From dhl at SPHDS.Org Wed Jan 1 00:40:05 2003 From: dhl at SPHDS.Org (David LeVine) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:40:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 Install Issues Message-ID: <200212312340.gBVNe5P13504@ns1.sphds.org> Hi, My server is running Solaris 2.8 with Python 2.2.2. I just downloaded and installed the 2.1 tarball and I've run into a few issues. Please point me to the correct FAQ if I've done something wrong, otherwise, please add them to the list of things to be addressed: - Not all of the icons were copied over from the source directory into the ~mailman/icons directory during the 'make install'; only the GNU icon was, neither the Python nor the mailman icon were. - All of the subdirectories under ~mailman/{messages,templates} were created with permissions 02755 instead of 02775. - When I create a list and try to change the 'description' under the 'general options', the change is ignored. - When I submit any change under the 'general options', it now pops me back to the authentication page (it didn't do this under 2.0.13). Thanks for any guidance or updates! David From dhl at SPHDS.Org Wed Jan 1 00:57:18 2003 From: dhl at SPHDS.Org (David LeVine) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:57:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: 2.1 Install issues Message-ID: <200212312357.gBVNvIu13639@ns1.sphds.org> Oops. Internet Explorer claimed that cookies were enabled but they really weren't...^( I can now change the description and I no longer get popped back to the authentication page. The other issues I mentioned still exist... David From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Jan 1 01:35:33 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:35:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help required-- Root Full In-Reply-To: <20021230163548.10750.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com>; from hellozappy2k@yahoo.com on Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 08:35:48AM -0800 References: <20021230163548.10750.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021231193533.A22969@dogpound.vnet.net> * sunny (hellozappy2k at yahoo.com) wrote: > Hello, > > I have mailman 2.1.10 running on solaris 2.7 for the > last 6+ Months, now the problem is the Mailman program > is installed on /home which is part of the root file > system, and by default archive option was enabled for > most of the lists, now the issue is the root > filesystem has become 90%, I don't want any archives, > how to go about ? Pls help me in bringing down the > size of root file system. You might mean mailman 2.0.10? At any rate, in ~/Mailman/Defaults.py set ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = -1 ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Tuesday, December 31, 2002 / 07:33PM | ---------------------------------------------- Emacs is a nice operating system, but I prefer UNIX. - Tom Christiansen From chris at dibona.com Wed Jan 1 04:22:04 2003 From: chris at dibona.com (Chris DiBona) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:22:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timing Question... Message-ID: I added about 150 users to the list, I mistakenly had the "send subscription confirmations email" option set to true, so I got 150 message, I assed them without a welcome message. I did not wait for all 150 user confirmations to hit my mailbox before sending a mail out to the list, after sending this mail, I got th remainder of the confirmations. So, what happened.... 1.....did everyone in the mailing list get it 2.....did everyone whom I had gotten confirmations for get it. My test email address got it, but it was already subscribed. Thanks in advance. Chris -- Chris DiBona, Vice President of Marketing chris.dibona at damagestudios.com I live in the future of Rekonstruction. It is 2402 in my world. Christmas of '04, you can join me. http://DamageStudios.com http://Rekonstruction.com From jimpop at rocketship.com Wed Jan 1 06:25:25 2003 From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 00:25:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timing Question... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Chris, I've never assed my users, but I reserve the option to do it in the future if needed. Of course I will more than likely send them a welcome message when I do. :) As for questions 1 & 2, it is all in the timing. Presumably all 150 users were subscribed before the first notification went out to you. Therefore it is safe to say that they also received the first post from you. Cheers, -Jim P. > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+jimpop=rocketship.com at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jimpop=rocketship.com at python.org]On Behalf > Of Chris DiBona > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 10:22 PM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timing Question... > > > > I added about 150 users to the list, I mistakenly had the "send > subscription confirmations email" option set to true, so I got 150 > message, I assed them without a welcome message. > > I did not wait for all 150 user confirmations to hit my mailbox before > sending a mail out to the list, after sending this mail, I got th > remainder of the confirmations. > > So, what happened.... > > 1.....did everyone in the mailing list get it > 2.....did everyone whom I had gotten confirmations for get it. > > My test email address got it, but it was already subscribed. > > Thanks in advance. > > Chris > > -- > Chris DiBona, Vice President of Marketing chris.dibona at damagestudios.com > I live in the future of Rekonstruction. It is 2402 in my world. > Christmas of '04, you can join me. > http://DamageStudios.com http://Rekonstruction.com ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jimpop at rocketship.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jimpop%40rocketship.com From chris at dibona.com Wed Jan 1 07:38:41 2003 From: chris at dibona.com (Chris DiBona) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 22:38:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timing Question... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, Im thinking that's the case as well, sorry for the typos. I'm cursed by a co-worker. As a more general question, does mailman work in surges? It seemed like I'd get mails to the list immediately, and then the administrative ones in blocks. Any comment from more experienced users would be welcome. Chris -- Chris DiBona, Vice President of Marketing chris.dibona at damagestudios.com I live in the future of Rekonstruction. It is 2402 in my world. Christmas of '04, you can join me. http://DamageStudios.com http://Rekonstruction.com On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Jim Popovitch wrote: > Hi Chris, > > I've never assed my users, but I reserve the option to do it in the future > if needed. Of course I will more than likely send them a welcome message > when I do. :) > > As for questions 1 & 2, it is all in the timing. Presumably all 150 users > were subscribed before the first notification went out to you. Therefore it > is safe to say that they also received the first post from you. > > Cheers, > > -Jim P. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mailman-users-bounces+jimpop=rocketship.com at python.org > > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jimpop=rocketship.com at python.org]On Behalf > > Of Chris DiBona > > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 10:22 PM > > To: mailman-users at python.org > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timing Question... > > > > > > > > I added about 150 users to the list, I mistakenly had the "send > > subscription confirmations email" option set to true, so I got 150 > > message, I assed them without a welcome message. > > > > I did not wait for all 150 user confirmations to hit my mailbox before > > sending a mail out to the list, after sending this mail, I got th > > remainder of the confirmations. > > > > So, what happened.... > > > > 1.....did everyone in the mailing list get it > > 2.....did everyone whom I had gotten confirmations for get it. > > > > My test email address got it, but it was already subscribed. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Chris > > > > -- > > Chris DiBona, Vice President of Marketing > chris.dibona at damagestudios.com > > I live in the future of Rekonstruction. It is 2402 in my world. > > Christmas of '04, you can join me. > > http://DamageStudios.com > http://Rekonstruction.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jimpop at rocketship.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jimpop%40rocketship.com > > From jimpop at rocketship.com Wed Jan 1 08:02:31 2003 From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 02:02:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timing Question... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Chris, Mailman has a qrunner process that runs every minute, so as long as your MTA can keep up you should be fine. Admin notices are configured via the web interface to go out immediately or once a day. I run ~25 lists and I have never seen a difference in delivery times for list mail versus admin mail, even if admin is a list. Out of the box Sendmail doesn't handle bulk mail delivery too swiftly. I use sendmail but have it spawn a dozen queue handlers in addition to the inbound handler. This dramatically increases its ability to move mail. On another note, Rekonstruction looks very promising... minor concern for the Wil effect though. ;) -Jim P. > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+jimpop=rocketship.com at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jimpop=rocketship.com at python.org]On Behalf > Of Chris DiBona > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 1:39 AM > To: Jim Popovitch > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Timing Question... > > > Thanks, Im thinking that's the case as well, sorry for the typos. I'm > cursed by a co-worker. > > As a more general question, does mailman work in surges? It seemed like > I'd get mails to the list immediately, and then the administrative ones in > blocks. Any comment from more experienced users would be welcome. > > Chris > > -- > Chris DiBona, Vice President of Marketing > chris.dibona at damagestudios.com > I live in the future of Rekonstruction. It is 2402 in my world. > Christmas of '04, you can join me. > http://DamageStudios.com > http://Rekonstruction.com > > On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Jim Popovitch wrote: > > > Hi Chris, > > > > I've never assed my users, but I reserve the option to do it in > the future > > if needed. Of course I will more than likely send them a > welcome message > > when I do. :) > > > > As for questions 1 & 2, it is all in the timing. Presumably > all 150 users > > were subscribed before the first notification went out to you. > Therefore it > > is safe to say that they also received the first post from you. > > > > Cheers, > > > > -Jim P. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: mailman-users-bounces+jimpop=rocketship.com at python.org > > > > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jimpop=rocketship.com at python.org]On Behalf > > > Of Chris DiBona > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 10:22 PM > > > To: mailman-users at python.org > > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timing Question... > > > > > > > > > > > > I added about 150 users to the list, I mistakenly had the "send > > > subscription confirmations email" option set to true, so I got 150 > > > message, I assed them without a welcome message. > > > > > > I did not wait for all 150 user confirmations to hit my mailbox before > > > sending a mail out to the list, after sending this mail, I got th > > > remainder of the confirmations. > > > > > > So, what happened.... > > > > > > 1.....did everyone in the mailing list get it > > > 2.....did everyone whom I had gotten confirmations for get it. > > > > > > My test email address got it, but it was already subscribed. > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > -- > > > Chris DiBona, Vice President of Marketing > > chris.dibona at damagestudios.com > > > I live in the future of Rekonstruction. It is 2402 in > my world. > > > Christmas of '04, you can join me. > > > http://DamageStudios.com > > http://Rekonstruction.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jimpop at rocketship.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jimpop%40rocketship.com > > ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jimpop at rocketship.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jimpop%40rocketship.com From F32144 at Danfoss.com Wed Jan 1 14:34:35 2003 From: F32144 at Danfoss.com (Hansen Martin) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 14:34:35 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman.pythonlib.nntplib.NNTPTemporaryError: 400 load at 17, try later Message-ID: <829F632D2F25D411B6920008C716F83105398CBE@dd01-e01.drives.danfoss.dk> Can somone clarify me on this error message. I can see that some kind of load is over some kind of limit but what load and what limit? I get this error every 1 to 5 minuttes. Below is the complete error message the only thing that changes in the error messages is the "load at" value it varries somewhere betwen 17 an 22. -------- Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/gate_news Traceback (innermost last): File "/var/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ? main() File "/var/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main process_lists(lock) File "/var/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 148, in process_lists conn, first, last = open_newsgroup(mlist) File "/var/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 75, in open_newsgroup password=mm_cfg.NNTP_PASSWORD) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 117, in __init__ self.welcome = self.shortcmd('mode reader') File "/var/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 210, in shortcmd return self.getresp() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 184, in getresp raise NNTPTemporaryError(resp) Mailman.pythonlib.nntplib.NNTPTemporaryError: 400 load at 17, try later -- ## ## __##__ Martin "the toolman" Hansen / \/ \ lok: DG1204 | /\ | Phone: 7488 5462 \/\/\/ \/\/ \/ From ruf at rawip.org Wed Jan 1 14:50:38 2003 From: ruf at rawip.org (Lukas Ruf) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 14:50:38 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminder: Trigger by hand (Mailman 2.1) Message-ID: <20030101135038.GA19586@maremma.ch> Dear all, I missed to configure the site mailman list. So, the password reminders were not sent out tonight. Is there any way to trigger the password reminder-sending by hand? Thanks in advance, Lukas -- Lukas Ruf http://www.lpr.ch Wanna know anything about raw ip? Join rawip at rawip.org on http://www.rawip.org From stb-mm at spline.de Wed Jan 1 15:15:18 2003 From: stb-mm at spline.de (Stephan Berndts) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 15:15:18 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminder: Trigger by hand (Mailman 2.1) In-Reply-To: <20030101135038.GA19586@maremma.ch> References: <20030101135038.GA19586@maremma.ch> Message-ID: <20030101141518.GA6069@uff.spline.de> Hi Lukas, On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 02:50:38PM +0100, Lukas Ruf wrote: > Is there any way to trigger the password reminder-sending by hand? Of course. Take a look at mailman's crontab. There is an entry similar to this: -- cut -- # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders. 0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds -- cut -- So just call "/usr/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds" with the right path entries and enjoy :-) btw: Happy new year to all of you! Stephan -- The more I hear, the less I know From ruf at rawip.org Wed Jan 1 15:24:56 2003 From: ruf at rawip.org (Lukas Ruf) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 15:24:56 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminder: Trigger by hand (Mailman 2.1) In-Reply-To: <20030101141518.GA6069@uff.spline.de> References: <20030101135038.GA19586@maremma.ch> <20030101141518.GA6069@uff.spline.de> Message-ID: <20030101142456.GA19703@maremma.ch> Hi Stephan, * Stephan Berndts [2003-01-01 15:18]: > > -- cut -- > # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders. > 0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds > -- cut -- > > So just call "/usr/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds" > with the right path entries and enjoy :-) > Thanks! > btw: Happy new year to all of you! > The same back! wbr, Lukas -- Lukas Ruf http://www.lpr.ch Wanna know anything about raw ip? Join rawip at rawip.org on http://www.rawip.org From barry at python.org Wed Jan 1 17:08:13 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 11:08:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminder: Trigger by hand (Mailman 2.1) References: <20030101135038.GA19586@maremma.ch> Message-ID: <15891.4717.647847.648927@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "LR" == Lukas Ruf writes: LR> I missed to configure the site mailman list. So, the password LR> reminders were not sent out tonight. LR> Is there any way to trigger the password reminder-sending by LR> hand? You can just run cron/mailpasswds manually. Try --help for details first. -Barry From MRosenberg at tribune.com Wed Jan 1 19:36:38 2003 From: MRosenberg at tribune.com (Rosenberg, Milt) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 12:36:38 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] None Message-ID: How do I get a list of the uchicago lists? Milton rosenberg Professor Emeritus Department of Psychology U of C From ruf at rawip.org Wed Jan 1 20:57:53 2003 From: ruf at rawip.org (Lukas Ruf) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 20:57:53 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] None In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030101195753.GB22261@maremma.ch> * Rosenberg, Milt [2003-01-01 20:41]: > How do I get a list of the uchicago lists? > are you site administrator? If yes, run bin/list_lists -a in the home of mailman. Otherwise try /mailman/listinfo on the server the lists are stored. wbr, Lukas -- Lukas Ruf http://www.lpr.ch Wanna know anything about raw ip? Join rawip at rawip.org on http://www.rawip.org From box99 at ntlworld.com Wed Jan 1 21:07:27 2003 From: box99 at ntlworld.com (david.gordon) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 20:07:27 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading Message-ID: <20030101200727.12641@smtp.ntlworld.com> I just want to be sure I understand how to get from MM 2.0.13 to 2.1 - I'm inexperienced with command lines and the like but Very Pleased With Myself when I got a couple of MM list running last month... As I understand I have two options. The easiest way looks like I just run % cd mailman-2.1 % ./configure % make install and that will overwrite 2.0.13 (after stopping my MTA and webserver). Then there's a couple of cron and qrunner things and, er, that's it? Or I could do a fresh install to a new directory and then move my two list over manually. That seems like extra work... Have I read the instructions too quickly or is option one that easy? Will my list carry on as usual once I restart my MTA? All I'll have to do is check the new settings in the Admin area. -- david.gordon From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Wed Jan 1 21:06:08 2003 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 14:06:08 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with aliases Message-ID: <3E134A30.5000805@jsoft.com> I'm trying to help someone set up a Mailman list. He has Debian, Mailman version: 2.0.13-2 and Postfix's version: 1.1.11-2. He looked over the web and the archives here and is stuck. The problem: >After running newlist, I added the following to > Postfix's alias table using postalias: > > icare: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post icare" > icare-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner icare" > icare-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd icare" > icare-owner: icare-admin > > I checked in the MySQL alias table and the entries were added > properly. > > I ran newaliases like the FAQs recommend, yet Postfix still complains > when any of the above aliases are used: > > Dec 31 13:06:24 pavia postfix/smtpd[30397]: reject: RCPT from > f40.pav1.hotmail.com[64.4.31.40]: 550 : User > unknown; > from= to= > > Dec 31 15:15:17 pavia postfix/smtpd[1493]: reject: RCPT from > smtpout.ev1.net[207.44.129.133]: 550 : User > unknown; from= to= I'm running Mailman 2.0.13 but using sendmail and can't help with Postfix. Any clues? Thanks, Gary From info at bazzmann.com Thu Jan 2 00:47:44 2003 From: info at bazzmann.com (Marco Trevisan | Bazzmann.Com) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 00:47:44 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1 Upgrading trouble. In-Reply-To: <15889.62187.207538.728855@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <3E11D6A3.9040604@bazzmann.com> <15889.62187.207538.728855@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <3E137E20.40706@bazzmann.com> Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > Thanks Barry, > The wrapper was renamed in MM2.1. See README.QMAIL for details. Have I to execute the "contrib/qmail-to-mailman.py"? Do this automatically convert alias to the new ones? I'm using Mailman with Plesk, I forgot to tell you. :) BTW, I just noted another difference. The MM archives were hosted under pipermail /public or /private directories. Every archive now point to the master server account (for example): http://wmge7c.bazzmann.com/pipermail/test3/ And not to the lists.* URL: http://lists.bazzmann.com/pipermail/test3/ And it's so also for differents domains (I host differents sites, .com, .net, .it and so on)... the domain for the archives is the same listed above (wmge7c). Some suggestion? -- Bazzmann Labs(c) - Accessibilita', usabilita', webdesign e standard W3C ::--------------------------------::---------------------------------:: http://www.bazzmann.it | Il sito ufficiale di Bazzmann Labs. http://www.bazzmann.com | La risorsa per informare e aggiornare. http://www.dev2dev.it | Elemento D2D002 From tmz at paonline.com Thu Jan 2 01:14:41 2003 From: tmz at paonline.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 19:14:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/rmlist too bold removing entries from postfix aliases file Message-ID: <20030102001441.GG27856@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, First off, thanks to Barry and all the MM developers for such a fine piece of software. I was testing out MM2.1 yesterday and created a few test lists. I was feeling especially creative so I named them test and test2. When I used bin/rmlist to remove "test" I found that it had also deleted the test2 entries from data/aliases (I use postfix as my MTA). I didn't see any mention of this in the list archives, but I could have missed it. Can anyone else confirm this behavior or am I doing something wrong? It looks like the problem is in Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py's _do_remove(). It simply checks that the line startswith '# STANZA START: ' + listname. This matches any lists that start with the same string as another listname. So If I have the lists test, test-users, and test-announce, running 'bin/rmlist test' will remove all three lists from data/aliases. This makes it hard for postfix to deliver mail to the list. :) I'm not much of a coder (and even less of a python coder), but I managed to patch Postfix.py to use a regexp instead of the simpler startswith to make the match more accurate. File this under WORKSFORME. I'm sure it can be improved upon, assuming this is really a problem and not a feature or some mis-usage on my part Here's the several line diff (let me know if there's a better place to post this): ########################################################################### - --- Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py.orig Tue Dec 31 20:53:42 2002 +++ Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py Tue Dec 31 20:48:47 2002 @@ -22,6 +22,7 @@ import errno import pwd import grp +import re from stat import * from Mailman import mm_cfg @@ -248,8 +249,8 @@ finally: os.umask(omask) filteroutp = 0 - - start = '# STANZA START: ' + listname - - end = '# STANZA END: ' + listname + start = re.compile('^# STANZA START: ' + listname + ' *$') + end = re.compile('^# STANZA END: ' + listname + ' *$') while 1: line = infp.readline() if not line: @@ -259,14 +260,14 @@ # filtering out a stanza, we're just looking for the proper begin # marker. if filteroutp: - - if line.startswith(end): + if end.search(line): filteroutp = 0 # Discard the trailing blank line, but don't worry if # we're at the end of the file. infp.readline() # Otherwise, ignore the line else: - - if line.startswith(start): + if start.search(line): # Filter out this stanza filteroutp = 1 else: ########################################################################### Thanks, - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz ============================================================================ Liberty is always dangerous, but it is the safest thing we have. -- Harry Emerson Fosdick -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+E4Rxuv+09NZUB1oRAsJ+AKCGCAOP7WVboICb/3iBDlzOAs85TACgkX3/ J0TijmI86Puluia21G+E7VM= =t3kL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From barry at python.org Thu Jan 2 02:33:02 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 20:33:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 Install Issues References: <200212312340.gBVNe5P13504@ns1.sphds.org> Message-ID: <15891.38606.822540.763573@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "DL" == David LeVine writes: DL> - Not all of the icons were copied over from the source DL> directory into the DL> ~mailman/icons directory during the 'make install'; only the DL> GNU icon was, neither the Python nor the mailman icon were. Works for me: % ./configure --prefix=/tmp/xxx ... ... % ls /tmp/xxx/icons gnu-head-tiny.jpg mailman-large.jpg PythonPowered.png mailman.jpg mm-icon.png DL> - All of the subdirectories under DL> ~mailman/{messages,templates} were created with permissions DL> 02755 instead of 02775. Also works for me: % ls -l /tmp/xxx/templates/ total 76 drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 big5/ drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 cs/ drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 de/ drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 en/ drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 es/ drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 et/ drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 fi/ drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 fr/ drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 gb/ drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 hu/ drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 it/ drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 ja/ drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 ko/ drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 lt/ drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 nl/ drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 no/ drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 pt_BR/ drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 ru/ drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 sv/ What OS are you using? Do you see any errors in the "make install" output? Can you check that output for anomolies? -Barry From info at bazzmann.com Thu Jan 2 03:29:48 2003 From: info at bazzmann.com (Marco Trevisan | Bazzmann.Com) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 03:29:48 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1 > Some question resolved, another one question. Message-ID: <3E13A41C.2050200@bazzmann.com> Thanks to suggestion from Barry, I think I resolved my troubles. I found the problem of URL inside the Default.py, in fact the default URL was changed (maybe MM picked up the name of server automatically). I changed it and it works, at now at least! :) The wrapper question was resolved changing the name of wrapper inside aliases in QMail (in fact they pointed to /wrapper and not to /mailman). I have now one more question. I used "newlist" script to make a new test list. I see that, differently to 2.0.13, alias in qmail don't be created automatically. So I read the Default.py and I see part about MTA="Manual" to print aliases... have I to set it different to reset again to automatically aliases to Qmail? Sorry for bad english, hope you understand as well! :) In any case, really great work guys, I really love this new version! :) -- Bazzmann Labs(c) - Accessibilita', usabilita', webdesign e standard W3C ::--------------------------------::---------------------------------:: http://www.bazzmann.it | Il sito ufficiale di Bazzmann Labs. http://www.bazzmann.com | La risorsa per informare e aggiornare. http://www.dev2dev.it | Elemento D2D002 From jon at csh.rit.edu Thu Jan 2 03:43:58 2003 From: jon at csh.rit.edu (Jon Parise) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 21:43:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/rmlist too bold removing entries from postfix aliases file In-Reply-To: <20030102001441.GG27856@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <20030102001441.GG27856@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20030102024358.GA26531@csh.rit.edu> On Wed, Jan 01, 2003 at 07:14:41PM -0500, Todd wrote: > I was testing out MM2.1 yesterday and created a few test lists. I was > feeling especially creative so I named them test and test2. When I used > bin/rmlist to remove "test" I found that it had also deleted the test2 > entries from data/aliases (I use postfix as my MTA). [snip] > It looks like the problem is in Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py's _do_remove(). It > simply checks that the line startswith '# STANZA START: ' + listname. This > matches any lists that start with the same string as another listname. So > If I have the lists test, test-users, and test-announce, running 'bin/rmlist > test' will remove all three lists from data/aliases. This makes it hard for > postfix to deliver mail to the list. :) [snip] > Here's the several line diff (let me know if there's a better place to post > this): I don't think a regular expression is the correct way to handle this, but you've definitely identified the problem. I like the attached patch a bit better (although Barry has the final say). -- Jon Parise (jon at csh.rit.edu) :: http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jon/ -------------- next part -------------- Index: Postfix.py =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/mailman/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py,v retrieving revision 2.18 diff -u -r2.18 Postfix.py --- Postfix.py 23 Aug 2002 20:32:05 -0000 2.18 +++ Postfix.py 2 Jan 2003 02:41:33 -0000 @@ -259,14 +259,14 @@ # filtering out a stanza, we're just looking for the proper begin # marker. if filteroutp: - if line.startswith(end): + if line.strip() == end: filteroutp = 0 # Discard the trailing blank line, but don't worry if # we're at the end of the file. infp.readline() # Otherwise, ignore the line else: - if line.startswith(start): + if line.strip() == start: # Filter out this stanza filteroutp = 1 else: From tmz at paonline.com Thu Jan 2 04:25:58 2003 From: tmz at paonline.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 22:25:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/rmlist too bold removing entries from postfix aliases file In-Reply-To: <20030102024358.GA26531@csh.rit.edu> References: <20030102001441.GG27856@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20030102024358.GA26531@csh.rit.edu> Message-ID: <20030102032558.GH27856@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jon Parise wrote: > I don't think a regular expression is the correct way to handle this, > but you've definitely identified the problem. I like the attached > patch a bit better (although Barry has the final say). Yes, much cleaner. Thanks! That's why there's the saying, "When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail." :-) - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz ============================================================================ The marvel of all history is the patience with which men and women submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments. -- William H. Borah -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+E7FGuv+09NZUB1oRAsF1AJ4uTr98w8jaB8c42vFSMustwStQqgCg/dGG rmMvWk2YA3/j9kAJpKUMz+s= =ZKl1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu Thu Jan 2 05:51:33 2003 From: wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu (Paul L. Schumacher) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 22:51:33 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing volume and issue number on digest??? Message-ID: How do I change volume and issue number on digest? thanks, Paul L. Schumacher Winona State University Computer Science Department From barry at python.org Thu Jan 2 07:08:47 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 01:08:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading References: <20030101200727.12641@smtp.ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <15891.55151.106221.716118@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "dg" == david gordon writes: dg> As I understand I have two options. The easiest way looks like dg> I just run | % cd mailman-2.1 | % ./configure | % make install dg> and that will overwrite 2.0.13 (after stopping my MTA and dg> webserver). Then there's a couple of cron and qrunner things dg> and, er, that's it? Depending on how you installed 2.0.13, you may also have to specify --prefix to configure to get it to install in the right directory. The defaults for 2.0 and 2.1 are different. You'll have to arrange to get mailmanctl to run and you'll want to update your crontab entry (see the docs). You may also have to regenerate your alias file, and I'd do a quick pass through Defaults.py to see if there are any useful new configurations you want to add to your mm_cfg.py file. dg> Or I could do a fresh install to a new directory and then move dg> my two list over manually. That seems like extra work... All depends! That's what I do, and it's just a couple of directory copies/moves. HTH, -Barry From barry at python.org Thu Jan 2 07:11:16 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 01:11:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1 Upgrading trouble. References: <3E11D6A3.9040604@bazzmann.com> <15889.62187.207538.728855@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <3E137E20.40706@bazzmann.com> Message-ID: <15891.55300.389177.612435@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "MT" == Marco Trevisan writes: MT> Have I to execute the "contrib/qmail-to-mailman.py"? MT> Do this automatically convert alias to the new ones? I'm not sure; I don't run Qmail. MT> I'm using Mailman with Plesk, I forgot to tell you. :) MT> BTW, I just noted another difference. The MM archives were MT> hosted under pipermail /public or /private directories. Every MT> archive now point to the master server account (for example): MT> http://wmge7c.bazzmann.com/pipermail/test3/ MT> And not to the lists.* URL: MT> http://lists.bazzmann.com/pipermail/test3/ MT> And it's so also for differents domains (I host differents MT> sites, .com, .net, .it and so on)... the domain for the MT> archives is the same listed above (wmge7c). MT> Some suggestion? Check DEFAULT_URL_HOST. -Barry From barry at python.org Thu Jan 2 07:20:18 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 01:20:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/rmlist too bold removing entries from postfix aliases file References: <20030102001441.GG27856@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20030102024358.GA26531@csh.rit.edu> Message-ID: <15891.55842.276100.326495@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "JP" == Jon Parise writes: JP> I don't think a regular expression is the correct way to JP> handle this, but you've definitely identified the problem. I JP> like the attached patch a bit better (although Barry has the JP> final say). Perfect, thanks! -Barry From barry at python.org Thu Jan 2 07:21:38 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 01:21:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing volume and issue number on digest??? References: Message-ID: <15891.55922.721077.900821@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "PLS" == Paul L Schumacher writes: PLS> How do I change volume and issue number on digest? In MM2.1, see the _new_volume option in the Digests category. -Barry From dhl at SPHDS.Org Thu Jan 2 08:09:35 2003 From: dhl at SPHDS.Org (David LeVine) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 23:09:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 Install Issues Message-ID: <200301020709.h0279ZG18802@ns1.sphds.org> > Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 20:33:02 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 Install Issues > From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) > > ... > > What OS are you using? Do you see any errors in the "make install" > output? Can you check that output for anomolies? > > -Barry I'm running Solaris 8 with Python 2.2.2. I ran % ./configure --with-mail-gid=other % make install The output appears completely clean. I moved my installation directory, created a new one and reran the installation. I don't see any errors, but it does look like the Makefiles are not doing what they should be. On most directories, each file to be installed is enumerated and installed within a loop, however, for the icons directory, the Makefile seems to rely on wildcard matching. That may not be a valid assumption. On the line that installs the template subdirectories, the 'install-sh -c' line has '-m 644 instead of '-m 664', so that may also be a Makefile issue. As for the messages subdirectories, those appear to be created with simple calls to mkdir rather than install and they don't appear to have permissions being set at all. Here is the complete output of 'make install' followed by a 'ls -l' of the three directories in question. David -------------- cut here ------------- % make install Creating architecture independent directories... Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/logs mkdir /usr/local/mailman/logs Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/archives mkdir /usr/local/mailman/archives Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/lists mkdir /usr/local/mailman/lists Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/locks mkdir /usr/local/mailman/locks Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/data mkdir /usr/local/mailman/data Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/spam mkdir /usr/local/mailman/spam Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/qfiles mkdir /usr/local/mailman/qfiles Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/archives/private mkdir /usr/local/mailman/archives/private Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/archives/public mkdir /usr/local/mailman/archives/public chmod o-r /usr/local/mailman/archives/private Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/bin mkdir /usr/local/mailman/bin Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/templates mkdir /usr/local/mailman/templates Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/scripts mkdir /usr/local/mailman/scripts Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/cron mkdir /usr/local/mailman/cron Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib mkdir /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/Mailman mkdir /usr/local/mailman/Mailman Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi mkdir /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging mkdir /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver mkdir /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers mkdir /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue mkdir /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers mkdir /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA mkdir /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Gui mkdir /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Gui Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Commands mkdir /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Commands Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/messages mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/icons mkdir /usr/local/mailman/icons Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/tests mkdir /usr/local/mailman/tests Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/tests/bounces mkdir /usr/local/mailman/tests/bounces Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/tests/msgs mkdir /usr/local/mailman/tests/msgs Creating architecture dependent directories... Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin mkdir /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin Creating directory hierarchy /usr/local/mailman/mail mkdir /usr/local/mailman/mail for f in mmsitepass newlist rmlist add_members list_members remove_members clone_member update arch sync_members check_db withlist check_perms find_member version config_list list_lists dumpdb cleanarch list_admins genaliases change_pw mailmanctl qrunner inject unshunt fix_url.py convert.py transcheck b4b5-archfix list_owners; \ do \ .././install-sh -c -m 755 ../build/bin/$f /usr/local/mailman/bin; \ done for f in crontab.in; \ do \ .././install-sh -c -m 644 $f /usr/local/mailman/cron; \ done for f in checkdbs mailpasswds senddigests gate_news nightly_gzip bumpdigests disabled; \ do \ .././install-sh -c -m 755 ../build/cron/$f /usr/local/mailman/cron; \ done .././install-sh -c -m 644 ./*.jpg ./*.png /usr/local/mailman/icons for d in bin cron scripts tests; \ do \ dir=/usr/local/mailman/$d; \ .././install-sh -c -m 644 paths.py $dir; \ done .././install-sh -c -m 755 mailman /usr/local/mailman/scripts for p in email-2.4.3 JapaneseCodecs-1.4.9 KoreanCodecs-2.0.5; \ do \ gunzip -c ./$p.tar.gz | tar xf -; \ (cd $p ; umask 02 ; PYTHONPATH=/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib /usr/local/bin/python setup.py --quiet install --install-lib /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib --install-purelib /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib --install-data /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib); \ done for f in ./*.py; \ do \ .././install-sh -c -m 644 $f /usr/local/mailman/Mailman; \ done .././install-sh -c -m 644 mm_cfg.py.dist /usr/local/mailman/Mailman if [ ! -f /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py ]; \ then \ .././install-sh -c -m 644 mm_cfg.py.dist /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py; \ fi for d in Cgi Logging Archiver Handlers Bouncers Queue MTA Gui Commands; \ do \ (cd $d; make install); \ done for f in *.py; \ do \ ../.././install-sh -c -m 644 ./$f /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi; \ done for f in *.py; \ do \ ../.././install-sh -c -m 644 ./$f /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging; \ done for f in __init__.py Archiver.py HyperArch.py HyperDatabase.py pipermail.py; \ do \ ../.././install-sh -c -m 644 ./$f /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver; \ done for f in *.py; \ do \ ../.././install-sh -c -m 644 ./$f /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers; \ done for f in *.py; \ do \ ../.././install-sh -c -m 644 ./$f /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers; \ done for f in *.py; \ do \ ../.././install-sh -c -m 644 ./$f /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue; \ done for f in *.py; \ do \ ../.././install-sh -c -m 644 ./$f /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA; \ done for f in *.py; \ do \ ../.././install-sh -c -m 644 ./$f /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Gui; \ done for f in *.py; \ do \ ../.././install-sh -c -m 644 ./$f /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Commands; \ done for f in bounces confirm driver join leave owner post request; \ do \ .././install-sh -c -m 644 ./$f /usr/local/mailman/scripts; \ done .././install-sh -c -m 644 ./bounces /usr/local/mailman/scripts/admin .././install-sh -c -m 644 ./join /usr/local/mailman/scripts/subscribe .././install-sh -c -m 644 ./leave /usr/local/mailman/scripts/unsubscribe for f in admindb admin confirm create edithtml listinfo options private rmlist roster subscribe; \ do \ exe=/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/$f; \ .././install-sh -c -m 755 $f $exe; \ chmod g+s $exe; \ done for f in mailman; \ do \ .././install-sh -c -m 755 $f /usr/local/mailman/mail; \ chmod g+s /usr/local/mailman/mail/$f; \ done for d in big5 cs en es et de fi fr gb hu it ja ko lt nl no pt_BR ru sv; \ do \ ./../mkinstalldirs /usr/local/mailman/templates/$d; \ for f in ./$d/*.html ./$d/*.txt; \ do \ .././install-sh -c -m 644 $f /usr/local/mailman/templates/$d; \ done; \ done mkdir /usr/local/mailman/templates/big5 mkdir /usr/local/mailman/templates/cs mkdir /usr/local/mailman/templates/en mkdir /usr/local/mailman/templates/es mkdir /usr/local/mailman/templates/et mkdir /usr/local/mailman/templates/de mkdir /usr/local/mailman/templates/fi mkdir /usr/local/mailman/templates/fr mkdir /usr/local/mailman/templates/gb mkdir /usr/local/mailman/templates/hu mkdir /usr/local/mailman/templates/it mkdir /usr/local/mailman/templates/ja mkdir /usr/local/mailman/templates/ko mkdir /usr/local/mailman/templates/lt mkdir /usr/local/mailman/templates/nl mkdir /usr/local/mailman/templates/no mkdir /usr/local/mailman/templates/pt_BR mkdir /usr/local/mailman/templates/ru mkdir /usr/local/mailman/templates/sv Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/messages/cs/LC_MESSAGES mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/cs mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/cs/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/messages/de/LC_MESSAGES mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/de mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/de/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/messages/es/LC_MESSAGES mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/es mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/es/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/messages/et/LC_MESSAGES mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/et mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/et/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/messages/fi/LC_MESSAGES mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/fi mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/fi/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/messages/fr/LC_MESSAGES mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/fr mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/fr/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/messages/hu/LC_MESSAGES mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/hu mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/hu/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/messages/it/LC_MESSAGES mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/it mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/it/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/messages/ja/LC_MESSAGES mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/ja mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/ja/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/messages/ko/LC_MESSAGES mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/ko mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/ko/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/messages/lt/LC_MESSAGES mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/lt mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/lt/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/messages/nl/LC_MESSAGES mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/nl mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/nl/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/messages/no/LC_MESSAGES mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/no mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/no/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/messages/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/pt_BR mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/messages/ru/LC_MESSAGES mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/ru mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/ru/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/messages/sv/LC_MESSAGES mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/sv mkdir /usr/local/mailman/messages/sv/LC_MESSAGES for f in ./test*.py ./*Base.py; \ do \ .././install-sh -c -m 644 $f /usr/local/mailman/tests; \ done for f in ./onebounce.py ./fblast.py; \ do \ .././install-sh -c -m 755 $f /usr/local/mailman/tests; \ done for d in bounces msgs; \ do \ (cd $d; make install); \ done for f in ./*.txt; \ do \ ../.././install-sh -c -m 644 $f /usr/local/mailman/tests/bounces; \ done for f in ./*.txt; \ do \ ../.././install-sh -c -m 644 $f /usr/local/mailman/tests/msgs; \ done /usr/local/bin/python -c 'from compileall import *; compile_dir("/usr/local/mailman/Mailman")' Listing /usr/local/mailman/Mailman ... 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Upgrading from version 0x0 to 0x20100f0 getting rid of old source files no lists == nothing to do, exiting -------------- cut here ------------- % ls -l /usr/local/mailman/{icons,messages,templates} /usr/local/mailman/icons: total 6 -rw-r--r-- 1 dhl mailman 3049 Jan 1 22:44 gnu-head-tiny.jpg /usr/local/mailman/messages: total 32 drwxr-sr-x 3 dhl mailman 512 Jan 1 22:47 cs drwxr-sr-x 3 dhl mailman 512 Jan 1 22:47 de drwxr-sr-x 3 dhl mailman 512 Jan 1 22:47 es drwxr-sr-x 3 dhl mailman 512 Jan 1 22:47 et drwxr-sr-x 3 dhl mailman 512 Jan 1 22:47 fi drwxr-sr-x 3 dhl mailman 512 Jan 1 22:47 fr drwxr-sr-x 3 dhl mailman 512 Jan 1 22:47 hu drwxr-sr-x 3 dhl mailman 512 Jan 1 22:47 it drwxr-sr-x 3 dhl mailman 512 Jan 1 22:47 ja drwxr-sr-x 3 dhl mailman 512 Jan 1 22:47 ko drwxr-sr-x 3 dhl mailman 512 Jan 1 22:47 lt drwxr-sr-x 3 dhl mailman 512 Jan 1 22:47 nl drwxr-sr-x 3 dhl mailman 512 Jan 1 22:47 no drwxr-sr-x 3 dhl mailman 512 Jan 1 22:47 pt_BR drwxr-sr-x 3 dhl mailman 512 Jan 1 22:47 ru drwxr-sr-x 3 dhl mailman 512 Jan 1 22:47 sv /usr/local/mailman/templates: total 52 drwxr-sr-x 2 dhl mailman 1024 Jan 1 22:45 big5 drwxr-sr-x 2 dhl mailman 1024 Jan 1 22:45 cs drwxr-sr-x 2 dhl mailman 1024 Jan 1 22:46 de drwxr-sr-x 2 dhl mailman 1536 Jan 1 22:45 en drwxr-sr-x 2 dhl mailman 1024 Jan 1 22:45 es drwxr-sr-x 2 dhl mailman 1024 Jan 1 22:45 et drwxr-sr-x 2 dhl mailman 1024 Jan 1 22:46 fi drwxr-sr-x 2 dhl mailman 1536 Jan 1 22:46 fr drwxr-sr-x 2 dhl mailman 1024 Jan 1 22:46 gb drwxr-sr-x 2 dhl mailman 1536 Jan 1 22:46 hu drwxr-sr-x 2 dhl mailman 1536 Jan 1 22:46 it drwxr-sr-x 2 dhl mailman 1536 Jan 1 22:46 ja drwxr-sr-x 2 dhl mailman 1024 Jan 1 22:46 ko drwxr-sr-x 2 dhl mailman 1536 Jan 1 22:46 lt drwxr-sr-x 2 dhl mailman 1024 Jan 1 22:46 nl drwxr-sr-x 2 dhl mailman 1024 Jan 1 22:47 no drwxr-sr-x 2 dhl mailman 1024 Jan 1 22:47 pt_BR drwxr-sr-x 2 dhl mailman 1536 Jan 1 22:47 ru drwxr-sr-x 2 dhl mailman 1024 Jan 1 22:47 sv -------------- cut here ------------- > From barry at wooz.org Wed Jan 1 17:33:01 2003 > Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 20:33:02 -0500 > To: David LeVine > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 Install Issues > From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) > > >>>>> "DL" == David LeVine writes: > > DL> - Not all of the icons were copied over from the source > DL> directory into the > DL> ~mailman/icons directory during the 'make install'; only the > DL> GNU icon was, neither the Python nor the mailman icon were. > > Works for me: > > % ./configure --prefix=/tmp/xxx ... > ... > % ls /tmp/xxx/icons > gnu-head-tiny.jpg mailman-large.jpg PythonPowered.png > mailman.jpg mm-icon.png > > DL> - All of the subdirectories under > DL> ~mailman/{messages,templates} were created with permissions > DL> 02755 instead of 02775. > > Also works for me: > > % ls -l /tmp/xxx/templates/ > total 76 > drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 big5/ > drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 cs/ > drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 de/ > drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 en/ > drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 es/ > drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 et/ > drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 fi/ > drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 fr/ > drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 gb/ > drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 hu/ > drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 it/ > drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 ja/ > drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 ko/ > drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 lt/ > drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 nl/ > drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 no/ > drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 pt_BR/ > drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 ru/ > drwxrwsr-x 2 barry mailman 4096 Jan 1 11:44 sv/ > > What OS are you using? Do you see any errors in the "make install" > output? Can you check that output for anomolies? > > -Barry From christophw at alphasierrapapa.com Thu Jan 2 09:14:52 2003 From: christophw at alphasierrapapa.com (Christoph Wille) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 09:14:52 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Signup problems with MM2.0.13 Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030102091247.01e26ff8@mail.alphasierrapapa.com> I get lots of such error messages: ************** An unexpected Mailman error has occurred in MailCommandHandler.ParseMailCommands(). Here is the traceback: Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 235, in ParseMailCommands self.__dispatch[cmd](args, line, msg) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 633, in ProcessConfirmCmd self.ProcessConfirmation(cookie) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1035, in ProcessConfirmation self.ApprovedAddMember(email_addr, password, digest) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1042, in ApprovedAddMember digest, ack, admin_notif) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1137, in ApprovedAddMembers digest) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py", line 35, in SendSubscribeAck if self.welcome_msg: AttributeError: welcome_msg ************** How can I find out what exactly caused the problem? Chris From srb at umich.edu Thu Jan 2 11:52:41 2003 From: srb at umich.edu (Steve Burling) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 05:52:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with aliases In-Reply-To: <3E134A30.5000805@jsoft.com> References: <3E134A30.5000805@jsoft.com> Message-ID: <2147483647.1041486761@adsl-245-67.ns.itd.umich.edu> --On Wednesday, January 1, 2003 2:06 PM -0600 Gary Frederick wrote: > I'm trying to help someone set up a Mailman list. He has Debian, Mailman > version: 2.0.13-2 and Postfix's version: 1.1.11-2. > > He looked over the web and the archives here and is stuck. > > The problem: > > >After running newlist, I added the following to > > Postfix's alias table using postalias: > > > > icare: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post icare" > > icare-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner icare" > > icare-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd icare" > > icare-owner: icare-admin > > > > I checked in the MySQL alias table and the entries were added > > properly. > > > > I ran newaliases like the FAQs recommend, yet Postfix still complains > > when any of the above aliases are used: > > > > Dec 31 13:06:24 pavia postfix/smtpd[30397]: reject: RCPT from > > f40.pav1.hotmail.com[64.4.31.40]: 550 : User > > unknown; > > from= to= > > > > Dec 31 15:15:17 pavia postfix/smtpd[1493]: reject: RCPT from > > smtpout.ev1.net[207.44.129.133]: 550 : User > > unknown; from= to= > > > > I'm running Mailman 2.0.13 but using sendmail and can't help with > Postfix. Any clues? To which I reply: I can't remember for sure if this is required, but did you restart Postfix after adding the aliases? -- Steve ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burling University of Michigan, ICPSR Voice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 From mj2 at percomp.de Thu Jan 2 11:51:57 2003 From: mj2 at percomp.de (Matthias =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E4nichen?=) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 11:51:57 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting 2.0 to 2.1 Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030102114714.00d35e00@127.0.0.1> Hi! We just downloaded 2.1 (congratulations!) Some questions came up: 1.) we have a problem with missing lists in the lists overview, while they appear in the admin overview. Will this be fixed in 2.1, if not, what might be wrong (settings already checked, same for all lists) 2.) can we switch back to 2.0.13 easily in case we encounter a problem or do the DBs get converted somehow? Reg. From sb.list at sb.org Thu Jan 2 15:20:39 2003 From: sb.list at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 09:20:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Invite" vs. autoresponders Message-ID: I've recently discovered that vacation autoresponders will subscribe recipients to Mailman lists when they get "invited". This is not good. It makes the feature dangerous if you've promised to not subscribe anyone without their assent. Is there any way to avoid this problem, other than not using the feature? This is yet another reason to move to URLs with unique keys instead of using passwords. Such a URL could be embedded in the invitation message. - Stoney -- Stonewall Ballard stoney at sb.org http://stoney.sb.org/ From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Thu Jan 2 15:16:41 2003 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 08:16:41 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with aliases References: <3E134A30.5000805@jsoft.com> <2147483647.1041486761@adsl-245-67.ns.itd.umich.edu> Message-ID: <3E1449C9.4000803@jsoft.com> He has it up and running. Thanks for the input. It was an oops with the two aliases tables. Thanks all. Gary Steve Burling wrote: > --On Wednesday, January 1, 2003 2:06 PM -0600 Gary Frederick > wrote: > >> I'm trying to help someone set up a Mailman list. He has Debian, Mailman >> version: 2.0.13-2 and Postfix's version: 1.1.11-2. >> >> He looked over the web and the archives here and is stuck. >> trim > > > To which I reply: > > I can't remember for sure if this is required, but did you restart > Postfix after adding the aliases? > > -- Steve > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Steve Burling > University of Michigan, ICPSR Voice: +1 734 615.3779 > 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 > Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 From info at bazzmann.com Thu Jan 2 16:09:31 2003 From: info at bazzmann.com (Marco Trevisan | Bazzmann.Com) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 16:09:31 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1 No posting. Message-ID: <3E14562B.60908@bazzmann.com> Hi there! I'm sorry but I'm still in trouble... I modified the .qmail-* files regarding alias to mailman wrapper but I'm continuing to have problem on posting messages and get help from *-request (and some other problem). I have a RedHat 7.2, QMail using Plesk Control Panel 2.5. So, last version 2.0.13 worked great, no one problem. So I think settings was correct. Now I checked QMail logs and encontered messages like this: Jan 2 15:36:21 wmge7c pop3d: Connection, ip=[62.211.191.232] Jan 2 15:36:23 wmge7c qmail: 1041518183.151484 starting delivery 235: msg 2441311 to local bazzmann-it-informa-request at bazzmann.it Jan 2 15:36:23 wmge7c qmail: 1041518183.151614 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20 Jan 2 15:36:23 wmge7c Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal command: mailcmd Jan 2 15:36:23 wmge7c qmail: 1041518183.162835 delivery 235: deferral: Illegal_command:_mailcmd/ Jan 2 15:36:23 wmge7c qmail: 1041518183.162948 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 Have anyone the same configuration with a success installation? Thanks in advance, Marco -- Bazzmann Labs(c) - Accessibilita', usabilita', webdesign e standard W3C ::--------------------------------::---------------------------------:: http://www.bazzmann.it | Il sito ufficiale di Bazzmann Labs. http://www.bazzmann.com | La risorsa per informare e aggiornare. http://www.dev2dev.it | Elemento D2D002 From webperson at now.org Thu Jan 2 16:41:08 2003 From: webperson at now.org (NOW Website Coordinator) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 07:41:08 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sync_members traceback errors still there -- anyone using it successfully? Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030102073841.00cb9350@now.org> I upgraded to the very latest release of 2.1 and I still can't get sync_members to work. I get either: If I use: sync_members -f /home/lists/testing.txt list-name I get: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/sync_members", line 286, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/sync_members", line 258, in main s = email.Utils.formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace') UnboundLocalError: local variable 'enc' referenced before assignment or with different lists: sync_members -f /home/lists/email-test.txt now-test-list Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/sync_members", line 286, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/sync_members", line 275, in main name = mlist.getMemberName(laddr) or '' File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 128, in getMemberName self.__assertIsMember(member) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 113, in __assertIsMember raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member Mailman.Errors.NotAMemberError: admin at now.org Any help would be appreciated. The format of the first is just one email address per line, the format of the second file is an email address with a space and then a comma. Neither seem to make any changes to the lists. Thanks. Sarah Stapleton-Gray -------------------------------------------- Web Site Coordinator National Organization for Women http://www.now.org From jmb at 4dhispano.com Thu Jan 2 16:44:38 2003 From: jmb at 4dhispano.com (Jean-Michel Biraghi) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:44:38 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install issue on Mac OS 10.2.3 Message-ID: <20030102164438947443.GyazMail.jmb@4dhispano.com> Hi all, I use the very useful Kathleen Webb's step guide to install mailman 2.1 on Jaguar 10.2.3. I know nothing about Unix... Everything is OK till step 4 with the permissions. The two commands "make" and "bin/check_perms" are not found... and I can't go on... I've tried as administrator and root as well... It's certainly something very simple to resolve but I need help... Did somebody get the same problem ? Thanks in advance ******************************************************************* Jean-Michel Biraghi 4D Hispano 28230 Las Rozas de Madrid, Spain http://www.4dhispano.com ******************************************************************* From sebold at lcms.org Thu Jan 2 17:10:38 2003 From: sebold at lcms.org (Charles Sebold) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 10:10:38 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install issue on Mac OS 10.2.3 In-Reply-To: <20030102164438947443.GyazMail.jmb@4dhispano.com> References: <20030102164438947443.GyazMail.jmb@4dhispano.com> Message-ID: On 28 Teveth 5763, Jean-Michel Biraghi wrote: > I use the very useful Kathleen Webb's step guide to install mailman > 2.1 on Jaguar 10.2.3. I know nothing about Unix... > > Everything is OK till step 4 with the permissions. The two commands > "make" and "bin/check_perms" are not found... and I can't go > on... I've tried as administrator and root as well... It's certainly > something very simple to resolve but I need help... Did somebody get > the same problem ? If you're missing "make" then it sounds like you haven't installed the Developer's Tools CDROM - either that or the variable called "$PATH" that contains the directories in which your shell looks for things to run, is messed up. If you haven't installed the Developer's Tools, do that. If you have, then maybe we could start by posting the output of the commands "whereis make" and "echo $PATH". -- Charles Sebold 28th of Teveth, 5763 Systems Specialist, LCMS - Office of Information Systems *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily *** *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod *** From chaim at chaim.com Thu Jan 2 17:23:08 2003 From: chaim at chaim.com (chaim at chaim.com) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 08:23:08 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named korean In-Reply-To: <15889.64252.386151.280678@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <3E13F6EC.22736.21CFBFD7@localhost> Thank you for your help so far on this issue. Have you found anything new since your last email? thanx, chaim From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Thu Jan 2 17:14:10 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 16:14:10 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1 compatible MM-htdig integration patches available Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030102160406.00abde60@pop.ftel.co.uk> I have posted on sourceforge MM 2.1 compatible versions of my patches to support integration of MM with htdig. There is now a third precursor patch that needs to be applied to correct some defects in some HTML templates in the MM 2.1 distribution. The order in which the patches should be applied is as follows: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=661138&group_id=103&atid=300103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103 Let me know if you have any problems with these. From barry at python.org Thu Jan 2 17:27:48 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:27:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named korean References: <15889.64252.386151.280678@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <3E13F6EC.22736.21CFBFD7@localhost> Message-ID: <15892.26756.591400.191707@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "chaim" == writes: chaim> Thank you for your help so far on this issue. Have you chaim> found anything new since your last email? This was resolved in 2.1 final. You must have the python -devel package installed, but the test for this was broken in the pre-2.1 final configure script. -Barry From jmb at 4dhispano.com Thu Jan 2 17:30:29 2003 From: jmb at 4dhispano.com (Jean-Michel Biraghi) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 17:30:29 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install issue on Mac OS 10.2.3 In-Reply-To: <15892.24728.764843.880528@audio.gfoster.com> References: <20030102164438947443.GyazMail.jmb@4dhispano.com> <15892.24728.764843.880528@audio.gfoster.com> Message-ID: <20030102173029763157.GyazMail.jmb@4dhispano.com> Glen, Charles, I forgot to install the Developer Tools indeed. Thank's a lot. Jean-Michel Biraghi 4D Hispano El Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:54:00 -0500, Glen Foster escribi? : > Jean-Michel. > > You need to install the OS X Developer Tools to build software. > > Glen Foster > > Jean-Michel Biraghi writes: > > Hi all, > > > > I use the very useful Kathleen Webb's step guide to install mailman 2.1 > > on Jaguar 10.2.3. I know nothing about Unix... > > > > Everything is OK till step 4 with the permissions. The two commands > > "make" and "bin/check_perms" are not found... and I can't go on... I've > > tried as administrator and root as well... It's certainly something > > very simple to resolve but I need help... Did somebody get the same > > problem ? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > ******************************************************************* > > Jean-Michel Biraghi > > 4D Hispano > > 28230 Las Rozas de Madrid, Spain > > http://www.4dhispano.com > > ******************************************************************* From chaim at chaim.com Thu Jan 2 17:39:29 2003 From: chaim at chaim.com (chaim at chaim.com) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 08:39:29 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named korean In-Reply-To: <15892.26756.591400.191707@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <3E13FAC1.16912.21DEB902@localhost> On 2 Jan 2003 at 11:27, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > > >>>>> "chaim" == writes: > > chaim> Thank you for your help so far on this issue. Have you > chaim> found anything new since your last email? > > This was resolved in 2.1 final. You must have the python -devel > package installed, but the test for this was broken in the pre-2.1 > final configure script. > > -Barry > Thank you. I downloaded the package from list.org and they didn't mention anything about it being pre-2.1 beta. Can you suggest where I can find the 2.1 final and what the exact size of the file should be? thanx, chaim From barry at python.org Thu Jan 2 17:41:57 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:41:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named korean References: <15892.26756.591400.191707@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <3E13FAC1.16912.21DEB902@localhost> Message-ID: <15892.27605.938078.388792@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "chaim" == writes: chaim> Thank you. I downloaded the package from list.org and they chaim> didn't mention anything about it being pre-2.1 beta. Can chaim> you suggest where I can find the 2.1 final and what the chaim> exact size of the file should be? http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103 -Barry From g.duteil at alsim.com Thu Jan 2 17:49:37 2003 From: g.duteil at alsim.com (Guillaume Duteil) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 17:49:37 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Full personalization In-Reply-To: References: <20030102164438947443.GyazMail.jmb@4dhispano.com> Message-ID: <20030102174937.2370e703.g.duteil@alsim.com> Hello Is there a way to set "Full personalization" as default for all mailing lists ? I looked in Mailman/Default.py but I didn't find anything about it... Guizmo From kaja at daimi.au.dk Thu Jan 2 17:55:21 2003 From: kaja at daimi.au.dk (Kaja P. Christiansen) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 17:55:21 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1 compatible MM-htdig integration patches available In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030102160406.00abde60@pop.ftel.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030102160406.00abde60@pop.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <15892.28409.327389.14131@sparkle.daimi.au.dk> Hello Richard, > I have posted on sourceforge MM 2.1 compatible versions of my patches to > support integration of MM with htdig. Many thanks for making the patches so quickly. > The order in which the patches should be applied is as follows: > > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=661138&group_id=103&atid=300103 > > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103 > > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103 > > Let me know if you have any problems with these. Downloading patch 444884 gives an empty web page in my browser. Is there a problem with the link? Kaja From barry at python.org Thu Jan 2 17:58:48 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:58:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Full personalization References: <20030102164438947443.GyazMail.jmb@4dhispano.com> <20030102174937.2370e703.g.duteil@alsim.com> Message-ID: <15892.28616.233162.315849@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "GD" == Guillaume Duteil writes: GD> Is there a way to set "Full personalization" as default for GD> all mailing lists ? Nope. -Barry From Rich.West at wesmo.com Thu Jan 2 18:05:59 2003 From: Rich.West at wesmo.com (Rich West) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:05:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to 2.1 with Sendmail not mailing to list? Message-ID: <1041527159.3e147177e40d4@www.wesmo.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030102/f78c8de9/attachment.asc From khj at be.cs.appstate.edu Thu Jan 2 18:06:53 2003 From: khj at be.cs.appstate.edu (Kenneth Jacker) Date: 02 Jan 2003 12:06:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b3+/CVS --> 2.1 Upgrade Message-ID: Most of the "upgrading" suggestions relate to previous, non-CVS releases. Any different/special procedures/"gotchas" to be aware of when upgrading from a CVS (2.1b3+) distribution? Thanks, -Kenneth -- Prof Kenneth H Jacker khj at cs.appstate.edu Computer Science Dept www.cs.appstate.edu/~khj Appalachian State Univ Boone, NC 28608 USA From kaja at daimi.au.dk Thu Jan 2 18:10:15 2003 From: kaja at daimi.au.dk (Kaja P. Christiansen) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:10:15 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Thank you for MM2.1! Message-ID: <15892.29303.128262.42570@sparkle.daimi.au.dk> To Barry and the development team: Thank you for MM2.1 final, your efforts and time (and a great Christmas gift as well!) Kaja From barry at python.org Thu Jan 2 18:13:48 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:13:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b3+/CVS --> 2.1 Upgrade References: Message-ID: <15892.29516.708160.145830@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "KJ" == Kenneth Jacker writes: KJ> Any different/special procedures/"gotchas" to be aware of when KJ> upgrading from a CVS (2.1b3+) distribution? Shouldn't be. -Barry From dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us Thu Jan 2 18:18:04 2003 From: dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us (Parker, David K) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:18:04 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman rpm for RedHat 7.3? Message-ID: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC8DF@cobxchg.cobnet.org> Is there a packaged rpm for RedHat 7.3 for Mailman 2.1? David Parker Systems/Network Administrator Information Technology Services City of Bryan, Bryan Texas From barry at python.org Thu Jan 2 18:30:54 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:30:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman rpm for RedHat 7.3? References: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC8DF@cobxchg.cobnet.org> Message-ID: <15892.30542.94326.7079@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "DKP" == David K Parker writes: DKP> Is there a packaged rpm for RedHat 7.3 for Mailman 2.1? If someone wants to build and contribute one, and own responsibility for it, I'll be happy to add it as a file download on SF. -Barry From johnslists at mcswartz.org Thu Jan 2 18:34:29 2003 From: johnslists at mcswartz.org (John Swartzentruber) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 12:34:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive and web link problems with 2.1 Message-ID: <200301021734.h02HYTW05187@arthur.swartz.primatech.com> I just installed Mailman 2.1 this morning. I'm discovering a couple problems and I'm not sure if they are mine or mailman's. 1. When I go to the private archive for a list at http://mcswartz.org.swartz/mailman/private/listname, I see the usual possibilities. Unfortunately the links do not work. For example, to view archives by thread for this year, the URL is: http://mcswartz.org.swartz/mailman/private/2003q1/thread.html This doesn't work because it is missing the list name. The correct URL is: http://mcswartz.org.swartz/mailman/private/listname/2003q1/thread.html Is this a problem in Mailman, or is my configuration wrong somehow? I installed Mailman 2.1 from source into the default location. I'm running RedHat7.3, so this was not the location where Mailman 2.0.13 was installed. After everything was installed, I moved my lists to the new location (from /var/mailman/lists to /usr/local/mailman/lists). 2. I'm not sure if this is a problem or is as intended. I am running a small personal network. My server computer, which runs sendmail and apache, is inside my network and behind my firewall/router. Because of this, I need have aliases set up that allow me to access my webpages. That means that although my real site is www.mcswartz.org, I access it internally as mcswartz.org.swartz (as I showed above). My problem is that on some of the administration pages, some links link to http://mcswartz.org.swartz/mailman/... and other's link to http://www.mcswartz.org/mailman/... For example, from http://mcswartz.org.swartz/mailman/admin/listname/members, I can access all of the "configuration categories" correctly, but I cannot "Go to list archives". Even more annoying, I can only see the A's that are subscribed to my list because all of the other letters link to the www.mcswartz.org URLs, which I cannot access internally. From preyforme at hotmail.com Thu Jan 2 18:59:49 2003 From: preyforme at hotmail.com (Grant) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:59:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman rpm for RedHat 7.3? References: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC8DF@cobxchg.cobnet.org> Message-ID: > Is there a packaged rpm for RedHat 7.3 for Mailman 2.1? > I'm sure that once 2.1 has been released for a bit an RPM will be created based on RedHat 8.0. Grant From jorge.becerra at icc-cuba.com Thu Jan 2 11:04:16 2003 From: jorge.becerra at icc-cuba.com (jorge.becerra at icc-cuba.com) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 05:04:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] features or bugs ? Message-ID: <004901c2b246$50550840$040ca8c0@srvtata> Hi: I upgrade to Mailman 2.1 and found two things : 1-I have .mbox older than one year with archivers configured to one month. I recreate the files and bin/arch seems to know not much about the years, he mixes january from 2002 and 2003. Is there any way to avoid that if a have more that a year of messages on a .mbox ? 2-One reason for me to move to version 2.1 was the attachments separation, but i found that he change the last letter of the extension , for example store "myfile.xls" as "myfile.xlb", sould i have something missconfigured ? Jorge PD: English is not my first language. From John_Minkle at huntalternatives.org Thu Jan 2 17:58:45 2003 From: John_Minkle at huntalternatives.org (John_Minkle at huntalternatives.org) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:58:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lotus Notes Message-ID: All the messages I get from the mailman-users list have no body. I am using the Lotus Notes client accessing mail on a lotus notes server. I can only see the message body if I use Notes webmail. Any ideas? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030102/90c65e1f/attachment.htm From Rich.West at wesmo.com Thu Jan 2 19:13:04 2003 From: Rich.West at wesmo.com (Rich West) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:13:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman rpm for RedHat 7.3? In-Reply-To: <15892.30542.94326.7079@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC8DF@cobxchg.cobnet.org> <15892.30542.94326.7079@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <1041531184.3e148130f1d9b@www.wesmo.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030102/82f4b065/attachment.asc From rcs at malibyte.net Thu Jan 2 20:03:24 2003 From: rcs at malibyte.net (Bob Sully) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:03:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Chaning users' e-mail addy Message-ID: Greetings: Using 2.0.8 under RedHat Linux 7.3 with no problems. Is there an easy way to change a user's e-mail address in the database without having to unsubscribe/resubscribe them? Failing that, how can I do it while preserving their existing password?? I have noted the announcement of 2.1. I'm thinking about updating, but don't wish to screw with something that works fine already...! Thanks for all the good work! -- Bob -- ________________________________________ Bob Sully - Simi Valley, California, USA http://www.malibyte.net "The waiting is the hardest part." - T. Petty From stanton at virginia.edu Thu Jan 2 21:09:41 2003 From: stanton at virginia.edu (Stanton Schell) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:09:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] aliases in README.QMAIL Message-ID: <20C17471-1E8E-11D7-87B8-000393954FBE@virginia.edu> I am running qmail as my MTA and I just installed 2.1 final and was getting deferrals based on "Illegal_command:_mailcmd/" and "Illegal_command:_mailowner/". I changed the aliases for the list to use the commands "request" and "owner" instead of "mailcmd" and "mailowner" and that fixed things. However, the alias creation script in README.QMAIL contains those faulty commands... S. p.s. i want to thank the developers as well - 2.1 looks fantastic, works very well (FreeBSD, Qmail, Apache 2, Python 2.2.2 & 2.1.3) and the improvements are _so_ well-conceived - thank you! -- Stanton Schell stanton at virginia.edu h. 434.982.6189 aim. stanton at mac.com 391 Johnson #106 Charlottesville, VA 22904 From r.c.franklin at reading.ac.uk Thu Jan 2 21:11:27 2003 From: r.c.franklin at reading.ac.uk (Bob Franklin) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 20:11:27 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'advertised' setting being ignored (problem in 2.1?) Message-ID: Hi, I'm trying out version 2.1 and am having problems with the 'advertised' option. This can be changed by a list administrator and 'list_lists -a' will show or not show it, depending on the current setting. However, on the 'listinfo' page at 'http://.../mailman/listinfo/', it doesn't show up; I just get 'there currently are no publicly-advertised Mailman mailing lists' (I can get to the relevant listinfo/admin page by putting in the URL manually). I have tried a manual refresh. Is there a global setting somewhere [I haven't found one], have I missed something else, or is it a bug? Thanks in advance, - Bob -- Bob Franklin +44 (0)118 378 6630 Systems and Communications, IT Services, The University of Reading, UK From chris.a.adams at state.or.us Thu Jan 2 21:36:43 2003 From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:36:43 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] retrieve subscriber list by email? Message-ID: <002d01c2b29e$a946edd0$0b7a799f@chris> Is there a way, via email to get a list of subscribers to a list? Christopher Adams Library Systems Analyst Oregon State Library 503-378-4243 x258 chris.a.adams at state.or.us From bhilburn at frontier.net Thu Jan 2 21:59:01 2003 From: bhilburn at frontier.net (Bill Hilburn) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:59:01 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'advertised' setting being ignored (problem in 2.1?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1041541141.3e14a815c65f2@webmail.frontier.net> If I am not mistaken the URL in the list DB must match the URL for the list. So if I move a list from one server to another (different URL's) I have to run bin/fix_url to update the URL in the list DB. One way to check is the run bin/dumpdb, let it scroll, at the bottom will be the list URL, if it does not match the URL your using run bin/fix_url and see if the problem goes away. Hope This Helps! Bill Hilburn NOC Frontier Internet Quoting Bob Franklin : > Hi, > > I'm trying out version 2.1 and am having problems with the 'advertised' > option. This can be changed by a list administrator and 'list_lists -a' > will show or not show it, depending on the current setting. > > However, on the 'listinfo' page at 'http://.../mailman/listinfo/', it > doesn't show up; I just get 'there currently are no publicly-advertised > Mailman mailing lists' (I can get to the relevant listinfo/admin page by > putting in the URL manually). I have tried a manual refresh. > > Is there a global setting somewhere [I haven't found one], have I missed > something else, or is it a bug? > > Thanks in advance, > > - Bob > > > -- > Bob Franklin +44 (0)118 378 6630 > Systems and Communications, IT Services, The University of Reading, UK > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: bhilburn at frontier.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bhilburn%40frontier.net > Bill Hilburn NOC Frontier Internet ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through frontier.net webmail service! From ashley at pcraft.com Thu Jan 2 22:44:28 2003 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 14:44:28 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] vhosts (does it ever end?) Message-ID: <3E14B2BC.8020404@pcraft.com> Under MM2.0.x I created separate installations for different virtual hosts. This allowed me to create the same list name, on a different virtual host without having mailman conflict. Now, with MM2.1, how should I continue to do this? I have one single machine that hosts several domains. I need to be able to create the same list name across different domains, and have them behave as separate lists as well. So, test at virtual.domain1.com and test at virtual.domain2.com should be two separate lists. Since I'm using sendmail, and I make use of virtusertable, I need to specify each mailto address for sendmail to accept mail properly. Keeping all of this in mind, can, or will MM2.1 be able to do same-name list virtual hosting, or am I better off continuing my old setup of multiple MM installations, one for each virtual domain? -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From sebastian at talmon.net Thu Jan 2 22:53:43 2003 From: sebastian at talmon.net (Sebastian Talmon) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 22:53:43 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem when starting mailmanctl ("Cannot import runner module xxx") Message-ID: <20030102225343.C13456@rhea.tacotec.de> Hi, when I start mailmanctl (with ./mailmanctl start) it shows many errors: # ./mailmanctl start Starting Mailman's master qrunner. Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.IncomingRunner No module named _weakref Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.VirginRunner No module named _weakref Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.ArchRunner No module named _weakref Cannot import runner moduleCannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.CommandRunner No module named _weakref Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.BounceRunner No module named _weakref Mailman.Queue.NewsRunner No module named _weakref Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.OutgoingRunner No module named _weakref any ideas? I use Mailman 2.1 with Python 2.1.1 (#1, Oct 25 2001, 09:53:13) [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (SuSE)] on linux --Sebastian From barry at python.org Thu Jan 2 23:07:01 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 17:07:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] vhosts (does it ever end?) References: <3E14B2BC.8020404@pcraft.com> Message-ID: <15892.47109.151614.227217@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "AMK" == Ashley M Kirchner writes: AMK> Under MM2.0.x I created separate installations for AMK> different virtual hosts. This allowed me to create the same AMK> list name, on a different virtual host without having mailman AMK> conflict. Now, with MM2.1, how should I continue to do this? MM2.1 doesn't lift this restriction, so your best bet is to continue your current approach. However, there /is/ a semi-supported extension mechanism that you might be able to use to share one installation to do it all. See the Mailman/Site.py file for details, although there's no guarantee this will give you enough of a hook. -Barry From barry at python.org Thu Jan 2 23:09:03 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 17:09:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem when starting mailmanctl ("Cannot import runner module xxx") References: <20030102225343.C13456@rhea.tacotec.de> Message-ID: <15892.47231.459300.859906@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "ST" == Sebastian Talmon writes: | I use Mailman 2.1 with | Python 2.1.1 (#1, Oct 25 2001, 09:53:13) | [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (SuSE)] on linux Start by upgrading to Python 2.1.3. I'm not sure that's your problem, but I just tested it with that version and it worked for me: Python 2.1.3 (#1, Sep 20 2002, 16:00:46) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.3 2.96-112)] on linux2 Type "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import _weakref >>> _weakref.__file__ '/usr/local/lib/python2.1/lib-dynload/_weakref.so' -Barry From dhphllps at memphis.edu Thu Jan 2 23:32:12 2003 From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:32:12 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading plaintext patched 2.0.13 to 2.1 Message-ID: <098D3E4E-1EA2-11D7-AFBC-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> I apologize for my total ignorance of Python - the only programming I usually do is of concerts and recitals :-) The upgrading readme for 2.1 mentions problems with versions having plaintext patch #413752. I followed the links and read all that is there, and also searched the archives, but am unsure how I need to proceed. I located "if self.data_version >= mm_cfg.DATA_FILE_VERSION:" at line 611 of the /Mailman/MailList.py file. Is this what needs to be altered? Do I just make the change to that file then run ./configure? Thanks! Dan Phillips Professor of Horn, University of Memphis From bryanf at samurai.com Fri Jan 3 02:27:15 2003 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 20:27:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm2.1 - message is unparsable Message-ID: <7DF15A6C-1EBA-11D7-A3F9-000393013B04@samurai.com> I guess now that mm2.1 has been released, general questions should go here? If not, let me know and I'll send to -dev. Just installed mm2.1 and moved over some lists yesterday. Today I found the following in logs/error: Jan 02 18:58:19 2003 (35619) message is unparsable: 1041551899.569575+77534d9e5771753ab3fb0698e063c621da3b4223 Jan 02 18:58:19 2003 (35619) lost data files for filebase: 1041551899.569575+77534d9e5771753ab3fb0698e063c621da3b4223 I see there's a file with that filename in qfiles/bad which seems to be spam sent to mailman-owner. Questions - should I be worried about the "lost data files" message? - is there a 'proper' way to deal with this message, or can I just rm the file? I get a lot of spam sent to mailman-owner, so seems likely I'll get a few of these... Thanks! Bryan From barry at python.org Fri Jan 3 04:27:45 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 22:27:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1 > Some question resolved, another one question. References: <3E13A41C.2050200@bazzmann.com> Message-ID: <15893.817.295740.324569@gargle.gargle.HOWL> I don't use Qmail, so others will have to speak up, but you might look at the following two patches: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=645513&group_id=103&atid=300103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=621257&group_id=103&atid=300103 to see if they help you at all. -Barry From barry at python.org Fri Jan 3 04:35:52 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 22:35:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] features or bugs ? References: <004901c2b246$50550840$040ca8c0@srvtata> Message-ID: <15893.1304.279740.895441@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "jb" == jorge becerra writes: jb> 1-I have .mbox older than one year with archivers configured jb> to one month. I recreate the files and bin/arch seems to know jb> not much about the years, he mixes january from 2002 and jb> 2003. Is there any way to avoid that if a have more that a jb> year of messages on a .mbox ? Weird, I haven't seen this. Check the Date headers of the original messages very carefully. jb> 2-One reason for me to move to version 2.1 was the attachments jb> separation, but i found that he change the last letter of the jb> extension , for example store "myfile.xls" as "myfile.xlb", jb> sould i have something missconfigured ? This one I know about. It's because the mapping in Python's mimetypes.py picks xlb before xls for Excel files. Hmm... -Barry From barry at python.org Fri Jan 3 04:40:43 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 22:40:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting 2.0 to 2.1 References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030102114714.00d35e00@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <15893.1595.782380.567944@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "MJ" == Matthias J?nichen writes: MJ> 1.) we have a problem with missing lists in the lists MJ> overview, while they appear in the admin overview. Will this MJ> be fixed in 2.1, if not, what might be wrong (settings already MJ> checked, same for all lists) Are you using virtual hosts? You'll only see the lists on the host of the url you're hitting. Other than that I don't know why the admin and general overviews would show different lists since they use the same algorithm to decide. MJ> 2.) can we switch back to 2.0.13 easily in case we encounter a MJ> problem or do the DBs get converted somehow? Yes, of course they do! No, you cannot easily downgrade, so I'd suggest making backups first if you're concerned. -Barry From barry at python.org Fri Jan 3 04:58:27 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 22:58:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sync_members traceback errors still there -- anyone using it successfully? References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030102073841.00cb9350@now.org> Message-ID: <15893.2659.957551.316029@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "NWC" == NOW Website Coordinator writes: NWC> I upgraded to the very latest release of 2.1 and I still NWC> can't get sync_members to work. Dumb bugs on my part. Here's a patch. -Barry Index: sync_members =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/mailman/mailman/bin/sync_members,v retrieving revision 2.12 diff -u -r2.12 sync_members --- sync_members 2 Dec 2002 14:45:53 -0000 2.12 +++ sync_members 3 Jan 2003 03:55:24 -0000 @@ -244,6 +244,7 @@ print _('Nothing to do.') sys.exit(0) + enc = sys.getdefaultencoding() # addrs contains now all the addresses that need removing for laddr, (name, addr) in needsadding.items(): pw = Utils.MakeRandomPassword() @@ -262,6 +263,7 @@ for laddr, addr in addrs.items(): # Should be a member, otherwise our test above is broken + name = mlist.getMemberName(laddr) or '' if not dryrun: try: mlist.ApprovedDeleteMember(addr, admin_notif=notifyadmin, @@ -272,8 +274,6 @@ # reasons is in the database. Use a lower level remove to # get rid of this member's entry mlist.removeMember(addr) - name = mlist.getMemberName(laddr) or '' - enc = sys.getdefaultencoding() s = email.Utils.formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace') print _('Removed: %(s)s') From barry at python.org Fri Jan 3 05:09:15 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 23:09:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive and web link problems with 2.1 References: <200301021734.h02HYTW05187@arthur.swartz.primatech.com> Message-ID: <15893.3307.440058.868208@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "JS" == John Swartzentruber writes: JS> 1. When I go to the private archive for a list at JS> http://mcswartz.org.swartz/mailman/private/listname, I see the ---------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Wow, I wasn't aware that "swartz" was a new TLD. :) JS> Is this a problem in Mailman, or is my configuration wrong JS> somehow? I installed Mailman 2.1 from source into the default JS> location. I'm running RedHat7.3, so this was not the location JS> where Mailman 2.0.13 was installed. After everything was JS> installed, I moved my lists to the new location (from JS> /var/mailman/lists to /usr/local/mailman/lists). Check your Defaults.py and mm_cfg.py files to see if things like PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL make sense. JS> 2. I'm not sure if this is a problem or is as intended. I am JS> running a small personal network. My server computer, which JS> runs sendmail and apache, is inside my network and behind my JS> firewall/router. Because of this, I need have aliases set up JS> that allow me to access my webpages. That means that although JS> my real site is www.mcswartz.org, I access it internally as JS> mcswartz.org.swartz (as I showed above). Ah. JS> My problem is that on some of the administration pages, some JS> links link to http://mcswartz.org.swartz/mailman/... and JS> other's link to http://www.mcswartz.org/mailman/... JS> For example, from JS> http://mcswartz.org.swartz/mailman/admin/listname/members, I JS> can access all of the "configuration categories" correctly, JS> but I cannot "Go to list archives". Even more annoying, I can JS> only see the A's that are subscribed to my list because all of JS> the other letters link to the www.mcswartz.org URLs, which I JS> cannot access internally. I don't think Mailman's gong to work to well this way. Basically, you can't give lists multiple personalities. You'll probably have to do some fancy redirections with Apache to make this work. -Barry From barry at python.org Fri Jan 3 05:10:56 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 23:10:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman rpm for RedHat 7.3? References: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC8DF@cobxchg.cobnet.org> <15892.30542.94326.7079@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1041531184.3e148130f1d9b@www.wesmo.com> Message-ID: <15893.3408.370631.721481@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "RW" == Rich West writes: RW> I rolled an RPM earlier today. If anyone finds it useful, RW> feel free to use it. RW> ftp://ftp.wesmo.com/pub/redhat/i386/mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm RW> ftp://ftp.wesmo.com/pub/redhat/SRPMS/mailman-2.1-1.src.rpm RW> Now the idea of "own responsibility" might be a little RW> shaky. :) Can people email you if they have questions or problems with the RPMs? OTOH, maybe we should simply include links to your RPMs from the Mailman web pages? -Barry From barry at python.org Fri Jan 3 05:16:05 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 23:16:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'advertised' setting being ignored (problem in 2.1?) References: Message-ID: <15893.3717.154300.717418@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "BF" == Bob Franklin writes: BF> I'm trying out version 2.1 and am having problems with the BF> 'advertised' option. This can be changed by a list BF> administrator and 'list_lists -a' will show or not show it, BF> depending on the current setting. BF> However, on the 'listinfo' page at BF> 'http://.../mailman/listinfo/', it doesn't show up; I just get BF> 'there currently are no publicly-advertised Mailman mailing BF> lists' (I can get to the relevant listinfo/admin page by BF> putting in the URL manually). I have tried a manual refresh. BF> Is there a global setting somewhere [I haven't found one], BF> have I missed something else, or is it a bug? They won't show up if the url you're using doesn't match the virtual host the lists are on. Try setting VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW=0 in your mm_cfg.py file. -Barry From barry at python.org Fri Jan 3 05:19:43 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 23:19:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading plaintext patched 2.0.13 to 2.1 References: <098D3E4E-1EA2-11D7-AFBC-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> Message-ID: <15893.3935.12540.218747@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "DP" == Dan Phillips writes: DP> I apologize for my total ignorance of Python - the only DP> programming I usually do is of concerts and recitals :-) Cool! One of these days we definitely need a Mailman jam session. :) DP> The upgrading readme for 2.1 mentions problems with versions DP> having plaintext patch #413752. I followed the links and read DP> all that is there, and also searched the archives, but am DP> unsure how I need to proceed. I guess you've applied the patch? You would have had to do it explicitly since it wasn't a supported patch. See the comments in that patch if you have, for a link to a solution. -Barry From barry at python.org Fri Jan 3 05:24:25 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 23:24:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm2.1 - message is unparsable References: <7DF15A6C-1EBA-11D7-A3F9-000393013B04@samurai.com> Message-ID: <15893.4217.668123.125412@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "BF" == Bryan Fullerton writes: BF> I guess now that mm2.1 has been released, general questions BF> should go here? If not, let me know and I'll send to -dev. Yes. For now, I'm reading this list and trying to answer questions just to get folks familiar with 2.1. At some point I'm going to fall behind and start relying on you guys to help point me to threads I need to read. BF> Just installed mm2.1 and moved over some lists BF> yesterday. Today I found the following in logs/error: | Jan 02 18:58:19 2003 (35619) message is unparsable: | 1041551899.569575+77534d9e5771753ab3fb0698e063c621da3b4223 | Jan 02 18:58:19 2003 (35619) lost data files for filebase: | 1041551899.569575+77534d9e5771753ab3fb0698e063c621da3b4223 BF> I see there's a file with that filename in qfiles/bad which BF> seems to be spam sent to mailman-owner. BF> Questions - should I be worried about the "lost data files" BF> message? - is there a 'proper' way to deal with this message, BF> or can I just rm the file? BF> I get a lot of spam sent to mailman-owner, so seems likely BF> I'll get a few of these... This is normal, and no, you don't need to worry about the lost data files. In fact, once you get comfortable that the only bad messages are spam, you can set QRUNNER_SAVE_BAD_MESSAGES=0 in your mm_cfg.py to just discard them. Legit mail should almost never be unparseable. Even broken mail readers (yes they're out there ;) should be able to get message that are close. Mailman can parse messages are only slightly broken, but some are just hosed beyond repair. Those are the bad messages, and they've always been spam IME. -Barry From dshaw at jabberwocky.com Fri Jan 3 07:52:54 2003 From: dshaw at jabberwocky.com (David Shaw) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 01:52:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Race condition with summary moderation screen? Message-ID: <20030103065254.GJ3303@jabberwocky.com> I just upgraded to 2.1 and noticed an interesting race condition with the summary version of the moderation page. Take this timeline: 1) user at example.com sends 3 messages to the list 2) moderator visits summary moderation page and sees the 3 messages 3) user at example.com sends another message to the list 4) moderator clicks "discard" and submits The end result is that Mailman discards 4 messages, including the latest one that the moderator did not get to see. This does not happen with the old-style "details" version of the moderation page. David -- David Shaw | dshaw at jabberwocky.com | WWW http://www.jabberwocky.com/ +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." - Jeremy S. Anderson From lj at mandala-designs.com Fri Jan 3 10:17:49 2003 From: lj at mandala-designs.com (ljacobs ) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 04:17:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with MM 2.1 Message-ID: <200301030417.AA40764286@mandala-designs.com> I had been running MM 2.0.13 for some time now. I upgraded to 2.1 on my test system, RH 8 running Postfix 2 and had no problems. SO I upgraded my production system, RH 7.1 with Postfix 1.1.11 and am now unable to send messages to the lists. I have tried running configure with -prefixes that I thought made sense, and have included the most recent config right here: ./configure --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python --exec-prefix=/usr/local/bin/ --with-cgi-gid=apache --prefix=/home/mailman --with-mail-gid=postfix I have also tried "--with-mail-gid=mailman and nobody. Currently the error in the Postfix maillog file: Jan 3 04:05:37 tulku postfix/local[6680]: DBB7C3EF1: to=, relay=local, delay=30, status=bounced (Command died with status 1: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test") and I am unable to get any messages to my lists. I would appreciate any suggestions you could provide. Thanks. ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mandala-designs.com From bw at his.com Fri Jan 3 11:39:29 2003 From: bw at his.com (Bill Whitacre) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 05:39:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X? Message-ID: Is anyone here using Mailman on OS X? I've followed the instructions put together by Kathleen Webb at but keep getting this when I try to create a 'test' list: > [ibb-80:~] mailman% /Applications/mailman/bin/newlist > Enter the name of the list: test > Enter the email of the person running the list: bw at his.com > Initial test password: > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/Applications/mailman/bin/newlist", line 220, in ? > main() > File "/Applications/mailman/bin/newlist", line 169, in main > mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw) > File "/Applications/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 782, in Create > Utils.MakeDirTree(os.path.join(mm_cfg.LIST_DATA_DIR, name)) > File "/Applications/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 265, in > MakeDirTree > os.mkdir(made_part, perms) > OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: > '/Applications/mailman/lists/test' > [ibb-80:~] mailman% I could sure use some hints on what might be wrong. Thanks. bw --- Bill Whitacre bw at his.com From sebastian at talmon.net Fri Jan 3 12:04:32 2003 From: sebastian at talmon.net (Sebastian Talmon) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:04:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem when starting mailmanctl ("Cannot import runner module xxx") In-Reply-To: <15892.47231.459300.859906@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <20030102225343.C13456@rhea.tacotec.de> <15892.47231.459300.859906@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20030103120432.A18137@rhea.tacotec.de> Hi, * Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > > Start by upgrading to Python 2.1.3. I'm not sure that's your problem, > but I just tested it with that version and it worked for me: thank you! Yes, that was the problem. btw, the futures in the new Version are very nice - good work! --Sebastian From info at bazzmann.com Fri Jan 3 12:02:54 2003 From: info at bazzmann.com (Marco Trevisan | Bazzmann.Com) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 12:02:54 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] aliases in README.QMAIL In-Reply-To: <20C17471-1E8E-11D7-87B8-000393954FBE@virginia.edu> References: <20C17471-1E8E-11D7-87B8-000393954FBE@virginia.edu> Message-ID: <3E156DDE.2060400@bazzmann.com> Stanton Schell wrote: > "Illegal_command:_mailowner/". I changed the aliases for the list to > use the commands "request" and "owner" instead of "mailcmd" and > "mailowner" and that fixed things. So you changed this line inside .qmail-list-* : |preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman mailcmd listname ^^^^^^^ with the "request" and "owner" command? I'll try to do. What about normal posting? Does it work properly? -- Bazzmann Labs(c) - Accessibilita', usabilita', webdesign e standard W3C ::--------------------------------::---------------------------------:: http://www.bazzmann.it | Il sito ufficiale di Bazzmann Labs. http://www.bazzmann.com | La risorsa per informare e aggiornare. http://www.dev2dev.it | Elemento D2D002 From brianr at bjsystems.co.uk Fri Jan 3 12:45:56 2003 From: brianr at bjsystems.co.uk (Brian Read) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 11:45:56 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personalization in 2.1 Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030103114433.015c5750@server01> Just installed 2.1 over the top of 2.1rc3. No problems. However am looking for the "personalization" parameter in the web interface, but can't find it. Cheers Brian Brian J Read www.abandonmicrosoft.co.uk www.theonlineorganiser.com www.thepersonalknowledgebase.com Mitel SMEserver Contributions and Howtos: www.abandonmicrosoft.co.uk/abandon/links.html +44 1695 723723 From johnslists at mcswartz.org Fri Jan 3 14:55:51 2003 From: johnslists at mcswartz.org (John Swartzentruber) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 08:55:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive and web link problems with 2.1 In-Reply-To: <15893.3307.440058.868208@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <200301031355.h03DtpW11835@arthur.swartz.primatech.com> On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 23:09:15 -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > >>>>>> "JS" == John Swartzentruber writes: > > JS> 1. When I go to the private archive for a list at > JS> http://mcswartz.org.swartz/mailman/private/listname, I see the >---------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >Wow, I wasn't aware that "swartz" was a new TLD. :) Well, you learn something new every day :-) > JS> Is this a problem in Mailman, or is my configuration wrong > JS> somehow? I installed Mailman 2.1 from source into the default > JS> location. I'm running RedHat7.3, so this was not the location > JS> where Mailman 2.0.13 was installed. After everything was > JS> installed, I moved my lists to the new location (from > JS> /var/mailman/lists to /usr/local/mailman/lists). > >Check your Defaults.py and mm_cfg.py files to see if things like >PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL make sense. It has the default value in Default.py, and I haven't overridden it in mm_cfg.py. It is: PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s' It seems that if this value were bad, it would not get me to the main archives page. As it is, I can get there fine, but the links on that page are incorrect. I don't know Python (I'm pretty much 100% C++ for the last 12 years), but if you give me some pointers, I could try to snoop around a bit. Actually, I just found something interesting. It might be an Apache configuration problem. If so and someone has a clue, I'd appreciate hearing about it. When I use this URL: http://mcswartz.org.swartz/mailman/private/listname The links (which I see are relative), leave out the "listname" part. But when I use this URL: http://mcswartz.org.swartz/mailman/private/listname/ The links include the "listname" part and work correctly. > JS> My problem is that on some of the administration pages, some > JS> links link to http://mcswartz.org.swartz/mailman/... and > JS> other's link to http://www.mcswartz.org/mailman/... > > JS> For example, from > JS> http://mcswartz.org.swartz/mailman/admin/listname/members, I > JS> can access all of the "configuration categories" correctly, > JS> but I cannot "Go to list archives". Even more annoying, I can > JS> only see the A's that are subscribed to my list because all of > JS> the other letters link to the www.mcswartz.org URLs, which I > JS> cannot access internally. > >I don't think Mailman's gong to work to well this way. Basically, you >can't give lists multiple personalities. You'll probably have to do >some fancy redirections with Apache to make this work. Couldn't Mailman produce the URLs more consistently? For example, when I look at the HTML, some of the links start with "../../../admin/", and some of them start with "http://www.mcswartz.org/mailman/admin/". The relative URLs work fine for me, but the absolute ones don't. Thanks for your help. From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu Fri Jan 3 15:58:35 2003 From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:58:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE Message-ID: <200301031459.h03EwxjI005563@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> > > What are you using for Password authentication on your system? Are you > using PAMs? What does your /etc/nsswitch.conf file look like (are you > using NIS)? NIS is used, but the mailman user account info is local to the web server. Mailman's home directory, though, is shared between the web server and the mail server. Some nsswitch.conf entries: passwd: compat group: files nis hosts: dns nis [NOTFOUND=return] files netgroup: nis automount: files nis aliases: files nis But again, I never had the list-admin authentication problem until I upgraded the Apache server. Whether the mailman list config databases before the apache upgrade had the nobody user set, I do not know. What could have changed from doing the apache upgrade? The user that CGI scripts get run by? Our cgi-scripts are working ok. Steve Rifkin steve410 at cs.jhu.edu From bryanf at samurai.com Fri Jan 3 16:22:56 2003 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:22:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm2.1 - message is unparsable In-Reply-To: <15893.4217.668123.125412@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <3C0A9BCF-1F2F-11D7-BD05-000393013B04@samurai.com> On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 11:24 PM, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > This is normal, and no, you don't need to worry about the lost data > files. In fact, once you get comfortable that the only bad messages > are spam, you can set QRUNNER_SAVE_BAD_MESSAGES=0 in your mm_cfg.py to > just discard them. I'd be comfortable discarding them now if the error logs had a little more information - the From: address at least - so I can find where mail is going if someone somehow manages to create a broken message that's legit. Never say never when there are an Internet full of users involved. ;) Bryan From david at midrange.com Fri Jan 3 17:03:31 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:03:31 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: upgrading plaintext patched 2.0.13 to 2.1 References: <098D3E4E-1EA2-11D7-AFBC-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> Message-ID: "Dan Phillips" wrote in message news:098D3E4E-1EA2-11D7-AFBC-0003936D9900 at memphis.edu... > I located "if self.data_version >= mm_cfg.DATA_FILE_VERSION:" at line > 611 of the /Mailman/MailList.py file. Is this what needs to be altered? > Do I just make the change to that file then run ./configure? Dan: I ran into this exact problem in an early beta of MM 2.1 ... you are correct, basically change the DATA_FILE_VERSION statement back to "DATA_FILE_VERSION = 21", configure, and reinstall, and it should be corrected. david From g.duteil at alsim.com Fri Jan 3 17:11:11 2003 From: g.duteil at alsim.com (Guillaume Duteil) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 17:11:11 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personalization in 2.1 In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030103114433.015c5750@server01> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030103114433.015c5750@server01> Message-ID: <20030103171111.28e94258.g.duteil@alsim.com> I am using 2.1b5 and I needed to set "OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION" to 1 in /Mailman/Default.py After doing this, I had a new option in "nondigest" section On Fri, 03 Jan 2003 11:45:56 +0000 Brian Read wrote: > Just installed 2.1 over the top of 2.1rc3. No problems. > > However am looking for the "personalization" parameter in the web > interface, but can't find it. > > Cheers > > Brian > > Brian J Read > www.abandonmicrosoft.co.uk > www.theonlineorganiser.com > www.thepersonalknowledgebase.com > Mitel SMEserver Contributions and Howtos: > www.abandonmicrosoft.co.uk/abandon/links.html > +44 1695 723723 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: g.duteil at alsim.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/g.duteil%40alsim.com > From swytch at swytchcraft.com Fri Jan 3 17:42:18 2003 From: swytch at swytchcraft.com (Swytchcraft Audio) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:42:18 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] not getting emails Message-ID: <008e01c2b347$149898b0$7700000a@Ricco> Mailman is part of my hosting plan and I am accessing it through cpanel at my admin site. I am configuring my list and have gotten pretty far except for the following: subscribed myself-got confirmation email-sent reply to confirm, but reply email came back demon saying account no longer accepts mail. also sending posts to my list and i get no emails and nothing shows in archives. im no programmer, faqs havent helped. i need explicit instructions. please help Ricco "Out of my mind, back in 5 minutes." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030103/ba221779/attachment.htm From listmom at travellercentral.com Fri Jan 3 17:49:18 2003 From: listmom at travellercentral.com (Listmom) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 08:49:18 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Htdig patch not available Message-ID: Has anyone been able to access the htdig patch (444884) for Mailman 2.1? When I follow the link on source forge, I get an empty page. -- Never raise your fist in anger. It leaves your groin unprotected. -- Tod L Glenn webmaster at travellercentral.com From bryanf at samurai.com Fri Jan 3 17:55:04 2003 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:55:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personalization in 2.1 In-Reply-To: <20030103171111.28e94258.g.duteil@alsim.com> Message-ID: <1B739160-1F3C-11D7-BD05-000393013B04@samurai.com> On Friday, January 3, 2003, at 11:11 AM, Guillaume Duteil wrote: > I am using 2.1b5 and I needed to set > "OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION" to 1 in /Mailman/Default.py Humm, this is the right setting, but you know you should not be changing Mailman/Defaults.py, right? From Defaults.py: # NEVER make site configuration changes to this file. ALWAYS make them in # mm_cfg.py instead, in the designated area. See the comments in that file # for details. Bryan From rhorer at swbell.net Fri Jan 3 17:58:11 2003 From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 10:58:11 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting 2.0 to 2.1 In-Reply-To: <15893.1595.782380.567944@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030102114714.00d35e00@127.0.0.1> <15893.1595.782380.567944@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <200301031058.11364.rhorer@swbell.net> On Thursday 02 January 2003 21:40, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > MJ> 2.) can we switch back to 2.0.13 easily in case we encounter > a MJ> problem or do the DBs get converted somehow? > > Yes, of course they do! No, you cannot easily downgrade, so I'd > suggest making backups first if you're concerned. This might be a good opportunity to remind folks that prudent system administration practice dictates one make not only frequent, scheduled backups, but also a one-off backup before upgrading software. I'm sure we all know that already, but it's easy to become complacent. Kyle -- Since the general civilizations of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. -James Madison From barry at python.org Fri Jan 3 18:07:17 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:07:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting 2.0 to 2.1 References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030102114714.00d35e00@127.0.0.1> <15893.1595.782380.567944@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <200301031058.11364.rhorer@swbell.net> Message-ID: <15893.49989.65956.925272@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "KR" == Kyle Rhorer writes: KR> This might be a good opportunity to remind folks that prudent KR> system administration practice dictates one make not only KR> frequent, scheduled backups, but also a one-off backup before KR> upgrading software. I'm sure we all know that already, but KR> it's easy to become complacent. Good reminder Kyle. BTW, for those of you upgrading a list at a time, what I do first is create a tarball in 2.0.13 before moving the directories over to 2.1. E.g. % cd /usr/local/mailman20 % tar zcvf SAFETIES/mylist.tgz lists/mylist archives/private/mylist{.mbox,} -Barry From lj at mandala-designs.com Fri Jan 3 18:35:09 2003 From: lj at mandala-designs.com (ljacobs ) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:35:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem running Mailman 2.1 on RH 7.1 Message-ID: <200301031235.AA116392652@mandala-designs.com> Folks -- In my previous note I mentioned that I had been running Mailman 2.0.13 on a RH 7.1 server. Upon upgrading to Mailman 2.1, and upgrading to python 2.2.2 and Postfix 1.1.11, I am now unable to get messages delivered. Does anyone else have experience in resolving this Postfix maillog error: ======================================================= Jan 3 04:05:37 tulku postfix/local[6680]: DBB7C3EF1: to=, relay=local, delay=30, status=bounced (Command died with status 1: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test") ======================================================= I would appreciate any suggestions you could provide. Thanks. ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mandala-designs.com From bw at his.com Fri Jan 3 19:29:46 2003 From: bw at his.com (Bill Whitacre) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:29:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman on OS X? In-Reply-To: <4F5EECF0-1F07-11D7-BABE-000393DBCE3C@his.com> Message-ID: <55EB73C4-1F49-11D7-ADF1-0003930DF104@his.com> It WORKS! I'm ELATED! I'm not sure what exactly I did, except meticulously go through Kathleen's instructions ONE MORE TIME! One hint: if you get as far as successfully creating the 'test' list but can't connect to the web portion try two things: 1) make sure you have " " around the your ScriptAlias statements in httpd.conf: Kathleen has: ScriptAlias /mailman/ /Applications/mailman/cgi-bin/ Should be : ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/Applications/mailman/cgi-bin/" 2) make sure you stop/start Apache in the Sharing System Pref -- so simple, yet so deadly! I want to thank everyone one both the web-development and mailmanusers lists for all your help and Kathleen for some really great instructions! Now, is there a way to SEARCH on mailman archives? I don't see it as an option in pipermail ... I'll bet there's a FAQ about this though so I'm going to Google it. Enjoy! bw --- On Friday, January 3, 2003, at 05:37 AM, Bill Whitacre wrote: > Is anyone here using Mailman on OS X? I've followed the instructions > put together by Kathleen Webb at > > but keep getting this when I try to create a 'test' list: > >> [ibb-80:~] mailman% /Applications/mailman/bin/newlist >> Enter the name of the list: test >> Enter the email of the person running the list: bw at his.com >> Initial test password: >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/Applications/mailman/bin/newlist", line 220, in ? >> main() >> File "/Applications/mailman/bin/newlist", line 169, in main >> mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw) >> File "/Applications/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 782, in >> Create >> Utils.MakeDirTree(os.path.join(mm_cfg.LIST_DATA_DIR, name)) >> File "/Applications/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 265, in >> MakeDirTree >> os.mkdir(made_part, perms) >> OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: >> '/Applications/mailman/lists/test' >> [ibb-80:~] mailman% > > I could sure use some hints on what might be wrong. > > Thanks. > > bw > > --- > Bill Whitacre > bw at his.com > _______________________________________________ > web-development mailing list | web-development at lists.apple.com > Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: > http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/web-development > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > --- Bill Whitacre bw at his.com From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Fri Jan 3 19:37:12 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:37:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X? In-Reply-To: ; from bw@his.com on Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 05:39:29AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030103133712.A18915@dogpound.vnet.net> * Bill Whitacre (bw at his.com) wrote: > Is anyone here using Mailman on OS X? I've followed the instructions > put together by Kathleen Webb at > > but keep getting this when I try to create a 'test' list: > > > [ibb-80:~] mailman% /Applications/mailman/bin/newlist > > Enter the name of the list: test > > Enter the email of the person running the list: bw at his.com > > Initial test password: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/Applications/mailman/bin/newlist", line 220, in ? > > main() > > File "/Applications/mailman/bin/newlist", line 169, in main > > mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw) > > File "/Applications/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 782, in Create > > Utils.MakeDirTree(os.path.join(mm_cfg.LIST_DATA_DIR, name)) > > File "/Applications/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 265, in > > MakeDirTree > > os.mkdir(made_part, perms) > > OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: > > '/Applications/mailman/lists/test' > > [ibb-80:~] mailman% Did you run check_perms? ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Friday, January 03, 2003 / 01:36PM | ---------------------------------------------- Machine independent code isn't. From swytch at swytchcraft.com Fri Jan 3 20:42:33 2003 From: swytch at swytchcraft.com (Swytchcraft Audio) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:42:33 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cpanel 5 Message-ID: <01cd01c2b360$42be5f40$7700000a@Ricco> Anyone using Cpanel 5 to administer Mailman? The GUI is totally different then the programming and I need help on some basics. I am a first time user that is about 90% done but I'm stuck on a few things. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030103/9a1ffb1b/attachment.html From ashley at pcraft.com Fri Jan 3 21:20:12 2003 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 13:20:12 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Getting hostname... References: <3E15EDE6.4040001@pcraft.com> Message-ID: <3E15F07C.8000100@pcraft.com> Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: > > How can I get the list hostname in MTA/Utils.py ? I'm hacking the > _makealiases routines and I need to get the list hostname to add it. > Nevermind. Got it from mm_cfg.DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST (once defined) -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From ashley at pcraft.com Fri Jan 3 21:09:10 2003 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 13:09:10 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting hostname... Message-ID: <3E15EDE6.4040001@pcraft.com> How can I get the list hostname in MTA/Utils.py ? I'm hacking the _makealiases routines and I need to get the list hostname to add it. -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 3 19:52:32 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 18:52:32 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: upgrading plaintext patched 2.0.13 to 2.1 In-Reply-To: References: <098D3E4E-1EA2-11D7-AFBC-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030103185005.046ab348@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 16:03 03/01/2003, David Gibbs wrote: >"Dan Phillips" wrote in message >news:098D3E4E-1EA2-11D7-AFBC-0003936D9900 at memphis.edu... > > I located "if self.data_version >= mm_cfg.DATA_FILE_VERSION:" at line > > 611 of the /Mailman/MailList.py file. Is this what needs to be altered? > > Do I just make the change to that file then run ./configure? > >Dan: > >I ran into this exact problem in an early beta of MM 2.1 ... you are >correct, basically change the DATA_FILE_VERSION statement back to >"DATA_FILE_VERSION = 21", configure, and reinstall, and it should be >corrected. > >david And if you look in the UPGRADING file in the MM 2.1 distribution you'll find Barry has referenced a patch which you can apply to MM 2.1 source to deal with the problem: - If you've applied patch #413752 (coerce to plaintext), then your upgraded will not go smoothly. Take a look at patch #651406 for an unofficial solution. http://sf.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=300103&func=detail&aid=413752 http://sf.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=300103&func=detail&aid=651406 From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu Fri Jan 3 21:35:43 2003 From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:35:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE Message-ID: <200301032036.h03Ka8jI027879@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> Just did another reinstall of 2.0.13. Again, installed with no problems. Check_perm ran fine... again And, the list ownerships for the config.db file for my test list is: -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 3169 Jan 03 11:57 config.db (owned and group-owned by mailman) Then, I log into the list as the site admin, and change the lists's admin's password. When I do, the config.db file now has these attributes: -rw-rw---- 1 nobody mailman 3169 Jan 03 14:35 config.db Yes, nobody has replaced mailman as owner again And the list admin gets an authentication error trying to log in to its list. If, as site admin, I once again change the list admin's pwd (this time to a longer password, so that hopefully, config.db would change size) and log out, the config.db file remains the same size with the updated timestamp. -rw-rw---- 1 nobody mailman 3169 Jan 03 14:36 config.db Still owned by nobody! (yet, still group-owned by mailman) And still not allowing list admin's to log in... onl log in... only site admin and users can log in. (and this happens to all of our lists). Running check_perms again (now that "nobody" is the owner and mailman is the group owner of the config.db files), I still receive "No problems found" Since the only signs of error are 1) the "Authentication failed" error for the list admins, and 2) config.db doesn't looks as if it is updated [comparing the size of the of current and previous config.db files]... ...is there any way to do a trace of what is happening? Can python be used for this? It's almost as if the list admin password being changed by the site admin never really updates the config.db file. Oh, I even tried the setup using the mailman group consisting of mailman and nobody. Steve Rifkin steve410 at cs.jhu.edu From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 3 21:39:21 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 20:39:21 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Htdig patch not available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030103203553.03d1edd0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 16:49 03/01/2003, Listmom wrote: >Has anyone been able to access the htdig patch (444884) for Mailman 2.1? >When I follow the link on source forge, I get an empty page. >-- >Never raise your fist in anger. It leaves your groin unprotected. >-- >Tod L Glenn >webmaster at travellercentral.com This is a result of some problem with sourceforge and all depends on what version of what browser on what OS. Results have ranged from blank page through a partial page to a full page with links to the files. I reported it to the sourceforge people this morning and they have emailed me this afternoon to say the problem has been fixed. Since then I have been able to access the full page with both IE and Netscape and access the posted patch file. If anyone is still having problems I can email the patch file as an attachment but please ask only if it is strictly necessary. From jaearick at colby.edu Fri Jan 3 22:03:28 2003 From: jaearick at colby.edu (Jeff A. Earickson) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:03:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade: 2.0.13 to 2.1, searchable archives? Message-ID: Howdy, I successfully upgraded from 2.0.13 to 2.1 today, with minimal fuss and pain. Some comments: a) I can no longer get sync_members to work. It always gives the following error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/bin/sync_members", line 286, in ? main() File "/opt/mailman/bin/sync_members", line 258, in main s = email.Utils.formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace') UnboundLocalError: local variable 'enc' referenced before assignment I really miss sync_members... b) The ability to turn off RFC2369 mail headers on a per-list basis is a huge win for me, for a few cranky list-owners that hated seeing the list management stuff in Eudora. Thank you, thank you. c) The ability to turn off subscribe/unsubscribe passwords and/or list-owner confirmation on a per-list basis would also be a help. After converting from majordomo to Mailman, some of my old list-owners hate the password thing, and so are less than happy with Mailman (I am however). Question: How to I get searchable archives? Like http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ for my own mailing-list archives? How come this doesn't come as a part of Mailman? --- Jeff Earickson From Sandella40 at aol.com Fri Jan 3 22:06:09 2003 From: Sandella40 at aol.com (Sandella40 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:06:09 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mistake Message-ID: <19b.e8e2b28.2b475541@aol.com> I signed up for mailman user by mistake. I need to know how to unsubscribe. Please Help! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030103/2ad60063/attachment.htm From webperson at now.org Fri Jan 3 22:15:53 2003 From: webperson at now.org (NOW Website Coordinator) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 13:15:53 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sync_members now works great In-Reply-To: <15893.2659.957551.316029@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030102073841.00cb9350@now.org> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030103131347.00b8ee20@now.org> At 10:58 PM 01/02/2003 -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > >>>>> "NWC" == NOW Website Coordinator writes: > > NWC> I upgraded to the very latest release of 2.1 and I still > NWC> can't get sync_members to work. > >Dumb bugs on my part. Here's a patch. >-Barry Thanks for the patch! All is well (at least after I dug in to the Unix "tr" command and got rid of those commas in the weird list I'd been given -- it's sometimes used just to put addresses in the BCC field, so it's a list with a comma after every address, and of course one address has two addresses on a line). Thanks for everything, including 2.1. From raquel at thericehouse.net Fri Jan 3 22:18:42 2003 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:18:42 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mistake In-Reply-To: <19b.e8e2b28.2b475541@aol.com> References: <19b.e8e2b28.2b475541@aol.com> Message-ID: <20030103131842.21658d71.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:06:09 EST Sandella40 at aol.com wrote: > I signed up for mailman user by mistake. I need to know how to > unsubscribe. > > Please Help! > I don't suppose you'd consider looking at the bottom of every post that comes from the list? -- Raquel ============================================================ We gain strength, and courage, and confidence by each experience in which we really stop to look fear in the face... we must do that which we cannot. --Eleanor Roosevelt From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Sat Jan 4 00:24:40 2003 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 18:24:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about fixing an install.. Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030103181115.0647ae18@mail.wingfoot.org> I am still running 2.1b5, and would like to upgrade to 2.1RC1... but I'd like to resolve this one eetsy problem. I had failed to create the "mailman" list as the first list in my install. I have since done so--but I still get the cron error: Site list is missing: mailman So I figure, hey.. I want to upgrade to RC1... is there a way I can make this a smooth transition and fix this error? Can I back up my old lists, then back up my mailman directory, install the new version, create the mailman list, and finally import all the settings and such into the new install? Will this cause any of my list owners grief? Thanks! Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear "Religion is for those who do what they are told regardless of what is right. Spirituality is for those who do what is right regardless of what they are told." -- unattributed From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Sat Jan 4 00:43:53 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 23:43:53 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade: 2.0.13 to 2.1, searchable archives? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030103232202.03a37320@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 21:03 03/01/2003, Jeff A. Earickson wrote: >Howdy, > >I successfully upgraded from 2.0.13 to 2.1 today, with minimal fuss >and pain. Some comments: > >a) I can no longer get sync_members to work. It always gives the >following error: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/opt/mailman/bin/sync_members", line 286, in ? > main() > File "/opt/mailman/bin/sync_members", line 258, in main > s = email.Utils.formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace') > UnboundLocalError: local variable 'enc' referenced before assignment > >I really miss sync_members... > >b) The ability to turn off RFC2369 mail headers on a per-list basis >is a huge win for me, for a few cranky list-owners that hated seeing >the list management stuff in Eudora. Thank you, thank you. > >c) The ability to turn off subscribe/unsubscribe passwords and/or >list-owner confirmation on a per-list basis would also be a help. >After converting from majordomo to Mailman, some of my old list-owners >hate the password thing, and so are less than happy with Mailman >(I am however). > >Question: How to I get searchable archives? Like > >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >for my own mailing-list archives? How come this doesn't come as >a part of Mailman? The www.mail-archive.com site use the htdig search engine which is available from http://htdig.org and is also included in several Linux distributions. However, that site uses the MHonArc archiving software rather than MM's builtin Pipermail archiver. One approach to integrating builtin-Pipermail-archiver constructed MM archives with htdig is to apply the following patches in the order given to a MM 2.1 build directory: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=661138&group_id=103&atid=300103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103 You will find a comprehensive INSTALL.htdig-mm document is available in the MM build directory after applying patch #444884 You might also like to check out other options with the MM FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp Note that the extra #661138 patch needed with MM 2.1 hasn't made it into the FAQ yet. >--- Jeff Earickson From barry at python.org Sat Jan 4 00:46:59 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 18:46:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about fixing an install.. References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030103181115.0647ae18@mail.wingfoot.org> Message-ID: <15894.8435.226643.781179@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "GS" == Glenn Sieb writes: GS> I am still running 2.1b5, and would like to upgrade to GS> 2.1RC1... but I'd like to resolve this one eetsy problem. GS> I had failed to create the "mailman" list as the first list in GS> my install. I have since done so--but I still get the cron GS> error: GS> Site list is missing: mailman It would be worth investigating why you still get this. You shouldn't! You cd to /usr/local/mailman and type "bin/list_lists". Does the mailman list show up there? It should. GS> So I figure, hey.. I want to upgrade to RC1... is there a way GS> I can make this a smooth transition and fix this error? Can I GS> back up my old lists, then back up my mailman directory, GS> install the new version, create the mailman list, and finally GS> import all the settings and such into the new install? Will GS> this cause any of my list owners grief? The databases for 2.1b5, 2.1rc1, and 2.1final are completely identical so your files should work just fine in any of those versions, although of course I'll recommend moving to 2.1 final instead of messing with betas or release candidates. I don't think any of those will have any effect on your site-list problem. -Barry From barry at python.org Sat Jan 4 00:47:26 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 18:47:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sync_members now works great References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030102073841.00cb9350@now.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20030103131347.00b8ee20@now.org> Message-ID: <15894.8462.725891.217830@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "NWC" == NOW Website Coordinator writes: NWC> Thanks for everything, including 2.1. Glad it's working for you now! -Barry From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jan 4 00:53:14 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 03 Jan 2003 18:53:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] not getting emails In-Reply-To: <008e01c2b347$149898b0$7700000a@Ricco> References: <008e01c2b347$149898b0$7700000a@Ricco> Message-ID: <1041637998.2396.1.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> You should talk to your hosting folks about this. I'm not familiar with CPanel but does it have a switch you need to toggle after creating a group (something that re-initializes your local mail aliases)? Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 11:42, Swytchcraft Audio wrote: > Mailman is part of my hosting plan and I am accessing it through cpanel at my admin site. I am configuring my list and have gotten pretty far except for the following: > subscribed myself-got confirmation email-sent reply to confirm, but reply email came back demon saying account no longer accepts mail. > also sending posts to my list and i get no emails and nothing shows in archives. > > im no programmer, faqs havent helped. i need explicit instructions. please help > > > > Ricco > > > "Out of my mind, back in 5 minutes." > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From barry at python.org Sat Jan 4 00:53:58 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 18:53:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade: 2.0.13 to 2.1, searchable archives? References: Message-ID: <15894.8854.974482.400263@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "JAE" == Jeff A Earickson writes: JAE> I successfully upgraded from 2.0.13 to 2.1 today, with JAE> minimal fuss and pain. Some comments: JAE> a) I can no longer get sync_members to work. It always gives JAE> the following error: Yep, known bug. I posted a patch for this a few days ago. Alternatively, you can grab the whole file from: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mailman/mailman/bin/sync_members?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup Drop this in your source directory, run config.status, and re-install. JAE> b) The ability to turn off RFC2369 mail headers on a per-list JAE> basis is a huge win for me, for a few cranky list-owners that JAE> hated seeing the list management stuff in Eudora. Thank you, JAE> thank you. You're welcome! JAE> c) The ability to turn off subscribe/unsubscribe passwords JAE> and/or list-owner confirmation on a per-list basis would also JAE> be a help. After converting from majordomo to Mailman, some JAE> of my old list-owners hate the password thing, and so are JAE> less than happy with Mailman (I am however). You know that you don't really /need/ the passwords much for subscribes and unsubscribes. Mailman will use mailback confirmations for these actions if no password is given. If users never want to modify their options, they don't need to know their password. I'm not sure what "list-owner confirmation" means. Do you mean the "Approve" option under the Privacy category for subscribe_policy? JAE> Question: How to I get searchable archives? Like JAE> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ JAE> for my own mailing-list archives? You can try the htdig patches on SourceForge. This is not officially supported right now. JAE> How come this doesn't come as a part of Mailman? I'd prefer a Pythonic solution integrated with Pipermail. Lacking that, eventually some kind of third party hook for external indexers will likely become official. I don't have any plans to distribute or bundle something like htdig. -Barry From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jan 4 00:59:19 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 03 Jan 2003 18:59:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem running Mailman 2.1 on RH 7.1 In-Reply-To: <200301031235.AA116392652@mandala-designs.com> References: <200301031235.AA116392652@mandala-designs.com> Message-ID: <1041638362.2396.6.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> Don't quote me, but doesn't "status 1" mean, that it couldn't locate (or run) the alias? Does /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman exist as an executable program? What happens if you try to run that command by hand (su as the user postfix first)? Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 12:35, ljacobs wrote: > Folks -- > > In my previous note I mentioned that I had been running Mailman 2.0.13 on a RH 7.1 server. Upon upgrading to Mailman 2.1, and upgrading to python 2.2.2 and Postfix 1.1.11, I am now unable to get messages delivered. Does anyone else have experience in resolving this Postfix maillog error: > > ======================================================= > Jan 3 04:05:37 tulku postfix/local[6680]: DBB7C3EF1: to=, relay=local, delay=30, status=bounced (Command died with status 1: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test") > > ======================================================= > > I would appreciate any suggestions you could provide. > > Thanks. > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sent via the WebMail system at mandala-designs.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From listmom at travellercentral.com Sat Jan 4 00:59:47 2003 From: listmom at travellercentral.com (Listmom) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 15:59:47 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Htdig patch not available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 20:39:21 +0000 > From: Richard Barrett > To: Listmom , > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Htdig patch not available > Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030103203553.03d1edd0 at ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> > In-Reply-To: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Precedence: list > Message: 10 > > At 16:49 03/01/2003, Listmom wrote: >> Has anyone been able to access the htdig patch (444884) for Mailman 2.1? >> When I follow the link on source forge, I get an empty page. >> -- >> Never raise your fist in anger. It leaves your groin unprotected. >> -- >> Tod L Glenn >> webmaster at travellercentral.com > > This is a result of some problem with sourceforge and all depends on what > version of what browser on what OS. Results have ranged from blank page > through a partial page to a full page with links to the files. > > I reported it to the sourceforge people this morning and they have emailed > me this afternoon to say the problem has been fixed. Since then I have been > able to access the full page with both IE and Netscape and access the > posted patch file. > > If anyone is still having problems I can email the patch file as an > attachment but please ask only if it is strictly necessary. I tried accessing the Htdig page (444884) using the following browsers without success (all blank pages): IE 5.1.6 (Macintosh) Netscape 7 Macintosh Netscape 7 Solaris 2.8 Maybe it only works for windows users? It sure isn't 'fixed'. -- listmom at travellercentral.com for list information see http://lists.travellercentral.com From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Sat Jan 4 01:16:27 2003 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 19:16:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about fixing an install.. Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030103191625.0228b5c8@mail.wingfoot.org> At 06:46 PM 1/3/2003 -0500, Barry A. Warsaw posted the following... >It would be worth investigating why you still get this. You shouldn't! I'm in full agreement with you on this :) >You cd to /usr/local/mailman and type "bin/list_lists". Does the >mailman list show up there? It should. (Stuff deleted for privacy) Mailman - [no description available] Test2 - A test list for Glenn to play with. Yup it's there... :) >The databases for 2.1b5, 2.1rc1, and 2.1final are completely identical >so your files should work just fine in any of those versions, although >of course I'll recommend moving to 2.1 final instead of messing with >betas or release candidates. I don't think any of those will have any >effect on your site-list problem. Ok cool.. I'll hang out on 2.1b5 then until 2.1 final comes out... So, what do I need to post in order to help figure out what's going on here? :-/ Thanks! Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear "Religion is for those who do what they are told regardless of what is right. Spirituality is for those who do what is right regardless of what they are told." -- unattributed From Webmaster at war-veterans.info Sat Jan 4 01:30:12 2003 From: Webmaster at war-veterans.info (Webmaster) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 01:30:12 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner wrong path Message-ID: <00b901c2b388$74e62840$3900a8c0@ROBSTOLK> I have a problem with mailman, When I send mail to the list this message is coming back: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: 554 5.4.6 Too many hops) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 5.4.6 Too many hops 26 (25 max): from via someone.com, to I think I found the problem, The error message I found is: 'usr/bin/python: can't open file '/home/mailman/cron/qrunner' and that is correct because the qrunner path must be : /home/virtual/site2/fst/usr/share/mailman/cron/qrunner The only problem is for me to find out where to change that ;-) Does anybody know where or how?? Friendly Rob Stolk Deze email is voor het verzenden gescanned op virussen door NORTON 2003 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030104/de77b272/attachment.html From ashley at pcraft.com Sat Jan 4 01:34:25 2003 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 17:34:25 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about fixing an install.. References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030103191625.0228b5c8@mail.wingfoot.org> Message-ID: <3E162C11.8090003@pcraft.com> Glenn Sieb wrote: > Ok cool.. I'll hang out on 2.1b5 then until 2.1 final comes out... 2.1 final is out. -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Sat Jan 4 01:39:02 2003 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 19:39:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about fixing an install.. In-Reply-To: <3E162C11.8090003@pcraft.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030103191625.0228b5c8@mail.wingfoot.org> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030103193824.06474d80@mail.wingfoot.org> At 05:34 PM 1/3/2003 -0700, Ashley M. Kirchner posted the following... > 2.1 final is out. D'oh.. I guess I missed the announcement.. thanks :) Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear "Religion is for those who do what they are told regardless of what is right. Spirituality is for those who do what is right regardless of what they are told." -- unattributed From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Sat Jan 4 03:07:58 2003 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 21:07:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Answer about fixing an install Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030103210447.02256008@mail.wingfoot.org> *sigh* *puts on dunce cap* *sits in corner* Mailman's crontab was pointing to /usr/local/mailman2.1 instead of /usr/local/mailman (2.1 was a test I did at one point, which ended up being rolled into /usr/local/mailman Can someone pass me the sugar-free Red Bull? My brain needs a boost LOL Thanks everyone :) Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear "Religion is for those who do what they are told regardless of what is right. Spirituality is for those who do what is right regardless of what they are told." -- unattributed From reb at taco.com Sat Jan 4 03:39:23 2003 From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 21:39:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade: 2.0.13 to 2.1, searchable archives? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030103232202.03a37320@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030103213736.0207f288@mail.taco.com> At 11:43 PM 1/3/2003 +0000, Richard Barrett wrote: >At 21:03 03/01/2003, Jeff A. Earickson wrote: >>Question: How to I get searchable archives? Like >> >>http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >>for my own mailing-list archives? How come this doesn't come as >>a part of Mailman? > >The www.mail-archive.com site use the htdig search engine which is available from http://htdig.org and is also included in several Linux distributions. However, that site uses the MHonArc archiving software rather than MM's builtin Pipermail archiver. > >One approach to integrating builtin-Pipermail-archiver constructed MM archives with htdig is to apply the following patches in the order given to a MM 2.1 build directory: > >http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=661138&group_id=103&atid=300103 >http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103 >http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103 My worry about doing this is what happens when I want to upgrade MM afterward? If I have a non-standard installation what kind of nightmare am I setting myself up for down the road? reb From chuqui at plaidworks.com Sat Jan 4 04:01:24 2003 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 19:01:24 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade: 2.0.13 to 2.1, searchable archives? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030103213736.0207f288@mail.taco.com> Message-ID: On Friday, January 3, 2003, at 06:39 PM, Phydeaux wrote: > My worry about doing this is what happens when I want to upgrade MM > afterward? If I have a non-standard installation what kind of > nightmare am > I setting myself up for down the road? > my approach is to not use pipermail. My archives are (will be...) set up using a combination of a custom tool, and mharc, which combines mhonarc and an integrated search engine. (http://www.mhonarc.org/mharc/) that way, each piece (archives and list server) are independent, so you don't have to worry about re-integrating every update. to me, it's cleaner than trying to add stuff to pipermail I'd have to maintain. given my free time, noot a good sitaution. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Architech chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/ But when that last guitar's been packed away You know that I still want to play So just make sure you got it all set to go Before you come for my piano From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Sat Jan 4 04:30:51 2003 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 22:30:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hmm.. trying to get patch 444884 (htdig integration) Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030103222938.020e3460@mail.wingfoot.org> I'm getting a blank page ("this page has no data") consistently from three different ISPs.... Is there another source to get the patches from? Thanks in advance, Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear "Religion is for those who do what they are told regardless of what is right. Spirituality is for those who do what is right regardless of what they are told." -- unattributed From alex at phred.org Sat Jan 4 06:35:59 2003 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 21:35:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1 digest headers Message-ID: <20030103213140.F22737-100000@phred.org> I recently upgraded to 2.1 from 2.0.13. A number of my users are complaining about extra headers being placed in the digests. I'm using the default setting for DEFAULT_DIGEST_PLAIN_KEEP_HEADERS which is: DEFAULT_PLAIN_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS = ['message', 'date', 'from', 'subject', 'to', 'cc', 'reply-to', 'organization'] However I'm getting many more headers. Here is an example from a digest that went out today: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 16:41:54 -0800 From: Andrejs Ozolins To: Subject: Re: Promoting Moultons Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030103162825.00a3ca60 at mail.ozolins.com> In-Reply-To: <00a201c2b343$8f46ae70$95836418 at Home> References: <175.1470bd17.2b467901 at aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8 I'm not asking for Message-ID, References, Content-Type, MIME-Version, or Precedence...where are they coming from? Also, in 2.0.13 the subject for a digest listed the number of messages contained in the digest. Is there a way to turn that back on? alex From barry at python.org Sat Jan 4 08:00:46 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 02:00:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 Install Issues References: <200301020709.h0279ZG18802@ns1.sphds.org> Message-ID: <15894.34462.459767.93904@gargle.gargle.HOWL> DL> On most directories, each file to be installed is enumerated DL> and installed within a loop, however, for the icons directory, DL> the Makefile seems to rely on wildcard matching. That may not DL> be a valid assumption. Could be a GNU Make-ism. Maybe Solaris's make doesn't do wildcarding? (It's been too long since I've been on Solaris and I'm too tired right now to look it up. ;). DL> On the line that installs the template subdirectories, the DL> 'install-sh -c' line has '-m 644 instead of '-m 664', so that DL> may also be a Makefile issue. That's correct for the files inside the template subdirs. DL> As for the messages subdirectories, those appear to be created DL> with simple calls to mkdir rather than install and they don't DL> appear to have permissions being set at all. Actually, both should be created by the mkinstalldirs script in the top level source directory. I'll have to try to find some time to build Mailman on the Solaris box in the SF compile farm. -Barry From barry at python.org Sat Jan 4 08:03:30 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 02:03:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Race condition with summary moderation screen? References: <20030103065254.GJ3303@jabberwocky.com> Message-ID: <15894.34626.537584.534190@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "DS" == David Shaw writes: DS> I just upgraded to 2.1 and noticed an interesting race DS> condition with the summary version of the moderation page. DS> Take this timeline: DS> 1) user at example.com sends 3 messages to the list 2) moderator DS> visits summary moderation page and sees the 3 messages 3) DS> user at example.com sends another message to the list 4) DS> moderator clicks "discard" and submits DS> The end result is that Mailman discards 4 messages, including DS> the latest one that the moderator did not get to see. DS> This does not happen with the old-style "details" version of DS> the moderation page. Please submit a SourceForge bug report so this one doesn't get lost. I haven't verified it, but it seems reasonable. I don't have a fix readily available, but if you submit the bug report, I'll fix this one for 2.1.1. Thanks, -Barry From barry at python.org Sat Jan 4 08:05:32 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 02:05:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with MM 2.1 References: <200301030417.AA40764286@mandala-designs.com> Message-ID: <15894.34748.1955.992662@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "l" == ljacobs writes: l> I had been running MM 2.0.13 for some time now. I upgraded to l> 2.1 on my test system, RH 8 running Postfix 2 and had no l> problems. SO I upgraded my production system, RH 7.1 with l> Postfix 1.1.11 and am now unable to send messages to the lists. l> I have tried running configure with -prefixes that I thought l> made sense, and have included the most recent config right l> here: ./configure --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python l> --exec-prefix=/usr/local/bin/ --with-cgi-gid=apache l> --prefix=/home/mailman --with-mail-gid=postfix You probably don't want to have a separate --prefix and --exec-prefix. That just makes your life more complicated and should only be used in special circumstances (if you don't know what those are, you probably don't need it. ;). Try building w/o the --exec-prefix option. -Barry From brianr at bjsystems.co.uk Sat Jan 4 08:17:38 2003 From: brianr at bjsystems.co.uk (Brian Read) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 07:17:38 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personalization in 2.1 In-Reply-To: <1B739160-1F3C-11D7-BD05-000393013B04@samurai.com> References: <20030103171111.28e94258.g.duteil@alsim.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030104071701.04abff98@server01> At 16:55 03/01/2003, Bryan Fullerton wrote: >On Friday, January 3, 2003, at 11:11 AM, Guillaume Duteil wrote: > >>I am using 2.1b5 and I needed to set "OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION" >>to 1 in /Mailman/Default.py > >Humm, this is the right setting, but you know you should not be changing >Mailman/Defaults.py, right? > > From Defaults.py: > ># NEVER make site configuration changes to this file. ALWAYS make them in ># mm_cfg.py instead, in the designated area. See the comments in that file ># for details. Thanks chaps, I'll have a go at that. Cheers Brian From barry at python.org Sat Jan 4 08:21:09 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 02:21:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE References: <200301032036.h03Ka8jI027879@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> Message-ID: <15894.35685.695344.515725@gargle.gargle.HOWL> The ownership issue is a red-herring. As long as it's group owned by mailman and it's g+rw you should be fine. I'm guessing somewhere along the way Python got upgraded and the status of the crypt libraries changed (either they were there before and not now, or vice versa). Try setting USE_CRYPT=0 in your mm_cfg.py file. A better solution would be to upgrade to MM2.1. It uses sha1 hashing, which will always be available. BTW, a debugging tool I use quite often (or the Python literate here), is to sprinkle the code with lines like: syslog('debug', 'some value: %s', somevalue) which puts the output in errors/debug. You may need to add from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog at the top of the file, if it isn't already there. -Barry From dhl at SPHDS.Org Sat Jan 4 08:53:45 2003 From: dhl at SPHDS.Org (David LeVine) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 23:53:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 Install Issues Message-ID: <200301040753.h047rjF22160@ns1.sphds.org> > Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 02:00:46 -0500 > To: David LeVine > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 Install Issues > From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) > > DL> On most directories, each file to be installed is enumerated > DL> and installed within a loop, however, for the icons directory, > DL> the Makefile seems to rely on wildcard matching. That may not > DL> be a valid assumption. > > Could be a GNU Make-ism. Maybe Solaris's make doesn't do wildcarding? > (It's been too long since I've been on Solaris and I'm too tired right > now to look it up. ;). I think the Solaris make does support wildcarding, perhaps with slightly different syntax...:^) > DL> On the line that installs the template subdirectories, the > DL> 'install-sh -c' line has '-m 644 instead of '-m 664', so that > DL> may also be a Makefile issue. > > That's correct for the files inside the template subdirs. > > DL> As for the messages subdirectories, those appear to be created > DL> with simple calls to mkdir rather than install and they don't > DL> appear to have permissions being set at all. > > Actually, both should be created by the mkinstalldirs script in the > top level source directory. > > I'll have to try to find some time to build Mailman on the Solaris box > in the SF compile farm. Thanks for the time and the support... > -Barry David From mjo at kalico.net Sat Jan 4 10:17:04 2003 From: mjo at kalico.net (Marci O'Daffer) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 01:17:04 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple admin messages Message-ID: <3E16A690.9050609@kalico.net> Hi Folks, haven't seen anything like this in the archives, maybe you can help....just upgraded to 2.1 final, and all is well, except every time there is an admin issue (e.g. a non-member post to a member-only list) I get zillions of the same admin-reminder email flooding my inbox at once! Any tips? Marci :) -- Marci O'Daffer, Managing Director HostingNorthwest.net Web Hosting and Community Resources for the Pacific Northwest http://www.HostingNorthwest.net marci at hostingnorthwest.net 360-754-7169 1-866-437-3257 x824 From sebastian at talmon.net Sat Jan 4 12:12:40 2003 From: sebastian at talmon.net (Sebastian Talmon) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 12:12:40 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with different chatsets (footer gets attached if different) Message-ID: <20030104121240.I30130@rhea.tacotec.de> Hi, on my lists (Mailman 2.1, language: DE) I have the problem that: - if the user send with charset="iso-8859-1" anything is fine - if user sends with charset=us-ascii (some mailers do if there are no german umlauts) then the footer from the mailinglist gets attached and the Message is made Content-Type: multipart/mixed --===============30524332635360873== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit asdf-- --===============30524332635360873== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable _______________________________________________ Test mailing list Test@**** http://**** --===============30524332635360873==-- Is there a way to tell mailman NOT to attach the footer with the different charset but to write it in the normal message? --Sebastian From info at bazzmann.com Sat Jan 4 17:26:36 2003 From: info at bazzmann.com (Marco Trevisan | Bazzmann.Com) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 17:26:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1 check_perms messages. Message-ID: <3E170B3C.9090102@bazzmann.com> Hola! I just re-run check_perms -v to get a detailed report and check it, it's returned me this message: Traceback (most recent call last): File "./check_perms", line 354, in ? checkdata() File "./check_perms", line 307, in checkdata mode = statmode(path) File "./check_perms", line 75, in statmode return os.stat(path)[ST_MODE] OSError: [Errno 20] Not a directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/humanacfg.tar/config.pck' What does it mean? -- Bazzmann Labs(c) - Accessibilita', usabilita', webdesign e standard W3C ::--------------------------------::---------------------------------:: http://www.bazzmann.it | Il sito ufficiale di Bazzmann Labs. http://www.bazzmann.com | La risorsa per informare e aggiornare. http://www.dev2dev.it | Elemento D2D002 From barry at python.org Sat Jan 4 17:44:19 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 11:44:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 Install Issues References: <200301040753.h047rjF22160@ns1.sphds.org> Message-ID: <15895.3939.517258.523123@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "DL" == David LeVine writes: DL> I think the Solaris make does support wildcarding, perhaps DL> with slightly different syntax...:^) Maybe you can help figure out the right syntax for Solaris make? -Barry From ed at leafe.com Sat Jan 4 17:58:49 2003 From: ed at leafe.com (Ed Leafe) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 11:58:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can users request old digests? Message-ID: I recently received a request from a user who receives and archives the digest version of the list, and due to ISP problems he recently missed a few issues. He has used lists where you can send email to the list requesting specific digest back issues; is such a capability part of Mailman? ___/ / __/ / ____/ Ed Leafe http://leafe.com/ http://foxcentral.net From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Sat Jan 4 22:00:00 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 21:00:00 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Htdig integration patch availability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030104204357.039d8678@pop3.demon.co.uk> I have had several reports of people having trouble accessing patch #444884 on sourceforge. If anyone is still having that problem then, as a temporary measure, I have made all my MM-htdig integration patches (#661138, #444879 and #444884) available via http://www.openinfo.demon.co.uk/mailman/index.html Any problems, then let me know From david at midrange.com Sat Jan 4 22:49:30 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 15:49:30 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] VERP_CONFIRMATIONS in 2.1? Message-ID: Anyone know if VERP_CONFIRMATIONS ever got expanded to support more than just invitation confirmations? david From barry at python.org Sun Jan 5 00:02:26 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 18:02:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] VERP_CONFIRMATIONS in 2.1? References: Message-ID: <15895.26626.498339.162966@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "DG" == David Gibbs writes: DG> Anyone know if VERP_CONFIRMATIONS ever got expanded to support DG> more than just invitation confirmations? Nope. And with the vacation program issue we'll have to discuss whether it's generally a good idea or not. -Barry From dhl at SPHDS.Org Sun Jan 5 00:15:33 2003 From: dhl at SPHDS.Org (David LeVine) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 15:15:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 Install Issues Message-ID: <200301042315.h04NFXS08846@ns1.sphds.org> I don't claim to be a developer, however, the following change to misc/Makefile.in works in my testing: -------------- cut here ------------- diff misc/Makefile.in-2.1 misc/Makefile.in 78c78,81 < $(INSTALL) -m $(FILEMODE) $(ICONS) $(ICONDIR) --- > for i in $(ICONS); \ > do \ > $(INSTALL) -m $(FILEMODE) $$i $(ICONDIR); \ > done -------------- cut here ------------- I hope that is sufficient help. Thanks! David > Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 11:44:19 -0500 > To: David LeVine > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 Install Issues > From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) > > >>>>> "DL" == David LeVine writes: > > DL> I think the Solaris make does support wildcarding, perhaps > DL> with slightly different syntax...:^) > > Maybe you can help figure out the right syntax for Solaris make? > > -Barry From jwblist at olympus.net Sun Jan 5 00:24:56 2003 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 15:24:56 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install issue on Mac OS 10.2.3 In-Reply-To: <20030102173029763157.GyazMail.jmb@4dhispano.com> References: <20030102164438947443.GyazMail.jmb@4dhispano.com> <15892.24728.764843.880528@audio.gfoster.com> <20030102173029763157.GyazMail.jmb@4dhispano.com> Message-ID: At 17:30 +0100 1/2/2003, Jean-Michel Biraghi wrote: >I forgot to install the Developer Tools indeed. Note that since the Developer Tools CD packed with "Jaguar" there have been a small but critical update, and more recently a complete new release (December 2002 Developer Tools). Hope you have a fast connection...it's a 300+ meg download [1]. (You can get a CD shipped for $19.95 plus tax.) But since you want Mailman, you likely have a fast connection. You need to be a "member" of one of Apple's developer programs, but the free (on-line) level is sufficient. Do read the license agreement...there may be some things that turn you away. http://www.apple.com/ and click on the little Developer widget to get started. I'm not sure which of the three releases is best for building. (It's impossible to provide a direct URL to the download.) --John [1] I have a 56K frame connection. I took my Windows/Linux laptop to the office basement (my ISP, where I work) and exercised our in-house 1mb DLS connection for the download (doing that avoided impacting customer traffic). Into the Linux side of the laptop. It was about 45 minutes at a reported 119.5 KB per second. Then I came home and moved the file to the Mac over Ethernet with scp, and burned a CD. -- John Baxter jwblist at olympus.net Port Ludlow, WA, USA From jwblist at olympus.net Sun Jan 5 00:29:38 2003 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 15:29:38 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lotus Notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:58 -0500 1/2/2003, John_Minkle at huntalternatives.org wrote: > >
All the messages I get from the >mailman-users list have no body. I am using the Lotus Notes client >accessing mail on a lotus notes server. I can only see the message body if >I use Notes webmail. Any ideas?
I'd bet on Lotus Notes being the problem, particularly if it's an old installation. (One has to believe IBM has improved Notes with respect to the Internet since Lotus came under their wing.) In the good old days, it appeared as if Microsoft read the mail RFCs and decided which parts to ignore whereas Lotus never heard of the existence of an RFC. (It probably wasn't really that way.) --John -- John Baxter jwblist at olympus.net Port Ludlow, WA, USA From david at midrange.com Sun Jan 5 01:14:51 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 18:14:51 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Lotus Notes References: Message-ID: "John W Baxter" wrote in message news:p05200f02ba3d1e2b4ec9@[192.168.1.50]... > (One has to believe IBM has improved Notes with respect to > the Internet since Lotus came under their wing.) One would be assuming a lot in that case. I run a number of IBM iSeries (AS/400) oriented mailing lists, and a number of my subscribers use Notes / Domino ... and I have a LOT of problems with Domino users. david From bryanf at samurai.com Sun Jan 5 03:56:43 2003 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 21:56:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm2.1 held message notice options Message-ID: <52081F20-2059-11D7-A9B0-000393013B04@samurai.com> Howdy, I notice that in mm2.1 the "a message has been held" notices to list owners/moderators now include the content of the message. When spam is held, this can result as the notice itself being tagged as spam, which causes them to be thrown in my spam folder. Is there an option to use the smaller sized notices like in 2.0.x? If not, could there be one? Thanks, Bryan From dhphllps at memphis.edu Sun Jan 5 03:58:41 2003 From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 20:58:41 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] web interface for creating new list In-Reply-To: <200301042315.h04NFXS08846@ns1.sphds.org> Message-ID: <98529938-2059-11D7-90BD-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> First, many thanks to David Gibbs for his help in answering my ignorant questions about updating a plaintext patched MM-2.0.13. My lists all seem to be functioning fine, and the enhancements to the program are amazing. Has anyone put together an OS X style StartupItems folder for the qrunner daemon? I did have one problem - trying to create a new list with the web interface generated the following: ============ Bug in Mailman version 2.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Users/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main process_request(doc, cgidata) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in process_request sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 226, in create _update_maps() File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 47, in _update_maps raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /Users/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) ================ My setup: Mac OS X Server 10.2.3 Postfix 1.1.11 Apache 1.3.27 MM-2.1 I'm guessing this is a permissions issue? The postalias command is "root:staff -rwxr-xr-x" and the data/aliases file is "mailman:mailman -rw-rw-r--" From david at midrange.com Sun Jan 5 19:15:54 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 12:15:54 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1 qrunner crashed ... Message-ID: Here's the error log entry ... Jan 04 18:25:06 2003 (13623) Uncaught runner exception: unmarshallable object Jan 04 18:25:06 2003 (13623) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 132, in _dispose mlist.Save() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 508, in Save self.SaveRequestsDb() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 138, in SaveRequestsDb self.__closedb() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 124, in __closedb marshal.dump(self.__db, fp) ValueError: unmarshallable object Jan 04 18:25:06 2003 (13623) SHUNTING: 1041726305.7114559+5b4b185eba41daeddfa4e2fb64adc9896118e4f2 Any ideas? david From david at midrange.com Sun Jan 5 19:40:16 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 12:40:16 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail performance Message-ID: Folks: The README.SENDMAIL has the following statement ... > Since Mailman usually connects via localhost (i.e. 127.0.0.1) to > the SMTP port of Sendmail, you should be sure to configure > Sendmail /not/ to do DNS verification synchronously for > localhost connections. I've got an instance of sendmail listening specifically on 127.0.0.1 ... can anyone point me to some information on how to disable synchronous dns verification in sendmail? Thanks! david From david at midrange.com Sun Jan 5 19:34:32 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 12:34:32 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce handler for MM 2.1 Message-ID: Folks: I'm trying to extend some of the bounce handling features in MM 2.1 to work with some of the MTA's that I send to (Domino being one of the most prevelent). Does anyone have some information on how to write a bounce handler? I'm not a python programmer (RPG & Java) and, although it doesn't seem that hard to hack, I can't seem to get the bounce handler modifications to work. Here's an example ... I tried adding a new entry to the patterns array in SimpleWarning.py ... (_c('\s*Delivery attempts are still pending for the following address(es):'), _c('\s*Problems usually are due to service interruptions at the receiving'), _c(r'\s*(?P\S+@\S+)\s*.*')), To catch the following bounce warning ... ----------------- After 4 days (76 hours), your message has not yet been fully delivered. Attempts to deliver the message will continue for 11 more days. No further action is required by you. Delivery attempts are still pending for the following address(es): user at host.com (host: host.com) (queue: network) Problems usually are due to service interruptions at the receiving machine. Less often, they are caused by the communication system. ----------------- But it doesn't seem to get caught. Any suggestions? Thanks! david From ivanlan at pauahtun.org Sun Jan 5 20:59:44 2003 From: ivanlan at pauahtun.org (Ivan Van Laningham) Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 12:59:44 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] illegal commands to wrapper Message-ID: <3E188EB0.71B5215D@pauahtun.org> Hi All-- I'm getting msgs with these errors in them: "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper bounces sangha" (reason: 6) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Illegal command: bounces 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 6 And it's true; wrapper doesn't know about the bounces command, even though the alias exists for it. I couldn't find anything in the FAQ, and grep -i bounce in the src for wrapper turned up nothing. What am I missing here? Metta, Ivan ---------------------------------------------- Ivan Van Laningham God N Locomotive Works http://www.pauahtun.org/ http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours From ahkitj at jnawk.net.nz Mon Jan 6 07:46:43 2003 From: ahkitj at jnawk.net.nz (Jonathan Ah Kit) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:46:43 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Debian package problems (2.1-3) Message-ID: Hi, I've thought about posting this to a Debian list, but after poking through the Mailman list, I thought I'd try here first. This upgrade has been my summer project before I wander back to t-coll -- thanks for a wonderful package, it's given me hours of enjoyment learning. :) Anyway -- could someone please help me with this? Basically, I've tried installing the latest sid package (2.1-3), and in the middleish of the install process over 2.0.13-2, I got some Python errors, this being the last of many before the installation appeared to freeze: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? main() File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main qrunner.run() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run filecnt = self._oneloop() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in _oneloop msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 144, in dequeue data = self._ext_read(dbfile) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 245, in _ext_read dict = marshal.load(fp) EOFError: EOF read where object expected Doing dpkg-reconfigure mailman doesn't seem to help things along. Poking around after that, I know I can create lists, subscribe to them and a couple other things, but I can't post. This was the bounce I got from an already-existing list: test-1 at lists.electric.gen.nz Child process of list_transport transport returned 69 (could mean service or program unavailable) from command: /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper I didn't get anything from a list I'd just created (test-4). Also, archives appear to be unavailable; I don't appear to have permission over HTTP to get at them. I'm not sure what other details people out there would want to help me, but all help y'all could give would be appreciated thanks. :) Regards, Jonathan. -- Jonathan Ah Kit - Lower Hutt - New Zealand jonathan at ah-kit.dropbear.id.au - http://www.ah-kit.dropbear.id.au/ ahkitj at paradise.net.nz - ICQ#9747234 - http://www.electric.gen.nz/ Away message: Looking for adhesive tape, not Alibrandi. From christophw at alphasierrapapa.com Mon Jan 6 09:09:33 2003 From: christophw at alphasierrapapa.com (Christoph Wille) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 09:09:33 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with possibly corrupt config.db (MM 2.0.13) Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030106090238.01e1be68@mail.alphasierrapapa.com> Problem description: the list itself is working fine for subscribed members (posting & receiving works without a hitch), however, signup does not work and admin gets an error mail (see exhibit [1]), and I also cannot sign in to the list admin page (see exhibit [2]) - I only get the following error message on login: "We're sorry, we hit a bug!" I did a check_db on the list, and it says that the database is fine. BUT in my opinion it can't. Is there a way to forcefully rebuild the config.db? Or is the only way to either rebuild the list or use a backup? I personally would like to know what could cause this problem because we already once lost a list to the same error. Chris Exhibit [1] ------------------------------------------- An unexpected Mailman error has occurred in MailCommandHandler.ParseMailCommands(). Here is the traceback: Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 235, in ParseMailCommands self.__dispatch[cmd](args, line, msg) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 633, in ProcessConfirmCmd self.ProcessConfirmation(cookie) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1035, in ProcessConfirmation self.ApprovedAddMember(email_addr, password, digest) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1042, in ApprovedAddMember digest, ack, admin_notif) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1137, in ApprovedAddMembers digest) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py", line 35, in SendSubscribeAck if self.welcome_msg: AttributeError: welcome_msg ------------------------------------------- Exhibit [2] ------------------------------------------- Jan 06 03:07:13 2003 admin(3862): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ admin(3862): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.13 -----] admin(3862): [----- Traceback ------] admin(3862): Traceback (innermost last): admin(3862): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main admin(3862): main() admin(3862): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 173, in main admin(3862): FormatConfiguration(doc, mlist, category, category_suffix, cgidata) admin(3862): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 326, in FormatConfiguration admin(3862): form.AddItem(FormatOptionsSection(category, mlist, cgi_data)) admin(3862): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 382, in FormatOptionsSection admin(3862): AddOptionsTableItem(big_table, item, category, mlist) admin(3862): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 398, in AddOptionsTableItem admin(3862): val = GetItemGuiValue(mlist, kind, varname, params) admin(3862): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 506, in GetItemGuiValue admin(3862): val = getattr(mlist, varname) admin(3862): AttributeError: welcome_msg admin(3862): [----- Python Information -----] admin(3862): sys.version = 1.5.2 (#1, Jul 5 2001, 03:02:19) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2 admin(3862): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python admin(3862): sys.prefix = /usr admin(3862): sys.exec_prefix= /usr admin(3862): sys.path = /usr admin(3862): sys.platform = linux-i386 admin(3862): [----- Environment Variables -----] admin(3862): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/html admin(3862): SERVER_ADDR: 207.44.192.103 admin(3862): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate, compress;q=0.9 admin(3862): CONTENT_LENGTH: 42 admin(3862): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 admin(3862): CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded admin(3862): PATH_TRANSLATED: /var/www/html/beginners.asp admin(3862): REMOTE_ADDR: 62.46.185.245 admin(3862): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache admin(3862): HTTP_VIA: 1.1 ISASERVER01 admin(3862): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us, en;q=0.50 admin(3862): REMOTE_PORT: 3168 admin(3862): SERVER_NAME: www.glengamoi.com admin(3862): HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive admin(3862): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 admin(3862): HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: ISO-8859-1, utf-8;q=0.66, *;q=0.66 admin(3862): HTTP_ACCEPT: text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,text/css,*/*;q=0.1 admin(3862): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/beginners.asp admin(3862): QUERY_STRING: admin(3862): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0 admin(3862): SERVER_PORT: 80 admin(3862): HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE: 300 admin(3862): HTTP_HOST: www.glengamoi.com admin(3862): REQUEST_METHOD: POST admin(3862): SERVER_SIGNATURE:
Apache/1.3.22 Server at www.glengamoi.com Port 80
admin(3862): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin admin(3862): SERVER_ADMIN: root at localhost admin(3862): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin admin(3862): PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman admin(3862): PATH_INFO: /beginners.asp admin(3862): HTTP_REFERER: http://www.glengamoi.com/mailman/admin/beginners.asp ------------------------------------------- From Brett at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca Mon Jan 6 09:13:21 2003 From: Brett at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca (Brett Delmage) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 03:13:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1 updates 'aliases' but not 'virtual-mailman'? Message-ID: Somehow, with MM 2.1 (Dec 31) I had it the virtual-mailman file, which now has one set of list entries in it. Mailman also generated the .db file, as I recall. (I may have done this myself) However, since then I have been unble to get MM to add new lists to the virtual-mailman file. I have tried both a command line bin/newlist and the http:../create form. Both methods created new lists and added correct entries in the aliases file but neither method updated the virtual-mailman file. All source and db files are owned by mailman/mailman with r+w access. Any ideas what I might have done wrong..? I have been messing with the postfix main.cf files and may have changed something relevent there. Thanks for your ideas, own observations, and confirmations. Brett From alex7688 at pchome.com.tw Mon Jan 6 09:10:36 2003 From: alex7688 at pchome.com.tw (Alex Wu) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 16:10:36 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where is "create" source code? Message-ID: <004601c2b55b$17f7c380$ce00a8c0@mm5> tcl-object.tcl : proc new { className args } { set o [SplitObject getid] if [catch "$className create $o $args" msg] { if [string match "__FAILED_SHADOW_OBJECT_" $msg] { # The shadow object failed to be allocated. delete $o return "" } global errorInfo error "class $className: constructor failed: $msg" $errorInfo } return $o This is the procedure new in tcl-object.tcl file. The procedure new calls a create command. I wanna see the create's source code. Would you please tell me where the source is? Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8F355CC0-216F-11D7-BBFC-003065BD3BD8@chem.vu.nl> On Friday, January 3, 2003, at 11:39 am, Bill Whitacre wrote: > Is anyone here using Mailman on OS X? I've followed the instructions > put together by Kathleen Webb at > > but keep getting this when I try to create a 'test' list: > >> [ibb-80:~] mailman% /Applications/mailman/bin/newlist >> Enter the name of the list: test >> Enter the email of the person running the list: bw at his.com >> Initial test password: >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/Applications/mailman/bin/newlist", line 220, in ? >> main() >> File "/Applications/mailman/bin/newlist", line 169, in main >> mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw) >> File "/Applications/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 782, in >> Create >> Utils.MakeDirTree(os.path.join(mm_cfg.LIST_DATA_DIR, name)) >> File "/Applications/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 265, in >> MakeDirTree >> os.mkdir(made_part, perms) >> OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: >> '/Applications/mailman/lists/test' >> [ibb-80:~] mailman% > > I could sure use some hints on what might be wrong. I'm not an expert, but this looks like a problem with permissions. Have you tried running check_perms, which is in the mailman/bin directory. It will tell you if all the permissions are set correctly, and if not, you can run it again to fix them. Drew ======================================== Dr. Drew McCormack (Kmr. R153) Afd. Theoretische Chemie Faculteit Exacte Wetenschappen Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam De Boelelaan 1083 1081 HV Amsterdam The Netherlands Email cormack at chem.vu.nl Telephone +31 20 44 47623 Mobile +31 6 483 21307 Fax +31 20 44 47629 From will at willspc.net Mon Jan 6 14:55:58 2003 From: will at willspc.net (Will Nordmeyer) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 08:55:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 create list web interface Message-ID: <00da01c2b58b$573751c0$6701d50a@mackerel> Hi, I tried using the web interface to create a mailing list. It claimed to have create it, but it didn't add the entries to the aliases file? Do I have a permissions issue? --Will -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Earickson, Ph.D Senior UNIX Sysadmin and Email Guru Information Technology Services Colby College, 4214 Mayflower Hill, Waterville ME, 04901-8842 phone: 207-872-3659 (fax = 3076) ----------------------------------- From Rich.West at wesmo.com Mon Jan 6 16:50:02 2003 From: Rich.West at wesmo.com (Rich West) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 10:50:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RPM/SRPM for Mailman 2.1 Message-ID: <1041868202.3e19a5aa7530e@www.wesmo.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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Jan 06 10:06:44 2003 (22141) openerp400: Discarded posting: From: winleather002 at yahoo.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Happy New Year?= Bug? david From che at debian.org Mon Jan 6 20:25:49 2003 From: che at debian.org (Ben Gertzfield) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 11:25:49 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with different chatsets (footer gets attached if different) In-Reply-To: <20030104121240.I30130@rhea.tacotec.de> References: <20030104121240.I30130@rhea.tacotec.de> Message-ID: <3E19D83D.8080109@debian.org> Sebastian Talmon wrote: >on my lists (Mailman 2.1, language: DE) I have the problem that: > > - if the user send with charset="iso-8859-1" anything is fine > > - if user sends with charset=us-ascii (some mailers do if there > are no german umlauts) then the footer from the mailinglist > gets attached and the Message is made Content-Type: multipart/mixed > >Is there a way to tell mailman NOT to attach the footer with the >different charset but to write it in the normal message? > What would happen if you did include something in the footer with iso-8859-1-only characters in it? We would HAVE to attach the footer with the different charset then. It's theoretically possible to search through the whole header/footer of each list to see if it is completely us-ascii, but this seems like a hack to me. Unless we do that, we have to assume that the footer is in the list charset (iso-8859-1) which means that us-ascii messages will get the footer attached as a MIME part. Ben From jaearick at colby.edu Mon Jan 6 20:27:49 2003 From: jaearick at colby.edu (Jeff A. Earickson) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 14:27:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing user passwords via script? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I figured out the answer to my own question, then posted it to the FAQ as question 3.16. Hope this helps somebody else. ----------------------------------- Jeff A. Earickson, Ph.D Senior UNIX Sysadmin and Email Guru Information Technology Services Colby College, 4214 Mayflower Hill, Waterville ME, 04901-8842 phone: 207-872-3659 (fax = 3076) ----------------------------------- On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, Jeff A. Earickson wrote: > Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 10:38:01 -0500 (EST) > From: Jeff A. Earickson > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing user passwords via script? > > Hi, > > I need to set the same password for every subscriber in a list, > without notifying the subscriber, via a script? Is such a script > available? > > I saw that Stefan Schleifer asked this same question on 21 May 2001 > in the Mailman list archives, but I didn't find an answer. > > ----------------------------------- > Jeff A. Earickson, Ph.D > Senior UNIX Sysadmin and Email Guru > Information Technology Services > Colby College, 4214 Mayflower Hill, > Waterville ME, 04901-8842 > phone: 207-872-3659 (fax = 3076) > ----------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jaearick at colby.edu > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jaearick%40colby.edu > From bryanf at samurai.com Mon Jan 6 20:29:16 2003 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 14:29:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm2.1 cookie problem? Message-ID: <24FBF3B6-21AD-11D7-BA64-000393013B04@samurai.com> I've run into something since I installed mm2.1 and wanted to see if anyone else is seeing it before I report it as a bug. From time to time (ah, the best kind of bug), the cookie set when logging into a list seems to "go bad" - after authenticating, any other admin operation (admin pages, admindb, list archives) results in prompting again for the password every time a link is clicked or a form submitted. At first I thought this was just something with my browser (OmniWeb 4.1.1 on MacOS X), but one of my list admins whose list I just migrated from 2.0 to 2.1 has said it's happened to him as well, and he's using IE5.5 on WinME. For me, the fix has been to quit and restart the browser - once that's done, everything works as expected. My list owner, however, had to reboot his machine (probably because IE doesn't necessarily really quit when you quit the app since it's used to much by the OS..). It's possible that this is something to do with mm2.0 <-> mm2.1 interworking, either to do with cookies set for both the old and new version of the list, or cookies set for other lists with a similar name (the list in question is called trawler-world-list-help, there's also trawler-world-list and several other trawler-world-* lists which are still mm2.0). Anyone seen this? Thanks, Bryan From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Mon Jan 6 20:49:43 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 19:49:43 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patch access problem Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030106193229.039f7970@pop3.demon.co.uk> In the light of the attached I'm starting to wonder if sourceforge is really up to the task. The support response would probably be more familiar to users of the commercial operating systems so many of us love to hate. Of course, if any of you have experienced the problem in downloading the htdig integration patch #444884 would like to add your comments to the support request, I'm sure that the sourceforge support people will appreciate the input confirming their complacency over the issue. I think that in future I will post any patches I develop on my own web site (http://www.openinfo.demon.co.uk/mailman/index.html ) in parallel to posting to sourceforge, given the potential unreliability of their delivery. >To: noreply at sourceforge.net >From: "SourceForge.net" >Subject: [ alexandria-Support Requests-661494 ] Tracker usage issue >Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 11:03:15 -0800 > >Support Requests item #661494, was opened at 2003-01-03 03:46 >You can respond by visiting: >https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=200001&aid=661494&group_id=1 > >Category: SF.net Tracker System >Group: Second Level Support >Status: Open >Priority: 5 >Submitted By: Richard Barrett (ppsys) > >Assigned to: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg (regs) >Summary: Tracker usage issue > >Initial Comment: >The following problem occurs when using different >browsers (IE 5.5, Netscape 7.0, Mozilla) on different >platforms (Win2k Linux) and have been reported to me by >other users. > >The following URL returns a blank page and should not: > >http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103 > >Using an https version of the URL returns the top half >of the page but not the list of existing files that >have been uploaded: > >https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103 > >These failures are preventing users gaining access to >the latest version of the patch that has been posted. >The updated patch file was uploaded yesterday since >when this problem has existed. Can you help identify >what the problem is?? > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Comment By: David Burley (burley) >Date: 2003-01-06 14:03 > >Message: >Logged In: YES >user_id=597273 > >Project: mailman >URL: >https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103 >reproduceablility: intermittant (reload page) > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Comment By: Richard Barrett (ppsys) >Date: 2003-01-06 13:34 > >Message: >Logged In: YES >user_id=75166 > >The same URLs as I cited in the orginal fault report. See >above and below. > >http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? >func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103 > >and > >https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? >func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=3001 > >As I write both the http and the https version of the URL are >returning the results I have been complaining about to IE 5.5 >and Netscape 7 running on Win 2k, Mozilla 0.9.4 and >Netscape 4.78 on Suse Linux 7.3. > >These results are not totally consistent and on odd occasions >the full page may be returned but retrying shortly afterwards >give the blank or truncated page. > >I hav no idea what the cause iibut it is being experienced by >multiple users using various browsers on different operating >systems.The only common element is the target URL. > >Over the weekend I was seeing the problem going via two >different ISP ADSL accounts and over our corporate 2Mbit >link. > >Over the weekend three other users of Mailman have emailed >me saying they are getting a blank page from these URLs >and asking me to email copies of the patch #444884 that >should be available through the subject URLs. > >I am now posting patches on my own web site to >compensate for the problems other users are having it getting >them via sourceforge. > >Please remember that just because you cannot observe the >problem from a machine on the same network as the server >which is getting the HTTP request for the page does not >mean it is not a real problem and not being a royal pain in the >backside to your user community. > >What follows is the text of an email I received over the >weekend. When I checked what the guy had said I found the >problem was back and has stayed. > >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Htdig patch not available >To: > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 20:39:21 +0000 > > From: Richard Barrett > > To: Listmom ,users at python.org> > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Htdig patch not available > > Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030103203553.03d1edd0 at ext- >proxy.ftel.co.uk> > > In-Reply-To: istmom at travellercentral.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Precedence: list > > Message: 10 > > > > At 16:49 03/01/2003, Listmom wrote: > >> Has anyone been able to access the htdig patch (444884) >for Mailman 2.1? > >> When I follow the link on source forge, I get an empty >page. > >> -- > >> Never raise your fist in anger. It leaves your groin >unprotected. > >> -- > >> Tod L Glenn > >> webmaster at travellercentral.com > > > > This is a result of some problem with sourceforge and all >depends on what > > version of what browser on what OS. Results have ranged >from blank page > > through a partial page to a full page with links to the files. > > > > I reported it to the sourceforge people this morning and they >have emailed > > me this afternoon to say the problem has been fixed. Since >then I have been > > able to access the full page with both IE and Netscape and >access the > > posted patch file. > > > > If anyone is still having problems I can email the patch file >as an > > attachment but please ask only if it is strictly necessary. > > >I tried accessing the Htdig page (444884) using the following >browsers >without success (all blank pages): > > >IE 5.1.6 (Macintosh) >Netscape 7 Macintosh >Netscape 7 Solaris 2.8 > > >Maybe it only works for windows users? It sure isn't 'fixed'. > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Comment By: David Burley (burley) >Date: 2003-01-06 11:54 > >Message: >Logged In: YES >user_id=597273 > >Please advise: What is a URL to where this issue can be >reproduced? To respond, add a comment to this support request. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Comment By: Richard Barrett (ppsys) >Date: 2003-01-04 05:00 > >Message: >Logged In: YES >user_id=75166 > >This problem was cleared by your previous actions but has >returned. > >I have received several reports from other users saying they >are seeing this problem and, at the moment, I am reduced to >sending out the patch file they need as an email attachment. > >Any help in fixing this problem permanently would be much >appreciated. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Comment By: David Burley (burley) >Date: 2003-01-03 08:20 > >Message: >Logged In: YES >user_id=597273 > >Greetings, > >To the best of my knowledge, this matter has now been >resolved. Should you require further assistance from the >SourceForge.net team, please re-open this support request >and add a comment. > >Thank you, > >David Burley >Second Level Support Technician, SourceForge.net >burley at sourceforge.net > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >You can respond by visiting: >https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=200001&aid=661494&group_id=1 > From sebastian at talmon.net Mon Jan 6 21:24:31 2003 From: sebastian at talmon.net (Sebastian Talmon) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:24:31 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with different chatsets (footer gets attached if different) In-Reply-To: <3E19D83D.8080109@debian.org> References: <20030104121240.I30130@rhea.tacotec.de> <3E19D83D.8080109@debian.org> Message-ID: <20030106212431.B25781@rhea.tacotec.de> * Ben Gertzfield wrote: > What would happen if you did include something in the footer with > iso-8859-1-only characters in it? We would HAVE to attach the footer > with the different charset then. hm, yes, that's right.... I see, internationalisation is not such an easy thing... *g* after I'd posted my message to this list I looked over the mailman-source-code by myself... In the file 'Decorate.py' i saw a possible sollution for my "problem": If I understand it right, then all other charsets have the us-ascii-charset in it - and: - if the Footer-Charset is us-ascii and the posted message is something like ISO-8859-1 (for example your mail) then the Footer is added without problems (yes, there are non, because the us-ascii-footer is also correct ISO-8859-1) but: - if the Footer-Charset is ISO-8859-1 (as on my lists) and someone posts messages in us-ascii then the footer gets attaches as MIME-part (technically also correct - but optically it's not so nice to have the footer as seperate atachement...) I think a good solution for this would be, to do just the same as with the us-ascii-footer on this list: to switch the whole message to the 'higher' charset and then integrate the footer as normal... For a us-ascii-Message it should be no problem to have a ISO-8859-1-Charset. I've tried this by myself, but with no luck... I don't are so familiar with the python-language... Maybe that's a thing for the wish-list? --Sebastian From bryanf at samurai.com Mon Jan 6 21:37:33 2003 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:37:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mm2.1 cookie problem? In-Reply-To: <24FBF3B6-21AD-11D7-BA64-000393013B04@samurai.com> Message-ID: On Monday, January 6, 2003, at 02:29 PM, Bryan Fullerton wrote: > From time to time (ah, the best kind of bug), the cookie set when > logging into a list seems to "go bad" - after authenticating, any > other admin operation (admin pages, admindb, list archives) results in > prompting again for the password every time a link is clicked or a > form submitted. The list-owner has sent me a follow-up email, which I've been able to confirm. When logging into a list named trawler-world-list-help (a mm2.1 list) everything works - *unless* there's already a mm2.0 cookie for the list trawler-world-list. In my browser, I see one cookie for "trawler-world-list:admin" (mm2.0) and a second for "trawler-world-list-help+admin" (mm2.1). I'm trying to find this in the cookie parsing stuff in Mailman/SecurityManager.py, but python is not my first language. :) Bryan From david at midrange.com Mon Jan 6 21:42:44 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 14:42:44 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1 -- another qrunner crash Message-ID: Any thoughts on this? Jan 06 11:11:44 2003 (13289) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 4] Interrupted system call Jan 06 11:11:45 2003 (13289) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 61, in _dispose self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 139, in process deliveryfunc(mlist, msg, msgdata, envsender, refused, conn) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 335, in bulkdeliver refused = conn.sendmail(envsender, recips, msgtext) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 61, in sendmail results = self.__conn.sendmail(envsender, recips, msgtext) File "/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 649, in sendmail (code,resp) = self.data(msg) File "/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 452, in data (code,msg)=self.getreply() File "/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 325, in getreply line = self.file.readline() IOError: [Errno 4] Interrupted system call Jan 06 11:11:45 2003 (13289) SHUNTING: 1041867350.917309+1f446e9ad4c55f50183ff7a818a95c53a2ccf1ad From che at debian.org Mon Jan 6 21:45:13 2003 From: che at debian.org (Ben Gertzfield) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 12:45:13 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with different chatsets (footer gets attached if different) In-Reply-To: <20030106212431.B25781@rhea.tacotec.de> References: <20030104121240.I30130@rhea.tacotec.de> <3E19D83D.8080109@debian.org> <20030106212431.B25781@rhea.tacotec.de> Message-ID: <3E19EAD9.6070605@debian.org> Sebastian Talmon wrote: >I think a good solution for this would be, to do just the >same as with the us-ascii-footer on this list: > >to switch the whole message to the 'higher' charset and then >integrate the footer as normal... >For a us-ascii-Message it should be no problem to have a >ISO-8859-1-Charset. > This is a possibility, but I'm a little scared of changing something so major as the Content-Type of the whole message just to avoid using separate MIME parts for the body and footer. Are there really so many people out there who are using non-MIME-compliant mail readers that this is necessary? In any MIME-compliant mail reader, the two parts should just show up together as one in the message content. Ben From dhphllps at memphis.edu Mon Jan 6 22:01:09 2003 From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:01:09 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm2.1 cookie problem? In-Reply-To: <24FBF3B6-21AD-11D7-BA64-000393013B04@samurai.com> Message-ID: I had the same problem initially. I manually deleted all the old cookies set by mailman and it worked fine. Deleting just the cookie from that list didn't help. On Monday, January 6, 2003, at 01:29 PM, Bryan Fullerton wrote: > From time to time (ah, the best kind of bug), the cookie set when > logging into a list seems to "go bad" - after authenticating, any > other admin operation (admin pages, admindb, list archives) results in > prompting again for the password every time a link is clicked or a > form submitted. > Dan From bryanf at samurai.com Mon Jan 6 22:07:27 2003 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 16:07:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm2.1 cookie problem? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Monday, January 6, 2003, at 04:01 PM, Dan Phillips wrote: > I had the same problem initially. I manually deleted all the old > cookies set by mailman and it worked fine. Deleting just the cookie > from that list didn't help. Unfortunately, in this case both of the lists are active, so they're setting cookies all the time. Telling my list-owner that he has to delete all his cookies for his other 10 mm2.0 lists on my server every time he wants to admin his mm2.1 list isn't really a good solution IMHO. :/ Bryan From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu Mon Jan 6 22:08:22 2003 From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 16:08:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE Message-ID: <200301062108.h06L8mjI018373@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> > A better solution would be to upgrade to MM2.1. It uses sha1 hashing, > which will always be available. OK, I upgraded to MM2.1. After having to run check_perms with -f to fix permissions, I finally got the web pages up. When I go in as site admin and change the list admin's password for a list, I *still* cannot log in as the list admin. (I still receive the authentication error). And if I go back into the password change page for the list as the site admin, and if I put in a new list admin password and have a *different* verified password, I receive no errors when I click submit. However, if I run "change_pw" from the command line, changing the password for the list admin for the specific list, them, I CAN log in! :) So, it's the web interface that's screwing up. We're narrowing this one down now... I hope! Any suggestions? Steve Rifkin steve410 at cs.jh.edu From yfeng at whittier.edu Mon Jan 6 22:50:38 2003 From: yfeng at whittier.edu (Feng Jeffrey) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 13:50:38 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors running CGI script Message-ID: I've been trying to install Mailman onto a FreeBSD based computer. After I created a test mailing list, I ran into an error like this when accessing the mailing list archive from the Apache server: Forbidden You don't have permission to access /pipermail/test/ on this server. Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. Apache/2.0.43 Server at listserv1.whittier.edu Port 80 Any help will be greatly appreciated. Jeffrey ********************************************************************** Jeffrey Y. Feng Associate Director Computing Services Whittier College Email: yfeng at whittier.edu Tel: (562) 907-4287 Fax: (562) 907-4987 ********************************************************************** From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net Mon Jan 6 23:22:02 2003 From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes) Date: 06 Jan 2003 14:22:02 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patch access problem In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030106193229.039f7970@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030106193229.039f7970@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <1041891724.24684.310.camel@galileo.carola.lan> On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 11:49, Richard Barrett wrote: > I think that in future I will post any patches I develop on my own web site > (http://www.openinfo.demon.co.uk/mailman/index.html > ) in parallel to posting to sourceforge, given the potential unreliability > of their delivery. Richard, You should be able to point people to the patch download url. I hope this helps. htdig-2.1-0.1.patch http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=103&atid=300103&file_id=38660&aid=444884 wget "http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=103&atid=300103&file_id=38660&aid=444884" -O htdig-2.1-0.1.patch -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ http://sitedocs.sf.net/ http://ffl.sf.net/ From sebastian at talmon.net Mon Jan 6 23:18:50 2003 From: sebastian at talmon.net (Sebastian Talmon) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 23:18:50 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with different chatsets (footer gets attached if different) In-Reply-To: <3E19EAD9.6070605@debian.org> References: <20030104121240.I30130@rhea.tacotec.de> <3E19D83D.8080109@debian.org> <20030106212431.B25781@rhea.tacotec.de> <3E19EAD9.6070605@debian.org> Message-ID: <20030106231850.A30493@rhea.tacotec.de> * Ben Gertzfield wrote >[changing the content-type of the whole message] > > Are there really so many people out there who are using > non-MIME-compliant mail readers that this is necessary? yes, there are some people out there using MS Outlook or so... there the footer is not shown in the message, but attached as a Attachement called ATT00010.txt ... > In any > MIME-compliant mail reader, the two parts should just show up together > as one in the message content. Yes, in "good" mail clients they do (I've tested NetscapeMail, Mutt, and also OutlookExpress seems to work fine with different mime-types) But... maybe, if all people using MS Outlook get messages with Attachements, they possibly start thinking about switching to a better client *g* --Sebastian From che at debian.org Mon Jan 6 23:58:25 2003 From: che at debian.org (Ben Gertzfield) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 14:58:25 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with different chatsets (footer gets attached if different) In-Reply-To: <20030106231850.A30493@rhea.tacotec.de> References: <20030104121240.I30130@rhea.tacotec.de> <3E19D83D.8080109@debian.org> <20030106212431.B25781@rhea.tacotec.de> <3E19EAD9.6070605@debian.org> <20030106231850.A30493@rhea.tacotec.de> Message-ID: <3E1A0A11.5010409@debian.org> Sebastian Talmon wrote: >* Ben Gertzfield wrote > >>Are there really so many people out there who are using >>non-MIME-compliant mail readers that this is necessary? >> > >yes, there are some people out there using MS Outlook or so... >there the footer is not shown in the message, but attached >as a Attachement called ATT00010.txt ... > I wonder if MS Outlook can be convinced to inline the footer if we specifically add: Content-Disposition: inline to the header/footer attachments. I haven't tested this at all, but this patch to Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py to add Content-Disposition: inline to any MIME'd headers and footers may make MS Outlook show the footer in the message. Can you test it and see if this fixes the "problem"? --- Decorate.py 13 Dec 2002 16:35:05 -0000 2.21 +++ Decorate.py 6 Jan 2003 22:49:37 -0000 @@ -93,7 +93,9 @@ # The next easiest thing to do is just prepend the header and append # the footer as additional subparts mimehdr = MIMEText(header, 'plain', lcset) + mimehdr['Content-Disposition'] = 'inline' mimeftr = MIMEText(footer, 'plain', lcset) + mimeftr['Content-Disposition'] = 'inline' payload = msg.get_payload() if not isinstance(payload, ListType): payload = [payload] @@ -137,9 +139,11 @@ payload = [inner] if header: mimehdr = MIMEText(header, 'plain', lcset) + mimehdr['content-disposition'] = 'inline' payload.insert(0, mimehdr) if footer: mimeftr = MIMEText(footer, 'plain', lcset) + mimeftr['content-disposition'] = 'inline' payload.append(mimeftr) msg.set_payload(payload) del msg['content-type'] From barry at python.org Tue Jan 7 01:05:09 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:05:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm2.1 cookie problem? References: <24FBF3B6-21AD-11D7-BA64-000393013B04@samurai.com> Message-ID: <15898.6581.549847.982724@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "BF" == Bryan Fullerton writes: BF> From time to time (ah, the best kind of bug), the cookie set BF> when logging into a list seems to "go bad" - after BF> authenticating, any other admin operation (admin pages, BF> admindb, list archives) results in prompting again for the BF> password every time a link is clicked or a form submitted. I've only ever seen this with lists on python.org that we upgraded from MM2.0 according to the instructions in the UPGRADING file (see UPGRADING INDIVIDUAL LISTS). I've never seen this for brand new MM2.1 lists. I've suspect it's some wacky interaction with Apache so I've tended to ignore it, so I'd like to know if the lists you're having problems with are using these rewrite rules. Indeed since Mailman's cookies are session cookies, restarting your browser should "take care" of the problem. I've also had success doing a Logout (with a couple of authentications :/ ) followed by using Mozilla's cookie manager to manually delete the cookies. Doing just one or the other never seemed to do the trick. -Barry From bryanf at samurai.com Tue Jan 7 01:22:03 2003 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:22:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm2.1 cookie problem? In-Reply-To: <15898.6581.549847.982724@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <0BB5D0B5-21D6-11D7-A56A-0003936377F0@samurai.com> On Monday, January 6, 2003, at 07:05 PM, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > I've only ever seen this with lists on python.org that we upgraded > from MM2.0 according to the instructions in the UPGRADING file (see > UPGRADING INDIVIDUAL LISTS). I've never seen this for brand new MM2.1 > lists. I've suspect it's some wacky interaction with Apache so I've > tended to ignore it, so I'd like to know if the lists you're having > problems with are using these rewrite rules. Yup, I have no doubt that it's because I'm mixing 2.0 and 2.1. And yup, I've been upgrading individual lists as per the UPGRADING instructions. Here's the rewrite rule I used for the 2.1 list: RewriteRule ^/mailman/(.*)/(trawler-world-list-help.*) \ /home/mailman-2.1/cgi-bin/$1/$2 \ [T=application/x-httpd-cgi] Once the bulk of my customers are switched, I'll ditch the rewrites and nuke 2.0, but I want to make sure they're comfortable with 2.1 first, and also keep their lists working during the transition! It's only been a problem so far with this one set of lists, where the list names are all very similar (and also rather long). And the 2.0 lists are fine, it's only been affecting the one I moved to 2.1. (I did move about a dozen other lists, which are all working perfectly, but they have no sibling lists with similar names still in 2.0) > Indeed since Mailman's cookies are session cookies, restarting your > browser should "take care" of the problem. I've also had success > doing a Logout (with a couple of authentications :/ ) followed by > using Mozilla's cookie manager to manually delete the cookies. Doing > just one or the other never seemed to do the trick. Did something change with the cookie handling between 2.0 and 2.1? (besides "yes, everything" :). I note that the list/login delimiter in the cookie name is now + instead of : - is that somehow throwing off the new parser? I briefly looked at SecurityManager.py and Cgi/admin.py, but I haven't yet been able to figure out if the cookie parsing stuff is entirely Mailman code, or if it's using cookie stuff from Python too (though my Python version is the same for both - hrm). Originally I thought perhaps the list-name in the cookie handling code was being truncated, so the cookie for "trawler-world-list-help" was being clobbered by the one for "trawler-world-list", but I haven't noticed any length limitations in the code. I suspect that my list-owner using IE on WinME didn't really need to reboot - I'll get him to try deleting the cookie manually for his 2.0 list and see if that helps. Bryan From info at bazzmann.com Tue Jan 7 01:29:09 2003 From: info at bazzmann.com (Marco Trevisan | Bazzmann.Com) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 01:29:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1 > Footer user variable. Message-ID: <3E1A1F55.5030004@bazzmann.com> Hi there! This question was sent some weeks ago and Barry kindly replied that would be present in 2.1 release... so... :) Which variable I have to use to generate this one: "This message was sent to: info at bazzmann.com" In my own lists footer? Thanks! :) Marco -- Bazzmann Labs(c) - Accessibilita', usabilita', webdesign e standard W3C ::--------------------------------::---------------------------------:: http://www.bazzmann.it | Il sito ufficiale di Bazzmann Labs. http://www.bazzmann.com | La risorsa per informare e aggiornare. http://www.dev2dev.it | Elemento D2D002 From barry at python.org Tue Jan 7 01:42:25 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:42:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm2.1 cookie problem? References: <15898.6581.549847.982724@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <0BB5D0B5-21D6-11D7-A56A-0003936377F0@samurai.com> Message-ID: <15898.8817.627828.73049@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "BF" == Bryan Fullerton writes: BF> Yup, I have no doubt that it's because I'm mixing 2.0 and BF> 2.1. And yup, I've been upgrading individual lists as per the BF> UPGRADING instructions. Here's the rewrite rule I used for the BF> 2.1 list: | RewriteRule ^/mailman/(.*)/(trawler-world-list-help.*) \ | /home/mailman-2.1/cgi-bin/$1/$2 \ | [T=application/x-httpd-cgi] Very interesting. I wonder if this could be some Apache bug or other? We're running 1.3.27 on python.org so I don't have direct experience with this bug on Apache 2.0 BF> It's only been a problem so far with this one set of lists, BF> where the list names are all very similar (and also rather BF> long). And the 2.0 lists are fine, it's only been affecting BF> the one I moved to 2.1. (I did move about a dozen other lists, BF> which are all working perfectly, but they have no sibling BF> lists with similar names still in 2.0) That's an interesting clue! BF> Did something change with the cookie handling between 2.0 and BF> 2.1? (besides "yes, everything" :). Other than everything, no nothing. :) BF> I note that the list/login delimiter in the cookie name is now BF> + instead of : - is that somehow throwing off the new parser? BF> I briefly looked at SecurityManager.py and Cgi/admin.py, but I BF> haven't yet been able to figure out if the cookie parsing BF> stuff is entirely Mailman code, or if it's using cookie stuff BF> from Python too (though my Python version is the same for both BF> - hrm). The colons did cause problems with Python's Cookie.py, as that module stood back in Oct 2001. I think the change was made when we zapped Mailman's own copy of Cookie.py for the one in Python's standard library. Sure, there could be a bug there, although I haven't seen any other reports of problems. Mailman crafts the key used to look up the cookie data (essentially a dictionary), by using the list's internal name, `+', and an "authcontext", which for the admin screens is `admin'. BF> I suspect that my list-owner using IE on WinME didn't really BF> need to reboot LOL! BF> - I'll get him to try deleting the cookie BF> manually for his 2.0 list and see if that helps. Okay. Also, what version of Python are you using? I've seen the problem with Python 2.1.3, but I don't recall seeing it since I've upgraded python.org's Mailman 2.1 to run on Python 2.2.2. -Barry From barry at python.org Tue Jan 7 01:47:42 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:47:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with different chatsets (footer gets attached if different) References: <20030104121240.I30130@rhea.tacotec.de> <3E19D83D.8080109@debian.org> Message-ID: <15898.9134.959124.250160@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "BG" == Ben Gertzfield writes: BG> It's theoretically possible to search through the whole BG> header/footer of each list to see if it is completely BG> us-ascii, but this seems like a hack to me. Unless we do BG> that, we have to assume that the footer is in the list charset BG> (iso-8859-1) which means that us-ascii messages will get the BG> footer attached as a MIME part. I can envision something in Mailman 3 where you'd be able to create headers and footers for different languages and/or charsets, or at least be able to specify the language and/or charset of the header and footer. >>>>> "ST" == Sebastian Talmon writes: ST> I see, internationalisation is not such an easy thing... *g* It's early yet, but I've nominated you for the Understatement of the Year award. :) BG> This is a possibility, but I'm a little scared of changing BG> something so major as the Content-Type of the whole message BG> just to avoid using separate MIME parts for the body and BG> footer. Me too. I really don't want to do that. -Barry From bryanf at samurai.com Tue Jan 7 02:03:14 2003 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 20:03:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm2.1 cookie problem? In-Reply-To: <15898.8817.627828.73049@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: On Monday, January 6, 2003, at 07:42 PM, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > Very interesting. I wonder if this could be some Apache bug or other? > We're running 1.3.27 on python.org so I don't have direct experience > with this bug on Apache 2.0 Sorry, any references to 2.0 are Mailman - I'm using Apache 1.3.27 too. > The colons did cause problems with Python's Cookie.py, as that module > stood back in Oct 2001. I think the change was made when we zapped > Mailman's own copy of Cookie.py for the one in Python's standard > library. Sure, there could be a bug there, although I haven't seen > any other reports of problems. Yeah, I figured it would've been noticed by a bunch of other people if it was in the Python libs. :) > Mailman crafts the key used to look up the cookie data (essentially a > dictionary), by using the list's internal name, `+', and an > "authcontext", which for the admin screens is `admin'. Is there any limit to the length of the list-name variables or the comparisons? Is there any other way a cookie request for "trawler-world-list-help" would return the cookie for "trawler-world-list"? Is -help a 'reserved' extension like -request or -admin? (I looked for '-help' in Mailman/* and didn't find anything, but..) > BF> I suspect that my list-owner using IE on WinME didn't really > BF> need to reboot > > LOL! Well, you know, not to admin the list. ;) > Okay. Also, what version of Python are you using? I've seen the > problem with Python 2.1.3, but I don't recall seeing it since I've > upgraded python.org's Mailman 2.1 to run on Python 2.2.2. I'm using Python 2.2.2, compiled from the FreeBSD port (port version python-2.2.2_2, installed December 1st). Bryan From chasm at texas.net Tue Jan 7 03:22:23 2003 From: chasm at texas.net (schuetzen - RKBA!) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 20:22:23 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] tutorial or book? In-Reply-To: <829F632D2F25D411B6920008C716F83105398CBE@dd01-e01.drives.danfoss.dk> References: <829F632D2F25D411B6920008C716F83105398CBE@dd01-e01.drives.danfoss.dk> Message-ID: Has a tutorial or any books been written on this program as there have been for Python? thanks chas ... From jeremyp at pobox.com Tue Jan 7 03:52:14 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: 06 Jan 2003 21:52:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patch access problem In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030106193229.039f7970@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030106193229.039f7970@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <1041907938.1004.1.camel@silverstar> On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 14:49, Richard Barrett wrote: > In the light of the attached I'm starting to wonder if sourceforge is > really up to the task. The support response would probably be more familiar > to users of the commercial operating systems so many of us love to hate. > > Of course, if any of you have experienced the problem in downloading the > htdig integration patch #444884 would like to add your comments to the > support request, I'm sure that the sourceforge support people will > appreciate the input confirming their complacency over the issue. > > I think that in future I will post any patches I develop on my own web site > (http://www.openinfo.demon.co.uk/mailman/index.html > ) in parallel to posting to sourceforge, given the potential unreliability > of their delivery. It looks like the problem is fixed now; the below URL should work. > > > >The following URL returns a blank page and should not: > > > >http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103 > > --Jeremy Portzer From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Tue Jan 7 04:56:06 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 22:56:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving Mailman From One Computer to Another In-Reply-To: <1041808220.2986.124.camel@jhughes>; from declaretruth@yahoo.com on Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 11:10:18PM +0000 References: <1041808220.2986.124.camel@jhughes> Message-ID: <20030106225606.A5691@dogpound.vnet.net> Check the FAQ (URL at the bottom of message). FAQ 3.4 might be of interest. Next thing is downgrading isn't recommended. Moving from 2.0.13 to 2.0.11 isn't recommended. * Jonathan Hughes (declaretruth at yahoo.com) wrote: > Hey Guys, > > I have a Mandrake 8.2 box with Mailman version 2.0.13 and I would like > to transfer a mailing list from this box to my new Debian Woody box with > Mailman version 2.0.11. Can this be done easily, I am talking about > transferring the configuration and everything not just the list archive. > I am using Postfix on both boxes. Thanks for your help. > > -Jonathan Hughes > declaretruth at yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bigdog%40dogpound.vnet.net ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Monday, January 06, 2003 / 10:53PM | ---------------------------------------------- Use your MasterCard to pay your Visa bill. From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Tue Jan 7 04:58:15 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 22:58:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and phpnuke In-Reply-To: <001501c2b559$b5d754a0$c19d4ed4@menta.net>; from robert@cataloniahosting.com on Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 09:00:28AM +0100 References: <001501c2b559$b5d754a0$c19d4ed4@menta.net> Message-ID: <20030106225815.B5691@dogpound.vnet.net> * Robert Garrigos (robert at cataloniahosting.com) wrote: > Does anyone know of a mailman module for phpnuke? There isn't one, at least there hasn't been mention of one here that I'm aware of. ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Monday, January 06, 2003 / 10:56PM | ---------------------------------------------- In the long run, every program becomes rococco, and then rubble. - Alan Perlis From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Tue Jan 7 05:06:36 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 23:06:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors running CGI script In-Reply-To: ; from yfeng@whittier.edu on Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 01:50:38PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20030106230636.C5691@dogpound.vnet.net> * Feng Jeffrey (yfeng at whittier.edu) wrote: > I've been trying to install Mailman onto a FreeBSD based computer. After I > created a test mailing list, I ran into an error like this when accessing > the mailing list archive from the Apache server: > > Forbidden > You don't have permission to access /pipermail/test/ on this server. > Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an > ErrorDocument to handle the request. > Apache/2.0.43 Server at listserv1.whittier.edu Port 80 Did you run check_perms -f? ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Monday, January 06, 2003 / 11:05PM | ---------------------------------------------- Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Tue Jan 7 05:08:49 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 23:08:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1 -- another qrunner crash In-Reply-To: ; from david@midrange.com on Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 02:42:44PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20030106230849.D5691@dogpound.vnet.net> Just a stab in the dark... Is it communicating with the smtp server? It looks like its getting a connection refused to sendmail....maybe? * David Gibbs (david at midrange.com) wrote: > Any thoughts on this? > > Jan 06 11:11:44 2003 (13289) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 4] > Interrupted system call > Jan 06 11:11:45 2003 (13289) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 61, in > _dispose > self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 139, in > process > deliveryfunc(mlist, msg, msgdata, envsender, refused, conn) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 335, in > bulkdeliver > refused = conn.sendmail(envsender, recips, msgtext) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 61, in > sendmail > results = self.__conn.sendmail(envsender, recips, msgtext) > File "/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", > line 649, in sendmail > (code,resp) = self.data(msg) > File "/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", > line 452, in data > (code,msg)=self.getreply() > File "/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", > line 325, in getreply > line = self.file.readline() > IOError: [Errno 4] Interrupted system call > > Jan 06 11:11:45 2003 (13289) SHUNTING: > 1041867350.917309+1f446e9ad4c55f50183ff7a818a95c53a2ccf1ad > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bigdog%40dogpound.vnet.net ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Monday, January 06, 2003 / 11:07PM | ---------------------------------------------- Ability is a good thing but stability is even better. From barry at python.org Tue Jan 7 06:08:13 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 00:08:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm2.1 cookie problem? References: <15898.8817.627828.73049@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <15898.24765.861522.794079@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "BF" == Bryan Fullerton writes: BF> Is there any limit to the length of the list-name variables or BF> the comparisons? None except limits on directory names in your OS's file system. I doubt you're even close. :) BF> Is there any other way a cookie request for BF> "trawler-world-list-help" would return the cookie for BF> "trawler-world-list"? Not that I can think of. BF> Is -help a 'reserved' extension like BF> -request or -admin? Nope. BF> I'm using Python 2.2.2, compiled from the FreeBSD port (port BF> version python-2.2.2_2, installed December 1st). I'm still putting my money on Apache. -Barry From barry at python.org Tue Jan 7 06:15:18 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 00:15:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm2.1 cookie problem? References: Message-ID: <15898.25190.611549.476710@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "BF" == Bryan Fullerton writes: >> I had the same problem initially. I manually deleted all the >> old cookies set by mailman and it worked fine. Deleting just >> the cookie from that list didn't help. BF> Unfortunately, in this case both of the lists are active, so BF> they're setting cookies all the time. Telling my list-owner BF> that he has to delete all his cookies for his other 10 mm2.0 BF> lists on my server every time he wants to admin his mm2.1 list BF> isn't really a good solution IMHO. :/ BTW, for the hacker inclined, an possibly useful way to debug this is to edit SecurityManager.py, the __checkone() method. Stick something like this before the first try: line (untested): syslog('debug', 'key: %s, c[key]: %s, val: %s', key, c[key], c[key].value) then tail logs/debug until you see the problem. Maybe something interesting will show up. -Barry From barry at python.org Tue Jan 7 06:32:14 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 00:32:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE References: <200301062108.h06L8mjI018373@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> Message-ID: <15898.26206.116942.232546@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "SR" == Steve Rifkin writes: SR> OK, I upgraded to MM2.1. After having to run check_perms with SR> -f to fix permissions, I finally got the web pages up. SR> When I go in as site admin and change the list admin's SR> password for a list, I *still* cannot log in as the list SR> admin. (I still receive the authentication error). SR> And if I go back into the password change page for the list as SR> the site admin, and if I put in a new list admin password and SR> have a *different* verified password, I receive no errors when SR> I click submit. SR> However, if I run "change_pw" from the command line, changing SR> the password for the list admin for the specific list, them, I SR> CAN log in! :) SR> So, it's the web interface that's screwing up. We're SR> narrowing this one down now... I hope! Any suggestions? Do you have any cookie blockers or other proxies between your browser and the web server? That's about the only thing I can think of. -Barry From barry at python.org Tue Jan 7 06:39:45 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 00:39:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1 -- another qrunner crash References: Message-ID: <15898.26657.271292.999495@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "DG" == David Gibbs writes: DG> Any thoughts on this? | IOError: [Errno 4] Interrupted system call Just that something's wrong with your mail server, or the connection between it and Mailman, or something sent the qrunner process a signal while it was in the middle of talking to your mail server. Try this patch; it won't avoid the interrupted system call, but it ought to handle the situation more gracefully (assuming it's a transient problem). Untested, but let me know if it works for you. -Barry -------------------- snip snip -------------------- Index: SMTPDirect.py =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/mailman/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py,v retrieving revision 2.25 diff -u -r2.25 SMTPDirect.py --- SMTPDirect.py 6 Nov 2002 04:43:54 -0000 2.25 +++ SMTPDirect.py 7 Jan 2003 05:35:24 -0000 @@ -337,7 +337,7 @@ refused = e.recipients # MTA not responding, or other socket problems, or any other kind of # SMTPException. In that case, nothing got delivered - except (socket.error, smtplib.SMTPException), e: + except (socket.error, smtplib.SMTPException, IOError), e: # BAW: should this be configurable? syslog('smtp', 'All recipients refused: %s', e) # If the exception had an associated error code, use it, otherwise, From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Tue Jan 7 09:20:17 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 08:20:17 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patch access problem now fixed Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030107080532.040a2008@pop3.demon.co.uk> A short saga. The guys at sourceforge have come up with the goods, identified what was causing the problem in accessing patch #444884 and fixed it. Good job by them. Their support response reads as follows; it was a generic problem that this patch just happened to trip over: Date: 2003-01-06 16:59 Sender: regs Logged In: YES user_id=9074 Found it, fixed it. It was a PHP memory exhaustion issue caused by the number of attached files, it would seem. I've bumped the memory limits by 2 MB for php and all seems to be happy now. -- Ari Gordon-Schlosberg, SourceForge.net Engineering From jmb at 4dhispano.com Tue Jan 7 11:27:37 2003 From: jmb at 4dhispano.com (Jean-Michel Biraghi) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:27:37 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install issue on Mac OS 10.2.3 In-Reply-To: References: <20030102164438947443.GyazMail.jmb@4dhispano.com> <15892.24728.764843.880528@audio.gfoster.com> <20030102173029763157.GyazMail.jmb@4dhispano.com> Message-ID: <20030107112737699931.GyazMail.jmb@4dhispano.com> Hi John, Developer Tools downloading and installing was OK. I took advantage of the downloading time to learn some terminal basics. It was useful : I'm now 0,01 % better than before :-) Still refering to Kathleen's guide, I'm still in trouble from step 5-h Step 5-h : the /var/mail folder was already set for mail group... so I wonder if there is an error... I was expecting mailman group... Am I right ? Step 6-a [Ordenador- de-jmb:/usr/adm/sm.bin] jmb% sudo /System/Library/StartupItems/Sendmail/Sendmail start Starting mail services 451 4.0.0 /etc/mail/sendmail.cf: line 93: fileclass: cannot open '/etc/mail/local-host-names': Group writable directory local-host-names file is set on "read only". Is it normal ? [Ordenador-de-jmb:/usr/adm/sm.bin] jmb% sudo m4 /usr/share/sendmail/conf/m4/cf.m4 /etc/mail/config.mc > /tmp/sendmail.cf [Ordenador-de-jmb:/usr/adm/sm.bin] jmb% sudo mv /etc/mail/sendmail.cf /etc/mail/sendmail.cf.old [Ordenador-de-jmb:/usr/adm/sm.bin] jmb% sudo mv /tmp/sendmail.cf /etc/mail/sendmail.cf [Ordenador-de-jmb:/usr/adm/sm.bin] jmb% sudo makemap hash /etc/mail/access < /etc/mail/access WARNING: Group writable directory / What do you think about this warning ? [Ordenador-de-jmb:/usr/adm/sm.bin] jmb% sudo newaliases /etc/mail/aliases: line 1: alias line too long /etc/mail/aliases: 0 aliases, longest 0 bytes, 0 bytes total Well.. what's wrong here ?... Thanks to all... ******************************************************************* Jean-Michel Biraghi 4D Hispano 28230 Las Rozas de Madrid, Spain http://www.4dhispano.com ******************************************************************* El Sat, 4 Jan 2003 15:24:56 -0800, John W Baxter escribi? : > Note that since the Developer Tools CD packed with "Jaguar" there have been > a small but critical update, and more recently a complete new release > (December 2002 Developer Tools). Hope you have a fast connection...it's a > 300+ meg download [1]. (You can get a CD shipped for $19.95 plus tax.) > But since you want Mailman, you likely have a fast connection. > From webmaster at frontierfleet.com Tue Jan 7 12:00:25 2003 From: webmaster at frontierfleet.com (Webmaster ST Frontier Fleet) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:00:25 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Coerce Plain Text with Mailman 2.1 Message-ID: <043a01c2b63b$fb946f90$0500a8c0@campus.tue.nl> Hi everyone, We've been running Mailman 2.0.x with the coerce plain text patch previously and this worked great. All mail sent by AOL users or M$ Word users got nicely converted to plain text. Additional viruses that might be send to the mailinglists also got rendered inactive because all MIME got stripped from the message as a matter of fact. So attachments were also impossible. We choose to do this plain text coercing for multiple reasons. But okay, here is my problem: I've now started with giving Mailman 2.1 a try on my testing machine. I've used the unofficial undo-coerce patch to get Mailman to update the old lists and so far so good. Mailman 2.1 seems to run as it should. But then we get to the point of trying to see if the HTML to Plain Text conversion has been set properly. As I've understood Mailman 2.1 should be able to do this plain text coercing itself without an additional patch. Using Outlook Express 6, I create a standard HTML message (using one of OE's default templates) and the first tries resulted in the message disappearing into nowhere. So next I removed all content filter settings, so it now says: - Should Mailman filter the content of list traffic according to the settings below? [ Yes ] - Remove message attachments that have a matching content type. [ Empty ] - Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type. Leave this field blank to skip this filter test. [ Empty ] - Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? [ Yes ] - Action to take when a message matches the content filtering rules. [ Forward to List Owner ] Using this settings it indeed converts the email from HTML to plain text.... however, the plain text body is attached as an attachment instead of being in the body of the email. The only thing in the email's body is the message footer. So, my question is if anyone here might happen to know how I can get Mailman 2.1 act similar to Mailman 2.0.x with the coerce plain text patch active. Or at the very least, how to get Mailman 2.1 to put the body of an email in the body and not add it as an attachment? Kind regards, Guido -- Webmaster ST Frontier Fleet _______________________________________ "Creativity is necessary for the health of the body." -- Spock, "Return of the Archons" From stb-mm at spline.de Tue Jan 7 13:12:45 2003 From: stb-mm at spline.de (Stephan Berndts) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 13:12:45 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm2.1 cookie problem? In-Reply-To: <0BB5D0B5-21D6-11D7-A56A-0003936377F0@samurai.com> References: <15898.6581.549847.982724@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <0BB5D0B5-21D6-11D7-A56A-0003936377F0@samurai.com> Message-ID: <20030107121245.GA1652@uff.spline.de> Hi, On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 07:22:03PM -0500, Bryan Fullerton wrote: > Here's the rewrite rule I used for the 2.1 list: > RewriteRule ^/mailman/(.*)/(trawler-world-list-help.*) \ > /home/mailman-2.1/cgi-bin/$1/$2 \ > [T=application/x-httpd-cgi] I realized the problem that "trawler-world-list-help" matches not only the rewriterule for "trawler-world-list-help" but also that for "trawler-world-list". (Is there one in your case? I cannot remember.) I had this problem for two of mine lists as well. As I moved both I did not have to think long about a better regex -- I tried to find one but did not succeed. Stephan -- The more I hear, the less I know From rsr at inorganic.org Tue Jan 7 13:37:35 2003 From: rsr at inorganic.org (Roy S. Rapoport) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 04:37:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing URL Message-ID: I've got a currently-running 2.0.8 installation. I've installed a 2.1 instance as completely separate, but am finding that, somehow, while http://www.inorganic.org/mailman2/admin works, the links it forms are of the form: http://www.inorganic.org/mailman/admin/ rather than http://www.inorganic.org/mailman2/admin/ This is despite the fact that my mm_cfg.py has: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'inorganic.org' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.inorganic.org' DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman2/' What am I missing here? -roy From barry at python.org Tue Jan 7 15:05:31 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 09:05:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with different chatsets (footer gets attached if different) References: <20030104121240.I30130@rhea.tacotec.de> <3E19D83D.8080109@debian.org> <20030106212431.B25781@rhea.tacotec.de> <3E19EAD9.6070605@debian.org> <20030106231850.A30493@rhea.tacotec.de> <3E1A0A11.5010409@debian.org> Message-ID: <15898.57003.824639.580139@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "BG" == Ben Gertzfield writes: BG> I haven't tested this at all, but this patch to BG> Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py to add Content-Disposition: BG> inline to any MIME'd headers and footers may make MS Outlook BG> show the footer in the message. Can you test it and see if BG> this fixes the "problem"? At worst, I can't see how this would hurt, so I think I'll add it anyway. (But please do let us know if this helps.) Thanks! -Barry From sebastian at talmon.net Tue Jan 7 15:15:10 2003 From: sebastian at talmon.net (Sebastian Talmon) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:15:10 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with different chatsets (footer gets attached if different) In-Reply-To: <15898.57003.824639.580139@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <20030104121240.I30130@rhea.tacotec.de> <3E19D83D.8080109@debian.org> <20030106212431.B25781@rhea.tacotec.de> <3E19EAD9.6070605@debian.org> <20030106231850.A30493@rhea.tacotec.de> <3E1A0A11.5010409@debian.org> <15898.57003.824639.580139@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20030107151510.D1351@rhea.tacotec.de> * Barry A. Warsaw schrieb am 07.01.2003: > > BG> I haven't tested this at all, but this patch to > BG> Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py to add Content-Disposition: > BG> inline to any MIME'd headers and footers may make MS Outlook > BG> show the footer in the message. Can you test it and see if > BG> this fixes the "problem"? > I'm sorry, but with this path the headers are set correct, but MS Outlook still shows the footer as a pseudo-Attachement (giving it the name ATT00010.txt or so) --Sebastian From info at bazzmann.com Tue Jan 7 15:45:07 2003 From: info at bazzmann.com (Marco Trevisan | Bazzmann.Com) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 15:45:07 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Plesk 2.* and MM2.1 Message-ID: <3E1AE7F3.8030405@bazzmann.com> Ciao ragazzi! So, I've resolved the problem with my own upgrade, I found out which problem stopped my work and upgrade. I run my server with Plesk 2.5 panel ( http://www.plesk.com ), useful to admin hosting quickly and let customer admin sites themselves. To create correctly lists under it Dan Byrne made a script called "addnewlist" that works with 2.0.* versions of MM. I just completed the update of this script and now it works correctly with MM2.1, under Plesk. I have to complete some little thing and the script "removelist" to make correct removing of list created with "addnewlist" and I let you know the URL where find it. Hope it can be useful to some other user of Plesk and MM. :) Have a nice day! Marco -- Bazzmann Labs(c) - Accessibilita', usabilita', webdesign e standard W3C ::--------------------------------::---------------------------------:: http://www.bazzmann.it | Il sito ufficiale di Bazzmann Labs. http://www.bazzmann.com | La risorsa per informare e aggiornare. http://www.dev2dev.it | Elemento D2D002 From stb-mm at spline.de Tue Jan 7 19:14:06 2003 From: stb-mm at spline.de (Stephan Berndts) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:14:06 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm2.1 cookie problem? In-Reply-To: <0BB5D0B5-21D6-11D7-A56A-0003936377F0@samurai.com> References: <15898.6581.549847.982724@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <0BB5D0B5-21D6-11D7-A56A-0003936377F0@samurai.com> Message-ID: <20030107191406.A2539@splatt.spline.inf.fu-berlin.de> Hi, On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 07:22:03PM -0500, Bryan Fullerton wrote: > Here's the rewrite rule I used for the 2.1 list: > RewriteRule ^/mailman/(.*)/(trawler-world-list-help.*) \ > /home/mailman-2.1/cgi-bin/$1/$2 \ > [T=application/x-httpd-cgi] I realized the problem that "trawler-world-list-help" matches not only the rewriterule for "trawler-world-list-help" but also that for "trawler-world-list". (Is there one in your case? I cannot remember.) I had this problem for two of mine lists as well. As I moved both I did not have to think long about a better regex -- I tried to find one but did not succeed. Stephan -- The more I hear, the less I know From sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx Tue Jan 7 19:56:58 2003 From: sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Sammons?=) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:56:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] aliases in README.QMAIL In-Reply-To: <3E156DDE.2060400@bazzmann.com> Message-ID: <20030107185658.34903.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Hi there!!! About this question what was the solution????... Thanks a lot!!! --- "Marco Trevisan | Bazzmann.Com" escribi?: > Stanton Schell wrote: > > "Illegal_command:_mailowner/". I changed the > aliases for the list to > > use the commands "request" and "owner" instead of > "mailcmd" and > > "mailowner" and that fixed things. > > So you changed this line inside .qmail-list-* : > > |preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman mailcmd > listname > ^^^^^^^ > > with the "request" and "owner" command? I'll try to > do. > > What about normal posting? Does it work properly? > > -- > Bazzmann Labs(c) - Accessibilita', usabilita', > webdesign e standard W3C > ::--------------------------------::---------------------------------:: > http://www.bazzmann.it | Il sito ufficiale di > Bazzmann Labs. > http://www.bazzmann.com | La risorsa per > informare e aggiornare. > http://www.dev2dev.it | Elemento D2D002 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/sammons_david%40yahoo.com.mx _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? La mejor conexi?n a internet y 25MB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes. http://net.yahoo.com.mx From jchum at aismedia.com Tue Jan 7 20:42:22 2003 From: jchum at aismedia.com (Jonathan Chum) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 14:42:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Settings for announcement only list questions. Message-ID: <00c701c2b684$e65343b0$cd1b9642@atlp.aismedia.com> A client of ours with 72K subscribers recently became the victim when one of the subscribers decides to email the list owner address which sent out 72K emails to everyone on the list. I know this is a feature of Mailman, but never once in the past 6 months of using Mailman has this ever happened before. I did not setup the lists for this particular client, but I'm reviewing the administration area and do not see any settings turned on so that the individual could have blasted out the email by emailing the list owner. I don't think it's security hole as this guy only sent out his email in the body and his email provider attached signatures related to dating services. He could have been a lot more malicious than that. I may have looked over some setting. Any have a list of settings to check to make sure only one email address has the authority to blast out? Regards, Jonathan Chum Systems Developer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A I S M e d i a , I n c . "We Build eBusinesses" 115 Perimeter Center Terrace Suite 540 Atlanta, GA 30346 Tel: 800.784.0919, Ext 502 / Fax: 770.350.9409 http://www.aismedia.com / jchum at aismedia.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From barry at python.org Tue Jan 7 21:30:28 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:30:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with different chatsets (footer gets attached if different) References: <20030104121240.I30130@rhea.tacotec.de> <3E19D83D.8080109@debian.org> <20030106212431.B25781@rhea.tacotec.de> <3E19EAD9.6070605@debian.org> <20030106231850.A30493@rhea.tacotec.de> <15898.57003.824639.580139@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20030107151510.D1351@rhea.tacotec.de> Message-ID: <15899.14564.755572.470312@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "ST" == Sebastian Talmon writes: ST> I'm sorry, but with this path the headers are set correct, but ST> MS Outlook still shows the footer as a pseudo-Attachement ST> (giving it the name ATT00010.txt or so) Sigh. -Barry From che at debian.org Tue Jan 7 21:43:35 2003 From: che at debian.org (Ben Gertzfield) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 12:43:35 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with different chatsets (footer gets attached if different) In-Reply-To: <20030107151510.D1351@rhea.tacotec.de> References: <20030104121240.I30130@rhea.tacotec.de> <3E19D83D.8080109@debian.org> <20030106212431.B25781@rhea.tacotec.de> <3E19EAD9.6070605@debian.org> <20030106231850.A30493@rhea.tacotec.de> <15898.57003.824639.580139@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20030107151510.D1351@rhea.tacotec.de> Message-ID: <3E1B3BF7.6070705@debian.org> Sebastian Talmon wrote: >I'm sorry, but with this path the headers are set correct, but >MS Outlook still shows the footer as a pseudo-Attachement >(giving it the name ATT00010.txt or so) > > Then it's definitely an MS Outlook bug, and there's not a whole lot we can do until Mailman gets fully internationalizable headers/footers with many charsets possible per list instead of the "one charset for headers and footers per list" it currently has. Sorry about this! You should report the bug to Microsoft; ignoring Content-Disposition (which is admittedly an optional specification) violates RFC 2183, which has been available since August 1997. They're 6 years out of date! Ben From david at midrange.com Tue Jan 7 21:58:46 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 14:58:46 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1 -- another qrunner crash In-Reply-To: <15898.26657.271292.999495@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <15898.26657.271292.999495@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <30124.208.248.38.130.1041973126.squirrel@webmail.midrange.com> barry at python.org said: > | IOError: [Errno 4] Interrupted system call > Just that something's wrong with your mail server, or the connection > between it and Mailman, or something sent the qrunner process a signal > while it was in the middle of talking to your mail server. I kind of figured it was something like that ... although MM 2.0.13 never encountered problems like this (that I knew of). I did, however, recently upgrade to Redhat 8.0. I have noticed that, on occasion, I have a sendmail task that will sit for extended periods of time in 'data' mode ... the PS entry looks like this: 31445 ? S 0:02 sendmail: h07Knsb2031445 localhost [127.0.0.1]: data When I looked at the mail queue file's associated with id "h07Knsb2031445", they were defintely associated with the mailing list. > Try this patch; it won't avoid the interrupted system call, but it > ought to handle the situation more gracefully (assuming it's a > transient problem). I'll give it a try ... but even after I applied the patch, I saw the hung task again. Thanks! david -- "Who said I couldn't have it all?" -B Gates From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Jan 8 01:25:11 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:25:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1 > Footer user variable. In-Reply-To: <3E1A1F55.5030004@bazzmann.com>; from info@bazzmann.com on Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 01:29:09AM +0100 References: <3E1A1F55.5030004@bazzmann.com> Message-ID: <20030107192511.A12218@dogpound.vnet.net> From the 'verify.txt' it looks like %(email) will work. * Marco Trevisan | Bazzmann.Com (info at bazzmann.com) wrote: > Hi there! > This question was sent some weeks ago and Barry kindly replied > that would be present in 2.1 release... so... :) > > Which variable I have to use to generate this one: > > "This message was sent to: info at bazzmann.com" > > In my own lists footer? > > Thanks! :) > Marco ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Tuesday, January 07, 2003 / 07:24PM | ---------------------------------------------- HEY YOU!!!!!!!!! STOP YELLING!!!!!!!!!!!! From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Jan 8 01:27:40 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:27:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing URL In-Reply-To: ; from rsr@inorganic.org on Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 04:37:35AM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20030107192740.B12218@dogpound.vnet.net> Did you run the fix_url.py script? * Roy S. Rapoport (rsr at inorganic.org) wrote: > > I've got a currently-running 2.0.8 installation. I've > installed a 2.1 instance as completely separate, but am > finding that, somehow, while > http://www.inorganic.org/mailman2/admin works, the links it > forms are of the form: > http://www.inorganic.org/mailman/admin/ > > rather than > http://www.inorganic.org/mailman2/admin/ > > This is despite the fact that my mm_cfg.py has: > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'inorganic.org' > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.inorganic.org' > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman2/' > > What am I missing here? > > -roy ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Tuesday, January 07, 2003 / 07:26PM | ---------------------------------------------- The little engineer that could From sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx Wed Jan 8 01:08:39 2003 From: sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Sammons?=) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:08:39 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about aliases Message-ID: <20030108000839.56184.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Hi there! I have this message in log files Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal command: mailowner qmail: 1041983596.486292 delivery 171: deferral: Illegal_command:_mailowner/ I am working with MM2.1rc3 and qmail in a linux debian What is the mean of this message??? Thanks!!! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? La mejor conexi?n a internet y 25MB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes. http://net.yahoo.com.mx From syed at mimos.my Wed Jan 8 02:18:46 2003 From: syed at mimos.my (syed) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 09:18:46 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with pipermail Message-ID: <3E1B7C76.DFD95D6E@mimos.my> Whe i'm trying to access "Archives" using web, it display this error : error msg ------------------ Not Found The requested URL /pipermail/aposc-mailinglist/ was not found on this server. Apache/1.3.20 Server at nel-rel234.nat.mimos.my Port 80 Any clue what is going wrong? rgds, mr_zali From david at midrange.com Wed Jan 8 02:29:45 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:29:45 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1 yet another qrunner error ... Message-ID: Jan 07 19:25:22 2003 qrunner(1270): Traceback (most recent call last): Jan 07 19:25:22 2003 qrunner(1270): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? Jan 07 19:25:22 2003 qrunner(1270): main() Jan 07 19:25:22 2003 qrunner(1270): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main Jan 07 19:25:22 2003 qrunner(1270): qrunner.run() Jan 07 19:25:22 2003 qrunner(1270): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run Jan 07 19:25:22 2003 qrunner(1270): filecnt = self._oneloop() Jan 07 19:25:22 2003 qrunner(1270): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in _oneloop Jan 07 19:25:22 2003 qrunner(1270): msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) Jan 07 19:25:22 2003 qrunner(1270): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 151, in dequeue Jan 07 19:25:22 2003 qrunner(1270): if data.has_key('rejection-notice'): Jan 07 19:25:22 2003 qrunner(1270): AttributeError : 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'has_key' From yfeng at whittier.edu Wed Jan 8 02:31:13 2003 From: yfeng at whittier.edu (Feng Jeffrey) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 17:31:13 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error comfirming subscription from Mailman Message-ID: After I installed Mailman on my FreeBSD server, I created a test list and sent a subscription to it, the server returned the folowing error message. What causes this problem? Any help will be appreciated. Jeffrey -------------------------------------- The original message was received at Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:16:41 -0800 (PST) from localhost [127.0.0.1] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to listserv1.whittier.edu.: >>> DATA <<< 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown <<< 503 5.0.0 Need RCPT (recipient) From mailman at fantasticwebsites.com Wed Jan 8 02:37:32 2003 From: mailman at fantasticwebsites.com (Paul Allen Rice) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 19:37:32 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Login Persistence and Cookies In-Reply-To: <200212312357.gBVNvIu13639@ns1.sphds.org> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20030107193732.00ab9e78@vlists.net> I've seen several (too many) messages to the list about people logging into the archives or the administrative pages for various versions of Mailman, only to have their changes not saved, and be thrown back to the authentication page. I've NOT seen anyone offer a solution. It appears that the problems are more on the browser end than on the server end. I've upgraded to the 2.1 final release and have no problems myself (using MSIE on XP Pro with cookies enabled). However, one of my list admins tells me that he has this problem with Mozilla, but not with Galeon. He has cookies enabled in ALL of his browsers tho. I've noticed that when I log out of the admin page for one list, go to another and login there, then come back to the first list, all without shutting down my browser, Mailman allows me back into the first list admin area without requesting a login. There's obviously some sort of persistence thing going on here, since we all have cookies enabled, but some cookies "go stale" quicker than others. Does anyone have a definitive answer for this, other than to tell me to turn my cookies on, because they already are. Is there some sort of setting that can be tweaked in Mailman/Python to adjust the lifespan of the cookies it creates? Paul Rice Fantastic Websites From ashley at pcraft.com Wed Jan 8 02:40:32 2003 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:40:32 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error comfirming subscription from Mailman References: Message-ID: <3E1B8190.2030200@pcraft.com> Feng Jeffrey wrote: >After I installed Mailman on my FreeBSD server, I created a test list and >sent a subscription to it, the server returned the folowing error message. >What causes this problem? Any help will be appreciated. Jeffrey > >-------------------------------------- >The original message was received at Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:16:41 -0800 (PST) >from localhost [127.0.0.1] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > (reason: 550 5.1.1 ... User >unknown) > > Did you add the aliases to your MTA's alias file? -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Wed Jan 8 03:47:18 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 11:47:18 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] patch for Re: problems with different chatsets References: Message-ID: <3E1B9136.1010306@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi Folks, I've been reading -users with digest option. So, forgive me for cutting the thread. Since the patch manager of SF is not allowing to upload a new patch now, I send this to the list. (sorry, if it's folded) With this patch, Decorate.py will try to make the footer and header in a plain text message by converting the three into unicode and then encode in a appropriate (defined by mailman) charset. Hope it helps! -- Tokio Kikuchi --- /home/mailman/src/Release_2_1-maint/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py Wed Jan 8 11:13:38 2003 +++ Decorate.py Wed Jan 8 11:26:51 2003 @@ -78,17 +78,27 @@ # MIME multipart chroming the message? wrap = 1 if not msg.is_multipart() and msgtype == 'text/plain' and \ - msg.get('content-transfer-encoding', '').lower() <> 'base64' and \ - (lcset == 'us-ascii' or mcset == lcset): - oldpayload = msg.get_payload() - frontsep = endsep = '' - if header and not header.endswith('\n'): - frontsep = '\n' - if footer and not oldpayload.endswith('\n'): - endsep = '\n' - payload = header + frontsep + oldpayload + endsep + footer - msg.set_payload(payload) - wrap = 0 + msg.get('content-transfer-encoding', '').lower() <> 'base64': + # TK: Try to keep the message plain by converting the header/ + # footer/oldpayload into unicode and encode with mcset/lcset. + uheader = unicode(header, lcset) + ufooter = unicode(footer, lcset) + try: + oldpayload = unicode(msg.get_payload(), mcset) + frontsep = endsep = u'' + if header and not header.endswith('\n'): + frontsep = u'\n' + if footer and not oldpayload.endswith('\n'): + endsep = u'\n' + payload = uheader + frontsep + oldpayload + endsep + ufooter + if lcset == 'us-ascii': + newcset = mcset + else: + newcset = lcset + msg.set_payload(payload.encode(newcset), newcset) + wrap = 0 + except: + pass elif msg.get_type() == 'multipart/mixed': # The next easiest thing to do is just prepend the header and append # the footer as additional subparts From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Jan 8 03:57:56 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 21:57:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with pipermail In-Reply-To: <3E1B7C76.DFD95D6E@mimos.my>; from syed@mimos.my on Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 09:18:46AM +0800 References: <3E1B7C76.DFD95D6E@mimos.my> Message-ID: <20030107215756.B13402@dogpound.vnet.net> * syed (syed at mimos.my) wrote: > Whe i'm trying to access "Archives" using web, it display this error : > > error msg > ------------------ > Not Found > The requested URL /pipermail/aposc-mailinglist/ was not found on this server. > > Apache/1.3.20 Server at nel-rel234.nat.mimos.my Port 80 > > > Any clue what is going wrong? Did you setup the apache Alias rule? Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/ ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Tuesday, January 07, 2003 / 09:56PM | ---------------------------------------------- I do not fear computers. I fear the lack of them. From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Jan 8 04:02:21 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:02:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error comfirming subscription from Mailman In-Reply-To: ; from yfeng@whittier.edu on Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 05:31:13PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20030107220221.C13402@dogpound.vnet.net> Make sure you setup the alias file for your mail server, you skipped that step. Its different for each mail server. * Feng Jeffrey (yfeng at whittier.edu) wrote: > After I installed Mailman on my FreeBSD server, I created a test list and > sent a subscription to it, the server returned the folowing error message. > What causes this problem? Any help will be appreciated. Jeffrey > > -------------------------------------- > The original message was received at Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:16:41 -0800 (PST) > from localhost [127.0.0.1] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > (reason: 550 5.1.1 ... User > unknown) ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Tuesday, January 07, 2003 / 09:59PM | ---------------------------------------------- Modern man is the missing link between apes and human beings. From syed at mimos.my Wed Jan 8 03:58:26 2003 From: syed at mimos.my (syed) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 10:58:26 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with pipermail References: <3E1B7C76.DFD95D6E@mimos.my> <20030107215756.B13402@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: <3E1B93D2.B55AE8A9@mimos.my> Matthew Davis wrote: > * syed (syed at mimos.my) wrote: > > Whe i'm trying to access "Archives" using web, it display this error : > > > > error msg > > ------------------ > > Not Found > > The requested URL /pipermail/aposc-mailinglist/ was not found on this server. > > > > Apache/1.3.20 Server at nel-rel234.nat.mimos.my Port 80 > > > > > > Any clue what is going wrong? > > Did you setup the apache Alias rule? > > Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/ yeah i already put it in httpd.conf i'm also get no respond after confirmation to the list. ~/mailman/logs/subcsribe said my email is pending. i'm sick with this error. From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Jan 8 04:10:06 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:10:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with pipermail In-Reply-To: <3E1B93D2.B55AE8A9@mimos.my>; from syed@mimos.my on Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 10:58:26AM +0800 References: <3E1B7C76.DFD95D6E@mimos.my> <20030107215756.B13402@dogpound.vnet.net> <3E1B93D2.B55AE8A9@mimos.my> Message-ID: <20030107221006.A13633@dogpound.vnet.net> * syed (syed at mimos.my) wrote: > > > error msg > > > ------------------ > > > Not Found > > > The requested URL /pipermail/aposc-mailinglist/ was not found on this server. > > > > > > Apache/1.3.20 Server at nel-rel234.nat.mimos.my Port 80 > > > > > > > > > Any clue what is going wrong? > > > > Did you setup the apache Alias rule? > > > > Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/ > > yeah i already put it in httpd.conf > i'm also get no respond after confirmation to the list. > ~/mailman/logs/subcsribe said my email is pending. > i'm sick with this error. What version of mailman? If 2.0 is your crontab installed? Back to the httpd problem. Did you restart apache? If there hasn't been any posts to the list, there won't be a dir there, and you'll get that error. ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Tuesday, January 07, 2003 / 10:07PM | ---------------------------------------------- If I were you, who'd be me? From syed at mimos.my Wed Jan 8 04:46:13 2003 From: syed at mimos.my (syed) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 11:46:13 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with pipermail References: <3E1B7C76.DFD95D6E@mimos.my> <20030107215756.B13402@dogpound.vnet.net> <3E1B93D2.B55AE8A9@mimos.my> <20030107221006.A13633@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: <3E1B9F05.F6123FD5@mimos.my> What version of mailman? If 2.0 is your crontab installed? > > Back to the httpd problem. Did you restart apache? > > If there hasn't been any posts to the list, there won't be a dir there, and you'll get that error. > I'm using mailman-2.0.13 MTA sendmail-8.11.6 Crontab already installed. I already set the aliase, but my mail still pending. Any suggestion which log files did I need to check for clue? rgds, mr_zali From chris at burchellfamily.ca Wed Jan 8 04:55:54 2003 From: chris at burchellfamily.ca (C Burchell) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:55:54 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron daemon error on FreeBSD 4.7 In-Reply-To: <20030107220221.C13402@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: <000001c2b6c9$da46f400$c803a8c0@grizzly> Hello - I'm new to Mailman. I have just recently installed mailman 2.0.12 on a FreeBSD 4.7 system using the pkg_add feature. I believe I have successfully configured the majority of the software package, but ever since I ran the '/usr/local/mailman/cron/crontab.in' I have been receiving the following e-mail message every minute: ************************************** Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 276, in ? lock.lock(timeout=0.5) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock self.__write() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w') IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.devilbear.kumacommunications.net. 14720' ************************************** /usr/local/ mailman dir entry reads as: drwxrwsr-x 18 root mailman 512 mailman Almost everything under /usr/local/mailman reads: (only expection is number of links in ls -l listing of some items) drwxrwsr-x 2 root 91 512 I apologize that if this has been addressed on this list before, but I have been so far unable to find a searchable archive of the Mailman-Users list. Any help / guidance to solve the issue above would be most appreciated. Regards, Chris From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Jan 8 05:02:28 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 23:02:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with pipermail In-Reply-To: <3E1B9F05.F6123FD5@mimos.my>; from syed@mimos.my on Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 11:46:13AM +0800 References: <3E1B7C76.DFD95D6E@mimos.my> <20030107215756.B13402@dogpound.vnet.net> <3E1B93D2.B55AE8A9@mimos.my> <20030107221006.A13633@dogpound.vnet.net> <3E1B9F05.F6123FD5@mimos.my> Message-ID: <20030107230227.A13963@dogpound.vnet.net> * syed (syed at mimos.my) wrote: > What version of mailman? If 2.0 is your crontab installed? > > > > > Back to the httpd problem. Did you restart apache? > > > > If there hasn't been any posts to the list, there won't be a dir there, and you'll get that error. > > > > I'm using mailman-2.0.13 > MTA sendmail-8.11.6 > Crontab already installed. > I already set the aliase, but my mail still pending. > Any suggestion which log files did I need to check for clue? Is the request pending for an administrator? Or is it not getting delivered by mailman? Check logs/qrunner and logs/error ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Tuesday, January 07, 2003 / 10:59PM | ---------------------------------------------- Old programmers never die; they just branch to a new address. From david at midrange.com Wed Jan 8 05:01:30 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:01:30 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm2.1 lost data files for filebase? Message-ID: Anyone know what this message means in the error log: Jan 07 20:22:06 2003 (9953) lost data files for filebase: 1041992497.529189+0825c00113b2b04e16abe6f914d3b764396f75da david From rsr at inorganic.org Wed Jan 8 05:15:08 2003 From: rsr at inorganic.org (Roy S. Rapoport) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:15:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing URL In-Reply-To: <20030107192740.B12218@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, Matthew Davis wrote: > Did you run the fix_url.py script? Nope. Didn't see that mentioned in the directions. Finally got it working through the simple expedient of reinstalling Mailman. -roy From syed at mimos.my Wed Jan 8 05:21:13 2003 From: syed at mimos.my (syed) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 12:21:13 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with pipermail References: <3E1B7C76.DFD95D6E@mimos.my> <20030107215756.B13402@dogpound.vnet.net> <3E1B93D2.B55AE8A9@mimos.my> <20030107221006.A13633@dogpound.vnet.net> <3E1B9F05.F6123FD5@mimos.my> <20030107230227.A13963@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: <3E1BA738.171B7780@mimos.my> > Is the request pending for an administrator? Or is it not getting delivered by mailman? > > Check logs/qrunner and logs/error > > ---------------------------------------------- > | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | > |--------------------------------------------| > | Tuesday, January 07, 2003 / 10:59PM | > ---------------------------------------------- > Old programmers never die; they just branch to a new address. i guess it not getting delivered by mailman. i create a test list and send subcription to it, after a while i get an email for confirmation, after simply reply that email.. i got no respon either my request is approved or not. the only clue i have is logs/subscribe Jan 08 12:16:20 2003 (840) aposc-mailinglist: pending syed at yahoo.com infoniti159.net.mal.my there is no error in logs/error and in my logs directory thereis no qrunner file. From bryanf at samurai.com Wed Jan 8 05:36:22 2003 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 23:36:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm2.1 cookie problem? In-Reply-To: <15898.25190.611549.476710@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 12:15 AM, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > BTW, for the hacker inclined, an possibly useful way to debug this is > to edit SecurityManager.py, the __checkone() method. Stick something > like this before the first try: line (untested): > > syslog('debug', 'key: %s, c[key]: %s, val: %s', key, c[key], > c[key].value) > > then tail logs/debug until you see the problem. Maybe something > interesting will show up. I finally had time in the past half hour to dedicate to debugging this using syslog() thrown in at various places in SecurityManager.py. The result of that is... we don't even get to __checkone(). If there are *any* mm2.0 cookies in the URI-space mm2.1 looks in, the following code will always raise a Cookie.CookieException and return 0. # Treat the cookie data as simple strings, and do application level # decoding as necessary. By using SimpleCookie, we prevent any kind # of security breach due to untrusted cookie data being unpickled # (which is quite unsafe). try: c = Cookie.SimpleCookie(cookiedata) except Cookie.CookieError: return 0 If python's Cookie code (or at least SimpleCookie) doesn't like cookies with :'s in them that'd explain it. This is rather a problem for anyone thinking they could run both mm2.0 and mm2.1 mapped into the same URI-space. Simply put, you can't (without re-auth'ing with every action in 2.1 lists), unless the mm2.1 code is rewritten to handle that exception better. Or unless you nuke all your cookies after every use of a 2.0 list (not just logout - in my testing that doesn't actually remove the cookie, just the cookie's contents). The good news is that this should be no problem once everything is moved to 2.1. Bryan From barry at python.org Wed Jan 8 05:36:26 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 23:36:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Login Persistence and Cookies References: <200212312357.gBVNvIu13639@ns1.sphds.org> <3.0.3.32.20030107193732.00ab9e78@vlists.net> Message-ID: <15899.43722.235610.858189@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "PAR" == Paul Allen Rice writes: PAR> I've noticed that when I log out of the admin page for one PAR> list, go to another and login there, then come back to the PAR> first list, all without shutting down my browser, Mailman PAR> allows me back into the first list admin area without PAR> requesting a login. I cannot reproduce this with NS, Moz, or Konq on Linux. I don't have OSX booted at the moment, but I don't recall ever seeing any such problems with NS, Moz, Chimera, or IE on OSX (haven't tried Safari yet :). PAR> There's obviously some sort of persistence thing going on PAR> here, since we all have cookies enabled, but some cookies "go PAR> stale" quicker than others. Mailman's admin cookies are "session cookies". They go away when you quit your browser. PAR> Does anyone have a definitive answer for this, other than to PAR> tell me to turn my cookies on, because they already are. Is PAR> there some sort of setting that can be tweaked in PAR> Mailman/Python to adjust the lifespan of the cookies it PAR> creates? No, but you could try playing with MakeCookie() in SecurityManager.py. The only cookie problems I've seen so far, and that have been confirmed, are those related to the Apache rewrite rules given in UPGRADING. Folks use these to migrate lists one at a time. I'm still not sure why this is, but I strongly suspect an Apache problem or misconfiguration. -Barry From barry at python.org Wed Jan 8 05:37:50 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 23:37:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing URL References: <20030107192740.B12218@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: <15899.43806.687644.619718@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "RSR" == Roy S Rapoport writes: >> Did you run the fix_url.py script? RSR> Nope. Didn't see that mentioned in the directions. It's buried in the UPGRADING INDIVIDUAL LISTS section of the UPGRADING file. -Barry From bryanf at samurai.com Wed Jan 8 05:39:20 2003 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 23:39:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm2.1 cookie problem? In-Reply-To: <20030107121245.GA1652@uff.spline.de> Message-ID: <27189E3B-22C3-11D7-87F1-000393013B04@samurai.com> On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 07:12 AM, Stephan Berndts wrote: > I realized the problem that "trawler-world-list-help" matches not only > the rewriterule for "trawler-world-list-help" but also that for > "trawler-world-list". (Is there one in your case? I cannot remember.) Nope, here there's only a rewrite for the longer-named list, not the shorter one. :) Bryan From barry at python.org Wed Jan 8 05:40:10 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 23:40:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm2.1 cookie problem? References: <15898.25190.611549.476710@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <15899.43946.45565.974896@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "BF" == Bryan Fullerton writes: BF> If python's Cookie code (or at least SimpleCookie) doesn't BF> like cookies with :'s in them that'd explain it. Great sleuthing, Bryan! I don't have time tonight to work out a fix, but this is an excellent clue, and I'm hopeful there's a workaround. -Barry From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Wed Jan 8 06:18:20 2003 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 00:18:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/htdig Success and a question or 3.. Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030108000648.04aab038@mail.wingfoot.org> First I just want to say: MAILMAN ROCKS! :) I managed to get 2.1 and htdig all running together and working peachykeen... :) it's a beautiful thing! My monthly mailers all work now, creating lists from the webinterface works, etc! However--a suggestion? In Defaults.py, once all the patches are added, we now see: ARCHIVE_INDEXING_ENABLE = '' ARCHIVE_INDEXING_DISABLE = '' # htdig integration parameters # if you set USE_HTDIG then you must also set HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK # and HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH to suit your htdig installation, for instance: # HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK = 'htdig-mailman' # HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH = '/usr/bin/rundig' USE_HTDIG = 0 # 0 - don't use integrated htdig, 1 - use it HTDIG_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/htdig/' # must end in a slash HTDIG_SEARCH_URL = '/cgi-bin/htsearch' HTDIG_FILES_URL = '/htdig/' HTDIG_CONF_LINK_DIR = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'archives', 'htdig') HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK = 'htdig-mailman' HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH = '/usr/local/bin/rundig' Now.. as far as I can tell, HTDIG_ARCHIVE_URL is just wrong. /mailman/htdig/ isn't the location of archives using Pipermail.. it's /mailman/pipermail ... So I'm wondering: 1) Am I just reading this wrong? Is my setup somehow b0rken? I had to set HTDIG_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/pipermail/' in mm_cfg.py 2) What about private archives? Can there be (maybe in a future version) HTDIG_PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL ? As it stands, I have to manually edit the .conf to fix it for private archives... hardly a big deal, but I'm just the curious type... 3) I'm using the postfix-to-mailman.py (modified to work with 2.1--easy enough, if anyone would like a copy, I'll happily post it), and do not use mailman's aliases file--is there a way to stop mailman from writing to this data/aliases file? Not a biggie, I'm still just a curious guy :) Again... you guys rock!!! :))))) Thanks, Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear "Religion is for those who do what they are told regardless of what is right. Spirituality is for those who do what is right regardless of what they are told." -- unattributed From edlau at ucf.ics.uci.edu Wed Jan 8 06:42:55 2003 From: edlau at ucf.ics.uci.edu (Edmund Lau) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 21:42:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail Doc patch for 2.1 Message-ID: Qmail people: This is a documentation patch for the README.QMAIL file. There's not much testing here, but Barry would you consider applying it? I'm cc'ing -users so they will be brought up to speed on the new 2.1. -Ed --- README.QMAIL.old 2002-04-05 13:24:10.000000000 -0800 +++ README.QMAIL 2003-01-07 21:37:58.000000000 -0800 @@ -2,14 +2,6 @@ Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000,2001,2002 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc. 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA -MORE INFORMATION - -You might be interested in some information that Norbert Bollow has -written about Mailman and Qmail integration, available here: - - http://mailman.cis.to/qmail-verh/ - - QMAIL ISSUES There are some issues that users of the qmail mail transport agent @@ -115,10 +107,11 @@ your lists (if for some reason you can/will not have them automatically picked up using "contrib/qmail-to-mailman.py"): +This script is for the Mailman 2.0 series: #!/bin/sh if [ $# = 1 ]; then i=$1 - echo Making links to $i... + echo Making links to $i in the current directory... echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/mailman post $i" > .qmail-$i echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/mailman mailowner $i" > .qmail-$i-admin echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/mailman mailowner $i" > .qmail-$i-owner @@ -126,6 +119,62 @@ echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/mailman mailcmd $i" > .qmail-$i-request fi +This script is for the Mailman 2.1 series: +#!/bin/sh +if [ $# = 1 ]; then + i=$1 + echo Making links to $i in the current directory... + echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/mailman post $i" > .qmail-$i + echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/mailman admin $i" > .qmail-$i-admin + echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/mailman bounces $i" > .qmail-$i-bounces + # The following line is for VERP + # echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/mailman bounces $i" > .qmail-$i-bounces-default + echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/mailman confirm $i" > .qmail-$i-confirm + echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/mailman join $i" > .qmail-$i-join + echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/mailman leave $i" > .qmail-$i-leave + echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/mailman owner $i" > .qmail-$i-owner + echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/mailman request $i" > .qmail-$i-request + echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe $i" > .qmail-$i-subscribe + echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe $i" > .qmail-$i-unsubscribe +fi + +INFORMATION ON VERP + +You will note in the alias generating script for 2.1 above, there is a +line for VERP that has been commented out. If you are interested in VERP +there are two options. The first option is to allow Mailman to do the +VERP formatting. To activate this, uncomment that line and add the +following lines to your mm_cfg.py file: + +VERP_FORMAT = '%(bounces)s-+%(mailbox)s=%(host)s' +VERP_REGEXP = r'^(?P.*?)-\+(?P[^=]+)=(?P[^@]+)@.*$' + +The second option is a patch on SourceForge located at: + +http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=645513&group_id=103 + +This patch currently needs more testing and might best be suitable for +developers or people well familiar with qmail. Having said that, this +patch is the more qmail-friendly approach resulting in large performance +gains. + +VIRTUAL MAIL SERVER + +As mentioned in the ISSUES area for a virtual mail server, a patch under +testing is located at: + +http://sf.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=621257&group_id=103&atid=300103 + +Again, this patch is for people familiar with their qmail installation. + +MORE INFORMATION + +You might be interested in some information on modifying footers that +Norbert Bollow has written about Mailman and Qmail integration, available +here: + + http://mailman.cis.to/qmail-verh/ + Local Variables: mode: text From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Wed Jan 8 08:21:53 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 07:21:53 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/htdig Success and a question or 3.. In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030108000648.04aab038@mail.wingfoot.org> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030108071443.0386fef8@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 05:18 08/01/2003, Glenn Sieb wrote: >First I just want to say: > >MAILMAN ROCKS! :) > >I managed to get 2.1 and htdig all running together and working >peachykeen... :) it's a beautiful thing! My monthly mailers all work now, >creating lists from the webinterface works, etc! > >However--a suggestion? In Defaults.py, once all the patches are added, we >now see: > >ARCHIVE_INDEXING_ENABLE = '' >ARCHIVE_INDEXING_DISABLE = '' ># htdig integration parameters ># if you set USE_HTDIG then you must also set HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK ># and HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH to suit your htdig installation, for instance: ># HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK = 'htdig-mailman' ># HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH = '/usr/bin/rundig' >USE_HTDIG = 0 # 0 - don't use integrated htdig, 1 - use it >HTDIG_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/htdig/' # must end in a slash >HTDIG_SEARCH_URL = '/cgi-bin/htsearch' >HTDIG_FILES_URL = '/htdig/' >HTDIG_CONF_LINK_DIR = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'archives', 'htdig') >HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK = 'htdig-mailman' >HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH = '/usr/local/bin/rundig' > >Now.. as far as I can tell, HTDIG_ARCHIVE_URL is just wrong. >/mailman/htdig/ isn't the location of archives using Pipermail.. it's >/mailman/pipermail ... So I'm wondering: > >1) Am I just reading this wrong? Is my setup somehow b0rken? I had to set >HTDIG_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/pipermail/' in mm_cfg.py /mailman/htdig/ is correct. This is explained in the file $build/INSTALL.htdig-mm installed by the #444884 patch. In part it says: $prefix/cgi-bin/htdig $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/htdig.py these are a CGI script and its wrapper, which is always on the path of URLs returned from searches of htdig indices. The script provides secure access to such URLs in the same way that the $prefix/cgi-bin/private and $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/private.py. htdig.py ensures private archives are kept private, applying the same criteria for permitting access as private.py, and delivering material from public archives without demanding any authentication. >2) What about private archives? Can there be (maybe in a future version) >HTDIG_PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL ? As it stands, I have to manually edit the >.conf to fix it for private archives... hardly a big deal, but >I'm just the curious type... > >3) I'm using the postfix-to-mailman.py (modified to work with 2.1--easy >enough, if anyone would like a copy, I'll happily post it), and do not use >mailman's aliases file--is there a way to stop mailman from writing to >this data/aliases file? Not a biggie, I'm still just a curious guy :) > >Again... you guys rock!!! :))))) > >Thanks, >Glenn >--- From linux at mostert.nom.za Wed Jan 8 09:02:01 2003 From: linux at mostert.nom.za (Mozzi) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:02:01 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to address Message-ID: <200301081002.01516.linux@mostert.nom.za> Hallo all And as this is my first post of the year Happy new year to all. I have a problem ;-) ( so what is new?) I use mailman version 2.0.13 I want people on the list to reply directly to the sender of the message when they hit Reply in his/her mail client. I have set Where are replies to list messages directed? Poster is strongly recommended for most mailing lists to Poster without succes, anyone else have a good idea how to do this?? Tnx Mozzi From jmb at 4dhispano.com Wed Jan 8 09:06:11 2003 From: jmb at 4dhispano.com (Jean-Michel Biraghi) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:06:11 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install issue on Mac OS 10.2.3 Message-ID: <20030108090611094462.GyazMail.jmb@4dhispano.com> It seems that my message has not been sent yesterday, so I repost it, sorry for the noise... Hi John, Developer Tools downloading and installing was OK. I took advantage of the downloading time to learn some terminal basics. It was useful : I'm now 0,01 % better than before :-) Still refering to Kathleen's guide, I'm still in trouble from step 5-h Step 5-h : the /var/mail folder was already set for mail group... so I wonder if there is an error... I was expecting mailman group... Am I right ? Step 6-a [Ordenador-de-jmb:/usr/adm/sm.bin] jmb% sudo /System/Library/StartupItems/Sendmail/Sendmail start Starting mail services 451 4.0.0 /etc/mail/sendmail.cf: line 93: fileclass: cannot open '/etc/mail/local-host-names': Group writable directory local-host-names file is set on "read only". Is it normal ? [Ordenador-de-jmb:/usr/adm/sm.bin] jmb% sudo m4 /usr/share/sendmail/conf/m4/cf.m4 /etc/mail/config.mc > /tmp/sendmail.cf [Ordenador-de-jmb:/usr/adm/sm.bin] jmb% sudo mv /etc/mail/sendmail.cf /etc/mail/sendmail.cf.old [Ordenador-de-jmb:/usr/adm/sm.bin] jmb% sudo mv /tmp/sendmail.cf /etc/mail/sendmail.cf [Ordenador-de-jmb:/usr/adm/sm.bin] jmb% sudo makemap hash /etc/mail/access < /etc/mail/access WARNING: Group writable directory / What do you think about this warning ? [Ordenador-de-jmb:/usr/adm/sm.bin] jmb% sudo newaliases /etc/mail/aliases: line 1: alias line too long /etc/mail/aliases: 0 aliases, longest 0 bytes, 0 bytes total Well.. what's wrong here ?... Thanks to all... ******************************************************************* Jean-Michel Biraghi 4D Hispano 28230 Las Rozas de Madrid, Spain http://www.4dhispano.com ******************************************************************* El Sat, 4 Jan 2003 15:24:56 -0800, John W Baxter escribi? : > Note that since the Developer Tools CD packed with "Jaguar" there have been a small but critical update, and more recently a complete new release (December 2002 Developer Tools). Hope you have a fast connection...it's a 300+ meg download [1]. (You can get a CD shipped for $19.95 plus tax.) But since you want Mailman, you likely have a fast connection. From info at bazzmann.com Wed Jan 8 09:17:01 2003 From: info at bazzmann.com (Marco Trevisan | Bazzmann.Com) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 09:17:01 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1 > Footer user variable. In-Reply-To: <20030107192511.A12218@dogpound.vnet.net> References: <3E1A1F55.5030004@bazzmann.com> <20030107192511.A12218@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: <3E1BDE7D.60209@bazzmann.com> Matthew Davis wrote: > From the 'verify.txt' it looks like %(email) will work. Nope. Just tried but doesn't work... :( Does it work in your system? -- Bazzmann Labs(c) - Accessibilita', usabilita', webdesign e standard W3C ::--------------------------------::---------------------------------:: http://www.bazzmann.it | Il sito ufficiale di Bazzmann Labs. http://www.bazzmann.com | La risorsa per informare e aggiornare. http://www.dev2dev.it | Elemento D2D002 From barry at python.org Wed Jan 8 13:47:36 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 07:47:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Qmail Doc patch for 2.1 References: Message-ID: <15900.7656.334436.851124@gargle.gargle.HOWL> EL> This is a documentation patch for the README.QMAIL file. EL> There's not much testing here, but Barry would you consider EL> applying it? Sure, if other qmailers like it. Can you upload it as a patch to SF? Thanks, -Barry From barry at python.org Wed Jan 8 13:59:01 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 07:59:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1 > Footer user variable. References: <3E1A1F55.5030004@bazzmann.com> <20030107192511.A12218@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: <15900.8341.209573.183398@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "MD" == Matthew Davis writes: MD> From the 'verify.txt' it looks like %(email) will work. verify.txt doesn't enter into it. Go to Non-Digest Options -> personalize and read the details. -Barry From slipcon at mercea.net Wed Jan 8 14:19:05 2003 From: slipcon at mercea.net (Scott Lipcon) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 08:19:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1 daily checkdbs traceback Message-ID: <20030108131905.D911B53F@mercea.net> Hello, I just upgraded a 2.0.13 installation to 2.1, and I'm getting the following traceback every morning when checkdbs is called. I get the same traceback when I run checkdbs manually. I don't think any of my databases are corrupt - I ran bin/check_db on each list and no problems were reported. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 136, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 80, in main text += '\n' + pending_requests(mlist) File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 98, in pending_requests for id in mlist.GetSubscriptionIds(): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 157, in GetSubscriptionIds return self.__getmsgids(SUBSCRIPTION) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 149, in __getmsgids ids = [k for k, (type, data) in self.__db.items() if type == rtype] ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size The system is OpenBSD 2.8 on a sparc, with a newly compiled python 2.2.2 any ideas? Thanks, Scott PS: to the moderator: I sent this a day or so ago but was not subscribed - feel free to cancel the held posting, if you haven't already. From christophw at alphasierrapapa.com Wed Jan 8 14:40:01 2003 From: christophw at alphasierrapapa.com (Christoph Wille) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 14:40:01 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Banned Members Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030108143254.03cb6698@mail.alphasierrapapa.com> Is there a way in MM 2.0.13 to set up banned members on the list as well as site level? I haven't yet installed 2.1 so I don't know if banned members is a feature there. Besides banned members, I think useful list/site properties would be: auto-discard posts by non-members (yes/no), allow cross-posting (yes/no), daily message limit (numeric). Chris From ivanlan at pauahtun.org Wed Jan 8 14:53:15 2003 From: ivanlan at pauahtun.org (Ivan Van Laningham) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 06:53:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Every day Message-ID: <3E1C2D4B.10D42F2B@pauahtun.org> Hi All-- OK, I solved my other problem. But ever since I've installed and used Mailman (three years), I've received these little notes from cron: /etc/cron.daily/tmpwatch: error: failed to open /etc/mtab for reading Why is it trying to open /etc/mtab? What possible business could Mailman have with mtab (Redhat, 6.1, 6.2, 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 7.3)? Metta, Ivan ---------------------------------------------- Ivan Van Laningham God N Locomotive Works http://www.pauahtun.org/ http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours From johnslists at mcswartz.org Wed Jan 8 15:05:56 2003 From: johnslists at mcswartz.org (John Swartzentruber) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 09:05:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1 > Footer user variable. In-Reply-To: <15900.8341.209573.183398@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <200301081405.h08E5uW27344@arthur.swartz.primatech.com> On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 07:59:01 -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: >Go to Non-Digest Options -> personalize and read the details. It would be helpful if these personalized footer fields were also listed in the "Details for msg_footer". Or at least a mention that they are listed in the "Details for personalize". From chris at burchellfamily.ca Wed Jan 8 15:10:13 2003 From: chris at burchellfamily.ca (C Burchell) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 07:10:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retry - cron daemon error on FreeBSD 4.7 Message-ID: <000401c2b71f$a9b55e20$c803a8c0@grizzly> Original message did not seem to make it to the list, so let's try again... **************************** Hello - I'm new to Mailman. I have just recently installed mailman 2.0.12 on a FreeBSD 4.7 system using the pkg_add feature. I believe I have successfully configured the majority of the software package, but ever since I ran the '/usr/local/mailman/cron/crontab.in' I have been receiving the following e-mail message every minute: ************************************** Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 276, in ? lock.lock(timeout=0.5) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock self.__write() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w') IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.devilbear.kumacommunications.net. 14720' ************************************** /usr/local/ mailman dir entry reads as: drwxrwsr-x 18 root mailman 512 mailman Almost everything under /usr/local/mailman reads: (only expection is number of links in ls -l listing of some items) drwxrwsr-x 2 root 91 512 I apologize that if this has been addressed on this list before, but I have been so far unable to find a searchable archive of the Mailman-Users list. Any help / guidance to solve the issue above would be most appreciated. Regards, Chris From david at midrange.com Wed Jan 8 15:21:24 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:21:24 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Every day References: <3E1C2D4B.10D42F2B@pauahtun.org> Message-ID: "Ivan Van Laningham" wrote in message news:3E1C2D4B.10D42F2B at pauahtun.org... > OK, I solved my other problem. But ever since I've installed and used > Mailman (three years), I've received these little notes from cron: > /etc/cron.daily/tmpwatch: > error: failed to open /etc/mtab for reading > Why is it trying to open /etc/mtab? What possible business could > Mailman have with mtab (Redhat, 6.1, 6.2, 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 7.3)? What makes you think that message is coming from Mailman? That looks like a message from stock Redhat processes. david From ivanlan at pauahtun.org Wed Jan 8 15:40:45 2003 From: ivanlan at pauahtun.org (Ivan Van Laningham) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 07:40:45 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Every day References: <3E1C2D4B.10D42F2B@pauahtun.org> Message-ID: <3E1C386D.C62A9118@pauahtun.org> Hi All-- David Gibbs wrote: > > "Ivan Van Laningham" wrote in message > news:3E1C2D4B.10D42F2B at pauahtun.org... > > OK, I solved my other problem. But ever since I've installed and used > > Mailman (three years), I've received these little notes from cron: > > /etc/cron.daily/tmpwatch: > > error: failed to open /etc/mtab for reading > > Why is it trying to open /etc/mtab? What possible business could > > Mailman have with mtab (Redhat, 6.1, 6.2, 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 7.3)? > > What makes you think that message is coming from Mailman? > > That looks like a message from stock Redhat processes. > You might be right, but I never received those messages until Mailman was installed on RH 6.1, and I have continued to receive them daily through several changes/upgrades of RH to and including 7.3. I think it's perfectly normal to suspect something that was install the day before the messages started. Metta, Ivan ---------------------------------------------- Ivan Van Laningham God N Locomotive Works http://www.pauahtun.org/ http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours From bryanf at samurai.com Wed Jan 8 15:51:56 2003 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:51:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Login Persistence and Cookies In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20030107193732.00ab9e78@vlists.net> Message-ID: On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 08:37 PM, Paul Allen Rice wrote: > I've noticed that when I log out of the admin page for one list, go to > another and login there, then come back to the first list, all without > shutting down my browser, Mailman allows me back into the first list > admin > area without requesting a login. When you hit "logout", Mailman removes the contents of the cookie (but leaves the cookie itself until you exit the browser), so this really shouldn't work. If your browser allows you to inspect the contents of the cookies you have stored you can confirm this is working. When you say "allows me back", does that mean by hitting the back button, or re-entering the URL? The back button will display whatever was there before, but you shouldn't be able to modify anything without re-authenticating. Is it possible that your browser is auto-completing the login form? Bryan From ivanlan at pauahtun.org Wed Jan 8 15:58:14 2003 From: ivanlan at pauahtun.org (Ivan Van Laningham) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 07:58:14 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Every day References: <3E1C2D4B.10D42F2B@pauahtun.org> <3E1C386D.C62A9118@pauahtun.org> Message-ID: <3E1C3C86.E13C3203@pauahtun.org> Hi All-- Ivan Van Laningham wrote: > > Hi All-- > > David Gibbs wrote: > > > > "Ivan Van Laningham" wrote in message > > news:3E1C2D4B.10D42F2B at pauahtun.org... > > > OK, I solved my other problem. But ever since I've installed and used > > > Mailman (three years), I've received these little notes from cron: > > > /etc/cron.daily/tmpwatch: > > > error: failed to open /etc/mtab for reading > > > Why is it trying to open /etc/mtab? What possible business could > > > Mailman have with mtab (Redhat, 6.1, 6.2, 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 7.3)? > > > > What makes you think that message is coming from Mailman? > > > > That looks like a message from stock Redhat processes. > > > > You might be right, but I never received those messages until Mailman > was installed on RH 6.1, and I have continued to receive them daily > through several changes/upgrades of RH to and including 7.3. I think > it's perfectly normal to suspect something that was install the day > before the messages started. > Searching Redhat, I found this RPM: tmpwatch-2.8.1-1.i386.rpm It may or may not fix the problem; it says it applies to all versions of RH from 5.2 through 7.2, and I am running 7.2--I thought I'd upgraded to 7.3, but I hadn't. I'll have to wait till tomorrow to see if that fixed it. Metta, Ivan ---------------------------------------------- Ivan Van Laningham God N Locomotive Works http://www.pauahtun.org/ http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours From john at io.com Wed Jan 8 15:58:33 2003 From: john at io.com (John Buttery) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:58:33 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Every day In-Reply-To: <3E1C386D.C62A9118@pauahtun.org> References: <3E1C2D4B.10D42F2B@pauahtun.org> <3E1C386D.C62A9118@pauahtun.org> Message-ID: <20030108145833.GA28523@io.com> * Ivan Van Laningham [2003-01-08 07:40:45 -0700]: > You might be right, but I never received those messages until Mailman > was installed on RH 6.1, and I have continued to receive them daily > through several changes/upgrades of RH to and including 7.3. I think > it's perfectly normal to suspect something that was install the day > before the messages started. You might try running this command: rpm -qf /etc/cron.daily/tmpwatch That will tell you which package installed that file; that's the one that's generating the error message, right? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 196 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030108/e44ca8e4/attachment.pgp From brianr at bjsystems.co.uk Wed Jan 8 16:20:30 2003 From: brianr at bjsystems.co.uk (Brian Read) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 15:20:30 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personalization Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030108151656.03ec7a68@server01> I've just read the little spiel on this under the non digest options. I don't entirely understand the "batching" issue. I understood from a previous post that Mailman batches up to 100 postings together for the same domain. If, however there is little domain crossover in the members of the list, then the inefficiency implied by the personalization option will not have any effect. Am I correct in this? cheers Brian Brian J Read www.abandonmicrosoft.co.uk www.theonlineorganiser.com www.thepersonalknowledgebase.com Mitel SMEserver Contributions and Howtos: www.abandonmicrosoft.co.uk/abandon/links.html +44 1695 723723 From rhorer at swbell.net Wed Jan 8 16:37:23 2003 From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 09:37:23 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Every day In-Reply-To: <3E1C386D.C62A9118@pauahtun.org> References: <3E1C2D4B.10D42F2B@pauahtun.org> <3E1C386D.C62A9118@pauahtun.org> Message-ID: <200301080937.23042.rhorer@swbell.net> On Wednesday 08 January 2003 08:40, Ivan Van Laningham wrote: > > What makes you think that message is coming from Mailman? > > > > That looks like a message from stock Redhat processes. > > You might be right, but I never received those messages until Mailman > was installed on RH 6.1, and I have continued to receive them daily > through several changes/upgrades of RH to and including 7.3. I think > it's perfectly normal to suspect something that was install the day > before the messages started. It may be perfectly normal, but it's also perfectly presumptuous. From the tmpwatch man page: "When changing directories, tmpwatch is very sensitive to possible race conditions and will exit with an error if one is detected. It does not follow symbolic links in the directories it's cleaning (even if a symbolic link is given as its argument), will not switch filesystems, and only removes empty directories and regular files." Since it will not switch filesystems, tmpwatch needs to know on what mount point each filesystem is mounted. The way to do that is to read /etc/mtab. There is no direct connection between Mailman and tmpwatch or /etc/mtab, so your assumption that Mailman is at fault is plain wrong. It is possible that if you installed Mailman from a binary RPM some random person created, it might fiddle with /etc/mtab; however, your gripe then would be with the person who created the package incorrectly. It's also possible (neigh, likely) that other (unrelated) changes were made or software installed in the same session with Mailman. If you've only done in situ upgrades since the time your /etc/mtab permissions got hosed, it's quite likely that the permissions haven't been changed. An "rpm -qf /etc/mtab" will reveal that the file isn't part of any RPM package thus an upgrade wouldn't in and of itself touch the file. This is all a very drawn-out way of saying "it's not Mailman's fault." It's a system administration issue. Kyle -- Since the general civilizations of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. -James Madison From alex at phred.org Wed Jan 8 16:37:52 2003 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 07:37:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personalization In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030108151656.03ec7a68@server01> Message-ID: <20030108073546.J22737-100000@phred.org> On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Brian Read wrote: > I've just read the little spiel on this under the non digest options. > > I don't entirely understand the "batching" issue. I understood from a > previous post that Mailman batches up to 100 postings together for the same > domain. If, however there is little domain crossover in the members of the > list, then the inefficiency implied by the personalization option will not > have any effect. > > Am I correct in this? Yes. The batching is also customizable. I have my mailman batching set to 500. Look at SMTP_MAX_RCPTS. In my case each of the large domains is about 10% of my list population (800 members on my largest list at the moment and 83 have yahoo.com addresses). I'd much rather send a few messages to yahoo.com than 83. alex From jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch Wed Jan 8 16:43:47 2003 From: jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch (Jean Berthold) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 16:43:47 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem using "newlist" Message-ID: <3E1C4733.9C8951A5@eos-gd.ch> Hello everybody, I have installed the tools required by mailman: python and apache. Then, I installed mailman without visible errors. At this moment, I try to create my first list, unsuccessfully ... The server: -------------- $ uname -a SunOS atlanta 5.8 Generic_108528-13 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-5_10 $ id uid=1003(mailman) gid=103(mailman) $ mailmanctl start Starting Mailman's master qrunner. $ ps -ef | grep mailman mailman 15485 15482 3 16:29:09 ? 0:01 qrunner /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s mailman 15487 15482 3 16:29:09 ? 0:01 qrunner /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s mailman 23264 23262 0 Jan 07 pts/5 0:00 -ksh mailman 14567 23264 0 16:38:35 pts/5 0:00 vi Defaults.py mailman 15482 1 0 16:29:09 ? 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python mailmanctl start mailman 14028 13935 0 Jan 07 pts/6 0:00 -ksh mailman 15483 15482 3 16:29:09 ? 0:01 qrunner /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s mailman 15488 15482 3 16:29:10 ? 0:01 qrunner /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s mailman 14489 14465 0 Jan 07 pts/7 0:00 -ksh mailman 15486 15482 3 16:29:09 ? 0:01 qrunner /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s mailman 15484 15482 3 16:29:09 ? 0:01 qrunner /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s mailman 15489 15482 3 16:29:10 ? 0:01 qrunner /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s mailman 15491 14489 0 16:29:14 pts/7 0:00 grep mailman $ ps -ef | grep nobody nobody 14424 14423 0 Jan 07 ? 0:00 /usr/local/apache2/bin/httpd -k start nobody 15270 14423 0 10:52:29 ? 0:00 /usr/local/apache2/bin/httpd -k start nobody 14426 14423 0 Jan 07 ? 0:00 /usr/local/apache2/bin/httpd -k start nobody 14428 14423 0 Jan 07 ? 0:00 /usr/local/apache2/bin/httpd -k start nobody 14425 14423 0 Jan 07 ? 0:00 /usr/local/apache2/bin/httpd -k start nobody 15272 14423 0 10:52:30 ? 0:00 /usr/local/apache2/bin/httpd -k start nobody 14452 14423 0 Jan 07 ? 0:00 /usr/local/apache2/bin/httpd -k start nobody 15271 14423 0 10:52:30 ? 0:00 /usr/local/apache2/bin/httpd -k start nobody 14427 14423 0 Jan 07 ? 0:00 /usr/local/apache2/bin/httpd -k start The hostname of my mailman server: ------------------------------------------ mailman at atlanta # cat /etc/hosts # # Internet host table # 127.0.0.1 localhost 172.16.16.2 atlanta atlanta.eos.elro loghost Below, are the error messages: ------------------------------------ $ newlist test mailman at atlanta.eos.elro testlit Create a new, unpopulated mailing list. Usage: newlist [options] [listname [listadmin-addr [admin-password]]] Options: -l language --language language Make the list's preferred language `language', which must be a two letter language code. -q/--quiet Normally the administrator is notified by email (after a prompt) that their list has been created. This option suppresses the prompt and notification. -h/--help Print this help text and exit. You can specify as many of the arguments as you want on the command line: you will be prompted for the missing ones. Every Mailman list has two parameters which define the default host name for outgoing email, and the default URL for all web interfaces. When you configured Mailman, certain defaults were calculated, but if you are running multiple virtual Mailman sites, then the defaults may not be appropriate for the list you are creating. You can specify the domain to create your new list in by spelling the listname like so: mylist at www.mydom.ain where `www.mydom.ain' should be the base hostname for the URL to this virtual hosts's lists. E.g. with is setting people will view the general list overviews at http://www.mydom.ain/mailman/listinfo. Also, www.mydom.ain should be a key in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS mapping in mm_cfg.py/Defaults.py. It will be looked up to give the email hostname. If this can't be found, then www.mydom.ain will be used for both the web interface and the email interface. If you spell the list name as just `mylist', then the email hostname will be taken from DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and the url will be taken from DEFAULT_URL (as defined in your Defaults.py file or overridden by settings in mm_cfg.py). Note that listnames are forced to lowercase. Illegal list name: test at atlanta $ Do I need to specify an URL like www.... in my Defaults.py or can I keep this current configuration: # because otherwise the default mappings won't be correct. DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'atlanta' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'atlanta' DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/' I cannot found where is my error, could you help me ? Thanks by advance and have a nice day -- ________________________________ Jean Berthold EOS - energie ouest suisse Chemin de Mornex 10 , CP 570 CH-1001 Lausanne , Switzerland Tel. : +41 (0)21 341 24 58 Fax : +41 (0)21 341 20 49 E-Mail : jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch ________________________________ ...Unix is like a wigwam - no windows, no gates, apache inside... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <15899.43946.45565.974896@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 11:40 PM, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > Great sleuthing, Bryan! Thanks! > I don't have time tonight to work out a fix, but this is an excellent > clue, and I'm hopeful there's a workaround. I'll submit a bug. :) Bryan From mitchell at cs.uchicago.edu Wed Jan 8 17:42:59 2003 From: mitchell at cs.uchicago.edu (Mitchell Marks) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 10:42:59 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Further on Admin-only posting in 2.1 Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030108103612.03a67430@pop.cs.uchicago.edu> (MM 2.1 on RH 7.2, Sendmail 8.11.6) Hi, We have a list, recently moved from 2.0.x to 2.1, which we'd like to keep in "mostly-moderated" mode, with a couple addresses allowed to post without requiring approval, and posting from members help for approval. That's been working pretty well with the method in the FAQ extract quoted below. However, when a new member is added, her "mod" flag is off. So new members can post without a moderator approval, unless the admins remember to follow up on new member additions by setting that flag. It would be much nicer if the default new member options could be set to have the "mod" flag on. But this doesn't seem to be available from the web admin interface, at least, not among the default options shown on the General page. I see there is a list setting "new_member_options = 256" for this list. Would the moderation flag be another option I could add into "new_member_options"? Are the bits of "new_member_options" the same as individual member option settings? Could someone please post or steer me to documentation on these option settings? Thanks, Mitch Marks The extract with the method we're following: >3.11. How do I create a newsletter (admin-post only) ? >If you want to create a list to which only the admin or a restricted number >of people can post (such as a newsletter), set member_posting_only to "no" >and add the addresses of all allowed posters to posters. This is done on the >Privacy Options page. The relevant items are "Restrict posting to list >members" and "Addresses of members accepted...". There is a link to more >detailed information for the items which you might want to read as well. >[...] >In 2.1b, "Restrict posting to list members" is no longer available, >unfortunately. It appears the best solution for 2.1 is to make all members >require moderation, give them an auto-action if they try to post (discard or >bounce, e.g.), give all non-subscribers an auto-action, and then either >specifically allow certain non-subscribed addresses or un-mod certain >subscribed addresses to allow them to post. (If there is an easier way, >please correct this.) -- Mitchell Marks CUIP Tech Coordinator http://cuip.uchicago.edu CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project 5640 S Ellis Ave AAC-045, Univ of Chgo, Chgo IL 60637 Telephone: Ofc 773-702-6041 Fax 702-8212 Home (v.m. only, ok any time) 241-7166 Email: Primary address: mitch at cuip.uchicago.edu Alternate UofC addresses (use especially to report problems with cuip.uchicago.edu): mitchell at cs.uchicago.edu and mmar at midway.uchicago.edu Off-campus (ISP) address: mmarks at pobox.com First thing you learn is that you always gotta wait. --Lou Reed, ca. 1965 -- Mitchell Marks CUIP Tech Coordinator http://cuip.uchicago.edu CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project 5640 S Ellis Ave AAC-045, Univ of Chgo, Chgo IL 60637 Telephone: Ofc 773-702-6041 Fax 702-8212 Home (v.m. only, ok any time) 241-7166 Email: Primary address: mitch at cuip.uchicago.edu Alternate UofC addresses (use especially to report problems with cuip.uchicago.edu): mitchell at cs.uchicago.edu and mmar at midway.uchicago.edu Off-campus (ISP) address: mmarks at pobox.com He was just a prawn in their game. From barry at python.org Wed Jan 8 17:49:17 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:49:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1 > Footer user variable. References: <15900.8341.209573.183398@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <200301081405.h08E5uW27344@arthur.swartz.primatech.com> Message-ID: <15900.22157.215987.445286@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "JS" == John Swartzentruber writes: JS> On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 07:59:01 -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: >> Go to Non-Digest Options -> personalize and read the details. JS> It would be helpful if these personalized footer fields were JS> also listed in the "Details for msg_footer". Or at least a JS> mention that they are listed in the "Details for personalize". I agree, it's hard to find. Please submit a bug report on this. -Barry From alex at phred.org Wed Jan 8 17:52:32 2003 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:52:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1 digest headers (fwd) Message-ID: <20030108085136.V13967-100000@phred.org> I haven't seen any responses to this on the list. Are other people not having problems with many many more headers in MM 2.1 digests than they had in MM 2.0? Is the DEFAULT_PLAIN_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS flag broken? alex ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 21:35:59 -0800 (PST) From: alex wetmore To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1 digest headers I recently upgraded to 2.1 from 2.0.13. A number of my users are complaining about extra headers being placed in the digests. I'm using the default setting for DEFAULT_DIGEST_PLAIN_KEEP_HEADERS which is: DEFAULT_PLAIN_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS = ['message', 'date', 'from', 'subject', 'to', 'cc', 'reply-to', 'organization'] However I'm getting many more headers. Here is an example from a digest that went out today: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 16:41:54 -0800 From: Andrejs Ozolins To: Subject: Re: Promoting Moultons Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030103162825.00a3ca60 at mail.ozolins.com> In-Reply-To: <00a201c2b343$8f46ae70$95836418 at Home> References: <175.1470bd17.2b467901 at aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8 I'm not asking for Message-ID, References, Content-Type, MIME-Version, or Precedence...where are they coming from? Also, in 2.0.13 the subject for a digest listed the number of messages contained in the digest. Is there a way to turn that back on? alex ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: alex at phred.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/alex%40phred.org From bob at nleaudio.com Wed Jan 8 18:13:23 2003 From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:13:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL subscriber bounces In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030108171323.M27620@nleaudio.com> I've noticed that a few of my list subscribers are using AOL's functions to block email from certain senders, who are on my lists. So as a list admin, I get all these AOL bounces. Is there a simple script that can be used to direct these nastygrams bacl to their AOL user, so that the user can get nagged instead of me? The message looks something like: FROM: Mail Delivery Subsystem TO: Your message was not delivered because the user is not accepting mail from helpless at hotmail.com. aolusername Note that the aolusername isn't followed by "@aol.com", like it should be, to be parsed as a bounce. Bob From edg at greenberg.org Wed Jan 8 18:09:53 2003 From: edg at greenberg.org (Ed Greenberg) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 09:09:53 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RedHat 7.3, Python 1.5 and Mailman 2.1 Message-ID: <84727968.1042016993@W0007FHH30B.corp.palm.com> Mailman 2.1 requires Python 2, and RedHat 7.3 has only 1.5. There is a Python2 package on my RedHat 7.3 installation, so how can I make Mailman use it? Documentation states that I can use --with-python to control the actual mailman operation, but that the command line scripts will always use the first python on the path. Both python and python2 live in /usr/bin. Has anybody been down this path, and how did you get the command line scripts to use python2? From david at midrange.com Wed Jan 8 18:28:32 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:28:32 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: RedHat 7.3, Python 1.5 and Mailman 2.1 References: <84727968.1042016993@W0007FHH30B.corp.palm.com> Message-ID: "Ed Greenberg" wrote in message news:84727968.1042016993 at W0007FHH30B.corp.palm.com... > Mailman 2.1 requires Python 2, and RedHat 7.3 has only 1.5. There is a > Python2 package on my RedHat 7.3 installation, so how can I make Mailman > use it? It's pretty easy ... > Documentation states that I can use --with-python to control the actual > mailman operation, but that the command line scripts will always use the > first python on the path. Both python and python2 live in /usr/bin. This is the key ... add '--with-python=/usr/bin/python2' to the configure command line. Then 'make clean && make && make install'. david From dduane at rium.duane.com Mon Jan 6 23:13:16 2003 From: dduane at rium.duane.com (Darrell Duane) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 17:13:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm2.1 cookie problem? In-Reply-To: <24FBF3B6-21AD-11D7-BA64-000393013B04@samurai.com> from "Bryan Fullerton" at Jan 06, 2003 02:29:16 PM Message-ID: <200301062213.h06MDGRo002042@rium.duane.com> Bryan, I'm seeing the same thing from Mozilla on Linux. I haven't tried restarting my browser. It works fine from Mozilla on Windows. Anything else I should try to help diagnose this problem? Darrell > >I've run into something since I installed mm2.1 and wanted to see if >anyone else is seeing it before I report it as a bug. > > From time to time (ah, the best kind of bug), the cookie set when >logging into a list seems to "go bad" - after authenticating, any other >admin operation (admin pages, admindb, list archives) results in >prompting again for the password every time a link is clicked or a form >submitted. > >At first I thought this was just something with my browser (OmniWeb >4.1.1 on MacOS X), but one of my list admins whose list I just migrated >from 2.0 to 2.1 has said it's happened to him as well, and he's using >IE5.5 on WinME. > >For me, the fix has been to quit and restart the browser - once that's >done, everything works as expected. My list owner, however, had to >reboot his machine (probably because IE doesn't necessarily really quit >when you quit the app since it's used to much by the OS..). > >It's possible that this is something to do with mm2.0 <-> mm2.1 >interworking, either to do with cookies set for both the old and new >version of the list, or cookies set for other lists with a similar name >(the list in question is called trawler-world-list-help, there's also >trawler-world-list and several other trawler-world-* lists which are >still mm2.0). > >Anyone seen this? > >Thanks, > >Bryan > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: dduane at duane.com >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/dduane%40duane.com > From dclampitt at rcn.com Tue Jan 7 23:27:41 2003 From: dclampitt at rcn.com (Dustin Clampitt) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 17:27:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman needs a "silently discard" option Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030107172501.00ac3ef0@pop.rcn.com> >Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only) Under >nearly all circumstances this should be set to "yes." This restriction >will cause Mailman to hold for administrative review all posts to the list >that do not originate from a list member. Setting this to yes prevents you >from being spammed by people who manage to get a hold of your list address. Mailman needs a mechanism for either silently discarding posts from non-members, or, it should be able to forward to an email address separate from the administrative address. It's the admins who are getting spammed. Throw the crap away and send the admin notification of the discard. Please give us this knob. Thank you! Dustin Clampitt From ed at easent.net Tue Jan 7 19:32:50 2003 From: ed at easent.net (Ed) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 13:32:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RFE Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030107132628.034a6ab0@mail.easent.net> Hi Gang, 2 things Mailman really needs, 1 is database integration, and there's an RFE out there for that. The other is a simple scripting language to be used within the mail body itself. Things like conditionals, the ability to import data from URL's, and equally database tables. The import facility is critical to delivering targeted content within the message distribution. Being able to import the results of a -HTTP GET- to a URL goes a long way towards that, especially if it will allow you to pass parameters on the URL. Also, make the return an "object" so you can perform operations on the object like sub-strings so you could use other functionality like "skip" this user or add some other content block based on something in the return. These 2 things would be so awesome. Thanks for listening ! --Ed ____________________________________________________ World-Class Web Hosting and Development http://www.easent.net From John_Minkle/huntalt at huntalternatives.org Thu Jan 2 22:58:03 2003 From: John_Minkle/huntalt at huntalternatives.org (John_Minkle/huntalt at huntalternatives.org) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:58:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lotus Notes Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030102/b937b26f/attachment.html From webmaster at travellercentral.com Fri Jan 3 17:42:19 2003 From: webmaster at travellercentral.com (Tod Glenn) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 08:42:19 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Htdig patch not available Message-ID: Has anyone been able to access the htdig patch (444884) for Mailman 2.1? When I follow the link on source forge, I get an empty page. -- Never raise your fist in anger. It leaves your groin unprotected. -- Tod L Glenn webmaster at travellercentral.com From walst005 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jan 3 22:01:20 2003 From: walst005 at tc.umn.edu (Chad Walstrom) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:01:20 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix+mailman w/o chunking? Message-ID: <20030103210120.GB30459@lysine.cbs.umn.edu> (Please include me in the "Cc:" as I'm not a member of the list.) OS Sun Solaris 2.6 + security patches Postfix Version: 1.1.12 Mailman Version: 2.0.13 I am having problems getting postfix to deliver emails to large recipient lists without chunking (SMTP_MAX_RCPTS=0). I had found the problem to be related to postfix's default settings for smtpd_recipient_limit. After raising that to a setting more akin to the size of the lists (10,000), an almost successful delivery of a message to this list happened around 7:00 this morning. The postmaster email address received this, however: ...[snip]... Out: 250 Ok In: rcpt TO: Out: 250 Ok In: rcpt TO: Out: 250 Ok In: rcpt TO: Out: 250 Ok In: data Out: 354 End data with . Out: 451 Error: queue file write error The list has 2290 recipients. The qrunner picked it up at: Jan 03 03:53:25 2003 (16522) Reading qfile: /opt/mailman/qfiles/dff5c47096b9651c6673d7c3ebcf696228d4d7bd It quit processing this message at: Jan 03 07:06:46 2003 (8432) Keeping message. (These messages I've added in the qrunner script). You've seen the error it produced. There are two problems I see with this. First is that this is awfully slow (probably because my overly strict smtp_recipient_restrictions). Second, it choked and held up the rest of the hosted lists by staying resident in memory. The error in the error log is as follows: Jan 03 07:06:46 2003 qrunner(8432): Traceback (innermost last): Jan 03 07:06:46 2003 qrunner(8432): File "/opt/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 292, in ? Jan 03 07:06:46 2003 qrunner(8432): kids = main(lock) Jan 03 07:06:46 2003 qrunner(8432): File "/opt/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 200, in main Jan 03 07:06:46 2003 qrunner(8432): lock.refresh() Jan 03 07:06:46 2003 qrunner(8432): File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh Jan 03 07:06:46 2003 qrunner(8432): raise NotLockedError Jan 03 07:06:46 2003 qrunner(8432): Mailman.LockFile . NotLockedError So something VERY strange is going on here. Since then, I've removed the file from the queue and tried to resend it. I've also set the SMTP_MAX_RCPTS=500. Things seem to be much more successful, as the queue is filled with bounces for that list regarding the resent message, now. However, the last time the message was loaded by qrunner was: Jan 03 14:12:24 2003 (9396) Reading qfile: /opt/mailman/qfiles/5e2065f6a2bac8a3b7e4d30b8ef74f52f5120f36 It completed the job at: Jan 03 14:52:05 2003 (9396) Keeping message. Jan 03 14:52:06 2003 (9396) qrunner ended The post log reported 40 failures instead of 2286! Yay! ;-) Looks like most of those are legitimate "Domain not found" errors. I've rearranged the smtp_recipient_restrictions settings a bit so that hostname lookups and rbl stuff happen after the check_relay_domains. I'm hoping that'll speed things up a bit. Do you have any suggestions on how to fix the aforementioned problem. Any idea why the lock attempt would fail? Any ideas on how to speed things up? -- Chad C. Walstrom 247 Gortner Hall Asst. Coordinator of IT Phone: 612-625-6208 College of Biological Sciences, University of MN From ges at wingfoot.org Sat Jan 4 01:01:28 2003 From: ges at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 19:01:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about fixing an install.. In-Reply-To: <15894.8435.226643.781179@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030103181115.0647ae18@mail.wingfoot.org> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030103185930.0643e870@mail.wingfoot.org> At 06:46 PM 1/3/2003 -0500, Barry A. Warsaw posted the following... >It would be worth investigating why you still get this. You shouldn't! I'm in full agreement with you on this :) >You cd to /usr/local/mailman and type "bin/list_lists". Does the >mailman list show up there? It should. (Stuff deleted for privacy) Mailman - [no description available] Test2 - A test list for Glenn to play with. Yup it's there... :) >The databases for 2.1b5, 2.1rc1, and 2.1final are completely identical >so your files should work just fine in any of those versions, although >of course I'll recommend moving to 2.1 final instead of messing with >betas or release candidates. I don't think any of those will have any >effect on your site-list problem. Ok cool.. I'll hang out on 2.1b5 then until 2.1 final comes out... So, what do I need to post in order to help figure out what's going on here? :-/ Thanks! Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear "Religion is for those who do what they are told regardless of what is right. Spirituality is for those who do what is right regardless of what they are told." -- unattributed From slipcon at mercea.net Sun Jan 5 19:25:48 2003 From: slipcon at mercea.net (Scott Lipcon) Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 13:25:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 nightly checkdbs traveback Message-ID: <20030105182548.5E82535A@mercea.net> Hello, I just upgraded a 2.0.13 installation to 2.1, and I'm getting the following traceback every night when checkdbs is called. I get the same traceback when I run checkdbs manually. I don't think any of my databases are corrupt - I ran bin/check_db on each list and no problems were reported. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 136, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 80, in main text += '\n' + pending_requests(mlist) File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 98, in pending_requests for id in mlist.GetSubscriptionIds(): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 157, in GetSubscriptionIds return self.__getmsgids(SUBSCRIPTION) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 149, in __getmsgids ids = [k for k, (type, data) in self.__db.items() if type == rtype] ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size The system is OpenBSD 2.8 on a sparc, with a newly compiled python 2.2.2 any ideas? Thanks, Scott From M9115024 at mail.ntust.edu.tw Mon Jan 6 09:09:02 2003 From: M9115024 at mail.ntust.edu.tw (Alex Wu) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 16:09:02 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where is "create" source code? Message-ID: <002c01c2b55a$e0562020$ce00a8c0@mm5> tcl-object.tcl : proc new { className args } { set o [SplitObject getid] if [catch "$className create $o $args" msg] { if [string match "__FAILED_SHADOW_OBJECT_" $msg] { # The shadow object failed to be allocated. delete $o return "" } global errorInfo error "class $className: constructor failed: $msg" $errorInfo } return $o This is the procedure new in tcl-object.tcl file. The procedure new calls a create command. I wanna see the create's source code. Would you please tell me where the source is? Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030106/73bf51cd/attachment.htm From jdennis at redhat.com Tue Jan 7 16:21:31 2003 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 10:21:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no 2.1 version on Gnu FTP site? Message-ID: <3E1AF07B.1000308@redhat.com> I went looking for the new 2.1 version so we can update the RedHat RPM with it, but I was surprised that there was no 2.1 version on the GNU FTP site, but I did find it on SourceForge. Is this an oversight? John From mitchell at cuip.net Tue Jan 7 20:37:44 2003 From: mitchell at cuip.net (Mitchell Marks) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 13:37:44 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Further on Admin-only posting in 2.1 Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030107131406.05210a60@pop.cs.uchicago.edu> (MM 2.1 on RH 7.2, Sendmail 8.11.6) Hi, We have a list, recently moved from 2.0.x to 2.1, which we'd like to keep in "mostly-moderated" mode, with a couple addresses allowed to post without requiring approval, and posting from members help for approval. That's been working pretty well with the method in the FAQ extract quoted below. However, when a new member is added, her "mod" flag is off. So new members can post without a moderator approval, unless the admins remember to follow up on new member additions by setting that flag. It would be much nicer if the default new member options could be set to have the "mod" flag on. But this doesn't seem to be available from the web admin interface, at least, not among the default options shown on the General page. I see there is a list setting "new_member_options = 256" for this list. Would the moderation flag be another option I could add into "new_member_options"? Are the bits of "new_member_options" the same as individual member option settings? Could someone please post or steer me to documentation on these option settings? Thanks, Mitch Marks The extract with the method we're following: >3.11. How do I create a newsletter (admin-post only) ? >If you want to create a list to which only the admin or a restricted number >of people can post (such as a newsletter), set member_posting_only to "no" >and add the addresses of all allowed posters to posters. This is done on the >Privacy Options page. The relevant items are "Restrict posting to list >members" and "Addresses of members accepted...". There is a link to more >detailed information for the items which you might want to read as well. >[...] >In 2.1b, "Restrict posting to list members" is no longer available, >unfortunately. It appears the best solution for 2.1 is to make all members >require moderation, give them an auto-action if they try to post (discard or >bounce, e.g.), give all non-subscribers an auto-action, and then either >specifically allow certain non-subscribed addresses or un-mod certain >subscribed addresses to allow them to post. (If there is an easier way, >please correct this.) -- Mitchell Marks CUIP Tech Coordinator http://cuip.uchicago.edu CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project 5640 S Ellis Ave AAC-045, Univ of Chgo, Chgo IL 60637 Telephone: Ofc 773-702-6041 Fax 702-8212 Home (v.m. only, ok any time) 241-7166 Email: Primary address: mitch at cuip.uchicago.edu Alternate UofC addresses (use especially to report problems with cuip.uchicago.edu): mitchell at cs.uchicago.edu and mmar at midway.uchicago.edu Off-campus (ISP) address: mmarks at pobox.com First thing you learn is that you always gotta wait. --Lou Reed, ca. 1965 From raquel at thericehouse.net Wed Jan 8 19:02:20 2003 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:02:20 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem using "newlist" In-Reply-To: <3E1C4733.9C8951A5@eos-gd.ch> References: <3E1C4733.9C8951A5@eos-gd.ch> Message-ID: <20030108100220.28e10261.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Wed, 08 Jan 2003 16:43:47 +0100 jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch (Jean Berthold) wrote: > Illegal list name: test at atlanta > $ > > Do I need to specify an URL like www.... in my Defaults.py or can > I keep this current configuration: > # because otherwise the default mappings won't be correct. > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'atlanta' > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'atlanta' > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/' > > I cannot found where is my error, could you help me ? > > Thanks by advance and have a nice day Jean, I believe you need to provide an FQDN: atlanta.eos.elro -- Raquel ============================================================ One is not born a woman, one becomes one. --Simone de Beauvoir From kennywu at ea.com Sun Jan 5 01:32:46 2003 From: kennywu at ea.com (Wu, Kenny) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 16:32:46 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need Help Message-ID: <921978234DB4D311AAB500805FE6C679020BC55C@eac-exch1.eac.ea.com> I am having problem create a new list. List created after I issued command ./newlist test, but there is no email send to the list owner. Here is my Mailman configuration. OS: RedHat Advance Server 2.1 Mailman: 2.1 Apache: 1.3.23 MTA: Exim 3.33-4 Python: 2.2.2 I can send mail from Mailman server to my Win2k machine which use Outlook as email client. I used the instructions from "HOWTO -using exim and Mailman 2.1" to set up the /etc/exim/exim.conf. Any help will be greatly appreciate. Thanks Kenny Wu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030104/02c0e9ba/attachment.html From tasouth at iglou.com Thu Jan 2 21:36:58 2003 From: tasouth at iglou.com (Alan South) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 14:36:58 -0600 (Central Standard Time) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to use... Message-ID: <3E14A2EA.000008.72097@tasouth> Greetings! I was interested in using Mailman. I assume this needs to be installed on a server? 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Anyone have any clue what is going wrong? rgds, mr_zali From raquel at thericehouse.net Wed Jan 8 19:09:23 2003 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:09:23 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL subscriber bounces In-Reply-To: <20030108171323.M27620@nleaudio.com> References: <20030108171323.M27620@nleaudio.com> Message-ID: <20030108100923.2387e75e.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:13:23 -0500 "Bob Puff at NLE" wrote: > I've noticed that a few of my list subscribers are using AOL's > functions to block email from certain senders, who are on my > lists. So as a list admin, I get all these AOL bounces. Is there > a simple script that can be used to direct these nastygrams bacl > to their AOL user, so that the user can get nagged instead of me? > > The message looks something like: > > FROM: Mail Delivery Subsystem > TO: > > Your message was not delivered because the user is not accepting > mail from helpless at hotmail.com. > > aolusername > > Note that the aolusername isn't followed by "@aol.com", like it > should be, to be parsed as a bounce. > > Bob > If it was my list, I would just write the AOL users and ask them to remove the block, and if they don't you'll have to unsubscribe them. -- Raquel ============================================================ One is not born a woman, one becomes one. --Simone de Beauvoir From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Wed Jan 8 19:19:03 2003 From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 18:19:03 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no 2.1 version on Gnu FTP site? In-Reply-To: <3E1AF07B.1000308@redhat.com> Message-ID: When will this RPM be produced? And where can I get it from? -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+badmangabriel=lycos.co.uk at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+badmangabriel=lycos.co.uk at python.org]On Behalf Of John Dennis Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 3:22 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] no 2.1 version on Gnu FTP site? I went looking for the new 2.1 version so we can update the RedHat RPM with it, but I was surprised that there was no 2.1 version on the GNU FTP site, but I did find it on SourceForge. Is this an oversight? John ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/badmangabriel%40lycos.c o.uk From raquel at thericehouse.net Wed Jan 8 19:23:04 2003 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:23:04 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to use... In-Reply-To: <3E14A2EA.000008.72097@tasouth> References: <3E14A2EA.000008.72097@tasouth> Message-ID: <20030108102304.402df6d9.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 14:36:58 -0600 (Central Standard Time) "Alan South" wrote: > Greetings! > > I was interested in using Mailman. I assume this needs to be > installed on a server? So if I as an individual user had so much > web space through my local ISP, I could install it in that space > and start to use the program? > > Many thanks! > Alan Only if you have root access on the server. Your ISP could install it and make the necessary changes for you when they're needed, and possibly charge extra for it. -- Raquel ============================================================ One is not born a woman, one becomes one. --Simone de Beauvoir From david at midrange.com Wed Jan 8 19:25:48 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:25:48 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: RFE References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030107132628.034a6ab0@mail.easent.net> Message-ID: "Ed" wrote in message news:5.1.0.14.2.20030107132628.034a6ab0 at mail.easent.net... > The import facility is critical to delivering targeted content within the > message distribution. Being able to import the results of a -HTTP GET- to > a URL goes a long way towards that, especially if it will allow you to pass > parameters on the URL. Also, make the return an "object" so you can > perform operations on the object like sub-strings so you could use other > functionality like "skip" this user or add some other content block based > on something in the return. But that is not, IMHO, what Mailman is designed to do. What you are talking about is a bulk mailer ... not a mailing list system. Again, my opinion ... but Mailman is designed to facilitate email based discussion forums ... not blasting email to a huge number of people at once. david From sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx Wed Jan 8 19:21:51 2003 From: sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Sammons?=) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:21:51 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Accepting a message. Message-ID: <20030108182151.62974.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> I?m working with MM2.1rc3, Python2.1 and qmail with virtual domains in a Debian Linux, the problem is when I want to accept, defer, reject or discard a post in Administrative requests tool and redirect from my original page to another virtual domain page!!! i.e. http://mydomain/mailman/admindb/testlist after press "submit your changes" it redirect to https://myvirtualdomain/mailman/admindb/testlist and do nothing (the heldmsg-testlist.pck is yet there...) Any ideas???? Thanks in advanced!!! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? La mejor conexi?n a internet y 25MB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes. http://net.yahoo.com.mx From jaearick at colby.edu Wed Jan 8 19:31:32 2003 From: jaearick at colby.edu (Jeff A. Earickson) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 13:31:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] after 2.0.13->2.1 upgrade, files needed? Message-ID: Hi, I've noticed that the following files in my web mailman space, eg /web/data/mailman/lists/[listname], that the following files no longer seem to be in use: config.db*, *.html. I've noticed that mailing lists that I've created after the upgrade only contain config.pck, config.pck.last, and request.db. Can I assume that the config.db and html files are left over from 2.0.x and can now be deleted? ----------------------------------- Jeff A. Earickson, Ph.D Senior UNIX Sysadmin and Email Guru Information Technology Services Colby College, 4214 Mayflower Hill, Waterville ME, 04901-8842 phone: 207-872-3659 (fax = 3076) ----------------------------------- From edg at greenberg.org Wed Jan 8 19:36:44 2003 From: edg at greenberg.org (Ed Greenberg) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 10:36:44 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: RedHat 7.3, Python 1.5 and Mailman 2.1 In-Reply-To: References: <84727968.1042016993@W0007FHH30B.corp.palm.com> Message-ID: <89938421.1042022204@W0007FHH30B.corp.palm.com> --On Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:28 AM -0600 David Gibbs wrote: > "Ed Greenberg" wrote in message > news:84727968.1042016993 at W0007FHH30B.corp.palm.com... >> Mailman 2.1 requires Python 2, and RedHat 7.3 has only 1.5. There is a >> Python2 package on my RedHat 7.3 installation, so how can I make Mailman >> use it? > > It's pretty easy ... > >> Documentation states that I can use --with-python to control the actual >> mailman operation, but that the command line scripts will always use the >> first python on the path. Both python and python2 live in /usr/bin. > > This is the key ... add '--with-python=/usr/bin/python2' to the configure > command line. Then 'make clean && make && make install'. > > david > Works. The scripts even find the python2 executiable, just fine. The doc intimated that the command line scripts wouldn't run. Well, off to configure... Thanks, From edg at greenberg.org Wed Jan 8 19:41:54 2003 From: edg at greenberg.org (Ed Greenberg) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 10:41:54 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL subscriber bounces In-Reply-To: <20030108100923.2387e75e.raquel@thericehouse.net> References: <20030108171323.M27620@nleaudio.com> <20030108100923.2387e75e.raquel@thericehouse.net> Message-ID: <90248453.1042022514@W0007FHH30B.corp.palm.com> I have this problem too, though it's not severe, and frankly, the guy being blocked is moderately awful, so would be pretty bad to a less insensitive person than myself :) I prefer that they can block each other, since it keeps them from responding to each other and flaming. I also would rather though that the sender got the bounce, so that he would know he was being dissed :) So I'm also interested in the answer. Currently running 2.0.?? but migrating to 2.1 as we speak :) > If it was my list, I would just write the AOL users and ask them to > remove the block, and if they don't you'll have to unsubscribe them. > > -- > Raquel From ler at lerctr.org Wed Jan 8 19:54:12 2003 From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 12:54:12 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: RFE In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030107132628.034a6ab0@mail.easent.net> Message-ID: <215830000.1042052052@lerlaptop.iadfw.net> --On Wednesday, January 08, 2003 12:25:48 -0600 David Gibbs wrote: > "Ed" wrote in message > news:5.1.0.14.2.20030107132628.034a6ab0 at mail.easent.net... >> The import facility is critical to delivering targeted content within the >> message distribution. Being able to import the results of a -HTTP GET- >> to a URL goes a long way towards that, especially if it will allow you to > pass >> parameters on the URL. Also, make the return an "object" so you can >> perform operations on the object like sub-strings so you could use other >> functionality like "skip" this user or add some other content block based >> on something in the return. > > But that is not, IMHO, what Mailman is designed to do. > > What you are talking about is a bulk mailer ... not a mailing list system. > > Again, my opinion ... but Mailman is designed to facilitate email based > discussion forums ... not blasting email to a huge number of people at > once. THANK YOU. My pink detector went off REAL BAD on this one. It sounds SO SIMILAR to what a certain person asked of me to install Mailman. -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 From rsr at inorganic.org Wed Jan 8 19:59:14 2003 From: rsr at inorganic.org (Roy S. Rapoport) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:59:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: RFE In-Reply-To: <215830000.1042052052@lerlaptop.iadfw.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Larry Rosenman wrote: > > What you are talking about is a bulk mailer ... not a mailing list system. > > > > Again, my opinion ... but Mailman is designed to facilitate email based > > discussion forums ... not blasting email to a huge number of people at > > once. > THANK YOU. My pink detector went off REAL BAD on this one. It sounds SO > SIMILAR > to what a certain person asked of me to install Mailman. ditto. I like to think of mailman in terms of Russ Allbery's famous Usenet rant -- Mailman is there for discussions between human beings, not as an engine for automated systems to spew their database. -roy From chuqui at plaidworks.com Wed Jan 8 20:09:45 2003 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:09:45 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: RFE In-Reply-To: <215830000.1042052052@lerlaptop.iadfw.net> Message-ID: On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 10:54 AM, Larry Rosenman wrote: >>> The import facility is critical to delivering targeted content >>> within the >>> message distribution. >> But that is not, IMHO, what Mailman is designed to do. >> >> What you are talking about is a bulk mailer ... not a mailing list >> system. >> > THANK YOU. They're correct. Don't use a hammer to fasten screws. We run one of the larger mailman installs out there (behind sourceforge, but I'm not sure there are many others larger). I also run a hunk o' my company's e-marketing operations. When we needed systems for that, which require a much different user interface than discussion lists do, I wrote custom systems. Mailman really isn't something yous hould try to wedge into that round hole, and I don't think it makes sense to try to use it as the backend... -- Chuq Von Rospach, Architech chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/ Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh nervously and change the subject. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Architech chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/ But when that last guitar's been packed away You know that I still want to play So just make sure you got it all set to go Before you come for my piano From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net Wed Jan 8 19:22:57 2003 From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes) Date: 08 Jan 2003 10:22:57 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Htdig patch not available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1042050183.24818.12.camel@galileo.carola.lan> On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 08:42, Tod Glenn wrote: > Has anyone been able to access the htdig patch (444884) for Mailman 2.1? > When I follow the link on source forge, I get an empty page. Tod, This problem was reported as fixed (yesterday). Which browser and platform are you using? Did you try to load the page today? If this problem is still present, I'm sure the SF staff would like to address it. Are you able to retrieve the patch with wget? wget "http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=103&atid=300103&file_id=38660&aid=444884" -O htdig-2.1-0.1.patch -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ http://sitedocs.sf.net/ http://ffl.sf.net/ From adam at backboard.org Wed Jan 8 19:37:48 2003 From: adam at backboard.org (Adam Beatham) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 13:37:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BSD package? was: no 2.1 version on Gnu FTP site? In-Reply-To: References: <3E1AF07B.1000308@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030108133705.02718c50@slapshot.thegeek.net> along these same lines.. I don't suppose there's a BSD package, specifically OpenBSD, for v2.1 ? -adam At 06:19 PM 1/8/2003 +0000, Angel Gabriel wrote: >When will this RPM be produced? And where can I get it from? -adam ...the guy behind the guy behind the guy From tmaddox at thereinc.com Wed Jan 8 20:18:52 2003 From: tmaddox at thereinc.com (Tom Maddox) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 11:18:52 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists periodically vanishing Message-ID: <3E1C799C.9060506@thereinc.com> Hi, everyone, I've just been assigned the task of managing an existing mailman installation, and it's evidently been having a recurring problem with lists mysteriously vanishing for some short period of time and then reappearing, occasionally in a corrupted state (membership list and config settings hosed, etc.) The symptoms I've observed are as follows: 1) Mail sent to a list will bounce with a message like the following: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: Data format error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- list: Mailbox does not exist 501 5.6.0 Data format error 2) Attempting to access the archive web page for the list returns a "404 Not found" error, although it *is* possible to access the standard information page about the list. Relevant system information: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE #0 sendmail 8.12.6 Mailman 2.0.8 The mailman archives are also being archived by mhonarc v.2.5.13; archiving by mhonarc happens every 15 minutes. It scans for changes in the mailman archives and then updates its own copy as necessary (at least, that's how I think it works). I would guess it's possible that mhonarc is locking the list archive file and causing concurrency issues and disruptions in the list as a result. Any thoughts? Thanks, Tom From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Jan 8 20:57:03 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:57:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where is "create" source code? In-Reply-To: <002c01c2b55a$e0562020$ce00a8c0@mm5> References: <002c01c2b55a$e0562020$ce00a8c0@mm5> Message-ID: <20030108195703.GC4731@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Alex Wu wrote: > I wanna see the create's source code. > Would you please tell me where the source is? I believe you're looking for Mailman/Cgi/create.py, if you haven't already found it. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz ============================================================================ Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+HIKPuv+09NZUB1oRAn9LAKDLxN2cmiP+D+4TCH8WAjMSbN9TggCgrBgX dHzM1hhYXaBhgkOf64/z7bo= =8kj2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Jan 8 21:31:42 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:31:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 Install Issues In-Reply-To: <15891.38606.822540.763573@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <200212312340.gBVNe5P13504@ns1.sphds.org> <15891.38606.822540.763573@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20030108203142.GD4731@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > > >>>>> "DL" == David LeVine writes: [...] > DL> - All of the subdirectories under > DL> ~mailman/{messages,templates} were created with permissions > DL> 02755 instead of 02775. > > Also works for me: [...] > What OS are you using? Do you see any errors in the "make install" > output? Can you check that output for anomolies? I noticed the same thing when I installed. I installed on a redhat 7.3 box. I could be way off here, as I'm no Makefile guru, but I have a guess at what's happening. Please excuse me if I've missed something glaringly obvious. Having read the INSTALL file a bit too quickly, I missed the admonition to "not be root" for the ./configure; make; make install. So, out of habit, I ran su -c "make install". root's umask was set to 0022. The Makefiles in messages and templates call mkinstalldirs to create the directory trees but I don't see any chmod to make sure that the perms are correct. In messages/Makefile, there is a chmod on the dirs inside each subdir of messages, but that doesn't help with the language dirs themselves. There's a similar thing done in templates/Makefile. I would guess that this normally just works because many users umasks are set to 0002 instead of 0022. Since it's important that these dirs have the proper perms, shouldn't they be chmod'd explicitly instead of relying on a users umask? - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz ============================================================================ We can have justice whenever those who have not been injured by injustice are as outraged by it as those who have been. -- Solon (594 B.C.) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+HIquuv+09NZUB1oRAlHIAJ9VqiokZGkX9luFiz4OlvQa959AVACdGI95 JeDqdQrt+KeYDblK1lp4VjE= =nH+m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Todd.Miller at courtesan.com Wed Jan 8 21:40:47 2003 From: Todd.Miller at courtesan.com (Todd C. Miller) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 13:40:47 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BSD package? was: no 2.1 version on Gnu FTP site? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 08 Jan 2003 13:37:48 EST." <5.2.0.9.0.20030108133705.02718c50@slapshot.thegeek.net> References: <3E1AF07B.1000308@redhat.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20030108133705.02718c50@slapshot.thegeek.net> Message-ID: <200301082040.h08Kelvq025663@xerxes.courtesan.com> In message <5.2.0.9.0.20030108133705.02718c50 at slapshot.thegeek.net> so spake Adam Beatham (adam): > along these same lines.. I don't suppose there's a BSD package, > specifically OpenBSD, for v2.1 ? That's something you should ask the OpenBSD mailman port owner. It is, however, pretty easy to build mailman from source on OpenBSD. I did it a couple days ago w/o any problems. - todd From rhorer at swbell.net Wed Jan 8 22:09:47 2003 From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 15:09:47 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman needs a "silently discard" option In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030107172501.00ac3ef0@pop.rcn.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030107172501.00ac3ef0@pop.rcn.com> Message-ID: <200301081509.47961.rhorer@swbell.net> On Tuesday 07 January 2003 16:27, Dustin Clampitt wrote: > Mailman needs a mechanism for either silently discarding posts from > non-members, Upgrade to 2.1. > It's the admins who are getting spammed. Throw the crap away and > send the admin notification of the discard. How is that "silently discarding" the post? All you've done is replace the spam from random miscreants with spam from your own system. Kyle -- Since the general civilizations of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. -James Madison From aaronda at freespeech.org Wed Jan 8 23:07:21 2003 From: aaronda at freespeech.org (Aaron M Daley) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:07:21 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron daemon error Message-ID: I installed mailman on a new machine running redhat 8. That machine is also running the latest 1.X apache and sendmail packages. Everything installed fine. I copied over some other lists that were running on and older machine and they show up fine on the admin page. I can configure them and everything. All aliases are set up in /etc/aliases. However when I tried to send a test message, it seems to go through fine, I get no emails saying the the mail server rejected it or anything. What I do get is a constant and steady stream of emails from the cron daemon all saying the exact same thing: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main process_lists(lock) File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 148, in process_lists conn, first, last = open_newsgroup(mlist) File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 75, in open_newsgroup password=mm_cfg.NNTP_PASSWORD) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 111, in __init__ self.sock.connect((self.host, self.port)) socket.error: (111, 'Connection refused') I have no idea what this means. I'm pretty green when it comes to linux so keep that in mind. I do know what the cron daemon is and I did set up the mailman cron entry as instructed in there install directions. you can also reply to me directly at aaronda at freespeech.org From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Thu Jan 9 01:08:52 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 09:08:52 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] patch for Re: problems with different chatsets References: <3E1B9136.1010306@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <04c201c2b720$1dab5780$6401a8c0@marcedon.it> Message-ID: <3E1CBD94.6080705@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, I have uploaded the patch on SourceForge. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=664209&group_id=103&atid=300103 Alberto Marcedone wrote: > Please, you can send me the complete Decorate.py or attach it in a message > in the mailing list? > alberto at marcedone.it > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tokio Kikuchi" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 3:47 AM > Subject: [Mailman-Users] patch for Re: problems with different chatsets > > > >>Hi Folks, >> >>I've been reading -users with digest option. So, forgive me for >>cutting the thread. Since the patch manager of SF is not allowing >>to upload a new patch now, I send this to the list. (sorry, if >>it's folded) >> >>With this patch, Decorate.py will try to make the footer and header >>in a plain text message by converting the three into unicode and >>then encode in a appropriate (defined by mailman) charset. >> >>Hope it helps! >> >>-- >>Tokio Kikuchi >> >>--- > > > > From claw at kanga.nu Thu Jan 9 01:14:06 2003 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 16:14:06 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RFE In-Reply-To: Message from Ed <5.1.0.14.2.20030107132628.034a6ab0@mail.easent.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030107132628.034a6ab0@mail.easent.net> Message-ID: <8705.1042071246@kanga.nu> Ed wrote: > 2 things Mailman really needs, 1 is database integration, and there's an > RFE out there for that. The other is a simple scripting language to be > used within the mail body itself. Things like conditionals, the ability to > import data from URL's, and equally database tables. This is not a Mailman problem space or service. Look into things like Ironport. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From webperson at now.org Thu Jan 9 06:11:49 2003 From: webperson at now.org (NOW Website Coordinator) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 21:11:49 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending personalized HTML? Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030108142710.00be4b20@now.org> I'm trying to send some HTML email (yes, I know it's evil but that's how we want to send some stuff) and I'd like to personalize it (really to make it easier for people to unsubscribe with a personalized link). I can throw my whole message in the header or the footer, and it works... in Eudora. Since so many people use Outlook, I'd like to get it to work with Outlook. It seems that Eudora will take a message with Content-type: plain that really has a body with .... and display it fine. Outlook just displays the HTML as text. Even if I send Mailman a message (to trigger the sending of the header/footers) with the following headers embedded in: Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 it just changes it to multipart and Outlook puts the HTML footer as an attachment. The personalization in the header works fine -- in Eudora (and in Outlook, but it just is HTML code). If I personalize the header but leave it as text and add in extra Content-type headers as listed above, Outlook puts the header as a text attachment and shows the Content-type lines in the body -- with the HTML showing up fine in the body As far as I can tell, the only way to personalize is still in the header/footers -- yes? Has anyone else come up with a way to send HTML in the headers and footers to clients like Outlook? I'm able to send HTML email in the normal body of the message Also, but not as importantly, is there any way to send a "invite" message in HTML? Sarah Stapleton-Gray -------------------------------------------- Web Site Coordinator National Organization for Women http://www.now.org From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Thu Jan 9 06:35:20 2003 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 00:35:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/htdig Success and a question or 3.. In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030108071443.0386fef8@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030108000648.04aab038@mail.wingfoot.org> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030109002444.030c8778@mail.wingfoot.org> At 07:21 AM 1/8/2003 +0000, Richard Barrett posted the following... >/mailman/htdig/ is correct. This is explained in the file >$build/INSTALL.htdig-mm installed by the #444884 patch. In part it says: *duck* sorry, my bad :) > >$prefix/cgi-bin/htdig >$prefix/Mailman/Cgi/htdig.py > Ok.. I've removed my HTDIG_ARCHIVE_URL from my mm_cfg.py.. now I've restarted Apache, and gone to a list with archives... When I search, I get htdig's nice search results.. and when I hover over a link: https://www.wingfoot.org/mailman/htdig/testing5/2003-January.txt That's the link that shows.. but when I click on it I get: Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, webmaster at www.wingfoot.org and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. My /var/log/httpd-error.log shows: [Thu Jan 9 00:30:34 2003] [error] [client 67.85.96.168] Premature end of script headers: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/htdig I've searched the FAQ with no luck.. :-/ (This is all why I thought I "fixed" it by changing HTDIG_ARCHIVE_URL...sorry for the confusion...) Anyway--I really do appreciate all the help you all have been :) This list is a great resource! Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear "Religion is for those who do what they are told regardless of what is right. Spirituality is for those who do what is right regardless of what they are told." -- unattributed From Todd.Miller at courtesan.com Thu Jan 9 07:00:35 2003 From: Todd.Miller at courtesan.com (Todd C. Miller) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 23:00:35 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail performance In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 05 Jan 2003 12:40:16 CST." References: Message-ID: <200301090600.h0960Zvq001519@xerxes.courtesan.com> In message so spake "David Gibbs" (david): > I've got an instance of sendmail listening specifically on 127.0.0.1 ... can > anyone point me to some information on how to disable synchronous dns > verification in sendmail? The TUNING file in the sendmail directory of recent sendmail versions is well worth reading. I find it simplest to put the following in my sendmail mc file: DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Name=MTA') DAEMON_OPTIONS(`address=localhost, Port=24, Name=NCMSA, M=EC') And then have mailman deliver to localhost, port 24. Normally, sendmail will attempt to canonify the hostnames of each address Mailman submits to it--this requires a DNS lookup. The 'C' in the M (Modifier) option disables canonification. This is safe to do for mail injected by Mailman, though it is not something I would recommend for incoming mail. Port 24 is reserved for private mail systems so it seems like a good fit. And it's only listening on localhost anyway. - todd From ksteward at keithsteward.com Thu Jan 9 07:15:52 2003 From: ksteward at keithsteward.com (Keith Steward) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:15:52 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron daemon error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Aaron, I saw a similar "connection refused error" when I did my install on a RH 7.2 system. I added the address of the machine running Mailman to the /etc/mail/access file as in: --- segment of access file -------------- localhost RELAY 127.0.0.1 RELAY 66.127.210.187 RELAY --------- end segment ---------------- Such that all 3 correspond to my Mailman host machine. A good sendmail installation will have RELAYing turned off by default, and so adding entries like this to the access file turns it back "on" for those hosts. Some of those addresses are probably unnecessary, and I'm not entirely sure that that was what fixed the "connection refused" problem since I did some other config things too -- but eventually things did work, so maybe it was the solution. Note that after your changes to the /etc/mail/access file, you need to trigger the rebuild of the /etc/mail/access.db file for it to take effect. There should be a makefile in the /etc/mail directory that should do it for you. By the your efforts will be rewarded -- once Mailman is up and running, you will be impressed with the functionality. I was. The install is the only tricky part of using Mailman. Good luck! -keith s. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron M Daley [mailto:aaronda at freespeech.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:07 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron daemon error I installed mailman on a new machine running redhat 8. That machine is also running the latest 1.X apache and sendmail packages. Everything installed fine. I copied over some other lists that were running on and older machine and they show up fine on the admin page. I can configure them and everything. All aliases are set up in /etc/aliases. However when I tried to send a test message, it seems to go through fine, I get no emails saying the the mail server rejected it or anything. What I do get is a constant and steady stream of emails from the cron daemon all saying the exact same thing: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main process_lists(lock) File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 148, in process_lists conn, first, last = open_newsgroup(mlist) File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 75, in open_newsgroup password=mm_cfg.NNTP_PASSWORD) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 111, in __init__ self.sock.connect((self.host, self.port)) socket.error: (111, 'Connection refused') I have no idea what this means. I'm pretty green when it comes to linux so keep that in mind. I do know what the cron daemon is and I did set up the mailman cron entry as instructed in there install directions. you can also reply to me directly at aaronda at freespeech.org From alberto at marcedone.it Thu Jan 9 10:05:11 2003 From: alberto at marcedone.it (Alberto Marcedone) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:05:11 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] patch for Re: problems with different chatsets References: <3E1B9136.1010306@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <04c201c2b720$1dab5780$6401a8c0@marcedon.it> <3E1CBD94.6080705@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <021d01c2b7be$371e5840$6401a8c0@marcedon.it> The patch does not work in my system. I have modified the Decorate.py but nothing. Alberto. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tokio Kikuchi" To: "Alberto Marcedone" Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] patch for Re: problems with different chatsets > Hi, > > I have uploaded the patch on SourceForge. > > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=664209&group_id=103&atid=300103 > > > Alberto Marcedone wrote: > > Please, you can send me the complete Decorate.py or attach it in a message > > in the mailing list? > > alberto at marcedone.it > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tokio Kikuchi" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 3:47 AM > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] patch for Re: problems with different chatsets > > > > > > > >>Hi Folks, > >> > >>I've been reading -users with digest option. So, forgive me for > >>cutting the thread. Since the patch manager of SF is not allowing > >>to upload a new patch now, I send this to the list. (sorry, if > >>it's folded) > >> > >>With this patch, Decorate.py will try to make the footer and header > >>in a plain text message by converting the three into unicode and > >>then encode in a appropriate (defined by mailman) charset. > >> > >>Hope it helps! > >> > >>-- > >>Tokio Kikuchi > >> > >>--- > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030109/dbae8c7a/attachment.htm From alberto at marcedone.it Thu Jan 9 10:17:54 2003 From: alberto at marcedone.it (Alberto Marcedone) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:17:54 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How apply a patch? Message-ID: <024c01c2b7bf$fdd18b00$6401a8c0@marcedon.it> I have take a look in the directory /Mailman/Handlers to apply the patch at Decorate.py. I have look a file Decorate.pyc. It's the compiled version of Decorate.py? If yes, how compile Decorate.py to make Decorate.pyc? Tanks in advance. Alberto Marcedone From pioppo at ferrara.linux.it Thu Jan 9 10:42:35 2003 From: pioppo at ferrara.linux.it (Simone Piunno) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:42:35 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How apply a patch? In-Reply-To: <024c01c2b7bf$fdd18b00$6401a8c0@marcedon.it> References: <024c01c2b7bf$fdd18b00$6401a8c0@marcedon.it> Message-ID: <20030109094235.GD23096@pioppo.wired> gioved?, 09 gennaio 2003 alle 10:17:54, Alberto Marcedone ha scritto: > I have look a file Decorate.pyc. > It's the compiled version of Decorate.py? yes > If yes, how compile Decorate.py to make Decorate.pyc? you can simply remove Decorate.pyc, the pre-compiled version is there only for better performance. -- This signature intentionally left blank From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Thu Jan 9 12:24:56 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 20:24:56 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] patch for Re: problems with different chatsets References: <3E1B9136.1010306@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <04c201c2b720$1dab5780$6401a8c0@marcedon.it> <3E1CBD94.6080705@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <021d01c2b7be$371e5840$6401a8c0@marcedon.it> Message-ID: <3E1D5C08.9040308@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Alberto Marcedone wrote: > The patch does not work in my system. > I have modified the Decorate.py but nothing. How nothing? Are you sure you restart the qrunners by bin/mailmanctl restart ? What was the combination of message charset and list charset? Tokio From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 9 15:10:22 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 09 Jan 2003 09:10:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL subscriber bounces In-Reply-To: <90248453.1042022514@W0007FHH30B.corp.palm.com> References: <20030108171323.M27620@nleaudio.com> <20030108100923.2387e75e.raquel@thericehouse.net> <90248453.1042022514@W0007FHH30B.corp.palm.com> Message-ID: <1042121426.1640.12.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> You would have to modify the source to handle this special situation bounce. The bounce given has a specific code associated with it (or at least it should). You could use that code to scan the message in the Bounce module of Mailman and then redirect the bounce as appropriate. You might want to simply setup a filter on your own mail and dump these. Your option. On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 13:41, Ed Greenberg wrote: > > I have this problem too, though it's not severe, and frankly, the guy being > blocked is moderately awful, so would be pretty bad to a less insensitive > person than myself :) > > I prefer that they can block each other, since it keeps them from > responding to each other and flaming. I also would rather though that the > sender got the bounce, so that he would know he was being dissed :) > > So I'm also interested in the answer. Currently running 2.0.?? but > migrating to 2.1 as we speak :) > > > > > > > If it was my list, I would just write the AOL users and ask them to > > remove the block, and if they don't you'll have to unsubscribe them. > > > > -- > > Raquel > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 9 15:22:47 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 09 Jan 2003 09:22:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists periodically vanishing In-Reply-To: <3E1C799C.9060506@thereinc.com> References: <3E1C799C.9060506@thereinc.com> Message-ID: <1042122171.1750.22.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Interesting, so you have both archives working in parallel: Pipermail and Mhonarc? That sounds like a hack. And I'm assuming that you are running a 2.0.x version install. I think that if you upgrade to 2.1.x you will remove the problem. The ubiquitous qrunner was replaced with various sub-processes that each do individual tasks - one such task is archiving. An other alternative is to copy the archive MBox periodically to a separate location and then point Mhonarc to the copy of Mbox, then it won't hold open the one used by Pipermail when Mhonarc does its re-indexing and discovery of new messages. I run Mhonarc differently. I simply subscribe a local user to my list and let Mhonarc use the mbox from the local user. You might think about that as an alternative for yourself. Good Luck! On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 14:18, Tom Maddox wrote: > Hi, everyone, > > I've just been assigned the task of managing an existing mailman > installation, and it's evidently been having a recurring problem with > lists mysteriously vanishing for some short period of time and then > reappearing, occasionally in a corrupted state (membership list and > config settings hosed, etc.) > > The symptoms I've observed are as follows: > > 1) Mail sent to a list will bounce with a message like the following: > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > (reason: Data format error) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > list: Mailbox does not exist > 501 5.6.0 Data format error > > > 2) Attempting to access the archive web page for the list returns a > "404 Not found" error, although it *is* possible to access the standard > information page about the list. > > Relevant system information: > FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE #0 > sendmail 8.12.6 > Mailman 2.0.8 > The mailman archives are also being archived by mhonarc v.2.5.13; > archiving by mhonarc happens every 15 minutes. It scans for changes in > the mailman archives and then updates its own copy as necessary (at > least, that's how I think it works). I would guess it's possible that > mhonarc is locking the list archive file and causing concurrency issues > and disruptions in the list as a result. > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks, > > Tom > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From ggw at wolves.homeip.net Wed Jan 8 20:30:45 2003 From: ggw at wolves.homeip.net (Gregory Woodbury) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:30:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL subscriber bounces In-Reply-To: <20030108100923.2387e75e.raquel@thericehouse.net> from "Raquel Rice" at Jan 08, 2003 10:09:23 AM Message-ID: <200301081930.h08JUjsA017954@wolves.homeip.net> "It was written once upon a time (by Raquel Rice):" > > On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:13:23 -0500 > "Bob Puff at NLE" wrote: > > > I've noticed that a few of my list subscribers are using AOL's > > functions to block email from certain senders, who are on my > > lists. So as a list admin, I get all these AOL bounces. Is there > > a simple script that can be used to direct these nastygrams bacl > > to their AOL user, so that the user can get nagged instead of me? > If it was my list, I would just write the AOL users and ask them to > remove the block, and if they don't you'll have to unsubscribe them. > > -- > Raquel Individual AOL users don't have the ability to control the block. It's AOLs inbound mail handlers that are determining that the source machine is somehow "tresspassing" by not using the ISP outgoing mail servers for access to them. This particular "tresspassing by dial-up machines" meme has infected several of the larger ISPs lately. Most notable are AOL and RoadRunner. I had to start using a "smart host" for all my outgoing mail because of this viscious meme. -- Gregory G. "Wolfe" Woodbury `-_-' Owner/Admin: wolves.durham.nc.us ggw at wolves.durham.nc.us U "The Line Eater is a Hug your wolf. Boojum Snark" From holtje at freeside.dnsalias.org Wed Jan 8 20:06:00 2003 From: holtje at freeside.dnsalias.org (Carl Holtje) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:06:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BCC allowed? Message-ID: <200301081406.00698.holtje@freeside.dnsalias.org> All- While the power of denying a list to be specified in a BCC field is certainly undeniable, I'd like the ability to accept a post that has the list BCCd if the sender is a list member -- is this possible? Thanks so much! Carl -- "There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary and those that don't." $>whoami: Carl Holtje $>mail holtje: holtje at freeside.dnsalias.org $>cu: http://freeside.dnsalias.org From jdennis at redhat.com Wed Jan 8 19:55:56 2003 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: 08 Jan 2003 13:55:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no 2.1 version on Gnu FTP site? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1042052157.1237.90.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 13:19, Angel Gabriel wrote: > When will this RPM be produced? And where can I get it from? In the next few days. I will post a pointer when its done. I'm trying to clean up some issues in the spec file at the moment. Getting some testing on installing this package will be appreciated. On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 13:37, Adam Beatham wrote: > along these same lines.. I don't suppose there's a BSD package, I'm sorry I can't help you with BSD, perhaps someone else can. John From sales at victoryfilms.com Thu Jan 9 00:35:12 2003 From: sales at victoryfilms.com (sales at victoryfilms.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 18:35:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help Message-ID: <000a01c2b76e$ac3909e0$1516a8c0@tlc.lib.oh.us> Please I am what you may consider a newbie in the computer world.My problem is that I am recently building a website and I want to use your mailing list.However,I have tried everything I can to transfer the mailing list to my file manager in order to publish it so that people can subscribe to my site.Till now I have not been able to do that.I was told that I can do that through mailman control center and I don't even know how to find it. Please the help I need from you is how can I use your mailing list on my site?That is how can I publish it?I must confess it is a very easy form for new users like us.Please help. My e-mail address is chinemeremnjoku at yahoo.co.uk . Chinemerem Njoku -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030108/7b6ed5e3/attachment.html From bhilburn at frontier.net Thu Jan 9 16:21:13 2003 From: bhilburn at frontier.net (Bill Hilburn) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 08:21:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors running CGI script In-Reply-To: <20030106230636.C5691@dogpound.vnet.net> References: <20030106230636.C5691@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: <1042125673.3e1d9369d4aca@webmail.frontier.net> You will also see this if Apache is not configured correctly... You may need an Alias in httpd.conf: Alias /pipermail/ //archives/public/ Quoting Matthew Davis : > * Feng Jeffrey (yfeng at whittier.edu) wrote: > > I've been trying to install Mailman onto a FreeBSD based computer. After > I > > created a test mailing list, I ran into an error like this when accessing > > the mailing list archive from the Apache server: > > > > Forbidden > > You don't have permission to access /pipermail/test/ on this server. > > Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use > an > > ErrorDocument to handle the request. > > Apache/2.0.43 Server at listserv1.whittier.edu Port 80 > > Did you run check_perms -f? > > ---------------------------------------------- > | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | > |--------------------------------------------| > | Monday, January 06, 2003 / 11:05PM | > ---------------------------------------------- > Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: bhilburn at frontier.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bhilburn%40frontier.net > Bill Hilburn NOC Frontier Internet ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through frontier.net webmail service! From slipcon at mercea.net Thu Jan 9 16:46:19 2003 From: slipcon at mercea.net (Scott Lipcon) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 10:46:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1 daily checkdbs traceback In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 08 Jan 2003 08:19:05 EST." <20030108131905.D911B53F@mercea.net> Message-ID: <20030109154619.8E07C4B1@mercea.net> FYI - i traced this down to a corrupt requests.db file for one of my lists that had a pending subscription request before the 2.1 upgrade. It seems that ListAdmin.py's __opendb function attempts to upgrade the db file, but somewhere during my 2.1 install it looks like the requests.db file was partially upgraded - ie, it didn't have the full name field added, but it did have the version field. Therefore, opendb didn't try to add the full name field. I was able to look at the pending submission via 'strings requests.db' and then just kill the file, and now checkdbs runs fine. Scott On Wednesday, 8 Jan 2003, Scott Lipcon wrote: > Hello, > > I just upgraded a 2.0.13 installation to 2.1, and I'm getting the following > traceback every morning when checkdbs is called. I get the same traceback > when > I run checkdbs manually. I don't think any of my databases are corrupt - I > ran bin/check_db on each list and no problems were reported. > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 136, in ? > main() > File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 80, in main > text += '\n' + pending_requests(mlist) > File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 98, in pending_requests > for id in mlist.GetSubscriptionIds(): > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 157, in GetSubscriptionIds > return self.__getmsgids(SUBSCRIPTION) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 149, in __getmsgids > ids = [k for k, (type, data) in self.__db.items() if type == rtype] > ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size > > The system is OpenBSD 2.8 on a sparc, with a newly compiled python 2.2.2 > > any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Scott > > PS: to the moderator: I sent this a day or so ago but was not subscribed - > feel free to cancel the held posting, if you haven't already. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: slipcon at mercea.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/slipcon%40mercea.net > From david at midrange.com Thu Jan 9 21:46:40 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:46:40 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: MM 2.1 -- another qrunner crash References: <15898.26657.271292.999495@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <30124.208.248.38.130.1041973126.squirrel@webmail.midrange.com> Message-ID: "David Gibbs" wrote in message news:30124.208.248.38.130.1041973126.squirrel at webmail.midrange.com... > > Try this patch; it won't avoid the interrupted system call, but it > > ought to handle the situation more gracefully (assuming it's a > > transient problem). > I'll give it a try ... but even after I applied the patch, I saw the hung > task again. I've tweaked & tuned a bit and I think I've got it working well. Had to create another sendmail instance that didn't cannonify and was queueonly, but I haven't had a similar crash in a day or so. Thanks to all who directly, or indirectly, helped. david From david at midrange.com Thu Jan 9 21:29:42 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:29:42 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Coerce Plain Text with Mailman 2.1 References: <043a01c2b63b$fb946f90$0500a8c0@campus.tue.nl> Message-ID: "Webmaster ST Frontier Fleet" wrote in message news:043a01c2b63b$fb946f90$0500a8c0 at campus.tue.nl... > - Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type. > Leave this field blank to skip this filter test. [ Empty ] Try setting this one to: multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain david From jsingh at fdu.edu Thu Jan 9 22:45:55 2003 From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:45:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] All messages in qfiles In-Reply-To: <15898.26206.116942.232546@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <000f01c2b828$7d173230$410bee84@FDUJACK> Sir I just created 10 lists and whenever I send a message to any of them the messages end up in qfiles directory. So I cleaned up the directory send the message to a different mailing list, it got posted. But there is no message being posted to the new lists I created. When I go through the mail log, I see the wrapper is trying to post and in logs I checked the qrunner log, it tells me exception in reading the message file. I am using mailman version 2.0.2. Its an openbsd3.1 box with sendmail as its mta Can you tell me what am I doing wrong? -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+jsingh=fdu.edu at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jsingh=fdu.edu at python.org] On Behalf Of Barry A. Warsaw Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 12:32 AM To: Steve Rifkin Cc: jonc at nc.rr.com; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE >>>>> "SR" == Steve Rifkin writes: SR> OK, I upgraded to MM2.1. After having to run check_perms with SR> -f to fix permissions, I finally got the web pages up. SR> When I go in as site admin and change the list admin's SR> password for a list, I *still* cannot log in as the list SR> admin. (I still receive the authentication error). SR> And if I go back into the password change page for the list as SR> the site admin, and if I put in a new list admin password and SR> have a *different* verified password, I receive no errors when SR> I click submit. SR> However, if I run "change_pw" from the command line, changing SR> the password for the list admin for the specific list, them, I SR> CAN log in! :) SR> So, it's the web interface that's screwing up. We're SR> narrowing this one down now... I hope! Any suggestions? Do you have any cookie blockers or other proxies between your browser and the web server? That's about the only thing I can think of. -Barry ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jsingh at fdu.edu Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jsingh%40fdu.edu From jame at centurytel.net Fri Jan 10 00:07:58 2003 From: jame at centurytel.net (JMD) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:07:58 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cAse sEnsiTive Message-ID: <001201c2b833$f5549840$3eb58ed1@user> I can't get my list to be lower case. I know it's case sensitive but it does say that it can be changed; however, when I try it will not allow it. Anything I try does not work and my list always shows with the first letter capitalized, even in the reply address. Any ideas? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030109/3b46ac2c/attachment.htm From ashley at pcraft.com Thu Jan 9 18:17:08 2003 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 10:17:08 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman server... Message-ID: <3E1DAE94.9060808@pcraft.com> My subscription got disabled, so anyone who answers to this message, please CC me as well. I don't know if anyone noticed this or not, but when I go to my account preferences for this list (http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ashley%40pcraft.com), I can log in just fine, but whenever I try to submit anything (like re-enabling my subscription), it just sits there and will eventually just time out (or return a 'document contains no data' page.) I've tried Netscape 4.79, 7.01, and IE 6, they all behave the same way. Does anyone know if there is a problem with the server, or is there some there way I can re-enable my subscription? Remember to CC me as well since I'm no longer receiving list messages. Thanks. -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Fri Jan 10 01:00:23 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:00:23 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Fw: [Scuolasommozzatori] prova References: <004a01c2b7e1$7cba3d60$6401a8c0@marcedon.it> Message-ID: <3E1E0D17.4070200@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Alberto, You are sending messages in multipart/alternative. The patch works only for text/plain messages. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=664209&group_id=103&atid=300103 Header and footer for HTML message are always added as attachments. Tokio Alberto Marcedone wrote: > Tokio here is a sample message. > > I have try to use /bin/Mailmanctl restart. > Also look at my default.py. I have deleted the file Default.pyc > Tanks for your help. > Alberto > > Subject: Fw: [Scuolasommozzatori] prova > Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:17:40 +0100 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/related; > type="multipart/alternative"; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C2B7E9.DE432300" From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Fri Jan 10 01:16:39 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:16:39 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] What's wrong with the mailman-users archive? Message-ID: <3E1E10E7.6080606@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, As of 0900 JST (+0900), http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-January/date.html shows 12 messages archived but it also says there are 311 messages. Looks like all the messages before Wed Jan 8 13:55:56 EST 2003 (in January 2003) are gone ! What happened ? Tokio From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu Thu Jan 9 20:23:33 2003 From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:23:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE Message-ID: <200301091924.h09JO0jk016669@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> I recently installed mailman 2.1 (upgrading over our mailman 2.13) to correct a problem with list admin passwords. At the time of the upgrade, I was running python 2.1 Today I finally ran genaliases to modify the old mm list aliases for the new mailman. With the aliases in place, I sent e-mail to one of my lists... "newlist". Instead of the message going through, I get back the following from the mailer-daemon: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/users/rtfm/mailman/mail/mailman post newtest" (reason: 1) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Traceback (most recent call last): File "/users/rtfm/mailman/scripts/post", line 69, in ? main() File "/users/rtfm/mailman/scripts/post", line 64, in main tolist=1, _plaintext=1) File "/users/rtfm/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 119, in enqueue msgfp = open(msgfile, 'w') IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/users/rtfm/mailman/qfiles/in/1042138477.3629709+2b891898799d3290ae81d057bdd6e8 2a56ffe112.msg' 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1 ========================================= What is causing the above? OK, so I figure, since I was running python 2.1, maybe mailman 2.1 would rather me run python 2.2.2. I then installed python 2.2.2. Directly afterwards, I rebuilt (make clean, configure, make, make install) mailman 2.1 again, and then, ran check_perms (and corrected anything that needed correcting so that check_perms now comes back clean. Now, when I start to run the scripts/mailman script to startup mailmanctl, I immediately get lots of messages that look like this: # ./mailman start cs:/users/rtfm/mailman/scripts:{153} Traceback (most recent call last): File "/users/rtfm/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 77, in ? from Mailman.i18n import _ File "/users/rtfm/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 18, in ? import time ImportError: No module named time Traceback (most recent call last): File "/users/rtfm/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 77, in ? from Mailman.i18n import _ File "/users/rtfm/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 18, in ? import time ImportError: No module named time Traceback (most recent call last): ================================================================ I get the above messages continuously. What's happening here? Mind you, when I had python 2.1 installed, I had no problem running mailmanctl (except that mail sent to lists would yield the message near the top of this e-mail. With python2.2.2 installed, I can't even get mailmanctl to run properly... or rather, whatever it's running is giving me the errors directly above. And remember, *after* I installed python 2.2.2, I *rebuilt* mailman. So, what should I do here? If python's an issue, I'll go back to python 2.1 and hope someone here can help me fix the problem with the mailer-daemon message. At least python 2.1, I could run the mailman startup script. (Note, the machine mailman is built on is Solaris 2.8. Thanks in advance! Steve Rifkin steve410 at cs.jhu.edu From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu Thu Jan 9 20:24:41 2003 From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:24:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems running mailctl and sending to lists... Message-ID: <200301091925.h09JP8jk016729@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> I recently installed mailman 2.1 (upgrading over our mailman 2.13) to correct a problem with list admin passwords. At the time of the upgrade, I was running python 2.1 Today I finally ran genaliases to modify the old mm list aliases for the new mailman. With the aliases in place, I sent e-mail to one of my lists... "newlist". Instead of the message going through, I get back the following from the mailer-daemon: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/users/rtfm/mailman/mail/mailman post newtest" (reason: 1) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Traceback (most recent call last): File "/users/rtfm/mailman/scripts/post", line 69, in ? main() File "/users/rtfm/mailman/scripts/post", line 64, in main tolist=1, _plaintext=1) File "/users/rtfm/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 119, in enqueue msgfp = open(msgfile, 'w') IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/users/rtfm/mailman/qfiles/in/1042138477.3629709+2b891898799d3290ae81d057bdd6e8 2a56ffe112.msg' 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1 ========================================= What is causing the above? OK, so I figure, since I was running python 2.1, maybe mailman 2.1 would rather me run python 2.2.2. I then installed python 2.2.2. Directly afterwards, I rebuilt (make clean, configure, make, make install) mailman 2.1 again, and then, ran check_perms (and corrected anything that needed correcting so that check_perms now comes back clean. Now, when I start to run the scripts/mailman script to startup mailmanctl, I immediately get lots of messages that look like this: # ./mailman start cs:/users/rtfm/mailman/scripts:{153} Traceback (most recent call last): File "/users/rtfm/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 77, in ? from Mailman.i18n import _ File "/users/rtfm/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 18, in ? import time ImportError: No module named time Traceback (most recent call last): File "/users/rtfm/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 77, in ? from Mailman.i18n import _ File "/users/rtfm/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 18, in ? import time ImportError: No module named time Traceback (most recent call last): ================================================================ I get the above messages continuously. What's happening here? Mind you, when I had python 2.1 installed, I had no problem running mailmanctl (except that mail sent to lists would yield the message near the top of this e-mail. With python2.2.2 installed, I can't even get mailmanctl to run properly... or rather, whatever it's running is giving me the errors directly above. And remember, *after* I installed python 2.2.2, I *rebuilt* mailman. So, what should I do here? If python's an issue, I'll go back to python 2.1 and hope someone here can help me fix the problem with the mailer-daemon message. At least python 2.1, I could run the mailman startup script. (Note, the machine mailman is built on is Solaris 2.8. Thanks in advance! Steve Rifkin steve410 at cs.jhu.edu From bryanf at samurai.com Fri Jan 10 02:32:39 2003 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:32:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron daemon error on FreeBSD 4.7 In-Reply-To: <000001c2b6c9$da46f400$c803a8c0@grizzly> Message-ID: <67EA654A-243B-11D7-A3E8-0003936377F0@samurai.com> On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 10:55 PM, C Burchell wrote: > I have just recently installed mailman 2.0.12 on a FreeBSD 4.7 system > using the pkg_add feature. Did you manually add the mailman user and group before installing Mailman, or let the port add them? The port expects a certain UID and GID to be mapped to the Mailman user/group, specifically 91/91. If you're using some other UID/GID it'll be confused. Bryan From chris at burchellfamily.ca Fri Jan 10 07:12:27 2003 From: chris at burchellfamily.ca (C Burchell) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 23:12:27 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron daemon error on FreeBSD 4.7 In-Reply-To: <67EA654A-243B-11D7-A3E8-0003936377F0@samurai.com> Message-ID: <000001c2b86f$40446520$c803a8c0@grizzly> I originally added the user and group mailman, but had the wrong GIDs, I subsequently removed the pkg, changed the uid and gid to 91/91 then reinstalled the package. Then I added the crontab.in file and there were no problems... However, I have now noted the following error: After I successfully create my first test list 'test-list', add the aliases, do the Postfix postmap & reload, I get the subscription confirmation message from the test list creation. However, when I try to send a post to the new test-list, I get the following error from Postfix: The Postfix program : Command died with status 2: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post test-list". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 26, GOT gid 65534. (Reconfigure to take 65534?) Is there something Mailman-related that I can do to fix this error? Regards, Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Fullerton > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 6:33 PM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] cron daemon error on FreeBSD 4.7 > > > > On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 10:55 PM, C Burchell wrote: > > > I have just recently installed mailman 2.0.12 on a FreeBSD > 4.7 system > > using the pkg_add feature. > > Did you manually add the mailman user and group before installing > Mailman, or let the port add them? The port expects a certain UID and > GID to be mapped to the Mailman user/group, specifically 91/91. If > you're using some other UID/GID it'll be confused. > > Bryan > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%> 40python.org/ > From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 10 10:24:24 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:24:24 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] What's wrong with the mailman-users archive? In-Reply-To: <3E1E10E7.6080606@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030110090319.0430b500@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 00:16 10/01/2003, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: >Hi, > >As of 0900 JST (+0900), >http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-January/date.html >shows 12 messages archived but it also says there are 311 messages. > >Looks like all the messages before Wed Jan 8 13:55:56 EST 2003 (in >January 2003) are gone ! I think the HTML messages are there but the archive index page generation is going wrong, although new messages are being added to the truncated list on the index page. That said the gzipped text file of the archive is consistent with the index page. >What happened ? > >Tokio Maybe related to the problem I've been seeing but maybe not; according to message headers on some mail coming from the list the time from the mailman server receiving posts to sending them out has been very lengthy (see headers below from one message). Before the list's index page was screwed up messages were appearing in the archives long before they were passed to the mail.python.org MTA for distribution to the list members. >Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore > for r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk id 1042145505:20:23692:131; > Thu, 09 Jan 2003 20:51:45 GMT >Received: from mail.python.org ([12.155.117.29]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net > id ab2024967; 9 Jan 2003 20:51 GMT >Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=mail.python.org) > by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) > id 18WjeO-0000EU-00 > for r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 15:51:40 -0500 >Received: from mail1.nucleus.com ([207.34.101.2] helo=MAIL.nucleus.com) > by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) > id 18W7K0-0008Ny-00 > for mailman-users at python.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 22:56:04 -0500 >Received: from www.kumacommunications.net (unverified [207.229.8.78]) by > MAIL.nucleus.comfor ; > Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:56:03 -0700 >Received: from grizzly (dsl-psoun-207-229-8-79-edm.nucleus.com >[207.229.8.79]) > h083tsf27303 > for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:55:54 -0700 From jmb at 4dhispano.com Fri Jan 10 11:25:09 2003 From: jmb at 4dhispano.com (Jean-Michel Biraghi) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:25:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install issue on Mac OS 10.2.3 In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1042127143@adsl-245-67.ns.itd.umich.edu> References: <20030102164438947443.GyazMail.jmb@4dhispano.com> <15892.24728.764843.880528@audio.gfoster.com> <20030102173029763157.GyazMail.jmb@4dhispano.com> <20030107112737699931.GyazMail.jmb@4dhispano.com> <2147483647.1042127143@adsl-245-67.ns.itd.umich.edu> Message-ID: <20030110112509081056.GyazMail.jmb@4dhispano.com> Right, it's now OK with that change. Thank you. My only problem now is with Sendmail : sudo newaliases /etc/mail/aliases: line 1: alias line too long /etc/mail/aliases: 0 aliases, longest 0 bytes, 0 bytes total Everything seems to be OK with the alias file : ? it's a plain text file ? 1st line is a comment ? 1st uncommented line has 23 chars (root: [TAB] username) and also with the sendmail.cf : O AliasFile=/etc/mail/aliases I really don't understand what's wrong in that stuff... I've sent a question to the Sendmail newsgroup but nobody answered. Did somebody get this problem ? Thanks for your help... (I'm quite stubborn... I WANT to finish it.. :- )) ******************************************************************* Jean-Michel Biraghi 4D Hispano 28230 Las Rozas de Madrid, Spain http://www.4dhispano.com ******************************************************************* El Thu, 09 Jan 2003 15:45:46 -0500, Steve Burling escribi? : > --On Tuesday, January 7, 2003 11:27 AM +0100 Jean-Michel Biraghi > wrote: > >> W A R N I N G : G r o u p w r i t a b l e d i r e c t o r y / >> >> What do you think about this warning ? > > To which I reply: > > The "Group writable directory" error is one of sendmail's security > checks, and typically happens on Mac OS X because Apple's Installer > *always* seems to make the root directory (/) group writable. Try > this command: > > sudo chmod g-w / > > which removes the group writability on /, and see if that helps. > > -- Steve > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Steve Burling > University of Michigan, ICPSR Voice: +1 734 615.3779 > 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 > Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 From webmaster at frontierfleet.com Fri Jan 10 12:16:47 2003 From: webmaster at frontierfleet.com (Webmaster ST Frontier Fleet) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:16:47 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Coerce Plain Text with Mailman 2.1 References: <043a01c2b63b$fb946f90$0500a8c0@campus.tue.nl> Message-ID: <0b6801c2b899$c40f4f80$0500a8c0@campus.tue.nl> > Using Outlook Express 6, I created a standard HTML message (using one of > OE's default templates) and the first tries resulted in the message > disappearing into nowhere. So next I removed all content filter > settings, so it now says: > - Should Mailman filter the content of list traffic according to the > settings below? [ Yes ] > - Remove message attachments that have a matching content type. [ > Empty ] > - Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type. > Leave this field blank to skip this filter test. [ Empty ] > - Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type. > Leave this field blank to skip this filter test. [ Empty ] Try setting this one to: multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain david Hi David, Thanks for your reply. Even though it would bring me back to my default settings I gave it a try again and after a lot of error and try I found out that the messages using OE6's template were discarded because they included images. However, if I simply type a message and tell OE to send it as HTML, then Mailman seems to do the conversion indeed the right way. Now what I need to find out next is if I could set Mailman 2.1 to strip these attachments instead of discarding/rejecting the message in a whole.... Well, using Mailman 2.1 to restrict plain text seems to be abit harder then using a patched Mailman 2.0.x but with some more error and try I should probably succeed. :-) Thanks so far. And if anyone has some more suggestions, I'm all ears. ;-) Kind regards, Guido _______________________________________ "If you were any other man, I would kill you where you stand!" -- Worf -- ST VIII: First Contact From jfraley at glenraven.com Fri Jan 10 14:28:46 2003 From: jfraley at glenraven.com (Jon Fraley) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 08:28:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Red Hat install Message-ID: <1042205325.19893.9.camel@jfraleyx.glenraven.com> I have done a fresh install of Red Hat 8.0. I had Mailman installed also. Can someone tell me what I need to do at this point to get MailMan up and running. I have tried and failed to get it work. Thanks, Jon From jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch Fri Jan 10 14:35:40 2003 From: jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch (Jean Berthold) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 14:35:40 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem using "newlist" References: <3E1C4733.9C8951A5@eos-gd.ch> <20030108100220.28e10261.raquel@thericehouse.net> Message-ID: <3E1ECC2C.90F6C598@eos-gd.ch> Hello Raquel, This error was due to the fact I had my : root at atlanta # cat /etc/hosts # # Internet host table # 127.0.0.1 localhost 172.16.16.2 atlanta loghost Only with the hostname ... And the nsswitch.conf: like that: hosts: files dns Instead of: hosts: dns files Then I modified nsswitch.conf to user DNS and now all is ok ! Sorry for this newbie's error ... Thanks again for your help and have a nice week-end ! Jean Raquel Rice a ?crit : > On Wed, 08 Jan 2003 16:43:47 +0100 > jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch (Jean Berthold) wrote: > > > Illegal list name: test at atlanta > > $ > > > > Do I need to specify an URL like www.... in my Defaults.py or can > > I keep this current configuration: > > # because otherwise the default mappings won't be correct. > > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'atlanta' > > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'atlanta' > > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/' > > > > I cannot found where is my error, could you help me ? > > > > Thanks by advance and have a nice day > > Jean, > > I believe you need to provide an FQDN: > atlanta.eos.elro > > -- > Raquel > ============================================================ > One is not born a woman, one becomes one. > --Simone de Beauvoir > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jean.berthold%40eos-gd.ch -- ________________________________ Jean Berthold EOS - energie ouest suisse Chemin de Mornex 10 , CP 570 CH-1001 Lausanne , Switzerland Tel. : +41 (0)21 341 24 58 Fax : +41 (0)21 341 20 49 E-Mail : jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch ________________________________ ...Unix is like a wigwam - no windows, no gates, apache inside... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Metta, Ivan ---------------------------------------------- Ivan Van Laningham God N Locomotive Works http://www.pauahtun.org/ http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours From barry at python.org Fri Jan 10 15:08:14 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:08:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] What's wrong with the mailman-users archive? References: <3E1E10E7.6080606@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <5.1.1.6.0.20030110090319.0430b500@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <15902.54222.124426.905015@gargle.gargle.HOWL> We had some problems with mail delivery on python.org/zope.org. We now believe it was a SpamAssassin process that was hanging Exim delivery. We've got a stop gap measure in place which is getting mail flowing again. Looks like the hosage affected the archives. I'll attempt to rebuild them. -Barry From janice at neteffect.ca Thu Jan 9 18:34:37 2003 From: janice at neteffect.ca (Janice Leong) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 12:34:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about changing the names of a list Message-ID: <001701c2b805$62afc970$6207a8c0@Janice> I have a client who wishes to change the name of their list. Is there a shorter, more efficient way of doing this than creating a new list, configuring it to the old one and then deleting the old list? Thanks in advance. Janice Leong, Web Production Manager NetEffect Communications - www.neteffect.ca janice at neteffect.ca t. 416.350.8376 x 229 | f. 416.350.9661 366 Adelaide St. West, Unit 400, Toronto, ON M5V 1R9 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030109/aa8b4477/attachment.htm From subconscious_01 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 10 00:42:48 2003 From: subconscious_01 at yahoo.com (K G) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:42:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re:3rd time lucky Message-ID: <20030109234248.38034.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com> "Well"....*smile i have hit send so far 2 times this will be the 3rd time......the 1st i sent to a personal addy and not to the 'mailman'...i was informed of my error and also told using 'HTML' isn't a good idea and it was suggested that i use another addy......"Well" at this point me thinks "Crikey what a start"...i can't even take this 1st step without a hand up...so "thank you'...'zebee'....Then i tried to re-send through 'HTML' this time to the right addy..."but" no it wouldn't happen....<<< me thinks is this like an 'Omen-in'............so now im in this Yahoo addy iv'e had a while and never use..."OK" this is going to happen......"i have faith".......3rd time a charm i hope...here is what i was/am trying to send .......im not giving up so what i stumbled a bit........<< End of the story ! Return chars were not understood as "new line" with the BBEdit default settings, so my file seemed to have only 1 line, and too long of course... After changing BBEdit prefs, it works finally ! Many thanks to Jon Carnes Jean-Michel Biraghi 4D Hispano ----- Begin forwarded message ----- From: Jean-Michel Biraghi Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:25:09 +0100 To: Steve Burling Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Install issue on Mac OS 10.2.3 Right, it's now OK with that change. Thank you. My only problem now is with Sendmail : sudo newaliases /etc/mail/aliases: line 1: alias line too long /etc/mail/aliases: 0 aliases, longest 0 bytes, 0 bytes total Everything seems to be OK with the alias file : ? it's a plain text file ? 1st line is a comment ? 1st uncommented line has 23 chars (root: [TAB] username) and also with the sendmail.cf : O AliasFile=/etc/mail/aliases I really don't understand what's wrong in that stuff... I've sent a question to the Sendmail newsgroup but nobody answered. Did somebody get this problem ? Thanks for your help... (I'm quite stubborn... I WANT to finish it.. :- )) ******************************************************************* Jean-Michel Biraghi 4D Hispano 28230 Las Rozas de Madrid, Spain http://www.4dhispano.com ******************************************************************* El Thu, 09 Jan 2003 15:45:46 -0500, Steve Burling escribi? : > --On Tuesday, January 7, 2003 11:27 AM +0100 Jean-Michel Biraghi > wrote: > >> W A R N I N G : G r o u p w r i t a b l e d i r e c t o r y / >> >> What do you think about this warning ? > > To which I reply: > > The "Group writable directory" error is one of sendmail's security > checks, and typically happens on Mac OS X because Apple's Installer > *always* seems to make the root directory (/) group writable. Try > this command: > > sudo chmod g-w / > > which removes the group writability on /, and see if that helps. > > -- Steve > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Steve Burling > University of Michigan, ICPSR Voice: +1 734 615.3779 > 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 > Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 From chuqui at plaidworks.com Fri Jan 10 17:48:02 2003 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 08:48:02 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install issue on Mac OS 10.2.3 In-Reply-To: <20030110112509081056.GyazMail.jmb@4dhispano.com> Message-ID: <485DA465-24BB-11D7-982C-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 02:25 AM, Jean-Michel Biraghi wrote: > Right, it's now OK with that change. Thank you. > > My only problem now is with Sendmail : > > sudo newaliases > /etc/mail/aliases: line 1: alias line too long > /etc/mail/aliases: 0 aliases, longest 0 bytes, 0 bytes total > > Everything seems to be OK with the alias file : > what are you editing the file with? -- Chuq Von Rospach, Architech chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/ From bryanf at samurai.com Fri Jan 10 17:57:03 2003 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:57:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admindb - "Add [email] to a sender filter" Message-ID: <8AF0D710-24BC-11D7-9A98-000393013B04@samurai.com> Howdy, When I approve a message and also select "Add [email] to a sender filter", is it supposed to add them to the non-member filter lists under the admin/[list]/privacy/sender web interface? I just approved a message and selected that option, but they're not listed in the sender filters. Thanks, Bryan From edjusted at layerblue.net Fri Jan 10 21:18:23 2003 From: edjusted at layerblue.net (e. wu) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:18:23 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error after install with "newlist" Message-ID: Sorry for the newbie question...can anyone help me interpret this? I just installed Mailman 2.1 on OS X with postfix using a combination of directions off the web. Everything seems to install fine, but when I create a new list I get this: Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/newlist", line 219, in ? main() File "bin/newlist", line 160, in main mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 437, in Create self._full_path = Site.get_listpath(name, create=1) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Site.py", line 59, in get_listpath _makedir(path) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Site.py", line 34, in _makedir os.makedirs(path, 02775) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/os.py", line 203, in makedirs mkdir(name, mode) OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/test' It seems to be some sort of permissions problem but as far as I can tell I have proper permissions on everything, and check_perms reveals no problems. Best regards, Ed From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Fri Jan 10 21:45:28 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 15:45:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Red Hat install In-Reply-To: <1042205325.19893.9.camel@jfraleyx.glenraven.com>; from jfraley@glenraven.com on Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 08:28:46AM -0500 References: <1042205325.19893.9.camel@jfraleyx.glenraven.com> Message-ID: <20030110154528.A13542@dogpound.vnet.net> check the doc's that are included. Specifically the README* and INSTALL files. Another good resource when you get stuck is the FAQ (See URL below) and list archives (again URL below). Most questions (especially for Redhat 8.0) have already been answered are either in the docs/faq/archives. * Jon Fraley (jfraley at glenraven.com) wrote: > I have done a fresh install of Red Hat 8.0. I had Mailman installed > also. Can someone tell me what I need to do at this point to get > MailMan up and running. I have tried and failed to get it work. > > Thanks, > > Jon > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Friday, January 10, 2003 / 03:42PM | ---------------------------------------------- Never mind the facts - I know what I know. From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 10 22:08:23 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 21:08:23 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error after install with "newlist" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030110210325.03a898c8@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 20:18 10/01/2003, e. wu wrote: >Sorry for the newbie question...can anyone help me interpret this? I just >installed Mailman 2.1 on OS X with postfix using a combination of >directions off the web. > >Everything seems to install fine, but when I create a new list I get this: > > >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "bin/newlist", line 219, in ? > main() > File "bin/newlist", line 160, in main > mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 437, in Create > self._full_path = Site.get_listpath(name, create=1) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Site.py", line 59, in get_listpath > _makedir(path) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Site.py", line 34, in _makedir > os.makedirs(path, 02775) > File "/usr/lib/python2.2/os.py", line 203, in makedirs > mkdir(name, mode) >OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/test' > >It seems to be some sort of permissions problem but as far as I can tell I >have proper permissions on everything, and check_perms reveals no problems. > >Best regards, >Ed I would first check the id you are using when you run newlist from the command line and if it isn't mailman is that id a member of the mailman group. check_perms will normally have given mailman:mailman write permissions over the list directory. From dhphllps at memphis.edu Sat Jan 11 02:00:09 2003 From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 19:00:09 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] OS X StartupItems folder Message-ID: <081800DF-2500-11D7-A250-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> Setup: OS X Server 10.2.3, MM2.1, Postfix 1.1.11, Apache 1.3.27 Has anyone put together a StartupItems folder for a similar setup? The script of course is supplied, and I think I can manage the Resources folder, but I'm clueless as to the required contents for the StartupParameters.plist. Dan From clayno at mail.w4cl.net Sat Jan 11 02:58:34 2003 From: clayno at mail.w4cl.net (Charles Layno) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 20:58:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation Cookies Message-ID: I have just installed 2.1 and in testing the subscibing function in the test list, the email is going to me and when I go the web page in the confirmation email, I get to the enter confirmation cookie no matter what I enter, it will not accept anything, including the confirmation number included in the email. I have looked to see where I can turn that feature off, and can't find it. When I subscibed to this list, it showed me the same pages EXCECT the cookie confirmation. What am I doing wrong? I am running RH 8.0. Charles Layno From loufox at cloud9.net Sat Jan 11 03:26:30 2003 From: loufox at cloud9.net (Lou Fox) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 21:26:30 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] No route to host Message-ID: <20030111022630.DE48264F11@camomile.cloud9.net> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030110/4da34d92/attachment.pot From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Sun Jan 12 00:01:24 2003 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 18:01:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ok.. got everything working.. Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030111175840.0453c008@mail.wingfoot.org> Just a minor question: On my listinfo page it says: Send questions or comments to mailman at www.wingfoot.org. How do I change that? I can't find anything in Defaults.py (and list.org seems to be down)... I don't remember if it was like this with the prior install or not. I've searched the web, to no avail.. the only thing I found was to put MAILMAN_OWNER = 'whatever' in mm_cfg.py .. however, even after a full stop & restart of Apache, this hasn't worked. So just curious.. how do I change this is 2.1 final? Thanks! Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear "Religion is for those who do what they are told regardless of what is right. Spirituality is for those who do what is right regardless of what they are told." -- unattributed From tom at loscheider.net Sun Jan 12 05:28:40 2003 From: tom at loscheider.net (Tom Loscheider) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:28:40 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation instructions seem to be missing Message-ID: Hello. I'm trying to setup Mailman on a Red Hat 8.0 system. I have not been able to find any setup information indicating how to activate and access the Mailman service. The rpm is installed, but your web pages and documentation do not indicate how to get things running or how to access it... Am I missing something? For example, do I need to put a pointer to Mailman in my Apache config? Or do I point to a certain port? Perhaps there is a How-To I'm missing? This page: http://mailman.sourceforge.net/site.html Has some useful operational info, but tells me nothing about the actual setup and activation of the service. It was all I could find claiming to be for admins. Please steer me to the setup docs. I'm sure other people are experiencing the same frustrations. Best Regards Tom Loscheider Technology Director Mahnomen Schools From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Jan 12 06:47:35 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 12 Jan 2003 00:47:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation instructions seem to be missing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1042350459.1747.23.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> I always use the source for the install since there is so much that needs to be done outside the RPM (plus it is sooo easy to install via source). Fortunately for you other folks like to use RPM's, here is a comment from one of them (taken from the archives - which you should feel free to search)... To quote Jeremy Portzer: To find out information about an RPM's maker, etc., run "rpm -qip filename.rpm" . If you run that command on the Red Hat Linux mailman-2.0.13-1.i386.rpm, you'll see a bunch of EXTREMELY important setup notes -- things you must do after installing the RPM. Follow those instructions! Don't complain if you don't follow them and stuff doesn't work! *grin* If that doesn't resolve your problems, then check out the FAQ entry: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp Take care - Jon Carnes === On Sat, 2003-01-11 at 23:28, Tom Loscheider wrote: > Hello. > I'm trying to setup Mailman on a Red Hat 8.0 system. I have not been able to > find any setup information indicating how to activate and access the Mailman > service. The rpm is installed, but your web pages and documentation do not > indicate how to get things running or how to access it... Am I missing > something? > > For example, do I need to put a pointer to Mailman in my Apache config? Or > do I point to a certain port? > > Perhaps there is a How-To I'm missing? > > This page: http://mailman.sourceforge.net/site.html Has some useful > operational info, but tells me nothing about the actual setup and activation > of the service. It was all I could find claiming to be for admins. > > Please steer me to the setup docs. I'm sure other people are experiencing > the same frustrations. > > Best Regards > Tom Loscheider > Technology Director Mahnomen Schools > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From john at io.com Sun Jan 12 07:00:03 2003 From: john at io.com (John Buttery) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 00:00:03 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re:3rd time lucky In-Reply-To: <20030109234248.38034.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030109234248.38034.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030112060002.GA30372@io.com> * K G [2003-01-09 15:42:48 -0800]: > ..."Hello"...i would like to introduce myself ........ im new to this > mailing list, as a matter of fact im new to any mailing list *smile. Mailman has a date? :) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030112/fdd53d73/attachment.pgp From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Sun Jan 12 14:12:35 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:12:35 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ok.. got everything working.. In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030111175840.0453c008@mail.wingfoot.org> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030112123617.039976e0@pop3.demon.co.uk> Glenn At 23:01 11/01/2003, Glenn Sieb wrote: >Just a minor question: > >On my listinfo page it says: > >Send questions or comments to >mailman at www.wingfoot.org. > >How do I change that? I can't find anything in Defaults.py (and list.org >seems to be down)... I don't remember if it was like this with the prior >install or not. I've searched the web, to no avail.. the only thing I >found was to put > >MAILMAN_OWNER = 'whatever' > >in mm_cfg.py .. however, even after a full stop & restart of Apache, this >hasn't worked. > >So just curious.. how do I change this is 2.1 final? > >Thanks! >Glenn Depends on how you want to change it. Assuming you've checked out the final setup notes in INSTALL file, the notes in Defaults.py and made your changes in mm_cfg.py You will probably want to use the $prefix/bin/fix_url.py bin/withlist script to get the changes in mm_cfg.py to propagate to an existing list. Richard From mckemie at access4less.net Sun Jan 12 16:39:08 2003 From: mckemie at access4less.net (Willie McKemie) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 09:39:08 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posting restrictions Message-ID: <20030112093908.A31265@deb22r2-48.mckemie.org> I've been lurking here for a while but remain un-enlightened the following problems: How can I restrict posts to plain text? Or, at least, prohibit attachments of any sort? How do I determine if I'm running Mm2.0 or Mm2.1? I am using Mm through a hosting service; I do have shell access, but can't find anything Mm related via that route. How can I backup my subscriber lists? And other Mm data? I can't find anything Mm related through either ftp or shell access to my host. I have recent been changed from smartlist, where I had ftp access to all mail list data files. Is this possible with Mailman? If so, what magic request should I make of my hosting service? -- Willie USS Harry S Truman: 97,000 tons of diplomacy Are YOU an html abuser? http://www.expita.com/nomime.html Linux system uptime 50 days 16 hours 36 minutes From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net Sun Jan 12 17:21:55 2003 From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes) Date: 12 Jan 2003 08:21:55 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posting restrictions In-Reply-To: <20030112093908.A31265@deb22r2-48.mckemie.org> References: <20030112093908.A31265@deb22r2-48.mckemie.org> Message-ID: <1042388516.24812.391.camel@galileo.carola.lan> On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 07:39, Willie McKemie wrote: > I've been lurking here for a while but remain un-enlightened the > following problems: > > How can I restrict posts to plain text? Or, at least, prohibit > attachments of any sort? Willie, If you're using MM 2.0x this FAQ should help. http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.010.htp > How do I determine if I'm running Mm2.0 or Mm2.1? I am using Mm > through a hosting service; I do have shell access, but can't find > anything Mm related via that route. At the bottom of all of the list pages is a MM logo. It should have the version number below the logo. Also, every message delivered by your list will contain a X-Mailman-Version: header. > How can I backup my subscriber lists? And other Mm data? I can't > find anything Mm related through either ftp or shell access to my > host. I have recent been changed from smartlist, where I had ftp > access to all mail list data files. Is this possible with Mailman? > If so, what magic request should I make of my hosting service? Someone else will need to answer this question. -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ http://sitedocs.sf.net/ http://ffl.sf.net/ From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Jan 12 17:46:47 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 12 Jan 2003 11:46:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re:3rd time lucky In-Reply-To: <20030112060002.GA30372@io.com> References: <20030109234248.38034.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com> <20030112060002.GA30372@io.com> Message-ID: <1042390011.2257.0.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> I think they were looking for Mailman's brother: Male-man. I hear he's quite the stud... On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 01:00, John Buttery wrote: > * K G [2003-01-09 15:42:48 -0800]: > > ..."Hello"...i would like to introduce myself ........ im new to this > > mailing list, as a matter of fact im new to any mailing list *smile. > > Mailman has a date? :) > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > John Buttery > (Web page temporarily unavailable) From bhilburn at frontier.net Sun Jan 12 18:29:25 2003 From: bhilburn at frontier.net (Bill Hilburn) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:29:25 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about changing the names of a list In-Reply-To: <001701c2b805$62afc970$6207a8c0@Janice> References: <001701c2b805$62afc970$6207a8c0@Janice> Message-ID: <1042392565.3e21a5f511a60@webmail.frontier.net> I have had customers ask to do this as well... IMHO it does not make sense to re-name a list, all of the archives will have the old address which is confusing to any current readers (think google searches) and in the end the email address for the list changes so you have to do an alias and the old list address just never goes away... I explain some of this to them and offer to start a fresh list with the new name but at the expense of dropping the old list altogether (they can inform the subscribers through the new list) It makes them think really hard about it and so far they stay with the existing list! Quoting Janice Leong : > I have a client who wishes to change the name of their list. Is there a > shorter, more efficient way of doing this than creating a new list, > configuring it to the old one and then deleting the old list? > > Thanks in advance. > Janice Leong, Web Production Manager > > NetEffect Communications - www.neteffect.ca > > janice at neteffect.ca > t. 416.350.8376 x 229 | f. 416.350.9661 > 366 Adelaide St. West, Unit 400, Toronto, ON M5V 1R9 > > > Bill Hilburn NOC Frontier Internet ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through frontier.net webmail service! From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Sun Jan 12 19:23:52 2003 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:23:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ok.. got everything working.. In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030112123617.039976e0@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030111175840.0453c008@mail.wingfoot.org> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030112132113.00bb29f8@mail.wingfoot.org> At 01:12 PM 1/12/2003 +0000, Richard Barrett posted the following... >Depends on how you want to change it. Assuming you've checked out the >final setup notes in INSTALL file, the notes in Defaults.py and made your >changes in mm_cfg.py I've read INSTALL, there seems to be nothing there showing me how to change that "mailman at www.wingfoot.org" to something useful. Neither was there anything in Defaults.py that I could find.. I searched archives and found "MAILMAN_OWNER", but that also does not appear in the Defaults.py file. I have placed that entry into my mm_cfg.py, to no avail. >You will probably want to use the $prefix/bin/fix_url.py bin/withlist >script to get the changes in mm_cfg.py to propagate to an existing list. Well this is on the "list of lists" page (https://www.wingfoot.org/mailman/listinfo) ... Again, thank you for all your help :) Of all that was going on, this is pretty minor, and certainly liveable for now. I just figured this would/should be an easily changed setting... Thanks! Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear "Religion is for those who do what they are told regardless of what is right. Spirituality is for those who do what is right regardless of what they are told." -- unattributed From mckemie at access4less.net Sun Jan 12 20:02:25 2003 From: mckemie at access4less.net (Willie McKemie) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:02:25 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posting restrictions In-Reply-To: <1042388516.24812.391.camel@galileo.carola.lan>; from mhnoyes@users.sourceforge.net on Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 08:21:55AM -0800 References: <20030112093908.A31265@deb22r2-48.mckemie.org> <1042388516.24812.391.camel@galileo.carola.lan> Message-ID: <20030112130225.A703@deb22r2-48.mckemie.org> > > How can I restrict posts to plain text? Or, at least, prohibit > > attachments of any sort? > > Willie, > If you're using MM 2.0x this FAQ should help. > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.010.htp > Thanks! There was some stuff (examples, I think, including "to: friends at public.com") already there. I just added the eleven Content Type lines listed in the FAQ above to the end of the stuff already there. That is correct? I see you are the author of that FAQ item. THANKS! -- Willie USS Harry S Truman: 97,000 tons of diplomacy Are YOU an html abuser? http://www.expita.com/nomime.html Linux system uptime 50 days 19 hours 56 minutes From jmb at 4dhispano.com Sun Jan 12 20:18:41 2003 From: jmb at 4dhispano.com (Jean-Michel Biraghi) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 20:18:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] More subscription fields... Message-ID: <20030112201841076269.GyazMail.jmb@4dhispano.com> Hi At least my first test list is running ! That's great... For a private customers-oriented list I would like to add some mandatory fields in the listinfo html file : complete name, company, customer ref, etc... With the "confirm and approve" subscription rule, it could be just cool to forward those customized fields to the list owner or moderator, to let him have a perfect and easy control. But I'm not sure it's possible as I found in archives a similar asking from Peter Turner few weeks ago : http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg13569.html Well, for the moment, I'll have the control by the email field... Regards ******************************************************************* Jean-Michel Biraghi 4D Hispano 28230 Las Rozas de Madrid, Spain http://www.4dhispano.com ******************************************************************* From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Sun Jan 12 20:27:41 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 19:27:41 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ok.. got everything working.. In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030112132113.00bb29f8@mail.wingfoot.org> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030112123617.039976e0@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.2.0.9.0.20030111175840.0453c008@mail.wingfoot.org> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030112192317.03a759b0@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 18:23 12/01/2003, Glenn Sieb wrote: >At 01:12 PM 1/12/2003 +0000, Richard Barrett posted the following... >>Depends on how you want to change it. Assuming you've checked out the >>final setup notes in INSTALL file, the notes in Defaults.py and made your >>changes in mm_cfg.py > >I've read INSTALL, there seems to be nothing there showing me how to >change that "mailman at www.wingfoot.org" to something useful. Neither was >there anything in Defaults.py that I could find.. I searched archives and >found "MAILMAN_OWNER", but that also does not appear in the Defaults.py >file. I have placed that entry into my mm_cfg.py, to no avail. The function listinfo_overview in $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py says: siteowner = Utils.get_site_email() Function get_site_email in $prefix/Mailman/Utils.py is defined as: def get_site_email(hostname=None, extra=None): if hostname is None: hostname = mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOSTS.get(get_domain(), get_domain()) if extra is None: return '%s@%s' % (mm_cfg.MAILMAN_SITE_LIST, hostname) return '%s-%s@%s' % (mm_cfg.MAILMAN_SITE_LIST, extra, hostname) From which we can conclude that the value of hostname hostname = mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOSTS.get(get_domain(), get_domain()) and the mailto is to the values of: '%s@%s' % (mm_cfg.MAILMAN_SITE_LIST, hostname) Function get_domain in $prefix/Mailman/Utils.py is defined as: def get_domain(): host = os.environ.get('HTTP_HOST', os.environ.get('SERVER_NAME')) port = os.environ.get('SERVER_PORT') # Strip off the port if there is one if port and host.endswith(':' + port): host = host[:-len(port)-1] if mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW and host: return host.lower() else: # See the note in Defaults.py concerning DEFAULT_HOST_NAME # vs. DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST. hostname = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_HOST_NAME or mm_cfg.DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST return hostname.lower() So I would guess that hostname is is defined by some combination of the following variables in Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py depending on which are defined and how: VIRTUAL_HOSTS MAILMAN_SITE_LIST DEFAULT_HOST_NAME DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST There is some information about these variable in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py. Hope this helps >>You will probably want to use the $prefix/bin/fix_url.py bin/withlist >>script to get the changes in mm_cfg.py to propagate to an existing list. > >Well this is on the "list of lists" page >(https://www.wingfoot.org/mailman/listinfo) ... > >Again, thank you for all your help :) Of all that was going on, this is >pretty minor, and certainly liveable for now. I just figured this >would/should be an easily changed setting... > >Thanks! >Glenn From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net Sun Jan 12 20:47:20 2003 From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes) Date: 12 Jan 2003 11:47:20 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posting restrictions In-Reply-To: <20030112130225.A703@deb22r2-48.mckemie.org> References: <20030112093908.A31265@deb22r2-48.mckemie.org> <1042388516.24812.391.camel@galileo.carola.lan> <20030112130225.A703@deb22r2-48.mckemie.org> Message-ID: <1042400842.24818.418.camel@galileo.carola.lan> On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 11:02, Willie McKemie wrote: > > > How can I restrict posts to plain text? Or, at least, prohibit > > > attachments of any sort? > > > > Willie, > > If you're using MM 2.0x this FAQ should help. > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.010.htp > > > Thanks! There was some stuff (examples, I think, including > "to: friends at public.com") already there. I just added the eleven > Content Type lines listed in the FAQ above to the end of the stuff > already there. That is correct? Willie, Yes. That should work fine. You may want to flag base64 messages also. Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ http://sitedocs.sf.net/ http://ffl.sf.net/ From david at midrange.com Sun Jan 12 21:16:33 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:16:33 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] contents of qfiles/bad ? Message-ID: Folks: I've got a lot of files in my qfiles/bad directory ... when I did a dumpdb on some of the files, they seem to contain valid messages. However, if I do an 'unshunt bad' command, I get the following log entry in vette... Jan 12 14:09:58 2003 (5922) Message discarded, msgid: <8F2B5241C41F7D469A3F8617D67A89701CC0FB at msrl3ex1.us.arch.com> That doesn't really tell me a lot about what is bad about the message. Any suggestions on how to investigate this? Thanks! david From david at midrange.com Sun Jan 12 21:50:41 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:50:41 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: contents of qfiles/bad ? References: Message-ID: "David Gibbs" wrote in message news:avsico$sac$1 at main.gmane.org... > I've got a lot of files in my qfiles/bad directory ... when I did a dumpdb > on some of the files, they seem to contain valid messages. Ok, I think I've figured out why the messages were being discarded ... they contained HTML only and no plain text. My content filtering rules didn't allow HTML through. I've enabled html on my content filtering, and also enabled the conversion from HTML to plaintext. Now, however, I'm getting the following showing up in my error log ... Jan 12 14:46:01 2003 (1198) HTML->text/plain error: 256 My html to text conversion command is this: /usr/bin/lynx -force_html -dump %(filename)s I've verified that /usr/bin/lynx exists and that mailman can run it. Any ideas why I would be getting the return code? Thanks! david From david at midrange.com Sun Jan 12 22:01:43 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:01:43 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: contents of qfiles/bad ? References: Message-ID: "David Gibbs" wrote in message news:avskcn$3bt$1 at main.gmane.org... > Jan 12 14:46:01 2003 (1198) HTML->text/plain error: 256 To add to the mystery, here's what the messages on the list contain after they've been sent through the conversion ... /root/z0cZVZ: Permission denied Mailman is owned by mailman, so I really don't think that's an issue. And the qrunner processes are running as 'mailman'. Any ideas? Thanks! david From mcobb at cobbcomm.com Sun Jan 12 22:55:36 2003 From: mcobb at cobbcomm.com (mcobb) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:55:36 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message-ID: From iain at neonnumbers.com Mon Jan 13 01:00:06 2003 From: iain at neonnumbers.com (Iain Donaldson) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 00:00:06 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem sending & receiving list messages (Exim 4.1, MM2.1, Mac OS X server 10.2.3) Message-ID: Folks: I've just 'completed' (hmmm) an installation of mailman with Exim 4.1 on MacOS X Server 10.2.3 and although mailman is configured and runs ok, mail messages are not getting from exim into Mailman. The error message(s) I get in Exim are: 2003-01-12 23:41:13 H8MK2L-0004F3-00 unable to set gid=1025 or uid=1027 (euid=25): local delivery to test-list transport=mailman_transport 2003-01-12 23:41:13 H8MK2L-0004F3-00 failed to read delivery status for test-list at neonnumbers.com from delivery subprocess The gid and uid numbers are the mailman group and user respectively. Mailman is installed in a virtual host configuration with a separate copy of Mailman for each domain within the Mailman user directory, e.g.: /Users/mailman/neonnumbers.com contains the Mailman installation for neonnumbers.com /Users/mailman/other-domain.com contains the Mailman installation for other-domain.com Etc The config for Exim is from the 'how-to' docs and is a router as follows: ### Router forMailman mail lists ### mailman_router: driver = accept require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/${domain}/lists/$local_part/config.pck local_part_suffix_optional local_part_suffix = -bounces : -bounces+* : \ -confirm+* : -join : -leave : \ -owner : -request : -admin transport = mailman_transport Which I think is working fine. The problem seems to be in the transport configuration: ## Transport for Mailman #### mailman_transport: driver = pipe command = MAILMAN_HOME/${domain}/mail/mailman \ '${if def:local_part_suffix \ {${sg{$local_part_suffix}{-(\\w+)(\\+.*)?}{\$1}}} \ {post}}' \ $local_part current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME/${domain} home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME/${domain} user = MAILMAN_USER group = MAILMAN_GROUP (where MAILMAN_HOME is /User/mailman and the MAILMAN_USER and MAILMAN_GROUP are 'mailman') I have checked all the configuration with respect to Mailman and all seems fine (e.g. Check_perms reports all is well). This looks like it's a permissions thing either in mailman or Exim, but I'm a bit stumped thus far - any help or guidance appreciated. Thanks in advance. ..Iain -- Iain Donaldson iain at neonnumbers.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Jan 13 03:40:23 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 12 Jan 2003 21:40:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: contents of qfiles/bad ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1042425628.1614.2.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Does your process need to write a temp file? Could you be running into a file creation problem? Does the user mailman have a valid home directory setup? On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 16:01, David Gibbs wrote: > "David Gibbs" wrote in message > news:avskcn$3bt$1 at main.gmane.org... > > Jan 12 14:46:01 2003 (1198) HTML->text/plain error: 256 > > To add to the mystery, here's what the messages on the list contain after > they've been sent through the conversion ... > > /root/z0cZVZ: Permission denied > > Mailman is owned by mailman, so I really don't think that's an issue. And > the qrunner processes are running as 'mailman'. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks! > > david > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Jan 13 03:45:07 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 12 Jan 2003 21:45:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem sending & receiving list messages (Exim 4.1, MM2.1, Mac OS X server 10.2.3) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1042425911.1610.6.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Since you are running a virtual setup with multiple copies, did you install each copy to run as "mailman" or did you follow the recommended process of giving each install a unique user (like mailman002, mailman003, etc)? Another item to look at, are the installs running in a chrooted environment, and if so, do the users and groups exist within that chrooted environment? Good Luck - Jon Carnes === On Sun, 2003-01-12 at 19:00, Iain Donaldson wrote: > Folks: > > I've just 'completed' (hmmm) an installation of mailman with Exim 4.1 on > MacOS X Server 10.2.3 and although mailman is configured and runs ok, mail > messages are not getting from exim into Mailman. > > The error message(s) I get in Exim are: > > 2003-01-12 23:41:13 H8MK2L-0004F3-00 unable to set gid=1025 or uid=1027 > (euid=25): local delivery to test-list > transport=mailman_transport > 2003-01-12 23:41:13 H8MK2L-0004F3-00 failed to read delivery status for > test-list at neonnumbers.com from delivery subprocess > > The gid and uid numbers are the mailman group and user respectively. > > Mailman is installed in a virtual host configuration with a separate copy of > Mailman for each domain within the Mailman user directory, e.g.: > > /Users/mailman/neonnumbers.com contains the Mailman installation for > neonnumbers.com > /Users/mailman/other-domain.com contains the Mailman installation for > other-domain.com > Etc > > The config for Exim is from the 'how-to' docs and is a router as follows: > > ### Router forMailman mail lists ### > > mailman_router: > driver = accept > require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/${domain}/lists/$local_part/config.pck > local_part_suffix_optional > local_part_suffix = -bounces : -bounces+* : \ > -confirm+* : -join : -leave : \ > -owner : -request : -admin > transport = mailman_transport > > Which I think is working fine. The problem seems to be in the transport > configuration: > > ## Transport for Mailman #### > > mailman_transport: > driver = pipe > command = MAILMAN_HOME/${domain}/mail/mailman \ > '${if def:local_part_suffix \ > {${sg{$local_part_suffix}{-(\\w+)(\\+.*)?}{\$1}}} \ > {post}}' \ > $local_part > current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME/${domain} > home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME/${domain} > user = MAILMAN_USER > group = MAILMAN_GROUP > > (where MAILMAN_HOME is /User/mailman and the MAILMAN_USER and MAILMAN_GROUP > are 'mailman') > > I have checked all the configuration with respect to Mailman and all seems > fine (e.g. Check_perms reports all is well). > > This looks like it's a permissions thing either in mailman or Exim, but I'm > a bit stumped thus far - any help or guidance appreciated. > > Thanks in advance. > > ..Iain > -- > Iain Donaldson > iain at neonnumbers.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From david at midrange.com Mon Jan 13 05:08:46 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 22:08:46 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Re: contents of qfiles/bad ? References: <1042425628.1614.2.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: "Jon Carnes" wrote in message news:1042425628.1614.2.camel at Anns1.nc.rr.com... > Does your process need to write a temp file? Dunno ... it's just lynks ... I don't use it that much. > Could you be running into > a file creation problem? Does the user mailman have a valid home > directory setup? It does have a home directory setup. I don't know where it's getting '/root' from. david From jwblist at olympus.net Mon Jan 13 07:15:52 2003 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 22:15:52 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: contents of qfiles/bad ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 15:01 -0600 1/12/2003, David Gibbs wrote: >To add to the mystery, here's what the messages on the list contain after >they've been sent through the conversion ... > >/root/z0cZVZ: Permission denied > >Mailman is owned by mailman, so I really don't think that's an issue. And >the qrunner processes are running as 'mailman'. If you become root using su - and then su - mailman, what happens? Output of whoami pwd ls -lad ~ It looks as if the moral equivalent of that su sequence is failing, leaving the process running as mailman but with /root as the current working directory OR as the directory referred to as ~. Since mailman can't write files into /root (on any sane system), bad things happen. --John -- John Baxter jwblist at olympus.net Port Ludlow, WA, USA From jwblist at olympus.net Mon Jan 13 07:32:15 2003 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 22:32:15 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posting restrictions In-Reply-To: <20030112093908.A31265@deb22r2-48.mckemie.org> References: <20030112093908.A31265@deb22r2-48.mckemie.org> Message-ID: At 9:39 -0600 1/12/2003, Willie McKemie wrote: >How do I determine if I'm running Mm2.0 or Mm2.1? I am using Mm >through a hosting service; I do have shell access, but can't find >anything Mm related via that route. Look at the full headers in a message the list has sent. Unless your hosting firm has suppressed the header, you should see X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 or X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 etc. I don't know how to do that with mutt, which I've never used. --John -- John Baxter jwblist at olympus.net Port Ludlow, WA, USA From jwblist at olympus.net Mon Jan 13 07:40:43 2003 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 22:40:43 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about changing the names of a list In-Reply-To: <1042392565.3e21a5f511a60@webmail.frontier.net> References: <001701c2b805$62afc970$6207a8c0@Janice> <1042392565.3e21a5f511a60@webmail.frontier.net> Message-ID: At 10:29 -0700 1/12/2003, Bill Hilburn wrote: >I explain some of this to them and offer to start a fresh list with the >new name > but at the expense of dropping the old list altogether (they can inform the >subscribers through the new list) > >It makes them think really hard about it and so far they stay with the >existing >list! Thanks, Bill...that reminded me to verify that our service description for mailing list offerings advises people to be sure of the name when they request the list. And probably make the statement stronger if it is there --John (who is about to undertake a transfer of mailing lists to a machine with Much newer Linux Much newer Exim Much newer Mailman Probably a different location for the Mailman list directory... I think I'll probably recreate the lists. And then there are the four still on Majordomo on an even older server.) -- John Baxter jwblist at olympus.net Port Ludlow, WA, USA From gualter at gaia.org.pt Mon Jan 13 12:26:57 2003 From: gualter at gaia.org.pt (Gualter Barbas Baptista) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:26:57 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with mail encoding Message-ID: <3E22A281.4080702@gaia.org.pt> I'm having problems with mail encodings other that UTF-8. Even I've set the default charset for iso-8859-1, it keeps giving me the error shown below. Another question I have is: even if I manage to fix this to work with iso-8859-1, how will mailman be able to process other encoding too, like for example windows-1252, us-ascii or utf-8? Just because not everyone has the e-mail client configured in the same way. Below is the error. Thanks in advance. Jan 13 11:01:41 2003 (2277) Uncaught runner exception: unknown encoding Jan 13 11:01:41 2003 (2277) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 129, in _dispose status = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 152, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 74, in process prefix_subject(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 253, in prefix_subject h.append(s, c) File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 243, in append s = s.encode(outcodec) LookupError: unknown encoding Jan 13 11:01:41 2003 (2277) SHUNTING: 1042455697.098894+a208992fecd38608c2fb91f0c337e5ed8bbeafba -- Gualter Barbas Baptista gualter at gaia.org.pt ICQ# 8106393 jabber.org: gandhiano GAIA - Grupo de Ac??o e Interven??o Ambiental http://gaia.org.pt gaia at gaia.org.pt Portugal From jdecarlo at mitre.org Mon Jan 13 14:51:09 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 08:51:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderating a list via email Message-ID: <3E22C44D.4070108@mitre.org> Hello, I have searched the FAQ, I have searched the archives, I have done Google searches, I went to www.list.org and other links from there. I swear I have seen this somewhere before, but now can't find it. Apologies in advance. Problem: The moderators need to be able to moderate some lists when they don't have access to the web interface, but do have access to email. (For some internal lists, the web server is behind a firewall and only accessible on site or via VPN.) Then I will try to change the text that goes with the email to the moderators, referencing the email approval process as well. Thank for any pointers -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch Mon Jan 13 14:59:57 2003 From: jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch (Jean Berthold) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:59:57 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic publishing from mailing list without approbation Message-ID: <3E22C65D.EC40EBD8@eos-gd.ch> Hello, I have the following problem: I would like to publish emails FROM a mailing list (non-mailman) INTO a mailman mailing list, at each message, I need to approve the message from admin web page: As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: Etrans at atlanta.eos.elro From: toto_list Subject: test 7 Reason: Message has implicit destination ... ... to approve or deny the request. How-to set up mailman to approve message whitout human intervention ? Thanks for your help -- ________________________________ Jean Berthold EOS - energie ouest suisse Chemin de Mornex 10 , CP 570 CH-1001 Lausanne , Switzerland Tel. : +41 (0)21 341 24 58 Fax : +41 (0)21 341 20 49 E-Mail : jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch ________________________________ ...Unix is like a wigwam - no windows, no gates, apache inside... From jdecarlo at mitre.org Mon Jan 13 15:39:48 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:39:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderating a list via email In-Reply-To: <3E22C44D.4070108@mitre.org> References: <3E22C44D.4070108@mitre.org> Message-ID: <3E22CFB4.3020303@mitre.org> Hello, Replying to my own request, but there you go. I found that reading the email about moderation more carefully showed that there was an attached email: >Subject: >confirm 5f901f3663c7d0e7d90ffb2de186da8bdfb2fdad >From: >list-name-request at parsnip.site.org > >If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact, >Mailman will discard the held message. Do this if the message is >spam. If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header >with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting >to the list. The Approved: header can also appear in the first line >of the body of the reply. It was a little bit tricky, but while I could not figure out how to reply to the attached message, I could cut and paste the Subject: line into a new message to the right address. (P.S. I found in the archives a note from Jon Carnes suggesting sending "help" command to the list-request address. This got me to the "confirm" command, which actually led to searching for confirm and finding the attachment email which I had not thought to try and read before.) John DeCarlo wrote: > Hello, > > I have searched the FAQ, I have searched the archives, I have done > Google searches, I went to www.list.org and other links from there. > I swear I have seen this somewhere before, but now can't find it. > Apologies in advance. > > Problem: The moderators need to be able to moderate some lists when > they don't have access to the web interface, but do have access to > email. (For some internal lists, the web server is behind a firewall > and only accessible on site or via VPN.) > > Then I will try to change the text that goes with the email to the > moderators, referencing the email approval process as well. > > Thank for any pointers > -- John DeCarlo, The MITRE Corporation, My Views Are My Own email: jdecarlo at mitre.org voice: 703-883-7116 fax: 703-883-3383 DISA cube: 703-882-0593 From iain at neonnumbers.com Mon Jan 13 17:25:58 2003 From: iain at neonnumbers.com (Iain Donaldson) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:25:58 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem sending & receiving list messages (Exim 4.1, MM2.1, Mac OS X server 10.2.3) SOLVED In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51675.217.150.101.114.1042475158.squirrel@xserve-one.seatofthepants.net> Folks: Turns out this problem was an incorrect setuid preference on the exim binary. Applying 'chmod u+s' to the exim binary solved the problem. Schoolboy error, it would appear! Cheers ..Iain > Folks: > > I've just 'completed' (hmmm) an installation of mailman with Exim 4.1 on > MacOS X Server 10.2.3 and although mailman is configured and runs ok, > mail messages are not getting from exim into Mailman. > > The error message(s) I get in Exim are: > > 2003-01-12 23:41:13 H8MK2L-0004F3-00 unable to set gid=1025 or uid=1027 > (euid=25): local delivery to test-list > transport=mailman_transport > 2003-01-12 23:41:13 H8MK2L-0004F3-00 failed to read delivery status for > test-list at neonnumbers.com from delivery subprocess > > The gid and uid numbers are the mailman group and user respectively. > > Mailman is installed in a virtual host configuration with a separate > copy of Mailman for each domain within the Mailman user directory, e.g.: > > /Users/mailman/neonnumbers.com contains the Mailman installation for > neonnumbers.com > /Users/mailman/other-domain.com contains the Mailman installation for > other-domain.com > Etc > > The config for Exim is from the 'how-to' docs and is a router as > follows: > > ### Router forMailman mail lists ### > > mailman_router: > driver = accept > require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/${domain}/lists/$local_part/config.pck > local_part_suffix_optional > local_part_suffix = -bounces : -bounces+* : \ > -confirm+* : -join : -leave : \ > -owner : -request : -admin > transport = mailman_transport > > Which I think is working fine. The problem seems to be in the transport > configuration: > > ## Transport for Mailman #### > > mailman_transport: > driver = pipe > command = MAILMAN_HOME/${domain}/mail/mailman \ > '${if def:local_part_suffix \ > {${sg{$local_part_suffix}{-(\\w+)(\\+.*)?}{\$1}}} \ > {post}}' \ > $local_part > current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME/${domain} > home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME/${domain} > user = MAILMAN_USER > group = MAILMAN_GROUP > > (where MAILMAN_HOME is /User/mailman and the MAILMAN_USER and > MAILMAN_GROUP are 'mailman') > > I have checked all the configuration with respect to Mailman and all > seems fine (e.g. Check_perms reports all is well). > > This looks like it's a permissions thing either in mailman or Exim, but > I'm a bit stumped thus far - any help or guidance appreciated. > > Thanks in advance. > > ..Iain > -- > Iain Donaldson > iain at neonnumbers.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: iain at neonnumbers.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/iain%40neonnumbers.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Jan 13 17:57:24 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 13 Jan 2003 11:57:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic publishing from mailing list without approbation In-Reply-To: <3E22C65D.EC40EBD8@eos-gd.ch> References: <3E22C65D.EC40EBD8@eos-gd.ch> Message-ID: <1042477048.2381.4.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Under Privacy Options in the web-admin you can add the address of the first list (the non-Mailman list) as an acceptable name for submission to the Mailman list. On Mon, 2003-01-13 at 08:59, Jean Berthold wrote: > Hello, > > I have the following problem: > > I would like to publish emails FROM a mailing list (non-mailman) INTO a > mailman mailing list, at each message, I need to > approve the message from admin web page: > > As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the > following mailing list posting: > > List: Etrans at atlanta.eos.elro > From: toto_list > Subject: test 7 > Reason: Message has implicit destination > > ... > ... > to approve or deny the request. > > How-to set up mailman to approve message whitout human intervention ? > > Thanks for your help > > > -- > ________________________________ > > Jean Berthold > EOS - energie ouest suisse > Chemin de Mornex 10 , CP 570 > CH-1001 Lausanne , Switzerland > Tel. : +41 (0)21 341 24 58 > Fax : +41 (0)21 341 20 49 > E-Mail : jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch > ________________________________ > > > > ...Unix is like a wigwam - no windows, no > gates, apache inside... > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From greg at gregwestin.com Mon Jan 13 20:22:28 2003 From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:22:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default Mail host name Message-ID: I'm just setting up my mail server and Mailman 2.1, and noticed that the configure script can't find my proper mail host name. When I ran the script earlier, it came up with my username, which for some reason was the hostname my computer was defaulting to. I changed the hostname in /etc/hostconfig, and used both the 'hostname' and 'domainname' commands to specify gregwestin.com as my host name, and now when I run the configure script I get a default mail host name and default URL host component assigned by my service provider. I'm running OS X and using Mailman 2.1 with Postfix. Any ideas? Thanks, Greg --- greg at gregwestin.com http://www.gregwestin.com/ Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php From edg at greenberg.org Mon Jan 13 22:40:59 2003 From: edg at greenberg.org (Ed Greenberg) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:40:59 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-* headers Message-ID: <532994656.1042465259@W0007FHH30B.corp.palm.com> Now that 2.1 has -subscribe and -unsubscribe addresses as well as a -request address shouldn't the headers of the lists carry an appropriate List-Subscribe and List-Unsubscribe header? Mine (and this list's) still show the older format of How do I fix? From wheakory at isu.edu Mon Jan 13 23:32:23 2003 From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:32:23 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Create mailing list on the web error Message-ID: <3E233E77.88303068@isu.edu> I received the below error when I tried to create a mailing list from the Mailman web interface page. It did add the list into the alias file, but it failed to run "postalias" probably because of permission issue's I'm guessing. I have my alias file in /var/mailman/mailman/data/aliases and the permissions are rw-rw---- mailman mailman aliases. I believe I need to change the permissons to rw-rw-rw- to get this to function properly, but this will leave a big security hole, is there a work around to getting this to function correctly on the web. Bug in Mailman version 2.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/var/mailman/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main process_request(doc, cgidata) File "/var/mailman/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in process_request sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) File "/var/mailman/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 226, in create _update_maps() File "/var/mailman/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 47, in _update_maps raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /var/mailman/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.1 (#1, Aug 30 2002, 12:15:30) [GCC 3.2 20020822 (Red Hat Linux Rawhide 3.2-4)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 Environment variables: Variable Value CONTENT_LENGTH 142 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_COOKIE ssogrp1-nda45=ux9.isu.edu-15c%253A3e231b6a%253Aa371957ae32d457c SCRIPT_FILENAME /var/mailman/mailman/cgi-bin/create PYTHONPATH /var/mailman/mailman SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux) SERVER_ADMIN root at localhost SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/create SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/2.0.40 Server at kwlinux.isu.edu Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD POST HTTP_HOST kwlinux.isu.edu HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 300 SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING REQUEST_URI /mailman/create HTTP_ACCEPT text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,text/css,*/*;q=0.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-1, utf-8;q=0.66, *;q=0.66 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive HTTP_REFERER http://kwlinux.isu.edu/mailman/create SERVER_NAME kwlinux.isu.edu REMOTE_ADDR 134.50.249.22 REMOTE_PORT 4423 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us, en;q=0.50 UNIQUE_ID Sl0jwoYy at TAAAERzLY0AAAAF SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate, compress;q=0.9 SERVER_ADDR 134.50.249.48 DOCUMENT_ROOT /var/www/html -- Kory Wheatley Academic Computing Analyst Sr. Phone 282-3874 ######################################### Everything must point to him. From lothian at cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 14 01:56:26 2003 From: lothian at cs.utk.edu (Josh Lothian) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:56:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing old list archives Message-ID: <20030113195626.A18111@klutz.cs.utk.edu> We are trying to convince some of our users to switch from proprietary mailing list systems they wrote themselves to mailman. I am having trouoble with one - he has a very large collection of archives of his old lists he wants imported into mailman. I'm using Mailman 2.0.12 with the defautl pipermail archiver. Is there an easy way to convince it to include the old archives in its listing? He can convert the archives into most any variation of mbox files i need. Thanks much, -Josh -- Josh Lothian System Administrator lothian at cs.utk.edu Computer Science Dept. 865.974.3840 U. of Tennessee, Knoxville From tmaddox at thereinc.com Tue Jan 14 02:20:12 2003 From: tmaddox at thereinc.com (Tom Maddox) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:20:12 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Config_list doesn't do anything Message-ID: I have an odd problem with Mailman 2.0.8 that appears to have been going on for a while. To wit, the config_list program doesn't appear to actually update a target list. When I run config_list with the -v option, it says that the specified attributes have been changed, but when I run "config_list -o," they have not been. Has anyone seen this behavior before? Thanks, Tom From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 14 02:23:52 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 13 Jan 2003 20:23:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing old list archives In-Reply-To: <20030113195626.A18111@klutz.cs.utk.edu> References: <20030113195626.A18111@klutz.cs.utk.edu> Message-ID: <1042507440.2761.2.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Check out the ~mailman/bin/arch command. It will turn an ordinary mbox file into web-based archives ala' Pipermail. You'll have to put the mbox file in the right place: ~mailman/archives/private/.mbox/.mbox (that's from memory, so you should verify it). Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-01-13 at 19:56, Josh Lothian wrote: > We are trying to convince some of our users to switch from proprietary > mailing list systems they wrote themselves to mailman. I am having > trouoble with one - he has a very large collection of archives of his > old lists he wants imported into mailman. > > I'm using Mailman 2.0.12 with the defautl pipermail archiver. Is there > an easy way to convince it to include the old archives in its listing? > He can convert the archives into most any variation of mbox files i need. > > Thanks much, > > -Josh > > -- > Josh Lothian System Administrator > lothian at cs.utk.edu Computer Science Dept. > 865.974.3840 U. of Tennessee, Knoxville > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From bdbeers at netkill.com Tue Jan 14 04:50:54 2003 From: bdbeers at netkill.com (Brian D. Beers) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 22:50:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List names not shown in available lists page. Message-ID: <66A480873483E449ADB1F13F34C33F490BF5D1@deskpro.netkill.com> I am running Mailman 2.1 on Solaris 9. No minor feat to configure! The lists I have imported from the older version of mailmain, 2.0, on a different server, do not show in the listinfo page. The lists are all marked to advertise in the privacy options. If I create a new list, it is displayed correctly. Any ideas? From macnut at macnuthome.com Tue Jan 14 09:09:38 2003 From: macnut at macnuthome.com (Victor Daniel a.k.a the MacNut) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 03:09:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Domain Name In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A hopefully simple question: is it possible to set the preferred hostname for a MailMan-hosted list to a hostname on a different server (i.e. a server that is not hosting the list). Assuming, of course, that the hostname actually exists and is set up properly in DNS, etc. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Victor Daniel a.k.a The MacNut the.macnut at verizon.net macnut at macnuthome.com Listmom, ClarisWorks/AppleWorks email list: And the Macintosh Personal Finance List: From mary at bgumail.bgu.ac.il Tue Jan 14 09:12:20 2003 From: mary at bgumail.bgu.ac.il (Marina Markus) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:12:20 +0200 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] "checkdbs" script problem Message-ID: Hello All, I've recently upgraded our Mailman installation to version 2.1. There is a lot of impressive improvements; but also one crontab-run script which crashes in the middle. It's "checkdbs" which should send reminders about pending requests - here's the error log I get every morning: Cron /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 136, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 80, in main text += '\n' + pending_requests(mlist) File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 98, in pending_requests for id in mlist.GetSubscriptionIds(): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 157, in GetSubscriptionIds return self.__getmsgids(SUBSCRIPTION) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 149, in __getmsgids ids = [k for k, (type, data) in self.__db.items() if type == rtype] ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size Would be grateful for any idea. Please answer directly to my email and not (only) to the list. Thanks in advance, Marina Markus Ben-Gurion University Computer Center Beer-Sheva, Israel ====================== mary at bgumail.bgu.ac.il From jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch Tue Jan 14 11:09:28 2003 From: jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch (Jean Berthold) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:09:28 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic publishing from mailing list withoutapprobation References: <3E22C65D.EC40EBD8@eos-gd.ch> <1042477048.2381.4.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <3E23E1D8.569BE3BF@eos-gd.ch> Hello Jon, Thank you for your response but I have already tried this option, and it doesn't work. The actual configuration is as follow: Menu: ------- Privacy options-->Sender filters-->Non-member filters List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted. (Details for accept_these_nonmembers) with the following values : softsme at eos-gd.ch dispatching at etrans.ch eos-etrans-dispatching at eos-gd.ch EOS-ETRANS-DISPATCHING at eos-gd.ch ilya.nicoloff at eos-gd.ch We always to approve the subscription: As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: Etrans at atlanta.eos.elro From: ilya.nicoloff at eos-gd.ch Subject: test 13 Reason: Message has implicit destination At your convenience, visit: http://atlanta.eos.elro/mailman/admindb/etrans to approve or deny the request. Thanks again and have a nice day Jean Jon Carnes a ?crit : > Under Privacy Options in the web-admin you can add the address of the > first list (the non-Mailman list) as an acceptable name for submission > to the Mailman list. > > On Mon, 2003-01-13 at 08:59, Jean Berthold wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have the following problem: > > > > I would like to publish emails FROM a mailing list (non-mailman) INTO a > > mailman mailing list, at each message, I need to > > approve the message from admin web page: > > > > As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the > > following mailing list posting: > > > > List: Etrans at atlanta.eos.elro > > From: eos-etrans-dispatching at eos-gd.ch > > Subject: test 7 > > Reason: Message has implicit destination > > > > ... > > ... > > to approve or deny the request. > > > > How-to set up mailman to approve message whitout human intervention ? > > > > Thanks for your help > > > > > > -- > > ________________________________ > > > > Jean Berthold > > EOS - energie ouest suisse > > Chemin de Mornex 10 , CP 570 > > CH-1001 Lausanne , Switzerland > > Tel. : +41 (0)21 341 24 58 > > Fax : +41 (0)21 341 20 49 > > E-Mail : jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > ...Unix is like a wigwam - no windows, no > > gates, apache inside... > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com -- ________________________________ Jean Berthold EOS - energie ouest suisse Chemin de Mornex 10 , CP 570 CH-1001 Lausanne , Switzerland Tel. : +41 (0)21 341 24 58 Fax : +41 (0)21 341 20 49 E-Mail : jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch ________________________________ ...Unix is like a wigwam - no windows, no gates, apache inside... From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 14 16:05:37 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 14 Jan 2003 10:05:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List names not shown in available lists page. In-Reply-To: <66A480873483E449ADB1F13F34C33F490BF5D1@deskpro.netkill.com> References: <66A480873483E449ADB1F13F34C33F490BF5D1@deskpro.netkill.com> Message-ID: <1042556741.2172.15.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> I'll bet they show up in the admin page though... Check the URL's for the lists and make sure that they are correct (and that they match your current web configuration). On Mon, 2003-01-13 at 22:50, Brian D. Beers wrote: > > I am running Mailman 2.1 on Solaris 9. No minor feat to configure! > > The lists I have imported from the older version of mailmain, 2.0, on a > different server, do not show in the listinfo page. The lists are all > marked to advertise in the privacy options. If I create a new list, it > is displayed correctly. > > Any ideas? > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From foulox at yahoo.com Tue Jan 14 16:15:45 2003 From: foulox at yahoo.com (Lou Fox) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:15:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No route to host In-Reply-To: <20030111022630.DE48264F11@camomile.cloud9.net> References: <20030111022630.DE48264F11@camomile.cloud9.net> Message-ID: <3E2429A1.2070801@yahoo.com> Does anyone have an idea of how I can fix the missing route to host? >I'm using: >redhat 8 >mailman-2.0.13-3 >postfix-1.1.11-5 > >I've made the following changes to postfix's main.cf file: >myhostname = foulox.com >mydestination = $myhostname, 127.0.0.1, $mydomain >mydomain = foulox.com >myorigin = $myhostname >inet_interfaces = all >mynetworks_style = host >relay_domains = $mydestination >local_recipient_maps = $alias_maps unix:passwd.byname >alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases >alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases >ail_spool_directory = /var/spool/mail >mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail > >I've made the following changes to my mm_cfg.py file: >DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'foulox.com' > >I've created a new list, and copied the information into >/etc/postfix/aliases file, ran newaliases, then pressed enter so it >continue owner verification. > >I never receive an email. My mail log doesn't even show an attempt being >made to send an email. The smtp file shows the following error repeated >over and over again: > >All recipients refused: (113, 'No route to host') > >Now I poked around a bit, and I found this. If I attempt to telnet to >localhost 25, it actually tries to go to localhost.com, and is >unsuccessful. If I try to go to foulox.com 25, I have no problem. Is >this the problem? If so how can I correct it. And if not, do you have >any suggestions? > >Thanks in advance for any suggestions you might offer! > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: loufox at cloud9.net >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/loufox%40cloud9.net > > From greg at gregwestin.com Tue Jan 14 16:40:18 2003 From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:40:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] List names not shown in available lists page. In-Reply-To: <1042556741.2172.15.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: I know that questions of lists showing up on admin pages but not listinfo pages are in the archives, but I don't know if any resolutions for the issue are. Greg --- greg at gregwestin.com http://www.gregwestin.com/ Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php On 14 Jan 2003, Jon Carnes wrote: > I'll bet they show up in the admin page though... Check the URL's for > the lists and make sure that they are correct (and that they match your > current web configuration). > > On Mon, 2003-01-13 at 22:50, Brian D. Beers wrote: > > > > I am running Mailman 2.1 on Solaris 9. No minor feat to configure! > > > > The lists I have imported from the older version of mailmain, 2.0, on a > > different server, do not show in the listinfo page. The lists are all > > marked to advertise in the privacy options. If I create a new list, it > > is displayed correctly. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: greg at gregwestin.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/greg%40gregwestin.com > From bryanf at samurai.com Tue Jan 14 16:42:36 2003 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:42:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: [Mailman] Cron /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman-2.1/cron/checkdbs Message-ID: This just came thru on my mm2.1 setup - anyone seen anything like it? Looks like there's a corrupt pending request somewhere, but I'm unsure how to fix. Thanks, Bryan Begin forwarded message: > From: mailman at nibble.samurai.com (Cron Daemon) > Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 8:00:01 AM Canada/Eastern > To: mailman at nibble.samurai.com > Subject: [Mailman] Cron /usr/local/bin/python -S > /home/mailman-2.1/cron/checkdbs > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/home/mailman-2.1/cron/checkdbs", line 136, in ? > main() > File "/home/mailman-2.1/cron/checkdbs", line 80, in main > text += '\n' + pending_requests(mlist) > File "/home/mailman-2.1/cron/checkdbs", line 102, in pending_requests > when, addr, fullname, passwd, digest, lang = mlist.GetRecord(id) > ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size > _______________________________________________ > Mailman mailing list > Mailman at lists.samurai.com > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/mailman From david at midrange.com Tue Jan 14 17:07:53 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:07:53 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] VERP'ed delivery error Message-ID: Folks: I've activated the occasional VERP message delivery feature (every 25 messages), and noticed the following log entry in smtp-failure ... Jan 14 09:55:05 2003 (30915) All recipients refused: (553, '5.1.8 ... Domain of sender address midrange-l-bounces+ellis?asrdh%asrdh=asrdh.rdh.ohio-state.edu at midrange.com does not exist', 'midrange-l-bounces+ellis?asrdh%asrdh=asrdh.rdh.ohio-state.edu at midrange.com' ) Any idea if this is on my end or theirs? Thanks! david From jdecarlo at mitre.org Tue Jan 14 17:35:11 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:35:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Clarification on filtering messages going to Mailman lists Message-ID: <3E243C3F.9020406@mitre.org> Hello, I can see FAQ 4.15 on using procmail to filter email before Mailman gets it. I have seen discussions in the archives about using other spam software to filter, as well as a "wish list" request to have Mailman itself handle "out of office" replies. Also a long thread about idiotic software and users and needing to look for hundreds of different variations on the "out of office" message. Can I safely conclude that Mailman is not designed in any way to filter these kinds of messages itself? The Topics area is really designed to identify types of messages to send to the subscribers, not to identify bins no one would want to see, right? Thanks. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From bryanf at samurai.com Tue Jan 14 19:03:47 2003 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 13:03:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: admindb - "Add [email] to a sender filter" In-Reply-To: <8AF0D710-24BC-11D7-9A98-000393013B04@samurai.com> Message-ID: <87032A1E-27EA-11D7-89CD-0003936377F0@samurai.com> Ah, I suspect this might be a result of the 2.0/2.1 cookie problems. Haven't seen this recently, and subsequent attempts to add addresses to sender filters have worked as expected. Thanks, Bryan On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 11:57 AM, Bryan Fullerton wrote: > Howdy, > > When I approve a message and also select "Add [email] to a sender > filter", is it supposed to add them to the non-member filter lists > under the admin/[list]/privacy/sender web interface? I just approved a > message and selected that option, but they're not listed in the sender > filters. > > Thanks, > > Bryan > From jdecarlo at mitre.org Tue Jan 14 19:12:04 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 13:12:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Clarification on filtering messages going to Mailman lists In-Reply-To: <3E243C3F.9020406@mitre.org> References: <3E243C3F.9020406@mitre.org> Message-ID: <3E2452F4.1020605@mitre.org> Sorry again, I found what I was looking for under Privacy -> Spam Filters options, with a hint from the very next message I saw. John DeCarlo wrote: > Hello, > > I can see FAQ 4.15 on using procmail to filter email before Mailman gets > it. I have seen discussions in the archives about using other spam > software to filter, as well as a "wish list" request to have Mailman > itself handle "out of office" replies. Also a long thread about idiotic > software and users and needing to look for hundreds of different > variations on the "out of office" message. > > Can I safely conclude that Mailman is not designed in any way to filter > these kinds of messages itself? > > The Topics area is really designed to identify types of messages to send > to the subscribers, not to identify bins no one would want to see, right? > > Thanks. > -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From ashley at pcraft.com Tue Jan 14 19:22:37 2003 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:22:37 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Assertion Error? Message-ID: <3E24556D.60803@pcraft.com> Help? Jan 14 11:19:38 2003 (24275) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/domain.net/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/home/mailman/domani.net/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/home/mailman/domain.net/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 129, in _dispose status = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/home/mailman/domain.net/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 152, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/home/mailman/domain.net/Mailman/Handlers/Moderate.py", line 67, in process ModeratedMemberPost) File "/home/mailman/domain.net/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 207, in hold_for_approval id = mlist.HoldMessage(msg, reason, msgdata) File "/home/mailman/domani.net/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 202, in HoldMessage assert not self.__db.has_key(id) AssertionError -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From osinski at cs.nyu.edu Tue Jan 14 20:32:42 2003 From: osinski at cs.nyu.edu (Ed Osinski) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:32:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade problems (2.0.13 -> 2.1); Incoming qrunner dies Message-ID: <20030114143242.G22310@griffin.CS.NYU.EDU> I've upgraded from 2.0.13 to 2.1, and am having problems: When running "bin/mailmanctl start", I get a series of errors: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? main() File "/usr/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main qrunner.run() File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run filecnt = self._oneloop() File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in _oneloop msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 144, in dequeue data = self._ext_read(dbfile) File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 245, in _ext_read dict = marshal.load(fp) EOFError : EOF read where object expected This is repeated 11 times. When I run ps to look for qrunner processes, I find: mailman 18209 18202 0 13:21:29 ? 0:01 qrunner /usr/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s mailman 18203 18202 0 13:21:28 ? 0:01 qrunner /usr/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s mailman 18208 18202 0 13:21:29 ? 0:01 qrunner /usr/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s mailman 18204 18202 0 13:21:28 ? 0:01 qrunner /usr/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s mailman 18205 18202 0 13:21:28 ? 0:01 qrunner /usr/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s mailman 18207 18202 0 13:21:28 ? 0:01 qrunner /usr/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s There is no IncomingRunner. I created a test list. The web interface seems to work for both admins and users, so I subscribed myself. I got the subscription message, but messages _to_ the test list appear in the qfiles/in subdirectory (both a .msg and a .db file is created for each incoming message) but aren't delivered to the list. Any ideas? I have another problem with an existing list, but I'll send that in another message. - Ed From osinski at cs.nyu.edu Tue Jan 14 20:45:33 2003 From: osinski at cs.nyu.edu (Ed Osinski) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:45:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another upgrade problem (2.0.13 -> 2.1); pending admin request page hosed Message-ID: <20030114144533.H22310@griffin.CS.NYU.EDU> Hi, I upgraded from 2.0.13 to 2.1, and I run into a problem when trying to access the "Tend to pending moderator requests" page of a pre-existing list. I get: Bug in Mailman version 2.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 226, in main num = show_pending_subs(mlist, form) File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 264, in show_pending_subs pendingsubs = mlist.GetSubscriptionIds() File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 161, in GetSubscriptionIds return self.__getmsgids(SUBSCRIPTION) File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 150, in __getmsgids for k, (type, data) in self.__db.items(): ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size Any idea what I can do to get rid of this? - Ed From chris.a.adams at state.or.us Tue Jan 14 20:53:00 2003 From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:53:00 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] restrict unsubscribe? Message-ID: <001401c2bc06$8aecde00$0b7a799f@chris> Is there a way to prevent users from unsubscribing without list administrator approval? Christopher Adams chris.a.adams at state.or.us From bryanf at samurai.com Tue Jan 14 21:49:56 2003 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:49:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Create mailing list on the web error In-Reply-To: <3E233E77.88303068@isu.edu> Message-ID: On Monday, January 13, 2003, at 05:32 PM, Kory Wheatley wrote: > I received the below error when I tried to create a mailing list from > the Mailman web interface page. It did add the list into the alias > file, > but it > failed to run "postalias" probably because of permission issue's I'm > guessing. > > I have my alias file in /var/mailman/mailman/data/aliases > and the permissions are rw-rw---- mailman mailman aliases. Unfortunately, for some reason bin/check_perms doesn't check permissions on the aliases* files in the data directory - this should be fixed (I'll look at a patch in a bit). I suspect that the problem is similar to one I had - your aliases.db file is probably not group writable (or isn't owned by the mailman group). Because all the web scripts run setgid as the mailman group, all files accessed by the web need to be group writable as that group. Here are the permissions on mine (which I just tested): -rw-rw---- 1 root mailman 33256 Jan 14 15:44 aliases -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 57344 Jan 14 15:44 aliases.db Thanks, Bryan From cwieland at uci.edu Tue Jan 14 21:52:53 2003 From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:52:53 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscriber names Message-ID: <26E5440F-2802-11D7-A1A9-000393012174@uci.edu> Hello I am looking at Mailman 2.1 and I really like the feature of a real name associated with the email address, however I am unable to figure out how to edit this except after they are subscribed from the "Membership List" page. I have looked everywhere, isn't there a way to add there name at the same time you subscribe them? TIA Con Wieland UC Irvine From greg at gregwestin.com Tue Jan 14 22:21:34 2003 From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:21:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscriber names In-Reply-To: <26E5440F-2802-11D7-A1A9-000393012174@uci.edu> Message-ID: This should be in the FAQ, but basically any generally-accepted format should work. For example: "User 1" John Doe Williams, Sam Just make sure there's only one per line. To quote a message from me, quoting a message from Barry, found by searching the archives: --- To quote a message from Barry, found by searching the archives of this list, --- Actually, any format recognized by email.Utils.parseaddr() is acceptable: http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-email.Utils.html so Anne Person "Brian D. Ude" --- --- I hope that helps, Greg --- greg at gregwestin.com http://www.gregwestin.com/ Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Con Wieland wrote: > Hello > > I am looking at Mailman 2.1 and I really like the feature of a real name > associated with the email address, however I am unable to figure out how > to edit this except after they are subscribed from the "Membership List" > page. I have looked everywhere, isn't there a way to add there name at > the same time you subscribe them? > > TIA > Con Wieland > UC Irvine > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: greg at gregwestin.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/greg%40gregwestin.com > From Mark at Rauterkus.com Tue Jan 14 22:22:18 2003 From: Mark at Rauterkus.com (Mark Rauterkus) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:22:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] best practices for pipermail archives -- look and feel touch ups Message-ID: <200301142124.h0ELOkEo007534@rauterkus.com> Hi All, What are the best ways to slightly jazz up the web display of the archives? I'd love to have the archives look slightly like my site with footer, a logo, a link back to the home page and /mailman/listinfo, etc. Do some of your put in server side includes? Ta. Mark Rauterkus mark at Rauterkus.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 14 22:30:38 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 14 Jan 2003 16:30:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic publishing from mailing list withoutapprobation In-Reply-To: <3E23E1D8.569BE3BF@eos-gd.ch> References: <3E22C65D.EC40EBD8@eos-gd.ch> <3E23E1D8.569BE3BF@eos-gd.ch> Message-ID: <1042579842.3311.1.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> No. The Language barrier must have interfered. The option you want to use is: "Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to or cc destination names for this list." Putting the other lists email address in here should get rid of the "implicit" error that you are getting. HtH - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 05:09, Jean Berthold wrote: > Hello Jon, > > Thank you for your response but I have already tried this option, and it doesn't > work. > The actual configuration is as follow: > > Menu: > ------- > Privacy options-->Sender filters-->Non-member filters > List of non-member addresses whose postings should be > automatically accepted. > (Details for accept_these_nonmembers) > > with the following values : > softsme at eos-gd.ch > dispatching at etrans.ch > eos-etrans-dispatching at eos-gd.ch > EOS-ETRANS-DISPATCHING at eos-gd.ch > ilya.nicoloff at eos-gd.ch > > > We always to approve the subscription: > > As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the > following mailing list posting: > > List: Etrans at atlanta.eos.elro > From: ilya.nicoloff at eos-gd.ch > Subject: test 13 > Reason: Message has implicit destination > > At your convenience, visit: > > http://atlanta.eos.elro/mailman/admindb/etrans > > to approve or deny the request. > > Thanks again and have a nice day > > Jean > > > Jon Carnes a ?crit : > > > Under Privacy Options in the web-admin you can add the address of the > > first list (the non-Mailman list) as an acceptable name for submission > > to the Mailman list. > > > > On Mon, 2003-01-13 at 08:59, Jean Berthold wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I have the following problem: > > > > > > I would like to publish emails FROM a mailing list (non-mailman) INTO a > > > mailman mailing list, at each message, I need to > > > approve the message from admin web page: > > > > > > As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the > > > following mailing list posting: > > > > > > List: Etrans at atlanta.eos.elro > > > From: eos-etrans-dispatching at eos-gd.ch > > > Subject: test 7 > > > Reason: Message has implicit destination > > > > > > ... > > > ... > > > to approve or deny the request. > > > > > > How-to set up mailman to approve message whitout human intervention ? > > > > > > Thanks for your help > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > Jean Berthold > > > EOS - energie ouest suisse > > > Chemin de Mornex 10 , CP 570 > > > CH-1001 Lausanne , Switzerland > > > Tel. : +41 (0)21 341 24 58 > > > Fax : +41 (0)21 341 20 49 > > > E-Mail : jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Unix is like a wigwam - no windows, no > > > gates, apache inside... > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > -- > ________________________________ > > Jean Berthold > EOS - energie ouest suisse > Chemin de Mornex 10 , CP 570 > CH-1001 Lausanne , Switzerland > Tel. : +41 (0)21 341 24 58 > Fax : +41 (0)21 341 20 49 > E-Mail : jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch > ________________________________ > > > > ...Unix is like a wigwam - no windows, no gates, apache > inside... > From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 14 22:34:28 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 14 Jan 2003 16:34:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No route to host In-Reply-To: <3E2429A1.2070801@yahoo.com> References: <20030111022630.DE48264F11@camomile.cloud9.net> <3E2429A1.2070801@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1042580072.3315.5.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> First thing I would check is the /etc/hosts file and make sure that "localhost" was defined as 127.0.0.1 in that file. Then I would try to telnet to localhost on port 25 again. If it's not resolving "localhost" properly then check on your /etc/nsswitch file and see what resolve is set to "files" should be the first entry. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 10:15, Lou Fox wrote: > Does anyone have an idea of how I can fix the missing route to host? > > >I'm using: > >redhat 8 > >mailman-2.0.13-3 > >postfix-1.1.11-5 > > > >I've made the following changes to postfix's main.cf file: > >myhostname = foulox.com > >mydestination = $myhostname, 127.0.0.1, $mydomain > >mydomain = foulox.com > >myorigin = $myhostname > >inet_interfaces = all > >mynetworks_style = host > >relay_domains = $mydestination > >local_recipient_maps = $alias_maps unix:passwd.byname > >alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases > >alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases > >ail_spool_directory = /var/spool/mail > >mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail > > > >I've made the following changes to my mm_cfg.py file: > >DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'foulox.com' > > > >I've created a new list, and copied the information into > >/etc/postfix/aliases file, ran newaliases, then pressed enter so it > >continue owner verification. > > > >I never receive an email. My mail log doesn't even show an attempt being > >made to send an email. The smtp file shows the following error repeated > >over and over again: > > > >All recipients refused: (113, 'No route to host') > > > >Now I poked around a bit, and I found this. If I attempt to telnet to > >localhost 25, it actually tries to go to localhost.com, and is > >unsuccessful. If I try to go to foulox.com 25, I have no problem. Is > >this the problem? If so how can I correct it. And if not, do you have > >any suggestions? > > > >Thanks in advance for any suggestions you might offer! > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ > >Mailman-Users mailing list > >Mailman-Users at python.org > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > >This message was sent to: loufox at cloud9.net > >Unsubscribe or change your options at > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/loufox%40cloud9.net > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jaearick at colby.edu Tue Jan 14 22:44:10 2003 From: jaearick at colby.edu (Jeff A. Earickson) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:44:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1: two nasty problems Message-ID: Hi, I upgraded from 2.0.13 to 2.1 and I have two nasty problems: * non-subscribers can post to lists * subscribers can reply to a moderated-only list and have their email go to the list The latter has caused an email storm on a moderated list, forcing the emergency moderation button. I've stared at the config files and don't know why either would happen. Help!!! ----------------------------------- Jeff A. Earickson, Ph.D Senior UNIX Sysadmin and Email Guru Information Technology Services Colby College, 4214 Mayflower Hill, Waterville ME, 04901-8842 phone: 207-872-3659 (fax = 3076) ----------------------------------- From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 14 22:46:06 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 14 Jan 2003 16:46:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] best practices for pipermail archives -- look and feel touch ups In-Reply-To: <200301142124.h0ELOkEo007534@rauterkus.com> References: <200301142124.h0ELOkEo007534@rauterkus.com> Message-ID: <1042580769.3311.11.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> I don't think it's a "best practices" but I modify the source to simply add any html/text found in a file called arc_footer. Small hack. Works fine. Best of Luck to you - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 16:22, Mark Rauterkus wrote: > Hi All, > > What are the best ways to slightly jazz up the web display of the archives? > > I'd love to have the archives look slightly like my site with footer, a > logo, a link back to the home page and /mailman/listinfo, etc. > > Do some of your put in server side includes? > > > Ta. > > Mark Rauterkus > mark at Rauterkus.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From rhorer at swbell.net Tue Jan 14 23:07:40 2003 From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:07:40 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] restrict unsubscribe? In-Reply-To: <001401c2bc06$8aecde00$0b7a799f@chris> References: <001401c2bc06$8aecde00$0b7a799f@chris> Message-ID: <200301141607.40568.rhorer@swbell.net> On Tuesday 14 January 2003 13:53, Christopher Adams wrote: > Is there a way to prevent users from unsubscribing without list > administrator approval? With v2.1, yes. Kyle -- It is better to know nothing than to have learned nothing. -fortune cookie proverb From bryanf at samurai.com Tue Jan 14 23:53:23 2003 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:53:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1: two nasty problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 04:44 PM, Jeff A. Earickson wrote: > I upgraded from 2.0.13 to 2.1 and I have two nasty problems: > > * non-subscribers can post to lists > * subscribers can reply to a moderated-only list and have > their email go to the list > > The latter has caused an email storm on a moderated list, > forcing the emergency moderation button. I've stared at > the config files and don't know why either would happen. > Help!!! The first section of the UPGRADING file reads: A NOTE ABOUT MODERATION When you upgrade from Mailman 2.0.x to Mailman 2.1, you should double check that your moderation and privacy options are still set the way you want them. The Mailman options dealing with moderation and privacy have changed significantly, to make them easier to understand and control. Ever effort was taken to translate the old configuration variables to the new configuration variables, but because the old semantics were so complex, it is possible your settings may not have been correctly translated. Check especially the values for (in Privacy -> Sender Filters) default_member_moderation, generic_nonmember_action, and accept_these_nonmembers. Check also the moderation flag on member accounts in the Membership Management screen. I suspect to resolve your latter problem you need to go to the Membership Management screen, find the part at the bottom that reads "Set everyone's moderation bit, including those members not currently visible", click "On", and click "Set". Bryan From fthommen at inf.ethz.ch Wed Jan 15 01:47:39 2003 From: fthommen at inf.ethz.ch (Frank Thommen) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 01:47:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot install Mailman 2.1: bin/update fails (Solaris 9, Python 2.2.2) Message-ID: <1042591659.3e24afab4946c@www_mail.inf.ethz.ch> Hi, I don't succeed in installing Mailman 2.1. 'make install' fails with the following messages: # make install [...] Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman//Mailman/versions.py ... bin/update: downgrade is detected), nothing will be done.^J^J -h/--help^J Print this text and exit.^J^JUse this script to help you update to the latest release of Mailman from^Jsome previous version. It knows about versions back to 1.0b4 (?).^J""": not found bin/update: Perform all necessary upgrades.^J^JUsage: %(PROGRAM)s [options]^J^JOptions:^J -f/--force^J Force running the upgrade procedures. Normally, if the version number^J of the installed Mailman matches the current version number (or a^J : not found bin/update: import: not found bin/update: import: not found bin/update: import: not found bin/update: import: not found bin/update: import: not found bin/update: import: not found bin/update: import: not found bin/update: import: not found bin/update: import: not found bin/update: from: not found bin/update: from: not found bin/update: from: not found bin/update: from: not found bin/update: from: not found bin/update: from: not found bin/update: from: not found bin/update: from: not found bin/update: FRESH: not found bin/update: NOTFRESH: not found bin/update: syntax error at line 58: `(' unexpected make: *** [update] Error 2 # I tried with Mailman 2.1 tarballs from list.org and from sourceforge. For 'make' I used solaris make and gnu make (3.80). Python is a freshly installed Python 2.2.2. Compiler is gcc 2.95.3. There is no Mailman installed on the system yet. It seems to me, that there might be a Python syntax error in bin/update, but since I don't know Python, I'm not sure about it. Any hints, where the problem could come from or where I could start to look for a solution? Thanks in advance Frank Thommen ** Problems, questions, feedback? Mail to support at inf.ethz.ch ** ---------- Frank Thommen, IT Support Group, D-INFK, ETH Zuerich Mail: fthommen at inf.ethz.ch; Phone: +41-1-63 27208 (Mon-Thu) Web: http://www.isg.inf.ethz.ch/ ---------- From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 15 02:14:57 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 14 Jan 2003 20:14:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No route to host In-Reply-To: <3E248B34.9010004@yahoo.com> References: <20030111022630.DE48264F11@camomile.cloud9.net> <1042580072.3315.5.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <3E248B34.9010004@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1042593302.3315.23.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> You can modify that a couple of ways, the easiest is to modify the setting in the General Options in the web-admin: "Host name this list prefers for email". If that doesn't set things to right, then look in your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file and muck with the virtual host stuff. That should get it done easily. Good Luck, again - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 17:12, Lou Fox wrote: > That was the exact problem. Thanks! > > Now I have one other problem. Everything is working fine except that it > is putting some-mailing-list-name at www.foulox.com, instead of > some-mailing-list-name at foulox.com. Where is this set? > > Jon Carnes wrote: > > >First thing I would check is the /etc/hosts file and make sure that > >"localhost" was defined as 127.0.0.1 in that file. > > > >Then I would try to telnet to localhost on port 25 again. > > > >If it's not resolving "localhost" properly then check on your > >/etc/nsswitch file and see what resolve is set to "files" should be the > >first entry. > > > >Good Luck - Jon Carnes > > > >On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 10:15, Lou Fox wrote: > > > > > >>Does anyone have an idea of how I can fix the missing route to host? > >> > >> > >> > >>>I'm using: > >>>redhat 8 > >>>mailman-2.0.13-3 > >>>postfix-1.1.11-5 > >>> > >>>I've made the following changes to postfix's main.cf file: > >>>myhostname = foulox.com > >>>mydestination = $myhostname, 127.0.0.1, $mydomain > >>>mydomain = foulox.com > >>>myorigin = $myhostname > >>>inet_interfaces = all > >>>mynetworks_style = host > >>>relay_domains = $mydestination > >>>local_recipient_maps = $alias_maps unix:passwd.byname > >>>alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases > >>>alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases > >>>ail_spool_directory = /var/spool/mail > >>>mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail > >>> > >>>I've made the following changes to my mm_cfg.py file: > >>>DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'foulox.com' > >>> > >>>I've created a new list, and copied the information into > >>>/etc/postfix/aliases file, ran newaliases, then pressed enter so it > >>>continue owner verification. > >>> > >>>I never receive an email. My mail log doesn't even show an attempt being > >>>made to send an email. The smtp file shows the following error repeated > >>>over and over again: > >>> > >>>All recipients refused: (113, 'No route to host') > >>> > >>>Now I poked around a bit, and I found this. If I attempt to telnet to > >>>localhost 25, it actually tries to go to localhost.com, and is > >>>unsuccessful. If I try to go to foulox.com 25, I have no problem. Is > >>>this the problem? If so how can I correct it. And if not, do you have > >>>any suggestions? > >>> > >>>Thanks in advance for any suggestions you might offer! > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>------------------------------------------------------ > >>>Mailman-Users mailing list > >>>Mailman-Users at python.org > >>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > >>>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > >>>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >>> > >>>This message was sent to: loufox at cloud9.net > >>>Unsubscribe or change your options at > >>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/loufox%40cloud9.net > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------ > >>Mailman-Users mailing list > >>Mailman-Users at python.org > >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > >>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > >>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >> > >>This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > >>Unsubscribe or change your options at > >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > >> > >> > > > > > > > > From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Wed Jan 15 04:52:39 2003 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:52:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ok.. got everything working.. Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030114225234.02f3ce78@mail.wingfoot.org> At 07:27 PM 1/12/2003 +0000, Richard Barrett wrote: > VIRTUAL_HOSTS > MAILMAN_SITE_LIST > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST Arrgh. The problem was I was missing: add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) in mm_cfg.py. Now it's muuuuch better :) Thanks again, Richard!!!! :))) B*B G. --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear "Religion is for those who do what they are told regardless of what is right. Spirituality is for those who do what is right regardless of what they are told." -- unattributed From jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org Wed Jan 15 04:15:40 2003 From: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org (Jim Hale) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 21:15:40 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives in HTML? Message-ID: <013501c2bc44$61abeb10$fa010a0a@HALE.local> I started a mailing list for 'Blinkies' and 99% of the messages that come thru are in HTML. They come thru my list just fine, but the archives are majorly ugly. Is there a way to have the HTML messages display in HTML in the archives? Using 2.1 Release. :) Thanks! Jim Hale --- 'The OS Tells The PC What To Do With Itself" - Me, 1990 --- Visit Our MIDI & Digital Audio Website at http://hale.dyndns.org From david at midrange.com Wed Jan 15 05:20:24 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:20:24 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: contents of qfiles/bad ? References: Message-ID: "John W Baxter" wrote in message news:p05200f04ba4807d632c4@[192.168.1.50]... > If you become root using su - and then su - mailman, what happens? > Output of > whoami > pwd > ls -lad ~ /usr/local/home/david $su - Password: [root at linux root]# su - mailman /usr/local/home/mailman $whoami mailman /usr/local/home/mailman $pwd /usr/local/home/mailman /usr/local/home/mailman $ls -lad ~ drwxr-xr-x 7 mailman users 4096 Jan 12 15:22 /usr/local/home/mailman > It looks as if the moral equivalent of that su sequence is failing, leaving > the process running as mailman but with /root as the current working > directory OR as the directory referred to as ~. Since mailman can't write > files into /root (on any sane system), bad things happen. I ended up switching the html converter to links ... which seems to be working well. No clue why lynks doesn't work. david From ghassan at najjars.com Wed Jan 15 07:08:35 2003 From: ghassan at najjars.com (ghassan at najjars.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:08:35 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] usable attributes in the footer Message-ID: <78550D8383DCFF4895A4E96A3FC524D4042B40@central2k.najjars.com> Hi All, I would like to get a list of all the usable attributes that can added to a footer of a post. We specifically need to add the following footer: "You are subscribed to the {LISTNAME} list as: {SUBSCRIBER EMAIL ADDRESS} To unsubscribe from this list, click on the following link: {THE URL FOR UNSUBSCRIPTION WEBPAGE WITH SUBSCRIBERS EMAIL ADDRESS} To subscribe to this list, click on the following list: {URL FOR SUBSCRIPTION PAGE}" thanks Ghassan From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 15 17:16:01 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 15 Jan 2003 11:16:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives in HTML? In-Reply-To: <013501c2bc44$61abeb10$fa010a0a@HALE.local> References: <013501c2bc44$61abeb10$fa010a0a@HALE.local> Message-ID: <1042647365.2471.28.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Use something like Mhonarc as your archive application. Pipermail doesn't do a good job with html. Another alternative is to write a small script that converts the html into text inside the mbox that the archive program uses (lynx will help you do this). Then you can delete the old archives and re-archive using the ~mailman/bin/arch command. I'm still playing with version 2.1 of Mailman so I don't know if it has this functionality built into it. Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 22:15, Jim Hale wrote: > I started a mailing list for 'Blinkies' and 99% of the messages that > come thru are in HTML. They come thru my list just fine, but the > archives are majorly ugly. Is there a way to have the HTML messages > display in HTML in the archives? > > Using 2.1 Release. :) > > Thanks! > > Jim Hale > --- > 'The OS Tells The PC What To Do With Itself" - Me, 1990 > --- > Visit Our MIDI & Digital Audio Website at http://hale.dyndns.org > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From scott.armstrong at nvl.army.mil Wed Jan 15 18:47:01 2003 From: scott.armstrong at nvl.army.mil (Armstrong, Scott Mr CECOM RDEC NVESD) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:47:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Archives in HTML? (Jim Hale) Message-ID: You could also use hypermail to do this. In our implementation of Mailman, we only use pipermail as a backup to hypermail. We maintain a subscribed user in each list which runs a hypermail pipe to keep the archives up to date. The pipermail mbox becomes a backup in case the html archives are damaged and also allows the list owner to edit them using a standard mail program such as Pine. Scott > I started a mailing list for 'Blinkies' and 99% of the messages that > come thru are in HTML. They come thru my list just fine, but the > archives are majorly ugly. Is there a way to have the HTML messages > display in HTML in the archives? > > Using 2.1 Release. :) > > Thanks! > > Jim Hale > --- > 'The OS Tells The PC What To Do With Itself" - Me, 1990 > --- > Visit Our MIDI & Digital Audio Website at http://hale.dyndns.org From david at midrange.com Wed Jan 15 18:58:32 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:58:32 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with content filtering ... Message-ID: Folks: I'm trying to get content filtering working, but have run into a jam ... I've got a subscriber that is using some weird email program called "Incredimail" (or something like that). His posts seem to come through as html only. I've got content filtering activated, and the following values set: filter_content = yes filter_mime_types="" (blank) pass_mime_types="multipart/mixed multipart/alternative multipart/related text/plain text/html application/pdf" convert_html_to_plaintext=yes However, when this person posts, his message comes through as an attachment ... I looked in my mail spool file and found the message has the following in the body ... > --===============21910272910031159== > Content-Type: Multipart/related; > type="multipart/alternative"; > boundary="------------Boundary-00=_95ORQL80000000000000" > > > --------------Boundary-00=_95ORQL80000000000000 > Content-Type: Text/Plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I am curious if this can travel as fixed-font. The spacing really goes > wacky in posted code. =0D > =0D I'm using 'links' for html to text conversion. Any suggestions? Thanks! david From tmaddox at thereinc.com Wed Jan 15 19:02:28 2003 From: tmaddox at thereinc.com (Tom Maddox) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:02:28 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Genaliases script Message-ID: Hi, everyone, I just recently tried to upgrade to Mailman 2.1, but I must have been doing something wrong with genaliases. Genaliases spits out plaintext output about the changes that need to be made, but it doesn't actually make them or regenerate the aliases.db file. Sorry if this is a ridiculous question that reveals my ignorance, but what else needs to be done to get the aliases to work? Do I need to post-process the genaliases output with another script? Thanks, Tom Tom Maddox, BOFH, SCSA, MCSE (it hurts!) There, Inc. From greg at gregwestin.com Wed Jan 15 19:08:20 2003 From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:08:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives in HTML? In-Reply-To: <1042647365.2471.28.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: Is it possible to set up Mhonarc without re-archiving everything, and then try re-archiving using Mhonarc, but have things such that if I can't get Mhonarc working I can easily re-archive with Pipermail? The FAQ still says "A HOWTO for this was posted to the mailman-developers list and should be copied in here once someone finds it." Basically, my setup is such that I don't particularly care if the archives have to be down for a few hours or even days, but changing to Mhonarc isn't so important that I want to try it if things might go wrong and leave me with NO archives - especially seeing as I don't really know anything about Mhonarc, except that everyone seems to thinks it's better than Pipermail. Thanks, Greg --- greg at gregwestin.com http://www.gregwestin.com/ Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php On 15 Jan 2003, Jon Carnes wrote: > Use something like Mhonarc as your archive application. Pipermail > doesn't do a good job with html. > > Another alternative is to write a small script that converts the html > into text inside the mbox that the archive program uses (lynx will help > you do this). Then you can delete the old archives and re-archive using > the ~mailman/bin/arch command. > > I'm still playing with version 2.1 of Mailman so I don't know if it has > this functionality built into it. > > Jon Carnes > > On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 22:15, Jim Hale wrote: > > I started a mailing list for 'Blinkies' and 99% of the messages that > > come thru are in HTML. They come thru my list just fine, but the > > archives are majorly ugly. Is there a way to have the HTML messages > > display in HTML in the archives? > > > > Using 2.1 Release. :) > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jim Hale > > --- > > 'The OS Tells The PC What To Do With Itself" - Me, 1990 > > --- > > Visit Our MIDI & Digital Audio Website at http://hale.dyndns.org > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: greg at gregwestin.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/greg%40gregwestin.com > From david at midrange.com Wed Jan 15 19:05:28 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:05:28 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Genaliases script References: Message-ID: "Tom Maddox" wrote in message news:ALEEIFGHNDFECPGCCOMDGEJFCAAA.tmaddox at thereinc.com... > I just recently tried to upgrade to Mailman 2.1, but I must have been doing > something wrong with genaliases. Genaliases spits out plaintext output > about the changes that need to be made, but it doesn't actually make them or > regenerate the aliases.db file. Sorry if this is a ridiculous question that > reveals my ignorance, but what else needs to be done to get the aliases to > work? Do I need to post-process the genaliases output with another script? What MTA are you using? Sendmail? If so, then you have to make the changes manually ... I think if you use postfix the changes are made automatically. david From chasm at texas.net Wed Jan 15 19:11:13 2003 From: chasm at texas.net (schuetzen - RKBA!) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:11:13 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Archives in HTML? (Jim Hale) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:47:01 -0500, "Armstrong, Scott Mr CECOM RDEC NVESD" wrote: >. We maintain a subscribed >user in each list which runs a hypermail pipe to keep the archives up to >date is this a basic feature or have I missed a tip and how does it work? thanks chas ... From aoa72 at netscape.net Tue Jan 14 09:31:12 2003 From: aoa72 at netscape.net (Ahmad Osman Ahmad) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:31:12 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] General posting filters Message-ID: <3E23CAD0.9060508@netscape.net> hi, currently i'm using mailman 2.0.12 i would like to get help in doing a restriction to the list as below : 1) only members & selected email @ (eg. @yahoo.com & @netscape.net) can sent email to the list 2) others email address will be held for approval which part or setting should i change/modify ? thanks. From dana at dh-llc.us Tue Jan 14 21:16:17 2003 From: dana at dh-llc.us (dana hoffman) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 13:16:17 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I block attachments Message-ID: <013501c2bc09$cbcc3300$1a866441@dhserver> Hello, I am owner of a list serv using your software and I want to bock so no member may post an attachment without owner permission, how do I do that? dana Hoffman International Investigations LLC Dana Hoffman LLC Denver, CO GMT -7 voice 800 813-8884 fax 800 814-7388 dana at dh-llc.us www.dh-llc.us Quality Isn't Expensive ...............It's Priceless From John_Minkle at huntalternatives.org Tue Jan 14 22:07:38 2003 From: John_Minkle at huntalternatives.org (John_Minkle at huntalternatives.org) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:07:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to remove references to the web interface on emails? Message-ID: I am running Mailman behind a firewall. It works GREAT!. Is there a way to remove references to the web interface on emails so I am not pointing people to a machine they can not get to? We would like to use the web interface internally and for now that is the only option. -John From dduane at rium.duane.com Tue Jan 14 22:06:11 2003 From: dduane at rium.duane.com (Darrell Duane) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:06:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscriber names In-Reply-To: <26E5440F-2802-11D7-A1A9-000393012174@uci.edu> from "Con Wieland" at Jan 14, 2003 12:52:53 PM Message-ID: <200301142106.h0EL6BrH013289@rium.duane.com> Con, Its not documented, but there is a way to add the name.. Just put the name in Parenthesis after the email address in the subscription window. I.e. dduane at duane.com (Darrell Duane) Now, my question is, how can we get the real names to show up in the subscriber list that shows up from the listinfo page...i.e. when you go to http://www.yourdomain.com/mailman/roster/yourlistname I only see the e-mail addresses of the members of the lists, not the names associated with them. Can the names be displayed as well? Thanks, Darrell > >Hello > >I am looking at Mailman 2.1 and I really like the feature of a real name >associated with the email address, however I am unable to figure out how >to edit this except after they are subscribed from the "Membership List" >page. I have looked everywhere, isn't there a way to add there name at >the same time you subscribe them? > >TIA >Con Wieland >UC Irvine > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: dduane at duane.com >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/dduane%40duane.com > From ges at wingfoot.org Wed Jan 15 04:51:37 2003 From: ges at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:51:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ok.. got everything working.. In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030112192317.03a759b0@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030112132113.00bb29f8@mail.wingfoot.org> <5.1.1.6.0.20030112123617.039976e0@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.2.0.9.0.20030111175840.0453c008@mail.wingfoot.org> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030114225042.0485d080@mail.wingfoot.org> At 07:27 PM 1/12/2003 +0000, Richard Barrett wrote: > VIRTUAL_HOSTS > MAILMAN_SITE_LIST > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST Arrgh. The problem was I was missing: add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) in mm_cfg.py. Now it's muuuuch better :) Thanks again, Richard!!!! :))) B*B G. --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear "Religion is for those who do what they are told regardless of what is right. Spirituality is for those who do what is right regardless of what they are told." -- unattributed From John_Minkle at huntalternatives.org Wed Jan 15 16:23:36 2003 From: John_Minkle at huntalternatives.org (John_Minkle at huntalternatives.org) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:23:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] trying to disable web interface... Message-ID: I was in the process of removing references to the web interface from mailman/scripts and mailman/Mailman Suddenly I ended up with this message being sent every minute Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 83, in ? from Mailman import mm_cfg File "/var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 68 DEFAULT_MSG_FOOTER = """_______________________________________________ ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax So, trying to be smart I removed the line. Now I get this: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 84, in ? from Mailman import Utils File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 45, in ? from Mailman import Crypt File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Crypt.py", line 19, in ? if mm_cfg.USE_CRYPT: AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'USE_CRYPT' Any help would be apreciated. -John From greg at gregwestin.com Wed Jan 15 19:20:36 2003 From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:20:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Archives in HTML? (Jim Hale) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think this is what you're looking for: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#4.4 You want the second option, on adding an archiving address to each list. I hope that helps, Greg --- greg at gregwestin.com http://www.gregwestin.com/ Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, schuetzen - RKBA! wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:47:01 -0500, "Armstrong, Scott Mr CECOM RDEC NVESD" > wrote: > > >. We maintain a subscribed > >user in each list which runs a hypermail pipe to keep the archives up to > >date > > is this a basic feature or have I missed a tip and how does it work? > thanks > chas > > > > ... > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: greg at gregwestin.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/greg%40gregwestin.com > From tmaddox at thereinc.com Wed Jan 15 19:29:00 2003 From: tmaddox at thereinc.com (Tom Maddox) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:29:00 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Genaliases script In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > What MTA are you using? Sendmail? > > If so, then you have to make the changes manually ... I think if you use > postfix the changes are made automatically. > > david I am indeed using sendmail. I guess I'll have to write a script to process the output from genaliases, then. From chd at chud.net Wed Jan 15 19:54:56 2003 From: chd at chud.net (Chris De Young) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:54:56 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authentication question (newbie?) Message-ID: <20030115185456.GA6586@dionysus.chud.net> Hello, I apologize in advance if this is a dumb question, though I didn't find anything about it in the archives or FAQ... I've recently upgraded to mailman 2.1 on a redhat 8.0 system, and since the upgrade list administrators are seeing a problem where they go to the administration web page (the password is accepted), make changes, and then upon clicking "submit changes" they are immediately kicked back out to the authentication page and re-prompted for the password. After entering it they get back to the administrative page successfully, but none of their changes have been made. I have ensured that the browser is configured to accept all cookies. (The version I'm using which does have this problem is netscape communicator 4.79/Solaris, BTW). I believe python is version 2.2; it's what comes out of the box for redhat 8.0. Help? Where to look? Thanks much! -Chris -- Chris De Young chd at chud.net From jaearick at colby.edu Wed Jan 15 19:59:33 2003 From: jaearick at colby.edu (Jeff A. Earickson) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:59:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1: how to set up moderated lists Message-ID: Y'all, After much head-banging, I have *finally* figured out how to configure Mailman 2.1 to do a newsletter-only style list. I have updated FAQ 3.11 to reflect my findings. My initial assumptions are: * postings to the list by nonmembers should be rejected. * postings to the list by subscribers should also be rejected, politely. * The moderator should be able to send email to the list and just have it go out the door, without having to screw with "tend administrative requests" on the admin webpage. The easiest way to configure a list to do this is to dump out the configuration settings via "config_list", edit the file, and reload the file into Mailman. Here are the steps, assuming "foobar" is the list name and "joeblow at big.com" is the moderator: config_list -o foobar foobar Edit the file "foobar" and change the following options: default_member_moderation = 1 member_moderation_action = 1 generic_moderation_action = 2 moderator = ['joeblow at big.com'] member_moderation_notice = 'Sorry, subscribers cannot post to this list.' In member_moderation_notice, put in whatever polite note that you deem appropriate for rejecting a subscriber's attempted post. The default message is rude and should be changed. Now reload your changes from the file: config_list -i foobar foobar One final step is needed so that the moderator can post to the list without doing "tend administrative requests". Go to the admin webpage for the list and UNCHECK the "mod" button for the moderator ONLY. All subscribers to the list should have the "mod" button turned ON, except for the moderator. This assumes that the moderator is also subscribed to the list. ----------------------------------- Jeff A. Earickson, Ph.D Senior UNIX Sysadmin and Email Guru Information Technology Services Colby College, 4214 Mayflower Hill, Waterville ME, 04901-8842 phone: 207-872-3659 (fax = 3076) ----------------------------------- From jaearick at colby.edu Wed Jan 15 20:12:18 2003 From: jaearick at colby.edu (Jeff A. Earickson) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:12:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] misfeature/bug in MM 2.1 Message-ID: Y'all, In my study of my mailing lists today (both new in MM 2.1, and upgraded from 2.0.13), I made the sad discovery that generic_nonmember_action = 0 for **all** of my lists. The "bend over and take spam" setting. I noticed that DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION is set to one in Mailman/Defaults.py, but I don't think this setting works properly. If it did work properly, I would argue that the default should be 2 (reject), not 1 (hold for administrator). Why should the list administrator be bothered with having to tend admin requests from spammers and other idiots? ----------------------------------- Jeff A. Earickson, Ph.D Senior UNIX Sysadmin and Email Guru Information Technology Services Colby College, 4214 Mayflower Hill, Waterville ME, 04901-8842 phone: 207-872-3659 (fax = 3076) ----------------------------------- From rpyne at kinfolk.org Wed Jan 15 20:43:54 2003 From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard Pyne) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:43:54 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_URL_HOST problem Message-ID: <200301151243.54328.rpyne@kinfolk.org> I am tyring to install and configure mailman 2.1 on a machine and am running into a problem. It appears that the only value it will accept for the DEFAULT_URL_HOST is the generic one listed the ISPs reverse DNS. If I try to configure the DEFAULT_URL_HOST as one of the virtual names for the machine, I get an error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/newlist", line 74, in ? from Mailman import mm_cfg File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 45, in ? DEFAULT_URL_HOST=lists.kinfolk.org NameError: name 'lists' is not defined I have these three lines added to my mm_cfg.py file: DEFAULT_URL_HOST=lists.kinfolk.org DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST=mail2.kinfolk.org add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) I have been running Mailman-2.0 on another machine with a similar configuration for some time without any problems. Did I miss something in the documentaion?? --Richard -- Richard B. Pyne rpyne at kinfolk.org From greg at gregwestin.com Wed Jan 15 21:09:07 2003 From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 15:09:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] misfeature/bug in MM 2.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Why should the list administrator be bothered with having to > tend admin requests from spammers and other idiots? Jeff, I assume this is because people are generally more concerned about false positives in spam-checking than they are with having to glance at a few admin requests. I suppose most people would probably be content with rejecting or even discarding the messages, so long as a copy is forwarded to the moderator to make sure it wasn't a valid post, but I know that for most of my lists, I would prefer generic_nonmember_action to by Hold. I assume that administrators of sites that have much higher volumes of spam and whatnot would prefer your suggestion, but I think that administrators of small sites don't have to deal with spam as much. At any rate, I don't know if the default is great or not, but I support it. I think I might be awfully annoyed if I had just set up Mailman, set up my first list, and my first attempt to send a message to it was automatically rejected, because I'd sent the message from a different e-mail account than I signed up to the list, and because I hadn't read through the many many pages of options for the list. ::shrug:: Just thought I'd toss out my two cents. Greg --- greg at gregwestin.com http://www.gregwestin.com/ Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php From scott.armstrong at nvl.army.mil Wed Jan 15 21:11:31 2003 From: scott.armstrong at nvl.army.mil (Scott Armstrong) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 15:11:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: RE: Archives in HTML? (Jim Hale) References: Message-ID: <080101c2bcd2$4bb592a0$0801a8c0@pcp779733pcs.dalect01.va.comcast.net> Since most of our lists are used as moderated distribution lists and are synchronized via scripts, it wasn't very difficult. You have your standard mailman list aliases - which we partition into their own alias file /etc/mail/aliases.mailman fubar: "|/opt/mailman/mail/wrapper post fubar" fubar-admin: "|/opt/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner fubar" fubar-request: "|/opt/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd fubar" fubar-owner: fubar-admin We have another set of aliases - these are partioned into /etc/mail/aliases.hypermail fubar-archive: "|/opt/bin/hypermail -i -u -d /opt/mailman/archives/private/fubar \ -c /opt/mailman/archives/private/fubar/fubar.rc I've written scripts to create a base hypermail archive from a template using sed (which creates "fubar.rc") at the same time a new list is created. This is probably the most complicated part of hypermail since the config file overrides the command line parameters. Adding this alias is only necessary if you want the archives in synch at all times. You could just regenerate the archives nightly. The built-in mailman command "arch" can be used to recreate a pipermail archive from its mbox - I wrote a similar script for hypermail. I use the site settings of ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 1 PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 0 PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 0 which maintains the internal pipermail "backup" to mbox format. If necessary, you can edit the mbox format with Pine using "pine -f /opt/mailman/fubar.mbox/fubar.mbox" and then regenerate the archives. Scott > is this a basic feature or have I missed a tip and how does it work? > thanks > chas > From stanton at virginia.edu Wed Jan 15 21:51:25 2003 From: stanton at virginia.edu (Stanton Schell) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 15:51:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] aliases in README.QMAIL In-Reply-To: <20030107185658.34903.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1CAC5E92-28CB-11D7-85F2-000393954FBE@virginia.edu> one would indeed need to change the aliases, but the changes I mentioned omit newer ones in 2.1, which are covered in Ed Lau's patch to README.QMAIL: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/ index.php?func=detail&aid=664611&group_id=103&atid=300103 also, his Jan. 7 email: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-January/025077.html S. On Tuesday, Jan 7, 2003, at 13:56 US/Eastern, David Sammons wrote: > > Hi there!!! > > About this question what was the solution????... > > Thanks a lot!!! > > --- "Marco Trevisan | Bazzmann.Com" > escribi: > Stanton Schell wrote: >>> "Illegal_command:_mailowner/". I changed the >> aliases for the list to >>> use the commands "request" and "owner" instead of >> "mailcmd" and >>> "mailowner" and that fixed things. >> >> So you changed this line inside .qmail-list-* : >> >> |preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman mailcmd >> listname >> ^^^^^^^ >> >> with the "request" and "owner" command? I'll try to >> do. >> >> What about normal posting? Does it work properly? >> >> -- >> Bazzmann Labs(c) - Accessibilita', usabilita', >> webdesign e standard W3C >> > ::--------------------------------::---------------------------------:: >> http://www.bazzmann.it | Il sito ufficiale di >> Bazzmann Labs. >> http://www.bazzmann.com | La risorsa per >> informare e aggiornare. >> http://www.dev2dev.it | Elemento D2D002 >> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: >> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> Searchable Archives: >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >> This message was sent to: sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > sammons_david%40yahoo.com.mx > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > La mejor conexin a internet y 25MB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes. > http://net.yahoo.com.mx > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > -- Stanton Schell stanton at virginia.edu h. 434.982.6189 aim. stanton at mac.com 391 Johnson #106 Charlottesville, VA 22904 From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 15 22:11:34 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 15 Jan 2003 16:11:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I block attachments In-Reply-To: <013501c2bc09$cbcc3300$1a866441@dhserver> References: <013501c2bc09$cbcc3300$1a866441@dhserver> Message-ID: <1042665098.2861.0.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Check out the FAQ (a link is at the bottom of this email) On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 15:16, dana hoffman wrote: > Hello, > I am owner of a list serv using your software and I want to bock so no member may post an attachment without owner permission, how do I do that? > dana > > Hoffman International Investigations LLC > Dana Hoffman LLC > Denver, CO GMT -7 > voice 800 813-8884 > fax 800 814-7388 > dana at dh-llc.us > www.dh-llc.us > Quality Isn't Expensive ...............It's Priceless > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 15 22:33:16 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 15 Jan 2003 16:33:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authentication question - cookie problem In-Reply-To: <20030115185456.GA6586@dionysus.chud.net> References: <20030115185456.GA6586@dionysus.chud.net> Message-ID: <1042666405.2865.7.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> I haven't seen this problem myself, but others who have seen it say to delete all the old Cookies (that were generated from Mailman v2.0x). There appears to be a problem with the structure of the old Cookie files. Apparently, the problem goes away if you delete the old files and then let the new Mailman v2.1.x create the cookies from scratch. HtH - Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 13:54, Chris De Young wrote: > Hello, > > I apologize in advance if this is a dumb question, though I didn't > find anything about it in the archives or FAQ... > > I've recently upgraded to mailman 2.1 on a redhat 8.0 system, and > since the upgrade list administrators are seeing a problem where they > go to the administration web page (the password is accepted), make > changes, and then upon clicking "submit changes" they are immediately > kicked back out to the authentication page and re-prompted for the > password. > > After entering it they get back to the administrative page > successfully, but none of their changes have been made. > > I have ensured that the browser is configured to accept all cookies. > (The version I'm using which does have this problem is netscape > communicator 4.79/Solaris, BTW). > > I believe python is version 2.2; it's what comes out of the box for > redhat 8.0. > > Help? Where to look? > > Thanks much! > -Chris > > -- > Chris De Young chd at chud.net > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From apaterra at andrew.cmu.edu Wed Jan 15 22:42:22 2003 From: apaterra at andrew.cmu.edu (Tony Paterra) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 16:42:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MTA interoperability question Message-ID: Hey guys I'm setting up Mailman to be used on a RedHat 7.1 system. Due to my IT dept. if I can use MMDF as the MTA that would be ideal. Has anyone set these up successfully? Please let me know ASAP. Thanks, Tony From nneul at umr.edu Wed Jan 15 23:17:44 2003 From: nneul at umr.edu (Neulinger, Nathan) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 16:17:44 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sub-lists and authorized posting Message-ID: Is there any way to grant permission to post to list Y to [anyone on list X]? This is a pretty common option used on listserv lists. I didn't see anything that would directly allow this, but seems like it wouldn't be too hard to have it be an added feature. Has anyone put together a patch to support this or know of some way to do it that doesn't involve duplicating subscriptions or other hackery like that. -- Nathan ------------------------------------------------------------ Nathan Neulinger EMail: nneul at umr.edu University of Missouri - Rolla Phone: (573) 341-4841 Computing Services Fax: (573) 341-4216 From ethompson at nbr.org Thu Jan 16 01:48:26 2003 From: ethompson at nbr.org (Erick Thompson) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 16:48:26 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman example site Message-ID: <044b01c2bcf8$fa97d140$5301a8c0@NBROFFICE.ORG> Hello, I'm in the process of looking at various email list software. Mailman sounds like it might fit the bill, but I have a few questions. Does the moderation handle multiple languages? How does the moderation system handle attachments? I would really like to see the Mailman interface, to see how the moderation system works, but I don't have a GNU/Linux system running. Does anyone know of a public site where I can play around with Mailman? Thanks, Erick From mailings at good-it.com Thu Jan 16 03:39:18 2003 From: mailings at good-it.com (mailings at good-it.com) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 03:39:18 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailinglists for multiple domains on one server Message-ID: <200301160339.18140.mailings@good-it.com> Hi all, At this moment i am using majordomo and looking into the option to change to Mailman. With majordomo i have mailinglists from multiple domains running on one emailserver. Can this also be done with mailman? -- Kind Regards / Met vriendelijke groet, Johan Barelds From jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org Thu Jan 16 01:19:53 2003 From: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org (Jim Hale) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:19:53 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives in HTML? In-Reply-To: <1042647365.2471.28.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <010f01c2bcf4$fdd1c360$fa010a0a@HALE.local> I went and pulled mhonarc and have it installed but I need to find out how to make Mailman look at it instead of Pipermail - problem is that I'm running all this on an SME server so everything is not in the exact location like in the instructions. I guess you could say that I'm running 'specialized' versions of Mailman/Mhonarc/HTDig that someone packaged up specifically for the SME Server - just hoping maybe someone here has run into the same situation. Thanks! :) Jim Hale --- 'The OS Tells The PC What To Do With Itself" - Me, 1990 --- Visit Our MIDI & Digital Audio Website at http://hale.dyndns.org -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+jim-ml=halemail.dyndns.org at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jim-ml=halemail.dyndns.org at python.org] On Behalf Of Jon Carnes Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:16 AM To: Jim Hale Cc: Mailing List - Mailman Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives in HTML? Use something like Mhonarc as your archive application. Pipermail doesn't do a good job with html. Another alternative is to write a small script that converts the html into text inside the mbox that the archive program uses (lynx will help you do this). Then you can delete the old archives and re-archive using the ~mailman/bin/arch command. I'm still playing with version 2.1 of Mailman so I don't know if it has this functionality built into it. Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 22:15, Jim Hale wrote: > I started a mailing list for 'Blinkies' and 99% of the messages that > come thru are in HTML. They come thru my list just fine, but the > archives are majorly ugly. Is there a way to have the HTML messages > display in HTML in the archives? > > Using 2.1 Release. :) > > Thanks! > > Jim Hale > --- > 'The OS Tells The PC What To Do With Itself" - Me, 1990 > --- > Visit Our MIDI & Digital Audio Website at http://hale.dyndns.org > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jim-ml%40halemail.d yndns.org From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Thu Jan 16 04:28:06 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 22:28:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives in HTML? In-Reply-To: <010f01c2bcf4$fdd1c360$fa010a0a@HALE.local>; from jim-ml@halemail.dyndns.org on Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 06:19:53PM -0600 References: <1042647365.2471.28.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <010f01c2bcf4$fdd1c360$fa010a0a@HALE.local> Message-ID: <20030115222806.A3669@dogpound.vnet.net> * Jim Hale (jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org) wrote: > I went and pulled mhonarc and have it installed but I need to find out > how to make Mailman look at it instead of Pipermail - problem is that > I'm running all this on an SME server so everything is not in the exact > location like in the instructions. First I don't know what SME means (sorry for my ignorance). So I hope this applies to you. There are a few ways to do this. I'd say 2 of the easiest are as follows. See the ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX section in Mailman/Defaults.py and set the setting as you need to in mm_cfg.py. 1. Use the existing mbox file located in archives/private/.mbox/.mbox Then you can point mhonarc to that file and update from that file. The rest is configuring mhonarc and its templates to suite your needs. With this option you would have to regenerate occasionally. I'm sure theres a way to have it generate on the fly, but I don't know enough about mailman or python to do it. 2. Subscribe an archive (ie mhonarc at list.domain) user to all your lists and use his mbox to generate the archvies with. With this option you can have the archives rebuild as mail comes in with procmail filters or whatever you use. > I guess you could say that I'm running 'specialized' versions of > Mailman/Mhonarc/HTDig that someone packaged up specifically for the SME > Server - just hoping maybe someone here has run into the same situation. Not sure what you mean by 'specialized' versions. And I hope this applies to your 'specialized' system. ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Wednesday, January 15, 2003 / 10:17PM | ---------------------------------------------- Drugs may lead to nowhere, but at least it's the scenic route. From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Thu Jan 16 04:33:22 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 22:33:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailinglists for multiple domains on one server In-Reply-To: <200301160339.18140.mailings@good-it.com>; from mailings@good-it.com on Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 03:39:18AM +0100 References: <200301160339.18140.mailings@good-it.com> Message-ID: <20030115223322.B3669@dogpound.vnet.net> * mailings at good-it.com (mailings at good-it.com) wrote: > At this moment i am using majordomo and looking into the option to change to > Mailman. With majordomo i have mailinglists from multiple domains running on > one emailserver. Can this also be done with mailman? Yes. Check http://www.list.org/features.html for more of what it can do. ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Wednesday, January 15, 2003 / 10:31PM | ---------------------------------------------- It said "Insert disk #3", but only two will fit! From aharon at simpletone.com Thu Jan 16 05:02:33 2003 From: aharon at simpletone.com (A.N.Varady) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 23:02:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner troubles after install: "Uncaught runner exception" Message-ID: <3E262ED9.7020800@simpletone.com> Hello, Just upgraded from 2.0.13 for all the new features and have run into a dead end. I installed mailman with the following configure: ./configure --with-cgi-gid=99 --with-mail-gid=mailman --prefix=/home/mailman --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python2.2 and my MTA is postfix. I followed the instructions in the README, INSTALL, and README.POSTFIX files. When I send a test message to my list I see this error: ============================================= Jan 16 00:21:37 2003 (19003) Uncaught runner exception: isinstance() arg 2 must be a class or type Jan 16 00:21:37 2003 (19003) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 75, in _dispose addrs = BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, msg) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 64, in ScanMessages addrs = sys.modules[modname].process(msg) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Qmail.py", line 43, in process for line in email.Iterators.body_line_iterator(msg): File "/home/mailman/pythonlib/email/_compat22.py", line 45, in body_line_iterator if _isstring(payload): File "/home/mailman/pythonlib/email/_compat22.py", line 35, in _isstring return isinstance(obj, StringTypes) TypeError: isinstance() arg 2 must be a class or type Jan 16 00:21:37 2003 (19003) SHUNTING: 1042694439.523573+3d38e422451ac7ef873742b5e2ff258917a2f ============================================= This error was in logs/error: "Jan 15 23:47:21 2003 qrunner(14283): " Any ideas anyone on how I can fix this, or otherwise rollback to 2.0.13? Thanks! aharon From aharon at simpletone.com Thu Jan 16 05:04:09 2003 From: aharon at simpletone.com (A.N.Varady) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 23:04:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner troubles after install: "Uncaught runner exception" Message-ID: <3E262F39.3020302@simpletone.com> Hello, Just upgraded from 2.0.13 for all the new features and have run into a dead end. I installed mailman with the following configure: ./configure --with-cgi-gid=99 --with-mail-gid=mailman --prefix=/home/mailman --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python2.2 and my MTA is postfix. I followed the instructions in the README, INSTALL, and README.POSTFIX files. When I send a test message to my list I see this error: ============================================= Jan 16 00:21:37 2003 (19003) Uncaught runner exception: isinstance() arg 2 must be a class or type Jan 16 00:21:37 2003 (19003) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 75, in _dispose addrs = BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, msg) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 64, in ScanMessages addrs = sys.modules[modname].process(msg) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Qmail.py", line 43, in process for line in email.Iterators.body_line_iterator(msg): File "/home/mailman/pythonlib/email/_compat22.py", line 45, in body_line_iterator if _isstring(payload): File "/home/mailman/pythonlib/email/_compat22.py", line 35, in _isstring return isinstance(obj, StringTypes) TypeError: isinstance() arg 2 must be a class or type Jan 16 00:21:37 2003 (19003) SHUNTING: 1042694439.523573+3d38e422451ac7ef873742b5e2ff258917a2f ============================================= This error was in logs/error: "Jan 15 23:47:21 2003 qrunner(14283): " Any ideas anyone on how I can fix this, or otherwise rollback to 2.0.13? Thanks! aharon From rpyne at kinfolk.org Thu Jan 16 05:07:03 2003 From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard B. Pyne) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 21:07:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailinglists for multiple domains on one server In-Reply-To: <20030115223322.B3669@dogpound.vnet.net> References: <200301160339.18140.mailings@good-it.com>; from mailings@good-it.com on Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 03:39:18AM +0100 Message-ID: <3E25CD77.25523.13DA288@localhost> Yes, except it does not have the ability to set the domain at or before the time of list creation. If you want to do it in a true virtual hosting manner, you need to send the listowner notification email to yourself when you create the list. You can then log in to the admin interface, set the domain, and then edit and forward the listowner notification email. --Richard On 15 Jan 2003 at 22:33, Matthew Davis wrote: * mailings at good-it.com (mailings at good-it.com) wrote: > At this moment i am using majordomo and looking into the option to change to > Mailman. With majordomo i have mailinglists from multiple domains running on > one emailserver. Can this also be done with mailman? Yes. Check http://www.list.org/features.html for more of what it can do. ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Wednesday, January 15, 2003 / 10:31PM | ---------------------------------------------- It said "Insert disk #3", but only two will fit! ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: rpyne at kinfolk.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/rpyne%40kinfolk.org ------------------------------ Richard B. Pyne, NZ7K rpyne at kinfolk.org http://pyne.kinfolk.org/rbp2 From jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org Thu Jan 16 04:47:51 2003 From: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org (Jim Hale) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 21:47:51 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives in HTML? In-Reply-To: <20030115222806.A3669@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: <017e01c2bd12$0b8e95b0$fa010a0a@HALE.local> Believe me - I'M the ignorant one when it comes to this. :) The SME Server is just a distribution of Linux (www.e-smith.org) that has all the stuff built in to run everything for web that you configure via a web interface. The 'specialized' version of stuff I was talking about was just packaged by another SME Server user that places the files where they need to be for THAT particular distribution - hence the files aren't in the 'usual' place per the installation instructions for mhonarc. Like, my archives are located in /opt/mailman/archives and mhonarc is located in /opt/mailman/mhonarc instead of /var/mhonarc. So I'm all confused. :/ Jim Hale --- 'The OS Tells The PC What To Do With Itself" - Me, 1990 --- Visit Our MIDI & Digital Audio Website at http://hale.dyndns.org -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+jim-ml=halemail.dyndns.org at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jim-ml=halemail.dyndns.org at python.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Davis Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:28 PM To: Jim Hale Cc: 'Mailing List - Mailman' Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives in HTML? * Jim Hale (jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org) wrote: > I went and pulled mhonarc and have it installed but I need to find out > how to make Mailman look at it instead of Pipermail - problem is that > I'm running all this on an SME server so everything is not in the > exact location like in the instructions. First I don't know what SME means (sorry for my ignorance). So I hope this applies to you. There are a few ways to do this. I'd say 2 of the easiest are as follows. See the ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX section in Mailman/Defaults.py and set the setting as you need to in mm_cfg.py. 1. Use the existing mbox file located in archives/private/.mbox/.mbox Then you can point mhonarc to that file and update from that file. The rest is configuring mhonarc and its templates to suite your needs. With this option you would have to regenerate occasionally. I'm sure theres a way to have it generate on the fly, but I don't know enough about mailman or python to do it. 2. Subscribe an archive (ie mhonarc at list.domain) user to all your lists and use his mbox to generate the archvies with. With this option you can have the archives rebuild as mail comes in with procmail filters or whatever you use. > I guess you could say that I'm running 'specialized' versions of > Mailman/Mhonarc/HTDig that someone packaged up specifically for the > SME Server - just hoping maybe someone here has run into the same > situation. Not sure what you mean by 'specialized' versions. And I hope this applies to your 'specialized' system. ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Wednesday, January 15, 2003 / 10:17PM | ---------------------------------------------- Drugs may lead to nowhere, but at least it's the scenic route. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jim-ml%40halemail.d yndns.org From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Thu Jan 16 05:31:21 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 23:31:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives in HTML? In-Reply-To: <017e01c2bd12$0b8e95b0$fa010a0a@HALE.local>; from jim-ml@halemail.dyndns.org on Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 09:47:51PM -0600 References: <20030115222806.A3669@dogpound.vnet.net> <017e01c2bd12$0b8e95b0$fa010a0a@HALE.local> Message-ID: <20030115233121.A4432@dogpound.vnet.net> * Jim Hale (jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org) wrote: > Believe me - I'M the ignorant one when it comes to this. :) Then there's only one thing to do, and thats learn :) > The SME Server is just a distribution of Linux (www.e-smith.org) that > has all the stuff built in to run everything for web that you configure > via a web interface. The 'specialized' version of stuff I was talking > about was just packaged by another SME Server user that places the files > where they need to be for THAT particular distribution - hence the files > aren't in the 'usual' place per the installation instructions for > mhonarc. Alright, that makes some more sense. > Like, my archives are located in /opt/mailman/archives and mhonarc is > located in /opt/mailman/mhonarc instead of /var/mhonarc. So I'm all > confused. :/ So the previous instructions should still work. Just output the mhonarc web files to the location you want on your web server. ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Wednesday, January 15, 2003 / 11:29PM | ---------------------------------------------- C:\WINDOWS C:\WINDOWS\GO C:\PC\CRAWL From bryanf at samurai.com Thu Jan 16 05:35:34 2003 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 23:35:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] misfeature/bug in MM 2.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, at 02:12 PM, Jeff A. Earickson wrote: > Why should the list administrator be bothered with having to > tend admin requests from spammers and other idiots? Because enough things have changed between 2.0 and 2.1 without changing the default for handling non-member posts. Bryan From raquel at thericehouse.net Thu Jan 16 05:41:31 2003 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:41:31 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailinglists for multiple domains on one server In-Reply-To: <3E25CD77.25523.13DA288@localhost> References: <200301160339.18140.mailings@good-it.com> <3E25CD77.25523.13DA288@localhost> Message-ID: <20030115204131.1a9e0696.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 21:07:03 -0700 "Richard B. Pyne" wrote: > Yes, except it does not have the ability to set the domain at or > before the time of list creation. If you want to do it in a true > virtual hosting manner, you need to send the listowner > notification email to yourself when you create the list. You can > then log in to the admin interface, set the domain, and then edit > and forward the listowner notification email. > > --Richard Perhaps you should upgrade to 2.1? -- Raquel ============================================================ You can have anything you want - if you want it badly enough. You can be anything you want to be, do anything you set out to accomplish if you hold to that desire with singleness of purpose. --Abraham Lincoln From GoD5837333 at aol.com Thu Jan 16 05:34:12 2003 From: GoD5837333 at aol.com (GoD5837333 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 23:34:12 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question. Message-ID: <10.2b4cbed8.2b579044@aol.com> I am not as computer literate as I need to be. I am using Mailman through Hostway and cannot figure out how to send messages to my members. After adding my members from my previous list with another company how do I send them monthly emails? I am sorry if I have the wrong address, can you please help? From claus.atzenbeck at freenet.de Thu Jan 16 11:37:14 2003 From: claus.atzenbeck at freenet.de (Claus Atzenbeck) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:37:14 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on MacOS X Message-ID: <7A71D74B-293E-11D7-976A-000393A566B8@freenet.de> Hi, I have MacOS X (version 10.2.3, but not the server version). I would like to install a mailing list server. Is there any documentation on installing Mailman on MacOS X? I have not found any MacOS specific doc on the web. Any hints? Thanks! Claus From ianwebster1 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 16 14:02:10 2003 From: ianwebster1 at hotmail.com (ian webster) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 13:02:10 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] backing up Message-ID: I would like to know if I can back up a list that I have in mailman to a spreadsheet or database. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dhphllps at memphis.edu Thu Jan 16 14:36:00 2003 From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 07:36:00 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on MacOS X In-Reply-To: <7A71D74B-293E-11D7-976A-000393A566B8@freenet.de> Message-ID: <7330FE51-2957-11D7-B6F3-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> http://www.afp548.com/Articles/mail/python-mailman.html gives detailed instructions for installing MM 2.0.13. According to the author, it will soon be updated to reflect the differences in 2.1. That, along with the "readme.macosx" file included with the MM source should give you plenty to go on. On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 04:37 AM, Claus Atzenbeck wrote: > I have MacOS X (version 10.2.3, but not the server version). I would > like to install a mailing list server. Is there any documentation on > installing Mailman on MacOS X? I have not found any MacOS specific doc > on the web. From delilah at seyyav.pair.com Thu Jan 16 14:54:35 2003 From: delilah at seyyav.pair.com (sean pambianco) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 08:54:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailpasswds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Is there anyway to run the mailpasswds cron jobs for just one list as opposed for all lists on my mailman server? Thanks, Sean From jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org Thu Jan 16 15:25:40 2003 From: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org (Jim Hale) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 08:25:40 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives in HTML? In-Reply-To: <20030115233121.A4432@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: <000a01c2bd6b$25a0a2f0$fa010a0a@HALE.local> I shoulda just waited. :) Someone sent a message to one of my lists and it automatically took care of the Archives. :) Now I need to learn how to customize the display in Mhonarc - which as they say at the end of some movies, 'But that is another story...' Thanks for the help! :) Jim Hale --- 'The OS Tells The PC What To Do With Itself" - Me, 1990 --- Visit Our MIDI & Digital Audio Website at http://hale.dyndns.org -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+jim-ml=halemail.dyndns.org at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jim-ml=halemail.dyndns.org at python.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Davis Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:31 PM To: Jim Hale Cc: 'Mailing List - Mailman' Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives in HTML? * Jim Hale (jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org) wrote: > Believe me - I'M the ignorant one when it comes to this. :) Then there's only one thing to do, and thats learn :) > The SME Server is just a distribution of Linux (www.e-smith.org) that > has all the stuff built in to run everything for web that you > configure via a web interface. The 'specialized' version of stuff I > was talking about was just packaged by another SME Server user that > places the files where they need to be for THAT particular > distribution - hence the files aren't in the 'usual' place per the > installation instructions for mhonarc. Alright, that makes some more sense. > Like, my archives are located in /opt/mailman/archives and mhonarc is > located in /opt/mailman/mhonarc instead of /var/mhonarc. So I'm all > confused. :/ So the previous instructions should still work. Just output the mhonarc web files to the location you want on your web server. ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Wednesday, January 15, 2003 / 11:29PM | ---------------------------------------------- C:\WINDOWS C:\WINDOWS\GO C:\PC\CRAWL ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jim-ml%40halemail.d yndns.org From bryanf at samurai.com Thu Jan 16 15:57:28 2003 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:57:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] user feedback on plain digests Message-ID: Several of my list owners are quite unhappy with the state of plain text digests in 2.1. Here's one comment sent to me this morning: ===== I must admit that until this post appeared I had not noticed that the messages were still numbered. Since the index is numbered, the number is really usefull for those who just want to scroll to specific messages. The number must be the first line, as it used to be, for the numbering to be of any value. (I mean, who looks to the 10th line of anything, to see if it's numbered?) The reason why I asked about eliminating those five unnecessary lines of header is that they make it impossible for someone scrolling through the digest to easily spot the subject lines. The latest Mailman may be wonderful in other respects, but this version might as well be numbered 1.0 as it takes several steps backward in digest presentation--by obscuring message numbers anbd subject lines. You can quote me. ===== And another: ===== The person at Mailman who came up with the brilliant idea to hide the number obviously is not a digest reader. More than half of our subscribers are, so this is a big concern. ===== It should be noted that they do like most of the other features in 2.1, but as they have a lot of digest subscribers this is generating lots of complaints. When I get a chance later today I'll be trying the patch Tokio Kikuchi sent to mailman-developers - hopefully it will resolve the excess headers issue. Thanks, Bryan From nneul at umr.edu Thu Jan 16 15:58:27 2003 From: nneul at umr.edu (Neulinger, Nathan) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 08:58:27 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sub-lists and authorized posting Message-ID: I managed to make a patch to do this based on the "list_exploder" patch that is in the sourceforge patches area for 2.0. I've got a patch against 2.1 if anyone is interested. Basically lets you put: +list at thisdomain in the *_these_nonmembers boxes, and it will expand that to the contents of that list when checking for authorization to post/etc. -- Nathan ------------------------------------------------------------ Nathan Neulinger EMail: nneul at umr.edu University of Missouri - Rolla Phone: (573) 341-4841 Computing Services Fax: (573) 341-4216 > -----Original Message----- > From: Neulinger, Nathan > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 4:18 PM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sub-lists and authorized posting > > > Is there any way to grant permission to post to list Y to [anyone on > list X]? > > This is a pretty common option used on listserv lists. > > I didn't see anything that would directly allow this, but > seems like it > wouldn't be too hard to have it be an added feature. Has anyone put > together a patch to support this or know of some way to do it that > doesn't involve duplicating subscriptions or other hackery like that. > > -- Nathan > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Nathan Neulinger EMail: nneul at umr.edu > University of Missouri - Rolla Phone: (573) 341-4841 > Computing Services Fax: (573) 341-4216 > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%> 40python.org/ > > This > message was sent to: nneul at umr.edu > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/nneul%40umr.edu > From wheakory at isu.edu Thu Jan 16 16:27:17 2003 From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 08:27:17 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] spam filter Message-ID: <3E26CF4C.45A77E8C@isu.edu> Hi, I would like to discard any email that comes from the from address "big at boss.com". I know you can put a filter value in the mm_cfg.py and that will filter mail to be held for moderation; for example, "from: .big at boss.com", but I would rather have it be automatically discarded, so there is no need to manually discard these emails when they are held for approval. I would need this for mailman 2.0.13 and mailman 2.1 -- Kory Wheatley Academic Computing Analyst Sr. Phone 282-3874 ######################################### Everything must point to him. From rpyne at kinfolk.org Thu Jan 16 17:24:31 2003 From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard B. Pyne) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:24:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailinglists for multiple domains on one server In-Reply-To: <20030115204131.1a9e0696.raquel@thericehouse.net> References: <3E25CD77.25523.13DA288@localhost> Message-ID: <3E267A4F.22070.3C38EA@localhost> I am using 2.1... I still have not found a way to set the list's preferred domain until after the list is created. Please, show me where in the newlist script or the create cgi you can set the domain for the list! --Richard On 15 Jan 2003 at 20:41, Raquel Rice wrote: On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 21:07:03 -0700 "Richard B. Pyne" wrote: > Yes, except it does not have the ability to set the domain at or > before the time of list creation. If you want to do it in a true > virtual hosting manner, you need to send the listowner > notification email to yourself when you create the list. You can > then log in to the admin interface, set the domain, and then edit > and forward the listowner notification email. > > --Richard Perhaps you should upgrade to 2.1? -- Raquel ============================================================ You can have anything you want - if you want it badly enough. You can be anything you want to be, do anything you set out to accomplish if you hold to that desire with singleness of purpose. --Abraham Lincoln ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: rpyne at kinfolk.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/rpyne%40kinfolk.org ------------------------------ Richard B. Pyne, NZ7K rpyne at kinfolk.org http://pyne.kinfolk.org/rbp2 From dan at ssc.com Thu Jan 16 17:39:36 2003 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 08:39:36 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] spam filter In-Reply-To: <3E26CF4C.45A77E8C@isu.edu> References: <3E26CF4C.45A77E8C@isu.edu> Message-ID: <20030116083936.B5336@ssc.com> On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 08:27:17AM -0700, Kory Wheatley wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to discard any email that comes from the from address > "big at boss.com". I know you can put a filter value in the mm_cfg.py and > that will filter mail to be held for moderation; for example, "from: > .big at boss.com", but I would rather have it be automatically discarded, > so there is no need to manually discard these emails when they are held > for approval. > > I would need this for mailman 2.0.13 and mailman 2.1 Why not stick with the "small sharp tools" philosophy of UNIX and use the existing tools that more than adequately address the problem, rather than trying to reinvent a solution? Procmail (to name just one tool) is very good at sorting out this kind of thing. It doesn't take much to set up. In the MTA's aliases file, instead of passing directly to the Mailman wrapper, use a line like: ---------- snip ------------- listname: "|/usr/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrcs/listname" ---------- snip ------------- for a list called "listname". The /etc/procmailrcs directory is owned either by root.root or by the list user and group. The list procmail rcfile /etc/procmailrcs/listname is owned by the list user and group. Near the beginning is a line that says: LIST=listname In it, along with whatever else you might use, you put a recipe: ---------- snip ------------- :0 * ^From: .*\.big at boss\.com /dev/null ---------- snip ------------- which consigns mail containing a header such as the one you mention to oblivion. You then have much more flexible and sophisticated mail sorting than is reasonable to expect Mailman ever to implement. You can discard postings with duplicate bodies: ---------- snip ------------- # Passthrough recipe :0fw | /usr/lib/mailman/localbin/dup.py /var/log/mailman/$LIST.db # If preceding inserted X-Duplicate header, consign to oblivion :0 * ^X-Duplicate: yes /dev/null ---------- snip ------------- (dup.py near end of this email) You can invoke SpamAssassin and put things flagged as spam in your log directory: ---------- snip ------------- :0fw | spamc :0: * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes /var/log/mailman/$LIST-spam ---------- snip ------------- At the end of the procmail rcfile is the wrapper recipe: ---------- snip ------------- :0 | /usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post $LIST ---------- snip ------------- which delivers anything not disposed of by an earlier recipe. A python script to tag duplicates, useful in procmail rcfiles: ----------------------- snip ---------------------------- #!/usr/bin/python # # Copyright 2002 Specialized Systems Consultants, # publishers of Linux Journal # # You are licensed to use this software under the provisions # of the Gnu General Public License, version 2 or later. # # Suggestions and patches to: Dan Wilder # # Tue Oct 29 09:24:35 PST 2002 dhw """ dup.py -- Filter a piece of email, inserting an X-Duplicate: yes header if we've seen this thing before. Usage: dup.py dbfilename outputmail """ import fcntl import shelve import md5 from sys import stdin, stdout, argv, exit if len(argv) < 2: print(""" Usage: dup.py dbfilename outputmail """) exit(1) # Get db file name and related lock file name dupdb = argv[1] parts = dupdb.split("/") duplock = parts[:-1] duplock.append("." + parts[-1:][0] + ".lock") duplock = "/".join(duplock) # Grab the email message # Break up the mail into head and body text strings. # Omit X-Duplicate header, if found. # Thanks, we'll add our own if we want one. head = [] body = [] for line in stdin.readlines(): if body or line == "\n": body.append(line) elif line.find("X-Duplicate: yes") != 0: head.append(line) head = "".join(head) body = "".join(body) # calculate body md5sum sum = md5.new(body).hexdigest() # Open a shelve under lock. # If it doesn't exist create it. lockfd = open(duplock, "w") fcntl.lockf(lockfd, fcntl.LOCK_EX) try: dupfd = shelve.open(dupdb, "w") except: dupfd = shelve.open(dupdb, "c") # If we've seen this sum before we'll add the header, # if not, write this sum to the shelve file. if dupfd.has_key(sum): duphdr = "X-Duplicate: yes\n" else: duphdr = None dupfd[sum] = 1 dupfd.close() fcntl.lockf(lockfd, fcntl.LOCK_UN) lockfd.close() # Print out the mail inserting X-Duplicate header if needed. stdout.write(head) if duphdr: stdout.write(duphdr) stdout.write(body) exit(0) ----------------------- snip ---------------------------- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://www.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From raquel at thericehouse.net Thu Jan 16 17:41:24 2003 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 08:41:24 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailinglists for multiple domains on one server In-Reply-To: <3E267A4F.22070.3C38EA@localhost> References: <3E25CD77.25523.13DA288@localhost> <3E267A4F.22070.3C38EA@localhost> Message-ID: <20030116084124.0f3d0f21.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:24:31 -0700 "Richard B. Pyne" wrote: > > On 15 Jan 2003 at 20:41, Raquel Rice wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 21:07:03 -0700 > "Richard B. Pyne" wrote: > > > Yes, except it does not have the ability to set the domain at or > > before the time of list creation. If you want to do it in a true > > virtual hosting manner, you need to send the listowner > > notification email to yourself when you create the list. You can > > then log in to the admin interface, set the domain, and then > > edit and forward the listowner notification email. > > > > --Richard > > Perhaps you should upgrade to 2.1? > > -- > Raquel > > I am using 2.1... I still have not found a way to set the list's > preferred domain until after the list is created. > > Please, show me where in the newlist script or the create cgi you > can set the domain for the list! > > --Richard Have you read the comments in Defaults.py for using "add_virtualhost()" in mm_cfg.py? The domain is set when the list is created using "newlist" and the proper email is sent to the listowner address specified in "newlist". -- Raquel ============================================================ It is hard to fight an enemy who has outposts in your head. --Sally Kempton From rpyne at kinfolk.org Thu Jan 16 17:51:11 2003 From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard B. Pyne) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:51:11 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailinglists for multiple domains on one server In-Reply-To: <20030116084124.0f3d0f21.raquel@thericehouse.net> References: <3E267A4F.22070.3C38EA@localhost> Message-ID: <3E26808F.5894.54A23B@localhost> Eating (a very small piece of) humble pie.... After I sent my reply, I did find the notes in bin/newlist telling how to specify the domain as part of the list name (i.e. list at dom.ain). However, the create cgi will not permit including the @dom.ain in the list name and therefore defaults to the default domain (which mailman appears to allow only to be the domain listed in the PTR dns record for the IP address of the machine). --Richard On 16 Jan 2003 at 8:41, Raquel Rice wrote: On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:24:31 -0700 "Richard B. Pyne" wrote: > > On 15 Jan 2003 at 20:41, Raquel Rice wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 21:07:03 -0700 > "Richard B. Pyne" wrote: > > > Yes, except it does not have the ability to set the domain at or > > before the time of list creation. If you want to do it in a true > > virtual hosting manner, you need to send the listowner > > notification email to yourself when you create the list. You can > > then log in to the admin interface, set the domain, and then > > edit and forward the listowner notification email. > > > > --Richard > > Perhaps you should upgrade to 2.1? > > -- > Raquel > > I am using 2.1... I still have not found a way to set the list's > preferred domain until after the list is created. > > Please, show me where in the newlist script or the create cgi you > can set the domain for the list! > > --Richard Have you read the comments in Defaults.py for using "add_virtualhost()" in mm_cfg.py? The domain is set when the list is created using "newlist" and the proper email is sent to the listowner address specified in "newlist". -- Raquel ============================================================ It is hard to fight an enemy who has outposts in your head. --Sally Kempton ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: rpyne at kinfolk.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/rpyne%40kinfolk.org ------------------------------ Richard B. Pyne, NZ7K rpyne at kinfolk.org http://pyne.kinfolk.org/rbp2 From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Thu Jan 16 17:56:50 2003 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 08:56:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] backing up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 16, 2003 at 13:02, ian webster wrote: >I would like to know if I can back up a list that I have in mailman to a >spreadsheet or database. How about running bin/list_members, and doing whatever you want with the resulting list of email addresses? No-sleep-and-not-familiar-with-Sun-keyboards-ly yours, -- Satya. F^HSeeding the pseudorandom number generator for fun and profit^W^W. From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Thu Jan 16 17:59:14 2003 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 08:59:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] spam filter In-Reply-To: <3E26CF4C.45A77E8C@isu.edu> References: <3E26CF4C.45A77E8C@isu.edu> Message-ID: (Fups set to -users only) On Jan 16, 2003 at 08:27, Kory Wheatley wrote: >I would like to discard any email that comes from the from address >"big at boss.com". Wouldn't we all! Yes, I've gotten multiple spam from that, as well. >.big at boss.com", but I would rather have it be automatically discarded, >so there is no need to manually discard these emails when they are held >for approval. You should really do this at the MTA (Metropolitan Transit Authority? ... No, Mail Transfer Agent) level. I'm going to do it when I get a round tuit. Or even a reasonably soft-cornered tuit. Riding-the-buses-ly yours, -- Satya. The option to override self-destruct has expir$@#%$^*NO CARRIER From ggodin at media-x.com Thu Jan 16 18:15:34 2003 From: ggodin at media-x.com (Gerard Godin) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:15:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with setup of mailman on one machine with MTA on a second server.. Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030116121522.00b73d38@mail.media-x.com> Is there a FAQ or tutorial somewhere on doing this well? Right now I'm trying: On MTA: /etc/aliases -> test: test at mailmanhost.media-x.com test-owner: test-owner at mailman On mailmanhost: /etc/aliases -> test-subscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test" etc... problem is, these users on mailmanhost get bounced back as Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 550 5.1.1 User unknown Help.. From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Thu Jan 16 18:25:47 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:25:47 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patches bug fixed (I hope) Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030116172538.00ab1308@pop.ftel.co.uk> If you use my Mailman/htdig integration patches and are using MM 2.1 final you will definitely find the new version of the #444884 patch I have just uploaded useful. This revised patch incorporates a fix for a fairly gross bug in $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/htdig.py; don't ask: the embarrassment is too great, My test schedule for 2.1 betas and final was badly lacking for this to have got through. Apologies to anyone bitten by the problem. Unhappily the problem was noticed just as the HDD on my test system died and it has taken ages to get a replacement drive, install it and get everything back to working condition. While investigating the problem and generating the revised htdig patch for 2.1 I also found an interaction with a bug in $prefix/scripts/driver for which I have posted patch #668685. For using the MM/htdig integration the patch sequence is now: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=668685&group_id=103&atid=300103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=661138&group_id=103&atid=300103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103 Again, let me know if you have any problems with these. From raquel at thericehouse.net Thu Jan 16 18:19:19 2003 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:19:19 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailinglists for multiple domains on one server In-Reply-To: <3E26808F.5894.54A23B@localhost> References: <3E267A4F.22070.3C38EA@localhost> <3E26808F.5894.54A23B@localhost> Message-ID: <20030116091919.27df0499.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:51:11 -0700 "Richard B. Pyne" wrote: > > On 16 Jan 2003 at 8:41, Raquel Rice wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:24:31 -0700 > "Richard B. Pyne" wrote: > > > > > I am using 2.1... I still have not found a way to set the list's > > preferred domain until after the list is created. > > > > Please, show me where in the newlist script or the create cgi > > you can set the domain for the list! > > > > --Richard > > Have you read the comments in Defaults.py for using > "add_virtualhost()" in mm_cfg.py? The domain is set when the list > is created using "newlist" and the proper email is sent to the > listowner address specified in "newlist". > > -- > Raquel > > Eating (a very small piece of) humble pie.... > > After I sent my reply, I did find the notes in bin/newlist telling > how to specify the domain as part of the list name (i.e. > list at dom.ain). However, the create cgi will not permit including > the @dom.ain in the list name and therefore defaults to the > default domain (which mailman appears to allow only to be the > domain listed in the PTR dns record for the IP address of the > machine). > > --Richard > And I bring you back, once again, to "add_virtualhost()". -- Raquel ============================================================ It is hard to fight an enemy who has outposts in your head. --Sally Kempton From rpyne at kinfolk.org Thu Jan 16 19:19:18 2003 From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard B. Pyne) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:19:18 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailinglists for multiple domains on one server In-Reply-To: <20030116091919.27df0499.raquel@thericehouse.net> References: <3E26808F.5894.54A23B@localhost> Message-ID: <3E269536.4203.A5528F@localhost> Another very small slice of humble pie... I had my mm_cfg.py file: DEFAULT_URL_HOST=lists.kinfolk.org DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST=lists.kinfolk.org add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) Had to change them to: DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.kinfolk.org' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.kinfolk.org' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) I guess I'm too used to http.conf files where almost nothing needs to be quoted. HOWEVER... >From the web interface: Error: List name must not include "@": test at 71bruins.org (yes, 71bruins.org IS listed as a virtual host) --Richard On 16 Jan 2003 at 9:19, Raquel Rice wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:51:11 -0700 > "Richard B. Pyne" wrote: > > > > > On 16 Jan 2003 at 8:41, Raquel Rice wrote: > > > > On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:24:31 -0700 > > "Richard B. Pyne" wrote: > > > > > > > > I am using 2.1... I still have not found a way to set the list's > > > preferred domain until after the list is created. > > > > > > Please, show me where in the newlist script or the create cgi > > > you can set the domain for the list! > > > > > > --Richard > > > > Have you read the comments in Defaults.py for using > > "add_virtualhost()" in mm_cfg.py? The domain is set when the list > > is created using "newlist" and the proper email is sent to the > > listowner address specified in "newlist". > > > > -- > > Raquel > > > > Eating (a very small piece of) humble pie.... > > > > After I sent my reply, I did find the notes in bin/newlist telling > > how to specify the domain as part of the list name (i.e. > > list at dom.ain). However, the create cgi will not permit including > > the @dom.ain in the list name and therefore defaults to the > > default domain (which mailman appears to allow only to be the > > domain listed in the PTR dns record for the IP address of the > > machine). > > > > --Richard > > > > And I bring you back, once again, to "add_virtualhost()". > > -- > Raquel > ============================================================ > It is hard to fight an enemy who has outposts in your head. > --Sally Kempton > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: rpyne at kinfolk.org > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/rpyne%40kinfolk.org > ------------------------------ Richard B. Pyne, NZ7K rpyne at kinfolk.org http://pyne.kinfolk.org/rbp2 From raquel at thericehouse.net Thu Jan 16 20:22:36 2003 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:22:36 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailinglists for multiple domains on one server In-Reply-To: <3E269536.4203.A5528F@localhost> References: <3E26808F.5894.54A23B@localhost> <3E269536.4203.A5528F@localhost> Message-ID: <20030116112236.5b803d8c.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:19:18 -0700 "Richard B. Pyne" wrote: > Another very small slice of humble pie... > > I had my mm_cfg.py file: > > DEFAULT_URL_HOST=lists.kinfolk.org > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST=lists.kinfolk.org > add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) > > Had to change them to: > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.kinfolk.org' > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.kinfolk.org' > add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) > > I guess I'm too used to http.conf files where almost nothing needs > to be quoted. > HOWEVER... > > >From the web interface: > > Error: List name must not include "@": test at 71bruins.org > > (yes, 71bruins.org IS listed as a virtual host) > > --Richard > I do it all the time. I regulary set up new lists on the various hosts and the "new list" email goes to the new owner. So, I wonder what you're doing? Me? ## In Defaults.py DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'raquel.yellowline.com' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'raquel.yellowline.com' ## In mm_cfg.py add_virtualhost("lists.thericehouse.net", "lists.thericehouse.net") add_virtualhost("lists.yellowline.com", "lists.yellowline.com") add_virtualhost("lists.waveelectrology.com", "lists.waveelectrology.com") add_virtualhost("lists.campaignfortolerance.org", "lists.campaignfortolerance.org") (sorry for wrapping problems) -- Raquel ============================================================ It is hard to fight an enemy who has outposts in your head. --Sally Kempton From macnut at macnuthome.com Thu Jan 16 20:22:19 2003 From: macnut at macnuthome.com (Victor Daniel a.k.a the MacNut) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:22:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailinglists for multiple domains on one server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does the virtual domain have to be on the same server as the mailman list? Can the domain be on another server at another host altogether? At Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:51:11 -0700, "Richard B. Pyne" wrote: >Eating (a very small piece of) humble pie.... > >After I sent my reply, I did find the notes in bin/newlist telling how to >specify the domain as part of the list name (i.e. list at dom.ain). However, the >create cgi will not permit including the @dom.ain in the list name and >therefore defaults to the default domain (which mailman appears to allow >only to be the domain listed in the PTR dns record for the IP address of the >machine). > >--Richard -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Victor Daniel a.k.a The MacNut the.macnut at verizon.net macnut at macnuthome.com Listmom, ClarisWorks/AppleWorks email list: And the Macintosh Personal Finance List: From jeffp at generalist.org Thu Jan 16 20:45:12 2003 From: jeffp at generalist.org (Jeff Poretsky) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:45:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] passwords Message-ID: <20030116194512.GA24502@generalist.org> Is there any way to set up a list so that there are no passwords required for unsubscribe. Even better if the only password would be for the admin(s). I need this so that someone who wants to unsubscribe can do so with a mailto link with unsubscribe filled in the subject field. Thanks Jeff Poretsky From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Thu Jan 16 23:32:39 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:32:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] passwords In-Reply-To: <20030116194512.GA24502@generalist.org> References: <20030116194512.GA24502@generalist.org> Message-ID: <1042756359.3e27330733df0@dogpound.vnet.net> Quoting Jeff Poretsky : > Is there any way to set up a list so that there are no passwords > required for unsubscribe. Even better if the only password would be for > the admin(s). > > I need this so that someone who wants to unsubscribe can do so with a > mailto link with unsubscribe filled in the subject field. Check the FAQ 1.5 I've never used it, and not sure if it'll work with 2.1 or not. YMMV ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Thu Jan 16 23:45:35 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:45:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question. In-Reply-To: <10.2b4cbed8.2b579044@aol.com> References: <10.2b4cbed8.2b579044@aol.com> Message-ID: <1042757135.3e27360f033b5@dogpound.vnet.net> Quoting GoD5837333 at aol.com: > I am not as computer literate as I need to be. I am using Mailman through > Hostway and cannot figure out how to send messages to my members. > > After adding my members from my previous list with another company how do I > > send them monthly emails? > > I am sorry if I have the wrong address, can you please help? You might have the wrong address. As we don't host your list, and can't really tell you exactly what the name of your list is. But if you have things setup correctly on your list, you should be able to send a message to @ (without the <>'s of course). Make sure the options are to your liking (i assume Hostway allows you access to the web admin pages). Then a simple message using your email program, from an address that is subscribed to the list, should suffice. Then mailman should distribute that message to all your list members. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Thu Jan 16 23:57:21 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:57:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] spam filter In-Reply-To: <3E26CF4C.45A77E8C@isu.edu> References: <3E26CF4C.45A77E8C@isu.edu> Message-ID: <1042757841.3e2738d1e4c6b@dogpound.vnet.net> Quoting Kory Wheatley : > I would like to discard any email that comes from the from address > "big at boss.com". I know you can put a filter value in the mm_cfg.py and > that will filter mail to be held for moderation; for example, "from: > .big at boss.com", but I would rather have it be automatically discarded, > so there is no need to manually discard these emails when they are held > for approval. > > I would need this for mailman 2.0.13 and mailman 2.1 It would be smarter to put that ban in at the mailserver level. Putting a line in your /etc/mail/access (if its sendmail) would be nice. That way no processing of the message, less CPU consumption. But if cannot modify the mailserver and your using mailman 2.1, putting an entry in reject_these_nonmembers under Privacy Options -> Sender filters will auto reject that address. I don't think that mm2.0 has this auto-reject feature. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From bragon at zapeng.com Thu Jan 16 23:56:21 2003 From: bragon at zapeng.com (Bryan Ragon) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:56:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix / ldap / mailman (user unknown in local) In-Reply-To: <1042757135.3e27360f033b5@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: I am trying to setup a mail server running Postfix virtual domains, with domain and user info stored in a ldap backend. I tried to follow the directions in the postfix-to-mailman.py file without luck. I like the idea of using that script because then I don't need to worry about creating aliases (according to it's documentation). Accoring to the postfix-to-mailman documentation I need to add: # /etc/postfix/main.cf: # relay_domains = ... lists.example.com # transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport # mailman_destination_recipient_limit = 1 # # /etc/postfix/transport: # lists.example.com mailman: I added relay_domains, mailman_destination_recipient_limit, however for the transport, I edited my ldap entry for my lists.mydomain.com and changed it's transport to mailman: there. # /etc/postfix/master.cf # mailman unix - n n - - pipe # flags=FR user=mailman:mailman # argv=/var/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py ${nexthop} ${mailbox} This I added to the master.cf. I created the list fine, when I go to send an email to test at list.domain I get this: Jan 16 17:23:25 kings postfix/smtpd[32752]: dict_ldap_lookup: Searching with filter (&(jvd=lists.domain.com)(objectClass=JammVirtualDomain)) Jan 16 17:23:25 kings postfix/smtpd[32752]: dict_ldap_get_values: Search found 1 match(es) Jan 16 17:23:25 kings postfix/smtpd[32752]: dict_ldap_get_values: search returned 0 value(s) for requested result attribute postfixTransport Jan 16 17:23:25 kings postfix/smtpd[32752]: dict_ldap_get_values: Leaving dict_ldap_get_values Jan 16 17:23:25 kings postfix/smtpd[32752]: dict_ldap_lookup: Search returned mailman: Jan 16 17:23:25 kings postfix/smtpd[32752]: dict_lookup: lists.domain.com = mailman: Jan 16 17:23:25 kings postfix/smtpd[32752]: dict_ldap_lookup: In dict_ldap_lookup Jan 16 17:23:25 kings postfix/smtpd[32752]: dict_ldap_lookup: Using existing connection for LDAP source accounts Jan 16 17:23:25 kings postfix/smtpd[32752]: dict_ldap_lookup: Searching with filter (&(&(objectClass=JammMailAccount)(mail=test))(accountActive=TRUE)) Jan 16 17:23:25 kings postfix/smtpd[32752]: dict_ldap_get_values: Search found 0 match(es) Jan 16 17:23:25 kings postfix/smtpd[32752]: dict_ldap_get_values: Leaving dict_ldap_get_values Jan 16 17:23:25 kings postfix/smtpd[32752]: dict_ldap_lookup: Search returned nothing Jan 16 17:23:25 kings postfix/smtpd[32752]: maps_find: test: not found Jan 16 17:23:25 kings postfix/smtpd[32752]: dict_ldap_lookup: In dict_ldap_lookup Jan 16 17:23:25 kings postfix/smtpd[32752]: dict_ldap_lookup: Using existing connection for LDAP source accounts Jan 16 17:23:25 kings postfix/smtpd[32752]: dict_ldap_lookup: Searching with filter (&(&(objectClass=JammMailAccount)(mail=@lists.domain.com))(accountActive=TRU E)) Jan 16 17:23:25 kings postfix/smtpd[32752]: dict_ldap_get_values: Search found 0 match(es) Jan 16 17:23:25 kings postfix/smtpd[32752]: dict_ldap_get_values: Leaving dict_ldap_get_values Jan 16 17:23:25 kings postfix/smtpd[32752]: dict_ldap_lookup: Search returned nothing Jan 16 17:23:25 kings postfix/smtpd[32752]: maps_find: @lists.domain.com: not found Jan 16 17:23:26 kings postfix/smtpd[32752]: mail_addr_find: test at lists.domain.com -> (not found) Jan 16 17:23:26 kings postfix/smtpd[32752]: B241D11FB3: reject: RCPT from crowders.domain.com[64.105.62.67]: 550 : User unknown in local recipient table; from= proto=ESMTP helo= Jan 16 17:23:26 kings postfix/smtpd[32752]: > crowders.domain.com[64.105.62.67]: 550 : User unknown in local recipient table I know this is sort of a Postfix/Mailman question, so I am unsure where to post it. Any ideas? Thanks! Bryan From JAS at GoColumbiaMO.com Fri Jan 17 02:01:33 2003 From: JAS at GoColumbiaMO.com (Jeff Schoby) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:01:33 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] need help with mm-handler contrib Message-ID: Hi all, newly converted majordomo heathen here.... I -think- I followed the instructions right.....however, for some reason when I create the list in the web interface, the aliases don't get added to the virtual user table and emails to the new list I create bounce back as 'user unknown' let me know what info you guys need. using slackware 8.x with sendmail and the latest stable mailman, python, and apache ------------------------------------------ Jeff Schoby - Unix Admin City of Columbia, Missouri jas at ci.columbia.mo.us 573.874.6320 From daevid at daevid.com Fri Jan 17 06:27:43 2003 From: daevid at daevid.com (Daevid Vincent) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:27:43 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I set up virtual host/domain lists on same server? Message-ID: <001901c2bde9$29b91420$0801a8c0@telecom> I'm sure this has been asked a thousand times, and I have scanned the archives a bit, but there is so many fragments and pieces. I'm amazed that the FAQ or the mailman website don't give specific detailed instructions how to accomplish this task. Why is that?!! Grr. Can someone please point me at a page or thread or something that tells me step by step how to set up various mail lists with different domains on the same server. I am currently running RedHat 8.0 with "mailman-2.0.13-3" rpm installed. I have some lists that work just fine already, and I'd like to switch some of them over if possible. For example, I have a list "rbc at daevid.com", but I'd like to change it to be "rbc at foo.com" (for example). How do I do this? My sendmail and apache work fine for "foo.com" as virtual hosts, so what is the mailman component? I am a programmer, but I do not know Python per se, FWTW. Thank you in advance, Daevid. From raquel at thericehouse.net Fri Jan 17 08:03:20 2003 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:03:20 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailinglists for multiple domains on one server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030116230320.56a1e177.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:22:19 -0500 "Victor Daniel a.k.a the MacNut" wrote: > > At Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:51:11 -0700, "Richard B. Pyne" > wrote: > >Eating (a very small piece of) humble pie.... > > > >After I sent my reply, I did find the notes in bin/newlist > >telling how to specify the domain as part of the list name (i.e. > >list at dom.ain). However, the create cgi will not permit including > >the @dom.ain in the list name and therefore defaults to the > >default domain (which mailman appears to allow only to be the > >domain listed in the PTR dns record for the IP address of the > >machine). > > > >--Richard > > Does the virtual domain have to be on the same server as the > mailman list? Can the domain be on another server at another host > altogether? > Which machine is the MX records pointing to? I believe that's the one that Mailman has to be on. -- Raquel ============================================================ You never find yourself until you face the truth. --Pearl Bailey From bsweeney at physics.ucsb.edu Fri Jan 17 08:33:51 2003 From: bsweeney at physics.ucsb.edu (bsweeney at physics.ucsb.edu) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:33:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] no public lists in listinfo after move Message-ID: Hello all- I'm new to this list but have been using mailman successfully for quite some time. I have run into a snag, however. I'm changing mailman servers (going from RedHat 7.1 to RedHat 7.3), and near as I can tell all I needed to do was copy the mailman folder over to the new server, make sure the apache and mailman GIDs remained the same, symlink the wrapper into /etc/smrsh, and then feed in the crontab stuff. I did all this, and everything seems to work except when I go to the listinfo page, I don't get any public mailing lists there. If I know the name of the list, I can get to it, and if I go to the admin page all the public lists are listed there, but not on the listinfo page. Now on that machine if I give the apache user a shell account and su as it, then run the listinfo script manually, it does print out an html page with all the expected mailman lists. Weird eh? I emptied my browser so I know it's not the cache. I know the apache ScriptAlias lines are correct because all the other stuff works ok (I can even login as an admin, or view a lists archives). Any suggestions on where to look next? Thanks in advance, Brian From bw at his.com Fri Jan 17 08:59:18 2003 From: bw at his.com (Bill Whitacre) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 02:59:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on MacOS X In-Reply-To: <7330FE51-2957-11D7-B6F3-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> Message-ID: <94354406-29F1-11D7-8E99-000393DBCE3C@his.com> I found this link really handy for OS X install of mailman: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg12599.html bw --- On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 08:36 AM, Dan Phillips wrote: > http://www.afp548.com/Articles/mail/python-mailman.html gives detailed > instructions for installing MM 2.0.13. According to the author, it > will soon be updated to reflect the differences in 2.1. That, along > with the "readme.macosx" file included with the MM source should give > you plenty to go on. > > > On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 04:37 AM, Claus Atzenbeck wrote: >> I have MacOS X (version 10.2.3, but not the server version). I would >> like to install a mailing list server. Is there any documentation on >> installing Mailman on MacOS X? I have not found any MacOS specific >> doc on the web. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: bw at his.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bw%40his.com > --- Bill Whitacre bw at his.com From web at reportica.net Fri Jan 17 09:34:02 2003 From: web at reportica.net (Sheryl Coe) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 03:34:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I set up virtual host/domain lists on same server? Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030117032835.020d46f0@reportica.net> I'm relatively new here, but I'll take a stab... Maybe those with more experience can tell us if I've got it wrong, or perhaps just right for my server. Setting up Virtual Hosts ------------------------------------------------------------ The way to set up virtual hosts depends on your web server/mail server combination. Look at the text files that come with the source of your mailman install, especially the specific web server and mail server notes. Here's my to-do list, with notes. Based on GNU Mailman Version 2.1/RH Apache/QMail. [That's my real first recommendation: upgrade to Mailman 2.1.] 1. Edit DNS. (Optional) Create a 'lists' subdomain for each virtual domain. You don't actually create a web page for the 'lists' subdomain, just point it to the main domain. The name of the subdomain doesn't have to be 'lists', other languages will work just as well. Snip... lists IN CNAME mydomain.com. www IN CNAME mydomain.com. 2. Edit Mail Server Routing If you set up a 'lists' subdomain for a virtual domain, route all mail for the 'lists' subdomain to mailman. You will only have to do this once for each domain. All subsequent lists for that virtual domain will be taken care of. (We use qmail, I don't know if those instructions would be useful to you, so I'll leave them out.) If you don't use a subdomain, you will have to set up a whole set of addresses to be forwarded to mailman for each new list, people on this list complain of other problems. [Don't go there, don't go down the hall, don't open that door!] If subscribers complain about mylist at lists.mydomain.com, instead of mylist at mydomain.com, then I just set up forwarding for that one address. 2. Edit Apache Directives (if not already set) This setting makes the archives work. Should be a default for new virtual domains. Options ExecCGI FollowSymLinks Includes 3. Set the Preferred Hostname Open the List Administration page: http://www.maindomain.net/mailman/admin.cgi/thelist/ Edit 'General Options: Host name this list prefers for email.' Enter the virtual domain and subdomain (if any): lists.foo.com You can't do this when creating lists 4. Visit the page for 'all lists' at the Virtual Domain. Just checking... http://www.foo.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi You will see 'advertised' lists for that virtual domain only. You can choose to advertise a list in Privacy Options. 5. Visit the List Information Page at the virtual domain. You are done! http://www.foo.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/thelist ______ Yes, Problems ______ Actually I'm amazed at just how few problems there are. The ones I note here have probably already been discussed on this list... 1. The 'Evil Twin' List Info Page http://www.otherdomain/mailman/listinfo.cgi/thelist Unfortunately, on my system, I can type in any of my virtual domains and get any list page. They are not 'advertised' but the URLs will work if typed in. Luckily the page that is displayed will still remember it's proper domain, and all of the links are right. If you can fix this, let me know how. 2. Namespace problems. You can't have samelist at foo.com and samelist at fubar.com. They are working on that. Don't use names that are even close to each other because of this, and the 'evil twin' problem above. 3. Wishlist Item: Web-based new list creator should be virtual domain sensitive. New lists are all created at the main domain, the list creator should be virtual domain sensitive. If I create a list from a virtual URL: http://lists.foo.com/mailman/create.cgi I'd like the preferred hostname reflect that virtual URL (lists.foo.com). But it doesn't. So, the first thing you have to do for new lists is immediately edit the preferred hostname. you wrote: >I'm sure this has been asked a thousand times, and I have scanned the >archives a bit, but there is so many fragments and pieces. I'm amazed >that the FAQ or the mailman website don't give specific detailed >instructions how to accomplish this task. Why is that?!! Grr. > >Can someone please point me at a page or thread or something that tells >me step by step how to set up various mail lists with different domains >on the same server. I am currently running RedHat 8.0 with >"mailman-2.0.13-3" rpm installed. I have some lists that work just fine >already, and I'd like to switch some of them over if possible. From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 17 09:44:03 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:44:03 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] need help with mm-handler contrib In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030117080705.030fb300@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 01:01 17/01/2003, Jeff Schoby wrote: >Hi all, newly converted majordomo heathen here.... > >I -think- I followed the instructions right.....however, for some >reason when I create the list in the web interface, the aliases don't >get added to the virtual user table and emails to the new list I create >bounce back as 'user unknown' The point of mm-handler is that aliases for lists do not have to be added to any file. The mm-handler script that is called by sendmail to deliver essentially all the mail it receives looks in Mailman's runtime directory structure for certain files associated with valid lists to determine whether the target mail alias is valid. If it is the mm-handler calls the Mailman delivery script. >let me know what info you guys need. using slackware 8.x with sendmail >and the latest stable mailman, python, and apache Although I used mm-handler I'm no sendmail expert and expertise with sendmail is what I found to be at a premium in getting it working. A couple of questions you could look at: 1. Does the mail log being generated by sendmail show that the mm-handler mailer is actually being used by sendmail in an attempt to deliver. If not then that is your first problem. I found I had to do a bit a lot of fiddling to get sendmail set up on my system, including having to hack the m4 code that generates the sendmail.cf, before sendmail started calling mm-handler. 2. Did you set the $MMWRAPPER and $MMLISTDIR variables in the mm-handler perl script that tell it where to find the Mailman's runtime directory structure. You should be aware that the way mm-handler interacts with the mailman delivery scripts is inadequate in its error handling and there is a clear and present danger of mail being silently dropped on the floor if the mailman delivery script fails. This is not good; been their and still got the scars from the beating I took as a consequence. The author of the mm-handler contrib knows of this and may have developed an enhanced script. I do not want to bias you but there is an alternative version of this which implements the sendmail mailer in Python and is more robust in its error handling. This is posted as Mailman patch #644810 (and a precursor patch #644797). Patch #644810 includes a file README.SENDMAIL.mailer which may help you. It includes information about steps I had to take when getting mm-handler working before I decided to do it in Python, From greg at gregwestin.com Fri Jan 17 14:45:33 2003 From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:45:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no public lists in listinfo after move In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I know this has come up before (maybe not the same issue, but probably - where listinfo doesn't work but admin does) - try searching through the archives of this list. Sorry, but I don't remember what the solution to this is (despite the fact that it happened to me, once!) Greg On Friday, January 17, 2003, at 02:33 AM, bsweeney at physics.ucsb.edu wrote: > Hello all- > > I'm new to this list but have been using mailman successfully for quite > some time. I have run into a snag, however. > > I'm changing mailman servers (going from RedHat 7.1 to RedHat 7.3), and > near as I can tell all I needed to do > was copy the mailman folder over to the new server, make sure the > apache > and mailman GIDs remained the same, symlink the wrapper into > /etc/smrsh, > and then feed in the crontab stuff. I did all this, and everything > seems > to work except when I go to the listinfo page, I don't get any public > mailing lists there. If I know the name of the list, I can get to it, > and > if I go to the admin page all the public lists are listed there, but > not > on the listinfo page. Now on that machine if I give the apache user a > shell account and su as it, then run the listinfo script manually, it > does > print out an html page with all the expected mailman lists. Weird eh? > > I emptied my browser so I know it's not the cache. I know the apache > ScriptAlias lines are correct because all the other stuff works ok (I > can > even login as an admin, or view a lists archives). > > Any suggestions on where to look next? > > Thanks in advance, > Brian > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: greg at gregwestin.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > greg%40gregwestin.com > -- http://www.gregwestin.com Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php From rhempel at terra.cl Fri Jan 17 16:13:08 2003 From: rhempel at terra.cl (Ricardo Hempel) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:13:08 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] a basic question Message-ID: <001601c19ec1$97d48a90$28704da4@prohost> Hello friends, I'm a beginner using mailman, my english is not very good and I'm new in this list. I have a question, ... I It seems that I erase one part of the code of the html page of "General List Information Page" , where can I recover ? , there's a template or something like that ? I'm using Mailman 2.0.6 Thanks Ricardo Hempel From bryanf at samurai.com Fri Jan 17 19:02:04 2003 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:02:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] a basic question In-Reply-To: <001601c19ec1$97d48a90$28704da4@prohost> Message-ID: On Wednesday, January 16, 2002, at 02:11 PM, Ricardo Hempel wrote: > Hello friends, I'm a beginner using mailman, my english is not very > good and I'm new in this list. I have a question, ... I It seems that > I erase one part of the code of the html page of "General List > Information Page" , where can I recover ? , there's a template or > something like that ? I'm using Mailman 2.0.6 ~mailman/templates/ should have the default templates. Bryan From bryanf at samurai.com Fri Jan 17 19:43:57 2003 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:43:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm2.1 digest subject line Message-ID: Howdy, Anyone know why the format of the digest subject line changed? In 2.0.x it was, for example: Trawler-world-list digest, Vol 5 #570 - 21 msgs In 2.1, it changed to: Trawler-world-list Digest, Vol 5, Issue 571 So... why the change? Thanks, Bryan From tmaddox at thereinc.com Fri Jan 17 20:10:21 2003 From: tmaddox at thereinc.com (Tom Maddox) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:10:21 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Genaliases script In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+tmaddox=thereinc.com at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+tmaddox=thereinc.com at python.org]On Behalf > Of David Gibbs > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:05 AM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Genaliases script > > > "Tom Maddox" wrote in message > news:ALEEIFGHNDFECPGCCOMDGEJFCAAA.tmaddox at thereinc.com... > > I just recently tried to upgrade to Mailman 2.1, but I must have been > doing > > something wrong with genaliases. Genaliases spits out plaintext output > > about the changes that need to be made, but it doesn't actually > make them > or > > regenerate the aliases.db file. Sorry if this is a ridiculous question > that > > reveals my ignorance, but what else needs to be done to get the > aliases to > > work? Do I need to post-process the genaliases output with another > script? > > What MTA are you using? Sendmail? > > If so, then you have to make the changes manually ... I think if you use > postfix the changes are made automatically. > > david I guess the next obvious question is, has anyone written a script to do this? If so, can I steal it? Thanks, Tom From tmaddox at thereinc.com Fri Jan 17 20:18:47 2003 From: tmaddox at thereinc.com (Tom Maddox) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:18:47 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail being mysteriously redirected Message-ID: Hi all, Yet another strange problem here. Apparently, the config for one of our lists has been mysteriously supplanted with the config for another list. I've rebuilt the old config, but now mail for the one list is still going to the other. Any ideas? Thanks, Tom From jdecarlo at mitre.org Fri Jan 17 20:32:21 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:32:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to remove references to the web interface on emails? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E285A45.3080703@mitre.org> John, I am doing something very similar. So far I have just gone into the templates/en directory and edited a lot of the text files to remove references to web URLs. Specifically, I edited: postack.txt postauth.txt postheld.txt suscribeack.txt unsub.txt unsubauth.txt The trickiest issue I have come across is having the moderator approve messages via email. Mailman 2.1 sends the email with two attachements - the original email to approve and the email to respond to. Some people are having problems getting to the email to respond to in a useful way. So it is cut and paste of Subject: and To: lines. Hopefully we can gather enough info on this to start an FAQ entry. John_Minkle at huntalternatives.org wrote: > I am running Mailman behind a firewall. It works GREAT!. Is there a way to > remove references to the web interface on emails so I am not pointing > people to a machine they can not get to? We would like to use the web > interface internally and for now that is the only option. > > -John -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From apaterra at andrew.cmu.edu Fri Jan 17 20:34:55 2003 From: apaterra at andrew.cmu.edu (Tony Paterra) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:34:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] slightly off topic Message-ID: but welcome messages aren't being sent out to users when i subscribe them to a new list. i think i have it tracked down to a sendmail problem, is there anyone out there who understands why the command-line switch... [bash]:sendmail -bd throws the following error: "Invalid operation mode d" thanks, tony From john at io.com Fri Jan 17 21:09:59 2003 From: john at io.com (John Buttery) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:09:59 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] a basic question In-Reply-To: <001601c19ec1$97d48a90$28704da4@prohost> References: <001601c19ec1$97d48a90$28704da4@prohost> Message-ID: <20030117200959.GB10570@io.com> * Ricardo Hempel [2002-01-16 20:11:25 +0100]: Hey, your clock is a year slow. :) By the way, I just sent this message (this is the second sending of it) and got it bounced by the list because "The content type was not specifically allowed"...I suppose it has something to do with the PGP/MIME. This is just an FYI in case it's an unintended side-effect; if the list admins consider it correct behaviour then I can disable the signature when posting (although I consider it a step backwards :). By the way, this message is not officially from me. :) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From apaterra at andrew.cmu.edu Fri Jan 17 22:05:20 2003 From: apaterra at andrew.cmu.edu (Tony Paterra) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:05:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] testing my mailman install... Message-ID: so i have mailman installed and following the INSTALL file i get to where i am creating a test list. after i set up the list and it spits out the new aliases i am not receiving an instruction email from the machine (i am entering my email address as the list admin). also when i visit the webserver everything works well. i can add and delete members of the list, but there is no 'welcome mail' being sent out. i am running this on a redhat 7.1 system with sendmail 8.11.6-2.7.1 as the MTA. From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Sat Jan 18 00:02:38 2003 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:02:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] testing my mailman install... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 17, 2003 at 16:05, Tony Paterra wrote: >am creating a test list. after i set up the list and it spits out the new >aliases i am not receiving an instruction email from the machine (i am >entering my email address as the list admin). also when i visit the >webserver everything works well. i can add and delete members of the list, >but there is no 'welcome mail' being sent out. > >i am running this on a redhat 7.1 system with sendmail 8.11.6-2.7.1 as the >MTA. Put the aliases in /etc/aliases? Run newaliases? -- Satya. Bones: He's dead Jim! Jim: No kidding !! From bragon at zapeng.com Sat Jan 18 00:00:35 2003 From: bragon at zapeng.com (Bryan Ragon) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:00:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix / ldap / mailman (user unknown in local) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: To answer my question, the directions I had for my virtual domain setup told me to put the following line in master.cf: #local_recipient_maps = $alias_maps unix:passwd.byname $virtual_mailbox_maps Doing various searches online and in documentation, I ran across something that said to change it to: local_recipient_maps = Which makes sense. The errors I was receiving were about the local user. I left it like this and tested sending emails to a valid user, a valid mailing list, an invalid user, and an invalid mailing list. Everything appears to be working or bouncing back correctly. Does anyone know of any side effects that I haven't thought of by changing this? Thanks, Bryan -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+bragon=zapeng.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+bragon=zapeng.com at python.org]On Behalf Of Bryan Ragon Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:56 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix / ldap / mailman (user unknown in local) I am trying to setup a mail server running Postfix virtual domains, with domain and user info stored in a ldap backend. I tried to follow the directions in the postfix-to-mailman.py file without luck. I like the idea of using that script because then I don't need to worry about creating aliases (according to it's documentation). From lists.mailman at jules.de Sat Jan 18 00:27:58 2003 From: lists.mailman at jules.de (Jan Siml) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 00:27:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail archive and attachments Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030118002752.009f4a80@eris.jules.de> Hello Group! I have a problem with the archives produced by pipermail version 0.09. If the default language for the list is english, everything works fine and pipermail produces an archive with correct ../attachments/.. urls. Like this: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Zwischenpr=FCfung.doc?= Type: application/msword Size: 720700 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://dadada.de/mailman/private/test/attachments/20030113/3ee49d72/iso-8859-1QZwischenprFCfung.dot But if i choose german as default language, pipermail produces an archive with no ../attachments/.. urls. Like this: ?bersprungener Inhalt vom Typ multipart/alternative-------------- n?chster Teil -------------- )?j??jxZ?????z|.? z?!?]z?Cj??????? References: Message-ID: <1042854742.1610.0.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Check your aliases files. On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 14:18, Tom Maddox wrote: > Hi all, > > Yet another strange problem here. Apparently, the config for one of our > lists has been mysteriously supplanted with the config for another list. > I've rebuilt the old config, but now mail for the one list is still going to > the other. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Tom > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From tmaddox at thereinc.com Sat Jan 18 02:54:56 2003 From: tmaddox at thereinc.com (Tom Maddox) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:54:56 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail being mysteriously redirected In-Reply-To: <1042854742.1610.0.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: > Check your aliases files. The proper list is receiving email. The *config* settings are wrong. From paul at fpen.org Sat Jan 18 08:09:55 2003 From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 01:09:55 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with a regular expression Message-ID: I know this is a simple question but I don't have the knowledge to figure it out. I am running RedHat 8.0 and which came with Mailman 2.0.13. It suggests adding the following to the httpd.conf file: # Uncomment the following line, replacing www.example.com with your server's # name, to redirect queries to /mailman to the listinfo page (recommended). # RedirectMatch /mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo That used to work fine. I just upgraded to Mailman 2.1. I created the list "mailman" as instructed at the end of section 4 of the INSTALL document but cannot get to the administrative page http://www.example.com/mailman/admin/mailman or the list overview page http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo/mailman because "RedirectMatch" thinks it is http://www.example.com/mailman and just redirects it the top level listinfo page. I am aware that I have two options: 1. Rename the "mailman" list 2. Remove the "RedirectMatch" statement from the httpd.conf file. Is there a third? I tried fiddling with the regular expression, but I just do not know what I am doing. Any help would be appreciated. Paul -- Paul Kleeberg, M.D. O o paul at fpen.org Family Physicians' E-Net -+---+- Voice: 612-840-3744 5025 Mulcare Drive |_o_| Family Practice & Columbia Heights, MN 55421 USA / \|/ \ Information Services From greg at gregwestin.com Sat Jan 18 15:46:31 2003 From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 09:46:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with a regular expression In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think what you want to do to fix this is add a carat ("^") before the first slash: RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo That way, it only catches it if "/mailman" occurs at the beginning of the string. Personally, I use a little more inclusive regular expression, because I want it to also redirect any requests for the top level (http://lists.example.com) to the listinfo page: RewriteRule ^[/]{0,1}(mailman[/]{0,1}){0,1}$ /mailman/listinfo [L,R] I claim to be no master of regular expressions, though... because wow that looks ugly. That notwithstanding, I think my advice on your situation is correct. Greg On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 02:09 AM, Paul Kleeberg wrote: > I know this is a simple question but I don't have the knowledge to > figure it out. > > I am running RedHat 8.0 and which came with Mailman 2.0.13. It > suggests adding the following to the httpd.conf file: > > # Uncomment the following line, replacing www.example.com with your > server's > # name, to redirect queries to /mailman to the listinfo page > (recommended). > # RedirectMatch /mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo > > That used to work fine. I just upgraded to Mailman 2.1. I created > the list "mailman" as instructed at the end of section 4 of the > INSTALL document but cannot get to the administrative page > http://www.example.com/mailman/admin/mailman or the list overview page > http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo/mailman because > "RedirectMatch" thinks it is http://www.example.com/mailman and just > redirects it the top level listinfo page. > > I am aware that I have two options: > 1. Rename the "mailman" list > 2. Remove the "RedirectMatch" statement from the httpd.conf file. > > Is there a third? I tried fiddling with the regular expression, but I > just do not know what I am doing. Any help would be appreciated. > > Paul > -- > Paul Kleeberg, M.D. O o paul at fpen.org > Family Physicians' E-Net -+---+- Voice: 612-840-3744 > 5025 Mulcare Drive |_o_| Family Practice & > Columbia Heights, MN 55421 USA / \|/ \ Information Services > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: greg at gregwestin.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > greg%40gregwestin.com > -- http://www.gregwestin.com Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php From greg at gregwestin.com Sat Jan 18 15:52:33 2003 From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 09:52:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with a regular expression In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <79A3C6A0-2AF4-11D7-B9A6-003065C03184@gregwestin.com> Just in case anyone was actually thinking of using that regexp I sent, my limited knowledge tells me that this would be a slightly better incarnation: RewriteRule ^/(mailman[/]{0,1}){0,1}$ /mailman/listinfo [L,R] Greg On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 09:46 AM, Greg Westin wrote: > I think what you want to do to fix this is add a carat ("^") before > the first slash: > RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo > > That way, it only catches it if "/mailman" occurs at the beginning of > the string. > > Personally, I use a little more inclusive regular expression, because > I want it to also redirect any requests for the top level > (http://lists.example.com) to the listinfo page: > RewriteRule ^[/]{0,1}(mailman[/]{0,1}){0,1}$ /mailman/listinfo > [L,R] > > I claim to be no master of regular expressions, though... because wow > that looks ugly. That notwithstanding, I think my advice on your > situation is correct. > > Greg > > On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 02:09 AM, Paul Kleeberg wrote: > >> I know this is a simple question but I don't have the knowledge to >> figure it out. >> >> I am running RedHat 8.0 and which came with Mailman 2.0.13. It >> suggests adding the following to the httpd.conf file: >> >> # Uncomment the following line, replacing www.example.com with your >> server's >> # name, to redirect queries to /mailman to the listinfo page >> (recommended). >> # RedirectMatch /mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo >> >> That used to work fine. I just upgraded to Mailman 2.1. I created >> the list "mailman" as instructed at the end of section 4 of the >> INSTALL document but cannot get to the administrative page >> http://www.example.com/mailman/admin/mailman or the list overview >> page http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo/mailman because >> "RedirectMatch" thinks it is http://www.example.com/mailman and just >> redirects it the top level listinfo page. >> >> I am aware that I have two options: >> 1. Rename the "mailman" list >> 2. Remove the "RedirectMatch" statement from the httpd.conf file. >> >> Is there a third? I tried fiddling with the regular expression, but >> I just do not know what I am doing. Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Paul >> -- Paul Kleeberg, M.D. O o paul at fpen.org >> Family Physicians' E-Net -+---+- Voice: 612-840-3744 >> 5025 Mulcare Drive |_o_| Family Practice & >> Columbia Heights, MN 55421 USA / \|/ \ Information Services >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> Searchable Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >> This message was sent to: greg at gregwestin.com >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ >> greg%40gregwestin.com >> > -- > http://www.gregwestin.com > Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: greg at gregwestin.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > greg%40gregwestin.com > -- http://www.gregwestin.com Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php From rpyne at kinfolk.org Sat Jan 18 19:46:27 2003 From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard B. Pyne) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:46:27 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix style virtual domains Message-ID: <3E293E93.11570.CFA7C9@localhost> Can someone point me in the right direction to make a patch. I am using Postfix virtual domains, and I need to make a patch to make newlist add '@localhost' to the end of each entry in virtual-mailman as in: default entry: mylist at mydomin.tld mylist needs to be: mylist at mydomain.tld mylist at localhost Otherwise, postfix 2.0.0.2 rewrites the address and sends it to mylist@$mydomain, which gets sent off to another machine instead of being delivered locally and processed through aliases to send it to mailman. Thanks, --Richard ------------------------------ Richard B. Pyne, NZ7K rpyne at kinfolk.org http://pyne.kinfolk.org/rbp2 From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Sat Jan 18 20:15:31 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:15:31 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with a regular expression In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030118174651.039a5440@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 14:46 18/01/2003, Greg Westin wrote: >I think what you want to do to fix this is add a carat ("^") before the >first slash: >RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo > >That way, it only catches it if "/mailman" occurs at the beginning of >the string. > >Personally, I use a little more inclusive regular expression, because I >want it to also redirect any requests for the top level >(http://lists.example.com) to the listinfo page: > RewriteRule ^[/]{0,1}(mailman[/]{0,1}){0,1}$ /mailman/listinfo >[L,R] What's wrong with: RedirectMatch permanent ^/mailman(|/)$ /mailman/listinfo or, if you have mod_rewrite and the rewrite engine on: RewriteRule ^/mailman(|/)$ /mailman/listinfo [R,L] or even better: RewriteRule ^/mailman(|/)$ /mailman/listinfo [PT] The latter has the advantage, courtesy of the PT flag, of delivering the /mailman/listinfo page immediately instead of making the browser do a second request (each time it visits) to follow the redirection response produced by the initial request, if that request's URI path was /mailman or /mailman/ >I claim to be no master of regular expressions, though... because wow >that looks ugly. That notwithstanding, I think my advice on your >situation is correct. > >Greg > >On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 02:09 AM, Paul Kleeberg wrote: > >>I know this is a simple question but I don't have the knowledge to >>figure it out. >> >>I am running RedHat 8.0 and which came with Mailman 2.0.13. It >>suggests adding the following to the httpd.conf file: >> >># Uncomment the following line, replacing www.example.com with your >>server's >># name, to redirect queries to /mailman to the listinfo page >>(recommended). >># RedirectMatch /mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo >> >>That used to work fine. I just upgraded to Mailman 2.1. I created >>the list "mailman" as instructed at the end of section 4 of the >>INSTALL document but cannot get to the administrative page >>http://www.example.com/mailman/admin/mailman or the list overview page >>http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo/mailman because >>"RedirectMatch" thinks it is http://www.example.com/mailman and just >>redirects it the top level listinfo page. >> >>I am aware that I have two options: >> 1. Rename the "mailman" list >> 2. Remove the "RedirectMatch" statement from the httpd.conf file. >> >>Is there a third? I tried fiddling with the regular expression, but I >>just do not know what I am doing. Any help would be appreciated. >> >>Paul >>-- >>Paul Kleeberg, M.D. O o paul at fpen.org >>Family Physicians' E-Net -+---+- Voice: 612-840-3744 >>5025 Mulcare Drive |_o_| Family Practice & >>Columbia Heights, MN 55421 USA / \|/ \ Information Services >> >>------------------------------------------------------ >>Mailman-Users mailing list >>Mailman-Users at python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >>Searchable Archives: >>http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >>This message was sent to: greg at gregwestin.com >>Unsubscribe or change your options at >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ greg%40gregwestin.com >-- >http://www.gregwestin.com >Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.demon.co.uk From greg at gregwestin.com Sun Jan 19 01:39:15 2003 From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:39:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with a regular expression In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030118174651.039a5440@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <6FB62BC8-2B46-11D7-ADA2-003065C03184@gregwestin.com> I don't know what the I or | or whatever that is does - I assume it does the same thing as {0,1}. But the important difference between the rule I use: RewriteRule ^/(mailman[/]{0,1}){0,1}$ /mailman/listinfo [L,R] and the ones you suggested is that mine also redirects requests for / to /mailman/listinfo. You may or may not want that functionality, of course. Again, I don't claim to be an expert in any of this stuff... considering your comments, perhaps this would be the best for what I want to do: RewriteRule ^/(mailman(|/)){0,1}$ /mailman/listinfo [PT] I don't know if you can use nested parentheses, and I don't know if the PT flag is something I'd want, but whatever works... Greg On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 02:15 PM, Richard Barrett wrote: > At 14:46 18/01/2003, Greg Westin wrote: >> I think what you want to do to fix this is add a carat ("^") before >> the >> first slash: >> RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo >> >> That way, it only catches it if "/mailman" occurs at the beginning of >> the string. >> >> Personally, I use a little more inclusive regular expression, because >> I >> want it to also redirect any requests for the top level >> (http://lists.example.com) to the listinfo page: >> RewriteRule ^[/]{0,1}(mailman[/]{0,1}){0,1}$ /mailman/listinfo >> [L,R] > > What's wrong with: > > RedirectMatch permanent ^/mailman(|/)$ /mailman/listinfo > > or, if you have mod_rewrite and the rewrite engine on: > > RewriteRule ^/mailman(|/)$ /mailman/listinfo [R,L] > > or even better: > > RewriteRule ^/mailman(|/)$ /mailman/listinfo [PT] > > The latter has the advantage, courtesy of the PT flag, of delivering > the /mailman/listinfo page immediately instead of making the browser > do a second request (each time it visits) to follow the redirection > response produced by the initial request, if that request's URI path > was /mailman or /mailman/ > >> I claim to be no master of regular expressions, though... because wow >> that looks ugly. That notwithstanding, I think my advice on your >> situation is correct. >> >> Greg >> >> On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 02:09 AM, Paul Kleeberg wrote: >> >>> I know this is a simple question but I don't have the knowledge to >>> figure it out. >>> >>> I am running RedHat 8.0 and which came with Mailman 2.0.13. It >>> suggests adding the following to the httpd.conf file: >>> >>> # Uncomment the following line, replacing www.example.com with your >>> server's >>> # name, to redirect queries to /mailman to the listinfo page >>> (recommended). >>> # RedirectMatch /mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo >>> >>> That used to work fine. I just upgraded to Mailman 2.1. I created >>> the list "mailman" as instructed at the end of section 4 of the >>> INSTALL document but cannot get to the administrative page >>> http://www.example.com/mailman/admin/mailman or the list overview >>> page >>> http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo/mailman because >>> "RedirectMatch" thinks it is http://www.example.com/mailman and just >>> redirects it the top level listinfo page. >>> >>> I am aware that I have two options: >>> 1. Rename the "mailman" list >>> 2. Remove the "RedirectMatch" statement from the httpd.conf file. >>> >>> Is there a third? I tried fiddling with the regular expression, but >>> I >>> just do not know what I am doing. Any help would be appreciated. >>> >>> Paul >>> -- >>> Paul Kleeberg, M.D. O o paul at fpen.org >>> Family Physicians' E-Net -+---+- Voice: 612-840-3744 >>> 5025 Mulcare Drive |_o_| Family Practice & >>> Columbia Heights, MN 55421 USA / \|/ \ Information Services >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>> Mailman-Users mailing list >>> Mailman-Users at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >>> Searchable Archives: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >>> >>> This message was sent to: greg at gregwestin.com >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ >>> greg%40gregwestin.com >> -- >> http://www.gregwestin.com >> Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> Searchable Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >> This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ >> r.barrett%40openinfo.demon.co.uk > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: greg at gregwestin.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > greg%40gregwestin.com > -- http://www.gregwestin.com Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php From barry at python.org Fri Jan 17 01:07:37 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:07:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailinglists for multiple domains on one server References: <3E267A4F.22070.3C38EA@localhost> <3E26808F.5894.54A23B@localhost> Message-ID: <15911.18761.933102.627368@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "RBP" == Richard B Pyne writes: RBP> However, the create cgi will not permit including the RBP> @dom.ain in the list name and therefore defaults to the RBP> default domain (which mailman appears to allow only to be the RBP> domain listed in the PTR dns record for the IP address of the RBP> machine). Not true. New lists will inherit the domain that you used to visit the create cgi. E.g. If I go to http://mail.python.org/mailman/create to create my new list, it'll show up in the python.org domain. If instead I use http://lists.zope.org/mailman/create, it'll show up in the zope.org domain. -Barry From barry at python.org Fri Jan 17 01:36:44 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:36:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] user feedback on plain digests References: Message-ID: <15911.20508.671352.38877@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "BF" == Bryan Fullerton writes: BF> When I get a chance later today I'll be trying the patch Tokio BF> Kikuchi sent to mailman-developers - hopefully it will resolve BF> the excess headers issue. I'm off the net at the moment so I can't look at the patch, but I can guess what it does. If I'm right will it bother folks that reducing the number of headers in the plain text digest will also reduce the number of headers in the MIME digest? One of my goals for the digester was that either digest could be burst and the individual messages would look exactly as if they had arrived independently. Or at least, they'd be useable to do follow ups back to the list. Maybe that's unreasonable for plain text digests. If so, the current code may need a more invasive surgery. -Barry From barry at python.org Fri Jan 17 01:28:20 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:28:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can users request old digests? References: Message-ID: <15911.20004.509165.224979@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "EL" == Ed Leafe writes: EL> I recently received a request from a user who receives and EL> archives the digest version of the list, and due to ISP EL> problems he recently missed a few issues. He has used lists EL> where you can send email to the list requesting specific EL> digest back issues; is such a capability part of Mailman? No, but it's a good idea. Please submit a feature request. -Barry From barry at python.org Sat Jan 18 19:27:25 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 13:27:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sub-lists and authorized posting References: Message-ID: <15913.40077.511414.381861@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "NN" == Nathan Neulinger writes: NN> I managed to make a patch to do this based on the NN> "list_exploder" patch that is in the sourceforge patches area NN> for 2.0. NN> I've got a patch against 2.1 if anyone is NN> interested. Basically lets you put: NN> +list at thisdomain NN> in the *_these_nonmembers boxes, and it will expand that to NN> the contents of that list when checking for authorization to NN> post/etc. Please submit a SF patch for this. It sounds like a useful patch! Maybe it'll make it into MM2.2. -Barry From barry at python.org Fri Jan 17 00:59:21 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:59:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] spam filter References: <3E26CF4C.45A77E8C@isu.edu> Message-ID: <15911.18265.308052.385437@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "KW" == Kory Wheatley writes: KW> I would like to discard any email that comes from the from KW> address "big at boss.com". In MM2.1, this is easy. Add big at boss.com to your Privacy->Sender filters->discard_these_nonmembers. In MM2.0 the best you can do is catch "From: big at boss.com" and manually discard them. -Barry From barry at python.org Sat Jan 18 19:59:53 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 13:59:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives in HTML? References: <013501c2bc44$61abeb10$fa010a0a@HALE.local> Message-ID: <15913.42025.488377.178814@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "JH" == Jim Hale writes: JH> I started a mailing list for 'Blinkies' and 99% of the JH> messages that come thru are in HTML. They come thru my list JH> just fine, but the archives are majorly ugly. Is there a way JH> to have the HTML messages display in HTML in the archives? JH> Using 2.1 Release. :) While others have given good advice about mhonarc, you might also want to look at the ARCHIVE_HTML_SANITIZER variable in Defaults.py. It controls what Pipermail does with html attachements. -Barry From barry at python.org Sat Jan 18 20:31:23 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 14:31:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BCC allowed? References: <200301081406.00698.holtje@freeside.dnsalias.org> Message-ID: <15913.43915.933452.216574@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "CH" == Carl Holtje writes: CH> While the power of denying a list to be specified in a BCC CH> field is certainly undeniable, I'd like the ability to accept CH> a post that has the list BCCd if the sender is a list member CH> -- is this possible? For MM2.1, look under Privacy -> Recipient filters. You might want to edit either require_explicit_destination or acceptable_aliases. -Barry From barry at python.org Sat Jan 18 20:26:51 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 14:26:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailpasswds References: Message-ID: <15913.43643.522983.875248@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "sp" == sean pambianco writes: sp> Is there anyway to run the mailpasswds cron jobs for just one sp> list as opposed for all lists on my mailman server? cron/mailpasswds -l onelist See -h for details. -Barry From barry at python.org Sat Jan 18 21:43:06 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 15:43:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] misfeature/bug in MM 2.1 References: Message-ID: <15913.48218.789796.361464@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "JAE" == Jeff A Earickson writes: JAE> In my study of my mailing lists today (both new in MM 2.1, JAE> and upgraded from 2.0.13), I made the sad discovery that JAE> generic_nonmember_action = 0 JAE> for **all** of my lists. The "bend over and take spam" JAE> setting. I noticed that DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION is JAE> set to one in Mailman/Defaults.py, but I don't think this JAE> setting works properly. If it did work properly, I would JAE> argue that the default should be 2 (reject), not 1 (hold for JAE> administrator). Why should the list administrator be JAE> bothered with having to tend admin requests from spammers and JAE> other idiots? Mailman isn't an anti-spam program, although it has some modest anti-spam defenses. Since there are lots of anti-spam programs out there, it should be pretty easy to install a good anti-spam program upstream of Mailman. I just gave a talk at the MIT spam conference about our approach and will be putting our slides up on the web somewhere soon (probably on spamconference.org -- not sure yet). BTW, on the train to said conference, I got working a prototype integration of Mailman and spambayes, and I'll probably be checking this into cvs when I get back . I'd label it as an interesting experiment, but whether it'll be useful remains to be seen. I doubt it will eliminate the need for other upstream spam catching tools. -Barry From nneul at umr.edu Sun Jan 19 02:16:50 2003 From: nneul at umr.edu (Nathan Neulinger) Date: 18 Jan 2003 19:16:50 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sub-lists and authorized posting In-Reply-To: <15913.40077.511414.381861@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <15913.40077.511414.381861@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <1042939010.5311.96.camel@cessna.rollanet.org> Done. Added as patch #670522 On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 12:27, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > >>>>> "NN" == Nathan Neulinger writes: > > NN> I managed to make a patch to do this based on the > NN> "list_exploder" patch that is in the sourceforge patches area > NN> for 2.0. > > NN> I've got a patch against 2.1 if anyone is > NN> interested. Basically lets you put: > > NN> +list at thisdomain > > NN> in the *_these_nonmembers boxes, and it will expand that to > NN> the contents of that list when checking for authorization to > NN> post/etc. > > Please submit a SF patch for this. It sounds like a useful patch! > Maybe it'll make it into MM2.2. > > -Barry -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Nathan Neulinger EMail: nneul at umr.edu University of Missouri - Rolla Phone: (573) 341-4841 Computing Services Fax: (573) 341-4216 From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Sun Jan 19 02:35:29 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 10:35:29 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] user feedback on plain digests References: <15911.20508.671352.38877@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <3E2A00E1.1010408@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, Barry. Barry A. Warsaw wrote: >>>>>>"BF" == Bryan Fullerton writes: >>>>> > > BF> When I get a chance later today I'll be trying the patch Tokio > BF> Kikuchi sent to mailman-developers - hopefully it will resolve > BF> the excess headers issue. > > I'm off the net at the moment so I can't look at the patch, but I can > guess what it does. If I'm right will it bother folks that > reducing the number of headers in the plain text digest will also > reduce the number of headers in the MIME digest? No. I didn't touch the MIME part of the digester. Only plain text headers are reduced (and cofigurable in mm_cfg.py). > > One of my goals for the digester was that either digest could be burst > and the individual messages would look exactly as if they had arrived > independently. Or at least, they'd be useable to do follow ups back > to the list. Maybe that's unreasonable for plain text digests. If > so, the current code may need a more invasive surgery. > After I submitted the patch, I had a chance to review Scrubber.py. I think I have re-invented a scrubber with less capablity. Maybe we should use the Scrubber.py for plain text digests. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From paul at fpen.org Sun Jan 19 04:30:01 2003 From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 21:30:01 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with content filtering Message-ID: Thank you all for the help on the regular expression. Again I am probably missing the obvious but it is beyond my skill level to decipher. I would like only plain text messages to go out to the list, converting non-text messages to plain text and stripping attachments. I am not sure if that is possible. But I have run into a problem: I am using RedHat 8.0 and have upgraded from Mailman 2.0.13 to 2.1. In order to keep file locations the same, I ran configure with --prefix=/var/mailman --with-cgi-gid=apache --with-mail-gid=mail. In the /etc/smrch directory I created ln -s ../../var/mailman/mail/mailman mailman. Things appear to work fine until I turn on the content filter, left the black list blank, added "text/html" to the white list, turned on the convert text/html to plain text and send a message of Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" to the list. A message was sent out to the subscribers with the appropriate subject line and list-specific header lines but this is what appeared in the body of the message: /root/hPnn4E: Permission denied Looking at the /var/log/mailman/error file I see: Jan 18 18:10:04 2003 (23871) HTML->text/plain error: 256 Suggestions? Paul -- Paul Kleeberg paul at fpen.org From bryanf at samurai.com Sun Jan 19 04:47:31 2003 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 22:47:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] user feedback on plain digests In-Reply-To: <15911.20508.671352.38877@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 07:36 PM, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > One of my goals for the digester was that either digest could be burst > and the individual messages would look exactly as if they had arrived > independently. Or at least, they'd be useable to do follow ups back > to the list. Maybe that's unreasonable for plain text digests. If > so, the current code may need a more invasive surgery. Sounds fine for the general case as long as I can (preferably easily) customize my specific case to only display specific headers in a specific order. Which is what I have now with the patch from Tokio Kikuchi. Bryan From david at midrange.com Sun Jan 19 04:53:33 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 21:53:33 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Problems with content filtering References: Message-ID: "Paul Kleeberg" wrote in message news:a05200f09ba4fc58a4544@[192.168.1.12]... > A message was sent out to the subscribers with the appropriate > subject line and list-specific header lines but this is what appeared > in the body of the message: > /root/hPnn4E: Permission denied Paul: I ran into the EXACT same problem ... it has something to do with where lynx creates work files ... I don't know what it is. I solved the problem by changing the HTML to Plaintext command to links... Download links from http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/links/ and install it. Then add/change the following in mm_cfg.py ... HTML_TO_PLAIN_TEXT_COMMAND = '/usr/local/bin/links -dump %(filename)s' ... and restart qrunner. Works great. david From bryanf at samurai.com Sun Jan 19 05:14:47 2003 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:14:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] user feedback on plain digests In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8C281B78-2B64-11D7-9B03-000393013B04@samurai.com> On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 10:47 PM, Bryan Fullerton wrote: > On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 07:36 PM, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > >> One of my goals for the digester was that either digest could be burst >> and the individual messages would look exactly as if they had arrived >> independently. Or at least, they'd be useable to do follow ups back >> to the list. Maybe that's unreasonable for plain text digests. If >> so, the current code may need a more invasive surgery. > > Sounds fine for the general case as long as I can (preferably easily) > customize my specific case to only display specific headers in a > specific order. Which is what I have now with the patch from Tokio > Kikuchi. Erm, for plain text digests that is. :) Bryan From jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org Sun Jan 19 05:56:37 2003 From: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org (Jim Hale) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 22:56:37 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives in HTML? In-Reply-To: <15913.42025.488377.178814@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <014101c2bf77$260d1440$fa010a0a@HALE.local> Thanks Barry - I already got MHonArc running - just need to learn how to customize how the screens Look. :) Jim Hale --- 'The OS Tells The PC What To Do With Itself" - Me, 1990 --- Visit Our MIDI & Digital Audio Website at http://hale.dyndns.org -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+jim-ml=halemail.dyndns.org at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jim-ml=halemail.dyndns.org at python.org] On Behalf Of Barry A. Warsaw Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 1:00 PM To: Jim Hale Cc: Mailing List - Mailman Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives in HTML? >>>>> "JH" == Jim Hale writes: JH> I started a mailing list for 'Blinkies' and 99% of the JH> messages that come thru are in HTML. They come thru my list JH> just fine, but the archives are majorly ugly. Is there a way JH> to have the HTML messages display in HTML in the archives? JH> Using 2.1 Release. :) While others have given good advice about mhonarc, you might also want to look at the ARCHIVE_HTML_SANITIZER variable in Defaults.py. It controls what Pipermail does with html attachements. -Barry ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jim-ml%40halemail.d yndns.org From pkaran at allo.ae Sun Jan 19 06:18:23 2003 From: pkaran at allo.ae (Prabhakaran) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 09:18:23 +0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to access mailman in web browser Message-ID: <006c01c2bf7a$48f471d0$cacda8c0@allo.uae> I installed Linux 8 and it comes with mailman but i dont know how to access this on web browser please help how to go abut thank u, From claw at kanga.nu Sun Jan 19 07:08:12 2003 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 22:08:12 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] misfeature/bug in MM 2.1 In-Reply-To: Message from barry@python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) <15913.48218.789796.361464@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <15913.48218.789796.361464@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <24811.1042956492@kanga.nu> On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 15:43:06 -0500 Barry A Warsaw wrote: > I got working a prototype integration of Mailman and spambayes, and > I'll probably be checking this into cvs when I get back . I'd > label it as an interesting experiment, but whether it'll be useful > remains to be seen. I doubt it will eliminate the need for other > upstream spam catching tools. :looks pointedly at TMDA (especially for the control addresses). -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From lists at moz.co.nz Sun Jan 19 08:59:37 2003 From: lists at moz.co.nz (Moz) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 18:59:37 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hiding email addresses in archives Message-ID: <14731303712.20030119185937@moz.co.nz> I'd like to hide or obfuscate email addresses in the list archives, but can't see an obvious way to do this. Right now we seem to be a target for address-harvesting, and it bothers our users. But we'd like to leave the archives public. Is there something I can do to mailman to get this behaviour? Thanks Moz From karl at freefriends.org Sun Jan 19 15:58:54 2003 From: karl at freefriends.org (Karl Berry) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 09:58:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] old request causes checkdbs failure in 2.1 Message-ID: <200301191458.h0JEwsi10238@f7.net> I updated my site (red hat linux 6.2, i686) to mailman 2.1 and python 2.2.2. Unfortunately, I managed to create a request to the new `mailman' list during the upgrade which ended up in the old format, and is causing cron/checkdbs to fail (see below). At least that's what I gather from the couple of relevant messages I could find about it. It's just a junk request, and all I want to do is get rid of it so I stop getting the error. Help? Where are the pending_requests stored? How can I view/delete them? Or is there another way to fix? Any help appreciated. Thanks, karl Here is the actual error: bash$ ./cron/checkdbs Traceback (most recent call last): File "./cron/checkdbs", line 136, in ? main() File "./cron/checkdbs", line 80, in main text += '\n' + pending_requests(mlist) File "./cron/checkdbs", line 102, in pending_requests when, addr, fullname, passwd, digest, lang = mlist.GetRecord(id) ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size From david at midrange.com Sun Jan 19 16:18:57 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 09:18:57 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Problems with content filtering References: Message-ID: "David Gibbs" wrote in message news:b0d7d8$k5k$1 at main.gmane.org... > I solved the problem by changing the HTML to Plaintext command to links... Actually, I found a simpler solution that doesn't require installing any software. Turns out that Redhat decided, in their infinite wisdom, to change the temporary directory that lynx uses to be the users home directory. Since qrunner is suid to mailman, the processes environment information it runs with is not actually mailman's (home directory, etc) ... so if you start qrunner when signed on as root, the processes home directory is still root's home directory (in my case '/root').... so, you have a process that has a home directory that it has no authority to write to. To fix the problem, we have to change the temporary directory that lynx uses. Change the HTML_TO_PLAIN_TEXT_COMMAND to the following ... HTML_TO_PLAIN_TEXT_COMMAND = 'export LYNX_TEMP_SPACE=/tmp && /usr/bin/lynx -force_html -dump %(filename)s' This causes the temporary directory that lynx will use to be /tmp (which, btw, is the default for a freshly built lynx). Now, this works fine ... I just tested it and got fine results... HOWEVER, I really don't like the way lynx formats the dumped html file... it's got extra spaces between each line. Don't know why. I'm going to stick with links for now. :) david From gen-lists at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Jan 19 20:01:29 2003 From: gen-lists at blueyonder.co.uk (Mark C) Date: 19 Jan 2003 19:01:29 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Back tracking subscribers confirmations Message-ID: <1043002888.1546.30.camel@stimpy.angelnet.int> Hi, I'm about to install mailman for a friend of mine, basically he runs a motivation company (yes the one that employers send their staff onto to try to get them to enjoy and be motivated in their ?4.50 an hour telesales job). Basically he wishes send mails out informing subscribers of new deals and seminares etc.. So I decided to take charge and build him a two machines, web server, email server and hopefully use mailman to send out these mails, on one condition, that anyone who he wants to send a mail *MUST* subscribe of their own free will (or I will literley delete his entire harddrive on all the servers, as I don't want mailman or Linux assosiated with being responsable for spamming, as I will be maintaining the boxs). Is it possable in mailman to keep track of all mail sent and received? ( I know sendmail, logs all transactions), so if someone complains to his ISP that they never asked for a mail, we can prove by going through mailmans archives or logs that yes they did and that we can provide the confirmation email from that users agreed to sign up to the list. Thanks in advance Mark -- Eagles may soar.. But weasels don't get sucked into jet engines... From tspeight at rockygorge.com Sun Jan 19 22:51:28 2003 From: tspeight at rockygorge.com (tspeight at rockygorge.com) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:51:28 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hiding email addresses in archives Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030119135120.030e7c40@travelhacker.net> Moz, I remember a domain called listquest.com that archived messages from other lists that used a program that they said was in the public domain that converted all email addresses in each message to a gif, thereby rendering the email addresses useless when you tried to harvest the emails in the archive.. Maybe someone know where this program is available... Thomas <> From tspeight at rockygorge.com Sun Jan 19 22:51:30 2003 From: tspeight at rockygorge.com (tspeight at rockygorge.com) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:51:30 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hiding email addresses in archives Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030119131529.0381a288@travelhacker.net> Moz, I remember a domain called listquest.com that archived messages from other lists that used a program that they said was in the public domain that converted all email addresses in each message to a gif, thereby rendering the email addresses useless when you tried to harvest the emails in the archive.. Maybe someone know where this program is available... Thomas <> From barry at python.org Sun Jan 19 23:30:47 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 17:30:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade problems (2.0.13 -> 2.1); Incoming qrunner dies References: <20030114143242.G22310@griffin.CS.NYU.EDU> Message-ID: <15915.10007.733189.64984@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "EO" == Ed Osinski writes: EO> I've upgraded from 2.0.13 to 2.1, and am having problems: EO> When running "bin/mailmanctl start", I get a series of errors: EO> EOFError : EOF read where object expected EO> This is repeated 11 times. When I run ps to look for qrunner EO> processes, I find: If you still have the offending .db file, please try bin/dumpdb on it and see what you get. You'll probably get the EOF error. If so, send it to me. Also, what version of Python are you using? -Barry From barry at python.org Sun Jan 19 23:32:20 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 17:32:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner troubles after install: "Uncaught runner exception" References: <3E262ED9.7020800@simpletone.com> Message-ID: <15915.10100.203982.883726@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "ANV" == A N Varady writes: ANV> ./configure --with-cgi-gid=99 --with-mail-gid=mailman ANV> --prefix=/home/mailman --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python2.2 ANV> TypeError: isinstance() arg 2 must be a class or type Be sure that the python2.2 above points to Python 2.2.2. -Barry From barry at python.org Mon Jan 20 00:00:18 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 18:00:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE References: <200301091924.h09JO0jk016669@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> Message-ID: <15915.11778.774753.981092@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Steve, You're first problem looks like a classic "permission denied" problem. I'd suggest running bin/check_perms to see if that clears up your problems. The second issue you had (no module name "time") looks like your Python installation is broken. You should be able to do something like the following at the command line: % python Python 2.2.2 (#1, Oct 14 2002, 19:51:36) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.3 2.96-112)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import time >>> time.__file__ '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/time.so' If not, go back to your Python source dir, and run "make test". Check your compilation output carefully. Mailman 2.1 should work with Python 2.1.3 or later. -Barry From jasper at pointless.net Mon Jan 20 02:41:00 2003 From: jasper at pointless.net (Jasper Wallace) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 01:41:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b4 -> 2.1 breaks archive message url's Message-ID: Hi, I just upgraded to 2.1 from 2.1b4 and rebuilt the archives (with --wipe) as part of the upgrade. Unfortunatly this changed all the urls for individual messages, and so links to messages have now broken, and so has googles site:foo search stuff. This is not good. Thinking about it there is probably not much anyone can do about it, but does anyone know if downgrading & rebuilding will go back to the old urls? Are the developers aware that this is an issue? Is it possible to guess the old message numbers in some deterministic way? (you could make the links message id's instead of numbers, but then there are broken non-unique message id's out there, so you'd have to generate new ones for the broken ones and keep a cache, or munge the mbox, but the mbox is probably best left alone). -- [http://pointless.net/] [0x2ECA0975] From gen-lists at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Jan 20 03:15:17 2003 From: gen-lists at blueyonder.co.uk (Mark C) Date: 20 Jan 2003 02:15:17 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re subscribers not getting welcome email Message-ID: <1043028917.1887.65.camel@stimpy.angelnet.int> Hi, I have managed to so far sucessfully setup mailman on a private test network. I subscribed a few test users and, that worked no problem, each got a request email and a confirmation email. I then went to the web interface and unsubscribed them, and again I got a goodbye email. I then tested it again, by subscribing to the same list as using one of the previous unsubscribed email addresses, and got a request email, but this time, when I go to confirm the request, I never get a welcome email and looking at the mailman web User Management interface, that user has not been added onto the list. looking at /var/log/mailman/subscribe, each user is still pending, and according to my /var/log/maillog, sendmail has forwarded the reqest to the wrapper mailcmd program. There are no errors, listed in mailmans error logs either. Please see below (note: the domain names will not resolve externally, but will internally, as I have internal DNS setup) /var/log/mailman/sunscribe: Jan 20 02:05:31 2003 (7357) angelnet-news: pending mark at angelnet.int stimpy.angelnet.int /var/log/maillog: Subscribing from web Interface: Jan 20 02:05:31 eir sendmail[7358]: h0K25VPU007358: from=, size=1772, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=<20030120020531.7357.4697.Mailman at eir.angelnet.int>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=eir.angelnet.int [127.0.0.1] Jan 20 02:05:31 eir sendmail[7359]: h0K25VPU007358: to=, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, pri=139955, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent replying via my mail client: Jan 20 02:06:16 eir sendmail[7366]: h0K26FPU007366: from=, size=1440, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<1043028417.1585.43.camel at stimpy.angelnet.int>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=stimpy.angelnet.int [192.168.2.100] Jan 20 02:06:17 eir sendmail[7367]: h0K26FPU007366: to="|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd angelnet-news", ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=31685, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent If I try to subscribe as a new user, it still works perfectly. I am also set as the list admin as well Any help would be greatly appresiated. Thanks in advance Mark -- Eagles may soar.. But weasels don't get sucked into jet engines... From scratch at xmission.com Mon Jan 20 13:00:59 2003 From: scratch at xmission.com (Warren Woodward) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 05:00:59 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 and Sendmail moderation issues Message-ID: <20030120050059.A18221@xmission.com> Warning: newbie admin question incoming. I am running Mailman 2.1 and Sendmail with RedHat 8.0. I have my sendmail simply configured to refuse relay for anything but local host deliveries. i.e., people logged into Squirrel Mail can send, but I have no SMTP auth or SMTP after POP set or anything like that. So, it seems that Mailman will reject any post to any list to the moderator for approval, even with all the proper moderation tags set. I'm assuming this is a problem with my MTA, and admittedly I'm a bit unclear as to what else I need to do (though I plead ignorance, and I'm sure it's something simple). I have the aliases properly built (I think) and I have run 'newaliases" after the fact. Everything seems fine in that arena, so seeing as I can post to the lists from a local account, even as an accepted non-member, I assume I have some unforgiving setting in my sendmail config that I cannot find that is bypassing the list filters and requiring moderator approval for every post, including that of the list administrator, which is an account offsite of the host machine. So, the questions are, 1) is there something simple I need to change in my sendmail.cf? and 2) would it be better to move to exim or postfix (no sendmail love would be lost, I just wanted to learn it). I scoured the list archives and didn't come across this particular question. If someone can link me to something that sends me on my way, I'll be much obliged, and if there is a more verbose explanation that would be appropriate to share on this list, even more so. Thanks in advance. -- warren woodward XMission DSL warrenw at xmission.com (801) 303-0819 (877) XMISSION "The United States, as the world knows, will never start a war." -JFK, American University, June 10, 1963 From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Mon Jan 20 14:23:52 2003 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:23:52 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Different lists and idiot admins Message-ID: <20030120132351.GY16746@charite.de> Hi! We have the following problem: We have delegated lists to admins on-campus. One of these lists is 3.000 memebers large. Since we don't want anybody to send HUGE attachments to this list, we have a size limit in place. Unfortunately idiot-admin-from-hell approved the large mail anyway. You can imagine what happened... Is there a way of defining a HARD limit for the size a list message can have, which cannot be overridden by idiot-admin-from-hell (but only by us, the site admins)? We can of course use Postfix's message_size_limit, but unfortunately this applies to all lists, even to the 3 member list that may pretty damn well use 1MB large attachments... Idea: a limit that is computed dynamically from the number of members multiplicated by the messagesize: if (number_of_members * message_size) > total_limit: reject_mail() else: send_mail() fi -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 Official postfix-users mantra: post FULL log information when asking questions, since most of us have no ESP abilities. From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Mon Jan 20 14:50:20 2003 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:50:20 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Different lists and idiot admins In-Reply-To: <20030120132351.GY16746@charite.de> References: <20030120132351.GY16746@charite.de> Message-ID: <20030120135020.GB16746@charite.de> * Ralf Hildebrandt : > Idea: a limit that is computed dynamically from the number of members > multiplicated by the messagesize: > > if (number_of_members * message_size) > total_limit: > reject_mail() > else: > send_mail() > fi We're still using 2.0.12, will 2.1.x help us in that aspect? -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 Why you can't find your system administrators: they have found the exit. From john at io.com Mon Jan 20 15:16:34 2003 From: john at io.com (John Buttery) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:16:34 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Problems with content filtering In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030120141634.GC3121@io.com> * David Gibbs [2003-01-19 09:18:57 -0600]: > HTML_TO_PLAIN_TEXT_COMMAND = 'export LYNX_TEMP_SPACE=/tmp && > /usr/bin/lynx -force_html -dump %(filename)s' Well, this is just a bit of streamlining and won't make it behave any differently, but you might use: HTML_TO_PLAIN_TEXT_COMMAND = 'LYNX_TEMP_SPACE=/tmp /usr/bin/lynx -force_html -dump %(filename)s' That way you set the variable and run lynx all in one command, and save yourself an invocation of /bin/sh. :) In a small installation like mine that means about squat, but if you're one of the ones that processes eleventy zillion emails per hour it might make a performance difference (especially if /bin/sh is actually bash in disguise...). P.S. - Still having my PGP/MIME messages bounced due to Content-Type: headers...I'll shut up as soon as someone tells me whether it's expected behaviour or not... :) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Jan 20 15:52:39 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 20 Jan 2003 09:52:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to access mailman in web browser In-Reply-To: <006c01c2bf7a$48f471d0$cacda8c0@allo.uae> References: <006c01c2bf7a$48f471d0$cacda8c0@allo.uae> Message-ID: <1043074373.2268.17.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Wow. I'll try to answer your question using the same level of specifics with which it was asked: Read the documentation. Now, to dive in a bit further... I guessing that "Linux 8" is Red Hat 8.0 (though it could be Mandrake - any other distro's in the 8 range currently?). If it is Red Hat then it was probably installed via RPM. If that is the case then you will need to do a lot to your system before Mailman is actually running. Start by typing in: rpm -qa |grep mailman This will spit out the exact name of the rpm that was used to install Mailman. This will help you out with the next very important step... Since I do not want to re-type it all, I'll simply quote Jeremy Portzer from the archives (which you should feel free to search): To find out information about an RPM's maker, etc., run "rpm -qip filename.rpm" . If you run that command on the Red Hat Linux mailman-2.0.13-1.i386.rpm, you'll see a bunch of EXTREMELY important setup notes -- things you must do after installing the RPM. Follow those instructions! Don't complain if you don't follow them and stuff doesn't work! *grin* Good Luck! On Sun, 2003-01-19 at 00:18, Prabhakaran wrote: > I installed Linux 8 and it comes with mailman > > but i dont know how to access this on web browser please help how to go abut > > thank u, > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk Mon Jan 20 16:07:44 2003 From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: 20 Jan 2003 15:07:44 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to access mailman in web browser In-Reply-To: <1043074373.2268.17.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <006c01c2bf7a$48f471d0$cacda8c0@allo.uae> <1043074373.2268.17.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <1043075264.1211.9.camel@gaspode.localnet> Just some nit-picks on Jon's answer:- On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 14:52, Jon Carnes wrote: [...] > If it is Red Hat then it was probably installed via RPM. > > If that is the case then you will need to do a lot to your system before > Mailman is actually running. Start by typing in: > rpm -qa |grep mailman You actually want rpm -qa | grep -i mailman > This will spit out the exact name of the rpm that was used to install > Mailman. This will help you out with the next very important step... The output would look something like mailman-2.0.13-1 There should be one and only one line of output - if theres no output it wasn't installed with rpm, more than one and things are considerably more complex and you may have a confused system.... > Since I do not want to re-type it all, I'll simply quote Jeremy Portzer > from the archives (which you should feel free to search): > > To find out information about an RPM's maker, etc., run > "rpm -qip filename.rpm" . If you run that command on the > Red Hat Linux mailman-2.0.13-1.i386.rpm, you'll see a > bunch of EXTREMELY important setup notes -- things you > must do after installing the RPM. Follow those > instructions! Don't complain if you don't follow them > and stuff doesn't work! *grin* > > Good Luck! In this case you don't have the rpm package file to hand so you want to get the data from the installed rpms database. You use the same command without the "p" modifier:- rpm -qi mailman-2.0.13-1 or just rpm -qi mailman since you don't need to give it the version and release number Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Mon Jan 20 16:25:57 2003 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:25:57 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Different lists and idiot admins In-Reply-To: <20030120132351.GY16746@charite.de> References: <20030120132351.GY16746@charite.de> Message-ID: <20030120152557.GA28794@charite.de> * Ralf Hildebrandt : > We have the following problem: We have delegated lists to admins > on-campus. One of these lists is 3.000 memebers large. Since we don't > want anybody to send HUGE attachments to this list, we have a size > limit in place. We "solved" the problem by putting demime into the alias entry for those lists. -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt. From mkehler at wrha.mb.ca Mon Jan 20 16:28:07 2003 From: mkehler at wrha.mb.ca (Matt Kehler) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 09:28:07 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving mailman? Message-ID: I need to move my mailman install including all lists, users etc (obviously), to a new box. The best thing I found so far in the archives is here... http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers at python.org/msg03127.html ...is there something better out there by now? thx Matt From kreme at kreme.com Thu Jan 16 20:16:47 2003 From: kreme at kreme.com (Kreme) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:16:47 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting tons of cron errors (Python munged?) Message-ID: <0EBDD898-2987-11D7-84B9-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> I realized recently that the accoutn I was sending mailman's cron output to was not actually checking mail. So, after I checked I saw tons (like several hundred a day) of this: Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /Users/mailman/cron/gate_news Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Users/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 270, in ? main() File "/Users/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 250, in main process_lists(lock) File "/Users/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 185, in process_lists mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 101, in __init__ self.Load() File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 555, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 521, in __load fp = open(dbfile) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/Users/mailman/lists/chat-backup/config.pck' OK, no problem I think, I'll just check_perms -f bin/check_perms -f Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/check_perms", line 331, in ? checkmta() File "bin/check_perms", line 266, in checkmta __import__(modname) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Manual.py", line 23, in ? from Mailman import Message File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 23, in ? import email.Message File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/__init__.py", line 32, in ? from email.Parser import Parser as _Parser File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 12, in ? from email import Message File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 14, in ? from email import Utils File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 8, in ? import socket File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ? from _socket import * ImportError: No module named _socket What's odd is the lists are all working, but somewhere python got munged. Anyone have any idea how to fix this? # python -v # /usr/local/lib/python2.2/site.pyc matches /usr/local/lib/python2.2/site.py import site # precompiled from /usr/local/lib/python2.2/site.pyc # /usr/local/lib/python2.2/os.pyc matches /usr/local/lib/python2.2/os.py import os # precompiled from /usr/local/lib/python2.2/os.pyc import posix # builtin # /usr/local/lib/python2.2/posixpath.pyc matches /usr/local/lib/python2.2/posixpath.py import posixpath # precompiled from /usr/local/lib/python2.2/posixpath.pyc # /usr/local/lib/python2.2/stat.pyc matches /usr/local/lib/python2.2/stat.py import stat # precompiled from /usr/local/lib/python2.2/stat.pyc # /usr/local/lib/python2.2/UserDict.pyc matches /usr/local/lib/python2.2/UserDict.py import UserDict # precompiled from /usr/local/lib/python2.2/UserDict.pyc Python 2.2 (#1, 07/14/02, 23:25:09) [GCC Apple cpp-precomp 6.14] on darwin Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. -- Don't congratulate yourself too much, or berate yourself either. Your choices are half chance; so are everybody else's. From sprocket at PATH.Berkeley.EDU Fri Jan 17 09:47:16 2003 From: sprocket at PATH.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel Lyddy) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 00:47:16 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman accepts messages but does not send them to list members Message-ID: <3E27C314.3010701@path.berkeley.edu> Hello. mailman-2.0.13-3mdk postfix-1.1.11-4mdk kernel-2.4.19.16mdk-1-1mdk All installed via RPM using an updated Mandrake-Linux 9.0 distribution. From the syslog, it seems that postfix is accepting a message and doing the right thing with it: Jan 17 00:35:35 boxster postfix/smtpd[25215]: connect from path.berkeley.edu[128.32.234.234] Jan 17 00:35:35 boxster postfix/smtpd[25215]: 87308254002: client=path.berkeley.edu[128.32.234.234] Jan 17 00:35:35 boxster postfix/cleanup[25216]: 87308254002: message-id=<3E27C055.5030708 at path.berkeley.edu> Jan 17 00:35:35 boxster postfix/smtpd[25215]: disconnect from path.berkeley.edu[128.32.234.234] Jan 17 00:35:35 boxster postfix/nqmgr[25047]: 87308254002: from=, size=1398, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jan 17 00:35:36 boxster postfix/local[25218]: 87308254002: to=, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent ("|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post atmis") The test message in question then winds up in /var/lib/mailman/qfiles, along with a matching .db file. After that, nothing happens. I went through the "Troubleshooting" section of the online FAQ, I tried clearing the queue, checking permissions, making sure cron is running, and all that; it all checks out. And "/var/lib/mailman/bin/list_members atmis" returns a boatload of member email addresses. What else could be going wrong? Please cc me with any response. Thanks, Dan -- Daniel Lyddy sprocket at path.berkeley.edu California PATH/UC Berkeley Computer Science Richmond Field Station, Building 452 1357 S. 46th St, Richmond, CA 94804-4698 tel: +1 (510) 231-5659 fax: +1 (510) 231-5600 url: http://highwaylab.berkeley.edu Shannon's Law: All learning derives from suprises. From j.barelds at good-it.com Fri Jan 17 14:27:34 2003 From: j.barelds at good-it.com (Johan Barelds) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:27:34 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailinglists for multiple domains on one server In-Reply-To: <20030116112236.5b803d8c.raquel@thericehouse.net> References: <3E26808F.5894.54A23B@localhost> <3E269536.4203.A5528F@localhost> <20030116112236.5b803d8c.raquel@thericehouse.net> Message-ID: <200301171427.34906.j.barelds@good-it.com> Ok, nice discussion..:-) My conclusion so far: upgrade to 2.1 and use the add_virtualhost in mm_cfg.py. Does this also mean that you can use the same listname for different virtual domains? (e.g. list1 at domain1.com and list1 at domain2.com) Grz. Johan Op donderdag 16 januari 2003 20:22, schreef Raquel Rice: > On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:19:18 -0700 > > "Richard B. Pyne" wrote: > > Another very small slice of humble pie... > > > > I had my mm_cfg.py file: > > > > DEFAULT_URL_HOST=lists.kinfolk.org > > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST=lists.kinfolk.org > > add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) > > > > Had to change them to: > > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.kinfolk.org' > > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.kinfolk.org' > > add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) > > > > I guess I'm too used to http.conf files where almost nothing needs > > to be quoted. > > HOWEVER... > > > > >From the web interface: > > > > Error: List name must not include "@": test at 71bruins.org > > > > (yes, 71bruins.org IS listed as a virtual host) > > > > --Richard > > I do it all the time. I regulary set up new lists on the various > hosts and the "new list" email goes to the new owner. So, I wonder > what you're doing? > > Me? > > ## In Defaults.py > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'raquel.yellowline.com' > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'raquel.yellowline.com' > > ## In mm_cfg.py > add_virtualhost("lists.thericehouse.net", > "lists.thericehouse.net") > add_virtualhost("lists.yellowline.com", > "lists.yellowline.com") > add_virtualhost("lists.waveelectrology.com", > "lists.waveelectrology.com") > add_virtualhost("lists.campaignfortolerance.org", > "lists.campaignfortolerance.org") > > (sorry for wrapping problems) -- Kind Regards / Met vriendelijke groet, Johan Barelds, Good-IT! BV Strijplaan 320 2285 HZ Rijswijk(ZH) Email j.barelds at good-it.com Tel. +31(0)70-3965230 Fax. +31(0)70-3965271 Mob. +31(0)6-54253750 From rod at sunsetsystems.com Fri Jan 17 17:13:24 2003 From: rod at sunsetsystems.com (Rod Roark) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:13:24 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to Message-ID: <200301170813.24466.rod@sunsetsystems.com> How come Mailman ignores reply-to headers of incoming messages? Thanks, -- Rod Roark, Sunset Systems http://www.sunsetsystems.com/ Offering preconfigured Linux computers, custom software and remote system administration services. Public Key: http://www.sunsetsystems.com/rodspublickey.asc From jimhodson at jenniferonsunday.com Sat Jan 18 19:50:47 2003 From: jimhodson at jenniferonsunday.com (Jim Hodson) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 13:50:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring Mailman Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030118133338.02273248@jenniferonsunday.com> Hello, I am working on setting up a Mailman mailing list for our web site at http://www.jenniferonsunday.com. We are a band and already have many people on an exisiting list (done manually), which we want to migrate to Mailman. Our site is hosted by Webanimotion, and they have Mailman on their server for us. We want a very simple mailing list system, and Mailman can do a lot more than we need. I'm trying to find out how to best configure Mailman for our needs. Here is what we want to do: 1. Send e-mail news updates to our list. We do not want users to be able to send to the list. 2. Users subscribe from our website. Currently they enter their e-mail address on the site, and click "Join", which sends the appropriate e-mail. 3. Users UNsubscribe as well. The problem I've run into seems to revolve around the password, and the Welcome E-mail. The Welcome E-mail has a lot more information in it than we need. For instance, that e-mail tells users that they can post to the list, which I do not want them to be able to do. I know I can turn off the feature about sending them the Welcome E-mail, but then they won't have their password. Also, when I migrate our current users to our Mailman list, I don't want them to know about the migration. However, if they don't get a Welcome E-mail, they also will not have a password, and will be unable to unsubscribe automatically. Is there a way to modify the Welcome E-mail (besides just the introduction to it)? Is there a way to avoid having to use a password to unsubscribe? Thanks for any help you can provide. We really just want a simple mailing list to get information to our fans. Thanks very much! -Jim http://www.jenniferonsunday.com From mah at mhorton.net Sun Jan 19 02:45:22 2003 From: mah at mhorton.net (Mary Ann Horton) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 20:45:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cookies in mailman 2.1? Message-ID: <3E2A0332.1030901@mhorton.net> Finally got some time set aside to upgrade to mailman 2.1 on my Red Hat 7.3 system. After upgrading Python to 2.2.2 (which was very smooth) and copying /home/mailman to /usr/local/mailman, the upgrade was bumpy. Four mailing lists caused python tracebacks during "make install" - had to chmod 0 the directories to proceed. I can manually recreate these 4 lists, if I can get that far. I did have to set the with-gid to apache. But the 2.1 system has a cookie problem when subscribing users through the web admin interface. Every mouse click generates a warning about needing cookies enabled and insisting that I enter the password. Once I do, it goes to the next screen but doesn't do any work. I've tried two browsers to make sure it wasn't the client. Both browsers work fine with the old mailman, which I've backed out to. My web servers is Apache (nee RH 7.3) and the client is a Red Hat 8.0 system running Mozilla and Galeon as the browsers. Are there any known cookie issues (the FAQ is silent on the subject) or suggested fixes or workarounds? Thanks, Mary Ann From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Mon Jan 20 17:56:58 2003 From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:56:58 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cleaning my mailing lists In-Reply-To: <3E2A0332.1030901@mhorton.net> Message-ID: I was nosing around the SpamCop website, because I was trying to report some b*stard that keeps spamming my main address, adn I found the following paragraphs *** In order to avoid spamming, mailing lists must implement a secure opt-in procedure. Many so-called "opt-in" lists are nothing of the sort. Beware anyone who wants to sell you lists. You will be disappointed. I cannot stress strongly enough the need for secure opt-in. Many web-sites now feature "click-through" confirmation, or checkboxes which must be unchecked. However the initial sign up is accomplished, whether on a web site, or by email - the final confirmation phase must include a random code which is emailed to the intended recipient. If that code is not returned by the user, you must not add the address to your list. If you do not follow this procedure, you will inevitably spam somebody, whether or not that is your intent. If you implement this type of secure opt-in, and one of your subscribers has still reported your mailing as spam, please gather all the data on the incident and report it. If you do not have a working opt-in process, you should clean your list by reconfirming all subscribers using a secure opt-in procedure as described above. The most important part of this confirmation is that if a subscriber takes no action, then that subscriber is de-listed. *** The bit that intrested me, was the final part, how can I reconfirm all my subscribers?? From dan at ssc.com Mon Jan 20 18:47:41 2003 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 09:47:41 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cleaning my mailing lists In-Reply-To: References: <3E2A0332.1030901@mhorton.net> Message-ID: <20030120094741.A27587@ssc.com> On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 04:56:58PM -0000, Angel Gabriel wrote: > I was nosing around the SpamCop website, because I was trying to report some > b*stard that keeps spamming my main address, adn I found the following > paragraphs > > *** > In order to avoid spamming, mailing lists must implement a secure opt-in > procedure. Many so-called "opt-in" lists are nothing of the sort. Beware > anyone who wants to sell you lists. You will be disappointed. > > I cannot stress strongly enough the need for secure opt-in. Many web-sites > now feature "click-through" confirmation, or checkboxes which must be > unchecked. However the initial sign up is accomplished, whether on a web > site, or by email - the final confirmation phase must include a random code > which is emailed to the intended recipient. If that code is not returned by > the user, you must not add the address to your list. If you do not follow > this procedure, you will inevitably spam somebody, whether or not that is > your intent. > > If you implement this type of secure opt-in, and one of your subscribers has > still reported your mailing as spam, please gather all the data on the > incident and report it. > If you do not have a working opt-in process, you should clean your list by > reconfirming all subscribers using a secure opt-in procedure as described > above. The most important part of this confirmation is that if a subscriber > takes no action, then that subscriber is de-listed. > *** > > The bit that intrested me, was the final part, how can I reconfirm all my > subscribers?? Send email to each list advising that you'll unsubscribe everybody on xx day and they'll need to re-subscribe. Set up a procmail front-end on each list that saves copies of all list-request mail. Or ignore Julian Haight and his SpamCop site. He's trying to set himself up as legislature, judge, jury, and executioner all rolled into one. Nobody's benevolent and fair enough be allowed to do that. Let him get his kicks by purchasing an old police car and driving around town in blue khakis wearing dime-store tin badge, instead. If spam is troubling you, consider installing SpamAssassin (but configure it not to use SpamCop's lists). SpamAssassin does pretty well all by itself by just looking for patterns, and it calls on several blacklist services in addition. Actively maintained, it is doing a pretty good job here at screening out spam from several very actively-spammed mailboxes: 8:1 incoming spam to substance ratio in two of them. Better, it gets very few false positives. http://spamassassin.org SpamAssassin uses Vipul's Razor, a blacklisting service also known as SpamNet. Individual spams are quickly cataloged and a cryptographic hash of the body of the spam propogated to numerous Razor servers. Your incoming mail is checked by SpamAssassin against known hashes, and scored as possible spam on a match. If other factors also suggest it is spam, SpamAssassin will add a header which can then be filtered on. http://razor.sourceforge.net Duplicate incoming mail can be detected and sidelined using a filter I recently published in this forum. I'm testing an updated version whose database doesn't grow without limit. If you're getting a lot of the same spam, you can eliminate all but the first copy with this filter, and eliminate those annoying multiple CCs of other mail, too. Procmail is your friend with respect to all this. Everybody here uses a procmail recipe to sort incoming mail, calling filters as desired, sidelining mail from particular senders or sites. The manpage is a bit formidable but once you get the hang of it, procmail recipes are quite easy to write and maintain. There's some interesting work going on with Bayesian filters. These score spam based on word frequencies. I've tried a couple, but so far found the results much inferior to those of SpamAssasssin. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://www.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From david at midrange.com Mon Jan 20 19:04:16 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 12:04:16 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Cleaning my mailing lists References: <3E2A0332.1030901@mhorton.net> Message-ID: "Angel Gabriel" wrote in message news:NHBBLHLGKLGFMDNCJJENOEOFCAAA.badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk... > The bit that intrested me, was the final part, how can I reconfirm all my > subscribers?? Simply sending the monthly password reminder should be sufficient. david From jonmaryse at mac.com Mon Jan 20 19:05:36 2003 From: jonmaryse at mac.com (Jon Bjornstad) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:05:36 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multipart messages in Digest form???? Message-ID: Hi All, I'm helping someone manage a Mailman list. The problem we are having is that when a user sends a multipart message (text/plain and text/html) _both_ parts appear in the digest form. The HTML is in _raw_ form as well which is rather ugly looking and a chore to pass over (especially since you have just read the plain text version of the message!). I DO have the _plain_ rather than _MIME_ option set on my subscription. Any clues? Another thing - with the MIME option set I was also getting oodles of unwanted headers in the digest form. Is this normal? Jon From aharon at simpletone.com Mon Jan 20 19:23:55 2003 From: aharon at simpletone.com (A.N.Varady) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:23:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Upgrade problems (2.0.13 -> 2.1); Incoming qrunner dies (Barry A. Warsaw) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E2C3EBB.6090906@simpletone.com> >>>>> "ANV" == A N Varady writes: ANV> ./configure --with-cgi-gid=99 --with-mail-gid=mailman ANV> --prefix=/home/mailman --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python2.2 ANV> TypeError: isinstance() arg 2 must be a class or type >>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw writes: BAW> Be sure that the python2.2 above points to Python 2.2.2. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Indeed, the problem was that python2.2 pointed to 2.2.b1 and not to 2.2.2. Thank you! :) aharon From dan at ssc.com Mon Jan 20 19:28:27 2003 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:28:27 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Cleaning my mailing lists In-Reply-To: References: <3E2A0332.1030901@mhorton.net> Message-ID: <20030120102827.A27822@ssc.com> On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 12:04:16PM -0600, David Gibbs wrote: > "Angel Gabriel" wrote in message > news:NHBBLHLGKLGFMDNCJJENOEOFCAAA.badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk... > > The bit that intrested me, was the final part, how can I reconfirm all my > > subscribers?? > > Simply sending the monthly password reminder should be sufficient. Which confirms that the recipient email address exists. It does not confirm that each subscriber wanted to be on your list. I believe the latter is what the website Angel mentions urges, and would require of all of us, had they means to do so. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://www.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From raquel at thericehouse.net Mon Jan 20 19:55:43 2003 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:55:43 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailinglists for multiple domains on one server In-Reply-To: <200301171427.34906.j.barelds@good-it.com> References: <3E26808F.5894.54A23B@localhost> <3E269536.4203.A5528F@localhost> <20030116112236.5b803d8c.raquel@thericehouse.net> <200301171427.34906.j.barelds@good-it.com> Message-ID: <20030120105543.0260c410.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:27:34 +0100 Johan Barelds wrote: > Ok, nice discussion..:-) > My conclusion so far: upgrade to 2.1 and use the add_virtualhost > in mm_cfg.py. Does this also mean that you can use the same > listname for different virtual domains? (e.g. list1 at domain1.com > and list1 at domain2.com) > > Grz. Johan My understanding is that the answer to your question is "No". -- Raquel ============================================================ In real love you want the other person's good. In romantic love you want the other person. --Margaret Anderson From bryanf at samurai.com Mon Jan 20 20:03:32 2003 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:03:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cookies in mailman 2.1? In-Reply-To: <3E2A0332.1030901@mhorton.net> Message-ID: On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 08:45 PM, Mary Ann Horton wrote: > Are there any known cookie issues (the FAQ is silent on the subject) > or suggested fixes or workarounds? Yes. Mailman 2.0 cookies contain a :, which breaks Mailman 2.1 web auth (because it breaks Python's cookie handling). https://sourceforge.net/tracker/ index.php?func=detail&aid=664466&group_id=103&atid=100103 The workaround is to not have Mailman 2.0 cookies with the same URI (ie /mailman) as your 2.1 lists for your host in your browser. If you're using a sane browser (anything other than IE), you should be able to delete your cookies using your browser's cookie manager and have it work. In theory Mailman cookies (both 2.0 and 2.1) should be removed when you exit the browser as well, but I've found this may not be the case with IE - it may require a reboot, probably because IE doesn't actually exit when you close the app. If you've moved *all* your Mailman 2.0 lists to 2.1, this should be a one-time thing - once you have the 2.0 cookies removed, they shouldn't come back. If you've only moved some of your lists and are running both in the same URI on your site, this is a huge pain in the ass. Bryan From david at midrange.com Mon Jan 20 20:17:09 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:17:09 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Re: Cleaning my mailing lists References: <3E2A0332.1030901@mhorton.net> <20030120102827.A27822@ssc.com> Message-ID: "Dan Wilder" wrote in message news:20030120102827.A27822 at ssc.com... > > Simply sending the monthly password reminder should be sufficient. > Which confirms that the recipient email address exists. It does > not confirm that each subscriber wanted to be on your list. The password reminder informs someone how they can unsubscribe ... so what difference does it make? If they don't want to be on the list anymore, they should just unsubscribe. As long as the list policy is 'confirm' on subscribe, you know they wanted to be subscribed in the first place. JMHO, of course. david From johnslists at mcswartz.org Mon Jan 20 21:14:12 2003 From: johnslists at mcswartz.org (John Swartzentruber) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:14:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Membership list display in 2.1 Message-ID: <200301202014.h0KKECx20593@arthur.swartz.primatech.com> In 2.0, the entire membership list was displayed. In 2.1, it looks like it will only show the list for each letter of the alphabet. For example, my one list has 42 members and it is difficult to see more than one or two members at a time now. I looked at Defaults.py and saw DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE, which seems to be the value that I would want to change. I added this line to my mm_cfg.py file: DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 70 but it doesn't seem to make any difference. I restarted by mailman and httpd, to no effect. Is there any way to view all of these members at the same time again? Am I using the right option, but failing to restart something to have it take affect? Other changes to mm_cfg.py seemed to happen as soon as I reloaded the page or logged in again. From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Mon Jan 20 22:22:04 2003 From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:22:04 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Re: Cleaning my mailing lists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OH OKAY! **duh** I've never got a password reminder, because I run the lists! But I'll set up a test list and see what it looks like! I understand now! -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+badmangabriel=lycos.co.uk at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+badmangabriel=lycos.co.uk at python.org]On Behalf Of David Gibbs Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 7:17 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Re: Cleaning my mailing lists "Dan Wilder" wrote in message news:20030120102827.A27822 at ssc.com.. > > Simply sending the monthly password reminder should be sufficient > Which confirms that the recipient email address exists. It does > not confirm that each subscriber wanted to be on your list The password reminder informs someone how they can unsubscribe ... so what difference does it make? If they don't want to be on the list anymore, they should just unsubscribe As long as the list policy is 'confirm' on subscribe, you know they wanted to be subscribed in the first place JMHO, of course david ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/badmangabriel%40lycos.c o.uk From johnslists at mcswartz.org Mon Jan 20 22:14:04 2003 From: johnslists at mcswartz.org (John Swartzentruber) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:14:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Membership list display in 2.1 In-Reply-To: <200301202014.h0KKECx20593@arthur.swartz.primatech.com> Message-ID: <200301202114.h0KLE4x20980@arthur.swartz.primatech.com> On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:14:12 -0500, John Swartzentruber wrote: >I looked at Defaults.py and saw DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE, which >seems to be the value that I would want to change. I added this line to >my mm_cfg.py file: > >DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 70 > >but it doesn't seem to make any difference. Sorry to answer my own post, but I found the answer. I thought the problem came with 2.1, so I didn't search the older archives. I fixed it by setting admin_member_chunksize using config_list (withlist intimidated me). From gen-lists at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Jan 20 22:26:06 2003 From: gen-lists at blueyonder.co.uk (Mark Cooke) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:26:06 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ValueError: math domain error on crontab jobs Message-ID: <3E2C696E.90708@blueyonder.co.uk> Hi all, I have been noticing since installing mailman from my RedHat 8.0 cd, that I have been getting these cron job errors, they seem to vary, but the main errors are: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/gate_news: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 40, in ? from Mailman import MailList File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 36, in ? from Mailman import Utils File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 32, in ? import random File "/usr/lib/python2.2/random.py", line 91, in ? NV_MAGICCONST = 4 * _exp(-0.5)/_sqrt(2.0) ValueError: math domain error Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 84, in ? from Mailman import Utils File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 32, in ? import random File "/usr/lib/python2.2/random.py", line 91, in ? NV_MAGICCONST = 4 * _exp(-0.5)/_sqrt(2.0) ValueError: math domain error I've done some hunting, but so far found nothing that I feel is relevant. Could someone possably, explain what the errros mean and how I could fix them. Apart from these, mailman its is working perfectly ok, on an enclioed private testing network. Cheers Mark From gen-lists at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Jan 20 22:26:52 2003 From: gen-lists at blueyonder.co.uk (Mark Cooke) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:26:52 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ValueError: math domain error on crontab jobs Message-ID: <3E2C699C.6070005@blueyonder.co.uk> Hi all, I have been noticing since installing mailman from my RedHat 8.0 cd, that I have been getting these cron job errors, they seem to vary, but the main errors are: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/gate_news: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 40, in ? from Mailman import MailList File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 36, in ? from Mailman import Utils File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 32, in ? import random File "/usr/lib/python2.2/random.py", line 91, in ? NV_MAGICCONST = 4 * _exp(-0.5)/_sqrt(2.0) ValueError: math domain error Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 84, in ? from Mailman import Utils File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 32, in ? import random File "/usr/lib/python2.2/random.py", line 91, in ? NV_MAGICCONST = 4 * _exp(-0.5)/_sqrt(2.0) ValueError: math domain error I've done some hunting, but so far found nothing that I feel is relevant. Could someone possably, explain what the errros mean and how I could fix them. Apart from these, mailman its is working perfectly ok, on an enclioed private testing network. Cheers Mark From danny at terweij.nl Mon Jan 20 22:37:32 2003 From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:37:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ValueError: math domain error on crontab jobs References: <3E2C699C.6070005@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <013c01c2c0cc$239b5900$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org> From: "Mark Cooke" > Hi all, > I have been noticing since installing mailman from my RedHat 8.0 cd, > that I have been getting these cron job errors, they seem to vary, but > the main errors are: > Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/gate_news: Set your box a real domain name? Create a file : /etc/HOSTNAME And put there FDQN from box :) Maybe then it works right. But i could be wrong..... Danny From gen-lists at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Jan 20 22:57:03 2003 From: gen-lists at blueyonder.co.uk (Mark Cooke) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:57:03 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ValueError: math domain error on crontab jobs In-Reply-To: <013c01c2c0cc$239b5900$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org> References: <3E2C699C.6070005@blueyonder.co.uk> <013c01c2c0cc$239b5900$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org> Message-ID: <3E2C70AF.2020805@blueyonder.co.uk> Danny Terweij wrote: > Set your box a real domain name? > Create a file : /etc/HOSTNAME > And put there FDQN from box :) > > Maybe then it works right. But i could be wrong..... Thats what I was thinking, as this is a private internal tesing network, it has a madeup domainname, but local DNS resolves this correctly. The problem may be down to the two settings I had in mm_cfg.py. When I first set it up, I put the required information as specified, ie I set the hostname, but rather than sending mails from angelnet-announce-request at angelnet.int I was getting them from: angelnet-announce-request at eir.angelnet.int hence my options below: DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'angelnet.int' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mailman.angelnet.int' DEFAULT_URL = 'http://%s/mailman/' % DEFAULT_URL_HOST MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME my /etc/hosts is listed as below: # Do not remove the following line, or various programs # that require network functionality will fail. 127.0.0.1 eir.angelnet.int mailman mail localhost.localdomain localhost 192.168.1.2 eir.angelnet.int eir FQDN: eir.angelnet.int Sorry is the above is incorect, but that was the only way I could resolve the problem. All mail on my domain , can be sent to someone at angelnet.int and it gets sorted correctly (by the mx address of the domain), but mailman seems to want to put the fqdn is there instead. Mark From greg at gregwestin.com Mon Jan 20 23:05:58 2003 From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:05:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hiding list names [Was: Hiding email addresses in archives] In-Reply-To: <14731303712.20030119185937@moz.co.nz> Message-ID: <5ACB52E6-2CC3-11D7-9419-003065C03184@gregwestin.com> On a related note, on a site I'm associated with, we have a whole lot of mailing lists, and a number of them have recently been getting a lot of spam. I assume that this is because the addresses have been harvested from the web site. We blocked the main listinfo page so that it can only be seen by certain IPs, but that's a very ugly hack. Is there a more interesting way to obscure the names of the mailing lists so that they can't be harvested? Greg On Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 02:59 AM, Moz wrote: > > I'd like to hide or obfuscate email addresses in the list archives, > but can't see an obvious way to do this. Right now we seem to be a > target for address-harvesting, and it bothers our users. But we'd like > to leave the archives public. Is there something I can do to mailman > to get this behaviour? > > Thanks > Moz > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: greg at gregwestin.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > greg%40gregwestin.com > -- http://www.gregwestin.com Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Mon Jan 20 23:22:03 2003 From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:22:03 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Local DNS vs. DNS on the same subnet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm thinking of adding a DNS to my network, it currently doesn't have it, some when mail outs go out they take a bit of time. What I would like to do, is add a DNS server to the same subnet as mine, and have my DHCP server make reference to it as the DNS server. My question is, would it be quicker to have the DNS on the same machine as mailman, I'm using Postfix by the way, *go postfix!* From Tspeight at rockygorge.com Mon Jan 20 23:12:58 2003 From: Tspeight at rockygorge.com (Tspeight at rockygorge.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:12:58 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multipart messages in Digest form???? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030120135008.01aee110@travelhacker.net> Jon, It is normal! A good solution that will work is StripMime. It takes the email and strips out the mime, multi-parts, and the attachments. Since we do not allow attachments this is the best solution for my list. I am using MM2.1. You can find StripMime at http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html . Thomas At 04:18 PM 01/20/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:05:36 -0800 >From: Jon Bjornstad >To: mailman-users at python.org >Cc: patti at careercompany.com >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multipart messages in Digest form???? > >Hi All, > >I'm helping someone manage a Mailman list. >The problem we are having is that when a user >sends a multipart message (text/plain and text/html) >_both_ parts appear in the digest form. >The HTML is in _raw_ form as well which is >rather ugly looking and a chore to pass over >(especially since you have just read the plain >text version of the message!). > >I DO have the _plain_ rather than _MIME_ option >set on my subscription. > >Any clues? > >Another thing - with the MIME option set I was >also getting oodles of unwanted headers in the digest >form. Is this normal? > >Jon From netman at ka-net.dk Mon Jan 20 23:15:18 2003 From: netman at ka-net.dk (soren) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 23:15:18 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Danish language at Mailman? Message-ID: <000001c2c0d1$6a9199a0$0601000a@lima> I've installed Mailman a fourth night ago at a Debian box with Postfix in our small Internet Community (Intranet) with 500 users. It will (I hope) later be moved to the DMZ for public Internet access. I looked around in the archives for a Danish language add to Mailman but did not find the definite solution. Is there a Danish Language add on coming up, or is the Mailman project in need of a Danish translation? Can you easily add a new language in the setup? Regards Soren @ka-net.dk From chuqui at plaidworks.com Mon Jan 20 23:16:12 2003 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:16:12 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Local DNS vs. DNS on the same subnet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Monday, January 20, 2003, at 02:22 PM, Angel Gabriel wrote: > My question is, would it be quicker to have the DNS on the same > machine as > mailman, Yes, sometimes very significantly. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Architech chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/ Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial. From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Mon Jan 20 23:49:58 2003 From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:49:58 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Local DNS vs. DNS on the same subnet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Damn, this posses a problem! I'm going to have to make do with having a DNS server on the same subnet, and when I get the chance, I'll link the two via secondary network cards, and a seperate hub. That way, it should be as fast as it can go. -----Original Message----- From: Chuq Von Rospach [mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 10:16 PM To: Angel Gabriel Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Local DNS vs. DNS on the same subnet On Monday, January 20, 2003, at 02:22 PM, Angel Gabriel wrote: > My question is, would it be quicker to have the DNS on the same > machine as > mailman, Yes, sometimes very significantly -- Chuq Von Rospach, Architech chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/ Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial . From neil at ebuilt.com Mon Jan 20 23:46:11 2003 From: neil at ebuilt.com (Neil Dombrowski) Date: 20 Jan 2003 14:46:11 -0800 Subject: [Fwd: RE: [Mailman-Users] Local DNS vs. DNS on the same subnet] Message-ID: <1043102771.3108.40.camel@pinky.rmscare.net> FWIW, DNS packets (request and response) are quite small. Obviously being on the same box is ideal (speedwise), however being on your subnet or an adjoining subnet probably won't make much of a noticeable difference (unless your adjoining network is through a 56k modem or something like that). I wouldn't worry too much about DNS lookups, unless you're doing a LOT of them (I guess that's a possibility with mailman). Neil -----Forwarded Message----- > From: Angel Gabriel > To: Chuq Von Rospach > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Local DNS vs. DNS on the same subnet > Date: 20 Jan 2003 22:49:58 +0000 > > Damn, this posses a problem! I'm going to have to make do with having a DNS > server on the same subnet, and when I get the chance, I'll link the two via > secondary network cards, and a seperate hub. That way, it should be as fast > as it can go. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuq Von Rospach [mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com] > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 10:16 PM > To: Angel Gabriel > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Local DNS vs. DNS on the same subnet > > > > On Monday, January 20, 2003, at 02:22 PM, Angel Gabriel wrote: > > > My question is, would it be quicker to have the DNS on the same > > machine as > > mailman, > > Yes, sometimes very significantly > > > -- > Chuq Von Rospach, Architech > chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/ > > Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties > are largely ceremonial > > > . > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: neil at ebuilt.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/neil%40ebuilt.com > -- Neil Dombrowski IS Manager eBuilt, Inc 949-609-4757 From david at midrange.com Tue Jan 21 00:43:37 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:43:37 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Reply-to References: <200301170813.24466.rod@sunsetsystems.com> Message-ID: "Rod Roark" wrote in message news:200301170813.24466.rod at sunsetsystems.com... > How come Mailman ignores reply-to headers of incoming > messages? Can you be a bit more specific? What do you mean 'ignores reply-to headers"? david From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 21 03:41:23 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 20 Jan 2003 21:41:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] old request causes checkdbs failure in 2.1 In-Reply-To: <200301191458.h0JEwsi10238@f7.net> References: <200301191458.h0JEwsi10238@f7.net> Message-ID: <1043116891.1989.4.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> First check to see if the held files are still in your data directory: /usr/local/mailman/data/heldmsg-.... If they are, go ahead and delete them. Then simply go to the lists configure directory and delete the file request.db: /usr/local/mailman/lists//request.db Version 2.1 of Mailman is superior to version 2.0 in that it will re-create request.db if needed. Before deleting it though, be sure you've removed the heldmsg-files that are in the ../data directory. Good luck - Jon Carnes === On Sun, 2003-01-19 at 09:58, Karl Berry wrote: > I updated my site (red hat linux 6.2, i686) to mailman 2.1 and python 2.2.2. > > Unfortunately, I managed to create a request to the new `mailman' list > during the upgrade which ended up in the old format, and is causing > cron/checkdbs to fail (see below). At least that's what I gather from > the couple of relevant messages I could find about it. > > It's just a junk request, and all I want to do is get rid of it so I > stop getting the error. Help? Where are the pending_requests stored? > How can I view/delete them? Or is there another way to fix? > > Any help appreciated. > > Thanks, > karl > > > Here is the actual error: > > bash$ ./cron/checkdbs > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "./cron/checkdbs", line 136, in ? > main() > File "./cron/checkdbs", line 80, in main > text += '\n' + pending_requests(mlist) > File "./cron/checkdbs", line 102, in pending_requests > when, addr, fullname, passwd, digest, lang = mlist.GetRecord(id) > ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size > From ghoti at hsgcomputers.com Tue Jan 21 07:51:39 2003 From: ghoti at hsgcomputers.com (Ghoti) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 01:51:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble installing Mailman 2.0.13 - List works, Web doesn't. Alittle assist, please? Message-ID: <3E2CEDFB.2080409@hsgcomputers.com> As the subject indicates, I'm having something of an issue getting the web interface to mailman working. This is my second try with this, and I'm certain this is something quite simple, but I'm stymied. I've followed the instructions to the letter, and even have several mailing lists working (I made two test lists, just to repeat the problem). For the longest time, I was getting 403 errors at all the web links in the welcome mailing. I think I finally got that fixed with the following instructions in httpd.conf: Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/arhcives/public/ ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/ Options ExecCGI AllowOverride None Allow from from all Order allow,deny Now, however, all web links yeild: Mailman CGI error!!! This entry is being stored in your syslog: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 65533, GOT gid 72. (Reconfigure to take 72?) The odd thing is, that's not Mailman's gid: [root at mydomain root]# cat /etc/group | grep mailman mailman:x:512: Group 72 seems to be Apache: [root at mydonain root]# cat /etc/group | grep 72 apache:x:72: What am I doing wrong? I've tried to peruse the archives (that, in fact, helped my 403 problem), but neuther Google nor the archives seem to be enlightening me that much. Can anyone lend a hand? Thanks in advance! -- Rob Palkowski From ghoti at hsgcomputers.com Tue Jan 21 07:58:59 2003 From: ghoti at hsgcomputers.com (Ghoti) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 01:58:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble installing Mailman 2.0.13 - List works, Web doesn't. Alittle assist, please? In-Reply-To: <3E2CEDFB.2080409@hsgcomputers.com> References: <3E2CEDFB.2080409@hsgcomputers.com> Message-ID: <3E2CEFB3.9000409@hsgcomputers.com> Ghoti wrote: > Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 65533, GOT gid 72. (Reconfigure to > take 72?) I should also note that I ran ./configure --with-mail-gid=512 -- Rob From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Tue Jan 21 09:07:14 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 08:07:14 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble installing Mailman 2.0.13 - List works, Web doesn't. Alittle assist, please? In-Reply-To: <3E2CEDFB.2080409@hsgcomputers.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030121075806.00a958b0@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 06:51 21/01/2003, Ghoti wrote: >As the subject indicates, I'm having something of an issue getting the web >interface to mailman working. > >This is my second try with this, and I'm certain this is something quite >simple, but I'm stymied. > >I've followed the instructions to the letter, and even have several >mailing lists working (I made two test lists, just to repeat the problem). > >For the longest time, I was getting 403 errors at all the web links in the >welcome mailing. > >I think I finally got that fixed with the following instructions in >httpd.conf: > >Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/arhcives/public/ >ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/ > > Options ExecCGI > AllowOverride None > Allow from from all > Order allow,deny > > >Now, however, all web links yeild: > >Mailman CGI error!!! >This entry is being stored in your syslog: > >Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 65533, GOT gid 72. (Reconfigure to >take 72?) > >The odd thing is, that's not Mailman's gid: >[root at mydomain root]# cat /etc/group | grep mailman >mailman:x:512: > >Group 72 seems to be Apache: >[root at mydonain root]# cat /etc/group | grep 72 >apache:x:72: That makes sense as the Mailman cgi scripts will be run with the group id under which your server executes. What value is set by the Group parameter in the web server's httpd.conf file; this sets the effective group id which the server child processes and its cgi scripts run as. >What am I doing wrong? I've tried to peruse the archives (that, in fact, >helped my 403 problem), but neuther Google nor the archives seem to be >enlightening me that much. > >Can anyone lend a hand? Thanks in advance! re-run Mailman's ./configure as before and with the --with-cgi-bin parameter set to the appropriate value and then re-run make install etc >-- >Rob Palkowski From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Tue Jan 21 10:21:06 2003 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 01:21:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble installing Mailman 2.0.13 - List works, Web doesn't. Alittle assist, please? In-Reply-To: <3E2CEDFB.2080409@hsgcomputers.com> References: <3E2CEDFB.2080409@hsgcomputers.com> Message-ID: On Jan 21, 2003 at 01:51, Ghoti wrote: >Now, however, all web links yeild: >Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 65533, GOT gid 72. (Reconfigure to >take 72?) Like it says, re-run configure with the --with-cgi-gid=72 switch. Have you seen the FAQ? -- Satya. Eschew obfuscation! From dobber at bastun.net Tue Jan 21 15:42:35 2003 From: dobber at bastun.net (Ivan Dimitrov) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:42:35 +0200 (EET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + qmail + mysql Message-ID: Hi guys, I just wonder have any of you runned mailman with qmail + mysql patch? I have to setup one for my company, but i'm lost right now... just tryed anythink I could posibly think and still didn't work. That's why I don't have a specific question to ask you. Can some of you please send me a sample config how to use this? or any ideas? Please point me to the right direction... Thanks in advance Admin in dispare... Hi! I'm your friendly neighborhood signature virus. Copy me to your signature file and help me spread! From bogardi at lib.pte.hu Tue Jan 21 17:55:30 2003 From: bogardi at lib.pte.hu (Bogardi Janos) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:55:30 +0100 (MET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to remove users from the bounce blacklist? Message-ID: <200301211655.h0LGtUb04984@lib.pte.hu> Hello, The host I have my server with had a DNS server outage. Messages sent to lists could not be delivered to addresses due to the DNS problems of the server. Now the addresses appear in the /home/mailman/logs/bounce file - and although the DNS problem is over, these addresses are still labelled as bouncing. Is there a way to remove these addresses from the bounce blacklist? The server has Mailman v. 2.0.11 installed on it. Thank you for your thoughts. Janos B. From aaronda at freespeech.org Tue Jan 21 18:02:24 2003 From: aaronda at freespeech.org (Aaron M Daley) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:02:24 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bad links to secure server Message-ID: I set mailman up on our secure server. I moved over some pre-existing lists. some worked fine, the rest also work fine accept for one minor detail. Many of the links within the admin page are incorrect. That is to say the address is completly correct accept that it starts out "http" instead of "https" so of course I get a 404 error from our regular server everytime I click on a link. The links on the general options page are correct but like the member management page and administrative request page are wrong. Any idea's? I already tried deleting the list and recreating it but I had the same exact problem. Please help. -Aaron From arif at welfarelaw.org Tue Jan 21 18:33:11 2003 From: arif at welfarelaw.org (Arif Mamdani) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:33:11 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bad links to secure server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <697EE91A-2D66-11D7-BD12-000393B628F6@welfarelaw.org> On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 11:02 AM, Aaron M Daley wrote: > I set mailman up on our secure server. I moved over some pre-existing > lists. > some worked fine, the rest also work fine accept for one minor detail. > Many > of the links within the admin page are incorrect. That is to say the > address > is completly correct accept that it starts out "http" instead of > "https" so > of course I get a 404 error from our regular server everytime I click > on a > link. The links on the general options page are correct but like the > member > management page and administrative request page are wrong. Any idea's? > I > already tried deleting the list and recreating it but I had the same > exact > problem. Please help. You don't say what version of mailman you're using, but i'm inclined to suggest checking the default URL setting in Defaults.py to be sure that you've got https instead of http in there. If it's not correct, make changes in the mm_cfg.py file (I think this would apply to Mailman pre 2.1, the files are correct for my installation of 2.07) -arif From gen-lists at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Jan 21 19:07:53 2003 From: gen-lists at blueyonder.co.uk (Mark Cooke) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:07:53 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner fails to run Message-ID: <3E2D8C79.5040407@blueyonder.co.uk> Hi, I have posted beofre, but as yet not got an answer, hopefully someone could help me, as I've spend now 3 hrs in totals looking through the previous mailman archives and so far not managed to come up with my exact problem or an answer as to what is causing it. I'm running a default RedHat 8.0 installation, with sendmail,DNS and mailman-2.0.13 all on the same server. I have been getting the folowing errors for qrunning, I also got them for gate_news (but as I didn't see any need for this I disabled that in the crontab): Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 84, in ? from Mailman import Utils File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 32, in ? import random File "/usr/lib/python2.2/random.py", line 91, in ? NV_MAGICCONST = 4 * _exp(-0.5)/_sqrt(2.0) ValueError: math domain error If anyone could at least say what is causing it, then I would know where to start looking. Thanks in advance Mark From martin.whinnery at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Jan 21 20:28:40 2003 From: martin.whinnery at blueyonder.co.uk (Martin Whinnery) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:28:40 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce: LDAP member adaptor Version 2.1 Message-ID: <000401c2c183$4db24340$e6faa8c0@MARTLAPIBM> Short announcement. I've made available version 2.1 of an LDAP membership adaptor for mailman. Given an LDAP server with groups, it allows you (with some restrictions) to populate list membership dynamically from LDAP. It will recurse groups within groups. It will handle both groups with email addresses or distinguished names as attributes. It is available at http://webserver.offal.homelinux.org/ If you're running mailman and have an LDAP service, please try this and tell me what you think. Or how it broke. Martin Whinnery martin.whinnery at offal.homelinux.org From mathias at landhaeusser.de Tue Jan 21 12:33:24 2003 From: mathias at landhaeusser.de (Mathias =?iso-8859-1?q?Landh=E4u=DFer?=) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 12:33:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] local delivery problem... Message-ID: Hi there! I guess I've got a big problem: I've running Exim on my debian router to control the E-Mail-Service for my home network. Since a few days mails for postmaster at localdomain (forwarded to root at localdomain), root at localdomain (forwarded to mathias at localdomain) and mathias at locadomain (@peccata and @ira.peccata and @ira too) remain undelivered in the exim-queue. Mails for other useres are delivered without any problems and I can send messages with mathias at peccata to others. I've already checked the owner:group and permissions for /var/mail/mathias but they are correct. I also tried to create a new exim.conf (without any smarthosts etc.) with eximconf but it doesn't work either. Exim does neither try to deliver the messages - nor hands an error-msg to the syslog. I'm using nfs since a few days to share the server's home directories with the clients; might that be the problem? I tried to uncomment the homes in /etx/exports but that hat the same effect -> no delivery for my 3 users :( It would be great to hear from one of you... TIA Mathias Landhaeusser From psancho at unizar.es Tue Jan 21 09:16:39 2003 From: psancho at unizar.es (Pilar Sancho) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:16:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] non moderated lists are holding messages for approval Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030121091147.02a6c658@posta.unizar.es> Mailman is holding for approval for the administrator messages on lists that are not set for moderation. I have in Privacy Options - Sender filters the default_member_moderation set to No and in the Membership List the flag mod isn't selectioned. Anyone know why this would happen and have any suggestions on how to fix this? Thank You -- ________________________________________ Pilar Sancho Moreno Servicio de Inform?tica - ?rea de Sistemas. Universidad de Zaragoza Tf: 976 761000 ext 3210 mailto:psancho at posta.unizar.es ________________________________________ From soren at bondrup.dk Mon Jan 20 23:06:12 2003 From: soren at bondrup.dk (Soren Bondrup) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 23:06:12 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Danish language at mailman? Message-ID: <3E2C72D4.1080202@bondrup.dk> I've installed Mailman a fourth night ago at a Debian box with Postfix in our small Internet Community (Intranet) with 500 users. It will (I hope) later be moved to the DMZ for public Internet access. I looked around in the archives for a Danish language add to Mailman but did not find the definite solution. Is there a Danish Language add on coming up, or is the Mailman project in need of a Danish translation? Can you easily add a new language in the setup? Regards Soren From huston at astro.Princeton.EDU Wed Jan 22 00:41:22 2003 From: huston at astro.Princeton.EDU (Steve Huston) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:41:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patches Message-ID: I've applied the patches, but have had a few problems. I emailed Richard Barrett through sourceforge, and don't know if you got it, so I'll start with what I've figured out since then. Should line 1485 of htdig-2.1-0.2.patch read "if (not ctype) or cencode:" instead of reading "if not (ctype and cencode):"? Because with the way it was, when I clicked on a found item from a search, it tried to download the file as type application/octet-stream, but changing it to (not ctype) or cencode lets it come properly as text/html. That one took a bit to figure :> Another thing I noticed is that it seems there are quite a few references in the code to "DEFAULT_URL", but I believe that changed to "DEFAULT_URL_HOST"; setting DEFAULT_URL to the same thing made some of the error messages I'd received actually work instead of dumping Python (somewhere in make_inserts). Lastly, I'm a little confused by one way things fit together. Granted, it works, but... Why does the htdig script make its results point to itself? For example, if I search for 'foo', and find an instance, the URL that the result points to is "http://host/mailman/htdig/listname/2003-January/000006.html". I tried setting HTDIG_ARCHIVE_URL to "/pipermail/" instead to get it to output the links as "http://host/pipermail/listname/2003-January/000006.html", but this seemed to have no effect. Perhaps this works differently than I'm thinking, but it seems more resource-effective to have the link point right to the file instead of going through another cgi, when we know the location of the file we're trying to get. Please, call me an idiot, and explain why :> -- Steve Huston - Unix Systems Administrator, Dept. of Astrophysical Sciences Princeton University | ICBM Address: 40.346525 -74.651285 126 Peyton Hall |"On my ship, the Rocinante, wheeling through Princeton, NJ 08544 | the galaxies; headed for the heart of Cygnus, (609) 258-7375 | headlong into mystery." -Rush, 'Cygnus X-1' From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Jan 22 04:08:13 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:08:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting tons of cron errors (Python munged?) In-Reply-To: <0EBDD898-2987-11D7-84B9-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>; from kreme@kreme.com on Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 12:16:47PM -0700 References: <0EBDD898-2987-11D7-84B9-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> Message-ID: <20030121220813.A30982@dogpound.vnet.net> It looks like you have 2 versions of python installed. It looks like its running python from /usr/bin and the libs are in /usr/local/lib * Kreme (kreme at kreme.com) wrote: > Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S [...] > # python -v > # /usr/local/lib/python2.2/site.pyc matches > /usr/local/lib/python2.2/site.py > import site # precompiled from /usr/local/lib/python2.2/site.pyc > # /usr/local/lib/python2.2/os.pyc matches /usr/local/lib/python2.2/os.py > import os # precompiled from /usr/local/lib/python2.2/os.pyc > import posix # builtin > # /usr/local/lib/python2.2/posixpath.pyc matches > /usr/local/lib/python2.2/posixpath.py > import posixpath # precompiled from > /usr/local/lib/python2.2/posixpath.pyc > # /usr/local/lib/python2.2/stat.pyc matches > /usr/local/lib/python2.2/stat.py > import stat # precompiled from /usr/local/lib/python2.2/stat.pyc > # /usr/local/lib/python2.2/UserDict.pyc matches > /usr/local/lib/python2.2/UserDict.py > import UserDict # precompiled from /usr/local/lib/python2.2/UserDict.pyc > Python 2.2 (#1, 07/14/02, 23:25:09) > [GCC Apple cpp-precomp 6.14] on darwin > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Tuesday, January 21, 2003 / 10:03PM | ---------------------------------------------- The cost of feathers has risen... Now even DOWN is up! From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Jan 22 04:36:44 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:36:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring Mailman In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030118133338.02273248@jenniferonsunday.com>; from jimhodson@jenniferonsunday.com on Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 01:50:47PM -0500 References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030118133338.02273248@jenniferonsunday.com> Message-ID: <20030121223643.B30982@dogpound.vnet.net> * Jim Hodson (jimhodson at jenniferonsunday.com) wrote: > Hello, > I am working on setting up a Mailman mailing list for our web site at > http://www.jenniferonsunday.com. We are a band and already have many > people on an exisiting list (done manually), which we want to migrate to > Mailman. Our site is hosted by Webanimotion, and they have Mailman on > their server for us. Well that might restrict what you can do with mailman unless your good friends with them or done a few free shows for 'em. But some of the things your asking will need more than web-admin access. > 1. Send e-mail news updates to our list. We do not want users to be able > to send to the list. Check FAQ 3.11 > The problem I've run into seems to revolve around the password, and the > Welcome E-mail. The Welcome E-mail has a lot more information in it than > we need. For instance, that e-mail tells users that they can post to the > list, which I do not want them to be able to do. I know I can turn off the > feature about sending them the Welcome E-mail, but then they won't have > their password. Change the template for the message in the templates/ dir. Worse case scenerio (spelled right?), user wants to unsubscribe, they have to goto the web page and have the password emailed to them to unsubscribe. I know thats not really the preferred method. > Also, when I migrate our current users to our Mailman list, I don't want > them to know about the migration. However, if they don't get a Welcome > E-mail, they also will not have a password, and will be unable to > unsubscribe automatically. You can also add text to the welcome messages in the General Options tab in the 'Notificaions' section (for MM2.1). > Is there a way to modify the Welcome E-mail (besides just the introduction > to it)? Is there a way to avoid having to use a password to unsubscribe? http://satya.virtualave.net/download.html#mailmanw It requires perl and MySQL, so it might not be able to fit into your setup. ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Tuesday, January 21, 2003 / 10:13PM | ---------------------------------------------- When I was a kid my favorite relative was Uncle Caveman. After school we'd all go play in his cave, and every once in a while he would eat one of us. It wasn't until later that I found out that Uncle Caveman was a bear. From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Jan 22 04:42:10 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:42:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hiding email addresses in archives In-Reply-To: <14731303712.20030119185937@moz.co.nz>; from lists@moz.co.nz on Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 06:59:37PM +1100 References: <14731303712.20030119185937@moz.co.nz> Message-ID: <20030121224210.C30982@dogpound.vnet.net> You'll either have to upgrade to mailman 2.1, or use an external email archiver (ie mhonarc - http://www.mhonarc.org/) Check FAQ 4.4 * Moz (lists at moz.co.nz) wrote: > > I'd like to hide or obfuscate email addresses in the list archives, > but can't see an obvious way to do this. Right now we seem to be a > target for address-harvesting, and it bothers our users. But we'd like > to leave the archives public. Is there something I can do to mailman > to get this behaviour? ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Tuesday, January 21, 2003 / 10:38PM | ---------------------------------------------- "Apple" (c) Copyright 1767, Sir Isaac Newton. From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Jan 22 04:44:51 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:44:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hiding email addresses in archives In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030119135120.030e7c40@travelhacker.net>; from tspeight@rockygorge.com on Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 01:51:28PM -0800 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030119135120.030e7c40@travelhacker.net> Message-ID: <20030121224450.D30982@dogpound.vnet.net> * tspeight at rockygorge.com (tspeight at rockygorge.com) wrote: > I remember a domain called listquest.com that archived messages from other > lists that used a program that they said was in the public domain that > converted all email addresses in each message to a gif, thereby rendering > the email addresses useless when you tried to harvest the emails in the > archive.. Have you google'd it? > < can't see an obvious way to do this. Right now we seem to be a target for > address-harvesting, and it bothers our users. But we'd like to leave the > archives public. Is there something I can do to mailman to get this > behaviour? Thanks Moz>> Upgrade to mailman 2.1 or use an external email archiver. http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.004.htp That will step you thru the steps to use mhonarc or something like it. ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Tuesday, January 21, 2003 / 10:42PM | ---------------------------------------------- "Virtual" means never knowing where your next byte is coming from. From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Jan 22 04:55:53 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:55:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving mailman? In-Reply-To: ; from mkehler@wrha.mb.ca on Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 09:28:07AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20030121225553.E30982@dogpound.vnet.net> * Matt Kehler (mkehler at wrha.mb.ca) wrote: > I need to move my mailman install including all lists, users etc > (obviously), to a new box. The best thing I found so far in the > archives is here... > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers at python.org/msg03127.html > ...is there something better out there by now? Only other good resource is the UPGRADING file in the mailman-2.1 tarball. But its instructions are very similiar to that email. ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Tuesday, January 21, 2003 / 10:53PM | ---------------------------------------------- Writing about music is like dancing about architecture. From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Jan 22 05:00:09 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 23:00:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Danish language at mailman? In-Reply-To: <3E2C72D4.1080202@bondrup.dk>; from soren@bondrup.dk on Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 11:06:12PM +0100 References: <3E2C72D4.1080202@bondrup.dk> Message-ID: <20030121230009.F30982@dogpound.vnet.net> * Soren Bondrup (soren at bondrup.dk) wrote: > Is there a Danish Language add on coming up, or is the > Mailman project in need of a Danish translation? Looking at the README-I18N.en from the mailman-2.1 tarball, it looks like there is no Danish translation. > Can you easily add a new language in the setup? Refer to README-I18N.en for instructions on adding new translations. ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Tuesday, January 21, 2003 / 10:58PM | ---------------------------------------------- Esc key to reboot Universe, or any other key to continue... From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Jan 22 05:09:05 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 23:09:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to remove users from the bounce blacklist? In-Reply-To: <200301211655.h0LGtUb04984@lib.pte.hu>; from bogardi@lib.pte.hu on Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 05:55:30PM +0100 References: <200301211655.h0LGtUb04984@lib.pte.hu> Message-ID: <20030121230905.G30982@dogpound.vnet.net> * Bogardi Janos (bogardi at lib.pte.hu) wrote: > Is there a way to remove these addresses from the bounce blacklist? Check the membership list http:///mailman/admin//members and there is a 'nomail' column. The offending email should have a check in this spot. Uncheck it and it should start receiving email. ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Tuesday, January 21, 2003 / 11:07PM | ---------------------------------------------- Hollywood is like Picasso's bathroom. From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Wed Jan 22 06:02:03 2003 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:02:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about special MM tags... Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030122000049.034d24d0@mail.wingfoot.org> Hey all! Is there a list somewhere of the tags used in the HTML pages of lists? I've searched the web, to no avail... Thanks!!! :) Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear "Religion is for those who do what they are told regardless of what is right. Spirituality is for those who do what is right regardless of what they are told." -- unattributed From bogardi at lib.pte.hu Wed Jan 22 09:20:00 2003 From: bogardi at lib.pte.hu (Bogardi Janos) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:20:00 +0100 (MET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to remove users from the bounce blacklist? Message-ID: <200301220820.h0M8K0W16048@lib.pte.hu> Hello Matthew, Thank you for your response. > * Bogardi Janos (bogardi at lib.pte.hu) wrote: > > Is there a way to remove these addresses from the bounce blacklist? > > Check the membership list http:///mailman/admin//members > and there is a 'nomail' column. The offending email should have a check in > this spot. Uncheck it and it should start receiving email. The list members affected by the DNS outage are not on the list of the "Member management section" of the list admin interface. Since my post I've tried to fix the situation by unsubscribing all the list members, then subscribing them again, without success. Messages are still not sent to them. Here are excerpts from the logs: /home/mailman/logs/post: Jan 22 09:02:14 2003 (13236) post to alist from xy at b.com, size=1502, 60 failures /home/mailman/logs/smtp: Jan 22 09:02:14 2003 (13236) smtp for 61 recips, completed in 10.392 seconds /home/mailman/logs/bounce: Jan 22 09:02:14 2003 (13236) xxxlist: somename at somedomain.com - first -- then the same for other subscribers. Should I restart Mailman, if so, how do I do that? Or, should I backup lists, remove and then reinstall Mailman? Please help. Thank you. Janos B. From chasm at texas.net Wed Jan 22 09:34:55 2003 From: chasm at texas.net (schuetzen - RKBA!) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 02:34:55 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] member database qyestion In-Reply-To: <000001c2c0d1$6a9199a0$0601000a@lima> References: <000001c2c0d1$6a9199a0$0601000a@lima> Message-ID: assuming that Mailman is using a fully relational database is it possible to create a one to many relationship between the list of members and the names of a dozen databases? short and sweet I have a dozen elists and many of the members - ok, VERY many of the members belong to many of the elists. it would make it much easier to control a member or a class of members (bouncing, banned, change of subscription, yada) if the change could be made on a single member field in a membership table, for all of the lists those belong to. hope that is more clear than mud. thanks chas ... From chasm at texas.net Wed Jan 22 09:45:22 2003 From: chasm at texas.net (schuetzen - RKBA!) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 02:45:22 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] member database qyestion In-Reply-To: References: <000001c2c0d1$6a9199a0$0601000a@lima> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 02:34:55 -0600, schuetzen - RKBA! wrote: > >is it possible to create a one to many relationship between the list of members >and the names of a dozen databases? rephrase that I meant to ask if that is the correct expression "one to many" in stating this relationship and it should be between the member table and the elist name table. perhaps that should actually be a many to many instead?? I take too much morphine to remember all of my R:base SQL programming from almost 20 yrs ago. thanks chas ... From chris at lifeforce.de Wed Jan 22 13:20:04 2003 From: chris at lifeforce.de (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:20:04 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forbidden ( No ACCESS to Mailman ) Message-ID: <003e01c2c210$9881bda0$025ca8c0@lf> Hello experts ;) ! After installing SUSE 8.1 (Prof.) with Mailman I get an Forbidden (You don't have permission to access...) message, when I try to browse to: http://192.168.92.1/mailman/ I am using a client with the IP 192.168.92.2 and I do not have any webbroser on the server... How can I fix the problem? ( Maybe I am blind, but I can't find an description of this in the FAQ or in the manuals ) Thanks in advance Chris (germany) From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Wed Jan 22 13:37:24 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:37:24 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forbidden ( No ACCESS to Mailman ) References: <003e01c2c210$9881bda0$025ca8c0@lf> Message-ID: <3E2E9084.2070706@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ] wrote: > Hello experts ;) ! > > After installing SUSE 8.1 (Prof.) with Mailman I get an Forbidden (You don't > have permission to access...) message, when I try to browse to: > http://192.168.92.1/mailman/ This URL is forbidden by Apache configuration. You should access http://192.168.92.1/mailman/listinfo > How can I fix the problem? No problem. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Wed Jan 22 15:33:30 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:33:30 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030122101632.00aac700@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Steve In response to your input I have posted a revised version of patch #444884 for MM 2.1 on sourceforge as file htdig-2.1-0.3.patch Thanks for your heads up on the problem and your observation. Sorry for the errors. Your suggested change was not quite right; good try but no cigar.:) I've commented below on the points you raised. Any further problems or comments with the patch then let me know. Richard At 23:41 21/01/2003, Steve Huston wrote: >I've applied the patches, but have had a few problems. I emailed Richard >Barrett through sourceforge, and don't know if you got it, so I'll start with >what I've figured out since then. > >Should line 1485 of htdig-2.1-0.2.patch read "if (not ctype) or cencode:" >instead of reading "if not (ctype and cencode):"? Because with the way it >was, when I clicked on a found item from a search, it tried to download the >file as type application/octet-stream, but changing it to (not ctype) or >cencode lets it come properly as text/html. That one took a bit to figure :> The code is wrong but your solution is not correct. It should read "if not (ctype or cencode):" so that application/octet-stream is used when neither of the two (1)mime type (2)encoding can be guessed. There is also another error 3 lines down: ctype = "application/x-%s" % ctype should read: ctype = "application/x-%s" % cencode Sorry about that, I have posted a revised version of the patch (htdig-2.1-0.3.patch) with these errors corrected. >Another thing I noticed is that it seems there are quite a few references in >the code to "DEFAULT_URL", but I believe that changed to "DEFAULT_URL_HOST"; >setting DEFAULT_URL to the same thing made some of the error messages I'd >received actually work instead of dumping Python (somewhere in make_inserts). You are correct on this. htdig-2.1-0.3.patch corrects this. >Lastly, I'm a little confused by one way things fit together. Granted, it >works, but... Why does the htdig script make its results point to itself? For >example, if I search for 'foo', and find an instance, the URL that the result >points to is "http://host/mailman/htdig/listname/2003-January/000006.html". I >tried setting HTDIG_ARCHIVE_URL to "/pipermail/" instead to get it to output >the links as "http://host/pipermail/listname/2003-January/000006.html", but >this seemed to have no effect. Perhaps this works differently than I'm >thinking, but it seems more resource-effective to have the link point right to >the file instead of going through another cgi, when we know the location of >the file we're trying to get. One of the objectives of this patch was to preserve private archive privacy and make changing an archive from private to public or vice-versa a non-event from the archive search standpoint. Normally, private archive access is mediated by the $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/private.py which is what htdig.py was originally derived from. htdig.py does the same for document references returned by htsearch. I'm sure there are other ways of handling this issue and I might change it if and when I've got the time and energy. But as its working after a fashion ... I attempted to explain this in the INSTALL.htdig-mm file installed by the patch: Introduction ============ ... 3. a common base URL for both public and private archive access via htsearch results. This means that htdig indices are unaffected by changing an archive from private to public and vice versa. All access to archives via htdig is controlled by a wrapped CGI script called htdig.py. ... The patch adds: -------------- $build/INSTALL.htdig-mm This file. $prefix/cgi-bin/htdig $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/htdig.py these are a CGI script and its wrapper, which is always on the path of URLs returned from searches of htdig indices. The script provides secure access to such URLs in the same way that the $prefix/cgi-bin/private and $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/private.py. htdig.py ensures private archives are kept private, applying the same criteria for permitting access as private.py, and delivering material from public archives without demanding any authentication. >Please, call me an idiot, and explain why :> > >-- >Steve Huston - Unix Systems Administrator, Dept. of Astrophysical Sciences > Princeton University | ICBM Address: 40.346525 -74.651285 > 126 Peyton Hall |"On my ship, the Rocinante, wheeling through > Princeton, NJ 08544 | the galaxies; headed for the heart of Cygnus, > (609) 258-7375 | headlong into mystery." -Rush, 'Cygnus X-1' From jsingh at fdu.edu Wed Jan 22 16:13:10 2003 From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:13:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Machine in unresponsive In-Reply-To: <1042665098.2861.0.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <01d601c2c228$c6b3fcc0$410bee84@FDUJACK> Hello everyone I am using Mailman version 2.0.2. Python version 2,OpenBSD 3.2, MTA Sendmail. I had been testing with around 100 lists without any problem. But come Tuesday morning the machine got really really sluggish and was creating zombie process, I have no idea why. I went through faq and it seems that in my version of mailman qrunner has a problem since it can't fork and process mails if it is stuck with one email. I went to the crontab and stopped qrunner from running and am doing it manually and am getting deprecation warning because I updated the python. So I am going to update the mailman but can anyone explain why the machine is so sluggish. I only have mailman running on this machine. Thanks jack From jsingh at fdu.edu Wed Jan 22 16:17:26 2003 From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:17:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Machine in unresponsive In-Reply-To: <01d601c2c228$c6b3fcc0$410bee84@FDUJACK> Message-ID: <01d701c2c229$5efaaf10$410bee84@FDUJACK> To add to my troubles I am getting this message from sendmail now "timeout waiting for input from local during Draining input " Could anyone please help me out , I am panicking here Thanks jack -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+jsingh=fdu.edu at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jsingh=fdu.edu at python.org] On Behalf Of jsingh Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:13 AM To: 'Jon Carnes' Cc: Mailman-Users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Machine in unresponsive Hello everyone I am using Mailman version 2.0.2. Python version 2,OpenBSD 3.2, MTA Sendmail. I had been testing with around 100 lists without any problem. But come Tuesday morning the machine got really really sluggish and was creating zombie process, I have no idea why. I went through faq and it seems that in my version of mailman qrunner has a problem since it can't fork and process mails if it is stuck with one email. I went to the crontab and stopped qrunner from running and am doing it manually and am getting deprecation warning because I updated the python. So I am going to update the mailman but can anyone explain why the machine is so sluggish. I only have mailman running on this machine. Thanks jack ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jsingh at fdu.edu Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jsingh%40fdu.edu From Todd.Miller at courtesan.com Wed Jan 22 16:21:10 2003 From: Todd.Miller at courtesan.com (Todd C. Miller) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:21:10 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patches In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:33:30 GMT." <5.1.1.6.0.20030122101632.00aac700@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030122101632.00aac700@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <200301221521.h0MFLAri024651@xerxes.courtesan.com> I also get the following error from nightly_htdig: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig", line 153, in ? main() File "/var/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig", line 138, in main if status: NameError: global name 'status' is not defined Which corresponds to the code: dUmMy= (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff if status: print _('rundig failed for list %(name)s, exit code: %(status)s') It seems like "dUmMy" should be replaced by "status". - todd From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 22 16:24:46 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 22 Jan 2003 10:24:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Machine in unresponsive In-Reply-To: <01d601c2c228$c6b3fcc0$410bee84@FDUJACK> References: <01d601c2c228$c6b3fcc0$410bee84@FDUJACK> Message-ID: <1043249090.1614.21.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> It could be a corrupted or malformed message in your queue. FAQ 3.14 might be helpful. You might want to upgrade to either 2.0.13 or to the release version of 2.1.0 Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 10:13, jsingh wrote: > Hello everyone > I am using Mailman version 2.0.2. Python version 2,OpenBSD 3.2, MTA > Sendmail. I had been testing with around 100 lists without any problem. > But come Tuesday morning the machine got really really sluggish and was > creating zombie process, I have no idea why. I went through faq and it > seems that in my version of mailman qrunner has a problem since it can't > fork and process mails if it is stuck with one email. I went to the > crontab and stopped qrunner from running and am doing it manually and am > getting deprecation warning because I updated the python. So I am going > to update the mailman but can anyone explain why the machine is so > sluggish. I only have mailman running on this machine. > Thanks > jack > From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu Wed Jan 22 16:53:07 2003 From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:53:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE Message-ID: <200301221553.h0MFrhuA015637@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> But, the python commands you want me to try DO work (and mailman still yields the same errors from my previous e-mail): # python -V Python 2.2.2 # python Python 2.2.2 (#1, Jan 9 2003, 16:24:27) [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)] on sunos5 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import time >>> time.__file__ '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/time.so' So, what should I try next? (BTW, thanks for your help! :) Steve Rifkin steve410 at cs.jhu.edu > The second issue you had (no module name "time") looks like your > Python installation is broken. You should be able to do something > like the following at the command line: > > % python > Python 2.2.2 (#1, Oct 14 2002, 19:51:36) > [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.3 2.96-112)] on linux2 > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. > >>> import time > >>> time.__file__ > '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/time.so' From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Wed Jan 22 16:56:33 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:56:33 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patches In-Reply-To: <200301221521.h0MFLAri024651@xerxes.courtesan.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030122101632.00aac700@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030122153931.00aac700@pop.ftel.co.uk> Todd It would help to know which version of the patch file you are using and where you got it from. I have grep'ed my copies of the various versions of my htdig patch file and cannot find a line that reads as you assert yours does; see the grep results below. There are three lines containing the string "(os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff" in the various 2.1 patch files: one each for the scripts nightly_htdig, remote_nightly_htdig and remote_nightly_htdig_noshare. But I cannot see the assignment your copy of nightly_htdig is said to contain. It would appear to be that the file added by the patch has been "corrupted" somehow. I'd suggest download a new copy of the latest version of the patch. If I can be of further assistance then let me know. Richard mailman at mailman2:/mailman/build/patches> find . -name "htdig*.patch" | xargs grep "(os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff" ./current/htdig-2.1-0.3.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./current/htdig-2.1-0.3.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./current/htdig-2.1-0.3.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1b3-0.2.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1b3-0.2.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1b3-0.2.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1b3-0.3.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1b3-0.3.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1b3-0.3.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1b3-0.1.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1b3-0.1.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1b3-0.1.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1b4-0.1.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1b4-0.1.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1b4-0.1.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1b5-0.1.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1b5-0.1.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1b5-0.1.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1b6-0.1.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1b6-0.1.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1b6-0.1.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1rc1-0.1.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1rc1-0.1.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1rc1-0.1.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1-0.1.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1-0.1.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1-0.1.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1-0.2.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1-0.2.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff ./old/htdig-2.1-0.2.patch:+ status = (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff mailman at mailman2:/mailman/build/patches> At 15:21 22/01/2003, Todd C. Miller wrote: >I also get the following error from nightly_htdig: > >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/var/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig", line 153, in ? > main() > File "/var/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig", line 138, in main > if status: >NameError: global name 'status' is not defined > >Which corresponds to the code: > > dUmMy= (os.system(cmd) >> 8) & 0xff > if status: > print _('rundig failed for list %(name)s, exit code: %(status)s') > >It seems like "dUmMy" should be replaced by "status". > > - todd From Todd.Miller at courtesan.com Wed Jan 22 17:21:46 2003 From: Todd.Miller at courtesan.com (Todd C. Miller) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:21:46 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patches In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:56:33 GMT." <5.1.1.6.0.20030122153931.00aac700@pop.ftel.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030122101632.00aac700@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030122153931.00aac700@pop.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <200301221621.h0MGLkri000026@xerxes.courtesan.com> After a bit of head scratching I have tracked the problem down to privoxy (a filtering, ad-blocking proxy). It has the following rule in its default config: # The status bar is for displaying link targets, not pointless blahblah # s/([\n =;{}]|window\.)(default)?status\s*=/$1dUmMy=/ig which is where the dUmMy bits were coming from. - todd From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Wed Jan 22 17:39:15 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:39:15 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patches In-Reply-To: <200301221621.h0MGLkri000026@xerxes.courtesan.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030122101632.00aac700@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030122101632.00aac700@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030122153931.00aac700@pop.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030122163523.047f2050@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 16:21 22/01/2003, Todd C. Miller wrote: >After a bit of head scratching I have tracked the problem down to >privoxy (a filtering, ad-blocking proxy). It has the following >rule in its default config: > ># The status bar is for displaying link targets, not pointless blahblah ># >s/([\n =;{}]|window\.)(default)?status\s*=/$1dUmMy=/ig > >which is where the dUmMy bits were coming from. > > - todd I assume this proxy sites between your web browser and the world. Looks like an accident waiting to happen if that regex and similar is run without any further qualification against the content of every response received to an HTTP reqeust on your machine. From eluhrs at ausar.rutgers.edu Wed Jan 22 18:14:12 2003 From: eluhrs at ausar.rutgers.edu (Eric Luhrs) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:14:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] finding list members In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030122163523.047f2050@pop.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: My organization uses Mailman to manage approximately 40 mailing lists, with up to 1000 members each. Occasionally I receive email from a user who is getting duplicate messages which have been sent to multiple lists. Is there a unix-based command that will tell me which lists contain a given email address? I know I can dump addresses from a list, but this isn't efficient since we have so many of them. I'd rather search all of the lists for the needed patern. Any pointers will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in Advance, Eric Luhrs From jdecarlo at mitre.org Wed Jan 22 18:33:28 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:33:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] finding list members In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E2ED5E8.8010308@mitre.org> Eric, At least in version 2.1, there is a 'find_members' executable in the Mailman bin directory. It is designed exactly to do what you want - find what lists a user is on. Eric Luhrs wrote: > My organization uses Mailman to manage approximately 40 mailing lists, with > up to 1000 members each. Occasionally I receive email from a user who is > getting duplicate messages which have been sent to multiple lists. Is > there a unix-based command that will tell me which lists contain a given > email address? I know I can dump addresses from a list, but this isn't > efficient since we have so many of them. I'd rather search all of the > lists for the needed patern. Any pointers will be greatly appreciated. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From chris at lifeforce.de Wed Jan 22 18:55:03 2003 From: chris at lifeforce.de (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:55:03 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forbidden ( No ACCESS to Mailman ) References: <003e01c2c210$9881bda0$025ca8c0@lf> <3E2E9084.2070706@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <0ab101c2c23f$649af400$025ca8c0@lf> > This URL is forbidden by Apache configuration. You should access > http://192.168.92.1/mailman/listinfo sorry but that url ist forbidden to.. how can i change this? tia chris From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 22 19:16:51 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 22 Jan 2003 13:16:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive In-Reply-To: <000501c2c23a$b4662540$9a0bee84@FDUJACK> References: <000501c2c23a$b4662540$9a0bee84@FDUJACK> Message-ID: <1043259420.1900.4.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 12:21, jsingh wrote: > For upgrade purposes do I still need to run configure with original > options? > yes. If you still have the original source files from the install, then you can look in the config.status file, it should tell you your original ./configure statement. Good Luck From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Wed Jan 22 20:37:12 2003 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:37:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forbidden ( No ACCESS to Mailman ) In-Reply-To: <0ab101c2c23f$649af400$025ca8c0@lf> References: <003e01c2c210$9881bda0$025ca8c0@lf> <3E2E9084.2070706@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <0ab101c2c23f$649af400$025ca8c0@lf> Message-ID: On Jan 22, 2003 at 18:55, Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ] wrote: >> This URL is forbidden by Apache configuration. You should access >> http://192.168.92.1/mailman/listinfo > >sorry but that url ist forbidden to.. how can i change this? http://192.168.92.1/mailman/listinfo/ ? Check the Apache error log? -- Satya. Eschew obfuscation! From chris at lifeforce.de Wed Jan 22 20:42:00 2003 From: chris at lifeforce.de (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:42:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forbidden ( No ACCESS to Mailman ) References: <003e01c2c210$9881bda0$025ca8c0@lf><3E2E9084.2070706@is.kochi-u.ac.jp><0ab101c2c23f$649af400$025ca8c0@lf> Message-ID: <007901c2c24e$5567d160$025ca8c0@lf> thank you... i've forgot the ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/ Options ExecCGI AllowOverride None Allow from from all Order allow,deny part in my httpd.conf... (thanks, ghoti!) but where can i find a good (german) documentation: a) how to configure the mail-setting of the list (the from part), because my servername is wrong and b) how to simply create a list like support at mydomain.de ? thanks for any answers in advance (i am a newbie, but mailman looks pretty good and simple, i only can't find a good documentation how to get started) [ http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-admin-quickref-0.2.html && http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html dont realy help).... From david at midrange.com Wed Jan 22 20:37:45 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:37:45 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd error in smtp-failure log Message-ID: Is this something I should be concerned with? > Jan 17 13:11:05 2003 (20133) delivery to dennis.e.lovelady at accenture.com failed > with code 250: 2.1.5 ... Recipient ok david From chris at lifeforce.de Wed Jan 22 20:48:43 2003 From: chris at lifeforce.de (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:48:43 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] deleting a list References: <003e01c2c210$9881bda0$025ca8c0@lf><3E2E9084.2070706@is.kochi-u.ac.jp><0ab101c2c23f$649af400$025ca8c0@lf> <007901c2c24e$5567d160$025ca8c0@lf> Message-ID: <009801c2c24f$45bb4160$025ca8c0@lf> how can i delete a list again (i have taken a list name containg a space), sorry ?? (blame me) :) From chris at lifeforce.de Wed Jan 22 21:03:09 2003 From: chris at lifeforce.de (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:03:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] deleting a list References: <003e01c2c210$9881bda0$025ca8c0@lf><3E2E9084.2070706@is.kochi-u.ac.jp><0ab101c2c23f$649af400$025ca8c0@lf> <007901c2c24e$5567d160$025ca8c0@lf> <009801c2c24f$45bb4160$025ca8c0@lf> <3E2EF68A.50700@hsgcomputers.com> Message-ID: <00dd01c2c251$54bff140$025ca8c0@lf> i have tried rmlist Lifeforce\ support but it didn't work. I can still see the list in listlists ... From chris at lifeforce.de Wed Jan 22 21:07:44 2003 From: chris at lifeforce.de (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:07:44 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] deleting a list - rmlist does not remove entire list? Message-ID: <00f501c2c251$ed472f00$025ca8c0@lf> console:/mailman/bin # ./rmlist Lifeforce\ support Not removing archives. Reinvoke with -a to remove them. Removing list info console:/mailman/bin # ./list_lists 1 matching mailing lists found: Lifeforce support - [no description available] From jsingh at fdu.edu Wed Jan 22 21:09:44 2003 From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:09:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive In-Reply-To: <1043259420.1900.4.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <001e01c2c252$34adfe00$9a0bee84@FDUJACK> Sir Have you come across a situation where inodes makes the machine sluggish. Right now when I do a df -i I get 95% inode usage and that's what I believe is causing the problem. Any suggestions as to what to do Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:17 PM To: jsingh at fdu.edu Cc: Mailman users Mailing list Subject: RE: Machine in unresponsive On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 12:21, jsingh wrote: > For upgrade purposes do I still need to run configure with original > options? > yes. If you still have the original source files from the install, then you can look in the config.status file, it should tell you your original ./configure statement. Good Luck From chris at lifeforce.de Wed Jan 22 21:20:58 2003 From: chris at lifeforce.de (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:20:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] deleting a list - rmlist does not remove entire list? -- NO WAY Message-ID: <011901c2c253$cc7fd900$025ca8c0@lf> i can not chance the list name. where is it saved - to change it: From chris at lifeforce.de Wed Jan 22 21:41:56 2003 From: chris at lifeforce.de (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:41:56 +0100 Subject: Fw: [Mailman-Users] deleting a list - rmlist does not remove entire list? -- NO WAY Message-ID: <012901c2c256$b4d61460$025ca8c0@lf> ./config_list -o bla Lifeforce\ support then editing and then importing it worked... THANKS TO ALL WHO HAVE HELPED ME !!! KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK !!! SPECIAL THANKS TO: Ghoti From luon0006 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 22 21:44:35 2003 From: luon0006 at yahoo.com (Duy Luong) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:44:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help!!! Message-ID: <20030122204436.38991.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> I am upgrading my mailman from 2.0.13 to 2.1 by installing over my existing one. I got error message: Compiling /usr/local/mailman//Mailman/versions.py ... Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/update", line 48, in ? from Mailman import MailList File "/usr/local/mailman//Mailman/MailList.py", line 49, in ? from Mailman.Archiver import Archiver File "/usr/local/mailman//Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py", line 17, in ? from Archiver import * File "/usr/local/mailman//Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 36, in ? from Mailman.i18n import _ File "/usr/local/mailman//Mailman/i18n.py", line 52, in ? set_language() File "/usr/local/mailman//Mailman/i18n.py", line 34, in set_language _translation = gettext.translation('mailman', mm_cfg.MESSAGES_DIR, AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'MESSAGES_DIR' *** Error code 1 Stop in /root/mailman-2.1. Please tell me how to fix this problem. Thanks a lot __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From scott at blast.com Wed Jan 22 22:07:27 2003 From: scott at blast.com (Scott R. Every) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:07:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] dumping a large list to a file Message-ID: <2147483647.1043251647@[10.1.120.1]> I have a list with upwards of 600K emails on it. Many of the addresses on the list have the nomail bit set, yet when I use 'list_members' there seems to be no way to get only the valid emails(ie no nomail emails listed) I have a customer who needs to split this list into X number of pieces in order to send different content to each piece of the list. The problem is when we work from the file that 'list_members' outputs, mailman spins its wheels trying to deliver mail to the nomail addresses(most of which are not valid addresses) and it slows things way down because the mail server has to deal with all these bounces. I have also tried using the dumpdb tool, but it takes upward of 8 hours to dump the whole db which is far too slow. Is anyone using segmented lists with mailman? has anyone figured out a way to get just the good email addresses out of the mailman db? any help would be appreciated. thanks s Scott R. Every mailto:scott at blast.com Blast Inc. http://www.blast.com 1-800-24-BLAST ext 543 From gen-lists at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Jan 22 22:22:57 2003 From: gen-lists at blueyonder.co.uk (Mark C) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:22:57 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with sending HTML mail and using external weblinks for images Message-ID: <3E2F0BB1.9010502@blueyonder.co.uk> Hi, I'm wishing to send out a newletter once a month to several people in HTML, and rather than put the image directly in the email (to save bandwidth), it it possable to link it in with the email, so when they read it, it downloads it from the website (this will be a special directory on the mailman server), rather than have it as an attatchment I have tried creating a creating a html mail in mozilla, and then putting in a href, but that just print the link into it. Is this at all possable. Cheers Mark -- To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research. From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 22 22:24:21 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 22 Jan 2003 16:24:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd error in smtp-failure log In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1043270665.1896.65.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Looks like his mailbox was full (had reached it's specified limit/quota). I wouldn't worry about it. On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 14:37, David Gibbs wrote: > Is this something I should be concerned with? > > > Jan 17 13:11:05 2003 (20133) delivery to dennis.e.lovelady at accenture.com > failed > > with code 250: 2.1.5 ... Recipient ok > > david > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 22 22:29:56 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 22 Jan 2003 16:29:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive In-Reply-To: <001e01c2c252$34adfe00$9a0bee84@FDUJACK> References: <001e01c2c252$34adfe00$9a0bee84@FDUJACK> Message-ID: <1043271000.1896.70.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> I had problems with inodes once, it turned out that I had left a process in debug mode and it had created several tiny log files cluttering up my partition... and by several I mean >5k. I deleted those files and all was well. I haven't seen any problems with inodes under ordinary use, or even under most extraordinary use. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 15:09, jsingh wrote: > Sir > Have you come across a situation where inodes makes the machine > sluggish. Right now when I do a df -i I get 95% inode usage and that's > what I believe is causing the problem. Any suggestions as to what to do > Thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:17 PM > To: jsingh at fdu.edu > Cc: Mailman users Mailing list > Subject: RE: Machine in unresponsive > > On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 12:21, jsingh wrote: > > For upgrade purposes do I still need to run configure with original > > options? > > > yes. > > If you still have the original source files from the install, then you > can look in the config.status file, it should tell you your original > ./configure statement. > > Good Luck > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From chris at lifeforce.de Wed Jan 22 22:33:30 2003 From: chris at lifeforce.de (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:33:30 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Entry for aliases file Message-ID: <016601c2c25d$e89dd4c0$025ca8c0@lf> after making a list (newlist) i can read "Entry for aliases file:" ... where is the file to add this info too? thanks for any help From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 22 22:40:46 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 22 Jan 2003 16:40:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] dumping a large list to a file In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1043251647@[10.1.120.1]> References: <2147483647.1043251647@[10.1.120.1]> Message-ID: <1043271650.2075.81.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> This question comes up fairly regularly, so I wouldn't be surprised if its covered in the FAQ. When your lists get really big and it takes forever to do any maintenance to the config.db then you should look at using a RAM disk. You can either set aside working RAM for use as a disk or purchase a small battery backed-up RAM disk. Either way, you then simply mount the lists config directory on the RAM disk (and copy the old config directory over to it. After that your operations that used to take 8 hours take 8 minutes. The size of your Ram disk should be at least twice the size of your current config directory (which if you'll look is really quite small). Several folks on this list have similar setups and it has dramatically increased the responsiveness of huge lists - allowing them to keep Mailman running on their older less powerful servers. Another alternative is to move on up to version 2.1 and then to move all your configurations/email addresses into an SQL database. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 16:07, Scott R. Every wrote: > I have a list with upwards of 600K emails on it. Many of the addresses on > the list have the nomail bit set, yet when I use 'list_members' there seems > to be no way to get only the valid emails(ie no nomail emails listed) > > I have a customer who needs to split this list into X number of pieces in > order to send different content to each piece of the list. The problem is > when we work from the file that 'list_members' outputs, mailman spins its > wheels trying to deliver mail to the nomail addresses(most of which are not > valid addresses) and it slows things way down because the mail server has > to deal with all these bounces. > > I have also tried using the dumpdb tool, but it takes upward of 8 hours to > dump the whole db which is far too slow. > > Is anyone using segmented lists with mailman? > has anyone figured out a way to get just the good email addresses out of > the mailman db? > > any help would be appreciated. > > thanks > > s > > Scott R. Every mailto:scott at blast.com > Blast Inc. http://www.blast.com > 1-800-24-BLAST ext 543 > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From david at midrange.com Wed Jan 22 22:47:38 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:47:38 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Odd error in smtp-failure log References: <1043270665.1896.65.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: Ordinarily I would agree with you ... but this came from mailman's smtp mailer, not my sendmail. "Jon Carnes" wrote in message news:1043270665.1896.65.camel at Anns1.nc.rr.com... > Looks like his mailbox was full (had reached it's specified > limit/quota). I wouldn't worry about it. > > On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 14:37, David Gibbs wrote: > > Is this something I should be concerned with? > > > > > Jan 17 13:11:05 2003 (20133) delivery to dennis.e.lovelady at accenture.com > > failed > > > with code 250: 2.1.5 ... Recipient ok From sarah.baker at cs.cmu.edu Wed Jan 22 22:48:48 2003 From: sarah.baker at cs.cmu.edu (Sarah Baker) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:48:48 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] implicit addressing Message-ID: <0ba601c2c260$0bee22c0$ba01000a@west.cmu.edu> So we're trying to smoothly transition an existing mailing list on another system over to mailman. So we've put the mailman list as a member of the existing mailing list, and I've added that mailing list as a member of the mailman list. How can I get the mailman mailing list to accept the other mailing list name as acceptible for the list in the To: or cc: (ie not requiring explicit administrative approval)? - Sarah Baker Technical Operations Manager Carnegie Mellon University - West 650-603-7014 From jsingh at fdu.edu Wed Jan 22 22:51:10 2003 From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:51:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive In-Reply-To: <1043271000.1896.70.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <002b01c2c260$602435f0$9a0bee84@FDUJACK> Why is qrunner sending mail to the mailman user every minute. That means with the cron job it is creating an email for the mailman user. It is because of the deprication issue. -----Original Message----- From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 4:30 PM To: jsingh at fdu.edu Cc: Mailman-Users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive I had problems with inodes once, it turned out that I had left a process in debug mode and it had created several tiny log files cluttering up my partition... and by several I mean >5k. I deleted those files and all was well. I haven't seen any problems with inodes under ordinary use, or even under most extraordinary use. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 15:09, jsingh wrote: > Sir > Have you come across a situation where inodes makes the machine > sluggish. Right now when I do a df -i I get 95% inode usage and that's > what I believe is causing the problem. Any suggestions as to what to do > Thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:17 PM > To: jsingh at fdu.edu > Cc: Mailman users Mailing list > Subject: RE: Machine in unresponsive > > On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 12:21, jsingh wrote: > > For upgrade purposes do I still need to run configure with original > > options? > > > yes. > > If you still have the original source files from the install, then you > can look in the config.status file, it should tell you your original > ./configure statement. > > Good Luck > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From dan.mick at sun.com Wed Jan 22 22:57:03 2003 From: dan.mick at sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:57:03 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] dumping a large list to a file In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1043251647@[10.1.120.1]> References: <2147483647.1043251647@[10.1.120.1]> Message-ID: <3E2F13AF.8020600@sun.com> Scott R. Every wrote: > has anyone figured out a way to get just the good email addresses out of > the mailman db? bin/list_members -h . . . --nomail[=why] / -n [why] Print the members that have delivery disabled. Optional argument can be "byadmin", "byuser", "bybounce", or "unknown" which prints just the users who have delivery disabled for that reason. It can also be "enabled" which prints just those member for whom delivery is enabled. $ bin/version Using Mailman version: 2.1+ From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 22 23:04:36 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 22 Jan 2003 17:04:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with sending HTML mail and using external weblinks for images In-Reply-To: <3E2F0BB1.9010502@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <3E2F0BB1.9010502@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <1043273080.1896.105.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Yes. Marketing folks do it all the time. If you want a live example of an email that does this, just open up some spam from your mailbox and peruse the source/content of the email. Spammers us this technique all the time as a means of "registering" that the email arrived at an actual email address and was read. When a person opens the email, their Email App does a web look-up and down loads images from a website. One of the image pull downs will reference the email address (or group of email addresses) that the spam was sent to. This gives the spammers loads of info about the user: - verifies the email address as valid and used - indicates the users ip address, OS, and email client Take care - Jon Carnes BTW: Linux on the desktop helps break this "invasion" of privacy. My Evolution email client is set to "not" download images from html email. Though I can click on the email and have it download if I want it to. On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 16:22, Mark C wrote: > Hi, > > I'm wishing to send out a newletter once a month to several people in > HTML, and rather than put the image directly in the email (to save > bandwidth), it it possable to link it in with the email, so when they > read it, it downloads it from the website (this will be a special > directory on the mailman server), rather than have it as an attatchment > > I have tried creating a creating a html mail in mozilla, and then > putting in a href, but that just print the link into it. > > Is this at all possable. > > Cheers > > Mark > > -- > To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; > to steal from many is research. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 22 23:09:40 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 22 Jan 2003 17:09:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive In-Reply-To: <002b01c2c260$602435f0$9a0bee84@FDUJACK> References: <002b01c2c260$602435f0$9a0bee84@FDUJACK> Message-ID: <1043273383.1900.110.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Are you getting warning messages that your Mailman apps are calling deprecated processes in Python? I've seen that after upgrading Python. The best thing you can do after that is to re-install Mailman. I've done that at a couple of sites and it works fine after that. On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 16:51, jsingh wrote: > Why is qrunner sending mail to the mailman user every minute. That means > with the cron job it is creating an email for the mailman user. It is > because of the deprication issue. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 4:30 PM > To: jsingh at fdu.edu > Cc: Mailman-Users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive > > I had problems with inodes once, it turned out that I had left a process > in debug mode and it had created several tiny log files cluttering up my > partition... and by several I mean >5k. I deleted those files and all > was well. I haven't seen any problems with inodes under ordinary use, > or even under most extraordinary use. > > Good Luck - Jon Carnes > > On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 15:09, jsingh wrote: > > Sir > > Have you come across a situation where inodes makes the machine > > sluggish. Right now when I do a df -i I get 95% inode usage and that's > > what I believe is causing the problem. Any suggestions as to what to > do > > Thanks > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:17 PM > > To: jsingh at fdu.edu > > Cc: Mailman users Mailing list > > Subject: RE: Machine in unresponsive > > > > On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 12:21, jsingh wrote: > > > For upgrade purposes do I still need to run configure with original > > > options? > > > > > yes. > > > > If you still have the original source files from the install, then you > > can look in the config.status file, it should tell you your original > > ./configure statement. > > > > Good Luck > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > From jsingh at fdu.edu Wed Jan 22 23:12:08 2003 From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:12:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive In-Reply-To: <1043273383.1900.110.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <002e01c2c263$4e2a2190$9a0bee84@FDUJACK> But I think I will still have to make a newfs for the partition where I am getting I node issues, any suggestions? -----Original Message----- From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:10 PM To: jsingh at fdu.edu Cc: Mailman-Users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive Are you getting warning messages that your Mailman apps are calling deprecated processes in Python? I've seen that after upgrading Python. The best thing you can do after that is to re-install Mailman. I've done that at a couple of sites and it works fine after that. On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 16:51, jsingh wrote: > Why is qrunner sending mail to the mailman user every minute. That means > with the cron job it is creating an email for the mailman user. It is > because of the deprication issue. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 4:30 PM > To: jsingh at fdu.edu > Cc: Mailman-Users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive > > I had problems with inodes once, it turned out that I had left a process > in debug mode and it had created several tiny log files cluttering up my > partition... and by several I mean >5k. I deleted those files and all > was well. I haven't seen any problems with inodes under ordinary use, > or even under most extraordinary use. > > Good Luck - Jon Carnes > > On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 15:09, jsingh wrote: > > Sir > > Have you come across a situation where inodes makes the machine > > sluggish. Right now when I do a df -i I get 95% inode usage and that's > > what I believe is causing the problem. Any suggestions as to what to > do > > Thanks > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:17 PM > > To: jsingh at fdu.edu > > Cc: Mailman users Mailing list > > Subject: RE: Machine in unresponsive > > > > On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 12:21, jsingh wrote: > > > For upgrade purposes do I still need to run configure with original > > > options? > > > > > yes. > > > > If you still have the original source files from the install, then you > > can look in the config.status file, it should tell you your original > > ./configure statement. > > > > Good Luck > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > From gen-lists at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Jan 22 23:18:50 2003 From: gen-lists at blueyonder.co.uk (Mark C) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:18:50 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with sending HTML mail and using external weblinks for images In-Reply-To: <1043273080.1896.105.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <3E2F0BB1.9010502@blueyonder.co.uk> <1043273080.1896.105.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <3E2F18CA.9090308@blueyonder.co.uk> Jon Carnes wrote: > Yes. Marketing folks do it all the time. If you want a live example of > an email that does this, just open up some spam from your mailbox and > peruse the source/content of the email. But this does sound silly, how would I put that link into the html? As I presuem the only way to get Mailman to send the html format mail, would be to copose it in youre email client, and if I referance a http address, it will diplay that rather than an image? Mark -- To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research. From drobbins at drobbins.net Wed Jan 22 23:28:54 2003 From: drobbins at drobbins.net (Dave Robbins) Date: 22 Jan 2003 17:28:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help a newbie Message-ID: <1043274534.8387.61.camel@tomcat> hi folks, I'm new so be gentle mailman 2.1 redhat 8.0 ran the program to set the site password edited http.conf so I can use the web interface ran the script to setup a list called cabin added stuff to /etc/aliases like the script said ran newaliases to rebuild aliases db tried to join the list, got a confirmation email when I replied, it bounced. said "unknown user: "cabin-request"" seems like something wrong with the aliase stuff, can anyone help? Thanx Dave From barry at python.org Wed Jan 22 23:27:41 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:27:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive References: <1043271000.1896.70.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <002b01c2c260$602435f0$9a0bee84@FDUJACK> Message-ID: <15919.6877.330740.759244@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "jsingh" == writes: jsingh> Why is qrunner sending mail to the mailman user every jsingh> minute. That means with the cron job it is creating an jsingh> email for the mailman user. It is because of the jsingh> deprication issue. Be sure you're using the latest versions of Mailman, either 2.0.13 or 2.1.0. Both should be immune to deprecation warnings in any released version of Python (and even Python 2.3 alpha, but that isn't tested as thoroughly). -Barry From jsingh at fdu.edu Wed Jan 22 23:35:39 2003 From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:35:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive In-Reply-To: <1043273383.1900.110.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <003901c2c266$96f86870$9a0bee84@FDUJACK> I also noticed one more thing, I had temporarily shutdown my MTA on Friday and forgot to restart it, now my clientmqueue size is 6799360 . I think that might be my problem. Thanks for all ur help guys, I will post back once I am done clearing the directory -----Original Message----- From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:10 PM To: jsingh at fdu.edu Cc: Mailman-Users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive Are you getting warning messages that your Mailman apps are calling deprecated processes in Python? I've seen that after upgrading Python. The best thing you can do after that is to re-install Mailman. I've done that at a couple of sites and it works fine after that. On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 16:51, jsingh wrote: > Why is qrunner sending mail to the mailman user every minute. That means > with the cron job it is creating an email for the mailman user. It is > because of the deprication issue. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 4:30 PM > To: jsingh at fdu.edu > Cc: Mailman-Users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] RE: Machine in unresponsive > > I had problems with inodes once, it turned out that I had left a process > in debug mode and it had created several tiny log files cluttering up my > partition... and by several I mean >5k. I deleted those files and all > was well. I haven't seen any problems with inodes under ordinary use, > or even under most extraordinary use. > > Good Luck - Jon Carnes > > On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 15:09, jsingh wrote: > > Sir > > Have you come across a situation where inodes makes the machine > > sluggish. Right now when I do a df -i I get 95% inode usage and that's > > what I believe is causing the problem. Any suggestions as to what to > do > > Thanks > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:17 PM > > To: jsingh at fdu.edu > > Cc: Mailman users Mailing list > > Subject: RE: Machine in unresponsive > > > > On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 12:21, jsingh wrote: > > > For upgrade purposes do I still need to run configure with original > > > options? > > > > > yes. > > > > If you still have the original source files from the install, then you > > can look in the config.status file, it should tell you your original > > ./configure statement. > > > > Good Luck > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > From barry at python.org Wed Jan 22 23:36:52 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:36:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with sending HTML mail and using external weblinks for images References: <3E2F0BB1.9010502@blueyonder.co.uk> <1043273080.1896.105.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <3E2F18CA.9090308@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <15919.7428.489839.222924@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "MC" == Mark C writes: >> Yes. Marketing folks do it all the time. If you want a live >> example of an email that does this, just open up some spam from >> your mailbox and peruse the source/content of the email. MC> But this does sound silly, how would I put that link into the MC> html? As I presuem the only way to get Mailman to send the MC> html format mail, would be to copose it in youre email client, MC> and if I referance a http address, it will diplay that rather MC> than an image? This isn't really a Mailman issue, other than to configure the list to pass the MIME content you want to pass through. I'm sure there's some MIME goo you can add to your attachments to get (some) mail readers to display the image inline, but off-hand I don't remember what they are and I don't have access to the RFCs at the moment. I'm guessing some kind of multipart/related with a Content-Disposition: inline thingie. -Barry From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 22 23:36:21 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 22 Jan 2003 17:36:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] implicit addressing In-Reply-To: <0ba601c2c260$0bee22c0$ba01000a@west.cmu.edu> References: <0ba601c2c260$0bee22c0$ba01000a@west.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <1043274985.2075.137.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Hmmm... That sounds like an unending email circle. How about this: - redirect the alias for the new Mailman list to the current list. - create a second unadvertised alias and point that at the Mailman list - subscribe this second unadvertised alias to the current list - as you delete them from the current list, add them to the Mailman list That should get you what you want. All requests (using the current list name and the new Mailman list name) go to the current list where it gets sent to any folks still on the old list and then sent to any folks who have been moved over to the Mailman list. Once everyone is moved over, then you simply remove the redirect from the Mailman list (replacing the unadvertised alias with the real alias) and all is well. For this to work you will will still need to take care of the implicit destination problem. Configure your Mailman list to either, allow non-explicit destinations (the name of the mailing list does not appear in the To: field or the CC: field of the email). Under Privacy Options in the Web-admin: Must posts have list named in destination (to, cc) field (or be among the acceptable alias names, specified below == No or fill in the names of the current list and the second unadvertised list as acceptable aliases for this Mailman list Under Privacy Options in the Web-admin: Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to or cc destination names for this list Hope this wasn't too confusing! -- Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 16:48, Sarah Baker wrote: > So we're trying to smoothly transition an existing > mailing list on another system over to mailman. > > So we've put the mailman list as a member of the > existing mailing list, and I've added that mailing > list as a member of the mailman list. > > How can I get the mailman mailing list to accept > the other mailing list name as acceptible > for the list in the To: or cc: (ie not requiring explicit > administrative approval)? > > - > Sarah Baker > Technical Operations Manager > Carnegie Mellon University - West > 650-603-7014 > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From barry at python.org Wed Jan 22 23:43:51 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:43:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] implicit addressing References: <0ba601c2c260$0bee22c0$ba01000a@west.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <15919.7847.154770.552517@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "SB" == Sarah Baker writes: SB> How can I get the mailman mailing list to accept SB> the other mailing list name as acceptible SB> for the list in the To: or cc: (ie not requiring explicit SB> administrative approval)? In Mailman 2.1: Privacy -> Recipient Filters -> acceptable_aliases -Barry From gen-lists at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Jan 22 23:44:22 2003 From: gen-lists at blueyonder.co.uk (Mark C) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:44:22 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with sending HTML mail and using external weblinks for images In-Reply-To: <15919.7428.489839.222924@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <3E2F0BB1.9010502@blueyonder.co.uk> <1043273080.1896.105.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <3E2F18CA.9090308@blueyonder.co.uk> <15919.7428.489839.222924@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <3E2F1EC6.8080403@blueyonder.co.uk> Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > This isn't really a Mailman issue, At least some actually tried to help me, as any this else I have posted that *IS* mailman related, I never got a reply. > other than to configure the list to > pass the MIME content you want to pass through. I'm sure there's some > MIME goo you can add to your attachments to get (some) mail readers to > display the image inline, but off-hand I don't remember what they are > and I don't have access to the RFCs at the moment. I'm guessing some > kind of multipart/related with a Content-Disposition: inline thingie. Thanks for the advise. Mark -- To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research. From barry at python.org Wed Jan 22 23:45:16 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:45:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Odd error in smtp-failure log References: <1043270665.1896.65.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <15919.7932.8165.827662@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "DG" == David Gibbs writes: DG> Ordinarily I would agree with you ... but this came from DG> mailman's smtp mailer, not my sendmail. Mailman uses your local smtpd to do the sending so it /is/ coming from your sendmail. -Barry From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 22 23:50:54 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 22 Jan 2003 17:50:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help a newbie In-Reply-To: <1043274534.8387.61.camel@tomcat> References: <1043274534.8387.61.camel@tomcat> Message-ID: <1043275857.1900.141.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> What are you using as your MTA. If it's Postfix then read the README.POSTFIX that comes with the install. If you are using sendmail then check the aliases in /etc/aliases and make sure that you don't have a typo for the alias cabin-request Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 17:28, Dave Robbins wrote: > hi folks, > I'm new so be gentle > mailman 2.1 > redhat 8.0 > ran the program to set the site password > edited http.conf so I can use the web interface > ran the script to setup a list called cabin > added stuff to /etc/aliases like the script said > ran newaliases to rebuild aliases db > tried to join the list, got a confirmation email > when I replied, it bounced. said "unknown user: "cabin-request"" > seems like something wrong with the aliase stuff, can anyone help? > > Thanx > Dave > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From david at midrange.com Wed Jan 22 23:57:16 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:57:16 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Odd error in smtp-failure log In-Reply-To: <15919.7932.8165.827662@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <1043270665.1896.65.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030122165407.03c10898@linux.midrange.com> At 04:45 PM 1/22/2003, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > DG> Ordinarily I would agree with you ... but this came from > DG> mailman's smtp mailer, not my sendmail. >Mailman uses your local smtpd to do the sending so it /is/ coming from >your sendmail. Yes, so that begs the question ... why is mailman not understanding a response from sendmail? The sendmail that mailman is sending to is 'queueing only' with no DNS resolution. david -- | Internet: david at midrange.com | WWW: http://david.fallingrock.net | AIM: MidrangeMan | | We're not in the middle of nowhere... | we're on the outskirts of everywhere! | - DMRoth (adapted) From mattbrown.lists at lamphost.net Wed Jan 22 16:17:22 2003 From: mattbrown.lists at lamphost.net (Matt Brown) Date: 22 Jan 2003 15:17:22 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] dumping a large list to a file In-Reply-To: <1043271650.2075.81.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <2147483647.1043251647@[10.1.120.1]> <1043271650.2075.81.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <1043248641.1641.95.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 21:40, Jon Carnes wrote: > Another alternative is to move on up to version 2.1 and then to move all > your configurations/email addresses into an SQL database. Anyone have any pointers on where to start with this? I'd like to be able to store list info in an SQL (MySQL) database. I've seen refernences to this being done, but can't find any specific examples and don't know how to make it happen. Thanks, Matt Brown From drobbins at drobbins.net Thu Jan 23 00:25:29 2003 From: drobbins at drobbins.net (Dave Robbins) Date: 22 Jan 2003 18:25:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help a newbie In-Reply-To: <1043275857.1900.141.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <1043274534.8387.61.camel@tomcat> <1043275857.1900.141.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <1043277929.11865.70.camel@tomcat> he,he silly me I thought that since redhat includes postfix as an MTA, if a mailman README.POSTFIX existed they would include it he,he silly me I snagged the original source and whaddayaknow, it includes all the docs let me read em and I bet my problems go away thank Jon, support like this is wonderful Dave On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 17:50, Jon Carnes wrote: > What are you using as your MTA. If it's Postfix then read the > README.POSTFIX that comes with the install. > > If you are using sendmail then check the aliases in /etc/aliases and > make sure that you don't have a typo for the alias cabin-request > > Good Luck - Jon Carnes > > On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 17:28, Dave Robbins wrote: > > hi folks, > > I'm new so be gentle > > mailman 2.1 > > redhat 8.0 > > ran the program to set the site password > > edited http.conf so I can use the web interface > > ran the script to setup a list called cabin > > added stuff to /etc/aliases like the script said > > ran newaliases to rebuild aliases db > > tried to join the list, got a confirmation email > > when I replied, it bounced. said "unknown user: "cabin-request"" > > seems like something wrong with the aliase stuff, can anyone help? > > > > Thanx > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > From chris at lifeforce.de Thu Jan 23 01:13:51 2003 From: chris at lifeforce.de (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:13:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] fetching of new mail does not work Message-ID: <004701c2c274$4f635520$025ca8c0@lf> I have created a mailing list (support at lifeforce.de). The Mailbox is hosted by strato (www.strato.de) and I want to pop it via fetchmail...(mailboxname: support at lifeforce.de , alias1: support-admin , alias2: support-request) . fetchmail works, but the messages in the mailbox are skipped - WHY? i have created the list via the newlist-script... then i have copied the aliases to my /etc/aliases.d/mailman file... then i ran newaliases. the /etc/aliases.d/mailman.db file is younger than the mailman file in the same directory. because of newaliases this should not be , OR? can anyone help me.... when i subscribe to a list, the subscriptionmail is transfered to me, but my answer is totaly ignored... what did i do wrong? thanks for any help .fetchmailrc ------------ poll post.strato.de protocol POP3 user "support at lifeforce.de" pass "***********" fetchmail.log ------------- fetchmail: POP3> USER support at lifeforce.de fetchmail: POP3< +OK Waiting for password fetchmail: POP3> PASS fetchmail: POP3< +OK User logged in, proceed. fetchmail: POP3> STAT fetchmail: POP3< +OK 5 4573 fetchmail: POP3> LAST fetchmail: POP3< +OK 5 fetchmail: 5 messages (5 seen) for support at lifeforce.de at post.strato.de (4573 octets). fetchmail: POP3> LIST fetchmail: POP3< +OK 5 messages, listing follows fetchmail: POP3< 1 1091 fetchmail: POP3< 2 825 fetchmail: POP3< 3 829 fetchmail: POP3< 4 914 fetchmail: POP3< 5 914 fetchmail: POP3< . fetchmail: skipping message support at lifeforce.de@post.strato.de:1 (1091 octets) not flushed fetchmail: skipping message support at lifeforce.de@post.strato.de:2 (825 octets) not flushed fetchmail: skipping message support at lifeforce.de@post.strato.de:3 (829 octets) not flushed fetchmail: skipping message support at lifeforce.de@post.strato.de:4 (914 octets) not flushed fetchmail: skipping message support at lifeforce.de@post.strato.de:5 (914 octets) not flushed fetchmail: POP3> QUIT fetchmail: POP3< +OK Closing connection fetchmail: 5.9.13 querying post.strato.de (protocol POP3) at Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:06:08 +0100 (CET): poll completed fetchmail: sleeping at Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:06:08 +0100 (CET) /etc/aliases.d/mailman ---------------------- # # Aliases file for Mailman # # # System aliases. Change 'mailman' entry if you don't want to mess up your # root's mail. # mailman: root mailman-owner: mailman # # Here add aliases for your mailing lists. Simply use the lines generated by # /usr/lib/mailman/bin/newlist script. # support: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post support" support-admin: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner support" support-request: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd support" support-owner: support-admin From bignose at zip.com.au Thu Jan 23 01:16:59 2003 From: bignose at zip.com.au (Ben Finney) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:16:59 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest topic list - spurious line breaks Message-ID: <20030123001659.GB1017@zip.com.au> Howdy, I'm subscribed to a number of Mailman lists in digest form. There is a marked difference between the topic lists generated by Mailman 2.0.x and Mailman 2.1. Many of the topic lines are split at odd places, making reading them very arduous. Line breaks at the beginning of the topic or in the middle are not uncommon, and sometimes the line break is in the middle of a word! An example: the Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 4, Issue 68 has the following topic list: > Today's Topics: > > 1. finding list members (Eric Luhrs) > 2. Re: finding list members (John DeCarlo) > 3. Re: Forbidden ( No ACCESS to Mailman ) > (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) > 4. RE: Machine in unresponsive (Jon Carnes) > 5. Re: Forbidden ( No ACCESS to Mailman ) (Satya) > 6. Re: Forbidden ( No ACCESS to Mailman ) > (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) > 7. Odd error in smtp-failure log (David Gibbs) > 8. deleting a list (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) > 9. Re: deleting a list (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) > 10. deleting a list - rmlist does not remove entire list? > (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) > 11. RE: Machine in unresponsive (jsingh) > 12. > deleting a list - rmlist does not remove entire list? -- NO WAY > (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) > 13. Fw: [Mailman-Users] deleting a list - rmlist does not remove > entire > list? -- NO WAY (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) > 14. Help!!! (Duy Luong) > 15. dumping a large list to a file (Scott R. Every) Items 12 and 13 in particular illustrate the problem. -- \ "My theory of evolution is that Darwin was adopted." -- Steven | `\ Wright | _o__) | bignose at zip.com.au F'print 9CFE12B0 791A4267 887F520C B7AC2E51 BD41714B From jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org Thu Jan 23 00:54:34 2003 From: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org (Jim Hale) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:54:34 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reason: Message has implicit destination Message-ID: <007301c2c271$9d47da20$fa010a0a@HALE.local> If I send a message to my lists they go thru just fine but if anyone NOT on the same Email server as the Mailing List sends a message to a list, I get a message saying that the messager requires approval because 'Reason: Message has implicit destination'. :/ Why does it do this? Thanks! :) Jim Hale --- 'The OS Tells The PC What To Do With Itself" - Me, 1990 --- Visit Our Personal Website at http://hale.dyndns.org, Our Forums at http://haleforum.dyndns.org or Our Photo Galleries at http://hale.dyndns.org/modules/gallery From dan.mick at sun.com Thu Jan 23 01:55:19 2003 From: dan.mick at sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:55:19 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reason: Message has implicit destination In-Reply-To: <007301c2c271$9d47da20$fa010a0a@HALE.local> References: <007301c2c271$9d47da20$fa010a0a@HALE.local> Message-ID: <3E2F3D77.9020003@sun.com> Jim Hale wrote: > If I send a message to my lists they go thru just fine but if anyone NOT > on the same Email server as the Mailing List sends a message to a list, > I get a message saying that the messager requires approval because > 'Reason: Message has implicit destination'. :/ means "the list was Bcc'ed". you can allow that if you want. From tmaddox at thereinc.com Thu Jan 23 02:17:05 2003 From: tmaddox at thereinc.com (Tom Maddox) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:17:05 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing list headers Message-ID: Hi, all, I just upgraded to Mailman 2.1, and apparently a change has been made in how the From: header is contructed. I'd like to change it back. The specific issue is that mail for each list appears to the client as from -bounces at domain.com instead of as being from the actual sender, which was the behavior previously. It's a minor issue, but it's irritating a lot of my subscribers, so I'd like to resolve it. Thanks! Tom From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Thu Jan 23 02:25:32 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:25:32 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest topic list - spurious line breaks References: <20030123001659.GB1017@zip.com.au> Message-ID: <3E2F448C.6030907@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, > Many of the topic lines are split at odd places, making reading them > very arduous. Line breaks at the beginning of the topic or in the > middle are not uncommon, and sometimes the line break is in the middle > of a word! Try this patch. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=668819&group_id=103&atid=300103 >> 12. >> deleting a list - rmlist does not remove entire list? -- NO WAY >> (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) >> 13. Fw: [Mailman-Users] deleting a list - rmlist does not remove >> entire >> list? -- NO WAY (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) These lines are multiple line header originally. Current code wraps these lines separately. With the patch, lines are joind first before wrapping. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From barry at python.org Thu Jan 23 02:49:32 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:49:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Odd error in smtp-failure log References: <1043270665.1896.65.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20030122165407.03c10898@linux.midrange.com> Message-ID: <15919.18988.496990.495028@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "DG" == David Gibbs writes: DG> Yes, so that begs the question ... why is mailman not DG> understanding a response from sendmail? DG> The sendmail that mailman is sending to is 'queueing only' DG> with no DNS resolution. It's hard to tell exactly what's going on, but because you're seeing a 250 result in smtp-failure, I'm guessing that the connection to sendmail is throwing an exception.. Check your mail server logs to see if anything "weird" is going on. -Barry From barry at python.org Thu Jan 23 02:58:04 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:58:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest topic list - spurious line breaks References: <20030123001659.GB1017@zip.com.au> Message-ID: <15919.19500.44177.95808@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "BF" == Ben Finney writes: BF> Many of the topic lines are split at odd places, making BF> reading them very arduous. Line breaks at the beginning of BF> the topic or in the middle are not uncommon, and sometimes the BF> line break is in the middle of a word! I know, but I haven't figured this one out yet. -Barry From barry at python.org Thu Jan 23 03:07:50 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:07:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest topic list - spurious line breaks References: <20030123001659.GB1017@zip.com.au> <3E2F448C.6030907@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <15919.20086.635917.588106@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "TK" == Tokio Kikuchi writes: TK> These lines are multiple line header originally. Current code TK> wraps these lines separately. With the patch, lines are joind TK> first before wrapping. Nice! -Barry From rpyne at kinfolk.org Thu Jan 23 06:52:49 2003 From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard B. Pyne) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:52:49 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman feature request In-Reply-To: <15919.20086.635917.588106@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <3E2F20C1.23065.1479B8F@localhost> Barry, First, thanks for all the nice new features. I have three minor requests for the next round. 1) When displaying the domain name in the listinfo and other web page headers, use the value from the preferred domain setting such that it will display in upper/lower case instead of all lower case. 2) Now that mailman keeps a name along with the email address (YEA!!!!!), It needs to (at least optionally) display the name with the email address in the member list. 3) Make requiring a password to unsubscribe optional. I manage a rather large list where I have applied the work around of setting up an unsubscribe address that runs through a script to add the master password before sending the request on to mailman. The problem is that there are too many people out there who forward their mail around until they have no idea what email address they subscribed from, so I spend half of my day wading through messages about failed unsubscribe requests. I can't have these go directly to the user because they reveal the master password. Annother nice, but I am sure very difficult feature, would be a way to include the subscribed email address in the outgoin email. Again, thanks Barry for all you work. Regards, Richard ------------------------------ Richard B. Pyne, NZ7K rpyne at kinfolk.org http://pyne.kinfolk.org/rbp2 From john at io.com Thu Jan 23 09:05:08 2003 From: john at io.com (John Buttery) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 02:05:08 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman feature request In-Reply-To: <3E2F20C1.23065.1479B8F@localhost> References: <15919.20086.635917.588106@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <3E2F20C1.23065.1479B8F@localhost> Message-ID: <20030123080507.GB3963@io.com> * "Richard B. Pyne" [2003-01-22 22:52:49 -0700]: > 2) Now that mailman keeps a name along with the email address > (YEA!!!!!), It needs to (at least optionally) display the name with > the email address in the member list. Yeah, that would be nifty. > Annother nice, but I am sure very difficult feature, would be a way to > include the subscribed email address in the outgoin email. Doesn't 2.1 already do this with the personalization? Every email I get from this list has this at the bottom: This message was sent to: john at io.com (among other text) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From chris at lifeforce.de Thu Jan 23 09:48:30 2003 From: chris at lifeforce.de (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:48:30 +0100 Subject: Fw: [Mailman-Users] fetching of new mail does not work Message-ID: <001601c2c2bc$347ad2e0$025ca8c0@lf> now i have modified the aliases in the etc directory and ran newaliases again. no change... what do i do wrong? i am working with suse 8.1 prof. ( could it be the crontab? why are the messaged skipped? ) See original Mail for more info (copy+paste of configuration files) From jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org Thu Jan 23 13:27:38 2003 From: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org (Jim Hale) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 06:27:38 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing Attachment Size Limitations Message-ID: <00b201c2c2da$f4703a90$fa010a0a@HALE.local> One of my lists always (well - 95% of the time) has attachments. MM keeps sending me 'waiting for approval' messages whenever the message size is over 100k. How do I change that limit to, say, 200k? Thanks! :) Jim Hale --- 'The OS Tells The PC What To Do With Itself" - Me, 1990 --- Visit Our Personal Website at http://hale.dyndns.org, Our Forums at http://haleforum.dyndns.org or Our Photo Galleries at http://hale.dyndns.org/modules/gallery From detlef.neubauer at charite.de Thu Jan 23 14:23:20 2003 From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer) Date: 23 Jan 2003 14:23:20 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] deleting a list In-Reply-To: "Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]"'s message of "Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:03:09 +0100" References: <003e01c2c210$9881bda0$025ca8c0@lf> <3E2E9084.2070706@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <0ab101c2c23f$649af400$025ca8c0@lf> <009801c2c24f$45bb4160$025ca8c0@lf> <3E2EF68A.50700@hsgcomputers.com> <00dd01c2c251$54bff140$025ca8c0@lf> Message-ID: "Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]" writes: > i have tried > > rmlist Lifeforce\ support > > but it didn't work. > > I can still see the list in listlists ... Login as mailman or root, cd $MAILMANHOME, rm -rf "lists/your_list_with_s p a c e s" and for archives do the same in archives/private too. Mit freundlichen Gruessen Detlef Neubauer -- .oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo. From chris at lifeforce.de Thu Jan 23 15:18:24 2003 From: chris at lifeforce.de (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:18:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman configuration Message-ID: <002101c2c2ea$4fd39f80$025ca8c0@lf> > ich habe folgendes problem (in der group antwortet leider niemand)... > > die mails werden in einer mailbox bei strato gesammelt. diese werden dann > via fetchmail abgeholt. leider steht im protokoll von fetchmail, dass er > diese mails immer ?berspringt... > > ich bekomme eine best?tigungsmail, wenn ich eine liste abboniere (um die > subscription zu best?tigen). aber ab dann klappt gar nichts mehr... > > im manuel steht zwar, es k?nne an den cronjobs liegen, aber da habe ich > keine ahnung von. > > ich habe suse 8.1 prof . > > f?r jeden hilfeansatz w?re ich dankbar. alle sonstigen configurationsdatein sind hier in der liste (23.01.2003 um 01:13) geschrieben. From rpyne at kinfolk.org Thu Jan 23 15:54:29 2003 From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard B. Pyne) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:54:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman feature request In-Reply-To: <20030123080507.GB3963@io.com> References: <3E2F20C1.23065.1479B8F@localhost> Message-ID: <3E2F9FB5.17744.3CCD5D@localhost> On 23 Jan 2003 at 2:05, John Buttery wrote: --snip-- > > Annother nice, but I am sure very difficult feature, would be a way to > > include the subscribed email address in the outgoin email. > > Doesn't 2.1 already do this with the personalization? Every email I > get from this list has this at the bottom: > > This message was sent to: john at io.com > > (among other text) (Wiping the egg from my face) Oops, I missed that. Great feature, it should go a long way to reducing my workload. Thanks Barry. --Richard ------------------------------ Richard B. Pyne, NZ7K rpyne at kinfolk.org http://pyne.kinfolk.org/rbp2 From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 23 16:51:50 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 23 Jan 2003 10:51:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Entry for aliases file In-Reply-To: <016601c2c25d$e89dd4c0$025ca8c0@lf> References: <016601c2c25d$e89dd4c0$025ca8c0@lf> Message-ID: <1043337114.2257.5.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> /etc/aliases (on most systems, but it depends on your MTA: Sendmail, Postfix, Qmail, Exim, whatever). On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 16:33, Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ] wrote: > after making a list (newlist) i can read > "Entry for aliases file:" > ... > > > where is the file to add this info too? > > thanks for any help > > From chris at lifeforce.de Thu Jan 23 17:05:11 2003 From: chris at lifeforce.de (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:05:11 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Entry for aliases file References: <016601c2c25d$e89dd4c0$025ca8c0@lf> <1043337114.2257.5.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <002f01c2c2f9$381c01c0$025ca8c0@lf> i had an copy + paste in the mail sent: 23.01.03 01:13 sent by me (Chris [www.LiFEFORCE.de]) i think the problem is not to sent something, because the mail to submit my subsciption is sent to me.. but when i answer nothing happens. so maybe the cron-jobs ?! where is an howto? or the fetchmail... my question first of all: why are theese mails skipped? > > where is the file to add this info too? From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 23 17:18:11 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 23 Jan 2003 11:18:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reason: Message has implicit destination In-Reply-To: <007301c2c271$9d47da20$fa010a0a@HALE.local> References: <007301c2c271$9d47da20$fa010a0a@HALE.local> Message-ID: <1043338695.2253.18.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> It could be that more than one domain or host name resolves to your particular host (ie: list at mail.dom.ain, list at mailserver.dom.ain, and list at dom.ain may all end up on the same machine). Though each address may point to the same email list on the same host, Mailman may see them as being different. Some MTA's can also modify the incoming email and adjust/translate the name and domains. I've seen that mainly with folks running virtual domains. If that is your problem then you can simply put the other various names that folks might use into the "explicit aliases" list under privacy options in the web-admin. HtH - Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 18:54, Jim Hale wrote: > If I send a message to my lists they go thru just fine but if anyone NOT > on the same Email server as the Mailing List sends a message to a list, > I get a message saying that the messager requires approval because > 'Reason: Message has implicit destination'. :/ > > Why does it do this? > > Thanks! :) > > Jim Hale > --- > 'The OS Tells The PC What To Do With Itself" - Me, 1990 > --- > Visit Our Personal Website at http://hale.dyndns.org, Our Forums at > http://haleforum.dyndns.org or Our Photo Galleries at > http://hale.dyndns.org/modules/gallery > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jchum at aismedia.com Thu Jan 23 17:51:47 2003 From: jchum at aismedia.com (Jonathan Chum) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:51:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How does the core of Mailman function? Message-ID: <000b01c2c2ff$b843df20$cd1b9642@atlp.aismedia.com> I'm interested on how Mailman is able to deliver out emails rapidly. I'm curious on whether it opens a pipe to Sendmail or Qmail, injects the message, then closes the pipe after each message it delivers or does it write a file directly into a queue folder waiting to be sent... The reason I ask is that people say SMTP is faster than mailing via Qmail and that by opening/closing a pipe to Qmail, it adds more overhead. Also, you'll fill up disk space faster by queuing up messages than to directly email the message. I'm weighing down alternatives and method of mail delivery for a large client of ours. Regards, Jonathan Chum Systems Developer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A I S M e d i a , I n c . "We Build eBusinesses" 115 Perimeter Center Terrace Suite 540 Atlanta, GA 30346 Tel: 800.784.0919, Ext 502 / Fax: 770.350.9409 http://www.aismedia.com / jchum at aismedia.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From barry at python.org Thu Jan 23 18:09:22 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:09:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How does the core of Mailman function? References: <000b01c2c2ff$b843df20$cd1b9642@atlp.aismedia.com> Message-ID: <15920.8642.172627.636009@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "JC" == Jonathan Chum writes: JC> I'm interested on how Mailman is able to deliver out emails JC> rapidly. I'm curious on whether it opens a pipe to Sendmail or JC> Qmail, injects the message, then closes the pipe after each JC> message it delivers or does it write a file directly into a JC> queue folder waiting to be sent... JC> The reason I ask is that people say SMTP is faster than JC> mailing via Qmail and that by opening/closing a pipe to Qmail, JC> it adds more overhead. Also, you'll fill up disk space faster JC> by queuing up messages than to directly email the message. JC> I'm weighing down alternatives and method of mail delivery for JC> a large client of ours. Although this is probably a topic better discussed on mailman-developers, I'll explain a little about what Mailman does. Stock Mailman uses a dedicated mta to do final off-site delivery of the messages, e.g. exim, sendmail, qmail, postfix. There are a lot of good reasons for this, e.g. dedicated mtas can do that job much more reliably and efficiently, and can be configured to have very efficient hand-offs from Mailman. Think about delivery retries for example. Mailman also has efficiencies for reusing socket connections to the mta so it's not as bad as one connection per message per recipient. You could conceivably write a bulk mailer/mta for Mailman, and in fact very early versions had such a beast. But it's a lot of work to build in all the tunable parameters, cross platform compatibility, reliable retries, etc. etc. that a typical mta has. I see it as outside the scope of Mailman, but Mailman could utilize such an open source tool if there were people motivated enough to write and maintain one. The fact that none exists tells me that the existing arrangement works just fine for most people. -Barry From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 23 18:10:34 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 23 Jan 2003 12:10:34 -0500 Subject: Fw: [Mailman-Users] fetching of new mail does not work In-Reply-To: <001601c2c2bc$347ad2e0$025ca8c0@lf> References: <001601c2c2bc$347ad2e0$025ca8c0@lf> Message-ID: <1043341837.2253.41.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Did you start mailmanctl? Is it running? What version of Mailman is this? On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 03:48, Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ] wrote: > now i have modified the aliases in the etc directory and ran newaliases > again. no change... > > what do i do wrong? > > i am working with suse 8.1 prof. > > ( could it be the crontab? why are the messaged skipped? ) > > > See original Mail for more info (copy+paste of configuration files) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 23 18:13:32 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 23 Jan 2003 12:13:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing Attachment Size Limitations In-Reply-To: <00b201c2c2da$f4703a90$fa010a0a@HALE.local> References: <00b201c2c2da$f4703a90$fa010a0a@HALE.local> Message-ID: <1043342016.2257.44.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Web-admin: General Options On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 07:27, Jim Hale wrote: > One of my lists always (well - 95% of the time) has attachments. MM > keeps sending me 'waiting for approval' messages whenever the message > size is over 100k. How do I change that limit to, say, 200k? > > Thanks! :) > > Jim Hale > --- From sam at rfc1149.net Thu Jan 23 17:03:53 2003 From: sam at rfc1149.net (Samuel Tardieu) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:03:53 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation + Moderation Message-ID: <87u1fzq2dy.fsf@inf.enst.fr> I host several mailing lists with both mailman and sympa, and I miss a feature in mailman that I implemented in sympa using their scenarii model: when a mail arrives on a list from a non-subscriber or with the list address absent (even if it comes from a subscriber), then a confirmation request is sent to the (alleged) sender. If the sender confirms that she wants the mail delivered, then the mail is systematically held for moderation. If it is not confirmed, the moderators don't see the mail at all. With those settings, I had to discard only one spam (that the sender confirmed) manually in months on a moderately busy mailing-list (ten posts a day), without even using any spam filter in front of the list. Any idea on how to do that with mailman? Sam -- Samuel Tardieu -- sam at rfc1149.net -- http://www.rfc1149.net/sam From mattbrown.lists at lamphost.net Thu Jan 23 09:11:09 2003 From: mattbrown.lists at lamphost.net (Matt Brown) Date: 23 Jan 2003 08:11:09 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing Attachment Size Limitations In-Reply-To: <00b201c2c2da$f4703a90$fa010a0a@HALE.local> References: <00b201c2c2da$f4703a90$fa010a0a@HALE.local> Message-ID: <1043309468.1678.9.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 12:27, Jim Hale wrote: > One of my lists always (well - 95% of the time) has attachments. MM > keeps sending me 'waiting for approval' messages whenever the message > size is over 100k. How do I change that limit to, say, 200k? Go to: http://www./mailman/admin// Scroll down to: Maximum length in kilobytes.... Adjust setting accordingly. -- Matt Brown From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 23 18:36:09 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 23 Jan 2003 12:36:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How does the core of Mailman function? In-Reply-To: <000b01c2c2ff$b843df20$cd1b9642@atlp.aismedia.com> References: <000b01c2c2ff$b843df20$cd1b9642@atlp.aismedia.com> Message-ID: <1043343372.2257.65.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Mailman is Open Source... so you can feel free to open up the hood (so to speak) and take a look at how it works. You can get Mailman to work a couple of ways, but the most common is to simply let it make an smtp call to localhost and drop off the mail similar to the way any email client would drop off a message to a mailserver. There are some differences (and I'm sure other folks will comment on them), but that is basically it. You can set Mailman to drop off each message to each person individually (often refered to as VERP) thus allowing personalization of messages, but by default Mailman will group same domain messages together - up to 100 at one time (but configurable). The Mailman/Qmail combo is very fast, as is the Mailman/Postfix combo. The local delivery is not even a bump on the road when it comes to pushing messages out into the internet. The main time constraints for email movement are in the Mail zone (DNS) look ups and the handshakes with various Mail servers around the Internet. If you run a local caching DNS on the same box as Mailman and your MTA then this helps a great deal. After that the next best improvement you can make is to use an optimized MTA (like Qmail, Postfix, or Exim). An optimized MTA re-queues slower servers to the rear of the line so that the faster ones don't have to wait. This means that 90% of your mail flies out quickly and is not held hostage in a queue behind some slow-assed server connections. Alas poor Sendmail, it doesn't downgrade the slow connections so if a few of the first servers it attempts to contact are dreadfully slow then all the mail simply waits queued up until those servers are done. So what's the point of this ramble: The speed of dropping off your mail to your local MTA is not going to effect the speed of the mailing list. It doesn't matter how fast you slam your mail's into line, they still have to wait for the MTA to push them across the internet. So the best you can do is get an optimized MTA. Best wishes - Jon Carnes On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 11:51, Jonathan Chum wrote: > I'm interested on how Mailman is able to deliver out emails rapidly. I'm > curious on whether it opens a pipe to Sendmail or Qmail, injects the > message, then closes the pipe after each message it delivers or does it > write a file directly into a queue folder waiting to be sent... > > The reason I ask is that people say SMTP is faster than mailing via Qmail > and that by opening/closing a pipe to Qmail, it adds more overhead. Also, > you'll fill up disk space faster by queuing up messages than to directly > email the message. > > I'm weighing down alternatives and method of mail delivery for a large > client of ours. > > > Regards, > Jonathan Chum > Systems Developer > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > A I S M e d i a , I n c . > "We Build eBusinesses" > 115 Perimeter Center Terrace > Suite 540 > Atlanta, GA 30346 > Tel: 800.784.0919, Ext 502 / Fax: 770.350.9409 > http://www.aismedia.com / jchum at aismedia.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From chris at lifeforce.de Thu Jan 23 18:52:27 2003 From: chris at lifeforce.de (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:52:27 +0100 Subject: Fw: [Mailman-Users] fetching of new mail does not work References: <001601c2c2bc$347ad2e0$025ca8c0@lf> <1043341837.2253.41.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <001a01c2c308$322c1660$025ca8c0@lf> it's version 2.0.13 what do you mean with mailmanctl? [mailmancontrol ok, but i can't see such a file] tia chris From andrew.clark at ucsb.edu Thu Jan 23 18:57:37 2003 From: andrew.clark at ucsb.edu (Andrew D. Clark) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:57:37 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive limits in 2.1? Message-ID: <57630000.1043344657@modulus.oit.ucsb.edu> Is there any way (or if not, can there be a way) to limit the size/age of an archive? The current method seems to be manual munging of the mbox and then rerunning bin/arch. -- Andrew Clark Campus Network Programmer Office of Information Technology University of California, Santa Barbara andrew.clark at ucsb.edu (805) 893-5311 From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 23 19:12:56 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 23 Jan 2003 13:12:56 -0500 Subject: Fw: [Mailman-Users] fetching of new mail does not work In-Reply-To: <001a01c2c308$322c1660$025ca8c0@lf> References: <001601c2c2bc$347ad2e0$025ca8c0@lf> <1043341837.2253.41.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <001a01c2c308$322c1660$025ca8c0@lf> Message-ID: <1043345581.2253.71.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Okay. Mailmanctl is the daemon used by Mailman version 2.1.0. Since you are using version 2.0.13 then your qrunner is being kicked off every minute via a cron script: su mailman crontab -e For version 2.0.13 there is a great FAQ that covers 99% of the common problems for mail not being delivered. http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 12:52, Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ] wrote: > it's version 2.0.13 > > what do you mean with mailmanctl? [mailmancontrol ok, but i can't see such a > file] > > > tia > chris > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From barry at python.org Thu Jan 23 19:12:58 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:12:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation + Moderation References: <87u1fzq2dy.fsf@inf.enst.fr> Message-ID: <15920.12458.531755.474838@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "ST" == Samuel Tardieu writes: ST> I host several mailing lists with both mailman and sympa, and ST> I miss a feature in mailman that I implemented in sympa using ST> their scenarii model: when a mail arrives on a list from a ST> non-subscriber or with the list address absent (even if it ST> comes from a subscriber), then a confirmation request is sent ST> to the (alleged) sender. If the sender confirms that she wants ST> the mail delivered, then the mail is systematically held for ST> moderation. If it is not confirmed, the moderators don't see ST> the mail at all. ST> With those settings, I had to discard only one spam (that the ST> sender confirmed) manually in months on a moderately busy ST> mailing-list (ten posts a day), without even using any spam ST> filter in front of the list. ST> Any idea on how to do that with mailman? It wouldn't be hard to add, actually. Please add this to the feature request tracker on SourceForge. -Barry From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 23 19:21:08 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 23 Jan 2003 13:21:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive limits in 2.1? In-Reply-To: <57630000.1043344657@modulus.oit.ucsb.edu> References: <57630000.1043344657@modulus.oit.ucsb.edu> Message-ID: <1043346072.2645.80.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> This isn't a function of Mailman... however if you search the Archives you will find several submitted scripts that automate this task (using whatever criteria the writer thought was best). This is actually an easy process to automate via script. You can check on archive sizes via the system command "du". You can check on archive dates by pulling headers out of the mbox file. Give it a shot - it's fairly easy to do. If you want to hire it out, let me know. I'm snowed in today. Jon Carnes On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 12:57, Andrew D. Clark wrote: > Is there any way (or if not, can there be a way) to limit the size/age > of an archive? The current method seems to be manual munging of the > mbox and then rerunning bin/arch. > > -- > Andrew Clark > Campus Network Programmer > Office of Information Technology > University of California, Santa Barbara > andrew.clark at ucsb.edu (805) 893-5311 > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From mattbrown.lists at lamphost.net Thu Jan 23 11:29:22 2003 From: mattbrown.lists at lamphost.net (Matt Brown) Date: 23 Jan 2003 10:29:22 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] running Mailman2.1 from cron Message-ID: <1043317762.1679.34.camel@localhost> Is it possible to run Mailman 2.1 from cron, a la v 2.0.13? Some background: I'm running a virtualhosting environment where each host gets it's own copy of mailman installed. I know that 2.1 can handle virtualhosts, but the (current) inability to have two lists with the same name under different domains is a show stopper for me. Each server has 100-200 domains, and having 7 Mailman processes running for each domain is excessive, especially considering many of the domains don't actually have lists running much of the time. I could just stick with 2.0.13 for now, but I really like the improvements in 2.1. Thanks for any advice. -- Matt Brown From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 23 20:10:04 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 23 Jan 2003 14:10:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] running Mailman2.1 from cron In-Reply-To: <1043317762.1679.34.camel@localhost> References: <1043317762.1679.34.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1043349008.2253.100.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> You could run a master script which scans each of the virtual queues and then activates Mailmanctl for that virtual domain if it has a queued up message. The problem would come in knowing when to stop the daemon. It's an interesting problem. On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 05:29, Matt Brown wrote: > Is it possible to run Mailman 2.1 from cron, a la v 2.0.13? > > Some background: > I'm running a virtualhosting environment where each host gets it's own > copy of mailman installed. I know that 2.1 can handle virtualhosts, but > the (current) inability to have two lists with the same name under > different domains is a show stopper for me. Each server has 100-200 > domains, and having 7 Mailman processes running for each domain is > excessive, especially considering many of the domains don't actually > have lists running much of the time. I could just stick with 2.0.13 for > now, but I really like the improvements in 2.1. > > Thanks for any advice. > > -- > Matt Brown > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From huston at astro.Princeton.EDU Thu Jan 23 20:14:08 2003 From: huston at astro.Princeton.EDU (Steve Huston) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:14:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patches In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030122101632.00aac700@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Richard Barrett wrote: > In response to your input I have posted a revised version of patch #444884 > for MM 2.1 on sourceforge as file htdig-2.1-0.3.patch > Thanks for your heads up on the problem and your observation. Sorry for the > errors. Your suggested change was not quite right; good try but no cigar.:) Tried it today, works like a champ. Thanks! > At 23:41 21/01/2003, Steve Huston wrote: > >Lastly, I'm a little confused by one way things fit together. Granted, it > >works, but... Why does the htdig script make its results point to itself? > One of the objectives of this patch was to preserve private archive privacy > and make changing an archive from private to public or vice-versa a > non-event from the archive search standpoint. I later read a mail to the same effect in the archives, and understood why it works this way. Makes sense, any of the tests I've done so far were on publicly viewable archives, never thought about private ones. -- Steve Huston - Unix Systems Administrator, Dept. of Astrophysical Sciences Princeton University | ICBM Address: 40.346525 -74.651285 126 Peyton Hall |"On my ship, the Rocinante, wheeling through Princeton, NJ 08544 | the galaxies; headed for the heart of Cygnus, (609) 258-7375 | headlong into mystery." -Rush, 'Cygnus X-1' From chk at pobox.com Thu Jan 23 20:25:31 2003 From: chk at pobox.com (Harald Koch) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:25:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive crash with bad Date: (610265) Message-ID: <9103.1043349931@persephone.cfrq.net> I'm seeing this (previously reported) crash sporadically, with Mailman 2.1 release. I can't figure out what date field it's complaining about, though. Error log and shunt files are at http://www.cfrq.net/~chk/mailman-error.tar if anyone wants them; other files available upon request :-) Jan 23 11:08:29 2003 (21202) Uncaught runner exception: mktime argument out of range Jan 23 11:08:29 2003 (21202) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mm/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/home/mm/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/home/mm/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose mlist.ArchiveMail(msg) File "/home/mm/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 207, in ArchiveMail h.close() File "/home/mm/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 306, in close self.write_TOC() File "/home/mm/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1002, in write_TOC self.sortarchives() File "/home/mm/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 926, in sortarchives self.archives.sort(sf) File "/home/mm/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 917, in sf al=s.volNameToDate(a) File "/home/mm/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 912, in volNameToDate return time.mktime((year,month,1,0,0,0,0,1,-1)) OverflowError: mktime argument out of range Jan 23 11:08:29 2003 (21202) SHUNTING: 1043262966.214571+ca743e09bc54c38f5dfd6bed23a3001e12a3cf6c -- Harald Koch "It takes a child to raze a village." -Michael T. Fry From andrew.clark at ucsb.edu Thu Jan 23 20:22:28 2003 From: andrew.clark at ucsb.edu (Andrew D. Clark) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:22:28 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/arch very slow Message-ID: <68330000.1043349748@modulus.oit.ucsb.edu> In MM 2.1, running bin/arch on a largish mbox file (~450MB) takes a heck of a long time (~8 hrs) on a reasonably fast machine. The real time eater seems to lie in generating the article database. Anyone else run into this? Anyone have a solution? -- Andrew Clark Campus Network Programmer Office of Information Technology University of California, Santa Barbara andrew.clark at ucsb.edu (805) 893-5311 From chris at lifeforce.de Thu Jan 23 20:50:09 2003 From: chris at lifeforce.de (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:50:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error message References: <001601c2c2bc$347ad2e0$025ca8c0@lf><1043341837.2253.41.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <001a01c2c308$322c1660$025ca8c0@lf> <1043345581.2253.71.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <000e01c2c318$a3277a20$025ca8c0@lf> ", relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (Command died with status 2: "/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner support". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid 65533. (Reconfigure to take 65533?) )" how can i change this gid and WHERE? thanks in advance From tmaddox at thereinc.com Thu Jan 23 21:22:57 2003 From: tmaddox at thereinc.com (Tom Maddox) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:22:57 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing list headers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Hi, all, > > I just upgraded to Mailman 2.1, and apparently a change has been > made in how > the From: header is contructed. I'd like to change it back. > > The specific issue is that mail for each list appears to the > client as from > -bounces at domain.com instead of as being from the actual sender, > which was the behavior previously. > > It's a minor issue, but it's irritating a lot of my subscribers, > so I'd like > to resolve it. In addition to this problem, the Reply-To: header includes the short list description (not the title but the description). Is there any way to change *that*? From barry at python.org Thu Jan 23 22:37:30 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:37:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] running Mailman2.1 from cron References: <1043317762.1679.34.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <15920.24730.84383.327300@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "MB" == Matt Brown writes: MB> Is it possible to run Mailman 2.1 from cron, a la v 2.0.13? Kind of. bin/qrunner -o runs through a queue directory once instead of in a loop. So you could potentially add crontab entries that fire off qrunner -o for each queue directory under qfiles. It's not a supported mode of operation :). -Barry From nneul at umr.edu Thu Jan 23 23:11:40 2003 From: nneul at umr.edu (Neulinger, Nathan) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:11:40 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] running Mailman2.1 from cron Message-ID: Didn't know this was possible. I've got a situation where I'm running a number of separate instances of mailman on a machine to do virtual hosting, as the unique listname requirement is a problem in most cases. This sort of one-off would be a simple way of reducing the need to have so many jobs running simultaneously. Just loop through all vhosts and all queues repeatedly. Would be nice to see this more "supported" for that reason. -- Nathan ------------------------------------------------------------ Nathan Neulinger EMail: nneul at umr.edu University of Missouri - Rolla Phone: (573) 341-4841 Computing Services Fax: (573) 341-4216 > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry A. Warsaw [mailto:barry at python.org] > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 3:38 PM > To: Matt Brown > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] running Mailman2.1 from cron > > > > >>>>> "MB" == Matt Brown writes: > > MB> Is it possible to run Mailman 2.1 from cron, a la v 2.0.13? > > Kind of. bin/qrunner -o runs through a queue directory once instead > of in a loop. So you could potentially add crontab entries that fire > off qrunner -o for each queue directory under qfiles. > > It's not a supported mode of operation :). > > -Barry > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%> 40python.org/ > > This > message was sent to: nneul at umr.edu > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/nneul%40umr.edu > From ed at leafe.com Thu Jan 23 23:23:39 2003 From: ed at leafe.com (Ed Leafe) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:23:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounced messages returning to me - Mailman 2.0 Message-ID: <529C33A4-2F21-11D7-86E0-003065B11E84@leafe.com> Hi, Recently I've begun receiving some bounced messages from the lists I host. I have all the aliases set up properly; in fact, most bounces are handled by the bounce scripts as expected. But a few messages are being received in the account I've set up in the General Options page under "The list admin's email address". These messages are from a few select members, and their bounce information is not being recorded in the Bounce logs. I'm at a loss where to begin looking to figure out what is going on here - anyone have any ideas? ___/ / __/ / ____/ Ed Leafe http://leafe.com/ http://opentech.leafe.com From comments at mecworks.com Fri Jan 24 00:07:14 2003 From: comments at mecworks.com (Marc Christensen) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:07:14 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving: email address are not hidden dispite setting Message-ID: <200301231607.14146.comments@mecworks.com> Hello all, I googled for a good hour or two and didn't find any help on this. I have set up mailman 2.0.13 on a Debian 3.0 box. Three lists, all of which have the setting"Show member addrs so they're not directly recognizable as email addrs? set to yes: # Setting this option causes member email addresses to be transformed # when they are presented on list web pages (both in text and as links), # so they're not trivially recognizable as email addresses. The # intention is to to prevent the addresses from being snarfed up by # automated web scanners for use by spammers. # # legal values are: # 0 = "No" # 1 = "Yes" obscure_addresses = 1 Dispite this, the archives still show the full addresses. Has anyone seen this or know how to fix this? Thanks. -- Marc Christensen http://www.mecworks.com http://www.mecworks.com/~marc/resume From barry at python.org Fri Jan 24 00:18:48 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:18:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving: email address are not hidden dispite setting References: <200301231607.14146.comments@mecworks.com> Message-ID: <15920.30808.175757.965862@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "MC" == Marc Christensen writes: MC> Dispite this, the archives still show the full addresses. MC> Has anyone seen this or know how to fix this? This is fixed in Mailman 2.1. -Barry From comments at mecworks.com Fri Jan 24 00:27:24 2003 From: comments at mecworks.com (Marc Christensen) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:27:24 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving: email address are not hidden dispite setting In-Reply-To: <15920.30808.175757.965862@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <200301231607.14146.comments@mecworks.com> <15920.30808.175757.965862@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <200301231627.24044.comments@mecworks.com> On Thursday 23 January 2003 16:18, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > >>>>> "MC" == Marc Christensen writes: > > MC> Dispite this, the archives still show the full addresses. > > MC> Has anyone seen this or know how to fix this? > > This is fixed in Mailman 2.1. > -Barry Is there a way to fix the problem without an upgrade? I don't think there are deb packages for 2.1 yet. Unless someone knows that there are deb packages, I'd realy like to fix the problem. Thanks. -- Marc C. http://www.mecworks.com http://www.mecworks.com/~marc/resume From barry at python.org Fri Jan 24 00:48:47 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:48:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving: email address are not hidden dispite setting References: <200301231607.14146.comments@mecworks.com> <15920.30808.175757.965862@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <200301231627.24044.comments@mecworks.com> Message-ID: <15920.32607.183737.243747@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "MC" == Marc Christensen writes: MC> Is there a way to fix the problem without an upgrade? Not easily, unfortunately. -Barry From chris at lifeforce.de Fri Jan 24 00:56:15 2003 From: chris at lifeforce.de (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:56:15 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] trying to subscribe References: <200301231607.14146.comments@mecworks.com><15920.30808.175757.965862@gargle.gargle.HOWL><200301231627.24044.comments@mecworks.com> <15920.32607.183737.243747@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <002201c2c33b$041ea840$025ca8c0@lf> hi ! forget my ealier problems... (here my new one **G**) when i subscribe to a mailinglist i reveive a mail: The original message was received at Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:53:37 +0100 (MET) from $host [$ip] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 553 localhost.dyndns.org. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?) 554 ... Local configuration error what is wrong? please help me. i want to solve this problem and run my mailinglist... thanks for any support in advance chris From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Jan 24 01:58:21 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 23 Jan 2003 19:58:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] trying to subscribe In-Reply-To: <002201c2c33b$041ea840$025ca8c0@lf> References: <200301231607.14146.comments@mecworks.com><15920.30808.175757.965862@gargle. gargle.HOWL><200301231627.24044.comments@mecworks.com> <15920.32607.183737.243747@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <002201c2c33b$041ea840$025ca8c0@lf> Message-ID: <1043369909.1614.8.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> This is a typical Sendmail/MTA problem. You have the MX setup right in DNS, so the mail arrives at your server - but you haven't added the DNS name as a valid name for your MTA so your mail server sees the mail but does not think the mail is for local delivery. For Sendmail you would modify your /etc/mail/sendmail.cw file (or whatever they call it now-a-days). For Postfix you would need to edit /etc/postfix/main.cf (I think...). Anyway, check your MTA documentation or FAQ list. I'm sure this is mentioned prominently there as it is a common mis-configuration (so you're in good company at least). Best of Luck - Jon Carnes On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 18:56, Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ] wrote: > hi ! > > forget my ealier problems... (here my new one **G**) > > when i subscribe to a mailinglist i reveive a mail: > > > The original message was received at Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:53:37 +0100 (MET) > from $host [$ip] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > 553 localhost.dyndns.org. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?) > 554 ... Local configuration error > > > > what is wrong? > > please help me. i want to solve this problem and run my mailinglist... > > > thanks for any support in advance > > chris > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From bsweeney at physics.ucsb.edu Fri Jan 24 02:58:33 2003 From: bsweeney at physics.ucsb.edu (Brian J. Smith-Sweeney) Date: 23 Jan 2003 17:58:33 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] trying to subscribe In-Reply-To: <1043369909.1614.8.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <200301231607.14146.comments@mecworks.com> <15920.30808.175757.965862@gargle. gargle.HOWL> <200301231627.24044.comments@mecworks.com> <15920.32607.183737.243747@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <002201c2c33b$041ea840$025ca8c0@lf> <1043369909.1614.8.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <1043373513.8334.10.camel@delorean.physics.ucsb.edu> /etc/mail/local-host-names is another possible location for the domains your sendmail server should respond to. -Brian On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 16:58, Jon Carnes wrote: > This is a typical Sendmail/MTA problem. > You have the MX setup right in DNS, so the mail arrives at your server - > but you haven't added the DNS name as a valid name for your MTA so your > mail server sees the mail but does not think the mail is for local > delivery. > > For Sendmail you would modify your /etc/mail/sendmail.cw file (or > whatever they call it now-a-days). For Postfix you would need to edit > /etc/postfix/main.cf (I think...). > > Anyway, check your MTA documentation or FAQ list. I'm sure this is > mentioned prominently there as it is a common mis-configuration (so > you're in good company at least). > > Best of Luck - Jon Carnes > > On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 18:56, Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ] wrote: > > hi ! > > > > forget my ealier problems... (here my new one **G**) > > > > when i subscribe to a mailinglist i reveive a mail: > > > > > > The original message was received at Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:53:37 +0100 (MET) > > from $host [$ip] > > > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > > 553 localhost.dyndns.org. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?) > > 554 ... Local configuration error > > > > > > > > what is wrong? > > > > please help me. i want to solve this problem and run my mailinglist... > > > > > > thanks for any support in advance > > > > chris > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: bsweeney at physics.ucsb.edu > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bsweeney%40physics.ucsb.edu From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Jan 24 04:14:11 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:14:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] trying to subscribe References: <200301231607.14146.comments@mecworks.com> <15920.30808.175757.965862@gargle. gargle.HOWL> <200301231627.24044.comments@mecworks.com> <15920.32607.183737.243747@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <002201c2c33b$041ea840$025ca8c0@lf> <1043369909.1614.8.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <1043373513.8334.10.camel@delorean.physics.ucsb.edu> Message-ID: <006f01c2c356$aae2f6c0$1401a8c0@anncons> Thanks. I knew the name had been changed, but since I've moved all my local servers over to Postfix I didn't have a modern Sendmail install to look at. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian J. Smith-Sweeney" To: "Mailman users Mailing list" Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] trying to subscribe > /etc/mail/local-host-names is another possible location for the domains > your sendmail server should respond to. > > -Brian > On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 16:58, Jon Carnes wrote: > > This is a typical Sendmail/MTA problem. > > You have the MX setup right in DNS, so the mail arrives at your server - > > but you haven't added the DNS name as a valid name for your MTA so your > > mail server sees the mail but does not think the mail is for local > > delivery. > > > > For Sendmail you would modify your /etc/mail/sendmail.cw file (or > > whatever they call it now-a-days). For Postfix you would need to edit > > /etc/postfix/main.cf (I think...). > > > > Anyway, check your MTA documentation or FAQ list. I'm sure this is > > mentioned prominently there as it is a common mis-configuration (so > > you're in good company at least). > > > > Best of Luck - Jon Carnes > > > > On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 18:56, Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ] wrote: > > > hi ! > > > > > > forget my ealier problems... (here my new one **G**) > > > > > > when i subscribe to a mailinglist i reveive a mail: > > > > > > > > > The original message was received at Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:53:37 +0100 (MET) > > > from $host [$ip] > > > > > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > > > > > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > > > 553 localhost.dyndns.org. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?) > > > 554 ... Local configuration error > > > > > > > > > > > > what is wrong? > > > > > > please help me. i want to solve this problem and run my mailinglist... > > > > > > > > > thanks for any support in advance > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: bsweeney at physics.ucsb.edu > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bsweeney%40physics.ucsb .edu > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From gareth at za.uu.net Wed Jan 22 15:25:49 2003 From: gareth at za.uu.net (Gareth Hopkins) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:25:49 +0200 (SAST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] X-Loop Message-ID: <20030122162447.I45210-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> Howdie, I have just upgraded to version 2.1. Apparently in this version I can add an X-loop header. Where abouts do I do this? Thanks for your time --- Gareth From chinemeremnjoku at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 22 21:47:52 2003 From: chinemeremnjoku at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?chinemerem=20njoku?=) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:47:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] help Message-ID: <20030122204752.96864.qmail@web20420.mail.yahoo.com> I just configured mailman mailing list and I tried it with my mail.It worked.But when people signed up through the subscriber list on my website,it refused to work.What may be wrong with my installation? Also,how can I redirect people to my home page after signing up.I don't want them to visit the memberlist because the website is just for signing up and for members to receive messages from me.It will not be a discussion group. Confused man --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs From njokucn at hotmail.com Thu Jan 23 01:19:56 2003 From: njokucn at hotmail.com (chinemerem njoku) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:19:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help receiving names Message-ID: I just created a webpage for subscribers to sign up to my mailing list.I tested it with my e-mail address and it went fine.However,subsequently,the other people who wanted to sign up could not because after pressing submit,the confirmation request couldn't get to their web page.Please where did I go wrong? Again,I am simply creating a subscribers list where people can only sign up and I send themmonthly news letters.My point here is that I don't want subscribers to access the mebers list on the subscription results page.How can I remove that and replace it with a simple thank you note.Of course with mailman logo. Please reply through chinemeremnjoku at yahoo.co.uk . From lists at vo.cnchost.com Thu Jan 23 05:41:22 2003 From: lists at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:41:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with sending HTML mail and using external weblinks for images In-Reply-To: <1043273080.1896.105.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <3E2F0BB1.9010502@blueyonder.co.uk> <1043273080.1896.105.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <3E2F7272.5000207@vo.cnchost.com> Jon Carnes wrote: > BTW: Linux on the desktop helps break this "invasion" of privacy. My > Evolution email client is set to "not" download images from html email. > Though I can click on the email and have it download if I want it to. Mozilla does this on Windoze too (using this feature with Mozilla on both win98 and win2k) jc From GmericeH at msn.com Fri Jan 24 00:47:20 2003 From: GmericeH at msn.com (Gmerice Hammond) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:47:20 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrator status Message-ID: How do I turn over adminstrator privelages (release them so that someone else can be the administrator) Gmerice Hammond From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Fri Jan 24 06:43:24 2003 From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel E. Gabriel) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 05:43:24 -0000 Subject: [Fwd: RE: [Mailman-Users] Local DNS vs. DNS on the same subnet] Message-ID: <69308F5141509946826E3347F3A711E83797@jiggaman.raw-talent.hopto.org> What would you define as a LOT of DNS lookups..... 100k? That's 20 msgs to a list of 5k -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+badmangabriel=lycos.co.uk at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+badmangabriel=lycos.co.uk at python.org]On Behalf Of Neil Dombrowski Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 10:46 PM To: Mailman list Subject: [Fwd: RE: [Mailman-Users] Local DNS vs. DNS on the same subnet] FWIW, DNS packets (request and response) are quite small. Obviously being on the same box is ideal (speedwise), however being on your subnet or an adjoining subnet probably won't make much of a noticeable difference (unless your adjoining network is through a 56k modem or something like that). I wouldn't worry too much about DNS lookups, unless you're doing a LOT of them (I guess that's a possibility with mailman) Neil -----Forwarded Message----- > From: Angel Gabriel > To: Chuq Von Rospach > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Local DNS vs. DNS on the same subnet > Date: 20 Jan 2003 22:49:58 +0000 > > Damn, this posses a problem! I'm going to have to make do with having a DNS > server on the same subnet, and when I get the chance, I'll link the two via > secondary network cards, and a seperate hub. That way, it should be as fast > as it can go > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuq Von Rospach [mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com] > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 10:16 PM > To: Angel Gabriel > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Local DNS vs. DNS on the same subnet > > > > On Monday, January 20, 2003, at 02:22 PM, Angel Gabriel wrote: > > > My question is, would it be quicker to have the DNS on the same > > machine as > > mailman, > > Yes, sometimes very significantly > > > -- > Chuq Von Rospach, Architech > chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/ > > Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties > are largely ceremonial > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: neil at ebuilt.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/neil%40ebuilt.com > -- Neil Dombrowski IS Manager eBuilt, Inc 949-609-4757 ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/badmangabriel%40lyc os.co.uk From mariuss at lightspeed.ca Fri Jan 24 06:07:41 2003 From: mariuss at lightspeed.ca (Marius Scurtescu) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:07:41 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade from 2.1beta3 to 2.1 final Message-ID: <3E30CA1D.90309@lightspeed.ca> Hi, I am running Maiman 2.1 beta 3 and I would like to upgrade to the final release. Could someone point me to the proper documentation or just quickly tell me what I need to do? Any information is more than welcome. Thanks, Marius From rpyne at kinfolk.org Fri Jan 24 06:30:06 2003 From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard B. Pyne) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:30:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personalization In-Reply-To: <3E2F9FB5.17744.3CCD5D@localhost> References: <20030123080507.GB3963@io.com> Message-ID: <3E306CEE.7667.109C1C2@localhost> On 23 Jan 2003 at 7:54, Richard B. Pyne wrote: --snip-- > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: rpyne at kinfolk.org > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/rpyne%40kinfolk.org > I am not seeing past the info page link on the new lists I have created. Can somone please point me toward the configuration or doc on the "This message was sent to:" part? I found the mention of VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS, VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES, VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL, and VERP_CONFIRMATIONS in the FAQ and added them to my mm_cfg.py file, but I still see no difference in the footers or To: header of the emails or in the options in the admin interface. Thanks --Richard ------------------------------ Richard B. Pyne, NZ7K rpyne at kinfolk.org http://pyne.kinfolk.org/rbp2 From barry at python.org Fri Jan 24 07:01:39 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:01:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] X-Loop References: <20030122162447.I45210-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> Message-ID: <15920.54979.714529.97688@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "GH" == Gareth Hopkins writes: GH> I have just upgraded to version 2.1. Apparently in GH> this version I can add an X-loop header. Where abouts do I do GH> this? Huh? What's an X-loop header? Mailman doesn't use or add this header. -Barry From chuqui at plaidworks.com Fri Jan 24 07:08:06 2003 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:08:06 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] X-Loop In-Reply-To: <15920.54979.714529.97688@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <34695B8C-2F62-11D7-B4DF-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> On Thursday, January 23, 2003, at 10:01 PM, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > Huh? What's an X-loop header? Mailman doesn't use or add this > header. > It's a procmail convention, so that procmail recipes can tell they've already seen a message and break a potential mail loop. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Architech chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/ Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh nervously and change the subject. From barry at python.org Fri Jan 24 07:07:48 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:07:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade from 2.1beta3 to 2.1 final References: <3E30CA1D.90309@lightspeed.ca> Message-ID: <15920.55348.383826.887327@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "MS" == Marius Scurtescu writes: MS> I am running Maiman 2.1 beta 3 and I would like to MS> upgrade to the final release. MS> Could someone point me to the proper documentation or MS> just quickly tell me what I need to do? MS> Any information is more than welcome. That's an easy upgrade. Just stop mailmanctl, then configure and make install right over 2.1b3. Then start mailmanctl again and you should be good to go. -Barry From barry at python.org Fri Jan 24 07:10:31 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:10:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personalization References: <20030123080507.GB3963@io.com> <3E306CEE.7667.109C1C2@localhost> Message-ID: <15920.55511.554352.715309@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "RBP" == Richard B Pyne writes: RBP> I found the mention of VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS, RBP> VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES, VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL, and RBP> VERP_CONFIRMATIONS in the FAQ and added them to my mm_cfg.py RBP> file, but I still see no difference in the footers or To: RBP> header of the emails or in the options in the admin RBP> interface. You have to add this to Non-Digest -> msg_footers. See the personalize option for detailed description. -Barry From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Fri Jan 24 08:18:28 2003 From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel E. Gabriel) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 07:18:28 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personalization Question Message-ID: <69308F5141509946826E3347F3A711E83798@jiggaman.raw-talent.hopto.org> If I upgrade from the version on mailman that comes with RH7.3 to the latest version which has personaization, how can I benifit from it? Will people that post to the list have thier details updated automatically? From barry at python.org Fri Jan 24 07:13:18 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:13:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] trying to disable web interface... References: Message-ID: <15920.55678.324211.255000@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "JM" == John Minkle writes: | Traceback (most recent call last): | File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 83, in ? | from Mailman import mm_cfg | File "/var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 68 | DEFAULT_MSG_FOOTER = | """_______________________________________________ | ^ | SyntaxError: invalid syntax This is one of the rare situations where you need a backslash at the end of a line. Here are two ways to write this: DEFAULT_MSG_FOOTER = """\ --------- or DEFAULT_MSG_FOOTER = \ """--------- -Barry From barry at python.org Fri Jan 24 07:15:16 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:15:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] X-Loop References: <15920.54979.714529.97688@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <34695B8C-2F62-11D7-B4DF-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> Message-ID: <15920.55796.34049.643655@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "CVR" == Chuq Von Rospach writes: >> Huh? What's an X-loop header? Mailman doesn't use or add this >> header. >> CVR> It's a procmail convention, so that procmail recipes can tell CVR> they've already seen a message and break a potential mail CVR> loop. Ah, like Mailman's X-BeenThere header. Thanks for the info. -B From barry at python.org Fri Jan 24 14:14:36 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:14:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] X-Loop References: <34695B8C-2F62-11D7-B4DF-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> <20030124103401.E46974-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> Message-ID: <15921.15420.68366.748326@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "GH" == Gareth Hopkins writes: GH> So is there anywhere I can add this then in mailman or change GH> the X-Beenthere settings? I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish, but sure you can add it to Mailman. Pick a module in Mailman/Handlers, or make up your own that just adds the header with whatever value you think will help you accomplish your goal . -Barry From s_angelov at filibeto.org Fri Jan 24 16:18:40 2003 From: s_angelov at filibeto.org (Stoyan Angelov) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:18:40 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New installation, sol 7: ImportError: No module named _socket Message-ID: <3E315950.9A5419DC@filibeto.org> hello all, i am trying to do a new install of Mailman 2.1 on a Solaris 7 x86 box, gcc 2.95.2, Python 2.2.2, sendmail. I get the following error while runnig the ./configure script: hecking for mail wrapper group; i.e. --with-mail-gid... mail checking for CGI wrapper group; i.e. --with-cgi-gid... httpd checking for CGI extensions... no checking for --with-mailhost... no checking for --with-urlhost... no Traceback (most recent call last): File "conftest.py", line 2, in ? from socket import * File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ? from _socket import * ImportError: No module named _socket checking for default mail host name... Can't open conftest.out checking for default URL host component... Can't open conftest.out checking for strerror... yes checking for setregid... yes checking for syslog... yes trying to do a make install gives me the following error: Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py ... Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ... Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/update", line 47, in ? from Mailman import Utils File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 35, in ? import cgi File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/cgi.py", line 39, in ? import urllib File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ? import socket File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ? from _socket import * ImportError: No module named _socket make: *** [update] Error 1 does anyone have an idea of what could that be ? thank you for your time! Stoyan Angelov -- Stoyan Angelov filibeto.org e-mail: s_angelov at filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org From tshore at td.rutgers.edu Fri Jan 24 17:01:25 2003 From: tshore at td.rutgers.edu (Tom Shore) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:01:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New installation, sol 7: ImportError: No module named _socket In-Reply-To: <3E315950.9A5419DC@filibeto.org>; from s_angelov@filibeto.org on Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 05:18:40PM +0200 References: <3E315950.9A5419DC@filibeto.org> Message-ID: <20030124110124.C12114@thebit.td.rutgers.edu> I've had this exact same problem installing mailman on solaris. The problem is in getting python configured properly. Make sure LD_LIBRARY_PATH points to all the right places, including wherever the SSL libraries live, and you may have to hack the Modules/Setup file in the python build directory so the appropriate modules are built and installed. Also check out the README file, the section labeled "Configuring additional built-in modules." Good luck! -Tom Shore On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 05:18:40PM +0200, Stoyan Angelov wrote: > hello all, > > i am trying to do a new install of Mailman 2.1 on a Solaris 7 x86 box, > gcc 2.95.2, Python 2.2.2, sendmail. I get the following error while > runnig the ./configure script: > > > hecking for mail wrapper group; i.e. --with-mail-gid... mail > checking for CGI wrapper group; i.e. --with-cgi-gid... httpd > checking for CGI extensions... no > checking for --with-mailhost... no > checking for --with-urlhost... no > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "conftest.py", line 2, in ? > from socket import * > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ? > from _socket import * > ImportError: No module named _socket > checking for default mail host name... Can't open conftest.out > > checking for default URL host component... Can't open conftest.out > > checking for strerror... yes > checking for setregid... yes > checking for syslog... yes > > > trying to do a make install gives me the following error: > > > Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py ... > Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ... > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "bin/update", line 47, in ? > from Mailman import Utils > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 35, in ? > import cgi > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/cgi.py", line 39, in ? > import urllib > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ? > import socket > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ? > from _socket import * > ImportError: No module named _socket > make: *** [update] Error 1 > > > does anyone have an idea of what could that be ? > > thank you for your time! > > Stoyan Angelov > > > > -- > Stoyan Angelov > filibeto.org > e-mail: s_angelov at filibeto.org > http://www.filibeto.org > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: tshore at td.rutgers.edu > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/tshore%40td.rutgers.edu From osinski at cs.nyu.edu Fri Jan 24 17:03:26 2003 From: osinski at cs.nyu.edu (Ed Osinski) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:03:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade problems (2.0.13 -> 2.1); Incoming qrunner dies In-Reply-To: <15915.10007.733189.64984@gargle.gargle.HOWL>; from barry@python.org on Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 05:30:47PM -0500 References: <20030114143242.G22310@griffin.CS.NYU.EDU> <15915.10007.733189.64984@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20030124110326.F370@griffin.CS.NYU.EDU> On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 05:30:47PM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > > >>>>> "EO" == Ed Osinski writes: > > EO> I've upgraded from 2.0.13 to 2.1, and am having problems: > > EO> When running "bin/mailmanctl start", I get a series of errors: > > EO> EOFError : EOF read where object expected > > EO> This is repeated 11 times. When I run ps to look for qrunner > EO> processes, I find: > > If you still have the offending .db file, please try bin/dumpdb on it > and see what you get. You'll probably get the EOF error. If so, send > it to me. Also, what version of Python are you using? > > -Barry I think the problem was due to some _very_ old .db files in the qfiles/in directory, which I guess 2.0.13 ignored. Getting rid of those solved the problem. (My other problem was solved similarly!) I'm using Python 2.2.2. - Ed From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Fri Jan 24 17:04:27 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 16:04:27 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New installation, sol 7: ImportError: No module named _socket Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030124160416.03ce6608@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 15:18 24/01/2003, Stoyan Angelov wrote: >hello all, > >i am trying to do a new install of Mailman 2.1 on a Solaris 7 x86 box, >gcc 2.95.2, Python 2.2.2, sendmail. I get the following error while >runnig the ./configure script: > > >hecking for mail wrapper group; i.e. --with-mail-gid... mail >checking for CGI wrapper group; i.e. --with-cgi-gid... httpd >checking for CGI extensions... no >checking for --with-mailhost... no >checking for --with-urlhost... no >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "conftest.py", line 2, in ? > from socket import * > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ? > from _socket import * >ImportError: No module named _socket >checking for default mail host name... Can't open conftest.out Look like a python installation problem rather than a Mailman specific problem. The python interpreter is saying it cannot correctly load the standard python socket module. You can confirm this hypothesis by running python from the command line as follows: mailman at mailman:/> python Python 2.2.2 (#2, Jan 13 2003, 17:17:19) [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (SuSE)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import socket >>> If instead of the prompt you get an error message in response to import socket input, then it is definitely a python installation problem. Try again with Mailman after you have fixed the python problem. >checking for default URL host component... Can't open conftest.out > >checking for strerror... yes >checking for setregid... yes >checking for syslog... yes > > >trying to do a make install gives me the following error: > > >Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py ... >Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ... >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "bin/update", line 47, in ? > from Mailman import Utils > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 35, in ? > import cgi > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/cgi.py", line 39, in ? > import urllib > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ? > import socket > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ? > from _socket import * >ImportError: No module named _socket >make: *** [update] Error 1 > > >does anyone have an idea of what could that be ? > >thank you for your time! > >Stoyan Angelov > > > >-- >Stoyan Angelov >filibeto.org >e-mail: s_angelov at filibeto.org >http://www.filibeto.org > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.demon.co.uk > From marc at perkel.com Fri Jan 24 17:18:26 2003 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:18:26 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] post-only patch Message-ID: <3E316752.6010905@perkel.com> I'm in the process of upgrading to mailman 2.1. In 2.0.11 there was a patch that allowed the creation of a "post-only" list that members of that list could post to all lists. Does this patch work with 2.1? Or does 2.1 have this feature built in? From dave at umiacs.umd.edu Fri Jan 24 17:22:07 2003 From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:22:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain restriction or wish list Message-ID: Is it possible to have a list that's only partially restricted? Specifically, I'd like a list that only people within our domain could post to. If this is not possible, then consider this for the next iteration of the mailman v2.x wishlist =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David Stern University of Maryland Institute for Advanced Computer Studies From Support at VLists.Net Fri Jan 24 17:33:51 2003 From: Support at VLists.Net (VLists.Net Support) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:33:51 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] senddigests -> LookupError: unknown encoding Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20030124103351.00bd1fe0@vlists.net> A couple days ago our digests stopped going out automatically. I forced it to run this morning via a special cron entry and received the following report. Can anyone give me a clue as to where to go find out what's happening? Thanks. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/home/circle/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ? main() File "/usr/home/circle/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main mlist.send_digest_now() File "/usr/home/circle/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) File "/usr/home/circle/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/home/circle/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 319, in send_i18n_digests b += unicode(t, cset, 'replace').encode(lcset, 'replace') LookupError: unknown encoding From marc at perkel.com Fri Jan 24 17:36:28 2003 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:36:28 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 moderator messages - not receiving Message-ID: <3E316B8C.4040506@perkel.com> I just upgraded to mailman 2.1 and it seems to work except I'm not receiving messages that would normally be sent to the moderator. When a non-member or moderated member posts to the list it does hold the message for the moderator - but it doesn't notify the moderator that a message is being held. I'm running it with Exim 4.10 and it seems like everything else it working. Anyone have a quick guess about what I'm doing wrong? From Support at VLists.Net Fri Jan 24 17:39:07 2003 From: Support at VLists.Net (VLists.Net Support) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:39:07 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing list headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20030124103907.00b76b38@vlists.net> -> On 12:22 PM 1/23/2003 -0800, Tom Maddox was quoted as saying...: ->In addition to this problem, the Reply-To: header includes the short list ->description (not the title but the description). Is there any way to change ->*that*? Here, Here! The "short list description" isn't so short in some cases and really botches up the reply line. From rpyne at kinfolk.org Fri Jan 24 17:51:04 2003 From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard Pyne) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:51:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another feature request Message-ID: <200301240951.04924.rpyne@kinfolk.org> It might be there, but I haven't found it. It would be VERY useful to have "per domain" list creation passwords. I want to be able to have a virtual domain owner be able to create lists within their domain but not any others. --Richard -- Richard B. Pyne rpyne at kinfolk.org From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Fri Jan 24 19:11:00 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:11:00 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain restriction or wish list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030124171519.03d00408@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 16:22 24/01/2003, Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote: >Is it possible to have a list that's only partially restricted? >Specifically, I'd like a list that only people within our domain >could post to. > >If this is not possible, then consider this for the next iteration >of the mailman v2.x wishlist > > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- generated by /dev/dave > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > David Stern University of > Maryland > Institute for Advanced Computer Studies > Setting about this rather depends on whether acceptable and unacceptable posters are going to be members or non-members of the list. I would think that a judicious regex in one of the hold/discard/reject_these_nonmembers field on the web Privacy Options->[Sender filters] page could partially solve the problem: For instance, I think this regex will only match, and hence cause to discard, mail from non-members whose addresses in domains other than 'your.domain.com': ^.*?@(?!your\.domain\.com$)' But this would still allow posting by members of the list who are from outside 'your.domain.com', which might also want to achieve. Setting moderation for those not-in-your-domain-but-members-of-the-list to On and setting member_moderation_action to hold/discard/reject should allow a list which can have a mixed population but can only be posted to by people in your domain, whether they are members or not. From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Jan 24 19:30:24 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 24 Jan 2003 13:30:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help In-Reply-To: <20030122204752.96864.qmail@web20420.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030122204752.96864.qmail@web20420.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1043433027.2219.34.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> You'll have to help us to help you - we need more information. What version of Mailman, and how is it not working? Be as precise as you can. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 15:47, chinemerem njoku wrote: > > I just configured mailman mailing list and I tried it with my mail.It worked.But when people signed up through the subscriber list on my website,it refused to work.What may be wrong with my installation? > > Also,how can I redirect people to my home page after signing up.I don't want them to visit the memberlist because the website is just for signing up and for members to receive messages from me.It will not be a discussion group. > > Confused man > > > > > --------------------------------- > With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Jan 24 19:35:12 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 24 Jan 2003 13:35:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help receiving names In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1043433316.2223.39.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Cool. More detail... So folks external to you can get to the Listinfo web-page for your list, but when they press the submit button they get an error??? Or did you write your own subscribe web-page and it is not working to subscribe folks? On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 19:19, chinemerem njoku wrote: > I just created a webpage for subscribers to sign up to my mailing list. > I tested it with my e-mail address and it went > fine.However,subsequently,the other people who wanted to sign up could > not because after pressing submit,the confirmation request couldn't > get to their web page.Please where did I go wrong? > Again,I am simply creating a subscribers list where people can only sign > up and I send themmonthly news letters.My point here is that I don't > want subscribers to access the mebers list on the subscription results > page.How can I remove that and replace it with a simple thank you > note.Of course with mailman logo. > Please reply through chinemeremnjoku at yahoo.co.uk . > From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Jan 24 19:36:41 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 24 Jan 2003 13:36:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrator status In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1043433402.2219.41.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> In the web-admin for the list, put their email address as an administrator and then give them the administrative password for the list. On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 18:47, Gmerice Hammond wrote: > How do I turn over adminstrator privelages (release them so that someone else can be the administrator) > > Gmerice Hammond > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From huston at astro.Princeton.EDU Fri Jan 24 19:37:19 2003 From: huston at astro.Princeton.EDU (Steve Huston) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:37:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] post_id in messages and archives Message-ID: In trying to migrate some old mailing lists to Mailman on our new server, one thing was mentioned to me. The old list software kept track of messages by a unique sequential number (first message is 1, second is 2, etc). This was mostly done for the archives of the list, but apparently the list users have grown accustomed to referring to messages by their number, since it is also mentioned in the footer of the mail ("This is message number 2348 in the archive"). Checking the patches on Sourceforge, I found where someone sent in a patch that adds the mlist.post_id number to the subject if it contains '%d'. While this may be the easiest way to do this, since it would also be searchable that way in the archives, I'd prefer to keep the information in the footer and/or message headers. So far, I have patched the Digest.py code and Decorate.py to make available "post_id" as a variable in the footer (though it's not really pertinent in digests, and I don't know what'll happen if it shows up in one, but I can't use it in PERSONALIZED_ALLOWEDS in NonDigest.py since the list doesn't need personalization or the overhead of processing it that way), and an X-Post-ID header in CookHeaders.py, and though I haven't tested the header part yet everything seems to work fine. My two questions: 1) Where would I go about adding a config option to set the post_id? Ideally this is something which should only be set once, since you don't want someone mucking about with the number, and if you know there's 2850 messages in the old archive it's safe to make this one 3000 for those that might come in while you're migrating, and not worry about repeating numbers. So I would think it would be somewhere when creating the list you'd want to do this; or, an option that only allows inflation of the number (new_post_id > post_id || error). 2) How do I get this information to pass into the archives? The headers seem to be stripped somewhere, and footers are not archived. I'd like people to be able to search for the number and find that article. This could even be pretty-printed from the header, so instead of "X-Post-ID: 1234" it would say somewhere "This is article # 1234". Since the search engine is ht://Dig, it would pick it up either way; I imagine it could even be in the html source and not displayed (META tag?) and htdig would get it, but I'd rather it be viewable somehow. If/when I get this nicely cleaned up and presentable I'll submit the patch to SF. -- Steve Huston - Unix Systems Administrator, Dept. of Astrophysical Sciences Princeton University | ICBM Address: 40.346525 -74.651285 126 Peyton Hall |"On my ship, the Rocinante, wheeling through Princeton, NJ 08544 | the galaxies; headed for the heart of Cygnus, (609) 258-7375 | headlong into mystery." -Rush, 'Cygnus X-1' From barry at python.org Fri Jan 24 19:45:44 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:45:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Problems with content filtering References: Message-ID: <15921.35288.311747.238411@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "DG" == David Gibbs writes: DG> To fix the problem, we have to change the temporary directory DG> that lynx uses. DG> Change the HTML_TO_PLAIN_TEXT_COMMAND to the following ... | HTML_TO_PLAIN_TEXT_COMMAND = 'export LYNX_TEMP_SPACE=/tmp && | /usr/bin/lynx -force_html -dump %(filename)s' DG> This causes the temporary directory that lynx will use to be DG> /tmp (which, btw, is the default for a freshly built lynx). DG> Now, this works fine ... I just tested it and got fine DG> results... HOWEVER, I really don't like the way lynx formats DG> the dumped html file... it's got extra spaces between each DG> line. Don't know why. DG> I'm going to stick with links for now. :) This would make a nice FAQwiz entry! -Barry From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Jan 24 20:10:09 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 24 Jan 2003 14:10:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] senddigests -> LookupError: unknown encoding In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20030124103351.00bd1fe0@vlists.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20030124103351.00bd1fe0@vlists.net> Message-ID: <1043435414.2219.45.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Just a guess, but it looks like the next message in line to be "digested" has some malformed header info (and Mailman/Python doesn't check for that condition). I suggest that you move the next message in your digest queue out of the queue and see if that gets things moving again. Jon Carnes On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 11:33, VLists.Net Support wrote: > A couple days ago our digests stopped going out automatically. I forced it > to run this morning via a special cron entry and received the following > report. Can anyone give me a clue as to where to go find out what's > happening? Thanks. > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/home/circle/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ? > main() > File "/usr/home/circle/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main > mlist.send_digest_now() > File "/usr/home/circle/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, > in send_digest_now > ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) > File "/usr/home/circle/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", > line 130, in send_digests > send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/usr/home/circle/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", > line 319, in send_i18n_digests > b += unicode(t, cset, 'replace').encode(lcset, 'replace') > LookupError: unknown encoding > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Jan 24 20:11:47 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 24 Jan 2003 14:11:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 moderator messages - not receiving In-Reply-To: <3E316B8C.4040506@perkel.com> References: <3E316B8C.4040506@perkel.com> Message-ID: <1043435508.2223.47.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Check your list admin settings and see if your set to get immediate notifications. On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 11:36, Marc Perkel wrote: > I just upgraded to mailman 2.1 and it seems to work except I'm not receiving > messages that would normally be sent to the moderator. When a non-member or > moderated member posts to the list it does hold the message for the moderator - > but it doesn't notify the moderator that a message is being held. > > I'm running it with Exim 4.10 and it seems like everything else it working. > Anyone have a quick guess about what I'm doing wrong? > > From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Jan 24 20:12:48 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 24 Jan 2003 14:12:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing list headers In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20030124103907.00b76b38@vlists.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20030124103907.00b76b38@vlists.net> Message-ID: <1043435569.2223.49.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> If you are a sysadmin on the server, you can modify the source to leave that out... On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 11:39, VLists.Net Support wrote: > -> On 12:22 PM 1/23/2003 -0800, Tom Maddox was quoted as saying...: > > ->In addition to this problem, the Reply-To: header includes the short list > ->description (not the title but the description). Is there any way to change > ->*that*? > > Here, Here! The "short list description" isn't so short in some cases and > really botches up the reply line. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From johnc at jdcmicro.com Fri Jan 24 20:13:50 2003 From: johnc at jdcmicro.com (John Crutcher) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:13:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin errors Message-ID: I am getting errors from my cron tab everyday when it checks my database. Also I can not use administrator pending functions. I ran check_db and everythings OK, also the list group is still passing traffic. Any Suggestions? Here is a copy of the error log: ------------------------------ admin(57778): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.8 -----] admin(57778): [----- Traceback ------] admin(57778): Traceback (innermost last): admin(57778): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main admin(57778): main() admin(57778): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 115, in main admin(57778): PrintRequests(mlist, doc) admin(57778): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 131, in PrintRequests admin(57778): if not mlist.NumRequestsPending(): admin(57778): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 96, in NumRequestsPending admin(57778): self.__opendb() admin(57778): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb admin(57778): self.__db = marshal.load(fp) admin(57778): EOFError: EOF read where object expected ------------------------------- John Crutcher johnc at jdcmicro.com From barry at python.org Fri Jan 24 20:34:46 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:34:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin errors References: Message-ID: <15921.38230.334073.44328@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "JC" == John Crutcher writes: JC> I am getting errors from my cron tab everyday when it checks JC> my database. Also I can not use administrator pending JC> functions. I ran check_db and everythings OK, also the list JC> group is still passing traffic. Please send me the list's requests.db file. -Barry From paul at fpen.org Fri Jan 24 20:39:33 2003 From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg, M.D.) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:39:33 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List, user, and site passwords Message-ID: Are all the passwords used by mailman encrypted? I am migrating from Listproc where user and list passwords appear in plain text so that the list and site managers could read them. I thought that was bad and would warn my users not to use passwords that would cause problems if disclosed. Paul -- Paul Kleeberg paul at fpen.org From rpyne at kinfolk.org Fri Jan 24 20:51:12 2003 From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard Pyne) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:51:12 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customization question Message-ID: <200301241251.12560.rpyne@kinfolk.org> It is probably somewhere in the docs, but my feeble brain can't seem to located it, but is there somewhere I can customize the default email headers and footers for new lists? Thanks. Richard -- Richard B. Pyne rpyne at kinfolk.org From marc at perkel.com Fri Jan 24 20:51:20 2003 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:51:20 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 moderator messages - not receiving In-Reply-To: <1043435508.2223.47.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <3E316B8C.4040506@perkel.com> <1043435508.2223.47.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <3E319938.3060602@perkel.com> I checked the the setting for immediate notification - but I still am not getting notified. What process initiates notification and what email address is it sent to? Jon Carnes wrote: >Check your list admin settings and see if your set to get immediate >notifications. > >On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 11:36, Marc Perkel wrote: > > >>I just upgraded to mailman 2.1 and it seems to work except I'm not receiving >>messages that would normally be sent to the moderator. When a non-member or >>moderated member posts to the list it does hold the message for the moderator - >>but it doesn't notify the moderator that a message is being held. >> >>I'm running it with Exim 4.10 and it seems like everything else it working. >>Anyone have a quick guess about what I'm doing wrong? >> >> >> >> > > > > From Support at VLists.Net Fri Jan 24 20:59:06 2003 From: Support at VLists.Net (VLists.Net Support) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:59:06 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: senddigests -> LookupError: unknown encoding In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20030124112220.00cb6490@vlists.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20030124135906.00ca33b0@vlists.net> Found it. I'm not a Python programmer, so this had me befuddled until I looked at ToDigest.py for a bit and reasoned it out. Seems the first message in the digest.mbox file had the following header: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" I edited it in place, replacing it with... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" and the problem went away. Now the two questions I have are.... 1.) was the error due to the charset value, or the newline/tab sequence in the header line itself, and 2.) once I have the answer to #1, how do I fix that? Thanks. -> On 11:22 AM 1/24/2003 -0600, VLists.Net Support was quoted as saying...: -> Start of Quoted Material ->A couple days ago our digests stopped going out automatically. I forced it ->to run this morning via a special cron entry and received the following ->report. Can anyone give me a clue as to where to go find out what's ->happening? Thanks. -> ->Traceback (most recent call last): -> File "/usr/home/circle/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ? -> main() -> File "/usr/home/circle/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main -> mlist.send_digest_now() -> File "/usr/home/circle/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, ->in send_digest_now -> ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) -> File "/usr/home/circle/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", ->line 130, in send_digests -> send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) -> File "/usr/home/circle/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", ->line 319, in send_i18n_digests -> b += unicode(t, cset, 'replace').encode(lcset, 'replace') ->LookupError: unknown encoding Paul Allen Rice, Ms.D., N5KCJ Mr.Fantastic at FantasticWebsites.Com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Want a Fantastic Website? Check out FantasticWebsites.Com Want to run your own Mailing List? Join the VLists Network Visit http://www.fantasticwebsites.com or http://www.vlists.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From barry at python.org Fri Jan 24 21:03:05 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:03:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List, user, and site passwords References: Message-ID: <15921.39929.46510.276131@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "PK" == Paul Kleeberg writes: PK> Are all the passwords used by mailman encrypted? I am PK> migrating from Listproc where user and list passwords appear PK> in plain text so that the list and site managers could read PK> them. I thought that was bad and would warn my users not to PK> use passwords that would cause problems if disclosed. User passwords are kept in plaintext, otherwise we couldn't do password reminders (some would say that'd be a good thing :). List and site admin passwords are kept sha1 hashed (in MM2.1). -Barry From tmaddox at thereinc.com Fri Jan 24 21:31:57 2003 From: tmaddox at thereinc.com (Tom Maddox) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:31:57 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing list headers In-Reply-To: <1043435569.2223.49.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: > If you are a sysadmin on the server, you can modify the source to leave > that out... Well, yeah . . . I was hoping for something simpler. From tmaddox at thereinc.com Fri Jan 24 21:40:22 2003 From: tmaddox at thereinc.com (Tom Maddox) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:40:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving stops Message-ID: Hi, everyone, I'm rapidly racking up what I'm sure must be a record number of posts to this list, so I hope you'll all forgive me. Anyway, my latest issue is that Mailman stopped archiving messages last night around 9:30 p.m., for no apparent reason. There's nothing in the logs to indicate why archiving stopped. Has anyone ever seen this before? Also, is there a way to get the logfiles to be more verbose? Their contents are not very descriptive. Thanks, Tom From Support at VLists.Net Fri Jan 24 21:40:12 2003 From: Support at VLists.Net (VLists.Net Support) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:40:12 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: senddigests -> LookupError: unknown encoding In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20030124112220.00cb6490@vlists.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20030124144012.00cddc08@vlists.net> After playing with this a bit, I've found that it's specificly because of the Windows-1252 charset not being recognized. The linefeed/tab in the header didn't make any difference as it choked on another message that didn't have the linefeed/tab, but was also Windows-1252 charset. Now... a new problem has cropped up. One of my list members posts to the list using the TWIG webmail program and that program does not add Content-Type: header at all. Therefore when her mail message, which is actually US-ASCII plain text, is digested, it comes out with... ----non-text attachment stripped---- and no message body at all. That's kinda wrong because 1) it was text, and 2) it wasn't an attachment. Both of these are bugs that need to be addressed pretty quickly, if possible. From tmaddox at thereinc.com Fri Jan 24 21:53:23 2003 From: tmaddox at thereinc.com (Tom Maddox) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:53:23 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving stops In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Anyway, my latest issue is that Mailman stopped archiving messages last > night around 9:30 p.m., for no apparent reason. There's nothing > in the logs > to indicate why archiving stopped. Has anyone ever seen this before? I've since restarted Mailman, and archiving is still hosed. If anyone could suggest a possible cause or solution, I'd be very grateful. From paul at fpen.org Fri Jan 24 23:00:11 2003 From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 16:00:11 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Site-Wide list Message-ID: Could someone help me understand the purpose for creating the site-wide list titled "Mailman"? From the INSTALL instructions, end of section 4: > - Create a "site-wide" mailing list. This is the one that > password reminders will appear to come from. Usually this > should be the "mailman" mailing list, but if you need to change > this, be sure to change the MAILMAN_SITE_LIST variable in > mm_cfg.py (see below). > > % bin/newlist mailman > > Follow the prompts, and see the README file for more > information. > > - You should then subscribe yourself to the mailman list. I could not find more info about this in the read-me file or in the documentation. I assume: * I hide the list * Use the umbrella list settings to have the password reminders sent to the owner Is there more I should know? Do I need to use this list for anything? I am starting from scratch from 2.1 and have not used another version of Mailman before. Paul -- Paul Kleeberg paul at fpen.org From andrew.clark at ucsb.edu Fri Jan 24 23:20:11 2003 From: andrew.clark at ucsb.edu (Andrew Clark) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:20:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive limits in 2.1? In-Reply-To: <3E3272A8@webmail.ualberta.ca> Message-ID: Thanks! I may try to do it in python and submit a patch. I'd like to see options (yer usual email filtering items) for archive management in the web page interface, as well as a standalone command or two. I suppose the thing would run in cron and/or through the Archive qrunner. Probably as a scrubber for the first, and as a filter for the latter. Heck, filtering for the qrunners would be might handy. I've never programmed in python (just perl, php, and a little c++) so we'll see how it goes ;) Andrew Clark Campus Network Programmer University of California, Santa Barbara andrew.clark at ucsb.edu (805) 893-5311 On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Dennis Black wrote: > >===== Original Message From "Andrew D. Clark" ===== > >Is there any way (or if not, can there be a way) to limit the size/age > >of an archive? The current method seems to be manual munging of the > >mbox and then rerunning bin/arch. > > > Andrew, I got tired of the manual munging and scripted it. > Shell, because I don't know python. The cut-and-paste is at: > > http://www.mailman.srv.ualberta.ca/mmadmin.html > > 'grepmail' is required. > > Dennis.Black at UAlberta.Ca > Internet Applications, Computing and Network Services > 352 General Services Building, U of A, Edmonton T6G 2H1 > Ph: (780-)492-9329 Fx: (780-)492-1729 > news.srv, majordomo.srv, mailman.srv > > From ian at freenetproject.org Fri Jan 24 23:23:06 2003 From: ian at freenetproject.org (Ian Clarke) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:23:06 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not updating server URL on all lists Message-ID: <20030124222306.GB19200@freenetproject.org> Hi, I recently moved my HTTP service from port 80 to port 8080. I updated the DEFAULT_URL parameter in mm_cfg.py accordingly, however the results are somewhat peculiar - as can be seen from this URL: http://hawk.freenetproject.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/ You will notice that some of the links - eg. "Betatesters", "Web" have the correct URL, but others - eg. "devl" still use the old URL. People have reported similar inconsistencies elsewhere too. BTW - we are using version 2.0.13-2 in Debian. Can anyone help? Ian. -- Ian Clarke ian@[freenetproject.org|locut.us|cematics.com] Latest Project http://locut.us/ Personal Homepage http://locut.us/ian/ From dan.mick at sun.com Fri Jan 24 23:29:04 2003 From: dan.mick at sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:29:04 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Site-Wide list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E31BE30.7040300@sun.com> Paul Kleeberg wrote: > Could someone help me understand the purpose for creating the site-wide > list titled "Mailman"? From the INSTALL instructions, end of section 4: > >> - Create a "site-wide" mailing list. This is the one that >> password reminders will appear to come from. Usually this >> should be the "mailman" mailing list, but if you need to change >> this, be sure to change the MAILMAN_SITE_LIST variable in >> mm_cfg.py (see below). >> >> % bin/newlist mailman >> >> Follow the prompts, and see the README file for more >> information. >> >> - You should then subscribe yourself to the mailman list. > > > I could not find more info about this in the read-me file or in the > documentation. I assume: > > * I hide the list probably good. > * Use the umbrella list settings to have the password reminders sent to > the owner doesn't matter; list owner/site admin should be the only members. > Is there more I should know? Do I need to use this list for anything? No: "This is the one that password reminders will appear to come from." > I am starting from scratch from 2.1 and have not used another version of > Mailman before. > > Paul From dan.mick at sun.com Fri Jan 24 23:30:19 2003 From: dan.mick at sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:30:19 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not updating server URL on all lists In-Reply-To: <20030124222306.GB19200@freenetproject.org> References: <20030124222306.GB19200@freenetproject.org> Message-ID: <3E31BE7B.2020802@sun.com> Ian Clarke wrote: > I > updated the DEFAULT_URL parameter in mm_cfg.py only for new lists. old lists have it saved. see bin/fix_url.py. From dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us Fri Jan 24 23:37:41 2003 From: dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us (Parker, David K) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 16:37:41 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade from 2.0x to 2.1 Message-ID: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC97D@cobxchg.cobnet.org> I'm getting errors generated after upgrading from 2.0x to 2.1. I think its related to Cfron jobs being scheduled to run. Both installs of Mailman were done via RPM. I'm guessing that the latest RPM didn't take care of the Cron jobs? Any hints on cleaning this up? I've been through the UPGRADE doc. Traceback (innermost last): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 82, in ? import paths File "/var/mailman/cron/paths.py", line 60, in ? import korean.aliases File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/korean/aliases.py", line 23, in ? import encodings.aliases ImportError: No module named encodings.aliases Thanks, David Parker Systems/Network Administrator Information Technology Services City of Bryan, Texas From dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us Fri Jan 24 23:50:30 2003 From: dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us (Parker, David K) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 16:50:30 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1-1 Python syntax errors Message-ID: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC97E@cobxchg.cobnet.org> Many commands in Mailman installed from RPM give the following error? It seems to be giving up on the second ">". Any thoughts? File "./list_members", line 88 print >> fd, _(__doc__) David Parker Systems/Network Administrator Information Technology Services City of Bryan, Texas From dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us Sat Jan 25 00:20:32 2003 From: dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us (Parker, David K) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:20:32 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problems with Python? Message-ID: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC97F@cobxchg.cobnet.org> I'm getting errors running all Mailman commands after upgrading to 2.1-1. I'm beginning to think its related to my Python install. I was checking the program requirementsand was told to run "python -V" to check the version. I get an "unkown option" response. Rpm tells me that I have versions 1.5x and 2.x installed. Is the 1.5x version being run instead of 2.x? If so, how do I specify the correct python environment to load? rpm -q python2 python2-2.2.2-3.7.3 rpm -q python python-1.5.2-38 Thanks, David Parker Systems/Network Administrator Information Technology Services City of Bryan, Texas From paul at fpen.org Sat Jan 25 00:28:18 2003 From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:28:18 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Site-wide header on HTML pages Message-ID: I would like to put a site-wide header on all the HTML pages. I discovered how to do that for an uncustomized listinfo page by going to mailman/templates/en/listinfo.html but I cannot seem to change the appearance of the archive pages. Is there documentation on this somewhere? Paul -- Paul Kleeberg paul at fpen.org From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Sat Jan 25 01:47:10 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:47:10 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: senddigests -> LookupError: unknown encoding References: <3.0.3.32.20030124144012.00cddc08@vlists.net> Message-ID: <3E31DE8E.9040509@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> VLists.Net Support wrote: > After playing with this a bit, I've found that it's specificly because of > the Windows-1252 charset not being recognized. The linefeed/tab in the > header didn't make any difference as it choked on another message that > didn't have the linefeed/tab, but was also Windows-1252 charset. What version of Python you are using. Windows-1252 is in Python 2.2. > > Now... a new problem has cropped up. One of my list members posts to the > list using the TWIG webmail program and that program does not add > Content-Type: header at all. Therefore when her mail message, which is > actually US-ASCII plain text, is digested, it comes out with... > > ----non-text attachment stripped---- > > and no message body at all. That's kinda wrong because 1) it was text, and > 2) it wasn't an attachment. > > Both of these are bugs that need to be addressed pretty quickly, if possible. I suppose your Mailman is patched with this patch http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=103&atid=300103&file_id=39760&aid=668819 Please try upgrade the patch with http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=103&atid=300103&file_id=40199&aid=668819 (You need backout the previous patch) See also http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=668819&group_id=103&atid=300103 Or upgrade to the recent CVS which is now I am reviewing and going to upload further patch. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Sat Jan 25 02:28:26 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 20:28:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problems with Python? In-Reply-To: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC97F@cobxchg.cobnet.org> References: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC97F@cobxchg.cobnet.org> Message-ID: <20030125012826.GJ23492@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Parker, David K wrote: > I'm getting errors running all Mailman commands after upgrading to 2.1-1. > I'm beginning to think its related to my Python install. I was checking the > program requirementsand was told to run "python -V" to check the version. I > get an "unkown option" response. Rpm tells me that I have versions 1.5x and > 2.x installed. Is the 1.5x version being run instead of 2.x? If so, how do I > specify the correct python environment to load? You want to use --with-python=/usr/bin/python2 when you run configure (adjust the path if the python2 binary is installed somewhere else). - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ The trouble with most people is that they think with their hopes or fears or wishes rather than with their minds. -- Will Durant -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+Meg6uv+09NZUB1oRAiFZAJ43gkCC7LzvN1okYBExoUy7cAfhngCghVDJ ASiL4Z6wqkAR9uEtE8IYQGk= =cLYU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jan 25 03:45:48 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 24 Jan 2003 21:45:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving stops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1043462752.2219.68.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> I've had this happen under version 2.0.8 before. Once because the existing archive had gotten hosed. I simply deleted the html files and regenerated the archives using arch. That worked fine. Another time, I did the same thing and arch continuously stopped at one point. I went into the Mbox file and looked at the next message and sure enough it was malformed - not enough to kill delivery, but enough to hose the Pipermail archiver. Once I deleted the malformed email, arch ran fine and everything worked again. I suggest you look at your current Archives then go to your Mbox file for that list and look at the next message. The html archive files for lists are stored in: ~mailman/archives/private//.. The mbox file for the archives are stored in: ~mailman/archives/private// Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 15:53, Tom Maddox wrote: > > Anyway, my latest issue is that Mailman stopped archiving messages last > > night around 9:30 p.m., for no apparent reason. There's nothing > > in the logs > > to indicate why archiving stopped. Has anyone ever seen this before? > > I've since restarted Mailman, and archiving is still hosed. If anyone could > suggest a possible cause or solution, I'd be very grateful. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From huston at astro.Princeton.EDU Sat Jan 25 04:10:54 2003 From: huston at astro.Princeton.EDU (Steve Huston) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 22:10:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] post_id in messages and archives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Steve Huston wrote: > Checking the patches on Sourceforge, I found where someone sent in a patch > that adds the mlist.post_id number to the subject if it contains '%d'. While > this may be the easiest way to do this, since it would also be searchable that > way in the archives, I'd prefer to keep the information in the footer and/or > message headers. > If/when I get this nicely cleaned up and presentable I'll submit the patch to > SF. Well, a few hours later, I did just that: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=674433&group_id=103&atid=300103 Please, if a couple people better at Python than I am could look this over, and see if you notice any glaring mistakes, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. -- Steve Huston - Unix Systems Administrator, Dept. of Astrophysical Sciences Princeton University | ICBM Address: 40.346525 -74.651285 126 Peyton Hall |"On my ship, the Rocinante, wheeling through Princeton, NJ 08544 | the galaxies; headed for the heart of Cygnus, (609) 258-7375 | headlong into mystery." -Rush, 'Cygnus X-1' From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jan 25 04:43:36 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 24 Jan 2003 22:43:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Site-wide header on HTML pages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1043466220.2219.86.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> For the archives look in the same directory in the file: archtoc.html On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 18:28, Paul Kleeberg wrote: > I would like to put a site-wide header on all the HTML pages. I > discovered how to do that for an uncustomized listinfo page by going > to mailman/templates/en/listinfo.html but I cannot seem to change the > appearance of the archive pages. Is there documentation on this > somewhere? > > Paul > -- > Paul Kleeberg > paul at fpen.org > From gen-lists at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Jan 25 13:22:12 2003 From: gen-lists at blueyonder.co.uk (Mark C) Date: 25 Jan 2003 12:22:12 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricting access to the create list web page Message-ID: <1043497329.19269.7.camel@stimpy.angelnet.int> Hi, I have just upgraded to Mailman 2.1 and all my previous problems have now vanished and its working prefectly (only taken a week of constant searching and brain bashing) I have just noticed (maybe I never realised before), but there is a web page that will allow list admins to create a new list. Is there anyway I can restrict access to this page, by say IP. I don't want joe public top be able to bring this page up at all, only the internal network list admins. I was thinking of a directive in the mailman httpd.conf file, but not sure where to put it. Any help would be great Mark -- Eagles may soar.. But weasels don't get sucked into jet engines... From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Sat Jan 25 13:58:21 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:58:21 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricting access to the create list web page References: <1043497329.19269.7.camel@stimpy.angelnet.int> Message-ID: <3E3289ED.7020108@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> > Is there anyway I can restrict access to this page, by say IP. > > I don't want joe public top be able to bring this page up at all, only > the internal network list admins. > > I was thinking of a directive in the mailman httpd.conf file, but not > sure where to put it. Put Order deny,allow Deny from all Allow from 123.45.67.89 just beneath the section for mailman cgi in the Apache httpd.conf, and restart httpd. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From gen-lists at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Jan 25 14:59:08 2003 From: gen-lists at blueyonder.co.uk (Mark C) Date: 25 Jan 2003 13:59:08 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricting access to the create list web page (sorted) In-Reply-To: <1043497329.19269.7.camel@stimpy.angelnet.int> References: <1043497329.19269.7.camel@stimpy.angelnet.int> Message-ID: <1043503147.19663.26.camel@stimpy.angelnet.int> On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 12:22, Mark C wrote: This has now been sorted, Thanks to Tokio Kikuchi Mark -- Eagles may soar.. But weasels don't get sucked into jet engines... From fernando at schapachnik.com.ar Sat Jan 25 15:18:24 2003 From: fernando at schapachnik.com.ar (Fernando Schapachnik) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:18:24 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two questions: external headers and moderation Message-ID: <20030125141824.GG1139@funes.schapachnik.com.ar> Hi, First of all forgive if this message is inappropiate for the charter (too technical). Is my first post, and I haven't found the answers in the archive. To the point: a) I have a 'sponsored' list and need to include some random footers in the posts. Is there a way to include external commands' output there? b) Some of my moderated lists have quite a lot of traffic, but most of the posts turn out to be Ok. I though email based moderation would ease things on the moderator. It turns out that the confirm/deny message comes as a MIME attachment and his MUA (Kmail, BTW) treats it as 'read-only', so he can't reply to it. To make things worst, Kmail wouldn't allow him to cut&paste the Subject line of the attachment also... :( I know it is a MUA's bug, but I'm trying to find a workaround to it. Is there some way to have this info in the message body or something? Also, I was expecting to have some approve/deny mechanism that wouldn't involve sending the password in clear text. Is this planned for some future release? Thanks in advance for any help. Fernando P. Schapachnik fernando at schapachnik.com.ar From terry at ahugedeal.com Fri Jan 24 05:57:32 2003 From: terry at ahugedeal.com (Terry McClaugherty) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:57:32 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Message-ID: <000301c2c365$1b82b7e0$9865fea9@nt2000.ahugedeal.com> Hi, is it possible to set Mailman up so if a user just sends an email with the word subscribe in the subject then they would be subscribed to the list? Also, in my from name it said listname-admin at domain.com on behalf of Myname [myemail at ahugedeal.com] Is it possible so it just comes from listname-admin at domain.com without the "behalf" part? Thanks, I looked through the docs, but did not see the answers to these questions Thanks Terry From dpiette at ben.vub.ac.be Fri Jan 24 09:01:43 2003 From: dpiette at ben.vub.ac.be (Didier PIETTE) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:01:43 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to delete messages from private archives Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030124085831.00ac86f8@ben.vub.ac.be> Hi, I'm a new Mailman administrator and I create a list. But some people have sended to it test messages to see how it works. Now I want to delete just a few messages from the private archives. How can i do that ? Regards Didier PIETTE ---------- Didier Piette - Data Analyst ---------- Belgian biodiversity Information Facility (BeBIF) Universit? Libre de Bruxelles Campus de la Plaine CP 257 B?timent NO, Bureau 4 O4 210 (Niveau 4) Boulevard du Triomphe, entr?e ULB 2 B-1050 Bruxelles T?l. : +32 2 650 57 47 - Fax : +32 2 650 5124 Email: dpiette at ben.vub.ac.be http://www.be.gbif.net From gareth at za.uu.net Fri Jan 24 09:34:37 2003 From: gareth at za.uu.net (Gareth Hopkins) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:34:37 +0200 (SAST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] X-Loop In-Reply-To: <34695B8C-2F62-11D7-B4DF-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> Message-ID: <20030124103401.E46974-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: CVR> CVR>On Thursday, January 23, 2003, at 10:01 PM, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: CVR> CVR>> Huh? What's an X-loop header? Mailman doesn't use or add this CVR>> header. CVR>> CVR> CVR>It's a procmail convention, so that procmail recipes can tell they've CVR>already seen a message and break a potential mail loop. So is there anywhere I can add this then in mailman or change the X-Beenthere settings? --- Gareth Hopkins Server Operations UUNET South Africa (o) +27.21.658.8700 (f) +27.21.658.8552 (m) +27.82.929.6668 http://www.uunet.co.za 08600 UUNET (08600 88638) "The contents of this e-mail and any accompanying documentation is confidential and any use thereof, in whatever form, by anyone other than the addressee for whom it is intended, is strictly prohibited." From hengs at planck.fi.itb.ac.id Sat Jan 25 06:47:56 2003 From: hengs at planck.fi.itb.ac.id (hengky) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:47:56 +0700 (JAVT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] howto install and configure mailman in slackware 8.0???? Message-ID: can give me some instructions or some documentation about howto installing and configuring mailman in linux slackware 8.0 I use apache as web server and sendmail as smtp server. thanks hengs Computer Networking Administrator Instrumentation Laboratory Physics Department Bandung Institute Technology From gareth at za.uu.net Fri Jan 24 16:10:34 2003 From: gareth at za.uu.net (Gareth Hopkins) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:10:34 +0200 (SAST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] X-Loop In-Reply-To: <15921.15420.68366.748326@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20030124170920.E46974-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: BAW> BAW>>>>>> "GH" == Gareth Hopkins writes: BAW> BAW> GH> So is there anywhere I can add this then in mailman or change BAW> GH> the X-Beenthere settings? BAW> BAW>I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish, but sure you can add it BAW>to Mailman. Pick a module in Mailman/Handlers, or make up your own BAW>that just adds the header with whatever value you think will help you BAW>accomplish your goal . Howdie, Thanks for the info :) Was wondering something about the newlist command. In version 2.1 you cannot use the -o aliases option. Is there another way to automatically add the entries of a new list to the aliases file? --- Gareth Hopkins Server Operations UUNET South Africa (o) +27.21.658.8700 (f) +27.21.658.8552 (m) +27.82.929.6668 http://www.uunet.co.za 08600 UUNET (08600 88638) "The contents of this e-mail and any accompanying documentation is confidential and any use thereof, in whatever form, by anyone other than the addressee for whom it is intended, is strictly prohibited." From marcin at owsiany.pl Fri Jan 24 19:12:01 2003 From: marcin at owsiany.pl (Marcin Owsiany) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:12:01 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fiddling with pending messages Message-ID: <20030124181201.GA19523@melina.ds14.agh.edu.pl> Hi! A list I own recently got a lot (about half a thousand) of virii which were all caught for approval by mailman. Now I need to discard them all, but doing that through the web interface would be a nightmare. Thus I'd rather do that with Python, Perl, grep, filetools or anything that would let me automate the process. However I need some information on how to access/modify the pending posts other than the web interface. Where do I start? I could not find anything obvious in the docs, and maybe someone has already done something similar? thanks, Marcin PS: A Cc would be nice. -- Marcin Owsiany http://marcin.owsiany.pl/ GnuPG: 1024D/60F41216 FE67 DA2D 0ACA FC5E 3F75 D6F6 3A0D 8AA0 60F4 1216 "Every program in development at MIT expands until it can read mail." -- Unknown From segfault at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Jan 25 13:21:31 2003 From: segfault at blueyonder.co.uk (Mark) Date: 25 Jan 2003 12:21:31 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricting access to the create list web page Message-ID: <1043497290.19285.5.camel@stimpy.angelnet.int> Hi, I have just upgraded to Mailman 2.1 and all my previous problems have now vanished and its working prefectly (only taken a week of constant searching and brain bashing) I have just noticed (maybe I never realised before), but there is a web page that will allow list admins to create a new list. Is there anyway I can restrict access to this page, by say IP. I don't want joe public top be able to bring this page up at all, only the internal network list admins. I was thinking of a directive in the mailman httpd.conf file, but not sure where to put it. Any help would be great Mark -- Please be aware that I do not read or reply to messages with attachments in any proprietary format. Please send attachments in any standards compliant format. Proprietary format attachments are a major obstacle to the broader adoption of GNU/Linux. Remember: Competition is good for business; Proprietary denies choice.. From hu.peress at mail.mcgill.ca Fri Jan 24 21:53:41 2003 From: hu.peress at mail.mcgill.ca (Hunter Peress) Date: 24 Jan 2003 14:53:41 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and searching Message-ID: <1043441621.24359.28.camel@HillCountryPeress> mailman doesnt seem to support searching by default. Eg: http://returntonature.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-sony Could you explain how to set up searching for mailman, and what version this appears in, as its not on that sony linux. thanks. NOTE that you need to include me in the reply as I am not going to subscribe to the list. From tsikora at ntplx.net Fri Jan 24 22:38:38 2003 From: tsikora at ntplx.net (Ted Sikora) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 16:38:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0.13 runs on IBM OS/2 too! Message-ID: <3E31B25E.3060405@ntplx.net> http://powerusersbbs.net/browse/sections/mailman http://powerusersbbs.net/mailman/listinfo -- Ted Sikora tsikora at ntplx.net From ian at freenetproject.org Fri Jan 24 23:16:10 2003 From: ian at freenetproject.org (Ian Clarke) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:16:10 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not updating server URL on all lists Message-ID: <20030124221610.GA19200@freenetproject.org> Hi, I recently moved my HTTP service from port 80 to port 8080. I updated the DEFAULT_URL parameter in mm_cfg.py accordingly, however the results are somewhat peculiar - as can be seen from this URL: http://hawk.freenetproject.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/ You will notice that some of the links - eg. "Betatesters", "Web" have the correct URL, but others - eg. "devl" still use the old URL. People have reported similar inconsistencies elsewhere too. Can anyone help? Ian. -- Ian Clarke ian@[freenetproject.org|locut.us|cematics.com] Latest Project http://locut.us/ Personal Homepage http://locut.us/ian/ From bob at jriver.com Sat Jan 25 21:52:10 2003 From: bob at jriver.com (bob at jriver.com) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:52:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1: ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO Message-ID: <20030125205210.25161.qmail@linux.jriver.com> updated installation from 2.0.13 Had to install new python, python-2.2.2-7 compiled from source RPM after updating the required packages (i.e. db4). Any ideas on where the source of this problem lies? It's running on YDL 2.3 (redhat 7.2 like ppc system) Bob From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jan 25 23:07:53 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 16:07:53 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman References: <000301c2c365$1b82b7e0$9865fea9@nt2000.ahugedeal.com> Message-ID: <001c01c2c4be$35d6dfe0$1501a8c0@anncons2> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry McClaugherty" Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:57 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman > Hi, is it possible to set Mailman up so if a user just sends an email > with the word subscribe in the subject then they would be subscribed to > the list? Yes there are work-arounds that let you do this. Yes, it is a very bad idea to setup a list this way - as I'm sure you will eventually find out. > > Also, in my from name it said listname-admin at domain.com on behalf of > Myname [myemail at ahugedeal.com] > > Is it possible so it just comes from listname-admin at domain.com without > the "behalf" part? Very simple. What are you using as your mail client? Just about any mail client these days will allow you to adjust who your mail is "from". I can click on the From field of this email right now and assume any one of 8 different identies (including nospam at nospam.com) > > Thanks, I looked through the docs, but did not see the answers to these > questions > > Thanks > Terry > > From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jan 25 23:11:44 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 16:11:44 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to delete messages from private archives References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030124085831.00ac86f8@ben.vub.ac.be> Message-ID: <002401c2c4be$bef12420$1501a8c0@anncons2> I'm pretty sure this is in the FAQ, - edit the archive mbox file ~mailman/archive/private// remove the messages you want gone from the archives - delete the current html archives in ~mailman/archive/private//.. - run the ~mailman/bin/arch command and regenerate the archives for your list. Have fun - Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Didier PIETTE" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 2:01 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to delete messages from private archives Hi, I'm a new Mailman administrator and I create a list. But some people have sended to it test messages to see how it works. Now I want to delete just a few messages from the private archives. How can i do that ? Regards Didier PIETTE ---------- Didier Piette - Data Analyst ---------- Belgian biodiversity Information Facility (BeBIF) Universit? Libre de Bruxelles Campus de la Plaine CP 257 B?timent NO, Bureau 4 O4 210 (Niveau 4) Boulevard du Triomphe, entr?e ULB 2 B-1050 Bruxelles T?l. : +32 2 650 57 47 - Fax : +32 2 650 5124 Email: dpiette at ben.vub.ac.be http://www.be.gbif.net ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jan 25 23:16:07 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 16:16:07 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] howto install and configure mailman in slackware8.0???? References: Message-ID: <003201c2c4bf$5c494ae0$1501a8c0@anncons2> Down load the source from a tarball and expand it via "tar -xzf .." and then follow the instructions in the file INSTALL (and any special instructions from the other specific READM.xxx files). If you have Python 2.2 installed on the system then the install should be very easy! Good Luck ----- Original Message ----- From: "hengky" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:47 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] howto install and configure mailman in slackware8.0???? > can give me some instructions or some documentation about howto installing > and configuring mailman in linux slackware 8.0 > > I use apache as web server and sendmail as smtp server. > > thanks > hengs > > Computer Networking Administrator > Instrumentation Laboratory > Physics Department > Bandung Institute Technology > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jimpop at rocketship.com Sat Jan 25 22:17:45 2003 From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 16:17:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to delete messages from private archives In-Reply-To: <002401c2c4be$bef12420$1501a8c0@anncons2> Message-ID: It is worth adding that doing this will surely invalidate most if not all URLs that reference archived emails. -Jim P. > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+jimpop=rocketship.com at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jimpop=rocketship.com at python.org]On Behalf > Of Jon Carnes > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 5:12 PM > To: mailman-users at python.org; Didier PIETTE > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to delete messages from private > archives > > > I'm pretty sure this is in the FAQ, > - edit the archive mbox file > ~mailman/archive/private// > remove the messages you want gone from the archives > - delete the current html archives in > ~mailman/archive/private//.. > - run the ~mailman/bin/arch command and regenerate the archives for your > list. > > Have fun - Jon Carnes > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Didier PIETTE" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 2:01 AM > Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to delete messages from private archives > > > Hi, > > I'm a new Mailman administrator and I create a list. But some people have > sended to it test messages to see how it works. Now I want to > delete just a > few messages from the private archives. > How can i do that ? > > Regards > Didier PIETTE > > > ---------- > Didier Piette - Data Analyst > > ---------- > Belgian biodiversity Information Facility (BeBIF) > Universit? Libre de Bruxelles > Campus de la Plaine CP 257 > B?timent NO, Bureau 4 O4 210 (Niveau 4) > Boulevard du Triomphe, entr?e ULB 2 > B-1050 Bruxelles > > T?l. : +32 2 650 57 47 - Fax : +32 2 650 5124 > Email: dpiette at ben.vub.ac.be > http://www.be.gbif.net > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jimpop at rocketship.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jimpop%40rock etship.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jan 25 23:26:16 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 16:26:16 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Aliases in v2.1 -was- X-Loop References: <20030124170920.E46974-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> Message-ID: <004201c2c4c0$c8cae420$1501a8c0@anncons2> Version 2.1 automatically creates the aliases in ~mailman/data/aliases so you can include that in your MTA's alias checks and from that point on the aliases are created automagically. Read the INSTALL file. What could be better than that? Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth Hopkins" To: "Barry A. Warsaw" Cc: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] X-Loop > On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > > BAW> > BAW>>>>>> "GH" == Gareth Hopkins writes: > BAW> > BAW> GH> So is there anywhere I can add this then in mailman or change > BAW> GH> the X-Beenthere settings? > BAW> > BAW>I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish, but sure you can add it > BAW>to Mailman. Pick a module in Mailman/Handlers, or make up your own > BAW>that just adds the header with whatever value you think will help you > BAW>accomplish your goal . > > Howdie, > > Thanks for the info :) Was wondering something about the newlist > command. In version 2.1 you cannot use the -o aliases option. Is there > another way to automatically add the entries of a new list to the > aliases file? > > --- > Gareth Hopkins > Server Operations > UUNET South Africa > (o) +27.21.658.8700 > (f) +27.21.658.8552 > (m) +27.82.929.6668 > http://www.uunet.co.za > 08600 UUNET (08600 88638) > > "The contents of this e-mail and any accompanying documentation is > confidential and any use thereof, in whatever form, by anyone other > than the addressee for whom it is intended, is strictly prohibited." > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jan 25 23:30:40 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 16:30:40 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fiddling with pending messages References: <20030124181201.GA19523@melina.ds14.agh.edu.pl> Message-ID: <004601c2c4c1$643ac2e0$1501a8c0@anncons2> It's in the FAQ's, - delete the heldmsg-... files in ~mailman/data/.. (these are the actual messages) - in version 2.1 simply delete the request.db file ~mailman/lists//.. in version 2.0 copy a request.db from another list over the existing one (or simply run the web-admindb at that point and it will auto-sense that the heldmsg's have been deleted and then clean out the request.db file for you). Good Luck - Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcin Owsiany" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 12:12 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fiddling with pending messages > Hi! > > A list I own recently got a lot (about half a thousand) of virii which > were all caught for approval by mailman. > > Now I need to discard them all, but doing that through the web interface > would be a nightmare. Thus I'd rather do that with Python, Perl, grep, > filetools or anything that would let me automate the process. However I > need some information on how to access/modify the pending posts other > than the web interface. > > Where do I start? I could not find anything obvious in the docs, and > maybe someone has already done something similar? > > thanks, > > Marcin > PS: A Cc would be nice. > -- > Marcin Owsiany http://marcin.owsiany.pl/ > GnuPG: 1024D/60F41216 FE67 DA2D 0ACA FC5E 3F75 D6F6 3A0D 8AA0 60F4 1216 > > "Every program in development at MIT expands until it can read mail." > -- Unknown > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jan 25 23:38:47 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 16:38:47 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not updating server URL on all lists References: <20030124221610.GA19200@freenetproject.org> Message-ID: <005001c2c4c2$86b7fee0$1501a8c0@anncons2> Have you gone into the web-admin for the offending lists and changed their default URL's from there? Also, when you do a ~mailman/bin/config_list of the offending lists what URL's show up from the configuration databases? Note: you can also use ~mailman/bin/config_list to make changes to your lists config (read the help inside the command file). Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Clarke" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 4:16 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not updating server URL on all lists > Hi, I recently moved my HTTP service from port 80 to port 8080. I > updated the DEFAULT_URL parameter in mm_cfg.py accordingly, however the > results are somewhat peculiar - as can be seen from this URL: > > http://hawk.freenetproject.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/ > > You will notice that some of the links - eg. "Betatesters", "Web" have > the correct URL, but others - eg. "devl" still use the old URL. People > have reported similar inconsistencies elsewhere too. > > Can anyone help? > > Ian. > > -- > Ian Clarke ian@[freenetproject.org|locut.us|cematics.com] > Latest Project http://locut.us/ > Personal Homepage http://locut.us/ian/ > > ------------------------------------------------------ From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jan 25 23:43:00 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 16:43:00 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1: ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO References: <20030125205210.25161.qmail@linux.jriver.com> Message-ID: <005c01c2c4c3$1d70e540$1501a8c0@anncons2> I think this one has flown across the list a few times. Try adding a switch during the ./configure stage that points to the python2 executable. Good Luck - Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 2:52 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1: ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO > updated installation from 2.0.13 > > Had to install new python, python-2.2.2-7 compiled from source RPM > after updating the required packages (i.e. db4). > > Any ideas on where the source of this problem lies? It's running > on YDL 2.3 (redhat 7.2 like ppc system) > > Bob > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jan 25 23:47:15 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 16:47:15 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to delete messages from private archives References: Message-ID: <006801c2c4c3$b571dc00$1501a8c0@anncons2> Yep, but as I recall someone made a patch that preserved the URL references (at least in 2.0). Not that that is worry for the case below since they just started up the list. BTW: I get around this by running HTDig on my servers so that folks can search the archives directly. It helps. A lot. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Popovitch" To: "Jon Carnes" ; ; "Didier PIETTE" Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 3:17 PM Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] How to delete messages from private archives > It is worth adding that doing this will surely invalidate most if not all > URLs that reference archived emails. > > -Jim P. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mailman-users-bounces+jimpop=rocketship.com at python.org > > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jimpop=rocketship.com at python.org]On Behalf > > Of Jon Carnes > > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 5:12 PM > > To: mailman-users at python.org; Didier PIETTE > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to delete messages from private > > archives > > > > > > I'm pretty sure this is in the FAQ, > > - edit the archive mbox file > > ~mailman/archive/private// > > remove the messages you want gone from the archives > > - delete the current html archives in > > ~mailman/archive/private//.. > > - run the ~mailman/bin/arch command and regenerate the archives for your > > list. > > > > Have fun - Jon Carnes > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Didier PIETTE" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 2:01 AM > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to delete messages from private archives > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm a new Mailman administrator and I create a list. But some people have > > sended to it test messages to see how it works. Now I want to > > delete just a > > few messages from the private archives. > > How can i do that ? > > > > Regards > > Didier PIETTE > > > > > > ---------- > > Didier Piette - Data Analyst > > > > ---------- > > Belgian biodiversity Information Facility (BeBIF) > > Universit? Libre de Bruxelles > > Campus de la Plaine CP 257 > > B?timent NO, Bureau 4 O4 210 (Niveau 4) > > Boulevard du Triomphe, entr?e ULB 2 > > B-1050 Bruxelles > > > > T?l. : +32 2 650 57 47 - Fax : +32 2 650 5124 > > Email: dpiette at ben.vub.ac.be > > http://www.be.gbif.net > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jimpop at rocketship.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jimpop%40rock > etship.com > > From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Sat Jan 25 23:11:52 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:11:52 -0500 Subject: Using mailman without passwords WAS Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman In-Reply-To: <001c01c2c4be$35d6dfe0$1501a8c0@anncons2>; from jonc@nc.rr.com on Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 04:07:53PM -0600 References: <000301c2c365$1b82b7e0$9865fea9@nt2000.ahugedeal.com> <001c01c2c4be$35d6dfe0$1501a8c0@anncons2> Message-ID: <20030125171152.A17048@dogpound.vnet.net> * Jon Carnes (jonc at nc.rr.com) wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Terry McClaugherty" > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:57 PM > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman > > > > Hi, is it possible to set Mailman up so if a user just sends an email > > with the word subscribe in the subject then they would be subscribed to > > the list? > > Yes there are work-arounds that let you do this. Yes, it is a very bad idea > to setup a list this way - as I'm sure you will eventually find out. Just testing this on my mailman installation (Mailman 2.1) and it doesn't require a password. I have nothing extra installed (wrappers/addons/etc). 1. I subscribe'd by sending an empty email with 'subscribe' in the subject to listname-request at host NOTE: This same process was repeated using the web based form without supplying any password. However, mailman did assign me a password (which I ignored for the rest of the steps). 2. confirmed by just replying to the email sent to me (which finalized my subscription process and I start receiving mail). 3. I unsubscribed by sending an empty email with 'unsubscribe' in the subject to listname-request at host NOTE: Going to http://host/mailman/options/listname/address%40host gives me an unsubscribe button. Pushing this sends me the unsubscribe confirm email. 4. a reply to the sent email finalizes the unsubscribe process. All steps done without any passwords being sent or used. So editing the templates (welcome message) and other web forms, one could easily remove refrences to the password, so users won't know the difference. Without password authenticating the user can only unsubscribe or have the password sent to them. All other options (digest mode/etc) cannot be set by the user, only the admin. Now my 2 disclaimers. 1. Do with this information as you see fit, its not the recommended way to setup a list. 2. Take it for what its worth, it was free. ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Saturday, January 25, 2003 / 04:42PM | ---------------------------------------------- Only in America do we use the work "politics" to describe the process so well. "Poll" in Latin meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures" From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net Sat Jan 25 23:17:42 2003 From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:17:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and searching In-Reply-To: <1043441621.24359.28.camel@HillCountryPeress>; from hu.peress@mail.mcgill.ca on Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 02:53:41PM -0600 References: <1043441621.24359.28.camel@HillCountryPeress> Message-ID: <20030125171742.B17048@dogpound.vnet.net> * Hunter Peress (hu.peress at mail.mcgill.ca) wrote: > Could you explain how to set up searching for mailman, and what version > this appears in, as its not on that sony linux. thanks. > > NOTE that you need to include me in the reply as I am not going to > subscribe to the list. Check the web site and FAQ. If you were subscribed to the list, you'd find this question is asked fairly often. There is an entry in the FAQ (1.11 to be exact). http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp ---------------------------------------------- | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ | |--------------------------------------------| | Saturday, January 25, 2003 / 05:14PM | ---------------------------------------------- My last cow just died, so I won't need your bull anymore. From jimpop at rocketship.com Sat Jan 25 23:32:41 2003 From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:32:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to delete messages from private archives In-Reply-To: <006801c2c4c3$b571dc00$1501a8c0@anncons2> Message-ID: Hi Jon, I too use HTDig, but this doesn't really help with external search engines or deep-linkers. The best solution, is MHonarc, but I keep holding out for Pipermail to catchup. ;) -Jim P. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 5:47 PM > To: Jim Popovitch; mailman-users at python.org; Didier PIETTE > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to delete messages from private > archives > > > Yep, but as I recall someone made a patch that preserved the URL > references > (at least in 2.0). Not that that is worry for the case below since they > just started up the list. > > BTW: I get around this by running HTDig on my servers so that folks can > search the archives directly. It helps. A lot. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Popovitch" > To: "Jon Carnes" ; ; "Didier > PIETTE" > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 3:17 PM > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] How to delete messages from private archives > > > > It is worth adding that doing this will surely invalidate most > if not all > > URLs that reference archived emails. > > > > -Jim P. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: mailman-users-bounces+jimpop=rocketship.com at python.org > > > > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jimpop=rocketship.com at python.org]On Behalf > > > Of Jon Carnes > > > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 5:12 PM > > > To: mailman-users at python.org; Didier PIETTE > > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to delete messages from private > > > archives > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure this is in the FAQ, > > > - edit the archive mbox file > > > ~mailman/archive/private// > > > remove the messages you want gone from the archives > > > - delete the current html archives in > > > ~mailman/archive/private//.. > > > - run the ~mailman/bin/arch command and regenerate the archives for > your > > > list. > > > > > > Have fun - Jon Carnes > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Didier PIETTE" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 2:01 AM > > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to delete messages from private archives > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm a new Mailman administrator and I create a list. But some people > have > > > sended to it test messages to see how it works. Now I want to > > > delete just a > > > few messages from the private archives. > > > How can i do that ? > > > > > > Regards > > > Didier PIETTE > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > Didier Piette - Data Analyst > > > > > > ---------- > > > Belgian biodiversity Information Facility (BeBIF) > > > Universit? Libre de Bruxelles > > > Campus de la Plaine CP 257 > > > B?timent NO, Bureau 4 O4 210 (Niveau 4) > > > Boulevard du Triomphe, entr?e ULB 2 > > > B-1050 Bruxelles > > > > > > T?l. : +32 2 650 57 47 - Fax : +32 2 650 5124 > > > Email: dpiette at ben.vub.ac.be > > > http://www.be.gbif.net > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > Searchable Archives: > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > Searchable Archives: > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > > This message was sent to: jimpop at rocketship.com > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jimpop%40rock > > etship.com > > > > > > From bob at jriver.com Sun Jan 26 00:21:12 2003 From: bob at jriver.com (bob at jriver.com) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:21:12 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1: ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO In-Reply-To: <005c01c2c4c3$1d70e540$1501a8c0@anncons2> Message-ID: <20030125232112.30802.qmail@linux.jriver.com> Thanks Jon, it doesn't look like that is the problem though. I reinstalled with ./configure --with-python=/usr/bin/python --with-mail-gid=510 --with-cgi-gid=16 --prefix=/home/mailman and it has the same error. I'm using qmail btw an some virtual domains though this mailman is in the default place. The other mailman I have running in a different place for a different domain (v 2.0.13) is still running fine even with the new python. When I rpm -Uvh to the new python it replaced the 1.5 version... root at kunk ppc]# /usr/bin/python -V Python 2.2.2 There is no other python executable on the machine... mailman at kunk mailman-2.1]$ rpm -qa | grep python rpm-python-4.0.3-1.03b libxslt-python-1.0.15-1 python-devel-2.2.2-7 python-docs-2.2.2-7 python-tools-2.2.2-7 python-xmlrpc-1.5.1-7.x.3 libxml2-python-2.4.19-1 python-2.2.2-7 Thanks, Bob User Jon Carnes says: > I think this one has flown across the list a few times. Try adding a switch > during the ./configure stage that points to the python2 executable. > > Good Luck - Jon Carnes > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 2:52 PM > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1: ImportError: No module named > pythonlib.StringIO > > > > updated installation from 2.0.13 > > > > Had to install new python, python-2.2.2-7 compiled from source RPM > > after updating the required packages (i.e. db4). > > > > Any ideas on where the source of this problem lies? It's running > > on YDL 2.3 (redhat 7.2 like ppc system) > > > > Bob > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > -- /~\ The ASCII | Robert E. Brose II | J. River, Inc. \ / Ribbon Campaign | http://www.jriver.com/~bob | 125 North First St X Help cure HTML Email | mailto:bob at jriver.com | Mpls, MN 55401 / \ | | 612-339-2521 x212 From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Jan 26 02:12:18 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 19:12:18 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1: ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO References: <20030125232112.30802.qmail@linux.jriver.com> Message-ID: <001101c2c4d7$f8f7d740$1501a8c0@anncons2> Hmmm, it may be a Python error. Perhaps your RPM version of Python doesn't load all the modules that you need. This has been a problem in the past with other distributions. See if there are other supplemental RPM's for Python - like a development RPM that has additional modules (like the StringIO module). Good Luck - Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jon Carnes" Cc: Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1: ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO > Thanks Jon, it doesn't look like that is the problem though. > I reinstalled with > > ./configure --with-python=/usr/bin/python --with-mail-gid=510 --with-cgi-gi d=16 --prefix=/home/mailman > > and it has the same error. I'm using qmail btw an some virtual domains > though this mailman is in the default place. > > The other mailman I have running in a different place for a different > domain (v 2.0.13) is still running fine even with the new python. > > When I rpm -Uvh to the new python it replaced the 1.5 version... > > root at kunk ppc]# /usr/bin/python -V > Python 2.2.2 > > There is no other python executable on the machine... > > mailman at kunk mailman-2.1]$ rpm -qa | grep python > rpm-python-4.0.3-1.03b > libxslt-python-1.0.15-1 > python-devel-2.2.2-7 > python-docs-2.2.2-7 > python-tools-2.2.2-7 > python-xmlrpc-1.5.1-7.x.3 > libxml2-python-2.4.19-1 > python-2.2.2-7 > > Thanks, > Bob > > User Jon Carnes says: > > I think this one has flown across the list a few times. Try adding a switch > > during the ./configure stage that points to the python2 executable. > > > > Good Luck - Jon Carnes > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 2:52 PM > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1: ImportError: No module named > > pythonlib.StringIO > > > > > > > updated installation from 2.0.13 > > > > > > Had to install new python, python-2.2.2-7 compiled from source RPM > > > after updating the required packages (i.e. db4). > > > > > > Any ideas on where the source of this problem lies? It's running > > > on YDL 2.3 (redhat 7.2 like ppc system) > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > > -- > /~\ The ASCII | Robert E. Brose II | J. River, Inc. > \ / Ribbon Campaign | http://www.jriver.com/~bob | 125 North First St > X Help cure HTML Email | mailto:bob at jriver.com | Mpls, MN 55401 > / \ | | 612-339-2521 x212 From marc at perkel.com Sun Jan 26 06:57:43 2003 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:57:43 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feedback on Mailman 2.1 Message-ID: <3E3378D7.7020609@perkel.com> Often the programmers and the development team overlook things in upgrading because they don't have the same experience as the end user. I want to point out such a case to you so you can fix 2.1. As a 2.0.11 user I did not need the list "mailman" and didn't have one. Thus when I upgraded it mostly worked. And it took a lot of work to figure out what I missed. Perhaps the install/upgrade should create this list or at least there should be some sort of error or better documentation. Just wanted to give you a heads up on this to improve this fine product. Also - there used to be a "post-only" patch that allowed members of the "post-only" list to post to all other lists. I very much need this feature in 2.1 so that I can upgrade the lists at the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Thanks in Advance Marc Perkel /root EFF From greg at gregwestin.com Sun Jan 26 18:26:15 2003 From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:26:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list of lists fodder for spammers? Message-ID: <460D8930-3153-11D7-999B-003065C03184@gregwestin.com> Hello Mailman folk, I work with a group that provides services to student groups at a university, and we're concerned that a lot of the lists have been picking up spam lately. The prime suspect, at this point, is Mailman's publishing of list names. If you can provide any input on how to alleviate this problem, please let me know. I'm copying below a message (slightly modified) from one of the more knowledgeable people I work with: --- My real concern with the behavior of the listinfo and admin scripts is that they publish the list of lists not only when invoked without arguments, but also if invoked on a non-existent list name. Because apache can be configured to reject outside of ourdomain.edu or wherever requests for "http://lists.ourdomain.edu/mailman/listinfo", while still allowing "http://lists.ourdomain.edu/mailman/listinfo/hcs-discuss", but what if spammers start generating random list names and sending, e.g., "http://lists.ourdomain.edu/mailman/listinfo/sp4m"? No way to stop such attacks except for Mailman to change its behavior (which the patched version on lists.ourdomain currently does). --- The patched version he's referring to simply denies access to /mailman/listinfo (but not to /mailman/listinfo/valid-list-name) to every request not from our domain. It's an ugly hack, but it's generally fine because students will almost always be working from a university computer, except perhaps when home on vacation. Thanks for any help. Please reply off-list if you're getting this via mailman-developers, as I'm not subscribed to that list. I am on mailman-users, though. Greg Westin -- http://www.gregwestin.com Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Jan 26 18:52:24 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 26 Jan 2003 12:52:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feedback on Mailman 2.1 In-Reply-To: <3E3378D7.7020609@perkel.com> References: <3E3378D7.7020609@perkel.com> Message-ID: <1043603549.2354.5.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 00:57, Marc Perkel wrote: > Often the programmers and the development team overlook things in upgrading > because they don't have the same experience as the end user. I want to point out > such a case to you so you can fix 2.1. > > As a 2.0.11 user I did not need the list "mailman" and didn't have one. Thus > when I upgraded it mostly worked. And it took a lot of work to figure out what I > missed. > > Perhaps the install/upgrade should create this list or at least there should be > some sort of error or better documentation. Just wanted to give you a heads up > on this to improve this fine product. > It might be a good idea to have mailman create the list, except where such an alias already exists... In any case the INSTALL file clearly instructs users to create the "mailman" mailing list: - Create a "site-wide" mailing list. This is the one that password reminders will appear to come from. Usually this should be the "mailman" mailing list, but if you need to change this, be sure to change the MAILMAN_SITE_LIST variable in mm_cfg.py (see below). % bin/newlist mailman Follow the prompts, and see the README file for more information. - You should then subscribe yourself to the mailman list. These instructions are unfortunately not mentioned directly in the UPGRADE file. Would having the above section repeated in the UPGRADE file have been enough in your situation? From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Jan 26 19:27:03 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 26 Jan 2003 13:27:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list of lists fodder for spammers? In-Reply-To: <460D8930-3153-11D7-999B-003065C03184@gregwestin.com> References: <460D8930-3153-11D7-999B-003065C03184@gregwestin.com> Message-ID: <1043605628.2354.18.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> I recommend that you front-end your mail servers with something like Spam Assassin. If you really want to be thorough you can use Mailscanner with an anti-virus application that runs on Linux. Mailscanner will then use the local anti-virus application to scan all messages for viruses and then pump the remaining messages through a SpamAssassin filter to look for Spam. Every place where I've installed SpamAssassin has fallen in love with it. It rapidly moves from being something nice to have, to being a necessity they can't live without. As for the list names being mined for spam, I've found that the biggest worry is the web-enabled archives. Mailman's features can help a little against spam. You can set your lists so that they only accept mail from either a list member or from a user on the local domain. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 12:26, Greg Westin wrote: > Hello Mailman folk, > > I work with a group that provides services to student groups at a > university, and we're concerned that a lot of the lists have been > picking up spam lately. The prime suspect, at this point, is Mailman's > publishing of list names. If you can provide any input on how to > alleviate this problem, please let me know. I'm copying below a > message (slightly modified) from one of the more knowledgeable people I > work with: > > --- > My real concern with the behavior of the > listinfo and admin scripts is that they publish the list of lists > not only when invoked without arguments, but also if invoked on a > non-existent list name. Because apache can be configured to reject > outside of ourdomain.edu or wherever requests for > "http://lists.ourdomain.edu/mailman/listinfo", > while still allowing > "http://lists.ourdomain.edu/mailman/listinfo/hcs-discuss", > but what if spammers start generating random list names and sending, > e.g., > "http://lists.ourdomain.edu/mailman/listinfo/sp4m"? No way to > stop such attacks except for Mailman to change its behavior (which > the patched version on lists.ourdomain currently does). > --- > > The patched version he's referring to simply denies access to > /mailman/listinfo (but not to /mailman/listinfo/valid-list-name) to > every request not from our domain. It's an ugly hack, but it's > generally fine because students will almost always be working from a > university computer, except perhaps when home on vacation. > > Thanks for any help. Please reply off-list if you're getting this via > mailman-developers, as I'm not subscribed to that list. I am on > mailman-users, though. > > Greg Westin > -- > http://www.gregwestin.com > Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From tneff at grassyhill.org Sun Jan 26 19:46:01 2003 From: tneff at grassyhill.org (Tom Neff) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:46:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating from 1.1 on one machine to 2.1 on another? Message-ID: <495918812.1043588761@[192.168.254.79]> I looked through all the docs and list archives for an answer to this, but didn't find one, so here goes. I have several large & active lists on Host A that's running Mailman 1.1. I have a new server, Host B, that's more powerful and the new home, etc, etc, and already has a few active lists running under the latest Mailman 2.1. I want to move the busy lists from Host A/1.1 over to Host B/2.1. I can't just do a list_members and mass add, because there's all sort of flags people have set. I tried running the 2.1 'dumpdb' against the 1.1 config.db and it does produce a readable listing, but I doubt it's importable straight to 2.1. Does anybody have experience with this? Any code that helps? Thanks. I get the Digest, so feel free to Cc or Bcc me on any reply if you want me to see it quicker. From greg at gregwestin.com Sun Jan 26 21:44:13 2003 From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:44:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list of lists fodder for spammers? In-Reply-To: <1043605628.2354.18.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: > As for the list names being mined for spam, I've found that the biggest > worry is the web-enabled archives. It doesn't seem very likely to me that spammers would find the list addresses in the archives. Obviously, the addresses of posters are there (these can be obscured in 2.1, right?), but I don't see the list addresses anywhere. Our problem with spam going to lists... obviously, we don't want individuals getting spam, either, but our current concern is about lists being spammed. > Mailman's features can help a little against spam. You can set your > lists so that they only accept mail from either a list member or from a > user on the local domain. That's an interesting idea... I assume we can set it to accept from list members and some given set of domains? That might be a very appropriate thing to implement. Thanks. Greg > Good Luck - Jon Carnes > > On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 12:26, Greg Westin wrote: >> Hello Mailman folk, >> >> I work with a group that provides services to student groups at a >> university, and we're concerned that a lot of the lists have been >> picking up spam lately. The prime suspect, at this point, is >> Mailman's >> publishing of list names. If you can provide any input on how to >> alleviate this problem, please let me know. I'm copying below a >> message (slightly modified) from one of the more knowledgeable people >> I >> work with: >> >> --- >> My real concern with the behavior of the >> listinfo and admin scripts is that they publish the list of lists >> not only when invoked without arguments, but also if invoked on a >> non-existent list name. Because apache can be configured to reject >> outside of ourdomain.edu or wherever requests for >> "http://lists.ourdomain.edu/mailman/listinfo", >> while still allowing >> "http://lists.ourdomain.edu/mailman/listinfo/hcs-discuss", >> but what if spammers start generating random list names and sending, >> e.g., >> "http://lists.ourdomain.edu/mailman/listinfo/sp4m"? No way to >> stop such attacks except for Mailman to change its behavior (which >> the patched version on lists.ourdomain currently does). >> --- >> >> The patched version he's referring to simply denies access to >> /mailman/listinfo (but not to /mailman/listinfo/valid-list-name) to >> every request not from our domain. It's an ugly hack, but it's >> generally fine because students will almost always be working from a >> university computer, except perhaps when home on vacation. >> >> Thanks for any help. Please reply off-list if you're getting this via >> mailman-developers, as I'm not subscribed to that list. I am on >> mailman-users, though. >> >> Greg Westin >> -- >> http://www.gregwestin.com >> Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> Searchable Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: greg at gregwestin.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > greg%40gregwestin.com > -- http://www.gregwestin.com Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php From kenneth at drosera.be Sun Jan 26 21:45:02 2003 From: kenneth at drosera.be (kenneth at drosera.be) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:45:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] increase digest number ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1043613902.3e3448ceea362@webmail.drosera.be> Hello all, I have MM2.1 installed in combination with qmail. The MM list that I am setting up right now is as a replacement for a majordomo one. One question still remains (and should be solved urgently, as I'm preparing everything to move my list once DNS updates are done) is: how do I set the digest number to 13 for this one list ? At the moment the active majordomo list is at Volume 5, digest #12, so it is only logical that I start my MM list at Volume 5 (already changed using admin web-interface) and to tell Mailman that the nect digest should be #13. Any options on how to do this ? Is sending a message and generating a digest (from the web interface) my only hope ? And if so, how do I remove these "filler" messages from the archives ? Which files to delete and where ? kind regards, Kenneth. From barry at python.org Sun Jan 26 22:56:38 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:56:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fix for cross-site scripting bug in Mailman 2.1.0 Message-ID: <15924.22934.672789.975426@gargle.gargle.HOWL> The cross-site scripting bug in Mailman 2.1.0 that was reported on Bugtraq has been fixed. My thanks to all who reported this (except unfortunately the person who posted it to bugtraq before contacting me first. :/ ). Special thanks to Tokio Kikuchi who worked out the essential fix. The patch is at: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103 (see the file xss-2.1.0-patch.txt) And the original Bugtraq announcement is here: http://online.securityfocus.com/archive/1/308154 This patch will be part of Mailman 2.1.1 which is nearing release. -Barry From friedrich28 at gmx.de Sun Jan 26 23:59:40 2003 From: friedrich28 at gmx.de (friedrich28 at gmx.de) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:59:40 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error: Unsupported map type: db Message-ID: <3E34766C.12620.D994243@localhost> Hello there, I have a problem that seems similar to the one described in http://www.mail- archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg10128.html My setup: Mac OS X 10.2.3, postfix installed via fink and the latest mailman 2.1 release. Executing the commands newlist, list_lists or rmlist gives me the error you can see below. But lists that I created seem to exist in spite of this error. I have tried everything in README.POSTFIX plus changing file perms on /data/aliases. None of it helped. Can anyone tell me what "unsupported map type: db" could mean? Error messages are: [ifs-server-hs:~/bin] mailman% rmlist listadmins Not removing archives. Reinvoke with -a to remove them. postalias: fatal: unsupported map type: db Traceback (most recent call last): File "rmlist", line 138, in ? main() File "rmlist", line 113, in main sys.modules[modname].remove(mlist) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 290, in remove _update_maps() File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 47, in _update_maps raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) RuntimeError: command failed: /sw/sbin/postalias /Users/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Friedrich From claw at kanga.nu Mon Jan 27 00:55:39 2003 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:55:39 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list of lists fodder for spammers? In-Reply-To: Message from Jon Carnes of "26 Jan 2003 13:27:03 EST." <1043605628.2354.18.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <460D8930-3153-11D7-999B-003065C03184@gregwestin.com> <1043605628.2354.18.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <23157.1043625339@kanga.nu> On 26 Jan 2003 13:27:03 -0500 Jon Carnes wrote: > I recommend that you front-end your mail servers with something like > Spam Assassin. If you really want to be thorough you can use > Mailscanner with an anti-virus application that runs on > Linux. Mailscanner will then use the local anti-virus application to > scan all messages for viruses and then pump the remaining messages > through a SpamAssassin filter to look for Spam. Go for TMDA. I've had it deployed here for near 8 months. Most of my lists receive ~40 SPAM messages per day, plus another ~20 virus messages -- and that's in addition to basic list mail. The -admin, and -owner addresses receive almost as many. Within those 8 months the number of either that have made their way thru TMDA either to Mailman or me (as -owner/-admin) can be counted on the fingers of two hands with fingers left to spare. Not bad for almost 8 months. Even better the number of valid messages which their posters have not bothered to confirm thru TMDA can be counted on the fingers of one hand. TMDA __is__ your friend. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From webperson at now.org Mon Jan 27 01:09:41 2003 From: webperson at now.org (NOW Website Coordinator) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:09:41 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman using up lots of RAM Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030126160403.03cf4680@now.org> We just created a list that we compiled from other lists, and I've sent one message to it, and our Sun Netra X1 with 512 meg RAM is having a very tough time. What really concerns me when I do a "top" is how much RAM the various mailman processes are taking up right now: PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME CPU COMMAND 533 mailman 4 59 0 68M 65M sleep 51:17 0.00% python 522 mailman 4 59 0 70M 67M sleep 40:23 0.00% python 529 mailman 4 59 0 71M 69M sleep 35:13 0.00% python 521 mailman 4 58 0 66M 12M sleep 1:26 0.00% python 524 mailman 4 59 0 19M 1728K sleep 0:04 0.00% python 517 mailman 3 52 0 5816K 360K sleep 0:00 0.00% mailmanctl 527 mailman 4 59 0 6904K 1552K sleep 0:00 0.00% python 519 mailman 4 59 0 6864K 1552K sleep 0:00 0.00% python Should they be taking up around 70 meg each? Is this normal, or is there something I can do to help this? Our Solaris machine was not responding several times today after I sent the message last night. Other things were definitely going on, but I'm wondering if it can handle the load or if I need another solution. We are using Postfix. Ideas? Thanks in advance. Sarah Stapleton-Gray -------------------------------------------- Web Site Coordinator National Organization for Women http://www.now.org From edg at greenberg.org Mon Jan 27 04:05:07 2003 From: edg at greenberg.org (Ed Greenberg) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 19:05:07 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught Bounce Notifications Message-ID: <104043703.1043607907@[192.168.1.9]> Since upgrading to 2.1, I've been receiving this "Uncaught Bounce Notification". It says: The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted from it. This mailing list has been configured to send all unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s). For more information see: http://mailman.listbase.net/mailman/admin/rovingfriends/bounce The attachment says: The RovingFriends at listbase.net mailing list has 4 request(s) waiting for your consideration at: http://mailman.listbase.net/mailman/admindb/rovingfriends Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. This notice of pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily. Pending posts: From: jp801 at iname.com on Mon Jan 20 18:46:02 2003 Cause: Too many recipients to the message From: jp801 at iname.com on Mon Jan 20 19:14:01 2003 Cause: Too many recipients to the message From: jp801 at iname.com on Mon Jan 20 19:15:02 2003 Cause: Too many recipients to the message From: aasiasoft at singnet.com.sg on Sat Jan 25 12:27:01 2003 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list There are no posts pending. Since there is no header info in the "bounce" I can't tell what's generating this. Any clue? From marcin at owsiany.pl Sat Jan 25 23:48:14 2003 From: marcin at owsiany.pl (Marcin Owsiany) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:48:14 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fiddling with pending messages In-Reply-To: <004601c2c4c1$643ac2e0$1501a8c0@anncons2> References: <20030124181201.GA19523@melina.ds14.agh.edu.pl> <004601c2c4c1$643ac2e0$1501a8c0@anncons2> Message-ID: <20030125224814.GA18797@melina.ds14.agh.edu.pl> On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 04:30:40PM -0600, Jon Carnes wrote: > It's in the FAQ's, > - delete the heldmsg-... files in ~mailman/data/.. (these are the actual > messages) > - in version 2.1 simply delete the request.db file > ~mailman/lists//.. > in version 2.0 copy a request.db from another list over the existing one > (or simply run the web-admindb at that point and it will auto-sense that the > heldmsg's have been deleted and then clean out the request.db file for you). I just wasn't sure if the .db file wouldn't become corrupt after I modify/delete the .txt files. But it seems OK. thanks again, Marcin -- Marcin Owsiany http://marcin.owsiany.pl/ GnuPG: 1024D/60F41216 FE67 DA2D 0ACA FC5E 3F75 D6F6 3A0D 8AA0 60F4 1216 "Every program in development at MIT expands until it can read mail." -- Unknown From gareth at za.uu.net Sun Jan 26 14:43:44 2003 From: gareth at za.uu.net (Gareth Hopkins) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:43:44 +0200 (SAST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Aliases in v2.1 -was- X-Loop In-Reply-To: <004201c2c4c0$c8cae420$1501a8c0@anncons2> Message-ID: <20030126154329.A79507-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> On Sat, 25 Jan 2003, Jon Carnes wrote: JC>Version 2.1 automatically creates the aliases in ~mailman/data/aliases so JC>you can include that in your MTA's alias checks and from that point on the JC>aliases are created automagically. Read the INSTALL file. What could be JC>better than that? Ah excellent, thanks --- Gareth Hopkins Server Operations UUNET South Africa (o) +27.21.658.8700 (f) +27.21.658.8552 (m) +27.82.929.6668 http://www.uunet.co.za 08600 UUNET (08600 88638) "The contents of this e-mail and any accompanying documentation is confidential and any use thereof, in whatever form, by anyone other than the addressee for whom it is intended, is strictly prohibited." From anarcat at anarcat.ath.cx Sun Jan 26 19:20:45 2003 From: anarcat at anarcat.ath.cx (The Anarcat) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:20:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't access private archives when changing default lang Message-ID: <20030126182045.GA36798@lenny.anarcat.ath.cx> Hi everybody! First of all, I'd like to say that Mailman is a really impressive collection of software. I can't believe how much functionality has been put into this, and I just needed to congratulate the authors for making this available for the world, and for free! That said, I think I found a bug. Recently, I changed the default language of two private lists to "fran?ais" (french) and suddenly, I couldn't login the private archives. And actually, the form in /mailman/private/inso-tech/ is completely unuseable. I have saved the resulting source in a file and I'm making it available for download: http://inso.ath.cx/~anarcat/mailman-bug.html Putting the language back to english completely solves the problem. I am readily available for debugging this very odd problem. I have good knowledge of a few programming languages (perl, C, PHP) but I don't know python very much, but I can try. So I am very willing to solve this as my users are mostly french-only. :) Thank you for your time and thanks again, A. -- Imagination is more important than knowledge - Albert Einstein From rshugg at kinetitech.com.au Mon Jan 27 07:32:32 2003 From: rshugg at kinetitech.com.au (Rob Shugg) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:32:32 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim -mailman faq - not working Message-ID: <200301270630.h0R6ULC06824@cts04.webone.com.au> hey, I am my wits end here. I have followed the faq to the letter on my debian woody box. this is the main problem: gymaware:~# exim -bt gymaware-users user "gymaware-users" for file existence test not found gymaware-users at gymaware.com is undeliverable: unknown local-part "gymaware-users" in domain "gymaware.com" gymaware:~# the relevant exim config bits are below, I'm not sure if its a debian thing but i don't have the MAILMAN_HOME/lists/$local_part/config.pck instead there is a file called ../../../config.db. is this relavent? I tried changing MAILMAN_HOME/lists/$local_part/config.pck to MAILMAN_HOME/lists/$local_part/config.db but that did nothing. What have i missed? rob MAILMAN_HOME=/var/lib/mailman MAILMAN_WRAP=MAILMAN_HOME/mail/wrapper . . . mailman_transport: driver = pipe command = MAILMAN_WRAP \ '${if def:local_part_suffix \ {${sg{$local_part_suffix}{-(\\w+)(\\+.*)?}{\$1}}} \ {post}}' \ $local_part current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME user = list <--- mailman running as user "list" group = list . . . mailman_director: driver = smartuser require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/$local_part/config.pck suffix_optional suffix = -bounces : -bounces+* : \ -confirm+* : -join : -leave : \ -owner : -request : -admin transport = mailman_transport From thomas at thosmos.com Mon Jan 27 08:02:19 2003 From: thomas at thosmos.com (Thomas Spellman) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:02:19 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin bounce notification In-Reply-To: <104043703.1043607907@[192.168.1.9]> References: <104043703.1043607907@[192.168.1.9]> Message-ID: <200301262302.19226.thomas@thosmos.com> Is there some way to turn on bounce notification to the admin in version 2.1b4? Thanks Thomas From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Mon Jan 27 08:29:34 2003 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 08:29:34 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error: Unsupported map type: db In-Reply-To: <3E34766C.12620.D994243@localhost> References: <3E34766C.12620.D994243@localhost> Message-ID: <20030127072934.GB9887@charite.de> * friedrich28 at gmx.de : > Can anyone tell me what "unsupported map type: db" could mean? postalias doesn't support the maptype db. postconf -m tells you the supported maptypes. Usually, the maptype must be hash (files with suffix .db) or btree (files also with suffix .db). There is no maptype db!! -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 The only truly safe "embedded system" is the system that has an axe embedded in it... From b.vergondy at approche.net Mon Jan 27 14:32:56 2003 From: b.vergondy at approche.net (b.vergondy at approche.net) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:32:56 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation and use mailman Message-ID: <00b001c2c608$9ade4090$0301a8c0@bartpc> Hello world !!! I am french my mail server is postfix... I come to install mailman and I does not understand. I can register without problem but when I wants to send a mall to the mailling list, this one arrives in limps of the list but is not to diffuse with the inscripts, who know this problem ? thank you for your assistance. From jdecarlo at mitre.org Mon Jan 27 15:21:31 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:21:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade from 2.0x to 2.1 In-Reply-To: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC97D@cobxchg.cobnet.org> References: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC97D@cobxchg.cobnet.org> Message-ID: <3E35406B.2060406@mitre.org> David, This will get your cron jobs reset. Remember, they are running as user 'mailman'. as root or mailman user, run: crontab -u mailman -r crontab -u mailman mailman_dir/cron/crontab.in The first command will remove all the mailman cron jobs. The second will put in just the 2.1 cron jobs. Note that your "mailman_dir" may be /var/local/mailman (or something else), instead of the default source install of /usr/local/mailman. Parker, David K wrote: > I'm getting errors generated after upgrading from 2.0x to 2.1. I think its > related to Cfron jobs being scheduled to run. Both installs of Mailman were > done via RPM. I'm guessing that the latest RPM didn't take care of the Cron > jobs? Any hints on cleaning this up? I've been through the UPGRADE doc. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From sam at rfc1149.net Mon Jan 27 15:24:43 2003 From: sam at rfc1149.net (Samuel Tardieu) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:24:43 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: installation and use mailman References: <00b001c2c608$9ade4090$0301a8c0@bartpc> Message-ID: <878yx66578.fsf@inf.enst.fr> >>>>> "b" == b vergondy writes: b> I come to install mailman and I does not understand. I can register b> without problem but when I wants to send a mall to the mailling b> list, this one arrives in limps of the list but is not to diffuse b> with the inscripts, who know this problem ? What does your mail server log contain? Sam -- Samuel Tardieu -- sam at rfc1149.net -- http://www.rfc1149.net/sam From marc at perkel.com Mon Jan 27 15:27:14 2003 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 06:27:14 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need a patch written for 2.1 for post-only access. Message-ID: <3E3541C2.9040009@perkel.com> I'm not a Python programmer but I need a patch written to add a feature that someone had written a patch for in version 2.0. The patch called a "post-only" patch allowed me to create a list called "post-only" and members of this list were allowed to post to all other lists. I am the systems administration for the Electronic Frontier Foundation (http://www.eff.org). We are currently running 2.0 with this patch. The reason we need it is because we are running about 65 internal lists and several of our members have multiple email addresses they post from. The burden of adding several hundred alieases and maintaining them across this many lists would be too much to deal with. I have upgraded to 2.1 on my own personal server and I feel that it would greatly benefit EFF to upgrade to 2.1. But - I can not do it until I have this patch. I am therefore asking that someone out there write this patch. If you write it - I will publicly thank you in our newsletter that goes out to about 30,000 of our members. I offer 15 minutes of fame, and - you'll be helping us get important work done. EFF relies heavilly on Mailman. Below is the code for the current patch for 2.0. It looks to me that doing this for 2.1 would be trivial for someone who knew what they were doing. I would REALLY appreciate it if someone were to volunteer to do this. Alternatively - I would be willing to pay someone out of my own pocket - and donate the code back to the public - if I can't find someone to do it for free. Thanks in Advance Marc Perkel /root EFF Here's the current 2.0 patch --- mailman-2.0beta5/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py.postonly Tue Aug 1 19:02:28 2000 +++ mailman-2.0beta5/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py Sat Aug 5 18:31:50 2000 @@ -43,6 +43,8 @@ from Mailman import Message from Mailman import mm_cfg from Mailman import Utils +from Mailman import MailList +from Mailman import Errors from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog @@ -104,6 +106,13 @@ +def CheckPostOnly (sender): + try: + m = MailList.MailList('post-only', lock=0) + return m.IsMember (sender) + except Errors.MMListError: + return 0 + def process(mlist, msg, msgdata): if msgdata.get('approved'): return @@ -141,7 +150,8 @@ if mlist.member_posting_only: posters = Utils.List2Dict(map(string.lower, mlist.posters)) if not mlist.IsMember(sender) and \ - not Utils.FindMatchingAddresses(sender, posters): + not Utils.FindMatchingAddresses(sender, posters) and \ + not CheckPostOnly(sender): # the sender is neither a member of the list, nor in the list of # explicitly approved posters hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, NonMemberPost) From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Jan 27 15:43:39 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 27 Jan 2003 09:43:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim -mailman faq - not working In-Reply-To: <200301270630.h0R6ULC06824@cts04.webone.com.au> References: <200301270630.h0R6ULC06824@cts04.webone.com.au> Message-ID: <1043678624.2313.4.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> I can't help you with the Exim integration but if you simply need to get things up and running then you might try simply creating the aliases and putting them someplace where Exim will see than as system aliases. What version of Mailman are you running? If version 2.1 then you can run ~mailman/bin/genaliases and that will create ~mailman/data/aliases which contains all the aliases needed for your existing Mailman lists (creation of new lists will also be automagically added). You can setup Exim to look in that file for some of its aliases. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 01:32, Rob Shugg wrote: > hey, > I am my wits end here. I have followed the faq to the letter on my debian > woody box. > > this is the main problem: > > gymaware:~# exim -bt gymaware-users > user "gymaware-users" for file existence test not found > gymaware-users at gymaware.com is undeliverable: > unknown local-part "gymaware-users" in domain "gymaware.com" > gymaware:~# > > the relevant exim config bits are below, I'm not sure if its a debian thing > but i don't have the MAILMAN_HOME/lists/$local_part/config.pck instead there > is a file called ../../../config.db. is this relavent? > I tried changing MAILMAN_HOME/lists/$local_part/config.pck to > MAILMAN_HOME/lists/$local_part/config.db but that did nothing. > > What have i missed? > > rob > > MAILMAN_HOME=/var/lib/mailman > MAILMAN_WRAP=MAILMAN_HOME/mail/wrapper > . > . > . > mailman_transport: > driver = pipe > command = MAILMAN_WRAP \ > '${if def:local_part_suffix \ > {${sg{$local_part_suffix}{-(\\w+)(\\+.*)?}{\$1}}} \ > {post}}' \ > $local_part > current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME > home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME > user = list <--- mailman running as user "list" > group = list > . > . > . > mailman_director: > driver = smartuser > require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/$local_part/config.pck > suffix_optional > suffix = -bounces : -bounces+* : \ > -confirm+* : -join : -leave : \ > -owner : -request : -admin > transport = mailman_transport > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Jan 27 15:47:48 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 27 Jan 2003 09:47:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin bounce notification In-Reply-To: <200301262302.19226.thomas@thosmos.com> References: <104043703.1043607907@[192.168.1.9]> <200301262302.19226.thomas@thosmos.com> Message-ID: <1043678872.2313.7.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> In v2.1.0 final you would go to the Web-admin and then to Bounce options. By default all the bounces are sent to the Admins, you should feel free to just say no to bounces. On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 02:02, Thomas Spellman wrote: > Is there some way to turn on bounce notification to the admin in version > 2.1b4? > > Thanks > > Thomas > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Jan 27 15:58:28 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 27 Jan 2003 09:58:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: installation and use mailman In-Reply-To: <878yx66578.fsf@inf.enst.fr> References: <00b001c2c608$9ade4090$0301a8c0@bartpc> <878yx66578.fsf@inf.enst.fr> Message-ID: <1043679511.2313.10.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 09:24, Samuel Tardieu wrote: > >>>>> "b" == b vergondy writes: > > b> I come to install mailman and I does not understand. I can register > b> without problem but when I wants to send a mall to the mailling > b> list, this one arrives in limps of the list but is not to diffuse > b> with the inscripts, who know this problem ? > > What does your mail server log contain? > > Sam > -- ... and what version of Mailman are you using? If you are using version 2.0.x then read the FAQ #3.14 Jon Carnes From johnslists at mcswartz.org Mon Jan 27 16:08:29 2003 From: johnslists at mcswartz.org (John Swartzentruber) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:08:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim -mailman faq - not working In-Reply-To: <1043678624.2313.4.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <200301271508.h0RF8Tx17033@arthur.swartz.primatech.com> On 27 Jan 2003 09:43:39 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: >What version of Mailman are you running? If version 2.1 then you can >run ~mailman/bin/genaliases and that will create ~mailman/data/aliases >which contains all the aliases needed for your existing Mailman lists >(creation of new lists will also be automagically added). I'm confused by this. When I run bin/genaliases, it shows all of the aliases (which I can redirect to a file), but it doesn't automatically create or update any files in /usr/local/mailman/data/ My system is working fine (I currently just added the aliases to sendmail's /etc/aliases file), but I'm wondering if something is wrong or if I am just misunderstanding something. I have RedHat 7.3, Sendmail, and Mailman 2.1 installed from source. Also a previous message mentioned that this information was in the INSTALL file, but I didn't see anything there. From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Jan 27 16:29:05 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 27 Jan 2003 10:29:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need a patch written for 2.1 for post-only access. In-Reply-To: <3E3541C2.9040009@perkel.com> References: <3E3541C2.9040009@perkel.com> Message-ID: <1043681349.2313.15.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> The functionality was moved from the Hold.py module over to the Moderate.py module. From there it is almost identical. I applied the old patch by hand to that module and I'm testing it now. Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 09:27, Marc Perkel wrote: > I'm not a Python programmer but I need a patch written to add a feature that > someone had written a patch for in version 2.0. > > The patch called a "post-only" patch allowed me to create a list called > "post-only" and members of this list were allowed to post to all other lists. > > I am the systems administration for the Electronic Frontier Foundation > (http://www.eff.org). We are currently running 2.0 with this patch. The reason > we need it is because we are running about 65 internal lists and several of our > members have multiple email addresses they post from. The burden of adding > several hundred alieases and maintaining them across this many lists would be > too much to deal with. I have upgraded to 2.1 on my own personal server and I > feel that it would greatly benefit EFF to upgrade to 2.1. But - I can not do it > until I have this patch. > > I am therefore asking that someone out there write this patch. If you write it - > I will publicly thank you in our newsletter that goes out to about 30,000 of our > members. I offer 15 minutes of fame, and - you'll be helping us get important > work done. EFF relies heavilly on Mailman. > > Below is the code for the current patch for 2.0. It looks to me that doing this > for 2.1 would be trivial for someone who knew what they were doing. I would > REALLY appreciate it if someone were to volunteer to do this. Alternatively - I > would be willing to pay someone out of my own pocket - and donate the code back > to the public - if I can't find someone to do it for free. > > Thanks in Advance > > Marc Perkel > /root > EFF > > Here's the current 2.0 patch > > --- mailman-2.0beta5/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py.postonly Tue Aug 1 19:02:28 2000 > +++ mailman-2.0beta5/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py Sat Aug 5 18:31:50 2000 > @@ -43,6 +43,8 @@ > from Mailman import Message > from Mailman import mm_cfg > from Mailman import Utils > +from Mailman import MailList > +from Mailman import Errors > from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog > > > @@ -104,6 +106,13 @@ > > > > +def CheckPostOnly (sender): > + try: > + m = MailList.MailList('post-only', lock=0) > + return m.IsMember (sender) > + except Errors.MMListError: > + return 0 > + > def process(mlist, msg, msgdata): > if msgdata.get('approved'): > return > @@ -141,7 +150,8 @@ > if mlist.member_posting_only: > posters = Utils.List2Dict(map(string.lower, mlist.posters)) > if not mlist.IsMember(sender) and \ > - not Utils.FindMatchingAddresses(sender, posters): > + not Utils.FindMatchingAddresses(sender, posters) and \ > + not CheckPostOnly(sender): > # the sender is neither a member of the list, nor in the list of > # explicitly approved posters > hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, NonMemberPost) > > From kevinc at seaplace.org Mon Jan 27 16:39:25 2003 From: kevinc at seaplace.org (Kevin Carpenter) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:39:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1/Gentoo issue? Message-ID: <20030127153926.4240624CD@mail.seaplace.org> Hi all - Yesterday I bravely went someplace I been hesitant to go: I converted my last system over to Gentoo 1.4. This system handles all the e-mail for my domain, DNS services, Web services, mailman, etc. It was previously a RedHat 7.1 environment using Mailman 2.0.5 with Sendmail. Now its Gentoo 1.4, Mainman 2.1, and Postfix based. Well, at least that is its current state. Postfix is receiving and sending e-mail. Mailman is accepting messages from postfix. I can use the /bin utilities to see all my list and their membership. Whats not happening is any mail list distributions. I've been up ALL weekend with this SQL worm thing, am rather tired, and would really like to get this working. Is there is anything obvious I'm missing? Thanks for you kindness. Kevin C. From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Jan 27 17:52:18 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 27 Jan 2003 11:52:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need a patch written for 2.1 for post-only access. In-Reply-To: <1043681349.2313.15.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <3E3541C2.9040009@perkel.com> <1043681349.2313.15.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <1043686342.2309.20.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Hmmm, MailList.py has changed too. I need to find (or rewrite) a new function for "IsMember". Shouldn't be too hard, but I've got to do some actual work for awhile... I'll get back to it tonight. On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 10:29, Jon Carnes wrote: > The functionality was moved from the Hold.py module over to the > Moderate.py module. From there it is almost identical. > > I applied the old patch by hand to that module and I'm testing it now. > > Jon Carnes > > > + m = MailList.MailList('post-only', lock=0) > > + return m.IsMember (sender) From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Mon Jan 27 18:45:35 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:45:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1/Gentoo issue? In-Reply-To: <20030127153926.4240624CD@mail.seaplace.org>; from kevinc@seaplace.org on Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 09:39:25AM -0600 References: <20030127153926.4240624CD@mail.seaplace.org> Message-ID: <20030127124535.B10561@dogpound.vnet.net> * Kevin Carpenter (kevinc at seaplace.org) wrote: > Whats not happening is any mail list distributions. > > I've been up ALL weekend with this SQL worm thing, am rather tired, and would > really like to get this working. Is there is anything obvious I'm missing? First question would be is your mailmanctl running? # /dirtomailman2/bin/mailmanctl start If so, what do your logs tell you? logs/error logs/qrunner Thoes are good ones to start with. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Bullets speak louder than reason. From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Mon Jan 27 19:34:26 2003 From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:34:26 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer? Message-ID: <69308F5141509946826E3347F3A711E8386A@jiggaman.raw-talent.hopto.org> Does anyone on this list have MS Exchange as a relay computer? I was thinking that local DNS speeds up email delivery, and MS Exchange, requires local DNS to function, so if I relayed all my mailman email via my MS Exchange box, it should deliver the lot pretty quick, right? From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Mon Jan 27 20:30:21 2003 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:30:21 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer? In-Reply-To: <69308F5141509946826E3347F3A711E8386A@jiggaman.raw-talent.hopto.org> References: <69308F5141509946826E3347F3A711E8386A@jiggaman.raw-talent.hopto.org> Message-ID: <20030127193021.GB5179@charite.de> * Angel Gabriel : > Does anyone on this list have MS Exchange as a relay computer? I was > thinking that local DNS speeds up email delivery, and MS Exchange, requires > local DNS to function, so if I relayed all my mailman email via my MS > Exchange box, it should deliver the lot pretty quick, right? What kind of insane idea is that? Eliminate the middleman and send directyl! Exchange is a piss-poor piece of junk. I mean that thing can't even speak ESMTP properly and has not proper queue management. -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 Why you can't find your system administrators: (S)he's out buying some caffeine. From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Jan 27 20:43:59 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 27 Jan 2003 14:43:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need a patch written for 2.1 for post-only access. In-Reply-To: <1043686342.2309.20.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <3E3541C2.9040009@perkel.com> <1043681349.2313.15.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <1043686342.2309.20.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <1043696648.2313.82.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Okay. I got it working... (I have to attach it as a file since my kids just modified my system and disabled cut and paste... :-) The "IsMember function was moved to the module MemberAdaptor and renamed "isMember". The Moderate.py module is very well written and makes it quite easy to add checks for passing mail into a moderated list. I've only done moderate checking on it, but it worked fine for my local testing. Any feedback is welcome - Jon Carnes === On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 11:52, Jon Carnes wrote: > Hmmm, MailList.py has changed too. I need to find (or rewrite) a new > function for "IsMember". Shouldn't be too hard, but I've got to do some > actual work for awhile... I'll get back to it tonight. > > On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 10:29, Jon Carnes wrote: > > The functionality was moved from the Hold.py module over to the > > Moderate.py module. From there it is almost identical. > > > > I applied the old patch by hand to that module and I'm testing it now. > > > > Jon Carnes > > > > > + m = MailList.MailList('post-only', lock=0) > > > + return m.IsMember (sender) > > From tmaddox at thereinc.com Mon Jan 27 21:19:15 2003 From: tmaddox at thereinc.com (Tom Maddox) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:19:15 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web list creation Message-ID: So, according to this post http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg03976.html, Mailman 2.1 is supposed to support completely automated list creation through the web, which I assume includes creating the aliases. The problem is that aliases don't get created. I checked the perms on the aliases and aliases.db files, and they're 664. My MTA is sendmail, FWIW. This is mainly an annoyance to my users, since I can easily create new aliases with a "genaliases | grep >> ~/aliases," but it would be nice to have the web interface work. Thanks, Tom From alex at phred.org Mon Jan 27 21:59:03 2003 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:59:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer? In-Reply-To: <69308F5141509946826E3347F3A711E8386A@jiggaman.raw-talent.hopto.org> Message-ID: <20030127125826.C29271-100000@phred.org> On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Angel Gabriel wrote: > Does anyone on this list have MS Exchange as a relay computer? I was > thinking that local DNS speeds up email delivery, and MS Exchange, requires > local DNS to function, so if I relayed all my mailman email via my MS > Exchange box, it should deliver the lot pretty quick, right? I relay through a system running Exchange 2000. It works fine. alex From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Mon Jan 27 22:10:22 2003 From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:10:22 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer? Message-ID: <69308F5141509946826E3347F3A711E83876@jiggaman.raw-talent.hopto.org> -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+badmangabriel=lycos.co.uk at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+badmangabriel=lycos.co.uk at python.org]On Behalf Of Ralf Hildebrandt Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 7:30 PM To: Angel Gabriel Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer? * Angel Gabriel : > Does anyone on this list have MS Exchange as a relay computer? I was > thinking that local DNS speeds up email delivery, and MS Exchange, requires > local DNS to function, so if I relayed all my mailman email via my MS > Exchange box, it should deliver the lot pretty quick, right? What kind of insane idea is that? Eliminate the middleman and send directyl! Exchange is a piss-poor piece of junk. I mean that thing can't even speak ESMTP properly and has not proper queue management Angel Says: The reason I was going to do this, is because I don't really want to have two DNS servers on the same subnet, and email being sent by a machine with local DNS, is going to send faster that a machine that has to wait for DNS queries to be answered. -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 Why you can't find your system administrators: (S)he's out buying some caffeine. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/badmangabriel%40lyc os.co.uk From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Jan 27 22:18:56 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 27 Jan 2003 16:18:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] patch written for 2.1 for post-only access. In-Reply-To: <1043696648.2313.82.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <3E3541C2.9040009@perkel.com> <1043681349.2313.15.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <1043686342.2309.20.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <1043696648.2313.82.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <1043702339.1610.8.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 14:43, Jon Carnes wrote: > Okay. I got it working... > > (I have to attach it as a file since my kids just modified my system and > disabled cut and paste... :-) > > The "IsMember function was moved to the module MemberAdaptor and renamed > "isMember". > > The Moderate.py module is very well written and makes it quite easy to > add checks for passing mail into a moderated list. > > I've only done moderate checking on it, but it worked fine for my local > testing. > > Any feedback is welcome - Jon Carnes > === Looks like the attachment didn't go through on the list, so here is the patch (I fixed my cut/paste problem - so I'm still smarter than the kids, but just barely!) ====== *** jonc.Moderate.py Mon Jan 27 10:23:03 2003 --- Moderate.py Mon Jan 27 13:19:33 2003 *************** *** 25,28 **** --- 25,30 ---- from Mailman import Utils from Mailman import Message + from Mailman import MailList + from Mailman import MemberAdaptor from Mailman import Errors from Mailman.i18n import _ *************** *** 45,48 **** --- 47,59 ---- ^L + def CheckPostOnly(sender): + try: + m = MailList.MailList('post-only', lock=0) + return m.isMember(sender) + except Errors.MMListError: + return 0 + + + ^L def process(mlist, msg, msgdata): if msgdata.get('approved'): *************** *** 89,92 **** --- 100,105 ---- # From here on out, we're dealing with non-members. if matches_p(sender, mlist.accept_these_nonmembers): + return + if CheckPostOnly(sender): return if matches_p(sender, mlist.hold_these_nonmembers): From lists at monkeez.co.uk Mon Jan 27 22:19:24 2003 From: lists at monkeez.co.uk (Adam) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:19:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message-ID: <1043702364.3e35a25cf1f02@webmail.monkeez.co.uk> I've been trying to get through these problems on my own for a while - using the searchable mailling list (thanks for that guys). However, I've still got problems. I'm using mandrake 9 with mailman installed from rpm. I seemed to have managed to get sendmail working (with appropriate aliases) but it doesn't have NEWDB installed (I've config'ed the aliases file myself). The first problem was my confirmation mails bouncing back to the user with Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid 78. (Reconfigure to take 78?) 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2 But I changed the gid of mailnull to 65534 and the bouncing stopped. However, now, I get on my mailman server, messages to postmaster: The original message was received at Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:02:06 GMT from localhost with id h0RL26TX025349 ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to deepthought.34sp.com.: >>> DATA <<< 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1) 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown <<< 503 RCPT first (#5.5.1) Can anyone guide me through this? I'd appreciate some helpful advice here - thanks very much in advance. Adam -------------------------------- GPG public key:- www.monkeez.co.uk/public_key.asc From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Jan 27 22:28:53 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 27 Jan 2003 16:28:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim -mailman faq - not working In-Reply-To: <200301271508.h0RF8Tx17033@arthur.swartz.primatech.com> References: <200301271508.h0RF8Tx17033@arthur.swartz.primatech.com> Message-ID: <1043702937.1610.16.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> ~mailman/bin/genaliases in mentioned in: NEWS UPGRADING README.POSTFIX Sorry, it looks like the genaliases script is designed specifically to be used with Postfix... Hmmm. Seems like it could easily be made MTA neutral, and still be able to link with Postfix. Jon On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 10:08, John Swartzentruber wrote: > On 27 Jan 2003 09:43:39 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: > > >What version of Mailman are you running? If version 2.1 then you can > >run ~mailman/bin/genaliases and that will create ~mailman/data/aliases > >which contains all the aliases needed for your existing Mailman lists > >(creation of new lists will also be automagically added). > > I'm confused by this. When I run bin/genaliases, it shows all of the > aliases (which I can redirect to a file), but it doesn't automatically > create or update any files in /usr/local/mailman/data/ > > My system is working fine (I currently just added the aliases to > sendmail's /etc/aliases file), but I'm wondering if something is wrong > or if I am just misunderstanding something. I have RedHat 7.3, > Sendmail, and Mailman 2.1 installed from source. > > Also a previous message mentioned that this information was in the > INSTALL file, but I didn't see anything there. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From webperson at now.org Mon Jan 27 22:29:09 2003 From: webperson at now.org (NOW Website Coordinator) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:29:09 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] more details on Mailman taking up most of my RAM (help still needed) Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030127132338.00e1a980@now.org> Here are some more details: I am not sending any mail out right now on this announce only list, unless it's still working on a message from Saturday night (not sure how to tell if it is). Our traffic is very high, though, with lots of people subscribing or unsubscribing to the lists. I'm using Mailman 2.1, Python 2.2.1 (#1, Sep 28 2002, 10:00:33), SunOS 5.8, Postfix (a recent version) I just disabled dns lookups on Postfix, restarted it, and restarted mailmanctl. But now mailman is back to hogging all the memory already! 22566 mailman 4 58 0 43M 42M sleep 0:19 20.26% python 22572 mailman 4 0 0 58M 57M run 0:21 19.08% python 22570 mailman 4 1 0 43M 42M run 0:09 14.36% python 22567 mailman 4 59 0 43M 42M sleep 0:14 3.09% python 22571 mailman 1 58 0 2320K 1536K cpu 0:00 0.31% top 22569 mailman 4 59 0 6904K 5856K sleep 0:00 0.02% python 22565 mailman 4 59 0 6864K 5816K sleep 0:00 0.02% python 22568 mailman 4 59 0 6864K 5816K sleep 0:00 0.02% python 22564 mailman 4 52 0 5816K 2552K sleep 0:00 0.00% mailmanctl It took it only about a minute to get that far. Definitely can send mail from the machine, it's just crashing my web server when it runs out of memory. Postfix logs don't show anything unusual. Mailman log has this: [----- Mailman Version: 2.1 -----] admin(21341): [----- Traceback ------] admin(21341): Traceback (most recent call last): admin(21341): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main admin(21341): main() admin(21341): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 98, in main admin(21341): content = Pending.confirm(cookie, expunge=0) admin(21341): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 109, in confirm admin(21341): lock.unlock() admin(21341): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 316, in unlock admin(21341): raise NotLockedError admin(21341): NotLockedError admin(21341): [----- Python Information -----] Thanks for your help! This is really wreaking havoc. And now it's hogging even more memory: PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME CPU COMMAND 22572 mailman 4 58 0 64M 63M sleep 1:09 3.83% python 22570 mailman 4 58 0 66M 65M sleep 0:38 2.91% python 22567 mailman 4 58 0 64M 63M sleep 0:44 1.20% python 22672 mailman 1 58 0 2288K 1528K cpu 0:00 0.18% top 22468 mailman 1 58 0 1472K 1096K sleep 0:00 0.00% csh 22566 mailman 4 58 0 44M 41M sleep 0:24 0.00% python 22564 mailman 3 52 0 5808K 2488K sleep 0:00 0.00% mailmanctl 22569 mailman 4 59 0 6904K 5712K sleep 0:00 0.00% python 22568 mailman 4 59 0 6864K 5656K sleep 0:00 0.00% python 22565 mailman 4 59 0 6864K 5616K sleep 0:00 0.00% python Sarah Stapleton-Gray -------------------------------------------- Web Site Coordinator National Organization for Women http://www.now.org From barry at python.org Mon Jan 27 22:35:58 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:35:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to delete messages from private archives References: <006801c2c4c3$b571dc00$1501a8c0@anncons2> Message-ID: <15925.42558.976893.470843@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "JP" == Jim Popovitch writes: JP> I too use HTDig, but this doesn't really help with external JP> search engines or deep-linkers. The best solution, is JP> MHonarc, but I keep holding out for Pipermail to catchup. ;) Wanna help? :) I keep looking for motivated hackers to help work on Pipermail. -Barry From richard at richardplotkin.com Mon Jan 27 22:49:29 2003 From: richard at richardplotkin.com (Richard Plotkin) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:49:29 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] interface outside of the mailman directory Message-ID: <3653DA68-3241-11D7-BB31-0003937177FE@richardplotkin.com> Hi list, I was wondering if you could help me solve a development problem. I'm trying to incorporate my Mailman lists into a dynamic website, and so I want to be able to lay out the interface in my own special way, but still have the pages call the info from Mailman. I know I could normally adjust the Mailman templates to get them to look the way I want, but in this case that will not work. Is there a way to interface with mailman, cutting and pasting the source of its forms to other directories on my web server? Thanks, Richard From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 28 00:58:30 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 27 Jan 2003 18:58:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] interface outside of the mailman directory In-Reply-To: <3653DA68-3241-11D7-BB31-0003937177FE@richardplotkin.com> References: <3653DA68-3241-11D7-BB31-0003937177FE@richardplotkin.com> Message-ID: <1043711918.1614.41.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Have you looked at using the built in scripts included in ~mailman/bin/..? Even if you don't want to call them directly, you can still use them as a template for CGI's that you want to build. You can setup a bash shell that runs as user "mailman" when executed, and then use that shell to execute any of the scripts via any method you like. I've used it to enable a lot of functionality via email but the same thing works for CGI's. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 16:49, Richard Plotkin wrote: > Hi list, > > I was wondering if you could help me solve a development problem. I'm > trying to incorporate my Mailman lists into a dynamic website, and so I > want to be able to lay out the interface in my own special way, but > still have the pages call the info from Mailman. I know I could > normally adjust the Mailman templates to get them to look the way I > want, but in this case that will not work. Is there a way to interface > with mailman, cutting and pasting the source of its forms to other > directories on my web server? > > Thanks, > Richard > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From barry at python.org Tue Jan 28 01:12:25 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:12:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't access private archives when changing default lang References: <20030126182045.GA36798@lenny.anarcat.ath.cx> Message-ID: <15925.51945.141734.260620@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "TA" == The Anarcat writes: TA> That said, I think I found a bug. Recently, I changed the TA> default language of two private lists to "fran?ais" (french) TA> and suddenly, I couldn't login the private archives. And TA> actually, the form in /mailman/private/inso-tech/ is TA> completely unuseable. This was caused by a bug in the French template private.html. Fixed in CVS. -Barry From barry at python.org Tue Jan 28 01:17:38 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:17:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] X-Loop References: <34695B8C-2F62-11D7-B4DF-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> <20030124103401.E46974-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> Message-ID: <15925.52258.33871.195771@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "GH" == Gareth Hopkins writes: GH> So is there anywhere I can add this then in mailman or change GH> the X-Beenthere settings? I still don't quite understand what you're trying to accomplish. I wouldn't recommend changing the X-BeenThere header -- this is an internal header that Mailman uses to prevent loops. -Barry From barry at python.org Tue Jan 28 01:19:44 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:19:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fiddling with pending messages References: <20030124181201.GA19523@melina.ds14.agh.edu.pl> <004601c2c4c1$643ac2e0$1501a8c0@anncons2> <20030125224814.GA18797@melina.ds14.agh.edu.pl> Message-ID: <15925.52384.60912.8287@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "MO" == Marcin Owsiany writes: MO> I just wasn't sure if the .db file wouldn't become corrupt MO> after I modify/delete the .txt files. But it seems OK. Yes, Mailman 2.1 will log a message about missing .txt files and then just evict those entries from the .db file. So it'll be robust against doing things that way. -Barry From barry at python.org Tue Jan 28 01:25:06 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:25:06 -0500 Subject: Using mailman without passwords WAS Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman References: <000301c2c365$1b82b7e0$9865fea9@nt2000.ahugedeal.com> <001c01c2c4be$35d6dfe0$1501a8c0@anncons2> <20030125171152.A17048@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: <15925.52706.45630.94338@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "MD" == Matthew Davis writes: MD> Now my 2 disclaimers. 1. Do with this information as you see MD> fit, its not the recommended way to setup a list. 2. Take it MD> for what its worth, it was free. Actually, it's a fine way to run your lists, because your members still have to perform the opt-in-with-confirmation step, but they don't need to remember their passwords to either subscribe or unsubscribe. Yes, they'll need them to change their options, but most users will rarely need to do that, and in 2.1, they can simply log into their options page and get a password reminder when they need it (you could disable montly passwords for the list). -Barry From jimpop at rocketship.com Tue Jan 28 01:23:51 2003 From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:23:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to delete messages from private archives In-Reply-To: <15925.42558.976893.470843@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: Actually my suggestion would be to remove Pipermail (and not insert MHonarc, Hypermail, etc.) MM doesn't include a search engine, why a mail archive? IMHO MM should focus on what it already does very very well. -Jim P. > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry A. Warsaw [mailto:barry at python.org] > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 4:36 PM > > >>>>> "JP" == Jim Popovitch writes: > > JP> I too use HTDig, but this doesn't really help with external > JP> search engines or deep-linkers. The best solution, is > JP> MHonarc, but I keep holding out for Pipermail to catchup. ;) > > Wanna help? :) I keep looking for motivated hackers to help work on > Pipermail. > > -Barry > From barry at python.org Tue Jan 28 01:30:45 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:30:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't access private archives when changing default lang References: <20030126182045.GA36798@lenny.anarcat.ath.cx> <15925.51945.141734.260620@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20030128001642.GR39638@lenny.anarcat.ath.cx> Message-ID: <15925.53045.944389.190402@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "TA" == The Anarcat writes: TA> Many thanks! TA> That is great.. Pointers for a patch? http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mailman/mailman/templates/fr/private.html.diff?r1=text&tr1=2.3&r2=text&tr2=2.2&diff_format=h Cheers, -Barry From barry at python.org Tue Jan 28 01:33:21 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:33:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to delete messages from private archives References: <15925.42558.976893.470843@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <15925.53201.893997.84422@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "JP" == Jim Popovitch writes: JP> Actually my suggestion would be to remove Pipermail (and not JP> insert MHonarc, Hypermail, etc.) MM doesn't include a search JP> engine, why a mail archive? IMHO MM should focus on what it JP> already does very very well. Pipermail isn't horrible any more, and I don't think it would be /that/ much work to implement a simple search engine. Simplicity is the key here -- I'd love a basically functional search feature that works out of the box. It needs to be modular so that more advanced sites can swap in a different search engine (e.g. htdig), just like they now can do with the archiver. I don't think we buy much by /removing/ functionality. -Barry From kmastin at beechtree.ca Tue Jan 28 02:22:34 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:22:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] text only in attachment -Noob.Q Message-ID: This is my first mailman implmentation. System: redhat-7.3 smtp: postfix-1.1.7-2 imapd: courier-imap-1.6.2-1.7.3 pop3d: none webmail: squirrelmail-1.2.10 list manager: mailman-2.1 httpd: apache-1.3.27-2 php: php-4.1.2-7.3.6 python: python-1.5.2-38; python2-2.2.2-3.7.3 All users access mail via the squirrelmail interface. I sent a test message to the list. The message got sent and delivered as expected. However, the test of the message is an attachment, it does not appear in the text area. A look through the more recent months of the archives didn't show any similar problems. Any ideas? TIA Keith Mastin From lagosr at hotmail.com Tue Jan 28 02:23:12 2003 From: lagosr at hotmail.com (Rodrigo Lagos) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:23:12 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] create a new list (web interface) + qmail aliases Message-ID: Hi all, I have Mailman 2.1 installed running with qmail, i have been using the Mailman+qmail configuration for a while, but just now making the upgrade to MM 2.1. I was very happy to see the "create a new mailing list" in the admin page. I have it all working with virtual domains, and its great. I do have one question. Is there a way to use the create cgi to also kick off creation of .qmail aliases for that list, maybe from create.py? i have a small shell script that creates the aliases, but don't know how to kick off the script after the list has been created from the same process. Anyone done this ?? ideas? thanks --rodrigo _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From kmastin at beechtree.ca Tue Jan 28 02:53:19 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:53:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives page not found (Noob.Q) Message-ID: Hello again. Testing the mailman system, I also found that I cannot find the archives (400 Bad Request). The system is looking for domain.tld/pipermail/members Here is the relevnet section of the httpd.conf file: ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/web/mlib/data/mailman/cgi-bin/" AllowOverride None Options None Order allow,deny Allow from all Alias /pipermail/ "/web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/public/" Options FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all [root at mail mailman]# ll /web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/ total 8 drwxrws--- 6 apache mailman 4096 Jan 27 17:39 private drwxrwsr-x 2 apache mailman 4096 Jan 27 17:39 public Any ideas? TIA again From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 28 02:48:52 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 27 Jan 2003 20:48:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bundle Htdig with Pipermail? -was- How to delete messages from private archives In-Reply-To: <15925.53201.893997.84422@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <15925.42558.976893.470843@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <15925.53201.893997.84422@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <1043718537.1610.70.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> I agree that having Pipermail install "out of the box" with Mailman is a definite plus. Htdig is rapidly becoming a very popular add-on to those dynamic Duo (helped along by the great work that Richard Barrett does in keeping the patches up-to-date!). Is there a reason you wouldn't want to simply include Htdig as part of the "out of the box" install? Are you thinking that we can port ht://dig over to Python and then improve it performance? :-) On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 19:33, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > > >>>>> "JP" == Jim Popovitch writes: > > JP> Actually my suggestion would be to remove Pipermail (and not > JP> insert MHonarc, Hypermail, etc.) MM doesn't include a search > JP> engine, why a mail archive? IMHO MM should focus on what it > JP> already does very very well. > > Pipermail isn't horrible any more, and I don't think it would be > /that/ much work to implement a simple search engine. Simplicity is > the key here -- I'd love a basically functional search feature that > works out of the box. It needs to be modular so that more advanced > sites can swap in a different search engine (e.g. htdig), just like > they now can do with the archiver. > > I don't think we buy much by /removing/ functionality. > > -Barry From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 28 02:58:55 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 27 Jan 2003 20:58:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] text only in attachment -Noob.Q In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1043719139.1614.79.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Can you include a sample email to the list? I'm curious if the problem is the Content Filter (look in the web-admin). Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 20:22, Keith Mastin wrote: > This is my first mailman implmentation. > System: redhat-7.3 > smtp: postfix-1.1.7-2 > imapd: courier-imap-1.6.2-1.7.3 > pop3d: none > webmail: squirrelmail-1.2.10 > list manager: mailman-2.1 > httpd: apache-1.3.27-2 > php: php-4.1.2-7.3.6 > python: python-1.5.2-38; python2-2.2.2-3.7.3 > > All users access mail via the squirrelmail interface. > > I sent a test message to the list. The message got sent and delivered as > expected. However, the test of the message is an attachment, it does not > appear in the text area. > > A look through the more recent months of the archives didn't show any > similar problems. > > Any ideas? > TIA > > Keith Mastin > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From bob at nleaudio.com Tue Jan 28 03:10:27 2003 From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:10:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030128021027.M54966@nleaudio.com> I second the recommendation NOT to use Exchange as your mail transport agent. If you've got a DNS server (even your MS box, shiver me timbers) that's only a couple milliseconds away, you're not going to see any noticeable performance hit, especially if it's on your local lan. I've found that by far the limiting factor is your connection to the internet. Bob From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Tue Jan 28 03:12:14 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:12:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bundle Htdig with Pipermail? -was- How to delete messages from private archives In-Reply-To: <1043718537.1610.70.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>; from jonc@nc.rr.com on Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 08:48:52PM -0500 References: <15925.42558.976893.470843@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <15925.53201.893997.84422@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1043718537.1610.70.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030127211214.B12182@dogpound.vnet.net> * Jon Carnes (jonc at nc.rr.com) wrote: > Is there a reason you wouldn't want to simply include Htdig as part of > the "out of the box" install? My concern is the size of the package. -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman2 mailman2 5466939 Dec 30 23:55 mailman-2.1.tgz Thats a good chunk, and adding htdig (tarball for 3.1.6 is 2 meg) would up the package size to roughly 7-8 meg. Considering I'm just a lowly dial-up 56k constant connection server (theres no plans of broadband where I live, way too far in the NC sticks), puts me as a minority I know. Just a concern. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Misfortune: The kind of fortune that never misses. From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 28 03:34:35 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 27 Jan 2003 21:34:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] create a new list (web interface) + qmail aliases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1043721279.1614.86.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> How about using a small script that is kicked off every 5 minutes via a cron job? Something like this (that looks at the last time the ~mailman/lists directory was modified)... LDT1=`ls -ld /usr/local/mailman/lists` LDT2=`cat /usr/local/mailman/checklist LDT 2>/dev/null` if [ "$LDT1" = "$LDT2" ]; then exit 0 ; fi # if the listing for the ~mailman/lists directory # hasn't changed then no lists have been created or deleted insert your script commands here... ... Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 20:23, Rodrigo Lagos wrote: > Hi all, > I have Mailman 2.1 installed running with qmail, i have been using the > Mailman+qmail configuration for a while, but just now making the upgrade to > MM 2.1. > I was very happy to see the "create a new mailing list" in the admin page. I > have it all working with virtual domains, and its great. > I do have one question. Is there a way to use the create cgi to also kick > off creation of .qmail aliases for that list, maybe from create.py? i have > a small shell script that creates the aliases, but don't know how to kick > off the script after the list has been created from the same process. > Anyone done this ?? > ideas? > thanks > --rodrigo > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Tue Jan 28 03:38:25 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:38:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives page not found (Noob.Q) In-Reply-To: ; from kmastin@beechtree.ca on Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 08:53:19PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030127213824.C12182@dogpound.vnet.net> * Keith Mastin (kmastin at beechtree.ca) wrote: > Alias /pipermail/ "/web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/public/" I don't know if this is even possiable. But the only setup difference between yours and mine is the quotes around the dir. Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman2/archives/public/ Just a stab in the dark, and see if your web error_log gives you anymore insight. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ HECK IS WHERE PEOPLE GO WHO DON'T BELIEVE IN GOSH From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 28 03:47:48 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 27 Jan 2003 21:47:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives page not found (Noob.Q) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1043722072.1614.90.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Below is one of my working ones (for pipermail). It is very similar to yours, just without the quotation marks. HtH - Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 20:53, Keith Mastin wrote: > > Alias /pipermail/ "/web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/public/" > > > Options FollowSymLinks > AllowOverride None > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/ Options +FollowSymlinks From kmastin at beechtree.ca Tue Jan 28 04:18:59 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:18:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives page not found (Noob.Q) In-Reply-To: <1043722072.1614.90.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: >Below is one of my working ones (for pipermail). It is very similar to >yours, just without the quotation marks. > >HtH - Jon Carnes > >On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 20:53, Keith Mastin wrote: > >> >> Alias /pipermail/ "/web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/public/" >> >> >> Options FollowSymLinks >> AllowOverride None >> Order allow,deny >> Allow from all >> >> > >Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/ > > Options +FollowSymlinks > Yeah, that didn't work. I'm leaning more toward it being a permissions problem. Here's a line from error_log: [Mon Jan 27 18:57:32 2003] [error] [client 216.138.194.32] Directory index forbidden by rule: /web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/public/members/ ... what rule would this be referring to? Thank you and Matthew for the prompt replies. :) From kmastin at beechtree.ca Tue Jan 28 04:37:11 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:37:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] text only in attachment -Noob.Q In-Reply-To: <1043719139.1614.79.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: >Can you include a sample email to the list? >I'm curious if the problem is the Content Filter (look in the >web-admin). > >Jon Carnes Web-admin? How would I look there, do you mean on the stuff we see in a browser, or in the code that makes the page? Okay, here's the test message, headers first, body second and the attachment third: Headers: >From members-bounces at mcleodlake.com Mon Jan 27 16:45:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: keith.mastin at mail.mcleodlake.com Received: from mail.mcleodlake.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mcleodlake.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D0EBB30 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:45:55 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: members at mail.mcleodlake.com Received: from mcleodlake.com (unknown [216.113.197.175]) by mail.mcleodlake.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 449C0BB30 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:45:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from 216.138.194.32 (SquirrelMail authenticated user keith.mastin) by www.mcleodlakeindianband.com with HTTP; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:45:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <63270.216.138.194.32.1043714753.squirrel at www.mcleodlakeindianband.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:45:53 -0500 (EST) To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: members at mcleodlake.com Subject: [Members] test X-BeenThere: members at mcleodlake.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Unmoderated members list List-Id: Unmoderated members list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============060077655689155129==" Sender: members-bounces at mcleodlake.com Errors-To: members-bounces at mcleodlake.com Body: Subject: [Members] test View Full Header From: members at mcleodlake.com Add Date: Mon, January 27, 2003 7:45 pm View Printable Version To: Block Sender Priority: Normal Block Sender's Domain Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.10) Mailing List: Post to List | Reply to List | Subscribe | Unsubscribe | List Archives | Help _______________________________________________ Members mailing list Members at mcleodlake.com https://www.mcleodlakeindianband.com/mailman/listinfo/members Attachments: untitled-[1] 0.2 k [ text/$email_type ] download | view Attachment:
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http://www.mcleodlake.com ... that's it. Wierd, huh? >Jon Carnes > >On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 20:22, Keith Mastin wrote: >> This is my first mailman implmentation. >> System: redhat-7.3 >> smtp: postfix-1.1.7-2 >> imapd: courier-imap-1.6.2-1.7.3 >> pop3d: none >> webmail: squirrelmail-1.2.10 >> list manager: mailman-2.1 >> httpd: apache-1.3.27-2 >> php: php-4.1.2-7.3.6 >> python: python-1.5.2-38; python2-2.2.2-3.7.3 >> >> All users access mail via the squirrelmail interface. >> >> I sent a test message to the list. The message got sent and delivered as >> expected. However, the test of the message is an attachment, it does not >> appear in the text area. >> >> A look through the more recent months of the archives didn't show any >> similar problems. >> >> Any ideas? >> TIA >> >> Keith Mastin >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > From jeff at dgjc.org Tue Jan 28 07:28:05 2003 From: jeff at dgjc.org (Jeff Martin) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:28:05 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message-ID: Hello. Can all list administration with mailman be accomplished with email directives or do you need the web interface for some of it? Is it possible to have the option to archive email messages to my web server so that they would be available online for anyone? Is mailman compatible with RedHat 7.x? Why should I use Mailman rather than... majordomo? sympa? esquire? ecartis? Thanks! Jeff Jeff Martin 704 Torrey Lane, Apartment D Boalsburg, PA 16827 H814-466-7791 jeff at dgjc.org www.dgjc.org From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Tue Jan 28 04:42:54 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:42:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives page not found (Noob.Q) In-Reply-To: ; from kmastin@beechtree.ca on Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 10:18:59PM -0500 References: <1043722072.1614.90.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030127224254.A12911@dogpound.vnet.net> * Keith Mastin (kmastin at beechtree.ca) wrote: > >On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 20:53, Keith Mastin wrote: > > > >> > >> Alias /pipermail/ "/web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/public/" > >> > >> > >> Options FollowSymLinks > >> AllowOverride None > >> Order allow,deny > >> Allow from all > >> > >> > > > >Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/ > > > > Options +FollowSymlinks > > > > Yeah, that didn't work. I'm leaning more toward it being a permissions > problem. Here's a line from error_log: > [Mon Jan 27 18:57:32 2003] [error] [client 216.138.194.32] Directory index > forbidden by rule: /web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/public/members/ Make sure bin/check_perms doesn't give any problems (just to rule that out). But this is an apache config problem. I'd go thru the apache .conf file and take out thoes options (to make sure they're not causing the problem) or # them out. Make sure you restart apache to have the new settings take effect. Then try with just the 2 lines Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman2/archives/public/ ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman2/cgi-bin/" Thats all I have in my httpd.conf in refrence to mailman. See if that works. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ It's lonely at the top, but you eat better. From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Tue Jan 28 04:47:50 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:47:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] In-Reply-To: ; from jeff@dgjc.org on Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 10:28:05PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20030127224750.B12911@dogpound.vnet.net> * Jeff Martin (jeff at dgjc.org) wrote: > Can all list administration with mailman be accomplished with email > directives > or do you need the web interface for some of it? Not all, but some. The web interface is very slick and well done. > Is it possible to have the option to archive email messages to my web server > so > that they would be available online for anyone? Yes. Mailman does this out-of-the-box (if the web server is setup correctly to see the archives). > Is mailman compatible with RedHat 7.x? Yes. Visit http://www.list.org > Why should I use Mailman rather than.. > majordomo? > sympa? > esquire? > ecartis? http://www.list.org/features.html In a nutshell, its just better. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ I don't think, therefore I am not. From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Tue Jan 28 04:51:12 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:51:12 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives page not found (Noob.Q) References: Message-ID: <3E35FE30.1050602@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> >>> Alias /pipermail/ "/web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/public/" >>> >>> >>> Options FollowSymLinks Options Indexes FollowSymLinks > problem. Here's a line from error_log: > [Mon Jan 27 18:57:32 2003] [error] [client 216.138.194.32] Directory index > forbidden by rule: /web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/public/members/ says it all. Read your apache manual. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From huston at astro.Princeton.EDU Tue Jan 28 05:10:18 2003 From: huston at astro.Princeton.EDU (Steve Huston) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:10:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bundle Htdig with Pipermail? -was- How to delete messages from private archives In-Reply-To: <20030127211214.B12182@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: [Trimming CCs down to just the list] On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Matthew Davis wrote: > * Jon Carnes (jonc at nc.rr.com) wrote: > > Is there a reason you wouldn't want to simply include Htdig as part of > > the "out of the box" install? > My concern is the size of the package. > Thats a good chunk, and adding htdig (tarball for 3.1.6 is 2 meg) would up > the package size to roughly 7-8 meg. Considering I'm just a lowly dial-up > 56k constant connection server (theres no plans of broadband where I live, > way too far in the NC sticks), puts me as a minority I know. Just a > concern. Yes, but look at just the size of Mailman, plus the "htdig" patches on Sourceforge. That's not too big, and simply means you'd have to install htdig separately. Or even change the patches around (if necessary, don't recall now) so that they can be applied, but htdig isn't required for things to run. Yes, you'd still have to download and install it if you wanted the functionality, however it comes with RedHat at least so you could install it from your distribution's media. While I can agree with large package sizes (have had my DSL dropped twice when companies went under, and had to go back to good old dial-up), I doubt a couple patches to Mailman would change the size that much. Plus, it already requires Python, and last I checked that was pretty big :> -- Steve Huston - Unix Systems Administrator, Dept. of Astrophysical Sciences Princeton University | ICBM Address: 40.346525 -74.651285 126 Peyton Hall |"On my ship, the Rocinante, wheeling through Princeton, NJ 08544 | the galaxies; headed for the heart of Cygnus, (609) 258-7375 | headlong into mystery." -Rush, 'Cygnus X-1' From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Tue Jan 28 05:47:59 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:47:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bundle Htdig with Pipermail? -was- How to delete messages from private archives In-Reply-To: ; from huston@astro.Princeton.EDU on Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 11:10:18PM -0500 References: <20030127211214.B12182@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: <20030127234759.A13365@dogpound.vnet.net> * Steve Huston (huston at astro.Princeton.EDU) wrote: > On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Matthew Davis wrote: > > > * Jon Carnes (jonc at nc.rr.com) wrote: > > > Is there a reason you wouldn't want to simply include Htdig as part of > > > the "out of the box" install? > > My concern is the size of the package. > > Thats a good chunk, and adding htdig (tarball for 3.1.6 is 2 meg) would up > > the package size to roughly 7-8 meg. Considering I'm just a lowly dial-up > > 56k constant connection server (theres no plans of broadband where I live, > > way too far in the NC sticks), puts me as a minority I know. Just a > > concern. > > Yes, but look at just the size of Mailman, plus the "htdig" patches on > Sourceforge. That's not too big, and simply means you'd have to install htdig > separately. Or even change the patches around (if necessary, don't recall > now) so that they can be applied, but htdig isn't required for things to run. > Yes, you'd still have to download and install it if you wanted the > functionality, however it comes with RedHat at least so you could install it > from your distribution's media. I agree. htdig and python are both on the redhat cd's. I fear that htdig will become part of the mailman package as pipermail is. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ And now for something completely different... From barry at python.org Tue Jan 28 05:53:08 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:53:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bundle Htdig with Pipermail? -was- How to delete messages from private archives References: <15925.42558.976893.470843@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <15925.53201.893997.84422@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1043718537.1610.70.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <15926.3252.229953.518029@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "JC" == Jon Carnes writes: JC> Is there a reason you wouldn't want to simply include Htdig as JC> part of the "out of the box" install? If we bundle it with Mailman, we're making a commitment to maintain it. JC> Are you thinking that we can port ht://dig over to Python and JC> then improve it performance? :-) Sure, I can't wait . -Barry From barry at python.org Tue Jan 28 05:56:18 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:56:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bundle Htdig with Pipermail? -was- How to delete messages from private archives References: <15925.42558.976893.470843@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <15925.53201.893997.84422@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1043718537.1610.70.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <20030127211214.B12182@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: <15926.3442.688565.268901@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "MD" == Matthew Davis writes: MD> -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman2 mailman2 5466939 Dec 30 23:55 MD> mailman-2.1.tgz Eventually, I want to split Mailman into a sumo distro and a lite distro, where the latter includes just the English distro. -Barry From greg at gregwestin.com Tue Jan 28 06:06:20 2003 From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 00:06:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bundle Htdig with Pipermail? -was- How to delete messages from private archives In-Reply-To: <20030127234759.A13365@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: <3D0AF339-327E-11D7-B898-003065C03184@gregwestin.com> > I agree. htdig and python are both on the redhat cd's. I fear that > htdig > will become part of the mailman package as pipermail is. I really don't know much about this stuff, but two thoughts: -Not all of us use redhat. So what is or isn't on the redhat cds shouldn't be a deciding factor in decision about including features, though obviously it should be considered. -Patches are all well and good, but I'd venture to guess that many users wouldn't be comfortable patching Mailman for fear of messing something up. However, everyone probably wants archives that are to some degree searchable. It seems to me that beginners would want searchability out-of-the-box, but be afraid to patch; users who want more powerful searching are almost certainly willing to apply patches, etc.; users who don't want searching are... I don't know any of those people. I certainly understand, of course, concerns about making the Mailman package excessively large, and concerns by developers about tying themselves to development of a new component. However, I think users have come to expect that they can search things in archives -- if an archiver is going to be included with Mailman, I think some search capability ought to be. Greg -- http://www.gregwestin.com Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php From bob at nleaudio.com Tue Jan 28 06:48:05 2003 From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 00:48:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bundling HTDIG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030128054805.M14859@nleaudio.com> While I can understand why one might not want to bundle HTDIG with Mailman, I do think it is entirely appropriate to integrade the HTDIG patches into Mailman, making the adding of HTDIG much easier. Especially since the patch author has made the patch such that the default usage does not affect normal Pipermail operation (if HT:Dig is not installed/used). Bob P.S. The subject index in the digest are wrapping in a very odd way. For example, the first line shows: 1. Bundle Htdig with Pipermail? -was- How to delete messages from private archives (Jon Carnes) Note the blank line after the number. This is new to MM2.1. From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Tue Jan 28 07:05:37 2003 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 07:05:37 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer? In-Reply-To: <69308F5141509946826E3347F3A711E83876@jiggaman.raw-talent.hopto.org> References: <69308F5141509946826E3347F3A711E83876@jiggaman.raw-talent.hopto.org> Message-ID: <20030128060537.GL5179@charite.de> * Angel Gabriel : > The reason I was going to do this, is because I don't really want to > have two DNS servers on the same subnet, and email being sent by a > machine with local DNS, is going to send faster that a machine that has > to wait for DNS queries to be answered. a) You don't need a DNS server. You only need a cache. Something like nscd (should come with libc!) or better http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/install.html is dead simple to install and doesn't conflict with anything on the net. b) a local DNS has nothing to do with resolving names from the internet (unless you configured it to be a cache) -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 Why you can't find your system administrators: (S)he's busy installing xfishtank on the main fileserver. -- Mark D. Roth roth at uiuc.edu From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Tue Jan 28 07:10:33 2003 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 07:10:33 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer? In-Reply-To: <20030128021027.M54966@nleaudio.com> References: <20030128021027.M54966@nleaudio.com> Message-ID: <20030128061033.GN5179@charite.de> * Bob Puff at NLE : > I second the recommendation NOT to use Exchange as your mail transport agent. > If you've got a DNS server (even your MS box, shiver me timbers) that's only > a couple milliseconds away, you're not going to see any noticeable performance > hit, especially if it's on your local lan. I've found that by far the > limiting factor is your connection to the internet. Or, with Postfix, disk I/O -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 Why you can't find your system administrators: gurgle gurgle... -- Shannon Robert Madsen madsen at cs.umn.edu From kmastin at beechtree.ca Tue Jan 28 07:49:31 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 01:49:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives page not found (Noob.Q) In-Reply-To: <20030127224254.A12911@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: Hi Matthew, >> >> Alias /pipermail/ "/web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/public/" >> >> >> >> >> >> Options FollowSymLinks >> >> AllowOverride None >> >> Order allow,deny >> >> Allow from all >> >> >> >> >> > >> >Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/ >> > >> > Options +FollowSymlinks >> > >> >> Yeah, that didn't work. I'm leaning more toward it being a permissions >> problem. Here's a line from error_log: >> [Mon Jan 27 18:57:32 2003] [error] [client 216.138.194.32] Directory index >> forbidden by rule: /web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/public/members/ > >Make sure bin/check_perms doesn't give any problems (just to rule that out). That came up clean almost from the start... just a couple snafus the first time and clean after. Now, however... [root at mail mailman]# /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms -f bash: /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms: @PYTHON@: bad interpreter: No such file or directory >But this is an apache config problem. I'd go thru the apache .conf file and >take out thoes options (to make sure they're not causing the >problem) or # them out. Make sure you restart apache to have the new >settings take effect. Then try with just the 2 lines > >Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman2/archives/public/ >ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman2/cgi-bin/" > >Thats all I have in my httpd.conf in refrence to mailman. Tried that too... still no joy. What should the perm on the archives tree be? Thanks again. From kmastin at beechtree.ca Tue Jan 28 07:57:35 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 01:57:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives page not found (Noob.Q) In-Reply-To: <3E35FE30.1050602@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: > >>>> Alias /pipermail/ "/web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/public/" >>>> >>>> >>>> Options FollowSymLinks > >Options Indexes FollowSymLinks Nope... not that simple either. Need to know what to index and spec that in the conf file too... Here's what I have now: index.htm index.php index.php4 index.php3 index.phtml index.cgi I'm guessing py, but would that be accurate? Thanks >> problem. Here's a line from error_log: >> [Mon Jan 27 18:57:32 2003] [error] [client 216.138.194.32] Directory index >> forbidden by rule: /web/mlib/data/mailman/archives/public/members/ > >says it all. Read your apache manual. > > From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Tue Jan 28 08:17:36 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:17:36 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives page not found (Noob.Q) References: Message-ID: <3E362E90.3050402@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> >>Make sure bin/check_perms doesn't give any problems (just to rule that out). > > > That came up clean almost from the start... just a couple snafus the first > time and clean after. Now, however... > > [root at mail mailman]# /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms -f > bash: /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms: @PYTHON@: bad interpreter: No > such file or directory '@PYTHON@' means the script is not './configure'-ed. Follow the instructions in INSTALL to install. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From kmastin at beechtree.ca Tue Jan 28 09:12:41 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 03:12:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives page not found (Noob.Q) In-Reply-To: <3E362E90.3050402@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: > >>>Make sure bin/check_perms doesn't give any problems (just to rule that out). >> >> That came up clean almost from the start... just a couple snafus the first >> time and clean after. Now, however... >> >> [root at mail mailman]# /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms -f >> bash: /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms: @PYTHON@: bad interpreter: No >> such file or directory > >'@PYTHON@' means the script is not './configure'-ed. >Follow the instructions in INSTALL to install. > Then there's something seriously fubar'ed here, because the ./configure command I used to compile yesterday was: [root at mail mailman]# ./configure --prefix=/web/mlib/data/mailman --with-python=/usr/bin/python2 --with-cgi-gid=shadow-readers I did it again... waste of time that was. Ran check_perms again in the source dir with the same error. Running it from the install dir comes up clean. "No problems found" Still getting the "400 not found" error when trying to access the pipermail/members dir. There is no index page in that directory, just links to the /archive/private/ directories, where the indicies are. The only difference is that I no longer get any errors in the httpd/error_log when trying to reference the list archive page from a browser. Noting the above gid configure parameter, is this the correct perm for the index.html file? -rwxrwxr-x 1 apache mailman 1174 Jan 27 16:45 index.html Thanks again From kmastin at beechtree.ca Tue Jan 28 09:40:30 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 03:40:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives page not found (Noob.Q) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry to top post, but call this one pretty much solved. The problem, as I suspected, was in the permissions for the index.html file not being set sgid. Funny thing though, is that accessing it from the "List Archives" link on a message still shows the "400 file not found" error, but I can access it from the listinfo/members "Members Archive" link. Thanks everyone for your input. >Still getting the "400 not found" error when trying to access the >pipermail/members dir. There is no index page in that directory, just >links to the /archive/private/ directories, where the indicies >are. The only difference is that I no longer get any errors in the >httpd/error_log when trying to reference the list archive page from a >browser. > >Noting the above gid configure parameter, is this the correct perm for the >index.html file? >-rwxrwxr-x 1 apache mailman 1174 Jan 27 16:45 index.html From lists at monkeez.co.uk Tue Jan 28 09:46:54 2003 From: lists at monkeez.co.uk (Adam) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:46:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and sendmail... Message-ID: <1043743614.3e36437e775d4@webmail.monkeez.co.uk> I've been trying to get through these problems on my own for a while - using the searchable mailling list (thanks for that guys). However, I've still got problems. I'm using mandrake 9 with mailman installed from rpm, with sendmail 8.12.7 installed from source. I seemed to have managed to get sendmail working (with appropriate aliases) but it doesn't have NEWDB installed (I've config'ed the aliases file myself). The first problem was my confirmation mails bouncing back to the user with Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid 78. (Reconfigure to take 78?) 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2 But I changed the gid of mailnull to 65534 and the bouncing stopped. However, now I get on my mailman server those confirmation messages to postmaster: The original message was received at Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:02:06 GMT from localhost with id h0RL26TX025349 ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to deepthought.34sp.com.: >>> DATA <<< 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1) 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown <<< 503 RCPT first (#5.5.1) Also, where do I configure the domain name for Mailman? At the moment the default seems to be localhost.localdomain. Can anyone guide me through this? I'd appreciate some helpful advice here - thanks very much in advance. adam -- GPG public key:- www.monkeez.co.uk/public_key.asc From rshugg at kinetitech.com.au Tue Jan 28 10:27:37 2003 From: rshugg at kinetitech.com.au (Rob Shugg) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 20:27:37 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin functions not globally accessible In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200301280928.h0S9SFF02681@cts04.webone.com.au> I thought i had finally got mailman working on my work network only to find when i tried to access the admin funtions from home I got a connection refused. I can access the main admin page and click on one of my lists so that the password entry screen comes up but then the browser times out or sometimes i get a connection refused. Also the list info page comes up but will not process any requests. Everything works when i connect to the site from from the internal network to the webserver in the dmz, it jus doesnt seem to want any connections form the outside world. any ideas? rob PS debian woody on the server. From reinhard.proessler at de.hanjin.com Tue Jan 28 11:37:16 2003 From: reinhard.proessler at de.hanjin.com (Reinhard Proessler) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:37:16 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] D_elivery N_otifications and B_ounces Message-ID: Hello dear Listmembers, i found a problem with our wonderfull running mailman lists: We get some EDI Notifications with the Subject: DELIVERY NOTIFICATION and similar. This Mails reach our machine and mailman puts them in to archivefiles, but they never appear in the recipients mailbox. I think mailman has eaten this mail. How can i configure that some sender can send what they want and nothing will be blocked. Only from special domains or senders. Any suggestions? B.Rgds RPr Reinhard Proessler, Hanjin Shipping ::: EDP/Telecommunikation ::: Admiralitaetsstr. 56, 20459 Hamburg ::: Tel.: 0049 40 37685 443 mailto://reinhard.proessler at de.hanjin.com From b.vergondy at approche.net Mon Jan 27 18:26:33 2003 From: b.vergondy at approche.net (b.vergondy at approche.net) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:26:33 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and mysql ??? Message-ID: <042a01c2c629$3e64fe00$0301a8c0@bartpc> hello, what the programmation for link mailman to mysql database ??? or is it possible ? thank for your help... From barry at python.org Tue Jan 28 14:19:12 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:19:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bundling HTDIG References: <20030128054805.M14859@nleaudio.com> Message-ID: <15926.33616.127732.584880@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "bob" == writes: bob> While I can understand why one might not want to bundle HTDIG bob> with Mailman, I do think it is entirely appropriate to bob> integrade the HTDIG patches into Mailman, making the adding bob> of HTDIG much easier. Especially since the patch author has bob> made the patch such that the default usage does not affect bob> normal Pipermail operation (if HT:Dig is not installed/used). +1 (eventually). bob> P.S. The subject index in the digest are wrapping in a very bob> odd way. For example, the first line shows: Fixed in CVS I believe. -Barry From tneff at grassyhill.org Tue Jan 28 14:49:21 2003 From: tneff at grassyhill.org (Tom Neff) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:49:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2nd request: migrating a list from 1.1 to 2.1 hosts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <650919375.1043743761@[192.168.254.79]> There seem to be some other threads capturing people's attention, but Barry has logged in and sent mail a couple of times :), so I'm assuming this fell through the cracks. I have some lists on a host running MM1.1, and a new host running MM2.1. I need to move the 1.1 lists over to the new host. Is there a robust way to do this? From delilah at seyyav.pair.com Tue Jan 28 15:02:47 2003 From: delilah at seyyav.pair.com (delilah at seyyav.pair.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:02:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] editing HTML Message-ID: Hi, I'm using mailman 2.0.6 and having trouble editing the HTML for the subscriber confirmation page. I've made the changes via the edit html section of the admin interface. The problem is with setting the bgcolor tag for the page. Any changes I make get over written with the following tags that are automatically added to the page when I access it via my browser: I try to set bgcolor as but it doesn't work, the page still shows up white. Is there are way to work around this? Sean From chris at lifeforce.de Tue Jan 28 15:39:07 2003 From: chris at lifeforce.de (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:39:07 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail transfer agent : PROBLEM References: <3E362E90.3050402@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <002c01c2c6db$03bf4780$025ca8c0@lf> hi ! i am using suse 8.1 . mta-configuration: outgoing mail server = smtp from my provider (post.strato.de) accept remote smtp: NO (OFF) if i subscribe to a list, i get a mail to cofirm my subscription. if i answer to this mail or write a mail to the mailinglist nothing happens... (i got a timeout mail after 4 days) i am trying to configure mailman since about two weeks. nothing works... is there anyone who can help me? (germany, 26842) i ran newlist for a new list then i edited /etc/aliases.d/mailman after that i ran 'postalias mailman' . i think there is a problem with the masquerading. but i don't realy know. which configurationfiles are needed to help me? /var/log/mail Jan 28 15:29:23 lifeforce postfix/postfix-script: starting the Postfix mail system Jan 28 15:29:24 lifeforce postfix/master[11829]: daemon started Jan 28 15:33:21 lifeforce postfix/smtpd[11881]: connect from localhost[127.0.0.1] Jan 28 15:33:21 lifeforce postfix/smtpd[11881]: 2C8C0B276: client=localhost[127.0.0.1] Jan 28 15:33:21 lifeforce postfix/cleanup[11882]: 2C8C0B276: message-id=<002301c2c6da$005c14c0$025ca8c0 at lf> Jan 28 15:33:22 lifeforce postfix/qmgr[11836]: 2C8C0B276: from=, size=151827, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jan 28 15:33:37 lifeforce postfix/smtp[11884]: 2C8C0B276: to=,relay=post.strato.de Jan 28 15:33:54 lifeforce postfix/smtpd[11881]: disconnect from localhost[127.0.0.1] From alex at phred.org Tue Jan 28 16:01:36 2003 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 07:01:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer? In-Reply-To: <20030128021027.M54966@nleaudio.com> Message-ID: <20030128065607.F29271-100000@phred.org> On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Bob Puff at NLE wrote: > I second the recommendation NOT to use Exchange as your mail transport agent. > If you've got a DNS server (even your MS box, shiver me timbers) that's only > a couple milliseconds away, you're not going to see any noticeable performance > hit, especially if it's on your local lan. I've found that by far the > limiting factor is your connection to the internet. One benefit to using Exchange 2000 as your outbound MTA is that it works very well with batching. I have my Exchange setup to allow 500 recipients per message. Mailman is also configured to send 500 recipients per message. As a result all 55 aol.com, 65 yahoo.com, or 51 hotmail.com recipients on my largest list are send to Exchange on the same message. Exchange can send a single message to handle all of those recipients instead of sending 5 or 10 as would occur when using the recommended batching of 10 recipients per message for postfix and other popular Unix-based MTAs. Exchange 2000 has no problem sending the same message to multiple domains at the same time. The remote deliver agent on most Unix MTAs can only send to one domain at a time so if you set the batching to 500 then you single thread your delivery and it can take forever for messages to get out. Note that you can use Windows 2000 SMTP server instead of Exchange for this. The code is exactly the same, Windows 2000 is just missing other parts of the mail system and some of the administrative tools. I talked to Ralf offline about his comments yesterday. All of the issues that he brought up were about Exchange 5.5. Exchange 2000 replaced that with a much newer MTA almost three years ago. alex From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Tue Jan 28 16:05:32 2003 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:05:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer? In-Reply-To: <20030128065607.F29271-100000@phred.org> References: <20030128021027.M54966@nleaudio.com> <20030128065607.F29271-100000@phred.org> Message-ID: <20030128150532.GJ8093@charite.de> * alex wetmore : > I have my Exchange setup to allow 500 recipients per message. Mailman > is also configured to send 500 recipients per message. As a result > all 55 aol.com, 65 yahoo.com, or 51 hotmail.com recipients on my > largest list are send to Exchange on the same message. Exchange can > send a single message to handle all of those recipients instead of > sending 5 or 10 as would occur when using the recommended batching of > 10 recipients per message for postfix and other popular Unix-based > MTAs. This is not true for postfix. > Exchange 2000 has no problem sending the same message to multiple > domains at the same time. The remote deliver agent on most Unix MTAs > can only send to one domain at a time This is not true for postfix. > so if you set the batching to 500 then you single thread your > delivery and it can take forever for messages to get out. This is not true for postfix. -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 Why you can't find your system administrators: On the roof of the building, contemplating. -- Johan van Zanten johan at habanero.evtech.com From jonathan at cs.keele.ac.uk Tue Jan 28 16:17:05 2003 From: jonathan at cs.keele.ac.uk (Jonathan Knight) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:17:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer? In-Reply-To: <20030128150532.GJ8093@charite.de> from "Ralf Hildebrandt" at Jan 28, 2003 04:05:32 PM Message-ID: > > Exchange can > > send a single message to handle all of those recipients instead of > > sending 5 or 10 as would occur when using the recommended batching of > > 10 recipients per message for postfix and other popular Unix-based > > MTAs. > This is not true for postfix. That's not true for exim either. It's a configurable option so that those MTA's which refuse messages with more than X recipients (to avoid some spam) can be catered for. Exim can be configured with different limits for different domains. > > Exchange 2000 has no problem sending the same message to multiple > > domains at the same time. The remote deliver agent on most Unix MTAs > > can only send to one domain at a time > > This is not true for postfix. Nor for exim. It's a configurable option. > > so if you set the batching to 500 then you single thread your > > delivery and it can take forever for messages to get out. > > This is not true for postfix. Nor exim I have a mailing list of thousands that clears those that are deliverable in a minute or less. On the other hand there's an exchange server on site that self destructs whenever its users email a large-ish address book entry. -- ______ jonathan at cs.keele.ac.uk Jonathan Knight, / Department of Computer Science / _ __ Telephone: +44 1782 583437 University of Keele, Keele, (_/ (_) / / Fax : +44 1782 713082 Staffordshire. ST5 5BG. U.K. From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 28 17:19:09 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 28 Jan 2003 16:19:09 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and sendmail... In-Reply-To: <1043743614.3e36437e775d4@webmail.monkeez.co.uk> References: <1043743614.3e36437e775d4@webmail.monkeez.co.uk> Message-ID: <1043770753.1615.44.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Hmm, You've got some real sendmail problems. You might want to consult that list or the FAQ's from http://www.sendmail.org You need to set your hostname properly. You can set it via the hostname command, but it's better if its in your servers configuration files. Also, make sure that your hostname is in your /etc/hosts file and it's ip is identified properly. You can edit /etc/sendmail.cf and set the hostname inside there (if the hostname you want it to use is not the default, but resolves to your box anyway). You also need to edit /etc/sendmail.cf or one of the /etc/mail files to alert Sendmail as to which domains are local (so it should accept traffic for those domains as being local). As an aside, I don't like the way your RPM of Mailman installed and expected a no-group when using the MTA. After you get your Sendmail install working properly you should consider downloading the Mailman from source and installing via: ./configure --with-mail-gid=78 make install Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 08:46, Adam wrote: > I've been trying to get through these problems on my own for a while - using the > searchable mailling list (thanks for that guys). However, I've still got problems. > > I'm using mandrake 9 with mailman installed from rpm, with sendmail 8.12.7 > installed from source. I seemed to have managed to get sendmail working (with > appropriate aliases) but it doesn't have NEWDB installed (I've config'ed the > aliases file myself). > > The first problem was my confirmation mails bouncing back to the user with > Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid 78. (Reconfigure to take 78?) > 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2 > > But I changed the gid of mailnull to 65534 and the bouncing stopped. > > However, now I get on my mailman server those confirmation messages to postmaster: > > The original message was received at Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:02:06 GMT > from localhost > with id h0RL26TX025349 > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > (reason: 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > ... while talking to deepthought.34sp.com.: > >>> DATA > <<< 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1) > 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown > <<< 503 RCPT first (#5.5.1) > > Also, where do I configure the domain name for Mailman? At the moment the > default seems to be localhost.localdomain. > > Can anyone guide me through this? > > I'd appreciate some helpful advice here - thanks very much in advance. > > adam > > -- > GPG public key:- > www.monkeez.co.uk/public_key.asc > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 28 17:20:36 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 28 Jan 2003 16:20:36 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin functions not globally accessible In-Reply-To: <200301280928.h0S9SFF02681@cts04.webone.com.au> References: <200301280928.h0S9SFF02681@cts04.webone.com.au> Message-ID: <1043770837.1614.46.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Try a different browser when you are working from home (and accept cookies from the site) On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 09:27, Rob Shugg wrote: > I thought i had finally got mailman working on my work network only to find > when i tried to access the admin funtions from home I got a connection > refused. > I can access the main admin page and click on one of my lists so that the > password entry screen comes up but then the browser times out or sometimes i > get a connection refused. > Also the list info page comes up but will not process any requests. > > Everything works when i connect to the site from from the internal network to > the webserver in the dmz, it jus doesnt seem to want any connections form the > outside world. > any ideas? > > rob > PS debian woody on the server. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From alex at phred.org Tue Jan 28 17:10:14 2003 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:10:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030128080600.O29271-100000@phred.org> On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Jonathan Knight wrote: > > > Exchange can > > > send a single message to handle all of those recipients instead of > > > sending 5 or 10 as would occur when using the recommended batching of > > > 10 recipients per message for postfix and other popular Unix-based > > > MTAs. > > This is not true for postfix. > > That's not true for exim either. It's a configurable option so that those > MTA's which refuse messages with more than X recipients (to avoid some spam) > can be catered for. Exim can be configured with different limits for > different domains. > > > > Exchange 2000 has no problem sending the same message to multiple > > > domains at the same time. The remote deliver agent on most Unix MTAs > > > can only send to one domain at a time > > > > This is not true for postfix. > > Nor for exim. It's a configurable option. Sorry for the misinformation. I was going by some information that I learned on this list about two years ago stating that setting MAX_SMTP_RCPTS to between 5 and 10 will increase parallelism with the MTA. Will exim and postfix both open multiple connections to a remote domain when there are many recipients for that domain on a single message? The Mailman FAQ still recommends setting MAX_SMTP_RCPTS to 10 for performance reasons, but doesn't explain why. alex From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 28 17:24:23 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 28 Jan 2003 16:24:23 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] editing HTML In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1043771067.1614.48.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> You could edit the templates directly in: ~mailman/templates On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 14:02, delilah at seyyav.pair.com wrote: > Hi, > > I'm using mailman 2.0.6 and having trouble editing the HTML for the > subscriber confirmation page. I've made the changes via the edit html > section of the admin interface. The problem is with setting the bgcolor > tag for the page. Any changes I make get over written with the following > tags that are automatically added to the page when I access it via my > browser: > > > > > > > I try to set bgcolor as > > > > but it doesn't work, the page still shows up white. > > Is there are way to work around this? > > Sean > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 28 17:31:13 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 28 Jan 2003 16:31:13 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail transfer agent : PROBLEM In-Reply-To: <002c01c2c6db$03bf4780$025ca8c0@lf> References: <002c01c2c6db$03bf4780$025ca8c0@lf> Message-ID: <1043771478.1614.55.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> I've done this before and its very tricky to get it right. The first step for you is to make sure that you can send and receive mail - no matter how round-about your mail has to travel to end up on your server. Sending mail out is not problem, its getting it back in that can be tough. I setup Postfix to send out my mail as though I were the ISP, so that the email was from the proper domain and responses to the email eventually ended up on my server. Then I setup Mailman to send out using that domain as its default. If you think that your mail is making it to the server, then look at the Maillog and make sure that it came back in. If that part worked, then look in the mailman logs and see if the message was handed off to Mailman and if it then sent the message. Basically look at your logs and figure out what is going on. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 14:39, Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ] wrote: > hi ! > > i am using suse 8.1 . mta-configuration: > > outgoing mail server = smtp from my provider (post.strato.de) > accept remote smtp: NO (OFF) > > > if i subscribe to a list, i get a mail to cofirm my subscription. if i > answer to this mail or write a mail to the mailinglist nothing happens... (i > got a timeout mail after 4 days) > > i am trying to configure mailman since about two weeks. nothing works... > > is there anyone who can help me? > (germany, 26842) > > > i ran newlist for a new list then > i edited /etc/aliases.d/mailman > after that i ran 'postalias mailman' . > > > i think there is a problem with the masquerading. but i don't realy know. > > which configurationfiles are needed to help me? > > > /var/log/mail > Jan 28 15:29:23 lifeforce postfix/postfix-script: starting the Postfix mail > system > Jan 28 15:29:24 lifeforce postfix/master[11829]: daemon started > Jan 28 15:33:21 lifeforce postfix/smtpd[11881]: connect from > localhost[127.0.0.1] > Jan 28 15:33:21 lifeforce postfix/smtpd[11881]: 2C8C0B276: > client=localhost[127.0.0.1] > Jan 28 15:33:21 lifeforce postfix/cleanup[11882]: 2C8C0B276: > message-id=<002301c2c6da$005c14c0$025ca8c0 at lf> > Jan 28 15:33:22 lifeforce postfix/qmgr[11836]: 2C8C0B276: > from=, size=151827, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > Jan 28 15:33:37 lifeforce postfix/smtp[11884]: 2C8C0B276: > to=,relay=post.strato.de > Jan 28 15:33:54 lifeforce postfix/smtpd[11881]: disconnect from > localhost[127.0.0.1] > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Tue Jan 28 17:32:43 2003 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:32:43 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer? In-Reply-To: <20030128080600.O29271-100000@phred.org> References: <20030128080600.O29271-100000@phred.org> Message-ID: <20030128163243.GC21787@charite.de> * alex wetmore : > Sorry for the misinformation. I was going by some information that I > learned on this list about two years ago stating that setting > MAX_SMTP_RCPTS to between 5 and 10 will increase parallelism with the > MTA. > > Will exim and postfix both open multiple connections to a remote > domain when there are many recipients for that domain on a single > message? Postfix will group the recipients by domain (within certain limits, of course) and then contact the domains MX and push down all the recipients for - say hotmail.com - down this one pipe (one sender, many recipients). If there are MORE recipients than the limit allows, another connection will be opened in parallel, but only if limits allow and the opposite site is responsive. The number of parallel connections will increase until a limit is reached or the other side becomes slow/unresponsive (TCP slow start). > The Mailman FAQ still recommends setting MAX_SMTP_RCPTS to 10 for > performance reasons, but doesn't explain why. This should definitely go! Postfix uses: default_recipient_limit = 10000 # max. of 10000 Recipients per single mail smtp_destination_recipient_limit = $default_destination_recipient_limit # max. number of recipients to be sent over smtp # this should be increased for a mailing list server And on the receiving side Postfix's smtpd accepts 1000 recipients. Which should be increased for a mailing list server as well if you inject via SMTP (which is fastest!) -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 The trouble with being punctual is that people think you have nothing more important to do. From barry at zope.com Tue Jan 28 18:13:01 2003 From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:13:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer? References: <20030128080600.O29271-100000@phred.org> <20030128163243.GC21787@charite.de> Message-ID: <15926.47645.656916.636077@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "RH" == Ralf Hildebrandt writes: RH> * alex wetmore : >> The Mailman FAQ still recommends setting MAX_SMTP_RCPTS to 10 >> for performance reasons, but doesn't explain why. RH> This should definitely go! That's in the FAQwiz, right? Feel free to update that (it's on the honor system). -Barry From delilah at seyyav.pair.com Tue Jan 28 18:23:17 2003 From: delilah at seyyav.pair.com (delilah at seyyav.pair.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:23:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] editing HTML In-Reply-To: <1043771067.1614.48.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: I checked subscribe.html in ~mailman/templates, it only containes: more subscribe.html <MM-List-Name> Subscription results

Subscription results

The tags tags that are causeing problems are showing up as: <MM-List-Name> Subscription results

Subscription results

Something is putting the tags there regardless of what is in the template file of how it is edited via the web interface. Sean On 28 Jan 2003, Jon Carnes wrote: > You could edit the templates directly in: > ~mailman/templates > > On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 14:02, delilah at seyyav.pair.com wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm using mailman 2.0.6 and having trouble editing the HTML for the > > subscriber confirmation page. I've made the changes via the edit html > > section of the admin interface. The problem is with setting the bgcolor > > tag for the page. Any changes I make get over written with the following > > tags that are automatically added to the page when I access it via my > > browser: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I try to set bgcolor as > > > > > > > > but it doesn't work, the page still shows up white. > > > > Is there are way to work around this? > > > > Sean > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Tue Jan 28 18:28:14 2003 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:28:14 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer? In-Reply-To: <15926.47645.656916.636077@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <20030128080600.O29271-100000@phred.org> <20030128163243.GC21787@charite.de> <15926.47645.656916.636077@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20030128172814.GN21787@charite.de> * Barry A. Warsaw : > > >>>>> "RH" == Ralf Hildebrandt writes: > > RH> * alex wetmore : > >> The Mailman FAQ still recommends setting MAX_SMTP_RCPTS to 10 > >> for performance reasons, but doesn't explain why. > > RH> This should definitely go! > > That's in the FAQwiz, right? Feel free to update that (it's on the > honor system). Excellent. I got no password :( -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 Why you can't find your system administrators: Outside having a smoke because it's illegal in the building. From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Tue Jan 28 18:41:29 2003 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:41:29 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer? In-Reply-To: <15926.47645.656916.636077@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <20030128080600.O29271-100000@phred.org> <20030128163243.GC21787@charite.de> <15926.47645.656916.636077@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20030128174129.GT21787@charite.de> * Barry A. Warsaw : > RH> This should definitely go! > > That's in the FAQwiz, right? Feel free to update that (it's on the > honor system). I found the password by now... I haven't changed everything, though.-.. -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 sub i($){print$_[0]}*j=*ENV;sub w($){sleep$_[0]}sub _($){i"$p$c > ",w 1,$_=$_[0],tr;i-za-h,;a-hi-z ;,i$_,w 1,i"\n"}$|=1;$f='HO';($c=$j{PWD} )=~s/$j{$f."ME"}/~/;$p="$j{USER}\@$j{HOSTNAME}:";_"kl",$c='~',_"zu,". "-zn,*",_"#,epg,lw,gwc,mfmkcbm,cvsvwev,uiqt,kwvbmvb?",i"$p$c > ";w 99 From greg.martin18 at verizon.net Tue Jan 28 18:45:05 2003 From: greg.martin18 at verizon.net (vze1jt1m) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:45:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install Help Message-ID: <001c01c2c6f5$01be96b0$4f325190@etslan.org> I'm running the latest mailman install on Slackware 8.1 & Sendmail 8.12.4. I've run the install, following the INSTALL & README as close as possible. I've run configure with the following options: ./configure --with-mailhost=myhost.mydomain.org --withurlhost=www.mydomain.o rg --with-cgi-gid=apache --with-mail-gid=mailman (have also used daemon) I've created a list and the initial message is sent OK. But a message to firstlist at mydomain.org return the following error. My search of the web has been fruitless. I'm not sure how to configure sendmail to run scripts under a particular group (or find out which group it is currently executing as). Any thoughts? (of course, link to a web resource if fine, I've had no luck finding one) \\Greg The original message was received at Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:32:51 -0500 ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post firstlist" (reason: 2) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mail", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "daemon". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mail", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=daemon'. 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2 From gmartin at ets.org Tue Jan 28 18:47:47 2003 From: gmartin at ets.org (Martin, Greg (CSC)) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:47:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install issue Message-ID: <018664072781D51180290002A513B3A466B5A1@rosnt77.ets.org> I'm running the latest mailman install on Slackware 8.1 & Sendmail 8.12.4. I've run the install, following the INSTALL & README as close as possible. I've run configure with the following options: ./configure --with-mailhost=myhost.mydomain.org --withurlhost=www.mydomain.org --with-cgi-gid=apache --with-mail-gid=mailman (have also used daemon) I've created a list and the initial message is sent OK. But a message to firstlist at mydomain.org return the following error. My search of the web has been fruitless. I'm not sure how to configure sendmail to run scripts under a particular group. Any thought? \\Greg <\\Greg> The original message was received at Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:32:51 -0500 ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post firstlist" (reason: 2) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mail", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "daemon". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mail", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=daemon'. 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2 ************************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may contain privileged or confidential information. It is solely for use by the individual for whom it is intended, even if addressed incorrectly. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender; do not disclose, copy, distribute, or take any action in reliance on the contents of this information; and delete it from your system. Any other use of this e-mail is prohibited. Thank you for your compliance. From barry at zope.com Tue Jan 28 19:07:30 2003 From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:07:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer? References: <20030128080600.O29271-100000@phred.org> <20030128163243.GC21787@charite.de> <15926.47645.656916.636077@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20030128172814.GN21787@charite.de> Message-ID: <15926.50914.388675.948500@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "RH" == Ralf Hildebrandt writes: RH> Excellent. I got no password :( Go to http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and look at the bottom of the page. :) -Barry From anarcat at anarcat.ath.cx Tue Jan 28 17:07:49 2003 From: anarcat at anarcat.ath.cx (The Anarcat) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:07:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't access private archives when changing default lang In-Reply-To: <15925.51945.141734.260620@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <20030126182045.GA36798@lenny.anarcat.ath.cx> <15925.51945.141734.260620@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20030128160748.GA1360@xtanbul> On lun jan 27, 2003 at 07:12:25 -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > > >>>>> "TA" == The Anarcat writes: > > TA> That said, I think I found a bug. Recently, I changed the > TA> default language of two private lists to "fran?ais" (french) > TA> and suddenly, I couldn't login the private archives. And > TA> actually, the form in /mailman/private/inso-tech/ is > TA> completely unuseable. > > This was caused by a bug in the French template private.html. Fixed > in CVS. Hmm.. This doesn't seem to solve my problem. I have the same behavior as before, when applying this patch: --- private.html.orig Sat Jan 18 23:59:54 2003 +++ private.html Mon Jan 27 19:35:46 2003 @@ -7,9 +7,9 @@
%(message)s - +
- And actually, by a diff with the english version, you can see the following absurdity: --- private.html Mon Jan 27 19:35:46 2003 +++ ../en/private.html Sat Jan 18 23:59:51 2003 @@ -1,45 +1,43 @@ - Authentifi:cation pour l'accès aux archives privées de -%(realname)s + %(realname)s Private Archives Authentication - - + %(message)s
+ Authentification pour l'accès aux archives privées de %(realname)s
...that is, the form is empty in french!! :) I suggest just removing that there, it fixes everything. Thanks! A. From cies at showroommama.nl Mon Jan 27 17:25:42 2003 From: cies at showroommama.nl (Cies) Date: 27 Jan 2003 17:25:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stupid question Message-ID: <1043684749.2037.31.camel@builder.mama> Hi, sorry fot the stupid question but i can't figure how to sent email with mailman: How do i post it? Do i have to mail it to the mailman? Or can i submit a mailinglist message through a web interface? (Where do i put the content of the mailinglist message?) I read (and reread) the FAQ and the manuals. I must have overlooked something ... Regards, Cies. From gmartin at ets.org Mon Jan 27 20:47:06 2003 From: gmartin at ets.org (Martin, Greg (CSC)) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:47:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install issue Message-ID: <018664072781D51180290002A513B3A45DEC65@rosnt77.ets.org> I'm running the latest mailman install on Slackware 8.1 & Sendmail 8.12.4. I'vve run the install, following the INSTALL & README as close as possible. I've run configure with the follwing options: ./configure --with-mailhost=myhost.mydomain.org --withurlhost=www.mydomain.org --with-cgi-gid=apache --with-mail-gid=mailman (have also used daemon) I've created a list and the initial message is sent OK. But a message to firstlist at mydomain.org return the following error. My search of the web has been fruitless. I'm not sure how to configure sendmail to run scripts under a particular group. Any thought? \\Greg The original message was received at Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:32:51 -0500 ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post firstlist" (reason: 2) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mail", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "daemon". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mail", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=daemon'. 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2 ************************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may contain privileged or confidential information. It is solely for use by the individual for whom it is intended, even if addressed incorrectly. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender; do not disclose, copy, distribute, or take any action in reliance on the contents of this information; and delete it from your system. Any other use of this e-mail is prohibited. Thank you for your compliance. From marcin at owsiany.pl Tue Jan 28 01:40:53 2003 From: marcin at owsiany.pl (Marcin Owsiany) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 01:40:53 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fiddling with pending messages In-Reply-To: <15925.52384.60912.8287@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <20030124181201.GA19523@melina.ds14.agh.edu.pl> <004601c2c4c1$643ac2e0$1501a8c0@anncons2> <20030125224814.GA18797@melina.ds14.agh.edu.pl> <15925.52384.60912.8287@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20030128004053.GA14871@melina.ds14.agh.edu.pl> On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 07:19:44PM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > > >>>>> "MO" == Marcin Owsiany writes: > > MO> I just wasn't sure if the .db file wouldn't become corrupt > MO> after I modify/delete the .txt files. But it seems OK. > > Yes, Mailman 2.1 will log a message about missing .txt files and then > just evict those entries from the .db file. So it'll be robust > against doing things that way. Actually I'm using Mailman 2.0.11 (Debian woody), but it did fine anyway. Thanks for such a nice piece of software :-) Marcin -- Marcin Owsiany http://marcin.owsiany.pl/ GnuPG: 1024D/60F41216 FE67 DA2D 0ACA FC5E 3F75 D6F6 3A0D 8AA0 60F4 1216 "Every program in development at MIT expands until it can read mail." -- Unknown From mikedean at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 28 16:00:10 2003 From: mikedean at ntlworld.com (Mike Dean) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:00:10 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing problems Message-ID: <000a01c2c6dd$f4a15100$f6b86051@mikexigstaz4t0> Dear Mailman I wonder if you could get back to me at your convenience and let me know whether one of your products would handle a problem I have encountered. I work with a UK reg. Charity charged with handling an 'e-zine' for a group of around 650 legal professionals. Yesterday we sent a 'welcome' mail to that list using the email list function of our Raq4 server, but one of the recipients had an autoresponder configured which sent a mail back to the list saying "im not in...". Unfortunately, her being a member of that list, along with the other 600 members she received her own response back, to which her computer obviously replied with a further "Im not in..." message. Then she got this one back, and replied again, ad nauseum. Within an hour the server buckled under the weight of what we conservatively guess to be around 33,000 emails, and our phone lines melted under the weight of all the other recipients who were getting this "im not in,,," message dozens of times an hour. Having deleted the email list and gradually purged the system of all the mails still queuing, we have conceded we need a more professional system for these mass mailings, hence my email to you. I need some software that will allow only certain individuals within a list to respond to it, any others being discarded, or having some other method of moderating problems such as this I would appreciate your comments at your leisure Mike Dean --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/2002 From rcarsey at monmouth.edu Mon Jan 27 18:00:25 2003 From: rcarsey at monmouth.edu (Robert Carsey) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:00:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] exceeding max message size Message-ID: <000001c2c625$969a0100$380c010a@monmouth.edu> What happens when a user submits a message greater than the list's maximum message size? We've been using majordomo for a very long time - however, we have some users who don't understand they can't send messages larger than xxx KB. Majordomo sends a bounce to the list owner - however, it would be _A LOT_ nicer, in our situation, to send the same message to the sender of the message as well. Does mailman do this? -robert From reinhard.proessler at hamur.hanjin.com Tue Jan 28 11:33:13 2003 From: reinhard.proessler at hamur.hanjin.com (Reinhard Proessler) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:33:13 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] D_elivery N_otifications and B_ounces Message-ID: Hello dear Listmembers, i found a problem with our wonderfull running mailman lists: We get some EDI Notifications with the Subject: DELIVERY NOTIFICATION and similar. This Mails reach our machine and mailman puts them in to archivefiles, but they never appear in the recipients mailbox. I think mailman has eaten this mail. How can i configure that some sender can send what they want and nothing will be blocked. Only from special domains or senders. Any suggestions? B.Rgds RPr Reinhard Proessler, Hanjin Shipping ::: EDP/Telecommunikation ::: Admiralitaetsstr. 56, 20459 Hamburg ::: Tel.: 0049 40 37685 443 mailto://reinhard.proessler at hamur.hanjin.com From warriorx1 at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 27 23:56:28 2003 From: warriorx1 at sbcglobal.net (warriorx1) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:56:28 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message-ID: <000601c2c657$5451da20$82288c42@warrior> i couldn't find this in the user manual or the faq.... are there email commands that you can send to Mailman lists instead of using the web? like for example sending an email to the list then putting the subject as -subscribe... or unsubscribe etc... i've seen other stuff like that for other lists... just wondering if there's a list of commands for Mailman lists. thanks for any info you can provide! frankie I hate autocorrect!!!! From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 28 19:20:14 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 28 Jan 2003 18:20:14 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] editing HTML In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1043778018.1616.80.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> What version of Mailman are you using? In version 2.1 the backgrounds seem to be set in the templates. In version 2.0 the backgrounds seem to be set in the CGI's, but they are very easy to edit. Go to the directory: ~mailman/Mailman/Cgi and do a "grep bgcolor *" Feel free to edit the subscribe.py file to change the bgcolor parameter in there. HtH - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 17:23, delilah at seyyav.pair.com wrote: > I checked subscribe.html in ~mailman/templates, it only containes: > > more subscribe.html > > > <MM-List-Name> Subscription results > >

Subscription results

> > > > > > The tags tags that are causeing problems are showing up as: > > > > > BODY bgcolor="#ffffff"> > > > <MM-List-Name> Subscription results > >

Subscription results

> > > > > > Something is putting the tags there regardless of what is in the template > file of how it is edited via the web interface. > > Sean > > On 28 Jan 2003, Jon Carnes wrote: > > > You could edit the templates directly in: > > ~mailman/templates > > > > On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 14:02, delilah at seyyav.pair.com wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm using mailman 2.0.6 and having trouble editing the HTML for the > > > subscriber confirmation page. I've made the changes via the edit html > > > section of the admin interface. The problem is with setting the bgcolor > > > tag for the page. Any changes I make get over written with the following > > > tags that are automatically added to the page when I access it via my > > > browser: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I try to set bgcolor as > > > > > > > > > > > > but it doesn't work, the page still shows up white. > > > > > > Is there are way to work around this? > > > > > > Sean > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > > > > > From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 28 19:30:07 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 28 Jan 2003 18:30:07 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install issue In-Reply-To: <018664072781D51180290002A513B3A466B5A1@rosnt77.ets.org> References: <018664072781D51180290002A513B3A466B5A1@rosnt77.ets.org> Message-ID: <1043778611.1610.86.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Check out FAQ 3.14, Sendmail is set to run as a user and a group, look in the Sendmail.cf file for the UserID/GroupID that it uses when running. Make sure that group exists in /etc/group and is unique. Configure mailman to expect that GID from the Mail server (./configure --with-mail-gid=mail ..) Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 17:47, Martin, Greg (CSC) wrote: > I'm running the latest mailman install on Slackware 8.1 & Sendmail 8.12.4. > I've run the install, following the INSTALL & README as close as possible. > I've run configure with the following options: > > ./configure --with-mailhost=myhost.mydomain.org > --withurlhost=www.mydomain.org --with-cgi-gid=apache --with-mail-gid=mailman > (have also used daemon) > > I've created a list and the initial message is sent OK. But a message to > firstlist at mydomain.org return the following error. My search of the web has > been fruitless. I'm not sure how to configure sendmail to run scripts under > a particular group. > > Any thought? > > \\Greg <\\Greg> > > The original message was received at Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:32:51 -0500 > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post firstlist" > (reason: 2) > (expanded from: ) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail > wrapper script to be executed as group "mail", but > the system's mail server executed the mail script as > group "daemon". Try tweaking the mail server to run the > script as group "mail", or re-run configure, > providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=daemon'. > 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2 > > > > > > > ************************************************************************** > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may contain privileged or > confidential information. It is solely for use by the individual for whom > it is intended, even if addressed incorrectly. If you received this e-mail > in error, please notify the sender; do not disclose, copy, distribute, or > take any action in reliance on the contents of this information; and delete > it from your system. Any other use of this e-mail is prohibited. Thank you > for your compliance. > > > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From lists at monkeez.co.uk Tue Jan 28 19:32:09 2003 From: lists at monkeez.co.uk (Adam) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:32:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and sendmail... In-Reply-To: <1043770753.1615.44.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <1043743614.3e36437e775d4@webmail.monkeez.co.uk> <1043770753.1615.44.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <1043778729.3e36cca948928@webmail.monkeez.co.uk> Jon, thanks for the ideas. However, I can't see how sendmail is failing. It works fine with pine (even has a hostname here) with /etc/hosts, /etc/mail/local-mail-hosts both reflecting the domain name. It really seems to have no normal problems, until used in conjunction with mailman. Thanks again, adam Quoting Jon Carnes : > Hmm, You've got some real sendmail problems. You might want to > consult > that list or the FAQ's from http://www.sendmail.org > > You need to set your hostname properly. You can set it via the > hostname > command, but it's better if its in your servers configuration files. > Also, make sure that your hostname is in your /etc/hosts file and it's > ip is identified properly. > > You can edit /etc/sendmail.cf and set the hostname inside there (if > the > hostname you want it to use is not the default, but resolves to your > box > anyway). You also need to edit /etc/sendmail.cf or one of the > /etc/mail > files to alert Sendmail as to which domains are local (so it should > accept traffic for those domains as being local). > > As an aside, I don't like the way your RPM of Mailman installed and > expected a no-group when using the MTA. After you get your Sendmail > install working properly you should consider downloading the Mailman > from source and installing via: > ./configure --with-mail-gid=78 > make install > > Jon Carnes > > On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 08:46, Adam wrote: > > I've been trying to get through these problems on my own for a while - > using the > > searchable mailling list (thanks for that guys). However, I've still > got problems. > > > > I'm using mandrake 9 with mailman installed from rpm, with sendmail > 8.12.7 > > installed from source. I seemed to have managed to get sendmail > working (with > > appropriate aliases) but it doesn't have NEWDB installed (I've > config'ed the > > aliases file myself). > > > > The first problem was my confirmation mails bouncing back to the user > with > > Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid 78. (Reconfigure to > take 78?) > > 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2 > > > > But I changed the gid of mailnull to 65534 and the bouncing stopped. > > > > > However, now I get on my mailman server those confirmation messages to > postmaster: > > > > The original message was received at Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:02:06 GMT > > from localhost > > with id h0RL26TX025349 > > > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > > (reason: 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed > rcpthosts (#5.7.1)) > > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > > ... while talking to deepthought.34sp.com.: > > >>> DATA > > <<< 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts > (#5.7.1) > > 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown > > <<< 503 RCPT first (#5.5.1) > > > > Also, where do I configure the domain name for Mailman? At the moment > the > > default seems to be localhost.localdomain. > > > > Can anyone guide me through this? > > > > I'd appreciate some helpful advice here - thanks very much in advance. > > > > > adam > > > > -- > > GPG public key:- > > www.monkeez.co.uk/public_key.asc > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > -------------------------------- GPG public key:- www.monkeez.co.uk/public_key.asc From lagosr at hotmail.com Tue Jan 28 19:43:09 2003 From: lagosr at hotmail.com (Rodrigo Lagos) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:43:09 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] create a new list (web interface) + qmailaliases Message-ID: Thats a good idea, the other bit here is that i need to create the .qmail aliases based on domain, looking at the directory listing will not get me the information of what domain this list belongs to. any other ideas? --rodrigo > >How about using a small script that is kicked off every 5 minutes via a >cron job? > >Something like this (that looks at the last time the ~mailman/lists >directory was modified)... > > LDT1=`ls -ld /usr/local/mailman/lists` > LDT2=`cat /usr/local/mailman/checklist LDT 2>/dev/null` > if [ "$LDT1" = "$LDT2" ]; then exit 0 ; fi > # if the listing for the ~mailman/lists directory > # hasn't changed then no lists have been created or deleted > insert your script commands here... > ... > >Good Luck - Jon Carnes > > >On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 20:23, Rodrigo Lagos wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have Mailman 2.1 installed running with qmail, i have been using the > > Mailman+qmail configuration for a while, but just now making the upgrade >to > > MM 2.1. > > I was very happy to see the "create a new mailing list" in the admin >page. I > > have it all working with virtual domains, and its great. > > I do have one question. Is there a way to use the create cgi to also >kick > > off creation of .qmail aliases for that list, maybe from create.py? i >have > > a small shell script that creates the aliases, but don't know how to >kick > > off the script after the list has been created from the same process. > > Anyone done this ?? > > ideas? > > thanks > > --rodrigo > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 28 19:44:30 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 28 Jan 2003 18:44:30 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] text only in attachment -Noob.Q In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1043779474.1615.99.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 03:37, Keith Mastin wrote: > >Can you include a sample email to the list? > >I'm curious if the problem is the Content Filter (look in the > >web-admin). > > > >Jon Carnes > > Web-admin? How would I look there, do you mean on the stuff we see in > a browser, or in the code that makes the page? The "stuff" we see in a browser. Particularly the "stuff" that we see in a browser that lets us configure our mailing lists. ... Interesting. What does the message look like before it goes through Mailman? From kmastin at beechtree.ca Tue Jan 28 20:12:51 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:12:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer? In-Reply-To: <20030128065607.F29271-100000@phred.org> Message-ID: >One benefit to using Exchange 2000 as your outbound MTA is that it >works very well with batching. > >I have my Exchange setup to allow 500 recipients per message. Mailman >is also configured to send 500 recipients per message. As a result >all 55 aol.com, 65 yahoo.com, or 51 hotmail.com recipients on my >largest list are send to Exchange on the same message. Exchange can >send a single message to handle all of those recipients instead of >sending 5 or 10 as would occur when using the recommended batching of >10 recipients per message for postfix and other popular Unix-based >MTAs. What exactly are the parameters you set in postfix to do this? I'm asking because it seems to me that you set it up without reading the docs if this is happening. >Exchange 2000 has no problem sending the same message to multiple >domains at the same time. The remote deliver agent on most Unix MTAs >can only send to one domain at a time so if you set the batching to >500 then you single thread your delivery and it can take forever for >messages to get out. "Most UNIX MTAs"? Hmm... How about sitting down to do a one-on-one bench test against a postfix box? Say, 50,000 deliveries to 500 domains? You chose them. I'll even give you this: use any hardware you want. I'll set up postfix on a P133 with 98MB EDO RAM and a 10MB Legacy Network card. We'll use the same Internet connection. If either system barfs, it's out of the game, okay? >Note that you can use Windows 2000 SMTP server instead of Exchange for >this. The code is exactly the same, Windows 2000 is just missing >other parts of the mail system and some of the administrative tools. > >I talked to Ralf offline about his comments yesterday. All of the >issues that he brought up were about Exchange 5.5. Exchange 2000 >replaced that with a much newer MTA almost three years ago. And it's still immature, still getting almost daily patches against one security vulnerability or another, still shares memory and blows it's stack under pressure. Windoh$ is good for one thing and one thing only, IMHO: It keeps people employed just keeping it "kind of" running. In contrast, the maintenance on my mailserver is done with a vacuum cleaner to get the dust off the fan. But hey- if you like Exchange, fill yer boots! From JAS at GoColumbiaMO.com Tue Jan 28 20:38:46 2003 From: JAS at GoColumbiaMO.com (Jeff Schoby) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:38:46 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] allow html email but not file attachments? Message-ID: Since HTML email is a mime encoded email, how do I set up a list to filter out file attachements but not HTML email? (Mailman n00b admin here) :) -Jeff ------------------------------------------ Jeff Schoby - Unix Admin City of Columbia, Missouri jas at ci.columbia.mo.us 573.874.6320 From kmastin at beechtree.ca Tue Jan 28 21:02:38 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:02:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] text only in attachment -Noob.Q In-Reply-To: <1043779474.1615.99.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: >On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 03:37, Keith Mastin wrote: >> >Can you include a sample email to the list? >> >I'm curious if the problem is the Content Filter (look in the >> >web-admin). >> > >> >Jon Carnes >> >> Web-admin? How would I look there, do you mean on the stuff we see in >> a browser, or in the code that makes the page? > >The "stuff" we see in a browser. Particularly the "stuff" that we see >in a browser that lets us configure our mailing lists. Okay, that clarifies it. I was scared you were gonna have me go at setting up webmin or something like it >Interesting. What does the message look like before it goes through >Mailman? To: members at mcleodlake.com CC: BCC: Subject: test Priority: High Normal Low Receipt: On read On Delivery test -- Mcleod Lake Indian Band webmaster http://www.mcleodlake.com Attach: From paul at ovro.caltech.edu Tue Jan 28 20:52:02 2003 From: paul at ovro.caltech.edu (Paul Daniel) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:52:02 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] stuped with postfix Message-ID: <20030128115202.A15415@mojave.ovro.caltech.edu> Greetings: I'm trying to get mailman 2.1 to work with postfix 2.0.2 on RedHat 7.2. I am able to create lists and add subscribers using the mass-subscription but list owners and subscribers are never sent emails. postfix dosen't seem to have an issue; /var/log/maillog has no errors. Trying to subscribe as an individual via the web interface appears to work but entries in mailman/logs/subscribe are always labled as "pending". postfix was created with gid=postdrop and default_privs set to 'mailman' in /etc/postfix/main.cf mailman was configured --with-mail-gid=mailman Has anyone a canned recipe for mailman/postfix? Thanks in advance, -- Paul Daniel paul at ovro.caltech.edu 760.938.2075 ext 130 From b.vergondy at approche.net Mon Jan 27 18:26:33 2003 From: b.vergondy at approche.net (b.vergondy at approche.net) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:26:33 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and mysql ??? Message-ID: <042a01c2c629$3e64fe00$0301a8c0@bartpc> hello, what the programmation for link mailman to mysql database ??? or is it possible ? thank for your help... From jam at jamux.com Tue Jan 28 19:54:47 2003 From: jam at jamux.com (John A. Martin) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:54:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer? In-Reply-To: <20030128163243.GC21787@charite.de> (Ralf Hildebrandt's message of "Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:32:43 +0100") References: <20030128080600.O29271-100000@phred.org> <20030128163243.GC21787@charite.de> Message-ID: <87fzrd9kaw.fsf@athene.jamux.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> "Ralf" == Ralf Hildebrandt >>>>> "Re: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer?" >>>>> Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:32:43 +0100 Ralf> * alex wetmore : >> The Mailman FAQ still recommends setting MAX_SMTP_RCPTS to 10 >> for performance reasons, but doesn't explain why. Ralf> This should definitely go! We have the following. ,----[ grep 'SMTP_MAX_RCPTS =' /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py ] | SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500 `---- And the FAQ recommends reducing that? Ralf> Postfix uses: Ralf> default_recipient_limit = 10000 Ralf> # max. of 10000 Recipients per single mail Ralf> smtp_destination_recipient_limit = Ralf> $default_destination_recipient_limit Ralf> # max. number of recipients to be sent over smtp this should Ralf> # be increased for a mailing list server Hmmm.. Postfix 2.0.3 gives: ,----[ /usr/sbin/postconf -d|egrep '(concurrency|recipient)_limit' ] | default_destination_concurrency_limit = 20 | default_destination_recipient_limit = 50 | default_extra_recipient_limit = 1000 | default_recipient_limit = 10000 | extract_recipient_limit = 10240 | local_destination_concurrency_limit = 2 | local_destination_recipient_limit = 1 | qmgr_message_recipient_limit = 20000 | smtp_destination_concurrency_limit = $default_destination_concurrency_limit | smtp_destination_recipient_limit = $default_destination_recipient_limit | smtpd_recipient_limit = 1000 `---- IIRC 50 was chosen as the default_destination_recipient_limit default because too many mailers balk or choke on more. Do you remember differently? Or, do you actually see many SMTP listeners willing to swallow 10,000 recipients? Ralf> And on the receiving side Postfix's smtpd accepts 1000 Ralf> recipients. Which should be increased for a mailing list Ralf> server as well if you inject via SMTP (which is fastest!) FWIW, in unfamiliar surroundings I would be inclined to use SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1000 in Mailman/mm_cfg.py, double the 500 in Mailman/Defaults.py, as a starting value before tweaking the Postfix limits. jam -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQE+NtHeUEvv1b/iXy8RAphlAKCaM3NUpZndaPXxho7sGwHMWjx1HwCeL6UJ vlqAOi6rS4n94EwZRyhsnFo= =+ESG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sarah.baker at cs.cmu.edu Tue Jan 28 20:59:03 2003 From: sarah.baker at cs.cmu.edu (Sarah Baker) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:59:03 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuration assistance - virtual host? Message-ID: <020901c2c707$b54cc140$ba01000a@west.cmu.edu> I've read recent discussion and outline of the virtual hosting feature. But it's not 100% clear to me it will work to reach my goal. Mail in my land all only comes to a central server foo.org who then directs mail to several servers (ie server1.foo.org, server2.foo.org, etc) using virtual user tables. For example address1 at foo.org goes to address1 at server1.foo.org address2 at foo.org goes to address2 at server2.foo.org I want Mailman to play in this environment such that list at foo.org goes to list at mailmanserver.foo.org via virtual user table on foo.org and the list on mailmainserver.foo.org uses the list at foo.org name in mail headers, and the web pages reflect it without hand editting each page, etc. Will virtual hosting met my requirements? I get the impression it will, but before I go off and try to set it up - I thought to check in. Any gotchas? - Sarah Baker Carnegie Mellon University - West 650-603-7014 From fredcool at inode.at Tue Jan 28 21:37:31 2003 From: fredcool at inode.at (Alfred) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:37:31 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] email in TO: field Message-ID: <001801c2c70d$15149d50$030aa8c0@visemaho> Hi, i am a newbie in mailman and have a problem in my configuration: i setup mailman (2.0.13 under RedHat 8.0) without any problems and it run ok but when i send a message to the list every mail goes out as "bulk" email, i like to send out the messages with the right emailadress in TO: field i can not find something in the mailman configuration to disable "bulk" in TO: field there is now list at HOSTNAME HOSTNAME = the hostname which is set in /etc/hosts i like to run 2 lists with different hostnames, i setup every list correct but in the TO: field there is ever the HOSTNAME thanks for your help Alfred ps. sorry for my bad english From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Tue Jan 28 21:39:49 2003 From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 20:39:49 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer? Message-ID: <69308F5141509946826E3347F3A711E838BB@jiggaman.raw-talent.hopto.org> Thanks you guys!!! I have read all your comments about using exchange 2k as my relay, and I can see the pros, and cons of such a job. My mailman box, uses Postfix, and apparently, as mention in this thread postfix can open multiple connections to the same domain, which would be brilliant, as long as I can check to configure it. Exchange, does the same thing. I have a 1/2 meg connection to the internet, so I guess that's not too bad. I've also been directed at a link that I may like to try, to add local cacheing on my mailman box. What I will do, is test all configurations, and see which one kicks ass, I mean works the best! -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+badmangabriel=lycos.co.uk at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+badmangabriel=lycos.co.uk at python.org]On Behalf Of alex wetmore Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:10 PM To: Jonathan Knight Cc: mailman-users at python.org; alex at ph.st1.spray.net Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer? On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Jonathan Knight wrote: > > > Exchange can > > > send a single message to handle all of those recipients instead of > > > sending 5 or 10 as would occur when using the recommended batching of > > > 10 recipients per message for postfix and other popular Unix-based > > > MTAs > > This is not true for postfix > > That's not true for exim either. It's a configurable option so that those > MTA's which refuse messages with more than X recipients (to avoid some spam) > can be catered for. Exim can be configured with different limits for > different domains > > > > Exchange 2000 has no problem sending the same message to multiple > > > domains at the same time. The remote deliver agent on most Unix MTAs > > > can only send to one domain at a time > > > > This is not true for postfix > > Nor for exim. It's a configurable option Sorry for the misinformation. I was going by some information that I learned on this list about two years ago stating that setting MAX_SMTP_RCPTS to between 5 and 10 will increase parallelism with the MTA Will exim and postfix both open multiple connections to a remote domain when there are many recipients for that domain on a single message? The Mailman FAQ still recommends setting MAX_SMTP_RCPTS to 10 for performance reasons, but doesn't explain why alex ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/badmangabriel%40lyc os.co.uk From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 28 21:42:22 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 28 Jan 2003 20:42:22 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stupid question In-Reply-To: <1043684749.2037.31.camel@builder.mama> References: <1043684749.2037.31.camel@builder.mama> Message-ID: <1043786546.1610.118.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> If Mailman is installed and everything is working, then you create a new list (you can do this from the web-interface in version 2.1). log directly into your server and type: ~mailman/bin/newlist This will print out a list of "aliases" that need to be copied into the /etc/aliases file on your system. After you have copied those into your /etc/aliases file, run: newaliases Now you have created a list. To add someone to the new list, you login via the web-admin and add email addresses to the list. To send an email to this list, use the list name you created as the email address (the domain will be the host name of the server running Mailman: @myserver.mydomain.com Take care - Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 16:25, Cies wrote: > Hi, > > sorry fot the stupid question but i can't figure how to sent email with > mailman: How do i post it? Do i have to mail it to the mailman? Or can i > submit a mailinglist message through a web interface? > > (Where do i put the content of the mailinglist message?) > > I read (and reread) the FAQ and the manuals. I must have overlooked > something ... > > Regards, > Cies. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 28 21:44:13 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 28 Jan 2003 20:44:13 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and sendmail... In-Reply-To: <1043778729.3e36cca948928@webmail.monkeez.co.uk> References: <1043743614.3e36437e775d4@webmail.monkeez.co.uk> <1043770753.1615.44.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <1043778729.3e36cca948928@webmail.monkeez.co.uk> Message-ID: <1043786657.1610.121.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> That being the case, check out FAQ 3.14 which covers the most common reasons for mail not going out to list. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 18:32, Adam wrote: > Jon, thanks for the ideas. However, I can't see how sendmail is failing. It > works fine with pine (even has a hostname here) > with /etc/hosts, /etc/mail/local-mail-hosts both reflecting the domain name. It > really seems to have no normal problems, until used in conjunction with > mailman. > > Thanks again, > > adam > From ssharma at odc.net Tue Jan 28 22:21:10 2003 From: ssharma at odc.net (Ajay Sharma) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:21:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and mysql ??? In-Reply-To: <042a01c2c629$3e64fe00$0301a8c0@bartpc> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 b.vergondy at approche.net wrote: > what the programmation for link mailman to mysql database ??? or is it > possible ? It's supposed to be possible with the new mailman 2.1 but the "adapter" code hasn't been written yet (AFAIK). Recently the LDAP adapter was release so that might be an option until the SQL one is put out. You can also try a different mailing program like Sympa that does have support for SQL databases. I'm going to move one of my smaller lists over to that and give it a shot. later, ajay -------------------------------------------------------------------- Satyajot (Ajay) Sharma ssharma at odc.net -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 28 23:02:35 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 28 Jan 2003 22:02:35 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] In-Reply-To: <000601c2c657$5451da20$82288c42@warrior> References: <000601c2c657$5451da20$82288c42@warrior> Message-ID: <1043791358.1615.142.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Send an email to one of your lists: -request at your.domain.com (or to Mailman-Users-request at python.org) and put "help" in the subject. You will get back a message from Mailman detailing most of the email commands. They are mostly identical to those used by Majordomo. Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 22:56, warriorx1 wrote: > i couldn't find this in the user manual or the faq.... are there email > commands that you can send to Mailman lists instead of using the web? > like for example sending an email to the list then putting the subject > as -subscribe... or unsubscribe etc... i've seen other stuff like that > for other lists... just wondering if there's a list of commands for > Mailman lists. > thanks for any info you can provide! > > frankie > > I hate autocorrect!!!! > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us Tue Jan 28 23:21:22 2003 From: dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us (Parker, David K) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:21:22 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade from 2.0x to 2.1 Message-ID: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC996@cobxchg.cobnet.org> I've done as you suggested but I keep getting the following messages every few minutes: Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner Body: /usr/bin/python: can't open file '/var/mailman/cron/qrunner' Here are the contents of the crontab.in file # At 8AM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests. # They are less likely to ignore these reminders if they're mailed # early in the morning, but of course, this is local time... ;) 0 8 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/checkdbs # # At 9AM, send notifications to disabled members that are due to be # reminded to re-enable their accounts. 0 9 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/disabled # # Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold delivery. 0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/senddigests # # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders. 0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/mailpasswds # # Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail. You can comment this one out # if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right now, # or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling. 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/gate_news # # At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file. Only # turn this on if the internal archiver is used and # GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py 27 3 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip Thanks, David -----Original Message----- From: John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 8:22 AM To: Parker, David K Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org' Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade from 2.0x to 2.1 David, This will get your cron jobs reset. Remember, they are running as user 'mailman'. as root or mailman user, run: crontab -u mailman -r crontab -u mailman mailman_dir/cron/crontab.in The first command will remove all the mailman cron jobs. The second will put in just the 2.1 cron jobs. Note that your "mailman_dir" may be /var/local/mailman (or something else), instead of the default source install of /usr/local/mailman. Parker, David K wrote: > I'm getting errors generated after upgrading from 2.0x to 2.1. I think > its related to Cfron jobs being scheduled to run. Both installs of > Mailman were done via RPM. I'm guessing that the latest RPM didn't > take care of the Cron jobs? Any hints on cleaning this up? I've been > through the UPGRADE doc. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us Tue Jan 28 23:27:06 2003 From: dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us (Parker, David K) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:27:06 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade from 2.0x to 2.1 Message-ID: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC997@cobxchg.cobnet.org> Hmmm, the earlier RPM install must be running cron jobs as a different user? I've removed crontab entries for mailman but the messages are still flowing. How can trace this back to the correct user? Thanks, David -----Original Message----- From: Parker, David K Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:21 PM To: 'John DeCarlo'; Parker, David K Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org' Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade from 2.0x to 2.1 I've done as you suggested but I keep getting the following messages every few minutes: Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner Body: /usr/bin/python: can't open file '/var/mailman/cron/qrunner' Here are the contents of the crontab.in file # At 8AM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests. # They are less likely to ignore these reminders if they're mailed # early in the morning, but of course, this is local time... ;) 0 8 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/checkdbs # # At 9AM, send notifications to disabled members that are due to be # reminded to re-enable their accounts. 0 9 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/disabled # # Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold delivery. 0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/senddigests # # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders. 0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/mailpasswds # # Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail. You can comment this one out # if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right now, # or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling. 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/gate_news # # At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file. Only # turn this on if the internal archiver is used and # GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py 27 3 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip Thanks, David -----Original Message----- From: John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 8:22 AM To: Parker, David K Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org' Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade from 2.0x to 2.1 David, This will get your cron jobs reset. Remember, they are running as user 'mailman'. as root or mailman user, run: crontab -u mailman -r crontab -u mailman mailman_dir/cron/crontab.in The first command will remove all the mailman cron jobs. The second will put in just the 2.1 cron jobs. Note that your "mailman_dir" may be /var/local/mailman (or something else), instead of the default source install of /usr/local/mailman. Parker, David K wrote: > I'm getting errors generated after upgrading from 2.0x to 2.1. I think > its related to Cfron jobs being scheduled to run. Both installs of > Mailman were done via RPM. I'm guessing that the latest RPM didn't > take care of the Cron jobs? Any hints on cleaning this up? I've been > through the UPGRADE doc. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Tue Jan 28 23:44:24 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:44:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2nd request: migrating a list from 1.1 to 2.1 hosts? In-Reply-To: <650919375.1043743761@[192.168.254.79]>; from tneff@grassyhill.org on Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 08:49:21AM -0500 References: <650919375.1043743761@[192.168.254.79]> Message-ID: <20030128174424.C16456@dogpound.vnet.net> * Tom Neff (tneff at grassyhill.org) wrote: > There seem to be some other threads capturing people's attention, but Barry > has logged in and sent mail a couple of times :), so I'm assuming this fell > through the cracks. > > I have some lists on a host running MM1.1, and a new host running MM2.1. I > need to move the 1.1 lists over to the new host. Is there a robust way to > do this? -[ From mailman-2.1/UPGRADING ]- UPGRADING FROM 1.x to 2.x In addition to the instructions above, I highly recommend that you make sure your Mailman queue is cleared /before/ upgrading. Mailman version 1.x had a cron script called run_queue which was part of its bulk mailer. With Mailman 2.x there is no default bulk mailer (it lets the MTA handle this), and it is currently unknown what the effects of upgrading are on the run_queue script, but I'll bet it's not good. :) The way to make sure that your Mailman queue is empty is to look in your $prefix/data directory. If you see any files that start with "mm_q." you've still got messages waiting on the queue. You can run $prefix/cron/run_queue by hand until the queue is cleared. Multiple invocations of this script won't help though; they lock each other out. Also, be warned that clearing the queue can take a while and may cause a large load on your system (two reasons why all this stuff has been redesigned in 2.x :). You do not need to run "make update" if you are upgrading from version 1.0 or 1.1 to version 2.0, since this is now run automatically when you do a "make install". However you should modify your crontab entries to execute cron/qrunner instead of cron/run_queue. You can also safely remove the file $prefix/cron/run_queue. If you are upgrading from a pre-1.0 beta, you need to follow the instructions below. -[ End Section ]- The rest of the doc is a good read. It's not there just to make the tarball bigger. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Where would we be without rhetorical questions? From dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us Wed Jan 29 00:01:45 2003 From: dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us (Parker, David K) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:01:45 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm Message-ID: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC999@cobxchg.cobnet.org> I've been fighting problems after upgrading Mailman 2.0x to 2.1-1 using mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm. I'm making headway but now mailmanctl terminates with the following error: # /etc/rc.d/init.d/mailmanctl start Traceback (most recent call last): File "/etc/rc.d/init.d/mailmanctl", line 104, in ? import paths ImportError: No module named paths I'm thinking that something strange is happening with Python. Python versions 1.5x and 2.2x are installed. I noticed Mailman requires Python 2.x to run. (Interstingly enough, mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm reports to require python and not python2.) I have packages that require both versions of Python. If I run "python -V" it indicates version 2. I'm almost at a point where I've either got to scrap mailman completely and revert to an earlier rpm or install clean from source. Any suggestions would be appreciated. [root at mailgate lists]# rpm -q python python-1.5.2-38 [root at mailgate lists]# rpm -q python2 python2-2.2-16 [root at mailgate lists]# python -V Python 2.2 [root at mailgate bin]# ls python* -la -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 875272 Jan 25 18:38 python -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 875272 Jan 25 18:38 python1.5 -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 875272 Apr 12 2002 python2 -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 875272 Apr 12 2002 python2.2 [root at mailgate lists]# rpm -q --whatrequires python Distutils-1.0.2-2 PyXML-0.7-4 4Suite-0.11.1-8 pygtk-0.6.9-3 python-popt-0.8.8-7.x.2 python-clap-1.0.0-3 python-xmlrpc-1.5.1-7.x.3 rpm-python-4.0.4-7x.18 redhat-config-network-1.0.0-1 bindconf-1.6.3-1 rhn_register-2.8.27-1.7.3 up2date-2.8.39-1.7.3 python-devel-1.5.2-38 mailman-2.1-1 [root at mailgate lists]# rpm -q --whatrequires python2 pygtk2-1.99.8-7 redhat-config-users-1.0.1-5 Thanks, David Parker Systems/Network Administrator Information Technology Services City of Bryan, Texas From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Jan 29 00:05:32 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:05:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing problems In-Reply-To: <000a01c2c6dd$f4a15100$f6b86051@mikexigstaz4t0>; from mikedean@ntlworld.com on Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 03:00:10PM -0000 References: <000a01c2c6dd$f4a15100$f6b86051@mikexigstaz4t0> Message-ID: <20030128180532.D16456@dogpound.vnet.net> * Mike Dean (mikedean at ntlworld.com) wrote: > Dear Mailman > I wonder if you could get back to me at your convenience and let me know > whether one of your products would handle a problem I have encountered. > I work with a UK reg. Charity charged with handling an 'e-zine' for a > group of around 650 legal professionals. Yesterday we sent a 'welcome' > mail to that list using the email list function of our Raq4 server, but > one of the recipients had an autoresponder configured which sent a mail > back to the list saying "im not in...". Unfortunately, her being a > member of that list, along with the other 600 members she received her > own response back, to which her computer obviously replied with a > further "Im not in..." message. Then she got this one back, and replied > again, ad nauseum. Within an hour the server buckled under the weight of > what we conservatively guess to be around 33,000 emails, and our phone > lines melted under the weight of all the other recipients who were > getting this "im not in,,," message dozens of times an hour. Wow. Glad to see things calmed down. > Having deleted the email list and gradually purged the system of all the > mails still queuing, we have conceded we need a more professional system > for these mass mailings, hence my email to you. I need some software > that will allow only certain individuals within a list to respond to it, > any others being discarded, or having some other method of moderating > problems such as this Mailman is an answer to most of your problems, you just need to remind people to turn not let their vacation message post to lists. After installing Mailman 2.1 (most current stable version), you will have a web administrative interface to your mailing lists. Once there you can set moderation options. There are quite a few options to set and change. Visit http://www.list.org/features.html for a list of most of the features. You can set the list to member post only, and then set the moderation flag for everyone on the list (except for thoes you want to allow thru). Then when a post is made to the list by someone that is moderated, you will get an email telling you of that post, then you have the option to Discard, Allow, Defer or Reject the message. I think you will like Mailman 2.1. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Another flight attendant's comment on a less than perfect landing: "We ask you to please remain seated as Captain Kangaroo bounces us to the terminal." From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Jan 29 00:14:08 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:14:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install Help In-Reply-To: <001c01c2c6f5$01be96b0$4f325190@etslan.org>; from greg.martin18@verizon.net on Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 12:45:05PM -0500 References: <001c01c2c6f5$01be96b0$4f325190@etslan.org> Message-ID: <20030128181408.E16456@dogpound.vnet.net> * vze1jt1m (greg.martin18 at verizon.net) wrote: [snip] > ./configure --with-mailhost=myhost.mydomain.org --withurlhost=www.mydomain.o > rg --with-cgi-gid=apache --with-mail-gid=mailman (have also used daemon) And when you tried it with daemon, what was the error message? [snip] > The original message was received at Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:32:51 -0500 > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post firstlist" > (reason: 2) > (expanded from: ) > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail > wrapper script to be executed as group "mail", but > the system's mail server executed the mail script as > group "daemon". Try tweaking the mail server to run the > script as group "mail", or re-run configure, > providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=daemon'. > 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2 -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ It's hard to make a comeback when you haven't been anywhere. From dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us Wed Jan 29 00:16:08 2003 From: dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us (Parker, David K) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:16:08 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm (Group mismatch) Message-ID: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC99D@cobxchg.cobnet.org> Ok, I figured out you cannot copy the mailmanctl script to the init.d directory. This is why mailmanctl failed to start. But, I have another stumbling block. Messages are rejected with the following: : Command died with status 2: "/var/mailman/mail/mailman request test". Command output: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mail", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "nobody". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mail", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=nobody'. -----Original Message----- From: Parker, David K Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:02 PM To: 'mailman-users at python.org' Subject: mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm I've been fighting problems after upgrading Mailman 2.0x to 2.1-1 using mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm. I'm making headway but now mailmanctl terminates with the following error: # /etc/rc.d/init.d/mailmanctl start Traceback (most recent call last): File "/etc/rc.d/init.d/mailmanctl", line 104, in ? import paths ImportError: No module named paths I'm thinking that something strange is happening with Python. Python versions 1.5x and 2.2x are installed. I noticed Mailman requires Python 2.x to run. (Interstingly enough, mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm reports to require python and not python2.) I have packages that require both versions of Python. If I run "python -V" it indicates version 2. I'm almost at a point where I've either got to scrap mailman completely and revert to an earlier rpm or install clean from source. Any suggestions would be appreciated. From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Jan 29 00:25:55 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:25:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] stuped with postfix In-Reply-To: <20030128115202.A15415@mojave.ovro.caltech.edu>; from paul@ovro.caltech.edu on Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 11:52:02AM -0800 References: <20030128115202.A15415@mojave.ovro.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <20030128182555.F16456@dogpound.vnet.net> * Paul Daniel (paul at ovro.caltech.edu) wrote: > Trying to subscribe as an individual via the web interface appears to work but > entries in mailman/logs/subscribe are always labled as "pending". Is mailmanctl running? Else check FAQ 3.14 for other problems of mail not getting to the list. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ The worst day fishing is better than the best day working. From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Jan 29 00:32:00 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:32:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm (Group mismatch) In-Reply-To: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC99D@cobxchg.cobnet.org>; from dparker@ci.bryan.tx.us on Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 05:16:08PM -0600 References: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC99D@cobxchg.cobnet.org> Message-ID: <20030128183200.G16456@dogpound.vnet.net> * Parker, David K (dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us) wrote: > Ok, I figured out you cannot copy the mailmanctl script to the init.d > directory. This is why mailmanctl failed to start. But, I have another > stumbling block. Messages are rejected with the following: > > > : Command died with status 2: > "/var/mailman/mail/mailman request test". Command output: Group mismatch > error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group > "mail", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group > "nobody". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group > "mail", > or re-run configure, providing the command line option > `--with-mail-gid=nobody'. And this is one reason I'm not a big fan of rpm's for mailman. They work for some people, but not everyone. The error description is very nice, it tells you exactly what to do. But considering you installed from an RPM, you never ran the ./configure file in the first place. You can either change the mail group on your system from 'nobody' to 'mail' or you can get the SRPM and rebuild it to use --with-mail-gid=nobody. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ To boldly go and watch Star Trek re-runs. From kmastin at beechtree.ca Wed Jan 29 01:13:18 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 19:13:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade from 2.0x to 2.1 In-Reply-To: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC996@cobxchg.cobnet.org> Message-ID: >I've done as you suggested but I keep getting the following messages every >few minutes: > >Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner >Body: /usr/bin/python: can't open file '/var/mailman/cron/qrunner' What are the persmissionf for /var/mailman/cron/qrunner? Does the file exist? Looks like root need permission to write to the file, so if it's set up with no write perms that could explain it From kmastin at beechtree.ca Wed Jan 29 01:18:16 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 19:18:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC999@cobxchg.cobnet.org> Message-ID: >I've been fighting problems after upgrading Mailman 2.0x to 2.1-1 using >mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm. I'm making headway but now mailmanctl terminates >with the following error: > ># /etc/rc.d/init.d/mailmanctl start >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/etc/rc.d/init.d/mailmanctl", line 104, in ? > import paths >ImportError: No module named paths > >I'm thinking that something strange is happening with Python. Python >versions 1.5x and 2.2x are installed. I noticed Mailman requires Python 2.x >to run. (Interstingly enough, mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm reports to require >python and not python2.) I have packages that require both versions of >Python. If I run "python -V" it indicates version 2. I'm almost at a point >where I've either got to scrap mailman completely and revert to an earlier >rpm or install clean from source. Any suggestions would be appreciated. configure --with-python=/usr/bin/python2 From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 29 01:58:07 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 29 Jan 2003 00:58:07 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] allow html email but not file attachments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1043801891.1615.145.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> You could always front-end your mailing list aliases with a procmail script. Though I would think that the Content Filtering section of the Web-Admin would give you most of what you want. On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 19:38, Jeff Schoby wrote: > Since HTML email is a mime encoded email, how do I set up a list to > filter out file attachements but not HTML email? > > (Mailman n00b admin here) :) > > -Jeff > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > Jeff Schoby - Unix Admin > City of Columbia, Missouri > jas at ci.columbia.mo.us > 573.874.6320 > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 29 02:00:55 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 29 Jan 2003 01:00:55 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuration assistance - virtual host? In-Reply-To: <020901c2c707$b54cc140$ba01000a@west.cmu.edu> References: <020901c2c707$b54cc140$ba01000a@west.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <1043802059.1610.148.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Mailman will handle this type of virtual situation very well. On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 19:59, Sarah Baker wrote: > I've read recent discussion and outline of the > virtual hosting feature. But it's not 100% > clear to me it will work to reach my goal. > > Mail in my land all only comes to a central server foo.org > who then directs mail to several servers > (ie server1.foo.org, server2.foo.org, etc) > using virtual user tables. > > For example > address1 at foo.org goes to address1 at server1.foo.org > address2 at foo.org goes to address2 at server2.foo.org > > > I want Mailman to play in this environment such that > list at foo.org goes to list at mailmanserver.foo.org via > virtual user table on foo.org > and > the list on mailmainserver.foo.org > uses the list at foo.org name in mail headers, > and the web pages reflect it without hand > editting each page, etc. > > Will virtual hosting met my requirements? > I get the impression it will, but before I go off > and try to set it up - I thought to check in. > Any gotchas? > - > Sarah Baker > Carnegie Mellon University - West > 650-603-7014 > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 29 02:04:58 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 29 Jan 2003 01:04:58 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] email in TO: field In-Reply-To: <001801c2c70d$15149d50$030aa8c0@visemaho> References: <001801c2c70d$15149d50$030aa8c0@visemaho> Message-ID: <1043802303.1616.152.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> You want each mail that goes out to list the individual user in the To: field (rather than the list address)? This is only possible with Mailman version 2.1. You would need to configure your lists and turn on Personalization. On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 20:37, Alfred wrote: > Hi, > > i am a newbie in mailman and have a problem in my configuration: > i setup mailman (2.0.13 under RedHat 8.0) without any problems and it > run ok but when i send a message > to the list every mail goes out as "bulk" email, i like to send out the > messages > with the right emailadress in TO: field > > i can not find something in the mailman configuration to disable "bulk" > in TO: field there is now list at HOSTNAME > HOSTNAME = the hostname which is set in /etc/hosts > > i like to run 2 lists with different hostnames, i setup every list > correct but in the > TO: field there is ever the HOSTNAME > > thanks for your help > > Alfred > > ps. sorry for my bad english > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Wed Jan 29 02:23:07 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:23:07 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bundling HTDIG References: <20030128054805.M14859@nleaudio.com> <15926.33616.127732.584880@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <3E372CFB.5070404@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> > bob> P.S. The subject index in the digest are wrapping in a very > bob> odd way. For example, the first line shows: > > Fixed in CVS I believe. > -Barry Sorry, but email.Header is not useful for wrapping plain text string. Please check this out. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=674401&group_id=103&atid=300103 -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 29 02:38:18 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 29 Jan 2003 01:38:18 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] create a new list (web interface) + qmailaliases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1043804303.1610.164.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> After sensing a change in the lists you could use the ~mailman/bin/list_lists command to look at each mailing list in each domain (the command has a switch that lets you list lists by virtual domains). Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 18:43, Rodrigo Lagos wrote: > Thats a good idea, the other bit here is that i need to create the .qmail > aliases based on domain, looking at the directory listing will not get me > the information of what domain this list belongs to. > any other ideas? > --rodrigo > > > > > >How about using a small script that is kicked off every 5 minutes via a > >cron job? > > > >Something like this (that looks at the last time the ~mailman/lists > >directory was modified)... > > > > LDT1=`ls -ld /usr/local/mailman/lists` > > LDT2=`cat /usr/local/mailman/checklist LDT 2>/dev/null` > > if [ "$LDT1" = "$LDT2" ]; then exit 0 ; fi > > # if the listing for the ~mailman/lists directory > > # hasn't changed then no lists have been created or deleted > > insert your script commands here... > > ... > > > >Good Luck - Jon Carnes > > > > > >On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 20:23, Rodrigo Lagos wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > I have Mailman 2.1 installed running with qmail, i have been using the > > > Mailman+qmail configuration for a while, but just now making the upgrade > >to > > > MM 2.1. > > > I was very happy to see the "create a new mailing list" in the admin > >page. I > > > have it all working with virtual domains, and its great. > > > I do have one question. Is there a way to use the create cgi to also > >kick > > > off creation of .qmail aliases for that list, maybe from create.py? i > >have > > > a small shell script that creates the aliases, but don't know how to > >kick > > > off the script after the list has been created from the same process. > > > Anyone done this ?? > > > ideas? > > > thanks > > > --rodrigo > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > Searchable Archives: > >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From tneff at grassyhill.org Wed Jan 29 03:16:08 2003 From: tneff at grassyhill.org (Tom Neff) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:16:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2nd request: migrating a list from 1.1 to 2.1 hosts? In-Reply-To: <20030128174424.C16456@dogpound.vnet.net> References: <650919375.1043743761@[192.168.254.79]> <20030128174424.C16456@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: <695660640.1043788568@[192.168.254.79]> --On Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:44 PM -0500 Matthew Davis wrote: > -[ From mailman-2.1/UPGRADING ]- > > UPGRADING FROM 1.x to 2.x [...] Yes, I read that document (and I've used its advice in the past), unfortunately it doesn't cover my present situation because I'm not really "upgrading" any existing installation of Mailman. The 1.1 host is going to stay 1.1, and the 2.1 host is already running. I just want to migrate some lists from one to the other. I seem to have a couple of options which I will label "A" and "2". :) A: Clone the MM1.1 directory somewhere (on either the original or new host) and then "upgrade" that clone to 2.1. Copy the resulting config into the real 2.1 tree as a new list. (I should probably pre-create the migrated lists on the 2.1 host first, so I can do selective file overwrites without missing some of the structure. The upgraded clone directory can be deleted afterwards. 2: Create a 'template list' on the 2.1 host and dump the configs to text using dumpdb. Back-migrate dumpdb to the 1.1 host and use it to dump the 1.1 list to text. Extract just the member info from the 1.1 dump. Edit it to change numeric flag values (they seem to have changed a bit - no pun intended). Insert the modified member info into the template 2.1 dumps - the rest can be recreated in a few minutes. Use my 'loaddb' add-on to rebuild a working marshal from the modified dump. Go to the admin interface for that list and change list names, policies etc, as needed. A lot can be cut-n-pasted from the two hosts with two browser windows. I hope that the developer(s) understand that with the continued spread of Mailman, situations were listowners need to *migrate*, rather than upgrading in place, will be more common. It would be great to have some kind of robust export capability that was more or less version independent. From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Jan 29 04:07:26 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:07:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC999@cobxchg.cobnet.org> References: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC999@cobxchg.cobnet.org> Message-ID: <20030129030726.GL15665@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Parker, David K wrote: > I'm almost at a point where I've either got to scrap mailman completely > and revert to an earlier rpm or install clean from source. Any suggestions > would be appreciated. If you're banging your head against the wall, uninstall the rpm and install mailman from source (carefully reading the README, INSTALL, and UPGRADING files). Mailman is extremely easy to install from source, yet somewhat difficult to package properly as an rpm that will work with different MTA's out of the box (due to the security constraints of the few mailman binaries). If you insist on having an rpm, you should at the very least pull down the source rpm from your distro and then look at tweaking it as necessary for your MTA. Unless you really like messing around with spec files and building rpms, I'd just build from source. And I say that as someone that has built many a mailman rpm for my own systems (I *do* happen to like messing with spec files :). The biggest plus to compiling from source is that more people here will be able to help you through any issues because they won't have to guess what sort of odd things your distro maker did to produce the rpm. BTW, in case anyone wants to see the spec file for the rpm I made, it is available at www.pobox.com/~tmz/RPMS, along with the various patches and other source files (all except the main mailman package). This may or may not work on anyone else's machine. I built it for my own systems which are basically RedHat 7.x with postfix as the MTA. It might work with sendmail and I have some triggers in the spec file to deal with sendmail, but I haven't tested this at all since I don't plan to run sendmail on any system I have to maintain. If anything, I suspect the mail-gid setting of mailman might not work for sendmail. YMMV. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Experience is not what happens to a man. It is what a man does with what happens to him. -- Aldous Huxley -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+N0Vuuv+09NZUB1oRAsG6AJ0f4ccq2jR3EpnvKj9FkVSU+csCYQCg3tFZ whP/5DeJqD5SNZDHmj2ol2E= =gjT9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gmartin at ets.org Wed Jan 29 04:31:04 2003 From: gmartin at ets.org (Martin, Greg (CSC)) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:31:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List config question Message-ID: <018664072781D51180290002A513B3A45DEC8C@rosnt77.ets.org> Jon helped me solve my install setup. Thanks, Jon! I promise to get better at understanding permissions! My next question is, can I control what Mailman appends to each message? The general config options don't seem to allow changes to that \\Greg ************************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may contain privileged or confidential information. It is solely for use by the individual for whom it is intended, even if addressed incorrectly. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender; do not disclose, copy, distribute, or take any action in reliance on the contents of this information; and delete it from your system. Any other use of this e-mail is prohibited. Thank you for your compliance. From bobby-denise at nova1.net Wed Jan 29 04:50:19 2003 From: bobby-denise at nova1.net (Bobby and Denise) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:50:19 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is Mailman right for my app? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm building a web application in PHP to upload multiple mailing lists via text files and merge the addresses (eliminate duplicates) to create a single list. This final list will reside in my web db, and can have up to 50,000 email addresses. Up to this point is no problem, but... I need to then be able to create a mailing list from the list in my db (preferably by writing to a text file), and launch a mailer to the list via the mail server. After sending a single message I no longer need the list-- i.e. I can completely overwrite it next time, and someone else manages opt-outs. I would like to capture bounce info back into by application db though. My hosting company recommends Mailman. Is Mailman the right mail server software for me? Better than Majordomo and Mojomail (also available via my host on my vps)? I see the list mgmt guide, but I don't need to maintain the list at all, nor do I need to send another message to this list ever. If so, where can I find the documentation on how to create mailing lists remotely (with a web page)? Thanks to anyone who can help. --Bobby From jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com Wed Jan 29 05:41:20 2003 From: jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com (Justin Georgeson) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:41:20 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive and .htaccess Message-ID: <3E375B70.902@unboundtech.com> I have the 2.1-7 RPM from RedHat's Rawhide installed on RedHat 7.3, with Postfix 1.7 (the RedHat 7.3 RPM, with some minor tweaks). It's mostly working. I have a test list created with members subscribed, but the archive doesn't seem to be working. From https://server/mailman/listinfo/list/, I click the archive link, which takes me to https://server/pipermail/list/ and I get back a 404 from the web server. I have the Alias defined in my Apache config. /var/mailman/archives/public/list[.mbox] is a symlink to the corresponding file in the private archive folder. I think it's a problem with either the Apache config (directory index diabled?) or file permissions. I want to have the mailman site 'protected' with a username/password, but am not sure where the .htaccess file should go to do this. -- Justin Georgeson UnBound Technologies, Inc. http://www.unboundtech.com Main 713.329.9330 Fax 713.460.4051 Mobile 512.789.1962 5295 Hollister Road Houston, TX 77040 Real Applications using Real Wireless Intelligence(tm) From jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com Wed Jan 29 05:52:30 2003 From: jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com (Justin Georgeson) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:52:30 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive and .htaccess In-Reply-To: <3E375B70.902@unboundtech.com> References: <3E375B70.902@unboundtech.com> Message-ID: <3E375E0E.8040805@unboundtech.com> I'm pretty sure it has to be the directory indexes thing. Adding index.html to the end of the archive URL it works. I tried adding +Indexes in the Option line for the archive directory in /etc/httpd/conf.d/mailman.conf, but that seems to make the whole mailman site give me a 404. Justin Georgeson wrote: > I have the 2.1-7 RPM from RedHat's Rawhide installed on RedHat 7.3, with > Postfix 1.7 (the RedHat 7.3 RPM, with some minor tweaks). It's mostly > working. I have a test list created with members subscribed, but the > archive doesn't seem to be working. From > https://server/mailman/listinfo/list/, I click the archive link, which > takes me to https://server/pipermail/list/ and I get back a 404 from the > web server. I have the Alias defined in my Apache config. > /var/mailman/archives/public/list[.mbox] is a symlink to the > corresponding file in the private archive folder. I think it's a problem > with either the Apache config (directory index diabled?) or file > permissions. > > I want to have the mailman site 'protected' with a username/password, > but am not sure where the .htaccess file should go to do this. > -- Justin Georgeson UnBound Technologies, Inc. http://www.unboundtech.com Main 713.329.9330 Fax 713.460.4051 Mobile 512.789.1962 5295 Hollister Road Houston, TX 77040 Real Applications using Real Wireless Intelligence(tm) From kmastin at beechtree.ca Wed Jan 29 06:14:56 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 00:14:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive and .htaccess In-Reply-To: <3E375B70.902@unboundtech.com> Message-ID: >I have the 2.1-7 RPM from RedHat's Rawhide installed on RedHat 7.3, with >Postfix 1.7 (the RedHat 7.3 RPM, with some minor tweaks). It's mostly >working. I have a test list created with members subscribed, but the >archive doesn't seem to be working. From >https://server/mailman/listinfo/list/, I click the archive link, which >takes me to https://server/pipermail/list/ and I get back a 404 from the >web server. I have the Alias defined in my Apache config. >/var/mailman/archives/public/list[.mbox] is a symlink to the >corresponding file in the private archive folder. I think it's a problem >with either the Apache config (directory index diabled?) or file >permissions. I just went through this yesterday. The problem for me was that the group permissions were not set guid. I did chmod g+s and the archives were accessible after that. >I want to have the mailman site 'protected' with a username/password, >but am not sure where the .htaccess file should go to do this. It goes into the directory that you want to protect. This is not real protection, as the username/password pair are transmitted in plain text. Best to put the entire area under ssl and use mod_auth_pam to authenticate the users (if they are system users). From kmastin at beechtree.ca Wed Jan 29 06:18:56 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 00:18:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive and .htaccess In-Reply-To: <3E375E0E.8040805@unboundtech.com> Message-ID: >I'm pretty sure it has to be the directory indexes thing. Adding >index.html to the end of the archive URL it works. I tried adding >+Indexes in the Option line for the archive directory in >/etc/httpd/conf.d/mailman.conf, but that seems to make the whole mailman >site give me a 404. You should just add index.html to the Indexes parameter in httpd.conf. Doing it the way you did is restrictive if you add more lists later on. From jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com Wed Jan 29 06:35:12 2003 From: jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com (Justin Georgeson) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 23:35:12 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive and .htaccess In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E376810.2010705@unboundtech.com> Keith Mastin wrote: >>I have the 2.1-7 RPM from RedHat's Rawhide installed on RedHat 7.3, with >>Postfix 1.7 (the RedHat 7.3 RPM, with some minor tweaks). It's mostly >>working. I have a test list created with members subscribed, but the >>archive doesn't seem to be working. From >>https://server/mailman/listinfo/list/, I click the archive link, which >>takes me to https://server/pipermail/list/ and I get back a 404 from the >>web server. I have the Alias defined in my Apache config. >>/var/mailman/archives/public/list[.mbox] is a symlink to the >>corresponding file in the private archive folder. I think it's a problem >>with either the Apache config (directory index diabled?) or file >>permissions. > > > I just went through this yesterday. The problem for me was that the group > permissions were not set guid. I did chmod g+s and the archives were > accessible after that. Here is my global DirectoryIndex. DirectoryIndex index.html index.htm index.shtml index.php index.php4 index.php3 index.phtml index.cgi I just tried adding that to the section for /var/mailman/archives, with no luck. Here is the relevant config (which gives me a 404 accessing the archive) ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/ DirectoryIndex index.html Options +FollowSymlinks AllowOverride AuthConfig > >>I want to have the mailman site 'protected' with a username/password, >>but am not sure where the .htaccess file should go to do this. > > > It goes into the directory that you want to protect. This is not real > protection, as the username/password pair are transmitted in plain text. > Best to put the entire area under ssl and use mod_auth_pam to > authenticate the users (if they are system users). I don't have the MailMan files in the document root of the VirtualHost I added it to (the SSL enabled VirtualHost). So I added the tag for /var/mailman at the end of the config chunk above. That seems to do it. :) From bob at nleaudio.com Wed Jan 29 06:46:45 2003 From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 00:46:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer? References: <20030128065607.F29271-100000@phred.org> Message-ID: <3E376AC5.B04FB66B@nleaudio.com> Hi Alex, > I have my Exchange setup to allow 500 recipients per message. Mailman > is also configured to send 500 recipients per message. As a result > all 55 aol.com, 65 yahoo.com, or 51 hotmail.com recipients on my > largest list are send to Exchange on the same message. Exchange can > send a single message to handle all of those recipients instead of > sending 5 or 10 as would occur when using the recommended batching of > 10 recipients per message for postfix and other popular Unix-based > MTAs. Umm, no, that's the exact same way it works on any of my systems with Postfix. I think I have one of my major mailing list machines currently set at 200, just to pick a number. > Exchange 2000 has no problem sending the same message to multiple > domains at the same time. The remote deliver agent on most Unix MTAs > can only send to one domain at a time so if you set the batching to > 500 then you single thread your delivery and it can take forever for > messages to get out. Not true at all. My mail servers connect to a ton of mail servers upon a message going out to a large list. I'd say 50% of the messages get delivered within the first couple minutes. We're talking message counts in the thousands, and this is with somewhat small hardware (Celeron 500Mhz, 256MB RAM). Although I've never messed directly with Exchange, other people's MS Exchange servers have caused me no end of grief, with them re-injecting mail, or incorrectly bouncing it (with unparsable bounce messages). Knowing a little bit about Windows, I'd bet if you stacked two machines side-by-side, a Exchange box and a Linux box running Postfix, identical hardware, and dumped a few thousand messages on them (one server at a time), and measured the time it took to deliver the first 50%, you'd find the Linux box would have done it quicker, and used less system resources. It certainly would be an interesting test! The summary is that I believe there is no benefit to running Exchange for a mailing list, and in fact, there are some potentially negatives for running it (security being the biggest, compatibility being next). Bob From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 29 06:49:47 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 29 Jan 2003 05:49:47 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC999@cobxchg.cobnet.org> References: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC999@cobxchg.cobnet.org> Message-ID: <1043819391.1614.631.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Install clean from source, be sure to point the ./configure script to your Pyton2.2.1 executable. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 23:01, Parker, David K wrote: > I've been fighting problems after upgrading Mailman 2.0x to 2.1-1 using > mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm. I'm making headway but now mailmanctl terminates > with the following error: > > # /etc/rc.d/init.d/mailmanctl start > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/etc/rc.d/init.d/mailmanctl", line 104, in ? > import paths > ImportError: No module named paths > > I'm thinking that something strange is happening with Python. Python > versions 1.5x and 2.2x are installed. I noticed Mailman requires Python 2.x > to run. (Interstingly enough, mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm reports to require > python and not python2.) I have packages that require both versions of > Python. If I run "python -V" it indicates version 2. I'm almost at a point > where I've either got to scrap mailman completely and revert to an earlier > rpm or install clean from source. Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > [root at mailgate lists]# rpm -q python > python-1.5.2-38 > [root at mailgate lists]# rpm -q python2 > python2-2.2-16 > [root at mailgate lists]# python -V > Python 2.2 > [root at mailgate bin]# ls python* -la > -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 875272 Jan 25 18:38 python > -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 875272 Jan 25 18:38 python1.5 > -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 875272 Apr 12 2002 python2 > -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 875272 Apr 12 2002 python2.2 > > [root at mailgate lists]# rpm -q --whatrequires python > Distutils-1.0.2-2 > PyXML-0.7-4 > 4Suite-0.11.1-8 > pygtk-0.6.9-3 > python-popt-0.8.8-7.x.2 > python-clap-1.0.0-3 > python-xmlrpc-1.5.1-7.x.3 > rpm-python-4.0.4-7x.18 > redhat-config-network-1.0.0-1 > bindconf-1.6.3-1 > rhn_register-2.8.27-1.7.3 > up2date-2.8.39-1.7.3 > python-devel-1.5.2-38 > mailman-2.1-1 > [root at mailgate lists]# rpm -q --whatrequires python2 > pygtk2-1.99.8-7 > redhat-config-users-1.0.1-5 > > > Thanks, > David Parker > Systems/Network Administrator > Information Technology Services > City of Bryan, Texas > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 29 06:52:48 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 29 Jan 2003 05:52:48 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List config question In-Reply-To: <018664072781D51180290002A513B3A45DEC8C@rosnt77.ets.org> References: <018664072781D51180290002A513B3A45DEC8C@rosnt77.ets.org> Message-ID: <1043819572.1616.634.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Glad you're up and running! You can put your own footer on each message, is that what you are looking for? On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 03:31, Martin, Greg (CSC) wrote: > Jon helped me solve my install setup. Thanks, Jon! I promise to get better > at understanding permissions! > > My next question is, can I control what Mailman appends to each message? > The general config options don't seem to allow changes to that > > \\Greg > > > ************************************************************************** > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may contain privileged or > confidential information. It is solely for use by the individual for whom > it is intended, even if addressed incorrectly. If you received this e-mail > in error, please notify the sender; do not disclose, copy, distribute, or > take any action in reliance on the contents of this information; and delete > it from your system. Any other use of this e-mail is prohibited. Thank you > for your compliance. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 29 06:57:10 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 29 Jan 2003 05:57:10 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is Mailman right for my app? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1043819834.1614.639.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> You don't need a mailing list manager. You have a text file with all your valid addresses, simply write a small script to parse through the file and BCC all the folks in that list (or actually send it TO each person - one at a time). You could use ~mailman/bin/sync_members to sync up a Mailman mailing list with a text file of email addresses (one per line). But why go to that trouble when you are just going to throw that list away after one message? Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 03:50, Bobby and Denise wrote: > I'm building a web application in PHP to upload multiple mailing lists via > text files and merge the addresses (eliminate duplicates) to create a single > list. This final list will reside in my web db, and can have up to 50,000 > email addresses. Up to this point is no problem, but... > > I need to then be able to create a mailing list from the list in my db > (preferably by writing to a text file), and launch a mailer to the list via > the mail server. After sending a single message I no longer need the > list-- i.e. I can completely overwrite it next time, and someone else > manages opt-outs. I would like to capture bounce info back into by > application db though. My hosting company recommends Mailman. > > Is Mailman the right mail server software for me? Better than Majordomo and > Mojomail (also available via my host on my vps)? I see the list mgmt guide, > but I don't need to maintain the list at all, nor do I need to send another > message to this list ever. If so, where can I find the documentation on how > to create mailing lists remotely (with a web page)? > > Thanks to anyone who can help. > > --Bobby > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Wed Jan 29 07:56:45 2003 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:56:45 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MS Exchange as a relay computer? In-Reply-To: <87fzrd9kaw.fsf@athene.jamux.com> References: <20030128080600.O29271-100000@phred.org> <20030128163243.GC21787@charite.de> <87fzrd9kaw.fsf@athene.jamux.com> Message-ID: <20030129065645.GR31822@charite.de> * John A. Martin : > IIRC 50 was chosen as the default_destination_recipient_limit default > because too many mailers balk or choke on more. Do you remember > differently? Or, do you actually see many SMTP listeners willing to > swallow 10,000 recipients? Doesn't really matter. If Postfix gets a 554 too many recipients after the 501st recipient, it will deliver for these 500 recipients, and will retry 501...end in the next try. > Ralf> And on the receiving side Postfix's smtpd accepts 1000 > Ralf> recipients. Which should be increased for a mailing list > Ralf> server as well if you inject via SMTP (which is fastest!) > > FWIW, in unfamiliar surroundings I would be inclined to use > > SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1000 > > in Mailman/mm_cfg.py, double the 500 in Mailman/Defaults.py, as a > starting value before tweaking the Postfix limits. That's probably safe. -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 "If you put a billion monkeys in front of a billion typewriters typing at random, they would reproduce the entire collected works of Usenet in about ... five minutes." -Anon. From lists at monkeez.co.uk Wed Jan 29 11:05:58 2003 From: lists at monkeez.co.uk (Adam) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:05:58 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permissions problems In-Reply-To: <000001c2c625$969a0100$380c010a@monmouth.edu> References: <000001c2c625$969a0100$380c010a@monmouth.edu> Message-ID: <20030129100558.4f52fc0b.lists@monkeez.co.uk> I've installed mailman from source (took John's advice) with --configure --prefix=/var/lib/mailman --with-mail-gid=78 --with-cgi-gid=72 (which was obtained from grep apache /etc/groups. I've also run ./check_perms -f, which then showed no problems. Put in ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/ in httpd.conf. However, when I go to the webserver and go to http://www.myhost.com/mailman/listinfo, I get: Forbidden You don't have permission to access /mailman/listinfo on this server. Is there anything else I need to check? thanks in advance? adam -- Public Key available from www.monkeez.co.uk/public_key.asc From coen at coachcoen.com Wed Jan 29 11:51:17 2003 From: coen at coachcoen.com (Coen de Groot) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:51:17 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extracting subscriber list, hosting package with Mailman Message-ID: I use Mailman as part of a website hosting package to host a discussion list with 750 active subscribers, with up to 30 messages a day. My host recently told me that the list is generating too much traffic. So I need to move the list I have another host which uses EZMLM. They've told me that this level of traffic would be no problem to them However, to move to another host I need to subscribe the current subscribers at the new host. Question 1 - Is there any way I can get the list of subscribers, preferably in a readable format, preferably with their settings (nomail, digest, etc). Please note that I don't have access to the server, however I can ask my host to do do it for me (provided I can give them simple instructions which don't take too long to do and won't affect the other websites or lists) Question 2 - Alternatively, does anyone know of a hosting package (I am not ready for a dedicated server yet, alas) which includes Mailman which will allow this sort of volume Many thanks, Coen From will at willspc.net Wed Jan 29 12:24:18 2003 From: will at willspc.net (Will Nordmeyer) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 06:24:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 list creation Message-ID: <00ca01c2c789$08dfb200$6500a8c0@WILLSPC.LOCAL> Hi, I'm using mailman 2.1 on a Cobalt RAQ3 and trying to use the web interface to create a list. It creates the list, but doesn't add any entries to either the aliases file or the virtusertable. It also doesn't provide a list of what entries need to be added. It doesn't seem that I have everything configured right but don't see anything in the INSTALL doc about the settings. Can someone help please? From simon at mtds.com Wed Jan 29 12:58:15 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:58:15 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors with Mailman 2.1 final Message-ID: <20030129115815.GC4478@mtds.com> Hello I was running Mailman 2.1b6, I just upgraded because I was having some problems. I always get the latest before coming to a list (I'm new here, just point me to some FAQ or other). First of all the UPGRADING file doesn't cover from 2.1bN to 2.1final, but that's minor. I fly by the seat of my pants and go "make update" and it seemed to work OK and everything is sorta running. However, python is a resource hog so everything is slow. Anyone with tips? I have python2.2.2 rolled by yours truly from tar.gz This bugs me though, I get it at startup: +++ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main qrunner.run() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run filecnt = self._oneloop() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in _oneloop msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 158, in dequeue msg = cPickle.load(msgfp) TypeError: __import__() argument 1 must be string without null bytes, not str +++ Things seem to work, but I don't like that :( I saw an error on the HTTPS site too, a Traceback with different params, but I can't reproduce it so I won't bother y'all with it now Regards, -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From simon at mtds.com Wed Jan 29 13:08:09 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:08:09 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors with Mailman 2.1 final In-Reply-To: <20030129115815.GC4478@mtds.com> References: <20030129115815.GC4478@mtds.com> Message-ID: <20030129120809.GD4478@mtds.com> 29-Jan-03 at 11:58, Simon White (simon at mtds.com) wrote : > I saw an error on the HTTPS site too, a Traceback with different params, > but I can't reproduce it so I won't bother y'all with it now Here it is: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 66, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 101, in __init__ self.Load() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 593, in Load shutil.copy(file, pfile) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/shutil.py", line 63, in copy copymode(src, dst) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/shutil.py", line 42, in copymode os.chmod(dst, mode) OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/home/mailman/lists/tiboo-news/config.pck' Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Dec 23 2002, 15:35:15) [GCC egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-1.1.2 release)] sys.executable /usr/local/bin/python sys.prefix /usr/local sys.exec_prefix /usr/local sys.path /usr/local sys.platform linux2 Environment variables: Variable Value PATH_INFO /tiboo-news HTTP_REFERER https://listserv.domain.com/mailman/admindb/tiboo-news SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.11 OpenSSL/0.9.6g PYTHONPATH /home/mailman SCRIPT_FILENAME /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin SERVER_ADMIN simon at mtds.com SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admin SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.27 Server at listserv.domain.com Port 443 REQUEST_METHOD GET HTTP_HOST listserv.domain.com HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 300 HTTPS on SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING REQUEST_URI /mailman/admin/tiboo-news HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20021207 Phoenix/0.5 HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive SERVER_NAME auth.mtds.com PATH_TRANSLATED /usr/local/apache/htdocs/tiboo-news ---> there is an alias for /mailman/ to the correct directory. SERVER_PORT 443 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip,deflate,compress;q=0.9 -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From mm at simpletcpip.com Wed Jan 29 13:26:28 2003 From: mm at simpletcpip.com (Tom) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:26:28 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple messages Message-ID: <3E37C874.5000600@simpletcpip.com> Hi All, I've had a quick search thru the list archives and can't find any problems that exactly match mine. Basically, any emails from a company 'N' to one of our lists cause duplicate messages. It always seems to be 11 copies for some reason. All the message ids are the same, only one message appears in the archives, and the other members at 'N' only receive one copy. I'm using sendmail 8.11.6 and Mailman 2.0.11, but this problem has been ocurring since 'N' was given a list they could send to, and that was quite a few versions ago. There isn't anything particularly odd about the messages (they are also CCd directly to myself so I know it isn't chopping anything off) Any ideas on how I can troubleshoot this? Thanks, Tom From simon at mtds.com Wed Jan 29 13:35:39 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:35:39 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple messages In-Reply-To: <3E37C874.5000600@simpletcpip.com> References: <3E37C874.5000600@simpletcpip.com> Message-ID: <20030129123539.GH4478@mtds.com> 29-Jan-03 at 12:26, Tom (mm at simpletcpip.com) wrote : > Hi All, > > I've had a quick search thru the list archives and can't find any > problems that exactly match mine. > > Basically, any emails from a company 'N' to one of our lists cause > duplicate messages. It always seems to be 11 copies for some reason. > All the message ids are the same, only one message appears in the > archives, and the other members at 'N' only receive one copy. > > I'm using sendmail 8.11.6 and Mailman 2.0.11, but this problem has been > ocurring since 'N' was given a list they could send to, and that was > quite a few versions ago. > > There isn't anything particularly odd about the messages (they are also > CCd directly to myself so I know it isn't chopping anything off) > > Any ideas on how I can troubleshoot this? What happens in the sendmail logs when the mail is injected? e.g. is it sendmail that is creating dupes or mailman? Are you on the list, and do you receive the 11 copies? Or is it really a screwed MTA somewhere else that is perhaps being strange? -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From mh+mailman-users at zugschlus.de Wed Jan 29 13:46:24 2003 From: mh+mailman-users at zugschlus.de (Marc Haber) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:46:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman 2.1] Is it possible to pre-approve a message? Message-ID: Hi, we have a mailing list of customers that we use to send out announcements about service problems, bad lines and general information. Nobody should be able to send e-mail to that list except the people allowed to do so. Since e-mail senders are easily forged, we have currently set all list members to moderated (including the people allowed to send to the list, who are also moderators). When a message goes out to the list, the author sends it, gets back the approval request and approves her own message. People have started to complain that this is uncomfortable. Before we switched to Mailman (2.1, if that matters), that list was managed with a patched majordomo that would only forward a message to this list if the correct password was found in the message's first line (which was then removed from the message before actually sending it out to the list). Is there a possibility to allow Mailman 2.1 to immedately forward a message from a moderator to the list if and only if the correct moderator password is given in the message? If the message doesn't have an "Approved: " header or first line, it should be held for moderation just as any other message coming in to the list address. Any hints will be appreciated. Greetings Marc -- -------------------------------------- !! No courtesy copies, please !! ----- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Karlsruhe, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom " | Fon: *49 721 966 32 15 Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fax: *49 721 966 31 29 From kenneth at drosera.be Wed Jan 29 13:55:28 2003 From: kenneth at drosera.be (kenneth at drosera.be) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:55:28 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] digest + character encoding Message-ID: <1043844928.3e37cf4034309@webmail.drosera.be> Hello all, I didn't get an answer to my question on how to (easily) set the next digest number. The solution that I used was just force the send of dummy digests and delete the complete archives. Now for some other questions: 1) digests and headers how do I prevent the following headers from being written for each message (!) in the digest To: orchids at orchidguide.com. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: "the OrchidGuide Digest \(OGD\)" 2) digest and character encoding I have an international discussion list, which means that I get mails from almost allover the globe. The common language is alway english of course but names, places etc often have "non us-ascii" characters in them. The previous soft I used was Majordomo and there I just included an extra header defining the characterset, problem solved. Now how do I force mailman to send digests as "iso-8859-1" ? Where do I need to make changes ? And is there maybe something better than "iso- 8859-1" ? 3) pipermail archive and sort order of mails How are mails sorted in the pipermail archives ? OK, you can select date/thread/etc, but what happens to the date of the original message ? If I check the order in which mails have entered my mailbox and if I compare this order against the pipermail archive (even sorted by date) I get a different order ! Example: message 1: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:52:34 -0300 (from Argentina) message 2: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:21:05 +1100 (from Australia) message 3: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:43:22 -1000 message 4: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:42:58 +0000 (from the UK) message 5: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:56:13 +0800 (reply to message 2) message 6: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 06:24:33 -0600 message 7: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:44:09 EST Sort order using thread: 1 3 7 4 2 5 6 Sort order using date: 1 5 3 7 4 2 6 Any ideas ? And, how and where do I fix this ? kind regards, Kenneth. From mm at simpletcpip.com Wed Jan 29 15:12:34 2003 From: mm at simpletcpip.com (Tom) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:12:34 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple messages References: <3E37C874.5000600@simpletcpip.com> <20030129123539.GH4478@mtds.com> Message-ID: <3E37E152.1000507@simpletcpip.com> Simon White wrote: >29-Jan-03 at 12:26, Tom (mm at simpletcpip.com) wrote : > > >>Hi All, >> >>I've had a quick search thru the list archives and can't find any >>problems that exactly match mine. >> >>Basically, any emails from a company 'N' to one of our lists cause >>duplicate messages. It always seems to be 11 copies for some reason. >>All the message ids are the same, only one message appears in the >>archives, and the other members at 'N' only receive one copy. >> >>I'm using sendmail 8.11.6 and Mailman 2.0.11, but this problem has been >>ocurring since 'N' was given a list they could send to, and that was >>quite a few versions ago. >> >>There isn't anything particularly odd about the messages (they are also >>CCd directly to myself so I know it isn't chopping anything off) >> >>Any ideas on how I can troubleshoot this? >> >> > >What happens in the sendmail logs when the mail is injected? e.g. is it >sendmail that is creating dupes or mailman? > > I may have been misleading - I'm not sure that sendmail has anything to do with it really. The mail gets to sendmail on the list server, there are two entries there, one saying from xxx at N and one showing it being piped to mailman/mail/wrapper post list A few seconds later this shows up in the mailman smtp log Jan 29 10:13:01 2003 (4859) smtp for 112 recips, completed in 0.315 seconds After that point I have no knowledge as mailman is using an SMTPHOST (at our internet provider) which I believe is exim but I don't know the version. Once the mail comes back to our main mail server (Groupwise), the logs show one incoming message from the list admin to each local member of the list, which I guess is what you would expect. >Are you on the list, and do you receive the 11 copies? Or is it really a >screwed MTA somewhere else that is perhaps being strange? > > > I'm on the list and I get 11 copies (not including the one CCd directly to me). The strange thing is that messages sent directly from people at "N" work fine. Messages sent to the list from anyone else work fine. And after a bit of digging it seems that not all the recipients do get 11 copies, although I haven't been able to find a correlation between those that do and those that don't - though it does seem to be a per site rather than per person basis. Hope that makes sense, Thanks! Tom From weiss.nix at web.de Wed Jan 29 15:15:46 2003 From: weiss.nix at web.de (weiss.nix at web.de) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:15:46 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change all memberpasswords Message-ID: <200301291415.h0TEFkO19596@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Helo mailman users, how can I change all member-passwords of an existing list to the same? I don't want to do that by the webfrontend because I have to change a lot of passwords and all members should get the same! Thanks, Peter ______________________________________________________________________________ Mit der Gruppen-SMS von WEB.DE FreeMail erreichen Sie mit einem Klick alle Freunde gleichzeitig! http://freemail.web.de/features/?mc=021180 From simon at mtds.com Wed Jan 29 15:52:58 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:52:58 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple messages In-Reply-To: <3E37E152.1000507@simpletcpip.com> References: <3E37C874.5000600@simpletcpip.com> <20030129123539.GH4478@mtds.com> <3E37E152.1000507@simpletcpip.com> Message-ID: <20030129145258.GA7328@mtds.com> 29-Jan-03 at 14:12, Tom (mm at simpletcpip.com) wrote : > Once the mail comes back to our main mail server (Groupwise), the logs > show one incoming message from the list admin to each local member of > the list, which I guess is what you would expect. > I'm on the list and I get 11 copies (not including the one CCd directly > to me). The strange thing is that messages sent directly from people at > "N" work fine. Messages sent to the list from anyone else work fine. > And after a bit of digging it seems that not all the recipients do get > 11 copies, although I haven't been able to find a correlation between > those that do and those that don't - though it does seem to be a per > site rather than per person basis. Are there 11 people in your domain who are in the list? If they're CCd rather than having an single injection of email per recipient, then some MTAs will indeed deliver 11 copies to each recipient. I'd still think there was an MTA somewhere screwing up though... any clues in the headers? -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From simon at mtds.com Wed Jan 29 15:59:41 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:59:41 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change all memberpasswords In-Reply-To: <200301291415.h0TEFkO19596@mailgate5.cinetic.de> References: <200301291415.h0TEFkO19596@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Message-ID: <20030129145940.GD7328@mtds.com> 29-Jan-03 at 15:15, weiss.nix at web.de (weiss.nix at web.de) wrote : > Helo mailman users, > how can I change all member-passwords of an existing list to the same? > I don't want to do that by the webfrontend because I have to change a > lot of passwords and all members should get the same! -- withlist is your friend. As another example, say you wanted to change the password for a particular user on a particular list. You could put the following function in a file called `changepw.py': from Mailman.Errors import NotAMember def changepw(mlist, addr, newpasswd): try: mlist.setMemberPassword(addr, newpasswd) mlist.Save() except NotAMember: print 'No address matched:', addr and run this from the command line: % bin/withlist -l -r changepw mylist somebody at somewhere.org foobar -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From will at willspc.net Wed Jan 29 16:03:17 2003 From: will at willspc.net (Will Nordmeyer) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:03:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman errors... Message-ID: <00c701c2c7a7$a0e0ad20$6701d50a@mackerel> I tried sending e-mail to the new list I created this AM... I emailed @domain.com... I got the following error returned: sh: mailman not available for sendmail programs 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post listname"... Service unavailable Also, I can't access the archives... I have 2 issues there. I'm running on a virtual host and when I click on go to list archives, it goes to http:///pipermail/listname/ but then complains that the user has no permission (a cobalt error dialog box). /pipermail exists in the conf files, and points to /home/mailman/archives/public listname exists in that folder and is a pointer to /home/mailman/archives/private/listname . and finally, listname exists in the /home/mailman/archives/private folder and has an index.html in it. Why does it go back to the master domain name rather than the virtual host? From dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us Wed Jan 29 16:27:16 2003 From: dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us (Parker, David K) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:27:16 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm Message-ID: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC9A0@cobxchg.cobnet.org> Apparently the RPM was set expect Postfix MTA to run as mail. I'm guessing the RedHat standard is to run MTA as nobody. I do appreciate the efforts of the person who put the rpm out. I've got the list back up on another RedHat 7.x box with Redhat distro Mailman RPM 2.0x. I'm thinking I'll wait until an official RPM for the RedHat distro is available prior to upgrading. As much as I love working with Linux, I have too many other time demands to get too buried in installing custom from source. Thanks, David -----Original Message----- From: Todd [mailto:Freedom_Lover at pobox.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:07 PM To: 'mailman-users at python.org' Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Parker, David K wrote: > I'm almost at a point where I've either got to scrap mailman > completely and revert to an earlier rpm or install clean from source. > Any suggestions would be appreciated. If you're banging your head against the wall, uninstall the rpm and install mailman from source (carefully reading the README, INSTALL, and UPGRADING files). Mailman is extremely easy to install from source, yet somewhat difficult to package properly as an rpm that will work with different MTA's out of the box (due to the security constraints of the few mailman binaries). If you insist on having an rpm, you should at the very least pull down the source rpm from your distro and then look at tweaking it as necessary for your MTA. Unless you really like messing around with spec files and building rpms, I'd just build from source. From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Wed Jan 29 16:31:30 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:31:30 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple messages In-Reply-To: <3E37E152.1000507@simpletcpip.com> References: <3E37C874.5000600@simpletcpip.com> <20030129123539.GH4478@mtds.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030129151923.04089ca8@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 14:12 29/01/2003, Tom wrote: >Simon White wrote: > > >29-Jan-03 at 12:26, Tom (mm at simpletcpip.com) wrote : > > > > > >>Hi All, > >> > >>I've had a quick search thru the list archives and can't find any > >>problems that exactly match mine. > >> > >>Basically, any emails from a company 'N' to one of our lists cause > >>duplicate messages. It always seems to be 11 copies for some reason. > >>All the message ids are the same, only one message appears in the > >>archives, and the other members at 'N' only receive one copy. > >> > >>I'm using sendmail 8.11.6 and Mailman 2.0.11, but this problem has been > >>ocurring since 'N' was given a list they could send to, and that was > >>quite a few versions ago. > >> > >>There isn't anything particularly odd about the messages (they are also > >>CCd directly to myself so I know it isn't chopping anything off) > >> > >>Any ideas on how I can troubleshoot this? > >> > >> > > > >What happens in the sendmail logs when the mail is injected? e.g. is it > >sendmail that is creating dupes or mailman? > > > > >I may have been misleading - I'm not sure that sendmail has anything to >do with it really. The mail gets to sendmail on the list server, there >are two entries there, one saying from xxx at N and one showing it being >piped to mailman/mail/wrapper post list > >A few seconds later this shows up in the mailman smtp log >Jan 29 10:13:01 2003 (4859) smtp for 112 recips, completed in 0.315 seconds > >After that point I have no knowledge as mailman is using an SMTPHOST (at >our internet provider) which I believe is exim but I don't know the version. Just a suggestion but I'd be inclined to have Mailman handoff outgoing mail to your local sendmail instance using SMTP, with your local sendmail instance set up to relay mail outgoing mail from your domain to your ISP's MTA. This has a couple of advantages. You can see the handoff to the external MTA in your sendmail logs and be much clearer about where problems are likely to be occurring. You've also got better "evidence" of what is happening if you need to discuss a problem with your ISP's support staff. It also means that your local sendmail instance can look after the handoff from inside to outside your domain; sendmail is better suited to this task (IMHO) than Mailman. Certainly, I've found Mailman can be a bit too aggressive in retrying the handoff to a non-local MTA if that MTA is having any difficulties in accepting mail. This might, or might not, be the cause of these duplications occurring. >Once the mail comes back to our main mail server (Groupwise), the logs >show one incoming message from the list admin to each local member of >the list, which I guess is what you would expect. > > >Are you on the list, and do you receive the 11 copies? Or is it really a > >screwed MTA somewhere else that is perhaps being strange? > > > > > > >I'm on the list and I get 11 copies (not including the one CCd directly >to me). The strange thing is that messages sent directly from people at >"N" work fine. Messages sent to the list from anyone else work fine. > And after a bit of digging it seems that not all the recipients do get >11 copies, although I haven't been able to find a correlation between >those that do and those that don't - though it does seem to be a per >site rather than per person basis. > >Hope that makes sense, > >Thanks! >Tom > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.demon.co.uk From simon at mtds.com Wed Jan 29 16:36:38 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:36:38 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC9A0@cobxchg.cobnet.org> References: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC9A0@cobxchg.cobnet.org> Message-ID: <20030129153637.GI7328@mtds.com> 29-Jan-03 at 09:27, Parker, David K (dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us) wrote : > Apparently the RPM was set expect Postfix MTA to run as mail. I'm guessing > the RedHat standard is to run MTA as nobody. I do appreciate the efforts of > the person who put the rpm out. I've got the list back up on another RedHat > 7.x box with Redhat distro Mailman RPM 2.0x. I'm thinking I'll wait until an > official RPM for the RedHat distro is available prior to upgrading. As much > as I love working with Linux, I have too many other time demands to get too > buried in installing custom from source. Postfix standards say that Postfix should run as postfix, but god knows what RedHat will do to that. Have you tried using SRPMS? Usually you can tweak that kind of stuff in the spec file. Quicker than tarballs, and once happy you can create an RPM for all your similar systems with your nicely tweaked settings. -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From mm at simpletcpip.com Wed Jan 29 16:37:30 2003 From: mm at simpletcpip.com (Tom) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:37:30 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple messages References: <3E37C874.5000600@simpletcpip.com> <20030129123539.GH4478@mtds.com> <3E37E152.1000507@simpletcpip.com> <20030129145258.GA7328@mtds.com> Message-ID: <3E37F53A.2030303@simpletcpip.com> Ahh, thank you, The messages are sent TO the list and CCd to an internal (Groupwise) distribution list. The internal list contained a subset of those on the list as well as a few others. So I guess the GW MTA should notice that and only give us two copies ... anyway, not to worry, if it is only the people on the internal list getting the dupes it isn't a big deal. Thanks again, Tom Simon White wrote: >29-Jan-03 at 14:12, Tom (mm at simpletcpip.com) wrote : > > >>Once the mail comes back to our main mail server (Groupwise), the logs >>show one incoming message from the list admin to each local member of >>the list, which I guess is what you would expect. >> >> > > > >>I'm on the list and I get 11 copies (not including the one CCd directly >>to me). The strange thing is that messages sent directly from people at >>"N" work fine. Messages sent to the list from anyone else work fine. >> And after a bit of digging it seems that not all the recipients do get >>11 copies, although I haven't been able to find a correlation between >>those that do and those that don't - though it does seem to be a per >>site rather than per person basis. >> >> > >Are there 11 people in your domain who are in the list? If they're CCd >rather than having an single injection of email per recipient, then some >MTAs will indeed deliver 11 copies to each recipient. I'd still think >there was an MTA somewhere screwing up though... any clues in the >headers? > > > From simon at mtds.com Wed Jan 29 16:44:01 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:44:01 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple messages In-Reply-To: <3E37F53A.2030303@simpletcpip.com> References: <3E37C874.5000600@simpletcpip.com> <20030129123539.GH4478@mtds.com> <3E37E152.1000507@simpletcpip.com> <20030129145258.GA7328@mtds.com> <3E37F53A.2030303@simpletcpip.com> Message-ID: <20030129154401.GK7328@mtds.com> 29-Jan-03 at 15:37, Tom (mm at simpletcpip.com) wrote : > Ahh, thank you, > > The messages are sent TO the list and CCd to an internal (Groupwise) > distribution list. The internal list contained a subset of those on the > list as well as a few others. So I guess the GW MTA should notice that > and only give us two copies ... anyway, not to worry, if it is only the > people on the internal list getting the dupes it isn't a big deal. Recursive aliases like that are always going to pose problems. The way I see it: - Mailman injects one mail per recipient on the list to the list members. Each also has ALL the people on the CC: line - Groupwise then receives to several people on the internal list and starts doing funny stuff with mail routing because you have the To: recipient as a list + CC: dupes. - Groupwise makes multiple deliveries because it cannot de-dupe the recipients in the To: line (they're not local, they're listname at listserver.dom), and will receive ONE email for EACH subscriber to the list and so 11 emails, each of which is expanded to each recipient internally, whether on the list or not. Solution: create an internal list in Groupwise containing ALL subscribers to the mailman list - don't CC all recipients but just CC that internal list. Subscribers to mailman list who are also on internal list get 2 copies, everyone else just one. Or better still, get rid of the internal list and subscribe everyone to the list who needs to be on it, and have just mailman manage it. Other option: make the internal list contain only those who are not subscribed to the mailman list, and subscribe an external address, aliased to that list, to the mailman list. Cheers, -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From bhilburn at frontier.net Wed Jan 29 16:54:01 2003 From: bhilburn at frontier.net (Bill Hilburn) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:54:01 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is Mailman right for my app? In-Reply-To: <1043819834.1614.639.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <1043819834.1614.639.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <1043855641.3e37f91945255@webmail.frontier.net> IMHO, If I may I started to go on about the advantages in using a mailing list server such as Mailman (It *rocks* !) but the most valuable advantage in your case would be the efficientcy in which Mailman would send your 50,000 emails... As as ISP, Mailman is the only way we would allow this amount of mail because of the SMTP server usage... We do not allow users to bulk mail using the To: or Cc: or Bcc: fields, for some strange reason everyone thinks bandwidth is free, it's not! Our bandwith cost from our back bone connections costs us an average of $37,000.00/month so it is very important to us to find an efficient method for every process. Just my 0.02! Quoting Jon Carnes : > You don't need a mailing list manager. > > You have a text file with all your valid addresses, simply write a small > script to parse through the file and BCC all the folks in that list (or > actually send it TO each person - one at a time). > > You could use ~mailman/bin/sync_members to sync up a Mailman mailing > list with a text file of email addresses (one per line). > > But why go to that trouble when you are just going to throw that list > away after one message? > > Jon Carnes > > On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 03:50, Bobby and Denise wrote: > > I'm building a web application in PHP to upload multiple mailing lists > via > > text files and merge the addresses (eliminate duplicates) to create a > single > > list. This final list will reside in my web db, and can have up to > 50,000 > > email addresses. Up to this point is no problem, but... > > > > I need to then be able to create a mailing list from the list in my db > > (preferably by writing to a text file), and launch a mailer to the list > via > > the mail server. After sending a single message I no longer need the > > list-- i.e. I can completely overwrite it next time, and someone else > > manages opt-outs. I would like to capture bounce info back into by > > application db though. My hosting company recommends Mailman. > > > > Is Mailman the right mail server software for me? Better than Majordomo > and > > Mojomail (also available via my host on my vps)? I see the list mgmt > guide, > > but I don't need to maintain the list at all, nor do I need to send > another > > message to this list ever. If so, where can I find the documentation on > how > > to create mailing lists remotely (with a web page)? > > > > Thanks to anyone who can help. > > > > --Bobby > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: bhilburn at frontier.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bhilburn%40frontier.net > Bill Hilburn NOC Frontier Internet ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through frontier.net webmail service! From simon at mtds.com Wed Jan 29 17:10:44 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:10:44 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is Mailman right for my app? In-Reply-To: <1043855641.3e37f91945255@webmail.frontier.net> References: <1043819834.1614.639.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <1043855641.3e37f91945255@webmail.frontier.net> Message-ID: <20030129161043.GM7328@mtds.com> On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 03:50, Bobby and Denise wrote: > I'm building a web application in PHP to upload multiple mailing lists > via text files and merge the addresses (eliminate duplicates) to create > a single list. This final list will reside in my web db, and can have > up to 50,000 email addresses. Up to this point is no problem, but... > > I need to then be able to create a mailing list from the list in my db > (preferably by writing to a text file), and launch a mailer to the list > via the mail server. After sending a single message I no longer need > the list-- i.e. I can completely overwrite it next time, and someone > else manages opt-outs. I would like to capture bounce info back into by > application db though. My hosting company recommends Mailman. > > Is Mailman the right mail server software for me? Better than Majordomo > and Mojomail (also available via my host on my vps)? I see the list > mgmt guide, but I don't need to maintain the list at all, nor do I need > to send another message to this list ever. If so, where can I find the > documentation on how to create mailing lists remotely (with a web page)? If you need bounce info, and if that list is re-used after opt-outs are calculated, then you need a mailing list manager. That's because it injects messages one at a time, so you can tune it to not hammer a server, which is bound to reject a single message with 50,000 Bcc: recipients (RFCs don't require an MTA to even accept delivery of such a message, and it's going to kill the upstream MTA) You're also going to need the bounce usefulness of mailman, but it's only really useful after multiple sends. One send cannot remove bounces from the list in case the bounces are non-permanent. No doubt you could hack something to get rid of permanent looking bounces but you'd have to parse the bounces yourself then. Not easy, when MTAs can respond in all sorts of languages and with all sorts of codes. You don't want to be overwriting each time, if I'm reading between the lines. You want to *synchronise* with other lists each time. For that, you can use some scripting of your own in PHP perhaps to do this. I host a site with a mailing list of c. 12,000 subscribers which are also in an SQL database which synchronises with mailman at each change. It was a hassle (auto-ftp and stuff) but it works nicely. I use tools in the $prefix/bin directory of mailman like add_member, remove_member, and the sync_can't remember the rest thing. -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com Wed Jan 29 17:16:33 2003 From: jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com (Justin Georgeson) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:16:33 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman errors... In-Reply-To: <00c701c2c7a7$a0e0ad20$6701d50a@mackerel> References: <00c701c2c7a7$a0e0ad20$6701d50a@mackerel> Message-ID: <3E37FE61.8060202@unboundtech.com> Will Nordmeyer wrote: > I tried sending e-mail to the new list I created this AM... > > I emailed @domain.com... > > I got the following error returned: > sh: mailman not available for sendmail programs > 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post listname"... Service unavailable > > Also, I can't access the archives... I have 2 issues there. > > I'm running on a virtual host and when I click on go to list archives, it goes to http:///pipermail/listname/ but then complains that the user has no permission (a cobalt error dialog box). > > /pipermail exists in the conf files, and points to /home/mailman/archives/public listname exists in that folder and is a pointer to /home/mailman/archives/private/listname . and finally, listname exists in the /home/mailman/archives/private folder and has an index.html in it. > > > > Why does it go back to the master domain name rather than the virtual host? That's configured in /home/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py. There are three variables to look for near the top: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST; DEFAULT_URL_HOST; and DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN. From jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com Wed Jan 29 17:30:10 2003 From: jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com (Justin Georgeson) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:30:10 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC9A0@cobxchg.cobnet.org> References: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC9A0@cobxchg.cobnet.org> Message-ID: <3E380192.7070206@unboundtech.com> I have the latest package from RedHat (2.1-7) running on RedHat 7.3 over Postfix 1.7. I had to change the spec file slightly (use postfix and python2 instead of sendmail and python), and can give anyone who wants it a diff. The [beta] packages are available here: ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/RedHat/Base/mailman-2.1-7.i386.rpm ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/SRPMS/SRPMS/mailman-2.1-7.src.rpm The fact that these are in RawHide means they are beta (it's working well for me though). Any and all reported issues should be reported to bugzilla.redhat.com. If uses sendmail as the MTA by default, but it's pretty easy to edit the post-install scripts to use postfix files instead of sendmail. If you get the source RPM, you can set the mailgroup and mailgid variables in the spec file to be whatever you want. By default it's a group of groups/gids: mail; nobody; mailman. The comment says postfix is run as nobody, but my 1.7 RPM Postfix RPM from RedHat 7.3 runs as postfix. Not sure if they maybe changed they in 8.0 or somewhere in Rawhide. I didn't notice or change these variables in my installation, and it hasn't been a problem for me so far. Parker, David K wrote: > Apparently the RPM was set expect Postfix MTA to run as mail. I'm guessing > the RedHat standard is to run MTA as nobody. I do appreciate the efforts of > the person who put the rpm out. I've got the list back up on another RedHat > 7.x box with Redhat distro Mailman RPM 2.0x. I'm thinking I'll wait until an > official RPM for the RedHat distro is available prior to upgrading. As much > as I love working with Linux, I have too many other time demands to get too > buried in installing custom from source. > > Thanks, > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd [mailto:Freedom_Lover at pobox.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:07 PM > To: 'mailman-users at python.org' > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Parker, David K wrote: > >>I'm almost at a point where I've either got to scrap mailman >>completely and revert to an earlier rpm or install clean from source. >>Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > > If you're banging your head against the wall, uninstall the rpm and install > mailman from source (carefully reading the README, INSTALL, and UPGRADING > files). > > Mailman is extremely easy to install from source, yet somewhat difficult to > package properly as an rpm that will work with different MTA's out of the > box (due to the security constraints of the few mailman binaries). > > If you insist on having an rpm, you should at the very least pull down the > source rpm from your distro and then look at tweaking it as necessary for > your MTA. Unless you really like messing around with spec files and > building rpms, I'd just build from source. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jgeorgeson%40unboundtech.com -- Justin Georgeson UnBound Technologies, Inc. http://www.unboundtech.com Main 713.329.9330 Fax 713.460.4051 Mobile 512.789.1962 5295 Hollister Road Houston, TX 77040 Real Applications using Real Wireless Intelligence(tm) From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 29 17:33:02 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 29 Jan 2003 11:33:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] stuped with postfix In-Reply-To: <20030128115202.A15415@mojave.ovro.caltech.edu> References: <20030128115202.A15415@mojave.ovro.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <1043857987.1619.105.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Run the mailman daemon: ~mailman/bin/mailmanctl start On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 14:52, Paul Daniel wrote: > Greetings: > > I'm trying to get mailman 2.1 to work with postfix 2.0.2 on RedHat 7.2. I am able > to create lists and add subscribers using the mass-subscription but list owners > and subscribers are never sent emails. postfix dosen't seem to have an issue; > /var/log/maillog has no errors. > > Trying to subscribe as an individual via the web interface appears to work but > entries in mailman/logs/subscribe are always labled as "pending". > > postfix was created with gid=postdrop and default_privs set to 'mailman' in > /etc/postfix/main.cf > > mailman was configured --with-mail-gid=mailman > > Has anyone a canned recipe for mailman/postfix? > > Thanks in advance, > -- > > Paul Daniel > paul at ovro.caltech.edu > 760.938.2075 ext 130 > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From simon at mtds.com Wed Jan 29 17:40:45 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:40:45 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <3E380192.7070206@unboundtech.com> References: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC9A0@cobxchg.cobnet.org> <3E380192.7070206@unboundtech.com> Message-ID: <20030129164045.GQ7328@mtds.com> 29-Jan-03 at 10:30, Justin Georgeson (jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com) wrote : > I have the latest package from RedHat (2.1-7) running on RedHat 7.3 over > Postfix 1.7. I had to change the spec file slightly (use postfix and > python2 instead of sendmail and python), and can give anyone who wants > it a diff. The [beta] packages are available here: Funny that they should miss the key dependency: Mailman requires python2... -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From webperson at now.org Wed Jan 29 17:49:55 2003 From: webperson at now.org (NOW Website Coordinator) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:49:55 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman 2.1] Is it possible to pre-approve amessage Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030129084552.00d04540@now.org> >From: Marc Haber >To: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman 2.1] Is it possible to pre-approve a >message? >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Precedence: list >Message: 11 >Hi, >we have a mailing list of customers that we use to send out >announcements about service problems, bad lines and general >information. Nobody should be able to send e-mail to that list except >the people allowed to do so. Since e-mail senders are easily forged, >we have currently set all list members to moderated (including the >people allowed to send to the list, who are also moderators). >When a message goes out to the list, the author sends it, gets back >the approval request and approves her own message. People have started >to complain that this is uncomfortable. Before we switched to Mailman >(2.1, if that matters), that list was managed with a patched majordomo >that would only forward a message to this list if the correct password >was found in the message's first line (which was then removed from the >message before actually sending it out to the list). >Is there a possibility to allow Mailman 2.1 to immedately forward a >message from a moderator to the list if and only if the correct >moderator password is given in the message? If the message doesn't >have an "Approved: " header or first line, it should be >held for moderation just as any other message coming in to the list >address. >Any hints will be appreciated. >Greetings >Marc Yes, just add the same type of header as Majordomo used: approved: Sarah Stapleton-Gray -------------------------------------------- Web Site Coordinator National Organization for Women http://www.now.org From jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com Wed Jan 29 17:52:29 2003 From: jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com (Justin Georgeson) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:52:29 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <20030129164045.GQ7328@mtds.com> References: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC9A0@cobxchg.cobnet.org> <3E380192.7070206@unboundtech.com> <20030129164045.GQ7328@mtds.com> Message-ID: <3E3806CD.9060408@unboundtech.com> They didn't miss it, the RPM is aimed at RedHat 8, which has python 2. RedHat 7.3 has two packages, python and python2, so you have to build it using /usr/bin/python2 instead of /usr/bin/python (--with-python option to configure) Simon White wrote: > 29-Jan-03 at 10:30, Justin Georgeson (jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com) wrote : > >>I have the latest package from RedHat (2.1-7) running on RedHat 7.3 over >>Postfix 1.7. I had to change the spec file slightly (use postfix and >>python2 instead of sendmail and python), and can give anyone who wants >>it a diff. The [beta] packages are available here: > > > Funny that they should miss the key dependency: Mailman requires > python2... > -- Justin Georgeson UnBound Technologies, Inc. http://www.unboundtech.com Main 713.329.9330 Fax 713.460.4051 Mobile 512.789.1962 5295 Hollister Road Houston, TX 77040 Real Applications using Real Wireless Intelligence(tm) From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Jan 29 17:58:13 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:58:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <20030129164045.GQ7328@mtds.com> References: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC9A0@cobxchg.cobnet.org> <3E380192.7070206@unboundtech.com> <20030129164045.GQ7328@mtds.com> Message-ID: <20030129165813.GM15665@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Simon White wrote: > Funny that they should miss the key dependency: Mailman requires > python2... They don't, the requires line from the rawhide rpm is: Requires: webserver, python >= 2.2.1, mktemp Apparently rawhide uses python-2 by default instead of having a python2 rpm. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ The distinction between Freedom and Liberty is not accurately known; naturalists have been unable to find a living specimen of either. -- Ambrose Bierce -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+OAgluv+09NZUB1oRAjB6AKCsekai+zxSGDkkoACwskoF8mFiGwCdEO/Y 7QscpDAOWKjzjH+FHOgrg+o= =KWTI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rower at MovieEditor.com Wed Jan 29 18:00:01 2003 From: rower at MovieEditor.com (Robin Rowe) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:00:01 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] spam filtering Message-ID: <007501c2c7b7$dd671c60$0200a8c0@tbird> By setting bounce_matching_headers I have mailman trapping some messages with content likely to be spam. This works really well, and I can approve the false positives to go through. I would like to check not just headers but the message body. There are a few phrases that would be good to catch there. Can I do that? The manual doesn't mention anything about this in the section, "Spam-specific posting filters". It would seem appropriate to say how to do this there, or if it can't be done. http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html By the way, I'm administering mailman for a SourceForge list. Didn't set it up myself. SourceForge creates some default spam filter rules, and I've been adding to those. Thanks! Robin --------------------------------------------------------------------------- www.LinuxMovies.org www.FilmGimp.org www.OpenSourceProgrammers.org http://gtk-osx.sourceforge.net www.MovieEditor.com From jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com Wed Jan 29 18:12:42 2003 From: jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com (Justin Georgeson) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:12:42 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <20030129170619.GV7328@mtds.com> References: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC9A0@cobxchg.cobnet.org> <3E380192.7070206@unboundtech.com> <20030129164045.GQ7328@mtds.com> <20030129165813.GM15665@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC9A0@cobxchg.cobnet.org> <3E380192.7070206@unboundtech.com> <20030129170619.GV7328@mtds.com> Message-ID: <3E380B8A.6050503@unboundtech.com> See my previous post. :) Simon White wrote: > 29-Jan-03 at 10:30, Justin Georgeson (jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com) wrote : > >>I have the latest package from RedHat (2.1-7) running on RedHat 7.3 over >>Postfix 1.7. I had to change the spec file slightly (use postfix and >>python2 instead of sendmail and python), and can give anyone who wants > > > 29-Jan-03 at 11:58, Todd (Freedom_Lover at pobox.com) wrote : > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>Simon White wrote: >> >>>Funny that they should miss the key dependency: Mailman requires >>>python2... >> >>They don't, the requires line from the rawhide rpm is: >> >> Requires: webserver, python >= 2.2.1, mktemp > > > Hmmm... so why did Justin have to edit the spec file? > -- Justin Georgeson UnBound Technologies, Inc. http://www.unboundtech.com Main 713.329.9330 Fax 713.460.4051 Mobile 512.789.1962 5295 Hollister Road Houston, TX 77040 Real Applications using Real Wireless Intelligence(tm) From simon at mtds.com Wed Jan 29 18:29:58 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:29:58 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <3E3806CD.9060408@unboundtech.com> References: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC9A0@cobxchg.cobnet.org> <3E380192.7070206@unboundtech.com> <20030129164045.GQ7328@mtds.com> <3E3806CD.9060408@unboundtech.com> Message-ID: <20030129172958.GA7671@mtds.com> > Simon White wrote: > >29-Jan-03 at 10:30, Justin Georgeson (jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com) wrote : > > > >>I have the latest package from RedHat (2.1-7) running on RedHat 7.3 over > >>Postfix 1.7. I had to change the spec file slightly (use postfix and > >>python2 instead of sendmail and python), and can give anyone who wants > >>it a diff. The [beta] packages are available here: > > > > > >Funny that they should miss the key dependency: Mailman requires > >python2... > 29-Jan-03 at 10:52, Justin Georgeson (jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com) wrote : > They didn't miss it, the RPM is aimed at RedHat 8, which has python 2. > RedHat 7.3 has two packages, python and python2, so you have to build it > using /usr/bin/python2 instead of /usr/bin/python (--with-python option > to configure) Yes, but why would the spec file have python in it - as I understood from "I had to change the spec file slightly (use postfix and python2 instead of sendmail and python)" when Mailman 2.x requires python2, so if the Mailman spec file for the RPM of 2.x has python in it and NOT python2 there's a problem. However, I assume that /really/ the spec file just links to /usr/bin/python, expecting it to be python2, when some of us (like me, too) have /usr/bin/python -> python1.x and /usr/local/bin/python -> python2.x Something like that. That's me wasting time again. Gotta stop this knee-jerk mailinglist posting habit o'mine. -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org Thu Jan 23 02:05:36 2003 From: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org (Jim Hale) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:05:36 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reason: Message has implicit destination In-Reply-To: <3E2F3D77.9020003@sun.com> Message-ID: <00af01c2c27b$89648f30$fa010a0a@HALE.local> Why does that happen though? As far as I know the people are just putting the address of the list in their TO: Box and not the BBC: Box. :/ Also - you wouldn't happen to know how to change the size limit of messages allowed to the list from 100K to 200K? Thanks!! :) Jim Hale --- 'The OS Tells The PC What To Do With Itself" - Me, 1990 --- Visit Our Personal Website at http://hale.dyndns.org, Our Forums at http://haleforum.dyndns.org or Our Photo Galleries at http://hale.dyndns.org/modules/gallery -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+jim-ml=halemail.dyndns.org at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jim-ml=halemail.dyndns.org at python.org] On Behalf Of Dan Mick Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 6:55 PM To: Jim Hale; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Reason: Message has implicit destination Jim Hale wrote: > If I send a message to my lists they go thru just fine but if anyone > NOT on the same Email server as the Mailing List sends a message to a > list, I get a message saying that the messager requires approval > because > 'Reason: Message has implicit destination'. :/ means "the list was Bcc'ed". you can allow that if you want. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jim-ml%40halemail.d yndns.org From simon at mtds.com Wed Jan 29 18:39:54 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:39:54 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reason: Message has implicit destination In-Reply-To: <00af01c2c27b$89648f30$fa010a0a@HALE.local> References: <3E2F3D77.9020003@sun.com> <00af01c2c27b$89648f30$fa010a0a@HALE.local> Message-ID: <20030129173953.GB7671@mtds.com> 22-Jan-03 at 19:05, Jim Hale (jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org) wrote : > Why does that happen though? As far as I know the people are just > putting the address of the list in their TO: Box and not the BBC: Box. > :/ > > Also - you wouldn't happen to know how to change the size limit of > messages allowed to the list from 100K to 200K? max_message_size, most easily accessed from the HTML interface on "General Options" page near the bottom -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com Wed Jan 29 18:50:38 2003 From: jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com (Justin Georgeson) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:50:38 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <20030129172958.GA7671@mtds.com> References: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC9A0@cobxchg.cobnet.org> <3E380192.7070206@unboundtech.com> <20030129164045.GQ7328@mtds.com> <3E3806CD.9060408@unboundtech.com> <20030129172958.GA7671@mtds.com> Message-ID: <3E38146E.1000602@unboundtech.com> The RPM from RawHide isn't supported on RedHat 7.3 (or technically anywhere, since RawHide is the beta distro). RedHat 7.3 has /usr/bin/python (a 1.x binary from the 'python') and /usr/bin/python2 (a 2.x binary from the 'python2'). I had to configure the spec file to depend on the python2 package, instead of the python package. I also changed a variable to point ot /usr/bin/python2 instead of /usr/bin/python. One post install script called `python` directly, so I changed that to use the variable. In short, I back-ported the RPM from RawHide to 7.3. Sorry for creating the confusion, I've been known to gloss over details before. Simon White wrote: >>Simon White wrote: >> >>>29-Jan-03 at 10:30, Justin Georgeson (jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com) wrote : >>> >>> >>>>I have the latest package from RedHat (2.1-7) running on RedHat 7.3 over >>>>Postfix 1.7. I had to change the spec file slightly (use postfix and >>>>python2 instead of sendmail and python), and can give anyone who wants >>>>it a diff. The [beta] packages are available here: >>> >>> >>>Funny that they should miss the key dependency: Mailman requires >>>python2... >> > 29-Jan-03 at 10:52, Justin Georgeson (jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com) wrote : > >>They didn't miss it, the RPM is aimed at RedHat 8, which has python 2. >>RedHat 7.3 has two packages, python and python2, so you have to build it >>using /usr/bin/python2 instead of /usr/bin/python (--with-python option >>to configure) > > > Yes, but why would the spec file have python in it - as I understood from > "I had to change the spec file slightly (use postfix and python2 instead > of sendmail and python)" when Mailman 2.x requires python2, so if the > Mailman spec file for the RPM of 2.x has python in it and NOT python2 > there's a problem. > > However, I assume that /really/ the spec file just links to > /usr/bin/python, expecting it to be python2, when some of us (like me, > too) have /usr/bin/python -> python1.x and /usr/local/bin/python -> > python2.x > > Something like that. That's me wasting time again. Gotta stop this > knee-jerk mailinglist posting habit o'mine. > -- Justin Georgeson UnBound Technologies, Inc. http://www.unboundtech.com Main 713.329.9330 Fax 713.460.4051 Mobile 512.789.1962 5295 Hollister Road Houston, TX 77040 Real Applications using Real Wireless Intelligence(tm) From simon at mtds.com Wed Jan 29 18:53:40 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:53:40 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is Mailman right for my app? In-Reply-To: References: <20030129161043.GM7328@mtds.com> Message-ID: <20030129175335.GC7671@mtds.com> 29-Jan-03 at 11:43, Bobby and Denise (bobby-denise at nova1.net) wrote : > The reason I don't need the list after one message is that a merketing > company, my client, manages many sub-lists, say sublists 1-10, and for any > given mailer they may want to use a combination of lists 1,4, and 5, or > lists 2 and 8, etc, so my final list is only useful for the one mailer. > Also, they do not want me to manage the list membership-- they use these > lists for other purposes and want to manage them themselves. My question > is: > > Will there be any problem if I do NOT want to offer Mailman's web support > to list members? I can't allow them to choose options, etc. since I don't > manage the lists-- i.e. can I turn the web page off? Also, can I provide an > opt-out (unsubscribe) link that points to a different server (the client's > server) rather than my mail server? > > Thanks for your time. I really appreciate it. Please reply to the list, others can benefit too, and chip in when they have something to say. Your issue is going to be what you state in para 1: each mailing will be to an entirely different set of people. However, if you can have each of the sublists 1-10 mirrored at your place, then you can send out to list1, cc: list2, list4, etc (even bcc if you want, you have to set it explicitly in mailman though). This way you will start to get useful bounce info which you can re-synchronise with them. I'd really rather be in a position to sell the list management to this company, go to see them and preach the benefits of managed mailman or something. But it's a little complex for you it seems. You'll be jumping through hoops to use Mailman properly in the current scenario you depicted, and if you don't, you'll still be jumping through hoops if you have to do any bounce management. Other notes: You don't have to open Mailman web interface to the public. Just access it locally for your convenience / don't install it at all (but then list config is a bit more of a pain). Unsubscribe links to another place shouldn't be too hard to do, you can edit the footer of each page / email and tailor it entirely to requirements. Conclusion: Mailman for one-off mailings isn't that useful, but could at least provide some kind of bounce management if you hack it enough (you'll have to make up your own heuristics based on those available) and will be friendlier to your upstream MTA - a big list of Bcc: recipients is definitely somewhere you don't want to go. -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From fredcool at inode.at Wed Jan 29 19:06:05 2003 From: fredcool at inode.at (Alfred) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:06:05 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] email in TO: field Message-ID: <003501c2c7c1$18c3dce0$030aa8c0@visemaho> hi, now i upgrade to version 2.1 but i can not find in the configuration for "turn on Personalization" please can anyone tell me where i can find this configuration point thanks Alfred >Jon Carnes jonc at nc.rr.com >Wed Jan 29 01:04:58 EST 2003 >You want each mail that goes out to list the individual user in the To: >field (rather than the list address)? > >This is only possible with Mailman version 2.1. You would need to >configure your lists and turn on Personalization. > > Hi, > > i am a newbie in mailman and have a problem in my > configuration: i setup mailman (2.0.13 under RedHat 8.0) > without any problems and it run ok but when i send a message > to the list every mail goes out as "bulk" email, i like to > send out the messages with the right emailadress in TO: field > > i can not find something in the mailman configuration to > disable "bulk" in TO: field there is now list at HOSTNAME > HOSTNAME = the hostname which is set in /etc/hosts > > i like to run 2 lists with different hostnames, i setup > every list correct but in the > TO: field there is ever the HOSTNAME > > thanks for your help > > Alfred > > ps. sorry for my bad english > From jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com Wed Jan 29 19:11:23 2003 From: jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com (Justin Georgeson) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:11:23 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive and .htaccess In-Reply-To: <3E376810.2010705@unboundtech.com> References: <3E376810.2010705@unboundtech.com> Message-ID: <3E38194B.6080806@unboundtech.com> Aha! I just noticed that the archive link from https:///mailman/listinfo// is http:///pipermail// This may seem odd, and I'd rather not go into detail, but http:// and https:// are different VirtualHost configurations in my Apache installation. If I type in the same archive URL with a https it works. I saw a post in the archives of this list (mailman-users) earlier this month which seemed to be a similar situation: the URL's are not consistent. Any idea how I correct this? The DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN variable in /var/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py is set correctly (https://%s/mailman/). Justin Georgeson wrote: > > > Keith Mastin wrote: > >>> I have the 2.1-7 RPM from RedHat's Rawhide installed on RedHat 7.3, with >>> Postfix 1.7 (the RedHat 7.3 RPM, with some minor tweaks). It's mostly >>> working. I have a test list created with members subscribed, but the >>> archive doesn't seem to be working. From >>> https://server/mailman/listinfo/list/, I click the archive link, which >>> takes me to https://server/pipermail/list/ and I get back a 404 from the >>> web server. I have the Alias defined in my Apache config. >>> /var/mailman/archives/public/list[.mbox] is a symlink to the >>> corresponding file in the private archive folder. I think it's a >>> problem with either the Apache config (directory index diabled?) or >>> file permissions. >> >> >> >> I just went through this yesterday. The problem for me was that the >> group permissions were not set guid. I did chmod g+s and the archives >> were accessible after that. > > > Here is my global DirectoryIndex. > > DirectoryIndex index.html index.htm index.shtml index.php index.php4 > index.php3 index.phtml index.cgi > > I just tried adding that to the section for > /var/mailman/archives, with no luck. Here is the relevant config (which > gives me a 404 accessing the archive) > > ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/ > Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/ > > DirectoryIndex index.html > Options +FollowSymlinks > > > AllowOverride AuthConfig > > >> >>> I want to have the mailman site 'protected' with a username/password, >>> but am not sure where the .htaccess file should go to do this. >> >> >> >> It goes into the directory that you want to protect. This is not real >> protection, as the username/password pair are transmitted in plain >> text. Best to put the entire area under ssl and use mod_auth_pam to >> authenticate the users (if they are system users). > > > I don't have the MailMan files in the document root of the VirtualHost I > added it to (the SSL enabled VirtualHost). So I added the > tag for /var/mailman at the end of the config chunk above. That seems to > do it. :) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jgeorgeson%40unboundtech.com > -- Justin Georgeson UnBound Technologies, Inc. http://www.unboundtech.com Main 713.329.9330 Fax 713.460.4051 Mobile 512.789.1962 5295 Hollister Road Houston, TX 77040 Real Applications using Real Wireless Intelligence(tm) From simon at mtds.com Wed Jan 29 19:21:06 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:21:06 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive and .htaccess In-Reply-To: <3E38194B.6080806@unboundtech.com> References: <3E376810.2010705@unboundtech.com> <3E38194B.6080806@unboundtech.com> Message-ID: <20030129182106.GJ7671@mtds.com> 29-Jan-03 at 12:11, Justin Georgeson (jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com) wrote : > Aha! I just noticed that the archive link from > > https:///mailman/listinfo// > > is > > http:///pipermail// > > This may seem odd, and I'd rather not go into detail, but > http:// and https:// are different VirtualHost > configurations in my Apache installation. If I type in the same archive > URL with a https it works. I saw a post in the archives of this list > (mailman-users) earlier this month which seemed to be a similar > situation: the URL's are not consistent. Any idea how I correct this? > The DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN variable in /var/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py is > set correctly (https://%s/mailman/). Interesting... I just made a similar change and I'm hoping it's going to work. Maybe it won't *shrug* My next thought is to use Apache to rewrite the urls. It can be done, but it should be consistent in Mailman in the first place. Anyone? -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From p at dirac.org Wed Jan 29 20:27:16 2003 From: p at dirac.org (Peter Jay Salzman) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:27:16 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about reply-to munging Message-ID: <20030129192716.GB17058@dirac.org> dear all, i set up a mailman list a long time ago with reply-to munging enabled. i'd rather not change that, because i foresee a billion emails "why aren't my emails going to the list anymore"? normally, sent email doesn't contain "reply-to:" unless the user specifically sets it. is there a way for mailman to set reply-to back to the list *except* for the case where someone explicitly sets the reply-to himself? that way, users have a choice. if not, 1. can i request this as a feature? 2. if i were to hack mailman to try to implement this feature, where would i start to look for the relevent code? pete -- First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Gandhi, being prophetic about Linux. Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D From will at willspc.net Wed Jan 29 20:43:15 2003 From: will at willspc.net (Will Nordmeyer) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:43:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman errors... References: <00c701c2c7a7$a0e0ad20$6701d50a@mackerel> Message-ID: <01f001c2c7ce$c468ad20$6701d50a@mackerel> Upon further review... My apache server is complaining, when I go to www.sitename.com/pipermail/listname, with the following error: Symbolic link not allowed: /home/mailman/archives/public/listname/ I tried replacing it with a hard link and the cobalt didn't really like it. Is there a way to allow symbolic linking? I thought I'd had a symbolic link in other areas? I'm still the same send issue too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Nordmeyer" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:03 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman errors... I tried sending e-mail to the new list I created this AM... I emailed @domain.com... I got the following error returned: sh: mailman not available for sendmail programs 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post listname"... Service unavailable Also, I can't access the archives... I have 2 issues there. I'm running on a virtual host and when I click on go to list archives, it goes to http:///pipermail/listname/ but then complains that the user has no permission (a cobalt error dialog box). /pipermail exists in the conf files, and points to /home/mailman/archives/public listname exists in that folder and is a pointer to /home/mailman/archives/private/listname . and finally, listname exists in the /home/mailman/archives/private folder and has an index.html in it. Why does it go back to the master domain name rather than the virtual host? From marc at perkel.com Wed Jan 29 20:44:22 2003 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:44:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't admin pending messages Message-ID: <3E382F16.2000901@perkel.com> I think it was working and quit. I upgraded to Mailman 2.1 and I can't admin pending messages. It shows the pending messages with the choices - but if I select to approve, reject, or discard - nothing happens after I click submit. The same messages are still there and still pending. What am I doing wrong? From jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com Wed Jan 29 21:05:58 2003 From: jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com (Justin Georgeson) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:05:58 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman errors... In-Reply-To: <01f001c2c7ce$c468ad20$6701d50a@mackerel> References: <00c701c2c7a7$a0e0ad20$6701d50a@mackerel> <01f001c2c7ce$c468ad20$6701d50a@mackerel> Message-ID: <3E383426.3040201@unboundtech.com> Will Nordmeyer wrote: > Upon further review... > > My apache server is complaining, when I go to > www.sitename.com/pipermail/listname, with the following error: > > Symbolic link not allowed: /home/mailman/archives/public/listname/ Is www.sitename.com the server's hostname, or the ServerName of the VirtualHost mailman is served from? Make sure you have Options +FollowSymlinks in your Apache config for the VirtualHost mailman is served from. I'm not sure what to do about inconsistent URLs as I am having the same problem myself. I don't know what to do about the error response when sending to a list either. > I tried replacing it with a hard link and the cobalt didn't really like it. > > Is there a way to allow symbolic linking? I thought I'd had a symbolic link > in other areas? > > I'm still the same send issue too. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Will Nordmeyer" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:03 AM > Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman errors... > > > I tried sending e-mail to the new list I created this AM... > > I emailed @domain.com... > > I got the following error returned: > sh: mailman not available for sendmail programs > 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post listname"... Service unavailable > > Also, I can't access the archives... I have 2 issues there. > > I'm running on a virtual host and when I click on go to list archives, it > goes to http:///pipermail/listname/ but then complains that the > user has no permission (a cobalt error dialog box). > > /pipermail exists in the conf files, and points to > /home/mailman/archives/public listname exists in that folder and is a > pointer to /home/mailman/archives/private/listname . and finally, listname > exists in the /home/mailman/archives/private folder and has an index.html in > it. > > > > Why does it go back to the master domain name rather than the virtual host? > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jgeorgeson%40unboundtech.com -- Justin Georgeson UnBound Technologies, Inc. http://www.unboundtech.com Main 713.329.9330 Fax 713.460.4051 Mobile 512.789.1962 5295 Hollister Road Houston, TX 77040 Real Applications using Real Wireless Intelligence(tm) From dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us Wed Jan 29 21:11:15 2003 From: dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us (Parker, David K) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:11:15 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm Message-ID: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC9A3@cobxchg.cobnet.org> I was incorrect in my earlier statement. On my RedHat 7.3 box with Postfix 1.7 installed via RPM is running as postfix. Thanks, David -----Original Message----- From: Justin Georgeson [mailto:jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:30 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm I have the latest package from RedHat (2.1-7) running on RedHat 7.3 over Postfix 1.7. I had to change the spec file slightly (use postfix and python2 instead of sendmail and python), and can give anyone who wants it a diff. The [beta] packages are available here: ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/i386/RedHat/Base/mailman-2.1-7 .i386.rpm ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/SRPMS/SRPMS/mailman-2.1-7.src. rpm The fact that these are in RawHide means they are beta (it's working well for me though). Any and all reported issues should be reported to bugzilla.redhat.com. If uses sendmail as the MTA by default, but it's pretty easy to edit the post-install scripts to use postfix files instead of sendmail. If you get the source RPM, you can set the mailgroup and mailgid variables in the spec file to be whatever you want. By default it's a group of groups/gids: mail; nobody; mailman. The comment says postfix is run as nobody, but my 1.7 RPM Postfix RPM from RedHat 7.3 runs as postfix. Not sure if they maybe changed they in 8.0 or somewhere in Rawhide. I didn't notice or change these variables in my installation, and it hasn't been a problem for me so far. Parker, David K wrote: > Apparently the RPM was set expect Postfix MTA to run as mail. I'm > guessing the RedHat standard is to run MTA as nobody. I do appreciate > the efforts of the person who put the rpm out. I've got the list back > up on another RedHat 7.x box with Redhat distro Mailman RPM 2.0x. I'm > thinking I'll wait until an official RPM for the RedHat distro is > available prior to upgrading. As much as I love working with Linux, I > have too many other time demands to get too buried in installing > custom from source. From tmaddox at thereinc.com Wed Jan 29 21:15:51 2003 From: tmaddox at thereinc.com (Tom Maddox) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:15:51 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing list headers In-Reply-To: <1043435569.2223.49.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: Okay, I give--what source changes do I need to make to alter the default headers? > If you are a sysadmin on the server, you can modify the source to leave > that out... > > On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 11:39, VLists.Net Support wrote: > > -> On 12:22 PM 1/23/2003 -0800, Tom Maddox was quoted as saying...: > > > > ->In addition to this problem, the Reply-To: header includes > the short list > > ->description (not the title but the description). Is there > any way to change > > ->*that*? > > > > Here, Here! The "short list description" isn't so short in > some cases and > > really botches up the reply line. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: tmaddox at thereinc.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/tmaddox%40thereinc.com From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Wed Jan 29 21:19:15 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:19:15 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cc headers in 2.1 Message-ID: <20030129201915.GD11294@hq.newdream.net> Since upgrading to 2.1, I notice that instead of: To: list at example.com Cc: Realname foo at bar.xxx, "John Q. Doe" blah at blah.xxx, dookie at asdf.invalid The headers appear as: To: list at example.com Cc: Realname foo at bar.xxx Cc: "John Q. Doe" blah at blah.xxx Cc: dookie at asdf.invalid Is this for aesthetic or technical reasons, and is there a way to turn this behavior off? I didn't see anything in Defaults.py or in the web interface that would allow changing this, but perhaps I'm missing something. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") From marc at perkel.com Wed Jan 29 21:19:23 2003 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:19:23 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending messages waiting for approval - where? Message-ID: <3E38374B.4000900@perkel.com> Where are the pending messages stored? From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Wed Jan 29 21:58:16 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:58:16 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive and .htaccess In-Reply-To: <20030129182106.GJ7671@mtds.com> References: <3E38194B.6080806@unboundtech.com> <3E376810.2010705@unboundtech.com> <3E38194B.6080806@unboundtech.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030129202933.03af7940@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 18:21 29/01/2003, Simon White wrote: >29-Jan-03 at 12:11, Justin Georgeson (jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com) wrote : > > Aha! I just noticed that the archive link from > > > > https:///mailman/listinfo// > > > > is > > > > http:///pipermail// > > > > This may seem odd, and I'd rather not go into detail, but > > http:// and https:// are different VirtualHost > > configurations in my Apache installation. If I type in the same archive > > URL with a https it works. I saw a post in the archives of this list > > (mailman-users) earlier this month which seemed to be a similar > > situation: the URL's are not consistent. Any idea how I correct this? > > The DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN variable in /var/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py is > > set correctly (https://%s/mailman/). The link to a list on the page generated by ?prefix/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py is determined by each list's web_page_url attribute. The value of this attribute is normally set when the list is created and is based to DEFAULT_URL or DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN combined with DEFAULT_URL_HOST or DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN values at that time. Another list attribute set at the same time is it's host_name attribute which is set to DEFAULT_HOST_NAME (or DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST if DEFAULT_HOST_NAME is not defined). This is used in setting the link to the archives on the page returned by the /listinfo/ URI. If you want to change these list attributes for a given list then ?prefix/bin/withlist is your friend. The standard MM 2.1 distribution has the $prefix/bin/fix_url.py script wto be used in conjunction with ?prefix/bin/withlist to reset a list's web_page_url and host_name. The values to which web_page_url and host_name are set by fix_url.py depend on the then current default MM parameters set in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py and $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and the options you put on the command line when running fix_url. See the code in fix_url.py for deatils; python is quite easy to read. >Interesting... I just made a similar change and I'm hoping it's going to >work. Maybe it won't *shrug* > >My next thought is to use Apache to rewrite the urls. It can be done, >but it should be consistent in Mailman in the first place. Anyone? > >-- >|-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. >|-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. >|-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. >|-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Wed Jan 29 22:00:59 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:00:59 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending messages waiting for approval - where? In-Reply-To: <3E38374B.4000900@perkel.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030129205933.03af2448@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 20:19 29/01/2003, Marc Perkel wrote: >Where are the pending messages stored? > For MM 2.1, try looking in ?prefix/data From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 29 22:01:23 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 29 Jan 2003 16:01:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade from 2.0x to 2.1 In-Reply-To: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC997@cobxchg.cobnet.org> References: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC997@cobxchg.cobnet.org> Message-ID: <1043874087.2721.0.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> cd /var/spool/cron grep qrunner * On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 17:27, Parker, David K wrote: > Hmmm, the earlier RPM install must be running cron jobs as a different user? > I've removed crontab entries for mailman but the messages are still flowing. > How can trace this back to the correct user? > > Thanks, > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: Parker, David K > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:21 PM > To: 'John DeCarlo'; Parker, David K > Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org' > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade from 2.0x to 2.1 > > > I've done as you suggested but I keep getting the following messages every > few minutes: > > Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner > Body: /usr/bin/python: can't open file '/var/mailman/cron/qrunner' > > Here are the contents of the crontab.in file > > # At 8AM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests. # They > are less likely to ignore these reminders if they're mailed # early in the > morning, but of course, this is local time... ;) 0 8 * * * /usr/bin/python > -S /var/mailman/cron/checkdbs # # At 9AM, send notifications to disabled > members that are due to be # reminded to re-enable their accounts. 0 9 * * * > /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/disabled # # Noon, mail digests for > lists that do periodic as well as threshhold delivery. 0 12 * * * > /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/senddigests # # 5 AM on the first of > each month, mail out password reminders. 0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S > /var/mailman/cron/mailpasswds # # Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail. > You can comment this one out # if you don't want to allow gating, or don't > have any going on right now, # or want to exclusively use a callback > strategy instead of polling. 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * > /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/gate_news # # At 3:27am every night, > regenerate the gzip'd archive file. Only # turn this on if the internal > archiver is used and # GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py 27 3 * * > * /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip > > Thanks, > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org] > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 8:22 AM > To: Parker, David K > Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org' > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade from 2.0x to 2.1 > > > David, > > This will get your cron jobs reset. > > Remember, they are running as user 'mailman'. > > as root or mailman user, run: > > crontab -u mailman -r > crontab -u mailman mailman_dir/cron/crontab.in > > The first command will remove all the mailman cron jobs. > The second will put in just the 2.1 cron jobs. > > Note that your "mailman_dir" may be /var/local/mailman (or something > else), instead of the default source install of /usr/local/mailman. > > Parker, David K wrote: > > I'm getting errors generated after upgrading from 2.0x to 2.1. I think > > its related to Cfron jobs being scheduled to run. Both installs of > > Mailman were done via RPM. I'm guessing that the latest RPM didn't > > take care of the Cron jobs? Any hints on cleaning this up? I've been > > through the UPGRADE doc. > > -- > > John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Wed Jan 29 22:05:17 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:05:17 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't admin pending messages In-Reply-To: <3E382F16.2000901@perkel.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030129210315.03af9428@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 19:44 29/01/2003, Marc Perkel wrote: >I think it was working and quit. I upgraded to Mailman 2.1 and I can't >admin pending messages. It shows the pending messages with the choices - >but if I select to approve, reject, or discard - nothing happens after I >click submit. The same messages are still there and still pending. > >What am I doing wrong? Anything showing in Mailman error (or other) logs? Are your ermissions OK. Did you run $bin/check_perms -f after upgrading? From jsingh at fdu.edu Wed Jan 29 22:07:42 2003 From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:07:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tru64 and mailman Message-ID: <0b2301c2c7da$7720c730$5c0bee84@FDUJACK> Hey guys I wanted to know if any has been successfully running mailman on a Compaq Tru64 machine. My boss just asked me to move over the entire project on a tru64 machine? Thanks jack From marc at perkel.com Wed Jan 29 22:19:03 2003 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:19:03 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't admin pending messages In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030129210315.03af9428@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030129210315.03af9428@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <3E384547.7040602@perkel.com> Richard Barrett wrote: > At 19:44 29/01/2003, Marc Perkel wrote: > >> I think it was working and quit. I upgraded to Mailman 2.1 and I >> can't admin pending messages. It shows the pending messages with the >> choices - but if I select to approve, reject, or discard - nothing >> happens after I click submit. The same messages are still there and >> still pending. >> >> What am I doing wrong? > > > Anything showing in Mailman error (or other) logs? > > Are your ermissions OK. Did you run $bin/check_perms -f after upgrading? Yep - reran check_perms and everything fine. Everything is in the right group - has the right permissions. Even rebooted the server. Nothing showing in the logs. And - I'm pretty sure it was working right after the upgrade and it quit for some reason. I have a second server with a nearly identical install and it works. I even changed the permissions on the hold files to 777 and no difference. If I manually delete the files it does make them go away. I'm stumped. From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 29 22:30:47 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 29 Jan 2003 16:30:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permissions problems In-Reply-To: <20030129100558.4f52fc0b.lists@monkeez.co.uk> References: <000001c2c625$969a0100$380c010a@monmouth.edu> <20030129100558.4f52fc0b.lists@monkeez.co.uk> Message-ID: <1043875851.2717.19.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> # # httpd configuration settings for use with mailman. # ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/ Options +FollowSymlinks # # Uncomment, and replace www.example.com with your server's # name, to redirect queries to /mailman to the listinfo page # RedirectMatch /mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo Also check the rights on your ~mailman/cgi-bin/.. directory and its files, make sure that they are all set su-gid. === On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 05:05, Adam wrote: > I've installed mailman from source (took John's advice) with --configure --prefix=/var/lib/mailman --with-mail-gid=78 --with-cgi-gid=72 (which was obtained from grep apache /etc/groups. > > I've also run ./check_perms -f, which then showed no problems. > > Put in ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/ > in httpd.conf. > > However, when I go to the webserver and go to http://www.myhost.com/mailman/listinfo, > > I get: > Forbidden > You don't have permission to access /mailman/listinfo on this server. > > Is there anything else I need to check? > > thanks in advance? > adam > > -- > Public Key available from www.monkeez.co.uk/public_key.asc > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From marc at perkel.com Wed Jan 29 22:31:07 2003 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:31:07 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending.pck - what does this file do? Message-ID: <3E38481B.4060905@perkel.com> What does the pending.pck file do? From fredcool at inode.at Wed Jan 29 22:29:26 2003 From: fredcool at inode.at (Alfred) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 22:29:26 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error: Illegal list name: test@mail Message-ID: <004101c2c7dd$804ee870$030aa8c0@visemaho> Hi, i upgrade from 2.0 to 2.1 the command /var/mailman/bin/newlist can not create a new list, over the web i like to create a new list called test but after click the create button it shows me the error: Error: Illegal list name: test at mail but i dont fill a @ in the form and from where comes "@mail" ??? thanks Alfred From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Wed Jan 29 22:37:26 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:37:26 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Bug] Cookie from older version Message-ID: <20030129213726.GK11294@hq.newdream.net> If you have an old cookie from Mailman 2.0.x, you'll have to re-login for every page until you manually clear the cookie from your browser (after upgrading to 2.1). Is there any way to fix this in the future? With some browsers, it's not simple to remove an individual cookie. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 29 22:44:21 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 29 Jan 2003 16:44:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extracting subscriber list, hosting package with Mailman In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1043876665.2721.32.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Your current host should be able to send you the config.db file for each of your lists. Using that you can simply install the same version of mailman, create the same listnames, then copy in the config.db files. After which you will need to use the with-list command to modify the hostnames in the config.db files You might also want the mbox files from your current host so that you can regenerate the archives of the list (assuming you had archives...) ~mailman/lists//config.db ~mailman/archives/private// I use Mailman as part of a website hosting package to host a discussion list > with 750 active subscribers, with up to 30 messages a day. My host recently > told me that the list is generating too much traffic. So I need to move the > list > > I have another host which uses EZMLM. They've told me that this level of > traffic would be no problem to them > > However, to move to another host I need to subscribe the current subscribers > at the new host. > > Question 1 - Is there any way I can get the list of subscribers, preferably > in a readable format, preferably with their settings (nomail, digest, etc). > Please note that I don't have access to the server, however I can ask my > host to do do it for me (provided I can give them simple instructions which > don't take too long to do and won't affect the other websites or lists) > > Question 2 - Alternatively, does anyone know of a hosting package (I am not > ready for a dedicated server yet, alas) which includes Mailman which will > allow this sort of volume > > Many thanks, > > Coen > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 29 22:51:17 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 29 Jan 2003 16:51:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 list creation In-Reply-To: <00ca01c2c789$08dfb200$6500a8c0@WILLSPC.LOCAL> References: <00ca01c2c789$08dfb200$6500a8c0@WILLSPC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <1043877080.2717.39.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> If you can get shell access to the server you can use the ~mailman/bin/genaliases command to generate the aliases for your created lists. You could simply redirect the output of that command into a local aliases file and then include that aliases file in your MTA's list of aliases that it checks. Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 06:24, Will Nordmeyer wrote: > Hi, > > I'm using mailman 2.1 on a Cobalt RAQ3 and trying to use the web > interface to create a list. > > It creates the list, but doesn't add any entries to either the aliases > file or the virtusertable. It also doesn't provide a list of what > entries need to be added. > > It doesn't seem that I have everything configured right but don't see > anything in the INSTALL doc about the settings. > > Can someone help please? > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 29 23:20:31 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 29 Jan 2003 17:20:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman errors... In-Reply-To: <01f001c2c7ce$c468ad20$6701d50a@mackerel> References: <00c701c2c7a7$a0e0ad20$6701d50a@mackerel> <01f001c2c7ce$c468ad20$6701d50a@mackerel> Message-ID: <1043878834.2721.44.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Tell apache to allow symlinks for that directory Does your Sendmail use "smrsh" to protect it? If so you will need to follow the steps in FAQ 3.14 to setup smrsh to allow Mailman. The sendmail problem could also be the GID of the Sendmail you are using verses the mail-GID that you configured Mailman to expect. This should also be covered in the FAQ. Good Luck! - Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 14:43, Will Nordmeyer wrote: > Upon further review... > > My apache server is complaining, when I go to > www.sitename.com/pipermail/listname, with the following error: > > Symbolic link not allowed: /home/mailman/archives/public/listname/ > > I tried replacing it with a hard link and the cobalt didn't really like it. > > Is there a way to allow symbolic linking? I thought I'd had a symbolic link > in other areas? > > I'm still the same send issue too. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Will Nordmeyer" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:03 AM > Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman errors... > > > I tried sending e-mail to the new list I created this AM... > > I emailed @domain.com... > > I got the following error returned: > sh: mailman not available for sendmail programs > 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post listname"... Service unavailable > > Also, I can't access the archives... I have 2 issues there. > > I'm running on a virtual host and when I click on go to list archives, it > goes to http:///pipermail/listname/ but then complains that the > user has no permission (a cobalt error dialog box). > > /pipermail exists in the conf files, and points to > /home/mailman/archives/public listname exists in that folder and is a > pointer to /home/mailman/archives/private/listname . and finally, listname > exists in the /home/mailman/archives/private folder and has an index.html in > it. > > > > Why does it go back to the master domain name rather than the virtual host? > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 29 23:28:04 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 29 Jan 2003 17:28:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC9A0@cobxchg.cobnet.org> References: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC9A0@cobxchg.cobnet.org> Message-ID: <1043879288.2717.49.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> What you don't know (because you've never done it before) is that installing via the Source is actually easier with Mailman than installing via the RPM. Installing via the RPM is buggy and only works if no default has been touched - plus you still need to do all the work that is associated with installing via source (installing the crontabs, etc). It takes me less than 10 minutes to install Mailman via source on a Red Hat system. Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 10:27, Parker, David K wrote: > Apparently the RPM was set expect Postfix MTA to run as mail. I'm guessing > the RedHat standard is to run MTA as nobody. I do appreciate the efforts of > the person who put the rpm out. I've got the list back up on another RedHat > 7.x box with Redhat distro Mailman RPM 2.0x. I'm thinking I'll wait until an > official RPM for the RedHat distro is available prior to upgrading. As much > as I love working with Linux, I have too many other time demands to get too > buried in installing custom from source. > > Thanks, > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd [mailto:Freedom_Lover at pobox.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:07 PM > To: 'mailman-users at python.org' > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Parker, David K wrote: > > I'm almost at a point where I've either got to scrap mailman > > completely and revert to an earlier rpm or install clean from source. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > If you're banging your head against the wall, uninstall the rpm and install > mailman from source (carefully reading the README, INSTALL, and UPGRADING > files). > > Mailman is extremely easy to install from source, yet somewhat difficult to > package properly as an rpm that will work with different MTA's out of the > box (due to the security constraints of the few mailman binaries). > > If you insist on having an rpm, you should at the very least pull down the > source rpm from your distro and then look at tweaking it as necessary for > your MTA. Unless you really like messing around with spec files and > building rpms, I'd just build from source. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From fredcool at inode.at Wed Jan 29 23:31:29 2003 From: fredcool at inode.at (Alfred) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 23:31:29 +0100 Subject: AW: [Mailman-Users] Error: Illegal list name: test@mail In-Reply-To: <004101c2c7dd$804ee870$030aa8c0@visemaho> Message-ID: <004401c2c7e6$2b6d15d0$030aa8c0@visemaho> hi, i found it, i forgot to set the right values in /var/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: mailman-users-bounces+fredcool=inode.at at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+fredcool=inode.at at python.org] > Im Auftrag von Alfred > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. J?nner 2003 22:29 > An: mailman-users at python.org > Betreff: [Mailman-Users] Error: Illegal list name: test at mail > > > Hi, > > i upgrade from 2.0 to 2.1 the command > /var/mailman/bin/newlist can not create a new list, over the > web i like to create a new list called test but after click > the create button it shows me the error: > Error: Illegal list name: test at mail > but i dont fill a @ in the form and from where comes "@mail" ??? > > thanks > > Alfred > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman- > users > > > Mailman FAQ: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users% > 40python.org/ > > > This message was sent to: fredcool at inode.at > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/fredcool %40inode.at From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 29 23:47:44 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 29 Jan 2003 17:47:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] spam filtering In-Reply-To: <007501c2c7b7$dd671c60$0200a8c0@tbird> References: <007501c2c7b7$dd671c60$0200a8c0@tbird> Message-ID: <1043880468.2721.51.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Front-end your mailing lists with a procmail filter that uses SpamAssassin. On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 12:00, Robin Rowe wrote: > By setting bounce_matching_headers I have mailman trapping some messages > with content likely to be spam. This works really well, and I can approve > the false positives to go through. I would like to check not just headers > but the message body. There are a few phrases that would be good to catch > there. Can I do that? > > The manual doesn't mention anything about this in the section, > "Spam-specific posting filters". It would seem appropriate to say how to do > this there, or if it can't be done. > > http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html > > By the way, I'm administering mailman for a SourceForge list. Didn't set it > up myself. SourceForge creates some default spam filter rules, and I've been > adding to those. > > Thanks! > > Robin > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > www.LinuxMovies.org www.FilmGimp.org > www.OpenSourceProgrammers.org http://gtk-osx.sourceforge.net > www.MovieEditor.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From kmastin at beechtree.ca Thu Jan 30 00:18:04 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:18:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1-1.i386.rpm In-Reply-To: <1043879288.2717.49.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: >What you don't know (because you've never done it before) is that >installing via the Source is actually easier with Mailman than >installing via the RPM. > >Installing via the RPM is buggy and only works if no default has been >touched - plus you still need to do all the work that is associated with >installing via source (installing the crontabs, etc). > >It takes me less than 10 minutes to install Mailman via source on a Red >Hat system. > >Jon Carnes But having the rpm around came in handy for this NooB the other day... I install the production server via source in a non-standard filesystem, and plopped in the rpm to have a permissions comparison.. and voila', I can now see the list archives over the web :)) Sweet piece o' work, BTW... From friedrich28 at gmx.de Thu Jan 30 00:44:23 2003 From: friedrich28 at gmx.de (friedrich28 at gmx.de) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 00:44:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi-user / create.py Message-ID: <3E387567.29832.56E5C81@localhost> Hi there, this may seem to you as a simple question, but I'd appreciate some help. I've run mailman's configure-script with the option --with-cgi-gid=www and --with-mail-gid=- 2. Now when I'm trying to create a list via www with the create-script, I get the error: RuntimeError: command failed: /sw/sbin/postalias /Users/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted). Which certainly is a permissions problem, because running postalias directly as the user mailman updates aliases.db without problems. And, btw, the new list appears correctly in the aliases file. But I don't understand at which end this is wrong. Was the cgi-gid set wrong? Or do I need to change the ownership of the aliases files? check-perms renders no errors. Do I need to tell mailman/create.py to run postaliases as user mailman, and if so, how do I do that? Thanks! Friedrich From rower at MovieEditor.com Thu Jan 30 00:47:28 2003 From: rower at MovieEditor.com (Robin Rowe) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:47:28 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] spam filtering References: <007501c2c7b7$dd671c60$0200a8c0@tbird> <1043880468.2721.51.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <00bc01c2c7f0$c8d0a2b0$0200a8c0@tbird> Jon, > Front-end your mailing lists with a procmail filter that uses > SpamAssassin. Thanks, but as I said, I'm configuring mailman on a SourceForge-hosted mailing list. Installing SpamAssassin there is not within my power. Can anyone answer my question as asked? Is it possible to use the mailman spam filtering capabilities on message bodies as well as headers? Cheers, Robin --------------------------------------------------------------------------- www.LinuxMovies.org www.FilmGimp.org www.OpenSourceProgrammers.org http://gtk-osx.sourceforge.net www.MovieEditor.com On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 12:00, Robin Rowe wrote: > By setting bounce_matching_headers I have mailman trapping some messages > with content likely to be spam. This works really well, and I can approve > the false positives to go through. I would like to check not just headers > but the message body. There are a few phrases that would be good to catch > there. Can I do that? > > The manual doesn't mention anything about this in the section, > "Spam-specific posting filters". It would seem appropriate to say how to do > this there, or if it can't be done. > > http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html > > By the way, I'm administering mailman for a SourceForge list. Didn't set it > up myself. SourceForge creates some default spam filter rules, and I've been > adding to those. > > Thanks! > > Robin From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 01:03:55 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 00:03:55 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tru64 and mailman In-Reply-To: <0b2301c2c7da$7720c730$5c0bee84@FDUJACK> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030129235120.03af2898@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 21:07 29/01/2003, jsingh wrote: >Hey guys > I wanted to know if any has been successfully running mailman on a >Compaq Tru64 machine. My boss just asked me to move over the entire >project on a tru64 machine? >Thanks >jack > If its runningTru64 UNIX and has/you-can-install Python the answer is almost certainly yes. http://www.tru64unix.compaq.com/affinity/affinitywp.pdf lists python in Appendix: Software Lists -> Internet Express V5.6 Open Source Software http://www.tru64unix.compaq.com/demos/ossc-v51a/html/README.htm contains a ref to "python-2.0 an interpreted object-oriented programming language" Looks good From kathryn at bassett.net Thu Jan 30 01:24:07 2003 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:24:07 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a "no-archive" option? Message-ID: Two part question. 1) I tried a test message with the first line being NO ARCHIVE but that did not keep the message out of the archives of our list, as it does in some mailing list archives. Is there some other phrase or way that DOES do the trick? 2) Regardless of the answer to 1), is there some code that will keep "anything below this line" from ending up in the archived message? Example, I am on a betatesting list that has us include XXENDSXX on a line by itself. Anything below that line will show up in the message that gets sent to the list, but will be excluded from the archive. Is there any similar function for mailman lists? Thanks -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net From jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com Thu Jan 30 01:30:18 2003 From: jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com (Justin Georgeson) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:30:18 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive and .htaccess In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030129202933.03af7940@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: <3E38194B.6080806@unboundtech.com> <3E376810.2010705@unboundtech.com> <3E38194B.6080806@unboundtech.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20030129202933.03af7940@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <3E38721A.5010005@unboundtech.com> Richard Barrett wrote: > At 18:21 29/01/2003, Simon White wrote: > >> 29-Jan-03 at 12:11, Justin Georgeson (jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com) wrote : >> > Aha! I just noticed that the archive link from >> > >> > https:///mailman/listinfo// >> > >> > is >> > >> > http:///pipermail// >> > >> > This may seem odd, and I'd rather not go into detail, but >> > http:// and https:// are different VirtualHost >> > configurations in my Apache installation. If I type in the same archive >> > URL with a https it works. I saw a post in the archives of this list >> > (mailman-users) earlier this month which seemed to be a similar >> > situation: the URL's are not consistent. Any idea how I correct this? >> > The DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN variable in /var/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py is >> > set correctly (https://%s/mailman/). > > > The link to a list on the page generated by > ?prefix/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py is determined by each list's > web_page_url attribute. The value of this attribute is normally set when > the list is created and is based to DEFAULT_URL or DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN > combined with DEFAULT_URL_HOST or DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN values at that > time. Another list attribute set at the same time is it's host_name > attribute which is set to DEFAULT_HOST_NAME (or DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST if > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME is not defined). This is used in setting the link to > the archives on the page returned by the /listinfo/ URI. Every other link works so far. Only the archive link is wrong. I just set DEFAULT_URL and DEFAULT_HOST_NAME in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py. DEFAULT_HOST_NAME has the same value as DEFAULT_URL_HOST. DEFAULT_URL has the value of DEFAULT_HOST_NAME with https:// in front of it (can I use %s there instead, like DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN?). That didn't help. > If you want to change these list attributes for a given list then > ?prefix/bin/withlist is your friend. The standard MM 2.1 distribution I want to have the defaults set such that I don't have to run withlist/fix_url every time I create a list. I have one host that the lists are serverd off of, and I want all the links to be https instead of http. (Everything in the MailMan web interface should be viewed from https://myserver.unboundtech.com/...) > has the $prefix/bin/fix_url.py script wto be used in conjunction with > ?prefix/bin/withlist to reset a list's web_page_url and host_name. The > values to which web_page_url and host_name are set by fix_url.py depend > on the then current default MM parameters set in > $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py and $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and the > options you put on the command line when running fix_url. See the code Given that setting those two didn't fix my existing test list, I tried creating a second test list. I still have the same problem. Every link except the Archive link works. Should I interpret this as a bug, or am I still doing something wrong. I don't think I should have to manually patch every list I create just because I'm using an https server for the web interface. > in fix_url.py for deatils; python is quite easy to read. Indeed it is, once you get past the lack of statement delimiters and the fact that indentation level determintes scope. :) >> Interesting... I just made a similar change and I'm hoping it's going to >> work. Maybe it won't *shrug* >> >> My next thought is to use Apache to rewrite the urls. It can be done, >> but it should be consistent in Mailman in the first place. Anyone? >> >> -- >> |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. >> |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. >> |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. >> |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 > > -- Justin Georgeson UnBound Technologies, Inc. http://www.unboundtech.com Main 713.329.9330 Fax 713.460.4051 Mobile 512.789.1962 5295 Hollister Road Houston, TX 77040 Real Applications using Real Wireless Intelligence(tm) From Mark at Rauterkus.com Thu Jan 30 01:16:04 2003 From: Mark at Rauterkus.com (Mark Rauterkus) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:16:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Which functions??? Message-ID: <200301300018.h0U0Iwxq052933@rauterkus.com> Hi, How do you NUKE an address from ALL the lists on your server? Is there an Unsubscribe "ALL" trick? And, rather than looking at a dozen lists -- for one address -- is there a way to find out (as a SYSTEM ADMIN with Root) what lists an address is subscribed to??? - - Presently I'm going list-by-list snooping via the web interface. There has to be a better way. Presently, many of our church subscribers are not yet used to opting in and out of lists on their own. So, I get a message -- please unsubscribe me (email) from all the lists -- etc. I have little clue as to what list they might be on now. Thanks. Ta. Mark Rauterkus mark at Rauterkus.com From alex at phred.org Thu Jan 30 02:30:20 2003 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:30:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] spam filtering In-Reply-To: <00bc01c2c7f0$c8d0a2b0$0200a8c0@tbird> Message-ID: <20030129172913.D29271-100000@phred.org> On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Robin Rowe wrote: > Jon, > > Front-end your mailing lists with a procmail filter that uses > > SpamAssassin. > > Thanks, but as I said, I'm configuring mailman on a SourceForge-hosted > mailing list. Installing SpamAssassin there is not within my power. > > Can anyone answer my question as asked? Is it possible to use the mailman > spam filtering capabilities on message bodies as well as headers? If you automatically reject any email which isn't from list members then you'll probably find 99.9% of your SPAM go away. My popular lists get about 1 piece of spam on average a year and usually it is targetted from someone who took the time to sign up for the list in the first place. alex From alex at phred.org Thu Jan 30 02:31:46 2003 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:31:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Which functions??? In-Reply-To: <200301300018.h0U0Iwxq052933@rauterkus.com> Message-ID: <20030129173049.O29271-100000@phred.org> On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Mark Rauterkus wrote: > How do you NUKE an address from ALL the lists on your server? > > Is there an Unsubscribe "ALL" trick? > > And, rather than looking at a dozen lists -- for one address -- is there a > way to find out (as a SYSTEM ADMIN with Root) what lists an address is > subscribed to??? There are many useful tools in the ~mailman/bin directory. If you look there you'll see that one of them is find_member. It is a trivial job in any scripting language to do a find_member to get the list of lists that a member is subscribed to then run remove_member to unsubscribe them from all of those lists. alex From rower at MovieEditor.com Thu Jan 30 03:10:25 2003 From: rower at MovieEditor.com (Robin Rowe) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:10:25 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] spam filtering References: <20030129172913.D29271-100000@phred.org> Message-ID: <002101c2c804$c0d38ff0$0200a8c0@tbird> Alex, > If you automatically reject any email which isn't from list members then > you'll probably find 99.9% of your SPAM go away. Thanks, but I already do that. Can anyone answer my question as asked? Is it possible to use the mailman spam filtering capabilities on message bodies as well as headers? Cheers, Robin --------------------------------------------------------------------------- www.LinuxMovies.org www.FilmGimp.org www.OpenSourceProgrammers.org http://gtk-osx.sourceforge.net www.MovieEditor.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 30 05:30:55 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 22:30:55 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] spam filtering References: <007501c2c7b7$dd671c60$0200a8c0@tbird><1043880468.2721.51.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <00bc01c2c7f0$c8d0a2b0$0200a8c0@tbird> Message-ID: <001101c2c818$61e28280$1501a8c0@anncons2> Let me speak more clearly to you: No. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Rowe" To: "Mailman users Mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] spam filtering > Jon, > > > Front-end your mailing lists with a procmail filter that uses > > SpamAssassin. > > Thanks, but as I said, I'm configuring mailman on a SourceForge-hosted > mailing list. Installing SpamAssassin there is not within my power. > > Can anyone answer my question as asked? Is it possible to use the mailman > spam filtering capabilities on message bodies as well as headers? > > Cheers, > > Robin > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > www.LinuxMovies.org www.FilmGimp.org > www.OpenSourceProgrammers.org http://gtk-osx.sourceforge.net > www.MovieEditor.com > > On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 12:00, Robin Rowe wrote: > > By setting bounce_matching_headers I have mailman trapping some messages > > with content likely to be spam. This works really well, and I can approve > > the false positives to go through. I would like to check not just headers > > but the message body. There are a few phrases that would be good to catch > > there. Can I do that? > > > > The manual doesn't mention anything about this in the section, > > "Spam-specific posting filters". It would seem appropriate to say how to > do > > this there, or if it can't be done. > > > > http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html > > > > By the way, I'm administering mailman for a SourceForge list. Didn't set > it > > up myself. SourceForge creates some default spam filter rules, and I've > been > > adding to those. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Robin > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From tneff at grassyhill.org Thu Jan 30 04:59:33 2003 From: tneff at grassyhill.org (Tom Neff) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 22:59:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] spam filtering In-Reply-To: <00bc01c2c7f0$c8d0a2b0$0200a8c0@tbird> References: <007501c2c7b7$dd671c60$0200a8c0@tbird> <1043880468.2721.51.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <00bc01c2c7f0$c8d0a2b0$0200a8c0@tbird> Message-ID: <788206062.1043881173@[192.168.254.79]> --On Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:47 PM -0800 Robin Rowe wrote: > Can anyone answer my question as asked? Is it possible to use the mailman > spam filtering capabilities on message bodies as well as headers? At the risk of garnering another "that's not exactly what I asked," a 2.1 patch was posted to Sourceforge to allow this, a couple of months ago. From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 30 06:04:24 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 23:04:24 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a "no-archive" option? References: Message-ID: <002d01c2c81d$0efc0780$1501a8c0@anncons2> Mailman is Open Source and you can easily modify the code to handle both of those conditions. The module to modify would be ~mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py I don't believe Mailman currently implements a No Archive option - though I've never looked for one... Take care - Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Bassett" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 6:24 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a "no-archive" option? Two part question. 1) I tried a test message with the first line being NO ARCHIVE but that did not keep the message out of the archives of our list, as it does in some mailing list archives. Is there some other phrase or way that DOES do the trick? 2) Regardless of the answer to 1), is there some code that will keep "anything below this line" from ending up in the archived message? Example, I am on a betatesting list that has us include XXENDSXX on a line by itself. Anything below that line will show up in the message that gets sent to the list, but will be excluded from the archive. Is there any similar function for mailman lists? Thanks -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From fball at franciscans.com Thu Jan 30 05:26:09 2003 From: fball at franciscans.com (J. Frederick Ball OEF) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 22:26:09 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron Dameon msgs re: qrunner In-Reply-To: <002301c2ac51$fe9a2ac0$0200a8c0@family> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030129222130.0e30adf0@mail.jfredball.com> After upgrading to MM 2.1, I am getting the following e-mail msg from Con Daemon, one per minute: Subject: Cron /usr/local/bin/python2.2 -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ? from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 26, in ? from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO I looked at the qrunner file, and found that it was not dated the same as all others in the mailman/cron directory, so I copied the new qrunner from the work directory in the port. Then I started getting the following e-mail each minute: Run one or more qrunners, once or repeatedly. Each named runner class is run in round-robin fashion. In other words, the first named runner is run to consume all the files currently in its directory. When that qrunner is done, the next one is run to consume all the files in /its/ directory, and so on. The number of total iterations can be given on the command line. Usage: /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner [options] [etc. Snipped for space ...] So, I copied the old qrunner back into place. First message above returned each minute, but the mail is delivered. Anyone have a clue as to what's going on? Fred Ball From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 30 06:50:08 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 23:50:08 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron Dameon msgs re: qrunner References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030129222130.0e30adf0@mail.jfredball.com> Message-ID: <000901c2c823$72fa1dc0$1501a8c0@anncons2> Uhhh, you should remove that cron entry. Mailman version 2.1 does not use a cron activated qrunner instead it runs a daemon called Mailmanctl. In the upgrade instructions it tells you to remove the old cron entries before putting in the new cron entries. BTW, why are you running the mailman crons as root (as opposed to the more secure user "mailman")? Feel free to read the files README, INSTALL, and UPGRADE (in the main source directory), they will be of considerable help to you. Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Frederick Ball OEF" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:26 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron Dameon msgs re: qrunner > After upgrading to MM 2.1, I am getting the following e-mail msg from Con > Daemon, one per minute: > > Subject: Cron /usr/local/bin/python2.2 -S > /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ? > from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 26, in ? > from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO > ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO > > I looked at the qrunner file, and found that it was not dated the same as > all others in the mailman/cron directory, so I copied the new qrunner from > the work directory in the port. Then I started getting the following > e-mail each minute: > > Run one or more qrunners, once or repeatedly. > > Each named runner class is run in round-robin fashion. In other words, the > first named runner is run to consume all the files currently in its > directory. When that qrunner is done, the next one is run to consume all the > files in /its/ directory, and so on. The number of total iterations can be > given on the command line. > > Usage: /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner [options] > > [etc. Snipped for space ...] > > So, I copied the old qrunner back into place. First message above returned > each minute, but the mail is delivered. > > Anyone have a clue as to what's going on? > > Fred Ball > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Thu Jan 30 05:53:40 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 23:53:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a "no-archive" option? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030130045340.GB13803@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Kathryn Bassett wrote: > 2) Regardless of the answer to 1), is there some code that will keep > "anything below this line" from ending up in the archived message? > Example, I am on a betatesting list that has us include XXENDSXX on a line > by itself. Anything below that line will show up in the message that gets > sent to the list, but will be excluded from the archive. Is there any > similar function for mailman lists? Is there anything wrong with using the X-No-Archive header? - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insignificant premises -- Samuel Butler -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+OK/Tuv+09NZUB1oRAsUXAKCZR4R+SyNAgg8/3aIYETzicJrR1ACeL1lo VPU/GHcOR2JYdOo1jBusHOY= =FyDi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rower at MovieEditor.com Thu Jan 30 06:19:27 2003 From: rower at MovieEditor.com (Robin Rowe) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:19:27 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] spam filtering References: <007501c2c7b7$dd671c60$0200a8c0@tbird><1043880468.2721.51.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com><00bc01c2c7f0$c8d0a2b0$0200a8c0@tbird> <001101c2c818$61e28280$1501a8c0@anncons2> Message-ID: <001901c2c81f$29b5d900$0200a8c0@tbird> Jon, > > Can anyone answer my question as asked? Is it possible to use the mailman > > spam filtering capabilities on message bodies as well as headers? > Let me speak more clearly to you: No. No you can't answer, or no it can't be done? ;-) Thanks anyway! Robin From rower at MovieEditor.com Thu Jan 30 06:34:06 2003 From: rower at MovieEditor.com (Robin Rowe) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:34:06 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] spam filtering References: <007501c2c7b7$dd671c60$0200a8c0@tbird> <1043880468.2721.51.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <00bc01c2c7f0$c8d0a2b0$0200a8c0@tbird> <788206062.1043881173@[192.168.254.79]> Message-ID: <002c01c2c821$3505be40$0200a8c0@tbird> Tom, > At the risk of garnering another "that's not exactly what I asked," a 2.1 > patch was posted to Sourceforge to allow this, a couple of months ago. That's a great answer. Thanks! Robin --------------------------------------------------------------------------- www.LinuxMovies.org www.FilmGimp.org www.OpenSourceProgrammers.org http://gtk-osx.sourceforge.net www.MovieEditor.com From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 09:08:45 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:08:45 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive and .htaccess In-Reply-To: <3E38721A.5010005@unboundtech.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030129202933.03af7940@pop3.demon.co.uk> <3E38194B.6080806@unboundtech.com> <3E376810.2010705@unboundtech.com> <3E38194B.6080806@unboundtech.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20030129202933.03af7940@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030130080338.03af1528@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 00:30 30/01/2003, Justin Georgeson wrote: >Richard Barrett wrote: >>At 18:21 29/01/2003, Simon White wrote: >> >>>29-Jan-03 at 12:11, Justin Georgeson (jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com) wrote : >>> > Aha! I just noticed that the archive link from >>> > >>> > https:///mailman/listinfo// >>> > >>> > is >>> > >>> > http:///pipermail// >>> > >>> > This may seem odd, and I'd rather not go into detail, but >>> > http:// and https:// are different VirtualHost >>> > configurations in my Apache installation. If I type in the same archive >>> > URL with a https it works. I saw a post in the archives of this list >>> > (mailman-users) earlier this month which seemed to be a similar >>> > situation: the URL's are not consistent. Any idea how I correct this? >>> > The DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN variable in /var/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py is >>> > set correctly (https://%s/mailman/). >> >>The link to a list on the page generated by >>prefix/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py is determined by each list's web_page_url >>attribute. The value of this attribute is normally set when the list is >>created and is based to DEFAULT_URL or DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN combined with >>DEFAULT_URL_HOST or DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN values at that time. Another list >>attribute set at the same time is it's host_name attribute which is set >>to DEFAULT_HOST_NAME (or DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST if DEFAULT_HOST_NAME is not >>defined). This is used in setting the link to the archives on the page >>returned by the /listinfo/ URI. > >Every other link works so far. Only the archive link is wrong. > >I just set DEFAULT_URL and DEFAULT_HOST_NAME in >$prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py. DEFAULT_HOST_NAME has the same value as >DEFAULT_URL_HOST. DEFAULT_URL has the value of DEFAULT_HOST_NAME with >https:// in front of it (can I use %s there instead, like >DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN?). That didn't help. > >>If you want to change these list attributes for a given list then >>prefix/bin/withlist is your friend. The standard MM 2.1 distribution > >I want to have the defaults set such that I don't have to run >withlist/fix_url every time I create a list. I have one host that the >lists are serverd off of, and I want all the links to be https instead of >http. (Everything in the MailMan web interface should be viewed from >https://myserver.unboundtech.com/...) > >>has the $prefix/bin/fix_url.py script wto be used in conjunction with >>prefix/bin/withlist to reset a list's web_page_url and host_name. The >>values to which web_page_url and host_name are set by fix_url.py depend >>on the then current default MM parameters set in >>$prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py and $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and the options >>you put on the command line when running fix_url. See the code > >Given that setting those two didn't fix my existing test list, I tried >creating a second test list. I still have the same problem. Every link >except the Archive link works. > >Should I interpret this as a bug, or am I still doing something wrong. I >don't think I should have to manually patch every list I create just >because I'm using an https server for the web interface. Looks like the URL is generated by the GetBaseArchiveURL function in $prefix/Mailman/Archive/Archiver.py which bases it on the config variable PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL. Learn something new every day. >>in fix_url.py for deatils; python is quite easy to read. > >Indeed it is, once you get past the lack of statement delimiters and the >fact that indentation level determintes scope. :) > >>>Interesting... I just made a similar change and I'm hoping it's going to >>>work. Maybe it won't *shrug* >>> >>>My next thought is to use Apache to rewrite the urls. It can be done, >>>but it should be consistent in Mailman in the first place. Anyone? >>> >>>-- >>>|-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. >>>|-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. >>>|-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. >>>|-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 > >-- >Justin Georgeson >UnBound Technologies, Inc. >http://www.unboundtech.com >Main 713.329.9330 >Fax 713.460.4051 >Mobile 512.789.1962 > >5295 Hollister Road >Houston, TX 77040 >Real Applications using Real Wireless Intelligence(tm) > From simon at mtds.com Thu Jan 30 09:31:58 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:31:58 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't admin pending messages In-Reply-To: <3E384547.7040602@perkel.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030129210315.03af9428@pop3.demon.co.uk> <3E384547.7040602@perkel.com> Message-ID: <20030130083157.GB8440@mtds.com> 29-Jan-03 at 13:19, Marc Perkel (marc at perkel.com) wrote : > Richard Barrett wrote: > >At 19:44 29/01/2003, Marc Perkel wrote: > > > >>I think it was working and quit. I upgraded to Mailman 2.1 and I > >>can't admin pending messages. It shows the pending messages with the > >>choices - but if I select to approve, reject, or discard - nothing > >>happens after I click submit. The same messages are still there and > >>still pending. > >> > >>What am I doing wrong? > > > >Anything showing in Mailman error (or other) logs? > > > >Are your ermissions OK. Did you run $bin/check_perms -f after upgrading? > > Yep - reran check_perms and everything fine. Everything is in the right > group - has the right permissions. Even rebooted the server. Nothing > showing in the logs. And - I'm pretty sure it was working right after > the upgrade and it quit for some reason. I have a second server with a > nearly identical install and it works. I even changed the permissions on > the hold files to 777 and no difference. If I manually delete the files > it does make them go away. > > I'm stumped. Are your qrunner processes running and all the regular things like that? How about your locks directory? Sometimes I do this: stop mailman... go into the locks directory, delete all listname-* files, start mailman. This usually helps. -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From simon at mtds.com Thu Jan 30 10:14:05 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:14:05 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Bug] Cookie from older version In-Reply-To: <20030129213726.GK11294@hq.newdream.net> References: <20030129213726.GK11294@hq.newdream.net> Message-ID: <20030130091404.GF8440@mtds.com> 29-Jan-03 at 13:37, Will Yardley (william+mm at hq.newdream.net) wrote : > If you have an old cookie from Mailman 2.0.x, you'll have to re-login > for every page until you manually clear the cookie from your browser > (after upgrading to 2.1). > > Is there any way to fix this in the future? With some browsers, it's not > simple to remove an individual cookie. On WinBlows, you can delete individual cookies in the "Temporary Internet Files" directory. In Netscape and clones there's usually a cookies / cookies.txt file Opera has cookies.dat They can be edited. -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From simon at mtds.com Thu Jan 30 10:16:41 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:16:41 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 list creation In-Reply-To: <1043877080.2717.39.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <00ca01c2c789$08dfb200$6500a8c0@WILLSPC.LOCAL> <1043877080.2717.39.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030130091641.GG8440@mtds.com> 29-Jan-03 at 16:51, Jon Carnes (jonc at nc.rr.com) wrote : > If you can get shell access to the server you can use the > ~mailman/bin/genaliases command to generate the aliases for your created > lists. You could simply redirect the output of that command into a > local aliases file and then include that aliases file in your MTA's list > of aliases that it checks. Indeed, it can be almost automagic with Postfix, though I believe RAQ3 uses sendmail by default. You could have a little script doing something like this: cat $prefix/mailman/data/aliases > /etc/aliases (where $prefix is mailman prefix, and /etc/aliases is your sendmail alias file) Maybe sendmail can even source several alias files. You may need to adjust this for virtual alias compatibility, etc. Mailman is virtual aware if I read the docs properly. -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From simon at mtds.com Thu Jan 30 10:31:09 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:31:09 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi-user / create.py In-Reply-To: <3E387567.29832.56E5C81@localhost> References: <3E387567.29832.56E5C81@localhost> Message-ID: <20030130093109.GK8440@mtds.com> 30-Jan-03 at 00:44, friedrich28 at gmx.de (friedrich28 at gmx.de) wrote : > Hi there, > > this may seem to you as a simple question, but I'd appreciate some help. I've run > mailman's configure-script with the option --with-cgi-gid=www and --with-mail-gid=- > 2. Now when I'm trying to create a list via www with the create-script, I get the > error: RuntimeError: command failed: /sw/sbin/postalias > /Users/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted). Which certainly > is a permissions problem, because running postalias directly as the user mailman > updates aliases.db without problems. And, btw, the new list appears correctly in > the aliases file. > > But I don't understand at which end this is wrong. Was the cgi-gid set wrong? Or > do I need to change the ownership of the aliases files? check-perms renders no > errors. Do I need to tell mailman/create.py to run postaliases as user mailman, and > if so, how do I do that? Does postalias run as www ? Anything created via the web is going to run as the cgi-gid, i.e. www -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From lists at monkeez.co.uk Thu Jan 30 11:00:20 2003 From: lists at monkeez.co.uk (Adam) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 10:00:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive configuration and graphics not appearing In-Reply-To: <20030130093109.GK8440@mtds.com> References: <3E387567.29832.56E5C81@localhost> <20030130093109.GK8440@mtds.com> Message-ID: <1043920820.3e38f7b4ec494@webmail.monkeez.co.uk> Apologies for lumping two problems in to one mail, but it'll save time if I try to address both in one go. Running mailman 2.1 on apache 1.3.23 with mandrake linux 9. Firstly, my pipermail archives aren't showing up. I've configured httpd.conf to have Alias /pipermail/ "/var/lib/mailman/archives/public/" Options FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None (and tweaked around with the sytax of this). I've also run check_perms with -f flag with no problems. There are messages in the archive which is made public. The symlinks exist in public directory. I'm at a loss at what to do now. Also, my images aren't showing up. I'm not sure where they are in the hierarchy of mailman (I've installed prefix=/var/lib/mailman). Is it even possible to change these? Ideally I'd like to make them smaller and lump them into one graphic. Thanks in advance. adam From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 11:03:50 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 10:03:50 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 list creation In-Reply-To: <1043877080.2717.39.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <00ca01c2c789$08dfb200$6500a8c0@WILLSPC.LOCAL> <00ca01c2c789$08dfb200$6500a8c0@WILLSPC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030130095120.03afec38@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 21:51 29/01/2003, Jon Carnes wrote: >If you can get shell access to the server you can use the >~mailman/bin/genaliases command to generate the aliases for your created >lists. You could simply redirect the output of that command into a >local aliases file and then include that aliases file in your MTA's list >of aliases that it checks. > >Jon Carnes > If the MTA is sendmail then there is an option of using a sendmail mailer to deliver to Mailman, if the only mail aliases on the server are the small number of standard local aliases, e.g. postmaster, and those for Mailman lists. If the machine is also hosting aliases for individual users then forget I posted this. MM 2.1 has the mm-handler contrib which is a sendmail mailer implemented in Perl. There is also a Python implementation available which I have posted as MM patch #644810 on sourceforge. Note that the Perl contrib isn't entirely bullet-proof, unless the author has recently fixed an issue I raised a while back. Using these sendmail mailers can completely eliminate maintenance of mail aliases on a list server. Create the list with MM through the web GUI and its ready to go. The downside is some hassle getting sendmail setup right and I wouldn't rate this as a job for a sendmail novice unless he is a persistent one like me. But once that is done, no alias maintenance hassle. I started out using the Perl contrib (originally with my own modifications to work with MM 2.0.13 rather than 2.1) but now use the Python version on a dedicated list server machine and its backup, which are currently hosting over 450 fairly lightly loaded lists. The list population is fairly dynamic and the use of the sendmail mailer works well for me. >On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 06:24, Will Nordmeyer wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm using mailman 2.1 on a Cobalt RAQ3 and trying to use the web > > interface to create a list. > > > > It creates the list, but doesn't add any entries to either the aliases > > file or the virtusertable. It also doesn't provide a list of what > > entries need to be added. > > > > It doesn't seem that I have everything configured right but don't see > > anything in the INSTALL doc about the settings. > > > > Can someone help please? From delilah at seyyav.pair.com Thu Jan 30 14:54:10 2003 From: delilah at seyyav.pair.com (delilah at seyyav.pair.com) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:54:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, I'm running mailman 2.0.6 and have run into an issue with subscriber members using the listinfo page. When ever it is used it give the 'we hit a bug' page. If one of the field is left blank the script excutes correctly stating that one of the fields in empty. I check the error logs and this what I found: admin(66543): File "../Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 74, in main admin(66543): File "../Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 185, in process_form admin(66543): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/mailman/cgi-bin/subscribe admin(66543): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/subscribe admin(66543): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/subscribe/foomanchu Line 185 in subscribe.py is the mlist.AddMember(email, pw, digest, remote) All the info being entered in correct, any ideas what would cause the mlist.AddMember function to fail? Where is the mlist.AddMember function located? Any suggestions as to what to check? I don't know if this matters but I running the exact same setup on another machine but with python 2.0, the machine that is getting the error is running python 2.2.2. Sean From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 30 15:27:23 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 30 Jan 2003 09:27:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about reply-to munging In-Reply-To: <20030129192716.GB17058@dirac.org> References: <20030129192716.GB17058@dirac.org> Message-ID: <1043936847.2245.6.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> This isn't quite a feature of Mailman. If you wanted to hack into Mailman and make that change, then it looks like a good place to start would be: ~mailman/Mailman/MailList.py Another of the usual suspects would be: ~mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py You will find most of Mailman's source code in ~mailman/Mailman and it's subdirectories. So, cd /usr/local/mailman/Mailman grep -i reply_to * grep -i reply_to */* Good Luck, and be sure to publish what you find out! Jon On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 14:27, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > dear all, > > i set up a mailman list a long time ago with reply-to munging enabled. > i'd rather not change that, because i foresee a billion emails "why > aren't my emails going to the list anymore"? > > normally, sent email doesn't contain "reply-to:" unless the > user specifically sets it. > > is there a way for mailman to set reply-to back to the list *except* for > the case where someone explicitly sets the reply-to himself? that way, > users have a choice. > > if not, > > 1. can i request this as a feature? > > 2. if i were to hack mailman to try to implement this feature, where > would i start to look for the relevent code? > > pete > > > -- > First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, > then you win. -- Gandhi, being prophetic about Linux. > > Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 30 15:29:53 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 30 Jan 2003 09:29:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't admin pending messages In-Reply-To: <3E384547.7040602@perkel.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030129210315.03af9428@pop3.demon.co.uk> <3E384547.7040602@perkel.com> Message-ID: <1043936996.2241.8.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Are you allowing cookies in this browser? What happens if you enter the admindb via a different browser? On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 16:19, Marc Perkel wrote: > > > Richard Barrett wrote: > > > At 19:44 29/01/2003, Marc Perkel wrote: > > > >> I think it was working and quit. I upgraded to Mailman 2.1 and I > >> can't admin pending messages. It shows the pending messages with the > >> choices - but if I select to approve, reject, or discard - nothing > >> happens after I click submit. The same messages are still there and > >> still pending. > >> > >> What am I doing wrong? > > > > > > Anything showing in Mailman error (or other) logs? > > > > Are your ermissions OK. Did you run $bin/check_perms -f after upgrading? > > Yep - reran check_perms and everything fine. Everything is in the right > group - has the right permissions. Even rebooted the server. Nothing > showing in the logs. And - I'm pretty sure it was working right after > the upgrade and it quit for some reason. I have a second server with a > nearly identical install and it works. I even changed the permissions on > the hold files to 777 and no difference. If I manually delete the files > it does make them go away. > > I'm stumped. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 30 15:38:47 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 30 Jan 2003 09:38:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing list headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1043937531.2245.12.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Sorry you didn't include all the previous message in your reply, so I'm guessing that you are talking about the digest messages...? For the Digest's you should look at one of the Handlers: ~mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py It looks like this is going to be a very simple hack for you to make! Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 15:15, Tom Maddox wrote: > Okay, I give--what source changes do I need to make to alter the default > headers? > > > If you are a sysadmin on the server, you can modify the source to leave > > that out... > > > > On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 11:39, VLists.Net Support wrote: > > > -> On 12:22 PM 1/23/2003 -0800, Tom Maddox was quoted as saying...: > > > > > > ->In addition to this problem, the Reply-To: header includes > > the short list > > > ->description (not the title but the description). Is there > > any way to change > > > ->*that*? > > > > > > Here, Here! The "short list description" isn't so short in > > some cases and > > > really botches up the reply line. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: tmaddox at thereinc.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/tmaddox%40thereinc.com > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 30 15:47:39 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 30 Jan 2003 09:47:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error: Illegal list name: test@mail In-Reply-To: <004101c2c7dd$804ee870$030aa8c0@visemaho> References: <004101c2c7dd$804ee870$030aa8c0@visemaho> Message-ID: <1043938063.2245.18.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 16:29, Alfred wrote: > Hi, > > i upgrade from 2.0 to 2.1 the command /var/mailman/bin/newlist > can not create a new list, So you installed Mailman v2.1 in /var/mailman instead of /usr/local/mailman? If the newlist command does not work then something is deeply wrong with your install. You will need to fix that before you can do anything else. How did you install/upgrade Mailman: via Source or via RPM (or apt get...)? What OS are you running on? Have you completely read the UPGRADE document and followed it's directions? Have you read the INSTALL document and followed it's directions? Good Luck - Jon Carnes > over the web i like to create a new list > called test but after click the create button it shows me the error: > Error: Illegal list name: test at mail > but i dont fill a @ in the form and from where comes "@mail" ??? > > thanks > > Alfred > From delilah at seyyav.pair.com Thu Jan 30 15:48:11 2003 From: delilah at seyyav.pair.com (delilah at seyyav.pair.com) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:48:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Subscribing problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think I found the problem, I changed the permissions for the ~mailman/data/pending_subscriptions.db file to 664 and the error went away. What should the permissions be for the pending_subscriptions.db file? Sean On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 delilah at seyyav.pair.com wrote: > Hi, > > I'm running mailman 2.0.6 and have run into an issue with subscriber > members using the listinfo page. When ever it is used it give the 'we hit > a bug' page. If one of the field is left blank the script excutes > correctly stating that one of the fields in empty. > > I check the error logs and this what I found: > > admin(66543): File "../Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 74, in main > admin(66543): File "../Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 185, in > process_form > admin(66543): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/mailman/cgi-bin/subscribe > admin(66543): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/subscribe > admin(66543): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/subscribe/foomanchu > > Line 185 in subscribe.py is the mlist.AddMember(email, pw, digest, remote) > > All the info being entered in correct, any ideas what would cause the > mlist.AddMember function to fail? Where is the mlist.AddMember function > located? Any suggestions as to what to check? > > I don't know if this matters but I running the exact same setup on another > machine but with python 2.0, the machine that is getting the error is > running python 2.2.2. > > Sean > > From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 30 15:54:58 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 30 Jan 2003 09:54:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending.pck - what does this file do? In-Reply-To: <3E38481B.4060905@perkel.com> References: <3E38481B.4060905@perkel.com> Message-ID: <1043938503.2245.21.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 16:31, Marc Perkel wrote: > What does the pending.pck file do? > The pending file is well documented in: /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py Take a look in there for all the functions it performs. Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 30 16:46:35 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 30 Jan 2003 10:46:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 list creation In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030130095120.03afec38@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: <00ca01c2c789$08dfb200$6500a8c0@WILLSPC.LOCAL> <00ca01c2c789$08dfb200$6500a8c0@WILLSPC.LOCAL> <5.1.1.6.0.20030130095120.03afec38@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <1043941598.2245.55.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> An alternative way to eliminate the handling of aliases is to move to Postfix and use the Mailman/Postfix integration. Now that is a win-win situation. You can actually mimic this integration with Sendmail if you use a cron script (or modify the new-list app to include the script commands), to run genaliases and pump the output to a local file which you then hash via newaliases: ~mailman/data/aliases ~malman/data/aliases.db After that you simply edit /etc/sendmail.cf to look at both alias files: /etc/aliases, and ~mailman/data/aliases Hope this helps someone - Jon Carnes (reformed Sendmail junkie) === On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 05:03, Richard Barrett wrote: > At 21:51 29/01/2003, Jon Carnes wrote: > >If you can get shell access to the server you can use the > >~mailman/bin/genaliases command to generate the aliases for your created > >lists. You could simply redirect the output of that command into a > >local aliases file and then include that aliases file in your MTA's list > >of aliases that it checks. > > > >Jon Carnes > > > > If the MTA is sendmail then there is an option of using a sendmail mailer > to deliver to Mailman, if the only mail aliases on the server are the small > number of standard local aliases, e.g. postmaster, and those for Mailman > lists. If the machine is also hosting aliases for individual users then > forget I posted this. > > MM 2.1 has the mm-handler contrib which is a sendmail mailer implemented in > Perl. There is also a Python implementation available which I have posted > as MM patch #644810 on sourceforge. Note that the Perl contrib isn't > entirely bullet-proof, unless the author has recently fixed an issue I > raised a while back. > > Using these sendmail mailers can completely eliminate maintenance of mail > aliases on a list server. Create the list with MM through the web GUI and > its ready to go. The downside is some hassle getting sendmail setup right > and I wouldn't rate this as a job for a sendmail novice unless he is a > persistent one like me. But once that is done, no alias maintenance hassle. > > I started out using the Perl contrib (originally with my own modifications > to work with MM 2.0.13 rather than 2.1) but now use the Python version on a > dedicated list server machine and its backup, which are currently hosting > over 450 fairly lightly loaded lists. The list population is fairly dynamic > and the use of the sendmail mailer works well for me. > > >On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 06:24, Will Nordmeyer wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm using mailman 2.1 on a Cobalt RAQ3 and trying to use the web > > > interface to create a list. > > > > > > It creates the list, but doesn't add any entries to either the aliases > > > file or the virtusertable. It also doesn't provide a list of what > > > entries need to be added. > > > > > > It doesn't seem that I have everything configured right but don't see > > > anything in the INSTALL doc about the settings. > > > > > > Can someone help please? > > From simon at mtds.com Thu Jan 30 16:53:09 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:53:09 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 list creation In-Reply-To: <1043941598.2245.55.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <00ca01c2c789$08dfb200$6500a8c0@WILLSPC.LOCAL> <00ca01c2c789$08dfb200$6500a8c0@WILLSPC.LOCAL> <5.1.1.6.0.20030130095120.03afec38@pop3.demon.co.uk> <1043941598.2245.55.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030130155308.GG9162@mtds.com> 30-Jan-03 at 10:46, Jon Carnes (jonc at nc.rr.com) wrote : > An alternative way to eliminate the handling of aliases is to move to > Postfix and use the Mailman/Postfix integration. Now that is a win-win > situation. > > You can actually mimic this integration with Sendmail if you use a cron > script (or modify the new-list app to include the script commands), to > run genaliases and pump the output to a local file which you then hash > via newaliases: > ~mailman/data/aliases > ~malman/data/aliases.db > > After that you simply edit /etc/sendmail.cf to look at both alias files: > /etc/aliases, and > ~mailman/data/aliases If you've never edited /etc/sendmail.cf, and recreated your configs, etc, then moving to Postfix and finding how much easier it is to configure will be the best move you ever made. (also a reformed sendmail "junkie"... but the addiction was forced by the legacy install I inherited. Just as I got the hang of it, we needed more functionality, and I didn't want to get buried in m4, mc, cf hell again). -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From little at abaqus.com Thu Jan 30 16:56:03 2003 From: little at abaqus.com (Jim Littlefield) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 10:56:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest message header filtering Message-ID: <20030130155603.GE290@ragnarok.hks.com> A number of the subscribers to my lists have complained about the "unimportant" headers (Message-ID, In-Reply-To, etc.) included with each post when receiving a plain digest. I am talking about headers within the digest. Has anyone figured out a good way to strip these out? -- Jim Littlefield "All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand." - Steven Wright From jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com Thu Jan 30 17:14:08 2003 From: jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com (Justin Georgeson) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 10:14:08 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive and .htaccess In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030130080338.03af1528@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030129202933.03af7940@pop3.demon.co.uk> <3E38194B.6080806@unboundtech.com> <3E376810.2010705@unboundtech.com> <3E38194B.6080806@unboundtech.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20030129202933.03af7940@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030130080338.03af1528@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <3E394F50.9040106@unboundtech.com> Now it all works. Thanks! Richard Barrett wrote: > At 00:30 30/01/2003, Justin Georgeson wrote: > > >> Richard Barrett wrote: >> >>> At 18:21 29/01/2003, Simon White wrote: >>> >>>> 29-Jan-03 at 12:11, Justin Georgeson (jgeorgeson at unboundtech.com) >>>> wrote : >>>> > Aha! I just noticed that the archive link from >>>> > >>>> > https:///mailman/listinfo// >>>> > >>>> > is >>>> > >>>> > http:///pipermail// >>>> > >>>> > This may seem odd, and I'd rather not go into detail, but >>>> > http:// and https:// are different VirtualHost >>>> > configurations in my Apache installation. If I type in the same >>>> archive >>>> > URL with a https it works. I saw a post in the archives of this list >>>> > (mailman-users) earlier this month which seemed to be a similar >>>> > situation: the URL's are not consistent. Any idea how I correct this? >>>> > The DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN variable in >>>> /var/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py is >>>> > set correctly (https://%s/mailman/). >>> >>> >>> The link to a list on the page generated by >>> prefix/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py is determined by each list's >>> web_page_url attribute. The value of this attribute is normally set >>> when the list is created and is based to DEFAULT_URL or >>> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN combined with DEFAULT_URL_HOST or >>> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN values at that time. Another list attribute set >>> at the same time is it's host_name attribute which is set to >>> DEFAULT_HOST_NAME (or DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST if DEFAULT_HOST_NAME is not >>> defined). This is used in setting the link to the archives on the >>> page returned by the /listinfo/ URI. >> >> >> Every other link works so far. Only the archive link is wrong. >> >> I just set DEFAULT_URL and DEFAULT_HOST_NAME in >> $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py. DEFAULT_HOST_NAME has the same value as >> DEFAULT_URL_HOST. DEFAULT_URL has the value of DEFAULT_HOST_NAME with >> https:// in front of it (can I use %s there instead, like >> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN?). That didn't help. >> >>> If you want to change these list attributes for a given list then >>> prefix/bin/withlist is your friend. The standard MM 2.1 distribution >> >> >> I want to have the defaults set such that I don't have to run >> withlist/fix_url every time I create a list. I have one host that the >> lists are serverd off of, and I want all the links to be https instead >> of http. (Everything in the MailMan web interface should be viewed >> from https://myserver.unboundtech.com/...) >> >>> has the $prefix/bin/fix_url.py script wto be used in conjunction with >>> prefix/bin/withlist to reset a list's web_page_url and host_name. The >>> values to which web_page_url and host_name are set by fix_url.py >>> depend on the then current default MM parameters set in >>> $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py and $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and the >>> options you put on the command line when running fix_url. See the code >> >> >> Given that setting those two didn't fix my existing test list, I tried >> creating a second test list. I still have the same problem. Every link >> except the Archive link works. >> >> Should I interpret this as a bug, or am I still doing something wrong. >> I don't think I should have to manually patch every list I create just >> because I'm using an https server for the web interface. > > > Looks like the URL is generated by the GetBaseArchiveURL function in > $prefix/Mailman/Archive/Archiver.py which bases it on the config > variable PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL. Learn something new every day. > > >>> in fix_url.py for deatils; python is quite easy to read. >> >> >> Indeed it is, once you get past the lack of statement delimiters and >> the fact that indentation level determintes scope. :) >> >>>> Interesting... I just made a similar change and I'm hoping it's >>>> going to >>>> work. Maybe it won't *shrug* >>>> >>>> My next thought is to use Apache to rewrite the urls. It can be done, >>>> but it should be consistent in Mailman in the first place. Anyone? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. >>>> |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. >>>> |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. >>>> |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 >> >> >> -- >> Justin Georgeson >> UnBound Technologies, Inc. >> http://www.unboundtech.com >> Main 713.329.9330 >> Fax 713.460.4051 >> Mobile 512.789.1962 >> >> 5295 Hollister Road >> Houston, TX 77040 >> Real Applications using Real Wireless Intelligence(tm) >> -- Justin Georgeson UnBound Technologies, Inc. http://www.unboundtech.com Main 713.329.9330 Fax 713.460.4051 Mobile 512.789.1962 5295 Hollister Road Houston, TX 77040 Real Applications using Real Wireless Intelligence(tm) From skip at pobox.com Wed Jan 29 05:11:29 2003 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:11:29 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Nothing gets archived... Message-ID: <15927.21617.623403.582421@montanaro.dyndns.org> (Please cc me on any replies, as I'm not subscribed to this list.) I've been using Mailman for a couple years to run several small private, non-archived mailing lists. Today, I tried creating a public, archived mailing list for the first time. The list mail comes and goes just fine, but nothing turns up in the archives as far as I can tell. I googled a bit but couldn't find anything helpful. I'm hoping one of the experts here can steer me quickly in the right direction before a lot of mail messages flow through unarchived. Here's my configuration: mailman 2.0.9 built from source running on Mandrake Linux with (I believe) Python 2.1.1. (I hesitate a bit there because I have several versions of Python installed. The mailman user sees /usr/bin/python before /usr/local/bin/python though.) ~mailman is /home/mailman. The relevant bits of the archives tree looks like so: % ls -lR archives archives: total 2 drwxr-s--x 24 skip mailman 1024 Jan 28 21:44 private/ drwxrwsr-x 2 skip mailman 1024 Jan 28 21:46 public/ archives/private: total 22 drwxrwsr-x 2 skip mailman 1024 Jan 28 21:44 csv.mbox/ archives/private/csv.mbox: total 0 archives/public: total 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 skip mailman 19 Jan 28 21:44 csv -> ../private/csv.mbox/ I manually renamed archives/public/csv.mbox to archives/public/csv because the link to the list archives web page is to http://manatee.mojam.com/pipermail/csv/ Speaking of which, the Mailman portion of my Apache config file looks like so: ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/" Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/" Options FollowSymLinks Indexes SetHandler cgi-script Options ExecCGI The only new bits I added today were the Alias directive and the stuff. The ScriptAlias directive and stuff were there before and work fine. I can get to http://manatee.mojam.com/pipermail/csv/ just fine, but there's nothing there. Do archive messages not get appended immediately as mail transits the system? Here's mailman's crontab: # At 5PM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests 0 17 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs # # Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold delivery. 0 12 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests # # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders. 0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds # # Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail. You can comment this one out # if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right now, # or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling. #0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news # # At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file. Only # turn this on if the internal archiver is used and # GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py 27 3 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip # # Retry failed deliveries once per minute. * * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner and the relevant entries in /etc/mail/aliases: ## csv mailing list ## created: 28-Jan-2003 skip csv: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post csv" csv-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner csv" csv-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd csv" csv-owner: csv-admin I didn't dink around with the archive settings. The archive options are all defaults: archive messages, archive file source is public, archive date is when the mail claims and new volumes should be started monthly. What am I missing? Thx, -- Skip Montanaro skip at pobox.com http://www.musi-cal.com/ From bobby-denise at nova1.net Wed Jan 29 04:32:04 2003 From: bobby-denise at nova1.net (Bobby and Denise) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:32:04 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is Mailman right for my app? Message-ID: I'm building a web application in PHP to upload multiple mailing lists via text files and merge the addresses (eliminate duplicates) to create a single list. This final list will reside in my web db, and can have up to 50,000 email addresses. Up to this point is no problem, but... I need to then be able to create a mailing list from the list in my db (preferably by writing to a text file), and launch a mailer to the list via the mail server. After sending a single message I no longer need the list-- i.e. I can completely overwrite it next time, and someone else manages opt-outs. I would like to capture bounce info back into by application db though. My hosting company recommends Mailman. Is Mailman the right mail server software for me? Better than Majordomo and Mojomail (also available via my host on my vps)? I see the list mgmt guide, but I don't need to maintain the list at all, nor do I need to send another message to this list ever. If so, where can I find the documentation on how to create mailing lists remotely (with a web page)? Thanks to anyone who can help. --Bobby From gareth at za.uu.net Wed Jan 29 01:01:53 2003 From: gareth at za.uu.net (Gareth Hopkins) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 02:01:53 +0200 (SAST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Full headers in archive Message-ID: <20030129020032.D4872-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> Howdie, Is there anyway to get the full headers of messages added when messages are archived? At the moment only the senders address is shown. This is using mailman 2.1 Thanks --- Gareth Hopkins Server Operations UUNET South Africa (o) +27.21.658.8700 (f) +27.21.658.8552 (m) +27.82.929.6668 http://www.uunet.co.za 08600 UUNET (08600 88638) "The contents of this e-mail and any accompanying documentation is confidential and any use thereof, in whatever form, by anyone other than the addressee for whom it is intended, is strictly prohibited." From shaju_nambiar at rediffmail.com Wed Jan 29 09:24:57 2003 From: shaju_nambiar at rediffmail.com (Shaju Nambiar) Date: 29 Jan 2003 08:24:57 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Doubts Message-ID: <20030129082457.12150.qmail@webmail9.rediffmail.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030129/4408c663/attachment.pot From esel at esel.at Wed Jan 29 12:15:04 2003 From: esel at esel.at (eSeL) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:15:04 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribing mailman via mail? Message-ID: <004c01c2c787$b1bc3850$4a69bad4@SERVER> hi, i am runing a few lists on mailman, and i want users to subscribe via email. 1. a) what is to be written in the subject-line of a mail if a user wants to subscribe via mail (without web-interface?) b) ...to subscribe the "daily digest-option" 2. who to send it to? listname-request at listprovider.net? i could not find any information on this in the documentation. or is there an online-manual on this somewhere? *** i am not subscribed on your list, so please reply to my direct mailaccount (mailto:esel at esel.at) thank you very much Lorenz Seidler From dreambig at onepost.net Wed Jan 29 18:32:40 2003 From: dreambig at onepost.net (Abbo Peterson) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:32:40 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'Pre-sales' questions... Message-ID: Before I consider Mailman as a newsletter mail list solution, I have a few questions. I hope you have time to answer them... - Does Mailman allow you to create custom headers/footers? That is, can I write specific text and have it be inserted before and after the body of each email? You know, "You received this message because... (header)" and "If you wish to be removed from this list... (footer)" - Does Mailman support attachments, styled text and HTML email formats? I'm not a technical guy, is this question about multipart or MIME support? I have multiple people who can send email to the list. Several use HTML email clients. Does Mailman support that? Does Mailman support styled text (bold, color, size changes)? Does Mailman support sending attachments? - KEY: Is the header/footer feature supported when using email formats other than plain text? I currently use SmartList for our mailing list needs. As soon as the email Content-Type is -not- plain text, the header/footer is omitted from the email. Grrr. This happens anytime someone attaches a file, styles text or uses the HTML email format. I need a mail list solution that supports custom headers/footers -with- email Content-Types besides plain text. Thanks in advance, Abbo From vdobbins at uidaho.edu Wed Jan 29 11:02:40 2003 From: vdobbins at uidaho.edu (Vanessa Dobbins) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:02:40 +0000 (PST8PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help text Message-ID: <3E37A6C0.23366.676551@localhost> Are there on-line 'help' documents available for Mailman, other than consulting members of a newsgroup? Thanks. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Vanessa Dobbins Supervisor, CNR Services College of Natural Resources University of Idaho, Moscow, ID 83844-1130 Phone: 208-885-6581; Fax: 208-885-6226 http://www.its.uidaho.edu/forserv/ From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net Thu Jan 30 17:36:27 2003 From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes) Date: 30 Jan 2003 08:36:27 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] spam filtering In-Reply-To: <00bc01c2c7f0$c8d0a2b0$0200a8c0@tbird> References: <007501c2c7b7$dd671c60$0200a8c0@tbird> <1043880468.2721.51.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <00bc01c2c7f0$c8d0a2b0$0200a8c0@tbird> Message-ID: <1043944589.15431.25.camel@galileo.carola.lan> On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 15:47, Robin Rowe wrote: > > Front-end your mailing lists with a procmail filter that uses > > SpamAssassin. > > Thanks, but as I said, I'm configuring mailman on a SourceForge-hosted > mailing list. Installing SpamAssassin there is not within my power. > > Can anyone answer my question as asked? Is it possible to use the mailman > spam filtering capabilities on message bodies as well as headers? Robin, FAQ 3.10. How do I enforce a text/plain posts only policy? http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.010.htp -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ http://sitedocs.sf.net/ http://ffl.sf.net/ From simon at mtds.com Thu Jan 30 17:04:14 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:04:14 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest message header filtering In-Reply-To: <20030130155603.GE290@ragnarok.hks.com> References: <20030130155603.GE290@ragnarok.hks.com> Message-ID: <20030130160414.GI9162@mtds.com> 30-Jan-03 at 10:56, Jim Littlefield (little at abaqus.com) wrote : > A number of the subscribers to my lists have complained about the > "unimportant" headers (Message-ID, In-Reply-To, etc.) included with each > post when receiving a plain digest. I am talking about headers within > the digest. Has anyone figured out a good way to strip these out? If you have Postfix as an MTA, then you can do body_checks on the email *body* only to silently ignore any lines with extraneous headers by using a regexp to ignore them. However, this is best done on a server which is not also an all-purpose MTA in case people forward full headers to others for analysis. Other solutions from your MTA of choice are possible, in Mailman itself you'd have to hack Digester.py. At first glance, it looks like it pretty much forwards plaintext mbox style, to Handlers/ToDigest.py. This handles MIME conversion where necessary. Interesting part of ToDigest.py # rfc1153 says we should keep only these headers, and present them in # this # exact order. KEEP = ['Date', 'From', 'To', 'Cc', 'Subject', 'Message-ID', 'Keywords', # I believe we should also keep these headers though. 'In-Reply-To', 'References', 'Content-Type', 'MIME-Version', 'Content-Transfer-Encoding', 'Precedence', 'Reply-To', # Mailman 2.0 adds these headers, but they don't need to be kept # from # the original message: Message ] Hacking that might allow you to get rid of those headers quite simply, breaking RFC1153 in the process, perhaps. (I think I should stop promoting Postfix on the Mailman list now...) -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From skip at pobox.com Thu Jan 30 17:41:02 2003 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 10:41:02 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Nothing gets archived... In-Reply-To: <15927.21617.623403.582421@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <15929.21918.510186.109838@montanaro.dyndns.org> Skip> I've been using Mailman for a couple years to run several small Skip> private, non-archived mailing lists. Today, I tried creating a Skip> public, archived mailing list for the first time. The list mail Skip> comes and goes just fine, but nothing turns up in the archives as Skip> far as I can tell. I googled a bit but couldn't find anything Skip> helpful. I'm hoping one of the experts here can steer me quickly Skip> in the right direction before a lot of mail messages flow through Skip> unarchived. After posting my message and getting a "held for the moderator" response but not hearing anything for awhile (thinking maybe the message had been "discard"ed), I decided to bite the bullet and upgrade to Mailman 2.1. I now have archives. Dunno what was wrong w/ my MM 2.0.9 installation, but the problem is fixed now. Thx, Skip From little at abaqus.com Thu Jan 30 17:49:36 2003 From: little at abaqus.com (Jim Littlefield) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:49:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest message header filtering In-Reply-To: <20030130160414.GI9162@mtds.com> References: <20030130155603.GE290@ragnarok.hks.com> <20030130160414.GI9162@mtds.com> Message-ID: <20030130164936.GF290@ragnarok.hks.com> On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 04:04:14PM +0000, Simon White wrote: > 30-Jan-03 at 10:56, Jim Littlefield (little at abaqus.com) wrote : > > A number of the subscribers to my lists have complained about the > > "unimportant" headers (Message-ID, In-Reply-To, etc.) included with > > each post when receiving a plain digest. I am talking about headers > > within the digest. Has anyone figured out a good way to strip these > > out? > > If you have Postfix as an MTA, then you can do body_checks on the email > *body* only to silently ignore any lines with extraneous headers by > using a regexp to ignore them. However, this is best done on a server > which is not also an all-purpose MTA in case people forward full headers > to others for analysis. > > Other solutions from your MTA of choice are possible, in Mailman itself > you'd have to hack Digester.py. At first glance, it looks like it pretty > much forwards plaintext mbox style, to Handlers/ToDigest.py. This > handles MIME conversion where necessary. I guess my question wasn't very clear...I was referring to headers *within* the body of the digest; not the digest's headers. So this isn't an MTA issue, just a message content one. > Interesting part of ToDigest.py > > # rfc1153 says we should keep only these headers, and present them in > # this > # exact order. > KEEP = ['Date', 'From', 'To', 'Cc', 'Subject', 'Message-ID', 'Keywords', > # I believe we should also keep these headers though. > 'In-Reply-To', 'References', 'Content-Type', 'MIME-Version', > 'Content-Transfer-Encoding', 'Precedence', 'Reply-To', > # Mailman 2.0 adds these headers, but they don't need to be kept > # from > # the original message: Message > ] Hmmm, I'll have to take a look at that file. Thanks for pointing it out. > Hacking that might allow you to get rid of those headers quite simply, > breaking RFC1153 in the process, perhaps. > > (I think I should stop promoting Postfix on the Mailman list now...) Why? Postfix is a great MTA :) -- Jim Littlefield "All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand." - Steven Wright From nero_oner at yahoo.com Thu Jan 30 17:54:10 2003 From: nero_oner at yahoo.com (nero one) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:54:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Copies of templates Message-ID: <20030130165410.10352.qmail@web40205.mail.yahoo.com> Hey, Is it easily possible to create completely different versions of template files (ie verify.txt) per listserv? That is to say that listserv 1 would load verify-listserv1.txt, listserv 2 would load verify-listserv2.txt and so on. Orrrrr, anything that would create the same result. Currently, the only way i can figure out is to hardcode it in the various .py files in the /Mailman/ directory. Any easier way to do this? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From fredcool at inode.at Thu Jan 30 17:53:07 2003 From: fredcool at inode.at (Alfred) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:53:07 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] header configuration in Mailman 2.1 Message-ID: <00aa01c2c880$109403a0$030aa8c0@visemaho> Hi, i try long time to configure the mailman 2.1 but i get no result :-( i like to configure Mailman that every mail look like this: FROM: true-sender-to-list at domain.com TO: member-of-the-list at domain.com CC: nothing what i get when i send a mail to the list: FROM: liste-bounces at domain.com; im Auftrag von; root [root at domain.com] TO: this is ok CC: liste at domain.com my question: how can i setup the right FROM: and disable the CC: thank you in advance Alfred From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net Thu Jan 30 18:09:14 2003 From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes) Date: 30 Jan 2003 09:09:14 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] spam filtering In-Reply-To: <1043944589.15431.25.camel@galileo.carola.lan> References: <007501c2c7b7$dd671c60$0200a8c0@tbird> <1043880468.2721.51.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <00bc01c2c7f0$c8d0a2b0$0200a8c0@tbird> <1043944589.15431.25.camel@galileo.carola.lan> Message-ID: <1043946556.15435.28.camel@galileo.carola.lan> On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 08:36, Mike Noyes wrote: > On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 15:47, Robin Rowe wrote: > > Thanks, but as I said, I'm configuring mailman on a SourceForge-hosted > > mailing list. Installing SpamAssassin there is not within my power. > > > > Can anyone answer my question as asked? Is it possible to use the mailman > > spam filtering capabilities on message bodies as well as headers? > > FAQ 3.10. How do I enforce a text/plain posts only policy? > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.010.htp Robin, Also look at this SourceForge Site Doc. Mail Services: Spam Policies https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=9484&group_id=1 -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ http://sitedocs.sf.net/ http://ffl.sf.net/ From simon at mtds.com Thu Jan 30 18:06:22 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:06:22 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'Pre-sales' questions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030130170622.GN9162@mtds.com> 29-Jan-03 at 09:32, Abbo Peterson (dreambig at onepost.net) wrote : > Before I consider Mailman as a newsletter mail list solution, I have a > few questions. I hope you have time to answer them... > > - Does Mailman allow you to create custom headers/footers? That is, > can I write specific text and have it be inserted before and after the > body of each email? You know, "You received this message because... > (header)" and "If you wish to be removed from this list... (footer)" Yes. > - Does Mailman support attachments, styled text and HTML email formats? > I'm not a technical guy, is this question about multipart or MIME > support? I have multiple people who can send email to the list. > Several use HTML email clients. Does Mailman support that? Does > Mailman support styled text (bold, color, size changes)? Does Mailman > support sending attachments? Yes. However, the bigger the list, the less likely all recipients will appreciate getting HTML mail. However I have a 12,000 subscriber list hosted here which is mainly HTML and works OK in Outlook Express, Yahoo! mail, Hotmail, and several other mail clients. For one-way broadcast mailing (not spam, it's an opt-in new parents group) we send in plain + HTML (mixed) so that it looks OK in plaintext too. > - KEY: Is the header/footer feature supported when using email formats > other than plain text? I currently use SmartList for our mailing list > needs. As soon as the email Content-Type is -not- plain text, the > header/footer is omitted from the email. Grrr. This happens anytime > someone attaches a file, styles text or uses the HTML email format. I > need a mail list solution that supports custom headers/footers -with- > email Content-Types besides plain text. I *think* so, but I'd have to run a test for you. Perhaps someone else can confirm? -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From simon at mtds.com Thu Jan 30 18:20:14 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:20:14 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Doubts In-Reply-To: <20030129082457.12150.qmail@webmail9.rediffmail.com> References: <20030129082457.12150.qmail@webmail9.rediffmail.com> Message-ID: <20030130172014.GQ9162@mtds.com> 29-Jan-03 at 08:24, Shaju Nambiar (shaju_nambiar at rediffmail.com) wrote : > i have certain doubts abt Mailman > can we installed this in windows based machine. If yes what are > the requirements we need and what will be status. > can we installed in servers (both unix bases and windows based) > if yes, please let me know the requirements It's a package for Unix/Linux systems really, I don't think there is a Windows "port" although you can get Python for Windows (in cygwin?) There is cygwin for windows which, along with Python, might allow you to get it to work, but you might be on your own for problem solving. -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 30 18:22:29 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 30 Jan 2003 12:22:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Full headers in archive In-Reply-To: <20030129020032.D4872-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> References: <20030129020032.D4872-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> Message-ID: <1043947354.2241.119.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> There is no configuration switch to do this, but you can edit the Source Code to add additional headers. I was just looking at that code this morning and adding additional header info would be very easy. Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 19:01, Gareth Hopkins wrote: > Howdie, > > Is there anyway to get the full headers of messages added when > messages are archived? At the moment only the senders address is shown. > This is using mailman 2.1 > > Thanks > > --- > Gareth Hopkins > Server Operations > UUNET South Africa > (o) +27.21.658.8700 > (f) +27.21.658.8552 > (m) +27.82.929.6668 > http://www.uunet.co.za > 08600 UUNET (08600 88638) > > "The contents of this e-mail and any accompanying documentation is > confidential and any use thereof, in whatever form, by anyone other > than the addressee for whom it is intended, is strictly prohibited." > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 30 18:25:15 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 30 Jan 2003 12:25:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help text In-Reply-To: <3E37A6C0.23366.676551@localhost> References: <3E37A6C0.23366.676551@localhost> Message-ID: <1043947518.2696.121.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Look at the bottom of every email to this list for the locations of several nice On-line aids. On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 05:02, Vanessa Dobbins wrote: > Are there on-line 'help' documents available for Mailman, other than > consulting members of a newsgroup? Thanks. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Vanessa Dobbins > Supervisor, CNR Services > College of Natural Resources > University of Idaho, Moscow, ID 83844-1130 > Phone: 208-885-6581; Fax: 208-885-6226 > http://www.its.uidaho.edu/forserv/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 30 18:33:48 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 30 Jan 2003 12:33:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribing mailman via mail? In-Reply-To: <004c01c2c787$b1bc3850$4a69bad4@SERVER> References: <004c01c2c787$b1bc3850$4a69bad4@SERVER> Message-ID: <1043948032.2245.133.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 06:15, eSeL wrote: > hi, > > i am runing a few lists on mailman, > and i want users to subscribe via email. > > 1. > a) what is to be written in the subject-line of a mail if a user wants > to subscribe via mail (without web-interface?) To: -request at dom.ain.com Subject: subscribe > b) ...to subscribe the "daily digest-option" To: -request at dom.ain.com subject: subscribe digest > > 2. who to send it to? listname-request at listprovider.net? yes. > > i could not find any information on this in the documentation. > or is there an online-manual on this somewhere? Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From friedrich28 at gmx.de Thu Jan 30 19:00:24 2003 From: friedrich28 at gmx.de (friedrich28 at gmx.de) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:00:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi-user / create.py In-Reply-To: <20030130093109.GK8440@mtds.com> References: <3E387567.29832.56E5C81@localhost> Message-ID: <3E397648.19077.959CC27@localhost> > > But I don't understand at which end this is wrong. Was the cgi-gid set wrong? Or > > do I need to change the ownership of the aliases files? check-perms renders no > > errors. Do I need to tell mailman/create.py to run postaliases as user mailman, and > > if so, how do I do that? > > Does postalias run as www ? Anything created via the web is going to run > as the cgi-gid, i.e. www No, running postalias as user www generates a "Permission denied" error on the aliases file. Hence my question: should I change the file ownership, it's permissions or is there a way to run postalias under the user mailman? Regards, Friedrich From simon at mtds.com Thu Jan 30 19:05:56 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:05:56 +0000 (Greenwich Standard Time) Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi-user / create.py In-Reply-To: <3E397648.19077.959CC27@localhost> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 friedrich28 at gmx.de wrote: > > > But I don't understand at which end this is wrong. Was the cgi-gid set wrong? Or > > > do I need to change the ownership of the aliases files? check-perms renders no > > > errors. Do I need to tell mailman/create.py to run postaliases as user mailman, and > > > if so, how do I do that? > > > > Does postalias run as www ? Anything created via the web is going to run > > as the cgi-gid, i.e. www > > No, running postalias as user www generates a "Permission denied" error on the aliases > file. Hence my question: should I change the file ownership, it's permissions or is there a > way to run postalias under the user mailman? The permissions on the aliases file in question need to be readable by your MTA and read/write by www, so something like this would work (assuming your MTA is in group mail, for example) -rw-r-r-- www mail aliases Regards, -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From david at midrange.com Thu Jan 30 19:49:49 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:49:49 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error: Incorrect padding??? Message-ID: I'm getting a huge amount of these messages ... any ideas? Jan 30 12:47:18 2003 (9406) Uncaught runner exception: Incorrect padding Jan 30 12:47:18 2003 (9406) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 129, in _dispose status = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 152, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89, in process send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 317, in send_i18n_digests t = str(p.get_payload(decode=1)) File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 189, in get_payload return Utils._bdecode(payload) File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 75, in _bdecode value = base64.decodestring(s) File "/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/base64.py", line 44, in decodestring return binascii.a2b_base64(s) Error: Incorrect padding Jan 30 12:47:18 2003 (9406) SHUNTING: 1043952417.326993+00515217dc9bf5375a676ba39e87f425e7eb45bb From tmaddox at thereinc.com Thu Jan 30 20:06:16 2003 From: tmaddox at thereinc.com (Tom Maddox) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:06:16 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing list headers In-Reply-To: <1043937531.2245.12.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: > > Sorry you didn't include all the previous message in your reply, so I'm > guessing that you are talking about the digest messages...? Sorry about that. No, I was referring to a message from a few days ago, in which I had asked how to alter the From: header from the default, which displays "-bounces@ on behalf of " to something else. Also, I would like to change the Reply-To: so that it no longer refers to the short list description. Thanks, Tom From david at midrange.com Thu Jan 30 20:10:31 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:10:31 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Error: Incorrect padding??? References: Message-ID: NOTE: I have applied patch [ 668819 ] improve plain-ness and i18n-ness of plain-text digest "David Gibbs" wrote in message news:b1bs11$96s$1 at main.gmane.org... > I'm getting a huge amount of these messages ... any ideas? > > > Jan 30 12:47:18 2003 (9406) Uncaught runner exception: Incorrect padding > Jan 30 12:47:18 2003 (9406) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 129, in > _dispose > status = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 152, in > _dopipeline > sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89, in > process > send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in > send_digests > send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 317, in > send_i18n_digests > t = str(p.get_payload(decode=1)) > File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 189, in > get_payload > return Utils._bdecode(payload) > File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 75, in _bdecode > value = base64.decodestring(s) > File "/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/base64.py", > line 44, in decodestring > return binascii.a2b_base64(s) > Error: Incorrect padding > > Jan 30 12:47:18 2003 (9406) SHUNTING: > 1043952417.326993+00515217dc9bf5375a676ba39e87f425e7eb45bb > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: python-mailman-users at m.gmane.org > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/python-mailman-users%40 m.gmane.org > From khera at kcilink.com Thu Jan 30 20:10:13 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:10:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi-user / create.py In-Reply-To: <3E397648.19077.959CC27@localhost> References: <3E387567.29832.56E5C81@localhost> <3E397648.19077.959CC27@localhost> Message-ID: <15929.30869.674474.910606@onceler.kciLink.com> >>>>> "f" == friedrich writes: f> No, running postalias as user www generates a "Permission denied" error on the aliases f> file. Hence my question: should I change the file ownership, it's permissions or is there a f> way to run postalias under the user mailman? I just stepped in, but I had this issue with postfix integration as well. make sure the aliases and virtual files are chmod g+w so that they can be updated by mailman. From jsingh at fdu.edu Thu Jan 30 20:58:03 2003 From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:58:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer Message-ID: <112c01c2c899$e6b79e60$5c0bee84@FDUJACK> Which file do I need to tweak in order for me take out the url for list info in the footer of the email ? Thanks jack From demel at fsv.cvut.cz Thu Jan 30 21:39:31 2003 From: demel at fsv.cvut.cz (Jiri Demel) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:39:31 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] ValueError: bad marshal data Message-ID: Hi. After a crash of my server I am not able to start Mailman. When I start it, it 11-times reports the following: File "/net/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? main() File "/net/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main qrunner.run() File "/net/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run filecnt = self._oneloop() File "/net/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in _oneloop msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/net/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 144, in dequeue data = self._ext_read(dbfile) File "/net/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 245, in _ext_read dict = marshal.load(fp) ValueError: bad marshal data I am running MM2.1. Any suggestions how to fix it? Delete some corrupted file? -- But what file is corrupted? Jiri Demel From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 30 23:47:37 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 30 Jan 2003 17:47:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer In-Reply-To: <112c01c2c899$e6b79e60$5c0bee84@FDUJACK> References: <112c01c2c899$e6b79e60$5c0bee84@FDUJACK> Message-ID: <1043966861.2696.245.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> You can edit the footer information directly via the Web-admin. On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 14:58, jsingh wrote: > Which file do I need to tweak in order for me take out the url for list > info in the footer of the email ? > Thanks > jack > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 30 23:54:26 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 30 Jan 2003 17:54:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ValueError: bad marshal data In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1043967270.2245.252.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> It could be trying to process some waiting mail for one of your lists. You should run a ~mailman/bin/check_db on each of your lists. If the config file is corrupted too badly, you can replace the corrupt config.pck with an older one: config.pck.last And by replace, I mean stop mailmanctl and then copy the old config over the new one. The old file represents your configuration before you made your last change. Of course, if you are a good sysadmin, you might just have backups of the current ones on your back up server and you can recover from there. If that doesn't clear up your problems then you might need to clean out the qfiles. Jon Carnes On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 15:39, Jiri Demel wrote: > Hi. > After a crash of my server I am not able to start Mailman. > When I start it, it 11-times reports the following: > > > File "/net/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? > main() > File "/net/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main > qrunner.run() > File "/net/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run > filecnt = self._oneloop() > File "/net/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in _oneloop > msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) > File "/net/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 144, in dequeue > data = self._ext_read(dbfile) > File "/net/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 245, in _ext_read > dict = marshal.load(fp) > ValueError: bad marshal data > > > I am running MM2.1. > > Any suggestions how to fix it? > Delete some corrupted file? -- But what file is corrupted? > > > Jiri Demel > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From kathryn at bassett.net Thu Jan 30 23:57:08 2003 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:57:08 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer In-Reply-To: <112c01c2c899$e6b79e60$5c0bee84@FDUJACK> Message-ID: Wow, I'm a total novice (less than a week) but know this one since I just *added* something to the footer. Go to your admin area for the list in question, then click on "Regular-member (non-digest) Options" Down towards the bottom is "Footer added to mail sent to regular list members" Default info is: _______________________________________________ %(real_name)s mailing list %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s I added our main website address to the bottom, you are probably talking about removed the last line. -- Kathryn Bassett (Pasadena CA) http://www.databaseadvisors.com (webmaster) http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo kathryn at bassett.net * http://bassett.net > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+kathryn=bassett.net at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+kathryn=bassett.net at python.org]On Behalf > Of jsingh > Sent: 30 Jan 2003 11:58:AM > To: Mailman-Users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer > > > Which file do I need to tweak in order for me take out the url for list > info in the footer of the email ? > Thanks > jack From fernando at schapachnik.com.ar Thu Jan 30 23:57:12 2003 From: fernando at schapachnik.com.ar (Fernando Schapachnik) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:57:12 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer In-Reply-To: <1043966861.2696.245.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <112c01c2c899$e6b79e60$5c0bee84@FDUJACK> <1043966861.2696.245.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030130225712.GC365@funes.schapachnik.com.ar> En un mensaje anterior, Jon Carnes escribi?: > You can edit the footer information directly via the Web-admin. Is there a way to include external commands output in the footer? Thanks! Fernando Schapachnik fernando at schapachnik.com.ar From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Jan 31 00:12:57 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 30 Jan 2003 18:12:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer In-Reply-To: <20030130225712.GC365@funes.schapachnik.com.ar> References: <112c01c2c899$e6b79e60$5c0bee84@FDUJACK> <1043966861.2696.245.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <20030130225712.GC365@funes.schapachnik.com.ar> Message-ID: <1043968381.2241.259.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> It's Open Source - so there is always a way :-) In this case Barry made it easy for you. If you turn on personalization then you can include certain elements in the footer (as is denoted by the messages from thi list which indicate your individual email address) On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 17:57, Fernando Schapachnik wrote: > En un mensaje anterior, Jon Carnes escribi?: > > You can edit the footer information directly via the Web-admin. > > Is there a way to include external commands output in the footer? > > Thanks! > > Fernando Schapachnik > fernando at schapachnik.com.ar > From fernando at schapachnik.com.ar Fri Jan 31 00:28:58 2003 From: fernando at schapachnik.com.ar (Fernando Schapachnik) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:28:58 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer In-Reply-To: <1043968381.2241.259.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <112c01c2c899$e6b79e60$5c0bee84@FDUJACK> <1043966861.2696.245.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <20030130225712.GC365@funes.schapachnik.com.ar> <1043968381.2241.259.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030130232858.GG365@funes.schapachnik.com.ar> En un mensaje anterior, Jon Carnes escribi?: > It's Open Source - so there is always a way :-) Without hacking the source, I mean :-) > > In this case Barry made it easy for you. If you turn on personalization > then you can include certain elements in the footer (as is denoted by > the messages from thi list which indicate your individual email address) But I mean, is there a standard way? Something like `command` maybe? (I'm not a python guy, so maybe I have to do some research in that direction.) TIA! Fernando P. Schapachnik fernando at schapachnik.com.ar From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Fri Jan 31 00:57:37 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:57:37 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest message header filtering References: <20030130155603.GE290@ragnarok.hks.com> Message-ID: <3E39BBF1.3010003@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Jim Littlefield wrote: > A number of the subscribers to my lists have complained about the > "unimportant" headers (Message-ID, In-Reply-To, etc.) included with each > post when receiving a plain digest. I am talking about headers within > the digest. Has anyone figured out a good way to strip these out? > Please update to the most recent CVS. http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=103 You may want to add further patch if your list is i18n. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=674401&group_id=103&atid=300103 -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Fri Jan 31 01:07:40 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:07:40 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Error: Incorrect padding??? References: Message-ID: <3E39BE4C.6060505@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> David Gibbs wrote: > NOTE: I have applied patch [ 668819 ] improve plain-ness and i18n-ness of > plain-text digest > Please try upgrade to the most recent CVS. You may want to further add this patch. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=674401&group_id=103&atid=300103 -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From sam at rfc1149.net Fri Jan 31 02:45:04 2003 From: sam at rfc1149.net (Samuel Tardieu) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 02:45:04 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Which functions??? References: <200301300018.h0U0Iwxq052933@rauterkus.com> Message-ID: <87y952jdnj.fsf@inf.enst.fr> >>>>> "Mark" == Mark Rauterkus writes: Mark> How do you NUKE an address from ALL the lists on your server? ~mailman/bin/remove_members --fromall user at host Sam -- Samuel Tardieu -- sam at rfc1149.net -- http://www.rfc1149.net/sam From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Fri Jan 31 03:23:50 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:23:50 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Bug] Cookie from older version In-Reply-To: <20030130091404.GF8440@mtds.com> References: <20030129213726.GK11294@hq.newdream.net> <20030130091404.GF8440@mtds.com> Message-ID: <20030131022350.GD19086@hq.newdream.net> On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 09:14:05AM +0000, Simon White wrote: > 29-Jan-03 at 13:37, Will Yardley (william+mm at hq.newdream.net) wrote : > > If you have an old cookie from Mailman 2.0.x, you'll have to re-login > > for every page until you manually clear the cookie from your browser > > (after upgrading to 2.1). > > > > Is there any way to fix this in the future? With some browsers, it's not > > simple to remove an individual cookie. > > On WinBlows, you can delete individual cookies in the "Temporary > Internet Files" directory. > > In Netscape and clones there's usually a cookies / cookies.txt file > > Opera has cookies.dat > > They can be edited. I said "with *some* browsers. Chimera on Mac OS X is one (you can edit the cookies.txt file by hand, but not from the menu AFAIK). In any event, the issue is also that many people won't know that they need to remove the cookie in the first place, and many people wouldn't know how to do it if they could. There are people other than geeks who run, admin, or moderate lists using Mailman, y'know... -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Jan 31 03:23:37 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:23:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer References: <112c01c2c899$e6b79e60$5c0bee84@FDUJACK><1043966861.2696.245.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com><20030130225712.GC365@funes.schapachnik.com.ar><1043968381.2241.259.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <20030130232858.GG365@funes.schapachnik.com.ar> Message-ID: <008801c2c8cf$c39e1d60$1401a8c0@anncons> Forgive my lack of exact language. To be more precise, you can turn on personalization for a list using the Web-Admin. Once you do that certain other features become available and you can then edit the Footer (using the Web-Admin) and put in variables that will be recognized and replaced by Mailman with things like the persons email address, the list name, the admin address, etc. There is no need to know anything except the names of the variables to use in the footer. If you look in the Archives from about two weeks ago, someone laid out the procedure very nicely. I would look it up for you, but my archives are currently off-line while I'm doing some other work... Take care - Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernando Schapachnik" To: "Jon Carnes" Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] footer En un mensaje anterior, Jon Carnes escribi?: > It's Open Source - so there is always a way :-) Without hacking the source, I mean :-) > > In this case Barry made it easy for you. If you turn on personalization > then you can include certain elements in the footer (as is denoted by > the messages from thi list which indicate your individual email address) But I mean, is there a standard way? Something like `command` maybe? (I'm not a python guy, so maybe I have to do some research in that direction.) TIA! Fernando P. Schapachnik fernando at schapachnik.com.ar ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Fri Jan 31 03:28:24 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:28:24 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: 'Pre-sales' questions... In-Reply-To: <20030130170622.GN9162@mtds.com> References: <20030130170622.GN9162@mtds.com> Message-ID: <20030131022824.GE19086@hq.newdream.net> On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 05:06:22PM +0000, Simon White wrote: > 29-Jan-03 at 09:32, Abbo Peterson (dreambig at onepost.net) wrote : > > Before I consider Mailman as a newsletter mail list solution, I have a > > few questions. I hope you have time to answer them... I hope the 'Pre-sales' part is a joke... > > - KEY: Is the header/footer feature supported when using email formats > > other than plain text? > I *think* so, but I'd have to run a test for you. Perhaps someone else > can confirm? Yes... this will work with 2.1 (but not earlier versions). -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Fri Jan 31 04:21:42 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:21:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Doubts In-Reply-To: <20030129082457.12150.qmail@webmail9.rediffmail.com>; from shaju_nambiar@rediffmail.com on Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 08:24:57AM -0000 References: <20030129082457.12150.qmail@webmail9.rediffmail.com> Message-ID: <20030130222142.A13603@dogpound.vnet.net> * Shaju Nambiar (shaju_nambiar at rediffmail.com) wrote: > Dear sir > > i have certain doubts abt Mailman > can we installed this in windows based machine. If yes what are > the requirements we need and what will be status. > can we installed in servers (both unix bases and windows based) > if yes, please let me know the requirements Check http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.002.htp It's steps to get Mailman running on Windows 2000, but it should be about the same for most windows versions. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ I suppose when it gets to that point, we shan't know how it does it. - Turing From barry at python.org Fri Jan 31 06:40:25 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:40:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Bug] Cookie from older version References: <20030129213726.GK11294@hq.newdream.net> Message-ID: <15930.3145.161437.176363@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "WY" == Will Yardley writes: WY> If you have an old cookie from Mailman 2.0.x, you'll have to WY> re-login for every page until you manually clear the cookie WY> from your browser (after upgrading to 2.1). WY> Is there any way to fix this in the future? With some WY> browsers, it's not simple to remove an individual cookie. This isn't a browser bug, it's a misfeature of Python's Cookie.py module, which Mailman uses. There /will/ be a fix in Mailman 2.1.1 but I haven't worked the patch out yet. -Bary From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Jan 31 07:12:10 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 31 Jan 2003 01:12:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Doubts In-Reply-To: <20030130222142.A13603@dogpound.vnet.net> References: <20030129082457.12150.qmail@webmail9.rediffmail.com> <20030130222142.A13603@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: <1043993534.1722.68.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> I am amazed and astounded - and even more impressed with Cygwin! How well does the Exim install work? Does it handle email quickly? I've got to try this one out. On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 22:21, Matthew Davis wrote: > Check http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.002.htp > It's steps to get Mailman running on Windows 2000, but it should be about > the same for most windows versions. > > > -- > Matthew Davis > http://dogpound.vnet.net/ > > I suppose when it gets to that point, we shan't know how it does it. - Turing > From barry at python.org Fri Jan 31 07:40:05 2003 From: barry at python.org (barry at python.org) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:40:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cookie patch? Message-ID: <15930.6725.435801.748914@gargle.gargle.HOWL> For folks having trouble with interoperability of Mailman 2.0 and 2.1 cookies, could you please try the following patch? -Barry -------------------- snip snip -------------------- Index: SecurityManager.py =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/mailman/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py,v retrieving revision 2.20 diff -u -r2.20 SecurityManager.py --- SecurityManager.py 2 Dec 2002 14:03:45 -0000 2.20 +++ SecurityManager.py 31 Jan 2003 06:38:47 -0000 @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ -# Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000,2001,2002 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc. +# Copyright (C) 1998-2003 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc. # # This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or # modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License @@ -47,11 +47,12 @@ # also relies on the security of SHA1. import os -import time +import re import sha +import time +import Cookie import marshal import binascii -import Cookie from types import StringType, TupleType from urlparse import urlparse @@ -269,14 +270,12 @@ cookiedata = os.environ.get('HTTP_COOKIE') if not cookiedata: return 0 - # Treat the cookie data as simple strings, and do application level - # decoding as necessary. By using SimpleCookie, we prevent any kind - # of security breach due to untrusted cookie data being unpickled - # (which is quite unsafe). - try: - c = Cookie.SimpleCookie(cookiedata) - except Cookie.CookieError: - return 0 + # We can't use the Cookie module here because it isn't liberal in what + # it accepts. Feed it a MM2.0 cookie along with a MM2.1 cookie and + # you get a CookieError. :(. All we care about is accessing the + # cookie data via getitem, so we'll use our own parser, which returns + # a dictionary. + c = parsecookie(cookiedata) # If the user was not supplied, but the authcontext is AuthUser, we # can try to glean the user address from the cookie key. There may be # more than one matching key (if the user has multiple accounts @@ -316,7 +315,7 @@ # simply request reauthorization, resulting in a new cookie being # returned to the client. try: - data = marshal.loads(binascii.unhexlify(c[key].value)) + data = marshal.loads(binascii.unhexlify(c[key])) issued, received_mac = data except (EOFError, ValueError, TypeError, KeyError): return 0 @@ -331,3 +330,14 @@ return 0 # Authenticated! return 1 + + + +splitter = re.compile(';\s*') + +def parsecookie(s): + c = {} + for p in splitter.split(s): + k, v = p.split('=') + c[k] = v + return c From simon at mtds.com Fri Jan 31 10:20:05 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:20:05 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Bug] Cookie from older version In-Reply-To: <15930.3145.161437.176363@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <20030129213726.GK11294@hq.newdream.net> <15930.3145.161437.176363@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20030131092004.GE1586@mtds.com> 31-Jan-03 at 00:40, Barry A. Warsaw (barry at python.org) wrote : > > >>>>> "WY" == Will Yardley writes: > > WY> If you have an old cookie from Mailman 2.0.x, you'll have to > WY> re-login for every page until you manually clear the cookie > WY> from your browser (after upgrading to 2.1). > > WY> Is there any way to fix this in the future? With some > WY> browsers, it's not simple to remove an individual cookie. > > This isn't a browser bug, it's a misfeature of Python's Cookie.py > module, which Mailman uses. There /will/ be a fix in Mailman 2.1.1 > but I haven't worked the patch out yet. Kinda tough if you don't have the mailman version in the cookie. A good reason to put it in there, from now on, if it isn't there. Any other parameter in the cookie which has changed could be detected by the new version and force an expiration of the cookie immediately so that the problem will go away. -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From simon at mtds.com Fri Jan 31 10:21:52 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:21:52 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Bug] Cookie from older version In-Reply-To: <20030131022350.GD19086@hq.newdream.net> References: <20030129213726.GK11294@hq.newdream.net> <20030130091404.GF8440@mtds.com> <20030131022350.GD19086@hq.newdream.net> Message-ID: <20030131092152.GF1586@mtds.com> 30-Jan-03 at 18:23, Will Yardley (william+mm at hq.newdream.net) wrote : > On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 09:14:05AM +0000, Simon White wrote: > > 29-Jan-03 at 13:37, Will Yardley (william+mm at hq.newdream.net) wrote : > > > Is there any way to fix this in the future? With some browsers, it's not > > > simple to remove an individual cookie. Terribly sorry. For "simple" I read "possible". You are right. It's rarely simple to remove a cookie. > There are people other than geeks who run, admin, or moderate lists > using Mailman, y'know... Sorry again. I'm still a newbie to this list, I haven't got the right "feel" for it yet. p.s. Proud to be a geek. Shame some people's definition of geek is pejorative though :( -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GIT/L/MU/P/O d+(-) s: a- C++(+++)$ ULS++>+++$ P++>+++ L+++$ E--- W++(+++)$ N !o !K w++@$ O? M+ V? PS++@ PE Y+ PGP-@ t(+)@ 5? X+ R- tv(+)@ b++ DI+ !D G- e++ h--- r+++ y++(+++) ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From sam at rfc1149.net Fri Jan 31 11:32:09 2003 From: sam at rfc1149.net (Samuel Tardieu) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:32:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] FAQ entry: Who should deal with DNS errors? Message-ID: <87n0lhfw46.fsf@inf.enst.fr> I was going to add this FAQ entry, but I realize that I don't have a password to do that and I have to leave for a meeting right now. If someone wants to add this, feel free to do it. I just discovered this issue this morning, when I noticed that some of my lists took a long time to deliver mail. Sam PS/ feel free to reformat, rewrite, delete, ... :) -- Samuel Tardieu -- sam at rfc1149.net -- http://www.rfc1149.net/sam 4.20 Who should deal with DNS errors? Sometimes, Mailman tries to send mail to domains which exist but do not have a MX (mail exchanger) or an A (address) record. This may happen for example when a spam comes from a newly reserved domain, who has not been setup to receive mail. Most MTA are configured to reject mail for such a domain with a temporary failure exit code (such as 450), because the absence of those records may be caused by a transient network outage. If your local MTA has been configured this way, it will reject mail from Mailman with this temporary failure exit code, and Mailman will try to resent the mail every minute. Considering that the DNS lookup may easily take up to 30 seconds in case of a network problem, this may slow down Mailman mail delivery by a huge factor. One solution is to let your MTA deal with this situation instead of Mailman. Configure your MTA so that it always accepts mail coming from Mailman. In Postfix for example, this is done by using a "client_access" restriction (allowing mail from localhost if Mailman is running on the same machine as Postfix) before the "reject_unknown_recipient_domain" restriction. From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Fri Jan 31 12:47:56 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:47:56 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest message header filtering References: <1044004079.3e3a3cefc12cc@webmail.drosera.be> Message-ID: <3E3A626C.8000505@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, I am Cc-ing this reply to the list. You can always change your preferred charset by adding following lines in your mm_cfg.py. LC_DESCRIPTIONS['en'] = (_('English (USA)'), 'iso-8859-1') This is useful if your list's main language is English but majority of users are from Latin-1 countries. Plain text digest will go out with latin characters un-replaced, I believe. kenneth at drosera.be wrote: > Hello, > > I just read your reply to a question on the mail-users list concerning the > extra headers. > What updates/patches are available in the CVS directory ? I quickly had a look > but was unable to find much and even less that I understood. > But ok, I will also upgrade to the latest CVS on a test machine first. > > Since your name pops up several times on the list I am contacting you directly > for a question of mine that remained unanswered. > How did you tackle the character-encoding problem of "us-ascii" for digests ? > Where do I have to make changes ? > > For your information I run MM2.1 + qmail + demime. > I know mails using "iso-8859-1" pass demime with flying colours, but once they > end up in a digest (which is us-ascii :-( ) all non-us-ascii characters > get "transformed". > > > kind regards, > > Kenneth Bruyninckx. > > > > -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From gareth at uunet.co.za Fri Jan 31 13:39:19 2003 From: gareth at uunet.co.za (Gareth Hopkins) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:39:19 +0200 (SAST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting mailman to use the same smtp connection for messages sent to the same domain Message-ID: <20030131143520.H28651-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> Howdie, Is there a way to get mailman to deliver messages to the same domain in one smtp connection. Example a at foo.com b at foo.com c at foo.com will all be delivered in the same smtp connection. At the moment it is connecting, delivering to a at foo.com, then disconnecting. Then connects, delivers to b at foo.com and disconnects and so on and so on. Thanks --- Gareth Hopkins Server Operations UUNET South Africa (o) +27.21.658.8700 (f) +27.21.658.8552 (m) +27.82.929.6668 http://www.uunet.co.za 08600 UUNET (08600 88638) "The contents of this e-mail and any accompanying documentation is confidential and any use thereof, in whatever form, by anyone other than the addressee for whom it is intended, is strictly prohibited." From aewhale at ABS-CompTech.com Fri Jan 31 14:02:58 2003 From: aewhale at ABS-CompTech.com (Albert E. Whale, CISSP) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:02:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman 2.1 Message-ID: <3E3A7402.7080506@ABS-CompTech.com> I recently re-installed my Linux Mandrake 8.2 server, I had located some data corruption in the OS Binaries. Anyway, I've been using Mailman for quite awhile, the server has been running LM 8.1 and was upgraded to 8.2. Mailman has received several upgrades while in place on the system. I'm explaining all of this because even though there appears to be no errors in the configuration or binaries, there is also no errors coming through the Mailman tools. I am using Sendmail-8.12.6, and have elected to use the traditional alias list which includes the /etc/mail/mailman.aliases file. I have the following Python RPMs (these are Mandrake centric RPMs): libpython2.2-2.2-9.1mdk libpython2.2-devel-2.2-9.1mdk postgresql-python-7.2-12mdk python-2.2-9.1mdk python-base-2.2-9.1mdk python-docs-2.2-9.1mdk pythonlib-1.28-1mdk python-numeric-20.3-2mdk I cannot locate the python-devel-2.x rpm indicated in the READMEs, and was hoping that this was my problem. I have run the check_perms, check_db, and don't know where the potential problem may reside, as there are no more error messages left to resolve. Any suggestions? -- Albert E. Whale - CISSP http://www.abs-comptech.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ABS Computer Technology, Inc. - ESM, Computer & Networking Specialists Sr. Security, Network, and Systems Consultant Board of Directors - InfraGard - Pittsburgh, PA From simon at mtds.com Fri Jan 31 14:14:19 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:14:19 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting mailman to use the same smtp connection for messages sent to the same domain In-Reply-To: <20030131143520.H28651-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> References: <20030131143520.H28651-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> Message-ID: <20030131131418.GR1586@mtds.com> 31-Jan-03 at 14:39, Gareth Hopkins (gareth at uunet.co.za) wrote : > Is there a way to get mailman to deliver messages to the same > domain in one smtp connection. > > Example > > a at foo.com > b at foo.com > c at foo.com will all be delivered in the same smtp connection. > > At the moment it is connecting, delivering to a at foo.com, then > disconnecting. Then connects, delivers to b at foo.com and disconnects and > so on and so on. Use an MTA that supports connection pooling or whatever it is called, instead of mailman? -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From aewhale at ABS-CompTech.com Fri Jan 31 14:15:26 2003 From: aewhale at ABS-CompTech.com (Albert E. Whale, CISSP) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:15:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Additional Mailman 2.1 info Message-ID: <3E3A76EE.8030708@ABS-CompTech.com> Following up on my previous Email, I (finally) found the trouble shooting guide on the FAQ , and I have located what may be the problems in my installation: ns.ABS-CompTech.com mailman [/home/mailman] /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ? from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 26, in ? from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO Does this follow with the missing Python 2.2 Development RPM (Note that LM 8.2 does not have a Python-development rpm). Do these errors shed any additional light on the matter? -- Albert E. Whale - CISSP http://www.abs-comptech.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ABS Computer Technology, Inc. - ESM, Computer & Networking Specialists Sr. Security, Network, and Systems Consultant Board of Directors - InfraGard - Pittsburgh, PA From barry at python.org Fri Jan 31 15:01:25 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:01:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Bug] Cookie from older version References: <20030129213726.GK11294@hq.newdream.net> <15930.3145.161437.176363@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20030131092004.GE1586@mtds.com> Message-ID: <15930.33205.656604.726960@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "SW" == Simon White writes: SW> Kinda tough if you don't have the mailman version in the SW> cookie. A good reason to put it in there, from now on, if it SW> isn't there. SW> Any other parameter in the cookie which has changed could be SW> detected by the new version and force an expiration of the SW> cookie immediately so that the problem will go away. That's not really the problem. The issue is that there are Apache rewrite rules you can use to map most of your MM2.0 lists and MM2.1 lists to the same url space. That means your browser will return both cookies in the http request because it doesn't know that they're really separate urls. You don't want to expire your MM2.0 cookies since you may still have to admin that older list. You just don't want those other cookies to cause a false error in the cookie parsing code. Try the patch; I'm pretty confident it'll work. -Barry From barry at python.org Fri Jan 31 15:04:35 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:04:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] FAQ entry: Who should deal with DNS errors? References: <87n0lhfw46.fsf@inf.enst.fr> Message-ID: <15930.33395.709398.507704@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "ST" == Samuel Tardieu writes: ST> I was going to add this FAQ entry, but I realize that I don't ST> have a password to do that and I have to leave for a meeting ST> right now. Folks, remember that the FAQwiz is on the honor system. Look at the front page of the FAQwiz, down at the bottom of the page. The password is right there in plain text. :) -Barry From david at midrange.com Fri Jan 31 15:21:02 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:21:02 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Gmane, & "non-text attachements removed"? Message-ID: Folks: I've got a problem with some of my subscribers that are using the gmane.org news server to read mailing lists. I run my lists with Mailman 2.1. These subscribers (myself included) post messages to the list via the news server, and the messages go out to the regular subscribers, and gmane.org, without a problem ... however, when the message is included in a digest, it just shows up as "--- non-text attachment removed ---" (or something to that effect). I do have Mailman 2.1's content filtering enabled so that only text portions of a message are sent through (and HTML is *SUPPOSED* to be converted to text, but that's another issue). I have Mailman's "pass_mime_types" set to: multipart/mixed multipart/alternative multipart/related text/plain text/html Again, the "non-text attachments removed" message is only showing up in the digests. Any idea what is going on? Thanks! david From ivaldes at hal-pc.org Fri Jan 31 15:25:07 2003 From: ivaldes at hal-pc.org (Ignacio Valdes) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:25:07 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bulk subscribe in digest mode? Message-ID: <3E3A8743.5020101@hal-pc.org> Is there a way to mass subscribe users with digest mode as the default? Thanks, -- -- Ignacio Valdes,MD,MS Editor: Linux Medical News http://www.linuxmednews.com 'Revolutionizing Medical Education and Practice' From bbarbour at gcts.edu Fri Jan 31 15:40:47 2003 From: bbarbour at gcts.edu (Brian Barbour) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:40:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] All addresses are being bounced... Message-ID: <00bc01c2c936$bdf0b140$f3ce79cf@gordonconwell.edu> I am using Mailman 2.0.7 and when I send a message to any of my list it will bounce back on all receipients. The email server is working perfectly, but for some reason when Mailman sends the message the log shows that all recpients bounce. Any help Brian ***************************************************************** Brian C. Barbour Administrator of UNIX/Linux Systems & Web Infrastructure Services Gordon Conwell Theological Seminary 130 Essex St. South Hamilton, MA 01982 ****************************************************************** From amatta at atlas.puj.edu.co Fri Jan 31 15:32:55 2003 From: amatta at atlas.puj.edu.co (Antonio MATTA) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:32:55 -0500 (COT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsusbcribe In-Reply-To: <00bc01c2c936$bdf0b140$f3ce79cf@gordonconwell.edu> Message-ID: From simon at mtds.com Fri Jan 31 15:55:30 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:55:30 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bulk subscribe in digest mode? In-Reply-To: <3E3A8743.5020101@hal-pc.org> References: <3E3A8743.5020101@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <20030131145530.GA2427@mtds.com> 31-Jan-03 at 08:25, Ignacio Valdes (ivaldes at hal-pc.org) wrote : > Is there a way to mass subscribe users with digest mode as the default? > Thanks, Use the add_members script --digest-members-file=file -d=file these people become digest members. The file is a plain text file with one email address per line. Otherwise, make digest the default, mass subscribe with the web tool, then change the default (if necessary) back to normal mode. -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From fernando at schapachnik.com.ar Fri Jan 31 16:45:58 2003 From: fernando at schapachnik.com.ar (Fernando Schapachnik) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:45:58 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer In-Reply-To: <008801c2c8cf$c39e1d60$1401a8c0@anncons> References: <20030130232858.GG365@funes.schapachnik.com.ar> <008801c2c8cf$c39e1d60$1401a8c0@anncons> Message-ID: <20030131154558.GA58794@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> En un mensaje anterior, Jon Carnes escribi?: > Forgive my lack of exact language. To be more precise, you can turn on > personalization for a list using the Web-Admin. Once you do that certain > other features become available and you can then edit the Footer (using the > Web-Admin) and put in variables that will be recognized and replaced by > Mailman with things like the persons email address, the list name, the admin > address, etc. There is no need to know anything except the names of the > variables to use in the footer. Sorry to be insistant, but this is not what I need. I don't need a different footer for each subscriber. I need a different footer for each post, but the same to all subscribers. I realize that I gain some extra footer variables if I turn personalization on, but fail to see how any of them relate to including the output from an external commands. Think about including the fortune output in the footer, for example. Thanks again! Fernando P. Schapachnik fernando at schapachnik.com.ar From bobby-denise at nova1.net Fri Jan 31 17:18:06 2003 From: bobby-denise at nova1.net (Bobby and Denise) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:18:06 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer In-Reply-To: <20030131154558.GA58794@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> Message-ID: Forgive me for the simplicity of this suggestion, but if you want to include the same footer in a given post to all subscribers, couldn't you simply include the footer at the bottom of your post content? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding your needs. --Bobby -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+bobby-denise=nova1.net at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+bobby-denise=nova1.net at python.org]On Behalf Of Fernando Schapachnik Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 9:46 AM To: Jon Carnes Cc: Mailman-Users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] footer En un mensaje anterior, Jon Carnes escribi?: > Forgive my lack of exact language. To be more precise, you can turn on > personalization for a list using the Web-Admin. Once you do that certain > other features become available and you can then edit the Footer (using the > Web-Admin) and put in variables that will be recognized and replaced by > Mailman with things like the persons email address, the list name, the admin > address, etc. There is no need to know anything except the names of the > variables to use in the footer. Sorry to be insistant, but this is not what I need. I don't need a different footer for each subscriber. I need a different footer for each post, but the same to all subscribers. I realize that I gain some extra footer variables if I turn personalization on, but fail to see how any of them relate to including the output from an external commands. Think about including the fortune output in the footer, for example. Thanks again! Fernando P. Schapachnik fernando at schapachnik.com.ar ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: bobby-denise at nova1.net Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bobby-denise%40nova1.ne t From simon at mtds.com Fri Jan 31 17:29:10 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:29:10 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer In-Reply-To: <20030131154558.GA58794@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> References: <20030130232858.GG365@funes.schapachnik.com.ar> <008801c2c8cf$c39e1d60$1401a8c0@anncons> <20030131154558.GA58794@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> Message-ID: <20030131162910.GD2427@mtds.com> 31-Jan-03 at 12:45, Fernando Schapachnik (fernando at schapachnik.com.ar) wrote : > En un mensaje anterior, Jon Carnes escribi?: > > Forgive my lack of exact language. To be more precise, you can turn on > > personalization for a list using the Web-Admin. Once you do that certain > > other features become available and you can then edit the Footer (using the > > Web-Admin) and put in variables that will be recognized and replaced by > > Mailman with things like the persons email address, the list name, the admin > > address, etc. There is no need to know anything except the names of the > > variables to use in the footer. > > Sorry to be insistant, but this is not what I need. I don't need a different > footer for each subscriber. I need a different footer for each post, but > the same to all subscribers. > > I realize that I gain some extra footer variables if I turn personalization on, > but fail to see how any of them relate to including the output from an external > commands. Think about including the fortune output in the footer, for example. Put a wrapper around the aliases, for example: list-name at listserver.com "|/usr/bin/mywrapper|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post list-name" Then the script mywrapper could be like this: #!/bin/bash while read line do echo "$line" done fortune=`/usr/games/fortune` echo "-- " echo $fortune However, I'm not sure that double pipes are allowed in sendmail or Postfix. This is just a quick idea. Maybe you can pipe the output from mywrapper directly to the "mailman post" command, like this... Aliases file: list-name at listserver.com "|/usr/bin/mywrapper" --- START SCRIPT --- #!/bin/bash # Simple filter to add footer to email read from stdin # Define a temporary filename TMPFILE=msgfile # Delete the temporary file if it already exists if [ -f $TMPFILE ]; then rm $TMPFILE fi # read from STDIN line by line, outputting to temp file while read line do echo "$line" >> $TMPFILE done # Now get the output from Fortune ;-) fortune=`/usr/games/fortune` # Add RFC footer/signature delimiter echo "-- " >> $TMPFILE # Now add the fortune we got above echo $fortune >> $TMPFILE # Now use cat to redirect the output of $TMPFILE to mailman /bin/cat $TMPFILE | /home/mailman/mail/mailman post list-name --- END SCRIPT --- Notes: - Please let me know if this was useful to anyone. - This will break posts with attachments, it is ONLY good for plaintext posts. If you want to get cleverer with files with attachments your script will have to be MIME aware. Regards, -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From fernando at schapachnik.com.ar Fri Jan 31 17:43:52 2003 From: fernando at schapachnik.com.ar (Fernando Schapachnik) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:43:52 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer In-Reply-To: References: <20030131154558.GA58794@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> Message-ID: <20030131164352.GA59702@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> En un mensaje anterior, Bobby and Denise escribi?: > Forgive me for the simplicity of this suggestion, but if you want to include > the same footer in a given post to all subscribers, couldn't you simply > include the footer at the bottom of your post content? > > Sorry if I'm misunderstanding your needs. Is the same for all, but varies in each post. Regards. Fernando P. Schapachnik fernando at schapachnik.com.ar From fernando at schapachnik.com.ar Fri Jan 31 17:45:28 2003 From: fernando at schapachnik.com.ar (Fernando Schapachnik) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:45:28 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer In-Reply-To: <20030131162910.GD2427@mtds.com> References: <20030130232858.GG365@funes.schapachnik.com.ar> <008801c2c8cf$c39e1d60$1401a8c0@anncons> <20030131154558.GA58794@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> <20030131162910.GD2427@mtds.com> Message-ID: <20030131164528.GB59702@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> En un mensaje anterior, Simon White escribi?: > > I realize that I gain some extra footer variables if I turn personalization on, > > but fail to see how any of them relate to including the output from an external > > commands. Think about including the fortune output in the footer, for example. > > Put a wrapper around the aliases, for example: > > list-name at listserver.com "|/usr/bin/mywrapper|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post list-name" > > Then the script mywrapper could be like this: > > #!/bin/bash > while read line > do > echo "$line" > done > > fortune=`/usr/games/fortune` > > echo "-- " > echo $fortune Thanks for your idea an script. I've allready thought of that, but, as you mentioned, it is only good for plain text post, but breaks MIME ones, so it is not good enough. Thanks anyway! Fernando P. Schapachnik fernando at schapachnik.com.ar From simon at mtds.com Fri Jan 31 17:49:25 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:49:25 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting mailman to use the same smtp connection for messages sent to the same domain In-Reply-To: <20030131181437.G28651-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> References: <20030131131418.GR1586@mtds.com> <20030131181437.G28651-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> Message-ID: <20030131164925.GE2427@mtds.com> 31-Jan-03 at 18:21, Gareth Hopkins (gareth at za.uu.net) wrote : > On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Simon White wrote: > > SW>31-Jan-03 at 14:39, Gareth Hopkins (gareth at uunet.co.za) wrote : > SW>> Is there a way to get mailman to deliver messages to the same > SW>> domain in one smtp connection. > SW>> > SW>> Example > SW>> > SW>> a at foo.com > SW>> b at foo.com > SW>> c at foo.com will all be delivered in the same smtp connection. > SW>> > SW>> At the moment it is connecting, delivering to a at foo.com, then > SW>> disconnecting. Then connects, delivers to b at foo.com and disconnects and > SW>> so on and so on. > SW> > SW>Use an MTA that supports connection pooling or whatever it is called, > SW>instead of mailman? > I am using postfix but it looks like when the messages are sent > mailman sends out list-bounces email to each address. This causes a > single connection to be made to the same host. You have a point. Mailman is injecting to the MTA so if it does connect/disconnect etc then this will affect even Postfix. So, there does need to be a way to have Mailman open a single connection to the server for each domain, and then do RCPT TO: several times. I *thought* that was what it did anyway... can anyone else prove me wrong / right? -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From simon at mtds.com Fri Jan 31 18:04:55 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:04:55 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer In-Reply-To: <20030131164528.GB59702@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> References: <20030130232858.GG365@funes.schapachnik.com.ar> <008801c2c8cf$c39e1d60$1401a8c0@anncons> <20030131154558.GA58794@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> <20030131162910.GD2427@mtds.com> <20030131164528.GB59702@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> Message-ID: <20030131170455.GG2427@mtds.com> 31-Jan-03 at 13:45, Fernando Schapachnik (fernando at schapachnik.com.ar) wrote : > En un mensaje anterior, Simon White escribi?: > > > I realize that I gain some extra footer variables if I turn personalization on, > > > but fail to see how any of them relate to including the output from an external > > > commands. Think about including the fortune output in the footer, for example. > > > > Put a wrapper around the aliases, for example: > > > > list-name at listserver.com "|/usr/bin/mywrapper|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post list-name" > > > > Then the script mywrapper could be like this: > > > > #!/bin/bash > > while read line > > do > > echo "$line" > > done > > > > fortune=`/usr/games/fortune` > > > > echo "-- " > > echo $fortune > > Thanks for your idea an script. I've allready thought of that, but, as you mentioned, > it is only good for plain text post, but breaks MIME ones, so it is not good enough. Well Mailman itself is MIME aware in its newest version, if i have understood correctly, so maybe you could hack it to call an external script at some point. Clearly this should not be available as a regular variable or something because the security implications of letting mailman call executables on your mailing list server are grave. -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From tneff at grassyhill.org Fri Jan 31 18:13:09 2003 From: tneff at grassyhill.org (Tom Neff) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:13:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer In-Reply-To: <20030131164528.GB59702@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> References: <20030130232858.GG365@funes.schapachnik.com.ar> <008801c2c8cf$c39e1d60$1401a8c0@anncons> <20030131154558.GA58794@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> <20030131162910.GD2427@mtds.com> <20030131164528.GB59702@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> Message-ID: <922222437.1044015189@[192.168.254.79]> If you have the ability to patch your Mailman installation, you could add a new variable name (like mlist.fortune) to the ALLOWEDS array in Mailman/Gui/Digest.py and then use the 'withlist' command to set this variable to a new value every so often, and include it in the msg_footer field in your admin interface. Or you could do a more direct & brutal patch to search & replace a magic string of your choosing (__FORTUNE__ etc) with the output of a random fortune command, right in NonDigest.py . I don't know of any way to do what you want without patching Mailman. From fernando at schapachnik.com.ar Fri Jan 31 18:25:40 2003 From: fernando at schapachnik.com.ar (Fernando Schapachnik) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:25:40 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer In-Reply-To: <922222437.1044015189@[192.168.254.79]> References: <20030130232858.GG365@funes.schapachnik.com.ar> <008801c2c8cf$c39e1d60$1401a8c0@anncons> <20030131154558.GA58794@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> <20030131162910.GD2427@mtds.com> <20030131164528.GB59702@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> <922222437.1044015189@[192.168.254.79]> Message-ID: <20030131172540.GA64478@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> En un mensaje anterior, Tom Neff escribi?: > If you have the ability to patch your Mailman installation, you could add a > new variable name (like mlist.fortune) to the ALLOWEDS array in > Mailman/Gui/Digest.py and then use the 'withlist' command to set this > variable to a new value every so often, and include it in the msg_footer > field in your admin interface. Or you could do a more direct & brutal This is good enough for me. I will look into it. Also, I can call the set-footer program from aliases, so it is fired everytime somebody mails the list! If I come up with something tidy, I like to contrib it back. What is the standard way to do that? Thanks! Fernando P. Schapachnik fernando at schapachnik.com.ar From mh+mailman-users at zugschlus.de Fri Jan 31 18:31:54 2003 From: mh+mailman-users at zugschlus.de (Marc Haber) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:31:54 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman 2.1] Is it possible to pre-approve a message? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:46:24 +0100, Marc Haber wrote: >Is there a possibility to allow Mailman 2.1 to immedately forward a >message from a moderator to the list if and only if the correct >moderator password is given in the message? If the message doesn't >have an "Approved: " header or first line, it should be >held for moderation just as any other message coming in to the list >address. This is exactly how Mailman behaves. If one doesn't use the Mailman site admin password, but the list admin or the list moderator password. This was my fault, and thanks to a lot of people pointing that out to me in private e-mail. Greetings Marc -- -------------------------------------- !! No courtesy copies, please !! ----- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Karlsruhe, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom " | Fon: *49 721 966 32 15 Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fax: *49 721 966 31 29 From barry at python.org Fri Jan 31 18:33:21 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:33:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer References: <20030130232858.GG365@funes.schapachnik.com.ar> <008801c2c8cf$c39e1d60$1401a8c0@anncons> <20030131154558.GA58794@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> <20030131162910.GD2427@mtds.com> <20030131164528.GB59702@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> <922222437.1044015189@[192.168.254.79]> Message-ID: <15930.45921.993120.976821@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "TN" == Tom Neff writes: TN> I don't know of any way to do what you want without patching TN> Mailman. You're right that there currently is no way to do this. The security implications would have to be worked out, but it might be an interesting feature -- feel free to submit a feature request. Probably, you want to allow site admins to add new substitution variables for headers and footers, and then allow your list admins to use those additional variables. -Barry From barry at python.org Fri Jan 31 19:00:44 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:00:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting mailman to use the same smtp connection for messages sent to the same domain References: <20030131131418.GR1586@mtds.com> <20030131181437.G28651-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> <20030131164925.GE2427@mtds.com> Message-ID: <15930.47564.989377.655778@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "SW" == Simon White writes: SW> You have a point. Mailman is injecting to the MTA so if it SW> does connect/disconnect etc then this will affect even SW> Postfix. So, there does need to be a way to have Mailman open SW> a single connection to the server for each domain, and then do SW> RCPT TO: several times. SW> I *thought* that was what it did anyway... can anyone else SW> prove me wrong / right? The chunking algorithm for sending messages to the mta is defined by variables such as SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION and SMTP_MAX_RCPTS. The latter specifies the maximum size of the RCPT TO chunks in each handoff to the mta. Set it to a negative number to not chunk at all. When chunking, Mailman first sorts by these tlds: .com, .net, .org, .edu, .us, .ca. Everything else goes into a separate bucket. Yeah, this is pretty North America-centric :/. Note that Mailman does not chunk based on MX or on 2nd level domain names. SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION determines how many chunks it sends down the same socket connection to the mta. Again, a negative number means blast all the chunks down the same connection. -Barry From barry at python.org Fri Jan 31 19:03:30 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:03:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer References: <20030130232858.GG365@funes.schapachnik.com.ar> <008801c2c8cf$c39e1d60$1401a8c0@anncons> <20030131154558.GA58794@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> <20030131162910.GD2427@mtds.com> <20030131164528.GB59702@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> <922222437.1044015189@[192.168.254.79]> <20030131172540.GA64478@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> Message-ID: <15930.47730.220790.750293@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "FS" == Fernando Schapachnik writes: FS> If I come up with something tidy, I like to contrib it FS> back. What is the standard way to do that? Use the SourceForge patch manager: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=300103 and if you want, add it to the Mailman wiki: http://www.zope.org/Members/bwarsaw/MailmanDesignNotes/UnofficialMailman21Patches -Barry From mailman at snixthecat.com Fri Jan 31 19:19:46 2003 From: mailman at snixthecat.com (mailman at snixthecat.com) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:19:46 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot get rid of default footers Message-ID: <200301311819.NAA08118@jetson.iccis.net> I've read several of the posts about changing the footers. I've made changes to the footer in the non-digest and digest options, but they do not get applied. I've also emabled personalization, but did not see any other options. Is there somewhere else I should look? Thanks Mike From barry at python.org Fri Jan 31 19:20:09 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:20:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2nd request: migrating a list from 1.1 to 2.1 hosts? References: <650919375.1043743761@[192.168.254.79]> <20030128174424.C16456@dogpound.vnet.net> <695660640.1043788568@[192.168.254.79]> Message-ID: <15930.48729.359938.165226@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Let me start off by saying that I have never personally done an upgrade from 1.1 straight to 2.1, so that all this as my best guess, not as gospel. It may in fact, be better to upgrade from 1.1 to 2.0(.13) and then from there to 2.1. That's more work of course, and it may be unnecessary work. >>>>> "TN" == Tom Neff writes: TN> A: Clone the MM1.1 directory somewhere (on either the TN> original or new host) and then "upgrade" that clone to 2.1. TN> Copy the resulting config into the real 2.1 tree as a new TN> list. (I should probably pre-create the migrated lists on the TN> 2.1 host first, so I can do selective file overwrites without TN> missing some of the structure. The upgraded clone directory TN> can be deleted afterwards. I would do something more like "A", although I wouldn't pre-create the lists. Simply copy the config to a test area, do an upgrade, then run something like bin/list_lists to touch all the lists and get them upgraded. From there it should be an easy process to move the lists to your production 2.1 site (see below). TN> I hope that the developer(s) understand that with the TN> continued spread of Mailman, situations were listowners need TN> to *migrate*, rather than upgrading in place, will be more TN> common. It would be great to have some kind of robust export TN> capability that was more or less version independent. This totally doable, as covered in the UPGRADING INDIVIDUAL LISTS section in the UPGRADING file. It's actually fairly simple if you discount the mta and Apache cruft. HTH, -Barry From simon at mtds.com Fri Jan 31 19:26:00 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:26:00 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting mailman to use the same smtp connection for messages sent to the same domain In-Reply-To: <15930.47564.989377.655778@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <20030131131418.GR1586@mtds.com> <20030131181437.G28651-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> <20030131164925.GE2427@mtds.com> <15930.47564.989377.655778@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20030131182559.GO2427@mtds.com> 31-Jan-03 at 13:00, Barry A. Warsaw (barry at python.org) wrote : > The chunking algorithm for sending messages to the mta is defined by > variables such as SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION and > SMTP_MAX_RCPTS. > > The latter specifies the maximum size of the RCPT TO chunks in each > handoff to the mta. Set it to a negative number to not chunk at all. > When chunking, Mailman first sorts by these tlds: .com, .net, .org, > .edu, .us, .ca. Everything else goes into a separate bucket. Yeah, > this is pretty North America-centric :/. Note that Mailman does not > chunk based on MX or on 2nd level domain names. Chunking like this means that you're actually sending RCPT TO: based on TLD, and then only US TLDs, right? So SMTP_MAX_RCPTS set to 50 could mean several different second level domains in the same chunk, but for every TLD outside the US there will be separate sessions for each mail sent? How about chunking something like this pseudo-code:- split tlds into an array for each tld in array do sort second_level_domains into unique sets if unique set_length = 1 combine with previous until set_length = SMTP_MAX_RCPTS end if done Not exactly easy in real code, but if what you say about the algorithm is true, then I could seriously improve performance for my lists by doing this. Right now, my MTA takes over 3 hours to deliver the bulk of my 12000 subscriber list (not including bounces and poor receiving MX hosts). Where is this done (which file) - I could have a stab at it. -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From marc at perkel.com Fri Jan 31 20:10:11 2003 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:10:11 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML interface to set DEFAULT_URL Message-ID: <3E3ACA13.3050606@perkel.com> In Mailman 2.0 there was a setting for the default URL. I can't seem to find it in 2.1. I need to change the default URL for all my lists. Any easy way to do this? From aewhale at ABS-CompTech.com Fri Jan 31 20:29:06 2003 From: aewhale at ABS-CompTech.com (Albert E. Whale, CISSP) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:29:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where is HandlerAPI? Message-ID: <3E3ACE82.7040503@ABS-CompTech.com> I am having problems getting Mailman 2.1 installed on LM 8.2 using the Stock Python distributions. Here is the Error I am encountering: /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ? from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 26, in ? from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO Does this follow with the missing Python 2.2 Development RPM (Note that LM 8.2 does not have a Python-development rpm). Do these errors shed any additional light on the matter? -- Albert E. Whale - CISSP http://www.abs-comptech.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ABS Computer Technology, Inc. - ESM, Computer & Networking Specialists Sr. Security, Network, and Systems Consultant Board of Directors - InfraGard - Pittsburgh, PA From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Fri Jan 31 20:30:38 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:30:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] All addresses are being bounced... In-Reply-To: <00bc01c2c936$bdf0b140$f3ce79cf@gordonconwell.edu>; from bbarbour@gcts.edu on Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 09:40:47AM -0500 References: <00bc01c2c936$bdf0b140$f3ce79cf@gordonconwell.edu> Message-ID: <20030131143038.C15860@dogpound.vnet.net> * Brian Barbour (bbarbour at gcts.edu) wrote: > I am using Mailman 2.0.7 and when I send a message to any of my list it > will bounce back on all receipients. The email server is working > perfectly, but for some reason when Mailman sends the message the log > shows that all recpients bounce. A little bit more information would be appreciated. What is in the bounce message? Does the _bounce message_ get delivered to all the users? -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ "One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice president, and that one word is 'to be prepared.'" -- Vice President Al Gore, 12/6/93 From barry at python.org Fri Jan 31 20:40:20 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:40:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where is HandlerAPI? References: <3E3ACE82.7040503@ABS-CompTech.com> Message-ID: <15930.53540.692562.181815@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "AEW" == Albert E Whale writes: AEW> I am having problems getting Mailman 2.1 installed on LM 8.2 AEW> using the Stock Python distributions. Here is the Error I am AEW> encountering: AEW> ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO AEW> Does this follow with the missing Python 2.2 Development RPM AEW> (Note that LM 8.2 does not have a Python-development rpm). AEW> Do these errors shed any additional light on the matter? You're mixing your MM2.0 and MM2.1 installations. There's no HandlerAPI.py in Mailman 2.1, nor is there a StringIO.py in pythonlib, nor is qrunner invoked from cron any more. Did you update your crontab? -Barry From barry at python.org Fri Jan 31 20:43:53 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:43:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting mailman to use the same smtp connection for messages sent to the same domain References: <20030131131418.GR1586@mtds.com> <20030131181437.G28651-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> <20030131164925.GE2427@mtds.com> <15930.47564.989377.655778@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20030131182559.GO2427@mtds.com> Message-ID: <15930.53753.820522.706200@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "SW" == Simon White writes: SW> Chunking like this means that you're actually sending RCPT TO: SW> based on TLD, and then only US TLDs, right? So SMTP_MAX_RCPTS SW> set to 50 could mean several different second level domains in SW> the same chunk, but for every TLD outside the US there will be SW> separate sessions for each mail sent? Not exactly. All the other tlds get dropped in the same bucket and the chunks are filled from the buckets. There are at most 4 buckets: 0 == everything else 1 == .com 2 == .org .net 3 == .edu .us .ca SW> Not exactly easy in real code, but if what you say about the SW> algorithm is true, then I could seriously improve performance SW> for my lists by doing this. Right now, my MTA takes over 3 SW> hours to deliver the bulk of my 12000 subscriber list (not SW> including bounces and poor receiving MX hosts). I'm highly doubtful that the chunking algorithm is your problem. More likely its an mta issue. -Barry From barry at python.org Fri Jan 31 20:41:22 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:41:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML interface to set DEFAULT_URL References: <3E3ACA13.3050606@perkel.com> Message-ID: <15930.53602.524349.620101@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "MP" == Marc Perkel writes: MP> In Mailman 2.0 there was a setting for the default URL. I MP> can't seem to find it in 2.1. It was too dangerous to leave in the web interface. MP> I need to change the default URL for all my lists. Any easy MP> way to do this? bin/fix_url.py and/or bin/withlist -Barry From marc at perkel.com Fri Jan 31 21:06:55 2003 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:06:55 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML interface to set DEFAULT_URL In-Reply-To: <15930.53602.524349.620101@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <3E3ACA13.3050606@perkel.com> <15930.53602.524349.620101@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <3E3AD75F.9040606@perkel.com> ok - what would the command be to change the URL of every list? Barry A. Warsaw wrote: >>>>>>"MP" == Marc Perkel writes: >>>>>> >>>>>> > > MP> In Mailman 2.0 there was a setting for the default URL. I > MP> can't seem to find it in 2.1. > >It was too dangerous to leave in the web interface. > > MP> I need to change the default URL for all my lists. Any easy > MP> way to do this? > >bin/fix_url.py and/or bin/withlist > >-Barry > > From david at midrange.com Fri Jan 31 21:06:00 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:06:00 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: HTML interface to set DEFAULT_URL References: <3E3ACA13.3050606@perkel.com> <15930.53602.524349.620101@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: "Barry A. Warsaw" wrote in message news:15930.53602.524349.620101 at gargle.gargle.HOWL... > MP> In Mailman 2.0 there was a setting for the default URL. I > MP> can't seem to find it in 2.1. > It was too dangerous to leave in the web interface. What was dangerous about it? I'm just curious. david From barry at python.org Fri Jan 31 21:23:28 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:23:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: HTML interface to set DEFAULT_URL References: <3E3ACA13.3050606@perkel.com> <15930.53602.524349.620101@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <15930.56128.16222.798856@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "DG" == David Gibbs writes: DG> What was dangerous about it? DG> I'm just curious. If you made a mistake, you couldn't then use the web to fix it. The urls would be hosed. -Barry From khera at kcilink.com Fri Jan 31 22:09:05 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:09:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting mailman to use the same smtp connection for messages sent to the same domain In-Reply-To: <15930.47564.989377.655778@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <20030131131418.GR1586@mtds.com> <20030131181437.G28651-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> <20030131164925.GE2427@mtds.com> <15930.47564.989377.655778@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <15930.58865.734593.600673@onceler.kciLink.com> >>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw writes: BAW> SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION determines how many chunks it sends BAW> down the same socket connection to the mta. Again, a negative number BAW> means blast all the chunks down the same connection. With postfix, this would be ideal. It has no problems accepting at least 50,000+ individual SMTP transactions per connection. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera at kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-240-453-8497 AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ From khera at kcilink.com Fri Jan 31 22:23:49 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:23:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML interface to set DEFAULT_URL In-Reply-To: <15930.53602.524349.620101@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <3E3ACA13.3050606@perkel.com> <15930.53602.524349.620101@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <15930.59749.57937.559899@onceler.kciLink.com> >>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw writes: MP> I need to change the default URL for all my lists. Any easy MP> way to do this? BAW> bin/fix_url.py and/or bin/withlist I had to do this for one list which changed virtual domains last week. I had hoped that the bin/config_list would dump out that variable, because it sure took me some digging into the source to find that I had to change m.web_host_url (or whatever the field was... I also discovered that this is how Mailman decides under which virtual host to show the list... I think it should be updated to match the new virtual host definition when you change the desider email host from the GUI... but I'm not sure the implications of it. That is, I guess I expected the GUI change of the host name to do the same as the -u option of fix_url.py. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera at kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-240-453-8497 AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ From simon at mtds.com Fri Jan 31 22:50:29 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:50:29 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer In-Reply-To: <20030131164528.GB59702@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> References: <20030130232858.GG365@funes.schapachnik.com.ar> <008801c2c8cf$c39e1d60$1401a8c0@anncons> <20030131154558.GA58794@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> <20030131162910.GD2427@mtds.com> <20030131164528.GB59702@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> Message-ID: <20030131215029.GF3326@mtds.com> 31-Jan-03 at 13:45, Fernando Schapachnik (fernando at schapachnik.com.ar) wrote : > En un mensaje anterior, Simon White escribi?: > > > I realize that I gain some extra footer variables if I turn personalization on, > > > but fail to see how any of them relate to including the output from an external > > > commands. Think about including the fortune output in the footer, for example. > Thanks for your idea an script. I've allready thought of that, but, as you mentioned, > it is only good for plain text post, but breaks MIME ones, so it is not good enough. > This might help: altermime I've just spotted it in the FILTER example for Postfix, it could do the MIME work for you -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From simon at mtds.com Fri Jan 31 22:51:45 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:51:45 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting mailman to use the same smtp connection for messages sent to the same domain In-Reply-To: <15930.58865.734593.600673@onceler.kciLink.com> References: <20030131131418.GR1586@mtds.com> <20030131181437.G28651-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> <20030131164925.GE2427@mtds.com> <15930.47564.989377.655778@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <15930.58865.734593.600673@onceler.kciLink.com> Message-ID: <20030131215145.GG3326@mtds.com> 31-Jan-03 at 16:09, Vivek Khera (khera at kcilink.com) wrote : > >>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw writes: > > BAW> SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION determines how many chunks it sends > BAW> down the same socket connection to the mta. Again, a negative number > BAW> means blast all the chunks down the same connection. > > With postfix, this would be ideal. It has no problems accepting > at least 50,000+ individual SMTP transactions per connection. This is definitely something for me to look at. Thanks. -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Fri Jan 31 23:18:16 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:18:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Doubts In-Reply-To: <1043993534.1722.68.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>; from jonc@nc.rr.com on Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 01:12:10AM -0500 References: <20030129082457.12150.qmail@webmail9.rediffmail.com> <20030130222142.A13603@dogpound.vnet.net> <1043993534.1722.68.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030131171816.B17638@dogpound.vnet.net> * Jon Carnes (jonc at nc.rr.com) wrote: > I am amazed and astounded - and even more impressed with Cygwin! > How well does the Exim install work? Does it handle email quickly? Wish I could tell you, but I've never tried it. It's on my list of things to do, or play with. To play with it on XP now that I have cygwin installed. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Shift to the left! Shift to the right! Pop up, push down, byte, byte, byte! From cradle at umd.edu Fri Jan 31 23:55:10 2003 From: cradle at umd.edu (David Eisner) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:55:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail Attachment Problem Message-ID: I just installed Mailman 2.1, and somebody noticed that for Word file attachments, the attachment link in the archives showed up as ".dot" rather than ".doc". When I tested it out, my attachment was just a string of gibberish characters. I did some research and found Bug 669081. So I took the latest Scrubber.py from CVS (2.24), and swapped it into the 2.1 sources, rebuilt Mailman, and installed it. Now my attachment isn't gibberish anymore, but it has an ".obj" extension. I realize updating just Scrubber.py is not necessarily kosher. Are there other files I need to update? Thanks. -David ------------------------+--------------------------+ David Eisner | E-mail: cradle at umd.edu | CALCE EPSC | Phone: 301-405-5341 | University of Maryland | Fax: 301-314-9269 | ------------------------+--------------------------+ From Peter.Kasson at CareWorks.com Thu Jan 30 20:35:55 2003 From: Peter.Kasson at CareWorks.com (Peter Kasson) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:35:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman config Message-ID: Greetings, I installed Mailman with the standard install scripts and followed the docs. Is there anything else I need to do to access the web-based admin site for Mailman ? What is the URL needed to access it ? Regards, Peter From NetInfo at PerfectSites.com Fri Jan 31 06:45:58 2003 From: NetInfo at PerfectSites.com (NetInfo) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:45:58 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Welcome Mail and List Mail Text Message-ID: <00ab01c2c8ec$08d7e980$a12d28ce@gumby> Greetings Mailman, My name is Shirley Marshall of Perfect Sites Web Design, and I have just recently partnered with Web4Designer to host my clients' sites, and they use Mailman for their mailing needs. Now I've gotten the whole mailing list set up for my client, and it seems to be functioning great - with one major glitch! My client - and most of my other clients who will soon follow this one - does NOT want this to be a 'post-to' mailing list. It is to be used exclusively to send out newsletters and other mailings, but is not designed to be a discussion list. I've managed to disable that option/link in most places, but, it continues to come up on every Welcome Mail as well as being automatically inserted at the top of every mailing! I cannot find anywhere to edit this part of the mails and it is causing confusion and many problems for my client. How can I go about removing the option/link to post to the mailing list from the e-mails? I had hoped that disabling that option in your settings area would automagically remove the option/link on the mails, but it is still showing up. I would very much appreciate it if you could explain to me how I can accomplish this in 'layman's terms' as I do not understand 'tech-speak'! And if at all possible, it would probably be best if you could explain it to me so I can make the necessary changes, because I already know there are at least four more clients of mine coming on board at Web4Designer and they ALL will NOT want to have the option to post included on their mailing lists! Since this is something that will need to be done on virtually all of my client's accounts, I'm sure it would be much easier for you also, if you can just show me once what needs to be done, and then I will be able to do it in the future without troubling you! ;-) I look forward to your speedy reply and hope to resolve this issue in a timely manner. Thank you so much for your prompt attention to this urgent matter! Best Regards, Shirley Marshall Perfect Sites Web Design <--------------------------------------------------------------------> Effective Websites for Less Money in 3-5 Days! Professional Web Design for Home/Small Businesses Would YOU like to have a Perfect Site? 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Anyway, I've been using Mailman for quite awhile, the server has been running LM 8.1 and was upgraded to 8.2. Mailman has received several upgrades while in place on the system. I'm explaining all of this because even though there appears to be no errors in the configuration or binaries, there is also no errors coming through the Mailman tools. I am using Sendmail-8.12.6, and have elected to use the traditional alias list which includes the /etc/mail/mailman.aliases file. I have the following Python RPMs (these are Mandrake centric RPMs): libpython2.2-2.2-9.1mdk libpython2.2-devel-2.2-9.1mdk postgresql-python-7.2-12mdk python-2.2-9.1mdk python-base-2.2-9.1mdk python-docs-2.2-9.1mdk pythonlib-1.28-1mdk python-numeric-20.3-2mdk I cannot locate the python-devel-2.x rpm indicated in the READMEs, and was hoping that this was my problem. I have run the check_perms, check_db, and don't know where the potential problem may reside, as there are no more error messages left to resolve. Any suggestions? -- Albert E. Whale - CISSP http://www.abs-comptech.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ABS Computer Technology, Inc. - ESM, Computer & Networking Specialists Sr. Security, Network, and Systems Consultant Board of Directors - InfraGard - Pittsburgh, PA From sam at rfc1149.net Fri Jan 31 15:07:14 2003 From: sam at rfc1149.net (Samuel Tardieu) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:07:14 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] FAQ entry: Who should deal with DNS errors? In-Reply-To: <15930.33395.709398.507704@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <87n0lhfw46.fsf@inf.enst.fr> <15930.33395.709398.507704@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <2003-01-31-15-07-14+trackit+sam@rfc1149.net> On 31/01, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: | | >>>>> "ST" == Samuel Tardieu writes: | | ST> I was going to add this FAQ entry, but I realize that I don't | ST> have a password to do that and I have to leave for a meeting | ST> right now. | | Folks, remember that the FAQwiz is on the honor system. Look at the | front page of the FAQwiz, down at the bottom of the page. The | password is right there in plain text. :) Sure, but time was missing, hence my request. I have to leave (again) in a few minutes, so if noone adds it I'll do it myself later. Sam From patrick.atlas at mg-france.fr Fri Jan 31 15:23:38 2003 From: patrick.atlas at mg-france.fr (Dr Patrick Atlas) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:23:38 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Command output: Failure to find group name mailman Message-ID: <002401c2c934$5bc38da0$3f01a8c0@anhinga> Hello, I have closely followed install instructions for mailman. But when I try to send something I get this error: : Command died with status 8: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman". Command output: Failure to find group name mailman Try adding this group to your system, or re-run configure, providing an existing group name with the command line option --with-mail-gid. ... but the 'mailman' group is really existing!! Mailman was created under mailman:mailman. Du I need to configure --with-mail-gid=mailman? I cannot find anything in the FAQ, or the bugtracking. My system: RedHat 8, Postfix 1.1.11, last release of Mailman, Apache 2.0, python 2.2 Any idea? ------ Patrick Atlas From gareth at za.uu.net Fri Jan 31 17:21:34 2003 From: gareth at za.uu.net (Gareth Hopkins) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:21:34 +0200 (SAST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting mailman to use the same smtp connection for messages sent to the same domain In-Reply-To: <20030131131418.GR1586@mtds.com> Message-ID: <20030131181437.G28651-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Simon White wrote: SW>31-Jan-03 at 14:39, Gareth Hopkins (gareth at uunet.co.za) wrote : SW>> Is there a way to get mailman to deliver messages to the same SW>> domain in one smtp connection. SW>> SW>> Example SW>> SW>> a at foo.com SW>> b at foo.com SW>> c at foo.com will all be delivered in the same smtp connection. SW>> SW>> At the moment it is connecting, delivering to a at foo.com, then SW>> disconnecting. Then connects, delivers to b at foo.com and disconnects and SW>> so on and so on. SW> SW>Use an MTA that supports connection pooling or whatever it is called, SW>instead of mailman? howdie, I am using postfix but it looks like when the messages are sent mailman sends out list-bounces email to each address. This causes a single connection to be made to the same host. --- Gareth Hopkins Server Operations UUNET South Africa (o) +27.21.658.8700 (f) +27.21.658.8552 (m) +27.82.929.6668 http://www.uunet.co.za 08600 UUNET (08600 88638) "The contents of this e-mail and any accompanying documentation is confidential and any use thereof, in whatever form, by anyone other than the addressee for whom it is intended, is strictly prohibited."