From tech at kennedy.edu.hk Mon Dec 1 02:54:22 2003 From: tech at kennedy.edu.hk (Damar Thapa, ICT Technician) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:54:22 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I prevent all members, except list manager, from sending mail to the list?? Message-ID: <012401c3b7ae$0af903f0$e601000a@ICTTECH> Hi, I am planning to use mailman simply to inform the website update to the members, so that the members should not be able to send mail to the list address. Can I do this? Regards, Damar Thapa ICT Technician, Kennedy School _________________________________________________ From soob at macosx.com Mon Dec 1 04:28:02 2003 From: soob at macosx.com (Jim McCarty) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:28:02 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I prevent all members, except list manager, from sending mail to the list?? In-Reply-To: <012401c3b7ae$0af903f0$e601000a@ICTTECH> References: <012401c3b7ae$0af903f0$e601000a@ICTTECH> Message-ID: <5EB9D94C-23AE-11D8-960F-0003938ADBC6@macosx.com> On Nov 30, 2003, at 5:54 PM, Damar Thapa, ICT Technician wrote: > I am planning to use mailman simply to inform the website update to > the members, so that the members should not be able to send mail to > the list address. > > Can I do this? yes -- "Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again." - Franklin P. Jones From mail at schoeppi.net Mon Dec 1 12:31:55 2003 From: mail at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:31:55 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personalisation Message-ID: <20031201113154.GA4257@master> Hi! What do I have to set in mm_cfg-py to enable personalisation by default for new lists (not full personalisation). In listconfigs i saw, that personalize = 1 would be the thing to set, but is it possible to use this setting in mm_cfg.py? Thanks! Schoeppi -- Christian Schoepplein | Beste Rockband der Welt: http://www.lily-rockt.de mail at schoeppi.net | Linux fuer Blinde: http://www.blinux.suse.de From johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Mon Dec 1 13:33:40 2003 From: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu (Chris Johnson) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 07:33:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin fuction discard not working. Message-ID: Hi, running Mailman v 2.1-8 here on rh7.3 w/ python 1.5.2-43.73. Simply, the Discard function on the list admin page isn't working. As I understand the process, I click on Discard and th Submit all and it's supoosed to dump the message or messages. Ain't happenin'. Message is still being held and won't go away. Would very much like to get ride of this message so the now annoying alert notices that tell mail daily there is a held message in the queue is still there would stop. Help appreciated. Tnx. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 149 (2301) 13th Street |I'm continually amazed by mankind's seemingly Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA |infinite capacity for stupidity. Me ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From robyn at cornel.hu Mon Dec 1 19:11:32 2003 From: robyn at cornel.hu (=?iso-8859-2?Q?L=E1nyi_R=F3bert?=) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:11:32 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] archives url problem Message-ID: <36894.195.228.78.254.1070302292.squirrel@cornel.hu> Hi! I've successfully installed Mailman-2.1.3 for the first time, everything works fine, only one thing doesn't: when I try to get my list's private archives, after entering email address and password, the links (thread, subject etc.) are pointing to invalid addresses: the list's name parts are missing. For example, instead of the correct url (http://some-host/mailman/private/listname/2003-November.txt) an incorrect one is shown (http://some-host/mailman/private/2003-November.txt). Please help me solving this problem Thx Robyn From evan at iddwebs.com Mon Dec 1 05:35:35 2003 From: evan at iddwebs.com (Evan M. Dechtman) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:35:35 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Subject commands Message-ID: <5955B503933ED848879DD9C8DBC2757204A212@chieftain.iddwebs.local> I have recently installed Mailman 2.1 and cannot find the Email subject commands to subscribe and unscribes etc...can you help out? Thanks, Evan From C.Zimmermann at virtuelle-apotheke.de Mon Dec 1 08:34:12 2003 From: C.Zimmermann at virtuelle-apotheke.de (Zimmermann Christian) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 08:34:12 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman wont send mail Message-ID: Hello to all, I?m new to this list. I have a problem with mailman and postfix. I set up mailman out of the box on my suse 8.2 system. I have made the changes in my httpd.conf and createt a new list called gfn-nasen. The needed entries In my /etc/aliases are also there- I think so. gfn-nasen: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post gfn-nasen" gfn-nasen-admin: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin gfn-nasen" gfn-nasen-bounces: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces gfn-nasen" gfn-nasen-confirm: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm gfn-nasen" gfn-nasen-join: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join gfn-nasen" gfn-nasen-leave: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave gfn-nasen" gfn-nasen-owner: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner gfn-nasen" gfn-nasen-request: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request gfn-nasen" gfn-nasen-subscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe gfn-nasen" gfn-nasen-unsubscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe gfn-nasen" When I send a mail to gfn-nasen-request at mail.virtuelle-apotheke.de the mail is accepted by my postfix server. Dec 1 08:22:48 service postfix/smtpd[9718]: connect from pop.gmx.net[213.165.64.20] Dec 1 08:22:48 service postfix/smtpd[9718]: B28653A5A0: client=pop.gmx.net[213.165.64.20] Dec 1 08:22:48 service postfix/cleanup[9728]: B28653A5A0: message-id=<17059.1070262968 at www30.gmx.net> Dec 1 08:22:48 service postfix/qmgr[9648]: B28653A5A0: from=, size=811, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Dec 1 08:22:49 service postfix/smtpd[9718]: disconnect from pop.gmx.net[213.165.64.20] Dec 1 08:23:06 service postfix/pickup[9647]: BAC0B3B44A: uid=501 from= Dec 1 08:23:06 service postfix/cleanup[9720]: BAC0B3B44A: message-id=<17059.1070262968 at www30.gmx.net> Dec 1 08:23:06 service postfix/pipe[9721]: B28653A5A0: to=, relay=filter, delay=18, status=sent (dummy) Dec 1 08:23:06 service postfix/qmgr[9648]: BAC0B3B44A: from=, size=1146, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Dec 1 08:23:07 service amavis[9755]: starting. amavis 0.3.12pre8 Mon Mar 17 18:52:54 UTC 2003 Dec 1 08:23:07 service postfix/smtpd[9735]: connect from localhost[127.0.0.1] Dec 1 08:23:07 service postfix/smtpd[9735]: 9437C3B453: client=localhost[127.0.0.1] Dec 1 08:23:07 service postfix/cleanup[9728]: 9437C3B453: message-id=<17059.1070262968 at www30.gmx.net> Dec 1 08:23:07 service postfix/qmgr[9648]: 9437C3B453: from=, size=1402, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Dec 1 08:23:07 service postfix/smtpd[9735]: disconnect from localhost[127.0.0.1] Dec 1 08:23:07 service postfix/pipe[9730]: BAC0B3B44A: to=, relay=vscan, delay=1, status=sent (mail.virtuelle-apotheke.de) Dec 1 08:23:07 service postfix/local[9759]: 9437C3B453: to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent ("|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request gfn-nasen") But after that nothing happens anymore. Mailman doesent answer :-(. Even when I invite someone from the webinterface Mailman says "you successfully invited user at host.de " but I get no mail, and can?t see anything in the logfile. Does anyone know where the mistake is? Sorry for my english, I?m german sorry for that to ;) TIA Christian Mit freundlichen Gr??en Christian Zimmermann _\|/_ (@ @) -----oOOo-(_)-oOOo----- VitaNet GmbH Industriestr. 50b 69190 Walldorf Tel: 06227-35676961 Fax:06227-3567989 www.virtuelle-apotheke.de c.zimmermann at virtuelle-apotheke.de From gagel at cnc.bc.ca Mon Dec 1 19:17:52 2003 From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (gagel at cnc.bc.ca) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 10:17:52 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator bit Message-ID: <3fcb85d0.ac.7ac.25023@cnc.bc.ca> I have a set my site to default all new members of any list to be moderated. One list wants it set off by default and has manually switched each subscriber's mod bit to off. But it still requires the subcribers messages to be aproved. Whats going on with that? ==================== Kevin W. Gagel Network Administrator (250) 561-5848 local 448 (250) 562-2131 local 448 -------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. -------------------------------------------------------------- From donovan at beth.k12.pa.us Mon Dec 1 19:28:05 2003 From: donovan at beth.k12.pa.us (donovan) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:28:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] server hostname in List address? Message-ID: <1AC52B52-242C-11D8-821A-0003930B42FC@beth.k12.pa.us> Greetings How can i create a list with out having the hostname of the server displayed in the list? example: I create a new list and it shows up as " newlist at server1.mydomain.com " How can i get it to create newlist at mydomain.com by default? I am using OSX 10.3.1 TIA --jeff From hogsett at csl.sri.com Mon Dec 1 20:01:14 2003 From: hogsett at csl.sri.com (Mike Hogsett) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 11:01:14 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella Lists Message-ID: <200312011901.hB1J1EuK032260@quarter.csl.sri.com> I am currently installing Mailman as a replacement for majordomo. Mostly everything is going smoothly. I have a question regarding umbrella lists. I have 4 "real" mailing lists and 5 aliases that redirect to some or all of these lists. For the sake of explanation let's call the "real" lists : A-staff A-vis B-staff B-vis The 5 aliases are (and send to -> ) all -> A-staff, B-staff, A-vis, B-vis all-staff -> A-staff, B-staff all-vis -> A-vis, B-vis A-all -> A-staff, A-vis B-all -> B-staff, B-vis The 4 "real" lists are all moderated due to increasing spam and forged addresses. The problem: If a message goes to one of the aliases then the message must be moderated at-least twice or at worst four times. I would like to moderate a message once. What solutions are available? Are there solutions entirely within the scope of Mailman? I have instrumented a solution using umbrella lists (for the aliases) and some clever procmail rules, but would like to know what others have done in similar situations. Thanks, Michael Hogsett From hogsett at csl.sri.com Mon Dec 1 20:07:48 2003 From: hogsett at csl.sri.com (Mike Hogsett) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 11:07:48 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator bit In-Reply-To: Message from gagel@cnc.bc.ca of "Mon, 01 Dec 2003 10:17:52 PST." <3fcb85d0.ac.7ac.25023@cnc.bc.ca> Message-ID: <200312011907.hB1J7muK000520@quarter.csl.sri.com> > I have a set my site to default all new members of any list to be > moderated. One list wants it set off by default and has manually > switched each subscriber's mod bit to off. But it still requires the > subcribers messages to be aproved. Whats going on with that? If it requires "new" subscribers to be moderated and not existing subscribers then perhaps : http://SERVER/mailman/admin/LISTNAME/privacy/sender "By default, should new list member postings be moderated?" is set to "Yes" If all subscribers have to be moderated then perhaps : http://SERVER/mailman/admin/LISTNAME/general "Emergency moderation of all list traffic." Is set to "Yes" Good luck, Michael Hogsett From morgan at hahaha.org Mon Dec 1 20:45:15 2003 From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 11:45:15 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading lists 2.0.X -> 2.1.X Message-ID: <87fzg4jp9w.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> Do I need to update the data under $prefix/lists/ when upgrading from 2.0.X to 2.1.X? If so, how? I don't see any mention of it in the 2.1.3 INSTALL or UPGRADING document, but when I try the upgrade with 2.0.8-era lists/ data, I get errors about missing properties. (fields?) Morgan Fletcher From darwin at desktopengineer.com Mon Dec 1 21:03:09 2003 From: darwin at desktopengineer.com (darwin at desktopengineer.com) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:03:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Preprocessor Available - seeking feedback Message-ID: <00ca01c3b846$287bcf50$1502a8c0@PHASE5> Hello, Below is the description of a preprocessor script I wrote for mailman. I was looking to emulate the Topica.com features of "-subscribe", "-unsubscribe" and "-post-" in an efficient and extensible manner. I am seeking feedback on the script and I have two areas that are troubling right now: *) I still get a succesful completion AND an error message back from mailman when sending to "-unsubscribe" (yet I don't get one when sending to "-unsubscribe" which *should* process exactly the same way. I know I coiuld re-write the entire message - but I am wondering if there is a way to make unsubscribe work the same way as subscribe and post - by doing replacements to the inbound message. *) I am wondering if there is a way to alter all the messages sent out by mailman to match my configuration. There are some in "Templates" - but others seem hardcoded. Right now I am tied to Mailman 2.0.13 due to needing to stay compliant with the RedHat 2.1AS distribution. The script can be found at http://desktopengineer.com/mmpreproc Thanks for any time anyone can take to send feedback, D. # This script pre-processes mail commands to mailman to faciliate announcement lists and easy subscribe and unsubscribe. # It modifies the list behavior as follows: # *) unsubscribes only made through the alias -subscribe at domain.com and automatically sets users password to their email # *) unsubscribes only made through the alias -unsubscribe at domain.com and automatically unsubscribes with no confirm, email=password is assumed # *) posting to the list can only be done through a special alias that includes a password component such as -post-@domain.com. # The list can be configured for moderation and only allow a specific list of emails to be automatically approved. Since it is recommended # that you delete the @domain.com alias, using this method prevents the need to moderate messages that try to use the standard posting # alias - even if you do not allow auto approval of posts to specific email addresses. # *) This script accomplishes its objectives by having the mail message piped to it and then it pipes the message into the standard mailman wrapper for # processing. This is more efficient than re-mailing back to the same system. In addition, since the program simply does regex substitutions to # inbound message headers, the posting password alias can work easily with complex messages that include mime sections because the entire message does not # need to pass through mail again and therefore be disassembled, reassembled and then emailed correctly. # *) Many other modifications could be made for preprocessing mailman commands and posts - the script design is modular and dynamic - it pulls apart the # mail aliases components (seperate by "-" character) and decides what to do with the message based on these components. # Install # *) Tested with mailman 2.0.13 (Redhat 2.1AS Version) # *) Ensure you have Mail:Mailer (mailtools) installed if you wish to have error notification or debug emails sent, or rewrite the email section # to suite your system. # *) Copy mmprepoc.pl to /mail (e.g. "cp mmpreproc.pl /path/to/mailman/mail") # *) Change ownership to the mailman user (e.g. "chown mailman mmpreproc.pl") # *) Change security to be executable (e.g. "chmod 755 mmpreproc.pl") # *) For sendmail create a link in the /etc/smrsh directory (e.g. "ln -s /path/to/mailman/mail/mmpreproc.pl") # *) Set $mailmanpath - this should be the directory with all your mailman subdirectories (including "bin") in it. # *) Set $blockrequests - if set to "1" this script blocks all -request at domain.com messages except replys to # subscription confirmations. # *) Set $emaildiscards, $emailerrors, $emaildebug and $emailnotifyaddress if you wish to use email notification. # Configure Mailman (note your lists cannot have a "-" character in their name): # *) add the list alias -subscribe: "|/path/to/mailman/mail/mmpreproc.pl" # *) add the list alias -unsubscribe: "|/path/to/mailman/mail/mmpreproc.pl" # Configure Mailman: If using the post-password alias feature # *) add the list alias -post-: "|/path/to/mailman/mail/subprocessor" # *) remove the list alias or send it to null so that you don't have to moderate messages sent there. # *) in mail man set posting to the list to be only allowed from members of the list and setup any auto-approval email # addresses. It won't matter that users can see your auto approved email when receiving messages because they cannot # tell that you used a special alias to send the message rather than @domain.com From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Mon Dec 1 21:04:02 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:04:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personalisation In-Reply-To: <20031201113154.GA4257@master> References: <20031201113154.GA4257@master> Message-ID: <20031201200402.GO8268@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Christian Schoepplein wrote: > What do I have to set in mm_cfg-py to enable personalisation by > default for new lists (not full personalisation). In listconfigs i > saw, that > > personalize = 1 > > would be the thing to set, but is it possible to use this setting in > mm_cfg.py? I don't know that this would work. Looking at Mailman/MailList.py, it looks like personalize is always initialized to 0. This probably isn't the right way to handle it, but just for fun I changed MailList.py and added a DEFAULT_LIST_PERSONALIZATION variable to mm_cfg.py. If both that and OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION are non-zero, then personalize picks up that value. Otherwise, it gets set to 0. Here's the small patch I made to Mailman/MailList.py: - --- Mailman/MailList.py~ Tue Sep 30 16:56:33 2003 +++ Mailman/MailList.py Mon Dec 1 14:35:20 2003 @@ -340,7 +340,10 @@ self.filter_action = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_FILTER_ACTION # Analogs to these are initted in Digester.InitVars self.nondigestable = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_NONDIGESTABLE - - self.personalize = 0 + if mm_cfg.OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION and mm_cfg.DEFAULT_LIST_PERSONALIZATION: + self.personalize = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_LIST_PERSONALIZATION + else: + self.personalize = 0 # New sender-centric moderation (privacy) options self.default_member_moderation = \ mm_cfg.DEFAULT_DEFAULT_MEMBER_MODERATION - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== The average woman would rather be beautiful than smart because the average man can see better than he can think. --Unknown -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/y56yuv+09NZUB1oRAsVbAJsFxETqTaesrsmamXRFgVA+LguTGgCeJjes treH5dSQt0L5aVfYm925GvI= =66M4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tech-mail at prupref.com Mon Dec 1 21:05:40 2003 From: tech-mail at prupref.com (McKeever Chris) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:05:40 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Subject commands In-Reply-To: <5955B503933ED848879DD9C8DBC2757204A212@chieftain.iddwebs.local> Message-ID: <200312012005.hB1K5d017905@smtp1.prupref.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031201/e59f2d0d/attachment.pot From tercio at tre-pe.gov.br Mon Dec 1 21:53:19 2003 From: tercio at tre-pe.gov.br (Tercio Eulalio de A. Fonseca) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 17:53:19 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MAILMAN + OUTLOOK Message-ID: <017601c3b84d$268d8fb0$5901080a@trepe.gov.br> Hi ALL, Some users in my company had their outlook configurated for break messages greater than 100k (for example). When someone send a 200K message, the outlook divide it in 2 parts, deliver to mailman and the mailman deliver 2 messages to the mailman users and the Outlook of this users doesn?t join the messages in 1. But when I send this same 200k message to a single person the outlook join the 2 parts. It?s happening because the READERS that the mailman put in the messages??? Thanks, T?rcio Eul?lio de A. Fons?ca Administrador de Redes Coordenadoria de Produ??o e Suporte - SI - TRE-PE 0xx81 3424-8686 ramal 242, tercio at tre-pe.gov.br From tech at kennedy.edu.hk Tue Dec 2 01:40:01 2003 From: tech at kennedy.edu.hk (Damar Thapa, ICT Technician) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 08:40:01 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I prevent all members, except list manager, from sending mail to the list?? References: <012401c3b7ae$0af903f0$e601000a@ICTTECH> <5EB9D94C-23AE-11D8-960F-0003938ADBC6@macosx.com> Message-ID: <00f101c3b86c$d281b340$e601000a@ICTTECH> Hi, Firstly, my apology to the list that I posted the question before going through FAQ thoroughly. Since the version of my Mailman is 2.1.4, I have followed "How to do it in Mailman 2.1" section of the FAQ. In this section, I could not understand the last para of this section. Can some one in the list give me some pointers on this? Thanks, Damar ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim McCarty To: Damar Thapa, ICT Technician Cc: mailman-users at python.org Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Can I prevent all members, except list manager, from sending mail to the list?? On Nov 30, 2003, at 5:54 PM, Damar Thapa, ICT Technician wrote: > I am planning to use mailman simply to inform the website update to > the members, so that the members should not be able to send mail to > the list address. > > Can I do this? yes -- "Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again." - Franklin P. Jones ___________________________________________________________ Kennedy School http://www.kennedy.edu.hk/ uses MessageLabs Skyscan service in the war against all computer viruses. This email has been scanned. http://www.messagelabs.com ___________________________________________________________ From thomas at btspuhler.com Tue Dec 2 03:03:58 2003 From: thomas at btspuhler.com (Thomas Spuhler) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:03:58 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman wont send mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1070330638.6589.44.camel@aargau.btspuhler.com> What version are you using? This make a huge difference as I learned this weekend. I had the same in my mail log. Thomas On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 00:34, Zimmermann Christian wrote: > Hello to all, > > I?m new to this list. > > I have a problem with mailman and postfix. > I set up mailman out of the box on my suse 8.2 system. > I have made the changes in my httpd.conf and createt a new list called gfn-nasen. > The needed entries In my /etc/aliases are also there- I think so. > > gfn-nasen: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post gfn-nasen" > gfn-nasen-admin: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin gfn-nasen" > gfn-nasen-bounces: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces gfn-nasen" > gfn-nasen-confirm: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm gfn-nasen" > gfn-nasen-join: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join gfn-nasen" > gfn-nasen-leave: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave gfn-nasen" > gfn-nasen-owner: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner gfn-nasen" > gfn-nasen-request: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request gfn-nasen" > gfn-nasen-subscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe gfn-nasen" > gfn-nasen-unsubscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe gfn-nasen" > > When I send a mail to gfn-nasen-request at mail.virtuelle-apotheke.de the mail is accepted by my postfix server. > > Dec 1 08:22:48 service postfix/smtpd[9718]: connect from pop.gmx.net[213.165.64.20] > Dec 1 08:22:48 service postfix/smtpd[9718]: B28653A5A0: client=pop.gmx.net[213.165.64.20] > Dec 1 08:22:48 service postfix/cleanup[9728]: B28653A5A0: message-id=<17059.1070262968 at www30.gmx.net> > Dec 1 08:22:48 service postfix/qmgr[9648]: B28653A5A0: from=, size=811, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > Dec 1 08:22:49 service postfix/smtpd[9718]: disconnect from pop.gmx.net[213.165.64.20] > Dec 1 08:23:06 service postfix/pickup[9647]: BAC0B3B44A: uid=501 from= > Dec 1 08:23:06 service postfix/cleanup[9720]: BAC0B3B44A: message-id=<17059.1070262968 at www30.gmx.net> > Dec 1 08:23:06 service postfix/pipe[9721]: B28653A5A0: to=, relay=filter, delay=18, status=sent (dummy) > Dec 1 08:23:06 service postfix/qmgr[9648]: BAC0B3B44A: from=, size=1146, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > Dec 1 08:23:07 service amavis[9755]: starting. amavis 0.3.12pre8 Mon Mar 17 18:52:54 UTC 2003 > Dec 1 08:23:07 service postfix/smtpd[9735]: connect from localhost[127.0.0.1] > Dec 1 08:23:07 service postfix/smtpd[9735]: 9437C3B453: client=localhost[127.0.0.1] > Dec 1 08:23:07 service postfix/cleanup[9728]: 9437C3B453: message-id=<17059.1070262968 at www30.gmx.net> > Dec 1 08:23:07 service postfix/qmgr[9648]: 9437C3B453: from=, size=1402, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > Dec 1 08:23:07 service postfix/smtpd[9735]: disconnect from localhost[127.0.0.1] > Dec 1 08:23:07 service postfix/pipe[9730]: BAC0B3B44A: to=, relay=vscan, delay=1, status=sent (mail.virtuelle-apotheke.de) > Dec 1 08:23:07 service postfix/local[9759]: 9437C3B453: to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent ("|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request gfn-nasen") > > But after that nothing happens anymore. Mailman doesent answer :-(. > Even when I invite someone from the webinterface Mailman says "you successfully invited user at host.de " but I get no mail, and can?t see anything in the logfile. > Does anyone know where the mistake is? > Sorry for my english, I?m german sorry for that to ;) > > TIA > > Christian > > Mit freundlichen Gr??en > > Christian Zimmermann > > _\|/_ > (@ @) > -----oOOo-(_)-oOOo----- > > VitaNet GmbH > Industriestr. 50b > 69190 Walldorf > > Tel: 06227-35676961 > Fax:06227-3567989 > www.virtuelle-apotheke.de > c.zimmermann at virtuelle-apotheke.de > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: thomas at btspuhler.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/thomas%40btspuhler.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031201/2dbe534a/attachment.pgp From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Tue Dec 2 03:26:11 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:26:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman wont send mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031202022611.GW8268@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Zimmermann Christian wrote: > I have a problem with mailman and postfix. I set up mailman out of > the box on my suse 8.2 system. I have made the changes in my > httpd.conf and createt a new list called gfn-nasen. The needed > entries In my /etc/aliases are also there- I think so. > > gfn-nasen: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post gfn-nasen" > gfn-nasen-admin: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin gfn-nasen" > gfn-nasen-bounces: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces gfn-nasen" > gfn-nasen-confirm: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm gfn-nasen" > gfn-nasen-join: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join gfn-nasen" > gfn-nasen-leave: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave gfn-nasen" > gfn-nasen-owner: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner gfn-nasen" > gfn-nasen-request: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request gfn-nasen" > gfn-nasen-subscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe gfn-nasen" > gfn-nasen-unsubscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe gfn-nasen" Sort of a tangent, but if you're using postfix, you can automate the alias handling. Check out README.POSTFIX included with mailman for details. And check the FAQ and list archives for some common issues people have getting this to work. > When I send a mail to gfn-nasen-request at mail.virtuelle-apotheke.de > the mail is accepted by my postfix server. [...] > But after that nothing happens anymore. Mailman doesent answer :-(. > > Even when I invite someone from the webinterface Mailman says "you > successfully invited user at host.de " but I get no mail, and can?t see > anything in the logfile. > > Does anyone know where the mistake is? If you're using mailman >= 2.1, you probably don't have the mailman service started. If you're using 2.0, then you might not have the mailman cron entries installed. Check the docs included with your install to see if there are post install steps your distribution requires you to take. > Sorry for my english, I?m german sorry for that to ;) Hehe. :) - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Relying on government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your window blinds. -- John Barlow, co-founder of EFF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/y/hDuv+09NZUB1oRAuOQAJ44BdIi7Ndj1L6rP91vXGkcbVHE4QCfVzEi rOH9uRYGEUYpMTyJ/GJqG3I= =svHA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From steve at lobefin.net Tue Dec 2 03:46:04 2003 From: steve at lobefin.net (Stephen Gran) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:46:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Downgrade/migration problem Message-ID: <20031202024604.GA14783@hadrian> Hello all, I am having a little bit of a hard time with what is essentially a downgrade. Some background: the company I work for recently took over the backend sysadmin work for an ISP that runs about 50 mailman lists on one of their servers. After some looking around and getting accustomed to things in their set-up, we noticed a lot of exim and mailman errors. It turned out there was a very strange set-up, based loosely around mailman 2.1b2+ and exim 4.0x, but with lots of bits still left from older versions. There were exim cron jobs calling exim v.3 binaries, cronjobs calling other mailman paths, so on. A total mess of misinstallation, and unlikely to be sorted out any time soon. So, we decided that the easiest path might be to migrate the whole thing over to another box, running Debian Woody. This has exim 3.35 and mailman 2.0.11, so it is in effect a downgrade for both. The transition was made with a combination of rsync'ing the various directories under mailman/ and some scripts to dump the config's and memberships on the old machine and import them on the new machine (not for all the lists, though - only those that didn't have config.db, but only a config.pck - that is, only the lists added since the last admin upgraded mailman). We expected some problems, but most were resolvable. I'm stumped over this last one, and I'm hoping somebody might be able to shed some light on it. Mail coming in to the lists and going out to users works just fine. Mail going to admins is accepted by exim, and passed to mailman, but mailman never delivers list-admin mail. I see this in logs/error: Dec 01 21:38:06 2003 (15951) Delivery exception: bad marshal data Dec 01 21:38:06 2003 (15951) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 152, in process hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, NonMemberPost) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 218, in hold_for_approval mlist.HoldMessage(msg, reason, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 145, in HoldMessage self.__opendb() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb self.__db = marshal.load(fp) ValueError: bad marshal data I'm guessing that something is wrong with the data in a config.db, but I see no way to tell which one, or what's the matter with it. config_list and dumpdb don't show any error messages, so it seems that it can read the various files. I have no idea how to proceed further, so if anyone has any ideas, I would appreciate it. Thanks, -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Stephen Gran | It's the Magic that counts. | | steve at lobefin.net | -- Larry Wall on Perl's apparent | | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | ugliness | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031201/d4bc8c5b/attachment.pgp From tech-mail at prupref.com Tue Dec 2 03:58:21 2003 From: tech-mail at prupref.com (McKeever Chris) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:58:21 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I prevent all members, except list manager, from sending mail to the list?? Message-ID: <200312020258.hB22wL021056@smtp1.prupref.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031201/ca5c141d/attachment.asc From soob at macosx.com Tue Dec 2 07:18:33 2003 From: soob at macosx.com (Jim McCarty) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:18:33 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I prevent all members, except list manager, from sending mail to the list?? In-Reply-To: <00f101c3b86c$d281b340$e601000a@ICTTECH> References: <012401c3b7ae$0af903f0$e601000a@ICTTECH> <5EB9D94C-23AE-11D8-960F-0003938ADBC6@macosx.com> <00f101c3b86c$d281b340$e601000a@ICTTECH> Message-ID: <5B197214-248F-11D8-950F-0003938ADBC6@macosx.com> Damar, What that part of the FAQ is referring to is under the Membership Management portion of the list administration page. Clicking on that link should bring you to a page with a table of all of your subscribers whose addresses start with an 'a'. At the bottom of the page is an option to "Set everyone's moderation bit, including those members not currently visible" - select 'On' and then click the 'Set' button, then find your address and turn the mod bit Off. Hope this helps, jim -- "Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever." - Napoleon Bonaparte On Dec 1, 2003, at 4:40 PM, Damar Thapa, ICT Technician wrote: > > > Hi, > > Firstly, my apology to the list that I posted the question before > going through FAQ thoroughly. > > Since the version of my Mailman is 2.1.4, I have followed "How to do > it in Mailman 2.1" section of the FAQ. In this section, I could not > understand the last para of this section. Can some one in the list > give me some pointers on this? > > Thanks, > > Damar > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim McCarty > To: Damar Thapa, ICT Technician > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 11:28 AM > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Can I prevent all members, except list > manager, from sending mail to the list?? > > > On Nov 30, 2003, at 5:54 PM, Damar Thapa, ICT Technician wrote: > >> I am planning to use mailman simply to inform the website update to >> the members, so that the members should not be able to send mail to >> the list address. >> >> Can I do this? > > yes > > -- > "Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a > mistake when you make it again." > - Franklin P. Jones > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Kennedy School http://www.kennedy.edu.hk/ uses MessageLabs > Skyscan service in the war against all computer viruses. > This email has been scanned. http://www.messagelabs.com > ___________________________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: soob at macosx.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/soob%40macosx.com > From soob at macosx.com Tue Dec 2 08:05:25 2003 From: soob at macosx.com (Jim McCarty) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 23:05:25 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] server hostname in List address? In-Reply-To: <1AC52B52-242C-11D8-821A-0003930B42FC@beth.k12.pa.us> References: <1AC52B52-242C-11D8-821A-0003930B42FC@beth.k12.pa.us> Message-ID: Jeff, Do you still have the output of running the configure script in the mailman source directory? Look for "checking for default mail host name" and "checking for default URL host component". I needed to re-run mine and add --with-mailhost=mydomain.org and --with-urlhost=www.mydomain.org to the ./configure command line since it was picking up the machine's full hostname of name.mydomain.org There might be a setting in one of the python config files but I'm unfamiliar with what I can and cannot change in those files. My guess is that the default is compiled in. Hope this helps, Jim (using v2.1.3 on 10.2.8) -- "Another possible source of guidance for teenagers is television, but television's message has always been that the need for truth, wisdom and world peace pales by comparison with the need for a toothpaste that offers whiter teeth *and* fresher breath." - Dave Barry On Dec 1, 2003, at 10:28 AM, donovan wrote: > Greetings > > How can i create a list with out having the hostname of the server > displayed in the list? > > example: > I create a new list and it shows up as " newlist at server1.mydomain.com " > > How can i get it to create newlist at mydomain.com by default? > > I am using OSX 10.3.1 > TIA > > --jeff > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: soob at macosx.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/soob%40macosx.com > From stuart at aurora-solutions.co.uk Tue Dec 2 13:11:32 2003 From: stuart at aurora-solutions.co.uk (O'Reilly, Stuart) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:11:32 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] server hostname in List address? In-Reply-To: <1AC52B52-242C-11D8-821A-0003930B42FC@beth.k12.pa.us> Message-ID: Jeff, If you look in $prefix/Mailman (where $prefix = the mailman installation directory) there is a file called Defaults.py. If you open it and look for the following sections: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = '' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = '' These will be set to your defaults, i.e server1.mydomain.com. I get the impression that you shouldn't change the Defaults.py file, in which case copy the two lines to mm.cfg.py and set them to whatever you want and see what happens. Regards, Stuart > -----Original Message----- > From: > mailman-users-bounces+stuart=aurora-solutions.co.uk at python.org > > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+stuart=aurora-solutions.co.uk at py > thon.org] On Behalf Of donovan > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:28 PM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] server hostname in List address? > > Greetings > > How can i create a list with out having the hostname of the server > displayed in the list? > > example: > I create a new list and it shows up as " > newlist at server1.mydomain.com " > > How can i get it to create newlist at mydomain.com by default? > > I am using OSX 10.3.1 > TIA > > --jeff > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: stuart at aurora-solutions.co.uk > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/stuart%40 > aurora-solutions.co.uk > > From donovan at beth.k12.pa.us Tue Dec 2 13:32:21 2003 From: donovan at beth.k12.pa.us (Jeff Donovan) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 07:32:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] server hostname in List address?:;solved:: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <938A1948-24C3-11D8-A5AA-000393DAC2D8@beth.k12.pa.us> Thanks Stuart, i just had to remove the server1 from the mm_config.py file and it worked like a champ. DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = " mydomain.com " thanks for the replies --jeff On Dec 2, 2003, at 7:11 AM, O'Reilly, Stuart wrote: > Jeff, > > If you look in $prefix/Mailman (where $prefix = the mailman > installation > directory) there is a file called Defaults.py. If you open it and look > for > the following sections: > > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = '' > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = '' > > These will be set to your defaults, i.e server1.mydomain.com. I get the > impression that you shouldn't change the Defaults.py file, in which > case > copy the two lines to mm.cfg.py and set them to whatever you want and > see > what happens. > > Regards, > > Stuart > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> mailman-users-bounces+stuart=aurora-solutions.co.uk at python.org >> >> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+stuart=aurora-solutions.co.uk at py >> thon.org] On Behalf Of donovan >> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:28 PM >> To: mailman-users at python.org >> Subject: [Mailman-Users] server hostname in List address? >> >> Greetings >> >> How can i create a list with out having the hostname of the server >> displayed in the list? >> >> example: >> I create a new list and it shows up as " >> newlist at server1.mydomain.com " >> >> How can i get it to create newlist at mydomain.com by default? From johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Tue Dec 2 13:56:33 2003 From: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu (Chris Johnson) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 07:56:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin fuction discard not working. Message-ID: Hi, running Mailman v 2.1-8 here on rh7.3 w/ python 1.5.2-43.73. Simply, the Discard function on the list admin page isn't working. As I understand the process, I click on Discard and th Submit all and it's supoosed to dump the message or messages. Ain't happenin'. Message is still being held and won't go away. Would very much like to get ride of this message so the now annoying alert notices that tell mail daily there is a held message in the queue is still there would stop. Help appreciated. Tnx. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 149 (2301) 13th Street |I'm continually amazed by mankind's seemingly Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA |infinite capacity for stupidity. Me ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From steve at lobefin.net Tue Dec 2 14:08:22 2003 From: steve at lobefin.net (Stephen Gran) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 08:08:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Downgrade/migration problem In-Reply-To: <20031202024604.GA14783@hadrian> References: <20031202024604.GA14783@hadrian> Message-ID: <20031202130822.GA20858@hadrian> On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 09:46:04PM -0500, Stephen Gran said: > Mail coming in to the lists and going out to users works just fine. > Mail going to admins is accepted by exim, and passed to mailman, but > mailman never delivers list-admin mail. I see this in logs/error: Just a follow up of further debugging. It is not all admin mail, only mail notification about held messages. Help still appreciated. Thanks, -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Stephen Gran | pediddel: A car with only one working | | steve at lobefin.net | headlight. -- "Sniglets", Rich Hall & | | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | Friends | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031202/2ed54d82/attachment.pgp From zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com Tue Dec 2 14:25:17 2003 From: zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com (Jeremy Gilbert) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 08:25:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman wont send mail Message-ID: <18773-99348@sneakemail.com> > Hello to all, > > I?m new to this list. > > I have a problem with mailman and postfix. > I set up mailman out of the box on my suse 8.2 system. This list needs a searchable archive. I posted the same thing only two weeks ago. Anyway, the way I had to fix it was to add /etc/rc.d/init.d/mailman start to my /etc/rc.d/rc.local file. Even though mailman was executable and in init.d, it wasn't starting. This is with Slackware 9.1. I'm not familiar with SuSe, but the situation is probably similar. This new line fixed it for me _most_ of the time. Sometimes, when I reboot, it still doesn't start and I have to manually type that command as root, but since I don't plan to reboot very often, it's not a big deal for me. Hope this helps, Jeremy Gilbert zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com From zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com Tue Dec 2 16:21:30 2003 From: zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com (Jeremy Gilbert) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:21:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: [IPCop-user] ADSL MTU on Pulsar Message-ID: <23973-03467@sneakemail.com> > Has anyone had problems sending email from Windows over ADSL? > I think my > maximum transmission unit is too big, is there any way of setting it > according to my ISPs instructions? > > Thanks. I've not had trouble sending mail, but if you think the MTU is your problem, you should start by setting the MTU on all machines to 1492 if your ISP uses PPPoE. If that doesn't help, or you want to do more detailed diagnostics, head over to broadbandreports.com and use their tweak test to check your Windows machines. Make sure that if you do change the MTU than you set the MTU to the same value on every machine on your network. Jeremy Gilbert zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com From zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com Tue Dec 2 16:31:50 2003 From: zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com (Jeremy Gilbert) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:31:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: [IPCop-user] ADSL MTU on Pulsar Message-ID: <28726-02081@sneakemail.com> Sorry, wrong list, please ignore my last. From alhernan at uc.edu.ve Tue Dec 2 17:04:34 2003 From: alhernan at uc.edu.ve (Alvaro Jesus Hernandez Arteaga) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:04:34 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error on start mailman Message-ID: <200312021204.34305.alhernan@uc.edu.ve> Hi I install Mailman on a Mandrake/Linux 9.2, when try to start mailman show this error: Starting mailman qrunnerSite list is missing: mailman I make a search in FAQ Mailman and no found anything about this somebody are able to tell me where this the problem Thank you in advance -- Alvaro Jesus Hernandez Arteaga alhernan at uc.edu.ve Linux Counter: 122569 Key fingerprint = 4FA5 CFCD 9AD9 8A1E CB10 5C53 7F31 C83B 2DF9 BB6A From gabriel at argus-online.com Tue Dec 2 17:27:08 2003 From: gabriel at argus-online.com (Gabriel Schillaci) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:27:08 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to set nomail flag from command line Message-ID: <037d01c3b8f1$8f16efa0$9200a8c0@PITIGUIN1> Hi. I developed an interface from my Content Manager to Mailman so people can create lists, subscribe and unsubscribe using my CM front end. Some subscribers want to post from different accounts, and obviously want to receive just one copy to one (main) account, not to all of them. Then, looking for a workaround, I found that this would work if I set the nomail flag to those alternative e-mail accounts. Now, my question: how can I set the nomail flag from a command line? I browsed the documentation and found nothing to do that. Any ideas? Gabriel From og at digimark.net Tue Dec 2 18:32:16 2003 From: og at digimark.net (Gary Goldberg) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:32:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Turn off MIMEDefang/SpamAssassin for outbound Mailman posts? Message-ID: Hello. I have Mailman 2.13 configured on Red Hat Linux 9 with Sendmail 8.12.9, MIMEDefang 2.39, SpamAssassin 2.60. I have a separate sendmail -bd daemon running on a high level port with DeliverMode=defer to avoid the DNS efficiency problem. All mail inbound to the system is scanned with MIMEDefang/SpamAssassin, and then re-scanned when the outbound Mailman message is sent. Is there any way I can turn off MIMEDefang/SpamAsssassin for the outbound Mailman only? It's tagging my digests as spam (score 5.5) even though the posts that make up the digest all passed inbound. Thanks in advance. -Gary -- -- "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." - Anais Nin Gary Goldberg KA3ZYW V:301/249-6501 F:301/390-1955 AIM:OgGreeb Digital Marketing/Bowie MD/Systems & Networks Consult From donovan at mail2.beth.k12.pa.us Mon Dec 1 19:19:30 2003 From: donovan at mail2.beth.k12.pa.us (donovan) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:19:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Create list without Hostname Message-ID: Greetings How can i create a list with out having the hostname of the server displayed in the list? example: I create a new list and it shows up as " newlist at server1.mydomain.com " How can i get it to create newlist at mydomain.com by default? I am using OSX 10.3.1 TIA --jeff From oiram at oiram.net Mon Dec 1 20:10:00 2003 From: oiram at oiram.net (Mariusz Handke) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:10:00 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] soem error Message-ID: <009d01c3b83e$b814cd40$0b00a8c0@alice1> hi there, i'm getting this error : --- From: mailman at alice.oiram.net (Cron Daemon) To: mailman at alice.oiram.net Subject: Cron /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: Status: Site list is missing: mailman --- any idea how to fix it? (re: oiram at oiram.net) ---=[ Mariusz *OiRaM* Handke ]=--- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.543 / Virus Database: 337 - Release Date: 26/11/2003 From Marquise.Williams at cptii.com Mon Dec 1 20:39:25 2003 From: Marquise.Williams at cptii.com (Marquise Williams) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:39:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman Message-ID: <5481586103A64144B90689B4094E3DDA0105E8AA@cptiis3.cptii.net> How you doing. We have mail man already on the server we use for our website and we were trying to send out E-mails to people....but all we keep getting is an E-mail to the moderators asking to approve or deny. When we go to do that there is nothing there. Nobody ever gets the E-mail but they sit in the archives. Any help would be much appreciated. Marquise This is the message moderators get: As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: Updates at essdub.com From: mrrictor at aol.com Subject: The Week of Sol Uprising - Sol Power Reason: Post to moderated list At your convenience, visit: http://essdub.com/mailman/admindb/updates_essdub.com to approve or deny the request. _____ Subj: The Week of Sol Uprising - Sol Power Date: 12/1/2003 5:54:33 AM Eastern Standard Time From: MrRictor at aol.com To: Updates at essdub.com WWW.ESSDUB.COM :: WWW.SHAMANWORK.COM :: WWW.SOLUPRISING.COM Peace to all Shaman Work/ESSDUB.com fans and supporters... We are about to enter a big week for Shaman Work Recordings with the worldwide release of Sol Uprising's (www.soluprising.com ) incredible album - Sol Power. The album will be in most stores worldwide on Tuesday Dec. 2nd. 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Other titles to make sure to pick up from ESSDUB.com are: Sol Uprising - "We Ourself and Us" 12" (Vinyl) MF DOOM - Special Herbs Vol. 456 (CD and 2LP) MF DOOM (King Geedorah) - Take Me To Your Leader (Autographed CD) Wale Oyejide - Broken Jazz 101 (CD) Wale Oyejide - "Kaya" 12" (Vinyl) Lacks oka Ta'Raach - Re:Lacks Instrumentals (Vinyl) Lacks - Re:Lacks Vol. 1 With The World (CD) The Alpha Projects (Both Volumes 1 and 2) Peace, ESSDUB.com, Shaman Work Recordings, and Crew E-mail: store at essdub.com Message board: www.alphabeats.com/forum/phpBB2 Web: www.essdub.com www.shamanwork.com www.craftedmusic.com www.alphabeats.com www.battleofthebeats.com www.politix.net www.craftedsports.com (coming soon) _____ Subj: confirm 4aafd115d611e667e71b437921997dcc1d8b9e08 From: Updates-request at essdub.com If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact, Mailman will discard the held message. Do this if the message is spam. If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting to the list. The Approved: header can also appear in the first line of the body of the reply. 5 of 109 Include original text in reply. From Darwin at sanoy.com Mon Dec 1 20:57:02 2003 From: Darwin at sanoy.com (Darwin Sanoy) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:57:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Preprocessor Available - seeking feedback Message-ID: <00c001c3b845$4d8b87f0$1502a8c0@PHASE5> Hello, Below is the description of a preprocessor script I wrote for mailman. I was looking to emulate the Topica.com features of "-subscribe", "-unsubscribe" and "-post-" in an efficient and extensible manner. I am seeking feedback on the script and I have two areas that are troubling right now: *) I still get a succesful completion AND an error message back from mailman when sending to "-unsubscribe" (yet I don't get one when sending to "-unsubscribe" which *should* process exactly the same way. I know I coiuld re-write the entire message - but I am wondering if there is a way to make unsubscribe work the same way as subscribe and post - by doing replacements to the inbound message. *) I am wondering if there is a way to alter all the messages sent out by mailman to match my configuration. There are some in "Templates" - but others seem hardcoded. Right now I am tied to Mailman 2.0.13 due to needing to stay compliant with the RedHat 2.1AS distribution. The script can be found at http://desktopengineer.com/mmpreproc Thanks for any time anyone can take to send feedback, D. # This script pre-processes mail commands to mailman to faciliate announcement lists and easy subscribe and unsubscribe. # It modifies the list behavior as follows: # *) unsubscribes only made through the alias -subscribe at domain.com and automatically sets users password to their email # *) unsubscribes only made through the alias -unsubscribe at domain.com and automatically unsubscribes with no confirm, email=password is assumed # *) posting to the list can only be done through a special alias that includes a password component such as -post-@domain.com. # The list can be configured for moderation and only allow a specific list of emails to be automatically approved. Since it is recommended # that you delete the @domain.com alias, using this method prevents the need to moderate messages that try to use the standard posting # alias - even if you do not allow auto approval of posts to specific email addresses. # *) This script accomplishes its objectives by having the mail message piped to it and then it pipes the message into the standard mailman wrapper for # processing. This is more efficient than re-mailing back to the same system. In addition, since the program simply does regex substitutions to # inbound message headers, the posting password alias can work easily with complex messages that include mime sections because the entire message does not # need to pass through mail again and therefore be disassembled, reassembled and then emailed correctly. # *) Many other modifications could be made for preprocessing mailman commands and posts - the script design is modular and dynamic - it pulls apart the # mail aliases components (seperate by "-" character) and decides what to do with the message based on these components. # Install # *) Tested with mailman 2.0.13 (Redhat 2.1AS Version) # *) Ensure you have Mail:Mailer (mailtools) installed if you wish to have error notification or debug emails sent, or rewrite the email section # to suite your system. # *) Copy mmprepoc.pl to /mail (e.g. "cp mmpreproc.pl /path/to/mailman/mail") # *) Change ownership to the mailman user (e.g. "chown mailman mmpreproc.pl") # *) Change security to be executable (e.g. "chmod 755 mmpreproc.pl") # *) For sendmail create a link in the /etc/smrsh directory (e.g. "ln -s /path/to/mailman/mail/mmpreproc.pl") # *) Set $mailmanpath - this should be the directory with all your mailman subdirectories (including "bin") in it. # *) Set $blockrequests - if set to "1" this script blocks all -request at domain.com messages except replys to # subscription confirmations. # *) Set $emaildiscards, $emailerrors, $emaildebug and $emailnotifyaddress if you wish to use email notification. # Configure Mailman (note your lists cannot have a "-" character in their name): # *) add the list alias -subscribe: "|/path/to/mailman/mail/mmpreproc.pl" # *) add the list alias -unsubscribe: "|/path/to/mailman/mail/mmpreproc.pl" # Configure Mailman: If using the post-password alias feature # *) add the list alias -post-: "|/path/to/mailman/mail/subprocessor" # *) remove the list alias or send it to null so that you don't have to moderate messages sent there. # *) in mail man set posting to the list to be only allowed from members of the list and setup any auto-approval email # addresses. It won't matter that users can see your auto approved email when receiving messages because they cannot # tell that you used a special alias to send the message rather than @domain.com From bo.karlsson at chello.se Tue Dec 2 14:45:54 2003 From: bo.karlsson at chello.se (bo.karlsson at chello.se) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:45:54 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list Message-ID: <20031202134554.VSYV28766.amsfep13-int.chello.nl@localhost> Hallo I have create a mailing list, but hove can I add mail-adress to the list. Can I convert from a Excel-file ?? Please help me. Rgds / Bosse From Michael at Jasinski.com Tue Dec 2 16:47:34 2003 From: Michael at Jasinski.com (Michael Jasinski) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:47:34 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Send Limits Message-ID: <000c01c3b8eb$9ba960a0$408bfea9@MJX2Michael> Hi - to whom it may concern : We have maillist and are using the program provided by our hosting company. However they seem to have limited knowledge so I need to ask someone ASAP.... What is the mail list size limit: Max # of members? Max # of members that one list can send? If limited, by how much and what happened to excess members. We are on ver. 2.1.3 We currently have something like 10,000 + members in one list, however, I don't feel all are getting them. I which I could tell. Anyway we were told the max was 1,000 per list so to break the 10,000 into sub groups? True? We are not high tech here, but are heavy mailman users for our private database / membership. THANK FOR ANY DIRECTION or HELP IN ADVANCE ! Michael Michael at Jasinski.com (Email not for public distribution) From josef.proell at reg-schw.bayern.de Tue Dec 2 17:11:52 2003 From: josef.proell at reg-schw.bayern.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Pr=F6ll_Josef?=) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:11:52 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Download Message-ID: <11142E5E82DDD411940E006008F617AC01B87648@Hyperion.reg-schw.bayern.de> Hello, when I download Mailman 2.1.3 (from list.org, SourceForge and gnu), my VirusScanner (McAfee) reports me a Virus! He says: Virus "Exploit-MIME.gen" in File mailman-2.1-3.tgz found. Can it be true? Best regards Josef Pr?ll Regierung von Schwaben Fronhof 10 86152 Augsburg Telefon: 0821 327 2358 Telefax: 0821 327 12358 E-Mail: josef.proell at reg-schw.bayern.de http://www.regierung.schwaben.bayern.de From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Tue Dec 2 18:46:45 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:46:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] soem error In-Reply-To: <009d01c3b83e$b814cd40$0b00a8c0@alice1> References: <009d01c3b83e$b814cd40$0b00a8c0@alice1> Message-ID: <20031202174645.GC602@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mariusz Handke wrote: > hi there, > i'm getting this error : > > --- > From: mailman at alice.oiram.net (Cron Daemon) > To: mailman at alice.oiram.net > Subject: Cron /usr/local/bin/python -S > /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > Status: > > Site list is missing: mailman > --- > > any idea how to fix it? Sure. Read the install instructions and create the site list. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Taking power away from government is like taking food away from a pit bull. In the end, we must demonstrate who is the master. -- Rick McGinnis -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/zNAEuv+09NZUB1oRAo2FAKD5TlHzO3xA7GkxR4XF/fiCsBMPYwCeKaZU 2ZNhE6TNi+yz+R+fCVwg0z0= =jz2/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Tue Dec 2 18:49:53 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:49:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman wont send mail In-Reply-To: <18773-99348@sneakemail.com> References: <18773-99348@sneakemail.com> Message-ID: <20031202174953.GD602@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Gilbert wrote: > This list needs a searchable archive. I posted the same thing only > two weeks ago. See the footer of every message: > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If you don't like the mail-archive setup, you can also use http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mailman-users - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Between two evils, I always pick the one I never tried before. -- Mae West -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/zNDBuv+09NZUB1oRAilfAJ9v1RFSO1+7nhpUAWx7fkT3N02i4QCg18MZ ayqeK0ZPKCCqTiOw0kQiIMQ= =/FY0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lvalics at grafx.ro Tue Dec 2 18:52:52 2003 From: lvalics at grafx.ro (Valics Lehel) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:52:52 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with QMail and PLESK 6.0.2 Control Panel References: <00c001c3b845$4d8b87f0$1502a8c0@PHASE5> Message-ID: <024a01c3b8fd$1c4fbbd0$618b6150@lehelhome> Hi, Anyone use Mailman with QMail and PLESK 6.0.2 Control Panel? If yes, did he succesfull installed Mailman and work fine? I have problems on activate subscription in mail and send post in mail. All is working fine with activation on Internet webpages. Regards, Valics Lehel From denlistes at altern.org Tue Dec 2 19:19:50 2003 From: denlistes at altern.org (Denis) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:19:50 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 4 times !!! Message-ID: <1070389189.1887.3.camel@den> Hi, I have upgraded mailman on debian from 2.0.3. to 2.1.1-5.1 Since this upgrade, i have a big problem. All the request messages, reminder of subscription, ... are sending 4 times. I don't no who i can resolve this problem. Someone have an idea ? Thanks Denis From hogsett at csl.sri.com Tue Dec 2 19:58:31 2003 From: hogsett at csl.sri.com (Mike Hogsett) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 10:58:31 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I prevent all members, except list manager, from sending mail to the list?? In-Reply-To: Message from McKeever Chris of "Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:58:21 CST." <200312020258.hB22wL021056@smtp1.prupref.com> Message-ID: <200312021858.hB2IwVuK007585@quarter.csl.sri.com> Alternatively... replace the "|mailman post " alias with a LIST: /dev/null or other destination (which does not go to mailman post) and then create an unadvertised aliases such as LIST-really-send: "|mailman post " perhaps that will do what you want. From multimedia-fan at myrealbox.com Tue Dec 2 22:40:12 2003 From: multimedia-fan at myrealbox.com (multimedia-fan at myrealbox.com) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:40:12 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list In-Reply-To: <20031202134554.VSYV28766.amsfep13-int.chello.nl@localhost> References: <20031202134554.VSYV28766.amsfep13-int.chello.nl@localhost> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:45:54 +0100, wrote: >Hallo >I have create a mailing list, but hove can I add mail-adress to the list. >Can I convert from a Excel-file ?? > >Please help me. > Hi, Go to: http://Your-hostname/mailman/admin/Listname Click the Membership Management link. And then Mass Subscription. Follow the instructions on that page. Good luck. From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Tue Dec 2 07:43:29 2003 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 07:43:29 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman wont send mail References: Message-ID: C.Zimmermann at virtuelle-apotheke.de ("Zimmermann Christian"): > But after that nothing happens anymore. Mailman doesent answer :-(. Mailman queues all mail before the queue runner process (running continuosly in the background in Mailman 2.1, started from cron in Mailman 2.0) starts delivery. What version of Mailman do you have? If 2.1: did you start the queue runner process? If 2.0: did you copy the relevant entries to the crontab of your mailman-user (presumably - I'm running 2.1 myself). > Sorry for my english, I?m german sorry for that to ;) You're not the only one around here. :) -thh -- Thomas Hochstein | thh at mail.th-h.de | http://www.th-h.de/ One ping to rule them all / one ping to find them / one ping to bring them all / and in the darkness bind them. From mark at antsclimbtree.com Wed Dec 3 00:41:37 2003 From: mark at antsclimbtree.com (Mark Edwards) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:41:37 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change the system-wide maximum message size? Message-ID: <12496BEA-2521-11D8-9E43-000393C0ABC0@antsclimbtree.com> I'm running mailman for small lists (under 10 people) but the server is on DSL connection with a slow outgoing speed (128Kbps). How can I alter the system-wide maximum message size? Under no circumstances do I want list members to post messages larger than a few hundred K, and I don't want to be bothered with notifications when people try it. I just want to lower the system-wide max from the rather-large 3MB limit to more like 300K. I've searched for an hour in vain, but I imagine this number can be changed somewhere. Anyone know where? Thanks! From soob at macosx.com Wed Dec 3 07:38:23 2003 From: soob at macosx.com (Jim McCarty) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 22:38:23 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error on start mailman In-Reply-To: <200312021204.34305.alhernan@uc.edu.ve> References: <200312021204.34305.alhernan@uc.edu.ve> Message-ID: <4AE504BD-255B-11D8-950F-0003938ADBC6@macosx.com> See the INSTALL doc in the mailman source directory, section 4 (Final system set-up) and follow the 'Create a "site-wide" mailing list' instructions. Jim -- "O Lord, help me to be pure, but not yet." - Saint Augustine On Dec 2, 2003, at 8:04 AM, Alvaro Jesus Hernandez Arteaga wrote: > Hi > > I install Mailman on a Mandrake/Linux 9.2, when try to start mailman > show this > error: > > Starting mailman qrunnerSite list is missing: mailman > > I make a search in FAQ Mailman and no found anything about this > somebody are able to tell me where this the problem > > Thank you in advance > -- > Alvaro Jesus Hernandez Arteaga > alhernan at uc.edu.ve > Linux Counter: 122569 > Key fingerprint = 4FA5 CFCD 9AD9 8A1E CB10 5C53 7F31 C83B 2DF9 BB6A > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: soob at macosx.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/soob%40macosx.com > From C.Zimmermann at virtuelle-apotheke.de Wed Dec 3 08:36:33 2003 From: C.Zimmermann at virtuelle-apotheke.de (Zimmermann Christian) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:36:33 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE:mailman wont send mail Message-ID: Hello, thanks for all the Tipps folks. But when I say what the mistake was you all gona beet me up. mailman wasn?t startet. I could bite in my ass, I spend a lot of time to find whats wrong an then..... argh. I thought the service starts automaticly but.... anyway. Thank to all. Mit freundlichen Gr??en Christian Zimmermann _\|/_ (@ @) -----oOOo-(_)-oOOo----- VitaNet GmbH Industriestr. 50b 69190 Walldorf Tel: 06227-35676961 Fax:06227-3567989 www.virtuelle-apotheke.de c.zimmermann at virtuelle-apotheke.de From pkey at sghms.ac.uk Wed Dec 3 16:16:06 2003 From: pkey at sghms.ac.uk (Paul Key) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:16:06 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig intregration problems Message-ID: <3FCDFE36.6060507@sghms.ac.uk> solaris 9 mailman 2.1.3 htdig 3.1.6 patches: indexing-2.1.3-0.1 and htdig-2.1.3-0.4 htdig is working. from the command line i can do: #/opt/www/htdig/bin/htsearch -c /usr/local/mailman/archives/htdig/mailman.conf as users root , mailman and nobody and get the html search results correctly returned. When I try and search from the web archive form i get: htdig Archives Access Failure search failed -12- If you want to make another attempt to access a list archive then go via the list users information page . If this problem persists then please e-mail the following information to the mailman at mailman.sghms.ac.uk : http://mailman.sghms.ac.uk/pipermail/mailman/ /mailman/mmsearch/mailman if i run the nightly_htdig script from the command line it hangs with 'rundig failed for list mailman, exit code 134' has anyone got any ideas where i can look to put things right... thanks paul -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From morgan at hahaha.org Wed Dec 3 17:58:53 2003 From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 08:58:53 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading lists 2.0.X -> 2.1.X In-Reply-To: <87fzg4jp9w.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> (Morgan Fletcher's message of "Mon, 01 Dec 2003 11:45:15 -0800") References: <87fzg4jp9w.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> Message-ID: <87ptf5zvle.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> Morgan Fletcher writes: > Do I need to update the data under $prefix/lists/ when upgrading from 2.0.X > to 2.1.X? If so, how? I don't see any mention of it in the 2.1.3 INSTALL or > UPGRADING document, but when I try the upgrade with 2.0.8-era lists/ data, > I get errors about missing properties. (fields?) Anyone? Morgan Fletcher From gagel at cnc.bc.ca Wed Dec 3 19:08:37 2003 From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (gagel at cnc.bc.ca) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 10:08:37 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] The & causing a problem Message-ID: <3fce26a5.3aa.b0c.30446@cnc.bc.ca> I have a list with a & in the name, is this a dis-allowed character in the list names? I have recieved a message back indicating a problem with the use of the "&" see below: Final-Recipient: rfc822; arts&science-request at avas.cnc.bc.ca Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 127: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request arts&science". Command output: sh: science: command not found mailcmd script, list not found: arts Suggestions,comments,fixes?... ==================== Kevin W. Gagel Network Administrator (250) 561-5848 local 448 (250) 562-2131 local 448 -------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. -------------------------------------------------------------- From cewatts at brainstorminternet.net Wed Dec 3 19:41:43 2003 From: cewatts at brainstorminternet.net (Charlie Watts) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:41:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple/Redundant Mailman servers Message-ID: What's the "Best Current Practice" for running Multiple or Redundant Mailman servers? I have a distributed mail system - centralized local message store, and many SMTP/POP heads. I'd *like* to be able to run Mailman on all of them, with the same lists and configs. Currently I NFS mount the configs for many other software packages, and it works well. I've tried NFS mounting /usr/local/mailman, and making qfiles a symlink to a local directory on each machine. This doesn't work; I get messages shunted because of Stale NFS filehandles and permission errors, even though check_perms says I'm good. If this simply isn't possible, I can shunt all of the mail to a central list server, and just back-up mailman so I can bring it up elsewhere if necessary. But I'd love to have a way to do this. -- Charlie Watts Brainstorm Internet 970 247-1442 x113 cewatts at brainstorminternet.net http://www.brainstorminternet.net/ From simon at caperet.com Wed Dec 3 20:02:55 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:02:55 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] The & causing a problem In-Reply-To: <3fce26a5.3aa.b0c.30446@cnc.bc.ca> References: <3fce26a5.3aa.b0c.30446@cnc.bc.ca> Message-ID: <20031203190255.GA8752@mediadev.com> 03-Dec-03 at 10:08, gagel at cnc.bc.ca (gagel at cnc.bc.ca) wrote : > I have a list with a & in the name, is this a dis-allowed character in > the list names? > > I have recieved a message back indicating a problem with the use of > the "&" see below: > Final-Recipient: rfc822; arts&science-request at avas.cnc.bc.ca > Action: failed > Status: 5.0.0 > Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 127: > "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request arts&science". Command > output: sh: > science: command not found mailcmd script, list not found: arts The & in shell has a special meaning, it would have to be "escaped", because cd .. & ls Means go up a directory then list it. & is a command separator or something like that. && means execute the command that follows only if the preceding command executes successfully. Usernames should be A-Z, a-z, 0-9 and . _ with no other characters being reliably passed in shell or by MTAs. That probably means list names should be the same. + has a special meaning too, for VERP (variable envelope routing) Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From khera at kcilink.com Wed Dec 3 21:08:01 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:08:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] The & causing a problem In-Reply-To: <20031203190255.GA8752@mediadev.com> References: <3fce26a5.3aa.b0c.30446@cnc.bc.ca> <20031203190255.GA8752@mediadev.com> Message-ID: <16334.17057.309209.516573@yertle.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "SW" == Simon White writes: SW> The & in shell has a special meaning, it would have to be "escaped", SW> because If you read Business Week, the "Tech & You" column has a comment email address of tech&you at businessweek.com Just because the unix shell does something with & doesn't mean it is invalid for local part of email addresses. The Mailman aliases should protect that in any case, because it could be used as a vector for attack, even if it does require sysadmin assistance ;-) From ed at easent.net Wed Dec 3 21:26:21 2003 From: ed at easent.net (Ed) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:26:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] The & causing a problem In-Reply-To: <16334.17057.309209.516573@yertle.int.kciLink.com> References: <20031203190255.GA8752@mediadev.com> <3fce26a5.3aa.b0c.30446@cnc.bc.ca> <20031203190255.GA8752@mediadev.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20031203152025.00a804e0@mail.easent.net> While this is all true to some degree, don't overlook something even more obvious with regards to mailman, the web interface in trying to display that list name would actually be trying to display a page that takes a parameter. Apache / IIS would be significantly confused for sure. &'s are not valid in HTML file names as they specify a part of a parameter list on the url. It's always a good practice to stick with a-z 0-9 _-. only in names and you'll never have any sort of issue with email servers or web servers. just my 0.02 worth --Ed At 03:08 PM 12/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >>>>> "SW" == Simon White writes: > >SW> The & in shell has a special meaning, it would have to be "escaped", >SW> because > >If you read Business Week, the "Tech & You" column has a comment email >address of tech&you at businessweek.com > >Just because the unix shell does something with & doesn't mean it is >invalid for local part of email addresses. The Mailman aliases should >protect that in any case, because it could be used as a vector for >attack, even if it does require sysadmin assistance ;-) > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: ed at easent.net >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ed%40easent.net ______________________________________________________________ EAS*Ent.Net - World Class Web Hosting and Email Box Services www.easent.net From gagel at cnc.bc.ca Wed Dec 3 21:31:43 2003 From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (gagel at cnc.bc.ca) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 12:31:43 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] The & causing a problem Message-ID: <3fce482f.224.9c8.25717@cnc.bc.ca> I'm getting more confused by the second... I've removed the list and re-created it without the "&" in the name. What happend is I'm transfering from an old server to a new mailman server. The list created just fine and displays just fine. It seems postfix is recieving the list name seperated as two names instead of a single name. Messages to the old list server using the list name with the & in it are not a problem with postfix. But mailman must be doing or not doing something with postfix that caused the error. ----- Original Message Follows ----- > While this is all true to some degree, don't overlook something even > more obvious with regards to mailman, the web interface in trying > to display that list name would actually be trying to display a > page that takes a parameter. Apache / IIS would be significantly > confused for sure. &'s are not valid in HTML file names as they > specify a part of a parameter list on the url. > > It's always a good practice to stick with a-z 0-9 _-. only in names > and you'll never have any sort of issue with email servers or web > servers. > > just my 0.02 worth > --Ed > > At 03:08 PM 12/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > >>>>> "SW" == Simon White writes: > > > >SW> The & in shell has a special meaning, it would have to be > "escaped", >SW> because > > > >If you read Business Week, the "Tech & You" column has a comment > email >address of tech&you at businessweek.com > > > >Just because the unix shell does something with & doesn't mean it > is >invalid for local part of email addresses. The Mailman aliases > should >protect that in any case, because it could be used as a > vector for >attack, even if it does require sysadmin assistance ;-) > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ > >Mailman-Users mailing list > >Mailman-Users at python.org > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > >Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > >This message was sent to: ed at easent.net > >Unsubscribe or change your options at > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ed%40easent.ne > t > > ______________________________________________________________ > EAS*Ent.Net - World Class Web Hosting and Email Box Services > www.easent.net > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: gagel at cnc.bc.ca > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/gagel%40cnc.bc.ca ==================== Kevin W. Gagel Network Administrator (250) 561-5848 local 448 (250) 562-2131 local 448 -------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. -------------------------------------------------------------- From emechler+mailman at techometer.net Wed Dec 3 21:49:31 2003 From: emechler+mailman at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:49:31 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner fails to start Message-ID: <20031203204931.GK97846@techometer.net> I'm getting this error when I try to start the mailman qrunner daemon after upgrading to 2.1.3 from 2.0.13. Actually, I get this 10x, each one causing the qrunner process to die and spawn anew: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main qrunner.run() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 65, in run filecnt = self._oneloop() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 93, in _oneloop msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 158, in dequeue data = self._ext_read(dbfile) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 264, in _ext_read dict = marshal.load(fp) EOFError: EOF read where object expected The corresponding entries in the qrunner log is this: Dec 03 12:42:52 2003 (24329) IncomingRunner qrunner started. Dec 03 12:42:52 2003 (24300) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 24329, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Dec 03 12:42:52 2003 (24300) Qrunner IncomingRunner reached maximum restart limit of 10, not restarting. This is on FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE (Tue Dec 2 16:27:33 PST 2003), mailman 2.1.3, and Python 2.3.2 (both from ports). Has anybody seen this before, or perhaps know how I can do more debuggin'? Cheers - Erick From khera at kcilink.com Wed Dec 3 22:24:10 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:24:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] The & causing a problem In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20031203152025.00a804e0@mail.easent.net> References: <20031203190255.GA8752@mediadev.com> <3fce26a5.3aa.b0c.30446@cnc.bc.ca> <5.2.0.9.2.20031203152025.00a804e0@mail.easent.net> Message-ID: <16334.21626.285577.414457@yertle.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "e" == ed writes: e> parameter. Apache / IIS would be significantly confused for sure. &'s are e> not valid in HTML file names as they specify a part of a parameter list on e> the url. If the code isn't URI escaping things when needed, then it is a security breach waiting to happen. From thomas at btspuhler.com Thu Dec 4 01:55:43 2003 From: thomas at btspuhler.com (Thomas Spuhler) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:55:43 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading lists 2.0.X -> 2.1.X In-Reply-To: <87ptf5zvle.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> References: <87fzg4jp9w.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> <87ptf5zvle.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> Message-ID: <1070499343.4147.12.camel@aargau.btspuhler.com> I just did a ./bin/genaliases and after that the existing mailing list were ok. Tom On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 09:58, Morgan Fletcher wrote: > Morgan Fletcher writes: > > > Do I need to update the data under $prefix/lists/ when upgrading from 2.0.X > > to 2.1.X? If so, how? I don't see any mention of it in the 2.1.3 INSTALL or > > UPGRADING document, but when I try the upgrade with 2.0.8-era lists/ data, > > I get errors about missing properties. (fields?) > > Anyone? > > Morgan Fletcher > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: thomas at btspuhler.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/thomas%40btspuhler.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031203/04d2ad3e/attachment.pgp From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Dec 4 02:27:17 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 03 Dec 2003 20:27:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading lists 2.0.X -> 2.1.X In-Reply-To: <87ptf5zvle.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> References: <87fzg4jp9w.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> <87ptf5zvle.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> Message-ID: <1070497149.3225.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 11:58, Morgan Fletcher wrote: > Morgan Fletcher writes: > > > Do I need to update the data under $prefix/lists/ when upgrading from 2.0.X > > to 2.1.X? If so, how? I don't see any mention of it in the 2.1.3 INSTALL or > > UPGRADING document, but when I try the upgrade with 2.0.8-era lists/ data, > > I get errors about missing properties. (fields?) > > Anyone? > > Morgan Fletcher A problem that has been throughly discussed in archives sometimes goes unanswered when asked for the umpteenth time.... The first time that you access each list after an upgrade, Mailman will see that the list is an older 2.0 version and will automatically update the lists and the information in the list. The old config files will still be there, but now there will be new .pck configuration files that are used by Mailman 2.1. In general, you should go into each of your lists using the web-admin after an upgrade and make sure that the defaults used on that list are the ones that you want and need. Most of the problems occurring at this point are due to your not editing the new ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file and adding the new sections that it expects (browse the Defaults.py file for a clue as to what you need to add to this file after the upgrade). If you don't like the upgrade defaults (and most folks don't), and you then change the defaults so that they are more to your liking, then rename the generated .pck files and let mailman regenerate them again. You can also simply go into the web-admin for the list and make any changes there. The most commonly mis-understood upgrade item is the way that virtual domains are now done. You must explicitly identify your domain and any virtual domain that you use with any list. The domain information consists of the domain name used for mail and the web-address used for the web-administration of the list. Good luck - Jon Carnes From budhi19 at bi.itb.ac.id Thu Dec 4 03:19:38 2003 From: budhi19 at bi.itb.ac.id (b udhi19) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:19:38 +0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] test mail if mailman work or not? Message-ID: Hello there, i'm new to mailman, i have installing mailman 2.1.3 on my FBSD 5.1 machine and have postfix as my MTA, everything work well till i add my e-mail to list, but when i'm trying to send mail to my list, it sent, but it's not sent to other members i've try this : jalak# ps -aux | grep mailmanctl | grep -v grep mailman 14157 0.0 0.0 7408 12 ?? Is 7:54AM 0:00.04 /usr/local/bin/python ./mailmanctl start jalak# ps -aux | grep cron | grep -v grep root 416 0.0 0.3 1300 200 ?? Is 12:09AM 0:00.30 /usr/sbin/cron and set newaliases, any idea what's wrong...? i've been looking for archives and manual but maybe i'm not smart enough, so i still get stuck... any suggestion? regard, Budhi From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Dec 4 03:41:21 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 03 Dec 2003 21:41:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple/Redundant Mailman servers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1070497678.3225.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 13:41, Charlie Watts wrote: > What's the "Best Current Practice" for running Multiple or Redundant > Mailman servers? > > I have a distributed mail system - centralized local message store, and > many SMTP/POP heads. I'd *like* to be able to run Mailman on all of them, > with the same lists and configs. > > Currently I NFS mount the configs for many other software packages, and it > works well. > > I've tried NFS mounting /usr/local/mailman, and making qfiles a symlink to > a local directory on each machine. This doesn't work; I get messages > shunted because of Stale NFS filehandles and permission errors, even > though check_perms says I'm good. > > If this simply isn't possible, I can shunt all of the mail to a central > list server, and just back-up mailman so I can bring it up elsewhere if > necessary. > > But I'd love to have a way to do this. I use LVS at one site for this (you can search the archives and find all the details you want), some folks use NFS and love it. I'm comfortable having one server as a master and only doing the changes to the master, then echoing those changes out to the slaves. One of the slaves takes over as Master should the Master ever go down. Take care - Jon Carnes From box99 at ntlworld.com Thu Dec 4 09:54:53 2003 From: box99 at ntlworld.com (david.gordon) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:54:53 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing domain Message-ID: <20031204085453.2520@smtp.ntlworld.com> Hello I'm running Mailman 2.0.13 with two lists. When I set the lists up I used the domain name epuk.thenexus.co.uk (a sub-domain at our host) in order to run the list immediately and not have to wait for the DNS to update our epuk.org domain. I subsequently updated the "Base URL for Mailman web interface" to http://www.epuk.org/mailman/ and everything works fine and as expected. However the monthly password reminder and other administrative messages still come from the epuk.thenexus.co.uk address. As we have now moved away from this host I need to change the domain mailman-owner sends mail from - but where and how? -- david.gordon From emechler+mailman at techometer.net Thu Dec 4 10:17:49 2003 From: emechler+mailman at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 01:17:49 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner fails to start Message-ID: <20031204091749.GB97846@techometer.net> (Following up with a self-post just for archival purposes) :: I'm getting this error when I try to start the mailman qrunner daemon after :: upgrading to 2.1.3 from 2.0.13. Actually, I get this 10x, each one causing :: the qrunner process to die and spawn anew: :: File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 264, in _ext_read :: dict = marshal.load(fp) :: EOFError: EOF read where object expected If you get a marshal.load error, chances are it's a problem loading one of the Marshal .db files somewhere underneath your Mailman $PREFIX. In some other posts, I've seen problems with the list config.db files, and the list request.db files getting corrupted. However, my specific problem was with a damaged queue file in $PREFIX/qfiles/in/. If you get this error, run the marshal.load() routine on each of your .db files to see which one is causing the problem. I used a modified version of the code originally written by Cillian Sharkey in this post: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2001-December/010269.html Cheers - Erick From snq at crontabs.de Thu Dec 4 11:11:12 2003 From: snq at crontabs.de (Andre Nicklas) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 11:11:12 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Debian/qmail/Mailman question Message-ID: <3FCF0840.9000603@crontabs.de> Good morning, I have a problem with a Debian system running qmail as its MTA using vpopmail for virtual domains. I configured Mailman to use the qmail-to-mailman.py but when sending mails to the list i get an error message from the script: Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mail.blah.de. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : TO ACCESS THE MAILING LIST SYSTEM: Start your web browser on http://lists.blah.de/ That web page will help you subscribe or unsubscribe, and will give you directions on how to post to each mailing list. Skimming over the python script gave me the impression that the bounce function is being called to create that message. I can't imagine why, permissions are okay, IMHO. Does anyone know about that problem? I can't think of any solutions.... Best regards, Andre Nicklas From simon at caperet.com Thu Dec 4 11:29:16 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:29:16 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail not sent: unknown encoding? Message-ID: <20031204102916.GH12374@mediadev.com> >From error log: +-+-+ Dec 02 00:31:22 2003 (10105) Uncaught runner exception: unknown encoding Dec 02 00:31:22 2003 (10105) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 75, in process prefix_subject(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 262, in prefix_subject h.append(s, c) File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 285, in append s = s.encode(outcodec, errors) LookupError: unknown encoding +-+-+ Why did this message not go out? Where else can I look for clues? Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From cajun at cajuninc.com Thu Dec 4 11:41:00 2003 From: cajun at cajuninc.com (M. Lewis) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 02:41:00 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-2.1 / Postfix 2.0 problems Message-ID: <200312040241.00747.cajun@cajuninc.com> I'm running Mailman -2.1.1-4 and Postfix-2.0.16-4. Monday morning at 5:00am my logs started filling with messages. As close as I can pin down what initiated the problem was the sending out of users passwords as that cron job starts at 5:00am on the first of the month. Since that time, mailman is logging the following errors to smtp-failures: Dec 04 02:14:21 2003 (16062) delivery to benncorley at yahoo.com failed with code 450: : Sender address rejected: Domain not found Dec 04 02:14:23 2003 (16062) delivery to robert-kuruupkat at comcast.net failed with code 450: : Sender address rejected: Domain not found Dec 04 02:14:25 2003 (16062) delivery to ed at bearorifice.com failed with code 450: : Sender address rejected: Domain not found Dec 04 02:14:27 2003 (16062) delivery to cpm at bitket.com failed with code 450: : Sender address rejected: Domain not found As you can see, the messages are every two seconds apart. So you can imagine how many of these messages I've gotten since 5:00am Monday. My guess is it is a problem with Mailman and it's config somehow. What is strange though is Mailman has been running fine for quite some time now. It hasn't been upgraded or touched. I have recently upgraded Postfix to v2.0 so I assume there is some interaction between that upgrade and the mailman config. Is there an easy way of fixing this problem short of deleting all lists and re-creating them? I'd hate to lose the archives and have to re-create the lists. I have searched the archives, but haven't really found anything that seemed appropriate. Thanks for any pointers! Mike -- System going down at 5 pm to install scheduler bug. 02:10:01 up 13 days, 39 min, 7 users, load average: 0.36, 0.13, 0.10 From simon at caperet.com Thu Dec 4 11:53:02 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:53:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail not sent: unknown encoding? In-Reply-To: <20031204102916.GH12374@mediadev.com> References: <20031204102916.GH12374@mediadev.com> Message-ID: <20031204105302.GI12374@mediadev.com> 04-Dec-03 at 11:29, Simon White (simon at caperet.com) wrote : > >From error log: > > +-+-+ > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 262, > in prefix_subject > h.append(s, c) > File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 285, in > append > s = s.encode(outcodec, errors) > LookupError: unknown encoding > +-+-+ > > Why did this message not go out? Where else can I look for clues? I've had a bit of a dig around, and there is an additional line that might be useful: error:Dec 02 00:31:22 2003 (10105) SHUNTING: 1070321356.34+ec99e9abf81cb9cfc97f800c236baa2e64f19faa this message is now in qfiles/shunt I can't try unshunting it right now because if that works the server will saturate, there are about 13,000 subscribers and the server is too busy during the day to handle that. Indeed the message is a little out of date and needs updating, so how can I just get rid of it? Is it safe to delete the .db and .pck files in qfiles/shunt? The message in question had a French subject line with one 8 bit character (?)... could that have caused problems? Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From Martin.Hugo at wilmington.k12.oh.us Thu Dec 4 14:54:55 2003 From: Martin.Hugo at wilmington.k12.oh.us (Martin Hugo) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:54:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation Emails Bouncing Message-ID: <1EA9A124E27E9D4A8FBA16822ACF6DB9FC76@wcsmail2.wcs.wilmington.k12.oh.us> Hello Everyone: I have built a new Linux box (Debian distro) and installed Mailman using a deb package. I can create lists and go to the web pages to subscribe but when I reply to a subscription confirmation email I get the following error: Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: RE: Admins -- confirmation of subscription -- request 126336 Sent: 12/4/2003 7:39 AM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: 'admins-request at list.wilmington.k12.oh.us' on 12/4/2003 7:39 AM There was a SMTP communication problem with the recipient's email server. Please contact your system administrator. > Have I missed a step when I created my lists? TIA Marty From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Dec 4 15:13:07 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 04 Dec 2003 09:13:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-2.1 / Postfix 2.0 problems In-Reply-To: <200312040241.00747.cajun@cajuninc.com> References: <200312040241.00747.cajun@cajuninc.com> Message-ID: <1070547186.3249.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 05:41, M. Lewis wrote: > I'm running Mailman -2.1.1-4 and Postfix-2.0.16-4. > > Monday morning at 5:00am my logs started filling with messages. As close as I > can pin down what initiated the problem was the sending out of users > passwords as that cron job starts at 5:00am on the first of the month. > > Since that time, mailman is logging the following errors to smtp-failures: > > Dec 04 02:14:21 2003 (16062) delivery to benncorley at yahoo.com failed with code > 450: : Sender address rejected: Domain > not found > Dec 04 02:14:23 2003 (16062) delivery to robert-kuruupkat at comcast.net failed > with code 450: : Sender address > rejected: Domain not found > Dec 04 02:14:25 2003 (16062) delivery to ed at bearorifice.com failed with code > 450: : Sender address rejected: Domain > not found > Dec 04 02:14:27 2003 (16062) delivery to cpm at bitket.com failed with code 450: > : Sender address rejected: Domain not > found > > As you can see, the messages are every two seconds apart. So you can imagine > how many of these messages I've gotten since 5:00am Monday. > > My guess is it is a problem with Mailman and it's config somehow. What is > strange though is Mailman has been running fine for quite some time now. It > hasn't been upgraded or touched. I have recently upgraded Postfix to v2.0 so > I assume there is some interaction between that upgrade and the mailman > config. > > Is there an easy way of fixing this problem short of deleting all lists and > re-creating them? I'd hate to lose the archives and have to re-create the > lists. I have searched the archives, but haven't really found anything that > seemed appropriate. > > Thanks for any pointers! > Mike I'm positively stunned sometimes by some of these... Not to be too disparaging, but you recently upgraded Postfix and now "Mailman" is giving you errors, sooooooo naturally the problem *must* be Mailman? Alright. Well then go into ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and modify the following... DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost.localdomain' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'localhost.localdomain' # host exists and is resolvable (i.e., if it's the # default of "localhost" be # sure there's a localhost entry in your /etc/hosts file!) SMTPHOST = 'localhost' Obviously your old Postfix accepted any locally sent mail - mail sent directly from applications running on the server. Now, I understand not accepting mail from "localhost.localdomain" as a lot of Newbies have that as their servers host name, but really you should loosen up on your Postfix rule sets and accept any mail from 127.0.0.1 (and make sure that Mailman uses that as the delivery address - it's the default). That will also fix this particular problem. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Dec 4 15:18:01 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 04 Dec 2003 09:18:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail not sent: unknown encoding? In-Reply-To: <20031204105302.GI12374@mediadev.com> References: <20031204102916.GH12374@mediadev.com> <20031204105302.GI12374@mediadev.com> Message-ID: <1070547481.3249.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 05:53, Simon White wrote: > 04-Dec-03 at 11:29, Simon White (simon at caperet.com) wrote : > > >From error log: > > > > +-+-+ > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 262, > > in prefix_subject > > h.append(s, c) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 285, in > > append > > s = s.encode(outcodec, errors) > > LookupError: unknown encoding > > +-+-+ > > > > Why did this message not go out? Where else can I look for clues? Look at the message itself. Looks like the message was encoded (or tagged) with a value that Python doesn't understand - so it booted it. > > I've had a bit of a dig around, and there is an additional line that > might be useful: > > error:Dec 02 00:31:22 2003 (10105) SHUNTING: > 1070321356.34+ec99e9abf81cb9cfc97f800c236baa2e64f19faa > > this message is now in qfiles/shunt > > I can't try unshunting it right now because if that works the server > will saturate, there are about 13,000 subscribers and the server is too > busy during the day to handle that. Indeed the message is a little out > of date and needs updating, so how can I just get rid of it? Is it safe > to delete the .db and .pck files in qfiles/shunt? Yes. > > The message in question had a French subject line with one 8 bit > character (?)... could that have caused problems? Yes. From simon at caperet.com Thu Dec 4 15:39:23 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:39:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail not sent: unknown encoding? In-Reply-To: <1070547481.3249.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20031204102916.GH12374@mediadev.com> <20031204105302.GI12374@mediadev.com> <1070547481.3249.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031204143923.GQ12374@mediadev.com> 04-Dec-03 at 09:18, Jon Carnes (jonc at nc.rr.com) wrote : > On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 05:53, Simon White wrote: > > 04-Dec-03 at 11:29, Simon White (simon at caperet.com) wrote : > > > >From error log: > > > > > > +-+-+ > > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 262, > > > in prefix_subject > > > h.append(s, c) > > > File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 285, in > > > append > > > s = s.encode(outcodec, errors) > > > LookupError: unknown encoding > > > +-+-+ > > > > > > Why did this message not go out? Where else can I look for clues? > > Look at the message itself. Looks like the message was encoded (or > tagged) with a value that Python doesn't understand - so it booted it. > > The message in question had a French subject line with one 8 bit > > character (?)... could that have caused problems? > > Yes. Hi, Thanks a lot for your response. Clearly someone's mail software is putting in 8 bit headers, not encoding them using RFC 2047, and therefore Mailman is shunting the mail. At least I know what to look for now. Is there any resource I can read (bar the source) on how 8 bit headers / bodies are treated? Does Mailman clobber 8 bit bodies, etc etc? Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From mundaun at gmx.ch Thu Dec 4 15:40:11 2003 From: mundaun at gmx.ch (Michael Stucki) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 15:40:11 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject by default - will the spam increase? Message-ID: Hi all, due to a big spam amount, I have switched my lists to only accept mails from list members. After to weeks of production use, I note that many people use a wrong email address (not the one they used for the subscription). Therefore, I'd like to send a rejection response on all messages from such non-members. My question is: Since spammers are non-mebmers as well, will their bots understand my response as a validation (this address is being read) or will he handle it as an error response and probably delete it from the list? What would you do? Thanks - michael From johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Thu Dec 4 15:55:27 2003 From: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu (Chris Johnson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:55:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject by default - will the spam increase? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Michael Stucki wrote: > Hi all, > > due to a big spam amount, I have switched my lists to only accept mails from > list members. > > After to weeks of production use, I note that many people use a wrong email > address (not the one they used for the subscription). > > Therefore, I'd like to send a rejection response on all messages from such > non-members. > > My question is: Since spammers are non-mebmers as well, will their bots > understand my response as a validation (this address is being read) or will > he handle it as an error response and probably delete it from the list? > > What would you do? > > Thanks - michael > > > They will see any response as a notice that there is something there to receive mail and to which more annoying spam can be sent. If this is a unix/linux system try MailScanner and SpamAssassin. That's what we did. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 149 (2301) 13th Street |Survival, all by it self, isn't worth it. Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA | Me ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From brent_s at treca.org Thu Dec 4 16:09:44 2003 From: brent_s at treca.org (Brent Shafer) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:09:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with ./configure to install Mailman Message-ID: I'm just starting out with Mailman and have limited experience with Linux. When I attempt to configure the Mailman installation, I get the following message: [mailman at localhost Mailman]$ cd mailman-2.1.3 [mailman at localhost mailman-2.1.3]$ ./configure checking for --with-python... no checking for python... /usr/bin/python checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python checking Python version... 2.2.1 checking that Python has a working distutils... configure: error: ***** Distutils is not available or is incomplete for /usr/bin/python ***** If you installed Python from RPM (or other package manager) ***** be sure to install the -devel package, or install Python ***** from source. See README.LINUX for details Python is installed on my RedHat Linux 8.0 server, but how do I get the distutils to work properly? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Sincerely, Brent Shafer From simon at caperet.com Thu Dec 4 16:21:15 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 16:21:15 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with ./configure to install Mailman In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031204152115.GR12374@mediadev.com> 04-Dec-03 at 10:09, Brent Shafer (brent_s at treca.org) wrote : > I'm just starting out with Mailman and have limited experience with > Linux. > When I attempt to configure the Mailman installation, I get the > following message: > > [mailman at localhost Mailman]$ cd mailman-2.1.3 > [mailman at localhost mailman-2.1.3]$ ./configure > checking for --with-python... no > checking for python... /usr/bin/python > checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python > checking Python version... 2.2.1 > checking that Python has a working distutils... configure: error: > > ***** Distutils is not available or is incomplete for /usr/bin/python > ***** If you installed Python from RPM (or other package manager) > ***** be sure to install the -devel package, or install Python > ***** from source. See README.LINUX for details > > Python is installed on my RedHat Linux 8.0 server, but how do I get the > distutils to work properly? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! Check, like it says, if you have the python-devel package installed. RedHat may not have it. You will need it for Mailman. # rpm -q python-devel if memory serves, is the command you need. If it doesn't print anything as output, then you need to find the -devel RPM of the same version of Python that you have and install it. That means if you have python-2.2.1-17.i386.rpm then you need python-devel-2.2.1-17.i386.rpm (these are the stock RH8.0 RPMs for Python) TIP: you could do this: # rpm -qa | grep python to find all python related RPMs installed. If python-devel-2.2.1-17.i386.rpm isn't among them, then you need to install it. Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From james at che.utexas.edu Thu Dec 4 17:54:01 2003 From: james at che.utexas.edu (James Hammett) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:54:01 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regular expression for sender to list not matching domain Message-ID: I've got a couple of lists which handle different subgroups in our department. I've been trying to change the settings so that anyone in our DNS domain can send to these lists. On: http://mailhost/mailman/admin//privacy/sender In the: List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted. (Details for accept_these_nonmembers) I've put: ^@che.utexas.edu That doesn't work. I've tried ^\*@che.utexas.edu Don't work. I'm sure its a simple solution, but right now I don't see it. (Following the isntructions doesn't work). Anyone know whats up. thanks, James -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- James Hammett Users Services / Server and Lab Administration (SLAM) Information Technology Services ( (ITS) CPE 4.442 Chemical Engineering Unix Support 471-9701 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- An injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere - MLK jr. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From brent_s at treca.org Thu Dec 4 18:04:49 2003 From: brent_s at treca.org (Brent Shafer) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:04:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] GCC Installation for Compiling Mailman Message-ID: With your guidance, I have successfully update the python distutil's... which brings me to my next installation issue... I received the following message: [mailman at localhost mailman-2.1.3]$ ./configure checking for --with-python... no checking for python... /usr/bin/python checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python checking Python version... 2.2.1 checking that Python has a working distutils... yes checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes checking for true... /bin/true checking for --without-gcc... no checking for gcc... no checking for cc... no checking for cc... no checking for cl... no configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH See `config.log' for more details. So... I've downloaded GCC 3.3.2 but cannot get it to configure properly as I get the following error: [mailman at localhost mailman]$ cd gcc-3.3.2 [mailman at localhost gcc-3.3.2]$ ./configure Configuring for a i686-pc-linux-gnuoldld host. Created "Makefile" in /home/mailman/gcc-3.3.2 using "mt-frag" ../configure: line 8: cc: command not found *** The command 'cc -o conftest -g conftest.c' failed. *** You must set the environment variable CC to a working compiler. [mailman at localhost gcc-3.3.2]$ Also, are there any other problems that I can expect to run into as I go along with this setup or should this be the final hurdle to jump? Thanks for all of your help so far! Sincerely, Brent Shafer From donovan at beth.k12.pa.us Thu Dec 4 18:10:31 2003 From: donovan at beth.k12.pa.us (Jeff Donovan) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:10:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Max reciepients Message-ID: greetings i have created a bunch of lists. Now i just noticed that the max_num_recipients is set to 10 on all messages. I have to go to all of my lists and set this to ' 0 '. Why does this not make sense to me? If i have 76 users, shouldn't all 76 users be allowed to recieve the messages posted to the list without moderator approval? What if more members join?, So therefore i have to eliminate this number and add a zero. Shouldn't it be 76+ ? Is there a way to change this setting for all of my users? --jeff ----------------------------------- jeff donovan basd network operations (610) 807 5571 x4 AIM xtdonovan From simon at caperet.com Thu Dec 4 18:13:06 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:13:06 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] GCC Installation for Compiling Mailman In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031204171306.GA12374@mediadev.com> 04-Dec-03 at 12:04, Brent Shafer (brent_s at treca.org) wrote : > So... I've downloaded GCC 3.3.2 but cannot get it to configure > properly as I get the following error: > > [mailman at localhost mailman]$ cd gcc-3.3.2 > [mailman at localhost gcc-3.3.2]$ ./configure > Configuring for a i686-pc-linux-gnuoldld host. > Created "Makefile" in /home/mailman/gcc-3.3.2 using "mt-frag" > ../configure: line 8: cc: command not found > *** The command 'cc -o conftest -g conftest.c' failed. > *** You must set the environment variable CC to a working compiler. > [mailman at localhost gcc-3.3.2]$ > > Also, are there any other problems that I can expect to run into as I go > along with this setup or should this be the final hurdle to jump? > If you don't already have a compiler, you can't compile a compiler :) So you'll have to get a binary, probably your best bet is to install the gcc RPM. There's all sorts of stuff you'll also need, that's really outside the scope of a Mailman mailing list; does RedHat have some sort of dependency checking? You need the compiler plus tools and all that. If I recall correctly it's quite a list of stuff! If your install didn't already have developer tools and a compiler, it's a lot more difficult than choosing the compiler at install time, which will make sure you have everything you need. Maybe there's a Mailman RPM you could use instead of compiling everything, I wonder if anyone on the list has a good source for a Mailman RPM for RH8.0? Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From andrew.b.watson at nasa.gov Tue Dec 2 20:52:22 2003 From: andrew.b.watson at nasa.gov (Andrew Watson) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:52:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My lists appear to be working fine, but... In preparing for an upgrade, i was scanning the files in my mailman directory. In the logs directory, I found one named qrunner, 52 MB in size. In looking at the contents, I found a pattern of error reports, about 2 per minute, of the following form: Dec 01 18:59:01 2003 (68374) Exception reading qfile: /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/7a7baddd735b00123d23c50888c8cdc435105eee [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/7a7baddd735b00123d23c50888c8cdc435105eee.db' Dec 01 18:59:01 2003 (68374) Exception reading qfile: /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/869fcb5218865c09d37a448a3259b014a7e6ee4d [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/869fcb5218865c09d37a448a3259b014a7e6ee4d.db' My questions are: 1) what is this error? 2) can it be fixed? 3) can it be ignored? -- -Andrew From justin at jwpauler.org Thu Dec 4 04:05:14 2003 From: justin at jwpauler.org (Justin W. Pauler) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:05:14 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuration Question Message-ID: <20031204030504.CVOL1909.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@jwpaulerhome> To Whom It May Concern: I'm trying to get my mailman configuration correct, but I'm having trouble selecting the right options. More or less, I need to configure the list to allow anyone to post and then receive a notice saying that the post was sent to the 'Support Team'. Only those people whom I have subscribed manually will receive the message, but most importantly, this message will forward directly to the list without requiring moderator approval. I'm trying to set this up for users to forward trouble tickets directly to our staff of volunteers. Any ideas? -- Justin W. Pauler E-Mail: justin at jwpauler.org WWW: http://www.jwpauler.org From john.meredith at aperio.co.uk Thu Dec 4 14:04:26 2003 From: john.meredith at aperio.co.uk (John Meredith) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:04:26 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with mailman Message-ID: <8B2E33181725D04AB610526D00319FAD0698CF@aperio1.aperiocouk.local> Mailman is provided as part of my new hosting package and i run a site for qa new rock band. i need a mailing list with automatic subscription/unsubscribe options that put it in charge of the user, and the ability for only myself to send out mail with gig dates and news etc. Can Mailman do this, and how? Is there a walkthrough on the web for this kind of use? Help is kindly appreciated, -------------------------- John Meredith Aperio Limited Focal Point Newmarket Road Bottisham Cambridge CB5 9BD Registered in England, No. 3235409 t. +44 (0)870 600 80 50 f. +44 (0)870 600 80 40 e. john.meredith at aperio.co.uk Engineering Information Through Technology -------------------------- From support at octadyne.com Thu Dec 4 17:23:13 2003 From: support at octadyne.com (John Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:23:13 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding subscriber names Message-ID: <000801c3ba82$ea530510$0700a8c0@octron> Greetings- I have a question: is there a method to add the subscriber names, in addition to e-mail addresses, en masse? That would be really usefule to me. GNU Peace, Ron Carson Octadyne Systems From KTaylor at stginternational.com Thu Dec 4 17:37:53 2003 From: KTaylor at stginternational.com (Kent Taylor) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:37:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Our Mailman web server is listening on port 81 (not 80) Message-ID: Hello, Our Mailman web server is listening on port 81 (not 80). I modified the config lines in mm_cfg.py to read... DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mail.stginternational.com:81' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'stginternational.com' ...but all the links that Mailman creates omit the :81 portion of the URL, and therefore are incorrect. Example: http://mail.stginternational.com:81/mailman/listinfo contains a link to "the list admin overview page ", which points to http://mail.stginternational.com/mailman/admin rather than http://mail.stginternational.com:81/mailman/admin as it should. I tried, unsuccessfully, messing with fix_url.py. What's the right way to do this? Thank you for your help. /kpt Kent Taylor The Recruiting Team National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases National Institutes of Health Biodefense Research Careers Voice: 703.578.8201, ext 217 Fax:: 703.578.4532 Tollfree: 888.798.4991 Email: ktaylor at stginternational.com http://healthresearch.niaid.nih.gov/omni/ From bruno at gideon.net Tue Dec 2 19:57:13 2003 From: bruno at gideon.net (Bruno Gideon) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:57:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] newlsetter Message-ID: <003401c3b906$1ba6bb80$0d02a8c0@brunogideon> Good afternoon, I have a newsletter that I send out every week to several hundred subscribers. It is a closed newsletter (no-one can reply to it). Can I use mailman for this purpose? And how much would it cost? Thank you for your input. Bruno Gideon www.brunogideon.com From Michael at Jasinski.com Wed Dec 3 01:33:43 2003 From: Michael at Jasinski.com (Michael Jasinski) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:33:43 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Send Limits : ? Max # of members ? Message-ID: <000201c3b935$1cc825b0$0401a8c0@MJX2Michael> Hi - to whom it may concern : We have maillist and are using the program provided by our hosting company. However they seem to have limited knowledge so I need to ask someone ASAP.... What is the mail list size limit: Max # of members? Max # of members that one list can send? If limited, by how much and what happened to excess members. We are on ver. 2.1.3 We currently have something like 10,000 + members in one list, however, I don't feel all are getting them. I which I could tell. Anyway we were told the max was 1,000 per list so to break the 10,000 into sub groups? True? We are not high tech here, but are heavy mailman users for our private database / membership. THANK FOR ANY DIRECTION or HELP IN ADVANCE ! Michael Michael at Jasinski.com (Email not for public distribution) From kdesign at orange.net Wed Dec 3 17:03:10 2003 From: kdesign at orange.net (kenny mathieson) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:03:10 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] a little help? Message-ID: <31493FE8-25AA-11D8-B7C2-003065DC270E@orange.net> dear folks, i'm sorry to bother you with this but i really need some help here. i am a complete layman when it comes to complex emailing, and am trying to set up a mailing list (by the term mailing list, i mean to simply send newsletters to a large group of people without disclosing everybody's email address). this is not for spamming purposes, i have set up a website for a band and need to learn this for legitimate mailshots to a list of addresses we have collected whilst on tour. i briefly checked the mailman user lists and couldn't make head nor tail of them, let alone search for pertinant info. firstly, do i need to use mailman for this purpose or is there another (simpler) way? i'm not looking for you guys to spoon-feed me through this process (i understand you have better things to do with your lives), but if there was a place i could get easy to understand instructions on how to set up a mailshot system i would be greatly appreciative if you could point me in the right direction. yours, kenny mathieson From josh at westmouthbay.com Thu Dec 4 03:11:55 2003 From: josh at westmouthbay.com (josh) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:11:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] User unknown Message-ID: <1070503915.3246.18.camel@localhost> I am attempting to get get mailman working on fedora 1. It looked like it was pretty much preinstalled and the service is running. I attempted to create a list using web interface and it looked like I did. However, when I send mail to it-- it bounces back complaininig that there isn't such a user. I wouldn't think I would have to manually add aliases in my /etc/aliases file if there is a web interface. Even so, I tried it -- to no avail (and ran newaliases). I'm running sendmail, and it is working fine. Why is it complaining about postfix? any ideas? thanks -josh This is the Postfix program at host localhost. I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. For further assistance, please send mail to If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the message returned below. The Postfix program : host westmouthbay.com[66.56.222.228] said: 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown (in reply to RCPT TO command) From nicolamenicacci at nicolamenicacci.com Thu Dec 4 15:04:18 2003 From: nicolamenicacci at nicolamenicacci.com (Nicola Menicacci) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:04:18 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Seriosu problems Message-ID: <001101c3ba6f$86ab1100$cf560b3e@oemcomputer> Hello, I'm having problems with my mailing lists which messages are delivered through your software ( registered with hostvector.com). In short, I can send messages to the list, whose address exists, but the messages never reach the subscribers. The thing lingers on since Monday, and at hostvector they seem not to know the reason. Email service works perfectly, but the lists really never respond since that day. Can you help me? I'd really appreciate. Thanks a lot in advance Nicola Menicacci http://www.nicolamenicacci.com nicolamenicacci at nicolamenicacci.com From ngu at co.henrico.va.us Thu Dec 4 18:14:50 2003 From: ngu at co.henrico.va.us (Nguyen, Tri) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:14:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List creator's (authentication) password Message-ID: Hello, I would like to create a new mailing list for Mailman but I could not since I do not know what the List creator's (authentication) password is. I got Mailman running in Redhat 9.0. If any helps can be provided, I am really appreciated. Thanks a lot. Tri Nguyen From simon at caperet.com Thu Dec 4 18:21:16 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:21:16 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] newlsetter In-Reply-To: <003401c3b906$1ba6bb80$0d02a8c0@brunogideon> References: <003401c3b906$1ba6bb80$0d02a8c0@brunogideon> Message-ID: <20031204172115.GC12374@mediadev.com> 02-Dec-03 at 13:57, Bruno Gideon (bruno at gideon.net) wrote : > I have a newsletter that I send out every week to several hundred > subscribers. It is a closed newsletter (no-one can reply to it). Can I use > mailman for this purpose? And how much would it cost? I administer a list with 13,000+ subscribers which is closed - I just set the list to be fully moderated and refuse any mails that come in (fairly rare, because people who hit reply are pointed directly to the original sender of the newsletter). I approve just those postings which are newsletters. Mailman is completely free; the program and source code is provided under the GNU General Public License. See http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From gagel at cnc.bc.ca Thu Dec 4 18:34:52 2003 From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (gagel at cnc.bc.ca) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:34:52 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding subscriber names Message-ID: <3fcf703c.130.75c.11068@cnc.bc.ca> Yes. The format is: "The Name" One per line, use the list's Mass Subscription page. ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Greetings- > > I have a question: is there a method to add the subscriber names, in > addition to e-mail addresses, en masse? That would be really usefule > to me. > > GNU Peace, > > Ron Carson > Octadyne Systems > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: gagel at cnc.bc.ca > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/gagel%40cnc.bc.ca ==================== Kevin W. Gagel Network Administrator (250) 561-5848 local 448 (250) 562-2131 local 448 -------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. -------------------------------------------------------------- From mark at pdc-racing.net Thu Dec 4 18:35:16 2003 From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:35:16 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding subscriber names In-Reply-To: <000801c3ba82$ea530510$0700a8c0@octron> References: <000801c3ba82$ea530510$0700a8c0@octron> Message-ID: <391C0A26-2680-11D8-9A9D-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net> On Dec 4, 2003, at 8:23 AM, John Smith wrote: > I have a question: is there a method to add the subscriber names, in > addition to e-mail addresses, en masse? That would be really usefule > to me. List the names in this format: Real Name It'll add both to the database. - Mark ----- mark at pdc-racing.net From clayno at w4cl.net Thu Dec 4 18:39:19 2003 From: clayno at w4cl.net (Charles Layno) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:39:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] User unknown In-Reply-To: <1070503915.3246.18.camel@localhost> References: <1070503915.3246.18.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200312041239.19452.clayno@w4cl.net> What did you have to do to get Mailman running under FC1. When I go to the mailman/listinfo page I get a bunch of python error messages, and if I try and do a command line list serach or member find, I get a lot of python error messages. Charles Layno Greensboro, NC On Wednesday 03 December 2003 21:11, josh wrote: > I am attempting to get get mailman working on fedora 1. It looked like > it was pretty much preinstalled and the service is running. > > I attempted to create a list using web interface and it looked like I > did. However, when I send mail to it-- it bounces back complaininig > that there isn't such a user. I wouldn't think I would have to manually > add aliases in my /etc/aliases file if there is a web interface. Even > so, I tried it -- to no avail (and ran newaliases). > > I'm running sendmail, and it is working fine. Why is it complaining > about postfix? > > > any ideas? > > thanks > > -josh > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the Postfix program at host localhost. > > I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned > below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. > > For further assistance, please send mail to > > If you do so, please include this problem report. You can > delete your own text from the message returned below. > > The Postfix program > > : host westmouthbay.com[66.56.222.228] said: > 550 5.1.1 > ... User unknown (in reply to RCPT TO > command) > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: clayno at w4cl.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/clayno%40w4cl.net From emechler+mailman at techometer.net Thu Dec 4 18:58:50 2003 From: emechler+mailman at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:58:50 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Seriosu problems In-Reply-To: <001101c3ba6f$86ab1100$cf560b3e@oemcomputer> References: <001101c3ba6f$86ab1100$cf560b3e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20031204175850.GG97846@techometer.net> :: In short, I can send messages to the list, whose address exists, but the :: messages never reach the subscribers. Is your queue runner still running? From emechler+mailman at techometer.net Thu Dec 4 19:02:43 2003 From: emechler+mailman at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:02:43 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List creator's (authentication) password In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031204180243.GH97846@techometer.net> :: I would like to create a new mailing list for Mailman but I could not :: since I do not know what the List creator's (authentication) password is. You can re-create the admin password using the ~mailman/mmsitepass script. Cheers - Erick From emechler+mailman at techometer.net Thu Dec 4 19:36:20 2003 From: emechler+mailman at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:36:20 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem updating config through admin pages Message-ID: <20031204183620.GI97846@techometer.net> I recently upgraded a bunch of lists from 2.0.13 to 2.1.3. Everything is working fine so far except that I can't make changes to *new* list configs through the web interface (modifying configs for old lists work just fine). If I try to change something on a new list as the list admin, I hit Submit, and the referring page is returned w/o errors, but nothing is modified in the lists' config.pck file. I am able to change list parameters using the config_list script, and the changes are properly reflected in the web interface. I'm running mailman 2.1.3 on FreeBSD-STABLE with Python 2.3.2 (both from ports). My webserver is apache+mod_ssl-1.3.28+2.8.15_1. Thanks in advance for any help/suggestions you can throw my way. Cheers - Erick From mw at wood-floors-ireland.com Thu Dec 4 16:55:55 2003 From: mw at wood-floors-ireland.com (Mike Winnett) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:55:55 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Viewing this list (digest) in OE and question re spammers References: Message-ID: <007701c3ba96$0d9e1330$1100a8c0@mshome.net> I joined this list several months ago (digest) as I planned to move my lists from majordomo to mailman and thought I'd play it smart and have a load of digests to look through, I had found the greatcircle list helpful when I was on Majordomo. Now I've made the move, but when I went to the digests folder in OE it informed me that it was not letting me see the attachments, it seems OE thought they might be viruses or something. Anyway I've deleted them all and changed my options at Python to Plain Text which works fine, I get the digest as one long textfile. Is there a way to configure Outlook Ex not to do this? One Mailman query, my lists archive all posts automatically, I've set it so that only list subcribers can see the archives, how will that affect spammers who want to harvest addresses? Are they currently joining lists in order to get the addresses? Hope these queries are appropriate, I've run my lists on listproc, ezmlm, majordomo, and now mailman, and I still don't know what I'm doing. regards mick winnett From KTaylor at stginternational.com Thu Dec 4 20:05:05 2003 From: KTaylor at stginternational.com (Kent Taylor) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 14:05:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Our Mailman web server is listening on port 81 (not 80) Message-ID: Hello, Our Mailman web server is listening on port 81 (not 80). I modified the config lines in mm_cfg.py to read... DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mail.stginternational.com:81' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'stginternational.com' ...but all the links that Mailman creates omit the :81 portion of the URL, and therefore are incorrect. Example: http://mail.stginternational.com:81/mailman/listinfo contains a link to "the list admin overview page ", which points to http://mail.stginternational.com/mailman/admin rather than http://mail.stginternational.com:81/mailman/admin as it should. I tried, unsuccessfully, messing with fix_url.py. What's the right way to do this? Thank you for your help. /kpt Kent Taylor The Recruiting Team National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases National Institutes of Health Biodefense Research Careers Voice: 703.578.8201, ext 217 Fax:: 703.578.4532 Tollfree: 888.798.4991 Email: ktaylor at stginternational.com http://healthresearch.niaid.nih.gov/omni/ From seanc at cuttlefish.com Thu Dec 4 21:50:24 2003 From: seanc at cuttlefish.com (Sean Clark) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:50:24 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cc problem Message-ID: <7BE27A50-269B-11D8-8255-000A959B2246@cuttlefish.com> List Users, I have just installed mailman on my linux box to support a number of (mostly) announcement-only lists. I've followed the FAQ regarding making my lists announce-only and everything seems to work apart from one thing - when the message arrives with the recipient it has the short description of the list and the list e-mail address in the cc field of the message. Here's an example of a message header: Date:?Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:05:21 +0000 From:?culturepromotions at lists.cuttlefish.com To:?info at cuttlefish.com Cc:?"The latest news from dub and reggae promotor Culture Promotions (1 or 2 messages per week)." Reply-to:?mailouts at culturepromotions.com The "from", "to" and "reply-to" are correct but I really don't want that CC line there! Anybody able to help me get rid of it? Thanks, Sean From og at digimark.net Thu Dec 4 21:49:44 2003 From: og at digimark.net (Gary Goldberg) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:49:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stuck between Mailman and MIMEDefang. Message-ID: Can anyone with knowledge on the interface between mailman and sendmail/MIMEDefang help me understand the best way to disable MIMEDefang for outbound Mailman traffic only? It's scanning everything on my dedicated Mailman server, which is double the work. I'd like it to scan only inbound from the outside world, and ignore the Mailman outbound traffic. The mailman messages are posting through localhost on a non-priveleged port through a defer queue, so that would be one way to distinguish them from other messages. Any help would be appreciated. -Gary -- -- "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." - Anais Nin Gary Goldberg KA3ZYW V:301/249-6501 F:301/390-1955 AIM:OgGreeb Digital Marketing/Bowie MD/Systems & Networks Consult From brent_s at treca.org Thu Dec 4 22:27:38 2003 From: brent_s at treca.org (Brent Shafer) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 16:27:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Set GID ? Message-ID: OK... I've gotten GCC installed. When I attempt to ./configure mailman, it tells me my permissions are incorrect. I have the set to User: mailman - r,w,e (read, write, execute capabilities) Group: mailman - r,w,e Everybody: r,w,e I also cd'd to the mailman folder and set gid=mailman I'm still getting the following: [mailman at treca mailman-2.1.3]$ ./configure checking for --with-python... no checking for python... /usr/bin/python checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python checking Python version... 2.2.1 checking that Python has a working distutils... yes checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes checking for true... /bin/true checking for --without-gcc... no checking for gcc... gcc checking for C compiler default output... a.out checking whether the C compiler works... yes checking whether we are cross compiling... no checking for suffix of executables... checking for suffix of object files... o checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... none needed checking whether #! works in shell scripts... yes checking for --with-var-prefix... no checking for --with-permcheck... yes checking for --with-username... mailman checking for user name "mailman"... okay checking for --with-groupname... mailman checking for group name "mailman"... okay checking permissions on /usr/local/mailman... configure: error: ***** Installation directory /usr/local/mailman is not configured pr operly! ***** Set-gid bit must be set for directory: /usr/local/mailman [mailman at treca mailman-2.1.3]$ To What am I supposed to set the gid, and how am I supposed to get that accomplished? Thanks Brent Shafer From sean at tcob1.net Thu Dec 4 22:42:50 2003 From: sean at tcob1.net (Sean Rima) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 21:42:50 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qfiles/in files Message-ID: There are roughly ten messages in my qfiles/in directory which are around 1 hour old. what do I m=need to do to push them. Sean From sasa at stupar.homelinux.net Thu Dec 4 22:45:13 2003 From: sasa at stupar.homelinux.net (Sasa Stupar) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 22:45:13 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Our Mailman web server is listening on port 81 (not 80) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FCFAAE9.7080005@stupar.homelinux.net> Kent Taylor wrote: >Hello, > > Our Mailman web server is listening on port 81 (not 80). I >modified the config lines in mm_cfg.py to read... > > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mail.stginternational.com:81' > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'stginternational.com' > > > ...but all the links that Mailman creates omit the :81 portion >of the URL, and therefore are incorrect. Example: > > http://mail.stginternational.com:81/mailman/listinfo contains a >link to "the list admin overview page > ", which points to > http://mail.stginternational.com/mailman/admin rather than > http://mail.stginternational.com:81/mailman/admin as it should. > > I tried, unsuccessfully, messing with fix_url.py. What's the >right way to do this? Thank you for your help. > /kpt > > > > After changing in mm_cfg.py run this: $prefix/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url mailman This should fix your url. --Sasa From jdell at unr.edu Thu Dec 4 23:02:01 2003 From: jdell at unr.edu (John Dell) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 14:02:01 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] shell script to make consolidated list from other lists? Message-ID: <200312041402.01581.jdell@unr.edu> Hi, Anyone have a shell script that will make take members of some lists and use them to make a consolidated list? For example: remove dupes(List A + List B + List C) = List D I'm sure it can be done with list_members, remove_members, and add_members, but I'm not very handy with shell scripts. Thanks for any help or ideas! Regards, John From sean at tcob1.net Thu Dec 4 23:25:49 2003 From: sean at tcob1.net (Sean Rima) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 22:25:49 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: qfiles/in files References: Message-ID: Sean Rima writes: > There are roughly ten messages in my qfiles/in directory which are around 1 > hour old. what do I m=need to do to push them. > I removed everything from my qfiles in/out/virgin directories and sent a test message, it still flopped in qfiles/in and is not budging I am using exim with the exiscan acl patch, built from the latest version downloade dfrom the mailman site. It is running as mailman/mailman etc. Nothing is showing in any log files. I am at a lose. If it helps, mail is for bluemail at tcob1.net. mailman is hosted at mail.tcob1.net and I changed it to use tcob1.net in the global options. Sean -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 226 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031204/a8762cda/attachment.pgp From dennis.black at ualberta.ca Thu Dec 4 23:43:53 2003 From: dennis.black at ualberta.ca (Dennis Black) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:43:53 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] shell script to make consolidated list from other lists? Message-ID: <3FD41F4B@webmail.ualberta.ca> >===== Original Message From John Dell ===== >Anyone have a shell script that will make take members of some lists and use >them to make a consolidated list? >For example: >remove dupes(List A + List B + List C) = List D > >I'm sure it can be done with list_members, remove_members, and add_members, >but I'm not very handy with shell scripts. > John, this works for me. #!/bin/sh #Synch two smaller lists with a larger list. #If more than two, adjust 'wk' numbers. /home/mailman/bin/list_members the-a-list > /tmp/abc.wk1 /home/mailman/bin/list_members the-b-list >> /tmp/abc.wk1 cat /tmp/abc.wk1 | tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]' > /tmp/abc.wk2 uniq -u /tmp/abc.wk2 > /tmp/abc.wk3 uniq -d /tmp/abc.wk2 >> /tmp/abc.wk3 sort -d /tmp/abc.wk3 > /tmp/abc.wk4 /home/mailman/bin/sync_members -w=no -f /tmp/abc.wk4 the-big-list The '-w=no' means 'don't send the welcome message.' Cron the above at your desired frequency. From sean at tcob1.net Thu Dec 4 23:46:16 2003 From: sean at tcob1.net (Sean Rima) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 22:46:16 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: qfiles/in files References: Message-ID: Sean Rima writes: > Sean Rima writes: > >> There are roughly ten messages in my qfiles/in directory which are around 1 >> hour old. what do I m=need to do to push them. >> > > I removed everything from my qfiles in/out/virgin directories and sent a > test message, it still flopped in qfiles/in and is not budging > Turns out to be admin error. I thought I had run the mailmanctl script bt I had not, I will slap meself 40 times :0 Sean -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 226 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031204/f53e1807/attachment.pgp From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Fri Dec 5 00:17:04 2003 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 00:17:04 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Max reciepients References: Message-ID: donovan at beth.k12.pa.us (Jeff Donovan) scripsit/wrote: > i have created a bunch of lists. Now i just noticed that the > max_num_recipients is set to 10 on all messages. Yes. AFAIS that means that messages with more than ten recipients (in To: and CC:, I presume) will be moderated. That does make sense as anti-spam measure. > If i have 76 users, shouldn't all 76 users be allowed to recieve the > messages posted to the list without moderator approval? Of course. -thh From emechler+mailman at techometer.net Fri Dec 5 01:07:02 2003 From: emechler+mailman at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 16:07:02 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Seriosu problems In-Reply-To: <001c01c3bac2$fe7f8e60$d1121b97@oemcomputer> References: <001101c3ba6f$86ab1100$cf560b3e@oemcomputer> <20031204175850.GG97846@techometer.net> <001c01c3bac2$fe7f8e60$d1121b97@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20031205000702.GR97846@techometer.net> :: > :: In short, I can send messages to the list, whose address exists, but the :: > :: messages never reach the subscribers. :: > :: > Is your queue runner still running? :: :: What do you mean by that? Is there anything I have to check? The queue runner is started out of the mailman init script. Check out the INSTALL and README files that come with mailman for information on how they're configured. If you don't properly setup the init scripts, a reboot of your system won't restart your runner. Cheers - Erick From paul at thcwd.com Fri Dec 5 03:13:49 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:13:49 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Max reciepients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20031204201006.01c5ae00@mail.thcwd.com> jeff wrote: >i have created a bunch of lists. Now i just noticed that the >max_num_recipients is set to 10 on all messages From rakshika at healthlink.org.za Fri Dec 5 09:10:48 2003 From: rakshika at healthlink.org.za (Rakshika Bhana) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:10:48 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating many lists Message-ID: <3FD059A8.10112.541F4B@localhost> Hi We have just installed Mailman and are in the process of testing the system. Part of our migration from Lyris to Mailman involves the moving over of approx. 70 lists to Mailman. These are are classified as open, closed, moderated, unmoderated etc. Some of these lists have their own list specific footers and headers, welcome docs etc. I'd like to know which is the best and most efficient way to create these lists. Do we just create them one at a time or is there a tool or template that allows for mass migration of lists that have similar settings. Thanks Rakshika ********************************************** Rakshika Bhana, rakshika at healthlink.org.za Health Systems Trust http://www.hst.org.za Tel: (031) 307 2954 Fax: (031) 304 0775 From simon at caperet.com Fri Dec 5 09:13:48 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:13:48 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Our Mailman web server is listening on port 81 In-Reply-To: <3FCFAAE9.7080005@stupar.homelinux.net> References: <3FCFAAE9.7080005@stupar.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <20031205081348.GA29598@mediadev.com> 04-Dec-03 at 22:45, Sasa Stupar (sasa at stupar.homelinux.net) wrote : > > Our Mailman web server is listening on port 81 (not 80). I > >modified the config lines in mm_cfg.py to read... > > > > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mail.stginternational.com:81' > > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'stginternational.com' > > > > ...but all the links that Mailman creates omit the :81 portion > >of the URL, and therefore are incorrect. Example: > After changing in mm_cfg.py run this: > $prefix/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url mailman Did you notice the part in Defaults.py thus: # If you don't need to change DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST in # your mm_cfg.py, then you're done; the default mapping is added # automatically. If however you change either variable in your # mm_cfg.py, then be sure to also include the following: # # add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From simon at caperet.com Fri Dec 5 09:30:12 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:30:12 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Set GID ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031205083012.GB29598@mediadev.com> 04-Dec-03 at 16:27, Brent Shafer (brent_s at treca.org) wrote : > I have the set to User: mailman - r,w,e (read, write, execute > capabilities) Group: mailman - r,w,e Everybody: r,w,e This is not secure. This is not what you are told to do by the documentation. Setting something to rwx rwx rwx (usually we use x for execute rather than e, because that's how ls -l displays it...) is something I have never found necessary. Ever. > checking permissions on /usr/local/mailman... configure: error: > ***** Installation directory /usr/local/mailman is not configured pr > operly! > ***** Set-gid bit must be set for directory: /usr/local/mailman > [mailman at treca mailman-2.1.3]$ > > To What am I supposed to set the gid, and how am I supposed to get that > accomplished? /usr/local/mailman should look something like this: drwxrwsr-x 21 root mailman 4096 Sep 6 15:41 mailman This is clear in the documentation: "Watch out if your site does something like mount /usr/local with the nosuid option. This will break Mailman, which relies on set-gid programs for its security. If this describes your environment, simply install Mailman in a location that allows setgid programs. Make sure the install directory is set to group `mailman' (or whatever you're going to specify as --with-groupname) and has the setgid bit set (but see README.BSD if you're on a BSD system). You probably also want to guarantee that this directory is readable and executable by everyone. For example, these shell commands will accomplish this: % cd $prefix % chgrp mailman . % chmod a+rx,g+ws . " In your case, $prefix can be replaced by /usr/local/mailman, unless /usr or /usr/local are mounted nosuid. Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From kmccann at bellanet.org Fri Dec 5 10:07:16 2003 From: kmccann at bellanet.org (Kevin McCann) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 04:07:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating many lists References: <3FD059A8.10112.541F4B@localhost> Message-ID: <04b101c3bb0f$2e14bb40$0501a8c0@kevinduron> > Hi > > We have just installed Mailman and are in the process of testing the system. Part of > our migration from Lyris to Mailman involves the moving over of approx. 70 lists to > Mailman. These are are classified as open, closed, moderated, unmoderated etc. > Some of these lists have their own list specific footers and headers, welcome docs > etc. > > I'd like to know which is the best and most efficient way to create these lists. Do we > just create them one at a time or is there a tool or template that allows for mass > migration of lists that have similar settings. There are three things you'll want to export and import. Two of them will be easy, the third one, which is what you're specifically asking about, is trickier. You'll need to do the following for *each* list: For exporting members, use the "members.pl" script which is found in the collection of scripts found in the URL I am providing below. You'll need to take the resulting file and break it into two text files, one for normal users, the other for digest users. You'll then use these as input for the mailman command that adds members, which is "add_members". For each list you'll do this after the list is created. For exporting message archives, use the 'exp-arc.pl" script. This will create "mbox" files that can be used to recreate pipermail versions of the archives once your mailman list is created. Finally - and this is what you were specifically asking about - there is a script called "list-exp.pl" that exports a list's settings into a text file. In theory you could use the resultant data as input for the mailman commands that create and configure your lists, which are "newlist" and "create_list" respectively. Here is the URL where will you find an assortment of Lyris scripts, including the ones I mentioned: http://www.lyris.com/products/listmanager/lm_6.1/scripts.html (should this be added to a FAQ somwhere? I suspect there will be more people who will migrate from Lyris to Mailman due to criminally exorbitant licensing fees, a desire to support open source instead, etc.) - Kevin From simon at caperet.com Fri Dec 5 10:01:02 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:01:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] shell script to make consolidated list from other lists? In-Reply-To: <3FD41F4B@webmail.ualberta.ca> References: <3FD41F4B@webmail.ualberta.ca> Message-ID: <20031205090102.GD29598@mediadev.com> 04-Dec-03 at 15:43, Dennis Black (dennis.black at ualberta.ca) wrote : > John, this works for me. > > #!/bin/sh > #Synch two smaller lists with a larger list. > #If more than two, adjust 'wk' numbers. > /home/mailman/bin/list_members the-a-list > /tmp/abc.wk1 > /home/mailman/bin/list_members the-b-list >> /tmp/abc.wk1 > cat /tmp/abc.wk1 | tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]' > /tmp/abc.wk2 > uniq -u /tmp/abc.wk2 > /tmp/abc.wk3 > uniq -d /tmp/abc.wk2 >> /tmp/abc.wk3 > sort -d /tmp/abc.wk3 > /tmp/abc.wk4 > /home/mailman/bin/sync_members -w=no -f /tmp/abc.wk4 the-big-list > > The '-w=no' means 'don't send the welcome message.' > Cron the above at your desired frequency. Hmmm uniq -u means print only unique lines. uniq -d means only duplicate lines. uniq only works well if sort is applied first. add_members / sync_members will ignore dupes anyway (but sort then uniq might be quicker). tr is not obligatory but I can see what you're getting at (changing case so that everyone's emails are in lower case for both lists). I'd do something a bit more like (replace $prefix with path to mailman) # get member lists into the temp file $prefix/bin/list_members the-a-list > /tmp/abc.wk1 $prefix/bin/list_members the-b-list >> /tmp/abc.wk1 # convert everything to lower case tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]' < /tmp/abc.wk1 > /tmp/abc.wk2 # deduplicate from 2nd temp file and overwrite 1st temp file, to save # counting upwards all the time; we could do this on one line and pipe # to another pipe and so on... but separating isn't such a bad thing sort -d /tmp/abc.wk2 | uniq > /tmp/abc.wk1 # now sync back to the list $prefix/bin/sync_members -w=no -f /tmp/abc.wk1 the-big-list Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From donovan at beth.k12.pa.us Fri Dec 5 13:18:01 2003 From: donovan at beth.k12.pa.us (Jeff Donovan) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 07:18:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Max reciepients In-Reply-To: <5BD98B40-267F-11D8-8A19-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu> References: <5BD98B40-267F-11D8-8A19-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu> Message-ID: <11B0B72C-271D-11D8-A3B9-000393DAC2D8@beth.k12.pa.us> Thank you! Now I understand. So if users are posting to the this they should refrain from CC'ing 20 of their friends also. got it. Thanks. --jeff On Dec 4, 2003, at 12:29 PM, Dan Phillips wrote: > On Dec 4, 2003, at 11:10 AM, Jeff Donovan wrote: >> i have created a bunch of lists. Now i just noticed that the >> max_num_recipients is set to 10 on all messages. >> >> I have to go to all of my lists and set this to ' 0 '. >> Why does this not make sense to me? >> > > Because you are misunderstanding the parameter :-) This refers to the > number of address that can be in a To: or CC: field of a message sent > to a list. It's a simple anti-spam control. It does not affect how > many subscribers can receive a post. > > DP From johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Fri Dec 5 14:13:12 2003 From: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu (Chris Johnson) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:13:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin functions don't. Message-ID: I'm running RH7.3, Mailman 2.1-8. I've looked at the bug list but haven't found anything like this. Posts are held for various reasons, in my case size issues, too big. I go to the Web interface at http://host/mailman/admindb/listname for any list. None of the actions, i.e. Defer, Accept, Reject or Discard, seem to work. There are no errors given. When I Submit All the same status page comes back in its original form. The held messages are still there and never have any action applied as far as I can tell. Are there any bugs relating to this? If not can any body tell me what I'm doing wrong? Help would be greatly appreciated as there is a increasing held backlog I can't free up. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 149 (2301) 13th Street |"Survival is insufficient" Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA | Seven of nine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jjma at totalise.co.uk Fri Dec 5 14:17:50 2003 From: jjma at totalise.co.uk (Jon) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:17:50 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe without a password Message-ID: Hello We have created a new mailman list and would have created an unsubscribe page for the users of the list however we are having problems unsubscribing the users without the need of a password. Can mailman be setup to allow the users to unsubscribe without a password. Our version is 2.0.13 Thank-you Jon From simon at caperet.com Fri Dec 5 14:24:06 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:24:06 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe without a password In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031205132406.GG30967@mediadev.com> 05-Dec-03 at 13:17, Jon (jjma at totalise.co.uk) wrote : > We have created a new mailman list and would have created an > unsubscribe page for the users of the list however we are having > problems unsubscribing the users without the need of a password. > Can mailman be setup to allow the users to unsubscribe without a > password. > > Our version is 2.0.13 If you make your own subscribe page which takes the email address and adds it to a text file, you can schedule a task every night to read that file and unsubscribe the addresses in it. I have a version of this theory working on a server using PHP, a little shell script, and cron. Let me know if it's of any use to you. Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From omar at liberatto.com.ar Thu Dec 4 23:24:38 2003 From: omar at liberatto.com.ar (Omar Liberatto) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:24:38 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual host Message-ID: <00c501c3bab5$687fd1c0$6401a8c0@desktop> Hello, sorry about my english, i'm not speak this language. I'm configuring a web/mail/ftp/ssh/etc-server. I'm using Mailman with Postfix to manage lists, and I have problems with the virtual domains. I have about 350 virtual hosts in this server but I can't configure the lists created to respond or to deliver the messages received. I use debian woody, Postfix, Apache 1.3.28... Thanks! Omar Liberatto HYPERLINK "mailto:omar at liberatto.com.ar"omar at liberatto.com.ar BDU - Biblioteca Digital Universal HYPERLINK "http://www.bdu.com.ar/"http://www.bdu.com.ar Suscr?base a nuestro bolet?n literario "El Bolet?n"! HYPERLINK "mailto:suscripciones at bdu.com.ar"suscripciones at bdu.com.ar Capital Federal - Argentina --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 21/01/2003 From Jacques at happyOnes.com Fri Dec 5 04:59:20 2003 From: Jacques at happyOnes.com (Jacques L'Heureux) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 22:59:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with html messages in Mailman 2.1.2 Message-ID: <3FD00298.9050401@happyOnes.com> HTML messages are properly passes on to non-digest members but not to digest members or to the archives. In both cases, the message is converted to a link but when one executes the link, the html code is shown instead of being converted ot a GUI page. Jacques -- Jacques L'Heureux, Columbia, Maryland -- From smesser at extremebeverage.com Fri Dec 5 05:18:41 2003 From: smesser at extremebeverage.com (Shane Messer) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 22:18:41 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] please help Message-ID: <000d01c3bae6$def1d160$eb00a8c0@smesser> Man, I really hate to send a stupid email like this, but I have searched for the past hour trying to figure out a very simple problem, with no luck. I use a web company for hosting and I have no root access. I am provided use of the mailman script, v2.13. The problem is that I am trying to figure out a way to do a mass removal of all the users on a list without having to go through each letter and check them off, letter by letter. Here is what I have tried. 1. I tried to do a * in the mass removal. Doesn't work. 2. I tried to come up with a way to get an entire list on the screen at once, so I could do a mass removal with that list. No luck. Again, I only have access to the web interface and not the command line, so can you tell me a way to simply wipe all the users in the list quickly? Or simply list them and then I can drop the list into the mass removal box? I work for a vodka company (www.extremebeverage.com), so I will be happy to send lots of free samples to someone who can answer my question! :-) Thanks, Shane From ammdv62 at tid.es Fri Dec 5 16:37:21 2003 From: ammdv62 at tid.es (Ana) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:37:21 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Our Mailman web server is listening on port 81 References: <3FCFAAE9.7080005@stupar.homelinux.net> <20031205081348.GA29598@mediadev.com> Message-ID: <07a101c3bb45$ac5699c0$0370a8c0@NAIROBI> Hi, I have the same problem: I include in mm_cfg.py DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'myhost.com:port' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'my host.com' add_virtualhost('myhost.com:port', 'my host.com' ) but the links omit the port in the URL. Thanks in advance, Ana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon White" To: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Our Mailman web server is listening on port 81 > 04-Dec-03 at 22:45, Sasa Stupar (sasa at stupar.homelinux.net) wrote : > > > Our Mailman web server is listening on port 81 (not 80). I > > >modified the config lines in mm_cfg.py to read... > > > > > > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mail.stginternational.com:81' > > > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'stginternational.com' > > > > > > ...but all the links that Mailman creates omit the :81 portion > > >of the URL, and therefore are incorrect. Example: > > > After changing in mm_cfg.py run this: > > $prefix/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url mailman > > Did you notice the part in Defaults.py thus: > > # If you don't need to change DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST in > # your mm_cfg.py, then you're done; the default mapping is added > # automatically. If however you change either variable in your > # mm_cfg.py, then be sure to also include the following: > # > # add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) > > Regards, > > -- > Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. > email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access > Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: ammdv62 at tid.es > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ammdv62%40tid.es From simon at caperet.com Fri Dec 5 16:47:50 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:47:50 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Our Mailman web server is listening on port 81 In-Reply-To: <07a101c3bb45$ac5699c0$0370a8c0@NAIROBI> References: <3FCFAAE9.7080005@stupar.homelinux.net> <20031205081348.GA29598@mediadev.com> <07a101c3bb45$ac5699c0$0370a8c0@NAIROBI> Message-ID: <20031205154749.GK30967@mediadev.com> 05-Dec-03 at 16:37, Ana (ammdv62 at tid.es) wrote : > Hi, > I have the same problem: > I include in mm_cfg.py > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'myhost.com:port' > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'my host.com' > add_virtualhost('myhost.com:port', 'my host.com' ) > but the links omit the port in the URL. I think you are supposed to put add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) as you have already defined these above. You may also have to run bin/withlist -l -r fix_url listname Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From beckert+mailman-users at ecos.de Fri Dec 5 18:50:29 2003 From: beckert+mailman-users at ecos.de (Axel Beckert) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:50:29 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing to several lists at once? / Customized confirmation subjects Message-ID: <20031205175029.GA3857@ecos.de> Hi! Because no native newsletter software seems to fit the newsletter requirements of a customer (not even close), we've chosen Mailman 2.1.x for this purposes, because we already have very good experiences with earlier Mailman versions, as well for mailing lists as for newsletters. And the 2.1 versions also have several more goodies useful for newsletters. But still some more or less important problems seems unsolved: We already have a form like http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe where you fill in your e-mail address just once and then select, on which lists you want to be subscribed. Currently, that script sends out a bunch of subscribe mails to the appropriate addresses. But currently the user will get one confirmation mail for each list he'd like to subscribe instead of a single one. Is there a possibility in Mailman to process a bunch of list subscriptions for a single user like one subscription, i.e. so that only one confirm mail is required? Anyone already had similiar problems? Another little customization thingy: IIRC Mailman 2.0.x had confirmation mail subjects looking like this: | listname -- confirmation of subscription -- request XXXXXX The new ones look just like this: | confirm xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Is it easily possible to customize this subject to be a little bit more understandable for a non-english speaking, non-technical audience, e.g. by a descriptive prefix in the configured language? Or do I need to patch Mailman and/or create new locales? And how do others deal with those horrible old Win95 mail clients ("X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.X.XXXX.XX)") which break the subject by adding an additonal white space auf 60 or 70 characters? E.g. I customized an older Mailman version with a few German texts, e.g. the above mentioned old confirmation subject, so that it read like this: | Listname -- Bitte um Bestaetigung der Anmeldung -- Anfrage 388443 What I got back from a customer was this: | Subject: WG: Listname -- Bitte um Bestaetigung der Anmeldung -- Anfra | ge 388443 My shorthack solution was to write a Perl (Jehova! ;-) wrapper, which fixed the subject before passing it to Mailman. How are (were) others dealing with this problem? (It should not only happen with customized versions of Mailman but also with long list names and the umodified Mailman version.) Kind regards, Axel Beckert -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Axel Beckert ecos electronic communication services gmbh it security solutions * dynamic web applications * consulting Mail: Tulpenstrasse 5 D-55276 Dienheim near Mainz E-Mail: beckert at ecos.de Voice: +49 6133 939-220 WWW: http://www.ecos.de/ Fax: +49 6133 939-333 ------------------------------------------------------------- From jdell at unr.edu Fri Dec 5 21:22:28 2003 From: jdell at unr.edu (John Dell) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:22:28 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] shell script to make consolidated list from other lists? In-Reply-To: <20031205090102.GD29598@mediadev.com> References: <3FD41F4B@webmail.ualberta.ca> <20031205090102.GD29598@mediadev.com> Message-ID: <200312051222.28334.jdell@unr.edu> On Friday 05 December 2003 01:01 am, Simon White wrote: > 04-Dec-03 at 15:43, Dennis Black (dennis.black at ualberta.ca) wrote : > Hmmm > > uniq -u means print only unique lines. uniq -d means only duplicate > lines. uniq only works well if sort is applied first. add_members / > sync_members will ignore dupes anyway (but sort then uniq might be > quicker). tr is not obligatory but I can see what you're getting at > (changing case so that everyone's emails are in lower case for both > lists). Yep, I noticed this problem also in testing. > I'd do something a bit more like (replace $prefix with path to mailman) > > # get member lists into the temp file > $prefix/bin/list_members the-a-list > /tmp/abc.wk1 > $prefix/bin/list_members the-b-list >> /tmp/abc.wk1 > > # convert everything to lower case > tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]' < /tmp/abc.wk1 > /tmp/abc.wk2 I noticed in mm 2.1.x that list_members returns all lowercase unless you provide a flag to return original case as entered, so this isn't necessary. > # deduplicate from 2nd temp file and overwrite 1st temp file, to save > # counting upwards all the time; we could do this on one line and pipe > # to another pipe and so on... but separating isn't such a bad thing > sort -d /tmp/abc.wk2 | uniq > /tmp/abc.wk1 > > # now sync back to the list > $prefix/bin/sync_members -w=no -f /tmp/abc.wk1 the-big-list I now have a working script! So thanks again to all for your ideas and feedback! Regards, John From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Dec 5 23:35:05 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 05 Dec 2003 17:35:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] shell script to make consolidated list from other lists? In-Reply-To: <200312051222.28334.jdell@unr.edu> References: <3FD41F4B@webmail.ualberta.ca> <20031205090102.GD29598@mediadev.com> <200312051222.28334.jdell@unr.edu> Message-ID: <1070663705.3227.140.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 15:22, John Dell wrote: > On Friday 05 December 2003 01:01 am, Simon White wrote: > > 04-Dec-03 at 15:43, Dennis Black (dennis.black at ualberta.ca) wrote : > > Hmmm > > > > uniq -u means print only unique lines. uniq -d means only duplicate > > lines. uniq only works well if sort is applied first. add_members / > > sync_members will ignore dupes anyway (but sort then uniq might be > > quicker). tr is not obligatory but I can see what you're getting at > > (changing case so that everyone's emails are in lower case for both > > lists). > > Yep, I noticed this problem also in testing. > > > I'd do something a bit more like (replace $prefix with path to mailman) > > > > # get member lists into the temp file > > $prefix/bin/list_members the-a-list > /tmp/abc.wk1 > > $prefix/bin/list_members the-b-list >> /tmp/abc.wk1 > > > > # convert everything to lower case > > tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]' < /tmp/abc.wk1 > /tmp/abc.wk2 > > I noticed in mm 2.1.x that list_members returns all lowercase unless you > provide a flag to return original case as entered, so this isn't necessary. > > > # deduplicate from 2nd temp file and overwrite 1st temp file, to save > > # counting upwards all the time; we could do this on one line and pipe > > # to another pipe and so on... but separating isn't such a bad thing > > sort -d /tmp/abc.wk2 | uniq > /tmp/abc.wk1 > > > > # now sync back to the list > > $prefix/bin/sync_members -w=no -f /tmp/abc.wk1 the-big-list > > I now have a working script! So thanks again to all for your ideas and > feedback! > > Regards, > John Coming late to this party, but have you guys looked at FAQ 3.5 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.005.htp It has a similar script that's worked for a few years now... Jon Carnes From friar_josh at tcbug.org Fri Dec 5 19:36:26 2003 From: friar_josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:36:26 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman won't send mail Message-ID: <20031205183626.GE38308@ns1.tcbug.org> I'm having an issue getting Mailman to send mail out to my mailing list. I've searched Google extensively, read the Mailman FAQ, and can't seem to get an answer to my problem. Sorry for the length of this email, but I'm going to try and be as complete as possible the first time around. According to the FAQ the following information should be listed: Mailman version - 2.1.3 How it was installed - FreeBSD ports system Version of OS - FreeBSD 5.2-BETA The MTA - Postfix 2.0.16,1 I've gone through the troubleshooting tips in the FAQ section 3.14 Brief Description of the Problem: Emails sent to my mailing list are silently absorbed by the mailman system. They don't bounce, they just appear to disappear. Mailman Configuration: Here's a copy of my mm_cfg.py # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line. DEFAULT_URL = 'http://tcbug.org/cgi-bin/mailman' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'tcbug.org' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'tcbug.org' MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME SMTPHOST = 'ns1.tcbug.org' Logs: Here is the output of several of the logs on the system: /var/log/maillog contains the following when I try to send a mail: Dec 5 17:54:06 ns1 postfix/local[38668]: 3786EBA0A: to=, relay=local, delay=6, status=sent ("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post tcbug") /usr/local/mailman/logs/error is empty /usr/local/mailman/logs/post: Dec 05 17:59:48 2003 (38597) post to tcbug from friar_josh at tcbug.org, size=1994, message-id=<20031205124245.GB36717 at ns1.tcbug.org>, 20 failures (There are 20 members on the mailing list in question) /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp: Dec 05 17:54:09 2003 (38597) All recipients refused: (61, 'Connection refused') Dec 05 17:54:09 2003 (38597) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.046 seconds Dec 05 17:54:09 2003 (38597) All recipients refused: (61, 'Connection refused') Dec 05 17:54:09 2003 (38597) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.110 seconds /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp-error: Dec 05 17:54:09 2003 (38597) delivery to 2546547 at msn.com failed with code -1: ignore Dec 05 17:54:09 2003 (38597) delivery to tcbug-owner at tcbug.org failed with code -1: ignore ...this is followed by similar messages for each of the members of the list. Just for kicks I've apt-get installed Mailman on a debian 3.0 box I have laying around, along with Postfix 2.0.x and everything works perfectly out of the box. I've been tearing my hair out trying to see what's different between the two installations, but I can't find it. Any and all advice, suggestions, clues, feats of magic, or beatings with the clue stick would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Josh Paetzel friar_josh at tcbug.org From rkpn at british-genealogy.com Sat Dec 6 01:42:46 2003 From: rkpn at british-genealogy.com (Rod Neep) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 00:42:46 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List admin abandons a list Message-ID: <18hUyuFGYS0$EAwJ@neep.demon.co.uk> I have had a list admin (of three lists) *abandon* the mailing lists for which he was responsible. Unfortunately, he did this about three weeks ago without my knowledge and without any notice, and I only discovered the problem this evening. Moreover.... he just deleted his email address as list admin, leaving the field *blank*. Is there any way to prevent this happening again? For example, for the admin address to default to something else if left blank, or better still, for Mailman to inform me if an admin address is blank? Rod -- Rod Neep British-Genealogy: http://www.british-genealogy.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Dec 6 01:55:34 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 05 Dec 2003 19:55:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] please help In-Reply-To: <000d01c3bae6$def1d160$eb00a8c0@smesser> References: <000d01c3bae6$def1d160$eb00a8c0@smesser> Message-ID: <1070672133.3227.162.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 23:18, Shane Messer wrote: > Man, > > > > I really hate to send a stupid email like this, but I have searched for the > past hour trying to figure out a very simple problem, with no luck. > > > > I use a web company for hosting and I have no root access. I am provided > use of the mailman script, v2.13. > > > > The problem is that I am trying to figure out a way to do a mass removal of > all the users on a list without having to go through each letter and check > them off, letter by letter. Here is what I have tried. > > > > 1. I tried to do a * in the mass removal. Doesn't work. > 2. I tried to come up with a way to get an entire list on the screen at > once, so I could do a mass removal with that list. No luck. > > > > Again, I only have access to the web interface and not the command line, so > can you tell me a way to simply wipe all the users in the list quickly? Or > simply list them and then I can drop the list into the mass removal box? > > > > I work for a vodka company (www.extremebeverage.com), so I will be happy to > send lots of free samples to someone who can answer my question! :-) > > > > Thanks, > > Shane > With an offer like that, who could refuse! Write a small robot script to access the admin website and do the check boxes for you. Linux has some very nice scripting tools that will help you out (links and wget come to mind). I've used them in the past to do load testing on web-sites. I setup them up to walk entire web trees multiple times. The principle is the same so with a bit of patience you should have something that will hammer away on the admin pages for you in a few minutes. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Dec 6 02:42:38 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 05 Dec 2003 20:42:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman won't send mail In-Reply-To: <20031205183626.GE38308@ns1.tcbug.org> References: <20031205183626.GE38308@ns1.tcbug.org> Message-ID: <1070674957.3227.175.camel@localhost.localdomain> Wow, great problem report... It looks to me like your Postfix is delivering the mail to Mailman, Mailmanctl is running and trying to drop the mail out to the specified SMTPHOST # SMTP host and port, when DELIVERY_MODULE is 'SMTPDirect'. # Make sure the # host exists and is resolvable (i.e., if it's the # default of "localhost" be # sure there's a localhost entry in your /etc/hosts file!) SMTPHOST = 'localhost' In your case the SMTPHOST is ns1.tcbug.org. Does this resolve? Is Postfix setup to accept mail from this IP address? I would switch back to using SMTPHOST = 'localhost' and then set that to 127.0.0.1 in my /etc/hosts file, then setup Postfix to relay any local posts from 127.0.0.1 It sounds like the problem is in Postfix. It looks like it is not allowing relay from the locally running Mailman application. Check out the error and warning logs for Postfix. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 13:36, Josh Paetzel wrote: > I'm having an issue getting Mailman to send mail out to my mailing > list. I've searched Google extensively, read the Mailman FAQ, and > can't seem to get an answer to my problem. Sorry for the length of > this email, but I'm going to try and be as complete as possible the > first time around. > > According to the FAQ the following information should be listed: > > Mailman version - 2.1.3 > How it was installed - FreeBSD ports system > Version of OS - FreeBSD 5.2-BETA > The MTA - Postfix 2.0.16,1 > > I've gone through the troubleshooting tips in the FAQ section 3.14 > > Brief Description of the Problem: Emails sent to my mailing list are > silently absorbed by the mailman system. They don't bounce, they > just appear to disappear. > > Mailman Configuration: Here's a copy of my mm_cfg.py > > # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line. > > DEFAULT_URL = 'http://tcbug.org/cgi-bin/mailman' > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'tcbug.org' > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'tcbug.org' > MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME > SMTPHOST = 'ns1.tcbug.org' > > > Logs: Here is the output of several of the logs on the system: > > /var/log/maillog contains the following when I try to send a mail: > > Dec 5 17:54:06 ns1 postfix/local[38668]: 3786EBA0A: > to=, relay=local, delay=6, status=sent > ("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post tcbug") > > /usr/local/mailman/logs/error is empty > > /usr/local/mailman/logs/post: > > Dec 05 17:59:48 2003 (38597) post to tcbug from friar_josh at tcbug.org, > size=1994, message-id=<20031205124245.GB36717 at ns1.tcbug.org>, 20 > failures > > (There are 20 members on the mailing list in question) > > /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp: > > Dec 05 17:54:09 2003 (38597) All recipients refused: (61, 'Connection refused') > Dec 05 17:54:09 2003 (38597) > smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.046 seconds > Dec 05 17:54:09 2003 (38597) All recipients refused: (61, 'Connection refused') > Dec 05 17:54:09 2003 (38597) > smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.110 seconds > > /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp-error: > > Dec 05 17:54:09 2003 (38597) delivery to 2546547 at msn.com failed with code -1: > ignore > Dec 05 17:54:09 2003 (38597) delivery to tcbug-owner at tcbug.org failed with code > -1: ignore > > ...this is followed by similar messages for each of the members of the list. > > Just for kicks I've apt-get installed Mailman on a debian 3.0 box I have > laying around, along with Postfix 2.0.x and everything works perfectly out > of the box. I've been tearing my hair out trying to see what's different > between the two installations, but I can't find it. Any and all advice, > suggestions, clues, feats of magic, or beatings with the clue stick would > be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Josh Paetzel > friar_josh at tcbug.org > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Dec 6 02:47:11 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 05 Dec 2003 20:47:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List admin abandons a list In-Reply-To: <18hUyuFGYS0$EAwJ@neep.demon.co.uk> References: <18hUyuFGYS0$EAwJ@neep.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <1070675160.3227.179.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 19:42, Rod Neep wrote: > I have had a list admin (of three lists) *abandon* the mailing lists for > which he was responsible. > > Unfortunately, he did this about three weeks ago without my knowledge > and without any notice, and I only discovered the problem this evening. > > Moreover.... he just deleted his email address as list admin, leaving > the field *blank*. > > Is there any way to prevent this happening again? > For example, for the admin address to default to something else if left > blank, or better still, for Mailman to inform me if an admin address is > blank? > > Rod Sounds like a great job for a cron script! Try the ~mailman/bin/list_admins command in a cron script and add a bit of logic, and Viola! You will never be caught by surprise again - though this is the first time I've ever heard of this particular problem. Jon Carnes From Darwin at DesktopEngineer.com Sat Dec 6 05:00:46 2003 From: Darwin at DesktopEngineer.com (Darwin Sanoy) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 23:00:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding subscriber names In-Reply-To: <000801c3ba82$ea530510$0700a8c0@octron> Message-ID: <017e01c3bbad$8bd14570$1502a8c0@PHASE5> There is a script called "add_members" in the ~mailman/bin directory. Fyi, D. ____________________________ Darwin Sanoy Principal Consultant and Trainer DesktopEngineer.com DesktopEngineerTraining.com --- Don't Think Out of the Box, Burn It --- -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+darwin=desktopengineer.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+darwin=desktopengineer.com at python.org] On Behalf Of John Smith Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 11:23 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding subscriber names Greetings- I have a question: is there a method to add the subscriber names, in addition to e-mail addresses, en masse? That would be really usefule to me. GNU Peace, Ron Carson Octadyne Systems ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: darwin at desktopengineer.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/darwin%40desktopenginee r.com From tech-mail at prupref.com Sat Dec 6 05:31:14 2003 From: tech-mail at prupref.com (McKeever Chris) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 22:31:14 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] please help In-Reply-To: <1070672133.3227.162.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200312060431.hB64VE830821@smtp1.prupref.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031205/d83ffbd9/attachment.pot From kirstii at hot.ee Sat Dec 6 10:28:50 2003 From: kirstii at hot.ee (Kirsti) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 11:28:50 +0200 (EET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <20031206092850.ED0951047@portal.hot.ee> ----------------------------------------- Hot Mobiil - helinad, logod ja pilts?numid! http://portal.hot.ee From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sat Dec 6 18:11:59 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 17:11:59 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-users] RE: htdig integration problem Message-ID: <4D33E4A2-280F-11D8-A73B-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> In your mail to mailman-users list of Dec 3, 2003 you said: > solaris 9 > mailman 2.1.3 > htdig 3.1.6 > patches: indexing-2.1.3-0.1 and htdig-2.1.3-0.4 > > htdig is working. from the command line i can do: > > #/opt/www/htdig/bin/htsearch -c > /usr/local/mailman/archives/htdig/mailman.conf > > as users root , mailman and nobody and get the html search results > correctly returned. > I'm trying to see how this fits with the statement below where you say rundig is failing with a 134 return code when it is run by nightly_htdig for the mailman list. If rundig is failing when executed by nightly_htdig then how were the search indices for the list concerned constructed, because without these then I would not expect htsearch for the list using the per-list htdig.conf to return any useful search results? See below for further comment on rundig. > When I try and search from the web archive form i get: > > > htdig Archives Access Failure > > search failed -12- > This is the CGI script $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/mmsearch.py saying that it got no response back when it ran htdig's htsearch; the response you are seeing is initiated by code at or near line 224 of that Python file. There should be information about the failure logged in $prefix/Mailman/logs/error. The logged information may include the exit status of htsearch if that was non-zero. Is so, what was that exit status? > If you want to make another attempt to access a list archive then go via > the list users information page > . > > If this problem persists then please e-mail the following information to > the mailman at mailman.sghms.ac.uk : > > http://mailman.sghms.ac.uk/pipermail/mailman/ > /mailman/mmsearch/mailman > > if i run the nightly_htdig script from the command line it hangs with 'rundig failed for > list mailman, exit code 134' By "hangs" do you mean the script sits staring at the wall until it is forcibly terminated by the kill command or Ctl-C or do you mean that it ends normally with that error message. I'll assume the latter in which case the problem is why will rundig not execute correctly. Observations: 0. I assume you are running htdig on the same machine as Mailman and when running nightly_htdig from the command line you did so as the mailman uid or at least as a user who is a member of the mailman gid. If not then this may be causing a permissions problem. 1. This may be a permissions problem. There are some comments about this topic in the INSTALL.htdig-mm file in the build Mailman directory which are worth checking. You also need to consider which user's crontab is being used to run the nightly_htdig cron script. 2. Have you run $prefix/bin/check_perms in case that helps. 3. Is the $prefix/archives/htdig/.conf a symlink to $prefix/archives/private//htdig/.conf 4. Does $prefix/archives/private//htdig/ contain a rundig_last_run file and some db.* files with modification dates that makes sense? For instance: -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 53511168 Dec 6 02:42 db.docdb -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 568320 Dec 6 02:42 db.docs.index -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 71370695 Dec 6 02:41 db.wordlist -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 54174720 Dec 6 02:41 db.words.db -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 3892 Nov 13 21:58 .conf -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 Dec 6 02:43 rundig_last_run If all else fails you can try running the rundig command for the list from the command line as the mailman user. The command is constructed by the mmsearch.py as: -c rundig is a shell script from htdig which runs various of htdig's programs in sequence to build/rebuild list search indices. You can add some diagnostic echo commands and such or hack around a copy of the script to try and determine why the rundig is returning a non-zero exist status to nightly_htdig > > has anyone got any ideas where i can look to put things right... > If everything looks OK you can try "resetting" things by, as the mailman user: 1. (carefully) running $prefix/bin/blow_away_htdig for the list. This will remove all per-list htdig related files. 2. sending a test message to the list, which should cause reconstruction of the per-list htdig stuff 3. running $prefix/bin/arch --wipe for the list. 4. running nightly_htdig from the command line for the list. If all is properly installed this sequence should leave you with a working htdig searchable archive for the list. If it doesn't, then get back to me. > thanks > > paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From lrosa at mail.hypertrek.info Sat Dec 6 18:20:04 2003 From: lrosa at mail.hypertrek.info (Luigi Rosa) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:20:04 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] e-mail address starting with '-' Message-ID: <19010072391.20031206182004@mail.hypertrek.info> Hello, I have a problem with a mail account starting with '-' character that is not accepted by Mailman 2.1.3 I don't even know if an email like "-whatever at acme.net" complains with the standards, but does anybody know if such an email can be subscribed to a list handled with Mailman? Thanks. -- Best regards, Luigi From dfilchak at sympatico.ca Sat Dec 6 19:26:33 2003 From: dfilchak at sympatico.ca (Dave Filchak) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:26:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi user Message-ID: Hello all, At this point, I am using the default install of Mailman that came with RedHat 9 and have updated the rpms to the latest RedHat release. However, I have always ran apache as another user other than the default apache. So naturally, when I try to go to the initial default mailman list that I set up while doing the initial setup and config of Mailman, I get the error : Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the CGI wrapper script to be executed as one of the following groups: [apache], but the system's web server executed the CGI script as group: "webadmin". Try tweaking the web server to run the script as one of these groups: [apache], or re-run configure providing the command line option: '--with-cgi-gid=webadmin'. So my question is, other than re-installing Mailman from source, is there a way to: A: change a config option in the current installation to allow this to execute cgi as user webadmin or B: re-install from RPM using an install option --with-cgi-gid=webadmin Any help would be appreciated. Cheers Dave David Filchak President - Zuka Inc. art | technology | strategy | solutions www.zuka.net | www.screamingmedia.ca From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Sat Dec 6 20:42:08 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 14:42:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi user In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031206194208.GM602@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dave Filchak wrote: > At this point, I am using the default install of Mailman that came with > RedHat 9 and have updated the rpms to the latest RedHat release. However, I > have always ran apache as another user other than the default apache. So > naturally, when I try to go to the initial default mailman list that I set > up while doing the initial setup and config of Mailman, I get the error : > > Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the CGI wrapper script to be > executed as one of the following groups: > [apache], > but the system's web server executed the CGI script as group: "webadmin". > Try tweaking the web server to run the script as one of these groups: > [apache], > or re-run configure providing the command line option: > '--with-cgi-gid=webadmin'. > > So my question is, other than re-installing Mailman from source, is there a > way to: > > A: change a config option in the current installation to allow this to > execute cgi as user webadmin or > > B: re-install from RPM using an install option --with-cgi-gid=webadmin I don't think so, but rebuilding the rpm is simple enough and will keep all the settings except the cgi-gid setting exactly like your current rpm install. Just grab the mailman-2.1.1-4.src.rpm (or whatever version you have) and install it, which puts the spec file in /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/mailman.spec if you do this as root (you'll know where it goes if you've customized rpm to install source rpms as a normal user). Then edit the spec file to change the cgiuser and cgigroup settings near the top of the spec file, increment the Release field, update the changelog (optional, but useful when you want to remember why you have a different rpm installed than what redhat's shipping), and rebuild using rpmbuild -ba /path/to/mailman.spec. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Tax reform is taking the taxes off things that have been taxed in the past and putting taxes on things that haven't been taxed before. -- Art Buchwald -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/0jEPuv+09NZUB1oRAkveAJ9w8dHMQ9vZTJabT4eogOhawh8J5ACfYz43 DT/pg3Z67XpyHX8etmXoIlg= =EpYD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dfilchak at sympatico.ca Sat Dec 6 22:30:07 2003 From: dfilchak at sympatico.ca (Dave Filchak) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:30:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi user In-Reply-To: <20031206194208.GM602@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: Ah ha ... yes I'll give that a try. Cheers Dave -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+dfilchak=sympatico.ca at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+dfilchak=sympatico.ca at python.org]On Behalf Of Todd Sent: December 6, 2003 2:42 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] cgi user *** PGP Signature Status: unknown *** Signer: Unknown, Key ID = 0xD654075A *** Signed: 06/12/2003 2:42:07 PM *** Verified: 06/12/2003 4:25:59 PM *** BEGIN PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE *** Dave Filchak wrote: > At this point, I am using the default install of Mailman that came with > RedHat 9 and have updated the rpms to the latest RedHat release. However, I > have always ran apache as another user other than the default apache. So > naturally, when I try to go to the initial default mailman list that I set > up while doing the initial setup and config of Mailman, I get the error : > > Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the CGI wrapper script to be > executed as one of the following groups: > [apache], > but the system's web server executed the CGI script as group: "webadmin". > Try tweaking the web server to run the script as one of these groups: > [apache], > or re-run configure providing the command line option: > '--with-cgi-gid=webadmin'. > > So my question is, other than re-installing Mailman from source, is there a > way to: > > A: change a config option in the current installation to allow this to > execute cgi as user webadmin or > > B: re-install from RPM using an install option --with-cgi-gid=webadmin I don't think so, but rebuilding the rpm is simple enough and will keep all the settings except the cgi-gid setting exactly like your current rpm install. Just grab the mailman-2.1.1-4.src.rpm (or whatever version you have) and install it, which puts the spec file in /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/mailman.spec if you do this as root (you'll know where it goes if you've customized rpm to install source rpms as a normal user). Then edit the spec file to change the cgiuser and cgigroup settings near the top of the spec file, increment the Release field, update the changelog (optional, but useful when you want to remember why you have a different rpm installed than what redhat's shipping), and rebuild using rpmbuild -ba /path/to/mailman.spec. -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Tax reform is taking the taxes off things that have been taxed in the past and putting taxes on things that haven't been taxed before. -- Art Buchwald *** END PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE *** ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: dfilchak at sympatico.ca Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/dfilchak%40sympatico.ca From sales at nisa.net Sun Dec 7 00:35:04 2003 From: sales at nisa.net (Don Bonner) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 15:35:04 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Link to archive in the admin section doesn't work. Message-ID: <014901c3bc51$94fda6d0$6501a8c0@NisaDon> The link to the Archive in the admin section of the maillists is broken. http://h64-141-101-185.bigpipeinc.com/pipermail/stlucia_eastbremertonrotary.org/ is the link The domain name is: eastbremertonrotayr.org The mailman is installed through cpanel. If anyone knows what I must be done to the install or files please let me know. Bye for now Don Bonner Sales Manager / NISA 1000 Terminal Ave N. Nanaimo BC. V9S 4K4 Canada PH: (250) 741-8483 Website Address: http://www.nisa.com Rotary District 5020 website: http://www.rotary5020.org From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Sun Dec 7 00:40:35 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:40:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Link to archive in the admin section doesn't work. In-Reply-To: <014901c3bc51$94fda6d0$6501a8c0@NisaDon> References: <014901c3bc51$94fda6d0$6501a8c0@NisaDon> Message-ID: <20031206234035.GR602@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Don Bonner wrote: > The link to the Archive in the admin section of the maillists is > broken. > > http://h64-141-101-185.bigpipeinc.com/pipermail/stlucia_eastbremertonrotary.org/ > is the link The domain name is: eastbremertonrotayr.org > > The mailman is installed through cpanel. > > If anyone knows what I must be done to the install or files please > let me know. You don't say what version of mailman, I'll assume it's 2.1.x. Tell the hosting company to add eastbremertonrotayr.org as a virtual host and use the fix_url.py script to correct your list settings. cPanel mucks up the mailman source and then they don't make that source available to the community as the GPL requires. Please complain to them about this as well. It's just plain rude and inconsiderate of them. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Pray: To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/0mjzuv+09NZUB1oRApBoAKCMOkNEwM81jtJLEcau0LW3l+2s1gCg8yi9 jVsXJIE/7BN/o01Nh0GT0tQ= =Nq5b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rkpn at british-genealogy.com Sun Dec 7 04:16:51 2003 From: rkpn at british-genealogy.com (Rod Neep) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 03:16:51 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List admin abandons a list In-Reply-To: <1070675160.3227.179.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <18hUyuFGYS0$EAwJ@neep.demon.co.uk> <1070675160.3227.179.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <+WY2oYCjup0$EAC$@neep.demon.co.uk> In message <1070675160.3227.179.camel at localhost.localdomain>, Jon Carnes writes >On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 19:42, Rod Neep wrote: >> I have had a list admin (of three lists) *abandon* the mailing lists for >> which he was responsible. >> >> Unfortunately, he did this about three weeks ago without my knowledge >> and without any notice, and I only discovered the problem this evening. >> >> Moreover.... he just deleted his email address as list admin, leaving >> the field *blank*. >> >> Is there any way to prevent this happening again? >> For example, for the admin address to default to something else if left >> blank, or better still, for Mailman to inform me if an admin address is >> blank? >> >> Rod > >Sounds like a great job for a cron script! Try the >~mailman/bin/list_admins command in a cron script and add a bit of >logic, and Viola! You will never be caught by surprise again - though >this is the first time I've ever heard of this particular problem. Thanks John.... but that is beyond my capabilities, I think. Regards Rod -- Rod Neep Archive CD Books : http://www.archivecdbooks.org British-Genealogy: http://www.british-genealogy.com From kira at lightsphere.com Sun Dec 7 04:39:50 2003 From: kira at lightsphere.com (Jackie Hamilton) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 21:39:50 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] web permissions problem Message-ID: <032FC8A4-2867-11D8-B1AE-000393AFB92A@lightsphere.com> I've installed Mailman 2.1.3 (over a 2.1.2 install) on debian linux. It was working ok (as 2.1.2) earlier this week, but now the web interface seems broken. (I thought an upgrade would fix it, but it didn't.) The main lists page comes up ok ( http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/ ), however clicking on any of the individual lists (e.g, http://lists.cgi101.com/mailman/listinfo/announcements ) results in a "Forbidden - you don't have permission to access /mailman/listinfo/announcements on this server". I'm stumped; it'd seem like if there were a permissions problem it'd kill the main listinfo page too, but it only seems to affect the subpages. I built Mailman from scratch, specified the appropriate web user for this site, ran check_perms -f, and now check_perms says "no problems found". The only info in the apache log is: [Sat Dec 6 21:18:22 2003] [error] [client 65.66.218.210] access to /mailman/listinfo/announcements failed There is no error message in the syslog. Currently I'm using apache 1.3.29 with a lot of other drek compiled in (including suexec, although this particular domain/directory is not set up to run as any other user but the web user, so I wouldn't expect suexec to be an issue here). The web config directives are: DocumentRoot /home/mailman/public_html/ Options ExecCGI AllowOverride None Allow from from all Order allow,deny ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/ UserDir disable Anyone have any ideas as to why it's refusing to cooperate? Thanks,... -- Jackie Hamilton (kira at lightsphere.com) http://lightsphere.com From budhi19 at bi.itb.ac.id Sun Dec 7 07:24:57 2003 From: budhi19 at bi.itb.ac.id (b udhi19) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:24:57 +0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-owner problem Message-ID: Dear all, i've installed mailman 2.1.3 on My BSD machine, and run postfix as my MTA. i've create a list and then i try to sent a mail to list that i've created, but it seem not work then i check the log on my mailman directory and i found this on my smtp-failures log : Dec 06 15:59:38 2003 (499) delivery to mailman-owner at jalak.bi.itb.ac.id failed with code 450: : User unknown in local recipient table i've add aliases on my /etc/aliases but still not work... i've read FAQ, and i found the same problem as mine but it seem still not answer for that, anyone ever have this problem and have solved this problem? regard, Budhi From kira at lightsphere.com Sun Dec 7 08:18:03 2003 From: kira at lightsphere.com (Jackie Hamilton) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 01:18:03 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] web permissions problem Message-ID: <7F0E4986-2885-11D8-B1AE-000393AFB92A@lightsphere.com> I ended up building a no-frills version of apache specifically to run mailman. That solved the permissions problem. My guess is there probably is some suexec problem happening with the other server. Though after trying numerous different combinations of mailman user and cgi file permissions I never was able to get it to work (although, I'm still at a loss as to why the main listinfo cgi would work but not any subsequent scripts). I guess mailman and suexec just don't play well together. I'd be keen to try additional solutions to the problem if anyone has suggestions. -- Jackie Hamilton (kira at lightsphere.com) http://lightsphere.com From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Sun Dec 7 12:47:07 2003 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 12:47:07 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-owner problem References: Message-ID: budhi19 at bi.itb.ac.id ("b udhi19") scripsit/wrote: > Dec 06 15:59:38 2003 (499) delivery to mailman-owner at jalak.bi.itb.ac.id failed with code 450: > : User unknown in local recipient table > > i've add aliases on my /etc/aliases > but still not work... Is in your aliases file? Did you run /usr/sbin/postalias after changing the aliases file? -thh From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Dec 7 15:12:45 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 07 Dec 2003 09:12:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List admin abandons a list In-Reply-To: <+WY2oYCjup0$EAC$@neep.demon.co.uk> References: <18hUyuFGYS0$EAwJ@neep.demon.co.uk> <1070675160.3227.179.camel@localhost.localdomain> <+WY2oYCjup0$EAC$@neep.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <1070806365.14613.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 22:16, Rod Neep wrote: > In message <1070675160.3227.179.camel at localhost.localdomain>, Jon Carnes > writes > >On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 19:42, Rod Neep wrote: > >> I have had a list admin (of three lists) *abandon* the mailing lists for > >> which he was responsible. > >> > >> Unfortunately, he did this about three weeks ago without my knowledge > >> and without any notice, and I only discovered the problem this evening. > >> > >> Moreover.... he just deleted his email address as list admin, leaving > >> the field *blank*. > >> > >> Is there any way to prevent this happening again? > >> For example, for the admin address to default to something else if left > >> blank, or better still, for Mailman to inform me if an admin address is > >> blank? > >> > >> Rod > > > >Sounds like a great job for a cron script! Try the > >~mailman/bin/list_admins command in a cron script and add a bit of > >logic, and Viola! You will never be caught by surprise again - though > >this is the first time I've ever heard of this particular problem. > > Thanks John.... but that is beyond my capabilities, I think. > > Regards > Rod Well this one liner will print out any lists that doesn't have an admin: /var/mailman/bin/list_admins -a |grep "Owners: $" Here is a general script for it: #! /bin/bash # mm_list_admin_chk - This script checks all local Mailman # mailing lists and reports any without admins # j="" for i in `/var/mailman/bin/list_admins -a |grep "Owners: $"| \ cut -f2 "-d "` do j=$j$i done # # If $j has anything in it, then there is a list without admins # Mail that fact to me! # if [ ! "" = "$j" ]; then echo The following lists have no admins: $j | \ mail -s "Mailman Alert: lists missing Admins" myemail at mydomain.com fi Stick that in a daily cronjob run via mailman or root and you are done 0 4 * * * /usr/local/sbin/mm_list_admin_chk Note: I haven't tested the script Jon Carnes From rah at shipwright.com Sun Dec 7 19:53:11 2003 From: rah at shipwright.com (R. A. Hettinga) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 13:53:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Panther??? Message-ID: Has anyone got a cold install of Mailman running on Mac OS X 10.3 (no, not Panther server, it comes pre-installed there :-)) yet? I walked through the Jaguar (server) install walk-through found at , and read the mailman INSTALL file, etc., but when I created a new list with the web interface, it burbled out an error page (appended below), and mailing to the list addresses, after various twiddles, either get sent to me (which I stopped by removing myself as the universal recipient of undeliverable mail :-)) failed outright (see log, below), or bounced because I forgot to turn on the POP server (the one, UW's, I think, that comes with a rather handy app called Postfix Enabler, and, yes, I know, if I'd bought Panther Server, I'd have Cyrus *and* Mailman, and, no, again, I'm not buying Panther Server :-)) Anyway, if anyone's got any ideas on how to dig out of this, or, better, has gotten Mailman running on Panther the hard way :-) and wants to compare notes, let me know. Thanks! Cheers, RAH various mail.log clippage: >Dec 7 12:45:02 bullae postfix/smtpd[1854]: A4C32F2181: reject: RCPT from >bullae.ibuc.com[66.149.49.5]: 450 : User unknown in >local recipient table; from= >to= proto=ESMTP helo=<[66.149.49.5]> Bug report from mailman/create: >Bug in Mailman version 2.1.3 > >We're sorry, we hit a bug! > >If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of >this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what >happened. Thanks! > >Traceback: > > >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/Users/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main > main() > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main > process_request(doc, cgidata) > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 219, in process_request > sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create > _update_maps() > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in _update_maps > raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) >RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias >/Users/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) > > > > >Python information: > >Variable >Value > >sys.version >2.3 (#1, Sep 13 2003, 00:49:11) [GCC 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. >build 1495)] > >sys.executable >/usr/bin/python > >sys.prefix >/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3 > >sys.exec_prefix >/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3 > >sys.path >/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3 > >sys.platform >darwin > >Environment variables: > >Variable >Value > >HTTP_REFERER >http://bullae.ibuc.com/mailman/create > >SERVER_SOFTWARE >Apache/1.3.28 (Darwin) PHP/4.3.4 > >SCRIPT_NAME >/mailman/create > >SERVER_SIGNATURE >Apache/1.3.28 Server at user-119ac85.biz.mindspring.com Port 80 > >REQUEST_METHOD >POST > >SERVER_PROTOCOL >HTTP/1.1 > >QUERY_STRING > >CONTENT_LENGTH >140 > >HTTP_USER_AGENT >Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/103u (KHTML, like >Gecko) Safari/100.1 > >HTTP_CONNECTION >close > >SERVER_NAME >user-119ac85.biz.mindspring.com > >REMOTE_ADDR >66.149.49.5 > >SERVER_PORT >80 > >SERVER_ADDR >66.149.49.5 > >DOCUMENT_ROOT >/Library/WebServer/Documents > >PYTHONPATH >/Users/mailman > >SCRIPT_FILENAME >/Users/mailman/cgi-bin/create > >SERVER_ADMIN >[no address given] > >SCRIPT_URI >http://user-119ac85.biz.mindspring.com/mailman/create > >HTTP_HOST >bullae.ibuc.com > >SCRIPT_URL >/mailman/create > >REQUEST_URI >/mailman/create > >HTTP_ACCEPT >*/* > >GATEWAY_INTERFACE >CGI/1.1 > >REMOTE_PORT >50773 > >HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE >en, ja;q=0.92, ja-jp;q=0.96, fr;q=0.88, de-de;q=0.85, de;q=0.81, >es;q=0.77, it-it;q=0.73, it;q=0.69, nl-nl;q=0.65, nl;q=0.62, sv-se;q=0.58, >sv;q=0.54, no-no;q=0.50, no;q=0.46, da-dk;q=0.42, da;q=0.38, fi-fi;q=0.35, >fi;q=0.31, pt-pt;q=0.27, pt;q=0.23 > >__CF_USER_TEXT_ENCODING >0x46:0:0 > >CONTENT_TYPE >application/x-www-form-urlencoded > >HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING >gzip, deflate;q=1.0, identity;q=0.5, *;q=0 -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Sun Dec 7 20:23:16 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 14:23:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Panther??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031207192316.GA602@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 R. A. Hettinga wrote: > I walked through the Jaguar (server) install walk-through found at > , and read the > mailman INSTALL file, etc., but when I created a new list with the web > interface, it burbled out an error page (appended below) [...] >>Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/Users/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main >> main() >> File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main >> process_request(doc, cgidata) >> File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 219, in process_request >> sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) >> File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create >> _update_maps() >> File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in _update_maps >> raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) >>RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias >>/Users/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) This looks like the typical permission problem or path issue discussed in this FAQ entry: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.009.htp - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== I advise you to go on living solely to enrage those who are paying your annuities. It is the only pleasure I have left. -- Voltaire -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/034juv+09NZUB1oRAhnaAJ9IWf+ES7Gsgtg35ax/SDe3rncUMACdF6CG ODFnidDhmqiNTAX1kYGbAD4= =fKck -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rah at shipwright.com Sun Dec 7 21:34:17 2003 From: rah at shipwright.com (R. A. Hettinga) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:34:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Panther??? In-Reply-To: <20031207192316.GA602@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <20031207192316.GA602@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: At 2:23 PM -0500 12/7/03, Todd wrote: >This looks like the typical permission problem or path issue discussed >in this FAQ entry: > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.009.htp even better, /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases doesn't even exist. there's not much in usr/local except for bin (which contains R, which I remember downloading a few weeks ago but not getting to work...), libexec and php directories. One begins to suspect Infinite Loop's reality distortion field at work, here, somewhere... Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' From pbertain at mac.com Sun Dec 7 22:26:07 2003 From: pbertain at mac.com (Paul Bertain) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 13:26:07 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Panther??? In-Reply-To: References: <20031207192316.GA602@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: It's not much consolation but Mac OS X Server has Mailman installed by default and is easy to setup from the Server Admin.app utility. As far as the afp548.com link, have you checked in the ~mailman (/Users/mailman) directory for a bin directory? That's where the article shows the "data" directory should be. On Dec 7, 2003, at 12:34 PM, R. A. Hettinga wrote: > At 2:23 PM -0500 12/7/03, Todd wrote: >> This looks like the typical permission problem or path issue discussed >> in this FAQ entry: >> >> >> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.009.htp > > even better, /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases doesn't even exist. > there's > not much in usr/local except for bin (which contains R, which I > remember > downloading a few weeks ago but not getting to work...), libexec and > php > directories. > > One begins to suspect Infinite Loop's reality distortion field at work, > here, somewhere... > > Cheers, > RAH > > -- > ----------------- > R. A. Hettinga > The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation > 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA > "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, > [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to > experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: pbertain at mac.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/pbertain%40mac.com From rah at shipwright.com Sun Dec 7 22:35:26 2003 From: rah at shipwright.com (R. A. Hettinga) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:35:26 -0500 Subject: RTFRM? (was Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Panther???) In-Reply-To: References: <20031207192316.GA602@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: At 1:26 PM -0800 12/7/03, Paul Bertain wrote: >It's not much consolation but Mac OS X Server has Mailman installed by >default and is easy to setup from the Server Admin.app utility. Right, and I get to pay around a grand for the privilege. :-). I'm managing to muddle through. I'm saving my pennies for a dual G5 XServe, whenever that happens. In the meantime, I've got a dual 2gig G5 sitting here warming up my toes, so I figure it'll have to do. :-). >As far as the afp548.com link, have you checked in the ~mailman >(/Users/mailman) directory for a bin directory? That's where the >article shows the "data" directory should be. Yup. And, now that I know what I'm supposed to look for, I'm reading the README.POSTFIX file for good measure. Looks like I missed a few things. As people here have noticed, Postfix and Mailman haven't been properly introduced yet. (RTFRM? Naaaawwwwww...) I'm plinking along on the punchlist here, if I get stuck again, or, better, if I get it working, :-) I'll pop up here and tell you guys what happened. Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' From simon at caperet.com Mon Dec 8 09:33:37 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:33:37 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] In a pickle Message-ID: <20031208083336.GA22181@mediadev.com> Hello I've seen a few messages with this error in the searchable archive, but no responses. I've tried to list as much info as I can below. The setup was working fine until a couple of days ago when an automatic script for subscribe/unsubscribe suddenly seemed to break things. However the server had some new RAM put in it recently and may have been rebooted without a proper shutdown. It's in a colocated hosting facility and the techs there don't seem too bright sometimes... /usr/local/mailman/bin# ./version Using Mailman version: 2.1.2 --> should I upgrade? I feel I should fix the problem first. /usr/local/mailman/bin# ./list_lists Traceback (most recent call last): File "./list_lists", line 122, in ? main() File "./list_lists", line 94, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 124, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 583, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 556, in __load dict = loadfunc(fp) cPickle.UnpicklingError: invalid load key, ''. (add_members, check_db, remove_members all give similar errors) Kernel/OS Linux 2.4.18-bf2.4 (Debian) Mailman installed from source. This was working fine earlier. Couple of observations /usr/local/mailman/locks# ls -l total 8 -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 58 Dec 8 2003 master-qrunner -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 58 Dec 8 2003 master-qrunner.hostname.275 (I deleted a couple of listname.hostname.nnn lock files to see if it would help, it didn't) /usr/local/mailman/lists/listname# ls -l -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 1843200 Dec 6 09:08 config.pck.last -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 1670681 Sep 10 16:02 config.pck.safety -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 29 Dec 5 08:00 request.db (I recreated the config.pck by copying config.pck.last; didn't make any difference). /usr/local/mailman/data# ls -l total 76 -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 3501 Jun 23 16:47 aliases -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 12288 Jun 24 15:44 aliases.db -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 10 May 9 2003 last_mailman_version -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 4 Dec 6 10:53 master-qrunner.pid -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 35467 Dec 5 23:57 pending.pck -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 14110 Jun 26 11:27 sitelist.cfg Thanks for any help, -- Simon White From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Dec 8 17:51:02 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 08 Dec 2003 11:51:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] In a pickle In-Reply-To: <20031208083336.GA22181@mediadev.com> References: <20031208083336.GA22181@mediadev.com> Message-ID: <1070902262.4517.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Do you have a config.pck.last for that list? Try renaming your current config.pck and copy over the config.pck.last and see if that works. If so, then you have a corrupt config.pck file and "check_db" should have been able to fix this. Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-12-08 at 03:33, Simon White wrote: > Hello > > I've seen a few messages with this error in the searchable archive, but > no responses. I've tried to list as much info as I can below. The setup > was working fine until a couple of days ago when an automatic script for > subscribe/unsubscribe suddenly seemed to break things. However the > server had some new RAM put in it recently and may have been rebooted > without a proper shutdown. It's in a colocated hosting facility and the > techs there don't seem too bright sometimes... > > /usr/local/mailman/bin# ./version > Using Mailman version: 2.1.2 --> should I upgrade? I feel I should fix > the problem first. > > /usr/local/mailman/bin# ./list_lists > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "./list_lists", line 122, in ? > main() > File "./list_lists", line 94, in main > mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 124, in __init__ > self.Load() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 583, in Load > dict, e = self.__load(file) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 556, in __load > dict = loadfunc(fp) > cPickle.UnpicklingError: invalid load key, ''. > (add_members, check_db, remove_members all give similar errors) > > Kernel/OS Linux 2.4.18-bf2.4 (Debian) > > Mailman installed from source. > > This was working fine earlier. Couple of observations > > /usr/local/mailman/locks# ls -l > total 8 > -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 58 Dec 8 2003 master-qrunner > -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 58 Dec 8 2003 master-qrunner.hostname.275 > (I deleted a couple of listname.hostname.nnn lock files to see if it > would help, it didn't) > > /usr/local/mailman/lists/listname# ls -l > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 1843200 Dec 6 09:08 config.pck.last > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 1670681 Sep 10 16:02 config.pck.safety > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 29 Dec 5 08:00 request.db > (I recreated the config.pck by copying config.pck.last; didn't make any > difference). > > /usr/local/mailman/data# ls -l > total 76 > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 3501 Jun 23 16:47 aliases > -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 12288 Jun 24 15:44 aliases.db > -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 10 May 9 2003 last_mailman_version > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 4 Dec 6 10:53 master-qrunner.pid > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 35467 Dec 5 23:57 pending.pck > -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 14110 Jun 26 11:27 sitelist.cfg > > Thanks for any help, From simon at caperet.com Mon Dec 8 18:04:16 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:04:16 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] In a pickle In-Reply-To: <1070902262.4517.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20031208083336.GA22181@mediadev.com> <1070902262.4517.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031208170415.GQ22181@mediadev.com> 08-Dec-03 at 11:51, Jon Carnes (jonc at nc.rr.com) wrote : > Do you have a config.pck.last for that list? Try renaming your current > config.pck and copy over the config.pck.last and see if that works. I didn't have a config.pck at all, I did cp -r config.pck.last to get the one I currently have. > If so, then you have a corrupt config.pck file and "check_db" should > have been able to fix this. sd25:/usr/local/mailman/bin# ./check_db List-Name Traceback (most recent call last): File "./check_db", line 153, in ? main() File "./check_db", line 121, in main mlist = MailList(listname, lock=0) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 124, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 583, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 556, in __load dict = loadfunc(fp) cPickle.UnpicklingError: invalid load key, ''. Here's the directory listing: > > /usr/local/mailman/lists/listname# ls -l > > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 1843200 Dec 6 09:08 config.pck.last > > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 1670681 Sep 10 16:02 config.pck.safety > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 29 Dec 5 08:00 request.db > > (I recreated the config.pck by copying config.pck.last; didn't make any > > difference). So... I can't use config.pck.safety it's too old and unsubscribers will go crazy. I have a backup somewhere that's more recent though, I could go get that, but I'm worried about check_db spewing that error about invalid load key... -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From spamtrap at daphne.gnuu.de Sun Dec 7 22:34:22 2003 From: spamtrap at daphne.gnuu.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Thomas_H=FChn?=) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 22:34:22 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archives url problem Message-ID: <3FD39CDE.2090806@daphne.gnuu.de> [sorry for not having an In-Reply-To; I've seen this in the list's web archive and am not subscribed] Hi I've had the same problem as L?nyi R?bert. In my case the problem seems to be that the archive page uses a relative link "[ Thread ]" But if you have opened the archive page as http://list.somewhere.invalid/mailman/private/some-list this relative link doesn't work. Use http://list.somewhere.invalid/mailman/private/some-list/ instead (note the trailing slash). HTH Thomas From thh at inter.net Sun Dec 7 20:54:58 2003 From: thh at inter.net (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 20:54:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Download References: <11142E5E82DDD411940E006008F617AC01B87648@Hyperion.reg-schw.bayern.de> Message-ID: josef.proell at reg-schw.bayern.de (Pr?ll Josef) scripsit/wrote: > He says: Virus "Exploit-MIME.gen" in File mailman-2.1-3.tgz found. > > Can it be true? "Exploit-MIME.gen" does not sound like a virus, but like some exploit based on broken MIME-handling in some clients (MS Outlook / Outlook Express comes to mind ...). So quite probably sime code to handle MIME-attachments (to scan, strip, etc.) has triggered a false alert. Perhaps you'd like to check what the documentation of your scanner can tell you about "Exploit-MIME.gen". -thh -- Thomas Hochstein | thh at mail.th-h.de | http://www.th-h.de/ From thh at inter.net Sun Dec 7 21:06:18 2003 From: thh at inter.net (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 21:06:18 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Send Limits References: <000c01c3b8eb$9ba960a0$408bfea9@MJX2Michael> Message-ID: Michael at Jasinski.com ("Michael Jasinski") scripsit/wrote: > What is the mail list size limit: > > Max # of members? > Max # of members that one list can send? > If limited, by how much and what happened to excess members. From cjskala at bellsouth.net Sat Dec 6 02:52:27 2003 From: cjskala at bellsouth.net (Chuck) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 20:52:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing list Message-ID: <3FD1365B.9050405@bellsouth.net> I just started a mailing list and am trying to make it a non moderated list (so that I am the only one to email to my list). How do I do this? Chuck From dave.filchak at zuka.net Sat Dec 6 19:16:51 2003 From: dave.filchak at zuka.net (Dave Filchak) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:16:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi user Message-ID: Hello all, At this point, I am using the default install of Mailman that came with RedHat 9 and have updated the rpms to the latest RedHat release. However, I have always ran apache as another user other than the default apache. So naturally, when I try to go to the initial default mailman list that I set up while doing the initial setup and config of Mailman, I get the error : Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the CGI wrapper script to be executed as one of the following groups: [apache], but the system's web server executed the CGI script as group: "webadmin". Try tweaking the web server to run the script as one of these groups: [apache], or re-run configure providing the command line option: '--with-cgi-gid=webadmin'. So my question is, other than re-installing Mailman from source, is there a way to: A: change a config option in the current installation to allow this to execute cgi as user webadmin or B: re-install from RPM using an install option --with-cgi-gid=webadmin Any help would be appreciated. Cheers Dave David Filchak President - Zuka Inc. art | technology | strategy | solutions www.zuka.net | www.screamingmedia.ca From florian.kinast at openmindit.net Mon Dec 8 00:22:03 2003 From: florian.kinast at openmindit.net (Kinast Florian) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 00:22:03 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] from mailman-bounce in behalf of... Message-ID: <20031207231556.D6E4F4D6F9@vienna.seadon.net> Hi, My Situation: I installed mailman(2.1.3) on my gentoo box with postfix. Actually after some minor problems, which I could solve by searching the web everything runs fine. My problem: If I post something to a list (as a regular subscribed user) the list responses as: -bounces even though and don't see any bounce in that situation. The funny thing is, that in the log files it does not appear in the bounce-log, but as I want it to in the post-log. Question: Can anyone explain this behaviour to me, or give me a solution or some hints to that problem. regards, Flox From beckert+mailman-users at ecos.de Mon Dec 8 20:51:47 2003 From: beckert+mailman-users at ecos.de (Axel Beckert) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:51:47 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing to several lists at once? / Customized confirmation subjects In-Reply-To: <20031205175029.GA3857@ecos.de> References: <20031205175029.GA3857@ecos.de> Message-ID: <20031208195147.GA4034@ecos.de> Hi! On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 06:50:29PM +0100, Axel Beckert wrote: > Another little customization thingy: > > IIRC Mailman 2.0.x had confirmation mail subjects looking like this: > > | listname -- confirmation of subscription -- request XXXXXX > > The new ones look just like this: > > | confirm xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Is it easily possible to customize this subject to be a little bit > more understandable for a non-english speaking, non-technical > audience, e.g. by a descriptive prefix in the configured language? Or > do I need to patch Mailman and/or create new locales? Default.py suggests to use VERP_CONFIRMATIONS: # For nicer confirmation emails, use a VERP-like format which encodes the # confirmation cookie in the reply address. This lets us put a more user # friendly Subject: on the message, but requires cooperation from the MTA. # Format is like VERP_FORMAT above, but with the following substitutions: But doing an "find Mailman -type f -print0 | xargs -0 fgrep VERP_CONFIRMATIONS" shows that this feature only seems to be implemented for invitations. Am I right with this or did I oversee something? Is using this feature for subscription confirmation planned for a soon coming release? Checked the CVS, but MailList.py just has a 3 line patch. Kind regards, Axel Beckert -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Axel Beckert ecos electronic communication services gmbh it security solutions * dynamic web applications * consulting Mail: Tulpenstrasse 5 D-55276 Dienheim near Mainz E-Mail: beckert at ecos.de Voice: +49 6133 939-220 WWW: http://www.ecos.de/ Fax: +49 6133 939-333 ------------------------------------------------------------- From caver at verizon.net Mon Dec 8 21:07:26 2003 From: caver at verizon.net (Seth Lake) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 15:07:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Having Problems with Different Port Message-ID: <00f101c3bdc8$249db510$6400a8c0@papasan> Howdy. Here's my situation... my DSL ISP (verizon) blocks port 80. I registered a domain and found a dynamic DNS service that will forward requests. i forward 'www.on-rope.net' to 'on-rope.net:8080'. at my firewall i forward all port 8080 traffic to port 80 on the www server. so far not bad, but now i try to get mailman working... just setting... DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'on-rope.net' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.on-rope.net' ...doesn't work because when your browser hits 'http://on-rope.net:8080/mailman/listinfo' mailman says 'no lists on on-rope.net:8080'. okay, so try and set... DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'on-rope.net' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'on-rope.net:8080' ...doesn't work right. on the main index page there's a main email address, 'mailman at on-rope.net'. but instead of that, what it should be, it says 'mailman at on-rope.net:8080' and i can't figure out where this is set or how to change it. another problem i have is when a user clicks on the archive link the link tries to send the user to 'http://www.on-rope.net/mailman/private//'. interestingly, this does not happen on empty archives, only after a message has gone though the list. i fixed / hacked this problem by putting this in my config file... PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://on-rope.net:8080/pipermail/%(listname)s' ...which seemed to work. so okay, now i seem to have pretty much everything working okay except for the mailman email address on the main page. no big deal, i guess i can live with that. i'm doing all this at work so i can make sure it works from outside the firewall and ISP's blocked ports and all that. and, at the end of the day, i go home. hmm, more problems. i can access any of my web stuff at home. when i go to my web server ('http://www.on-rope.net/mailman/listinfo' from home, no need for port forwarding) there are no lists. i edit my apache config and add 'Listen *:8080' and then try 'www.on-rope.net:8080' but mailman still says no lists. this may be because of the 'www' but without the hostname my brwser just spins it's wheels at home, doesn't know where to get the page from. i notice that there's no port in the page heading when i'm at home, at work the main heading is 'on-rope.net:8080 Mailing Lists' but when i'm at home the heading is 'www.on-rope.net Mailing Lists' no matter what port i put in. so how can i access the same lists from home and abroad? i don't need/want to host more than a few lists and i have a feeling that the virtual host system is what's messing with me. is there a way to turn it off? i tried this... add_virtualhost('www.on-rope.net', DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) ...to no avail. any help is greatly appreciated. From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Dec 8 21:33:11 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 08 Dec 2003 15:33:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] In a pickle In-Reply-To: <20031208170415.GQ22181@mediadev.com> References: <20031208083336.GA22181@mediadev.com> <1070902262.4517.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031208170415.GQ22181@mediadev.com> Message-ID: <1070915590.4964.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sounds bad kemosabee. The backup is the way to go. You might be able to use "strings config.pck" and get a string dump of the file that has some helpful information. Good Luck! On Mon, 2003-12-08 at 12:04, Simon White wrote: > 08-Dec-03 at 11:51, Jon Carnes (jonc at nc.rr.com) wrote : > > Do you have a config.pck.last for that list? Try renaming your current > > config.pck and copy over the config.pck.last and see if that works. > > I didn't have a config.pck at all, I did cp -r config.pck.last to get > the one I currently have. > > > If so, then you have a corrupt config.pck file and "check_db" should > > have been able to fix this. > > sd25:/usr/local/mailman/bin# ./check_db List-Name > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "./check_db", line 153, in ? > main() > File "./check_db", line 121, in main > mlist = MailList(listname, lock=0) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 124, in __init__ > self.Load() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 583, in Load > dict, e = self.__load(file) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 556, in __load > dict = loadfunc(fp) > cPickle.UnpicklingError: invalid load key, ''. > > Here's the directory listing: > > > > /usr/local/mailman/lists/listname# ls -l > > > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 1843200 Dec 6 09:08 config.pck.last > > > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 1670681 Sep 10 16:02 config.pck.safety > > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 29 Dec 5 08:00 request.db > > > (I recreated the config.pck by copying config.pck.last; didn't make any > > > difference). > > So... I can't use config.pck.safety it's too old and unsubscribers will > go crazy. I have a backup somewhere that's more recent though, I could > go get that, but I'm worried about check_db spewing that error about > invalid load key... From beckert+mailman-users at ecos.de Mon Dec 8 21:57:41 2003 From: beckert+mailman-users at ecos.de (Axel Beckert) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:57:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [PATCH] Subscription Confirmation via VERP (was: Re: Subscribing to several lists at once? / Customized confirmation subjects) In-Reply-To: <20031208195147.GA4034@ecos.de> References: <20031205175029.GA3857@ecos.de> <20031208195147.GA4034@ecos.de> Message-ID: <20031208205741.GC4110@ecos.de> Hi! At least one problem is solved now: Am Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 08:51:47PM +0100, Axel Beckert schrieb: > > The new ones look just like this: > > > > | confirm xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Is it easily possible to customize this subject to be a little bit > > more understandable for a non-english speaking, non-technical > > audience, e.g. by a descriptive prefix in the configured language? Or > > do I need to patch Mailman and/or create new locales? > > Default.py suggests to use VERP_CONFIRMATIONS: > > # For nicer confirmation emails, use a VERP-like format which encodes the > # confirmation cookie in the reply address. This lets us put a more user > # friendly Subject: on the message, but requires cooperation from the MTA. > # Format is like VERP_FORMAT above, but with the following substitutions: > > But doing an "find Mailman -type f -print0 | xargs -0 fgrep > VERP_CONFIRMATIONS" shows that this feature only seems to be > implemented for invitations. This patch works for me at least for a few short tests: > diff -C3 MailList.py.backup MailList.py *** MailList.py.backup Mon Dec 8 21:04:18 2003 --- MailList.py Mon Dec 8 21:52:30 2003 *************** *** 836,843 **** text=text, lang=lang) # BAW: See ChangeMemberAddress() for why we do it this way... del msg['subject'] ! msg['Subject'] = 'confirm ' + cookie ! msg['Reply-To'] = self.GetRequestEmail() msg.send(self) who = formataddr((name, email)) syslog('subscribe', '%s: pending %s %s', --- 836,847 ---- text=text, lang=lang) # BAW: See ChangeMemberAddress() for why we do it this way... del msg['subject'] ! if mm_cfg.VERP_CONFIRMATIONS: ! msg['Subject'] = 'Please confirm your subscription' ! msg['Reply-To'] = self.GetConfirmEmail(cookie) ! else: ! msg['Subject'] = 'confirm ' + cookie ! msg['Reply-To'] = self.GetRequestEmail() msg.send(self) who = formataddr((name, email)) syslog('subscribe', '%s: pending %s %s', Next challenge (for me as a really bloody Python newbie who is used to hack Perl :) is to get the subject out of the locales. HTH. Kind regards, Axel Beckert -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Axel Beckert ecos electronic communication services gmbh it security solutions * dynamic web applications * consulting Mail: Tulpenstrasse 5 D-55276 Dienheim near Mainz E-Mail: beckert at ecos.de Voice: +49 6133 939-220 WWW: http://www.ecos.de/ Fax: +49 6133 939-333 ------------------------------------------------------------- From flox at gmx.at Mon Dec 8 23:04:07 2003 From: flox at gmx.at (Kinast Florian) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:04:07 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] from mailman-bounce in behalf of... Message-ID: <20031208215749.9227F4D7EC@vienna.seadon.net> Hi, My Situation: I installed mailman(2.1.3) on my gentoo box with postfix. Actually after some minor problems, which I could solve by searching the web everything runs fine. My problem: If I post something to a list (as a regular subscribed user) the list responses as: -bounces even though and don't see any bounce in that situation. The funny thing is, that in the log files it does not appear in the bounce-log, but as I want it to in the post-log. Question: Can anyone explain this behaviour to me, or give me a solution or some hints to that problem. regards, Flox From qralston+ml.mailman-users at andrew.cmu.edu Tue Dec 9 02:43:47 2003 From: qralston+ml.mailman-users at andrew.cmu.edu (James Ralston) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:43:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature request: rules on new mailing list names? Message-ID: <51060000.1070934227@shieldbreaker.l33tskillz.org> I've skimmed the FAQ and the mailing list archives, but I didn't see this subject come up... I'm using Mailman 2.1.1. I really need to be able to prevent people who are using the "list creator" role from being able to create mailing lists with certain names. I'd like to be able to specify a list of regular expressions to consider "bad", like so: ^postmaster$ ^abuse$ ^news$ -request$ ^owner- Ideally, I'd also like to be able to enforce a rule that all mailing list names must match a certain regular expression. E.g.: ^[:alpha:][:alnum:]*(-[:alnum:]+)*$ A new list name would only be permitted if it didn't match any of the "bad" regular expressions *and* matched the "good" regular expression. While I'm not very familiar with Python, from a cursory examination of the code, it would appear that Mailman doesn't offer this feature. Am I mistaken? Assuming I'm not mistaken, would there be any resistance to adding this feature? And what would be the best mechanism to do so? Regards, -- James Ralston, Information Technology Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA, USA From mailman at davidpruitt.com Tue Dec 9 05:45:59 2003 From: mailman at davidpruitt.com (David Pruitt) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:45:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with mm-handler Message-ID: <56805.216.88.115.40.1070945159.squirrel@webmail.cacklehoof.com> Hello all, I am having one hell of a problem. I installed mailman, and added the mm-handler per the instructions, but when I try sending e-mail to my list, I recieve the following message: Remote host said: 554 5.3.5 buildaddr: unknown mailer mailman My mailertable points the domain to mailman:mydomain.com - it's almost as if mailman is not being accepted by sendmail as a mailer? Any ideas? -DP From caver at verizon.net Tue Dec 9 03:46:15 2003 From: caver at verizon.net (Seth Lake) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:46:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Having Problems with Different Port References: <00f101c3bdc8$249db510$6400a8c0@papasan> Message-ID: <004401c3bdff$ff39e400$6400a8c0@papasan> other non-80 port related issues... made a group 'Test' locally (via 'www.on-rope.net:8080') and it shows up in the external listinfo and the internal listinfo, but the other pre-existing lists still don't show up locally. externally if you go to a list info page (1 page in from the entry page) the bottom link 'Overview of all on-rope.net mailing lists' still manages to drop the port. perhaps there should be a... DEFAULT_URL_PORT = '80' ...variable. i've put alot of time getting postfix / mailman up and running, it'll be a shame to have to scrap it all for qmail / ezmlm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Seth Lake" To: Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:07 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Having Problems with Different Port Howdy. Here's my situation... my DSL ISP (verizon) blocks port 80. I registered a domain and found a dynamic DNS service that will forward requests. i forward 'www.on-rope.net' to 'on-rope.net:8080'. at my firewall i forward all port 8080 traffic to port 80 on the www server. so far not bad, but now i try to get mailman working... just setting... DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'on-rope.net' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.on-rope.net' ...doesn't work because when your browser hits 'http://on-rope.net:8080/mailman/listinfo' mailman says 'no lists on on-rope.net:8080'. okay, so try and set... DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'on-rope.net' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'on-rope.net:8080' ...doesn't work right. on the main index page there's a main email address, 'mailman at on-rope.net'. but instead of that, what it should be, it says 'mailman at on-rope.net:8080' and i can't figure out where this is set or how to change it. another problem i have is when a user clicks on the archive link the link tries to send the user to 'http://www.on-rope.net/mailman/private//'. interestingly, this does not happen on empty archives, only after a message has gone though the list. i fixed / hacked this problem by putting this in my config file... PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://on-rope.net:8080/pipermail/%(listname)s' ...which seemed to work. so okay, now i seem to have pretty much everything working okay except for the mailman email address on the main page. no big deal, i guess i can live with that. i'm doing all this at work so i can make sure it works from outside the firewall and ISP's blocked ports and all that. and, at the end of the day, i go home. hmm, more problems. i can access any of my web stuff at home. when i go to my web server ('http://www.on-rope.net/mailman/listinfo' from home, no need for port forwarding) there are no lists. i edit my apache config and add 'Listen *:8080' and then try 'www.on-rope.net:8080' but mailman still says no lists. this may be because of the 'www' but without the hostname my brwser just spins it's wheels at home, doesn't know where to get the page from. i notice that there's no port in the page heading when i'm at home, at work the main heading is 'on-rope.net:8080 Mailing Lists' but when i'm at home the heading is 'www.on-rope.net Mailing Lists' no matter what port i put in. so how can i access the same lists from home and abroad? i don't need/want to host more than a few lists and i have a feeling that the virtual host system is what's messing with me. is there a way to turn it off? i tried this... add_virtualhost('www.on-rope.net', DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) ...to no avail. any help is greatly appreciated. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: caver at verizon.net Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/caver%40verizon.net From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Dec 9 04:14:26 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 08 Dec 2003 22:14:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature request: rules on new mailing list names? In-Reply-To: <51060000.1070934227@shieldbreaker.l33tskillz.org> References: <51060000.1070934227@shieldbreaker.l33tskillz.org> Message-ID: <1070939666.4964.98.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-12-08 at 20:43, James Ralston wrote: > I've skimmed the FAQ and the mailing list archives, but I didn't see > this subject come up... > > I'm using Mailman 2.1.1. I really need to be able to prevent people > who are using the "list creator" role from being able to create > mailing lists with certain names. > > I'd like to be able to specify a list of regular expressions to > consider "bad", like so: > > ^postmaster$ > ^abuse$ > ^news$ > -request$ > ^owner- > > Ideally, I'd also like to be able to enforce a rule that all mailing > list names must match a certain regular expression. E.g.: > > ^[:alpha:][:alnum:]*(-[:alnum:]+)*$ > > A new list name would only be permitted if it didn't match any of the > "bad" regular expressions *and* matched the "good" regular expression. > > While I'm not very familiar with Python, from a cursory examination of > the code, it would appear that Mailman doesn't offer this feature. Am > I mistaken? > > Assuming I'm not mistaken, would there be any resistance to adding > this feature? And what would be the best mechanism to do so? > > Regards, This is almost trivial. Modify the file ~mailman/Mailman/Utils.py The first defined function therein is "list_exists" which is used when creating a new list to determine if the list can be created. def list_exists(listname): """Return true iff list `listname' exists.""" # The existance of any of the following file proves the list exists # : config.pck, config.pck.last, config.db, config.db.last # # The former two are for 2.1alpha3 and beyond, while the latter # two are for all earlier versions. basepath = Site.get_listpath(listname) for ext in ('.pck', '.pck.last', '.db', '.db.last'): dbfile = os.path.join(basepath, 'config' + ext) if os.path.exists(dbfile): return 1 return 0 You could simply add your restrictions in here (but be sure to read up on how Regular Expressions work in Python - they are different than what your used to in shell expansions)... Alternately, as the code points out, you could simply create a directory under ~mailman/lists/ and then "touch config.db" in that directory: mkdir ~mailman/lists/postmaster touch ~mailman/lists/postmaster/config.db Viola! Now no user can create a list called "postmaster". HtH - Jon Carnes From james at giantrobot.co.nz Tue Dec 9 05:14:26 2003 From: james at giantrobot.co.nz (James Tyson) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:14:26 +1300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with cgi's Message-ID: <2D68E622-29FE-11D8-BE0A-000A957DCC26@giantrobot.co.nz> Hi all. We've just upgraded our main server and along with that have upgraded mailman to Debian sarge's 2.1.3-1. I was trying to manually copy the lists over (there are only two with < 30 subscribers each) when I noticed that any changes I make on the "Membership Management..." pages don't apply. I can't mass subscribe, mass unsubscribe or modify any of the list members. I can only seem to do it using the command line tools (add_member, etc). CGI's are running on Caudium 1.2.31 and has the exact same configuration as the old server which is running mailman 2.0.11-1woody5. Also of note is that it's only the "Membership Management..." pages that are not working, all the others work fine. I can create new lists and change all their settings via the CGI's fine. Anyone have any ideas? --- James Tyson Director, Giant Robot Ltd http://www.giantrobot.co.nz/ From Members at hotbox.beccasheaven.com Tue Dec 9 05:16:36 2003 From: Members at hotbox.beccasheaven.com (ID 10 Thead) Date: 08 Dec 2003 23:16:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some folks think I'm not to bright... Message-ID: <1070943396.4964.102.camel@localhost.localdomain> Cause i subscribed my list to mailman-users at python.org and now anyone who sends to that list gets a reject from me... Well I am brite! I'm just anti-social :~( From qralston+ml.mailman-users at andrew.cmu.edu Tue Dec 9 07:08:29 2003 From: qralston+ml.mailman-users at andrew.cmu.edu (James Ralston) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 01:08:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature request: rules on new mailing list names? In-Reply-To: <1070939666.4964.98.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <51060000.1070934227@shieldbreaker.l33tskillz.org> <1070939666.4964.98.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <53480000.1070950109@shieldbreaker.l33tskillz.org> On 2003-12-08 at 22:14:26-0500 Jon Carnes wrote: > Modify the file ~mailman/Mailman/Utils.py > def list_exists(listname) Thanks for the tip. Making list_exists() lie in order to prevent the creation of undesirable lists seems like a kluge, though. Wouldn't it be better to have a function, like acceptable_list_name(), and then ensure that the appropriate Mailman functions call it as well as list_exists()? The acceptable_list_name() function could read variables out of mm_cfg.py to control its operation; hacking on Utils.py wouldn't be necessary at all. > Alternately, as the code points out, you could simply create a > directory under ~mailman/lists/ and then "touch config.db" in that > directory: > mkdir ~mailman/lists/postmaster > touch ~mailman/lists/postmaster/config.db But that causes ~mailman/bin/genaliases to die, which is unacceptable, because (at least for now) I'm using ~mailman/bin/genaliases to automatically integrate Mailman's aliases into sendmail. Thanks, James From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Tue Dec 9 08:03:43 2003 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 08:03:43 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] from mailman-bounce in behalf of... References: <20031208215749.9227F4D7EC@vienna.seadon.net> Message-ID: flox at gmx.at ("Kinast Florian") scripsit/wrote: > If I post something to a list (as a regular subscribed user) the list > responses as: > > -bounces even though and don't see any bounce in that situation. That is correct behaviour and should ensure that bounces while delivering the mail from your list go to the bounce-handling-address. I.e. all mail you send to mailman-users will be resend to the subscribers with an (envelope-)sender of "mailman-users-bounces" or the like. So that a mail that cannot be delivered will be returned to that address and can be handled by the bounce processor. -thh -- Thomas Hochstein | thh at mail.th-h.de | http://www.th-h.de/ From vicnoise at yahoo.com Tue Dec 9 10:28:28 2003 From: vicnoise at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?vicnoise=20.?=) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:28:28 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] real_name attribute error Message-ID: <20031209092828.73279.qmail@web9505.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, 1) when I try to edit the 'General Options' I get this error message: 'Error: real_name attribute not changed! It must differ from the list's name by case only.' even if I didn't set any chang at all. 2) When I try to post a message to the list created with the error msg as above I get in reply this msg: 'You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at myemail at address.com This cause that I can't correctly use Mailman as I don't receive messages. Any idea these errors depend of? Thanks ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: 6MB di spazio gratuito, 30MB per i tuoi allegati, l'antivirus, il filtro Anti-spam http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.mail.yahoo.com/ From gotcha at bubblenet.be Tue Dec 9 11:20:22 2003 From: gotcha at bubblenet.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:20:22 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No subscribe confirmation messages sent Message-ID: Hi all, this is a question from a very newbie... I have setup lists with MM 2.1.3 and Postfix on Debian. Those lists are configured with the confirm and approve steps for subscription in the Privacy options. This has worked for a while and some people got subscribed through the two steps. Now, users applying for subscription do not get any confirmation message anymore. logs/subscribe shows their subscription request. while logs/smtp does not show the corresponding log info that a message is sent. I have no idea where I should lokk to correct the setup. Any hint would be appreciated. Thanks -- Godefroid Chapelle (aka __gotcha) http://bubblenet.be From ammdv62 at tid.es Tue Dec 9 12:38:24 2003 From: ammdv62 at tid.es (Ana) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 12:38:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Our Mailman web server is listening on port 81 (not 80) References: Message-ID: <00b601c3be48$f497fcf0$0370a8c0@NAIROBI> Hello Kent, I add ':port' for DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN in Mailman/mm_cfg.py and all the links include the port DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s:81/mailman/' Thanks for all, Ana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent Taylor" To: Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:05 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Our Mailman web server is listening on port 81 (not 80) > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: ammdv62 at tid.es > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ammdv62%40tid.es > From barry at python.org Tue Dec 9 15:21:53 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:21:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: In-Reply-To: <271101c3be20$c64271a0$36a08cc3@city> References: <271101c3be20$c64271a0$36a08cc3@city> Message-ID: <1070979713.25704.153.camel@anthem> On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 01:50, City wrote: > > version 2.1.2 have an option "Only List administrator can post > messages in mailing list"? > > If yes where? http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp -Barry From subhasis at iopb.res.in Tue Dec 9 16:17:43 2003 From: subhasis at iopb.res.in (Subhasis Mahapatra) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 20:47:43 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe Message-ID: From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Tue Dec 9 16:46:09 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:46:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] real_name attribute error In-Reply-To: <20031209092828.73279.qmail@web9505.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031209092828.73279.qmail@web9505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031209154609.GF14359@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 vicnoise . wrote: > 1) when I try to edit the 'General Options' I get this error > message: 'Error: real_name attribute not changed! It must differ > from the list's name by case only.' even if I didn't set any chang > at all. You haven't given us any details about what version of mailman you are using, but I can about guarantee that you are using it hosted on a site run by cPanel. This is a cPanel created bug and you should bitch to your provider about it. While you are at it, tell them that cPanel's habit of modifying and distributing GPL'd software while not making their changes available is a breach of the license terms. If you happen to be able to get them to provide you with a link to their mailman patches, please post that link here. I've tried contacting them to request them but they've never responded. > 2) When I try to post a message to the list created with the error > msg as above I get in reply this msg: 'You are not allowed to post > to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically > rejected. If you think that your messages are being rejected in > error, contact the mailing list owner at myemail at address.com Are you subscribed to this list in question? Take a look at the Membership of the list as well as the setting under the Privacy section. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me. -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/1e5Buv+09NZUB1oRArRZAJwPC60SDrRCjVpulfC2CdUJVb1/GgCfR/XQ s61XdcDlH6iyRlSkqPFM2IE= =GFjj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bunicula at gothicboston.org Tue Dec 9 16:52:31 2003 From: bunicula at gothicboston.org (Bunicula the Vampire Rabbit) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:52:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple confirmation mails Message-ID: Hello, I've got mailman (2.1.1) running on a FreeBSD machine. It's all working normally, except that when people subscribe to a list via email (listname-request), they sometimes get 2 confirmation mails, with different unique IDs for each. For example: confirm 68e99644dc939b88e40820fa810d70ac48a334ab confirm 7846c7c1476cd293579faaab1f359334e34449e4 Were generated from 1 email request I sent to the list. I can't really think of where to look to see why this is happening. Any suggestions? Brian -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- "If it ain't broke, tweak it some more!" ----------------------------------------------------------------- From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Tue Dec 9 17:26:36 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:26:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Debian Back-Port? In-Reply-To: <20031209080752.519a6465.raquel@thericehouse.net> References: <20031209080752.519a6465.raquel@thericehouse.net> Message-ID: <20031209162636.GK14359@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Raquel Rice wrote: > Does anyone know of back-ports for Debian. There's no mailman port here, but in case you want some other backports for Debian, www.backports.org is helpful. Perhaps mailman will show up there at some point. I've also found a link on www.apt-get.org to a 2.1.3 backport, but the link doesn't work for me, I think because of the recent compromise of some of the Debian boxes. Here's the search results from apt-get.org: http://www.apt-get.org/search.php?query=mailman&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all And the URL to 2.1.3 which I can't get to work at the moment: http://people.debian.org/~erich/backports/ There is another link to a 2.1.2 backport, which might be new enough for you if you really want to stick with a deb and don't want to build your own. I ended up grabbing the package from unstable and tweaking it a bit for woody. After I got it working, I ended up finding that I preferred to just do an install from the tarball. The many changes Debian makes to get mailman to conform to their packaging policies make most of the RPMS out there look like pristine and faithful mailman installs. :) But maybe that's just because I'm not familiar enough with Debian yet. > I'm setting up a new server and would like a current version of > Mailman. However, the current Debian stable version of Mailman is > 2.0.11. Yeah, pretty ancient. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== It is insufficient to protect ourselves with laws; we need to protect ourselves with mathematics. -- Bruce Schneier -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/1fe8uv+09NZUB1oRAusCAKDHXj+EgbY12ZMYiVbwEGqb2XB8dwCg52OL loYpdo8gv8Q9GRVJxnXeV/M= =F4mU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From beckert+mailman-users at ecos.de Tue Dec 9 19:09:44 2003 From: beckert+mailman-users at ecos.de (Axel Beckert) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:09:44 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple confirmation mails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031209180944.GB6419@ecos.de> Hi! At Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 03:52:31PM +0000, Bunicula the Vampire Rabbit wrote: > I've got mailman (2.1.1) running on a FreeBSD machine. It's all working > normally, except that when people subscribe to a list via email > (listname-request), they sometimes get 2 confirmation mails, with > different unique IDs for each. > > For example: > > confirm 68e99644dc939b88e40820fa810d70ac48a334ab > confirm 7846c7c1476cd293579faaab1f359334e34449e4 > > Were generated from 1 email request I sent to the list. Did you have the keyword "subscribe" in both, subject and header? If yes, that seems the reason. Mailman 2.0 behaved differently in that case: If it found a keyword in the subject, it ignored the body completely. Mailman 2.1 seems to process both equal what it found in the subject or body. Kind regards, Axel Beckert -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Axel Beckert ecos electronic communication services gmbh it security solutions * dynamic web applications * consulting Mail: Tulpenstrasse 5 D-55276 Dienheim near Mainz E-Mail: beckert at ecos.de Voice: +49 6133 939-220 WWW: http://www.ecos.de/ Fax: +49 6133 939-333 ------------------------------------------------------------- From beckert+mailman-users at ecos.de Tue Dec 9 19:13:32 2003 From: beckert+mailman-users at ecos.de (Axel Beckert) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:13:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Debian Back-Port? In-Reply-To: <20031209162636.GK14359@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <20031209080752.519a6465.raquel@thericehouse.net> <20031209162636.GK14359@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20031209181332.GC6419@ecos.de> Am Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 11:26:36AM -0500, Todd schrieb: > And the URL to 2.1.3 which I can't get to work at the moment: > > http://people.debian.org/~erich/backports/ people.debian.org still seems not operable again after the compromise incident last month. maybe also only some users are not working again. This and other users currently have an infinite redirect loop... Kind regards, Axel Beckert -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Axel Beckert ecos electronic communication services gmbh it security solutions * dynamic web applications * consulting Mail: Tulpenstrasse 5 D-55276 Dienheim near Mainz E-Mail: beckert at ecos.de Voice: +49 6133 939-220 WWW: http://www.ecos.de/ Fax: +49 6133 939-333 ------------------------------------------------------------- From bearcat77070 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 9 19:19:33 2003 From: bearcat77070 at yahoo.com (Frank Stewart) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:19:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Recommendation for Mailman hosting company needed Message-ID: <20031209181933.92345.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Hello all! I'm new to the list, from what I can tell, Mailman has the features I'd like to use in setting up a mailing list for my local congregation - specifically, the topic categories feature. I'm thinking it probably makes most sense right now just to go to a hosting company until I'm sure that the list is going to be useful and people will participate (I'm pretty sure they will). Any recommendations for a good hosting company that knows what they're doing? I'd like to have web pages set up so users can post (and more specifically, select topics via radio buttons rather than using a tag in the subject line). I'm guessing this might be how topics are implemented, but I haven't been able to find where that feature is documented - any pointers? Can you have sub-topics? My list users are likely to not be very technical, so I'm hoping to make things as painless as possible. I would like to avoid giving any business to companies who knowingly provide their services to commercial spammers if at all possible. I don't know if this is really pratical, but if I can avoid it, I'd like to, I think of it as doing my part to eliminate spam. tia for your help, Bearcat --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing From ntbrito at fc.up.pt Mon Dec 8 23:50:09 2003 From: ntbrito at fc.up.pt (=?iso-8859-1?Q?N=E9lson_Jorge_Teixeira_de_Brito?=) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:50:09 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and postfix config Message-ID: Hi, I'm trying to use mailman to create a mailing list but i'm having lots of problems... (that's way i'm sending this e-mail :-) I'm using mailman-2.1.1-25 and postfix-2.0.6-14 as the MTA. I installed the RPMS from the suse 8.2 OS, that's what i'm using in this machine. I created the list but when i try to sned mails to it i get the answer: < server.requimte.pt #5.0.0 X-Postfix; Command died with status 2: "/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post cequp-users". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid 65533.> Can you plese help me with this... i'm very new to mailman and postfix and i can't solve this. I tried to chage the GID of mailman user but it didn't solve the problem. Regards, nelson From vkrav at mail.ru Tue Dec 9 07:50:41 2003 From: vkrav at mail.ru (City) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 08:50:41 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <271101c3be20$c64271a0$36a08cc3@city> hello version 2.1.2 have an option "Only List administrator can post messages in mailing list"? If yes where? Thanks From ehrbar at econ.utah.edu Tue Dec 9 20:44:57 2003 From: ehrbar at econ.utah.edu (Hans Ehrbar) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:44:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Debian Back-Port? In-Reply-To: <20031209084427.5d137a62.raquel@thericehouse.net> (message from Raquel Rice on Tue, 9 Dec 2003 08:44:27 -0800) References: <20031209080752.519a6465.raquel@thericehouse.net> <20031209162636.GK14359@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031209084427.5d137a62.raquel@thericehouse.net> Message-ID: <200312091944.MAA05482@marx.econ.utah.edu> Several weeks ago I upgraded from Debian Woody in the following way: I put the following line into my /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://debian.jones.dk woody misc If I remember right, this depository is maintained by the same person who also maintains the official debian packages. Then apt-get update; apt-get install mailman pulled in mailman version 2.1.2 for me. (This is not the latest one, testing has already 2.1.3) After installing mailman I commented that line in sources.list out again and did another apt-get update, because there are other backported packages at that site which I did not want. I have a simple setup with no virtual hosting, and the only hitch for me was that /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py needed a couple of additional lines, I think one was DEFAULT_URL_HOST = I found out about this because I had another box with Debian testing installed, which did not have an old version of mailman but a fresh install, and I looked there to compare. I am enclosing below the mm_cfg.py of the machine I was talking about, then you can see what needs to be added. I also had to create the mailman list, but before adding the other lines into /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py it wouldn't let me create any new lists. Other than this it went smoothly. # -*- python -*- # Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc. # # This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or # modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License # as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 # of the License, or (at your option) any later version. # # This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, # but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of # MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the # GNU General Public License for more details. # # You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License # along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software # Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. """This is the module which takes your site-specific settings. >From a raw distribution it should be copied to mm_cfg.py. If you already have an mm_cfg.py, be careful to add in only the new settings you want. The complete set of distributed defaults, with annotation, are in ./Defaults. In mm_cfg, override only those you want to change, after the from Defaults import * line (see below). Note that these are just default settings - many can be overridden via the admin and user interfaces on a per-list or per-user basis. Note also that some of the settings are resolved against the active list setting by using the value as a format string against the list-instance-object's dictionary - see the distributed value of DEFAULT_MSG_FOOTER for an example.""" ####################################################### # Here's where we get the distributed defaults. # from Defaults import * ############################################################## # Put YOUR site-specific configuration below, in mm_cfg.py . # # See Defaults.py for explanations of the values. # DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'maillists.somewhere.com' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'maillists.somewhere.com' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'maillists.somewhere.com' DEFAULT_URL = 'http://maillists.somewhere.com/mailman/' IMAGE_LOGOS = '/doc/mailman/images/' USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = 0 DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 0 MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME # PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/pipermail' PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/private' # Note - if you're looking for something that is imported from mm_cfg, but you # didn't find it above, it's probably in Defaults.py. -- Hans G. Ehrbar http://www.econ.utah.edu/ehrbar ehrbar at econ.utah.edu Economics Department, University of Utah (801) 581 7797 (my office) 1645 Campus Center Dr., Rm 308 (801) 581 7481 (econ office) Salt Lake City UT 84112-9300 (801) 585 5649 (FAX) From jam at jamux.com Tue Dec 9 20:56:16 2003 From: jam at jamux.com (John A. Martin) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:56:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Debian Back-Port? In-Reply-To: <20031209080752.519a6465.raquel@thericehouse.net> (Raquel Rice's message of "Tue, 9 Dec 2003 08:07:52 -0800") References: <20031209080752.519a6465.raquel@thericehouse.net> Message-ID: <87vfopsr33.fsf@athene.jamux.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 154 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031209/b80c6ff4/attachment.pgp From scott at villinski.com Wed Dec 10 00:26:23 2003 From: scott at villinski.com (Scott C. Villinski) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 16:26:23 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving existing archive into NNTP server Message-ID: <3FD65A1F.4030505@villinski.com> I've been playing with the Mail<->News gateway, and it works great. I have migrated from an old list to Mailman - so I have an existing .mbox file. Is there an command I can run to dump this into my news group I've setup? Sort of like the catchup feature - but the reverse? Have the news server catchup with the mailman archives. I've done some searches, read the faq, etc, and can't seem to find an answer. I thought the "Rename List" FAQ item. It helped with generating the HTML for the archive - but not for moving my existing archive to my NNTP server. thanks! Sott From vicnoise at yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 00:54:30 2003 From: vicnoise at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?vicnoise=20.?=) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:54:30 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] real_name attribute error In-Reply-To: <20031209154609.GF14359@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20031209235430.9303.qmail@web9502.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, yes I'm actually using Mailman 2.1.2 hosted on a site run by cPanel. The thing that makes wonder is that I have 2 different account on 2 different servers (different providers) and only on one of them I get the errors below since on the other one everything is ok while configuring and running Mailman. I understand what you say about the licence terms breach but how can I get them fix this issue? Is it possible that thay don't understand where the problem is even if I contacted their helpdesk about this bug? thanks Vic --- Todd ha scritto: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > vicnoise . wrote: > > 1) when I try to edit the 'General Options' I get > this error > > message: 'Error: real_name attribute not changed! > It must differ > > from the list's name by case only.' even if I > didn't set any chang > > at all. > > You haven't given us any details about what version > of mailman you are > using, but I can about guarantee that you are using > it hosted on a > site run by cPanel. This is a cPanel created bug > and you should bitch > to your provider about it. While you are at it, > tell them that > cPanel's habit of modifying and distributing GPL'd > software while not > making their changes available is a breach of the > license terms. > > If you happen to be able to get them to provide you > with a link to > their mailman patches, please post that link here. > I've tried > contacting them to request them but they've never > responded. > > > 2) When I try to post a message to the list > created with the error > > msg as above I get in reply this msg: 'You are not > allowed to post > > to this mailing list, and your message has been > automatically > > rejected. If you think that your messages are > being rejected in > > error, contact the mailing list owner at > myemail at address.com > > Are you subscribed to this list in question? Take a > look at the > Membership of the list as well as the setting under > the Privacy > section. > > - -- > Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: > www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp > ====================================================================== > If you haven't got anything nice to say about > anybody, come sit next > to me. > -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980) > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy > unir cevinpl. > > iD8DBQE/1e5Buv+09NZUB1oRArRZAJwPC60SDrRCjVpulfC2CdUJVb1/GgCfR/XQ > s61XdcDlH6iyRlSkqPFM2IE= > =GFjj > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: vicnoise at yahoo.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/vicnoise%40yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: 6MB di spazio gratuito, 30MB per i tuoi allegati, l'antivirus, il filtro Anti-spam http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.mail.yahoo.com/ From Michael at Jasinski.com Wed Dec 10 01:24:43 2003 From: Michael at Jasinski.com (Michael Jasinski) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 18:24:43 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: HELP / Export Function? version 2.1.3 Message-ID: <000201c3beb4$02de7530$0401a8c0@MJX2Michael> IS there an export function of latest version 2.1.3 ? ====== If so, how can a user (admin) not server owner, perform this export. I need this function to copy, close , and re-open list. Please respond to: Michael at Jasinski.com Many Thank You's in advance... MJ From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Dec 10 01:34:02 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 09 Dec 2003 19:34:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving existing archive into NNTP server In-Reply-To: <3FD65A1F.4030505@villinski.com> References: <3FD65A1F.4030505@villinski.com> Message-ID: <1071016442.5327.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 18:26, Scott C. Villinski wrote: > I've been playing with the Mail<->News gateway, and it works great. I > have migrated from an old list to Mailman - so I have an existing .mbox > file. Is there an command I can run to dump this into my news group > I've setup? Sort of like the catchup feature - but the reverse? Have > the news server catchup with the mailman archives. I've done some > searches, read the faq, etc, and can't seem to find an answer. I > thought the "Rename List" FAQ item. It helped with generating the HTML > for the archive - but not for moving my existing archive to my NNTP server. > > thanks! > > Sott > You can use the formail command to resend all the mail in an mbox. # To resend the mail in a spool to a users new adress: formail -Y -s /usr/sbin/sendmail user at new.address \ < /var/spool/mail/user_name In your case you could create a temporary list that pipes mail out to the news group you want and then run this into that list. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From Lena at lena.kiev.ua Wed Dec 10 02:12:41 2003 From: Lena at lena.kiev.ua (Lena at lena.kiev.ua) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 03:12:41 +0200 (EET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] real_name attribute error Message-ID: > From: " vicnoise . " > yes I'm actually using Mailman 2.1.2 hosted on a > site run by cPanel. The thing that makes wonder is > that I have 2 different account on 2 different servers > (different providers) and only on one of them I get > the errors below since on the other one everything is > ok while configuring and running Mailman. I also am an user of a web-hosting with cPanel and Mailman 2.1.2. I haven't that problem, and I successfully changed capitalisation of name of my list (when I created a list using cPanel web-interface, I entered XXxxx as list name, but in fact Xxxxx was created, then I changed listname to XXxxx using Mailman web-interface). Compare cPanel versions and release numbers on main cPanel user page. May be the hosting with the problem uses a pirated (non-licenced) outdated buggy copy of cPanel ( + changed Mailman) software. > I understand > what you say about the licence terms breach but how > can I get them fix this issue? You can try to tell the web-hosting to ask cPanel staff to do so. And post yourself to http://forums.cpanel.net > Is it possible that > thay don't understand where the problem is even if I > contacted their helpdesk about this bug? It's possible with any helpdesk. :) Lena > --- Todd ha scritto: > > > > > vicnoise . wrote: > > > 1) when I try to edit the 'General Options' I get this error > > > message: 'Error: real_name attribute not changed! It must differ > > > from the list's name by case only.' even if I didn't set any chang > > > at all. > > > > You haven't given us any details about what version of mailman you are > > using, but I can about guarantee that you are using it hosted on a > > site run by cPanel. This is a cPanel created bug and you should bitch > > to your provider about it. While you are at it, tell them that > > cPanel's habit of modifying and distributing GPL'd software while not > > making their changes available is a breach of the license terms. From david at davidpruitt.com Wed Dec 10 05:37:07 2003 From: david at davidpruitt.com (David Pruitt) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:37:07 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] More mm-handler SOS Message-ID: <8303E38C-2ACA-11D8-BAD2-0003935822C2@davidpruitt.com> Hello everyone, I sent an e-mail about my problem last night, and had a few responses, but I wanted to send another e-mail with some more information. Below are the steps I have used to get mm-handler installed. I believe I have followed the instructions, but I may have left something out or interpreted something incorrectly. -- 1. Copy mailman.mc, and make any changes you need at your site. You DEFINITELY need some changes. There are hostnames in there that you need to adjust, and chances are that you'll need to change some other parameters (like the host OS), too. [1] -- I copied the mailman.mc file over my original .mc file in /etc/mail (after backing up the old). I changed the OS, and the paths to procmail. The mail definitions look like this: MAILER_DEFINITIONS #################################### ### New Mailer specifications ### #################################### ## Special flags! See ## http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/doc8.10/op-sh-5.html#sh-5.4 ## Note especially the absence of the "m" and "n" flags. THIS IS ## IMPORTANT: mm-handler assumes this behavior to avoid having to know ## too much about address parsing and other RFC-2822 mail details. Mmailman, P=/etc/mail/mm-handler, F=rDFMhlqSu, U=mailman:mailnull, S=EnvFromL, R=EnvToL/HdrToL, A=mm-handler $h $u I use FreeBSD, and mailnull is the group sendmail uses. -- 2. Install mm-handler. Because my server's sendmail-related files live in /etc/mail, I keep mm-handler there, too. YMMV. -- Install? Well, I copied mm-handler to the same dir all my other mail files are located: /etc/mail. -- 3. Edit mm-handler, and make any changes you need at your site. You probably want to change $MMWRAPPER and $MMLISTDIR at line 14, and you *might* want to take a look at the helpful boilerplate text beginning at line 64. (This text is sent whenever someone tries to send mail to a nonexistent list address on your mail domain.) -- I changed the following: a] The path to perl.. to /usr/bin/perl (at the top) b] The $MMWRAPPER path is where my mailman files are located on my webserver which is $MMWRAPPER = "/www/mailrings/mail/mailman"; and the next line to $MMLISTDIR = "/www/mailrings/lists"; I also changed the sendmail path to reflect my path, which is $SENDMAIL = "/usr/sbin/sendmail -oem -oi"; That's about all the changed I made to that file. I left the text in the mail alone for simplicity sake. -- 4. You should set up a virtusertable. (See mailman.mc for an explanation.) There's an example of a good, minimal virtusertable in this distribution. The virtusertable begins as a text file named "virtusertable", stored in the same directory as all the other Sendmail files, but it's converted to a map file for Sendmail's use. Install the virtusertable, and (re)make the map file. [2] -- The virtusertable has only one entry for my mailman domain, which is: @mailrings.com mailman-owner at mailrings.com (My site is www.mailrings.com) -- 5. You absolutely must have a mailertable, or all of this goes nowhere. Like virtusertable, the mailertable is a map that begins as text and gets converted. It's named "mailertable", and it's probably pretty simple. Mine looks like this: listtest.uchicago.edu mailman:listtest.uchicago.edu This says: assign all incoming mail (that was not intercepted by the virtusertable) and that is in the listtest.uchicago.edu domain to the "mailman" mailer, and tell the "mailman" mailer that the hostname we're using is "listtest.uchicago.edu". You can support multiple virtual hosts using mm-handler just by placing corresponding lines in mailertable. Be sure to make this map, too! -- My mailertable file is very simple: mailrings.com mailman:mailrings.com As the directions say, I want mailman to handle ALL requests made to mailrings.com. And yes, I 'made' the files to convert mc to cf, etc.. -- 6. The mailer definition (see the end of mailman.mc, or your own .mc file) for mm-handler sets the user/group that mm-handler will run under. (I use mailman:other.) Be sure that mm-handler is executable by this user or group. You almost certainly need the user to be the same as the Mailman user, and this user is almost always called "mailman", so you probably shouldn't change the defaults. -- Did this as you can see from my config file above. It's mailman:mailnull. -- 7. Generate your new sendmail.cf file. See the sendmail documentation if you're not familiar with this procedure. [1] -- Did the make, which redid my sendmail.mc file, virtusertable, and mailertable. -- 8. Stop sendmail on your list server, if you haven't already. Install the new sendmail.cf file wherever your sendmail.cf file belongs. (This depends on how sendmail was compiled, but most systems support using /etc/sendmail.cf.) -- I stopped sendmail as I always do by giving the command "make stop", in which it replies: Stopping: sendmail sendmail-clientmqueue. Then restarted, and it replies: Starting: sendmail sendmail-clientmqueue. All files are already at /etc/mail so there is no need to 'install new sendmail.cf file'. -- 9. Cross your fingers and restart sendmail. -- Done. -- A. Barry warns that Mailman now needs you to modify your Mailman/mm_cfg.py file, adding this line: MTA = None But this isn't in my latest installation, and I don't remember what it's for, so I'll leave this to Barry to clarify. :) That's it! With any luck, you're fully functional. -- This has been done as well. I do longer get an e-mail saying "now put these in your alias file". All this looks okay? Well, when I send ANY mail to ANY address at mailrings.com. I get this: Message from yahoo.com. Unable to deliver message to the following address(es). : 66.228.133.130 does not like recipient. Remote host said: 554 5.3.5 buildaddr: unknown mailer mailman Giving up on 66.228.133.130. --- Original message follows. Then I get all the rest of the return information. My /var/log/maillog barks with only the same type of message: Dec 9 21:14:30 mybox sm-msp-queue[15359]: starting daemon (8.12.6): queueing at 00:30:00 Dec 9 21:15:00 mybox sendmail[15368]: hBA5F0QL015368: from=mailman, size=933, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200312100515.hBA5 F0QL015368 at mybox.cacklehoof.com>, relay=mailman at localhost Dec 9 21:15:00 mybox sm-mta[15369]: hBA5F0Wu015369: from=, size=1221, class=0, nrcpts=1, ms gid=<200312100515.hBA5F0QL015368 at mybox.cacklehoof.com>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost.cacklehoof.com [127.0.0.1 ] Dec 9 21:15:00 mybox sendmail[15368]: hBA5F0QL015368: to=mailman, ctladdr=mailman (91/26), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:0 0, mailer=relay, pri=30289, relay=localhost.cacklehoof.com. [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (hBA5F0Wu015369 Message acce pted for delivery) Dec 9 21:15:00 mybox sm-mta[15370]: hBA5F0Wu015369: to=, ctladdr= (91/26), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, pri=31516, relay=local, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent Dec 9 21:15:04 mybox sm-mta[15372]: hBA5F4Wu015372: SYSERR(root): buildaddr: unknown mailer mailman I really appreciate all your help, and a HUGE thanks to those who have already sent me some ideas. I still can't seem to figure out what is going on. It's almost as if sendmail is refusing to see mailman as a mailer. Thanks again, and I look forward to the next set of suggestions. :) David Pruitt From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Dec 10 06:41:34 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:41:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] real_name attribute error In-Reply-To: <20031209235430.9303.qmail@web9502.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031209154609.GF14359@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031209235430.9303.qmail@web9502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031210054134.GY14359@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 vicnoise . wrote: > yes I'm actually using Mailman 2.1.2 hosted on a site run by cPanel. > The thing that makes wonder is that I have 2 different account on 2 > different servers (different providers) and only on one of them I > get the errors below since on the other one everything is ok while > configuring and running Mailman. There is, as I understand it, an updated mailman-2.1.2 for cPanel that fixes this real_name problem. Your host should look into installing them. > I understand what you say about the licence terms breach but how can > I get them fix this issue? Is it possible that thay don't understand > where the problem is even if I contacted their helpdesk about this > bug? I have no clue. Obviously, the many hosts running cPanel aren't too concerned about paying cPanel for open source software which cPanel breaks in various ways, abuses the license of, and doesn't respond to requests to comply with the license and provide a link to the changes they've made. So perhaps they are either clueless or just uncaring. I don't know. I'm about to move the last remaining lists I have on any cPanel hosted sites and will then be done completely with anything cPanel related. Good riddance to them as far as I'm concerned. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Most of one's life is one prolonged effort to prevent oneself thinking. -- Aldous Huxley -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/1rIOuv+09NZUB1oRAg6iAKD9kH+NwLmkiBF8uN/A4zKrhZoZ0QCeJEsL AYeF49usyihZVhH081/bVaU= =vFWo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From KlausB at wazumba.ath.cx Wed Dec 10 09:17:27 2003 From: KlausB at wazumba.ath.cx (Klaus Bestvater) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:17:27 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with OpenBSD and Mailman 2.1.3 Message-ID: <3FD6D697.4020605@wazumba.ath.cx> Hello All, I recently discovered a problem with my installation of Mailman. Everything is running fine as long as nobody tries to post some kind of attachement. The mail with the Attachement causes the Runner Prozess to crash. I have a fairly up2date OpenBSD and the newest version of mailman from the ports. I have found some more posts regarding this problem but no answers. Has anybody any Idea why Python is not allowed to chmod the attachement to 02775? Can there anything be done or should I archiving of attachements to get arround this problem? Every hint in this direction would be greatly appreciated. Thx a lot Klaus B. beyond is the log dump _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Dec 09 21:59:47 2003 (24130) SHUNTING: 1071003587.699549+54f4bd68e7b2f4b3d049cb18a58e05f407d9772d Dec 09 22:01:08 2003 (24130) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/var/spool/mailman/archives/private/mypersonaltestlist/attachments/20031209/17f6ec0d' Dec 09 22:01:08 2003 (24130) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 90, in process send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 131, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 304, in send_i18n_digests msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 232, in process url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir) File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 344, in save_attachment makedirs(fsdir) File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 336, in makedirs os.path.walk(dir, twiddle, None) File "/usr/obj/i386/python-2.2.1p1/fake-i386/usr/local/lib/python2.2/posixpath.py", line 279, in walk func(arg, top, names) File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 335, in twiddle os.chmod(dirname, 02775) OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/var/spool/mailman/archives/private/mypersonaltestlist/attachments/20031209/17f6ec0d' Dec 09 22:01:08 2003 (24130) SHUNTING: 1071003667.301217+5f55bb60b8d55f81a55d0fd24348dada8ec5fd91 From kakali at uom.gr Wed Dec 10 10:58:50 2003 From: kakali at uom.gr (Kakali Betty) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:58:50 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with removing members Message-ID: <007d01c3bf04$364594d0$30d5fbc3@uom.gr> Is there a way to remove members from all the lists they appear in ??? From simon at caperet.com Wed Dec 10 11:27:42 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:27:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] In a pickle In-Reply-To: <1070915590.4964.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20031208083336.GA22181@mediadev.com> <1070902262.4517.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031208170415.GQ22181@mediadev.com> <1070915590.4964.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031210102741.GF24759@mediadev.com> 08-Dec-03 at 15:33, Jon Carnes (jonc at nc.rr.com) wrote : > Sounds bad kemosabee. The backup is the way to go. You might be able to > use "strings config.pck" and get a string dump of the file that has some > helpful information. Cheers Jon Got the backup, ran check_db, all OK, and I'm back up and running. Lesson: back up your config.pck files regularly and you'll avoid nightmares. Thankfully my weekly backup happened the night before the crash (indeed I wonder if the backup was copying that file while mailman tried to read from it, and that's what caused the crash lol) So now I have a script that checks each day and makes me a backup of the file, as well as doing MHonArc on my archive if it has changed. Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From nicolas.strina at ip-man.net Wed Dec 10 13:51:10 2003 From: nicolas.strina at ip-man.net (Nicolas Strina) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:51:10 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] LDAP ? Message-ID: <3FD716BE.9020102@ip-man.net> Hello, I'm wondering if anybody is actually working on a patch to integrate LDAP fonctions in Mailan. I found some stuffs on the net but nothing really nice .. If someone can help me, Regards, Nicolas From johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Wed Dec 10 16:06:50 2003 From: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu (Chris Johnson) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:06:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin functions don't. Message-ID: I'm running RH7.3, Mailman 2.1-8. I've looked at the bug list but haven't found anything like this. Posts are held for various reasons, in my case size issues, too big. I go to the Web interface at http://host/mailman/admindb/listname for any list. None of the actions, i.e. Defer, Accept, Reject or Discard, seem to work. There are no errors given. When I Submit All the same status page comes back in its original form. The held messages are still there and never have any action applied as far as I can tell. Are there any bugs relating to this? If not can any body tell me what I'm doing wrong? Help would be greatly appreciated as there is a increasing held backlog I can't free up. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 149 (2301) 13th Street |"Survival is insufficient" Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA | Seven of nine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From khera at kcilink.com Wed Dec 10 16:25:59 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:25:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving existing archive into NNTP server In-Reply-To: <1071016442.5327.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3FD65A1F.4030505@villinski.com> <1071016442.5327.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <16343.15111.248357.611108@yertle.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "JC" == Jon Carnes writes: JC> You can use the formail command to resend all the mail in an mbox. JC> # To resend the mail in a spool to a users new adress: JC> formail -Y -s /usr/sbin/sendmail user at new.address \ JC> < /var/spool/mail/user_name On the CPAN (http://www.cpan.org) is a perl program I wrote called mail2news that takes as an argument a newsgroup, and reads from stdin the message to post to that newsgroup. You could simplify the above to split the messages and feed them one at a time to this program instead of having to create a temporary list to populate the newsgroup. I use the script to read some large mailing lists via newsreaders and to provide broader local access and archiving to them. From johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Wed Dec 10 18:58:55 2003 From: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu (Chris Johnson) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:58:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any mailman cgi debug tools. Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone know if there are any debug switches or debug tools in the mailman admin cgi's in mailman/cgi-bin? Having problems here and I'm getting no errors logged anywhere in th system, it's that nothing happens. Help appreciated. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 149 (2301) 13th Street |Life stinks. If you're very lucky, sometimes Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA |it stinks a little less. Me ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Michael at Jasinski.com Tue Dec 9 22:34:00 2003 From: Michael at Jasinski.com (Michael Jasinski) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:34:00 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP / Export Function? Message-ID: <000001c3be9c$2922d4b0$0401a8c0@MJX2Michael> IS there an export function of latest version 2.1.3 ? If so, how can a user (admin) not server owner perform this export. I need this to copy, close and re-open list. Please respond to: Michael at Jasinski.com Many Thank You's in advance... MJ From lesher at epic.org Tue Dec 9 23:15:06 2003 From: lesher at epic.org (David Lesher) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:15:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filenames Message-ID: They fixed the index.htm but most other files are not renamed to {whatever}.html I'm not sure but that may be breaking the mirrowing. There is also an issue over file name length. From bcramer at molalla.com Wed Dec 10 01:46:09 2003 From: bcramer at molalla.com (Brandon Cramer) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:46:09 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to: Message-ID: How do I set up this mail list to Reply to a different email address if the message bounces, because there isn't a user with that address? Thanks, Brandon From sharmap at sharmara.com Wed Dec 10 12:47:29 2003 From: sharmap at sharmara.com (sharmap at sharmara.com) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 05:47:29 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer in Mailman Message-ID: <56986.206.61.40.176.1071056849.squirrel@www.sharmara.com> hi, I'm kind of new in using mailman. I'm setting op mainman to be used as a mail distribution (forwarding) system.. Like info at xyz.com should be sent to 3 emails ad xyz company. So everybody can post to info at xyz.com. Works fine.. But each email has an footer containing information to go to archives.. and kind of everybody could than read all archives on this private system.. So Wat i wnat is that email posted by non-members should not include the archive and mailman info footer.... Is that possible to be configured this way... Regards, Sharma From gagel at cnc.bc.ca Wed Dec 10 19:22:25 2003 From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (gagel at cnc.bc.ca) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:22:25 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP / Export Function? Message-ID: <3fd76461.3d.bd4.9321@cnc.bc.ca> Make sure you reply to the list on this as well. I'd like to know too. ----- Original Message Follows ----- > IS there an export function of latest version 2.1.3 ? > > > If so, how can a user (admin) not server owner perform this export. > > I need this to copy, close and re-open list. > > Please respond to: Michael at Jasinski.com > > Many Thank You's in advance... > > MJ > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: gagel at cnc.bc.ca > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/gagel%40cnc.bc.ca ------------------------------------------ Kevin W. Gagel Postmaster for College of New Caledonia 250) 562-2131 loc. 448 250) 561-5848 loc. 448 postmaster at cnc.bc.ca http://www.cnc.bc.ca -------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. -------------------------------------------------------------- From ralindy at yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 19:40:25 2003 From: ralindy at yahoo.com (Rolfe Lindberg) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:40:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Question Message-ID: <20031210184025.6500.qmail@web40902.mail.yahoo.com> All, I'm very new to using mailman. I run a community-type website (similar to Classmates.com) and had been using yahoo mail for my weekly newsletter. I'm trying to use mailman (my web host has it in cpanel) to send an email to about 1700 people. When I test using a mailing list to 5 users, mailman works fine; however, when I load the entire 1700 person list, the email does not get sent. Is there a setting in mailman that I need to adjust? Thanks in advance. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From emechler at techometer.net Wed Dec 10 19:48:45 2003 From: emechler at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:48:45 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin functions don't. Message-ID: <20031210184845.GK3281@techometer.net> :: Posts are held for various reasons, in my case size issues, too :: big. I go to the Web interface at :: :: http://host/mailman/admindb/listname :: :: for any list. None of the actions, i.e. Defer, Accept, Reject or :: Discard, seem to work. There are no errors given. When I Submit All :: the same status page comes back in its original form. The held :: messages are still there and never have any action applied as far as I :: can tell. I'm having a similar problem related to updating the configs through the web interface. I haven't had to deal with the actions you listed above, but I can't change, for example, any of the General options. The funny thing is that no errors are returned, and nothing is logged anywhere. The other odd thing about this is that I can update lists created with pre 2.1.x versions of mailman; it's the new lists that have the problems. Chris, have you had any luck getting responses to this post? I haven't seen any quite yet... Cheers - Erick From johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Wed Dec 10 19:54:59 2003 From: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu (Chris Johnson) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:54:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin functions don't. In-Reply-To: <20031210184502.GJ3281@techometer.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Erick Mechler wrote: > :: Posts are held for various reasons, in my case size issues, too > :: big. I go to the Web interface at > :: > :: http://host/mailman/admindb/listname > :: > :: for any list. None of the actions, i.e. Defer, Accept, Reject or > :: Discard, seem to work. There are no errors given. When I Submit All > :: the same status page comes back in its original form. The held > :: messages are still there and never have any action applied as far as I > :: can tell. > > I'm having a similar problem related to updating the configs through the > web interface. I haven't had to deal with the actions you listed above, > but I can't change, for example, any of the General options. The funny > thing is that no errors are returned, and nothing is logged anywhere. > > The other odd thing about this is that I can update lists created with pre > 2.1.x versions of mailman; it's the new lists that have the problems. > > Chris, have you had any luck getting responses to this post? I haven't > seen any quite yet... > > Cheers - Erick > I was ask if I was allowing cookies. And yes I am. That's all. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 149 (2301) 13th Street |Doctors don't save lives. The best they can hope Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA |to do is save life. Not the same thing. Me ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From emechler at techometer.net Wed Dec 10 19:59:14 2003 From: emechler at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:59:14 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin functions don't. In-Reply-To: References: <20031210184502.GJ3281@techometer.net> Message-ID: <20031210185914.GL3281@techometer.net> :: I was ask if I was allowing cookies. And yes I am. That's all. Yeah, I cleared my cookies as well with no luck. Seems like you should be able to enable some debugging or something (hopefully someone will respond to your 2nd post). From johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Wed Dec 10 20:04:30 2003 From: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu (Chris Johnson) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:04:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin functions don't. In-Reply-To: <20031210185914.GL3281@techometer.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Erick Mechler wrote: > :: I was ask if I was allowing cookies. And yes I am. That's all. > > Yeah, I cleared my cookies as well with no luck. Seems like you should be > able to enable some debugging or something (hopefully someone will respond > to your 2nd post). > I asked that a little while ago. No joy yet. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 149 (2301) 13th Street |Fifty percent of all doctors graduated in the Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA |lower half of the class. Observation ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Dec 10 21:00:32 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:00:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin functions don't. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031210200032.GD14359@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chris Johnson wrote: > I'm running RH7.3, Mailman 2.1-8. I've looked at the bug list > but haven't found anything like this. > > Posts are held for various reasons, in my case size issues, too > big. I go to the Web interface at > > http://host/mailman/admindb/listname > > for any list. None of the actions, i.e. Defer, Accept, Reject or > Discard, seem to work. There are no errors given. When I Submit > All the same status page comes back in its original form. The held > messages are still there and never have any action applied as far as > I can tell. OK, here's a wild guess, since no one else has jumped in. Are you (or whomever is hosting your lists) doing any sort of redirection with Apache? That can cause this sort of problem since the POST data from the form doesn't get redirected. This is often caused when trying to redirect things to run over HTTPS, though your URL indicates plain HTTP. You might want to look at the HTML source for the admindb page and see where the form action points and then verify that there is no apache redirection coming into play for that URL. But like I said, this is just a guess. You might also want to see if updating to the latest version of mailman helps. If you're using an rpm for 2.1, then you must have rebuilt it from someplace since Red Hat never shipped 2.1 for RH7.3. That 2.1-8 for the rpm version and release looks like the revision of the rpm that was shipped with RH9, which, if you notice in the archives of this list, was rather broken (to put it mildly, it'd be more accurate to say that there was a crack party at RH QA the day they let that one out the door). There is an updated rpm for RH9 (2.1.1-4) that you could rebuild and try or you could grab the 2.1.3 tarball and install that the old fashioned, ./configure && make install way. HTH - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Politicians, Like Bombers, Seldom See Their Victims... -- Dr. Donald Boudreaux, in his article, "Losing Touch" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/13tguv+09NZUB1oRApz/AKCJwOOtl9ffXIDvtxESUs/PE+Lv1gCgntio /QAF53l70TvRYnO68txIQak= =gBM6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From paul at thcwd.com Wed Dec 10 21:21:45 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:21:45 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Admin functions don't Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20031210141604.0887e7e8@mail.thcwd.com> From paul at thcwd.com Wed Dec 10 21:22:38 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:22:38 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Admin functions don't Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20031210142219.088a0380@mail.thcwd.com> From paulokappke at cyclades.com Wed Dec 10 20:58:02 2003 From: paulokappke at cyclades.com (Paulo R Kappke) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:58:02 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripped Subject Message-ID: <3FD77ACA.7070601@cyclades.com> Hello All, Something very weird is happening with my Mailman. When someone sends an e-mail to a mailing list and put a long subject, 60 or 70 characters, the e-mail is being received with the prefix ("[list-name]") only. Looks like Mailman is stripping the subject. I am running Mailman version 2.1.1 in a RedHat 9 box. I am looking for some possible fix. Thank you, Paulo Kappke -- --------------------------- Paulo Roberto Kappke IT Manager Cyclades Corporation paulo.kappke at cyclades.com Phone: +1 (510) 771-6241 Fax: +1 (510) 771-6200 http://www.cyclades.com Everywhere with Linux --------------------------- From scott at villinski.com Wed Dec 10 22:45:17 2003 From: scott at villinski.com (Scott C. Villinski) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:45:17 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface and different DNS name Message-ID: <3FD793ED.10105@villinski.com> I noticed that if I change the DNS name that I use to access the Web interface of my server, the available lists listing also changes. How can I configure the server so that no matter what DNS/IP address I use, I always see the same lists? I looked at: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp and ran the fix_url.py script - but it doesn't seem to fix the issue. Thanks! Scott From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Dec 10 22:58:13 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:58:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface and different DNS name In-Reply-To: <3FD793ED.10105@villinski.com> References: <3FD793ED.10105@villinski.com> Message-ID: <20031210215813.GF14359@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Scott C. Villinski wrote: > I noticed that if I change the DNS name that I use to access the Web > interface of my server, the available lists listing also changes. > How can I configure the server so that no matter what DNS/IP address > I use, I always see the same lists? I looked at: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp > and ran the fix_url.py script - but it doesn't seem to fix the > issue. This excerpt from $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py might be helpful: # When set to Yes, the listinfo and admin overviews of lists on # the machine will be confined to only those lists whose # web_page_url configuration option host is included within the # URL by which the page is visited - only those "on the virtual # host". When set to No, all advertised (i.e. public) lists are # included in the overview. VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = On - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== We are not to expect to be transported from despotism to liberty in a featherbed. -- Thomas Jefferson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/15b0uv+09NZUB1oRAp9uAKD8oyIpHDWChRbtAfRTnW6WWtwcMACcCW/3 0l9DGPRne91hznT5FlEQf2g= =OnZz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dpetersen55 at new.rr.com Wed Dec 10 23:04:22 2003 From: dpetersen55 at new.rr.com (dpetersen55 at new.rr.com) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:04:22 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Member addresses in v2.1 Message-ID: <155f6b156ee9.156ee9155f6b@rdc-kc.rr.com> In my Mailman 2.0 install, a user can be subscribed as user at domain.org and have the actual message come from user at something.domain.org with no problem. The message doesn't get held as a non-member post as long as the top level domain is correct. However, in 2.1 it seems to require an exact match, only if they are subscribed as user at something.domain.org can they post from that address. Is there a way to have it behave as it did before, where a user can be subscribed as user at domain.org and be able to post from any subdomains? From scott at villinski.com Thu Dec 11 00:09:59 2003 From: scott at villinski.com (Scott C. Villinski) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:09:59 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looking for the reverse of a "ban list" Message-ID: <3FD7A7C7.6040904@villinski.com> I'd like to configure a set of domain names that are allowed to subscribe to lists. It could be the equivalent of a Ban list with some domain names as exceptions. Or just an "Allow List". Any thoughts? I saw in the archives the messages about allow lists for sending messages - but I don't think this will help me. Thanks, Scott From scott at villinski.com Thu Dec 11 00:45:10 2003 From: scott at villinski.com (Scott C. Villinski) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:45:10 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] One last piece Message-ID: <3FD7B006.2020302@villinski.com> I swear that I'm learning and searching. I'm new to python - so forgive me. I've played with listinfo.py and seen that any changes I make will update the cgi-bin directory upon restart. What if I want to add my own .py script? I created on in: Mailman/Cgi, but it wasn't compiled and copied over to cgi-bin. I know the script works because I took the roster.py and just renamed it (to at least have a working base). Do I need to modify some file so that mailman knows to compile my new script? Thanks Scott From wiw at nyc.rr.com Thu Dec 11 01:39:05 2003 From: wiw at nyc.rr.com (Bill Wolf) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:39:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looking for advice on setting up a newsletter list Message-ID: <200312110039.hBB0d7cw014252@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Hi there. I'm looking to setup a newsletter type of list. It will be one way only. There doesn't seem to be an explicit option for this on the admin screen. However it looks like perhaps Emergency mode will work for this. Is that true? Any other suggestions regarding setting up such a list re things like hiding the list from other users, etc would be appreciated. Thanks -Bill From caver at verizon.net Thu Dec 11 02:56:22 2003 From: caver at verizon.net (Seth Lake) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:56:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Having Problems with Different Port References: <00f101c3bdc8$249db510$6400a8c0@papasan> <004401c3bdff$ff39e400$6400a8c0@papasan> Message-ID: <00ae01c3bf89$fe02d890$6400a8c0@papasan> so the only advise i can get on this subject from the entire list is 'dude, get a new isp'? that's it? sad. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Seth Lake" To: Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Having Problems with Different Port > other non-80 port related issues... > > made a group 'Test' locally (via 'www.on-rope.net:8080') and it shows up in > the external listinfo and the internal listinfo, but the other pre-existing > lists still don't show up locally. > > externally if you go to a list info page (1 page in from the entry page) the > bottom link 'Overview of all on-rope.net mailing lists' still manages to > drop the port. > > perhaps there should be a... > DEFAULT_URL_PORT = '80' > ...variable. > > i've put alot of time getting postfix / mailman up and running, it'll be a > shame to have to scrap it all for qmail / ezmlm. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Seth Lake" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:07 PM > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Having Problems with Different Port > > > Howdy. > > Here's my situation... > > my DSL ISP (verizon) blocks port 80. I registered a domain and found a > dynamic DNS service that will forward requests. i forward 'www.on-rope.net' > to 'on-rope.net:8080'. at my firewall i forward all port 8080 traffic to > port 80 on the www server. so far not bad, but now i try to get mailman > working... > > just setting... > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'on-rope.net' > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.on-rope.net' > ...doesn't work because when your browser hits > 'http://on-rope.net:8080/mailman/listinfo' mailman says 'no lists on > on-rope.net:8080'. okay, so try and set... > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'on-rope.net' > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'on-rope.net:8080' > ...doesn't work right. on the main index page there's a main email address, > 'mailman at on-rope.net'. but instead of that, what it should be, it says > 'mailman at on-rope.net:8080' and i can't figure out where this is set or how > to change it. > > another problem i have is when a user clicks on the archive link the link > tries to send the user to 'http://www.on-rope.net/mailman/private//'. > interestingly, this does not happen on empty archives, only after a message > has gone though the list. i fixed / hacked this problem by putting this in > my config file... > PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://on-rope.net:8080/pipermail/%(listname)s' > ...which seemed to work. > > so okay, now i seem to have pretty much everything working okay except for > the mailman email address on the main page. no big deal, i guess i can live > with that. i'm doing all this at work so i can make sure it works from > outside the firewall and ISP's blocked ports and all that. and, at the end > of the day, i go home. > > hmm, more problems. i can access any of my web stuff at home. when i go to > my web server ('http://www.on-rope.net/mailman/listinfo' from home, no need > for port forwarding) there are no lists. i edit my apache config and add > 'Listen *:8080' and then try 'www.on-rope.net:8080' but mailman still says > no lists. this may be because of the 'www' but without the hostname my > brwser just spins it's wheels at home, doesn't know where to get the page > from. i notice that there's no port in the page heading when i'm at home, > at work the main heading is 'on-rope.net:8080 Mailing Lists' but when i'm at > home the heading is 'www.on-rope.net Mailing Lists' no matter what port i > put in. > > so how can i access the same lists from home and abroad? i don't need/want > to host more than a few lists and i have a feeling that the virtual host > system is what's messing with me. is there a way to turn it off? i tried > this... > add_virtualhost('www.on-rope.net', DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) > ...to no avail. any help is greatly appreciated. > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: caver at verizon.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/caver%40verizon.net > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: caver at verizon.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/caver%40verizon.net From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Dec 11 03:18:37 2003 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 03:18:37 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Having Problems with Different Port In-Reply-To: <00ae01c3bf89$fe02d890$6400a8c0@papasan> References: <00f101c3bdc8$249db510$6400a8c0@papasan> <004401c3bdff$ff39e400$6400a8c0@papasan> <00ae01c3bf89$fe02d890$6400a8c0@papasan> Message-ID: At 8:56 PM -0500 2003/12/10, Seth Lake wrote: > so the only advise i can get on this subject from the entire list is 'dude, > get a new isp'? that's it? sad. How about "please don't top post" or "please trim quotations appropriately"? -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From ratty at they.org Thu Dec 11 03:29:09 2003 From: ratty at they.org (frank) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:29:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] qmail-to-mailman.py is out of date (patch) Message-ID: This diff should fix it. I know zero about python, but when I run 'newlist' (Mailman 2.1.3) it gives a list of 10 email aliases for you to create. This looked like the right spot to put them. It works or me. -Frank --- qmail-to-mailman.py.old 2003-12-10 18:13:25.000000000 -0800 +++ qmail-to-mailman.py 2003-12-10 18:15:17.000000000 -0800 @@ -77,10 +77,13 @@ type = "post" types = (("-admin$", "bounces"), ("-bounces$", "bounces"), + ("-confirm$", "confirm"), ("-join$", "join"), ("-leave$", "leave"), ("-owner$", "owner"), - ("-request$", "request")) + ("-request$", "request"), + ("-subscribe$", "subscribe"), + ("-unsubscribe$", "unsubscribe")) for i in types: if re.search(i[0],local): From klowther at cisnet.com Fri Dec 12 00:19:28 2003 From: klowther at cisnet.com (hermit) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:19:28 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] redundant applications at different sites Message-ID: <200312112319.28448.klowther@cisnet.com> I couldn't find this info with google or in the archives. Probably my search terms are different than that used on the list. I have a working copy of Mailman running. For one list only, I want to have a redundant copy in another country. Archives are not a factor since they are already maintained by other means. I will use equal mx records for both sites. Is there any thing other than the list directory that needs to be rsynced over? Thanks -- Ken Lowther From wiw at nyc.rr.com Thu Dec 11 05:52:49 2003 From: wiw at nyc.rr.com (Bill Wolf) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:52:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looking for advice on setting up a newsletter list In-Reply-To: <200312110039.hBB0d7cw014252@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <200312110452.hBB4qpcw017107@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Just to clarify, some of the other things I want to do are simplify the screens the end user sees. They don't need to see their detailed options, or have the ability to pick digest mode. I've been working with editing the public pages via the admin function which is pretty cool, but I want to see if there's a better way to do all of this. I'm hoping someone here has dealt with this while thing before. Thanks -Bill -----Original Message----- From: Bill Wolf [mailto:wiw at nyc.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 7:39 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looking for advice on setting up a newsletter list Hi there. I'm looking to setup a newsletter type of list. It will be one way only. There doesn't seem to be an explicit option for this on the admin screen. However it looks like perhaps Emergency mode will work for this. Is that true? Any other suggestions regarding setting up such a list re things like hiding the list from other users, etc would be appreciated. Thanks -Bill From paul at thcwd.com Thu Dec 11 05:57:43 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:57:43 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blank x 2 Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20031210225615.01b19350@mail.thcwd.com> From paul at thcwd.com Thu Dec 11 05:59:06 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:59:06 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] blank e-mails Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20031210225831.088828b0@mail.themarriagebed.com> Sorry for the blank e-mails. If you use Eudora, do NOT get Panda Titanium 2004, it trashes mail sending. What I was TRYING to say has been said by others already. <>< Paul From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Thu Dec 11 05:59:06 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:59:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Having Problems with Different Port In-Reply-To: <00ae01c3bf89$fe02d890$6400a8c0@papasan> References: <00f101c3bdc8$249db510$6400a8c0@papasan> <004401c3bdff$ff39e400$6400a8c0@papasan> <00ae01c3bf89$fe02d890$6400a8c0@papasan> Message-ID: <20031211045905.GH14359@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Seth Lake wrote: > so the only advise i can get on this subject from the entire list is > 'dude, get a new isp'? that's it? sad. Well, since you have such a wonderful attitude, I'm sure many of us are now happy to donate our time to helping you. I'll be nicer than I really ought to be and tell you to check out DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN (which was just mentioned on this list yesterday in reference to someone running a webserver on a non-default port). If it's not obvious from seeing its use in Defaults.py, the list archives should help. And, like Brad said, "please don't top post" and "please trim quotations appropriately." To that, I might add, "please read the archives a bit to see if what you are asking about has already been answered already." - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== A "No" uttered from deepest conviction is better and greater than a "Yes" merely uttered to please, or what is worse, to avoid trouble. -- Mohandas Gandhi -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/1/mZuv+09NZUB1oRAo8EAKD3amLGsaLYrsAaquE537jUXWRj4QCg8xTG VSipGxQhp0746Q65QQcXa2g= =wWwK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From michael at mmwis.com Thu Dec 11 06:05:36 2003 From: michael at mmwis.com (= Michael Aivaliotis =) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:05:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachment stripper-relinker In-Reply-To: <200312110452.hBB4qpcw017107@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: I don't know if someone has implemented this before. I want to have any attachments posted emails, stripped from the email, before they are posted to the group. Attachments would go to a designated directory on my server. In place of the attachments there will be a hyperlink pointing to the location of the attachment on the server. Is this possible or am I just dreaming? Michael Aivaliotis From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Thu Dec 11 06:11:12 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:11:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looking for advice on setting up a newsletter list In-Reply-To: <200312110452.hBB4qpcw017107@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> References: <200312110039.hBB0d7cw014252@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <200312110452.hBB4qpcw017107@nycsmtp4out-eri0.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20031211051112.GI14359@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bill Wolf wrote: > Just to clarify, some of the other things I want to do are simplify > the screens the end user sees. They don't need to see their > detailed options, or have the ability to pick digest mode. I've > been working with editing the public pages via the admin function > which is pretty cool, but I want to see if there's a better way to > do all of this. I'm hoping someone here has dealt with this while > thing before. Have you checked out the FAQ section, "3.11. How do I create a newsletter/announcement/one-way list?" http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp It makes a few suggestions for trying to simplify things for end users on an announcement list. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Thank God we don't get all the government we pay for. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/1/xwuv+09NZUB1oRAvRYAJ9cJDz9f/y+zhurAK2lqFEidvRPoACeN5cV y3rdUHQSF7GARcnjNay0ITQ= =VvfH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From simon at caperet.com Thu Dec 11 09:09:13 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:09:13 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripped Subject In-Reply-To: <3FD77ACA.7070601@cyclades.com> References: <3FD77ACA.7070601@cyclades.com> Message-ID: <20031211080913.GB3448@mediadev.com> 10-Dec-03 at 11:58, Paulo R Kappke (paulokappke at cyclades.com) wrote : > Something very weird is happening with my Mailman. When someone sends an > e-mail to a mailing list and put a long subject, 60 or 70 characters, > the e-mail is being received with the prefix ("[list-name]") only. > > Looks like Mailman is stripping the subject. > > I am running Mailman version 2.1.1 in a RedHat 9 box. Is it stripping the subject completely, or is it adding a completely legal linebreak? Have you checked the raw message headers? RFC 822: "Each header field can be viewed as a single, logical line of ASCII characters, comprising a field-name and a field-body. For convenience, the field-body portion of this conceptual entity can be split into a multiple-line representation; this is called "folding". The general rule is that wherever there may be linear-white-space (NOT simply LWSP-chars), a CRLF immediately followed by AT LEAST one LWSP-char may instead be inserted." RFC 2822: "Each header field is logically a single line of characters comprising the field name, the colon, and the field body. For convenience however, and to deal with the 998/78 character limitations per line*, the field body portion of a header field can be split into a multiple line representation; this is called "folding". The general rule is that wherever this standard allows for folding white space (not simply WSP characters), a CRLF may be inserted before any WSP. For example, the header field: Subject: This is a test can be represented as: Subject: This is a test " * 998 being a sort of absolute maximum understood by a majority of MTAs; 78 being a recommended maximum line length. Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Wed Dec 10 21:30:24 2003 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:30:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer in Mailman References: <56986.206.61.40.176.1071056849.squirrel@www.sharmara.com> Message-ID: sharmap at sharmara.com scripsit/wrote: > Like info at xyz.com should be sent to 3 emails ad xyz company. > So everybody can post to info at xyz.com. Works fine.. Hm. Using aliases would be an easier way for that, don't you think so? > But each email has an footer containing information to go to archives.. > and kind of everybody could than read all archives on this private > system.. Why don't you disable archiving completely or make the archive private (i.e. open only to list members)? > So Wat i wnat is that email posted by non-members should not include the > archive and mailman info footer.... > > Is that possible to be configured this way... I don't think so, but you could also disable the footer completely (or change it). -thh From rickard at dicom.se Thu Dec 11 09:36:54 2003 From: rickard at dicom.se (Rickard Andersson) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:36:54 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix won't listen? Message-ID: We're pulling our hair out over this one. Why can't our newly installed Panther Mailman talk to Postfix? Is this a relaying problem? Postfix is set to listen to localhost/127.0.0.1 of course and we can telnet port 25 and dump mail all we want, no problem. This also shows up in mail.log. But when we add a new list and user, the outgoing qrunner process grabs 100% CPU and stays that way indefinitely. Mail.log logs nothing that indicates mailman talking to it, but the mailman delivery failure log says "delivery to failed with code -1:ignore". The mailman delivery log says "all recipients refused" and "no address associated with nodename". Anyone have tips on where to start looking? More info, screenshots, error logs, DNS data and loose hair provided on request :-) /Peter Nilsson /Rickard Andersson /thedumbfvcksatdicom.se From srb at umich.edu Thu Dec 11 14:04:53 2003 From: srb at umich.edu (Steve Burling) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:04:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Having Problems with Different Port In-Reply-To: <00ae01c3bf89$fe02d890$6400a8c0@papasan> References: <00f101c3bdc8$249db510$6400a8c0@papasan> <004401c3bdff$ff39e400$6400a8c0@papasan> <00ae01c3bf89$fe02d890$6400a8c0@papasan> Message-ID: <2147483647.1071129892@[192.168.1.100]> --On Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:56 PM -0500 Seth Lake wrote: > so the only advise i can get on this subject from the entire list is > 'dude, get a new isp'? that's it? sad. To which I reply: How about "Dude, get a better attitude"? Or "Dude, try some software that you pay for, then maybe you can expect to get 'free' support"? -- Steve Burling University of Michigan, ICPSR Voice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Dec 11 15:26:46 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 11 Dec 2003 09:26:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix won't listen? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1071152806.4310.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 03:36, Rickard Andersson wrote: > We're pulling our hair out over this one. > Why can't our newly installed Panther Mailman talk to Postfix? > Is this a relaying problem? Postfix is set to listen to localhost/127.0.0.1 > of course and we can telnet port 25 and dump mail all we want, no problem. > This also shows up in mail.log. > > But when we add a new list and user, the outgoing qrunner process grabs 100% > CPU and stays that way indefinitely. > Mail.log logs nothing that indicates mailman talking to it, but the mailman > delivery failure log says "delivery to failed with code > -1:ignore". > The mailman delivery log says "all recipients refused" and "no address > associated with nodename". > > Anyone have tips on where to start looking? > More info, screenshots, error logs, DNS data and loose hair provided on > request :-) > > /Peter Nilsson > /Rickard Andersson > /thedumbfvcksatdicom.se > It could very well be a relaying problem - in fact it sounds like a classic relaying problem of a local user on Postfix (read the POSTFIX.README that comes with Mailman). Make sure your Postfix is setup to relay any traffic that is dropped off at 127.0.0.1, also check your /etc/hosts file: 127.0.0.1 localhost, localhost.localdomain Finally, you should check your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and Defaults.py files to see what your default host names are set to. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From paulokappke at cyclades.com Thu Dec 11 17:16:37 2003 From: paulokappke at cyclades.com (Paulo R Kappke) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:16:37 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripped Subject In-Reply-To: <20031211080913.GB3448@mediadev.com> References: <3FD77ACA.7070601@cyclades.com> <20031211080913.GB3448@mediadev.com> Message-ID: <3FD89865.7070505@cyclades.com> No Simon, the subject was stripped. Here is the header: Return-Path: Delivered-To: paulokappke at cyclades.com Received: from mail.cyclades.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by intra.cyclades.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FFF8001AA; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:25:01 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: cyus.test at cyclades.com Received: from cyclades.com (unknown [192.168.44.203]) by intra.cyclades.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0EE8000B1 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:24:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3FD60550.9010006 at cyclades.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:24:32 -0800 From: Paulo Kappke Organization: Cyclades Corporation User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cyus.test at cyclades.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Cyclades-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-BeenThere: cyus.test at cyclades.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: paulo.kappke at cyclades.com List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: cyus.test-bounces at cyclades.com Errors-To: cyus.test-bounces at cyclades.com X-Cyclades-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information Subject: [Cyus.test] I have written 59 characters in this e-mail. Regards, Paulo K Simon White wrote: > 10-Dec-03 at 11:58, Paulo R Kappke (paulokappke at cyclades.com) wrote : > >>Something very weird is happening with my Mailman. When someone sends an >>e-mail to a mailing list and put a long subject, 60 or 70 characters, >>the e-mail is being received with the prefix ("[list-name]") only. >> >>Looks like Mailman is stripping the subject. >> >>I am running Mailman version 2.1.1 in a RedHat 9 box. > > > Is it stripping the subject completely, or is it adding a completely > legal linebreak? Have you checked the raw message headers? > > RFC 822: > > "Each header field can be viewed as a single, logical line of > ASCII characters, comprising a field-name and a field-body. > For convenience, the field-body portion of this conceptual > entity can be split into a multiple-line representation; this > is called "folding". The general rule is that wherever there > may be linear-white-space (NOT simply LWSP-chars), a CRLF > immediately followed by AT LEAST one LWSP-char may instead be > inserted." > > RFC 2822: > > "Each header field is logically a single line of characters comprising > the field name, the colon, and the field body. For convenience > however, and to deal with the 998/78 character limitations per line*, > the field body portion of a header field can be split into a multiple > line representation; this is called "folding". The general rule is > that wherever this standard allows for folding white space (not simply > WSP characters), a CRLF may be inserted before any WSP. For example, > the header field: > > Subject: This is a test > > can be represented as: > > Subject: This > is a test > " > > * 998 being a sort of absolute maximum understood by a majority of MTAs; > 78 being a recommended maximum line length. > > Regards, > From simon at caperet.com Thu Dec 11 17:26:42 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:26:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripped Subject In-Reply-To: <3FD89865.7070505@cyclades.com> References: <3FD77ACA.7070601@cyclades.com> <20031211080913.GB3448@mediadev.com> <3FD89865.7070505@cyclades.com> Message-ID: <20031211162642.GS3448@mediadev.com> 11-Dec-03 at 08:16, Paulo R Kappke (paulokappke at cyclades.com) wrote : > No Simon, the subject was stripped. Hmmm... It was a guess - I have seen issues like that before. If it was stripped entirely I'm not sure where you need to be looking, maybe somebody else has a bit of an idea? Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From paulokappke at cyclades.com Thu Dec 11 17:35:06 2003 From: paulokappke at cyclades.com (Paulo R Kappke) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:35:06 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripped Subject In-Reply-To: <20031211162642.GS3448@mediadev.com> References: <3FD77ACA.7070601@cyclades.com> <20031211080913.GB3448@mediadev.com> <3FD89865.7070505@cyclades.com> <20031211162642.GS3448@mediadev.com> Message-ID: <3FD89CB9.4080902@cyclades.com> Simon, this is really weird. I could not find any hint, but maybe someone has an idea. Thanks, Paulo K Simon White wrote: > 11-Dec-03 at 08:16, Paulo R Kappke (paulokappke at cyclades.com) wrote : > >>No Simon, the subject was stripped. > > > Hmmm... It was a guess - I have seen issues like that before. If it was > stripped entirely I'm not sure where you need to be looking, maybe > somebody else has a bit of an idea? > > Regards, > From jon at jonsweb.net Thu Dec 11 17:42:36 2003 From: jon at jonsweb.net (Jonathan Garton) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:42:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spaces in Email Addresses Message-ID: I have a problem with spaces in my lists email names. Awhile back I mass subscribed a list of email and real names that was exported from another list manager program. The format of export was "name at email.com realname". It added these entries to Mailman with the space and realname as the email address. However, from the admin pages, I can't unsubscribe these names, as apparently Mailman doesn't see them as being subscribed. I have tried entering the email only, and the email and name in quotes, and both return errors from Mailman saying I can't unsubscribe nonmemebers. Is there another way I can dump these accounts? Thanks. -- From ratty at they.org Thu Dec 11 18:13:44 2003 From: ratty at they.org (frank) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:13:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spaces in Email Addresses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I had a similar problem just last week where I had an address with 2 @'s in it. Actually it was to addresses concatenated but whenever Mailman displayed the addy it was truncated at the second @. My final solution was to dump the config: # bin/config_list -o outfile listname then dump the userlist: # bin/list_members listname > outfile2 Here you should munge up outfile2 so it's the proper format for re-insertion later. destroy the list (leaving archives in tact): # bin/rmlist listname recreate the list (the user and password here mean little because of the next step): # bin/newlist listname user at ho.st XXXXXXXX write your old config over it: # bin/config_list -i outfile listname resubscribe your members silently: # bin/add_members -r outfile2 -w n -a n Of course you'll have to deal with your digest vs. regular subscribers on your own. Most of my lists are either announce-only or low-traffic so all my members are regular. Hope this helps! (And I hope there's a better way than all that, but it works in a pinch) -Frank On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Jonathan Garton wrote: # I have a problem with spaces in my lists email names. Awhile back I mass # subscribed a list of email and real names that was exported from another # list manager program. The format of export was "name at email.com realname". # It added these entries to Mailman with the space and realname as the # email address. However, from the # admin pages, I can't unsubscribe these names, as apparently Mailman # doesn't see them as being subscribed. # # I have tried entering the email only, and the email and name in quotes, # and both return errors from Mailman saying I can't unsubscribe # nonmemebers. # # Is there another way I can dump these accounts? # # Thanks. From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Dec 11 18:21:04 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 11 Dec 2003 12:21:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spaces in Email Addresses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1071163264.4774.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 11:42, Jonathan Garton wrote: > I have a problem with spaces in my lists email names. Awhile back I mass > subscribed a list of email and real names that was exported from another > list manager program. The format of export was "name at email.com realname". > It added these entries to Mailman with the space and realname as the > email address. However, from the > admin pages, I can't unsubscribe these names, as apparently Mailman > doesn't see them as being subscribed. > > I have tried entering the email only, and the email and name in quotes, > and both return errors from Mailman saying I can't unsubscribe > nonmemebers. > > Is there another way I can dump these accounts? > > Thanks. Read the FAQ... Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py I think the easiest way to do this is to use a hex editor and simply insert a valid character where the spaces are. Then you can treat them as ordinary email addresses. Note: the address may appear in the database in multiple places. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From randy at psg.com Thu Dec 11 18:37:14 2003 From: randy at psg.com (Randy Bush) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:37:14 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] semi-virtual domains under exim References: Message-ID: mailman 2.1.3 under freebsd 4.9-stable with exim-4.24 nigel's faq on mailman, has left me a bit confused regarding semi-virtual domains. i can not understand how to have lists on the same host (with no list name collisions) come from different aliases of that host. in exim, i don't use the full virt domain stuff, but just alias all the other domains to my main domain using a list kept in domainlist local_domains = /usr/local/etc/exim/local.domains and i have lists of the form multi6 at ops.ietf.org maxon at psg.com mfld at mfld.org all working on the same host under majordomo and exim4. in majordomo's listname.config, i just say resend_host = ops.ietf.org and the OUTGOING MAIL HEADERS all seem to work. but i can't seem to suss this out with mailman. i did search the archives, read the faq, ... and found nothing useful. this is hard to believe, so i guess i just am searching poorly. sorry. any clues or pointers? randy From subs=mailman-users at rz.xs4all.nl Thu Dec 11 20:58:58 2003 From: subs=mailman-users at rz.xs4all.nl (Rejo Zenger) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:58:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] public archive not-accessible, private archives are - permissions problem? Message-ID: <20031211195858.GB28165@rz.xs4all.nl> [I have send this earlier, but it didn't seem to make it to the list.] Hello, I have recvently migrated my mail- and mailinglistserver to a new box. All works well except for one thing: access to the public archives is denied. The box is running Linux 2.4.10, with Exim 4.20, Apache 2.n and Mailman 2.1. All is running well. Except for one thing: access to private archives available, to public archives denied. damogran:/ # la -dA /usr/lib/mailman/ drwxrwsr-x 20 root mailman 536 Dec 9 00:28 /usr/lib/mailman/ damogran:/ # la -dA /usr/lib/mailman/archives drwxrwsr-x 4 root mailman 96 Dec 7 18:44 /usr/lib/mailman/archives damogran:/ # la -A /usr/lib/mailman/archives total 1 drwxrws--x 27 wwwrun mailman 1016 Dec 8 02:00 private drwxrwsr-x 2 wwwrun mailman 376 Dec 9 01:15 public damogran:/ # la /usr/lib/mailman/archives/public/test-ml* lrwxrwxrwx 1 wwwrun mailman 41 Dec 7 18:40 /usr/lib/mailman/archives/public/test-ml -> /usr/lib/mailman/archives/private/test-ml lrwxrwxrwx 1 wwwrun mailman 46 Dec 7 18:40 /usr/lib/mailman/archives/public/test-ml.mbox -> /usr/lib/mailman/archives/private/test-ml.mbox damogran:/ # la -Ad /usr/lib/mailman/archives/private/test-ml drwxrwsr-x 5 wwwrun mailman 360 Dec 8 03:27 /usr/lib/mailman/archives/private/test-ml And, as for the Apache configuration: [...] ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /usr/lib/mailman/archives/public/ Options FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Options None Order allow,deny Allow from all Of course I did run check_perms (which no longer gives any warnings) and check Google. To no avail. Someone an idea? -- Rejo Zenger - http://rejo.zenger.nl - PGP 0x75FC50F3 From ricardo at americasnet.com Thu Dec 11 21:09:06 2003 From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:09:06 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ability to view all members in list? Message-ID: <3fd8cee2.1da.2917.1617402030@server2.americasnet.com> Hi, How can I view all members in a list rather than only in chunks for each letter? Thanks Ricardo From jam at jamux.com Thu Dec 11 22:38:34 2003 From: jam at jamux.com (John A. Martin) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:38:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Debian Back-Port? In-Reply-To: <20031211115752.32116b49.raquel@thericehouse.net> (Raquel Rice's message of "Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:57:52 -0800") References: <20031209080752.519a6465.raquel@thericehouse.net> <87vfopsr33.fsf@athene.jamux.com> <20031211115752.32116b49.raquel@thericehouse.net> Message-ID: <87k753nig5.fsf@athene.jamux.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 154 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031211/87164ef3/attachment.pgp From pjh at mccc.edu Thu Dec 11 22:43:38 2003 From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:43:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing Latst Version? In-Reply-To: <87k753nig5.fsf@athene.jamux.com> Message-ID: The system admin where I have my mailing list asks if there is a way to install the latest version of mailman without "blowing everything away". I guess he means can he preserve exisitng lists, config files, etc. when he updates. We're using V1.1 (he's hard to convince!) Thanks, Pete From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Thu Dec 11 22:49:52 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:49:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing Latst Version? In-Reply-To: References: <87k753nig5.fsf@athene.jamux.com> Message-ID: <20031211214952.GV14359@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Pete Holsberg wrote: > The system admin where I have my mailing list asks if there is a way > to install the latest version of mailman without "blowing > everything away". > > I guess he means can he preserve exisitng lists, config files, etc. > when he updates. > > We're using V1.1 (he's hard to convince!) There is a file called UPGRADING in the mailman tarball that details the steps you'd need to take to accomplish this. I'm sure there is some other info in the archives of this list as well. Point your sysadmin in that direction. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== If the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/2OaAuv+09NZUB1oRAleAAKCQqARu38QcGY29pi0/O/AMTXKbOACgtd3R y8xUysDpAbCSoCzxq0Fs/no= =2CUK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From scott at villinski.com Fri Dec 12 00:16:05 2003 From: scott at villinski.com (Scott C. Villinski) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:16:05 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looking for the reverse of a "ban list" In-Reply-To: <3FD7A7C7.6040904@villinski.com> References: <3FD7A7C7.6040904@villinski.com> Message-ID: <3FD8FAB5.3080108@villinski.com> Scott C. Villinski wrote: > I'd like to configure a set of domain names that are allowed to > subscribe to lists. It could be the equivalent of a Ban list with some > domain names as exceptions. Or just an "Allow List". Any thoughts? I > saw in the archives the messages about allow lists for sending messages > - but I don't think this will help me. > > Thanks, > > Scott I'll reply to my own message since I figured out a way to do this. If you want the reverse of the ban_list (for subscriptions), then what you can do is modify the $prefix/Mailman/MailList.py file, and on line 770 (of Mailman v 2.1.3) starts the ban_list processing. Change the ban=0 to ban=1, and replace the original ban=1 with ban=0. What this does is change the code from blocking a user that matches the pattern to only allowing users that match. It's a hack - but it seems to work. When you are done, you should only have made 3 changes (one ban=0 to ban=1, and two ban=1 to ban=0). I was happy to see how simple it was. So far I haven't seen any bad side effects of making this change - but maybe somebody will have and idea. Scott From kss at kldp.org Fri Dec 12 02:19:46 2003 From: kss at kldp.org (Soon-Son Kwon) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:19:46 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] incoming qrunner does not run Message-ID: <20031212011946.GA14669@www.kldp.org> Hello everyone... I am using debian woody with exim as MTA. I upgraded my mailman from 2.0.x to 2.1.2 using debian package. But I hit a problem that the email is not delivered to the list members and archives either. I found that at /var/log/mailman/qrunner, the incoming qrunner fails to run as follows (please see the log message below): Any ideas on this? Thanks very much in advance. ----- Dec 12 09:18:17 2003 (1634) BounceRunner qrunner started. Dec 12 09:18:17 2003 (1633) ArchRunner qrunner started. Dec 12 09:18:18 2003 (1635) CommandRunner qrunner started. Dec 12 09:18:18 2003 (1636) IncomingRunner qrunner started. Dec 12 09:18:18 2003 (1638) OutgoingRunner qrunner started. Dec 12 09:18:18 2003 (1639) VirginRunner qrunner started. Dec 12 09:18:18 2003 (1637) NewsRunner qrunner started. Dec 12 09:18:18 2003 (1632) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 1636, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Dec 12 09:18:20 2003 (1642) IncomingRunner qrunner started. Dec 12 09:18:20 2003 (1632) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 1642, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Dec 12 09:18:21 2003 (1646) IncomingRunner qrunner started. Dec 12 09:18:21 2003 (1632) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 1646, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Dec 12 09:18:22 2003 (1651) IncomingRunner qrunner started. Dec 12 09:18:22 2003 (1632) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 1651, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Dec 12 09:18:23 2003 (1653) IncomingRunner qrunner started. Dec 12 09:18:23 2003 (1632) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 1653, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Dec 12 09:18:24 2003 (1656) IncomingRunner qrunner started. Dec 12 09:18:24 2003 (1632) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 1656, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Dec 12 09:18:25 2003 (1659) IncomingRunner qrunner started. Dec 12 09:18:26 2003 (1632) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 1659, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Dec 12 09:18:28 2003 (1661) IncomingRunner qrunner started. Dec 12 09:18:29 2003 (1632) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 1661, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Dec 12 09:18:31 2003 (1669) IncomingRunner qrunner started. Dec 12 09:18:31 2003 (1632) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 1669, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Dec 12 09:18:33 2003 (1670) IncomingRunner qrunner started. Dec 12 09:18:34 2003 (1632) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 1670, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Dec 12 09:18:34 2003 (1675) IncomingRunner qrunner started. Dec 12 09:18:35 2003 (1632) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 1675, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Dec 12 09:18:35 2003 (1632) Qrunner IncomingRunner reached maximum restart limit of 10, not restarting. From emechler at techometer.net Fri Dec 12 02:22:32 2003 From: emechler at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:22:32 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] incoming qrunner does not run In-Reply-To: <20031212011946.GA14669@www.kldp.org> References: <20031212011946.GA14669@www.kldp.org> Message-ID: <20031212012232.GE3281@techometer.net> :: But I hit a problem that the email is not delivered to the list :: members and archives either. :: :: I found that at /var/log/mailman/qrunner, the incoming qrunner :: fails to run as follows (please see the log message below): :: :: Any ideas on this? Clear out any files you have in ~mailman/qfiles/in/ and then try to start up the qrunner again. Cheers - Erick From kss at kldp.org Fri Dec 12 02:39:57 2003 From: kss at kldp.org (Soon-Son Kwon) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:39:57 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] incoming qrunner does not run In-Reply-To: <20031212012232.GE3281@techometer.net> References: <20031212011946.GA14669@www.kldp.org> <20031212012232.GE3281@techometer.net> Message-ID: <20031212013957.GA20860@www.kldp.org> On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 05:22:32PM -0800, Erick Mechler wrote: > :: But I hit a problem that the email is not delivered to the list > :: members and archives either. > :: > :: I found that at /var/log/mailman/qrunner, the incoming qrunner > :: fails to run as follows (please see the log message below): > :: > :: Any ideas on this? > > Clear out any files you have in ~mailman/qfiles/in/ and then try to start > up the qrunner again. > > Cheers - Erick Thank you very much! Deleting all the files in that directory recovered my mailman back! Thank you.... From post349 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 12 04:44:55 2003 From: post349 at hotmail.com (Cathy Mann) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:44:55 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help mailman-users-request@python.org Message-ID: Please help someone is tring to fun my e-mails and my accounts can you find out who they are by an ip- address?? The following are some of the ip addresses that keep poping up...this one I have an e-mail address: jrubin at sbcglobal.net and this is one of the received mail from you to me post349. received from mail python.prg (12.155.117.291) by me 12-f12hotmail.com received from localhostdomain (1127.0.0.1) helo=mail python.org)by r sender mailman-users-bounces+post349=hotmail.com at python.org x-message-info: JGTYoYD78jE/+0xRzN63zxZWx73Y4vYb X-beenthere: mailman-users@[ython.org X-Mailman-Version:2.1.4a0 Precedence: list List-id: mailman mailing list management users List-Unsubscribe: ,< List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: . return-Path: mailman-users-bounces+post349=hotmaill.com at python.org X-OrginalArrivalTime:03 Dec 2003 17:02:03.0945 )UTC) FILETIME={2C1 View e-mail Message Source Content-Type: multipart/mixed: boundary="================================16 content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Description: Mailman-users Digest, vol 15, Issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Description: Today's Topics (10 messages) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 _________________________________________________________________ Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear at MSN Shopping. And check out the beauty products! http://shopping.msn.com From aharon at simpletone.com Fri Dec 12 09:02:48 2003 From: aharon at simpletone.com (A.N.Varady) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 03:02:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No mail going out to list members (possible postfix smtp or alias problem?) Message-ID: <3FD97628.5010302@simpletone.com> Problem: No mail is being currently bing sent from my lists to the list's members. New posts are being received by my MTA (Postfix), sent to Mailman, processed by Pipermail, and added to archives. The Mailman smtp log, however, does not indicate any of these posts being sent out. I am running: Mailman 2.1.3 (via tar.gz source) Redhat 7.2 Postfix - 20010228 - pl03 Procmail 3.21 Spamassassin 2.60 Background: After receiving more and more spam on my local user accounts and on my mailman lists, I installed Procmail and Spamassassin. I configured Postfix to use Procmail (and for procmail to run spamassassin). Everything was working fine, and spam was being shunted away from my user accounts and into junk folders, but then I noticed that no new posts were being disseminated through mailman to my listserves. New posts were showing up in the listserve archives, though. Also, I gave up on trying to get procmail/spamassassin to work with Mailman. The aliases generated in data/aliases do no conform with the Mailman-Spamassassin recommendation recommended in the FAQ. Using a seperate aliases file with that method didn't work anyways (not sure why). In any case, I had bigger problems to worry about than spam when the listserves ceased functioning properly. Troubleshooting: I googled for help and searched the archives of this list. Postfix is working, but not Mailman, so I am posting for help in this forum. I followed the suggestions in the Mailman FAQ (Entry 3.14) to no avail. * I added 127.0.0.1 to SMTPHOST in mm_cfg.py and I moved all of the queued files out of the qfiles\old directory and into a temporary directory. * check_perms indicates everything is ok. * qrunner _is_ running. * Besides qrunner there are no other locks. * crond is running. * Mailman aliases are being recognized by Postfix. Postfix logs indicate that (per the aliases) posts are being sent to mail/mailman for processing. * Removing procmail from postfix (via the mailbox_command) did not help. Removing /etc/procmailrc did not help, either. (However, their removal did stop spamassassin from working). Relevant configuration files: IMAGE_LOGOS = '/images/' PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/pipermail' PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/private' MTA = 'Postfix' SMTPHOST = '127.0.0.1' mailman-loop: /home/mailman/data/owner-bounces.mbox # STANZA START: test # CREATED: Thu Dec 11 18:06:05 2003 test: "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post test" test-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman admin test" test-bounces: "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman bounces test" test-confirm: "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman confirm test" test-join: "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman join test" test-leave: "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman leave test" test-owner: "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman owner test" test-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman request test" test-subscribe: "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test" test-unsubscribe: "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe test" alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases alias_maps = hash:/home/mailman/data/aliases command_directory = /usr/sbin daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix debug_peer_level = 2 disable_vrfy_command = yes fast_flush_domains = $relay_domains inet_interfaces = all mail_owner = postfix mail_spool_directory = /var/spool/mail mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail -t mydestination = phobos.serve.com, phobos.simpletone.com mydomain = phobos.serve.com myhostname = phobos.serve.com mynetworks_style = host myorigin = $myhostname queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix relay_domains = $mydestination, 170.140.189.158, 170.140.189.224 smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, check_relay_domains smtpd_sender_restrictions = reject_unknown_sender_domain, reject_invalid_hostname For some reason (I don't quite understand), spamassassin/procmail won't work for my user accounts with /etc/procmail. Simply using .procmail in user directories didn't seem to work. Making a separate /etc/procmail-mailman (|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post $LIST) with a "test: '|/usr/bin/procmail -m LIST=test /etc/procmailrc-mailman'" in /etc/aliases didn't work either. I have given up on getting spamassassin to work with Mailman and would settle for my lists to start functioning properly again. Any support or help would be well appreciated. Thanks for your help, Aharon Varady From simon at caperet.com Fri Dec 12 09:07:11 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:07:11 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looking for the reverse of a "ban list" In-Reply-To: <3FD8FAB5.3080108@villinski.com> References: <3FD7A7C7.6040904@villinski.com> <3FD8FAB5.3080108@villinski.com> Message-ID: <20031212080711.GA16617@mediadev.com> 11-Dec-03 at 16:16, Scott C. Villinski (scott at villinski.com) wrote : > I'll reply to my own message since I figured out a way to do this. If > you want the reverse of the ban_list (for subscriptions), then what you > can do is modify the $prefix/Mailman/MailList.py file, and on line 770 > (of Mailman v 2.1.3) starts the ban_list processing. Change the ban=0 > to ban=1, and replace the original ban=1 with ban=0. What this does is > change the code from blocking a user that matches the pattern to only > allowing users that match. It's a hack - but it seems to work. When > you are done, you should only have made 3 changes (one ban=0 to ban=1, > and two ban=1 to ban=0). I was happy to see how simple it was. So far > I haven't seen any bad side effects of making this change - but maybe > somebody will have and idea. Seems interesting but it will of course break the 'ban list' itself, you won't be able to ban people. I didn't reply before because I didn't have time, but this morning I just peeked at the web interface: sender filters (my web interface is configured in French so that might not be the exact phrase) The question I have is what was wrong with "accept_these_nonmembers" in the first place (since it can take regular expressions it could accept whole domains) and then allowing only members and those domains in "accept_these_nonmembers" to post to the list? You have a number of options on that screen that should already answer your question ("reject_these_nonmembers" "discard_these_nonmembers" "generic_nonmember_action") Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From simon at caperet.com Fri Dec 12 09:25:32 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:25:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] public archive not-accessible, private archives are - permissions problem? In-Reply-To: <20031211195858.GB28165@rz.xs4all.nl> References: <20031211195858.GB28165@rz.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20031212082532.GB16617@mediadev.com> 11-Dec-03 at 20:58, Rejo Zenger (subs=mailman-users at rz.xs4all.nl) wrote : > The box is running Linux 2.4.10, with Exim 4.20, Apache 2.n and Mailman > 2.1. All is running well. Except for one thing: access to private > archives available, to public archives denied. As long as wwwrun is what Apache runs as, the permissions look OK. Apache error logs should tell you a bit more about what is going on. I'm not sure that the Alias settings in your httpd.conf are correct because they aren't necessarily recursive: you have > Alias /pipermail/ /usr/lib/mailman/archives/public/ > > Options FollowSymLinks > > > AllowOverride None > Options None > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > What I have:- Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/ Options Indexes FollowSymlinks MultiViews AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all The ScriptAlias part looks OK and I assume that works, so I have cut that part out. As for private archives, they are not accessed in the same way, and should not be accessible if you set the Alias configuration as above. Access to the private archives is via a cgi-bin script. -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From simon at caperet.com Fri Dec 12 09:29:37 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:29:37 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ability to view all members in list? In-Reply-To: <3fd8cee2.1da.2917.1617402030@server2.americasnet.com> References: <3fd8cee2.1da.2917.1617402030@server2.americasnet.com> Message-ID: <20031212082937.GC16617@mediadev.com> 11-Dec-03 at 12:09, Ricardo Kleemann (ricardo at americasnet.com) wrote : > How can I view all members in a list rather than only in > chunks for each letter? If you have shell access you can do this with list_members a script provided in $prefix/bin On the web I'm not sure that this is possible; although you can search for members etc with the web interface. -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From egd at us.ibm.com Fri Dec 12 10:04:30 2003 From: egd at us.ibm.com (Elizabeth Dunnagan) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 02:04:30 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Elizabeth Dunnagan/Raleigh/IBM is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting December 12, 2003 and will not return until January 5, 2004. From Martin.Hugo at wilmington.k12.oh.us Fri Dec 12 14:03:16 2003 From: Martin.Hugo at wilmington.k12.oh.us (Martin Hugo) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:03:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing Listinfo page Message-ID: <1EA9A124E27E9D4A8FBA16822ACF6DB9FC98@wcsmail2.wcs.wilmington.k12.oh.us> Hello: I am new to Linux and mailman (using Debian distro, Apache 2.0.48, Exim and Mailman 2.0.11). I managed to get everything installed and configured with the help of this list and a friend but I have two questions. 1. What do I need to edit to customize the main listinfo page (I have been able to find and edit the individual list info pages but the main one eludes me)? 2. When I click on the Archive link for a list I get page not found; is this because it is a brand-new list and there is no archive or do I have to create a page (permissions and aliases for archives seem OK)? TIA Marty From linux42 at freemail.c3.hu Fri Dec 12 12:21:36 2003 From: linux42 at freemail.c3.hu (Nagy Gabor) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:21:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can mailman preprocess mails before doing the usual stuff? Message-ID: <20031212112136.GA3190@swordfish.capgemini.hu> Hi list! I would like to modify the messages I send on my lists. I would like to recode the text parts, so that all messages sent out use the same encoding and character set, before doing anything else. Then I would like to strip the html parts from multipart/alternative messages, so that only text/plain remains. Then I would like to put the message in the archive, using something like mhonarc, so that the attachments are put in separate files. Then I would like to change the message sent out to the subscribers, so that instead of the attachments, they receive the URL where they can retreive the archived attachments, if they want to. Can this be done? What parts are possible, in what mailman versions? Are there plans to implement such things? Regards, Gabor From rah at shipwright.com Fri Dec 12 15:54:16 2003 From: rah at shipwright.com (R. A. Hettinga) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:54:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Panther: Linking /usr/local/mailman to /Users/mailman? Message-ID: I finally gave up mucking around in various config files, after I couldn't find anything else to change, :-), and just did a ./mailmantcl to see what would happen. Initially, I was happy, because I got the confirmation messages for a test list and for the list I wanted to create. However, when I sent a test message to my list, it bounced with the following >: Command died with status 2: > "/Users/mailman/mail/mailman post clips". Command output: Group mismatch > error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group > "nobody", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group > "mailman". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group > "nobody", or re-run configure, providing the command line option > `--with-mail-gid=mailman'. So, for fun, I ran "./configure --with-mail-gid=mailman" and it popped up with >checking permissions on /usr/local/mailman... configure: error: >***** Installation directory /usr/local/mailman is not configured properly! >***** Directory doesn't exist: /usr/local/mailman Which, as we've noted here before, doesn't exist. Everything is stuck in /Users/mailman where, apparently, it's supposed to be in OS X, and so, seeing the above error message, it dawned on me that I could just do an ugly hack and symbolically link /usr/local/mailman to /Users/mailman, and be done with it. Anyone think this is a bad idea? If so, do you have a better one? :-) Thanks! Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Dec 12 16:27:24 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:27:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Panther: Linking /usr/local/mailman to /Users/mailman? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031212152724.GG14359@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 R. A. Hettinga wrote: > So, for fun, I ran "./configure --with-mail-gid=mailman" and it > popped up with > >>checking permissions on /usr/local/mailman... configure: error: >>***** Installation directory /usr/local/mailman is not configured properly! >>***** Directory doesn't exist: /usr/local/mailman > > Which, as we've noted here before, doesn't exist. Everything is > stuck in /Users/mailman where, apparently, it's supposed to be in OS > X, and so, seeing the above error message, it dawned on me that I > could just do an ugly hack and symbolically link /usr/local/mailman > to /Users/mailman, and be done with it. > > Anyone think this is a bad idea? If so, do you have a better one? Well, if you're going to rebuild mailman, you might want to take a look at how it was built previously (by whomever supplied the package you installed). That way, you can change only the options that you need, like the mail-gid. I have no idea what sort of packaging software is used on OS X though, so I can't tell you much about how you'd do that. Perhaps someone else can help you there. Alternatively, you could just move completely away from the way they install it there by default and build your own to install in /usr/local/mailman. The advantage there would be that you would have a mailman install much more like the stick install and then the docs would be more applicable to you since you wouldn't have to constantly guess "is this how and where things are in panther?" - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence. -- Charles De Gaulle -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/2d5auv+09NZUB1oRAlj2AJ4+bGP4jnrXAs9y/Fja9ZFUJlg4WQCgwFb3 TAaTHW2zvb1f60ACn/Yq+HY= =4bx/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Dec 12 16:30:36 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:30:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ability to view all members in list? In-Reply-To: <3fd8cee2.1da.2917.1617402030@server2.americasnet.com> References: <3fd8cee2.1da.2917.1617402030@server2.americasnet.com> Message-ID: <20031212153036.GH14359@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ricardo Kleemann wrote: > How can I view all members in a list rather than only in chunks for > each letter? You can either change the admin_member_chunksize setting for the list so it's larger than the total amount of member on your list (which can't be done through the web gui, you'd need command line access) or you can check out the roster, which, oddly enough, is available on the general listinfo page at the bottom. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== The history of liberty is a history of resistance. -- Woodrow Wilson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/2d8cuv+09NZUB1oRAvrTAJsF4jzwPypezOiwv25IuG6GPRiYJQCfRXWn 4TyxqWFAqA8JrcagRTCOcFs= =CtG4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ricardo at americasnet.com Fri Dec 12 16:47:50 2003 From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:47:50 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ability to view all members in list? Message-ID: <3fd9e326.e8.7919.1715076917@server2.americasnet.com> Hi, Thanks for your suggestion. > > You can either change the admin_member_chunksize setting > for the list so it's larger than the total amount of > member on your list (which can't be done through the web > gui, you'd need command line access) or you can check out > the roster, which, oddly enough, is available on the > general listinfo page at the bottom. Is there any reason why the roster doesn't appear in the admin section? That way there would be no need for a second authentication step... since to get into admin you have to authenticate anyway. Anyone have pointers on how to add this feature to the admin section (under membership)? Ricardo From andy47 at halfcooked.com Fri Dec 12 11:36:40 2003 From: andy47 at halfcooked.com (Andy Todd) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:36:40 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FD99A38.5050601@halfcooked.com> Paul Bui wrote: > Hi Andy, > > My version of mailman has been corrupted > I'm wondering if there is a way to convert the config.db > into another format > I don't see a pattern in the file structure > Can you suggest anything I can do > > Thanks > > Peace > > Paul Bui Paul, I don't know enough about mailman to answer your question. I've cc'ed your message to the appropriate mailing list who should be able to help. Regards, Andy -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From the desk of Andrew J Todd esq - http://www.halfcooked.com/ From linux42 at freemail.c3.hu Fri Dec 12 12:21:36 2003 From: linux42 at freemail.c3.hu (Nagy Gabor) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:21:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can mailman preprocess mails before doing the usual stuff? Message-ID: <20031212112136.GA3190@swordfish.capgemini.hu> Hi list! I would like to modify the messages I send on my lists. I would like to recode the text parts, so that all messages sent out use the same encoding and character set, before doing anything else. Then I would like to strip the html parts from multipart/alternative messages, so that only text/plain remains. Then I would like to put the message in the archive, using something like mhonarc, so that the attachments are put in separate files. Then I would like to change the message sent out to the subscribers, so that instead of the attachments, they receive the URL where they can retreive the archived attachments, if they want to. Can this be done? What parts are possible, in what mailman versions? Are there plans to implement such things? Regards, Gabor From burt at cs.miami.edu Fri Dec 12 15:11:01 2003 From: burt at cs.miami.edu (burton rosenberg) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:11:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual domain complete suppression Message-ID: <03CC3CC1-2CAD-11D8-AD78-000393C59CB2@cs.miami.edu> I am installing Mailman for the Dept of Comp Sci, Univ of Miami. It is running on a FreeBSD machine named sherman, and we have a firewall. Internally sherman is 172.20.0.2, but for access beyond the firewall it is also 192.31.89.3. The PIX firewall does the address translation. I also make public the pseudo-name i-sherman with IP 172.20.0.2. When using the Mailman http tools remotely, I set up an ssh tunnel into the department and refer to the web server by i-sherman. Mailman however distinguished between sherman and i-sherman. I think this is called virtual domains and I cannot use the web interface as I would like. I would like that Mailman treat sherman and i-sherman as complete synonyms, as aliases. Is there an option? -burt From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Dec 12 17:45:26 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:45:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual domain complete suppression In-Reply-To: <03CC3CC1-2CAD-11D8-AD78-000393C59CB2@cs.miami.edu> References: <03CC3CC1-2CAD-11D8-AD78-000393C59CB2@cs.miami.edu> Message-ID: <20031212164525.GJ14359@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 burton rosenberg wrote: > I would like that Mailman treat sherman and i-sherman as complete > synonyms, as aliases. If I understand you correctly (and I might not, it's still early in my day and the sugar hasn't kicked in yet), you want mailman to show you the same lists no matter what URL you visit. If so, one of the things you want to look at is the VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW setting, seen in the Defaults.py file and discussed here just 2 days ago. If you will be creating lists via the web interface, you probably want to make sure that mailman always uses the correct URL and domain what it creates the lists. I think just not having any additional virtual hosts defined will achieve this, but you should create a few test lists to be sure they end up with the settings you want. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Process and Procedure are the last hiding place of people without the wit and wisdom to do their job properly. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/2fCluv+09NZUB1oRAuYeAJ9I0QIoDZRCX4dpdCf/YwR+YgaSnQCfXznn O6DT/0vLggppiDXBKuee3uk= =75sc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From michael at espersunited.com Fri Dec 12 19:40:32 2003 From: michael at espersunited.com (Michael Sullivan) Date: 12 Dec 2003 12:40:32 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have a problem... Message-ID: <1071254431.19030.18.camel@baby.espersunited.com> I have mailman set up correctly (I think); I followed the tutorial at http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialMailman.html and I've got the web interface set up. During setup I told mailman that the list owner was michael at espersunited.com . At the end of setup it told me that it was sending an email informing the list owner of the list setup, but I never received the email. I went out to the website and subscribed myself to the both of the lists I have set up (both with michael at espersunited.com as the owner), and I haven't received received an acknowledgement or request for confirmation email. I tried to post a message to my test list and it came back with a USER UNKNOWN error. What am I doing wrong? From johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Fri Dec 12 19:44:33 2003 From: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu (Chris Johnson) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:44:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have a problem... In-Reply-To: <1071254431.19030.18.camel@baby.espersunited.com> Message-ID: On 12 Dec 2003, Michael Sullivan wrote: > I have mailman set up correctly (I think); I followed the tutorial at > http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialMailman.html and I've got > the web interface set up. During setup I told mailman that the list > owner was michael at espersunited.com . At the end of setup it told me > that it was sending an email informing the list owner of the list setup, > but I never received the email. I went out to the website and > subscribed myself to the both of the lists I have set up (both with > michael at espersunited.com as the owner), and I haven't received received > an acknowledgement or request for confirmation email. I tried to post a > message to my test list and it came back with a USER UNKNOWN error. > What am I doing wrong? > > > Did you put the cron and startup scripts in? Is qrunner running? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 149 (2301) 13th Street |"It has yet to be proven that intelligence has Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA | has any survival value." Arthur C. Clarke ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Fri Dec 12 19:56:04 2003 From: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu (Chris Johnson) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:56:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have a problem... In-Reply-To: <1071255487.19030.20.camel@baby.espersunited.com> Message-ID: On 12 Dec 2003, Michael Sullivan wrote: > mailman is running. I don't know anything about qrunner... > > Assuming a bsd varient, what do youget when you do ps ax | grep qrunner ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 149 (2301) 13th Street |"Survival is insufficient" Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA | Seven of nine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tim at politalk.com Fri Dec 12 20:17:17 2003 From: tim at politalk.com (Tim Erickson) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:17:17 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Excessive or Fatal Bounces Message-ID: Since moving our St. Paul public policy listserve to Mailman about 3 weeks ago. I have six subscribers at a specific domain that have not been able to receive our messages. I talked to the tech people at that domain who have told me (I don't understand any of these items, but they sound important): 1) They can't see our messages hitting their mail relay 2) That if this problem was with their SPAM filters, they would at least see the message hit their mail relay. 3) They cannot resolve our domain mnforum.org 4) A friend told me that he is able to resolve our domain. This is part of the message that I keep getting: ----------------- begin ------------------- This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice: List: Stpaul Member: sample at pioneerpress.com Action: Subscription disabled. Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces. ----------------- end ----------------------- Any ideas? Tim Erickson St. Paul Issues Forum http://www.e-democracy.org/stpaul/ -- ================================================= Tim Erickson http://www.politalk.com St. Paul, MN - USA 651-643-0722 tim at politalk.com ICQ: 105978430 ================================================= From help at quality.org Fri Dec 12 20:37:40 2003 From: help at quality.org (SysAdmin) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:37:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have an odd problem Message-ID: Mailman v2.1.2 Mailman is not sending out messages. Every other part of it seems to be working fine. I can add/remove subscribers from all of the list using the web interface, sendmail is running. I've tried stopping and restarting the qrunners, rebooting the server, killing errant locks, everything I can think of, but it just won't send messages to lists. I have a non-Mailman workaround in place, but I'd rather get it working again. Anyone had any similar incidents or can offer any polite suggestions on what to look at next, please contact me. Thanks! Bill ============================================================================== Bill Casti, CQA Email: help at quality.org Text messaging: textmail at quality.org Fax: 1 270 738 2842 Cell: +1 571 283 1802 Tollfree Cell: 1 888 388-1640 Cell: +1 703 244 0497 Tollfree Cell: 1 877 289 2645 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit. ============================================================================== From rah at shipwright.com Fri Dec 12 20:00:43 2003 From: rah at shipwright.com (R. A. Hettinga) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:00:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Panther: Linking /usr/local/mailman to /Users/mailman? In-Reply-To: <20031212152724.GG14359@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <20031212152724.GG14359@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: At 10:27 AM -0500 12/12/03, Todd wrote: >if you're going to rebuild mailman Actually, I've built this from scratch. (Panther Server comes with Mailman, regular old Panther doesn't. Vinnie, my Samoan Attorney told me to us PHP (or python, or mailman) like a man, and save a grand on Panther Server. My time is cheap, these days.) I followed the recommended installation for Jaguar Server found in the OSX.README file , which said to create a user named mailman and put mailman there. I figure that, as far as I can tell, /usr/local/ didn't even exist until I fired up a couple of .pkg files which created stuff in there (that, go figure, doesn't work... :-)), there's a reason that Apple didn't set it up that way. So, I figure creating a symbolic link called /usr/local/mailman, and pointing it to /Users/mailman will do the trick. We'll see what happens. Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Fri Dec 12 20:58:04 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:58:04 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailmanctl -s Message-ID: <20031212195804.GB18817@hq.newdream.net> Still haven't gotten a response on this, other than the fact that other people have noticed the same thing (wrote to the list about it a long time back). When mailmanctl is run with "-s" (supposedly kills stale locks), Mailman spits out the default usage summary, and then "No command given.". Same with "--stale-lock-cleanup". This command also fails to clean up stale locks as advertised. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Dec 12 21:16:04 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:16:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailmanctl -s In-Reply-To: <20031212195804.GB18817@hq.newdream.net> References: <20031212195804.GB18817@hq.newdream.net> Message-ID: <20031212201604.GZ14359@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Will Yardley wrote: > When mailmanctl is run with "-s" (supposedly kills stale locks), > Mailman spits out the default usage summary, and then "No command > given.". Same with "--stale-lock-cleanup". This command also fails > to clean up stale locks as advertised. AFAIK, you still need to give one of the commands, like stop or restart along with the -s option. How are you calling mailmanctl? Forgive me if I'm telling you things you already know. I just ran mailmanctl -s stop and it indeed killed the qrunners as advertised. I didn't do anything to try and ensure that there were stale locks, I just wanted to see if I got the same usage message you did. The usage summary could probably be a little more clear that a command is required. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Put the key of despair into the lock of apathy. Turn the knob of mediocrity slowly and open the gates of despondency - welcome to a day in the average office. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/2iIEuv+09NZUB1oRAnMRAKCupouJk/j8n2SyhWlSb1nEQoDHLQCglwpS Q6XoUhoVkwyZuDVFpRj7Y5c= =AYVm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From subs=mailman-users at rz.xs4all.nl Fri Dec 12 21:25:30 2003 From: subs=mailman-users at rz.xs4all.nl (Rejo Zenger) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:25:30 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] public archive not-accessible, private archives are - permissions problem? In-Reply-To: <20031212082532.GB16617@mediadev.com> References: <20031211195858.GB28165@rz.xs4all.nl> <20031212082532.GB16617@mediadev.com> Message-ID: <20031212202530.GA21073@rz.xs4all.nl> ++ 12/12/03 09:25 +0100 - Simon White: >What I have:- > [settings] That did the trick. Thank you. -- Rejo Zenger - http://rejo.zenger.nl - PGP 0x75FC50F3 From Lena at lena.kiev.ua Fri Dec 12 21:10:06 2003 From: Lena at lena.kiev.ua (Lena at lena.kiev.ua) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:10:06 +0200 (EET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can mailman preprocess mails before doing the usual stuff? Message-ID: > From: Nagy Gabor > I would like to modify the messages I send on my lists. > > I would like to recode the text parts, so that all messages sent out use > the same encoding and character set, before doing anything else. Find from where wrappers are called. In my case (Mailman 2.1.2, Exim 4.24, licensed cPanel, Linux 2.4.20-19.7smp (Red Hat 7.3?)) I can edit /etc/valiases/MYDOMAINNAME (it's owned by my userid) and it contains a line: LISTNAME at MYDOMAINNAME: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman post LISTNAME_MYDOMAINNAME" If you know Perl then insert /PATH/RECODERSCRIPT.pl| after the | and write that script to do recoding (and changing charset accordingly in the header). The script will have header and body on STDIN and should output them to STDOUT, write nothing to STDERR and return 0 (exit, not die). The script can be written in another language. I plan to write such script for recoding between two main Russian charsets (with charset autodetection if necessary) and decoding base64 and quoted-printable in body and header, but it'll not be soon (so far my list is on yahooGroups, I'm just preparing in case yahoo requires to pay too much, and I already pay for web-hosting). I have shell (SSH) non-root access, but it isn't necessary for editing /etc/valiases/MYDOMAINNAME because CGI scripts are called under my userid. I wrote and uploaded two CGI scripts - for reading a file not in my home directory (unaccessible via FTP) and for overwriting /etc/valiases/MYDOMAINNAME by edited version I upload to my home directory: #!/usr/bin/perl -w $| = 1; print "Content-type: text/plain\n\n"; $| = 0; open( STDERR, '>&STDOUT' ); $_ = $ENV{'QUERY_STRING'}; if ( m{[^\w\.\@/-]} or m{^home/MYUSERID} or m{/\.\./} ) { print "invalid parameter\n"; } else { print "/$_\n\n"; if ( open( IN, "/$_" )) { while ( ) { print; } close IN; } else { print "open failed: $!\n"; } } #!/usr/bin/perl -w $| = 1; print "Content-type: text/plain\n\n"; open( STDERR, '>&STDOUT' ); $from = '/home/MYUSERID/va'; $to = '/etc/valiases/MYDOMAINNAME'; if ( -e $from ) { print `cp $from $to`; print "\ncp exit status: $?\n"; if ( unlink $from ) { print "\ndeleted\n"; } else { print "\nerror deleting\n"; } } else { print "doesn't exist\n"; } From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Fri Dec 12 21:37:21 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:37:21 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailmanctl -s In-Reply-To: <20031212201604.GZ14359@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <20031212195804.GB18817@hq.newdream.net> <20031212201604.GZ14359@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20031212203721.GC18817@hq.newdream.net> On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 03:16:04PM -0500, Todd wrote: > Will Yardley wrote: > > When mailmanctl is run with "-s" (supposedly kills stale locks), > > Mailman spits out the default usage summary, and then "No command > > given.". Same with "--stale-lock-cleanup". This command also fails > > to clean up stale locks as advertised. > AFAIK, you still need to give one of the commands, like stop or > restart along with the -s option. How are you calling mailmanctl? > Forgive me if I'm telling you things you already know. I just ran > mailmanctl -s stop and it indeed killed the qrunners as advertised. I > didn't do anything to try and ensure that there were stale locks, I > just wanted to see if I got the same usage message you did. > > The usage summary could probably be a little more clear that a command > is required. Well the message when Mailman can't start says: The master qrunner lock could not be acquired. It appears as though there is a stale master qrunner lock. Try re-running mailmanctl with the -s flag. In my mind, the logical thing to do would be to run "mailmanctl -s" and then re-attempt starting Mailman. Your suggestion makes sense, but I think it would be nice if this were clearer. What do most folks do so that Mailman will restart when the system is restarted uncleanly? Could having the system's startup script (assuming a FreeBSD style or SysV style startup script) default to "-s" cause any major problems? -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") From khera at kcilink.com Fri Dec 12 21:39:24 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:39:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailmanctl -s In-Reply-To: <20031212203721.GC18817@hq.newdream.net> References: <20031212195804.GB18817@hq.newdream.net> <20031212201604.GZ14359@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031212203721.GC18817@hq.newdream.net> Message-ID: <16346.10108.924927.148208@yertle.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "WY" == Will Yardley writes: WY> What do most folks do so that Mailman will restart when the system is WY> restarted uncleanly? Could having the system's startup script (assuming WY> a FreeBSD style or SysV style startup script) default to "-s" cause any WY> major problems? When the system goes down uncleanly, you *want* manual intervention to ensure things are really ok. Otherwise, why bother even having that check in place? From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Fri Dec 12 21:48:54 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:48:54 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailmanctl -s In-Reply-To: <16346.10108.924927.148208@yertle.int.kciLink.com> References: <20031212195804.GB18817@hq.newdream.net> <20031212201604.GZ14359@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031212203721.GC18817@hq.newdream.net> <16346.10108.924927.148208@yertle.int.kciLink.com> Message-ID: <20031212204854.GD18817@hq.newdream.net> On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 03:39:24PM -0500, Vivek Khera wrote: > Will Yardley writes: > > > What do most folks do so that Mailman will restart when the system is > > restarted uncleanly? Could having the system's startup script (assuming > > a FreeBSD style or SysV style startup script) default to "-s" cause any > > major problems? > When the system goes down uncleanly, you *want* manual intervention to > ensure things are really ok. Otherwise, why bother even having that > check in place? In theory, perhaps. But in reality, what we want is for Mailman to start. If the system has been rebooted, it's not possible for any processes to already be running (before the startup script runs), so it seems fairly unlikely that any stale locks would be significant. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") From khera at kcilink.com Fri Dec 12 21:53:21 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:53:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailmanctl -s In-Reply-To: <20031212204854.GD18817@hq.newdream.net> References: <20031212195804.GB18817@hq.newdream.net> <20031212201604.GZ14359@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031212203721.GC18817@hq.newdream.net> <16346.10108.924927.148208@yertle.int.kciLink.com> <20031212204854.GD18817@hq.newdream.net> Message-ID: <16346.10945.278987.776855@yertle.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "WY" == Will Yardley writes: >> When the system goes down uncleanly, you *want* manual intervention to >> ensure things are really ok. Otherwise, why bother even having that >> check in place? WY> In theory, perhaps. But in reality, what we want is for Mailman to WY> start. WY> If the system has been rebooted, it's not possible for any processes to WY> already be running (before the startup script runs), so it seems fairly WY> unlikely that any stale locks would be significant. And you know for certain that no other files were corrupted and horribly broken? I don't. From ashley at pcraft.com Fri Dec 12 23:35:24 2003 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:35:24 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailmanctl -s References: <20031212195804.GB18817@hq.newdream.net> <20031212201604.GZ14359@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031212203721.GC18817@hq.newdream.net> <16346.10108.924927.148208@yertle.int.kciLink.com> <20031212204854.GD18817@hq.newdream.net> <16346.10945.278987.776855@yertle.int.kciLink.com> Message-ID: <3FDA42AC.7060409@pcraft.com> Vivek Khera wrote: >And you know for certain that no other files were corrupted and >horribly broken? I don't. > Some of us live on the edge, and bank on the file system to repair itself during bootup (mine do.). I have 12 servers running 24/7 and I have yet to worry about any of them getting hosed during a power failure, or any other type of down time. Then again, I also have battery backups that will shut them down if needed, and I maintain nightly backups, so even in the event of a catastrophic failure, I can recover fairly quick. -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From paul at thcwd.com Fri Dec 12 23:46:18 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:46:18 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Excessive or Fatal Bounces In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20031212163930.09132978@mail.thcwd.com> Tim Erickson wrote: > 1) They can't see our messages > hitting their mail relay > > 3) They cannot resolve our domain > mnforum.org > > 4) A friend told me that he is able to > resolve our domain. In find that http://mnforum.org/ is 404. DNS Lookup says no A record (http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/lookup.ch?name=mnforum.org&type=A) On the other hand http://www.mnforum.org/ and http://mapnp.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/ are both working, and have an A record. Fix this by adding the domain without the www to the name server and you should be good. If the sender domain does not resolve the mail server is probably rejecting the mail connection without accepting the mail. I'm surprised you are not being rejected by more servers. <>< Paul From Michael at Jasinski.com Sat Dec 13 01:12:34 2003 From: Michael at Jasinski.com (Michael Jasinski) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:12:34 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Export Function? Message-ID: <000001c3c10d$d0f441b0$0401a8c0@MJX2Michael> Checking to see if anyone has learned how or if available? -----Original Message----- IS there an export function of latest version 2.1.3 ? If so, how can a user (admin) not server owner perform this export. I need this to copy, close and re-open list. Many Thank You's in advance... Michael J From steiny at infopoint.com Sat Dec 13 01:15:33 2003 From: steiny at infopoint.com (Don Steiny) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:15:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stuff getting spooled but not sent Message-ID: <200312130015.hBD0FXLT005007@ray.infopoint.com> Hi, I have a problem and I can't figure out what is going on. I have one list where the messages are getting spooled to sendmail's mqueue but they are not getting sent. When I run sendmail -q they still do not get sent. The only thing I did was install sendmail-8.12.10 from e.12.9, but was supposed to just be a security fix. My other lists work fine. Could there be some character in one of the files that is blowing up sendmail? I am not sure how to debug this. -Don -- Don Steiny - Central Coast Angel Network - www.ccangels.net Institute for Social Network Analysis of the Economy - www.isnae.org 125 Mission St #3 - Santa Cruz, CA 95060 - 831.471.1671 - fax: 831.471.1670 From johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Sat Dec 13 03:20:16 2003 From: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu (Chris Johnson) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:20:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have a problem... In-Reply-To: <1071263904.20699.1.camel@baby.espersunited.com> Message-ID: On 12 Dec 2003, Michael Sullivan wrote: > Here's what it gives: > > [root at bullet root]# ps ax | grep grunner > 16351 pts/0 S 0:00 grep grunner > > > > > You should be seeing 5 or so qrunner jobs which you're not. That's why the mail isn't showing up. One of the jobs moves the mail through the queues. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 149 (2301) 13th Street |God must love stupid people. She keeps making Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA |them in such horrifyingly large numbers. Me -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kacham_ashok at yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 18:26:54 2003 From: kacham_ashok at yahoo.com (kacham ashok) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:26:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem installing tk8.3.2 Message-ID: <20031213172654.44406.qmail@web40002.mail.yahoo.com> Dear friends.. i am a new member of this mailing list... i was unable to install tk8.3.2 on my system(redhat linux 9.0).. while running 'make process i am getting errors like this {standard input}: Assembler messages: {standard input}:661: Error: symbol `dy' is already defined {standard input}:667: Error: symbol `dx' is already defined {standard input}:714: Error: symbol `q' is already defined {standard input}:720: Error: symbol `p' is already defined {standard input}:726: Error: symbol `q' is already defined {standard input}:732: Error: symbol `q' is already defined please suggest me a solution Thanks in advance, __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From michael at mmwis.com Sat Dec 13 21:51:50 2003 From: michael at mmwis.com (= Michael Aivaliotis =) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:51:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can mailman preprocess mails before doing the usualstuff? In-Reply-To: <20031212112136.GA3190@swordfish.capgemini.hu> Message-ID: It doesn't look like anything like this is possible. I asked the same question a while back and got no response. It could be because the question was posted to the wrong list. It looks like this list is more for support and getting up and running and not for feature requests or enhancements. Also, if Mailman had the capabilities you describe then it would actually be a very powerful application. Too powerful to remain open-source and free. Look at what's heppening to MySQL. You add power then you ask for money. So, more features and capabilities mean more resources dedicated to development which requires financial backing. No-one is going to put money into something and not get anything in return... Thank You Michael Aivaliotis > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+michael=mmwis.com at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+michael=mmwis.com at python.org]On Behalf Of > Nagy Gabor > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 6:22 AM > To: Mailman users list > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can mailman preprocess mails before doing the > usualstuff? > > > Hi list! > > I would like to modify the messages I send on my lists. > > I would like to recode the text parts, so that all messages sent out use > the same encoding and character set, before doing anything else. > > Then I would like to strip the html parts from multipart/alternative > messages, so that only text/plain remains. > > Then I would like to put the message in the archive, using something like > mhonarc, so that the attachments are put in separate files. > > Then I would like to change the message sent out to the subscribers, so > that instead of the attachments, they receive the URL where they can > retreive the archived attachments, if they want to. > > Can this be done? What parts are possible, in what mailman versions? > Are there plans to implement such things? > > Regards, > Gabor > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: michael at mmwis.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/michael%40mmwis.com > > > From emechler at techometer.net Sat Dec 13 22:26:40 2003 From: emechler at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:26:40 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem installing tk8.3.2 In-Reply-To: <20031213172654.44406.qmail@web40002.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031213172654.44406.qmail@web40002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031213212640.GQ3281@techometer.net> :: please suggest me a solution Find a better list to post this to. From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Dec 14 03:16:51 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 13 Dec 2003 21:16:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can mailman preprocess mails before doing the usualstuff? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1071368211.3494.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Well, elements of what he's asking for can be trivially done with a small milter. Heck, "sed" could do most of what he desires. If its a real need and folks ask for it (meaning make a lot of noise - or *are* willing to pay for it), then it will be built in. I've written patches myself for mailman that clients paid for - and I've contributed a lot of scripts... which clients paid for. Are you getting the message? Barry would love to see some donations. He does a lot of hard work, and we all benefit from his work. If you don't want to do the work yourself, get it done the old fashion way and pay for it. You might be surprised how much work a few bucks will get you from Open Source programmers. Just my $.02, Jon Carnes On Sat, 2003-12-13 at 15:51, = Michael Aivaliotis = wrote: > It doesn't look like anything like this is possible. I asked the same > question a while back and got no response. It could be because the question > was posted to the wrong list. It looks like this list is more for support > and getting up and running and not for feature requests or enhancements. > > Also, if Mailman had the capabilities you describe then it would actually be > a very powerful application. Too powerful to remain open-source and free. > Look at what's heppening to MySQL. You add power then you ask for money. So, > more features and capabilities mean more resources dedicated to development > which requires financial backing. No-one is going to put money into > something and not get anything in return... > > Thank You > Michael Aivaliotis > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mailman-users-bounces+michael=mmwis.com at python.org > > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+michael=mmwis.com at python.org]On Behalf Of > > Nagy Gabor > > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 6:22 AM > > To: Mailman users list > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can mailman preprocess mails before doing the > > usualstuff? > > > > > > Hi list! > > > > I would like to modify the messages I send on my lists. > > > > I would like to recode the text parts, so that all messages sent out use > > the same encoding and character set, before doing anything else. > > > > Then I would like to strip the html parts from multipart/alternative > > messages, so that only text/plain remains. > > > > Then I would like to put the message in the archive, using something like > > mhonarc, so that the attachments are put in separate files. > > > > Then I would like to change the message sent out to the subscribers, so > > that instead of the attachments, they receive the URL where they can > > retreive the archived attachments, if they want to. > > > > Can this be done? What parts are possible, in what mailman versions? > > Are there plans to implement such things? > > > > Regards, > > Gabor > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: michael at mmwis.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/michael%40mmwis.com > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org Sun Dec 14 04:18:29 2003 From: webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org (Jeff D) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:18:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem installing tk8.3.2 In-Reply-To: <20031213172654.44406.qmail@web40002.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031213172654.44406.qmail@web40002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1576.68.118.232.31.1071371909.squirrel@www.fifedrum.org> kacham ashok said: > > Dear friends.. > i am a new member of this mailing list... > i was unable to install tk8.3.2 on my system(redhat > linux 9.0).. while running 'make process i am getting > errors like this > What does TK have to do with Mailman? Or did you post to the wrong list by accident? From johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Sun Dec 14 14:53:32 2003 From: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu (Chris Johnson) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 08:53:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have a problem... In-Reply-To: <1071282817.4169.2.camel@baby.espersunited.com> Message-ID: On 12 Dec 2003, Michael Sullivan wrote: > How do I fix it? Does the fact that I'm running Red Hat 9 have anything > to do with this problem? > > Depends on the system. I'm told the version released for RH9, mailman-2.1-8, is broken. Try using the tarball 2.1.3. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 149 (2301) 13th Street |I'm continually amazed by mankind's seemingly Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA |infinite capacity for stupidity. Me ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From darwin at desktopengineer.com Sun Dec 14 15:28:31 2003 From: darwin at desktopengineer.com (darwin at desktopengineer.com) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:28:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces coming back to sender address Message-ID: <006001c3c24e$8f89db80$0b02a8c0@PHASE5> I used mailman (for the first time) to send to an annoucement list of 8000. I received a bunch of bounces back to the sending address rather than the list-owner@ domain.com address. I want to make sure all the bounces go back to list-owner@ domain.com for bounce processing and so that I do not have to see them. I would guess that to accomplish this I must make sure the outgoing email address on the message is list-owner at domain.com but I wanted to find out for sure before doing any wasted experimentation. D. From chuqui at plaidworks.com Sun Dec 14 19:33:07 2003 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:33:07 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces coming back to sender address In-Reply-To: <006001c3c24e$8f89db80$0b02a8c0@PHASE5> References: <006001c3c24e$8f89db80$0b02a8c0@PHASE5> Message-ID: On Dec 14, 2003, at 6:28 AM, wrote: > I want to make sure all the bounces go back to list-owner@ > domain.com for bounce processing and so > that > I do not have to see them. > Basically, you can't, because there are some sites that simply refuse to follow standards and accepted email standards, and you can't force them to. You can try, but then you end up screwing over other key things mailman is trying to do and it simply moves the problem around. From randy at psg.com Sun Dec 14 19:49:05 2003 From: randy at psg.com (Randy Bush) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:49:05 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces coming back to sender address References: <006001c3c24e$8f89db80$0b02a8c0@PHASE5> Message-ID: > I want to make sure all the bounces go back to list-owner@ > domain.com for bounce > processing and so that I do not have to see them. so do we all. all you need to do is fix the broken email implementations at the *receiving* end, which is where the bounces originated. i.e., you're sol randy From friar_josh at tcbug.org Sun Dec 14 13:54:56 2003 From: friar_josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:54:56 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejecting non-member mail to a list Message-ID: <20031214125455.GC10397@ns1.tcbug.org> I know I've set this up before, and I know it's just some sort of pointy clicky thing in the web administration menu, but I can't find it. How do I set up mailman so it drops all mail to the list sent by non-members instead of holding it for moderator approval? Thanks Josh Paetzel friar_josh at tcbug.org From emechler at techometer.net Sun Dec 14 20:06:33 2003 From: emechler at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:06:33 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejecting non-member mail to a list In-Reply-To: <20031214125455.GC10397@ns1.tcbug.org> References: <20031214125455.GC10397@ns1.tcbug.org> Message-ID: <20031214190633.GS3281@techometer.net> :: How do I set up mailman so it drops all mail to the list sent by :: non-members instead of holding it for moderator approval? It's under Privacy options --> Sender filters ... near the bottom. Cheers - Erick From murphy at thepanemgroup.com Mon Dec 15 00:07:36 2003 From: murphy at thepanemgroup.com (Thomas Murphy) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 00:07:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation Problem Message-ID: <3FDCED38.2060503@thepanemgroup.com> Hello everyone, i spend the last 2 two days on getting mailman installed on a suse 8.1 server (postfix + confixx) and i'm stuck, i really tried it on my own, but now i would really appreciate a helping hand. current situation: web-interface works fine, but when i try to subscribe, i get no mail. i set all the neccessary options in httpd.conf. ------------------- mm_cfg.py: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'netmilk.de' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'netmilk.de' DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/' MTA = 'Postfix' POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS=['netmilk.de'] ------------------- one thing i was wondering about: i tried the mailman package that comes with suse, but it is an older version and also didn't work, so i tried to configure it from scratch. when i restart apache i still get Starting httpd [ Mailman PERL PHP4 Python SSL ZopeKeepHomes ] even if i totally comment out every line of my mailman config-lines in httpd.conf !!? i'm stuck. bye, Murphy From murphy at thepanemgroup.com Mon Dec 15 02:38:23 2003 From: murphy at thepanemgroup.com (Thomas Murphy) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:38:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FDD108F.3010304@thepanemgroup.com> Hello, b udhi19 wrote: > a.check if u have run mailmanctl, if u have not then run it > it ussualy at /mailman/bin/ yes i started it with "mailmanctl start" - and i've also taken care to make a "mailmanctl restart" whenever i changed the configuration. but i think i just stumbled accross the problem, it was a list with moderator confirmation and all the mail went to a catchall account i didn't check. Now i'm still having problems with the aliases, but i'm working on it. There still is something wrong with postfix, but perhaps it's a postfix configuration issue, not mailman one. but thanks for your help. :) bye, Murphy From simon at caperet.com Mon Dec 15 09:17:51 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:17:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can mailman preprocess mails before doing the usualstuff? In-Reply-To: References: <20031212112136.GA3190@swordfish.capgemini.hu> Message-ID: <20031215081751.GA6285@mediadev.com> 13-Dec-03 at 15:51, = Michael Aivaliotis = (michael at mmwis.com) wrote : > Also, if Mailman had the capabilities you describe then it would > actually be a very powerful application. Too powerful to remain > open-source and free. Look at what's heppening to MySQL. You add > power then you ask for money. So, more features and capabilities mean > more resources dedicated to development which requires financial > backing. No-one is going to put money into something and not get > anything in return... I don't think that is how the open source model actually works. The Linux kernel, the GNU compiler and C/C++ library set, a number of very useful MTAs, graphical applications, heck all the building blocks of the Internet are powerful and have Open Source equivalents that are mostly more powerful than commercial alternatives. MySQL is _still_ available for free. You pay for support, and the fact is that this support is needed when you're running a massive database and certainly if you don't really know what you're doing when you've got to tune for massive query hogging apps. Proper DB admin is hardcore, when you've got lots of concurrency, bottlenecks all over the place, and massive data sets. Do not confuse free (as in speech) and free (as in beer). GNU and Open Source tend to be the former, not the latter. Nobody says you can't have applications for free if you know what you're doing. But then asking for help and expecting it for free too... that's like walking into a bar and asking someone you don't know to buy you a drink. If, however, you provide something to people in the bar (to cut an analogy) like playing a bit on an old piano in the corner and cheering everyone up, you might find drinks do indeed get bought for you. But if you ain't a pianist, sometimes you got to get your wallet out. Cheers, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From jp.barroso at boacor.com Mon Dec 15 11:11:05 2003 From: jp.barroso at boacor.com (Juan Pablo Barroso) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:11:05 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML Content-type header mail with Outlook Message-ID: <001601c3c2f3$c077e430$0c00a8c0@juanpa> Hi!, I've a BIG problem with mailman, I've been looking in the archives and all over the internet but I've not found the solution perhaps you can help me... The question is, I've to send true html mails with mailman (if this is or not correct/moral/good, that's no the question). So, please, how can I put in the header of the message: "Content-type: text/html" instead of "Multipart/Alternative"? If I've to change some code, no problem, but where? This is very important for me, before I used majordomo and no problem, but now with mailman I can't send any html messages, I don't want send html headers/footer, just entire html messages. Thanks, jpa. From michael at espersunited.com Sun Dec 14 18:40:06 2003 From: michael at espersunited.com (Michael Sullivan) Date: 14 Dec 2003 11:40:06 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have a problem... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1071423600.2730.35.camel@baby.espersunited.com> I downloaded the tarball for mailman-2.1.3 and attempted to install it. It gave me errors that I don't know what to do about. I have pasted the errors below. I've also posted the complete screen output of make install at http://www.espersunited.com/needhelp/mailman/make_install.log and the configure at http://www.espersunited.com/needhelp/mailman/configure.log . Can anyone help me get this to work? make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/messages' /usr/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o cs/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo /usr/local/mailman-2.1.3/messages/cs/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'cs/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo' /usr/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o da/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo /usr/local/mailman-2.1.3/messages/da/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'da/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo' /usr/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o de/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo /usr/local/mailman-2.1.3/messages/de/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'de/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo' /usr/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o es/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo /usr/local/mailman-2.1.3/messages/es/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'es/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo' /usr/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o et/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo /usr/local/mailman-2.1.3/messages/et/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'et/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo' /usr/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o eu/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo /usr/local/mailman-2.1.3/messages/eu/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'eu/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo' /usr/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o fi/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo /usr/local/mailman-2.1.3/messages/fi/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'fi/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo' /usr/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o fr/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo /usr/local/mailman-2.1.3/messages/fr/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'fr/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo' /usr/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o hu/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo /usr/local/mailman-2.1.3/messages/hu/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'hu/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo' /usr/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o it/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo /usr/local/mailman-2.1.3/messages/it/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'it/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo' /usr/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o ja/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo /usr/local/mailman-2.1.3/messages/ja/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ja/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo' /usr/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o ko/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo /usr/local/mailman-2.1.3/messages/ko/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ko/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo' /usr/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o lt/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo /usr/local/mailman-2.1.3/messages/lt/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'lt/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo' /usr/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o nl/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo /usr/local/mailman-2.1.3/messages/nl/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'nl/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo' /usr/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o no/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo /usr/local/mailman-2.1.3/messages/no/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'no/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo' /usr/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o pl/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo /usr/local/mailman-2.1.3/messages/pl/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'pl/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo' /usr/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o pt/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo /usr/local/mailman-2.1.3/messages/pt/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'pt/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo' /usr/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo /usr/local/mailman-2.1.3/messages/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo' /usr/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o ru/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo /usr/local/mailman-2.1.3/messages/ru/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ru/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo' /usr/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o sr/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo /usr/local/mailman-2.1.3/messages/sr/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sr/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo' /usr/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o sv/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo /usr/local/mailman-2.1.3/messages/sv/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sv/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo' /usr/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o uk/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo /usr/local/mailman-2.1.3/messages/uk/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'uk/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo' Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/update", line 45, in ? import paths File "bin/paths.py", line 59, in ? import korean ImportError: No module named korean make: *** [update] Error 1 On Sun, 2003-12-14 at 07:53, Chris Johnson wrote: > On 12 Dec 2003, Michael Sullivan wrote: > > > How do I fix it? Does the fact that I'm running Red Hat 9 have anything > > to do with this problem? > > > > > > Depends on the system. I'm told the version released for RH9, > mailman-2.1-8, is broken. Try using the tarball 2.1.3. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson > NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 > Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 > 149 (2301) 13th Street |I'm continually amazed by mankind's seemingly > Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA |infinite capacity for stupidity. Me > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From donovan at beth.k12.pa.us Mon Dec 15 20:31:36 2003 From: donovan at beth.k12.pa.us (donovan) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:31:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug creating list from web interface Message-ID: <4C1361B8-2F35-11D8-83B2-0003930B42FC@beth.k12.pa.us> can anyone give me some insight on this? Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main process_request(doc, cgidata) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in process_request sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create _update_maps() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in _update_maps raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /private/var/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) thanks for your input --jeff From dhphllps at memphis.edu Mon Dec 15 20:34:23 2003 From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:34:23 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug creating list from web interface In-Reply-To: <4C1361B8-2F35-11D8-83B2-0003930B42FC@beth.k12.pa.us> References: <4C1361B8-2F35-11D8-83B2-0003930B42FC@beth.k12.pa.us> Message-ID: On Dec 15, 2003, at 1:31 PM, donovan wrote: > can anyone give me some insight on this? > RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias > /private/var/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.009.htp DP From afreyvogel at ecmarket.com Mon Dec 15 20:54:06 2003 From: afreyvogel at ecmarket.com (Andreas Freyvogel) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:54:06 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot access list admin page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello everyone, I am currently running into a very strange problem accessing the admin page of one of my mailman lists. I have 17 lists in total and all the other 16 can be accessed via the web interface with no problems. I have noticed two strange things in the logs: 1> There seems to be no process associated to the GET command in the access log: ==> /var/log/httpd/access_log <== 10.0.7.10 - - [15/Dec/2003:11:39:07 -0800] "GET /mailman/admin/sales HTTP/1.0" 200 - 2> My error log is containing the following: ==> /var/log/httpd/error_log <== [Mon Dec 15 11:39:07 2003] [info] [client 10.0.7.10] read script header timed out Again, since this is only happening to one of my lists I do not think there is anything wrong with the configuration. In fact, last week there was no problem at all. Any help or advise would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, -Andreas From hugo at communautique.qc.ca Mon Dec 15 21:18:22 2003 From: hugo at communautique.qc.ca (toto la binne) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:18:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems installing Message-ID: <200312151518.22766.hugo@communautique.qc.ca> Hi, I have a problems with mailman install with postfix. I did as the instruction saided for the installation and everything went OK (no errors) and now a was ready to give it a tried, but it did nothing in my webserver ( cant find URL for admin of mailman). mailman does not seem to be running as a service ( did ps -aux | grep mailman and nothing was their). IF you can help I'm using ? mandrake 9 , apache 1.3.26 , postfix 1.1.13 PS. soory for my english(im french) hope everything is clear From webmaster at occra.com Sun Dec 14 22:02:44 2003 From: webmaster at occra.com (webmaster at occra.com) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:02:44 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up an email list Message-ID: <000801c3c285$9f2a1500$6501a8c0@primary> I have three email lists in outlook express that I use to support www.occra.com (hosted by Hostway.com) . I couldn't find any help files or documentation to set up a simple email list. 1. Is there an easy way to transfer the users in the outlook express email lists to mailman? 2. It seems from the description of enhancements, that the user has to add themselves to the list. 3. Could you please provide or point me to the documentation? I'm not familiar with this so I will need your help. Thanks Dave DiCarlo From stevewedig at hotmail.com Mon Dec 15 07:42:36 2003 From: stevewedig at hotmail.com (Steve Wedig) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:42:36 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administration Through Email Message-ID: Hello, I'm currently setting up a website to run on Apache, using PHP and MySQL. This site is for a division of UCLA's med department. The school can host mailman lists for us. We would like to run a couple of mailing lists through the site. I was wondering if we could add/remove users simply by sending a formatted email to the list. If this doesn't work, what is the best method to manage a mailman list with PHP? Thanks! Steve Wedig _________________________________________________________________ Get holiday tips for festive fun. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx From l.michalski at ant.gliwice.pl Mon Dec 15 14:21:05 2003 From: l.michalski at ant.gliwice.pl (=?iso-8859-2?q?=A3ukasz=20Michalski?=) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:21:05 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] broken mails from "Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59)" Message-ID: <200312151421.05810.l.michalski@ant.gliwice.pl> Hi, I have problem running list and I am searching for workaround. I run list when messages are mainly exchanged in iso-8859-2 encoding. Some people subscribed on list are using MS Exchange/Outlook. I recognize it by header: X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59). All of them send messages encoded using Quoted-Printable, I see that MailMan is always autoconverting it to 8bit before reposting. The result is, that all mails from them gets totally messed with quoted-printable characters. Depending on Exchange configuration (I guess) some of them broke only quted text in replies, and some of them see all message as garbage. Is there any solution or workaround for this? Is there any way to turn off MailMan autoconvert feature ? I can't, of course, reconfigure MS Exchange servers to send mails in 8bit. There is no way to do it using Outlook. I don't use archival options and digests so I can live with mails encoded using QP, 8bit and base64 in archive altogether. Regards and thanks for help, ?ukasz From gagel at cnc.bc.ca Mon Dec 15 22:50:10 2003 From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (gagel at cnc.bc.ca) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:50:10 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administration Through Email Message-ID: <3fde2c92.370.688.18968@cnc.bc.ca> Yes you can. Once you have it setup then send a message to the listname with a -request at yourdomain.etc with a message that says help. It will send you instructions. ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Hello, > > I'm currently setting up a website to run on Apache, using PHP and > MySQL. This site is for a division of UCLA's med department. The > school can host mailman lists for us. > > We would like to run a couple of mailing lists through the site. I > was wondering if we could add/remove users simply by sending a > formatted email to the list. > > If this doesn't work, what is the best method to manage a mailman > list with PHP? > > Thanks! > Steve Wedig > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get holiday tips for festive fun. > http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: gagel at cnc.bc.ca > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/gagel%40cnc.bc.ca ==================== Kevin W. Gagel Network Administrator (250) 561-5848 local 448 (250) 562-2131 local 448 -------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. -------------------------------------------------------------- From gagel at cnc.bc.ca Mon Dec 15 23:03:19 2003 From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (gagel at cnc.bc.ca) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:03:19 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up an email list Message-ID: <3fde2fa7.104.b6c.21545@cnc.bc.ca> Assuming a list name of occra you can send a "command" to the list by sending to occra-request at domain.etc where domain.etc is the domain of your list. For the message just use help It will tell you what to do. ----- Original Message Follows ----- > I have three email lists in outlook express that I use to support > www.occra.com (hosted by Hostway.com) . > > I couldn't find any help files or documentation to set up a simple > email list. > > 1. Is there an easy way to transfer the users in the outlook > express email lists to mailman? > > 2. It seems from the description of enhancements, that the user has > to add themselves to the list. > > > 3. Could you please provide or point me to the documentation? > > I'm not familiar with this so I will need your help. > > Thanks > Dave DiCarlo > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: gagel at cnc.bc.ca > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/gagel%40cnc.bc.ca ==================== Kevin W. Gagel Network Administrator (250) 561-5848 local 448 (250) 562-2131 local 448 -------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. -------------------------------------------------------------- From bart at decrem.com Tue Dec 16 01:31:22 2003 From: bart at decrem.com (Bart Decrem) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:31:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unable to access private archives Message-ID: <3FDE525A.8030607@decrem.com> Hi everyone, I am migrating from RH to Debian. As part of the migration, I used apt-get to install Mailman and ended up with a version that's a bit older: 2.0.11. When I set up a list with a public archive, all is well. But when I create a list with a private archive, I'm unable to view the archive. When I'm asked to enter authentication (http://www.decrem.com/cgi-bin/mailman/private/planning/) and enter my user id and password, I'm sent on to the archive index page (http://www.decrem.com/cgi-bin/mailman/private/planning/). But then when I try to view archived mail, I'm sent back to the authentication page. I've tried using two different browsers, just in case this is a problem with a cookie, but no luck. Suggestions? Bart From somik at industriallogic.com Tue Dec 16 03:47:05 2003 From: somik at industriallogic.com (Somik Raha) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:47:05 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not receiving mail Message-ID: <015001c3c37e$e4298dd0$0300a8c0@LOU> Hi, I have a system running sendmail and Mailman. I followed all the installation instructions faithfully, and yet, mails sent to a list do not get delivered to recipients. I ensured that the list entry exists in /etc/aliases, issued newaliases, but to no effect. Here's what /var/log/maillog says when a mail is sent to the list "internal": Dec 15 15:33:00 mail imapd[22081]: Command stream end of file, while reading line user=somik host=c-24-7-97-213.client.comcast.net [24.7.97.213] Dec 15 15:33:05 mail sendmail[22082]: hBFKX5wP022082: from=, size=1392, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<014c01c3c37e$98fcdd30$0300a8c0 at LOU>, proto=SMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115] Dec 15 15:33:05 mail sendmail[22085]: hBFKX5wP022082: to=, ctladdr= (502/501), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, pri=31619, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent I've been unable to figure this out - any pointers will be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Regards, Somik From simon at caperet.com Tue Dec 16 09:12:02 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:12:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not receiving mail In-Reply-To: <015001c3c37e$e4298dd0$0300a8c0@LOU> References: <015001c3c37e$e4298dd0$0300a8c0@LOU> Message-ID: <20031216081202.GA22455@mediadev.com> 15-Dec-03 at 18:47, Somik Raha (somik at industriallogic.com) wrote : > Here's what /var/log/maillog says when a mail is sent to the list > "internal": > > Dec 15 15:33:00 mail imapd[22081]: Command stream end of file, while reading line user=somik host=c-24-7-97-213.client.comcast.net [24.7.97.213] > Dec 15 15:33:05 mail sendmail[22082]: hBFKX5wP022082: from=, size=1392, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<014c01c3c37e$98fcdd30$0300a8c0 at LOU>, proto=SMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115] > Dec 15 15:33:05 mail sendmail[22085]: hBFKX5wP022082: to=, ctladdr= (502/501), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, pri=31619, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent >From this log entry, it looks to me as if the account 'internal' on the local machine is indeed receiving the email. The aliases are not being included. Did you copy them to /etc/aliases before you did newaliases? Have you checked to see if the message turns up in /var/spool/mail/internal ? -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From simon at caperet.com Tue Dec 16 09:15:32 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:15:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] broken mails from "Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59)" In-Reply-To: <200312151421.05810.l.michalski@ant.gliwice.pl> References: <200312151421.05810.l.michalski@ant.gliwice.pl> Message-ID: <20031216081532.GB22455@mediadev.com> 15-Dec-03 at 14:21, ?ukasz Michalski (l.michalski at ant.gliwice.pl) wrote : > All of them send messages encoded using Quoted-Printable, I see that > MailMan is always autoconverting it to 8bit before reposting. > > The result is, that all mails from them gets totally messed with > quoted-printable characters. Depending on Exchange configuration (I > guess) some of them broke only quted text in replies, and some of them > see all message as garbage. > I can't, of course, reconfigure MS Exchange servers to send mails in > 8bit. There is no way to do it using Outlook. Yes there IS a way to do it with Outlook. Or Outlook Express. You can set Plain Text settings for the outgoing email (Tools, Options, Send format) and make sure that it is not encoded at all, or use Base64 or QP as you wish, you can specify the character encoding (ISO-8859-2 or whatever) and MIME options. I wouldn't use Outlook if you paid me, but if you have to use it because of corporate policy or masochistic tendancies, then you can tame it a little bit to behave in an almost civil fashion. Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From gour at mail.inet.hr Tue Dec 16 09:40:01 2003 From: gour at mail.inet.hr (Gour) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:40:01 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem Message-ID: <20031216084001.GA9048@mail.inet.hr> Hi! I transferred several mailing lists from oldserver (V2.0.x) to the new server with Mailman 2.1.x. The problem is that I used fix_url script to transfer few lists from old www.virtualdomain.com virtual domain to the new lists.domain.com, but although new messages have correct List-* headers, I cannot change List-Archive header, i.e. it still points to old archive www.virtualdomain.com/pipermail/listname instead of lists.domain.com/pipermail/listname. I have also tried to re-create archives with arch --wipe, but still the same problem. What am I missing and how it is possible to change List-Archive to the new domain or why the list link in "Go to list archives" still points to old archives"? (the old link is still existing since some lists are under old virtual domain, but I'd like that lists under lists.domain.com have archives under lists.domain.com/pipermail and not www.virtualdomain.com/pipermail.) Sincerely, Gour -- Gour gour at mail.inet.hr Registered Linux User #278493 From jp.barroso at boacor.com Tue Dec 16 11:24:29 2003 From: jp.barroso at boacor.com (Juan Pablo Barroso) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:24:29 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome messages - subject & html Message-ID: <004e01c3c3be$c9f9f4f0$0c00a8c0@juanpa> Hi, where is the subject in welcome messages?. I've personalized welcome messages for each list(creating a LANG directory into every LIST directory and having there my personal templates). But I can't find where is the subject for welcome messages, could anyone help me? And another more complicated question.... hehe, there is any possibility to send html welcome messages? can I modify the content-type header "text/html" instead "plain/text"? I've been lookin gin the archives but nothing... if I've to change some code there's no problem but where? Thanks, jpa. From simon at caperet.com Tue Dec 16 11:26:16 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:26:16 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem In-Reply-To: <20031216084001.GA9048@mail.inet.hr> References: <20031216084001.GA9048@mail.inet.hr> Message-ID: <20031216102616.GI22455@mediadev.com> 16-Dec-03 at 09:40, Gour (gour at mail.inet.hr) wrote : > The problem is that I used fix_url script to transfer few lists from old > www.virtualdomain.com virtual domain to the new lists.domain.com, but although > new messages have correct List-* headers, I cannot change List-Archive header, > i.e. it still points to old archive www.virtualdomain.com/pipermail/listname > instead of lists.domain.com/pipermail/listname. > > I have also tried to re-create archives with arch --wipe, but still the same > problem. > > What am I missing and how it is possible to change List-Archive to the new > domain or why the list link in "Go to list archives" still points to old > archives"? The archives are stored as full messages including headers; these headers will not change if you change the parameters because they are stored as the were before. You can use the mbox style archive store to change the headers, by using sed on the mbox and then regenerating archives. -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From gour at mail.inet.hr Tue Dec 16 10:35:39 2003 From: gour at mail.inet.hr (Gour) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:35:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem In-Reply-To: <20031216102616.GI22455@mediadev.com> References: <20031216084001.GA9048@mail.inet.hr> <20031216102616.GI22455@mediadev.com> Message-ID: <20031216093539.GA11702@mail.inet.hr> Simon White (simon at caperet.com) wrote: > The archives are stored as full messages including headers; these > headers will not change if you change the parameters because they are > stored as the were before. > > You can use the mbox style archive store to change the headers, by using > sed on the mbox and then regenerating archives. OK. I was also thinking about that, but what about a link for the archives? If the listinfo is on http://lists.domain.com/mailman/listinfo/listname and admin on http://lists.domain.com/mailman/admin/listname why is the lists' archive on http://www.virtualdomain.com/mailman/pipermail/.. ? Sincerely, Gour -- Gour gour at mail.inet.hr Registered Linux User #278493 From murphy at thepanemgroup.com Tue Dec 16 11:37:46 2003 From: murphy at thepanemgroup.com (Thomas Murphy) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:37:46 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix not sending mail Message-ID: <3FDEE07A.4090501@thepanemgroup.com> Hello, i still have some problems getting mailman to run. I added the aliases to the postfix main.cf but mail isn't delivered to the subscribers - it's mailed to the catch-all address, which would probably mean that the aliases are not recognized properly. Is there a way to show the actual postfix aliases on the command line? I know that this is not really a mailman topic, but may be someone here can help? thanx, Murphy From beckert+mailman-users at ecos.de Tue Dec 16 11:45:57 2003 From: beckert+mailman-users at ecos.de (Axel Beckert) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:45:57 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome messages - subject & html In-Reply-To: <004e01c3c3be$c9f9f4f0$0c00a8c0@juanpa> References: <004e01c3c3be$c9f9f4f0$0c00a8c0@juanpa> Message-ID: <20031216104557.GB1517@ecos.de> Hi! Am Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 11:24:29AM +0100, Juan Pablo Barroso schrieb: > Hi, where is the subject in welcome messages? In the localization catalogs. Have a look at $MAILMAN_HOME/messages//LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po After modifiying that, run "msgfmt -o mailman.mo mailman.po" in the directory, where the modified mailman.po file resides in. > I've personalized welcome messages for each list(creating a LANG > directory into every LIST directory and having there my personal > templates). But I can't find where is the subject for welcome > messages, could anyone help me? Don't if you also can adjust the locale messages on a per list base. Would be fine to know for me, too. Kind regards, Axel Beckert -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Axel Beckert ecos electronic communication services gmbh it security solutions * dynamic web applications * consulting Mail: Tulpenstrasse 5 D-55276 Dienheim near Mainz E-Mail: beckert at ecos.de Voice: +49 6133 939-220 WWW: http://www.ecos.de/ Fax: +49 6133 939-333 ------------------------------------------------------------- From simon at caperet.com Tue Dec 16 11:49:05 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:49:05 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix not sending mail In-Reply-To: <3FDEE07A.4090501@thepanemgroup.com> References: <3FDEE07A.4090501@thepanemgroup.com> Message-ID: <20031216104905.GK22455@mediadev.com> 16-Dec-03 at 11:37, Thomas Murphy (murphy at thepanemgroup.com) wrote : > i still have some problems getting mailman to run. > I added the aliases to the postfix main.cf but mail isn't delivered to > the subscribers - it's mailed to the catch-all address, which would > probably mean that the aliases are not recognized properly. General aliases go in /etc/postfix/aliases, not in main.cf then you run # newaliases Or, you can set up Mailman to do all that automatically for you, even better, using $prefix/data/aliases I think reading a bit more carefully in the docs would be a good idea, specifically those which speak about Postfix/Mailman integration. -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From jp.barroso at boacor.com Tue Dec 16 11:59:01 2003 From: jp.barroso at boacor.com (Juan Pablo Barroso) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:59:01 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribers list archive References: <004e01c3c3be$c9f9f4f0$0c00a8c0@juanpa> <20031216104557.GB1517@ecos.de> Message-ID: <006201c3c3c3$9cd1cca0$0c00a8c0@juanpa> Hi! could anyone tell me where is the archive with the mails of the subscribers of the lists? which is the complete path? I know the commands, bin/add_user, etc., but I need know where is exactly the text archive with the e-mails!!! lot of thanks, jpa. From simon at caperet.com Tue Dec 16 12:09:14 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:09:14 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribers list archive In-Reply-To: <006201c3c3c3$9cd1cca0$0c00a8c0@juanpa> References: <004e01c3c3be$c9f9f4f0$0c00a8c0@juanpa> <20031216104557.GB1517@ecos.de> <006201c3c3c3$9cd1cca0$0c00a8c0@juanpa> Message-ID: <20031216110914.GP22455@mediadev.com> 16-Dec-03 at 11:59, Juan Pablo Barroso (jp.barroso at boacor.com) wrote : > Hi! > could anyone tell me where is the archive with the mails of the subscribers > of the lists? > which is the complete path? > > I know the commands, bin/add_user, etc., but I need know where is exactly > the text archive with the e-mails!!! That would be: $prefix/archives/public $prefix/archives/private :) not too hard really -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From simon at caperet.com Tue Dec 16 12:29:02 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:29:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix not sending mail In-Reply-To: <3FDEE97B.60104@thepanemgroup.com> References: <3FDEE07A.4090501@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216104905.GK22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEE97B.60104@thepanemgroup.com> Message-ID: <20031216112902.GR22455@mediadev.com> Please respond to the list. Answers below... 16-Dec-03 at 12:16, Thomas Murphy (murphy at thepanemgroup.com) wrote : > Simon White wrote: > >16-Dec-03 at 11:37, Thomas Murphy (murphy at thepanemgroup.com) wrote : > > > >>i still have some problems getting mailman to run. > >>I added the aliases to the postfix main.cf but mail isn't delivered to > >>the subscribers - it's mailed to the catch-all address, which would > >>probably mean that the aliases are not recognized properly. > > > >General aliases go in /etc/postfix/aliases, not in main.cf > > i configured main.cf to read the aliases hash form /usr/local/mailman/data > > i now copied the data/aliases directly to /etc/aliases and run > #newaliases but the mail still is forwarded to the catch-all account. Is a file aliases.db generated? If the mail is delivered to the catch-all account, then the aliases are not being read for sure; the "newaliases" command will not help you if main.cf doesn't point to the right place... in main.cf do you have: alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From murphy at thepanemgroup.com Tue Dec 16 12:29:52 2003 From: murphy at thepanemgroup.com (Thomas Murphy) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:29:52 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix not sending mail In-Reply-To: <20031216112902.GR22455@mediadev.com> References: <3FDEE07A.4090501@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216104905.GK22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEE97B.60104@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216112902.GR22455@mediadev.com> Message-ID: <3FDEECB0.5010508@thepanemgroup.com> Simon White wrote: > Is a file aliases.db generated? If the mail is delivered to the > catch-all account, then the aliases are not being read for sure; > the "newaliases" command will not help you if main.cf doesn't point to > the right place... > > in main.cf do you have: > alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases Yes, aliases.db is generated, and readable (chmod 777 - to be sure) and i put alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (i think they have to be comma-seperated?) bye, Murphy From jp.barroso at boacor.com Tue Dec 16 12:19:45 2003 From: jp.barroso at boacor.com (Juan Pablo Barroso) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:19:45 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribers list archive References: <004e01c3c3be$c9f9f4f0$0c00a8c0@juanpa><20031216104557.GB1517@ecos.de><006201c3c3c3$9cd1cca0$0c00a8c0@juanpa> <20031216110914.GP22455@mediadev.com> Message-ID: <007e01c3c3c6$8289b670$0c00a8c0@juanpa> > Hi! > could anyone tell me where is the archive with the mails of the subscribers > of the lists? > which is the complete path? > > I know the commands, bin/add_user, etc., but I need know where is exactly > the text archive with the e-mails!!! >That would be: >$prefix/archives/public >$prefix/archives/private >:) not too hard really sorry.... a mistake with the language, I don't need the archive with e-mails, I need the "file", (text file I suppose), with the "e-mail addresses" the people is susbribed. When you subscribe, I suppose your mail address is saved in a file... where is that file? thanks again From simon at caperet.com Tue Dec 16 12:44:22 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:44:22 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix not sending mail In-Reply-To: <3FDEECB0.5010508@thepanemgroup.com> References: <3FDEE07A.4090501@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216104905.GK22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEE97B.60104@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216112902.GR22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEECB0.5010508@thepanemgroup.com> Message-ID: <20031216114422.GS22455@mediadev.com> 16-Dec-03 at 12:29, Thomas Murphy (murphy at thepanemgroup.com) wrote : > Simon White wrote: > >Is a file aliases.db generated? If the mail is delivered to the > >catch-all account, then the aliases are not being read for sure; > >the "newaliases" command will not help you if main.cf doesn't point to > >the right place... > > > >in main.cf do you have: > >alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases > > Yes, aliases.db is generated, and readable (chmod 777 - to be sure) Setting permissions like that is rarely a good idea. 777 means readable, writable, and executable. You only need something like 644 for aliases, because you run newaliases as root anyway. 777 may, in some cases, cause programs NOT to work due to security checks (file permissions wrong)... > and i put > > alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases > > (i think they have to be comma-seperated?) Yes you're right you might need a comma there. Now, if the aliases are correct, and you have run newaliases, and mail is still going to the catchall, then you'll have to show an extract of your aliases file, the email address you are sending to, and the delivery success in the mail log for any further troubleshooting. Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From simon at caperet.com Tue Dec 16 12:46:30 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:46:30 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribers list archive In-Reply-To: <007e01c3c3c6$8289b670$0c00a8c0@juanpa> References: <20031216110914.GP22455@mediadev.com> <007e01c3c3c6$8289b670$0c00a8c0@juanpa> Message-ID: <20031216114630.GT22455@mediadev.com> 16-Dec-03 at 12:19, Juan Pablo Barroso (jp.barroso at boacor.com) wrote : > sorry.... a mistake with the language, I don't need the archive with > e-mails, I need the "file", (text file I suppose), with the "e-mail > addresses" the people is susbribed. > When you subscribe, I suppose your mail address is saved in a file... where > is that file? $prefix/lists/list-name/config.pck or something like that (the filename has changed depending on which mailman version you have. However it's a binary file to get a list of members better to use 'list_members'. -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From murphy at thepanemgroup.com Tue Dec 16 12:49:54 2003 From: murphy at thepanemgroup.com (Thomas Murphy) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:49:54 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix not sending mail In-Reply-To: <20031216114422.GS22455@mediadev.com> References: <3FDEE07A.4090501@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216104905.GK22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEE97B.60104@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216112902.GR22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEECB0.5010508@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216114422.GS22455@mediadev.com> Message-ID: <3FDEF162.1070409@thepanemgroup.com> Simon White wrote: > Setting permissions like that is rarely a good idea. 777 means readable, > writable, and executable. You only need something like 644 for aliases, > because you run newaliases as root anyway. 777 may, in some cases, cause > programs NOT to work due to security checks (file permissions wrong)... hmm jep, im meant 666 not 777 ... > Now, if the aliases are correct, and you have run newaliases, and mail > is still going to the catchall, then you'll have to show an extract of > your aliases file, the email address you are sending to, and the > delivery success in the mail log for any further troubleshooting. the email address i am sending is the mailing list: netmilk-general at netmilk.de and i'm sending from: murphy at thepanemgroup.com /usr/local/mailman/aliases: --------------------------- # The ultimate loop stopper address mailman-loop: /usr/local/mailman/data/owner-bounces.mbox # STANZA START: netmilk-general # CREATED: Tue Dec 16 12:47:53 2003 netmilk-general: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post netmilk-general" netmilk-general-admin: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin netmilk-general" netmilk-general-bounces: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces netmilk-general" netmilk-general-confirm: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm netmilk-general" netmilk-general-join: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join netmilk-general" netmilk-general-leave: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave netmilk-general" netmilk-general-owner: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner netmilk-general" netmilk-general-request: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request netmilk-general" netmilk-general-subscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe netmilk-general" netmilk-general-unsubscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe netmilk-general" # STANZA END: netmilk-general ---------------------------- /var/log/mail: ---------------------------- Dec 16 12:48:56 p15135765 postfix/smtpd[1531]: connect from smtprelay01.ispgateway.de[62.67.200.156] Dec 16 12:48:56 p15135765 postfix/smtpd[1531]: 9AD3234C187: client=smtprelay01.ispgateway.de[62.67.200.156] Dec 16 12:48:56 p15135765 postfix/cleanup[1532]: 9AD3234C187: message-id=<3FDEEF91.3080605 at thepanemgroup.com> Dec 16 12:48:56 p15135765 postfix/qmgr[1240]: 9AD3234C187: from=, size=985, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Dec 16 12:48:56 p15135765 postfix/smtpd[1531]: disconnect from smtprelay01.ispgateway.de[62.67.200.156] Dec 16 12:48:56 p15135765 postfix/local[1534]: 9AD3234C187: to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent (mailbox) ---------------------------- web1p1 is the catchall address thanks for your help so far, im working on this for more than three days ... i'm totally stuck. bye, Murphy From simon at caperet.com Tue Dec 16 13:05:45 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:05:45 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix not sending mail In-Reply-To: <3FDEF162.1070409@thepanemgroup.com> References: <3FDEE07A.4090501@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216104905.GK22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEE97B.60104@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216112902.GR22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEECB0.5010508@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216114422.GS22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEF162.1070409@thepanemgroup.com> Message-ID: <20031216120544.GV22455@mediadev.com> 16-Dec-03 at 12:49, Thomas Murphy (murphy at thepanemgroup.com) wrote : > Simon White wrote: > >Setting permissions like that is rarely a good idea. 777 means readable, > >writable, and executable. You only need something like 644 for aliases, > >because you run newaliases as root anyway. 777 may, in some cases, cause > >programs NOT to work due to security checks (file permissions wrong)... > > hmm jep, im meant 666 not 777 ... 666 is still world writable. You don't need it to be world writable, just readable. Hence 644. > >Now, if the aliases are correct, and you have run newaliases, and mail > >is still going to the catchall, then you'll have to show an extract of > >your aliases file, the email address you are sending to, and the > >delivery success in the mail log for any further troubleshooting. > > the email address i am sending is the mailing list: > netmilk-general at netmilk.de > > and i'm sending from: > murphy at thepanemgroup.com > /var/log/mail: > ---------------------------- > Dec 16 12:48:56 p15135765 postfix/smtpd[1531]: connect from > smtprelay01.ispgateway.de[62.67.200.156] > Dec 16 12:48:56 p15135765 postfix/smtpd[1531]: 9AD3234C187: > client=smtprelay01.ispgateway.de[62.67.200.156] > Dec 16 12:48:56 p15135765 postfix/cleanup[1532]: 9AD3234C187: > message-id=<3FDEEF91.3080605 at thepanemgroup.com> > Dec 16 12:48:56 p15135765 postfix/qmgr[1240]: 9AD3234C187: > from=, size=985, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > Dec 16 12:48:56 p15135765 postfix/smtpd[1531]: disconnect from > smtprelay01.ispgateway.de[62.67.200.156] > Dec 16 12:48:56 p15135765 postfix/local[1534]: 9AD3234C187: > to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent > (mailbox) > ---------------------------- > > web1p1 is the catchall address Something is getting rewritten further up the chain. Your logs just show a message delivered directly to web1p1 at p15135765.pureserver.info so you need to look at the config a bit harder. I can see that the MX for netmilk is the same machine, so at least that is OK root [13:03] simon # host 217.160.217.60 60.217.160.217.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer netmilk.de. root [13:04] simon # host p15135765.pureserver.info p15135765.pureserver.info has address 217.160.217.60 So why is the address being rewritten? Are you doing anything with transport maps, canonical maps, something like that? -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From mail at schoeppi.net Tue Dec 16 13:15:40 2003 From: mail at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:15:40 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix not sending mail In-Reply-To: <3FDEF162.1070409@thepanemgroup.com> References: <3FDEE07A.4090501@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216104905.GK22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEE97B.60104@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216112902.GR22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEECB0.5010508@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216114422.GS22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEF162.1070409@thepanemgroup.com> Message-ID: <20031216121540.GA1212@athlon.schoeppi.net> Hiho Thomas! On Di, Dez 16, 2003 at 12:49:54 +0100, Thomas Murphy wrote: > Simon White wrote: > >Now, if the aliases are correct, and you have run newaliases, and mail > >is still going to the catchall, then you'll have to show an extract of > >your aliases file, the email address you are sending to, and the > >delivery success in the mail log for any further troubleshooting. > > the email address i am sending is the mailing list: > netmilk-general at netmilk.de > > and i'm sending from: > murphy at thepanemgroup.com > > > /usr/local/mailman/aliases: > --------------------------- > # The ultimate loop stopper address > mailman-loop: /usr/local/mailman/data/owner-bounces.mbox > > # STANZA START: netmilk-general > # CREATED: Tue Dec 16 12:47:53 2003 > netmilk-general: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post > netmilk-general" > netmilk-general-admin: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin > netmilk-general" > netmilk-general-bounces: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces > netmilk-general" > netmilk-general-confirm: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm > netmilk-general" > netmilk-general-join: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join > netmilk-general" > netmilk-general-leave: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave > netmilk-general" > netmilk-general-owner: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner > netmilk-general" > netmilk-general-request: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request > netmilk-general" > netmilk-general-subscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe > netmilk-general" > netmilk-general-unsubscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman > unsubscribe netmilk-general" > # STANZA END: netmilk-general > ---------------------------- Is there also the mailman-list in the alias file? Does mailman start correctly without any error message and can you see the running mailman processes in the process table? > /var/log/mail: > ---------------------------- > Dec 16 12:48:56 p15135765 postfix/smtpd[1531]: connect from > smtprelay01.ispgateway.de[62.67.200.156] > Dec 16 12:48:56 p15135765 postfix/smtpd[1531]: 9AD3234C187: > client=smtprelay01.ispgateway.de[62.67.200.156] > Dec 16 12:48:56 p15135765 postfix/cleanup[1532]: 9AD3234C187: > message-id=<3FDEEF91.3080605 at thepanemgroup.com> > Dec 16 12:48:56 p15135765 postfix/qmgr[1240]: 9AD3234C187: > from=, size=985, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > Dec 16 12:48:56 p15135765 postfix/smtpd[1531]: disconnect from > smtprelay01.ispgateway.de[62.67.200.156] > Dec 16 12:48:56 p15135765 postfix/local[1534]: 9AD3234C187: > to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent > (mailbox) > ---------------------------- Hmm, normaly there should appear the mailinglistaddress and not the web1p1 at ... address. Disable the catchall via confixx temporaily and test if this works. I also use mailman and postfix on a rootserver from 1&1 and it works, but first of all I kicked confixx from the machine ;-). Regards, Schoeppi -- Christian Schoepplein | Beste Rockband der Welt: http://www.lily-rockt.de mail at schoeppi.net | Linux fuer Blinde: http://www.blinux.suse.de From murphy at thepanemgroup.com Tue Dec 16 13:22:28 2003 From: murphy at thepanemgroup.com (Thomas Murphy) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:22:28 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix not sending mail In-Reply-To: <20031216120544.GV22455@mediadev.com> References: <3FDEE07A.4090501@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216104905.GK22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEE97B.60104@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216112902.GR22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEECB0.5010508@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216114422.GS22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEF162.1070409@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216120544.GV22455@mediadev.com> Message-ID: <3FDEF904.6030101@thepanemgroup.com> Simon White wrote: > Something is getting rewritten further up the chain. Your logs just show > a message delivered directly to web1p1 at p15135765.pureserver.info so you > need to look at the config a bit harder. I can see that the MX for > netmilk is the same machine, so at least that is OK > > root [13:03] simon # host 217.160.217.60 > 60.217.160.217.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer netmilk.de. > root [13:04] simon # host p15135765.pureserver.info > p15135765.pureserver.info has address 217.160.217.60 > > So why is the address being rewritten? Are you doing anything with > transport maps, canonical maps, something like that? damn. you are right. i have not checked this before but seems that confixx (an webserver control program, like cpanel) is messing with the configuration. it puts a lot of stuff (canonical, transport,etc.) at the end of main.cf. in a file called virtaul_users it defines something like: @netmilk web1p1 i think thats the problem - unfortunatly i have experienced that it rewrites all of its own configuration files with a cron-job. so it's no option to edit this files it created itself. i tried to include the mailman aliases below that configuration and i got an error message by postfix: <"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post netmilk-general"@p15135765.pureserver.info>: unknown user: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post netmilk-general" so maybe putting the virtual_maps just after the confixx configuration stuff isn't an option. are there other ways of overriding the virtual_maps of this lousy little program? bye, Murphy P.S: I just received Shoeppi's eMail: that's exactly the problem! do you know how i can override this, "Leidensgenosse"? ;) From reduzirgastos at teleinfor.com.br Tue Dec 16 13:43:53 2003 From: reduzirgastos at teleinfor.com.br (reduzirgastos at teleinfor.com.br) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:43:53 -0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A alta =?iso-8859-1?q?redu=E7=E3o_de__contas_telef=F4nica?= Message-ID: <3FDEFE09.9030309@teleinfor.com.br> A alta redu??o de contas telef?nicas apenas ? possivel atraves de tecnologia de ponta e grande expertise. 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Para tanto contamos com a mais avan?ada tecnologia de REDUCAO DE CUSTOS de telefonia em ambientes de call center ja concebidos, especialmente nas liga??es locais de fixo para fixo. -- ____________________________________________________________ http://www.teleinfor.com.br reduzir contas de telefone j?! ____________________________________________________________ From murphy at thepanemgroup.com Tue Dec 16 13:52:08 2003 From: murphy at thepanemgroup.com (Thomas Murphy) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:52:08 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix not sending mail In-Reply-To: <20031216121540.GA1212@athlon.schoeppi.net> References: <3FDEE07A.4090501@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216104905.GK22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEE97B.60104@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216112902.GR22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEECB0.5010508@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216114422.GS22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEF162.1070409@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216121540.GA1212@athlon.schoeppi.net> Message-ID: <3FDEFFF8.1050908@thepanemgroup.com> > Hmm, normaly there should appear the mailinglistaddress and not the > web1p1 at ... address. Disable the catchall via confixx temporaily and test > if this works. I also use mailman and postfix on a rootserver from 1&1 > and it works, but first of all I kicked confixx from the machine ;-). unfortunatley, that is not an option for me ;) - because i am sharing the server with someone who insists on this software. but i tried to disable the catchall, and now i get failure notices by postfix: : 217.160.217.60 does not like recipient. Remote host said: 550 : User unknown Giving up on 217.160.217.60. bye, Murphy From mail at schoeppi.net Tue Dec 16 14:15:19 2003 From: mail at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:15:19 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix not sending mail In-Reply-To: <3FDEFFF8.1050908@thepanemgroup.com> References: <3FDEE07A.4090501@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216104905.GK22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEE97B.60104@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216112902.GR22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEECB0.5010508@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216114422.GS22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEF162.1070409@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216121540.GA1212@athlon.schoeppi.net> <3FDEFFF8.1050908@thepanemgroup.com> Message-ID: <20031216131519.GB1212@athlon.schoeppi.net> Hi Thomas! On Di, Dez 16, 2003 at 01:52:08 +0100, Thomas Murphy wrote: > >Hmm, normaly there should appear the mailinglistaddress and not the > >web1p1 at ... address. Disable the catchall via confixx temporaily and test > >if this works. I also use mailman and postfix on a rootserver from 1&1 > >and it works, but first of all I kicked confixx from the machine ;-). OK, confixx rewrites the adresses to sort mails into the right mailbox... > unfortunatley, that is not an option for me ;) - because i am sharing > the server with someone who insists on this software. OK. > but i tried to disable the catchall, and now i get failure notices by > postfix: > > : > 217.160.217.60 does not like recipient. > Remote host said: 550 : User unknown > Giving up on 217.160.217.60. Whats in the main.cf for local_recipient_maps? I have local_recipient_maps = $alias_maps proxy:unix:passwd.byname alials_maps is set this way: alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases,hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases Is confixx rewriting the main.cf file also automaticly by its cronjob? If not, you could sent us the main.cf file (without comments) and / or the output of postconf -n Ciao, Schoepp -- Christian Schoepplein | Beste Rockband der Welt: http://www.lily-rockt.de mail at schoeppi.net | Linux fuer Blinde: http://www.blinux.suse.de From simon at caperet.com Tue Dec 16 14:19:52 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:19:52 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix not sending mail In-Reply-To: <3FDEF904.6030101@thepanemgroup.com> References: <3FDEE07A.4090501@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216104905.GK22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEE97B.60104@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216112902.GR22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEECB0.5010508@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216114422.GS22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEF162.1070409@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216120544.GV22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEF904.6030101@thepanemgroup.com> Message-ID: <20031216131952.GX22455@mediadev.com> 16-Dec-03 at 13:22, Thomas Murphy (murphy at thepanemgroup.com) wrote : > >So why is the address being rewritten? Are you doing anything with > >transport maps, canonical maps, something like that? > > damn. you are right. i have not checked this before but seems that > confixx (an webserver control program, like cpanel) is messing with the > configuration. > it puts a lot of stuff (canonical, transport,etc.) at the end of > main.cf. in a file called virtaul_users it defines something like: > > @netmilk web1p1 > > i think thats the problem - unfortunatly i have experienced that it > rewrites all of its own configuration files with a cron-job. so it's no > option to edit this files it created itself. > > i tried to include the mailman aliases below that configuration and i > got an error message by postfix: > > <"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post > netmilk-general"@p15135765.pureserver.info>: unknown user: > "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post netmilk-general" Looks to me like that command isn't being executed. The alias should actually cause the message to be piped to mailman, which executes a program to read the message before posting it to the list. Mailman will then look after address expansion, delivery by digest and non digest, archiving etc. It would seem that piping isn't working. "pipe" is the Postfix process that looks after this, is it correctly configured in master.cf? Also, make sure the aliases file does not have the @p15135765.pureserver.info at the end (I'm assuming Postfix added that when pipe failed, maybe something else is missing). Since this really seems to be a specific context, it is difficult to help you out too much; you may have to rely on your own searching around to get too much further with this. Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From simon at caperet.com Tue Dec 16 15:29:56 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:29:56 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Silently unsubscribing members Message-ID: <20031216142955.GA22455@mediadev.com> I spoke a while ago about a script I had written to unsubscribe people from lists without a confirmation step. Here's a package that does that for you, and also emails confirmation of people who have left each day or each hour depending on how you set it up with cron. It's rather a mess of bash scripting and a PHP example, one way among many others to automate this task. However it's been useful to me. I've tried to make it a little bit robust by using testing within the script instead of just listing a bunch of commands, so it should recover from some errors, maybe even letting you know about them. This is in use over at www.tiboo.com if any of you are young parents who speak French... So, if you want any info about setting it up feel free to contact me. The instructions are all there already though, if they seem like Greek to you then this tool isn't for you in the first place. Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From simon at caperet.com Tue Dec 16 15:35:02 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:35:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Silently unsubscribing members In-Reply-To: <20031216142955.GA22455@mediadev.com> References: <20031216142955.GA22455@mediadev.com> Message-ID: <20031216143502.GC22455@mediadev.com> 16-Dec-03 at 15:29, Simon White (simon at caperet.com) wrote : > I spoke a while ago about a script I had written to unsubscribe people > from lists without a confirmation step. Apparently attachments are stripped. http://mediadev.homelinux.net/silent_unsubscribe.tar.gz Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From murphy at thepanemgroup.com Tue Dec 16 15:59:24 2003 From: murphy at thepanemgroup.com (Thomas Murphy) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:59:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix not sending mail In-Reply-To: <20031216131519.GB1212@athlon.schoeppi.net> References: <3FDEE07A.4090501@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216104905.GK22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEE97B.60104@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216112902.GR22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEECB0.5010508@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216114422.GS22455@mediadev.com> <3FDEF162.1070409@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216121540.GA1212@athlon.schoeppi.net> <3FDEFFF8.1050908@thepanemgroup.com> <20031216131519.GB1212@athlon.schoeppi.net> Message-ID: <3FDF1DCC.7070903@thepanemgroup.com> It's working! Thanx for your help Simon and Christian. I finally figured it out, i added the virtual_maps into a part of the script that is not rewritten, then i had to reconfigure with a different mail username and now it works! I hope now that confixx won't screw this work up with a cron job, but for now i'm happy. :) bye, Murphy From mel at herald.co.uk Tue Dec 16 17:31:39 2003 From: mel at herald.co.uk (Melanie Dymond Harper) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:31:39 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] SetGID Message-ID: <20031216163139.GA23512@herald.co.uk> Hi folks, I'm in the process of trying to transfer some Mailman list across from one server to another; the current server is local, the new server is some space on a remotely-hosted server. I have everything working in terms of accepting mail and sending it out, but I'm having some trouble with the Web interface. Specifically, the web host concerned don't allow setuid/setgid scripts within cgi-bin directories. As far as I can tell, it is possible for the wrapper scripts (e.g. /mailman/ listinfo/) to work without being setgid, but they don't seem to be picking up the right set of information -- such as the list of lists available on the machine. Is it likely that I will be able to work around this, or should I just give up and try to put the lists somewhere else? Thanks Mel From somik at industriallogic.com Tue Dec 16 18:01:48 2003 From: somik at industriallogic.com (Somik Raha) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:01:48 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not receiving mail References: <015001c3c37e$e4298dd0$0300a8c0@LOU> <20031216081202.GA22455@mediadev.com> Message-ID: <00cc01c3c3f6$4b12a4b0$0300a8c0@LOU> Simon White wrote: >From this log entry, it looks to me as if the account 'internal' on the > local machine is indeed receiving the email. > The aliases are not being included. Did you copy them to /etc/aliases > before you did newaliases? Have you checked to see if the message turns > up in /var/spool/mail/internal ? I did copy them to aliases. Here's what /etc/aliases shows: ## internal mailing list ## created: 15-Dec-2003 somik internal: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post internal" internal-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner internal" internal-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd internal" internal-owner: internal-admin Also looked in the /var/spool/mail directory and did not find any file called internal. Regards, Somik From simon at caperet.com Tue Dec 16 18:02:13 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:02:13 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not receiving mail In-Reply-To: <00ad01c3c3f6$1195d8b0$0300a8c0@LOU> References: <015001c3c37e$e4298dd0$0300a8c0@LOU> <20031216081202.GA22455@mediadev.com> <00ad01c3c3f6$1195d8b0$0300a8c0@LOU> Message-ID: <20031216170213.GH22455@mediadev.com> Reply to the list! 16-Dec-03 at 09:00, Somik Raha (somik at industriallogic.com) wrote : > Simon White wrote: > >From this log entry, it looks to me as if the account 'internal' on the > > local machine is indeed receiving the email. > > The aliases are not being included. Did you copy them to /etc/aliases > > before you did newaliases? Have you checked to see if the message turns > > up in /var/spool/mail/internal ? > > I did copy them to aliases. Here's what /etc/aliases shows: > > ## internal mailing list > ## created: 15-Dec-2003 somik > internal: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post internal" > internal-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner internal" > internal-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd internal" > internal-owner: internal-admin > > Also looked in the /var/spool/mail directory and did not find any file > called internal. So maybe you need to look in the Mailman logs then, although the log entry you showed, if I remember correctly, looked like local delivery to me. -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From somik at industriallogic.com Tue Dec 16 18:09:39 2003 From: somik at industriallogic.com (Somik Raha) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:09:39 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not receiving mail References: <015001c3c37e$e4298dd0$0300a8c0@LOU> <20031216081202.GA22455@mediadev.com> <00ad01c3c3f6$1195d8b0$0300a8c0@LOU> <20031216170213.GH22455@mediadev.com> Message-ID: <00fd01c3c3f7$6404a3f0$0300a8c0@LOU> > Reply to the list! Apologies! Didn't check the reply-to address.. > So maybe you need to look in the Mailman logs then, although the log > entry you showed, if I remember correctly, looked like local delivery to > me. Looking at /home/mailman/logs does not reveal much. I can see three log files, error, subscribe and smtp, and error does not have any entries for my test mail. smtp shows these lines, but they were from an earlier test. Dec 15 14:54:44 2003 (21615) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 20.138 seconds Dec 15 15:13:02 2003 (21807) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.093 seconds Is there any other log file that I should be looking at? Thank you very much. Regards, Somik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon White" To: "Somik Raha" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Not receiving mail > Reply to the list! > > 16-Dec-03 at 09:00, Somik Raha (somik at industriallogic.com) wrote : > > Simon White wrote: > > >From this log entry, it looks to me as if the account 'internal' on the > > > local machine is indeed receiving the email. > > > The aliases are not being included. Did you copy them to /etc/aliases > > > before you did newaliases? Have you checked to see if the message turns > > > up in /var/spool/mail/internal ? > > > > I did copy them to aliases. Here's what /etc/aliases shows: > > > > ## internal mailing list > > ## created: 15-Dec-2003 somik > > internal: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post internal" > > internal-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner internal" > > internal-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd internal" > > internal-owner: internal-admin > > > > Also looked in the /var/spool/mail directory and did not find any file > > called internal. > > So maybe you need to look in the Mailman logs then, although the log > entry you showed, if I remember correctly, looked like local delivery to > me. > > -- > Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. > email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access > Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. > From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Tue Dec 16 18:17:58 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:17:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem In-Reply-To: <20031216093539.GA11702@mail.inet.hr> References: <20031216084001.GA9048@mail.inet.hr> <20031216102616.GI22455@mediadev.com> <20031216093539.GA11702@mail.inet.hr> Message-ID: <20031216171758.GV14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Gour wrote: > If the listinfo is on http://lists.domain.com/mailman/listinfo/listname and > admin on http://lists.domain.com/mailman/admin/listname why is the > lists' archive on http://www.virtualdomain.com/mailman/pipermail/.. ? Check what you have PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL and DEFAULT_URL_HOST set to in either Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py. Here's some text from Defaults.py regarding PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL: # The url template for the public archives. This will be used in # several places, including the List-Archive: header, links to the # archive on the list's listinfo page, and on the list's admin # page. # # This should be a string with "%(listname)s" somewhere in it. # Mailman will interpolate the name of the list into this. You # can also include a "%(hostname)s" in the string, into which # Mailman will interpolate the host name (usually # DEFAULT_URL_HOST). PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s' - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Freedom can be preserved only if it is treated as a supreme principle which must not be sacrificed for any particular advantage. -- F. A. Hayek -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/3z5Fuv+09NZUB1oRApRqAKCAO4fS1DxTR/JvUF5UyyAyWHCSTQCgwehl urit/9DyQ952LIgnDnn0ztU= =H9A+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Dec 16 18:59:10 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 16 Dec 2003 12:59:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] SetGID In-Reply-To: <20031216163139.GA23512@herald.co.uk> References: <20031216163139.GA23512@herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <1071597549.2741.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> You should be able to work around this particular problem by having them add the apache user (whatever "user" the server runs as) into the mailman group. That will allow Apache to run any of the apps and still have access to all the data. Good luck - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 11:31, Melanie Dymond Harper wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm in the process of trying to transfer some Mailman list across from one > server to another; the current server is local, the new server is some > space on a remotely-hosted server. > > I have everything working in terms of accepting mail and sending it out, but > I'm having some trouble with the Web interface. Specifically, the web host > concerned don't allow setuid/setgid scripts within cgi-bin directories. > > As far as I can tell, it is possible for the wrapper scripts (e.g. /mailman/ > listinfo/) to work without being setgid, but they don't seem to be picking > up the right set of information -- such as the list of lists available on > the machine. > > Is it likely that I will be able to work around this, or should I just give > up and try to put the lists somewhere else? > > Thanks > > Mel > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From gour at mail.inet.hr Tue Dec 16 19:41:39 2003 From: gour at mail.inet.hr (Gour) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:41:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem In-Reply-To: <20031216171758.GV14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <20031216084001.GA9048@mail.inet.hr> <20031216102616.GI22455@mediadev.com> <20031216093539.GA11702@mail.inet.hr> <20031216171758.GV14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20031216184139.GA1168@mail.inet.hr> Todd (Freedom_Lover at pobox.com) wrote: > Check what you have PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL and DEFAULT_URL_HOST set to in > either Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py. Here's some text from Defaults.py > regarding PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL: They're set (in mm_cfg.py) and the mystery is that for some lists everything is OK, while others have wrong url. Any other idea? Sincerely, Gour -- Gour gour at mail.inet.hr Registered Linux User #278493 From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Tue Dec 16 19:52:01 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:52:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem In-Reply-To: <20031216184139.GA1168@mail.inet.hr> References: <20031216084001.GA9048@mail.inet.hr> <20031216102616.GI22455@mediadev.com> <20031216093539.GA11702@mail.inet.hr> <20031216171758.GV14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216184139.GA1168@mail.inet.hr> Message-ID: <20031216185201.GZ14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Gour wrote: > Todd (Freedom_Lover at pobox.com) wrote: > >> Check what you have PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL and DEFAULT_URL_HOST set to in >> either Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py. Here's some text from Defaults.py >> regarding PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL: > > They're set (in mm_cfg.py) and the mystery is that for some lists everything is > OK, while others have wrong url. Well, just so we'll all know, what are they set to? Was mailman restarted after they were last changed, before you ran the fix_url.py script? Are the lists that work ones which were created after you moved servers? Any other clues that might help differentiate the working lists from the nonworking lists? - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Learn from the mistakes of others--you can never live long enough to make them all yourself. -- John Luther -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/31RRuv+09NZUB1oRAt0nAJwPmpdhyBcfN/5IWW1Q3eprIJeIWACg/BFh 4FK+K0yu8QlX3fZd8tecdWA= =ipeB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gour at mail.inet.hr Tue Dec 16 20:10:32 2003 From: gour at mail.inet.hr (Gour) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:10:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem In-Reply-To: <20031216185201.GZ14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <20031216084001.GA9048@mail.inet.hr> <20031216102616.GI22455@mediadev.com> <20031216093539.GA11702@mail.inet.hr> <20031216171758.GV14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216184139.GA1168@mail.inet.hr> <20031216185201.GZ14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20031216191032.GA3473@mail.inet.hr> Todd (Freedom_Lover at pobox.com) wrote: > Well, just so we'll all know, what are they set to? PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'https://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.vediclists.net' DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' > Was mailman restarted after they were last changed, before you ran the > fix_url.py script? Yes, it was restarted severla times. > Are the lists that work ones which were created after you > moved servers? Any other clues that might help differentiate the > working lists from the nonworking lists? > Some of the old lists works and the new ones also, while some of the old does not work and I do not have clue why is it so. One possible clue: it looks like that only those lists that were under www.virtuladomain.com and now they are moved to lists.domain.com does not work, while those that stayed under same domain (whether www.virtualdomain.com or lists.domain.com) are OK. -- Gour gour at mail.inet.hr Registered Linux User #278493 From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Tue Dec 16 20:41:07 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:41:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem In-Reply-To: <20031216191032.GA3473@mail.inet.hr> References: <20031216084001.GA9048@mail.inet.hr> <20031216102616.GI22455@mediadev.com> <20031216093539.GA11702@mail.inet.hr> <20031216171758.GV14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216184139.GA1168@mail.inet.hr> <20031216185201.GZ14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216191032.GA3473@mail.inet.hr> Message-ID: <20031216194107.GB14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Gour wrote: > PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'https://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s' > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.vediclists.net' > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' Here's a WAG, does it matter that PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL is set before DEFAULT_URL_HOST? I don't know how Python handles that. If order counts, then PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL would be picking up the hostname from what's defined in Defaults.py. If order is irrelevant, then so is this whole paragraph. > Some of the old lists works and the new ones also, while some of the > old does not work and I do not have clue why is it so. > > One possible clue: it looks like that only those lists that were > under www.virtuladomain.com and now they are moved to > lists.domain.com does not work, while those that stayed under same > domain (whether www.virtualdomain.com or lists.domain.com) are OK. You might try using dumpdb on a working list and a nonworking list to see what differences there are. I would assume that the nonworking lists will have the old virtual domain in them somewhere. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== An idea is not responsible for the people who believe in it. -- Anonymous -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/31/Suv+09NZUB1oRAiEQAKCWaXUnG8O26rcahT+RS5679H3r6gCgy8nR f8FMXTyGUTim9NYmPnTPjq8= =J7CG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gour at mail.inet.hr Tue Dec 16 21:12:09 2003 From: gour at mail.inet.hr (Gour) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:12:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem In-Reply-To: <20031216194107.GB14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <20031216084001.GA9048@mail.inet.hr> <20031216102616.GI22455@mediadev.com> <20031216093539.GA11702@mail.inet.hr> <20031216171758.GV14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216184139.GA1168@mail.inet.hr> <20031216185201.GZ14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216191032.GA3473@mail.inet.hr> <20031216194107.GB14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20031216201209.GA6804@mail.inet.hr> Todd (Freedom_Lover at pobox.com) wrote: > Here's a WAG, does it matter that PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL is set before > DEFAULT_URL_HOST? I don't know how Python handles that. If order > counts, then PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL would be picking up the hostname from > what's defined in Defaults.py. If order is irrelevant, then so is > this whole paragraph. Actually, I wrote in such an order, actually it's: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.vediclists.net' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.vediclists.net' # Using secure http (SSL) DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' # Public archive URL PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'https://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s' so it does not apply :-( > You might try using dumpdb on a working list and a nonworking list to > see what differences there are. I would assume that the nonworking > lists will have the old virtual domain in them somewhere. I'll do it, and I'm sure that nonworking lists have the old values, but I'm just wondering how to change them :-) Sincerely, Gour -- Gour gour at mail.inet.hr Registered Linux User #278493 From ptn at goalsnet.com.pe Tue Dec 16 21:37:51 2003 From: ptn at goalsnet.com.pe (Pat) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:37:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 15, Issue 41 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031216153707.009fdec0@goalsnet.com.pe> no entiendoop lo que quieren decirme. At 03:18 p.m. 16/12/03 -0500, you wrote: >Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to > mailman-users at python.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mailman-users-request at python.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > mailman-users-owner at python.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Not receiving mail (Somik Raha) > 2. Re: Not receiving mail (Simon White) > 3. Re: Not receiving mail (Somik Raha) > 4. Re: re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem (Todd) > 5. Re: SetGID (Jon Carnes) > 6. Re: re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem (Gour) > 7. Re: re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem (Todd) > 8. Re: re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem (Gour) > 9. Re: re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem (Todd) > 10. Re: re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem (Gour) >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From: "Somik Raha" >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Cc: >To: >References: <015001c3c37e$e4298dd0$0300a8c0 at LOU> > <20031216081202.GA22455 at mediadev.com> >Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:01:48 -0800 >Message-ID: <00cc01c3c3f6$4b12a4b0$0300a8c0 at LOU> >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Not receiving mail >Message: 1 > >Simon White wrote: > >From this log entry, it looks to me as if the account 'internal' on the > > local machine is indeed receiving the email. > > The aliases are not being included. Did you copy them to /etc/aliases > > before you did newaliases? Have you checked to see if the message turns > > up in /var/spool/mail/internal ? > >I did copy them to aliases. Here's what /etc/aliases shows: > >## internal mailing list >## created: 15-Dec-2003 somik >internal: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post internal" >internal-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner internal" >internal-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd internal" >internal-owner: internal-admin > >Also looked in the /var/spool/mail directory and did not find any file >called internal. > >Regards, >Somik > > > >From: Simon White >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Cc: mailman-users at python.org >To: Somik Raha >References: <015001c3c37e$e4298dd0$0300a8c0 at LOU> > <20031216081202.GA22455 at mediadev.com> > <00ad01c3c3f6$1195d8b0$0300a8c0 at LOU> >In-Reply-To: <00ad01c3c3f6$1195d8b0$0300a8c0 at LOU> >Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:02:13 +0100 >Message-ID: <20031216170213.GH22455 at mediadev.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Not receiving mail >Message: 2 > >Reply to the list! > >16-Dec-03 at 09:00, Somik Raha (somik at industriallogic.com) wrote : > > Simon White wrote: > > >From this log entry, it looks to me as if the account 'internal' on the > > > local machine is indeed receiving the email. > > > The aliases are not being included. Did you copy them to /etc/aliases > > > before you did newaliases? Have you checked to see if the message turns > > > up in /var/spool/mail/internal ? > > > > I did copy them to aliases. Here's what /etc/aliases shows: > > > > ## internal mailing list > > ## created: 15-Dec-2003 somik > > internal: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post internal" > > internal-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner > internal" > > internal-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd internal" > > internal-owner: internal-admin > > > > Also looked in the /var/spool/mail directory and did not find any file > > called internal. > >So maybe you need to look in the Mailman logs then, although the log >entry you showed, if I remember correctly, looked like local delivery to >me. > >-- >Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. >email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access > Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From: "Somik Raha" >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: >References: <015001c3c37e$e4298dd0$0300a8c0 at LOU> > <20031216081202.GA22455 at mediadev.com> > <00ad01c3c3f6$1195d8b0$0300a8c0 at LOU> > <20031216170213.GH22455 at mediadev.com> >Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:09:39 -0800 >Message-ID: <00fd01c3c3f7$6404a3f0$0300a8c0 at LOU> >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Not receiving mail >Message: 3 > > > Reply to the list! > >Apologies! Didn't check the reply-to address.. > > > So maybe you need to look in the Mailman logs then, although the log > > entry you showed, if I remember correctly, looked like local delivery to > > me. > >Looking at /home/mailman/logs does not reveal much. I can see three log >files, error, subscribe and smtp, and error does not have any entries for my >test mail. smtp shows these lines, but they were from an earlier test. >Dec 15 14:54:44 2003 (21615) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 20.138 seconds >Dec 15 15:13:02 2003 (21807) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.093 seconds > >Is there any other log file that I should be looking at? > >Thank you very much. > >Regards, >Somik >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Simon White" >To: "Somik Raha" >Cc: >Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:02 AM >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Not receiving mail > > > > Reply to the list! > > > > 16-Dec-03 at 09:00, Somik Raha (somik at industriallogic.com) wrote : > > > Simon White wrote: > > > >From this log entry, it looks to me as if the account 'internal' on the > > > > local machine is indeed receiving the email. > > > > The aliases are not being included. Did you copy them to /etc/aliases > > > > before you did newaliases? Have you checked to see if the message >turns > > > > up in /var/spool/mail/internal ? > > > > > > I did copy them to aliases. Here's what /etc/aliases shows: > > > > > > ## internal mailing list > > > ## created: 15-Dec-2003 somik > > > internal: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post internal" > > > internal-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner >internal" > > > internal-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd >internal" > > > internal-owner: internal-admin > > > > > > Also looked in the /var/spool/mail directory and did not find any file > > > called internal. > > > > So maybe you need to look in the Mailman logs then, although the log > > entry you showed, if I remember correctly, looked like local delivery to > > me. > > > > -- > > Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. > > email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access > > Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. > > > > > >From: Todd >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Cc: >To: mailman >References: <20031216084001.GA9048 at mail.inet.hr> > <20031216102616.GI22455 at mediadev.com> > <20031216093539.GA11702 at mail.inet.hr> >In-Reply-To: <20031216093539.GA11702 at mail.inet.hr> >Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:17:58 -0500 >Reply-To: Todd >Message-ID: <20031216171758.GV14532 at psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive > problem >Message: 4 > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Gour wrote: > > If the listinfo is on http://lists.domain.com/mailman/listinfo/listname and > > admin on http://lists.domain.com/mailman/admin/listname why is the > > lists' archive on http://www.virtualdomain.com/mailman/pipermail/.. ? > >Check what you have PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL and DEFAULT_URL_HOST set to in >either Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py. Here's some text from Defaults.py >regarding PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL: > > # The url template for the public archives. This will be used in > # several places, including the List-Archive: header, links to the > # archive on the list's listinfo page, and on the list's admin > # page. > # > # This should be a string with "%(listname)s" somewhere in it. > # Mailman will interpolate the name of the list into this. You > # can also include a "%(hostname)s" in the string, into which > # Mailman will interpolate the host name (usually > # DEFAULT_URL_HOST). > PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s' > >- -- >Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp >====================================================================== >Freedom can be preserved only if it is treated as a supreme principle >which must not be sacrificed for any particular advantage. > -- F. A. Hayek > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. > >iD8DBQE/3z5Fuv+09NZUB1oRApRqAKCAO4fS1DxTR/JvUF5UyyAyWHCSTQCgwehl >urit/9DyQ952LIgnDnn0ztU= >=H9A+ >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From: Jon Carnes >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Cc: mailman-users at python.org >To: Melanie Dymond Harper >References: <20031216163139.GA23512 at herald.co.uk> >In-Reply-To: <20031216163139.GA23512 at herald.co.uk> >Date: 16 Dec 2003 12:59:10 -0500 >Reply-To: jonc at nc.rr.com >Message-ID: <1071597549.2741.22.camel at localhost.localdomain> >Content-Type: text/plain >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] SetGID >Message: 5 > >You should be able to work around this particular problem by having them >add the apache user (whatever "user" the server runs as) into the >mailman group. That will allow Apache to run any of the apps and still >have access to all the data. > >Good luck - Jon Carnes > >On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 11:31, Melanie Dymond Harper wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > I'm in the process of trying to transfer some Mailman list across from one > > server to another; the current server is local, the new server is some > > space on a remotely-hosted server. > > > > I have everything working in terms of accepting mail and sending it > out, but > > I'm having some trouble with the Web interface. Specifically, the web host > > concerned don't allow setuid/setgid scripts within cgi-bin directories. > > > > As far as I can tell, it is possible for the wrapper scripts (e.g. > /mailman/ > > listinfo/) to work without being setgid, but they don't seem to be picking > > up the right set of information -- such as the list of lists available on > > the machine. > > > > Is it likely that I will be able to work around this, or should I just > give > > up and try to put the lists somewhere else? > > > > Thanks > > > > Mel > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > >From: Gour >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Cc: >To: mailman >References: <20031216084001.GA9048 at mail.inet.hr> > <20031216102616.GI22455 at mediadev.com> > <20031216093539.GA11702 at mail.inet.hr> > <20031216171758.GV14532 at psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> >In-Reply-To: <20031216171758.GV14532 at psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> >Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:41:39 +0100 >Reply-To: Gour >Message-ID: <20031216184139.GA1168 at mail.inet.hr> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive > problem >Message: 6 > >Todd (Freedom_Lover at pobox.com) wrote: > > > Check what you have PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL and DEFAULT_URL_HOST set to in > > either Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py. Here's some text from Defaults.py > > regarding PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL: > >They're set (in mm_cfg.py) and the mystery is that for some lists >everything is >OK, while others have wrong url. > >Any other idea? > >Sincerely, >Gour > >-- >Gour >gour at mail.inet.hr >Registered Linux User #278493 > > > >From: Todd >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Cc: >To: mailman >References: <20031216084001.GA9048 at mail.inet.hr> > <20031216102616.GI22455 at mediadev.com> > <20031216093539.GA11702 at mail.inet.hr> > <20031216171758.GV14532 at psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> > <20031216184139.GA1168 at mail.inet.hr> >In-Reply-To: <20031216184139.GA1168 at mail.inet.hr> >Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:52:01 -0500 >Reply-To: Todd >Message-ID: <20031216185201.GZ14532 at psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive > problem >Message: 7 > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Gour wrote: > > Todd (Freedom_Lover at pobox.com) wrote: > > > >> Check what you have PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL and DEFAULT_URL_HOST set to in > >> either Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py. Here's some text from Defaults.py > >> regarding PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL: > > > > They're set (in mm_cfg.py) and the mystery is that for some lists > everything is > > OK, while others have wrong url. > >Well, just so we'll all know, what are they set to? Was mailman >restarted after they were last changed, before you ran the fix_url.py >script? Are the lists that work ones which were created after you >moved servers? Any other clues that might help differentiate the >working lists from the nonworking lists? > >- -- >Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp >====================================================================== >Learn from the mistakes of others--you can never live long enough to >make them all yourself. > -- John Luther > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. > >iD8DBQE/31RRuv+09NZUB1oRAt0nAJwPmpdhyBcfN/5IWW1Q3eprIJeIWACg/BFh >4FK+K0yu8QlX3fZd8tecdWA= >=ipeB >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >From: Gour >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Cc: >To: mailman >References: <20031216084001.GA9048 at mail.inet.hr> > <20031216102616.GI22455 at mediadev.com> > <20031216093539.GA11702 at mail.inet.hr> > <20031216171758.GV14532 at psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> > <20031216184139.GA1168 at mail.inet.hr> > <20031216185201.GZ14532 at psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> >In-Reply-To: <20031216185201.GZ14532 at psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> >Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:10:32 +0100 >Reply-To: Gour >Message-ID: <20031216191032.GA3473 at mail.inet.hr> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive > problem >Message: 8 > >Todd (Freedom_Lover at pobox.com) wrote: > > > Well, just so we'll all know, what are they set to? > >PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'https://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s' >DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.vediclists.net' >DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' > > > Was mailman restarted after they were last changed, before you ran the > > fix_url.py script? > >Yes, it was restarted severla times. > > > Are the lists that work ones which were created after you > > moved servers? Any other clues that might help differentiate the > > working lists from the nonworking lists? > > > >Some of the old lists works and the new ones also, while some of the old does >not work and I do not have clue why is it so. > >One possible clue: it looks like that only those lists that were under >www.virtuladomain.com and now they are moved to lists.domain.com does not >work, while those that stayed under same domain (whether >www.virtualdomain.com >or lists.domain.com) are OK. > >-- >Gour >gour at mail.inet.hr >Registered Linux User #278493 > > > >From: Todd >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Cc: >To: mailman >References: <20031216084001.GA9048 at mail.inet.hr> > <20031216102616.GI22455 at mediadev.com> > <20031216093539.GA11702 at mail.inet.hr> > <20031216171758.GV14532 at psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> > <20031216184139.GA1168 at mail.inet.hr> > <20031216185201.GZ14532 at psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> > <20031216191032.GA3473 at mail.inet.hr> >In-Reply-To: <20031216191032.GA3473 at mail.inet.hr> >Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:41:07 -0500 >Reply-To: Todd >Message-ID: <20031216194107.GB14532 at psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive > problem >Message: 9 > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Gour wrote: > > PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'https://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s' > > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.vediclists.net' > > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' > >Here's a WAG, does it matter that PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL is set before >DEFAULT_URL_HOST? I don't know how Python handles that. If order >counts, then PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL would be picking up the hostname from >what's defined in Defaults.py. If order is irrelevant, then so is >this whole paragraph. > > > Some of the old lists works and the new ones also, while some of the > > old does not work and I do not have clue why is it so. > > > > One possible clue: it looks like that only those lists that were > > under www.virtuladomain.com and now they are moved to > > lists.domain.com does not work, while those that stayed under same > > domain (whether www.virtualdomain.com or lists.domain.com) are OK. > >You might try using dumpdb on a working list and a nonworking list to >see what differences there are. I would assume that the nonworking >lists will have the old virtual domain in them somewhere. > >- -- >Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp >====================================================================== >An idea is not responsible for the people who believe in it. > -- Anonymous > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. > >iD8DBQE/31/Suv+09NZUB1oRAiEQAKCWaXUnG8O26rcahT+RS5679H3r6gCgy8nR >f8FMXTyGUTim9NYmPnTPjq8= >=J7CG >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >From: Gour >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Cc: >To: mailman >References: <20031216084001.GA9048 at mail.inet.hr> > <20031216102616.GI22455 at mediadev.com> > <20031216093539.GA11702 at mail.inet.hr> > <20031216171758.GV14532 at psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> > <20031216184139.GA1168 at mail.inet.hr> > <20031216185201.GZ14532 at psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> > <20031216191032.GA3473 at mail.inet.hr> > <20031216194107.GB14532 at psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> >In-Reply-To: <20031216194107.GB14532 at psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> >Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:12:09 +0100 >Reply-To: Gour >Message-ID: <20031216201209.GA6804 at mail.inet.hr> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive > problem >Message: 10 > >Todd (Freedom_Lover at pobox.com) wrote: > > > Here's a WAG, does it matter that PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL is set before > > DEFAULT_URL_HOST? I don't know how Python handles that. If order > > counts, then PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL would be picking up the hostname from > > what's defined in Defaults.py. If order is irrelevant, then so is > > this whole paragraph. > >Actually, I wrote in such an order, actually it's: > >DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.vediclists.net' >DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.vediclists.net' > ># Using secure http (SSL) > >DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' > ># Public archive URL > >PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'https://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s' > >so it does not apply :-( > > > You might try using dumpdb on a working list and a nonworking list to > > see what differences there are. I would assume that the nonworking > > lists will have the old virtual domain in them somewhere. > >I'll do it, and I'm sure that nonworking lists have the old values, but I'm >just wondering how to change them :-) > >Sincerely, >Gour > >-- >Gour >gour at mail.inet.hr >Registered Linux User #278493 > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From andyk at termisoc.org Tue Dec 16 21:23:06 2003 From: andyk at termisoc.org (Andrzej Kasperowicz) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:23:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting moderator Message-ID: How can I (as a list-owner) set a moderator? I put an e-mail address of a moderator, and then a password. But when I tried to login through the administrative interface as a moderator, login failed. :( ak From andyk at termisoc.org Tue Dec 16 21:37:03 2003 From: andyk at termisoc.org (Andrzej Kasperowicz) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:37:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] combining archives Message-ID: How could I combine two or three archives into one (due to moving of the lists to a new server)? I have the following situation: an old archive made by Mhonarc, an old archive made by Mailman, and a new archive made by Mailman (in case of some lists there are no new archives, yet). Let's also consider the easiest case i.e. having all posts being in unix mailbox format file. My admin told me that he will combine those archives and set as mailman archives only when I tell him exactly how to do it. So please, tell me how to do it. ak From lan_administrator at solanapres.org Tue Dec 16 22:18:25 2003 From: lan_administrator at solanapres.org (Bryan Dyson) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:18:25 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with Config? Message-ID: I have mailman setup. I'm able to create lists send invitations and administer the lists via www. The one thing That doesn't seem to work is when a list member sends to the list. The post never goes to anyone. Could anyone give me some help with this. Thanks, Bryan From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Dec 16 22:27:07 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 16 Dec 2003 16:27:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] combining archives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1071610027.2741.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 15:37, Andrzej Kasperowicz wrote: > How could I combine two or three archives into one (due to moving of the > lists to a new server)? > I have the following situation: an old archive made by Mhonarc, an old > archive made by Mailman, and a new archive made by Mailman (in case of > some lists there are no new archives, yet). > Let's also consider the easiest case i.e. having all posts being in unix > mailbox format file. > My admin told me that he will combine those archives and set as mailman > archives only when I tell him exactly how to do it. > So please, tell me how to do it. > > ak > There is a tool called formail that breaks up an mbox format file into its individual emails. You can use this to combine the three mbox files into one that is ordered on date. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Dec 17 02:50:32 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 16 Dec 2003 20:50:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] combining archives In-Reply-To: <1071610027.2741.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1071610027.2741.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1071625832.2741.120.camel@localhost.localdomain> Here's another idea that is simpler... use an imap email client and move all three archives onto an imap server, then you can easily grab the emails from each mbox and mix/sort them together using the email client (I use Evolution which easily reads and stores mail in mbox format). Here is an old message from the archives that talks about this method: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg18783.html Here is an example of using formail to do something similar: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/msg20274.html Take care - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 16:27, Jon Carnes wrote: > On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 15:37, Andrzej Kasperowicz wrote: > > How could I combine two or three archives into one (due to moving of the > > lists to a new server)? > > I have the following situation: an old archive made by Mhonarc, an old > > archive made by Mailman, and a new archive made by Mailman (in case of > > some lists there are no new archives, yet). > > Let's also consider the easiest case i.e. having all posts being in unix > > mailbox format file. > > My admin told me that he will combine those archives and set as mailman > > archives only when I tell him exactly how to do it. > > So please, tell me how to do it. > > > > ak > > > > There is a tool called formail that breaks up an mbox format file into > its individual emails. You can use this to combine the three mbox files > into one that is ordered on date. > > Good Luck - Jon Carnes From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Dec 17 03:04:26 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:04:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem In-Reply-To: <20031216201209.GA6804@mail.inet.hr> References: <20031216084001.GA9048@mail.inet.hr> <20031216102616.GI22455@mediadev.com> <20031216093539.GA11702@mail.inet.hr> <20031216171758.GV14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216184139.GA1168@mail.inet.hr> <20031216185201.GZ14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216191032.GA3473@mail.inet.hr> <20031216194107.GB14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216201209.GA6804@mail.inet.hr> Message-ID: <20031217020426.GC14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Gour wrote: > Todd (Freedom_Lover at pobox.com) wrote: > >> Here's a WAG, does it matter that PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL is set before >> DEFAULT_URL_HOST? I don't know how Python handles that. If order >> counts, then PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL would be picking up the hostname from >> what's defined in Defaults.py. If order is irrelevant, then so is >> this whole paragraph. > > Actually, I wrote in such an order, actually it's: > > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.vediclists.net' > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.vediclists.net' > > # Using secure http (SSL) > > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' > > # Public archive URL > > PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'https://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s' > > so it does not apply :-( OK. It was just a guess anyway. >> You might try using dumpdb on a working list and a nonworking list >> to see what differences there are. I would assume that the >> nonworking lists will have the old virtual domain in them >> somewhere. > > I'll do it, and I'm sure that nonworking lists have the old values, > but I'm just wondering how to change them :-) That's not too difficult. Basically, you can use the fix_url.py script as an example of how to create a withlist script to change any list values you need. You can also use config_list to export the list config to a file and then add or edit the value you need and then re-import it using config_list. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it. -- John Hay, 1872 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/37mpuv+09NZUB1oRApnBAJ9cP2i44FQGVFB2usJh5+c0aKhMFgCePaq5 lTLWeVFFtIigHqSqm/qrfB4= =Wge7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From simon at caperet.com Wed Dec 17 10:07:31 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:07:31 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with Config? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031217090731.GA5312@mediadev.com> 16-Dec-03 at 13:18, Bryan Dyson (lan_administrator at solanapres.org) wrote : > I have mailman setup. I'm able to create lists send invitations and > administer the lists via www. The one thing That doesn't seem to work > is when a list member sends to the list. The post never goes to > anyone. Could anyone give me some help with this. This isn't really enough information for us to help. However, the magic 8 ball random possible response today is : "Check that the list is not moderated - have you looked at pending admin requests in the web interface?" Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From ruf at rawip.org Wed Dec 17 10:13:32 2003 From: ruf at rawip.org (Lukas Ruf) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:13:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and https In-Reply-To: <20031124173858.GB18451@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <20031124135557.GH4962@tik.ee.ethz.ch> <20031124173858.GB18451@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20031217091332.GA20412@tik.ee.ethz.ch> > Todd [2003-11-24 18:55]: > > Lukas Ruf wrote: > > I run several mailing list on various virtual hosts with mailman > > 2.1.2 on a Linux 2.4 server. This works just great! (Thanks to the > > developers!). > > > > However, I would like to secure all administrative web-pages by > > https. Searching the web and has not > > really led me to an understanding on how to achieve this. > > Set this in mm_cfg.py: > > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' > > Then restart the qrunners and use the fix_url.py script to update > existing lists. You also need to run bin/arch as well to recreate the > archives if there are attachments in the archives of any lists. > > And see this excellent FAQ entry: > > 4.29. Where can I change a list or the default URL used for the > web interface? > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp > > There's a section on using SSL which links to another FAQ entry which > has more details. Combined, these two entries should answer your > question pretty well. > Thanks for the answer! I have changed the settings. However, when I try running fix_url.py it does not work. I read the FAQ and googled the web... Running fix_url.py resulted in komsys-pc-ruf:/home/mailman/bin# ./withlist -l -r \ /home/mailman/bin/fix_url.py any -u https://www.lpr.ch -v Importing /home/mailman/bin/fix_url... Traceback (most recent call last): File "./withlist", line 275, in ? main() File "./withlist", line 247, in main mod = __import__(module) ImportError: No module named /home/mailman/bin/fix_url Does anyone know what I am doing wrong??? Thanks! wbr, Lukas -- Lukas Ruf | Wanna know anything about raw | | IP? -> | eMail Style Guide: | From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Dec 17 13:06:02 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:06:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and https In-Reply-To: <20031217091332.GA20412@tik.ee.ethz.ch> References: <20031124135557.GH4962@tik.ee.ethz.ch> <20031124173858.GB18451@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217091332.GA20412@tik.ee.ethz.ch> Message-ID: <20031217120602.GJ14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Lukas Ruf wrote: > Thanks for the answer! I have changed the settings. However, when I > try running fix_url.py it does not work. I read the FAQ and googled > the web... > > Running fix_url.py resulted in > > komsys-pc-ruf:/home/mailman/bin# ./withlist -l -r \ > /home/mailman/bin/fix_url.py any -u https://www.lpr.ch -v > Importing /home/mailman/bin/fix_url... > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "./withlist", line 275, in ? > main() > File "./withlist", line 247, in main > mod = __import__(module) > ImportError: No module named /home/mailman/bin/fix_url > > Does anyone know what I am doing wrong??? I'll take a stab at it even though I should know better than to answer anything at this ungodly hour... I think you just need to change your withlist invocation to: ./withlist -l -r fix_url any -u www.lpr.ch -v I'm assuming that 'any' is a real list name. If it's not and you just want to run this for all lists, then the -a/--all option for withlist might be what you want. The reason you just use fix_url instead of the full path to the fix_url script is that the -r option to withlist wants it's argument in the form [module.]callable, not as a path to a file. I also think you don't want to use the https:// with the -u option. You just want to use the FQDN that you would supply to add_virtualhost() in mm_cfg.py. And if www.lpr.ch is the DEFAULT_URL_HOST, you don't even need to use that option at all. You might just have it there from experimenting to see why the withlist call was failing. Hopefully I haven't given you any really bad or incomplete information here. If so, I'll be too busy sleeping soundly now to hear you muttering my name when it doesn't work still. :) - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== I am willing to make the mistakes if someone else is willing to learn from them. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/4Eaouv+09NZUB1oRAqN8AJ9+gLTyzZ0YhWlD2rv6FcvwLoi3gQCgqc6p lCvoyrfDanW0gUR4HH/8Kdc= =pVNv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ruf at rawip.org Wed Dec 17 13:15:55 2003 From: ruf at rawip.org (Lukas Ruf) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:15:55 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and https In-Reply-To: <20031217120602.GJ14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <20031124135557.GH4962@tik.ee.ethz.ch> <20031124173858.GB18451@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217091332.GA20412@tik.ee.ethz.ch> <20031217120602.GJ14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20031217121555.GD20917@tik.ee.ethz.ch> Hi Todd, thanks for the reply. > Todd [2003-12-17 13:06]: > > Lukas Ruf wrote: > > Thanks for the answer! I have changed the settings. However, when I > > try running fix_url.py it does not work. I read the FAQ and googled > > the web... > > > > Running fix_url.py resulted in > > > > komsys-pc-ruf:/home/mailman/bin# ./withlist -l -r \ > > /home/mailman/bin/fix_url.py any -u https://www.lpr.ch -v [...] > > I'll take a stab at it even though I should know better than to answer > anything at this ungodly hour... > well, yeah ,-) > I think you just need to change your withlist invocation to: > > ./withlist -l -r fix_url any -u www.lpr.ch -v > this exactly did, what I expected it to do! > I'm assuming that 'any' is a real list name. that's true. > If it's not and you just want to run this for all lists, then the > -a/--all option for withlist might be what you want. > I assume this is not possible for multiple virtual domains! > > The reason you just use fix_url instead of the full path to the > fix_url script is that the -r option to withlist wants it's argument > in the form [module.]callable, not as a path to a file. > ok, I understand! > I also think you don't want to use the https:// with the -u > option. You just want to use the FQDN that you would supply to > add_virtualhost() in mm_cfg.py. I wanted https to work.... > > And if www.lpr.ch is the DEFAULT_URL_HOST, you don't even need > to use that option at all. You might just have it there from > experimenting to see why the withlist call was failing. > unfortunately, it isn't. > Hopefully I haven't given you any really bad or incomplete > information here. If so, I'll be too busy sleeping soundly now to > hear you muttering my name when it doesn't work still. :) > Have a good sleep! It has worked as expected ;-) Thanks! wbr, Lukas -- Lukas Ruf | Wanna know anything about raw | | IP? -> | eMail Style Guide: | From g.halse at ru.ac.za Wed Dec 17 13:33:12 2003 From: g.halse at ru.ac.za (Guy Antony Halse) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:33:12 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no subjects in pipermail archive listing Message-ID: <20031217123312.GA8786@rucus.ru.ac.za> Recently several of the mailing lists we run have developed a strange problem when generating the pipermail web archive pages. For a period of about ten days or so, all mail messages posted to the mailing list appear in the web archive with a subject of "No subject". When I view the actual messages through the web, they're not complete - in most cases the first few lines of the message are missing, and in some cases the entire message is. If I copy the relevent mbox for the list and open it using my mail client (mutt), it opens fine and it appears as if all the mail messages are complete. mutt indexes it as I remember the actual postings being, complete with subjects. The same is true of all lists that have this problem. I suspected that the indexes were corrupt, and so I ran arch --wipe on the list to rebuild the archive in the hopes that it would fix the problem. Unfortunately it didn't. We're running mailman 2.1.3 with the July 2003 RSS feed patches from http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=657951&group_id=103&atid=300103 Any help or suggestions people might give that will help me regenerate the archive indexes properly would be appreciated. - guy -- Systems Manager, IT Division, Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa Email: G.Halse at ru.ac.za Web: http://mombe.org/ IRC: rm-rf at irc.zanet.net *** ANSI Standard Disclaimer *** J.A.P.H From Dieter.Ripp at gmx.de Wed Dec 17 15:22:17 2003 From: Dieter.Ripp at gmx.de (Dieter Ripp) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:22:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email To Field should contain the real destination address Message-ID: Hallo all The "To" field of the received mail from the mailing list contains always the name of the mailing list. But we want the real receiver email address. How can I solve this requirements. Thanks in advance Dieter Ripp From jsingh at fdu.edu Wed Dec 17 17:27:11 2003 From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:27:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade from 2.0.13 Message-ID: <001c01c3c4ba$a295bff0$570bee84@FDUJACK> Hey guys How difficult is the upgrade from 2.0.13 to the latest and do you suggest upgrading it ? I mean what are the big benefits ? Thanks Jaskaran Singh University Systems & Security Fairleigh Dickinson University 1000 River Road, Mail Stop TBH1-01 Teaneck, NJ 07666 From gour at mail.inet.hr Wed Dec 17 17:27:25 2003 From: gour at mail.inet.hr (Gour) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:27:25 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem In-Reply-To: <20031217020426.GC14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <20031216084001.GA9048@mail.inet.hr> <20031216102616.GI22455@mediadev.com> <20031216093539.GA11702@mail.inet.hr> <20031216171758.GV14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216184139.GA1168@mail.inet.hr> <20031216185201.GZ14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216191032.GA3473@mail.inet.hr> <20031216194107.GB14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216201209.GA6804@mail.inet.hr> <20031217020426.GC14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20031217162725.GA4184@mail.inet.hr> Todd (Freedom_Lover at pobox.com) wrote: > That's not too difficult. Basically, you can use the fix_url.py > script as an example of how to create a withlist script to change any > list values you need. You can also use config_list to export the list > config to a file and then add or edit the value you need and then > re-import it using config_list. I have tried wiht config_list and there was nothing suspicious in non-working list. Then I had a flash of light and checked one thing: whether the archive is public or private (I'm using mailman+htdig patches) and, believe it or not, all the non-working list had 'public' radio-button checked. By selecting 'private archives', all the lists have correct url. By de-selecting 'private' and going back to 'public', again all the lists have wrong url. I'll try to further investigate this mistery, but maybe someone can drop some fresh light :-) Sincerely, Gour -- Gour gour at mail.inet.hr Registered Linux User #278493 From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Dec 17 18:04:36 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:04:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem In-Reply-To: <20031217162725.GA4184@mail.inet.hr> References: <20031216102616.GI22455@mediadev.com> <20031216093539.GA11702@mail.inet.hr> <20031216171758.GV14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216184139.GA1168@mail.inet.hr> <20031216185201.GZ14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216191032.GA3473@mail.inet.hr> <20031216194107.GB14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216201209.GA6804@mail.inet.hr> <20031217020426.GC14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217162725.GA4184@mail.inet.hr> Message-ID: <20031217170436.GK14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Gour wrote: > I have tried wiht config_list and there was nothing suspicious in > non-working list. config_list doesn't output every list setting. Using dumpdb you might find where the bad url is stored. Then you can add that to a config_list output file, change the value to what you want and re-import it with config_list. > Then I had a flash of light and checked one thing: whether the > archive is public or private (I'm using mailman+htdig patches) and, > believe it or not, all the non-working list had 'public' > radio-button checked. By selecting 'private archives', all the lists > have correct url. > > By de-selecting 'private' and going back to 'public', again all the > lists have wrong url. It seems like there would have to be something messed up with the PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL setting then. If not that, then there is some value stored in the config.pck file that's holding the old URL. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Conscience: the inner voice which warns us that someone may be looking. -- H. L. Mencken -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/4Iykuv+09NZUB1oRAs73AJ9bODWD/O8KQ1wnpHvrlduLCKhIygCgto1V suCsSJJqD0K5p1XRt1qi/bA= =gg4c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gour at mail.inet.hr Wed Dec 17 19:25:42 2003 From: gour at mail.inet.hr (Gour) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:25:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem In-Reply-To: <20031217170436.GK14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <20031216093539.GA11702@mail.inet.hr> <20031216171758.GV14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216184139.GA1168@mail.inet.hr> <20031216185201.GZ14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216191032.GA3473@mail.inet.hr> <20031216194107.GB14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216201209.GA6804@mail.inet.hr> <20031217020426.GC14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217162725.GA4184@mail.inet.hr> <20031217170436.GK14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20031217182542.GA8993@mail.inet.hr> Todd (Freedom_Lover at pobox.com) wrote: > config_list doesn't output every list setting. Using dumpdb you might > find where the bad url is stored. Then you can add that to a > config_list output file, change the value to what you want and > re-import it with config_list. dumpdb shows that everything is clean. > It seems like there would have to be something messed up with the > PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL setting then. If not that, then there is some > value stored in the config.pck file that's holding the old URL. I'll check (again) with PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL, but what about config.pck? Anything can be done? Sincerely, Gour -- Gour gour at mail.inet.hr Registered Linux User #278493 From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Dec 17 20:04:46 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:04:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem In-Reply-To: <20031217182542.GA8993@mail.inet.hr> References: <20031216171758.GV14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216184139.GA1168@mail.inet.hr> <20031216185201.GZ14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216191032.GA3473@mail.inet.hr> <20031216194107.GB14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216201209.GA6804@mail.inet.hr> <20031217020426.GC14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217162725.GA4184@mail.inet.hr> <20031217170436.GK14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217182542.GA8993@mail.inet.hr> Message-ID: <20031217190446.GW14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Gour wrote: > dumpdb shows that everything is clean. Hmmmm. > I'll check (again) with PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL, but what about > config.pck? If you don't see the old URL in config.pck using dumpdb, then the URL has to be getting picked up from the general mailman config, either in mm_cfg.py or Defaults.py, I would think. The function that returns the archive URL is GetBaseArchiveURL() in $prefix/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py. It consults VIRTUAL_HOSTS, so what sort of things have you defined for VIRTUAL_HOSTS (most likely using the add_virtualhost() call)? Here's a quick little python script that will print out the keys from VIRTUAL_HOSTS: #! /usr/bin/python2 import paths from Mailman import mm_cfg for k, v in mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOSTS.items(): print k I saved this in $prefix/bin/vhosts.py and ran it to get a list of what's on my test system. > Anything can be done? Another WAG, but are there any apache directives that might be affecting the URL's here? If you don't find anything in the Mailman config that's inserting the old URL, that's the next place I'd look, though it seems unlikely. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== If the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/4KjOuv+09NZUB1oRApjKAJ4gamk+iyefn7gySaShrxqdpy20aQCff6Qu y5COk56Xqin9W7rPu8f+CQY= =fnv2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Dec 17 20:25:57 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:25:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and https In-Reply-To: <20031217121555.GD20917@tik.ee.ethz.ch> References: <20031124135557.GH4962@tik.ee.ethz.ch> <20031124173858.GB18451@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217091332.GA20412@tik.ee.ethz.ch> <20031217120602.GJ14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217121555.GD20917@tik.ee.ethz.ch> Message-ID: <20031217192557.GY14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Lukas Ruf wrote: > Todd [2003-12-17 13:06]: [...] >> If it's not and you just want to run this for all lists, then the >> -a/--all option for withlist might be what you want. > > I assume this is not possible for multiple virtual domains! No, I wouldn't think it would do what you wanted in that case. :) >> I also think you don't want to use the https:// with the -u >> option. You just want to use the FQDN that you would supply to >> add_virtualhost() in mm_cfg.py. > > I wanted https to work.... That part gets picked up from DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN. You said later that it worked as expected, so I assume that means even the https part. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it. -- George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/4K3Fuv+09NZUB1oRAgH1AKCkHXmQmWLL/I2iQfiBVxJbyBNNEwCg7cp7 2Z7vFw0bwAhj9DvTHndLetE= =VI7L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gour at mail.inet.hr Wed Dec 17 20:27:32 2003 From: gour at mail.inet.hr (Gour) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:27:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem In-Reply-To: <20031217190446.GW14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <20031216184139.GA1168@mail.inet.hr> <20031216185201.GZ14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216191032.GA3473@mail.inet.hr> <20031216194107.GB14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216201209.GA6804@mail.inet.hr> <20031217020426.GC14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217162725.GA4184@mail.inet.hr> <20031217170436.GK14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217182542.GA8993@mail.inet.hr> <20031217190446.GW14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20031217192732.GA12655@mail.inet.hr> Todd (Freedom_Lover at pobox.com) wrote: > If you don't see the old URL in config.pck using dumpdb, then the URL > has to be getting picked up from the general mailman config, either in > mm_cfg.py or Defaults.py, I would think. There is nothing like that and why should private url work? > Here's a quick little python script that will print out the keys from > VIRTUAL_HOSTS: Thank you very much for the script. Its results is showing what is expected, i.e. one of the virtual hosts is the one - www.virtualdomain.com which is showed for lists.domain.com public archive. > Another WAG, but are there any apache directives that might be > affecting the URL's here? If you don't find anything in the Mailman > config that's inserting the old URL, that's the next place I'd look, > though it seems unlikely. I'll take a look or ask for a help. The question remains: why private URL is OK, while publis is messed up. Any thing maybe with htdig patches? Sincerely, Gour -- Gour gour at mail.inet.hr Registered Linux User #278493 From cjackson at avaki.com Wed Dec 17 20:39:16 2003 From: cjackson at avaki.com (Christopher Jackson) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:39:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML messages in list archives Message-ID: <007801c3c4d5$74b60570$700a10ac@greed> I'm not sure if this has been discussed, but my searches have not turned up the appropriate results. My users send HTML formatted mail from Microsoft Outlook XP SP-2 clients. Content filtering is off since enabling it prevents messages from being delivered at all; however, when looking at the mailing list archive the message is stripped to the point of being useless. For example, if I send a simple HTML formatted text message with the subject "Testing (post1)" and the body text as just my signature block (as shown in this message after the "--") all is good. As soon as the HTML message gets more complicated (e.g. contains images, text formatting using HTML tags, etc.) the following is returned in the archive: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 1241 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.avaki.com/pipermail/mailman/attachments/20031217/131436d3/attachment.jpg I don't see any notice of discard in /usr/local/mailman/logs/vette and the message is delivered to list members. Is there anyway to have all parts of the message converted to plain text? My mm_cfg.py is as follows: DEFAULT_URL = 'http://mailman.avaki.com/mailman/' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mailman.avaki.com' DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'avaki.com' SMTPHOST = 'bastion01.avaki.com' SMTPPORT = 25 MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner at avaki.com' DEFAULT_ARCHIVE = On DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE = 1 ARCHIVE_SCRUBBER = 'Mailman.Handlers.Scrubber' ARCHIVE_HTML_SANITIZER = 3 USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = No DEFAULT_SUBJECT_PREFIX = "[%(real_name)s] " DEFAULT_MSG_HEADER = "" DEFAULT_MSG_FOOTER = "" SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 800 -- Christopher Jackson IT Manager Avaki Corporation Office: 781.272.3331x2104 Fax: 781.272.8444 From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Dec 17 21:21:11 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:21:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem In-Reply-To: <20031217192732.GA12655@mail.inet.hr> References: <20031216185201.GZ14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216191032.GA3473@mail.inet.hr> <20031216194107.GB14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216201209.GA6804@mail.inet.hr> <20031217020426.GC14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217162725.GA4184@mail.inet.hr> <20031217170436.GK14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217182542.GA8993@mail.inet.hr> <20031217190446.GW14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217192732.GA12655@mail.inet.hr> Message-ID: <20031217202111.GA14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Gour wrote: > Todd (Freedom_Lover at pobox.com) wrote: > >> If you don't see the old URL in config.pck using dumpdb, then the >> URL has to be getting picked up from the general mailman config, >> either in mm_cfg.py or Defaults.py, I would think. > > There is nothing like that and why should private url work? The private archive url uses a different method to create the URL, bypassing the VIRTUAL_HOSTS list. You can take a look at the code in Archiver.py where GetBaseArchiveURL() is defined to see the difference in how the URL's are determined. > Thank you very much for the script. Its results is showing what is > expected, i.e. one of the virtual hosts is the one - > www.virtualdomain.com which is showed for lists.domain.com public > archive. What are the emailhost values you are using for your add_virtualhost() calls? That plays a role in determining which urlhost value is used (don't ask me to fully explain it as I'd have to guess a little to even try :). Perhaps you could post all your add_virtualhost() calls from mm_cfg.py. That might help someone spot something useful. > Any thing maybe with htdig patches? I can't say no for sure since I don't have the htdig patches installed, but Richard Barrett knows mailman much better than I do and I can't imagine his patches would mess this up and not get noticed by him or one of the many folks that use them. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Damn you vile woman, you've impeded my work since the day I escaped your vile womb! -- Stewie Griffin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/4Lq3uv+09NZUB1oRAk2rAKC3TPkFFFGqmxo+h0PzPfY61QVhYACfZzfr BYVVew49R0kTN6BD8CG4wTI= =RV9Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gour at mail.inet.hr Wed Dec 17 21:57:05 2003 From: gour at mail.inet.hr (Gour) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:57:05 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem In-Reply-To: <20031217202111.GA14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <20031216191032.GA3473@mail.inet.hr> <20031216194107.GB14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216201209.GA6804@mail.inet.hr> <20031217020426.GC14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217162725.GA4184@mail.inet.hr> <20031217170436.GK14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217182542.GA8993@mail.inet.hr> <20031217190446.GW14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217192732.GA12655@mail.inet.hr> <20031217202111.GA14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20031217205705.GA15968@mail.inet.hr> Todd (Freedom_Lover at pobox.com) wrote: > The private archive url uses a different method to create the URL, > bypassing the VIRTUAL_HOSTS list. You can take a look at the code in > Archiver.py where GetBaseArchiveURL() is defined to see the difference > in how the URL's are determined. OK. Clear. > What are the emailhost values you are using for your add_virtualhost() > calls? That plays a role in determining which urlhost value is used > (don't ask me to fully explain it as I'd have to guess a little to > even try :). > > Perhaps you could post all your add_virtualhost() calls from > mm_cfg.py. That might help someone spot something useful. DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.domain.com' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.domain.com' VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) add_virtualhost('www.virtualdomain1.com','lists.domain.com') add_virtualhost('www.virtualdomain2.com','lists.domain.com') > I can't say no for sure since I don't have the htdig patches > installed, but Richard Barrett knows mailman much better than I do and > I can't imagine his patches would mess this up and not get noticed by > him or one of the many folks that use them. Yes, Richard is always very helpful and keeps his patches up to date .. Sincerely, Gour -- Gour gour at mail.inet.hr Registered Linux User #278493 From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Dec 17 23:05:39 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:05:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem In-Reply-To: <20031217205705.GA15968@mail.inet.hr> References: <20031216194107.GB14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031216201209.GA6804@mail.inet.hr> <20031217020426.GC14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217162725.GA4184@mail.inet.hr> <20031217170436.GK14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217182542.GA8993@mail.inet.hr> <20031217190446.GW14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217192732.GA12655@mail.inet.hr> <20031217202111.GA14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217205705.GA15968@mail.inet.hr> Message-ID: <20031217220538.GB14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Gour wrote: > Todd (Freedom_Lover at pobox.com) wrote: > >> Perhaps you could post all your add_virtualhost() calls from >> mm_cfg.py. That might help someone spot something useful. > > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.domain.com' > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.domain.com' > > VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() > add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) > add_virtualhost('www.virtualdomain1.com','lists.domain.com') > add_virtualhost('www.virtualdomain2.com','lists.domain.com') All right. I see now. When you look at the code for GetBaseArchiveURL(), you see that it inverts the VIRTUAL_HOST dictionary (or is it a list?) and uses emailhost as the key. So with the emailhost the same for all virtual hosts, the inv dictionary only has one value for the key 'lists.domain.com' and it will be whichever one was returned last in the for loop. Can you set the virtual hosts up more like this? VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) add_virtualhost('www.virtualdomain1.com','virtualdomain1.com') add_virtualhost('www.virtualdomain2.com','virtualdomain2.com') Then use the fix_url script to update the lists and I *think* that will result in the right url getting used for your archives. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Wisdom has two parts: (1) having a lot to say and (2) not saying it. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/4NMtuv+09NZUB1oRAsgyAKCrlTKuafkx4coHBksHzjqaSnbDKgCgpIMn YHtA3rKWhEAfIN9goVEPeVE= =weAw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mailings at good-it.com Wed Dec 17 23:53:00 2003 From: mailings at good-it.com (mailings at good-it.com) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:53:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authorise by batch Message-ID: <200312172353.00582.mailings@good-it.com> Hi all, I am not really a Python programmer and i do have problem. I want to make a closed mailinglist and authorize aprox. a few hundred users to mail to this list. You can imagine i don't wanna do this via the GUI. Does someone has a example script how i can authorise a list of email adresses to mail to a specific mailinglist? Thanks in advance for your assistance! -- Kind Regards / Met vriendelijke groet, Johan From gour at mail.inet.hr Wed Dec 17 23:44:30 2003 From: gour at mail.inet.hr (Gour) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:44:30 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem In-Reply-To: <20031217220538.GB14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <20031216201209.GA6804@mail.inet.hr> <20031217020426.GC14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217162725.GA4184@mail.inet.hr> <20031217170436.GK14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217182542.GA8993@mail.inet.hr> <20031217190446.GW14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217192732.GA12655@mail.inet.hr> <20031217202111.GA14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217205705.GA15968@mail.inet.hr> <20031217220538.GB14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20031217224430.GA20219@mail.inet.hr> Todd (Freedom_Lover at pobox.com) wrote: Hi Todd! Fortunately I did not bet on Apache :-) > All right. I see now. When you look at the code for > GetBaseArchiveURL(), you see that it inverts the VIRTUAL_HOST > dictionary (or is it a list?) and uses emailhost as the key. So with > the emailhost the same for all virtual hosts, the inv dictionary only > has one value for the key 'lists.domain.com' and it will be whichever > one was returned last in the for loop. Can you set the virtual hosts > up more like this? > > VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() > add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) > add_virtualhost('www.virtualdomain1.com','virtualdomain1.com') > add_virtualhost('www.virtualdomain2.com','virtualdomain2.com') > > Then use the fix_url script to update the lists and I *think* that > will result in the right url getting used for your archives. YES!! It works. I'd never come to this. Thank you VERY much. But, can I bet that it's a Mailman bug since I assume that the setup which I had, should work? Sincerely, Gour -- Gour gour at mail.inet.hr Registered Linux User #278493 From ddjones at riddlemaster.org Wed Dec 17 23:54:40 2003 From: ddjones at riddlemaster.org (Dan Jones) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:54:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Block domain Message-ID: <1071701680.25504.1697.camel@merlin.riddlemaster.org> I want to block all mail from a specific domain. Under Privacy options/sender filters, in the box marked "List of non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically discarded" I put ^domain.com. This should be a simple regular expression that will always match the domain name, but I still get emails that a posts from whatever at domain.com needs authorization, and I have to go in and delete it. Why doesn't this work, and what does work? From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Thu Dec 18 00:11:24 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:11:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem In-Reply-To: <20031217224430.GA20219@mail.inet.hr> References: <20031217020426.GC14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217162725.GA4184@mail.inet.hr> <20031217170436.GK14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217182542.GA8993@mail.inet.hr> <20031217190446.GW14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217192732.GA12655@mail.inet.hr> <20031217202111.GA14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217205705.GA15968@mail.inet.hr> <20031217220538.GB14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217224430.GA20219@mail.inet.hr> Message-ID: <20031217231124.GC14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Gour wrote: > Todd (Freedom_Lover at pobox.com) wrote: [...] >> All right. I see now. When you look at the code for >> GetBaseArchiveURL(), you see that it inverts the VIRTUAL_HOST >> dictionary (or is it a list?) and uses emailhost as the key. So with >> the emailhost the same for all virtual hosts, the inv dictionary only >> has one value for the key 'lists.domain.com' and it will be whichever >> one was returned last in the for loop. Can you set the virtual hosts >> up more like this? >> VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() >> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) >> add_virtualhost('www.virtualdomain1.com','virtualdomain1.com') >> add_virtualhost('www.virtualdomain2.com','virtualdomain2.com') >> Then use the fix_url script to update the lists and I *think* that >> will result in the right url getting used for your archives. > > YES!! It works. I'd never come to this. Thank you VERY much. Cool. Not a problem. I learned a few things in the process. > But, can I bet that it's a Mailman bug since I assume that the setup > which I had, should work? It might just be more like a mis-feature. :) As near as I can tell, the reason the lookup for the urlhost is done this way is that emailhost is really the only part of that pair that is stored in the config.pck file. This could be worked around if there was also a urlhost value stored there, but I would bet that Barry and the other Mailman developers do it this way for a reason. I'd have to go back and look at a config file from the 2.0 days to see if this has changed from mm2.0 to mm2.1. I know that the web GUI used to have a way to edit the web_page_url value and that was removed because it made it too easy for people to break their lists oh so conveniently and then it required a site admin to use the command line to correct it. I suppose if it really bugs you, you might be able to add a urlhost value to the config.pck file and then modify the GetBaseArchiveURL() call to look for it instead of using the current method. How much work that might entail or if it would have some unforeseen drawbacks, I don't know. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== The reason we have elected officials is so that we don't have to think for ourselves. -- Homer Simpson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/4OKcuv+09NZUB1oRAgqcAKDIW0z+ngg4cJ2qbTqErEJdDLcWigCguqc3 dkZZL9pnq+Yn3GdyDtusYfk= =d15x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Thu Dec 18 00:13:57 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:13:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Block domain In-Reply-To: <1071701680.25504.1697.camel@merlin.riddlemaster.org> References: <1071701680.25504.1697.camel@merlin.riddlemaster.org> Message-ID: <20031217231357.GD14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dan Jones wrote: > I want to block all mail from a specific domain. Under Privacy > options/sender filters, in the box marked "List of non-member addresses > whose postings will be automatically discarded" I put ^domain.com. This > should be a simple regular expression that will always match the domain > name, but I still get emails that a posts from whatever at domain.com needs > authorization, and I have to go in and delete it. Why doesn't this > work, and what does work? That regex only matches if the address begins with domain.com. You might want something more like @domain.com$ or possibly .*@domain.com$ (I don't know if the former works in mailman's sender filters or not. I haven't tried it). - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. -- John F. Kennedy, 1962 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/4OM1uv+09NZUB1oRAvArAJ4lIB32+w2FJNeWyo0F1ol77083IACfVj75 9/i3DZuZY4RavItlCP2ybUA= =tsqE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cjackson at avaki.com Thu Dec 18 00:16:41 2003 From: cjackson at avaki.com (Christopher Jackson) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:16:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Block domain In-Reply-To: <1071701680.25504.1697.camel@merlin.riddlemaster.org> Message-ID: <000e01c3c4f3$dec3d960$0401a8c0@greed> If I'm not mistaken, ^ in regex means 'start's with' so what you are saying is anything that starts with domain.com should be dropped. I think you want something more like .*@domain.com or *@domain.com. I could be wrong though... -- Christopher Jackson IT Manager Avaki Corporation Office: 781.272.3331x2104 Fax: 781.272.8444 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Jones [mailto:ddjones at riddlemaster.org] > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 5:55 PM > To: Mailman Mailing List > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Block domain > > > I want to block all mail from a specific domain. Under > Privacy options/sender filters, in the box marked "List of > non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically > discarded" I put ^domain.com. This should be a simple > regular expression that will always match the domain name, > but I still get emails that a posts from whatever at domain.com > needs authorization, and I have to go in and delete it. Why > doesn't this work, and what does work? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailma> n-users > Mailman > FAQ: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%> 40python.org/ > > This > message was sent to: cjackson at avaki.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/cjackson% 40avaki.com From l.michalski at ant.gliwice.pl Tue Dec 16 14:09:16 2003 From: l.michalski at ant.gliwice.pl (=?iso-8859-2?q?=A3ukasz=20Michalski?=) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:09:16 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] broken mails from "Internet Mail Service(5.5.2656.59)" Message-ID: <200312161409.16931.l.michalski@ant.gliwice.pl> Simon White wrote: > Yes there IS a way to do it with Outlook. Or Outlook Express. You can > set Plain Text settings for the outgoing email (Tools, Options, Send > format) and make sure that it is not encoded at all, or use Base64 or QP > as you wish, you can specify the character encoding (ISO-8859-2 or > whatever) and MIME options. No, there is NO way to do it if Outlook is connected as Exchange client. All settings from send format are silently ignored. Registry settings too. Mail format depends only on exchange sever settings. > I wouldn't use Outlook if you paid me, but if you have to use it because > of corporate policy or masochistic tendancies, then you can tame it a > little bit to behave in an almost civil fashion. I don't have to, subscribed users have, and as I wrote above, they cannot configure anything in it. They of course don't have access to exchange server settings and contacting exchange server admins is useless, so I need another way. Regards, ?ukasz From daking at dak1.net Tue Dec 16 22:54:12 2003 From: daking at dak1.net (Douglas King) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:54:12 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator access..... Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031216155352.03349d88@mail.dak1.net> How does one set up a ver 2.x mail list where a moderator can have a separate login. I have looked numerous times through the web pages, and the FAQ's, help files, and docs on the list.org site. Nothing mention anything about the URL for the moderators, and how they log in. Here is what I have done so far: I have created a new list. Entered both an e-mail address for a Admin and a moderator (2 different addresses). I have gone to the change password page and entered a password for admin and moderator. I log out and try to log in as moderator....tells me login failed. What am I missing? Help! TIA From ddjones at riddlemaster.org Thu Dec 18 00:25:45 2003 From: ddjones at riddlemaster.org (Dan Jones) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:25:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Block domain In-Reply-To: <20031217231357.GD14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <1071701680.25504.1697.camel@merlin.riddlemaster.org> <20031217231357.GD14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <1071703544.25507.1748.camel@merlin.riddlemaster.org> On Wed, 2003-12-17 at 18:13, Todd wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dan Jones wrote: > > I want to block all mail from a specific domain. Under Privacy > > options/sender filters, in the box marked "List of non-member addresses > > whose postings will be automatically discarded" I put ^domain.com. This > > should be a simple regular expression that will always match the domain > > name, but I still get emails that a posts from whatever at domain.com needs > > authorization, and I have to go in and delete it. Why doesn't this > > work, and what does work? > > That regex only matches if the address begins with domain.com. You > might want something more like @domain.com$ or possibly .*@domain.com$ > (I don't know if the former works in mailman's sender filters or not. > I haven't tried it). You're saying that because the caret is a beginning of line anchor? The web page says: "In the text boxes below, add one address per line; start the line with a ^ character to designate a Python regular expression. When entering backslashes, do so as if you were using Python raw strings (i.e. you generally just use a single backslash)." I took that to mean that the caret was a flag to mailman indicating a regex, and would not be seen by the regex engine. I'll try a regex which assumes the caret is passed as a normal beginning-of-line anchor. From jim.gammon at gammontech.com Wed Dec 17 16:30:53 2003 From: jim.gammon at gammontech.com (Jim Gammon) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:30:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help Please Message-ID: I am sorry to ask for help, but I cannot figure out one tiny problem. Some spamer has gotten ahold of our email address and is sending spam. Mailman stops it, but sends it to me for approval/reject/discard. Is there a way to NOT accept non-subscribers mail at all? JimG Powered by the E-mail PIM - Info Select - www.miclog.com From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Thu Dec 18 00:33:43 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:33:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help Please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031217233343.GF14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jim Gammon wrote: > Some spamer has gotten ahold of our email address and is sending > spam. Mailman stops it, but sends it to me for > approval/reject/discard. > > Is there a way to NOT accept non-subscribers mail at all? In Mailman 2.1 you can set the default action for non-members to discard. See Privacy Options -> Sender Filters. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Experience is not what happens to a man. It is what a man does with what happens to him. -- Aldous Huxley -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/4OfXuv+09NZUB1oRAkfRAKD3/95kOZrQh9EbI3Njd1xmlg+fiwCgozeP 10Gu4XbMvnmzIj/QpVMqmxY= =7wiJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Thu Dec 18 00:38:12 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:38:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Block domain In-Reply-To: <1071703544.25507.1748.camel@merlin.riddlemaster.org> References: <1071701680.25504.1697.camel@merlin.riddlemaster.org> <20031217231357.GD14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <1071703544.25507.1748.camel@merlin.riddlemaster.org> Message-ID: <20031217233812.GG14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dan Jones wrote: > On Wed, 2003-12-17 at 18:13, Todd wrote: [...] >> That regex only matches if the address begins with domain.com. You >> might want something more like @domain.com$ or possibly .*@domain.com$ >> (I don't know if the former works in mailman's sender filters or not. >> I haven't tried it). > > You're saying that because the caret is a beginning of line anchor? That was what immediately jumped out at me... > The web page says: "In the text boxes below, add one address per > line; start the line with a ^ character to designate a Python > regular expression. ...but maybe I should read more before I start typing. :) > I took that to mean that the caret was a flag to mailman indicating > a regex, and would not be seen by the regex engine. I'll try a > regex which assumes the caret is passed as a normal > beginning-of-line anchor. Well, again without having tried this and risking that I'm wasting your time (and exposing my ignorance :), perhaps a pattern like this will work? ^.*@domain\.com$ - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== I am grateful that I am not as judgmental as all those censorious, self-righteous people around me. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/4Ojkuv+09NZUB1oRAvlzAJ9GgFVVnnjhBEBU4I41r2QK8oBK6QCgrtaV V1HcoZsKExLCIfcjp7IJ8k0= =WWI3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From robs at pdx.edu Thu Dec 18 01:37:38 2003 From: robs at pdx.edu (Rob Saul) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:37:38 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] To, Sender, Return-Path, and Errors-To headers all have wrong host name Message-ID: <615664F5-30F2-11D8-A302-000393A5858C@pdx.edu> I've been scouring the FAQ and list archives trying to find a solution. I've got mailman set up on a host that I using virtual hosting on. Incoming mail is handled by sendmail using the mm_handler from contrib. email flows in and out just fine. Problem is the headers To, Sender, Return-Path, and Errors-To all have the real host name instead of the vhost name. I've been fiddling various settings trying to change this without any luck. Any hints? ~Rob From joelbrownstein at computer.org Thu Dec 18 08:30:10 2003 From: joelbrownstein at computer.org (Joel Brownstein) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 02:30:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Panther??? Message-ID: <02EC318C-312C-11D8-B7B9-0030657EE8A8@computer.org> On Mac OS X Server 10.3 (Panther) the installed location of mailman is /var/mailmain and that includes the /data directory; but not the /bin directory. From ruf at rawip.org Thu Dec 18 08:58:55 2003 From: ruf at rawip.org (Lukas Ruf) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:58:55 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and https In-Reply-To: <20031217192557.GY14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <20031124135557.GH4962@tik.ee.ethz.ch> <20031124173858.GB18451@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217091332.GA20412@tik.ee.ethz.ch> <20031217120602.GJ14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217121555.GD20917@tik.ee.ethz.ch> <20031217192557.GY14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20031218075855.GD32029@tik.ee.ethz.ch> > Todd [2003-12-17 20:26]: > > > I wanted https to work.... > > That part gets picked up from DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN. You said later > that it worked as expected, so I assume that means even the https > part. yes! wbr, Lukas -- Lukas Ruf | Wanna know anything about raw | | IP? -> | eMail Style Guide: | From ruf at rawip.org Thu Dec 18 10:09:03 2003 From: ruf at rawip.org (Lukas Ruf) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:09:03 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where to change the content of mailman/listinfo Message-ID: <20031218090903.GC2033@tik.ee.ethz.ch> Dear all, is there any location, where I can change the content of the mailman/listinfo? And if so, where and how? Said differently, I assume all web-pages displayed can be adjusted according to ones personal wish. Is there a generally applied concept behind? Pardon me for asking this question without having searched the web before, but I am lacking time.... Thanks in advance! wbr, Lukas -- Lukas Ruf | Wanna know anything about raw | | IP? -> | eMail Style Guide: | From simon at caperet.com Thu Dec 18 09:11:04 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:11:04 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] broken mails from "Internet Mail Service(5.5.2656.59)" In-Reply-To: <200312161409.16931.l.michalski@ant.gliwice.pl> References: <200312161409.16931.l.michalski@ant.gliwice.pl> Message-ID: <20031218081104.GA22763@mediadev.com> 16-Dec-03 at 14:09, ?ukasz Michalski (l.michalski at ant.gliwice.pl) wrote : > > Yes there IS a way to do it with Outlook. Or Outlook Express. You can > > set Plain Text settings for the outgoing email (Tools, Options, Send > > format) and make sure that it is not encoded at all, or use Base64 or QP > > as you wish, you can specify the character encoding (ISO-8859-2 or > > whatever) and MIME options. > > No, there is NO way to do it if Outlook is connected as Exchange client. All > settings from send format are silently ignored. Registry settings too. Mail > format depends only on exchange sever settings. I don't run Exchange, thankfully, so I don't know whether this is changeable client side or not. I will happily take your word for it. So, you don't have a lot of choice. Exchange is completely broken; this is just another way that it is broken to add to my list. You can but adopt the only solution, putting up a web page that explains why people's email is not readable and linking it at the bottom of your mailing list footer, for example. Cheers, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From navinkumar at mirage-shipping.com Thu Dec 18 13:35:53 2003 From: navinkumar at mirage-shipping.com (Navin Kumar) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:35:53 +0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating html pages in email formats References: Message-ID: <03ce01c3c563$880fd900$02dedede@NAVIN> Dear Sirs, Creating an HTML page as email format is very easy in the Yahoo and other sites. , whereas in the Mailman this option is not seen. Kindly advise how we can create html email and send directly instead of an attachment. Best regards, Navin Kumar ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:02 PM Subject: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 15, Issue 20 > Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to > mailman-users at python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mailman-users-request at python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > mailman-users-owner at python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Today's Topics: > > 1. Mailman on Panther??? (R. A. Hettinga) > 2. Re: Mailman on Panther??? (Todd) > 3. Re: Mailman on Panther??? (R. A. Hettinga) > 4. Re: Mailman on Panther??? (Paul Bertain) > 5. RTFRM? (was Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Panther???) > (R. A. Hettinga) > 6. In a pickle (Simon White) > 7. Re: In a pickle (Jon Carnes) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From lj at mandala-designs.com Thu Dec 18 13:58:59 2003 From: lj at mandala-designs.com (ljacobs ) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:58:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with Mailman 2.1.3 Message-ID: <200312180758.AA121897540@mandala-designs.com> I upgraded to Mailman 2.1.3 on RH Linux running python 2.2.2 and Postfix 2.0.14 and am having a problem. None of my legit mail is getting out. It is failing with an error reported in the logs/smtp-failure as "delivery to anyone at domain.tld failed with code -1". I had been running Mailman 2.1 with no problem but when I upgraded I did move the directory to /usrt/local/mailman and set up (what I think is) the mods for postfix/Mailman integration. data/aliases are setup correctly and the web interface is working fine. What is missing that should be obvious? Thanks for any help and advice. ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMessaging system at mandala-designs.com --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From simon at caperet.com Thu Dec 18 14:49:19 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:49:19 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating html pages in email formats In-Reply-To: <03ce01c3c563$880fd900$02dedede@NAVIN> References: <03ce01c3c563$880fd900$02dedede@NAVIN> Message-ID: <20031218134919.GK22763@mediadev.com> 18-Dec-03 at 16:35, Navin Kumar (navinkumar at mirage-shipping.com) wrote : > Creating an HTML page as email format is very easy in the Yahoo and other > sites. , whereas in the Mailman this option is not seen. > > Kindly advise how we can create html email and send directly instead of an > attachment. Yahoo is a web based email service. Mailman is a list manager. The two do not have too much common functionality. If you want to write email in HTML format (I'd rather have plain text but some people can't live without bold and italics because they can't write proper sentences with emphasis where needed in choice of vocabulary) then you can do this with any one of a number of email clients such as Pegasus Mail, Thunderbird, or (dare I say it) Outlook Express. All of which are free. If you wish a free product to write email in HTML format, then look at Open Webmail. http://openwebmail.luxmi.net/download/screenshots/composemsg_html.gif Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From gour at mail.inet.hr Thu Dec 18 16:52:02 2003 From: gour at mail.inet.hr (Gour) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:52:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re-creating list archive - old List-Archive problem In-Reply-To: <20031217231124.GC14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <20031217162725.GA4184@mail.inet.hr> <20031217170436.GK14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217182542.GA8993@mail.inet.hr> <20031217190446.GW14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217192732.GA12655@mail.inet.hr> <20031217202111.GA14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217205705.GA15968@mail.inet.hr> <20031217220538.GB14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20031217224430.GA20219@mail.inet.hr> <20031217231124.GC14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20031218155202.GA30057@mail.inet.hr> Todd (Freedom_Lover at pobox.com) wrote: > Cool. Not a problem. I learned a few things in the process. I'm glad there was some value in it. > I suppose if it really bugs you, you might be able to add a urlhost > value to the config.pck file and then modify the GetBaseArchiveURL() > call to look for it instead of using the current method. How much > work that might entail or if it would have some unforeseen drawbacks, > I don't know. No problem. I can live with this mis-feature :-) Sincerely, Gour -- Gour gour at mail.inet.hr Registered Linux User #278493 From Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org Thu Dec 18 18:58:22 2003 From: Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org (Staven Bruce) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:58:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom HTML Header Message-ID: <0DFFBE2E899E804E9A5710F7071224381E7E4A@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> I am trying to add a custom header to the Mailman HTML pages. I would like to have this header included every time a list is created. This will save having to hack the code for every list we create. I've looked through the HMTLFormatter.py script and the htmlformat.py script, but I cannot tell where exactly I need to insert my code, or even if I'm looking in the right place. Has anyone done this before? Does anyone have any suggestions? From gagel at cnc.bc.ca Thu Dec 18 20:12:16 2003 From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (gagel at cnc.bc.ca) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:12:16 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman drops extension of attachment Message-ID: <3fe1fc10.180.954.15268@cnc.bc.ca> We just sent out a message to our employees. There calling because they can't open the pdf attachment. Looking at it, it looks like the .pdf part is missing from the attachment name in the message. If you know what to do you can open the attachment. But the browser does not know what to do with it and most of our users don't either. Is there a fix for this? Suggestions, ideas? ==================== Kevin W. Gagel Network Administrator (250) 561-5848 local 448 (250) 562-2131 local 448 -------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. -------------------------------------------------------------- From mspriggs at speakeasy.net Fri Dec 19 02:33:17 2003 From: mspriggs at speakeasy.net (Martin Spriggs) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:33:17 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] errors using -request address Message-ID: <00c801c3c5d0$141cd850$9601a8c0@imagestudiogateway> When I send commands to the -request address I get an email back that says: There were problems with the email commands you sent to Mailman via the administrative address . To obtain instructions on valid Mailman email commands, send email to with the word "help" in the subject line or in the body of the message. If you want to reach the human being that manages this mailing list, please send your message to . The following is a detailed description of the problems. ***** lists But in then goes on to provide the information I requested, namely (in this case) the lists. Very peculiar. Any thoughts? Martin A. Spriggs From duncan at lydbury.co.uk Fri Dec 19 11:00:47 2003 From: duncan at lydbury.co.uk (Duncan Baker - Lydbury English Centre) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:00:47 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] errors using -request address In-Reply-To: <00c801c3c5d0$141cd850$9601a8c0@imagestudiogateway> References: <00c801c3c5d0$141cd850$9601a8c0@imagestudiogateway> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031219095914.0263f218@pop3.lydbury.co.uk> I've just started using Mailman and I get nothing at all if I send to the -request address. It just comes through as a straight email to my default domain address and doesn't seem to trigger Mailman at all. Grateful for any thoughts on that. Running on an NT server if that makes any diffference. Best Duncan At 01:33 19/12/2003, you wrote: >When I send commands to the -request address I get an email back that says: > > > >There were problems with the email commands you sent to Mailman via the >administrative address . > > > >To obtain instructions on valid Mailman email commands, send email to > with the word "help" in the subject line or in the >body of the message. > > > >If you want to reach the human being that manages this mailing list, please >send your message to . > > > >The following is a detailed description of the problems. > > > > > >***** lists > > > > > >But in then goes on to provide the information I requested, namely (in this >case) the lists. Very peculiar. Any thoughts? > > > >Martin A. Spriggs > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: duncan at lydbury.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/duncan%40lydbury.co.uk From reduzirgastos at teleinfor.com.br Fri Dec 19 13:17:55 2003 From: reduzirgastos at teleinfor.com.br (reduzirgastos at teleinfor.com.br) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:17:55 -0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] TELEINFOR Message-ID: <3FE2EC73.303@teleinfor.com.br> Reduzir suas contas telef?nica em 50% , seu pagamento ser? a aquantia que fizemos voc? economizar. ____________________________________________________________ http://www.teleinfor.com.br reduzir contas de telefone j?! ____________________________________________________________ From darwin at desktopengineer.com Fri Dec 19 15:25:22 2003 From: darwin at desktopengineer.com (darwin at desktopengineer.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:25:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Verify that all users receive an email? Message-ID: <200312191424.hBJEOu732240@server1.enterprisedesktop.com> I imported a list of 8000 users and send an html email to the list. It is a newsletter (announcement only) type list. I received an especially low number of banner impressions on this first send and suspect that mailman did not complete properly. How would I find out? Is there a log? Also, is the list processed alphabetically? (thinking of putting zzzz at domain.com on the list to see if it completes). D. ___________________________ Darwin J Sanoy Principal Consultant and Trainer DesktopEngineer.com DesktopEngineerTraining.com From simon at caperet.com Fri Dec 19 15:41:19 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:41:19 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Verify that all users receive an email? In-Reply-To: <200312191424.hBJEOu732240@server1.enterprisedesktop.com> References: <200312191424.hBJEOu732240@server1.enterprisedesktop.com> Message-ID: <20031219144119.GM5022@mediadev.com> 19-Dec-03 at 09:25, darwin at desktopengineer.com (darwin at desktopengineer.com) wrote : > I imported a list of 8000 users and send an html email to the list. It is a > newsletter (announcement only) type list. > > I received an especially low number of banner impressions on this first send > and suspect that mailman did not complete properly. How many of your users are likely to have an HTML email client? How many of them are running an HTML email client which blocks inline images unless they specifically ask for them? I know a lot of users who dislike getting HTML email and especially ad banners. Whatever the email client, javascript will not work on a high percentage, nor will IFRAMEs which are often filtered as viruses. > How would I find out? Is there a log? The mail server has a log, and there are logs in $prefix/logs. > Also, is the list processed alphabetically? (thinking of putting > zzzz at domain.com on the list to see if it completes). Don't know. -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From info at way2market.com Fri Dec 19 16:41:15 2003 From: info at way2market.com (way2market.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:11:15 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <001001c3c646$8d0f8200$fd00a8c0@user3> We have around 30 mail id for our employees, One administrator Mail is also there, We want that whenever any mail goes out or comes in from any mailbox, the administrator should get a copy of same to keep track of all the records of office data. Can you suggest the steps to do the same From simon at caperet.com Fri Dec 19 16:43:58 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:43:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <001001c3c646$8d0f8200$fd00a8c0@user3> References: <001001c3c646$8d0f8200$fd00a8c0@user3> Message-ID: <20031219154358.GP5022@mediadev.com> 19-Dec-03 at 21:11, way2market.com (info at way2market.com) wrote : > We have around 30 mail id for our employees, One administrator Mail is > also there, We want that whenever any mail goes out or comes in from > any mailbox, the administrator should get a copy of same to keep track > of all the records of office data. Can you suggest the steps to do the Mailman is a list manager, and keeps archives of everything. These are available in the web interface. It sounds however that you want _all_ email to be subject to these rules, which is in the domain of your mail server software (MTA). It's possible with Postfix but that's off topic for this list. Ethically you should let all employees and all external contacts know that an admin is receiving copies of their email. It's perhaps even illegal unless people know about it in some countries. -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Dec 19 17:12:54 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:12:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] errors using -request address In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031219095914.0263f218@pop3.lydbury.co.uk> References: <00c801c3c5d0$141cd850$9601a8c0@imagestudiogateway> <6.0.0.22.0.20031219095914.0263f218@pop3.lydbury.co.uk> Message-ID: <20031219161254.GY14532@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Duncan Baker - Lydbury English Centre wrote: > I've just started using Mailman and I get nothing at all if I send > to the -request address. It just comes through as a straight email > to my default domain address and doesn't seem to trigger Mailman at > all. Grateful for any thoughts on that. Running on an NT server if > that makes any diffference. I'd guess you either don't have the mailman aliases for the list you are sending to installed correctly or you have some catchall that is taking precedence. Check the logs of your MTA, there might be some clues there. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Politics is the business of tinkering with other people's lives. -- Nolan Neathercutt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/4yOGuv+09NZUB1oRAsknAJ4tXvmQOHMd+e7zYafrxMuKwSvY7QCgm42v q3YW6O70R7IfDFgOhLYQGPU= =4s1R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From info at way2market.com Fri Dec 19 17:14:32 2003 From: info at way2market.com (way2market.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:44:32 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) References: <001001c3c646$8d0f8200$fd00a8c0@user3> <20031219154358.GP5022@mediadev.com> Message-ID: <002901c3c64b$33b36eb0$fd00a8c0@user3> pls. describe "which is in the domain of your mail server software (MTA)" Where is {MTA} specified ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon White" To: Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) > 19-Dec-03 at 21:11, way2market.com (info at way2market.com) wrote : > > We have around 30 mail id for our employees, One administrator Mail is > > also there, We want that whenever any mail goes out or comes in from > > any mailbox, the administrator should get a copy of same to keep track > > of all the records of office data. Can you suggest the steps to do the > > Mailman is a list manager, and keeps archives of everything. These are > available in the web interface. > > It sounds however that you want _all_ email to be subject to these > rules, which is in the domain of your mail server software (MTA). It's > possible with Postfix but that's off topic for this list. > > Ethically you should let all employees and all external contacts know > that an admin is receiving copies of their email. It's perhaps even > illegal unless people know about it in some countries. > > -- > Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. > email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access > Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: info at way2market.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/info%40way2market.com > > From simon at caperet.com Fri Dec 19 17:17:57 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:17:57 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <002901c3c64b$33b36eb0$fd00a8c0@user3> References: <001001c3c646$8d0f8200$fd00a8c0@user3> <20031219154358.GP5022@mediadev.com> <002901c3c64b$33b36eb0$fd00a8c0@user3> Message-ID: <20031219161757.GS5022@mediadev.com> 19-Dec-03 at 21:44, way2market.com (info at way2market.com) wrote : > pls. describe > "which is in the domain of your mail server software (MTA)" > Where is {MTA} specified Message Transfer Agent - Like Postfix, Sendmail, QMail, Exim, or Exchange -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From mailings at good-it.com Fri Dec 19 18:13:14 2003 From: mailings at good-it.com (mailings at good-it.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:13:14 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] config_db hangs for specific mailinglist Message-ID: <200312191813.14744.mailings@good-it.com> Hi all, I was using config_db in a script to update several mailinglists. But now one of the mailinglists can be updated anymore. When i start the command for that specific list i "hangs". I also can't login to the admin interface of that specific list; it hangs also. Does anyone has a clue what can be wrong? I cheched already the mailinglist with check_db but everything seems fine there. Any (quick) help would be appreciated! -- Kind Regards / Met vriendelijke groet, Johan Barelds From timothymorge at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 19 16:56:31 2003 From: timothymorge at sbcglobal.net (Timothy Morge) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:56:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman question Message-ID: <20031219155631.39671.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> Good morning. I am using a list via Mailman 2.1.2 on a web server that is run by a company for me. Where can I find a list of the subscribers and their passwords--what directory and file would they be in? I want to clone this list of logins and passwords and generate a login/password security for some members-only web pages on the same server. Thanks. I love the list. We have had NO problems with it at all and actually get NO support from our web hosts. Happy holidays! Tim Morge From john.nakamura at neustar.biz Thu Dec 18 00:54:47 2003 From: john.nakamura at neustar.biz (Nakamura, John) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:54:47 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cleaning up several six year old lists with many questionable e-m ail addresses Message-ID: List members, I inherited several industry e-mail lists (up to 500 members) that were started ~six years ago. I'm sure many of the member addresses are no longer valid, however explicit bounces are not being sent back and therefore the bounce option in Mailman is not being invoked. Any suggestions on sending out a notice to the list requiring them to "opt-in" to stay on the list? Obviously, I don't want them to respond specifically to me, such that I have to deal with 500+ individual e-mail responses. Thank you. John M. Nakamura NeuStar, Inc. 46000 Center Oak Plaza Sterling, VA 20166 From mspriggs at speakeasy.net Fri Dec 19 02:31:18 2003 From: mspriggs at speakeasy.net (Martin Spriggs) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:31:18 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] errors using -request address Message-ID: <00c301c3c5cf$cd0d2a00$9601a8c0@imagestudiogateway> When I send commands to the -request address I get an email back that says: There were problems with the email commands you sent to Mailman via the administrative address . To obtain instructions on valid Mailman email commands, send email to with the word "help" in the subject line or in the body of the message. If you want to reach the human being that manages this mailing list, please send your message to . The following is a detailed description of the problems. ***** lists But in then goes on to provide the information I requested, namely (in this case) the lists. Very peculiar. Any thoughts? Martin A. Spriggs From justink at rochester.rr.com Fri Dec 19 13:57:01 2003 From: justink at rochester.rr.com (Justin Kirby) Date: 19 Dec 2003 07:57:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] auto discard solution Message-ID: <1071838620.2797.57.camel@dev> The Problem: I have been moderating a variety of mailman lists for a while, mostly members only. The spam wasn't too bad starting off, but now its to the point where there are 150+ spams sitting in queue per day. I very quickly got sick of clicking discard 150+ times a day. So I requested permission to hack mailman. Of course the admin said no. All I wanted to do was change the default selection from Defer to Discard making my life a lot less tedious. The Solution: Bookmarklets, they are cool little javascript things insert into bookmarks on your browser. See tip#47 on http://www.mozillatips.com/ orhttp://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/ for more info. So here is an html doc that will let you create a bookmarklet. 1. Save this to an html file. 2. Open it in mozilla/firebird (are there any other browsers?) 3. Rightclick on "Discard All" and select Bookmark Link 4. Goto mailman admin queue 5. Click bookmark Discard All I have also set a keyword for the Discard All bookmark. So now all I have to do is enter "discard" into mozilla's url bar and all emails in the queue are changed to discard. Very very very handy. I has only been tested on mailman 2.0.4 and 2.1.3 ymmv with other versions. So I hope this solution is helpful/useful for some of you. Justin From info999 at rediffmail.com Fri Dec 19 16:25:15 2003 From: info999 at rediffmail.com (Pankaj) Date: 19 Dec 2003 15:25:15 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <20031219152515.2020.qmail@webmail6.rediffmail.com> We have around 30 mail id for our employees, One administrator Mail is also there, We want that whenever any mail goes out or comes in from any mailbox, the administrator should get a copy of same to keep track of all the records of office data. Can you suggest the steps to do the same From gebser at speakeasy.net Fri Dec 19 22:05:01 2003 From: gebser at speakeasy.net (gebser at speakeasy.net) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:05:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Config Error: TypeError: not all arguments converted Message-ID: Hey, group, I'm thinking this may be a bug, but I wanted to run it by the people here. I just did a new install of mailman v.2.0.13-1 on a redhat v.7.2 system. The install went fine, the configuration part, however, not so good. When editing Mailman/mm_cfg.py and then running bin/check_perms, I get the following error: # bin/check_perms Traceback (innermost last): File "bin/check_perms", line 46, in ? from Mailman import mm_cfg File "/var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 62, in ? DEFAULT_URL = 'http://www.mydomain.net/mailman/' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME TypeError: not all arguments converted (Of course "mydomain" is standing in for a valid domain name, one of three virtual domains listed in my apache configuration. All three virtual domains are working fine.) What is causing this error? Thanks, ken From gagel at cnc.bc.ca Fri Dec 19 19:34:08 2003 From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (gagel at cnc.bc.ca) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:34:08 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shell meta-characters Message-ID: <3fe344a0.112.ae0.27799@cnc.bc.ca> Can someone tell me if the mailman 2.1.3 sendmail interface is safe from addresses that contain shell meta-characters? ==================== Kevin W. Gagel Network Administrator (250) 561-5848 local 448 (250) 562-2131 local 448 -------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. -------------------------------------------------------------- From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Dec 19 20:44:44 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 19 Dec 2003 14:44:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman question In-Reply-To: <20031219155631.39671.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031219155631.39671.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1071863084.2689.111.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-12-19 at 10:56, Timothy Morge wrote: > Good morning. > > I am using a list via Mailman 2.1.2 on a web server that is run by a company for me. > > Where can I find a list of the subscribers and their passwords--what directory and file would they be in? I want to clone this list of logins and passwords and generate a login/password security for some members-only web pages on the same server. > > Thanks. I love the list. We have had NO problems with it at all and actually get NO support from our web hosts. > > Happy holidays! > > Tim Morge Tim, This is descibed in an FAQ and even contains a nice script to setup the password lists. > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Good Luck - Jon Carnes From paulokappke at cyclades.com Fri Dec 19 19:11:19 2003 From: paulokappke at cyclades.com (Paulo R Kappke) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:11:19 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripping Subjects - still happening Message-ID: <3FE33F47.2070609@cyclades.com> Hello All, Sorry guys, but I am becoming crazy with problem, I can not find a solution. Something very weird is happening with my Mailman. When someone sends an e-mail to a mailing list and put a long subject, 60 or 70 characters, the e-mail is being received with the prefix ("[list-name]") only. Looks like Mailman is stripping the subject. I am running Mailman version 2.1.1 in a RedHat 9 box. I am looking for some possible fix. Thank you, Paulo Kappke From steen at loecke.dk Sat Dec 20 08:59:51 2003 From: steen at loecke.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Steen_L=F8cke?=) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:59:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Members in a list - where to find? Message-ID: Hi! I'm new to Linux and Mailman so please help me :) I want to find the file where all members in a list is stored, because I need it to documentation. I have search my system but no luck :-/ Are there a way to print out members, maybe from the webinterface? Best regards Steen -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.209 / Virus Database: 261.5.1 - Release Date: 18-12-2003 From mrbill at mrbill.net Sat Dec 20 16:54:29 2003 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:54:29 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail template strangeness Message-ID: <20031220155429.GC21700@mrbill.net> I've got a strange one here. (mm 2.1.3, Python 2.3) I can modify the following files in templates/en/, and have the changes applied to the list archive pages (/pipermail//) when I run "arch" and manually regenerate the archive pages. I added banner ads and removed the "download the entire mbox" link. archidxhead.html archtoc.html article.html emptyarchive.html etc. However, when a post gets *automatically* added to the archive pages, such as when someone posts to a list, the HTML pages generated are the "old" style pages, with no ads and the index has the mbox download link again. So, "arch" uses the files in templates/en/, but then those files aren't getting used when mailman is automatically archiving posts as they come through. Any ideas? Bill -- bill bradford mrbill at mrbill.net austin, texas From mrbill at mrbill.net Sat Dec 20 17:39:13 2003 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:39:13 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail template strangeness In-Reply-To: <20031220155429.GC21700@mrbill.net> References: <20031220155429.GC21700@mrbill.net> Message-ID: <20031220163913.GG21700@mrbill.net> On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 09:54:29AM -0600, Bill Bradford wrote: >So, "arch" uses the files in templates/en/, but then those files aren't getting > used when mailman is automatically archiving posts as they come through. Solution: stopped mailman, got rid of all .pyc files, restarted. Bill -- bill bradford mrbill at mrbill.net austin, texas From michael at mmwis.com Sat Dec 20 17:56:52 2003 From: michael at mmwis.com (= Michael Aivaliotis =) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:56:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] avoiding - x@no.mail - addresses from newsgroup In-Reply-To: <20031216191032.GA3473@mail.inet.hr> Message-ID: I've setup a gateway and receive emails from a newsgroup. The gateway was setup via a 3rd party website so I am not using mailman's built-in gateway feature. In any case, some postings from users on the newsgroups have x at no.mail for they're reply-to address. This is fine, however it becomes annoying when someone does a reply-to-all from my list since the emails bounce back as invalid for that user. Does anybody have any ideas? I was thinking of enabling the stripping of reply-to address and replacing with the list address. However, I still want valid emails to show-up. Is there a way to selectivly replace the x at no.mail with my list address? Thank You Michael From eric at ericsaul.net Sat Dec 20 18:40:40 2003 From: eric at ericsaul.net (eric at ericsaul.net) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:40:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and HTML Emails Message-ID: <3390.171.75.114.8.1071942040.squirrel@www.ericsaul.net> I'm working for a Theater Company and they need a way to contact members and/or ticket buyers via email. I hooked up with Mailman through a host provider. I figured out how to created an announce-only list, upload our member's names, etc. It works pretty great! Question: Can you send the list html email? The theater company wants to send html emails, and I seem to be having a problem doing this? Also, can you recommend a program which can send html emails? Thanks, Eric Saul p.s. sorry if this is a resend... From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Dec 20 18:54:06 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 20 Dec 2003 12:54:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Members in a list - where to find? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1071942845.2763.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2003-12-20 at 02:59, Steen L?cke wrote: > Hi! > > I'm new to Linux and Mailman so please help me :) I want to find the file > where all members in a list is stored, because I need it to documentation. I > have search my system but no luck :-/ > Are there a way to print out members, maybe from the webinterface? > > Best regards > Steen Read the FAQ. You can get the list from the command line: ~mailman/bin/list_members You can send a note to -request and include the who command You can look on the web-admin and see all the members Jon Carnes From darwin at desktopengineer.com Fri Dec 19 20:09:29 2003 From: darwin at desktopengineer.com (darwin at desktopengineer.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:09:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Verify that all users receive an email? In-Reply-To: <20031219144119.GM5022@mediadev.com> Message-ID: <200312191909.hBJJ93702789@server1.enterprisedesktop.com> Not really looking for sermons on HTML email here. 100% of my users have HTML email because they opted in as HTML email and have been receiving it for quite some time. It is a long forgotten idea that people don't have HTML mail capability or don't like HTML email. I do not have a $prefix/log directory. Is it because I am on 2.0.13 of mailman or do I need to enable it somehow? D. -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+darwin=desktopengineer.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+darwin=desktopengineer.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Simon White Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:41 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Verify that all users receive an email? 19-Dec-03 at 09:25, darwin at desktopengineer.com (darwin at desktopengineer.com) wrote : > I imported a list of 8000 users and send an html email to the list. > It is a newsletter (announcement only) type list. > > I received an especially low number of banner impressions on this > first send and suspect that mailman did not complete properly. How many of your users are likely to have an HTML email client? How many of them are running an HTML email client which blocks inline images unless they specifically ask for them? I know a lot of users who dislike getting HTML email and especially ad banners. Whatever the email client, javascript will not work on a high percentage, nor will IFRAMEs which are often filtered as viruses. > How would I find out? Is there a log? The mail server has a log, and there are logs in $prefix/logs. > Also, is the list processed alphabetically? (thinking of putting > zzzz at domain.com on the list to see if it completes). Don't know. -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: darwin at desktopengineer.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/darwin%40desktopenginee r.com From skylos at dogpawz.com Sun Dec 21 01:26:34 2003 From: skylos at dogpawz.com (Skylos) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 16:26:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling Owner Address Obscuring (not for archives) Message-ID: Greetings, I've been trying to answer this question by researching on the list archives, web, and code itself, but haven't been able to find the answer. Question: How do you remove the -owner obfucation of the owner's address from the page footers? Actions taken: Modified Default.py's 'DEFAULT_OBSCURE_ADDRESSES' to 'No' - Result: no discernable change Background: Currently, there is a list on a machine that I administrate. (debian packaged mailman 2.1.3) The list owner desires that when the 'burmese at furrynevada.org' text is clicked that instead of sending it to 'fnv-owner at furrynevada.org' it goes directly to 'burmese at furrynevada.org'. At first, I said this is silly, he's just being irrational. All the mailman lists do it with the -owner link, don't they? There are ALOT of mailman lists out there. So I scanned a sample to find out if my presumption was true. Sadly, its not. I found several that are displaying as my boss wants his to. http://lists.essential.org/mailman/listinfo/am-info http://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/security-announce/ (version 2.0.13) http://lists.netsys.com/mailman/listinfo/full-disclosure http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf (version 2.0) http://lists.essential.org/mailman/listinfo/corp-focus https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn So a variety of versions displaying exactly what I want to say is impossible. :/ On the upside, the ones that say what version are lower versions than mine. I looked into the code, and from what it appeared to be doing was substituting into a template eventually utilizing a GetListAddress(owner) function that never could return anything but 'fnv-owner at furrynevada.org' per the formatting string. Huh. Thoughts? Do I get to tell my boss NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT! (I love doing that) or do I have to say, "you're right, it could be done and I've fixed it". (I hate that.) Thanks for your help, mailman-user peoples! Skylos - skylos at doglover.com - The best part about the internet is nobody knows you're a dog. (Peter Stiener, The New Yorker, July 5, 1993) - Dogs like... TRUCKS! (Nissan commercial, 1996) - PGP key: http://dogpawz.com/skylos/mykey.asc From gebser at speakeasy.net Sun Dec 21 04:05:06 2003 From: gebser at speakeasy.net (gebser at speakeasy.net) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 22:05:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and HTML Emails In-Reply-To: <3390.171.75.114.8.1071942040.squirrel@www.ericsaul.net> Message-ID: Your question is a little ambiguous, so here's several answers: If you mean a web interface for users to send email, squirrelmail. As far as servers are concerned, there's no difference between mail in plain text and in html. Clients will need appropriate software though. If you mean a mail client to send/receive email, mozilla is free, full-functioned, robust, and works great. (I say this, even though it's my third or fourth favorite mail client.) hth, ken At 12:40 (UTC-0500) on Sat, 20 Dec 2003 eric at ericsaul.net said: = I'm working for a Theater Company and they need a way to contact members = and/or ticket buyers via email. I hooked up with Mailman through a host = provider. I figured out how to created an announce-only list, upload our = member's names, etc. It works pretty great! = = Question: Can you send the list html email? The theater company wants to = send html emails, and I seem to be having a problem doing this? = = Also, can you recommend a program which can send html emails? = = Thanks, = Eric Saul = = p.s. sorry if this is a resend... = = = = ------------------------------------------------------ = Mailman-Users mailing list = Mailman-Users at python.org = http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users = Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py = Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ = = This message was sent to: gebser at speakeasy.net = Unsubscribe or change your options at = http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/gebser%40speakeasy.net = From peter at nest-consultants.com.au Sun Dec 21 05:33:58 2003 From: peter at nest-consultants.com.au (Peter Read) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:33:58 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Interface for Admin - lost Message-ID: <000901c3c77b$a6c06f80$0501a8c0@memphisbelle> Hi All, Someone reported that our web address for the our lists was incorrect. Considering I have to fix mailman about once every 3 years (great program) I changed the url for one list. I have created a problem now that I cannot access the Admin Web page for this list. I have searched the archives and have not found an answer. I do not have fix_url.py in my build. I am using version 2.0.10 on FreeBSD 4.3 Any help appreciated thx peter From gebser at speakeasy.net Sun Dec 21 13:13:41 2003 From: gebser at speakeasy.net (gebser at speakeasy.net) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 07:13:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to enable traceback? Message-ID: While trying to configure a new mailman install, I'm getting an error message on the mailman webpage (.../mailman/listinfo) which says: Bug in Mailman version 2.0.13 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. How do we uninhibit a traceback? Or, if someone knows why I'm getting this error, I'll take that too. Thanks From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Dec 21 16:23:35 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 21 Dec 2003 10:23:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to enable traceback? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1072020215.2693.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2003-12-21 at 07:13, gebser at speakeasy.net wrote: > While trying to configure a new mailman install, I'm getting an error > message on the mailman webpage (.../mailman/listinfo) which says: > > > Bug in Mailman version 2.0.13 > > We're sorry, we hit a bug! > > Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of > traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, > but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. > > > How do we uninhibit a traceback? > > Or, if someone knows why I'm getting this error, I'll take that too. > > > Thanks > This is a very common problem and is most likely a configuration problem. If you installed from source then look at your web server and find out which group it runs as, then run the ./configure with the switch: --with-cgi-gid= This is well documented in Mailman's README files. After you resolve that problem you may wish to look in the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py From simon at caperet.com Mon Dec 22 09:05:25 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:05:25 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Verify that all users receive an email? In-Reply-To: <200312191909.hBJJ93702789@server1.enterprisedesktop.com> References: <20031219144119.GM5022@mediadev.com> <200312191909.hBJJ93702789@server1.enterprisedesktop.com> Message-ID: <20031222080525.GA28666@mediadev.com> 19-Dec-03 at 14:09, darwin at desktopengineer.com (darwin at desktopengineer.com) wrote : > Not really looking for sermons on HTML email here. 100% of my users have > HTML email because they opted in as HTML email and have been receiving it > for quite some time. It is a long forgotten idea that people don't have > HTML mail capability or don't like HTML email. > > I do not have a $prefix/log directory. Is it because I am on 2.0.13 of > mailman or do I need to enable it somehow? > > I received an especially low number of banner impressions on this > > first send and suspect that mailman did not complete properly. Well, if they opted for HTML email, fine. I was giving valid reasons why even with an HTML client, the banner impressions might be low, depending on whether or not you use javascript or IFRAME tags to display the banner, or perhaps load it from a web page. These types of banner inclusion are insecure and may be rejected by a number of HTML email readers. Now, my opinion on HTML is my opinion; I wasn't giving you a sermon I was stating my distaste with it. That's my right. I was also trying to help you pinpoint avenues of research as to why your HTML email did not get you a lot of banner impressions. As far as I am concerned, it is not a "long forgotten" idea that people don't like HTML email, because some people still don't like it. We may be in the minority now, but that doesn't mean we're not entitled to our opinions. You may find with spam and viruses on the increase, that corporate policies start rejecting HTML email, attachments, images... I send out HTML email myself (the marketing department can't do anything but HTML, even for those who specifically request plain text) and see it happening in bounces. You may have been looking for a way to find out how many emails actually went out - I gave you the log directory for that. You should have a log directory, maybe it's hidden somewhere else; you could also check your mail server logs. Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From bodo at royalbunker.de Mon Dec 22 15:04:02 2003 From: bodo at royalbunker.de (Bodo) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:04:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] worm Sober.c was sent to all users of our mailinglist Message-ID: <3FE6F9D2.10608@royalbunker.de> Hi, I created an "announce-only" mailing list with every subscriber being moderated so that only we could post to the list. This is the configuration: Privacy Option -> Sender filters default_member_moderation = yes member_moderation_action = reject generic_nomember_action = reject Of Course all members are moderated. We use mailman 2.1.1-4 (shipped with RedHat 9). When we send messages to the list we use in the first line Approved: Password However, yesterday the new Sober.c Worm was sent four times to all users of our list. I have no idea how this could happen, obviously the worm was not able to put our password in the first line. Has anyone any idea what happened? Did anyone have a similar experience? Thanks, Bodo From johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Mon Dec 22 15:25:42 2003 From: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu (Chris Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:25:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] admindb cgi functions don't work. Message-ID: Hi. I've updated to mailman 2.1.3 on my rh7.3 system. The lists work. Most of the admin functions work. Check_perms says everything is ok. However, the functions available from the admindb CGI don't work. They didn't in 2.1-8 either. There seems to be no error log I can locate. I know admindb is running because I moved it and the Web server complained, so it is looking at the right CGI. But it doesn't do any of the four available status changes when I try them on any message in any list. This would seem to indicate a systemic problem in the CGI. The group ownership is correct as is the SGID setting. Are there any diagnostics I can turn on in mailman? Does anyone have ANY clue what might be going on here? I have a backlog of held messages I'd very much like to clear up. Help GREATLY appreciated. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 149 (2301) 13th Street |"Life is chaos. Chaos is life. Control is an Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA | illusion." Trance Gemini ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From darwin at desktopengineer.com Mon Dec 22 15:29:57 2003 From: darwin at desktopengineer.com (darwin at desktopengineer.com) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:29:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Verify that all users receive an email? In-Reply-To: <53C6E6D6-3321-11D8-BA20-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> Message-ID: <200312221429.hBMETZ813657@server1.enterprisedesktop.com> I am actually not speaking for myself on HTML email - but over 8000 list users that voluntarily signup to receive it. It is a Redhat 2.1AS RPM. This is RedHat's new Enterprise Series distribution with extended life errata (5 years) and up2date support for automatically updating the distribution for security vulnerabiliities. I like the idea overall - but it does result in them building custom RPMs that are back patched. So I am running 2.0.13, but it may have critical vunerability patches up to the most recent version. All that being said, I would hope they would not be into disabling major features such as logging. Thanks, D. ___________________________ Darwin J Sanoy Principal Consultant and Trainer DesktopEngineer.com DesktopEngineerTraining.com -----Original Message----- From: Dan Phillips [mailto:dhphllps at memphis.edu] Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 2:19 PM To: darwin at desktopengineer.com Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Verify that all users receive an email? On Dec 19, 2003, at 1:09 PM, darwin at desktopengineer.com wrote: > It is a long forgotten idea that people don't... like HTML email Speak for yourself on that one! ;-) I hate it. > I do not have a $prefix/log directory. Is it because I am on 2.0.13 > of mailman or do I need to enable it somehow? > What OS and how was it installed? It's a standard part of any mailman installation installed from source, including 2.0.x. Don't know if some rpms do things differently. It is logs, not log, if that makes any difference, and should be in the same directory as bin, archives, cron, data, etc. Dan From jose at ovillo.org Mon Dec 22 15:46:42 2003 From: jose at ovillo.org (jose florido) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:46:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with bounces Message-ID: <044801c3c89a$6a5c79b0$02001aac@NUEVO> Hello, I'm new at administering a mailman list and I'm having problems with bounces. Every time someone write to the list I receive lots of mails notificating bounces. after receiving them I enter the administrative interface and I find checked the nomail check box with reason [B] and then I uncheck it. I don't know wether the people having bounces are receiving email from the list or not even after my having unchecked the box. can anybody help me? thanks in advance :) I enclose below the error email I'm receiving: P.d: I apologize for my english mistakes. -------------------------------------------- This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: xxx at xxx.net unrouteable mail domain "xxxxxx.net" .......... (nearly all subscribers are in this list) ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ Return-path: Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=canario.hospedajededicado.com) by canario.hospedajededicado.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AYL0d-0006DN-VA; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:01:47 +0100 Received: from [213.4.129.135] (helo=tnetsmtp2.mail.isp) by canario.hospedajededicado.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AYKv1-00063k-Na for ovillo at ovillo.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:55:59 +0100 Received: from NUEVO ([80.34.134.231]) by tnetsmtp2.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id HQAE1B00.MHG for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:55:59 +0100 Message-ID: <003701c3c861$16e67210$02001aac at NUEVO> From: "jose florido" To: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:56:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:01:46 +0100 Cc: Subject: [Ovillo] Feliz Navidad X-BeenThere: Ovillo at ovillo.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: jose florido List-Id: Lista de distribucion sobre CSS, Web standards, accesibilidad, etc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: Ovillo-bounces at ovillo.org Errors-To: Ovillo-bounces at ovillo.org ?Feliz navidad y prospero a?o! A ver si este a?o los reyes nos traen portatiles para todos :D --------------------------------------- Jose Florido - Administrador de Ovillo _______________________________________________ Ovillo mailing list Ovillo at ovillo.org http://ovillo.org/mailman/listinfo/ovillo_ovillo.org From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Dec 22 16:32:37 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 22 Dec 2003 10:32:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admindb cgi functions don't work. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1072107157.2719.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 09:25, Chris Johnson wrote: > Hi. > > I've updated to mailman 2.1.3 on my rh7.3 system. The lists > work. Most of the admin functions work. Check_perms says everything > is ok. However, the functions available from the admindb CGI don't > work. They didn't in 2.1-8 either. There seems to be no error log I > can locate. I know admindb is running because I moved it and the Web > server complained, so it is looking at the right CGI. But it doesn't > do any of the four available status changes when I try them on any > message in any list. This would seem to indicate a systemic problem > in the CGI. The group ownership is correct as is the SGID setting. > > Are there any diagnostics I can turn on in mailman? Does anyone > have ANY clue what might be going on here? I have a backlog of held > messages I'd very much like to clear up. > > Help GREATLY appreciated. I've seen this a few times, most often when the webserver using a redirect for the URL. Also, make sure that you have the python2-dev rpm installed. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Dec 22 16:37:46 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 22 Dec 2003 10:37:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Verify that all users receive an email? In-Reply-To: <200312221429.hBMETZ813657@server1.enterprisedesktop.com> References: <200312221429.hBMETZ813657@server1.enterprisedesktop.com> Message-ID: <1072107466.2719.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 09:29, darwin at desktopengineer.com wrote: > I am actually not speaking for myself on HTML email - but over 8000 list > users that voluntarily signup to receive it. > > It is a Redhat 2.1AS RPM. This is RedHat's new Enterprise Series > distribution with extended life errata (5 years) and up2date support for > automatically updating the distribution for security vulnerabiliities. I > like the idea overall - but it does result in them building custom RPMs that > are back patched. So I am running 2.0.13, but it may have critical > vunerability patches up to the most recent version. > > All that being said, I would hope they would not be into disabling major > features such as logging. > > Thanks, > D. > > ___________________________ > Darwin J Sanoy > Principal Consultant and Trainer > DesktopEngineer.com > DesktopEngineerTraining.com > I worked on a RH 2.1AS last week and used the updated Python2 rpms to upgrade the site to Mailman 2.1.3. It worked fine. There is nothing wrong with HTML email, though most admin folks prefer content over form (and value brevity). Jon Carnes From johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Mon Dec 22 16:59:33 2003 From: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu (Chris Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:59:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] admindb cgi functions don't work. In-Reply-To: <1072107157.2719.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 22 Dec 2003, Jon Carnes wrote: > On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 09:25, Chris Johnson wrote: > > Hi. > > > > I've updated to mailman 2.1.3 on my rh7.3 system. The lists > > work. Most of the admin functions work. Check_perms says everything > > is ok. However, the functions available from the admindb CGI don't > > work. They didn't in 2.1-8 either. There seems to be no error log I > > can locate. I know admindb is running because I moved it and the Web > > server complained, so it is looking at the right CGI. But it doesn't > > do any of the four available status changes when I try them on any > > message in any list. This would seem to indicate a systemic problem > > in the CGI. The group ownership is correct as is the SGID setting. > > > > Are there any diagnostics I can turn on in mailman? Does anyone > > have ANY clue what might be going on here? I have a backlog of held > > messages I'd very much like to clear up. > > > > Help GREATLY appreciated. > > I've seen this a few times, most often when the webserver using a > redirect for the URL. Also, make sure that you have the python2-dev rpm > installed. > > Good Luck - Jon Carnes > I have python2-2.2.2-11.7.3 python2-devel-2.2.2-11.7.3 in the system. And I'm running this directly off the system the lsts are on. So there are no URL redirects. If the python2 I'm using is any good then at least I think I know what it isn't. Hopefully. Thank you. Any other ideas? I'm desperate enough that I'm tracking code. If you're familiar with it at all, the process_form fuction never gets called. If I'm reading the code right, admindb thinks my form submission isn't a form submission. Very strange. I'm running the apache-1.3.27-3 rpm also. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 149 (2301) 13th Street |Doctors don't save lives. The best they can hope Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA |to do is save life. Not the same thing. Me ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Dec 22 17:18:26 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 22 Dec 2003 11:18:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admindb cgi functions don't work. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1072109906.2719.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 10:59, Chris Johnson wrote: > On 22 Dec 2003, Jon Carnes wrote: > > > On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 09:25, Chris Johnson wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > > > I've updated to mailman 2.1.3 on my rh7.3 system. The lists > > > work. Most of the admin functions work. Check_perms says everything > > > is ok. However, the functions available from the admindb CGI don't > > > work. They didn't in 2.1-8 either. There seems to be no error log I > > > can locate. I know admindb is running because I moved it and the Web > > > server complained, so it is looking at the right CGI. But it doesn't > > > do any of the four available status changes when I try them on any > > > message in any list. This would seem to indicate a systemic problem > > > in the CGI. The group ownership is correct as is the SGID setting. > > > > > > Are there any diagnostics I can turn on in mailman? Does anyone > > > have ANY clue what might be going on here? I have a backlog of held > > > messages I'd very much like to clear up. > > > > > > Help GREATLY appreciated. > > > > I've seen this a few times, most often when the webserver using a > > redirect for the URL. Also, make sure that you have the python2-dev rpm > > installed. > > > > Good Luck - Jon Carnes > > > > I have > > python2-2.2.2-11.7.3 > python2-devel-2.2.2-11.7.3 > > in the system. And I'm running this directly off the system the lsts > are on. So there are no URL redirects. > > If the python2 I'm using is any good then at least I think I know > what it isn't. Hopefully. > > Thank you. Any other ideas? > > I'm desperate enough that I'm tracking code. If you're familiar > with it at all, the process_form fuction never gets called. If I'm > reading the code right, admindb thinks my form submission isn't a form > submission. Very strange. I'm running the apache-1.3.27-3 rpm also. > Those rpms should give you all the Python you need. Have you tried "VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 0" in your mm_cfg.py file? What does your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file look like? Can you include a copy. Also, have your run "check_perms" on the system yet? Jon Carnes From johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Mon Dec 22 17:28:44 2003 From: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu (Chris Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:28:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] admindb cgi functions don't work. In-Reply-To: <1072109906.2719.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 22 Dec 2003, Jon Carnes wrote: > Those rpms should give you all the Python you need. > > Have you tried "VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 0" in your mm_cfg.py file? Uh, nope..... Um, maybe I'm doing something wrong but I don't see any difference in listings. What should I be looking for? > What does your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file look like? Can you > include a copy. The relevent adds follow. from Defaults import * import pwd, grp ############################################################## # Here's where we override shipped defaults with settings # # suitable for the RPM package. # MAILMAN_UID = pwd.getpwnam('mailman')[2] MAILMAN_GID = grp.getgrnam('mailman')[2] MAILMAN_USER = 'mailman' MAILMAN_GROUP = 'mailman' LOG_DIR = '/var/log/mailman' #QUEUE_DIR = '/var/spool/mailman/qfiles' ############################################################## # Put YOUR site-specific configuration below, in mm_cfg.py . # # See Defaults.py for explanations of the values. # DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'nmr.mgh.harvard.edu' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu' MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME # Note - if you're looking for something that is imported from mm_cfg, but you # didn't find it above, it's probably in Defaults.py. # # add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) # # #add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) # DEFAULT_LIST_ADVERTISED = 0 # DEFAULT_ADMIN_NOTIFY_MCHANGES = 1 # DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION = 2 > > Also, have your run "check_perms" on the system yet? > Yep. Looks clean. > Jon Carnes > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 149 (2301) 13th Street |I've heard men and women say all the good ones are Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA |taken. What does that make the rest of us? Me ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From barry at python.org Mon Dec 22 17:49:58 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:49:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] SourceForge donations for the GNU Mailman project Message-ID: <1072111797.18828.117.camel@anthem> SourceForge recently instituted a donation system for projects and users, whereby you can donate some money to a PayPal account to show your appreciation for the free and open source projects you use. Donations to projects require opt-in from all the project's admins. Jeremy and I have both opted-in to the donation system for the GNU Mailman project. I have set the donations email address to the Python Software Foundation's PayPal account. This needn't be set in stone, but we had to pick an address to turn this on and the PSF seemed like a reasonable choice. Note that the Python project is accepting donations for the PSF as well. GNU Mailman remains free, in both the monetary and liberty senses of the word. I personally feel that the good will, help to others, insights, patches, bug fixes, and general good community that you already donate is enough reward. If you feel like making a monetary contribution as well, please know that the PSF is a US public charity under section 501(c)(3) of the IRS code. See http://www.python.org/psf for details. If you have comments or feedback about our choice for the recipient of donations, or about whether we should be taking donations at all, please email me directly. Cheers, and happy holidays, -Barry From johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Mon Dec 22 18:25:23 2003 From: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu (Chris Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:25:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] admindb cgi functions don't work. In-Reply-To: <1072109906.2719.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Jon, Are you familiar with the code at all in admindb? I'm tracing back up from line 150. Again, I don't really know python, but if I'm reading this right, the line where it's supposed to grab the QUERY_STRING from the HTTP environment is completely empty. Wierd! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 149 (2301) 13th Street |For all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA |are these: "It might have been". John G. Whittier ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Dec 22 18:44:07 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 22 Dec 2003 12:44:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admindb cgi functions don't work. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1072115046.2719.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 12:25, Chris Johnson wrote: > Jon, > > Are you familiar with the code at all in admindb? I'm tracing > back up from line 150. Again, I don't really know python, but if I'm > reading this right, the line where it's supposed to grab the > QUERY_STRING from the HTTP environment is completely empty. > > Wierd! > I'm not an expert, just a plain ordinary Python hacker, but it looks like all your data is being dumped (like in a redirect when all the posted data is dumped). What do your Apache logs show when you do a transaction? From simon at caperet.com Mon Dec 22 18:49:30 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:49:30 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admindb cgi functions don't work. In-Reply-To: <1072115046.2719.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1072115046.2719.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031222174930.GD30479@mediadev.com> 22-Dec-03 at 12:44, Jon Carnes (jonc at nc.rr.com) wrote : > On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 12:25, Chris Johnson wrote: > > Jon, > > > > Are you familiar with the code at all in admindb? I'm tracing > > back up from line 150. Again, I don't really know python, but if I'm > > reading this right, the line where it's supposed to grab the > > QUERY_STRING from the HTTP environment is completely empty. > > > > Wierd! > > > I'm not an expert, just a plain ordinary Python hacker, but it looks > like all your data is being dumped (like in a redirect when all the > posted data is dumped). > > What do your Apache logs show when you do a transaction? Stab in the dark without logs, but I reckon it might be the sort of automatic URL rewriting in Apache that is doing this. It will often change the received hostname to the ServerName directive, esp. if there are no virtual hosts in the config and there are several hostnames that point to the box. This usually ends up just redirecting to login and then all is OK, but maybe not? -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Mon Dec 22 19:12:24 2003 From: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu (Chris Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 13:12:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] admindb cgi functions don't work. In-Reply-To: <1072115046.2719.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 22 Dec 2003, Jon Carnes wrote: > On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 12:25, Chris Johnson wrote: > > Jon, > > > > Are you familiar with the code at all in admindb? I'm tracing > > back up from line 150. Again, I don't really know python, but if I'm > > reading this right, the line where it's supposed to grab the > > QUERY_STRING from the HTTP environment is completely empty. > > > > Wierd! > > > I'm not an expert, just a plain ordinary Python hacker, but it looks > like all your data is being dumped (like in a redirect when all the > posted data is dumped). > > What do your Apache logs show when you do a transaction? > Hm, .... odd. Do you know where admindb gets the information to produce the FORM ACTION= line? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 149 (2301) 13th Street |Life n, something from which nobody escapes Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA |alive. Me ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sama at inf.ufsc.br Mon Dec 22 19:25:19 2003 From: sama at inf.ufsc.br (sama at inf.ufsc.br) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:25:19 -0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Postfix + Maildrop ... Message-ID: <1072117518.3fe7370f0194a@webmail.inf.ufsc.br> Hi, I installed mailman-2.1.2 on a Linux box that has Postfix(with virtual domains on Mysql) and Maildrop. I created a list (test at mydomain.com) where my domain.com is a virtual domain. When a person send a email to this email list, the system complains that this email don't exist. Does anyone could help me please ? Robert From gagel at cnc.bc.ca Mon Dec 22 22:57:42 2003 From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (gagel at cnc.bc.ca) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 13:57:42 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman drops extension of attachment Message-ID: <3fe768d6.1dc.7e0.29387@cnc.bc.ca> I have not had any response on this. Does anyone have any info they can share with me on it? ----- Original Message Follows ----- > We just sent out a message to our employees. There calling because > they can't open the pdf attachment. > > Looking at it, it looks like the .pdf part is missing from the > attachment name in the message. If you know what to do you can open > the attachment. But the browser does not know what to do with it and > most of our users don't either. > > Is there a fix for this? > > Suggestions, ideas? > > ==================== > Kevin W. Gagel > Network Administrator > (250) 561-5848 local 448 > (250) 562-2131 local 448 > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca > Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: gagel at cnc.bc.ca > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/gagel%40cnc.bc.ca ==================== Kevin W. Gagel Network Administrator (250) 561-5848 local 448 (250) 562-2131 local 448 -------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. -------------------------------------------------------------- From gagel at cnc.bc.ca Mon Dec 22 22:58:37 2003 From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (gagel at cnc.bc.ca) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 13:58:37 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shell meta-characters Message-ID: <3fe7690d.201.9b0.29566@cnc.bc.ca> I have not had any response to this. Can anyone speak to this at all? ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Can someone tell me if the mailman 2.1.3 sendmail interface is safe > from addresses that contain shell meta-characters? > > > > ==================== > Kevin W. Gagel > Network Administrator > (250) 561-5848 local 448 > (250) 562-2131 local 448 > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca > Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: gagel at cnc.bc.ca > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/gagel%40cnc.bc.ca ==================== Kevin W. Gagel Network Administrator (250) 561-5848 local 448 (250) 562-2131 local 448 -------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. -------------------------------------------------------------- From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Dec 23 04:02:54 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 22 Dec 2003 22:02:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman drops extension of attachment In-Reply-To: <3fe768d6.1dc.7e0.29387@cnc.bc.ca> References: <3fe768d6.1dc.7e0.29387@cnc.bc.ca> Message-ID: <1072148574.2690.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> This *exact* problem was discussed in the archives awhile back. If memory serves me correctly the problem then was that the email client used a generic type of mime file type identifier rather than a more proper one that identified the file type properly as pdf. Mailman then treats this as a generic file and renames it with a generic extension. A patch was generated so that Mailman no longer changed the file extension. A look in the archives might prove useful to you. Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 16:57, gagel at cnc.bc.ca wrote: > I have not had any response on this. Does anyone have any info they > can share with me on it? > > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > We just sent out a message to our employees. There calling because > > they can't open the pdf attachment. > > > > Looking at it, it looks like the .pdf part is missing from the > > attachment name in the message. If you know what to do you can open > > the attachment. But the browser does not know what to do with it and > > most of our users don't either. > > > > Is there a fix for this? > > > > Suggestions, ideas? > > > > ==================== > > Kevin W. Gagel > > Network Administrator > > (250) 561-5848 local 448 > > (250) 562-2131 local 448 > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca > > Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: gagel at cnc.bc.ca > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/gagel%40cnc.bc.ca > > ==================== > Kevin W. Gagel > Network Administrator > (250) 561-5848 local 448 > (250) 562-2131 local 448 > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca > Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Dec 23 04:14:03 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 22 Dec 2003 22:14:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shell meta-characters In-Reply-To: <3fe7690d.201.9b0.29566@cnc.bc.ca> References: <3fe7690d.201.9b0.29566@cnc.bc.ca> Message-ID: <1072149242.2690.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 16:58, gagel at cnc.bc.ca wrote: > I have not had any response to this. Can anyone speak to this at all? > > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > Can someone tell me if the mailman 2.1.3 sendmail interface is safe > > from addresses that contain shell meta-characters? > > Cast a stone into the water Observe the ripples as they flow forth What does this tell you Time passes and you move on Yet the ripples remain messages from a stone now gone A wise man follows seeing not only the ripples but the stone that lies beneath the waves How long do you remark upon the ripples before you see the stone? http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Jon Carnes From jsmith at smittybuilt.com Tue Dec 23 04:45:20 2003 From: jsmith at smittybuilt.com (jsmith) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 19:45:20 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Xmail+Mailman Message-ID: Hello all, I am setting up a new freebsd box 5.1 and decided to get away from sendmail and went with Xmail 1.17 I have only found really one document on the web that discusses this and I have followed it as far as I can go. I have ran configure and make install Edited a few files and when I get to bin/newlist it asks a few questions and then asks for a password. At that poiint it just sits there and never comes back ro finishes the newlist script. If I hit Ctrl C I get the following Enter the name of the list: mailman Enter the email of the person running the list: jsmith at holodeck1.net Initial mailman password: ^CTraceback (most recent call last): File "bin/newlist", line 219, in ? main() File "bin/newlist", line 160, in main mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 453, in Create self.__lock.lock() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 312, in lock self.__sleep() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 496, in __sleep time.sleep(interval) KeyboardInterrupt Anyone have an experience with Xmail and Mailman 2.1.3 or a hint as to where my problem exists? Thanks for your help. From sconnac at totemnumerique.com Tue Dec 23 10:06:41 2003 From: sconnac at totemnumerique.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9bastien_CONNAC?=) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:06:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] simple newsletter Message-ID: <52AE0B84-3527-11D8-AB34-003065D6C0A4@totemnumerique.com> Hi, I m new in Mailman use and I want to know how to make simple list for e-newsletter. Without possibilities for user to answer, just like when you receved an html nexsletter from Apple or Adobe. Please help me. Thanks S?bastien Toulouse France From Sunnsand at hotpop.com Wed Dec 24 00:41:56 2003 From: Sunnsand at hotpop.com (Sunnsand) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:41:56 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 15, Issue 52 References: Message-ID: <006001c3c9ae$5decd340$1e01a8c0@Sunsoft> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 1:12 AM Subject: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 15, Issue 52 > Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to > mailman-users at python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mailman-users-request at python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > mailman-users-owner at python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: admindb cgi functions don't work. (Chris Johnson) > 2. Re: admindb cgi functions don't work. (Jon Carnes) > 3. Re: admindb cgi functions don't work. (Simon White) > 4. Re: admindb cgi functions don't work. (Chris Johnson) > 5. Mailman + Postfix + Maildrop ... (sama at inf.ufsc.br) > 6. Mailman drops extension of attachment (gagel at cnc.bc.ca) > 7. Re: Shell meta-characters (gagel at cnc.bc.ca) > 8. Re: Mailman drops extension of attachment (Jon Carnes) > 9. Re: Shell meta-characters (Jon Carnes) > 10. Xmail+Mailman (jsmith) > 11. simple newsletter (S?bastien CONNAC) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From ericsaul at ericsaul.net Sat Dec 20 18:38:41 2003 From: ericsaul at ericsaul.net (ericsaul at ericsaul.net) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:38:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and HTML Emails Message-ID: <3375.171.75.114.8.1071941921.squirrel@www.ericsaul.net> I'm working for a Theater Company and they need a way to contact members and/or ticket buyers via email. I hooked up with Mailman through a host provider. I figured out how to created an announce-only list, upload our member's names, etc. It works pretty great! Question: Can you send the list html email? The theater company wants to send html emails, and I seem to be having a problem doing this? Also, can you recommend a program which can send html emails? Thanks, Eric Saul From jbostrom at si.rr.com Sun Dec 21 01:08:04 2003 From: jbostrom at si.rr.com (John Bostrom) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 19:08:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help! Message-ID: <00dd01c3c756$83228ba0$6400a8c0@jdboz1> I desperately and immediately need the capability to send email to a database of about 3000 people, all of whom are true subscribers to our list. We're a small office running Windows XP, with no network or server beyond minimal disk space on a subscribed ISP server. I'm basically a former database programmer turned web developer, and though I'm a good programmer and a quick study, I have almost no php, perl, or other relevant mail list coding experience. I've studied phplist and mailman and mailman looks slightly less daunting, but I have to be able to install the package and get it running in the next two days. Above all, I need something that can work with directly with our existing Access donor database, using the existing name and email fields, easily and smoothly converting, importing, and updating, so I don't wind up having to spend a lot of time sorting out duplications and errors between the database and the mailing list. Can someone please help me with this? JB From adam at vsocan.org Mon Dec 22 16:16:39 2003 From: adam at vsocan.org (Adam Hess) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:16:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customized Content/Waive Confirmation emails Message-ID: Hello, I'm a new user of Mailman (Ver 2.1.2) and after an exhaustive search of the options and what's on your site I can't figure out how to customize the content of subscription emails. In other words, I'd like to change all of the text that gets sent to a subscriber and it seems I can only append text to that email? Secondly, is there a way to remove the use of a confirmation email? Our list is not a discussion based one, it is merely for perioidic announcements. We haven't launched our email list yet but plan to in the new year. Feel free to visit our website to find out about Volunary Service Overseas (Don't know if you've heard of us before). Thanks again, Adam Hess Coordinator, Marketing and Communications VSO Canada www.vsocan.org (613) 234-1364 ext. 244 (613) 234-1444 (Fax) 1-888-876-2911 adam at vsocan.org From nate at sky-runner.com Mon Dec 22 19:34:28 2003 From: nate at sky-runner.com (Nate Bradley) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:34:28 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI Message-ID: <3FE73934.4020008@sky-runner.com> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Vexira NOTICE * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This version of Vexira MailArmor is a DEMO version and not full featured. This banner message cannot be disabled until you purchase Vexira Antivirus. After you purchase and install a license for use of Vexira Antivirus for Mail servers this message will be deactivated. Certain features are disabled in this DEMO version of Vexira Antivirus. You can purchase Vexira Antivirus online at http://www.centralcommand.com or contact our sales department at sales at centralcommand.com From khyman at nabbweb.org Mon Dec 22 23:14:40 2003 From: khyman at nabbweb.org (Keith L. Hyman) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:14:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Problem Message-ID: <017201c3c8d8$fe7557a0$dfac3bd0@cable.rcn.com> There is an email address on our mailing list that is receiving our messages. They do not wish to be on the list. The address do not appear anywhere within the list. can you offer any suggestions as to how we can stop this address from receiving our messages? Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated! Keith L. Hyman Founder National Association of Black Bikers 1.866.NABB.ORG, ext. 89 www.NABBweb.org From ben at goodorient.com.cn Tue Dec 23 12:12:44 2003 From: ben at goodorient.com.cn (Ben) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:12:44 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to configure mailman to use a specific python? Message-ID: <006301c3c945$b0af9810$6802a8c0@Bb> We have an old version of python installed which is heavily used by the Ensim, so I need to compile the up-to-date version to an isolated place and assign mailman to use this installation. Can someone tell me how to do the configuration for mailman before installation. Thanks. Ben From simon at caperet.com Tue Dec 23 17:39:02 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:39:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customized Content/Waive Confirmation emails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031223163902.GS9270@mediadev.com> 22-Dec-03 at 10:16, Adam Hess (adam at vsocan.org) wrote : > Secondly, is there a way to remove the use of a confirmation email? Our list > is not a discussion based one, it is merely for perioidic announcements. http://mediadev.homelinux.net/silent_unsubscribe.tar.gz Works for subscribing without confirmation, and unsubscribing without confirmation too. Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From psolomon at adelphia.net Tue Dec 23 17:55:27 2003 From: psolomon at adelphia.net (Peter A. Solomon) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:55:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help! In-Reply-To: <00dd01c3c756$83228ba0$6400a8c0@jdboz1> Message-ID: <000901c3c975$90e306e0$c94eeb44@DELL> > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+psolomon=adelphia.net at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+psolomon=adelphia.net at python.org > ] On Behalf Of John Bostrom > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 7:08 PM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] help! > > > I desperately and immediately need the capability to send email to a > database of about 3000 people, all of whom are true > subscribers to our list. > We're a small office running Windows XP, with no network or > server beyond > minimal disk space on a subscribed ISP server. I'm basically a former > database programmer turned web developer, and though I'm a > good programmer > and a quick study, I have almost no php, perl, or other > relevant mail list > coding experience. I've studied phplist and mailman and mailman looks > slightly less daunting, but I have to be able to install the > package and get > it running in the next two days. > Above all, I need something that can work with directly with our > existing Access donor database, using the existing name and > email fields, > easily and smoothly converting, importing, and updating, so I > don't wind up > having to spend a lot of time sorting out duplications and > errors between > the database and the mailing list. > Can someone please help me with this? > JB > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-> users%> 40python.org/ > > This > message was sent to: psolomon at adelphia.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/psolomon% > 40adelphia.net > I don't suppose you have a budget of any size to complete this? From gagel at cnc.bc.ca Tue Dec 23 18:10:14 2003 From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (gagel at cnc.bc.ca) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:10:14 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman drops extension of attachment Message-ID: <3fe876f6.340.9e4.25832@cnc.bc.ca> I tried searching the archives but found nothing about it. I guess my search terms were not good enough. It is not a problem with the mail client. I did debug tracing on the clients to see what was being passed before I submitted a bug report. The client identifies the attachment correctly as a pdf. The problem is that the length of the attachment name seems to be to long for mailman to process correctly. Sending an attachment called: "PRESIDENT'S NEWSLETTER NO. 2 - 2003-2004 ACADEMIC December.pdf" Results in one called: "PRESIDENT'S NEWSLETTER NO. 2 - 2003-2004 ACADEMIC" The recieving client can still open the missnamed attachment if they know what to select as a program to open it with. Its just that the extension is missing and that only happens after going through mailman. It does not happen if it is sent directly to a user. ----- Original Message Follows ----- > This *exact* problem was discussed in the archives awhile back. If > memory serves me correctly the problem then was that the email > client used a generic type of mime file type identifier rather than > a more proper one that identified the file type properly as pdf. > > Mailman then treats this as a generic file and renames it with a > generic extension. A patch was generated so that Mailman no longer > changed the file extension. A look in the archives might prove > useful to you. > > Jon Carnes > > On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 16:57, gagel at cnc.bc.ca wrote: > > I have not had any response on this. Does anyone have any info > > they can share with me on it? > > > > > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > > We just sent out a message to our employees. There calling > > > because they can't open the pdf attachment. > > > > > > Looking at it, it looks like the .pdf part is missing from the > > > attachment name in the message. If you know what to do you can > > > open the attachment. But the browser does not know what to do > > > with it and most of our users don't either. > > > > > > Is there a fix for this? > > > > > > Suggestions, ideas? > > > > > > ==================== > > > Kevin W. Gagel > > > Network Administrator > > > (250) 561-5848 local 448 > > > (250) 562-2131 local 448 > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca > > > Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > Searchable Archives: > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > > This message was sent to: gagel at cnc.bc.ca > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/gagel%40cnc.bc.ca > > > > ==================== > > Kevin W. Gagel > > Network Administrator > > (250) 561-5848 local 448 > > (250) 562-2131 local 448 > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca > > Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > ==================== Kevin W. Gagel Network Administrator (250) 561-5848 local 448 (250) 562-2131 local 448 -------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. -------------------------------------------------------------- From psolomon at adelphia.net Tue Dec 23 18:51:21 2003 From: psolomon at adelphia.net (Peter A. Solomon) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:51:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman drops extension of attachment In-Reply-To: <3fe876f6.340.9e4.25832@cnc.bc.ca> Message-ID: <000601c3c97d$600ff7a0$c94eeb44@DELL> > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+psolomon=adelphia.net at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+psolomon=adelphia.net at python.org > ] On Behalf Of gagel at cnc.bc.ca > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 12:10 PM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman drops extension of attachment > > > I tried searching the archives but found nothing about it. I guess my > search terms were not good enough. > > It is not a problem with the mail client. I did debug tracing on the > clients to see what was being passed before I submitted a bug report. > The client identifies the attachment correctly as a pdf. The problem > is that the length of the attachment name seems to be to long for > mailman to process correctly. > > Sending an attachment called: > "PRESIDENT'S NEWSLETTER NO. 2 - 2003-2004 ACADEMIC December.pdf" > Results in one called: > "PRESIDENT'S NEWSLETTER NO. 2 - 2003-2004 ACADEMIC" > > The recieving client can still open the missnamed attachment if they > know what to select as a program to open it with. Its just that the > extension is missing and that only happens after going through > mailman. It does not happen if it is sent directly to a user. > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > This *exact* problem was discussed in the archives awhile back. If > > memory serves me correctly the problem then was that the email > > client used a generic type of mime file type identifier rather than > > a more proper one that identified the file type properly as pdf. > > > > Mailman then treats this as a generic file and renames it with a > > generic extension. A patch was generated so that Mailman no longer > > changed the file extension. A look in the archives might prove > > useful to you. > > > > Jon Carnes > > > > On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 16:57, gagel at cnc.bc.ca wrote: > > > I have not had any response on this. Does anyone have any info > > > they can share with me on it? > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > > > We just sent out a message to our employees. There calling > > > > because they can't open the pdf attachment. > > > > > > > > Looking at it, it looks like the .pdf part is missing from the > > > > attachment name in the message. If you know what to do you can > > > > open the attachment. But the browser does not know what to do > > > > with it and most of our users don't either. > > > > > > > > Is there a fix for this? > > > > > > > > Suggestions, ideas? > > > > > > > > ==================== > > > > Kevin W. Gagel > > > > Network Administrator > > > > (250) 561-5848 local 448 > > > > (250) 562-2131 local 448 > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca > > > > Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > > Searchable Archives: > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > > > > This message was sent to: gagel at cnc.bc.ca > > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > > > > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/gagel%40cnc.bc.ca > > > > > > ==================== > > > Kevin W. Gagel > > > Network Administrator > > > (250) 561-5848 local 448 > > > (250) 562-2131 local 448 > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca > > > Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > Searchable Archives: > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > > ==================== > Kevin W. Gagel > Network Administrator > (250) 561-5848 local 448 > (250) 562-2131 local 448 > Follow the thread [Mailman-Users] Attachments - PDF Issue in the Nov 2003 archive and see if this is any help. http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-November/032634.html From emechler at techometer.net Tue Dec 23 19:44:37 2003 From: emechler at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:44:37 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Problem In-Reply-To: <017201c3c8d8$fe7557a0$dfac3bd0@cable.rcn.com> References: <017201c3c8d8$fe7557a0$dfac3bd0@cable.rcn.com> Message-ID: <20031223184437.GA23354@techometer.net> :: There is an email address on our mailing list that is receiving our :: messages. They do not wish to be on the list. The address do not appear :: anywhere within the list. Is the user receiving the unwanted email in the same domain as the where the list is hosted? Have you used the ~mailman/bin/list_members script to see if perhaps the CGI's are misrepresenting your list members perhaps? There isn't really a lot of information in your post, so I'm not sure if I'm asking the right questions. Cheers - Erick From gagel at cnc.bc.ca Tue Dec 23 19:57:25 2003 From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (gagel at cnc.bc.ca) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:57:25 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman drops extension of attachment Message-ID: <3fe89015.16e.ba4.14065@cnc.bc.ca> See below... ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mailman-users-bounces+psolomon=adelphia.net at python.org > > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+psolomon=adelphia.net at python.org > > ] On Behalf Of gagel at cnc.bc.ca > > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 12:10 PM > > To: mailman-users at python.org > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman drops extension of attachment > > > > > > I tried searching the archives but found nothing about it. I guess > > my search terms were not good enough. > > > > It is not a problem with the mail client. I did debug tracing on > > the clients to see what was being passed before I submitted a bug > > report. The client identifies the attachment correctly as a pdf. > > The problem is that the length of the attachment name seems to be > > to long for mailman to process correctly. > > > > Sending an attachment called: > > "PRESIDENT'S NEWSLETTER NO. 2 - 2003-2004 ACADEMIC December.pdf" > > Results in one called: > > "PRESIDENT'S NEWSLETTER NO. 2 - 2003-2004 ACADEMIC" > > > > The recieving client can still open the missnamed attachment if > > they know what to select as a program to open it with. Its just > > that the extension is missing and that only happens after going > > through mailman. It does not happen if it is sent directly to a > > user. > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > > This *exact* problem was discussed in the archives awhile back. > > > If memory serves me correctly the problem then was that the > > > email client used a generic type of mime file type identifier > > > rather than a more proper one that identified the file type > > > properly as pdf. > > > Mailman then treats this as a generic file and renames it with a > > > generic extension. A patch was generated so that Mailman no > > > longer changed the file extension. A look in the archives might > > > prove useful to you. > > > > > > Jon Carnes > > > > > > On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 16:57, gagel at cnc.bc.ca wrote: > > > > I have not had any response on this. Does anyone have any info > > > > they can share with me on it? > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > > > > We just sent out a message to our employees. There calling > > > > > because they can't open the pdf attachment. > > > > > > > > > > Looking at it, it looks like the .pdf part is missing from > > > > > the attachment name in the message. If you know what to do > > > > > you can open the attachment. But the browser does not know > > > > > what to do with it and most of our users don't either. > > > > > > > > > > Is there a fix for this? > > > > > > > > > > Suggestions, ideas? > > > > > > > > > > ==================== > > > > > Kevin W. Gagel > > > > > Network Administrator > > > > > (250) 561-5848 local 448 > > > > > (250) 562-2131 local 448 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- The > > > > > College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca > > > > > Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > > > Searchable Archives: > > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > > > > > > This message was sent to: gagel at cnc.bc.ca > > > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/gagel%40cnc.bc.ca > > > > > > > > ==================== > > > > Kevin W. Gagel > > > > Network Administrator > > > > (250) 561-5848 local 448 > > > > (250) 562-2131 local 448 > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca > > > > Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > > Searchable Archives: > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > > > > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > > > Follow the thread [Mailman-Users] Attachments - PDF Issue in the Nov > 2003 archive and see if this is any help. > > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-November/032634.html Read through the thread. No it didn't help. I change the filebase, ignore to filebase, ext like the thread indicated but I still end up with the same thing. The problem is the mailman handles the file name and the fact that users are using long file names. Its not a problem with the extention as I thought. Mailman drops the last part of the file name off, so a file name like this: PRESIDENT'S NEWSLETTER NO. 2 - 2003-2004 ACADEMIC December.pdf Becomes a file name like this: PRESIDENT'S NEWSLETTER NO. 2 - 2003-2004 ACADEMIC So the December.pdf part is lost. I've verified it is not a MUA problem by running tests in debug mode and checking what got sent to Mailman. It is in the attachment handling routine of mailman that the problem exists. ==================== Kevin W. Gagel Network Administrator (250) 561-5848 local 448 (250) 562-2131 local 448 -------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. -------------------------------------------------------------- From theall at tifaware.com Tue Dec 23 20:07:24 2003 From: theall at tifaware.com (George Theall) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:07:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Problem In-Reply-To: <017201c3c8d8$fe7557a0$dfac3bd0@cable.rcn.com> References: <017201c3c8d8$fe7557a0$dfac3bd0@cable.rcn.com> Message-ID: <20031223190724.GA23850@tifaware.com> On Mon, Dec 22, 2003 at 05:14:40PM -0500, Keith L. Hyman wrote: > There is an email address on our mailing list that is receiving our > messages. They do not wish to be on the list. The address do not > appear anywhere within the list. can you offer any suggestions as to > how we can stop this address from receiving our messages? First, you need to detect how messages are getting to that address. More than likely, they're being forwarded automatically. To figure it out, ask the receipient if s/he can send you a copy of one of the messages already sent; make sure it includes *all* the headers. If the version of Mailman you're using supports VERP and you've configured it to use that, tracking down the subscriber is as simple as looking at the from envelope header (ie, "From ") - it will hold an encoded version of the subscriber's address. Alternatively, look at the Received headers and trace the connection (the recipient's host(s) will occur at the top, you're interested in the next host). Finally, if you can't get a copy of the headers or they're not helpful, get in touch with the mail administrator at the recipient's site and ask for his/her cooperation in tracing the source of the messages. George -- theall at tifaware.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031223/9adba319/attachment.pgp From gagel at cnc.bc.ca Tue Dec 23 20:52:08 2003 From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (gagel at cnc.bc.ca) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:52:08 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shell meta-characters Message-ID: <3fe89ce8.39f.bb4.24786@cnc.bc.ca> The question is simple enough, so I ask it again. Is the sendmail interface safe from addresses that contain shell meta-characters? I an unable to determine from the long list of messages or doing a search in the archives whether or not the problem had been corrected. The mailman code warns not to use the sendmail but use the smtp method because sendmail is not secure. postfix users are warning me that mailman can lead to a compromise if a meta-character is used in the address. postfix users are also saying this should have been fixed by now in mailman but I'd like some confirmation. Anyone familiar with the code care to answer this? ----- Original Message Follows ----- > On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 16:58, gagel at cnc.bc.ca wrote: > > I have not had any response to this. Can anyone speak to this at > > all? > > > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > > Can someone tell me if the mailman 2.1.3 sendmail interface is > > > safe from addresses that contain shell meta-characters? > > > > > Cast a stone into the water > Observe the ripples as they flow forth > What does this tell you > > Time passes and you move on > Yet the ripples remain > messages from a stone now gone > > A wise man follows > seeing not only the ripples > but the stone that lies beneath the waves > > How long do you remark upon the ripples > before you see the stone? > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > this too is found in the archives, should you wish to converse with > the past> > > Jon Carnes > ==================== Kevin W. Gagel Network Administrator (250) 561-5848 local 448 (250) 562-2131 local 448 -------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. -------------------------------------------------------------- From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Dec 24 00:09:48 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 23 Dec 2003 18:09:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help! In-Reply-To: <00dd01c3c756$83228ba0$6400a8c0@jdboz1> References: <00dd01c3c756$83228ba0$6400a8c0@jdboz1> Message-ID: <1072220988.3253.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2003-12-20 at 19:08, John Bostrom wrote: > I desperately and immediately need the capability to send email to a > database of about 3000 people, all of whom are true subscribers to our list. > We're a small office running Windows XP, with no network or server beyond > minimal disk space on a subscribed ISP server. I'm basically a former > database programmer turned web developer, and though I'm a good programmer > and a quick study, I have almost no php, perl, or other relevant mail list > coding experience. I've studied phplist and mailman and mailman looks > slightly less daunting, but I have to be able to install the package and get > it running in the next two days. > Above all, I need something that can work with directly with our > existing Access donor database, using the existing name and email fields, > easily and smoothly converting, importing, and updating, so I don't wind up > having to spend a lot of time sorting out duplications and errors between > the database and the mailing list. > Can someone please help me with this? > JB Well unless your ISP has this service up and running then look elsewhere. Mailman requires you to have your own mail server up and running - and it is meant to be installed on a Linux or unix-like server. There are several Mail-list ISP's that run Mailman and would be glad to host the mailing lists for you. If you like, I can recommend one of two of them to you (I do support for them). Mailman has some nice integration tools, but most of them use text files for synchronizing the lists. If you use a hosted solution then you'll end up using the web-interfaces (or some ftp scripts) to maintain the lists with your database. It won't be hard to setup, but it won't be totally automated. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Dec 24 00:20:16 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 23 Dec 2003 18:20:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to configure mailman to use a specific python? In-Reply-To: <006301c3c945$b0af9810$6802a8c0@Bb> References: <006301c3c945$b0af9810$6802a8c0@Bb> Message-ID: <1072221616.3253.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 06:12, Ben wrote: > We have an old version of python installed which is heavily used by the Ensim, so I need to compile the up-to-date version to an isolated place and assign mailman to use this installation. Can someone tell me how to do the configuration for mailman before installation. Thanks. > > Ben > Well... you are using an Ensim system - so do you have multiple domains chrooted on the system? If so, then you should hire a consultant to do the install for you. The install on Ensim systems is documented by myself and a few other hardy individuals, but it is not easy even for practiced professionals. Good Luck, and have a good Holiday - Jon Carnes From psolomon at adelphia.net Wed Dec 24 01:13:23 2003 From: psolomon at adelphia.net (Peter A. Solomon) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:13:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman drops extension of attachment In-Reply-To: <3fe89015.16e.ba4.14065@cnc.bc.ca> Message-ID: <001a01c3c9b2$bee69510$c94eeb44@DELL> > Read through the thread. No it didn't help. I change the filebase, > ignore to filebase, ext like the thread indicated but I still end up > with the same thing. The problem is the mailman handles the file name > and the fact that users are using long file names. Its not a problem > with the extention as I thought. Mailman drops the last part of the > file name off, so a file name like this: > PRESIDENT'S NEWSLETTER NO. 2 - 2003-2004 ACADEMIC December.pdf > > Becomes a file name like this: > PRESIDENT'S NEWSLETTER NO. 2 - 2003-2004 ACADEMIC > > So the December.pdf part is lost. I've verified it is not a MUA > problem by running tests in debug mode and checking what got sent to > Mailman. It is in the attachment handling routine of mailman that the > problem exists. > > ==================== > Kevin W. Gagel > Network Administrator > (250) 561-5848 local 448 > (250) 562-2131 local 448 Have you tried a shorter attachment name, quite possible this is the result of a limitation in the length of your attachments name? I would also remove the apostrophe from "PRESIDENT'S" and especially the Period after "NO." as this might also be causing a problem. From jamie at silverdream.org Wed Dec 24 01:17:04 2003 From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:17:04 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Postfix & MySQL Message-ID: <200312240174.297742@oasis> Hey all, Has anyone had any luck with setting up Mailman together with Postfix using MySQL? If you could point me in the general direction of any good HOWTOs etc. on the subject, I'd be eternally grateful. I've tried googling, and it turned up a lot of questions, and not many answers... Thanks in advance, Jamie --- -jamie w: http://silverdream.org | p: sms at silverdream.org Support The Blue Ribbon Campaign - http://eff.org/br From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Dec 24 01:32:21 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 23 Dec 2003 19:32:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman drops extension of attachment In-Reply-To: <3fe876f6.340.9e4.25832@cnc.bc.ca> References: <3fe876f6.340.9e4.25832@cnc.bc.ca> Message-ID: <1072225941.3253.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 12:10, gagel at cnc.bc.ca wrote: > I tried searching the archives but found nothing about it. I guess my > search terms were not good enough. > > It is not a problem with the mail client. I did debug tracing on the > clients to see what was being passed before I submitted a bug report. > The client identifies the attachment correctly as a pdf. The problem > is that the length of the attachment name seems to be to long for > mailman to process correctly. > > Sending an attachment called: > "PRESIDENT'S NEWSLETTER NO. 2 - 2003-2004 ACADEMIC December.pdf" > Results in one called: > "PRESIDENT'S NEWSLETTER NO. 2 - 2003-2004 ACADEMIC" > > The recieving client can still open the missnamed attachment if they > know what to select as a program to open it with. Its just that the > extension is missing and that only happens after going through > mailman. It does not happen if it is sent directly to a user. > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- As I recall this is also described in the archives... If my egg-nog clouded memory can be relied upon, the limit on the file name is somewhat arbitrary and you can easily hack the source so that it does not get truncated. This was also discussed at length in the archives, and the exact code to modify was clearly identified and tested. I think it was simply one line of code. It might be easier for you to trace down the renaming in the source code and make the mod yourself, than to find the thread in the archives (since it was more than a few months ago). Good Luck - Jon Carnes From psolomon at adelphia.net Wed Dec 24 02:52:07 2003 From: psolomon at adelphia.net (Peter A. Solomon) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:52:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman drops extension of attachment In-Reply-To: <1072225941.3253.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <005e01c3c9c0$8a2489a0$c94eeb44@DELL> > As I recall this is also described in the archives... If my egg-nog > clouded memory can be relied upon, the limit on the file name is > somewhat arbitrary and you can easily hack the source so that it does > not get truncated. > > This was also discussed at length in the archives, and the > exact code to > modify was clearly identified and tested. I think it was simply one > line of code. > > It might be easier for you to trace down the renaming in the > source code > and make the mod yourself, than to find the thread in the archives > (since it was more than a few months ago). > > Good Luck - Jon Carnes Or he can try searching http://www.mail-archive.com as that goes a good way back and has search capabilities. Peter From paul at thcwd.com Wed Dec 24 03:38:59 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:38:59 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: how to configure mailman to use a specific python? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20031223202719.01c94848@mail.thcwd.com> Ben wrote: >We have an old version of python installed which is heavily used by the >Ensim, so I need to compile the up-to-date version to an isolated place >and assign mailman to use this installation. Can someone tell me how to do >the configuration for mailman before installation. Thanks. First install the new python using the altinstall option: wget http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.2.2/Python-2.2.2.tgz tar xvzf Python-2.2.2.tgz cd Python-2.2.2 ./configure make make altinstall This puts Python2.2 at /usr/local/bin/python2.2. Give that location in the Mailman configuration. My config statement was: ./configure --with-mail-gid=mail --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python2.2 --with-cgi-gid=apache My full information on the install OUTSIDE the chrooted environment on Ensim 3.0 is at http://forums.ev1servers.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23118 . Farther down there is also a way to do it inside the chrooted. <>< Paul From emechler at techometer.net Wed Dec 24 03:46:21 2003 From: emechler at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:46:21 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admindb cgi functions don't work. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031224024621.GK23354@techometer.net> :: I've updated to mailman 2.1.3 on my rh7.3 system. The lists :: work. Most of the admin functions work. Check_perms says everything :: is ok. However, the functions available from the admindb CGI don't :: work. Chris, if you do a dumpdb on a list that doesn't work, does the value of the 'web_page_url' option match the URL that you're using to access the admin page? You haven't said whether you're using SSL or not, but I had this very problem and it was due to the fact that I was using SSL and all the list URLs were referencing http:// instead of https:// Let me know if this applies to you. Cheers - Erick From johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Wed Dec 24 03:57:02 2003 From: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu (Chris Johnson) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:57:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] admindb cgi functions don't work. In-Reply-To: <20031224024621.GK23354@techometer.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Erick Mechler wrote: > :: I've updated to mailman 2.1.3 on my rh7.3 system. The lists > :: work. Most of the admin functions work. Check_perms says everything > :: is ok. However, the functions available from the admindb CGI don't > :: work. > > Chris, if you do a dumpdb on a list that doesn't work, does the value of > the 'web_page_url' option match the URL that you're using to access the > admin page? You haven't said whether you're using SSL or not, but I had > this very problem and it was due to the fact that I was using SSL and all > the list URLs were referencing http:// instead of https:// > > Let me know if this applies to you. > > Cheers - Erick > Not SSL but something similar with lists moved to a different system. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 149 (2301) 13th Street |"Survival is insufficient" Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA | Seven of nine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Dec 24 04:38:33 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 23 Dec 2003 22:38:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: how to configure mailman to use a specific python? In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20031223202719.01c94848@mail.thcwd.com> References: <6.0.1.1.0.20031223202719.01c94848@mail.thcwd.com> Message-ID: <1072237113.3253.69.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 21:38, Paul H Byerly wrote: > Ben wrote: > >We have an old version of python installed which is heavily used by the > >Ensim, so I need to compile the up-to-date version to an isolated place > >and assign mailman to use this installation. Can someone tell me how to do > >the configuration for mailman before installation. Thanks. > > First install the new python using the altinstall option: > > wget http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.2.2/Python-2.2.2.tgz > tar xvzf Python-2.2.2.tgz > cd Python-2.2.2 > ./configure > make > make altinstall > > This puts Python2.2 at /usr/local/bin/python2.2. Give that location > in the Mailman configuration. My config statement was: > > ./configure --with-mail-gid=mail --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python2.2 > --with-cgi-gid=apache > > My full information on the install OUTSIDE the chrooted environment > on Ensim 3.0 is at > http://forums.ev1servers.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23118 . Farther > down there is also a way to do it inside the chrooted. > Great Thread! You should consider moving it into the FAQ. Jon Carnes From emechler at techometer.net Wed Dec 24 07:22:29 2003 From: emechler at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:22:29 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admindb cgi functions don't work. In-Reply-To: References: <20031224024621.GK23354@techometer.net> Message-ID: <20031224062229.GL23354@techometer.net> :: Not SSL but something similar with lists moved to a different :: system. Thanks. First you have to make sure that your settings for the following 3 variables are configured properly in your mm_cfg.py file: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'host.foo.net' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'host.foo.net' DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/' (note that if you're using SSL, that should be https:// not http://) Once that's done, run the following command to fix all the built-in URLs for all your lists: ~mailman/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url [listname] -v You can use 'all' for [listname] to change this value for all your lists, but I'd run it on one just to make sure you're doing the right thing. After you run this, you can verify the change was made by running ~mailman/bin/dumpdb ~mailman/lists/[listname]/config.pck | grep http After all that, the admin pages should work again. Cheers - Erick From cwieland at uci.edu Wed Dec 24 07:45:39 2003 From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:45:39 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] domains Message-ID: <006b01c3c9e9$8b4edc30$6501a8c0@Portknow> Hello I have a host running mailman 2.0.13 It is named maillists.my.domain, maillists.xxx.my.domain, and mailman.my.domain. All are FQDN. All my lists appear when accessing any of these domain names. I have set up a new server running 2.1.3 and I have the same senario with two FQDN maillists.xxx.my.domain and maillists.my.domain however my lists only show up on one or the other of the FQDN's depending on what I have DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST set to. How do I see my lists from either hostname? TIA Con Wieland UC Irvine From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Dec 24 08:11:54 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 02:11:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] domains In-Reply-To: <006b01c3c9e9$8b4edc30$6501a8c0@Portknow> References: <006b01c3c9e9$8b4edc30$6501a8c0@Portknow> Message-ID: <20031224071154.GS9402@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Con Wieland wrote: > I have a host running mailman 2.0.13 It is named > maillists.my.domain, maillists.xxx.my.domain, and mailman.my.domain. > All are FQDN. All my lists appear when accessing any of these domain > names. > > I have set up a new server running 2.1.3 and I have the same senario > with two FQDN maillists.xxx.my.domain and maillists.my.domain > however my lists only show up on one or the other of the FQDN's > depending on what I have DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST set > to. How do I see my lists from either hostname? Check out the VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW setting. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Man has made use of his intelligence, he invented stupidity. -- Remy De Gourmant -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/6Tw5uv+09NZUB1oRAvN1AKDenXHvQQO2CBdmnVsD6jvFulppsACfZlxD 6m7nR48ClNb2Z7nQGtdsaCU= =EhbL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From g.halse at ru.ac.za Wed Dec 24 11:29:00 2003 From: g.halse at ru.ac.za (Guy Antony Halse) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:29:00 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no subjects in pipermail archive listing In-Reply-To: <20031217123312.GA8786@rucus.ru.ac.za> Message-ID: <20031224102900.GA70472@rucus.ru.ac.za> It seems that the problem is more interesting that I originally thought. What's happening is that arch isn't properly parsing the mbox, and is taking paragraphs that begin with a capitalised "From" to be be new mail messages (ie, it sees the "From" as a mbox From_ line). The no subject header comes because the messages aren't complete messages, they're just paragraphs that happen to start with the word "From", for example "From the Cisco Report ( 20h00 -> 22h00 )[2]". It only happens if the "F" is capitalised and "From" is the first word after a blank line. mutt somehow correctly interprets the "From" as part of the text, not an mbox From_ line. I'm presuming that it uses regex to match the envelope. I'm not sure how lines begining with "From" that aren't From_ lines are supposed to be quoted, and whether it is mailman or exim (our MTA) that is supposed to be doing the quoting. It seems that this only started happening when we upgraded to mailman 2.1.3, did anything change in the way it handled mboxes? - Guy -- Systems Manager, IT Division, Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa Email: G.Halse at ru.ac.za Web: http://mombe.org/ IRC: rm-rf at irc.zanet.net *** ANSI Standard Disclaimer *** J.A.P.H From simon at caperet.com Wed Dec 24 11:33:00 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:33:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no subjects in pipermail archive listing In-Reply-To: <20031224102900.GA70472@rucus.ru.ac.za> References: <20031217123312.GA8786@rucus.ru.ac.za> <20031224102900.GA70472@rucus.ru.ac.za> Message-ID: <20031224103259.GC19313@mediadev.com> 24-Dec-03 at 12:29, Guy Antony Halse (g.halse at ru.ac.za) wrote : > It seems that the problem is more interesting that I originally thought. > What's happening is that arch isn't properly parsing the mbox, and is taking > paragraphs that begin with a capitalised "From" to be be new mail messages > (ie, it sees the "From" as a mbox From_ line). > > The no subject header comes because the messages aren't complete messages, > they're just paragraphs that happen to start with the word "From", for > example "From the Cisco Report ( 20h00 -> 22h00 )[2]". It only happens if > the "F" is capitalised and "From" is the first word after a blank line. > > mutt somehow correctly interprets the "From" as part of the text, not an > mbox From_ line. I'm presuming that it uses regex to match the envelope. > > I'm not sure how lines begining with "From" that aren't From_ lines are > supposed to be quoted, and whether it is mailman or exim (our MTA) that is > supposed to be doing the quoting. They are supposed to be quoted as >From However there should be a way to parse the lines a bit better. The From lines usually contain a date (should be an RFC formatted date string, don't remember which RFC) and so on. Quick workaround : use an external archiver like MHonArc, which works wonderfully for me, and handles strange character quoting and HTML messages better than pipermail... -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From Michael at Jasinski.com Wed Dec 24 15:25:06 2003 From: Michael at Jasinski.com (Michael Jasinski) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 08:25:06 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Export Function? Message-ID: <000401c3ca29$bd746e60$408bfea9@MJX2Michael> Anyone - Is there an export of members somewhere as a Admin user / not host server ? REALLY REALLY Needed. Or if you know where the answer is ? Thanks in Advance & Happy Holiday's Michael Michael at Jasinski.com From jsmith at smittybuilt.com Wed Dec 24 15:59:55 2003 From: jsmith at smittybuilt.com (jsmith) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 06:59:55 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Export Function? Message-ID: Michael, Here is the line I use in cron to send me a backup of my list every Sunday night. You can of course modify this to create it to a file without emailing. /usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members YourListName | mail email at here.com Hope this helps Joseph Smith -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+jsmith=smittybuilt.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jsmith=smittybuilt.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Michael Jasinski Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 6:25 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Export Function? Anyone - Is there an export of members somewhere as a Admin user / not host server ? REALLY REALLY Needed. Or if you know where the answer is ? Thanks in Advance & Happy Holiday's Michael Michael at Jasinski.com ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jsmith at smittybuilt.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jsmith%40smittybuil t.com From paul at thcwd.com Wed Dec 24 18:36:18 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:36:18 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: how to configure mailman to use a specific python? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20031224113253.08435a68@mail.thcwd.com> Jon wrote: >The install on Ensim systems is documented by myself and a few other >hardy individuals, but it is not easy even for practiced professionals. Trying to swell my head? I did it as an absolute novice to not only Ensim, but also to Linux. Of course it took me months to get it right, and I could never have done it without the help of Jon and others here - this list rocks! >Great Thread! You should consider moving it into the FAQ. I can not get hold of the fellow who did the follow up to get his permission to add his. I guess I can put up my part and point to his. <>< Paul From paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com Wed Dec 24 18:39:51 2003 From: paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com (Paulo Dinis) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 17:39:51 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?utf-8?q?Attachment=C2=B4s_possibles_=3F?= In-Reply-To: <000401c3ca29$bd746e60$408bfea9@MJX2Michael> Message-ID: Hi everyone, Just a newbie here using mailmam. Is it possible to send attachment's over the list ? Thank?s Paulo Dinis Certified Safety Tecnician Ergonomist Website : http://www.paulodinis.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jasinski [mailto:Michael at Jasinski.com] Sent: quarta-feira, 24 de Dezembro de 2003 14:25 To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Export Function? Anyone - Is there an export of members somewhere as a Admin user / not host server ? REALLY REALLY Needed. Or if you know where the answer is ? Thanks in Advance & Happy Holiday's Michael Michael at Jasinski.com ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/paulo.dinis%40paulodinis.com From blist at prostream.net Wed Dec 24 18:51:52 2003 From: blist at prostream.net (blist) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:51:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan Web Not Taking Changes Message-ID: <3FE9D238.2000801@prostream.net> I installed mailman and have had a list running for ages now. It works great. Just the other day I added a new list to my system. I can access the admin page via the web but when i make changes and then submit the form the changes do not take place. I have checked all permissions and am out of ideas. I have all cached pages turned off in my browser. Any ideas? Tnx, Blist From johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Wed Dec 24 18:58:01 2003 From: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu (Chris Johnson) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:58:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan Web Not Taking Changes In-Reply-To: <3FE9D238.2000801@prostream.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Dec 2003, blist wrote: > I installed mailman and have had a list running for ages now. It works > great. Just the other day I added a new list to my system. I can > access the admin page via the web but when i make changes and then > submit the form the changes do not take place. I have checked all > permissions and am out of ideas. I have all cached pages turned off in > my browser. > > Any ideas? > > Tnx, > Blist > > Just was bit by something similar. Check for web server redirects. Check that the URLs used in the list are corect. Check source of the page before you submit for ACTION= and make sure it goes to the right system. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 149 (2301) 13th Street |"Survival is insufficient" Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA | Seven of nine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From blist at prostream.net Wed Dec 24 19:17:05 2003 From: blist at prostream.net (blist) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:17:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan Web Not Taking Changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FE9D821.5090408@prostream.net> I did check this. And it is the correct URL. I cannot figure out why it would work on the one list and not this new one. Chris Johnson wrote: >On Wed, 24 Dec 2003, blist wrote: > > > >>I installed mailman and have had a list running for ages now. It works >>great. Just the other day I added a new list to my system. I can >>access the admin page via the web but when i make changes and then >>submit the form the changes do not take place. I have checked all >>permissions and am out of ideas. I have all cached pages turned off in >>my browser. >> >>Any ideas? >> >>Tnx, >>Blist >> >> >> >> > > Just was bit by something similar. > > Check for web server redirects. Check that the URLs used in the >list are corect. Check source of the page before you submit for >ACTION= and make sure it goes to the right system. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu >Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson >NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 >Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 >149 (2301) 13th Street |"Survival is insufficient" >Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA | Seven of nine. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > From blist at prostream.net Wed Dec 24 19:21:27 2003 From: blist at prostream.net (blist) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:21:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan Web Not Taking Changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FE9D927.90108@prostream.net> Actually, now that I have looked at it more. My Servers URL is: http://www.prostream.net/mailman/admin/fma/general However the form port goes to:
http://prostream.net does redirect correctly, but maybe its loosing the POST information? How can i change the post form URL? Chris Johnson wrote: >On Wed, 24 Dec 2003, blist wrote: > > > >>I installed mailman and have had a list running for ages now. It works >>great. Just the other day I added a new list to my system. I can >>access the admin page via the web but when i make changes and then >>submit the form the changes do not take place. I have checked all >>permissions and am out of ideas. I have all cached pages turned off in >>my browser. >> >>Any ideas? >> >>Tnx, >>Blist >> >> >> >> > > Just was bit by something similar. > > Check for web server redirects. Check that the URLs used in the >list are corect. Check source of the page before you submit for >ACTION= and make sure it goes to the right system. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu >Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson >NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 >Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 >149 (2301) 13th Street |"Survival is insufficient" >Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA | Seven of nine. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > From johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Wed Dec 24 19:25:54 2003 From: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu (Chris Johnson) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:25:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan Web Not Taking Changes In-Reply-To: <3FE9D821.5090408@prostream.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Dec 2003, blist wrote: > I did check this. And it is the correct URL. I cannot figure out why > it would work on the one list and not this new one. > > Check cd ${MAILMAN} bin/dumpdb lists//config.pck | grep -i http also. And make sure no one altered mm_cfg.py. Check DEFAULT_URL_HOST. Beyond that, you got me, no clue. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 149 (2301) 13th Street |Life, a bad idea who's time is past. Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA | Me ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ecfarrow at paypal.com Wed Dec 24 23:52:34 2003 From: ecfarrow at paypal.com (Farrow, Ellen C.) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:52:34 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] nesting lists Message-ID: From blittle at elp.rr.com Thu Dec 25 07:03:59 2003 From: blittle at elp.rr.com (B-Little) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 23:03:59 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Achives Message-ID: <006c01c3caac$e3f7cf40$bdc9ae18@Bruce> Hello I was wondering if you achieves delete them selves or would we have to go in there and delete them ourselves. Thank you Bruce From kjell at planet.nl Wed Dec 24 01:02:21 2003 From: kjell at planet.nl (Kjell) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 01:02:21 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <000001c3c9b1$37557e50$9600000a@home381s7bapmv> Hello Sir / Miss I'm a Dutch guy and I have my own site for 3 months now. I want to make a news letter each month and send it to people who subscribed for it. My question is: Is this possible with Mailman. If yes are there any tutorials about how to do this. Because I have made a mail list on my web space account and watched it. But there are so many options. I hope u can an will help me with my problem. Thx in advance ================================== Thx in advance, Kjell Hoppenbrouwers Visit us at : www.pcinformatie.nl Forum : http://forums.pcinformatie.nl ================================== From sales at infogateindia.com Wed Dec 24 09:16:24 2003 From: sales at infogateindia.com (sales at infogateindia.com) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:46:24 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suport Message-ID: <003101c3c9f6$55c3f7f0$bcba003d@notebook> Dear Sir, We want to copy all the addresses in the list as a TXT file. Please help. Best Regards, Sudhir Kumar ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Infogate Technologies Road No. 2, Azad Basti Near Manifit, Post-Telco Jamshedpur-831004. India Tel: +91-6573320777 Fax: +91-6572271219 Cell: +91-9431111776 Yahoo Messenger: infogateindia MSN Messenger: sales at infogateindia.com Visit our website at www.infogateindia.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From gaf at blu.org Thu Dec 25 17:31:49 2003 From: gaf at blu.org (Jerry Feldman) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 11:31:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suport In-Reply-To: <003101c3c9f6$55c3f7f0$bcba003d@notebook> References: <003101c3c9f6$55c3f7f0$bcba003d@notebook> Message-ID: <20031225113149.18ebf11c@gaf.blu.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:46:24 +0530 wrote: > Dear Sir, > > We want to copy all the addresses in the list as a TXT file. Please > help. Use the list_members command: list_members -o list.txt listname - -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/6xD1+wA+1cUGHqkRAkZEAJ0TyiqqF8AsmgWWR+8oyxuWGDhm9wCfbrka YHmVGTvfygTi4YHbvafSW0U= =mQd/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gaf at blu.org Thu Dec 25 17:36:44 2003 From: gaf at blu.org (Jerry Feldman) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 11:36:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <000001c3c9b1$37557e50$9600000a@home381s7bapmv> References: <000001c3c9b1$37557e50$9600000a@home381s7bapmv> Message-ID: <20031225113644.0f12bf28@gaf.blu.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 01:02:21 +0100 Kjell wrote: > Hello Sir / Miss > > I'm a Dutch guy and I have my own site for 3 months now. I want to > make a news letter each month and send it to people who subscribed for > it. My question is: Is this possible with Mailman. If yes are there > any tutorials about how to do this. Because I have made a mail list on > my web space account and watched it. But there are so many options. > I hope u can an will help me with my problem. It works well. Just set up a list, On the privacy options, set "Must posts be approved by an administrator". This prevents any posting to the list except by your approval as administrator. You can also restrict subscriptions. - -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/6xIc+wA+1cUGHqkRArm8AJ9dUju6LiYfgHuadHobNs9ZX/b2DACgg2jC S4wZATMpYnEEH8KHIQH2A4I= =i4li -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Dec 25 20:08:51 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 25 Dec 2003 14:08:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Achives In-Reply-To: <006c01c3caac$e3f7cf40$bdc9ae18@Bruce> References: <006c01c3caac$e3f7cf40$bdc9ae18@Bruce> Message-ID: <1072379331.3225.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-12-25 at 01:03, B-Little wrote: > Hello I was wondering if you achieves delete them selves or would we have to go in there and delete them ourselves. > > Thank you > Bruce > > ______________________________________________________________________ Bruce, The archives need to be trimmed manually. I and others have donated some scripts which automate most of it. Those can be found deep in the archives of this list. The FAQ also has a nice section on how to edit/maintain the archives. Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py From jamie at silverdream.org Fri Dec 26 03:48:28 2003 From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 02:48:28 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not delivering mail back to Postfix Message-ID: <2003122624828.478409@oasis> Hey all, I've got postfix{-tls,-mysql}, Mailman, and postfix-to-mailman 2.1 (http://www.gurulabs.com/files/postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py) setup on Debian Sid (unstable): lorien:~# dpkg -l postfix* | grep ^ii ii postfix 2.0.16-4 A high-performance mail transport agent ii postfix-ldap 2.0.16-4 LDAP map support for Postfix ii postfix-mysql 2.0.16-4 MYSQL map support for Postfix ii postfix-pcre 2.0.16-4 PCRE map support for Postfix ii postfix-tls 2.0.16-4 TLS and SASL support for Postfix lorien:~# dpkg -l mailman* | grep ^ii ii mailman 2.1.3-2 Powerful, web-based mailing list manager I've setup a list using the web interface, and it's been added successfully: lorien:/var/lib/mailman/bin# ./list_lists 2 matching mailing lists found: Mailman - [no description available] sd-announce - Silverdream IS news lorien:/var/lib/mailman/bin# ./list_admins sd-announce List: sd-announce, Owners: root at silverdream.org Postfix shows that the mail has been sent to postfix-to-mailman: Dec 26 01:47:25 lorien amavis[2532]: (02532-02) Passed, -> , Message-ID: <2003122614544.831792 at oasis>, Hits: 0.048 Dec 26 01:47:26 lorien postfix/smtp[2786]: 376707846: to=, relay=192.168.1.6[192.168.1.6], delay=101, status=sent (250 2.6.0 Ok, id=02532-02, from MTA: 250 Ok: queued as 5175F7849) Dec 26 01:47:26 lorien amavis[2532]: (02532-02) ESMTP: NOTICE: client broke the connection without a QUIT Dec 26 01:47:29 lorien postfix/pipe[2799]: 5175F7849: to=, relay=mailman, delay=6, status=sent (lists.silverdream.org) Dec 26 02:33:39 lorien postfix/qmgr[2879]: E6558785E: from=, size=1374, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Dec 26 02:33:44 lorien amavis[2387]: (02387-05) Passed, -> , Message-ID: <2003122623310.760467 at oasis>, Hits: 0.051 Dec 26 02:33:45 lorien postfix/pipe[3122]: E6558785E: to=, relay=mailman, delay=7, status=sent (lists.silverdream.org) Dec 26 02:33:45 lorien postfix/smtp[3119]: 9FB6C7849: to=, relay=192.168.1.6[192.168.1.6], delay=36, status=sent (250 2.6.0 Ok, id=02387-05, from MTA: 250 Ok: queued as E6558785E) Dec 26 02:33:53 lorien cyrus/master[17529]: process 3108 exited, status 0 ...and all the mail is sitting in Mailman's queue: From: Jamie Penman-Smithson To: X-Mailer: PocoMail 3.03 (1740) - EVALUATION VERSION X-URL: http://www.pocomail.com/ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 02:33:10 GMT Message-ID: <2003122623310.760467 at oasis> Subject: subscribe It appears the mail is getting delivered to postfix-to-mailman.py and then to mailman, but after that nothing appears to happen. I've checked /var/log/mailman/errors, and it's empty. I did show-qfiles on the qfiles/virgin directory and it shows two outbound messages: ====================> /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/virgin/1072096291.5388401+f84a04ab843bf8cd7c1dca80b94fe25fc58b3b4f.pck MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Your new mailing list: mailman From: mailman-admin at lorien.silverdream.org To: jamie at silverdream.org Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:31:31 +0000 Precedence: bulk ====================> /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/virgin/1072401079.214362+11df5743f51e4cdca44869ec30d1dfde28869388.pck MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Your new mailing list: sd-announce From: mailman-admin at lists.silverdream.org To: root at silverdream.org Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 01:11:19 +0000 Precedence: bulk But none of it is ever getting back to postfix. I've checked my settings in /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py # Use Postfix as the MTA MTA = 'Postfix' # How to deliver mail DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' # Deliver to mailhost on port 25 SMTPHOST = 'lorien.silverdream.hq' SMTPPORT = 25 # default from smtplib I double-checked that my DNS was still okay (just to rule it out): lorien:/var/lib/mailman/bin# host lorien.silverdream.hq lorien.silverdream.hq has address 192.168.1.6 In case it was a permissions problem I ran check_perms: lorien:/var/lib/mailman/bin# ./check_perms /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.db owned by www-data (must be owned by list Problems found: 1 Re-run as list (or root) with -f flag to fix AFAIK this shouldn't stop mail from being delivered? Can anyone offer any suggestions? Help would be appreciated - I'm running out of ideas(!) Thanks in advance Happy Holidays, Jamie --- -jamie w: http://silverdream.org | p: sms at silverdream.org Support The Blue Ribbon Campaign - http://eff.org/brl From jose at ovillo.org Fri Dec 26 12:17:56 2003 From: jose at ovillo.org (jose florido) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 12:17:56 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with bounces References: <2003122624828.478409@oasis> Message-ID: <001201c3cba1$e9f69390$02001aac@NUEVO> Hello, I'm new at administering a mailman list and I'm having problems with bounces. Every time someone write to the list I receive lots of mails notificating bounces. after receiving them I enter the administrative interface and I find checked the nomail check box with reason [B] and then I uncheck it. I don't know wether the people having bounces are receiving email from the list or not even after my having unchecked the box. can anybody help me? thanks in advance :) I enclose below the error email I'm receiving: P.d: I apologize for my english mistakes. -------------------------------------------- This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: xxx at xxx.net unrouteable mail domain "xxxxxx.net" .......... (nearly all subscribers are in this list) ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ Return-path: Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=canario.hospedajededicado.com) by canario.hospedajededicado.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AYL0d-0006DN-VA; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:01:47 +0100 Received: from [213.4.129.135] (helo=tnetsmtp2.mail.isp) by canario.hospedajededicado.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AYKv1-00063k-Na for ovillo at ovillo.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:55:59 +0100 Received: from NUEVO ([80.34.134.231]) by tnetsmtp2.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id HQAE1B00.MHG for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:55:59 +0100 Message-ID: <003701c3c861$16e67210$02001aac at NUEVO> From: "jose florido" To: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:56:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:01:46 +0100 Cc: Subject: [Ovillo] Feliz Navidad X-BeenThere: Ovillo at ovillo.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: jose florido List-Id: Lista de distribucion sobre CSS, Web standards, accesibilidad, etc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: Ovillo-bounces at ovillo.org Errors-To: Ovillo-bounces at ovillo.org ?Feliz navidad y prospero a?o! A ver si este a?o los reyes nos traen portatiles para todos :D --------------------------------------- Jose Florido - Administrador de Ovillo _______________________________________________ Ovillo mailing list Ovillo at ovillo.org http://ovillo.org/mailman/listinfo/ovillo_ovillo.org From ken at kyler.net Fri Dec 26 13:39:46 2003 From: ken at kyler.net (Ken Kyler) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 07:39:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Possible bug with confirmation string & excessive bounces Message-ID: We recently upgraded to Mailman 2.1.3. On one list (an unmoderated list), I get the following message: "Your membership in the mailing list Delphi-Talk has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 25-Dec-2003. You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like this before your membership in the list is deleted." When I follow the provided link, I get the following error message: "Bad confirmation string Invalid confirmation string: e00502102de3e568a5354639dbdcd116cf11a44a. Note that confirmation strings expire approximately 3 days after the initial subscription request. If your confirmation has expired, please try to re-submit your subscription. Otherwise, re-enter your confirmation string." I've searched the lists and find that this error is mentioned often but no solution is given. Any thoughts? Ken From ken at kyler.com Thu Dec 25 18:39:52 2003 From: ken at kyler.com (Ken Kyler) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 12:39:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Possible bug with confirmation string & excessive bounces Message-ID: We recently upgraded to Mailman 2.1.3. On one list (an unmoderated list), I get the following message: "Your membership in the mailing list Delphi-Talk has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 25-Dec-2003. You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like this before your membership in the list is deleted." When I follow the provided link, I get the following error message: "Bad confirmation string Invalid confirmation string: e00502102de3e568a5354639dbdcd116cf11a44a. Note that confirmation strings expire approximately 3 days after the initial subscription request. If your confirmation has expired, please try to re-submit your subscription. Otherwise, re-enter your confirmation string." I've searched the lists and find that this error is mentioned often but no solution is given. Any thoughts? Ken From matis at bonet.sk Fri Dec 26 11:47:53 2003 From: matis at bonet.sk (=?iso-8859-2?b?TWF0+rkg?= =?iso-8859-2?b?UGV0cnW14Ws=?=) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:47:53 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error - only sometimes Message-ID: <1072435673.3fec11d97c2e8@www.bonet.sk> hello! i am running debian woody with apache 1.3.26 and mailman version 2.0.11 both are default in debian woody and when i am administrating mailinglists or when i just visit 'listinfo' page i sometimes get Internal Server Error. But only sometimes. For example when i refresh 'listinfo' page for the 7th time i get ISE. in /var/log/apache/error.log: Premature end of script headers: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo in /var/log/apache/suexec.log: [2003-12-26 11:43:50]: info: (target/actual) uid: (root/root) gid: (root/root) cmd: listinfo [2003-12-26 11:43:50]: crit: cannot run as forbidden uid (0/listinfo) i chceckd the permissions of listinfo, but i get only this and i think it is correct -rwxr-sr-x 1 root list 5596 Sep 18 2002 listinfo Please can you help me, or tell me where did i make a mistake? Thanks. Matus Petrulak From rgpg at technologist.com Thu Dec 25 22:06:20 2003 From: rgpg at technologist.com (Roberto Perez) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 16:06:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] addition to TODO list Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20031225160422.02a085a0@mailer.fsu.edu> Hi, I'm not sure that this is the right address to send this, but here it goes: Addition to Mailman: - Allow users to retrieve password via email commands, not only via the web interface. When a spammer subscribes people and disables the web interface, those individuals are left with no means to unsubscribe themselves, since they cannot get the password sent to them. Roberto Perez rgpg at technologist.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Dec 26 17:54:47 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 26 Dec 2003 11:54:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] addition to TODO list In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20031225160422.02a085a0@mailer.fsu.edu> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20031225160422.02a085a0@mailer.fsu.edu> Message-ID: <1072457687.3223.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-12-25 at 16:06, Roberto Perez wrote: > Hi, > > I'm not sure that this is the right address to send this, but here it goes: > > Addition to Mailman: > - Allow users to retrieve password via email commands, not only via the web > interface. When a spammer subscribes people and disables the web interface, > those individuals are left with no means to unsubscribe themselves, since > they cannot get the password sent to them. > > > Roberto Perez > rgpg at technologist.com > Fortunately Roberto, most spammers don't use Mailman. There is a *lot* of other programs out there that allow them to spam from windows boxes (as well as Unix). Santa has already answered your "ToDo" request, The password command retrieves passwords via email - though it is unnecessary as the unsubscribe command removes folks without need of the password - you have to respond to the email as a confirmation. HoHoHo Merry Christmas! Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Dec 26 17:58:35 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 26 Dec 2003 11:58:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not delivering mail back to Postfix In-Reply-To: <2003122624828.478409@oasis> References: <2003122624828.478409@oasis> Message-ID: <1072457915.3223.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Is Mailmanctl running? FAQ 3.14 covers a lot of ground in this area. You might find it helpful... if not, you might add to it after you fix your problem :-) Jon Carnes On Thu, 2003-12-25 at 21:48, Jamie Penman-Smithson wrote: > Hey all, > > I've got postfix{-tls,-mysql}, Mailman, and postfix-to-mailman 2.1 (http://www.gurulabs.com/files/postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py) setup on Debian Sid (unstable): > > lorien:~# dpkg -l postfix* | grep ^ii > ii postfix 2.0.16-4 A high-performance mail transport agent > ii postfix-ldap 2.0.16-4 LDAP map support for Postfix > ii postfix-mysql 2.0.16-4 MYSQL map support for Postfix > ii postfix-pcre 2.0.16-4 PCRE map support for Postfix > ii postfix-tls 2.0.16-4 TLS and SASL support for Postfix > > lorien:~# dpkg -l mailman* | grep ^ii > ii mailman 2.1.3-2 Powerful, web-based mailing list manager > > I've setup a list using the web interface, and it's been added successfully: > > lorien:/var/lib/mailman/bin# ./list_lists > 2 matching mailing lists found: > Mailman - [no description available] > sd-announce - Silverdream IS news > lorien:/var/lib/mailman/bin# ./list_admins sd-announce > List: sd-announce, Owners: root at silverdream.org > > Postfix shows that the mail has been sent to postfix-to-mailman: > > Dec 26 01:47:25 lorien amavis[2532]: (02532-02) Passed, -> , Message-ID: <2003122614544.831792 at oasis>, Hits: 0.048 > Dec 26 01:47:26 lorien postfix/smtp[2786]: 376707846: to=, relay=192.168.1.6[192.168.1.6], delay=101, status=sent (250 2.6.0 Ok, id=02532-02, from MTA: 250 Ok: queued as 5175F7849) > Dec 26 01:47:26 lorien amavis[2532]: (02532-02) ESMTP: NOTICE: client broke the connection without a QUIT > Dec 26 01:47:29 lorien postfix/pipe[2799]: 5175F7849: to=, relay=mailman, delay=6, status=sent (lists.silverdream.org) > > Dec 26 02:33:39 lorien postfix/qmgr[2879]: E6558785E: from=, size=1374, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > Dec 26 02:33:44 lorien amavis[2387]: (02387-05) Passed, -> , Message-ID: <2003122623310.760467 at oasis>, Hits: 0.051 > Dec 26 02:33:45 lorien postfix/pipe[3122]: E6558785E: to=, relay=mailman, delay=7, status=sent (lists.silverdream.org) > Dec 26 02:33:45 lorien postfix/smtp[3119]: 9FB6C7849: to=, relay=192.168.1.6[192.168.1.6], delay=36, status=sent (250 2.6.0 Ok, id=02387-05, from MTA: 250 Ok: queued as E6558785E) > Dec 26 02:33:53 lorien cyrus/master[17529]: process 3108 exited, status 0 > > ...and all the mail is sitting in Mailman's queue: > > From: Jamie Penman-Smithson > To: > X-Mailer: PocoMail 3.03 (1740) - EVALUATION VERSION > X-URL: http://www.pocomail.com/ > Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 02:33:10 GMT > Message-ID: <2003122623310.760467 at oasis> > Subject: subscribe > > It appears the mail is getting delivered to postfix-to-mailman.py and then to mailman, but after that nothing appears to happen. I've checked /var/log/mailman/errors, and it's empty. > > I did show-qfiles on the qfiles/virgin directory and it shows two outbound messages: > > ====================> /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/virgin/1072096291.5388401+f84a04ab843bf8cd7c1dca80b94fe25fc58b3b4f.pck > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Subject: Your new mailing list: mailman > From: mailman-admin at lorien.silverdream.org > To: jamie at silverdream.org > Message-ID: > Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:31:31 +0000 > Precedence: bulk > > ====================> /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/virgin/1072401079.214362+11df5743f51e4cdca44869ec30d1dfde28869388.pck > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Subject: Your new mailing list: sd-announce > From: mailman-admin at lists.silverdream.org > To: root at silverdream.org > Message-ID: > Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 01:11:19 +0000 > Precedence: bulk > > But none of it is ever getting back to postfix. I've checked my settings in /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py > > # Use Postfix as the MTA > MTA = 'Postfix' > > # How to deliver mail > DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' > > # Deliver to mailhost on port 25 > SMTPHOST = 'lorien.silverdream.hq' > SMTPPORT = 25 # default from smtplib > > I double-checked that my DNS was still okay (just to rule it out): > lorien:/var/lib/mailman/bin# host lorien.silverdream.hq > lorien.silverdream.hq has address 192.168.1.6 > > In case it was a permissions problem I ran check_perms: > > lorien:/var/lib/mailman/bin# ./check_perms > /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.db owned by www-data (must be owned by list > > Problems found: 1 > Re-run as list (or root) with -f flag to fix > > AFAIK this shouldn't stop mail from being delivered? > > Can anyone offer any suggestions? Help would be appreciated - I'm running out of ideas(!) > > Thanks in advance > > Happy Holidays, > > Jamie > > --- > -jamie > w: http://silverdream.org | p: sms at silverdream.org > Support The Blue Ribbon Campaign - http://eff.org/brl > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From emechler at techometer.net Sat Dec 27 01:42:45 2003 From: emechler at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 16:42:45 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan Web Not Taking Changes In-Reply-To: <3FE9D927.90108@prostream.net> References: <3FE9D927.90108@prostream.net> Message-ID: <20031227004245.GA9522@techometer.net> :: Actually, now that I have looked at it more. My Servers URL is: :: :: http://www.prostream.net/mailman/admin/fma/general :: :: However the form port goes to: :: :: :: :: http://prostream.net does redirect correctly, but maybe its loosing the :: POST information? How can i change the post form URL? Yeah, this is defintely your problem. You can change the list URL problem by using the withlist program in ~mailman/bin/: ./withlist -l -r fix_url [listname] -u prostream.net -v Then you can use the information in Chris's previous post to check that the web_page_url setting in the config file has been modified properly. Cheers - Erick From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Sat Dec 27 02:08:59 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 20:08:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with bounces In-Reply-To: <044801c3c89a$6a5c79b0$02001aac@NUEVO> References: <044801c3c89a$6a5c79b0$02001aac@NUEVO> Message-ID: <20031227010859.GA9402@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 jose florido wrote: > Hello, I'm new at administering a mailman list and I'm having > problems with bounces. [...] > I enclose below the error email I'm receiving: [...] > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A > message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) > failed: > > xxx at xxx.net unrouteable mail domain "xxxxxx.net" > > .......... (nearly all subscribers are in this list) You should send this info to your hosting company. Looking at the listname in the headers of the mail you sent (ovillo_ovillo.org), I can tell they are running cPanel software to manage their systems (which may or may not have anything to do with the problem). I had the same problem with a hosting company a friend was using. Upon informing them of this problem, they tried to deny that the problem was on their end, instead claiming that most of the rest of the internet was unrouteable. After a few emails explaining that their explanation was bogus, they admitted that they had some problems with their mailserver. They tried to fix it, but the problem still occasionally returns, from what my friend tells me. If your hosting company proves similarly inept, the best thing to do is go elsewhere. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Reason obeys itself; and ignorance does whatever is dictated to it. -- Thomas Paine -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/7Nuruv+09NZUB1oRAoHpAKCPYa+ta+pRlcyE+tkYK7ym3Qae5gCfU51r wBpug8LNR0g+7ZcA5pf8hhk= =XCbF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Dec 27 02:34:39 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 26 Dec 2003 20:34:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: addition to TODO list In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20031226183856.02b59460@mailer.fsu.edu> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20031225160422.02a085a0@mailer.fsu.edu> <5.1.1.5.2.20031225160422.02a085a0@mailer.fsu.edu> <5.1.1.5.2.20031226183856.02b59460@mailer.fsu.edu> Message-ID: <1072488879.4696.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> A sad tale indeed. Edit your mailservers /etc/mail/access file and put a big fat REJECT by his domain name! Good luck - Jon Carnes On Fri, 2003-12-26 at 18:49, Roberto Perez wrote: > At 11:54 AM 12/26/03, Jon Carnes wrote: > > >Fortunately Roberto, most spammers don't use Mailman. There is a *lot* > >of other programs out there that allow them to spam from windows boxes > >(as well as Unix). > > That's true in most cases, but in our university we are being spammed with > a news bulletin no one subscribed to, managed by a mailman program. The > spammer has disabled the web interface, and since we did not subscribe > ourselves, we don't have the individual passwords to unsubscribe via email. > In the wrong hands, mailman can unfortunately be a powerful tool ... > > > >Santa has already answered your "ToDo" request, The password command > >retrieves passwords via email > > I got the "help" file from the mailman-administered list described above > (version 2.0.11), and there was no "password" command. Are we maybe talking > about different versions of mailman? Or maybe the "password" command is not > documented in the help file? > > > >- though it is unnecessary as the > >unsubscribe command removes folks without need of the password - you > >have to respond to the email as a confirmation. > > Actually, in this case that I'm describing, sending an email to > "list-request" with an "unsubscribe" command does not work. The message is > rejected with a note saying the right command should be "unsubscribe > ", and no confirmation is sent. > > > So, if you (or anyone else) know how to either recover our individual > passwords without a web interface, or unsubscribe in some other way, I'd > appreciate ideas/suggestions. > > Regards, > > > Roberto Perez > rgpg at technologist.com > > From brett at cloud9.net Sat Dec 27 07:20:59 2003 From: brett at cloud9.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 01:20:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] tokens for confirmations are too long Message-ID: Folks- The (IMHO) excessively long tokens are causing considerable confusion on the lists I help run. The problem is that any URL longer than 80 characters will be chopped by many mail clients- Eudora, for example. Let's be realistic- just 3 alphanumerics would allow for 46,656 unique IDs. 8 would allow for 2.8x10^12. Ie, a lot. The current tokens are 40 characters long- that's 1.7x10^62 combinations. So- consider this a combo bug report(URLs are so long they get munged because the token is half the word-wrap alone), and feature request. I think 4 characters would be plenty(1.6+ million combos). Not to mention, it makes it much less of a deal to have a clickable URL in the first place if the token's only 4 characters. Brett -- ---- "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin http://www.users.cloud9.net/~brett/ From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Sat Dec 27 16:09:13 2003 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:09:13 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] tokens for confirmations are too long References: Message-ID: brett at cloud9.net (Brett Dikeman) scripsit/wrote: > The problem is that any URL longer than 80 characters will be chopped > by many mail clients- Eudora, for example. Perhaps one should rather fix such broken clients? -thh From david at midrange.com Sat Dec 27 17:19:50 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:19:50 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: tokens for confirmations are too long In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thomas Hochstein wrote: >>The problem is that any URL longer than 80 characters will be chopped >>by many mail clients- Eudora, for example. > Perhaps one should rather fix such broken clients? If only that were feasable. :) Far easier to change one product, to provide a more compatible token, than to fix multiple mail clients to deal with the incompatible token. From david at midrange.com Sat Dec 27 17:26:36 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:26:36 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Invalid reactivation tokens? Message-ID: Folks: I've had a number of people mention to me that, when their mailing list subscription gets deactivated due to mail bounces, when they try to reactivate their subscription using the mailed token, Mailman tells them that the token is invalid. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there a fix? Any suggestions on how to replicate it? Thanks! david From paul at thcwd.com Sat Dec 27 19:43:46 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:43:46 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: tokens for confirmations are too long In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20031227122659.086ddec0@mail.thcwd.com> Brett Dikeman: >The problem is that any URL longer than 80 characters will be chopped >by many mail clients- Eudora, for example. I use Eudora and have no such problem. I just sent myself one as a test, and the confirmation URL, at 144 characters, is on one line. Even when I down size the window to force the link to wrap, it's still clickable. The cut and paste reply line is well below 80 characters, so I can't see a problem there either. Maybe it's your settings in Eudora? Thomas Hochstein wrote: >Perhaps one should rather fix such broken clients? and David Gibbs replied: >If only that were feasable. :) > >Far easier to change one product, to provide a more compatible token, >than to fix multiple mail clients to deal with the incompatible token. Mailman is hardly the only system using long tokens. confirm 797bd1e14586d2a80577f886dbdb045f5aee82ee <>< Paul From wildone at for-wild.org Sat Dec 27 21:36:22 2003 From: wildone at for-wild.org (wildone at for-wild.org) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 15:36:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to remove all members from web? Message-ID: <1072557382.3feded463f7bb@64.246.56.47> How can I remove all members of a MailMan mailing list? I know about the remove_members and sync_members scripts, but I don't have admin permissions, I can only access MailMan via CPanel provided by my ISP. The interface is: http://mydomain/mailman/admin/mylist_mydomain/members/remove Looks like I can give a list of addresses, which are passed through the "unsubscribees" variable. Is there some way I can remove all members, without having to give a long list? Wild Pete From Freddy_K at wiredirc.net Sun Dec 28 17:13:42 2003 From: Freddy_K at wiredirc.net (Julian Ohm) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:13:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderated list Message-ID: <000d01c3cd5d$91f91a60$0206a8c0@freddy> hi I had to make my mailing list moderated for some days. I used the emergency option for that. but now i have all moderate fields off but mailman always tells me and the users that the list is moderated. I don't want to delete that list and make a new one. I hope someone can help me sincerely Julian Ohm From rgpg at technologist.com Sat Dec 27 00:49:27 2003 From: rgpg at technologist.com (Roberto Perez) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 18:49:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: addition to TODO list In-Reply-To: <1072457687.3223.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20031225160422.02a085a0@mailer.fsu.edu> <5.1.1.5.2.20031225160422.02a085a0@mailer.fsu.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20031226183856.02b59460@mailer.fsu.edu> At 11:54 AM 12/26/03, Jon Carnes wrote: >Fortunately Roberto, most spammers don't use Mailman. There is a *lot* >of other programs out there that allow them to spam from windows boxes >(as well as Unix). That's true in most cases, but in our university we are being spammed with a news bulletin no one subscribed to, managed by a mailman program. The spammer has disabled the web interface, and since we did not subscribe ourselves, we don't have the individual passwords to unsubscribe via email. In the wrong hands, mailman can unfortunately be a powerful tool ... >Santa has already answered your "ToDo" request, The password command >retrieves passwords via email I got the "help" file from the mailman-administered list described above (version 2.0.11), and there was no "password" command. Are we maybe talking about different versions of mailman? Or maybe the "password" command is not documented in the help file? >- though it is unnecessary as the >unsubscribe command removes folks without need of the password - you >have to respond to the email as a confirmation. Actually, in this case that I'm describing, sending an email to "list-request" with an "unsubscribe" command does not work. The message is rejected with a note saying the right command should be "unsubscribe ", and no confirmation is sent. So, if you (or anyone else) know how to either recover our individual passwords without a web interface, or unsubscribe in some other way, I'd appreciate ideas/suggestions. Regards, Roberto Perez rgpg at technologist.com From alias2 at crotchett.com Sun Dec 28 16:29:14 2003 From: alias2 at crotchett.com (backdoc) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:29:14 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] new trouble with existing lists Message-ID: <3FEEF6CA.7090107@crotchett.com> Problem description: I can no longer subscribe to or send mail to my lists. Here's some detail. From the standpoint of being able to use the mailing lists (subscribe, post messages, etc), the lists had been working for several weeks. Then, spontaneously, all of the normal list server tasks quit working except for the web interface. Attempting to subscribe to a mailing list results in a page that says a "confirmation has been sent ...". But, I never receive that confirmation mail. I have looked at all of the logs in /mailman/logs to see if I could see any references to my attempts to subscribe to the list. But, I do not. /var/log/messages does not show any references to Mailman either. My mail server is Postfix. It seems to operate normally in every way. Some possible clues: I don't really have any strong suspicions that point to a particular culprit. I don't generally muck around with my server except to keep the installed software up to date via portupgrade. I don't really remember if the lists not working coorelates to running portupgrade. But, I don't think so. Due to the fact that I own 2 domains and the domain name for the box is not the same domain name of the list I have created the lists for, there was a minor issue regarding the wrong URL showing up on the web interface portion of Mailman. It was showing the box domain name as opposed to the list domain name. The incorrect URL did not appear to have an adverse affect. But, it was potentially confusing for users. So, I made a few attempts to correct it by altering the mm_cfg.py file. In spite of some good suggestions here on the mailman-users list, I never resolved that problem. Again, I can't associate Mailman breaking with attempts to fix the URL problem. What additional info can I give you to help you help me? That's about all that I can think of to shed light on the problem. Not seeing anything in the log files, I don't really know how to backtrace the problem? Even though I don't feel like I broke it by editing the mm_cfg.py file or running portupgrade, I'm sure that I have somehow broken it. Any suggestions would be very much appreciated. TIA, Darren From theall at tifaware.com Sun Dec 28 17:42:53 2003 From: theall at tifaware.com (George Theall) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:42:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: addition to TODO list In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20031226183856.02b59460@mailer.fsu.edu> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20031225160422.02a085a0@mailer.fsu.edu> <5.1.1.5.2.20031225160422.02a085a0@mailer.fsu.edu> <5.1.1.5.2.20031226183856.02b59460@mailer.fsu.edu> Message-ID: <20031228164253.GB3489@tifaware.com> On Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at 06:49:27PM -0500, Roberto Perez wrote: > That's true in most cases, but in our university we are being spammed with > a news bulletin no one subscribed to, managed by a mailman program. The > spammer has disabled the web interface, and since we did not subscribe > ourselves, we don't have the individual passwords to unsubscribe via email. If a "spammer" is going to such trouble, I imagine he/she would also do things like not have -leave/unsubscribe aliases, require approval to unsubscribe, sync the list periodically with an external source, etc. I think you're better off treating the source as you would any other spammer: complain to his/her provider, report to blocklist(s), block / filter messages from the source, and the like. George -- theall at tifaware.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031228/b90ff9f6/attachment.pgp From keith at jillings.org.uk Sun Dec 28 17:54:19 2003 From: keith at jillings.org.uk (Keith Jillings) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:54:19 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to get subscribers list? Message-ID: <3FEF0ABB.1020906@jillings.org.uk> We recently changed our list from Majordomo to Mailman. Mailman is generally a lot easier to work with, except that I can't get it to send me the full list of subscribers - the command that in Majordomo was "approve who ". I've searched the archive as best as I can, but can't find anything about this. The server is commercially hosted, and I don't have access to "bin" and the like. Can anyone help? Is there a command I can mail to the server that will do this? Keith -- Keith Jillings From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Dec 28 18:20:04 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 28 Dec 2003 12:20:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] new trouble with existing lists In-Reply-To: <3FEEF6CA.7090107@crotchett.com> References: <3FEEF6CA.7090107@crotchett.com> Message-ID: <1072632004.14016.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Read FAQ 3.14 It looks like either your cron daemon is not running (for Mailman versions 2.0.x and below) - or your mailmanctl daemon is not runing (for Mailman versions 2.1.x and above). Jon Carnes On Sun, 2003-12-28 at 10:29, backdoc wrote: > Problem description: > > I can no longer subscribe to or send mail to my lists. > > Here's some detail. > > From the standpoint of being able to use the mailing lists (subscribe, > post messages, etc), the lists had been working for several weeks. > Then, spontaneously, all of the normal list server tasks quit working > except for the web interface. Attempting to subscribe to a mailing list > results in a page that says a "confirmation has been sent ...". But, I > never receive that confirmation mail. > > I have looked at all of the logs in /mailman/logs to see if I could see > any references to my attempts to subscribe to the list. But, I do not. > /var/log/messages does not show any references to Mailman either. > > My mail server is Postfix. It seems to operate normally in every way. > > Some possible clues: > > I don't really have any strong suspicions that point to a particular > culprit. I don't generally muck around with my server except to keep > the installed software up to date via portupgrade. I don't really > remember if the lists not working coorelates to running portupgrade. > But, I don't think so. > > Due to the fact that I own 2 domains and the domain name for the box is > not the same domain name of the list I have created the lists for, there > was a minor issue regarding the wrong URL showing up on the web > interface portion of Mailman. It was showing the box domain name as > opposed to the list domain name. The incorrect URL did not appear to > have an adverse affect. But, it was potentially confusing for users. > So, I made a few attempts to correct it by altering the mm_cfg.py file. > In spite of some good suggestions here on the mailman-users list, I > never resolved that problem. Again, I can't associate Mailman breaking > with attempts to fix the URL problem. > > What additional info can I give you to help you help me? > > That's about all that I can think of to shed light on the problem. Not > seeing anything in the log files, I don't really know how to backtrace > the problem? Even though I don't feel like I broke it by editing the > mm_cfg.py file or running portupgrade, I'm sure that I have somehow > broken it. > > Any suggestions would be very much appreciated. > > TIA, > Darren > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From usemike at spamblocked.com Sun Dec 28 23:51:05 2003 From: usemike at spamblocked.com (Michael Baehr) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:51:05 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Yet another "mailman on a nonstandard port" question Message-ID: <51B04868-3988-11D8-8643-000502FBAABC@spamblocked.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Our ISP, like many others, does not allow inbound port 80 (in fact, they disabled it recently without so much as telling us, before which I had run a web server rather successfully... cheeky bastards). I've set up Apache to listen on a nonstandard port (312) and configured Mailman 2.1.3 to do the same. I have replaced my host with foo.com. Here is my mm_cfg.py: MTA = 'Postfix' IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mail.foo.com' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'foo.com' DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s:312/mailman/' PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s:312/pipermail/%(listname)s' # add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) I have run the fix_url script on both lists currently on the server (mailman and testinglist), and restarted mailman with mailmanctl. When I connect to my host, I get the strangest thing. The links to both lists are correct. However, some links are horribly borked, for example: Create a new mailing list, which should be http://foo.com:312/mailman/create, is: http://foo.com:312/mailman/http://foo.com:312:312/mailman/create Mailing list overview page is: http://foo.com:312/mailman/http://foo.com:312:312/mailman/listinfo :O Likewise my email, which should be at DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, is misreported ( the mailto link is likewise broken ) " Send questions and comments to mailman at foo.com:312 " What could be responsible for this? I hope I've given you enough information to at least scratch your heads for a bit. Thanks for your help. - - Mike Baehr -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQE/715eEE/935L/FjcRAirzAJ4tPBRUiJpPR+kp3MXCeR1KoOnU7gCdFSxu RIlZZ2+9TbB+YmdC0TqEBBk= =Rk0C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Mon Dec 29 00:03:04 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:03:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Yet another "mailman on a nonstandard port" question In-Reply-To: <51B04868-3988-11D8-8643-000502FBAABC@spamblocked.com> References: <51B04868-3988-11D8-8643-000502FBAABC@spamblocked.com> Message-ID: <20031228230304.GE9402@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Michael Baehr wrote: > I've set up Apache to listen on a nonstandard port (312) and configured > Mailman 2.1.3 to do the same. > > I have replaced my host with foo.com. Here is my mm_cfg.py: > > MTA = 'Postfix' > IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/' > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mail.foo.com' > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'foo.com' > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s:312/mailman/' > PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s:312/pipermail/%(listname)s' > # add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) You show here that you've got add_virtualhost commented out. So, according to the comments in Defaults.py, the values you entered in mm_cfg.py won't get used properly: # If you don't need to change DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and # DEFAULT_URL_HOST in your mm_cfg.py, then you're done; the # default mapping is added automatically. If however you change # either variable in your mm_cfg.py, then be sure to also include # the following: # # add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) I would be curious to know what the settings for DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST are in Defaults.py. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== You have to be 100% behind someone, before you can stab them in the back. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/72Eouv+09NZUB1oRAjY/AJwID595mhX33BOKwIVCl1J/D7hvWwCg/JH7 aPUyLacOZzFCxK+NQSHxpg0= =Q2Pp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From usemike at spamblocked.com Mon Dec 29 00:27:04 2003 From: usemike at spamblocked.com (Michael Baehr) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:27:04 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Yet another "mailman on a nonstandard port" question In-Reply-To: <20031228230304.GE9402@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <58554776-398D-11D8-8643-000502FBAABC@spamblocked.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, December 28, 2003, at 05:03 PM, Todd wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Michael Baehr wrote: >> I've set up Apache to listen on a nonstandard port (312) and >> configured >> Mailman 2.1.3 to do the same. >> >> I have replaced my host with foo.com. Here is my mm_cfg.py: >> >> MTA = 'Postfix' >> IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/' >> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mail.foo.com' >> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'foo.com' >> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s:312/mailman/' >> PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s:312/pipermail/%(listname)s' >> # add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) > > You show here that you've got add_virtualhost commented out. So, > according to the comments in Defaults.py, the values you entered in > mm_cfg.py won't get used properly: > > # If you don't need to change DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and > # DEFAULT_URL_HOST in your mm_cfg.py, then you're done; the > # default mapping is added automatically. If however you change > # either variable in your mm_cfg.py, then be sure to also include > # the following: > # > # add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) > > I would be curious to know what the settings for DEFAULT_URL_HOST and > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST are in Defaults.py. > > - -- > Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp > ====================================================================== > You have to be 100% behind someone, before you can stab them in the > back. > > I remember disabling that in a vain attempt to debug. After reenabling it, running fix_url on both lists, and restarting, the problem still persists. The values I have defined in defaults.py are: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'foo.com' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'foo.com' DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/' I must note that when I go to the listinfo page for any particular list, the mailto is correct, for example testinglist at mail.foo.com. Why is it using my DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST for some emails but not others? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQE/72bLEE/935L/FjcRApV0AJ0QZoSakcjt5gLP1ayHS/6i63Bb9QCgxAIf kmXO4zqG2ipkfmNAKp4GVuc= =36OT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From casoftcol at yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 00:37:13 2003 From: casoftcol at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Carlos=20andres=20Becerra?=) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:37:13 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan Problem -No template file found- Message-ID: <20031228233713.54423.qmail@web21104.mail.yahoo.com> Hi. I'm install RPM mailman-2.1.2-9mdk.i586.rpm Next, i modify in the mm_cfg.py DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'ccasoft.org' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'ccasoft.org' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) MTA = 'Postfix' and create new mailman list, by have this error: Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 61, in main list_listinfo(mlist, language) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 202, in list_listinfo doc.AddItem(mlist.ParseTags('listinfo.html', replacements, lang)) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py", line 354, in ParseTags text = Utils.maketext(template, raw=1, lang=lang, mlist=self) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 467, in maketext raise IOError(errno.ENOENT, 'No template file found', templatefile) IOError: [Errno 2] No template file found: 'listinfo.html' The list is install in http://xunilombia.ccasoft.org/mailman/listinfo If you like look all errors Thanks for your help Carlos Andres http://xunilombia.ccasoft.org ___________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Nueva versi?n GRATIS Super Webcam, voz, caritas animadas, y m?s... http://messenger.yahoo.es From michael at espersunited.com Mon Dec 29 01:16:37 2003 From: michael at espersunited.com (Michael Sullivan) Date: 28 Dec 2003 18:16:37 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface problem, possibly permissions... Message-ID: <1072656996.2913.5.camel@baby.espersunited.com> I finally got the mailman daemon to run (I checked ps and it IS actually running!!!!), but whenever I try to use the web interface, anything under http://www.espersunited.com/mailman/ gives a Server Error 500. I've encountered error 500 before in my experimentation with CGI and then it meant that the permissions on the files the browser was trying to access were not set correctly. This would be easy to fix, except I don't know where the files are. My main mailman directory is in /var/mailman. Can anyone help me??? -Michael Sullivan From emechler at techometer.net Mon Dec 29 01:20:01 2003 From: emechler at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:20:01 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface problem, possibly permissions... In-Reply-To: <1072656996.2913.5.camel@baby.espersunited.com> References: <1072656996.2913.5.camel@baby.espersunited.com> Message-ID: <20031229002001.GL9522@techometer.net> :: I finally got the mailman daemon to run (I checked ps and it IS actually :: running!!!!), but whenever I try to use the web interface, anything :: under http://www.espersunited.com/mailman/ gives a Server Error 500. Have you run the ~mailman/bin/check_perms script? What does it say? Also, what do your http {error,access} files say when you try to pull up a mailman page? From michael at espersunited.com Mon Dec 29 02:04:58 2003 From: michael at espersunited.com (Michael Sullivan) Date: 28 Dec 2003 19:04:58 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Web Interface Problem Message-ID: <1072659897.2913.15.camel@baby.espersunited.com> I can access below /mailman, but I can't get to the administration page - I keep getting the listinfo page. How do I get to the administration page? -Michael Sullivan From michael at espersunited.com Mon Dec 29 02:07:08 2003 From: michael at espersunited.com (Michael Sullivan) Date: 28 Dec 2003 19:07:08 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending Message-ID: <1072660028.2913.19.camel@baby.espersunited.com> I got mailman to run earlier this evening and I can get to the listinfo page on the internet. I subscribed myself to the list, but I haven't gotten any confirmation email or anything from the list. I've read over the mailman FAQ 3.14, but didn't find anything helpful. I did all the tests, but it didn't tell me what to do with the results. Please help!!! -Michael Sullivan From bpratt at overflow.net.au Mon Dec 29 02:37:06 2003 From: bpratt at overflow.net.au (Brendan Pratt) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 11:37:06 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] NOOB ! Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031229113105.0291ae50@pop3.overflow.net.au> Just installed Mailman, and being such a noob, I can't seem to work out how to utilise the add_members script correctly. ./add_members user at address.com listname It complains that I haven't used one of the -r or -d options, and that's where I am not clear as to what filename/paths I should be using. Could somebody hit me with an appropriately sized 'clue stick' ?? :-) Thanks. From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Dec 29 03:32:12 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 28 Dec 2003 21:32:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] new trouble with existing lists In-Reply-To: <3FEF8029.80009@crotchett.com> References: <3FEEF6CA.7090107@crotchett.com> <1072632004.14016.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3FEF8029.80009@crotchett.com> Message-ID: <1072665131.16099.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> You'll probably get a better response on a FreeBSD mailing list... but (from memory), the proper location for FreeBSD startup script is /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ If that doesn't work you might try: man rc.conf Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Sun, 2003-12-28 at 20:15, backdoc wrote: > Thank you very much for the help. The problem was that I didn't have a > mailman mailing list and I needed to start the mailmanctl daemon. > > I wasn't aware of these changes to Mailman. > > I have a new question, though. Where should I put the > "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/bin/mailmanctl start" command in FreeBSD so > that it starts on boot? > > TIA, > Darren > > Jon Carnes wrote: > > Read FAQ 3.14 > > > > It looks like either your cron daemon is not running (for Mailman > > versions 2.0.x and below) - or your mailmanctl daemon is not runing (for > > Mailman versions 2.1.x and above). > > > > Jon Carnes > > > > On Sun, 2003-12-28 at 10:29, backdoc wrote: > > > >> Problem description: > >> > >>I can no longer subscribe to or send mail to my lists. > >> > >> Here's some detail. > >> > >> From the standpoint of being able to use the mailing lists (subscribe, > >>post messages, etc), the lists had been working for several weeks. > >>Then, spontaneously, all of the normal list server tasks quit working > >>except for the web interface. Attempting to subscribe to a mailing list > >>results in a page that says a "confirmation has been sent ...". But, I > >>never receive that confirmation mail. > >> > >>I have looked at all of the logs in /mailman/logs to see if I could see > >>any references to my attempts to subscribe to the list. But, I do not. > >> /var/log/messages does not show any references to Mailman either. > >> > >>My mail server is Postfix. It seems to operate normally in every way. > >> > >> Some possible clues: > >> > >>I don't really have any strong suspicions that point to a particular > >>culprit. I don't generally muck around with my server except to keep > >>the installed software up to date via portupgrade. I don't really > >>remember if the lists not working coorelates to running portupgrade. > >>But, I don't think so. > >> > >>Due to the fact that I own 2 domains and the domain name for the box is > >>not the same domain name of the list I have created the lists for, there > >>was a minor issue regarding the wrong URL showing up on the web > >>interface portion of Mailman. It was showing the box domain name as > >>opposed to the list domain name. The incorrect URL did not appear to > >>have an adverse affect. But, it was potentially confusing for users. > >>So, I made a few attempts to correct it by altering the mm_cfg.py file. > >> In spite of some good suggestions here on the mailman-users list, I > >>never resolved that problem. Again, I can't associate Mailman breaking > >>with attempts to fix the URL problem. > >> > >> What additional info can I give you to help you help me? > >> > >>That's about all that I can think of to shed light on the problem. Not > >>seeing anything in the log files, I don't really know how to backtrace > >>the problem? Even though I don't feel like I broke it by editing the > >>mm_cfg.py file or running portupgrade, I'm sure that I have somehow > >>broken it. > >> > >>Any suggestions would be very much appreciated. > >> > >>TIA, > >>Darren > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------ > >>Mailman-Users mailing list > >>Mailman-Users at python.org > >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > >>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > >>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >> > >>This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > >>Unsubscribe or change your options at > >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: mailman-users at usmstudent.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mailman-users%40usmstudent.com > > From emechler at techometer.net Mon Dec 29 03:37:11 2003 From: emechler at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:37:11 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] NOOB ! In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031229113105.0291ae50@pop3.overflow.net.au> References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031229113105.0291ae50@pop3.overflow.net.au> Message-ID: <20031229023711.GM9522@techometer.net> :: Just installed Mailman, and being such a noob, I can't seem to work out how :: to utilise the add_members script correctly. :: :: ./add_members user at address.com listname :: :: It complains that I haven't used one of the -r or -d options, and that's :: where I am not clear as to what filename/paths I should be using. If you run the add_members command without any arguments, it'll show you this: --regular-members-file=file -r file A file containing addresses of the members to be added, one address per line. This list of people become non-digest members. If file is `-', read addresses from stdin. Note that -n/--non-digest-members-file are deprecated synonyms for this option. --digest-members-file=file -d file Similar to above, but these people become digest members. So, what you should be doing is something like this: echo "user at address.com" | ./add_members -r - listname :: Could somebody hit me with an appropriately sized 'clue stick' ?? :-) Consider it done :) Cheers - Erick From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Dec 29 03:39:27 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 28 Dec 2003 21:39:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] NOOB ! In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031229113105.0291ae50@pop3.overflow.net.au> References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031229113105.0291ae50@pop3.overflow.net.au> Message-ID: <1072665566.16099.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2003-12-28 at 20:37, Brendan Pratt wrote: > Just installed Mailman, and being such a noob, I can't seem to work out how > to utilise the add_members script correctly. > > ./add_members user at address.com listname > > It complains that I haven't used one of the -r or -d options, and that's > where I am not clear as to what filename/paths I should be using. > > Could somebody hit me with an appropriately sized 'clue stick' ?? :-) > > Thanks. > Usage: add_members [options] listname Options: --regular-members-file=file -r file A file containing addresses of the members to be added, one address per line. This list of people become non-digest members. If file is `-', read addresses from stdin. Note that -n/--non-digest-members-file are deprecated synonyms for this option. --digest-members-file=file -d=file Similar to above, but these people become digest members. --changes-msg= -c Set whether or not to send the list members the `there's going to be big changes to your list' message. defaults to no. --welcome-msg= -w Set whether or not to send the list members a welcome message, overriding whatever the list's `send_welcome_msg' setting is. --admin-notify= -a Set whether or not to send the list administrators a notification on the success/failure of these subscriptions, overriding whatever the list's `admin_notify_mchanges' setting is. --help -h Print this help message and exit. ====== Even bigger clue ====== vi list.txt emailaddress at domain.com another at domain.com ernie at sesame.str.org add_members -r list.txt mylistname #adds the three users from list.txt to the mailing list "mylistname". HtH - Jon Carnes From bpratt at overflow.net.au Mon Dec 29 05:07:03 2003 From: bpratt at overflow.net.au (Brendan Pratt) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:07:03 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] NOOB ! In-Reply-To: <1072665566.16099.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031229113105.0291ae50@pop3.overflow.net.au> <1072665566.16099.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031229140057.02f922a0@pop3.overflow.net.au> At 12:39 PM 29/12/03, Jon Carnes wrote: >On Sun, 2003-12-28 at 20:37, Brendan Pratt wrote: > > Just installed Mailman, and being such a noob, I can't seem to work out > how > > to utilise the add_members script correctly. > > > > ./add_members user at address.com listname > > Could somebody hit me with an appropriately sized 'clue stick' ?? :-) >Usage: > add_members [options] listname >====== Even bigger clue ====== > >vi list.txt > emailaddress at domain.com > another at domain.com > ernie at sesame.str.org > >add_members -r list.txt mylistname > >#adds the three users from list.txt to the mailing list "mylistname". That did it..... I was trying to put the email address in the command line, rather than putting the email address in a text file, and then feeding the text file to the script. Thanks again guys. From usemike at spamblocked.com Mon Dec 29 08:21:44 2003 From: usemike at spamblocked.com (Michael Baehr) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 01:21:44 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Second post: Admin/ListInfo problem Message-ID: I've already posted once on this problem here: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/msg21418.html But I thought I'd make a second post as I've quite narrowed down exactly what's occurring (and I appear to have misreported the problem as well). When I go to the listinfo or admin panels, any of the "global links", such as "create a new mailing list" and "the mailing list overview page", as well as the mailto (send questions and comments to ... ) are broken. My web server runs on port 312 thanks to my ISP's wise decision of blocking port 80, so I went through the necessary steps to configure Mailman to function properly with this (searching the archives for quite a bit certainly helped). Here's my mm_cfg.py ( host changed to foo.com ) MTA = 'Postfix' IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mail.foo.com' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'foo.com' DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s:312/mailman/' PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s:312/pipermail/%(listname)s' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) When I say "broken", I mean that these links are using the Hosts: line passed to them by apache as (hostname) instead of the one specified as DEFAULT_URL_HOST. When I go to the admin/listinfo pages using foo.com:312, I get links such as: http://foo.com:312:312/mailman/create http://foo.com:312:312/mailman/listinfo mailto:mailman at foo.com:312 Likewise, if I go using 192.168.1.103:312, I get: http://192.168.1.103:312:312/mailman/create http://192.168.1.103:312:312/mailman/listinfo mailto:mailman at 192.168.1.103:312 Links to my lists point correctly, and are obviously using the proper base URL. Likewise, in any list administration/archive/etc.. pages, all the links are correctly formed, _except_ for those that point to something global, such as "Overview of all mail.foo.com mailing lists". Is there some way I can make mailman _not_ listen to the Hosts: line from Apache (which is what it appears to be doing), and instead use the base URLs I have specified? Thanks for your help, and apologies to those who I confused by my earlier post. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031229/828ac275/attachment.pgp From jamie at silverdream.org Mon Dec 29 10:08:46 2003 From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:08:46 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending In-Reply-To: <1072660028.2913.19.camel@baby.espersunited.com> References: <1072660028.2913.19.camel@baby.espersunited.com> Message-ID: <1072688926.910.29.camel@oasis.silverdream.hq> Hey Michael, On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 01:07, Michael Sullivan wrote: > I got mailman to run earlier this evening and I can get to the listinfo > page on the internet. I subscribed myself to the list, but I haven't > gotten any confirmation email or anything from the list. I've read over > the mailman FAQ 3.14, but didn't find anything helpful. I did all the > tests, but it didn't tell me what to do with the results. Please > help!!! Have you tried running 'mailmanctl start', and check that you have something like the following processes running: list 5336 0.0 0.4 7852 236 ? S Dec26 0:00 /usr/bin/python ./mailmanctl start list 5337 0.0 1.6 8416 984 ? S Dec26 1:25 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s list 5338 0.0 1.5 7668 892 ? S Dec26 1:13 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s list 5339 0.0 1.4 7916 832 ? S Dec26 0:41 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s list 5340 0.0 1.6 7956 940 ? S Dec26 1:19 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s list 5341 0.0 1.3 7708 812 ? S Dec26 1:09 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s list 5342 0.0 1.8 8052 1060 ? S Dec26 1:09 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s list 5343 0.0 1.4 7944 840 ? 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031229/029667ff/attachment.pgp From boettiger at pobox.com Mon Dec 29 11:02:19 2003 From: boettiger at pobox.com (Adam Boettiger) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 02:02:19 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hired help Message-ID: I know many (most) on this list have full time jobs that make it difficult to take on project work, but are there folks on this list who are willing to do installs, upgrades, customizations etc. of Mailman on a fee basis? If so, can you contact me off-list with your hourly rate? boettiger at pobox.com Thanks AB From keyser at aocab.com Mon Dec 29 16:31:16 2003 From: keyser at aocab.com (Michael 'keyser' Vettas AOCAB Director) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 02:31:16 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] allowing non members to post to a list Message-ID: <000f01c3ce20$cd290a00$0200a8c0@compaq> Hi peoples sorry if this is the wrong list i couldnt get the 'listowners' mailing list rego page to work :( Anyway my question. I have setup various mailing lists all private for various heirarchy levels in my organisation, now my question is this i want one of my lists specifically the Directors list to be a non member list BUT want the ability for non members to send emails to it so all board members receive the email and can reply to it via squirelmail using the directors@ email address instead of creating hundreds of different pop accounts. So basically joe at blow.com sends an email to directors at myorg.com which gets sent to director1 at myorg.com , director2 at myorg.com , director3 at myorg.com etc etc without having it bounce to moderator and need approval before its accepted. So is there a way non members can post to a list but not join a list, reason being directors need the list to send info o each other so haivng people able to join the list isnt what i would want, i also want to setup other generic bounces through cpanel so say public.relations at myorg.com or marketing at myorg.com or whatever can be emailed and it gets sent to directors at myorg.com without it bouncing. Thanks in advance im sure its possible and im just missing something. Michael 'keyser' Vettas From joris at linux.be Mon Dec 29 11:10:09 2003 From: joris at linux.be (Joris) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 11:10:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] better archive support? Message-ID: <3FEFFD81.30707@linux.be> Hi, First of all, I'm not subscribed to this list. Please cc me if you feel your message should reach me. After hunting performance troubles for quite a while, I finally found the source: mailman's archival of messages in the mbox format. I have a list getting ~50 mails/day with an attachement, average size 300kb. No biggy thus. But after 3 months this amounts to an archive over a 1GB. This results in a qrunner process hogging all system resources for minutes at the time. For now I've disabled archival of the list, but I wonder if there's some better option to archive the mails. Eg, rotated mboxes, or Maildirs? -- Greetings Joris joris at linux.be From tom at dare2believe.com Mon Dec 29 14:27:39 2003 From: tom at dare2believe.com (Tom) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 08:27:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] My subscribers aren't receiving anything! Message-ID: <010f01c3ce0f$895f95c0$6da2e9c0@jz6gx11> Hello, I could really use some help here... Other than a handful (and apparently the most recent subscribers) no one is getting my ezine. Could you verify that the list I uploaded is intact and functioning properly? The list is: dare2believeweekly at dare2believe.com. thanks for the help. Going deep... Tom http://www.dare2believe.com From alias2 at crotchett.com Mon Dec 29 02:15:21 2003 From: alias2 at crotchett.com (backdoc) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 19:15:21 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] new trouble with existing lists In-Reply-To: <1072632004.14016.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3FEEF6CA.7090107@crotchett.com> <1072632004.14016.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3FEF8029.80009@crotchett.com> Thank you very much for the help. The problem was that I didn't have a mailman mailing list and I needed to start the mailmanctl daemon. I wasn't aware of these changes to Mailman. I have a new question, though. Where should I put the "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/bin/mailmanctl start" command in FreeBSD so that it starts on boot? TIA, Darren Jon Carnes wrote: > Read FAQ 3.14 > > It looks like either your cron daemon is not running (for Mailman > versions 2.0.x and below) - or your mailmanctl daemon is not runing (for > Mailman versions 2.1.x and above). > > Jon Carnes > > On Sun, 2003-12-28 at 10:29, backdoc wrote: > >> Problem description: >> >>I can no longer subscribe to or send mail to my lists. >> >> Here's some detail. >> >> From the standpoint of being able to use the mailing lists (subscribe, >>post messages, etc), the lists had been working for several weeks. >>Then, spontaneously, all of the normal list server tasks quit working >>except for the web interface. Attempting to subscribe to a mailing list >>results in a page that says a "confirmation has been sent ...". But, I >>never receive that confirmation mail. >> >>I have looked at all of the logs in /mailman/logs to see if I could see >>any references to my attempts to subscribe to the list. But, I do not. >> /var/log/messages does not show any references to Mailman either. >> >>My mail server is Postfix. It seems to operate normally in every way. >> >> Some possible clues: >> >>I don't really have any strong suspicions that point to a particular >>culprit. I don't generally muck around with my server except to keep >>the installed software up to date via portupgrade. I don't really >>remember if the lists not working coorelates to running portupgrade. >>But, I don't think so. >> >>Due to the fact that I own 2 domains and the domain name for the box is >>not the same domain name of the list I have created the lists for, there >>was a minor issue regarding the wrong URL showing up on the web >>interface portion of Mailman. It was showing the box domain name as >>opposed to the list domain name. The incorrect URL did not appear to >>have an adverse affect. But, it was potentially confusing for users. >>So, I made a few attempts to correct it by altering the mm_cfg.py file. >> In spite of some good suggestions here on the mailman-users list, I >>never resolved that problem. Again, I can't associate Mailman breaking >>with attempts to fix the URL problem. >> >> What additional info can I give you to help you help me? >> >>That's about all that I can think of to shed light on the problem. Not >>seeing anything in the log files, I don't really know how to backtrace >>the problem? Even though I don't feel like I broke it by editing the >>mm_cfg.py file or running portupgrade, I'm sure that I have somehow >>broken it. >> >>Any suggestions would be very much appreciated. >> >>TIA, >>Darren >> >>------------------------------------------------------ >>Mailman-Users mailing list >>Mailman-Users at python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >>This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com >>Unsubscribe or change your options at >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: mailman-users at usmstudent.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mailman-users%40usmstudent.com > From alias2 at crotchett.com Mon Dec 29 04:06:01 2003 From: alias2 at crotchett.com (backdoc) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:06:01 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] new trouble with existing lists In-Reply-To: <1072665131.16099.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3FEEF6CA.7090107@crotchett.com> <1072632004.14016.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3FEF8029.80009@crotchett.com> <1072665131.16099.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3FEF9A19.2070501@crotchett.com> Thanks again. /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ was the correct place. There was already a mailman script there. I guess the problem was that I just didn't have a mailman mailing list. Thanks for being so much help. Darren Jon Carnes wrote: > You'll probably get a better response on a FreeBSD mailing list... but > (from memory), the proper location for FreeBSD startup script is > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ > > If that doesn't work you might try: man rc.conf > > Good Luck - Jon Carnes > > On Sun, 2003-12-28 at 20:15, backdoc wrote: > >>Thank you very much for the help. The problem was that I didn't have a >>mailman mailing list and I needed to start the mailmanctl daemon. >> >>I wasn't aware of these changes to Mailman. >> >>I have a new question, though. Where should I put the >>"/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/bin/mailmanctl start" command in FreeBSD so >>that it starts on boot? >> >>TIA, >>Darren >> >>Jon Carnes wrote: >> >>>Read FAQ 3.14 >>> >>>It looks like either your cron daemon is not running (for Mailman >>>versions 2.0.x and below) - or your mailmanctl daemon is not runing (for >>>Mailman versions 2.1.x and above). >>> >>>Jon Carnes >>> >>>On Sun, 2003-12-28 at 10:29, backdoc wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Problem description: >>>> >>>>I can no longer subscribe to or send mail to my lists. >>>> >>>> Here's some detail. >>>> >>>>From the standpoint of being able to use the mailing lists (subscribe, >>>>post messages, etc), the lists had been working for several weeks. >>>>Then, spontaneously, all of the normal list server tasks quit working >>>>except for the web interface. Attempting to subscribe to a mailing list >>>>results in a page that says a "confirmation has been sent ...". But, I >>>>never receive that confirmation mail. >>>> >>>>I have looked at all of the logs in /mailman/logs to see if I could see >>>>any references to my attempts to subscribe to the list. But, I do not. >>>> /var/log/messages does not show any references to Mailman either. >>>> >>>>My mail server is Postfix. It seems to operate normally in every way. >>>> >>>> Some possible clues: >>>> >>>>I don't really have any strong suspicions that point to a particular >>>>culprit. I don't generally muck around with my server except to keep >>>>the installed software up to date via portupgrade. I don't really >>>>remember if the lists not working coorelates to running portupgrade. >>>>But, I don't think so. >>>> >>>>Due to the fact that I own 2 domains and the domain name for the box is >>>>not the same domain name of the list I have created the lists for, there >>>>was a minor issue regarding the wrong URL showing up on the web >>>>interface portion of Mailman. It was showing the box domain name as >>>>opposed to the list domain name. The incorrect URL did not appear to >>>>have an adverse affect. But, it was potentially confusing for users. >>>>So, I made a few attempts to correct it by altering the mm_cfg.py file. >>>> In spite of some good suggestions here on the mailman-users list, I >>>>never resolved that problem. Again, I can't associate Mailman breaking >>>>with attempts to fix the URL problem. >>>> >>>> What additional info can I give you to help you help me? >>>> >>>>That's about all that I can think of to shed light on the problem. Not >>>>seeing anything in the log files, I don't really know how to backtrace >>>>the problem? Even though I don't feel like I broke it by editing the >>>>mm_cfg.py file or running portupgrade, I'm sure that I have somehow >>>>broken it. >>>> >>>>Any suggestions would be very much appreciated. >>>> >>>>TIA, >>>>Darren >>>> >>>>------------------------------------------------------ >>>>Mailman-Users mailing list >>>>Mailman-Users at python.org >>>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >>>>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >>>>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >>>> >>>>This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com >>>>Unsubscribe or change your options at >>>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------ >>>Mailman-Users mailing list >>>Mailman-Users at python.org >>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >>>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >>>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >>> >>>This message was sent to: mailman-users at usmstudent.com >>>Unsubscribe or change your options at >>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mailman-users%40usmstudent.com >>> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: mailman-users at usmstudent.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mailman-users%40usmstudent.com > From Euler.Ribeiro at mma.gov.br Mon Dec 29 13:14:19 2003 From: Euler.Ribeiro at mma.gov.br (Euler Ricardo Rodrigues Ribeiro) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:14:19 -0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hello Message-ID: <3FEFFE7B.4014.195C5E@localhost> I have one problem When I go start mailmanctl show de message: Site list is missing: mailman What I make? Please help me From emechler at techometer.net Mon Dec 29 19:11:38 2003 From: emechler at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:11:38 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hello In-Reply-To: <3FEFFE7B.4014.195C5E@localhost> References: <3FEFFE7B.4014.195C5E@localhost> Message-ID: <20031229181138.GE64481@techometer.net> :: When I go start mailmanctl show de message: :: Site list is missing: mailman :: What I make? Read up on the INSTALL file that comes with the distribution. It explains what the site list is and how to generate one. Cheers - Erick From cseiler at cyberspace.org Mon Dec 29 21:38:21 2003 From: cseiler at cyberspace.org (Christoph Seiler) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:38:21 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to add a new Mailman CGI program? Message-ID: <3FF090BD.6090508@cyberspace.org> Hi I would like to add a new CGI program for Mailman, because the existing scripts do not fit my needs. Unfortunately I'm not too familiar with Mailman and this seems to be a bit complicated. So I would appreciate any help. Mailman is installed under /usr/lib/mailman/. Am I correct, if I place my new CGI program in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/? I did so and set the owner to root and the group to list (like the existing programs). My problem is, that this script runs, but it has no access to /var/lib/mailman/lists/mylist/config.db (or any other file in the list-directory). What permissions must be set? I noticed that the existing CGI scripts are binary files, whereas my script is a python-plainscript (with the shebang and all). Is this part of the problem? How are these binary files compiled? CS From jerry at sandiego.edu Mon Dec 29 22:39:29 2003 From: jerry at sandiego.edu (Jerold Stratton) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:39:29 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to add a new Mailman CGI program? In-Reply-To: <3FF090BD.6090508@cyberspace.org> Message-ID: <7B7F64E3-3A47-11D8-BF14-000A959F54EC@sandiego.edu> On Monday, December 29, 2003, at 12:38 PM, Christoph Seiler wrote: > I would like to add a new CGI program for Mailman, because the > existing scripts do not fit my needs. Unfortunately I'm not too > familiar with Mailman and this seems to be a bit complicated. So I > would appreciate any help. > I recently needed to add a 'list all members' function for our list admins; I elected to modify the python scripts in the Mailman directory: 1. In Mailman/Gui/Membership.py: I added: ('listall', _('List All')), to the function GetConfigSubCategories(self, category) This had the effect of adding a new option to the 'Membership Management' section of Mailman, called 'List All' with an internal code of 'listall'. 2. In Mailman/Cgi/admin.py line 488, I changed: if subcat not in ('list', 'add', 'remove'): to: if subcat not in ('list', 'add', 'remove', 'listall'): This had the effect of not defaulting to the wrong thing when the user requests 'listall'. The rest of it may not help you, as the functionality I needed was already there, I just needed access to it. I changed line 814 from: if len(all) < chunksz: to: if len(all) < chunksz or subcat == 'listall': Presumably I could have just as well have added an elseif to handle that (as I may well do to make it *just* a list of members and not a form). Jerry jerry at sandiego.edu http://www.sandiego.edu/~jerry/ Serra 188B/x8773 -- "The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."--Douglas Adams (Mostly Harmless) From wildone at for-wild.org Tue Dec 30 02:45:27 2003 From: wildone at for-wild.org (wildone at for-wild.org) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:45:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to show all members from web? In-Reply-To: <1072557382.3feded463f7bb@64.246.56.47> References: <1072557382.3feded463f7bb@64.246.56.47> Message-ID: <1072748727.3ff0d8b7ea634@64.246.56.47> I'll answer my own previous question first: I don't think MailMan allows removing all members from the web, from what I can understand in mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py. My next question: how do I show all members from the web?!? It seems if there are more than a few members, MailMan decides to show only 1, and forces me to click on "A", etc., to view the rest. Surely there must be an easier way to get all members? I'm not looking for an email interface. I manage dozens of lists, and need to have a way of dumping out all members of each list in batch mode. I don't mind wading through HTML output from the web. Wild Pete > How can I remove all members of a MailMan mailing list? > I know about the remove_members and sync_members scripts, > but I don't have admin permissions, I can only access > MailMan via CPanel provided by my ISP. The interface is: > http://mydomain/mailman/admin/mylist_mydomain/members/remove > > Looks like I can give a list of addresses, > which are passed through the "unsubscribees" variable. > Is there some way I can remove all members, without having > to give a long list? > > Wild Pete From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Tue Dec 30 02:59:54 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:59:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to show all members from web? In-Reply-To: <1072748727.3ff0d8b7ea634@64.246.56.47> References: <1072557382.3feded463f7bb@64.246.56.47> <1072748727.3ff0d8b7ea634@64.246.56.47> Message-ID: <20031230015954.GM9402@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 wildone at for-wild.org wrote: > My next question: how do I show all members from the web?!? It > seems if there are more than a few members, MailMan decides to show > only 1, and forces me to click on "A", etc., to view the rest. > Surely there must be an easier way to get all members? I'm not > looking for an email interface. I manage dozens of lists, and need > to have a way of dumping out all members of each list in batch mode. > I don't mind wading through HTML output from the web. You can view the subscriber list via the listinfo page for the list. This is the roster CGI, which IMO, ought to be linked to on the admin pages. It will give you a list of regular and digest members, in HTML format for you to wade through. If I were trying to automate this, I think I'd prefer the email interface though, it seems easier to process the addresses in that output. None of this beats the output of the list_members command of course. It'd be great if there was a way to get that output via the web or email without the assistance of the site admin for those folks stuck running Mailman on shared hosts. I don't think there is any way to that at the moment though. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Software is like sex; it's better when it's free. -- Linus Torvalds, creator of the Linux kernel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/8Nwauv+09NZUB1oRAqH/AKCEzQzPzEM3JZVfXbBY2ywF1Nb3pwCfXYRt twjEb/7BdeQHb2A93779EfE= =cZqh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ewilts at ewilts.org Tue Dec 30 03:14:15 2003 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:14:15 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to show all members from web? In-Reply-To: <1072748727.3ff0d8b7ea634@64.246.56.47> References: <1072557382.3feded463f7bb@64.246.56.47> <1072748727.3ff0d8b7ea634@64.246.56.47> Message-ID: <20031230021415.GC19011@www.ewilts.org> On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 08:45:27PM -0500, wildone at for-wild.org wrote: > I'll answer my own previous question first: I don't think > MailMan allows removing all members from the web, from what > I can understand in mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py. This would be a *very* nice feature to see. sync_members would be really helpful too! My list admins need to regularly flush the announce lists and repopulate them from an internal database, and right now I'm flushing them manually. Giving the list admins an easy way to do this would save me getting involved. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org From fbdl at sistec.com.mx Tue Dec 30 04:57:05 2003 From: fbdl at sistec.com.mx (Fernando Barajas) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:57:05 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error: Empty module name Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031229215620.027e86e0@nuestroweb.com> Hi! I run several lists using Mailman. With only ONE of my lists I'm getting the following error (in log/error) when someone wants to post: Dec 29 22:01:33 2003 (8451) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89, in process send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in send_i18n_dige sts msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 308, in process t = t.encode(charset, 'replace') File "/var/tmp/python2-2.2.3-root/usr/lib/python2.2/encodings/__init__.py", li ne 51, in search_function ValueError: Empty module name Dec 29 22:01:33 2003 (8451) SHUNTING: 1072756893.371747+134baf775b7f10339f7b20ec 9c9a412e798bfe11 All of my other lists are working OK. This list (fc_general) was working OK, but it stopped working about 3 days ago. What can the problem be? Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- --- Correo de salida certificado SIN virus Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 18-12-2003 From fbdl at sistec.com.mx Tue Dec 30 05:00:37 2003 From: fbdl at sistec.com.mx (Fernando Barajas) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:00:37 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error: Empty module name In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031229215620.027e86e0@nuestroweb.com> References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031229215620.027e86e0@nuestroweb.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031229220003.027e8c00@sistec.com.mx> At 21:57 29-12-2003, Fernando Barajas wrote: >Hi! I run several lists using Mailman. With only ONE of my lists I'm >getting the following error (in log/error) when someone wants to post: Forgot to mention: $ ./version Using Mailman version: 2.1.2 Thanks again! -------------- next part -------------- --- Correo de salida certificado SIN virus Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 18-12-2003 From bpratt at overflow.net.au Tue Dec 30 06:13:46 2003 From: bpratt at overflow.net.au (Brendan Pratt) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:13:46 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ezmlm to mailman Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031230151124.028d3840@pop3.overflow.net.au> Just in the process of moving some lists across to mailman from ezmlm , and can't seem to find an easy way of doing it. I think I've found something that'll bring them in from a .mbox file, but these are currently in a Maildir/ format. Anyone got an easy way to convert them across ? Thanks !! From april.cox at ngne.com Tue Dec 30 18:51:16 2003 From: april.cox at ngne.com (April Cox) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:51:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Mailman User Message-ID: <232D0E260DEB2447860C22DB745F00EB3641DA@nt-domain-1.ngne.com> Hi there! I was hoping someone out there could help me. I'm a new user of mailman and am creating a list for a professional organization. It's an outgoing-bound list only, specifically I'll be using it to send out meeting announcements and reminders. I was able to set it up to not allow members or non-members to post to the list. But I was unable to prevent it from allowing people to respond to the email they receive from me. Right now it goes to the list - which I don't want. I set the option to REPLY-TO an explicit address and entered my email address, so that when people have questions about the meeting or announcement, I can respond to them, and it doesn't post to the list. But it doesn't work. It's still being sent to the group. I could remove the listname from being in the FROM field, but if I do that, then my own name is the one that the message comes from, which is not my intention either, since it is a message for the group sent by the association - not me personally. Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong? The version of mailman that I'm using is: version 2.1.2. Thank you in advance for your help. Happy New Year! April From april.cox at ngne.com Tue Dec 30 20:02:54 2003 From: april.cox at ngne.com (April Cox) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:02:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uploading Member Lists Message-ID: <232D0E260DEB2447860C22DB745F00EB3641E1@nt-domain-1.ngne.com> Thanks - yes that worked! My last task before actually using the mailing list is to upload the 750 or so emails and names. I can't see anything in the documentation that tells me how to get the name to be imported. I've tried uploading the file of email + name separated by commas, tabs. It imports the email, but leaves the name behind. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? Thanks for the help! April From mjn at umn.edu Tue Dec 30 21:38:02 2003 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:38:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permissions question... Message-ID: I started having problems after some disk issues and some moving of various parts of my current mailman installation. For the most part everything is working again except for this one thing: when a user goes to the web and attempts to subscribe, they get the "we're sorry, we hit a bug" page. After seeing the "Permission Denied" error in the traceback, i tried 'chmod g+w' on pending_subscriptions.db and making the GID on pending_subscriptions.db 'apache' instead of 'mailman' and the problem went away. Given that we know it is a problem with who the cgi is executing as -and I know that bin/check_perms tells me that 'apache' is unexpected for the GID on that file- how would i go about getting this working "correctly" (i.e. with mailman:mailman chown on pending_subscription.db)? Any advice is much appretiated...thanks. The output to logs/error looks like this: Dec 30 13:55:57 2003 admin(30998): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ admin(30998): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.13 -----] admin(30998): [----- Traceback ------] admin(30998): Traceback (most recent call last): admin(30998): File "/mailman-2.0.13/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main admin(30998): main() admin(30998): File "../Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 76, in main admin(30998): process_form(mlist, doc) admin(30998): File "../Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 187, in process_form admin(30998): mlist.AddMember(email, pw, digest, remote) admin(30998): File "/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/MailList.py", line 983, in AddMember admin(30998): cookie = Pending().new(name, password, digest) admin(30998): File "../Mailman/Pending.py", line 74, in new admin(30998): self.__save(db) admin(30998): File "../Mailman/Pending.py", line 111, in __save admin(30998): fp = open(self.db_path, "w") admin(30998): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/mailman/data/pending_subscriptions.db' admin(30998): [----- Python Information -----] admin(30998): sys.version = 2.2.1 (#1, Apr 9 2002, 13:10:27) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2.96-98)] admin(30998): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python2 admin(30998): sys.prefix = /usr admin(30998): sys.exec_prefix= /usr admin(30998): sys.path = /usr admin(30998): sys.platform = linux2 admin(30998): [----- Environment Variables -----] admin(30998): HTTP_ACCEPT: */* admin(30998): CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded admin(30998): HTTP_REFERER: http://mailman.coafes.umn.edu/mailman/listinfo/sustag admin(30998): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) (Red-Hat/Linux) mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.6b DAV/1.0.2 PHP/4.1.2 mod_perl/1.26 admin(30998): PYTHONPATH: /mailman-2.0.13 admin(30998): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /mailman/cgi-bin/subscribe admin(30998): SERVER_ADMIN: root at localhost admin(30998): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/subscribe admin(30998): SERVER_SIGNATURE:
Apache/1.3.27 Server at monolith.coafes.umn.edu Port 80
admin(30998): REQUEST_METHOD: POST admin(30998): HTTP_HOST: mailman.coafes.umn.edu admin(30998): PATH_INFO: /sustag admin(30998): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1 admin(30998): QUERY_STRING: admin(30998): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/subscribe/sustag admin(30998): CONTENT_LENGTH: 72 admin(30998): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/106.2 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/100.1 admin(30998): HTTP_CONNECTION: close admin(30998): HTTP_COOKIE: sustag:admin=2802000000699db7f13f732800000030383539333331633561633736313135393238356635316535393763643531313939656365323739 admin(30998): SERVER_NAME: monolith.coafes.umn.edu admin(30998): REMOTE_ADDR: 160.94.212.129 admin(30998): REMOTE_PORT: 53016 admin(30998): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us, ja;q=0.62, de-de;q=0.93, de;q=0.90, fr-fr;q=0.86, fr;q=0.83, nl-nl;q=0.79, nl;q=0.76, it-it;q=0.72, it;q=0.69, ja-jp;q=0.66, en;q=0.97, es-es;q=0.$ admin(30998): PATH_TRANSLATED: /var/www/html/sustag admin(30998): SERVER_PORT: 80 admin(30998): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 admin(30998): REMOTE_HOST: c212-129.dhcp.umn.edu admin(30998): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate;q=1.0, identity;q=0.5, *;q=0 admin(30998): SERVER_ADDR: 134.84.89.152 admin(30998): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/html -- _______________________________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs =============================================== E-Mail : mjn at umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512 at page.metrocall.com _______________________________________________ "What is important, it seems to me, is not so much to defend a culture whose existence has never kept a man from going hungry, as to extract, from what is called culture, ideas whose compelling force is identical with that of hunger." -Antonin Artaud From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Tue Dec 30 08:27:59 2003 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:27:59 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] allowing non members to post to a list References: <000f01c3ce20$cd290a00$0200a8c0@compaq> Message-ID: keyser at aocab.com ("Michael 'keyser' Vettas AOCAB Director") scripsit/wrote: > So is there a way non members can post to a list but not join a list, Yes. Set "generic_nonmember_action" to "accept". You find that option at . -thh From keyser at aocab.com Wed Dec 31 00:03:03 2003 From: keyser at aocab.com (Michael 'keyser' Vettas AOCAB Director) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 10:03:03 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] allowing non members to post to a list References: <000f01c3ce20$cd290a00$0200a8c0@compaq> <000a01c3cf28$e12cffd0$0200a8c0@compaq> Message-ID: <002001c3cf29$149f5160$0200a8c0@compaq> Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit action is defined. (Details for generic_nonmember_action) Accept Its already set to accept. With it set to 'accept' will i as list owner receive moderation emails stating that there are emails waiting to be accepted because they are from non members? Thanks in advance and Happy New Year Everyone > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Hochstein" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 6:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] allowing non members to post to a list > > > > keyser at aocab.com ("Michael 'keyser' Vettas AOCAB Director") > > scripsit/wrote: > > > > > So is there a way non members can post to a list but not join a list, > > > > Yes. > > > > Set "generic_nonmember_action" to "accept". You find that option at > > . > > > > -thh > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: keyser at aocab.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/keyser%40aocab.com > > > > > > > > From lars.bungum at copyleft.no Wed Dec 31 00:42:59 2003 From: lars.bungum at copyleft.no (Lars Bungum) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:42:59 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] EOF/Bad marshal data Message-ID: <1072827778.2541.6.camel@shostakovitsj.larsemann> Howdy! I'm experiencing similar errors to those described by Stephen Gran early in December as well as these: --- Dec 30 23:46:13 2003 (97949) Delivery exception: EOF read where object expected Dec 30 23:46:13 2003 (97949) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 83, in do_pipeline func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 183, in process hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, ImplicitDestination) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 219, in hold_for_approval mlist.HoldMessage(msg, reason, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 145, in HoldMessage self.__opendb() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb self.__db = marshal.load(fp) EOFError: EOF read where object expected --- I'm fumbling a bit, really, making my question simple - how can I debug this problem further? What seems to be the problem? --lars From paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com Wed Dec 31 01:22:52 2003 From: paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com (Paulo Dinis) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:22:52 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] allowing non members to post to a list In-Reply-To: <002001c3cf29$149f5160$0200a8c0@compaq> Message-ID: Simple question. Im all my post i get a *.txt file with the mailing list info. Can?t this be in text ? How can I change it ? Thank?s Paulo Dinis From sean at sweetbourbon.com Wed Dec 31 17:31:33 2003 From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (Sean) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:31:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] ASCII error Message-ID: Hi, I'm running Mailman 2.1.3 on a FreeBSD 4.6 box. I tried to run the sync_members script and got this error: # ~mailman/bin/sync_members -n -f stories-news-and-other-good-stuff_regular_members stories-news-and-other-good-stuff Dry run mode Added : ayalah at rcn.com Removed: 110742.522 at compuserve.com Removed: karen_vona_mcintyre/cam/lotus at lotus.com Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/mailman/bin/sync_members", line 286, in ? main() File "/usr/mailman/bin/sync_members", line 277, in main s = email.Utils.formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace') UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) I'm not sure that the error mesasge means or what cause it. Any ideas? Thanks, Sean Happy New Year! From lars.bungum at copyleft.no Wed Dec 31 18:50:04 2003 From: lars.bungum at copyleft.no (Lars Bungum) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 18:50:04 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Downgrade/migration problem In-Reply-To: <20031231171210.GA3119@hadrian> References: <20031202024604.GA14783@hadrian> <1072821830.2541.1.camel@shostakovitsj.larsemann> <20031231171210.GA3119@hadrian> Message-ID: <1072893003.2220.4.camel@shostakovitsj.larsemann> On Wed, 2003-12-31 at 18:12, Stephen Gran wrote: > On Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 11:03:51PM +0100, Lars Bungum said: > > On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 03:46, Stephen Gran wrote: > > > Mail coming in to the lists and going out to users works just fine. > > > Mail going to admins is accepted by exim, and passed to mailman, but > > > mailman never delivers list-admin mail. I see this in logs/error: > > > > > Dec 01 21:38:06 2003 (15951) Delivery exception: bad marshal data > > > Dec 01 21:38:06 2003 (15951) Traceback (most recent call last): > > > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline > > > func(mlist, msg, msgdata) > > > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 152, in process > > > hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, NonMemberPost) > > > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 218, in hold_for_approval > > > mlist.HoldMessage(msg, reason, msgdata) > > > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 145, in HoldMessage > > > self.__opendb() > > > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb > > > self.__db = marshal.load(fp) > > > ValueError: bad marshal data > > > > I'm seeing the same erros in my logs/error (log getting very large, > > btw), and don't understand what's wrong. Did you get any closer to > > resolving this issue? Everything seems to be working here as well. > Some of the request.db's were corrupted, IIRC. I had to do > some for loop, echoing thefilename back out, to get it to tell me which > one, then Imoved it aside and reran until it worked. Let me see if I > can find what I did . . . no, I can't find it right now. Basically just > loop over all of your request.db's while running the cron job's > (chekc_dbs ?), and when it errors, you've found a corrupt one. Move it > aside, and rerun. Rinse, lather, repeat. It took a while, but I > finally got all 50 or so running OK again. (CC-ing to list as it probably is of general interest). Thank you! Your solution seems to have solved my problem. However, I just moved the corrupted request.dbs away and replaced them with empty ones. Is there any way to look into these databases to find out what has gone wrong with them? --lars From barry at python.org Wed Dec 31 19:21:50 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 13:21:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.4 Message-ID: <16371.5054.109107.157603@gargle.gargle.HOWL> I have released Mailman 2.1.4, a bug fix release that also contains support for four new languages: Catalan, Croatian, Romanian, and Slovenian. This release also contains a fix for a cross-site scripting vulnerability in the 'admin' cgi script (see CAN-2003-0965). There is also an expanded ability to filter message headers, nominally to provide better support when Mailman is used in conjunction with upstream spam and virus filters. The full source tarball has been made available from the usual sites. Sorry, there is no patch available yet, but you should be able to install Mailman 2.1.4 over your existing 2.1.x installation. See http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103 for links to the downloadable files. After installing, be sure you restart your Mailman daemon by doing a "mailmanctl restart". IMPORTANT: You will want to re-run configure before doing a make install. See also: http://www.list.org http://mailman.sf.net http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman Enjoy, and have a Happy New Year. -Barry -------------------- snip snip -------------------- 2.1.4 (31-Dec-2003) - Close some cross-site scripting vulnerabilities in the admin pages (CAN-2003-0965). - New languages: Catalan, Croatian, Romanian, Slovenian. - New mm_cfg.py/Defaults.py variable PUBLIC_MBOX which allows the site administrator to disable public access to all the raw list mbox files (this is not a per-list configuration). - Expanded header filter rules under Privacy -> Spam Filters. Now you can specify regular expression matches against any header, with specific actions tied to those matches. - Rework the SMTP error handling in SMTPDirect.py to avoid scoring bounces for all recipients when a permanent error code is returned by the mail server (e.g. because of content restrictions). - Promoted SYNC_AFTER_WRITE to a Default.py/mm_cfg.py variable and make it control syncing on the config.pck file. Also, we always flush and sync message files. - Reduce archive bloat by not storing the HTML body of Article objects in the Pipermail database. A new script bin/rb-archfix was added to clean up older archives. - Proper RFC quoting for List-ID descriptions. - PKGDIR can be passed to the make command in order to specify a different directory to unpack the distutils packages in misc. (SF bug 784700). - Improved logging of the origin of subscription requests. - Bugs and patches: 832748 (unsubscribe_policy ignored for unsub button on member login page), 846681 (bounce disabled cookie was always out of date), 835870 (check VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW on through the web list creation), 835036 (global address change when the new address is already a member of one of the lists), 833384 (incorrect admin password on a hold message confirmation attachment would discard the message), 835012 (fix permission on empty archive index), 816410 (confirmation page consistency), 834486 (catch empty charsets in the scrubber), 777444 (set the process's supplemental groups if possible), 860135 (ignore DiscardMessage exceptions during digest scrubbing), 828811 (reduce process size for list and admin overviews), 864674/864676 (problems accessing private archives and rosters with admin password), 865661 (Tokio Kikuchi's i18n patches), 862906 (unicode prefix leak in admindb), 841445 (setting new_member_options via config_list), n/a (fixed email command 'set delivery') From jjimenez at lahipotecaria.com Mon Dec 29 17:26:43 2003 From: jjimenez at lahipotecaria.com (Jahir Jimenez) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 11:26:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation Message-ID: I want to install this tool to make my mail list public for other users on my Company Network, but, I don't know how to install it or manage the .tar file that you send to me Because I'm not too expert about linux's systems. If you got some documents or something to help me I'll appreciate it. Regards, From fbarajas at sistec.com.mx Tue Dec 30 04:55:56 2003 From: fbarajas at sistec.com.mx (Fernando Barajas) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:55:56 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Empty module name Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031229215242.027e6e68@nuestroweb.com> Hi! I run several lists using Mailman. With only ONE of my lists I'm getting the following error (in log/error) when someone wants to post: Dec 29 22:01:33 2003 (8451) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89, in process send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in send_i18n_dige sts msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 308, in process t = t.encode(charset, 'replace') File "/var/tmp/python2-2.2.3-root/usr/lib/python2.2/encodings/__init__.py", li ne 51, in search_function ValueError: Empty module name Dec 29 22:01:33 2003 (8451) SHUNTING: 1072756893.371747+134baf775b7f10339f7b20ec 9c9a412e798bfe11 All of my other lists are working OK. This list (fc_general) was working OK, but it stopped working about 3 days ago. What can the problem be? Thanks! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fernando Barajas D?az Lozano ICQ: 7237681 Sistemas y Tecnolog?a de M?xico MSN: fbarajas at sistec.com.mx fbarajas at sistec.com.mx Y!: barajasfernando Cel: 01-222-143-5170 Jabber: fbarajas at jabber.org -------------- next part -------------- --- Correo de salida certificado SIN virus Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 18-12-2003 From lars at bungum.no Tue Dec 30 23:51:13 2003 From: lars at bungum.no (Lars Bungum) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:51:13 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] EOF/Bad marshal data Message-ID: <1072824672.2520.4.camel@shostakovitsj.larsemann> Howdy! I'm experiencing similar errors to those described by Stephen Gran early in December as well as these: --- Dec 30 23:46:13 2003 (97949) Delivery exception: EOF read where object expected Dec 30 23:46:13 2003 (97949) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 83, in do_pipeline func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 183, in process hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, ImplicitDestination) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 219, in hold_for_approval mlist.HoldMessage(msg, reason, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 145, in HoldMessage self.__opendb() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb self.__db = marshal.load(fp) EOFError: EOF read where object expected --- I'm fumbling a bit, really, making my question simple - how can I debug this problem further? What seems to be the problem? --lars From cmmiller at CS.Princeton.EDU Wed Dec 31 18:09:39 2003 From: cmmiller at CS.Princeton.EDU (Chris M. Miller) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:09:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uploading Member Lists In-Reply-To: <232D0E260DEB2447860C22DB745F00EB3641E1@nt-domain-1.ngne.com> References: <232D0E260DEB2447860C22DB745F00EB3641E1@nt-domain-1.ngne.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Dec 2003, April Cox wrote: > My last task before actually using the mailing list is to upload the 750 > or so emails and names. I can't see anything in the documentation that > tells me how to get the name to be imported. Try formatting the file like this: "User Name One" "User Name Two" ... I assumed that format would work, and it did for me with Mailman 2.1.3. Chris From steve at lobefin.net Wed Dec 31 19:04:51 2003 From: steve at lobefin.net (Stephen Gran) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 13:04:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Downgrade/migration problem In-Reply-To: <1072893003.2220.4.camel@shostakovitsj.larsemann> References: <20031202024604.GA14783@hadrian> <1072821830.2541.1.camel@shostakovitsj.larsemann> <20031231171210.GA3119@hadrian> <1072893003.2220.4.camel@shostakovitsj.larsemann> Message-ID: <20031231180451.GB3119@hadrian> On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 06:50:04PM +0100, Lars Bungum said: > Thank you! Your solution seems to have solved my problem. However, I > just moved the corrupted request.dbs away and replaced them with empty > ones. Is there any way to look into these databases to find out what > has gone wrong with them? If, instead of replacing them with empty ones, you just don't do anything, mailman will recreate them. I am not sure what happens if there is an empty on there, however. Run strings over the old one, or figure out how to unpack a python db. Strings was easier for me :) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Stephen Gran | The best way to make a fire with two | | steve at lobefin.net | sticks is to make sure one of them is a | | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | match. -- Will Rogers | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031231/e6bda128/attachment.pgp From aryross at hotpop.com Mon Dec 29 22:30:20 2003 From: aryross at hotpop.com (aryross) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:30:20 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] backing up data Message-ID: <000801c3ce52$f7225b90$0101c80a@Ross> Hello In the mailman program, how do I back up my data? Is there a list of subscribers? Thank you. From Euler.Ribeiro at mma.gov.br Tue Dec 30 14:21:15 2003 From: Euler.Ribeiro at mma.gov.br (Euler Ricardo Rodrigues Ribeiro) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:21:15 -0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hello friends Message-ID: <3FF15FAA.15081.B20E17@localhost> I have one problem. When I go create list show the message: Error: You are not authorized to create new mailing lists What happened? Euler Ricardo From haris.causevic at bradasoftware.com Tue Dec 30 20:25:55 2003 From: haris.causevic at bradasoftware.com (Haris Causevic) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:25:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Message-ID: <004401c3cf0a$bf43a590$770c1bac@causevici.com> Hi guys, I have a quick question for you. I have just set up a new mailing list. What I am trying to do, and am having problems doing is, I am trying to send a message to the mailing list, and not have the attachment with the email, specifying the mailing list name, address, and the http address where one can go to subscribe and unsubscribe. Any help or pointers on how I can get rid of it, will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Haris From morley at yp-connect.net Tue Dec 30 20:21:15 2003 From: morley at yp-connect.net (D&J Morley) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 05:51:15 +1030 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please help me Message-ID: <009e01c3cf0b$29390b20$9cd46dcb@1610777251> My list is rejecting my emails why? I am the list owner of s-arnold and I cannot send emails to my own list nor receive them???? http://www.british-genealogy.com/mailman/listinfo/s-arnold Why?? My service supplier say it is you that is blocking my emails. I have tried very hard to build up my list with one 38 member with people researching Arnold in the Uk now do I have to delete it all? Why. List owner Jill Morley morley at yp-connect