0600 (CST)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; stcinc at whateverdomain.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 2:
    "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post stcinc". Command output: Failure to exec
    script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)

From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon Jul  7 23:23:20 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 22:23:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <00ea01c344cb$844a0840$0301a8c0@solutionlink.com.solutionli
	nk.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030707222052.03baf5f0@mail.openinfo.co.uk>

At 22:05 07/07/2003, greg at solution-link.com wrote:
>  Hi
>     I just converted MTA to postfix now I'm getting this error when a 
> list is sent to any suggestion how to fix. Pleas be detailed if you 
> could.....I'm not the regular tech on this one.......its holiday time
>
>Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.whateverdomain.com
>Arrival-Date: Mon,  7 Jul 2003 13:26:40 -0600 (CST)
>
>Final-Recipient: rfc822; stcinc at whateverdomain.com
>Action: failed
>Status: 5.0.0
>Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 2:
>     "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post stcinc". Command output: Failure to exec
>     script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)

The INSTALL file for Mailman contains the following:

2. Running configure

     TAKE SPECIAL NOTE OF THE --with-mail-gid AND --with-cgi-gid
     OPTIONS BELOW.  YOU WILL PROBABLY NEED TO USE THESE!

......

       --with-mail-gid=
             Specify an alternative group for running scripts via the
             mail wrapper.   can be a list of one or
             more integer group ids or symbolic group names.  The first
             value in the list that resolves to an existing group is
             used.  By default, the value is the list
             `mailman other mail daemon'.

             This is highly system dependent and you must get this
             right, because the group id is compiled into the mail
             wrapper program for added security.  On systems using
             sendmail, the sendmail.cf configuration file designates
             the group id of sendmail processes using the "DefaultUser"
             option.  (If commented out, it still may be indicating the
             default...)

             Check your MTA's documentation and configuration files to
             find the right value for this switch.
......

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From jpbuse at lambesis.com  Tue Jul  8 00:11:32 2003
From: jpbuse at lambesis.com (Jason Buscema)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:11:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not being sent
Message-ID: 

I am running 2.1-8 on a newly installed Red Hat 9 machine. I setup my list
and sent a test email to it and I can see that the wrapper kicks in, but
no messages are delivered to any users and no messages are pending admin
tasks. The cron tasks appear to be setup correctly by default. Any ideas?

My setup:
Red Hat 9
sendmail-8.12.8-5.90
mailman-2.1-8

From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Tue Jul  8 00:22:12 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:22:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not being sent
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20030707222212.GM2334@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Jason Buscema wrote:
> I am running 2.1-8 on a newly installed Red Hat 9 machine.

The rpm shipped with Red Hat 9 is broken.  Search the archives and find many
posts about this and the solution.

- -- 
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From manuka at nerdherd.net  Tue Jul  8 02:56:13 2003
From: manuka at nerdherd.net (Ian Beyer)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 19:56:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permissions weirdness?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <3F0A16AD.6000400@nerdherd.net>

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Brad Knowles wrote:

| At 12:27 AM -0500 2003/07/07, Ian Beyer wrote:
|
|>  Now, if I setuid root the postfix stuff, everything is peachy, but this
|>  isn't something I'm particularly keen on doing, for obvious reasons.
|>
|>  I compiled mailman with --with-mail-gid set to the postfix gid, but the
|>  master postfix process runs as root.
|>
|>  Can someone tell me what I screwed up here? Do I need to rebuild with
|>  - --with-mail-gid set to 0? that doesn't sound like something I want
|> to do.
|
|
|     One of the things we've found with mailman is that it needs to run
| as the "mail" group for your MTA (whatever that is), and it also needs
| to run as the "web" group for your web server.  If they don't run as the
| same group, you've got a problem.  If you've got one or the other
| chroot'ed, this makes things even more "interesting".

Hrmm... I'm not quite sure why I (or anyone) would be running both mail
and web servers as the same group, unless it was root.

I thought alleviating that was the whole point of the --with-mail-gid
and --with-cgi-gid flags at configure time.

- -Ian

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From dreamboy at aros.net  Mon Jul  7 20:20:29 2003
From: dreamboy at aros.net (Devin)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 18:20:29 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripping Header from post?
Message-ID: <1057602019.18243.19.camel@dreamboy.private.aros.net>

Myself and the other administrator that I've set up for this list have
decided to make it members only, and have those members posts be
anonymous. While I've found in the settings where to make the mail look
like it's just coming from the list admin rather then "on behalf of..."
the header still lists who the mail was from. Here's an example:

It appears when you look at the header it still shows "(envelope-from
name at domain.com), Is there a way so it doesn't show the envelope-from
in the header?)

Any response would greatly be appreciated. We are currently using
Mailman 2.0.13.

An example of the header shows:

Return-Path: 
Received: from phobos.aros.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by localhost (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h61JJ36s020812
 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:19:03 -0600 (MDT)
 (envelope-from theloosescrew-list-admin at aros.net)
Received: from mail1.microsoft.com (mail1.microsoft.com [131.107.3.125])
 by phobos.aros.net (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h61JIo6s020640
 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:18:50 -0600 (MDT)
 (envelope-from swynn at microsoft.com)
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From greg at whatevercomputes.com  Mon Jul  7 22:49:44 2003
From: greg at whatevercomputes.com (greg at whatevercomputes.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 14:49:44 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <009601c344c9$4d5c0f60$0301a8c0@solutionlink.com.solutionlink.com>

    Hi 
    I just converted MTA to postfix now I'm getting this error when a list is sent to any suggestion how to fix. Pleas be detailed if you could.....I'm not the regular tech on this one.......its holiday time

Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.whateverdomain.com
Arrival-Date: Mon,  7 Jul 2003 13:26:40 -0600 (CST)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; stcinc at whateverdomain.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 2:
    "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post stcinc". Command output: Failure to exec
    script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)

From prussell at mteliza.com.au  Tue Jul  8 07:19:10 2003
From: prussell at mteliza.com.au (Peter Russell)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:19:10 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not being sent
Message-ID: 

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=89695
the above link is to the bug fix, you need to change the group and user in
mm_cfg.py both to 'mailman'

Good luck
Pete

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I am running 2.1-8 on a newly installed Red Hat 9 machine. I setup my list
and sent a test email to it and I can see that the wrapper kicks in, but
no messages are delivered to any users and no messages are pending admin
tasks. The cron tasks appear to be setup correctly by default. Any ideas?

My setup:
Red Hat 9
sendmail-8.12.8-5.90
mailman-2.1-8

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From prussell at mteliza.com.au  Tue Jul  8 07:25:18 2003
From: prussell at mteliza.com.au (Peter Russell)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:25:18 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable Archives
Message-ID: 

Hi there, i want to add the searchable archives interface that the7y have
at www.list.org. I have found in the FAQ some links to various patches etc
- but to be honest there are so many i havent a clue as to which one i
need, or whihc need to be applied first before installing the searchable
patch.

Does anyone know of a tutorial or easy 1, 2, 3 guide to getting this
working on default Red Hat 9/Mailman machines? I dont ev en know what
version of mailman it is, it says 2.1 on the admin webpage, but no other
details.

Kind regards and thanks
Pete

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Jul  8 14:27:43 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:27:43 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable Archives
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1057667256.2658.4.camel@Anncons4>

On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 01:25, Peter Russell wrote:
> Hi there, i want to add the searchable archives interface that the7y have
> at www.list.org. I have found in the FAQ some links to various patches etc
> - but to be honest there are so many i havent a clue as to which one i
> need, or whihc need to be applied first before installing the searchable
> patch.
> 
> Does anyone know of a tutorial or easy 1, 2, 3 guide to getting this
> working on default Red Hat 9/Mailman machines? I dont ev en know what
> version of mailman it is, it says 2.1 on the admin webpage, but no other
> details.
> 
> Kind regards and thanks
> Pete

Looks like they are using Mhonarc as the archiver, and htdig as the
search engine. The FAQ has an overview of using Mhonarc with Mailman.
Mhonarc's docs are also very good.

You would use Mhonarc to replace Pipermail (the simple default archiver
that ships with Mailman). The integration of HTDig with Mhonarch is
documented on the Mhonarc site and the HTDig site.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Jul  8 14:31:27 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:31:27 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripping Header from post?
In-Reply-To: <1057602019.18243.19.camel@dreamboy.private.aros.net>
References: <1057602019.18243.19.camel@dreamboy.private.aros.net>
Message-ID: <1057667482.2658.8.camel@Anncons4>

Use procmail as a preprocessor and the formail utility to strip out the
headers and replace them with more generic ones.

You could also write your own milter (something well worth doing - even
if just once)... milter = mail + filter

Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 14:20, Devin wrote:
> Myself and the other administrator that I've set up for this list have
> decided to make it members only, and have those members posts be
> anonymous. While I've found in the settings where to make the mail look
> like it's just coming from the list admin rather then "on behalf of..."
> the header still lists who the mail was from. Here's an example:
> 
> It appears when you look at the header it still shows "(envelope-from
> name at domain.com), Is there a way so it doesn't show the envelope-from
> in the header?)
> 
> Any response would greatly be appreciated. We are currently using
> Mailman 2.0.13.
> 
> An example of the header shows:
>  
> Return-Path: 
> Received: from phobos.aros.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])
>  by localhost (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h61JJ36s020812
>  for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:19:03 -0600 (MDT)
>  (envelope-from theloosescrew-list-admin at aros.net)
> Received: from mail1.microsoft.com (mail1.microsoft.com [131.107.3.125])
>  by phobos.aros.net (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h61JIo6s020640
>  for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:18:50 -0600 (MDT)
>  (envelope-from swynn at microsoft.com)
> Received: from inet-vrs-01.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.8.27]) by
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From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Jul  8 15:48:15 2003
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 09:48:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] strange behavior with
	EXTERNAL_PUBLIC_ARCHIVER 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jonas Meurer  of "Sat,
	28 Jun 2003 18:16:55 +0200." <20030628161655.GP1205@freesources.org> 
References: <20030628161655.GP1205@freesources.org> 
Message-ID: <19754.1057672095@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:16:55 +0200 
Jonas Meurer  wrote:

> why does user list member different lists in the two cases? same uid,
> same gid, only the lists it members are different.

Because Mailman is run by a server which was started as root and which
then setuid'ed down to a lower privilege level.

You need to fully understand how Unix UIDs are managed for processes.  I
recommend any of the standard security tracts on why services that run
as root and then setuid to something less privileged are less secure
than those that start at the lower security setting.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Jul  8 15:50:43 2003
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 09:50:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] strange behavior with
	EXTERNAL_PUBLIC_ARCHIVER 
In-Reply-To: Message from J C Lawrence  
	of "Tue, 08 Jul 2003 09:48:15 EDT." <19754.1057672095@kanga.nu> 
References: <20030628161655.GP1205@freesources.org>
	<19754.1057672095@kanga.nu> 
Message-ID: <19883.1057672243@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 09:48:15 -0400 
J C Lawrence  wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:16:55 +0200 Jonas Meurer
>  wrote:

>> why does user list member different lists in the two cases? same uid,
>> same gid, only the lists it members are different.

> Because Mailman is run by a server which was started as root and which
> then setuid'ed down to a lower privilege level.

Uhh, I should have read more carefully.  My error, I was wrong.

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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jul  8 09:44:50 2003
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:44:50 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripping Header from post?
Message-ID: 

At 12:20 PM -0600 2003/07/07, Devin wrote:

>  It appears when you look at the header it still shows "(envelope-from
>  name at domain.com), Is there a way so it doesn't show the envelope-from
>  in the header?)

	Nope.  This information is put on the "Received:" headers by the 
receiving MTA.

	Because this is put on by their machine and not yours, there's 
nothing you can do about this unless you can find some way to get 
mailman or the message submission process to change the envelope 
sender address that you're using.

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jul  8 09:46:18 2003
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:46:18 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable Archives
Message-ID: 

At 3:25 PM +1000 2003/07/08, Peter Russell wrote:

>  Hi there, i want to add the searchable archives interface that the7y have
>  at www.list.org. I have found in the FAQ some links to various patches etc
>  - but to be honest there are so many i havent a clue as to which one i
>  need, or whihc need to be applied first before installing the searchable
>  patch.

	If you install mailman 2.1.2 (as downloaded from the list.org 
pages), then this will happen automatically when you create the list. 
You just need to tell the system when you create the list that you 
want an archive to also be created.  Or, you can go back and add an 
archive to an existing mailman list.

>  Does anyone know of a tutorial or easy 1, 2, 3 guide to getting this
>  working on default Red Hat 9/Mailman machines? I dont ev en know what
>  version of mailman it is, it says 2.1 on the admin webpage, but no other
>  details.

	Ahh, that's the hard part.  I understand that Red Hat screwed up 
the RPM.  I'd suggest that Red Hat, or mailing lists related to Red 
Hat support, are your best bet for help in this situation.

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)

From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jul  8 09:46:49 2003
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:46:49 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permissions weirdness?
Message-ID: 

At 7:56 PM -0500 2003/07/07, Ian Beyer wrote:

>  Hrmm... I'm not quite sure why I (or anyone) would be running both mail
>  and web servers as the same group, unless it was root.

	It does tend to hamstring you, yes.  That's why we installed two 
copies of mailman, with different compiled-in groups.

>  I thought alleviating that was the whole point of the --with-mail-gid
>  and --with-cgi-gid flags at configure time.

	Could be.  Doesn't seem to work for us.

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)

From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jul  8 17:26:50 2003
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:26:50 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripping Header from post?
In-Reply-To: <1057667482.2658.8.camel@Anncons4>
References: <1057602019.18243.19.camel@dreamboy.private.aros.net>
	<1057667482.2658.8.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: 

At 8:31 AM -0400 2003/07/08, Jon Carnes wrote:

>  Use procmail as a preprocessor and the formail utility to strip out the
>  headers and replace them with more generic ones.

	That only works for the headers on input.  This is a case of 
headers being generated on output, and being placed there by the next 
system down the line (which they don't control).  They need to fix 
their system so that it uses a single anonymized envelope sender 
address, and then the problem will fix itself.

>  You could also write your own milter (something well worth doing - even
>  if just once)... milter = mail + filter

	You can do these sorts of things in either sendmail or postfix, 
and perhaps in other MTAs as well.  However, "milter" is a 
terminology specific to sendmail.  It has not been ported to any 
other MTA I know of, although it was contributed by a source outside 
of the Sendmail Consortium.

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)

From starsuzanne at earthlink.net  Tue Jul  8 09:26:38 2003
From: starsuzanne at earthlink.net (starsuzanne at earthlink.net)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 00:26:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Kinds of Mailing Lists
Message-ID: 

Hi there,
Is there an option to use the mailing list as an announcement list only so
that only the administrator can post messages?
Thanks for the help.

From ripoll33 at cfl.rr.com  Tue Jul  8 14:26:43 2003
From: ripoll33 at cfl.rr.com (emilio)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:26:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how many mb i can send and resive
Message-ID: <000801c3454c$31bc9760$6401a8c0@owner>

I am stock with 2mb,help

From boringbr at xprt.net  Tue Jul  8 18:32:20 2003
From: boringbr at xprt.net (Scott Brown)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 09:32:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Keeps on resetting back to 2.0.13
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030708093055.009d16b0@mail.scottbrown.us>

Hello,
  I've updated Mailman to 2.1.2, everything works, then I check back a 
little later and its 2.0.13 again!! Did I do something wrong on the 
install? -Scott

From clamor at fafalter.de  Tue Jul  8 18:55:55 2003
From: clamor at fafalter.de (Bories v. dem Bussche)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 18:55:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] modify To: line generation (Mailman 2.1.2)
Message-ID: 

Hi,

Id like to modify the To: line generation, so that it only shows the 
email address and not the real name of the recipient any more.

I've looked through the code, but I didn't find where to start. Any hints?

Thanks
Bories v. dem Bussche

From rob at regionalhelpwanted.com  Tue Jul  8 19:39:42 2003
From: rob at regionalhelpwanted.com (Rob Eckerson)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:39:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer
Message-ID: <00e101c34577$e9dff820$8d01a8c0@KimJ>

How do I attach a footer containing the email address of the receipient to all of my pages?

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Jul  8 19:44:16 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 17:44:16 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripping Header from post?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1057602019.18243.19.camel@dreamboy.private.aros.net>
	<1057667482.2658.8.camel@Anncons4>

Message-ID: <1057686252.2658.43.camel@Anncons4>

On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 11:26, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 8:31 AM -0400 2003/07/08, Jon Carnes wrote:
> 
> >  Use procmail as a preprocessor and the formail utility to strip out the
> >  headers and replace them with more generic ones.
> 
> 	That only works for the headers on input.  This is a case of 
> headers being generated on output, and being placed there by the next 
> system down the line (which they don't control).  They need to fix 
> their system so that it uses a single anonymized envelope sender 
> address, and then the problem will fix itself.
> 
The problem as stated was to anonymize the mail - remove the identity of
the original sender and replace it with an anonymous one. Intercepting
the incoming mail and replacing the original headers with generic ones
does just that.

From sadams at slimdevices.com  Tue Jul  8 22:44:27 2003
From: sadams at slimdevices.com (Sean Adams)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:44:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Displaying # of msgs in the archive TOC
Message-ID: 

I'm setting up a new mailman server, and I thought a nice touch would 
be to show the number of messages for each month in the archive index.

I see that there is a %(size)s template variable when viewing the 
index, but it does not apply in the TOC. Can anyone suggest a quick 
hack for a non-python-speaker who's new to this code?

thanks,
Sean

From sadams at slimdevices.com  Wed Jul  9 01:05:33 2003
From: sadams at slimdevices.com (Sean Adams)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:05:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Displaying # of msgs in the archive TOC
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Here's an utterly filthy perl hack to go back and put the numbers in  
after the archives are generated:
Don't have time to learn python right now. :)

Just put [n_%(archive)s] in the archtocentry.html template where you  
want it to appear, then call this script at the end of bin/arch.

#!/usr/bin/perl

$base = "/YOUR_MAILMAN_BASE_DIR/archives/public";

$v=1;

opendir BASEDIR, $base;
foreach $list (sort(readdir(BASEDIR))) {
         $list=~/^\./ && next;
         -d"$base/$list" || next;
         $list=~/\.mbox$/ && next;

         $v && print "$list\n";
         %n=();
         opendir LISTDIR, "$base/$list";
         foreach $month (sort(readdir(LISTDIR))) {
                 $month=~/^\d+\-\w+$/ || next;

                 open MONTHINDEX, "$base/$list/$month/date.html";
                 while ($line=) {
                         if ($line=~/Messages:<\/b>\s*(\d+)/) {
                                 $n{$month}=$1;
                                 break;
                         }
                 }

                 $v && print "\t$month\t$n{$month}\n";

         }

         open TOC, "$base/$list/index.html";
         $toc=join('',);
         foreach $month (keys(%n)) {
                 $toc=~s/\[n_$month\]/$n{$month}/g;
         }
         open TOC, ">$base/$list/index.html";
         print TOC $toc;
}

On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 01:44 PM, Sean Adams wrote:

>
> I'm setting up a new mailman server, and I thought a nice touch would  
> be to show the number of messages for each month in the archive index.
>
> I see that there is a %(size)s template variable when viewing the  
> index, but it does not apply in the TOC. Can anyone suggest a quick  
> hack for a non-python-speaker who's new to this code?
>
> thanks,
> Sean
>
>
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From boringbr at xprt.net  Wed Jul  9 02:48:36 2003
From: boringbr at xprt.net (Scott Brown)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 17:48:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] More pipermail problems
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030708174807.009edc10@mail.scottbrown.us>

For some reason in the mailman control panel of version 2.1.2, when I click 
on the mail archives section, it has me going to a dead hostname. Not my 
current hostname, but an old one. I have reinstalled mailman, still no fix.
Any ideas of how to make it show the right hostname?

Scott 

From prussell at mteliza.com.au  Wed Jul  9 03:59:54 2003
From: prussell at mteliza.com.au (Peter Russell)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:59:54 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable Archives
Message-ID: 

Thanks - but maybe i wasnt clear - I meant i wanted to create the SEARCH
feature - i can create the archives easy enough, but i wanted the same
search funciton used by list.org - i tried using the lates version 2.1.2
and compiled it on mandrake, but it doesnt have that feaute 'out of the
box'

Pete

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|         |           Sent by:                                     |
|         |           mailman-users-bounces+prussell=mteliza.com.au|
|         |           @python.org                                  |
|         |                                                        |
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|         |                                                        |
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  |       cc:                                                                                     |
  |       Subject:  Re: [Mailman-Users] Searchable Archives                                       |
  >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|

At 3:25 PM +1000 2003/07/08, Peter Russell wrote:

>  Hi there, i want to add the searchable archives interface that the7y
have
>  at www.list.org. I have found in the FAQ some links to various patches
etc
>  - but to be honest there are so many i havent a clue as to which one i
>  need, or whihc need to be applied first before installing the searchable
>  patch.

             If you install mailman 2.1.2 (as downloaded from the list.org
pages), then this will happen automatically when you create the list.
You just need to tell the system when you create the list that you
want an archive to also be created.  Or, you can go back and add an
archive to an existing mailman list.

>  Does anyone know of a tutorial or easy 1, 2, 3 guide to getting this
>  working on default Red Hat 9/Mailman machines? I dont ev en know what
>  version of mailman it is, it says 2.1 on the admin webpage, but no other
>  details.

             Ahh, that's the hard part.  I understand that Red Hat screwed
up
the RPM.  I'd suggest that Red Hat, or mailing lists related to Red
Hat support, are your best bet for help in this situation.

--
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--)
N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++)
R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)

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From prussell at mteliza.com.au  Wed Jul  9 04:04:46 2003
From: prussell at mteliza.com.au (Peter Russell)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:04:46 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] More pipermail problems
Message-ID: 

You must specify the url in the archive options page
Pete

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  >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|

For some reason in the mailman control panel of version 2.1.2, when I click

on the mail archives section, it has me going to a dead hostname. Not my
current hostname, but an old one. I have reinstalled mailman, still no fix.
Any ideas of how to make it show the right hostname?

Scott

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From a.carter at cordis.lu  Wed Jul  9 11:09:44 2003
From: a.carter at cordis.lu (CARTER Anthony)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:09:44 +0200 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timezone for archives
Message-ID: 

Hi,

Trying to figure out how to change the timezone for mailman. In the
archives, it is WET, but I would like CET. Can anyone help me. This is quite
urgent at the moment...

Thanks,
Anthony Carter

From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed Jul  9 11:50:22 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 10:50:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timezone for archives
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030709101633.00ae59d0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 10:09 09/07/2003, CARTER Anthony wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Trying to figure out how to change the timezone for mailman. In the
>archives, it is WET, but I would like CET. Can anyone help me. This is quite
>urgent at the moment.

This is taken from the timezone setting on the machine hosting Mailman. 
Change that and you will change the pipermail archives although you 
probably have to use $prefix/bin/arch to rebuild the HTML archive pages. 
Other than that you will have to hack MM's code.

I do not know what problem you are trying to solve but note that there is a 
patch for MM 2.1.2 to fix an error in timezone handling in the pipermail 
archiving code. The patch is closed as it has been incorporated into the 
CVS 
(http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mailman/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py) 
but is still applicable to the current stable 2.1.2 release. See:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=732366&group_id=103&atid=100103

>..
>
>Thanks,
>Anthony Carter

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From jim at mcws.net  Wed Jul  9 13:00:12 2003
From: jim at mcws.net (Jim Stallings)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 07:00:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cpanel and Mailman
Message-ID: <001d01c34609$45f6d480$6501a8c0@office>

Does anyone know a good way to backup your mailman files and archives
since the cpanel backup does not do this?

Thanks

From bazofia at menta.net  Wed Jul  9 13:26:07 2003
From: bazofia at menta.net (bazofia)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 13:26:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web interface problem
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030709131613.00bd1f80@pop3.menta.net>

Hi.

I just try create new lists from the mailman web interface and nothing 
happens!
I got no errors, and there are no lists (except the mailman list I created 
from commandline) in both http://lists.site.com/mailman/listinfo 
and   /usr/local/mailman/lists.site.com/lists/

I have no errors in apache web server error log

(access.log)
[09/Jul/2003:13:22:40 +0200] "GET /mailman/create HTTP/1.1" 302 244
[09/Jul/2003:13:22:40 +0200] "GET /icons/mailman.jpg HTTP/1.1" 304 -
[09/Jul/2003:13:22:41 +0200] "GET /icons/gnu-head-tiny.jpg HTTP/1.1" 304 -
[09/Jul/2003:13:22:41 +0200] "GET /icons/PythonPowered.png HTTP/1.1" 304 -
[09/Jul/2003:13:23:22 +0200] "GET /mailman/create HTTP/1.1" 200 9307
[09/Jul/2003:13:23:22 +0200] "GET /icons/mailman.jpg HTTP/1.1" 304 -
[09/Jul/2003:13:23:23 +0200] "GET /icons/gnu-head-tiny.jpg HTTP/1.1" 304 -
[09/Jul/2003:13:23:23 +0200] "GET /icons/PythonPowered.png HTTP/1.1" 304 -

any idea about what is happening?
does mailman binaries generate any type os logs/debug? maybe the cgis 
aren't even calling the mailman binaries at all!

any idea/comment will be highly appreciated

bz

(mailman-2.1.2, qmail-1.03, vpopmail-5.2.1, apache-1.3.27)

From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed Jul  9 14:10:49 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 13:10:49 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web interface problem
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030709131613.00bd1f80@pop3.menta.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030709125234.04653468@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 12:26 09/07/2003, bazofia wrote:
>Hi.
>
>I just try create new lists from the mailman web interface and nothing 
>happens!

What do you mean by 'nothing happens'?

After you click the 'Create List' button on the create list web admin GUI 
page, what is displayed?

The log entries you cite do not show that you have submitted the completed 
list creation web form to your server; no POST operation appears in the 
Apache server log as a consequence of you clicking the 'Create List' button 
on the form; the method for the FORM tag on the create web page is "POST" 
so if you submit the form then a POST operation should be logged by Apache. 
For instance, my Apache server logs the following entries when I create a 
list successfully.

mm.mydomain.tld - - [09/Jul/2003:12:52:51 +0100] "GET /mailman/create 
HTTP/1.0" 200 8834
mm.mydomain.tld - - [09/Jul/2003:12:53:50 +0100] "POST /mailman/create 
HTTP/1.0" 200 1454

I am also a little confused by the HTTP 302 response code (temporary 
redirect response) shown for the first attempt to access /mailman/create in 
the Apache log entries you cite. Do you have some sort of MM URI rerwiting 
set up on your Apache server? If so, maybe that is interfering with things.

>I got no errors, and there are no lists (except the mailman list I created 
>from commandline) in both http://lists.site.com/mailman/listinfo 
>and   /usr/local/mailman/lists.site.com/lists/
>
>I have no errors in apache web server error log
>
>(access.log)
>[09/Jul/2003:13:22:40 +0200] "GET /mailman/create HTTP/1.1" 302 244
>[09/Jul/2003:13:22:40 +0200] "GET /icons/mailman.jpg HTTP/1.1" 304 -
>[09/Jul/2003:13:22:41 +0200] "GET /icons/gnu-head-tiny.jpg HTTP/1.1" 304 -
>[09/Jul/2003:13:22:41 +0200] "GET /icons/PythonPowered.png HTTP/1.1" 304 -
>[09/Jul/2003:13:23:22 +0200] "GET /mailman/create HTTP/1.1" 200 9307
>[09/Jul/2003:13:23:22 +0200] "GET /icons/mailman.jpg HTTP/1.1" 304 -
>[09/Jul/2003:13:23:23 +0200] "GET /icons/gnu-head-tiny.jpg HTTP/1.1" 304 -
>[09/Jul/2003:13:23:23 +0200] "GET /icons/PythonPowered.png HTTP/1.1" 304 -
>
>
>
>any idea about what is happening?
>does mailman binaries generate any type os logs/debug? maybe the cgis 
>aren't even calling the mailman binaries at all!
>
>any idea/comment will be highly appreciated
>
>
>bz
>
>(mailman-2.1.2, qmail-1.03, vpopmail-5.2.1, apache-1.3.27)

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From prussell at mteliza.com.au  Wed Jul  9 15:34:00 2003
From: prussell at mteliza.com.au (Peter Russell)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 23:34:00 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Really Fustrating - Searchable Archives
Message-ID: 

Not being a Linux guru, just getting mailman and sendmail or postfix all
set up and working properly is a fair task. Attacking a working installing
to get mhonarc and htdig working and MM patched is just an excercise in
fustration. (without a detailed howto, slightly beyond my linux skills)

Is there anywhere that a 1, 2, 3 - press this then type that type guide
exists to achieve threaded archiving and a good search feature?

OR is there any chance that these types of features are going to be
avilable in the MM release? Or is there a CVS i can download and install?

Can anyone tell me why archive search (or even threaded archives) are not
used out of the box with this product?

Is there a product that does EVERYTHING that mailman does and does have the
search and archives features too?

The punters who wanted mailman are starting to get mad as hell at me for
not having these features going, i appreciate ANY input/suggestions.

From jor at ixek.com  Tue Jul  8 19:03:58 2003
From: jor at ixek.com (jorge benjumea gomez)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:03:58 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] debian sarge + mailman 212 bug
Message-ID: <20030708170231.M79997@ixek.com>

i submit a posible bug....
i dont know where to submit it so i do here (mailman-users at python.org)

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of 
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what 
happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 169, in main
    change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 1263, in change_options
    send_admin_notif, invitation)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 902, in ApprovedAddMember
    digest, text)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py", line 78, in SendSubscribeAck
    text, pluser)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 206, in __init__
    errors='replace')
TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'errors'

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---

Python information:
Variable Value 
sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Mar 21 2003, 23:01:54) [GCC 3.2.3 20030316 (Debian 
prerelease)]  
sys.executable /usr/bin/python  
sys.prefix /usr  
sys.exec_prefix /usr  
sys.path /usr  
sys.platform linux2  

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---

Environment variables:
Variable Value 
HTTP_ACCEPT  image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, 
application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/msword, 
application/x-shockwave-flash, application/x-gsarcade-launch, */*  
CONTENT_TYPE  multipart/form-data; boundary=---------------------------
7d3399324004e4  
HTTP_REFERER  http://ixek.com/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/cittec/members/add  
SERVER_SOFTWARE  Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) Debian GNU/Linux PHP/4.1.2  
PYTHONPATH  /var/lib/mailman  
SCRIPT_FILENAME  /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/admin  
SERVER_ADMIN  webmaster at ixek.com  
SCRIPT_NAME  /cgi-bin/mailman/admin  
SERVER_SIGNATURE  Apache/1.3.27 Server at SeeK.ixek.com Port 80 
REQUEST_METHOD  POST  
HTTP_HOST  ixek.com  
PATH_INFO  /cittec/members/add  
SERVER_PROTOCOL  HTTP/1.1  
QUERY_STRING   
HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL  no-cache  
REQUEST_URI  /cgi-bin/mailman/admin/cittec/members/add  
CONTENT_LENGTH  901  
PATH_TRANSLATED  /var/www/cittec/members/add  
HTTP_USER_AGENT  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)  
HTTP_CONNECTION  Keep-Alive  
HTTP_COOKIE  
cittec+admin=28020000006974dd0a3f73280000003364313532356230326165393535366330
3130303538303730643133323437376163646366323633; openwebmail-loginname=jor; 
openwebmail-rememberme=  
SERVER_NAME  SeeK.ixek.com  
REMOTE_ADDR  192.168.1.101  
REMOTE_PORT  1315  
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE  es  
SERVER_ADDR  192.168.1.250  
SERVER_PORT  80  
GATEWAY_INTERFACE  CGI/1.1  
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING  gzip, deflate  
UNIQUE_ID  Pwrdw8CoAfoAACRtaCk  
DOCUMENT_ROOT  /var/www  

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From TwinsDad at tampabay.rr.com  Tue Jul  8 23:58:42 2003
From: TwinsDad at tampabay.rr.com (Daniel A. Creed)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:58:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Simple Question about URL in the invite e-mail.
Message-ID: <000501c3459c$18944210$650aa8c0@QUIGONN>

In my invite confirmation e-mails when I invite someone to join a
mailing group, it gives the wrong URL in the message. Does anyone know
where this is coded? Or am I missing something in a config file or what?
It gives the right path, but the wrong hostname URL (example.. says
http://porky.devel.redhat.com/mailman/livingword/(confirmation key)..
instead of my actual host name. is uses the URL on certain admin
functions as well? I can't find reference to that URL in any of the
config files!

Thanks,
Dan

From Bruno.Gianardo at csi.it  Wed Jul  9 15:45:58 2003
From: Bruno.Gianardo at csi.it (Bruno.Gianardo at csi.it)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:45:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with MIME types
Message-ID: 

Hello.
I have installed the 2.1.2 release of Mailman, and I have to report some 
minor trouble regarding MIME types interpretation.

Attachment with .doc or .pdf extensions don't get recognized correctly in 
the Archive pages: instead, they are treated as "application/octet-stream" 
(literally) files, and provided with .obj extension.
All other common filetypes are treated correctly.
I have to point out that the delivered messages contain the attachments in 
their original, correct form, with the right extensions.

I checked the MIME types settings for Apache and Python, but they both 
include pdf as well as doc, with the right associations.

Could you please help me out with this matter?

Thank you very much
Bruno Gianardo
------------------------------------------------------
Ing. Bruno GIANARDO
CSI Piemonte - Direzione Tecnologie
e-mail : Bruno.Gianardo at csi.it
Tel    : +39-011-316.8972
Fax   : +39-011-316.9230

From a.carter at cordis.lu  Wed Jul  9 16:41:48 2003
From: a.carter at cordis.lu (CARTER Anthony)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 14:41:48 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timezone for archives
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030709101633.00ae59d0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030709101633.00ae59d0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1057761787.3105.5.camel@INTRA170>

I got the following when trying to view a message in our private
list...We approve each message. When clicking on the message number, we
get the following:

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!

Traceback:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/export/spare/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/export/spare/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 212, in main
    show_message_requests(mlist, form, msgid)
  File "/export/spare/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 521, in show_message_requests
    show_post_requests(mlist, id, info, 1, 1, form)
  File "/export/spare/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 554, in show_post_requests
    msg = readMessage(os.path.join(mm_cfg.DATA_DIR, filename))
  File "/export/spare/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 582, in readMessage
    msg = cPickle.load(fp)
UnpicklingError: A load persistent id instruction was encountered,
but no persistent_load function was specified.

Any ideas anyone?

Thanks,
Anthony

From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed Jul  9 16:40:36 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 15:40:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Really Fustrating - Searchable Archives
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030709133320.03f88bd0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 14:34 09/07/2003, Peter Russell wrote:
>Not being a Linux guru, just getting mailman and sendmail or postfix all
>set up and working properly is a fair task. Attacking a working installing
>to get mhonarc and htdig working and MM patched is just an excercise in
>fustration. (without a detailed howto, slightly beyond my linux skills)

You do not have to install Mhonarc to get searchable archives. Mhonarc is 
an external archiver and some people prefer that to using the Mailman 
internal pipermail archiver. Adding Mhonarc to the equation just 
complicates the issues for you rather than simplifying adding search.

With the following information available, more directed advice will be 
achievable:

1. are you making the list archives available over the internet or only 
within your own domain?

2. are all your list archives public or do you have some private archives 
whose privacy you want to preserve over search?

3. do you want per-list search indexes that will only return search hits 
relevant to individual lists or do you want site-wide search indexes that 
may return hits from many lists?

4. do you have any search engine installed on the server running Mailman? 
If so what is it?

5. do you have any search engine installed on any other server in your 
network? If so what is it and can you change its configuration files so 
that it can be directed to also index your list archives?

6. do you want search forms on the TOC pages of individual list archives?

7. what OS and version are you running?

8. what version of Python are you running?

8. what version of MM are you running and how was it installed: from source 
or was it packaged?

With the above information it will be easier to produce a directed guide to 
setting up search for your list archives.

>Is there anywhere that a 1, 2, 3 - press this then type that type guide
>exists to achieve threaded archiving and a good search feature?

Answer the above questions and you may get your wish. btw: Mailman's 
internal archiver produces threaded archives out of the box.

>OR is there any chance that these types of features are going to be
>avilable in the MM release? Or is there a CVS i can download and install?

It is being considered.

>Can anyone tell me why archive search (or even threaded archives) are not
>used out of the box with this product?

A fair number of people are running htdig with or without using the mailman 
integration patches. It really is not that difficult to install and setup. 
Like a lot of Open Software, there may be a certain lack of polish but the 
base technology is pretty good and comes at a remarkably good price.

btw: did I mention that Mailman's internal archiver produces threaded 
archives out of the box.

>Is there a product that does EVERYTHING that mailman does and does have the
>search and archives features too?

Maybe, but a mailing list supporting no-cost Open Software is probably not 
the place to look for it.

>The punters who wanted mailman are starting to get mad as hell at me for
>not having these features going, i appreciate ANY input/suggestions.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                                      http://www.openinfo.co.uk

From eric.miller at padtinc.com  Wed Jul  9 17:36:47 2003
From: eric.miller at padtinc.com (Eric Miller)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 08:36:47 -0700 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Return to performance
Message-ID: 

Dear all,

In my last post on performance you gave me a lot of good advice.
Some things that helped:
  Set SMTP_MAX_RCTPS back to default of 500 (I found a posting
   that said 3 to 5 was better, must have been an old version)
  Upped my RAM to 1.5 GB
  Rearranged how the machine saw the internet so my firewall was
    less of a choke on flow.

I implemented all that I could and my send times are now down
to from 5 to 30 minutes.  I'd like to see better.

Some facts on my setup:

OS: Redhat 9
Mailman Version: 2.1
Hardware: 2.5 Mhz Athlon
Drive: Single 40 GB 
MTA: sendmail (default with Redhat) (SMTPDirect)
DNS Helper: pdnsd
Network Connection: Full T1 from Sprint 
Usage: Average 12 Messages a Day, 8 in a four hour window from 6AM to 10AM
       Pacific Standard Time  
Subscriber: Around 2000, around 1/2 overseas

When I check times I look at the time from when Mailman received
the message till it shows up on my company mailserver (different machines on
two different networks)

99.9% of my recipients are outside my LAN

I am looking at disk utilization and see if that is hurting me as well.

Something else that puzzles me is that some of the recipients seem to have
very slow mail receivers, especially in India and China.  Is there a way
to find slow connections and group them together so they don't slow down
everyone else?

Thank you in advance for any and all advice!  As I said earlier, this
really is a very cool piece of software.  I just want to make sure I am
getting the most out of it.

Thanks

Eric

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Eric Miller
Director: Support,
Training & Development
Phoenix Analysis &
Design Technologies
(480) 813-4884, x103
www.padtinc.com

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Jul  9 18:04:05 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 16:04:05 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Return to performance
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1057766642.2600.175.camel@Anncons4>

On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 11:36, Eric Miller wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> In my last post on performance you gave me a lot of good advice.
> Some things that helped:
>   Set SMTP_MAX_RCTPS back to default of 500 (I found a posting
>    that said 3 to 5 was better, must have been an old version)
>   Upped my RAM to 1.5 GB
>   Rearranged how the machine saw the internet so my firewall was
>     less of a choke on flow.
> 
> I implemented all that I could and my send times are now down
> to from 5 to 30 minutes.  I'd like to see better.
> 
> Some facts on my setup:
> 
> OS: Redhat 9
> Mailman Version: 2.1
> Hardware: 2.5 Mhz Athlon
> Drive: Single 40 GB 
> MTA: sendmail (default with Redhat) (SMTPDirect)
> DNS Helper: pdnsd
> Network Connection: Full T1 from Sprint 
> Usage: Average 12 Messages a Day, 8 in a four hour window from 6AM to 10AM
>        Pacific Standard Time  
> Subscriber: Around 2000, around 1/2 overseas
> 
> 
> When I check times I look at the time from when Mailman received
> the message till it shows up on my company mailserver (different machines on
> two different networks)
> 
> 99.9% of my recipients are outside my LAN
> 
> I am looking at disk utilization and see if that is hurting me as well.
> 
> Something else that puzzles me is that some of the recipients seem to have
> very slow mail receivers, especially in India and China.  Is there a way
> to find slow connections and group them together so they don't slow down
> everyone else?
> 
> Thank you in advance for any and all advice!  As I said earlier, this
> really is a very cool piece of software.  I just want to make sure I am
> getting the most out of it.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Eric
> 

Hmm, Well I'm probably one of the old curmudgeons that propagates the 
   SMTP_MAX_RCTPS = 5
as being best for Sendmail.

If that doesn't work for you, then you might not like this advise
either...
http://www.trilug.org/~jonc/mailserver/PartIII.html

O Timeout.iconnect=5m - Used to weed out slow hosts. Definitely change
this. I recommend trying 5 seconds (O Timeout.iconnect=5s). This value
is the timeout for the initial connection. If it fails the initial
connection then it moves that host to the rear of the queue and when its
turn comes again in the queue it will use the more generic
"Timeout.connect" value.

O Timeout.ident=0 - You really want to check this and make *sure* that
it is zero, otherwise sendmail wastes that many seconds attempting to
use ident. 

Jon Carnes

From jim at jipo.com  Wed Jul  9 18:07:34 2003
From: jim at jipo.com (Jean-Marc V. Liotier)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 16:07:34 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix integration
Message-ID: <1057766822.2089.54.camel@localhost>

I tried the postfix-to-mailman.py script and I tried the virtual regexp
method described at http://listes.rezo.net/how.php but I did not managed
to get anything working either way. Maybe both methods were too
sophisticated for my rough skills. They looked good on paper though. In
the end, I had success by following the instructions in
README.POSTFIX.gz. Did anyone manage to set up a system by using the two
first methods cited or did most of the Postfix users end up using the
last method ?

From jim at jipo.com  Wed Jul  9 18:11:24 2003
From: jim at jipo.com (Jean-Marc V. Liotier)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 16:11:24 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Crash when adding subscribers
Message-ID: <1057766542.2089.48.camel@localhost>

After having having installed the Mailman package on my Debian
(unstable) system and having completed the Postfix integration recipe
described in README.POSTFIX.gz, I created a couple of list (the
mandatory "mailman" list and a "test" list) and started trying to add
subscribers. The text I pasted below is the page I get after having
added one subscriber to a list using the Web interface to Mailman. I
tried adding subscriber using the command line, but the result is
similar. I have no idea where to start the debugging : I have a very
stock Debian system and I wonder what can cause such a crash. If
somebody could give me a hint to get me started, I would be grateful.

----------------------------------------------

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!

Traceback:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 169, in main
    change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 1263, in change_options
    send_admin_notif, invitation)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 902, in ApprovedAddMember
    digest, text)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py", line 78, in SendSubscribeAck
    text, pluser)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 206, in __init__
    errors='replace')
TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'errors'

________________________________________________________________________
Python information:
              Variable
               Value
sys.version
2.2.2 (#1, Mar 21 2003, 23:01:54)
[GCC 3.2.3 20030316 (Debian
prerelease)] 
sys.executable
/usr/bin/python 
sys.prefix
/usr 
sys.exec_prefix
/usr 
sys.path
/usr 
sys.platform
linux2 

________________________________________________________________________
Environment variables:
              Variable
               Value
PATH_INFO 
/test/members/add 
HTTP_ACCEPT 
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1 
CONTENT_TYPE 
multipart/form-data;
boundary=---------------------------76577989416025599901281743035 
HTTP_REFERER 
http://lists.ruwenzori.net/mailman/admin/test/members/add 
SCRIPT_FILENAME 
/usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/admin 
PYTHONPATH 
/var/lib/mailman 
SERVER_SOFTWARE 
Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) Debian
GNU/Linux PHP/4.1.2 mod_perl/1.27
DAV/1.0.3 
SERVER_ADMIN 
jim at jipo.com 
SCRIPT_NAME 
/mailman/admin 
SERVER_SIGNATURE 
Apache/1.3.27 Server at
lists.ruwenzori.net Port 80
REQUEST_METHOD 
POST 
HTTP_HOST 
lists.ruwenzori.net 
HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 
300 
SERVER_PROTOCOL 
HTTP/1.1 
QUERY_STRING 

PATH_TRANSLATED 
/home/jim/public_html/lists.ruwenzori.net/test/members/add 
REQUEST_URI 
/mailman/admin/test/members/add 
CONTENT_LENGTH 
1021 
HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET 
ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 
HTTP_USER_AGENT 
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686)
Gecko/20030527 Galeon/1.3.5
Debian/1.3.5.20030615-1 
HTTP_CONNECTION 
keep-alive 
HTTP_COOKIE 
test+admin=2802000000698b250c3f732800000035623038333862646239646564353034336264386664376263646638613234656334303735396434; mailman+admin=28020000006988360c3f732800000036303961326366313561303734666631633761626631363838363934383966636633663664393435 
SERVER_NAME 
lists.ruwenzori.net 
REMOTE_ADDR 
194.206.12.82 
REMOTE_PORT 
35081 
SERVER_ADDR 
80.67.180.102 
SERVER_PORT 
80 
GATEWAY_INTERFACE 
CGI/1.1 
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 
gzip,deflate,compress;q=0.9 
UNIQUE_ID 
Pww24n8AAAEAACTiGl8 
DOCUMENT_ROOT 
/home/jim/public_html/lists.ruwenzori.net 

From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed Jul  9 18:55:17 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:55:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Crash when adding subscribers
In-Reply-To: <1057766542.2089.48.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030709175451.04823c28@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers at python.org/msg06122.html may 
be relevant

At 17:02 09/07/2003, Jean-Marc V. Liotier wrote:

>After having having installed the Mailman package on my Debian
>(unstable) system and having completed the Postfix integration recipe
>described in README.POSTFIX.gz, I created a couple of list (the
>mandatory "mailman" list and a "test" list) and started trying to add
>subscribers. The text I pasted below is the page I get after having
>added one subscriber to a list using the Web interface to Mailman. I
>tried adding subscriber using the command line, but the result is
>similar. I have no idea where to start the debugging : I have a very
>stock Debian system and I wonder what can cause such a crash. If
>somebody could give me a hint to get me started, I would be grateful.
>
>----------------------------------------------
>
>Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2
>We're sorry, we hit a bug!
>If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
>of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
>happened. Thanks!
>
>
>Traceback:
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 169, in main
>     change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 1263, in change_options
>     send_admin_notif, invitation)
>   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 902, in ApprovedAddMember
>     digest, text)
>   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py", line 78, in SendSubscribeAck
>     text, pluser)
>   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 206, in __init__
>     errors='replace')
>TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'errors'
>
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>Python information:
>               Variable
>                Value
>sys.version
>2.2.2 (#1, Mar 21 2003, 23:01:54)
>[GCC 3.2.3 20030316 (Debian
>prerelease)]
>sys.executable
>/usr/bin/python
>sys.prefix
>/usr
>sys.exec_prefix
>/usr
>sys.path
>/usr
>sys.platform
>linux2
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>Environment variables:
>               Variable
>                Value
>PATH_INFO
>/test/members/add
>HTTP_ACCEPT
>text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1 
>
>CONTENT_TYPE
>multipart/form-data;
>boundary=---------------------------76577989416025599901281743035
>HTTP_REFERER
>http://lists.ruwenzori.net/mailman/admin/test/members/add
>SCRIPT_FILENAME
>/usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/admin
>PYTHONPATH
>/var/lib/mailman
>SERVER_SOFTWARE
>Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) Debian
>GNU/Linux PHP/4.1.2 mod_perl/1.27
>DAV/1.0.3
>SERVER_ADMIN
>jim at jipo.com
>SCRIPT_NAME
>/mailman/admin
>SERVER_SIGNATURE
>Apache/1.3.27 Server at
>lists.ruwenzori.net Port 80
>REQUEST_METHOD
>POST
>HTTP_HOST
>lists.ruwenzori.net
>HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE
>300
>SERVER_PROTOCOL
>HTTP/1.1
>QUERY_STRING
>
>PATH_TRANSLATED
>/home/jim/public_html/lists.ruwenzori.net/test/members/add
>REQUEST_URI
>/mailman/admin/test/members/add
>CONTENT_LENGTH
>1021
>HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET
>ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
>HTTP_USER_AGENT
>Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686)
>Gecko/20030527 Galeon/1.3.5
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>lists.ruwenzori.net
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>35081
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>80.67.180.102
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>Pww24n8AAAEAACTiGl8
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>/home/jim/public_html/lists.ruwenzori.net
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From jelkink at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  9 19:10:19 2003
From: jelkink at yahoo.com (Jos Elkink)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:10:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuration (virtual domains) doesn't work
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I'm a bit at a loss what is going wrong, especially because there is
nothing reported in any log files. When I send an email, the
mail/wrapper exits with 1, without any other info on what goes wrong,
and when I go to the webpages of my mailman, it tells me there's a bug
and I should look into the log files, which do not say anything.

Below is my mm_cfg.py file - is there anything wrong with it?

Note that the binaries with mailman work fine - e.g. I can create a list
or add members, using 'addlist' or 'addmembers', after setting the
DOMAIN environment variable.

The documentation of Exim 4, which is what I use, says that Exim does
set the DOMAIN variable. And a PHP script to read HTTP_HOST also works
fine. So those environment variables also should not be the problem. But
what then is? :)

What could be wrong?
And is there a way to have mailman report much more in the logs? Some
debug setting?

Any help would be very much appreciated!

Jos

---------------------mm_cfg.py-------------------------------

#######################################################
#    Here's where we get the distributed defaults.    #

from Defaults import *

#########################################################
# Get domain-specific settings.                         #

import os
import string

def loadDomainDefaults ( name ):
        definition = ""
        module = '/var/mail/' + name + '/DomainDefaults.py'
        hFile = open ( module, "r" )
        for line in hFile.readlines():
                definition = definition + line
        definition = definition + "\n"
        exec definition in globals()

if os.environ.get('HTTP_HOST') :
        junk, domain = tuple(string.split(os.environ['HTTP_HOST'], '.',
1))
        loadDomainDefaults(domain)
elif os.environ.get('DOMAIN') :
        loadDomainDefaults(os.environ['DOMAIN'])

##############################################################
# Put YOUR site-specific configuration below, in mm_cfg.py . #
# See Defaults.py for explanations of the values.            #

IMAGE_LOGOS       = '/doc/mailman/images/'
USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = 1
DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 0

MAILMAN_OWNER     = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME

PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/pipermail'
PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/cgi-bin/mailman/private'

LIST_DATA_DIR   = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, DEFAULT_HOST_NAME + '/lists')
LOG_DIR         = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, DEFAULT_HOST_NAME + '/logs')
LOCK_DIR        = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, DEFAULT_HOST_NAME + '/locks')
DATA_DIR        = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, DEFAULT_HOST_NAME + '/data')
QUEUE_DIR       = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, DEFAULT_HOST_NAME +
'/qfiles')

------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----

A sample DomainDefaults.py would be:

#########################################
# Domain specific defaults for Mailman. #

DEFAULT_HOST_NAME   = 'cantr.net'
DEFAULT_URL         = 'http://cantr.net/mailman/'

------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----

From eric at rain.org  Wed Jul  9 19:43:50 2003
From: eric at rain.org (Eric McDonald)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:43:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with list server bounces going through
	news gateway
Message-ID: <008201c34641$a8ab8f20$199b44c6@1129state.rain.org>

Hi everyone:

I have a list server that's tied to a news server through the gateway,
specifically soc.nonprofit.org

When someone posts a message to the newsgroup, it gets forwarded to the
nonprofit list server that I maintain, but if one of the users on the
listserver has the mail bounced back, and then it's approved by the
administrator, then the bounce goes all the way back to the original
poster on the newsgroup (not the whole newsgroup itself).

Is there any way to make list server bounces transparent to those who
are posting to the newsgroup?

Thanks in advance,

Eric McDonald
Systems Admin, RAIN Network

From jelkink at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  9 21:56:08 2003
From: jelkink at yahoo.com (Jos Elkink)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 20:56:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuration (virtual domains) doesn't work -
	problem found
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Hi all,

Apparently, the problem was just the read/write permissions on the
files. Check_perms was the whole solution. Sorry to bother you! ;) ...

Jos

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-bounces+jelkink=yahoo.com at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jelkink=yahoo.com at python.org]On
> Behalf Of
> Jos Elkink
> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 6:10 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuration (virtual domains) doesn't work
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm a bit at a loss what is going wrong, especially because there is
> nothing reported in any log files. When I send an email, the
> mail/wrapper exits with 1, without any other info on what goes wrong,
> and when I go to the webpages of my mailman, it tells me there's a bug
> and I should look into the log files, which do not say anything.
>
> Below is my mm_cfg.py file - is there anything wrong with it?
>
> Note that the binaries with mailman work fine - e.g. I can
> create a list
> or add members, using 'addlist' or 'addmembers', after setting the
> DOMAIN environment variable.
>
> The documentation of Exim 4, which is what I use, says that Exim does
> set the DOMAIN variable. And a PHP script to read HTTP_HOST also works
> fine. So those environment variables also should not be the
> problem. But
> what then is? :)
>
> What could be wrong?
> And is there a way to have mailman report much more in the logs? Some
> debug setting?
>
> Any help would be very much appreciated!
>
> Jos
>
> ---------------------mm_cfg.py-------------------------------
>
> #######################################################
> #    Here's where we get the distributed defaults.    #
>
> from Defaults import *
>
> #########################################################
> # Get domain-specific settings.                         #
>
> import os
> import string
>
> def loadDomainDefaults ( name ):
>         definition = ""
>         module = '/var/mail/' + name + '/DomainDefaults.py'
>         hFile = open ( module, "r" )
>         for line in hFile.readlines():
>                 definition = definition + line
>         definition = definition + "\n"
>         exec definition in globals()
>
> if os.environ.get('HTTP_HOST') :
>         junk, domain =
> tuple(string.split(os.environ['HTTP_HOST'], '.',
> 1))
>         loadDomainDefaults(domain)
> elif os.environ.get('DOMAIN') :
>         loadDomainDefaults(os.environ['DOMAIN'])
>
> ##############################################################
> # Put YOUR site-specific configuration below, in mm_cfg.py . #
> # See Defaults.py for explanations of the values.            #
>
> IMAGE_LOGOS       = '/doc/mailman/images/'
> USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = 1
> DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 0
>
> MAILMAN_OWNER     = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME
>
> PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/pipermail'
> PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/cgi-bin/mailman/private'
>
> LIST_DATA_DIR   = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, DEFAULT_HOST_NAME
> + '/lists')
> LOG_DIR         = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, DEFAULT_HOST_NAME
> + '/logs')
> LOCK_DIR        = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, DEFAULT_HOST_NAME
> + '/locks')
> DATA_DIR        = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, DEFAULT_HOST_NAME
> + '/data')
> QUEUE_DIR       = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, DEFAULT_HOST_NAME +
> '/qfiles')
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
> -----
>
> A sample DomainDefaults.py would be:
>
> #########################################
> # Domain specific defaults for Mailman. #
>
> DEFAULT_HOST_NAME   = 'cantr.net'
> DEFAULT_URL         = 'http://cantr.net/mailman/'
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
> -----
>
>
>
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From bazofia at menta.net  Wed Jul  9 23:08:36 2003
From: bazofia at menta.net (bazofia)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 23:08:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual domains/hosts (qmail+mailman)
In-Reply-To: <1057273090.2602.157.camel@Anncons4>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030703223324.00bd4cf0@pop3.menta.net>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20030703223324.00bd4cf0@pop3.menta.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030709230812.033c80e0@pop3.menta.net>

thanks for the info.

really, there is no document nor piece of man that explains more or less 
clearly how to setup a few virtual hosts each one with it's mailman admin 
with lists private for each virtual host, is there?

thanks in advance!

From paul.williams at uwex.edu  Wed Jul  9 23:55:37 2003
From: paul.williams at uwex.edu (Paul F. Williams)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 16:55:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New list manager deleted the New list message
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030709165102.02986708@imap.uwex.edu>

I have recently setup mailman on one of our servers
so I am still learning how to run the list server.

A few days ago I had a request for a new list.

I created the list and a New list message went out
to this new list manager.

It appears that they just deleted the message.

Is there an easy way to regenerate and then send
this message to the new list manager?

The method I used was to take an old test list
message that I received, then modified the info and forwarded
it to the user.  But I'm wondering if there is an easier method.

paulw

From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jul  9 23:19:19 2003
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 01:19:19 +0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Return to performance
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

At 8:36 AM -0700 2003/07/09, Eric Miller wrote:

>  Something else that puzzles me is that some of the recipients seem to have
>  very slow mail receivers, especially in India and China.  Is there a way
>  to find slow connections and group them together so they don't slow down
>  everyone else?

	For MTA performance tuning issues (especially sendmail), see my 
paper , 
Nick's paper , 
and and Nick's book .

	For issues with regards to tuning the performance of mailing 
lists in specific as opposed to MTAs in general, see 

and 
.

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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From prussell at mteliza.com.au  Thu Jul 10 00:18:39 2003
From: prussell at mteliza.com.au (Peter Russell)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 08:18:39 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Really Fustrating - Searchable Archives
Message-ID: 

MANY thanks for taking the time to try and help me - much appreciated. 

I suppose io want to emulate what list.org have on the mailman-users 
archive. I hope i dont sound unappreciative, i realise that this software 
(and all the patches and the support) are people investing thier own time 
for little/no financial return - sounds like my job), i really do think 
mailman is fantatsic, but these things are fustrating, especiually when 
you see how good it can work when you see the searchabkle archives at 
list.org - kind of expected to get that when i installed it.

Again many thanks in advance for trying to help me - answers to your 
questiosn follow.
Pete

1. Both. Internet/international users and local 'staff'.

2. All public - we only have a handlfull of lists in mind.

3. Preferably i would like to keep the search specific to each list. But i 
dont think this is essentail.

4. I dont have anything like that installed - i have mailman, sendmail and 
apache. Except for a little bit of mail relaying for machines on our 
private network, the mailman machine is dedicated to mailman

5. We only have a handful of Linux machines, everything else in win32 - my 
boss beleives that linux is not mature or robust enough for enterprise use 
:( In fact he says same about win2k and insists on using NT4 - i am sure 
he doesnt even like that and would prefer we had %100 DOS environment. We 
dont have any other linux machines running any kind of search software.

6. I dont completely understand this question - i want to be able to 
search on the contents of the archive - the body/subject of messages.

7. Red Hat 9 and the mailman version that came with it, RPM - which is a 
little bit of a hassle, because i am not an expert i dont know where to 
begin in regards to recompile and apply tio RPM instalation - where as now 
i know that with a little bit of effort compiling was easy enough on my 
test machine. (i have a test machine i am trying to get this all working 
on first)

8. I typed python and it returns 2.2.2 - it came with red hat 9

Richard Barrett 
10/07/2003 12:40 AM

        To:     "Peter Russell" 
        cc:     mailman-users at python.org
        Subject:        Re: [Mailman-Users] Really Fustrating - Searchable Archives

At 14:34 09/07/2003, Peter Russell wrote:
>Not being a Linux guru, just getting mailman and sendmail or postfix all
>set up and working properly is a fair task. Attacking a working 
installing
>to get mhonarc and htdig working and MM patched is just an excercise in
>fustration. (without a detailed howto, slightly beyond my linux skills)