From dhphllps at memphis.edu Sat Feb 1 02:22:15 2003 From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 19:22:15 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix 2.0 Message-ID: <9936BF8C-3583-11D7-BF71-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> current setup: Mailman 2.1, OS X Server 10.2.3, Postfix 1.1.11 I've followed the instructions in README.POSTFIX for integrating Postfix with Mailman, and everything seems to be working perfectly. Anything I need to look out for in upgrading Postfix to 2.0.1? Anything that needs to be changed in either MM or Postfix's main.cf? Any incompatibilities between Mailman/mta/postfix.py (or any other modules for that matter) and postfix 2.0.1? thanks! dan From jon at csh.rit.edu Sat Feb 1 03:21:47 2003 From: jon at csh.rit.edu (Jon Parise) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:21:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix 2.0 In-Reply-To: <9936BF8C-3583-11D7-BF71-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> References: <9936BF8C-3583-11D7-BF71-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> Message-ID: <20030201022146.GA12369@csh.rit.edu> On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 07:22:15PM -0600, Dan Phillips wrote: > current setup: Mailman 2.1, OS X Server 10.2.3, Postfix 1.1.11 > > I've followed the instructions in README.POSTFIX for integrating > Postfix with Mailman, and everything seems to be working perfectly. > Anything I need to look out for in upgrading Postfix to 2.0.1? Anything > that needs to be changed in either MM or Postfix's main.cf? Any > incompatibilities between Mailman/mta/postfix.py (or any other modules > for that matter) and postfix 2.0.1? I've had zero problems after upgrading to Postfix 2.0.x. Nothing on the Mailman end needed to be changed. -- Jon Parise (jon at csh.rit.edu) :: http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jon/ From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Feb 1 03:51:42 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 31 Jan 2003 21:51:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Additional Mailman 2.1 info In-Reply-To: <3E3A76EE.8030708@ABS-CompTech.com> References: <3E3A76EE.8030708@ABS-CompTech.com> Message-ID: <1044067906.1619.31.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> This is pretty much prima facia evidence that you are missing some Python modules. You can either trace them down, or do what i did - install python from source. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 08:15, Albert E. Whale, CISSP wrote: > Following up on my previous Email, I (finally) found the trouble > shooting guide on the FAQ , and I have located what may be the problems > in my installation: > > ns.ABS-CompTech.com mailman > [/home/mailman] /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ? > from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 26, in ? > from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO > ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO > > Does this follow with the missing Python 2.2 Development RPM (Note that > LM 8.2 does not have a Python-development rpm). > > Do these errors shed any additional light on the matter? > > -- > Albert E. Whale - CISSP > http://www.abs-comptech.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ABS Computer Technology, Inc. - ESM, Computer & Networking Specialists > Sr. Security, Network, and Systems Consultant > Board of Directors - InfraGard - Pittsburgh, PA > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Feb 1 03:58:13 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 31 Jan 2003 21:58:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] All addresses are being bounced... In-Reply-To: <00bc01c2c936$bdf0b140$f3ce79cf@gordonconwell.edu> References: <00bc01c2c936$bdf0b140$f3ce79cf@gordonconwell.edu> Message-ID: <1044068296.1615.35.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> This is indicative of your mailserver not listening on localhost (127.0.0.1) which is definitive of Red Hat's default Sendmail install. Read FAQ 3.14 for help in troubleshooting this problem. Jon Carnes On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 09:40, Brian Barbour wrote: > I am using Mailman 2.0.7 and when I send a message to any of my list it > will bounce back on all receipients. The email server is working > perfectly, but for some reason when Mailman sends the message the log > shows that all recpients bounce. > > Any help > > Brian > > ***************************************************************** > Brian C. Barbour > Administrator of UNIX/Linux Systems & Web Infrastructure Services > Gordon Conwell Theological Seminary > 130 Essex St. South Hamilton, MA 01982 > ****************************************************************** > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Sat Feb 1 04:30:35 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 22:30:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Links for AOHell users? Message-ID: <20030201033035.GA13803@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I was asked by a customer today about the footer links on one of their lists and whether the links could be made to work with AOL's MUA (if it can be called an MUA). Any halfway decent MUA (and even MS OE) will allow a user to click on a link and open it in a browser, yet AOL doesn't work like this (at least not the versions that some of this customer's list members use). I already have personalization turned on for the list so I was wondering what it would take to check if user_address was an aol address and then change the link to add the required by AOL's brain dead MUA. I'd rather do this than change the links for everyone since there are (thankfully) relatively few AOL users. Has anyone else had to deal with this before (or better still, coded it :) ? If so, any pointers? I realize that what they should be told is, sorry, that's what you get for using an ISP that is 'so easy to use' (and the BOFH in me so badly wants to tell them!) but that's not always what customers want to hear. So I figure I'll ask quick before I either attempt to do this myself or tell my customer to tell the AOL users to deal with the effects of their bad choice in ISP's. Thanks! - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Sometimes the majority only means that all the fools are on the same side. -- Michael W. Smith -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+Oz9auv+09NZUB1oRAoeEAKCEANGa4CdZt2GOPTpIvyiXS/d04ACeKCMP 5ZhB+HSvbjZcL7Ib/BIq1vY= =zi9n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kmastin at beechtree.ca Sat Feb 1 07:40:05 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 01:40:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug in creating list via web-admin Message-ID: Hey all, I was creating a testlist via the web-admin thingy, when I got the following error after hitting the "create list" submit button. No message was sent to me about the new list, even though I requested it. I cross-tested this by using the bin/newlist command, which was successful (no errors) and sent me a message regarding the new list. This seems to be a python permissions problem from the last line of the output. I'm running postfix on a redhat 7.3 box. I'm more than comfortable adding all the lists via command line, but since this come up I guess someone else should know about it. Kind Regards, Keith Mastin ============= Error: We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/web/mlib/data/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/web/mlib/data/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main process_request(doc, cgidata) File "/web/mlib/data/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in process_request sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) File "/web/mlib/data/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 226, in create _update_maps() File "/web/mlib/data/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 47, in _update_maps raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /web/mlib/data/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Nov 22 2002, 17:25:34) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.3 2.96-112)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python2 sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 Environment variables: Variable Value HTTP_ACCEPT text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,text/css,*/*;q=0.1 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_REFERER https://www.mcleodlakeindianband.com/mailman/create SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) (Red-Hat/Linux) mod_auth_pam/1.1.1 mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.6b DAV/1.0.3 PHP/4.1.2 mod_perl/1.26 PYTHONPATH /web/mlib/data/mailman SCRIPT_FILENAME /web/mlib/data/mailman/cgi-bin/create SERVER_ADMIN webmaster at mcleodlake.com SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/create SERVER_SIGNATURE REQUEST_METHOD POST HTTP_HOST www.mcleodlakeindianband.com HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 300 HTTPS on SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING REQUEST_URI /mailman/create CONTENT_LENGTH 171 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-1, utf-8;q=0.66, *;q=0.66 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021003 HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive HTTP_COOKIE testlist+admin=280200000069fc623b3e732800000031656461623332376361316334663639313839313637336464616231326666616533663366666161; members+admin=28020000006994643b3e732800000037356534326339353866386137386363383064336439636430303838303462666331653666393138 SERVER_NAME www.mcleodlakeindianband.com REMOTE_ADDR 216.138.194.32 REMOTE_PORT 63243 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us, en;q=0.50 SERVER_PORT 443 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate, compress;q=0.9 SERVER_ADDR 216.113.197.175 DOCUMENT_ROOT /web/mlib/html From kmastin at beechtree.ca Sat Feb 1 08:02:20 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 02:02:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] squirrelmail sends mailman message as attachment Message-ID: Hey all, I'm running mailman-2.1 on a redhat 7.3 box with postfix-1.1.7-2, courier-imap-1.6.2-1.7.3, squirrelmail-1.2.10, php-4.1.2-7.3.6, and python2-2.2.2-3.7.3 When I send a message to the mailman list from SM, the test of the message is in an attachment, not in the text area of the message. When I send a message to the list from pine-4.44-7.73.0, the test of the message shows in the text area of the message. This is a brand new mailman deployment with thousands of potential users and an invite to join the list already sent to a huge announce list, so getting this fixed is critical. I'm curious about the server-side configuration for this list and what the problem could be. Any information needed to debug will be sent on request. Thanks Kindest Regards, Keith Mastin From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Sat Feb 1 08:09:31 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 02:09:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug in creating list via web-admin In-Reply-To: ; from kmastin@beechtree.ca on Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 01:40:05AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030201020931.A21470@dogpound.vnet.net> * Keith Mastin (kmastin at beechtree.ca) wrote: [snip] > This seems to be a python permissions problem from the last line of the > output. I'm running postfix on a redhat 7.3 box. [snip] > RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias > /web/mlib/data/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) [snip] Your right. Check the permissions on /web/mlib/data/mailman/data/aliases See if it can be written by whatever user you specified in --with-cgi-gid= at compile time (the user the cgi scripts run as). -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Seen on BBSer's tombstone: CONNECT 1953, NO CARRIER 1994 From ajit at cc.iitb.ac.in Sat Feb 1 08:19:41 2003 From: ajit at cc.iitb.ac.in (ajit k jena) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 12:49:41 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Partial Restriction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi All, Recently Richard Barrett had posted a response to someone about partially restricting the list. The regular expression he had given restricts the members to the domain your.domain.com. I want to expand this a little. I want to reject all subscription requests (as well as postings) from users who donot fall into one of the two possible patterns: user at your.domain.com user at subdomain.your.domain.com Is such a thing possible ? Please help me out in constructing a regular expression for this check. I am new to Python RE and so I have been struggling with this for a couple of days now. Thanks for your time. --ajit |------------------------------------------------------------------| | Ajit K. Jena Phone : (Office) +91-22-25768750 | | Computer Centre +91-22-25767751 | | Indian Institute of Technology (Home) +91-22-25768068 | | POWAI, Bombay Fax : +91-22-25723894 | | PIN 400076, India Email : ajit at cc.iitb.ac.in | |------------------------------------------------------------------| From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Sat Feb 1 08:17:28 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 02:17:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] squirrelmail sends mailman message as attachment In-Reply-To: ; from kmastin@beechtree.ca on Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 02:02:20AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030201021727.B21470@dogpound.vnet.net> * Keith Mastin (kmastin at beechtree.ca) wrote: [snip] > When I send a message to the mailman list from SM, the test of the message > is in an attachment, not in the text area of the message. > > When I send a message to the list from pine-4.44-7.73.0, the test of the > message shows in the text area of the message. [snip] > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Check the archives (and maybe the FAQ) about this. This has been discussed recently. Check this patch. It might be what your looking for. It trys to keep the message as plain-text. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=664209&group_id=103&atid=300103 -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Lefties are the only ones in their right minds. From kmastin at beechtree.ca Sat Feb 1 10:02:31 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 04:02:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] squirrelmail sends mailman message as attachment In-Reply-To: <20030201021727.B21470@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: Hi Matthew, >* Keith Mastin (kmastin at beechtree.ca) wrote: >[snip] >> When I send a message to the mailman list from SM, the test of the message >> is in an attachment, not in the text area of the message. >> >> When I send a message to the list from pine-4.44-7.73.0, the test of the >> message shows in the text area of the message. >[snip] > >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >Check the archives (and maybe the FAQ) about this. This has been discussed >recently. I did check the archives before I sent the first message, and AFAIK my message from last week was the only one I could find with this issue. I did just go to the archives, but the patches there seems to all be for earlier versions, and supposedly 2.1 is supposed to have MIME capabilities for html email. >Check this patch. It might be what your looking for. It trys to keep the >message as plain-text. >http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=664209&group_id=103&atid=300103 Thanks for the link. I just applied the patch and ran a test from galeon with the same results (text only in attachment). I did not, however, uninstall mailman, just ran make install right over top of the original. Does this make a difference? (I have zero experience with patching.) Here's the output from applying the patch: [root at mail mailman]# cd Mailman/Handlers/ [root at mail Handlers]# patch -p1 < /home/kmastin/Decorate.py missing header for unified diff at line 3 of patch (Stripping trailing CRs from patch.) can't find file to patch at input line 3 Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option? The text leading up to this was: -------------------------- |--- /home/mailman/src/Release_2_1-maint/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py Wed Jan 8 11:13:38 2003 |+++ Decorate.py Wed Jan 8 16:27:01 2003 -------------------------- File to patch: Decorate.py patching file Decorate.py Thanks again. Kind Regards, Keith Mastin From simon at mtds.com Sat Feb 1 12:56:40 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 11:56:40 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting mailman to use the same smtp connection for messages sent to the same domain In-Reply-To: <15930.53753.820522.706200@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <20030131131418.GR1586@mtds.com> <20030131181437.G28651-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> <20030131164925.GE2427@mtds.com> <15930.47564.989377.655778@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20030131182559.GO2427@mtds.com> <15930.53753.820522.706200@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20030201115640.GB3978@mtds.com> 31-Jan-03 at 14:43, Barry A. Warsaw (barry at python.org) wrote : > >>>>> "SW" == Simon White writes: > > SW> Chunking like this means that you're actually sending RCPT TO: > SW> based on TLD, and then only US TLDs, right? So SMTP_MAX_RCPTS > SW> set to 50 could mean several different second level domains in > SW> the same chunk, but for every TLD outside the US there will be > SW> separate sessions for each mail sent? > > Not exactly. All the other tlds get dropped in the same bucket and > the chunks are filled from the buckets. There are at most 4 buckets: > > 0 == everything else > 1 == .com > 2 == .org .net > 3 == .edu .us .ca Most of mine are .fr and .ma, could performance increase if tweaked the buckets? > SW> Not exactly easy in real code, but if what you say about the > SW> algorithm is true, then I could seriously improve performance > SW> for my lists by doing this. Right now, my MTA takes over 3 > SW> hours to deliver the bulk of my 12000 subscriber list (not > SW> including bounces and poor receiving MX hosts). > > I'm highly doubtful that the chunking algorithm is your problem. More > likely its an mta issue. It's probably the machine, it doesn't have enough memory (64MB) and python tends to be greedy, and also (big mistake) bind is running on the machine and starts eating memory too. Thanks for your responses, Barry. -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From paul at fpen.org Sat Feb 1 13:47:38 2003 From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 06:47:38 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Site-wide header in HTML pages Message-ID: I asked this one a while back but am still having trouble. I would like a header to appear at the top of all the HTML pages. I have gone into mailman/templates/en and modified the following: archidxhead.html archtoc.html listinfo.html article.html emptyarchive.html admlogin.html options.html private.html roster.html subscribe.html But there are still pages that I cannot seem to change. I recognize that some will only appear if the page is created after the above have been modified. Pages that have not changed for example are: http://site/mailman/admin/listname[/any-directory] http://site/mailman/listinfo My skills are marginal at best so forgive my ignorance. Paul -- Paul Kleeberg paul at fpen.org From jjlasalle at attbi.com Sat Feb 1 13:57:18 2003 From: jjlasalle at attbi.com (Jim LaSalle) Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 07:57:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] IRC Message-ID: <3E3BC42E.3070404@attbi.com> Is there an IRC for users of this mail list? From bob at nleaudio.com Sat Feb 1 16:23:34 2003 From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:23:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest Topic Lists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030201152334.M13845@nleaudio.com> Hi Barry and Gang, We're getting closer with the Digest Topic list! It looks better per line, except now there is an extra blank line between each entry, as demonstarted by this latest one: Today's Topics: 1. [Mailman-Users] postfix 2.0 (Dan Phillips) 2. Re: [Mailman-Users] postfix 2.0 (Jon Parise) 3. Re: [Mailman-Users] Additional Mailman 2.1 info (Jon Carnes) 4. Re: [Mailman-Users] All addresses are being bounced... (Jon Carnes) 5. [Mailman-Users] Links for AOHell users? (Todd) 6. [Mailman-Users] bug in creating list via web-admin (Keith Mastin) 7. [Mailman-Users] squirrelmail sends mailman message as attachment (Keith Mastin) 8. Re: [Mailman-Users] bug in creating list via web-admin (Matthew Davis) 9. [Mailman-Users] Partial Restriction (ajit k jena) 10. Re: [Mailman-Users] squirrelmail sends mailman message as attachment (Matthew Davis) There's probably just an extra \n somewhere. Bob From michael at spconnect.com Sat Feb 1 17:17:30 2003 From: michael at spconnect.com (Michael Ghens) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 08:17:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto deleteing non-member posts Message-ID: Posts from non-members, I prefer to just delete and/or send a non-member warning. I have just upgraded to 2.1. In 2.0.xx, I had to have a script running to delete posts and copy over a db every day. Is this still the case? From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com Sat Feb 1 17:18:20 2003 From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 11:18:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 mailpasswds error Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030201105756.02cde970@64.65.196.198> Several weeks ago, I upgraded Mailman from v2.0.11 to v2.1, and have not had any problems with it since. Both the users and me, as administrator, love all the new features that became available. However, the end-of-month cron job mailpasswds did not run. The subject of the message is: Cron /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds And, the body of the message is: Site list is missing: mailman I tried manually running /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds -l testlist and got the same message: Site list is missing: mailman Is this due to a configuration error I made when installing v2.1? I checked the list archives for this error, and did not find anything. I'd like to get this corrected so I can manually run the job and get the passwords distributed to the users. Thanks! Larry From mattbrown.lists at lamphost.net Sat Feb 1 09:58:26 2003 From: mattbrown.lists at lamphost.net (Matt Brown) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 08:58:26 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 mailpasswds error In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030201105756.02cde970@64.65.196.198> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030201105756.02cde970@64.65.196.198> Message-ID: <200302010858.26345.mattbrown.lists@lamphost.net> On Saturday 01 February 2003 04:18 pm, Larry Hansford wrote: > However, the end-of-month cron job mailpasswds did not run. > > The subject of the message is: > > Cron /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds > > And, the body of the message is: > > Site list is missing: mailman With 2.1 you need to create a "site-wide" mailing list called "mailman". From the INSTALL file: - Create a "site-wide" mailing list. This is the one that password reminders will appear to come from. Usually this should be the "mailman" mailing list, but if you need to change this, be sure to change the MAILMAN_SITE_LIST variable in mm_cfg.py (see below). % bin/newlist mailman Follow the prompts, and see the README file for more information. - You should then subscribe yourself to the mailman list. From barry at python.org Sat Feb 1 18:10:13 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 12:10:13 -0500 Subject: PyCon, Sprints, and IRC (was Re: [Mailman-Users] IRC) References: <3E3BC42E.3070404@attbi.com> Message-ID: <15931.65397.179142.150480@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "JL" == Jim LaSalle writes: JL> Is there an IRC for users of this mail list? irc.freenode.net #mailman But I haven't had much time to hang out there lately. :( BTW, is anybody planning on coming to PyCon? http://www.python.org/pycon/ If there is enough interest and participation, I'd be willing to chair a Mailman sprint. I can think of several topics that might be useful to sprint on: - documentation - bug fix day - improving the archiver (adding searching, or webmail) - Mailman 3.0 sprints (member mgt, backing database) - improve admindb interface I'm of course open to other suggestions. Anybody interested and planning on attending? -Barry From fernando at schapachnik.com.ar Sat Feb 1 18:14:39 2003 From: fernando at schapachnik.com.ar (Fernando Schapachnik) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 14:14:39 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer In-Reply-To: <922222437.1044015189@[192.168.254.79]> References: <20030130232858.GG365@funes.schapachnik.com.ar> <008801c2c8cf$c39e1d60$1401a8c0@anncons> <20030131154558.GA58794@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> <20030131162910.GD2427@mtds.com> <20030131164528.GB59702@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> <922222437.1044015189@[192.168.254.79]> Message-ID: <20030201171439.GN28497@funes.schapachnik.com.ar> En un mensaje anterior, Tom Neff escribi?: > If you have the ability to patch your Mailman installation, you could > add a new variable name (like mlist.fortune) to the ALLOWEDS array in > Mailman/Gui/Digest.py and then use the 'withlist' command to set this > variable to a new value every so often, and include it in the msg_footer So I did it. I also added: self.external_footer = '' in MailList.py:InitVars() and d['external_footer'] = mlist.external_footer in Handlers/Decorate.py:process() (line 38). I can set the footer with 'withlist', but the problem is that previous lists don't have the external_footer field so they blow with: File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 130, in __getattr__ raise AttributeError, name AttributeError: external_footer How do I add the new attribute to the existing lists? Thanks! Fernando P. Schapachnik fernando at schapachnik.com.ar From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com Sat Feb 1 18:35:49 2003 From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 12:35:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 mailpasswds error In-Reply-To: <200302010858.26345.mattbrown.lists@lamphost.net> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030201105756.02cde970@64.65.196.198> <5.2.0.9.2.20030201105756.02cde970@64.65.196.198> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030201123459.02cd9330@192.168.0.3> At 03:58 AM 2/1/2003, Matt Brown wrote: >On Saturday 01 February 2003 04:18 pm, Larry Hansford wrote: > > However, the end-of-month cron job mailpasswds did not run. > > > > The subject of the message is: > > > > Cron /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds > > > > And, the body of the message is: > > > > Site list is missing: mailman > >With 2.1 you need to create a "site-wide" mailing list called "mailman". From >the INSTALL file: > > - Create a "site-wide" mailing list. This is the one that > password reminders will appear to come from. Usually this > should be the "mailman" mailing list, but if you need to change > this, be sure to change the MAILMAN_SITE_LIST variable in > mm_cfg.py (see below). > > % bin/newlist mailman > > Follow the prompts, and see the README file for more > information. > > - You should then subscribe yourself to the mailman list. Thanks! That fixed it. I apparently totally overlooked those instructions when I did the upgrade. Larry From aewhale at ABS-CompTech.com Sat Feb 1 19:38:48 2003 From: aewhale at ABS-CompTech.com (Albert E. Whale, CISSP) Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 13:38:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Additional Mailman 2.1 info References: <3E3A76EE.8030708@ABS-CompTech.com> <1044067906.1619.31.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <3E3C1438.3030002@ABS-CompTech.com> THank you Jon, Guess that's exactly what I needed to hear! Have a Great Day! Jon Carnes wrote: >This is pretty much prima facia evidence that you are missing some >Python modules. You can either trace them down, or do what i did - >install python from source. > >Good Luck - Jon Carnes > >On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 08:15, Albert E. Whale, CISSP wrote: > > >>Following up on my previous Email, I (finally) found the trouble >>shooting guide on the FAQ , and I have located what may be the problems >>in my installation: >> >>ns.ABS-CompTech.com mailman >>[/home/mailman] /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner >>Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ? >> from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI >> File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 26, in ? >> from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO >>ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO >> >>Does this follow with the missing Python 2.2 Development RPM (Note that >>LM 8.2 does not have a Python-development rpm). >> >>Do these errors shed any additional light on the matter? >> >>-- >>Albert E. Whale - CISSP >>http://www.abs-comptech.com >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>ABS Computer Technology, Inc. - ESM, Computer & Networking Specialists >>Sr. Security, Network, and Systems Consultant >>Board of Directors - InfraGard - Pittsburgh, PA >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------ >>Mailman-Users mailing list >>Mailman-Users at python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >>This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com >>Unsubscribe or change your options at >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com >> >> > > > > -- Albert E. Whale - CISSP http://www.abs-comptech.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ABS Computer Technology, Inc. - ESM, Computer & Networking Specialists Sr. Security, Network, and Systems Consultant Board of Directors - InfraGard - Pittsburgh, PA From paul at thcwd.com Sat Feb 1 20:44:08 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 13:44:08 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Digest Topic Lists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030201134140.03b1cd60@mail.thcwd.com> Bob wrote: >Hi Barry and Gang, > >We're getting closer with the Digest Topic list! It looks better per line, Yes it does, thanks. >except now there is an extra blank line between each entry, as demonstarted by >this latest one: Funny, I like it better that way. Can't make everyone happy at once! <>< Paul From paul at fpen.org Sat Feb 1 23:52:50 2003 From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 16:52:50 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Site-wide header in HTML pages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I found the answer and thought I would share it with the group. There are three other files that require modification in the mailman/Mailman/Cgy directory: admin.py listinfo.py admindb.py I am not sure if I can tell you what I did besides doing a multi-file search in mailman for key phrases found on the "offending" pages and then tinkered with the above files until the results looked good (restarting mailman after each modification). If anyone is interested I could send you the above files - the changes are marked. I am sure there is a better way to do this but at least this works. Paul At 6:47 AM -0600 2/1/03, Paul Kleeberg wrote: >I asked this one a while back but am still having trouble. > >I would like a header to appear at the top of all the HTML pages. I >have gone into mailman/templates/en and modified the following: > > archidxhead.html > archtoc.html > listinfo.html > article.html > emptyarchive.html > admlogin.html > options.html > private.html > roster.html > subscribe.html > >But there are still pages that I cannot seem to change. I recognize >that some will only appear if the page is created after the above >have been modified. Pages that have not changed for example are: > > http://site/mailman/admin/listname[/any-directory] > http://site/mailman/listinfo > >My skills are marginal at best so forgive my ignorance. -- Paul Kleeberg paul at fpen.org From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com Sun Feb 2 01:42:10 2003 From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 19:42:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personalization Options Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030201192910.05841a20@64.65.196.198> Since I upgraded to Mailman 2.1, I want to add personalized messages in the footer of messages, much like the ones that are included with this list. I added these lines to the mm_cfg.py file, as indicated in the FAQ: VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = 1 VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = 1 VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = 1 I'm not sure what variables are available for adding to the lines, though. Is there a link to references of variables that are available? Also, for our lists, the footer is repeated with each reply to the message. I can't find the setting to change that so previous footings are removed before the new one is attached. Thanks! Larry From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Feb 2 05:13:58 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 01 Feb 2003 23:13:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto deleteing non-member posts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1044159243.1615.6.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> The work-around will still work, but is no longer necessary. In 2.1 you can set any list to automatically discard any held messages. Many kudos to Barry and the development crew! This area of Mailman has been greatly expanded and improved - not only in choices, but in the robustness of the application. As an example of this, the request.db file can now simply be deleted and Mailman will recreate one as necessary. This make it quite easy to handle a run-away situation from the command line. Jon Carnes On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 11:17, Michael Ghens wrote: > Posts from non-members, I prefer to just delete and/or send a non-member > warning. I have just upgraded to 2.1. > > In 2.0.xx, I had to have a script running to delete posts and copy over a > db every day. > > Is this still the case? > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From df at dune.org Sun Feb 2 05:23:10 2003 From: df at dune.org (df at dune.org) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 05:23:10 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1 + qmail + vpopmail = alias tremendous problems Message-ID: <006e01c2ca72$cba5abf0$6901a8c0@arrakis> Hello As a lot of qmail+vpopmail+mailman users, I get the famous "Sorry,_no_mailbox_here_by_that_name._(#5.1.1)" error message. I have gathered here the 3 alias creation methods i found reading the archives, in the hope one of a goodwill soul to help. Here is my setup: FreeBSD 4.7_Stable - sources and ports from 02.02.2003 Mailman 2.1 (from port tree) Qmail (from port tree) Vpopmail (from port tree) Qmailadmin (from port tree) I did read and follow mailman/docs/README.QMAIL i also made the setup of a virtual "mm.domain.com" for mailman's use. list creation / web access / email notifications (on subscribe, list creation) all those work perfectly. During my browsing i found at least 3 different ways to setup those: 1) according you previously edited ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py with > MTA_ALIASES_STYLE = 'qmail' mailman should give the correct syntax to create qmail kind of alias files; just copy paste (watch out to paths), that's it. 2) using qmail-to-mailman.py by editing the /usr/local/vpopmail/domain.com/.qmail-default file - by the way is it: > |preline /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py or > | preline /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py or > |/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py or > | /var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py or > |/usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py that should be used ?!- Also regarding qmail-to-mailman.py file, some people suggested to replace "mailman-" by "mydomain.com-".. due to some ways vpopmail handles the emails adresses .. or so.. Either way it doesn't work. 3) there is a small script supplyed at the end of the README.QMAIL i did a little adjustments for mailman 2.1 (i hope i did no mistakes.. and again i assume the |preline or |/var/qmail/bin/preline isn't an issue here...): -------- start cut --------- #!/bin/sh if [ $# = 1 ]; then i=$1 echo Making links to $i... echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post $i" > .qmail-$i echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin $i" > .qmail-$i-admin echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces $i" > .qmail-$i-bounces echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm $i" > .qmail-$i-confirm echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join $i" > .qmail-$i-join echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave $i" > .qmail-$i-leave echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner $i" > .qmail-$i-owner echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request $i" > .qmail-$i-request echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe $i" > .qmail-$i-subscribe echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe $i" > .qmail-$i-unsubscribe fi -------- end of cut ------- I assume this script should be run in /usr/local/vpopmail/domains/domain.com/ in order to have the proper alias files created for the right virtual domain.. Final note: the best i could get from qmail-to-mailman.py was an error message in /var/log/maillog: Feb 2 05:07:16 freaks qmail: 1044158836.094343 delivery 27: failure: TO_ACCESS_THE_MAILING_LIST_SYSTEM:_Start_your_web_browser_on /http://domain.com//That_web_page_will_help_you_subscribe_or_unsubscri be,_and_will/give_you_directions_on_how_to_post_to_each_mailing_list./ That message was bounced 3x times. If you need more infos to troubleshoot my config, please tell me witch, and i'll provide them. ps: please forgive my sloppy syntax and spelling, english is not my main language :/ Feel free to contact me anytime. Regards. df at dune.org From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Feb 2 05:52:49 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 01 Feb 2003 23:52:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personalization Options In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030201192910.05841a20@64.65.196.198> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030201192910.05841a20@64.65.196.198> Message-ID: <1044161573.1619.25.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> This is from the archives... A message from Sheryl Coe: Here's my own humble how-to, assembled shamelessly from previous posts to this Mailman list. <#> WHAT PERSONALIZATION LOOKS LIKE > This personalization example is from this Mailman list (urls are not real, do not click): This message was sent to: test8 at subscriber.net Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/test8%40subscriber.net > This is what I recommend (urls are not real, do not click): _______________________________________________ GENERAL LIST INFORMATION: The TEST mailing list TEST at lists.listsdomain.net http://www.listdomain.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/test _______________________________________________ YOUR PERSONAL SUBSCRIBER OPTIONS: Unsubscribe or choose new options at http://www.listdomain.net/mailman/options.cgi/test/test8%40subscriber.net For all lists you are subscribed to at lists.listdomain.net under the email address test8 at subscriber.net your current password is notarealpass _______________________________________________ <#> CHANGES YOU MAKE TO THE mm_cfg.py FILE I pasted the lines below to make personalization possible. From the FAQ: Q. Can I put the user's address in the footer that Mailman adds to each message? A. Yes, in Mailman 2.1. The site admin needs to enable personalization by setting the following variables in the mm_cfg.py file VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = 1 VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = 1 VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = 1 If you want to give the power to your list owners: OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = 1 <#> HOW TO SET UP PERSONALIZATION FOR LIST ADMINS It's all done in the NON-DIGEST OPTIONS screen: <#><#>Go to the option for "Should Mailman personalize each non-digest delivery?" "Select No to disable personalization and send messages to the members in batches. Select Yes to personalize deliveries and allow additional substitution variables in message headers and footers (see below). In addition, by selecting Full Personalization, the To header of posted messages will be modified to include the member's address instead of the list's posting address. " <#><#>Go to the option for "Footer added to mail sent to regular list members." Paste this text: _______________________________________________ GENERAL LIST INFORMATION: The %(real_name)s mailing list %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s _______________________________________________ YOUR PERSONAL SUBSCRIBER OPTIONS: Unsubscribe or choose new options at %(user_optionsurl)s For all lists you are subscribed to at %(host_name)s under the email address %(user_delivered_to)s your current password is %(user_password)s _______________________________________________ END OF HOW-TO SET UP PERSONALIZATION ====== On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 19:42, Larry Hansford wrote: > Since I upgraded to Mailman 2.1, I want to add personalized messages in the > footer of messages, much like the ones that are included with this list. I > added these lines to the mm_cfg.py file, as indicated in the FAQ: > > VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = 1 > VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = 1 > VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 > VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = 1 > > I'm not sure what variables are available for adding to the lines, > though. Is there a link to references of variables that are available? > > Also, for our lists, the footer is repeated with each reply to the > message. I can't find the setting to change that so previous footings are > removed before the new one is attached. > > Thanks! > > Larry > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jjlasalle at attbi.com Sun Feb 2 06:46:41 2003 From: jjlasalle at attbi.com (Jim LaSalle) Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 00:46:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing config file Message-ID: <3E3CB0C1.6030004@attbi.com> What is the format for the mm.cfg.MAILMAN_SITE_LIST file? Where should it be located? Thanks. From Support at VLists.Net Sun Feb 2 18:26:48 2003 From: Support at VLists.Net (VLists.Net Support) Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 11:26:48 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] master-qrunner.pid Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20030202112648.00ad9cd8@vlists.net> We've had several instances lately where Mailman 2.1 just dies silently and no more mail goes out. I've resorted to putting a cron job in that restarts mailmanctl but when that happens I get the following returned... Shutting down Mailman's master qrunner PID unreadable in: /usr/home/circle/usr/local/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/home/circle/usr/local/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid' Is qrunner even running? Sure enough, the pid file is missing, and the restart has no effect. I have to actually stop mailmanctl and then start it. Not a restart, but a stop/start process. Then everything in the qfiles/in gets processed and it goes on its way again for a few hours until it dies. I'm running Python 2.1.3 and Mailman 2.1 Final on FreeBSD 4.4 Any ideas? From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Feb 2 19:01:34 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 02 Feb 2003 13:01:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing config file In-Reply-To: <3E3CB0C1.6030004@attbi.com> References: <3E3CB0C1.6030004@attbi.com> Message-ID: <1044208903.1610.21.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that MAILMAN_SITE_LIST in ~mailman/Mailman/.. referred to a mailing list name. In this case the mailing list name that is used as the From address for such things as password reminders. The list defaults to "mailman". It's format is simple, simply create a mailing list called "mailman" (using: ~mailman/bin/newlist mailman). Then add your email address to the list membership. Jon Carnes On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 00:46, Jim LaSalle wrote: > What is the format for the mm.cfg.MAILMAN_SITE_LIST file? > Where should it be located? > > Thanks. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From lists at monkeez.co.uk Sun Feb 2 19:52:40 2003 From: lists at monkeez.co.uk (Adam) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 18:52:40 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password reminder Message-ID: <20030202185240.1c5247e4.lists@monkeez.co.uk> Yesterday I got reminders from lists that I am a member of, but am not an administrator. However, the box that I administer (for the past 3 days) didn't send out any reminder. Does it do it automatically on the first day of the month, or rather a month after being setup? Also, is there a way of sending out the reminders manually? I've looked in the bin dir, but nothing strikes me as being obvious. Thanks in advance. adam -- Public Key available from www.monkeez.co.uk/public_key.asc From dhphllps at memphis.edu Sun Feb 2 19:58:06 2003 From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:58:06 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron/senddigests error Message-ID: <4375860A-36E0-11D7-9EF1-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> I suppose I may have created this problem by commenting out the inclusion of all but from, to, cc and subject in /mailman/handlers/ToDigest.py, but it hasn't created problems for any other lists, or previous digests. This error message came today: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Users/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ? main() File "/Users/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main mlist.send_digest_now() File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 129, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 290, in send_i18n_digests g(msg, unixfrom=0) File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 100, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 128, in _write self._dispatch(msg) File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 154, in _dispatch meth(msg) File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 212, in _handle_text raise TypeError, 'string payload expected: %s' % type(payload) TypeError: string payload expected: Comments in the ToDigest.py refer to the /qfiles/digest directory which doesn't seem to exist. I can manually send digests for all but one list w/o errors. The archives for the misbehaving list seem to be fine. What should I be looking for? Thanks Dan From chris at lifeforce.de Sun Feb 2 20:16:51 2003 From: chris at lifeforce.de (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:16:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] htaccess References: <20030202185240.1c5247e4.lists@monkeez.co.uk> Message-ID: <008e01c2caef$a41aa7c0$025ca8c0@lf> hi ! i want to have a htaccess file for the archive and for the page to subscribe... but where do i have to place this htaccess file??? i have tried in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/ and /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ but without any success ... i am using mailman 2.0.13 thanks for any help chris From david at midrange.com Sun Feb 2 20:19:13 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 13:19:13 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: master-qrunner.pid References: <3.0.3.32.20030202112648.00ad9cd8@vlists.net> Message-ID: "VLists.Net Support" wrote in message news:3.0.3.32.20030202112648.00ad9cd8 at vlists.net... > We've had several instances lately where Mailman 2.1 just dies silently and > no more mail goes out. I've resorted to putting a cron job in that > restarts mailmanctl but when that happens I get the following returned... Does your qrunner log show something like this ... Feb 01 15:51:47 2003 (30152) BounceRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Feb 01 15:51:47 2003 (30152) BounceRunner qrunner exiting. Feb 01 15:51:47 2003 (30154) IncomingRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Feb 01 15:51:47 2003 (30154) IncomingRunner qrunner exiting. Feb 01 15:51:47 2003 (30156) OutgoingRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Feb 01 15:51:47 2003 (30156) OutgoingRunner qrunner exiting. Feb 01 15:51:47 2003 (30153) CommandRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Feb 01 15:51:48 2003 (30153) CommandRunner qrunner exiting. Feb 01 15:51:47 2003 (30157) VirginRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Feb 01 15:51:48 2003 (30157) VirginRunner qrunner exiting. Feb 01 15:51:47 2003 (30151) ArchRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Feb 01 15:51:48 2003 (30151) ArchRunner qrunner exiting. Feb 01 15:51:49 2003 (30155) NewsRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Feb 01 15:51:50 2003 (30155) NewsRunner qrunner exiting. david From webperson at now.org Sun Feb 2 20:14:28 2003 From: webperson at now.org (NOW Website Coordinator) Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 11:14:28 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Manually marking users as bouncing/bad addresses? Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030202110551.00c28100@now.org> I'd like to come up with a way to deal with the users who are not being handled by the bounce processor besides just unsubscribing them. Basically, I want to be able to give our membership department a list of bad email addresses, which I figure I can somehow get out of the bounce log. If I just unsubscribed them, I have no record of whether they wanted to be unsubscribed (and maybe couldn't figure it out for themselves) or were a bad address. But because so many messages bounce to me rather than get processed, I'd like to be able to mark them in a way that they then get deleted through the bounce processor. I see the "nomail" field in the membership page. Is there a way I can use this? Or is there some other way I can queue people up to be bounced? By the way, is there any log of people who change their email address? I haven't found it. Thanks. From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Feb 2 20:26:43 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 02 Feb 2003 14:26:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] master-qrunner.pid In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20030202112648.00ad9cd8@vlists.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20030202112648.00ad9cd8@vlists.net> Message-ID: <1044214006.2251.27.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> What are your system resources while running Mailmanctl? How much memory do you have in use? How much swap are you using? How much drive space do you have on each volume? And for an off-beat question: Are your archives updating properly? On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 12:26, VLists.Net Support wrote: > We've had several instances lately where Mailman 2.1 just dies silently and > no more mail goes out. I've resorted to putting a cron job in that > restarts mailmanctl but when that happens I get the following returned... > > Shutting down Mailman's master qrunner > PID unreadable in: /usr/home/circle/usr/local/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/home/circle/usr/local/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid' > Is qrunner even running? > > Sure enough, the pid file is missing, and the restart has no effect. I > have to actually stop mailmanctl and then start it. Not a restart, but a > stop/start process. Then everything in the qfiles/in gets processed and it > goes on its way again for a few hours until it dies. > > I'm running Python 2.1.3 and Mailman 2.1 Final on FreeBSD 4.4 > > Any ideas? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Feb 2 20:33:31 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 02 Feb 2003 14:33:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password reminder In-Reply-To: <20030202185240.1c5247e4.lists@monkeez.co.uk> References: <20030202185240.1c5247e4.lists@monkeez.co.uk> Message-ID: <1044214414.2251.34.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Check out the crontab for Mailman. During the install you should have put several entries into the cron for the local user that runs Mailman (usually the user is "mailman"). The cron entries can be found in: ~mailman/cron/crontab.in One of these entries handles the sending out of monthly list passwords. If you want to run it manually, simply type the command: /usr/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds This assumes that your python 2.2.x is in /usr/bin and that mailman is installed in the default location of /usr/local/mailman. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 13:52, Adam wrote: > Yesterday I got reminders from lists that I am a member of, > but am not an administrator. However, the box that I > administer (for the past 3 days) didn't send out any reminder. > > Does it do it automatically on the first day of the month, or rather a month after being setup? > > Also, is there a way of sending out the reminders manually? I've looked in the bin dir, but nothing strikes me as being obvious. > > Thanks in advance. > adam > > -- > Public Key available from www.monkeez.co.uk/public_key.asc > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Feb 2 23:11:05 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 02 Feb 2003 17:11:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Manually marking users as bouncing/bad addresses? In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030202110551.00c28100@now.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030202110551.00c28100@now.org> Message-ID: <1044223868.2251.39.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Would it be useful to look at the logs to see the bounces? As an example I run a script to look for members who have been knocked off the list by excessive bouncing... MONTH=`date -d"last month" +%b` echo $MONTH grep -hs "disabled " /home/mailman/logs/bounce.1 \ /home/mailman/logs/bounce | \ grep -vs "already disabled" | \ grep -s $MONTH | \ cut -f6- "-d " |sort I also run some similar checks against my MTA logs. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 14:14, NOW Website Coordinator wrote: > I'd like to come up with a way to deal with the users who are not being > handled by the bounce processor besides just unsubscribing > them. Basically, I want to be able to give our membership department a > list of bad email addresses, which I figure I can somehow get out of the > bounce log. If I just unsubscribed them, I have no record of whether they > wanted to be unsubscribed (and maybe couldn't figure it out for themselves) > or were a bad address. > > But because so many messages bounce to me rather than get processed, I'd > like to be able to mark them in a way that they then get deleted through > the bounce processor. > > I see the "nomail" field in the membership page. Is there a way I can use > this? Or is there some other way I can queue people up to be bounced? > > By the way, is there any log of people who change their email address? I > haven't found it. > > Thanks. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From dhphllps at memphis.edu Sun Feb 2 23:54:48 2003 From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 16:54:48 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Cron/senddigests Message-ID: <54775EF2-3701-11D7-9EF1-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> Any idea where this error is coming from? This error is coming from only one list; a manual running of senddigests -l on other lists functions perfectly. /lists/problemlist/digest.mbox appears to be fine. Any ideas? anyone? what else should I be checking? > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/Users/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ? > main() > File "/Users/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main > mlist.send_digest_now() > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in > send_digest_now > ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 129, in > send_digests > send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 290, in > send_i18n_digests > g(msg, unixfrom=0) > File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 100, in > flatten > self._write(msg) > File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 128, in > _write > self._dispatch(msg) > File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 154, in > _dispatch > meth(msg) > File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 212, in > _handle_text > raise TypeError, 'string payload expected: %s' % type(payload) > TypeError: string payload expected: > From jjlasalle at attbi.com Sat Feb 1 13:23:29 2003 From: jjlasalle at attbi.com (Jim LaSalle) Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 07:23:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm.cfg.MAILMAN_SITE_LIST Message-ID: <3E3BBC41.5020608@attbi.com> I recently installed Mailman at our school. It is fantastic. Thank you very much for a fine software package. This morning I receive and email saying "Site list is missing: mailman" Picking through the /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswords script I see a mm.cfg.MAILMAN_SITE_LIST is required. What are the contents and layout of this file? Where should it be located? I checked your web site for help on this but came up dry. Where is the documentation with this type of detail. Once again, thanks for all your efforts. From adam at monkeez.co.uk Sat Feb 1 15:56:13 2003 From: adam at monkeez.co.uk (Adam) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 14:56:13 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] IRC In-Reply-To: <3E3BC42E.3070404@attbi.com> References: <3E3BC42E.3070404@attbi.com> Message-ID: <20030201145613.279a3058.adam@monkeez.co.uk> irc.freenode.net with channel #mailman (but it seems that I'm the only person there at the moment). On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 07:57:18 -0500 Jim LaSalle wrote: > Is there an IRC for users of this mail list? > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: lists at monkeez.co.uk > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/lists%40monkeez.co.uk -- Public Key available from www.monkeez.co.uk/public_key.asc From r.sand at new-net.net Sun Feb 2 05:13:37 2003 From: r.sand at new-net.net (r.sand at new-net.net) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 05:13:37 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1 + qmail + vpopmail = alias tremendous problems Message-ID: <005801c2ca71$75a136d0$6901a8c0@arrakis> Hello As a lot of qmail+vpopmail+mailman users, I get the famous "Sorry,_no_mailbox_here_by_that_name._(#5.1.1)" error message. I have gathered here the 3 alias creation methods i found reading the archives, in the hope one of a goodwill soul to help. Here is my setup: FreeBSD 4.7_Stable - sources and ports from 02.02.2003 Mailman 2.1 (from port tree) Qmail (from port tree) Vpopmail (from port tree) Qmailadmin (from port tree) I did read and follow mailman/docs/README.QMAIL i also made the setup of a virtual "mm.domain.com" for mailman's use. list creation / web access / email notifications (on subscribe, list creation) all those work perfectly. During my browsing i found at least 3 different ways to setup those: 1) according you previously edited ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py with > MTA_ALIASES_STYLE = 'qmail' mailman should give the correct syntax to create qmail kind of alias files; just copy paste (watch out to paths), that's it. 2) using qmail-to-mailman.py by editing the /usr/local/vpopmail/domain.com/.qmail-default file - by the way is it: > |preline /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py or > | preline /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py or > |/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py or > | /var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py or > |/usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py that should be used ?!- Also regarding qmail-to-mailman.py file, some people suggested to replace "mailman-" by "mydomain.com-".. due to some ways vpopmail handles the emails adresses .. or so.. Either way it doesn't work. 3) there is a small script supplyed at the end of the README.QMAIL i did a little adjustments for mailman 2.1 (i hope i did no mistakes.. and again i assume the |preline or |/var/qmail/bin/preline isn't an issue here...): -------- start cut --------- #!/bin/sh if [ $# = 1 ]; then i=$1 echo Making links to $i... echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post $i" > .qmail-$i echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin $i" > .qmail-$i-admin echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces $i" > .qmail-$i-bounces echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm $i" > .qmail-$i-confirm echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join $i" > .qmail-$i-join echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave $i" > .qmail-$i-leave echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner $i" > .qmail-$i-owner echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request $i" > .qmail-$i-request echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe $i" > .qmail-$i-subscribe echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe $i" > .qmail-$i-unsubscribe fi -------- end of cut ------- I assume this script should be run in /usr/local/vpopmail/domains/domain.com/ in order to have the proper alias files created for the right virtual domain.. Final note: the best i could get from qmail-to-mailman.py was an error message in /var/log/maillog: Feb 2 05:07:16 freaks qmail: 1044158836.094343 delivery 27: failure: TO_ACCESS_THE_MAILING_LIST_SYSTEM:_Start_your_web_browser_on/http://domain.com//That_web_page_will_help_you_subscribe_or_unsubscribe,_and_will/give_you_directions_on_how_to_post_to_each_mailing_list./ That message was bounced 3x times. If you need more infos to troubleshoot my config, please tell me witch, and i'll provide them. ps: please forgive my sloppy syntax and spelling, english is not my main language :/ Feel free to contact me anytime. Regards. df at dune.org From gareth at za.uu.net Sun Feb 2 13:37:18 2003 From: gareth at za.uu.net (Gareth Hopkins) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 14:37:18 +0200 (SAST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting mailman to use the same smtp connection for messages sent to the same domain In-Reply-To: <15930.53753.820522.706200@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20030202143534.U50048-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: BAW> BAW>>>>>> "SW" == Simon White writes: BAW> BAW> SW> Chunking like this means that you're actually sending RCPT TO: BAW> SW> based on TLD, and then only US TLDs, right? So SMTP_MAX_RCPTS BAW> SW> set to 50 could mean several different second level domains in BAW> SW> the same chunk, but for every TLD outside the US there will be BAW> SW> separate sessions for each mail sent? BAW> BAW>Not exactly. All the other tlds get dropped in the same bucket and BAW>the chunks are filled from the buckets. There are at most 4 buckets: BAW> BAW>0 == everything else BAW>1 == .com BAW>2 == .org .net BAW>3 == .edu .us .ca Howdie, Is there any way one can change these settings? Most of mine are .co.za's which is right down there :) --- Gareth Hopkins Server Operations UUNET South Africa (o) +27.21.658.8700 (f) +27.21.658.8552 (m) +27.82.929.6668 http://www.uunet.co.za 08600 UUNET (08600 88638) "The contents of this e-mail and any accompanying documentation is confidential and any use thereof, in whatever form, by anyone other than the addressee for whom it is intended, is strictly prohibited." From company at cd.lvivnet.com Sun Feb 2 22:05:18 2003 From: company at cd.lvivnet.com (Rostyk Ivantsiv) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:05:18 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Language setup problem Message-ID: <31176307396.20030202230518@cd.lvivnet.com> Hello! I have a problem with setting up the language(in my case it's Russian). I can set the Russian language through Language Options for a particular List, but some general admin pages, like http://www.myhost/mailman/admin (it contains the text "Welcome! Below is the collection of publicly-advertised Mailman mailing list...") remain in English. The .po and .mo files appear to have the translation for these parts of text, but how can I set the whole mailman site to be in Russian, not just the lists??? P.S. I tried setting DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'ru' in mm_cfg.py, but it just brought to server error. In README.I18.en it's not described how to implement this. Maybe, you can help? Thanx From df at dune.org Mon Feb 3 00:25:48 2003 From: df at dune.org (df at dune.org) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 00:25:48 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qmail-to-mailman.py qmail vpopmail > bad combo? Message-ID: <00b001c2cb12$6b6b9e20$6901a8c0@arrakis> In my attempts to get qmail-to-mailman.py to work with mailman_2.1/qmail/vpopmail on FreeBSD 4.7_stable.. -All the previous softwares were installed from port tree- --- Note, for further references: domain.com = mydomain ml.domain.com = virtual domain used for mailman host.domain.com = my qmail server ---- After install here is what I do: /var/qmail/bin/maildirmake /usr/local/mailman/Maildir - i use the /var/qmail/boot/home script - cp ../whatever/qmail-to-mailman.py /usr/local/mailman/ vi qmail-to-mailman.py : MailmanHome = "/usr/local/mailman" MailmanOwner = postmaster at mydomain.com vi /usr/local/mailman/.qmail-default |preline /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py touch /usr/local/mailman/.qmail-owner /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms -f (as root) vi /var/qmail/virtualdomains ml.domain.com:mailman - note: the mailman 2.1 port for FreeBSD now loads the ~mailman/cron/crontab.in automaticaly on install.. so i don't install it here - /var/qmail/rc stop /var/qmail/rc start /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start --- That's for the setup, Now comes the testing i created a "testlist" using /usr/local/mailman/bin/newlist .. (received the greeting email on list creation) i edited the list property, adding my email as list moderator. and than emailed testlist at ml.domain.com while watching my /var/log/maillog i noticed the following: the qmail-to-mailman.py seems to grab correctly the incoming testlist at ml.domain.com email, but tryes to forward it to testlist-xxxxx at host.domain.com.. witch doesn't exist. on my client pc, i receive an email from testlist-bounce at ml.domain.com telling me the mail is held for approval. In the same time i also receive a mailer-daemon msg with the field to: testlist-bounce at host.domain.com so my guess is qmail-to-mailman.py gets the mail correctly, but forwards it to the wrong domain ? should'nt it forward the email to testlist-bounce at ml.domain.com and therefore to mailman ? Any help or suggestions are highly welcomed. Regards. df at dune.org From ivanlan at pauahtun.org Mon Feb 3 00:32:08 2003 From: ivanlan at pauahtun.org (Ivan Van Laningham) Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 16:32:08 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing config file References: <3E3CB0C1.6030004@attbi.com> <1044208903.1610.21.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <3E3DAA78.E3EDDA58@pauahtun.org> Hi All-- Jon Carnes wrote: > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that MAILMAN_SITE_LIST in > ~mailman/Mailman/.. referred to a mailing list name. In this case the > mailing list name that is used as the From address for such things as > password reminders. > > The list defaults to "mailman". It's format is simple, simply create a > mailing list called "mailman" (using: ~mailman/bin/newlist mailman). > Then add your email address to the list membership. > I managed to figure that one out the first time that my passwords didn't get sent out, and I even managed to sweet talk it into sending them late. But is the only purpose of the "mailman" list to make sure the passwords go out? Does anyone else get to be on the list, or is it reserved for the elite of one? Metta, Ivan ---------------------------------------------- Ivan Van Laningham God N Locomotive Works http://www.pauahtun.org/ http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Feb 3 01:00:02 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 02 Feb 2003 19:00:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Cron/senddigests In-Reply-To: <54775EF2-3701-11D7-9EF1-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> References: <54775EF2-3701-11D7-9EF1-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> Message-ID: <1044230406.2251.45.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Run a check_db on the offending list and see if the problem lays in the Database for the list... On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 17:54, Dan Phillips wrote: > Any idea where this error is coming from? This error is coming from > only one list; a manual running of senddigests -l on other lists > functions perfectly. /lists/problemlist/digest.mbox appears to be > fine. Any ideas? anyone? what else should I be checking? > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/Users/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ? > > main() > > File "/Users/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main > > mlist.send_digest_now() > > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in > > send_digest_now > > ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) > > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 129, in > > send_digests > > send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 290, in > > send_i18n_digests > > g(msg, unixfrom=0) > > File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 100, in > > flatten > > self._write(msg) > > File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 128, in > > _write > > self._dispatch(msg) > > File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 154, in > > _dispatch > > meth(msg) > > File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 212, in > > _handle_text > > raise TypeError, 'string payload expected: %s' % type(payload) > > TypeError: string payload expected: > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Feb 3 01:05:03 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 02 Feb 2003 19:05:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qmail-to-mailman.py qmail vpopmail > bad combo? In-Reply-To: <00b001c2cb12$6b6b9e20$6901a8c0@arrakis> References: <00b001c2cb12$6b6b9e20$6901a8c0@arrakis> Message-ID: <1044230707.2251.50.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Are you remembering to setup the Virtual domains inside ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py? If Mailman does not see the virtual domain defined in mm_cfg.py then it will only attempt local mailing via the default domain. On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 18:25, df at dune.org wrote: > In my attempts to get qmail-to-mailman.py to work with mailman_2.1/qmail/vpopmail on FreeBSD 4.7_stable.. > -All the previous softwares were installed from port tree- > > --- > Note, for further references: > domain.com = mydomain > ml.domain.com = virtual domain used for mailman > host.domain.com = my qmail server > ---- > > After install here is what I do: > > /var/qmail/bin/maildirmake /usr/local/mailman/Maildir - i use the /var/qmail/boot/home script - > > cp ../whatever/qmail-to-mailman.py /usr/local/mailman/ > > vi qmail-to-mailman.py : > MailmanHome = "/usr/local/mailman" > MailmanOwner = postmaster at mydomain.com > > vi /usr/local/mailman/.qmail-default > |preline /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py > > touch /usr/local/mailman/.qmail-owner > > /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms -f (as root) > > vi /var/qmail/virtualdomains > ml.domain.com:mailman > > - note: the mailman 2.1 port for FreeBSD now loads the ~mailman/cron/crontab.in automaticaly on install.. > so i don't install it here - > > /var/qmail/rc stop > /var/qmail/rc start > /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start > > --- > > That's for the setup, > Now comes the testing > > i created a "testlist" using /usr/local/mailman/bin/newlist .. > (received the greeting email on list creation) > > i edited the list property, adding my email as list moderator. > > and than emailed testlist at ml.domain.com > > while watching my /var/log/maillog i noticed the following: > the qmail-to-mailman.py seems to grab correctly the incoming testlist at ml.domain.com email, but tryes to forward it > to testlist-xxxxx at host.domain.com.. witch doesn't exist. > > on my client pc, i receive an email from testlist-bounce at ml.domain.com telling me the mail is held for approval. > In the same time i also receive a mailer-daemon msg with the field to: testlist-bounce at host.domain.com > > so my guess is qmail-to-mailman.py gets the mail correctly, but forwards it to the wrong domain ? > should'nt it forward the email to testlist-bounce at ml.domain.com and therefore to mailman ? > > > Any help or suggestions are highly welcomed. > > Regards. > > df at dune.org > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From dhphllps at memphis.edu Mon Feb 3 01:06:46 2003 From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 18:06:46 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE;Cron/senddigests bug Message-ID: <6253FB0E-370B-11D7-9EF1-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> Tried that and it reported no problems. The problem definitely seems to be in digest.mbox, although I can't see anything wrong. I renamed it and sent a test message to create a new one, the ran cron/senddigests -l, and it went out fine. when I moved the original mbox back it generated the same error. I also ran bin/cleanarch on it and it reported no problems and the correct number of messages. Where's the best documentation on the structure of an mbox file? thanks! On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 06:00 PM, Jon Carnes wrote: > Run a check_db on the offending list and see if the problem lays in the > Database for the list... > > On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 17:54, Dan Phillips wrote: >> Any idea where this error is coming from? This error is coming from >> only one list; a manual running of senddigests -l on other lists >> functions perfectly. /lists/problemlist/digest.mbox appears to be >> fine. Any ideas? anyone? what else should I be checking? >> >>> Traceback (most recent call last): >>> File "/Users/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ? >>> main() >>> File "/Users/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main >>> mlist.send_digest_now() >>> File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in >>> send_digest_now >>> ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) >>> File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 129, in >>> send_digests >>> send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) >>> File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 290, in >>> send_i18n_digests >>> g(msg, unixfrom=0) >>> File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 100, in >>> flatten >>> self._write(msg) >>> File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 128, in >>> _write >>> self._dispatch(msg) >>> File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 154, in >>> _dispatch >>> meth(msg) >>> File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 212, in >>> _handle_text >>> raise TypeError, 'string payload expected: %s' % type(payload) >>> TypeError: string payload expected: >>> >> From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Feb 3 01:17:13 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 02 Feb 2003 19:17:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing config file In-Reply-To: <3E3DAA78.E3EDDA58@pauahtun.org> References: <3E3CB0C1.6030004@attbi.com> <3E3DAA78.E3EDDA58@pauahtun.org> Message-ID: <1044231437.2251.62.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 18:32, Ivan Van Laningham wrote: > Hi All-- > > Jon Carnes wrote: > > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that MAILMAN_SITE_LIST in > > ~mailman/Mailman/.. referred to a mailing list name. In this case the > > mailing list name that is used as the From address for such things as > > password reminders. > > > > I managed to figure that one out the first time that my passwords didn't > get sent out, and I even managed to sweet talk it into sending them > late. But is the only purpose of the "mailman" list to make sure the > passwords go out? Does anyone else get to be on the list, or is it > reserved for the elite of one? > > Metta, > Ivan Well the purpose of the list is to receive feedback (bounces) from administrative messages (password info) sent out by Mailman. It's purpose will grow as Mailman grows. You can assign any number of addresses to the list. A really big site might have 20 or more folks on the list. At the last place I worked, we would have three people on the list, since three of us managed the lists. Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Feb 3 01:36:08 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 02 Feb 2003 19:36:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE;Cron/senddigests bug In-Reply-To: <6253FB0E-370B-11D7-9EF1-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> References: <6253FB0E-370B-11D7-9EF1-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> Message-ID: <1044232571.2251.72.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> I've had to go into Mbox before and delete a few messages that were gumming up the works. What I normally do is simply look at the last message to be processed and then delete the next message from the Mbox. At that point it normally becomes obvious what the problem with the offending mail message was - its always easier once you know which message it is. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 19:06, Dan Phillips wrote: > Tried that and it reported no problems. The problem definitely seems to > be in digest.mbox, although I can't see anything wrong. I renamed it > and sent a test message to create a new one, the ran cron/senddigests > -l, and it went out fine. when I moved the original mbox back it > generated the same error. I also ran bin/cleanarch on it and it > reported no problems and the correct number of messages. > > Where's the best documentation on the structure of an mbox file? > > thanks! > > > On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 06:00 PM, Jon Carnes wrote: > > > Run a check_db on the offending list and see if the problem lays in the > > Database for the list... > > > > On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 17:54, Dan Phillips wrote: > >> Any idea where this error is coming from? This error is coming from > >> only one list; a manual running of senddigests -l on other lists > >> functions perfectly. /lists/problemlist/digest.mbox appears to be > >> fine. Any ideas? anyone? what else should I be checking? > >> > >>> Traceback (most recent call last): > >>> File "/Users/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ? > >>> main() > >>> File "/Users/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main > >>> mlist.send_digest_now() > >>> File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in > >>> send_digest_now > >>> ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) > >>> File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 129, in > >>> send_digests > >>> send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > >>> File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 290, in > >>> send_i18n_digests > >>> g(msg, unixfrom=0) > >>> File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 100, in > >>> flatten > >>> self._write(msg) > >>> File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 128, in > >>> _write > >>> self._dispatch(msg) > >>> File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 154, in > >>> _dispatch > >>> meth(msg) > >>> File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 212, in > >>> _handle_text > >>> raise TypeError, 'string payload expected: %s' % type(payload) > >>> TypeError: string payload expected: > >>> > >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From dhphllps at memphis.edu Mon Feb 3 01:59:00 2003 From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 18:59:00 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE;Cron/senddigests bug In-Reply-To: <1044232571.2251.72.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: Thanks. I've done that once before, and as you said, the problem was obvious. My difficulty this time is that every message in the box went out just fine as individual emails. There were a couple that were content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable, which on my old system caused multiple problems, and always look bad in the digest, with lines truncated with =20 mid-word, etc. I already removed two of them and retried to send the digest without success. Incidentally, as I mentioned in the first message, I cleaned up the headers within digests by commenting out some lines in /handlers/ToDigest.py, excluding everything but date, to, from and subject. Is that likely to gum up the works somewhere along the line? I suppose that breaks rfc1153 by excluding message-id and keywords, but does that have any effect at all within a digest? dan On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 06:36 PM, Jon Carnes wrote: > I've had to go into Mbox before and delete a few messages that were > gumming up the works. What I normally do is simply look at the last > message to be processed and then delete the next message from the Mbox. > At that point it normally becomes obvious what the problem with the > offending mail message was - its always easier once you know which > message it is. > > Good Luck - Jon Carnes > > On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 19:06, Dan Phillips wrote: >> Tried that and it reported no problems. The problem definitely seems >> to >> be in digest.mbox, although I can't see anything wrong. I renamed it >> and sent a test message to create a new one, the ran cron/senddigests >> -l, and it went out fine. when I moved the original mbox back it >> generated the same error. I also ran bin/cleanarch on it and it >> reported no problems and the correct number of messages. >> >> Where's the best documentation on the structure of an mbox file? >> >> thanks! >> >> >> On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 06:00 PM, Jon Carnes wrote: >> >>> Run a check_db on the offending list and see if the problem lays in >>> the >>> Database for the list... >>> >>> On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 17:54, Dan Phillips wrote: >>>> Any idea where this error is coming from? This error is coming from >>>> only one list; a manual running of senddigests -l on other lists >>>> functions perfectly. /lists/problemlist/digest.mbox appears to be >>>> fine. Any ideas? anyone? what else should I be checking? >>>> >>>>> Traceback (most recent call last): >>>>> File "/Users/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ? >>>>> main() >>>>> File "/Users/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main >>>>> mlist.send_digest_now() >>>>> File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in >>>>> send_digest_now >>>>> ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) >>>>> File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 129, in >>>>> send_digests >>>>> send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) >>>>> File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 290, in >>>>> send_i18n_digests >>>>> g(msg, unixfrom=0) >>>>> File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 100, in >>>>> flatten >>>>> self._write(msg) >>>>> File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 128, in >>>>> _write >>>>> self._dispatch(msg) >>>>> File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 154, in >>>>> _dispatch >>>>> meth(msg) >>>>> File "/Users/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 212, in >>>>> _handle_text >>>>> raise TypeError, 'string payload expected: %s' % type(payload) >>>>> TypeError: string payload expected: >>>>> >>>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> Searchable Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Mon Feb 3 02:23:57 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 10:23:57 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE;Cron/senddigests bug References: Message-ID: <3E3DC4AD.9070005@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Dan, > Incidentally, as I mentioned in the first message, I cleaned up the > headers within digests by commenting out some lines in > /handlers/ToDigest.py, excluding everything but date, to, from and > subject. Is that likely to gum up the works somewhere along the line? I > suppose that breaks rfc1153 by excluding message-id and keywords, but > does that have any effect at all within a digest? Then, its time to upgrade your system to the CVS. These headers are configurable in mm_cfg.py. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From mail at freelock.com Mon Feb 3 02:47:17 2003 From: mail at freelock.com (John Locke) Date: 02 Feb 2003 17:47:17 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Per Virtual domain customizations Message-ID: <1044236836.24574.272.camel@denali.freelock.com> Hello, I've been using Mailman for a while now for a single, low-traffic, low-membership list. I'm now launching a service that's going to use mailman for quite a few more low-traffic, low-membership lists, and I'm trying to set up some customizations for the membership and administrative interfaces. This is going to be fairly tightly integrated with a web site that uses a MySQL database to store a bunch of membership information. So now I've done a bit of digging, and figured out how to modify the templates and mailing list defaults, but there's a couple of things I'm still trying to figure out: 1. I've seen some references to a way of managing users in a SQL database. Is this implemented yet? I haven't been able to find anything explaining how to go about doing it. Since my users are already going to have an entry in a SQL database, I thought it would be great to combine the site password for a user with the mailman password, and make the whole thing less confusing. 2. I can't figure out how to get default text that uses a variable into the list at creation time. I'd like the description to have a specific short sentence that includes the %(real_name)s variable, but I don't know much about Python, and it doesn't seem to work. Can I put this variable in the description text, and have it expand correctly? I have a few other ideas for web sites that might use different default configurations of Mailman. So here's a few questions related to this: 3. Can you customize default information/templates for a single virtual domain? It appears that changing the Mailman/templates/* affects the entire site. Is there a way to have different default templates, based on the virtual host? Probably simpler--what Python syntax would I use to add custom default variables to the mm_cfg.py file, and where would I start to dig to find where the templates are loaded, so I could hack in some conditional path changes? 4. I'm confused about the ADMIN_CATEGORIES variable. I redefined it in mm_cfg.py (to remove some of the categories for list admins--I'm trying to make this whole thing very simple for my users), and it changed the menu site-wide. I'm thinking, if I knew the basic conditional construct for Python, I could just redefine it for specific domains. Is there any function set up to do this already, or something else I should consider before doing so? Guess I'm answering some of my own questions here. I know nothing about Python--maybe I'll go read up on it a bit first. But if somebody could give me an answer for #1, I'd appreciate it, and if there's any short cuts I should look at for the others, it'd be great! I do have virtual domains working just fine, otherwise... Thanks, John Locke http://www.freelock.com Just launched: http://teamcheckin.com ________________________________________________________________________ From chris at moonvine.org Mon Feb 3 03:50:56 2003 From: chris at moonvine.org (Chris Tomlinson) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:50:56 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] script wrapper reports "No such file or directory" Message-ID: <512D2EC5-3722-11D7-A6F1-000393B2AE2A@moonvine.org> I'm trying to install mailman-2.1 on a FreeBSD virtual private server enviroment. I've used --with-cgi-gid, --with-username, --with-groupname, and the DIRSETGID=: and so forth. I've successfully gotten through the check_perms and created the newlist mailman - with the notification message. I'm stuck at the step of creating a list via the web interface. I get the following: Mailman CGI error!!! The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being stored in your syslog: No such file or directory I've checked the FAQ and the searchable mailing list archives. If I try a bogus scriptname like "frobnitz" then I get the expected: Not Found The requested URL /mailman/frobnitz was not found on this server. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks and ciao, Chris From webperson at now.org Mon Feb 3 03:47:55 2003 From: webperson at now.org (NOW Website Coordinator) Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 18:47:55 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Manually marking users as bouncing/bad addresses? In-Reply-To: <1044223868.2251.39.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030202110551.00c28100@now.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20030202110551.00c28100@now.org> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030202184556.00d53100@now.org> My problem is all the ones that Mailman *isn't* knocking off the list, but sending to me as an uncaught bounce notification, or even it's not even going through mailman and just coming right to the list owner. Can I get them to be marked as bad, so that Mailman will then disable them and then write it to the log. If I just unsubscribe them, there's no way to tell that it was because the addresses were bad. At 05:11 PM 02/02/2003 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: >Would it be useful to look at the logs to see the bounces? > >As an example I run a script to look for members who have been knocked >off the list by excessive bouncing... > > MONTH=`date -d"last month" +%b` > > echo $MONTH > grep -hs "disabled " /home/mailman/logs/bounce.1 \ > /home/mailman/logs/bounce | \ > grep -vs "already disabled" | \ > grep -s $MONTH | \ > cut -f6- "-d " |sort > >I also run some similar checks against my MTA logs. > >Good Luck - Jon Carnes > >On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 14:14, NOW Website Coordinator wrote: > > I'd like to come up with a way to deal with the users who are not being > > handled by the bounce processor besides just unsubscribing > > them. Basically, I want to be able to give our membership department a > > list of bad email addresses, which I figure I can somehow get out of the > > bounce log. If I just unsubscribed them, I have no record of whether they > > wanted to be unsubscribed (and maybe couldn't figure it out for > themselves) > > or were a bad address. > > > > But because so many messages bounce to me rather than get processed, I'd > > like to be able to mark them in a way that they then get deleted through > > the bounce processor. > > > > I see the "nomail" field in the membership page. Is there a way I can use > > this? Or is there some other way I can queue people up to be bounced? > > > > By the way, is there any log of people who change their email address? I > > haven't found it. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Feb 3 04:16:57 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 02 Feb 2003 22:16:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Manually marking users as bouncing/bad addresses? In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030202184556.00d53100@now.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030202110551.00c28100@now.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20030202110551.00c28100@now.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20030202184556.00d53100@now.org> Message-ID: <1044242221.1610.127.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Hmmm, your best bet might be to modify your Bounce handlers so that these errant bounces are captured by Mailman. I would be happy to take a whack at the ones it's missing if you want to forward them on. No guarantees, but at least I'll do no harm! The rest of what you want will have to wait until the SQL integration is working... Jon Carnes On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 21:47, NOW Website Coordinator wrote: > My problem is all the ones that Mailman *isn't* knocking off the list, but > sending to me as an uncaught bounce notification, or even it's not even > going through mailman and just coming right to the list owner. > > Can I get them to be marked as bad, so that Mailman will then disable them > and then write it to the log. If I just unsubscribe them, there's no way > to tell that it was because the addresses were bad. > > At 05:11 PM 02/02/2003 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: > >Would it be useful to look at the logs to see the bounces? > > > >As an example I run a script to look for members who have been knocked > >off the list by excessive bouncing... > > > > MONTH=`date -d"last month" +%b` > > > > echo $MONTH > > grep -hs "disabled " /home/mailman/logs/bounce.1 \ > > /home/mailman/logs/bounce | \ > > grep -vs "already disabled" | \ > > grep -s $MONTH | \ > > cut -f6- "-d " |sort > > > >I also run some similar checks against my MTA logs. > > > >Good Luck - Jon Carnes > > > >On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 14:14, NOW Website Coordinator wrote: > > > I'd like to come up with a way to deal with the users who are not being > > > handled by the bounce processor besides just unsubscribing > > > them. Basically, I want to be able to give our membership department a > > > list of bad email addresses, which I figure I can somehow get out of the > > > bounce log. If I just unsubscribed them, I have no record of whether they > > > wanted to be unsubscribed (and maybe couldn't figure it out for > > themselves) > > > or were a bad address. > > > > > > But because so many messages bounce to me rather than get processed, I'd > > > like to be able to mark them in a way that they then get deleted through > > > the bounce processor. > > > > > > I see the "nomail" field in the membership page. Is there a way I can use > > > this? Or is there some other way I can queue people up to be bounced? > > > > > > By the way, is there any log of people who change their email address? I > > > haven't found it. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Feb 3 04:28:22 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 02 Feb 2003 22:28:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] script wrapper reports "No such file or directory" In-Reply-To: <512D2EC5-3722-11D7-A6F1-000393B2AE2A@moonvine.org> References: <512D2EC5-3722-11D7-A6F1-000393B2AE2A@moonvine.org> Message-ID: <1044242906.2251.139.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> I'm guessing that you are using Postfix as the MTA. Have you run ~mailman/bin/genaliases yet? If so, what are the rights on the files: ~mailman/data/aliases ~mailman/data/aliases.db -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 4210 Feb 1 22:52 aliases -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 12288 Feb 1 22:52 aliases.db HtH - Jon Carnes On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 21:50, Chris Tomlinson wrote: > I'm trying to install mailman-2.1 on a FreeBSD virtual private server > enviroment. I've used --with-cgi-gid, --with-username, > --with-groupname, and the DIRSETGID=: and so forth. I've successfully > gotten through the check_perms and created the newlist mailman - with > the notification message. I'm stuck at the step of creating a list via > the web interface. I get the following: > > Mailman CGI error!!! > The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is > being stored in your syslog: > > No such file or directory > > > I've checked the FAQ and the searchable mailing list archives. If I try > a bogus scriptname like "frobnitz" then I get the expected: > > Not Found > The requested URL /mailman/frobnitz was not found on this server. > > Any help will be appreciated. > > Thanks and ciao, > Chris > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From chris at moonvine.org Mon Feb 3 04:35:17 2003 From: chris at moonvine.org (Chris Tomlinson) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:35:17 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] script wrapper reports "No such file or directory" In-Reply-To: <1044242906.2251.139.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <836CD7BA-3728-11D7-A6F1-000393B2AE2A@moonvine.org> Dear Jon, I've got "MTA = 'Manual'", so I don't think that's the problem. Thanks On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 09:28 PM, Jon Carnes wrote: > I'm guessing that you are using Postfix as the MTA. Have you run > ~mailman/bin/genaliases yet? If so, what are the rights on the files: > ~mailman/data/aliases > ~mailman/data/aliases.db > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 4210 Feb 1 22:52 aliases > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 12288 Feb 1 22:52 aliases.db > > HtH - Jon Carnes > > On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 21:50, Chris Tomlinson wrote: >> I'm trying to install mailman-2.1 on a FreeBSD virtual private server >> enviroment. I've used --with-cgi-gid, --with-username, >> --with-groupname, and the DIRSETGID=: and so forth. I've successfully >> gotten through the check_perms and created the newlist mailman - with >> the notification message. I'm stuck at the step of creating a list via >> the web interface. I get the following: >> >> Mailman CGI error!!! >> The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is >> being stored in your syslog: >> >> No such file or directory >> >> >> I've checked the FAQ and the searchable mailing list archives. If I >> try >> a bogus scriptname like "frobnitz" then I get the expected: >> >> Not Found >> The requested URL /mailman/frobnitz was not found on this server. >> >> Any help will be appreciated. >> >> Thanks and ciao, >> Chris >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> Searchable Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Mon Feb 3 05:22:33 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:22:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Welcome Mail and List Mail Text In-Reply-To: <00ab01c2c8ec$08d7e980$a12d28ce@gumby> References: <00ab01c2c8ec$08d7e980$a12d28ce@gumby> Message-ID: <20030203042233.GA31245@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 NetInfo wrote: > How can I go about removing the option/link to post to the mailing list > from the e-mails? I had hoped that disabling that option in your settings > area would automagically remove the option/link on the mails, but it is > still showing up. You didn't say which version of mailman you're using. Since 2.1 speaks many languages, the location of the file you need to edit is slightly different than in 2.0. In Mailman 2.1, you want to edit ~mailman/templates/en/subscribeack.txt and in 2.0, it's just ~mailman/templates/subscribeack.txt (I think, I don't have a 2.0 install handy at the moment). Editing this file will change the message site wide, which sounds like what you want. If, however, you need to edit this file for just one particular list, you would copy subscribeack.txt to ~mailman/lists//en in MM 2.1 and ~mailman/lists/ in MM 2.0. > I would very much appreciate it if you could explain to me how I can > accomplish this in 'layman's terms' as I do not understand 'tech-speak'! I'm not sure if my answer qualifies or not. I assume that if you've gotten mailman installed that you'll know how to move around the file-system and edit text files. ;) HTH, - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Entropy just isn't what it used to be. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+Pe6Juv+09NZUB1oRAg1kAJ0e6LcWJrlZgFhpVbhD5nLKeLKhjACeKtUE 5Isu43Z/5Sf9hbdD737D0JQ= =7vKk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Mon Feb 3 05:35:26 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:35:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password reminder In-Reply-To: <20030202185240.1c5247e4.lists@monkeez.co.uk> References: <20030202185240.1c5247e4.lists@monkeez.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030203043526.GB31245@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Adam wrote: > Does it do it automatically on the first day of the month, or rather a > month after being setup? The default is the first of each month. This is done via cron so you might want to make sure your mailman crontab is setup right. There is also an option, DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS, which you can set to enable or disable password reminders site-wide. If that's been set to 0 or the particular list you admin has password reminders disabled, that could be another possible reason you didn't get a reminder. > Also, is there a way of sending out the reminders manually? I've looked in > the bin dir, but nothing strikes me as being obvious. Once you're looking over your mailman crontab, you'll notice that there's a script in ~mailman/cron called mailpasswds. You can use it to mail out reminders. It takes an optional argument (-l or --listname) that specifies which list to mail reminders for. The default is to mail for all lists. Use --help to get details. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. -- Thomas Jefferson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+PfGOuv+09NZUB1oRAqnLAKCciZvnEki500oVErqJ1wwB1FUD2QCgjekv 9zLI71okjRUwkXCKUcigACg= =gMB4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chuqui at plaidworks.com Mon Feb 3 06:11:24 2003 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:11:24 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1: lotsa language options problems... Message-ID: first of the month, and my password sending errored out again. I've been spending some time debugging. it boiled down to problems with some of the language codecs, the multi-byte languages. So evidently that isn't really fixed on OS X, but I'll deal with that later. debugging this is tough, since there's not a lot of info. I finally figured out that the key error listed here pointed back to a language: [plaidworks:/Users/chuqui] mailman% /usr/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds", line 216, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds", line 200, in main text, poplang) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 198, in __init__ charset = Charset(Utils.GetCharSet(lang)) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 591, in GetCharSet return mm_cfg.LC_DESCRIPTIONS[lang][1] KeyError: ja which I probably should have figured out faster, but what the heck. It'd be a lot easier if I could figure out which list or user record is affected... But in starting to deal with all of this, I ran into other issues. Among others: If you change the set of supported languages for a list, it doesn't update user records. So even if I turn off "japanese" as an option, users already set up to use it get to keep it. Worse, if you look the user up in the membership roles on the admin web site, the web pages report the first language in the list (on my site, czech or german); you have to dump the database to find out they're still set to ja. The system really needs to catch this change and reset their language to the default. and it gets worse. I went into Defaults.py and turned off the languages completely, so they couldn't be turned on again accidentally until I'm sure they're fixed, and: If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 192, in main show_results(mlist, doc, category, subcat, cgidata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 515, in show_results form.AddItem(show_variables(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc)) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 524, in show_variables options = mlist.GetConfigInfo(category, subcat) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 413, in GetConfigInfo value = gui.GetConfigInfo(self, category, subcat) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Gui/Language.py", line 42, in GetConfigInfo langnames = [_(Utils.GetLanguageDescr(L)) for L in langs] File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 587, in GetLanguageDescr return mm_cfg.LC_DESCRIPTIONS[lang][0] KeyError: big5 bang. a list still configured for big5 is now dead... I can't get into the admin pages at all for that list. Off to unedit defaults, restart, and clean up the hard way... Basic summary: the code surrounding languages is intolerant of errors or changes. If there's a problem, it dies (in general, while it needs to flag this to the admin, I'd argue it ought to fallback to the list default and continue, not core dump). If things change so a user's choice isn't there, it shouldn't cause errors, it should regress gracefully to the list default -- not show random values and coredump cron jobs... (FWIW, anyone who has list-admin capabilities can shut down large parts of a mailman site by turning on a language, setting a language value for a subscription, and turn it off again. That's a security problem unless you trust all your admins). and if the underlying defaults change, the systme can really break. all of this code assumes nothing is ever turned off or taken away. If it does, really bad things happen... -- Chuq Von Rospach, Architech chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/ From bob at nleaudio.com Mon Feb 3 06:42:22 2003 From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 00:42:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Digest Topic Lists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030203054222.M94137@nleaudio.com> Hi Paul, It looks fine if you only have a few messages, but gets hard to scan through when you have 50+ messages per digest. MM 2.0.x's lists were very nice. Bob ------ Original Message -------- From: Paul H Byerly Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Digest Topic Lists Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 13:44:08 -0600 To: mailman-users at python.org Bob wrote: >Hi Barry and Gang, > >We're getting closer with the Digest Topic list! It looks better per line, Yes it does, thanks. >except now there is an extra blank line between each entry, as demonstarted by >this latest one: Funny, I like it better that way. Can't make everyone happy at once! <>< Paul ------- End of Original Message ------- From jokech at ke.uu.net Mon Feb 3 08:28:22 2003 From: jokech at ke.uu.net (Joseph Okech) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 10:28:22 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] config.db missing Message-ID: <20030203102822.04358a7c.jokech@ke.uu.net> Hi All, Have a situation where in the lists' folder the file 'config.db' and config.db.last' are missing. I get this when I run the check_db command, and I get a bounce whenever I send mail to the list. su-2.05a$ check_db -av List: mailman /usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck: okay /usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck.last: okay [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.db' [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.db.last' List: testlist /usr/local/mailman/lists/testlist/config.pck: okay /usr/local/mailman/lists/testlist/config.pck.last: okay [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/testlist/config.db' [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/testlist/config.db.last' Currently running Mailman 2.1 on FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE-p9 regards, -- Joe, From wash at wananchi.com Mon Feb 3 08:38:59 2003 From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 10:38:59 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] config.db missing In-Reply-To: <20030203102822.04358a7c.jokech@ke.uu.net> References: <20030203102822.04358a7c.jokech@ke.uu.net> Message-ID: <20030203073859.GP19254@ns2.wananchi.com> * Joseph Okech [20030203 10:28]: wrote: > Hi All, > > Have a situation where in the lists' folder the file 'config.db' and config.db.last' are missing. I get this when I run the check_db command, and I get a bounce whenever I send mail to the list. > > su-2.05a$ check_db -av > List: mailman > /usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck: okay > /usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck.last: okay > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.db' > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.db.last' > List: testlist > /usr/local/mailman/lists/testlist/config.pck: okay > /usr/local/mailman/lists/testlist/config.pck.last: okay > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/testlist/config.db' > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/testlist/config.db.last' > > > Currently running Mailman 2.1 on FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE-p9 Hello Joe, This output is actually harmless. It's not the cause of your problem. If you read the code for check_db, you will see the following remarks: [....] """Check a list's config database file for integrity. All of the following files are checked: config.pck config.pck.last config.db config.db.last config.safety It's okay if any of these are missing. config.pck and config.pck.last are pickled versions of the config database file for 2.1a3 and beyond. config.db and config.db.last are used in all earlier versions, and these are Python marshals. config.safety is a pickle written by 2.1a3 and beyond when the primary config.pck file could not be read. [....] So as you can see, the check for config.db and config.db.last is really cosmetic! If you send the bounce message you get when you send e-mail to the list, maybe it will give more clues. cheers - wash +----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE) | http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/ . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St., | GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI | +---------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post From simon at mtds.com Mon Feb 3 09:26:40 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 08:26:40 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm.cfg.MAILMAN_SITE_LIST In-Reply-To: <3E3BBC41.5020608@attbi.com> References: <3E3BBC41.5020608@attbi.com> Message-ID: <20030203082640.GA11145@mtds.com> 01-Feb-03 at 07:23, Jim LaSalle (jjlasalle at attbi.com) wrote : > I recently installed Mailman at our school. It is fantastic. Thank you > very much for a fine software package. > > This morning I receive and email saying "Site list is missing: mailman" > > Picking through the /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswords script I see a > mm.cfg.MAILMAN_SITE_LIST is required. What are the contents and layout > of this file? Where should it be located? > > I checked your web site for help on this but came up dry. Where is the > documentation with this type of detail. I only just saw your mail, and this one was before it in my mailbox, but your mail date suggests you might have already seen it, but maybe your mail date is wrong / the email was sent some time is was composed. Excuses to the list if you've all already seen this, copied from a previous post: At 03:58 AM 2/1/2003, Matt Brown wrote: >On Saturday 01 February 2003 04:18 pm, Larry Hansford wrote: >> However, the end-of-month cron job mailpasswds did not run. >> >> The subject of the message is: >> >> Cron /usr/local/bin/python -S >> /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds >> >> And, the body of the message is: >> >> Site list is missing: mailman > >With 2.1 you need to create a "site-wide" mailing list called >"mailman". >From >the INSTALL file: > > - Create a "site-wide" mailing list. This is the one that > password reminders will appear to come from. Usually this > should be the "mailman" mailing list, but if you need to change > this, be sure to change the MAILMAN_SITE_LIST variable in > mm_cfg.py (see below). > > % bin/newlist mailman > > Follow the prompts, and see the README file for more > information. > > - You should then subscribe yourself to the mailman list. -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From jokech at ke.uu.net Mon Feb 3 10:32:04 2003 From: jokech at ke.uu.net (Joseph Okech) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 12:32:04 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] config.db missing In-Reply-To: <20030203073859.GP19254@ns2.wananchi.com> References: <20030203102822.04358a7c.jokech@ke.uu.net> <20030203073859.GP19254@ns2.wananchi.com> Message-ID: <20030203123204.09c717f4.jokech@ke.uu.net> Thanks for the advice, I figured out the problem. The Exim configuration file (directors) were pointing to 'config.db' while this did not exist. I changed this to point to 'config.pck'. Shouldnt we have a not somewhere on the HOWTO detailing this problem? especially for Mailma2.1 newbeez like me :-) regards, Joe On Mon, 3 Feb 2003 10:38:59 +0300 Odhiambo Washington wrote: > * Joseph Okech [20030203 10:28]: wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Have a situation where in the lists' folder the file 'config.db' and config.db.last' are missing. I get this when I run the check_db command, and I get a bounce whenever I send mail to the list. > > > > su-2.05a$ check_db -av > > List: mailman > > /usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck: okay > > /usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck.last: okay > > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.db' > > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.db.last' > > List: testlist > > /usr/local/mailman/lists/testlist/config.pck: okay > > /usr/local/mailman/lists/testlist/config.pck.last: okay > > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/testlist/config.db' > > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/testlist/config.db.last' > > > > > > Currently running Mailman 2.1 on FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE-p9 > > > Hello Joe, > > This output is actually harmless. It's not the cause of your problem. If you > read the code for check_db, you will see the following remarks: > > [....] > > """Check a list's config database file for integrity. > > All of the following files are checked: > > config.pck > config.pck.last > config.db > config.db.last > config.safety > > It's okay if any of these are missing. config.pck and config.pck.last are > pickled versions of the config database file for 2.1a3 and beyond. config.db > and config.db.last are used in all earlier versions, and these are Python > marshals. config.safety is a pickle written by 2.1a3 and beyond when the > primary config.pck file could not be read. > [....] > > So as you can see, the check for config.db and config.db.last is really cosmetic! > > > If you send the bounce message you get when you send e-mail to the list, maybe > it will give more clues. > > > > > cheers > - wash > +----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ > Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE) | > http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/ . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St., | > GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI | > +---------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ > "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" > --from a /. post > From dinouk at orange.net Mon Feb 3 11:10:08 2003 From: dinouk at orange.net (dino) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 10:10:08 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Initial Setup Issues Message-ID: <000401c2cb6c$702562c0$744c4ed5@roswell> Hi Guys, Great product and good list, but... I had some issues installing 2.1 so on advice from ISP installed the last stable release before that 2.0.13. Everything works fine during the setup stage and I can create the list properly with no issues, and the adding of aliases seems to go OK too. Once done I can view my list from the web and everything. However, if a user goes to the web to subscribe they do get the initial subscribe message, but replying to that doesn't generate the final confirmationation email. Rather, I, as list admin, seem to get a copy of their confirmation, and no user is created. But, manually adding subscribers from the web myself seems to work fine. Any ideas? Cheers Dino From gareth at uunet.co.za Mon Feb 3 14:22:03 2003 From: gareth at uunet.co.za (Gareth Hopkins) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:22:03 +0200 (SAST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] What is python doing? Message-ID: <20030203151936.N58563-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> Howdie, What is the python process doing here? Just got 5 messages in the space of about 10 seconds to the same list on the machine. The list has about 15 recipients all in the same domain. A top shows last pid: 24442; load averages: 0.99, 0.87, 0.73 up 9+22:18:18 15:19:30 91 processes: 2 running, 89 sleeping CPU states: 97.7% user, 0.0% nice, 2.3% system, 0.0% interrupt, 0.0% idle Mem: 100M Active, 85M Inact, 43M Wired, 10M Cache, 35M Buf, 11M Free Swap: 512M Total, 96K Used, 512M Free PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND 24306 mailman 61 0 30280K 29444K RUN 9:00 97.61% 97.61% python2.2 24442 root 29 0 2024K 1076K RUN 0:00 15.00% 0.73% top --- Gareth Hopkins Server Operations UUNET South Africa (o) +27.21.658.8700 (f) +27.21.658.8552 (m) +27.82.929.6668 http://www.uunet.co.za 08600 UUNET (08600 88638) "The contents of this e-mail and any accompanying documentation is confidential and any use thereof, in whatever form, by anyone other than the addressee for whom it is intended, is strictly prohibited." From moussaf at enda.sn Mon Feb 3 14:58:31 2003 From: moussaf at enda.sn (Moussa Fall) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 13:58:31 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending out messages Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20030203135420.00a131f0@enda.sn> Hi, I have been using mailman for a while now in our server without any problem. It stops sending out mail without any reason. I am using sendmail. I deleted the mail queue and the qfiles in mailman and got no success up to now. Any clue? Many thanxs. moussa From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Feb 3 15:20:24 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 03 Feb 2003 09:20:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Initial Setup Issues In-Reply-To: <000401c2cb6c$702562c0$744c4ed5@roswell> References: <000401c2cb6c$702562c0$744c4ed5@roswell> Message-ID: <1044282032.2250.3.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Check the aliases that you created and make sure that they are pointing to mailman post scripts (with your list name as one of the inputs). Also take a look at the steps in FAQ 3.14. This was written specifically to help new installers of Mailman v2.0.13 who are having problems getting mail to go to the lists. Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 05:10, dino wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Great product and good list, but... > > I had some issues installing 2.1 so on advice from ISP installed the > last stable release before that 2.0.13. > > Everything works fine during the setup stage and I can create the list > properly with no issues, and the adding of aliases seems to go OK too. > Once done I can view my list from the web and everything. > > However, if a user goes to the web to subscribe they do get the initial > subscribe message, but replying to that doesn't generate the final > confirmationation email. Rather, I, as list admin, seem to get a copy of > their confirmation, and no user is created. > > But, manually adding subscribers from the web myself seems to work fine. > > Any ideas? > > Cheers > > Dino > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Feb 3 15:23:57 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 03 Feb 2003 09:23:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] What is python doing? In-Reply-To: <20030203151936.N58563-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> References: <20030203151936.N58563-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> Message-ID: <1044282241.1638.7.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Some guesses (since no information was provided): Mailman 2.0.x IDE disk subsystem Archiving turned on for list If that is the case, then Mailman is doing a lot of writing to the disk. On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 08:22, Gareth Hopkins wrote: > Howdie, > > What is the python process doing here? > > Just got 5 messages in the space of about 10 seconds to the same > list on the machine. The list has about 15 recipients all in the same > domain. > > A top shows > > last pid: 24442; load averages: 0.99, 0.87, 0.73 up 9+22:18:18 15:19:30 > 91 processes: 2 running, 89 sleeping > CPU states: 97.7% user, 0.0% nice, 2.3% system, 0.0% interrupt, 0.0% idle > Mem: 100M Active, 85M Inact, 43M Wired, 10M Cache, 35M Buf, 11M Free > Swap: 512M Total, 96K Used, 512M Free > > PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND > 24306 mailman 61 0 30280K 29444K RUN 9:00 97.61% 97.61% python2.2 > 24442 root 29 0 2024K 1076K RUN 0:00 15.00% 0.73% top > > --- > Gareth Hopkins > Server Operations > UUNET South Africa > (o) +27.21.658.8700 > (f) +27.21.658.8552 > (m) +27.82.929.6668 > http://www.uunet.co.za > 08600 UUNET (08600 88638) > > "The contents of this e-mail and any accompanying documentation is > confidential and any use thereof, in whatever form, by anyone other > than the addressee for whom it is intended, is strictly prohibited." > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Feb 3 15:25:00 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 03 Feb 2003 09:25:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending out messages In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20030203135420.00a131f0@enda.sn> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20030203135420.00a131f0@enda.sn> Message-ID: <1044282301.2250.9.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Version 2.0.x? Make sure your cron is still running. Look at FAQ: 3.14 On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 08:58, Moussa Fall wrote: > Hi, > > I have been using mailman for a while now in our server without any > problem. It stops sending out mail without any reason. I am using sendmail. > > I deleted the mail queue and the qfiles in mailman and got no success up to > now. > > Any clue? > > Many thanxs. > > moussa > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From gareth at uunet.co.za Mon Feb 3 16:08:07 2003 From: gareth at uunet.co.za (Gareth Hopkins) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 17:08:07 +0200 (SAST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] What is python doing? In-Reply-To: <1044282241.1638.7.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030203170627.I58563-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> On 3 Feb 2003, Jon Carnes wrote: JC>Some guesses (since no information was provided): JC> Mailman 2.0.x JC> IDE disk subsystem JC> Archiving turned on for list JC> JC>If that is the case, then Mailman is doing a lot of writing to the disk. Howdie, Ah yes, a little info that may have helped. Mailman is version 2.1 I am running an IDE Mirror. The disks seem pretty quick doing around 30 Meg a second. [root] /archives # dd if=/dev/zero of=foo bs=1024k count=100 100+0 records in 100+0 records out 104857600 bytes transferred in 3.218110 secs (32583596 bytes/sec) and archiving is turned on on all the lists. --- Gareth Hopkins Server Operations UUNET South Africa (o) +27.21.658.8700 (f) +27.21.658.8552 (m) +27.82.929.6668 http://www.uunet.co.za 08600 UUNET (08600 88638) "The contents of this e-mail and any accompanying documentation is confidential and any use thereof, in whatever form, by anyone other than the addressee for whom it is intended, is strictly prohibited." From gsiegfried at wsipc.org Mon Feb 3 16:20:54 2003 From: gsiegfried at wsipc.org (Gregg Siegfried) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 07:20:54 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 / ssl / admin Message-ID: <9A72CA511618D4119E300008C78C823A0357F441@dilbert.wsipc.org> I have 2.1 installed on OSX 10.2.3 with apache 1.3.27. I am using redirect directives to ensure all mailman-related web requests use SSL. I have noticed that I cannot process pending administrative requests - no matter what I choose (defer, approve, etc.) the request remains, and the radio button goes back to the default (defer) after I submit. By turning SSL off, requests can be processed as expected. I am using the same ssl redirection on a 2.0.10 server, and have had no such problems. All other elements of using and managing the server appear fine, as do any other web-based interactions.. It seems that this handling of administrative requests is the only malfunctioning area. There does seem to be some http urls coded into that page, as once I submit the request, I get a number of the "you are now entering a secure page.." dialogs. Advice appreciated, Gregg Siegfried gsiegfried at wsipc.org From diablo at iasi.roedu.net Mon Feb 3 16:38:46 2003 From: diablo at iasi.roedu.net (SUBREDU Manuel) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 17:38:46 +0200 (EET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] auth bug Message-ID: Hy, I'm using mailman 2.0.13 on a RedHat 8.0 linux box. Today I've discovered a bug in authentification on administrative interface. For instance, suppose that I have for a list, the password "1234", and when mailman is asking me for a password, I give him 123456789 he shouldn't let me go further because the password is wrong. But this is not happening. Mailman is letting me in without a problem. Did someone have the same problem as me ? Is there a fix for fix ? From khera at kcilink.com Mon Feb 3 16:47:34 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 10:47:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 / ssl / admin In-Reply-To: <9A72CA511618D4119E300008C78C823A0357F441@dilbert.wsipc.org> References: <9A72CA511618D4119E300008C78C823A0357F441@dilbert.wsipc.org> Message-ID: <15934.36630.835678.516772@onceler.kciLink.com> >>>>> "GS" == Gregg Siegfried writes: GS> By turning SSL off, requests can be processed as expected. If you redirect a POST using mod_redirect, you lose the data. The workaround is to capture the POST data from the original request, convert it to a GET and redirect to that. But then if you're sending the first request in the clear, what exactly do you gain by redirecting to SSL after all the info just went by cleartext? You need to fix it up so that the page is submitted *directly* to the SSL secured URL. GS> I am using the same ssl redirection on a 2.0.10 server, and have had no GS> such problems. Perhaps is used a GET on the form? From delilah at seyyav.pair.com Mon Feb 3 17:11:29 2003 From: delilah at seyyav.pair.com (delilah at seyyav.pair.com) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 11:11:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] listadmin-addr In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, In the mailpasswds script the variables used for 'hostname', 'useraddr', 'exreq', and 'owner' are listed as: 'hostname': host, 'useraddr': addr, 'exreq' : r, 'owner' : mailman_owner, What is the variable name used for listadmin-addr? I've looked everyplace that I can think of and can't find it. I'd like to replace the mailman_owner address used in the cronpass.txt to the listadmin-addr address. Thank you, Sean From chris at moonvine.org Mon Feb 3 17:42:32 2003 From: chris at moonvine.org (Chris Tomlinson) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 10:42:32 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 FreeBSD cgi setup problem Message-ID: <7D792669-3796-11D7-A6F1-000393B2AE2A@moonvine.org> I'm trying to run Mailman 2.1 on a FreeBSD 4.4 virtual private server installation and have encountered a cgi related setup problem. I configured using --with-cgi-gid, --with-username, --with-groupname, --with-mail-gid and did the make with DIRSETGID=: I ran check_perms until no problems. I updated mm_cfg.py, httpd.conf for ScriptAlias and so forth and am using "MTA = 'Manual'". I created the newlist mailman and got the email notification of success. My problem comes when I try to access any of the scripts (in particular 'create' and 'listinfo' and 'admin') in /cgi-bin. I get the following response: Mailman CGI error!!! The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being stored in your syslog: No such file or directory I assume a permissions error somewhere but I'm unfamiliar with the internals of Mailman - I've happily used Mailman 2.0.6 on Linux but this is my first experience with 2.1 and FreeBSD. Any help will be appreciated. ciao, Chris From kmastin at beechtree.ca Mon Feb 3 19:38:44 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:38:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] squirrelmail sends mailman message as attachment In-Reply-To: <3E3E95D2.3070906@mitre.org> Message-ID: >Keith, > >Just a quick note. You didn't specify when or if you stopped >'mailmanctl' and restarted it. It is safer to stop it, run make >install, then start it again. And this list is full of mentions of >certain kinds of changes not taking affect until it is restarted. > >Just another newbie's guess. > >Hope it helps. Hi John, Yes, I did the stop/start thing. The text still shows up as attachments. I'm afraid if I can't find a fix I'll have to look at another solution. Thanks >Keith Mastin wrote: >> >> Thanks for the link. I just applied the patch and ran a test from galeon >> with the same results (text only in attachment). I did not, however, >> uninstall mailman, just ran make install right over top of the original. >> Does this make a difference? (I have zero experience with patching.) > From dinouk at orange.net Mon Feb 3 19:31:44 2003 From: dinouk at orange.net (dino) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 18:31:44 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Initial Setup Issues In-Reply-To: <1044282032.2250.3.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <000901c2cbb2$82652880$964f4ed5@roswell> Well everything seems to be OK, however here are the contents of my /home/mailman/logs/subscribe file Feb 03 18:13:31 2003 (16112) chico: pending testuser1 at dino.me.uk 213.78.79.150 Feb 03 18:15:07 2003 (16423) chico: pending dinouk at orange.net 213.78.79.150 Feb 03 18:16:14 2003 (16755) chico: new kljlkj at dino.me.uk Feb 03 18:28:52 2003 (17982) chico: pending testuser2 at dino.me.uk 213.78.79.150 User kljlkj at dino.me.uk is the one that I added manually via the web interface, the others I subbed via the user page. It looks like user requests are being held for some reason if they are submitted by potential users, but getting thru if me as the admin submits them... Argh! Again any help would be gratefully received! Dino -----Original Message----- From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] Sent: 03 February 2003 14:20 To: dinouk at orange.net Cc: Mailman users Mailing list Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Initial Setup Issues Check the aliases that you created and make sure that they are pointing to mailman post scripts (with your list name as one of the inputs). Also take a look at the steps in FAQ 3.14. This was written specifically to help new installers of Mailman v2.0.13 who are having problems getting mail to go to the lists. Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 05:10, dino wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Great product and good list, but... > > I had some issues installing 2.1 so on advice from ISP installed the > last stable release before that 2.0.13. > > Everything works fine during the setup stage and I can create the list > properly with no issues, and the adding of aliases seems to go OK too. > Once done I can view my list from the web and everything. > > However, if a user goes to the web to subscribe they do get the > initial subscribe message, but replying to that doesn't generate the > final confirmationation email. Rather, I, as list admin, seem to get a > copy of their confirmation, and no user is created. > > But, manually adding subscribers from the web myself seems to work > fine. > > Any ideas? > > Cheers > > Dino > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From chris at lifeforce.de Mon Feb 3 19:42:40 2003 From: chris at lifeforce.de (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 19:42:40 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] htaccess-Restriction does not work References: <20030202185240.1c5247e4.lists@monkeez.co.uk> <008e01c2caef$a41aa7c0$025ca8c0@lf> Message-ID: <000801c2cbb4$09288f00$025ca8c0@lf> hi ! i want to have a .htaccess file for the archive and for the page to subscribe... i don't want to disallow an ip... (no directory-directive wanted in httpd) but where do i have to place this htaccess file??? i have tried in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/ and /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ but without any success ... i am using mailman 2.0.13 any ideas? thanks for any help in advance From scott at blast.com Mon Feb 3 19:26:59 2003 From: scott at blast.com (Scott R. Every) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 13:26:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] squirrelmail sends mailman message as attachment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2147483647.1044278818@[10.1.120.1]> done in 5 s --On Monday, February 3, 2003 1:38 PM -0500 Keith Mastin wrote: >> Keith, >> >> Just a quick note. You didn't specify when or if you stopped >> 'mailmanctl' and restarted it. It is safer to stop it, run make >> install, then start it again. And this list is full of mentions of >> certain kinds of changes not taking affect until it is restarted. >> >> Just another newbie's guess. >> >> Hope it helps. > > Hi John, > > Yes, I did the stop/start thing. The text still shows up as attachments. > I'm afraid if I can't find a fix I'll have to look at another solution. > > Thanks > >> Keith Mastin wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for the link. I just applied the patch and ran a test from >>> galeon with the same results (text only in attachment). I did not, >>> however, uninstall mailman, just ran make install right over top of >>> the original. Does this make a difference? (I have zero experience >>> with patching.) >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: scott at blast.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/scott%40blast.com From friedrich28 at gmx.de Mon Feb 3 23:52:11 2003 From: friedrich28 at gmx.de (friedrich28 at gmx.de) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:52:11 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM doesn't send mail Message-ID: <3E3F00AB.32026.3350599@localhost> Hi there, it seems that my mailman installation does not send out mail. I have installed Postfix as MTA on a MacOS X Server. When I create a list, I get the message that the list owner had been notified of its creation by mail. But nothing shows up in the mail.log file, and the mail never arrives. Posting to a list doesn't work either. Postfix itself can send mail, at least by logging in through telnet 25 on localhost. How can I test interaction between mailman and postfix? The Mailman error log doesn't give any hints. Thanks Friedrich From tmaddox at thereinc.com Tue Feb 4 01:08:38 2003 From: tmaddox at thereinc.com (Tom Maddox) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 16:08:38 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling VERP Message-ID: So, is it possible to disable the VERP functionality in some fashion? My users would prefer to have regular From: and Reply-to: headers, not the irritating VERP ones. I'm hesitant to make changes to the VERP_FORMAT and VERP_REGEXP lines in mm_cfg.py without knowing precisely what effect doing so will have, plus I'm not entirely sure that those are the lines I should be changing. TIA, Tom Tom Maddox, BOFH, SCSA, MCSE (it hurts!) There, Inc. From kmastin at beechtree.ca Tue Feb 4 01:37:20 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 19:37:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM doesn't send mail In-Reply-To: <3E3F00AB.32026.3350599@localhost> Message-ID: >Hi there, > >it seems that my mailman installation does not send out mail. I have >installed Postfix as MTA on a MacOS X Server. > >When I create a list, I get the message that the list owner had been >notified of its creation by mail. But nothing shows up in the mail.log file, >and the mail never arrives. Posting to a list doesn't work either. Postfix >itself can send mail, at least by logging in through telnet 25 on >localhost. > >How can I test interaction between mailman and postfix? The Mailman >error log doesn't give any hints. > >Thanks >Friedrich Read the README.POSTFIX file From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Feb 4 01:36:58 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 03 Feb 2003 19:36:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Initial Setup Issues In-Reply-To: <000901c2cbb2$82652880$964f4ed5@roswell> References: <000901c2cbb2$82652880$964f4ed5@roswell> Message-ID: <1044319023.2653.19.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Not to be too obtuse but what happens when you look at the admindb web-page for the list? Are the subscribes waiting there to be confirmed? What subscribe settings in the admin web-pages? On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 13:31, dino wrote: > Well everything seems to be OK, however here are the contents of my > /home/mailman/logs/subscribe file > > Feb 03 18:13:31 2003 (16112) chico: pending testuser1 at dino.me.uk > 213.78.79.150 > Feb 03 18:15:07 2003 (16423) chico: pending dinouk at orange.net > 213.78.79.150 > Feb 03 18:16:14 2003 (16755) chico: new kljlkj at dino.me.uk > Feb 03 18:28:52 2003 (17982) chico: pending testuser2 at dino.me.uk > 213.78.79.150 > > User kljlkj at dino.me.uk is the one that I added manually via the web > interface, the others I subbed via the user page. > > It looks like user requests are being held for some reason if they are > submitted by potential users, but getting thru if me as the admin > submits them... > > Argh! > > Again any help would be gratefully received! > > Dino > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] > Sent: 03 February 2003 14:20 > To: dinouk at orange.net > Cc: Mailman users Mailing list > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Initial Setup Issues > > > Check the aliases that you created and make sure that they are pointing > to mailman post scripts (with your list name as one of the inputs). > > Also take a look at the steps in FAQ 3.14. This was written > specifically to help new installers of Mailman v2.0.13 who are having > problems getting mail to go to the lists. > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > Jon Carnes > > On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 05:10, dino wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > > > Great product and good list, but... > > > > I had some issues installing 2.1 so on advice from ISP installed the > > last stable release before that 2.0.13. > > > > Everything works fine during the setup stage and I can create the list > > > properly with no issues, and the adding of aliases seems to go OK too. > > > Once done I can view my list from the web and everything. > > > > However, if a user goes to the web to subscribe they do get the > > initial subscribe message, but replying to that doesn't generate the > > final confirmationation email. Rather, I, as list admin, seem to get a > > > copy of their confirmation, and no user is created. > > > > But, manually adding subscribers from the web myself seems to work > > fine. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Cheers > > > > Dino > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From cradle at umd.edu Tue Feb 4 01:53:52 2003 From: cradle at umd.edu (David Eisner) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 19:53:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Bug in CVS Scrubber.py Message-ID: I checked out the latest sources from CVS this afternoon and discovered the following bug in Scrubber.py ( I think ). I. PROBLEM If I send a message with an attachment to a list from Outlook (XP), the pipermail archived version of the message is missing the content of the message, although the attahcment is there. Here's an example: --snip-- Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: test.doc Type: application/msword Size: 23040 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://calcetalk.umd.edu/pipermail/test/attachments/20030203/fb37e2d4/test-0001.doc --snip-- If, however, I send a message without an attachment, it works correctly: --snip-- This is Test 6, from Outlook, with no attachment. -David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://calcetalk.umd.edu/pipermail/test/attachments/20030203/1d720250/attachment.htm --snip-- II. ANALYSIS I poked around Scrubber.py and added some syslog statements. The problem is occuring in the process() method. a. The structure of an Outlook message with an attachment looks like this: multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain text/html application/msword Here's are the result of the syslog statements I put in process(): Feb 03 20:48:01 2003 (32291) Processing message part multipart/mixed Feb 03 20:48:01 2003 (32291) Processing message part multipart/alternative Feb 03 20:48:01 2003 (32291) Processing message part text/plain Feb 03 20:48:01 2003 (32291) Processing message part text/html Feb 03 20:48:01 2003 (32291) Processing message part application/msword Feb 03 20:48:01 2003 (32291) Out of for loop, final sanitizing Feb 03 20:48:01 2003 (32291) Processing payload part multipart/alternative Feb 03 20:48:01 2003 (32291) continuing Feb 03 20:48:01 2003 (32291) Processing payload part text/plain In the final sanitizing, the text/plain and text/html subparts within the multipart/alternatvie are lost. The last text/plain part is what was the word attachment, before it was scrubbed. b. The structure of an Outlook message with no attachment looks like this: multipart/alternative text/plain text/html The syslog statements: Feb 03 20:48:59 2003 (32291) Processing message part multipart/alternative Feb 03 20:48:59 2003 (32291) Processing message part text/plain Feb 03 20:48:59 2003 (32291) Processing message part text/html Feb 03 20:48:59 2003 (32291) Out of for loop, final sanitizing Feb 03 20:48:59 2003 (32291) Processing payload part text/plain Feb 03 20:48:59 2003 (32291) Processing payload part text/plain In this case, there's no problem, because the text/plain and text/html subparts are returned directly by msg.get_payload(). In part a., the first thing returned by msg.get_payload() is the multipart/alternative part, which is skipped since it's not 'text/plain'. -David ------------------------+--------------------------+ David Eisner | E-mail: cradle at umd.edu | CALCE EPSC | Phone: 301-405-5341 | University of Maryland | Fax: 301-314-9269 | ------------------------+--------------------------+ From khera at kcilink.com Tue Feb 4 02:31:28 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 20:31:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM doesn't send mail In-Reply-To: <3E3F00AB.32026.3350599@localhost> References: <3E3F00AB.32026.3350599@localhost> Message-ID: <15935.6128.275273.178536@yertle.kciLink.com> >>>>> "f" == friedrich writes: f> When I create a list, I get the message that the list owner had been f> notified of its creation by mail. But nothing shows up in the mail.log file, f> and the mail never arrives. Posting to a list doesn't work either. Postfix Did you start the queue runner process with mailmanctl? Sounds like you did not. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera at kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-240-453-8497 AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com Tue Feb 4 02:31:10 2003 From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 20:31:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personalization Options In-Reply-To: <1044161573.1619.25.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030201192910.05841a20@64.65.196.198> <5.2.0.9.2.20030201192910.05841a20@64.65.196.198> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030203202835.02850070@192.168.0.3> Thanks so much for the info! That is just what I needed to get my lists more personalized. Larry At 11:52 PM 2/1/2003, Jon Carnes wrote: >This is from the archives... A message from Sheryl Coe: > >Here's my own humble how-to, assembled shamelessly from previous posts >to this Mailman list. > ><#> WHAT PERSONALIZATION LOOKS LIKE > > > This personalization example is from this Mailman list (urls are not >real, do not click): >This message was sent to: test8 at subscriber.net >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/test8%40subscriber.net > > This is what I recommend (urls are not real, do not click): >_______________________________________________ >GENERAL LIST INFORMATION: > >The TEST mailing list >TEST at lists.listsdomain.net >http://www.listdomain.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/test >_______________________________________________ >YOUR PERSONAL SUBSCRIBER OPTIONS: > >Unsubscribe or choose new options at >http://www.listdomain.net/mailman/options.cgi/test/test8%40subscriber.net > >For all lists you are subscribed to at > lists.listdomain.net >under the email address > test8 at subscriber.net >your current password is > notarealpass >_______________________________________________ ><#> CHANGES YOU MAKE TO THE mm_cfg.py FILE > >I pasted the lines below to make personalization possible. > From the FAQ: Q. Can I put the user's address in the footer that >Mailman adds to each message? >A. Yes, in Mailman 2.1. The site admin needs to enable personalization >by setting the following variables in the mm_cfg.py file > >VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = 1 VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = 1 >VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = 1 >If you want to give the power to your list owners: >OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = 1 ><#> HOW TO SET UP PERSONALIZATION FOR LIST ADMINS > >It's all done in the NON-DIGEST OPTIONS screen: > ><#><#>Go to the option for "Should Mailman personalize each non-digest >delivery?" > >"Select No to disable personalization and send messages to the members >in batches. Select Yes to personalize deliveries and allow additional >substitution variables in message headers and footers (see below). In >addition, by selecting Full Personalization, the To header of posted >messages will be modified to include the member's address instead of the >list's posting address. " > ><#><#>Go to the option for "Footer added to mail sent to regular list >members." > >Paste this text: > >_______________________________________________ >GENERAL LIST INFORMATION: > >The %(real_name)s mailing list >%(real_name)s@%(host_name)s >%(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s >_______________________________________________ >YOUR PERSONAL SUBSCRIBER OPTIONS: > >Unsubscribe or choose new options at >%(user_optionsurl)s > >For all lists you are subscribed to at > %(host_name)s >under the email address > %(user_delivered_to)s >your current password is > %(user_password)s >_______________________________________________ > >END OF HOW-TO SET UP PERSONALIZATION > >====== >On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 19:42, Larry Hansford wrote: > > Since I upgraded to Mailman 2.1, I want to add personalized messages in > the > > footer of messages, much like the ones that are included with this > list. I > > added these lines to the mm_cfg.py file, as indicated in the FAQ: > > > > VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = 1 > > VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = 1 > > VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 > > VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = 1 > > > > I'm not sure what variables are available for adding to the lines, > > though. Is there a link to references of variables that are available? > > > > Also, for our lists, the footer is repeated with each reply to the > > message. I can't find the setting to change that so previous footings are > > removed before the new one is attached. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Larry > > From jon at csh.rit.edu Tue Feb 4 04:49:29 2003 From: jon at csh.rit.edu (Jon Parise) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 22:49:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] listadmin-addr In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030204034929.GB28578@csh.rit.edu> On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 11:11:29AM -0500, delilah at seyyav.pair.com wrote: > In the mailpasswds script the variables used for 'hostname', 'useraddr', > 'exreq', and 'owner' are listed as: > > 'hostname': host, > 'useraddr': addr, > 'exreq' : r, > 'owner' : mailman_owner, > > What is the variable name used for listadmin-addr? I've looked everyplace > that I can think of and can't find it. I'd like to replace the > mailman_owner address used in the cronpass.txt to the listadmin-addr > address. You should be able to get the list's owner via mlist.GetOwnerEmail(). Once you have that value, just add a new variable token for the cronpass.txt template, e.g. list_owner = mlist.GetOwnerEmail() ... 'hostname' : host, 'useraddr' : addr, 'exreq' : r, 'owner' : mailman_owner 'listowner': list_owner I'm just guessing at this, though, so your mileage may vary. -- Jon Parise (jon at csh.rit.edu) :: http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jon/ From mail at freelock.com Tue Feb 4 05:00:03 2003 From: mail at freelock.com (John Locke) Date: 03 Feb 2003 20:00:03 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Per Virtual domain customizations In-Reply-To: <1044236836.24574.272.camel@denali.freelock.com> References: <1044236836.24574.272.camel@denali.freelock.com> Message-ID: <1044331201.24575.299.camel@denali.freelock.com> Nothing but silence... Let me simplify & rephrase my questions: 1. Is there any support for storing member information in a SQL database, with MM 2.1? 2. Is there any way to customize lists on a per-virtual-domain basis? Something as simple as having a different mm_cfg.py, and a different templates/ directory for each domain would be what I'm looking for--but can't quite get it to work. Thanks, -- John Locke http://freelock.com Just launched: http://teamcheckin.com On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 17:47, John Locke wrote: > 1. I've seen some references to a way of managing users in a SQL > database. Is this implemented yet? I haven't been able to find anything > explaining how to go about doing it. Since my users are already going to > have an entry in a SQL database, I thought it would be great to combine > the site password for a user with the mailman password, and make the > whole thing less confusing. > > > I have a few other ideas for web sites that might use different default > configurations of Mailman. So here's a few questions related to this: > > 3. Can you customize default information/templates for a single virtual > domain? It appears that changing the Mailman/templates/* affects the > entire site. Is there a way to have different default templates, based > on the virtual host? Probably simpler--what Python syntax would I use to > add custom default variables to the mm_cfg.py file, and where would I > start to dig to find where the templates are loaded, so I could hack in > some conditional path changes? > From barry at python.org Tue Feb 4 05:35:13 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:35:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 mailpasswds error References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030201105756.02cde970@64.65.196.198> <200302010858.26345.mattbrown.lists@lamphost.net> Message-ID: <15935.17153.137505.902429@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "MB" == Matt Brown writes: MB> With 2.1 you need to create a "site-wide" mailing list called MB> "mailman". Note BTW, that I've just modified mailmanctl to refuse to start if the site list doesn't exist. -Barry From ivanlan at pauahtun.org Tue Feb 4 06:27:24 2003 From: ivanlan at pauahtun.org (Ivan Van Laningham) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 22:27:24 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 mailpasswds error References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030201105756.02cde970@64.65.196.198> <15935.17153.137505.902429@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <3E3F4F3C.903C0575@pauahtun.org> Hi All-- "Barry A. Warsaw" wrote: > > >>>>> "MB" == Matt Brown writes: > > MB> With 2.1 you need to create a "site-wide" mailing list called > MB> "mailman". > > Note BTW, that I've just modified mailmanctl to refuse to start if the > site list doesn't exist. > Thanks! That would have saved me an hour or so of poking around on Feb 1;-) -ly y'rs, Ivan ---------------------------------------------- Ivan Van Laningham God N Locomotive Works http://www.pauahtun.org/ http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours From barry at python.org Tue Feb 4 06:31:36 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 00:31:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Language setup problem References: <31176307396.20030202230518@cd.lvivnet.com> Message-ID: <15935.20536.226607.757608@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "RI" == Rostyk Ivantsiv writes: RI> but how can I set the whole mailman site to be in Russian, not RI> just the lists??? RI> P.S. I tried setting DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'ru' in RI> mm_cfg.py, but it just brought to server error. You did exactly the right thing. The traceback when viewing the admin overview appears to be a buglet in the Russian catalog. Seemed easy to fix so I did it (to be committed to cvs momentarily). Maybe Mikhail can double check it. -Barry From barry at python.org Tue Feb 4 06:39:57 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 00:39:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 mailpasswds error References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030201105756.02cde970@64.65.196.198> <15935.17153.137505.902429@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <3E3F4F3C.903C0575@pauahtun.org> Message-ID: <15935.21037.602083.663334@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "IVL" == Ivan Van Laningham writes: IVL> Thanks! That would have saved me an hour or so of poking IVL> around on Feb 1;-) I can definitely relate -- see Warsaw's 4th Law. :) -Barry From barry at python.org Tue Feb 4 06:44:38 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 00:44:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1: lotsa language options problems... References: Message-ID: <15935.21318.271268.932205@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "CVR" == Chuq Von Rospach writes: CVR> it boiled down to problems with some of the language codecs, CVR> the multi-byte languages. So evidently that isn't really CVR> fixed on OS X, but I'll deal with that later. I bet you're still having problems building Python extension modules (i.e. C modules) on OSX. The other language related issues are real, and we're going to have to tease them out one by one. -Barry From chuqui at plaidworks.com Tue Feb 4 06:48:05 2003 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 21:48:05 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1: lotsa language options problems... In-Reply-To: <15935.21318.271268.932205@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <3B359E8D-3804-11D7-AA60-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> > CVR> it boiled down to problems with some of the language codecs, > CVR> the multi-byte languages. So evidently that isn't really > CVR> fixed on OS X, but I'll deal with that later. > > I bet you're still having problems building Python extension modules > (i.e. C modules) on OSX. > I'm sure I am. I'll look at that when I can. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Architech chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/ From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Tue Feb 4 07:10:38 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 15:10:38 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Bug in CVS Scrubber.py References: Message-ID: <3E3F595E.4060303@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, I think this bug is fixed. Please get a patch from http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=670167&group_id=103&atid=300103 Cheers, David Eisner wrote: > I checked out the latest sources from CVS this afternoon and > discovered the following bug in Scrubber.py ( I think ). > > > I. PROBLEM > > If I send a message with an attachment to a list from Outlook (XP), > the pipermail archived version of the message is missing the > content of the message, although the attahcment is there. > > Here's an example: > > --snip-- > > Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: test.doc > Type: application/msword > Size: 23040 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : http://calcetalk.umd.edu/pipermail/test/attachments/20030203/fb37e2d4/test-0001.doc > > --snip-- > > > If, however, I send a message without an attachment, it works correctly: > > --snip-- > > This is Test 6, from Outlook, with no attachment. > > > > -David > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://calcetalk.umd.edu/pipermail/test/attachments/20030203/1d720250/attachment.htm > --snip-- > > > II. ANALYSIS > > I poked around Scrubber.py and added some syslog statements. The > problem is occuring in the process() method. > > a. The structure of an Outlook message with an attachment looks like this: > > multipart/mixed > multipart/alternative > text/plain > text/html > application/msword > > Here's are the result of the syslog statements I put in process(): > > Feb 03 20:48:01 2003 (32291) Processing message part multipart/mixed > Feb 03 20:48:01 2003 (32291) Processing message part multipart/alternative > Feb 03 20:48:01 2003 (32291) Processing message part text/plain > Feb 03 20:48:01 2003 (32291) Processing message part text/html > Feb 03 20:48:01 2003 (32291) Processing message part application/msword > Feb 03 20:48:01 2003 (32291) Out of for loop, final sanitizing > Feb 03 20:48:01 2003 (32291) Processing payload part multipart/alternative > Feb 03 20:48:01 2003 (32291) continuing > Feb 03 20:48:01 2003 (32291) Processing payload part text/plain > > In the final sanitizing, the text/plain and text/html subparts within > the multipart/alternatvie are lost. The last text/plain part is > what was the word attachment, before it was scrubbed. > > > b. The structure of an Outlook message with no attachment looks like this: > > multipart/alternative > text/plain > text/html > > The syslog statements: > > Feb 03 20:48:59 2003 (32291) Processing message part multipart/alternative > Feb 03 20:48:59 2003 (32291) Processing message part text/plain > Feb 03 20:48:59 2003 (32291) Processing message part text/html > Feb 03 20:48:59 2003 (32291) Out of for loop, final sanitizing > Feb 03 20:48:59 2003 (32291) Processing payload part text/plain > Feb 03 20:48:59 2003 (32291) Processing payload part text/plain > > In this case, there's no problem, because the text/plain and text/html > subparts are returned directly by msg.get_payload(). In part a., the > first thing returned by msg.get_payload() is the multipart/alternative > part, which is skipped since it's not 'text/plain'. > > > -David > > > ------------------------+--------------------------+ > David Eisner | E-mail: cradle at umd.edu | > CALCE EPSC | Phone: 301-405-5341 | > University of Maryland | Fax: 301-314-9269 | > ------------------------+--------------------------+ > -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From simon at mtds.com Tue Feb 4 09:40:15 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 08:40:15 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Per Virtual domain customizations In-Reply-To: <1044331201.24575.299.camel@denali.freelock.com> References: <1044236836.24574.272.camel@denali.freelock.com> <1044331201.24575.299.camel@denali.freelock.com> Message-ID: <20030204084015.GC13726@mtds.com> 03-Feb-03 at 20:00, John Locke (mail at freelock.com) wrote : > Nothing but silence... Let me simplify & rephrase my questions: > > 1. Is there any support for storing member information in a SQL > database, with MM 2.1? > I do this via synchronisation. A script that calls add_member/remove_member called from the code that does the INSERT/DELETE query in SQL. It's not particularly robust but it works. Ideally having an external DB for Mailman would solve many a problem for me, since I have 12000 subscribers in one DB for web access to certain "member" parts of a website, and a synchronisation with Mailman's internal DB for the list membership. Now, it's not 100% critical if someone unsubscribes on the web but doesn't get removed from the mailing list, but if Mailman could just sync with the SQL DB that would be ideal. > 2. Is there any way to customize lists on a per-virtual-domain basis? > Something as simple as having a different mm_cfg.py, and a different > templates/ directory for each domain would be what I'm looking for--but > can't quite get it to work. I don't know if this is fully possible, but I know each list can have it's own language preference so I guess there are other parameters each list can have uniquely. -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From j-devenish at users.sourceforge.net Tue Feb 4 10:11:55 2003 From: j-devenish at users.sourceforge.net (James Devenish) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:11:55 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't admin pending messages -- me too In-Reply-To: <1043936996.2241.8.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030204091155.GA8787@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> Hi, Last month there was a thread about a problem that I am now having. Was a solution, or at least a cause, found? The problem, as stated by the original poster, is "It shows the pending messages with the choices - but if I select to approve, reject, or discard - nothing happens after I click submit. The same messages are still there and still pending." To clarify, this occurs in all parts of the admindb interface that are normally used. No approve/reject/discard/etc options have any effect. I just end up at the admindb page as though it was a daydream that I had used the buttons. There are no messages in any logs, there is no explanation or acknowledgment in the web interface. I have tried most regular things like stopping and starting daemons, clearing out temp junk (not that there was any), etc. Of course, there are posts pending. But, to complicate matters, the affected machine was physically relocated on the weekend and had its hard drives moved into a new chassis (with a new motherboard, etc) due to a long-standing hardware fault that we wanted to eliminate. And various other software was upgraded. On top of that, it has new IP addresses and its domain has changed. BUT this has not cause weird bugs in other software and most of changes were made in stages with no observed malfunctions along the way. All I can think is that the last time Mailman admindb was known to work was late last week, before these changes, and now it doesn't work. The version was 2.1b3 but in the face of this new problem, I upgraded to 2.1 proper. The upgrade seems to have made no observable difference (improvement) in behaviour. Anyway, it sounds like the same problem that someone else had, even if my circumstances obscure this. OS is Solaris on UltraSPARC with Python 2.2.1. I will cheerfully upgrade this to Python 2.2.2 along with Python-dependent packages, in the near future. But, as for Mailman... From lists at monkeez.co.uk Tue Feb 4 10:39:10 2003 From: lists at monkeez.co.uk (Adam) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 09:39:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting incorrect URL's on site Message-ID: <1044351550.3e3f8a3e1b1dd@webmail.monkeez.co.uk> On a new list I created I'm getting incorrect url links This is how it stands: http://mysite.mycompany.com/listinfo/mysite.company.com/admin/listname Obviously, no such link exists. I can see that in Defaults.py there are entries DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mysite.mycompany.com' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mysite.mycompany.com' DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = '%s/mailman/' What is going wrong here? Thanks in advance. adam -------------------------------- GPG public key:- www.monkeez.co.uk/public_key.asc From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 4 10:38:53 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 09:38:53 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling VERP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030204093248.03ba6c58@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 00:08 04/02/2003, Tom Maddox wrote: >So, is it possible to disable the VERP functionality in some fashion? My >users would prefer to have regular From: and Reply-to: headers, not the >irritating VERP ones. I'm hesitant to make changes to the VERP_FORMAT and >VERP_REGEXP lines in mm_cfg.py without knowing precisely what effect doing >so will have, plus I'm not entirely sure that those are the lines I should >be changing. > >TIA, > >Tom > >Tom Maddox, BOFH, SCSA, MCSE (it hurts!) >There, Inc. > You shouldn't need to change VERP_FORMAT and VERP_REGEXP to disable VERP'ing The following variables should disable VERP'ed return addresses: VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = 0 VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = 0 VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 0 VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = 0 If these are set so (installation default ??) then your users shouldn't be seeing VERP'ed return addresses From simon at mtds.com Tue Feb 4 11:24:32 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 10:24:32 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Tracebacks quite a bit Message-ID: <20030204102432.GK13726@mtds.com> I just ran check_db --verbose --all I got this during run (although all other output seemed to suggest the dbs were OK) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main qrunner.run() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run filecnt = self._oneloop() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in _oneloop msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 144, in dequeue data = self._ext_read(dbfile) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 245, in _ext_read dict = marshal.load(fp) ValueError: bad marshal data I also only just added the list mailman, it seemed to work, however it didn't email me a welcome letter or an admin notification email, although now test mails to the list do work. Regards, -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Tue Feb 4 11:25:37 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 19:25:37 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Digest Topic Lists References: <20030203054222.M94137@nleaudio.com> Message-ID: <3E3F9521.3080405@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Folks, Please try my new patch to ToDigest.py, http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=103&atid=300103&file_id=41440&aid=674401 You may also want fix some bug in Scrubber.py, http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=103&atid=300103&file_id=41438&aid=670167 Both patches are for most recent CVS. Bob Puff at NLE wrote: > Hi Paul, > > It looks fine if you only have a few messages, but gets hard to scan through > when you have 50+ messages per digest. MM 2.0.x's lists were very nice. > > Bob > > ------ Original Message -------- > From: Paul H Byerly > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Digest Topic Lists > Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 13:44:08 -0600 > To: mailman-users at python.org > Bob wrote: > >>Hi Barry and Gang, >> >>We're getting closer with the Digest Topic list! It looks better per line, > > > Yes it does, thanks. > > >>except now there is an extra blank line between each entry, as demonstarted by >>this latest one: > > > Funny, I like it better that way. Can't make everyone happy at once! > > > <>< Paul > ------- End of Original Message ------- -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From dinouk at orange.net Tue Feb 4 12:08:43 2003 From: dinouk at orange.net (dino) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:08:43 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Initial Setup Issues In-Reply-To: <1044319023.2653.19.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <001101c2cc3d$c9a9e060$2a594ed5@roswell> Nope. Only the single member I manually added shows up anywhere at all. -----Original Message----- From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] Sent: 04 February 2003 00:37 To: dinouk at orange.net Cc: Mailman users Mailing list Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Initial Setup Issues Not to be too obtuse but what happens when you look at the admindb web-page for the list? Are the subscribes waiting there to be confirmed? What subscribe settings in the admin web-pages? On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 13:31, dino wrote: > Well everything seems to be OK, however here are the contents of my > /home/mailman/logs/subscribe file > > Feb 03 18:13:31 2003 (16112) chico: pending testuser1 at dino.me.uk > 213.78.79.150 Feb 03 18:15:07 2003 (16423) chico: pending > dinouk at orange.net 213.78.79.150 > Feb 03 18:16:14 2003 (16755) chico: new kljlkj at dino.me.uk > Feb 03 18:28:52 2003 (17982) chico: pending testuser2 at dino.me.uk > 213.78.79.150 > > User kljlkj at dino.me.uk is the one that I added manually via the web > interface, the others I subbed via the user page. > > It looks like user requests are being held for some reason if they are > submitted by potential users, but getting thru if me as the admin > submits them... > > Argh! > > Again any help would be gratefully received! > > Dino > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] > Sent: 03 February 2003 14:20 > To: dinouk at orange.net > Cc: Mailman users Mailing list > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Initial Setup Issues > > > Check the aliases that you created and make sure that they are > pointing to mailman post scripts (with your list name as one of the > inputs). > > Also take a look at the steps in FAQ 3.14. This was written > specifically to help new installers of Mailman v2.0.13 who are having > problems getting mail to go to the lists. > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > Jon Carnes > > On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 05:10, dino wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > > > Great product and good list, but... > > > > I had some issues installing 2.1 so on advice from ISP installed the > > last stable release before that 2.0.13. > > > > Everything works fine during the setup stage and I can create the > > list > > > properly with no issues, and the adding of aliases seems to go OK > > too. > > > Once done I can view my list from the web and everything. > > > > However, if a user goes to the web to subscribe they do get the > > initial subscribe message, but replying to that doesn't generate the > > final confirmationation email. Rather, I, as list admin, seem to get a > > > copy of their confirmation, and no user is created. > > > > But, manually adding subscribers from the web myself seems to work > > fine. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Cheers > > > > Dino > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From dinouk at orange.net Tue Feb 4 12:13:30 2003 From: dinouk at orange.net (dino) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:13:30 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Initial Setup Issues In-Reply-To: <1044319023.2653.19.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <001201c2cc3e$74560bb0$2a594ed5@roswell> Although I am now having some thoughts...probably not relevant but you never know! Here is my installation history: 1. Installed Mailman 2.1, but had major problems 2. My ISP (I rent a virtual server) told me that they were only supporting 2.0.x at this time, thus: 3. Installed 2.0.13 as it is the most stable release prior to 2.1 Now, as far as uninstalling goes, I simply removed the install directories: ie: /home/mailman and /usr/local/mailman. Is there another uninstall step I should have taken and could the hassles I am having be caused by something from an earlier aborted install hanging around, dya think? Cheers dino -----Original Message----- From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] Sent: 04 February 2003 00:37 To: dinouk at orange.net Cc: Mailman users Mailing list Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Initial Setup Issues Not to be too obtuse but what happens when you look at the admindb web-page for the list? Are the subscribes waiting there to be confirmed? What subscribe settings in the admin web-pages? On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 13:31, dino wrote: > Well everything seems to be OK, however here are the contents of my > /home/mailman/logs/subscribe file > > Feb 03 18:13:31 2003 (16112) chico: pending testuser1 at dino.me.uk > 213.78.79.150 Feb 03 18:15:07 2003 (16423) chico: pending > dinouk at orange.net 213.78.79.150 > Feb 03 18:16:14 2003 (16755) chico: new kljlkj at dino.me.uk > Feb 03 18:28:52 2003 (17982) chico: pending testuser2 at dino.me.uk > 213.78.79.150 > > User kljlkj at dino.me.uk is the one that I added manually via the web > interface, the others I subbed via the user page. > > It looks like user requests are being held for some reason if they are > submitted by potential users, but getting thru if me as the admin > submits them... > > Argh! > > Again any help would be gratefully received! > > Dino > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] > Sent: 03 February 2003 14:20 > To: dinouk at orange.net > Cc: Mailman users Mailing list > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Initial Setup Issues > > > Check the aliases that you created and make sure that they are > pointing to mailman post scripts (with your list name as one of the > inputs). > > Also take a look at the steps in FAQ 3.14. This was written > specifically to help new installers of Mailman v2.0.13 who are having > problems getting mail to go to the lists. > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > Jon Carnes > > On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 05:10, dino wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > > > Great product and good list, but... > > > > I had some issues installing 2.1 so on advice from ISP installed the > > last stable release before that 2.0.13. > > > > Everything works fine during the setup stage and I can create the > > list > > > properly with no issues, and the adding of aliases seems to go OK > > too. > > > Once done I can view my list from the web and everything. > > > > However, if a user goes to the web to subscribe they do get the > > initial subscribe message, but replying to that doesn't generate the > > final confirmationation email. Rather, I, as list admin, seem to get a > > > copy of their confirmation, and no user is created. > > > > But, manually adding subscribers from the web myself seems to work > > fine. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Cheers > > > > Dino > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jam at jamux.com Tue Feb 4 14:23:37 2003 From: jam at jamux.com (John A. Martin) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 08:23:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 mailpasswds error In-Reply-To: <15935.21037.602083.663334@gargle.gargle.HOWL> (barry@python.org's message of "Tue, 4 Feb 2003 00:39:57 -0500") References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030201105756.02cde970@64.65.196.198> <15935.17153.137505.902429@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <3E3F4F3C.903C0575@pauahtun.org> <15935.21037.602083.663334@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <87znpcxjqe.fsf@athene.jamux.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw >>>>> "Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 mailpasswds error" >>>>> Tue, 4 Feb 2003 00:39:57 -0500 BAW> see Warsaw's 4th Law. :) Pointer? ,----[ Google ] | Your search - "Warsaw's 4th Law" - did not match any documents. `---- :-) jam -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQE+P77OUEvv1b/iXy8RAu10AJ46lvl9PjlNPCdrxl6nAtUGoQN5bgCfa/oJ 4dpTUQo2ogfN8y74BHmqHPg= =FCK5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kenneth at drosera.be Tue Feb 4 14:34:23 2003 From: kenneth at drosera.be (kenneth at drosera.be) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:34:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] pipermail archive + order by date In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1044365663.3e3fc15f74148@webmail.drosera.be> I posted this a while ago, but got no response to my question. Why does pipermail mess up the order of mails ? What changes need to be made to have all mails in the correct order by date (taking into account that mails from australia and from the US should be listed in the correct date-order) ? At the moment my archives are pretty jumbled, with mails being added halfway (and I'm not refering to the answers to threads), other being added at the end etc. Would another archiving program handle this correctly ? kind regards, Kenneth. From kenneth at drosera.be Tue Feb 4 14:30:35 2003 From: kenneth at drosera.be (kenneth at drosera.be) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:30:35 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] date header missing in digest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1044365435.3e3fc07b91607@webmail.drosera.be> Hello all, I just noticed the following while looking at my list of mails, there is no "date" in the header of a digest ! Have a look: Return-Path: Delivered-To: 53-info at orchidguide.com Received: (qmail 19281 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2003 07:35:49 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (HELO stanhopea.potto-webdesign.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.localdomain with SMTP; 4 Feb 2003 07:35:49 -0000 From: orchids-request at orchidguide.com Subject: Orchids Digest, Vol 5, Issue 24 To: orchids at orchidguide.com Reply-To: orchids at orchidguide.com X-BeenThere: orchids at orchidguide.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list List-Id: the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: orchids-bounces at orchidguide.com Errors-To: orchids-bounces at orchidguide.com Where did "Date: Tue..." go ? What do I need to change to get it ? kind regards, Kenneth. From barry at python.org Tue Feb 4 15:23:30 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 09:23:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 mailpasswds error References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030201105756.02cde970@64.65.196.198> <15935.17153.137505.902429@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <3E3F4F3C.903C0575@pauahtun.org> <15935.21037.602083.663334@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87znpcxjqe.fsf@athene.jamux.com> Message-ID: <15935.52450.930734.213148@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "jam" == John A Martin writes: jam> ,----[ Google ] | Your search - "Warsaw's 4th Law" - did not jam> match any documents. `---- jam> :-) Try "Warsaw's Fourth Law" :) -Barry From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Feb 4 15:58:02 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 04 Feb 2003 09:58:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't admin pending messages -- me too In-Reply-To: <20030204091155.GA8787@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030204091155.GA8787@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <1044370687.2294.4.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Let me point you to a posting from the archives from Vivek Khera: If you redirect a POST using mod_redirect, you lose the data. The workaround is to capture the POST data from the original request, convert it to a GET and redirect to that. But then if you're sending the first request in the clear, what exactly do you gain by redirecting to SSL after all the info just went by cleartext? You need to fix it up so that the page is submitted *directly* to the SSL secured URL. Since you moved thing around a bit, you may be using a simple redirect to point Mailman admindb calls back to the address they used to use. During the redirect the POST information is lost. The admindb cgi receives no information. It looks like it's ignoring you. HtH - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 04:11, James Devenish wrote: > Hi, > > Last month there was a thread about a problem that I am now having. > Was a solution, or at least a cause, found? > > The problem, as stated by the original poster, is "It shows the pending > messages with the choices - but if I select to approve, reject, or > discard - nothing happens after I click submit. The same messages > are still there and still pending." > > To clarify, this occurs in all parts of the admindb interface that > are normally used. No approve/reject/discard/etc options have any > effect. I just end up at the admindb page as though it was a > daydream that I had used the buttons. There are no messages in > any logs, there is no explanation or acknowledgment in the web > interface. > > I have tried most regular things like stopping and starting daemons, > clearing out temp junk (not that there was any), etc. Of course, there > are posts pending. But, to complicate matters, the affected machine was > physically relocated on the weekend and had its hard drives moved into a > new chassis (with a new motherboard, etc) due to a long-standing > hardware fault that we wanted to eliminate. And various other software > was upgraded. On top of that, it has new IP addresses and its domain has > changed. BUT this has not cause weird bugs in other software and most of > changes were made in stages with no observed malfunctions along the way. > All I can think is that the last time Mailman admindb was known to work > was late last week, before these changes, and now it doesn't work. The > version was 2.1b3 but in the face of this new problem, I upgraded to 2.1 > proper. The upgrade seems to have made no observable difference > (improvement) in behaviour. Anyway, it sounds like the same problem > that someone else had, even if my circumstances obscure this. OS is > Solaris on UltraSPARC with Python 2.2.1. I will cheerfully upgrade > this to Python 2.2.2 along with Python-dependent packages, in the > near future. > > But, as for Mailman... > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Feb 4 16:05:11 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 04 Feb 2003 10:05:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Initial Setup Issues In-Reply-To: <001101c2cc3d$c9a9e060$2a594ed5@roswell> References: <001101c2cc3d$c9a9e060$2a594ed5@roswell> Message-ID: <1044371114.2294.8.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Unfortunately you did not answer my question... If the admin pages for your list are: http://mysite.domain/mailman/admin/ Then what do you see when you go to: http://mysite.domain/mailman/admindb/ On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 06:08, dino wrote: > Nope. Only the single member I manually added shows up anywhere at all. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] > Sent: 04 February 2003 00:37 > To: dinouk at orange.net > Cc: Mailman users Mailing list > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Initial Setup Issues > > > Not to be too obtuse but what happens when you look at the admindb > web-page for the list? Are the subscribes waiting there to be > confirmed? > > What subscribe settings in the admin web-pages? > > On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 13:31, dino wrote: > > Well everything seems to be OK, however here are the contents of my > > /home/mailman/logs/subscribe file > > > > Feb 03 18:13:31 2003 (16112) chico: pending testuser1 at dino.me.uk > > 213.78.79.150 Feb 03 18:15:07 2003 (16423) chico: pending > > dinouk at orange.net 213.78.79.150 > > Feb 03 18:16:14 2003 (16755) chico: new kljlkj at dino.me.uk > > Feb 03 18:28:52 2003 (17982) chico: pending testuser2 at dino.me.uk > > 213.78.79.150 > > > > User kljlkj at dino.me.uk is the one that I added manually via the web > > interface, the others I subbed via the user page. > > > > It looks like user requests are being held for some reason if they are > > > submitted by potential users, but getting thru if me as the admin > > submits them... > > > > Argh! > > > > Again any help would be gratefully received! > > > > Dino > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] > > Sent: 03 February 2003 14:20 > > To: dinouk at orange.net > > Cc: Mailman users Mailing list > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Initial Setup Issues > > > > > > Check the aliases that you created and make sure that they are > > pointing to mailman post scripts (with your list name as one of the > > inputs). > > > > Also take a look at the steps in FAQ 3.14. This was written > > specifically to help new installers of Mailman v2.0.13 who are having > > problems getting mail to go to the lists. > > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > > > > Jon Carnes > > > > On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 05:10, dino wrote: > > > Hi Guys, > > > > > > Great product and good list, but... > > > > > > I had some issues installing 2.1 so on advice from ISP installed the > > > last stable release before that 2.0.13. > > > > > > Everything works fine during the setup stage and I can create the > > > list > > > > > properly with no issues, and the adding of aliases seems to go OK > > > too. > > > > > Once done I can view my list from the web and everything. > > > > > > However, if a user goes to the web to subscribe they do get the > > > initial subscribe message, but replying to that doesn't generate the > > > > final confirmationation email. Rather, I, as list admin, seem to get > a > > > > > copy of their confirmation, and no user is created. > > > > > > But, manually adding subscribers from the web myself seems to work > > > fine. > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Dino > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > Searchable Archives: > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Feb 4 16:17:27 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 04 Feb 2003 10:17:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] pipermail archive + order by date In-Reply-To: <1044365663.3e3fc15f74148@webmail.drosera.be> References: <1044365663.3e3fc15f74148@webmail.drosera.be> Message-ID: <1044371851.2294.17.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> I don't have this problem at all, and my threading works fine as well. What version of Mailman are you using and what is your ARCHIVER_CLOBBER_DATE set to? # This sets the default `clobber date' policy for the archiver. # When a message is to be archived either by Pipermail or an # external archiver, Mailman can modify the Date: header to be # the date the message was received instead of the Date: in the # original message. This is useful if you typically receive # messages with outrageous dates. Set this to 0 to retain # the date of the original message, or to 1 to always clobber # the date. Set it to 2 to perform `smart overrides' on the # date; when the date is outside # ARCHIVER_ALLOWABLE_SANE_DATE_SKEW (either too early or too # late), then the received date is substituted instead. ARCHIVER_CLOBBER_DATE_POLICY = 2 ARCHIVER_ALLOWABLE_SANE_DATE_SKEW = days(15) On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 08:34, kenneth at drosera.be wrote: > I posted this a while ago, but got no response to my question. > > Why does pipermail mess up the order of mails ? > What changes need to be made to have all mails in the correct order by date > (taking into account that mails from australia and from the US should be listed > in the correct date-order) ? > > At the moment my archives are pretty jumbled, with mails being added halfway > (and I'm not refering to the answers to threads), other being added at the end > etc. > > Would another archiving program handle this correctly ? > > > kind regards, > > Kenneth. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From drmichaelmason at umaai.org Mon Feb 3 21:52:32 2003 From: drmichaelmason at umaai.org (drmichaelmason) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:52:32 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setup Issues Message-ID: <002b01c2cbc6$2d8354e0$6501a8c0@nightmar> I have just recently tried to setup my list and am having some problems. For some reason, I send an e-mail to the list and nothing happens. I am unable to find it on the server and it does not get dispatched out to the members. Any ideas? Tony From simon at mtds.com Tue Feb 4 17:35:14 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 16:35:14 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setup Issues In-Reply-To: <002b01c2cbc6$2d8354e0$6501a8c0@nightmar> References: <002b01c2cbc6$2d8354e0$6501a8c0@nightmar> Message-ID: <20030204163514.GC22134@mtds.com> 03-Feb-03 at 14:52, drmichaelmason (drmichaelmason at umaai.org) wrote : > I have just recently tried to setup my list and am having some > problems. For some reason, I send an e-mail to the list and nothing > happens. I am unable to find it on the server and it does not get > dispatched out to the members. Any ideas? No logs. No other evidence. No mention of your mailman version Error: cannot read mind -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From cradle at umd.edu Tue Feb 4 17:54:14 2003 From: cradle at umd.edu (David Eisner) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:54:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Bug in CVS Scrubber.py In-Reply-To: <3E3F595E.4060303@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > I think this bug is fixed. Please get a patch from > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=670167&group_id=103&atid=300103 The patch seems to work. Thanks! -David ------------------------+--------------------------+ David Eisner | E-mail: cradle at umd.edu | CALCE EPSC | Phone: 301-405-5341 | University of Maryland | Fax: 301-314-9269 | ------------------------+--------------------------+ From mail at freelock.com Tue Feb 4 18:09:03 2003 From: mail at freelock.com (John Locke) Date: 04 Feb 2003 09:09:03 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Per Virtual domain customizations In-Reply-To: <20030204084015.GC13726@mtds.com> References: <1044236836.24574.272.camel@denali.freelock.com> <1044331201.24575.299.camel@denali.freelock.com> <20030204084015.GC13726@mtds.com> Message-ID: <1044378543.24574.314.camel@denali.freelock.com> On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 00:40, Simon White wrote: > 03-Feb-03 at 20:00, John Locke (mail at freelock.com) wrote : > > > > 1. Is there any support for storing member information in a SQL > > database, with MM 2.1? > > > > I do this via synchronisation. A script that calls > add_member/remove_member called from the code that does the > INSERT/DELETE query in SQL. It's not particularly robust but it works. > Yes, this is what I was thinking I would have to do. I had just found some references to a SQL "member adapter" for Mailman, during a web search, but was unable to find anything about implementing it. The biggest issue is that my web server is separate from my mail server (both are running MySQL, but for reliability, I'm having the web site hosted). So I'm gonna have to develop some sort of replication /synchronization scheme to handle connection outages... > > 2. Is there any way to customize lists on a per-virtual-domain basis? > > Something as simple as having a different mm_cfg.py, and a different > > templates/ directory for each domain would be what I'm looking for--but > > can't quite get it to work. > > I don't know if this is fully possible, but I know each list can have > it's own language preference so I guess there are other parameters each > list can have uniquely. So far I've been able to set per-list configurations, using config_list after the list is created. I found if I create an "en/" directory inside the directory for the list, any templates I put in there are used before the ones in the main template directory. But this doesn't help for the initial list-creation email sent to the list admin (because the list isn't created beforehand), or for the ADMIN_CATEGORIES variable (because it seems to be site-wide). Any other ideas? Thanks, -- John Locke http://freelock.com Just launched: http://teamcheckin.com From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu Tue Feb 4 18:15:36 2003 From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:15:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] "No mailman user found" error when building Mailman 2.1 Message-ID: <200302041716.h14HGKIs025544@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> Having problems installing mailman 2.1 on a Solaris 8 Ultra 10 machine using GCC 3.2.1 and python 2.2.2 I'm installing as mailman, and the configure dies with (see more below): mailman> ./configure --prefix=/users/mailman --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python --with-cgi-gid=65534 --with-mail-gid=1 creating cache ./config.cache checking for --with-python... /usr/local/bin/python checking Python interpreter... /usr/local/bin/python checking Python version... 2.2.2 checking that Python has a working distutils... yes checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/local/bin/install -c checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes checking for true... /usr/local/bin/true checking for --without-gcc... no checking for gcc... gcc checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) is a cross-compiler... no checking whether we are using GNU C... yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes checking whether #! works in shell scripts... yes checking for --with-var-prefix... no checking for --with-permcheck... yes checking for --with-username... mailman checking for user name "mailman"... Traceback (most recent call last): File "conftest.py", line 1, in ? import pwd ImportError: No module named pwd cat: conftest.out: No such file or directory configure: error: ***** No "mailman" user found! ***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined ***** (usually in your /etc/passwd file). Please see the INSTALL ***** file for details. ======================================================== As you can see below, mailman DOES exist (I'm logged in as mailman). mailman> grep mailman /etc/passwd mailman:x:10:44:mailadm LOCAL:/users/mailman:/bin/csh mailman> whoami How can I get past this error? Is it a python error? If so, what would you suggest I do get the build to find the correct pwd module? Thanks! Steve Rifkin steve410 at cs.jhu.edu From steve-lists at befriend.com Tue Feb 4 18:21:47 2003 From: steve-lists at befriend.com (Steve Werby) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:21:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with listinfo and advertised in global virtual host setup (I did my homework) Message-ID: <001401c2cc72$13107960$6401a8c0@toshibasatellite> I recently installed Mailman 2.1 on a machine running Apache 1.3.20. Mailman is installed in a central location and made available to all virtual sites via an Apache ScriptAlias directive. The lists function properly and all are accessible, but are not listed on the listinfo page even though advertised is flagged as Yes on the Privacy options page. I have read the docs in the source tarball, the FAQ and searched the archives so I'm aware that I can get all lists to appear on the listinfo page by setting: VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW=0 within Mailman/mm_cfg.py. Thanks to a list post by Barry Warsaw and FAQ 4.17. The result is that all lists on the server are advertised on the listinfo page, regardless of whether the list's host_name (as set on the bottom of the General options page) matches the host in the web page. The lists are setup to receive email @foo.com (not @www.foo.com, though I can if that solves the problem), the listinfo page is either www.foo.com or www.bar.com and I've tried setting host_name to foo.com and www.foo.com with the same results (with VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW=1 or not set). This is the same behavior I experienced by default in Mailman 1.x, but I'm curious if there's a solution that will make lists only available via a URL that matches the hostname? I searched the archives, so if it's been covered I simply didn't enter the right search terms to track down the solution. And I tried a helper function mentioned in INSTALL, but I wasn't clear if it could be used to accomplish what I desire. I'll take a fish or a fishing lesson. If you need more details or clarification say the word. -- Steve Werby President, Befriend Internet Services LLC http://www.befriend.com/ From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Tue Feb 4 18:25:45 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:25:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Per Virtual domain customizations In-Reply-To: <1044378543.24574.314.camel@denali.freelock.com> References: <1044236836.24574.272.camel@denali.freelock.com> <1044331201.24575.299.camel@denali.freelock.com> <20030204084015.GC13726@mtds.com> <1044378543.24574.314.camel@denali.freelock.com> Message-ID: <20030204172545.GA1788@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 John Locke wrote: > On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 00:40, Simon White wrote: > > I do this via synchronisation. A script that calls > > add_member/remove_member called from the code that does the > > INSERT/DELETE query in SQL. It's not particularly robust but it works. > > Yes, this is what I was thinking I would have to do. I had just found some > references to a SQL "member adapter" for Mailman, during a web search, but > was unable to find anything about implementing it. I haven't seen anyone announce a MySQLMemberAdaptor yet either, but Martin Whinnery made an announcement here a few weeks ago for an LDAPMemberAdaptor. If you know some python, perhaps you want to look at the LDAP version and try and convert it for use with MySQL. You'd surely make a lot of friends if you did it. :) The URL for the LDAPMemberAdaptor is http://webserver.offal.homelinux.org You might also want to look at ~mailman/Mailman/MemberAdaptor.py if you're thinking of attempting this. > So far I've been able to set per-list configurations, using config_list > after the list is created. I found if I create an "en/" directory inside > the directory for the list, any templates I put in there are used before > the ones in the main template directory. But this doesn't help for the > initial list-creation email sent to the list admin (because the list isn't > created beforehand), or for the ADMIN_CATEGORIES variable (because it > seems to be site-wide). You might already know this, but here's what the very helpful comments in Mailman.Utils.maketext say: # When looking for a template in a specific language, there are 4 places # that are searched, in this order: # # 1. the list-specific language directory # lists// # # 2. the domain-specific language directory # templates// # # 3. the site-wide language directory # templates/site/ # # 4. the global default language directory # templates/ # # The first match found stops the search. In this way, you can # specialize # templates at the desired level, or, if you use only the default # templates, you don't need to change anything. You should never modify # files in the templates/ subdirectory, since Mailman will # overwrite these when you upgrade. That's what the templates/site # language directories are for. Perhaps the second option is what you're looking for? - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+P/eZuv+09NZUB1oRAoC/AJ9SYXKG6zZ7WjM8G7IC115ghVhcogCeN5IZ yiCO6urnT/tPA5PIwFxuxG8= =36a2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From khera at kcilink.com Tue Feb 4 18:27:31 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:27:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with listinfo and advertised in global virtual host setup (I did my homework) In-Reply-To: <001401c2cc72$13107960$6401a8c0@toshibasatellite> References: <001401c2cc72$13107960$6401a8c0@toshibasatellite> Message-ID: <15935.63491.977360.436033@onceler.kciLink.com> >>>>> "SW" == Steve Werby writes: SW> I recently installed Mailman 2.1 on a machine running Apache 1.3.20. SW> Mailman is installed in a central location and made available to all virtual SW> sites via an Apache ScriptAlias directive. The lists function properly and SW> all are accessible, but are not listed on the listinfo page even though I discovered the hard way that the vhost under which the list will be displayed depends on the url set in the list. unfortunately there's no way to change that URL from the web. you need to use the bin/uri_fix.py (or something like that) script to set the url correctly. Then it finds your site based on the vhost. From jdecarlo at mitre.org Tue Feb 4 18:30:56 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 12:30:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying the results of the "who" email command. Message-ID: <3E3FF8D0.6070500@mitre.org> Hello, The current results of sending the "who" command via email is a list of all the members of the list, divided into Digest and Non-digest. However, I would like to break out the members who are disabled separately from those receiving mail. If anyone has looked at doing this or something similar, I would appreciate any pointers. So far I haven't even found the script that responds to the "who" command. Thanks. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Tue Feb 4 18:52:32 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:52:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying the results of the "who" email command. In-Reply-To: <3E3FF8D0.6070500@mitre.org> References: <3E3FF8D0.6070500@mitre.org> Message-ID: <20030204175232.GE1788@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 John DeCarlo wrote: > If anyone has looked at doing this or something similar, I would > appreciate any pointers. So far I haven't even found the script that > responds to the "who" command. I haven't done anything like this, but I believe the place you want to look is ~mailman/Mailman/Commands/cmd_who.py - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ ...unfortunately, we can't control the actions of everyone. -- Bill Clinton, April 20, 1993 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+P/3guv+09NZUB1oRAge9AJ0cwsQWT5irrrRLNpbKJ7FUXy6SzQCfUp/e 18beTQD+fDmnzsD8J5ySszc= =tmsg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tmaddox at thereinc.com Tue Feb 4 19:13:18 2003 From: tmaddox at thereinc.com (Tom Maddox) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 10:13:18 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling VERP In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030204093248.03ba6c58@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: > At 00:08 04/02/2003, Tom Maddox wrote: > >So, is it possible to disable the VERP functionality in some fashion? My > >users would prefer to have regular From: and Reply-to: headers, not the > >irritating VERP ones. I'm hesitant to make changes to the > VERP_FORMAT and > >VERP_REGEXP lines in mm_cfg.py without knowing precisely what > effect doing > >so will have, plus I'm not entirely sure that those are the > lines I should > >be changing. > > > >TIA, > > > >Tom > You shouldn't need to change VERP_FORMAT and VERP_REGEXP to > disable VERP'ing > > The following variables should disable VERP'ed return addresses: > > VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = 0 > VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = 0 > VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 0 > VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = 0 > > If these are set so (installation default ??) then your users > shouldn't be > seeing VERP'ed return addresses Good theory, but sadly false. I didn't configure anything special when I upgraded to 2.1, and I'm getting the VERP headers. From Support at VLists.Net Tue Feb 4 19:27:23 2003 From: Support at VLists.Net (VLists.Net Support) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 12:27:23 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] master-qrunner.pid In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20030202112648.00ad9cd8@vlists.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20030204122723.00b51928@vlists.net> Someone asked about the content of the qrunner log and another some other questions about processes and such, as well as the status of the archives. The archives are a bit behind. The last seven messages to the list have yet to appear in the archive pages. In fact, I notice a huge time lag between the last message date and the last archive time, as shown at the bottom of the archive page when sorted by date. Last message date: Sun Feb 2 19:39:42 GMT 2003 Archived on: Sun Feb 2 21:28:56 GMT 2003 Here's the qrunner log for the date that it apparantly last shut down and required a manual start... Jan 10 00:00:21 2003 (74407) CommandRunner qrunner started. Jan 29 06:06:47 2003 (74386) ArchRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 29 06:06:47 2003 (74386) ArchRunner qrunner exiting. Jan 29 06:06:47 2003 (97045) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 74386, sig: None, sts: 15, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) Jan 29 06:06:54 2003 (74397) OutgoingRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 29 06:06:54 2003 (74397) OutgoingRunner qrunner exiting. Jan 29 06:06:55 2003 (97045) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 74397, sig: None, sts: 15, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) Jan 29 06:07:02 2003 (74388) IncomingRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 29 06:07:02 2003 (74388) IncomingRunner qrunner exiting. Jan 29 06:07:02 2003 (97045) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 74388, sig: None, sts: 15, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) Jan 29 06:07:10 2003 (74407) CommandRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 29 06:07:10 2003 (74407) CommandRunner qrunner exiting. Jan 29 06:07:10 2003 (97045) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 74407, sig: None, sts: 15, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1) Jan 29 06:07:23 2003 (74387) BounceRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 29 06:07:23 2003 (74387) BounceRunner qrunner exiting. Jan 29 06:07:23 2003 (97045) Master watcher caught SIGTERM. Exiting. Jan 29 06:07:23 2003 (74405) VirginRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 29 06:07:23 2003 (74405) VirginRunner qrunner exiting. Jan 29 06:07:23 2003 (74395) NewsRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 29 06:07:23 2003 (74395) NewsRunner qrunner exiting. Jan 29 06:07:24 2003 (97045) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 74387, sig: None, sts: 15, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) Jan 29 06:07:24 2003 (97045) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 74395, sig: None, sts: 15, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1) Jan 29 06:07:24 2003 (97045) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 74405, sig: None, sts: 15, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) Feb 02 04:37:14 2003 (87886) BounceRunner qrunner started. As for the process into, here's the output from a top command, which should take care of that... Jan 09 07:00:46 2003 (82843) NewsRunner qrunner exiting. Jan 09 07:00:46 2003 (82837) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 82845, sig: None, sts: 15, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) Jan 09 07:00:46 2003 (82837) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit last pid: 671506432; load averag 0.16, 0.35, 0.470.49 up 24+18:50:21 01:53:03 25 processes: 1 running, 24 sleeping CPU states: 0.4% user, 0.0% nice, 0.8% system, 0.0% interrupt, 98.8% idle Mem: 613M Active, 146M Inact, 154M Wired, 48M Cache, 112M Buf, 44M Free Swap: 1024M Total, 30M Used, 994M Free, 2% Inuse It should be noted that this is a virtual server. From mail at freelock.com Tue Feb 4 20:16:55 2003 From: mail at freelock.com (John Locke) Date: 04 Feb 2003 11:16:55 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Per Virtual domain customizations In-Reply-To: <20030204172545.GA1788@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <1044236836.24574.272.camel@denali.freelock.com> <1044331201.24575.299.camel@denali.freelock.com> <20030204084015.GC13726@mtds.com> <1044378543.24574.314.camel@denali.freelock.com> <20030204172545.GA1788@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <1044386215.24574.359.camel@denali.freelock.com> On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 09:25, Todd wrote: > I haven't seen anyone announce a MySQLMemberAdaptor yet either, but > Martin > Whinnery made an announcement here a few weeks ago for an > LDAPMemberAdaptor. > If you know some python, perhaps you want to look at the LDAP version > and > try and convert it for use with MySQL. You'd surely make a lot of > friends if > you did it. :) > > The URL for the LDAPMemberAdaptor is > http://webserver.offal.homelinux.org > > You might also want to look at ~mailman/Mailman/MemberAdaptor.py if > you're > thinking of attempting this. Thanks for the note. I don't know any Python, but maybe I'll take a whack at it if I find the time... > > You might already know this, but here's what the very helpful comments in > Mailman.Utils.maketext say: > > # When looking for a template in a specific language, there are 4 places > # that are searched, in this order: > # > # 1. the list-specific language directory > # lists// > # > # 2. the domain-specific language directory > # templates// > # > # 3. the site-wide language directory > # templates/site/ > # > # 4. the global default language directory > # templates/ > # > # The first match found stops the search. In this way, you can > # specialize > # templates at the desired level, or, if you use only the default > # templates, you don't need to change anything. You should never modify > # files in the templates/ subdirectory, since Mailman will > # overwrite these when you upgrade. That's what the templates/site > # language directories are for. > > Perhaps the second option is what you're looking for? Ah, that solves half of my problem! Thanks a lot. No, I hadn't found this text, anywhere. Any suggestions for the last part--having different default options for different domains in mm_cfg.py? It would be great if I could just have a different mm_cfg.py for each domain. Alternatively, is there code I could put into mm_cfg.py that would recognize what domain we're in, and set different defaults accordingly? Thanks, John From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Tue Feb 4 20:23:45 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 19:23:45 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling VERP In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030204093248.03ba6c58@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030204191839.03795978@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 18:13 04/02/2003, Tom Maddox wrote: > > At 00:08 04/02/2003, Tom Maddox wrote: > > >So, is it possible to disable the VERP functionality in some fashion? My > > >users would prefer to have regular From: and Reply-to: headers, not the > > >irritating VERP ones. I'm hesitant to make changes to the > > VERP_FORMAT and > > >VERP_REGEXP lines in mm_cfg.py without knowing precisely what > > effect doing > > >so will have, plus I'm not entirely sure that those are the > > lines I should > > >be changing. > > > > > >TIA, > > > > > >Tom > > > You shouldn't need to change VERP_FORMAT and VERP_REGEXP to > > disable VERP'ing > > > > The following variables should disable VERP'ed return addresses: > > > > VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = 0 > > VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = 0 > > VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 0 > > VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = 0 > > > > If these are set so (installation default ??) then your users > > shouldn't be > > seeing VERP'ed return addresses > >Good theory, but sadly false. I didn't configure anything special when I >upgraded to 2.1, and I'm getting the VERP headers. > Odd because this is exactly the setup I have with MM 2.1 and Mailman does not send out VERP'ed return address. But it did for a period when I set VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 to evaluate the performance impact of VERP'ing (and flush out a few irritating untraceable bouncing mail addresses). When I changed back to VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 0, return addresses stopped being VERP'ed and the outgoing mail started being chunked again. From steve-lists at befriend.com Tue Feb 4 21:19:33 2003 From: steve-lists at befriend.com (Steve Werby) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 15:19:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with listinfo and advertised in global virtual host setup(I did my homework) References: <001401c2cc72$13107960$6401a8c0@toshibasatellite> <15935.63491.977360.436033@onceler.kciLink.com> Message-ID: <018a01c2cc8a$bbfba6e0$6401a8c0@toshibasatellite> "Vivek Khera" wrote: > >>>>> "SW" == Steve Werby writes: > > SW> I recently installed Mailman 2.1 on a machine running Apache 1.3.20. > SW> Mailman is installed in a central location and made available to all virtual > SW> sites via an Apache ScriptAlias directive. The lists function properly and > SW> all are accessible, but are not listed on the listinfo page even though > > I discovered the hard way that the vhost under which the list will be > displayed depends on the url set in the list. unfortunately there's > no way to change that URL from the web. you need to use the > bin/uri_fix.py (or something like that) script to set the url > correctly. Then it finds your site based on the vhost. Thanks Vivek. That got me on the right track. For the benefit of others, here's what I did in order to setup lists @foo.bar, make the advertised lists visible at host.foo.bar and prevent them from being visible at host.bar.com (or any other hostname). They can still be accessed through host.bar.com (obviously), but they're just not listed which is all that's important to me. I setup a global Mailman install for the server using the Apache Alias directive (Apache 1.3.x). 1. Setup lists in Sendmail using @foo.bar. 2. Run ./bin/withlist -l -r fix_url --urlhost=host.foo.bar 3. Edit Mailman/mm_cfg.py and add the following so Mailman's address shows as mailman @foo.bar, not @host.foo.bar: def add_virtualhost(urlhost, emailhost=None): DOT = '.' if emailhost is None: emailhost = DOT.join(urlhost.split(DOT)[1:]) VIRTUAL_HOSTS[urlhost.lower()] = emailhost.lower() add_virtualhost( 'host.foo.bar', 'foo.bar' ) I am pretty sure I found the above code in the source tarball (I copied/pasted it a few days ago). I program in several languages, but not Python...yet. There may be a better/different way, but this worked for me. All is good. YMMV. -- Steve Werby President, Befriend Internet Services LLC http://www.befriend.com/ From tmaddox at thereinc.com Tue Feb 4 23:02:16 2003 From: tmaddox at thereinc.com (Tom Maddox) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:02:16 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling VERP In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030204191839.03795978@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: > > > >So, is it possible to disable the VERP functionality in some > fashion? My > > > >users would prefer to have regular From: and Reply-to: > headers, not the > > > >irritating VERP ones. I'm hesitant to make changes to the > > > VERP_FORMAT and > > > >VERP_REGEXP lines in mm_cfg.py without knowing precisely what > > > effect doing > > > >so will have, plus I'm not entirely sure that those are the > > > lines I should > > > >be changing. > > > > > > > >TIA, > > > > > > > >Tom > > > > > You shouldn't need to change VERP_FORMAT and VERP_REGEXP to > > > disable VERP'ing > > > > > > The following variables should disable VERP'ed return addresses: > > > > > > VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = 0 > > > VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = 0 > > > VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 0 > > > VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = 0 > > > > > > If these are set so (installation default ??) then your users > > > shouldn't be > > > seeing VERP'ed return addresses > > > >Good theory, but sadly false. I didn't configure anything special when I > >upgraded to 2.1, and I'm getting the VERP headers. > > > > > Odd because this is exactly the setup I have with MM 2.1 and Mailman does > not send out VERP'ed return address. But it did for a period when I set > VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 to evaluate the performance impact of VERP'ing > (and flush out a few irritating untraceable bouncing mail > addresses). When > I changed back to VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 0, return addresses stopped > being VERP'ed and the outgoing mail started being chunked again. I tried twiddling the VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL setting, but it made no difference. From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Tue Feb 4 23:25:10 2003 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:25:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling VERP In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030204191839.03795978@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <4553.65.198.68.222.1044397510.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> Tom Maddox said: > I tried twiddling the VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL setting, but it made no > difference. Hey Tom... a couple of questions (forgive me if they sound silly, or if they've already been asked): 1) Are you changing ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py--not ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py? (and if you're changing Defaults.py, you may want to check mm_cfg.py... however, in practice you really don't want to muck with Defaults.py...) 1) Have you stopped & restarted Apache? (apachectl stop && apachectl start(ssl)) 2) Have you stopped & restarted mailman? (mailmanctl restart) 3) Have you made sure you don't have more than one instance of mailman installed? (This was a cause of much headache for me at one point, when I didn't realize that I had a "test" install that was "active"...) Hopefully this will help, or at least get you on the right track in finding out what's going on... G. --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear "All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals"-Charge of the Goddess From tmaddox at thereinc.com Tue Feb 4 23:42:10 2003 From: tmaddox at thereinc.com (Tom Maddox) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:42:10 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling VERP In-Reply-To: <4553.65.198.68.222.1044397510.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> Message-ID: > > I tried twiddling the VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL setting, but it made no > > difference. > > Hey Tom... a couple of questions (forgive me if they sound silly, or if > they've already been asked): > > 1) Are you changing ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py--not > ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py? (and if you're changing Defaults.py, you may > want to check mm_cfg.py... however, in practice you really don't want to > muck with Defaults.py...) Yep, I'm changing mm_cfg.py. > 1) Have you stopped & restarted Apache? (apachectl stop && apachectl > start(ssl)) > > 2) Have you stopped & restarted mailman? (mailmanctl restart) No and no. I thought that the Python code got run each time a new message was received. If that's not the case, that may explain part of my problem. From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 4 23:51:10 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 22:51:10 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling VERP In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030204191839.03795978@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030204224134.00a99de8@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 22:02 04/02/2003, Tom Maddox wrote: > > > > >So, is it possible to disable the VERP functionality in some > > fashion? My > > > > >users would prefer to have regular From: and Reply-to: > > headers, not the > > > > >irritating VERP ones. I'm hesitant to make changes to the > > > > VERP_FORMAT and > > > > >VERP_REGEXP lines in mm_cfg.py without knowing precisely what > > > > effect doing > > > > >so will have, plus I'm not entirely sure that those are the > > > > lines I should > > > > >be changing. > > > > > > > > > >TIA, > > > > > > > > > >Tom > > > > > > > You shouldn't need to change VERP_FORMAT and VERP_REGEXP to > > > > disable VERP'ing > > > > > > > > The following variables should disable VERP'ed return addresses: > > > > > > > > VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = 0 > > > > VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = 0 > > > > VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 0 > > > > VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = 0 > > > > > > > > If these are set so (installation default ??) then your users > > > > shouldn't be > > > > seeing VERP'ed return addresses > > > > > >Good theory, but sadly false. I didn't configure anything special when I > > >upgraded to 2.1, and I'm getting the VERP headers. > > > > > > > > > Odd because this is exactly the setup I have with MM 2.1 and Mailman does > > not send out VERP'ed return address. But it did for a period when I set > > VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 to evaluate the performance impact of VERP'ing > > (and flush out a few irritating untraceable bouncing mail > > addresses). When > > I changed back to VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 0, return addresses stopped > > being VERP'ed and the outgoing mail started being chunked again. > >I tried twiddling the VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL setting, but it made no >difference. It looks like the code that initiates VERP'ed return addresses is in $prefix/Mailman/Handlers/ToOutgoing.py and is enacted in $prefix/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py. I cannot see anything in those modules that would lead to VERP'ing without one of the appropriate variable being true. What exactly is being logged by your SMTP host for the messages which your users complain of? From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Wed Feb 5 00:00:18 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 23:00:18 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling VERP In-Reply-To: References: <4553.65.198.68.222.1044397510.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030204225212.00a9e060@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 22:42 04/02/2003, Tom Maddox wrote: > > > I tried twiddling the VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL setting, but it made no > > > difference. > > > > Hey Tom... a couple of questions (forgive me if they sound silly, or if > > they've already been asked): > > > > 1) Are you changing ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py--not > > ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py? (and if you're changing Defaults.py, you may > > want to check mm_cfg.py... however, in practice you really don't want to > > muck with Defaults.py...) > >Yep, I'm changing mm_cfg.py. > > > 1) Have you stopped & restarted Apache? (apachectl stop && apachectl > > start(ssl)) > > > > 2) Have you stopped & restarted mailman? (mailmanctl restart) > >No and no. I thought that the Python code got run each time a new message >was received. If that's not the case, that may explain part of my problem. A Mailman delivery script is run by the MTA to deliver each post to Mailman. This just sticks the message in queue for further processing. In MM 2.1 the $prefix/bin/mailmanctl script starts a daemon which takes incoming posts from the queue and eventually sends out the copies of the posted message to the subscribers. With MM 2.1, if you change $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py, you need to run the command '$prefix/bin/mailmanctl restart' to get the daemon to take notice of the changes in mm_cfg. This is in contrast to MM 2.0 .x where it wasn't a daemon that did the real stuff but a script that was run regularly by cron. With that arrangement, the next invocation of the script picked up any changes in mm_cfg without you having to do anything. From j-devenish at users.sourceforge.net Wed Feb 5 01:46:52 2003 From: j-devenish at users.sourceforge.net (James Devenish) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 08:46:52 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't admin pending messages -- me too In-Reply-To: <1044370687.2294.4.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <20030204091155.GA8787@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> <1044370687.2294.4.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030205004651.GA20271@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> In message <1044370687.2294.4.camel at Anns1.nc.rr.com> on Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 09:58:02AM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: > If you redirect a POST using mod_redirect, you lose Yes, that is what appears to be happening. It seems that the admindb web forms (and e-mail to list admins) point to the (old) address. The other admin forms, such as 'admin' use relative URLs and work fine. So for some reason, parts of the lists think they are at the old address (even though I had updated the mm_cfg.py during the move). I had a look at the list's (in fact all lists') config.pck files and I can see the old addresses sitting there. The variable is web_page_url. However, I am yet to find mention of this anywhere in the Mailman admin interface (so I don't know how to change it). So I have three problems: - old web address has been stored in config.pck and therefore overlooked in our move, since we only changed mm_cfg.py - admindb behaves differently to admin - can't find a way to change web_page_url on a list-by-list using the web admin interface, even though the config_list, move_list, withlist scripts will possibly do this right (looking into it now). From j-devenish at users.sourceforge.net Wed Feb 5 02:02:20 2003 From: j-devenish at users.sourceforge.net (James Devenish) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:02:20 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't admin pending messages -- me too In-Reply-To: <20030205004651.GA20271@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030204091155.GA8787@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> <1044370687.2294.4.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <20030205004651.GA20271@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030205010220.GA20622@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> In message <20030205004651.GA20271 at gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> on Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 08:46:52AM +0800, James Devenish wrote: > config_list, move_list, withlist scripts will Hmm, doesn't seem to match my Mailman 2.1 installation. Nevertheless, the important part for me was its config_list example, which did work for me. Although it said: attribute "web_page_url" changed Non-standard property restored: web_page_url Why "non-standard"?? And is there a way to make a list go and use the default pattern from mm_cfg.py? From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Feb 5 04:09:25 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 04 Feb 2003 22:09:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't admin pending messages -- me too In-Reply-To: <20030205004651.GA20271@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030204091155.GA8787@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> <1044370687.2294.4.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <20030205004651.GA20271@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <1044414569.1639.30.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Look at ~mailman/bin/fix_url.py. HtH - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 19:46, James Devenish wrote: > In message <1044370687.2294.4.camel at Anns1.nc.rr.com> > on Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 09:58:02AM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: > > If you redirect a POST using mod_redirect, you lose > > Yes, that is what appears to be happening. It seems that the admindb web > forms (and e-mail to list admins) point to the (old) address. The other > admin forms, such as 'admin' use relative URLs and work fine. So for > some reason, parts of the lists think they are at the old address (even > though I had updated the mm_cfg.py during the move). I had a look at the > list's (in fact all lists') config.pck files and I can see the old > addresses sitting there. The variable is web_page_url. However, I am yet > to find mention of this anywhere in the Mailman admin interface (so I > don't know how to change it). So I have three problems: > > - old web address has been stored in config.pck and therefore > overlooked in our move, since we only changed mm_cfg.py > - admindb behaves differently to admin > - can't find a way to change web_page_url on a list-by-list > using the web admin interface, even though the > config_list, move_list, withlist scripts will > possibly do this right (looking into it now). > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From j-devenish at users.sourceforge.net Wed Feb 5 04:22:38 2003 From: j-devenish at users.sourceforge.net (James Devenish) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:22:38 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't admin pending messages -- me too In-Reply-To: <1044414569.1639.30.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <20030204091155.GA8787@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> <1044370687.2294.4.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <20030205004651.GA20271@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> <1044414569.1639.30.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030205032238.GA23779@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> In message <1044414569.1639.30.camel at Anns1.nc.rr.com> on Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:09:25PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: > Look at ~mailman/bin/fix_url.py. Yes, I was going to mention that but the notes at the top of the file said "This script is intended to be run as a bin/withlist script, i.e. bin/withlist -l -r fix_url listname [options]". I wasn't clear on when I would be prompted for an address. Because I had multiple lists to move over, I didn't want to do this interactively and so I used config_list, since an explicit example was given on the Mailman website. Thanks anyway. From j-devenish at users.sourceforge.net Wed Feb 5 05:25:14 2003 From: j-devenish at users.sourceforge.net (James Devenish) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:25:14 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't admin pending messages -- me too In-Reply-To: <20030205032238.GA23779@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030204091155.GA8787@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> <1044370687.2294.4.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <20030205004651.GA20271@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> <1044414569.1639.30.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <20030205032238.GA23779@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030205042514.GA25178@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> In message <20030205032238.GA23779 at gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> on Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 11:22:38AM +0800, James Devenish wrote: > In message <1044414569.1639.30.camel at Anns1.nc.rr.com> > on Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:09:25PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: > > Look at ~mailman/bin/fix_url.py. [...] > I wasn't clear on when I would be prompted for an address. Whoops, I now see that the description is on the """ line, above the synopsis sentence. But the code makes it look like it sets the list's web address to be the same as the default, and the list then uses that stored value rather than the default. So I would people generally have to consider doing fix_url when doing a site-wide web address change? General questions (almost rhetorical, since Mailman seems to be working for me for the time being): - is this behaviour generally true of the way mm_cfg.py is used by Mailman? - should Mailman users expect other hidden variables to require updating in a migration? (Though, given everything we changed in our system, it does seem to be the only problem.) The reason I ask if that this extra migration step is something that we were not exposed to during installation or regular maintenance, and which I have failed to intuitively find in the various "lister server admin" docs. From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Feb 5 06:37:52 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 00:37:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting incorrect URL's on site In-Reply-To: <1044351550.3e3f8a3e1b1dd@webmail.monkeez.co.uk>; from lists@monkeez.co.uk on Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 09:39:10AM +0000 References: <1044351550.3e3f8a3e1b1dd@webmail.monkeez.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030205003752.B27470@dogpound.vnet.net> * Adam (lists at monkeez.co.uk) wrote: > http://mysite.mycompany.com/listinfo/mysite.company.com/admin/listname > > Obviously, no such link exists. I can see that in Defaults.py there are entries > > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mysite.mycompany.com' > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mysite.mycompany.com' > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = '%s/mailman/' Try DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/' -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Health is the slowest rate at which one can die. From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Feb 5 06:44:57 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 00:44:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Tracebacks quite a bit In-Reply-To: <20030204102432.GK13726@mtds.com>; from simon@mtds.com on Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:24:32AM +0000 References: <20030204102432.GK13726@mtds.com> Message-ID: <20030205004457.C27470@dogpound.vnet.net> * Simon White (simon at mtds.com) wrote: > I just ran check_db --verbose --all > > I got this during run (although all other output seemed to suggest the > dbs were OK) > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? > main() > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main > qrunner.run() > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run > filecnt = self._oneloop() > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in _oneloop > msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 144, in > dequeue > data = self._ext_read(dbfile) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 245, in > _ext_read > dict = marshal.load(fp) > ValueError: bad marshal data > > I also only just added the list mailman, it seemed to work, however it > didn't email me a welcome letter or an admin notification email, > although now test mails to the list do work. It looks like your using mailman 2.0.something (with the presence of qrunner). Have you tried reloading your config.db? # dumpdb listsdir/listdir/config.db >> temp.config # config_list -i temp.config listname Commands just off the top fo my head. Use at your own risk. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ I appreciate your not breathing while I smoke From shaun at linuxhost.cc Wed Feb 5 07:35:02 2003 From: shaun at linuxhost.cc (Shaun W. Kruger) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 23:35:02 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] pipermail config problem Message-ID: I've looked through a couple of months of the mailman-users archive and the FAQ. That said I feel safe asking this... I added Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ to my Apache httpd.conf. After that I was getting things like this in my /var/log/apache/error.log... [Tue Feb 4 23:26:02 2003] [error] [client 206.71.92.238] Symbolic link not allowed: /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ikid-help/ I decided to add Options FollowSymLinks statement so I know I'm hitting the right directory, but FollowSymLinks just isn't doing what I think it should. Is there something else in my httpd.conf I'm missing? I'm no Apach expert so it's quite possible there's something else I've missed. Shaun shaun at linuxhost.cc From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Wed Feb 5 07:42:50 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 15:42:50 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] pipermail config problem References: Message-ID: <3E40B26A.9030701@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> > > Options FollowSymLinks > section. Use Options Indexes FollowSymLinks -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From simon at mtds.com Wed Feb 5 09:12:51 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 08:12:51 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setup Issues In-Reply-To: <001c01c2cca6$89c67f80$6501a8c0@nightmar> References: <002b01c2cbc6$2d8354e0$6501a8c0@nightmar> <20030204163514.GC22134@mtds.com> <001c01c2cca6$89c67f80$6501a8c0@nightmar> Message-ID: <20030205081251.GA23098@mtds.com> 04-Feb-03 at 17:38, drmichaelmason (drmichaelmason at umaai.org) wrote : > Don't know what to include, this is not my forte. > > mailman version: 2.0.13 > > I don't have any logs, as I stated, the information just seems to disappear. > As for other evidence, I will be glad to get what I can if you tell me what > you need. I have never used mailman before so I am unsure what information > you might need. Did you set up the web interface? -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From simon at mtds.com Wed Feb 5 09:17:16 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 08:17:16 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Tracebacks quite a bit In-Reply-To: <20030205004457.C27470@dogpound.vnet.net> References: <20030204102432.GK13726@mtds.com> <20030205004457.C27470@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: <20030205081716.GC23098@mtds.com> 05-Feb-03 at 00:44, Matthew Davis (matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net) wrote : > It looks like your using mailman 2.0.something (with the presence of > qrunner). Have you tried reloading your config.db? Mailman 2.1 > # dumpdb listsdir/listdir/config.db >> temp.config > # config_list -i temp.config listname > > Commands just off the top fo my head. Use at your own risk. Well I don't think that it is a config problem as such, everything works. But sometimes Python is running 3 or 4 processes each with over 10M of RAM, which is causing the poor machine some pain and slowness.. I'm going to upgrade the RAM in that box and then see what happens. -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From chris at lifeforce.de Wed Feb 5 11:28:13 2003 From: chris at lifeforce.de (Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ]) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:28:13 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] htaccess-Restriction does not work References: <20030202185240.1c5247e4.lists@monkeez.co.uk><008e01c2caef$a41aa7c0$025ca8c0@lf> <000801c2cbb4$09288f00$025ca8c0@lf> Message-ID: <004801c2cd01$4b31a000$025ca8c0@lf> third time i am trying to get an answer: is there no url or whatever, where i can read, how to get this htaccess-restriction to work? please help me! > hi ! > > i want to have a .htaccess file for the archive and for the page to > subscribe... i don't want to disallow an ip... (no directory-directive > wanted in httpd) > > but where do i have to place this htaccess file??? i have tried in > /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/ > and > /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ > but without any success ... > > i am using mailman 2.0.13 > > > any ideas? > > thanks for any help in advance From dinouk at orange.net Wed Feb 5 11:32:16 2003 From: dinouk at orange.net (dino) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:32:16 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Security. Message-ID: <001201c2cd01$dc3bc080$62454ed5@roswell> Hi All, I was just wondering what kind of security mailman offers, as far as protecting user passwords goes? A techy friend of mine has just kindly emailed me a list of all users and their passwords! Looking at my server logs it would appear that he snuck in somehow via anonymous ftp. Would closing the anon. ftp service stop mailman working in anyway, or dya reckon he got in some place else? Cheers Dino From simon at mtds.com Wed Feb 5 11:34:52 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:34:52 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] htaccess-Restriction does not work In-Reply-To: <004801c2cd01$4b31a000$025ca8c0@lf> References: <000801c2cbb4$09288f00$025ca8c0@lf> <004801c2cd01$4b31a000$025ca8c0@lf> Message-ID: <20030205103452.GP23098@mtds.com> 05-Feb-03 at 11:28, Chris [ www.LiFEFORCE.de ] (chris at lifeforce.de) wrote : > third time i am trying to get an answer: is there no url or whatever, where > i can read, how to get this htaccess-restriction to work? Apache documentation will be most helpful here, it's only indirectly anything to do with mailman. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/howto/htaccess.html That should help. -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From john at io.com Wed Feb 5 12:27:19 2003 From: john at io.com (John Buttery) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 05:27:19 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Security. In-Reply-To: <001201c2cd01$dc3bc080$62454ed5@roswell> References: <001201c2cd01$dc3bc080$62454ed5@roswell> Message-ID: <20030205112719.GA13655@io.com> * dino [2003-02-05 10:32:16 -0000]: > I was just wondering what kind of security mailman offers, as far as > protecting user passwords goes? Pretty much none. It emails them cleartext once a month, for starters. The list signup page explicitly instructs subscribers not to use important passwords (even in bold!). The intent of the password system in Mailman (this is my interpretation, not backed up with any actual information) is to protect against malicious [un]subscriptions of others by casual idiots on the Net, not against determined attackers. > A techy friend of mine has just kindly emailed me a list of all users > and their passwords! Looking at my server logs it would appear that he > snuck in somehow via anonymous ftp. Then you have an incorrectly installed/configured/patched ftp server problem, not a mailman problem. :) > Would closing the anon. ftp service stop mailman working in anyway, or > dya reckon he got in some place else? I don't see why stopping an ftpd would affect mailman... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From dinouk at orange.net Wed Feb 5 12:44:10 2003 From: dinouk at orange.net (dino) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:44:10 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Security. In-Reply-To: <20030205112719.GA13655@io.com> Message-ID: <002b01c2cd0b$e73ec4a0$62454ed5@roswell> Actually he did it this way: Noticed that mydomain/mailman was browsable. Telneted to port 80 and sent a get request from there...ouch. Sorting that now Dino -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+dinouk=orange.net at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+dinouk=orange.net at python.org] On Behalf Of John Buttery Sent: 05 February 2003 11:27 To: 'Mailman users Mailing list' Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Security. * dino [2003-02-05 10:32:16 -0000]: > I was just wondering what kind of security mailman offers, as far as > protecting user passwords goes? Pretty much none. It emails them cleartext once a month, for starters. The list signup page explicitly instructs subscribers not to use important passwords (even in bold!). The intent of the password system in Mailman (this is my interpretation, not backed up with any actual information) is to protect against malicious [un]subscriptions of others by casual idiots on the Net, not against determined attackers. > A techy friend of mine has just kindly emailed me a list of all users > and their passwords! Looking at my server logs it would appear that he > snuck in somehow via anonymous ftp. Then you have an incorrectly installed/configured/patched ftp server problem, not a mailman problem. :) > Would closing the anon. ftp service stop mailman working in anyway, or > dya reckon he got in some place else? I don't see why stopping an ftpd would affect mailman... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: dinouk at orange.net Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/dinouk%40orange.net From lists at monkeez.co.uk Wed Feb 5 14:49:24 2003 From: lists at monkeez.co.uk (Adam) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:49:24 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Security. In-Reply-To: <20030205134748.1a770c6f.lists@monkeez.co.uk> References: <20030205112719.GA13655@io.com> <002b01c2cd0b$e73ec4a0$62454ed5@roswell> <20030205134748.1a770c6f.lists@monkeez.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030205134924.78061e39.lists@monkeez.co.uk> On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:47:48 +0000 Adam wrote: > On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:44:10 -0000 > "dino" wrote: > > > Actually he did it this way: > > > > Noticed that mydomain/mailman was browsable. > > > > Telneted to port 80 and sent a get request from there...ouch. > > > > Sorting that now > > > > Dino > > > The fact that telnet is open pretty much says everything about this sysadmin's approach to security. -- Public Key available from www.monkeez.co.uk/public_key.asc From barry at python.org Wed Feb 5 15:08:59 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:08:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Security. References: <001201c2cd01$dc3bc080$62454ed5@roswell> Message-ID: <15937.6907.613635.757130@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "d" == dino writes: d> I was just wondering what kind of security mailman offers, as d> far as protecting user passwords goes? User passwords are considered a lower value asset, so while it should not be possible for unauthorized users or list admins to get them, they can still be transmitted in the clear (either via the monthly reminders -- which can be turned off, or by unprotected http login). To support the monthly reminders, user passwords are kept in the database in cleartext. Anyone with shell access and permissions to the Mailman installation can get them. d> A techy friend of mine has just kindly emailed me a list of all d> users and their passwords! Looking at my server logs it would d> appear that he snuck in somehow via anonymous ftp. This must have been a local system vulnerability. Mailman doesn't use ftp, anonymous or otherwise. d> Would closing the anon. ftp service stop mailman working in d> anyway, or dya reckon he got in some place else? On your system, sure, if that's how he got in. But this isn't an attack inherent to Mailman, AFAIK. -Barry From barry at python.org Wed Feb 5 15:11:15 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:11:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Security. References: <20030205112719.GA13655@io.com> <002b01c2cd0b$e73ec4a0$62454ed5@roswell> Message-ID: <15937.7043.784114.403277@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "d" == dino writes: d> Actually he did it this way: d> Noticed that mydomain/mailman was browsable. d> Telneted to port 80 and sent a get request from there...ouch. d> Sorting that now More details, please. E.g. exactly what url did he get? -Barry From dinouk at orange.net Wed Feb 5 15:12:28 2003 From: dinouk at orange.net (dino) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:12:28 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Security. In-Reply-To: <20030205134748.1a770c6f.lists@monkeez.co.uk> Message-ID: <003801c2cd20$9f19c930$62454ed5@roswell> Well I rent a virtual server and now use SSH. But have been told that I can't turn telnet off...sounds like rubbish to me but hey. But I do have 99.9% shell access, so there should be a way, I am looking into it now. Dino -----Original Message----- From: Adam [mailto:lists at monkeez.co.uk] Sent: 05 February 2003 13:48 To: dinouk at orange.net Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Security. On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:44:10 -0000 "dino" wrote: > Actually he did it this way: > > Noticed that mydomain/mailman was browsable. > > Telneted to port 80 and sent a get request from there...ouch. > > Sorting that now > > Dino > The fact that telnet is open pretty much says everything about this sysadmin's approach to security. -- Public Key available from www.monkeez.co.uk/public_key.asc From barry at python.org Wed Feb 5 15:17:36 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:17:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Security. References: <20030205112719.GA13655@io.com> <002b01c2cd0b$e73ec4a0$62454ed5@roswell> <20030205134748.1a770c6f.lists@monkeez.co.uk> <20030205134924.78061e39.lists@monkeez.co.uk> Message-ID: <15937.7424.842693.269891@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "A" == Adam writes: A> The fact that telnet is open pretty much says everything about A> this sysadmin's approach to security. Actually, using the telnet /client/ to connect to port 80 is a pretty natural thing to do. It should connect to the web server running on port 80. (I don't know where ftp comes into the picture.) -Barry From jimpop at rocketship.com Wed Feb 5 15:45:05 2003 From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:45:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Security. In-Reply-To: <002b01c2cd0b$e73ec4a0$62454ed5@roswell> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: dino > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 6:44 AM > > Actually he did it this way: > > Noticed that mydomain/mailman was browsable. > > Telneted to port 80 and sent a get request from there...ouch. Your web browser "telnets" to port 80 all day long. :) -Jim P. From df at dune.org Wed Feb 5 16:01:41 2003 From: df at dune.org (df at dune.org) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:01:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Per Virtual domain customizations Message-ID: <019301c2cd27$7dbd1ec0$6901a8c0@arrakis> Hello I've been reading Simon's post regarding the possible mailman users > mysql synchronisation. In a website we develop (www.urbanshadows.com), we propose to our users to subscribe to a mailman mailling list; We also propose the users to choose beetween a different list of topics. Those users login/passwd/prefered_topics are stored in a mysql database. According to one of Simons post i understood their might be a way to synch the users.. Now my question would be, aside adding/deleting users, could we also specify witch topics the users choosed ? Is there a binary intended to modify mailman's user topic settings ? Otherwise some file of some sort that could be parsed/edited to modify those settings ? Final note, i don't know i can ask you this Simon, but do you think you can paste us your script to synch mailman > mysql ..? (would understand if you prefer to keep it private). Anyways , Best regards. df. From martin at placerouge.org Wed Feb 5 16:26:21 2003 From: martin at placerouge.org (Martin Timm) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:26:21 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Urgent help required Message-ID: <1376299887.20030205162621@placerouge.org> Hello, I have installed Postfix 19993112 02 and Mailman 2.1 Mailman is neither sending any messages outbound nor forwarding mails to members. There is also no damon-message coming back. I cannot trace the mails as it looks like they are not in any spooling files. It's like the are ending up nowhere. When I am changing the owner of the mail-gid to a wrong one, postfix reports back that forwarding is not possible due to the wrong group. Mailman is updating the aliasfile and the aliases are written into the postfix-alias-db. The aliases are written as "|alias" the mailman-loop is written as /var/mailman/data/owner-bounces.mbox In postfix full domains are given as out/in bound info and no virtuell domains are set up (nor are necessary). So far it looks right. I also made a symbl link to the smscr dir. I would not mind offering root access if of any help. I have really no idea why the error occures. -- Best regards, Martin mailto:martin at placerouge.org ---- yahoo-im: communarde ICQ: 172460740 - nick: communarde57 http://boese-liebe.de From simon at mtds.com Wed Feb 5 16:29:03 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:29:03 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Per Virtual domain customizations In-Reply-To: <019301c2cd27$7dbd1ec0$6901a8c0@arrakis> References: <019301c2cd27$7dbd1ec0$6901a8c0@arrakis> Message-ID: <20030205152903.GC23847@mtds.com> 05-Feb-03 at 16:01, df at dune.org (df at dune.org) wrote : > I've been reading Simon's post regarding the possible mailman users > > mysql synchronisation. > > In a website we develop (www.urbanshadows.com), we propose to our > users to subscribe to a mailman mailling list; We also propose the > users to choose beetween a different list of topics. > Those users login/passwd/prefered_topics are stored in a mysql database. > > According to one of Simons post i understood their might be a way to synch the users.. > > Now my question would be, aside adding/deleting users, could we also > specify witch topics the users choosed ? Is there a binary intended > to modify mailman's user topic settings ? > Otherwise some file of some sort that could be parsed/edited to modify > those settings ? > > Final note, i don't know i can ask you this Simon, but do you think > you can paste us your script to synch mailman > mysql ..? (would > understand if you prefer to keep it private). Hi Well first of all it works MS-SQL-> Mailman. Not MySQL. So, it's in ASP (but would be trivial to convert to PHP/MySQL) Here's the gory dirty hack details:- - A page is called in ASP which contains POST data comprising an email address either for subscription/unsubscription. - This script updates the DB which itself has a field recevoirLettreInfo which is true if subscribed, otherwise false (people may be "members" without being subscribers to the list). The DB Primary Key field is also required in case of duplicate entries. - This appends one of two files, either a flat list of new members to subscribe or one to unsubscribe - An FTP access is created for the Linux Server, which will log the user directly into the folder where the text files are kept Then, on the Linux server:- - A cron job runs every night doing this sort of thing 45 1 * * * /usr/local/bin/ncftpget -DD \ ftp://user:pass at server.domain.com/unsub.txt 46 1 * * * /usr/local/bin/ncftpget -DD \ ftp://user:pass at server.domain.com/subsc.txt You need to install ncftpget. The -DD deletes the file if successfully retrieved. Then cron runs a script to do updating, looks like this:- 50 1 * * * /path/to/subunsub That file is attached, along with the ASP file for what it's worth. If anyone converts it to PHP (I don't have the time) I'd appreciate receiving a copy. I have anonymised the scripts a bit, if there's anything private in there then I'm counting on your discretion, list readers. The output of the ASP script (to the browser) is in French. If you think you need a translation, then you probably don't understand the script well enough... subunsub is a simple bash script. It sends email to anyone you care to specify, in order to let them know who was subscribed and who was unsubscribed. Problems: - this only happens once a day, because it's not important for us to get people subscribed straight away. however, you could have cron look at the files more often without causing problems. - if someone subscribes via email (we disallow this because of that) then they won't be in the SQL DB. However, it also means they can only use the web form to unsubscribe. (oh, and the web form is NOT the Mailman web form, but a simple HTML page with two text boxes: one to subscribe with NAME="subsc" and one to unsubscribe with NAME="unsub") Neither of these files will work out-of-the-box on your systems. You have been warned. Hope this helps, -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 -------------- next part -------------- <% ' ' By Simon White. Credit where credit's due. ' ' test Dim unsub, subsc, verif, connString, conn, rs, sSQL, count whichFN=server.mappath("/mailing/unsub.txt") whichFN2=server.mappath("/mailing/subsc.txt") unsub = request.querystring("unsub") subsc = request.querystring("subsc") count = 0 if unsub <> "" then count=count+1 if subsc <> "" then count=count+1 if count > 1 then response.write "

Erreur: deux cases remplies, je ne peux pas d?cider quoi faire..." response.end end if ' DSN-less connection model, YMMV ' 'connString = "Provider=SqlOLEDB;Network Library=DBMSSOCN;" & _ ' "Data Source=DATABASE_SERVER;" &_ ' "Initial Catalog=dabatbase;" & _ ' "User Id=user;" &_ ' "Password=letmein;" ' set conn = Server.CreateObject("ADODB.Connection") set rs = Server.CreateObject("ADODB.Recordset") 'conn.open connString conn.open "DSN","user","pass" set rs.ActiveConnection = conn if unsub <> "" then sSQL = "SELECT IdentifiantPdc, email FROM coordonnees WHERE email='" & unsub & "';" rs.Open sSQL if rs.EOF then response.write "Adresse email non trouv?e" rs.close unsub="" else do while not rs.EOF IDtogo = rs.fields("IdentifiantPdc") response.write "Nom: " & rs.fields("nom") response.write "
Prenom: " & rs.fields("prenom") response.write "
Email: " & rs.fields("email") sSQL = "UPDATE coordonnees SET recevoirLettreInfo=0 WHERE IdentifiantPdc='" & IDtogo & "';" conn.execute sSQL response.write "

Cette personne est maintenant d?sabonn?e." rs.MoveNext loop rs.close ' Add the email to the list for batching later Set fstemp = server.CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject") if not fstemp.FileExists(whichFN) then ' create the file Set filetemp = fstemp.CreateTextFile(whichFN, false) filetemp.WriteLine(unsub) filetemp.Close else ' open it and add some lines forappending = 8 set filetemp=fstemp.OpentextFile(whichFN, forappending) filetemp.writeline(unsub) filetemp.close end if set filetemp=nothing set fstemp=nothing If err.number=0 then response.write "

Un fichier de synchronisation a ?t? correctement gen?r?." else response.write "VBScript Errors Occured!
" response.write "Error Number=#" & err.number & "
" response.write "Error Desc. =" & err.description & "
" response.write "Help Path =" & err.helppath & "
" response.write "Native Error=" & err.nativeerror & "
" response.write "Error Source =" & err.source & "
" response.write "SQL State=#" & err.sqlstate & "
" end if end if end if if subsc <> "" then sSQL = "SELECT IdentifiantPdc, email FROM coordonnees WHERE email='" & subsc & "';" rs.Open sSQL if rs.EOF then response.write "Adresse email non trouv?e" subsc="" rs.close else do while not rs.EOF response.write "
Email: " & rs.fields("email") sSQL = "UPDATE coordonnees SET recevoirLettreInfo=1 WHERE IdentifiantPdc='" & rs.fields("IdentifiantPdc") & "';" conn.execute sSQL response.write "

Cette personne est maintenant abonn?e ? la liste
" rs.MoveNext loop rs.close ' Add the email to the list for batching later Set fstemp = server.CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject") if not fstemp.FileExists(whichFN2) then ' create the file Set filetemp = fstemp.CreateTextFile(whichFN2, false) filetemp.WriteLine(subsc) filetemp.Close else ' open it and add some lines forappending = 8 set filetemp=fstemp.OpentextFile(whichFN2, forappending) filetemp.writeline(subsc) filetemp.close end if set filetemp=nothing set fstemp=nothing If err.number=0 then response.write "

Un fichier de synchronisation a ?t? correctement gen?r?." else response.write "VBScript Errors Occured!
" response.write "Error Number=#" & err.number & "
" response.write "Error Desc. =" & err.description & "
" response.write "Help Path =" & err.helppath & "
" response.write "Native Error=" & err.nativeerror & "
" response.write "Error Source =" & err.source & "
" response.write "SQL State=#" & err.sqlstate & "
" end if end if end if conn.close set rs=nothing set conn=nothing %> -------------- next part -------------- #!/bin/bash ## ## Simple Bash Script by Simon White. ## Credit where credit's due ## if [ -f /root/unsub.txt ] then # file exists, so we can remove_members # /home/mailman/bin/remove_members -f /root/unsub.txt -N List-Name liste=`cat /root/unsub.txt` echo "To: Person at tonotify.com" > /root/unsubmessage echo "Subject: The unsubscribers have been treated" >> /root/unsubmessage echo "Unsubscribed: " >> /root/unsubmessage echo $liste >> /root/unsubmessage echo "." >> /root/unsubmessage cat /root/unsubmessage | /usr/sbin/sendmail -F "Mailman Mailing Server" -t sleep 10 rm -f /root/unsub.txt fi if [ -f /root/subsc.txt ] then # file exists, so we can subscribe members # /home/mailman/bin/add_members -w n -r /root/subsc.txt List-Name liste=`cat /root/subsc.txt` noliste=`cat /root/subsc.txt | wc -l` echo "To: Person at tonotify.com" > /root/submessage echo "Subject: The subscribers have been sorted" >> /root/submessage echo "Subscribed: " >> /root/submessage echo "New subscribers today: $noliste" >> /root/submessage echo $liste >> /root/submessage echo "." >> /root/submessage cat /root/submessage | /usr/sbin/sendmail -F "Mailman Mailing Server" -t sleep 10 rm -f /root/subsc.txt fi From simon at mtds.com Wed Feb 5 16:33:37 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:33:37 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Urgent help required In-Reply-To: <1376299887.20030205162621@placerouge.org> References: <1376299887.20030205162621@placerouge.org> Message-ID: <20030205153337.GF23847@mtds.com> 05-Feb-03 at 16:26, Martin Timm (martin at placerouge.org) wrote : > I have installed Postfix 19993112 02 and Mailman 2.1 That's a very old Postfix with a new Mailman. > Mailman is neither sending any messages outbound nor forwarding mails > to members. There is also no damon-message coming back. I cannot trace > the mails as it looks like they are not in any spooling files. It's > like the are ending up nowhere. Try to find some ways to trace things. Any mail sending attemps will be in Postfix logs. Mailman will log things too. -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Wed Feb 5 16:35:57 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 15:35:57 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Security. In-Reply-To: <002b01c2cd0b$e73ec4a0$62454ed5@roswell> References: <20030205112719.GA13655@io.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030205151735.044298d8@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 11:44 05/02/2003, dino wrote: >Actually he did it this way: > >Noticed that mydomain/mailman was browsable. What additions did you make to your server's httpd.conf to support running mailman >Telneted to port 80 and sent a get request from there...ouch. In effect like every other request to your server. >Sorting that now Re the telnet thing, there is nothing to sort as regards using a telnet client to connect to a HTTP server. But, if you are saying you run a telnet server exposed to the internet on you server, you really should consider switching to running SSH and cease and desist the telnet server. This problem is likely to be due to poor setup of your httpd.conf. >Dino > >-----Original Message----- >From: mailman-users-bounces+dinouk=orange.net at python.org >[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+dinouk=orange.net at python.org] On Behalf Of >John Buttery >Sent: 05 February 2003 11:27 >To: 'Mailman users Mailing list' >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Security. > > >* dino [2003-02-05 10:32:16 -0000]: > > I was just wondering what kind of security mailman offers, as far as > > protecting user passwords goes? > > Pretty much none. It emails them cleartext once a month, for >starters. The list signup page explicitly instructs subscribers not to >use important passwords (even in bold!). The intent of the password >system in Mailman (this is my interpretation, not backed up with any >actual information) is to protect against malicious [un]subscriptions of >others by casual idiots on the Net, not against determined attackers. > > A techy friend of mine has just kindly emailed me a list of all users > > and their passwords! Looking at my server logs it would appear that he > > > snuck in somehow via anonymous ftp. If your httpd server and httpd.conf setup is sound then it should not be possible to access the files storing MM's user passwords via the HTTP server. If you've got a insecure ftp setup on your server then anything is possible and God or the devil will surely punish you. > Then you have an incorrectly installed/configured/patched ftp server >problem, not a mailman problem. :) > > > Would closing the anon. ftp service stop mailman working in anyway, or > > > dya reckon he got in some place else? > > I don't see why stopping an ftpd would affect mailman... > >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > John Buttery > (Web page temporarily unavailable) >------------------------------------------------------------------------ From A.S.Harwood at rl.ac.uk Wed Feb 5 16:47:39 2003 From: A.S.Harwood at rl.ac.uk (Harwood, AS (Andrew) ) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:47:39 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change 'from' address for admin messages Message-ID: <49F73BEED865D3119F8700902773C9F9025F06AE@exchange09.rl.ac.uk> I am having difficulty working out how I can change the 'from' address that mailman admin messages come from. I have set up mailman on our machine tornado.badc.rl.ac.uk. I would prefer that mail appears to come from 'ncas.nerc.ac.uk', which is a valid alias for this machine. How do I do this? I have tried setting 'Host name this list prefers for email', but this does not appear to make any difference. What determines which host the messages appear to come from? Thanks. Andrew Harwood Infrastructure Manager BADC, Rutherford Appleton Laboratory From jimpop at rocketship.com Wed Feb 5 15:51:02 2003 From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:51:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Security. In-Reply-To: <20030205134924.78061e39.lists@monkeez.co.uk> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:49 AM > > The fact that telnet is open pretty much says everything about > this sysadmin's approach to security. The fact that you confused "telnet 80" with "telnet " says volumes about your sysadmin skills. :) People, you can use telnet to connect to any port and view the raw connection data on that port. See this URL for how to send email via telnet: http://www.exzilla.net/docs/smtp/telnet_smtp.php -Jim P. From barry at python.org Wed Feb 5 17:06:57 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:06:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attention Mailman Hosting Sites Message-ID: <15937.13985.60266.13096@gargle.gargle.HOWL> A long while ago, I offered to put up a page listing sites that offered commercial Mailman list hosting services. Sadly, I don't have the time to maintain this or even put it together. However, there is a MoinMoin page (think: Wiki) listing general Python hosting services, of which Mailman is included. I encourage all Mailman hosting facilities to add entries to the page: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/PythonHosting There is currently only one Mailman hosting site listed. The MoinMoin is on the honor system, and you don't need a password to add content to it. If you do add an entry, be sure to include the word "Mailman" so the page is easy to search. Cheers, -Barry From martin at placerouge.org Wed Feb 5 17:13:02 2003 From: martin at placerouge.org (Martin Timm) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:13:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Urgent help required In-Reply-To: <20030205153337.GF23847@mtds.com> References: <1376299887.20030205162621@placerouge.org> <20030205153337.GF23847@mtds.com> Message-ID: <1322603071.20030205171302@placerouge.org> Hello Simon, Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 4:33:37 PM, you wrote: SW> Try to find some ways to trace things. Any mail sending attemps will be SW> in Postfix logs. Mailman will log things too. Feb 5 15:33:51 cailte postfix/smtpd[4951]: connect from sleet.ispgateway.de[62.67.200.125] Feb 5 15:33:51 cailte postfix/smtpd[4951]: 7CC5A2B0125: client=sleet.ispgateway.de[62.67.200.125] Feb 5 15:33:51 cailte postfix/cleanup[4952]: 7CC5A2B0125: message-id=<42522878.20030205152325 at boese-liebe.de> Feb 5 15:33:51 cailte postfix/qmgr[30568]: 7CC5A2B0125: from=, size=1152 (queue active) Feb 5 15:33:51 cailte Mailman mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "postfix", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "mailman". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "postfix", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mailman'. Feb 5 15:33:51 cailte postfix/smtpd[4951]: disconnect from sleet.ispgateway.de[62.67.200.125] Feb 5 15:33:51 cailte postfix/local[4953]: 7CC5A2B0125: to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (Command died with status 2: "/var/mailman/mail/mailman request adminliste". Command output: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "postfix", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "mailman". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "postfix", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mailman'. ) Feb 5 15:33:51 cailte postfix/cleanup[4952]: 896ED2B0129: message-id=<20030205143351.896ED2B0129 at cailte.de> Feb 5 15:33:51 cailte postfix/qmgr[30568]: 896ED2B0129: from=<>, size=2843 (queue active) Feb 5 15:33:52 cailte postfix/smtp[4956]: 896ED2B0129: to=, relay=mailin2.ispgateway.de[62.67.200.125], delay=1, status=sent (250 ok 1044455090 qp 17133) Here I had changed the group to a wrong one: Result: Bounce Message Feb 5 15:47:18 cailte postfix/smtpd[8254]: connect from sleet.ispgateway.de[62.67.200.125] Feb 5 15:47:18 cailte postfix/smtpd[8254]: C25482B0125: client=sleet.ispgateway.de[62.67.200.125] Feb 5 15:47:18 cailte postfix/cleanup[8255]: C25482B0125: message-id=<42522878.20030205152325 at boese-liebe.de> Feb 5 15:47:18 cailte postfix/qmgr[30568]: C25482B0125: from=, size=1152 (queue active) Feb 5 15:47:18 cailte postfix/smtpd[8254]: disconnect from sleet.ispgateway.de[62.67.200.125] Feb 5 15:47:18 cailte postfix/local[8257]: C25482B0125: to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent ("|/var/mailman/mail/mailman request adminliste") Here the group is right. Shows: Message sent. But no reaction. No message received by mailman through wrapper. Feb 5 15:56:07 cailte postfix/smtpd[8263]: connect from sleet.ispgateway.de[62.67.200.125] Feb 5 15:56:07 cailte postfix/smtpd[8263]: E81F82B0125: client=sleet.ispgateway.de[62.67.200.125] Feb 5 15:56:07 cailte postfix/cleanup[8264]: E81F82B0125: message-id=<42522878.20030205152325 at boese-liebe.de> Feb 5 15:56:07 cailte postfix/qmgr[30568]: E81F82B0125: from=, size=1152 (queue active) Feb 5 15:56:07 cailte postfix/smtpd[8263]: disconnect from sleet.ispgateway.de[62.67.200.125] Again no message came through. Outbound (php-file) Feb 5 17:00:26 cailte postfix/pickup[9680]: 5BE812B0128: uid=48 from= Feb 5 17:00:26 cailte postfix/cleanup[9726]: 5BE812B0128: message-id=<20030205160026.5BE812B0128 at cailte.de> Feb 5 17:00:26 cailte postfix/qmgr[9681]: 5BE812B0128: from=, size=685 (queue active) Feb 5 17:00:26 cailte postfix/smtp[9728]: 5BE812B0128: to=, relay=mailin2.ispgateway.de[62.67.200.125], delay=0, status=sent (250 ok 1044460283 qp 16394) Message was sent (but was not mailman) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ As far as I understand: postfix believed to have the messages forwarded to mailman. But mailman never received them. I have no idea what happens there and where the mails are going... Does anybody has any idea? -- Best regards, Martin mailto:martin at placerouge.org ---- yahoo-im: communarde ICQ: 172460740 - nick: communarde57 http://boese-liebe.de From pioppo at ferrara.linux.it Wed Feb 5 17:24:46 2003 From: pioppo at ferrara.linux.it (Simone Piunno) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:24:46 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Security. In-Reply-To: References: <20030205134924.78061e39.lists@monkeez.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030205162446.GA5096@pioppo.wired> mercoled?, 05 febbraio 2003 alle 09:51:02, Jim Popovitch ha scritto: > People, you can use telnet to connect to any port and view the raw > connection data on that port. See this URL for how to send email via actually, telnet does NOT show you the RAW connection data (it does terminal emulation, intercepting control sequences). For real raw data you should use netcat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/netcat/ or, even better, nc6: http://freshmeat.net/projects/nc6/ Regards, Simone Piunno -- This signature intentionally left blank From alex at phred.org Wed Feb 5 17:30:18 2003 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 08:30:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing a strange email address Message-ID: <20030205082859.X29271-100000@phred.org> One of my users subscribed with the address mailto:user at domain.com when I was running 2.0.13. Now I'm running 2.1 and he wants to unsubscribe. 2.1 won't allow him to change his settings, and when I use remove_members it reports that user at domain.com isn't a subscriber. How can I remove this user from the list? thanks, alex From jimpop at rocketship.com Wed Feb 5 17:31:35 2003 From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:31:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Security. In-Reply-To: <20030205162446.GA5096@pioppo.wired> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Simone Piunno > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:25 AM > > actually, telnet does NOT show you the RAW connection data (it does > terminal emulation, intercepting control sequences). For real raw > data you should use netcat: > Excellent point Simone. I should have used the term raw port data. The connection data is a whole different thing. Thanks for pointing that out. -Jim P. From scott at blast.com Wed Feb 5 17:59:34 2003 From: scott at blast.com (Scott R. Every) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 11:59:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem after upgrading to 2.1 Message-ID: <2147483647.1044446374@[10.1.120.1]> After upgrading, I am now getting the following error using list_members: Traceback (most recent call last): File "./list_members", line 232, in ? main() File "./list_members", line 207, in main s = formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace') UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) This happens whether I use the existing config.db file or if I use list_members from 2.0.x to dump all the users, then use add_members to add them to a new list. Again, list_members works as expected under 2.0.x, but not under 2.1. Has anyone seen this before? Does anyone know of any workarounds? I need list_members to be working for arbitrary list splitting. The list has almost 600k members which may be causing the problem, but it worked fine in 2.0.x. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks s Scott R. Every mailto:scott at blast.com Blast Inc. http://www.blast.com 1-800-24-BLAST ext 543 From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com Wed Feb 5 18:07:16 2003 From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (lhansfor at lch-assoc.com) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:07:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Security. In-Reply-To: <002b01c2cd0b$e73ec4a0$62454ed5@roswell> References: <20030205112719.GA13655@io.com> <002b01c2cd0b$e73ec4a0$62454ed5@roswell> Message-ID: <1128.66.166.165.26.1044464836.squirrel@www.lch-assoc.com> > Actually he did it this way: > > Noticed that mydomain/mailman was browsable. > > Telneted to port 80 and sent a get request from there...ouch. I do not have Telnet loaded on any of my systems, and I use tcp_wrappers to tightly control which remote sites can access any sites via ftp or secure_shell. Every day the logwatch report show many, many sites that attempted to access the various systems, but were rejected by tcp_wrapper. I don't leave any system open with the default configuration and module loads. > > Sorting that now > > Dino > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+dinouk=orange.net at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+dinouk=orange.net at python.org] On Behalf Of > John Buttery > Sent: 05 February 2003 11:27 > To: 'Mailman users Mailing list' > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Security. > > > * dino [2003-02-05 10:32:16 -0000]: >> I was just wondering what kind of security mailman offers, as far as >> protecting user passwords goes? > > Pretty much none. It emails them cleartext once a month, for > starters. The list signup page explicitly instructs subscribers not to > use important passwords (even in bold!). The intent of the password > system in Mailman (this is my interpretation, not backed up with any > actual information) is to protect against malicious [un]subscriptions of > others by casual idiots on the Net, not against determined attackers. > >> A techy friend of mine has just kindly emailed me a list of all users >> and their passwords! Looking at my server logs it would appear that he > >> snuck in somehow via anonymous ftp. > > Then you have an incorrectly installed/configured/patched ftp server > problem, not a mailman problem. :) > >> Would closing the anon. ftp service stop mailman working in anyway, or > >> dya reckon he got in some place else? > > I don't see why stopping an ftpd would affect mailman... > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > John Buttery > (Web page temporarily unavailable) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: dinouk at orange.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/dinouk%40orange.net > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/lhansfor%40lch-assoc.com From simon at mtds.com Wed Feb 5 19:20:36 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 18:20:36 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Urgent help required In-Reply-To: <1322603071.20030205171302@placerouge.org> References: <1376299887.20030205162621@placerouge.org> <20030205153337.GF23847@mtds.com> <1322603071.20030205171302@placerouge.org> Message-ID: <20030205182036.GJ23847@mtds.com> 05-Feb-03 at 17:13, Martin Timm (martin at placerouge.org) wrote : > Feb 5 15:33:51 cailte Mailman mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error. > Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group > "postfix", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as > group "mailman". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as > group "postfix", or re-run configure, providing the command line > option `--with-mail-gid=mailman'. You need to re-configure mailman... this is the problem. -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From drmichaelmason at umaai.org Wed Feb 5 19:39:12 2003 From: drmichaelmason at umaai.org (drmichaelmason) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:39:12 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setup Issues References: <002b01c2cbc6$2d8354e0$6501a8c0@nightmar> <20030204163514.GC22134@mtds.com> <001c01c2cca6$89c67f80$6501a8c0@nightmar> <20030205081251.GA23098@mtds.com> Message-ID: <004801c2cd45$e1f0b000$6501a8c0@nightmar> The whole thing is done through the web interface. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon White" To: "drmichaelmason" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 2:12 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Setup Issues > 04-Feb-03 at 17:38, drmichaelmason (drmichaelmason at umaai.org) wrote : > > Don't know what to include, this is not my forte. > > > > mailman version: 2.0.13 > > > > I don't have any logs, as I stated, the information just seems to disappear. > > As for other evidence, I will be glad to get what I can if you tell me what > > you need. I have never used mailman before so I am unsure what information > > you might need. > > Did you set up the web interface? > > -- > |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. > |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. > |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. > |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 > > From cwieland at uci.edu Wed Feb 5 20:02:48 2003 From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:02:48 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stat's Message-ID: <6ABA66D8-393C-11D7-AFBC-000393012174@uci.edu> Hello all Before re-inventing the wheel has anyone created any general reporting scripts. I need something like #of lists #number of subscribers, per list, #number of posts per list, that kind of stuff. I'm sure they'll come up with more once I get this far. Thanks in advance Con Wieland UC Irvine From tmaddox at thereinc.com Wed Feb 5 20:08:21 2003 From: tmaddox at thereinc.com (Tom Maddox) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:08:21 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling VERP In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030204224134.00a99de8@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: > It looks like the code that initiates VERP'ed return addresses is in > $prefix/Mailman/Handlers/ToOutgoing.py and is enacted in > $prefix/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py. > > I cannot see anything in those modules that would lead to > VERP'ing without > one of the appropriate variable being true. > > What exactly is being logged by your SMTP host for the messages > which your > users complain of? It looks like two messages get logged by sendmail for a given email: Feb 5 10:55:46 mail2 sm-mta[49256]: h15Itjct049253: to="|/local/mailman/mail/ma ilman post listname", ctladdr= (26/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30914, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent Followed by: Feb 5 10:55:47 mail2 sm-mta[49261]: h15Itlct049261: from=, size=1694, class=-30, nrcpts=10, msgid=, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1] In that same time-frame, the following message appears in Mailman's "post" log: Feb 05 10:55:48 2003 (41415) post to listname from listname-bounces at domain.c om, size=1694, success So, before Mailman posts the message to the list, it's already rewritten the header of the message to appear to be from the "-bounces" address. Does that shed any light on the issue? Thanks, Tom From scratch at xmission.com Wed Feb 5 22:20:58 2003 From: scratch at xmission.com (Warren Woodward) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:20:58 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] remove_members without notification? Message-ID: <20030205142058.A13747@xmission.com> My archive searches have been a bit unclear on this. Using Mailman version 2.0.11, can I delete all members of a list without having notification sent to them? One of our hosted lists has ~5500 members, and the list admin needs to upload a whole new, audited list of addresses. Seeing as most of the members will be readded immediately, we'd like to avoid the confusion of having them all sent unsubscription notices. -- warren woodward XMission DSL Domo/Mailman warrenw at xmission.com (801) 303-0819 (877) XMISSION "The United States, as the world knows, will never start a war." -JFK, American University, June 10, 1963 From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Feb 5 22:53:15 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 05 Feb 2003 16:53:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't admin pending messages -- me too In-Reply-To: <20030205042514.GA25178@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030204091155.GA8787@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> <1044370687.2294.4.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <20030205004651.GA20271@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> <1044414569.1639.30.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <20030205032238.GA23779@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> <20030205042514.GA25178@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <1044481999.2229.77.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Well we've entered the philosophical realm here... I agree 100% with you. The Unix way is to give the power to the user and "let them shoot their foot off" if that's what they want (or at least what they tell the system they want to do). Barry moved the URL section out of the config_list dump/input and out of the Web-admin so that folks couldn't change it easily. We had a lot of users screwing around with the value and then breaking their ability to get back to the Web-admin. This is mega-bad for folks who are simply running a hosting service. By that logic I can see removing it from the Web-admin, but IMO it should have been left in the config_list dump. So, if I can easily hack the config_list command to include changing the url then I'll do that, and put it where other folks can get to it. That way you can use a tool you are more comfortable with and which is already documented to do the job. Yeah - Open Source! Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 23:25, James Devenish wrote: > In message <20030205032238.GA23779 at gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> > on Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 11:22:38AM +0800, James Devenish wrote: > > In message <1044414569.1639.30.camel at Anns1.nc.rr.com> > > on Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:09:25PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: > > > Look at ~mailman/bin/fix_url.py. > [...] > > I wasn't clear on when I would be prompted for an address. > > Whoops, I now see that the description is on the """ line, above the > synopsis sentence. But the code makes it look like it sets the list's > web address to be the same as the default, and the list then uses that > stored value rather than the default. So I would people generally have > to consider doing fix_url when doing a site-wide web address change? > > General questions (almost rhetorical, since Mailman seems to be working > for me for the time being): > - is this behaviour generally true of the way mm_cfg.py is used > by Mailman? > - should Mailman users expect other hidden variables to require > updating in a migration? (Though, given everything we changed > in our system, it does seem to be the only problem.) > > The reason I ask if that this extra migration step is something that > we were not exposed to during installation or regular maintenance, > and which I have failed to intuitively find in the various "lister > server admin" docs. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Wed Feb 5 23:39:18 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:39:18 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature request (email confirmation) Message-ID: <20030205223918.GL25693@hq.newdream.net> It seems like it would be nice to setup a method of confirmation for *approving* messages that uses a unique token instead of the list password; while (hopefully) in most cases, the moderator will be sending approval messages over SSL or from the same machine the list is on, it seems like a bad idea to make the confirmation token the list password (especially in case you accidentally add the 'Approved:' header to the wrong message, or in case someone spoofed a message appearing to be from Mailman in order to try and scam list passwords).... How about generating a unique one time password and having people add this to the Approved: header? This would make it much harder for someone to accidentally disclose the list (or worse, site) password. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Thu Feb 6 00:00:37 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 23:00:37 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling VERP In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030204224134.00a99de8@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030205222445.03c1a2d0@pop3.demon.co.uk> Tom I think there is some confusion here about what is meant by VERP'ed address. In MM 2.0.x outgoing mail from lists came from the -admin at mailman.domain.com alias. With MM 2.1 outgoing mail from lists normally comes from the -bounces at mailman.domain.com alias. This isn't VERP'ed mail. It is just a change in originator alias which goes along with some other changes aimed at improving the subsequent handling of any outbound email from Mailman that bounces. From your mail log it doesn't appear that the outgoing mail from your system is being VERP'ed. With VERP'ing each outgoing mail is specific to the destination email address and encodes that destination in the originator email alias. So, for instance, mail to me from a list would be from -bounces+r.barrett=openinfo.demon.co.uk at mailman.domain.com. Note how my email address of r.barrett at opeinfo.demon.co.uk is encoded in that originator email alias. The purpose of Verp'ing is to deal with the situation where mail to someone passes through a MTA that rewrites the destination and that subsequently bounces. Without VERP'ing the message sent back to mailman has lost the original destination. Mailman only sees the rewritten destination in the returned mail and cannot correlate that with any known subscriber of the list and hence handle the bounce appropriately. With a VERP'ed sender the original destination is embedded in the address to which the bounced email is returned. Thus regardless of re-writing of the destination of mail going out, if it is returned Mailman can reliably identify the subscriber whose mail is being bounced. Does that resolve the problem for you? Regards Richard btw: There would normally be a minimum of four entries in a sendmail log associated with a message posted to a list if the Mailman local sendmail instance is alos the SMTP server being used to handle the outgoing mail (I cannot speak to other MTAs as I do not use them): 1. a 'from' entry for the message being received by the Mailman-local sendmail instance from some other, relaying, MTA 2. a 'to' entry for sendmail delivering the message to Mailman. This will have the same message identifier string as 'from' entry (1) 3, a 'from' entry for sendmail sending the posting out to one or more subscribers. There may be several of these depending on the number of different domains the outgoing mail is being sent to, the number of list subscribers and othe factors. If VERP'ing is being applied there will be one of these entries for each list subscriber. 4. 'to' entries having the same message identifier string(s) as the 'from' entries (3) for each transfer of the outgoing mail to some other, relaying, MTA If you have the patience and access you can track mail from source to destination by matching the seemingly random identifier strings. Its pretty much a 100% audit trail for all mail that flows. Take a look at the full headers of this eamil when you get it and you can see how it got from me to you. The Mailman post and smtp logs will have entires that tie in with those in the sendmail logs. At 19:08 05/02/2003, Tom Maddox wrote: > > > > It looks like the code that initiates VERP'ed return addresses is in > > $prefix/Mailman/Handlers/ToOutgoing.py and is enacted in > > $prefix/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py. > > > > I cannot see anything in those modules that would lead to > > VERP'ing without > > one of the appropriate variable being true. > > > > What exactly is being logged by your SMTP host for the messages > > which your > > users complain of? > >It looks like two messages get logged by sendmail for a given email: > >Feb 5 10:55:46 mail2 sm-mta[49256]: h15Itjct049253: >to="|/local/mailman/mail/ma >ilman post listname", ctladdr= (26/0), delay=00:00:01, >xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30914, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent > >Followed by: > >Feb 5 10:55:47 mail2 sm-mta[49261]: h15Itlct049261: >from=, size=1694, class=-30, nrcpts=10, >msgid=9300CAE4 at domain.com>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1] > >In that same time-frame, the following message appears in Mailman's "post" >log: > >Feb 05 10:55:48 2003 (41415) post to listname from listname-bounces at domain.c >om, size=1694, success > >So, before Mailman posts the message to the list, it's already rewritten the >header of the message to appear to be from the "-bounces" address. > >Does that shed any light on the issue? > >Thanks, > >Tom From tmaddox at thereinc.com Thu Feb 6 00:18:24 2003 From: tmaddox at thereinc.com (Tom Maddox) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:18:24 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling VERP In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030205222445.03c1a2d0@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: > Tom > > I think there is some confusion here about what is meant by > VERP'ed address. Evidently, you are correct. :-/ So, that's not my problem, then, but my problem remains unresolved. In a nutshell, here's what I'm observing: Prior to my "upgrade" (oh, bitter irony!) to Mailman 2.1, mail sent via a list had the following characteristics: From: User Name [user at domain.com] To: Reply-To: depending on list setting Now, the mail looks like: From: listname-bounces at domain.com on behalf of User Name [user at domain.com] To: Reply-To: Additionally, sometimes Outlook will insert the "short description" of the list into the To: field when replying, but I'm willing to believe that's a bug in Outlook. My users don't like the new From: format, and I am trying to get it back to the way it was, which seems like such a small and simple thing to do but evidently is not. Also, getting rid of the text attachments in Outlook when the footer has a different character set than the message body (also due to a new "feature" introduced in 2.1) would be delightful. Thanks for your time and patience, Tom From daniel.schoenland at speeddoesmatter.com Thu Feb 6 00:42:11 2003 From: daniel.schoenland at speeddoesmatter.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Daniel_Sch=F6nland?=) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 00:42:11 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] confirmation-mail can't be send Message-ID: <3E41A153.5000609@speeddoesmatter.com> Hello, I am new to the list, so if I'm asking something stupid, slap me in my back. =) Today I installed mailman on my Debian (Sendmail 8.12.) using apt-get. Everything went well. Then I created a list and configured the aliases file like said by mailman. Again, everything great until I startet to create a test-member and tried to confirm the confirmation-mail. I always receive an error: The original message was received at Thu, 6 Feb 2003 00:24:07 +0100 from webmail.xxx.xx [62.27.xx.xx] (may be forged) ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd support_dk" (reason: Service unavailable) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs (stat failed) 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable Reporting-MTA: dns; xxx Received-From-MTA: DNS; webmail.xxx.xx Arrival-Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 00:24:07 +0100 Final-Recipient: RFC822; support_dk-request at xxx X-Actual-Recipient: X-Unix; |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd support_dk Action: failed Status: 5.5.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 69 Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 00:24:07 +0100 What went wrong? Kind Regards, - Daniel -- Daniel Schoenland Mobil +49 170 41 92 7 29 Henrietten Weg 8 20259 Hamburg From andrew_kemp at pacific.net.au Thu Feb 6 00:52:17 2003 From: andrew_kemp at pacific.net.au (Andrew Kemp) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:52:17 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Assistance with umbrella lists Message-ID: <003a01c2cd71$9dba0e50$758317d2@ozpacnet.office.pacific.net.au> Greetings, Our organisation is migrating to Mailman from various aliases and majordomo lists. In an effort to ease management, I would like to set up lists for each office and an overall list (umbrella list) to include all the office lists. This will allow HR to easily mail the entire company. I have been reading the FAQ etc on umbrella lists and have created some test lists which work fine. In the umbrella list I have included the sub-lists as members and have also set the umbrella list to send password reminders to '-owner'. However, when I try to post to the umbrella list my message is rejected to the owner of the list due to not being a member. How can I allow all staff to post to the umbrella list without having to subscribe them individually ? I would have assumed that the umbrella list would have automatically included all the sub-list members ? Thanks. Andrew From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Feb 6 01:03:26 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 05 Feb 2003 19:03:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling VERP In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030205222445.03c1a2d0@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030204224134.00a99de8@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030205222445.03c1a2d0@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <1044489810.2233.80.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Dude! Awesome explaination - should definitely go into the FAQ... On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 18:00, Richard Barrett wrote: > Tom > > I think there is some confusion here about what is meant by VERP'ed address. > > In MM 2.0.x outgoing mail from lists came from the > -admin at mailman.domain.com alias. > > With MM 2.1 outgoing mail from lists normally comes from the > -bounces at mailman.domain.com alias. > > This isn't VERP'ed mail. It is just a change in originator alias which goes > along with some other changes aimed at improving the subsequent handling of > any outbound email from Mailman that bounces. > > From your mail log it doesn't appear that the outgoing mail from your > system is being VERP'ed. > > With VERP'ing each outgoing mail is specific to the destination email > address and encodes that destination in the originator email alias. So, for > instance, mail to me from a list would be from > -bounces+r.barrett=openinfo.demon.co.uk at mailman.domain.com. Note > how my email address of r.barrett at opeinfo.demon.co.uk is encoded in that > originator email alias. > > The purpose of Verp'ing is to deal with the situation where mail to someone > passes through a MTA that rewrites the destination and that subsequently > bounces. Without VERP'ing the message sent back to mailman has lost the > original destination. Mailman only sees the rewritten destination in the > returned mail and cannot correlate that with any known subscriber of the > list and hence handle the bounce appropriately. With a VERP'ed sender the > original destination is embedded in the address to which the bounced email > is returned. Thus regardless of re-writing of the destination of mail going > out, if it is returned Mailman can reliably identify the subscriber whose > mail is being bounced. > > Does that resolve the problem for you? > > Regards > > Richard > > btw: There would normally be a minimum of four entries in a sendmail log > associated with a message posted to a list if the Mailman local sendmail > instance is alos the SMTP server being used to handle the outgoing mail (I > cannot speak to other MTAs as I do not use them): > > 1. a 'from' entry for the message being received by the Mailman-local > sendmail instance from some other, relaying, MTA > > 2. a 'to' entry for sendmail delivering the message to Mailman. This will > have the same message identifier string as 'from' entry (1) > > 3, a 'from' entry for sendmail sending the posting out to one or more > subscribers. There may be several of these depending on the number of > different domains the outgoing mail is being sent to, the number of list > subscribers and othe factors. If VERP'ing is being applied there will be > one of these entries for each list subscriber. > > 4. 'to' entries having the same message identifier string(s) as the 'from' > entries (3) for each transfer of the outgoing mail to some other, relaying, MTA > > If you have the patience and access you can track mail from source to > destination by matching the seemingly random identifier strings. Its pretty > much a 100% audit trail for all mail that flows. Take a look at the full > headers of this eamil when you get it and you can see how it got from me to > you. > > The Mailman post and smtp logs will have entires that tie in with those in > the sendmail logs. > > At 19:08 05/02/2003, Tom Maddox wrote: > > > > > > > It looks like the code that initiates VERP'ed return addresses is in > > > $prefix/Mailman/Handlers/ToOutgoing.py and is enacted in > > > $prefix/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py. > > > > > > I cannot see anything in those modules that would lead to > > > VERP'ing without > > > one of the appropriate variable being true. > > > > > > What exactly is being logged by your SMTP host for the messages > > > which your > > > users complain of? > > > >It looks like two messages get logged by sendmail for a given email: > > > >Feb 5 10:55:46 mail2 sm-mta[49256]: h15Itjct049253: > >to="|/local/mailman/mail/ma > >ilman post listname", ctladdr= (26/0), delay=00:00:01, > >xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30914, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent > > > >Followed by: > > > >Feb 5 10:55:47 mail2 sm-mta[49261]: h15Itlct049261: > >from=, size=1694, class=-30, nrcpts=10, > >msgid= >9300CAE4 at domain.com>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1] > > > >In that same time-frame, the following message appears in Mailman's "post" > >log: > > > >Feb 05 10:55:48 2003 (41415) post to listname from listname-bounces at domain.c > >om, size=1694, success > > > >So, before Mailman posts the message to the list, it's already rewritten the > >header of the message to appear to be from the "-bounces" address. > > > >Does that shed any light on the issue? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Tom > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Thu Feb 6 01:08:14 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 09:08:14 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest message header filtering References: <1044004079.3e3a3cefc12cc@webmail.drosera.be> <3E3A626C.8000505@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <00d801c2cd70$42a02d20$b1e3043e@KEBR> Message-ID: <3E41A76E.5090801@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, Kenneth Bruyninckx wrote: > Hello, > > I followed your advice and added the line to mm_cfg.py in mailman/Mailman > I must say that I received an error when adding this line, but after I > removed the underscore from (_('English... it was accepted. Ah, _() should have been escaped. Try this. def _(s): return s LC_DESCRIPTIONS['en'] = (_('English (USA)'), 'iso-8859-1') > > But, my digest still does not show the charset info. > What could I have done wrong ? Did you restart mailman qrunner by bin/mailmanctl restart ? > > > > > kind regards, > > Kenneth. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tokio Kikuchi" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 12:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest message header filtering > > > >>Hi, >> >>I am Cc-ing this reply to the list. >>You can always change your preferred charset by adding following >>lines in your mm_cfg.py. >> >>LC_DESCRIPTIONS['en'] = (_('English (USA)'), 'iso-8859-1') >> >>This is useful if your list's main language is English but >>majority of users are from Latin-1 countries. Plain text >>digest will go out with latin characters un-replaced, I believe. >> >>kenneth at drosera.be wrote: >> >>>Hello, >>> >>>I just read your reply to a question on the mail-users list concerning >> > the > >>>extra headers. >>>What updates/patches are available in the CVS directory ? I quickly had >> > a look > >>>but was unable to find much and even less that I understood. >>>But ok, I will also upgrade to the latest CVS on a test machine first. >>> >>>Since your name pops up several times on the list I am contacting you >> > directly > >>>for a question of mine that remained unanswered. >>>How did you tackle the character-encoding problem of "us-ascii" for >> > digests ? > >>>Where do I have to make changes ? >>> >>>For your information I run MM2.1 + qmail + demime. >>>I know mails using "iso-8859-1" pass demime with flying colours, but >> > once they > >>>end up in a digest (which is us-ascii :-( ) all non-us-ascii characters >>>get "transformed". >>> >>> >>>kind regards, >>> >>>Kenneth Bruyninckx. >>> >>> -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Thu Feb 6 01:11:46 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 00:11:46 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling VERP In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030205222445.03c1a2d0@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030205234700.03c96008@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 23:18 05/02/2003, Tom Maddox wrote: > > Tom > > > > I think there is some confusion here about what is meant by > > VERP'ed address. > >Evidently, you are correct. :-/ > >So, that's not my problem, then, but my problem remains unresolved. In a >nutshell, here's what I'm observing: > >Prior to my "upgrade" (oh, bitter irony!) to Mailman 2.1, mail sent via a >list had the following characteristics: > >From: User Name [user at domain.com] >To: >Reply-To: depending on list setting > >Now, the mail looks like: > >From: listname-bounces at domain.com on behalf of User Name [user at domain.com] >To: >Reply-To: Tom I'm not that familiar with Outlook but it seems to me that is where the problem lies. Mail I receive from Mailman lists such is the email I am responding to is displayed by Eudora (which I am running on Win 2k in Sponsored mode at zero cost) with your email address as From because your email address is the value of the From header, If I expand the headers, I can see that the Return-Path header's value is because this (mailman-users) list is using personalized delivery with VERP'ing. It seems from what you describe that Outlook is determined to display as From some cack-handed combination of the From and the Reply-Path headers. The Reply-To: bit is pure fiction; no Reply-To header in the message so Outlook makes one up!! Is this behaviour by Outlook some sort of configurable option?? Or is it just the trolls at Microsoft demonstrating their idosyncratic capacity to f*** up anything they turn their hand to in an effort to prove that Bill-dom is the future??, I do not mean to be rude to you but maybe some other subscriber has the knowledge to better advise you with this matter. I'm afraid my appetite for dealing with Microsoft idosyncracies/arrogance is pretty limited and I get enough of it doing user support in my paid job. Hope you find a good solution. Regards Richard >Additionally, sometimes Outlook will insert the "short description" of the >list into the To: field when replying, but I'm willing to believe that's a >bug in Outlook. > >My users don't like the new From: format, and I am trying to get it back to >the way it was, which seems like such a small and simple thing to do but >evidently is not. Also, getting rid of the text attachments in Outlook when >the footer has a different character set than the message body (also due to >a new "feature" introduced in 2.1) would be delightful. > >Thanks for your time and patience, > >Tom From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Feb 6 02:23:45 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 05 Feb 2003 20:23:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change 'from' address for admin messages In-Reply-To: <49F73BEED865D3119F8700902773C9F9025F06AE@exchange09.rl.ac.uk> References: <49F73BEED865D3119F8700902773C9F9025F06AE@exchange09.rl.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1044494641.2233.91.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> What version of Mailman are you using and what is your MTA. Version 2.1.x has much better virtual host control. Also, Postfix has much better virtual host control than sendmail. On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 10:47, Harwood, AS (Andrew) wrote: > I am having difficulty working out how I can change the 'from' address that > mailman admin messages come from. I have set up mailman on our machine > tornado.badc.rl.ac.uk. I would prefer that mail appears to come from > 'ncas.nerc.ac.uk', which is a valid alias for this machine. How do I do > this? I have tried setting 'Host name this list prefers for email', but this > does not appear to make any difference. What determines which host the > messages appear to come from? Thanks. > > > Andrew Harwood > Infrastructure Manager > BADC, Rutherford Appleton Laboratory > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Thu Feb 6 02:29:34 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 20:29:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] confirmation-mail can't be send In-Reply-To: <3E41A153.5000609@speeddoesmatter.com>;12:42:11AM +0100 References: <3E41A153.5000609@speeddoesmatter.com> Message-ID: <20030205202934.A31871@dogpound.vnet.net> * Daniel Sch?nland (daniel.schoenland at speeddoesmatter.com) wrote: > I am new to the list, so if I'm asking something stupid, slap me in my > back. =) /me thinks about it... > Today I installed mailman on my Debian (Sendmail 8.12.) using apt-get. > Everything went well. Then I created a list and configured the aliases > file like said by mailman. Good, you said your MTA. So you probably read README.SENDMAIL right? > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd support_dk" > (reason: Service unavailable) > (expanded from: ) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs (stat failed) > 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable But from this error you didn't read README.SENDMAIL. But we're all guilty of that. How many of us really read a users manual before we crack open something new and play with it (DVD Player/blender/printer/phone?). So the command you should run is this. # ln -s /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper /etc/smrsh/wrapper It should fix your troubles. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Useless Invention: Ice skate sandals, for use in hot climates. From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Feb 6 03:08:37 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 05 Feb 2003 21:08:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stat's In-Reply-To: <6ABA66D8-393C-11D7-AFBC-000393012174@uci.edu> References: <6ABA66D8-393C-11D7-AFBC-000393012174@uci.edu> Message-ID: <1044497321.2229.117.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 14:02, Con Wieland wrote: > Hello all > > Before re-inventing the wheel has anyone created any general reporting > scripts. I need something like #of lists #number of subscribers, per > list, #number of posts per list, that kind of stuff. I'm sure they'll > come up with more once I get this far. > > Thanks in advance > Con Wieland > UC Irvine > Here is a stat's script that we use. It sends out monthly status reports to the Mailman admins as well as to each lists admin. #For the number of lists: ~mailman/bin/list_lists -b |wc -l #For the number of users in each list: for i in `~mailman/bin/list_lists -b`; do j=`~mailman/bin/list_members $i |wc -l` echo "list $i has $j members" done === mm_stats script === #! /bin/bash # Run monthly stats on Meeting maker logs # - top 10 users of each list # - Number of attempted posts (per list) # - Total bytes sent (per list) # # Mailman's log file to be examined for stats # We rotate the logs monthly and run this script # around 6am on the first of each month. # The newly rotated monthly file is post.1 POST=~mailman/logs/post.1 # create temp file to collect stats TMPFILE=`mktemp /tmp/mm_stats.XXXXXX` || exit 1 LIST="`/home/mailman/bin/list_lists |awk '{print $1}' |sed -n '2,$p'`" for i in $LIST do echo "Stats from local Mailman list: $i" > $TMPFILE echo " " >> $TMPFILE echo -n " Starting: " >> $TMPFILE head -1 $POST |cut -f1-3 "-d " >> $TMPFILE echo -n " Ending: " >> $TMPFILE tail -1 $POST |cut -f1-3 "-d " >> $TMPFILE echo " ===" >> $TMPFILE echo -n "Total posts to the list: " >> $TMPFILE grep -i "post to $i " $POST |wc -l >> $TMPFILE echo -n "Total SUCCESSFUL posts to the list: " >> $TMPFILE grep -i "post to $i " $POST |grep success |wc -l >> $TMPFILE SIZ=`grep -i "post to $i" $POST |grep success \ |cut -f2 -d= |cut -f1 -d,` k=0; for j in $SIZ; do k=$(( j + k )); done echo " Total bytes" = $k >> $TMPFILE echo " " >> $TMPFILE echo "Top 10 posters to the list:" >> $TMPFILE grep -i "post to $i " $POST |cut -f 10 "-d " |sort |uniq -c \ |sort -bgr |head -10 >> $TMPFILE echo " " >> $TMPFILE # Mail collected stats off to the list admin and cc the mailman user mail -s "Mailman Stats for List: $i" -c mailman $i-admin <$TMPFILE done # remove the temp file rm $TMPFILE === end of mm_stats script === Hope these help - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Feb 6 03:34:56 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 05 Feb 2003 21:34:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] master-qrunner.pid In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20030204122723.00b51928@vlists.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20030204122723.00b51928@vlists.net> Message-ID: <1044498899.2233.135.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> I've never seen this before, but I have seen in the code that some of the daemons are set to stop themselves if it's taking too long to run a process. I suggest that you look at the virtual server and see if you are getting enough cycles while Mailman is running. The daemon that is most sensitive to these time considerations is the archiver. Not much help, but it gives you something to look at... Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 13:27, VLists.Net Support wrote: > Someone asked about the content of the qrunner log and another some other > questions about processes and such, as well as the status of the archives. > > The archives are a bit behind. The last seven messages to the list have > yet to appear in the archive pages. In fact, I notice a huge time lag > between the last message date and the last archive time, as shown at the > bottom of the archive page when sorted by date. > > Last message date: Sun Feb 2 19:39:42 GMT 2003 > Archived on: Sun Feb 2 21:28:56 GMT 2003 > > Here's the qrunner log for the date that it apparantly last shut down and > required a manual start... > > Jan 10 00:00:21 2003 (74407) CommandRunner qrunner started. > Jan 29 06:06:47 2003 (74386) ArchRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. > Jan 29 06:06:47 2003 (74386) ArchRunner qrunner exiting. > Jan 29 06:06:47 2003 (97045) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit > (pid: 74386, sig: None, sts: 15, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) > Jan 29 06:06:54 2003 (74397) OutgoingRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. > Jan 29 06:06:54 2003 (74397) OutgoingRunner qrunner exiting. > Jan 29 06:06:55 2003 (97045) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit > (pid: 74397, sig: None, sts: 15, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) > Jan 29 06:07:02 2003 (74388) IncomingRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. > Jan 29 06:07:02 2003 (74388) IncomingRunner qrunner exiting. > Jan 29 06:07:02 2003 (97045) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit > (pid: 74388, sig: None, sts: 15, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) > Jan 29 06:07:10 2003 (74407) CommandRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. > Jan 29 06:07:10 2003 (74407) CommandRunner qrunner exiting. > Jan 29 06:07:10 2003 (97045) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit > (pid: 74407, sig: None, sts: 15, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1) > Jan 29 06:07:23 2003 (74387) BounceRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. > Jan 29 06:07:23 2003 (74387) BounceRunner qrunner exiting. > Jan 29 06:07:23 2003 (97045) Master watcher caught SIGTERM. Exiting. > Jan 29 06:07:23 2003 (74405) VirginRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. > Jan 29 06:07:23 2003 (74405) VirginRunner qrunner exiting. > Jan 29 06:07:23 2003 (74395) NewsRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. > Jan 29 06:07:23 2003 (74395) NewsRunner qrunner exiting. > Jan 29 06:07:24 2003 (97045) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit > (pid: 74387, sig: None, sts: 15, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) > Jan 29 06:07:24 2003 (97045) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit > (pid: 74395, sig: None, sts: 15, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1) > Jan 29 06:07:24 2003 (97045) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit > (pid: 74405, sig: None, sts: 15, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) > Feb 02 04:37:14 2003 (87886) BounceRunner qrunner started. > > As for the process into, here's the output from a top command, which should > take care of that... > > Jan 09 07:00:46 2003 (82843) NewsRunner qrunner exiting. > Jan 09 07:00:46 2003 (82837) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit > (pid: 82845, sig: None, sts: 15, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) > Jan 09 07:00:46 2003 (82837) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit > > last pid: 671506432; load averag 0.16, 0.35, 0.470.49 > up 24+18:50:21 01:53:03 > 25 processes: 1 running, 24 sleeping > CPU states: 0.4% user, 0.0% nice, 0.8% system, 0.0% interrupt, 98.8% idle > Mem: 613M Active, 146M Inact, 154M Wired, 48M Cache, 112M Buf, 44M Free > Swap: 1024M Total, 30M Used, 994M Free, 2% Inuse > > It should be noted that this is a virtual server. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Feb 6 03:51:24 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 05 Feb 2003 21:51:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "No mailman user found" error when building Mailman 2.1 In-Reply-To: <200302041716.h14HGKIs025544@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> References: <200302041716.h14HGKIs025544@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> Message-ID: <1044499889.2233.138.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Quoting from the Archives: ====== I've had this exact same problem installing mailman on solaris. The problem is in getting python configured properly. Make sure LD_LIBRARY_PATH points to all the right places, including wherever the SSL libraries live, and you may have to hack the Modules/Setup file in the python build directory so the appropriate modules are built and installed. Also check out the README file, the section labeled "Configuring additional built-in modules." Good luck! -Tom Shore ====== On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 12:15, Steve Rifkin wrote: > Having problems installing mailman 2.1 on a Solaris 8 Ultra 10 machine using GCC > 3.2.1 and python 2.2.2 > > I'm installing as mailman, and the configure dies with (see more below): > > > mailman> ./configure --prefix=/users/mailman --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python > --with-cgi-gid=65534 --with-mail-gid=1 > > creating cache ./config.cache > checking for --with-python... /usr/local/bin/python > checking Python interpreter... /usr/local/bin/python > checking Python version... 2.2.2 > checking that Python has a working distutils... yes > checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/local/bin/install -c > checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes > checking for true... /usr/local/bin/true > checking for --without-gcc... no > checking for gcc... gcc > checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes > checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) is a cross-compiler... no > checking whether we are using GNU C... yes > checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes > checking whether #! works in shell scripts... yes > checking for --with-var-prefix... no > checking for --with-permcheck... yes > checking for --with-username... mailman > checking for user name "mailman"... Traceback (most recent call last): > File "conftest.py", line 1, in ? > import pwd > ImportError: No module named pwd > cat: conftest.out: No such file or directory > configure: error: > ***** No "mailman" user found! > ***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined > ***** (usually in your /etc/passwd file). Please see the INSTALL > ***** file for details. > > ======================================================== > > As you can see below, mailman DOES exist (I'm logged in as mailman). > > > mailman> grep mailman /etc/passwd > mailman:x:10:44:mailadm LOCAL:/users/mailman:/bin/csh > > mailman> whoami > > How can I get past this error? Is it a python error? If so, what would you > suggest I do get the build to find the correct pwd module? > > Thanks! > > Steve Rifkin > steve410 at cs.jhu.edu > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From pat.finnerty at hp.com Mon Feb 3 12:46:49 2003 From: pat.finnerty at hp.com (Pat Finnerty) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 11:46:49 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Losing text from Outlook emails. Message-ID: <3E3E56A9.7030301@hp.com> I've noticed that emails that are sent from Outlook with embedded objects lose any text when archived by pipermail. Example. This appears in the archive: _________________________________________________ Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 31368 bytes Desc: disk_layout.jpg Url : http://soggey.ilo.cpqcorp.net/pipermail/test/attachments/20030203/8a290e49/attachment.jpe ________________________________________ The embedded object - in this case a jpeg file - is stripped out as an attachment. Thats fine, but where's me text gone? Anyone know of away around this? - Pat. -- p: +353-91-754722 e: pat.finnerty at hp.com From staff at netribe.it Mon Feb 3 17:17:30 2003 From: staff at netribe.it (Staff di Netribe - ReggioNET) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 17:17:30 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pure moderator option Message-ID: <3E3E961A.2000709@netribe.it> Hello, Is it possible to setup a list so that a particular user with a particular password can only moderate the list, but cannot modify other options (like subscribe/unsubscribe, general options, privacy options, etc.)? Thank you for attention. Regards. -- ___________________________________________________________________ Staff staff at netribe.it ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? NETRIBE srl :: Collaborative E-Business 42100 :: Reggio Emilia :: Italy :: Via della Costituzione, 27/4 ph. +39 0522 232378 :: fax +39 0522 232386 :: http://www.netribe.it ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? From flanagan at wdn.com Tue Feb 4 23:11:24 2003 From: flanagan at wdn.com (root) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 17:11:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature query Message-ID: <3E403A8C.1000702@wdn.com> Friends, In reading the web site and scanning the documentation, it appears that subscribers provide only their names and email addresses. Is there a facility in mailman to collect additional demographics, such as job title (pull down list), opt-in buttons, and company name (fill in)? Thanks, Bill Flanagan -- _______________________________________________________ ViewsLetter(sm) on Provisioning Published by www.flanagan-consulting.com W. A. Flanagan, Inc. info at flanagan-consulting.com 45472 Holiday Drive Ph: +1.703.242.8381 Sterling, VA 20166 Fx: +1.703.242.8391 From fraga at myrealbox.com Wed Feb 5 15:18:50 2003 From: fraga at myrealbox.com (Daniel Fraga) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 12:18:50 -0200 (BRST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1 Message-ID: Bug in Mailman version 2.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 169, in main change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 1263, in change_options send_admin_notif, invitation) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 888, in ApprovedAddMember kind, formataddr((email, name))) File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 106, in formataddr return '%s%s%s <%s>' % (quotes, name, quotes, address) UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- ---- Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Oct 22 2002, 22:38:59) [GCC 3.2] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr/local sys.exec_prefix /usr/local sys.path /usr/local sys.platform linux2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- ---- Environment variables: Variable Value HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, */* CONTENT_TYPE multipart/form-data; boundary=---------------------------7d31de344f40514 HTTP_REFERER http://abusar.org/mailman/admin/associados-abusar/members/add SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) mod_perl/1.27 mod_gzip/1.3.26.1a PHP/4.3.0 REDIRECT_STATUS 200 SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin SERVER_ADMIN fraga at myrealbox.com SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admin SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.27 Server at www.abusar.org Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD POST HTTP_HOST abusar.org PATH_INFO /associados-abusar/members/add REDIRECT_URL /mailman/admin/associados-abusar/members/add SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL no-cache REQUEST_URI /mailman/admin/associados-abusar/members/add CONTENT_LENGTH 14423 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; Q312461; .NET CLR 1.0.3705) HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive HTTP_COOKIE associados-abusar+admin=28020000006975e5403e7328000000326231633563373666 6461 3638323131303836373037363263613363383064663261356666346635 SERVER_NAME www.abusar.org REMOTE_ADDR 200.207.188.90 REMOTE_PORT 3194 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE pt-br PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman PATH_TRANSLATED /home/belforts/web/abusar/associados-abusar/members/add SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate SERVER_ADDR 192.168.90.2 DOCUMENT_ROOT /home/belforts/web/abusar -- http://Processo.tk From ptadi at roshitech.com Wed Feb 5 18:25:25 2003 From: ptadi at roshitech.com (Prasad Tadi) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:25:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation and Configuration help on Mailman Message-ID: Hi, I am using MAILMAN 2.0.13 and installed and configured every thing ( I hope). I can browse the archives and can send mails to Archive. But none of the list members gets any notification. When looked further I found the following LOG message to my mailman (root) account. I am NOT planning to use NNTP servers. Is it a MUST? Do I have to have a NNTP service running on my system? Any help / pointers are appreciated! Regards Prasad ============= LOG from my mail ================ >From mailman Wed Feb 5 09:15:01 2003 Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:15:00 -0500 From: root at orange.intrahomenet.com (Cron Daemon) To: mailman at orange.intrahomenet.com Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S //usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: Traceback (innermost last): File "//usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ? main() File "//usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main process_lists(lock) File "//usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 148, in process_lists conn, first, last = open_newsgroup(mlist) File "//usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 75, in open_newsgroup password=mm_cfg.NNTP_PASSWORD) File "//usr/local/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 111, in __init__ self.sock.connect((self.host, self.port)) socket.error: (111, 'Connection refused') ====== Together we can build a better process ====== http://www.roshitech.com/profile/ cell : 603-557-7978 From p.feral at worldnet.att.net Thu Feb 6 06:57:23 2003 From: p.feral at worldnet.att.net (PRISCILLA FERAL) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 21:57:23 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] foamembers Message-ID: <000901c2cda4$a1fabd10$6ba45a0c@FRIENDSF5E843U> While trying to create Mailman list foamembers at list.friendsofanimals.org, I there was a problem when I attempted to mass subscribe members. I deleted the list, but a welcome message was sent out, and replies received. I cannot access the replies, because the list doesn't exist, and I can't recreate the list under the same name because I get an error message stating the list is still on the server. Any suggestions? Bob Orabona foamembers at friendsofanimals.org From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Feb 6 04:41:52 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 05 Feb 2003 22:41:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem after upgrading to 2.1 In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1044446374@[10.1.120.1]> References: <2147483647.1044446374@[10.1.120.1]> Message-ID: <1044502916.2233.146.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> I suggest that you need to check the configuration of the file (~mailman/bin/check_db). I believe the error indicates that while reading the config.pck file (and dumping out the member names) that it found values that are not Ascii. The list is large enough that you could have had a problem in the upgrade. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 11:59, Scott R. Every wrote: > After upgrading, I am now getting the following error using list_members: > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "./list_members", line 232, in ? > main() > File "./list_members", line 207, in main > s = formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace') > UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) > > This happens whether I use the existing config.db file or if I use > list_members from 2.0.x to dump all the users, then use add_members to add > them to a new list. Again, list_members works as expected under 2.0.x, but > not under 2.1. Has anyone seen this before? Does anyone know of any > workarounds? > > I need list_members to be working for arbitrary list splitting. > > The list has almost 600k members which may be causing the problem, but it > worked fine in 2.0.x. Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > s > > Scott R. Every mailto:scott at blast.com > Blast Inc. http://www.blast.com > 1-800-24-BLAST ext 543 > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From fernando at schapachnik.com.ar Thu Feb 6 04:43:15 2003 From: fernando at schapachnik.com.ar (Fernando Schapachnik) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 00:43:15 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer (fwd) Message-ID: <20030206034315.GC448@funes.schapachnik.com.ar> Remember the thread about getting external footers? Here is where I got stuck. The only remaining issue is how to add an attribute to existing mailing lists. Any ideas? Thanks! En un mensaje anterior, Tom Neff escribi?: > If you have the ability to patch your Mailman installation, you could > add a new variable name (like mlist.fortune) to the ALLOWEDS array in > Mailman/Gui/Digest.py and then use the 'withlist' command to set this > variable to a new value every so often, and include it in the msg_footer So I did it. I also added: self.external_footer = '' in MailList.py:InitVars() and d['external_footer'] = mlist.external_footer in Handlers/Decorate.py:process() (line 38). I can set the footer with 'withlist', but the problem is that previous lists don't have the external_footer field so they blow with: File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 130, in __getattr__ raise AttributeError, name AttributeError: external_footer How do I add the new attribute to the existing lists? Thanks! Fernando P. Schapachnik fernando at schapachnik.com.ar From alex at phred.org Thu Feb 6 05:25:29 2003 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 20:25:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing a strange email address In-Reply-To: <1044504617.2233.148.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030205202514.M29271-100000@phred.org> The web-admin doesn't work either. Is there a guide to using withlist anywhere? alex On 5 Feb 2003, Jon Carnes wrote: > Can you remove him using the Web-admin? > If not, then you may need to use ~mailman/bin/withlist > > On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 11:30, alex wetmore wrote: > > One of my users subscribed with the address mailto:user at domain.com > > when I was running 2.0.13. Now I'm running 2.1 and he wants to > > unsubscribe. 2.1 won't allow him to change his settings, and when > > I use remove_members it reports that user at domain.com isn't a > > subscriber. > > > > How can I remove this user from the list? > > > > thanks, > > alex > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Feb 6 05:40:07 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 05 Feb 2003 23:40:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem after upgrading to 2.1 In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1044486636@[10.1.120.1]> References: <2147483647.1044446374@[10.1.120.1]> <1044502916.2233.146.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <2147483647.1044486636@[10.1.120.1]> Message-ID: <1044506411.2233.162.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Have you tried a ~mailman/bin/dumpdb on the config.pck for the list. It would dump out the users - multiple times: once for language, once for members, once for passwords, and once for user options. You might even be able to pin-point the problem point. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 23:10, Scott R. Every wrote: > > > --On Wednesday, February 5, 2003 10:41 PM -0500 Jon Carnes > wrote: > > > I suggest that you need to check the configuration of the file > > (~mailman/bin/check_db). I believe the error indicates that while > > this was done for both the original db and the newly imported db created > from the list_members program in 2.0.x. Both checked out OK. > > > reading the config.pck file (and dumping out the member names) that it > > found values that are not Ascii. > > How would one go about tracking this down? i cannot really view the list > with the list_member tool and the web access is far too slow to be of use. > > any python wizards out there who could shed more light on the error below? > > > > > > The list is large enough that you could have had a problem in the > > upgrade. > > > > Good Luck - Jon Carnes > > Thanks for the advice. > > s > > > > > On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 11:59, Scott R. Every wrote: > >> After upgrading, I am now getting the following error using list_members: > >> Traceback (most recent call last): > >> File "./list_members", line 232, in ? > >> main() > >> File "./list_members", line 207, in main > >> s = formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace') > >> UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) > >> > >> This happens whether I use the existing config.db file or if I use > >> list_members from 2.0.x to dump all the users, then use add_members to > >> add them to a new list. Again, list_members works as expected under > >> 2.0.x, but not under 2.1. Has anyone seen this before? Does anyone > >> know of any workarounds? > >> > >> I need list_members to be working for arbitrary list splitting. > >> > >> The list has almost 600k members which may be causing the problem, but > >> it worked fine in 2.0.x. Any help would be appreciated. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> s > >> > >> Scott R. Every mailto:scott at blast.com > >> Blast Inc. http://www.blast.com > >> 1-800-24-BLAST ext 543 > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------ > >> Mailman-Users mailing list > >> Mailman-Users at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > >> Searchable Archives: > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >> > >> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > >> Unsubscribe or change your options at > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > > From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Feb 6 05:42:49 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 05 Feb 2003 23:42:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing a strange email address In-Reply-To: <20030205202514.M29271-100000@phred.org> References: <20030205202514.M29271-100000@phred.org> Message-ID: <1044506575.2233.164.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> There are examples in the file On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 23:25, alex wetmore wrote: > The web-admin doesn't work either. > > Is there a guide to using withlist anywhere? > > alex > > On 5 Feb 2003, Jon Carnes wrote: > > > Can you remove him using the Web-admin? > > If not, then you may need to use ~mailman/bin/withlist > > > > On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 11:30, alex wetmore wrote: > > > One of my users subscribed with the address mailto:user at domain.com > > > when I was running 2.0.13. Now I'm running 2.1 and he wants to > > > unsubscribe. 2.1 won't allow him to change his settings, and when > > > I use remove_members it reports that user at domain.com isn't a > > > subscriber. > > > > > > How can I remove this user from the list? > > > > > > thanks, > > > alex > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > > > > > From A.S.Harwood at rl.ac.uk Thu Feb 6 09:44:42 2003 From: A.S.Harwood at rl.ac.uk (Harwood, AS (Andrew) ) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:44:42 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change 'from' address for admin messag es Message-ID: <49F73BEED865D3119F8700902773C9F9025F06B4@exchange09.rl.ac.uk> I'm using Mailman 2.1 and the sendmail that comes with Tru64 Unix (it seems to have the version number 8.8.8). > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] > Sent: 06 February 2003 01:24 > To: Harwood, AS (Andrew) > Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org' > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to change 'from' address for admin > messages > > > What version of Mailman are you using and what is your MTA. Version > 2.1.x has much better virtual host control. > > Also, Postfix has much better virtual host control than sendmail. > > On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 10:47, Harwood, AS (Andrew) wrote: > > I am having difficulty working out how I can change the > 'from' address that > > mailman admin messages come from. I have set up mailman on > our machine > > tornado.badc.rl.ac.uk. I would prefer that mail appears to come from > > 'ncas.nerc.ac.uk', which is a valid alias for this machine. > How do I do > > this? I have tried setting 'Host name this list prefers for > email', but this > > does not appear to make any difference. What determines > which host the > > messages appear to come from? Thanks. > > > > > > Andrew Harwood > > Infrastructure Manager > > BADC, Rutherford Appleton Laboratory > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Thu Feb 6 10:04:37 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 09:04:37 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Outlook issue? (was Disabling VERP) Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030206085002.03c8a1d8@pop3.demon.co.uk> This looks as though there may be a compatibility problem between mail coming from Mailman and way the Outlook MUA displays it that is worse with MM 2.1 than with MM 2.0.x. Anyone out there with experience of Microsoft products that can explain what's described below and how to correct it? > > Tom > > > > I think there is some confusion here about what is meant by > > VERP'ed address. > >Evidently, you are correct. :-/ > >So, that's not my problem, then, but my problem remains unresolved. In a >nutshell, here's what I'm observing: > >Prior to my "upgrade" (oh, bitter irony!) to Mailman 2.1, mail sent via a >list had the following characteristics: > >From: User Name [user at domain.com] >To: >Reply-To: depending on list setting > >Now, the mail looks like: > >From: listname-bounces at domain.com on behalf of User Name [user at domain.com] >To: >Reply-To: > >Additionally, sometimes Outlook will insert the "short description" of the >list into the To: field when replying, but I'm willing to believe that's a >bug in Outlook. > >My users don't like the new From: format, and I am trying to get it back to >the way it was, which seems like such a small and simple thing to do but >evidently is not. Also, getting rid of the text attachments in Outlook when >the footer has a different character set than the message body (also due to >a new "feature" introduced in 2.1) would be delightful. > >Thanks for your time and patience, > >Tom From detemple at gmx.de Thu Feb 6 11:06:27 2003 From: detemple at gmx.de (detemple at gmx.de) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:06:27 +0100 (MET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delay? Message-ID: <2285.1044525987@www12.gmx.net> Hi, when I sent an email to a mailman list it takes some minutes to even a hour until all emails are sent. On the list are about 40 people. What is the reason for the delay? Can it be reduced by changing some settings? Regards Ralf From shari at moolahranch.com Tue Feb 4 01:04:40 2003 From: shari at moolahranch.com (Moo-Lah Ranch) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 16:04:40 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML in the digest emails Message-ID: <00a601c2cbe1$0563c560$1000a8c0@ATHLON> I just set up a list and I love the mailman service.. but on Digest plain some of the messages come through with HTML mixed in with the text of the email.. Can anyone help me stop this?? From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Feb 6 05:10:08 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 05 Feb 2003 23:10:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing a strange email address In-Reply-To: <20030205082859.X29271-100000@phred.org> References: <20030205082859.X29271-100000@phred.org> Message-ID: <1044504617.2233.148.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Can you remove him using the Web-admin? If not, then you may need to use ~mailman/bin/withlist On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 11:30, alex wetmore wrote: > One of my users subscribed with the address mailto:user at domain.com > when I was running 2.0.13. Now I'm running 2.1 and he wants to > unsubscribe. 2.1 won't allow him to change his settings, and when > I use remove_members it reports that user at domain.com isn't a > subscriber. > > How can I remove this user from the list? > > thanks, > alex > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From scott at blast.com Thu Feb 6 05:10:36 2003 From: scott at blast.com (Scott R. Every) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 23:10:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem after upgrading to 2.1 In-Reply-To: <1044502916.2233.146.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <2147483647.1044446374@[10.1.120.1]> <1044502916.2233.146.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <2147483647.1044486636@[10.1.120.1]> --On Wednesday, February 5, 2003 10:41 PM -0500 Jon Carnes wrote: > I suggest that you need to check the configuration of the file > (~mailman/bin/check_db). I believe the error indicates that while this was done for both the original db and the newly imported db created from the list_members program in 2.0.x. Both checked out OK. > reading the config.pck file (and dumping out the member names) that it > found values that are not Ascii. How would one go about tracking this down? i cannot really view the list with the list_member tool and the web access is far too slow to be of use. any python wizards out there who could shed more light on the error below? > > The list is large enough that you could have had a problem in the > upgrade. > > Good Luck - Jon Carnes Thanks for the advice. s > > On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 11:59, Scott R. Every wrote: >> After upgrading, I am now getting the following error using list_members: >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "./list_members", line 232, in ? >> main() >> File "./list_members", line 207, in main >> s = formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace') >> UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) >> >> This happens whether I use the existing config.db file or if I use >> list_members from 2.0.x to dump all the users, then use add_members to >> add them to a new list. Again, list_members works as expected under >> 2.0.x, but not under 2.1. Has anyone seen this before? Does anyone >> know of any workarounds? >> >> I need list_members to be working for arbitrary list splitting. >> >> The list has almost 600k members which may be causing the problem, but >> it worked fine in 2.0.x. Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks >> >> s >> >> Scott R. Every mailto:scott at blast.com >> Blast Inc. http://www.blast.com >> 1-800-24-BLAST ext 543 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> Searchable Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Feb 6 06:12:45 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 06 Feb 2003 00:12:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Assistance with umbrella lists In-Reply-To: <003a01c2cd71$9dba0e50$758317d2@ozpacnet.office.pacific.net.au> References: <003a01c2cd71$9dba0e50$758317d2@ozpacnet.office.pacific.net.au> Message-ID: <1044508369.2233.175.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Umbrella lists are a great concept that have not yet been fully implemented in Mailman. There is an FAQ about Umbrella lists in Mailman that basically describes what they can do and some of their limitations. - Users on more than one list inside the Umbrella will receive multiple copies of an email sent to the Umbrella list. - If using a closed posting Umbrella list, you will have to use a work-around to get folks from sublists the ability to post to the list. One work-around is to use a Regular Expression to limit the posting to the list. This works well if everyone is in the same domain (and always posts from that domain address). The FAQ has a work-around script that works really well. I use it for a similar situation. http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.005.htp Good Luck On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 18:52, Andrew Kemp wrote: > Greetings, > > Our organisation is migrating to Mailman from various aliases > and majordomo lists. > > In an effort to ease management, I would like to set up lists > for each office and an overall list (umbrella list) to include > all the office lists. This will allow HR to easily mail the > entire company. > > I have been reading the FAQ etc on umbrella lists and have > created some test lists which work fine. In the umbrella list I > have included the sub-lists as members and have also set the > umbrella list to send password reminders to '-owner'. > > However, when I try to post to the umbrella list my message is > rejected to the owner of the list due to not being a member. > > How can I allow all staff to post to the umbrella list without > having to subscribe them individually ? I would have assumed that > the umbrella list would have automatically included all the sub-list > members ? > > Thanks. > > Andrew > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From gareth at uunet.co.za Thu Feb 6 12:43:41 2003 From: gareth at uunet.co.za (Gareth Hopkins) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:43:41 +0200 (SAST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] What is python doing? In-Reply-To: <1044282241.1638.7.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030206134237.U90916-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> On 3 Feb 2003, Jon Carnes wrote: JC>Some guesses (since no information was provided): JC> Mailman 2.0.x JC> IDE disk subsystem JC> Archiving turned on for list JC> JC>If that is the case, then Mailman is doing a lot of writing to the disk. Howdie, I have switched off archiving and the python process is still using over 98% CPU time. A truss on the process shows the following break(0xa7e3000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xac48000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xa7e5000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xac4c000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xa7e7000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xac50000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xa7e9000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xac54000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xa7eb000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xac58000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xa7ed000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xac5c000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xa7ef000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xac60000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xa7f1000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xac64000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xa7f3000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xac68000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xa7f5000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xac6c000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xa7f7000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xac70000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xa7f9000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xac74000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xa7fb000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xac78000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xa7fd000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xac7c000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xa7ff000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xac80000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xa801000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xac84000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xa803000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xac88000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xa805000) = 0 (0x0) break(0xac8c000) = 0 (0x0) Any ideas? --- Gareth Hopkins Server Operations UUNET South Africa (o) +27.21.658.8700 (f) +27.21.658.8552 (m) +27.82.929.6668 http://www.uunet.co.za 08600 UUNET (08600 88638) "The contents of this e-mail and any accompanying documentation is confidential and any use thereof, in whatever form, by anyone other than the addressee for whom it is intended, is strictly prohibited." From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com Thu Feb 6 14:11:51 2003 From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganeshh) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 18:41:51 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Subscribed members vanished]Looks to be simple Problem, though Strange] Message-ID: <3E425F17.5060906@lateralsoftware.com> Dear Lists I am running 30 lists on mailman 2.0.8 and out of which 20 to 25 of them are really active. The mailing system is working fine , but i like to share with you a strange behaviour with mailman, or maybe i dunno it could an human error. I added my 31st list on 23rd January and please find the below log, as it routine exercise of creating lists and mass subscribing the members, i didnt check the list members status on a daily level. To my surprise of out 9 members subscribed, only 3 of them exist. Log data for /home/mailman/logs/subscribe file Jan 23 16:27:19 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new ghh at domain.com Jan 23 16:27:19 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new user1 at domain.com Jan 23 16:27:19 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new paul_r at domain.com Jan 23 16:27:20 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new bosco at domain.com Jan 23 16:27:20 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new quality at domain.com Jan 23 16:27:20 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new claus at domain.com Jan 23 16:39:56 2003 (29838) ow-ti: pending roz.sutton at domain.com 192.168.0.3 Jan 23 16:41:03 2003 (29913) ow-ti: pending claire.paszkiewicz at domain.com 192.168.0.3 Jan 23 16:42:23 2003 (29989) ow-ti: pending robert.faulkner at domain.com 192.168.0.3 Jan 23 19:25:01 2003 (6969) ow-ti: new robert.faulkner at domain.com Jan 23 20:43:01 2003 (9498) ow-ti: new roz.sutton at domain.com Jan 29 17:58:02 2003 (16885) ow-ti: new claire.paszkiewicz at domain.com My subscribe log was not modified by anyone or tampered, and i dont find any logs of members who arent existing anymore with stamp "deleted" What could be cause of this problem... Thanks in Advance Ganeshh From lists at monkeez.co.uk Thu Feb 6 15:47:52 2003 From: lists at monkeez.co.uk (Adam) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 14:47:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lotus Notes not threading in Archive Message-ID: <1044542872.3e4275985ce00@webmail.monkeez.co.uk> Can anyone pinpoint the factor that Lotus Notes (or Bloatus Croaks) has with email which prevents it from threading emails in the archive? Is it a case of a missing header? thanks in advance. adam -- GPG public key:- www.monkeez.co.uk/public_key.asc From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Feb 6 16:32:04 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 06 Feb 2003 10:32:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] What is python doing? In-Reply-To: <20030206134237.U90916-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> References: <20030206134237.U90916-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> Message-ID: <1044545527.2211.35.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> On Thu, 2003-02-06 at 06:43, Gareth Hopkins wrote: > On 3 Feb 2003, Jon Carnes wrote: > > JC>Some guesses (since no information was provided): > JC> Mailman 2.0.x > JC> IDE disk subsystem > JC> Archiving turned on for list > JC> > JC>If that is the case, then Mailman is doing a lot of writing to the disk. > > Howdie, > > I have switched off archiving and the python process is still > using over 98% CPU time. A truss on the process shows the following I have no idea what a truss is (besides something you wear when you have a hernia). What kind of a system are running on (cpu, ram, amount of virtual memory currently in use)? How many messages/minute are you seeing pass through your system? Could it be that you are using a great deal of virtual memory (or even a little on an IDE box)? Jon Carnes From sebastian at talmon.net Thu Feb 6 16:58:55 2003 From: sebastian at talmon.net (Sebastian Talmon) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:58:55 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] remove_members without notification? In-Reply-To: <20030205142058.A13747@xmission.com> References: <20030205142058.A13747@xmission.com> Message-ID: <20030206165855.A5679@rhea.tacotec.de> Hello Warren Woodward, > One of our hosted lists has ~5500 members, and > the list admin needs to upload a whole new, audited list of addresses. > Seeing as most of the members will be readded immediately, we'd like to > avoid the confusion of having them all sent unsubscription notices. maybe sync_members (in the bin/-directory) is a good tool to try... I by myself had not used it till now, but the description sounds good: ------------------------- Synchronize a mailing list's membership with a flat file. This script is useful if you have a Mailman mailing list and a sendmail :include: style list of addresses (also as is used in Majordomo). For every address in the file that does not appear in the mailing list, the address is added. For every address in the mailing list that does not appear in the file, the address is removed. Other options control what happens when an address is added or removed. ------------------------- greetings Sebastian From gareth at uunet.co.za Thu Feb 6 17:18:50 2003 From: gareth at uunet.co.za (Gareth Hopkins) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 18:18:50 +0200 (SAST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] What is python doing? In-Reply-To: <1044545527.2211.35.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030206181543.R90916-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> On 6 Feb 2003, Jon Carnes wrote: JC>I have no idea what a truss is (besides something you wear when you have JC>a hernia). JC> JC>What kind of a system are running on (cpu, ram, amount of virtual memory JC>currently in use)? How many messages/minute are you seeing pass through JC>your system? JC> JC>Could it be that you are using a great deal of virtual memory (or even a JC>little on an IDE box)? Howdie, I am running a 4.7-STABLE Freebsd Machine. The truss command is used to trace system calls. Cpu in a PIII 500. we have 256 megs of ram and 512 Megs of swap. Disks are not busy at all. With the archive off it seems to be okay but as soon as archiving is switched on the messages start to queue up in ~/mailman/qfiles/archives and ~/mailman/qfiles/in. On one of the lists it could be up to 30 messages per minute. --- Gareth Hopkins Server Operations UUNET South Africa (o) +27.21.658.8700 (f) +27.21.658.8552 (m) +27.82.929.6668 http://www.uunet.co.za 08600 UUNET (08600 88638) "The contents of this e-mail and any accompanying documentation is confidential and any use thereof, in whatever form, by anyone other than the addressee for whom it is intended, is strictly prohibited." From jmasterson at modwest.com Thu Feb 6 19:37:02 2003 From: jmasterson at modwest.com (John Masterson) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:37:02 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python upgrade problems - Mailman 2.0.13 Message-ID: <000201c2ce0e$bdbd50c0$8200000a@magnafix> System: Redhat 7.2, Mailman 2.0.13, webservers (for web-interface) and Postfix mailserver (for crons/processing) nfs-mounting Mailman installation. After upgrading Python 1.5 (as per RHSA), public web-subscription to mailman lists no longer worked ("We've hit a bug!" -> ImportError: cannot import name Pending). So we installed Python2 on the webservers and forced Mailman to use it. Seemed to work for a few hours, and then it appeared that no lists are processing messages. The error generated every few seconds (a few dozen lists some with 10k+ members) was as follows: Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): Traceback (innermost last): Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): File "/www/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ? Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): kids = main(lock) Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): File "/www/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata) Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): File "/www/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 121, in dispose_message Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): if BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg): Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): File "/www/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 58, in ScanMessages Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): func = getattr(getattr(getattr(mod, 'Bouncers'), modname), 'process') Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): AttributeError : process My first thought was to try upgrading python on the mailserver which does the processing: rpm -ivh --nodeps python2-2.1.1-2.72.i386.rpm cd /usr/bin/ rm -f python;ln -s python2 python This created new errors in the Mailman logs: Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): Traceback (most recent call last): Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): File "/www/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ? Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): kids = main(lock) Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): File "/www/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata) Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): File "/www/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 121, in dispose_message Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): if BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg): Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): File "/www/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 57, in ScanMessages Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): mod = __import__('Mailman.Bouncers.'+modname) Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): File "/www/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Catchall.py", line 34, in ? Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): import regsub Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): File "/usr/lib/python2.1/regsub.py", line 20, in ? Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): import regex Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): ImportError : No module named regex Decided to downgrade, so then I simply did a: cd /usr/bin rm -f python; ln -s python1.5 python The errors immediately stopped being generated, and the contents of the qfiles directory dropped from 400+ files to 60 files in about 5 minutes. I guess at this point I am nervous that this will come back to haunt me, perhaps again in a few hours. Any insight or archived messages I failed to locate would be appreciated. John Masterson Modwest Powerful, Affordable Web Hosting http://www.modwest.com From kmastin at beechtree.ca Thu Feb 6 21:22:16 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:22:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] htaccess-Restriction does not work In-Reply-To: <004801c2cd01$4b31a000$025ca8c0@lf> Message-ID: >third time i am trying to get an answer: is there no url or whatever, where >i can read, how to get this htaccess-restriction to work? > >please help me! http://apache-server.com/tutorials/ATusing-htaccess.html From jsingh at fdu.edu Thu Feb 6 21:56:20 2003 From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:56:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Solaris 9 Message-ID: <009501c2ce22$33c31cb0$9a0bee84@FDUJACK> Dear Users I wanted to know if anyone had successfully installed python/Mailman on Solaris 9 OS. Thanks Jack From kmastin at beechtree.ca Thu Feb 6 23:03:59 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:03:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Security. In-Reply-To: <001201c2cd01$dc3bc080$62454ed5@roswell> Message-ID: >Hi All, > >I was just wondering what kind of security mailman offers, as far as >protecting user passwords goes? > >A techy friend of mine has just kindly emailed me a list of all users >and their passwords! Looking at my server logs it would appear that he >snuck in somehow via anonymous ftp. > >Would closing the anon. ftp service stop mailman working in anyway, or >dya reckon he got in some place else? > >Cheers > >Dino You have some big problems if this is what happened. Your entire system is insecure and ready to be (pl)ucked by anyone who has a little know-how. Anonymous ftp should chroot to a specific directory, and if a user can logon to anon-ftp and get more info then it is completely set up wrong. Closing anon-ftp is a must-do first step. Really, you should do a full system audit, or preferably format and re-install with all clean user info (user/passwd pairs), updated *_everything_* and all programs tightened down to paranoid levels. Take it as a lesson in security, and don't let it happen again is about the best you can get out of this. The real concern here is the passwords. They are supposed to be encrypted, human-unreadable except by the passwd program OR a *_sniffer_program_*. If you're friend was able to get them, so is just about any script-kiddie able to. From kmastin at beechtree.ca Fri Feb 7 00:30:22 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 18:30:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Security. In-Reply-To: <20030205134924.78061e39.lists@monkeez.co.uk> Message-ID: >On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:47:48 +0000 >Adam wrote: > >> On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:44:10 -0000 >> "dino" wrote: >> >> > Actually he did it this way: >> > >> > Noticed that mydomain/mailman was browsable. >> > >> > Telneted to port 80 and sent a get request from there...ouch. >> > >> > Sorting that now >> > >> > Dino >> > >> >The fact that telnet is open pretty much says everything about this >sysadmin's approach to security. > IIRC, he didn't say telnetd was open, just that a friend telnetted into the mailman directory via port 80(httpd) and got more than he bargained for. OP: rpm -e telnetd From warren at whoffman.com Fri Feb 7 01:06:34 2003 From: warren at whoffman.com (Warren Hoffman) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 19:06:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Subscriptions -- HELP Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030206190120.00b96e48@mail.whoffman.com> 1. We're migrating ~1500 users from Lyris - and half of them have digest specified. We have two files of subscribers - one with digest subscribers and one with everyone else. Can we 'import' the digest users in a way that the digest option is pre-selected (short of clicking each one on the membership page)? How? Ditto for some of the other options (like not getting mail from the list), but digest is critical. 2. We'd like to import real names for each user (which we have - in the files we extract from the old system). Is there a way to do this? Thanks!!! --Warren From s_angelov at filibeto.org Fri Feb 7 02:17:15 2003 From: s_angelov at filibeto.org (Stoyan Angelov) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 03:17:15 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation problem Message-ID: <00ce01c2ce46$aa5dc5e0$0d5c27d4@dev.filibeto.org> hello all, i have just installed Mailman 2.1 for the first time and i have the following problem. i followed the instructions in the INSTALL file and everything went ok to the point i had to create my first maillist. accessing the www.mysite.org/mailman/create gives me the following error: ImportError: No module named time. i checked my python installation and when i am logged as root doing: [root at myhost:/]#python Python 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 6 2003, 23:57:56) [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)] on sunos5 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import time >>> works as root... if i su - mailman and run python it fails like this: [mailman at myhost:~]$python Python 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 6 2003, 23:57:56) [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)] on sunos5 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import time Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in ? ImportError: No module named time >>> i gues it is a permissions issue or some variable i need to set ? do you have an idea ? thank you! Stoyan Angelov @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ [----- Mailman Version: 2.1 -----] [----- Traceback ------] Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 63, in run_main from Mailman.Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 18, in ? import time ImportError: No module named time [----- Python Information -----] sys.version = 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 6 2003, 23:57:56) [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)] sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python sys.prefix = /usr/local sys.exec_prefix = /usr/local sys.path = /usr/local sys.platform = sunos5 [----- Environment Variables -----] PYTHONPATH: /usr/local/mailman SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) FrontPage/5.0.2.2510 mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.6g SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create SERVER_ADMIN: support at filibeto.org SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/create SERVER_SIGNATURE:

Apache/1.3.27 Server at www.filibeto.org Port 80
From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com Fri Feb 7 04:40:38 2003 From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 22:40:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stat's In-Reply-To: <1044497321.2229.117.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <6ABA66D8-393C-11D7-AFBC-000393012174@uci.edu> <6ABA66D8-393C-11D7-AFBC-000393012174@uci.edu> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030206223421.027348e0@192.168.0.3> At 09:08 PM 2/5/2003, you wrote: >Here is a stat's script that we use. It sends out monthly status >reports to the Mailman admins as well as to each lists admin. > >#For the number of lists: > ~mailman/bin/list_lists -b |wc -l > >#For the number of users in each list: > for i in `~mailman/bin/list_lists -b`; > do > j=`~mailman/bin/list_members $i |wc -l` > echo "list $i has $j members" > done > > >=== mm_stats script === >#! /bin/bash ># Run monthly stats on Meeting maker logs ># - top 10 users of each list ># - Number of attempted posts (per list) ># - Total bytes sent (per list) ># ># Mailman's log file to be examined for stats ># We rotate the logs monthly and run this script ># around 6am on the first of each month. ># The newly rotated monthly file is post.1 >POST=~mailman/logs/post.1 > ># create temp file to collect stats >TMPFILE=`mktemp /tmp/mm_stats.XXXXXX` || exit 1 > >LIST="`/home/mailman/bin/list_lists |awk '{print $1}' |sed -n '2,$p'`" >for i in $LIST >do > echo "Stats from local Mailman list: $i" > $TMPFILE > echo " " >> $TMPFILE > echo -n " Starting: " >> $TMPFILE > head -1 $POST |cut -f1-3 "-d " >> $TMPFILE > echo -n " Ending: " >> $TMPFILE > tail -1 $POST |cut -f1-3 "-d " >> $TMPFILE > echo " ===" >> $TMPFILE > echo -n "Total posts to the list: " >> $TMPFILE > grep -i "post to $i " $POST |wc -l >> $TMPFILE > echo -n "Total SUCCESSFUL posts to the list: " >> $TMPFILE > grep -i "post to $i " $POST |grep success |wc -l >> $TMPFILE > SIZ=`grep -i "post to $i" $POST |grep success \ > |cut -f2 -d= |cut -f1 -d,` > k=0; for j in $SIZ; do k=$(( j + k )); done > echo " Total bytes" = $k >> $TMPFILE > echo " " >> $TMPFILE > echo "Top 10 posters to the list:" >> $TMPFILE > grep -i "post to $i " $POST |cut -f 10 "-d " |sort |uniq -c \ > |sort -bgr |head -10 >> $TMPFILE > echo " " >> $TMPFILE > # Mail collected stats off to the list admin and cc the mailman user > mail -s "Mailman Stats for List: $i" -c mailman $i-admin <$TMPFILE >done > ># remove the temp file >rm $TMPFILE >=== end of mm_stats script === > >Hope these help - Jon Carnes Thanks for the script, Joh! Looks great. I've trying to develop a script to run the "bin/list_members --nomail" for each mailing list once a month, with the results mailed to the list administrator. Does anyone have an easy way to accomplish that? The reason I want to generate those reports is to allow the list owners to see which members have been set to nomail due to bounces and need attention. Again, thanks! Larry From cradle at umd.edu Fri Feb 7 05:46:08 2003 From: cradle at umd.edu (David Eisner) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 23:46:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Losing text from Outlook emails. In-Reply-To: <3E3E56A9.7030301@hp.com> Message-ID: Yep. See: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-February/026082.html -David On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Pat Finnerty wrote: > I've noticed that emails that are sent from Outlook with embedded > objects lose any text when archived by pipermail. > From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com Fri Feb 7 05:49:26 2003 From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganeshh) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 10:19:26 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Urgent][Subscribed members vanished]Looks to be simple Problem, though Strange]] Message-ID: <3E433AD6.1000903@lateralsoftware.com> Dear List The below mail is critical for me, let me know the possible cause. Warm Regards Ganeshh From barry at python.org Fri Feb 7 06:13:58 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 00:13:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error: Incorrect padding??? References: Message-ID: <15939.16534.253202.994674@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "DG" == David Gibbs writes: DG> I'm getting a huge amount of these messages ... any ideas? Not off hand, but I have an idea. Can you please submit a bug report and include one of the shunted messages? Thanks, -Barry From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com Fri Feb 7 06:05:45 2003 From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganeshh) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 10:35:45 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [URGENT][Subscribers Vanished, No entries in the log] Message-ID: <3E433EA9.9000005@lateralsoftware.com> Dear Lists I am running 30 lists on mailman 2.0.8 and out of which 20 to 25 of them are really active. The mailing system is working fine , but i like to share with you a strange behaviour with mailman, or maybe i dunno it could an human error. I added my 31st list on 23rd January and please find the below log, as it routine exercise of creating lists and mass subscribing the members, i didnt check the list members status on a daily level. To my surprise of out 9 members subscribed, only 3 of them exist. Log data for /home/mailman/logs/subscribe file Jan 23 16:27:19 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new ghh at domain.com Jan 23 16:27:19 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new user1 at domain.com Jan 23 16:27:19 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new paul_r at domain.com Jan 23 16:27:20 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new bosco at domain.com Jan 23 16:27:20 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new quality at domain.com Jan 23 16:27:20 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new claus at domain.com Jan 23 16:39:56 2003 (29838) ow-ti: pending roz.sutton at domain.com 192.168.0.3 Jan 23 16:41:03 2003 (29913) ow-ti: pending claire.paszkiewicz at domain.com 192.168.0.3 Jan 23 16:42:23 2003 (29989) ow-ti: pending robert.faulkner at domain.com 192.168.0.3 Jan 23 19:25:01 2003 (6969) ow-ti: new robert.faulkner at domain.com Jan 23 20:43:01 2003 (9498) ow-ti: new roz.sutton at domain.com Jan 29 17:58:02 2003 (16885) ow-ti: new claire.paszkiewicz at domain.com My subscribe log was not modified by anyone or tampered, and i dont find any logs of members who arent existing anymore with stamp "deleted" What could be cause of this problem... Thanks in Advance Ganeshh From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com Fri Feb 7 06:07:04 2003 From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganeshh) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 10:37:04 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [URGENT][SUBSCRIBERS VANISHED, No entries in LOG] Message-ID: <3E433EF8.70505@lateralsoftware.com> Dear Lists I am running 30 lists on mailman 2.0.8 and out of which 20 to 25 of them are really active. The mailing system is working fine , but i like to share with you a strange behaviour with mailman, or maybe i dunno it could an human error. I added my 31st list on 23rd January and please find the below log, as it routine exercise of creating lists and mass subscribing the members, i didnt check the list members status on a daily level. To my surprise of out 9 members subscribed, only 3 of them exist. Log data for /home/mailman/logs/subscribe file Jan 23 16:27:19 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new ghh at domain.com Jan 23 16:27:19 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new user1 at domain.com Jan 23 16:27:19 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new paul_r at domain.com Jan 23 16:27:20 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new bosco at domain.com Jan 23 16:27:20 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new quality at domain.com Jan 23 16:27:20 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new claus at domain.com Jan 23 16:39:56 2003 (29838) ow-ti: pending roz.sutton at domain.com 192.168.0.3 Jan 23 16:41:03 2003 (29913) ow-ti: pending claire.paszkiewicz at domain.com 192.168.0.3 Jan 23 16:42:23 2003 (29989) ow-ti: pending robert.faulkner at domain.com 192.168.0.3 Jan 23 19:25:01 2003 (6969) ow-ti: new robert.faulkner at domain.com Jan 23 20:43:01 2003 (9498) ow-ti: new roz.sutton at domain.com Jan 29 17:58:02 2003 (16885) ow-ti: new claire.paszkiewicz at domain.com My subscribe log was not modified by anyone or tampered, and i dont find any logs of members who arent existing anymore with stamp "deleted" What could be cause of this problem... Thanks in Advance Ganeshh From barry at python.org Fri Feb 7 06:21:28 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 00:21:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE;Cron/senddigests bug References: <6253FB0E-370B-11D7-9EF1-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> Message-ID: <15939.16984.855357.160229@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "DP" == Dan Phillips writes: DP> Tried that and it reported no problems. The problem definitely DP> seems to be in digest.mbox, although I can't see anything DP> wrong. If it isn't too late, can you submit a bug report with the mbox file attached? If you don't want to attach the mbox (say it has sensitive information), you can still submit the bug report and send me the mbox file. -Barry From barry at python.org Fri Feb 7 06:27:15 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 00:27:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] after 2.0.13->2.1 upgrade, files needed? References: Message-ID: <15939.17331.217867.408802@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "JAE" == Jeff A Earickson writes: JAE> I've noticed that mailing lists that I've created after the JAE> upgrade only contain config.pck, config.pck.last, and JAE> request.db. Can I assume that the config.db and html files JAE> are left over from 2.0.x and can now be deleted? Yes. Back 'em up first though. ;) -Barry From barry at python.org Fri Feb 7 07:24:37 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 01:24:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another upgrade problem (2.0.13 -> 2.1); pending admin request page hosed References: <20030114144533.H22310@griffin.CS.NYU.EDU> Message-ID: <15939.20773.216754.623907@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "EO" == Ed Osinski writes: EO> I upgraded from 2.0.13 to 2.1, and I run into a problem when EO> trying to access the "Tend to pending moderator requests" page EO> of a pre-existing list. I get: EO> ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size I believe I finally fixed this. -Barry From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Feb 7 08:24:48 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 01:24:48 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Subscriptions -- HELP References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030206190120.00b96e48@mail.whoffman.com> Message-ID: <000501c2ce79$ffaba980$1501a8c0@anncons2> Yes to both questions (see below) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Hoffman" To: Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 6:06 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Subscriptions -- HELP > 1. We're migrating ~1500 users from Lyris - and half of them have digest > specified. We have two files of subscribers - one with digest subscribers > and one with everyone else. Can we 'import' the digest users in a way that > the digest option is pre-selected (short of clicking each one on the > membership page)? How? Ditto for some of the other options (like not > getting mail from the list), but digest is critical. Use the command line ~mailman/bin/add_member. You can specify a whole file for digest users and different file for regular users. > > 2. We'd like to import real names for each user (which we have - in the > files we extract from the old system). Is there a way to do this? Put the emails in your file one per line - and use the syntax found in the archives for adding the full name. I'm away from the archives right now or I would look it up for you. It's something like: email at address.com (full name) Or at least I think that is one of the many acceptable formats. To be sure look in the archives of this list. I don't capture full name at my sites. Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Feb 7 08:32:00 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 01:32:00 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python upgrade problems - Mailman 2.0.13 References: <000201c2ce0e$bdbd50c0$8200000a@magnafix> Message-ID: <001301c2ce7b$010e2a40$1501a8c0@anncons2> Your best bet all around is to install Mailman via source. It's easy to do and if you did install previously using the rpm you can query the rpm for the proper setup to install via source. Since you were having problems and you were nervous about it, I'm assuming you used the rpms... could be wrong - and I hope I am! In any case, as soon as you change python, you need to re-install Mailman - preferably from source. Mailman is very robust, but once you start changing the underlying modules and libraries you're asking for trouble (unless you re-install so that it can use the new modules and libraries). Best of Luck - Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Masterson" To: Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:37 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python upgrade problems - Mailman 2.0.13 > System: Redhat 7.2, Mailman 2.0.13, webservers (for web-interface) and > Postfix mailserver (for crons/processing) nfs-mounting Mailman > installation. > > After upgrading Python 1.5 (as per RHSA), public web-subscription to > mailman lists no longer worked ("We've hit a bug!" -> ImportError: > cannot import name Pending). So we installed Python2 on the webservers > and forced Mailman to use it. Seemed to work for a few hours, and then > it appeared that no lists are processing messages. The error generated > every few seconds (a few dozen lists some with 10k+ members) was as > follows: > > Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): Traceback (innermost last): > Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): File "/www/mailman/cron/qrunner", > line 283, in ? > Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): kids = main(lock) > Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): File "/www/mailman/cron/qrunner", > line 253, in main > Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, > msg, msgdata) > Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): File "/www/mailman/cron/qrunner", > line 121, in dispose_message > Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): if BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, > mimemsg): > Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): File > "/www/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 58, in ScanMessages > Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): func = getattr(getattr(getattr(mod, > 'Bouncers'), modname), 'process') > Feb 06 10:01:02 2003 qrunner(1209): AttributeError : process > > > My first thought was to try upgrading python on the mailserver which > does the processing: > > rpm -ivh --nodeps python2-2.1.1-2.72.i386.rpm > cd /usr/bin/ > rm -f python;ln -s python2 python > > > This created new errors in the Mailman logs: > > Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): Traceback (most recent call last): > Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): File "/www/mailman/cron/qrunner", > line 283, in ? > Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): kids = main(lock) > Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): File "/www/mailman/cron/qrunner", > line 253, in main > Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): keepqueued = > dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata) > Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): File "/www/mailman/cron/qrunner", > line 121, in dispose_message > Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): if > BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg): > Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): File > "/www/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 57, in ScanMessages > Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): mod = > __import__('Mailman.Bouncers.'+modname) > Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): File > "/www/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Catchall.py", line 34, in ? > Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): import regsub > Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): File > "/usr/lib/python2.1/regsub.py", line 20, in ? > Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): import regex > Feb 06 10:51:02 2003 qrunner(22539): ImportError : No module named > regex > > Decided to downgrade, so then I simply did a: > > cd /usr/bin > rm -f python; ln -s python1.5 python > > > The errors immediately stopped being generated, and the contents of the > qfiles directory dropped from 400+ files to 60 files in about 5 minutes. > > I guess at this point I am nervous that this will come back to haunt me, > perhaps again in a few hours. Any insight or archived messages I failed > to locate would be appreciated. > > > > John Masterson > Modwest > Powerful, Affordable Web Hosting > http://www.modwest.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Feb 7 08:34:48 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 01:34:48 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] remove_members without notification? References: <20030205142058.A13747@xmission.com> <20030206165855.A5679@rhea.tacotec.de> Message-ID: <001f01c2ce7b$663f02e0$1501a8c0@anncons2> +1 I've used ~mailman/bin/sync_members in several scripts for a few years now. It works great! And you can turn off the notices so folks don't know that you are mucking about with the list membership. Good Luck - Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sebastian Talmon" To: "Warren Woodward" Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] remove_members without notification? > Hello Warren Woodward, > > > One of our hosted lists has ~5500 members, and > > the list admin needs to upload a whole new, audited list of addresses. > > Seeing as most of the members will be readded immediately, we'd like to > > avoid the confusion of having them all sent unsubscription notices. > > maybe sync_members (in the bin/-directory) is a good tool to try... > > I by myself had not used it till now, but the description sounds good: > > ------------------------- > > Synchronize a mailing list's membership with a flat file. > > This script is useful if you have a Mailman mailing list and a sendmail > :include: style list of addresses (also as is used in Majordomo). For every > address in the file that does not appear in the mailing list, the address is > added. For every address in the mailing list that does not appear in the > file, the address is removed. Other options control what happens when an > address is added or removed. > > ------------------------- > > > > greetings > Sebastian > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Feb 7 08:45:02 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 01:45:02 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delay? References: <2285.1044525987@www12.gmx.net> Message-ID: <003701c2ce7c$d2b159e0$1501a8c0@anncons2> Hmm, without more detail we can't really help. There are a lot of things that affect speed. One item is what version of Mailman that you are using: v 2.1 is faster. Also in version 2.0.x some folks don't run the qrunner every minute, some folks only run it every 5 minutes (or worse). You could be experiencing DNS problems. You could be using Sendmail as your MTA and the first address on the list goes to a really slow mail server so the rest of the mail bottle-necks behind the first couple of emails.... The emails may be overly large. You may need more RAM in your machine. Your server may be running a P90 for it's CPU. You might have a dog-slow out-bound internet connection.. You could be suffering quantum time slips from leaving your tea bags in the hot water for too long (be careful where you put those dangly bits...) There are volumes of discussions like this in the archives. Pick a month and just start reading. Good Luck - Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 4:06 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delay? > Hi, > > when I sent an email to a mailman list it takes some minutes to even a hour > until all emails are sent. On the list are about 40 people. What is the > reason for the delay? Can it be reduced by changing some settings? > > Regards > Ralf > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Feb 7 08:47:58 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 01:47:58 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change 'from' address for admin messages References: <49F73BEED865D3119F8700902773C9F9025F06B4@exchange09.rl.ac.uk> Message-ID: <003f01c2ce7d$3c2cd480$1501a8c0@anncons2> You might try defining the virtual server portions of mm_cfg.py (see ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py for the proper syntax...) OTOH, both postfix and qmail have the ability to modify the "From" of a locally sent email. So does Sendmail if you set up the Generics tables... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harwood, AS (Andrew) " To: "'Jon Carnes'" Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:44 AM Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] How to change 'from' address for admin messages > I'm using Mailman 2.1 and the sendmail that comes with Tru64 Unix (it seems > to have the > version number 8.8.8). > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] > > Sent: 06 February 2003 01:24 > > To: Harwood, AS (Andrew) > > Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org' > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to change 'from' address for admin > > messages > > > > > > What version of Mailman are you using and what is your MTA. Version > > 2.1.x has much better virtual host control. > > > > Also, Postfix has much better virtual host control than sendmail. > > > > On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 10:47, Harwood, AS (Andrew) wrote: > > > I am having difficulty working out how I can change the > > 'from' address that > > > mailman admin messages come from. I have set up mailman on > > our machine > > > tornado.badc.rl.ac.uk. I would prefer that mail appears to come from > > > 'ncas.nerc.ac.uk', which is a valid alias for this machine. > > How do I do > > > this? I have tried setting 'Host name this list prefers for > > email', but this > > > does not appear to make any difference. What determines > > which host the > > > messages appear to come from? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > Andrew Harwood > > > Infrastructure Manager > > > BADC, Rutherford Appleton Laboratory > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Feb 7 08:53:54 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 01:53:54 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] foamembers References: <000901c2cda4$a1fabd10$6ba45a0c@FRIENDSF5E843U> Message-ID: <007101c2ce7e$0fe40c80$1501a8c0@anncons2> No problem. Login to the server and cd on over to ~mailman/lists/.. Then rm -rf Once you remove the list directory and it's contents (the config.pck file) then the list will no longer exist... There is an FAQ about this (and it tells you how to get rid of the Archives as well). To get the subscribes that were previously sent, look in: ~mailman/logs/.. You will find a subscribe log that has a wealth of info that you can use! Happy Hunting! - Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "PRISCILLA FERAL" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:57 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] foamembers While trying to create Mailman list foamembers at list.friendsofanimals.org, I there was a problem when I attempted to mass subscribe members. I deleted the list, but a welcome message was sent out, and replies received. I cannot access the replies, because the list doesn't exist, and I can't recreate the list under the same name because I get an error message stating the list is still on the server. Any suggestions? Bob Orabona foamembers at friendsofanimals.org ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From barry at python.org Fri Feb 7 07:58:08 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 01:58:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling VERP References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030205222445.03c1a2d0@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <15939.22784.566285.789077@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "TM" == Tom Maddox writes: >> I think there is some confusion here about what is meant by >> VERP'ed address. TM> Evidently, you are correct. :-/ TM> So, that's not my problem, then, but my problem remains TM> unresolved. In a nutshell, here's what I'm observing: TM> Prior to my "upgrade" (oh, bitter irony!) to Mailman 2.1, mail TM> sent via a list had the following characteristics: | From: User Name [user at domain.com] | To: | Reply-To: depending on list setting TM> Now, the mail looks like: TM> From: listname-bounces at domain.com on behalf of User Name TM> [user at domain.com] To: Reply-To: (Sorry for the crappy citation) Tom, take a look at this message's heades. Do they have the same problem for you? Note that we have personalization turned on for mailman-users. Here's what the relevant headers of you rmessage look like in my mail reader: From: "Tom Maddox" Sender: mailman-users-bounces+barry=python.org at python.org To: There is no Reply-To header. Note that Sender reflects the verp'd envelope recipient, but Outlook probably should not be displaying that to you. Sender is of little use to most end-users. TM> Additionally, sometimes Outlook will insert the "short TM> description" of the list into the To: field when replying, but TM> I'm willing to believe that's a bug in Outlook. Me too! In fact I'm willing to believe that most of your display problems are bugs in Outlook. I know for a fact that... TM> My users don't like the new From: format, and I am trying to TM> get it back to the way it was, which seems like such a small TM> and simple thing to do but evidently is not. Also, getting TM> rid of the text attachments in Outlook when the footer has a TM> different character set than the message body (also due to a TM> new "feature" introduced in 2.1) would be delightful. ...this is an Outlook problem. I tested this with my colleague Tim Peters, Window user extraordinare and even with Content-Disposition: inline clues, Outlook[*] still insists on displaying them as attachments. Standards are for other people, I guess. Next time I see him, I'll try to convince Tim to subscribe to a personalized list and look over his shoulder while he views the messages. -Barry [*] Or was that OE. Jeez, why have two completely different products named so similarly? Oh yeah, because that's what customers demanded . From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Feb 7 08:59:13 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 01:59:13 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation and Configuration help on Mailman References: Message-ID: <007b01c2ce7e$ce9ea5e0$1501a8c0@anncons2> This is not a problem. If you look at the cron jobs that you faithfully put in for Mailman you will see that one of them is specific to gating mail over to a news server. Comment this particular script out of the cron (then uncomment it later should you change your mind about News servers!). The error simply says that the script tried to attach to a local News server and couldn't find one. When you said that your users were not getting notifications, did you mean that they weren't getting notifications that their mail was being held (ie moderated). If so, then check the Web-Admin settings. Good Luck - Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prasad Tadi" To: Cc: "Prasad Tadi" Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:25 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation and Configuration help on Mailman > Hi, > > I am using MAILMAN 2.0.13 and installed and configured every thing ( I > hope). > I can browse the archives and can send mails to Archive. > But none of the list members gets any notification. > > When looked further I found the following LOG message to my mailman (root) > account. > > I am NOT planning to use NNTP servers. Is it a MUST? > Do I have to have a NNTP service running on my system? > > Any help / pointers are appreciated! > > Regards > Prasad > > > > ============= LOG from my mail ================ > >From mailman Wed Feb 5 09:15:01 2003 > Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:15:00 -0500 > From: root at orange.intrahomenet.com (Cron Daemon) > To: mailman at orange.intrahomenet.com > Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S > //usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > > Traceback (innermost last): > File "//usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ? > main() > File "//usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main > process_lists(lock) > File "//usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 148, in process_lists > conn, first, last = open_newsgroup(mlist) > File "//usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 75, in open_newsgroup > password=mm_cfg.NNTP_PASSWORD) > File "//usr/local/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 111, in > __init__ > self.sock.connect((self.host, self.port)) > socket.error: (111, 'Connection refused') > > > ====== Together we can build a better process ====== > http://www.roshitech.com/profile/ > cell : 603-557-7978 > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From barry at python.org Fri Feb 7 08:01:28 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 02:01:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [URGENT][SUBSCRIBERS VANISHED, No entries in LOG] References: <3E433EF8.70505@lateralsoftware.com> Message-ID: <15939.22984.983688.579686@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "ganeshh" == writes: ganeshh> I am running 30 lists on mailman 2.0.8 You should upgrade at least to Mailman 2.0.13. -Barry From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Feb 7 09:01:49 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 02:01:49 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature query References: <3E403A8C.1000702@wdn.com> Message-ID: <008301c2ce7f$2b1bb600$1501a8c0@anncons2> No... but it is coming. Once the SQL connector is finished those items can be maintained outside of Mailman. Future versions will be even more extensible, but we take things one step at a time! (Note: I'm not speaking for Barry, just relaying my understanding of things uttered via email across this list) Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "root" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature query > Friends, > > In reading the web site and scanning the documentation, it appears that > subscribers provide only their names and email addresses. Is there a > facility in mailman to collect additional demographics, such as job > title (pull down list), opt-in buttons, and company name (fill in)? > > Thanks, > > Bill Flanagan > > -- > _______________________________________________________ > ViewsLetter(sm) on Provisioning > Published by www.flanagan-consulting.com > W. A. Flanagan, Inc. info at flanagan-consulting.com > 45472 Holiday Drive Ph: +1.703.242.8381 > Sterling, VA 20166 Fx: +1.703.242.8391 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Feb 7 09:03:47 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 02:03:47 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML in the digest emails References: <00a601c2cbe1$0563c560$1000a8c0@ATHLON> Message-ID: <008b01c2ce7f$71d2bd00$1501a8c0@anncons2> Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is being rectified in version 2.1.1 - or at least it is a current concern. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moo-Lah Ranch" To: Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 6:04 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML in the digest emails I just set up a list and I love the mailman service.. but on Digest plain some of the messages come through with HTML mixed in with the text of the email.. Can anyone help me stop this?? ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Feb 7 09:05:19 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 02:05:19 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pure moderator option References: <3E3E961A.2000709@netribe.it> Message-ID: <009e01c2ce7f$a90d8840$1501a8c0@anncons2> Version 2.1.x of Mailman is setup this way. The description in the Web-admin is very clear on the separate powers of admins and moderators. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Staff di Netribe - ReggioNET" To: Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:17 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pure moderator option > Hello, > Is it possible to setup a list so that a particular user with a > particular password can only moderate the list, but cannot modify other > options (like subscribe/unsubscribe, general options, privacy options, > etc.)? > Thank you for attention. > Regards. > > -- > ___________________________________________________________________ > Staff > staff at netribe.it > ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? > NETRIBE srl :: Collaborative E-Business > 42100 :: Reggio Emilia :: Italy :: Via della Costituzione, 27/4 > ph. +39 0522 232378 :: fax +39 0522 232386 :: http://www.netribe.it > ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Feb 7 09:10:48 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 02:10:48 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stat's References: <6ABA66D8-393C-11D7-AFBC-000393012174@uci.edu> <6ABA66D8-393C-11D7-AFBC-000393012174@uci.edu> <5.2.0.9.2.20030206223421.027348e0@192.168.0.3> Message-ID: <00ad01c2ce80$6c8fe2e0$1501a8c0@anncons2> Dang it! I've got another script that does exactly that... I should have included it. I'll dump it on the list when I get done with this job (sometime - hopefully - tomorrow). It's a fairly simple script that I run monthly - only it uses the log entries and isolates the entries that indicate a user has been moved over to no-mail due to excessive bounces. Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Hansford" > Thanks for the script, Jon! Looks great. > > I've trying to develop a script to run the "bin/list_members --nomail" for > each mailing list once a month, with the results mailed to the list > administrator. Does anyone have an easy way to accomplish that? The > reason I want to generate those reports is to allow the list owners to see > which members have been set to nomail due to bounces and need attention. > > Again, thanks! > > Larry > > > From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com Fri Feb 7 08:53:17 2003 From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganeshh) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 13:23:17 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [URGENT][SUBSCRIBERS VANISHED, No entries in LOG] References: <3E433EF8.70505@lateralsoftware.com> <15939.22984.983688.579686@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <3E4365ED.7000107@lateralsoftware.com> Hi Barry I shall upgrade Mailman, but is there any specific reason for this behaviour, since i need to give an explanation to my team here. Thanks in advance Warm Regards Ganeshh Barry A. Warsaw wrote: >>>>>>"ganeshh" == writes: >>>>>> > > ganeshh> I am running 30 lists on mailman 2.0.8 > >You should upgrade at least to Mailman 2.0.13. >-Barry > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: %(user_delivered_to)s >Unsubscribe or change your options at >%(user_optionsurl)s > > From simon at mtds.com Fri Feb 7 09:43:46 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 08:43:46 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lotus Notes not threading in Archive In-Reply-To: <1044542872.3e4275985ce00@webmail.monkeez.co.uk> References: <1044542872.3e4275985ce00@webmail.monkeez.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030207084346.GB26806@mtds.com> 06-Feb-03 at 14:47, Adam (lists at monkeez.co.uk) wrote : > Can anyone pinpoint the factor that Lotus Notes (or Bloatus Croaks) has with > email which prevents it from threading emails in the archive? Is it a case of a > missing header? Threading is usually based on the In-Reply-To: header, which is usually calculated based on the Message ID of the mail to which you are replying. Regards, -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From warrenw at xmission.com Fri Feb 7 09:58:17 2003 From: warrenw at xmission.com (Warren Woodward) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 01:58:17 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] remove_members without notification? In-Reply-To: <001f01c2ce7b$663f02e0$1501a8c0@anncons2>; from jonc@nc.rr.com on Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 01:34:48AM -0600 References: <20030205142058.A13747@xmission.com> <20030206165855.A5679@rhea.tacotec.de> <001f01c2ce7b$663f02e0$1501a8c0@anncons2> Message-ID: <20030207015817.A7909@xmission.com> On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 01:34:48AM -0600, Jon Carnes wrote: > +1 > I've used ~mailman/bin/sync_members in several scripts for a few years now. > It works great! And you can turn off the notices so folks don't know that > you are mucking about with the list membership. > > Good Luck - Jon Carnes Indeed, I had somehow managed to overlook this script for about a year now. Worked like a charm. Thanks for the kick in the head, I assumed I was missing something simple. -- warren woodward XMission DSL Domo/Mailman warrenw at xmission.com (801) 303-0819 (877) XMISSION "The United States, as the world knows, will never start a war." -JFK, American University, June 10, 1963 From simon at mtds.com Fri Feb 7 10:25:29 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:25:29 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling VERP In-Reply-To: <15939.22784.566285.789077@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030205222445.03c1a2d0@pop3.demon.co.uk> <15939.22784.566285.789077@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20030207092529.GK26806@mtds.com> 07-Feb-03 at 01:58, Barry A. Warsaw (barry at python.org) wrote : > TM> My users don't like the new From: format, and I am trying to > TM> get it back to the way it was, which seems like such a small > TM> and simple thing to do but evidently is not. Also, getting > TM> rid of the text attachments in Outlook when the footer has a > TM> different character set than the message body (also due to a > TM> new "feature" introduced in 2.1) would be delightful. > > ...this is an Outlook problem. I tested this with my colleague Tim > Peters, Window user extraordinare and even with Content-Disposition: > inline clues, Outlook[*] still insists on displaying them as > attachments. Standards are for other people, I guess. > > Next time I see him, I'll try to convince Tim to subscribe to a > personalized list and look over his shoulder while he views the > messages. I have seen too much software with specific Outlook / OE requirements and workarounds. It is sickening. Outlook / Outlook Express are *not* mail user agents (MUAs) they are pseudo-mail unaware-user agents (PMUUA, kinda like the noise horrid tasting food makes when I spit it back out). Sadly changing MUAs is not a possibility for a lot of people, and some people thing Outlook Expressly-made-to-annoy *is* email. I will never lose the energy to keep telling people to run PC-PINE, Eudora, Mulberry, Pegasus, or something else (even a webmail app). The best argument is simple - you will get 95% less viruses JUST by changing your mail application. Regards, -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From simon at mtds.com Fri Feb 7 10:31:00 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:31:00 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stat's In-Reply-To: <00ad01c2ce80$6c8fe2e0$1501a8c0@anncons2> References: <6ABA66D8-393C-11D7-AFBC-000393012174@uci.edu> <6ABA66D8-393C-11D7-AFBC-000393012174@uci.edu> <5.2.0.9.2.20030206223421.027348e0@192.168.0.3> <00ad01c2ce80$6c8fe2e0$1501a8c0@anncons2> Message-ID: <20030207093100.GL26806@mtds.com> 07-Feb-03 at 02:10, Jon Carnes (jonc at nc.rr.com) wrote : > Dang it! I've got another script that does exactly that... I should have > included it. I'll dump it on the list when I get done with this job > (sometime - hopefully - tomorrow). It's a fairly simple script that I run > monthly - only it uses the log entries and isolates the entries that > indicate a user has been moved over to no-mail due to excessive bounces. I look forward to it. That would solve my problem of re-synching back to the MSSQL database to eliminate those people who have been auto-unsubscribed. Cheeeers! I didn't hear from anyone that my scripts I posted might be useful, so if they are to anyone, let me know, and I will post back the other half of the script to synchronise back to the SQL server (although it appears this may become redundant when SQL plugins for Mailman exist). Oh... also, I just noticed Barry is a bassist. Cool bass, dude. I had some mp3 of my band for download once but I lost them... mp3.com seems to cancel accounts if you don't use them, and now another band with the same name as my old band has got onto mp3.com instead. Oh well. -- |-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. |-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. |-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. |-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From sam at rfc1149.net Fri Feb 7 11:05:42 2003 From: sam at rfc1149.net (Samuel Tardieu) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 11:05:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove_members without notification? References: <20030205142058.A13747@xmission.com> <20030206165855.A5679@rhea.tacotec.de> <001f01c2ce7b$663f02e0$1501a8c0@anncons2> <20030207015817.A7909@xmission.com> Message-ID: <87bs1o76dl.fsf@inf.enst.fr> >>>>> "Warren" == Warren Woodward writes: Warren> Indeed, I had somehow managed to overlook this script for Warren> about a year now. Worked like a charm. Thanks for the kick Warren> in the head, I assumed I was missing something simple. You were missing *two* simple things :) The other one was: ~mailman/bin/remove_members --nouserack --noadminack -f - listname Sam -- Samuel Tardieu -- sam at rfc1149.net -- http://www.rfc1149.net/sam From kjartan at zind.net Fri Feb 7 13:33:16 2003 From: kjartan at zind.net (Kjartan Mannes) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 13:33:16 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qmail-to-mailman.py qmail vpopmail > bad combo? In-Reply-To: <00b001c2cb12$6b6b9e20$6901a8c0@arrakis> References: <00b001c2cb12$6b6b9e20$6901a8c0@arrakis> Message-ID: <245271159.20030207133316@zind.net> Monday, February 3, 2003, 12:25:48 AM, df at dune.org wrote: > while watching my /var/log/maillog i noticed the following: the > qmail-to-mailman.py seems to grab correctly the incoming > testlist at ml.domain.com email, but tryes to forward it to > testlist-xxxxx at host.domain.com.. witch doesn't exist. In qmail-to-mailman-py replace the line that says: local = re.sub("^mailman-","",local) with: user = os.environ["USER"] local = re.sub("^" + user + "-","",local) Also keep in mind that qmail and vpopmail run under different uids normally which can cause some problems (not sure how the FreeBSD ports handle this). I've found that using the qmail users/assign file a better solution for pure mailing list vhosts than vpopmail. -- Kjartan (http://natrak.net/) :: "Real programmers don't work from 9 to 5. If any real programmers are around at 9am it's because they were up all night." From fernando at schapachnik.com.ar Fri Feb 7 14:05:29 2003 From: fernando at schapachnik.com.ar (Fernando Schapachnik) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:05:29 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20030206034315.GC448@funes.schapachnik.com.ar> References: <20030206034315.GC448@funes.schapachnik.com.ar> Message-ID: <20030207130529.GA47963@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.a> After asking I found it my self. The very withlist script that sets the value adds the field. Thanks for all the help. I'll post the results when I'm done, so others can use it if desired. Regards. En un mensaje anterior, Fernando Schapachnik escribi?: > Remember the thread about getting external footers? Here is where I > got stuck. The only remaining issue is how to add an attribute to > existing mailing lists. > > Any ideas? From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Fri Feb 7 14:55:35 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 13:55:35 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling VERP In-Reply-To: <20030207092529.GK26806@mtds.com> References: <15939.22784.566285.789077@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <5.1.1.6.0.20030205222445.03c1a2d0@pop3.demon.co.uk> <15939.22784.566285.789077@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030207113725.03ea1ff0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 09:25 07/02/2003, Simon White wrote: >07-Feb-03 at 01:58, Barry A. Warsaw (barry at python.org) wrote : > > TM> My users don't like the new From: format, and I am trying to > > TM> get it back to the way it was, which seems like such a small > > TM> and simple thing to do but evidently is not. Also, getting Against my better judgement, I had a look at the issue of what some FUMUA's from MS display on their GUI as the "From" field. One of my users has Outlook 2002 on his machine and I looked at some messages he has that have passed through our list management system under MM 2.0.x, MM 2.1 no-VERP and MM 2.1 with-VERP. It appears that Outlook 2002 conflates either of the values of the Sender or Return-path headers (both being the same, I couldn't determine which is was taking) with the value of the From header and displays that in the From field of its GUI for the user's benefit. Nowhere on Outlook 2002's GUI interface, could I find a way of changing its behaviour in regards to what it displays in the From field of its GUI. Maybe it can be done by hacking the registry or some other means but I'm not that keen to solve the problem that I'll step into that tar pit. The only difference I could see between messages distributed by MM 2.0.x versus MM 2.1 are the changes from the -admin to -bounces suffix in the Sender/Return-path header value that Outlook 2002 conflates into what it displays in its GUI From field. If MM 2.1 was set to VERP outgoing messages then what is conflated from Sender/Return-path into the From display field is just that much more verbose. But the display field From was always of the form: From on behalf of for any mail where the Sender and From headers were not the same; which just happens to be the case for all mail sent out by both 2.0.x and 2.1 versions of Mailman. Note that Outlook 2002 will present a dialogue window that shows the _actual_ mail headers for an email but it is manipulating what it normally shows the user in its GUI From field. Looking at another user's system, where he is using Outlook Express 6, rather than Outlook 2002 (only the names are nearly the same to protect the guilty), I found that Outlook was unaffected by the MM 2.0.x to MM 2.1 list suffix changes and use/non-use of VERP'ing, because it just displays the value of the From header in its GUI From field. The post to this list at 23:18 05/02/2003, by Tom Maddox that set this hare running said: >Prior to my "upgrade" (oh, bitter irony!) to Mailman 2.1, mail sent via a >list had the following characteristics: > >From: User Name [user at domain.com] >To: >Reply-To: depending on list setting > >Now, the mail looks like: > >From: listname-bounces at domain.com on behalf of User Name [user at domain.com] >To: >Reply-To: > >Additionally, sometimes Outlook will insert the "short description" of the >list into the To: field when replying, but I'm willing to believe that's a >bug in Outlook. This implied a change caused solely by the change from -admin to -bounces alias suffix in the Sender/Return-path headers on e-mail from Mailman. But I could not reproduce that with either Outlook 2002 or Outlook Express 6. Go figure. btw: I found some references to this problem being raised previously when I did a google search. For instance : http://www.kanga.nu/archives/Meta-L/2001Q3/msg00025.php http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2001-April/008503.html From the post at kanga.nu it looks as though this Outlook behaviour was introduced by the release of a new and exciting version of Outlook loaded with interesting new features. Always remember, if it ain't broke it ain't Microsoft. > > TM> rid of the text attachments in Outlook when the footer has a > > TM> different character set than the message body (also due to a > > TM> new "feature" introduced in 2.1) would be delightful. > > > > ...this is an Outlook problem. I tested this with my colleague Tim > > Peters, Window user extraordinare and even with Content-Disposition: > > inline clues, Outlook[*] still insists on displaying them as > > attachments. Standards are for other people, I guess. > > > > Next time I see him, I'll try to convince Tim to subscribe to a > > personalized list and look over his shoulder while he views the > > messages. > >I have seen too much software with specific Outlook / OE requirements >and workarounds. It is sickening. > >Outlook / Outlook Express are *not* mail user agents (MUAs) they are >pseudo-mail unaware-user agents (PMUUA, kinda like the noise horrid >tasting food makes when I spit it back out). > >Sadly changing MUAs is not a possibility for a lot of people, and some >people thing Outlook Expressly-made-to-annoy *is* email. > >I will never lose the energy to keep telling people to run PC-PINE, >Eudora, Mulberry, Pegasus, or something else (even a webmail app). The >best argument is simple - you will get 95% less viruses JUST by changing >your mail application. > >Regards, > >-- >|-Simon White, Internet Services Manager, Certified Check Point CCSA. >|-MTDS Internet, Security, Anti-Virus, Linux and Hosting Solutions. >|-MTDS 14, rue du 16 novembre, Agdal, Rabat, Morocco. >|-MTDS tel +212.3.767.4861 - fax +212.3.767.4863 From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Feb 7 16:01:39 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 07 Feb 2003 10:01:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stat's In-Reply-To: <00ad01c2ce80$6c8fe2e0$1501a8c0@anncons2> References: <6ABA66D8-393C-11D7-AFBC-000393012174@uci.edu> <6ABA66D8-393C-11D7-AFBC-000393012174@uci.edu> <5.2.0.9.2.20030206223421.027348e0@192.168.0.3> <00ad01c2ce80$6c8fe2e0$1501a8c0@anncons2> Message-ID: <1044630103.2224.33.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> As promised, my simple script to find users who have been moved to "no_mail" status due to bounces. (see end of email) You could easily modify it to send out a notification to the list admins *and* auto-remove these addresses from all lists. I have no problems with auto-removing an address that is bouncing - and since the address *is* bouncing, you have no way of alerting the user and telling them that they have been removed from the list... I get too much mail any way! Jon On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 03:10, Jon Carnes wrote: > Dang it! I've got another script that does exactly that... I should have > included it. I'll dump it on the list when I get done with this job > (sometime - hopefully - tomorrow). It's a fairly simple script that I run > monthly - only it uses the log entries and isolates the entries that > indicate a user has been moved over to no-mail due to excessive bounces. > > Jon Carnes > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Hansford" > > Thanks for the script, Jon! Looks great. > > > > I've trying to develop a script to run the "bin/list_members --nomail" for > > each mailing list once a month, with the results mailed to the list > > administrator. Does anyone have an easy way to accomplish that? The > > reason I want to generate those reports is to allow the list owners to see > > which members have been set to nomail due to bounces and need attention. > > > > Again, thanks! > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > #!/bin/bash # mm_bounces: sends an email of bounced folks to the mailman admin list # Note, these bounced emails have been automatically set to "no mail" # for the Mailman lists that they were a part of. # create temp file to collect stats TMPFILE=`mktemp /tmp/mm_stats.XXXXXX` || exit 1 # Note: this should be run on the first of the month # The script checks for bounces from the previous month MONTH="`date -d"last month" +%b`" echo "A list of emails from $MONTH that were bouncing" >$TMPFILE echo "but are still subscribed to local Mailman lists." >>$TMPFILE echo "The addresses were automatically set to _no_mail_" >>$TMPFILE echo "in the specified lists, due to the bounces." >>$TMPFILE echo "You should consider deleting these addresses from" >>$TMPFILE echo "all Mailman lists:" >>$TMPFILE echo "~mailman/bin/remove_members --fromall email at address" >>$TMPFILE echo " " >> $TMPFILE echo "======" >> $TMPFILE # We rotate our logs monthly on the first of each month at 4am # so we really only need to check last months bounce log: bounce.1 grep -hs "disabled " /home/mailman/logs/bounce.1 \ grep -vs "already disabled" | \ grep -s $MONTH | \ cut -f6- "-d " |sort >> $TMPFILE # Test to see if there was any output from the log TEST="`tail -1 $TMPFILE`" if [ "$TEST" = "======" ]; then rm $TMPFILE; exit 0; fi # TEST indicated there were email addresses disabled last month # So we need to send this message to admin at domain.com cat $TMPFILE |mail -s "$MONTH: Mailman disable list" admin at domain.com rm $TMPFILE From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com Fri Feb 7 16:03:30 2003 From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 10:03:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stat's In-Reply-To: <00ad01c2ce80$6c8fe2e0$1501a8c0@anncons2> References: <6ABA66D8-393C-11D7-AFBC-000393012174@uci.edu> <6ABA66D8-393C-11D7-AFBC-000393012174@uci.edu> <5.2.0.9.2.20030206223421.027348e0@192.168.0.3> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030207100055.0288d130@192.168.0.3> At 03:10 AM 2/7/2003, you wrote: >Dang it! I've got another script that does exactly that... I should have >included it. I'll dump it on the list when I get done with this job >(sometime - hopefully - tomorrow). It's a fairly simple script that I run >monthly - only it uses the log entries and isolates the entries that >indicate a user has been moved over to no-mail due to excessive bounces. Great, Jon! Not a big rush, but it would be a great benefit to list owners that have large lists. Larry >Jon Carnes >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Larry Hansford" > > Thanks for the script, Jon! Looks great. > > > > I've trying to develop a script to run the "bin/list_members --nomail" for > > each mailing list once a month, with the results mailed to the list > > administrator. Does anyone have an easy way to accomplish that? The > > reason I want to generate those reports is to allow the list owners to see > > which members have been set to nomail due to bounces and need attention. > > > > Again, thanks! > > > > Larry > > > > > > From khera at kcilink.com Fri Feb 7 16:21:32 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:21:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Subscriptions -- HELP In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030206190120.00b96e48@mail.whoffman.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030206190120.00b96e48@mail.whoffman.com> Message-ID: <15939.52988.540478.386360@yertle.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "WH" == Warren Hoffman writes: WH> 1. We're migrating ~1500 users from Lyris - and half of them have digest WH> specified. We have two files of subscribers - one with digest subscribers Make sure your lyris export script skips over unsubscribed members... I almost had a fiasco with that ;-) WH> 2. We'd like to import real names for each user (which we have - in the WH> files we extract from the old system). Is there a way to do this? Here's the script I used to export my lyris lists. None were using digests, so I didn't separate the lists. The import will fail if the real name contains commas, so just scan for that and fix those up before importing. Mailman parses the names and addresses quite well. --cut here-- #!/usr/bin/perl use lib '/opt/lyris/apache/lib'; require 'lyrislib.pl'; &lyris::init; unless ($ARGV[0]) { die "syntax:\nperl activemembers.pl listname\n"; } my @Members = &lyris::MemberFromList($ARGV[0]); foreach (@Members) { my %m = &lyris::MemberAttribs($_); if ($m{MemberType} eq 'normal') { print "$m{FullName} <$m{EmailAddr}>\n"; } } --cut here-- I'm sure you can test the member record for digest or not and select each category appropriately. From peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu Fri Feb 7 16:26:12 2003 From: peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu (Peter Bengtson) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 16:26:12 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving doesn't work + National chars in passwords Message-ID: <3E43D014.4070408@musikelit.nu> Messages do not get archived properly. Mac OS 10.1.x, Mailman 2.1. The logs reveal the following: > Feb 07 12:51:16 2003 (389) SHUNTING: 1044618675.177514+be324eff2aafe6a8b13f0aa43b6580cf9d345fc4 > Feb 07 13:27:59 2003 (389) Uncaught runner exception: 'module' object has no attribute 'strptime' > Feb 07 13:27:59 2003 (389) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose > mlist.ArchiveMail(msg) > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 207, in ArchiveMail > h.close() > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 304, in close > self.update_dirty_archives() > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 518, in update_dirty_archives > self.update_archive(i) > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1032, in update_archive > self.__super_update_archive(archive) > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 424, in update_archive > self._update_simple_index(hdr, archive, arcdir) > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 434, in _update_simple_index > self.write_index_header() > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 949, in write_index_header > print self.html_head() > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 637, in html_head > d = {"listname": html_quote(mlist.real_name, self.lang), > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 635, in quotetime > return html_quote(i18n.ctime(s), self.lang) > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 98, in ctime > year, mon, day, hh, mm, ss, wday, ydat, dst = time.strptime(date) > AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'strptime' Any ideas? Also, using national characters such as ??????? and so forth in a user-supplied personal password causes Mailman to crash miserably: > Bug in Mailman version 2.1 > We're sorry, we hit a bug! > If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/Users/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main > main() > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 94, in main > process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata, language) > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 176, in process_form > mlist.AddMember(userdesc, remote) > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 795, in AddMember > cookie = Pending.new(Pending.SUBSCRIPTION, userdesc) > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 69, in new > hashfood = str(now) + str(n) + str(content) > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/UserDesc.py", line 56, in __repr__ > return '' % ( > UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) / Peter Bengtson From jimpop at rocketship.com Fri Feb 7 17:11:52 2003 From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 11:11:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List variables Message-ID: Is there a simple list somewhere of all the MM list variables (e.g. real_name) that can be used when editing the HTLM for public list pages? Thanks, -Jim P. From marilyn at deliberate.com Fri Feb 7 17:40:24 2003 From: marilyn at deliberate.com (Marilyn Davis) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 08:40:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce: Mailman 2.0.13 compatible eVote available Message-ID: An open source software utility, eVote(R)/Clerk, has been recently enhanced to cooperate with GNU Mailman 2.0.13. The eVote code, now available , provides a facility for taking polls among the subscribers of email discussion lists. The project's developer, Marilyn Davis, Ph.D., marilyn at deliberate.com of California, http://www.Deliberate.com, has provided eVote with a telnet interface since 1994; and since 1996 as an add-on utility to the Majordomo listserve. FEATURES * Enables any member of an email list to generate a new poll for the group. * Polls can be: + Public - where everyone can see everyone's votes, or + Private - where no one can see anyone else's vote, or + If-Voted - where everyone can see who voted, but not how they voted. + Numeric - where votes are from 1 to 10, or -10 to 10, etc., or + Yes/No. + Visible - where everyone can see the tally while the poll is open, or + Hidden - where no one can see the results until the poll is closed. + Single item - or, + Grouped items - where participants vote for one of a number of choices, or for three of the choices, or they can distribute their 100 vote points over the choices. * Supports petitions. Petitions are generated and collaboratively administered by the members of a "petition" list. Petition features: + Open for anyone to sign. + Supported in English, Spanish and French. + Can be: - Signature-only petitions - Petitions with voting items - Petitions with forms The Linux Journal, , the monthly magazine of the Linux Community, is featuring an article about eVote in the March, 2003 issue. On the Linux Journal website, Don Marti, the Journal's editor says: "On page 72, Marilyn Davis explains that true democracy needs both elections and deliberation. Most systems offer one or the other, but not both. However, Marilyn's eVote system makes it possible for any user of a Mailman-based mailing list to start a wide variety of single-choice or multiple-choice polls. After the initial setup, there's no need for an administrator." From webperson at now.org Fri Feb 7 17:49:33 2003 From: webperson at now.org (NOW Website Coordinator) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 08:49:33 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Solaris 8 and Mailman 2.1 users -- are you having memory leaks? Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030207084639.00c73810@now.org> We're looking into patching our Solaris 8, since I haven't found any other cause of our Mailman 2.1 problem (it uses up as much memory as it can -- we've upgraded RAM twice and it just uses up more -- it's currently using up over 400 meg for relatively small lists). As I work with our ISP on this, I wondered if anyone else is using Solaris 8 and Mailman 2.1 and seeing each mailman job take up around 80 megabytes (although I've even seen one grow to 120 meg). We're using Python 2.2.2. Sarah Stapleton-Gray -------------------------------------------- Web Site Coordinator National Organization for Women http://www.now.org From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com Fri Feb 7 18:05:30 2003 From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 12:05:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce: Mailman 2.0.13 compatible eVote available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030207115854.0287fb70@192.168.0.3> I read the article in Linux Journal last night, and liked the description of this software. But, it didn't appear from the article that it would work with Mailman 2.1, which I'm running. The lines it adds to the aliases are of the old format. I would love to have a capability such as the eVote, though. Larry At 11:40 AM 2/7/2003, Marilyn Davis wrote: >An open source software utility, eVote(R)/Clerk, has been recently >enhanced to cooperate with GNU Mailman 2.0.13. The eVote code, now >available , provides a >facility for taking polls among the subscribers of email discussion >lists. > >The project's developer, Marilyn Davis, Ph.D., marilyn at deliberate.com >of California, http://www.Deliberate.com, has provided eVote with a >telnet interface since 1994; and since 1996 as an add-on utility to >the Majordomo listserve. > > FEATURES > > * Enables any member of an email list to generate a new poll for > the group. > > * Polls can be: > > + Public - where everyone can see everyone's votes, or > + Private - where no one can see anyone else's vote, or > + If-Voted - where everyone can see who voted, but not how > they voted. > > + Numeric - where votes are from 1 to 10, or -10 to 10, etc., or > + Yes/No. > > + Visible - where everyone can see the tally while the poll is > open, or > + Hidden - where no one can see the results until the poll is > closed. > > + Single item - or, > + Grouped items - where participants vote for one of a number > of choices, or for three of the choices, or they can > distribute their 100 vote points over the choices. > > * Supports petitions. Petitions are generated and collaboratively > administered by the members of a "petition" list. Petition features: > > + Open for anyone to sign. > + Supported in English, Spanish and French. > + Can be: > - Signature-only petitions > - Petitions with voting items > - Petitions with forms > > >The Linux Journal, , the monthly magazine >of the Linux Community, is featuring an article about eVote in the >March, 2003 issue. On the Linux Journal website, Don Marti, the >Journal's editor says: > >"On page 72, Marilyn Davis explains that true democracy needs both >elections and deliberation. Most systems offer one or the other, but >not both. However, Marilyn's eVote system makes it possible for any >user of a Mailman-based mailing list to start a wide variety of >single-choice or multiple-choice polls. After the initial setup, >there's no need for an administrator." From tmaddox at thereinc.com Fri Feb 7 18:12:17 2003 From: tmaddox at thereinc.com (Tom Maddox) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:12:17 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling VERP In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030207113725.03ea1ff0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: Well, I certainly appreciate everyone taking the time to look at this issue. Sounds like there's no good solution (well, I could "encourage" people to get off of Outlook--that'll go over well), so I'll just tell them to suck it up. Thanks, Tom From marilyn at deliberate.com Fri Feb 7 18:21:01 2003 From: marilyn at deliberate.com (Marilyn Davis) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:21:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce: Mailman 2.0.13 compatible eVote available In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030207115854.0287fb70@192.168.0.3> Message-ID: Thanks Larry. You're right, it isn't good for 2.1 -- yet. You could put in an enhancement request, both at http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/mailman and http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/evote The actual work would involve only modifying a few Mailman 2.1's modules and making the new installation script. Marilyn On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Larry Hansford wrote: > I read the article in Linux Journal last night, and liked the description > of this software. But, it didn't appear from the article that it would > work with Mailman 2.1, which I'm running. The lines it adds to the aliases > are of the old format. I would love to have a capability such as the > eVote, though. > > Larry > > At 11:40 AM 2/7/2003, Marilyn Davis wrote: > >An open source software utility, eVote(R)/Clerk, has been recently > >enhanced to cooperate with GNU Mailman 2.0.13. The eVote code, now > >available , provides a > >facility for taking polls among the subscribers of email discussion > >lists. > > > >The project's developer, Marilyn Davis, Ph.D., marilyn at deliberate.com > >of California, http://www.Deliberate.com, has provided eVote with a > >telnet interface since 1994; and since 1996 as an add-on utility to > >the Majordomo listserve. > > > > FEATURES > > > > * Enables any member of an email list to generate a new poll for > > the group. > > > > * Polls can be: > > > > + Public - where everyone can see everyone's votes, or > > + Private - where no one can see anyone else's vote, or > > + If-Voted - where everyone can see who voted, but not how > > they voted. > > > > + Numeric - where votes are from 1 to 10, or -10 to 10, etc., or > > + Yes/No. > > > > + Visible - where everyone can see the tally while the poll is > > open, or > > + Hidden - where no one can see the results until the poll is > > closed. > > > > + Single item - or, > > + Grouped items - where participants vote for one of a number > > of choices, or for three of the choices, or they can > > distribute their 100 vote points over the choices. > > > > * Supports petitions. Petitions are generated and collaboratively > > administered by the members of a "petition" list. Petition features: > > > > + Open for anyone to sign. > > + Supported in English, Spanish and French. > > + Can be: > > - Signature-only petitions > > - Petitions with voting items > > - Petitions with forms > > > > > >The Linux Journal, , the monthly magazine > >of the Linux Community, is featuring an article about eVote in the > >March, 2003 issue. On the Linux Journal website, Don Marti, the > >Journal's editor says: > > > >"On page 72, Marilyn Davis explains that true democracy needs both > >elections and deliberation. Most systems offer one or the other, but > >not both. However, Marilyn's eVote system makes it possible for any > >user of a Mailman-based mailing list to start a wide variety of > >single-choice or multiple-choice polls. After the initial setup, > >there's no need for an administrator." > > From ted at groupd.com Fri Feb 7 18:29:15 2003 From: ted at groupd.com (Ted Dively) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:29:15 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble w/MM & Postfix Message-ID: Greetings, fellow listers! I've been struggling with getting Mailman to run on one of our boxes, and I suspect it might be something funky about the Mailman-to-Postfix connectivity, especially since the normal Postfix-UW IMAP/POP system works fine. I don't think Mac OSX Server v.10.2.3 has anything to do with it, but you never know. Without further ado the pertinent details are: * Power Mac G4 with 1.5GB RAM, two 120GB ATA drives running OSXS v.10.2.3 & BIND v.8.2.3 (secondary/slave DNS for our domain) * Mailman v.2.1 * Python v.2.2 * Postfix v.1.1.11 * UW IMAP/POP v.?? (the latest as of December) * Mail version 8.1 6/6/93 * SquirrelMail v.?? (the one that ships with OSXS v.10.2.3) I followed the directions for installing both packages, and in the case of Mailman, I relied heavily on a slightly-outdated-but-usable, article posted at afp548.com. The URL at AF548.com is: http://www.afp548.com/Articles/mail/postfix.html In any case, it all seems to run fine, permissions seem okay, and everything, except that mail destined for subscribers never gets to them. For instance, if I subscribe to a list via the browser interface, it says a confirmation is on the way, but it never arrives. If I directly subscribe someone from the admin interface, it says they're good to go, but again, no confirmation e-mail ever gets to the subscriber. The messages don't bounce, but rather, they seem to disappear down a rat hole. I'm not sure which logs to examine, otherwise I'd have already done so. When I SSH into the box via a terminal, and look at the "pending.pck" file for the list in question, this is its contents: (dp1 S'37af3753f88b828c26d1081411347d7f92b8954b' p2 (S'S' (iMailman.UserDesc UserDesc (dp3 S'fullname' p4 VZaphod Beeblebrox sS'password' p5 S'monkey' p6 sS'language' p7 S'en' p8 sS'digest' p9 I0 sS'address' p10 S'teddyd at well.com' sbtsS'6a045aac253743d4baa7439be3b16a8214665b3b' p11 (S'S' (iMailman.UserDesc UserDesc p12 (dp13 g7 S'en' p14 sS'invitation' p15 I1 sg10 S'ted at esnakeoil.net' p16 sg4 V sg5 S'biekdu' sg9 I0 sbtp17 sS'evictions' p18 (dp19 g2 F1043133905.280624 sg11 F1043135121.183454 sS'878995253c4b047a55f59f7fd1af9808ff658b98' p20 F1043134115.092815 ssS'version' p21 I1 sg20 (S'S' (iMailman.UserDesc UserDesc (dp22 g7 g8 sg15 I1 sg10 S'teddyd at well.com' sg4 V sg5 S'heagiw' p23 sg9 I0 sbtp24 s. From what I can see, it looks as though it's gathering the correct information from the Web GUI, then simply sitting on it. Any ideas of what I might have done wrong here? If you all want to check it out for yourselves, the machine is at: http://zaius.groupd.com/mailman/listinfo/ The list in question is "gdc-tests", the one with a description. The other list is one I created in the terminal by following the AFP548.com instructions, but it won't let me edit it in the GUI. > TIA for any guidance you can offer this poor sap! Ted Dively ************************************************************************ ********* Group D Communications -- IT Support, Databases, Networking, Web Sites POB 170697 San Francisco, CA 94117-0697 PH 415.401.8333 x305 FX 415.401.8334 http://www.groupd.com mailto:ted at groupd.com From simon at mtds.com Fri Feb 7 18:35:36 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 17:35:36 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble w/MM & Postfix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030207173536.GP28647@mtds.com> 07-Feb-03 at 09:29, Ted Dively (ted at groupd.com) wrote : > In any case, it all seems to run fine, permissions seem okay, and > everything, except that mail destined for subscribers never gets to > them. For instance, if I subscribe to a list via the browser interface, > it says a confirmation is on the way, but it never arrives. If I > directly subscribe someone from the admin interface, it says they're > good to go, but again, no confirmation e-mail ever gets to the > subscriber. The messages don't bounce, but rather, they seem to > disappear down a rat hole. I'm not sure which logs to examine, > otherwise I'd have already done so. When I SSH into the box via a > terminal, and look at the "pending.pck" file for the list in question, > this is its contents: Well... the usual thing to do is check if mailmanctl is running... if it isn't, then you must start it for things to start being delivered... -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. simon at mtds.com. Folding at home no log script yet...] Warsaw's Fourth Law: The Law of Pinball Machine Instructions. It doesn't matter a wit if the instructions are printed clearly for all to see, nobody will read them. They'll just drop their quarters and start pushing buttons like a Tommy. Software is the same. -- B. Warsaw From warren at whoffman.com Fri Feb 7 19:06:42 2003 From: warren at whoffman.com (Warren Hoffman) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 13:06:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Subscription - setting digest as default Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030207130440.00bb99c8@mail.whoffman.com> I see how that can be done via the command line (using separate files for digest and non-digest subscribers). However, it does not appear via the web panels - and I'd rather do it that way. I set digest as a default, did a "mass subscribe" with two people, but the digest flag wasn't set. Am I missing something? --Warren From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Fri Feb 7 20:40:41 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 14:40:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Subscribed members vanished]Looks to be simple Problem, though Strange] In-Reply-To: <3E425F17.5060906@lateralsoftware.com>; from ganeshh@lateralsoftware.com on Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 06:41:51PM +0530 References: <3E425F17.5060906@lateralsoftware.com> Message-ID: <20030207144041.A8171@dogpound.vnet.net> Not sure if I'm following you. Are you saying that users ghh@ user1@ paul_r@ bosco@ quality@ claus@ robert.faulkner@ roz.sutton@ and claire.paszkiewicz@ (what a name...) are not on your list anymore? * Ganeshh (ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com) wrote: > Dear Lists > > I am running 30 lists on mailman 2.0.8 and out of which 20 to 25 of them > are really active. The mailing system is working fine , but i like to > share with > you a strange behaviour with mailman, or maybe i dunno it could an human > error. > > I added my 31st list on 23rd January and please find the below log, as > it routine exercise of creating lists and mass subscribing the members, > i didnt check the list members status on a daily level. To my surprise > of out 9 members subscribed, only 3 of them exist. > > Log data for /home/mailman/logs/subscribe file > > Jan 23 16:27:19 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new ghh at domain.com > Jan 23 16:27:19 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new user1 at domain.com > Jan 23 16:27:19 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new paul_r at domain.com > Jan 23 16:27:20 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new bosco at domain.com > Jan 23 16:27:20 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new quality at domain.com > Jan 23 16:27:20 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new claus at domain.com > Jan 23 16:39:56 2003 (29838) ow-ti: pending roz.sutton at domain.com > 192.168.0.3 > Jan 23 16:41:03 2003 (29913) ow-ti: pending claire.paszkiewicz at domain.com > 192.168.0.3 > Jan 23 16:42:23 2003 (29989) ow-ti: pending robert.faulkner at domain.com > 192.168.0.3 > Jan 23 19:25:01 2003 (6969) ow-ti: new robert.faulkner at domain.com > Jan 23 20:43:01 2003 (9498) ow-ti: new roz.sutton at domain.com > Jan 29 17:58:02 2003 (16885) ow-ti: new claire.paszkiewicz at domain.com > > My subscribe log was not modified by anyone or tampered, and i dont find any logs of members who arent existing anymore with stamp "deleted" > > What could be cause of this problem... > > Thanks in Advance > Ganeshh -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Useless Invention: Rubber Kleenex. From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Fri Feb 7 20:47:32 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 14:47:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation problem In-Reply-To: <00ce01c2ce46$aa5dc5e0$0d5c27d4@dev.filibeto.org>; from s_angelov@filibeto.org on Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 03:17:15AM +0200 References: <00ce01c2ce46$aa5dc5e0$0d5c27d4@dev.filibeto.org> Message-ID: <20030207144732.B8171@dogpound.vnet.net> It might be possiable that you have 2 different installations of python? And root is using the correct version. The traceback shows its using /usr/local/bin/python and root might be using another binary. As root figure out what python binary it's using. # which python And you need to reconfigure mailman to use that python installation. * Stoyan Angelov (s_angelov at filibeto.org) wrote: > hello all, > > i have just installed Mailman 2.1 for the first time and i have the following problem. i followed the instructions in the INSTALL file and everything went ok to the point i had to create my first maillist. accessing the www.mysite.org/mailman/create gives me the following error: ImportError: No module named time. i checked my python installation and when i am logged as root doing: > > [root at myhost:/]#python > Python 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 6 2003, 23:57:56) > [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)] on sunos5 > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. > >>> import time > >>> > > works as root... if i su - mailman and run python it fails like this: > > [mailman at myhost:~]$python > Python 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 6 2003, 23:57:56) > [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)] on sunos5 > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. > >>> import time > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "", line 1, in ? > ImportError: No module named time > >>> > > i gues it is a permissions issue or some variable i need to set ? do you have an idea ? > > thank you! > > Stoyan Angelov > > > > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > [----- Mailman Version: 2.1 -----] > [----- Traceback ------] > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 63, in run_main > from Mailman.Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 18, in ? > import time > ImportError: No module named time > [----- Python Information -----] > sys.version = 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 6 2003, 23:57:56) > [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)] > sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python > sys.prefix = /usr/local > sys.exec_prefix = /usr/local > sys.path = /usr/local > sys.platform = sunos5 > [----- Environment Variables -----] > PYTHONPATH: /usr/local/mailman > SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) FrontPage/5.0.2.2510 mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.6g > SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create > SERVER_ADMIN: support at filibeto.org > SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/create > SERVER_SIGNATURE:
Apache/1.3.27 Server at www.filibeto.org Port 80
> > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bigdog%40dogpound.vnet.net -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ >From my brain, an organ with a mind of its own. From ebynum at CLEMSON.EDU Fri Feb 7 20:57:10 2003 From: ebynum at CLEMSON.EDU (Edward Bynum) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 14:57:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Questions Message-ID: <007f01c2cee3$199ea2c0$ce487f82@etb01> Hi - I am fairly new to using Linux and webservers and mailservers and ... etc., but I have a desire to use Mailman to solve a mailing list problem that I am having right now. I have a few questions to ask before I go to install Mailman. First, the server that I will be installing on is currently used to serve a very popular website, and though it isn't under nearly its maximum load, I don't know how much load I will be adding by using Mailman, and the site being served is far more important than streamlining the mailing list capabilities. For the time being at least, there will be only one mailing list which will have about 1500 users, and an average of two relatively simple messages sent each week. The messages are sent to a total (based on the current list) of 33 hosts, with the vast majority (about 80% right now) going all to one host. A few others take up most of the rest of the slack (aol, hotmail, and yahoo account for about 16% total, leaving 4% to the other 29 hosts). From watching a few refreshes on "top", just a few moments ago in what is near the peak time for the server, there were always at least 25% of the server CPU resources free (ranging up to about 50% depending on the refresh). The server has a 2GHz processor with 1.5GB RAM (I don't know much more of the specs, but I can find out easily enough). The server is running qmail (for which I saw instructions in the INSTALL file), so I'm confident that that won't be a problem. Python is installed, ... Finally - one question about the features of Mailman. Is it possible to set up a "mail merge" (like with MS Word or other word processing software) so that I could put something like :firstname: in the outgoing mail and have Mailman replace it with its stored First name for that address (basically to personalize the outgoing message). Thanks a bunch. Edward Bynum From mail at freelock.com Fri Feb 7 20:42:33 2003 From: mail at freelock.com (John Locke) Date: 07 Feb 2003 11:42:33 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stat's In-Reply-To: <20030207093100.GL26806@mtds.com> References: <6ABA66D8-393C-11D7-AFBC-000393012174@uci.edu> <6ABA66D8-393C-11D7-AFBC-000393012174@uci.edu> <5.2.0.9.2.20030206223421.027348e0@192.168.0.3> <20030207093100.GL26806@mtds.com> Message-ID: <1044646953.23018.42.camel@denali.freelock.com> Hello, Simon, I've got other stuff going on right now, but I saved your message with your scripts, and plan to evaluate them/convert them for PHP/MySQL when I get a chance. (probably not this week!) On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 01:31, Simon White wrote: > 07-Feb-03 at 02:10, Jon Carnes (jonc at nc.rr.com) wrote : > > Dang it! I've got another script that does exactly that... I should have > > included it. I'll dump it on the list when I get done with this job > > (sometime - hopefully - tomorrow). It's a fairly simple script that I run > > monthly - only it uses the log entries and isolates the entries that > > indicate a user has been moved over to no-mail due to excessive bounces. > > I look forward to it. That would solve my problem of re-synching back to > the MSSQL database to eliminate those people who have been > auto-unsubscribed. Cheeeers! > > I didn't hear from anyone that my scripts I posted might be useful, so > if they are to anyone, let me know, and I will post back the other half > of the script to synchronise back to the SQL server (although it appears > this may become redundant when SQL plugins for Mailman exist). > Yes, I'd like to see the rest of your scripts... I have ideas on how to do this, but a few other things that need to get done first. I'll post back to the list PHP/MySQL versions of your scripts, if they seem relevant to my needs (to synchronize mailman users/passwords with my site users). Cheers, -- John Locke Owner, Freelock, LLC http://freelock.com Just launched: http://teamcheckin.com From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com Fri Feb 7 21:44:17 2003 From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 15:44:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Questions In-Reply-To: <007f01c2cee3$199ea2c0$ce487f82@etb01> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030207153359.05785900@192.168.0.3> At 02:57 PM 2/7/2003, you wrote: >Hi - >I am fairly new to using Linux and webservers and mailservers and ... >etc., but I have a desire to use Mailman to solve a mailing list problem >that I am having right now. I have a few questions to ask before I go >to install Mailman. > >First, the server that I will be installing on is currently used to >serve a very popular website, and though it isn't under nearly its >maximum load, I don't know how much load I will be adding by using >Mailman, and the site being served is far more important than >streamlining the mailing list capabilities. Mailman will have very minimal performance impact, other than handing off batches of mail to STMP to mail out. I have a number of servers set up with Postfix 2, Amavis-new, and Mailman 2.1, with some lists much bigger than the 1500 you indicate, and have never had a problem with the heavy activity on the various lists. >For the time being at least, there will be only one mailing list which >will have about 1500 users, and an average of two relatively simple >messages sent each week. The messages are sent to a total (based on the >current list) of 33 hosts, with the vast majority (about 80% right now) >going all to one host. A few others take up most of the rest of the >slack (aol, hotmail, and yahoo account for about 16% total, leaving 4% >to the other 29 hosts). From watching a few refreshes on "top", just a >few moments ago in what is near the peak time for the server, there were >always at least 25% of the server CPU resources free (ranging up to >about 50% depending on the refresh). The server has a 2GHz processor >with 1.5GB RAM (I don't know much more of the specs, but I can find out >easily enough). > >The server is running qmail (for which I saw instructions in the INSTALL >file), so I'm confident that that won't be a problem. Python is >installed, ... I don't use qmail, so can't address that. Postfix works very smoothly, though. >Finally - one question about the features of Mailman. Is it possible to >set up a "mail merge" (like with MS Word or other word processing >software) so that I could put something like :firstname: in the outgoing >mail and have Mailman replace it with its stored First name for that >address (basically to personalize the outgoing message). Never heard of it, but since you send "A" message to the Mailman list, and it sends it to the list members, I don't know how/why you'd use a "mail merge" program. That would send a list of messages to Mailman, so it would attempt to distribute each message to the entire list. But, I'm not really sure what you mean by "personalize the outgoing message". As it is, each message is sent from the list with the sender's name as the "From" address and the list name in the "To" address. Of course, there are customizations in the configuration for eahc list. Larry >Thanks a bunch. > >Edward Bynum From lists at konfido.de Fri Feb 7 22:59:45 2003 From: lists at konfido.de (Matthias Juchem) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 22:59:45 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Normal mails changed to MIME mail Message-ID: Hi. I've got a little Mailman problem. I have one mailserver with Mailman 2.1rc1 (referred to as 'old server') and a another mailserver with Mailman 2.1 (the 'new server'). Mailserver program is qmail, in both cases. Mailman/mm_cfg.py is identical except for the server names and URLs. I migrated one list from the old server to the new one, using bin/config_list. When sending an absolute normal e-mail (simply one word in the subject and one word in the body) to both servers, the older one distributes it fine. The newer one generates a MIME attachment that includes the body content. I have compared the configuration options of both lists - nothing. I absolutely don't know how to fix this. I've searched mailing lists and the like, but nothing. Does anyone have a idea? Regards, Matthias From lists at konfido.de Fri Feb 7 23:20:44 2003 From: lists at konfido.de (Matthias Juchem) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:20:44 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/newlist -> ImportError: No module named None Message-ID: Hi. I have Mailman 2.1. When doing a bin/newlist, I get an 'ImportError: No module named None'. $ bin/newlist Enter the name of the list: a Enter the email of the person running the list: b at dom.ain Initial a password: Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/newlist", line 219, in ? main() File "bin/newlist", line 185, in main __import__(modname) ImportError: No module named None But the list gets set up and seems to work without restriction. One detail that might be important: I use /var/lib/mailman as var prefix (--with-var-prefix) Any ideas? Regards, Matthias From che at debian.org Sat Feb 8 00:17:29 2003 From: che at debian.org (Ben Gertzfield) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 15:17:29 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Normal mails changed to MIME mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E443E89.90106@debian.org> Matthias Juchem wrote: >When sending an absolute normal e-mail (simply one word in the subject and >one word in the body) to both servers, the older one distributes it fine. The >newer one generates a MIME attachment that includes the body content. > > Sounds like the list is set for one language, but you're sending email in another. If the charset of the list footer doesn't match the charset you're sending mail with (look at the Content-Type header) Mailman will do the right thing and send them as a MIME document. There's no way around it when sending mail using multiple character sets.. Ben From lists at konfido.de Sat Feb 8 00:41:58 2003 From: lists at konfido.de (Matthias Juchem) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 00:41:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Normal mails changed to MIME mail In-Reply-To: <3E443E89.90106@debian.org> References: <3E443E89.90106@debian.org> Message-ID: On Saturday, 8. February 2003 00:17, Ben Gertzfield wrote: > Matthias Juchem wrote: > >When sending an absolute normal e-mail (simply one word in the subject and > >one word in the body) to both servers, the older one distributes it fine. > > The newer one generates a MIME attachment that includes the body content. > > Sounds like the list is set for one language, but you're sending email > in another. If the charset of the list footer doesn't match the charset > you're sending mail with (look at the Content-Type header) Mailman will > do the right thing and send them as a MIME document. There's no way > around it when sending mail using multiple character sets.. You are right. So setting a list to e.g. 'German' implies ISO-8859-1? Am I getting this right? I thought that the language setting only affects the language and not the charset... This behaviour is not ideal. Matthias From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Feb 8 01:20:19 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 07 Feb 2003 19:20:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List variables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1044663623.1614.13.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> This isn't in the FAQ, so if you stumle across it, it would be great if you would add an entry to the FAQ or to this list. This is someone's chance at fame and fortune in the world of Open Source! Cheers - Jon Carnes On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 11:11, Jim Popovitch wrote: > Is there a simple list somewhere of all the MM list variables (e.g. > real_name) that can be used when editing the HTLM for public list pages? > > Thanks, > > -Jim P. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Sat Feb 8 01:54:21 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 00:54:21 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List variables In-Reply-To: <1044663623.1614.13.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030208003826.03beecd8@pop3.demon.co.uk> Try something like the following on the command line might get you started: mailman at mailman2:/mailman/run> bin/config_list -o /tmp/mmconf.txt rbtest mailman at mailman2:/mailman/run> python Python 2.2.2 (#2, Jan 13 2003, 17:17:19) [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (SuSE)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> st = {} >>> execfile('/tmp/mmconf.txt', st) >>> st.keys() # generate a list of list attribs + a little junk When I've got a few minutes I'll tidy the idea up and put it in the FAQ. At 00:20 08/02/2003, Jon Carnes wrote: >This isn't in the FAQ, so if you stumle across it, it would be great if >you would add an entry to the FAQ or to this list. > >This is someone's chance at fame and fortune in the world of Open >Source! > >Cheers - Jon Carnes > >On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 11:11, Jim Popovitch wrote: > > Is there a simple list somewhere of all the MM list variables (e.g. > > real_name) that can be used when editing the HTLM for public list pages? > > > > Thanks, > > > > -Jim P. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.demon.co.uk > From reb at taco.com Sat Feb 8 02:20:40 2003 From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 20:20:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Solaris 9 In-Reply-To: <009501c2ce22$33c31cb0$9a0bee84@FDUJACK> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030207201910.039cd240@mail.taco.com> At 03:56 PM 2/6/2003 -0500, jsingh wrote: >Dear Users >I wanted to know if anyone had successfully installed python/Mailman on >Solaris 9 OS. Yes -- it works great! We're currently running Python 2.2.2 and Mailman 2.0.13. We're moving to 2.1 soon and we don't expect any problems related to our use of Solaris. reb From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Feb 8 02:31:03 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 07 Feb 2003 20:31:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Questions In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030207153359.05785900@192.168.0.3> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030207153359.05785900@192.168.0.3> Message-ID: <1044667867.1610.30.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 15:44, Larry Hansford wrote: > At 02:57 PM 2/7/2003, you wrote: > >Finally - one question about the features of Mailman. Is it possible to > >set up a "mail merge" (like with MS Word or other word processing > >software) so that I could put something like :firstname: in the outgoing > >mail and have Mailman replace it with its stored First name for that > >address (basically to personalize the outgoing message). > To continue where Larry left off, You can run Mailman in Personalization mode in which it can substitute the persons name for a variable that you use in the Mail's header or footer. The Personalization aspects of Mailman are minimal as this is the first version (v 2.1.0) that has included personalization, user names (as opposed to simply email addresses), and VERP style troubleshooting. If you don't find that Mailman doesn't meet your needs as well as you think it should, then feel free to drop up to Sourceforge.net and add some suggested changes and features. Detailed examples of requests (and the code to carry them out) are welcome at all Open Source projects. Also, the code is Open and available so it is easy for you to hack into and add or extend any functionality that you need. This is part of the way that Open Source projects grow. Aside: The part that is still missing from Mailman is an SQL connector. Once that is in place then it will be very easy to add all sorts of personalization variables - allowing you to run mail merges that are the envy of Marketing groups the world-over! Take care - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Feb 8 03:02:43 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 07 Feb 2003 21:02:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving doesn't work + National chars in passwords In-Reply-To: <3E43D014.4070408@musikelit.nu> References: <3E43D014.4070408@musikelit.nu> Message-ID: <1044669766.1610.51.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> What version of Python do you have installed? Mailman v2.1.x needs Python 2.2.x It looks like you have a Python module that is incompatible with Mailman v2.1: year, mon, day, hh, mm, ss, wday, ydat, dst = time.strptime(date) AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'strptime' === $ python Python 2.2 (#1, Nov 5 2002, 15:43:24) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Mandrake Linux 8.2 2.96-0.76mdk)] on linux-i386 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import time >>> time.strptime 'Use Ctrl-D (i.e. EOF) to exit.' >>> === On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 10:26, Peter Bengtson wrote: > Messages do not get archived properly. Mac OS 10.1.x, Mailman 2.1. The > logs reveal the following: > > > Feb 07 12:51:16 2003 (389) SHUNTING: 1044618675.177514+be324eff2aafe6a8b13f0aa43b6580cf9d345fc4 > > Feb 07 13:27:59 2003 (389) Uncaught runner exception: 'module' object has no attribute 'strptime' > > Feb 07 13:27:59 2003 (389) Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop > > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile > > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose > > mlist.ArchiveMail(msg) > > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 207, in ArchiveMail > > h.close() > > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 304, in close > > self.update_dirty_archives() > > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 518, in update_dirty_archives > > self.update_archive(i) > > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1032, in update_archive > > self.__super_update_archive(archive) > > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 424, in update_archive > > self._update_simple_index(hdr, archive, arcdir) > > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 434, in _update_simple_index > > self.write_index_header() > > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 949, in write_index_header > > print self.html_head() > > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 637, in html_head > > d = {"listname": html_quote(mlist.real_name, self.lang), > > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 635, in quotetime > > return html_quote(i18n.ctime(s), self.lang) > > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 98, in ctime > > year, mon, day, hh, mm, ss, wday, ydat, dst = time.strptime(date) > > AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'strptime' > > Any ideas? > > Also, using national characters such as ??????? and so forth in a > user-supplied personal password causes Mailman to crash miserably: > > > Bug in Mailman version 2.1 > > We're sorry, we hit a bug! > > If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/Users/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main > > main() > > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 94, in main > > process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata, language) > > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 176, in process_form > > mlist.AddMember(userdesc, remote) > > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 795, in AddMember > > cookie = Pending.new(Pending.SUBSCRIPTION, userdesc) > > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 69, in new > > hashfood = str(now) + str(n) + str(content) > > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/UserDesc.py", line 56, in __repr__ > > return '' % ( > > UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) > > > > / Peter Bengtson > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From barry at python.org Sat Feb 8 05:01:30 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:01:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Normal mails changed to MIME mail References: <3E443E89.90106@debian.org> Message-ID: <15940.33050.135349.704424@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "MJ" == Matthias Juchem writes: MJ> So setting a list to e.g. 'German' implies ISO-8859-1? Am I MJ> getting this right? Yes. MJ> I thought that the language setting only affects the language MJ> and not the charset... It has to because the character set used must match the characters available in the selected language. -Barry From barry at python.org Sat Feb 8 05:07:22 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:07:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Questions References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030207153359.05785900@192.168.0.3> <1044667867.1610.30.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <15940.33402.296224.444594@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "JC" == Jon Carnes writes: JC> Aside: The part that is still missing from Mailman is an SQL JC> connector. Once that is in place then it will be very easy to JC> add all sorts of personalization variables - allowing you to JC> run mail merges that are the envy of Marketing groups the JC> world-over! Something like this is definitely on my wish list -- eventually. -Barry From barry at python.org Sat Feb 8 05:20:04 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:20:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/newlist -> ImportError: No module named None References: Message-ID: <15940.34164.421981.42383@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "MJ" == Matthias Juchem writes: MJ> When doing a bin/newlist, I get an 'ImportError: No module MJ> named None'. Did you set the MTA variable in mm_cfg.py or Defaults.py? -Barry From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Sat Feb 8 05:40:23 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:40:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Subscription - setting digest as default In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030207130440.00bb99c8@mail.whoffman.com>; from warren@whoffman.com on Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 01:06:42PM -0500 References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030207130440.00bb99c8@mail.whoffman.com> Message-ID: <20030207234023.C10297@dogpound.vnet.net> I'm confirming this on my installation too. Using mailman 2.1. Set digest_is_default to digest then went to the mass-subscribe and none of the members were subscribed as digest members. * Warren Hoffman (warren at whoffman.com) wrote: > I see how that can be done via the command line (using separate files for > digest and non-digest subscribers). However, it does not appear via the web > panels - and I'd rather do it that way. I set digest as a default, did a > "mass subscribe" with two people, but the digest flag wasn't set. Am I > missing something? -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ I may not be perfect, but parts of me are excellent. From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com Sat Feb 8 05:50:19 2003 From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganeshh) Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 10:20:19 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Subscribed members vanished]Looks to be simple Problem, though Strange] References: <3E425F17.5060906@lateralsoftware.com> <20030207144041.A8171@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: <3E448C8B.6060103@lateralsoftware.com> Yes , Absolutely! What alarms me is that, i dont "del" stamp in the /home/mailman/logs/subscribe file. Can you tell me why? rather i want to ensure , was the file with entries would have been purposely deleted Warm Regards Ganeshh Matthew Davis wrote: >Not sure if I'm following you. Are you saying that users ghh@ user1@ >paul_r@ bosco@ quality@ claus@ robert.faulkner@ roz.sutton@ and >claire.paszkiewicz@ (what a name...) are not on your list anymore? > >* Ganeshh (ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com) wrote: > >>Dear Lists >> >>I am running 30 lists on mailman 2.0.8 and out of which 20 to 25 of them >>are really active. The mailing system is working fine , but i like to >>share with >>you a strange behaviour with mailman, or maybe i dunno it could an human >>error. >> >>I added my 31st list on 23rd January and please find the below log, as >>it routine exercise of creating lists and mass subscribing the members, >>i didnt check the list members status on a daily level. To my surprise >>of out 9 members subscribed, only 3 of them exist. >> >>Log data for /home/mailman/logs/subscribe file >> >>Jan 23 16:27:19 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new ghh at domain.com >>Jan 23 16:27:19 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new user1 at domain.com >>Jan 23 16:27:19 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new paul_r at domain.com >>Jan 23 16:27:20 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new bosco at domain.com >>Jan 23 16:27:20 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new quality at domain.com >>Jan 23 16:27:20 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new claus at domain.com >>Jan 23 16:39:56 2003 (29838) ow-ti: pending roz.sutton at domain.com >>192.168.0.3 >>Jan 23 16:41:03 2003 (29913) ow-ti: pending claire.paszkiewicz at domain.com >>192.168.0.3 >>Jan 23 16:42:23 2003 (29989) ow-ti: pending robert.faulkner at domain.com >>192.168.0.3 >>Jan 23 19:25:01 2003 (6969) ow-ti: new robert.faulkner at domain.com >>Jan 23 20:43:01 2003 (9498) ow-ti: new roz.sutton at domain.com >>Jan 29 17:58:02 2003 (16885) ow-ti: new claire.paszkiewicz at domain.com >> >>My subscribe log was not modified by anyone or tampered, and i dont find any logs of members who arent existing anymore with stamp "deleted" >> >>What could be cause of this problem... >> >>Thanks in Advance >>Ganeshh >> > >-- >Matthew Davis >http://dogpound.vnet.net/ > >Useless Invention: Rubber Kleenex. > > From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Sat Feb 8 06:11:19 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 00:11:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Subscribed members vanished]Looks to be simple Problem, though Strange] In-Reply-To: <3E448C8B.6060103@lateralsoftware.com>; from ganeshh@lateralsoftware.com on Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 10:20:19AM +0530 References: <3E425F17.5060906@lateralsoftware.com> <20030207144041.A8171@dogpound.vnet.net> <3E448C8B.6060103@lateralsoftware.com> Message-ID: <20030208001119.A11498@dogpound.vnet.net> Can you reproduce this? Are the users that 'vanished' similiar in some way? What version of mailman are you using? From the look of the timestamp in the subscribe log, the first group was added all together, then the rest of the addresses were added seperate. Was the same process followed for each of them (for example, did you add all them from the web page or from command line)? * Ganeshh (ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com) wrote: > Yes , Absolutely! > > What alarms me is that, i dont "del" stamp in the > /home/mailman/logs/subscribe file. > > Can you tell me why? rather i want to ensure , was the file with entries > would have been purposely deleted > > Warm Regards > Ganeshh > > Matthew Davis wrote: > > >Not sure if I'm following you. Are you saying that users ghh@ user1@ > >paul_r@ bosco@ quality@ claus@ robert.faulkner@ roz.sutton@ and > >claire.paszkiewicz@ (what a name...) are not on your list anymore? > > > >* Ganeshh (ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com) wrote: > > > >>Dear Lists > >> > >>I am running 30 lists on mailman 2.0.8 and out of which 20 to 25 of them > >>are really active. The mailing system is working fine , but i like to > >>share with > >>you a strange behaviour with mailman, or maybe i dunno it could an human > >>error. > >> > >>I added my 31st list on 23rd January and please find the below log, as > >>it routine exercise of creating lists and mass subscribing the members, > >>i didnt check the list members status on a daily level. To my surprise > >>of out 9 members subscribed, only 3 of them exist. > >> > >>Log data for /home/mailman/logs/subscribe file > >> > >>Jan 23 16:27:19 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new ghh at domain.com > >>Jan 23 16:27:19 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new user1 at domain.com > >>Jan 23 16:27:19 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new paul_r at domain.com > >>Jan 23 16:27:20 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new bosco at domain.com > >>Jan 23 16:27:20 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new quality at domain.com > >>Jan 23 16:27:20 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new claus at domain.com > >>Jan 23 16:39:56 2003 (29838) ow-ti: pending roz.sutton at domain.com > >>192.168.0.3 > >>Jan 23 16:41:03 2003 (29913) ow-ti: pending claire.paszkiewicz at domain.com > >>192.168.0.3 > >>Jan 23 16:42:23 2003 (29989) ow-ti: pending robert.faulkner at domain.com > >>192.168.0.3 > >>Jan 23 19:25:01 2003 (6969) ow-ti: new robert.faulkner at domain.com > >>Jan 23 20:43:01 2003 (9498) ow-ti: new roz.sutton at domain.com > >>Jan 29 17:58:02 2003 (16885) ow-ti: new claire.paszkiewicz at domain.com -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Useless Invention: Flashbulb tester. From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Sat Feb 8 06:43:41 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 00:43:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Subscription - setting digest as default In-Reply-To: <20030207234023.C10297@dogpound.vnet.net> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030207130440.00bb99c8@mail.whoffman.com> <20030207234023.C10297@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: <20030208054341.GK28933@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Davis wrote: > I'm confirming this on my installation too. Using mailman 2.1. > > Set digest_is_default to digest then went to the mass-subscribe and none of > the members were subscribed as digest members. Let me preface this by saying that I am *not* a python hacker nor do I know Mailman all that well... but I was curious. In ~mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py, there's a method, change_options, which appears to handle the mass subscribe. In that method, at line 1237, digest is set to 0. Looking at similar code in ~mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py, digest is set to mlist.digest_is_default. That seemed like a reasonable thing to use in change_options so I tried it and it appears to work. I thoroughly tested this patch for all of 10 minutes. :-) - --- Mailman/Cgi/admin.py.org Sat Feb 8 00:31:14 2003 +++ Mailman/Cgi/admin.py Sat Feb 8 00:29:52 2003 @@ -1234,7 +1234,7 @@ # Default is to subscribe subscribe_or_invite = safeint('subscribe_or_invite', 0) invitation = cgidata.getvalue('invitation', '') - - digest = 0 + digest = mlist.digest_is_default if not mlist.digestable: digest = 0 if not mlist.nondigestable: I'm actually just curious to see if I'm on the right track here, so you'd be wise to wait for Barry or another knowledgeable Mailman and/or Python hacker to post a proper fix. ;) - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ I used to think the brain was the most advanced part of the body. Then I realized, look what's telling me that. -- Emo Phillips -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+RJkNuv+09NZUB1oRAhoJAKC5ivyyXxkmlri5+uJ35LfWjTxnswCfdbBv jv3iRmyuwcKm1RvGgpS3Ir0= =AExL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Feb 8 08:31:42 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 01:31:42 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Subscribed members vanished]Looks to be simpleProblem, though Strange] References: <3E425F17.5060906@lateralsoftware.com><20030207144041.A8171@dogpound.vnet.net><3E448C8B.6060103@lateralsoftware.com> <20030208001119.A11498@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: <001701c2cf44$20a1de00$1501a8c0@anncons2> Interesting... which three members are subscribed? robert.faulkner at domain.com roz.sutton at domain.com claire.paszkiewicz at domain.com These are the last three. If they are subscribed and not the earlier folks then you might have deleted the list and re-made it - thus the deleting of members would not show up. Another thought is that the config.db.last got copied over the config.db thus wiping out any modifications done in one sitting. Do you have any backup/restores that might have taken place between 1600 hours and 1900 hours on Jan 23rd? Without evidence to the contrary (like log entries of problems or a recent upgrade of Python on the system), I would suspect human intervention of some kind. I ran 2.0.8 at one of my sites for quite a long time and never saw any problems. Heck I even upgraded Python on one of my 2.0.8 sites without re-installing Mailman and it still ran like a champ! Take care and good Luck! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Davis" To: "Ganeshh" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] [Subscribed members vanished]Looks to be simpleProblem, though Strange] Can you reproduce this? Are the users that 'vanished' similiar in some way? What version of mailman are you using? >From the look of the timestamp in the subscribe log, the first group was added all together, then the rest of the addresses were added seperate. Was the same process followed for each of them (for example, did you add all them from the web page or from command line)? * Ganeshh (ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com) wrote: > Yes , Absolutely! > > What alarms me is that, i dont "del" stamp in the > /home/mailman/logs/subscribe file. > > Can you tell me why? rather i want to ensure , was the file with entries > would have been purposely deleted > > Warm Regards > Ganeshh > > Matthew Davis wrote: > > >Not sure if I'm following you. Are you saying that users ghh@ user1@ > >paul_r@ bosco@ quality@ claus@ robert.faulkner@ roz.sutton@ and > >claire.paszkiewicz@ (what a name...) are not on your list anymore? > > > >* Ganeshh (ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com) wrote: > > > >>Dear Lists > >> > >>I am running 30 lists on mailman 2.0.8 and out of which 20 to 25 of them > >>are really active. The mailing system is working fine , but i like to > >>share with > >>you a strange behaviour with mailman, or maybe i dunno it could an human > >>error. > >> > >>I added my 31st list on 23rd January and please find the below log, as > >>it routine exercise of creating lists and mass subscribing the members, > >>i didnt check the list members status on a daily level. To my surprise > >>of out 9 members subscribed, only 3 of them exist. > >> > >>Log data for /home/mailman/logs/subscribe file > >> > >>Jan 23 16:27:19 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new ghh at domain.com > >>Jan 23 16:27:19 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new user1 at domain.com > >>Jan 23 16:27:19 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new paul_r at domain.com > >>Jan 23 16:27:20 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new bosco at domain.com > >>Jan 23 16:27:20 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new quality at domain.com > >>Jan 23 16:27:20 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new claus at domain.com > >>Jan 23 16:39:56 2003 (29838) ow-ti: pending roz.sutton at domain.com > >>192.168.0.3 > >>Jan 23 16:41:03 2003 (29913) ow-ti: pending claire.paszkiewicz at domain.com > >>192.168.0.3 > >>Jan 23 16:42:23 2003 (29989) ow-ti: pending robert.faulkner at domain.com > >>192.168.0.3 > >>Jan 23 19:25:01 2003 (6969) ow-ti: new robert.faulkner at domain.com > >>Jan 23 20:43:01 2003 (9498) ow-ti: new roz.sutton at domain.com > >>Jan 29 17:58:02 2003 (16885) ow-ti: new claire.paszkiewicz at domain.com -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Useless Invention: Flashbulb tester. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu Sat Feb 8 12:42:43 2003 From: peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu (Peter Bengtson) Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 12:42:43 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving doesn't work + National chars in passwords References: <3E43D014.4070408@musikelit.nu> <1044669766.1610.51.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <3E44ED33.3030006@musikelit.nu> Python 2.2 is indeed installed, so that can't be the issue. bin/check_perms reveals no problems either. I've used the 2.1 alphas and betas for a long time without any problems. The archives stopped working fairly lately, but I'm not sure it happened when installing 2.1. It might have been a little earlier. Any ideas? I need those archives. / Peter Bengtson Jon Carnes wrote: > What version of Python do you have installed? Mailman v2.1.x needs > Python 2.2.x > > It looks like you have a Python module that is incompatible with Mailman > v2.1: > year, mon, day, hh, mm, ss, wday, ydat, dst = time.strptime(date) > AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'strptime' From danny at terweij.nl Sat Feb 8 13:32:39 2003 From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 13:32:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving doesn't work + National chars inpasswords References: <3E43D014.4070408@musikelit.nu><1044669766.1610.51.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <3E44ED33.3030006@musikelit.nu> Message-ID: <009c01c2cf6e$2b5b4870$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org> > Jon Carnes wrote: > > What version of Python do you have installed? Mailman v2.1.x needs > > Python 2.2.x > > > > It looks like you have a Python module that is incompatible with Mailman > > v2.1: > > year, mon, day, hh, mm, ss, wday, ydat, dst = time.strptime(date) > > AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'strptime' Can a python version check be buildin when you do a ./configure or make ? So it does not install if no good python is on the system? Danny. From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Feb 8 16:27:49 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 08 Feb 2003 10:27:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving doesn't work + National chars in passwords In-Reply-To: <3E44ED33.3030006@musikelit.nu> References: <3E43D014.4070408@musikelit.nu> <3E44ED33.3030006@musikelit.nu> Message-ID: <1044718074.1636.6.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> That being the case (it was working then it simply stopped) the problem must be one of the emails in the queue. On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 06:42, Peter Bengtson wrote: > Python 2.2 is indeed installed, so that can't be the issue. > bin/check_perms reveals no problems either. > > I've used the 2.1 alphas and betas for a long time without any problems. > The archives stopped working fairly lately, but I'm not sure it happened > when installing 2.1. It might have been a little earlier. > > Any ideas? I need those archives. > > / Peter Bengtson > > Jon Carnes wrote: > > What version of Python do you have installed? Mailman v2.1.x needs > > Python 2.2.x > > > > It looks like you have a Python module that is incompatible with Mailman > > v2.1: > > year, mon, day, hh, mm, ss, wday, ydat, dst = time.strptime(date) > > AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'strptime' > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From lists at konfido.de Sat Feb 8 16:58:41 2003 From: lists at konfido.de (Matthias Juchem) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 16:58:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/newlist -> ImportError: No module named None In-Reply-To: <15940.34164.421981.42383@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <15940.34164.421981.42383@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: On Saturday, 8. February 2003 05:20, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > >>>>> "MJ" == Matthias Juchem writes: > > MJ> When doing a bin/newlist, I get an 'ImportError: No module > MJ> named None'. > > Did you set the MTA variable in mm_cfg.py or Defaults.py? Well, I've set it according to this sentence in the description: # [..] Some MTAs like Exim can be # configured to automatically recognize new lists, in which case the MTA # variable should be set to None.[..] So mm_cfg.py says: MTA = 'None' Regards, Matthias From peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu Sat Feb 8 17:01:24 2003 From: peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu (Peter Bengtson) Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 17:01:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving doesn't work + National chars in passwords References: <3E43D014.4070408@musikelit.nu> <1044669766.1610.51.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <3E44ED33.3030006@musikelit.nu> <1044718074.1636.6.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <3E4529D4.7020907@musikelit.nu> There are no mails in the queue, so that's not the answer either (I wouldn't report this as a bug or configuration issue if I hadn't checked the most obvious things first). My guess, as a programmer, is that something was changed in one of the late betas. The error message > AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'strptime' certainly indicates the issue is related to module handling. / Peter Jon Carnes wrote: > That being the case (it was working then it simply stopped) the problem > must be one of the emails in the queue. > > On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 06:42, Peter Bengtson wrote: > >>Python 2.2 is indeed installed, so that can't be the issue. >>bin/check_perms reveals no problems either. >> >>I've used the 2.1 alphas and betas for a long time without any problems. >>The archives stopped working fairly lately, but I'm not sure it happened >>when installing 2.1. It might have been a little earlier. >> >>Any ideas? I need those archives. >> >> / Peter Bengtson >> >>Jon Carnes wrote: >> >>>What version of Python do you have installed? Mailman v2.1.x needs >>>Python 2.2.x >>> >>>It looks like you have a Python module that is incompatible with Mailman >>>v2.1: >>> year, mon, day, hh, mm, ss, wday, ydat, dst = time.strptime(date) >>> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'strptime' >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------ >>Mailman-Users mailing list >>Mailman-Users at python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >>This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com >>Unsubscribe or change your options at >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > > From barry at python.org Sat Feb 8 17:28:53 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 11:28:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/newlist -> ImportError: No module named None References: <15940.34164.421981.42383@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <15941.12357.983719.693332@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "MJ" == Matthias Juchem writes: MJ> MTA = 'None' Whoops! None is a special value in Python and shouldn't be quoted. Change that to MTA = None and you should be good to go. -Barry From paul at fpen.org Sat Feb 8 17:53:55 2003 From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 10:53:55 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble getting htdig to work Message-ID: I am attempting to get htdig to work on a RedHat 8.0 system with Apache 2.0, htdig 3.2.0 and Mailman 2.1 I installed the 4 patches (668685, 661138, 444879 & 444884) to Mailman 2.1 to create the searchable archives for Mailman with htdig, and then reinstalled mailman. Created the link: ln -s /var/mailman/archives/htdig /etc/htdig-mailman and in mm_cfg.py, to make this compatible with RH8 I added: HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH = '/usr/bin/rundig' Then added: USE_HTDIG = 1 to mm_cfg.py and then ran the indexing engine: /var/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig -v and I get: /usr/bin/rundig: line 48: 1104 Aborted $BINDIR/htnotify $opts htfuzzy: Unable to open word database /var/lib/htdig/db.words.db but I would think htfuzzy should look in: /var/mailman/archives/private//htdig/db.words.db In addition, when I look at the source for the search form on an archive page I see
. But on my system, htsearch exists in /usr/bin. What am I overlooking? Paul -- Paul Kleeberg paul at fpen.org From lists at konfido.de Sat Feb 8 17:57:03 2003 From: lists at konfido.de (Matthias Juchem) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 17:57:03 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/newlist -> ImportError: No module named None In-Reply-To: <15941.12357.983719.693332@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <15941.12357.983719.693332@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: On Saturday, 8. February 2003 17:28, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > >>>>> "MJ" == Matthias Juchem writes: > > MJ> MTA = 'None' > > Whoops! None is a special value in Python and shouldn't be quoted. > Change that to > > MTA = None > > and you should be good to go. Ok, works fine now. Thank you. Matthias From lists at konfido.de Sat Feb 8 18:03:51 2003 From: lists at konfido.de (Matthias Juchem) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 18:03:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Normal mails changed to MIME mail In-Reply-To: <15940.33050.135349.704424@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <15940.33050.135349.704424@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: On Saturday, 8. February 2003 05:01, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > >>>>> "MJ" == Matthias Juchem writes: > > MJ> I thought that the language setting only affects the language > MJ> and not the charset... > > It has to because the character set used must match the characters > available in the selected language. Ok. Hmmm, maybe there should be two options: - charset/language for mail messages - language for web pages or some other split of the one option preferred_language Currently, it is not possible to have a German language web UI with an English language list, is it? Another alternative would be to have the ability to select a charset for the mail messages indepently from the language and the recode messages to match the charset... Regards, Matthias From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Sat Feb 8 19:23:00 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 18:23:00 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble getting htdig to work In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030208175101.038e6bd0@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 16:53 08/02/2003, Paul Kleeberg wrote: >I am attempting to get htdig to work on a RedHat 8.0 system with Apache >2.0, htdig 3.2.0 and Mailman 2.1 > >I installed the 4 patches (668685, 661138, 444879 & 444884) to Mailman 2.1 >to create the searchable archives for Mailman with htdig, and then >reinstalled mailman. Created the link: > > ln -s /var/mailman/archives/htdig /etc/htdig-mailman As long as htidg was configured with /etc as the default directory to contain htdig configuration files this should be OK. >and in mm_cfg.py, to make this compatible with RH8 I added: > > HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH = '/usr/bin/rundig' If that's where the Redhat RPM installed rundig, that's OK >Then added: > > USE_HTDIG = 1 > >to mm_cfg.py > >and then ran the indexing engine: > > /var/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig -v > >and I get: > > /usr/bin/rundig: line 48: 1104 Aborted $BINDIR/htnotify $opts > htfuzzy: Unable to open word database /var/lib/htdig/db.words.db > >but I would think htfuzzy should look in: > > /var/mailman/archives/private//htdig/db.words.db Have you checked out the section under heading "htdig Permissions Considerations" in the file INSTALL.htdig-mm which patch 444884 installs in $build? Some of the htdig 'databases' generated by the components called by rundig can be safely shared between lists while others need to be list specific to avoid information leakage from one list's indexes into another's. htdig Permissions Considerations ------------------------------------ Python scripts added by this patch (nightly_htdig and its relatives) run the htdig rundig script identified by HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH to build search indices for Mailman archives. Code added by this patch generates per list htdig configuration files which are passed as a parameter to the rundig script. These configuration files identify a list specific directory ($prefix/archives/private//htdig) in which list specific data files generated by and used by htdig are to be placed. However, the rundig script identified by HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH may attempt to generate some files in htdig's COMMON_DIR when it is first run by nightly_htdig; the files concerned are likely to be root2word.db, word2root.db, synonyms.db and possibly some others generated by htidg's htfuzzy program. The standard rundig script generates these files selectively if they do not already exist. Depending on how you have installed htdig and how the rundig script is first run, there may be a permissions problem when nightly_hdig executes rundig under the mailman UID if it tries to generate these files. Basically you may have to change permssions over the htdig common directory . For instance on my internal test system I have the following setup: mailman at mailman2:/opt/www/htdig> ls -l total 16 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 13 16:28 bin drwxrwxr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jan 14 17:19 common drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 14 17:22 conf drwxrwxr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jan 14 17:19 db mailman at mailman2:/opt/www/htdig> ls -l db total 0 mailman at mailman2:/opt/www/htdig> ls -l common/ total 6248 -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 84 Jan 13 16:28 bad_words -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 923308 Jan 13 16:28 english.0 -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 5756 Jan 13 16:28 english.aff -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 190 Jan 13 16:28 footer.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 877 Jan 13 16:28 header.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 194 Jan 13 16:28 long.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 1390 Jan 13 16:28 nomatch.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 2285568 Jan 14 17:19 root2word.db -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 67 Jan 13 16:28 short.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 14481 Jan 13 16:28 synonyms -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 90112 Jan 14 17:19 synonyms.db -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 1261 Jan 13 16:28 syntax.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 3022848 Jan 14 17:19 word2root.db -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 1087 Jan 13 16:28 wrapper.html mailman at mailman2:/opt/www/htdig> As you can see 3 of the files in common were written by the mailman userid when nightly_htdig first ran rundig. You will have to tweak things to suit your htdig installation setup. >In addition, when I look at the source for the search form on an archive >page I see . But on my >system, htsearch exists in /usr/bin. The htsearch program has to be available to the web server in a directory from which the server is prepared to run cgi programs. Remember that execution of htdig's components is in two parts. The indexing of the material is typically done by a cron script running htidg components as one some user id from whatever was set up as htdig's bin directory, for example /opt/www/htdig/bin. The 'search' operation, i.e. looking up stuff in the search indexes, using htsearch is run as a cgi-bin script under the auspices of the User/Group your web server is configured to run as. I think it is usual for the htdig installation process to involve copying htsearch into the cgi-bin directory in whatever is configured by the ServerRoot directive in your web server's httpd.conf file. Personally, I build htdig from source and in any event run SuSe Linux so I do not know how the Redhat RPMs have been configured. If all else fails, as root, copy htsearch into the web server's cgi-bin directory and make sure that it readable and excutable but not writable by owner, group and other. >What am I overlooking? > >Paul >-- >Paul Kleeberg >paul at fpen.org Let me know if you continue to have problems. From sakalis at cti.gr Sat Feb 8 20:55:40 2003 From: sakalis at cti.gr (Sakalis Georgios) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 21:55:40 +0200 (EET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] error at make install Message-ID: wile I am trying to install mailman 2.1 on an SGI O2 i get this error Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/ru Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/sv Cannot create directory "/usr/local/mailman/messages/de": File exists Cannot create /usr/local/mailman/messages/de/#inst.182054# - Not a directory *** Error code 2 (bu21) *** Error code 1 (bu21) Any idea? From simon at mtds.com Sat Feb 8 23:07:24 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 22:07:24 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stat's In-Reply-To: <1044646953.23018.42.camel@denali.freelock.com> References: <6ABA66D8-393C-11D7-AFBC-000393012174@uci.edu> <6ABA66D8-393C-11D7-AFBC-000393012174@uci.edu> <5.2.0.9.2.20030206223421.027348e0@192.168.0.3> <00ad01c2ce80$6c8fe2e0$1501a8c0@anncons2> <20030207093100.GL26806@mtds.com> <1044646953.23018.42.camel@denali.freelock.com> Message-ID: <20030208220724.GB30010@mtds.com> 07-Feb-03 at 11:42, John Locke (mail at freelock.com) wrote : > Hello, Simon, > > I've got other stuff going on right now, but I saved your message with > your scripts, and plan to evaluate them/convert them for PHP/MySQL when > I get a chance. (probably not this week!) Thanks for letting me know. It's always nice if my work can be useful to someone. > > I didn't hear from anyone that my scripts I posted might be useful, so > > if they are to anyone, let me know, and I will post back the other half > > of the script to synchronise back to the SQL server (although it appears > > this may become redundant when SQL plugins for Mailman exist). > > > Yes, I'd like to see the rest of your scripts... I have ideas on how to > do this, but a few other things that need to get done first. > I'll have to get going on those re-sync back to SQL scripts anyways, I have to adapt what was posted to the like by the other person (just lost his name off my screen - Jon Carnes?) and get back to you. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. simon at mtds.com. Folding at home no log script yet...] Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. -- Rich Cook From paul at fpen.org Sat Feb 8 23:57:28 2003 From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 16:57:28 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble getting htdig to work In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030208175101.038e6bd0@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030208175101.038e6bd0@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: Hooray! (And thank you) It works! ...but there is still a troubling message... At 6:23 PM +0000 2/8/03, Richard Barrett wrote: >At 16:53 08/02/2003, Paul Kleeberg wrote: >>I am attempting to get htdig to work on a RedHat 8.0 system with >>Apache 2.0, htdig 3.2.0 and Mailman 2.1 >> >>[install steps deleted. PK] >> >>and then ran the indexing engine: >> >> /var/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig -v >> >>and I get: >> >> /usr/bin/rundig: line 48: 1104 Aborted $BINDIR/htnotify $opts >> htfuzzy: Unable to open word database /var/lib/htdig/db.words.db >> >>but I would think htfuzzy should look in: >> >> /var/mailman/archives/private//htdig/db.words.db > >Have you checked out the section under heading "htdig Permissions >Considerations"[...] Guilty as charged. I confess my eyes glazed over and assumed that these would be correct given they were part of the RedHat RPMs. Permissions corrected and the installation showed me a warning I had not seen before in between the two lines that appeared once again: htdig'ing archive of list: /usr/bin/rundig: line 48: 1425 Aborted $BINDIR/htnotify $opts Warning: The following is a lengthly process, but it is run only the first time you start ht://Dig. Initializing database... Warning: The following is a lengthly process, but it is run only the first time you start ht://Dig. Initializing database... htfuzzy: Unable to open word database /var/lib/htdig/db.words.db Still that odd error. Searching for the db.words.db file, I find: /var/mailman/archives/private//htdig/db.words.db /var/mailman/archives/private//htdig/db.words.db_weakcmpr but the search appears to work and it appears to fuzzify it finding "fancy or fancied or fancying or fanciness or fancier or fancies or fanciest or fanciers" when searching "fancy" >>In addition, when I look at the source for the search form on an >>archive page I see . >>But on my system, htsearch exists in /usr/bin. > >[...] > >If all else fails, as root, copy htsearch into the web server's >cgi-bin directory and make sure that it readable and excutable but >not writable by owner, group and other. I did what you said it appears to work. However, since I continually update my system with the RedHat up2date program, I do not like having two copies of an executable unless it is necessary. I know there is a way I can alias it from the cgi-bin directory and still have it executable even though it is outside the cgi directory "blessed" by apache but I have to look that one up (unless someone can tell me) :-/ I'm pretty inexperienced in all this. Should I just live with the db.words.db issue? Will it matter? Thanks for your work. This looks great. Paul -- Paul Kleeberg paul at fpen.org From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Sun Feb 9 00:19:05 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 23:19:05 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble getting htdig to work In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030208175101.038e6bd0@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030208175101.038e6bd0@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030208230504.03ad9350@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 22:57 08/02/2003, Paul Kleeberg wrote: >Hooray! (And thank you) It works! ...but there is still a troubling >message... > >At 6:23 PM +0000 2/8/03, Richard Barrett wrote: >>At 16:53 08/02/2003, Paul Kleeberg wrote: >>>I am attempting to get htdig to work on a RedHat 8.0 system with Apache >>>2.0, htdig 3.2.0 and Mailman 2.1 >>> >>>[install steps deleted. PK] >>> >>>and then ran the indexing engine: >>> >>> /var/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig -v >>> >>>and I get: >>> >>> /usr/bin/rundig: line 48: 1104 Aborted $BINDIR/htnotify $opts >>> htfuzzy: Unable to open word database /var/lib/htdig/db.words.db >>> >>>but I would think htfuzzy should look in: >>> >>> /var/mailman/archives/private//htdig/db.words.db >> >>Have you checked out the section under heading "htdig Permissions >>Considerations"[...] > >Guilty as charged. I confess my eyes glazed over and assumed that these >would be correct given they were part of the RedHat RPMs. Permissions >corrected and the installation showed me a warning I had not seen before >in between the two lines that appeared once again: > > htdig'ing archive of list: > /usr/bin/rundig: line 48: 1425 Aborted $BINDIR/htnotify $opts > Warning: > The following is a lengthly process, but it is run only > the first time you start ht://Dig. Initializing database... > Warning: > The following is a lengthly process, but it is run only > the first time you start ht://Dig. Initializing database... > htfuzzy: Unable to open word database /var/lib/htdig/db.words.db > >Still that odd error. Searching for the db.words.db file, I find: > > /var/mailman/archives/private//htdig/db.words.db > /var/mailman/archives/private//htdig/db.words.db_weakcmpr > >but the search appears to work and it appears to fuzzify it finding "fancy >or fancied or fancying or fanciness or fancier or fancies or fanciest or >fanciers" when searching "fancy" > >>>In addition, when I look at the source for the search form on an archive >>>page I see . But on my >>>system, htsearch exists in /usr/bin. >> >>[...] >> >>If all else fails, as root, copy htsearch into the web server's cgi-bin >>directory and make sure that it readable and excutable but not writable >>by owner, group and other. > >I did what you said it appears to work. However, since I continually >update my system with the RedHat up2date program, I do not like having two >copies of an executable unless it is necessary. I know there is a way I >can alias it from the cgi-bin directory and still have it executable even >though it is outside the cgi directory "blessed" by apache but I have to >look that one up (unless someone can tell me) :-/ I'm pretty >inexperienced in all this. I guess you could put a symbolic link in the server's cgi-bin directory to wherever the htsearch is installed by the htdig RPM. But then you've got the issue of getting Apache to follow the link, and generally it is bad security to tell the server to follow links out into your main file system rather than restricting it to working under the ServerRoot. I'll get access to a Redhat running sytem and try an check out the Redhat RPMs. If/when I've got some useful input I'll e-mail you. >Should I just live with the db.words.db issue? Will it matter? This may be an htdig version related issue. The testing I did was with the 'production' htdig 3.1.6; that's what I am running on my 'production' system. On checking the htdig.org web site, htdig 3.2 still seems to be at beta status. But it appears from what you say that Redhat are including it as a 'production' RPM. On Monday I will try bringing up htdig 3.2-latest-I-can-find on my test system and see I can reproduce the problem you are seeing. I'll get back to you after I've fooled around with that. >Thanks for your work. This looks great. Glad its working, after a fashion, for you. >Paul >-- >Paul Kleeberg >paul at fpen.org From paul at fpen.org Sun Feb 9 01:53:38 2003 From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 18:53:38 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble getting htdig to work In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030208230504.03ad9350@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030208175101.038e6bd0@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030208175101.038e6bd0@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030208230504.03ad9350@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: At 11:19 PM +0000 2/8/03, Richard Barrett wrote: >At 22:57 08/02/2003, Paul Kleeberg wrote: >>Hooray! (And thank you) It works! ...but there is still a >>troubling message... >> >> >> htdig'ing archive of list: >> /usr/bin/rundig: line 48: 1425 Aborted $BINDIR/htnotify $opts >> Warning: >> The following is a lengthly process, but it is run only >> the first time you start ht://Dig. Initializing database... >> Warning: >> The following is a lengthly process, but it is run only >> the first time you start ht://Dig. Initializing database... >> htfuzzy: Unable to open word database /var/lib/htdig/db.words.db >> >>Still that odd error. Searching for the db.words.db file, I find: >> >> /var/mailman/archives/private//htdig/db.words.db >> /var/mailman/archives/private//htdig/db.words.db_weakcmpr >> >>[...] >> >>Should I just live with the db.words.db issue? Will it matter? > >This may be an htdig version related issue. The testing I did was >with the 'production' htdig 3.1.6; that's what I am running on my >'production' system. On checking the htdig.org web site, htdig 3.2 >still seems to be at beta status. But it appears from what you say >that Redhat are including it as a 'production' RPM. Looking at the information page for htfuzzy http://www.htdig.org/htfuzzy.html it appears it can be instructed to use a specified configuration file instead of the default. I suspect that would solve the above problem. It appears it uses htdig.conf instead of the list-specific config files found in htdig-mailman where "database_dir: /var/mailman/archives/private//htdig" Just so you know, it is in the standard "everything" install of the cheapest CD version of 8.0 but looking at the bottom of the search result page on my newly htdigged site, I see: ht://Dig 3.2.0b4-20020505 Clearly beta. Paul -- Paul Kleeberg, M.D. O o paul at fpen.org Family Physicians' E-Net -+---+- Voice: 612-840-3744 5025 Mulcare Drive |_o_| Family Practice & Columbia Heights, MN 55421 USA / \|/ \ Information Services From barry at python.org Sun Feb 9 02:39:14 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 20:39:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.1 Message-ID: <15941.45378.536004.128513@gargle.gargle.HOWL> I've released Mailman 2.1.1 which includes many bug fixes and language updates. This release includes a fix for the cross-site scripting vulnerability, a fix for the cookie problem, any many other bugs. I recommend that all Mailman 2.1 users upgrade to this release. As usual, I've made both a full source tarball and a patch file available. See http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103 for links to download all the patches and the source tarballs. If you decide to install the patches, please do read the release notes first: http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=97760 Note that applying the patch does /not/ completely update the language support. If you go the patch route, you will want to cd into the messages directory and run "make catalogs" before installing. This will only work if your OS has the necessary language tools installed. You don't need to do this if your lists are all English-only. If you have a problem, please download and install the full release. It is safe to install this over version 2.1. You can simply run configure the way you did for 2.1, then do a make install. Be sure you restart your mailman daemon by doing a "mailmanctl restart" after installing. See also: http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman http://www.list.org http://mailman.sf.net Cheers, -Barry -------------------- snip snip -------------------- 2.1.1 (08-Feb-2003) Lots of bug fixes and language updates. Also: - Closed a cross-site scripting vulnerability in the user options page. - Restore the ability to control which headers show up in messages included in plaintext and MIME digests. See the variables PLAIN_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS and MIME_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS in Defaults.py. - Messages included in the plaintext digests are now sent through the scrubber to remove (and archive) attachments. Otherwise, attachments would screw up plaintext digests. MIME digests include the attachments inline. From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Sun Feb 9 03:02:07 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 21:02:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.1 In-Reply-To: <15941.45378.536004.128513@gargle.gargle.HOWL>; from barry@python.org on Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 08:39:14PM -0500 References: <15941.45378.536004.128513@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20030208210207.A18666@dogpound.vnet.net> -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman2 mailman2 1281185 Feb 8 19:41 mailman-2.1-2.1.1-diff.txt 1.2 meg for a patch, yikes! Looks like the majority of the patch is the language updates. * Barry A. Warsaw (barry at python.org) wrote: > -------------------- snip snip -------------------- > 2.1.1 (08-Feb-2003) > > Lots of bug fixes and language updates. Also: > > - Closed a cross-site scripting vulnerability in the user options page. > > - Restore the ability to control which headers show up in messages > included in plaintext and MIME digests. See the variables > PLAIN_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS and MIME_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS in > Defaults.py. > > - Messages included in the plaintext digests are now sent through > the scrubber to remove (and archive) attachments. Otherwise, > attachments would screw up plaintext digests. MIME digests > include the attachments inline. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ All new: The software is not compatible with previous versions. From barry at python.org Sun Feb 9 03:43:34 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 21:43:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.1 References: <15941.45378.536004.128513@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20030208210207.A18666@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: <15941.49238.729326.86250@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "MD" == Matthew Davis writes: | -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman2 mailman2 1281185 Feb 8 19:41 | mailman-2.1-2.1.1-diff.txt MD> 1.2 meg for a patch, yikes! Looks like the majority of the MD> patch is the language updates. Unfortunately so. At some point I'll get separate distros, but I haven't had time. :/ -Barry From paul at fpen.org Sun Feb 9 06:47:25 2003 From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 23:47:25 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.1 and htdig In-Reply-To: <15941.45378.536004.128513@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <15941.45378.536004.128513@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: If I wish to use htdig with Mailman 2.1.1, what patches will I need to apply? (And I just got it working .) Paul At 8:39 PM -0500 2/8/03, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: >I've released Mailman 2.1.1 which includes many bug fixes and language >updates. This release includes a fix for the cross-site scripting >vulnerability, a fix for the cookie problem, any many other bugs. I >recommend that all Mailman 2.1 users upgrade to this release. -- Paul Kleeberg paul at fpen.org From jwblist at olympus.net Sun Feb 9 07:02:58 2003 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 22:02:58 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Doubts In-Reply-To: <1043993534.1722.68.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <20030129082457.12150.qmail@webmail9.rediffmail.com> <20030130222142.A13603@dogpound.vnet.net> <1043993534.1722.68.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <200302082202.59037.jwblist@olympus.net> On Thursday 30 January 2003 10:12, Jon Carnes wrote: > I am amazed and astounded - and even more impressed with Cygwin! > How well does the Exim install work? Does it handle email quickly? > > I've got to try this one out. Exim (recent versions) seems happy with Cygwin...including the necessary option to build message IDs in base36 rather than base62 to avoid collisions between upper and lower case letters (the message IDs are used as file names). That in principal allows ID collisions for other reasons, but seemingly not in practice. (Mac OS X needs the same thing, for the same reason.) From lrosa at mail.hypertrek.info Sun Feb 9 09:33:26 2003 From: lrosa at mail.hypertrek.info (Luigi Rosa) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 09:33:26 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [2.x] Removing old archives Message-ID: <42124373734.20030209093326@mail.hypertrek.info> Hello, what is the correct procedure to trmove sole old archive files of a list? If I simply delete the files, will Mailman take care to rebuild the indexes? Thank you in advance. -- Best regards, Luigi From alberto at marcedone.it Sun Feb 9 10:17:11 2003 From: alberto at marcedone.it (Alberto Marcedone) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 10:17:11 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.1 - pseudo attachement Message-ID: <1e5301c2d01c$06f55bc0$6401a8c0@marcedon.it> Barry, I have upgraded Mailman from 2.1 to 2.1.1. All right. But in the new version of mailman it's always present the problem with the pseudo attachement in the footer. You have right, it's an error of outlook, but in the past versione (eg: 2.0x) it's not present. Its very hungry. You can "correct this bug" in mailman, and make the routine of footer attachement it in the same way of the version 2.0.x? Regards. Alberto Marcedone Italy From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Sun Feb 9 11:09:24 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 10:09:24 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.1 and htdig In-Reply-To: References: <15941.45378.536004.128513@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <15941.45378.536004.128513@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030209100046.03aebbc8@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 05:47 09/02/2003, Paul Kleeberg wrote: >If I wish to use htdig with Mailman 2.1.1, what patches will I need to >apply? (And I just got it working .) You can try applying the 2.1 versions of the patch on the MM 2.1.1 distribution; they are quite likely to work OK. If you get no complaints or only get warnings about offsets, and get no patch elements rejected then you are probably good to go. But if you can pause for 24 hours, I'll be doing my own tests against MM 2.1.1 later today/Monday morning and publishing a revised version of my htdig integration patches if they are needed. Check on sourceforge after lunch (UK time) on Monday. Bear in mind I only get access to MM 2.1.1 release at the same time as the rest of the user community. >Paul > >At 8:39 PM -0500 2/8/03, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: >>I've released Mailman 2.1.1 which includes many bug fixes and language >>updates. This release includes a fix for the cross-site scripting >>vulnerability, a fix for the cookie problem, any many other bugs. I >>recommend that all Mailman 2.1 users upgrade to this release. > > >-- >Paul Kleeberg >paul at fpen.org > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.demon.co.uk From gour at mail.inet.hr Sun Feb 9 12:00:33 2003 From: gour at mail.inet.hr (Gour) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 12:00:33 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.1 and htdig In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030209100046.03aebbc8@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: <15941.45378.536004.128513@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <15941.45378.536004.128513@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <5.1.1.6.0.20030209100046.03aebbc8@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030209110033.GA8820@mail.inet.hr> Richard Barrett (r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk) wrote: > Bear in mind I only get access to MM 2.1.1 release at the same time as the > rest of the user community. Any chance that htdig integration patches enter into official release? Sincerely, Gour -- Gour gour at mail.inet.hr Registered Linux User #278493 From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Sun Feb 9 13:50:30 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 12:50:30 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.1 and htdig In-Reply-To: <20030209110033.GA8820@mail.inet.hr> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030209100046.03aebbc8@pop3.demon.co.uk> <15941.45378.536004.128513@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <15941.45378.536004.128513@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <5.1.1.6.0.20030209100046.03aebbc8@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030209124843.00aad090@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 11:00 09/02/2003, Gour wrote: >Richard Barrett (r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk) wrote: > > > Bear in mind I only get access to MM 2.1.1 release at the same time as > the > > rest of the user community. > >Any chance that htdig integration patches enter into official release? It is under consideration and currently a definite maybe. But it isn't likely to be until there is a major update such as MM 2.3 or maybe even MM 3 >Sincerely, >Gour > >-- >Gour >gour at mail.inet.hr >Registered Linux User #278493 From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Sun Feb 9 14:40:19 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 13:40:19 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.1 and htdig Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030209130133.00aad090@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 05:47 09/02/2003, Paul Kleeberg wrote: >If I wish to use htdig with Mailman 2.1.1, what patches will I need to >apply? (And I just got it working .) I have just applied the MM 2.1 versions of patches #661138, #668685, #444879 and #444884 to the MM 2.1.1 source distribution. There are a couple of offset warnings: 1. when patch #444879 is changing files $build/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py and $build/Mailman/Defaults.py.in 2. when patch #44484 is changing files $build/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py and $build/Mailman/Defaults.py.in but the modified files end up in the intended state. The offset warning are just because other, non-conflicting changes have been made in those files in going from 2.1 to 2.1.1 I'll do some confirmatory testing tomorrow when I update my production servers; I'm not prepared to do that from home over the net today and my lunch is waiting to be eaten :) I will post revised #444879 and #444884 patches tomorrow that will apply without the offset warnings but I think you will be OK going ahead and using the most recent 2.1 versions on MM 2.1.1 This is my command line output when applying the patches to MM 2.1.1 is given below. If you get this output from patch the results of the patching should be as is intended: barrett at BARRETT-PTBLE:~/real-home/MM-htdig-dev/real-dev> zcat ../mailman-2.1.1.tgz | tar xf - barrett at BARRETT-PTBLE:~/real-home/MM-htdig-dev/real-dev> cd mailman-2.1.1/ barrett at BARRETT-PTBLE:~/real-home/MM-htdig-dev/real-dev/mailman-2.1.1> patch -p1 < ../../driver-2.1-0.1.patch patching file `scripts/driver' barrett at BARRETT-PTBLE:~/real-home/MM-htdig-dev/real-dev/mailman-2.1.1> patch -p1 < ../../templates-2.1-0.1.patch patching file `templates/de/admindbdetails.html' patching file `templates/en/admindbdetails.html' patching file `templates/es/admindbdetails.html' patching file `templates/et/admindbdetails.html' patching file `templates/fi/admindbdetails.html' patching file `templates/fr/archidxfoot.html' patching file `templates/fr/archidxhead.html' patching file `templates/hu/admindbdetails.html' patching file `templates/it/admindbdetails.html' patching file `templates/ja/admindbdetails.html' patching file `templates/lt/admindbdetails.html' patching file `templates/nl/admindbdetails.html' patching file `templates/nl/article.html' patching file `templates/pt_BR/admindbdetails.html' patching file `templates/sv/admindbdetails.html' patching file `templates/sv/admindbpreamble.html' patching file `templates/sv/article.html' patching file `templates/sv/headfoot.html' barrett at BARRETT-PTBLE:~/real-home/MM-htdig-dev/real-dev/mailman-2.1.1> patch -p1 < ../../indexing-2.1-0.1.patch patching file `Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py' Hunk #1 succeeded at 417 (offset 3 lines). Hunk #3 succeeded at 648 (offset 3 lines). Hunk #5 succeeded at 751 (offset 3 lines). patching file `Mailman/Defaults.py.in' Hunk #1 succeeded at 1202 (offset 15 lines). patching file `README.NOINDEXtags' patching file `templates/cs/article.html' patching file `templates/de/article.html' patching file `templates/en/archidxfoot.html' patching file `templates/en/archidxhead.html' patching file `templates/en/archtoc.html' patching file `templates/en/archtocentry.html' patching file `templates/en/article.html' patching file `templates/es/article.html' patching file `templates/et/article.html' patching file `templates/fi/article.html' patching file `templates/fr/archidxfoot.html' patching file `templates/fr/archidxhead.html' patching file `templates/fr/archtoc.html' patching file `templates/fr/archtocentry.html' patching file `templates/fr/article.html' patching file `templates/hu/archidxfoot.html' patching file `templates/hu/archidxhead.html' patching file `templates/hu/archtoc.html' patching file `templates/hu/archtocentry.html' patching file `templates/hu/article.html' patching file `templates/it/archidxfoot.html' patching file `templates/it/archidxhead.html' patching file `templates/it/archtoc.html' patching file `templates/it/archtocentry.html' patching file `templates/it/article.html' patching file `templates/ja/archidxfoot.html' patching file `templates/ja/archidxhead.html' patching file `templates/ja/archtoc.html' patching file `templates/ja/archtocentry.html' patching file `templates/ja/article.html' patching file `templates/ko/article.html' patching file `templates/lt/archidxfoot.html' patching file `templates/lt/archidxhead.html' patching file `templates/lt/archtoc.html' patching file `templates/lt/archtocentry.html' patching file `templates/lt/article.html' patching file `templates/nl/article.html' patching file `templates/no/archidxfoot.html' patching file `templates/no/archidxhead.html' patching file `templates/no/archtoc.html' patching file `templates/no/archtocentry.html' patching file `templates/no/article.html' patching file `templates/pt_BR/article.html' patching file `templates/ru/archidxfoot.html' patching file `templates/ru/archidxhead.html' patching file `templates/ru/archtoc.html' patching file `templates/ru/archtocentry.html' patching file `templates/ru/article.html' patching file `templates/sv/archtoc.html' patching file `templates/sv/archtocentry.html' patching file `templates/sv/article.html' barrett at BARRETT-PTBLE:~/real-home/MM-htdig-dev/real-dev/mailman-2.1.1> patch -p1 < ../../htdig-2.1-0.3.patch patching file `INSTALL' patching file `INSTALL.htdig-mm' patching file `Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py' Hunk #2 succeeded at 572 (offset 3 lines). Hunk #4 succeeded at 713 (offset 3 lines). patching file `Mailman/Cgi/htdig.py' patching file `Mailman/Defaults.py.in' Hunk #1 succeeded at 1219 (offset 15 lines). patching file `Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py' patching file `Makefile.in' patching file `bin/Makefile.in' patching file `bin/blow_away_htdig' patching file `configure' patching file `configure.in' patching file `cron/Makefile.in' patching file `cron/crontab.in.in' patching file `cron/nightly_htdig' patching file `cron/remote_nightly_htdig' patching file `cron/remote_nightly_htdig.pl' patching file `cron/remote_nightly_htdig_noshare' patching file `src/Makefile.in' patching file `templates/en/TOC_htsearch.html' patching file `templates/en/archtoc.html' patching file `templates/en/htdig_access_error.html' patching file `templates/en/htdig_auth_failure.html' patching file `templates/en/htdig_conf.txt' patching file `templates/fr/archtoc.html' patching file `templates/hu/archtoc.html' patching file `templates/it/archtoc.html' patching file `templates/ja/archtoc.html' patching file `templates/lt/archtoc.html' patching file `templates/no/archtoc.html' patching file `templates/ru/archtoc.html' patching file `templates/sv/archtoc.html' barrett at BARRETT-PTBLE:~/real-home/MM-htdig-dev/real-dev/mailman-2.1.1> From paul at fpen.org Sun Feb 9 15:20:02 2003 From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 08:20:02 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Porting listproc web-archives to Mailman Message-ID: I have a listproc list that has about 12 years of messages which I would like to still make available from within the Mailman web archive interface. How I can accomplish this migration? Some time back Michael James posted a script to migrate lists from listproc but it looks like it only moves the list settings. I tried redirecting a couple of old messages but it didn't preserve the original date. Anyone shed some light on this process? Paul -- Paul Kleeberg paul at fpen.org From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Feb 9 18:17:00 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 09 Feb 2003 12:17:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble getting htdig to work In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030208175101.038e6bd0@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030208175101.038e6bd0@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030208230504.03ad9350@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <1044811025.1605.18.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Having been through this recently at a site I help out on, I can attest that for us, the drop back to HTDig 3.1.6 (away from the 3.2.b4) was well worth the effort. The indexing using v3.1.6 takes 4 minutes for this site. The indexing using v3.2.b4 took over 40 minutes. Using the new features for v3.2.b4 introduced some *interesting* and flaky behaviors. I ended up configuring it to not use any of the new features and that returned some stability (and let it work with Mailman), but it was still dog slow to index the site. The only advantage that we found to the new v3.2.b4 was that it's index files took up half the space of the v3.1.6 index files. The space was not a big deal to us. The speed was. It's interesting that Red Hat should push the beta out on a production release. I found it to be of less than production quality and highly recommend that you remove v3.2.b4 and install v3.1.6 of HTDig. Jon Carnes On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 19:53, Paul Kleeberg wrote: > At 11:19 PM +0000 2/8/03, Richard Barrett wrote: > >At 22:57 08/02/2003, Paul Kleeberg wrote: > >>Hooray! (And thank you) It works! ...but there is still a > >>troubling message... > >> > >> > >> htdig'ing archive of list: > >> /usr/bin/rundig: line 48: 1425 Aborted $BINDIR/htnotify $opts > >> Warning: > >> The following is a lengthly process, but it is run only > >> the first time you start ht://Dig. Initializing database... > >> Warning: > >> The following is a lengthly process, but it is run only > >> the first time you start ht://Dig. Initializing database... > >> htfuzzy: Unable to open word database /var/lib/htdig/db.words.db > >> > >>Still that odd error. Searching for the db.words.db file, I find: > >> > >> /var/mailman/archives/private//htdig/db.words.db > >> /var/mailman/archives/private//htdig/db.words.db_weakcmpr > >> > >>[...] > >> > >>Should I just live with the db.words.db issue? Will it matter? > > > >This may be an htdig version related issue. The testing I did was > >with the 'production' htdig 3.1.6; that's what I am running on my > >'production' system. On checking the htdig.org web site, htdig 3.2 > >still seems to be at beta status. But it appears from what you say > >that Redhat are including it as a 'production' RPM. > > Looking at the information page for htfuzzy > http://www.htdig.org/htfuzzy.html it appears it can be instructed to > use a specified configuration file instead of the default. I suspect > that would solve the above problem. It appears it uses htdig.conf > instead of the list-specific config files found in htdig-mailman > where "database_dir: /var/mailman/archives/private//htdig" > > Just so you know, it is in the standard "everything" install of the > cheapest CD version of 8.0 but looking at the bottom of the search > result page on my newly htdigged site, I see: > > ht://Dig 3.2.0b4-20020505 > > Clearly beta. > > Paul > -- > Paul Kleeberg, M.D. O o paul at fpen.org > Family Physicians' E-Net -+---+- Voice: 612-840-3744 > 5025 Mulcare Drive |_o_| Family Practice & > Columbia Heights, MN 55421 USA / \|/ \ Information Services > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Feb 9 18:38:39 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 09 Feb 2003 12:38:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [2.x] Removing old archives In-Reply-To: <42124373734.20030209093326@mail.hypertrek.info> References: <42124373734.20030209093326@mail.hypertrek.info> Message-ID: <1044812323.1609.41.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> The procedure is well documented in the archives: edit ~mailman/archives/private// When you edit this file delete any emails that you wish to remove from the archives (normally folks delete the early emails at the beginning of the file). For versions before Mailman 2.1 you will need to backup and delete the existing html archive files. cd ~mailman/archives/private/ mkdir .bak cp -a /* .bak rm -rf /* Recreate the html archive files ~mailman/bin/arch Note: the arch command for Mailman version 2.1 has the option "--wipe" which if used will automagically remove the old archive files before re-archiving the mail. Note 2: archiving takes a long time and a lot of cpu. If you have a lot of mail in the archives be patient. HtH - Jon Carnes On Sun, 2003-02-09 at 03:33, Luigi Rosa wrote: > Hello, > what is the correct procedure to trmove sole old archive files of a list? > > If I simply delete the files, will Mailman take care to rebuild the indexes? > > Thank you in advance. > > -- > Best regards, > Luigi > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From david at johmar.com Thu Feb 6 16:43:13 2003 From: david at johmar.com (david at johmar.com) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:43:13 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] newsgroup interface problems Message-ID: Our mailman interface to a newsgroup and was working fine now it only sends mails to the newsgroup, it has stopped receiving newsgroups posts and sending them out as mails. Both newsgroup and mailman servers have been changed recently which makes investigation difficult. any ideas? Thanks David please email david at johmar.com From pmalone1 at swarthmore.edu Thu Feb 6 22:45:52 2003 From: pmalone1 at swarthmore.edu (Tricia Maloney) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 16:45:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delete Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20030206164531.03132b70@mail.swarthmore.edu> How does the administrator delete a list? Tricia Maloney Assistant Director of Alumni Relations Swarthmore College 500 College Avenue Swarthmore, PA 19081 (610) 328-8404 http://www.Swarthmore.edu From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com Fri Feb 7 08:14:26 2003 From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganeshh) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 12:44:26 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [URGENT][SUBSCRIBERS VANISHED, No entries in LOG] References: <3E433EF8.70505@lateralsoftware.com> <15939.22984.983688.579686@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <3E435CD2.4020707@lateralsoftware.com> I shall do the upgradation... But, let me know the cause of this problem.. Thanks Ganeshh Barry A. Warsaw wrote: >>>>>>"ganeshh" == writes: >>>>>> > > ganeshh> I am running 30 lists on mailman 2.0.8 > >You should upgrade at least to Mailman 2.0.13. >-Barry > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: %(user_delivered_to)s >Unsubscribe or change your options at >%(user_optionsurl)s > > From sakalis at cti.gr Sat Feb 8 20:52:01 2003 From: sakalis at cti.gr (Sakalis Georgios) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 21:52:01 +0200 (EET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] error at make install Message-ID: wile I am trying to install mailman 2.1 on an SGI O2 i get this error Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/ru Creating language directory /usr/local/mailman/sv Cannot create directory "/usr/local/mailman/messages/de": File exists Cannot create /usr/local/mailman/messages/de/#inst.182054# - Not a directory *** Error code 2 (bu21) *** Error code 1 (bu21) Any idea? From mirzaei at itc.ir Sun Feb 9 06:49:42 2003 From: mirzaei at itc.ir (mirzaei) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 09:19:42 +0330 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have problem Message-ID: <00ca01c2cfff$14a4a5e0$1800a8c0@it.com> Hello dear sir/madam I have a mailing list and i can't view the attachments in archive correctly .please tell me how I can see the attachment ( pictures & text in Persian) in archive .I set the encoding in UTF (8).The address is http://mail.itc.ir/mailman/listinfo/ssg . Thank you Teyebh mirzaei From paul at fpen.org Sun Feb 9 19:52:58 2003 From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 12:52:58 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble getting htdig to work In-Reply-To: <1044811025.1605.18.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030208175101.038e6bd0@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030208175101.038e6bd0@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030208230504.03ad9350@pop3.demon.co.uk> <1044811025.1605.18.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: Well it may look like it will be out with the new and in with the old. What is interesting is that RedHat lists the file as htdig-3.2.0-7.20020505 - not a mention of the "beta" term. Must have been a typo by someone with bad eyesight who typed "-7" instead of "b4" ;-) Now does that also mean I would have to replace htdig-web since it has the same release numbers on the RedHat site as htdig? (I cannot seem find them on the web.) What is also interesting is that it appears that RedHat used htdig-3.2b3 and then b4 to index the KDE help files in release 7.1 but not 7.2. Might they have "stabilized" it or is that against the rules without sharing that stabilization? I think I keep playing with it for now. Haven't gone production yet. Paul At 12:17 PM -0500 2/9/03, Jon Carnes wrote: >Having been through this recently at a site I help out on, I can attest >that for us, the drop back to HTDig 3.1.6 (away from the 3.2.b4) was >well worth the effort. > >[...] > >It's interesting that Red Hat should push the beta out on a production >release. I found it to be of less than production quality and highly >recommend that you remove v3.2.b4 and install v3.1.6 of HTDig. > >[...] > >On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 19:53, Paul Kleeberg wrote: > > >> Just so you know, it is in the standard "everything" install of the >> cheapest CD version of 8.0 but looking at the bottom of the search >> result page on my newly htdigged site, I see: >> > > ht://Dig 3.2.0b4-20020505 -- Paul Kleeberg paul at fpen.org From jarrell at vt.edu Sun Feb 9 20:25:49 2003 From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell) Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 14:25:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] newsgroup interface problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030209142333.00ab43e0@lennier.cc.vt.edu> At 03:43 PM 2/6/03 +0000, david at johmar.com wrote: >Our mailman interface to a newsgroup and was working fine now it only sends >mails to the newsgroup, it has stopped receiving newsgroups posts and >sending them out as mails. Both newsgroup and mailman servers have been >changed recently which makes investigation difficult. Well, obviously, check the mailman error log. Is the gate_news job still running in your news users cron? Are you getting error emails from it? (Make sure email to that user actually *goes* somewhere people read). Your news server, unless you've otherwise configured mailman, has to allow a random anonymous connection to read all the newsgroups that have a feed set up into mailman. From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Sun Feb 9 20:48:02 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:48:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delete In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20030206164531.03132b70@mail.swarthmore.edu>; from pmalone1@swarthmore.edu on Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 04:45:52PM -0500 References: <5.1.1.5.2.20030206164531.03132b70@mail.swarthmore.edu> Message-ID: <20030209144802.A14349@dogpound.vnet.net> * Tricia Maloney (pmalone1 at swarthmore.edu) wrote: > How does the administrator delete a list? # bin/rmlist Remove the components of a mailing list with impunity - beware! This removes (almost) all traces of a mailing list. By default, the lists archives are not removed, which is very handy for retiring old lists. Usage: rmlist [-a] [-h] listname Where: --archives -a Remove the list's archives too, or if the list has already been deleted, remove any residual archives. --help -h Print this help message and exit. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Know God...know peace. No God...no peace. From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Sun Feb 9 21:07:28 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 15:07:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Porting listproc web-archives to Mailman In-Reply-To: ; from paul@fpen.org on Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 08:20:02AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20030209150728.C14349@dogpound.vnet.net> * Paul Kleeberg (paul at fpen.org) wrote: > I have a listproc list that has about 12 years of messages which I > would like to still make available from within the Mailman web > archive interface. How I can accomplish this migration? Some time > back Michael James posted a script to migrate > lists from listproc but it looks like it only moves the list > settings. I tried redirecting a couple of old messages but it didn't > preserve the original date. > > Anyone shed some light on this process? I've never used listproc but after doing a little bit of reading on listproc.net this might work. I don't know how your system's setup, but if you have shell access to the listproc server, there should be a mbox files in $LPDIR/LIST-ALIAS/ You can d/l that file then cat it into an existing list mbox file. # cat listproc.mbox >> mailman.mbox After that you can regenerate the archives with bin/arch Hope it works! -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ The whole is the sum of its parts, plus one or more bugs From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Sun Feb 9 22:27:40 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 21:27:40 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble getting htdig to work In-Reply-To: References: <1044811025.1605.18.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20030208175101.038e6bd0@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030208175101.038e6bd0@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030208230504.03ad9350@pop3.demon.co.uk> <1044811025.1605.18.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030209210125.038c1590@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 18:52 09/02/2003, Paul Kleeberg wrote: >Well it may look like it will be out with the new and in with the old. > >What is interesting is that RedHat lists the file as >htdig-3.2.0-7.20020505 - not a mention of the "beta" term. Must have been >a typo by someone with bad eyesight who typed "-7" instead of "b4" ;-) > >Now does that also mean I would have to replace htdig-web since it has the >same release numbers on the RedHat site as htdig? (I cannot seem find >them on the web.) I'm surprised, given you've installed htdig-web that you htsearch was not in you server's cgi-bin directory: part of your original problem as I recollect. >What is also interesting is that it appears that RedHat used htdig-3.2b3 >and then b4 to index the KDE help files in release 7.1 but not 7.2. Might >they have "stabilized" it or is that against the rules without sharing >that stabilization? I think I keep playing with it for now. Haven't gone >production yet. Faced with the fact that Redhat have baked in some dependencies to htdig-3.2 in other packages I would be inclined to leave that in place. I'd download the htdig 3.1.6 source and build that from scratch into a different base directoy, say /opt/www/htdig (the default I believe) or /usr/local/htdig or whatever. Then point the MM config variable HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH at the 3.1.6 version of rundig. If you are going to get a conflict between the htdig-3.2's htsearch in your web server cgi-bin directory with the the htdig-3.1.6 version then run ./configure in the htdig-3.1.6 --with-cgi-bin-dir set to some other directory in the server's tree, ServerRoot/cgi-bin/hdig-3.1.6/ for instance, making sure you set the appropriate permissions it in httpd.conf. Point the MM config variable HTDIG_SEARCH_URL at this htsearch. The htdig-3.1.6 should do its stuff for the mail lists and leave htdig-3.2 to do whatever Redhat intended. Best (or worst) of both worlds. >Paul > >At 12:17 PM -0500 2/9/03, Jon Carnes wrote: >>Having been through this recently at a site I help out on, I can attest >>that for us, the drop back to HTDig 3.1.6 (away from the 3.2.b4) was >>well worth the effort. >> >>[...] >> >>It's interesting that Red Hat should push the beta out on a production >>release. I found it to be of less than production quality and highly >>recommend that you remove v3.2.b4 and install v3.1.6 of HTDig. >> >>[...] >> >>On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 19:53, Paul Kleeberg wrote: >> > >>> Just so you know, it is in the standard "everything" install of the >>> cheapest CD version of 8.0 but looking at the bottom of the search >>> result page on my newly htdigged site, I see: >> > ht://Dig 3.2.0b4-20020505 > > >-- >Paul Kleeberg >paul at fpen.org From jarrell at vt.edu Sun Feb 9 22:47:01 2003 From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell) Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 16:47:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] newsgroup interface problems In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030209142333.00ab43e0@lennier.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030209164430.00aa96b0@lennier.cc.vt.edu> At 08:43 PM 2/9/03 +0000, david at johmar.com wrote: >Thanks we have spotted a problem with gate_news not being in cron. > >I don't know where the mailman error log resides or have access to it but >I'm sure Stefan does. We don't get any error emails probably because it >isn't running. I assume error emails would go to list admin's email address >which includes me, or do you mean the root mail box? Errors generated by gate_news (assuming it was in cron, which from what you say, it wasn't) would end up in either mailman's log, or, if things really go kerflooie, would just dump onto stderr, which would cause cron to mail it to the user that the cronjob was running under, like any other cronjob. The mailman error log is under the logs subdirectory of the place you installed mailman. With gate_news not running at all, then there's no point in looking for error logs; that's the problem. From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Feb 9 23:38:45 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 09 Feb 2003 17:38:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble getting htdig to work In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030208175101.038e6bd0@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030208175101.038e6bd0@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030208230504.03ad9350@pop3.demon.co.uk> <1044811025.1605.18.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <1044830329.1615.5.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> On Sun, 2003-02-09 at 13:52, Paul Kleeberg wrote: > > Now does that also mean I would have to replace htdig-web since it > has the same release numbers on the RedHat site as htdig? (I cannot > seem find them on the web.) > I think that the split out of htdig-web into a distinct package occurred with version 3.2 of HTDig. So there is not htdig-web for earlier versions. Version 3.1.6 is all or nothing (just one package). Good Luck - Jon Carnes From paul at fpen.org Mon Feb 10 00:59:15 2003 From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 17:59:15 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring mailman for a future domain name Message-ID: I am installing Mailman on my production machine. I want it to install with the same name as another machine where my lists are currently running with listproc. In other words I am installing it on www. but I want the Mailman pages to be known as (and return the name) lists. which currently exists on a different box. How do I do this? Do I define it when running configure? I do not see that as an option in the INSTALL file but I see "--with-urlhost" and "--with-mailhost" in the "configure" file. Paul -- Paul Kleeberg paul at fpen.org From marilyn at deliberate.com Mon Feb 10 02:54:32 2003 From: marilyn at deliberate.com (Marilyn Davis) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 17:54:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message-ID: nomail on asdfjkl; From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Mon Feb 10 03:23:56 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:23:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring mailman for a future domain name In-Reply-To: ; from paul@fpen.org on Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 05:59:15PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20030209212356.A18095@dogpound.vnet.net> After installation look at the DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST section in Mailman/Defaults.py But as the top of the file says, don't make changes there, make them to mm_cfg.py. So you might want to add this to your mm_cfg.py DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = lists. But read on in that file and see if there are anymore option of interest to you. * Paul Kleeberg (paul at fpen.org) wrote: > I am installing Mailman on my production machine. I want it to > install with the same name as another machine where my lists are > currently running with listproc. In other words I am installing it > on www. but I want the Mailman pages to be known as (and > return the name) lists. which currently exists on a different > box. How do I do this? Do I define it when running configure? I do > not see that as an option in the INSTALL file but I see > "--with-urlhost" and "--with-mailhost" in the "configure" file. > > Paul > -- > Paul Kleeberg > paul at fpen.org -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Truck Pulls: for people who cannot understand the WWF From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com Mon Feb 10 03:47:37 2003 From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 21:47:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.1 In-Reply-To: <15941.45378.536004.128513@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030209213718.028677e0@192.168.0.3> At 08:39 PM 2/8/2003, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: >I've released Mailman 2.1.1 which includes many bug fixes and language >updates. This release includes a fix for the cross-site scripting >vulnerability, a fix for the cookie problem, any many other bugs. I >recommend that all Mailman 2.1 users upgrade to this release. > >As usual, I've made both a full source tarball and a patch file >available. See > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103 > >for links to download all the patches and the source tarballs. If you >decide to install the patches, please do read the release notes first: > > http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=97760 > >Note that applying the patch does /not/ completely update the language >support. If you go the patch route, you will want to cd into the >messages directory and run "make catalogs" before installing. This >will only work if your OS has the necessary language tools installed. >You don't need to do this if your lists are all English-only. > >If you have a problem, please download and install the full release. >It is safe to install this over version 2.1. You can simply run >configure the way you did for 2.1, then do a make install. Be sure >you restart your mailman daemon by doing a "mailmanctl restart" after >installing. > >See also: > > http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman > http://www.list.org > http://mailman.sf.net > >Cheers, >-Barry Thanks for the update, Barry! I downloaded the full release and installed it on my test system. I did not have any problem with the install, and test messages I sent through it showed normal operation. So, I installed it on the 11 operational sites, and they all appear to have good installs as well. Not bad for a Sunday afternoon... ;) Larry From edg at greenberg.org Mon Feb 10 03:53:20 2003 From: edg at greenberg.org (Ed Greenberg) Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 18:53:20 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messed up list, want to transfer the users In-Reply-To: <20030209212356.A18095@dogpound.vnet.net> References: <20030209212356.A18095@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: <183775421.1044816800@[192.168.1.9]> I have a messed up list and I can't figure out how it got messed up, but it is. The symptom is that messages held for moderation are being lost, and the list is sending uncaught bounces with the admin messages in them. I've been over the permissions, the settings, the contents of config.db, all to no avail. I've posted here, also to no avail. What I'd like to do is to delete the list and recreate it, then add the users back. I can extract a list of users and re-add them, but I cannot figure out how to save their settings (such as digest and nomail). Is this possible, or should I just tell them that their options are going to be lost. From russellmroberts at yahoo.com Mon Feb 10 04:13:26 2003 From: russellmroberts at yahoo.com (Russell Roberts) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:13:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] modifying html to contain Mailman subscription fields Message-ID: <20030210031326.57963.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> I'd like to insert the Mailman information gathering form fields of email address, 2 password fields, and the daily digest choice into the index.htm file on my web site. My website's index.htm file resides in the (/) root directory. The standard Mailman "General list information page" which contains the html code I'm trying to integrate is in a deeper directory (/mailman/listinfo/discussion_pcctalk.org/). I think having my web site root and Mailman installed in DIFFERENT directories is causing my problems. Does anyone have a web site that gives an example of what I?m trying to accomplish? Thanks. Russell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Mon Feb 10 04:46:54 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 22:46:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] modifying html to contain Mailman subscription fields In-Reply-To: <20030210031326.57963.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030210031326.57963.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030210034654.GF10731@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Russell Roberts wrote: > I'd like to insert the Mailman information gathering form fields of email > address, 2 password fields, and the daily digest choice into the index.htm > file on my web site. You should be able to just create a form on your page that submits the username and password to the mailman subscribe CGI. Put something like this in index.htm (replacing listhost and listname with your values): Your email address:
Your name (optional):
If you're running MM 2.0 you should remove the fullname input. You'll also have to add inputs for the password and password confirmation. You might want to add these even if you're using MM 2.1, depending on how much you value user control vs. ease of subscription. Just pull up a lists info page and copy the HTML of the parts you want and put them in index.htm. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+RyCuuv+09NZUB1oRApWBAKDRcrTFWUyWyeHYlxmuaeMD78XWsQCgiMUd /ZBeQZMpHNaMxLec2odKAWE= =gOms -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Mon Feb 10 04:53:14 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 22:53:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messed up list, want to transfer the users In-Reply-To: <183775421.1044816800@[192.168.1.9]>; from edg@greenberg.org on Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 06:53:20PM -0800 References: <20030209212356.A18095@dogpound.vnet.net> <183775421.1044816800@[192.168.1.9]> Message-ID: <20030209225314.A18510@dogpound.vnet.net> * Ed Greenberg (edg at greenberg.org) wrote: > What I'd like to do is to delete the list and recreate it, then add the > users back. I can extract a list of users and re-add them, but I cannot > figure out how to save their settings (such as digest and nomail). > > Is this possible, or should I just tell them that their options are going > to be lost. The easy way would be to tell them all options will be lost. But if you want a bit more work, you could save that info. Just will take a few extra steps. You didn't say which mailman you use, which only means the -f option won't be availiable on mailman 2.0.x (which is to preserve the full name), so this information is based on mailman 2.0.13 This gives you all the regular (non-digest) members in a file called regular.members # bin/list_members -rpo regular.members LISTNAME This will put the digest members in digest.members # bin/list_members -dpo digest.members LISTNAME If your using mailman 2.1 then you can get the nomail users # bin/list_members -npo nomail.members LISTNAME Then you can readd them using bin/add_members And I'll give you mailman 2.1.1 examples since now would be a good time to upgrade if your redoing the list. Highly recommended upgrading to 2.1.1 # bin/add_members -r regular.members LISTNAME # bin/add_members -d digest.members LISTNAME And you can do what you wish with the nomail people. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ "Freedom defined is freedom denied." -The Illuminatus From je_mmd at kronos.honk.org Mon Feb 10 05:36:40 2003 From: je_mmd at kronos.honk.org (Jon Earle) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 23:36:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Puzzled; Selective no-archive patch. Message-ID: NOTE: I tried to post this to the development list earlier today, but for some reason, I can't seem to post there and the list admin hasn't responded to my inquiry. I figured I'd try this list instead on the assumption that some of the developers may be subscribed to both lists and can perhaps also offer a suggestion as to why I'm not able to post to that list. === Working on a patch to MM 2.1 (easily patches 2.1.1 too), that will selectively not archive messages but am having trouble getting them to not go into the archive. Link to patch is here: http://kronos.honk.org/~jearle/files/noarchive.patch Essentially, I run a list where the members like to email pics and other funnies to each other. This is fine with me, but I'd rather they not go into the archive for obvious reasons. I made a change to the moderation screen to add a checkbox to not archive the particular message, or in the message list screen, to not archive all of them. Obviously, the approval of the moderator would be required to make the noarchive option work. I think I've got the various pieces in place in the admin screen, and I have the message metadata including a 'noarchive' entry. I then theorized that my next step would be to fiddle with Handlers/ToArchive.py (part of the qrunner?). I thought that by adding a check for the 'noarchive' entry in msgdata nr the top of the process method would do the trick, but no. Did a slight mod to Approve.py and still no luck. Not sure what do now and would appreciate any advice given. I've worked with C for a few years, learned Perl last Nov and this is my first foray into Python. Cheers! Jon --- Jon Earle SAVE FARSCAPE http://www.savefarscape.com/ From je_mmd at kronos.honk.org Mon Feb 10 06:35:47 2003 From: je_mmd at kronos.honk.org (Jon Earle) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 00:35:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Solved! (Selective no archive message option) Message-ID: I've fixed my own problem. I noticed a syntax error in Handlers/Approve.py. I figured it was the msg.get syntax, so I copied the format from a few lines above. No luck. After seriously scratching my head for a while, I noticed that the indentation in python blocks was done with spaces. I'd used tabs. Changed tabs to spaces and voila! I now have a working feature! You can grab the patch if you like from: http://kronos.honk.org/~jearle/files/mailman-noarchive.patch It's built for v2.1, but applies (with a few offset hunks) against 2.1.1). What this does is allow you to approve a message that has been held for moderation (msg exceeds size limit for example) so it can be delivered, but preventing it from being archived if the noarchive checkbox is checked, thus saving disk space. Cheers! Jon --- Jon Earle SAVE FARSCAPE http://www.savefarscape.com/ From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com Mon Feb 10 06:57:59 2003 From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganeshh) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:27:59 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Subscribed members vanished]Looks to be simpleProblem, though Strange] References: <3E425F17.5060906@lateralsoftware.com><20030207144041.A8171@dogpound.vnet.net><3E448C8B.6060103@lateralsoftware.com> <20030208001119.A11498@dogpound.vnet.net> <001701c2cf44$20a1de00$1501a8c0@anncons2> Message-ID: <3E473F67.5030107@lateralsoftware.com> Thanks for the detailed mail. My observations of my mailman list.., please find the below points I use Mailman 2.0.8 config.db.last did not overwrite config.db file I dont have dailywise backup to find the logs on 23rd Jan No upgrade of python was done Thanks and Warm Regards Ganeshh Jon Carnes wrote: >Interesting... which three members are subscribed? > robert.faulkner at domain.com > roz.sutton at domain.com > claire.paszkiewicz at domain.com > >These are the last three. If they are subscribed and not the earlier folks >then you might have deleted the list and re-made it - thus the deleting of >members would not show up. Another thought is that the config.db.last got >copied over the config.db thus wiping out any modifications done in one >sitting. > >Do you have any backup/restores that might have taken place between 1600 >hours and 1900 hours on Jan 23rd? > >Without evidence to the contrary (like log entries of problems or a recent >upgrade of Python on the system), I would suspect human intervention of some >kind. I ran 2.0.8 at one of my sites for quite a long time and never saw >any problems. Heck I even upgraded Python on one of my 2.0.8 sites without >re-installing Mailman and it still ran like a champ! > >Take care and good Luck! > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Matthew Davis" >To: "Ganeshh" >Cc: >Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 11:11 PM >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] [Subscribed members vanished]Looks to be >simpleProblem, though Strange] > > >Can you reproduce this? Are the users that 'vanished' similiar in some way? >What version of mailman are you using? > >>From the look of the timestamp in the subscribe log, the first group was >added all together, then the rest of the addresses were added seperate. Was >the same process followed for each of them (for example, did you add all >them from the web page or from command line)? > >* Ganeshh (ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com) wrote: > >>Yes , Absolutely! >> >>What alarms me is that, i dont "del" stamp in the >>/home/mailman/logs/subscribe file. >> >>Can you tell me why? rather i want to ensure , was the file with entries >>would have been purposely deleted >> >>Warm Regards >>Ganeshh >> >>Matthew Davis wrote: >> >>>Not sure if I'm following you. Are you saying that users ghh@ user1@ >>>paul_r@ bosco@ quality@ claus@ robert.faulkner@ roz.sutton@ and >>>claire.paszkiewicz@ (what a name...) are not on your list anymore? >>> >>>* Ganeshh (ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com) wrote: >>> >>>>Dear Lists >>>> >>>>I am running 30 lists on mailman 2.0.8 and out of which 20 to 25 of them >>>>are really active. The mailing system is working fine , but i like to >>>>share with >>>>you a strange behaviour with mailman, or maybe i dunno it could an human >>>>error. >>>> >>>>I added my 31st list on 23rd January and please find the below log, as >>>>it routine exercise of creating lists and mass subscribing the members, >>>>i didnt check the list members status on a daily level. To my surprise >>>>of out 9 members subscribed, only 3 of them exist. >>>> >>>>Log data for /home/mailman/logs/subscribe file >>>> >>>>Jan 23 16:27:19 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new ghh at domain.com >>>>Jan 23 16:27:19 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new user1 at domain.com >>>>Jan 23 16:27:19 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new paul_r at domain.com >>>>Jan 23 16:27:20 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new bosco at domain.com >>>>Jan 23 16:27:20 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new quality at domain.com >>>>Jan 23 16:27:20 2003 (29002) ow-ti: new claus at domain.com >>>>Jan 23 16:39:56 2003 (29838) ow-ti: pending roz.sutton at domain.com >>>>192.168.0.3 >>>>Jan 23 16:41:03 2003 (29913) ow-ti: pending >>>> >claire.paszkiewicz at domain.com > >>>>192.168.0.3 >>>>Jan 23 16:42:23 2003 (29989) ow-ti: pending robert.faulkner at domain.com >>>>192.168.0.3 >>>>Jan 23 19:25:01 2003 (6969) ow-ti: new robert.faulkner at domain.com >>>>Jan 23 20:43:01 2003 (9498) ow-ti: new roz.sutton at domain.com >>>>Jan 29 17:58:02 2003 (16885) ow-ti: new claire.paszkiewicz at domain.com >>>> > >-- >Matthew Davis >http://dogpound.vnet.net/ > >Useless Invention: Flashbulb tester. > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > From edg at greenberg.org Mon Feb 10 07:13:20 2003 From: edg at greenberg.org (Ed Greenberg) Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 22:13:20 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messed up list, want to transfer the users In-Reply-To: <20030209225314.A18510@dogpound.vnet.net> References: <20030209212356.A18095@dogpound.vnet.net> <183775421.1044816800@[192.168.1.9]> <20030209225314.A18510@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: <195775609.1044828800@[192.168.1.9]> This is excellent advice. Thank you. I'm using Mailman 2.1, and plan to u/g to 2.1.1 as well. You stated, "do what you wish with the nomail people." I suppose I have to add them as mail-recipients and then set nomail by hand. There shouldn't be too many of them :) Thanks. --On Sunday, February 09, 2003 10:53 PM -0500 Matthew Davis wrote: > * Ed Greenberg (edg at greenberg.org) wrote: >> What I'd like to do is to delete the list and recreate it, then add the >> users back. I can extract a list of users and re-add them, but I cannot >> figure out how to save their settings (such as digest and nomail). >> >> Is this possible, or should I just tell them that their options are >> going to be lost. > > The easy way would be to tell them all options will be lost. But if you > want a bit more work, you could save that info. Just will take a few > extra steps. You didn't say which mailman you use, which only means the > -f option won't be availiable on mailman 2.0.x (which is to preserve the > full name), so this information is based on mailman 2.0.13 > > This gives you all the regular (non-digest) members in a file called > regular.members ># bin/list_members -rpo regular.members LISTNAME > > This will put the digest members in digest.members ># bin/list_members -dpo digest.members LISTNAME > > If your using mailman 2.1 then you can get the nomail users ># bin/list_members -npo nomail.members LISTNAME > > Then you can readd them using bin/add_members And I'll give you mailman > 2.1.1 examples since now would be a good time to upgrade if your redoing > the list. Highly recommended upgrading to 2.1.1 > ># bin/add_members -r regular.members LISTNAME ># bin/add_members -d digest.members LISTNAME > > And you can do what you wish with the nomail people. > > -- > Matthew Davis > http://dogpound.vnet.net/ > > "Freedom defined is freedom denied." -The Illuminatus > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: edg at greenberg.org > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/edg%40greenberg.org From S.Anders at digitec.de Mon Feb 10 10:41:41 2003 From: S.Anders at digitec.de (Sven Anders) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:41:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two lists: info@domain1.tld and info@domain2.tld Message-ID: <200302101041.41991.S.Anders@digitec.de> Hi, I want to use Mailman 2.1 for two lists: info at domain1.tld and info at domain2.tld As far as I understand, this is not posible with mailman. Or is there a way to do it (e.g.modify aliases or Mailman List Database?). Has anybody mad experiments with this? If this is not posible, I want to run several Mailmans (e.g. for each Domain one), but not serverall qrunner Jobs. Is it posible to start qrunner from cron like in Mailman 2.0? Best regards Sven From webmaster at frontierfleet.com Mon Feb 10 11:00:10 2003 From: webmaster at frontierfleet.com (Webmaster ST Frontier Fleet) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:00:10 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two lists: info@domain1.tld and info@domain2.tld References: <200302101041.41991.S.Anders@digitec.de> Message-ID: <015601c2d0eb$33ba6220$0500a8c0@campus.tue.nl> > Hi, > I want to use Mailman 2.1 for two lists: > > info at domain1.tld and info at domain2.tld > > As far as I understand, this is not posible with mailman. Well, I've been using Mailman 2.0.x with listname at domain.(tld1|tld2|tld3) so it should be possible to do it for listname@(domain1|domain2).tld too. :-) > Or is there a way to do it (e.g.modify aliases or Mailman List Database?). I'm assuming you already set up the list for one domain? Next you should in indeed make sure that your mailserver sends the emails for the list addresses at both domains to the necessary aliases. This will however depend on your mailserver. After you've done that mail should go to the list. However, you might now notice that the list is only working at one address and keeping or bouncing the mail at the other address. To fix this you have to visit mailman/admin//privacy/recipient On that page you will find a box for acceptable_aliases, described as "Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to or cc destination names for this list.". Just put in the listaddress at the second domain (or for both domains), in there, and you should be on the go. Good luck, Kind regards, Guido _______________________________________ ST Frontier Fleet To make each day count.. We're not the best... ... we are just less worse http://www.frontierfleet.com http://www.frontierfleet.net http://www.frontierfleet.org _______________________________________ Chakotay: "Whatever she wants us for it better be good. I had you right where I wanted you" Torres: "What are you talking about? I was ahead, 19 - 7" Chakotay: "I was just lulling you into a false sense of security" Torres: "Sure you were" Chakotay "I'll win the next couple of points and then you'll start to tense up" Torres: "I don't tense up" Chakotay: "Easy, B'Elanna, it's only hoverball" -- ST Voyager, "Maneuvers" From fingers at fingers.co.za Mon Feb 10 11:02:54 2003 From: fingers at fingers.co.za (fingers) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:02:54 +0200 (SAST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] odd problems with mailman Message-ID: <20030210120003.A53512@snow.fingers.co.za> Hi there I have 2 problems with mailman. first: when clicking on "tend to pending moderator requests" I get: Bug in Mailman version 2.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 226, in main num = show_pending_subs(mlist, form) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 287, in show_pending_subs time, addr, fullname, passwd, digest, lang = mlist.GetRecord(id) ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size and the 2nd (possibly related) problem: every time when I run check-perms, it finds (and when used with -f, fixes) the private archive files for my lists. for example: directory permissions must be 02775: /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/support/attachments/20030208 the permissions are: drwxrwxr-x 3 mailman mailman 512 Feb 8 11:17 20030208 and it's contents: drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Feb 8 11:17 cff5ee1f are these permissions correct? any assistance appreciated. thanks --Rob From S.Anders at digitec.de Mon Feb 10 11:14:40 2003 From: S.Anders at digitec.de (Sven Anders) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:14:40 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two lists: info@domain1.tld and info@domain2.tld In-Reply-To: <015601c2d0eb$33ba6220$0500a8c0@campus.tue.nl> References: <200302101041.41991.S.Anders@digitec.de> <015601c2d0eb$33ba6220$0500a8c0@campus.tue.nl> Message-ID: <200302101114.40247.S.Anders@digitec.de> Am Montag, 10. Februar 2003 11:00 schrieben Sie: > > Hi, > > I want to use Mailman 2.1 for two lists: > > > > info at domain1.tld and info at domain2.tld > > > > As far as I understand, this is not posible with mailman. > > Well, I've been using Mailman 2.0.x with > listname at domain.(tld1|tld2|tld3) so it should be possible to do it for > listname@(domain1|domain2).tld too. :-) > > > Or is there a way to do it (e.g.modify aliases or Mailman List > > Database?). > > I'm assuming you already set up the list for one domain? Next you should > in indeed make sure that your mailserver sends the emails for the list > addresses at both domains to the necessary aliases. This will however > depend on your mailserver. > > After you've done that mail should go to the list. However, you might > now notice that the list is only working at one address and keeping or > bouncing the mail at the other address. To fix this you have to visit > mailman/admin//privacy/recipient > On that page you will find a box for acceptable_aliases, described as > "Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to or cc destination > names for this list.". Just put in the listaddress at the second domain > (or for both domains), in there, and you should be on the go. > Hm, think this does not help: I do not want to use ONE list for two domains, but TWO List with the same name before the @. If I create the 1st list (info at domain1.tld), and then create a 2nd (info at domain2.tld), I get an error message that the list allready exists. Sven From simon at mtds.com Mon Feb 10 11:18:50 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:18:50 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two lists: info@domain1.tld and info@domain2.tld In-Reply-To: <200302101114.40247.S.Anders@digitec.de> References: <200302101041.41991.S.Anders@digitec.de> <015601c2d0eb$33ba6220$0500a8c0@campus.tue.nl> <200302101114.40247.S.Anders@digitec.de> Message-ID: <20030210101850.GI4380@mtds.com> 10-Feb-03 at 11:14, Sven Anders (S.Anders at digitec.de) wrote : > I do not want to use ONE list for two domains, but > TWO List with the same name before the @. > > If I create the 1st list (info at domain1.tld), and then create a 2nd > (info at domain2.tld), I get an error message that the list allready exists. create another list (info2) - you can alias the user info2 from info at domain2.tld, and change the list subject header so that it looks like 2 info lists. My solution, personally, would be to avoid the hassle with lists named info, and info-domain2 at domain2.tld or similar, and maybe alias info at domain2.tld to info-domain2 at domain2.tld to info at domain2.tld or similar. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. simon at mtds.com. Folding at home no log script yet...] If you don't like what is going on in Palestine, or are curious, look: http://www.inminds.com/boycott-israel.html I am not anti-jewish. I am against the Israeli r?gime headed by Sharon. From webmaster at frontierfleet.com Mon Feb 10 11:46:46 2003 From: webmaster at frontierfleet.com (Webmaster ST Frontier Fleet) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:46:46 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two lists: info@domain1.tld and info@domain2.tld References: <200302101041.41991.S.Anders@digitec.de><015601c2d0eb$33ba6220$0500a8c0@campus.tue.nl><200302101114.40247.S.Anders@digitec.de> <20030210101850.GI4380@mtds.com> Message-ID: <016d01c2d0f1$b60a9dc0$0500a8c0@campus.tue.nl> > 10-Feb-03 at 11:14, Sven Anders (S.Anders at digitec.de) wrote : > > I do not want to use ONE list for two domains, but > > TWO List with the same name before the @. > > > > If I create the 1st list (info at domain1.tld), and then create a 2nd > > (info at domain2.tld), I get an error message that the list allready exists. > Oopss.... I should read first before tying to be of help..... Sorry my mistake... In this case I would indeed go with Simon White's solution. My apologies, Regards, Guido From warren at whoffman.com Mon Feb 10 12:25:08 2003 From: warren at whoffman.com (Warren Hoffman) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 06:25:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trapping "Out-of-office" Messages Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030210062301.00b637e8@mail.whoffman.com> Is there a way, or can somebody recommend a technique, to trap/delete "Out-of-office" messages. They do have a defined syntax (actually several). Thanks! --Warren ____________________________________________ _|_|_| Warren Hoffman - Organization Improvement Consultant _|_|_| 208 Jackson Blvd., Wilmington, DE 19803 _|_|_| Phone/Fax: 302-658-7508 _|_|_| warren at whoffman.com _|_|_| http://www.whoffman.com From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Mon Feb 10 15:25:54 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:25:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Solved! (Selective no archive message option) In-Reply-To: ; from je_mmd@kronos.honk.org on Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 12:35:47AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030210092554.A20593@dogpound.vnet.net> * Jon Earle (je_mmd at kronos.honk.org) wrote: > http://kronos.honk.org/~jearle/files/mailman-noarchive.patch > > It's built for v2.1, but applies (with a few offset hunks) against 2.1.1). > > What this does is allow you to approve a message that has been held for > moderation (msg exceeds size limit for example) so it can be delivered, > but preventing it from being archived if the noarchive checkbox is > checked, thus saving disk space. This would be good for others to have. Submit a patch on sourceforge (http://sf.net/projects/mailman) -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ ... Clinton Economics: If 1+2=3 then 4+5=6. From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Mon Feb 10 15:32:08 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:32:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] odd problems with mailman In-Reply-To: <20030210120003.A53512@snow.fingers.co.za>; from fingers@fingers.co.za on Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 12:02:54PM +0200 References: <20030210120003.A53512@snow.fingers.co.za> Message-ID: <20030210093208.B20593@dogpound.vnet.net> * fingers (fingers at fingers.co.za) wrote: > Bug in Mailman version 2.1 > ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size This has been fixed in mailman 2.1.1 > directory permissions must be 02775: > /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/support/attachments/20030208 > > the permissions are: > > drwxrwxr-x 3 mailman mailman 512 Feb 8 11:17 20030208 > > and it's contents: > > drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Feb 8 11:17 cff5ee1f > > are these permissions correct? Thats the permissions on my system. drwxrwsr-x 3 mailman mailman2 4096 Feb 7 18:27 20030207 $ ls -al 20030207 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman2 4096 Feb 7 18:27 ee4b244b $ ls -al 20030207/ee4b244b/ -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman2 1514 Feb 7 18:27 attachment.htm Don't ask about the user and group names.... Its too painful. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ System halted. There is NOTHING you can do. From david at johmar.com Sun Feb 9 21:43:31 2003 From: david at johmar.com (david at johmar.com) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 20:43:31 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] newsgroup interface problems In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030209142333.00ab43e0@lennier.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: Thanks we have spotted a problem with gate_news not being in cron. I don't know where the mailman error log resides or have access to it but I'm sure Stefan does. We don't get any error emails probably because it isn't running. I assume error emails would go to list admin's email address which includes me, or do you mean the root mail box? Our news server news.annexcafe.com allows anyone to read messages. Thanks again for your help. David > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Jarrell [mailto:jarrell at vt.edu] > Sent: 09 February 2003 19:26 > To: david at johmar.com; mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] newsgroup interface problems > > > At 03:43 PM 2/6/03 +0000, david at johmar.com wrote: > >Our mailman interface to a newsgroup and was working fine now it > only sends > >mails to the newsgroup, it has stopped receiving newsgroups posts and > >sending them out as mails. Both newsgroup and mailman servers have been > >changed recently which makes investigation difficult. > > Well, obviously, check the mailman error log. Is the gate_news job still > running in your news users cron? Are you getting error emails from it? > (Make sure email to that user actually *goes* somewhere people > read). Your > news server, unless you've otherwise configured mailman, has to allow a > random anonymous connection to read all the newsgroups that have > a feed set > up into mailman. > From ian at ichilton.co.uk Mon Feb 10 14:52:08 2003 From: ian at ichilton.co.uk (Ian Chilton) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:52:08 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing subscribe message for individual lists? Message-ID: <20030210135208.GK9884@roadrunner.ichilton.net> Hello, Please CC replies to ian at ichilton.co.uk - I am not subscribed :) I was wondering if it was possible to change the text in the welcome e-mail sent to users after subscribing, but just for certain lists. I have some lists which are announcement lists and are set to moderator approval required to stop anyone posting except the list manager. However, when you subscribe to theses lists, you still get this in the welcome mail: To post to this list, send your email to: testlist at lists.ichilton.net Which I dont want users to see for the announce lists but do for the normal lists. Is this possible? Thanks! --ian From paul at mozellstudios.com Mon Feb 10 15:56:13 2003 From: paul at mozellstudios.com (Paul Mozell) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:56:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] install question Message-ID: Can mailman be installed on a virtual host without root access? I don't run my own server, just using a web hosting service. Can't I just put it in my cgi-bin? And, how large is the untarred directory? thanks! -- ************************************** Paul Mozell Webmaster: AMC Boston Chapter webmaster at amcboston.org http://www.amcboston.org From ashley at pcraft.com Mon Feb 10 16:45:23 2003 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 08:45:23 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two lists: info@domain1.tld and info@domain2.tld References: <200302101041.41991.S.Anders@digitec.de> Message-ID: <3E47C913.2010001@pcraft.com> Sven Anders wrote: >Hi, >I want to use Mailman 2.1 for two lists: > >info at domain1.tld and info at domain2.tld > >As far as I understand, this is not posible with mailman. > > Yes, and no. I've ran 2.0.11n for a long time with this exact setup, and now with 2.1 I'm still doing it. However, I run multiple setups of mailman. I installed mailman for each domain I needed it to manage. While this is a large overhead (of having it installed x-amount of times), it is a lot easier to manage. -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Mon Feb 10 16:51:21 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:51:21 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-htdig integration patch update Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030210154259.0442db50@pop.ftel.co.uk> I have posted on sourceforge revisions of these two patches for application to MM 2.1.1. There are no functional changes and the changes is only to stop warnings about offsets in files when the 2.1 versions of the patches are applied Patch #444879: Improved archiver indexcontrol Patch #444884: Mailman/htdig integration The following two precursor patches have not been updated and the 2.1 final versions of them should not generate any warning when being applied to MM 2.1.1: Patch #661138: Corrects HTML template defects Patch #668685: Corrects an error in SystemExit exception handling by $prefix/script/driver From mkehler at wrha.mb.ca Mon Feb 10 16:55:38 2003 From: mkehler at wrha.mb.ca (Matt Kehler) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:55:38 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving mailman? Message-ID: In order to move mailman to a new server..it seems that (assuming your new server has a working mailman config) the only files neccesary to move over are ~\archives\private\ ~\archives\public\ ~\lists\ is this it?? Of course, again, assuming your config is correct, file permissions, etc etc. thx Matt From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Feb 10 17:09:11 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 10 Feb 2003 11:09:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Puzzled; Selective no-archive patch. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1044893355.2230.6.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> There is a header you can add to the mail that tells the archives to skip the message. It would be simpler for you to write a small handler that inserts that header into an email that has been marked via the web-admin as No Archive. Good luck - Jon Carnes On Sun, 2003-02-09 at 23:36, Jon Earle wrote: > NOTE: I tried to post this to the development list earlier today, but for > some reason, I can't seem to post there and the list admin hasn't > responded to my inquiry. I figured I'd try this list instead on the > assumption that some of the developers may be subscribed to both lists and > can perhaps also offer a suggestion as to why I'm not able to post to that > list. > === > > Working on a patch to MM 2.1 (easily patches 2.1.1 too), that will > selectively not archive messages but am having trouble getting them to not > go into the archive. Link to patch is here: > > http://kronos.honk.org/~jearle/files/noarchive.patch > > Essentially, I run a list where the members like to email pics and other > funnies to each other. This is fine with me, but I'd rather they not go > into the archive for obvious reasons. I made a change to the moderation > screen to add a checkbox to not archive the particular message, or in the > message list screen, to not archive all of them. Obviously, the approval > of the moderator would be required to make the noarchive option work. > > I think I've got the various pieces in place in the admin screen, and I > have the message metadata including a 'noarchive' entry. I then theorized > that my next step would be to fiddle with Handlers/ToArchive.py (part of > the qrunner?). I thought that by adding a check for the 'noarchive' entry > in msgdata nr the top of the process method would do the trick, but no. > Did a slight mod to Approve.py and still no luck. Not sure what do now > and would appreciate any advice given. > > I've worked with C for a few years, learned Perl last Nov and this is my > first foray into Python. > > Cheers! > Jon > > --- > Jon Earle > > SAVE FARSCAPE http://www.savefarscape.com/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Mon Feb 10 17:10:19 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:10:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing subscribe message for individual lists? In-Reply-To: <20030210135208.GK9884@roadrunner.ichilton.net> References: <20030210135208.GK9884@roadrunner.ichilton.net> Message-ID: <20030210161019.GH10731@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ian Chilton wrote: > Please CC replies to ian at ichilton.co.uk - I am not subscribed :) You're using mutt, check out the followup_to and lists settings, they can help with this. > I was wondering if it was possible to change the text in the welcome > e-mail sent to users after subscribing, but just for certain lists. You don't mention if you're using MM 2.0 or 2.1. The answer depends on the version. 2.0 can't (without a patch) and 2.1 can. If you have control over your list server, upgrading is highly recommended. The Mailman crew have done a great job of adding useful features. With 2.1, copy subscribeack.txt from ~mailman/templates// to ~mailman/lists//, replace LISTNAME and LANG as appropriate. Then edit to taste. I patched MM 2.0 for this while I was using it, based on things I learned on this very mailing lists' (searchable) archives. I don't even know much python and it wasn't too difficult. If you end up being stuck with 2.0 for some reason, I can send you the patch I used. Of course, if you have the ability to patch mailman, you should also have the ability to upgrade. :) - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ What a terrible thing to have lost one's mind. Or not to have a mind at all. How true that is. -- Dan Quayle, speaking to the United Negro College Fund -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+R87ruv+09NZUB1oRAgd/AJ9mrA+LHM4abCn1A4eeKy0cLU5WWgCfX6KS Ic5bJ583I7w33HQaYfzN+UY= =+Haq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Feb 10 17:19:05 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 10 Feb 2003 11:19:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trapping "Out-of-office" Messages In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030210062301.00b637e8@mail.whoffman.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030210062301.00b637e8@mail.whoffman.com> Message-ID: <1044893950.2230.13.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> The archives contain several clever ideas for this. My favorite is to front-end the mailing lists with a procmail script. In the script look for drivel that indicates the response is from a clueless fellow and then redirect it to the admin (me) for a good stern warning note about how-to setup an out of office message! I liked another fellows approach; he already runs all his incoming mail through spam-assassin so he added a few rules to trap these as spam. I have to say that I agree with him that 99.9% of these messages are completely unnecessary. Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 06:25, Warren Hoffman wrote: > Is there a way, or can somebody recommend a technique, to trap/delete > "Out-of-office" messages. They do have a defined syntax (actually several). > > Thanks! > > --Warren > ____________________________________________ > > _|_|_| Warren Hoffman - Organization Improvement Consultant > _|_|_| 208 Jackson Blvd., Wilmington, DE 19803 > _|_|_| Phone/Fax: 302-658-7508 > _|_|_| warren at whoffman.com > _|_|_| http://www.whoffman.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Feb 10 17:25:46 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 10 Feb 2003 11:25:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving mailman? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1044894350.2234.17.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> That will indeed get your archives and all the configurations for your list. It miss out on some minor stuff like held requests, but that's trivial stuff. Once you move the lists over, you will need to reset the URL's and Mailing addresses for each list. Failure to do this will make the lists inaccessible and non-functioning. Good Luck on the move. On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 10:55, Matt Kehler wrote: > In order to move mailman to a new server..it seems that (assuming your > new server has a working mailman config) the only files neccesary to > move over are > > ~\archives\private\ > ~\archives\public\ > ~\lists\ > > is this it?? Of course, again, assuming your config is correct, file > permissions, etc etc. > thx > Matt > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From ian at ichilton.co.uk Mon Feb 10 17:41:32 2003 From: ian at ichilton.co.uk (Ian Chilton) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:41:32 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Keeping subscription info in sync across servers Message-ID: <20030210164132.GA9884@roadrunner.ichilton.net> Hello, Please cc replies to ian at ichilton.co.uk. I was wondering if there was an easy way to keep subscription info in sync across multiple list servers. What I want to do is setup a backup list server which will still deliver list mail if the main box is down. So, I only need a single way replication, i.e all changes are made on the main server and the 2nd server just has to stay in sync. I was thinking an easy way to do this would be to have a function in mailman which made it automatically sent an e-mail or made a socket connection to the other server when any options or subscriptions were changed. Is such a thing possible? Thanks! --ian From mjones6 at commnav.com Mon Feb 10 17:53:07 2003 From: mjones6 at commnav.com (Morgan Jones) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:53:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Keeping subscription info in sync across servers In-Reply-To: <"from ian"@ichilton.co.uk> References: <20030210164132.GA9884@roadrunner.ichilton.net> Message-ID: <20030210115307.A26693@commnav.com> Ian, What mail software are you using? If you are going to build redundancy into your list server you might want to think more about building redundancy into your mail server.. That is more than one mail server that accesses a central LDAP store or similar. A few months back I posted a sol'n that ties mailman 2.0.x into iPlanet Messenger (assuming you have that sort of budget). It should also be possible to plug it into sendmail, qmail or the like running off a central LDAP store.. For example, what I'm geting at is that with iMS you can multiple servers working off the same LDAP store.. it is, of course, a pricey solution. Attempting to keep mailman's backend text files synced between servers is sure to prove tricky.. I don't believe mailman has any built-in redundancy. -morgan On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 04:41:32PM +0000, Ian Chilton wrote: | Hello, | | Please cc replies to ian at ichilton.co.uk. | | | I was wondering if there was an easy way to keep subscription info in | sync across multiple list servers. | | What I want to do is setup a backup list server which will still | deliver list mail if the main box is down. So, I only need a single way | replication, i.e all changes are made on the main server and the 2nd | server just has to stay in sync. | | I was thinking an easy way to do this would be to have a function in | mailman which made it automatically sent an e-mail or made a socket | connection to the other server when any options or subscriptions were | changed. | | Is such a thing possible? | | | Thanks! | | --ian | | ------------------------------------------------------ | Mailman-Users mailing list | Mailman-Users at python.org | http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users | Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py | Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ | | This message was sent to: mjones6 at commnav.com | Unsubscribe or change your options at | http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mjones6%40commnav.com | -- Morgan Jones -- CommNav, Inc. mjones6 at commnav.com http://www.commnav.com From evertjan at vanramselaar.nl Mon Feb 10 17:57:02 2003 From: evertjan at vanramselaar.nl (Evert Jan van Ramselaar) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:57:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Usenet news gated to list as attachment with v2.1.1 Message-ID: <000e01c2d125$7067c840$65000a0a@galaxy> Hi people, I'm new to this list, so please be kind to me... :) I searched the archives of this list back for a few months, but did not find anything on the topic. Last weekend I upgraded from Mailman v2.0.13 to v2.1.1. Almost everything went smoothly, except for this little problem: Whenever a message from a newsgroup gets gated to the list, it is being sent as an attachment. Is this a bug or a feature? When using 2.0.13 the messages were gated as plain text. I'd like to have that behaviour back. Attached you will find: news_onserver.txt the message as is on the newsserver news_gatedtolist.txt the message as being sent by Mailman Thanks in advance. -- Evert Jan van Ramselaar Van Ramselaar Info Tech -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: news_onserver.txt Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030210/380609ae/attachment.txt -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: news_gatedtolist.txt Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030210/380609ae/attachment-0001.txt From jlhughes at yahoo.com Mon Feb 10 18:26:38 2003 From: jlhughes at yahoo.com (John Hughes) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:26:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] backing up mailman lists on commercial servers Message-ID: <20030210172638.73817.qmail@web80006.mail.yahoo.com> I rent space on a commercial Web site that uses cpanel for site management. Mailman comes installed and ready to use. Question: In an arrangement like this, where I do not have direct access to installation and related files, how do I back up my mailing list addresses and archive? The mailman FAQ suggests a shell script but I'm unfamiliar with how I would determine the required paths. Also, I would only want to back up my lists. Any help would be appreciated. TIA John Hughes From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Mon Feb 10 18:58:45 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:58:45 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Keeping subscription info in sync across servers In-Reply-To: <20030210164132.GA9884@roadrunner.ichilton.net> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030210172650.044bb008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 16:41 10/02/2003, Ian Chilton wrote: >Hello, > >Please cc replies to ian at ichilton.co.uk. > > >I was wondering if there was an easy way to keep subscription info in >sync across multiple list servers. > >What I want to do is setup a backup list server which will still >deliver list mail if the main box is down. So, I only need a single way >replication, i.e all changes are made on the main server and the 2nd >server just has to stay in sync. > >I was thinking an easy way to do this would be to have a function in >mailman which made it automatically sent an e-mail or made a socket >connection to the other server when any options or subscriptions were >changed. > >Is such a thing possible? > > >Thanks! > >--ian Just an idea of how we do things but it may not suit your needs/equipment configuration. Faced with the problem of mailing list server resilience and redundancy we turned to NFS and keep almost all of MM's $prefix subtree (all except the stuff in $exec-prefix) on shared storage. I do have the advantage of a high uptime file server, with all the data security features to act as NFS server for this. I run a live server with a backup server as hot standby, that is, the secondary sits there until the primary server breaks and we initiate the switchover. This involves a minimal manual intervention. Basically we switch the MAC address of the machines known as primary-mailman-server.our.domain and secondary-mailman-server.our.domain in the DHCP config. A brief pause, shutdown the old primary and reboot the erstwhile secondary which now comes up with the primary IP number. A little conditionality in some of the start scripts means that coming up with the primary server IP's number is all that is needed for the new primary server to run as such. A slight pause for the switchover period is OK for us; incoming mail just backs up on the MTA's trying to deliver to the Mailman server until the switchover completes. It is a bit crude but it works; had the internal hard drive on the primary die a few weeks back and switched over with less than 15 minutes interruption in service and no lost mail. The secondary server does not lie fallow. It has its own MX record and I can run test lists on it. I use it (not mounting NFS but using its local hard drive for MM's $prefix tree) for checking out new MM software releases and getting the wrinkles out before upgrading the primary server in the NFS space; the stress when doing a major upgrade to the primary server is much reduced having already done it for real as a rehearsal on the secondary machine first. The secondary is also used for other non-critical tasks that can be suspended if we have to perform a switchover. If you have other ideas for providing low-cost resilience and redundancy for a Mailman server then I would like to hear them. Cheers Richard From mail at freelock.com Mon Feb 10 19:15:56 2003 From: mail at freelock.com (John Locke) Date: 10 Feb 2003 10:15:56 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Keeping subscription info in sync across servers In-Reply-To: <20030210115307.A26693@commnav.com> References: <20030210164132.GA9884@roadrunner.ichilton.net> <20030210115307.A26693@commnav.com> Message-ID: <1044900955.16589.26.camel@denali.freelock.com> On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 08:53, Morgan Jones wrote: > Attempting to keep mailman's backend text files synced between servers > is sure to prove tricky.. I don't believe mailman has any built-in > redundancy. > I don't think it's all that tricky, especially for 1 way. > > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 04:41:32PM +0000, Ian Chilton wrote: > | > | I was wondering if there was an easy way to keep subscription info in > | sync across multiple list servers. > | > | What I want to do is setup a backup list server which will still > | deliver list mail if the main box is down. So, I only need a single way > | replication, i.e all changes are made on the main server and the 2nd > | server just has to stay in sync. > | > | I was thinking an easy way to do this would be to have a function in > | mailman which made it automatically sent an e-mail or made a socket > | connection to the other server when any options or subscriptions were > | changed. > | I'm sure you could dig around in Mailman to find a place to hook some sort of trigger for a script, and the people on Mailman-Developers can certainly help you find it. Much easier is to write a simple script that runs from cron. Could be as simple as: #!/bin/bash /usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members listname | mail -s "listname update" update at otherserver.com Then, on the other server, set up an email address that dumps the message to another script. This script (in the language of your choice) should parse the message to make sure it comes from the other server (don't want people from anywhere else screwing with your membership list!), extracts the body of the message, and pipes it to /usr/local/mailman/bin/sync_members listname (or wherever your environment is). You can also set up a web service to do basically the same thing, though the email route might be a little more reliable (because MTAs usually manage to deliver the message, even if the connection is out for a while.) If you're looking for a chance to learn about web services, it would be a great sample project. Lots of ways to make this more sophisticated, if you need to keep track of who's on digest, etc. Hope that helps... Cheers -- John Locke Owner, Freelock, LLC http://freelock.com Just launched: http://teamcheckin.com From khera at kcilink.com Mon Feb 10 19:29:46 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:29:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trapping "Out-of-office" Messages In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030210062301.00b637e8@mail.whoffman.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030210062301.00b637e8@mail.whoffman.com> Message-ID: <15943.61338.872708.482082@onceler.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "WH" == Warren Hoffman writes: WH> Is there a way, or can somebody recommend a technique, to trap/delete WH> "Out-of-office" messages. They do have a defined syntax (actually several). No, it is generally impossible because there are so many ways to do it, and there are so many bad programmers out there that do it wrong... And many of them repeat the mistakes of the ones who figured it out before... If you have specific patterns to catch, then do it via procmail or some such before handing it off to mailman. From wahorn at aace.com Mon Feb 10 19:41:24 2003 From: wahorn at aace.com (Ashley Horn) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:41:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error message from the web admin Message-ID: <009901c2d134$03216520$fa64a8c0@ASHLEY> I just installed mailman 2.1.1 and everything is working except that when I create a new list via the web browser I get the following: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main process_request(doc, cgidata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in process_request sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 226, in create _update_maps() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 47, in _update_maps raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) However, the list is created and it works fine. Any suggestions? Ashley Horn From mkehler at wrha.mb.ca Mon Feb 10 20:16:05 2003 From: mkehler at wrha.mb.ca (Matt Kehler) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:16:05 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron files? Message-ID: The mailman install that comes with RedHat 7.3 doesn't seem to have any crontab files. what is the proper/preferred way to put these back? thx Matt From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Mon Feb 10 20:29:29 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:29:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron files? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030210192929.GN10731@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Matt Kehler wrote: > The mailman install that comes with RedHat 7.3 doesn't seem to have any > crontab files. what is the proper/preferred way to put these back? The gpg signed RedHat 7.3 RPM (and the subsequent update) I have does indeed come with crontab files and they are installed by the rpm's post script, like so: if [ ! -f /var/spool/cron/mailman ]; then crontab -u mailman /var/mailman/cron/crontab.in fi If crontab -l -u mailman doesn't show the right output, just run the crontab command from the rpm output above. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ I'm not fat. I am a nutritional overachiever. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+R/2Zuv+09NZUB1oRAuNiAKD3sGVyJWEdBVtP9xrkZk1m5h8HtQCg1dsI Tgda+eoH4KHhuXeUVWnCNtw= =5C8c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From matt at wirex.com Tue Feb 11 02:34:57 2003 From: matt at wirex.com (Matt Barringer) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:34:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error: Incorrect padding? Message-ID: Yesterday we upgraded from Mailman 2.0.x to 2.1.1. All of the lists except for one transfered over flawlessly, but any mail sent to that one particular list causes errors like this to be dumped into ~mailman/logs/error: Feb 10 17:05:20 2003 (453) Uncaught runner exception: Incorrect padding Feb 10 17:05:20 2003 (453) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 82, in process send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in send_i18n_dige sts msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 252, in process payload = part.get_payload(decode=1) File "/home/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 189, in get_payload return Utils._bdecode(payload) File "/home/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 75, in _bdecode value = base64.decodestring(s) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/base64.py", line 44, in decodestring return binascii.a2b_base64(s) Error: Incorrect padding Feb 10 17:05:20 2003 (453) SHUNTING: 1044925519.00936+54468b31b755be1a7fa62d057b d3f51581aece72 This problem also comes up when the digests are generated. Any suggestions? This is 2.1.1 built from source on Immunix Linux 7 with Postfix and python 2.2. -- Matt Barringer WireX Communications, Inc. From esew at smartmonkey.org Tue Feb 11 02:31:54 2003 From: esew at smartmonkey.org (Erik S.E. Walum) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:31:54 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cc: to cc: weirdness Message-ID: <20030210173154.A29957@smartmonkey.org> We've recently upgraded to Mailman2.1 and have noticed that Mailman is now changing our Cc: headers and doing some RFC 2822 non-compliant business with them. The original header might be: Cc: someuser at dom.ain, otheruser at dom.ain, lastuser at dom.ain when the message comes through to the list, the header has been altered to: cc: someuser at dom.ain cc: otheruser at dom.ain cc: lastuser at dom.ain Can anyone help me out? -- Erik Walum personal work 503.780.7492 From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Feb 11 04:36:29 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 10 Feb 2003 22:36:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error message from the web admin In-Reply-To: <009901c2d134$03216520$fa64a8c0@ASHLEY> References: <009901c2d134$03216520$fa64a8c0@ASHLEY> Message-ID: <1044934592.1610.42.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Have you checked the rights on the ~mailman/data/aliases and ~mailman/data/aliases.db files: -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 4210 Feb 1 22:52 aliases -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 12288 Feb 1 22:52 aliases.db On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 13:41, Ashley Horn wrote: > I just installed mailman 2.1.1 and everything is working except that > when I create a new list via the web browser I get the following: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main > main() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main > process_request(doc, cgidata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in > process_request > sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 226, in create > _update_maps() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 47, in > _update_maps > raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) > RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias > /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) > > > > However, the list is created and it works fine. Any suggestions? > > Ashley Horn > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From paul at fpen.org Tue Feb 11 04:54:41 2003 From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:54:41 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring mailman for a future domain name In-Reply-To: <20030209212356.A18095@dogpound.vnet.net> References: <20030209212356.A18095@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: What you say is correct but won't that put a "legacy" URL into Default.py whereas if I used the (undocumented?) parameters below, would it build Default.py with the correct URLs and therefore eliminate the necessity to add the entry to mm_cfg.py? I suppose I should just shut-up and try it and see what happens... At 9:23 PM -0500 2/9/03, Matthew Davis wrote: >After installation look at the DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST section in >Mailman/Defaults.py But as the top of the file says, don't make changes >there, make them to mm_cfg.py. > >So you might want to add this to your mm_cfg.py >DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = lists. > >But read on in that file and see if there are anymore option of interest to >you. > >* Paul Kleeberg (paul at fpen.org) wrote: >> I am installing Mailman on my production machine. I want it to >> install with the same name as another machine where my lists are >> currently running with listproc. In other words I am installing it >> on www. but I want the Mailman pages to be known as (and >> return the name) lists. which currently exists on a different >> box. How do I do this? Do I define it when running configure? I do >> not see that as an option in the INSTALL file but I see > > "--with-urlhost" and "--with-mailhost" in the "configure" file. > >-- >Matthew Davis >http://dogpound.vnet.net/ > >Truck Pulls: for people who cannot understand the WWF -- Paul Kleeberg paul at fpen.org From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Tue Feb 11 05:00:31 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:00:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] install question In-Reply-To: ; from paul@mozellstudios.com on Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 09:56:13AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030210230031.A23686@dogpound.vnet.net> * Paul Mozell (paul at mozellstudios.com) wrote: > Can mailman be installed on a virtual host without root access? I > don't run my own server, just using a web hosting service. Can't I > just put it in my cgi-bin? There are certain commands that root needs to execute. For example on when you create the mailing list aliases, root needs to rebuild the aliases (at least on sendmail you do, no experience with exim and i just installed postfix so i'm learning it now). Apache conf files need to be modified as well. So its not very possiable to install it without root, but once installed, root isn't needed much. You can always setup a mailman alias file which sendmail reads from ~mailman which would cut down the root intervention. But if someone else out there has successfully installed a non-root mailman installation do let the world know. > And, how large is the untarred directory? Stock untarred dirs with no patches/configuration. mailman 2.0.13 [Mon Feb 10 - 22:57:08] (mailman at dogpound ~/mailman-2.0.13) $ du -s -c 2200 . 2200 total mailman 2.1.1 [Mon Feb 10 - 22:56:30] (mailman2 at dogpound ~/mailman-2.1.1) $ du -s -c 18412 . 18412 total -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ This is your brain. Postscript on brain your is This. From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Tue Feb 11 05:06:12 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:06:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring mailman for a future domain name In-Reply-To: ; from paul@fpen.org on Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 09:54:41PM -0600 References: <20030209212356.A18095@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: <20030210230612.B23686@dogpound.vnet.net> * Paul Kleeberg (paul at fpen.org) wrote: > What you say is correct but won't that put a "legacy" URL into > Default.py whereas if I used the (undocumented?) parameters below, > would it build Default.py with the correct URLs and therefore > eliminate the necessity to add the entry to mm_cfg.py? > > I suppose I should just shut-up and try it and see what happens... That's correct. By not modifing Defaults.py you put a 'legacy' url in there so its posed to confuse the next admin that takes your place (heaven forbid...). But I believe thoes are there for example purporses, and your not lucky enough to have the 'defaults' work. You can edit Defaults.py, I personally see no harm in it other than it'll break future source patches and maybe you'll forget working syntex's if you mess something up. But that's nothing that can't be solved by refering back to the Defaults.py in the tarball. Take it for what its worth, it was free... -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Interstellar Matter is a Gas From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Feb 11 05:06:35 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 10 Feb 2003 23:06:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] backing up mailman lists on commercial servers In-Reply-To: <20030210172638.73817.qmail@web80006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030210172638.73817.qmail@web80006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1044936399.1610.50.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> If your Hosting company will not do back-ups for you, then you can always use the Web-Admin tool and save the source pages. If you use a Linux workstation (or cygwin on a Windows box) then you can easily automate this task using Links. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 12:26, John Hughes wrote: > I rent space on a commercial Web site that uses cpanel for site management. > > Mailman comes installed and ready to use. > > Question: In an arrangement like this, where I do not have direct access to > installation and related files, how do I back up my mailing list addresses and > archive? > > The mailman FAQ suggests a shell script but I'm unfamiliar with how I would > determine the required paths. Also, I would only want to back up my lists. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > TIA > > John Hughes > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From debian at firman.us Tue Feb 11 05:08:30 2003 From: debian at firman.us (Andy Firman) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:08:30 -0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass subscribe using script or cut/paste? Message-ID: <200302101908.30866.debian@firman.us> I have 3,000 emails I need to get into a new Mailman mailing list. Do you think I can cut and paste into the admin membership- management interface? I have no clue what it can handle. I searched the archives but did not find anything similar to my question. The box I am using is remote and I only have ssh access to it along with the web management page of course. I suppose I could use wget, ftp, or maybe scp to get the file to the remote box to use the add_members script. At this time I am not too comfortable and confident doing something like that file transfer. Has anyone pasted that many into the admin membership-management page? How did it work? Thanks, Andy From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Tue Feb 11 05:24:33 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:24:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass subscribe using script or cut/paste? In-Reply-To: <200302101908.30866.debian@firman.us>; from debian@firman.us on Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 07:08:30PM -0900 References: <200302101908.30866.debian@firman.us> Message-ID: <20030210232433.D23686@dogpound.vnet.net> * Andy Firman (debian at firman.us) wrote: > > I have 3,000 emails I need to get into a new Mailman mailing list. > Do you think I can cut and paste into the admin membership- > management interface? I have no clue what it can handle. > I searched the archives but did not find anything similar to my question. My guess is it'll take a while to process that large amount of addresses. > The box I am using is remote and I only have ssh access to it along > with the web management page of course. > I suppose I could use wget, ftp, or maybe scp to get the file > to the remote box to use the add_members script. At this time I am not too > comfortable and confident doing something like that file transfer. This would be the easiest way to accomplish your goal. You could even email that file as an attachment then handle the file on that box. If you need help with the other transfer commands (scp/ftp/wget) I can give pointers there if necessary. Then adding the users would be as easy as # add_members --regular-members-file=textfile listtoaddto -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Book never written: "Dog training." by Wille Bite From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com Tue Feb 11 05:36:49 2003 From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:36:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass subscribe using script or cut/paste? In-Reply-To: <200302101908.30866.debian@firman.us> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030210232718.0282bc60@192.168.0.3> At 11:08 PM 2/10/2003, Andy Firman wrote: >I have 3,000 emails I need to get into a new Mailman mailing list. >Do you think I can cut and paste into the admin membership- >management interface? I have no clue what it can handle. >I searched the archives but did not find anything similar to my question. > >The box I am using is remote and I only have ssh access to it along >with the web management page of course. >I suppose I could use wget, ftp, or maybe scp to get the file >to the remote box to use the add_members script. At this time I am not too >comfortable and confident doing something like that file transfer. > >Has anyone pasted that many into the admin membership-management page? >How did it work? I've not done that many, but Mailman 2.1.1 a "file upload" option that I used to incorporate a fairly large list of names. It didn't seem to have any problem with the list. For your own sanity, you may want to break the list down into several smaller files, and import them one at a time so you can more easily review the "Error subscribing" list of addresses. I had the text file set up with address on a separate line in the format of: First Last Larry >Thanks, >Andy From barry at python.org Tue Feb 11 06:50:55 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 00:50:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Subscription - setting digest as default References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030207130440.00bb99c8@mail.whoffman.com> <20030207234023.C10297@dogpound.vnet.net> <20030208054341.GK28933@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <15944.36671.950093.327615@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "T" == Todd writes: T> Let me preface this by saying that I am *not* a python hacker T> nor do I know Mailman all that well... but I was curious. Don't underestimate yourself! Your patch was perfect; now applied to cvs. Thanks, -Barry P.S. Give me a full name for the ACKKNOWLEDGEMENTS file. :) From barry at python.org Tue Feb 11 07:28:40 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 01:28:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring Mailman References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030118133338.02273248@jenniferonsunday.com> Message-ID: <15944.38936.847132.212489@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "JH" == Jim Hodson writes: JH> Hello, I am working on setting up a Mailman mailing list for JH> our web site at http://www.jenniferonsunday.com. We are a JH> band and already have many people on an exisiting list (done JH> manually), which we want to migrate to Mailman. Our site is JH> hosted by Webanimotion, and they have Mailman on their server JH> for us. Jim, I've been going through some back email, and I came across this message. Talk about interesting coincidences: You guys are from the DC area, and if I'm not mistaken, recently did some work at Recording Arts w/ Marco Delmar? I saw your flier on the wall there a week or so ago, if I'm not mistaken. I've worked with Marco on two projects now, one with the Nancy Dougherty Band, and another just recently with Billy Coulter. Awesome producer, and great guy. Another weird coincidence -- my main band is the Cravin' Dogs, whose last record was called Root Rock Paper Scissors. :) You're also playing many of our haunts. Dang, I see I missed your CD release party at IOTA. Great venue, huh? Hope the show went well. We should definitely hook up musically some time. Okay, back to Mailman... As to your mailing list questions, well, I run the Dog's list and Nancy's list off my own servers, on Mailman of course. So it can definitely be done. Here are some hopefully useful answers. JH> We want a very simple mailing list system, and Mailman can do JH> a lot more than we need. I'm trying to find out how to best JH> configure Mailman for our needs. Here is what we want to do: JH> 1. Send e-mail news updates to our list. We do not want users JH> to be able to send to the list. Yep, that's how we do it. JH> 2. Users subscribe from our JH> website. Currently they enter their e-mail address on the JH> site, and click "Join", which sends the appropriate e-mail. Yep, although most of the joining we see is still us entering email addresses gathered from gigs. JH> 3. Users UNsubscribe as well. Yep. JH> The problem I've run into seems to revolve around the JH> password, and the Welcome E-mail. The Welcome E-mail has a JH> lot more information in it than we need. For instance, that JH> e-mail tells users that they can post to the list, which I do JH> not want them to be able to do. I know I can turn off the JH> feature about sending them the Welcome E-mail, but then they JH> won't have their password. In Mailman 2.1.x the way to customize the welcome message is to create a directory lists//en (assuming English :) and copy templates/subscribeack.txt to this directory. Then edit the file for your specific wording. Mailman will always this specialized template for the English welcome messages. JH> Also, when I migrate our current users to our Mailman list, I JH> don't want them to know about the migration. However, if they JH> don't get a Welcome E-mail, they also will not have a JH> password, and will be unable to unsubscribe automatically. In that case, I'd turn on personalization. For the Cravin' Dogs lists, I've disabled monthly password reminders, but I've turned on personalization, so at least people get a message with their options page in every footer. It's probably still a good idea to manually run the reminders once in a while if just to help cull the dead addresses. JH> Is there a way to modify the Welcome E-mail (besides just the JH> introduction to it)? Is there a way to avoid having to use a JH> password to unsubscribe? While not totally avoiding the use of a password, most unsubs won't need them. The easiest instructions are to send a message to -leave at dom.ain, and then simply reply to the confirmation message. They never need to know their password. JH> Thanks for any help you can provide. We really just want a JH> simple mailing list to get information to our fans. Hope that helps, -Barry From debian at firman.us Tue Feb 11 07:50:12 2003 From: debian at firman.us (Andy Firman) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:50:12 -0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass subscribe using script or cut/paste? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030210232718.0282bc60@192.168.0.3> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030210232718.0282bc60@192.168.0.3> Message-ID: <200302102150.12509.debian@firman.us> > I've not done that many, but Mailman 2.1.1 a "file upload" option that I > used to incorporate a fairly large list of names. It didn't seem to have > any problem with the list. For your own sanity, you may want to break the > list down into several smaller files, and import them one at a time so you > can more easily review the "Error subscribing" list of addresses. I had > the text file set up with address on a separate line in the format of: > > First Last Thanks for the comments everyone! I just added the subs through the web interface in 6 groups of 500 each. The software didn't even flinch. Very nice. Thanks to the developers of this Mailman software. It is awesome!!! Andy From jlhughes at yahoo.com Tue Feb 11 08:15:17 2003 From: jlhughes at yahoo.com (John Hughes) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:15:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing "To post to this list . . ." from confirmation e-mail Message-ID: <20030211071517.65281.qmail@web80010.mail.yahoo.com> I'm trying to set up Mailman to use as a vehicle for distributing a newsletter. I don't want anyone to think they can post messages to the list address. I have figured out how to modify the HTML for the public list pages. How do I remove the "To post to this list, send your email to..." from the registration confirmation e-mail? From debian at firman.us Tue Feb 11 08:33:02 2003 From: debian at firman.us (Andy Firman) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:33:02 -0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing "To post to this list . . ." from confirmation e-mail In-Reply-To: <20030211071517.65281.qmail@web80010.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030211071517.65281.qmail@web80010.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200302102233.02029.debian@firman.us> On Monday 10 February 2003 22:15, John Hughes wrote: > I'm trying to set up Mailman to use as a vehicle for distributing a > newsletter. I don't want anyone to think they can post messages to the list > address. > > I have figured out how to modify the HTML for the public list pages. How do > I remove the "To post to this list, send your email to..." from the > registration confirmation e-mail? Ooohhh. I know! Ask me. :-) I just spent 2 days setting up a kick-a$$ newsletter for thousands of people. First thing is to edit the html page for the general list info page. Take out the section where it says to post to the list send email here...etc... I think you got that covered. Next edit your footers. Comment out the second line and say something like subscribe/unsubscribe here: and the next line is the main info page where they go to sign up. You do this through the admin pages. Third: Do NOT send welcome messages. If you do they will see a comment on how to post to the list. You don't want that. They will just get a simple conf. message with a number when they sign up. Try it on a test list. You will see what I am talking about. If you want a nice welcome message then I can't help you out there. Fourth: Make it a moderated list AND make it so only members can post. But if you set it up right NOONE will see how to post. But if they do then you will be the moderator and you can kill the post. Fifth: Can't remember...its late. But you will figure it out. Just study the admin pages and read every single part of it and you will lock it down. andy From paul at fpen.org Tue Feb 11 11:43:39 2003 From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 04:43:39 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring mailman for a future domain name In-Reply-To: <20030210230612.B23686@dogpound.vnet.net> References: <20030209212356.A18095@dogpound.vnet.net> <20030210230612.B23686@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: Well I just decided to try it: From within the directory where I unpacked the tarball: ./configure --prefix=/var/mailman --with-cgi-gid=apache --with-mail-gid=mail --with-mailhost=fpen.org --with-urlhost=lists.fpen.org then "make install" and it appears to have worked. Default.py has the future URLs in it. I could not find documentation for --with-mailhost or --with-urlhost in section 2 of the INSTALL file or anywhere else. I agree with you. I do not think it wise to edit the Defaults.py file but the above process looked like it might be more orthodox. I'll let you know if I encounter problems. Paul At 11:06 PM -0500 2/10/03, Matthew Davis wrote: >* Paul Kleeberg (paul at fpen.org) wrote: >> What you say is correct but won't that put a "legacy" URL into >> Default.py whereas if I used the (undocumented?) parameters below, >> would it build Default.py with the correct URLs and therefore >> eliminate the necessity to add the entry to mm_cfg.py? >> >> I suppose I should just shut-up and try it and see what happens... > >That's correct. By not modifing Defaults.py you put a 'legacy' url in there >so its posed to confuse the next admin that takes your place (heaven >forbid...). But I believe thoes are there for example purporses, and your >not lucky enough to have the 'defaults' work. > >You can edit Defaults.py, I personally see no harm in it other than it'll >break future source patches and maybe you'll forget working syntex's if you >mess something up. But that's nothing that can't be solved by refering back >to the Defaults.py in the tarball. -- Paul Kleeberg paul at fpen.org From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Tue Feb 11 11:38:14 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:38:14 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring mailman for a future domain name In-Reply-To: <20030210230612.B23686@dogpound.vnet.net> References: <20030209212356.A18095@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030211102305.00ab14d0@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 04:06 11/02/2003, Matthew Davis wrote: >* Paul Kleeberg (paul at fpen.org) wrote: > > What you say is correct but won't that put a "legacy" URL into > > Default.py whereas if I used the (undocumented?) parameters below, > > would it build Default.py with the correct URLs and therefore > > eliminate the necessity to add the entry to mm_cfg.py? > > > > I suppose I should just shut-up and try it and see what happens... > >That's correct. By not modifing Defaults.py you put a 'legacy' url in there >so its posed to confuse the next admin that takes your place (heaven >forbid...). But I believe thoes are there for example purporses, and your >not lucky enough to have the 'defaults' work. > >You can edit Defaults.py, I personally see no harm in it other than it'll >break future source patches and maybe you'll forget working syntex's if you >mess something up. But that's nothing that can't be solved by refering back >to the Defaults.py in the tarball. The reason for not editing Defaults.py is that it is replaced when you install a new version of MM over an existing version: the normal case when updating an operational installation. Hence you will lose the configuration variable changes you have made to a running system if you made them in Defaults.py In contrast, mm_cfg.py is _NOT_ replaced when a new version of MM is installed over an existing version and hence your explicit local configuration changes are retained over the update. Remember that the Mailman source modules only import mm_cfg (never Defaults) which, alone, imports Defaults _before_ doing its own assignments; this means that the config variable assignments in mm_cfg override any assignment of the same variable in Defaults. If it isn't mentioned in mm_cfg, then the assignment in Defaults holds sway. Admins should follow the same logic, in which case there should be little room for confusion. Mailman's developers were thinking about site admins when they set things up to work this way. >Take it for what its worth, it was free... > >-- >Matthew Davis >http://dogpound.vnet.net/ > >Interstellar Matter is a Gas From barry at python.org Tue Feb 11 14:19:33 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:19:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring Mailman References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030118133338.02273248@jenniferonsunday.com> <15944.38936.847132.212489@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <15944.63589.556713.334055@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "JH" == Jim Hodson writes: JH> We want a very simple mailing list system, and Mailman can do JH> a lot more than we need. I'm trying to find out how to best JH> configure Mailman for our needs. Here is what we want to do: JH> 1. Send e-mail news updates to our list. We do not want users JH> to be able to send to the list. Some other suggestions: - Turn on the moderation flag for all your users. For existing users, go to the membership management page, and use the Additional Member Tasks to turn on the mod flag for all users. Then go to Privacy Options -> Sender filters and set the default_member_moderation flag to Yes. - Set the member_moderation_action to Reject and add a nice rejection notice text to the following text box. Say something like "this is an announcement list, to reach the band, please email jos at dom.ain" - Set the generic_nonmember_action to Reject. - Go to the General options and scroll down to Reply-To munging. Turn on first_strip_reply_to and set reply_goes_to_list to Explicit Address. Set reply_to_address to jos at dom.ain. This way anyone following up to an announcement will send the message to your band contact address. - Scroll down on the General options and set include_list_post_header to No, but leave include_rfc2369_headers to Yes. - For those of you allowed to post to the list, turn off their moderation flag so their postings go straight through. Alternatively, you can add an Approved header to your postings. - I'd also recommend turning on personalization under the NonDigest section, and disabling digests under the Digest section, but these are optional. That's everything I can think of for a general announcement-only list. Mailman can handle these kinds of lists quite well, although as you can see, it's not completely obvious everything you need to set. That's something I'd really like to improve for future releases (probably through something like List Styles). -Barry From barry at python.org Tue Feb 11 14:22:08 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:22:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing "To post to this list . . ." from confirmation e-mail References: <20030211071517.65281.qmail@web80010.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <15944.63744.27266.794873@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "JH" == John Hughes writes: JH> I'm trying to set up Mailman to use as a vehicle for JH> distributing a newsletter. I don't want anyone to think they JH> can post messages to the list address. JH> I have figured out how to modify the HTML for the public list JH> pages. How do I remove the "To post to this list, send your JH> email to..." from the registration confirmation e-mail? See my recent (two) postings about Jim's band announcement list. These are general recommendations for any one-way (e.g. announce-only) list. I'd really appreciate it if someone could finesse those two postings into a FAQ item! -Barry From john at sansaba.net Tue Feb 11 15:06:56 2003 From: john at sansaba.net (John Davenport) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:06:56 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change list to "unmoderated" Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030211080602.00bcb258@mail.overland.net> I have just become administrator for the maillist clergy at valleycluster.org hosted by pair.com. Presently this list is set to be moderated (all messages come to me with request to post, discard, etc). How to I change the configuration so the list is unmoderated (all messages automatically posted)? On the membership management page I see no flag to make a change. thanks, john davenport From jam at jamux.com Tue Feb 11 15:21:48 2003 From: jam at jamux.com (John A. Martin) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:21:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring Mailman In-Reply-To: <15944.63589.556713.334055@gargle.gargle.HOWL> (barry@python.org's message of "Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:19:33 -0500") References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030118133338.02273248@jenniferonsunday.com> <15944.38936.847132.212489@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <15944.63589.556713.334055@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <87el6eew3n.fsf@athene.jamux.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw >>>>> "Re: [Mailman-Users] configuring Mailman" >>>>> Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:19:33 -0500 BAW> - Set the member_moderation_action to Reject and add a nice BAW> rejection notice text to the following text box. Say BAW> something like "this is an announcement list, to reach the BAW> band, please email jos at dom.ain" BAW> - For those of you allowed to post to the list, turn off BAW> their moderation flag so their postings go straight BAW> through. Alternatively, you can add an Approved header to BAW> your postings. What about announce list owners who are frequently/perpetually represented as the originators of spoofed mails? Under the old regimen they resorted to moderating their own posts. I'm not sure I understand the _Approved_ header field. I'm thinking about grossly non-technical Microsoft addicts that are announce list owners. BAW> That's something I'd really like to improve for future BAW> releases (probably through something like List Styles). Cloneaid again? :-) jam -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQE+SQb2UEvv1b/iXy8RAs/eAJ41VESRDb4X45S5HslG9AZubsZ7CgCaApLr +Jl7AFsm5uuXXeh+rMSyJ90= =wkRk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jam at jamux.com Tue Feb 11 15:31:37 2003 From: jam at jamux.com (John A. Martin) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:31:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring Mailman In-Reply-To: <15944.38936.847132.212489@gargle.gargle.HOWL> (barry@python.org's message of "Tue, 11 Feb 2003 01:28:40 -0500") References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030118133338.02273248@jenniferonsunday.com> <15944.38936.847132.212489@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <87bs1ievna.fsf@athene.jamux.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw >>>>> "Re: [Mailman-Users] configuring Mailman" >>>>> Tue, 11 Feb 2003 01:28:40 -0500 BAW> In Mailman 2.1.x the way to customize the welcome message is BAW> to create a directory lists//en (assuming English BAW> :) and copy templates/subscribeack.txt to this directory. BAW> Then edit the file for your specific wording. Mailman will BAW> always this specialized template for the English welcome BAW> messages. Pity the normal list owner without shell access? jam -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQE+SQlCUEvv1b/iXy8RAk0WAJ4yWxGv4odzbRojUnzoQ0g+kMXAiwCeI/hw ulD13svNarZgdUtgCeeujTs= =U5v/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org Tue Feb 11 17:38:19 2003 From: Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org (Staven Bruce) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:38:19 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up Mailman on Sendmail Message-ID: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA6091221E2CE@SJVAPCD.MAIL> I am trying to set up Mailman on Sendmail. However I am having some trouble. This is my first time around using Linux 8.0 and Sendmail 8.12. I am using Mailman/Sendmail in conjunction with our company's Exchange 5.5 server. I have a seperate IP address and DNS entry for Mailman/Sendmail, but I can't figure out if that is enough for Mailman/Sendmail to work, or if I need to put the Mailman/Sendmail box "in the stream" of the incoming mail traffic, so that all list related messages are captured and all non list related messages are then forwarded on to the Exchange server. (Which is exactly what I don't want to do!) Any info would greatly help. Thanks, Staven From debian at firman.us Tue Feb 11 17:43:26 2003 From: debian at firman.us (Andy Firman) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 07:43:26 -0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cannot completely delete a list Message-ID: <200302110743.26835.debian@firman.us> Using Mailman 2.0.11 I have a list with spaces in the name like "Official Whatever Newsletter Test" and I tried to delete it but it did not remove everything. I am wondering if it has to do with the spaces in the name. I tried: rmlist -a Official\ Whatever\ Newsletter\ Test thinking this would work. Tried it many ways but it is still listed when I run the list_lists command. The management page is broken. It is almost like some of the remains were removed and some weren't. The Official Whatever Newsletter Test directory still exists under the /mailman/lists/ directory so there is some html stuff left. It shows up on the publically advertised lists on my site which I don't want. Can I just rm -rf the /mailman/lists/Official\ Whatever\ Newsletter\ Test/ directory and be done with it? From ian at ichilton.co.uk Tue Feb 11 17:45:33 2003 From: ian at ichilton.co.uk (Ian Chilton) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:45:33 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Virtual Hosts? Message-ID: <20030211164533.GA16193@roadrunner.ichilton.net> Hello, Please CC replies to ian at ichilton.co.uk I have read that mailman supports virtual hosts, but I am not sure how to use it. What I have is a box, say box.example.com running the list server. I have also setup apache with the mailman aliases for list.example.com, lists.something.com, lists.somethingelse.com. I have this in my mm_cfg.py: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.example.com' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.example.com' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) MTA = 'Postfix' POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['lists.example.com', lists.something.com', ['lists.somethingelse.com'] What I want to do be able to create lists in these different domains and have them completely separate, so, when you go to http://lists.something.com/mailman/admin you only see lists for something.com At the moment, I seem to be able to have multiple domains but they are global, so http://lists.something.com/mailman/admin shows all lists. The other problem is, when I create a list it sends out the "new list" message with all the URL's as lists.example.com - is there no way to get the "create list" web page to ask you the domain for the new list? Thanks! --ian From rjgoyette at anl.gov Tue Feb 11 19:02:55 2003 From: rjgoyette at anl.gov (Rick Goyette) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:02:55 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why so long a delay? Message-ID: We are running mailman 2.1 on a RedHat Linux 8.0 system, using sendmail-8.12.5-7, and using the /usr/sbin/sendmail -bd -ODeliveryMode=defer \ -ODaemonPortOptions=Name=MSA,Port=2525,M=E,Addr=127.0.0.1 line in the init script. Incomming messaages get routed through mailman quickly: Feb 11 11:09:18 zuul sendmail[28748]: h1BH9H2d028747: to="|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post ipnsstaff", ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=31420, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent but then things get queued, and stay queued for a long long time Feb 11 11:09:24 zuul sendmail[28751]: h1BH9NKo028751: to=, delay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=3985906, dsn=4.4.3, stat=queued unless I restart sendmail, when they all get dispersed. Can anyone advice me on this condition? -- R. J. Goyette Argonne National Laboratory rjgoyette at anl.gov (630) 252-4328 http://www.pns.anl.gov From janderson at literati.com Tue Feb 11 19:32:30 2003 From: janderson at literati.com (Jeff Anderson) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:32:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe / Unsubscribe without confirm / approve Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030211133040.03fa29a0@63.66.160.75> Does anyone know a way to send an email request to subscribe / unsubscribe from a list without requiring a confirmation / approval. Simply adding / removing someone from the system automatically. I checked through the past few months of the discussions archives and didn't find anything specifically for this. Thanks. Have a great day. Jeff Anderson Literati information Technology ================================================================= janderson at literati.com Jeff Anderson 1105 Charles Avenue Morgantown, WV 26505 (304) 292-0510 - Voice (304) 291-2066 - Fax / Data From scott at blast.com Tue Feb 11 21:06:39 2003 From: scott at blast.com (Scott R. Every) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:06:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] more 2.1.x upgrade issues Message-ID: <2147483647.1044975999@[10.1.120.1]> getting this error when submitting a post to any list: Feb 11 14:47:03 ov2 postfix/local[16243]: 7AB91804C: to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (Command died with status 8: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test_list". Command output: Failure to find group name mailman. Try adding this group to your system, or re-run configure, providing an existing group name with the command line option --with-mail-gid. ) now, we have recompiled mailman with every possible variation of --with-mail-gid. the group file looks like: root::0:root bin::1:root,bin,daemon daemon::2:root,bin,daemon sys::3:root,bin,adm adm::4:root,adm,daemon tty::5: disk::6:root,adm lp::7:lp mem::8: kmem::9: wheel::10:root floppy::11:root mail::12:mail news::13:news uucp::14:uucp man::15:man users::100:games,scott nogroup::-2: mailman:x:250: postfix:x:401: nobody:x:-2: postdrop:x:601: postfix version is 2.03 and it sends and receives mail with no problem. it almost appears like mailman is having a hard time seeing the groups. the exact same packaged install is working well on another machine also using postfix. does anyone have any ideas on how to debug this? how does one go about finding out what group a program(postfix) is running as? we have been working on this about 14 hours straight with no end in sight. no matter what we try to --with-mail-gid, we get the same message when posting to a list. any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks s Scott R. Every mailto:scott at blast.com Blast Inc. http://www.blast.com 1-800-24-BLAST ext 543 From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Feb 11 22:05:21 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 11 Feb 2003 16:05:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cannot completely delete a list In-Reply-To: <200302110743.26835.debian@firman.us> References: <200302110743.26835.debian@firman.us> Message-ID: <1044997524.2234.12.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 11:43, Andy Firman wrote: > > Using Mailman 2.0.11 > > I have a list with spaces in the name like "Official Whatever Newsletter Test" > and I tried to delete it but it did not remove everything. > I am wondering if it has to do with the spaces in the name. > > I tried: rmlist -a Official\ Whatever\ Newsletter\ Test > thinking this would work. Tried it many ways but it is still > listed when I run the list_lists command. > > The management page is broken. It is almost like some of the remains were > removed and some weren't. > > The Official Whatever Newsletter Test directory still exists under the > /mailman/lists/ directory so there is some html stuff left. > It shows up on the publically advertised lists on my site which I don't want. > > Can I just rm -rf the /mailman/lists/Official\ Whatever\ Newsletter\ Test/ > directory and be done with it? Yes. Check out the archives for more information, but that will take care of most of it. You might want to look in /mailman/archives/private and in /mailman/archives/public and remove any signs of it from there as well. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Feb 11 22:16:21 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 11 Feb 2003 16:16:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] more 2.1.x upgrade issues In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1044975999@[10.1.120.1]> References: <2147483647.1044975999@[10.1.120.1]> Message-ID: <1044998185.2239.15.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> There is a specific README.POSTFIX file. If you haven't read it yet, you should. If you have read it, you should look at it again more closely. HtH - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 15:06, Scott R. Every wrote: > getting this error when submitting a post to any list: > Feb 11 14:47:03 ov2 postfix/local[16243]: 7AB91804C: > to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (Command > died with status 8: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test_list". > Command output: Failure to find group name mailman. Try adding this group > to your system, or re-run configure, providing an existing group name with > the command line option --with-mail-gid. ) > > now, we have recompiled mailman with every possible variation of > --with-mail-gid. the group file looks like: > root::0:root > bin::1:root,bin,daemon > daemon::2:root,bin,daemon > sys::3:root,bin,adm > adm::4:root,adm,daemon > tty::5: > disk::6:root,adm > lp::7:lp > mem::8: > kmem::9: > wheel::10:root > floppy::11:root > mail::12:mail > news::13:news > uucp::14:uucp > man::15:man > users::100:games,scott > nogroup::-2: > mailman:x:250: > postfix:x:401: > nobody:x:-2: > postdrop:x:601: > > > postfix version is 2.03 and it sends and receives mail with no problem. it > almost appears like mailman is having a hard time seeing the groups. the > exact same packaged install is working well on another machine also using > postfix. does anyone have any ideas on how to debug this? > > how does one go about finding out what group a program(postfix) is running > as? > > we have been working on this about 14 hours straight with no end in sight. > no matter what we try to --with-mail-gid, we get the same message when > posting to a list. > > any help would be greatly appreciated. > > thanks > > s > > Scott R. Every mailto:scott at blast.com > Blast Inc. http://www.blast.com > 1-800-24-BLAST ext 543 > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Feb 11 22:54:21 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 11 Feb 2003 16:54:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe / Unsubscribe without confirm / approve In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030211133040.03fa29a0@63.66.160.75> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030211133040.03fa29a0@63.66.160.75> Message-ID: <1045000465.2239.49.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> There are work-arounds to allow ordinary users to do this. Please look at the list archives for complete descriptions. Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 13:32, Jeff Anderson wrote: > Does anyone know a way to send an email request to subscribe / unsubscribe > from a list without requiring a confirmation / approval. Simply adding / > removing someone from the system automatically. > > I checked through the past few months of the discussions archives and > didn't find anything specifically for this. > > Thanks. Have a great day. > > Jeff Anderson > Literati information Technology > > ================================================================= > janderson at literati.com > > Jeff Anderson > 1105 Charles Avenue > Morgantown, WV 26505 From barbato at igi.pd.cnr.it Tue Feb 11 17:11:22 2003 From: barbato at igi.pd.cnr.it (Paolo Barbato) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:11:22 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virus Message-ID: I've tried to download last release of mailman, but it seems that a virus (nimda) has infected last distribution, see attachment. Regards, Paolo. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paolo Barbato email: mailto:barbato at igi.pd.cnr.it Network Admin of Consorzio RFX system at igi.pd.cnr.it phone: (39-049)-829-5097 Corso Stati Uniti,4 (39-049)-829-5000 35127 Camin-Padova fax: (39-049)-8700718 ITALY www: http://www.igi.pd.cnr.it ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eyoung at toyota.com Tue Feb 11 18:50:23 2003 From: eyoung at toyota.com (Edmund Young III) Date: 11 Feb 2003 09:50:23 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman corruption? Message-ID: <1044985822.18858.12.camel@matrix> Mailman symptoms: - Very slow or not sending out messages - cpu utilization almost constantly 98% and above. Cause: - Probably an issue with excessive messages being sent to it, an event occurred where thousands of requests were sent to it because of a faulty systems alert process utilizing that alias. =========================== Has anyone seen these kinds of symptoms, if yes, what was done to correct it. Thanks. From bethannt at optonline.net Tue Feb 11 19:44:19 2003 From: bethannt at optonline.net (Tommy McPherson) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:44:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman help Message-ID: <3E494483.4010302@optonline.net> Can mailman be used to have a send only - list serve from a computer that is not online 24/7 but is on line most of the time? What is the downside to having the computer off line 12 hours or so a day? Tommy From Mark at Loewenberg.net Tue Feb 11 22:30:31 2003 From: Mark at Loewenberg.net (Mark Loewenberg) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:30:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] first confirmation message editing question HELP Message-ID: <3E496B77.DFF2E675@Loewenberg.net> I have set up a list called "city" through a hosting vendor and I have been able to reconfigure everything EXCEPT the first autoresponse message that confirms acceptance to the list! I need to be able to edit this and am not sure where to find the template for this message. the current message the system sends is this: --------------------------------------------- City -- confirmation of subscription -- request 524732 We have received a request from 66.156.18.80 for subscription of your email address, , to the City at adviewtise.com mailing list. To confirm the request, please send a message to City-request at adviewtise.com, and either: - maintain the subject line as is (the reply's additional "Re:" is ok), - or include the following line - and only the following line - in the message body: confirm 524732 (Simply sending a 'reply' to this message should work from most email interfaces, since that usually leaves the subject line in the right form.) If you do not wish to subscribe to this list, please simply disregard this message. Send questions to City-admin at adviewtise.com. --------------------------------------------- What I need to do is edit this down to the following... ------------------ City -- confirmation of subscription -- request 524732 We have received a request to add your email address, , to the City at adviewtise.com mailing list. To confirm the request, please reply to this message, and either: - maintain the subject line as it is, or include the following line - and only the following line - in the message body: confirm 524732 If you do not wish to subscribe to this list, please simply disregard this message. Send questions to City-admin at adviewtise.com. ------------------ What do I need to do to accomplish this? Thank you in advance, Mark 770 428 1071 Mark at ITSbiz.net From bart at zinnebeeld.nl Tue Feb 11 23:36:24 2003 From: bart at zinnebeeld.nl (Bart Driessen) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 23:36:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman Message-ID: <4051DF46-3E11-11D7-8768-003065FAE8B4@zinnebeeld.nl> i have some questions about mailman. we are distributing a html-designed e-zine (sent every weekday) with inline pictures in it. i have built the complete system myself (including contentmanagement for the site, web-based creation of the e-zine from the same contentmanagement system, sending the e-zine to about 11.000 members using standard php-mailing commands). there are a few options missing from our system: - scheduled sending of an e-zine - bounce management i'd like to know if your mailman software is suitable for my purposes, especially since we don't have a mailinglist (to which members can supply) but an e-zine. It is important to us to be able to have the ability to change the user config webpage from Mailman to our own design, just as the confirmation emails etc. It is also very important to be able to feed the sending system with an complete source of a mime/html message (which we save in a mysql database). kind regards, Bart From jarrell at vt.edu Wed Feb 12 00:06:29 2003 From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:06:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error: Incorrect padding? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030211180247.06320470@lennier.cc.vt.edu> At 05:34 PM 2/10/03 -0800, you wrote: >Yesterday we upgraded from Mailman 2.0.x to 2.1.1. All of the lists >except for one transfered over flawlessly, but any mail sent to that one >particular list causes errors like this to be dumped into >~mailman/logs/error: Yea, I've got a sourceforge bug open on that. There's a bad mime message (at least from mailman's point of view) destined for that list, and it's got the rest of the message stuck behind it,because that piece of the pipeline dies everytime it sees it. You're probably shunting those notes too. I ended up working around the problem temporarily, and getting my equivalent list back on the air by going into the list directory, and deleting the digest.mbox file, then doing an "unshunt" to put the messages in qfiles/shunt back into incoming. Mailman then reprocessed the rest of the messages, which were ok, minus the bad one, which didn't make it into the digest. >Feb 10 17:05:20 2003 (453) Uncaught runner exception: Incorrect padding >Feb 10 17:05:20 2003 (453) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in >_dispose > more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in >_dopipeline > sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 82, in process > send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in >send_digests > send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in >send_i18n_dige >sts > msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 252, in process > payload = part.get_payload(decode=1) > File "/home/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 189, in >get_payload > return Utils._bdecode(payload) > File "/home/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 75, in _bdecode > value = base64.decodestring(s) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/base64.py", line 44, in decodestring > return binascii.a2b_base64(s) >Error: Incorrect padding > >Feb 10 17:05:20 2003 (453) SHUNTING: 1044925519.00936+54468b31b755be1a7fa62d057b >d3f51581aece72 > >This problem also comes up when the digests are generated. > >Any suggestions? This is 2.1.1 built from source on Immunix Linux 7 with >Postfix and python 2.2. > >-- >Matt Barringer >WireX Communications, Inc. > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: jarrell at vt.edu >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jarrell%40vt.edu From barry at python.org Wed Feb 12 00:22:20 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:22:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virus References: Message-ID: <15945.34220.653899.693331@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "PB" == Paolo Barbato writes: PB> I've tried to download last release of mailman, but it seems PB> that a virus (nimda) has infected last distribution, see PB> attachment. Mailman's not infected but it has a neutered nimda example in its test suite. -Barry From warren at whoffman.com Wed Feb 12 02:14:06 2003 From: warren at whoffman.com (Warren Hoffman) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:14:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejecting Messages Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030211200903.00bb2d08@mail.whoffman.com> One of my colleagues (we're both very limited technically) figured out how to reject messages with attachments (mime, etc.) as well as messages with HTML. However, the sender gets no notification when this happens. Some people send involuntary or semi-involuntary attachments (like Outlook vcards - .vcf), so we'd like to at least give a bounce message. Could somebody tell me what config parameter would allow this and what I would put where. A simple message like "Your message was rejected because it had an attachment or HTML content" would be fine. Also - it would be wonderful if we could let some attachment types through - specifically .vcf and .dat as they're harmless and usually come from email systems like Outlook. Again, we're limited, so if someone could spell this out it would be very, very helpful. The reason we screen is because we don't want to pass anything on that might have a virus. Thanks! --Warren (Webmaster for odnetwork.org) ____________________________________________ _|_|_| Warren Hoffman - Organization Improvement Consultant _|_|_| 208 Jackson Blvd., Wilmington, DE 19803 _|_|_| Phone/Fax: 302-658-7508 _|_|_| warren at whoffman.com _|_|_| http://www.whoffman.com From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Feb 12 02:59:23 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:59:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change list to "unmoderated" In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030211080602.00bcb258@mail.overland.net>; from john@sansaba.net on Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 08:06:56AM -0600 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030211080602.00bcb258@mail.overland.net> Message-ID: <20030211205923.A28909@dogpound.vnet.net> * John Davenport (john at sansaba.net) wrote: > > I have just become administrator for the maillist clergy at valleycluster.org > hosted by pair.com. > Presently this list is set to be moderated (all messages come to me with > request to post, discard, etc). How to I change the configuration so the > list is unmoderated (all messages automatically posted)? On the membership > management page I see no flag to make a change. Try looking under Privacy Options on the web admin pages. Not sure about mailman 2.0, but for 2.1 there is a 'generic_nonmember_action' under 'Sender filters' on the Privacy Options page If you set that to 'Accept' it'll allow anyone under the sun to post to the list. Then you can set all the users to unmoderated on the 'Membership Management' page (at the bottom of the page there is an option to 'Set everyone's moderation bit, including those members not currently visible' to On/Off. Again this is for 2.1. If you have 2.0, check under the Privacy Options. There might be a few options there. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Did you expect mere proof to sway my opinion? From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Feb 12 03:05:29 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:05:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman corruption? In-Reply-To: <1044985822.18858.12.camel@matrix>; from eyoung@toyota.com on Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 09:50:23AM -0800 References: <1044985822.18858.12.camel@matrix> Message-ID: <20030211210529.B28909@dogpound.vnet.net> * Edmund Young III (eyoung at toyota.com) wrote: > Mailman symptoms: > > - Very slow or not sending out messages > - cpu utilization almost constantly 98% and above. > > Cause: > > - Probably an issue with excessive messages being sent to it, an event > occurred where thousands of requests were sent to it because of a faulty > systems alert process utilizing that alias. > > =========================== > Has anyone seen these kinds of symptoms, if yes, what was done to > correct it. > Thanks. Check the FAQ URL below, and check section 6. There are a few guidelines for various email systems. What's your setup like? mailman version? python version? OS? system specs? Then we might have more of an idea where we can help. > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes? From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Feb 12 03:37:24 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:37:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman help In-Reply-To: <3E494483.4010302@optonline.net>; from bethannt@optonline.net on Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 01:44:19PM -0500 References: <3E494483.4010302@optonline.net> Message-ID: <20030211213724.A29014@dogpound.vnet.net> * Tommy McPherson (bethannt at optonline.net) wrote: > Can mailman be used to have a send only - list serve from a computer > that is not online 24/7 but is on line most of the time? What is the > downside to having the computer off line 12 hours or so a day? Yes. Check the FAQ. There is a post-only or newletter style setup in there. And not having the mail server off-line 12+ hours will work, but its inconsiderate to the other mail server admins on the net. What your doing is letting mail to be delivered to your host backup on others servers. But its your call. If that's all you can do, that's all you can do. If your not a high traffic server, it shouldn't be too much trouble. But some servers send a bounce message after 4 hours of the message not being delivered. So thoes can get annoying if your down 4+ hours at a time. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ In computer science, we stand on each other's feet. - Brian Reid From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Feb 12 03:42:46 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:42:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] first confirmation message editing question HELP In-Reply-To: <3E496B77.DFF2E675@Loewenberg.net>; from Mark@Loewenberg.net on Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 04:30:31PM -0500 References: <3E496B77.DFF2E675@Loewenberg.net> Message-ID: <20030211214246.B29014@dogpound.vnet.net> * Mark Loewenberg (Mark at Loewenberg.net) wrote: > I have set up a list called "city" through a hosting vendor and I have > been able to reconfigure everything EXCEPT the first autoresponse > message that confirms acceptance to the list! Mailman 2.0.x Look in templates/verify.txt Mailman 2.1 Look in templates//verify.txt -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ NEWS! Iraqi head seeks arms From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Feb 12 04:20:32 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:20:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejecting Messages In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030211200903.00bb2d08@mail.whoffman.com>; from warren@whoffman.com on Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 08:14:06PM -0500 References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030211200903.00bb2d08@mail.whoffman.com> Message-ID: <20030211222032.D29014@dogpound.vnet.net> * Warren Hoffman (warren at whoffman.com) wrote: > Also - it would be wonderful if we could let some attachment types through > - specifically .vcf and .dat as they're harmless and usually come from > email systems like Outlook. Again, we're limited, so if someone could spell > this out it would be very, very helpful. The reason we screen is because we > don't want to pass anything on that might have a virus. Don't know about the first one. But this one I might can shed some light on. vcards have the Content-Type: text/x-vcard So it should be as easy as adding 'text/x-vcard' to 'pass_mime_types' on the 'Content Filtering' page using mailman 2.1. mailman 2.0 doesn't have content filtering. The other types (.dat, etc..) you'll just have to figure out the Content-Type. I only have outlook express 6 to test with. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ A life lived in fear is half a life lived. From andy at milonic.com Wed Feb 12 09:01:51 2003 From: andy at milonic.com (Andy Woolley) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:01:51 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing Archives Message-ID: <00dc01c2d26d$002afa40$0200a8c0@andypc> Hi All, I need to edit the archive of one of my lists to remove some text that a user is worried will be found on Search Engines. I've looked and see that this feature is to be added to Version 3.0 and possibly to version 2.1. My question is: Did this feature manage to get done in the current release? If not, is there a way I can edit the archive using a text editor? Thanks very much in advance. Andy From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Wed Feb 12 09:34:55 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:34:55 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing Archives In-Reply-To: <00dc01c2d26d$002afa40$0200a8c0@andypc> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030212082857.03df0fe0@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 08:01 12/02/2003, Andy Woolley wrote: >Hi All, > >I need to edit the archive of one of my lists to remove some text that a >user is worried will be found on Search Engines. > >I've looked and see that this feature is to be added to Version 3.0 and >possibly to version 2.1. > >My question is: Did this feature manage to get done in the current release? > >If not, is there a way I can edit the archive using a text editor? > >Thanks very much in advance. >Andy An archived eamil will be in two places: The list's UNIX mbox file: $prefix/archives/private/.mbox/.mbox The list's html archive. : $prefix/archives/private///.html You can edit either or both with a regular text editor. Or you can just edit the mbox file and use $prefix/bin/arch to rebuild the html archives. The second choice may chew up a fair bit of CPU time if the list concerned has a lost of postings. From mail at cdunne.org.uk Wed Feb 12 11:49:02 2003 From: mail at cdunne.org.uk (Christopher Dunne) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:49:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Non Member Filter Problems Message-ID: <20030212103238.W56701@cus.org.uk> Hi, I'm having a few problems with a moderated list since upgrading to 2.1. Members with the moderation flag unset can post to the list fine. However non_members on the 'accept_these_nonmembers' list seem to be ignored and their messages are held for moderation with the Reason: Post to moderated list. generic_nonmember_action is set to hold. Is this a bug with this version of mailman or is there something wrong with my config somewhere, Any ideas would be gratefully acepted, Chris Dunne From psancho at posta.unizar.es Wed Feb 12 12:17:15 2003 From: psancho at posta.unizar.es (Pilar Sancho) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:17:15 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with qfiles/shunt Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030212121634.00b5d298@posta.unizar.es> I need help with a problem that I have with Mailman 2.1b3 on Red Hat 7.2. I use the Spanish language as default. When someone send a too big message to the list the message remains retained in qfiles/shunt but does not order the remitter a message of mistake. In the file of log the following mistake stays Uncaught runner exception: unsupported format character 'K' (0x4b) at index 95 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 154, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 129, in _dispose status = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 152, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 179, in process MessageTooBig(bodylen, mlist.max_message_size)) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 199, in hold_for_approval msgdata['rejection-notice'] = Utils.wrap(exc.rejection_notice(mlist)) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 108, in rejection_notice return _('''Your message was too big; please trim it to less than File "/var/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 76, in _ return _translation.gettext(s) % dict ValueError: unsupported format character 'K' (0x4b) at index 95 Thanks very much in advance. Pilar From links at momsview.com Wed Feb 12 13:11:28 2003 From: links at momsview.com (Links at Momsview) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 07:11:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella List Spam Protection Message-ID: <009701c2d28f$e020d6c0$6401a8c0@p3> I currently have a VERY large ( >100k) announce only list (always moderated) running mailman 2.1 under Postfix. For performance reasons I'm considering splitting this list into 26 sublists based on the first letter of each subscriber email. I would then use an umbrella list to send to all of the sublists at once. As I understand it, unless I want to separately approve the message for the 26 sublists I need to allow at least one email address to post unmoderated on ALL of the sublists. This is very scary since spammers currently try to post on my current large list almost daily. (1) How do I protect the sublists from spammers who spoof the "from" address in their emails? (2) Can I protect these sublists from ALL emails other than those from localhost and my umbrella list? (3) Are there any other methods that people use for Umbrella announce only lists? One other method I've been thinking about is using a grep expression to define a sender address that is only valid for one day each month. Any idea how I could do this? From alberto at marcedone.it Wed Feb 12 14:56:53 2003 From: alberto at marcedone.it (Alberto Marcedone) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:56:53 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please HELP ME!!! - Mailmanctl does not work Message-ID: <009e01c2d29e$99a22000$6401a8c0@marcedon.it> [root at server mailman]# /home/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start Lista di sito mancante: mailman "mailmanctl start" does not work. All my mailing list are stopped. I have not a list called mailman. Here is the log: Feb 12 15:59:03 2003 mailmanctl(2628): Lista di sito mancante: mailman Feb 12 15:59:03 2003 (2628) Site list is missing: mailman Any suggestion? Alberto From wahorn at aace.com Wed Feb 12 15:22:31 2003 From: wahorn at aace.com (Ashley Horn) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:22:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bulk Subscribing In-Reply-To: <200302102233.02029.debian@firman.us> Message-ID: <005d01c2d2a2$2e03a180$fa64a8c0@ASHLEY> When bulk subscribing members to a mailman list (Version 2.1.1) through the web interface is it possible to associate a name with an e-mail address? What is the correct format for this process? Thanks, Ashley Horn From alberto at marcedone.it Wed Feb 12 15:35:44 2003 From: alberto at marcedone.it (Alberto Marcedone) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:35:44 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please HELP ME!!! - Mailmanctl does not work References: <02a701c2d2a2$d5b3cae0$9801a8c0@home.middlefinger.net> Message-ID: <015001c2d2a4$0d6cd160$6401a8c0@marcedon.it> Thanks for all. Now all work very fine. But I have upgraded from 2.1.b4 and I have not, first, the list called Mailman... Alberto ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Kercher" To: "'Alberto Marcedone'" Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:27 PM Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Please HELP ME!!! - Mailmanctl does not work create the mailman list -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] On Behalf Of Alberto Marcedone Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:57 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please HELP ME!!! - Mailmanctl does not work [root at server mailman]# /home/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start Lista di sito mancante: mailman "mailmanctl start" does not work. All my mailing list are stopped. I have not a list called mailman. Here is the log: Feb 12 15:59:03 2003 mailmanctl(2628): Lista di sito mancante: mailman Feb 12 15:59:03 2003 (2628) Site list is missing: mailman Any suggestion? Alberto ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: mike at camaross.net Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40camaross.net From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Wed Feb 12 15:58:48 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:58:48 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bulk Subscribing In-Reply-To: <005d01c2d2a2$2e03a180$fa64a8c0@ASHLEY> References: <200302102233.02029.debian@firman.us> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030212145739.041fca80@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 14:22 12/02/2003, Ashley Horn wrote: >When bulk subscribing members to a mailman list (Version 2.1.1) through >the web interface is it possible to associate a name with an e-mail >address? What is the correct format for this process? > >Thanks, > >Ashley Horn Adding lines like the next (non-blank) one works for me: "Fred Buggins" From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Wed Feb 12 15:54:30 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:54:30 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please HELP ME!!! - Mailmanctl does not work In-Reply-To: <009e01c2d29e$99a22000$6401a8c0@marcedon.it> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030212145310.040b1988@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 13:56 12/02/2003, Alberto Marcedone wrote: >[root at server mailman]# /home/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start >Lista di sito mancante: mailman > >"mailmanctl start" does not work. All my mailing list are stopped. >I have not a list called mailman. > >Here is the log: >Feb 12 15:59:03 2003 mailmanctl(2628): Lista di sito mancante: mailman >Feb 12 15:59:03 2003 (2628) Site list is missing: mailman > >Any suggestion? >Alberto Then create the 'master' mailing list called 'mailman' as instructed in the INSTALL document in the release. From kremels at kreme.com Wed Feb 12 16:24:04 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:24:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] CVS source of mailman? Message-ID: <05582716-3E9E-11D7-B229-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> Is there info on the www.list.org page about using CVS to update mailman? I noticed I'm still running 2.1b3. I'd like to avoid downloading the source and compiling manually if possible. -- There is NO Rule six! From khera at kcilink.com Wed Feb 12 16:29:42 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:29:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella List Spam Protection In-Reply-To: <009701c2d28f$e020d6c0$6401a8c0@p3> References: <009701c2d28f$e020d6c0$6401a8c0@p3> Message-ID: <15946.26726.541160.443325@onceler.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "LaM" == Links at Momsview writes: LaM> I currently have a VERY large ( >100k) announce only list (always LaM> moderated) running mailman 2.1 under Postfix. It seems to me if you turn off personalization, turn off VERP, and turn off anything else that would cause individual messages to be sent, postfix would handle this in the most efficient way given a large number of recipients per message. Making sub-lists would just cause a lot more work, I suspect. From esper at sherohman.org Wed Feb 12 17:43:47 2003 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:43:47 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] CVS source of mailman? In-Reply-To: <05582716-3E9E-11D7-B229-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> References: <05582716-3E9E-11D7-B229-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> Message-ID: <20030212164347.GB30221@sherohman.org> On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 08:24:04AM -0700, LuKreme wrote: > Is there info on the www.list.org page about using CVS to update > mailman? I noticed I'm still running 2.1b3. > > I'd like to avoid downloading the source and compiling manually if > possible. Erm... You _are_ aware that cvs is a tool for managing the source code and that you will still need to compile manually after using cvs to get the latest source, right? (Well, aside from the minor detail that Mailman is written in python which, AFAIK, doesn't require any explicit compilation...) -- The freedoms that we enjoy presently are the most important victories of the White Hats over the past several millennia, and it is vitally important that we don't give them up now, only because we are frightened. - Eolake Stobblehouse (http://stobblehouse.com/text/battle.html) From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Wed Feb 12 17:39:57 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:39:57 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella List Spam Protection In-Reply-To: <009701c2d28f$e020d6c0$6401a8c0@p3> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030212150502.03db4008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 12:11 12/02/2003, Links at Momsview wrote: >I currently have a VERY large ( >100k) announce only list (always >moderated) running mailman 2.1 under Postfix. > >For performance reasons I'm considering splitting this list into 26 sublists >based on the first letter of each subscriber email. >I would then use an umbrella list to send to all of the sublists at once. > >As I understand it, unless I want to separately approve the message for the >26 sublists I need to allow at least one email address to post unmoderated >on ALL of the sublists. This is very scary since spammers currently try to >post on my current large list almost daily. > > > >(1) How do I protect the sublists from spammers who spoof the "from" address >in their emails? > >(2) Can I protect these sublists from ALL emails other than those from >localhost and my umbrella list? > >(3) Are there any other methods that people use for Umbrella announce only >lists? > > >One other method I've been thinking about is using a grep expression to >define a sender address that is only valid for one day each month. >Any idea how I could do this? I would have thought the following arrangement would suit your needs: 1. Set up the umbrella list the same as you have your current all-in-one list in terms of privacy, moderation etc 2. The trick I think will work is to only allow postings to the sublists that have first gone to the umbrella list so that in most all respects the sublists do not have to protect themselves. 3. On the Privacy->Recipients page of the admin web GUI for the sublists set the acceptable_aliases field to contain a regex that only matches your umbrella list. 4. On the Privacy->Spam filters page of the admin web GUI for the sublists set the bounce_matching_headers fields to contain the following: to: @your.mailman.sever.com cc: @your.mailman.sever.com In essence sublists are going to allow through and distribute messages that have been sent to the umbrella list but hold messages sent direct to themselves. Because the rules are being applied to posts by the umbrella lists we do not have to worry about having tight rules for the sublists as what reaches them has been proved "acceptable" mail via the umbrella list. You probably want to tidy up a bunch of loose ends so that only the umbrella list adds footers and prefixs to the subject line and such, but I think this will work as you want. I suspect you may want to: 1. add to the list of non-members who are allowed to post to each sublist the addresses of those you are allowing to post to the umbrella list. 2. set the following on the Privacy->Senders page of the admin web GUI for the sublists: a. set the generic_nonmember_action to Discard or Reject b. forward_auto_discards to No This will mean that most attempts to post to the sublists will be discarded/rejected automatically. If that is not acceptable because the list of allowed posters is too long or whatever, then you will get notifications of held mail when posts are made directly to the sublists. Haven't figured out how to stop that (yet). Be interested to hear what your final solution is. From evertjan at vanramselaar.nl Wed Feb 12 17:49:24 2003 From: evertjan at vanramselaar.nl (Evert Jan van Ramselaar) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:49:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] News gated to list as attachment Message-ID: <001501c2d2b6$b42f8850$65000a0a@galaxy> Hello there, I upgraded from Mailman v2.0.13 to v2.1.1. Now, whenever a message from a usenet newsgroup gets gated to the list, it is being sent as an inline attachment. Is this a bug or a feature? When using 2.0.13 the messages were gated as plain text. I'd like to have that behaviour back. If needed, I can supply you with the message sources. -- Evert Jan van Ramselaar Van Ramselaar Info Tech From craner at haskins.yale.edu Wed Feb 12 17:52:36 2003 From: craner at haskins.yale.edu (Richard Crane) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:52:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message-ID: <63A3806A-3EAA-11D7-978D-000A9575CAF2@haskins.yale.edu> digest From lists at konfido.de Wed Feb 12 17:53:34 2003 From: lists at konfido.de (Matthias Juchem) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:53:34 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'Charset "CHARSET"' warning when doing make catalogs Message-ID: Hi there. I just wanted to do a upgrade to 2.1.1. The release notes tell me to do a 'make catalogs' in messages/. This step is repeated for each language: ---snip--- msgfmt -o lt/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo lt/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po Merging new template file with existing translations mv nl/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po nl/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po.old && msgmerge -o nl/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po nl/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po.old mailman.pot mailman.pot: warning: Charset "CHARSET" is not a portable encoding name. Message conversion to user's charset might not work. ............................................................................................................................ done. ---snip--- Can I safely ignore the warning? Regards, Matthias From barry at python.org Wed Feb 12 18:04:00 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:04:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] CVS source of mailman? References: <05582716-3E9E-11D7-B229-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> <20030212164347.GB30221@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <15946.32384.572837.312656@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "DS" == Dave Sherohman writes: DS> Erm... You _are_ aware that cvs is a tool for managing the DS> source code and that you will still need to compile manually DS> after using cvs to get the latest source, right? (Well, aside DS> from the minor detail that Mailman is written in python which, DS> AFAIK, doesn't require any explicit compilation...) Close. :) There are a few C wrappers in Mailman for security and these need to be compiled, and of course the Python source code should be byte compiled. But the truth is that this is no different from the source tarballs I distribute. It's the RPMs (or other package distros) which I don't build which would give you the stuff pre-compiled. -Barry From kremels at kreme.com Wed Feb 12 18:07:37 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:07:37 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] COntent Filtering (was Re: Rejecting Messages) In-Reply-To: <20030211222032.D29014@dogpound.vnet.net> Message-ID: <7CC89D8E-3EAC-11D7-9D3B-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> On Tuesday, Feb 11, 2003, at 20:20 Canada/Mountain, Matthew Davis wrote: > * Warren Hoffman (warren at whoffman.com) wrote: >> Also - it would be wonderful if we could let some attachment types >> through >> - specifically .vcf and .dat as they're harmless and usually come from >> email systems like Outlook. Again, we're limited, so if someone could >> spell >> this out it would be very, very helpful. The reason we screen is >> because we >> don't want to pass anything on that might have a virus. > > Don't know about the first one. But this one I might can shed some > light > on. > > vcards have the Content-Type: text/x-vcard > > So it should be as easy as adding 'text/x-vcard' to 'pass_mime_types' > on the > 'Content Filtering' page using mailman 2.1. mailman 2.0 doesn't have > content filtering. While we're here, does anyone have some recommendations on what to put in the content filtering section? I have audio (Klez) and application in the filter list and my pass-types is blank. I do want to allow photos and various other attachment types to the list, just not windiod viruses since no one on the list can seem to keep their computers clean. -- Eyes the shady night has shut/Cannot see the record cut And silence sounds no worse than cheers/After earth ahs stopped the ears. From kremels at kreme.com Wed Feb 12 18:09:53 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:09:53 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: CVS source of mailman? In-Reply-To: <20030212164347.GB30221@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On Wednesday, Feb 12, 2003, at 09:43 Canada/Mountain, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 08:24:04AM -0700, LuKreme wrote: >> Is there info on the www.list.org page about using CVS to update >> mailman? I noticed I'm still running 2.1b3. >> >> I'd like to avoid downloading the source and compiling manually if >> possible. > > Erm... You _are_ aware that cvs is a tool for managing the source > code and that you will still need to compile manually after using cvs > to get the latest source, right? hrm... I coulda sword I did a CVS update sorta in-place. Must need to adjust my medication :) > (Well, aside from the minor detail that Mailman is written in python > which, AFAIK, doesn't require any > explicit compilation...) I went ahead and plopped in 2.1.1. For the first time ever installing mailman I had _zero_ problems. -- There's nothing to do, so you just stay in bed [ah, poor thing] Why live in the world when you can live in your head? From kremels at kreme.com Wed Feb 12 18:16:06 2003 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:16:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: 'Charset "CHARSET"' warning when doing make catalogs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wednesday, Feb 12, 2003, at 09:53 Canada/Mountain, Matthias Juchem wrote: > I just wanted to do a upgrade to 2.1.1. The release notes tell me to > do a 'make catalogs' in messages/ They do? Where? All I found was: > NOTE: You should ordinarily never need to run "make catalogs", in messages/Makefile Source/mailman-2.1.1]# grep -r "make catalog" * messages/Makefile:# NOTE: You should ordinarily never need to run "make catalogs", but messages/Makefile.in:# NOTE: You should ordinarily never need to run "make catalogs", but -- There's nothing to do, so you just stay in bed [ah, poor thing] Why live in the world when you can live in your head? From lists at konfido.de Wed Feb 12 18:32:41 2003 From: lists at konfido.de (Matthias Juchem) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 18:32:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: 'Charset "CHARSET"' warning when doing make catalogs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wednesday, 12. February 2003 18:16, LuKreme wrote: > On Wednesday, Feb 12, 2003, at 09:53 Canada/Mountain, Matthias Juchem > > wrote: > > I just wanted to do a upgrade to 2.1.1. The release notes tell me to > > do a 'make catalogs' in messages/ > > They do? Where? In Barry's announcement per e-mail ("RELEASED Mailman 2.1.1" on this list): --quote-- Note that applying the patch does /not/ completely update the language support. If you go the patch route, you will want to cd into the messages directory and run "make catalogs" before installing. This will only work if your OS has the necessary language tools installed. You don't need to do this if your lists are all English-only. --quote-- Regards, Matthias From cary at dotaku.com Wed Feb 12 19:04:54 2003 From: cary at dotaku.com (cary) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 02:04:54 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Illegal email address comma in email address Message-ID: <007101c2d2c1$406531d0$6601a8c0@archie> Hi, One of my mailing lists has a single email address formatted like so na,me at mailinglist.com I can't seem to unsub this address to correct the problem with either ./remove_members it can't find users 'na' or 'me'. or the web interface which spits the following error to me. Error Unsubscribing: na,me at mailinglist.com -- Not subscribed if I select the user name in 'Membership List' I receive the following error: [Error: Illegal Email Address: na,me at mailinglist.com] I have mailman 2.1.1 installed. I've searched the archives with no luck. Tried ./remove_members \"na,me at mailinglist.com"\ as well with a negative return. Thanks, Cary. From cary at dotaku.com Wed Feb 12 19:15:20 2003 From: cary at dotaku.com (cary) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 02:15:20 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From header 'Bounces on behalf of' issue Message-ID: <007201c2d2c2$b580a2f0$6601a8c0@archie> My upgrade from 2.0.x to 2.1 went smoothly except for the following FROM header peculiarity. All my lists have the FROM address returning: maillist-bounces at mailinglist.com; on behalf of; user [user at user.com] Shouldn't this return maillist at mailinglist.com; on behalf of; user [user at user.com] ? Is there anyway to remove the 'bounces' from the 'from' header or is this the expected/planned from header format? Thanks, Cary. From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Wed Feb 12 20:00:46 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:00:46 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From header 'Bounces on behalf of' issue In-Reply-To: <007201c2d2c2$b580a2f0$6601a8c0@archie> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030212185947.04257248@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 18:15 12/02/2003, cary wrote: >My upgrade from 2.0.x to 2.1 went smoothly except for the following FROM >header peculiarity. All my lists have the FROM address returning: > > maillist-bounces at mailinglist.com; on behalf of; user >[user at user.com] > >Shouldn't this return > > maillist at mailinglist.com; on behalf of; user [user at user.com] ? > >Is there anyway to remove the 'bounces' from the 'from' header or is >this the expected/planned from header format? > >Thanks, > >Cary. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp for an explanation of why Outlook causes this problem. From ashley at pcraft.com Wed Feb 12 21:11:25 2003 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:11:25 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman crashing Message-ID: <3E4AAA6D.1000906@pcraft.com> Setup: Mailman 2.1, running on Red Hat 7.3, with Sendmail 8.12.7. For the umpteen time now, Mailman has mysteriously stopped it's runners. I have attached a text file (qrunner.txt) which contains the last three times it stopped working. What's causing Mailman to just quit like this with no discernible reason? Is there something I can do to figure out what the reason might be? -- M | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: qrunner.txt Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030212/fb197769/attachment.txt From david at midrange.com Wed Feb 12 21:44:56 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:44:56 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman crashing References: <3E4AAA6D.1000906@pcraft.com> Message-ID: "Ashley M. Kirchner" wrote in message news:3E4AAA6D.1000906 at pcraft.com... > Setup: Mailman 2.1, running on Red Hat 7.3, with Sendmail 8.12.7. > For the umpteen time now, Mailman has mysteriously stopped it's > runners. I have attached a text file (qrunner.txt) which contains the last > three times it stopped working. > What's causing Mailman to just quit like this with no discernible > reason? Is there something I can do to figure out what the reason might be? FWIW: I'm experiencing a very similar problem ... I'm running on RH 8.0 (boy, was it a mistake to do that upgrade). The only difference is: on my system, qrunner is stopping every 24 hours. It seems to be related to some code that sets an ALARM signal ... but I can't figure out any more than that. david From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Wed Feb 12 22:54:01 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:54:01 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] https link on admindb page (bug?) Message-ID: <20030212215401.GY26465@hq.newdream.net> If I go to: https://mailman.example.com/mailman/admin/listname the links all still work via SSL (which is good); however when I go to: https://mailman.example.com/mailman/admindb/listname the 'Submit' button points to the insecure (non-ssl) version; since we deny access to the non-ssl version from outside our office network, this obviously creates problems. This is with 2.1 on Debian Linux - we're using the Debian package on that machine, so I haven't upgraded yet. I have a 2.1.1 machine I can test this on, but just wondering if people have run into this problem and if there's an easy workaround. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Wed Feb 12 23:01:58 2003 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:01:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Illegal email address comma in email address In-Reply-To: <007101c2d2c1$406531d0$6601a8c0@archie> References: <007101c2d2c1$406531d0$6601a8c0@archie> Message-ID: <1077.65.198.68.222.1045087318.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> cary said: > One of my mailing lists has a single email address formatted like so > > na,me at mailinglist.com hmm did you try escaping the ,: na\,me at mailinglist.com Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear "All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals"-Charge of the Goddess From SinghP at dvd.panasonic.com Wed Feb 12 23:37:32 2003 From: SinghP at dvd.panasonic.com (Pawan Singh) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:37:32 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message-ID: <10E28E1043D6D511BD660008C72BAB8B02A6094A@mail.dvd.panasonic.com> Hi, I get the following error when I run the command, bin/mailmanctl start ImportError: No module named getopt Could not find platform independent libraries Could not find platform dependent libraries Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 72, in ? import getopt Thanks -Pawan From peter at thenephilim.net Thu Feb 13 03:03:48 2003 From: peter at thenephilim.net (Peter van Rensburg) Date: 12 Feb 2003 18:03:48 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading from 2.0.0 to 2.1.1 using Exim 3.36 Message-ID: <1045101827.1254.94.camel@lucidlap.corp.sf.sysfusion.net> Hello I removed the old transports from the exim configuration and installed the single new transport & single director as per README.EXIM, now I just get this: xxxxx D=mailman_director T=mailman_transport: Child process of mailman_transport transport returned 1 from command: /opt/mailman/mail/mailman I cannot figure out what's wrong, where does that error number originate from ? run_script always returns 4 if there's a problem? Any clue what 1 means? There's nothing in /opt/mailman/logs/error, I've ran check_perms, all seems fine. Any help would be appreciate, production servers are down and the boss is getting pissed. Thanks, -- Peter van Rensburg From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Feb 13 04:01:57 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 12 Feb 2003 22:01:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] In-Reply-To: <10E28E1043D6D511BD660008C72BAB8B02A6094A@mail.dvd.panasonic.com> References: <10E28E1043D6D511BD660008C72BAB8B02A6094A@mail.dvd.panasonic.com> Message-ID: <1045105320.2495.4.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Don't know if this will help but those variables are normally defined during the install. You can set them in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and read about them in ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py # These directories are used to find various important files # in the Mailman installation. PREFIX and EXEC_PREFIX are # set by configure and should point to the installation # directory of the Mailman package. PYTHON = '/usr/bin/python' PREFIX = '/usr/local/mailman' EXEC_PREFIX = '${prefix}' VAR_PREFIX = '/usr/local/mailman' # Work around a bogus autoconf 2.12 bug if EXEC_PREFIX == '${prefix}': EXEC_PREFIX = PREFIX Looks like you have something fundamentally wrong with your install... Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 17:37, Pawan Singh wrote: > Hi, > > I get the following error when I run the command, bin/mailmanctl start > > > ImportError: No module named getopt > Could not find platform independent libraries > Could not find platform dependent libraries > Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] > 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 72, in ? > import getopt > > > Thanks > > -Pawan > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From paul at fpen.org Thu Feb 13 04:11:28 2003 From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:11:28 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Building a patch file Message-ID: Could anyone direct me to instructions on how to build a patch file for the totally clueless? I want to be able to modify the way all the english html pages appear (which I did successfully once) but I would like to do it as a patch so it is easy to redo as necessary. Paul -- Paul Kleeberg paul at fpen.org From links at momsview.com Thu Feb 13 04:23:51 2003 From: links at momsview.com (Links at Momsview) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:23:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella List Spam Protection References: <009701c2d28f$e020d6c0$6401a8c0@p3> <3E4AB031.8070407@vo.cnchost.com> Message-ID: <003f01c2d30f$559e40c0$6401a8c0@p3> JC, Thanks for the suggestion and the link. This is what I'm seeing with my single list of 140,000 subs (1) MTA performance is not a bottleneck OutgoingRunner is sending to Postfix at between 15-30 emails /sec. Since the mail queue never grows beyond 1000 (from failed deliveries) I'm assuming that Mailman (or the I/O to /var/log/maillog) is the bottleneck limiting performance. In any case I'm more than satisfied with 900-1800 emails/minute. (2) Excessive Memory usage BounceRunner, OutgoingRunner, CommandRunner, ArchRunner, IncomingRunner and VirginRunner are EACH using 120-135 Megabytes of Memory. That's over 700Mbytes RAM just to load these processes (and periodically trigger swap on my 1.5GB 2GHZ P4). I've been able to track the memory usage to the use of a Python dictionary to hold the mailing list (the extra memory required for the hash space probably results in 500% memory overhead compared to a Python list structure). (3) Excessive Processing Time BounceRunner was processing over 80 bounces per minute peak with a list size of 48,000 subs. That went to 40 bounces per minute peak at 89,000 subs and 25 per minute at 138,000. I believe this is due to the CPU time and disk I/O required to write out 17 megabytes of data for every bounce (at 142,000 subs). CommandRunner is showing a similar drop in performance probably due to the same reasons If there is another approach I should take PLEASE PLEASE let me know. But from what I'm seeing, short of re-writing a lot of code, splitting the list is my only hope of reducing both the memory usage and the processing time. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "JC Dill" To: "Links at Momsview" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella List Spam Protection > Links at Momsview wrote: > > I currently have a VERY large ( >100k) announce only list (always > > moderated) running mailman 2.1 under Postfix. > > > > For performance reasons I'm considering splitting this list into 26 sublists > > based on the first letter of each subscriber email. > > I would then use an umbrella list to send to all of the sublists at once. > > > > As I understand it, unless I want to separately approve the message for the > > 26 sublists I need to allow at least one email address to post unmoderated > > on ALL of the sublists. This is very scary since spammers currently try to > > post on my current large list almost daily. > > Before you go down this road, be sure you have done everything possible > in terms of selecting and configuring your outgoing mail server to > handle the volume. I suspect that handling the outgoing volume will be > easier and more effective when you direct your attention towards your > mail server, than setting up sublists on the list server. > > FAQ entry 1.15 has more on this topic, and directs you to related topics: > > > > HTH > > jc > > > From claw at kanga.nu Thu Feb 13 04:31:36 2003 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:31:36 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella List Spam Protection In-Reply-To: Message from Links at Momsview of "Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:23:51 EST." <003f01c2d30f$559e40c0$6401a8c0@p3> References: <009701c2d28f$e020d6c0$6401a8c0@p3> <3E4AB031.8070407@vo.cnchost.com> <003f01c2d30f$559e40c0$6401a8c0@p3> Message-ID: <22722.1045107096@kanga.nu> On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:23:51 -0500 Links at Momsview wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion and the link. This is what I'm seeing with > my single list of 140,000 subs Urk, I've not played with 2.1 much at all yet (too buried in Zope). I'd thought that 2.1 lost the in-memory dictionary for the entire subscriber base. Damn. It does sound like you are RAM starved. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Thu Feb 13 04:45:57 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:45:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Building a patch file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030213034557.GE23870@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Paul Kleeberg wrote: > Could anyone direct me to instructions on how to build a patch file > for the totally clueless? I don't have any handy URLs, but I can try and give you a brief example of how to do this. > I want to be able to modify the way all the english html pages appear > (which I did successfully once) but I would like to do it as a patch > so it is easy to redo as necessary. As with all things *nix, there are several ways to do it. If you are going to be modifying many files, I prefer to create two copies of the directory containing the modified files. In the case of mailman, I would have mailman-orig and mailman. Make the changes you want to make in the mailman directory and then use diff: [user at host tmp]# diff -uNr mailman-orig mailman > /path/to/mailman.patch The diff options are: -u unified output format -N In directory comparison, if a file is found in only one directory, treat it as present but empty in the other directory. -r recursively compare any subdirectories To apply this patch to another mailman install, you would cd into the mailman directory use patch: [user at host mailman]# patch -p1 < /path/to/mailman.patch The -p1 tells patch to strip off the first part of the directory info stored in the patch file, which is what you want if you've created a recursive diff as I did above. Check the diff and patch manpages for more details. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me. -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+SxT1uv+09NZUB1oRAvz2AJ91tdx7ZPz95Rk20EgSTXHoL+tn3gCZAVLi 6sdionv/gCa+hWghrj2nSOA= =0Nw8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From links at momsview.com Thu Feb 13 05:01:56 2003 From: links at momsview.com (Links at Momsview) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 23:01:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella List Spam Protection References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030212150502.03db4008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <004a01c2d314$a95323c0$6401a8c0@p3> Richard, Thank you very much for the detailed reply. Please let me know if I understood what you are suggesting (1) By having the sublists ONLY accept messages with a To: umbrella-list-name at myserver.com NO ONE can ever directly post to the sublists by directly sending an email to my server since ANY email of this form would end up going to the umbrella list first. (2) By setting up Spam filters on each sublist to detect: to: @myserver.com OR cc: @myserver.com ANY emails sent directly to the sublist will be HELD. (3) Then set up a list of acceptable non-members to post to the list (on both the umbrella and the sublists) AND require moderation on the umbrella for this address (but no moderation on the sublists). (4) An email sent from an acceptable non-member address to the Umbrella list will be held for moderation. Once approved it will be forwarded to the sublists and mailed out. (5)If someone attempts to spoof this acceptable non-member address and send to the sublists the SPAM filters will match on the "sublist-name" in the "to:" or "cc:" fields and HOLD the message. Questions: It appears that (5) is critical since the non-member address on the sublist is set to allow posting without moderation. Could you post the exact form of this spam filter "regex string". Do I need several different formats to detect possible variations? How do I set the General Options (on the Umbrella and sublists) to hide the acceptable non-member address from the mail headers and allow the post to pass properly between the umbrella and sublists? Any idea how I can easily create my 26 sublists without a lot of GUI clicks? Thank you so much in advance for all your help, John > 2. The trick I think will work is to only allow postings to the sublists > that have first gone to the umbrella list so that in most all respects the > sublists do not have to protect themselves. > > 3. On the Privacy->Recipients page of the admin web GUI for the sublists > set the acceptable_aliases field to contain a regex that only matches your > umbrella list. > > 4. On the Privacy->Spam filters page of the admin web GUI for the sublists > set the bounce_matching_headers fields to contain the following: > > to: @your.mailman.sever.com > cc: @your.mailman.sever.com > > In essence sublists are going to allow through and distribute messages that > have been sent to the umbrella list but hold messages sent direct to > themselves. > > Because the rules are being applied to posts by the umbrella lists we do > not have to worry about having tight rules for the sublists as what reaches > them has been proved "acceptable" mail via the umbrella list. From cary at dotaku.com Thu Feb 13 05:16:24 2003 From: cary at dotaku.com (cary) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:16:24 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Illegal email address comma in email address In-Reply-To: <1077.65.198.68.222.1045087318.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> Message-ID: <00bf01c2d316$ad69ab80$6601a8c0@archie> Yeah gave that a try with no success. Zdoes anyone know how I can manually edit my lists email addresses? Thanks, Cary. > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+cary=dotaku.com at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+cary=dotaku.com at python.org] On > Behalf Of Glenn Sieb > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 6:02 AM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [spam] Re: [Mailman-Users] Illegal email address > comma in email address > > > cary said: > > One of my mailing lists has a single email address formatted like so > > > > na,me at mailinglist.com > > hmm did you try escaping the ,: > > na\,me at mailinglist.com > > Glenn > --- From ivaldes at hal-pc.org Thu Feb 13 05:44:48 2003 From: ivaldes at hal-pc.org (Ignacio Valdes) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:44:48 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI scripts? Message-ID: <3E4B22C0.6090904@hal-pc.org> Hello all, We would like for subscribers to enter biographical information about themselves prior to approval for subscription to a list. Can the new Mailman 2.1.1 do this or be customized to do it? Can it run CGI scripts? If so, how? I am running in an environment in which I am list administrator, but do not have root access to the server, only web access. -- IV From peter at thenephilim.net Thu Feb 13 05:50:55 2003 From: peter at thenephilim.net (Peter van Rensburg) Date: 12 Feb 2003 20:50:55 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading from 2.0.0 to 2.1.1 using Exim 3.36 - Fixed In-Reply-To: <1045101827.1254.94.camel@lucidlap.corp.sf.sysfusion.net> References: <1045101827.1254.94.camel@lucidlap.corp.sf.sysfusion.net> Message-ID: <1045111854.1043.52.camel@lucidlap.corp.sf.sysfusion.net> Well I fixed it, although I'm still not sure where exactly the "1" came from. Once again the @#($*% python-2.1 from sunfreeware comes back to bite me, socket.so being linked against libssl.so.0.9.6, I have 0.9.7 installed for openssh and while not paying attention I (fortunately) compiled it staticly (in /opt), so I just installed the openssl 0.9.6g package from sunfreeware which installs dynamic libraries. I tried Exim's "environment" pipe transport option but that didn't help. I hacked the mailman wrapper (quick & dirty style;) and added support for a hard compiled LD_LIBRARY_PATH. Attached is a patch, maybe it'll help someone out there. Cheers, Peter On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 18:03, Peter van Rensburg wrote: > Hello > > I removed the old transports from the exim configuration and installed > the single new transport & single director as per README.EXIM, now I > just get this: > > xxxxx D=mailman_director T=mailman_transport: Child process of > mailman_transport transport returned 1 from command: /opt/mailman/mail/mailman > > I cannot figure out what's wrong, where does that error number originate > from ? run_script always returns 4 if there's a problem? Any clue what 1 > means? There's nothing in /opt/mailman/logs/error, I've ran check_perms, > all seems fine. > > Any help would be appreciate, production servers are down and the boss > is getting pissed. > > Thanks, -- Peter van Rensburg From peter at thenephilim.net Thu Feb 13 06:07:49 2003 From: peter at thenephilim.net (Peter van Rensburg) Date: 12 Feb 2003 21:07:49 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading from 2.0.0 to 2.1.1 using Exim 3.36 - Fixed In-Reply-To: <1045111854.1043.52.camel@lucidlap.corp.sf.sysfusion.net> References: <1045101827.1254.94.camel@lucidlap.corp.sf.sysfusion.net> <1045111854.1043.52.camel@lucidlap.corp.sf.sysfusion.net> Message-ID: <1045112868.1043.58.camel@lucidlap.corp.sf.sysfusion.net> Patch didn't make it I guess, here it is: diff -u mailman-2.1.1/src/Makefile.in mailman-2.1.1-modified/src/Makefile.in --- mailman-2.1.1/src/Makefile.in 2002-12-11 20:30:37.000000000 -0800 +++ mailman-2.1.1-modified/src/Makefile.in 2003-02-12 20:52:12.570001000 -0800 @@ -56,6 +56,7 @@ COMMON_FLAGS= -DPREFIX="\"$(prefix)\"" \ -DPYTHON="\"$(PYTHON)\"" \ + -DLDLIBRARYPATH="\"$(LD_LIBRARY_PATH)\"" \ $(HELPFUL) Only in mailman-2.1.1-modified/src/: admin Only in mailman-2.1.1-modified/src/: admindb diff -u mailman-2.1.1/src/common.c mailman-2.1.1-modified/src/common.c --- mailman-2.1.1/src/common.c 2002-09-04 18:29:57.000000000 -0700 +++ mailman-2.1.1-modified/src/common.c 2003-02-12 19:14:00.309998000 -0800 @@ -25,6 +25,7 @@ const char* scriptdir = SCRIPTDIR; const char* moduledir = MODULEDIR; +const char* ldlibrarypath = LDLIBRARYPATH; char* python = PYTHON; /* Global variable used as a flag */ @@ -170,6 +171,7 @@ "PYTHONPATH=", "PYTHONHOME=", "PATH=", + "LD_LIBRARY_PATH", NULL }; @@ -187,7 +189,9 @@ run_script(const char* script, int argc, char** argv, char** env) { const char envstr[] = "PYTHONPATH="; + const char ldstr[] = "LD_LIBRARY_PATH="; const int envlen = strlen(envstr); + const int ldlen = strlen(ldstr); int envcnt = 0; int i, j, status; @@ -222,7 +226,7 @@ ; /* okay to be a little too big */ - newenv = (char**)malloc(sizeof(char*) * (envcnt + 2)); + newenv = (char**)malloc(sizeof(char*) * (envcnt + 3)); /* filter out any troublesome environment variables */ for (i = 0, j = 0; i < envcnt; i++) { @@ -252,6 +256,15 @@ strcat(newenv[j], moduledir); j++; + /* hack LD_LIBRARY_PATH in */ + newenv[j] = (char*)malloc(sizeof(char) * ( + strlen(ldstr) + + strlen(ldlibrarypath) + + 1)); + strcpy(newenv[j], ldstr); + strcat(newenv[j], ldlibrarypath); + j++; + newenv[j] = NULL; /* Now put together argv. This will contain first the absolute path Only in mailman-2.1.1-modified/src/: common.o Only in mailman-2.1.1-modified/src/: confirm Only in mailman-2.1.1-modified/src/: create Only in mailman-2.1.1-modified/src/: edithtml Only in mailman-2.1.1-modified/src/: listinfo Only in mailman-2.1.1-modified/src/: mailman Only in mailman-2.1.1-modified/src/: options Only in mailman-2.1.1-modified/src/: private Only in mailman-2.1.1-modified/src/: rmlist Only in mailman-2.1.1-modified/src/: roster Only in mailman-2.1.1-modified/src/: subscribe Only in mailman-2.1.1-modified/src/: vsnprintf.o On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 20:50, Peter van Rensburg wrote: > Well I fixed it, although I'm still not sure where exactly the "1" came > from. Once again the @#($*% python-2.1 from sunfreeware comes back to > bite me, socket.so being linked against libssl.so.0.9.6, I have 0.9.7 > installed for openssh and while not paying attention I (fortunately) > compiled it staticly (in /opt), so I just installed the openssl 0.9.6g > package from sunfreeware which installs dynamic libraries. > > I tried Exim's "environment" pipe transport option but that didn't help. > I hacked the mailman wrapper (quick & dirty style;) and added support > for a hard compiled LD_LIBRARY_PATH. Attached is a patch, maybe it'll > help someone out there. > > Cheers, > Peter > > On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 18:03, Peter van Rensburg wrote: > > Hello > > > > I removed the old transports from the exim configuration and installed > > the single new transport & single director as per README.EXIM, now I > > just get this: > > > > xxxxx D=mailman_director T=mailman_transport: Child process of > > mailman_transport transport returned 1 from command: /opt/mailman/mail/mailman > > > > I cannot figure out what's wrong, where does that error number originate > > from ? run_script always returns 4 if there's a problem? Any clue what 1 > > means? There's nothing in /opt/mailman/logs/error, I've ran check_perms, > > all seems fine. > > > > Any help would be appreciate, production servers are down and the boss > > is getting pissed. > > > > Thanks, -- Peter van Rensburg From david at kenpro.com.au Thu Feb 13 08:17:21 2003 From: david at kenpro.com.au (David) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 18:17:21 +1100 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] hotmail bouncing In-Reply-To: <10E28E1043D6D511BD660008C72BAB8B02A6094A@mail.dvd.panasonic.com> Message-ID: I've been running an announce only list for a couple of months. Hotmail has bounced everything from the last two posts. It's pretty vanilla stuff... some text and some url's. Nothing I can imagine them bouncing for, unless there is something they don't like in Mailman headers. If anyone has any clues I'd be most grateful. A lot of our customers unfortunately use these abominable hotmail things. The return mail header looks like this: ************************************************************* >From list-admin at mydomain.com Tue Feb 11 12:46:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: me at mydomain.com Received: from mailhost.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85377F69F1 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:46:02 +1100 (EST) Delivered-To: list-admin at mydomain.com Received: from mc7-s14.law1.hotmail.com (unknown [65.54.251.154]) by mailhost.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289E3F69F1 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:45:38 +1100 (EST) From: postmaster at mail.hotmail.com To: list-admin at mydomain.com Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:44:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="9B095B5ADSN=_01C2D1391201A6C7000BD9E6mc7?s14.law1.hot" Message-ID: Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) Sender: list-owner at mydomain.com Errors-To: list-owner at mydomain.com X-BeenThere: list at mydomain.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Changes to the Website List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=3.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: * Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 29029 This is a MIME-formatted message. Portions of this message may be unreadable without a MIME-capable mail program. --9B095B5ADSN=_01C2D1391201A6C7000BD9E6mc7?s14.law1.hot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unicode-1-1-utf-7 This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Delivery to the following recipients failed. foo at hotmail.com bar at hotmail.com etc........ snipped..... --9B095B5ADSN=_01C2D1391201A6C7000BD9E6mc7?s14.law1.hot Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns;mc7-s14.law1.hotmail.com Received-From-MTA: dns;mc7-f33.law1.hotmail.com Arrival-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:44:33 -0800 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;foo at hotmail.com Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 etc.... ************************************************************** David. From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Thu Feb 13 08:51:58 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:51:58 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cc: to cc: weirdness References: <20030210173154.A29957@smartmonkey.org> Message-ID: <3E4B4E9E.1070308@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, I think this patch will work. https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=685788&group_id=103&atid=300103 Cc-ing mailman-developers. Erik S.E. Walum wrote: > We've recently upgraded to Mailman2.1 and have noticed that Mailman is > now changing our Cc: headers and doing some RFC 2822 non-compliant > business with them. The original header might be: > > Cc: someuser at dom.ain, otheruser at dom.ain, lastuser at dom.ain > > when the message comes through to the list, the header has been altered > to: > > cc: someuser at dom.ain > cc: otheruser at dom.ain > cc: lastuser at dom.ain > > Can anyone help me out? -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From clay at dawning.com.cn Thu Feb 13 09:07:14 2003 From: clay at dawning.com.cn (Isaac Claymore) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:07:14 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with using Chinese(gb2312) under mailman 2.1.1 Message-ID: <20030213080714.GA7199@dawning.com.cn> Hi folks, I've being running several lists under mailman 2.0.12 for over a year, and never met any problem with Chinese(gb2312) characters in any part of lists emails. Recently mailman 2.1.1 was released with better multilingual support, so I decided to test it on a fresh box without any previous mailman setting. Very soon I came across two problems with a newly created test list: 1. according to README-I18N.en which came with the sources, Simplified Chinese(i.e. gb2312) is supported OUT-OF-THE BOX. In the web interface: mailman/admin/test/language --> "Languages supported by this list", I found 17 options, but neither Simplified Chinese nor Traditional Chinese was among them; 2. Whenever emails with gb2312 characters in their subjects are sent to the test list: Feb 13 15:08:21 2003 (9216) Uncaught runner exception: unknown encoding Feb 13 15:08:21 2003 (9216) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 75, in process prefix_subject(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 262, in prefix_subject h.append(s, c) File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 243, in append s = s.encode(outcodec) LookupError: unknown encoding But we don't have any problem with this under mailman 2.0.12... My mm_cfg.py is: DEFAULT_CHARSET = 'gb2312' VERBATIM_ENCODING = ['gb2312', 'iso-2022-jp'] Did I miss anything? Any hint or help is greatly appreciated ;) -- Isaac Claymore /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Dawning Inc. \ / Respect for open standards Beijing, China X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.dawning.com.cn / \ No M$ Word docs in email From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Thu Feb 13 09:14:22 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:14:22 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with using Chinese(gb2312) under mailman 2.1.1 References: <20030213080714.GA7199@dawning.com.cn> Message-ID: <3E4B53DE.9040000@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> You should install Chinese codecs. It was once on SourceForge but now I can't find it. Isaac Claymore wrote: > Hi folks, I've being running several lists under mailman 2.0.12 for > over a year, and never met any problem with Chinese(gb2312) characters > in any part of lists emails. > > Recently mailman 2.1.1 was released with better multilingual support, > so I decided to test it on a fresh box without any previous mailman > setting. > > Very soon I came across two problems with a newly created test list: > > 1. according to README-I18N.en which came with the sources, Simplified > Chinese(i.e. gb2312) is supported OUT-OF-THE BOX. In the web interface: > mailman/admin/test/language --> "Languages supported by this list", I > found 17 options, but neither Simplified Chinese nor Traditional > Chinese was among them; > 2. Whenever emails with gb2312 characters in their subjects are sent > to the test list: > > Feb 13 15:08:21 2003 (9216) Uncaught runner exception: unknown > encoding > Feb 13 15:08:21 2003 (9216) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in > _oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in > _onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, > in _dispose > more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, > in _dopipeline > sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 75, > in process > prefix_subject(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 262, > in prefix_subject > h.append(s, c) > File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 243, in > append > s = s.encode(outcodec) > LookupError: unknown encoding > > But we don't have any problem with this under mailman 2.0.12... > > My mm_cfg.py is: > > DEFAULT_CHARSET = 'gb2312' > VERBATIM_ENCODING = ['gb2312', 'iso-2022-jp'] > > Did I miss anything? > > Any hint or help is greatly appreciated ;) > -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Thu Feb 13 13:07:57 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:07:57 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Illegal email address comma in email address References: <00bf01c2d316$ad69ab80$6601a8c0@archie> Message-ID: <3E4B8A9D.9050709@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> How about using bin/withlist ? % python -i bin/withlist mylist >>> m.Lock() >>> del m.members['na,me at mailinglist.com'] >>> m.Save() >>> ^D cary wrote: > Yeah gave that a try with no success. Zdoes anyone know how I can > manually edit my lists email addresses? > > Thanks, > > Cary. > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: mailman-users-bounces+cary=dotaku.com at python.org >>[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+cary=dotaku.com at python.org] On >>Behalf Of Glenn Sieb >>Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 6:02 AM >>To: mailman-users at python.org >>Subject: [spam] Re: [Mailman-Users] Illegal email address >>comma in email address >> >> >>cary said: >> >>>One of my mailing lists has a single email address formatted like so >>> >>> na,me at mailinglist.com >> >>hmm did you try escaping the ,: >> >>na\,me at mailinglist.com >> >>Glenn >>--- > -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From graham_lillico at hotmail.com Thu Feb 13 13:13:02 2003 From: graham_lillico at hotmail.com (Graham Lillico) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:13:02 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive link url is incorrect. Message-ID: Hi I have just upgraded to 2.1 and managed to move my lists over to the new machine. I have however hit a problem. The link on the mailing list info page for the Archive is pointing to the wrong address. It should point to "www.client.org/pipermail/" but it is pointing to "snoopy.mydomain.com/pipermail/". The machine that runs the lists accepts email for multiple domains using qmail. I set up the list using "newlist @www.client.org" and then went into the admin screen and changed the hostname from "www.client.org" to "client.org". All the other links seem to be using the correct url. Does anyone know how this can be changed? It worked find in 2.0, by changing the "base url". Regards Graham _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons http://messenger.msn.co.uk From ivanlan at pauahtun.org Thu Feb 13 14:12:50 2003 From: ivanlan at pauahtun.org (Ivan Van Laningham) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 06:12:50 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] hotmail bouncing References: Message-ID: <3E4B99D2.5A146E1@pauahtun.org> Hi All-- David wrote: > > I've been running an announce only list for a couple of months. Hotmail > has bounced everything from the last two posts. It's pretty vanilla > stuff... some text and some url's. Nothing I can imagine them bouncing > for, unless there is something they don't like in Mailman headers. > > If anyone has any clues I'd be most grateful. A lot of our customers > unfortunately use these abominable hotmail things. > I have no answers, but I'd like them too;-) I don't seem to get as many as David gets, but every now and then hotmail will puke on half (half!) my subscribers. I think the last time was about two months ago. Metta, Ivan ---------------------------------------------- Ivan Van Laningham God N Locomotive Works http://www.pauahtun.org/ http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours From graham_lillico at hotmail.com Thu Feb 13 15:35:35 2003 From: graham_lillico at hotmail.com (Graham Lillico) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:35:35 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive link url is incorrect. Message-ID: OK I have tried that, and it doesn't work. It changed all the other urls apart from the one that I want changed, which stays as "snoopy.mydomain.com/pipermail/". Graham >Try using ~mailman/bin/fix_url.py. There are examples in the file on >how to use it. > >Changing the url in 2.1 is much harder than in 2.0. The change was >intentional - to keep folks from shooting themselves in the foot >(changing the url spuriously and then never being able to fix it since >they only have web access). > >Jon Carnes > > >On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 07:13, Graham Lillico wrote: > > Hi > > > > I have just upgraded to 2.1 and managed to move my lists over to the new > > machine. I have however hit a problem. The link on the mailing list >info > > page for the Archive is pointing to the wrong address. It should point >to > > "www.client.org/pipermail/" but it is pointing to > > "snoopy.mydomain.com/pipermail/". The machine that runs the >lists > > accepts email for multiple domains using qmail. > > > > I set up the list using "newlist @www.client.org" and then >went > > into the admin screen and changed the hostname from "www.client.org" to > > "client.org". All the other links seem to be using the correct url. > > > > Does anyone know how this can be changed? It worked find in 2.0, by > > changing the "base url". _________________________________________________________________ Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8, you can filter it out http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=32&DI=1059 From dahlbyg at wdm.k12.ia.us Thu Feb 13 01:20:18 2003 From: dahlbyg at wdm.k12.ia.us (Gordon Dahlby) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 18:20:18 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] IGNORE::>Sendmail issues with mailman Message-ID: <011301c2d2f5$b09f5e10$9c0fddcd@WESTG9M5LAC9NP> I visited FAQ and believe I missed the step of copying the items from create new list to the alias file. Sorry to bother you. Thanks the all your work on this application, GKD I have had issues with my sendmail being an open relay, so I have tighten down security. While I know this is not your organizations responsibility, I was wondering if anyone else had ideas. The maillist is being treated as a send mail user and my Sendmail is rejecting it as the "user" is not known. Any thoughts? {Thank you in advance for your time.} The following recipient(s) could not be reached: 'test4-request at media01.wdm.k12.ia.us' on 2/12/2003 3:08 PM 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown Gordon K. Dahlby Director of Curriculum and Technology West Des Moines Community Schools, West Des Moines, IA 50265 ISTE SIG Technology Coordinators, Past-President (listserv sigtc at discussion.iste.org) dahlbyg at wdm.k12.ia.us 515.226.2686 515.226.2669(fax) http://www.iste.org/sigtc/ From dahlbyg at wdm.k12.ia.us Wed Feb 12 22:22:16 2003 From: dahlbyg at wdm.k12.ia.us (Gordon Dahlby) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:22:16 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail issues with mailman Message-ID: <010c01c2d2dc$d17837b0$9c0fddcd@WESTG9M5LAC9NP> I have had issues with my sendmail being an open relay, so I have tighten down security. While I know this is not your organizations responsibility, I was wondering if anyone else had ideas. The maillist is being treated as a send mail user and my Sendmail is rejecting it as the "user" is not known. Any thoughts? {Thank you in advance for your time.} The following recipient(s) could not be reached: 'test4-request at media01.wdm.k12.ia.us' on 2/12/2003 3:08 PM 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown Gordon K. Dahlby Director of Curriculum and Technology West Des Moines Community Schools, West Des Moines, IA 50265 ISTE SIG Technology Coordinators, Past-President (listserv sigtc at discussion.iste.org) dahlbyg at wdm.k12.ia.us 515.226.2686 515.226.2669(fax) http://www.iste.org/sigtc/ From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Feb 13 16:28:41 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 13 Feb 2003 10:28:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] hotmail bouncing In-Reply-To: <3E4B99D2.5A146E1@pauahtun.org> References: <3E4B99D2.5A146E1@pauahtun.org> Message-ID: <1045150125.1614.21.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Some folks on the list have hypothesized that this is due to some spam rules setup on hotmail servers (but not consistent across all their servers). Try modifying SMTP_MAX_RCPTS (in the file mm_cfg.py): # Ceiling on the number of recipients that can be specified # in a single SMTP transaction. Set to 0 to submit the # entire recipient list in one transaction. Only used with # the SMTPDirect DELIVERY_MODULE. # SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500 SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 5 If that works, please let us know. On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 08:12, Ivan Van Laningham wrote: > Hi All-- > > David wrote: > > > > I've been running an announce only list for a couple of months. Hotmail > > has bounced everything from the last two posts. It's pretty vanilla > > stuff... some text and some url's. Nothing I can imagine them bouncing > > for, unless there is something they don't like in Mailman headers. > > > > If anyone has any clues I'd be most grateful. A lot of our customers > > unfortunately use these abominable hotmail things. > > > > I have no answers, but I'd like them too;-) I don't seem to get as many > as David gets, but every now and then hotmail will puke on half (half!) > my subscribers. I think the last time was about two months ago. > > Metta, > Ivan > ---------------------------------------------- > Ivan Van Laningham > God N Locomotive Works > http://www.pauahtun.org/ > http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html > Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 > Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From maxsophie at earthlink.net Wed Feb 12 16:34:42 2003 From: maxsophie at earthlink.net (Una Song) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:34:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] deleting mailing lists Message-ID: <00d701c2d2ac$44e28920$3801a8c0@t5s3b4> i am a user of mailman and i have been adiminstering a couple of mailing lists. i needed to delete one of them however, people are still trying to post to that list. i tried to post to that list to see what happens and i did not get any kind of notification that the list is no longer in existence. what happens to e-mails being posted to lists that have been deleted? una song From maxsophie at earthlink.net Wed Feb 12 16:49:35 2003 From: maxsophie at earthlink.net (Una Song) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:49:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: deleting mailing lists Message-ID: <010201c2d2ae$5862af00$3801a8c0@t5s3b4> i just found out that messages are still being posted to a mailing list that i deleted last friday. how do i stop this? ----- Original Message ----- From: Una Song To: mailman-users at python.org ; Risa Morimoto Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:34 AM Subject: deleting mailing lists i am a user of mailman and i have been adiminstering a couple of mailing lists. i needed to delete one of them however, people are still trying to post to that list. i tried to post to that list to see what happens and i did not get any kind of notification that the list is no longer in existence. what happens to e-mails being posted to lists that have been deleted? una song From lists at vo.cnchost.com Wed Feb 12 21:36:01 2003 From: lists at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:36:01 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella List Spam Protection In-Reply-To: <009701c2d28f$e020d6c0$6401a8c0@p3> References: <009701c2d28f$e020d6c0$6401a8c0@p3> Message-ID: <3E4AB031.8070407@vo.cnchost.com> Links at Momsview wrote: > I currently have a VERY large ( >100k) announce only list (always > moderated) running mailman 2.1 under Postfix. > > For performance reasons I'm considering splitting this list into 26 sublists > based on the first letter of each subscriber email. > I would then use an umbrella list to send to all of the sublists at once. > > As I understand it, unless I want to separately approve the message for the > 26 sublists I need to allow at least one email address to post unmoderated > on ALL of the sublists. This is very scary since spammers currently try to > post on my current large list almost daily. Before you go down this road, be sure you have done everything possible in terms of selecting and configuring your outgoing mail server to handle the volume. I suspect that handling the outgoing volume will be easier and more effective when you direct your attention towards your mail server, than setting up sublists on the list server. FAQ entry 1.15 has more on this topic, and directs you to related topics: HTH jc From root at smartmonkey.org Wed Feb 12 22:09:02 2003 From: root at smartmonkey.org (Erik S.E. Walum) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:09:02 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail header weirdness, please respond. Message-ID: <20030212130902.A8292@smartmonkey.org> Since our upgrade to MM2.1, the Cc: field of messages sent to the list, if it has addresses in it, is altered to multiple cc: headers. For example, Cc: user at dom.ain, user2 at dom.ain, user3 at dom.ain when expanded and resent by mailman becomes, on seperate lines: cc: user at dom.ain cc: user2 at dom.ain cc: user3 at dom.ain Is it possible that this is expected behavior? Is there a reason for this? Is it a configuration issue on my part? FWIW, I'm running Mailman2.1 on Solaris 6 with Exim 3.36. Thanks in advance. -- Erik Walum personal work 503.780.7492 From Julie.Parison at jcu.edu.au Thu Feb 13 02:21:54 2003 From: Julie.Parison at jcu.edu.au (Julie Parison) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 11:21:54 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cancellation of a mail list? Message-ID: <3E4AF332.F4300085@jcu.edu.au> Hi, I would like to cancel a mail list. "PHCRED-QLD" Could you please let me know the procedure? Thanks Julie Parison, School of Medicine, James Cook University Extn. 5629 From Jeff.Salisbury at Independent401kAdvisors.com Thu Feb 13 15:38:50 2003 From: Jeff.Salisbury at Independent401kAdvisors.com (Jeff Salisbury) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:38:50 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin requests & commands via email like majordomo? Message-ID: <3E4BADFA.9020109@Independent401kAdvisors.com> Greetings, Does Mailman support administrative requests and commands like majordomo? For example -- can I as an administrator subscribe someone via email instead of using the web interface? Regards, Jeff, a long time Majordomo user who recently saw the Mailman light... From cary at dotaku.com Thu Feb 13 16:38:16 2003 From: cary at dotaku.com (cary) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:38:16 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Illegal email address comma in email address In-Reply-To: <3E4B8A9D.9050709@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <001e01c2d375$f1b572b0$6601a8c0@archie> Yup .. That did it. Thank you so much for the help! Cary > -----Original Message----- > From: Tokio Kikuchi [mailto:tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp] > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 8:08 PM > To: cary > Cc: 'Glenn Sieb'; mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [spam] Re: [Mailman-Users] Illegal email address > comma in email address > > How about using bin/withlist ? > > % python -i bin/withlist mylist > >>> m.Lock() > >>> del m.members['na,me at mailinglist.com'] > >>> m.Save() > >>> ^D > > > > cary wrote: > > Yeah gave that a try with no success. Zdoes anyone know how I can > > manually edit my lists email addresses? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Cary. > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: mailman-users-bounces+cary=dotaku.com at python.org > >>[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+cary=dotaku.com at python.org] On > >>Behalf Of Glenn Sieb > >>Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 6:02 AM > >>To: mailman-users at python.org > >>Subject: [spam] Re: [Mailman-Users] Illegal email address > >>comma in email address > >> > >> > >>cary said: > >> > >>>One of my mailing lists has a single email address > formatted like so > >>> > >>> na,me at mailinglist.com > >> > >>hmm did you try escaping the ,: > >> > >>na\,me at mailinglist.com > >> > >>Glenn > >>--- > From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Feb 13 17:34:07 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 13 Feb 2003 11:34:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive link url is incorrect. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1045154051.1610.26.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Hmmm not sure why that didn't do the trick. If this is just the Listinfo page, you can edit it via the webadmin and simply put in the proper address. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 09:35, Graham Lillico wrote: > OK I have tried that, and it doesn't work. It changed all the other urls > apart from the one that I want changed, which stays as > "snoopy.mydomain.com/pipermail/". > > Graham > > >Try using ~mailman/bin/fix_url.py. There are examples in the file on > >how to use it. > > > >Changing the url in 2.1 is much harder than in 2.0. The change was > >intentional - to keep folks from shooting themselves in the foot > >(changing the url spuriously and then never being able to fix it since > >they only have web access). > > > >Jon Carnes > > > > > >On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 07:13, Graham Lillico wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > I have just upgraded to 2.1 and managed to move my lists over to the new > > > machine. I have however hit a problem. The link on the mailing list > >info > > > page for the Archive is pointing to the wrong address. It should point > >to > > > "www.client.org/pipermail/" but it is pointing to > > > "snoopy.mydomain.com/pipermail/". The machine that runs the > >lists > > > accepts email for multiple domains using qmail. > > > > > > I set up the list using "newlist @www.client.org" and then > >went > > > into the admin screen and changed the hostname from "www.client.org" to > > > "client.org". All the other links seem to be using the correct url. > > > > > > Does anyone know how this can be changed? It worked find in 2.0, by > > > changing the "base url". > > _________________________________________________________________ > Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8, you can filter it out > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=32&DI=1059 > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From graham_lillico at hotmail.com Thu Feb 13 18:45:10 2003 From: graham_lillico at hotmail.com (Graham Lillico) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:45:10 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive link url is incorrect. Message-ID: I have managed to fix it. It turned out that I needed to put single quotes round the domains in the add_virtualhost line. i,e, add_virtualhost('www.client.org', 'client.org') and then running the fix_url did the trick. Thanks for the help. Graham >Hmmm not sure why that didn't do the trick. > >If this is just the Listinfo page, you can edit it via the webadmin and >simply put in the proper address. > >Good Luck - Jon Carnes > >On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 09:35, Graham Lillico wrote: > > OK I have tried that, and it doesn't work. It changed all the other urls > > apart from the one that I want changed, which stays as > > "snoopy.mydomain.com/pipermail/". > > > > Graham > > > > >Try using ~mailman/bin/fix_url.py. There are examples in the file on > > >how to use it. > > > > > >Changing the url in 2.1 is much harder than in 2.0. The change was > > >intentional - to keep folks from shooting themselves in the foot > > >(changing the url spuriously and then never being able to fix it since > > >they only have web access). > > > > > >Jon Carnes _________________________________________________________________ Surf together with new Shared Browsing http://join.msn.com/?page=features/browse&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=74&DI=1059 From Tspeight at rockygorge.com Thu Feb 13 20:16:55 2003 From: Tspeight at rockygorge.com (Tspeight at rockygorge.com) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 11:16:55 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Possible bug with confirmation string & excessive bounces Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030213111218.03bb13c0@travelhacker.net> On 14 January 2003, I received the following message: "Your membership in the mailing list Mailman-Users has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 14-Jan-2003." On 13 February 2003, I received the following message: "Your membership in the mailing list Mailman-Users has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 14-Jan-2003." The confirmation sting that was sent on both times follows. 37037b7a051f71a816e27e8e0b9ba82aaf107f7b Each time that I used the link I received the message below. Bad confirmation string Invalid confirmation string: 37037b7a051f71a816e27e8e0b9ba82aaf107f7b. Note that confirmation strings expire approximately 3 days after the initial subscription request. If your confirmation has expired, please try to re-submit your subscription. Otherwise, re-enter your confirmation string. The confirmation string has been invalid each time! Further on one of my lists a member received a confirmation string but his account was okay. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? Thomas From jero at i2.com.br Thu Feb 13 20:25:26 2003 From: jero at i2.com.br (Jeronimo de A Barros) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:25:26 -0200 (BRST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] checkdbs error Message-ID: Hi... Crontab is returning this error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "cron/checkdbs", line 136, in ? main() File "cron/checkdbs", line 80, in main text += '\n' + pending_requests(mlist) File "cron/checkdbs", line 123, in pending_requests text = NL.join(pending) UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) Any help ? Any hint ? We are using Mailman 2.1.1 and Python 2.2.2. Thanks in advance. []s, Jero From mailman at pferris.com Thu Feb 13 21:21:58 2003 From: mailman at pferris.com (Mailman) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:21:58 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Subscriber List Evaporated! HEEELLLPPP! Message-ID: Hi, I'm hoping someone can help. My web hosting provider offers Mailman as their list software of choice, and as a Python neophyte, I think it's a good choice. :-) Problem is this: They recently migrated to another server. Right before this migration, I made a "complete" backup via the Cpanel X interface. So now you know where this is heading... Yesterday, I tried to send a message to the list and could not! The mail bounced. I just send a test message a moment ago, here's what I got: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim). A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: pipe to |/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper post statesvillespoiler_pferris.com generated by StatesvilleSpoiler at pferris.com Child process of virtual_address_pipe transport returned 1 from command: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper The following text was generated during the delivery attempt: ------ pipe to |/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper post statesvillespoiler_pferris.com generated by StatesvilleSpoiler at pferris.com ------ Mailman error: post got bad listname: statesvillespoiler_pferris.com ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ Quoth The Raven, "'Tis only a test, and nothing more!" *Please delete this message!* =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Sooo, can someone shed some light on what's going on?! It appears as it my WHP (Web Host Provider) mailer "knows" this is a mailman list (note the "pipe to |/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper post statesvillespoiler_pferris.com" -- why would it go to any Mailman directory if the list didn't exist, and not instead bounce as "unknown recipient" or whatever?!). YET, it's obviously having problems! The Control Panel (Cpanel X) --> Mail Manager --> Mailing List Maintenance says "There are currently no active mailing lists." for me. Notice the word "active"? What does that mean, vis-?-vis a dormant list?!). I had nearly 700 subscribers. I don't want to rebuild the list (and possibly clobber any chance of saving the old one). Questions: 1) Any chance at all of resurrecting the list? 2) I've corresponded with my WHP admin, he's ready and willing to help, but neither of us knows WHERE mailman keeps my list, what it's called and WHY Mailman suddenly isn't seeing it (remember, this was a server migration - that may or may not have anything to do with the problem!). 3) What are the odds that there's a current subscriber list in my recent backup? Where would it be? Note this "backup" seems to backup my FTP area files, and very few 'system' files, so if it's in "/usr/local/somewhere...", I'm probably doomed, but perhaps my admin can find it in his backup. He's willing to look if I can give him a clue where to look! 4) What can do to help? 5) What can my admin do to help? I have a subscriber list backup, as a TEXT file. Alas, it's about 6 months old, so I'll be loosing a fair number of subscribers (ones that have since UNsubscribed for whatever reason, and I'll lose those that have subscribed after the backup was made. Something's better than nothing, I guess. I HOPE this isn't my only option!) Please "cc" any replies to: mailman at pferris.com **** THANKS EVER SO MUCH! **** --Pete From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Feb 14 00:16:28 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:16:28 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Subscriber List Evaporated! HEEELLLPPP! References: Message-ID: <000901c2d3b5$f09f2ca0$1501a8c0@anncons2> You should take this to the Admins of the ISP. It looks like they moved the aliases but did not create the Mailman lists. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mailman" To: Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 2:21 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Subscriber List Evaporated! HEEELLLPPP! > Hi, > > I'm hoping someone can help. My web hosting provider offers Mailman as > their list software of choice, and as a Python neophyte, I think it's a good > choice. :-) > > Problem is this: They recently migrated to another server. Right before > this migration, I made a "complete" backup via the Cpanel X interface. So > now you know where this is heading... > > Yesterday, I tried to send a message to the list and could not! The mail > bounced. I just send a test message a moment ago, here's what I got: > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim). > > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: > > pipe to |/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper post > statesvillespoiler_pferris.com > generated by StatesvilleSpoiler at pferris.com > Child process of virtual_address_pipe transport returned 1 from command: > /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper > > The following text was generated during the delivery attempt: > > ------ pipe to |/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper post > statesvillespoiler_pferris.com > generated by StatesvilleSpoiler at pferris.com ------ > > Mailman error: post got bad listname: statesvillespoiler_pferris.com > > ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ > > > > Quoth The Raven, "'Tis only a test, and nothing more!" > > > *Please delete this message!* > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > Sooo, can someone shed some light on what's going on?! It appears as it my > WHP (Web Host Provider) mailer "knows" this is a mailman list (note the > "pipe to |/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper post > statesvillespoiler_pferris.com" -- why would it go to any Mailman directory > if the list didn't exist, and not instead bounce as "unknown recipient" or > whatever?!). YET, it's obviously having problems! The Control Panel > (Cpanel X) --> Mail Manager --> Mailing List Maintenance says "There are > currently no active mailing lists." for me. Notice the word "active"? What > does that mean, vis-?-vis a dormant list?!). I had nearly 700 subscribers. > I don't want to rebuild the list (and possibly clobber any chance of saving > the old one). > > Questions: > 1) Any chance at all of resurrecting the list? > 2) I've corresponded with my WHP admin, he's ready and willing to help, but > neither of us knows WHERE mailman keeps my list, what it's called and WHY > Mailman suddenly isn't seeing it (remember, this was a server migration - > that may or may not have anything to do with the problem!). > 3) What are the odds that there's a current subscriber list in my recent > backup? Where would it be? Note this "backup" seems to backup my FTP area > files, and very few 'system' files, so if it's in "/usr/local/somewhere...", > I'm probably doomed, but perhaps my admin can find it in his backup. He's > willing to look if I can give him a clue where to look! > 4) What can do to help? > 5) What can my admin do to help? > > I have a subscriber list backup, as a TEXT file. Alas, it's about 6 months > old, so I'll be loosing a fair number of subscribers (ones that have since > UNsubscribed for whatever reason, and I'll lose those that have subscribed > after the backup was made. Something's better than nothing, I guess. I > HOPE this isn't my only option!) > > Please "cc" any replies to: mailman at pferris.com > > **** THANKS EVER SO MUCH! **** > > --Pete > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From debian at firman.us Fri Feb 14 05:42:44 2003 From: debian at firman.us (Andy Firman) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 19:42:44 -0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] plain text vs html email (no footers in html email) Message-ID: <200302131942.44703.debian@firman.us> Couple of quick questions to the Mailman gurus. And I apologize in advance if this is not appropriate for this list. 1. Did my first newsletter post to a 5,000 member list today. The boss said it HAS to be html and all nice and pretty. So off it went. But the footers were not present. Could not see them. Do I have to manually insert the footers into the html email we make? 2. I am not an html email person and this may be way OT but how do you make any .jpg files go into the email in an embedded fashion? I couldn't figure it out and used : 3. Now my archives are active and the first newsletter post is all html code. How can I fix that? Do I manually have to put each newsletter in there as a real html page? 4. Is there an FAQ for setting up Mailman in newsletter style? I just did it on my own but would like to "polish" it up a bit if I can by reading more about how to set it up the right way. 5. If anyone is doing this sort of thing and has any tips for html type mailman newsletter lists...please send tips to me offline if you could. (or online if its relevant to this list) debian at firman.us Thanks, Andy From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Fri Feb 14 10:49:41 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 01:49:41 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: plain text vs html email (no footers in html email) In-Reply-To: <200302131942.44703.debian@firman.us> References: <200302131942.44703.debian@firman.us> Message-ID: <20030214094941.GB29397@hq.newdream.net> On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 07:42:44PM -0900, Andy Firman wrote: > > Couple of quick questions to the Mailman gurus. > And I apologize in advance if this is not appropriate for this list. I think almost all of your problems will be fixed if you upgrade to Mailman v 2.1.1. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") From ivaldes at hal-pc.org Fri Feb 14 15:01:31 2003 From: ivaldes at hal-pc.org (Ignacio Valdes) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:01:31 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Biographic data on subscription? Message-ID: <3E4CF6BB.3070809@hal-pc.org> Since I didn't get a reply to my somewhat turgid previous question, I'll ask it again more simply: Is there a way to obtain user-entered biographic data on subscription that is web-accessible to the list admin? Thanks, -- IV From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Fri Feb 14 17:00:20 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:00:20 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Biographic data on subscription? In-Reply-To: <3E4CF6BB.3070809@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030214154214.0543f8b8@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 14:01 14/02/2003, Ignacio Valdes wrote: >Since I didn't get a reply to my somewhat turgid previous question, I'll >ask it again more simply: Is there a way to obtain user-entered biographic >data on subscription that is web-accessible to the list admin? Thanks, > >-- IV MM does not currently offer the ability to capture and store other than a minimum of information for each subscriber. All that is currently required for subscription is the subscriber e-mail address with the option of add the user's "real name". That's all the MM holds and all you can retrieve from MM Referring back to your previous post, you could, for instance, implement a subscription cgi script of your own and have that do the MM subscription on behalf of the user while having your script save in some database the extra information which MM does not want. You would probably want have some sort of synchronisation process between the externally held data and the MM subscription lists; for example, to delete subscriber related data if they leave the list. But doing this may be a problem if you have restricted privileges on the system concerned. As an aside you might need to consider legal aspects of data protection and privacy if you start gluing a database of info about users on the side of your MM subscription list; well you would have to think about this if you were going to operate the system in the EU or UK. At 04:44 13/02/2003, Ignacio Valdes wrote: >Hello all, > >We would like for subscribers to enter biographical information about >themselves prior to approval for subscription to a list. Can the new >Mailman 2.1.1 do this or be customized to do it? Can it run CGI scripts? >If so, how? I am running in an environment in which I am list >administrator, but do not have root access to the server, only web access. > >-- IV From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Feb 14 17:12:23 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 14 Feb 2003 11:12:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin requests & commands via email like majordomo? In-Reply-To: <3E4BADFA.9020109@Independent401kAdvisors.com> References: <3E4BADFA.9020109@Independent401kAdvisors.com> Message-ID: <1045239147.2436.1.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Mailman does support a great deal of "by mail" administration. Send a note to one of your lists "-request" address (or to this list: mailman-users-request at python.org); as the subject put HELP You will get back a list of email commands that work with Mailman. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 09:38, Jeff Salisbury wrote: > Greetings, > > Does Mailman support administrative requests and commands like > majordomo? For example -- can I as an administrator subscribe someone > via email instead of using the web interface? > > Regards, > > Jeff, a long time Majordomo user who recently saw the Mailman light... > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Feb 14 17:52:20 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 14 Feb 2003 11:52:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] plain text vs html email (no footers in html email) In-Reply-To: <200302131942.44703.debian@firman.us> References: <200302131942.44703.debian@firman.us> Message-ID: <1045241544.2440.14.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 23:42, Andy Firman wrote: > > Couple of quick questions to the Mailman gurus. > And I apologize in advance if this is not appropriate for this list. > > 1. Did my first newsletter post to a 5,000 member list today. > The boss said it HAS to be html and all nice and pretty. > > So off it went. But the footers were not present. Could not see them. > Do I have to manually insert the footers into the html email we make? What version of Mailman are you using? Version 2.1 was supposed to take care of this problem. If you are using version 2.0.x then you will have to include the footer as part of your html message. This isn't so much a Mailman problem as an MTU (email client) problem, but it is handled better by version 2.1 > > 2. I am not an html email person and this may be way OT but > how do you make any .jpg files go into the email in an embedded > fashion? I couldn't figure it out and used : > I think that is the best way of sending an image. Just my opinion. > > 3. Now my archives are active and the first newsletter post is all > html code. How can I fix that? Do I manually have to put each > newsletter in there as a real html page? > The archiver in Mailman is called Pipermail, and it is limited in what it can handle. You should consider using an external archiver like Mhonarc (which can handle html email). > 4. Is there an FAQ for setting up Mailman in newsletter style? > I just did it on my own but would like to "polish" it up a bit if I can > by reading more about how to set it up the right way. > Barry sent a nice note to the list just this week detailing how he would setup a list as a Newsletter. Feel free to write-up your experience and suggestions in our open forum FAQ. Take care - Jon Carnes From danielj at cheshirecat.net Fri Feb 14 18:21:12 2003 From: danielj at cheshirecat.net (Daniel A. Jacobs) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:21:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner Outgoing getting stuck? Message-ID: <004701c2d44d$7c412690$de02a8c0@BRAK> Running Python 2.2.2, Mailman 2.1.1, Sendmail. For all lists, messages make it to the archives, but get stuck in qfiles/out. If I run 'qrunner -r out -v' I get this: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main qrunner.run() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run filecnt = self._oneloop() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in _oneloop msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 151, in dequeue if data.has_key('rejection-notice'): AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'has_key' I can move files in and out of qfiles/out and run the queue manually, and some of them get run and some don't. I can't find any references to the above error. Any suggestions? Thank you, Daniel From friedrich28 at gmx.de Fri Feb 14 19:45:23 2003 From: friedrich28 at gmx.de (friedrich28 at gmx.de) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:45:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatically create/add/remove Message-ID: <3E4D4753.16299.CA6EF79@localhost> Hi there, I'd like to integrate mailman with another application running on the same server. It keeps track of some courses and their members. What I'd like to to is to add a mailing list with the same name as the course every time one of the admins creates a new course in the password protected admin interface. Whenever someone subscribes to this course, s/he should be added automatically to the list of subscribers on the corresponding list. When s/he is cancelled from the course, s/he should be removed. Is there a way to call the 'create' wrapper with parameters? There should be no user interaction necessary, the users shouldn't even notice that mailman is there and being used. Since creating a course is only possible in the password protected area, I don't want to ask them for a mailman admin password. I also can't use suEXEC. Thanks for you help, Friedrich From hchs at ns.sympatico.ca Fri Feb 14 23:23:31 2003 From: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca (Cody Harris) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:23:31 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation and Window Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030214182220.009ea450@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Is it possible to install mailman on a Windows 98 box? And where do i get python from? If there's installation instructions on your site, i must be missing them. lol. Thanks. Check out http://vectec.net for all your hosting needs From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 23:49:19 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 22:49:19 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation and Window In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030214182220.009ea450@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030214224238.03b0cdc0@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 22:23 14/02/2003, Cody Harris wrote: >Is it possible to install mailman on a Windows 98 box? And where do i get >python from? If there's installation instructions on your site, i must be >missing them. lol. Thanks. > >Check out http://vectec.net for all your hosting needs MM on Windows, probably not but see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=Windows&querytype=simple&casefold=yes&req=search Python see http://www.python.org/2.2.2/ or if you want to use Cygwin (http://www.cygwin.com), Python is available to run under that envrionment From esew at smartmonkey.org Fri Feb 14 23:12:51 2003 From: esew at smartmonkey.org (Erik S.E. Walum) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:12:51 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cc: to cc: weirdness In-Reply-To: <3E4B4E9E.1070308@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>; from tkikuchi@is.kochi-u.ac.jp on Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 04:51:58PM +0900 References: <20030210173154.A29957@smartmonkey.org> <3E4B4E9E.1070308@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20030214141251.B21536@smartmonkey.org> That worked! Thanks a lot for the help. Tokio Kikuchi uttered: > Hi, > > I think this patch will work. > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=685788&group_id=103&atid=300103 > > Cc-ing mailman-developers. > > Erik S.E. Walum wrote: > > We've recently upgraded to Mailman2.1 and have noticed that Mailman is > > now changing our Cc: headers and doing some RFC 2822 non-compliant > > business with them. The original header might be: > > > > Cc: someuser at dom.ain, otheruser at dom.ain, lastuser at dom.ain > > > > when the message comes through to the list, the header has been altered > > to: > > > > cc: someuser at dom.ain > > cc: otheruser at dom.ain > > cc: lastuser at dom.ain > > > > Can anyone help me out? > > > -- > Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp > http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ > -- Erik Walum personal work 503.780.7492 From hchs at ns.sympatico.ca Sat Feb 15 02:09:11 2003 From: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca (Cody Harris) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 21:09:11 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Alternatives Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030214210649.009e8810@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Does anyone know of a site that would give out Mailman? I like the looks of mailman and how it works, but i have a win32 box. If not, are there any other Win32 compatible mailing list software like Mailman? Thanks alot! Check out http://vectec.net for all your hosting needs From Jeff.Salisbury at Independent401kAdvisors.com Thu Feb 13 17:21:27 2003 From: Jeff.Salisbury at Independent401kAdvisors.com (Jeff Salisbury) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:21:27 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin requests & commands via email like majordomo? In-Reply-To: <3E4BC07E.7030107@mitre.org> References: <3E4BADFA.9020109@Independent401kAdvisors.com> <3E4BC07E.7030107@mitre.org> Message-ID: <3E4BC607.2070305@Independent401kAdvisors.com> Hi John, I've done this... Aren't the listed commands for the end-user and not the administrator? Jeff John DeCarlo wrote: > Jeff, > > Send an email to listname-request and put "help" in the subject or body. > > It will return the help for admin requests. > > Jeff Salisbury wrote: > >> Greetings, >> >> Does Mailman support administrative requests and commands like >> majordomo? For example -- can I as an administrator subscribe >> someone via email instead of using the web interface? >> >> Regards, >> >> Jeff, a long time Majordomo user who recently saw the Mailman light... > > > -- > John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own > > > From danielj at cheshirecat.net Fri Feb 14 18:18:27 2003 From: danielj at cheshirecat.net (Daniel A. Jacobs) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:18:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner Outgoing getting stuck? Message-ID: <004501c2d44d$1ad67db0$de02a8c0@BRAK> Running Python 2.2.2, Mailman 2.1.1, Sendmail. For all lists, messages make it to the archives, but get stuck in qfiles/out. If I run 'qrunner -r out -v' I get this: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main qrunner.run() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run filecnt = self._oneloop() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in _oneloop msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 151, in dequeue if data.has_key('rejection-notice'): AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'has_key' I can move files in and out of qfiles/out and run the queue manually, and some of them get run and some don't. I can't find any references to the above error. Any suggestions? Thank you, Daniel From janice at neteffect.ca Fri Feb 14 18:21:55 2003 From: janice at neteffect.ca (Janice Leong) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:21:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems unsubscribing people Message-ID: <002201c2d44d$928c1720$6207a8c0@Janice> I currently have several email addresses listed in the admin site that have single quotes around them. I would like to unsubscribe these members and subscribe them again using correct email addresses. Yet when I go to unsubscribe them, I get an "Error unsubscribing" message showing all the members from that page with "Not subscribed" written next to them. If I try to simply subscribe them using the proper email addresses, I get a "Successfully subscribed" message initially, but when I log out and go back into admin, their names are not there. Any reason why this would be and how I can resolve this problem? Janice Leong, Web Production Manager NetEffect Communications - www.neteffect.ca janice at neteffect.ca t. 416.350.8376 x 229 | f. 416.350.9661 366 Adelaide St. West, Unit 400, Toronto, ON M5V 1R9 From federico.nati at tiscalinet.it Fri Feb 14 20:12:50 2003 From: federico.nati at tiscalinet.it (Federico Nati) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 20:12:50 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help Message-ID: <20030214201250.43746451.federico.nati@tiscalinet.it> Hello, I followed each step described in INSTALL, but when i do /home/mailman/bin/newlist, after entering password I get: Traceback (most recent call last): File "./newlist", line 219, in ? main() File "./newlist", line 160, in main mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 440, in Create self.InitVars(name, admin, crypted_password) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 282, in InitVars self.web_page_url = ( TypeError: not all arguments converted Why? Thank you, Federico Nati. From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Sat Feb 15 04:53:00 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 22:53:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail issues with mailman In-Reply-To: <010c01c2d2dc$d17837b0$9c0fddcd@WESTG9M5LAC9NP>; from dahlbyg@wdm.k12.ia.us on Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 03:22:16PM -0600 References: <010c01c2d2dc$d17837b0$9c0fddcd@WESTG9M5LAC9NP> Message-ID: <20030214225259.A13927@dogpound.vnet.net> * Gordon Dahlby (dahlbyg at wdm.k12.ia.us) wrote: > The maillist is being treated as a send mail user and my Sendmail is > rejecting it as the "user" is not known. > > The following recipient(s) could not be reached: > > 'test4-request at media01.wdm.k12.ia.us' on 2/12/2003 3:08 PM > > 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown Make sure your sendmail aliases are setup correctly. When you create a list with the 'newlist' command, there will be printed to the screen a list of aliases to be added to your sendmail aliases. This is a section of my /etc/mailman.aliases ## test mailing list test: "|/home/mailman2/mail/mailman post test" test-admin: "|/home/mailman2/mail/mailman admin test" test-bounces: "|/home/mailman2/mail/mailman bounces test" test-confirm: "|/home/mailman2/mail/mailman confirm test" test-join: "|/home/mailman2/mail/mailman join test" test-leave: "|/home/mailman2/mail/mailman leave test" test-owner: "|/home/mailman2/mail/mailman owner test" test-request: "|/home/mailman2/mail/mailman request test" test-subscribe: "|/home/mailman2/mail/mailman subscribe test" test-unsubscribe: "|/home/mailman2/mail/mailman unsubscribe test" So I add all mailman aliases to that file and I add 'O AliasFile=/etc/mailman.aliases' to my sendmail.cf or 'alias_maps = hash:/etc/mailman.aliases' for postfix. But for postfix & mailman 2.1, alias_maps = hash:/home/mailman2/data/aliases would be smarter. See README.POSTFIX -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Q: All your responses must be oral, OK? What school did you go to? A: Oral. From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Sat Feb 15 05:01:01 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 23:01:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cancellation of a mail list? In-Reply-To: <3E4AF332.F4300085@jcu.edu.au>; from Julie.Parison@jcu.edu.au on Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 11:21:54AM +1000 References: <3E4AF332.F4300085@jcu.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030214230059.B13927@dogpound.vnet.net> Hi Julie, see answer below. * Julie Parison (Julie.Parison at jcu.edu.au) wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to cancel a mail list. > > "PHCRED-QLD" > > Could you please let me know the procedure? To completely remove a list 1. Run the rmlist command. # bin/rmlist -a list (NOTE: -a = Removes list archives) 2. Remove entries in the MTA alias file. 3. Make sure rmlist removed the list configuration & archives. (If told to do so). Config is stored in $prefix/list/$listname Archives stored in $prefix/archives/private/$listname and $prefix/archives/private/$listname.mbox If you do not have shell access, then contact the sysadmin to run these commands. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Two Wrights do not make a wrong. They make an airplane. From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Feb 15 05:06:16 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 14 Feb 2003 23:06:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin requests & commands via email like majordomo? In-Reply-To: <3E4BC607.2070305@Independent401kAdvisors.com> References: <3E4BADFA.9020109@Independent401kAdvisors.com> <3E4BC607.2070305@Independent401kAdvisors.com> Message-ID: <1045281980.1618.1.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Yes, but you can do some administrations via email... but Mailman is structured to do most of it via the web. Still it would be fairly easy to add that functionality into the code. Personally, I like using the web-based admin. On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 11:21, Jeff Salisbury wrote: > Hi John, > > I've done this... Aren't the listed commands for the end-user and not > the administrator? > > Jeff > > John DeCarlo wrote: > > > Jeff, > > > > Send an email to listname-request and put "help" in the subject or body. > > > > It will return the help for admin requests. > > > > Jeff Salisbury wrote: > > > >> Greetings, > >> > >> Does Mailman support administrative requests and commands like > >> majordomo? For example -- can I as an administrator subscribe > >> someone via email instead of using the web interface? > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Jeff, a long time Majordomo user who recently saw the Mailman light... > > > > > > -- > > John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Feb 15 05:12:09 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 14 Feb 2003 23:12:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatically create/add/remove In-Reply-To: <3E4D4753.16299.CA6EF79@localhost> References: <3E4D4753.16299.CA6EF79@localhost> Message-ID: <1045282333.1618.7.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> This could be done any number of ways. I think the easiest would be to script it. The key here is what sets off the script and where does it get its information. If you can have the "other" application do a dump of the necessary info into some temp space then you could have a cron job trigger the creation of the list and the addition of users. Even better would be to have the "other" application call the script with the info on the command line. If the "other" application uses a local database, then it would be a snap to setup and run. For help on writing the script you should explore the Mailman command lines that are available in ~mailman/bin/.. Let me know if you need any help (sounds like a fun project) - Jon Carnes On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 13:45, friedrich28 at gmx.de wrote: > Hi there, > > I'd like to integrate mailman with another application running on the > same server. It keeps track of some courses and their members. > > What I'd like to to is to add a mailing list with the same name as the > course every time one of the admins creates a new course in the > password protected admin interface. Whenever someone subscribes to > this course, s/he should be added automatically to the list of > subscribers on the corresponding list. When s/he is cancelled from the > course, s/he should be removed. > > Is there a way to call the 'create' wrapper with parameters? There > should be no user interaction necessary, the users shouldn't even > notice that mailman is there and being used. Since creating a course is > only possible in the password protected area, I don't want to ask them > for a mailman admin password. I also can't use suEXEC. > > Thanks for you help, > Friedrich > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Feb 15 05:15:17 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 14 Feb 2003 23:15:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help In-Reply-To: <20030214201250.43746451.federico.nati@tiscalinet.it> References: <20030214201250.43746451.federico.nati@tiscalinet.it> Message-ID: <1045282520.1618.10.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Just as a guess, check the settings in your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and Defaults.py files. Have you mucked with the settings for your URL's? Are they bogus or are they real? HtH - Jon Carnes On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 14:12, Federico Nati wrote: > Hello, > I followed each step described in INSTALL, but when i do > /home/mailman/bin/newlist, after entering password I get: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "./newlist", line 219, in ? > main() > File "./newlist", line 160, in main > mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 440, in Create > self.InitVars(name, admin, crypted_password) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 282, in InitVars > self.web_page_url = ( > TypeError: not all arguments converted > > Why? > > Thank you, Federico Nati. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Feb 15 05:21:36 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 14 Feb 2003 23:21:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Alternatives In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030214210649.009e8810@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030214210649.009e8810@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <1045282900.1610.17.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Check out www.nonags.com for a lot of freeware software (including some mailing list management apps). On the other hand, you could check out www.redhat.com and probably be a lot happier in the long run... :-). If you want to play on the internet, Windows works. If you want to work on the internet, then buy a Unix box or come on-board the Open Source revolution. Anyone is welcome to join. Jon Carnes On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 20:09, Cody Harris wrote: > Does anyone know of a site that would give out Mailman? I like the looks of > mailman and how it works, but i have a win32 box. If not, are there any > other Win32 compatible mailing list software like Mailman? Thanks alot! > > Check out http://vectec.net for all your hosting needs > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Sat Feb 15 05:24:17 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 23:24:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems unsubscribing people In-Reply-To: <002201c2d44d$928c1720$6207a8c0@Janice>; from janice@neteffect.ca on Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 12:21:55PM -0500 References: <002201c2d44d$928c1720$6207a8c0@Janice> Message-ID: <20030214232417.D13927@dogpound.vnet.net> * Janice Leong (janice at neteffect.ca) wrote: > I currently have several email addresses listed in the admin site that have > single quotes around them. I would like to unsubscribe these members and > subscribe them again using correct email addresses. Yet when I go to > unsubscribe them, I get an "Error unsubscribing" message showing all the > members from that page with "Not subscribed" written next to them. If I try > to simply subscribe them using the proper email addresses, I get a > "Successfully subscribed" message initially, but when I log out and go back > into admin, their names are not there. Any reason why this would be and how > I can resolve this problem? > Janice Leong, Web Production Manager Per a post just recently by Tokio Kikuchi, he said to try the withlist command. Thou his solution fixed comma's in the address. So using his technique... % python -i bin/withlist mylist >>> m.Lock() >>> del m.members['\'user\'@mailinglist.com'] >>> m.Save() >>> ^D Maybe...? I'm no python programmer. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Silence is more eloquent at times than words. From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Feb 15 05:30:17 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 14 Feb 2003 23:30:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems unsubscribing people In-Reply-To: <002201c2d44d$928c1720$6207a8c0@Janice> References: <002201c2d44d$928c1720$6207a8c0@Janice> Message-ID: <1045283420.1618.24.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Interesting... You need to unsubscribe the folks with the initial ' in front of their names. Try escaping the quote with a \ in front of it: ~mailman/bin/remove_members "\'neil at domain.com" If that doesn't work then use a small program using withlist to try and remove the bad email addresses. There was an example program sent just yesterday that did something very similar (and it worked). I'll wager that you can't add the user again since the address matches the one with the single quote in front - as the single quote would be ignored by the compare when Mailman does a search to see if the person is already subscribed. Good luck - Jon Carnes On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 12:21, Janice Leong wrote: > I currently have several email addresses listed in the admin site that have > single quotes around them. I would like to unsubscribe these members and > subscribe them again using correct email addresses. Yet when I go to > unsubscribe them, I get an "Error unsubscribing" message showing all the > members from that page with "Not subscribed" written next to them. If I try > to simply subscribe them using the proper email addresses, I get a > "Successfully subscribed" message initially, but when I log out and go back > into admin, their names are not there. Any reason why this would be and how > I can resolve this problem? > Janice Leong, Web Production Manager > > NetEffect Communications - www.neteffect.ca > > janice at neteffect.ca > t. 416.350.8376 x 229 | f. 416.350.9661 > 366 Adelaide St. West, Unit 400, Toronto, ON M5V 1R9 > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Feb 15 05:47:23 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 14 Feb 2003 23:47:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner Outgoing getting stuck? In-Reply-To: <004701c2d44d$7c412690$de02a8c0@BRAK> References: <004701c2d44d$7c412690$de02a8c0@BRAK> Message-ID: <1045284447.1610.31.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> I just peeked at the code, but just for a second (have to get to bed...) and I have a WAG. What is your DEFAULT_CHARSET set to in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (or Default.py)? Mine is: DEFAULT_CHARSET = None Hope its not a waste of time - Jon Carnes On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 12:21, Daniel A. Jacobs wrote: > Running Python 2.2.2, Mailman 2.1.1, Sendmail. > > For all lists, messages make it to the archives, but get stuck in > qfiles/out. If I run 'qrunner -r out -v' I get this: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? > main() > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main > qrunner.run() > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run > filecnt = self._oneloop() > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in _oneloop > msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 151, in dequeue > if data.has_key('rejection-notice'): > AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'has_key' > > > I can move files in and out of qfiles/out and run the queue manually, and > some of them get run and some don't. I can't find any references to the > above error. Any suggestions? > > Thank you, > > Daniel > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Sat Feb 15 11:53:35 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 19:53:35 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] checkdbs error References: Message-ID: <3E4E1C2F.3060005@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=683833&group_id=103 Jeronimo de A Barros wrote: > Hi... > > Crontab is returning this error: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "cron/checkdbs", line 136, in ? > main() > File "cron/checkdbs", line 80, in main > text += '\n' + pending_requests(mlist) > File "cron/checkdbs", line 123, in pending_requests > text = NL.join(pending) > UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) > > Any help ? Any hint ? We are using Mailman 2.1.1 and Python 2.2.2. > > Thanks in advance. > > []s, Jero > From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Sat Feb 15 12:08:19 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:08:19 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail header weirdness, please respond. References: <20030212130902.A8292@smartmonkey.org> Message-ID: <3E4E1FA3.4010708@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=685788&group_id=103&atid=300103 Erik S.E. Walum wrote: > Since our upgrade to MM2.1, the Cc: field of messages sent to the list, > if it has addresses in it, is altered to multiple cc: headers. For > example, Cc: user at dom.ain, user2 at dom.ain, user3 at dom.ain when expanded and > resent by mailman becomes, on seperate lines: > > cc: user at dom.ain > cc: user2 at dom.ain > cc: user3 at dom.ain > > Is it possible that this is expected behavior? Is there a reason for > this? Is it a configuration issue on my part? FWIW, I'm running > Mailman2.1 on Solaris 6 with Exim 3.36. > > Thanks in advance. From paul at fpen.org Sat Feb 15 12:38:02 2003 From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 05:38:02 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting addresses Message-ID: I like the way that mailman changes e-mail addresses so that they cannot be automatically harvested by spammers, but I am concerned by the fact that a lists entire archive can be downloaded. I want to have an open list but I am a bit uncomfortable with allowing the entire archive to be retrieved (with intact e-mail addresses) with a single click of the mouse. Has anyone created a patch to remove the downloadable versions? Am I just being paranoid? Paul -- Paul Kleeberg paul at fpen.org From paul at fpen.org Sat Feb 15 12:57:53 2003 From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 05:57:53 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Last Updated" in searchable archives not updating w/ 2.1.1 Message-ID: I have integrated RH8.0's htdig 3.2 with Mailman. I first installed in on a server with MM2.1 and then applied the same patches to MM2.1.1 to upgrade to the current version of Mailman. I now notice that on the list archive home pages where it states "Note: The archive search index was last rebuilt ..." that the date has not changed since the update. Lists created after the upgrade to 2.1.1 state: "The archive search index was last rebuilt at [has yet to be built for this new list]." Archives are being indexed but the date indicating when the archive was last search index is not. Has anyone else seen this? Paul -- Paul Kleeberg paul at fpen.org From mikael at pirio.org Sat Feb 15 13:43:18 2003 From: mikael at pirio.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mika=EBl?= PIRIO) Date: 15 Feb 2003 13:43:18 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Virtual Hosts? Message-ID: <1045313000.428.46.camel@eos> Hello, > What I have is a box, say box.example.com running the list server. I > have also setup apache with the mailman aliases for list.example.com, > lists.something.com, lists.somethingelse.com. > > I have this in my mm_cfg.py: > > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.example.com' > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.example.com' > add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) > MTA = 'Postfix' > POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['lists.example.com', > lists.something.com', ['lists.somethingelse.com'] It's POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['lists.example.com', 'lists.something.com', 'lists.somethingelse.com'] > What I want to do be able to create lists in these different domains > and have them completely separate, so, when you go to > http://lists.something.com/mailman/admin you only see lists for > something.com > > At the moment, I seem to be able to have multiple domains but they are > global, so http://lists.something.com/mailman/admin shows all lists. > The other problem is, when I create a list it sends out the "new list" > message with all the URL's as lists.example.com - is there no way to > get the "create list" web page to ask you the domain for the new list? Yes, i had the same pb (excuse for my bad english...). My Mailman works now. Add this in your mm_cfg.py : VIRTUAL_HOSTS = {'lists.example.com':'example.com', 'lists.something.com':'something.com', 'lists.somethingelse.com':'somethingelse.com'} VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 1 VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW is a var to confine list in a virtual host and not global VIRTUAL_HOSTS is use in the CGI script 'create' to set the var host_name in the list config : # Initialize the host_name and web_page_url attributes, based on # virtual hosting settings end the request environment variables hostname = Utils.get_domain() mlist.default_member_moderation = moderate mlist.web_page_url = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN % hostname mlist.host_name = mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOSTS.get( hostname, mm_cfg.DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) mlist.save() for example, in your config : hostname = Utils.get_domain() = lists.something.com mlist.host_name = mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOSTS.get( hostname, mm_config.DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) = VIRTUAL_HOSTS[hostname] if the map VIRTUAL_HOSTS is set in you mm_cfg.py = DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST if the key 'hostname' isn't find in the map VIRTUAL_HOSTS or if VIRTUAL_HOSTS isn't set. the last case (map not set) is your case... So add a correct VIRTUAL_HOSTS in your mm_cfg like the one i give you in this mail. bbye :) -- Mika?l, From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Sat Feb 15 13:50:06 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 12:50:06 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting addresses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030215122236.03aa5cf0@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 11:38 15/02/2003, Paul Kleeberg wrote: >I like the way that mailman changes e-mail addresses so that they cannot >be automatically harvested by spammers, but I am concerned by the fact >that a lists entire archive can be downloaded. I want to have an open >list but I am a bit uncomfortable with allowing the entire archive to be >retrieved (with intact e-mail addresses) with a single click of the mouse. > >Has anyone created a patch to remove the downloadable versions? Am I just >being paranoid? > >Paul >-- >Paul Kleeberg >paul at fpen.org I quick and simple non-patch fix is to put a rewrite rule into you web server's httpd.conf that rewrites the URI's of the files you are concerned about to a polite rejection page. That is what I've opted to do with RewriteRules like this: RewriteRule ^(/pipermail/[^/]+)/(pipermail\.pck|htdig(|/[^/]*)|.*\.(txt|txt\.gz))$ $1/unavailable.html [R] RewriteRule ^(/pipermail/[^/\.]+)\.mbox/ $1/unavailable.html [R] Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean people aren't picking on you. From paul at fpen.org Sat Feb 15 14:52:22 2003 From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 07:52:22 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting addresses In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030215122236.03aa5cf0@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030215122236.03aa5cf0@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: That seems to work in some but not all cases for me. Where can I find the grammar for the "/[^+" stuff so I can fiddle with it myself. Is there a URL? Remember, I am clueless - except for my paranoia... At 12:50 PM +0000 2/15/03, Richard Barrett wrote: >At 11:38 15/02/2003, Paul Kleeberg wrote: >>I like the way that mailman changes e-mail addresses so that they >>cannot be automatically harvested by spammers, but I am concerned >>by the fact that a lists entire archive can be downloaded. I want >>to have an open list but I am a bit uncomfortable with allowing the >>entire archive to be retrieved (with intact e-mail addresses) with >>a single click of the mouse. >> >>Has anyone created a patch to remove the downloadable versions? Am >>I just being paranoid? >> >>Paul >>-- >>Paul Kleeberg >>paul at fpen.org > >I quick and simple non-patch fix is to put a rewrite rule into you >web server's httpd.conf that rewrites the URI's of the files you are >concerned about to a polite rejection page. That is what I've opted >to do with RewriteRules like this: > >RewriteRule >^(/pipermail/[^/]+)/(pipermail\.pck|htdig(|/[^/]*)|.*\.(txt|txt\.gz))$ >$1/unavailable.html [R] >RewriteRule ^(/pipermail/[^/\.]+)\.mbox/ $1/unavailable.html [R] > > >Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean people aren't picking on you. -- Paul Kleeberg paul at fpen.org From danielj at cheshirecat.net Sat Feb 15 17:02:31 2003 From: danielj at cheshirecat.net (Daniel A. Jacobs) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:02:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner Outgoing getting stuck? In-Reply-To: <1045284447.1610.31.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <000b01c2d50b$a9270b20$de02a8c0@BRAK> DEFAULT_CHARSET = None is how mine is set. This is driving me crazy. Has no one else ever seen this error? > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] > > I just peeked at the code, but just for a second (have to get to bed...) > and I have a WAG. What is your DEFAULT_CHARSET set to in > ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (or Default.py)? Mine is: > DEFAULT_CHARSET = None > > Hope its not a waste of time - Jon Carnes > > On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 12:21, Daniel A. Jacobs wrote: > > Running Python 2.2.2, Mailman 2.1.1, Sendmail. > > > > For all lists, messages make it to the archives, but get stuck in > > qfiles/out. If I run 'qrunner -r out -v' I get this: > > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? > > main() > > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main > > qrunner.run() > > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run > > filecnt = self._oneloop() > > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in _oneloop > > msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) > > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 151, in > dequeue > > if data.has_key('rejection-notice'): > > AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'has_key' > > > > > > I can move files in and out of qfiles/out and run the queue manually, > and > > some of them get run and some don't. I can't find any references to the > > above error. Any suggestions? > > > > Thank you, > > > > Daniel > > From jbutler at ua.edu Sat Feb 15 17:21:07 2003 From: jbutler at ua.edu (Jeremy Butler) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 10:21:07 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicated Text Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030215101632.03c99978@bama.ua.edu> I recently installed Mailman 2.1.1 on my RedHat 8 system (using Sendmail). I find that the email command "help" returns a message with duplicated text in it (see below). Can anyone clue me in to what's happening here? Thanks! --Jeremy P.S. I searched the mailman-users archive, but couldn't find anything. >From: playlist-bounces at www.tcf.ua.edu >Subject: The results of your email commands >To: jbutler at ua.edu >Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:29:25 -0600 > >The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your >original message. > >- Results: > You can access your personal options via the following url: > > help > Help for Playlist mailing list: > >This is email command help for version 2.1.1 of the "Mailman" >list manager. The following describes commands you can send to get >information about and control your subscription to Mailman lists at >this site. A command can be in the subject line or in the body of the >message. > >Note that much of the following can also be accomplished via the World >Wide Web, at: > > http://www.tcf.ua.edu/mailman/listinfo/playlist > >In particular, you can use the Web site to have your password sent to >your delivery address. > >List specific commands (subscribe, who, etc) should be sent to the >*-request address for the particular list, e.g. for the 'mailman' >list, use 'mailman-request at ...'. > >About the descriptions - words in "<>"s signify REQUIRED items and >words in "[]" denote OPTIONAL items. Do not include the "<>"s or >"[]"s when you use the commands. > >The following commands are valid: > > > confirm > Confirm an action. The confirmation-string is required and should be > supplied with in mailback confirmation notice. > > end > Stop processing commands. Use this if your mail program > automatically > adds a signature file. > > help > Print this help message. > > info > Get information about this mailing list. > > lists > See a list of the public mailing lists on this GNU Mailman server. > > password [ ] [address=
] > Retrieve or change your password. With no arguments, this returns > your current password. With arguments and > > you can change your password. > > If you're posting from an address other than your membership address, > specify your membership address with `address=
' (no brackets > around the email address, and no quotes!). Note that in this > case the > response is always sent to the subscribed address. > > set ... > Set or view your membership options. > > Use `set help' (without the quotes) to get a more detailed list > of the > options you can change. > > Use `set show' (without the quotes) to view your current option > settings. > > subscribe [password] [digest|nodigest] [address=
] > Subscribe to this mailing list. Your password must be given to > unsubscribe or change your options, but if you omit the password, one > will be generated for you. You may be periodically reminded of your > password. > > The next argument may be either: `nodigest' or `digest' (no quotes!). > If you wish to subscribe an address other than the address you sent > this request from, you may specify `address=
' (no brackets > around the email address, and no quotes!) > > unsubscribe [password] [address=
] > Unsubscribe from the mailing list. If given, your password must > match > your current password. If omitted, a confirmation email will be sent > to the unsubscribing address. If you wish to unsubscribe an address > other than the address you sent this request from, you may specify > `address=
' (no brackets around the email address, and no > quotes!) > > who password [address=
] > See everyone who is on this mailing list. The roster is limited to > list members only, and you must supply your membership password to > retrieve it. If you're posting from an address other than your > membership address, specify your membership address with > `address=
' (no brackets around the email address, and no > quotes!) > > >Commands should be sent to playlist-request at www.tcf.ua.edu > >Questions and concerns for the attention of a person should be sent to > > playlist-owner at www.tcf.ua.edu > > You can access your personal options via the following url: > http://www.tcf.ua.edu/mailman/options/playlist/jbutler%40ua.edu > > help > Help for Playlist mailing list: > >This is email command help for version 2.1.1 of the "Mailman" >list manager. The following describes commands you can send to get >information about and control your subscription to Mailman lists at >this site. A command can be in the subject line or in the body of the >message. > >Note that much of the following can also be accomplished via the World >Wide Web, at: > > http://www.tcf.ua.edu/mailman/listinfo/playlist > >In particular, you can use the Web site to have your password sent to >your delivery address. > >List specific commands (subscribe, who, etc) should be sent to the >*-request address for the particular list, e.g. for the 'mailman' >list, use 'mailman-request at ...'. > >About the descriptions - words in "<>"s signify REQUIRED items and >words in "[]" denote OPTIONAL items. Do not include the "<>"s or >"[]"s when you use the commands. > >The following commands are valid: > > > confirm > Confirm an action. The confirmation-string is required and should be > supplied with in mailback confirmation notice. > > end > Stop processing commands. Use this if your mail program > automatically > adds a signature file. > > help > Print this help message. > > info > Get information about this mailing list. > > lists > See a list of the public mailing lists on this GNU Mailman server. > > password [ ] [address=
] > Retrieve or change your password. With no arguments, this returns > your current password. With arguments and > > you can change your password. > > If you're posting from an address other than your membership address, > specify your membership address with `address=
' (no brackets > around the email address, and no quotes!). Note that in this > case the > response is always sent to the subscribed address. > > set ... > Set or view your membership options. > > Use `set help' (without the quotes) to get a more detailed list > of the > options you can change. > > Use `set show' (without the quotes) to view your current option > settings. > > subscribe [password] [digest|nodigest] [address=
] > Subscribe to this mailing list. Your password must be given to > unsubscribe or change your options, but if you omit the password, one > will be generated for you. You may be periodically reminded of your > password. > > The next argument may be either: `nodigest' or `digest' (no quotes!). > If you wish to subscribe an address other than the address you sent > this request from, you may specify `address=
' (no brackets > around the email address, and no quotes!) > > unsubscribe [password] [address=
] > Unsubscribe from the mailing list. If given, your password must > match > your current password. If omitted, a confirmation email will be sent > to the unsubscribing address. If you wish to unsubscribe an address > other than the address you sent this request from, you may specify > `address=
' (no brackets around the email address, and no > quotes!) > > who password [address=
] > See everyone who is on this mailing list. The roster is limited to > list members only, and you must supply your membership password to > retrieve it. If you're posting from an address other than your > membership address, specify your membership address with > `address=
' (no brackets around the email address, and no > quotes!) > > >Commands should be sent to playlist-request at www.tcf.ua.edu > >Questions and concerns for the attention of a person should be sent to > > playlist-owner at www.tcf.ua.edu > > >- Unprocessed: > jbutler at ua.edu > ======================================================== > TELEVISION: CRITICAL METHODS AND APPLICATIONS > www.TVCrit.com > >- Done. > >Received: from tcf.ua.edu (mail.tcf.ua.edu [130.160.171.244]) > by www.tcf.ua.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1FFTIf6006926 > for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:29:19 > -0600 >Received: from Spooler by tcf.ua.edu (Mercury/32 v3.31) ID MO001814; > 15 Feb 03 09:29:13 -0600 >Received: from spooler by tcf.ua.edu (Mercury/32 v3.31); > 15 Feb 03 09:29:08 -0600 >Received: from SONY.ua.edu (68.62.125.127) by tcf.ua.edu (Mercury/32 v3.31) > with ESMTP ID MG001813; 15 Feb 03 09:28:57 -0600 >Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030215092843.00bb6630 at bama.ua.edu> >X-Sender: jbutler at bama.ua.edu >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 >Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:28:52 -0600 >To: playlist-request at www.tcf.ua.edu >From: Jeremy Butler >Subject: help >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > >help > > >Jeremy Butler >jbutler at ua.edu >======================================================== >TELEVISION: CRITICAL METHODS AND APPLICATIONS >www.TVCrit.com > > From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Feb 15 17:33:24 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 15 Feb 2003 11:33:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicated Text In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030215101632.03c99978@bama.ua.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030215101632.03c99978@bama.ua.edu> Message-ID: <1045326808.7340.1.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Mailman (like Majordomo) can handle multiple email commands in the same message. Mailman also looks for a command in the Subject (as well as the body). You sent it the "help" command twice. Once in the subject, once in the body. On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 11:21, Jeremy Butler wrote: > I recently installed Mailman 2.1.1 on my RedHat 8 system (using > Sendmail). I find that the email command "help" returns a message with > duplicated text in it (see below). > > Can anyone clue me in to what's happening here? > > Thanks! > > --Jeremy > > P.S. I searched the mailman-users archive, but couldn't find anything. > > >From: playlist-bounces at www.tcf.ua.edu > >Subject: The results of your email commands > >To: jbutler at ua.edu > >Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:29:25 -0600 > > > >The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your > >original message. > > > >- Results: > > You can access your personal options via the following url: > > > > help > > Help for Playlist mailing list: > > > >This is email command help for version 2.1.1 of the "Mailman" > >list manager. The following describes commands you can send to get > >information about and control your subscription to Mailman lists at > >this site. A command can be in the subject line or in the body of the > >message. > > > >Note that much of the following can also be accomplished via the World > >Wide Web, at: > > > > http://www.tcf.ua.edu/mailman/listinfo/playlist > > > >In particular, you can use the Web site to have your password sent to > >your delivery address. > > > >List specific commands (subscribe, who, etc) should be sent to the > >*-request address for the particular list, e.g. for the 'mailman' > >list, use 'mailman-request at ...'. > > > >About the descriptions - words in "<>"s signify REQUIRED items and > >words in "[]" denote OPTIONAL items. Do not include the "<>"s or > >"[]"s when you use the commands. > > > >The following commands are valid: > > > > > > confirm > > Confirm an action. The confirmation-string is required and should be > > supplied with in mailback confirmation notice. > > > > end > > Stop processing commands. Use this if your mail program > > automatically > > adds a signature file. > > > > help > > Print this help message. > > > > info > > Get information about this mailing list. > > > > lists > > See a list of the public mailing lists on this GNU Mailman server. > > > > password [ ] [address=
] > > Retrieve or change your password. With no arguments, this returns > > your current password. With arguments and > > > > you can change your password. > > > > If you're posting from an address other than your membership address, > > specify your membership address with `address=
' (no brackets > > around the email address, and no quotes!). Note that in this > > case the > > response is always sent to the subscribed address. > > > > set ... > > Set or view your membership options. > > > > Use `set help' (without the quotes) to get a more detailed list > > of the > > options you can change. > > > > Use `set show' (without the quotes) to view your current option > > settings. > > > > subscribe [password] [digest|nodigest] [address=
] > > Subscribe to this mailing list. Your password must be given to > > unsubscribe or change your options, but if you omit the password, one > > will be generated for you. You may be periodically reminded of your > > password. > > > > The next argument may be either: `nodigest' or `digest' (no quotes!). > > If you wish to subscribe an address other than the address you sent > > this request from, you may specify `address=
' (no brackets > > around the email address, and no quotes!) > > > > unsubscribe [password] [address=
] > > Unsubscribe from the mailing list. If given, your password must > > match > > your current password. If omitted, a confirmation email will be sent > > to the unsubscribing address. If you wish to unsubscribe an address > > other than the address you sent this request from, you may specify > > `address=
' (no brackets around the email address, and no > > quotes!) > > > > who password [address=
] > > See everyone who is on this mailing list. The roster is limited to > > list members only, and you must supply your membership password to > > retrieve it. If you're posting from an address other than your > > membership address, specify your membership address with > > `address=
' (no brackets around the email address, and no > > quotes!) > > > > > >Commands should be sent to playlist-request at www.tcf.ua.edu > > > >Questions and concerns for the attention of a person should be sent to > > > > playlist-owner at www.tcf.ua.edu > > > > You can access your personal options via the following url: > > http://www.tcf.ua.edu/mailman/options/playlist/jbutler%40ua.edu > > > > help > > Help for Playlist mailing list: > > > >This is email command help for version 2.1.1 of the "Mailman" > >list manager. The following describes commands you can send to get > >information about and control your subscription to Mailman lists at > >this site. A command can be in the subject line or in the body of the > >message. > > > >Note that much of the following can also be accomplished via the World > >Wide Web, at: > > > > http://www.tcf.ua.edu/mailman/listinfo/playlist > > > >In particular, you can use the Web site to have your password sent to > >your delivery address. > > > >List specific commands (subscribe, who, etc) should be sent to the > >*-request address for the particular list, e.g. for the 'mailman' > >list, use 'mailman-request at ...'. > > > >About the descriptions - words in "<>"s signify REQUIRED items and > >words in "[]" denote OPTIONAL items. Do not include the "<>"s or > >"[]"s when you use the commands. > > > >The following commands are valid: > > > > > > confirm > > Confirm an action. The confirmation-string is required and should be > > supplied with in mailback confirmation notice. > > > > end > > Stop processing commands. Use this if your mail program > > automatically > > adds a signature file. > > > > help > > Print this help message. > > > > info > > Get information about this mailing list. > > > > lists > > See a list of the public mailing lists on this GNU Mailman server. > > > > password [ ] [address=
] > > Retrieve or change your password. With no arguments, this returns > > your current password. With arguments and > > > > you can change your password. > > > > If you're posting from an address other than your membership address, > > specify your membership address with `address=
' (no brackets > > around the email address, and no quotes!). Note that in this > > case the > > response is always sent to the subscribed address. > > > > set ... > > Set or view your membership options. > > > > Use `set help' (without the quotes) to get a more detailed list > > of the > > options you can change. > > > > Use `set show' (without the quotes) to view your current option > > settings. > > > > subscribe [password] [digest|nodigest] [address=
] > > Subscribe to this mailing list. Your password must be given to > > unsubscribe or change your options, but if you omit the password, one > > will be generated for you. You may be periodically reminded of your > > password. > > > > The next argument may be either: `nodigest' or `digest' (no quotes!). > > If you wish to subscribe an address other than the address you sent > > this request from, you may specify `address=
' (no brackets > > around the email address, and no quotes!) > > > > unsubscribe [password] [address=
] > > Unsubscribe from the mailing list. If given, your password must > > match > > your current password. If omitted, a confirmation email will be sent > > to the unsubscribing address. If you wish to unsubscribe an address > > other than the address you sent this request from, you may specify > > `address=
' (no brackets around the email address, and no > > quotes!) > > > > who password [address=
] > > See everyone who is on this mailing list. The roster is limited to > > list members only, and you must supply your membership password to > > retrieve it. If you're posting from an address other than your > > membership address, specify your membership address with > > `address=
' (no brackets around the email address, and no > > quotes!) > > > > > >Commands should be sent to playlist-request at www.tcf.ua.edu > > > >Questions and concerns for the attention of a person should be sent to > > > > playlist-owner at www.tcf.ua.edu > > > > > >- Unprocessed: > > jbutler at ua.edu > > ======================================================== > > TELEVISION: CRITICAL METHODS AND APPLICATIONS > > www.TVCrit.com > > > >- Done. > > > >Received: from tcf.ua.edu (mail.tcf.ua.edu [130.160.171.244]) > > by www.tcf.ua.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1FFTIf6006926 > > for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:29:19 > > -0600 > >Received: from Spooler by tcf.ua.edu (Mercury/32 v3.31) ID MO001814; > > 15 Feb 03 09:29:13 -0600 > >Received: from spooler by tcf.ua.edu (Mercury/32 v3.31); > > 15 Feb 03 09:29:08 -0600 > >Received: from SONY.ua.edu (68.62.125.127) by tcf.ua.edu (Mercury/32 v3.31) > > with ESMTP ID MG001813; 15 Feb 03 09:28:57 -0600 > >Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030215092843.00bb6630 at bama.ua.edu> > >X-Sender: jbutler at bama.ua.edu > >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 > >Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:28:52 -0600 > >To: playlist-request at www.tcf.ua.edu > >From: Jeremy Butler > >Subject: help > >Mime-Version: 1.0 > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > > >help > > > > > >Jeremy Butler > >jbutler at ua.edu > >======================================================== > >TELEVISION: CRITICAL METHODS AND APPLICATIONS > >www.TVCrit.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jbutler at ua.edu Sat Feb 15 18:34:02 2003 From: jbutler at ua.edu (Jeremy Butler) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:34:02 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing Help Template Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030215113047.00bbbd18@bama.ua.edu> I recently installed Mailman 2.1.1 and I'm interested in changing a few things in the help template--that is, the message sent to users when they send the help command (see below). What's got me confused is the section where the actual commands are listed: %(commands)s Obviously, this is a variable. Can it be customized somehow? Thanks! -- help template -- Help for %(listname)s mailing list: This is email command help for version %(version)s of the "Mailman" list manager. The following describes commands you can send to get information about and control your subscription to Mailman lists at this site. A command can be in the subject line or in the body of the message. Note that much of the following can also be accomplished via the World Wide Web, at: %(listinfo_url)s In particular, you can use the Web site to have your password sent to your delivery address. List specific commands (subscribe, who, etc) should be sent to the *-request address for the particular list, e.g. for the 'mailman' list, use 'mailman-request at ...'. About the descriptions - words in "<>"s signify REQUIRED items and words in "[]" denote OPTIONAL items. Do not include the "<>"s or "[]"s when you use the commands. The following commands are valid: %(commands)s Commands should be sent to %(requestaddr)s Questions and concerns for the attention of a person should be sent to %(adminaddr)s Jeremy Butler jbutler at ua.edu ======================================================== TELEVISION: CRITICAL METHODS AND APPLICATIONS www.TVCrit.com From danielj at cheshirecat.net Sat Feb 15 18:42:59 2003 From: danielj at cheshirecat.net (Daniel A. Jacobs) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 12:42:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner Outgoing getting stuck? In-Reply-To: <000b01c2d50b$a9270b20$de02a8c0@BRAK> Message-ID: <000d01c2d519$b1e5a0b0$de02a8c0@BRAK> I also should mention that I am running this on FreeBSD-4.3. > DEFAULT_CHARSET = None is how mine is set. > > This is driving me crazy. Has no one else ever seen this error? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] > > > > I just peeked at the code, but just for a second (have to get to bed...) > > and I have a WAG. What is your DEFAULT_CHARSET set to in > > ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (or Default.py)? Mine is: > > DEFAULT_CHARSET = None > > > > Hope its not a waste of time - Jon Carnes > > > > On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 12:21, Daniel A. Jacobs wrote: > > > Running Python 2.2.2, Mailman 2.1.1, Sendmail. > > > > > > For all lists, messages make it to the archives, but get stuck in > > > qfiles/out. If I run 'qrunner -r out -v' I get this: > > > > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? > > > main() > > > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main > > > qrunner.run() > > > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run > > > filecnt = self._oneloop() > > > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in _oneloop > > > msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) > > > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 151, in > > dequeue > > > if data.has_key('rejection-notice'): > > > AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'has_key' > > > > > > > > > I can move files in and out of qfiles/out and run the queue manually, > > and > > > some of them get run and some don't. I can't find any references to > the > > > above error. Any suggestions? > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Daniel > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman- > users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: danielj at cheshirecat.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman- > users/danielj%40cheshirecat.net From danielj at cheshirecat.net Sat Feb 15 19:05:10 2003 From: danielj at cheshirecat.net (Daniel A. Jacobs) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 13:05:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner Outgoing getting stuck? - including relevant code Message-ID: <000f01c2d51c$cb5d86e0$de02a8c0@BRAK> This is where the assertion is being thrown: ~mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, line 148: # Between 2.1b4 and 2.1b5, the `rejection-notice' key in the metadata # was renamed to `rejection_notice', since dashes in the keys are not # supported in METAFMT_ASCII. if data.has_key('rejection-notice'): data['rejection_notice'] = data['rejection-notice'] del data['rejection-notice'] msgfp = None > On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 12:21, Daniel A. Jacobs wrote: > > Running Python 2.2.2, Mailman 2.1.1, Sendmail. > > > > For all lists, messages make it to the archives, but get stuck in > > qfiles/out. If I run 'qrunner -r out -v' I get this: > > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? main() > > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main qrunner.run() > > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run > > filecnt = self._oneloop() > > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in _oneloop > > msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) > > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 151, in dequeue > > if data.has_key('rejection-notice'): > > AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'has_key' > > > > I can move files in and out of qfiles/out and run the queue manually, > > and some of them get run and some don't. I can't find any references to > > the above error. Any suggestions? > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > Daniel > > > > > > > > From russellmroberts at yahoo.com Sun Feb 16 00:22:24 2003 From: russellmroberts at yahoo.com (Russell Roberts) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:22:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Alternatives Message-ID: <20030215232224.79254.qmail@web80403.mail.yahoo.com> I use www.cpanelhosting.com for my mailman hosting needs. It's very economical and has worked well for me. Russell --- Jon Carnes wrote: > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Alternatives > From: Jon Carnes > To: Cody Harris > Date: 14 Feb 2003 23:21:36 -0500 > CC: Mailman users Mailing list > > > Check out www.nonags.com for a lot of freeware > software (including some > mailing list management apps). > > On the other hand, you could check out > www.redhat.com and probably be a > lot happier in the long run... :-). If you want to > play on the > internet, Windows works. If you want to work on the > internet, then buy > a Unix box or come on-board the Open Source > revolution. Anyone is > welcome to join. > > Jon Carnes > > On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 20:09, Cody Harris wrote: > > Does anyone know of a site that would give out > Mailman? I like the looks of > > mailman and how it works, but i have a win32 box. > If not, are there any > > other Win32 compatible mailing list software like > Mailman? Thanks alot! > > > > Check out http://vectec.net for all your hosting > needs > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: russellmroberts at yahoo.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/russellmroberts%40yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Sun Feb 16 00:50:40 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 08:50:40 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner Outgoing getting stuck? References: <004501c2d44d$1ad67db0$de02a8c0@BRAK> Message-ID: <3E4ED250.1040308@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, Looks like your message db file in queue is somehow corrupted. Try ~/bin/dumpdb .{db,pck} and find oddities. Tokio Daniel A. Jacobs wrote: > Running Python 2.2.2, Mailman 2.1.1, Sendmail. > > For all lists, messages make it to the archives, but get stuck in > qfiles/out. If I run 'qrunner -r out -v' I get this: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? > main() > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main > qrunner.run() > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run > filecnt = self._oneloop() > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in _oneloop > msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 151, in dequeue > if data.has_key('rejection-notice'): > AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'has_key' > > > I can move files in and out of qfiles/out and run the queue manually, and > some of them get run and some don't. I can't find any references to the > above error. Any suggestions? > > Thank you, > > Daniel > > From friedrich28 at gmx.de Sun Feb 16 02:27:04 2003 From: friedrich28 at gmx.de (friedrich28 at gmx.de) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 02:27:04 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sync_members error Message-ID: <3E4EF6F8.23620.133D0DA8@localhost> Hi there, I'm setting up an interaction of Mailman 2.1 with a list from a MySQL database via newlist and sync_members. But sync_members always aborts with the following error: 2.05a IT ~ % sudo /Users/mailman/bin/sync_members -g=yes -a=no -f /Users/mailman/queries/mailresult listname Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Users/mailman/bin/sync_members", line 286, in ? main() File "/Users/mailman/bin/sync_members", line 258, in main s = email.Utils.formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace') UnboundLocalError: local variable 'enc' referenced before assignment The code fragment in question is: # addrs contains now all the addresses that need removing for laddr, (name, addr) in needsadding.items(): pw = Utils.MakeRandomPassword() # should not already be subscribed, otherwise our test above is # broken. Bogosity is if the address is listed in the file more # than once. Second and subsequent ones trigger an # MMAlreadyAMember error. Just catch it and go on. userdesc = UserDesc(addr, name, pw, digest) try: if not dryrun: mlist.ApprovedAddMember(userdesc, welcome, notifyadmin) s = email.Utils.formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace') ### line 258 print _('Added : %(s)s') except Errors.MMAlreadyAMember: pass I've checked mailresult (which is a MySQL Output), it contains only valid eMail- addresses, one per line. Direct MySQL interaction is still not available, right? Thanks for your help, Friedrich From malkin at terpalum.umd.edu Sun Feb 16 02:36:19 2003 From: malkin at terpalum.umd.edu (Tess Snider) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:36:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists work, web doesn't. Message-ID: Oh boy, I am at the end of my rope. I recently upgraded my Mandrake distro on my mailman server, and my lists seem to be delivering mail just fine, but I can't reach the web pages for them at all. Whenever I try to reach them using the URL in the subscription email, I get: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No such list [List Name] There currently are no publicly-advertised mailman mailing lists on [Server Name]. To visit the info page for an unadvertised list, open a URL similar to this one, but with a '/' and the right list name appended. List administrators, you can visit the list admin overview page to find the management interface for your list. (Send questions or comments to mailman-owner at localhost.localdomain.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where [List Name] is the name of the list and [Server Name] is the server. Now, before everyone says, "The server name needs to match the one for the list!" I already checked that. The server name is right. Besides that, I tried it with every other combination I could think of, and I have VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW set to 0 in the mm_cfg.py, anyway. And yes, the list is advertised (and even if it wasn't, it should still come up correctly when I go straight to its URL!). I'm using Postfix for my mail and Apache for my web server. I'm currently configured with mail gid "mailman" and cgi gid "apache." Anyone have any clues? Thanks for your time! Tess From friedrich28 at gmx.de Sun Feb 16 02:44:08 2003 From: friedrich28 at gmx.de (friedrich28 at gmx.de) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 02:44:08 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sync_members error In-Reply-To: <3E4EF6F8.23620.133D0DA8@localhost> Message-ID: <3E4EFAF8.1679.134CAB6F@localhost> Hello again, > I'm setting up an interaction of Mailman 2.1 with a list from a MySQL database via > newlist and sync_members. But sync_members always aborts with the following error: I'm sorry - I've found Barry's patch, applied it and it's all well. Sorry to have disturbed you. Regards, Friedrich From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Feb 16 05:41:15 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 15 Feb 2003 23:41:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists work, web doesn't. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1045370480.10047.17.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> There are a bunch of things to check - and you have probably already checked them: - rights on the complete directory structure for Mailman (check each directory and subdirectory to make sure that apache can get to the cgi's and the lists). - can you create a new list and access it? - are you running straight http or https? - what do the web legs say - any warnings or errors? On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 20:36, Tess Snider wrote: > Oh boy, I am at the end of my rope. > > I recently upgraded my Mandrake distro on my mailman server, and my lists > seem to be delivering mail just fine, but I can't reach the web pages for > them at all. > > Whenever I try to reach them using the URL in the subscription email, I > get: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > No such list [List Name] > > There currently are no publicly-advertised mailman mailing lists > on [Server Name]. To visit the info page for an unadvertised list, > open a URL similar to this one, but with a '/' and the right list > name appended. > > List administrators, you can visit the list admin overview page to > find the management interface for your list. > > (Send questions or comments to mailman-owner at localhost.localdomain.) > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Where [List Name] is the name of the list and [Server Name] is the server. > > Now, before everyone says, "The server name needs to match the one for the > list!" I already checked that. The server name is right. Besides that, I > tried it with every other combination I could think of, and I have > VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW set to 0 in the mm_cfg.py, anyway. And yes, the > list is advertised (and even if it wasn't, it should still come up > correctly when I go straight to its URL!). > > I'm using Postfix for my mail and Apache for my web server. I'm currently > configured with mail gid "mailman" and cgi gid "apache." > > Anyone have any clues? > > Thanks for your time! > > Tess > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From claw at kanga.nu Sun Feb 16 08:43:40 2003 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 23:43:40 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation and Window In-Reply-To: Message from Cody Harris <5.2.0.9.0.20030214182220.009ea450@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030214182220.009ea450@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <13140.1045381420@kanga.nu> On Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:23:31 -0400 Cody Harris wrote: > Is it possible to install mailman on a Windows 98 box? Probably but nobody has either bothered or had sufficient interest to. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From paul at vet.fnt.hvu.nl Sun Feb 16 12:12:41 2003 From: paul at vet.fnt.hvu.nl (Paul Dekkers) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 12:12:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderation problem Message-ID: <3E4F7229.1080408@vet.fnt.hvu.nl> Hi, I installed Mailman-2.1.1 and was wondering if it's possible to moderate all traffic by default for most|all users: I saw the option for emergency moderation, and in that case all mail is held for moderation, but it sounds a bit crue. Besides: I kind of expected mailman would send the list-moderators a mail that there is mail to be moderated. Especially for low-volume mailinglists there can be a moderation request for every mail sent for as far as I'm concerned. The last issue I found with mailman is that the password-reminder-option is disabled for new users (?) in the general mailinglist-settings, but new users still have their option to get a password-reminder every month turned on: that doesn't seem so user-friendly to me (they can get a reminder if they want to, but not by default.) Thank you for your help, Paul From malkin at terpalum.umd.edu Sun Feb 16 17:38:49 2003 From: malkin at terpalum.umd.edu (Tess Snider) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 11:38:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists work, web doesn't. In-Reply-To: <1045370480.10047.17.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: On 15 Feb 2003, Jon Carnes wrote: > There are a bunch of things to check - and you have probably already > checked them: > - rights on the complete directory structure for Mailman (check each > directory and subdirectory to make sure that apache can get to the cgi's > and the lists). I've used check_perms repeatedly. There's a security cron job running on my computer currently which keeps aggressively switching the permissions on the mailman directory to something less dangerous, but switching the permissions back to what they're supposed to be doesn't seem to have any effect on the problem, whatsoever. (I've tried it several times, out of exasperation.) > - can you create a new list and access it? New lists seem to behave exactly like the old ones. > - are you running straight http or https? I'm running with defaults. > - what do the web legs say - any warnings or errors? Nothing but some punk kid failing to compromise my system this morning. Tess From magic at mirc.net Sun Feb 16 18:15:12 2003 From: magic at mirc.net (Marcus Lindgren) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 12:15:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailmanctl problems. Message-ID: <20030216121010.J96679-100000@Linuxshell> Hi, I've just installed latest version of mailman from the FreeBSD ports. My problem is that after /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start I get.. [root at linuxshell.net]: /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start Starting Mailman's master qrunner. ... .. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main qrunner.run() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run filecnt = self._oneloop() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in _oneloop msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 144, in dequeue data = self._ext_read(dbfile) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 245, in _ext_read dict = marshal.load(fp) EOFError: EOF read where object expected If i check the qrunner log I can see the following: Feb 16 12:12:07 2003 (97067) CommandRunner qrunner started. Feb 16 12:12:07 2003 (97065) ArchRunner qrunner started. Feb 16 12:12:07 2003 (97068) IncomingRunner qrunner started. Feb 16 12:12:07 2003 (97066) BounceRunner qrunner started. Feb 16 12:12:07 2003 (97069) NewsRunner qrunner started. Feb 16 12:12:07 2003 (97071) VirginRunner qrunner started. Feb 16 12:12:08 2003 (97070) OutgoingRunner qrunner started. Feb 16 12:12:08 2003 (97064) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 97068, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Feb 16 12:12:11 2003 (97087) IncomingRunner qrunner started. Feb 16 12:12:11 2003 (97064) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit .... Feb 16 12:12:29 2003 (97064) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 97101, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Feb 16 12:12:29 2003 (97064) Qrunner IncomingRunner reached maximum restart limit of 10, not restarting. No emails sent is delivered. I've tried to search the archive for an answer, and found one with a simular problem, he was recomended to upgrade python, I've done that but I didn't solve any problems. I'd be very greatfull for any help. Kind regards Marcus Lindgren ___________________________________________________________ LinuxShell Internet Services: www.linuxshell.net Nedergardsvagen 7 7trp, SE-147 40 Tumba Sweden Phone/Fax: +46 (0)8 53 490 440 Email: marcus at linuxshell.net ___________________________________________________________ From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Feb 16 18:15:05 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 16 Feb 2003 12:15:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists work, web doesn't. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1045415710.1748.12.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 11:38, Tess Snider wrote: > On 15 Feb 2003, Jon Carnes wrote: > > > There are a bunch of things to check - and you have probably already > > checked them: > > - rights on the complete directory structure for Mailman (check each > > directory and subdirectory to make sure that apache can get to the cgi's > > and the lists). > > I've used check_perms repeatedly. There's a security cron job running > on my computer currently which keeps aggressively switching the > permissions on the mailman directory to something less dangerous, but > switching the permissions back to what they're supposed to be doesn't seem > to have any effect on the problem, whatsoever. (I've tried it several > times, out of exasperation.) > Hmmm, It's been awhile since I played with FreeBSD (I like OpenBSD a bit more). It sounds like a rights problem. Try commenting out the security job for a bit and then opening up the rights on the whole Mailman directory structure - just as a test. In the past some folks running BSD have had similar problems due to rights on the directory structure. BTW: Mailman's check_perms program doesn't check the whole directory tree, just the part from ~mailman on down. If mailman's directory is hung off an inaccessible root directory then external apps (like say apache) could have real difficulty in reading your lists. I'm guessing that you are not running the Apache server in a chroot'ed environment. Jon Carnes From malkin at terpalum.umd.edu Sun Feb 16 18:51:27 2003 From: malkin at terpalum.umd.edu (Tess Snider) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 12:51:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists work, web doesn't. In-Reply-To: <1045415710.1748.12.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: On 16 Feb 2003, Jon Carnes wrote: > Hmmm, It's been awhile since I played with FreeBSD (I like OpenBSD a bit > more). FreeBSD? This is Linux! ;) > It sounds like a rights problem. Try commenting out the security job > for a bit and then opening up the rights on the whole Mailman directory > structure - just as a test. In the past some folks running BSD have had > similar problems due to rights on the directory structure. I'm going to poke around, and figure out where this security thing is. It's driving me batty. Mandrake put it on, automatically, and while I appreciate its concern for the security of my machine, I don't like things clobbering my deliberately-set permissions! > BTW: Mailman's check_perms program doesn't check the whole directory > tree, just the part from ~mailman on down. If mailman's directory is > hung off an inaccessible root directory then external apps (like say > apache) could have real difficulty in reading your lists. It's just in the regular old default /home/mailman. There should be nothing wrong with my /home directory, because I can browse to my ~user (/home/user) directories just fine. > I'm guessing that you are not running the Apache server in a chroot'ed > environment. No, it's not chrooted, and hasn't been, to date. (Which is not to say I won't do that in the future, but I'd like to have everything working before going off and doing something that's going to break it all, again. ;) ) Tess From jbutler at ua.edu Sun Feb 16 19:38:55 2003 From: jbutler at ua.edu (Jeremy Butler) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 12:38:55 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman's Host Name & sendmail's Virtual Users Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030216122958.03c90eb8@bama.ua.edu> I recently installed Mailman 2.1.1 on a RedHat 8 box. I'd like the one machine to be a listserver for two domains: www.tcf.ua.edu and www.cinemastudies.org (which is set up as a virtual host on Apache 1.3.27). Mailman seems to be set okay on www.tcf.ua.edu, but when I tried something similar with SCMS-L at www.cinemastudies.org and sent e-mail to it, I got 550 5.7.1 ... Relaying denied In Mailman's General Options Section, I set the "Host name this list prefers for email" to www.cinemastudies.org, but this didn't do the trick. So, I poked around in the sendmail docs and found the following bit about virtual user tables (below); but I'm rather fuzzy about the details. (I haven't been using www.cinemastudies.org as an e-mail receiver previously.) Are virtual users how one creates virtual hosts? Is this what I need to do: 1. Create a text file named sourcefile in /etc/mail and add: @www.tcf.ua.edu %1 at www.cinemastudies.org 2. Run makemap dbm /etc/mail/virtusertable < sourcefile 3. Add a line to /etc/mail/local-host-names: www.cinemastudies.org 4. Restart sendmail. Do I need to edit /etc/mail/generics-domains? Thanks for the assistance. ---- sendmail docs ---- # Create the virtual user table. This is explained in detail in section 19.6.28 of the sendmail book; an overview is given here. The table is a database that maps virtual addresses into real addresses. You create a text file where each line has a key/value pair, separated by a TAB. For example: joe at yourdomain.com jschmoe jane at yourdomain.com jdoe at othercompany.com @yourdomain.com jschmoe In this first example, the address joe at yourdomain.com will be mapped to the local user jschmoe, jane at yourdomain.com will be mapped to the remote user jdoe at othercompany.com, and anything else coming in to yourdomain.com will also go to jschmoe. joe at yourdomain.com jschmoe bogus at yourdomain.com error:nouser No such user here list at yourdomain.com yourdomain-list @yourdomain.com %1 at othercompany.com In this second example, the address joe at yourdomain.com will be mapped to the local user jschmoe, the address bogus at yourdomain.com will return the indicated error, the address list at yourdomain.com will be mapped to the local user yourdomain-list (which you would use the aliases file to ultimately resolve) and every other user at yourdomain.com will be mapped to a remote user of the same name at othercompany.com. # Build the virtual user table. If the above virtual user table text file is located at sourcefile, and you are using the dbm database type, then use the command: makemap dbm /etc/mail/virtusertable < sourcefile This actually creates one or more non-text files (typically /etc/mail/virtusertable.dir and /etc/mail/virtusertable.pag, or /etc/mail/virtusertable.db), but does not actually change /etc/mail/virtusertable itself, so this is the recommended location for sourcefile. # If you would like to reverse-map local users for out-bound mail, you will need to add support for the generics table to your .mc file: FEATURE(`genericstable', `dbm /etc/mail/genericstable')dnl GENERICS_DOMAIN_FILE(`/etc/mail/generics-domains')dnl And you will need to create /etc/mail/genericstable which is like /etc/mail/virtusertable above except the columns are reversed: jschmoe joe at yourdomain.com # Add your domain name to sendmail's class w. This is typically done by adding a line to /etc/mail/local-host-names (known as /etc/sendmail.cw prior to 8.10) with the value of your domain name. Likewise, if you are using the genericstable, you should add any domains you wish to reverse-map to /etc/mail/generics-domains. # Restart or SIGHUP sendmail. Jeremy Butler jbutler at ua.edu ======================================================== TELEVISION: CRITICAL METHODS AND APPLICATIONS www.TVCrit.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Feb 16 19:53:57 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 16 Feb 2003 13:53:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists work, web doesn't. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1045421641.1748.42.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 12:51, Tess Snider wrote: > On 16 Feb 2003, Jon Carnes wrote: > > > Hmmm, It's been awhile since I played with FreeBSD (I like OpenBSD a bit > > more). > > FreeBSD? This is Linux! ;) Sorry! I just read another post before writing this and dropped a few synaptic links. I'm using Mandrake myself right now. > > It's just in the regular old default /home/mailman. There should be > nothing wrong with my /home directory, because I can browse to my ~user > (/home/user) directories just fine. > So you are running version 2.1.13? What happens when you look for the lists via http://127.0.0.1/mailman/admin From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Feb 16 20:28:54 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 16 Feb 2003 14:28:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman's Host Name & sendmail's Virtual Users In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030216122958.03c90eb8@bama.ua.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030216122958.03c90eb8@bama.ua.edu> Message-ID: <1045423738.1610.66.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Read: http://www.sendmail.org/virtual-hosting.html The DNS mx records for cinemastudies.org and tcf.ua.edu must both point to your mailserver. Your Mailserver must have both domains setup as local names (/etc/mail/local-host-names -- or something like that). You might also want to put the domain names in your /etc/mail/access file with the keyword allow. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 13:38, Jeremy Butler wrote: > I recently installed Mailman 2.1.1 on a RedHat 8 box. I'd like the one > machine to be a listserver for two domains: www.tcf.ua.edu and > www.cinemastudies.org (which is set up as a virtual host on Apache 1.3.27). > > Mailman seems to be set okay on www.tcf.ua.edu, but when I tried something > similar with SCMS-L at www.cinemastudies.org and sent e-mail to it, I got > > 550 5.7.1 ... Relaying denied > > In Mailman's General Options Section, I set the "Host name this list > prefers for email" to www.cinemastudies.org, but this didn't do the trick. > > So, I poked around in the sendmail docs and found the following bit about > virtual user tables (below); but I'm rather fuzzy about the details. (I > haven't been using www.cinemastudies.org as an e-mail receiver > previously.) Are virtual users how one creates virtual hosts? Is this > what I need to do: > > 1. Create a text file named sourcefile in /etc/mail and add: > > @www.tcf.ua.edu %1 at www.cinemastudies.org > > 2. Run > > makemap dbm /etc/mail/virtusertable < sourcefile > > 3. Add a line to /etc/mail/local-host-names: > > www.cinemastudies.org > > 4. Restart sendmail. > > Do I need to edit /etc/mail/generics-domains? > > Thanks for the assistance. > > > ---- sendmail docs ---- > > # > > Create the virtual user table. This is explained in detail in section > 19.6.28 of the sendmail book; an overview is given here. The table is a > database that maps virtual addresses into real addresses. You create a text > file where each line has a key/value pair, separated by a TAB. For example: > > joe at yourdomain.com jschmoe > jane at yourdomain.com jdoe at othercompany.com > @yourdomain.com jschmoe > > In this first example, the address joe at yourdomain.com will be mapped to the > local user jschmoe, jane at yourdomain.com will be mapped to the remote user > jdoe at othercompany.com, and anything else coming in to yourdomain.com will > also go to jschmoe. > > joe at yourdomain.com jschmoe > bogus at yourdomain.com error:nouser No such user here > list at yourdomain.com yourdomain-list > @yourdomain.com %1 at othercompany.com > > In this second example, the address joe at yourdomain.com will be mapped to > the local user jschmoe, the address bogus at yourdomain.com will return the > indicated error, the address list at yourdomain.com will be mapped to the > local user yourdomain-list (which you would use the aliases file to > ultimately resolve) and every other user at yourdomain.com will be mapped > to a remote user of the same name at othercompany.com. > > # > > Build the virtual user table. If the above virtual user table text file is > located at sourcefile, and you are using the dbm database type, then use > the command: > > makemap dbm /etc/mail/virtusertable < sourcefile > > This actually creates one or more non-text files (typically > /etc/mail/virtusertable.dir and /etc/mail/virtusertable.pag, or > /etc/mail/virtusertable.db), but does not actually change > /etc/mail/virtusertable itself, so this is the recommended location for > sourcefile. > # > > If you would like to reverse-map local users for out-bound mail, you will > need to add support for the generics table to your .mc file: > > FEATURE(`genericstable', `dbm /etc/mail/genericstable')dnl > GENERICS_DOMAIN_FILE(`/etc/mail/generics-domains')dnl > > And you will need to create /etc/mail/genericstable which is like > /etc/mail/virtusertable above except the columns are reversed: > > jschmoe joe at yourdomain.com > > # > > Add your domain name to sendmail's class w. This is typically done by > adding a line to /etc/mail/local-host-names (known as /etc/sendmail.cw > prior to 8.10) with the value of your domain name. > > Likewise, if you are using the genericstable, you should add any domains > you wish to reverse-map to /etc/mail/generics-domains. > # > > Restart or SIGHUP sendmail. > > > Jeremy Butler > jbutler at ua.edu > ======================================================== > TELEVISION: CRITICAL METHODS AND APPLICATIONS > www.TVCrit.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From webperson at now.org Sun Feb 16 20:39:05 2003 From: webperson at now.org (NOW Website Coordinator) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 11:39:05 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] long subjects wrapping in Mailman Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030216113545.00be8a80@now.org> When we send out a message with a long subject using Mailman, in some mailers the subject wraps on to a second line (thus invisible in the subject index of mailers like Eudora). We didn't have this happen in Majordomo. If the subject was long, at least you saw the beginning part of it. It wraps right after the list name, ie: [now-test-list] Here is our too long message subject right here but is fine with shorter ones: [now-test--list] Shorter subject here Ideas? Thanks. From kmastin at beechtree.ca Sun Feb 16 21:00:41 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:00:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman's Host Name & sendmail's Virtual Users In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030216122958.03c90eb8@bama.ua.edu> Message-ID: >I recently installed Mailman 2.1.1 on a RedHat 8 box. I'd like the one >machine to be a listserver for two domains: www.tcf.ua.edu and >www.cinemastudies.org (which is set up as a virtual host on Apache 1.3.27). > >Mailman seems to be set okay on www.tcf.ua.edu, but when I tried something >similar with SCMS-L at www.cinemastudies.org and sent e-mail to it, I got > >550 5.7.1 ... Relaying denied > >In Mailman's General Options Section, I set the "Host name this list >prefers for email" to www.cinemastudies.org, but this didn't do the trick. > >So, I poked around in the sendmail docs and found the following bit about Hope I'm not too far out of line here, but I gotta say it. If this is your first mail server, you might find that postfix is easier to setup and understand. Virtual tables make a lot more sense and you can edit the config file (main.cf) directly rather than running it through m4. What you are trying to do can be done in postfix in about a minute, by creating one file, adding a line or two to the main.cf file and running postfix reload. (As long as you dns is set up correctly, that is.) From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Feb 16 21:33:10 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 16 Feb 2003 15:33:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman's Host Name & sendmail's Virtual Users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1045427594.1610.84.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 15:00, Keith Mastin wrote: > > Hope I'm not too far out of line here, but I gotta say it. If this is your > first mail server, you might find that postfix is easier to setup and > understand. Virtual tables make a lot more sense and you can edit the > config file (main.cf) directly rather than running it through m4. Just to clear up some mis-conceptions about Sendmail, 1) virtual tables under Sendmail are easy to setup. Just as easy as Postfix. 2) You *can* edit sendmail.cf (Sendmail's main config file) directly. In fact the comments inside the file are quite helpful. You do not need to use M4 for changes to Sendmail - some folks just like that better. > > What you are trying to do can be done in postfix in about a minute, by > creating one file, adding a line or two to the main.cf file and running > postfix reload. (As long as you dns is set up correctly, that is.) > The same is exactly true for Sendmail. In my experience, Sendmail only has two failings: it does reverse aliasing poorly for virtual hosts, and it is not an optimized MTA. Still Sendmail works and works well. Jon Carnes (reformed Sendmail junkie) From paul at fpen.org Sun Feb 16 22:46:28 2003 From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:46:28 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Settings for filtering messages with attachments Message-ID: Forgive me for asking what may be obvious. I am about to restart a list that was on listproc. I want to use content filtering but I am not clear what it does to the archives, to the messages or to the digests. I have read the documentation on the Content Filtering page and sent several types of messages but I am still confused. Initially I had it set to "No". I sent a message in rich text and it appears to go through unfiltered but the archive has a message that is text only with a URL pointer to an attachment.bin that I cannot seem to open. From the documentation: >Content filtering works like this: when a message is received by the >list and you have enabled content filtering, the individual >attachments are first compared to the filter types. If the >attachment type matches an entry in the filter types, it is >discarded. Does "IT is discarded" refer to just the attachment or the whole message? I assume the attachment. >Then, if there are pass types defined, any attachment type that does >not match a pass type is also discarded. If there are no pass types >defined, this check is skipped. So the default is to allow multipart/mixed, multipart/alternative, and text/plain to pass through. (I am really not clear what these may house except for plain text.) So these are the only sections that are allowed to pass (if filtering is enabled otherwise everything gets through) What about text/html? Does that get through? >After this initial filtering, any multipart attachments that are >empty are removed. If the outer message is left empty after this >filtering, then the whole message is discarded. Then, each >multipart/alternative section will be replaced by just the first >alternative that is non-empty after filtering. I take this to mean it the message has only rejected sections and all that is left is the shell of the message, then the shell is discarded, otherwise the first section that makes it through becomes the the first section in the message >Finally, any text/html parts that are left in the message may be >converted to text/plain if convert_html_to_plaintext is enabled and >the site is configured to allow these conversions. How does text/html get through to this point if it is not in the pass_mime_types? If I want text/html to be converted, do I have to put "text/html" in the pass_mime_types? But does this have any effect on the archives? (It seems it I turn on filtering that there is no "attachment.bin") What does it do to the appearance of the digests? I guess ideally I would all mail to go out as text and any attachments stripped and potentially stored with a url for retrieval by the willing. Am I dreaming? I guess I need a tutorial on the anatomy of a multipart message. Anyone know where I can find one? Paul (just enough knowledge to be a hazard to myself) -- Paul Kleeberg paul at fpen.org From paul at fpen.org Sun Feb 16 23:14:27 2003 From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 16:14:27 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Topic buckets Message-ID: Can a message appear in zero, 1, 2 or more topic buckets? -- Paul Kleeberg paul at fpen.org From mitchell at cuip.net Mon Feb 17 00:47:32 2003 From: mitchell at cuip.net (Mitchell Marks) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 17:47:32 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] long subjects wrapping in Mailman In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030216113545.00be8a80@now.org> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030216172548.04fc3e20@cuip.uchicago.edu> I'm also looking for a fix for this, which we've been having in MM 2.1 and continuing in 2.1.1. A couple weeks back, I saw some references to a patch from Tokio Kikuchi for changing the handling of Subjects, and wonder if that would be relevant here. But my impression was that that was just for digests. The problem that NOW Coordinator and I are having is particular to nondigest messages -- not that it can't happen in digests, but it doesn't matter there the same way. It's problematic just when the client gives a single-line display in an overview or mailbox-summary window, and the message Subject appears truncated to the [list tag]. At 01:39 PM 2/16/03, NOW Website Coordinator wrote: >When we send out a message with a long subject using Mailman, in some >mailers the subject wraps on to a second line (thus invisible in the >subject index of mailers like Eudora). Our list recipients who use pine or IMHO (a webmail client) as their client don't see this odd newline problem, but those with Eudora do. From looking at my mailbox as plain text, I'm pretty sure the line break is in there, and the clients that don't have a problem with it are fixing things up nicely. [...] >It wraps right after the list name, ie: > [now-test-list] >Here is our too long message subject right here > >but is fine with shorter ones: >[now-test--list] Shorter subject here > >Ideas? We have some cases where one list is subscribed to another, so both insert their tags. In such cases the unwanted newline usually comes after the second tag (which was the first one inserted). For instance: Subject: [Mentors] [Trainees] Plans for the upcoming Spring Training sessions beginning in March I've checked that the list name tag doesn't contain a stray newline! (Besides, then the bad break would show up with shorter Subjects.) Also I've tried sending messages through with Subject lines like that (but on one line), including the list tags, and they come through okay. So it seems to be connected with the listname tag insertion, and not a matter of general wrapping being done on Subect lines. >Thanks. > And thanks from me too, Mitch Marks -- Mitchell Marks CUIP Tech Coordinator http://cuip.uchicago.edu CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project 5640 S Ellis Ave AAC-045, Univ of Chgo, Chgo IL 60637 Telephone: Ofc 773-702-6041 Fax 702-8212 Home (v.m. only, ok any time) 241-7166 Email: Primary address: mitch at cuip.uchicago.edu Alternate UofC addresses (use especially to report problems with cuip.uchicago.edu): mitchell at cs.uchicago.edu and mmar at midway.uchicago.edu Off-campus (ISP) address: mmarks at pobox.com The incandescent Dawggies And the flu-o-rescent Katz With their looking-glassy futures And those Samsonited pasts From jimpop at rocketship.com Mon Feb 17 02:46:28 2003 From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 20:46:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman's Host Name & sendmail's Virtual Users In-Reply-To: <1045427594.1610.84.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Carnes > Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 3:33 PM > > In my experience, Sendmail .... is not an optimized MTA. Here is where I jump in... :) Sendmail is easily optimized, but most people who install it don't need that kind of setup and config. Sendmail is secure, it is made to handle high volume loads, and it is very, very customizable. -Jim P. (how's that for starting a religious war?) From kmastin at beechtree.ca Mon Feb 17 03:07:25 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 21:07:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman's Host Name & sendmail's Virtual Users In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030216140958.00bb67c0@bama.ua.edu> Message-ID: >At 03:00 PM 2/16/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >>Hope I'm not too far out of line here, but I gotta say it. If this is your >>first mail server, you might find that postfix is easier to setup and >>understand. Virtual tables make a lot more sense and you can edit the >>config file (main.cf) directly rather than running it through m4. >> >>What you are trying to do can be done in postfix in about a minute, by >>creating one file, adding a line or two to the main.cf file and running >>postfix reload. (As long as you dns is set up correctly, that is.) > >Thanks, Keith. Postfix sounds intriguing. > >This *is* the first *mail* server I've set up--although I've been involved >with listservers for over a decade. (I'm a recent Linux convert.) I've >heard horror stories about sendmail. So, I'm definitely not wedded to it. > >I browsed by www.postfix.org and saw that there also seem to be some MySQL >connections for Postfix, which makes it even more intriguing. > >Do you happen to know if Postfix and RedHat 8 play well together? > >Thanks for the tip. I haven't installed Redhat-8.* yet, but AFAIK postfix is included as an rpm in the packages. You will need to rpm -e sendmail* to get it to work, but from there on in it's a drop-in replacement with a good support list. HTH From kmastin at beechtree.ca Mon Feb 17 03:45:44 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 21:45:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman's Host Name & sendmail's Virtual Users In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jon Carnes >> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 3:33 PM >> >> In my experience, Sendmail .... is not an optimized MTA. > >Here is where I jump in... :) Sendmail is easily optimized, but most people >who install it don't need that kind of setup and config. Sendmail is >secure, it is made to handle high volume loads, and it is very, very >customizable. > >-Jim P. > >(how's that for starting a religious war?) How's this for a reply: man sendmail :) From jimpop at rocketship.com Mon Feb 17 04:47:34 2003 From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 22:47:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman's Host Name & sendmail's Virtual Users In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Mastin > Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 9:46 PM > > How's this for a reply: man sendmail > :) > That's just too much like saying RTFM! :) -Jim P. From claw at kanga.nu Mon Feb 17 05:35:52 2003 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 20:35:52 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman's Host Name & sendmail's Virtual Users In-Reply-To: Message from "Jim Popovitch" References: Message-ID: <7561.1045456552@kanga.nu> On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 22:47:34 -0500 Jim Popovitch wrote: > That's just too much like saying RTFM! :) `apt-get install exim` -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From s.attwell at cqu.edu.au Mon Feb 17 07:37:48 2003 From: s.attwell at cqu.edu.au (Simon Attwell) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:37:48 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting an enterprise from Majordomo to Mailman. Message-ID: All, A simple question really. How do you handle Majordomo admin requests with Mailman. i.e. I have 2500 mailing lists and a lot of documentation in print That references sending email to majordomo at cqu.edu.au with Subscribe in the message body. I've browsed the archives for this list, and looked through the INSTALL, README files from source but have yet to find the answer. - Simon -- Simon Attwell Unix Systems Administrator Corporate Systems Administration Information Technology Division Central Queensland University Phone: +61-7-49309829 Email: s.attwell at cqu.edu.au From simon at mtds.com Mon Feb 17 09:19:37 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:19:37 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Harvesting addresses In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030215122236.03aa5cf0@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030217081937.GA998@mtds.com> 15-Feb-03 at 07:52, Paul Kleeberg (paul at fpen.org) wrote : > That seems to work in some but not all cases for me. Where can I > find the grammar for the "/[^+" stuff so I can fiddle with it myself. > Is there a URL? Remember, I am clueless - except for my paranoia... man regexp, regex, pcre might get you started. http://internetconnection.net/support/tech-regularexp.shtml is what Google just pulled up for me. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. simon at mtds.com. Folding at home no log script yet...] Madness is rare in individuals - but in groups, parties, nations, and ages it is the rule. --Friedrich Nietzsche [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.] From simon at mtds.com Mon Feb 17 09:59:04 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:59:04 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation and Window In-Reply-To: <13140.1045381420@kanga.nu> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030214182220.009ea450@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <13140.1045381420@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <20030217085904.GC998@mtds.com> 15-Feb-03 at 23:43, J C Lawrence (claw at kanga.nu) wrote : > On Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:23:31 -0400 > Cody Harris wrote: > > > Is it possible to install mailman on a Windows 98 box? > > Probably but nobody has either bothered or had sufficient interest to. Very old hardware running Linux would give you as good a performance (probably) as some new Windows98 box. Cygwin will probably run Mailman, that might run in Win98, but again, I'd put up a Pentium 133MHz with just Linux instead of losing a lot of time putting Mailman on Win98. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. simon at mtds.com. Folding at home no log script yet...] In a time of universal lies, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.] From hchs at ns.sympatico.ca Mon Feb 17 14:58:40 2003 From: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca (Cody Harris) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:58:40 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Challenge Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030217095500.009f1650@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Heh, if anyone wants to, they can try to install Mailman on my Win32 box. I have, uh, never used Python so it'd be stupid for me to try. If anyone does, they should give the good folks at Mailman (developers) a hint that they should make a Win32 release of it. That is, if it works. It's an open market, and if someone wants to make an offer, e-mail me back at hchs at ns.sympatico.ca. heh, good luck anyone who tries. Cody Check out http://vectec.net for all your hosting needs From simon at mtds.com Mon Feb 17 15:16:25 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:16:25 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Challenge In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030217095500.009f1650@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030217095500.009f1650@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20030217141625.GB1799@mtds.com> 17-Feb-03 at 09:58, Cody Harris (hchs at ns.sympatico.ca) wrote : > Heh, if anyone wants to, they can try to install Mailman on my Win32 box. I > have, uh, never used Python so it'd be stupid for me to try. If anyone > does, they should give the good folks at Mailman (developers) a hint that > they should make a Win32 release of it. That is, if it works. It's an open > market, and if someone wants to make an offer, e-mail me back at > hchs at ns.sympatico.ca. > heh, good luck anyone who tries. I would stab a guess that Windows would work. Since the product is free, the market doesn't really matter. Getting an MTA to talk with Win32 might be harder, but apparently Exim and maybe Postfix will work under cygwin. Python already exists for Win32. I don't see your point though. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. simon at mtds.com. Folding at home no log script yet...] /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ / Respect for open standards X No HTML/RTF in email / \ No M$ Word docs in email From hchs at ns.sympatico.ca Mon Feb 17 15:09:17 2003 From: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca (Cody Harris) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:09:17 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Challenge In-Reply-To: <20030217141625.GB1799@mtds.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030217095500.009f1650@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20030217095500.009f1650@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030217100800.009f1830@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Why not make a release of it? The wider the user range, the more popular. If nobody will take any interest, so be it. At 10:16 AM 2/17/03, you wrote: >17-Feb-03 at 09:58, Cody Harris (hchs at ns.sympatico.ca) wrote : > > Heh, if anyone wants to, they can try to install Mailman on my Win32 > box. I > > have, uh, never used Python so it'd be stupid for me to try. If anyone > > does, they should give the good folks at Mailman (developers) a hint that > > they should make a Win32 release of it. That is, if it works. It's an open > > market, and if someone wants to make an offer, e-mail me back at > > > hchs at ns.sympatico.ca. > > > heh, good luck anyone who tries. > >I would stab a guess that Windows would work. Since the product is free, >the market doesn't really matter. > >Getting an MTA to talk with Win32 might be harder, but apparently Exim >and maybe Postfix will work under cygwin. > >Python already exists for Win32. > >I don't see your point though. > >-- >[Simon White. vim/mutt. simon at mtds.com. Folding at home no log script yet...] > /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign > \ / Respect for open standards > X No HTML/RTF in email > / \ No M$ Word docs in email Check out vectec.net for all your hosting needs From wahorn at aace.com Mon Feb 17 15:41:46 2003 From: wahorn at aace.com (Ashley Horn) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:41:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footers being attached as txt file Message-ID: <006001c2d692$b2844f60$fa64a8c0@ASHLEY> I just upgraded to Mailman 2.1.1, after using older version for 2 years or so I think, and I have a problem. When sending mail in plain text footers are added fine. When sending mail in HTML or MS Rich Text footers are added as a plain text attachment. I have found some references in the archives to this but no solid solutions. Suggestions? Ashley Horn From simon at mtds.com Mon Feb 17 15:44:47 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:44:47 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Challenge In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030217100800.009f1830@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030217095500.009f1650@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20030217095500.009f1650@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20030217100800.009f1830@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20030217144447.GG1799@mtds.com> 17-Feb-03 at 10:09, Cody Harris (hchs at ns.sympatico.ca) wrote : > Why not make a release of it? The wider the user range, the more popular. > If nobody will take any interest, so be it. If only it were that simple. Usually, releasing something (as a binary) for Windows means BUYING a compiler from Micro$oft or Borland (if they indeed still exist) and "porting" the application to use all the wierd and wonderful system calls that the Win32 OS uses. Mailman may be a bit of an exception since it's mostly in Python, but it uses some C calls here and there IIRC. Now, if someone has a copy of VisualC, wants to get it all working nicely, and put it "out there", and cover the issue of getting it to integrate with an MTA or really getting the now built-in MTA (again, I think this is right) then it might work on Windows. But you'd STILL be better off running it on Linux/FreeBSD because that's where it's originally "native", and I can only assume that Open Source is the general philosophy of most list members. Maybe you're not understanding where most Open Source people (programmers, developers, users, sysadmins) are coming from. http://journalism.berkeley.edu/projects/biplog/archive/000382.html There are loads of articles like this, try: http://slashdot.org/search.pl?topic=109 Regards, -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. simon at mtds.com. Folding at home no log script yet...] UNIX is basically a simple operating system, but you have to be a genius to understand the simplicity. -- Dennis Ritchie [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.] From alex at phred.org Mon Feb 17 15:56:36 2003 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 06:56:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Challenge In-Reply-To: <20030217141625.GB1799@mtds.com> Message-ID: <20030217065454.L64168-100000@phred.org> On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Simon White wrote: > Getting an MTA to talk with Win32 might be harder, but apparently Exim > and maybe Postfix will work under cygwin. Windows 2000 comes with a SMTP server too. Making it work with Mailman would be a little tricky though. As shipped it is only meant to relay email to remote servers and drops all local email into a drop directory. You could write a program to pick up mail from there and deliver it to mailman, or you could write a local delivery driver which does the same thing. alex From simon at mtds.com Mon Feb 17 16:11:23 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:11:23 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footers being attached as txt file In-Reply-To: <006001c2d692$b2844f60$fa64a8c0@ASHLEY> References: <006001c2d692$b2844f60$fa64a8c0@ASHLEY> Message-ID: <20030217151123.GE1963@mtds.com> 17-Feb-03 at 09:41, Ashley Horn (wahorn at aace.com) wrote : > I just upgraded to Mailman 2.1.1, after using older version for 2 years > or so I think, and I have a problem. When sending mail in plain text > footers are added fine. When sending mail in HTML or MS Rich Text > footers are added as a plain text attachment. I have found some > references in the archives to this but no solid solutions. Suggestions? Not easy. HTML could be ruined if the footer is just appended to it, so it appears the footer is added as an attachment if message content is not plain text. There's no easy solution. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. simon at mtds.com. Folding at home no log script yet...] History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon. -- Napoleon Bonaparte [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.] From wahorn at aace.com Mon Feb 17 16:23:46 2003 From: wahorn at aace.com (Ashley Horn) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:23:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footers being attached as txt file In-Reply-To: <20030217151123.GE1963@mtds.com> Message-ID: <008a01c2d698$904fb0f0$fa64a8c0@ASHLEY> Unfortunately I found several references saying that this behavior was fixed in 2.1.1. BTW, I'm sending this in MS Rich Text as an experiment. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+wahorn=aace.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+wahorn=aace.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Simon White Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:11 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footers being attached as txt file 17-Feb-03 at 09:41, Ashley Horn (wahorn at aace.com) wrote : > I just upgraded to Mailman 2.1.1, after using older version for 2 > years or so I think, and I have a problem. When sending mail in plain > text footers are added fine. When sending mail in HTML or MS Rich Text > footers are added as a plain text attachment. I have found some > references in the archives to this but no solid solutions. > Suggestions? Not easy. HTML could be ruined if the footer is just appended to it, so it appears the footer is added as an attachment if message content is not plain text. There's no easy solution. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. simon at mtds.com. Folding at home no log script yet...] History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon. -- Napoleon Bonaparte [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.] ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: wahorn at aace.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/wahorn%40aace.com From simon at mtds.com Mon Feb 17 16:42:00 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:42:00 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footers being attached as txt file In-Reply-To: <008a01c2d698$904fb0f0$fa64a8c0@ASHLEY> References: <20030217151123.GE1963@mtds.com> <008a01c2d698$904fb0f0$fa64a8c0@ASHLEY> Message-ID: <20030217154200.GJ1963@mtds.com> 17-Feb-03 at 10:23, Ashley Horn (wahorn at aace.com) wrote : > Unfortunately I found several references saying that this behavior was > fixed in 2.1.1. BTW, I'm sending this in MS Rich Text as an experiment. Looked OK to me. Maybe it was fixed, and maybe I'm not running the most recent version. Sorry, I am behind the times then :) -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. simon at mtds.com. Folding at home no log script yet...] The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet. [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.] From kmastin at beechtree.ca Mon Feb 17 18:03:42 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 12:03:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Challenge In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030217095500.009f1650@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: >Heh, if anyone wants to, they can try to install Mailman on my Win32 box. I >have, uh, never used Python so it'd be stupid for me to try. If anyone >does, they should give the good folks at Mailman (developers) a hint that >they should make a Win32 release of it. That is, if it works. It's an open >market, and if someone wants to make an offer, e-mail me back at >hchs at ns.sympatico.ca. >heh, good luck anyone who tries. > >Cody Why would anyone want to run mailman on a win32 platform? Or any other server app, for that matter? It's like trying to move a house with a volkswagen... yes, it's possible, but it doesn't make any sense. Did you fix the holes in your server yet? From Robert at Menschel.net Sun Feb 16 08:47:21 2003 From: Robert at Menschel.net (Robert Menschel) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 23:47:21 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archive cleanup query Message-ID: <18337643859.20030215234721@Menschel.net> Dear Sirs, Thank you for providing the Mailman mailing list software, which is part of the service provided to me by the host for our menschel.net web space. We have begun using this as a mailing list for our family members and friends, and believe it will do the job very nicely. The one problem we have is that many of our early messages are "test" messages. I'd like to clean these test messages out of the archives, so only actual communications are left in the archives. I don't find anything in the administrative menus which allow the deletion of any single message from the archives. Did I miss it? If not, would it be possible to include this option as a feature in a future release? Many thanks for your time and attention. Bob Menschel From Kc2aup at aol.com Mon Feb 17 08:14:07 2003 From: Kc2aup at aol.com (Kc2aup at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 02:14:07 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: mass mailing..... Message-ID: <182.17114480.2b81e5bf@aol.com> From clayno at mail.w4cl.net Mon Feb 17 19:11:28 2003 From: clayno at mail.w4cl.net (Charles Layno) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:11:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email subscribing Message-ID: <200302171311.28861.clayno@w4cl.net> Are there "command line" commands like majordomo for subscribing and unsubscribing. I have a database list that I wish to have it subscribe and unsubscribe to a Mailman list and I can't use HTML obviously. Has anyone done this before? From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Mon Feb 17 19:21:07 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:21:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archive cleanup query In-Reply-To: <18337643859.20030215234721@Menschel.net>; from Robert@Menschel.net on Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 11:47:21PM -0800 References: <18337643859.20030215234721@Menschel.net> Message-ID: <20030217132107.A4567@dogpound.vnet.net> * Robert Menschel (Robert at Menschel.net) wrote: > The one problem we have is that many of our early messages are "test" > messages. I'd like to clean these test messages out of the archives, so > only actual communications are left in the archives. I don't find > anything in the administrative menus which allow the deletion of any > single message from the archives. I thought this was in the FAQ, if its not, it should be. I'll see about adding it later if its not there. check this thread on the list archives. http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg14816.html -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Palindrome isn't one. From karl at tug.org Mon Feb 17 19:22:20 2003 From: karl at tug.org (Karl Berry) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 19:22:20 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sys.exit(0) causes no cgi output Message-ID: <200302171822.h1HIMKr08451@tug.org> Red Hat 7.2 (i686), apache 1.3.26, python 2.2.2, mailman 2.1.1 (also happened with 2.1). After applying the htdig patches, we found that calls to http://.../mailman/htdig/... got an internal server error (HTTP 500). (An example full url: http://tug.org/mailman/htdig/pdftex/2002-July/002843.html.) It turned out that nothing was being written to stdout, that is, in driver.py we have the following block: try: try: sys.stderr = logger sys.stdout = tempstdout main() sys.__stdout__.write(tempstdout.getvalue()) finally: sys.stderr = sys.__stderr__ sys.stdout = sys.__stdout__ except SystemExit: # This is a valid way for the function to exit. pass The sys.__stdout__.write(tempstdout.getvalue()) statement was not getting executed, so apache had no headers to send back, thus the ISE. Instead, the main() call was jumping to the finally block and then the except SystemExit block. Why? Because of the sys.exit(0) at the end of htdig.py. If that is changed to `return', it works. So, apparently sys.exit(0) is throwing a SystemExit exception, which I guess is logical enough. Since not every sys.exit(0) can be changed to return (e.g., the one in error_quit in htdig.py), for now I changed driver.py so that the `except SystemExit' also does the write: except SystemExit: # This is a valid way for the function to exit. sys.__stdout__.write(tempstdout.getvalue()) pass (Well, actually, I changed cgi-wrapper.c to invoke xdriver and changed it in a new script xdriver.py to avoid possibly disturbing all the other mailman cgi scripts.) Of course, there are sys.exit's scattered everywhere throughout all the *.py files, not just in htdig.py. So I feel like I must be missing something. How can it be working for every other script (at least I guess it is), and no one else is seeing the problem? Or does driver.py really need to be changed? Any info appreciated, this has been a frustrating morning. Thanks, karl at tug.org From admin at cs.montana.edu Mon Feb 17 19:41:46 2003 From: admin at cs.montana.edu (Lucas Albers) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:41:46 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error:FW: Cron /usr/bin/python2 -S/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled Message-ID: I keep on getting the following errors from mailman. The permissions for that file are thus: -rwxrwxr-x 1 apache mailman 6023 Feb 14 10:03 config.pck -rw-rw---- 1 apache mailman 6023 Feb 14 10:03 config.pck.last -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 3707 Feb 13 19:20 digest.mbox -rw-rw-r-- 1 apache mailman 29 Feb 14 10:03 request.db Any idea what the permissions should be? > --Luke > --Computer Science Sysadmin, MSU Bozeman > --admin(AT)cs.montana.edu 994-3931 -----Original Message----- From: Cron Daemon [mailto:root at web1.cs.montana.edu] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 9:00 AM To: mailman at web1.cs.montana.edu Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python2 -S/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled", line 209, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled", line 202, in main mlist.Save() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 505, in Save self.__save(dict) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 463, in __save fp = open(fname_tmp, 'w') IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/cs223/config.pck.tmp.web1.cs.montana.edu.19278' From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Mon Feb 17 19:45:45 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:45:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email subscribing In-Reply-To: <200302171311.28861.clayno@w4cl.net>; from clayno@mail.w4cl.net on Mon, Feb 17, 2003 at 01:11:28PM -0500 References: <200302171311.28861.clayno@w4cl.net> Message-ID: <20030217134545.A5076@dogpound.vnet.net> * Charles Layno (clayno at mail.w4cl.net) wrote: > Are there "command line" commands like majordomo for subscribing and > unsubscribing. I have a database list that I wish to have it subscribe and > unsubscribe to a Mailman list and I can't use HTML obviously. I think your talking about the commands sent to the list thru the subject line and such.. Send a message with 'help' in either the subject or the body to listname-request at listhost That will give you a list of known commands. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Palindrome isn't one. From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com Mon Feb 17 20:00:16 2003 From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:00:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error:FW: Cron /usr/bin/python2 -S/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030217135856.02837130@192.168.0.3> At 01:41 PM 2/17/2003, Lucas Albers wrote: >I keep on getting the following errors from mailman. >The permissions for that file are thus: >-rwxrwxr-x 1 apache mailman 6023 Feb 14 10:03 config.pck >-rw-rw---- 1 apache mailman 6023 Feb 14 10:03 config.pck.last >-rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 3707 Feb 13 19:20 digest.mbox >-rw-rw-r-- 1 apache mailman 29 Feb 14 10:03 request.db > >Any idea what the permissions should be? From the /home/mailman directory, run bin/check_perms and see what it tells you. Larry > > --Luke > > --Computer Science Sysadmin, MSU Bozeman > > --admin(AT)cs.montana.edu 994-3931 From Tspeight at rockygorge.com Mon Feb 17 20:03:35 2003 From: Tspeight at rockygorge.com (Tspeight at rockygorge.com) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:03:35 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Known bug with confirmation string & excessive bounces Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030217105852.03325008@mail.rockygorge.com> I have sent this in before but I guess the powers that be are NOT interested. There is definitely something wrong with the bounce process with regards to the Confirmation string. The first time I reported this the problem occurred on the Mailman-users list. The other times it is occurring on a list that I host. This is not a random problem. On 14 January 2003, I received the following message: "Your membership in the mailing list Mailman-Users has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 14-Jan-2003." On 13 February 2003, I received the following message: "Your membership in the mailing list Mailman-Users has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 14-Jan-2003." The confirmation sting that was sent on both times follows. 37037b7a051f71a816e27e8e0b9ba82aaf107f7b The confirmation string has been invalid each time! Further on one of my lists a member received a confirmation string but his account was okay. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? Thomas From david at midrange.com Mon Feb 17 20:28:40 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:28:40 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: A Known bug with confirmation string & excessive bounces References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030217105852.03325008@mail.rockygorge.com> Message-ID: wrote in message news:5.1.0.14.2.20030217105852.03325008 at mail.rockygorge.com... > There is definitely something wrong with the bounce process > with regards to the Confirmation string. Yeah, I think I've seen something like that ... but I have no hard evidence to back it up. david From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com Mon Feb 17 20:31:41 2003 From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:31:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Known bug with confirmation string & excessive bounces In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030217105852.03325008@mail.rockygorge.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030217142725.02829d90@192.168.0.3> At 02:03 PM 2/17/2003, Tspeight at rockygorge.com wrote: >I have sent this in before but I guess the powers that be are NOT interested. > There is definitely something wrong with the bounce process with > regards to the Confirmation string. > >The first time I reported this the problem occurred on the Mailman-users >list. The other times it is occurring on a list that I host. This is not >a random problem. > >On 14 January 2003, I received the following message: >"Your membership in the mailing list Mailman-Users has been disabled due >to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 14-Jan-2003." > >On 13 February 2003, I received the following message: "Your membership in >the mailing list Mailman-Users has been disabled due to excessive bounces >The last bounce received from you was dated 14-Jan-2003." > >The confirmation sting that was sent on both times follows. >37037b7a051f71a816e27e8e0b9ba82aaf107f7b > >The confirmation string has been invalid each time! Further on one of my >lists a member received a confirmation string but his account was >okay. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? No, I've not seen it on any of the lists I manage -- about 120 of them -- and I've not had any problem with mailman-users list. I'm running Mailman 2.1.1 on all of our list servers. Larry >Thomas From wahorn at aace.com Mon Feb 17 20:50:36 2003 From: wahorn at aace.com (Ashley Horn) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:50:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sync_members error Message-ID: <00bd01c2d6bd$d6db6260$fa64a8c0@ASHLEY> I was trying out the /usr/local/mailman/bin/sync_members script and it seems to bomb with this error message: ------------------------------------------------------ Traceback (most recent call last): File "./sync_members", line 286, in ? main() File "./sync_members", line 259, in main s = email.Utils.formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace') UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) --------------------------------------------------------- I am using a text list with the format: "Real Name" It does seem to work if I don't include the real name so maybe my format is wrong? Any thoughts? Thanks, Ashley Horn From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Mon Feb 17 20:53:37 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:53:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email subscribing In-Reply-To: <200302171311.28861.clayno@w4cl.net> References: <200302171311.28861.clayno@w4cl.net> Message-ID: <20030217195337.GA15374@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Charles Layno wrote: > Are there "command line" commands like majordomo for subscribing and > unsubscribing. I have a database list that I wish to have it subscribe and > unsubscribe to a Mailman list and I can't use HTML obviously. In case you're talking about shell commands instead of email commands, which Matt provided an answer to, then you want to have a look at the scripts in ~mailman/bin. To add members, the conspicuously named add_members command should do what you want. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -- Alexis De Tocqueville. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+UT3Buv+09NZUB1oRApZGAKCvWYlgFohXUgAbqemh/ZxtcKKYJgCg6iAK wcg4fx/xjTdx+HxZKBzbu6I= =nZLq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 17 21:05:59 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 20:05:59 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error:FW: Cron /usr/bin/python2 -S/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030217195751.03c27800@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 18:41 17/02/2003, Lucas Albers wrote: >I keep on getting the following errors from mailman. >The permissions for that file are thus: >-rwxrwxr-x 1 apache mailman 6023 Feb 14 10:03 config.pck >-rw-rw---- 1 apache mailman 6023 Feb 14 10:03 config.pck.last >-rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 3707 Feb 13 19:20 digest.mbox >-rw-rw-r-- 1 apache mailman 29 Feb 14 10:03 request.db > >Any idea what the permissions should be? > > > > --Luke > > --Computer Science Sysadmin, MSU Bozeman > > --admin(AT)cs.montana.edu 994-3931 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Cron Daemon [mailto:root at web1.cs.montana.edu] >Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 9:00 AM >To: mailman at web1.cs.montana.edu >Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python2 >-S/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled > >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled", line 209, in ? > main() > File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled", line 202, in main > mlist.Save() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 505, in Save > self.__save(dict) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 463, in __save > fp = open(fname_tmp, 'w') >IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: >'/usr/local/mailman/lists/cs223/config.pck.tmp.web1.cs.montana.edu.19278' > Mine look like this: mailman at mailman2:/mailman/run/lists> ls -l total 16 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Feb 17 12:14 rbtest mailman at mailman2:/mailman/run/lists> ls -l rbtest/ total 64 -rw-rw---- 1 httpd mailman 4023 Feb 17 12:14 config.pck -rw-rw---- 1 httpd mailman 4023 Feb 17 12:14 config.pck.last -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 1502 Feb 17 12:07 digest.mbox -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 29 Feb 10 15:19 request.db Running $prefix/bin/check_perms might help clear things up. The permissions on your list's config.pck definitely look wrong. From hchs at ns.sympatico.ca Mon Feb 17 21:13:20 2003 From: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca (Cody Harris) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:13:20 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Challenge In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030217095500.009f1650@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030217161243.009f6ec0@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> I do, and no, i have not. If i knew how, i would. At 01:03 PM 2/17/03, you wrote: > >Heh, if anyone wants to, they can try to install Mailman on my Win32 box. I > >have, uh, never used Python so it'd be stupid for me to try. If anyone > >does, they should give the good folks at Mailman (developers) a hint that > >they should make a Win32 release of it. That is, if it works. It's an open > >market, and if someone wants to make an offer, e-mail me back at > >hchs at ns.sympatico a>.ca. > >heh, good luck anyone who tries. > > > >Cody > >Why would anyone want to run mailman on a win32 platform? Or any other >server app, for that matter? It's like trying to move a house with a >volkswagen... yes, it's possible, but it doesn't make any sense. > >Did you fix the holes in your server yet? > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/hchs%40ns.sympatico.ca Check out vectec.net for all your hosting needs From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 17 22:11:39 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 21:11:39 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Challenge In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030217161243.009f6ec0@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030217095500.009f1650@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030217210058.03c34cb0@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 20:13 17/02/2003, Cody Harris wrote: >I do, and no, i have not. If i knew how, i would. > >At 01:03 PM 2/17/03, you wrote: >> >Heh, if anyone wants to, they can try to install Mailman on my Win32 box. I >> >have, uh, never used Python so it'd be stupid for me to try. If anyone >> >does, they should give the good folks at Mailman (developers) a hint that >> >they should make a Win32 release of it. That is, if it works. It's an open >> >market, and if someone wants to make an offer, e-mail me back at >> >hchs at ns.sympatico> c a>.ca. >> >heh, good luck anyone who tries. >> > >> >Cody >> >>Why would anyone want to run mailman on a win32 platform? Or any other >>server app, for that matter? It's like trying to move a house with a >>volkswagen... yes, it's possible, but it doesn't make any sense. >> >>Did you fix the holes in your server yet? Why not use Win 98 as a server platform on which to run Mailman? Quite simply because it is not a robust Operating System with any real pretensions to being even a modestly secure server platform. Win 98, 98SE and ME have never been proposed for such use, even by Microsoft, and for the good reasons that they are not suitable for it. Expending effort on getting Mailman to run on Win 98 is a waste of effort. Win NT has no future but might have been an arguable case, Win 2k and XP also an arguable case. But, if you've got modest Wintel hardware,the best way to exploit it is with Linux. For effectively nothing, you get a robust, secure server platform which will do more work under Linux that under a modern Micrososft OS. From webperson at now.org Mon Feb 17 22:05:34 2003 From: webperson at now.org (NOW Website Coordinator) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:05:34 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list_members traceback error with ASCII character Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030217125810.00e45b30@now.org> I also am having a problem with list_members in 2.1.1. I got the following traceback when I use list_members -f : Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members", line 232, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members", line 207, in main s = formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace') UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) It works if I don't use the "-f" option, but I need that option. I found a previous person having this problem as well, but not really a solution: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg15361.html check_db does not report any errors on this list. Ideas? From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com Mon Feb 17 22:44:31 2003 From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:44:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Challenge In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030217210058.03c34cb0@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030217161243.009f6ec0@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20030217095500.009f1650@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030217163756.02832080@192.168.0.3> At 04:11 PM 2/17/2003, you wrote: >At 20:13 17/02/2003, Cody Harris wrote: >Why not use Win 98 as a server platform on which to run Mailman? > >Quite simply because it is not a robust Operating System with any real >pretensions to being even a modestly secure server platform. Win 98, 98SE >and ME have never been proposed for such use, even by Microsoft, and for >the good reasons that they are not suitable for it. > >Expending effort on getting Mailman to run on Win 98 is a waste of effort. >Win NT has no future but might have been an arguable case, Win 2k and XP >also an arguable case. > >But, if you've got modest Wintel hardware,the best way to exploit it is >with Linux. For effectively nothing, you get a robust, secure server >platform which will do more work under Linux that under a modern Micrososft OS. I think that is the first time I've heard Microsoft accused of making an OS! Ha! Which platform do they sell that could be considered an OS? Certainly not Win98, as you indicated. I couldn't agree more, though, about setting up a Linux box to run the mail server, list server, etc., on. Then you don't have to worry about lost mail, etc., when you get the pop-up message on the Windows desktop that says, "Warning! Your mouse has moved, you must restart Windows OK" From kmastin at beechtree.ca Mon Feb 17 23:39:47 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 17:39:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Challenge In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030217163756.02832080@192.168.0.3> Message-ID: >At 04:11 PM 2/17/2003, you wrote: >>At 20:13 17/02/2003, Cody Harris wrote: >>Why not use Win 98 as a server platform on which to run Mailman? >> >>Quite simply because it is not a robust Operating System with any real >>pretensions to being even a modestly secure server platform. Win 98, 98SE >>and ME have never been proposed for such use, even by Microsoft, and for >>the good reasons that they are not suitable for it. >> >>Expending effort on getting Mailman to run on Win 98 is a waste of effort. >>Win NT has no future but might have been an arguable case, Win 2k and XP >>also an arguable case. >> >>But, if you've got modest Wintel hardware,the best way to exploit it is >>with Linux. For effectively nothing, you get a robust, secure server >>platform which will do more work under Linux that under a modern Micrososft OS. > >I think that is the first time I've heard Microsoft accused of making an >OS! Ha! Which platform do they sell that could be considered an >OS? Certainly not Win98, as you indicated. > >I couldn't agree more, though, about setting up a Linux box to run the mail >server, list server, etc., on. Then you don't have to worry about lost >mail, etc., when you get the pop-up message on the Windows desktop that >says, "Warning! Your mouse has moved, you must restart Windows OK" Here's a living example of the differences between the two systems, which might be extrapolated into more than just M$ vs linux or OSS vs proprietary... bacause M$, unfortunatley is not the only culprit in this little story. I have a client who just spent $400k on upgrading a stack of systems so they could use ACCPAC as an accounting system, and have it available from their remote sites through a VPN. The 16 desktop machines are all P4's running WinXPPro and Win2kPro with NexLand 4000+ Symantec VPN/Firewalls running on the respective site gateways. They did this on their own and on advice from the clowns who built all their machines for them and also, BTW, sold them ACCPAC and the hefty training fee. They had some network problems, and asked me to take a look to see if anything could be improved... They now need to dish out about 200 hours worth of service time because I found that they got invaded with a subseven trojan and and irc-flood backdoor that's sending all their keystrokes out to some lucky recipient. I have to install and run Sophos AV on every machine and probably rebuild all their firewall configs. Because they're running XP, I can't suggest that they allow me to drop in a linux firewall because of the bugs in the XP tcp/ip stack, not unless they agree to back down to Win2k, which they can no longer purchase licences and support for. In comparison, I run sql-ledger that does everything they bought ACCPAC to do. I run it on a AMD -based system that cost me $700 to build, and about 20 hours of time to configure it and secure the server system. I can access it from any point on the globe and feel secure because it's running through SSL. No trojans, no backdoors, no viruses. My firewall system is an old p166 with 198 MB RAM running iptables, portsentry, tripwire and swatch. I almost hate to show them... If any linux dudes were onboard at the time they were making the accounting system decision, I'm sure they would have gone with sql-ledger, a set of nice little firewall boxen and run the VPN tunnel with FreeSwan. Total cost of the upgrade would have been about $390k less. From claw at kanga.nu Tue Feb 18 00:40:46 2003 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:40:46 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Challenge In-Reply-To: Message from Cody Harris <5.2.0.9.0.20030217100800.009f1830@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030217095500.009f1650@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20030217095500.009f1650@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20030217100800.009f1830@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <30920.1045525246@kanga.nu> On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:09:17 -0400 Cody Harris wrote: > Why not make a release of it? The wider the user range, the more > popular. If nobody will take any interest, so be it. The simple fact that nobody has yet bothered with such a port pretty well indicates the lack of interest in such a port. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Tue Feb 18 01:10:06 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:10:06 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list_members traceback error with ASCII character References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030217125810.00e45b30@now.org> Message-ID: <3E5179DE.2040102@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> I suppose some member having latin-1 character in his fullname and your list preferred language is english. You may want to override the list preferred charset by putting following lines in mm_cfg.py def _(s): return s LC_DESCRIPTIONS['en'] = ( _('English (USA)'), 'iso-8859-1' ) del s or if you don't care the translation, simply LC_DESCRIPTIONS['en'] = ( 'English (International)', 'iso-8859-1') This will eliminate errors but still you will get unprintable charcters in '?'. If you need it printed, hack. Tokio NOW Website Coordinator wrote: > I also am having a problem with list_members in 2.1.1. I got the > following traceback when I use list_members -f : > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members", line 232, in ? > main() > File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members", line 207, in main > s = formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace') > UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) > > It works if I don't use the "-f" option, but I need that option. > > I found a previous person having this problem as well, but not really a > solution: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg15361.html > > check_db does not report any errors on this list. > > Ideas? > > From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Feb 18 01:34:45 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 17 Feb 2003 19:34:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting an enterprise from Majordomo to Mailman. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1045528489.2301.26.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> You could write a script that returns further instructions on how to subscribe to each list (and informing folks of the upgrade to Mailman). majordomo: | /usr/local/mailman/md-reply.sh #! /bin/bash ### md-reply.sh - a script to reply to old majordomo requests TO=`grep "From:" - |head -1 |cut -f2- -d: ` cat /usr/local/mailman/md-reply.txt |mail -s "Mailing List Help" $TO You could expand the script to actually look for the "subscribe" command and then attempt to subscribe the user... BTW: you might want to use a procmail script instead, but this is a good base for a lot of other mail oriented command sequences that you may want to play with (in the future). Have fun - Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-02-17 at 01:37, Simon Attwell wrote: > All, > > A simple question really. > How do you handle Majordomo admin requests with Mailman. > i.e. I have 2500 mailing lists and a lot of documentation in print > That references sending email to majordomo at cqu.edu.au with > Subscribe in the message body. > > I've browsed the archives for this list, and looked through the > INSTALL, README files from source but have yet to find the answer. > > - Simon > > -- > Simon Attwell > Unix Systems Administrator > Corporate Systems Administration > Information Technology Division > Central Queensland University > Phone: +61-7-49309829 > Email: s.attwell at cqu.edu.au > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From admin at cs.montana.edu Tue Feb 18 02:05:06 2003 From: admin at cs.montana.edu (Lucas Albers) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 18:05:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error:FW: Cron /usr/bin/python2 -S/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030217195751.03c27800@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks for the information on the permissions in your lists directories. I have made the following changes to the permissions on my lists files. I now have the following permissions: /usr/local/mailman/lists/*/config.pck -rwxrwxr-x 1 apache mailman /usr/local/mailman/lists/*/config.pck.last -rw-rw---- 1 apache mailman /usr/local/mailman/lists/*/digest.mbox -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman /usr/local/mailman/lists/*/request.db -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman Permissions on the lists directory are: /usr/local/mailman/lists/* drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman check_perm does not fix bad permissions on files in the lists directory. I had to manually set these permissions. When the cron jobs complete, I will be able to tell if I have the correct permissions. Check perms should check these permission on these directories and files, and set them to the correct permissions. > --Luke > --Computer Science Sysadmin, MSU Bozeman > --admin(AT)cs.montana.edu 994-3931 > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 1:06 PM > To: Lucas Albers; mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Error:FW: Cron > /usr/bin/python2 -S/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled > > At 18:41 17/02/2003, Lucas Albers wrote: > >I keep on getting the following errors from mailman. > >The permissions for that file are thus: > >-rwxrwxr-x 1 apache mailman 6023 Feb 14 10:03 config.pck > >-rw-rw---- 1 apache mailman 6023 Feb 14 10:03 config.pck.last > >-rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 3707 Feb 13 19:20 digest.mbox > >-rw-rw-r-- 1 apache mailman 29 Feb 14 10:03 request.db > > > >Any idea what the permissions should be? > > > > > > > --Luke > > > --Computer Science Sysadmin, MSU Bozeman > > > --admin(AT)cs.montana.edu 994-3931 > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Cron Daemon [mailto:root at web1.cs.montana.edu] > >Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 9:00 AM > >To: mailman at web1.cs.montana.edu > >Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python2 > >-S/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled > > > >Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled", line 209, in ? > > main() > > File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled", line 202, in main > > mlist.Save() > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 505, in Save > > self.__save(dict) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 463, in __save > > fp = open(fname_tmp, 'w') > >IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: > >'/usr/local/mailman/lists/cs223/config.pck.tmp.web1.cs.montana.edu.19278' > > > > Mine look like this: > > mailman at mailman2:/mailman/run/lists> ls -l > total 16 > drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Feb 17 12:14 rbtest > mailman at mailman2:/mailman/run/lists> ls -l rbtest/ > total 64 > -rw-rw---- 1 httpd mailman 4023 Feb 17 12:14 config.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 httpd mailman 4023 Feb 17 12:14 config.pck.last > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 1502 Feb 17 12:07 digest.mbox > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 29 Feb 10 15:19 request.db > > Running $prefix/bin/check_perms might help clear things up. > > The permissions on your list's config.pck definitely look wrong. From simon at mtds.com Tue Feb 18 09:33:32 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 08:33:32 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Challenge In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030217163756.02832080@192.168.0.3> Message-ID: <20030218083331.GA1549@mtds.com> 17-Feb-03 at 17:39, Keith Mastin (kmastin at beechtree.ca) wrote : > Because they're running XP, I can't suggest that they allow me to drop > in a linux firewall because of the bugs in the XP tcp/ip stack, not > unless they agree to back down to Win2k, which they can no longer > purchase licences and support for. Why not? Are you telling me that a Linux firewall in front of a load of XP machines is impossible, or breaks some licencing agreement, or something? -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. simon at mtds.com. Folding at home no log script yet...] When the bosses talk about improving productivity, they are never talking about themselves. [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.] From psancho at posta.unizar.es Tue Feb 18 13:08:52 2003 From: psancho at posta.unizar.es (Pilar Sancho) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:08:52 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] aliases Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030218130640.02672e90@posta.unizar.es> Someone knows where I can find information of in order that they serve all them you aliases that is necessary to put for every list: newlist: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post newlist" newlist-admin: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman admin newlist" newlist-bounces: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces newlist" newlist-confirm: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman confirm newlist" newlist-join: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman join newlist" newlist-leave: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman leave newlist" newlist-owner: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman owner newlist" newlist-request: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman request newlist" newlist-subscribe: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe newlist" newlist-unsubscribe: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe newlist" -- ________________________________________ Pilar Sancho Moreno Servicio de Inform?tica - ?rea de Sistemas. Universidad de Zaragoza Tf: 976 761000 ext 3210 mailto:psancho at posta.unizar.es ________________________________________ From david at kenpro.com.au Tue Feb 18 13:13:23 2003 From: david at kenpro.com.au (David) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 23:13:23 +1100 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] hotmail bouncing In-Reply-To: <1045150125.1614.21.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: On 13 Feb 2003, Jon Carnes wrote: > Some folks on the list have hypothesized that this is due to some spam > rules setup on hotmail servers (but not consistent across all their > servers). > > Try modifying SMTP_MAX_RCPTS (in the file mm_cfg.py): > # Ceiling on the number of recipients that can be specified > # in a single SMTP transaction. Set to 0 to submit the > # entire recipient list in one transaction. Only used with > # the SMTPDirect DELIVERY_MODULE. > # SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500 > SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 5 > > If that works, please let us know. SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 5 seems to have resolved the problem. The most recent post didn't bounce. OTOH, I've been having a few Hotmail people complaining that their emails to me (not list related) have bounced. I even wondered if Hotmail had blacklisted my domain in relation to this problem, but it's not uniform. Most mail gets through, although some bounce - 550. Hotmail is very frustrating. If only no-one used it :( I never have problems with proper mail addresses, either with Mailman or normal mail. > > > On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 08:12, Ivan Van Laningham wrote: > > Hi All-- > > > > David wrote: > > > > > > I've been running an announce only list for a couple of months. Hotmail > > > has bounced everything from the last two posts. It's pretty vanilla > > > stuff... some text and some url's. Nothing I can imagine them bouncing > > > for, unless there is something they don't like in Mailman headers. > > > > > > If anyone has any clues I'd be most grateful. A lot of our customers > > > unfortunately use these abominable hotmail things. > > > > > > > I have no answers, but I'd like them too;-) I don't seem to get as many > > as David gets, but every now and then hotmail will puke on half (half!) > > my subscribers. I think the last time was about two months ago. > > > > Metta, > > Ivan > > ---------------------------------------------- > > Ivan Van Laningham > > God N Locomotive Works > > http://www.pauahtun.org/ > > http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html > > Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 > > Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: david at kenpro.com.au > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/david%40kenpro.com.au > From paul at vet.fnt.hvu.nl Tue Feb 18 14:36:36 2003 From: paul at vet.fnt.hvu.nl (Paul Dekkers) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:36:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderation problem In-Reply-To: <3E4F7229.1080408@vet.fnt.hvu.nl> References: <3E4F7229.1080408@vet.fnt.hvu.nl> Message-ID: <3E5236E4.6050106@vet.fnt.hvu.nl> Hi, Hmm, maybe this are unresolvable issues? :-| I hope not... Paul Paul Dekkers wrote: > Hi, > > I installed Mailman-2.1.1 and was wondering if it's possible to moderate > all traffic by default for most|all users: I saw the option for > emergency moderation, and in that case all mail is held for moderation, > but it sounds a bit crue. > Besides: I kind of expected mailman would send the list-moderators a > mail that there is mail to be moderated. Especially for low-volume > mailinglists there can be a moderation request for every mail sent for > as far as I'm concerned. > > The last issue I found with mailman is that the password-reminder-option > is disabled for new users (?) in the general mailinglist-settings, but > new users still have their option to get a password-reminder every month > turned on: that doesn't seem so user-friendly to me (they can get a > reminder if they want to, but not by default.) > > Thank you for your help, > Paul > From kmastin at beechtree.ca Tue Feb 18 16:35:33 2003 From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 10:35:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Challenge In-Reply-To: <20030218083331.GA1549@mtds.com> Message-ID: >17-Feb-03 at 17:39, Keith Mastin (kmastin at beechtree.ca) wrote : >> Because they're running XP, I can't suggest that they allow me to drop >> in a linux firewall because of the bugs in the XP tcp/ip stack, not >> unless they agree to back down to Win2k, which they can no longer >> purchase licences and support for. > >Why not? Are you telling me that a Linux firewall in front of a load of >XP machines is impossible, or breaks some licencing agreement, or >something? No, XP is a hog on a linux network. There's some hacks you can do to the registry, but it's still not as fast and clean as using, for instance, Win2kPro on the same network. The references to licences is that we couldn't find any Win2kPro licences, and were told that they were taken off the shelf by M$ a few months back. From david at midrange.com Tue Feb 18 16:25:33 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:25:33 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: A Known bug with confirmation string & excessive bounces References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030217105852.03325008@mail.rockygorge.com> Message-ID: wrote in message news:5.1.0.14.2.20030217105852.03325008 at mail.rockygorge.com... > I have sent this in before but I guess the powers that be are NOT > interested. There is definitely something wrong with the bounce process > with regards to the Confirmation string. Now I can confirm this ... I've now had a number of complaints about the confirmation string's being considered invalid. david From david at midrange.com Tue Feb 18 16:37:40 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:37:40 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: A Known bug with confirmation string & excessive bounces References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030217105852.03325008@mail.rockygorge.com> Message-ID: wrote in message news:5.1.0.14.2.20030217105852.03325008 at mail.rockygorge.com... > I have sent this in before but I guess the powers that be are NOT > interested. There is definitely something wrong with the bounce process > with regards to the Confirmation string. Can anyone explain how confirmation strings are generated and how they are correlated to the users request? I have a theory, but need some information. david From Support at VLists.Net Tue Feb 18 16:57:59 2003 From: Support at VLists.Net (VLists.Net Support) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:57:59 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Known bug with confirmation string & excessive bounces In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030217142725.02829d90@192.168.0.3> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030217105852.03325008@mail.rockygorge.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20030218095759.00a56780@vlists.net> Altho I haven't seen the problem on any of the lists I run on my own server, I have experienced this exact problem on both mailman-users and mailman-developers lists here. What gets me about this is that altho it says I'm generating excessive bounces, I get the bounce notification just fine. But when I hit the URL, it gives me an invalid confirmation string. Also, I appear to be receiving email from both lists just fine until I get these notices. I might suggest that a change be made to the code that when these excessive bounce notices are sent, that the most recent bounce message be included with the notice. There is no reason for my mail to bounce. I've NEVER had mail bounce before. I suspect that the bouncing mail is probably really an address above or below mine in the database and that the excessive bounce process is off by one in the subscriber list when it decides to cut someone off, and as a result I get cut off instead of the address next to me which is the one that's really bouncing. Having the most recent bounce included in the notification would allow me, as a user, to take steps to prevent the bounces in the future, and prove whether it really was me or not that was bouncing. Otherwise this is a fairly unfriendly action being taken by mailman, imho. From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Tue Feb 18 17:03:19 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:03:19 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: sys.exit(0) causes no cgi output In-Reply-To: <200302171822.h1HIMKr08451@tug.org> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030218155342.03a010b0@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 18:22 17/02/2003, Karl Berry wrote: >Red Hat 7.2 (i686), apache 1.3.26, python 2.2.2, mailman 2.1.1 (also >happened with 2.1). > >After applying the htdig patches, we found that calls to >http://.../mailman/htdig/... got an internal server error (HTTP 500). >(An example full url: >http://tug.org/mailman/htdig/pdftex/2002-July/002843.html.) I take it that you did not apply patch #668685 per the instructions in $build/INSTALL.htdig-mm and as also noted in the comments on the sourceforge web page for patch #444884 Prerequisites ============ Prior to installing this patch you should also have installed the patch that provides enhanced indexing of Mailman archives see: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103 If you are using vanilla MM 2.1 final or 2.1.1 you will also need to apply: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=661138&group_id=103&atid=300103 which is a precursor to patch #444879. If you are using vanilla MM 2.1 final or 2.1.1 you will also need to apply: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=668685&group_id=103&atid=300103 I sometimes wonder why I bother to write these notes as so few people can be bothered to read them! >It turned out that nothing was being written to stdout, that is, in >driver.py we have the following block: > > try: > try: > sys.stderr = logger > sys.stdout = tempstdout > main() > sys.__stdout__.write(tempstdout.getvalue()) > finally: > sys.stderr = sys.__stderr__ > sys.stdout = sys.__stdout__ > except SystemExit: > # This is a valid way for the function to exit. > pass > >The sys.__stdout__.write(tempstdout.getvalue()) statement was not >getting executed, so apache had no headers to send back, thus the ISE. >Instead, the main() call was jumping to the finally block and then the >except SystemExit block. > >Why? Because of the sys.exit(0) at the end of htdig.py. If that is >changed to `return', it works. So, apparently sys.exit(0) is throwing a >SystemExit exception, which I guess is logical enough. > >Since not every sys.exit(0) can be changed to return (e.g., the one in >error_quit in htdig.py), for now I changed driver.py so that the `except >SystemExit' also does the write: > except SystemExit: > # This is a valid way for the function to exit. > sys.__stdout__.write(tempstdout.getvalue()) > pass > >(Well, actually, I changed cgi-wrapper.c to invoke xdriver and changed >it in a new script xdriver.py to avoid possibly disturbing all the other >mailman cgi scripts.) > >Of course, there are sys.exit's scattered everywhere throughout all the >*.py files, not just in htdig.py. So I feel like I must be missing >something. How can it be working for every other script (at least I >guess it is), and no one else is seeing the problem? Or does driver.py >really need to be changed? > >Any info appreciated, this has been a frustrating morning. > >Thanks, >karl at tug.org From simon at mtds.com Tue Feb 18 17:45:55 2003 From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:45:55 +0000 Subject: [OT] [Mailman-Users] Challenge In-Reply-To: References: <20030218083331.GA1549@mtds.com> Message-ID: <20030218164555.GA2804@mtds.com> 18-Feb-03 at 10:35, Keith Mastin (kmastin at beechtree.ca) wrote : > >17-Feb-03 at 17:39, Keith Mastin (kmastin at beechtree.ca) wrote : > >> Because they're running XP, I can't suggest that they allow me to drop > >> in a linux firewall because of the bugs in the XP tcp/ip stack, not > >> unless they agree to back down to Win2k, which they can no longer > >> purchase licences and support for. > > > >Why not? Are you telling me that a Linux firewall in front of a load of > >XP machines is impossible, or breaks some licencing agreement, or > >something? > > No, XP is a hog on a linux network. There's some hacks you can do to the > registry, but it's still not as fast and clean as using, for instance, > Win2kPro on the same network. > > The references to licences is that we couldn't find any Win2kPro licences, > and were told that they were taken off the shelf by M$ a few months back. Well the firewall doesn't care about internal traffic. You can block ports 137 and 139 and mostly, Windows networking is taken care of. Reply privately, perhaps, to continue the debate. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. simon at mtds.com. Folding at home no log script yet...] Tis better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. -- Abraham Lincoln [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.] From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com Tue Feb 18 18:02:44 2003 From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:02:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] hotmail bouncing In-Reply-To: References: <1045150125.1614.21.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030218115834.02872b40@192.168.0.3> At 07:13 AM 2/18/2003, David wrote: >On 13 Feb 2003, Jon Carnes wrote: > > > Some folks on the list have hypothesized that this is due to some spam > > rules setup on hotmail servers (but not consistent across all their > > servers). > > > > Try modifying SMTP_MAX_RCPTS (in the file mm_cfg.py): > > # Ceiling on the number of recipients that can be specified > > # in a single SMTP transaction. Set to 0 to submit the > > # entire recipient list in one transaction. Only used with > > # the SMTPDirect DELIVERY_MODULE. > > # SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500 > > SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 5 > > > > If that works, please let us know. > >SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 5 seems to have resolved the problem. The most recent >post didn't bounce. Are there any downsides to setting SMTP_MAX_RCPTS so low? Most of my lists are between 1,200 and 3,000 members each, and I'm wondering what the performance hit is to set this so low. I've not seen many problems with hotmail accounts bouncing, but fortunately we have very few of them. Larry From jerry at sandiego.edu Tue Feb 18 18:08:04 2003 From: jerry at sandiego.edu (Jerry Stratton) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:08:04 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Archive Link wrong if host_name set to default Message-ID: I've just upgraded from 2.0.13 to 2.1.1, and the "Go to list archive" link points to lists.sandiego.edu (the value of DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST in Defaults.py) as long as the list's "Host name this list prefers for email." is also set to lists.sandiego.edu. If I change "Host name this list prefers for email" to anything else, the "Go to list archive" link correctly changes to www.sandiego.edu (the value of DEFAULT_URL_HOST I have in mm_cfg.py). If I change "Host name this list prefers for email" back to lists.sandiego.edu, the "Go to list archive" link reverts back to the incorrect one (DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST); it appears that if "Host name this list prefers for email" is anything except lists.sandiego.edu (i.e., I can set it to fred.sandiego.edu, barney.sandiego.edu, procmail.sandiego.edu, some of them are valid, others not), then the "Go to list archive" link uses www.sandiego.edu. Otherwise, it uses lists.sandiego.edu. Why is this? How do I fix it? ("Host name this list prefers for email" has to remain lists.sandiego.edu.) Jerry -- jerry at sandiego.edu http://www.sandiego.edu/~jerry/ Serra 188B/x8773 -- "The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."--Douglas Adams (Mostly Harmless) From jdecarlo at mitre.org Tue Feb 18 18:41:46 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:41:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing Help Template In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030215113047.00bbbd18@bama.ua.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030215113047.00bbbd18@bama.ua.edu> Message-ID: <3E52705A.7030108@mitre.org> Jeremy, If you want to better understand the available commands by email, and can look at the Python and understand it, here is what I have figured out so far. Note that some of it may be wrong. :-) I started because I want the "who" command to return a section of people unsubscribed because of bounces. So far I have not succeeded. Start in the Mailman subdirectory, usually written something like ~mailman/Mailman. If you look in Utils.py, you will see ADMINDATA defined that lists all the commands available by mail. I would think that making changes here would allow you to add or delete commands, assuming you can figure out the rest. If you look at MailList.py, it seems to be playing a role, though I haven't figured it out, exactly. Then go into the subdirectory Commands (~mailman/Mailman/Commands). Here you will see the Python source for each of the defined commands, of the format 'cmd_command.py'. So the who command is in cmd_who.py. I can verify that changing cmd_who.py changes how Mailman responds to the who command via email. I have it closer to what I want, but not completely there. Note that I believe you need to restart mailmanctl after making changes so that Mailman takes note. Hope this helps. Jeremy Butler wrote: > I recently installed Mailman 2.1.1 and I'm interested in changing a few > things in the help template--that is, the message sent to users when > they send the help command (see below). > > What's got me confused is the section where the actual commands are listed: > > %(commands)s > > Obviously, this is a variable. Can it be customized somehow? -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From jdecarlo at mitre.org Tue Feb 18 18:50:59 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:50:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderation problem In-Reply-To: <3E4F7229.1080408@vet.fnt.hvu.nl> References: <3E4F7229.1080408@vet.fnt.hvu.nl> Message-ID: <3E527283.3080407@mitre.org> Paul, If you go to the Membership List section for web admin and go to the bottom, you will find: "Set everyone's moderation bit, including those members not currently visible". Change that to On and click on the Set button. Your list will now be one where all messages require the moderator's approval. (You could have set it up this way originally.) Moderators specified under the General Options will get a daily reminder to moderate messages. You can also have them get immediate messages of some sort of request (like moderate or subscribe). This is called: "Should the list moderators get immediate notice of new requests, as well as daily notices about collected ones?" Paul Dekkers wrote: > Hi, > > I installed Mailman-2.1.1 and was wondering if it's possible to moderate > all traffic by default for most|all users: I saw the option for > emergency moderation, and in that case all mail is held for moderation, > but it sounds a bit crue. > Besides: I kind of expected mailman would send the list-moderators a > mail that there is mail to be moderated. Especially for low-volume > mailinglists there can be a moderation request for every mail sent for > as far as I'm concerned. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From scratch at xmission.com Tue Feb 18 19:32:10 2003 From: scratch at xmission.com (Warren Woodward) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:32:10 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.01 and 2.1 side by side? Message-ID: <20030218113210.B11051@xmission.com> We have several hundred lists running on a 2.0.1 server, and frankly I'm more than a little concerned about attempting to move the server to 2.1 (if for no other reason than the prospective support nightmare of getting all these list owners used to the new code). But I have been impressed with the latest rev, and would like to offer it to my customers as well. Does anyone here have any real world experience running each version side by side on a single machine? Is this more pain than it's worth? Should we break down and buy a second server to host the latest rev? Or are there any supportive experiences to an upgrade on a level this large? I'm all ears for any suggestions. Thanks in advance. -- warren woodward XMission DSL Domo/Mailman warrenw at xmission.com (801) 303-0819 (877) XMISSION "The United States, as the world knows, will never start a war." -JFK, American University, June 10, 1963 From marilyn at deliberate.com Tue Feb 18 19:46:57 2003 From: marilyn at deliberate.com (Marilyn Davis) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 10:46:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.01 and 2.1 side by side? In-Reply-To: <20030218113210.B11051@xmission.com> Message-ID: I did this with no problem on my development machine, i.e., no real list traffic. I handle all list addresses through the alias file. If you are handling them inside exim, I don't know what to do to make it work. I just placed the two mailmen in different $config directories, which are reflected in the paths in the aliases. Good luck. Marilyn Davis On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Warren Woodward wrote: > We have several hundred lists running on a 2.0.1 server, and frankly I'm > more than a little concerned about attempting to move the server to 2.1 > (if for no other reason than the prospective support nightmare of getting > all these list owners used to the new code). But I have been impressed > with the latest rev, and would like to offer it to my customers as well. > > Does anyone here have any real world experience running each version side > by side on a single machine? Is this more pain than it's worth? Should > we break down and buy a second server to host the latest rev? Or are > there any supportive experiences to an upgrade on a level this large? I'm > all ears for any suggestions. Thanks in advance. > > > -- > warren woodward > XMission DSL > Domo/Mailman > warrenw at xmission.com > (801) 303-0819 > (877) XMISSION > > "The United States, as the world knows, will never start a war." > -JFK, American University, June 10, 1963 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: marilyn at deliberate.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/marilyn%40deliberate.com > From Clark.Cooper at vc3.com Tue Feb 18 19:50:39 2003 From: Clark.Cooper at vc3.com (Clark Cooper) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:50:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] modify a user's full name Message-ID: <00d801c2d77e$a1c998f0$28008d0a@sc.slr.com> In Mailman 2.1, is there a way from command line to make changes to the optional fullname of a given email address? thanks, Clark From paul at vet.fnt.hvu.nl Tue Feb 18 20:22:16 2003 From: paul at vet.fnt.hvu.nl (Paul Dekkers) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:22:16 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderation problem In-Reply-To: <3E527283.3080407@mitre.org> References: <3E4F7229.1080408@vet.fnt.hvu.nl> <3E527283.3080407@mitre.org> Message-ID: <3E5287E8.5070004@vet.fnt.hvu.nl> Hi, Ah, but there is no way to do this by default? (I guess when there are new user I have to specify that they require modification each time?) Thank you for pointing me at this option however, must have overlooked it - sorry :-| Now that this works I still bother about the other issue: when I disabled reminders once a month generally and new users still get this flag on by default there is something wrong, I guess? Isn't there any global value to set that it shouldn't happen in any case, not even when the user has this option in their personal setting? I don't want to bother a group of users (especially with a low-volume list) every month with reminders... Thank you, Paul John DeCarlo wrote: > Paul, > > If you go to the Membership List section for web admin and go to the > bottom, you will find: "Set everyone's moderation bit, including > those members not currently visible". > > Change that to On and click on the Set button. > > Your list will now be one where all messages require the moderator's > approval. (You could have set it up this way originally.) > > Moderators specified under the General Options will get a daily > reminder to moderate messages. > > You can also have them get immediate messages of some sort of request > (like moderate or subscribe). This is called: "Should the list > moderators get immediate notice of new requests, as well as daily > notices about collected ones?" > > Paul Dekkers wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I installed Mailman-2.1.1 and was wondering if it's possible to moderate >> all traffic by default for most|all users: I saw the option for >> emergency moderation, and in that case all mail is held for moderation, >> but it sounds a bit crue. >> Besides: I kind of expected mailman would send the list-moderators a >> mail that there is mail to be moderated. Especially for low-volume >> mailinglists there can be a moderation request for every mail sent for >> as far as I'm concerned. > > > From david at kenpro.com.au Wed Feb 19 01:07:27 2003 From: david at kenpro.com.au (David) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:07:27 +1100 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] hotmail bouncing In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030218115834.02872b40@192.168.0.3> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Larry Hansford wrote: > At 07:13 AM 2/18/2003, David wrote: > > > >On 13 Feb 2003, Jon Carnes wrote: > > > > > Some folks on the list have hypothesized that this is due to some spam > > > rules setup on hotmail servers (but not consistent across all their > > > servers). > > > > > > Try modifying SMTP_MAX_RCPTS (in the file mm_cfg.py): > > > # Ceiling on the number of recipients that can be specified > > > # in a single SMTP transaction. Set to 0 to submit the > > > # entire recipient list in one transaction. Only used with > > > # the SMTPDirect DELIVERY_MODULE. > > > # SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500 > > > SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 5 > > > > > > If that works, please let us know. > > > >SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 5 seems to have resolved the problem. The most recent > >post didn't bounce. > > Are there any downsides to setting SMTP_MAX_RCPTS so low? Most of my > lists are between 1,200 and 3,000 members each, and I'm wondering what the > performance hit is to set this so low. > > I've not seen many problems with hotmail accounts bouncing, but fortunately > we have very few of them. My list had about 50 hotmail accounts out of a total of 300. If anyone has any experience of a higher SMTP_MAX_RCPTS setting and hotmail, I would like to know about it too. "Trial and error" has it's limitations unless it's somebody else making the errors ;-) David From asnook at yourwebprojects.com Wed Feb 19 06:36:38 2003 From: asnook at yourwebprojects.com (Andrew Snook) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:36:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personalization with HTML Message-ID: <51266.139.142.50.1.1045632998.squirrel@mail.hostonfiber.com> Hi everyone, I am attempting to create a personalized mailing list that is sent in HTML format. I have successfully configured MailMan to allow for personalization, and after testing it have found it to work. What I would like to do is send out HTML e-mails where users will see "Dear Name" within an HTML table. I have discovered that putting "Dear %(user_name)s," within the content rather than within the header does not work. Nor does using HTML within the header. Is it possible to use the %(user_name)s within HTML? Thanks, Andrew ----------------------------------------- HostOnFiber - Premium Web Hosting http://www.hostonfiber.com/ From paul at fpen.org Wed Feb 19 18:42:34 2003 From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:42:34 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bulk subscribe in digest mode? In-Reply-To: <20030131145530.GA2427@mtds.com> References: <3E3A8743.5020101@hal-pc.org> <20030131145530.GA2427@mtds.com> Message-ID: I tried doing this with Mailman 2.1.1 and was unsuccessful. All new subscribers entered in to the "Mass Subscription" form in the Membership Management Section were added as receiving the regular delivery method regardless of whether regular or digest was selected in the "Digest Options" section. The default format of the digest (MIME vs Plain) was recorded accurately though even though the digest button was not selected. At 2:55 PM +0000 1/31/03, Simon White wrote: >31-Jan-03 at 08:25, Ignacio Valdes (ivaldes at hal-pc.org) wrote : >> Is there a way to mass subscribe users with digest mode as the default? > > Thanks, > > > >Otherwise, make digest the default, mass subscribe with the web tool, >then change the default (if necessary) back to normal mode. -- Paul Kleeberg paul at fpen.org From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Feb 19 19:08:54 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:08:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bulk subscribe in digest mode? In-Reply-To: References: <3E3A8743.5020101@hal-pc.org> <20030131145530.GA2427@mtds.com> Message-ID: <20030219180854.GA2031@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Paul Kleeberg wrote: > I tried doing this with Mailman 2.1.1 and was unsuccessful. All new > subscribers entered in to the "Mass Subscription" form in the > Membership Management Section were added as receiving the regular > delivery method regardless of whether regular or digest was selected > in the "Digest Options" section. The default format of the digest > (MIME vs Plain) was recorded accurately though even though the digest > button was not selected. That's a small bug (discussed here a week or so ago). It's fixed in CVS. See: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg15476.html http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mailman/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py.diff?r1=2.88&r2=2.87&diff_format=u - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Distrust any enterprise that requires new clothes. -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+U8g1uv+09NZUB1oRAiuIAJ9HGBScBu+clDj+LejTXiBD73j7owCfbNN0 WOu9SWowN/jDeDXAHRxXV+Y= =PGnd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chris.a.adams at state.or.us Wed Feb 19 20:42:01 2003 From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:42:01 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From: header Message-ID: <000e01c2d84e$f90eca60$0b7a799f@chris> I am using version 2.0.10 of Mailman. A list administrator has asked that the From: header show that all messages are coming from a specific address, as there are 4 people who do all the sending. By setting the Reply-to: Explicit Address, I can specify what address I want all replies to go to. I can also see that I can hide the sender's address and show just the list address. That gets me half way there. Is there a way to have all messages to the list appear to be coming from one specific address other than the list address no matter who is sending the message? I also plan to upgrade Mailman soon and possibly there are some new changes that I can take advantage of related to this issue. Christopher Adams Library Systems Analyst Oregon State Library 503-378-4243 x258 chris.a.adams at state.or.us From T.Brabetz at ee.qub.ac.uk Wed Feb 19 20:43:15 2003 From: T.Brabetz at ee.qub.ac.uk (Thorsten Brabetz) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 19:43:15 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From: header In-Reply-To: <000e01c2d84e$f90eca60$0b7a799f@chris> References: <000e01c2d84e$f90eca60$0b7a799f@chris> Message-ID: <200302191943.h1JJhFH01266@uwpc011.ee.qub.ac.uk> Dear All, I have here exactly the same problem, so any replies please, please, please, please, please over the list, and not just to Christopher... Thanks! Thorsten On Wednesday 19 February 2003 19:42, you wrote: > I am using version 2.0.10 of Mailman. A list > administrator has asked that the From: header show that > all messages are coming from a specific address, as there > are 4 people who do all the sending. By setting the > Reply-to: Explicit Address, I can specify what address I > want all replies to go to. I can also see that I can hide > the sender's address and show just the list address. That > gets me half way there. Is there a way to have all > messages to the list appear to be coming from one > specific address other than the list address no matter > who is sending the message? > > I also plan to upgrade Mailman soon and possibly there > are some new changes that I can take advantage of related > to this issue. > > > Christopher Adams > Library Systems Analyst > Oregon State Library > 503-378-4243 x258 > chris.a.adams at state.or.us > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: T.Brabetz at ee.qub.ac.uk > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/t.br >abetz%40ee.qub.ac.uk -- -------------------------------------------------- Thorsten Brabetz Queen's University Belfast Electrical & Electronic Eng. Ashby Building, Stranmillis Road BELFAST, BT9 5AH UNITED KINGDOM Tel.: +44.(0)28.9027-4089 Fax: +44.(0)28.9066 7023 E-mail: T.Brabetz at ee.qub.ac.uk UIN: 5003405 -------------------------------------------------- From sage at sjgames.com Wed Feb 19 21:29:11 2003 From: sage at sjgames.com (Sage) Date: 19 Feb 2003 14:29:11 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Word wrap in archives Message-ID: <1045686551.17759.11.camel@sysadmin.sjgames.com> My apologies if this has been brought up before, but I do not see any answers in the recent archives. The archive pages for my mailman lists do not automatically wrap the text of each message. Since these pages use the 
 tag to display the
message, each message consists of several very long lines that extend to
the right, forcing readers to scroll to the right in order to read the
message. This is a very big problem since many of my users cannot be
trusted to use a mail client that wraps the message for them. Can
mailman not be configured to automatically wrap all incoming messages at
around 75 characters by itself?

Does anyone have a possible solution to this?



From alex at phred.org  Wed Feb 19 21:35:26 2003
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:35:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Word wrap in archives
In-Reply-To: <1045686551.17759.11.camel@sysadmin.sjgames.com>
Message-ID: <20030219123200.N64168-100000@phred.org>

On 19 Feb 2003, Sage wrote:
> My apologies if this has been brought up before, but I do not see any
> answers in the recent archives.
>
> The archive pages for my mailman lists do not automatically wrap the
> text of each message. Since these pages use the 
 tag to display the
> message, each message consists of several very long lines that extend to
> the right, forcing readers to scroll to the right in order to read the
> message. This is a very big problem since many of my users cannot be
> trusted to use a mail client that wraps the message for them. Can
> mailman not be configured to automatically wrap all incoming messages at
> around 75 characters by itself?
>
> Does anyone have a possible solution to this?

You can use an external archiver that wraps.  I'm not sure if
MHonArc (the most popular external archiver) will wrap or not.
I'm using a homebrewed solution (http://search.bikelist.org) that
does.

There is also some commented out code in stripmime
(http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html) that wraps lines down
to 75 columns.  I don't remember what problems there might be
in there though, so if you want to use it make sure you test it
yourself.  The code is at lines 322 to 339.

alex



From asnook at yourwebprojects.com  Wed Feb 19 23:17:14 2003
From: asnook at yourwebprojects.com (Andrew Snook)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:17:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Full Personalization to Hotmail?
Message-ID: <50845.139.142.50.1.1045693034.squirrel@mail.hostonfiber.com>

Is it just me, or do Fully Personalized messages get filtered out by
hotmail?  When I have MailMan set up to use only semi-personalized
messages, it goes through fine.  Am I missing a setting in MailMan?

Andrew


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From simon at mtds.com  Wed Feb 19 23:39:10 2003
From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 22:39:10 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Full Personalization to Hotmail?
In-Reply-To: <50845.139.142.50.1.1045693034.squirrel@mail.hostonfiber.com>
References: <50845.139.142.50.1.1045693034.squirrel@mail.hostonfiber.com>
Message-ID: <20030219223910.GC1509@mtds.com>

19-Feb-03 at 15:17, Andrew Snook (asnook at yourwebprojects.com) wrote :
> Is it just me, or do Fully Personalized messages get filtered out by
> hotmail?  When I have MailMan set up to use only semi-personalized
> messages, it goes through fine.  Am I missing a setting in MailMan?

Don't know if this helps, but Hotmail checks headers, and if the hotmail
address isn't on the To: or CC: line, it goes to the Trash folder.

Regards,

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From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Wed Feb 19 23:41:53 2003
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:41:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another feature request (for email commands)
Message-ID: <20030219224153.GY20259@hq.newdream.net>

A couple other feature requests....

1) A setting which lets people confirm their own messages (as with TMDA)
- this way lists can stay open but still require some sort of
confirmation before letting a message through.

2) The response from email confirmation is the same, whether or not the
message is approved or discarded. Either way, it says:
"Confirmation succeeded"

Which is true, perhaps, but misleading and not that helpful... It would
be better if it said something like:

"Command succeeded. Action taken: Message discarded."
or
"Command succeeded. Action taken: Post approved."

-- 
"Since when is skepticism un-American?
Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")




From simar at rodriguezmanuel.com.ar  Wed Feb 19 23:52:36 2003
From: simar at rodriguezmanuel.com.ar (Manuel "SiMaR" Rodriguez)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 19:52:36 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe & Admin Password
Message-ID: <0a1d01c2d869$99d14670$7801a8c0@mmugar>

Why i can't unsubscribe members ?? like in previous version ( 2.0.13 )

In previous version i send a mail to list-request at domain.com   whith the
follow command i the subject

unsubscribe adminpassword address at domain2.com

i try in this version

unsubscribe adminpassword address=address at domain2.com

and don't work

PS: Sorry for my bad english

SiMaR
simar at rodriguezmanuel.com.ar


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From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Feb 20 00:26:30 2003
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:26:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another feature request (for email commands) 
In-Reply-To: Message from william+mm@hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) 
	<20030219224153.GY20259@hq.newdream.net> 
References: <20030219224153.GY20259@hq.newdream.net> 
Message-ID: <1198.1045697190@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:41:53 -0800 
Will Yardley  wrote:

> A couple other feature requests....  1) A setting which lets people
> confirm their own messages (as with TMDA) - this way lists can stay
> open but still require some sort of confirmation before letting a
> message through.

You're aware of my TMDA integration HOWTO on the user FAQ?

-- 
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---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
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From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Thu Feb 20 00:29:48 2003
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:29:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Another feature request (for email commands)
In-Reply-To: <1198.1045697190@kanga.nu>
References: <20030219224153.GY20259@hq.newdream.net>
	<1198.1045697190@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <20030219232948.GA20259@hq.newdream.net>

On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 03:26:30PM -0800, J C Lawrence wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:41:53 -0800 
> Will Yardley  wrote:
 
> > A couple other feature requests....  1) A setting which lets people
> > confirm their own messages (as with TMDA) - this way lists can stay
> > open but still require some sort of confirmation before letting a
> > message through.
 
> You're aware of my TMDA integration HOWTO on the user FAQ?

Yes, but it seems like the functionality is already pretty much there
(ie an email is sent if a message is held, and the poster can cancel
their message), so it seems like it would be pretty simple to add the
ability to confirm the message too.

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From bhilburn at frontier.net  Thu Feb 20 00:39:01 2003
From: bhilburn at frontier.net (Bill Hilburn)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:39:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help with HTML mail on "closed" list.
Message-ID: <1045697941.3e54159523c4e@webmail.frontier.net>


Hi All!

I have a list owner who needs to send HTML formatted email to his 
subscribers...

This is a real estate agent and the subscribers are people from all over the 
country that would like to see property listings, i.e. HTML layout & 
pictures...

No matter how I setup the list it does not seem to work right, can someone 
tell me how to allow HTML & MS Word docs through the list...

Thanks Everyone!


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From asnook at yourwebprojects.com  Thu Feb 20 01:04:26 2003
From: asnook at yourwebprojects.com (Andrew Snook)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:04:26 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Full Personalization to Hotmail?
In-Reply-To: <20030219223910.GC1509@mtds.com>
References: <50845.139.142.50.1.1045693034.squirrel@mail.hostonfiber.com>
        <20030219223910.GC1509@mtds.com>
Message-ID: <65148.24.79.231.152.1045699466.squirrel@mail.hostonfiber.com>

Thanks for the suggestion, however Full Personalization sends the email
out to the user using their full address in to To: line.  Why is it then
that e-mails sent out without Full Personalization (send out only to the
group rather than the individual in the To: line) work whereas
personalized ones do not?  I must be missing a setting or something.

> 19-Feb-03 at 15:17, Andrew Snook (asnook at yourwebprojects.com) wrote :
>> Is it just me, or do Fully Personalized messages get filtered out by
>> hotmail?  When I have MailMan set up to use only semi-personalized
>> messages, it goes through fine.  Am I missing a setting in MailMan?
>
> Don't know if this helps, but Hotmail checks headers, and if the hotmail
> address isn't on the To: or CC: line, it goes to the Trash folder.
>
> Regards,
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From khera at kcilink.com  Thu Feb 20 02:40:58 2003
From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 20:40:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Full Personalization to Hotmail?
In-Reply-To: <20030219223910.GC1509@mtds.com>
References: <50845.139.142.50.1.1045693034.squirrel@mail.hostonfiber.com>
	<20030219223910.GC1509@mtds.com>
Message-ID: <15956.12842.65639.71789@yertle.int.kciLink.com>

>>>>> "SW" == Simon White  writes:

SW> Don't know if this helps, but Hotmail checks headers, and if the hotmail
SW> address isn't on the To: or CC: line, it goes to the Trash folder.

So nobody having a hotmail.com address can receive this list?  Sounds
too bizarre to be true.


From simar at rodriguezmanuel.com.ar  Thu Feb 20 03:05:20 2003
From: simar at rodriguezmanuel.com.ar (Manuel "SiMaR" Rodriguez)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 23:05:20 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Unsubscribe & Admin Password
Message-ID: <0b9401c2d884$86719ab0$7801a8c0@mmugar>

I fix!! i modify de cmd_unsubscribe.py  and this work ok now.

I can unsubscribe members with de admin password

SiMaR


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From jtice at ntelos.net  Thu Feb 20 03:15:11 2003
From: jtice at ntelos.net (John Tice)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:15:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Controlling header & footer
Message-ID: 


Greetings,

How can one eliminate the extraneous links below the real header and 
above the message in posts? Also, my ISP adds several lines of 
anti-abuse headers. All this makes for amateur-looking, junked up 
posts. I want to clean it up. Is this possible? How does one do it?

Thanks,

John


From paul at fpen.org  Thu Feb 20 04:41:04 2003
From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:41:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] user_optionsurl
Message-ID: 

I am personalizing my lists and I notice that user_optionsurl uses 
the hostname from /etc/hosts and not the one that is configured using 
DEFAULT_URL_HOST or DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST.  Is there a way to change 
that?
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From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Feb 20 07:33:49 2003
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 22:33:49 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Controlling header & footer 
In-Reply-To: Message from John Tice  
	 
References:  
Message-ID: <9799.1045722829@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:15:11 -0500 
John Tice  wrote:


> How can one eliminate the extraneous links below the real header and
> above the message in posts? Also, my ISP adds several lines of
> anti-abuse headers. All this makes for amateur-looking, junked up
> posts. I want to clean it up. Is this possible? How does one do it?

Please read RFC 2356 and the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py 

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From simon at mtds.com  Thu Feb 20 09:29:09 2003
From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:29:09 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Full Personalization to Hotmail?
In-Reply-To: <15956.12842.65639.71789@yertle.int.kciLink.com>
References: <50845.139.142.50.1.1045693034.squirrel@mail.hostonfiber.com>
	<20030219223910.GC1509@mtds.com>
	<15956.12842.65639.71789@yertle.int.kciLink.com>
Message-ID: <20030220082909.GC2003@mtds.com>

19-Feb-03 at 20:40, Vivek Khera (khera at kcilink.com) wrote :
> >>>>> "SW" == Simon White  writes:
> 
> SW> Don't know if this helps, but Hotmail checks headers, and if the hotmail
> SW> address isn't on the To: or CC: line, it goes to the Trash folder.
> 
> So nobody having a hotmail.com address can receive this list?  Sounds
> too bizarre to be true.

The first email you get from a mailing list gives some kind of a
warning. You have a setting where you can say "This is a mailing list"
hidden in there somewhere.

With only 1Mb of storage these days, you're better off with some other
provider anyway. Sadly, the Microsoft policy is to say

- Outlook (Express)? IS email
- Exchange IS the mail server (too many clients say "can it do Exchange"
  when they mean Is it an MTA?
- Hotmail IS webmail
- MSN IS Instant Messaging

... and so on

I can't believe how much this gets thrown down XP users' throats. Jeez,
someone last week got persuaded to upgrade their machines to XP for its
"Wonderful new functionality" on an old bunch of Pentium I, 133MHz
machines. All of a sudden, everything runs super slow. Madness.

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From linux at mostert.nom.za  Thu Feb 20 10:26:54 2003
From: linux at mostert.nom.za (Mozzi)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:26:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python RH 7.3
Message-ID: <200302201126.54366.linux@mostert.nom.za>

Hallo all

I want to upgrade mailman 2.1
It tells me my pyhon is to old, what is the esiest way to upgrade python ?

Mozzi


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From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Feb 20 10:47:28 2003
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 02:47:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python RH 7.3
References: <200302201126.54366.linux@mostert.nom.za>
Message-ID: <3E54A430.2070809@pcraft.com>

Mozzi wrote:

 >I want to upgrade mailman 2.1
 >It tells me my pyhon is to old, what is the esiest way to upgrade python ?
 >
 >
     Install Python 2 rpm.  Pretty straight forward.

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From danny at terweij.nl  Thu Feb 20 10:53:36 2003
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:53:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python RH 7.3
References: <200302201126.54366.linux@mostert.nom.za>
Message-ID: <00a901c2d8c5$f0492e80$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>

From: "Mozzi" 

>Hallo all

>I want to upgrade mailman 2.1
>It tells me my pyhon is to old, what is the esiest way to upgrade python ?

Well, leave the old Python. RH needs it.
Just go to www.python.org and download the 2.2 source. (only RH8 rpms there)

Just do ./configure and make install

Then compile Mailman 2.1 (or later) with
./configure --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python --with-mail-gid=12 --with-cg
i-gid=apache

Thats all. (my system RH 7.2) and i did yesterday upgraded python 2.1.1 to
2.2.2 :)

Danny Terweij




From linux at mostert.nom.za  Thu Feb 20 13:08:23 2003
From: linux at mostert.nom.za (Mozzi)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:08:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to 2.1
Message-ID: <200302201408.23551.linux@mostert.nom.za>

Hallo all
I am upgrading to 2.1 now from 2.0.13
a couple of questions

How safe is it to install into the previuos mailman directory (/home/mailman)?
If I do not install in the old directory how easy is it to copy my lists 
across?

Tnx

Mozzi


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From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Thu Feb 20 13:23:36 2003
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:23:36 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Word wrap in archives
References: <1045686551.17759.11.camel@sysadmin.sjgames.com>
Message-ID: <3E54C8C8.6000806@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

There are constants in Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py
class HyperArchive(pipermail.T):

    SHOWHTML = 0              # Eg, nuke leading whitespace in html manner.
    SHOWBR = 0                # Add 
 onto every line

If you chenge both to 1, then you will get long lines wrapped at
the end of the browser width.

Tokio

Sage wrote:
> My apologies if this has been brought up before, but I do not see any
> answers in the recent archives.
> 
> The archive pages for my mailman lists do not automatically wrap the
> text of each message. Since these pages use the 
 tag to display the
> message, each message consists of several very long lines that extend to
> the right, forcing readers to scroll to the right in order to read the
> message. This is a very big problem since many of my users cannot be
> trusted to use a mail client that wraps the message for them. Can
> mailman not be configured to automatically wrap all incoming messages at
> around 75 characters by itself?
> 
> Does anyone have a possible solution to this?
> 



From rcostain at sympatico.ca  Thu Feb 20 13:44:33 2003
From: rcostain at sympatico.ca (Robert Costain)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 07:44:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message footer variables
Message-ID: <0FC7FFD7-44D1-11D7-8103-000502675AF1@sympatico.ca>

Messages sent to this list contain the footer:
> This message was sent to: user at host.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/user%40host.com

What's the python syntax that I would need to recreate this on my own 
lists?

Thanks!
Rob



From b.vergondy at approche.net  Thu Feb 20 11:35:00 2003
From: b.vergondy at approche.net (b.vergondy at approche.net)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:35:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] i search what is this error of mailman ???
Message-ID: <008001c2d8cb$bb307130$0301a8c0@bartpc>

hello world !!!
my server send this mail to Postfix all minutes and i search what is this error 
if you have see this error a day... explain me what is the procedure to repair this!!!
 
 
mail 1 : 
mailman -> postfix

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 198, in main
    lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
  File "/home/vdanen/tmp/mailman-buildroot/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
  File "/home/vdanen/tmp/mailman-buildroot/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/locks/gate_news.lock.www.approche.net.23108'

mail 2
mailman -> postfix

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 276, in ?
    lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
  File "/home/vdanen/tmp/mailman-buildroot/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
  File "/home/vdanen/tmp/mailman-buildroot/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.www.approche.net.23095'

thank for your help...


From T.Brabetz at ee.qub.ac.uk  Thu Feb 20 15:15:57 2003
From: T.Brabetz at ee.qub.ac.uk (Thorsten Brabetz)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:15:57 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] i search what is this error of mailman ???
In-Reply-To: <008001c2d8cb$bb307130$0301a8c0@bartpc>
References: <008001c2d8cb$bb307130$0301a8c0@bartpc>
Message-ID: <200302201415.h1KEFxC03753@uwpc011.ee.qub.ac.uk>

 
 
Hi there, 

   Most likely your wrapper was not compiled with the right 
GID. The only solution I ever found to the problem was a 
complete re-install. 

   If you check your system log, you will find an error 
message "sript failed to execute: WANTED GID 12 GOT GID 2", 
or something similar every minute. You have to find out 
which group GID 12 refers to. Probably your system by 
default handels all scripts as user daemon, so you have to 
configure using 

./configure --with-mail-gid=daemon
make install

   The other possibility is that you installed the crontab 
as the wrong user (possibly root?). Become the user that 
you have created to be mailman, then 

$prefix/cron> crontab crontab.in

   You can check that crontab has installed correctly using 
the command "crontab -l" while being the user that you want 
the cron job to run under. 

Hope that helps!
 
 
Thorsten



On Thursday 20 February 2003 10:35, you wrote:
> hello world !!!
> my server send this mail to Postfix all minutes and i
> search what is this error if you have see this error a
> day... explain me what is the procedure to repair this!!!
>
>
> mail 1 :
> mailman -> postfix
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 198, in
> main lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
>   File
> "/home/vdanen/tmp/mailman-buildroot/var/lib/mailman/Mailm
>an/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock File
> "/home/vdanen/tmp/mailman-buildroot/var/lib/mailman/Mailm
>an/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write IOError: [Errno 13]
> Permission denied:
> '/var/lib/mailman/locks/gate_news.lock.www.approche.net.2
>3108'
>
> mail 2
> mailman -> postfix
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 276, in ?
>     lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
>   File
> "/home/vdanen/tmp/mailman-buildroot/var/lib/mailman/Mailm
>an/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock File
> "/home/vdanen/tmp/mailman-buildroot/var/lib/mailman/Mailm
>an/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write IOError: [Errno 13]
> Permission denied:
> '/var/lib/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.www.approche.net.230
>95'
>
> thank for your help...
>
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> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>


From T.Brabetz at ee.qub.ac.uk  Thu Feb 20 15:30:12 2003
From: T.Brabetz at ee.qub.ac.uk (Thorsten Brabetz)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:30:12 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] From: Header again...
Message-ID: <200302201430.h1KEUCj03780@uwpc011.ee.qub.ac.uk>

 
 
Sorry to repost this, but nobody took the bait the first 
time... I try it with a few more details, maybe the problem 
was not clear in my initial mail: 

I have the problem here that for security reasons, all 
E-mail here from all the different networks within 
university has to be relayed through one common E-mail 
relay server (which is and has to be different to the 
server that runs the lists). Authentication for the relay 
server is via the From: field, so I need to be able to tell 
mailman what to put in there (by default it is the list 
name, plus things like -request, -admin, etc.; 
these now need to go into the Reply-To: field, and the 
From: field needs to be something like mailman at domain.com, 
so that I then can get mailman at domain.com registered on the 
relay server as a trusted E-mail source...).

I am sure that this problem has not come up for the first 
time, and that it is well documented somewhere, but after 
searching all documentation, FAQs, etc. for the better part 
of three days now, I really would appreciate if somebody 
can point me into the right direction. Also my apologies if 
this problem is absolutely trivial, just give me some 
newbie credit!

I have tried things like "aliases" and "genericstable", but 
the wrapper seems to be applied last, overwriting any 
previous entry in the From: field. 

Setup here is Linux 7.3 using sendmail and SMTP. 

Thanks in advance!
 
Best wishes
 
 
Thorsten
 
  
 


From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Feb 20 16:37:38 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 20 Feb 2003 10:37:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message footer variables
In-Reply-To: <0FC7FFD7-44D1-11D7-8103-000502675AF1@sympatico.ca>
References: <0FC7FFD7-44D1-11D7-8103-000502675AF1@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <1045755466.2175.15.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>



On Thu, 2003-02-20 at 07:44, Robert Costain wrote:
> Messages sent to this list contain the footer:
> > This message was sent to: user at host.com
> > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/user%40host.com
> 
> What's the python syntax that I would need to recreate this on my own 
> lists?
> 


>From the archives, a message from Sheryl Coe:
===
Here's my own humble how-to, assembled shamelessly from previous posts
to this Mailman list.

<#> WHAT PERSONALIZATION LOOKS LIKE

> This personalization example is from this Mailman list (urls are not
real, do not click):
This message was sent to: test8 at subscriber.net
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/test8%40subscriber.net
> This is what I recommend (urls are not real, do not click):
_______________________________________________
GENERAL LIST INFORMATION:

The TEST mailing list
TEST at lists.listsdomain.net
http://www.listdomain.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/test
_______________________________________________
YOUR PERSONAL SUBSCRIBER OPTIONS:

Unsubscribe or choose new options at
http://www.listdomain.net/mailman/options.cgi/test/test8%40subscriber.net

For all lists you are subscribed to at
   lists.listdomain.net
under the email address
   test8 at subscriber.net
your current password is
   notarealpass
_______________________________________________
<#> CHANGES YOU MAKE TO THE mm_cfg.py FILE

I pasted the lines below to make personalization possible.
 From the FAQ: Q. Can I put the user's address in the footer that
Mailman adds to each message?
A. Yes, in Mailman 2.1. The site admin needs to enable personalization
by setting the following variables in the mm_cfg.py file

VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = 1 VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = 1
VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = 1
If you want to give the power to your list owners:
OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = 1
<#> HOW TO SET UP PERSONALIZATION FOR LIST ADMINS

It's all done in the NON-DIGEST OPTIONS screen:

<#><#>Go to the option for "Should Mailman personalize each non-digest
delivery?"

"Select No to disable personalization and send messages to the members
in batches. Select Yes to personalize deliveries and allow additional
substitution variables in message headers and footers (see below). In
addition, by selecting Full Personalization, the To header of posted
messages will be modified to include the member's address instead of the
list's posting address. "

<#><#>Go to the option for "Footer added to mail sent to regular list
members."

Paste this text:

_______________________________________________
GENERAL LIST INFORMATION:

The %(real_name)s mailing list
%(real_name)s@%(host_name)s
%(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s
_______________________________________________
YOUR PERSONAL SUBSCRIBER OPTIONS:

Unsubscribe or choose new options at
%(user_optionsurl)s

For all lists you are subscribed to at
    %(host_name)s
under the email address
    %(user_delivered_to)s
your current password is
    %(user_password)s
_______________________________________________

END OF HOW-TO SET UP PERSONALIZATION

Has anyone tried it and had to stop due to performance issues, how bad
is the drag?

Also, I really wanted to include a one-click unsubscribe. But I'm sure
that many subscribers are having mail forwarded and it would only
frustrate them. Any solutions?

I would think that it would significantly lower support costs to be able
to include an options url and the password in every message.  I'd love
to hear how this works out for other list owners.

Sheryl Coe





From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Feb 20 16:18:18 2003
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:18:18 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to 2.1
In-Reply-To: <200302201408.23551.linux@mostert.nom.za>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030220142228.04246008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 12:08 20/02/2003, Mozzi wrote:
>Hallo all
>I am upgrading to 2.1 now from 2.0.13
>a couple of questions
>
>How safe is it to install into the previuos mailman directory (/home/mailman)?
>If I do not install in the old directory how easy is it to copy my lists
>across?

I upgraded my production MM 2.0.13 to MM 2.1 (and later that to 2.1.1) by 
installing over the old installation without any problems. The machine 
concerned supports over 460 lists, some with archives and some without, and 
conversion was a non-event; only a 20 minute interruption in service. I did 
set up a few scripts using $prefix/bin/withlist and base on 
$prefix/bin/fix_url.py to sort out some of the list attributes that were 
not to my liking after the upgrade.

Just make sure you read the install and upgrade notes thoroughly and watch 
out for potential problems if you have used things like patch #413752 on 
your MM 2.0.x installation.

I confess I cheat by doing test runs: I installed MM 2.0.13 with all the 
patches I was using on my production MM 2.0.13 system onto my secondary 
server, added some sample lists and then did a trial upgrade to MM 2.1 
(initially beta). Repeated this until upgrading the test system was 
completely trouble free; then doing the real thing was a non-event. Doing 
this was where I sorted out the fixup scripts I needed, and found the sting 
in the tail of patch #413752 and developed patch #651406 to fix it (which 
btw works OK with MM 2.1 and 2.1.1 source).

I started using this test upgrade approach when I first upgraded from MM 
2.0.3 and have stuck with it ever since. Train hard, fight easy!


>Tnx
>
>Mozzi
>
>
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From khera at kcilink.com  Thu Feb 20 16:45:27 2003
From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:45:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to 2.1
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030220142228.04246008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
References: <200302201408.23551.linux@mostert.nom.za>
	<5.1.1.6.0.20030220142228.04246008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <15956.63511.189581.688230@onceler.int.kciLink.com>

>>>>> "RB" == Richard Barrett  writes:

RB> I confess I cheat by doing test runs: I installed MM 2.0.13 with all the 
RB> patches I was using on my production MM 2.0.13 system onto my secondary 
RB> server, added some sample lists and then did a trial upgrade to MM 2.1 
RB> (initially beta). Repeated this until upgrading the test system was 
RB> completely trouble free; then doing the real thing was a non-event. Doing 
RB> this was where I sorted out the fixup scripts I needed, and found the sting 
What?!?!?  You mean you test software and upgrade procedures *before*
doing them on a production machine?  What are you, some kind of *real*
system administrator or something? ;-)



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Feb 20 16:51:55 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 20 Feb 2003 10:51:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] From: Header again...
In-Reply-To: <200302201430.h1KEUCj03780@uwpc011.ee.qub.ac.uk>
References: <200302201430.h1KEUCj03780@uwpc011.ee.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <1045756319.2175.23.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

I don't think there is a push-button solution to this problem.  I can
only think of two ways to easily modify the From: field in the email

 - Run the mail destined for the list through a pre-processor like a
procmail script which then replaces the From: header with something
appropriate (something that will let your relay server pass it on)

 - Modify the source for Mailman so that it substitutes in a From:
header that works for you

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Thu, 2003-02-20 at 09:30, Thorsten Brabetz wrote:
>  
>  
> Sorry to repost this, but nobody took the bait the first 
> time... I try it with a few more details, maybe the problem 
> was not clear in my initial mail: 
> 
> I have the problem here that for security reasons, all 
> E-mail here from all the different networks within 
> university has to be relayed through one common E-mail 
> relay server (which is and has to be different to the 
> server that runs the lists). Authentication for the relay 
> server is via the From: field, so I need to be able to tell 
> mailman what to put in there (by default it is the list 
> name, plus things like -request, -admin, etc.; 
> these now need to go into the Reply-To: field, and the 
> From: field needs to be something like mailman at domain.com, 
> so that I then can get mailman at domain.com registered on the 
> relay server as a trusted E-mail source...).
> 
> I am sure that this problem has not come up for the first 
> time, and that it is well documented somewhere, but after 
> searching all documentation, FAQs, etc. for the better part 
> of three days now, I really would appreciate if somebody 
> can point me into the right direction. Also my apologies if 
> this problem is absolutely trivial, just give me some 
> newbie credit!
> 
> I have tried things like "aliases" and "genericstable", but 
> the wrapper seems to be applied last, overwriting any 
> previous entry in the From: field. 
> 
> Setup here is Linux 7.3 using sendmail and SMTP. 
> 
> Thanks in advance!
>  
> Best wishes
>  
>  
> Thorsten
>  
>   
>  
> 
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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From paul at vet.fnt.hvu.nl  Thu Feb 20 16:53:59 2003
From: paul at vet.fnt.hvu.nl (Paul Dekkers)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 16:53:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Monthly password reminders
Message-ID: <3E54FA17.1060302@vet.fnt.hvu.nl>

Hi,

In the mailinglist configuration I specified that users should not get 
monthly password reminders by default: when I add a new users to the 
mailinglist however, I see that the password reminder IS enabled!
Is this OK?

I'm using mailman-2.1.1

Regards,
Paul




From david at midrange.com  Thu Feb 20 17:03:02 2003
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:03:02 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
	Re: A Known bug with confirmation string & excessive bounces
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030217105852.03325008@mail.rockygorge.com>
	
Message-ID: 

"David Gibbs"  wrote in message
news:b2tjrj$r7a$1 at main.gmane.org...
>  wrote in message
> news:5.1.0.14.2.20030217105852.03325008 at mail.rockygorge.com...
> Can anyone explain how confirmation strings are generated and how they are
> correlated to the users request?

Anyone know of a way to force a subscription to be disabled such that it
requires a confirmation to be sent out?

david




From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Thu Feb 20 17:04:41 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:04:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python RH 7.3
In-Reply-To: <200302201126.54366.linux@mostert.nom.za>
References: <200302201126.54366.linux@mostert.nom.za>
Message-ID: <20030220160441.GF2031@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Mozzi wrote:
> I want to upgrade mailman 2.1
> It tells me my pyhon is to old, what is the esiest way to upgrade python ?

Just make sure you have the python2 rpm installed (redhat ships it with
7.3).  There is an errata, so make sure you update.

Then run configure with the --with-python=/usr/bin/python2 option.

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From Klaus.Steinberger at Physik.Uni-Muenchen.DE  Thu Feb 20 17:57:10 2003
From: Klaus.Steinberger at Physik.Uni-Muenchen.DE (Klaus Steinberger)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:57:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python RH 7.3
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <3E5508E6.2030108@Physik.Uni-Muenchen.DE>


>>I want to upgrade mailman 2.1
>>It tells me my pyhon is to old, what is the esiest way to upgrade python ?
> 
> 
> Well, leave the old Python. RH needs it.
> Just go to www.python.org and download the 2.2 source. (only RH8 rpms there)

Not necessary, there is an python2-2.2 rpm on the RH7.3 disks. Install 
that besides the python-1.5xx rpms

But be warned, there are security issues with the python rpms on the CD. 
you should get the newest from RedHat up2date.

Sincerely,
Klaus

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Feb 20 18:06:19 2003
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:06:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python RH 7.3
References: <200302201126.54366.linux@mostert.nom.za>
	<00a901c2d8c5$f0492e80$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
Message-ID: <3E550B0B.1050903@pcraft.com>

Danny Terweij wrote:

>>I want to upgrade mailman 2.1
>>It tells me my pyhon is to old, what is the esiest way to upgrade python ?
>>
>
>Well, leave the old Python. RH needs it.
>Just go to www.python.org and download the 2.2 source. (only RH8 rpms there)
>
    No need.  RedHat has RPMs for 7.3 as well:

    ftp://updates.redhat.com/7.3/en/os/i386/python2-2.2.2-11.7.3.i386.rpm
    
ftp://updates.redhat.com/7.3/en/os/i386/python2-devel-2.2.2-11.7.3.i386.rpm
    
ftp://updates.redhat.com/7.3/en/os/i386/python2-docs-2.2.2-11.7.3.i386.rpm

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From jeffh at gryphongardens.com  Thu Feb 20 20:04:58 2003
From: jeffh at gryphongardens.com (Jeff Hahn)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:04:58 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1 topics question...
Message-ID: 

I'm playing with topics to see how they work.

I want to hold any message that doesn't match an existing topic.

(actually I'd also like to hold any message that has more than one topic, 
but that can wait for step two)

let's say we have topics AAA and BBB and topics must be in subject.

if I use "subject: .*AAA.*|.*BBB.*" in the spam filters on the privacy 
option page, it works backwords (as you would expect).  

how the heck do I "negate" that regular expression?

it would seem that 	"subject: [^.*AAA.*|.*BBB.*]" or 
			"subject: [^[.*AAA.*|.*BBB.*]]"

but those don't seem to work as they should

I'm obviously missing something simple (greedy matching perhaps?), but I 
can't seem to see it.

any helpful hints???

Thanks,

-Jeff







From SinghP at dvd.panasonic.com  Thu Feb 20 20:37:08 2003
From: SinghP at dvd.panasonic.com (Pawan Singh)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:37:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
Message-ID: <10E28E1043D6D511BD660008C72BAB8B02A6096C@mail.dvd.panasonic.com>

Hi,

How can I restrict access the mailing list archives to subscribed users
only.


Thanks

-Pawan



From SinghP at dvd.panasonic.com  Thu Feb 20 20:37:49 2003
From: SinghP at dvd.panasonic.com (Pawan Singh)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:37:49 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
Message-ID: <10E28E1043D6D511BD660008C72BAB8B02A6096D@mail.dvd.panasonic.com>

Hi,

How can I rename my existing list.?


Thanks

-Pawan



From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk  Thu Feb 20 20:40:45 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:40:45 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to 2.1
In-Reply-To: <15956.63511.189581.688230@onceler.int.kciLink.com>
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030220142228.04246008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
 <200302201408.23551.linux@mostert.nom.za>
 <5.1.1.6.0.20030220142228.04246008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030220193916.039aa388@pop3.demon.co.uk>

At 15:45 20/02/2003, Vivek Khera wrote:
> >>>>> "RB" == Richard Barrett  writes:
>
>RB> I confess I cheat by doing test runs: I installed MM 2.0.13 with all the
>RB> patches I was using on my production MM 2.0.13 system onto my secondary
>RB> server, added some sample lists and then did a trial upgrade to MM 2.1
>RB> (initially beta). Repeated this until upgrading the test system was
>RB> completely trouble free; then doing the real thing was a non-event. Doing
>RB> this was where I sorted out the fixup scripts I needed, and found the 
>sting
>What?!?!?  You mean you test software and upgrade procedures *before*
>doing them on a production machine?  What are you, some kind of *real*
>system administrator or something? ;-)

Tried not doing the tests once. I've still got the scars.

My boss has the memory of an elephant and never hesitates to remind one of 
past sins, especially at pay review time!

Mind you we have a great job incentive scheme: do your job well and you 
might get to keep it :(



From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk  Thu Feb 20 21:02:47 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:02:47 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
In-Reply-To: <10E28E1043D6D511BD660008C72BAB8B02A6096C@mail.dvd.panasoni
 c.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030220200154.03b52940@pop3.demon.co.uk>

At 19:37 20/02/2003, Pawan Singh wrote:
>Hi,
>
>How can I restrict access the mailing list archives to subscribed users
>only.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>-Pawan

Set the private versus public archives option on the Archival Option page 
of the web GUI.



From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk  Thu Feb 20 21:07:37 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:07:37 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
In-Reply-To: <10E28E1043D6D511BD660008C72BAB8B02A6096D@mail.dvd.panasoni
 c.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030220200314.03b65298@pop3.demon.co.uk>

At 19:37 20/02/2003, Pawan Singh wrote:
>Hi,
>
>How can I rename my existing list.?
>
>
>Thanks
>
>-Pawan

Not easy to do.

You may find it easier to create the new list and then use the scripts in 
$prefix/bin to export the old lists membership list and add its contents to 
the new list's membership. The delete the old list.



From mh+mailman-users at zugschlus.de  Thu Feb 20 22:28:48 2003
From: mh+mailman-users at zugschlus.de (Marc Haber)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:28:48 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to force confirmation on my list owners?
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I would like to make it impossible for my list owners to subscribe
people to their lists. Inviting them via the admin mass subscribe
interface is OK, but in no way should it be possible to add somebody
to a list without her first replying to a confirmation e-mail.

Is that possible in Mailman 2.1?

Greetings
Marc

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From SinghP at dvd.panasonic.com  Fri Feb 21 00:58:54 2003
From: SinghP at dvd.panasonic.com (Pawan Singh)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:58:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
Message-ID: <10E28E1043D6D511BD660008C72BAB8B02A60976@mail.dvd.panasonic.com>

How to change the email id for "Send questions or comments to " on the
listinfo page.

Thx




From alaric at caerllewys.net  Fri Feb 21 01:14:32 2003
From: alaric at caerllewys.net (Phil Stracchino)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:14:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple-domain Mailman question
Message-ID: <20030221001432.GA990@babylon5.babcom.com>

....I think I may be trying to do something unsupported.

I just upgraded my Mailman installation from v2.0.6 to v2.1.1, and at
the same time I'm preparing to switch my mail delivery domain over from
babcom.com to caerllewys.net.  The webserver still advertises as
www.babcom.com (although it answers to www.caerllewys.net as well).  Is
there a defined way to migrate my existing Mailman lists from
list at babcom.com to list at caerllewys.net?  I *also* want the lists to
appear on the main Mailman listinfo page regardless of whether the
listinfo page is invoked as http://www.babcom.com/mailman/listinfo or as
http://www.caerllewys.net/mailman/listinfo.

Is this possible?


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From d.richards at qut.edu.au  Tue Feb 18 07:23:41 2003
From: d.richards at qut.edu.au (David Richards)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:23:41 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] LDAP -> mailman
Message-ID: <3e51d16d.ca2f4.7667@imap.qut.edu.au>

Hi,

Does anyone out there have a script that takes definitions for a mailing
list from LDAP to mailman??

Our preferred method would be to have all definitions in LDAP, and mailman
to directly access them there, but from what I have read that is not
currently available.  So, if someone has a script that could update mailman
based on LDAP definitions, it would be really cool if I could get my hads
on it, even if I have to mod a little bit.

The reason?  Because all our corporate data is in Oracle databases and we
have it translated to LDAP for other purposes...

thanks,

Dave.

Dave Richards
Senior Network Programmer
Information Technology Services
Queensland University of Technology


From rostyk at cd.lvivnet.com  Tue Feb 18 11:12:43 2003
From: rostyk at cd.lvivnet.com (Rostyk)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:12:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange behaviour in mailman 2.2.1
Message-ID: <1775410810.20030218121243@cd.lvivnet.com>


        Hello!

        Few days ago downloaded mailman-2.1.1 from sourceforge.
        I tried such a trick on mailman:

        1.created the list called e.x. mylist, with list address
        mylist at lists.myhost.com

        2.from another host sent a message to mylist at lists.myhost.com
        from unexistable user ross at lists.myhost.com. Of course, i
        didn't get the answer, cause it went to that
        "ross at lists.myhost.com", probably causing MAILER-DAEMON return back to
        mylist-bounces at lists.myhost.com and loop:)

        3. now, even if i change my from address to the real one
        (ross at myhost.com) and send a message to
        mylist at lists.myhost.com I don't get an answer at all!!!
        (UNTIL I restart mailman).

        Other lists respond ok though...

        Can you explain such situation?



From jh at netfielders.de  Tue Feb 18 15:01:39 2003
From: jh at netfielders.de (Jan-Hendrik Heuing)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 15:01:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mail-news-gateway, maybe Message ID ?
Message-ID: 

Hi !

We are running Mailman + Inn. We would like to sync between thouse, which works pretty well, messages are sent back and forth.

There is one problem: The threads are not displayed correctly. I found to messages in the archiv with that question, but no solution to it. It would be great if anyone could point me into the right direction, if a solution is available.

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg10612.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg10145.html

thanks a lot, jhh



From andreas.moxnes at notam02.no  Wed Feb 19 10:04:13 2003
From: andreas.moxnes at notam02.no (Andreas Moxnes)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 10:04:13 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade
Message-ID: 

hello,
i've received a dump of different lists and archives
from an older mailman version (don't know which version).
i've installed mailman2.1, copied the lists to the mailman
dir and used the ./bin/fix_url.py.

everything works fine exept for one thing: if an "old" user
(from the previous version) asks mailman to send a passord-reminder,
the following error occurs.

any tips?

thanks,
_andreas.

Bug in Mailman version 2.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py", line 169, in main
    mlist.MailUserPassword(user)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py", line 87, in
MailUserPassword
    if not self.getMemberPassword(user):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 102, in
getMemberPassword
    raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member
NotAMemberError: adbusters at adbusters.no





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Python information:
Variable Value
sys.version 2.2.2 (#3, Dec 30 2002, 15:34:51) [GCC 3.2 20020903 (Red Hat
Linux 8.0 3.2-7)]
sys.executable /usr/local/www/bin/python2.2
sys.prefix /usr/local/www
sys.exec_prefix /usr/local/www
sys.path /usr/local/www
sys.platform linux2




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Environment variables:
Variable Value
PATH_INFO  /110
HTTP_ACCEPT  image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg,
application/msword, application/vnd.ms-excel,
application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, */*
HTTP_PRAGMA  no-cache
CONTENT_TYPE  application/x-www-form-urlencoded
HTTP_REFERER  http://kunst.no/mailman/options/110
SERVER_SOFTWARE  Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.3.0
PYTHONPATH  /usr/local/mailman
SCRIPT_FILENAME  /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/options
SERVER_ADMIN  webmaster at dummy-host.example.com
SCRIPT_NAME  /mailman/options
SCRIPT_URI  http://kunst.no/mailman/options/110
SERVER_SIGNATURE  Apache/1.3.27 Server at kunst.no Port 80
REQUEST_METHOD  POST
HTTP_HOST  kunst.no
SCRIPT_URL  /mailman/options/110
SERVER_PROTOCOL  HTTP/1.0
QUERY_STRING
REQUEST_URI  /mailman/options/110
CONTENT_LENGTH  69
HTTP_USER_AGENT  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 4.0)
HTTP_CONNECTION  Keep-Alive
HTTP_COOKIE
110+admin=280200000069a6ae533e732800000035366637623838333830323866653034666331393234323533346236353062323861633637633666;
PHPSESSID=46be25a32188f7c0d5ff4a7acdaa9cc9
SERVER_NAME  kunst.no
REMOTE_ADDR  129.240.157.171
REMOTE_PORT  3576
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE  en-us
PATH_TRANSLATED  /usr/local/www/htdocs/kunst.no/110
SERVER_PORT  80
GATEWAY_INTERFACE  CGI/1.1
SERVER_ADDR  158.36.77.162
DOCUMENT_ROOT  /usr/local/www/htdocs/kunst.no






From sspencer at netconcepts.com  Wed Feb 19 11:14:21 2003
From: sspencer at netconcepts.com (Stephan Spencer)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 23:14:21 +1300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MemoryError in htmlformat.py
Message-ID: 

This one is out of my depth. The Tend to Pending Moderator Requests 
page has become inaccessible due to a MemoryError. The traceback 
follows below. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. (The list in 
question is gated to the moderated Usenet newsgroup 
rec.travel.bed+breakfast, so it gets a lot of incoming spam. Not sure 
if that has anything to do with the problem at hand, however.). Thanks!


Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
     main()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 236, in main
     print doc.Format()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 331, in Format
     output.append(Container.Format(self, indent))
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 264, in Format
     output.append(HTMLFormatObject(item, indent))
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 50, in 
HTMLFormatObject
     return item.Format(indent)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 417, in Format
     output = output + Container.Format(self, indent+2)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 264, in Format
     output.append(HTMLFormatObject(item, indent))
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 50, in 
HTMLFormatObject
     return item.Format(indent)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 200, in Format
     output = output + self.FormatRow(i, indent + 2)
MemoryError

Python information:

Variable
Value

sys.version
2.2.2 (#1, Jan 14 2003, 02:49:11)  [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 
7.1 2.96-98)]

sys.executable
/usr/local/bin/python

sys.prefix
/usr/local

sys.exec_prefix
/usr/local

sys.path
/usr/local

sys.platform
linux2

Environment variables:

Variable
Value

PATH_INFO
/bnb-list

HTTP_ACCEPT
*/*

CONTENT_TYPE
application/x-www-form-urlencoded

HTTP_REFERER
http://www.innsite.com/mailman/admindb/bnb-list

SERVER_SOFTWARE
Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) PHP/4.2.3

PYTHONPATH
/usr/local/mailman

SCRIPT_FILENAME
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb

SERVER_ADMIN
webmaster at innsite.com

SCRIPT_NAME
/mailman/admindb

SCRIPT_URI
http://www.innsite.com/mailman/admindb/bnb-list

SERVER_SIGNATURE
Apache/1.3.26 Server at www.innsite.com Port 80

REQUEST_METHOD
POST

HTTP_HOST
www.innsite.com

SCRIPT_URL
/mailman/admindb/bnb-list

SERVER_PROTOCOL
HTTP/1.0

QUERY_STRING

REQUEST_URI
/mailman/admindb/bnb-list

CONTENT_LENGTH
35

PATH_TRANSLATED
/www/data/innsite/bnb-list

HTTP_USER_AGENT
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/48 (like 
Gecko) Safari/48

HTTP_CONNECTION
close

HTTP_COOKIE
Apache=219.88.207.149.5151045648465275

SERVER_NAME
www.innsite.com

REMOTE_ADDR
219.88.207.149

REMOTE_PORT
49346

HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE
en-us, ja;q=0.33, en;q=0.67

SERVER_ADDR
66.250.38.164

SERVER_PORT
80

GATEWAY_INTERFACE
CGI/1.1

UNIQUE_ID
PlNUVkL6JqQAAAICmwI

DOCUMENT_ROOT
/www/data/innsite 

From APBulletins at jazznsax.com  Wed Feb 19 19:09:21 2003
From: APBulletins at jazznsax.com (APBulletins)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 10:09:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User AKAs?
Message-ID: 

Not sure, but I'm digging further to find, what "Real Name support" is in
Mailman.

But, here's the deal.

Current version is 2.0rc1
Issue is that mail is held for approval for people not recognized as a
member.
But, they are members.
Our damn mailserver changes how it says who the mail is from.
 - One day it's our registered email address as in mailman
 - One day it's our full name, versus an email address
 - etc.

Is there a way to set up AKAs for each user so no matter what our IT group
changes about the mailserver, it sees members properly?

Thanks!


---
Alan



From alaric at caerllewys.net  Fri Feb 21 01:49:35 2003
From: alaric at caerllewys.net (Phil Stracchino)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:49:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20030221004935.GA1296@babylon5.babcom.com>

On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 10:04:13AM +0100, Andreas Moxnes wrote:
> hello,
> i've received a dump of different lists and archives
> from an older mailman version (don't know which version).
> i've installed mailman2.1, copied the lists to the mailman
> dir and used the ./bin/fix_url.py.

Hmmm...   I suspect this fix_url.py may be part of the answer to my own
question.  I'll look into it and see if it helps.


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From SinghP at dvd.panasonic.com  Fri Feb 21 02:10:57 2003
From: SinghP at dvd.panasonic.com (Pawan Singh)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:10:57 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
Message-ID: <10E28E1043D6D511BD660008C72BAB8B02A6097C@mail.dvd.panasonic.com>

Is there any way to hide the maling lists





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Feb 21 02:18:32 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 20 Feb 2003 20:18:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to force confirmation on my list owners?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1045790315.1614.35.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

You could hack the code to remove the subscribe option from the
Web-admin.  This would be a fairly easy hack.  Other than that, it's not
configurable.

In version 2.1 you could simply let the list owners be moderators
(rather than full admins).  They would only have access to the features
in admindb (and not the features in web based admin cgi)

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Thu, 2003-02-20 at 16:28, Marc Haber wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to make it impossible for my list owners to subscribe
> people to their lists. Inviting them via the admin mass subscribe
> interface is OK, but in no way should it be possible to add somebody
> to a list without her first replying to a confirmation e-mail.
> 
> Is that possible in Mailman 2.1?
> 
> Greetings
> Marc
> 
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> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com  Fri Feb 21 02:58:54 2003
From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:58:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personalized Footer
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030220205215.035d44e0@64.65.196.198>

I have added personalization to the lists, and have added a line in the 
footer that shows:

This message was sent to: member at domain.com

which the list members like, but they would like me to add a line that reads:

This message was sent by: sender at domain.com


Can someone tell me what variable I would use to insert the sender's 
name/address in that line?  This is Mailman 2.1.1.

Thanks!

Larry



From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net  Fri Feb 21 05:27:50 2003
From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 23:27:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users]
In-Reply-To: 
	<10E28E1043D6D511BD660008C72BAB8B02A6097C@mail.dvd.panasonic.com>; from
	SinghP@dvd.panasonic.com on Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 05:10:57PM -0800
References: <10E28E1043D6D511BD660008C72BAB8B02A6097C@mail.dvd.panasonic.com>
Message-ID: <20030220232749.A22568@dogpound.vnet.net>

* Pawan Singh (SinghP at dvd.panasonic.com) wrote:
> Is there any way to hide the maling lists

To make it not publicly advertized on the web page, set 'advertised' to 'No'
on the "Privacy" page.

--
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http://dogpound.vnet.net/

He who sitteth on an upturned tack shall surely rise.


From nospam at rawfire.torche.com  Fri Feb 21 08:57:11 2003
From: nospam at rawfire.torche.com (Spam Collector)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 23:57:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reject all...
Message-ID: 


Hello..
  Anyone know of a way to do a "reject all"?  My lists get a ton of spam,
and it gets old selected reject over and over..

Thanks!

C.




From simon at mtds.com  Fri Feb 21 09:39:27 2003
From: simon at mtds.com (Simon White)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:39:27 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users]
In-Reply-To: <20030220232749.A22568@dogpound.vnet.net>
References: <10E28E1043D6D511BD660008C72BAB8B02A6097C@mail.dvd.panasonic.com>
	<20030220232749.A22568@dogpound.vnet.net>
Message-ID: <20030221083926.GA4233@mtds.com>

20-Feb-03 at 23:27, Matthew Davis (matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net) wrote :
> * Pawan Singh (SinghP at dvd.panasonic.com) wrote:
> > Is there any way to hide the maling lists
> 
> To make it not publicly advertized on the web page, set 'advertised' to 'No'
> on the "Privacy" page.

Pawan,

Great to see you on the list.

Good to see you have questions.

However, it's probably a better idea to get stuff working, try all
sorts, and come back with a single well written post, instead of firing
just one question to the list, a single phrase, because you could read
the docs and experiment to answer all those you have answered so far.

Mailing lists are *not* a substitute for reading the docs. 

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From box99 at ntlworld.com  Fri Feb 21 10:16:33 2003
From: box99 at ntlworld.com (david.gordon)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:16:33 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading to 2.1 - a couple of Qs
Message-ID: <20030221091633.32@smtp.ntlworld.com>

I want to go from 2.0.13 to 2.1.1. I (think I) understand I need to
install 2.1 then move my current list archives etc over to the new
directory. Its all in the documents!

I don't understand this, what is the concept here? Don't I just rename
the new MM21 directory to the 'old' name and everything would work.
Perhaps I am missing some basic *nix theory?!

>RewriteRule ^/mailman/(.*)/(foo-list.*) \
>$MM21/cgi-bin/$1/$2 \
>[T=application/x-httpd-cgi]

and

>RewriteRule ^/pipermail/(foo-list.*) $MM21/archives/public/$1

Given my (test) lists are called "test" and "testtwo", can someone help
me fill in the gaps. Should I add two lines to my VirtualHost for
mydomain.tld thus...

        RewriteRule ^/mailman/(.*)/(test.*) \
                      mailman/cgi-bin/$1/$2 \
                  [T=application/x-httpd-cgi]

But I don't know what these variables refer to " mailman/cgi-bin/$1/$2 \"

One rewrite for each list?

Maybe some one could translate what the rewrite is doing. And explain
what "sharing the same URL-space" means.

Thank you.

-- 
david.gordon




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Feb 21 12:44:12 2003
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:44:12 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading to 2.1 - a couple of Qs
In-Reply-To: <20030221091633.32@smtp.ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030221112146.03a18518@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 09:16 21/02/2003, david.gordon wrote:
>I want to go from 2.0.13 to 2.1.1. I (think I) understand I need to
>install 2.1 then move my current list archives etc over to the new
>directory. Its all in the documents!

First, you can go directly from 2.0.13 to 2.1.1. There is no need to do the 
upgrade in two hops.

Second, you do not need to update lists one at a time. This is just a 
precautionary approach.

You can in fact upgrade a 2.0.13 installation to 2.1.1 by just installing 
2.1.1 over the 2.0.13 installation.

If you have a production server with a bunch of critical lists and you 
cannot take risks with your list service then you could try the 
precautionary approach.

I faced the problem of having a large number of lists, some of which 
function as primary channels of communication between customers and 
company, where problems with list service are simply unacceptable to 
management. See the following archived e-mail for how I approached the 
problem, and it wasn't doing the lists one at a time:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-February/026611.html

>I don't understand this, what is the concept here? Don't I just rename
>the new MM21 directory to the 'old' name and everything would work.
>Perhaps I am missing some basic *nix theory?!

The precautionary upgrade approach discussed in the MM $build/INSTALL file 
is just a suggestion. It just outlines a way of having two different 
version of MM installed and coexistng on a server, with some lists being 
serviced by one version and others being serviced by the other version.

> >RewriteRule ^/mailman/(.*)/(foo-list.*) \
> >$MM21/cgi-bin/$1/$2 \
> >[T=application/x-httpd-cgi]
>
>and
>
> >RewriteRule ^/pipermail/(foo-list.*) $MM21/archives/public/$1
>
>Given my (test) lists are called "test" and "testtwo", can someone help
>me fill in the gaps. Should I add two lines to my VirtualHost for
>mydomain.tld thus...
>
>         RewriteRule ^/mailman/(.*)/(test.*) \
>                       mailman/cgi-bin/$1/$2 \
>                   [T=application/x-httpd-cgi]

No need as the single rule will match any list whose name begins with the 4 
characters 'test'.

>But I don't know what these variables refer to " mailman/cgi-bin/$1/$2 \"

RewriteRules are based on regular expressions, which are used for pattern 
matching:

1. The first part of the rule - '^/mailman/(.*)/(test.*)' - specifies a 
pattern to match against. The brackets '(' and ')' are used to capture 
substrings during pattern matching.

2. If the match succeeds the second part of the rule - 
'mailman/cgi-bin/$1/$2' - says what the revised URL is to be. The $1 and $2 
refer to substrings of the pattern, matched by the first part of the rule.

3. The third part - '[T=application/x-httpd-cgi]' - tells Apache the 
MIME  type of the rewritten URL. In this case it lets the RewriteRule 
function as a ScriptAlias directive.

So for the rule above:

4. if, for example, the requested URL is: /mailman/admin/test-list1/general

5. then the match succeeds and:

     $1 = 'admin'

     $2 = 'test-list1/general'

6. the URL is written as: mailman/cgi-bin/admin/test-list1/general



>One rewrite for each list?
>
>Maybe some one could translate what the rewrite is doing. And explain
>what "sharing the same URL-space" means.

"sharing the same URL-space" means that URLs providing web access to lists 
look the same regardless of which version of MM is servicing the list., The 
URLs are distinguished only by the listname in the URL. But depending on 
which list is being addressed, and hence which version of MM is handling 
the list, the appropriate version of the MM CGI script concerned has to be 
run. The purpose of the RewriteRules is to match against listnames and if 
the match succeeds, change the requested URI into one which calls the 
alternate CGI scripts of the alternate MM installation.

This means that, from a web browser user's standpoint, the web GUI to the 
lists is an homogenous URL space. The server RewriteRules sort out the problem.


>Thank you.
>
>--
>david.gordon



From warren at whoffman.com  Fri Feb 21 14:00:17 2003
From: warren at whoffman.com (Warren Hoffman)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:00:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digests for this list
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030221075744.00b96ec0@mail.whoffman.com>

Just out of curiosity, I get several digests a day from this list. The 
'norm' for digests (elsewhere) is to send digests daily (unless size is 
extraordinary). If that isn't fast enough, users can select regular 
delivery or regularly review the archives for responses to their messages. 
Was sending daily considered? Rejected? Worth reconsidering?

--Warren
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From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Fri Feb 21 14:55:51 2003
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:55:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User AKAs?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <3E562FE7.8080706@mitre.org>

Alan,

This works, though it is not exactly what you are asking for.

Set up multiple accounts for each person, with every variation of email 
address you expect to receive.  Then set all but one of them to "nomail".

This allows them to be recognized as members while still only receiving 
one copy of each message.


APBulletins wrote:
> Issue is that mail is held for approval for people not recognized as a
> member.
> But, they are members.
> Our damn mailserver changes how it says who the mail is from.
>  - One day it's our registered email address as in mailman
>  - One day it's our full name, versus an email address
>  - etc.
> 
> Is there a way to set up AKAs for each user so no matter what our IT group
> changes about the mailserver, it sees members properly?

-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own




From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Fri Feb 21 15:41:29 2003
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:41:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digests for this list
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030221075744.00b96ec0@mail.whoffman.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030221075744.00b96ec0@mail.whoffman.com>
Message-ID: <3E563A99.8000001@mitre.org>

Warren,

How do you set up digests on the lists you run?

Because the related question is why the Mailman 2.1 defaults are to send 
a digest when it hits a certain size (30 K).

I can't speak for Barry, but in deference to people with slow email 
access, keeping the size of each digest down makes it easier to download 
them.  Though one can argue that there is little difference between one 
90 K digest in a day and 3 30 K digests in a day.

Thanks for your message, since I hadn't noticed I was sending out 
multiple digests every day, too.  So I went and changed the maximum size 
to 500 K, and checked to send a digest out every day whether you hit the 
size or not.

Warren Hoffman wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, I get several digests a day from this list. The 
> 'norm' for digests (elsewhere) is to send digests daily (unless size is 
> extraordinary). If that isn't fast enough, users can select regular 
> delivery or regularly review the archives for responses to their 
> messages. Was sending daily considered? Rejected? Worth reconsidering?

-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own




From godoy at metalab.unc.edu  Thu Feb 20 19:25:33 2003
From: godoy at metalab.unc.edu (Jorge Godoy)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:25:33 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Apache on different port
Message-ID: <86d6lmreqq.fsf@wintermute.g2ctech>


Hi!


I have apache listening on port 8080 here, so I access the mailman
interface as http://server.home.com:8080/mailman/ -- this works just
fine but then my problems start. Every link I click links correctly to
the page, except for the port number on the URL. It prevents me from
using the webinterface to create or maintain lists.

I'm using mailman-2.1.1 on a FreeBSD 5.0


TIA,
-- 
Godoy.    


From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Feb 21 16:54:44 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 21 Feb 2003 10:54:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MemoryError in htmlformat.py
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1045842888.2192.29.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

What version of Mailman are you using?  (it looks like one of the 2.1.x
versions).

Hope you have already fixed this by now, but just in case, here is
something you can try.  Look in the data directory for Mailman - this is
where the held messages are stored.  You can actually scan the heldmsg
files manually and delete ones that might be overly large.  

cd /usr/local/mailman/data
ls -l

The default message format in version 2.1 is pickle (instead of text),
but you can still easily look at each held message by using the strings
command ("strings" is a utility that used to be loaded by default, if
you don't have it loaded it's very easy to find).

strings heldmsg-b2b-list-1.pck

Deleting the heldmsg's here does not delete them from your lists
"request.db" file, but when you run admindb for the list, that will
compare the heldmsg files to the ones in request.db and then update
request.db (the handling of the request.db file is a lot smarter in
version 2.1 of Mailman).

In other words,once you launch the Web-admindb everything should sync up
and you will just see the messages you left that need approving.  It
*should* work at this point. 

If not, I recommend removing that lists request.db file:
/usr/local/mailman/lists/b2b-list/request.db

Just rename the file to something else and then try launching the
web-admindb again.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes
 
======
On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 05:14, Stephan Spencer wrote:
> This one is out of my depth. The Tend to Pending Moderator Requests 
> page has become inaccessible due to a MemoryError. The traceback 
> follows below. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. (The list in 
> question is gated to the moderated Usenet newsgroup 
> rec.travel.bed+breakfast, so it gets a lot of incoming spam. Not sure 
> if that has anything to do with the problem at hand, however.). Thanks!
> 
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
>      main()
>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 236, in main
>      print doc.Format()
>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 331, in Format
>      output.append(Container.Format(self, indent))
>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 264, in Format
>      output.append(HTMLFormatObject(item, indent))
>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 50, in 
> HTMLFormatObject
>      return item.Format(indent)
>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 417, in Format
>      output = output + Container.Format(self, indent+2)
>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 264, in Format
>      output.append(HTMLFormatObject(item, indent))
>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 50, in 
> HTMLFormatObject
>      return item.Format(indent)
>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 200, in Format
>      output = output + self.FormatRow(i, indent + 2)
> MemoryError
> 
> Python information:
> 
> Variable
> Value
> 
> sys.version
> 2.2.2 (#1, Jan 14 2003, 02:49:11)  [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 
> 7.1 2.96-98)]
> 
> sys.executable
> /usr/local/bin/python
> 
> sys.prefix
> /usr/local
> 
> sys.exec_prefix
> /usr/local
> 
> sys.path
> /usr/local
> 
> sys.platform
> linux2
> 
> Environment variables:
> 
> Variable
> Value
> 
> PATH_INFO
> /bnb-list
> 
> HTTP_ACCEPT
> */*
> 
> CONTENT_TYPE
> application/x-www-form-urlencoded
> 
> HTTP_REFERER
> http://www.innsite.com/mailman/admindb/bnb-list
> 
> SERVER_SOFTWARE
> Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) PHP/4.2.3
> 
> PYTHONPATH
> /usr/local/mailman
> 
> SCRIPT_FILENAME
> /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb
> 
> SERVER_ADMIN
> webmaster at innsite.com
> 
> SCRIPT_NAME
> /mailman/admindb
> 
> SCRIPT_URI
> http://www.innsite.com/mailman/admindb/bnb-list
> 
> SERVER_SIGNATURE
> Apache/1.3.26 Server at www.innsite.com Port 80
> 
> REQUEST_METHOD
> POST
> 
> HTTP_HOST
> www.innsite.com
> 
> SCRIPT_URL
> /mailman/admindb/bnb-list
> 
> SERVER_PROTOCOL
> HTTP/1.0
> 
> QUERY_STRING
> 
> REQUEST_URI
> /mailman/admindb/bnb-list
> 
> CONTENT_LENGTH
> 35
> 
> PATH_TRANSLATED
> /www/data/innsite/bnb-list
> 
> HTTP_USER_AGENT
> Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/48 (like 
> Gecko) Safari/48
> 
> HTTP_CONNECTION
> close
> 
> HTTP_COOKIE
> Apache=219.88.207.149.5151045648465275
> 
> SERVER_NAME
> www.innsite.com
> 
> REMOTE_ADDR
> 219.88.207.149
> 
> REMOTE_PORT
> 49346
> 
> HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE
> en-us, ja;q=0.33, en;q=0.67
> 
> SERVER_ADDR
> 66.250.38.164
> 
> SERVER_PORT
> 80
> 
> GATEWAY_INTERFACE
> CGI/1.1
> 
> UNIQUE_ID
> PlNUVkL6JqQAAAICmwI
> 
> DOCUMENT_ROOT
> /www/data/innsite 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Feb 21 16:59:22 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 21 Feb 2003 10:59:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1 topics question...
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1045843166.2187.33.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

In logic class we learned that the opposite of: A or B
was:  not(A) and not(B)

The "or" changes to "and"

HtH - Jon Carnes

On Thu, 2003-02-20 at 14:04, Jeff Hahn wrote:
> I'm playing with topics to see how they work.
> 
> I want to hold any message that doesn't match an existing topic.
> 
> (actually I'd also like to hold any message that has more than one topic, 
> but that can wait for step two)
> 
> let's say we have topics AAA and BBB and topics must be in subject.
> 
> if I use "subject: .*AAA.*|.*BBB.*" in the spam filters on the privacy 
> option page, it works backwords (as you would expect).  
> 
> how the heck do I "negate" that regular expression?
> 
> it would seem that 	"subject: [^.*AAA.*|.*BBB.*]" or 
> 			"subject: [^[.*AAA.*|.*BBB.*]]"
> 
> but those don't seem to work as they should
> 
> I'm obviously missing something simple (greedy matching perhaps?), but I 
> can't seem to see it.
> 
> any helpful hints???
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From warren at whoffman.com  Fri Feb 21 18:06:42 2003
From: warren at whoffman.com (Warren Hoffman)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:06:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 5, Issue 69
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030221120254.00b8b278@mail.whoffman.com>

We set the count to 90k and daily which results in one digest 99.9% of the 
time. I do appreciate that people on slow connections might prefer smaller 
digests, but then they could get individual messages or read the mail 
selectively via a web interface. I suspect most people on this list are on 
some sort of high speed connection. Anyway (and I have to confess my major 
profession concerns (people) group dynamics), it's a question of which 
norms suit the larger number of people or the people with the power. Maybe 
a vote is needed (for guidance).

--Warren
-------------
At 12:00 PM 2/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>From: John DeCarlo 
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Digests for this list
>Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:41:29 -0500
>To: Warren Hoffman 
>Message: 3
>
>Warren,
>
>How do you set up digests on the lists you run?

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From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net  Fri Feb 21 18:59:03 2003
From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:59:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reject all...
In-Reply-To: ;
	from nospam@rawfire.torche.com on Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 11:57:11PM -0800
References: 
Message-ID: <20030221125902.C25451@dogpound.vnet.net>

* Spam Collector (nospam at rawfire.torche.com) wrote:
>   Anyone know of a way to do a "reject all"?  My lists get a ton of spam,
> and it gets old selected reject over and over..

Check FAQ 1.12

> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

--
Matthew Davis
http://dogpound.vnet.net/

Thesaurus: ancient reptile with an excellent vocabulary.


From debian at firman.us  Fri Feb 21 19:18:37 2003
From: debian at firman.us (Andy Firman)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:18:37 -0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to 2.1
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030220142228.04246008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030220142228.04246008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200302210918.37964.debian@firman.us>

> >I am upgrading to 2.1 now from 2.0.13
> >a couple of questions
> >How safe is it to install into the previuos mailman directory
> > (/home/mailman)? If I do not install in the old directory how easy is it
> > to copy my lists across?
>
> I upgraded my production MM 2.0.13 to MM 2.1 (and later that to 2.1.1) by
> installing over the old installation without any problems. 

I would like to do the same but I am using Debian 3.0.

Any Debian users on this list?
How would I upgrade from 2.0.11?

When I installed the system I just did an apt-get install mailman.

Do I need to do a source install to upgrade?
Not sure if I can do that.

(same thing with Exim 3 to Exim 4.......I have no clue how to upgrade but
that question is probably not appropriate here.....)


From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Feb 21 19:29:14 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 21 Feb 2003 13:29:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Monthly password reminders
In-Reply-To: <3E54FA17.1060302@vet.fnt.hvu.nl>
References: <3E54FA17.1060302@vet.fnt.hvu.nl>
Message-ID: <1045852158.2192.39.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

Apples and Oranges?

When I set the list to no monthly reminders (Web-Admin/general) then
that stays set - even after I add folks to the list.  Is it changing for
you?

When I add folks to the list (Web-Admin/members/add), there is the
option to send them a "welcome message", but there is no individual
monthly password notification for them.
Note: the welcome message does contain the users password.

Take care - Jon Carnes

On Thu, 2003-02-20 at 10:53, Paul Dekkers wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> In the mailinglist configuration I specified that users should not get 
> monthly password reminders by default: when I add a new users to the 
> mailinglist however, I see that the password reminder IS enabled!
> Is this OK?
> 
> I'm using mailman-2.1.1
> 
> Regards,
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Feb 21 19:40:20 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 21 Feb 2003 13:40:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple-domain Mailman question
In-Reply-To: <20030221001432.GA990@babylon5.babcom.com>
References: <20030221001432.GA990@babylon5.babcom.com>
Message-ID: <1045852824.2192.51.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

On Thu, 2003-02-20 at 19:14, Phil Stracchino wrote:
> ....I think I may be trying to do something unsupported.

No. It is supported, and a common occurrence.  Feel free to read the
archives.
> 
> I just upgraded my Mailman installation from v2.0.6 to v2.1.1, and at
> the same time I'm preparing to switch my mail delivery domain over from
> babcom.com to caerllewys.net.  The webserver still advertises as
> www.babcom.com (although it answers to www.caerllewys.net as well).  Is
> there a defined way to migrate my existing Mailman lists from
> list at babcom.com to list at caerllewys.net?  

Yes. you will need to edit mm_cfg.py and modify the default host and url
values; then you will have to modify the existing host and url values in
your current lists - use the ~mailman/bin/fix_url.py utility (read that
file for examples, see the archives for other examples)

Note: Read ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py and copy any and all sections
that you want to modify over to mm_cfg.py

> I *also* want the lists to
> appear on the main Mailman listinfo page regardless of whether the
> listinfo page is invoked as http://www.babcom.com/mailman/listinfo or as
> http://www.caerllewys.net/mailman/listinfo.
> 
> Is this possible?

Yes.  You will need to change a setting in your mm_cfg.py file:

  # When set, the listinfo and admin overviews of lists
  # on the machine will be confined to only those lists
  # whose web_page_url configuration option host is
  # included within the URL by which the page is visited.
  # Only those "on the virtual host".  If unset, then all
  # advertised (i.e. public) lists are included in the
  # overview.
  # VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 1
  VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 0

> 
Good Luck - Jon Carnes



From rupa-list at rupa.com  Fri Feb 21 19:40:54 2003
From: rupa-list at rupa.com (Rupa Schomaker)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:40:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authentication doesn't "stick" for virtual domain
Message-ID: 

I have mailman setup with two virtual domains.  Emails seem to work
fine, but authentication on one of the virtual domains does not work.

Primary: www.rupa.com/mailman/... works fine
virtual: list.gurukuli.com/mailman/... doens't.

The symptom is that I can "login" on the virtual, but any action after
that dumps me back into the login screen.

Not sure how to debug this one.  I searched the archives, but didn't
see anything obvious.

Version: 2.1 + htdig pages (and all the ones associated with it)

This used to work with v2.0

-- 
-rupa



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Feb 21 19:56:55 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 21 Feb 2003 13:56:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Apache on different port
In-Reply-To: <86d6lmreqq.fsf@wintermute.g2ctech>
References: <86d6lmreqq.fsf@wintermute.g2ctech>
Message-ID: <1045853818.2192.54.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

A couple of folks have done this and they needed to use
~mailman/bin/fix_url.py to modify the url's inside the configurations of
their existing lists in order for it work.  You may also need to modify
the default urls in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py

Note: a redirect to the port will not work as the redirect loses all the
post information.

HtH, Jon Carnes

On Thu, 2003-02-20 at 13:25, Jorge Godoy wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> 
> I have apache listening on port 8080 here, so I access the mailman
> interface as http://server.home.com:8080/mailman/ -- this works just
> fine but then my problems start. Every link I click links correctly to
> the page, except for the port number on the URL. It prevents me from
> using the webinterface to create or maintain lists.
> 
> I'm using mailman-2.1.1 on a FreeBSD 5.0
> 
> 
> TIA,
> -- 
> Godoy.    
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Feb 21 19:58:58 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 21 Feb 2003 13:58:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reject all...
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1045853942.2192.56.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

This is a feature of Mailman version 2.1.  Upgrade to version 2.1.1

On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 02:57, Spam Collector wrote:
> 
> Hello..
>   Anyone know of a way to do a "reject all"?  My lists get a ton of spam,
> and it gets old selected reject over and over..
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> C.
> 




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Feb 21 20:15:16 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 21 Feb 2003 14:15:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1045854921.2192.61.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

Interesting... That is not supposed to happen in version 2.1 (are you
running the full version or one of the betas?)

>From the archives come wisdom in form of words from Barry:
===
I'm guessing somewhere along the way Python got upgraded and the
status of the crypt libraries changed (either they were there before
and not now, or vice versa).  Try setting USE_CRYPT=0 in your
mm_cfg.py file.

A better solution would be to upgrade to MM2.1.  It uses sha1 hashing,
which will always be available.
===

I don't think that MM2.1 recognizes the "USE_CRYPT" variable, but since
it is calling the older version of the Password handler, that may work.

Hope that works (or it's not a problem any more...)

On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 04:04, Andreas Moxnes wrote:
> hello,
> i've received a dump of different lists and archives
> from an older mailman version (don't know which version).
> i've installed mailman2.1, copied the lists to the mailman
> dir and used the ./bin/fix_url.py.
> 
> everything works fine exept for one thing: if an "old" user
> (from the previous version) asks mailman to send a passord-reminder,
> the following error occurs.
> 
> any tips?
> 
> thanks,
> _andreas.
> 
> Bug in Mailman version 2.1
> 
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
> this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
> happened. Thanks!
> 
> Traceback:
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py", line 169, in main
>     mlist.MailUserPassword(user)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py", line 87, in
> MailUserPassword
>     if not self.getMemberPassword(user):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 102, in
> getMemberPassword
>     raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member
> NotAMemberError: adbusters at adbusters.no
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Python information:
> Variable Value
> sys.version 2.2.2 (#3, Dec 30 2002, 15:34:51) [GCC 3.2 20020903 (Red Hat
> Linux 8.0 3.2-7)]
> sys.executable /usr/local/www/bin/python2.2
> sys.prefix /usr/local/www
> sys.exec_prefix /usr/local/www
> sys.path /usr/local/www
> sys.platform linux2
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Environment variables:
> Variable Value
> PATH_INFO  /110
> HTTP_ACCEPT  image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg,
> application/msword, application/vnd.ms-excel,
> application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, */*
> HTTP_PRAGMA  no-cache
> CONTENT_TYPE  application/x-www-form-urlencoded
> HTTP_REFERER  http://kunst.no/mailman/options/110
> SERVER_SOFTWARE  Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.3.0
> PYTHONPATH  /usr/local/mailman
> SCRIPT_FILENAME  /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/options
> SERVER_ADMIN  webmaster at dummy-host.example.com
> SCRIPT_NAME  /mailman/options
> SCRIPT_URI  http://kunst.no/mailman/options/110
> SERVER_SIGNATURE  Apache/1.3.27 Server at kunst.no Port 80
> REQUEST_METHOD  POST
> HTTP_HOST  kunst.no
> SCRIPT_URL  /mailman/options/110
> SERVER_PROTOCOL  HTTP/1.0
> QUERY_STRING
> REQUEST_URI  /mailman/options/110
> CONTENT_LENGTH  69
> HTTP_USER_AGENT  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 4.0)
> HTTP_CONNECTION  Keep-Alive
> HTTP_COOKIE
> 110+admin=280200000069a6ae533e732800000035366637623838333830323866653034666331393234323533346236353062323861633637633666;
> PHPSESSID=46be25a32188f7c0d5ff4a7acdaa9cc9
> SERVER_NAME  kunst.no
> REMOTE_ADDR  129.240.157.171
> REMOTE_PORT  3576
> HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE  en-us
> PATH_TRANSLATED  /usr/local/www/htdocs/kunst.no/110
> SERVER_PORT  80
> GATEWAY_INTERFACE  CGI/1.1
> SERVER_ADDR  158.36.77.162
> DOCUMENT_ROOT  /usr/local/www/htdocs/kunst.no
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From andreas.moxnes at notam02.no  Fri Feb 21 21:32:57 2003
From: andreas.moxnes at notam02.no (_andreas)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:32:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade
References: 
	<1045854921.2192.61.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <00ec01c2d9e8$6bedecb0$1b011d0a@isabelle>

hmm, no, USE_CRYPT=0 did not work.
I am using 2.1 full version.
Maybe there is a way to convert the user database to the current format?

_andreas.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Carnes" 
To: "Andreas Moxnes" 
Cc: "Mailman users Mailing list" 
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] upgrade


> Interesting... That is not supposed to happen in version 2.1 (are you
> running the full version or one of the betas?)
>
> >From the archives come wisdom in form of words from Barry:
> ===
> I'm guessing somewhere along the way Python got upgraded and the
> status of the crypt libraries changed (either they were there before
> and not now, or vice versa).  Try setting USE_CRYPT=0 in your
> mm_cfg.py file.
>
> A better solution would be to upgrade to MM2.1.  It uses sha1 hashing,
> which will always be available.
> ===
>
> I don't think that MM2.1 recognizes the "USE_CRYPT" variable, but since
> it is calling the older version of the Password handler, that may work.
>
> Hope that works (or it's not a problem any more...)

> On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 04:04, Andreas Moxnes wrote:
> > hello,
> > i've received a dump of different lists and archives
> > from an older mailman version (don't know which version).
> > i've installed mailman2.1, copied the lists to the mailman
> > dir and used the ./bin/fix_url.py.
> >
> > everything works fine exept for one thing: if an "old" user
> > (from the previous version) asks mailman to send a passord-reminder,
> > the following error occurs.
> >
> > any tips?
> >
> > thanks,
> > _andreas.
> >
> > Bug in Mailman version 2.1
> >
> > We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> > If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
of
> > this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
> > happened. Thanks!
> >
> > Traceback:
> >
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
> >     main()
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py", line 169, in main
> >     mlist.MailUserPassword(user)
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py", line 87, in
> > MailUserPassword
> >     if not self.getMemberPassword(user):
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 102, in
> > getMemberPassword
> >     raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member
> > NotAMemberError: adbusters at adbusters.no
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
> >
> > Python information:
> > Variable Value
> > sys.version 2.2.2 (#3, Dec 30 2002, 15:34:51) [GCC 3.2 20020903 (Red Hat
> > Linux 8.0 3.2-7)]
> > sys.executable /usr/local/www/bin/python2.2
> > sys.prefix /usr/local/www
> > sys.exec_prefix /usr/local/www
> > sys.path /usr/local/www
> > sys.platform linux2
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
> >
> > Environment variables:
> > Variable Value
> > PATH_INFO  /110
> > HTTP_ACCEPT  image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg,
> > application/msword, application/vnd.ms-excel,
> > application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, */*
> > HTTP_PRAGMA  no-cache
> > CONTENT_TYPE  application/x-www-form-urlencoded
> > HTTP_REFERER  http://kunst.no/mailman/options/110
> > SERVER_SOFTWARE  Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.3.0
> > PYTHONPATH  /usr/local/mailman
> > SCRIPT_FILENAME  /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/options
> > SERVER_ADMIN  webmaster at dummy-host.example.com
> > SCRIPT_NAME  /mailman/options
> > SCRIPT_URI  http://kunst.no/mailman/options/110
> > SERVER_SIGNATURE  Apache/1.3.27 Server at kunst.no Port 80
> > REQUEST_METHOD  POST
> > HTTP_HOST  kunst.no
> > SCRIPT_URL  /mailman/options/110
> > SERVER_PROTOCOL  HTTP/1.0
> > QUERY_STRING
> > REQUEST_URI  /mailman/options/110
> > CONTENT_LENGTH  69
> > HTTP_USER_AGENT  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 4.0)
> > HTTP_CONNECTION  Keep-Alive
> > HTTP_COOKIE
> >
110+admin=280200000069a6ae533e7328000000353666376238383338303238666530346663
31393234323533346236353062323861633637633666;
> > PHPSESSID=46be25a32188f7c0d5ff4a7acdaa9cc9
> > SERVER_NAME  kunst.no
> > REMOTE_ADDR  129.240.157.171
> > REMOTE_PORT  3576
> > HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE  en-us
> > PATH_TRANSLATED  /usr/local/www/htdocs/kunst.no/110
> > SERVER_PORT  80
> > GATEWAY_INTERFACE  CGI/1.1
> > SERVER_ADDR  158.36.77.162
> > DOCUMENT_ROOT  /usr/local/www/htdocs/kunst.no
>



From rupa-list at rupa.com  Fri Feb 21 21:35:25 2003
From: rupa-list at rupa.com (Rupa Schomaker)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:35:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] arch failure (MM2.1)
Message-ID: 

So, i wanted to re build my web archives...  Running:

bin/arch --wipe listname

did a bunch of work and then (python 2.1 from debian):

Pickling archive state into /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/kiwi/pipermail.pck
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/arch", line 187, in ?
    main()
  File "bin/arch", line 175, in main
    archiver.processUnixMailbox(fp, start, end)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 544, in processUnixMailbox
    m = mbox.next()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.1/mailbox.py", line 30, in next
    return self.factory(_Subfile(self.fp, start, stop))
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 79, in scrubber
    return mailbox.scrub(msg)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 99, in scrub
    return self._scrubber(self._mlist, msg)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 223, in process
    url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 302, in save_attachment
    decodedpayload = msg.get_payload(decode=1)
  File "/home/rupa/src/mailman/mailman-2.1/debian/mailman/var/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 189, in get_payload
    return Utils._bdecode(payload)
  File "/home/rupa/src/mailman/mailman-2.1/debian/mailman/var/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 75, in _bdecode
    value = base64.decodestring(s)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.1/base64.py", line 44, in decodestring
    return binascii.a2b_base64(s)
binascii.Error: Incorrect padding

-- 
-rupa



From skrishnan at panoramicfeedback.com  Fri Feb 21 23:17:54 2003
From: skrishnan at panoramicfeedback.com (S. Krishnan)
Date: 21 Feb 2003 17:17:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
	Problem with multiple subscription confirmation messages
Message-ID: <1045865874.11147.7.camel@frodo>

Hi,

I just upgraded my mailman 2.0.13 install to 2.1.1 by downloading and
installing from source. The previous version worked fine.  However,
2.1.1 has a major issue with subscription messages.  Every time someone
subscribes to a list, mailman sends them a mailing list subscription
confirmation notice.  With mailman 2.1.1, replying to this notice does
not seem to work.  Instead of confirming the subscription, it sends
*another* mailing list subscription confirmation notice, with a
different number.  Replying to this results in yet another subscription
confirmation notice! 

However, subscription confirmation off the web page works OK.  It is
only the confirmation by reply to the notice that is broken.

Could someone please help?

TIA,

Krishnan




From jay at ccs.neu.edu  Fri Feb 21 23:40:00 2003
From: jay at ccs.neu.edu (Jay Sekora)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:40:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with bogus un-unsubscribable user
Message-ID: <20030221224001.B006023482@maia.ccs.neu.edu>

Hi.  One of the list-admins at my site was testing the bulk-subscription
box under Mailman 2.1, and tried to subscribe an address that looked 
like (as he described it to me)

    f.bar at site.edu (Foo Bar)

but there must have been a tab in there because (according to 
mm_list_members) the address that actually got subscribed was

    f.bar at site.edu	foo

(all lowercase, no parentheses, but with a tab in the middle).  Now 
he can't unsubscribe that address via the web interface, and I can't 
unsubscribe it with remove_members.  Here's what I get (with the actual 
bits of the address changed for privacy's sake) when I try:

%  /priv/daemons/packages/mailman-2.1/mailman/bin/remove_members -f - com3351
f.bar at site.edu  foo			[typed with a tab; I've also tried
					sticking the address in a file and
					providing that]
[Control-D]
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/priv/daemons/packages/mailman-2.1/mailman/bin/remove_members", line 179, in ?
    main()
  File "/priv/daemons/packages/mailman-2.1/mailman/bin/remove_members", line 169, in main
    userack)
  File "/priv/daemons/packages/mailman-2.1/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 922, in ApprovedDeleteMember
    self.removeMember(emailaddr)
  File "/priv/daemons/packages/mailman-2.1/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 217, in removeMember
    self.__assertIsMember(member)
  File "/priv/daemons/packages/mailman-2.1/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 113, in __assertIsMember
    raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member
Mailman.Errors.NotAMemberError: f.bar at site.edufoo


So evidently the tab is getting stripped out before remove_members 
tries to unsubscribe, but not getting stripped out before the CGI 
script adds the address (and it seems to have messed up parsing of 
the comment in parentheses).

So to make a long story short:

(1) I guess this is a bug report, and

(2) Can anybody tell me how I can remove this address by hand?  (I 
can mostly make sense of Python when I read it, but I don't know enough 
Python to pull the bad value out of the .pck file.)

Thanks!

Jay


From godoy at ieee.org  Sat Feb 22 01:42:50 2003
From: godoy at ieee.org (Jorge Godoy)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:42:50 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
	Mailman 2.2.1 and Apache running on a different port
Message-ID: <8665rdxi0l.fsf@wintermute.g2ctech>


Hi!


I have apache running on port 8080 and when I try using the
administrative interface for, e.g., creating a mailing list, it
redirects or try accessing port 80. Mailman isn't keeping the ":8080"
after the domain name.

Is it a bug of mine or from Mailman's code?


TIA,
-- 
Godoy.   


From ler at lerctr.org  Sat Feb 22 01:47:16 2003
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:47:16 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  Mailman 2.2.1 and Apache running on a
 different port
In-Reply-To: <8665rdxi0l.fsf@wintermute.g2ctech>
References: <8665rdxi0l.fsf@wintermute.g2ctech>
Message-ID: <75250000.1045874836@lerlaptop.lerctr.org>



--On Friday, February 21, 2003 21:42:50 -0300 Jorge Godoy  
wrote:

>
> Hi!
>
>
> I have apache running on port 8080 and when I try using the
> administrative interface for, e.g., creating a mailing list, it
> redirects or try accessing port 80. Mailman isn't keeping the ":8080"
> after the domain name.
>
> Is it a bug of mine or from Mailman's code?
what mailman version, please?

>
>
> TIA,
> --
> Godoy.   
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
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From alaric at caerllewys.net  Sat Feb 22 02:04:42 2003
From: alaric at caerllewys.net (Phil Stracchino)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:04:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 install glitches
Message-ID: <20030222010442.GA2782@babylon5.babcom.com>

I finally got Mailman-2.1.1 doing what I want, but a certain amount of
trial and error in the data directory was involved.  It appears if you
have a umask set when you install it, you will end up with incorrect and
non-working permissions on data/aliases and data/aliases.db.


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From barry at python.org  Sat Feb 22 02:58:29 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:58:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] EFF Mailing List Query
Message-ID: <15958.55621.663963.264582@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


FYI,

>From the latest EFF mailer...
-Barry

-------------------- snip snip --------------------
* Mailing List Headaches? Contact us.

EFF believes that delivery of legitimate e-mail needs to be carefully
protected as a fundamental part of any solution to the spam problem.
Unfortunately, we've lately learned that more and more opt-in mailing
lists are being mislabeled as spam and wrongly blocked.  EFF is
looking for people who administer opt-in e-mail mailing lists and have
had difficulty because their messages have been mislabeled as spam,
causing delivery to fail.  Our hope is to connect the folks facing
this problem so that they can work together to find a global solution
that both respects the Internet as a place of free speech (and e-mail
as a vital organizing tool) while protecting Internet users and
sysadmins from the problems that *real* spam causes.  Contact
mailinglistsheadaches at eff.org.


From nospam at rawfire.torche.com  Sat Feb 22 03:11:19 2003
From: nospam at rawfire.torche.com (Spam Collector)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:11:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reject all...
In-Reply-To: <20030221125902.C25451@dogpound.vnet.net>
Message-ID: 


Thanks, I am aware of the FAQ, and the process that you suggested,
however I am not the owner of the machine, IE I run the lists via the
gui, , but  do not have command line access.  Ideally I thought this forum
would be  the best place to ask, and sugest that in the "held messages"
area there  be radio buttons at the top or bottom for "delete all" or
"approve all" etc.

C.

On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Matthew Davis wrote:

> * Spam Collector (nospam at rawfire.torche.com) wrote:
> >   Anyone know of a way to do a "reject all"?  My lists get a ton of spam,
> > and it gets old selected reject over and over..
>
> Check FAQ 1.12
>
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>
> --
> Matthew Davis
> http://dogpound.vnet.net/
>
> Thesaurus: ancient reptile with an excellent vocabulary.
>



From nospam at rawfire.torche.com  Sat Feb 22 03:12:06 2003
From: nospam at rawfire.torche.com (Spam Collector)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:12:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reject all...
In-Reply-To: <1045853942.2192.56.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: 

Right on!  I'll inquire to see if I can get this done.
C.


On 21 Feb 2003, Jon Carnes wrote:

> This is a feature of Mailman version 2.1.  Upgrade to version 2.1.1
>
> On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 02:57, Spam Collector wrote:
> >
> > Hello..
> >   Anyone know of a way to do a "reject all"?  My lists get a ton of spam,
> > and it gets old selected reject over and over..
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > C.
> >
>
>
>



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Feb 22 04:53:38 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 21 Feb 2003 22:53:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MemoryError in htmlformat.py
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1045886021.1614.25.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

Hmmm.... Now that is a good question!

I assume you tried copying the heldmsg files back into the data
directory and then running the web-admindb (and that didn't work?)

If so then try sending a message to the list that would be held for
moderation and then replace the heldmsg-...pck file that is created with
one of the ones you copied off (just renaming it). Then approve the
moderated message and see if that does the job proper.

If that doesn't work, you can use the strings command to find who sent
the message and drop them a note asking them to resend the message.

Good Luck (and let us know what happens!)

On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 18:53, Stephan Spencer wrote:
> Thanks for that, Jon.
> 
> I am indeed running 2.1.
> 
> I tried deleting held messages but that didn't work. I'm still getting 
> a low-level error:
> 
> Feb 21 17:38:44 2003 admin(32190): 
> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
> admin(32190): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1 -----]
> admin(32190): [----- Traceback ------]
> admin(32190): Traceback (most recent call last):
> admin(32190):   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in 
> run_main
> 
> I deleted request.db and it works fine now. I've made backups of the 15 
> or so legitimate held messages (heldmsg-bnb-list-xxx.pck).
> 
> How do I get those back into request.db?
> 
> Thanks,
> Stephan
> 
> 
> On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 04:54 AM, Jon Carnes wrote:
> 
> > What version of Mailman are you using?  (it looks like one of the 2.1.x
> > versions).
> >
> > Hope you have already fixed this by now, but just in case, here is
> > something you can try.  Look in the data directory for Mailman - this 
> > is
> > where the held messages are stored.  You can actually scan the heldmsg
> > files manually and delete ones that might be overly large.
> >
> > cd /usr/local/mailman/data
> > ls -l
> >
> > The default message format in version 2.1 is pickle (instead of text),
> > but you can still easily look at each held message by using the strings
> > command ("strings" is a utility that used to be loaded by default, if
> > you don't have it loaded it's very easy to find).
> >
> > strings heldmsg-b2b-list-1.pck
> >
> > Deleting the heldmsg's here does not delete them from your lists
> > "request.db" file, but when you run admindb for the list, that will
> > compare the heldmsg files to the ones in request.db and then update
> > request.db (the handling of the request.db file is a lot smarter in
> > version 2.1 of Mailman).
> >
> > In other words,once you launch the Web-admindb everything should sync 
> > up
> > and you will just see the messages you left that need approving.  It
> > *should* work at this point.  > you deleted the bad email>
> >
> > If not, I recommend removing that lists request.db file:
> > /usr/local/mailman/lists/b2b-list/request.db
> >
> > Just rename the file to something else and then try launching the
> > web-admindb again.
> >
> > Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> >
> > ======
> > On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 05:14, Stephan Spencer wrote:
> >> This one is out of my depth. The Tend to Pending Moderator Requests
> >> page has become inaccessible due to a MemoryError. The traceback
> >> follows below. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. (The list in
> >> question is gated to the moderated Usenet newsgroup
> >> rec.travel.bed+breakfast, so it gets a lot of incoming spam. Not sure
> >> if that has anything to do with the problem at hand, however.). 
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >>
> >> Traceback (most recent call last):
> >>    File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
> >>      main()
> >>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 236, in main
> >>      print doc.Format()
> >>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 331, in 
> >> Format
> >>      output.append(Container.Format(self, indent))
> >>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 264, in 
> >> Format
> >>      output.append(HTMLFormatObject(item, indent))
> >>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 50, in
> >> HTMLFormatObject
> >>      return item.Format(indent)
> >>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 417, in 
> >> Format
> >>      output = output + Container.Format(self, indent+2)
> >>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 264, in 
> >> Format
> >>      output.append(HTMLFormatObject(item, indent))
> >>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 50, in
> >> HTMLFormatObject
> >>      return item.Format(indent)
> >>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 200, in 
> >> Format
> >>      output = output + self.FormatRow(i, indent + 2)
> >> MemoryError
> >>
> >> Python information:
> >>
> >> Variable
> >> Value
> >>
> >> sys.version
> >> 2.2.2 (#1, Jan 14 2003, 02:49:11)  [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux
> >> 7.1 2.96-98)]
> >>
> >> sys.executable
> >> /usr/local/bin/python
> >>
> >> sys.prefix
> >> /usr/local
> >>
> >> sys.exec_prefix
> >> /usr/local
> >>
> >> sys.path
> >> /usr/local
> >>
> >> sys.platform
> >> linux2
> >>
> >> Environment variables:
> >>
> >> Variable
> >> Value
> >>
> >> PATH_INFO
> >> /bnb-list
> >>
> >> HTTP_ACCEPT
> >> */*
> >>
> >> CONTENT_TYPE
> >> application/x-www-form-urlencoded
> >>
> >> HTTP_REFERER
> >> http://www.innsite.com/mailman/admindb/bnb-list
> >>
> >> SERVER_SOFTWARE
> >> Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) PHP/4.2.3
> >>
> >> PYTHONPATH
> >> /usr/local/mailman
> >>
> >> SCRIPT_FILENAME
> >> /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb
> >>
> >> SERVER_ADMIN
> >> webmaster at innsite.com
> >>
> >> SCRIPT_NAME
> >> /mailman/admindb
> >>
> >> SCRIPT_URI
> >> http://www.innsite.com/mailman/admindb/bnb-list
> >>
> >> SERVER_SIGNATURE
> >> Apache/1.3.26 Server at www.innsite.com Port 80
> >>
> >> REQUEST_METHOD
> >> POST
> >>
> >> HTTP_HOST
> >> www.innsite.com
> >>
> >> SCRIPT_URL
> >> /mailman/admindb/bnb-list
> >>
> >> SERVER_PROTOCOL
> >> HTTP/1.0
> >>
> >> QUERY_STRING
> >>
> >> REQUEST_URI
> >> /mailman/admindb/bnb-list
> >>
> >> CONTENT_LENGTH
> >> 35
> >>
> >> PATH_TRANSLATED
> >> /www/data/innsite/bnb-list
> >>
> >> HTTP_USER_AGENT
> >> Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/48 (like
> >> Gecko) Safari/48
> >>
> >> HTTP_CONNECTION
> >> close
> >>
> >> HTTP_COOKIE
> >> Apache=219.88.207.149.5151045648465275
> >>
> >> SERVER_NAME
> >> www.innsite.com
> >>
> >> REMOTE_ADDR
> >> 219.88.207.149
> >>
> >> REMOTE_PORT
> >> 49346
> >>
> >> HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE
> >> en-us, ja;q=0.33, en;q=0.67
> >>
> >> SERVER_ADDR
> >> 66.250.38.164
> >>
> >> SERVER_PORT
> >> 80
> >>
> >> GATEWAY_INTERFACE
> >> CGI/1.1
> >>
> >> UNIQUE_ID
> >> PlNUVkL6JqQAAAICmwI
> >>
> >> DOCUMENT_ROOT
> >> /www/data/innsite
> >> ------------------------------------------------------
> >> Mailman-Users mailing list
> >> Mailman-Users at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> >> Searchable Archives: 
> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >>
> >> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com
> >
> >
> 




From cary at dotaku.com  Sat Feb 22 05:32:15 2003
From: cary at dotaku.com (cary)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 12:32:15 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shunting problem
Message-ID: <003a01c2da2b$63875e60$6601a8c0@archie>

- I create a new list
- Subscribe my self to the list
- Send a test message
- Mass subscribe 50 email addresses to the new list
- Send a message

It never arrives and it shunted. I checked the error log and I get this.
This is a little frustrating as new lists work but fail the moment I add
new users. 

Any pointers? 

Thanks, 

Cary. 

---------------
ERROR
---------------

Feb 21 22:28:26 2003 (28586) Uncaught runner exception: iterable
argument required
Feb 21 22:28:26 2003 (28586) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in
_dispose
    more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in
_dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 82, in process
    send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in
send_digests
    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in
send_i18n_digests
    msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 257, in
process
    url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 349, in
save_attachment
    ext = guess_extension(ctype, fnext)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 80, in
guess_extension
    if ext in all:
TypeError: iterable argument required



From alaric at caerllewys.net  Sat Feb 22 06:41:52 2003
From: alaric at caerllewys.net (Phil Stracchino)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 00:41:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 install glitches
In-Reply-To: <20030222010442.GA2782@babylon5.babcom.com>
References: <20030222010442.GA2782@babylon5.babcom.com>
Message-ID: <20030222054152.GB10772@babylon5.babcom.com>

One more question, if people will bear with me ....

My Postfix mailserver answers (for now) to both smtp.babcom.com and
smtp.caerllewys.net, and accepts mail for both.  Apache likewise serves
both www.babcom.com and www.caerllewys.net.  I want my lists to have mail
addresses such as foo at caerllewys.net, rather than smtp.caerllewys.net,
but I want the service page URLs to be http://www.caerllewys.net/...
rather than just http://caerllewys.net/...

I can get the first part of this equation, but I can't get Mailman to
consistently do the second.  I attach a sample for your perusal:

List-Id: 
List-Help: 
List-Post: 
List-Subscribe: ,
        
List-Archive: 
List-Unsubscribe: ,
        
Errors-To: moo-wizards-bounces at caerllewys.net

On Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 12:31:53AM -0500, Phil Stracchino wrote:
> Test
_______________________________________________
Moo-wizards mailing list
Moo-wizards at caerllewys.net
http://caerllewys.net/mailman/listinfo/moo-wizards


Note that List-Archive is http://www.caerllewys.net/pipermail/moo-wizards,
but every other URL is just http://caerllewys.net/mailman/...


What magic invocation do I need to use to fix this?  I've tried
everything I can think of, and I'm baffled.  What am I missing?


-- 
 .*********  Fight Back!  It may not be just YOUR life at risk.  *********.
 : phil stracchino : unix ronin : renaissance man : mystic zen biker geek :
 :  alaric at caerllewys.net : alaric-ruthven at earthlink.net : phil at latt.net  :
 :   2000 CBR929RR, 1991 VFR750F3 (foully murdered), 1986 VF500F (sold)   :
 :    Linux Now!   ...Because friends don't let friends use Microsoft.    :


From webperson at now.org  Sat Feb 22 06:59:30 2003
From: webperson at now.org (NOW Website Coordinator)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:59:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
	qfiles commands directory?  Tried to delete outgoing message....
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030221215738.00e1add0@now.org>

I was trying to stop an outgoing message and wasn't quite sure where to do 
it.  I deleted two files in the qfiles/commands directory which seemed to 
be relevant, but it was too late, the message was on its way out.

I've accepted that fact, now my questions are:

1) What problems could I have caused by deleting something in the 
qfiles/commands directory?
2) How *do* you stop an outgoing mailman message?

Thanks.


Sarah Stapleton-Gray
--------------------------------------------
Web Site Coordinator
National Organization for Women
http://www.now.org




From siffert at museworld.com  Sat Feb 22 11:32:26 2003
From: siffert at museworld.com (Curt Siffert)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 02:32:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newsletter / announce-only
Message-ID: 


I'm on 2.1 and I've followed all the recommended instructions on 
setting up a newsletter:
	1) all members with moderate bit
	2) all moderated members with polite reject
	3) all non-members with reject
	4) munged headers with explicit reply-to

Now I'm trying to figure out how to post but it doesn't look like 
there's an ideal solution.

1) unsetting the moderate bit for a user allows that user to mail to 
the list without intervention, which is great, BUT that user's email 
address appears in the Return-Path header in the message source.  This 
has me concerned about others forging that email address and being able 
to post to the list.  Is it possible to hide the approved senders' 
email addresses entirely?

2) I can put addresses in non-member sender filters for "Hold" but it 
would be nicer if they could also be subscribed (which are all 
hard-coded to reject).  I guess I want an option to say "Have all 
moderated members set to Reject, except for these addresses, set to 
Hold."

3) I can change everyone to "hold" but I'm worried about weighing down 
the moderator.

Any ideas?  It's so close to perfect.

Curt



From rupa-list at rupa.com  Sat Feb 22 12:53:12 2003
From: rupa-list at rupa.com (Rupa Schomaker)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 03:53:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig patches and information leakage
Message-ID: 

One can choose to search any archive (even private ones) by
constructing the URL correctly.  If "Short" mode one can find subjects
for the private list.  In "Long" mode one can find excerpts from the
private list.  Viewing the actual message requires logging in.

It seems to me that a better solution is to use a proxy cgi-bin
program for htsearch that first checks to see if the list is private
and if so do the same auth check that the htdig does (just error if
not authened) or actually ask for login info...  If the user is
authenticated or if it is a public list, then just exec the htsearch
cgi program.

-- 
-rupa



From godoy at ieee.org  Sat Feb 22 14:11:26 2003
From: godoy at ieee.org (Jorge Godoy)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 10:11:26 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  Mailman 2.2.1 and Apache running on a
 different port
In-Reply-To: <75250000.1045874836@lerlaptop.lerctr.org> (Larry Rosenman's
 message of "Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:47:16 -0600")
References: <8665rdxi0l.fsf@wintermute.g2ctech>
	<75250000.1045874836@lerlaptop.lerctr.org>
Message-ID: <86heawv4sh.fsf@wintermute.g2ctech>

Larry Rosenman  writes:

>> Is it a bug of mine or from Mailman's code?
> what mailman version, please?

Mailman 2.1.1... I'm sorry. I put it wrong in the Subject. 



-- 
Godoy.     

"Ser poeta n?o ? minha ambi??o, ? minha maneira de estar sozinho"
 (Being a poet is not my ambition, it's my way of being lonely)
				- Fernando Pessoa


From godoy at ieee.org  Sat Feb 22 14:21:52 2003
From: godoy at ieee.org (Jorge Godoy)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 10:21:52 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Apache on different port
In-Reply-To: <1045853818.2192.54.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> (Jon Carnes's
 message of "21 Feb 2003 13:56:55 -0500")
References: <86d6lmreqq.fsf@wintermute.g2ctech>
	<1045853818.2192.54.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <868yw8v4b3.fsf@wintermute.g2ctech>

Jon Carnes  writes:

> A couple of folks have done this and they needed to use
> ~mailman/bin/fix_url.py to modify the url's inside the configurations of
> their existing lists in order for it work.  You may also need to modify
> the default urls in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
>
> Note: a redirect to the port will not work as the redirect loses all the
> post information.
>
> HtH, Jon Carnes

Thanks, Jon!


I had to add the following to mm_cfg.py to make it work:

DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s:8080/mailman/'


If the %s match grabbed the port from the URL, this change wouldn't be
needed. Is there some way to implement that in newer versions? (Or is
it already done?)



See you,
-- 
Godoy.   


From peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu  Sat Feb 22 15:40:31 2003
From: peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu (Peter Bengtson)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:40:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving doesn't work under Mac OS X 10.1
Message-ID: <97BC0788-4673-11D7-9CFC-003065752102@musikelit.nu>

Some time ago, I reported that archiving doesn't work in Mailman 2.1.1 
under Mac OS X 10.1. Every attempt to archive a message would result in 
the following entry in 'logs/error':

> Feb 22 00:15:42 2003 (1950) SHUNTING: 
> 1045869340.680055+e0e16d1c92bfc3454ac70ca2586b40b6f9ba5a4e
> Feb 22 15:20:28 2003 (1950) Uncaught runner exception: 'module' object 
> has no attribute 'strptime'
> Feb 22 15:20:28 2003 (1950) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
>     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
>     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in 
> _dispose
>     mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
>   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 207, in 
> ArchiveMail
>     h.close()
>   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 304, in 
> close
>     self.update_dirty_archives()
>   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 518, in 
> update_dirty_archives
>     self.update_archive(i)
>   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1038, in 
> update_archive
>     self.__super_update_archive(archive)
>   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 424, in 
> update_archive
>     self._update_simple_index(hdr, archive, arcdir)
>   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 434, in 
> _update_simple_index
>     self.write_index_header()
>   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 955, in 
> write_index_header
>     print self.html_head()
>   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 640, in 
> html_head
>     d = {"listname": html_quote(mlist.real_name, self.lang),
>   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 638, in 
> quotetime
>     return html_quote(i18n.ctime(s), self.lang)
>   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 98, in ctime
>     year, mon, day, hh, mm, ss, wday, ydat, dst = time.strptime(date)
> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'strptime'

Further research shows that the offending function, strptime, doesn't 
exist in Mac OS X 10.1 - the function isn't defined, which causes 
HAVE_STRPTIME to become undefined by ./configure. (I don't know the 
situation under 10.2.). Doing a

	python
	import time
	time.strptime

results in an error message, saying that strptime is an unknown entity.

At first I thought this might be a bug which only showed up when 
archiving was set to something else than the distribution defaults, but 
changing or removing the date clobbering settings in mm_cfg.py didn't 
improve the situation. All archiving still seems to break.

A clean install of Python (2.2.2) doesn't improve the situation, either.

If 'strptime' is unavailable in 10.1, then all Mailman users under Mac 
OS X 10.1 wouldn't be able to archive any messages at all. Are there 
very few users on Mac OS X, or don't people generally use automatic 
archiving? I would be interested to hear from anybody who has got it to 
work under Mailman 2.x and Mac OS X 10.1.

Archiving used to work flawlessly - I have quite extensive archives 
produced by a now defunct mailing list - but in one of the later 
versions, presumable where the archiving routines were rewritten or 
updated, it stopped working.

Should Mailman assume that 'strptime' is available? Is there a 
workaround?

Any ideas or pointers most welcome.

	/ Peter Bengtson



From jan.kellermann at werk21.de  Sat Feb 22 18:11:35 2003
From: jan.kellermann at werk21.de (Jan Kellermann)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:11:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] personalize: user_name / user_address
Message-ID: <015801c2da95$74a9e9f0$0c01a8c0@lenin>

Hi!

We need personalized mails with the real username (user_name) or - when not
available - the emailaddress (user_address). But when I use the following:

Hallo %(user_name)s %(user_address)s!

I'll get in case of no user_name:
Hallo nicht verf?gbar kelly at werk21.de!

Is it possible that mailman writes nothing in case of no user_name?

Or better: where are these variables created so that there can be written an
either..or? Maybe in next version it were great to get a variable that is
set with the realname or - when not available - with the emailaddress.


thank you
kelly.




From jan.kellermann at werk21.de  Sat Feb 22 18:15:31 2003
From: jan.kellermann at werk21.de (Jan Kellermann)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:15:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] personalize: subscribe via email with realname
Message-ID: <016001c2da96$00dd5510$0c01a8c0@lenin>

Hi!

Is it possible to subscribe a mailinglist via email and give the realname in
the subject like you can give the address?

Thanks
Jan Kellermann




From Tspeight at rockygorge.com  Sat Feb 22 20:26:01 2003
From: Tspeight at rockygorge.com (Tspeight at rockygorge.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:26:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate Issue numbers
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030222112209.01c3ec88@travelhacker.net>

For the second time in a month Mailman 2.1 has created a Digest with the 
same "Issue #" as the previous Digest.  We are running RH 7.3.

Has any one else had this problem?

Thomas



From alaric at caerllewys.net  Sat Feb 22 20:46:44 2003
From: alaric at caerllewys.net (Phil Stracchino)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 14:46:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting those pesky addresses and URLs right
Message-ID: <20030222194644.GA28918@babylon5.babcom.com>

After much experimentation, I've discovered that the best I can do seems
to be a situation in which the list mailto addresses and URLs are
correct if I create a list with bin/newlist, but will be wrong if
created through the web interface.

I have the following settings:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'caerllewys.net'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.caerllewys.net'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
add_virtualhost('caerllewys.net','www.caerllewys.net')
VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 0

If I create a list with newlist, I get...
-----
To post to this list, send your email to:

  test at caerllewys.net

General information about the mailing list is at:

  http://www.caerllewys.net/mailman/listinfo/test
-----
...etc, and all the addresses and URLs in the headers are likewise
correct...
-----
List-Post: 
List-Subscribe: ,
        
-----
However, if I create my list through the web interface, I get instead
something like this...
-----
To post to this list, send your email to:

  test2 at www.caerllewys.net

General information about the mailing list is at:

  http://caerllewys.net/mailman/listinfo/test2
-----
...and the headers look like this...
-----
List-Post: 
List-Subscribe: ,
        
-----
Can anyone:
  (1)  offer a theory as to why this disparity should be present?
  (2)  offer any suggestions for how to fix it?

-- 
 .*********  Fight Back!  It may not be just YOUR life at risk.  *********.
 : phil stracchino : unix ronin : renaissance man : mystic zen biker geek :
 :  alaric at caerllewys.net : alaric-ruthven at earthlink.net : phil at latt.net  :
 :   2000 CBR929RR, 1991 VFR750F3 (foully murdered), 1986 VF500F (sold)   :
 :    Linux Now!   ...Because friends don't let friends use Microsoft.    :


From jbellin at atcllc.com  Fri Feb 21 22:36:06 2003
From: jbellin at atcllc.com (Bellin, Jennifer)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 15:36:06 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
Message-ID: 

I'm editing the default html for this page: http://lists.atcllc.com/mailman/listinfo/csenews

When you sign up to subscribe however, there are extra html tags that get included in the page that override my style sheet that I've attached...

for example, by viewing the source code on the page that follows the subscription page, you'll see a duplicate set of   and  tags above mine. However, the body tag that gets inserted, is overriding my body tag and cause the background color to be white instead of what I intended it to be. 

How can I eliminate this extra code being imposed on my code? 

Jenny


From PFoster at frk.com  Fri Feb 21 22:38:15 2003
From: PFoster at frk.com (Foster, Paul)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:38:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Images?
Message-ID: 

I am interested in a mail list where users can email images as well as text.
I did not see anywhere in the documentation is this exists.  Can mailman
support images as well as text?  If not, does anyone have any
recommendations?

Thanks.

From mmckenzie at unmc.edu  Fri Feb 21 23:39:29 2003
From: mmckenzie at unmc.edu (mmckenzie at unmc.edu)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:39:29 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error using postfix and mailman
Message-ID: 

I was trying to create a list via the cgi scripts but recieved the
following error!

See error:

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1


We're sorry, we hit a bug!


If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!
Traceback:


Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
    process_request(doc, cgidata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in
process_request
    sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 226, in create
    _update_maps()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 47, in
_update_maps
    raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)


Mitchell S. McKenzie
Intern
Learning Environment & Internet Services
University of Nebraska Medical Center
Phone: 559-9306
Cell Phone: 708-1493
Pager: 888-3832




From JosephDirosa at cs.com  Sat Feb 22 03:36:17 2003
From: JosephDirosa at cs.com (JosephDirosa at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:36:17 EST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
Message-ID: <55.39c65c10.2b883c21@cs.com>

I am trying to set up my list so people can subscribe or unsubscribe by just 
entering their email address on a specific page.. Any ideas?


Thanks.

From Swanko007 at aol.com  Sat Feb 22 04:59:49 2003
From: Swanko007 at aol.com (Swanko007 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:59:49 EST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions
Message-ID: <10d.202a77d2.2b884fb5@aol.com>

1.  Can this program delete the wrong addresses automatically, where as with 
aol you have to do it manually?

2.  Can you import your maillist from a dbf format and include it in your 
program or does it have to be reentered?

3. How many emails can be sent at one time?


Martiele Swanko
The Trumpeter Foundation
7757 SW 86th Street
Suite C-109
Miami, FL  33143
Phone (305)668-6462
Fax     (305)271-1140

Email: info at thetrumpeter.com
www.thetrumpeter.com

From alaric at caerllewys.net  Sat Feb 22 21:39:32 2003
From: alaric at caerllewys.net (Phil Stracchino)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:39:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error using postfix and mailman
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20030222203932.GC28743@babylon5.babcom.com>

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 04:39:29PM -0600, mmckenzie at unmc.edu wrote:
> I was trying to create a list via the cgi scripts but recieved the
> following error!


>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 226, in create
>     _update_maps()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 47, in
> _update_maps
>     raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
> RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
> /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)

The ownership and/or permissions on /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases.db
are incorrect.  Make sure that the user or group that the CGI runs under
(typically the gid you set in --with-cgi-gid) has write permissions to
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases.db.


-- 
 .*********  Fight Back!  It may not be just YOUR life at risk.  *********.
 : phil stracchino : unix ronin : renaissance man : mystic zen biker geek :
 :  alaric at caerllewys.net : alaric-ruthven at earthlink.net : phil at latt.net  :
 :   2000 CBR929RR, 1991 VFR750F3 (foully murdered), 1986 VF500F (sold)   :
 :    Linux Now!   ...Because friends don't let friends use Microsoft.    :


From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Sat Feb 22 21:50:40 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:50:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error using postfix and mailman
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20030222205040.GI12863@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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mmckenzie at unmc.edu wrote:
> I was trying to create a list via the cgi scripts but recieved the
> following error!
[...]
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
>     process_request(doc, cgidata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in
> process_request
>     sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 226, in create
>     _update_maps()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 47, in
> _update_maps
>     raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
> RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
> /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)

The permissions of /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases are likely not correct.
They should be something like:

    # ls -l aliases
    -rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman      4.0k Feb  8 00:04 aliases

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Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
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Gun control to end crime is like abolishing sex to prevent rape.

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Feb 22 22:02:23 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 22 Feb 2003 16:02:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users]
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1045947748.1614.3.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

Change the template in ~mailman/templates/en/..

If you want to make the changes just to one list, then see the archives
(basically create a directory ~mailman/list//en/.. and copy,
then edit the template there).

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 16:36, Bellin, Jennifer wrote:
> I'm editing the default html for this page: http://lists.atcllc.com/mailman/listinfo/csenews
> 
> When you sign up to subscribe however, there are extra html tags that get included in the page that override my style sheet that I've attached...
> 
> for example, by viewing the source code on the page that follows the subscription page, you'll see a duplicate set of   and  tags above mine. However, the body tag that gets inserted, is overriding my body tag and cause the background color to be white instead of what I intended it to be. 
> 
> How can I eliminate this extra code being imposed on my code? 
> 
> Jenny
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Feb 22 22:36:20 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 22 Feb 2003 16:36:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving doesn't work under Mac OS X 10.1
In-Reply-To: <97BC0788-4673-11D7-9CFC-003065752102@musikelit.nu>
References: <97BC0788-4673-11D7-9CFC-003065752102@musikelit.nu>
Message-ID: <1045949785.1610.50.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

The function is used only once in Mailman, inside i18n.py

  year, mon, day, hh, mm, ss, wday, ydat, dst = time.strptime(date)

You could easily replace this line of code with a small block that does
the same thing but without referencing the strptime function.

In fact, looking at the code, it looks like there is already an existing
block that would do this for you... Try deleting the 4 lines of code
that I marked with an * 

    if isinstance(date, StringType):
        try:
*            year, mon, day, hh, mm, ss, wday, ydat, dst = 
                time.strptime(date)
*            tzname = time.tzname[dst and 1 or 0]
*        except ValueError:
*            try:
                wday, mon, day, hms, year = date.split()
                hh, mm, ss = hms.split(':')
                year = int(year)
                day = int(day)
                hh = int(hh)
                mm = int(mm)
                ss = int(ss)
            except ValueError:
                return date
===
If that works then you won't need the time.strptime function at all.

Good Luck - Jon 

BTW: good detective work tracing down the lack of strptime function in
Max OSX v10.1!

On Sat, 2003-02-22 at 09:40, Peter Bengtson wrote:
> Some time ago, I reported that archiving doesn't work in Mailman 2.1.1 
> under Mac OS X 10.1. Every attempt to archive a message would result in 
> the following entry in 'logs/error':
> 
> > Feb 22 00:15:42 2003 (1950) SHUNTING: 
> > 1045869340.680055+e0e16d1c92bfc3454ac70ca2586b40b6f9ba5a4e
> > Feb 22 15:20:28 2003 (1950) Uncaught runner exception: 'module' object 
> > has no attribute 'strptime'
> > Feb 22 15:20:28 2003 (1950) Traceback (most recent call last):
> >   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
> >     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
> >   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
> >     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
> >   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in 
> > _dispose
> >     mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
> >   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 207, in 
> > ArchiveMail
> >     h.close()
> >   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 304, in 
> > close
> >     self.update_dirty_archives()
> >   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 518, in 
> > update_dirty_archives
> >     self.update_archive(i)
> >   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1038, in 
> > update_archive
> >     self.__super_update_archive(archive)
> >   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 424, in 
> > update_archive
> >     self._update_simple_index(hdr, archive, arcdir)
> >   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 434, in 
> > _update_simple_index
> >     self.write_index_header()
> >   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 955, in 
> > write_index_header
> >     print self.html_head()
> >   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 640, in 
> > html_head
> >     d = {"listname": html_quote(mlist.real_name, self.lang),
> >   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 638, in 
> > quotetime
> >     return html_quote(i18n.ctime(s), self.lang)
> >   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 98, in ctime
> >     year, mon, day, hh, mm, ss, wday, ydat, dst = time.strptime(date)
> > AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'strptime'
> 
> Further research shows that the offending function, strptime, doesn't 
> exist in Mac OS X 10.1 - the function isn't defined, which causes 
> HAVE_STRPTIME to become undefined by ./configure. (I don't know the 
> situation under 10.2.). Doing a
> 
> 	python
> 	import time
> 	time.strptime
> 
> results in an error message, saying that strptime is an unknown entity.
> 
> At first I thought this might be a bug which only showed up when 
> archiving was set to something else than the distribution defaults, but 
> changing or removing the date clobbering settings in mm_cfg.py didn't 
> improve the situation. All archiving still seems to break.
> 
> A clean install of Python (2.2.2) doesn't improve the situation, either.
> 
> If 'strptime' is unavailable in 10.1, then all Mailman users under Mac 
> OS X 10.1 wouldn't be able to archive any messages at all. Are there 
> very few users on Mac OS X, or don't people generally use automatic 
> archiving? I would be interested to hear from anybody who has got it to 
> work under Mailman 2.x and Mac OS X 10.1.
> 
> Archiving used to work flawlessly - I have quite extensive archives 
> produced by a now defunct mailing list - but in one of the later 
> versions, presumable where the archiving routines were rewritten or 
> updated, it stopped working.
> 
> Should Mailman assume that 'strptime' is available? Is there a 
> workaround?
> 
> Any ideas or pointers most welcome.
> 
> 	/ Peter Bengtson
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Feb 22 23:01:35 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 22 Feb 2003 17:01:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error using postfix and mailman
In-Reply-To: <20030222203932.GC28743@babylon5.babcom.com>
References: 
	 
	<20030222203932.GC28743@babylon5.babcom.com>
Message-ID: <1045951299.1610.80.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

When setup properly (using the README.POSTFIX) then /usr/sbin/postalias
(Postfix) will access the alias files as user mailman.

The files in /usr/local/mailman/data/.. should be set as:
-rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman      4919 Feb 11 17:08 aliases
-rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman     12288 Feb 11 17:08 aliases.db

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Sat, 2003-02-22 at 15:39, Phil Stracchino wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 04:39:29PM -0600, mmckenzie at unmc.edu wrote:
> > I was trying to create a list via the cgi scripts but recieved the
> > following error!
> 
> 
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 226, in create
> >     _update_maps()
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 47, in
> > _update_maps
> >     raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
> > RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
> > /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)
> 
> The ownership and/or permissions on /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases.db
> are incorrect.  Make sure that the user or group that the CGI runs under
> (typically the gid you set in --with-cgi-gid) has write permissions to
> /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases.db.
> 
> 




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Feb 22 23:05:27 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 22 Feb 2003 17:05:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
In-Reply-To: <55.39c65c10.2b883c21@cs.com>
References: <55.39c65c10.2b883c21@cs.com>
Message-ID: <1045951531.1614.86.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

You should point them to the Listinfo page for your list.

On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 21:36, JosephDirosa at cs.com wrote:
> I am trying to set up my list so people can subscribe or unsubscribe by just 
> entering their email address on a specific page.. Any ideas?
> 
> 
> Thanks.
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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Feb 22 23:08:17 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 22 Feb 2003 17:08:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Images?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1045951701.1614.89.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

You can allow your lists to pass pictures or not, its up to you. 
Mailman can handle anything that email can handle.  By default it will
pass all sorts of attachments.  

On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 16:38, Foster, Paul wrote:
> I am interested in a mail list where users can email images as well as text.
> I did not see anywhere in the documentation is this exists.  Can mailman
> support images as well as text?  If not, does anyone have any
> recommendations?
> 
> Thanks.
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> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Feb 22 23:43:19 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 22 Feb 2003 17:43:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  qfiles commands directory?  Tried to delete
	outgoing message....
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030221215738.00e1add0@now.org>
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030221215738.00e1add0@now.org>
Message-ID: <1045953803.1610.103.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

The first thing you do is stop your mail server:
  /etc/rc.d/init.d/sendmail stop

Next stop Mailman from processing the queues:
  /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop

Now find the message.  Is it in the mailservers outbound queue?
  /var/spool/mqueue/..

There are host of commands (depending on your MTA) to tell you if a
message is in your outbound queue.  For sendmail the following works:
  sendmail -bp

You can also look at the logs for both Mailman and the MTA to see where
the message is currently in the system.

The mailman queues are in:
  /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/..

If you have stopped the Mailmanctl daemon from running then you can
delete the msg.db and msg.pck files for a message without any harm.
======

Unless you move at super-sonic speeds you are not going to intercept the
message before Mailman has processed it (unless we're talking about a
really big list or a truly ancient mail server), so more than likely you
will be dealing with the MTA on the box.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Sat, 2003-02-22 at 00:59, NOW Website Coordinator wrote:
> I was trying to stop an outgoing message and wasn't quite sure where to do 
> it.  I deleted two files in the qfiles/commands directory which seemed to 
> be relevant, but it was too late, the message was on its way out.
> 
> I've accepted that fact, now my questions are:
> 
> 1) What problems could I have caused by deleting something in the 
> qfiles/commands directory?
> 2) How *do* you stop an outgoing mailman message?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Sarah Stapleton-Gray
> --------------------------------------------
> Web Site Coordinator
> National Organization for Women
> http://www.now.org
> 
> 
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Feb 22 23:51:06 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 22 Feb 2003 17:51:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions
In-Reply-To: <10d.202a77d2.2b884fb5@aol.com>
References: <10d.202a77d2.2b884fb5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1045954270.1610.111.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 22:59, Swanko007 at aol.com wrote:
> 1.  Can this program delete the wrong addresses automatically, where as with 
> aol you have to do it manually?

Nothing deletes a "wrong" address automatically, but if the address
bounces too often then Mailman will automatically move the address over
to "No Mail" so that it no longer sends mail to the address.

> 
> 2.  Can you import your maillist from a dbf format and include it in your 
> program or does it have to be reentered?

DBF format - no.  You can dump your mailing list out to a text file (one
address per line) and then use that to subscribe folks.
> 
> 3. How many emails can be sent at one time?

How many emails can your mailserver handle?

Note: Mailman is not a personal mailing list handler, it is a server
(web-based) mailing list management application that is designed for
corporate or community use.  If can easily be installed on any common
version of Unix or Linux (or Mac OS-X), but it is not really suitable
for use on a Windows based server.




From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com  Sun Feb 23 00:34:51 2003
From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:34:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing Moderate Bit
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030222183059.036a6460@64.65.196.198>

I have a list with a little over 3,000 members, that I want to change to a 
Newsletter-type list.  To do this,  I need to set the Moderate bit for each 
subscribed member.   Is there any way to bulk change the Moderate bit for 
the entire list?  I looked through the scripts in the bin directory, but 
did not see any command to perform this task.

Thanks!

Larry



From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com  Sun Feb 23 00:51:33 2003
From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:51:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing Moderate Bit
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030222183059.036a6460@64.65.196.198>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030222185031.036a6c40@192.168.0.3>

Please disregard this previous post -- I forgot to look at the Web 
interface for this option.

Larry


At 06:34 PM 2/22/2003, you wrote:
>I have a list with a little over 3,000 members, that I want to change to a 
>Newsletter-type list.  To do this,  I need to set the Moderate bit for 
>each subscribed member.   Is there any way to bulk change the Moderate bit 
>for the entire list?  I looked through the scripts in the bin directory, 
>but did not see any command to perform this task.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Larry



From mailmanuser at sgster.dyndns.org  Sun Feb 23 03:40:37 2003
From: mailmanuser at sgster.dyndns.org (Steve Sterling)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:40:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List email pre-approval
Message-ID: 

With Majordomo, you could pre-approve a message to the list, say from an
otherwise unsubscribed user or to a moderated list.

I tried with my mailman, but it treats the Approved:  first line
as normal message body. Somewhere, I remember seeing that Mailman supports
such things, but can't find any documentation on syntax, etc.

Can anyone point me the right direction, or is that not a feature?

Steve



From jjlasalle at attbi.com  Sun Feb 23 05:08:42 2003
From: jjlasalle at attbi.com (Jim LaSalle)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 23:08:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin problems
Message-ID: <3E58494A.4090005@attbi.com>

I don't think my Mailman admin html pages are working.  I can login but 
I can't defer/accept/reject/discard any of the messages. I click "submit 
all data" but I'm returned to the same page and nothing is done.

What am I doing wrong?  I've never seen a working installation of 
Mailman so I don't know how it should perform.

Thanks.



From j-devenish at users.sourceforge.net  Sun Feb 23 05:26:13 2003
From: j-devenish at users.sourceforge.net (James Devenish)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 12:26:13 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin problems
In-Reply-To: <3E58494A.4090005@attbi.com>
References: <3E58494A.4090005@attbi.com>
Message-ID: <20030223042613.GA6235@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au>

In message <3E58494A.4090005 at attbi.com>
on Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 11:08:42PM -0500, Jim LaSalle wrote:
> I don't think my Mailman admin html pages are working.  I can login but 
> I can't defer/accept/reject/discard any of the messages. I click "submit 
> all data" but I'm returned to the same page and nothing is done.
> 
> What am I doing wrong?

This is the same symptom I experienced with admindb (even though main
admin worked for me). See archived discussion from *this month*:





From j-devenish at users.sourceforge.net  Sun Feb 23 08:14:51 2003
From: j-devenish at users.sourceforge.net (James Devenish)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:14:51 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin problems
In-Reply-To: <3E5871B2.8010104@attbi.com>
References: <3E58494A.4090005@attbi.com>
	<20030223042613.GA6235@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> <3E5858BC.4010804@attbi.com>
	<20030223051919.GA6838@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au> <3E5871B2.8010104@attbi.com>
Message-ID: <20030223071451.GA7958@gulag.guild.uwa.edu.au>

The original poster has had success. For anyone trawling the archives,
here are some notes (hope he doesn't mind me posting them here):

> Got it! Mailman is great but the docs are confusing.
[...]
> adding these two lines at the bottom of mm_cfg.py
> solved the problem:
> 
> ## Put YOUR site-specific settings in /bin/mm_cfg.py
> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/'
> #
> 
> I then ran  fix_url on my mail list (teachlist in my example below)
> ./withlist -l -r fix_url teachlist




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Feb 23 15:06:53 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 23 Feb 2003 09:06:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List email pre-approval
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1046009217.2215.1.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

Could this be the problem:
 When searching for an Approve/Approved header, the first
          non-whitespace line of the body of the message is also
          checked, if the body has a MIME type of text/plain.

Can your mailclient add the Approve line as a header?

On Sat, 2003-02-22 at 21:40, Steve Sterling wrote:
> With Majordomo, you could pre-approve a message to the list, say from an
> otherwise unsubscribed user or to a moderated list.
> 
> I tried with my mailman, but it treats the Approved:  first line
> as normal message body. Somewhere, I remember seeing that Mailman supports
> such things, but can't find any documentation on syntax, etc.
> 
> Can anyone point me the right direction, or is that not a feature?
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
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> 
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From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk  Sun Feb 23 15:25:00 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:25:00 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig patches and information leakage
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030223140820.04162380@pop3.demon.co.uk>

At 11:53 22/02/2003, Rupa Schomaker wrote:
>One can choose to search any archive (even private ones) by
>constructing the URL correctly.  If "Short" mode one can find subjects
>for the private list.  In "Long" mode one can find excerpts from the
>private list.  Viewing the actual message requires logging in.

I'm addressing the issue raised above in the context of the #444884 patch 
on sourceforge. If you were not referring to that patch to integrate htdig 
with MM thanks anyway for highlighting a potential problem.

In "normal" use this problem does not arise as access to the search form 
for a private list archive is from the list's TOC page which requires 
authentication by CGI script private.py to access. Also search results are 
links which go via the CGI script htdig.py which enforces the same rules as 
private.py

But it is possible for a malicious user to bypass the search form on a 
private list's archive TOC page (and thus avoid logon via the MM private.py 
CGI script) and construct a URL which will get them search results from a 
private list's htdig indexes. Thus leakage via the page returned by 
htsearch, rather than the pages which links on that page point to, is possible.

>It seems to me that a better solution is to use a proxy cgi-bin
>program for htsearch that first checks to see if the list is private
>and if so do the same auth check that the htdig does (just error if
>not authened) or actually ask for login info...  If the user is
>authenticated or if it is a public list, then just exec the htsearch
>cgi program.

I'll post a revised version of patch #444884 tomorrow that deals with the 
issue you've raised and provides an update path for existing installations 
using the patch.

>--
>-rupa



From mitchell at cuip.net  Sun Feb 23 15:54:01 2003
From: mitchell at cuip.net (Mitchell Marks)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 08:54:01 -0600
Subject: auto unsub vs auto no-mail   Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions
In-Reply-To: <1045954270.1610.111.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
References: <10d.202a77d2.2b884fb5@aol.com>
 <10d.202a77d2.2b884fb5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030223083003.05c3d910@cuip.uchicago.edu>

At 04:51 PM 2/22/03, Jon Carnes wrote:
>On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 22:59, Swanko007 at aol.com wrote:
> > 1.  Can this program delete the wrong addresses automatically, where as 
> with
> > aol you have to do it manually?
>
>Nothing deletes a "wrong" address automatically, but if the address
>bounces too often then Mailman will automatically move the address over
>to "No Mail" so that it no longer sends mail to the address.

Is this strictly so, under 2.1 (or 2.1.1)?  Our list-owners get notices 
like this:

>Subject: WIT-L unsubscribe notification
>To: wit-l-owner at lists.cuip.net
>
>bshegog at excite.com has been removed from WIT-L.

And when we look at the membership roster for that list, the address in 
question will be just gone, not "No Mail".

In fact our list owners would prefer to only have automatic no-mail, not 
automatic complete removal.  That way they can look into the problem and 
either correct the address or reactivate it if it was only a temporary 
problem (though exceeding MM's grace period, I guess).

I can't seem to find the settings to turn off automatic full-unsubscribe, 
while retaining automatic no-mail and owner notification.  Short of turning 
off bounce-processing altogether, that is.

Here are the settings under "Bounce Processing" from one of our lists, 
where I was trying to prevent full-unsubscribe by trickery with the timing 
(that is, the combination of bounce_info_stale_after and 
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval).  Suggestions for better ways of 
getting this result will be much appreciated.   Maybe just raise the 
threshhold way up?  (But the list owners do want to be alerted to bad 
addresses...)

Here are the current settings:

bounce_processing: Yes
bounce_score_threshold: 5.0
bounce_info_stale_after: 7
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings: 10
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval: 8
bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner: Yes
bounce_notify_owner_on_disable: Yes
bounce_notify_owner_on_removal: Yes

Thanks for your help,

   Mitch Marks



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With their looking-glassy futures
   And those Samsonited pasts



From insider at screenwriter.com  Sat Feb 22 22:11:17 2003
From: insider at screenwriter.com (Screenwriters Online)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:11:17 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
Message-ID: 

1) When we do a test mail  and send to the list ( the list is 3 email 
addresses at screenriter.com)
our other screenwriter.com addresses never receive the mail.

2) When we subscribe from the web browser, we receive the  email but 
when the subscriber confirms, he never gets a confirmation email and 
his name is never in the viewable list.

The only names in the list are the three that we put in using the 
mass list function.

Can you tell what is wrong? or what we're doing wrong? Are you sure 
it's configured properly?

we're on a solaris computer at verio .net

and we interface with our g4 macintosh using system 9.2.2

thank you for your help



From mailmanuser at sgster.dyndns.org  Sun Feb 23 20:00:47 2003
From: mailmanuser at sgster.dyndns.org (Steve Sterling)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:00:47 -0800
Subject: FW: [Mailman-Users] List email pre-approval
Message-ID: 

Thanks to all who have responded. To the questions posed back:
a) The pre-approved messages are all text, and the mime-type is set to plain
text in the header (I checked on one to be sure!). They are generated from a
mailer routine on a website, so are consistent (don't vary from user to
user).
b) I don't see a parameter I can use in the mailer ASP that will add a line
to the header. Will check, as I can appreciate that would be a better way to
do it.
b) The Approved:  is the first line in the body, which under
Majordomo would be stripped. There is no whitespace before the "A" in
approved. The true body of the message then follows on the 2nd line in the
message body (no blank line between).
c) the password is the Administrator's password for this list.
d)Maybe the format of the approval command I am using is incorrect. It is
"Approved: password" . This worked under MajorDomo. Should I use Approve or
approve or no colon or no whitespace after the colon or ??

Thanks again to all who have offered help. We will solve this. Main thing, I
have confirmation from you all that Mailman should perform this function if
I get the format/syntax correct.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: JC Dill [mailto:lists at vo.cnchost.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 10:00 AM
To: Steve Sterling
Cc: Jon Carnes; Mailman users Mailing list
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] List email pre-approval


> On Sat, 2003-02-22 at 21:40, Steve Sterling wrote:
>
>> With Majordomo, you could pre-approve a message to the list, say
>> from an otherwise unsubscribed user or to a moderated list.
>>
>> I tried with my mailman, but it treats the Approved: 
>> first line as normal message body. Somewhere, I remember seeing
>> that Mailman supports such things, but can't find any documentation
>> on syntax, etc.

Jon Carnes wrote:
> Could this be the problem: When searching for an Approve/Approved
> header, the first non-whitespace line of the body of the message is
> also checked, if the body has a MIME type of text/plain.
>
> Can your mailclient add the Approve line as a header?

I suspect the problem is due to sending the message with formatted text
(not MIME type text/plain) and *also* using the Approved line as the
first line in the body of the message.  If you need for non-subscribers
to be able to send formatted posts from a client that won't allow adding
an Approved header, you can just specify approved posters.  The option
is found under Privacy Options, Sender Filters, at:

	~mailman/admin/listname/privacy/sender

Then any message from one of the approved email addresses will be sent
on without requiring further approval.

***Warning***

If an email virus which uses email addresses found on a victim's
computer manages to grab one of these approved addresses and use it as
the "From" and also coincidentally grabs your mailing list submission
address and uses it as the "To", your list will accept the virus laden
email and distribute the virus to your whole list.  This coincidence is
not unlikely, since both addresses will be found together in the inbox
or address book of your subscribers.  One infected subscriber can then
infect your whole list.

(I have a friend who has a large newsletter list and who has been
repeatedly falsely accused of spreading viruses when a virus forged her
list address as the "From" and then sent the virus *directly* to a list
subscriber (her subscribers also often know each other directly, thus
one subscriber who has the list address in her address book will also
have another subscriber's address in her address book too).  She is
sticking with the Approved header to ensure that it will be more
difficult for a virus to manage to forge her approved address and send
to her list submission address.)

If this list is a distribution list (not a discussion list), you may
want to hide the sender address, so that the automatically approved
submission addresses are not disclosed to the list recepients.  This is
the last item under General List Personality at:

	~/mailman/admin/listname/general

jc





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Feb 23 20:14:12 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 23 Feb 2003 14:14:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1046027657.2049.4.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

Check your Mail logs (and the Mailman logs).  Sounds like you are
running a virtual domain and the Mail setup is not yet working
properly.  A common problem is to setup a catch-all address for a domain
and all mail ends up going there (as opposed to going to one of the
Mailman aliases or one of the local users).

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Sat, 2003-02-22 at 16:11, Screenwriters Online wrote:
> 1) When we do a test mail  and send to the list ( the list is 3 email 
> addresses at screenriter.com)
> our other screenwriter.com addresses never receive the mail.
> 
> 2) When we subscribe from the web browser, we receive the  email but 
> when the subscriber confirms, he never gets a confirmation email and 
> his name is never in the viewable list.
> 
> The only names in the list are the three that we put in using the 
> mass list function.
> 
> Can you tell what is wrong? or what we're doing wrong? Are you sure 
> it's configured properly?
> 
> we're on a solaris computer at verio .net
> 
> and we interface with our g4 macintosh using system 9.2.2
> 
> thank you for your help
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From ian at ichilton.co.uk  Sun Feb 23 22:00:16 2003
From: ian at ichilton.co.uk (Ian Chilton)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 21:00:16 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the Member Options Page???
Message-ID: <20030223210016.GH19994@roadrunner.ichilton.net>

Hello,

I have changed the listinfo and user options page from the admin
interface, however there is another page I need to change but I can't
find the template anywhere.

If you go to the listinfo page and click the "Unsubscribe or edit
options" button with nothing in the box, you get a page titled:
" list: member options login page"

How can I modify this page?


[Please CC replies to ian at ichilton.co.uk]


Thanks!

--ian



From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Sun Feb 23 22:15:32 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:15:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the Member Options Page???
In-Reply-To: <20030223210016.GH19994@roadrunner.ichilton.net>
References: <20030223210016.GH19994@roadrunner.ichilton.net>
Message-ID: <20030223211532.GE18930@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Ian Chilton wrote:
> I have changed the listinfo and user options page from the admin
> interface, however there is another page I need to change but I can't
> find the template anywhere.
>
> If you go to the listinfo page and click the "Unsubscribe or edit
> options" button with nothing in the box, you get a page titled:
> " list: member options login page"
>
> How can I modify this page?

I don't think you can modify this from a simple template.  I believe that
you'll need to edit ~mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py to make changes here.
Of course, if I'm mistaken I'm sure that one of the more knowledgeable folks
here will set me straight.

- -- 
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From sumeetp at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 23 22:23:58 2003
From: sumeetp at hotmail.com (Sumeet)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:23:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
	Upgrade from 2.0.x to 2.1.1-- incorrect padding error.
Message-ID: 

Upgrade from 2.0.x to 2.1.1 has caused the following error during sending
digests i suppose. There is a bug about base64 already open. Am I running
into the same thing here?
As a side note does anyone else think that Mailman has reached a state of
perfection in terms of usability/features? I can't imagine it being too much
better.
 Thanks, sumeet.:
[root at mailman root]# /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/senddigests
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main
    mlist.send_digest_now()
  File "/list/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now
    ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp)
  File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in send_digests
    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in send_i18n_digests
    msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
  File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 252, in process
    payload = part.get_payload(decode=1)
  File "/list//pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 189, in get_payload
    return Utils._bdecode(payload)
  File "/list//pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 75, in _bdecode
    value = base64.decodestring(s)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/base64.py", line 44, in decodestring
    return binascii.a2b_base64(s)
binascii.Error: Incorrect padding

Sending relevent logs:
Feb 23 11:27:47 2003 (24968) SHUNTING:
1046028467.287553+80336bf6d6db1c808bd7e3bceaa7256b5c4ff
419
Feb 23 11:36:38 2003 (24968) Uncaught runner exception: Incorrect padding
Feb 23 11:36:38 2003 (24968) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/list//Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/list//Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/list//Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose
    more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/list//Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/list//Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 82, in process
    send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/list//Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in send_digests
    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/list//Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in send_i18n_digests
    msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
  File "/list//Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 252, in process
    payload = part.get_payload(decode=1)
  File "/list//pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 189, in get_payload
    return Utils._bdecode(payload)
  File "/list//pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 75, in _bdecode
    value = base64.decodestring(s)
  File "/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/base64.py",
line 44, in decodestr
ing
    return binascii.a2b_base64(s)
Error: Incorrect padding

Also saw this right under it, but don't think it's related:

Feb 23 12:41:11 2003 admin(18322):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(18322): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1.1 -----]
admin(18322): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(18322): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(18322):   File "/list/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
admin(18322):     main()
admin(18322):   File "/list/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 146, in main
admin(18322):     heldmsg_confirm(mlist, doc, cookie)
admin(18322):   File "/list/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 590, in
heldmsg_confirm
admin(18322):     ign, sender, msgsubject, ign, ign, ign =
mlist.GetRecord(id)
admin(18322):   File "/list/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 170, in GetRecord
admin(18322):     type, data = self.__db[id]
admin(18322): KeyError: 1
admin(18322): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(18322): sys.version     =   2.2.1 (#1, Aug 30 2002, 12:15:30)
[GCC 3.2 20020822 (Red Hat Linux Rawhide 3.2-4)]
admin(18322): sys.executable  =   /usr/bin/python
admin(18322): sys.prefix      =   /usr
admin(18322): sys.exec_prefix =   /usr
admin(18322): sys.path        =   /usr
admin(18322): sys.platform    =   linux2
admin(18322): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(18322):   CONTENT_LENGTH: 69
admin(18322):   CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
admin(18322):   HTTP_COOKIE:
ops+admin=28020000006961b4583e73280000003437643234313634396466613
6316665373033646534393466373437343766326335313566643635;
mailman+admin=280200000069482e593e732
8000000303262323139363935666239363036633734663864363135613637643862323738343
86364633433
admin(18322):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /var/mailman/cgi-bin/confirm
admin(18322):   PYTHONPATH: /list
admin(18322):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux)
admin(18322):   SERVER_ADMIN: root at localhost
admin(18322):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/confirm
admin(18322):   SERVER_SIGNATURE: 
Apache/2.0.40 Server at
mailman.vmware.com Port 80<
/address>
admin(18322):
admin(18322):   REQUEST_METHOD: POST
admin(18322):   HTTP_HOST: mailman.vmware.com
admin(18322):   PATH_INFO: /mailman
admin(18322):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(18322):   QUERY_STRING:
admin(18322):   HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL: no-cache
admin(18322):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/confirm/mailman
admin(18322):   HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
image/pjpeg, application/
msword, application/vnd.ms-excel, */*
admin(18322):   PATH_TRANSLATED: /var/www/html/mailman
admin(18322):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows
NT 5.0)
admin(18322):   HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(18322):   HTTP_REFERER:
http://bogus.bogus.com/mailman/confirm/mailman/3198403900b59c
e046d843393dde955d2653b159
admin(18322):   SERVER_NAME: mailman.vmware.com
admin(18322):   REMOTE_ADDR: 172.16.12.163
admin(18322):   REMOTE_PORT: 3895
admin(18322):   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us
admin(18322):   UNIQUE_ID: gbLcbKwQDC8AAAONHhEAAAAG
admin(18322):   SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(18322):   GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(18322):   HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate
admin(18322):   SERVER_ADDR: 172.16.12.47
admin(18322):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/html
(END)


From mitchell at cuip.net  Mon Feb 24 00:48:11 2003
From: mitchell at cuip.net (Mitchell Marks)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 17:48:11 -0600
Subject: Example of bad line break in subject header     was Re:
  [Mailman-Users]  Upgrade from 2.0.x to 2.1.1-- incorrect padding error.
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030223165521.0591d8c0@cuip.uchicago.edu>

I'm enclosing below the full headers from Sumeet P's recent message, as 
they reached me.  This shows the formatting problem discussed last week, 
mentioned on the Mailman-Users list by Sarah from NOW and seconded by me, 
and also turned over a little on the Developers list.

The discussion on Developers included requests for an example that would 
reproduce the problem.  I don't know if this one will show the same 
behavior if re-tried on another installation, but here we can at least see 
it happening someplace we can observe in common.  (In case this gets 
mangled on the way back through, the Subject header as I've received it and 
pasted below is: first line " [Mailman-Users] " then second line a Tab and 
the rest "  Upgrade from 2.0.x to 2.1.1-- incorrect padding error. ")

I've installed the recommended Headers.py patch (and checked that it is 
/this/ headers.py that is being used), and I thought briefly that the 
problem was solved for my installation -- but it isn't. I'll quote a 
subject string that I've seen problems with, but note that whether it's 
reproducible seems to depend on what list it's going through.  Here's the 
example: "[CUIP Activity]  NSPTECH 2097 Alex Wilson  Wednesday 2003-01-15 
OS install/Printer Install".  It breaks after the list tag [CUIP Activity], 
and so do test messages with longish subjects that go through that 
list.  But if I send a message with that same header through a Test list 
(or any of several others), it doesn't break funny.  I'm trying to figure 
out the differences between the lists, but haven't managed to make the 
error happen in the Test list by fiddling with Language Options and 
Personalization.

I'm close to ready to just suppress all wrapping in Subjects if that would 
cure this oddity.  Would that be a disaster waiting to happen?  How hard 
would it be (I don't know much about the Mailman python code)?

Thanks,

   Mitch Marks

P.S.  The point was made in the Developers discussion that Eudora's 
handling of the newlines in the summary windows may not accord to the 
relevant standard.  Would someone who can speak to this fairly 
authoritatively feel like sending a report/suggestion in Qualcomm's 
direction?  This is indeed only bothering Eudora users here.  (Including me...)


The headers for the example passing through Mailman-Users:

 >At 03:23 PM 2/23/03, Sumeet wrote:
 >X-Originating-IP: [65.113.40.130]
 >From: "Sumeet" 
 >To: 
 >Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:23:58 -0800
 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200
 >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2003 21:23:59.0699 (UTC)
 >       FILETIME=[E14D2A30:01C2DB81]
 >X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0
 > 
tests=BODY_PYTHON_ZOPE,FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,FROM_BIGISP,LARGE_HEX,SPAM_PHRAS
 >E_00_01,USER_AGENT_OE
 >X-Spam-Level: *
 >Subject: [Mailman-Users]
 >       Upgrade from 2.0.x to 2.1.1-- incorrect padding error.
 >X-BeenThere: mailman-users at python.org
 >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1
 >List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users 
 >List-Unsubscribe: ,
 >       
 >List-Archive: 
 >List-Post: 
 >List-Help: 
 >List-Subscribe: ,
 >       
 >Sender: mailman-users-bounces+mitchell=cuip.net at python.org


--
Mitchell Marks
CUIP Tech Coordinator    http://cuip.uchicago.edu
CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project
5640 S Ellis Ave  AAC-045, Univ of Chgo, Chgo IL 60637

Telephone:  Ofc 773-702-6041
         Fax 702-8212
         Home (v.m. only, ok any time) 241-7166
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         Alternate UofC addresses (use especially to report problems with 
cuip.uchicago.edu): mitchell at cs.uchicago.edu and mmar at midway.uchicago.edu
         Off-campus (ISP) address: mmarks at pobox.com




From siffert at museworld.com  Mon Feb 24 00:50:19 2003
From: siffert at museworld.com (Curt Siffert)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:50:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newsletter
Message-ID: <908FE3F8-4789-11D7-83E6-000393887F74@museworld.com>


Is there a way to keep the email address of a sender from showing up 
anywhere in the headers of the resulting email?

I've got a newsletter with everyone moderated except for one user, who 
I'd like to be able to post to the list.  But if his email address 
shows up in the email, someone else could forge it and be able to spam 
the list, couldn't they?  Unless there's a way to hide the sender's 
email address.  Is there a better way to handle this without requiring 
someone to approve a message through the web interface?

Thanks,
Curt



From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Mon Feb 24 01:07:21 2003
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:07:21 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 	Upgrade from 2.0.x to 2.1.1-- incorrect padding
	error.
References: 
Message-ID: <3E596239.8040507@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Try this patch.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=103&atid=300103&file_id=43139&aid=670167

Tokio

Sumeet wrote:
> Upgrade from 2.0.x to 2.1.1 has caused the following error during sending
> digests i suppose. There is a bug about base64 already open. Am I running
> into the same thing here?
> As a side note does anyone else think that Mailman has reached a state of
> perfection in terms of usability/features? I can't imagine it being too much
> better.
>  Thanks, sumeet.:
> [root at mailman root]# /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/senddigests
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/var/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/var/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main
>     mlist.send_digest_now()
>   File "/list/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now
>     ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp)
>   File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in send_digests
>     send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>   File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in send_i18n_digests
>     msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
>   File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 252, in process
>     payload = part.get_payload(decode=1)
>   File "/list//pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 189, in get_payload
>     return Utils._bdecode(payload)
>   File "/list//pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 75, in _bdecode
>     value = base64.decodestring(s)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/base64.py", line 44, in decodestring
>     return binascii.a2b_base64(s)
> binascii.Error: Incorrect padding
> 
> Sending relevent logs:
> Feb 23 11:27:47 2003 (24968) SHUNTING:
> 1046028467.287553+80336bf6d6db1c808bd7e3bceaa7256b5c4ff
> 419
> Feb 23 11:36:38 2003 (24968) Uncaught runner exception: Incorrect padding
> Feb 23 11:36:38 2003 (24968) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/list//Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
>     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>   File "/list//Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
>     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/list//Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose
>     more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
>   File "/list//Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline
>     sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/list//Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 82, in process
>     send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>   File "/list//Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in send_digests
>     send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>   File "/list//Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in send_i18n_digests
>     msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
>   File "/list//Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 252, in process
>     payload = part.get_payload(decode=1)
>   File "/list//pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 189, in get_payload
>     return Utils._bdecode(payload)
>   File "/list//pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 75, in _bdecode
>     value = base64.decodestring(s)
>   File "/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/base64.py",
> line 44, in decodestr
> ing
>     return binascii.a2b_base64(s)
> Error: Incorrect padding
> 



From peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu  Mon Feb 24 02:01:49 2003
From: peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu (Peter Bengtson)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 02:01:49 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving doesn't work under Mac OS X 10.1
In-Reply-To: <1045949785.1610.50.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8DB4E258-4793-11D7-BEED-003065752102@musikelit.nu>

Editing the sources in the indicated manner (plus adjusting the level 
of indentation of the remaining part of the function) indeed works. 
Editing i18n.py in the install directory doesn't suffice, however - it 
is necessary to edit the file in the distribution directory and then do 
a 'make install'. Anyway, thanks for the pointer!

However, should Mailman really require that strptime is defined? As it 
is now, archiving doesn't work _at_all_ in Mailman 2.x under Mac OS X 
10.1.

	/ Peter

On l?rdag, feb 22, 2003, at 22:36 Europe/Stockholm, Jon Carnes wrote:

> The function is used only once in Mailman, inside i18n.py
>
>   year, mon, day, hh, mm, ss, wday, ydat, dst = time.strptime(date)
>
> You could easily replace this line of code with a small block that does
> the same thing but without referencing the strptime function.
>
> In fact, looking at the code, it looks like there is already an 
> existing
> block that would do this for you... Try deleting the 4 lines of code
> that I marked with an *
>
>     if isinstance(date, StringType):
>         try:
> *            year, mon, day, hh, mm, ss, wday, ydat, dst =
>                 time.strptime(date)
> *            tzname = time.tzname[dst and 1 or 0]
> *        except ValueError:
> *            try:
>                 wday, mon, day, hms, year = date.split()
>                 hh, mm, ss = hms.split(':')
>                 year = int(year)
>                 day = int(day)
>                 hh = int(hh)
>                 mm = int(mm)
>                 ss = int(ss)
>             except ValueError:
>                 return date
> ===
> If that works then you won't need the time.strptime function at all.
>
> Good Luck - Jon
>
> BTW: good detective work tracing down the lack of strptime function in
> Max OSX v10.1!


From sumeet at vmware.com  Mon Feb 24 02:10:13 2003
From: sumeet at vmware.com (sumeet)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 17:10:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 	Upgrade from 2.0.x to 2.1.1-- incorrect
	paddingerror.
References: 
	<3E596239.8040507@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: 

i clearly don't know what i'm doing. I did a patch -p1 < yourfile on
/tmp/mailman.2.1.1/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py when it asked me for which
file and then recompiled. Can you tell me exactly how to apply this patch?
Thanks alot. I then got:
[root at mailman mailman-2.1.1]# python -S /list/cron/senddigests
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/list/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ?
    main()
  File "/list/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main
    mlist.send_digest_now()
  File "/list/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now
    ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp)
  File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in send_digests
    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in send_i18n_digests
    msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
  File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 320, in process
    if not t.endswith('\n'):
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'endswith'
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tokio Kikuchi" 
To: "Sumeet" 
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade from 2.0.x to 2.1.1-- incorrect
paddingerror.


> Try this patch.
>
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=103&atid=300103&file_id
=43139&aid=670167
>
> Tokio
>
> Sumeet wrote:
> > Upgrade from 2.0.x to 2.1.1 has caused the following error during
sending
> > digests i suppose. There is a bug about base64 already open. Am I
running
> > into the same thing here?
> > As a side note does anyone else think that Mailman has reached a state
of
> > perfection in terms of usability/features? I can't imagine it being too
much
> > better.
> >  Thanks, sumeet.:
> > [root at mailman root]# /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/senddigests
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> >   File "/var/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ?
> >     main()
> >   File "/var/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main
> >     mlist.send_digest_now()
> >   File "/list/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now
> >     ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp)
> >   File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in send_digests
> >     send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
> >   File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in
send_i18n_digests
> >     msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
> >   File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 252, in process
> >     payload = part.get_payload(decode=1)
> >   File "/list//pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 189, in get_payload
> >     return Utils._bdecode(payload)
> >   File "/list//pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 75, in _bdecode
> >     value = base64.decodestring(s)
> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/base64.py", line 44, in decodestring
> >     return binascii.a2b_base64(s)
> > binascii.Error: Incorrect padding
> >
> > Sending relevent logs:
> > Feb 23 11:27:47 2003 (24968) SHUNTING:
> > 1046028467.287553+80336bf6d6db1c808bd7e3bceaa7256b5c4ff
> > 419
> > Feb 23 11:36:38 2003 (24968) Uncaught runner exception: Incorrect
padding
> > Feb 23 11:36:38 2003 (24968) Traceback (most recent call last):
> >   File "/list//Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
> >     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
> >   File "/list//Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
> >     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
> >   File "/list//Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose
> >     more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
> >   File "/list//Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in
_dopipeline
> >     sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
> >   File "/list//Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 82, in process
> >     send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
> >   File "/list//Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in send_digests
> >     send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
> >   File "/list//Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in
send_i18n_digests
> >     msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
> >   File "/list//Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 252, in process
> >     payload = part.get_payload(decode=1)
> >   File "/list//pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 189, in get_payload
> >     return Utils._bdecode(payload)
> >   File "/list//pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 75, in _bdecode
> >     value = base64.decodestring(s)
> >   File "/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/base64.py",
> > line 44, in decodestr
> > ing
> >     return binascii.a2b_base64(s)
> > Error: Incorrect padding
> >
>


From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Mon Feb 24 02:35:40 2003
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:35:40 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 	Upgrade from 2.0.x to 2.1.1-- incorrect
	paddingerror.
References: 
	<3E596239.8040507@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> 
Message-ID: <3E5976EC.4050102@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

I have now uploaded a new patch to fix this error.
Please backout the last patch by mv Scrubber.py.orig Scrubber.py
and apply new patch like this
% patch < Scrubber.py.patch.030224.txt
in /Mailman/Handlers
Then, make install and restart mailman qrunners.

Tokio

sumeet wrote:
> i clearly don't know what i'm doing. I did a patch -p1 < yourfile on
> /tmp/mailman.2.1.1/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py when it asked me for which
> file and then recompiled. Can you tell me exactly how to apply this patch?
> Thanks alot. I then got:
> [root at mailman mailman-2.1.1]# python -S /list/cron/senddigests
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/list/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/list/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main
>     mlist.send_digest_now()
>   File "/list/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now
>     ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp)
>   File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in send_digests
>     send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>   File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in send_i18n_digests
>     msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
>   File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 320, in process
>     if not t.endswith('\n'):
> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'endswith'




From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Mon Feb 24 02:41:14 2003
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:41:14 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 	Upgrade from 2.0.x to 2.1.1-- incorrect
	paddingerror.
References: 
	<3E596239.8040507@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> 
	<3E5976EC.4050102@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <3E59783A.5020400@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Oops, I forgot to add pointers.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=670167&group_id=103&atid=300103
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=103&atid=300103&file_id=43266&aid=670167

Tokio Kikuchi wrote:
> I have now uploaded a new patch to fix this error.
> Please backout the last patch by mv Scrubber.py.orig Scrubber.py
> and apply new patch like this
> % patch < Scrubber.py.patch.030224.txt
> in /Mailman/Handlers
> Then, make install and restart mailman qrunners.
> 
> Tokio
> 
> sumeet wrote:
> 
>> i clearly don't know what i'm doing. I did a patch -p1 < yourfile on
>> /tmp/mailman.2.1.1/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py when it asked me for 
>> which
>> file and then recompiled. Can you tell me exactly how to apply this 
>> patch?
>> Thanks alot. I then got:
>> [root at mailman mailman-2.1.1]# python -S /list/cron/senddigests
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "/list/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ?
>>     main()
>>   File "/list/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main
>>     mlist.send_digest_now()
>>   File "/list/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now
>>     ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp)
>>   File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in send_digests
>>     send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>>   File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in 
>> send_i18n_digests
>>     msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
>>   File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 320, in process
>>     if not t.endswith('\n'):
>> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'endswith'
> 
> 
> 
> 



From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Mon Feb 24 02:48:49 2003
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:48:49 +0900
Subject: Example of bad line break in subject header     was Re:
	[Mailman-Users]
	Upgrade from 2.0.x to 2.1.1-- incorrect padding error.
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030223165521.0591d8c0@cuip.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <3E597A01.9000402@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

I've uploaded a new patch. Please try.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=687338&group_id=25568&atid=384680
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=25568&atid=384680&file_id=43260&aid=687338

I also recommend to use my version of CookHeaders.py. Looks like
it's complicated by more stable than CVS.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=601117&group_id=103&atid=300103
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=103&atid=300103&file_id=42418&aid=601117

Tokio

Mitchell Marks wrote:
> I'm enclosing below the full headers from Sumeet P's recent message, as 
> they reached me.  This shows the formatting problem discussed last week, 
> mentioned on the Mailman-Users list by Sarah from NOW and seconded by 
> me, and also turned over a little on the Developers list.
> 
snip



From sumeetp at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 24 03:51:37 2003
From: sumeetp at hotmail.com (Sumeet Pannu)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:51:37 -0800
Subject: Example of bad line break in subject header     was
	Re:[Mailman-Users]Upgrade from 2.0.x to 2.1.1-- incorrect padding error.
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030223165521.0591d8c0@cuip.uchicago.edu>
	<3E597A01.9000402@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: 

Wow! Thanks for the really quick turnaround. I appreciate all the help. Also
can someone point out the edicate here. I notice many people top posting so
i do too. Is that OK? And should I direct my emails to the sender and list?
Thanks again. Unfortunately I only got 6
lines down:
18:37:50[mailman at mailman]205[~]$ python -S ~mailman/cron/senddigests
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main
    mlist.send_digest_now()
  File "/list/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now
    ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp)
  File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in send_digests
    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in send_i18n_digests
    msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
  File "/list/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 326, in process
    msg.set_payload(sep.join(text), charset)
TypeError: sequence item 2: expected string, NoneType found

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tokio Kikuchi" 
To: "Mitchell Marks" 
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Example of bad line break in subject header was
Re:[Mailman-Users]Upgrade from 2.0.x to 2.1.1-- incorrect padding error.


> Hi,
>
> I've uploaded a new patch. Please try.
>
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=687338&group_id=25568&atid=3
84680
>
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=25568&atid=384680&file_
id=43260&aid=687338
>
> I also recommend to use my version of CookHeaders.py. Looks like
> it's complicated by more stable than CVS.
>
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=601117&group_id=103&atid=300
103
>
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=103&atid=300103&file_id
=42418&aid=601117
>
> Tokio
>
> Mitchell Marks wrote:
> > I'm enclosing below the full headers from Sumeet P's recent message, as
> > they reached me.  This shows the formatting problem discussed last week,
> > mentioned on the Mailman-Users list by Sarah from NOW and seconded by
> > me, and also turned over a little on the Developers list.
> >
> snip
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> This message was sent to: sumeetp at hotmail.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/sumeetp%40hotmail.com
>


From paul at fpen.org  Mon Feb 24 04:02:19 2003
From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 21:02:19 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with user_optionsurl
Message-ID: 

Forgive me if I am missing the obvious.  I asked this last week and 
did not see any replies but since I still have not figured it out, I 
thought I should ask again.

I want to personalize the footers in the messages of my lists as 
described in a post by Jon Carnes on 2/1 and repeated on 2/20 but I 
find that the variable user_optionsurl uses the hostname from 
/etc/hosts and not the one that is configured using DEFAULT_URL_HOST 
or DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST within mm_cfg.py.  Is there a way to change 
that so that it reflects the preferred hostname?  If there is not I 
will change the name in /etc/hosts but I am trying to avoid that.

Paul
-- 
Paul Kleeberg
paul at fpen.org


From kremels at kreme.com  Mon Feb 24 04:55:37 2003
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:55:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating a Broadcast list
Message-ID: 

I need to create a list ion which no-one can post but the list admin.  
So I created the list, set it to all users are moderated, moderated 
posts are rejected, etc.

But what is preventing someone from spoofing the list admin's return 
address and posting to the list?

-- 
...when you're no longer searching for beauty or love, just some kind 
of life with the edges taken off.  When you can't even define what it 
is that you're frightened of; this song will be here.



From sumeetp at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 24 08:49:39 2003
From: sumeetp at hotmail.com (Sumeet Pannu)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 23:49:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] further 2.0.x to 2.1.1 issues
Message-ID: 

looking at this change it kinda breaks the subject line into parts.
smart wrapping or something which breaks people's procmail rules.
Note the self imposed indentation.
do you think it's possible to have the same behaviour as in mailman 2.0?
In 2.0 Subject lines are displayed as they show up. Alternatively does anyone
have info on migrating from 2.1 to 2.0? 
thanks
sumeet.
example:
> Subject: [build-notify]
>          This an example of broken subject headers.....
>          It will break my procmail.

From lists at vo.cnchost.com  Sun Feb 23 18:59:35 2003
From: lists at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:59:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List email pre-approval
In-Reply-To: <1046009217.2215.1.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
References: 
	<1046009217.2215.1.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3E590C07.7080606@vo.cnchost.com>

> On Sat, 2003-02-22 at 21:40, Steve Sterling wrote:
> 
>> With Majordomo, you could pre-approve a message to the list, say
>> from an otherwise unsubscribed user or to a moderated list.
>> 
>> I tried with my mailman, but it treats the Approved: 
>> first line as normal message body. Somewhere, I remember seeing
>> that Mailman supports such things, but can't find any documentation
>> on syntax, etc.

Jon Carnes wrote:
> Could this be the problem: When searching for an Approve/Approved
> header, the first non-whitespace line of the body of the message is
> also checked, if the body has a MIME type of text/plain.
> 
> Can your mailclient add the Approve line as a header?

I suspect the problem is due to sending the message with formatted text
(not MIME type text/plain) and *also* using the Approved line as the 
first line in the body of the message.  If you need for non-subscribers 
to be able to send formatted posts from a client that won't allow adding 
an Approved header, you can just specify approved posters.  The option
is found under Privacy Options, Sender Filters, at:

	~mailman/admin/listname/privacy/sender

Then any message from one of the approved email addresses will be sent
on without requiring further approval.

***Warning***

If an email virus which uses email addresses found on a victim's
computer manages to grab one of these approved addresses and use it as
the "From" and also coincidentally grabs your mailing list submission
address and uses it as the "To", your list will accept the virus laden
email and distribute the virus to your whole list.  This coincidence is
not unlikely, since both addresses will be found together in the inbox
or address book of your subscribers.  One infected subscriber can then
infect your whole list.

(I have a friend who has a large newsletter list and who has been
repeatedly falsely accused of spreading viruses when a virus forged her 
list address as the "From" and then sent the virus *directly* to a list
subscriber (her subscribers also often know each other directly, thus
one subscriber who has the list address in her address book will also
have another subscriber's address in her address book too).  She is
sticking with the Approved header to ensure that it will be more
difficult for a virus to manage to forge her approved address and send
to her list submission address.)

If this list is a distribution list (not a discussion list), you may 
want to hide the sender address, so that the automatically approved 
submission addresses are not disclosed to the list recepients.  This is 
the last item under General List Personality at:

	~/mailman/admin/listname/general

jc





From jeff at dgjc.org  Mon Feb 24 02:28:15 2003
From: jeff at dgjc.org (Jeff Martin)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 17:28:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can mailman archvies be viewed as HTML?
Message-ID: 

I have just installed mailman 2.0.13. Can the mail archives be viewed as
HTML pages? That is if someone sends an email through the mailman server
with HTML formatting, can the email be viewed from the archives with this
formatting?  The default for my installation seems to be to view the email
as straight text.  Thus I can see the HTML tags rather than the resultant
formatting.

Thanks for any help,

Jeff
Jeff Martin
704 Torrey Lane, Apartment D
Boalsburg, PA 16827
H814-466-7791
jeff at dgjc.org
www.dgjc.org




From sspencer at netconcepts.com  Sun Feb 23 23:57:02 2003
From: sspencer at netconcepts.com (Stephan Spencer)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:57:02 +1300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MemoryError in htmlformat.py
References: 
	<1045886021.1614.25.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3E5951BE.6080307@netconcepts.com>


Jon Carnes wrote:

>Hmmm.... Now that is a good question!
>
>I assume you tried copying the heldmsg files back into the data
>directory and then running the web-admindb (and that didn't work?)
>  
>
Yes I did try that, and no it didn't work.

>If so then try sending a message to the list that would be held for
>moderation and then replace the heldmsg-...pck file that is created with
>one of the ones you copied off (just renaming it). Then approve the
>moderated message and see if that does the job proper.
>  
>
That doesn't work either. My messages still appear in the admindb 
webpage and get approved rather than the ones in the data directory that 
I replaced.

>If that doesn't work, you can use the strings command to find who sent
>the message and drop them a note asking them to resend the message.
>  
>
Had to resort to this one, unfortunately.

Cheers,
Stephan

>Good Luck (and let us know what happens!)
>
>On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 18:53, Stephan Spencer wrote:
>  
>
>>Thanks for that, Jon.
>>
>>I am indeed running 2.1.
>>
>>I tried deleting held messages but that didn't work. I'm still getting 
>>a low-level error:
>>
>>Feb 21 17:38:44 2003 admin(32190): 
>>@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>admin(32190): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1 -----]
>>admin(32190): [----- Traceback ------]
>>admin(32190): Traceback (most recent call last):
>>admin(32190):   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in 
>>run_main
>>
>>I deleted request.db and it works fine now. I've made backups of the 15 
>>or so legitimate held messages (heldmsg-bnb-list-xxx.pck).
>>
>>How do I get those back into request.db?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Stephan
>>
>>
>>On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 04:54 AM, Jon Carnes wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>What version of Mailman are you using?  (it looks like one of the 2.1.x
>>>versions).
>>>
>>>Hope you have already fixed this by now, but just in case, here is
>>>something you can try.  Look in the data directory for Mailman - this 
>>>is
>>>where the held messages are stored.  You can actually scan the heldmsg
>>>files manually and delete ones that might be overly large.
>>>
>>>cd /usr/local/mailman/data
>>>ls -l
>>>
>>>The default message format in version 2.1 is pickle (instead of text),
>>>but you can still easily look at each held message by using the strings
>>>command ("strings" is a utility that used to be loaded by default, if
>>>you don't have it loaded it's very easy to find).
>>>
>>>strings heldmsg-b2b-list-1.pck
>>>
>>>Deleting the heldmsg's here does not delete them from your lists
>>>"request.db" file, but when you run admindb for the list, that will
>>>compare the heldmsg files to the ones in request.db and then update
>>>request.db (the handling of the request.db file is a lot smarter in
>>>version 2.1 of Mailman).
>>>
>>>In other words,once you launch the Web-admindb everything should sync 
>>>up
>>>and you will just see the messages you left that need approving.  It
>>>*should* work at this point. >>you deleted the bad email>
>>>
>>>If not, I recommend removing that lists request.db file:
>>>/usr/local/mailman/lists/b2b-list/request.db
>>>
>>>Just rename the file to something else and then try launching the
>>>web-admindb again.
>>>
>>>Good Luck - Jon Carnes
>>>      
>>>




From jdahlke at ieee.umn.edu  Sun Feb 23 10:26:06 2003
From: jdahlke at ieee.umn.edu (Jordan Dahlke)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 03:26:06 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron script every minute
Message-ID: <000501c2db1d$97c6adf0$0400000a@assimilaberis>

I hope I'm not troubling anyone, and that this isn't answered anywhere.  And I
apologize if you don't feel this to be a mailman issue.  Since mailman has a
cron script run every minute, and cron, on Debian anyways, uses pam, and pam
uses the pam_unix module, every minute mailman gets a log in the
/var/log/auth.log among others.  Is there a workaround for this that I should be
aware of?  It just seems silly to fill the logs with this information every
minute.

Thanks,
Jordan Dahlke



From tester5-dated-1046504557.421cfc at macvoodoo.ath.cx  Mon Feb 24 08:42:32 2003
From: tester5-dated-1046504557.421cfc at macvoodoo.ath.cx (C. Posey)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 02:42:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman - Webglimpse
Message-ID: <88A832EC-47CB-11D7-ACB6-00306546FF30@macvoodoo.ath.cx>

I am working on adding a search function to my mailing list. I have 
patched all the files and have htdig up and running but I really prefer 
WebGlimpse. Has anyone had any success integrating WebGlimpse into 
searching mailman archives? If so how or where can I find more info.

- thx


From sumeetp at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 24 09:52:34 2003
From: sumeetp at hotmail.com (Sumeet Pannu)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 00:52:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Example of bad line break in subject header
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030223165521.0591d8c0@cuip.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: 

This is clearly what I meant to say in my last post. Doug Brandon also has
this issue and no one was able to address it for him. I have the same issue
as Mr. Marks. Would someone please point me to the correct Headers.py patch
referred to below, perhaps my mileage will be better than Mr. Marks'.
Alternatively a migration back to 2.0.13 would be acceptable if anyone has
done this. Thanks, sumeet.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mitchell Marks" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 3:48 PM
Subject: Example of bad line break in subject header was Re: [Mailman-Users]
Upgrade from 2.0.x to 2.1.1-- incorrect padding error.


> I'm enclosing below the full headers from Sumeet P's recent message, as
> they reached me.  This shows the formatting problem discussed last week,
> mentioned on the Mailman-Users list by Sarah from NOW and seconded by me,
> and also turned over a little on the Developers list.
>
> The discussion on Developers included requests for an example that would
> reproduce the problem.  I don't know if this one will show the same
> behavior if re-tried on another installation, but here we can at least see
> it happening someplace we can observe in common.  (In case this gets
> mangled on the way back through, the Subject header as I've received it
and
> pasted below is: first line " [Mailman-Users] " then second line a Tab and
> the rest "  Upgrade from 2.0.x to 2.1.1-- incorrect padding error. ")
>
> I've installed the recommended Headers.py patch (and checked that it is
> /this/ headers.py that is being used), and I thought briefly that the
> problem was solved for my installation -- but it isn't. I'll quote a
> subject string that I've seen problems with, but note that whether it's
> reproducible seems to depend on what list it's going through.  Here's the
> example: "[CUIP Activity]  NSPTECH 2097 Alex Wilson  Wednesday 2003-01-15
> OS install/Printer Install".  It breaks after the list tag [CUIP
Activity],
> and so do test messages with longish subjects that go through that
> list.  But if I send a message with that same header through a Test list
> (or any of several others), it doesn't break funny.  I'm trying to figure
> out the differences between the lists, but haven't managed to make the
> error happen in the Test list by fiddling with Language Options and
> Personalization.
>
> I'm close to ready to just suppress all wrapping in Subjects if that would
> cure this oddity.  Would that be a disaster waiting to happen?  How hard
> would it be (I don't know much about the Mailman python code)?
>
> Thanks,
>
>    Mitch Marks
>
> P.S.  The point was made in the Developers discussion that Eudora's
> handling of the newlines in the summary windows may not accord to the
> relevant standard.  Would someone who can speak to this fairly
> authoritatively feel like sending a report/suggestion in Qualcomm's
> direction?  This is indeed only bothering Eudora users here.  (Including
me...)
>
>
> The headers for the example passing through Mailman-Users:
>
>  >At 03:23 PM 2/23/03, Sumeet wrote:
>  >X-Originating-IP: [65.113.40.130]
>  >From: "Sumeet" 
>  >To: 
>  >Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:23:58 -0800
>  >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200
>  >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2003 21:23:59.0699 (UTC)
>  >       FILETIME=[E14D2A30:01C2DB81]
>  >X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0
>  >
>
tests=BODY_PYTHON_ZOPE,FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,FROM_BIGISP,LARGE_HEX,SPAM_PHRAS
>  >E_00_01,USER_AGENT_OE
>  >X-Spam-Level: *
>  >Subject: [Mailman-Users]
>  >       Upgrade from 2.0.x to 2.1.1-- incorrect padding error.
>  >X-BeenThere: mailman-users at python.org
>  >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1
>  >List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users

>  >List-Unsubscribe:
,
>  >       
>  >List-Archive: 
>  >List-Post: 
>  >List-Help: 
>  >List-Subscribe: ,
>  >       
>  >Sender: mailman-users-bounces+mitchell=cuip.net at python.org
>
>
> --
> Mitchell Marks
> CUIP Tech Coordinator    http://cuip.uchicago.edu
> CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project
> 5640 S Ellis Ave  AAC-045, Univ of Chgo, Chgo IL 60637
>
> Telephone:  Ofc 773-702-6041
>          Fax 702-8212
>          Home (v.m. only, ok any time) 241-7166
> Email: Primary address: mitch at cuip.uchicago.edu
>          Alternate UofC addresses (use especially to report problems with
> cuip.uchicago.edu): mitchell at cs.uchicago.edu and mmar at midway.uchicago.edu
>          Off-campus (ISP) address: mmarks at pobox.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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>
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From jim-ml2 at halemail.dyndns.org  Mon Feb 24 13:37:28 2003
From: jim-ml2 at halemail.dyndns.org (Jim Hale)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 06:37:28 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stat Package?
Message-ID: <000001c2dc01$7e9d47f0$fa010a0a@HALE.local>

Is there any sort of package that will create a web page of Mailman
stats which contains things like the name of lists, number of members,
number of messages sent by day, number of messages in the archives, etc?

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From jbutler at ua.edu  Mon Feb 24 15:35:07 2003
From: jbutler at ua.edu (Jeremy Butler)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:35:07 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Postfix *2*?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030224082758.00bc1418@bama.ua.edu>

As a sendmail newbie, I was having too much trouble implementing Mailman's 
aliasing system and so--at Keith Mastin's suggestion--I shifted over to 
Postfix.  I'm happy to say that that works like a charm!  Thanks very much.

But it does bring up a new question:

Does Mailman work well with the recently released (20030112), version *2* 
of Postfix?

The version I used this week is version 1, which came pre-installed on my 
RedHat 8 system.  (Indeed, one can switch in RH8 from sendmail to Postfix 
via a GUI!)  But I'm wondering if I should upgrade to Postfix 2 before I 
get much further into the configuration of Mailman and version 1 of Postfix.

Thanks for the advice.


Jeremy Butler
jbutler at ua.edu
========================================================
TELEVISION: CRITICAL METHODS AND APPLICATIONS
www.TVCrit.com



From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com  Mon Feb 24 15:50:22 2003
From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:50:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Postfix *2*?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030224082758.00bc1418@bama.ua.edu>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030224094806.0374cc60@192.168.0.3>

At 09:35 AM 2/24/2003, Jeremy Butler wrote:
>As a sendmail newbie, I was having too much trouble implementing Mailman's 
>aliasing system and so--at Keith Mastin's suggestion--I shifted over to 
>Postfix.  I'm happy to say that that works like a charm!  Thanks very much.
>
>But it does bring up a new question:
>
>Does Mailman work well with the recently released (20030112), version *2* 
>of Postfix?

I'm running Postfix 2.0.4 on all my systems, with Mailman 2.1.1, and it is 
a perfect match.  There are a lot of enhancements in Postfix 2, that makes 
it worth the upgrade.

Larry


>The version I used this week is version 1, which came pre-installed on my 
>RedHat 8 system.  (Indeed, one can switch in RH8 from sendmail to Postfix 
>via a GUI!)  But I'm wondering if I should upgrade to Postfix 2 before I 
>get much further into the configuration of Mailman and version 1 of Postfix.
>
>Thanks for the advice.
>
>
>Jeremy Butler
>jbutler at ua.edu
>========================================================
>TELEVISION: CRITICAL METHODS AND APPLICATIONS
>www.TVCrit.com



From mitchell at cuip.net  Mon Feb 24 15:52:37 2003
From: mitchell at cuip.net (Mitchell Marks)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:52:37 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  Re: Example of bad line break in subject
  header    
In-Reply-To: <3E597A01.9000402@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030223165521.0591d8c0@cuip.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030224082313.051ed0d0@cuip.uchicago.edu>

Thank you for these patches.  They didn't yet solve the problem.  However, 
I think I can clarify the circumstances under which it occurs.  It seems to 
be not the list settings (for Language or Personalization) which matter, 
but the message's original type.  Specifically, I'm seeing the problem when 
the message is text/html when it arrives.  (MM is sending it back out as 
multipart/mixed).  These messages do not generally have any hi-bit or 
encoded characters in their Subjects.

  Thanks,

   -- Mitch


At 07:48 PM 2/23/03, Tokio Kikuchi wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I've uploaded a new patch. Please try.
>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=687338&group_id=25568&atid=384680
>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=25568&atid=384680&file_id=43260&aid=687338
>
>I also recommend to use my version of CookHeaders.py. Looks like
>it's complicated by more stable than CVS.
>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=601117&group_id=103&atid=300103
>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=103&atid=300103&file_id=42418&aid=601117
>
>Tokio
>
>Mitchell Marks wrote:
>>I'm enclosing below the full headers from Sumeet P's recent message, as 
>>they reached me.  This shows the formatting problem discussed last week, 
>>mentioned on the Mailman-Users list by Sarah from NOW and seconded by me, 
>>and also turned over a little on the Developers list.
>snip

--
Mitchell Marks
CUIP Tech Coordinator    http://cuip.uchicago.edu
CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project
5640 S Ellis Ave  AAC-045, Univ of Chgo, Chgo IL 60637

Telephone:  Ofc 773-702-6041
         Fax 702-8212
         Home (v.m. only, ok any time) 241-7166
Email: Primary address: mitch at cuip.uchicago.edu
         Alternate UofC addresses (use especially to report problems with 
cuip.uchicago.edu): mitchell at cs.uchicago.edu and mmar at midway.uchicago.edu
         Off-campus (ISP) address: mmarks at pobox.com




From kmastin at beechtree.ca  Mon Feb 24 16:20:47 2003
From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:20:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Postfix *2*?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030224082758.00bc1418@bama.ua.edu>
Message-ID: 

Hi jeremy,

>As a sendmail newbie, I was having too much trouble implementing Mailman's 
>aliasing system and so--at Keith Mastin's suggestion--I shifted over to 
>Postfix.  I'm happy to say that that works like a charm!  Thanks very much.
>
>But it does bring up a new question:
>
>Does Mailman work well with the recently released (20030112), version *2* 
>of Postfix?
>
>The version I used this week is version 1, which came pre-installed on my 
>RedHat 8 system.  (Indeed, one can switch in RH8 from sendmail to Postfix 
>via a GUI!)  But I'm wondering if I should upgrade to Postfix 2 before I 
>get much further into the configuration of Mailman and version 1 of Postfix.
>
>Thanks for the advice.

The answer here is really simple... just stick with the redhat releases as 
they come up. The version you are running will be fine, is secure and is 
operationable. When a new release comes out that has significant changes, 
redhat will make a compatible binary and release it.

If you install from sources, there will be problems if you later plan on 
switching back to rpms. The best workaround is to roll your own rpms.



From sebold at lcms.org  Mon Feb 24 17:24:06 2003
From: sebold at lcms.org (Charles Sebold)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:24:06 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to 2.1
In-Reply-To: <200302210918.37964.debian@firman.us>
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030220142228.04246008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>
 <200302210918.37964.debian@firman.us>
Message-ID: 

On 19 Adar I 5763, Andy Firman wrote:

> Any Debian users on this list?
> How would I upgrade from 2.0.11?
> 
> When I installed the system I just did an apt-get install mailman.
> 
> Do I need to do a source install to upgrade?
> Not sure if I can do that.

At this time it looks like the latest version in "sarge" (the testing
distribution) is 2.0.13.  "Sid" or unstable appears to have a version
of 2.1:

http://packages.debian.org/unstable/mail/mailman.html

However note that packages don't move from unstable to testing until
they have gone for a couple of weeks without a major bug report.

If you have to upgrade now, you might want to get the source (the
canonical source for 2.1.1, not the Debian package source), configure in
a way that matches the Debian configuration (like changing the Makefile
to MAILMAN_UID=list rather than something else,
MAILMAN_HOME=/var/lib/mailman, and so on), and try installing from
source on a test system.  But from then on you would probably have to
maintain the source yourself, or go through some sort of reintegration
process to sync back up to whatever changes Debian introduces into its
2.1+ packages.

At the moment I am waiting for the Debian package to at least come down
to "testing."  If I had to upgrade now, I would probably follow the
directions to have two Mailman installs on the same system, install
from source, move the lists over manually, and then stick to source
installs from then on, and not use Debian.  But I'm lazy and not yet
desperate for the 2.1+ features, so I'm waiting for Debian.
-- 
Charles Sebold                                      22nd of Adar I, 5763
      Systems Specialist, LCMS - Office of Information Systems
        *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily ***
        *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod ***



From jredmond at operamail.com  Mon Feb 24 17:28:19 2003
From: jredmond at operamail.com (John Redmond )
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:28:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman and Postfix *2*?
Message-ID: <20030224162820.13152.qmail@operamail.com>

    

----- Original Message -----
From: mailman-users-request at python.org
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:38:50 -0500 
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 5, Issue 78

From: Jeremy Butler 
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:35:07 -0600

 Wrote as follows... 

> As a sendmail newbie, I was having too much trouble implementing Mailman's 
> aliasing system and so--at Keith Mastin's suggestion--I shifted over to 
> Postfix.  I'm happy to say that that works like a charm!  Thanks very much.
> 
> But it does bring up a new question:
> 
> Does Mailman work well with the recently released (20030112), version *2* 
> of Postfix?
> 
> The version I used this week is version 1, which came pre-installed on my 
> RedHat 8 system.  (Indeed, one can switch in RH8 from sendmail to Postfix 
> via a GUI!)  But I'm wondering if I should upgrade to Postfix 2 before I 
> get much further into the configuration of Mailman and version 1 of Postfix.
> 
> Thanks for the advice.
> 
> 

I installed 2.1 with Postfix 2.0.3 and all appears well. Mind you this is based on simple testing with low traffic, as I'm just getting ready to  test with for actual users!  

John 



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From debian at firman.us  Mon Feb 24 18:14:20 2003
From: debian at firman.us (Andy Firman)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:14:20 -0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newsletter
In-Reply-To: <908FE3F8-4789-11D7-83E6-000393887F74@museworld.com>
References: <908FE3F8-4789-11D7-83E6-000393887F74@museworld.com>
Message-ID: <200302240814.20425.debian@firman.us>

On Sunday 23 February 2003 14:50, Curt Siffert wrote:
> Is there a way to keep the email address of a sender from showing up
> anywhere in the headers of the resulting email?
>
> I've got a newsletter with everyone moderated except for one user, who
> I'd like to be able to post to the list.  But if his email address
> shows up in the email, someone else could forge it and be able to spam
> the list, couldn't they?  Unless there's a way to hide the sender's
> email address.  Is there a better way to handle this without requiring
> someone to approve a message through the web interface?

Yes this is very simple and just by running a test list you will see how
easy it is.  Also, we just talked about this recently so look at the archives
and you will find lots of information there.

Andy


From khera at kcilink.com  Mon Feb 24 18:19:46 2003
From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:19:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Postfix *2*?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030224082758.00bc1418@bama.ua.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030224082758.00bc1418@bama.ua.edu>
Message-ID: <15962.21554.235362.785836@onceler.int.kciLink.com>

>>>>> "JB" == Jeremy Butler  writes:

JB> Does Mailman work well with the recently released (20030112), version *2* 
JB> of Postfix?

Yes.  However...

Postfix' "sendmail-style" virtual domains are no longer officially
documented or supported.

Virtual domains are now specified using two postfix config variables:
virtual_alias_domains and virtual_alias_maps.  In
virtual_alias_domains you wan to list the same domains you list in
Mailman's POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS variable.  virtual_alias_maps
is the replacement for virtual_maps as Mailman uses it.  Since Mailman
doesn't set the postfix 'magic' entry to identify a domain to
virtualize in the maps it generates, it is necessary to list them in
the virtual_alias_domains variable.

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From gmartin at ets.org  Mon Feb 24 19:25:58 2003
From: gmartin at ets.org (Martin, Greg (CSC))
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:25:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting a list via the web interface
Message-ID: <018664072781D51180290002A513B3A466B66B@rosnt77.ets.org>

I'm having a bear of a time figuring out how to remove a list via the web
interface (no luck searching the archives) .  I ran /mailman/rmlist/listname
and I get a msg saying "You're being a sneaky list owner"

I figure I can do it via the rmlist script, but was hoping there was a web
way.

\\Greg <\\Greg>  Martin




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From paul at thcwd.com  Mon Feb 24 19:41:27 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:41:27 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on an Ensim Webppliance?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030224123516.02c75ff8@216.127.68.195>


      Has anyone installed Mailman 2.1 on a server running Ensim 
Webppliance?  I've search the web high a low, and the best I can come up 
with is "it can be done, but it's difficult."  I'm going to take a shot at 
it soon, but since knowledge is power I want to arm myself as well as 
possible before I get going.

TIA,
<>< Paul

From admin at cs.montana.edu  Mon Feb 24 20:09:03 2003
From: admin at cs.montana.edu (Lucas Albers)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:09:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors in nightly gzip
Message-ID: 

I am getting errors in my nightly gzip job.
Any ideas what is causing it?
Check-perms does not find any errors.

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From: root at web1.cs.montana.edu (Cron Daemon)
To: mailman at web1.cs.montana.edu
Subject: Cron  /usr/bin/python2 -S
/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 


Message Excerpt:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 154, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 140, in main
    compress(f)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 81, in compress
    outfp = gzip.open(txtfile+'.gz', 'wb', 6)
  File "//usr/lib/python2.2/gzip.py", line 30, in open
    return GzipFile(filename, mode, compresslevel)
  File "//usr/lib/python2.2/gzip.py", line 43, in __init__
    fileobj = self.myfileobj = __builtin__.open(filename, mode or 'rb')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/cs223/2003-February.txt.gz'

Permissions on my those files are:
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Feb 18 14:42 2003-February
-rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman      1484 Feb 18 14:42 2003-February.txt
drwxrws---    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Feb 18 14:42 database
-rw-rw-rw-    1 apache   mailman      1156 Feb 18 14:42 index.html
-rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman       844 Feb 18 14:42 pipermail.pck


> --Luke
> --Computer Science Sysadmin, MSU Bozeman 
> --admin(AT)cs.montana.edu 994-3931 




From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Mon Feb 24 20:28:13 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:28:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors in nightly gzip
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20030224192813.GD1551@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Lucas Albers wrote:
> I am getting errors in my nightly gzip job.
> Any ideas what is causing it?
> Check-perms does not find any errors.
[...]
> Message Excerpt:
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 154, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 140, in main
>     compress(f)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 81, in compress
>     outfp = gzip.open(txtfile+'.gz', 'wb', 6)
>   File "//usr/lib/python2.2/gzip.py", line 30, in open
>     return GzipFile(filename, mode, compresslevel)
>   File "//usr/lib/python2.2/gzip.py", line 43, in __init__
>     fileobj = self.myfileobj = __builtin__.open(filename, mode or 'rb')
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> '/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/cs223/2003-February.txt.gz'
>
> Permissions on my those files are:
> drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Feb 18 14:42 2003-February
> -rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman      1484 Feb 18 14:42 2003-February.txt
> drwxrws---    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Feb 18 14:42 database
> -rw-rw-rw-    1 apache   mailman      1156 Feb 18 14:42 index.html
> -rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman       844 Feb 18 14:42 pipermail.pck

Just out of curiosity, what are the perms on the directory where mailman is
trying to create the file (/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/cs223)?

If that looks good, what are the perms of the directories back up the tree?

- -- 
Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
============================================================================
Wisdom has two parts: (1) having a lot to say and (2) not saying it.

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From ahkitj at jnawk.net.nz  Mon Feb 24 21:37:32 2003
From: ahkitj at jnawk.net.nz (Jonathan Ah Kit)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:37:32 +1300 (NZDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] auto-discard/purge to an announce list?
Message-ID: 

Hi,

Well, with the glorious (hehe) event of my mailing list server going back
up, I've a question.

I am back running the sarge/testing Debian package (2.0.13, IIRC) of
Mailman, and I'm wondering if there's a way to either auto discard all
admindb requests? The rationale is that I run mostly announce lists at the
moment, and with just confirm subscribes, I shouldn't need to approve
anything at all, including the posts from only explicit address (which has
been set).

Any ideas, people? This is kinda semi-production, so I can't have much
playing about. :(

On another related matter: I had to quickly downgrade this week by doing a
quick archive backup and dpkg --purge. Next time I try the sid Debian
package, anyone have some general tips on the upgrade? (Other than keeping
a 2.0.13 config and db backup...)

Thanks!

Jonathan

-- 
Jonathan Ah Kit - Lower Hutt - New Zealand
jonathan at ah-kit.dropbear.id.au - http://www.ah-kit.dropbear.id.au/
ahkitj at paradise.net.nz - ICQ#9747234 - http://www.electric.gen.nz/
Away message: Looking for adhesive tape, not Alibrandi.



From dave at umiacs.umd.edu  Mon Feb 24 21:48:57 2003
From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:48:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] authentication problem on upgrade
Message-ID: 

I'm going from 2.0.13 to 2.1.1. The machine I want to first test it on
has no compiler so I copy the real mailman structures onto another machine,
(let's call it "test.domain") have account, group, perms etc set up,

configure --prefix=/etc/mailman --build=test.domain \
  --host=test.domain

make install
copy resulting structure (/etc/mailman) onto new machine

edit /etc/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and Defaults.py on test.domain to have
 the correct hostname and path

restart web server

I can get to the main page but it fails to authenticate me.
I even rerun mmsitepass on test.domain.   I presume it takes this
as I can create a new list.


Here's the error I get on the webpage when I try to authenticate and get into
the newly created list (or existing lists)
===========================================================================
Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of
what happened. Thanks!

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/etc/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/etc/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 82, in main
    cgidata.getvalue('adminpw', '')):
  File "/etc/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 219, in WebAuthenticate
    print self.MakeCookie(ac, user)
  File "/etc/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 234, in MakeCookie
    c = Cookie.SimpleCookie()
AttributeError: 'Mailman.Cookie' module has no attribute 'SimpleCookie'

Any ideas?

Thanks




 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 David Stern                                            University of Maryland
                Institute for Advanced Computer Studies



From skrishnan at panoramicfeedback.com  Mon Feb 24 22:35:35 2003
From: skrishnan at panoramicfeedback.com (S. Krishnan)
Date: 24 Feb 2003 16:35:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
	Mailman 2.1.1 list subscription mechanism seems to be broken:
	please help
Message-ID: <1046122535.29770.9.camel@frodo>



Hi,

I just upgraded my working mailman 2.0.13 install to 2.1.1 by
downloading and installing from source. The previous version worked
fine.  However, 2.1.1 has a major issue with subscription messages. 
Every time someone subscribes to a list, mailman sends them a mailing
list subscription confirmation notice.  With mailman 2.1.1, replying to
this notice does not seem to work.  Instead of confirming the
subscription, it sends *another* mailing list subscription confirmation
notice, with a different number.  Replying to this results in yet
another subscription confirmation notice! 

However, subscription confirmation off the web page works OK.  It is
only the confirmation by reply to the notice that is broken.

Could someone please help?

TIA,

Krishnan







From admin at cs.montana.edu  Mon Feb 24 22:28:35 2003
From: admin at cs.montana.edu (Lucas Albers)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:28:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors in nightly gzip
In-Reply-To: <20030224192813.GD1551@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: 



> --Luke
> --Computer Science Sysadmin, MSU Bozeman 
> --admin(AT)cs.montana.edu 994-3931 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-bounces+admin=cs.montana.edu at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+admin=cs.montana.edu at python.org] On Behalf
> Of Todd
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 12:28 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Errors in nightly gzip
> 
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Lucas Albers wrote:
> > I am getting errors in my nightly gzip job.
> > Any ideas what is causing it?
> > Check-perms does not find any errors.
> [...]
> > Message Excerpt:
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 154, in ?
> >     main()
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 140, in main
> >     compress(f)
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 81, in compress
> >     outfp = gzip.open(txtfile+'.gz', 'wb', 6)
> >   File "//usr/lib/python2.2/gzip.py", line 30, in open
> >     return GzipFile(filename, mode, compresslevel)
> >   File "//usr/lib/python2.2/gzip.py", line 43, in __init__
> >     fileobj = self.myfileobj = __builtin__.open(filename, mode or 'rb')
> > IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> > '/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/cs223/2003-February.txt.gz'
> >
> > Permissions on my those files are:
> > drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Feb 18 14:42 2003-February
> > -rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman      1484 Feb 18 14:42 2003-
> February.txt
> > drwxrws---    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Feb 18 14:42 database
> > -rw-rw-rw-    1 apache   mailman      1156 Feb 18 14:42 index.html
> > -rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman       844 Feb 18 14:42 pipermail.pck
> 
> Just out of curiosity, what are the perms on the directory where mailman
> is
> trying to create the file (/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/cs223)?
> 
ls -l /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/cs223
total 20
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Feb 18 14:42 2003-February
-rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman      1484 Feb 18 14:42 2003-February.txt
drwxrws---    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Feb 18 14:42 database
-rw-rw-rw-    1 apache   mailman      1156 Feb 18 14:42 index.html
-rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman       844 Feb 18 14:42 pipermail.pck


> If that looks good, what are the perms of the directories back up the
> tree?
ls -ld /usr/local/mailman/lists/
drwxrwsr-x    6 mailman  mailman      4096 Feb 19 16:14 


> - --
> Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL:
> www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
> ==========================================================================



From mk at calcentral.com  Mon Feb 24 22:46:44 2003
From: mk at calcentral.com (Matthew Kalastro)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:46:44 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
	moderators not getting notified & private archives not found
Message-ID: 

I just installed Mailman 2.1.1 and my users are reporting problems.  

First, list moderators are not getting notified to approve posts.  Here's the
settings for the lists I'm having problems with:
    "Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit action
is defined." = Hold
    "Should messages from non-members, which are automatically discarded, be
forwarded to the list moderator?" = Yes
    "Should the list moderators get immediate notice of new requests, as well as
daily notices about collected ones?" = Yes
    list administrator = mk at soe.ucsc.edu (password set)
    list moderator = mk at soe.ucsc.edu (password set)

Are there other settings that effect moderator notification?  Mail is coming in
and going out fine, and posters are getting notified their messages are held for
approval.  But moderators are not being emailed to approve non-member postings.

Second, I had to tweak Mailman/Cgi/private.py to work around a "Private archive
file not found" error.  The call to guess_type(path, strict=0) seems broken on
my install of Mailman, so here's what I used instead (from my tweaked
private.py):

    # Authorization confirmed... output the desired file
    try:
#        ctype, enc = guess_type(path, strict=0)
#        if ctype is None:
        ctype = 'text/html'
        if mboxfile:
            f = open(os.path.join(mlist.archive_dir() + '.mbox',
                                  mlist.internal_name() + '.mbox'))
            ctype = 'text/plain'
        elif true_filename.endswith('.gz'):
            import gzip
            f = gzip.open(true_filename, 'r')
            ctype='application/x-gzip'
        else:
            f = open(true_filename, 'r')
            ctype='text/html'
    except IOError:
        msg = _('Private archive file not found')
        doc.SetTitle(msg)
        doc.AddItem(Header(2, msg))
        print doc.Format()
        syslog('error', 'Private archive file not found: %s', true_filename)
    else:
        print 'Content-type: %s\n' % ctype
        sys.stdout.write(f.read())
        f.close()

Anyone seen this problem?  Is my Mailman or Python install broken?

Any advise or help really appreciated.

Thanks a lot,
Matt

--
Matthew Kalastro
Webmaster, Baskin School of Engineering, UC Santa Cruz
http://www.soe.ucsc.edu/ http://ssh.soe.ucsc.edu/ https://webmail.soe.ucsc.edu/
Baskin Engineering, rm 138, UCSC, 1156 High St., SC, CA 95064  831.459.5354


From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Mon Feb 24 23:05:36 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:05:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors in nightly gzip
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20030224192813.GD1551@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
	
Message-ID: <20030224220536.GF1551@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hi Luke,

Lucas Albers wrote:
>> Just out of curiosity, what are the perms on the directory where mailman
>> is trying to create the file (/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/cs223)?
>
> ls -l /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/cs223
> total 20
> drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Feb 18 14:42 2003-February
> -rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman      1484 Feb 18 14:42 2003-February.txt
> drwxrws---    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Feb 18 14:42 database
> -rw-rw-rw-    1 apache   mailman      1156 Feb 18 14:42 index.html
> -rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman       844 Feb 18 14:42 pipermail.pck

Actually, what I was asking about was the permissions on the directory
itself.  Like this:

ls -ld /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/cs223

If the permissions there look reasonable, then repeat that command, removing
a directory each time, ala:

ls -ld /usr/local/mailman/archives/private
ls -ld /usr/local/mailman/archives
ls -ld /usr/local/mailman

- -- 
Todd              OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
============================================================================
The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun.
    -- Buckminster Fuller

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From peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu  Mon Feb 24 23:49:09 2003
From: peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu (Peter Bengtson)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:49:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
	How do I move a list from one virtual domain to another?
Message-ID: <2FC1CF74-484A-11D7-879E-003065752102@musikelit.nu>

I need to move a mailing list from one of my virtual domains to 
another, but I can't find any information on how to proceed anywhere in 
the FAQ. The name of the list is the same, but the virtual domain is 
different. Previously, 'web_page_url' was available, but nowadays it 
isn't defined (bin/config_list -c) reports it as undefined.

How is this done?

	/ Peter Bengtson



From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net  Tue Feb 25 00:42:04 2003
From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 18:42:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] auto-discard/purge to an announce list?
In-Reply-To: ;
	from ahkitj@jnawk.net.nz on Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 09:37:32AM +1300
References: 
Message-ID: <20030224184203.A28423@dogpound.vnet.net>

* Jonathan Ah Kit (ahkitj at jnawk.net.nz) wrote:
> I am back running the sarge/testing Debian package (2.0.13, IIRC) of
> Mailman, and I'm wondering if there's a way to either auto discard all
> admindb requests? The rationale is that I run mostly announce lists at the
> moment, and with just confirm subscribes, I shouldn't need to approve
> anything at all, including the posts from only explicit address (which has
> been set).

Check FAQ 1.12


> On another related matter: I had to quickly downgrade this week by doing a
> quick archive backup and dpkg --purge. Next time I try the sid Debian
> package, anyone have some general tips on the upgrade? (Other than keeping
> a 2.0.13 config and db backup...)

Upgrade should be smooth.  Did you downgrade due to a problem?  If so what
was it?

And its good to backup $prefix/lists $prefix/archives $prefix/data

And in case you have custom web pages/messages, $prefix/templates and
$prefix/messages

And if your the paraniod sysadmin type..  just backup all of $prefix/

--
Matthew Davis
http://dogpound.vnet.net/

Catch-23: Complete the previous catch before proceeding to this step.


From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net  Tue Feb 25 00:45:29 2003
From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 18:45:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] authentication problem on upgrade
In-Reply-To: 
	; from
	dave@umiacs.umd.edu on Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 03:48:57PM -0500
References: 
Message-ID: <20030224184529.B28423@dogpound.vnet.net>

* Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist (dave at umiacs.umd.edu) wrote:
> I'm going from 2.0.13 to 2.1.1. The machine I want to first test it on
> has no compiler so I copy the real mailman structures onto another machine,
> (let's call it "test.domain") have account, group, perms etc set up,
[snip]
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/etc/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/etc/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 82, in main
>     cgidata.getvalue('adminpw', '')):
>   File "/etc/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 219, in WebAuthenticate
>     print self.MakeCookie(ac, user)
>   File "/etc/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 234, in MakeCookie
>     c = Cookie.SimpleCookie()
> AttributeError: 'Mailman.Cookie' module has no attribute 'SimpleCookie'
> 
> Any ideas?

Try cleaning out the cookies on the client machine.  There have been
problems with old 2.0.13 cookies interfearing with 2.1 cookies.

Just an idea, see if that works.

--
Matthew Davis
http://dogpound.vnet.net/

DOS-O-MANIA : Reboot is not kicking your computer again


From siffert at museworld.com  Tue Feb 25 01:24:41 2003
From: siffert at museworld.com (Curt Siffert)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:24:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newsletter
In-Reply-To: <200302240814.20425.debian@firman.us>
Message-ID: <880E13F5-4857-11D7-8434-000393887F74@museworld.com>

It appears my particular problem might be related to either qmail or  
verp.  Even if I have mailman configured correctly, my message headers  
include "Return-Path" which includes the email address of the original  
sender.  Does anyone have any idea of how I can easily parse this out?   
Does mailman have this capability?  Or is there an area of the code I  
can patch easily?

Thanks,
Curt

On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 09:14  AM, Andy Firman wrote:

> On Sunday 23 February 2003 14:50, Curt Siffert wrote:
>> Is there a way to keep the email address of a sender from showing up
>> anywhere in the headers of the resulting email?
>>
>> I've got a newsletter with everyone moderated except for one user, who
>> I'd like to be able to post to the list.  But if his email address
>> shows up in the email, someone else could forge it and be able to spam
>> the list, couldn't they?  Unless there's a way to hide the sender's
>> email address.  Is there a better way to handle this without requiring
>> someone to approve a message through the web interface?
>
> Yes this is very simple and just by running a test list you will see  
> how
> easy it is.  Also, we just talked about this recently so look at the  
> archives
> and you will find lots of information there.
>
> Andy
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:  
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> This message was sent to: siffert at museworld.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
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>



From spike at indra.com  Tue Feb 25 03:00:30 2003
From: spike at indra.com (Spike Ilacqua)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:00:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.1, Archiving, News, and monthly reminders
Message-ID: <200302250200.h1P20VIj005776@net.indra.com>


Two quick questions:

I just upgraded to 2.1.1 and now Archiving and Mail/News gatewaying
appear on the list config page.  I don't want provide archiving and
Mail/News gateway is confusing a folks who don't know what News is but
figure they should enable it anyway.  Is there anyway to disable these
to features?

Second, is there any way to get the monthly password reminders to come
from the list owners?  I have maybe two dozen lists, some of them
largem run by about a dozen people.  Every month the password
reminders go out and I get back about twenty message from people who
didn't read the instructions and reply back to "mailman" with some
request or another.  I then have to manually forward the requests to
the right list owner.  Assuming it can't be setup that way, and
looking at the code, it doesn't seem likely, how do other people
handle this?

Thanks,

->Spike



From kremels at kreme.com  Tue Feb 25 03:17:15 2003
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:17:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approved: Header
Message-ID: <42210E0D-4867-11D7-8FFE-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>

I checked the FAQ for info on the Approved header, but although I found 
references to using it, I didn't find references to exactly HOW to use 
it.

All I want is for a poster to a list to put an Approved line as the 
first line of the body and then have that line stripped before the 
message is passed to the list.

How do I set this up and what needs to be on the approved line?

-- 
The older you get the more you need the people you knew when you were 
young.



From rupa-list at rupa.com  Tue Feb 25 04:52:31 2003
From: rupa-list at rupa.com (Rupa Schomaker)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:52:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] auto-discard/purge to an announce list?
References: 
Message-ID: 

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Jonathan Ah Kit  writes:

> On another related matter: I had to quickly downgrade this week by doing a
> quick archive backup and dpkg --purge. Next time I try the sid Debian
> package, anyone have some general tips on the upgrade? (Other than keeping
> a 2.0.13 config and db backup...)

1) Make double sure you've purged your admindb queues for all your
   lists.  This bit me hard -- yes, it is documented clearly.

2) Make sure you run the fix_url script on your lists -- especially if
   you use virtual hosts.

- -- 
- -rupa

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From barry at python.org  Tue Feb 25 06:14:51 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 00:14:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approved: Header
References: <42210E0D-4867-11D7-8FFE-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>
Message-ID: <15962.64459.253557.457386@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "L" == LuKreme   writes:

    L> I checked the FAQ for info on the Approved header, but although
    L> I found references to using it, I didn't find references to
    L> exactly HOW to use it.

    L> All I want is for a poster to a list to put an Approved line as
    L> the first line of the body and then have that line stripped
    L> before the message is passed to the list.

    L> How do I set this up and what needs to be on the approved line?

You don't need to do anything to set this up.

Say you have a list with an admin password of "geddy".  If a
non-member (or otherwise unapproved poster) sends a message to the
list with a regular mail header of

    Approved: geddy

then the message, which normally would be held or bounced, goes
through to the list without moderation.  Putting that line as the
first non-whitespace line in the body of the message is equivalent.
In both cases, the header and/or body line is removed before the
message is forwarded.

"Approve: " is a synonym.  Both the list admin password and
the moderator password is accepted.

Note that there's a related feature; if the header is Urgent: with the
appropriate password, then the message is sent to all members
immediately, including digest members (who get it twice -- once
immediately and once in the digest).

-Barry



From kremels at kreme.com  Tue Feb 25 06:29:20 2003
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:29:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix version? (Was Re: Mailman and Postfix *2*?)
In-Reply-To: <20030224162820.13152.qmail@operamail.com>
Message-ID: <179D88D2-4882-11D7-8FFE-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>

On Monday, Feb 24, 2003, at 09:28 Canada/Mountain, John Redmond wrote:
> I installed 2.1 with Postfix 2.0.3 and all appears well. Mind you this 
> is based on simple testing with low traffic, as I'm just getting ready 
> to  test with for actual users!

Curiously, I can't seem to figure out what version of postfix is 
installed.  There's no version flag that I can see in the man page.  I 
mean, I THINK I am running 2.0.0.2, but that's just based on a faint 
recollection of installing that version.


-- 
Sarah, age 18, says "man, once you go crayola you can't go back."



From kremels at kreme.com  Tue Feb 25 07:23:33 2003
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:23:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] permission errors
Message-ID: 

I keep getting these errors in the errr log.  Seems every day the 
config.pck files are created as user www, group mailman, and 
permissions of 660.

Feb 24 23:15:02 2003 gate_news(28507): IOError :  [Errno 13] Permission 
denied: '/Users/mailman/lists/thelist/config.pck'


How do I fix this?

-- 
...when you're no longer searching for beauty or love, just some kind 
of life with the edges taken off.  When you can't even define what it 
is that you're frightened of; this song will be here.



From kmastin at beechtree.ca  Tue Feb 25 07:56:18 2003
From: kmastin at beechtree.ca (Keith Mastin)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 01:56:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix version? (Was Re: Mailman and Postfix
 *2*?)
In-Reply-To: <179D88D2-4882-11D7-8FFE-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>
Message-ID: 

>On Monday, Feb 24, 2003, at 09:28 Canada/Mountain, John Redmond wrote:
>> I installed 2.1 with Postfix 2.0.3 and all appears well. Mind you this 
>> is based on simple testing with low traffic, as I'm just getting ready 
>> to  test with for actual users!
>
>Curiously, I can't seem to figure out what version of postfix is 
>installed.  There's no version flag that I can see in the man page.  I 
>mean, I THINK I am running 2.0.0.2, but that's just based on a faint 
>recollection of installing that version.

check the maillogs



From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Tue Feb 25 08:16:04 2003
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:16:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
	Re: Postfix version? (Was Re: Mailman and Postfix *2*?)
In-Reply-To: <179D88D2-4882-11D7-8FFE-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>
References: <20030224162820.13152.qmail@operamail.com>
	<179D88D2-4882-11D7-8FFE-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>
Message-ID: <20030225071604.GA11586@hq.newdream.net>

On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 10:29:20PM -0700, LuKreme wrote:
> On Monday, Feb 24, 2003, at 09:28 Canada/Mountain, John Redmond wrote:

> >I installed 2.1 with Postfix 2.0.3 and all appears well. Mind you
> >this is based on simple testing with low traffic, as I'm just getting
> >ready to  test with for actual users!
 
> Curiously, I can't seem to figure out what version of postfix is
> installed.  There's no version flag that I can see in the man page.  I
> mean, I THINK I am running 2.0.0.2, but that's just based on a faint
> recollection of installing that version.

postconf mail_version

-- 
"Since when is skepticism un-American?
Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")




From sumeetp at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 25 00:00:33 2003
From: sumeetp at hotmail.com (Sumeet Pannu)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:00:33 -0800
Subject: Fw: [Mailman-Users] Re: Example of bad line break in subject header
Message-ID: 

I think the lack of response probably has everyone stumped on this bug
(feature?). If it is a feature than there should certainly be a turn off
botton. When subjects are too long, they get indented, which breaks procmail
rules.
I propose the following workarounds:
1. Migrate back to 2.0.13. Can anyone give me insight into the posibility of
doing this and if it's even possible, ie, will the messages, archives remain
there?
2. Does anyone have any idea how to force sendmail to pipe ALL mailman
messages to procmail and set up a rule to remove the tabs before sending the
message to the users, but after it has already mangled the subject line?
thanks, sumeet.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sumeet Pannu" 
To: ; "Mitchell Marks" 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 12:52 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Example of bad line break in subject header


> This is clearly what I meant to say in my last post. Doug Brandon also has
> this issue and no one was able to address it for him. I have the same
issue
> as Mr. Marks. Would someone please point me to the correct Headers.py
patch
> referred to below, perhaps my mileage will be better than Mr. Marks'.
> Alternatively a migration back to 2.0.13 would be acceptable if anyone has
> done this. Thanks, sumeet.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mitchell Marks" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 3:48 PM
> Subject: Example of bad line break in subject header was Re:
[Mailman-Users]
> Upgrade from 2.0.x to 2.1.1-- incorrect padding error.
>
>
> > I'm enclosing below the full headers from Sumeet P's recent message, as
> > they reached me.  This shows the formatting problem discussed last week,
> > mentioned on the Mailman-Users list by Sarah from NOW and seconded by
me,
> > and also turned over a little on the Developers list.
> >
> > The discussion on Developers included requests for an example that would
> > reproduce the problem.  I don't know if this one will show the same
> > behavior if re-tried on another installation, but here we can at least
see
> > it happening someplace we can observe in common.  (In case this gets
> > mangled on the way back through, the Subject header as I've received it
> and
> > pasted below is: first line " [Mailman-Users] " then second line a Tab
and
> > the rest "  Upgrade from 2.0.x to 2.1.1-- incorrect padding error. ")
> >
> > I've installed the recommended Headers.py patch (and checked that it is
> > /this/ headers.py that is being used), and I thought briefly that the
> > problem was solved for my installation -- but it isn't. I'll quote a
> > subject string that I've seen problems with, but note that whether it's
> > reproducible seems to depend on what list it's going through.  Here's
the
> > example: "[CUIP Activity]  NSPTECH 2097 Alex Wilson  Wednesday
2003-01-15
> > OS install/Printer Install".  It breaks after the list tag [CUIP
> Activity],
> > and so do test messages with longish subjects that go through that
> > list.  But if I send a message with that same header through a Test list
> > (or any of several others), it doesn't break funny.  I'm trying to
figure
> > out the differences between the lists, but haven't managed to make the
> > error happen in the Test list by fiddling with Language Options and
> > Personalization.
> >
> > I'm close to ready to just suppress all wrapping in Subjects if that
would
> > cure this oddity.  Would that be a disaster waiting to happen?  How hard
> > would it be (I don't know much about the Mailman python code)?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >    Mitch Marks
> >
> > P.S.  The point was made in the Developers discussion that Eudora's
> > handling of the newlines in the summary windows may not accord to the
> > relevant standard.  Would someone who can speak to this fairly
> > authoritatively feel like sending a report/suggestion in Qualcomm's
> > direction?  This is indeed only bothering Eudora users here.  (Including
> me...)
> >
> >
> > The headers for the example passing through Mailman-Users:
> >
> >  >At 03:23 PM 2/23/03, Sumeet wrote:
> >  >X-Originating-IP: [65.113.40.130]
> >  >From: "Sumeet" 
> >  >To: 
> >  >Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:23:58 -0800
> >  >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200
> >  >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2003 21:23:59.0699 (UTC)
> >  >       FILETIME=[E14D2A30:01C2DB81]
> >  >X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0
> >  >
> >
>
tests=BODY_PYTHON_ZOPE,FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,FROM_BIGISP,LARGE_HEX,SPAM_PHRAS
> >  >E_00_01,USER_AGENT_OE
> >  >X-Spam-Level: *
> >  >Subject: [Mailman-Users]
> >  >       Upgrade from 2.0.x to 2.1.1-- incorrect padding error.
> >  >X-BeenThere: mailman-users at python.org
> >  >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1
> >  >List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users
> 
> >  >List-Unsubscribe:
> ,
> >  >       
> >  >List-Archive: 
> >  >List-Post: 
> >  >List-Help: 
> >  >List-Subscribe:
,
> >  >       
> >  >Sender: mailman-users-bounces+mitchell=cuip.net at python.org
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mitchell Marks
> > CUIP Tech Coordinator    http://cuip.uchicago.edu
> > CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project
> > 5640 S Ellis Ave  AAC-045, Univ of Chgo, Chgo IL 60637
> >
> > Telephone:  Ofc 773-702-6041
> >          Fax 702-8212
> >          Home (v.m. only, ok any time) 241-7166
> > Email: Primary address: mitch at cuip.uchicago.edu
> >          Alternate UofC addresses (use especially to report problems
with
> > cuip.uchicago.edu): mitchell at cs.uchicago.edu and
mmar at midway.uchicago.edu
> >          Off-campus (ISP) address: mmarks at pobox.com
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
> > This message was sent to: sumeetp at hotmail.com
> > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> >
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/sumeetp%40hotmail.com
> >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> This message was sent to: sumeetp at hotmail.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/sumeetp%40hotmail.com
>


From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk  Tue Feb 25 10:20:42 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:20:42 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] permission errors
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030225091523.030e0048@pop3.demon.co.uk>

At 06:23 25/02/2003, LuKreme wrote:
>I keep getting these errors in the errr log.  Seems every day the 
>config.pck files are created as user www, group mailman, and permissions 
>of 660.

These look like the right permissions.

>Feb 24 23:15:02 2003 gate_news(28507): IOError :  [Errno 13] Permission 
>denied: '/Users/mailman/lists/thelist/config.pck'
>

Under which uid are you running the gate_news cron job; presumably not a 
uid which is a member of the mailman group?

>How do I fix this?
>--
>...when you're no longer searching for beauty or love, just some kind of 
>life with the edges taken off.  When you can't even define what it is that 
>you're frightened of; this song will be here.



From goeran at zaengerlein.de  Tue Feb 25 12:49:34 2003
From: goeran at zaengerlein.de (Goeran Zaengerlein)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:49:34 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How are the URLs in the webinterface built?
Message-ID: <000001c2dcc3$fa9d4720$150618d3@BTor>

Hello everyone,

I installed Mailman 2.1.1 on my Suse 8.1 Linux box (together with Apache
and Postfix).

The installation went smooth, except that the webinterface does not work
as expected: when I go to the administration of a list (in my case:
lists.mydomain.info/admin.cgi/listname) the URLs on the page are contain
the hostname of my linuxbox instead of the the domainname I put in the
respective variables in mm_cfg.py. Here is an excerpt from mz mm_cfg.py:

--- snip ---
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mydomain.info'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.mydomain.info'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/'

# For backwards compatibility.  Note: DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN must end in a
slash!
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST
DEFAULT_URL       = DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN % DEFAULT_URL_HOST

add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
--- snap ---

lists.mydomain.info is an Apache virtual host and points to
"/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin".

Here the excerpt from my httpd.conf:

--- snip ---

ServerName lists.mydomain.info
DocumentRoot /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin
Options ExecCGI FollowSymLinks
Alias /icons/ /usr/local/mailman/icons/
Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/

--- snap ---

The hostname of my system is "1234567890.pureserver.info".

Can anyone tell me why the URLs in the administration pages use that
hostname instead of the DEFAULT_URL_HOST i specified? The problem is,
like this the webinterface does not work for me.

Thanks a lot for your help,
regards,
Goeran



From bjacobs at vianetworks.nl  Tue Feb 25 13:28:18 2003
From: bjacobs at vianetworks.nl (Bart Jacobs)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:28:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing members from several lists at once
Message-ID: 

Hello,

I am a officenet administrator and see a lot off people come and go.
Every time someone leaves i have to cheq all the lists an unsubscribe
him/her.
I am looking for a more simple way to do that.
Is there a possability to unsubscribe by email so i can send an email to all
lists.
And.... what will hapen if the adress is not even on that list?
Thanks in advance,

Met vriendelijke groet,
VIA NET.WORKS Nederland

Bart Jacobs

Afdeling systeembeheer



From dave at umiacs.umd.edu  Tue Feb 25 13:54:33 2003
From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:54:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Fw: [Mailman-Users] Re: Example of bad line break in subject
 header
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Sumeet Pannu wrote:

> 2. Does anyone have any idea how to force sendmail to pipe ALL mailman
> messages to procmail and set up a rule to remove the tabs before sending the
> message to the users, but after it has already mangled the subject line?
> thanks, sumeet.

set procmail as your LDA (local delivery agent). This can be done by
modifying the .mc file to include:
FEATURE(`local_procmail')

The resultant sendmail.cf  will have a line containg something like:
Mlocal,         P=/usr/local/bin/procmail, F=lsDFMAw5:/|@qSPfhn9, S=EnvFromL/Hdr
FromL, R=EnvToL/HdrToL,
                T=DNS/RFC822/X-Unix,
                A=procmail -Y -a $h -d $u

Here's where it gets  tricky (or cool). Now you can create a systemwide
procmailrc eg /etc/procmailrc    that contains what you want to execute
but to have this take affect, you'll need to have a .procmailrc in all
users accounts (eg in the mailman account?) containing something like:
INCLUDERC=/etc/procmailrc

Thus users will have their own procmailrc and run the systemwide one.
This can be done automatically on solaris by putteing a template .procmailrc
into /etc/skel.

Sound complicated? You're right. Probably, a better way to handle this
might be to set up a sendmail ruleset that automatically does this
without the need for procmail. But writting sendmail rulesets (even if
they are only three lines or so) can be scary. Try poking around
comp.mail.sendmail   for help on this


 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 David Stern                                            University of Maryland
                Institute for Advanced Computer Studies



From dave at umiacs.umd.edu  Tue Feb 25 13:59:29 2003
From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:59:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] authentication problem on upgrade
In-Reply-To: <20030224184529.B28423@dogpound.vnet.net>
Message-ID: 

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Matthew Davis wrote:

> * Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist (dave at umiacs.umd.edu) wrote:
> > I'm going from 2.0.13 to 2.1.1. The machine I want to first test it on
> > has no compiler so I copy the real mailman structures onto another machine,
> > (let's call it "test.domain") have account, group, perms etc set up,
> [snip]
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> >   File "/etc/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
> >     main()
> >   File "/etc/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 82, in main
> >     cgidata.getvalue('adminpw', '')):
> >   File "/etc/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 219, in WebAuthenticate
> >     print self.MakeCookie(ac, user)
> >   File "/etc/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 234, in MakeCookie
> >     c = Cookie.SimpleCookie()
> > AttributeError: 'Mailman.Cookie' module has no attribute 'SimpleCookie'
> >
> > Any ideas?
>
> Try cleaning out the cookies on the client machine.  There have been
> problems with old 2.0.13 cookies interfearing with 2.1 cookies.
>

Sounds like a good idea. How is this done? I presume you're not talking
about the subscribers cookies in ~/.netscape/cookie. I see
$PREFIX/Mailman/Cookie.py
$PREFIX/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py
Do these need to be modified or do they access some DBfile?



 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 David Stern                                            University of Maryland
                Institute for Advanced Computer Studies



From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Feb 25 14:59:30 2003
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:59:30 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How are the URLs in the webinterface built?
In-Reply-To: <000001c2dcc3$fa9d4720$150618d3@BTor>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030225135428.040eac18@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 11:49 25/02/2003, Goeran Zaengerlein wrote:
>Hello everyone,
>
>I installed Mailman 2.1.1 on my Suse 8.1 Linux box (together with Apache
>and Postfix).
>
>The installation went smooth, except that the webinterface does not work
>as expected: when I go to the administration of a list (in my case:
>lists.mydomain.info/admin.cgi/listname) the URLs on the page are contain
>the hostname of my linuxbox instead of the the domainname I put in the
>respective variables in mm_cfg.py. Here is an excerpt from mz mm_cfg.py:
>
>--- snip ---
>DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mydomain.info'
>DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.mydomain.info'
>DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/'
>
># For backwards compatibility.  Note: DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN must end in a
>slash!
>DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST
>DEFAULT_URL       = DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN % DEFAULT_URL_HOST
>
>add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>--- snap ---
>
>lists.mydomain.info is an Apache virtual host and points to
>"/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin".
>
>Here the excerpt from my httpd.conf:
>
>--- snip ---
>
>ServerName lists.mydomain.info
>DocumentRoot /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin
>Options ExecCGI FollowSymLinks
>Alias /icons/ /usr/local/mailman/icons/
>Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
>
>--- snap ---
>
>The hostname of my system is "1234567890.pureserver.info".

Tying running $prefix/bin/fix_url.py - the instructions on how to use it 
are near the top of the file fix_url.py .

Why the problem? Did you create the lists before making the changes to 
mm_cfg.py? That often causes the problem.

>Can anyone tell me why the URLs in the administration pages use that
>hostname instead of the DEFAULT_URL_HOST i specified? The problem is,
>like this the webinterface does not work for me.
>
>Thanks a lot for your help,
>regards,
>Goeran



From mm at zpod.ca  Tue Feb 25 15:24:16 2003
From: mm at zpod.ca (Jeremy Cross)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:24:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Which aliases are *required*?
Message-ID: <007501c2dcd9$97fd2980$4100a8c0@mnr>

Hello all,

I am using Mailman 2.1.1 and most of my lists are newsletter distribution type lists, requiring posting by one user and subscribe/unsubscribe by many users. I found the setup for a newsletter list in the FAQ, so I'm set up ok.

My question is which of the 10 alias entries are *required* to support this type of list. I understand that Mailman will generate some of these addresses when creating the headers to support things like bounced message processing. I plan to use the web interface for all admin functions, and so really only want to post, subscribe and unsubscribe. 

Here are my aliases for one list to help with a real-world explaination.

## newsletter-ark mailing list
newsletter-ark:              "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post newsletter-ark"
newsletter-ark-admin:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin newsletter-ark"
newsletter-ark-bounces:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces newsletter-ark"
newsletter-ark-confirm:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm newsletter-ark"
newsletter-ark-join:         "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join newsletter-ark"
newsletter-ark-leave:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave newsletter-ark"
newsletter-ark-owner:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner newsletter-ark"
newsletter-ark-request:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request newsletter-ark"
newsletter-ark-subscribe:    "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe newsletter-ark"
newsletter-ark-unsubscribe:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe newsletter-ark"

Thank you very much!
Jeremy.

From frank at slpoa.net  Mon Feb 24 19:32:18 2003
From: frank at slpoa.net (Frank Baillie)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:32:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman bounce option
Message-ID: <000f01c2dc33$16ac5230$6522460a@frankscomputer>

Hi;
 
A useful option for excessive bounces would be "Do nothing and notify
me".
 
Just a thought.
 
Frank Baillie

From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Feb 25 16:27:45 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 25 Feb 2003 10:27:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can mailman archvies be viewed as HTML?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1046186872.1615.10.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

Mailman's built in archiver does not do this well (show HTML email in
the archives).

You might want to look at using an external archiver like Mhonarc.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Sun, 2003-02-23 at 20:28, Jeff Martin wrote:
> I have just installed mailman 2.0.13. Can the mail archives be viewed as
> HTML pages? That is if someone sends an email through the mailman server
> with HTML formatting, can the email be viewed from the archives with this
> formatting?  The default for my installation seems to be to view the email
> as straight text.  Thus I can see the HTML tags rather than the resultant
> formatting.
> 
> Thanks for any help,
> 
> Jeff
> Jeff Martin
> 704 Torrey Lane, Apartment D
> Boalsburg, PA 16827
> H814-466-7791
> jeff at dgjc.org
> www.dgjc.org
> 
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From gmartin at ets.org  Tue Feb 25 18:24:27 2003
From: gmartin at ets.org (Martin, Greg (CSC))
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:24:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URL problem with pipermail
Message-ID: <018664072781D51180290002A513B3A45DEDD5@rosnt77.ets.org>

I used fix_url yesterday to update all my URLs to use the correct external
url for my home network.  All the links seem to be working fine.  Today I
was workingon getting archiving working and that went rather smoothly,
unitl...

I got to the archive page (http://www.mydomain.org/pipermail/listname) for
one list and trid to follow the link for 'more information about this list'.
It failed because it is pointing to the wrong URL!!  Anyone know where
pipermail gets its url info from?  I verified with dumpdb that web_page_url
is correct

Thanks

\\Greg Martin





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From jonathan.miller at computing-services.oxford.ac.uk  Tue Feb 25 18:16:49 2003
From: jonathan.miller at computing-services.oxford.ac.uk (Jonathan Miller)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:16:49 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newsletter list welcome message
Message-ID: 

I've just read the FAQ, and section 3.11 gives good instructions on 
making a list into a newsletter.

However, I have fallen at the first hurdle as far as altering the 
welcome message goes...
 From the FAQ:

"Create a directory lists//en ... and copy 
templates/subscribeack.txt to this directory."

Where ought I create the "lists" directory? In the mailman folder? 
(this did not seem to work)

I'd appreciate any clarification.
Thanks

Jonathan Miller
Learning Technologies Group
Oxford University Computing Services



From gmartin at ets.org  Tue Feb 25 18:33:43 2003
From: gmartin at ets.org (Martin, Greg (CSC))
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:33:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URL problem with pipermail
Message-ID: <018664072781D51180290002A513B3A45DEDD6@rosnt77.ets.org>

Found it.  The URL is hardcoded in
mailman/archives/private//index.html

\\Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin, Greg (CSC) 
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:24 PM
To: 'Mailman-Users at python.org'
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URL problem with pipermail


I used fix_url yesterday to update all my URLs to use the correct external
url for my home network.  All the links seem to be working fine.  Today I
was workingon getting archiving working and that went rather smoothly,
unitl...

I got to the archive page (http://www.mydomain.org/pipermail/listname) for
one list and trid to follow the link for 'more information about this list'.
It failed because it is pointing to the wrong URL!!  Anyone know where
pipermail gets its url info from?  I verified with dumpdb that web_page_url
is correct

Thanks

\\Greg Martin





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From dave at umiacs.umd.edu  Tue Feb 25 18:52:34 2003
From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:52:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm2.0.X to 2.1.1 upgrade, spamassassin
Message-ID: 

Regarding the problems I had where the tracedump was complaining of
authentication/cookies, I was able to resolve the problem by unprotecting
things some (chmod g+w  in $PREFIX/logs, $PREFIX/archives/private)
and then re-running check_perms. Interesting that check_perms ran
successfully previously....

Looking at the options now, I'm not sure I'll upgrade. I do like the
privacy-->sender-filter option: Action to take for postings from non-members
                                   for which no explicit action is defined.

(previously, I used a cron to wipe mail sent to lists held for moderator and
add mailfilters for moderators to not see notifications of held messages.

But I'm disappointed that there aren't any obvious/simple hooks to have this
play with spamassassin. Or has anyone else successfully done this?


 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 David Stern                                            University of Maryland
                Institute for Advanced Computer Studies



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Feb 25 20:46:38 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 25 Feb 2003 14:46:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to force confirmation on my list owners?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	<1045790315.1614.35.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> 
	
Message-ID: <1046202401.1612.12.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

On Mon, 2003-02-24 at 03:51, Marc Haber wrote:
> Your post never made it to the list as far as my inbox is concerned.
> I'll answer the courtesy copy in private because of that. Feel free to
> reply to the list while quoting me.

Sorry, I must have simply hit Reply rather than Reply To All... or maybe
I just hit my quota of list responses for that day :-)
> 
> On 20 Feb 2003 20:18:32 -0500, Jon Carnes  wrote:
> >You could hack the code to remove the subscribe option from the
> >Web-admin.  This would be a fairly easy hack.  Other than that, it's not
> >configurable.
> 
> Yuck. I'll look after that possibility. Don't like it at all though.
> 
> I am still a novice mailman user: Is there a way to have that feature
> put on some kind of TODO list?
> 
If you look up on Sourceforge at the Mailman project you will see that
there is a way of dropping off suggested features.

You can also label it as such on this list...

Note: suggestions that include snippets of code to help accomplish the
requested feature, get a lot more response than others.

Note2: if you really want a feature, you can always pay for it!  Then
donate it back to the public domain. The whole world will sing you
Hazzah's.



From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com  Tue Feb 25 21:54:31 2003
From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:54:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personalized Footers
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030225154756.037760e0@64.65.196.198>

I didn't see a reply to my previous post on this, so I may not have 
explained it well.

I currently have a line "This message was sent to %(user_delivered_to)s" in 
non-digest footer, which places a line on each received message that reads 
"This message was sent to member at domain.com".

I'd like to add a 2nd line that reads "This message was sent by 
sender at domain.org".

Is there a variable similar to "user_delivered_to" that I can use to 
generate the "sent by" footer?

Thanks!

Larry



From lists at monkeez.co.uk  Tue Feb 25 22:03:53 2003
From: lists at monkeez.co.uk (Adam)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:03:53 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upload files with new members' details? 
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1046207033.3e5bda394f051@webmail.monkeez.co.uk>

I see (in 2.1) that you can upload a file with members' details. What is the
formation of this file (csv, or just plain text)? Has anyone had experience of
uploading a variant of an Excel spreadsheet? 

Thansk in advance
adam


From vjl at soceco.uci.edu  Tue Feb 25 23:20:01 2003
From: vjl at soceco.uci.edu (Vince LaMonica)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:20:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  Re: Example of bad line break in subject header
	
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030224082313.051ed0d0@cuip.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <4847D2BA-490F-11D7-9786-000393C78A8C@soceco.uci.edu>

On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 06:52 AM, Mitchell Marks wrote:

> Thank you for these patches.  They didn't yet solve the problem.  
> However, I think I can clarify the circumstances under which it 
> occurs.  It seems to be not the list settings (for Language or 
> Personalization) which matter, but the message's original type.  
> Specifically, I'm seeing the problem when the message is text/html 
> when it arrives.  (MM is sending it back out as multipart/mixed).  
> These messages do not generally have any hi-bit or encoded characters 
> in their Subjects.

We're seeing that problem here as well, though I've confirmed it has 
happened with text/plain as the content type [as sent out by MM]. I 
upgraded MM from 2.0.13 to 2.1.1 on the 16th of Feb, just before NOW 
reported the problem to MM-users. Unfortunately most of our users use 
Eudora [5.1.1 or 5.2 under win2k]. Some have HTML mail enabled, others 
don't.

I usually use Pine [though sometimes OS X mail], and haven't seen the 
problem viewing mail from either of those MUAs. So far, the problem has 
affected all of our 30+ lists, as some folks seem to have the habit of 
making really long subjects. I've already hand-entered all of the 
users' real names into the list rosters, so I would hate to move back 
to 2.0.13 as that feature was not available.

I have a development box that I can put MM on and test out if anyone 
has other patches that might be worth trying.

Any advice would be most welcome.

Thanks,

/vjl/

-- 
Vince LaMonica               UC Irvine,  School  of  Social Ecology
  W3 Developer       <*>      116 Social Ecology I, Irvine, CA 92697
  vjl at uci.edu                  http://www.seweb.uci.edu/techsupport

"This is like losing a game by forfeit when your team was ahead
with the bases loaded and your best batter on deck."
  - Rep. John Conyers, on the DOJ agreeing to settle with Microsoft







From aespinal at spokane.com.do  Tue Feb 25 23:24:52 2003
From: aespinal at spokane.com.do (Amauris Espinal)
Date: 25 Feb 2003 18:24:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install MM for many virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <4847D2BA-490F-11D7-9786-000393C78A8C@soceco.uci.edu>
References: <4847D2BA-490F-11D7-9786-000393C78A8C@soceco.uci.edu>
Message-ID: <1046211893.1055.49.camel@aespinal>

Hi people,

I install MM 2.0.13 and this work good. So, i don't have idea for MM
work with many virtual domains in my server. I need some instructions or
steps for do this.

Can anybody help me???

Thanks a lot

Amauris Espinal



From siffert at museworld.com  Tue Feb 25 23:53:26 2003
From: siffert at museworld.com (Curt Siffert)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:53:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install MM for many virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <1046211893.1055.49.camel@aespinal>
Message-ID: 

Easiest way is to upgrade to MM 2.1.1.  It supports virtual domains.   
The list names themselves have to be unique across the entire system,  
though since the domain name itself is just stored as a preference.

Curt

On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 02:24  PM, Amauris Espinal wrote:

> Hi people,
>
> I install MM 2.0.13 and this work good. So, i don't have idea for MM
> work with many virtual domains in my server. I need some instructions  
> or
> steps for do this.
>
> Can anybody help me???
>
> Thanks a lot
>
> Amauris Espinal
>
>
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From sumeetp at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 26 01:20:59 2003
From: sumeetp at hotmail.com (Sumeet)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:20:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  Re: Example of bad line break in subject header
References: <4847D2BA-490F-11D7-9786-000393C78A8C@soceco.uci.edu>
Message-ID: 

The biggest problem isn't really your particular email client, it's
procmail. I agree with you that it is not confined to any particular sort of
message plain text etc, all have subject wrapping turned on. I'm trying to
get around it by using some procmail magic, but the block format is really
hard to grep for. The fact that no one has been able to tackle this makes me
think it's a pretty big issue somewhere.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vince LaMonica" 
To: "Mitchell Marks" 
Cc: "Tokio Kikuchi" ; 
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Example of bad line break in subject header


> On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 06:52 AM, Mitchell Marks wrote:
>
> > Thank you for these patches.  They didn't yet solve the problem.
> > However, I think I can clarify the circumstances under which it
> > occurs.  It seems to be not the list settings (for Language or
> > Personalization) which matter, but the message's original type.
> > Specifically, I'm seeing the problem when the message is text/html
> > when it arrives.  (MM is sending it back out as multipart/mixed).
> > These messages do not generally have any hi-bit or encoded characters
> > in their Subjects.
>
> We're seeing that problem here as well, though I've confirmed it has
> happened with text/plain as the content type [as sent out by MM]. I
> upgraded MM from 2.0.13 to 2.1.1 on the 16th of Feb, just before NOW
> reported the problem to MM-users. Unfortunately most of our users use
> Eudora [5.1.1 or 5.2 under win2k]. Some have HTML mail enabled, others
> don't.
>
> I usually use Pine [though sometimes OS X mail], and haven't seen the
> problem viewing mail from either of those MUAs. So far, the problem has
> affected all of our 30+ lists, as some folks seem to have the habit of
> making really long subjects. I've already hand-entered all of the
> users' real names into the list rosters, so I would hate to move back
> to 2.0.13 as that feature was not available.
>
> I have a development box that I can put MM on and test out if anyone
> has other patches that might be worth trying.
>
> Any advice would be most welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> /vjl/
>
> --
> Vince LaMonica               UC Irvine,  School  of  Social Ecology
>   W3 Developer       <*>      116 Social Ecology I, Irvine, CA 92697
>   vjl at uci.edu                  http://www.seweb.uci.edu/techsupport
>
> "This is like losing a game by forfeit when your team was ahead
> with the bases loaded and your best batter on deck."
>   - Rep. John Conyers, on the DOJ agreeing to settle with Microsoft
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Feb 26 02:41:02 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 25 Feb 2003 20:41:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm2.0.X to 2.1.1 upgrade, spamassassin
In-Reply-To: 
	
References: 
	
Message-ID: <1046223666.2362.47.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

SpamAssassin is integrated at the MTA level (or at the local delivery
level).  In any case there is no need, and in fact there should not be
any hooks for SpamAssassin built into Mailman.

You can pass any incoming mail through SpamAssassin before delivering it
to your internal network, or if you only have only one mail server then
you can front-end each list with a procmail script which passes the
incoming mail through Spam Assassin before passing it on to Mailman.

If you need help with that, look in the archives or drop a note back to
the list.

Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 12:52, Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote:
> Regarding the problems I had where the tracedump was complaining of
> authentication/cookies, I was able to resolve the problem by unprotecting
> things some (chmod g+w  in $PREFIX/logs, $PREFIX/archives/private)
> and then re-running check_perms. Interesting that check_perms ran
> successfully previously....
> 
> Looking at the options now, I'm not sure I'll upgrade. I do like the
> privacy-->sender-filter option: Action to take for postings from non-members
>                                    for which no explicit action is defined.
> 
> (previously, I used a cron to wipe mail sent to lists held for moderator and
> add mailfilters for moderators to not see notifications of held messages.
> 
> But I'm disappointed that there aren't any obvious/simple hooks to have this
> play with spamassassin. Or has anyone else successfully done this?
> 
> 
>  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>  David Stern                                            University of Maryland
>                 Institute for Advanced Computer Studies




From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Wed Feb 26 02:43:29 2003
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:43:29 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] patch: fix line break in subject header
Message-ID: <3E5C1BC1.103@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Folks,

I've uploaded new patches to fix (hopefully) line break in subject.

1. patch to /pythonlib/email/Header.py
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=687338&group_id=25568&atid=384680
Header.py patch rev030226
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=25568&atid=384680&file_id=43480&aid=687338

2. patch to /Mailman/Handler/CookHeaders.py
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=601117&group_id=103&atid=300103
patch for mailman-2.1.1 rev030226
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=103&atid=300103&file_id=43479&aid=601117


Tokio



From kyleo at onicrom.com  Wed Feb 26 02:45:35 2003
From: kyleo at onicrom.com (Kyle O'Donnell)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:45:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] prblem adding members.. amongst other things.
Message-ID: 

Hey All,

Along with constantly having lockfile problems, i cannot add_members to my 
lists.  I receive the following error:

I checked that file random.py against another box running mailman (using 
the same version of python and mailman) and the files were exactly the 
same.

Anyone know how to fix this?

thanks,
--kyleo

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of 
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what 
happened. Thanks!
Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 169, in main
    change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 1253, in change_options
    Utils.MakeRandomPassword(),
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 297, in MakeRandomPassword
    syls.append(random.choice(_syllables))
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/random.py", line 355, in choice
    return seq[int(self.random() * len(seq))]
OverflowError: float too large to convert



Python information:

Variable	Value
sys.version	2.2.2 (#1, Feb 24 2003, 13:23:08) [GCC 3.2.1 20021207 
(Gentoo Linux 3.2.1-20021207)]
sys.executable	/usr/bin/python
sys.prefix	/usr
sys.exec_prefix	/usr
sys.path	/usr
sys.platform	linux2

Environment variables:

Variable	Value
PATH_INFO 	/mailman/members/add
HTTP_ACCEPT 	
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1
CONTENT_TYPE 	multipart/form-data; 
boundary=---------------------------5218190421099925965682514356
HTTP_REFERER 	http://sponic.com/mailman/admin/mailman/members/add
SERVER_SOFTWARE 	Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) mod_gzip/1.3.19.1a 
mod_perl/1.27 PHP/4.3.0 mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.6h
PYTHONPATH 	/var/mailman
SCRIPT_FILENAME 	/var/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
SERVER_ADMIN 	webmaster at sponic.com
SCRIPT_NAME 	/mailman/admin
SERVER_SIGNATURE 	
Apache/1.3.27 Server at sponic.com Port 80
REQUEST_METHOD 	POST
HTTP_HOST 	sponic.com
HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 	300
SERVER_PROTOCOL 	HTTP/1.1
QUERY_STRING 	
REQUEST_URI 	/mailman/admin/mailman/members/add
CONTENT_LENGTH 	1017
HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET 	ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
HTTP_USER_AGENT 	Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3b) 
Gecko/20030225
HTTP_CONNECTION 	keep-alive
HTTP_COOKIE 	
mailman+admin=28020000006900000000732800000063613934343066373564663033396135613964326434376337396564353834366535356631636438
SERVER_NAME 	sponic.com
REMOTE_ADDR 	159.33.1.105
REMOTE_PORT 	33120
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 	en-us,en;q=0.5
PATH_TRANSLATED 	/var/mailman/cgi-bin/members/add
SERVER_PORT 	80
GATEWAY_INTERFACE 	CGI/1.1
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 	gzip,deflate,compress;q=0.9
SERVER_ADDR 	216.127.92.141
DOCUMENT_ROOT 	/home/virtual/sponic.com/www/htdocs 


From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Feb 26 02:57:30 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 25 Feb 2003 20:57:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newsletter list welcome message
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1046224657.2362.61.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

Just in case you have not figured this one out yet...

FAQ 3.11 refers to Mailman version 2.1.x

The directory  "/usr/local/mailman/lists" already exists.  In that
directory you will find subdirectories that are the same as the names of
your lists.

If you have a list named "goober" then you will have a directory:
  /usr/local/mailman/lists/goober

You will also see that there is a file:
  /usr/local/mailman/templates/en/subscribeack.txt

You can copy the entire "en" subdirectory over to your lists
subdirectory (your list does not yet have an "en" subdirectory).
After that, you can edit the files in there and have them be specific to
your list.  Neat feature!

Good Luck! 

Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 12:16, Jonathan Miller wrote:
> I've just read the FAQ, and section 3.11 gives good instructions on 
> making a list into a newsletter.
> 
> However, I have fallen at the first hurdle as far as altering the 
> welcome message goes...
>  From the FAQ:
> 
> "Create a directory lists//en ... and copy 
> templates/subscribeack.txt to this directory."
> 
> Where ought I create the "lists" directory? In the mailman folder? 
> (this did not seem to work)
> 
> I'd appreciate any clarification.
> Thanks
> 
> Jonathan Miller
> Learning Technologies Group
> Oxford University Computing Services
> 
> 
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From tpr at pics.com  Wed Feb 26 03:51:15 2003
From: tpr at pics.com (Terry Rossi)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:51:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All recipients refused - Hostname required
Message-ID: <1484539E128A5B4D93D35BE6F794B7C9EFFB@pics2000.hq.pics.com>

After upgrading to 2.1.1 I cannot seem to send to my list anymore. The
stmp-failure log is full of 

Feb 25 21:32:35 2003 (95755) delivery to xxxxxxxx at pics.com failed with
code 553:
 5.1.3 ... Hostname required
Feb 25 21:32:35 2003 (95755) delivery to tttttt at pics.com failed with
code 553: 5.
1.3 ... Hostname required

Any help would be most appreciated.


Thanks

Terry


From bhilburn at frontier.net  Wed Feb 26 04:51:49 2003
From: bhilburn at frontier.net (Bill Hilburn)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:51:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Major problem, need some help please...
Message-ID: <1046231509.3e5c39d58b3e9@webmail.frontier.net>



My Mailman is stuck!

I'm running Mailman 2.1b5, I know, I know but it has been problem free since 
installed!

All of the sudden the mailman/qfiles/in directory is filling up and no 
messages are going out, I have tried everything I can think of...

Any ideas why messages would stick in qfiles/in ?

I have even moved these out, watched new *.db & *.msg pairs come in but never 
leave, have stopped, removed locks and restarted mailman.

I'm out of ideas, meanwhile *a lot* of messges are not going out...




Bill Hilburn
NOC Frontier Internet

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From jbutler at ua.edu  Wed Feb 26 05:18:53 2003
From: jbutler at ua.edu (Jeremy Butler)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:18:53 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: Mailman and Postfix *2*?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030225211253.02b96a20@bama.ua.edu>

Postfix 2, Mailman, and I were all getting along well . . . until it came 
time to set up virtual domains.  I've read through the instructions on it 
in Postfix 1, Postfix 2, Mailman, and several Mailman-Users posts; and now 
I've gotten myself totally confused.

Can anyone offer me a bit more guidance?

Here's what I'm trying to do:

A single Linux RH8 computer runs Postfix *2*, Mailman 2.1.1, and Apache 
1.3.27.  Its main domain name is www.tcf.ua.edu , but it also hosts a 
second domain name on a separate IP number:  www.cinemastudies.org .  I 
want to run separate Mailman lists on the two domain names.  I also have a 
small number of user accounts on www.tcf.ua.edu .

Here's what I've done:

1.  Successfully installed Postfix 2 and gotten it to receive/send mail on 
www.tcf.ua.edu .

2.  Successfully created Mailman lists on www.tcf.ua.edu .

Now here's where things get wonky as I attempted to add a virtual domain.

3.  Edited Postfix's /etc/postfix/main.cf by inserting lines from 
sample-virtual.cf:

virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual
virtual_alias_domains = $virtual_alias_maps

Should this second one be:

virtual_alias_domains = 
$virtual_alias_maps,hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman

4.  Edited /etc/postfix/virtual and put these lines in it to create a 
virtual domain of www.cinemastudies.org:

www.cinemastudies.org anything (right-hand content does not matter)
@www.cinemastudies.org                @www.tcf.ua.edu

5.  Ran "postmap /etc/postfix/virtual" to create /etc/postfix/virtual.db.

6.  Added the following to the end of mm_cfg.py:

MTA = 'Postfix'
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['www.cinemastudies.org']

7.  Ran "/sbin/service postfix restart".

So far, I haven't received anything on my virtual domain 
(www.cinemastudies.org).  Any thoughts as to why?

Should myhostname be entered twice--once for the main domain and once for 
the virtual one?  Like this:

myhostname = www.tcf.ua.edu
myhostname = www.cinemastudies.org

Should I add anything to:

mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain

Thanks for the help!

>Vivek Khera khera at kcilink.com
>Mon Feb 24 12:19:46 EST 2003
>
>Postfix' "sendmail-style" virtual domains are no longer officially
>documented or supported.
>
>Virtual domains are now specified using two postfix config variables:
>virtual_alias_domains and virtual_alias_maps.  In
>virtual_alias_domains you wan to list the same domains you list in
>Mailman's POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS variable.  virtual_alias_maps
>is the replacement for virtual_maps as Mailman uses it.  Since Mailman
>doesn't set the postfix 'magic' entry to identify a domain to
>virtualize in the maps it generates, it is necessary to list them in
>the virtual_alias_domains variable.
>
>--
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>Vivek Khera, Ph.D.                Khera Communications, Inc.
>Internet: khera at kciLink.com       Rockville, MD       +1-240-453-8497
>AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera   http://www.khera.org/~vivek/


Jeremy Butler
jbutler at ua.edu
========================================================
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www.TVCrit.com



From jbutler at ua.edu  Wed Feb 26 05:22:36 2003
From: jbutler at ua.edu (Jeremy Butler)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:22:36 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix *2* Upgrade and New List Creation
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030225221747.02bc3e08@bama.ua.edu>

I recently upgraded from Postfix 1 to Postfix 2 and suddenly I lost my 
ability to create new lists.  (This may also be related to a question about 
virtual domains that I just posted.)

Of course, I upgraded as root--using an RPM on RedHat 8.  Would that have 
messed with my permissions?

When I try to create a list, I get the following error message:

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
     main()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
     process_request(doc, cgidata)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in 
process_request
     sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 226, in create
     _update_maps()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 47, in _update_maps
     raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias 
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)

I checked my permissions and they read:

-rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman      5804 Feb 25 22:03 aliases
-rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman     12288 Feb 22 10:20 aliases.db

/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases has been changed and new aliases added, but 
aliases.db was not updated.

Thanks for the assistance.


Jeremy Butler
jbutler at ua.edu
========================================================
TELEVISION: CRITICAL METHODS AND APPLICATIONS
www.TVCrit.com



From sumeetp at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 26 06:49:22 2003
From: sumeetp at hotmail.com (Sumeet)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:49:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] patch: fix line break in subject header
References: <3E5C1BC1.103@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: 

So, now it does some strange spaceing and comes out like this note different but existing spacing issues:
Subject: [webmaster] this is a test this is a test this is a test this is a
 test this  is a test this is a test this is a test this
 is a test this is a test thi      s is a test this is a test
 this is a test this is a test this is a test t his is a
 test this is a test.


I replaced Header.py by cping it and placing your file in ~mailman/pythonlib/email/ and running patch < headerpatch.diff which ran successfully. thx, sumeet.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tokio Kikuchi" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 5:43 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] patch: fix line break in subject header


> Folks,
> 
> I've uploaded new patches to fix (hopefully) line break in subject.
> 
> 1. patch to /pythonlib/email/Header.py
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=687338&group_id=25568&atid=384680
> Header.py patch rev030226
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=25568&atid=384680&file_id=43480&aid=687338
> 
> 2. patch to /Mailman/Handler/CookHeaders.py
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=601117&group_id=103&atid=300103
> patch for mailman-2.1.1 rev030226
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=103&atid=300103&file_id=43479&aid=601117
> 
> 
> Tokio
> 
> 
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> 
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> 

From ian at onepost.net  Wed Feb 26 07:21:06 2003
From: ian at onepost.net (Ian Marlier)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:21:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change mailman web port?
Message-ID: <7D1A736A-4952-11D7-99A1-000393B7CFDC@onepost.net>

I'm running Mailman on a server behind a DSL line, and the DSL provider 
doesn't allow access to port 80.  So I need to run the web part of 
Mailman on another port.  I can access all of the pages fine (ie, 
apache is set up correctly), BUT

all of the links, in the Mailman pages as well as the e-mails that 
Mailman generates, refer to the server name _without_ the non-standard 
port.

Right now, mailman generates links like
http://lists.server.com/mailman/listinfo/....
and I need
http://lists.server.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/....


Where would I look to make this change?

Thanks much,

Ian



From debian at firman.us  Wed Feb 26 08:32:29 2003
From: debian at firman.us (Andy Firman)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:32:29 -0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users]   Mailman 2.0.11
Message-ID: <200302252232.29997.debian@firman.us>


Sorry for the basic question but its important to me.
I have tried to figure this out on my own.
I have 2.0.11 installed on Debian 3.0.
(can't upgrade because I don't know how and there is not a budget for my time)

I want my signup page to look like this Redhat page with the logos having
links on the bottom:
https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list

I have my logos working but I can't figure out how to link to
python, gnu, and mailman.  All you see is the logs but there are no links.

I know I can cut and paste the html code in place of the 
 but it does not look very good.

Where do I find, and how do I edit, the MM-Mailman-Footer???

Thanks.  Andy


From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk  Wed Feb 26 09:59:36 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:59:36 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change mailman web port?
In-Reply-To: <7D1A736A-4952-11D7-99A1-000393B7CFDC@onepost.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030226085526.0472ade8@pop3.demon.co.uk>

At 06:21 26/02/2003, Ian Marlier wrote:
>I'm running Mailman on a server behind a DSL line, and the DSL provider 
>doesn't allow access to port 80.  So I need to run the web part of Mailman 
>on another port.  I can access all of the pages fine (ie, apache is set up 
>correctly), BUT
>
>all of the links, in the Mailman pages as well as the e-mails that Mailman 
>generates, refer to the server name _without_ the non-standard port.
>
>Right now, mailman generates links like
>http://lists.server.com/mailman/listinfo/....
>and I need
>http://lists.server.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/....
>
>
>Where would I look to make this change?
>
>Thanks much,
>
>Ian


Assuming you are use MM 2.1.1, you want to override the value of the MM 
configuration variable DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN.

Add the following line to your $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file

DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s:8080/mailman/'

and then use $prefix/bin/fix_url.py to propagate the change to your 
existing lists.



From grez at grumpygoblin.com  Wed Feb 26 14:37:27 2003
From: grez at grumpygoblin.com (Graham Lillico)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:37:27 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-Id Headers
Message-ID: <20030226133727.GA44528@thor.grumpygoblin.com>

Hi,

I have managed to upgrade from 2.0 to 2.1 and I have noticed that the
List-Id: headers have changed in my emails from

List-Id: MAILING LIST TEXT 

to

List-Id: MAILING LIST TEXT
	

and now procmail can't filter on it.

Is this a problem with 2.1? and is it fixed in 2.1.1? I search the
mailing list but couldn't find any mention of it.

Regards

Grez

-- 
+----------------------------------------+
| Graham Lillico  |
+----------------------------------------+


From jbutler at ua.edu  Wed Feb 26 15:16:16 2003
From: jbutler at ua.edu (Jeremy Butler)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:16:16 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix *2* Upgrade and New List Creation
In-Reply-To: 
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030225221747.02bc3e08@bama.ua.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030226081451.03a82e90@bama.ua.edu>

Thanks, Dan.

I changed the perms to match yours and that did the trick!

Regards,

At 10:28 PM 2/25/2003 -0600, Dan Phillips wrote:

>>I checked my permissions and they read:
>>
>>-rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman      5804 Feb 25 22:03 aliases
>>-rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman     12288 Feb 22 10:20 aliases.db
>>
>>/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases has been changed and new aliases added, 
>>but aliases.db was not updated.
>
>FWIW, mine read:
>
>-rw-rw----  1 mailman  mailman    8262 Jan 31 19:40 aliases
>-rw-rw-r--  1 mailman  mailman   16384 Jan 31 19:40 aliases.db
>
>and I do seem to remember playing with perms after upgrading from 2.0.13 
>to 2.1.
>
>Dan

Jeremy Butler
jbutler at ua.edu
========================================================
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From roland.krause at amd.com  Wed Feb 26 15:42:36 2003
From: roland.krause at amd.com (Roland Krause)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:42:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ??? Mailman in parallel on Unix and Linux ???
Message-ID: <030226154236.ZM19418@exter.amd.com>

Question:

Our Web server is a Linux box with Apache/1.3.23.
(Linux 2.4.18acl #16 SMP Fri Jul 5 13:40:24 CEST 2002 i686 unknown)

Our mail server is a unix machine
(SunOS 5.5.1 Generic_103640-28 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-60)

Is there any change to install mailman/2.1.1 and handle both systems?
(SunOS for incoming mails to mailing lists and Linux for Web GUI)

Thanks for any idea.
Roland

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           Senior CAD Design Engineer
Voice: (351) 277 6047 | FAX: (351) 277 9 6047   
AMD Saxony Limited Liability Company & Co. KG 
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From mitchell at cuip.net  Wed Feb 26 15:44:47 2003
From: mitchell at cuip.net (Mitchell Marks)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:44:47 -0600
Subject: Thanks, and a bit of a Mea Culpa too!   Re: [Mailman-Users]
  patch: fix line break in subject header
In-Reply-To: 
References: <3E5C1BC1.103@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030226082701.05ffbec0@cuip.uchicago.edu>

Thanks very much, the new patches make a big improvement!  I haven't yet 
looked at really long headers or particulars of the multi-line handling 
such as those Sumeet is commenting on, but it does clear up my main problem 
(and user's complaint) of a line break coming right after the list tag, and 
hiding the substantive subject matter from Eudora users.

The mea culpa: these patches didn't work until it occurred to me to try 
restarting mailmancntl (i.e. /etc/init.d/mailman).  I didn't do that with 
previous patches, either, so they might have made more difference than I 
thought at the time.

Actually, I don't really understand why a restart from mailmancntl should 
make any difference.  I thought it was something like the old qrunner that 
ran from crontab, and that each posting meant a new Python process which 
would see the new library files.  Is there some persistent Python process 
that needs to be made to reread the libraries??

Thanks again,

Mitch



At 11:49 PM 2/25/03, Sumeet wrote:
>So, now it does some strange spaceing and comes out like this note 
>different but existing spacing issues:
>Subject: [webmaster] this is a test this is a test this is a test this is a
>  test this  is a test this is a test this is a test this
>  is a test this is a test thi      s is a test this is a test
>  this is a test this is a test this is a test t his is a
>  test this is a test.
>
>
>I replaced Header.py by cping it and placing your file in 
>~mailman/pythonlib/email/ and running patch < headerpatch.diff which ran 
>successfully. thx, sumeet.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tokio Kikuchi" 
>To: 
>Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 5:43 PM
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] patch: fix line break in subject header
>
>
> > Folks,
> >
> > I've uploaded new patches to fix (hopefully) line break in subject.
> >
> > 1. patch to /pythonlib/email/Header.py
> > 
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=687338&group_id=25568&atid=384680
> > Header.py patch rev030226
> > 
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=25568&atid=384680&file_id=43480&aid=687338
> >
> > 2. patch to /Mailman/Handler/CookHeaders.py
> > 
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=601117&group_id=103&atid=300103
> > patch for mailman-2.1.1 rev030226
> > 
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=103&atid=300103&file_id=43479&aid=601117
> >
> >
> > Tokio
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
> > This message was sent to: sumeetp at hotmail.com
> > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/sumeetp%40hotmail.com
> >
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From ftnx at ksbase.com  Wed Feb 26 15:36:54 2003
From: ftnx at ksbase.com (Kari Suomela)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:36:54 -0500
Subject: [mailman-users] incorrect 'from'
Message-ID: <1046252375@ksbase>

I installed (seemingly successfully) v2.1, and set up all aliases as 
displayed at the end of the setup screen. All messages are coming from 
'-bounces', not from . What did I miss?

 KS

   KARICO Business Services
   Toronto, ON Canada
   http://www.karico.ca



From insider at screenwriter.com  Tue Feb 25 13:20:21 2003
From: insider at screenwriter.com (Screenwriters Online)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 04:20:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderation flag and version 2.0
Message-ID: 

   "Turn on the moderation flag for all your existing users.  Go to the
   membership management page, and use the Additional Member Tasks to
   turn on the mod flag for all users."

I'm trying to turn off the post to list header in the email.

I have not found moderation flag in membership management page in version 2.0

Is it there?

I could not find additional member tasks. in v 2.0 , is it there?

Would some one kindly tell me how to make a
newsletter/announce only list in Mailman Ver 2.0?

thanks in advance

Tony


From andras at barthazi.hu  Tue Feb 25 18:25:06 2003
From: andras at barthazi.hu (=?iso-8859-2?B?QsFSVEjBWkkgQW5kcuFz?=)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:25:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1 message footer problem
Message-ID: <00d601c2dcf2$df024720$6300a8c0@hplaptop>

Hello!

I've installed mailman 2.1, and I have a problem. I've posted it into
the FAQ:

----
3.19. How do I prevent Mailman to attach signs when the mail body is not
ASCII?
When I send a letter to a Mailman 2.1 mailserver, and the body of the
mail contains non-ASCII characters, the sign I set for the list comes in
attachment. The sign just contains ASCII characters. How do I enforce
Mailman no to attach the sign, but to send it in the body? 
----

Actually, the invers case has the same problem: when the body of the
mail is in US-ASCII, and the footer contains ISO-8859-2 charaters, then
it will come as an attachment.

Can you help me? If it's a list, then I'm not the member of it, please
use cc for answers.

Thanks,
  Andras

---------------------------------------------
 >(@) WiSH iNTERNET Consulting | www.wish.hu




From Patrick.Callahan at epeople.com  Tue Feb 25 23:13:30 2003
From: Patrick.Callahan at epeople.com (Patrick Callahan)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:13:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman question
Message-ID: <3AFA89415D867A4C98808227A0ED53AD0592EFC9@zombie.epeople.com>

Hi guys, 
I'm trying to figure out if I can set the admin options on mailman through
email?  My hosting provider's mailman config is a bit choked up and isn't
generating the html admin pages correctly, but it seems that the list may
actually be working anyway, so I was wondering whether i could set it up via
email at all.

Thanks,
-pat

Patrick Callahan
Quality Manager
Y! id: ep_patrick


From matthew.walker at knowledgepool.com  Wed Feb 26 18:21:09 2003
From: matthew.walker at knowledgepool.com (Walker Matthew)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:21:09 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM Commands Question
Message-ID: <6A345CB6C1398A428FAF3AFCF5433EE74086D7@kpbrisemail1>

Hello,

A quick (and I hope easy) question. On my mailing list home page I'd like to
have some thing like "Welcome to the mailing list there are currently XXX
members" where XXX is the current number of subscribers. Is there a way I
can do this using the MM-???-??? Commands? 

Thanks In Advance,

Mat


From lwarden at illinois.net  Wed Feb 26 18:23:29 2003
From: lwarden at illinois.net (Les Warden)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:23:29 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ssl connect to admin link
Message-ID: <007b01c2ddbb$c8030860$ad60a6ce@linc2icn.net>

Currently I'm running version 2.0.13. It all seems to work fine. I would
like the URL for accessing the ADMIN link to be ssl enabled (i.e. https://
and NOT http://). The public link being http:// is fine. Does anyone know
any easy way to get this accomplished?  Thanks in advance.  --les



From kpmiller at tyler.net  Tue Feb 25 17:59:09 2003
From: kpmiller at tyler.net (Kelly Miller)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:59:09 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Mailman
Message-ID: <013001c2dcef$36ab84e0$6501a8c0@desktop>

Sirs,
 
Please e-mail me back and let me know if you can help with tech support
for the Mailman program.  I have getting "cron" errors on my Solaris
server and the web hosting company suggests that I contact you guys for
help.  If this is the correct e-mail address for tech support, I will
forward you the error messages I am receiving.
 
Thank you very much,
 
Kelly Miller
Webmasters of East Texas
903-939-0466
 

From rcohen at fas.harvard.edu  Tue Feb 25 20:14:09 2003
From: rcohen at fas.harvard.edu (Bob Cohen)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:14:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listserv Digest Formatting
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030225141204.04d56950@imap.fas.harvard.edu>

I am looking for a fix to a problem with Digest-member formatting. I've 
tried both "Plain" and "Mime" formats and the digest still comes out 
scrambled (see below). What should I do?

>Judy,
>
>I changed the Digest-member format selection from  "Plain" to "Mime" which 
>has made some small improvements, but it is still not very readable (see 
>sample below). If we are going to continue relying on listervs as a means 
>of communicating with students, it is really important that we get this 
>fixed. Thanks!!
>
>Bob
>
>
>>
>>>>
>>>>>Today's Topics:
>>>>>
>>>>>    1. =?iso-8859-1?Q?=93Collaborative_Networking:_How_to_Develop_?=
>>>>>        Your =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Personal_Board_of_Directors=94,_March_3?= 
>>>>> (Bob
>>>>Cohen)
>>>>
>>>>>2. INFORMATION SESSION: Global Internship Program in consulting
>>>>>        and IT (Bob Cohen)
>>>>>
>>>>>-- __--__--
>>>>>Message: 1
>>>>>Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 10:20:07 -0500
>>>>>To: ocsbusiness-list at fas.harvard.edu
>>>>>From: Bob Cohen 
>>>>>Subject: [ocsbusiness-list]
>>>>=?iso-8859-1?Q?=93Collaborative_Networking:_How_to_Develop_?=
>>>>>Your =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Personal_Board_of_Directors=94,_March_3?=
>>>>>
>>>>>--=====================_3967705==_.ALT
>>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed
>>>>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 15:31:58 -0500
>>>>>>From: "Leslie Ament-Ruder" 
>>>>>>Subject: EVENT ANNOUNCEMENT MARCH 3RD 2003
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please post, publish and distribute to your readership.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jewish Technology Business Network (JTBN) Presents:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>=93Collaborative Networking: How to Develop Your Personal Board of=
>>>>>Directors=94
>>>>>
>>>>>>Today=92s challenging economy combined with a tight job market has
>>>>created=
>>>>>the
>>>>>>need for individuals and organizations alike to find new ways to manage
>>>>>>their careers as well as to grow their businesses.  Come =93Workshop=94=
>>>>>with us
>>>>>>and discover how successful professionals cultivate and develop a
>>>>personal
>>>>>>=93Board of Directors=94-- A collaborative group dedicated to each
>>>>member=
>>>>>=92s
>>>>>>success.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When:      Monday, March 3rd from 6:30 =AD 9:30
>>>>>>Where:     Temple Israel, 145 Hartford St., Natick, MA
>>>>>>Register:  @ www.jtbn.org
>>>>>>Cost:  $15 for JTBN members/ $25 for non-members
>>>>>>Become a JTBN member; $54 membership from now until 2004
>>>>>>Register for this event  @ www.jtbn.org By February 26th, 2003
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Workshop Leaders:
>>>>>>Edward Shulkin, FCG, PCMA, IACMP, Founder, MEANT2B UNLIMITED
>>>>>>Ed Shulkin is a trained, certified, and experienced coach with 
>>>>>>decades of
>>>>>>expertise that enables him to facilitate positive change that impacts
>>>>>>clients and stakeholders alike.  Using a combination of
>>>>=93adventure-based=
>>>>>=94
>>>>>>training and coaching Meant2Be Unlimited has assisted senior executives,
>>>>>>entrepreneurs, and corporate teams from industries as diverse as retail,
>>>>>>real estate, technology, financial services, consumer products and
>>>>>>professional services industries.  Companies such as Linens N Things,
>>>>>>Thomson Financial, State Street Bank and The Holmes have all turned to
>>>>Mr.
>>>>>>Shulkin for his expertise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ed holds a B.S. from Babson College and certification from the=
>>>>>International
>>>>>>Coach Federation (ICF).  He is also an active member of the 
>>>>>>International
>>>>>>Association of Career Management Professionals (IACMP), Professional
>>>>Coach=
>>>>>&
>>>>>>Mentor Association (PCMA) and a lifelong learner. He is on the Board of=
>>>>>JTBN
>>>>>>where he assists with Temple relations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jean DiGiovanna, CPCC, Founder, ThinkPeople, Playground for Shifting=
>>>>>Reality
>>>>>>Ms. DiGiovanna is a powerful coach, speaker, communicator and
>>>>facilitator.
>>>>>>Guided by Ms DiGionvanna=92s expertise in =93adventure-based=94 and=
>>>>>=93experiential=94
>>>>>>learning, business leaders and their teams are empowered with skills
>>>>>>necessary to enhance group communication, trust and productivity while
>>>>>>having fun.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Executives and project teams at organizations such as Viant Corporation,
>>>>>>Net.Genesis, EggRock Partners, EC Cubed, Manulife Financial, Boston
>>>>>>Consulting Group, and Akibia have all turned to ThinkPeople for results
>>>>in
>>>>>>minimizing conflicts and barriers, enhancing communication, increasing
>>>>>>employee(s) effectiveness, and enabling groups to work together more
>>>>>>productively.  In her role as a facilitator she excels in =93The Art of
>>>>>>Leading a Group to a Common Goal=94.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Prior to founding ThinkPeople, Jean served as the Business Operations
>>>>>>Manager for Cambridge Technology Partners (now Novell), initiating a
>>>>>>directive on change management at CTP worldwide to address cultural
>>>>change
>>>>>>and rapid integration of employees. Her background in technology,
>>>>designing
>>>>>>IT Systems and Strategic Consulting allowed for a smooth transition from
>>>>>>technology to supporting and serving technologists through coaching and
>>>>>>facilitation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ms. DiGiovanna is a Certified Professional Coach (C.P.C.C), received her
>>>>>>training through the Coaches Training Institute (CTI), serves as
>>>>co-chair=
>>>>>of
>>>>>>the membership committee of the International Coach Federation (ICF) and
>>>>is
>>>>>>a board member of the Boston Women=92s Network (BWN), where she serves
>>>>as=
>>>>>the
>>>>>>Community Relations Liaison.
>>>>>>(continued on page 2.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>ABOUT THE COMPANIES:
>>>>>>MEANT2B UNLIMITED:
>>>>>>Meant2Bunlimited helps individuals and teams learn to master the ability
>>>>to
>>>>>>consistently produce the results they want in life with a sense of
>>>>>>fulfillment, purpose and well-being.  Clients are empowered to develop
>>>>>>techniques and habits that will always be there to draw upon long after
>>>>>>initial coaching work is done.  Email: meant2bunltd at aol.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>THINKPEOPLE:
>>>>>>ThinkPeople acts as a catalyst for change, challenging the way
>>>>>>organizations, teams and individuals think in order to increase=
>>>>>productivity
>>>>>>and effectiveness. Through workshops, coaching, group facilitation,
>>>>>>adventure-based learning and professional skills training, ThinkPeople
>>>>>>facilitates deliberation beyond the predictable so that clients develop
>>>>>>innovative ways of thinking in line with their vision and commitments.
>>>>>>ThinkPeople=92s business philosophy focuses on shaping winning teams and
>>>>>>partnering with clients to create, execute and deliver results with
>>>>>>integrity. Visit WWW.ThinkPeople.com, email: Info at ThinkPeople.com.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sponsored by:
>>>>>>DGA Corporation 
>>>>>>http://www.affordablecrm.com is a 
>>>>>>consulting firm
>>>>dedicated
>>>>>>to delivering successful Customer Relationship Management (CRM) and 
>>>>>>Sales
>>>>>>Force Automation (SFA) solutions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Telesian Technology, www.telesian.com, Telesian is a Marketing, Web and
>>>>>>eBusiness Company.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>MEANT2B UNLIMITED:
>>>>>>Meant2B Unlimited works to help individuals and teams learn how to 
>>>>>>master
>>>>>>the ability to consistently produce the results they want in life with a
>>>>>>sense of fulfillment, purpose and well-being.  Email:
>>>>Meant2Bunltd at aol.com
>>>>>
>>>>>>Media Relations donated by:
>>>>>>Hypatia Marketing & Communications, Calculating ResultsTM
>>>>>>Leslie Ament-Ruder, Founder & Partner
>>>>>>617-230-0067
>>>>>>Info at HypatiaCommunications.com
>>>>>
>>>>>To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the=20
>>>>>OCSBusiness-List Archives
>>>>>To post a message to all the list members, send email to=20
>>>>>ocsbusiness-list at fas.harvard.edu
>>>>>To unsubscribe change your existing subscription, go to=20
>>>>>http://www.fas.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/ocsbusiness-list 
>>>>>
>>>>>For resources about career planning, business careers, employer and=20
>>>>>industry research, business school, career tools, and the job search, go
>>>>to=
>>>>>=20
>>>>>www.ocs.fas.harvard.edu/resources/Business/index.htm
>>>>>--=====================_3967705==_.ALT
>>>>>Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 15:31:58
>>>>>-0500

>>>>>From: "Leslie Ament-Ruder"
>>>>><lament-ruder at worldnet.att.net>

>>>>>Subject: EVENT ANNOUNCEMENT MARCH 3RD 2003


>>>>>Please post, publish and distribute to your readership.


>>>>>Jewish Technology Business Network (JTBN) Presents:


>>>>>=93Collaborative Networking: How to Develop Your Personal Board of
>>>>>Directors=94


>>>>>Today=92s challenging economy combined with a tight job market has 
>>>>>created
>>>>>the

>>>>>need for individuals and organizations alike to find new ways to
>>>>>manage

>>>>>their careers as well as to grow their businesses.  Come 
>>>>>=93Workshop=94 with us

>>>>>and discover how successful professionals cultivate and develop a
>>>>>personal

>>>>>=93Board of Directors=94-- A collaborative group dedicated to each
>>>>>member=92s

>>>>>success.


>>>>>When:      Monday, March 3rd from 6:30 =AD
>>>>>9:30

>>>>>Where:     Temple Israel, 145 Hartford St., Natick,
>>>>>MA

>>>>>Register:  @
>>>>>http://www.jtbn.org/" 
>>>>>eudora=3D"autourl">www.jtbn.org

>>>>>Cost:  $15 for JTBN members/ $25 for non-members

>>>>>Become a JTBN member; $54 membership from now until 2004

>>>>>Register for this event  @
>>>>>http://www.jtbn.org=A0/" 
>>>>>eudora=3D"autourl">www.jtbn.org 
>>>>By
>>>>>February 26th, 2003


>>>>>Workshop Leaders:

>>>>>Edward Shulkin, FCG, PCMA, IACMP, Founder, MEANT2B UNLIMITED

>>>>>Ed Shulkin is a trained, certified, and experienced coach with decades
>>>>>of

>>>>>expertise that enables him to facilitate positive change that
>>>>>impacts

>>>>>clients and stakeholders alike.  Using a combination of 
>>>>>=93adventure-based=94

>>>>>training and coaching Meant2Be Unlimited has assisted senior
>>>>>executives,

>>>>>entrepreneurs, and corporate teams from industries as diverse as
>>>>>retail,

>>>>>real estate, technology, financial services, consumer products and

>>>>>professional services industries.  Companies such as Linens N
>>>>>Things,

>>>>>Thomson Financial, State Street Bank and The Holmes have all turned to
>>>>>Mr.

>>>>>Shulkin for his expertise.


>>>>>Ed holds a B.S. from Babson College and certification from the
>>>>>International

>>>>>Coach Federation (ICF).  He is also an active member of the
>>>>>International

>>>>>Association of Career Management Professionals (IACMP), Professional
>>>>>Coach &

>>>>>Mentor Association (PCMA) and a lifelong learner. He is on the Board of
>>>>>JTBN

>>>>>where he assists with Temple relations.


>>>>>Jean DiGiovanna, CPCC, Founder, ThinkPeople, Playground for Shifting
>>>>>Reality

>>>>>Ms. DiGiovanna is a powerful coach, speaker, communicator and
>>>>>facilitator.

>>>>>Guided by Ms DiGionvanna=92s expertise in =93adventure-based=94 and
>>>>>=93experiential=94

>>>>>learning, business leaders and their teams are empowered with=20
>>>>>skills

>>>>>necessary to enhance group communication, trust and productivity
>>>>>while

>>>>>having fun.


>>>>>Executives and project teams at organizations such as Viant
>>>>>Corporation,

>>>>>Net.Genesis, EggRock Partners, EC Cubed, Manulife Financial, Boston

>>>>>Consulting Group, and Akibia have all turned to ThinkPeople for results
>>>>>in

>>>>>minimizing conflicts and barriers, enhancing communication,
>>>>>increasing

>>>>>employee(s) effectiveness, and enabling groups to work together=20
>>>>>more

>>>>>productively.  In her role as a facilitator she excels in =93The Art
>>>>>of

>>>>>Leading a Group to a Common Goal=94.


>>>>>Prior to founding ThinkPeople, Jean served as the Business
>>>>>Operations

>>>>>Manager for Cambridge Technology Partners (now Novell), initiating=20
>>>>>a

>>>>>directive on change management at CTP worldwide to address cultural
>>>>>change

>>>>>and rapid integration of employees. Her background in technology,
>>>>>designing

>>>>>IT Systems and Strategic Consulting allowed for a smooth transition
>>>>>from

>>>>>technology to supporting and serving technologists through coaching
>>>>>and

>>>>>facilitation.


>>>>>Ms. DiGiovanna is a Certified Professional Coach (C.P.C.C), received
>>>>>her

>>>>>training through the Coaches Training Institute (CTI), serves as co-chair
>>>>>of

>>>>>the membership committee of the International Coach Federation (ICF) and
>>>>>is

>>>>>a board member of the Boston Women=92s Network (BWN), where she serves as
>>>>>the

>>>>>Community Relations Liaison.

>>>>>(continued on page 2.)


>>>>>ABOUT THE COMPANIES:

>>>>>MEANT2B UNLIMITED:

>>>>>Meant2Bunlimited helps individuals and teams learn to master the ability
>>>>>to

>>>>>consistently produce the results they want in life with a sense of

>>>>>fulfillment, purpose and well-being.  Clients are empowered to
>>>>>develop

>>>>>techniques and habits that will always be there to draw upon long
>>>>>after

>>>>>initial coaching work is done.  Email:=20
>>>>>meant2bunltd at aol.com


>>>>>THINKPEOPLE:

>>>>>ThinkPeople acts as a catalyst for change, challenging the way

>>>>>organizations, teams and individuals think in order to increase
>>>>>productivity

>>>>>and effectiveness. Through workshops, coaching, group facilitation,

>>>>>adventure-based learning and professional skills training,
>>>>>ThinkPeople

>>>>>facilitates deliberation beyond the predictable so that clients
>>>>>develop

>>>>>innovative ways of thinking in line with their vision and
>>>>>commitments.

>>>>>ThinkPeople=92s business philosophy focuses on shaping winning teams
>>>>>and

>>>>>partnering with clients to create, execute and deliver results with

>>>>>integrity. Visit
>>>>>http://www.thinkpeople.com/"
>>>>eudora=3D"autourl">WWW.ThinkPeople.c=
>>>>>om,
>>>>>email: Info at ThinkPeople.com.

>>>>>

>>>>>Sponsored by:

>>>>>DGA Corporation
>>>>>http://www.affordablecrm.com/"
>>>>eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.affo=
>>>>>rdablecrm.com
>>>>>is a consulting firm dedicated

>>>>>to delivering successful Customer Relationship Management (CRM) and=
>>>>>Sales

>>>>>Force Automation (SFA) solutions.


>>>>>Telesian Technology, >>>>href=3D"http://www.telesian.com/"=
>>>>>eudora=3D"autourl">www.telesian.com, Telesian is a Marketing, Web=
>>>>>and

>>>>>eBusiness Company.


>>>>>MEANT2B UNLIMITED:

>>>>>Meant2B Unlimited works to help individuals and teams learn how to=
>>>>>master

>>>>>the ability to consistently produce the results they want in life with
>>>>a

>>>>>sense of fulfillment, purpose and well-being.  Email:=
>>>>>Meant2Bunltd at aol.com


>>>>>Media Relations donated by:

>>>>>Hypatia Marketing & Communications, Calculating ResultsTM

>>>>>Leslie Ament-Ruder, Founder & Partner

>>>>>617-230-0067

>>>>>Info at HypatiaCommunications.com

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the >>>>color=3D"#0000FF">OCSBusiness-List Archives 

>>>>>To post a message to all the list members, send email to >>>>color=3D"#0000FF">ocsbusiness-list at fas.harvard.edu

>>>>>To unsubscribe change your existing subscription, go to 
>>>>>>>>>href=3D"http://www.fas.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/ocsbusiness-list"= 
>>>>>
>>>>eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.fas.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/ocsbusine= 
>>>>
>>>>>ss-list

>>>>>For resources about career planning, business careers, employer and=
>>>>>industry research, business school, career tools, and the job search, go
>>>>to=
>>>><
>>>>>a 
>>>>>href=3D"http://www.ocs.fas.harvard.edu/resources/Business/index.htm" 
>>>>>
>>>>eud=
>>>>
>>>>ora=3D"autourl">www.ocs.fas.harvard.edu/resources/Business/index.htm< 
>>>>
>>>>=
>>>>>/b>
>>>>>
>>>>>--=====================_3967705==_.ALT--
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-- __--__--
>>>>>Message: 2
>>>>>Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:09:59 -0500
>>>>>To: ocsbusiness-list at fas.harvard.edu
>>>>>From: Bob Cohen 
>>>>>Subject: [ocsbusiness-list] INFORMATION SESSION: Global Internship 
>>>>>Program
>>>>in consulting
>>>>>and IT
>>>>>
>>>>>--=====================_10559583==_.ALT
>>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Infosys Technologies Limited, a consulting and information technology
>>>>>>company based in Bangalore, India is looking for a Harvard undergraduate
>>>>>>to join their Global Internship Program, InStep. InStep interns gain
>>>>>>first-hand experience while working on business and technical 
>>>>>>projects at
>>>>>>InfoSys offices worldwide. An internship typically lasts 8 weeks, with a
>>>>>>flexible start time. Infosys provides a monthly stipend, round-trip
>>>>>>airfare, food (breakfast and lunch), fully furnished housing, and
>>>>>>transportation within the city. For more information on the program and
>>>>>>how to apply, visit 
>>>>>>http://www.infosys.com/instepweb/default.htm 
>>>>>>An
>>>>>>information session will be held on campus on Thursday, February 20, 
>>>>>>2003
>>>>>>from 2:00-3:00 pm in the OCS Conference Room.
>>>>>
>>>>>To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the
>>>>>OCSBusiness-List Archives
>>>>>To post a message to all the list members, send email to
>>>>>ocsbusiness-list at fas.harvard.edu
>>>>>To unsubscribe change your existing subscription, go to
>>>>>http://www.fas.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/ocsbusiness-list 
>>>>>
>>>>>For resources about career planning, business careers, employer and
>>>>>industry research, business school, career tools, and the job search, go
>>>>to
>>>>>www.ocs.fas.harvard.edu/resources/Business/index.htm
>>>>>--=====================_10559583==_.ALT
>>>>>Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
Infosys
>>>>>Technologies Limited, a consulting and information technology company
>>>>>based in Bangalore, India is looking for a Harvard undergraduate to join
>>>>>their Global Internship Program, InStep. InStep interns gain first-hand
>>>>>experience while working on business and technical projects at InfoSys
>>>>>offices worldwide. An internship typically lasts 8 weeks, with a flexible
>>>>>start time. Infosys provides a monthly stipend, round-trip airfare, food
>>>>>(breakfast and lunch), fully furnished housing, and transportation within
>>>>>the city. For more information on the program and how to apply, visit
>>>>>>>>>href=3D"http://www.infosys.com/instepweb/default.htm%A0"= 
>>>>>
>>>>>eudora=3D"autourl">>>>color=3D"#0000FF">http://www.infosys.com/instepweb/default.htm>>>
>>>>>font>>>>>href=3D"http://www.infosys.com/instepweb/default.htm%A0"= 
>>>>>
>>>>>eudora=3D"autourl">
>>>>> An information session will be held on campus on Thursday,
>>>>>February 20, 2003 from 2:00-3:00 pm in the OCS Conference Room. 

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the
>>>>>OCSBusiness-List Archives
>>>>>

>>>>>To post a message to all the list members, send email to >>>>color=3D"#0000FF">ocsbusiness-list at fas.harvard.edu

>>>>>To unsubscribe change your existing subscription, go to 
>>>>>>>>>href=3D"http://www.fas.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/ocsbusiness-list"= 
>>>>>
>>>>eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.fas.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/ocsbusine= 
>>>>
>>>>>ss-list

>>>>>For resources about career planning, business careers, employer and=
>>>>>industry research, business school, career tools, and the job search, go
>>>>to=
>>>><
>>>>>a 
>>>>>href=3D"http://www.ocs.fas.harvard.edu/resources/Business/index.htm" 
>>>>>
>>>>eud=
>>>>
>>>>ora=3D"autourl">www.ocs.fas.harvard.edu/resources/Business/index.htm< 
>>>>
>>>>=
>>>>>/b>
>>>>>
>>>>>--=====================_10559583==_.ALT--
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-- __--__--
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>OCSBusiness-List mailing list
>>>>>OCSBusiness-List at fas.harvard.edu
>>>>>http://www.fas.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/ocsbusiness-list 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>End of OCSBusiness-List Digest
>>>
>>>**********************
>>>Robert M. Cohen, Assistant Director
>>>Harvard University
>>>Faculty of Arts and Sciences
>>>Office of Career Services
>>>54 Dunster Street
>>>Cambridge, MA  02138
>>>(617) 495-2595 phone
>>>(617) 495-3584 fax
>>>rcohen at fas.harvard.edu
>>>www.ocs.fas.harvard.edu
>>
>>
>>
>>On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 09:42  AM, Bob Cohen wrote:
>>
>>>Have you noticed any changes to the digest format?
>>>
>>>At 07:58 PM 2/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>>
>>>To: List administrator
>>>
>>>I have been experiencing the same problems reported to you by the other 
>>>student. In spite of the very interesting content of the list, it is 
>>>very hard to read the messages.
>>>
>>>Try sending the messages in plain text format.
>>>
>>>Sincerely,
>>>
>>>Victor V. Bicalho
>>>
>>>
>>>A student sent us a message that the formatting for messages sent in
>>>DIGEST form has scrambled text in them (see below). Please respond by
>>>2/21/03 about whether you have had a similar experience. Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Victor Valadao Bicalho
>>>--------------------------------
>>>bicalho at fas.harvard.edu
>>>Harvard Men's Swimming and Diving - HMSD 2006
>>>Hurlbut  # 301
>>>Telephone:  (617) 493 7322
>>>Cellphone:   (617) 821 3684
>>>1114 Harvard Yard Mail Center
>>>02138 Cambridge, MA.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>**********************
>>>Robert M. Cohen, Assistant Director
>>>Harvard University
>>>Faculty of Arts and Sciences
>>>Office of Career Services
>>>54 Dunster Street
>>>Cambridge, MA  02138
>>>(617) 495-2595 phone
>>>(617) 495-3584 fax
>>>rcohen at fas.harvard.edu
>>>www.ocs.fas.harvard.edu
>>
>
>**********************
>Robert M. Cohen, Assistant Director
>Harvard University
>Faculty of Arts and Sciences
>Office of Career Services
>54 Dunster Street
>Cambridge, MA  02138
>(617) 495-2595 phone
>(617) 495-3584 fax
>rcohen at fas.harvard.edu
>www.ocs.fas.harvard.edu

**********************
Robert M. Cohen, Assistant Director
Harvard University
Faculty of Arts and Sciences
Office of Career Services
54 Dunster Street
Cambridge, MA  02138
(617) 495-2595 phone
(617) 495-3584 fax
rcohen at fas.harvard.edu
www.ocs.fas.harvard.edu


From rostyk at cd.lvivnet.com  Tue Feb 25 21:19:06 2003
From: rostyk at cd.lvivnet.com (Rostyk Ivantsiv)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:19:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists: problems when unsubscribing
Message-ID: <18094221192.20030225221906@cd.lvivnet.com>

Hello!
      Need some help with umbrella lists (I think it was discussed
      earlier in the list but it is not covered in the umbrella faq):

      For example I have an umbrella list U, which has members - the
      email addresses of other lists - A, B, C. I configured A, B, C
      to receive mail from U without moderation (privacy options), so
      everything works ok. Now consider some userA, who is a member of
      A sublist, wants to unsubscribe, so he sends mail with
      subj="unsubscribe" to U-request at mylistserver.com and gets a
      response that he is not a member of U!!!

      This problem can be solved by providing the necessary email
      addresses in the footers of every sublist: