From kimm at xs4all.nl Thu Aug 7 12:06:36 2003 From: kimm at xs4all.nl (webulous) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:06:36 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archiving Message-ID: <000801c35ccc$24a3bc60$9600000a@webulous> I had an archive up and running and doing fine. I did not change anything to the setting but messages are being send but not archived. Anyone have a hint as to what the problem might be? Also does anyone know if it possible to have the number of messages in a thread mentioned in the archive. thanks, Jeroen From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Aug 1 00:55:32 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:55:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sending mail question In-Reply-To: <20030731140718.379c8f5f.raquel@thericehouse.net> Message-ID: <16B2811A-C3AA-11D7-88C4-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 10:07 pm, Raquel Rice wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:59:25 -0500 > "Christine De La Rosa" wrote: > >> Prior to the upgrade on my server my mail was being sent out by >> listname-admin at ... now it is being sent by listname-bounces at ... >> >> Is this a correct setting? >> >> Thanks >> Christine >> > > Christine, > > I don't know what version you upgraded to, but looking at the > "Sender:" header of my lists and the same header of this list, it > appears that it is "listname-bounces+user=email at dom.ain". > With MM 2.1.x the envelope sender is the listname-bounces alias. The +user=email bit is only present if VERP is being used for the list. > -- > Raquel > ============================================================ > Before you speak, it is necessary for you to listen, for God speaks > in the silence of the heart. > --Mother Teresa From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Fri Aug 1 01:10:38 2003 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] I guess it's my week for problems, sorry :( Message-ID: <3984.65.246.246.82.1059693038.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> When I search two lists, I get this error: (Note: htdig is working for other lists just fine, just not *these two* lists...) htdig Archives Access Failure The requested list cannot be accessed. list:list.htsearch If you want to make another attempt to access a list archive then go via the list users information page. If this problem persists then please e-mail the following information to the mailman at lists.wingfoot.org: https://www.wingfoot.org/mailman/private/list/ /mailman/mmsearch/list Again, I run FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE, MM 2.1.2, Postfix 2.0.10, postfix-to-mailman.py (for 2.1), and Apache 1.3.27 w/mod_perl. I did the following steps: 1) check_perms -f (didn't find anything) 2) went to /usr/local/mailman/archives/private and did: chown -R mailman:mailman * 3) Restarted apache, same error 4) did /usr/local/mailman/bin/blow_away_htdig -v list 5) posted to list 6) did /usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig -v list 7) restarted apache (for good measure), same error I have a /usr/local/www/cgi-bin/htsearch.. it works for other lists.. :-/ If I just go to the archives and click "Search" on these broken lists, I get: htdig Archives Access Failure CGI problem. -5-Field count -4- fields: method,format,sort,config If you want to make another attempt to access a list archive then go via the list users information page. If this problem persists then please e-mail the following information to the mailman at lists.wingfoot.org: https://www.wingfoot.org/mailman/private/list/ /mailman/mmsearch/list I even found an obscure reference and did the following: for list in `./list_lists | awk '{print $1}' | grep -v 50`; do ./withlist -l -r fix_url $list;done That also didn't fix it.. :-/ This is happening in both Mozilla and IE on my system... Help? *makes offers of chocolate* Thanks in advance, Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear "All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals"-Charge of the Goddess From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Aug 1 01:42:05 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 00:42:05 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I guess it's my week for problems, sorry :( In-Reply-To: <3984.65.246.246.82.1059693038.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> Message-ID: <97667176-C3B0-11D7-88C4-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> I suggest you try the following procedure for the two problem list: 1. run bin/blow_away_htdig for the problem lists with the -c option to rebuild per-list htdig conf files and delete existing per-list search indexes. This should delete the per-list htdig related stuff and remove the search form from those lists' archive TOC pages. It should not affect the HTML archives themselves 2. send a test message to each of the problem lists. This should ensure the per-list htdig related stuff (with the exception of the search indexes) is fully recreated and the search form is added back to those lists' archive TOC pages 3. run the nightly_htdig cron script from the command line for the two problem lists. This should rebuild the htdig search indexes Let me know if this fixes the problem or not. Were you originally running a version of the htdig integration patch earlier than that installed by htdig-2.1.1-0.2.patch? If so this may be the cause of problems with archived lists created under that earlier regime. The upgrade issue was covered in the INSTALL.htdig-mm file for htdig-2.1.1-0.2.patch or later and I am wondering if you have tripped over this issue. The major change introduced by htdig-2.1.1-0.2.patch was that htsearch is not called directly by the search forms. For security reason a CGI called mmsearch is called which in turn uses htsearch. This is described in INSTALL.htdig-mm On Friday, August 1, 2003, at 12:10 am, Glenn Sieb wrote: > When I search two lists, I get this error: (Note: htdig is working for > other lists just fine, just not *these two* lists...) > > htdig Archives Access Failure > > The requested list cannot be accessed. list:list.htsearch > > If you want to make another attempt to access a list archive then go > via > the list users information page. > > If this problem persists then please e-mail the following information > to > the mailman at lists.wingfoot.org: > > https://www.wingfoot.org/mailman/private/list/ > /mailman/mmsearch/list > > Again, I run FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE, MM 2.1.2, Postfix 2.0.10, > postfix-to-mailman.py (for 2.1), and Apache 1.3.27 w/mod_perl. > > I did the following steps: > > 1) check_perms -f (didn't find anything) > 2) went to /usr/local/mailman/archives/private and did: > chown -R mailman:mailman * > 3) Restarted apache, same error > 4) did /usr/local/mailman/bin/blow_away_htdig -v list > 5) posted to list > 6) did /usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig -v list > 7) restarted apache (for good measure), same error > > I have a /usr/local/www/cgi-bin/htsearch.. it works for other lists.. > :-/ > > If I just go to the archives and click "Search" on these broken lists, > I get: > > htdig Archives Access Failure > CGI problem. -5-Field count -4- fields: method,format,sort,config > > If you want to make another attempt to access a list archive then go > via > the list users information page. > > If this problem persists then please e-mail the following information > to > the mailman at lists.wingfoot.org: > > https://www.wingfoot.org/mailman/private/list/ > /mailman/mmsearch/list > > I even found an obscure reference and did the following: > > for list in `./list_lists | awk '{print $1}' | grep -v 50`; do > ./withlist > -l -r fix_url $list;done > > That also didn't fix it.. :-/ > > This is happening in both Mozilla and IE on my system... > > Help? > *makes offers of chocolate* > > Thanks in advance, > Glenn > --- > The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author > (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear > "All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals"-Charge of the Goddess > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From chris at christinedelarosa.com Fri Aug 1 01:48:53 2003 From: chris at christinedelarosa.com (Christine De La Rosa) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:48:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of reasons for bounce responses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c357be$4c87d940$0801a8c0@cdelarosa> This is the EXACT problem I am having with mailman, using cpanel and exim. I, however, am on a dedicated box and have root access. I have been working on this problem for over three weeks. I am tired and frustrated and wishing I knew a little more about mailman and its inner workings. I come from a majordomo background. When I got this dedicated server, it had mailman pre-installed so I thought kewl I will use it instead. It ran fabulously until cpanel did their last upgrade. I have been in hell since then. I wish I could help you, but I have not been able to figure out even from the logs what the issues are. Granted, looking at the logs are like gobbledigook to me. So I have spent a lot of time searching the archives for this problem. Although, I haven't been able to find anyone with my specific issue. I can tell you that qrunner has been consuming my cpu at astonishing rates. But there is no rhyme or reason to that, that I can see. If I find anything out I will post it here. Chris -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+chris=christinedelarosa.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+chris=christinedelarosa.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Richard Barrett Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 5:08 AM To: Mailman Subject: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of reasons for bounce responses This is not my problem but one soemone approached me about off list. I'll summarise their situation and I would appreciate any thoughts, comments, sanity checking on my analysis. Situation: 1. List admin's domain is hosted by a server run by a hosting company. 2. The server is (probably) running Linux 3. Mailman 2.1.2 is provided on the server with, I believe, CPanel 4. The server's MTA appears to be Exim 4.20 handling both incoming and outgoing messages to/from Mailman 5. Mailman list's basically work OK much of the time 6. Periodically messages out from Mailman are being bounced en masse leading to the subscriber accounts being disabled 7. The bounce response attached to the bounce action notice produced by Mailman when subscribers are disabled in these circumstances is from the server local MTA. The MTA lists what appears to be all the addresses to which the outgoing message was sent with a note against each saying "unrouteable mail domain maildomain.tld". The bounce response asserts that this is a permanent failure. The messages are each being sent to a number of different mail domains not just a single one 8. The list admin with the problem has no access to either the Mailman or MTA logs 9. The server administrator is supposedly claiming that these bounces are a result of "a bug in Mailman for which no patch is available" My analysis is: 1. The problem is not obviously due to any bug in Mailman 2. The problem is more likely due to an IP routing problem which periodically afflicts the server and its ability to reach the MTAs for the mail domains addressed by the outgoing messages 3. The MTA is accepting the outgoing messages from Mailman and then finding it has problems of its own in delivering mail which are unrelated to Mailman as the origin of the messages But I have to concede I know nothing about Exim 4.20. I know even less about CPanel. Any thoughts or anatomically feasible suggestions welcome. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: chris at christinedelarosa.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/chris%40christinede larosa.com From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Aug 1 02:29:39 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 01:29:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of reasons for bounce responses In-Reply-To: <000501c357be$4c87d940$0801a8c0@cdelarosa> Message-ID: <3CE53390-C3B7-11D7-88C4-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Chris On Friday, August 1, 2003, at 12:48 am, Christine De La Rosa wrote: > This is the EXACT problem I am having with mailman, using cpanel and > exim. I, however, am on a dedicated box and have root access. I have > been working on this problem for over three weeks. I am tired and > frustrated and wishing I knew a little more about mailman and its inner > workings. As I said in my post, this bounce issue is not, in my view, at heart a bug in Mailman. The evidence I saw of bounce notices from local MTA (Exim) say that the MTA is having problems getting outgoing mail off the system and finally bouncing it back to Mailman when it fails to do so. If you are getting final bounce notices from Mailman when it disables a subscriber because of these problems what is the reason reported in the bounce message from the MTA, which should be attached to the bottom of the final bounce notification from MM? In the example final bounce notice passed to me for comment the MTA was reporting it was having an IP routing problem; that is hardly a Mailman generated problem as far as I can tell. One of my problems with looking at this is I am trying to help out a fairly new user with a problem I have not seen on my systems, while I have no access to the Mailman or MTA logs on a system experiencing the problem. I have no standing with the CPanel owners to raise matters with them in case they are contributing to the problem with the way they set things up. Deeply frustrating. Let me know if you gain any insight or information related to this. > I come from a majordomo background. When I got this > dedicated server, it had mailman pre-installed so I thought kewl I will > use it instead. It ran fabulously until cpanel did their last upgrade. > I have been in hell since then. > > I wish I could help you, but I have not been able to figure out even > from the logs what the issues are. Granted, looking at the logs are > like gobbledigook to me. So I have spent a lot of time searching the > archives for this problem. Although, I haven't been able to find > anyone > with my specific issue. I can tell you that qrunner has been consuming > my cpu at astonishing rates. Mailman can consume large amounts of CPU when the MTA it is trying to hand mail over to repeatedly returns temporary failures. MM can be too aggressive in repeatedly trying to get the MTA to either accept or permanently fail the handover. There are changes in the Mailman CVS to moderate MM's efforts in this respect but so far as I know those changes are not available as a patch for MM 2.1.2 stable. This issue may be affecting you but I am no expert myself in setting up Exim so as to avoid this undesirable interaction; I do not see it with my Sendmail setup. There have been posts to mailman-users on the topic of high CPU utilisation. This one fromJon Carnes relates to Postfix MTA but its substance/recommendations may be applicable to Exim: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg17786.html > But there is no rhyme or reason to that, > that I can see. If I find anything out I will post it here. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+chris=christinedelarosa.com at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+chris=christinedelarosa.com at python.org] > On > Behalf Of Richard Barrett > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 5:08 AM > To: Mailman > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of reasons for bounce responses > > > This is not my problem but one soemone approached me about off list. > I'll summarise their situation and I would appreciate any thoughts, > comments, sanity checking on my analysis. > > Situation: > > 1. List admin's domain is hosted by a server run by a hosting company. > > 2. The server is (probably) running Linux > > 3. Mailman 2.1.2 is provided on the server with, I believe, CPanel > > 4. The server's MTA appears to be Exim 4.20 handling both incoming and > outgoing messages to/from Mailman > > 5. Mailman list's basically work OK much of the time > > 6. Periodically messages out from Mailman are being bounced en masse > leading to the subscriber accounts being disabled > > 7. The bounce response attached to the bounce action notice produced by > > Mailman when subscribers are disabled in these circumstances is from > the server local MTA. The MTA lists what appears to be all the > addresses to which the outgoing message was sent with a note against > each saying "unrouteable mail domain maildomain.tld". The bounce > response asserts that this is a permanent failure. The messages are > each being sent to a number of different mail domains not just a single > > one > > 8. The list admin with the problem has no access to either the Mailman > or MTA logs > > 9. The server administrator is supposedly claiming that these bounces > are a result of "a bug in Mailman for which no patch is available" > > My analysis is: > > 1. The problem is not obviously due to any bug in Mailman > > 2. The problem is more likely due to an IP routing problem which > periodically afflicts the server and its ability to reach the MTAs for > the mail domains addressed by the outgoing messages > > 3. The MTA is accepting the outgoing messages from Mailman and then > finding it has problems of its own in delivering mail which are > unrelated to Mailman as the origin of the messages > > But I have to concede I know nothing about Exim 4.20. I know even less > about CPanel. > > Any thoughts or anatomically feasible suggestions welcome. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > ----- > Richard Barrett > http://www.openinfo.co.uk From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Aug 1 02:43:48 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:43:48 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of reasons for bounce responses In-Reply-To: <000501c357be$4c87d940$0801a8c0@cdelarosa> References: <000501c357be$4c87d940$0801a8c0@cdelarosa> Message-ID: <20030801004348.GK7663@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Christine De La Rosa wrote: > When I got this dedicated server, it had mailman pre-installed so I > thought kewl I will use it instead. It ran fabulously until cpanel did > their last upgrade. I have been in hell since then. Unfortunately, I work on a site which is hosted using cPanel. It's a far cry from the problem free experience I have with my own mailman installs which "just work." When they finally did the upgrade to 2.1.2, I had some immediate problems with bounces but then the server admin applied an update from cPanel that seems to have fixed that. I don't know it the bounces were at all similar to what you're having, but I mention it in case you haven't applied whatever updates cPanel has pushed out. It was either a mailman or exim update, I'm not sure since I don't admin the box. Of course, the cPanel upgrade to 2.1.2 also broke some virtual host stuff for me that I have yet to get the host to work out. I have tried and tried to contact the folks at cPanel directly to find out what patches they apply to mailman and request the sources for those changes (as *required* by the GPL) to no avail. They have simply ignored me. I find that really annoying. If anyone knows of a way to reach someone at cPanel, please let us know. I'd like to point out to them that they *need* to make their changes available to the public. I'm not a fan of folks making money off of the work of open source software and then not even having the courtesy of honoring the few license requirements there are. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ I got stopped by a cop the other day. He said, "Why'd you run that stop sign?" I said, "Because I don't believe everything I read." -- Stephen Wright -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3rc2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/KbfEuv+09NZUB1oRAuC3AKCsj14RKywYjQtf3cXdIbFW2tOGtgCgsI7w jQdIuKN2/Ut9E4BwKyiOH/o= =27TD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From scot at linuxfromscratch.org Fri Aug 1 03:17:21 2003 From: scot at linuxfromscratch.org (Scot Mc Pherson) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:17:21 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Threading preservation Message-ID: <200307312117.21163.scot@linuxfromscratch.org> Is there a configuration to turn on/off threading by message-ID? -- Scot Mc Pherson Linux From Scratch http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~scot/ From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Fri Aug 1 05:33:43 2003 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] I guess it's my week for problems, sorry :( In-Reply-To: <97667176-C3B0-11D7-88C4-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> References: <3984.65.246.246.82.1059693038.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> <97667176-C3B0-11D7-88C4-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <2003.67.85.96.168.1059708823.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> Richard Barrett wrote: > I suggest you try the following procedure for the two problem list: Hey Richard... as always, I appreciate your efforts :) I did what you outlined, but it didn't work :( > Were you originally running a version of the htdig integration patch earlier than that installed by htdig-2.1.1-0.2.patch? If so this may be the cause of problems with archived lists created under that earlier regime. The upgrade issue was covered in the INSTALL.htdig-mm file for htdig-2.1.1-0.2.patch or later and I am wondering if you have tripped over this issue. Correct, I was running the htdig-2.1-0.1.patch. Unfortunately, now none of my searchables are working. Archiving seems fine, but searching any list is producing (given a blank search term): htdig Archives Access Failure CGI problem. -5-Field count -4- fields: method,format,sort,config If you want to make another attempt to access a list archive then go via the list users information page. If this problem persists then please e-mail the following information to the mailman at lists.wingfoot.org: https://www.wingfoot.org/pipermail/listname/ /mailman/mmsearch/listname > The major change introduced by htdig-2.1.1-0.2.patch was that htsearch is not called directly by the search forms. For security reason a CGI called mmsearch is called which in turn uses htsearch. This is described in INSTALL.htdig-mm *nod* I see that... nifty :) Again, thank you for your help... :) Glenn From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Aug 1 05:46:34 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 03:46:34 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of reasons for bounce responses In-Reply-To: <20030801004348.GK7663@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <000501c357be$4c87d940$0801a8c0@cdelarosa> <20030801004348.GK7663@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <1059709591.2620.5.camel@Anncons4> If anyone has sysadmin access to a server running CPanel, I would be happy do some trouble-shooting on the problem. >From the aggregate complaints it sounds like Cpanel has introduced an error with Exim. It could be something as simple as a timeout value. Are the servers also running a local DNS server - and set to resolve using 127.0.0.1 as the primary nameserver? There are so many things that could be a problem... On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 20:43, Todd wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Christine De La Rosa wrote: > > When I got this dedicated server, it had mailman pre-installed so I > > thought kewl I will use it instead. It ran fabulously until cpanel did > > their last upgrade. I have been in hell since then. > > Unfortunately, I work on a site which is hosted using cPanel. It's a far > cry from the problem free experience I have with my own mailman installs > which "just work." When they finally did the upgrade to 2.1.2, I had some > immediate problems with bounces but then the server admin applied an update > from cPanel that seems to have fixed that. I don't know it the bounces were > at all similar to what you're having, but I mention it in case you haven't > applied whatever updates cPanel has pushed out. It was either a mailman or > exim update, I'm not sure since I don't admin the box. > > Of course, the cPanel upgrade to 2.1.2 also broke some virtual host stuff > for me that I have yet to get the host to work out. I have tried and tried > to contact the folks at cPanel directly to find out what patches they apply > to mailman and request the sources for those changes (as *required* by the > GPL) to no avail. They have simply ignored me. I find that really > annoying. If anyone knows of a way to reach someone at cPanel, please let > us know. I'd like to point out to them that they *need* to make their > changes available to the public. I'm not a fan of folks making money off of > the work of open source software and then not even having the courtesy of > honoring the few license requirements there are. > > - -- > Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp > ============================================================================ > I got stopped by a cop the other day. He said, "Why'd you run that stop > sign?" I said, "Because I don't believe everything I read." > -- Stephen Wright > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3rc2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. > > iD8DBQE/KbfEuv+09NZUB1oRAuC3AKCsj14RKywYjQtf3cXdIbFW2tOGtgCgsI7w > jQdIuKN2/Ut9E4BwKyiOH/o= > =27TD > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From chris at christinedelarosa.com Fri Aug 1 06:30:24 2003 From: chris at christinedelarosa.com (Christine De La Rosa) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:30:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of reasons for bounce responses In-Reply-To: <3CE53390-C3B7-11D7-88C4-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <000001c357e5$a06a8a90$0801a8c0@cdelarosa> Hi Richard, Here is what I know so far, mail for most list members seem to be going through for the most part. About two weeks ago MM mass unscribed about 300 folx. Now we seem to have stablized the members but the owners of the lists are getting routinely bounced. Yahoo email address do not have a problem, aol is a major headache as is hotmail. What is happening on my side is that the sub notices are never reaching the owners, so they are bouncing like mad and eventually hit the excessive bounce phase after five days (since we have the settings set to set to nomail after 5 bounces and mailman set to send notifcations once a day). I have been monitoring this list and the cpanel forums (http://forums.cpanel.net) to see if this issue is resolved. I have tried several of the fixes they had on there to no avail. Although they have set out a new fix http://forums.cpanel.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12740&highlight=mail man for the qrunner eating up cpu, but I haven't tried it yet. I am basically trying to find bits and pieces and make them into a whole that will fix my problems. this is clipped and pasted from a final bounce message I am getting from MM. Since I don't really know how to read bounces I am not sure if the issue is on my side, their side or somewhere in the middle. Please note that the email that bounced on the sub notice is getting all its mail from just regular list mail. Hope this helps! Back to the quest! Chris ____________________________ This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice: List: Vegas Member: WCDancer at aol.com Action: Subscription disabled. Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces. The triggering bounce notice is attached below. Questions? Contact the Mailman site administrator at mailman at domain.com From: "Mail Delivery System" To: mailman-bounces at alpha.domain2.com Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 08:02:13 -0700 This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: WCDancer at isp.com SMTP error from remote mailer after MAIL FROM:: host mailin-01.mx.aol.com [152.163.224.26]: 550 REQUESTED ACTION NOT TAKEN: DNS FAILURE mcknz at isp.com SMTP error from remote mailer after MAIL FROM: SIZE=2643: host nymx-2.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.164]: 553 5.1.8 ... 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This notice of pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily. Pending subscriptions: funnygirlster at isp.com (Sue) Sat Jul 19 17:23:45 2003 dpoday at isp.com (deborah) Thu Jul 24 22:38:08 2003 pupigrl1 at isp.com (Jen) Sun Jul 27 04:36:20 2003 _____________________________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:30 PM To: Christine De La Rosa Cc: 'Mailman' Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of reasons for bounce responses Chris On Friday, August 1, 2003, at 12:48 am, Christine De La Rosa wrote: > This is the EXACT problem I am having with mailman, using cpanel and > exim. I, however, am on a dedicated box and have root access. I have > been working on this problem for over three weeks. I am tired and > frustrated and wishing I knew a little more about mailman and its > inner workings. As I said in my post, this bounce issue is not, in my view, at heart a bug in Mailman. The evidence I saw of bounce notices from local MTA (Exim) say that the MTA is having problems getting outgoing mail off the system and finally bouncing it back to Mailman when it fails to do so. If you are getting final bounce notices from Mailman when it disables a subscriber because of these problems what is the reason reported in the bounce message from the MTA, which should be attached to the bottom of the final bounce notification from MM? In the example final bounce notice passed to me for comment the MTA was reporting it was having an IP routing problem; that is hardly a Mailman generated problem as far as I can tell. One of my problems with looking at this is I am trying to help out a fairly new user with a problem I have not seen on my systems, while I have no access to the Mailman or MTA logs on a system experiencing the problem. I have no standing with the CPanel owners to raise matters with them in case they are contributing to the problem with the way they set things up. Deeply frustrating. Let me know if you gain any insight or information related to this. > I come from a majordomo background. When I got this dedicated server, > it had mailman pre-installed so I thought kewl I will use it instead. > It ran fabulously until cpanel did their last upgrade. I have been in > hell since then. > > I wish I could help you, but I have not been able to figure out even > from the logs what the issues are. Granted, looking at the logs are > like gobbledigook to me. So I have spent a lot of time searching the > archives for this problem. Although, I haven't been able to find > anyone > with my specific issue. I can tell you that qrunner has been consuming > my cpu at astonishing rates. Mailman can consume large amounts of CPU when the MTA it is trying to hand mail over to repeatedly returns temporary failures. MM can be too aggressive in repeatedly trying to get the MTA to either accept or permanently fail the handover. There are changes in the Mailman CVS to moderate MM's efforts in this respect but so far as I know those changes are not available as a patch for MM 2.1.2 stable. This issue may be affecting you but I am no expert myself in setting up Exim so as to avoid this undesirable interaction; I do not see it with my Sendmail setup. There have been posts to mailman-users on the topic of high CPU utilisation. This one fromJon Carnes relates to Postfix MTA but its substance/recommendations may be applicable to Exim: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg17786.html > But there is no rhyme or reason to that, > that I can see. If I find anything out I will post it here. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+chris=christinedelarosa.com at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+chris=christinedelarosa.com at python.org] > On > Behalf Of Richard Barrett > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 5:08 AM > To: Mailman > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of reasons for bounce responses > > > This is not my problem but one soemone approached me about off list. > I'll summarise their situation and I would appreciate any thoughts, > comments, sanity checking on my analysis. > > Situation: > > 1. List admin's domain is hosted by a server run by a hosting company. > > 2. The server is (probably) running Linux > > 3. Mailman 2.1.2 is provided on the server with, I believe, CPanel > > 4. The server's MTA appears to be Exim 4.20 handling both incoming and > outgoing messages to/from Mailman > > 5. Mailman list's basically work OK much of the time > > 6. Periodically messages out from Mailman are being bounced en masse > leading to the subscriber accounts being disabled > > 7. The bounce response attached to the bounce action notice produced by > > Mailman when subscribers are disabled in these circumstances is from > the server local MTA. The MTA lists what appears to be all the > addresses to which the outgoing message was sent with a note against > each saying "unrouteable mail domain maildomain.tld". The bounce > response asserts that this is a permanent failure. The messages are > each being sent to a number of different mail domains not just a single > > one > > 8. The list admin with the problem has no access to either the Mailman > or MTA logs > > 9. The server administrator is supposedly claiming that these bounces > are a result of "a bug in Mailman for which no patch is available" > > My analysis is: > > 1. The problem is not obviously due to any bug in Mailman > > 2. The problem is more likely due to an IP routing problem which > periodically afflicts the server and its ability to reach the MTAs for > the mail domains addressed by the outgoing messages > > 3. The MTA is accepting the outgoing messages from Mailman and then > finding it has problems of its own in delivering mail which are > unrelated to Mailman as the origin of the messages > > But I have to concede I know nothing about Exim 4.20. I know even less > about CPanel. > > Any thoughts or anatomically feasible suggestions welcome. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > ----- > Richard Barrett > http://www.openinfo.co.uk From chris at christinedelarosa.com Fri Aug 1 06:33:54 2003 From: chris at christinedelarosa.com (Christine De La Rosa) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:33:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of reasons for bounce responses In-Reply-To: <1059709591.2620.5.camel@Anncons4> Message-ID: <000101c357e6$1db96610$0801a8c0@cdelarosa> I checked my hosts file here it is # Do not remove the following line, or various programs # that require network functionality will fail. 127.0.0.1 alpha.domain2.com localhost 64.62.144.106 alpha.domain2.com localhost -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+chris=christinedelarosa.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+chris=christinedelarosa.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Jon Carnes Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 10:47 PM To: Todd Cc: 'Mailman' Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of reasons for bounce responses If anyone has sysadmin access to a server running CPanel, I would be happy do some trouble-shooting on the problem. >From the aggregate complaints it sounds like Cpanel has introduced an error with Exim. It could be something as simple as a timeout value. Are the servers also running a local DNS server - and set to resolve using 127.0.0.1 as the primary nameserver? There are so many things that could be a problem... On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 20:43, Todd wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Christine De La Rosa wrote: > > When I got this dedicated server, it had mailman pre-installed so I > > thought kewl I will use it instead. It ran fabulously until cpanel > > did their last upgrade. I have been in hell since then. > > Unfortunately, I work on a site which is hosted using cPanel. It's a > far cry from the problem free experience I have with my own mailman > installs which "just work." When they finally did the upgrade to > 2.1.2, I had some immediate problems with bounces but then the server > admin applied an update from cPanel that seems to have fixed that. I > don't know it the bounces were at all similar to what you're having, > but I mention it in case you haven't applied whatever updates cPanel > has pushed out. It was either a mailman or exim update, I'm not sure > since I don't admin the box. > > Of course, the cPanel upgrade to 2.1.2 also broke some virtual host > stuff for me that I have yet to get the host to work out. I have > tried and tried to contact the folks at cPanel directly to find out > what patches they apply to mailman and request the sources for those > changes (as *required* by the > GPL) to no avail. They have simply ignored me. I find that really > annoying. If anyone knows of a way to reach someone at cPanel, please let > us know. I'd like to point out to them that they *need* to make their > changes available to the public. I'm not a fan of folks making money off of > the work of open source software and then not even having the courtesy of > honoring the few license requirements there are. > > - -- > Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp > ====================================================================== > ====== > I got stopped by a cop the other day. He said, "Why'd you run that stop > sign?" I said, "Because I don't believe everything I read." > -- Stephen Wright > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3rc2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. > > iD8DBQE/KbfEuv+09NZUB1oRAuC3AKCsj14RKywYjQtf3cXdIbFW2tOGtgCgsI7w > jQdIuKN2/Ut9E4BwKyiOH/o= > =27TD > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: chris at christinedelarosa.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/chris%40christinede larosa.com From chris at christinedelarosa.com Fri Aug 1 06:44:13 2003 From: chris at christinedelarosa.com (Christine De La Rosa) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:44:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of reasons for bounce responses In-Reply-To: <3CE53390-C3B7-11D7-88C4-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <000201c357e7$8eaed430$0801a8c0@cdelarosa> Oh I forgot to add, that my dedicated is also a nameserver (domain.com) with about 10 hosted domains (domain1.com, domain2.com...) Chris -----Original Message----- From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:30 PM To: Christine De La Rosa Cc: 'Mailman' Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of reasons for bounce responses Chris On Friday, August 1, 2003, at 12:48 am, Christine De La Rosa wrote: > This is the EXACT problem I am having with mailman, using cpanel and > exim. I, however, am on a dedicated box and have root access. I have > been working on this problem for over three weeks. I am tired and > frustrated and wishing I knew a little more about mailman and its > inner workings. As I said in my post, this bounce issue is not, in my view, at heart a bug in Mailman. The evidence I saw of bounce notices from local MTA (Exim) say that the MTA is having problems getting outgoing mail off the system and finally bouncing it back to Mailman when it fails to do so. If you are getting final bounce notices from Mailman when it disables a subscriber because of these problems what is the reason reported in the bounce message from the MTA, which should be attached to the bottom of the final bounce notification from MM? In the example final bounce notice passed to me for comment the MTA was reporting it was having an IP routing problem; that is hardly a Mailman generated problem as far as I can tell. One of my problems with looking at this is I am trying to help out a fairly new user with a problem I have not seen on my systems, while I have no access to the Mailman or MTA logs on a system experiencing the problem. I have no standing with the CPanel owners to raise matters with them in case they are contributing to the problem with the way they set things up. Deeply frustrating. Let me know if you gain any insight or information related to this. > I come from a majordomo background. When I got this dedicated server, > it had mailman pre-installed so I thought kewl I will use it instead. > It ran fabulously until cpanel did their last upgrade. I have been in > hell since then. > > I wish I could help you, but I have not been able to figure out even > from the logs what the issues are. Granted, looking at the logs are > like gobbledigook to me. So I have spent a lot of time searching the > archives for this problem. Although, I haven't been able to find > anyone > with my specific issue. I can tell you that qrunner has been consuming > my cpu at astonishing rates. Mailman can consume large amounts of CPU when the MTA it is trying to hand mail over to repeatedly returns temporary failures. MM can be too aggressive in repeatedly trying to get the MTA to either accept or permanently fail the handover. There are changes in the Mailman CVS to moderate MM's efforts in this respect but so far as I know those changes are not available as a patch for MM 2.1.2 stable. This issue may be affecting you but I am no expert myself in setting up Exim so as to avoid this undesirable interaction; I do not see it with my Sendmail setup. There have been posts to mailman-users on the topic of high CPU utilisation. This one fromJon Carnes relates to Postfix MTA but its substance/recommendations may be applicable to Exim: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg17786.html > But there is no rhyme or reason to that, > that I can see. If I find anything out I will post it here. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+chris=christinedelarosa.com at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+chris=christinedelarosa.com at python.org] > On > Behalf Of Richard Barrett > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 5:08 AM > To: Mailman > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of reasons for bounce responses > > > This is not my problem but one soemone approached me about off list. > I'll summarise their situation and I would appreciate any thoughts, > comments, sanity checking on my analysis. > > Situation: > > 1. List admin's domain is hosted by a server run by a hosting company. > > 2. The server is (probably) running Linux > > 3. Mailman 2.1.2 is provided on the server with, I believe, CPanel > > 4. The server's MTA appears to be Exim 4.20 handling both incoming and > outgoing messages to/from Mailman > > 5. Mailman list's basically work OK much of the time > > 6. Periodically messages out from Mailman are being bounced en masse > leading to the subscriber accounts being disabled > > 7. The bounce response attached to the bounce action notice produced by > > Mailman when subscribers are disabled in these circumstances is from > the server local MTA. The MTA lists what appears to be all the > addresses to which the outgoing message was sent with a note against > each saying "unrouteable mail domain maildomain.tld". The bounce > response asserts that this is a permanent failure. The messages are > each being sent to a number of different mail domains not just a single > > one > > 8. The list admin with the problem has no access to either the Mailman > or MTA logs > > 9. The server administrator is supposedly claiming that these bounces > are a result of "a bug in Mailman for which no patch is available" > > My analysis is: > > 1. The problem is not obviously due to any bug in Mailman > > 2. The problem is more likely due to an IP routing problem which > periodically afflicts the server and its ability to reach the MTAs for > the mail domains addressed by the outgoing messages > > 3. The MTA is accepting the outgoing messages from Mailman and then > finding it has problems of its own in delivering mail which are > unrelated to Mailman as the origin of the messages > > But I have to concede I know nothing about Exim 4.20. I know even less > about CPanel. > > Any thoughts or anatomically feasible suggestions welcome. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > ----- > Richard Barrett > http://www.openinfo.co.uk From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Aug 1 08:45:31 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 07:45:31 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I guess it's my week for problems, sorry :( In-Reply-To: <2003.67.85.96.168.1059708823.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> Message-ID: On Friday, August 1, 2003, at 04:33 am, Glenn Sieb wrote: > Richard Barrett wrote: > >> I suggest you try the following procedure for the two problem list: > > Hey Richard... as always, I appreciate your efforts :) I did what you > outlined, but it didn't work :( > >> Were you originally running a version of the htdig integration patch > earlier than that installed by htdig-2.1.1-0.2.patch? If so this may be > the cause of problems with archived lists created under that earlier > regime. The upgrade issue was covered in the INSTALL.htdig-mm file for > htdig-2.1.1-0.2.patch or later and I am wondering if you have tripped > over this issue. > > Correct, I was running the htdig-2.1-0.1.patch. > > Unfortunately, now none of my searchables are working. Archiving seems > fine, but searching any list is producing (given a blank search term): > > htdig Archives Access Failure > > CGI problem. -5-Field count -4- fields: method,format,sort,config > The error response is saying that a field in the search form that mmsearch.py insists be present is missing. The required fields are called: 'method', 'format', 'sort', 'config' and 'words'. The 'words' field appears to be missing, this being the text field in which the words to be sought are entered on the form. The template for the search form is in templates/en/TOC_htsearch.html. The default value for the words field is the empty string with the tag for the field defined as 'input type="text" size="30" name="words" value=""' Take a look at the HTML form definition source of a list TOC page for a list that is suffering this problem and compare it with templates/en/TOC_htsearch.html. This may give some clue as to the cause of this problem. The blow_away_htdig etc routine I described and as described in INSTALL.htdig-mm should renew per-list search forms from the TOC_htsearch.html template. Let me know how you get on. > If you want to make another attempt to access a list archive then go > via > the list users information page. > > If this problem persists then please e-mail the following information > to > the mailman at lists.wingfoot.org: > > https://www.wingfoot.org/pipermail/listname/ > /mailman/mmsearch/listname > >> The major change introduced by htdig-2.1.1-0.2.patch was that htsearch > is not called directly by the search forms. For security reason a CGI > called mmsearch is called which in turn uses htsearch. This is > described > in INSTALL.htdig-mm > > *nod* I see that... nifty :) > > Again, thank you for your help... :) > Glenn > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Aug 1 09:07:07 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:07:07 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I guess it's my week for problems, sorry :( Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: > From: Richard Barrett > Date: Fri Aug 1, 2003 7:45:31 am Europe/London > To: "Glenn Sieb" > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] I guess it's my week for problems, sorry > :( > > > On Friday, August 1, 2003, at 04:33 am, Glenn Sieb wrote: > >> Richard Barrett wrote: >> >>> I suggest you try the following procedure for the two problem list: >> >> Hey Richard... as always, I appreciate your efforts :) I did what you >> outlined, but it didn't work :( >> >>> Were you originally running a version of the htdig integration patch >> earlier than that installed by htdig-2.1.1-0.2.patch? If so this may >> be >> the cause of problems with archived lists created under that earlier >> regime. The upgrade issue was covered in the INSTALL.htdig-mm file for >> htdig-2.1.1-0.2.patch or later and I am wondering if you have tripped >> over this issue. >> >> Correct, I was running the htdig-2.1-0.1.patch. >> >> Unfortunately, now none of my searchables are working. Archiving seems >> fine, but searching any list is producing (given a blank search term): >> >> htdig Archives Access Failure >> >> CGI problem. -5-Field count -4- fields: method,format,sort,config >> > OK. I just got onto a system with search integration installed. You will get this if you did not enter any words to search for on the search form. The browser does not transmit the 'words' field in the CGI request if the field is empty. I will look at a revision for the patch to produce a more user friendly response about missing search-for words to deal with this situation. > The error response is saying that a field in the search form that > mmsearch.py insists be present is missing. > > The required fields are called: 'method', 'format', 'sort', 'config' > and 'words'. > > The 'words' field appears to be missing, this being the text field in > which the words to be sought are entered on the form. > > The template for the search form is in templates/en/TOC_htsearch.html. > > The default value for the words field is the empty string with the tag > for the field defined as 'input type="text" size="30" name="words" > value=""' > > Take a look at the HTML form definition source of a list TOC page for > a list that is suffering this problem and compare it with > templates/en/TOC_htsearch.html. > > This may give some clue as to the cause of this problem. > > The blow_away_htdig etc routine I described and as described in > INSTALL.htdig-mm should renew per-list search forms from the > TOC_htsearch.html template. > > Let me know how you get on. > >> If you want to make another attempt to access a list archive then go >> via >> the list users information page. >> >> If this problem persists then please e-mail the following information >> to >> the mailman at lists.wingfoot.org: >> >> https://www.wingfoot.org/pipermail/listname/ >> /mailman/mmsearch/listname >> >>> The major change introduced by htdig-2.1.1-0.2.patch was that >>> htsearch >> is not called directly by the search forms. For security reason a CGI >> called mmsearch is called which in turn uses htsearch. This is >> described >> in INSTALL.htdig-mm >> >> *nod* I see that... nifty :) >> >> Again, thank you for your help... :) >> Glenn >> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From dlc at cs.appstate.edu Fri Aug 1 13:53:51 2003 From: dlc at cs.appstate.edu (Darryl Cook) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 07:53:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with installation of mailman Message-ID: <3F2A54CF.4090805@cs.cs.appstate.edu> I didnt get any replies the first time so Ill post once more in hope that someone can provide some insight to the problem.......... Im trying to install mailman on a Compaq ES40 running Tru64 5.1b. I have installed it successfully on a linux box but cant get it to run on my production box which is the Tru64 box. Apache 2.0.46 is running fine and mailman compiled fine. Ive made all the changes to the httpd.conf file in regard to the cgi scriptalias so it knows where the pages are. I created a new test mailing list and did get an email telling me where to go to etc etc. When I point the web browser there though I get the following: ******* Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, webmaster at cs.appstate.edu and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. ******* When I look at the log file it says: Premature end of script headers: admin any ideas appreciated........ From heather at pcgal.com Fri Aug 1 15:41:05 2003 From: heather at pcgal.com (Heather J. Lubinsky) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 06:41:05 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weird Triple post problems Message-ID: <080801c35832$8f0d04b0$c94545a9@lubinsky.com> I have an earthlink user. She belongs to several of our lists but one of our lists - gives her 3 posts. I recently had her unsubscribe and subscribe a hotmail account - she had no problems. So she resubscribed and she even received 3 confirmation requests. When she gets the posts whether digest or standard she gets 3 of them - but only with the one list. At first I thought it was at her end like downloading problems - but it is always 3 and only with this one list. I mean even her confirmation to subscribe was 3 of them. She has sent me the emails and they are all identical. No one else on the list seems to have this problem - does anyone have any ideas of log files to check or anything that might account for this? Like I said it is only this one user on this one list even the user doesn't have problems on our other lists and they are identical setups (at least I think they are) Oh and originally it was NOT happening to her when she signed up but at one point she started getting the problem it has never gone away and it is with EVERY post from ONLY that list. Even having her unsubscribe for 3 weeks and using another account did not work. Heather Lubinsky heather at pcgal.com From claw at kanga.nu Fri Aug 1 16:03:24 2003 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 10:03:24 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weird Triple post problems In-Reply-To: Message from "Heather J. Lubinsky" of "Fri, 01 Aug 2003 06:41:05 PDT." <080801c35832$8f0d04b0$c94545a9@lubinsky.com> References: <080801c35832$8f0d04b0$c94545a9@lubinsky.com> Message-ID: <30177.1059746604@kanga.nu> On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 06:41:05 -0700 Heather J Lubinsky wrote: > She has sent me the emails and they are all identical. Were they identical down to the exact content of the all Received headers? -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From jamesList at primax.com Fri Aug 1 16:06:31 2003 From: jamesList at primax.com (james o) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:06:31 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] text vs. HTML message sensing... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5A07BE34-C429-11D7-8A0D-003065E7172C@primax.com> does mailman have the ability to determine if the recipient can receive HTML or a text message and send the appropriate message? if so, how is this managed? if not, can anyone recommend how to go about setting something like this up? thanks, ./james { primax STUDIO : http://primaxSTUDIO.com : 513.772.1223 } From claw at kanga.nu Fri Aug 1 16:12:27 2003 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 10:12:27 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] text vs. HTML message sensing... In-Reply-To: Message from james o of "Fri, 01 Aug 2003 10:06:31 EDT." <5A07BE34-C429-11D7-8A0D-003065E7172C@primax.com> References: <5A07BE34-C429-11D7-8A0D-003065E7172C@primax.com> Message-ID: <30622.1059747147@kanga.nu> On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:06:31 -0400 james o wrote: > does mailman have the ability to determine if the recipient can > receive HTML or a text message and send the appropriate message? if > so, how is this managed? if not, can anyone recommend how to go about > setting something like this up? Is there a problem here that multipart/alternative doesn't solve? -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From jdecarlo at mitre.org Fri Aug 1 17:32:06 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:32:06 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can Mailman Names be Exported? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F2A87F6.9020706@mitre.org> Chuck, I modified the 'list_members' script in /bin to output csv. It isn't hard, really. See my post in the archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg18231.html Note that the thread was such that some people needed "formataddr" instead of "commaaddr". Chuck Basford wrote: > Is it possible to export a mailman v 2.1 list of > names and email addresses to a csv (comma > delimited) format file. > ie. export so that names come out like > > Tom Smith, tom at abc.com > Bill Rogers,bill at xyz.org > etc. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From admin2 at enabled.com Fri Aug 1 20:35:06 2003 From: admin2 at enabled.com (admin) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:35:06 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving old archives from topica and riseup Message-ID: <20030801183506.M8392@enabled.com> this might have been mentioned in past emails so please send me to the archives if need be... We are looking for an easy way to install all past list archives into a central location - meaning our mailman mail list. the archives are located at topica and riseup.net - any suggestions here? - Noah From paul.williams at uwex.edu Fri Aug 1 21:02:44 2003 From: paul.williams at uwex.edu (Paul F. Williams) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 14:02:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failed delivery sent to test list Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030801134203.00a9d100@imap.uwex.edu> It looks like when there is a failed delivery, to a particular address I see 2 odd things. 1) the messages get sent to the address test-admin which is not the list where the bad address was located 2) nowhere in the failed message does it indicate the list where the bad address is located. Have I done something to mis-configure the system or is this normal behavior? From Stephen.Viens at FMR.COM Fri Aug 1 21:09:07 2003 From: Stephen.Viens at FMR.COM (Viens, Steve) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:09:07 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Eliminate the subscription confirmation step? Message-ID: Excuse my ignorance everyone - I'm a total Mailman newbie. I was wondering if there was a way to eliminate the step of requiring a subscriber to confirm a subscription request? Steve Steve Viens Principal Consultant Fidelity Center for Applied Technology Emerging Technology stephen.viens at fmr.com 617.392.0496 (phone) 617.385.1954 (fax) From paul.williams at uwex.edu Fri Aug 1 21:20:12 2003 From: paul.williams at uwex.edu (Paul F. Williams) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 14:20:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Monthly reminder with failed delivery is sent to test list Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030801141613.02cb2ba0@imap.uwex.edu> On the first of each month, when the mailing list membership reminder is sent out, it looks like when there is a failed delivery, to a particular address I see 2 odd things. 1) the messages get sent to the address test-admin which is not the list where the bad address was located 2) nowhere in the failed message does it indicate the list where the bad address is located. Have I done something to mis-configure the system or is this normal behavior? Thanks, paulw From paul.williams at uwex.edu Fri Aug 1 21:42:01 2003 From: paul.williams at uwex.edu (Paul F. Williams) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 14:42:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is Mailman 2.1.2 out yet for Redhat 7.x and/or Redhat 8.x? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030801143822.02c59ae8@imap.uwex.edu> Has anyone seen Mailman 2.1.2 for Redhat 7.x and/or Redhat 8.x? I only have seen mailman-2.0.13-1.i386.rpm, and there are some new features in 2.1.2 that would be nice to have. Thanks, paulw From jimpop at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 21:54:41 2003 From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:54:41 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is Mailman 2.1.2 out yet for Redhat 7.x and/orRedhat 8.x? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030801143822.02c59ae8@imap.uwex.edu> Message-ID: Hi Paul, I just went through this same issue this week on a rh7.3 box. Basically you need to install the python2 rpms ("up2date -i python2 python2-devel") and then download and install mailman 2.1.2 using the following commands: tar -xvzf mailman.tar.gz cd mailman-2.1.2 ./configure --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.1 make install You may want to run ./configure --help in order to see what other options you can specify. One additional one that I used was "--prefix=/exposed/mailman" hth, -Jim P. > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+jimpop=yahoo.com at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jimpop=yahoo.com at python.org]On Behalf Of > Paul F. Williams > Sent: Friday, 01 August, 2003 15:42 > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is Mailman 2.1.2 out yet for Redhat 7.x > and/orRedhat 8.x? > > > Has anyone seen Mailman 2.1.2 for Redhat 7.x and/or Redhat 8.x? > > I only have seen mailman-2.0.13-1.i386.rpm, and there are some > new features > in 2.1.2 that would be nice to have. > > Thanks, > > paulw > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jimpop at yahoo.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jimpop%40yahoo.com > From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Aug 1 22:00:19 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 20:00:19 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is Mailman 2.1.2 out yet for Redhat 7.x and/or Redhat 8.x? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030801143822.02c59ae8@imap.uwex.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030801143822.02c59ae8@imap.uwex.edu> Message-ID: <1059768017.4415.76.camel@Anncons4> On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 15:42, Paul F. Williams wrote: > Has anyone seen Mailman 2.1.2 for Redhat 7.x and/or Redhat 8.x? > > I only have seen mailman-2.0.13-1.i386.rpm, and there are some new features > in 2.1.2 that would be nice to have. > > Thanks, > > paulw > I avoid using RH 8 since Red Hat indicates that it will never be fully supported. A lot of folks use RH 7.3, but I've found that RH 9 is really good and works great as a mailserver with Mailman. Red Hat 9 also comes with Mailman 2.1 via rpm. You can always install the latest version of Mailman from source. You will find that it is very simple to do, and the instructions contained in the source tarball are very good. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Aug 1 22:10:32 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:10:32 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is Mailman 2.1.2 out yet for Redhat 7.x and/or Redhat 8.x? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030801143822.02c59ae8@imap.uwex.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030801143822.02c59ae8@imap.uwex.edu> Message-ID: <20030801201032.GN7663@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Paul F. Williams wrote: > Has anyone seen Mailman 2.1.2 for Redhat 7.x and/or Redhat 8.x? Check rpmfind.net. You may find some there. I built my own RPM for 7.3, originally based on the redhat rpm for 2.0.something. If you promise not to ask me about it nor bitch if it doesn't work for you, you can grab the specfile and various source files from here: http://pobox.com/~tmz/RPMS/ This is one of those "WORKSFORME" kind of things. I use Postfix as the MTA on the systems I run, so the rpm triggers and other stuff for sendmail might not work well, they certainly aren't well tested. If you use this and it breaks your system, you get to keep the pieces. I offer no warranty or support at all for this. Unless you are dying for an RPM, I'd say it's much easier to just install from source. That way the folks here will have a better idea of what your install should look like if you need help later. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Over himself, over his own mind and body, the individual is sovereign. -- J.S. Mill, On Liberty, 1859, "Introductory" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3rc2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/Ksk4uv+09NZUB1oRAoUCAJ0QyM3G0+WqHlV2aljGqy2LwYTSJACdGCSb 4hiYMgjgdTM3n6eSCL5QH0c= =IJkD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From purplenachos at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 22:33:29 2003 From: purplenachos at yahoo.com (Jeff) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:33:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] python 1.4 Message-ID: <20030801203329.26568.qmail@web11401.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, My host has Python 1.4 only installed and in the mailman site, it says that Python 1.5 is required. Is there any way I can get mailman running with only Python 1.4? or what parts of the source require Python 1.5 I can disable? Thanks __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From shrub at mac.com Fri Aug 1 19:06:06 2003 From: shrub at mac.com (Paul Schreiber) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:06:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] shunt errors from archiver (IOError 13, permission denied) Message-ID: <20514D25-C48A-11D7-A081-00039301A02E@mac.com> I'm running mailman 2.1.2; debian package version is 2.1.2-6. I'm using Sendmail for mail. The traceback below showing up in my error log. Running check_perms says "no problems found." The directory in question looks like this: drwxrws--- 2 root list 4096 Aug 1 13:00 database I looked in the list archives, and found similar, but not identical, problems. I'm thinking whatever is causing this is also prevent mail for one of the lists for getting out. What can I do to fix this? Paul shad 96c / uw cs 2001 / mac activist / fumbler / eda / headliner / navy-souper fan of / sophie b. / steve poltz / habs / bills / 49ers / "i'm so lucky i've got you to kick my ass" -- Tricia Concepcion, "Anything is Everything" Jul 31 21:14:58 2003 (7707) SHUNTING: 1059700497.72416+39aa5f655fb46db110c97bca88d832bef11a73ec Jul 31 22:13:40 2003 (7707) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/uws-dev/database/2003-July- date.lock.frontier.7707.994' Jul 31 22:13:40 2003 (7707) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose mlist.ArchiveMail(msg) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 206, in ArchiveMail h.processUnixMailbox(f) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 560, in processUnixMailbox self.add_article(a) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 606, in add_article article.parentID = parentID = self.get_parent_info(arch, article) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 640, in get_parent_info if parentID and not self.database.hasArticle(archive, parentID): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 273, in hasArticle self.__openIndices(archive) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 251, in __openIndices t = DumbBTree(os.path.join(arcdir, archive + '-' + i)) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 61, in __init__ self.lock() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 77, in lock self.lockfile.lock() File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 243, in lock self.__write() File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 422, in __write fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w') IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/uws-dev/database/2003-July- date.lock.frontier.7707.994' From mss at mawhrin.net Fri Aug 1 01:46:41 2003 From: mss at mawhrin.net (Mikhail Sobolev) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 00:46:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: A bug in Russian template In-Reply-To: <00d501c3579a$b7c18900$a2373a90@epri.com> References: <00d501c3579a$b7c18900$a2373a90@epri.com> Message-ID: <20030731234641.GB24687@mawhrin.net> Hi Vadim Thanks for the information. (Yes, the site was down today for several hours). I did see your message to the mailing list, and tried to update the cvs tree right away, however the operation failed. Hopefully it will succeed later. Thanks again -- Misha On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 12:33:59PM -0700, vadim getmanshchuk wrote: > Hi, > > Althought, the problem is regarding a page that generating on Russian - you can see it youself, that bottom part is not translated. > > My users found a problem - they could not get to options page if they view listinfo page on Russian. I investigated that russian template starts wrong form. I have Mailman 2.1.1. I've fixed it as follows: > > murzik:pts/5{vaget}mailman/templates/ru>diff listinfo.orig listinfo.html > 120c120 > < > --- > > > > Please, include it in your later edition. > > Thanks, > Vadim > > ps. I was trying to contact russian editor, but looks like his web site http://only.mawhrin.net/mailman/listinfo/mailman-ru is down. I cc him just in case. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030801/2c044a00/attachment.pgp From chasm at texas.net Fri Aug 1 03:01:13 2003 From: chasm at texas.net (schuetzen) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:01:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cannot strip html, here are my settings. Message-ID: ****ok, the html did not get stripped off as seen below. Message snip>=========== 3. Go the extra mile ... drive home in the dark. Oh, and put off buying a television set as long as you can. Now, if you have any idea at all what's good for you, you will get the hell out of here and never come back. Class dismissed.
 
excerpt snip>=========== ***headers of message are Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mail2.aus1.texas.net id h710Ljj00314 ***even with my ISP converting it still left the html code ***here are the settings from my list's content filter box Should Mailman filter the content of list traffic according to the settings below? (Edit filter_content) No X Yes Remove message attachments that have a matching content type. (Details for filter_mime_types multipart/mixed multipart/alternative image jpeg gif html .*octet .*oda .*audio .*image .*alternative .*digest .*mixed .*related .*rich .*html .*video .*vcf .*dat ***and for the Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type. Leave this field blank to skip this filter test. (Details for pass_mime_types text/plain multipart/mixed multipart/alternative ===== Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? This conversion happens after MIME attachments have been stripped. (Edit convert_html_to_plaintext) YES ***and under Pass filters, only text/plain is left in the box what is set wrong?? chas From mailman at vo.cnchost.com Sat Aug 2 16:32:09 2003 From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 07:32:09 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of reasons for bounce responses In-Reply-To: <000001c357e5$a06a8a90$0801a8c0@cdelarosa> References: <3CE53390-C3B7-11D7-88C4-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <6.0.0.10.0.20030802072948.049cf008@127.0.0.1> At 09:30 PM 7/31/2003, Christine De La Rosa wrote: >Hi Richard, > >Here is what I know so far, mail for most list members seem to be going >through for the most part. About two weeks ago MM mass unscribed about >300 folx. Now we seem to have stablized the members but the owners of >the lists are getting routinely bounced. Yahoo email address do not >have a problem, aol is a major headache as is hotmail. This is a big clue that the MTA is improperly configured and is trying to deliver to the AOL and Hotmail servers messages for more recipients than those systems allow - triggering anti-spam filtering on the recipient MTA at AOL and Hotmail. The messages are then bounced. My guess is that they changed the MTA at around the same time they upgraded Mailman, and you are barking up the wrong tree to try to find the source of the problem. jc From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Sat Aug 2 17:17:04 2003 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] I guess it's my week for problems, sorry :( In-Reply-To: References: <2003.67.85.96.168.1059708823.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> Message-ID: <4298.67.85.96.168.1059837424.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> Richard Barrett said: > The error response is saying that a field in the search form that > mmsearch.py insists be present is missing. I have compared /usr/local/mailman/templates/en/TOC_htsearch.html with the output the lists are putting on the Archives page. They match:

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> The required fields are called: 'method', 'format', 'sort', 'config' > and 'words'. They all appear... but the searching still fails. I did notice this: htdig Archives Access Failure The requested list cannot be accessed. mngwedding:mngwedding.htsearch ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If you want to make another attempt to access a list archive then go via the list users information page. If this problem persists then please e-mail the following information to the mailman at lists.wingfoot.org: https://www.wingfoot.org/mailman/private/mngwedding/ /mailman/mmsearch/mngwedding That file does not exist anywhere on my hard drive (mngwedding.htsearch). I think the problem is that the file itself is mngwedding.htsearch.conf.... > The blow_away_htdig etc routine I described and as described in > INSTALL.htdig-mm should renew per-list search forms from the > TOC_htsearch.html template. *nod* That, at least, appears to have worked. Now to get it to look at the right .conf files :) Thanks again, Richard :) Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear "All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals"-Charge of the Goddess From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Sat Aug 2 17:43:01 2003 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] OoooOOookay....... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4431.67.85.96.168.1059838981.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> Mailman-owner at host.whitworks.com said: > You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has > been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are > being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at > Mailman-owner at host.whitworks.com. Errr?? Who's "whitworks.com" and why are they doing a terrible job of masquerading as the owner of this list? G. --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb. ICQ UIN: 300395 IRC Nick: Rainbear "All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals"-Charge of the Goddess From brad.knowles at skynet.be Sat Aug 2 18:13:07 2003 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:13:07 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of reasons for bounce responses In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.10.0.20030802072948.049cf008@127.0.0.1> References: <3CE53390-C3B7-11D7-88C4-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> <6.0.0.10.0.20030802072948.049cf008@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: At 7:32 AM -0700 2003/08/02, JC Dill wrote: > This is a big clue that the MTA is improperly configured and is > trying to deliver to the AOL and Hotmail servers messages for > more recipients than those systems allow - triggering anti-spam > filtering on the recipient MTA at AOL and Hotmail. The messages > are then bounced. A properly written MTA should automatically handle issues like this and re-split the envelopes as necessary. Sendmail will do this, as will postfix. Dunno about Exim. I think the problem lies somewhere with a locally screwed up MTA which periodically won't respond at all, or can't get to its local DNS, so stuff bounces when it shouldn't. But I can't be sure. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From box99 at ntlworld.com Sat Aug 2 18:13:09 2003 From: box99 at ntlworld.com (david.gordon) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 17:13:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade install - "Could not import paths!" Message-ID: <20030802161309.28916@smtp.ntlworld.com> I had MM 2.0.x, upgrading to MM 2.1.2 by installing over - not moving lists about. I used --prefix=/home/mailman. I can see a couple of errors reported and when I do a bin/check_perms i get.. ==== [admin at xyz mailman-2.1.2]$ cd /home/mailman [admin at xyz mailman]$ bin/check_perms Could not import paths! This probably means that you are trying to run check_perms from the source directory. You must run this from the installation directory instead. Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/check_perms", line 38, in ? import paths File "bin/paths.py", line 59, in ? import korean ImportError: No module named korean ==== As I understand I need to be in $prefix to run check_perms and that's / home/mailman so the warning is either wrong or something else... ;-) Cron daemon is also sending the following every five minutes >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 38, in ? > import paths > File "/home/mailman/cron/paths.py", line 59, in ? > import korean >ImportError: No module named korean Same/different trouble? Thanks for help! -- david.gordon From ewilts at ewilts.org Sat Aug 2 19:46:11 2003 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 12:46:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of reasons for bounce responses In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.10.0.20030802072948.049cf008@127.0.0.1>; from mailman@vo.cnchost.com on Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 07:32:09AM -0700 References: <3CE53390-C3B7-11D7-88C4-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> <000001c357e5$a06a8a90$0801a8c0@cdelarosa> <6.0.0.10.0.20030802072948.049cf008@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <20030802124611.A27144@www.ewilts.org> On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 07:32:09AM -0700, JC Dill wrote: > At 09:30 PM 7/31/2003, Christine De La Rosa wrote: > >Hi Richard, > > > >Here is what I know so far, mail for most list members seem to be going > >through for the most part. About two weeks ago MM mass unscribed about > >300 folx. Now we seem to have stablized the members but the owners of > >the lists are getting routinely bounced. Yahoo email address do not > >have a problem, aol is a major headache as is hotmail. > > This is a big clue that the MTA is improperly configured and is trying to > deliver to the AOL and Hotmail servers messages for more recipients than > those systems allow - triggering anti-spam filtering on the recipient MTA > at AOL and Hotmail. The messages are then bounced. My guess is that they > changed the MTA at around the same time they upgraded Mailman, and you are > barking up the wrong tree to try to find the source of the problem. A quick test would be to drop the maximum number of recipients in Mailman. In mm_cfg.py, set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to 20. Details are in Defaults.py. This will chunk your messages to a maximum of 20 recipients at a time. Some people have done performance tests to suggest that dropping this to about 5 will give you better throughput. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org From marc at perkel.com Sat Aug 2 20:11:39 2003 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 11:11:39 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Looping Message-ID: <3F2BFEDB.5090108@perkel.com> Mailman started looping - using up a lot of processor and resources. I ran an strace and this is what it's doing. What do I have messed up? It's very busy doing nothing. munmap(0x401bc000, 4096) = 0 unlink("/etc/mailman/qfiles/out/1059668916.586032+8c61dda9317d5ea99d9c330ae73482eaede0d693.db") = 0 open("/etc/mailman/qfiles/out/1059668916.586032+8c61dda9317d5ea99d9c330ae73482eaede0d693.pck", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 6 fstat64(6, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0660, st_size=1608, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x401bc000 read(6, "(cMailman.Message\nUserNotificati"..., 4096) = 1608 unlink("/etc/mailman/qfiles/out/1059668916.586032+8c61dda9317d5ea99d9c330ae73482eaede0d693.pck") = 0 close(6) = 0 munmap(0x401bc000, 4096) = 0 stat64("/usr/mailman/messages/en_US.ISO8859-1/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", 0xbfffee80) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat64("/usr/mailman/messages/en_US/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", 0xbfffee80) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat64("/usr/mailman/messages/en.ISO8859-1/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", 0xbfffee80) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat64("/usr/mailman/messages/en/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", 0xbfffee80) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) gettimeofday({1059841437, 482524}, NULL) = 0 gettimeofday({1059841437, 482615}, NULL) = 0 umask(07) = 0 open("/etc/mailman/qfiles/out/1059668916.586032+3fe9305e11f8dcd259ddd30b1fc9f6e7cdb340fb.pck", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 6 umask(0) = 07 fstat64(6, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0660, st_size=0, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x401bc000 write(6, "(cMailman.Message\nUserNotificati"..., 1608) = 1608 close(6) = 0 munmap(0x401bc000, 4096) = 0 umask(07) = 0 open("/etc/mailman/qfiles/out/1059668916.586032+3fe9305e11f8dcd259ddd30b1fc9f6e7cdb340fb.db.tmp", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 6 umask(0) = 07 fstat64(6, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0660, st_size=0, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x401bc000 write(6, "{s\4\0\0\0langs\2\0\0\0ens\10\0\0\0listnames\n"..., 426) = 426 close(6) = 0 munmap(0x401bc000, 4096) = 0 From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Aug 2 20:32:47 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 18:32:47 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Looping In-Reply-To: <3F2BFEDB.5090108@perkel.com> References: <3F2BFEDB.5090108@perkel.com> Message-ID: <1059849162.4374.10.camel@Anncons4> What is your version of mailman?, OS?, what is the mta?, how did you install (source, rpm, apt-get)? Are you running postfix? Have you modified the default settings for: unknown_local_recipient_reject_code Good Luck - Jon On Sat, 2003-08-02 at 14:11, Marc Perkel wrote: > Mailman started looping - using up a lot of processor and resources. I > ran an strace and this is what it's doing. What do I have messed up? > It's very busy doing nothing. > > > munmap(0x401bc000, 4096) = 0 > unlink("/etc/mailman/qfiles/out/1059668916.586032+8c61dda9317d5ea99d9c330ae73482eaede0d693.db") > = 0 > open("/etc/mailman/qfiles/out/1059668916.586032+8c61dda9317d5ea99d9c330ae73482eaede0d693.pck", > > O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 6 > fstat64(6, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0660, st_size=1608, ...}) = 0 > mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, > 0) = 0x401bc000 > read(6, "(cMailman.Message\nUserNotificati"..., 4096) = 1608 > unlink("/etc/mailman/qfiles/out/1059668916.586032+8c61dda9317d5ea99d9c330ae73482eaede0d693.pck") > = 0 > close(6) = 0 > munmap(0x401bc000, 4096) = 0 > stat64("/usr/mailman/messages/en_US.ISO8859-1/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", > 0xbfffee80) = -1 ENOENT (No such file > or directory) > stat64("/usr/mailman/messages/en_US/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", 0xbfffee80) > = -1 ENOENT (No such file or > directory) > stat64("/usr/mailman/messages/en.ISO8859-1/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", > 0xbfffee80) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or > directory) > stat64("/usr/mailman/messages/en/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", 0xbfffee80) = > -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) > gettimeofday({1059841437, 482524}, NULL) = 0 > gettimeofday({1059841437, 482615}, NULL) = 0 > umask(07) = 0 > open("/etc/mailman/qfiles/out/1059668916.586032+3fe9305e11f8dcd259ddd30b1fc9f6e7cdb340fb.pck", > > O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 6 > umask(0) = 07 > fstat64(6, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0660, st_size=0, ...}) = 0 > mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, > 0) = 0x401bc000 > write(6, "(cMailman.Message\nUserNotificati"..., 1608) = 1608 > close(6) = 0 > munmap(0x401bc000, 4096) = 0 > umask(07) = 0 > open("/etc/mailman/qfiles/out/1059668916.586032+3fe9305e11f8dcd259ddd30b1fc9f6e7cdb340fb.db.tmp", > > O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 6 > umask(0) = 07 > fstat64(6, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0660, st_size=0, ...}) = 0 > mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, > 0) = 0x401bc000 > write(6, "{s\4\0\0\0langs\2\0\0\0ens\10\0\0\0listnames\n"..., 426) = 426 > close(6) = 0 > munmap(0x401bc000, 4096) = 0 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From info at haus-schwarzenberg.org Sat Aug 2 20:22:54 2003 From: info at haus-schwarzenberg.org (Schwarzenberg, Weiffenbach) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 18:23:54 +1 Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply-to? Message-ID: <3F2C01BA.13981.A03B49@localhost> hi, i just installed mailman 2.1.2. because of problems with my old 2.0.? version. in this new version there is one thing i don't understand: if i switch on the anonymous_list feature and additional? define an EXPLICIT reply_to_address, in the messages from that list appears a rep?ly-to with BOTH the list-address and the 'explicit' reply-to address in it. this ist no good. i there a way to get mailman to use only the reply_to_address? please send a copy of your answer to my email address. thanks, u. --- The Thing, http://www.thing.de Ulf Schleth, Rosenthaler Str. 39, D-10178 Berlin fon +49-30-44650705 fax +49-30-44650704 From pholland at cableone.net Sat Aug 2 20:59:34 2003 From: pholland at cableone.net (Pat Holland) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:59:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 403 Forbidden error accessing public archives Message-ID: <001801c35928$36a542f0$3c9e7518@Pat> I need information about the 403 Forbidden error. I tried to submit secure information and got this message. Does that me the information was received. I really need to know as I found out the sender was fraudulent and if my information was sent I am the victim of identity theft. Thanks, Pat From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Aug 2 21:13:29 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 19:13:29 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 403 Forbidden error accessing public archives In-Reply-To: <001801c35928$36a542f0$3c9e7518@Pat> References: <001801c35928$36a542f0$3c9e7518@Pat> Message-ID: <1059851605.4374.23.camel@Anncons4> On Sat, 2003-08-02 at 14:59, Pat Holland wrote: > I need information about the 403 Forbidden error. I tried to submit secure information and got this message. Does that me the information was received. I really need to know as I found out the sender was fraudulent and if my information was sent I am the victim of identity theft. > > Thanks, Pat You should probably expect the worse-case. Since you got back a response after submitting your name/password (even though it was a 403), your data arrived at that sight. Whether or not they actually recorded your username/password is up for debate, but the possibility exists that they did. Time to change your password. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From mailman at vo.cnchost.com Sun Aug 3 00:37:56 2003 From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 15:37:56 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] OoooOOookay....... In-Reply-To: <4431.67.85.96.168.1059838981.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.10.0.20030802153210.044f2cf0@127.0.0.1> At 08:43 AM 8/2/2003, Glenn Sieb wrote: >Mailman-owner at host.whitworks.com said: > > You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has > > been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are > > being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at > > Mailman-owner at host.whitworks.com. > >Errr?? Who's "whitworks.com" and why are they doing a terrible job of >masquerading as the owner of this list? I'm just guessing here, but I suspect someone was using the address of mailman at whitworks.com for subscription to this list (just as I use mailman at vo.cnchost.com for my subscription) and then they installed Mailman at whitworks.com. In doing the installation they created the umbrella list "mailman", without thinking about their subscription to this list using that same username/domain. Oops! So now their mailman-users list subscription email goes to their umbrella list instead of to the individual who subscribed. I've set them to nomail for now. jc - volunteer mailman-users list admin From mail at schoeppi.net Sun Aug 3 12:35:06 2003 From: mail at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:35:06 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Charset conversion Message-ID: <20030803103506.GA2312@toshiba> Hello! I'm using mailman 2.1.2 that uses AFAIK email 2.5.1 for messageprocessing. However, I have a problem with some emails in mailmanlists :-(. If the listlanguage is set to German (iso-8859-1) and a message is posted with this characterset to a list, everything works fine. If the posters use another characterset I get multiparted messages..., messages with attachments. For example a poster uses 7bit us-ascii in its mailer, in my lists appears a message with tow parts: The text from the poster in us-ascii and the listsignature in iso-8859-1. Such a meeeage looks like this: ----- >From lh2-bounces at test.dom Sat Aug 2 15:49:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Original-To: test at toshiba.schoeppi Delivered-To: test at toshiba.schoeppi Received: from toshiba.schoeppi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by toshiba.schoeppi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621DC1047B; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:48:58 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-To: lh2 at test.dom Delivered-To: lh2 at test.dom Received: by toshiba.schoeppi (Postfix, from userid 503) id F247F109C0; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:48:56 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:48:56 +0200 From: Christian Schoepplein To: lh2 at test.dom Message-ID: <20030802134856.GE3587 at toshiba> Mime-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Subject: [Lh2] test X-BeenThere: lh2 at test.dom X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============64836026195830321==" Sender: lh2-bounces at test.dom Errors-To: lh2-bounces at test.dom [-- Anhang #1 --] [-- Typ: text/plain, Kodierung: 7bit, Gr??e: 0,1K --] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline messagetext [-- Anhang #2 --] [-- Typ: text/plain, Kodierung: quoted-printable, Gr??e: 0,1K --] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline -- listfooter ----- My idea was to convert messages, that are not written with charset iso-8859-1 into this characterset. Most users are using charset windows-1252 in their mailers or their operatingsystem... So a big help would allready be, if windows-1252 is converted into iso-8859-1. I tryed to set this up with the email-pakage by editing the file Carset.py, but I had no sugces :-(. Is it possible to do such a conversion with email and how do I have to set this up? Allthough I don't know if my idea is good and mailman will do things right after changing the configuration of email, I'd like to have a try... Have yo heard of this problems and do you konw a better solution? Thanks and best regards, Schoeppi -- Christian Schoepplein | Beste Rockband der Welt: http://www.lily-rockt.de mail at schoeppi.net | Linux fuer Blinde: http://www.blinux.suse.de From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Sun Aug 3 13:42:23 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 20:42:23 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Charset conversion In-Reply-To: <20030803103506.GA2312@toshiba> References: <20030803103506.GA2312@toshiba> Message-ID: <3F2CF51F.5070507@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, This patch should help. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=664209&group_id=103&atid=300103 Cheers, Tokio Christian Schoepplein wrote: > Hello! > > I'm using mailman 2.1.2 that uses AFAIK email 2.5.1 for messageprocessing. > However, I have a problem with some emails in mailmanlists :-(. > > If the listlanguage is set to German (iso-8859-1) and a message is posted > with this characterset to a list, everything works fine. If the posters > use another characterset I get multiparted messages..., messages with > attachments. For example a poster uses 7bit us-ascii in its mailer, in my > lists appears a message with tow parts: The text from the poster in > us-ascii and the listsignature in iso-8859-1. Such a meeeage looks like > this: > > ----- >>From lh2-bounces at test.dom Sat Aug 2 15:49:00 2003 > Return-Path: > X-Original-To: test at toshiba.schoeppi > Delivered-To: test at toshiba.schoeppi > Received: from toshiba.schoeppi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by toshiba.schoeppi (Postfix) with ESMTP > id 621DC1047B; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:48:58 +0200 (CEST) > X-Original-To: lh2 at test.dom > Delivered-To: lh2 at test.dom > Received: by toshiba.schoeppi (Postfix, from userid 503) > id F247F109C0; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:48:56 +0200 (CEST) > Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:48:56 +0200 > From: Christian Schoepplein > To: lh2 at test.dom > Message-ID: <20030802134856.GE3587 at toshiba> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i > Subject: [Lh2] test > X-BeenThere: lh2 at test.dom > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 > Precedence: list > Reply-To: > List-Id: > List-Unsubscribe: , > > List-Post: > List-Help: > List-Subscribe: , > > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============64836026195830321==" > Sender: lh2-bounces at test.dom > Errors-To: lh2-bounces at test.dom > > [-- Anhang #1 --] > [-- Typ: text/plain, Kodierung: 7bit, Gr??e: 0,1K --] > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > > messagetext > > > [-- Anhang #2 --] > [-- Typ: text/plain, Kodierung: quoted-printable, Gr??e: 0,1K --] > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Disposition: inline > > -- > listfooter > > ----- > From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sun Aug 3 17:13:39 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 16:13:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade install - "Could not import paths!" In-Reply-To: <20030802161309.28916@smtp.ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <0F8FE586-C5C5-11D7-A955-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Saturday, August 2, 2003, at 05:13 pm, david.gordon wrote: > I had MM 2.0.x, upgrading to MM 2.1.2 by installing over - not moving > lists about. I used --prefix=/home/mailman. I can see a couple of > errors > reported and when I do a bin/check_perms i get.. > ==== > [admin at xyz mailman-2.1.2]$ cd /home/mailman > [admin at xyz mailman]$ bin/check_perms > Could not import paths! > > This probably means that you are trying to run check_perms from the > source > directory. You must run this from the installation directory instead. > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "bin/check_perms", line 38, in ? > import paths > File "bin/paths.py", line 59, in ? > import korean > ImportError: No module named korean > ==== > As I understand I need to be in $prefix to run check_perms and that's / > home/mailman so the warning is either wrong or something else... ;-) > > Cron daemon is also sending the following every five minutes > >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 38, in ? >> import paths >> File "/home/mailman/cron/paths.py", line 59, in ? >> import korean >> ImportError: No module named korean > > Same/different trouble? > You should have two files in you Mailman runtime installation: $prefix/pythonlib/korean $prefix/pythonlib/korean.pth and I would also expect the following files in your Mailman build directory after having run ./configure and make install: $build/misc/KoreanCodecs-2.0.5/korean $build/misc/KoreanCodecs-2.0.5/build/lib.linux-i686-2.2/korean If these files are not present then you should consider re-running ./configure and make and looking for any errors in the output. If the files are present then something may be wrong in the paths module. There are multiple copies of this file (all the same) under Mailman's $prefix directory: ./bin/paths.py ./scripts/paths.py ./cron/paths.py ./tests/paths.py If everything is installed OK then you should be able to do the following from the command line in the $prefix/bin directory: mailman at mailman2:/mailman/run/bin> python Python 2.2.2 (#3, Feb 11 2003, 16:57:53) [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (SuSE)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import sys >>> sys.path ['', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/plat-linux2', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-tk', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/site-packages'] >>> import paths >>> sys.path ['/mailman/run/pythonlib', '/mailman/run', '', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/plat-linux2', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-tk', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/site-packages', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/site-packages'] >>> dir(paths) ['__builtins__', '__doc__', '__file__', '__name__', 'exec_prefix', 'japanese', 'korean', 'os', 'prefix', 'sitedir', 'sys'] >>> paths.korean >>> import korean >>> sys.exit() mailman at mailman2:/mailman/run/bin> If you still have problems, what version of which OS are you running and which version of Python. And what happens when you try the above stuff from the command line. > Thanks for help! > -- > david.gordon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk Sun Aug 3 17:14:15 2003 From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 16:14:15 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade install - "Could not import paths!" In-Reply-To: <20030802161309.28916@smtp.ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <25545978-C5C5-11D7-A955-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> On Saturday, August 2, 2003, at 05:13 pm, david.gordon wrote: > I had MM 2.0.x, upgrading to MM 2.1.2 by installing over - not moving > lists about. I used --prefix=/home/mailman. I can see a couple of > errors > reported and when I do a bin/check_perms i get.. > ==== > [admin at xyz mailman-2.1.2]$ cd /home/mailman > [admin at xyz mailman]$ bin/check_perms > Could not import paths! > > This probably means that you are trying to run check_perms from the > source > directory. You must run this from the installation directory instead. > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "bin/check_perms", line 38, in ? > import paths > File "bin/paths.py", line 59, in ? > import korean > ImportError: No module named korean > ==== > As I understand I need to be in $prefix to run check_perms and that's / > home/mailman so the warning is either wrong or something else... ;-) > > Cron daemon is also sending the following every five minutes > >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 38, in ? >> import paths >> File "/home/mailman/cron/paths.py", line 59, in ? >> import korean >> ImportError: No module named korean > > Same/different trouble? > You should have two files in you Mailman runtime installation: $prefix/pythonlib/korean $prefix/pythonlib/korean.pth and I would also expect the following files in your Mailman build directory after having run ./configure and make install: $build/misc/KoreanCodecs-2.0.5/korean $build/misc/KoreanCodecs-2.0.5/build/lib.linux-i686-2.2/korean If these files are not present then you should consider re-running ./configure and make and looking for any errors in the output. If the files are present then something may be wrong in the paths module. There are multiple copies of this file (all the same) under Mailman's $prefix directory: ./bin/paths.py ./scripts/paths.py ./cron/paths.py ./tests/paths.py If everything is installed OK then you should be able to do the following from the command line in the $prefix/bin directory: mailman at mailman2:/mailman/run/bin> python Python 2.2.2 (#3, Feb 11 2003, 16:57:53) [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (SuSE)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import sys >>> sys.path ['', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/plat-linux2', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-tk', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/site-packages'] >>> import paths >>> sys.path ['/mailman/run/pythonlib', '/mailman/run', '', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/plat-linux2', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-tk', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/site-packages', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/site-packages'] >>> dir(paths) ['__builtins__', '__doc__', '__file__', '__name__', 'exec_prefix', 'japanese', 'korean', 'os', 'prefix', 'sitedir', 'sys'] >>> paths.korean >>> import korean >>> sys.exit() mailman at mailman2:/mailman/run/bin> If you still have problems, what version of which OS are you running and which version of Python. And what happens when you try the above stuff from the command line. > Thanks for help! > -- > david.gordon From chris at christinedelarosa.com Sun Aug 3 17:23:36 2003 From: chris at christinedelarosa.com (Christine De La Rosa) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 10:23:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of reasons for bounce responses In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.10.0.20030802072948.049cf008@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <002101c359d3$357a39c0$0801a8c0@cdelarosa> Thanks for the response JC. I am checkig with exim and cpanel, to see if they can at least point me in the right direction. I checked my smtp-failure log in the mailman directory and are seeing hundreds of these. Aug 03 08:01:14 2003 (30019) delivery to non_debutante at xxx.com failed with code 550: cannot route to sender address Aug 03 08:01:14 2003 (30019) delivery to queinelaiste at xxx.com failed with code 550: cannot route to sender address Aug 03 08:01:14 2003 (30019) delivery to wrangla at xxx.com failed with code 550: cannot route to sender address Aug 03 08:01:14 2003 (30019) delivery to fsteinnerd at xxx.com failed with code 550: cannot route to sender address Aug 03 08:03:22 2003 (30019) delivery to wolf at xxx.com failed with code 550: cannot route to sender address Is this attached to the bounce backs I am getting which usually say 550 REQUESTED ACTION DNS Failure Thanks for any help in advance -----Original Message----- From: JC Dill [mailto:mailman at vo.cnchost.com] Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 9:32 AM To: Christine De La Rosa; 'Richard Barrett' Cc: 'Mailman' Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of reasons for bounce responses At 09:30 PM 7/31/2003, Christine De La Rosa wrote: >Hi Richard, > >Here is what I know so far, mail for most list members seem to be going >through for the most part. About two weeks ago MM mass unscribed about >300 folx. Now we seem to have stablized the members but the owners of >the lists are getting routinely bounced. Yahoo email address do not >have a problem, aol is a major headache as is hotmail. This is a big clue that the MTA is improperly configured and is trying to deliver to the AOL and Hotmail servers messages for more recipients than those systems allow - triggering anti-spam filtering on the recipient MTA at AOL and Hotmail. The messages are then bounced. My guess is that they changed the MTA at around the same time they upgraded Mailman, and you are barking up the wrong tree to try to find the source of the problem. jc From sarma at gwup.com Sun Aug 3 18:47:37 2003 From: sarma at gwup.com (Amardeo Sarma) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 18:47:37 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customising Languages per Virtual Host Message-ID: <147837937.1059936457@[192.168.168.100]> Maybe someone knows the solution to this one: I would like to customise different virtual hosts to use different languages when showing the lists available for the virtual host, e.g.: https://lists.engdom.org/mailman/listinfo to show the general text in English, and https://lists.gerdom.org/mailman/ to show the general text in German. Customising each individual list is no problem, nor is the default language. But how does one customise the language of the welcome texts that show the lists available for the virtual host? Amardeo. -- Amardeo Sarma sarma at gwup.com From mark at bigdaddyo.com Mon Aug 4 08:38:40 2003 From: mark at bigdaddyo.com (Mark Champion) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 23:38:40 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No documentation for ver 2.1-8? Message-ID: <009a01c35a53$0baa4740$6601a8c0@nifty> I just installed RH9.0 with mailman v 2.1-8. I was surprised to see there is zero documentation. rpm -qdf /var/mailman/bin/newlist returns nothing! I have v 2.0.13 on my RH7.2 system which has a complete directory of documentation in /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.13, but there is nothing similar for v 2.1-8. And, I'm having lots of trouble setting it up. I think I have it setup and working, but no messages get sent out - not even to the mail-list administrator. Can somebody point me to any documentation? Mark From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Mon Aug 4 09:17:03 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 03:17:03 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No documentation for ver 2.1-8? In-Reply-To: <009a01c35a53$0baa4740$6601a8c0@nifty> References: <009a01c35a53$0baa4740$6601a8c0@nifty> Message-ID: <20030804071703.GM2165@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mark Champion wrote: > I just installed RH9.0 with mailman v 2.1-8. I was surprised to see there > is zero documentation. rpm -qdf /var/mailman/bin/newlist returns nothing! What? You read documentation? Silly rabbit. ;-) > I have v 2.0.13 on my RH7.2 system which has a complete directory of > documentation in /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.13, but there is nothing > similar for v 2.1-8. > > And, I'm having lots of trouble setting it up. I think I have it setup > and working, but no messages get sent out - not even to the mail-list > administrator. Can somebody point me to any documentation? It's been mentioned here a lot since RH 9 came out, but that package was put together by monkey's on some new form of crack. Search the archives for bugzilla. There's a few links to redhat's bug tracking for these issues and a few simple fixes to get mailman started on your system. If you want to use an RPM, you might want to check out what they have in rawhide. It's supposed to fix the documentation issue and other (more critical) problems with the shipped version. Why they haven't released an errata to fix this is beyond me. Mailman, as shipped with Red Hat 9 is unusable for most people. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Human war has been the most successful of all our cultural traditions. -- Robert Ardrey -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3rc2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/Lghuuv+09NZUB1oRAmEeAKDWj8URFWRvW3iEm92+yfYyNd3yjwCgskmD JqAK2xS1XYbUTx6gZXtK3a4= =PWLt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rampras at hotmail.com Mon Aug 4 09:19:53 2003 From: rampras at hotmail.com (Ram Prasad) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 07:19:53 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachements saved as bin Message-ID: Hi all My attachements (Msword) to my list are getting saved with .bin extension. I would like to have them saved with the original extensions. How do I do it ..? Thanks - Ram _________________________________________________________________ Go down memory lane. Revisit the cool times. http://www.batchmates.com/msn.asp Reconnect with old friends! From bmatt at mac.com Mon Aug 4 09:50:22 2003 From: bmatt at mac.com (Bruno Mattarollo) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:50:22 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No documentation for ver 2.1-8? In-Reply-To: <20030804071703.GM2165@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <4D2115AA-C650-11D7-99C7-000393B63DA2@mac.com> Hello, On Monday, Aug 4, 2003, at 09:17 Europe/Amsterdam, Todd wrote: > It's been mentioned here a lot since RH 9 came out, but that package > was put > together by monkey's on some new form of crack. Search the archives > for > bugzilla. There's a few links to redhat's bug tracking for these > issues and > a few simple fixes to get mailman started on your system. :-) > If you want to use an RPM, you might want to check out what they have > in > rawhide. It's supposed to fix the documentation issue and other (more > critical) problems with the shipped version. Why they haven't > released an > errata to fix this is beyond me. Mailman, as shipped with Red Hat 9 is > unusable for most people. Just to make sure, I have quite a lot of lists running of a RH9 + Mailman 2.1-8 RPM version, getting the RPM mailman-2.1.2-2 from rpmfind.net (Rawhide 1.0) and doing "rpm -Uvh mailman*rpm" should work, right? Thank you in advance for your help, /B -- Bruno Mattarollo Systems Administrator & Greenpeace Planet Project Technical Lead [ http://www.greenpeace.org/ ] From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Mon Aug 4 10:00:02 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 04:00:02 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No documentation for ver 2.1-8? In-Reply-To: <4D2115AA-C650-11D7-99C7-000393B63DA2@mac.com> References: <20030804071703.GM2165@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <4D2115AA-C650-11D7-99C7-000393B63DA2@mac.com> Message-ID: <20030804080002.GP2165@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bruno Mattarollo wrote: > Just to make sure, I have quite a lot of lists running of a RH9 + Mailman > 2.1-8 RPM version, getting the RPM mailman-2.1.2-2 from rpmfind.net > (Rawhide 1.0) and doing "rpm -Uvh mailman*rpm" should work, right? I can't say for sure since I've never done it. If you try, make a backup of the mailman directory first. And if you find that the upgrade doesn't work, you might try rebuilding the rpm (something like rpmbuild --rebuild mailman--.src.rpm). Perhaps someone else on the list can tell you from more direct experience if this works or not. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators. -- P.J. O'Rourke, Parliament of Whores -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3rc2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/LhKCuv+09NZUB1oRAnkhAJ9duOB1phLDGkFdwJ9uM+1ITEgjtQCghSnj W8mF44uAXd2LAUAPAlssGZ4= =+ejF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From denlistes at altern.org Mon Aug 4 11:39:08 2003 From: denlistes at altern.org (Denis --) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 09:39:08 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Input/output error Message-ID: <1059989825.662.88.camel@collectifs> Hi, I have a strange error whith one liste. I don't have any config.pck. What can i do ? Thanks Denis Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 66, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 101, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 573, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 535, in __load mtime = os.path.getmtime(dbfile) File "/usr/lib/python2.1/posixpath.py", line 144, in getmtime st = os.stat(filename) OSError: [Errno 5] Input/output error: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/novazine/config.pck' -- Denis -- From bmatt at mac.com Mon Aug 4 12:56:05 2003 From: bmatt at mac.com (Bruno Mattarollo) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:56:05 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No documentation for ver 2.1-8? In-Reply-To: <20030804080002.GP2165@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <3EE973B9-C66A-11D7-99C7-000393B63DA2@mac.com> On Monday, Aug 4, 2003, at 10:00 Europe/Amsterdam, Todd wrote: > I can't say for sure since I've never done it. If you try, make a > backup of > the mailman directory first. And if you find that the upgrade doesn't > work, > you might try rebuilding the rpm (something like rpmbuild --rebuild > mailman--.src.rpm). > > Perhaps someone else on the list can tell you from more direct > experience if > this works or not. Well, I did it :) and it worked nicely. Got the rpm from RawHide 1.0 and did: rpm -Uvh mailman*rpm and then did some checks (like check_db -a) and everything seems to be in order ... Cheers /B -- Bruno Mattarollo Systems Administrator & Greenpeace Planet Project Technical Lead [ http://www.greenpeace.org/ ] From box99 at ntlworld.com Mon Aug 4 13:08:01 2003 From: box99 at ntlworld.com (david.gordon) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:08:01 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade install - "Could not import paths!" In-Reply-To: <25545978-C5C5-11D7-A955-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> References: <25545978-C5C5-11D7-A955-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030804110801.5194@smtp.ntlworld.com> Richard Barrett wrote on Sun 3 Aug 2003 at 16:14 +0100 >You should have two files in you Mailman runtime installation: > >$prefix/pythonlib/korean >$prefix/pythonlib/korean.pth Apologies, I don't do this often enough to know what I (er, or you) am on about. Where exactly these files are eludes me. I'm willing to admit my ignorance if people here are willing to help me learn! ;-) >and I would also expect the following files in your Mailman build >directory after having run ./configure and make install: The "build directory" being... Anyway, no matter. I've reinstalled and somehow solved the problem. I think I used --with-mail-gid=admin & --with-cgi-gid=admin (plus -- prefix=/home/mailman) However.... I now have an "Internal Server Error" when trying to get to the admin pages via the web. I remember reading about this when I first installed Mailman. I know its a cgi permissions problem but I cant remember how to fix it. I've read the docs. I've tried reinstalling using --with-cgi-gid=web as that's what my httpd.conf says. Didn't work though. My httpd error_log says >[Mon Aug 4 11:52:01 2003] [error] [client x.x.x.x] Premature end of >script headers: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/private My VirtualHost for this domain is set up and was working with Mailman 2.0.x. Thanks again. -- david.gordon From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Aug 4 14:30:58 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 12:30:58 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Input/output error In-Reply-To: <1059989825.662.88.camel@collectifs> References: <1059989825.662.88.camel@collectifs> Message-ID: <1060000250.2623.10.camel@Anncons4> On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 05:38, Denis -- wrote: > Hi, > > I have a strange error whith one liste. > > I don't have any config.pck. > > What can i do ? > > Thanks > Denis If you have a config.pck.last you can copy that: cp config.pck.last config.pck And see if that works. You'll loose whatever your last changes were. If you don't have that file, then... (and you are running Mailman version 2.1) then you will have to restore that list from backup. The config.pck file contains the list configuration, the users, and the configuration of each user. Basically it contains everything about the list but the archived emails. Good luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Aug 4 14:41:02 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 12:41:02 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No documentation for ver 2.1-8? In-Reply-To: <009a01c35a53$0baa4740$6601a8c0@nifty> References: <009a01c35a53$0baa4740$6601a8c0@nifty> Message-ID: <1060000857.2623.20.camel@Anncons4> On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 02:38, Mark Champion wrote: > I just installed RH9.0 with mailman v 2.1-8. I was surprised to see there is zero documentation. > rpm -qdf /var/mailman/bin/newlist returns nothing! > > I have v 2.0.13 on my RH7.2 system which has a complete directory of documentation in /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.13, but there is nothing similar for v 2.1-8. > > And, I'm having lots of trouble setting it up. I think I have it setup and working, but no messages get sent out - not even to the mail-list administrator. Can somebody point me to any documentation? > > Mark As has been mentioned, the guy who packaged this RPM must have been on a mental vacation... But if you want to get the RH9 version up and running, you need to do the following: Set up the mailman service to run: chkconfig --list mailman mailman 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off chkconfig --level 345 mailman on # this will turn the mailman daemon on automatically when # the server is booted. Put the following in your /var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file: MAILMAN_USER = 'mailman' MAILMAN_GROUP = 'mailman' Also you will need to put in your hosts real domain name: #DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'porky.devel.redhat.com' #DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'porky.devel.redhat.com' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'list.anncons.org' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'list.anncons.org' DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/' Run /var/mailman/bin/check_perms -f Startup the service: service mailman start Good luck - Jon Carnes From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon Aug 4 15:37:04 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:37:04 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade install - "Could not import paths!" In-Reply-To: <20030804110801.5194@smtp.ntlworld.com> Message-ID: On Monday, August 4, 2003, at 12:08 pm, david.gordon wrote: > Richard Barrett wrote on Sun 3 Aug 2003 at 16:14 +0100 > >> You should have two files in you Mailman runtime installation: >> >> $prefix/pythonlib/korean >> $prefix/pythonlib/korean.pth > > Apologies, I don't do this often enough to know what I (er, or you) am > on > about. $prefix means the path of the directory in which you installed Mailman into, default /usr/local/mailman, unless you changed it by adding the --prefix= option when you ran .configure. That is why the documentation files such as Mailman's INSTALL also use this way of referring to the site specific installation directory Similarly, by $build I mean the path of the directory in which you ran ./configure and make install to install Mailman. I am suggesting you check for the presence of certain files related to the problem you report in the Mailman build and installation directory. > Where exactly these files are eludes me. I'm willing to admit my > ignorance if people here are willing to help me learn! ;-) > >> and I would also expect the following files in your Mailman build >> directory after having run ./configure and make install: > > The "build directory" being... > > Anyway, no matter. I've reinstalled and somehow solved the problem. I > think I used --with-mail-gid=admin & --with-cgi-gid=admin (plus -- > prefix=/home/mailman) > > However.... I now have an "Internal Server Error" when trying to get to > the admin pages via the web. I remember reading about this when I first > installed Mailman. I know its a cgi permissions problem but I cant > remember how to fix it. I've read the docs. I've tried reinstalling > using > --with-cgi-gid=web as that's what my httpd.conf says. Didn't work > though. > My httpd error_log says > >> [Mon Aug 4 11:52:01 2003] [error] [client x.x.x.x] Premature end of >> script headers: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/private > I think that every (although I am open to correction) Mailman script that is run will execute and 'import paths' statement which in turn will execute an 'import korean'. The problem with these import statemeets is what you reported in your original post and which I was trying to help you diagnose. Unless you previously reported problem has been fully corrected then this may be the latest manifestation of a failing import statement. Dose anything show in the Mailman's error log $prefix/logs/error? > My VirtualHost for this domain is set up and was working with Mailman > 2.0.x. > Yes but you have now upgraded you installation to MM 2.1.2 and it appears that something went wrong when you originally dir so; which is why you were getting these. Once these new problems are corrected then you virtual hosts should probably work OK. I refer you back to the exercise, from my previous response, in running Python from the command line and typing in some statement to see if they work as a way of trying to confirm/diagnose the precise nature of your installation's problem. > Thanks again. > > -- > david.gordon > > From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Mon Aug 4 16:14:00 2003 From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 14:14:00 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Making an RPM Message-ID: <1060006355.1610.6.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> I just wanted to find out if this is possible? I want to download the latest source code for mailman, compile it, and then turn it into an RPM, so that I can install and remove it when neccessary. How would I go about doing this? From dobber at bastun.net Mon Aug 4 16:15:18 2003 From: dobber at bastun.net (Ivan Dimitrov) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 14:15:18 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] new install question In-Reply-To: <1059662994.10137.82.camel@dobber.bastun.net> References: <1059662994.10137.82.camel@dobber.bastun.net> Message-ID: <1060006456.10140.97.camel@dobber.bastun.net> when invoked from the web, here is what it says: Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 68, in run_main immediate=1) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 52, in __init__ Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 49, in __init__ self.__get_f() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 67, in __get_f 1) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/codecs.py", line 496, in open file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error' ________________________________________________________________________ Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.3+ (#1, Jul 5 2003, 11:04:18) [GCC 3.3.1 20030626 (Debian prerelease)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 ________________________________________________________________________ Environment variables: Variable Value HTTP_COOKIE PHPSESSID=7b0915c23af98db47fce4e4cbc0c3bcb SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) Debian GNU/Linux PHP/4.3.2 PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo SERVER_ADMIN webmaster at phtest1 SCRIPT_NAME /cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.27 Server at 127.0.0.1 Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD GET HTTP_HOST phtest1.bastun.net HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 300 SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING REQUEST_URI /cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo HTTP_ACCEPT text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET windows-1251,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030714 Debian/1.4-2 HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive SERVER_NAME 127.0.0.1 REMOTE_ADDR 213.222.51.199 REMOTE_PORT 37840 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE bg SERVER_ADDR 213.222.51.208 SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip,deflate UNIQUE_ID Py6UF38AAAEAAHYKAZE DOCUMENT_ROOT /var/www hope this helps identify the problem also it is the same error for all mailman scripts I think it's a system problem, but don't know what On ?, 2003-07-31 at 17:49, Ivan Dimitrov wrote: > Hi list > I've been trying to install mailman-2.1.2 following the INSTALL file and > at configuring the list I've created here is the message I got: > > [root at phtest1.bastun.net]:/usr/local/mailman# bin/config_list -i > data/sitelist.cfg mailman > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "bin/config_list", line 339, in ? > main() > File "bin/config_list", line 334, in main > do_input(listname, infile, checkonly, verbose) > File "bin/config_list", line 240, in do_input > mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=not checkonly) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 122, in __init__ > self.Lock() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 159, in Lock > self.Load() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 613, in Load > self.CheckValues() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 644, in > CheckValues > if '' in urlparse(self.web_page_url)[:2]: > File "/usr/lib/python2.2/urlparse.py", line 53, in urlparse > tuple = urlsplit(url, scheme, allow_fragments) > File "/usr/lib/python2.2/urlparse.py", line 83, in urlsplit > i = url.find(':') > AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'find' > > > Can You please help me fix the problem. > Thanks in advance -- Hi! I'm your friendly neighbourhood signature virus. Copy me to your signature file and help me spread! From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Mon Aug 4 16:33:39 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:33:39 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] new install question In-Reply-To: <1060006456.10140.97.camel@dobber.bastun.net> References: <1059662994.10137.82.camel@dobber.bastun.net> <1060006456.10140.97.camel@dobber.bastun.net> Message-ID: <20030804143339.GQ2165@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ivan Dimitrov wrote: > when invoked from the web, here is what it says: > > Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2 > We're sorry, we hit a bug! > If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy > of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what > happened. Thanks! > > > Traceback: > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 68, in run_main > immediate=1) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 52, in __init__ > Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 49, in __init__ > self.__get_f() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 67, in __get_f > 1) > File "/usr/lib/python2.2/codecs.py", line 496, in open > file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering) > IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error' What's bin/check_perms say? - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ If the triangles were to make a God they would give him three sides. -- Montesquieu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3rc2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/Lm7Duv+09NZUB1oRAvdtAKDyi0BiQqyfwRzn2aWwz0omdSZMWwCg8UYq tZy0dpEcfmHlr04QeTd+YXc= =2a8m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From box99 at ntlworld.com Mon Aug 4 16:39:51 2003 From: box99 at ntlworld.com (david.gordon) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:39:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade install - "Could not import paths!" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030804143951.11330@smtp.ntlworld.com> Richard Barrett wrote on Mon 4 Aug 2003 at 14:37 +0100 >$prefix means the path of the directory in which you installed Mailman Yes! I did install --prefix=/home/mailman BTW >Unless you previously reported problem has been fully corrected then >this may be the latest manifestation of a failing import statement. I can now see the files you referred to drwxrwsr-x 5 mailman mailman 4096 Aug 3 18:57 korean -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 22 Aug 3 20:26 korean.pth and I think that problem has gone away. I'm certainly not getting mail alerts from Mailer Daemon every five minutes now. >Dose anything show in the Mailman's error log $prefix/logs/error? Aug 03 18:57:45 2003 (4522) couldn't load config file /home/mailman/ lists/test/config.pck.last [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/lists/test/ config.pck.last' Aug 03 18:57:45 2003 (4522) couldn't load config file /home/mailman/ lists/test/config.pck [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/lists/test/config.pck' Aug 03 18:57:45 2003 (4522) couldn't load config file /home/mailman/ lists/test/config.pck.last [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/lists/test/ config.pck.last' Aug 03 18:57:46 2003 (4522) couldn't load config file /home/mailman/ lists/test/config.pck [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/lists/test/config.pck' Aug 03 18:57:46 2003 (4522) couldn't load config file /home/mailman/ lists/test/config.pck.last [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/lists/test/ config.pck.last' >If everything is installed OK then you should be able to do the >following from the command line in the $prefix/bin directory: Here's the result - but as I say I think this problem is already fixed [admin at dg3 bin]$ python Python 2.2.2 (#1, May 28 2003, 11:39:00) [GCC 3.2.2 20030217 (Red Hat Linux 8.0 3.2.2-2)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import sys >>> sys.path ['', '/usr/lib/python2.2', '/usr/lib/python2.2/plat-linux2', '/usr/lib/ python2.2/lib-tk', '/usr/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload', '/usr/lib/python2.2/ site-packages'] >>> import paths >>> sys.path ['/home/mailman/pythonlib', '/home/mailman', '', '/usr/lib/python2.2', '/ usr/lib/python2.2/plat-linux2', '/usr/lib/python2.2/lib-tk', '/usr/lib/ python2.2/lib-dynload', '/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages', '/usr/lib/ python2.2/site-packages'] >>> dir(paths) ['__builtins__', '__doc__', '__file__', '__name__', 'exec_prefix', 'japanese', 'korean', 'os', 'prefix', 'sitedir', 'sys'] >>> paths.korean >>> import korean >>> sys.exit() [admin at dg3 bin]$ From what I have read of the docs its my path to perl thats causing the Internal Server Error when I try to access the admin page by web. My httpd error_log says [Mon Aug 4 11:52:01 2003] [error] [client x.x.x.x] Premature end of script headers: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/private -- david.gordon From guallar at easternrad.com Mon Aug 4 16:54:41 2003 From: guallar at easternrad.com (Josep L. Guallar-Esteve) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:54:41 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Making an RPM In-Reply-To: <1060006355.1610.6.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> References: <1060006355.1610.6.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> Message-ID: <200308041054.41124.guallar@easternrad.com> On Monday 04 August 2003 10:12 am, Angel Gabriel wrote: > I just wanted to find out if this is possible? I want to download the > latest source code for mailman, compile it, and then turn it into an > RPM, so that I can install and remove it when neccessary. How would I go > about doing this? You can easily build an rpm (or deb) from the source code using Checkinstall. Checkinstall comes already included with many distributions. Checkinstall website and documentation is found here: http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ A small HOWTO in Spanish about Checkinstall is here: http://libertonia.escomposlinux.org/story/2002/10/25/53113/319 Regards, Josep -- Josep L. Guallar-Esteve Eastern Radiologists, Inc. Systems and Network Administration http://www.easternrad.com From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Mon Aug 4 16:56:41 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:56:41 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Making an RPM In-Reply-To: <1060006355.1610.6.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> References: <1060006355.1610.6.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> Message-ID: <20030804145641.GR2165@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Angel Gabriel wrote: > I just wanted to find out if this is possible? Possible, sure. Worthwhile, maybe. Depends on how many systems you have to push out mailman installs to and how much you like using rpm to manage your files. > I want to download the latest source code for mailman, compile it, and > then turn it into an RPM, so that I can install and remove it when > neccessary. How would I go about doing this? Have you ever built rpm's before? If not, check some of the the docs on rpm.org[1] for a starting point. The other thing that's useful is checking out someone else's source rpm to get an idea of what they had to do to get things installed properly. There is a redhat rpm in rawhide for 2.1.2 that might get you started. I haven't looked at it though, so I don't know what it's like. I've created rpms for my own systems since back in the 2.0.something days, mainly so that I could get things working with postfix better out of the box and so I could apply a few minor cosmetic tweaks to the code. I don't think it'll be very useful, but I did put the spec file and other source files on the web a while back for someone else's reference. Feel free to take a peek at that, but don't complain to me if they don't work (though if you let me know of a problem in them I'll fix it if it affects my systems). http://pobox.com/~tmz/RPMS/ IMO, Mailman is one of those packages that's harder to make an rpm of than it is to just install from source, so weigh carefully your need/desire to have an rpm. I mostly started building the one's I've built just for the hell of it. I really had no pressing need for them, though it does save me a little time futzing with config files after the install. YMMV. [1] http://rpm.org/howto/ One thing that's worth noting, in case it's not covered prominently in any of the HOWTO's: don't build your rpm's as root! You're asking for trouble if you do, since part of the build process does a make install and if you're root, you can easily overwrite your working install with a test build if you're not careful. It's much better to use a regular user account for building, even though that sometimes has issues with some packages. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Left to Her own devices, nature cures stupidity. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3rc2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/LnQpuv+09NZUB1oRAmmqAKDKywKAFuKip/MxQnrhG7QU2VFwQQCfV3bT VRvo+tibiYtO0BF+l6W0z9k= =bpuX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon Aug 4 16:55:45 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:55:45 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Making an RPM In-Reply-To: <1060006355.1610.6.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> Message-ID: On Monday, August 4, 2003, at 03:12 pm, Angel Gabriel wrote: > I just wanted to find out if this is possible? I want to download the > latest source code for mailman, compile it, and then turn it into an > RPM, so that I can install and remove it when neccessary. How would I > go > about doing this? Its feasible but you have a reasonably steep learning curve ahead of you building your own RPMs from scratch. A good starting point might be to install a Mailman source RPM from your distribution of choice and look at its .spec file. Then change that to meet your needs. If those statements make no sense to you then take a look at: http://www.redhat.com/docs/books/max-rpm/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From jhand at walkthru.org Mon Aug 4 17:17:10 2003 From: jhand at walkthru.org (Jason Hand) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:17:10 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on members list. Message-ID: Is there a way to retrieve a list of the e-mail addresses stored in a Mailman list? Thanks, Jason --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.506 / Virus Database: 303 - Release Date: 8/1/2003 From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk Mon Aug 4 17:19:28 2003 From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 16:19:28 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Making an RPM In-Reply-To: <1060006355.1610.6.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> References: <1060006355.1610.6.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> Message-ID: <1060010368.22784.24.camel@angua.localnet> On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 15:12, Angel Gabriel wrote: > I just wanted to find out if this is possible? I want to download the > latest source code for mailman, compile it, and then turn it into an > RPM, so that I can install and remove it when neccessary. How would I go > about doing this? Theoretically its easy to make an rpm of mailman. In practice its a package that is hard to package correctly. It is the *only* software set on my machines that is not built as an rpm, and several people have been badly burned on trying to upgrade rpm versions of mailman. If you do want to make a package then start by looking at the RH SRPM package and work from there. I believe their build is not quite right - at least the one that went out with the RH9 release isn't quite right so be careful. Avoid like the plague systems like checkinstall that purport to make binary packages from preinstalled systems. They are seriously dangerous. Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From mark at symonds.net Sat Aug 2 23:02:22 2003 From: mark at symonds.net (Mark Symonds) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 14:02:22 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Bug? Message-ID: <003601c35939$5e1aabc0$4801a8c0@mark> Hi, Trying to figure this one out. Twice now in the past month, a mailing list has died here. You cannot login to the administrative interface and posts go into into a logjam. >From the logs I see: [root at tx mailman]# tail error NotLockedError: Aug 02 16:38:52 2003 qrunner(28147): Traceback (innermost last): Aug 02 16:38:52 2003 qrunner(28147): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ? Aug 02 16:38:52 2003 qrunner(28147): kids = main(lock) Aug 02 16:38:52 2003 qrunner(28147): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 262, in main Aug 02 16:38:52 2003 qrunner(28147): dequeue(root) Aug 02 16:38:52 2003 qrunner(28147): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 184, in dequeue Aug 02 16:38:52 2003 qrunner(28147): os.unlink(root + '.db') Aug 02 16:38:52 2003 qrunner(28147): OSError : [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/spool/mailman/qfiles/bd017b27880b174879a46d4f624c8e2cce1a5399.db' [root at tx mailman]# and [root at tx mailman]# tail qrunner Aug 02 16:49:02 2003 (28748) Could not acquire qrunner lock Aug 02 16:50:03 2003 (28820) Could not acquire qrunner lock Aug 02 16:51:02 2003 (28830) Could not acquire qrunner lock Aug 02 16:52:02 2003 (28847) Could not acquire qrunner lock Aug 02 16:53:03 2003 (28905) Could not acquire qrunner lock Aug 02 16:54:02 2003 (28939) Could not acquire qrunner lock Aug 02 16:55:04 2003 (29006) Could not acquire qrunner lock Aug 02 16:56:03 2003 (29123) Could not acquire qrunner lock Aug 02 16:57:03 2003 (29138) Could not acquire qrunner lock Aug 02 16:58:02 2003 (29145) Could not acquire qrunner lock [root at tx mailman]# ...any ideas? I've been able to get around it by going into /var/spool/mailman/qfiles and deleting what's in there. This "resets" things, but it also results in a few posts getting lost. What would cause it to bail like this? Any other information you need, let me know and I'll post it. -- Mark From tgstoner at umich.edu Sun Aug 3 01:53:20 2003 From: tgstoner at umich.edu (Tom Stoner) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 19:53:20 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Misdirected Monthly Notification Bounces Message-ID: <00c501c35951$412877a0$4c19fea9@umich.edu> Hello, I am a list administrator on a Mailman 2.0.7 system, and not a system administrator. I've already referred this problem to our system administrators and they've attributed it to a worm or virus infection by one or more list members. I don't think so, and believe they just don't have any ideas about what's causing the problem and are blowing me off and hoping the problem will go away on its own. Here's what's happening: For the past three or four months, about half a dozen non-deliverable monthly subscription reminder messages come bouncing back to me. They're addressed to "-admin@.org. None of these people are members of my list however. They are however reportedly members of one or more other lists on this same system. A fact which may or may not be important is that when the available lists on the system are shown alphabetically, my list is first one. Just a few minutes ago I visited the archives for your users list here for the first time ever and scanned the archives for the past couple months. I didn't spot anything previously posted which I thought related to this problem however. As I said, I'm not a Mailman system administrator. So I'm not familiar with configuration settings other than those I can change for my own list. I don't know how those monthly reminder messages are configured or sent, nor do I presume to have the necessary access rights to get in and even just look at them. That said, are there any suggestions I might pass back to the system administrators about this? In advance, thank you very much. Tom Stoner Ann Arbor tgstoner at umich.edu From ak at dkp.com Sun Aug 3 14:20:10 2003 From: ak at dkp.com (Andrew Klaassen) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 08:20:10 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Set date in archive to time resent" gone? Message-ID: <20030803122010.GB30582@dkp.com> In 2.0, there was a 'Set date in archive to when the mail is claimed to have been sent, or to the time we resend it?' option. I can't find it anywhere in 2.1 (2.1.1, to be precise). Where did it go? Thanks. Andrew Klaassen From ram at imagine.co.in Mon Aug 4 08:27:11 2003 From: ram at imagine.co.in (Ram Prasad) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:57:11 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List and attachments Message-ID: <004401c35a51$71a893f0$1264a8c0@mmit.com> Hi I have a mailman list to which if I send a word doc, it gets stored at .bin in the archives. What do I need to make it store as a normal .doc file ? - Ram ------------------------------------------------------------ Ram Prasad Manager - Systems MM Imagine Technologies Pvt. Ltd. www.imagine.co.in Ph: +91-44-28334882/3/5 55191337/8 ------------------------------------------------------------ Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark; professionals built the Titanic. From dpatton at surreyresort.com Mon Aug 4 15:20:47 2003 From: dpatton at surreyresort.com (David Patton) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:20:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with unknown url being inserted into admin page Message-ID: <01C35A61.4F7E2320.dpatton@surreyresort.com> Greetings, In the course of setting up a mailman box, I have had little and or no problem in setting it up. But now that the time draws nie that it goes live, I have come across a disturbing problem. When I create new lists, they are now directed to http://cyberhq.internal.cyberhqz.com/mailman/admin/listname rather than to the local box (which is surreyresort.com) . I have no idea why and or where this could have come from and could use any suggestions. Up until today I have had no problems with this machine. Yesterday I did run an apt-get update and upgrade(I know I forgot to mention that this is a debian boxen) but nothing involving mailman was updated. Any suggestions? thanks David Patton MIS Dept Phone - 417-332-8253 Pager - 417-348-2077 dpatton at surreyresort.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.505 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/30/03 From dpatton at surreyresort.com Mon Aug 4 16:40:04 2003 From: dpatton at surreyresort.com (David Patton) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:40:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with unknown url being inserted into admin page - Part Duex Message-ID: <01C35A6C.62A73940.dpatton@surreyresort.com> Hello again! I was able to figure out the solution to my own problem, but wanted to pass the solution on. I found that the /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py contained the URL references that were redirecting my attempts to open the admin web pages for my lists to some where else. By going in and changing the URLs I was able to correct my own problem and complete my install in time. Again thank you for a great program like Mailman! David Patton -----Original Message----- From: David Patton Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 8:21 AM To: 'mailman-users at python.org' Subject: Help with unknown url being inserted into admin page Greetings, In the course of setting up a mailman box, I have had little and or no problem in setting it up. But now that the time draws nie that it goes live, I have come across a disturbing problem. When I create new lists, they are now directed to http://cyberhq.internal.cyberhqz.com/mailman/admin/listname rather than to the local box (which is surreyresort.com) . I have no idea why and or where this could have come from and could use any suggestions. Up until today I have had no problems with this machine. Yesterday I did run an apt-get update and upgrade(I know I forgot to mention that this is a debian boxen) but nothing involving mailman was updated. Any suggestions? thanks David Patton MIS Dept Phone - 417-332-8253 Pager - 417-348-2077 dpatton at surreyresort.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.505 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/30/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.505 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/30/03 From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Mon Aug 4 17:29:11 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:29:11 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on members list. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030804152911.GU2165@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jason Hand wrote: > Is there a way to retrieve a list of the e-mail addresses stored in a > Mailman list? Yes. You can do this via the web, from the bottom of the listinfo page (though it might be nice if this was also available from the admin section, especially for lists where only the list admin can view the membership list). You can also do this via email using the who command. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ All of human unhappiness comes from one single thing, which is not knowing how to remain quietly in one room. -- Pascal -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3rc2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/LnvHuv+09NZUB1oRAq+oAJwPKmmyBTJBmUuoFVR0Z49LMpEvUgCg5j+w Zc8Zi7dzSm/f4Bqg06whAS8= =o9b1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dobber at bastun.net Mon Aug 4 17:51:17 2003 From: dobber at bastun.net (Ivan Dimitrov) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 15:51:17 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] new install question In-Reply-To: <20030804143339.GQ2165@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <1059662994.10137.82.camel@dobber.bastun.net> <1060006456.10140.97.camel@dobber.bastun.net> <20030804143339.GQ2165@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <1060012215.10140.99.camel@dobber.bastun.net> # bin/check_perms No problems found # python -V Python 2.3 On ?, 2003-08-04 at 17:33, Todd wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ivan Dimitrov wrote: > > when invoked from the web, here is what it says: > > > > Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2 > > We're sorry, we hit a bug! > > If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy > > of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what > > happened. Thanks! > > > > > > Traceback: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 68, in run_main > > immediate=1) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 52, in __init__ > > Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 49, in __init__ > > self.__get_f() > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 67, in __get_f > > 1) > > File "/usr/lib/python2.2/codecs.py", line 496, in open > > file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering) > > IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error' > > What's bin/check_perms say? > > - -- > Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp > ============================================================================ > If the triangles were to make a God they would give him three sides. > -- Montesquieu > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3rc2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. > > iD8DBQE/Lm7Duv+09NZUB1oRAvdtAKDyi0BiQqyfwRzn2aWwz0omdSZMWwCg8UYq > tZy0dpEcfmHlr04QeTd+YXc= > =2a8m > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: dobber at bastun.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/dobber%40bastun.net -- Hi! I'm your friendly neighbourhood signature virus. Copy me to your signature file and help me spread! From denlistes at altern.org Mon Aug 4 17:56:04 2003 From: denlistes at altern.org (Denis --) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 15:56:04 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Input/output error In-Reply-To: <1060000250.2623.10.camel@Anncons4> References: <1059989825.662.88.camel@collectifs> <1060000250.2623.10.camel@Anncons4> Message-ID: <1060012553.649.6.camel@collectifs> Thanks for your help. I have doing that but i have also an Input/output error. .. Bye Denis Le lun 04/08/2003 ? 14:30, Jon Carnes a ?crit : > On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 05:38, Denis -- wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have a strange error whith one liste. > > > > I don't have any config.pck. > > > > What can i do ? > > > > Thanks > > Denis > > If you have a config.pck.last you can copy that: > cp config.pck.last config.pck > > And see if that works. You'll loose whatever your last changes were. > If you don't have that file, then... (and you are running Mailman > version 2.1) then you will have to restore that list from backup. > > The config.pck file contains the list configuration, the users, and the > configuration of each user. Basically it contains everything about the > list but the archived emails. > > Good luck - Jon Carnes -- Denis -- From WebHead at wi.rr.com Mon Aug 4 18:15:44 2003 From: WebHead at wi.rr.com (Arlen Walker) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:15:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List and attachments In-Reply-To: <004401c35a51$71a893f0$1264a8c0@mmit.com> Message-ID: On Monday, August 4, 2003, at 01:27 AM, Ram Prasad wrote: > I have a mailman list to which if I send a word doc, it gets stored at > .bin in the archives. What do I need to make it store as a normal .doc > file ? I've asked that question in a couple of different forms on this list, and the general lack of answers I've received (Tom Crummey has been the only responder) leads me to this conclusion: You can't, unless you use third-party archive software such as hypermail or MhonArc. There's a potential security risk in storing executable attachments without changing their names, so I can understand the desire not to preserve names of attachments, but if one is aware of the risks and plans other methods for handling them, the risk is minimal. Meanwhile, there are a lot of deranged email clients roaming the planet that even send *text* attachments as application/octet-stream, which the current pipermail archives oh-so-helpfully rename to .exe files, feeding all sorts of paranoid fantasies among list members. Even letting the the file name change like it does currently but keeping the extension intact would have been useful; the current system is nearly useless. Have fun, Arlen ----- In God We Trust, all others must supply data From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon Aug 4 18:36:13 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:36:13 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Misdirected Monthly Notification Bounces In-Reply-To: <00c501c35951$412877a0$4c19fea9@umich.edu> Message-ID: On Sunday, August 3, 2003, at 12:53 am, Tom Stoner wrote: > Hello, > > I am a list administrator on a Mailman 2.0.7 system, and not a system > administrator. I've already referred this problem to our system > administrators and they've attributed it to a worm or virus infection > by one > or more list members. I don't think so, and believe they just don't > have > any ideas about what's causing the problem and are blowing me off and > hoping > the problem will go away on its own. Here's what's happening: > > For the past three or four months, about half a dozen non-deliverable > monthly subscription reminder messages come bouncing back to me. > They're > addressed to "-admin@.org. None of these people are > members > of my list however. They are however reportedly members of one or more > other lists on this same system. A fact which may or may not be > important > is that when the available lists on the system are shown > alphabetically, my > list is first one. > One possible cause of receiving bounce notices for mail address that are apparently not members is rewriting of mail aliases by some system out there, where the rewritten email address is undeliverable. Typical problem is person A leaves the business and their mail alias is redirected to person B or Person A's mail is setup up so that their secretary gets a copy of their mail as Person B. Person B subsequently leaves the business and their mail alias is removed but redirection of mail to person A's alias is continued. Result is mail sent to the alias of person A is bounced because it is undeliverable to the alias of person B, in respect of whose alias the bounce notice is raised. These situations can be a real pain to track down but may not be the cause of your grief. But, at least I know this problem occurs while the hypothesized worm or virus causes I have not seen. One approach I have used, with MM 2.1.2, to track down elusive bounces is to temporarily enable personalization and VERP for a list with bounce problems, set a maximum bounce score < 1.0, ensure list is set to notify list owner when bounces cause unsubscribe, send a test message to the list, and see what the VERP'ed return addresses are on the bouce notifications of the users unsubscribed because of bounces. I do not know of a simple answer to tracking this sort of problem down with MM 2.0.7 > Just a few minutes ago I visited the archives for your users list here > for > the first time ever and scanned the archives for the past couple > months. I > didn't spot anything previously posted which I thought related to this > problem however. As I said, I'm not a Mailman system administrator. > So I'm > not familiar with configuration settings other than those I can change > for > my own list. I don't know how those monthly reminder messages are > configured or sent, nor do I presume to have the necessary access > rights to > get in and even just look at them. That said, are there any > suggestions I > might pass back to the system administrators about this? In advance, > thank > you very much. > > Tom Stoner > Ann Arbor > tgstoner at umich.edu From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Aug 4 19:47:24 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 17:47:24 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Misdirected Monthly Notification Bounces In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1060019240.2623.69.camel@Anncons4> > > > > One possible cause of receiving bounce notices for mail address that > are apparently not members is rewriting of mail aliases by some system > out there, where the rewritten email address is undeliverable. > > Typical problem is person A leaves the business and their mail alias is > redirected to person B or Person A's mail is setup up so that their > secretary gets a copy of their mail as Person B. Person B subsequently > leaves the business and their mail alias is removed but redirection of > mail to person A's alias is continued. Result is mail sent to the alias > of person A is bounced because it is undeliverable to the alias of > person B, in respect of whose alias the bounce notice is raised. > > These situations can be a real pain to track down but may not be the > cause of your grief. But, at least I know this problem occurs while the > hypothesized worm or virus causes I have not seen. > > One approach I have used, with MM 2.1.2, to track down elusive bounces > is to temporarily enable personalization and VERP for a list with > bounce problems, set a maximum bounce score < 1.0, ensure list is set > to notify list owner when bounces cause unsubscribe, send a test > message to the list, and see what the VERP'ed return addresses are on > the bouce notifications of the users unsubscribed because of bounces. > > I do not know of a simple answer to tracking this sort of problem down > with MM 2.0.7 > Richard, that sounds very much like it should be an FAQ for tracing down bouncing messages (in version 2.1)... Thanks - Jon Carnes From denlistes at altern.org Mon Aug 4 20:29:58 2003 From: denlistes at altern.org (Denis --) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 18:29:58 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Input/output error In-Reply-To: <1060012553.649.6.camel@collectifs> References: <1059989825.662.88.camel@collectifs> <1060000250.2623.10.camel@Anncons4> <1060012553.649.6.camel@collectifs> Message-ID: <1060021784.1079.1.camel@collectifs> Sorry, the correct thing is i am not able to copy it. When i do cp config.pck.last config.pck i have an error message who said "Error Input/Output" and the file is not copying. Bye Denis Le lun 04/08/2003 ? 17:55, Denis -- a ?crit : > Thanks for your help. > > I have doing that but i have also an Input/output error. > > .. > > Bye > Denis > > > > Le lun 04/08/2003 ? 14:30, Jon Carnes a ?crit : > > On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 05:38, Denis -- wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have a strange error whith one liste. > > > > > > I don't have any config.pck. > > > > > > What can i do ? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Denis > > > > If you have a config.pck.last you can copy that: > > cp config.pck.last config.pck > > > > And see if that works. You'll loose whatever your last changes were. > > If you don't have that file, then... (and you are running Mailman > > version 2.1) then you will have to restore that list from backup. > > > > The config.pck file contains the list configuration, the users, and the > > configuration of each user. Basically it contains everything about the > > list but the archived emails. > > > > Good luck - Jon Carnes -- Denis -- From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Aug 4 20:37:40 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 18:37:40 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Input/output error In-Reply-To: <1060021784.1079.1.camel@collectifs> References: <1059989825.662.88.camel@collectifs> <1060000250.2623.10.camel@Anncons4> <1060012553.649.6.camel@collectifs> <1060021784.1079.1.camel@collectifs> Message-ID: <1060022256.2623.97.camel@Anncons4> have you tried it as root (or user "mailman)? If that fails then it sounds like you have some system problems. What OS are you running? Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 14:29, Denis -- wrote: > Sorry, the correct thing is i am not able to copy it. > > When i do cp config.pck.last config.pck i have an error message who said > "Error Input/Output" and the file is not copying. > > Bye > Denis > > > Le lun 04/08/2003 ? 17:55, Denis -- a ?crit : > > Thanks for your help. > > > > I have doing that but i have also an Input/output error. > > > > .. > > > > Bye > > Denis > > > > > > > > Le lun 04/08/2003 ? 14:30, Jon Carnes a ?crit : > > > On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 05:38, Denis -- wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I have a strange error whith one liste. > > > > > > > > I don't have any config.pck. > > > > > > > > What can i do ? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Denis > > > > > > If you have a config.pck.last you can copy that: > > > cp config.pck.last config.pck > > > > > > And see if that works. You'll loose whatever your last changes were. > > > If you don't have that file, then... (and you are running Mailman > > > version 2.1) then you will have to restore that list from backup. > > > > > > The config.pck file contains the list configuration, the users, and the > > > configuration of each user. Basically it contains everything about the > > > list but the archived emails. > > > > > > Good luck - Jon Carnes From denlistes at altern.org Mon Aug 4 22:31:05 2003 From: denlistes at altern.org (Denis --) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 20:31:05 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Input/output error In-Reply-To: <1060022256.2623.97.camel@Anncons4> References: <1059989825.662.88.camel@collectifs> <1060000250.2623.10.camel@Anncons4> <1060012553.649.6.camel@collectifs> <1060021784.1079.1.camel@collectifs> <1060022256.2623.97.camel@Anncons4> Message-ID: <1060029037.1109.4.camel@collectifs> Le lun 04/08/2003 ? 20:37, Jon Carnes a ?crit : > have you tried it as root (or user "mailman)? > As root. > If that fails then it sounds like you have some system problems What kind of problems ? > What > OS are you running? I am on Debian. Thanks Denis > > Good Luck - Jon Carnes > > On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 14:29, Denis -- wrote: > > Sorry, the correct thing is i am not able to copy it. > > > > When i do cp config.pck.last config.pck i have an error message who said > > "Error Input/Output" and the file is not copying. > > > > Bye > > Denis > > > > > > Le lun 04/08/2003 ? 17:55, Denis -- a ?crit : > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > > > I have doing that but i have also an Input/output error. > > > > > > .. > > > > > > Bye > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > Le lun 04/08/2003 ? 14:30, Jon Carnes a ?crit : > > > > On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 05:38, Denis -- wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I have a strange error whith one liste. > > > > > > > > > > I don't have any config.pck. > > > > > > > > > > What can i do ? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > If you have a config.pck.last you can copy that: > > > > cp config.pck.last config.pck > > > > > > > > And see if that works. You'll loose whatever your last changes were. > > > > If you don't have that file, then... (and you are running Mailman > > > > version 2.1) then you will have to restore that list from backup. > > > > > > > > The config.pck file contains the list configuration, the users, and the > > > > configuration of each user. Basically it contains everything about the > > > > list but the archived emails. > > > > > > > > Good luck - Jon Carnes -- Denis -- From denlistes at altern.org Mon Aug 4 22:49:59 2003 From: denlistes at altern.org (Denis --) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 20:49:59 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Input/output error In-Reply-To: <1060022256.2623.97.camel@Anncons4> References: <1059989825.662.88.camel@collectifs> <1060000250.2623.10.camel@Anncons4> <1060012553.649.6.camel@collectifs> <1060021784.1079.1.camel@collectifs> <1060022256.2623.97.camel@Anncons4> Message-ID: <1060030183.1111.9.camel@collectifs> Hi, Then, i have tested this: - cp /var/lib/mailman/lists/novazine to /var/lib/mailman/lists/novazineback - ln /var/lib/mailman/lists/novazineback novazine But i have this error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 66, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 101, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 573, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 546, in __load dict = loadfunc(fp) UnpicklingError: invalid load key, 'k'. Thanks Denis Le lun 04/08/2003 ? 20:37, Jon Carnes a ?crit : > have you tried it as root (or user "mailman)? > > If that fails then it sounds like you have some system problems. What > OS are you running? > > Good Luck - Jon Carnes > > On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 14:29, Denis -- wrote: > > Sorry, the correct thing is i am not able to copy it. > > > > When i do cp config.pck.last config.pck i have an error message who said > > "Error Input/Output" and the file is not copying. > > > > Bye > > Denis > > > > > > Le lun 04/08/2003 ? 17:55, Denis -- a ?crit : > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > > > I have doing that but i have also an Input/output error. > > > > > > .. > > > > > > Bye > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > Le lun 04/08/2003 ? 14:30, Jon Carnes a ?crit : > > > > On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 05:38, Denis -- wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I have a strange error whith one liste. > > > > > > > > > > I don't have any config.pck. > > > > > > > > > > What can i do ? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > If you have a config.pck.last you can copy that: > > > > cp config.pck.last config.pck > > > > > > > > And see if that works. You'll loose whatever your last changes were. > > > > If you don't have that file, then... (and you are running Mailman > > > > version 2.1) then you will have to restore that list from backup. > > > > > > > > The config.pck file contains the list configuration, the users, and the > > > > configuration of each user. Basically it contains everything about the > > > > list but the archived emails. > > > > > > > > Good luck - Jon Carnes -- Denis -- From jmhayes at speakeasy.net Tue Aug 5 00:59:44 2003 From: jmhayes at speakeasy.net (Jordan Hayes) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:59:44 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_FILTER_PROG Message-ID: <065c01c35adc$188b6780$d458a6d1@rupt> I noticed that dumpdb on a list config file gives > 'filter_prog': '', I also noticed that Defaults.py has this: > DEFAULT_FILTER_PROG = '' # Currently not used! But ... MailList.py has this bit of code: > self.filter_prog = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_FILTER_PROG ... and scripts/post has this: > # Perhaps flow the message text through a filter program > prog = mlist.filter_prog > if prog: > import os, __main__ > file = os.path.join(mm_cfg.VAR_PREFIX, 'filters', prog) > try: > execfile(file) > msg = Message.Message(StringIO(__main__.mailman_text)) > except: > pass Does this work? If I set that attribute to a program such as stripmime, will it do the right thing? It looks like I have to put it into ../filters ... Does anyone else strip MIME out of incoming messages? /jordan From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Aug 5 02:01:11 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 00:01:11 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Input/output error In-Reply-To: <1060030183.1111.9.camel@collectifs> References: <1059989825.662.88.camel@collectifs> <1060000250.2623.10.camel@Anncons4> <1060012553.649.6.camel@collectifs> <1060021784.1079.1.camel@collectifs> <1060022256.2623.97.camel@Anncons4> <1060030183.1111.9.camel@collectifs> Message-ID: <1060041657.2608.31.camel@Anncons4> Have you tried running check_db on the list? It sounds like it is corrupted. On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 16:49, Denis -- wrote: > Hi, > > Then, i have tested this: > > - cp /var/lib/mailman/lists/novazine to > /var/lib/mailman/lists/novazineback > > - ln /var/lib/mailman/lists/novazineback novazine > > But i have this error: > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main > main() > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 66, in main > mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 101, in __init__ > self.Load() > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 573, in Load > dict, e = self.__load(file) > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 546, in __load > dict = loadfunc(fp) > UnpicklingError: invalid load key, 'k'. > > Thanks > > Denis > > Le lun 04/08/2003 ? 20:37, Jon Carnes a ?crit : > > have you tried it as root (or user "mailman)? > > > > If that fails then it sounds like you have some system problems. What > > OS are you running? > > > > Good Luck - Jon Carnes > > > > On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 14:29, Denis -- wrote: > > > Sorry, the correct thing is i am not able to copy it. > > > > > > When i do cp config.pck.last config.pck i have an error message who said > > > "Error Input/Output" and the file is not copying. > > > > > > Bye > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > Le lun 04/08/2003 ? 17:55, Denis -- a ?crit : > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > > > > > I have doing that but i have also an Input/output error. > > > > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > Bye > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le lun 04/08/2003 ? 14:30, Jon Carnes a ?crit : > > > > > On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 05:38, Denis -- wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a strange error whith one liste. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't have any config.pck. > > > > > > > > > > > > What can i do ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > If you have a config.pck.last you can copy that: > > > > > cp config.pck.last config.pck > > > > > > > > > > And see if that works. You'll loose whatever your last changes were. > > > > > If you don't have that file, then... (and you are running Mailman > > > > > version 2.1) then you will have to restore that list from backup. > > > > > > > > > > The config.pck file contains the list configuration, the users, and the > > > > > configuration of each user. Basically it contains everything about the > > > > > list but the archived emails. > > > > > > > > > > Good luck - Jon Carnes From zqu at bellanet.org Tue Aug 5 05:42:20 2003 From: zqu at bellanet.org (Zhang Qu) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:42:20 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help on converting Lyris archive Message-ID: <152171088582.20030804234220@bellanet.org> Hi,folks Does anyone have experience of converting a Lyris mailing list archive to mailman? I am trying to convert a mailing list from Lyris to Mailman. I used exp-arc.pl(which came with Lyris) to extract archive to a .mbox file and strip those CR/LF. I created a list in mailman with the same name and put this .mbox under archives/private/hdfnet.mbox/hdfnet.box,then I run "arch" command from mailman/bin like this ./arch hdfnet /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/hdfnet.mbox/hdfnet.mbox I got such error message Updating HTML for article 182 Updating index files for archive [2002-December] Date Subject Author Thread Computing threaded index Updating HTML for article 183 Pickling archive state into /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/hdfnet/pipermail.pck Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/arch", line 186, in ? main() File "bin/arch", line 174, in main archiver.processUnixMailbox(fp, start, end) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 544, in processUnixMailbox m = mbox.next() File "/usr/lib/python2.2/mailbox.py", line 33, in next return self.factory(_Subfile(self.fp, start, stop)) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 79, in scrubber return mailbox.scrub(msg) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 99, in scrub return self._scrubber(self._mlist, msg) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 132, in process dir = calculate_attachments_dir(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 93, in calculate_attachments_dir datedir = safe_strftime(fmt, now) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 77, in safe_strftime return time.strftime(fmt, floatsecs) TypeError: argument must be 9-item sequence, not None and in mailman web interface, I only got monthly archive up to 2002 Dec. anyone can help me? thanks a lot in advance! -- Best regards, Zhang mailto:zqu at bellanet.org From mark at bigdaddyo.com Tue Aug 5 07:58:02 2003 From: mark at bigdaddyo.com (Mark Champion) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:58:02 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] What version is recommended for RH9.0? References: <009a01c35a53$0baa4740$6601a8c0@nifty> Message-ID: <022c01c35b16$896aecc0$6601a8c0@nifty> Thanks to several people who helped me get Mailman 2.1-8 installed and working. However, I think I prefer v2.0.13 - the version I had under RH7.2. And, I see the current version is 2.1.2. My question is... What version is recommended by this group? One important criteria is that I need to move an existing list over from my RH7.2 system to my new RH9.0 system. I presume this will be easiest if I'm using the same version on both computers. But, maybe somebody has a suggestion for this? Can I simply copy the contents of some directory over? Mark From mercenary at mail.ru Tue Aug 5 13:37:52 2003 From: mercenary at mail.ru (mercenary at mail.ru) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:37:52 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrative requests for mailing list Message-ID: <141106113703.20030805143752@mail.ru> Hello, All, We use Microsoft Outlook as mail client, it place e-mail as "name"
or
instead adress And mailman generate Administrative requests, that I must approve every time :-( Reason: Message has implicit destination General posting filters Must posts be approved by an administrator? No Restrict posting privilege to list members? No My users is in the "Addresses of members accepted ..." list Please, help. -- Best Regards, BelEuroFreight.com Mail Admin mailto:maillists-admin at beleurofreight.com ICQ# 40912331 From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Aug 5 13:54:29 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 11:54:29 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help on converting Lyris archive In-Reply-To: <152171088582.20030804234220@bellanet.org> References: <152171088582.20030804234220@bellanet.org> Message-ID: <1060084464.2600.9.camel@Anncons4> Zahng, Try the arch again, and if it bombs in the same place, then most likely you have a problem with one of the headers in the mbox. If there is a message header (in the mbox) that is malformed or out of spec you should be able to trace this down by looking at the last message in the generated archives and then diving back into the mbox to find that message. The message after that one is a likely culprit. Once you look, it normally becomes fairly obvious what the error is. I've run into this several times at clients. With a little patience and the help of a few scripts you should be able weed this out easily. A troubleshooting technique I sometimes use on very large mboxes, is to break the mbox up (say by month or by year) and then arch one piece of it at a time. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 23:42, Zhang Qu wrote: > Hi,folks > > Does anyone have experience of converting a Lyris mailing list > archive to mailman? > > I am trying to convert a mailing list from Lyris to Mailman. I used > exp-arc.pl(which came with Lyris) to extract archive to a .mbox file > and strip those CR/LF. I created a list in mailman with the same name > and put this .mbox under archives/private/hdfnet.mbox/hdfnet.box,then > I run "arch" command from mailman/bin like this > > ./arch hdfnet /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/hdfnet.mbox/hdfnet.mbox > > I got such error message > > Updating HTML for article 182 > Updating index files for archive [2002-December] > Date > Subject > Author > Thread > Computing threaded index > Updating HTML for article 183 > Pickling archive state into /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/hdfnet/pipermail.pck > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "bin/arch", line 186, in ? > main() > File "bin/arch", line 174, in main > archiver.processUnixMailbox(fp, start, end) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 544, in processUnixMailbox > m = mbox.next() > File "/usr/lib/python2.2/mailbox.py", line 33, in next > return self.factory(_Subfile(self.fp, start, stop)) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 79, in scrubber > return mailbox.scrub(msg) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 99, in scrub > return self._scrubber(self._mlist, msg) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 132, in process > dir = calculate_attachments_dir(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 93, in calculate_attachments_dir > datedir = safe_strftime(fmt, now) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 77, in safe_strftime > return time.strftime(fmt, floatsecs) > TypeError: argument must be 9-item sequence, not None > > and in mailman web interface, I only got monthly archive up to 2002 > Dec. > > anyone can help me? > > thanks a lot in advance! > > > > > > From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Aug 5 14:11:10 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 12:11:10 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] What version is recommended for RH9.0? In-Reply-To: <022c01c35b16$896aecc0$6601a8c0@nifty> References: <009a01c35a53$0baa4740$6601a8c0@nifty> <022c01c35b16$896aecc0$6601a8c0@nifty> Message-ID: <1060085465.2600.18.camel@Anncons4> On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 01:58, Mark Champion wrote: > Thanks to several people who helped me get Mailman 2.1-8 installed and working. However, I think I prefer v2.0.13 - the version I had under RH7.2. And, I see the current version is 2.1.2. My question is... What version is recommended by this group? > > One important criteria is that I need to move an existing list over from my RH7.2 system to my new RH9.0 system. I presume this will be easiest if I'm using the same version on both computers. But, maybe somebody has a suggestion for this? Can I simply copy the contents of some directory over? > > Mark > The cleanest way is to create the list anew on your RH9 install. There are a lot of new features which are reflected by a drastically changed Database for storing the list-info, and recreating a few lists is fairly easy. The command line tools for mailman are a great help here. That being said, I've copied over lists from 2.0 to 2.1 and Mailman automagically converted them on the first use. You really need to check your defaults for the converted lists, because there are so many new features. I think the biggest thing you need to check on is moderation and whether folks have their moderation bit toggled. Free advice, and worth every cent! Jon Carnes From box99 at ntlworld.com Tue Aug 5 14:18:19 2003 From: box99 at ntlworld.com (david.gordon) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:18:19 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm_cfg.py Message-ID: <20030805121819.13451@smtp.ntlworld.com> I've just updated to MM 2.1.2. All now working as expected - thanks to those who helped! I'd like to add personalisation to the mail footer (as this list does). As I understand it I have to edit the mm_cfg.py file. Looking at it, it appears to be an old version from my MM 2.0.x perhaps. Anyway there's no lines about VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = 1 which I expected. I think the mm.cfg.py is not updated - correct? Whatever, do I have a correct version to replace the old one with? What should I be doing? I assume when I find these lines and enable them I'll see a change in the web interface? Thanks -- david.gordon From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Aug 5 14:22:19 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 12:22:19 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrative requests for mailing list In-Reply-To: <141106113703.20030805143752@mail.ru> References: <141106113703.20030805143752@mail.ru> Message-ID: <1060086135.2600.22.camel@Anncons4> You need to modify some of the Privacy options for you list using the Web-Admin. Specifically you need to modify the Recipient Filters: http:///mailman/admin//privacy/recipient Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 07:37, mercenary at mail.ru wrote: > Hello, All, > > We use Microsoft Outlook as mail client, it place e-mail as > "name"
> or >
> instead > adress > > And mailman generate Administrative requests, that I must approve > every time :-( > > Reason: Message has implicit destination > > General posting filters > Must posts be approved by an administrator? No > Restrict posting privilege to list members? No > My users is in the "Addresses of members accepted ..." list > > Please, help. From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Aug 5 14:31:56 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:31:56 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrative requests for mailing list In-Reply-To: <141106113703.20030805143752@mail.ru> Message-ID: On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 12:37 pm, mercenary at mail.ru wrote: > Hello, All, > > We use Microsoft Outlook as mail client, it place e-mail as > "name"
> or >
> instead > adress > > And mailman generate Administrative requests, that I must approve > every time :-( > > Reason: Message has implicit destination > This has nothing to do with the sender's email address. The problem is that the list's email address is not in either the To: or Cc: header of the the email it is receiving. One possible cause is that the list receiving the message is itself subscribed to another list as a member and is receiving the message through that route. > General posting filters > Must posts be approved by an administrator? No > Restrict posting privilege to list members? No > My users is in the "Addresses of members accepted ..." list > > Please, help. > > -- > Best Regards, BelEuroFreight.com Mail Admin > mailto:maillists-admin at beleurofreight.com ICQ# 40912331 From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Aug 5 14:34:07 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 12:34:07 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm_cfg.py In-Reply-To: <20030805121819.13451@smtp.ntlworld.com> References: <20030805121819.13451@smtp.ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <1060086845.2600.26.camel@Anncons4> On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 08:18, david.gordon wrote: > I've just updated to MM 2.1.2. All now working as expected - thanks to > those who helped! > > I'd like to add personalisation to the mail footer (as this list does). > As I understand it I have to edit the mm_cfg.py file. Looking at it, it > appears to be an old version from my MM 2.0.x perhaps. Anyway there's no > lines about > > VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = 1 > > which I expected. > > I think the mm.cfg.py is not updated - correct? Whatever, do I have a > correct version to replace the old one with? What should I be doing? I > assume when I find these lines and enable them I'll see a change in the > web interface? > > Thanks You'll find "examples" of all those settings in Defaults.py (which gets updated when you upgrade). Feel free to copy any sections from that file into your mm_cfg.py file. For a painless, step-by-step, approach to adding VERP to your lists, look in the FAQ. There are a couple of nice write-ups there. http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Good luck - Jon Carnes From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Aug 5 14:41:02 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:41:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm_cfg.py In-Reply-To: <20030805121819.13451@smtp.ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <1264583E-C742-11D7-B56E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 01:18 pm, david.gordon wrote: > I've just updated to MM 2.1.2. All now working as expected - thanks to > those who helped! > > I'd like to add personalisation to the mail footer (as this list does). > As I understand it I have to edit the mm_cfg.py file. Looking at it, it > appears to be an old version from my MM 2.0.x perhaps. That is to be exepected as the site specific changes you make to Mailman's configuration in mm_cfg.py are not changed by upgrades; be thankful for that. > Anyway there's no > lines about > > VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = 1 > > which I expected. > MM has always defined the default configuration in Defaults.py. You change the defaults to suit your site requirements by by copying the definitions you want to change from Defaults.py and inserting them into mm_cfg.py and editing them there. Those (the majority?) defaults that are OK do not need to be added to mm_cfg.py > I think the mm.cfg.py is not updated - correct? Whatever, do I have a > correct version to replace the old one with? What should I be doing? I > assume when I find these lines and enable them I'll see a change in the > web interface? And you should also run mailmanctl restart to get the daemons to recognise the changes. btw: If you had an operational MM 2.0.13 configuration and you had defined DEFAULT_HOST_NAME and DEFAULT_URL in mm_cfg.py you might want to read the comments about them in Defaults.py > > Thanks > > -- > david.gordon From mail at schoeppi.net Tue Aug 5 17:06:02 2003 From: mail at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:06:02 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Charset conversion In-Reply-To: <3F2CF51F.5070507@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> References: <20030803103506.GA2312@toshiba> <3F2CF51F.5070507@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20030805150602.GA2112@athlon.schoeppi.net> Hiho! Thanks for the patch, now everything works as I want it. Ciao, Schoeppi On Son, Aug 03, 2003 at 08:42:23 +0900, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > Hi, > > This patch should help. > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=664209&group_id=103&atid=300103 > > Cheers, > > Tokio > > Christian Schoepplein wrote: > >Hello! > > > >I'm using mailman 2.1.2 that uses AFAIK email 2.5.1 for messageprocessing. > >However, I have a problem with some emails in mailmanlists :-(. > > > >If the listlanguage is set to German (iso-8859-1) and a message is posted > >with this characterset to a list, everything works fine. If the posters > >use another characterset I get multiparted messages..., messages with > >attachments. For example a poster uses 7bit us-ascii in its mailer, in my > >lists appears a message with tow parts: The text from the poster in > >us-ascii and the listsignature in iso-8859-1. Such a meeeage looks like > >this: > > > >----- > >>From lh2-bounces at test.dom Sat Aug 2 15:49:00 2003 > >Return-Path: > >X-Original-To: test at toshiba.schoeppi > >Delivered-To: test at toshiba.schoeppi > >Received: from toshiba.schoeppi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > > by toshiba.schoeppi (Postfix) with ESMTP > > id 621DC1047B; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:48:58 +0200 (CEST) > >X-Original-To: lh2 at test.dom > >Delivered-To: lh2 at test.dom > >Received: by toshiba.schoeppi (Postfix, from userid 503) > > id F247F109C0; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:48:56 +0200 (CEST) > >Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:48:56 +0200 > >From: Christian Schoepplein > >To: lh2 at test.dom > >Message-ID: <20030802134856.GE3587 at toshiba> > >Mime-Version: 1.0 > >User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i > >Subject: [Lh2] test > >X-BeenThere: lh2 at test.dom > >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 > >Precedence: list > >Reply-To: > >List-Id: > >List-Unsubscribe: , > > > >List-Post: > >List-Help: > >List-Subscribe: , > > > >Content-Type: multipart/mixed; > >boundary="===============64836026195830321==" > >Sender: lh2-bounces at test.dom > >Errors-To: lh2-bounces at test.dom > > > >[-- Anhang #1 --] > >[-- Typ: text/plain, Kodierung: 7bit, Gr??e: 0,1K --] > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Content-Disposition: inline > > > >messagetext > > > > > >[-- Anhang #2 --] > >[-- Typ: text/plain, Kodierung: quoted-printable, Gr??e: 0,1K --] > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Content-Disposition: inline > > > >-- > >listfooter > > > >----- > > -- Christian Schoepplein | Beste Rockband der Welt: http://www.lily-rockt.de mail at schoeppi.net | Linux fuer Blinde: http://www.blinux.suse.de From kwythers at umn.edu Tue Aug 5 18:11:13 2003 From: kwythers at umn.edu (Kirk R. Wythers) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:11:13 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changed domains, need to change list url Message-ID: <1060100138.23050.15.camel@lorax.forestry.umn.edu> I need to change the url on a list (we have switched domains and I want the list web pages to reflect that change). I have tried the fix_url.py script, but it just wants to set the list url to the name of the local_host (probably getting it from uname or something). I have changed 'ServerName' in httpd.conf to the new domain name, also changed DEFAULT_HOST_NAME in mm_cfg.py. What else needs to be done so that fix_url can change the list url? Thanks, Kirk From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk Tue Aug 5 18:40:41 2003 From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:40:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changed domains, need to change list url In-Reply-To: <1060100138.23050.15.camel@lorax.forestry.umn.edu> Message-ID: <8D71A26D-C763-11D7-9FDD-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> See the FAQ entry: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp Run fix_url after you have changed mm_cfg.py and do not foget to mailmanctl restart. On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 05:15 pm, Kirk R. Wythers wrote: > I need to change the url on a list (we have switched domains and I want > the list web pages to reflect that change). I have tried the fix_url.py > script, but it just wants to set the list url to the name of the > local_host (probably getting it from uname or something). I have > changed > 'ServerName' in httpd.conf to the new domain name, also changed > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME in mm_cfg.py. > > What else needs to be done so that fix_url can change the list url? > > Thanks, > > Kirk From kwythers at umn.edu Tue Aug 5 19:01:56 2003 From: kwythers at umn.edu (Kirk R. Wythers) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 17:01:56 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changed domains, need to change list url In-Reply-To: <8D71A26D-C763-11D7-9FDD-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> References: <8D71A26D-C763-11D7-9FDD-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <1060103182.23050.30.camel@lorax.forestry.umn.edu> On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 16:40, Richard Barrett wrote: > See the FAQ entry: > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp > > Run fix_url after you have changed mm_cfg.py and do not foget to > mailmanctl restart. I'm restarting mailmanctl and I it keeps setting the url to the uname of the machine. Here is the output form fix_url lorax[/usr/local/mailman/bin]$ ./withlist -l -r fix_url neighborsunited -v Importing fix_url... Running fix_url.fix_url()... Loading list neighborsunited (locked) Setting web_page_url to: http://lorax.forestry.umn.edu/mailman/ Setting host_name to: lorax.forestry.umn.edu Saving list Finalizing lorax[/usr/local/mailman/bin]$ Here is my mm_cfg (do I have to add the virtual host line?): ############################################### # Here's where we get the distributed defaults. from Defaults import * ################################################## # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line. DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'neighborsunited.net' DEFAULT_URL = 'http://www.neighborsunited.net' MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME > > On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 05:15 pm, Kirk R. Wythers wrote: > -- Kirk R. Wythers Department of Forest Resources Tel: 612.625.2261 University of Minnesota Fax: 612.625.521 1530 Cleveland Ave. N Email: kwythers at umn.edu Saint Paul, MN 55108 USA From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Tue Aug 5 19:20:02 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:20:02 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changed domains, need to change list url In-Reply-To: <1060103182.23050.30.camel@lorax.forestry.umn.edu> References: <8D71A26D-C763-11D7-9FDD-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> <1060103182.23050.30.camel@lorax.forestry.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20030805172002.GF5842@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Kirk R. Wythers wrote: > Here is my mm_cfg (do I have to add the virtual host line?): Yes. Here's the comments from Defaults.py: # Mailman needs to know about (at least) two fully-qualified domain # names (fqdn); 1) the hostname used in your urls, and 2) the hostname # used in email addresses for your domain. For example, if people visit # your Mailman system with "http://www.dom.ain/mailman" then your url # fqdn is "www.dom.ain", and if people send mail to your system via # "yourlist at dom.ain" then your email fqdn is "dom.ain". # DEFAULT_URL_HOST controls the former, and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST controls # the latter. Mailman also needs to know how to map from one to the # other (this is especially important if you're running with virtual # domains). You use "add_virtualhost(urlfqdn, emailfqdn)" to add new # mappings. # # If you don't need to change DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST in # your mm_cfg.py, then you're done; the default mapping is added # automatically. If however you change either variable in your # mm_cfg.py, then be sure to also include the following: # # add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) # # because otherwise the default mappings won't be correct. DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost.localdomain' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'localhost.localdomain' DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/' - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ So live that you can look any man in the eye and tell him to go to hell. -- Anonymous -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3rc2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/L+dCuv+09NZUB1oRAnjJAJ0Zil3sXvBPqNR/qBgvlopNFTfB2ACgjP8R smiEJ2C0xMI0iSZaiIHClMM= =C3cL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sarma at gwup.com Tue Aug 5 19:52:36 2003 From: sarma at gwup.com (Amardeo Sarma) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 19:52:36 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Keeping process count low Message-ID: <4099906.1060113156@[192.168.168.100]> Hi, since a larger number of lists are hosted on our server, I am running into a problem with the number of processes on the server, which is limited. I get a number Is it a way out to set some limit on: SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION or MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS Any other suggestions to keep the number of concurrent processes down, even if delivery takes a bit longer? Typical errors I get are: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces abc" (reason: 2) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Cannot fork: Resource temporarily unavailable 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2 It seems to me that this indicates that the maximum number of allowed processes has been exceeded. Amardeo. -- Amardeo Sarma sarma at gwup.com From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Tue Aug 5 20:13:58 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:13:58 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changed domains, need to change list url In-Reply-To: <1060105412.23050.34.camel@lorax.forestry.umn.edu> References: <8D71A26D-C763-11D7-9FDD-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> <1060103182.23050.30.camel@lorax.forestry.umn.edu> <20030805172002.GF5842@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <1060105412.23050.34.camel@lorax.forestry.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20030805181358.GH5842@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Kirk, Reply to the list. That way more folks can take a stab at offereing help and then others can benefit from the answers if they search the archives. Kirk R. Wythers wrote: > Sorry to be such a ditz... I tried changing mm_cfg.py to this: > > > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'neighborsunited.net' > DEFAULT_URL = 'http://www.neighborsunited.net' > MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME > add_virtualhost(neighborsunited.net, neighborsunited.net) > > must be right... when I run mailmanctl restart I get: > > lorax[/usr/local/mailman/bin]$ ./mailmanctl restart > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "./mailmanctl", line 105, in ? > from Mailman import mm_cfg > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 49, in ? > add_virtualhost(neighborsunited.net, neighborsunited.net) > NameError: name 'neighborsunited' is not defined > lorax[/usr/local/mailman/bin]$ You want to literally use: add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) I think (and someone more knowledgeable will correct me if I'm wrong here, I hope), that you could use neighborsunited.net in the add_virtualhost function if you quoted it. So this *should* work as well: add_virtualhost('neighborsunited.net', 'neighborsunited.net') - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Some people are like Slinkies... not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3rc2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/L/Pluv+09NZUB1oRAmuaAKDBZ3WW0jnmDjTMfaxFI7yBxT3uXACgiwa6 GYD3xnq12mE28KSEBu6InU0= =zOI8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Aug 5 20:43:18 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:43:18 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changed domains, need to change list url In-Reply-To: <1060103182.23050.30.camel@lorax.forestry.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 06:06 pm, Kirk R. Wythers wrote: > On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 16:40, Richard Barrett wrote: >> See the FAQ entry: >> >> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp >> >> Run fix_url after you have changed mm_cfg.py and do not foget to >> mailmanctl restart. > > I'm restarting mailmanctl and I it keeps setting the url to the uname > of > the machine. Here is the output form fix_url > > lorax[/usr/local/mailman/bin]$ ./withlist -l -r fix_url neighborsunited > -v > Importing fix_url... > Running fix_url.fix_url()... > Loading list neighborsunited (locked) > Setting web_page_url to: http://lorax.forestry.umn.edu/mailman/ > Setting host_name to: lorax.forestry.umn.edu > Saving list > Finalizing > lorax[/usr/local/mailman/bin]$ > > Here is my mm_cfg (do I have to add the virtual host line?): > > ############################################### > # Here's where we get the distributed defaults. > > from Defaults import * > > ################################################## > # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line. > > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'neighborsunited.net' > DEFAULT_URL = 'http://www.neighborsunited.net' > MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME > I cited the FAQ entry in my initial response because it says the following at the top: Changing hostnames ------------------ These changes should be made $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. The applicable MM config variables are described in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py. Typically something like what follows, at the end of your mm_cfg.py, will do the trick: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'your.mailhostname.tld' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'your.webhostname.tld' VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) and some more add_virtualhost(URL_FQDN, EMAIL_FQDN) if you are using virtual hosts. I am at a loss to find any simpler way of expressing what needs to be done. If you do this then fix_url.py will probably work as planned! > >> >> On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 05:15 pm, Kirk R. Wythers wrote: >> > > -- > Kirk R. Wythers Department of Forest Resources > Tel: 612.625.2261 University of Minnesota > Fax: 612.625.521 1530 Cleveland Ave. N > Email: kwythers at umn.edu Saint Paul, MN 55108 USA From mail at schoeppi.net Tue Aug 5 20:52:34 2003 From: mail at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:52:34 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python error message... Message-ID: <20030805185233.GB1705@athlon.schoeppi.net> Hi! Yesterday I upgrated python 2.2 to 2.3 on our mailinglistserver. Now I get some python errors: as-2:/usr/lib/mailman/bin # ./config_list -o xyz as-news /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/korean/c/euc_kr.py:24: RuntimeWarning: Python C API v ersion mismatch for module _koco: This Python has API version 1012, module _koco has version 1011. import _koco /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/japanese/c/euc_jp.py:3: RuntimeWarning: Python C API version mismatch for module _japanese_codecs: This Python has API version 1012, module _japanese_codecs has version 1011. import codecs, japanese.c._japanese_codecs as-2:/usr/lib/mailman/bin # Allthog I don't have any Japanese or Korean lists on my server, I'd like to correct this errors. How can I do this? Ciao, Schoeppi -- Christian Schoepplein | Beste Rockband der Welt: http://www.lily-rockt.de mail at schoeppi.net | Linux fuer Blinde: http://www.blinux.suse.de From jdecarlo at mitre.org Fri Aug 1 20:06:57 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 14:06:57 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Edit rejection notice text In-Reply-To: <003c01c35783$d4140540$0503dc8c@cygnusx1> References: <003c01c35783$d4140540$0503dc8c@cygnusx1> Message-ID: <3F2AAC41.8070002@mitre.org> Todd, As far as I can tell, it is hard coded into /Mailman/Handlers/Moderate.py So you would have to edit that file directly. Todd Felmly wrote: > Is there a way to edit the text contained in _non-member_ rejection > notices? > > I.e., if a non-member posts to a list and the Action to take for > postings from non-members for which no explicit action is defined > setting is set for reject, this is what the user gets: > > "You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has > been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are > being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at xxx at dom.ain." > > Where is this template at? I've searched through the archives/en > directory and can't find it. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Aug 5 22:19:00 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:19:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python error message... In-Reply-To: <20030805185233.GB1705@athlon.schoeppi.net> Message-ID: <0CF4CCAC-C782-11D7-9FDD-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 07:52 pm, Christian Schoepplein wrote: > Hi! > > Yesterday I upgrated python 2.2 to 2.3 on our mailinglistserver. Now I > get some python errors: > You may have jumped the gun here. On mailman-developers Barry Warsaw posted a response to the 2.3 upgrade question. See: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2003-July/ 015462.html I haven't yet seen any update to that post. I harbour a dark suspicion that you may find retaining MM 2.2.3 for Mailman to use (--with-python option on ./configure?) is the easiest solution unless you want to fix a bunch of issues yourself. > as-2:/usr/lib/mailman/bin # ./config_list -o xyz as-news > /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/korean/c/euc_kr.py:24: RuntimeWarning: > Python > C API v > ersion mismatch for module _koco: This Python has API version 1012, > module _koco > has version 1011. > import _koco > /usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/japanese/c/euc_jp.py:3: RuntimeWarning: > Python C API > version mismatch for module _japanese_codecs: This Python has API > version 1012, > module _japanese_codecs has version 1011. > import codecs, japanese.c._japanese_codecs > as-2:/usr/lib/mailman/bin # > > Allthog I don't have any Japanese or Korean lists on my server, I'd > like > to correct this errors. How can I do this? > > Ciao, > Schoeppi > > -- > Christian Schoepplein | Beste Rockband der Welt: > http://www.lily-rockt.de > mail at schoeppi.net | Linux fuer Blinde: http://www.blinux.suse.de > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From khera at kcilink.com Tue Aug 5 23:01:12 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:01:12 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python error message... In-Reply-To: <0CF4CCAC-C782-11D7-9FDD-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> References: <20030805185233.GB1705@athlon.schoeppi.net> <0CF4CCAC-C782-11D7-9FDD-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <16176.6936.576459.43735@yertle.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "RB" == Richard Barrett writes: RB> You may have jumped the gun here. On mailman-developers Barry Warsaw RB> posted a response to the 2.3 upgrade question. See: RB> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2003-July/ RB> 015462.html I did the upgrade the other day. broke mailman all over the place since for some reason it had /usr/local/bin/python2.2 hard-coded into it. i just re-instaled mailman (actually took the opportunity to update from 2.1.1 to 2.1.2) and it works fine. MM caused python 2.3 to issue some "feature going away" and "depricated" warnings, but it still appears to work. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera at kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-240-453-8497 AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ From sarma at gwup.com Wed Aug 6 05:54:43 2003 From: sarma at gwup.com (Amardeo Sarma) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 05:54:43 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Keeping process count low In-Reply-To: <4099906.1060113156@[192.168.168.100]> References: <4099906.1060113156@[192.168.168.100]> Message-ID: <40227546.1060149283@[192.168.168.100]> In the meanwhile, I am getting around 200 error messages a day complaining about "cannot fork". I have tried various settings of SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION and MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS, but that does not seem to help. Does anyone know what the problem could be? Amardeo. --On Dienstag, 5. August 2003 19:52 +0200 Amardeo Sarma wrote: > Hi, > > since a larger number of lists are hosted on our server, I am running > into a problem with the number of processes on the server, which is > limited. Is it a way out to set some limit on: > > SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION > or > MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS > > Any other suggestions to keep the number of concurrent processes down, > even if delivery takes a bit longer? > > Typical errors I get are: > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces abc" > (reason: 2) > (expanded from: ) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > Cannot fork: Resource temporarily unavailable > 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2 > > It seems to me that this indicates that the maximum number of allowed > processes has been exceeded. > > Amardeo. > -- Amardeo Sarma sarma at gwup.com From lappleby at backtalk.org Wed Aug 6 06:43:26 2003 From: lappleby at backtalk.org (lappleby at backtalk.org) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Problem. Message-ID: I recently edited my archives to remove an email, but when I re-arched them I got a bunch of screwy entries. ( http://www.bhsims.com/pipermail/caledonia/2003-July/date.html ) When I tried to edit the archives again there were a bunch of messages that were fragments of messages that existe in other month's archives looking something like .. From: bogus at does.not.exist.com () Date: Mon Apr 30 11:55:01 2001 Subject: No subject present and she suddenly became aware of a muffled rucus just beyond the transport's walls. If thats what she'd landed in. *Battle to end all battles..from those sounds and the way these troops look..* Her mind struggling to determine just where *here* was. Where ever it was, it certainly wasn't her family's villiage in Japan or their homestead. Removed all of those and re-arched. They didn't go away. So I ask.. Does anyone know what's causing this problem and more importantly how I fix it? It's only affecting my July archives, but it's still irritating! -Lorna Appleby --- Queen of the Insane Stuffies http://www.tuxandbunny.com From b at grabbarna.nu Wed Aug 6 16:26:28 2003 From: b at grabbarna.nu (Jan Banan) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 16:26:28 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade from Mailman 2.1.1 -> 2.1.2 Message-ID: <3F311014.1000300@grabbarna.nu> Hi, I'm quite new to Mailman and for some time ago installed Mailman 2.1.1 . Now I think it's time to upgrade to 2.1.2 :-) I looked at mailman-2.1.2/UPGRADING but couldn't find anything about going from 2.1.1 to 2.1.2 . So I made a new clean installation av 2.1.2 beside 2.1.1 and compared them. It seems like there is a new file data/sitelist.cfg that was not available in 2.1.1 . How should I treat that file? I suppose I should keep it in that directory. Also I saw you have changed alot options in Mailman/Defaults.py like 1/0 to instead Yes/No so I made the appropriate changes to my Mailman/mm_cfg.py . As to what I can see it looks like I only need to keep one file (Mailman/mm_cfg.py) and these six directories: archives data lists locks logs qfiles Also I see the file data/last_mailman_version ... should I use the one from 2.1.1 or 2.1.2 when I move to 2.1.2 ? When I tested to keep the one from 2.1.1 then Mailman didn't do anything to that file even after I started 2.1.2 (it is still the same as from 2.1.1). Thanks for your answers. Regards, Jan From mensahk at ghana.com Wed Aug 6 15:41:12 2003 From: mensahk at ghana.com (Mensah K. Agbessitse) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:41:12 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Interface Problem References: Message-ID: <025301c35c20$714d3520$ca84acd5@ghana.com> Dear All, I have a mailman running on a Compaq PC with 128MB of memory and 7GB of Hard Disk. The OS is FreeBSD. After a mass subscription of about 2000 email addresses I cannot go to the administrative web interface for that particular list. But I can go into other lists which have less email addresses. Can someone help me? What should I do? Bruno. From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Aug 6 16:43:20 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:43:20 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Keeping process count low In-Reply-To: <40227546.1060149283@[192.168.168.100]> Message-ID: <52BA0234-C81C-11D7-9AE1-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 04:54 am, Amardeo Sarma wrote: > In the meanwhile, I am getting around 200 error messages a day > complaining about "cannot fork". I have tried various settings of > SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION and MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS, but that > does not seem to help. Does anyone know what the problem could be? > This is not a problem I have had to deal with but I suspect that, as the problem arises when the MTA delivering to MM is trying to spawn a process to perform the delivery, that changing SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION and MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS will not help much. These MM config variables are concerned with limiting MM's use of resource when trying to pass outgoing messages to the outbound MTA (which may or may not be the same as the inbound MTA). Only indirectly will they impact on delivery to Mailman by the MTA. Mailman's delivery function is low cost and concerns itself solely with taking the message from the MTA and getting into the qfiles directory on disc. Once that is done, the heavy lifting of the mail list processing is done by the qrunner daemons. I suspect you need to provide some idea of what type of machine (CPU, clock rate, memory, disc etc) you are running, what OS and its version, what MTA and such to get some more intelligent feedback from the list than I can provide. > Amardeo. > > --On Dienstag, 5. August 2003 19:52 +0200 Amardeo Sarma > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> since a larger number of lists are hosted on our server, I am running >> into a problem with the number of processes on the server, which is >> limited. Is it a way out to set some limit on: >> >> SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION >> or >> MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS >> >> Any other suggestions to keep the number of concurrent processes down, >> even if delivery takes a bit longer? >> >> Typical errors I get are: >> >> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- >> "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces abc" >> (reason: 2) >> (expanded from: ) >> >> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >> Cannot fork: Resource temporarily unavailable >> 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2 >> >> It seems to me that this indicates that the maximum number of allowed >> processes has been exceeded. >> >> Amardeo. >> > > -- > Amardeo Sarma > sarma at gwup.com > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From kwythers at umn.edu Wed Aug 6 19:08:11 2003 From: kwythers at umn.edu (Kirk R. Wythers) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 17:08:11 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not sending [remote host address is the local host] Message-ID: <1060190038.11299.17.camel@lorax.forestry.umn.edu> I am trying to set up mailman on through a virtual domain. I have the everything working except that no mail is going out. I set masquerading with: MASQUERADE_AS(`neighborsunited.org')dnl FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl in sendmail. I have looked through the faq and all of the obvious stuff is working (alaises, qrunner, etc...) I am getting a repeated error message in /var/log/exim/mainlog that reads: 2003-08-06 10:48:31 H=localhost.forestry.umn.edu (lorax.forestry.umn.edu) [::1] sender verify defer for : remote host address is the local host Does anyone recognize this error Thanks Kirk From TwinsDad at tampabay.rr.com Wed Aug 6 19:27:00 2003 From: TwinsDad at tampabay.rr.com (Daniel A. Creed) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:27:00 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too many hops Message-ID: <004901c35c3f$f1deee80$650aa8c0@QUIGONN> Ok folks, I am finally getting around to this. With certain addresses like this bounces one I consistently get "too many hops" messages in my error log and messages that never make it to certain people. especially AOL users.Any ideas what might be causing this? Thanks, Daniel A. Creed Aug 3 08:00:12 vader sendmail[18462]: h73C0ACD018462: from=, size=998, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=vader [127.0.0.1] Aug 3 08:00:14 vader sendmail[18464]: h73C0ACD018462: to=, delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=relay, pri=138585, relay=smtp-server.carolina.rr.com. [24.93.67.141], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h73Bep88016479 Message accepted for delivery) Aug 3 08:00:12 vader sendmail[18462]: h73C0ACD018462: from=, size=998, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=vader [127.0.0.1] Aug 3 08:00:14 vader sendmail[18464]: h73C0ACD018462: to=, delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=relay, pri=138585, relay=smtp-server.carolina.rr.com. [24.93.67.141], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h73Bep88016479 Message accepted for delivery) Aug 3 08:00:15 vader sendmail[18465]: h73C0ECD018465: from=, size=1434, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.82] Aug 3 08:00:17 vader sendmail[18468]: h73C0HCD018468: from=, size=1896, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.83] Aug 3 08:00:16 vader sendmail[18467]: h73C0ECD018465: to=, delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=139021, relay=smtp-server.carolina.rr.com. [24.93.67.141], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h73Bi7mn015408 Message accepted for delivery) Aug 3 08:00:18 vader sendmail[18470]: h73C0HCD018468: to=, delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=139483, relay=smtp-server.carolina.rr.com. [24.93.67.141], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h73Beu88016493 Message accepted for delivery) Aug 3 08:00:19 vader sendmail[18471]: h73C0JCD018471: from=, size=2358, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.82] Aug 3 08:00:21 vader sendmail[18473]: h73C0JCD018471: to=, delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=relay, pri=139945, relay=smtp-server.carolina.rr.com. [24.93.67.141], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h73BiCmn015433 Message accepted for delivery) Aug 3 08:00:21 vader sendmail[18474]: h73C0LCD018474: from=, size=2820, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.83] Aug 3 08:00:23 vader sendmail[18477]: h73C0NCD018477: from=, size=3282, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.83] Aug 3 08:20:54 vader sendmail[18611]: h73CKsCD018611: from=<>, size=13396, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200308031205.h73C0L3N018756 at ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.82] Aug 3 08:20:56 vader sendmail[18613]: h73CKsCD018611: to=, delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=relay, pri=35739, relay=smtp-server.carolina.rr.com. [24.93.67.141], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h73C4lmn026095 Message accepted for delivery) Aug 3 08:20:56 vader sendmail[18614]: h73CKuCD018614: from=<>, size=13862, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200308031205.h73C0L3N018756 at ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.83] Aug 3 08:20:58 vader sendmail[18614]: h73CKuCD018614: SYSERR(root): Too many hops 26 (25 max): from <> via ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com, to ug 3 08:20:58 vader sendmail[18614]: h73CKuCD018614: SYSERR(root): Too many hops 26 (25 max): from <> via ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com, to Aug 3 08:31:56 vader sendmail[18619]: h73CKuCD018614: SYSERR(root): Too many hops 26 (25 max): from <> via localhost, to Aug 3 08:31:56 vader sendmail[18619]: h73CKuCD018614: h73CVtCE018619: postmaster notify: Too many hops 26 (25 max): from <> via localhost, to From kwythers at umn.edu Wed Aug 6 19:36:34 2003 From: kwythers at umn.edu (Kirk R. Wythers) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 17:36:34 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no mail... looks like an exim config problem In-Reply-To: <1060190038.11299.17.camel@lorax.forestry.umn.edu> References: <1060190038.11299.17.camel@lorax.forestry.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1060191746.11299.27.camel@lorax.forestry.umn.edu> I need to configure exim for a virtual domain. The uname of my machine in lorax.forestry.umn.edu, the virtual domain that I want to run mailman to/from is neighborsunited.net. Here is the exim log error: 2003-08-06 12:14:53 remote host address is the local host: neighborsunited.net (while verifying from host localhost.forestry.umn.edu (lorax.forestry.umn.edu) [::1]) If I add the domain neighborsunited.net as the primary hostname, will that take care of it? # primary_hostname = primary_hostname = neighborsunited.net or do I also need something here? domainlist local_domains = @ domainlist relay_to_domains = hostlist relay_from_hosts = localhost Lastly, how does one HUP exim? Thanks From TwinsDad at tampabay.rr.com Wed Aug 6 19:46:40 2003 From: TwinsDad at tampabay.rr.com (Daniel A. Creed) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:46:40 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too many HOPS update Message-ID: <006e01c35c42$b18360c0$650aa8c0@QUIGONN> It appears to be doing this on ALL e-mail's where I have sent an invitation to someone to join. They get the invitation and it is the reply that has problems.. it keeps repeating until it gets the too many hops message.. Thanks, Daniel A. Creed From mmuserslist at nwcweb.com Wed Aug 6 19:49:38 2003 From: mmuserslist at nwcweb.com (David J. Duffner - NWCWEB.com) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:49:38 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too many HOPS update In-Reply-To: <006e01c35c42$b18360c0$650aa8c0@QUIGONN> Message-ID: >-----Original Message----- >Behalf Of Daniel A. Creed >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too many HOPS update > >It appears to be doing this on ALL e-mail's where I have sent an >invitation to someone to join. They get the invitation and it is the >reply that has problems.. it keeps repeating until it gets >the too many hops message.. This sounds more like a server configuration MTA issue than Mailman settings... What type of server & OS are you using? On the Enism's we've hit this problem in that placing the domain name in the approved relay file ends up causing the hops error. The solution was to remove relaying as the OS handled it for all domains on the server without an extra entry needed. So it would relay between the original OS entry and the approved relay entry until the max was exceeded. Drop the dupe, it flows perfectly. David J. Duffner VP Operations NWC Corporation NWCWEB.com http://www.nwcweb.com -------------------------------------------- NWCWEB.com - Your design, hosting and e- commerce solution! Featuring Miva Merchant e-commerce & Ensim Pro/Linux based platforms NWC Corporation - Global e-Pay Solutions POSA terminals, Merchant Accounts, E-payment solutions, Gift Cards and much more! -------------------------------------------- From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Aug 6 19:59:05 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:59:05 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no mail... looks like an exim config problem In-Reply-To: <1060191746.11299.27.camel@lorax.forestry.umn.edu> Message-ID: As your problem at this juncture seems to be more Exim related than Mailman ... A google search for 'Exim "remote host address is the local host"' threw up these, which may be relevant: http://www.exim.org/pipermail/exim-users/Week-of-Mon-20011022/ 031433.html http://exim.stanford.edu/exim-html-4.20/doc/html/FAQ_3.html The Exim mailing lists (Mailman managed of course :) are here linked from: http://www.exim.org/ On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 06:42 pm, Kirk R. Wythers wrote: > I need to configure exim for a virtual domain. The uname of my machine > in lorax.forestry.umn.edu, the virtual domain that I want to run > mailman > to/from is neighborsunited.net. > > Here is the exim log error: > 2003-08-06 12:14:53 remote host address is the local host: > neighborsunited.net (while verifying > from > host localhost.forestry.umn.edu (lorax.forestry.umn.edu) [::1]) > > If I add the domain neighborsunited.net as the primary hostname, will > that take care of it? > > # primary_hostname = > primary_hostname = neighborsunited.net > > or do I also need something here? > > domainlist local_domains = @ > domainlist relay_to_domains = > hostlist relay_from_hosts = localhost > > Lastly, how does one HUP exim? > > Thanks ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From mmuserslist at nwcweb.com Wed Aug 6 20:06:02 2003 From: mmuserslist at nwcweb.com (David J. Duffner - NWCWEB.com) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:06:02 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & Ensim Pro 3.5.X for Linux Message-ID: Greetings, Now that, with Jon's help amongst tons of archive files, I managed to get Mailman working on Sun/Cobalt RaQ4r I'm a glutton for punishment... Between Sun's End Of Life on all appliances and Interland sucking up and trashing another excellent co-lo/hosting facility, we're out of the RaQ game and on to Ensim. Ensim has some strange setup quirks that may either be the easiest install in the world, or a larger nightmare than the RaQ's were. Has anyone here done an Ensim Pro 3.5 series install? Ensim Pro 3.5 essentially takes all the Virtual and IP-based domains and places them in a chroot'ed environment as I've heard Jon mention previously. But then they went further by making each and every domain it's own mini-box with all the trimmings. Like miniature servers instead of pooling resources and functions like the RaQs. I've found something in the main httpd.conf file that's stating if I uncomment the lines I can get Mailman to work. Only problem is that Ensim documentation doesn't really exist and I'm not sure if simply installing Mailman in the root domain and using these pathing links would allow use of Mailman system-wide or if they're just to allowing each domain to use the Sendmail MTA and I have to install Mailman in every domain that wants it. So that's the question, to install it system-wide or install it on a domain-as-needed basis. Majordomo exists in each domain separately, but that's not saying much. Switch selectable, can be tossed in seconds. Any advice appreciated! David J. Duffner VP Operations NWC Corporation www.nwcxpress.com -------------------------------------------- NWC Corporation - Global e-Pay Solutions POSA terminals, Merchant Accounts, E-payment solutions, Gift Cards and much more! NWCWEB.com - Your design, hosting and e- commerce solution! Featuring Miva Merchant e-commerce & Ensim Pro/Linux based platforms -------------------------------------------- From mailmanlist at obrien-pifer.com Wed Aug 6 20:41:23 2003 From: mailmanlist at obrien-pifer.com (James Pifer) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 18:41:23 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] IP's instead of FQDN Message-ID: <1060195346.29225.5.camel@tweety.tnjinfl.com> I'm new to mailman and have everything setup except for one problem. I've tried searching the archives but didn't find my resolution. I have it installed (version 2.1.2) and created a list. It seems fine except that some of the links in the forms are not using my domain settings, rather that have an IP address in the URL like, 192.168.1.99. For example, when you try to subscribe the Subscribe button tries to post to the IP address rather than the domain. I've tried setting the defaults for HOST and URL in defaults.py, but still can't get it fixed. Can anyone tell me what I might be missing? Thanks, James From paul at thcwd.com Wed Aug 6 20:51:09 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 13:51:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] There are humans at excite.com!! Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030806134858.0354eb58@mail.thcwd.com> Hi all, It took four rounds of auto responders requesting headers to get a real person, but I now have word from excite.com that they no longer use the filter that identifies as spam mail with "long words" in the subject line. Excite Email Help wrote: >We regret you have not received an adequate response to your previous >emails. The filter you are speaking about is no longer in use by our >company. You should not have any difficulty sending emails that you >have described below. > >If you experience any difficulty, please send an email to >emailadmin at cs.excite.com. > >Regards, >Excite Abuse Department <>< Paul From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Aug 6 20:56:55 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:56:55 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] IP's instead of FQDN In-Reply-To: <1060195346.29225.5.camel@tweety.tnjinfl.com> Message-ID: See: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp and in particular the comment under the heading 'Existing versus new lists' On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 07:42 pm, James Pifer wrote: > I'm new to mailman and have everything setup except for one problem. > I've tried searching the archives but didn't find my resolution. > > I have it installed (version 2.1.2) and created a list. It seems fine > except that some of the links in the forms are not using my domain > settings, rather that have an IP address in the URL like, 192.168.1.99. > For example, when you try to subscribe the Subscribe button tries to > post to the IP address rather than the domain. > > I've tried setting the defaults for HOST and URL in defaults.py, but > still can't get it fixed. > > Can anyone tell me what I might be missing? > > Thanks, > James > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From chrisw at neill.net Wed Aug 6 21:07:00 2003 From: chrisw at neill.net (chris weisiger) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:07:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] running nimda test Message-ID: <3F3151D4.7080800@neill.net> i noticed the nimda test virus in the Mailman tar.gz file how do i test Mailman using the nimda test file? From jsmith at smittybuilt.com Wed Aug 6 22:16:06 2003 From: jsmith at smittybuilt.com (jsmith) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:16:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] There are humans at excite.com!! Message-ID: I went round and round with them but I never seemed to get anywhere with them. They also have not sent me any response to my latest complaint of it. Who knows. But them removing it is a good thing. -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+jsmith=smittybuilt.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jsmith=smittybuilt.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Paul H Byerly Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:51 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] There are humans at excite.com!! Hi all, It took four rounds of auto responders requesting headers to get a real person, but I now have word from excite.com that they no longer use the filter that identifies as spam mail with "long words" in the subject line. Excite Email Help wrote: >We regret you have not received an adequate response to your previous >emails. The filter you are speaking about is no longer in use by our >company. You should not have any difficulty sending emails that you >have described below. > >If you experience any difficulty, please send an email to >emailadmin at cs.excite.com. > >Regards, >Excite Abuse Department <>< Paul ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jsmith at smittybuilt.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jsmith%40smittybuil t.com From che at debian.org Wed Aug 6 22:50:39 2003 From: che at debian.org (Ben Gertzfield) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 13:50:39 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] running nimda test In-Reply-To: <3F3151D4.7080800@neill.net> References: <3F3151D4.7080800@neill.net> Message-ID: <3F316A1F.7000100@debian.org> chris weisiger wrote: > i noticed the nimda test virus in the Mailman tar.gz file > how do i test Mailman using the nimda test file? That file is actually only in the Mailman source code as a way to exercise the email parser package's MIME handling code; Nimda virus emails have particularly bad MIME parts, so we wanted to make sure Mailman's email parser didn't choke on them. There's no way to "test" Mailman using that file -- it doesn't even contain the whole virus, just part of an infected message. What exactly did you want to test? Ben From chrisw at neill.net Wed Aug 6 22:57:02 2003 From: chrisw at neill.net (chris weisiger) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:57:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] running nimda test In-Reply-To: <3F316A1F.7000100@debian.org> References: <3F3151D4.7080800@neill.net> <3F316A1F.7000100@debian.org> Message-ID: <3F316B9E.9040204@neill.net> i didnt know if there was a way to test mailman to detect the nimda virus...since there was a tests folder... ive been trying to google for information but i havent come across anything really about testing... ...so if there isnt anyway to test it... what do you mean by excercising the email parser package's MIME handling code.....is there anything to worry about and nothing to test really....and are the tests for developing purposes only? -chris Ben Gertzfield wrote: > chris weisiger wrote: > >> i noticed the nimda test virus in the Mailman tar.gz file >> how do i test Mailman using the nimda test file? > > > > That file is actually only in the Mailman source code as a way to > exercise the email parser package's MIME handling code; Nimda virus > emails have particularly bad MIME parts, so we wanted to make sure > Mailman's email parser didn't choke on them. > > There's no way to "test" Mailman using that file -- it doesn't even > contain the whole virus, just part of an infected message. What > exactly did you want to test? > > Ben > > From jas at nysia.org Wed Aug 6 23:01:12 2003 From: jas at nysia.org (Jaswinder S. Hayre) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:01:12 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Replaced sendmail with qmail - kaaputz Message-ID: <6547A5AF6882D6118FC100065B8872071F6B8E@msp101.nysia.org> Guys, I had Mailman working with Sendmail for a pretty long time, but today I decided to move to qmail. Once I installed qmail, that's when thing went downhill. First I had to recompile Mailman because of the change in GIDs. After recompiling and reinstalling I dropped my old lists into the lists directory, and now nothing is being sent out. My logs/post file says "Aug 06 15:52:15 2003 (6867) post to announcementshtml from mailman-owner at lists, size=1321, 1 failures" And another piece of strange behavior: my logs/bounce says "Aug 06 15:52:15 2003 (6867) Announcementshtml: jas at nysia.org - first" but I can succesfully send email from the list server to jas at nysia.org from the command line. It fails each and every time. The post shows up in the administrative page, I approve the posting but nothing ever goes out. The members of the list never get it, and the maillog doesn't have any record of the post going out either. This is Mailman version 2.0.13. I have been tweaking with things for hours on end without any good results, got any solutions? Regards, Jas From mailmanlist at obrien-pifer.com Thu Aug 7 02:49:35 2003 From: mailmanlist at obrien-pifer.com (James Pifer) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 00:49:35 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] IP's instead of FQDN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1060217438.14322.310.camel@tweety.tnjinfl.com> Thanks, worked like a champ. Now my next problem after fixing that one. Looks like the messages are getting stuck in the "virgin" directory? I'm using Sendmail and not sure I've done everything I need to do. I do have the aliases set up assuming I did it correctly. I have not search the archives on this one yet, but I will. Thanks for the help. James On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 14:56, Richard Barrett wrote: > See: > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp > > and in particular the comment under the heading 'Existing versus new > lists' > > On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 07:42 pm, James Pifer wrote: > > > I'm new to mailman and have everything setup except for one problem. > > I've tried searching the archives but didn't find my resolution. > > > > I have it installed (version 2.1.2) and created a list. It seems fine > > except that some of the links in the forms are not using my domain > > settings, rather that have an IP address in the URL like, 192.168.1.99. > > For example, when you try to subscribe the Subscribe button tries to > > post to the IP address rather than the domain. > > > > I've tried setting the defaults for HOST and URL in defaults.py, but > > still can't get it fixed. > > > > Can anyone tell me what I might be missing? > > > > Thanks, > > James > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From jwilliams at courtesymortgage.com Thu Aug 7 02:53:35 2003 From: jwilliams at courtesymortgage.com (Jason Williams) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 17:53:35 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New to mailman Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030806175046.027d8a10@pop.courtesymortgage.com> Hello everyone. Well, im brand new to mailman, but im very eager to get started. I wanted to ask a few questions to see if mailman is what im looking for. Basically, I need a mailing list manager to manage about 6 or so lists. Nothing fancy. It is going to be used exclusively for our intranet, to email our employees and certain departments. With that in mind, I noticed that mailman requires apache to run, as it allows users to subscribe and unsubscribe from lists. This is really a little overkill for our needs as I explained earlier. With that in mind, is mailman still something that would suit our needs? Granted, my personal perference is to keep our mail server as streamlined as possible, with as little services running as possible. Anyone care to share their thoughts and suggestions? I appreciate it. Cheers, Jason From che at debian.org Thu Aug 7 03:11:07 2003 From: che at debian.org (Ben Gertzfield) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 18:11:07 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] running nimda test In-Reply-To: <3F316B9E.9040204@neill.net> References: <3F3151D4.7080800@neill.net> <3F316A1F.7000100@debian.org> <3F316B9E.9040204@neill.net> Message-ID: <3F31A72B.7060206@debian.org> chris weisiger wrote: > i didnt know if there was a way to test mailman to detect the nimda > virus...since there was a tests folder... > ive been trying to google for information but i havent come across > anything really about testing... Mailman cannot detect email viruses. You can use an external email virus scanner for this purpose. > what do you mean by excercising the email parser package's MIME > handling code.....is there anything to worry about and nothing to test > really....and are the tests for developing purposes only? Exactly, the tests are for development purposes only, to make sure new bugs don't show up in the email attachment code (Nimda attaches itself to emails). Ben From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Aug 7 03:36:27 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 01:36:27 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & Ensim Pro 3.5.X for Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1060220182.2622.37.camel@Anncons4> On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 14:06, David J. Duffner - NWCWEB.com wrote: > So that's the question, to install it system-wide > or install it on a domain-as-needed basis. Majordomo > exists in each domain separately, but that's not saying > much. Switch selectable, can be tossed in seconds. > > Any advice appreciated! > > David J. Duffner > VP Operations > NWC Corporation > www.nwcxpress.com > My advice to you is that you install Mailman once per domain. If you do this, you'll actually find the install easier than on the RAQ, but still a Bi**h to troubleshoot. Since you've done it once on the RAQ, you have braved the waters of chroot, and you probably know the various tricks of getting a service to run inside a chroot. The last Ensim install I did, I had to install Python 2.2 for each domain as well as Mailman, in order to get it to work right - but that was an earlier version of Ensim with an earlier version of Python. I just nurtured one of my buddies through an Ensim install. He didn't listen to my initial advice which was to "RUN!" and don't look back at that client. If you're doing this as a consultant, be sure you tell the client that you are billing by the hour, and it's going be a lot more hours than they expect! Good Luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Aug 7 04:25:33 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 02:25:33 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Interface Problem In-Reply-To: <025301c35c20$714d3520$ca84acd5@ghana.com> References: <025301c35c20$714d3520$ca84acd5@ghana.com> Message-ID: <1060223116.2622.57.camel@Anncons4> On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 09:41, Mensah K. Agbessitse wrote: > Dear All, > > I have a mailman running on a Compaq PC with 128MB of memory and 7GB of Hard > Disk. The OS is FreeBSD. After a mass subscription of about 2000 email > addresses I cannot go to the administrative web interface for that > particular list. But I can go into other lists which have less email > addresses. > Can someone help me? What should I do? > > Bruno. > Sounds like it was a lock file problem. That being the case, it's probably working now. If not, check out the ~mailman/locks directory, see if there is a lock file on the list in question. The lock file will contain the name of the list and the id of the process, you can do a: ps aux to see if the process is still running. If not, simply delete the lock file and then try to open the list using the Administrative interface. Best of luck - Jon Carnes From falk at isi.edu Thu Aug 7 06:54:30 2003 From: falk at isi.edu (Aaron Falk) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:54:30 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] new version of mailman installed in different place... Message-ID: <20030807045430.GC2133@isi.edu> Hi- I just upgraded from RH7.3 to RH9 and, while I had initially installed mailman 2.0.13 in /usr/share/mailman, I let RH install 2.1 during the upgrade. Afterwards, I discovered that the new location is /var/mailman. I thought that moving the lists to the new location would be a simple matter. As user mailman I tarred up the mailman/archive/* and mailman/lists/* directories, moved them to the new location, and untarred them. I restarted httpd and could get to the list admin login page but, upon logging in, I get an error. Also, the lists are not forwarding mail. (The lists are primarily for a bunch of YMCA programs which are moribund during the summer so there is no traffic at this time.) Can anyone suggest either a way to fix my current move/upgrade strategy or tell me the right way to start over? I'm pasting in the error message below. Thanks, --aaron ==================================================== Bug in Mailman version 2.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 82, in main cgidata.getvalue('adminpw', '')): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 216, in WebAuthenticate ac = self.Authenticate(authcontexts, response, user) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 182, in Authenticate self.Save() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 505, in Save self.__save(dict) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 463, in __save fp = open(fname_tmp, 'w') IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/mailman/lists/test/config.pck.tmp.nit.isi.edu.2223' -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 24 2003, 19:13:11) [GCC 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-4)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Environment variables: Variable Value CONTENT_LENGTH 16 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_REFERER http://nit.isi.edu/mailman/admin/test SCRIPT_FILENAME /var/mailman/cgi-bin/admin PYTHONPATH /var/mailman SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux) SERVER_ADMIN root at localhost SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admin SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/2.0.40 Server at nit Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD POST HTTP_HOST nit.isi.edu PATH_INFO /test SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL no-cache REQUEST_URI /mailman/admin/test HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/msword, */* PATH_TRANSLATED /var/www/html/test HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1) HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive SERVER_NAME nit REMOTE_ADDR 64.81.33.165 REMOTE_PORT 1373 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us UNIQUE_ID RQE4DIAJoHQAAAQ3NR8AAAAD SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 REMOTE_HOST dsl081-033-165.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate SERVER_ADDR 128.9.160.116 DOCUMENT_ROOT /var/www/html From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu Aug 7 08:45:13 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:45:13 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] IP's instead of FQDN In-Reply-To: <1060217438.14322.310.camel@tweety.tnjinfl.com> Message-ID: On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 01:50 am, James Pifer wrote: > Thanks, worked like a champ. > > Now my next problem after fixing that one. Looks like the messages are > getting stuck in the "virgin" directory? Have you started Mailman's qrunner daemons by executing $prefix/bin/mailmanctl start? > I'm using Sendmail and not sure > I've done everything I need to do. I do have the aliases set up > assuming > I did it correctly. > > I have not search the archives on this one yet, but I will. > > Thanks for the help. > James > > On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 14:56, Richard Barrett wrote: >> See: >> >> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp >> >> and in particular the comment under the heading 'Existing versus new >> lists' >> >> On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 07:42 pm, James Pifer wrote: >> >>> I'm new to mailman and have everything setup except for one problem. >>> I've tried searching the archives but didn't find my resolution. >>> >>> I have it installed (version 2.1.2) and created a list. It seems fine >>> except that some of the links in the forms are not using my domain >>> settings, rather that have an IP address in the URL like, >>> 192.168.1.99. >>> For example, when you try to subscribe the Subscribe button tries to >>> post to the IP address rather than the domain. >>> >>> I've tried setting the defaults for HOST and URL in defaults.py, but >>> still can't get it fixed. >>> >>> Can anyone tell me what I might be missing? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> James >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk Thu Aug 7 10:21:03 2003 From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 09:21:03 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no mail... looks like an exim config problem In-Reply-To: <1060191746.11299.27.camel@lorax.forestry.umn.edu> References: <1060190038.11299.17.camel@lorax.forestry.umn.edu> <1060191746.11299.27.camel@lorax.forestry.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1060244462.6086.12.camel@angua.localnet> On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 18:42, Kirk R. Wythers wrote: > I need to configure exim for a virtual domain. The uname of my machine > in lorax.forestry.umn.edu, the virtual domain that I want to run mailman > to/from is neighborsunited.net. > > Here is the exim log error: > 2003-08-06 12:14:53 remote host address is the local host: > neighborsunited.net (while verifying > from > host localhost.forestry.umn.edu (lorax.forestry.umn.edu) [::1]) So you basically have an exim problem. You might well do better asking on the exim lists - see http://www.exim.org/mailman/listinfo > If I add the domain neighborsunited.net as the primary hostname, will > that take care of it? No. primary_hostname is whats used in the HELO lines and Received: tracking lines. > # primary_hostname = > primary_hostname = neighborsunited.net > > or do I also need something here? > > domainlist local_domains = @ > domainlist relay_to_domains = > hostlist relay_from_hosts = localhost > > Lastly, how does one HUP exim? Seriously, do you really feel you are an appropriate person to be connecting a mail system to a large, complex and hostile network of systems? You really need to have some idea of the fundamentals of internet mail before you start trying to run your own servers or mailing lists. BTW if you are running Mailman as a virtual under exim then normally you want things set roughly like this under exim:- * primary_hostname should not be set *unless* your machine does not know its own hostname (or the hostname does not agree with the DNS data for that IP) * local_domains may contain an @ (shorthand for $primary_hostname) but in general most systems to not have that. You would however have a list (colon separated) of the domains you accept (as a termination point - not a relay point) mail for. Your mailman domain should be listed here - but also see the Mailman howto in both the mailman distribution and on the exim web site. * Before starting your mail system up make damn sure things are configured appropriately for local delivery etc, otherwise you will lose local mail. * Before starting a mail server on an externally connected network make damn sure your ACL settings are sensible, otherwise you become an open relay. * Restart exim by sending the process a kill -HUP - ie kill -HUP `cat /var/run/exim.pid` alternatively use the system startup script to stop and restart it. Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From mmuserslist at nwcweb.com Thu Aug 7 14:33:14 2003 From: mmuserslist at nwcweb.com (David J. Duffner - NWCWEB.com) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 08:33:14 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & Ensim Pro 3.5.X for Linux In-Reply-To: <1060220182.2622.37.camel@Anncons4> Message-ID: >-----Original Message----- >From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] >Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 9:36 PM >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & Ensim Pro 3.5.X for Linux > >On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 14:06, David J. Duffner - NWCWEB.com wrote: > >> So that's the question, to install it system-wide >> or install it on a domain-as-needed basis. Majordomo >> exists in each domain separately, but that's not saying >> much. Switch selectable, can be tossed in seconds. >> >> Any advice appreciated! >> >> David J. Duffner > >My advice to you is that you install Mailman once per >domain. If you do this, you'll actually find the install >easier than on the RAQ, but still a Bi**h to troubleshoot. I must admit, once it was shoved kicking and screaming into the RaQ I never had a single issue with it's operation from that point forward. Worked like a champ! >Since you've done it once on the RAQ, you have braved the waters of >chroot, and you probably know the various tricks of getting >a service to run inside a chroot. The last Ensim install I did, >I had to install Python 2.2 for each domain as well as Mailman, >in order to get it to work right - but that was an earlier >version of Ensim with an earlier version of Python. This may be where I get an advantage... With Ensim Pro 3.5.XX, it almost looks like they heard the pleas to use Mailman as there's little tidbits of code in various files that can be turned on to ensure it works properly. Not a word anywhere about using it, but it's still there. With 3.5.XX, Python's actually pre-installed and appears just like Perl, CGI, etc. in each domain's space. Again, as I mentioned, it's like mini-RaQ's vs. one OS that doles out shared resources from the center of RH and makes you try to symlink and tie everything together. That's why I asked should I go system-wide or domain by domain, because it looks like they geared it to be installed d-by-d. They've done the same thing with Miva Merchant, if you select to provide it then it dumps a new core in each domain including the Empresa engines. The RaQ just dumped one core in and you were on your own. >I just nurtured one of my buddies through an Ensim install. >He didn't listen to my initial advice which was to "RUN!" >and don't look back at that client. LOL, actually I must say the Pro 3.5.XX series is much better than given credit for. I know the versions prior were a nightmare. But in the new Pro series, all the complaints seem to have been solved. It's just missing any sort of realistic documentation to explain what exactly they decided to do to fix things and what works what. >If you're doing this as a consultant, be sure you tell the >client that you are billing by the hour, and it's going be >a lot more hours than they expect! Heh, no it's internal, that's why they pay me the big bucks! Wait.. ok, just bucks... Wait... when DID I get a paycheck last? David J. Duffner VP Operations NWC Corporation NWCWEB.com http://www.nwcweb.com -------------------------------------------- NWCWEB.com - Your design, hosting and e- commerce solution! Featuring Miva Merchant e-commerce & Ensim Pro/Linux based platforms NWC Corporation - Global e-Pay Solutions POSA terminals, Merchant Accounts, E-payment solutions, Gift Cards and much more! -------------------------------------------- From mailmanlist at obrien-pifer.com Thu Aug 7 15:04:25 2003 From: mailmanlist at obrien-pifer.com (James Pifer) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 13:04:25 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] IP's instead of FQDN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1060261532.29230.317.camel@tweety.tnjinfl.com> No I hadn't started that. Is that something I should add to rc.local so it starts every time the box is restarted? Something is still screwed up in my Sendmail config. I tried to post a message to my new list and got the following: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post stoneware-users" (reason: Service unavailable) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- smrsh: "mailman" not available for sendmail programs (stat failed) 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable ---- Thanks, James On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 02:45, Richard Barrett wrote: > On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 01:50 am, James Pifer wrote: > > > Thanks, worked like a champ. > > > > Now my next problem after fixing that one. Looks like the messages are > > getting stuck in the "virgin" directory? > > Have you started Mailman's qrunner daemons by executing > $prefix/bin/mailmanctl start? > > > I'm using Sendmail and not sure > > I've done everything I need to do. I do have the aliases set up > > assuming > > I did it correctly. > > > > I have not search the archives on this one yet, but I will. > > > > Thanks for the help. > > James > > > > On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 14:56, Richard Barrett wrote: > >> See: > >> > >> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp > >> > >> and in particular the comment under the heading 'Existing versus new > >> lists' > >> > >> On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 07:42 pm, James Pifer wrote: > >> > >>> I'm new to mailman and have everything setup except for one problem. > >>> I've tried searching the archives but didn't find my resolution. > >>> > >>> I have it installed (version 2.1.2) and created a list. It seems fine > >>> except that some of the links in the forms are not using my domain > >>> settings, rather that have an IP address in the URL like, > >>> 192.168.1.99. > >>> For example, when you try to subscribe the Subscribe button tries to > >>> post to the IP address rather than the domain. > >>> > >>> I've tried setting the defaults for HOST and URL in defaults.py, but > >>> still can't get it fixed. > >>> > >>> Can anyone tell me what I might be missing? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> James > >>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From blessedarrows at characterlink.net Wed Aug 6 17:20:08 2003 From: blessedarrows at characterlink.net (Blessed Arrows) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 10:20:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approving messages Message-ID: <3F311CA8.4040204@characterlink.net> Is there a way to approve posts by replying to the message pending email that we receive? If so, can you please give instructions as to how to do this. The instructions at the bottom of each message pending email are not very clear. Thank you, Cindy McDaniels From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk Thu Aug 7 15:58:19 2003 From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:58:19 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] IP's instead of FQDN In-Reply-To: <1060261532.29230.317.camel@tweety.tnjinfl.com> Message-ID: <3366F886-C8DF-11D7-9681-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> I can only assume that you haven't read all of the notes in the INSTALL and README.SENDMAIL documentation files in the Mailman build directory. If that is because you did not install from source then I suggest you download the MM source distribution from: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103 and unpack it to get at those two files. On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 02:05 pm, James Pifer wrote: > No I hadn't started that. Is that something I should add to rc.local so > it starts every time the box is restarted? > Covered in the INSTALL file > Something is still screwed up in my Sendmail config. I tried to post a > message to my new list and got the following: > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post stoneware-users" > (reason: Service unavailable) > (expanded from: ) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > smrsh: "mailman" not available for sendmail programs (stat failed) > 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable > ---- > Covered in the README.SENDMAIL file > Thanks, > James > > > On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 02:45, Richard Barrett wrote: >> On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 01:50 am, James Pifer wrote: >> >>> Thanks, worked like a champ. >>> >>> Now my next problem after fixing that one. Looks like the messages >>> are >>> getting stuck in the "virgin" directory? >> >> Have you started Mailman's qrunner daemons by executing >> $prefix/bin/mailmanctl start? >> >>> I'm using Sendmail and not sure >>> I've done everything I need to do. I do have the aliases set up >>> assuming >>> I did it correctly. >>> >>> I have not search the archives on this one yet, but I will. >>> >>> Thanks for the help. >>> James >>> >>> On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 14:56, Richard Barrett wrote: >>>> See: >>>> >>>> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp >>>> >>>> and in particular the comment under the heading 'Existing versus new >>>> lists' >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 07:42 pm, James Pifer wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm new to mailman and have everything setup except for one >>>>> problem. >>>>> I've tried searching the archives but didn't find my resolution. >>>>> >>>>> I have it installed (version 2.1.2) and created a list. It seems >>>>> fine >>>>> except that some of the links in the forms are not using my domain >>>>> settings, rather that have an IP address in the URL like, >>>>> 192.168.1.99. >>>>> For example, when you try to subscribe the Subscribe button tries >>>>> to >>>>> post to the IP address rather than the domain. >>>>> >>>>> I've tried setting the defaults for HOST and URL in defaults.py, >>>>> but >>>>> still can't get it fixed. >>>>> >>>>> Can anyone tell me what I might be missing? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> James >>>>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> Richard Barrett >> http://www.openinfo.co.uk > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk > From amyrynne at comcast.net Wed Aug 6 08:30:05 2003 From: amyrynne at comcast.net (Amy Rynne) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:30:05 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman for fan club Message-ID: <001f01c35be4$2d2b7640$6400a8c0@HP7975> Hello, I am interested in using Mailman for a fan club email list. I don't want a discussion list, just a monthly update for fans. Do you have any suggestions or can you point me to a webpage that will tell me more about what I need? Thanks, Amy From TwinsDad at tampabay.rr.com Wed Aug 6 19:50:09 2003 From: TwinsDad at tampabay.rr.com (Daniel A. Creed) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:50:09 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] too many hops specific example... Message-ID: <007301c35c43$2e26e110$650aa8c0@QUIGONN> Aug 6 13:55:49 vader sendmail[28771]: h76HtlCD028769: to=, delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=relay, pri=138581, relay=smtp-server.carolina.rr.com. [24.93.67.141], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h76Ha888021010 Message accepted for delivery) Aug 6 13:56:33 vader sendmail[28773]: h76HuWCD028773: from=, size=1953, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<006c01c35c42$3c7ba940$650aa8c0 at QUIGONN>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43] Aug 6 13:56:35 vader sendmail[28776]: h76HuYCD028776: from=, size=2416, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<006c01c35c42$3c7ba940$650aa8c0 at QUIGONN>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.82] Aug 6 13:56:34 vader sendmail[28775]: h76HuWCD028773: to=, delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30820, relay=smtp-server.carolina.rr.com. [24.93.67.141], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h76Har88021487 Message accepted for delivery) Aug 6 13:56:36 vader ipop3d[28779]: pop3 service init from 65.32.219.231 Aug 6 13:56:36 vader sendmail[28778]: h76HuYCD028776: to=, delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=31283, relay=smtp-server.carolina.rr.com. [24.93.67.141], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h76HeAmn027638 Message accepted for delivery) Aug 6 13:56:37 vader sendmail[28780]: h76HubCD028780: from=, size=2882, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<006c01c35c42$3c7ba940$650aa8c0 at QUIGONN>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.83] Aug 6 13:56:39 vader sendmail[28782]: h76HubCD028780: to=, delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=31749, relay=smtp-server.carolina.rr.com. [24.93.67.141], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h76HeDmn027669 Message accepted for delivery) Aug 6 13:56:40 vader sendmail[28783]: h76HudCD028783: from=, size=3348, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<006c01c35c42$3c7ba940$650aa8c0 at QUIGONN>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.83] Aug 6 13:56:42 vader sendmail[28786]: h76HufCD028786: from=, size=3814, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<006c01c35c42$3c7ba940$650aa8c0 at QUIGONN>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.84] Aug 6 13:56:41 vader sendmail[28785]: h76HudCD028783: to=, delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=32215, relay=smtp-server.carolina.rr.com. [24.93.67.141], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h76Hfb3M019082 Message accepted for delivery) Aug 6 13:56:44 vader sendmail[28789]: h76HuhCD028789: from=, size=4280, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<006c01c35c42$3c7ba940$650aa8c0 at QUIGONN>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.83] Aug 6 13:56:43 vader sendmail[28788]: h76HufCD028786: to=, delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=32681, relay=smtp-server.carolina.rr.com. [24.93.67.141], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h76HeHmn027741 Message accepted for delivery) Aug 6 13:56:46 vader sendmail[28792]: h76HujCD028792: from=, size=4746, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<006c01c35c42$3c7ba940$650aa8c0 at QUIGONN>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.82] Aug 6 13:56:45 vader sendmail[28791]: h76HuhCD028789: to=, delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=relay, pri=33147, relay=smtp-server.carolina.rr.com. [24.93.67.141], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h76Hb488021612 Message accepted for delivery) Aug 6 13:56:47 vader sendmail[28795]: h76HulCD028795: from=, size=5212, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<006c01c35c42$3c7ba940$650aa8c0 at QUIGONN>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.82] Aug 6 13:56:47 vader sendmail[28794]: h76HujCD028792: to=, delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=relay, pri=33613, relay=smtp-server.carolina.rr.com. [24.93.67.141], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h76Hb688021631 Message accepted for delivery) Aug 6 13:56:50 vader sendmail[28798]: h76HunCD028798: from=, size=5678, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<006c01c35c42$3c7ba940$650aa8c0 at QUIGONN>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.82] Aug 6 13:56:49 vader sendmail[28797]: h76HulCD028795: to=, delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=relay, pri=34079, relay=smtp-server.carolina.rr.com. 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[24.93.67.141], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h76HeRmn027861 Message accepted for delivery) Aug 6 13:56:54 vader sendmail[28804]: h76HurCD028804: from=, size=6610, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<006c01c35c42$3c7ba940$650aa8c0 at QUIGONN>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.83] Aug 6 13:56:57 vader sendmail[28807]: h76HuuCD028807: from=, size=7076, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<006c01c35c42$3c7ba940$650aa8c0 at QUIGONN>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.84] Aug 6 13:56:56 vader sendmail[28806]: h76HurCD028804: to=, delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=relay, pri=35477, relay=smtp-server.carolina.rr.com. 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[24.93.67.141], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h76Hgm3M020356 Message accepted for delivery) Aug 6 13:57:56 vader sendmail[28840]: h76HvqCD028840: from=, size=6146, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<006d01c35c42$5dc4c780$650aa8c0 at QUIGONN>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.84] Aug 6 13:57:58 vader sendmail[28842]: h76HvqCD028840: to=, delay=00:00:04, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=relay, pri=35013, relay=smtp-server.carolina.rr.com. [24.93.67.141], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h76HfWmn028593 Message accepted for delivery) Aug 6 13:57:58 vader sendmail[28843]: h76HvwCD028843: from=, size=6612, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<006d01c35c42$5dc4c780$650aa8c0 at QUIGONN>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.83] Aug 6 13:58:05 vader sendmail[28846]: h76HvwCD028843: to=, delay=00:00:07, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=relay, pri=35479, relay=smtp-server.carolina.rr.com. [24.93.67.141], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h76Hh03M020515 Message accepted for delivery) Aug 6 13:58:06 vader sendmail[28847]: h76Hw5CD028847: from=, size=7078, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<006d01c35c42$5dc4c780$650aa8c0 at QUIGAug 3 08:20:58 vader sendmail[18614]: h73CKuCD018614: SYSERR(root): Too many hops 26 (25 max): from <> via ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com, to Aug 3 08:31:56 vader sendmail[18619]: h73CKuCD018614: SYSERR(root): Too many hops 26 (25 max): from <> via localhost, to Aug 3 08:31:56 vader sendmail[18619]: h73CKuCD018614: h73CVtCE018619: postmaster notify: Too many hops 26 (25 max): from <> via localhost, to From QL162500 at exchange.Netherlands.NCR.COM Thu Aug 7 13:18:01 2003 From: QL162500 at exchange.Netherlands.NCR.COM (Laureijs, Quinten) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:18:01 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Simple question about "Protected groups" Message-ID: Hi all, One of our customer's requirements is that the application is able to contain protected groups: groups (or lists) that contain users' mailaddresses from which they cannot unsubscribe. I have gone through the admin pages on a test-machine and the online FAQ's but so far I haven't seen anything that could comply to my customer's requirement. Did I miss something or is it just not possible? Thanks in advance, Quinten --- Unix Administrator NCR Nederland N.V. From info at tahironline.co.uk Thu Aug 7 02:13:18 2003 From: info at tahironline.co.uk (info at tahironline.co.uk) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:13:18 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Huge Problem Message-ID: <000f01c35c78$b51a0c80$4a882652@allahmpcese5db> Please help me here. Some how my mailman list has been automatiacally reset somehow and i have lost all my previous entered contacts. How could this be and where have they gone? Please help me sort this problem out ASAP Thank you Regards Tahir From jdecarlo at mitre.org Thu Aug 7 16:16:55 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 10:16:55 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approving messages In-Reply-To: <3F311CA8.4040204@characterlink.net> References: <3F311CA8.4040204@characterlink.net> Message-ID: <3F325F57.2000505@mitre.org> Cindy, You are correct. Unfortunately, the exact step-by-step instructions will depend on the MUA (Mail User Agent or email program) you use. What Mailman does is send out the confirmation mail with two attachments. The first attachment is the original message so you can read it and be informed. The second attachment is the message you need to reply to if you want to approve or discard the message. If your MUA allows you to reply to the attached message, the instructions are reasonable. If your MUA does not allow you to do this, you have to compose a new message and copy the Subject: of this attachment and make sure you send it to the address. Here is a more complete example: First, the second attachment message: "Subject: confirm 390a5be57d976cd1b3954224f81d9e3c520e0e97 From: mylist-request at somedomain.com If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact, Mailman will discard the held message. Do this if the message is spam. If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting to the list. The Approved: header can also appear in the first line of the body of the reply." Second, you want to approve the message. Your message back to Mailman should look like this: To: mylist-request at somedomain.com Subject: confirm 390a5be57d976cd1b3954224f81d9e3c520e0e97 Approved: MyPassword Where "MyPassword" is the list administrator's or moderator's password. If your MUA allows you to make it part of the header, do so. If it doesn't make absolutely sure it is the first line of the text of the message. Third, you want to discard the message. Everything is the same except you don't put in the "Approved: MyPassword" line. Hope this helps. Blessed Arrows wrote: > Is there a way to approve posts by replying to the message pending email > that we receive? If so, can you please give instructions as to how to > do this. The instructions at the bottom of each message pending email > are not very clear. > Thank you, > Cindy McDaniels -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From jdecarlo at mitre.org Thu Aug 7 16:20:24 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 10:20:24 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman for fan club In-Reply-To: <001f01c35be4$2d2b7640$6400a8c0@HP7975> References: <001f01c35be4$2d2b7640$6400a8c0@HP7975> Message-ID: <3F326028.40704@mitre.org> Amy, I suggest you peruse the Mailman FAQ. Read some of the Introduction sections, then look at 3.11 for the type of list you want. Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Amy Rynne wrote: > Hello, > I am interested in using Mailman for a fan club email list. I don't want a discussion list, just a monthly update for fans. Do you have any suggestions or can you point me to a webpage that will tell me more about what I need? -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From mailmanlist at obrien-pifer.com Thu Aug 7 17:11:08 2003 From: mailmanlist at obrien-pifer.com (James Pifer) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 15:11:08 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] IP's instead of FQDN In-Reply-To: <3366F886-C8DF-11D7-9681-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> References: <3366F886-C8DF-11D7-9681-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <1060269132.29228.346.camel@tweety.tnjinfl.com> Actually I did look those over, but someone on another list (before joining this one) told me I didn't need to do all that. Obviously they were mistaken. I looked it over again and not being a sendmail expert I'm uncomfortable with the changes since this is my main mail server running MailScanner, etc. So I'm going to try putting it on another machine. Let me ask you this, more of a sendmail question. If I install Mailman on another machine, could I have it use the same domain, and have my main Sendmail server forward email for specific addresses, like lists, to this other mailman server? Would that work? The mailman server would be able to deliver directly. Also, if I do it on another machine, should I use something other than Sendmail? Are any of the others easier to integrate? From the files it looks like postfix. Thanks for your time. James On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 09:58, Richard Barrett wrote: > I can only assume that you haven't read all of the notes in the INSTALL > and README.SENDMAIL documentation files in the Mailman build directory. > > If that is because you did not install from source then I suggest you > download the MM source distribution from: > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103 > > and unpack it to get at those two files. > > On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 02:05 pm, James Pifer wrote: > > > No I hadn't started that. Is that something I should add to rc.local so > > it starts every time the box is restarted? > > > > Covered in the INSTALL file > > > Something is still screwed up in my Sendmail config. I tried to post a > > message to my new list and got the following: > > > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post stoneware-users" > > (reason: Service unavailable) > > (expanded from: ) > > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > > smrsh: "mailman" not available for sendmail programs (stat failed) > > 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable > > ---- > > > > Covered in the README.SENDMAIL file > > > Thanks, > > James > > > > > > On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 02:45, Richard Barrett wrote: > >> On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 01:50 am, James Pifer wrote: > >> > >>> Thanks, worked like a champ. > >>> > >>> Now my next problem after fixing that one. Looks like the messages > >>> are > >>> getting stuck in the "virgin" directory? > >> > >> Have you started Mailman's qrunner daemons by executing > >> $prefix/bin/mailmanctl start? > >> > >>> I'm using Sendmail and not sure > >>> I've done everything I need to do. I do have the aliases set up > >>> assuming > >>> I did it correctly. > >>> > >>> I have not search the archives on this one yet, but I will. > >>> > >>> Thanks for the help. > >>> James > >>> > >>> On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 14:56, Richard Barrett wrote: > >>>> See: > >>>> > >>>> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp > >>>> > >>>> and in particular the comment under the heading 'Existing versus new > >>>> lists' > >>>> > >>>> On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 07:42 pm, James Pifer wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I'm new to mailman and have everything setup except for one > >>>>> problem. > >>>>> I've tried searching the archives but didn't find my resolution. > >>>>> > >>>>> I have it installed (version 2.1.2) and created a list. It seems > >>>>> fine > >>>>> except that some of the links in the forms are not using my domain > >>>>> settings, rather that have an IP address in the URL like, > >>>>> 192.168.1.99. > >>>>> For example, when you try to subscribe the Subscribe button tries > >>>>> to > >>>>> post to the IP address rather than the domain. > >>>>> > >>>>> I've tried setting the defaults for HOST and URL in defaults.py, > >>>>> but > >>>>> still can't get it fixed. > >>>>> > >>>>> Can anyone tell me what I might be missing? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> James > >>>>> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> - > >> Richard Barrett > >> http://www.openinfo.co.uk > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > > r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk > > From hchinn at hillel.org Thu Aug 7 17:33:44 2003 From: hchinn at hillel.org (Chinn, Hindy) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:33:44 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Length limit of list names Message-ID: What are the do's and don'ts of list names? Limit number of characters? Can there be spaces, dashes, underscores in name? Thanx hindy ---------------------------------------- H I N D Y C H I N N Asst. Director of Information Technology Hillel: The Foundation for Jewish Campus Life phone: 202-449-6542 fax: 202-449-6442 From hchinn at hillel.org Thu Aug 7 17:35:08 2003 From: hchinn at hillel.org (Chinn, Hindy) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:35:08 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing subscribers Message-ID: Can one subscribe a list of email addresses with their corresponding names (one email + name per line)? ---------------------------------------- H I N D Y C H I N N Asst. Director of Information Technology Hillel: The Foundation for Jewish Campus Life phone: 202-449-6542 fax: 202-449-6442 From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk Thu Aug 7 17:39:19 2003 From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:39:19 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] IP's instead of FQDN In-Reply-To: <1060269132.29228.346.camel@tweety.tnjinfl.com> Message-ID: <4F5BDC0A-C8ED-11D7-9681-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 04:12 pm, James Pifer wrote: > Actually I did look those over, but someone on another list (before > joining this one) told me I didn't need to do all that. Obviously they > were mistaken. > And they were quite right, you do not have to do all that, just some of it. The README.SENDMAIL document doesn't say do all of this; it lists things under headings which you can apply selectively depending on your circumstances. Given the error message you are getting from Sendmail contains the words 'smrsh: "mailman" not available for sendmail programs' I would be inclined to concentrate on the words in README.SENDMAIL that say: SENDMAIL `smrsh' COMPATIBILITY Many newer versions of Sendmail come with a restricted execution utility called "smrsh", which limits the executables that Sendmail will allow to be used as mail filter programs. You need to explicitly allow Mailman's wrapper program to be used with smrsh before it will work. If mail is not getting delivered to Mailman's wrapper program and you're getting an "operating system error" in your mail syslog, this could be your problem. One good way of doing this is to: - cd into /etc/smrsh (or where ever it happens to reside on your system, such as /var/smrsh or /usr/local/smrsh). - create a symbolic link to Mailman's wrapper program For example, if you've installed Mailman in the standard location, you can just execute these commands (you might have to do these as root): % cd /etc/smrsh % ln -s /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman mailman I would follow those instructions rather than cooking up some cooking up some even more complicated scheme. Changing from a working Sendmail to another MTA will not be painless. Depending on your installation you will probably find the GID that it runs as is different requiring a re-run of MM ./configure and make install If you have a working Sendmail server on your Mailman machine then all should be well if you follow the instructions. btw: INSTALL also refers to setting up the mailman wapper to run through smrsh with the words: Problem: I send mail to the list, and get back mail saying, "sh: mailman not available for sendmail programs" Solution: Your system uses sendmail restricted shell (smrsh). You need to configure smrsh by creating a symbolic link from the mail wrapper ($prefix/mail/mailman) to the directory identifying executables allowed to run under smrsh. Some common names for this directory are /var/admin/sm.bin, /usr/admin/sm.bin or /etc/smrsh. Note that on Debian Linux, the system makes /usr/lib/sm.bin, which is wrong, you will need to create the directory /usr/admin/sm.bin and add the link there. Note further any aliases newaliases spits out will need to be adjusted to point to the secure link to the wrapper. > I looked it over again and not being a sendmail expert I'm > uncomfortable > with the changes since this is my main mail server running MailScanner, > etc. So I'm going to try putting it on another machine. > > Let me ask you this, more of a sendmail question. If I install Mailman > on another machine, could I have it use the same domain, and have my > main Sendmail server forward email for specific addresses, like lists, > to this other mailman server? Would that work? The mailman server would > be able to deliver directly. > > Also, if I do it on another machine, should I use something other than > Sendmail? Are any of the others easier to integrate? From the files it > looks like postfix. > > Thanks for your time. > James > > On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 09:58, Richard Barrett wrote: >> I can only assume that you haven't read all of the notes in the >> INSTALL >> and README.SENDMAIL documentation files in the Mailman build >> directory. >> >> If that is because you did not install from source then I suggest you >> download the MM source distribution from: >> >> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103 >> >> and unpack it to get at those two files. >> >> On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 02:05 pm, James Pifer wrote: >> >>> No I hadn't started that. Is that something I should add to rc.local >>> so >>> it starts every time the box is restarted? >>> >> >> Covered in the INSTALL file >> >>> Something is still screwed up in my Sendmail config. I tried to post >>> a >>> message to my new list and got the following: >>> >>> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- >>> "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post stoneware-users" >>> (reason: Service unavailable) >>> (expanded from: ) >>> >>> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >>> smrsh: "mailman" not available for sendmail programs (stat failed) >>> 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable >>> ---- >>> >> >> Covered in the README.SENDMAIL file >> >>> Thanks, >>> James >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 02:45, Richard Barrett wrote: >>>> On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 01:50 am, James Pifer wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks, worked like a champ. >>>>> >>>>> Now my next problem after fixing that one. Looks like the messages >>>>> are >>>>> getting stuck in the "virgin" directory? >>>> >>>> Have you started Mailman's qrunner daemons by executing >>>> $prefix/bin/mailmanctl start? >>>> >>>>> I'm using Sendmail and not sure >>>>> I've done everything I need to do. I do have the aliases set up >>>>> assuming >>>>> I did it correctly. >>>>> >>>>> I have not search the archives on this one yet, but I will. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the help. >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 14:56, Richard Barrett wrote: >>>>>> See: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw- >>>>>> mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp >>>>>> >>>>>> and in particular the comment under the heading 'Existing versus >>>>>> new >>>>>> lists' >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 07:42 pm, James Pifer wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm new to mailman and have everything setup except for one >>>>>>> problem. >>>>>>> I've tried searching the archives but didn't find my resolution. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have it installed (version 2.1.2) and created a list. It seems >>>>>>> fine >>>>>>> except that some of the links in the forms are not using my >>>>>>> domain >>>>>>> settings, rather that have an IP address in the URL like, >>>>>>> 192.168.1.99. >>>>>>> For example, when you try to subscribe the Subscribe button tries >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> post to the IP address rather than the domain. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've tried setting the defaults for HOST and URL in defaults.py, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> still can't get it fixed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can anyone tell me what I might be missing? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> James >>>>>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> -- >>>> - >>>> Richard Barrett >>>> http://www.openinfo.co.uk >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>> Mailman-Users mailing list >>> Mailman-Users at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >>> Searchable Archives: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >>> >>> This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ >>> r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk >>> > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk > From jdecarlo at mitre.org Thu Aug 7 17:59:59 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 11:59:59 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing subscribers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F32777F.4070904@mitre.org> Hindy, You certainly can. Either via the web or via the command line. Mailman will accept various formats, too. I just use the format: Joe Smith Which works fine via the web or the command line. Chinn, Hindy wrote: > Can one subscribe a list of email addresses with their corresponding > names (one email + name per line)? -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu Aug 7 18:14:33 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:14:33 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Length limit of list names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3B4D11E6-C8F2-11D7-9681-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 04:33 pm, Chinn, Hindy wrote: > > What are the do's and don'ts of list names? Limit number of characters? > Can there be spaces, dashes, underscores in name? > I am not aware of any explicit length limits but I wouldn't write an essay in a list. Long list names can be inconvenient for users to type when posting etc Mail list names have to function as valid mail aliases, as a directory name and as part of file names in the server's file system so you have several constraints to consider. To complicate life, there is a set of mail aliases associated with any given list; for instance for the list called 'testlist' the menagerie is. testlist testlist-admin testlist-bounces testlist-confirm testlist-join testlist-leave testlist-owner testlist-request testlist-subscribe testlist-unsubscribe owner-testlist You want to avoid like the plague having a list whose base list name ends/begins with any of the suffices/prefixes. This will cause problems for instance if one list's -admin alias is another list's base name! Although mail aliases are notionally case sensitive, that way lies insanity, and few MTAs will distinguish mail aliases that are differentiated by case alone. Mailman treats all list names as case insensitive and the directory/file names associated with a list in the file system and in MM's web GUI interface URI's exclusively use the lower-case version version of the list name. Various characters other than a-zA-Z0-9 are entirely legal in mail aliases but will cause grief when used in file names. In some case they may also break code that decomposes mail aliases in a simple-minded, maybe even incompetent, way. There is little point in exploring the outer-reaches of such code's capability unless you are a masochist. I would suggest you stick to a-zA-Z0-9 and hyphen as characters in list names. > Thanx > hindy > > > > ---------------------------------------- > H I N D Y C H I N N > Asst. Director of Information Technology > Hillel: The Foundation for Jewish Campus Life > phone: 202-449-6542 fax: 202-449-6442 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From mailmanlist at obrien-pifer.com Thu Aug 7 18:44:51 2003 From: mailmanlist at obrien-pifer.com (James Pifer) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 16:44:51 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] IP's instead of FQDN In-Reply-To: <4F5BDC0A-C8ED-11D7-9681-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> References: <4F5BDC0A-C8ED-11D7-9681-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <1060274757.29137.358.camel@tweety.tnjinfl.com> You were right, it was the smrsh. I had changed before that last post, but hadn't tried it thinking I needed to do the other stuff. Now I get a group mismatch. It says to tweak the mail server to run the script as group mailman or re-run configure. I probably don't want to re-run configure unless that won't hurt my existing installation. How to I "tweak" the mail server to run the script as group mailman? Is that handled by this in the mc file? Mmailman, P=/etc/mail/mm-handler, F=rDFMhlqSu, U=mailman:other, S=EnvFromL, R=EnvToL/HdrToL, A=mm-handler $h $u If so, I would add that to my sendmail.mc and then apply that? Thanks, James ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "mail". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mailman", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mail'. 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2 On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 11:39, Richard Barrett wrote: > On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 04:12 pm, James Pifer wrote: > > > Actually I did look those over, but someone on another list (before > > joining this one) told me I didn't need to do all that. Obviously they > > were mistaken. > > > > And they were quite right, you do not have to do all that, just some of > it. The README.SENDMAIL document doesn't say do all of this; it lists > things under headings which you can apply selectively depending on your > circumstances. > > Given the error message you are getting from Sendmail contains the > words 'smrsh: "mailman" not available for sendmail programs' I would be > inclined to concentrate on the words in README.SENDMAIL that say: > > > SENDMAIL `smrsh' COMPATIBILITY > > Many newer versions of Sendmail come with a restricted execution > utility called "smrsh", which limits the executables that Sendmail > will allow to be used as mail filter programs. You need to > explicitly allow Mailman's wrapper program to be used with smrsh > before it will work. If mail is not getting delivered to > Mailman's wrapper program and you're getting an "operating system > error" in your mail syslog, this could be your problem. > > One good way of doing this is to: > > - cd into /etc/smrsh (or where ever it happens to reside on > your system, such as /var/smrsh or /usr/local/smrsh). > > - create a symbolic link to Mailman's wrapper program > > For example, if you've installed Mailman in the standard location, > you can just execute these commands (you might have to do these as > root): > > % cd /etc/smrsh > % ln -s /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman mailman > > > I would follow those instructions rather than cooking up some cooking > up some even more complicated scheme. Changing from a working Sendmail > to another MTA will not be painless. Depending on your installation you > will probably find the GID that it runs as is different requiring a > re-run of MM ./configure and make install > > If you have a working Sendmail server on your Mailman machine then all > should be well if you follow the instructions. > > btw: INSTALL also refers to setting up the mailman wapper to run > through smrsh with the words: > > > Problem: I send mail to the list, and get back mail saying, > "sh: mailman not available for sendmail programs" > > Solution: Your system uses sendmail restricted shell (smrsh). You > need to configure smrsh by creating a symbolic link from > the mail wrapper ($prefix/mail/mailman) to the directory > identifying executables allowed to run under smrsh. > > Some common names for this directory are > /var/admin/sm.bin, /usr/admin/sm.bin or /etc/smrsh. > > Note that on Debian Linux, the system makes > /usr/lib/sm.bin, which is wrong, you will need to create > the directory /usr/admin/sm.bin and add the link there. > Note further any aliases newaliases spits out will need > to be adjusted to point to the secure link to the > wrapper. > > > > I looked it over again and not being a sendmail expert I'm > > uncomfortable > > with the changes since this is my main mail server running MailScanner, > > etc. So I'm going to try putting it on another machine. > > > > Let me ask you this, more of a sendmail question. If I install Mailman > > on another machine, could I have it use the same domain, and have my > > main Sendmail server forward email for specific addresses, like lists, > > to this other mailman server? Would that work? The mailman server would > > be able to deliver directly. > > > > Also, if I do it on another machine, should I use something other than > > Sendmail? Are any of the others easier to integrate? From the files it > > looks like postfix. > > > > Thanks for your time. > > James > > > > On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 09:58, Richard Barrett wrote: > >> I can only assume that you haven't read all of the notes in the > >> INSTALL > >> and README.SENDMAIL documentation files in the Mailman build > >> directory. > >> > >> If that is because you did not install from source then I suggest you > >> download the MM source distribution from: > >> > >> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103 > >> > >> and unpack it to get at those two files. > >> > >> On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 02:05 pm, James Pifer wrote: > >> > >>> No I hadn't started that. Is that something I should add to rc.local > >>> so > >>> it starts every time the box is restarted? > >>> > >> > >> Covered in the INSTALL file > >> > >>> Something is still screwed up in my Sendmail config. I tried to post > >>> a > >>> message to my new list and got the following: > >>> > >>> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > >>> "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post stoneware-users" > >>> (reason: Service unavailable) > >>> (expanded from: ) > >>> > >>> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > >>> smrsh: "mailman" not available for sendmail programs (stat failed) > >>> 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable > >>> ---- > >>> > >> > >> Covered in the README.SENDMAIL file > >> > >>> Thanks, > >>> James > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 02:45, Richard Barrett wrote: > >>>> On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 01:50 am, James Pifer wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Thanks, worked like a champ. > >>>>> > >>>>> Now my next problem after fixing that one. Looks like the messages > >>>>> are > >>>>> getting stuck in the "virgin" directory? > >>>> > >>>> Have you started Mailman's qrunner daemons by executing > >>>> $prefix/bin/mailmanctl start? > >>>> > >>>>> I'm using Sendmail and not sure > >>>>> I've done everything I need to do. I do have the aliases set up > >>>>> assuming > >>>>> I did it correctly. > >>>>> > >>>>> I have not search the archives on this one yet, but I will. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks for the help. > >>>>> James > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 14:56, Richard Barrett wrote: > >>>>>> See: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw- > >>>>>> mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp > >>>>>> > >>>>>> and in particular the comment under the heading 'Existing versus > >>>>>> new > >>>>>> lists' > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 07:42 pm, James Pifer wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I'm new to mailman and have everything setup except for one > >>>>>>> problem. > >>>>>>> I've tried searching the archives but didn't find my resolution. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I have it installed (version 2.1.2) and created a list. It seems > >>>>>>> fine > >>>>>>> except that some of the links in the forms are not using my > >>>>>>> domain > >>>>>>> settings, rather that have an IP address in the URL like, > >>>>>>> 192.168.1.99. > >>>>>>> For example, when you try to subscribe the Subscribe button tries > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>> post to the IP address rather than the domain. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I've tried setting the defaults for HOST and URL in defaults.py, > >>>>>>> but > >>>>>>> still can't get it fixed. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Can anyone tell me what I might be missing? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>> James > >>>>>>> > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> -- > >>>> - > >>>> Richard Barrett > >>>> http://www.openinfo.co.uk > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------ > >>> Mailman-Users mailing list > >>> Mailman-Users at python.org > >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > >>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > >>> Searchable Archives: > >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >>> > >>> This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk > >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at > >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > >>> r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk > >>> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > > r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk > > From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu Aug 7 18:49:23 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:49:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Length limit of list names Message-ID: <19545B6D-C8F7-11D7-9681-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Begin forwarded message: > From: Richard Barrett > Date: Thu Aug 7, 2003 5:45:27 pm Europe/London > To: "Chinn, Hindy" > Cc: mailman-user at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Length limit of list names > > > On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 05:18 pm, Chinn, Hindy wrote: > >> Thanx for your reply.. >> >> So why wouldn't these listnames work? >> >> Alumni-hbispring03 >> Alumnihbispr03 >> > > There is no reason why, with a standard MM installation, that these > two mailing list names will not work. > > To try and confirm this I have just created and sent messages through > two lists with these names on my test system. This server is running > Suse Linux 7.3, Sendmail 8.11.6 and MM 2.1.2 > > When you say the list names did not work what do you mean. How does > the 'not working-ness' manifest itself. > > The problem is probably not inherently a Mailman one but maybe your > MTA is imposing restrictions of some sort. > > What type and version of OS. MTA and Mailman are your running? > >> But this did... >> Alumhbis03 >> >> hindy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] >> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 12:15 PM >> To: Chinn, Hindy >> Cc: mailman-users at python.org >> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Length limit of list names >> >> >> >> On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 04:33 pm, Chinn, Hindy wrote: >> >>> >>> What are the do's and don'ts of list names? Limit number of >>> characters? Can there be spaces, dashes, underscores in name? >>> >> >> >> I am not aware of any explicit length limits but I wouldn't write an >> essay in a list. Long list names can be inconvenient for users to type >> when posting etc >> >> Mail list names have to function as valid mail aliases, as a directory >> name and as part of file names in the server's file system so you have >> several constraints to consider. >> >> To complicate life, there is a set of mail aliases associated with any >> given list; for instance for the list called 'testlist' the menagerie >> is. >> >> testlist >> testlist-admin >> testlist-bounces >> testlist-confirm >> testlist-join >> testlist-leave >> testlist-owner >> testlist-request >> testlist-subscribe >> testlist-unsubscribe >> owner-testlist >> >> You want to avoid like the plague having a list whose base list name >> ends/begins with any of the suffices/prefixes. This will cause >> problems >> for instance if one list's -admin alias is another list's base name! >> >> Although mail aliases are notionally case sensitive, that way lies >> insanity, and few MTAs will distinguish mail aliases that are >> differentiated by case alone. Mailman treats all list names as case >> insensitive and the directory/file names associated with a list in the >> file system and in MM's web GUI interface URI's exclusively use the >> lower-case version version of the list name. >> >> Various characters other than a-zA-Z0-9 are entirely legal in mail >> aliases but will cause grief when used in file names. In some case >> they >> may also break code that decomposes mail aliases in a simple-minded, >> maybe even incompetent, way. There is little point in exploring the >> outer-reaches of such code's capability unless you are a masochist. >> >> I would suggest you stick to a-zA-Z0-9 and hyphen as characters in >> list >> names. >> >>> Thanx >>> hindy >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> H I N D Y C H I N N >>> Asst. Director of Information Technology >>> Hillel: The Foundation for Jewish Campus Life >>> phone: 202-449-6542 fax: 202-449-6442 >>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> Richard Barrett >> http://www.openinfo.co.uk >> > > From kwythers at umn.edu Thu Aug 7 19:06:58 2003 From: kwythers at umn.edu (Kirk R. Wythers) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 17:06:58 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] very weird behavior Message-ID: <1060276363.4754.203.camel@lorax.forestry.umn.edu> So here is the deal (with a fresh outlook and a good night sleep). I am convinced that I did get everything working yesterday. I took some futzing around with the exim config file, sendmail.cf and apache. The reason that I thought things were working was that I created a new list 'testlist' and it worked fine (i.e. allowed me to subscribe, sent me notice that I had subscribed, let me post, sent the post, etc...) But when I tried to use the old (imported) list, I got the error about: Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mailnull", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mail'. So I tied re-configuring mailman with gid=mail, that got me the error message Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mail", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mailnull'. This is clearly a loop... So this morning I go back to the 'testlist' and start poking around. It seems that everything works fine unless I turn on moderation, or aproval in the "required for subscription" field (anything that requires a message to be sent to the moderator/admin), then I'm back to the error: Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mailnull", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mail'. Any idea what is going on here? Kirk From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk Thu Aug 7 19:13:59 2003 From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:13:59 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] IP's instead of FQDN In-Reply-To: <1060274757.29137.358.camel@tweety.tnjinfl.com> Message-ID: <88A2F6B9-C8FA-11D7-9681-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 05:45 pm, James Pifer wrote: > You were right, it was the smrsh. I had changed before that last post, > but hadn't tried it thinking I needed to do the other stuff. > > Now I get a group mismatch. It says to tweak the mail server to run the > script as group mailman or re-run configure. I probably don't want to > re-run configure unless that won't hurt my existing installation. How > to > I "tweak" the mail server to run the script as group mailman? > > Is that handled by this in the mc file? > Mmailman, P=/etc/mail/mm-handler, F=rDFMhlqSu, U=mailman:other, > S=EnvFromL, R=EnvToL/HdrToL, > A=mm-handler $h $u > > If so, I would add that to my sendmail.mc and then apply that? > You really do not want to screw around with the UID/GID that Sendmail runs as. For a host of good reasons Sendmail is quite fussy about these things. Re-ruuning ./configure with --with-mail-gid (set to the value Sendmail is running with) and make install in your build directory will update your MM installation in a benign way, leaving your data files alone. But do run the mailmanctl stop, remove the Mailman crontab, preferably stop the MTA and Web server delivering access to the MM pages while doing the update. Also see the following: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.004.htp > Thanks, > James > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail > wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but > the system's mail server executed the mail script as > group "mail". Try tweaking the mail server to run the > script as group "mailman", or re-run configure, > providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mail'. > 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2 > > > On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 11:39, Richard Barrett wrote: >> On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 04:12 pm, James Pifer wrote: >> >>> Actually I did look those over, but someone on another list (before >>> joining this one) told me I didn't need to do all that. Obviously >>> they >>> were mistaken. >>> >> >> And they were quite right, you do not have to do all that, just some >> of >> it. The README.SENDMAIL document doesn't say do all of this; it lists >> things under headings which you can apply selectively depending on >> your >> circumstances. >> >> Given the error message you are getting from Sendmail contains the >> words 'smrsh: "mailman" not available for sendmail programs' I would >> be >> inclined to concentrate on the words in README.SENDMAIL that say: >> >> >> SENDMAIL `smrsh' COMPATIBILITY >> >> Many newer versions of Sendmail come with a restricted execution >> utility called "smrsh", which limits the executables that >> Sendmail >> will allow to be used as mail filter programs. You need to >> explicitly allow Mailman's wrapper program to be used with smrsh >> before it will work. If mail is not getting delivered to >> Mailman's wrapper program and you're getting an "operating system >> error" in your mail syslog, this could be your problem. >> >> One good way of doing this is to: >> >> - cd into /etc/smrsh (or where ever it happens to reside on >> your system, such as /var/smrsh or /usr/local/smrsh). >> >> - create a symbolic link to Mailman's wrapper program >> >> For example, if you've installed Mailman in the standard >> location, >> you can just execute these commands (you might have to do these >> as >> root): >> >> % cd /etc/smrsh >> % ln -s /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman mailman >> >> >> I would follow those instructions rather than cooking up some cooking >> up some even more complicated scheme. Changing from a working Sendmail >> to another MTA will not be painless. Depending on your installation >> you >> will probably find the GID that it runs as is different requiring a >> re-run of MM ./configure and make install >> >> If you have a working Sendmail server on your Mailman machine then all >> should be well if you follow the instructions. >> >> btw: INSTALL also refers to setting up the mailman wapper to run >> through smrsh with the words: >> >> >> Problem: I send mail to the list, and get back mail saying, >> "sh: mailman not available for sendmail programs" >> >> Solution: Your system uses sendmail restricted shell (smrsh). >> You >> need to configure smrsh by creating a symbolic link >> from >> the mail wrapper ($prefix/mail/mailman) to the >> directory >> identifying executables allowed to run under smrsh. >> >> Some common names for this directory are >> /var/admin/sm.bin, /usr/admin/sm.bin or /etc/smrsh. >> >> Note that on Debian Linux, the system makes >> /usr/lib/sm.bin, which is wrong, you will need to >> create >> the directory /usr/admin/sm.bin and add the link there. >> Note further any aliases newaliases spits out will need >> to be adjusted to point to the secure link to the >> wrapper. >> >> >>> I looked it over again and not being a sendmail expert I'm >>> uncomfortable >>> with the changes since this is my main mail server running >>> MailScanner, >>> etc. So I'm going to try putting it on another machine. >>> >>> Let me ask you this, more of a sendmail question. If I install >>> Mailman >>> on another machine, could I have it use the same domain, and have my >>> main Sendmail server forward email for specific addresses, like >>> lists, >>> to this other mailman server? Would that work? The mailman server >>> would >>> be able to deliver directly. >>> >>> Also, if I do it on another machine, should I use something other >>> than >>> Sendmail? Are any of the others easier to integrate? From the files >>> it >>> looks like postfix. >>> >>> Thanks for your time. >>> James >>> >>> On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 09:58, Richard Barrett wrote: >>>> I can only assume that you haven't read all of the notes in the >>>> INSTALL >>>> and README.SENDMAIL documentation files in the Mailman build >>>> directory. >>>> >>>> If that is because you did not install from source then I suggest >>>> you >>>> download the MM source distribution from: >>>> >>>> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103 >>>> >>>> and unpack it to get at those two files. >>>> >>>> On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 02:05 pm, James Pifer wrote: >>>> >>>>> No I hadn't started that. Is that something I should add to >>>>> rc.local >>>>> so >>>>> it starts every time the box is restarted? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Covered in the INSTALL file >>>> >>>>> Something is still screwed up in my Sendmail config. I tried to >>>>> post >>>>> a >>>>> message to my new list and got the following: >>>>> >>>>> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- >>>>> "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post stoneware-users" >>>>> (reason: Service unavailable) >>>>> (expanded from: ) >>>>> >>>>> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >>>>> smrsh: "mailman" not available for sendmail programs (stat failed) >>>>> 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable >>>>> ---- >>>>> >>>> >>>> Covered in the README.SENDMAIL file >>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 02:45, Richard Barrett wrote: >>>>>> On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 01:50 am, James Pifer wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, worked like a champ. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now my next problem after fixing that one. Looks like the >>>>>>> messages >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> getting stuck in the "virgin" directory? >>>>>> >>>>>> Have you started Mailman's qrunner daemons by executing >>>>>> $prefix/bin/mailmanctl start? >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm using Sendmail and not sure >>>>>>> I've done everything I need to do. I do have the aliases set up >>>>>>> assuming >>>>>>> I did it correctly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have not search the archives on this one yet, but I will. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the help. >>>>>>> James >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 14:56, Richard Barrett wrote: >>>>>>>> See: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw- >>>>>>>> mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and in particular the comment under the heading 'Existing versus >>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>> lists' >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 07:42 pm, James Pifer wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm new to mailman and have everything setup except for one >>>>>>>>> problem. >>>>>>>>> I've tried searching the archives but didn't find my >>>>>>>>> resolution. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have it installed (version 2.1.2) and created a list. It >>>>>>>>> seems >>>>>>>>> fine >>>>>>>>> except that some of the links in the forms are not using my >>>>>>>>> domain >>>>>>>>> settings, rather that have an IP address in the URL like, >>>>>>>>> 192.168.1.99. >>>>>>>>> For example, when you try to subscribe the Subscribe button >>>>>>>>> tries >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> post to the IP address rather than the domain. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've tried setting the defaults for HOST and URL in >>>>>>>>> defaults.py, >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> still can't get it fixed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can anyone tell me what I might be missing? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> James From jas at nysia.org Thu Aug 7 19:16:04 2003 From: jas at nysia.org (Jaswinder S. Hayre) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:16:04 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Replaced sendmail with qmail - kaaputz Message-ID: <6547A5AF6882D6118FC100065B8872071F6B92@msp101.nysia.org> Peter, It's a FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE box. All the necessary five processes are running for qmail: qmail-send, splogger, qmail-lspawn, qmail-rspawn, qmail-clean. The aliases are setup correctly, as follows: "|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test" in .qmail-test Yeha, I always see the mail in the admin page, but after I approve it, it doesn't go anywhere. And for some reason log/bounces notes all the members as bouncing, don't know why. I don't ever see any attempts to actually deliver the message in maillog. It has this kind of message "Aug 07 11:57:20 2003 (16657) Test: jas at bebinary.com - 3 more allowed over 431385 secs" for all the members of the test list. And the log/post always has "Aug 07 11:57:20 2003 (16657) post to test from jas at lists.nysia.org, size=141, 3 failures", notice the "failures" at the end. It always fails. I have not a single clue about whats going on. I tried about 10 reinstalls. I disabled sendmail totally. What changes do I need to make to Mailman when I change an MTA? I didn't make any changes to mailman. Maillog shows messages coming into the list server, but never shows any messages going out after I have approved them from the admin interface. Jas -----Original Message----- From: Peter Tattersall [mailto:ptatters at zerobyzero.ca] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:57 PM To: Jaswinder S. Hayre Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Replaced sendmail with qmail - kaaputz Which OS? I'm running qmail with Mac OS X 10.2.6 and Mailman 2.0.13 with no major problems. Just off the top of my head, if I shut qmail down incorrectly I'm sometimes left with locks which prevent qmail from starting up properly. Try 'ps -waux | grep qmail' from the command line to check on qmail status. There should be four qmail processes running. Make sure your aliases are set up properly so that mail can be delivered to your lists - though if you see the mail in the admin pages I guess they must be delivered properly. Did you disable sendmail? Did you change the MTA settings in Mailman? What does mail.log show? On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 05:01 PM, Jaswinder S. Hayre wrote: > Guys, > > I had Mailman working with Sendmail for a pretty long time, but today > I decided to move to qmail. Once I installed qmail, that's when thing > went downhill. First I had to recompile Mailman because of the change > in GIDs. > After recompiling and reinstalling I dropped my old lists into the > lists > directory, and now nothing is being sent out. My logs/post file says > "Aug > 06 15:52:15 2003 (6867) post to announcementshtml from > mailman-owner at lists, > size=1321, 1 failures" > > And another piece of strange behavior: my logs/bounce says "Aug 06 > 15:52:15 > 2003 (6867) Announcementshtml: jas at nysia.org - first" but I can > succesfully > send email from the list server to jas at nysia.org from the command line. > > It fails each and every time. The post shows up in the administrative > page, > I approve the posting but nothing ever goes out. The members of the > list > never get it, and the maillog doesn't have any record of the post > going out > either. This is Mailman version 2.0.13. I have been tweaking with > things > for hours on end without any good results, got any solutions? > > Regards, > Jas From nate at plsweb.com Thu Aug 7 21:57:02 2003 From: nate at plsweb.com (nate at plsweb.com) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:57:02 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Simple question about "Protected groups" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030807155702.A24083@plsweb.com> Hello, In Mialman 2.1.X there is an "unsubscribe_policy" setting on the "Privacy Options" page that might work: unsubscribe_policy (privacy): Is the list moderator's approval required for unsubscription requests? (No is recommended) When members want to leave a list, they will make an unsubscription request, either via the web or via email. Normally it is best for you to allow open unsubscriptions so that users can easily remove themselves from mailing lists (they get really upset if they can't get off lists!). For some lists though, you may want to impose moderator approval before an unsubscription request is processed. Examples of such lists include a corporate mailing list that all employees are required to be members of. n. On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 01:18:01PM +0200, Laureijs, Quinten wrote: > Hi all, > > One of our customer's requirements is that the application is able to > contain protected groups: groups (or lists) that contain users' > mailaddresses from which they cannot unsubscribe. > > I have gone through the admin pages on a test-machine and the online FAQ's > but so far I haven't seen anything that could comply to my customer's > requirement. > > Did I miss something or is it just not possible? > > Thanks in advance, > > Quinten > > --- > Unix Administrator > NCR Nederland N.V. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: nate at plsweb.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/nate%40plsweb.com -- Nate Perry-Thistle Director of Technology Performance Learning Systems http://www.plsweb.com/ 530.265.9066 800.255.8412 From gustavo at scire.coppe.ufrj.br Thu Aug 7 20:39:00 2003 From: gustavo at scire.coppe.ufrj.br (Gustavo Gouvea) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 15:39:00 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscribe Member limit? (add_members) References: <20030616083123.GA20933@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> <20030616203010.GC23050@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> Message-ID: <3F329CC4.149988E2@scire.coppe.ufrj.br> Hi, Im using redhat 8.0 + mailman 2.0.13. It happens that Im using add_members to mass subscribe 25,000 members. When I try to do it, the script tells me that several email adresses was already subscribed, but they were not. I use list_members and bingo! The emails informed as already subscribed are not subscribed. Is there a maximum number of members I can subscribe once? I seems that add-members The problem is that sync_members is even worse, because it can handle less than 3,000 adresses once and aborts if it finds any error. Im searching a syncronize solution. I was thinkin about deleting and adding all the members any time I need to sync the list. But I found that problem with add-members. Again: is there a maximum number of members to subscribe each time I run add_members? Thanks. From ewilts at ewilts.org Thu Aug 7 21:43:30 2003 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:43:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscribe Member limit? (add_members) In-Reply-To: <3F329CC4.149988E2@scire.coppe.ufrj.br>; from gustavo@scire.coppe.ufrj.br on Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 03:39:00PM -0300 References: <20030616083123.GA20933@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> <20030616203010.GC23050@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> <3F329CC4.149988E2@scire.coppe.ufrj.br> Message-ID: <20030807144330.A30594@www.ewilts.org> On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 03:39:00PM -0300, Gustavo Gouvea wrote: > Im using redhat 8.0 + mailman 2.0.13. > > It happens that Im using add_members to mass subscribe > 25,000 members. > > When I try to do it, the script tells me that several > email adresses was already subscribed, but they were not. > I use list_members and bingo! The emails informed as already > subscribed are not subscribed. > > Is there a maximum number of members I can subscribe once? I've done over 40,000 on Red Hat Linux 7.0 and mailman 2.0.13. When I saw the duplicate member error, it turned out that I had the same user in my text file twice, but with different case. Do a case-insensitive uniq on your input file and see if that helps. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org From mail at schoeppi.net Thu Aug 7 23:43:28 2003 From: mail at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:43:28 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stop the "who" request... Message-ID: <20030807214328.GB2023@athlon.schoeppi.net> Hello! Is it somehow possible to stop mailing out all the mailaddresses, when someone send a message to -request at domain.tld with a subject like who password or a mailboddy like who password I'd like to have this restriktion only to some mailinlists on my server, this lists are public an not moderatetd... Anny hint is wellcome! Best regards, Schoeppi -- Christian Schoepplein | Beste Rockband der Welt: http://www.lily-rockt.de mail at schoeppi.net | Linux fuer Blinde: http://www.blinux.suse.de From mail at schoeppi.net Fri Aug 8 00:03:45 2003 From: mail at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:03:45 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restrict number of subscribers for a mailinglists Message-ID: <20030807220345.GC2023@athlon.schoeppi.net> Hello! Can I somehow restrict the number of subscribers for my mailinglist? For example list1 should only have 100 members, list2 150 and list3 50 members? Is it ppossible to define a maximum number of listmembers? Best regards, Schoeppi -- Christian Schoepplein | Beste Rockband der Welt: http://www.lily-rockt.de mail at schoeppi.net | Linux fuer Blinde: http://www.blinux.suse.de From ptatters at zerobyzero.ca Fri Aug 8 01:03:23 2003 From: ptatters at zerobyzero.ca (Peter Tattersall) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 19:03:23 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Replaced sendmail with qmail - kaaputz In-Reply-To: <6547A5AF6882D6118FC100065B8872071F6B92@msp101.nysia.org> Message-ID: <584EFD14-C92B-11D7-8CB9-0003931C4CFA@zerobyzero.ca> In mm_cfg.py you may find that the delivery defaults need to be changed. In particular, DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' should be used. Make this change after the form Defaults import * line. On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 01:16 PM, Jaswinder S. Hayre wrote: > Peter, > > It's a FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE box. All the necessary five processes are > running for qmail: qmail-send, splogger, qmail-lspawn, qmail-rspawn, > qmail-clean. > The aliases are setup correctly, as follows: "|preline > /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test" in .qmail-test > > Yeha, I always see the mail in the admin page, but after I approve it, > it > doesn't go anywhere. And for some reason log/bounces notes all the > members > as bouncing, don't know why. I don't ever see any attempts to actually > deliver the message in maillog. It has this kind of message "Aug 07 > 11:57:20 2003 (16657) Test: jas at bebinary.com - 3 more allowed over > 431385 > secs" for all the members of the test list. And the log/post always > has > "Aug 07 11:57:20 2003 (16657) post to test from jas at lists.nysia.org, > size=141, 3 failures", notice the "failures" at the end. It always > fails. I > have not a single clue about whats going on. I tried about 10 > reinstalls. > I disabled sendmail totally. > > What changes do I need to make to Mailman when I change an MTA? I > didn't > make any changes to mailman. Maillog shows messages coming into the > list > server, but never shows any messages going out after I have approved > them > from the admin interface. > > Jas > This message was sent to: ptatters at zerobyzero.ca > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > ptatters%40zerobyzero.ca > From subhasis at iopb.res.in Fri Aug 8 10:05:19 2003 From: subhasis at iopb.res.in (Subhasis Mahapatra) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:35:19 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] deleting a list. Message-ID: Hello to All How can I delete a mailing list and how can I change the name of an exesting list? With Best Regards, Subhasis Mahapatra From mailman at millspatentlaw.com Fri Aug 8 14:45:37 2003 From: mailman at millspatentlaw.com (MailMan) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 07:45:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin Attachments Message-ID: Can anyone explain to me why emails to a list administrator contain the footer as an attachment? Regular list posts do not do so. Is there a wayt to change that behavior? Thanks! From gustavo at scire.coppe.ufrj.br Fri Aug 8 14:58:10 2003 From: gustavo at scire.coppe.ufrj.br (Gustavo Gouvea) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:58:10 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] deleting a list. References: Message-ID: <3F339E62.A4DF107E@scire.coppe.ufrj.br> Have you read the docs? http://www.list.org/site.html Many admin tasks are done via command line... Subhasis Mahapatra wrote: > > Hello to All > > How can I delete a mailing list and how can I change the name of an > exesting list? > > With Best Regards, > Subhasis Mahapatra > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: gustavo at scire.coppe.ufrj.br > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/gustavo%40scire.coppe.ufrj.br From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Fri Aug 8 15:33:27 2003 From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:33:27 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Making customs logs Message-ID: <1060349510.1788.24.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> I would like to make a log that stores everyone that has unsubscribed. I have noticed that my logs seem to only go back about a month. I would like to have a permanent record, if that's possible. From ed.franckowiak at comcast.net Thu Aug 7 15:59:22 2003 From: ed.franckowiak at comcast.net (ed.franckowiak at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 13:59:22 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how can I get a list of all members of my maillist Message-ID: Folks, I using mailman 2.1.2. How can I get a list of all members of my maillist? I wnat to be able to cut and paste the list and put it in an email or another document. But I can only see it a few members at a time. Thanks, Ed Franckowiak edward at franckowiak.com From wythe001 at umn.edu Fri Aug 8 01:44:38 2003 From: wythe001 at umn.edu (Kirk R Wythers) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 18:44:38 CDT Subject: [Mailman-Users] error log reports miss spelled listname? Message-ID: <200308072344.h77Nicas001515@firefox.software.umn.edu> ?I have moved a list onto a new machine set up to handle virtual hosting. A newly created 'testlist' works perfectly. However, the moved list does not. The mailman error log reports the error: no such list as "miss_spelled_listname". The only other odd thing is when I querry 'owner' like this: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner I get this error: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mailnull", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "wheel". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mailnull", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=wheel'. It just doesn't make sense that there would be a real gid error if the testlist does all the right stuff (ie subscribes sends mail, accepts mail etc...) Ideas? From amyrynne at comcast.net Fri Aug 8 06:05:01 2003 From: amyrynne at comcast.net (Amy Rynne) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:05:01 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman for fan club References: <001f01c35be4$2d2b7640$6400a8c0@HP7975> <3F326028.40704@mitre.org> Message-ID: <00c001c35d62$3dd4a4b0$6400a8c0@HP7975> John, Thanks, I have already looked at that and I am using version 2.0.6 which comes with my hosting company. most of the setup in this article is in version 2.1. Will this work in 2.0.6? Is this the only reference? I'm having a tough time figuring this one out. Thanks for your help, Amy ----- Original Message ----- From: "John DeCarlo" To: "Amy Rynne" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman for fan club > Amy, > > I suggest you peruse the Mailman FAQ. Read some of the Introduction > sections, then look at 3.11 for the type of list you want. > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Amy Rynne wrote: > > > Hello, > > I am interested in using Mailman for a fan club email list. I don't want a discussion list, just a monthly update for fans. Do you have any suggestions or can you point me to a webpage that will tell me more about what I need? > > -- > > John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own > > > From QL162500 at exchange.Netherlands.NCR.COM Fri Aug 8 11:24:57 2003 From: QL162500 at exchange.Netherlands.NCR.COM (Laureijs, Quinten) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 11:24:57 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Simple question about "Protected groups" Message-ID: Hi, After upgrading from 2.0.13 to 2.1.2, the unsubscribe_policy becomes available and the customer requirement was satisfied. Thanks for your reply. best regards, Q. --- Unix Administrator NCR Nederland N.V. > -----Original Message----- > From: nate at plsweb.com [mailto:nate at plsweb.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 21:57 > To: Laureijs, Quinten > Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org' > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Simple question about "Protected groups" > > > Hello, > > In Mialman 2.1.X there is an "unsubscribe_policy" setting on the > "Privacy Options" page that might work: > > unsubscribe_policy (privacy): Is the list moderator's approval > required for unsubscription requests? (No is recommended) > When members want to leave a list, they will make an > unsubscription > request, either via the web or via email. Normally it > is best for > you to allow open unsubscriptions so that users can > easily remove > themselves from mailing lists (they get really upset if > they can't > get off lists!). > > For some lists though, you may want to impose moderator approval > before an unsubscription request is processed. Examples of such > lists include a corporate mailing list that all employees are > required to be members of. > > n. > > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 01:18:01PM +0200, Laureijs, Quinten wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > One of our customer's requirements is that the application > is able to > > contain protected groups: groups (or lists) that contain users' > > mailaddresses from which they cannot unsubscribe. > > > > I have gone through the admin pages on a test-machine and > the online FAQ's > > but so far I haven't seen anything that could comply to my > customer's > > requirement. > > > > Did I miss something or is it just not possible? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Quinten > > > > --- > > Unix Administrator > > NCR Nederland N.V. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%> 40python.org/ > > > > > This message was sent to: nate at plsweb.com > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman> -users/nate%40plsweb.com > > -- > > Nate Perry-Thistle > Director of Technology > Performance Learning Systems http://www.plsweb.com/ > 530.265.9066 > 800.255.8412 > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%> 40python.org/ > > This > message was sent to: > quinten.laureijs at ncr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/quinten.l aureijs%40ncr.com From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk Fri Aug 8 16:25:12 2003 From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:25:12 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error log reports miss spelled listname? In-Reply-To: <200308072344.h77Nicas001515@firefox.software.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1EE831F1-C9AC-11D7-9467-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 12:44 am, Kirk R Wythers wrote: > ?I have moved a list onto a new machine set up to handle virtual > hosting. A > newly created 'testlist' works perfectly. However, the moved list does > not. > The mailman error log reports the error: no such list as > "miss_spelled_listname". > Does the moved list have a directory called $prefix/list/ and if it is set for archiving a directory called $prefix/archives/private/ and $prefix/archives/private/.mbox? How/what exactly did you move when you moved this old list to the new MM 2.1.2 installation? Does this old list show up on the /mailman/listinfo and /mailman/admin URI response pages? Did you run prefix/bin/check_perms -f after manually moving this old list into the new MM installation area? Have you tried running fix_url against this moved list? > > The only other odd thing is when I querry 'owner' like this: > > /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner > I do not know what you are trying to achieve by running this command and what you mean by "querying 'owner'". What you are in fact doing is running the Mailman mail delivery program wrapper which is intended to be called by the MTA to deliver messages to Mailman. This wrapper checks the egid it is called with is that specified by the --with-mail-gid value from the ./configure during installation. As this condition is not being satisfied when you are running it from the command line you get an error reported to that effect. > I get this error: > > Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail > wrapper script to be executed as group "mailnull", but > the system's mail server executed the mail script as > group "wheel". Try tweaking the mail server to run the > script as group "mailnull", or re-run configure, > providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=wheel'. > > It just doesn't make sense that there would be a real gid error if the > testlist does all the right stuff (ie subscribes sends mail, accepts > mail > etc...) > > Ideas? From jdecarlo at mitre.org Fri Aug 8 16:51:11 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 10:51:11 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman for fan club In-Reply-To: <00c001c35d62$3dd4a4b0$6400a8c0@HP7975> References: <001f01c35be4$2d2b7640$6400a8c0@HP7975> <3F326028.40704@mitre.org> <00c001c35d62$3dd4a4b0$6400a8c0@HP7975> Message-ID: <3F33B8DF.1020706@mitre.org> Amy, I seem to have forgotten what the menu options are in 2.0.X. First you have to concentrate on making every subscriber set to "moderated" - I know there is a flag for this in 2.0.X, but I forget what it is called. This is the most important part. You can then make yourself able to post in various ways - subscribe and turn off the moderation flag, or add yourself to the list of people who can post unmoderated (I seem to remember this was also in 2.0.X). The rest is to make it nicer and cleaner - but it probably depends on what your hosting company will do for you. My guess is you can't edit system files. Anyone else out there who has maybe an archive copy of the old FAQ answer for 2.0.X? Amy Rynne wrote: > John, > Thanks, I have already looked at that and I am using version 2.0.6 which > comes with my hosting company. most of the setup in this article is in > version 2.1. Will this work in 2.0.6? Is this the only reference? I'm > having a tough time figuring this one out. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From kwythers at umn.edu Fri Aug 8 19:31:19 2003 From: kwythers at umn.edu (Kirk R. Wythers) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 17:31:19 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error log reports miss spelled listname? In-Reply-To: <1EE831F1-C9AC-11D7-9467-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> References: <1EE831F1-C9AC-11D7-9467-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <1060364222.53424.11.camel@lorax.forestry.umn.edu> On Fri, 2003-08-08 at 09:25, Richard Barrett wrote: > Does the moved list have a directory called $prefix/list/ and > if it is set for archiving a directory called > $prefix/archives/private/ and yes > $prefix/archives/private/.mbox? yes > > How/what exactly did you move when you moved this old list to the new > MM 2.1.2 installation? I untarred the achive, moved it all to $prefix/ and then ran ./fix_url > > Does this old list show up on the /mailman/listinfo and /mailman/admin > URI response pages? yes > > Did you run prefix/bin/check_perms -f after manually moving this old > list into the new MM installation area? yes... no errors > > Have you tried running fix_url against this moved list? yes... did that when I moved the list in oreder to get the list pointing to the right url > > > > > The only other odd thing is when I querry 'owner' like this: > > > > /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner > > > > I do not know what you are trying to achieve by running this command > and what you mean by "querying 'owner'". > > What you are in fact doing is running the Mailman mail delivery program > wrapper which is intended to be called by the MTA to deliver messages > to Mailman. This wrapper checks the egid it is called with is that > specified by the --with-mail-gid value from the ./configure during > installation. As this condition is not being satisfied when you are > running it from the command line you get an error reported to that > effect. If the gid wheel is a problem, then why do newly created lists work fine? I tied changing the group with: chgrp -v -R -L mailnull /usr/sbin/sendmail then restarting sendmail and mailman. But it has no effect. What else does the message 'try tweaking your mailserver to run the group mailnull mean I should try... obviously I don't know what is meant by the term 'tweaking' > > > I get this error: > > > > Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail > > wrapper script to be executed as group "mailnull", but > > the system's mail server executed the mail script as > > group "wheel". Try tweaking the mail server to run the > > script as group "mailnull", or re-run configure, > > providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=wheel'. > > > > It just doesn't make sense that there would be a real gid error if the > > testlist does all the right stuff (ie subscribes sends mail, accepts > > mail > > etc...) > > > > Ideas? -- Kirk R. Wythers Department of Forest Resources Tel: 612.625.2261 University of Minnesota Fax: 612.625.521 1530 Cleveland Ave. N Email: kwythers at umn.edu Saint Paul, MN 55108 USA From Rich.West at wesmo.com Fri Aug 8 19:34:58 2003 From: Rich.West at wesmo.com (Rich West) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:34:58 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + htDig Message-ID: <3F33DF42.2060301@wesmo.com> I realize this has come up often in the list, but hit a snag and was not sure where else to turn. I couldn't find much in the archives that addressed this, but if it is a duplicate, please accept my apologies. I've applied the htDig patches : http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/728836/templates-2.1.2-0.1.patch http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/732366/tz-2.1.2-0.2.patch http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/730769/tcache-2.1.2-0.3.patch http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/444879/indexing-2.1.2-0.1.patch http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/444884/htdig-2.1.2-0.4.patch And all were applied happily. The indexing appears to be happening correctly on the filesystem level since the htdig directory is being created, the conf file is being created, and if I manually perform a search (htsearch -c ), I do get output and results. However, I am not getting the search form at the top of the index.html page as is supposed to happen. So, as expected, I cannot search via the web interface. :( The index.html file *IS* being updated, but nothing is getting added to it (no search form)... I *believe* I followed the htdig docs to the letter, but it seems as if I am still missing something. Any help would be much appreciated! Thanks! -Rich From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Aug 8 21:34:12 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:34:12 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error log reports miss spelled listname? In-Reply-To: <1060364222.53424.11.camel@lorax.forestry.umn.edu> Message-ID: <49D8F08D-C9D7-11D7-A020-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 06:37 pm, Kirk R. Wythers wrote: > On Fri, 2003-08-08 at 09:25, Richard Barrett wrote: > >> Does the moved list have a directory called $prefix/list/ >> and >> if it is set for archiving a directory called >> $prefix/archives/private/ and > yes >> $prefix/archives/private/.mbox? > yes >> >> How/what exactly did you move when you moved this old list to the new >> MM 2.1.2 installation? > I untarred the achive, moved it all to $prefix/ and then ran ./fix_url >> >> Does this old list show up on the /mailman/listinfo and /mailman/admin >> URI response pages? > yes >> >> Did you run prefix/bin/check_perms -f after manually moving this old >> list into the new MM installation area? > yes... no errors >> >> Have you tried running fix_url against this moved list? > yes... did that when I moved the list in oreder to get the list > pointing > to the right url > >> >>> >>> The only other odd thing is when I querry 'owner' like this: >>> >>> /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner >>> >> >> I do not know what you are trying to achieve by running this command >> and what you mean by "querying 'owner'". >> >> What you are in fact doing is running the Mailman mail delivery >> program >> wrapper which is intended to be called by the MTA to deliver messages >> to Mailman. This wrapper checks the egid it is called with is that >> specified by the --with-mail-gid value from the ./configure during >> installation. As this condition is not being satisfied when you are >> running it from the command line you get an error reported to that >> effect. > > If the gid wheel is a problem, then why do newly created lists work > fine? > > I tied changing the group with: > > chgrp -v -R -L mailnull /usr/sbin/sendmail > > then restarting sendmail and mailman. But it has no effect. What else > does the message 'try tweaking your mailserver to run the group > mailnull > mean I should try... obviously I don't know what is meant by the term > 'tweaking' > Whenever /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman, which is a compiled C wrapper for the mailman delivery script is run, it checks the gid of the process in which it is being run. The wrapper is not the least bit interested about on which list's behalf it is being called and actually does not look at any list specific stuff. The wrapper expects that the gid of its process to be that defined to ./configure by --with-mail-gid when Mailman was installed. This information is compiled into the C wrapper when make install is run. If it is the correct gid then it does a setgid to the 'mailman' group before exec'ing the actual Python delivery script. This is a security measure. The message text, having told you what the problem is then suggests a possible course of action. But that suggestion is based on the assumption that the wrapper is being run by the MTA as intended and not by you from the command line. When you are running /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman from the command line, presumably as root:wheel, then the wrapper refuses to run the delivery script, and tells you why and offers a potential course of action. This is a fairly solid hint that running the wrapper that way is not going to get you very far; this is a complete red herring and distracting attention from whatever your real problem is. Now if this gid error occurs during some deliveries by an MTA to Mailman and not during others it suggest that the MTA is not always executing delivery scripts with the process gid set to the same value; which is pretty strange but that is an MTA configuration or whatever problem and not a Mailman problem. If that strangeness is linked to which list deliveries are being done on behalf of then that is down to how the MTA is handling different lists' mail aliases not to Mailman per se. > >> >>> I get this error: >>> >>> Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail >>> wrapper script to be executed as group "mailnull", but >>> the system's mail server executed the mail script as >>> group "wheel". Try tweaking the mail server to run the >>> script as group "mailnull", or re-run configure, >>> providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=wheel'. >>> >>> It just doesn't make sense that there would be a real gid error if >>> the >>> testlist does all the right stuff (ie subscribes sends mail, accepts >>> mail >>> etc...) >>> >>> Ideas? > -- Kirk R. Wythers Department of Forest Resources > Tel: 612.625.2261 University of Minnesota > Fax: 612.625.521 1530 Cleveland Ave. N ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Aug 8 22:01:18 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:01:18 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + htDig In-Reply-To: <3F33DF42.2060301@wesmo.com> Message-ID: <12DABEDE-C9DB-11D7-A020-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 06:34 pm, Rich West wrote: > I realize this has come up often in the list, but hit a snag and was > not sure where else to turn. I couldn't find much in the archives > that addressed this, but if it is a duplicate, please accept my > apologies. > > I've applied the htDig patches : > http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/728836/templates-2.1.2- > 0.1.patch > http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/732366/tz-2.1.2-0.2.patch > http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/730769/tcache-2.1.2-0.3.patch > http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/444879/indexing-2.1.2- > 0.1.patch > http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/444884/htdig-2.1.2-0.4.patch > > And all were applied happily. > > The indexing appears to be happening correctly on the filesystem level > since the htdig directory is being created, the conf file is being > created, Can you confirm you mean that the per-list htdig directories of the following form are being created: $prefix/archives/private//htdig are being created and that inside each of them there is a file named .conf Is there also a file called rundig_last_run and a bunch of ,db files in any of these per list directories? > and if I manually perform a search (htsearch -c ) While htsearch is used for index searching, it is not called directly from the form on the list TOC page with the integration but via the $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/mmsearch.py script. When you run htsearch -c are you specifying the configuration file path as: $prefix/archives/private//htdig/.conf > , I do get output and results. How have the search indexes being used by htsearch when you run it by hand been built? Did you run nightly_htdig by hand? What form do the URLs of search hits in the response returned by htsearch take? > However, I am not getting the search form at the top of the index.html > page as is supposed to happen. So, as expected, I cannot search via > the web interface. :( The trigger for this form to be added to a list's archive TOC page is a new message being sent to that particular list. And until nightly_htidg has been run (which can be done from the command lien as well as by cron) no per-list search indexes will be in existence. Are these criteria being met and yet still the form does not appear on a list's archive TOC page? > The index.html file *IS* being updated, but nothing is getting added > to it (no search form)... > Does line 757 (or thereabouts) of $prefix/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py contain the following text: d["htsearch"] = quick_maketext('TOC_htsearch.html', dict=h, This is the code that generates the form that is added to the html of the list's TOC page a few lines further on. If this line is missing then the patching has failed somehow. > I *believe* I followed the htdig docs to the letter, Do you mean the INSTALL.htdig-mm document in the Mailman build directory? > but it seems as if I am still missing something. > Check out my questions and get back to me. > Any help would be much appreciated! > > Thanks! > -Rich From Rich.West at wesmo.com Fri Aug 8 22:57:55 2003 From: Rich.West at wesmo.com (Rich West) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 16:57:55 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + htDig In-Reply-To: <12DABEDE-C9DB-11D7-A020-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> References: <12DABEDE-C9DB-11D7-A020-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <3F340ED3.9000305@wesmo.com> > Can you confirm you mean that the per-list htdig directories of the > following form are being created: > > $prefix/archives/private//htdig are being created > > and that inside each of them there is a file named .conf > > Is there also a file called rundig_last_run and a bunch of ,db files > in any of these per list directories? Yes, all of that did get created. >> and if I manually perform a search (htsearch -c ) > > > While htsearch is used for index searching, it is not called directly > from the form on the list TOC page with the integration but via the > $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/mmsearch.py script. > > When you run htsearch -c are you specifying the configuration file > path as: > > $prefix/archives/private//htdig/.conf Yes. >> , I do get output and results. > > > How have the search indexes being used by htsearch when you run it by > hand been built? Did you run nightly_htdig by hand? Yes. > > What form do the URLs of search hits in the response returned by > htsearch take? Well, they look like: htsearch -c htdig/test.conf Enter value for words: test Content-type: text/html Enter value for format: Search results for 'test' <....snip....>
**** [Test] test
<....snip....> >> However, I am not getting the search form at the top of the >> index.html page as is supposed to happen. So, as expected, I cannot >> search via the web interface. :( > > > The trigger for this form to be added to a list's archive TOC page is > a new message being sent to that particular list. And until > nightly_htidg has been run (which can be done from the command lien > as well as by cron) no per-list search indexes will be in existence. > Are these criteria being met and yet still the form does not appear > on a list's archive TOC page? Yes. I first added the following to my mm_cfg.py: USE_HTDIG = 0 # 0 - don't use integrated htdig, 1 - use it HTDIG_FILES_URL = '/htdig/' HTDIG_CONF_LINK_DIR = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'archives', 'htdig') HTDIG_HTSEARCH_PATH = '/usr/bin/htsearch' HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH = '/usr/bin/rundig' Then I changed "USE_HTDIG" to 1 and restarted the qrunner (just for the sake of sanity. :). I then sent a message to the test list. At once I got the message that was sent to the test list, I checked out the archives/private/test directory and saw that the timestamp on index.html was updated, that a directory called htdig was created, and there were a bunch of files (db.*, rundig_last_run, and test.conf) in that htdig directory. > Does line 757 (or thereabouts) of > $prefix/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py contain the following text: > > d["htsearch"] = quick_maketext('TOC_htsearch.html', dict=h, > > This is the code that generates the form that is added to the html of > the list's TOC page a few lines further on. If this line is missing > then the patching has failed somehow. I just checked, and it is there. Is the TOC_htsearch.html file supposed to be in a particular location? It is in templates/en/ right now... >> I *believe* I followed the htdig docs to the letter, > > > Do you mean the INSTALL.htdig-mm document in the Mailman build > directory? Yup.. that, and the docs on the website. I swear it seems like I missed something simple (and stupid) here.. I even confirmed that the permissions on the directory and all files were set correctly (owner & group, too!). Thanks! -Rich From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Aug 8 23:30:03 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:30:03 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + htDig In-Reply-To: <3F340ED3.9000305@wesmo.com> Message-ID: <78DC43CE-C9E7-11D7-A020-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 09:57 pm, Rich West wrote: > Yes. I first added the following to my mm_cfg.py: > USE_HTDIG = 0 # 0 - don't use integrated htdig, 1 - use it > HTDIG_FILES_URL = '/htdig/' > HTDIG_CONF_LINK_DIR = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'archives', 'htdig') > HTDIG_HTSEARCH_PATH = '/usr/bin/htsearch' > HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH = '/usr/bin/rundig' > > > Then I changed "USE_HTDIG" to 1 and restarted the qrunner (just for > the sake of sanity. :). I then sent a message to the test list. At > once I got the message that was sent to the test list, I checked out > the archives/private/test directory and saw that the timestamp on > index.html was updated, that a directory called htdig was created, and > there were a bunch of files (db.*, rundig_last_run, and test.conf) in > that htdig directory. > >> Does line 757 (or thereabouts) of >> $prefix/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py contain the following text: >> >> d["htsearch"] = quick_maketext('TOC_htsearch.html', dict=h, >> >> This is the code that generates the form that is added to the html of >> the list's TOC page a few lines further on. If this line is missing >> then the patching has failed somehow. > > > I just checked, and it is there. Is the TOC_htsearch.html file > supposed to be in a particular location? It is in templates/en/ right > now... > Assuming you are using en as the list language and standard templates, can you take a look at the file $prefix/templates/en/archtoc.html line 16 should read: %(htsearch)s This is where the results of the quick_maketext() on TOC_htsearch.html, that is the search form, get inserted into the list TOC page. This line should have been inserted into archtoc.html by the htdig-2.1.2-0.4.patch One possibility is that you may be using site, host or list specific templates and you generated these from the standard installed templates before applying the mailman-htdig and kindred patches. If so then these will not have been/could not be patched by the htdig-2.1.2-0.4.patch. In this case you will have to take a look at the htdig-2.1.2-0.4.patch file for the template changes made by the patch and apply these by hand to your local variants of the templates. The patch file is a unified diff format and quite human legible. Let me know what you find out/conclude. >>> I *believe* I followed the htdig docs to the letter, >> >> >> Do you mean the INSTALL.htdig-mm document in the Mailman build >> directory? > > > Yup.. that, and the docs on the website. > > I swear it seems like I missed something simple (and stupid) here.. I > even confirmed that the permissions on the directory and all files > were set correctly (owner & group, too!). > > Thanks! > -Rich > From cmullen at tcml.com Fri Aug 8 23:49:49 2003 From: cmullen at tcml.com (cmullen at tcml.com) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:49:49 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Courtney Mullen/TCML is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 08/08/2003 and will not return until 08/14/2003. I will respond to your message when I return on Thursday August 14th. For immediate assistance please contact Kathy Seery at ext 355 or kseery at tcml.com From Rich.West at wesmo.com Sat Aug 9 05:45:04 2003 From: Rich.West at wesmo.com (Rich West) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 23:45:04 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + htDig In-Reply-To: <78DC43CE-C9E7-11D7-A020-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> References: <78DC43CE-C9E7-11D7-A020-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <3F346E40.5080701@wesmo.com> > Assuming you are using en as the list language and standard templates, > can you take a look at the file > > $prefix/templates/en/archtoc.html > > line 16 should read: > > %(htsearch)s Yup.. it is there.. > This is where the results of the quick_maketext() on > TOC_htsearch.html, that is the search form, get inserted into the list > TOC page. > > This line should have been inserted into archtoc.html by the > htdig-2.1.2-0.4.patch > > One possibility is that you may be using site, host or list specific > templates and you generated these from the standard installed > templates before applying the mailman-htdig and kindred patches. If so > then these will not have been/could not be patched by the > htdig-2.1.2-0.4.patch. In this case you will have to take a look at > the htdig-2.1.2-0.4.patch file for the template changes made by the > patch and apply these by hand to your local variants of the templates. > The patch file is a unified diff format and quite human legible. Wait a sec... if I am reading that correctly, then existing lists would have been created using the standard templates which did not, obviously, have the htdig patch. Newly created lists would be created against the now-patched htdig templates, and they should work properly. Existing lists would have to have their templates patched accordingly. Is that right? If so, then it is likely that my installation IS working as expected. I will have to delete my test list and recreate it, then run some tests and observe the results. I'll let you know if I have any troubles there. Thanks for your help!! -Rich From mlecha at artengine.ca Sat Aug 9 14:23:00 2003 From: mlecha at artengine.ca (Michael Lechasseur) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 08:23:00 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Keywords header for Topics filtering Message-ID: <3F34E7A4.4090206@artengine.ca> Hi, I have setup Topics which are filtering posts with success, but am having trouble setting a Keywords: header. All of the msgs posted to the list are moderated by me, and posted manually to the list using the Approved: command in the first line of the msg. If I set a Keywords: header in the body of the email below the Approved: line, the filter seems to ignore the text. eg: Approved: password Keywords: exhibit If I place the Keywords: header above the Approved: line, the msg doesn't get approved. eg: Keywords: exhibit Approved: password Is there a way to use both at the same time? Is there an email client (Windows) that allows me to set a Keyword: header in the actual header of the msg? I am currently using Mozilla for mail. My thanks! From Rich.West at wesmo.com Sat Aug 9 17:06:49 2003 From: Rich.West at wesmo.com (Rich West) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 11:06:49 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + htDig In-Reply-To: <3F350876.4000603@wesmo.com> References: <78DC43CE-C9E7-11D7-A020-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> <3F346E40.5080701@wesmo.com> <3F350876.4000603@wesmo.com> Message-ID: <3F350E09.3030103@wesmo.com> Ok.. I think I know what I did.. I didn't restart the qrunner. As I wrote the previous email to you, I realized that I had _thought_ about restarting the qrunner, but didn't. I went through the whole process again: o Edit mm_cfg.py to set USE_HTDIR=1 o python -c 'from compileall import *; compile_dir("/Mailman",10,"/Mailman")' o /etc/init.d/mailmanctrl restart o bin/rmlist test o bin/newlist test o bin/arch test o Entered additional recipients via the web interface. o Sent a test message to the test list o /usr/bin/python -S /cron/nightly_htdig -v test (it complained about not having the centralized db files, but that seemed ok) o Pointed my browser at the test archives, and viola! The search ability was there! And searching worked! I'm not sure if it was the fact that I recompiled the mm_cfg.py file or restarting the qrunner which started things working, though. Now, I just have to go through and migrate the existing lists. :) Hopefully, that won't be too difficult. :) Thanks for all of your help! -Rich Rich West wrote: > Ok.. I blew away my test list, set USE_HTDIG=1, restarted the qrunner, > created the list with newlist, ran blow_away_htdig test, ran arch > test, and sent a message to the list. > > It seems likeit does everything BUT create update the index.html file > with the search info.. > > Perhaps I should start over from scratch... > > -Rich > > >> Wait a sec... if I am reading that correctly, then existing lists >> would have been created using the standard templates which did not, >> obviously, have the htdig patch. Newly created lists would be >> created against the now-patched htdig templates, and they should work >> properly. Existing lists would have to have their templates patched >> accordingly. >> >> Is that right? >> >> If so, then it is likely that my installation IS working as >> expected. I will have to delete my test list and recreate it, then >> run some tests and observe the results. >> >> I'll let you know if I have any troubles there. >> >> Thanks for your help!! >> >> -Rich > From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sat Aug 9 17:48:40 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 16:48:40 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + htDig In-Reply-To: <3F350E09.3030103@wesmo.com> Message-ID: On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 04:06 pm, Rich West wrote: > Ok.. I think I know what I did.. I didn't restart the qrunner. As I > wrote the previous email to you, I realized that I had _thought_ about > restarting the qrunner, but didn't. I went through the whole process > again: > o Edit mm_cfg.py to set USE_HTDIR=1 > o python -c 'from compileall import *; > compile_dir("/Mailman",10,"/Mailman")' > o /etc/init.d/mailmanctrl restart > o bin/rmlist test > o bin/newlist test > o bin/arch test > o Entered additional recipients via the web interface. > o Sent a test message to the test list > o /usr/bin/python -S /cron/nightly_htdig -v test (it > complained about not having the centralized db files, but that seemed > ok) I think you can resolve this by reference to the section under the heading "htdig Permissions Considerations" in INSTALL.htdig-mm When rundig is being run by 'mailman' cron as the 'mailman' uid it probably does not have permissions to create the 'shared' htdig db's. My hack is to give the 'mailman' group group ownership and write permission over the the common and db subdirectories of the htdig install (/opt/www/htdig/ or wherever yout htdig is installed), and the files there contained. > o Pointed my browser at the test archives, and viola! The search > ability was there! And searching worked! > > I'm not sure if it was the fact that I recompiled the mm_cfg.py file > or restarting the qrunner which started things working, though. > > Now, I just have to go through and migrate the existing lists. :) > Hopefully, that won't be too difficult. :) > Best of luck. > Thanks for all of your help! No problem. Pleased you are up and running. > -Rich > > > Rich West wrote: > >> Ok.. I blew away my test list, set USE_HTDIG=1, restarted the >> qrunner, created the list with newlist, ran blow_away_htdig test, ran >> arch test, and sent a message to the list. >> >> It seems likeit does everything BUT create update the index.html file >> with the search info.. >> >> Perhaps I should start over from scratch... >> >> -Rich >> >> >>> Wait a sec... if I am reading that correctly, then existing lists >>> would have been created using the standard templates which did not, >>> obviously, have the htdig patch. Newly created lists would be >>> created against the now-patched htdig templates, and they should >>> work properly. Existing lists would have to have their templates >>> patched accordingly. >>> >>> Is that right? >>> >>> If so, then it is likely that my installation IS working as >>> expected. I will have to delete my test list and recreate it, then >>> run some tests and observe the results. >>> >>> I'll let you know if I have any troubles there. >>> >>> Thanks for your help!! >>> >>> -Rich >> > > From jens at freebsdforum.de Sat Aug 9 20:29:15 2003 From: jens at freebsdforum.de (Jens Gutzeit) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 20:29:15 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner with over 90% CPU Message-ID: <200308092029.15296.jens@freebsdforum.de> Hi all, I'm new to mailman, I've it running on my mailserver for 2 internal mailinglists with low traffic (10-40 mails per day), nothing special, most text mails, a few Multipart-Mime mails and a bit HTMl crap. Now I've seen that qrunner has a high CPU usage, I had restartet mailman but that doens't change anything. Here's ps aux|grep mailman output mailman 1089 0.0 1.6 5980 3988 ? S 20:08 0:00 /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s -q start mailman 1090 0.0 1.7 5884 4268 ? S 20:08 0:00 qrunner /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s mailman 1091 0.0 1.7 5888 4272 ? S 20:08 0:00 qrunner /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s mailman 1092 0.0 1.7 5884 4268 ? S 20:08 0:00 qrunner /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s mailman 1093 0.0 1.7 5888 4272 ? S 20:08 0:00 qrunner /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s mailman 1094 0.0 1.7 5924 4308 ? S 20:08 0:00 qrunner /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s mailman 1095 95.4 1.7 5936 4360 ? R 20:08 8:39 qrunner /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ mailman 1096 0.0 1.7 5892 4272 ? S 20:08 0:00 qrunner /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s root 1421 0.0 0.2 1780 736 pts/6 S 20:17 0:00 grep mailman Well that looks something strange to me, I can't find anything special in the logs. I'm running 2.1.2 on Debian woody with Postfix-2 as MTA. The time for the qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s was at 683 before I had restartet mailman, for me it looks like an infinite loop, but what could cause this? BTW: I can still post to the lists, without any problems or high delay. Thanks in advance, Jens Gutzeit From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sat Aug 9 20:36:13 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 19:36:13 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner with over 90% CPU In-Reply-To: <200308092029.15296.jens@freebsdforum.de> Message-ID: <5A87796E-CA98-11D7-A020-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Take a look at: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg17786.html On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 07:29 pm, Jens Gutzeit wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm new to mailman, I've it running on my mailserver for 2 internal > mailinglists with low traffic (10-40 mails per day), nothing special, > most > text mails, a few Multipart-Mime mails and a bit HTMl crap. > > Now I've seen that qrunner has a high CPU usage, I had restartet > mailman but > that doens't change anything. > > Here's ps aux|grep mailman output > mailman 1089 0.0 1.6 5980 3988 ? S 20:08 0:00 > /usr/bin/python > /home/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s -q start > mailman 1090 0.0 1.7 5884 4268 ? S 20:08 0:00 qrunner > /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s > mailman 1091 0.0 1.7 5888 4272 ? S 20:08 0:00 qrunner > /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s > mailman 1092 0.0 1.7 5884 4268 ? S 20:08 0:00 qrunner > /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s > mailman 1093 0.0 1.7 5888 4272 ? S 20:08 0:00 qrunner > /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s > mailman 1094 0.0 1.7 5924 4308 ? S 20:08 0:00 qrunner > /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s > mailman 1095 95.4 1.7 5936 4360 ? R 20:08 8:39 qrunner > /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > mailman 1096 0.0 1.7 5892 4272 ? S 20:08 0:00 qrunner > /home/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s > root 1421 0.0 0.2 1780 736 pts/6 S 20:17 0:00 grep > mailman > > Well that looks something strange to me, I can't find anything special > in the > logs. > > I'm running 2.1.2 on Debian woody with Postfix-2 as MTA. > > The time for the qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s was at 683 > before I > had restartet mailman, for me it looks like an infinite loop, but what > could > cause this? > > BTW: I can still post to the lists, without any problems or high delay. > > Thanks in advance, > Jens Gutzeit > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From jens at freebsdforum.de Sat Aug 9 20:58:50 2003 From: jens at freebsdforum.de (Jens Gutzeit) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 20:58:50 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner with over 90% CPU In-Reply-To: <200308092029.15296.jens@freebsdforum.de> References: <200308092029.15296.jens@freebsdforum.de> Message-ID: <200308092058.50467.jens@freebsdforum.de> On Saturday 09 August 2003 20:29, Jens Gutzeit wrote: > Now I've seen that qrunner has a high CPU usage, I had restartet mailman > but that doens't change anything. Hmm, sorry I hate answering my own mails ;) Richard Barret had pointed me at http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg17786.html in private mail, that wasn't the problem, but after I had stopped mailman, restartet postfix and then started mailman again all is well. Seems like a problem with my system, sorry for bothering you with this. Jens From info at astropof.com Fri Aug 8 15:33:54 2003 From: info at astropof.com (Astropof inc.) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 15:33:54 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman for dummies Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030808153230.02040e30@mail.astropof.com> Hello We are testing mailman as main mailing-list software for our customers. Do you have somewhere on the web a mailman for dummies website ? We just want our customers to send a one-way newsletter Thanks a lot Mathias Astropof inc. Efficacit? et innovation, nous sommes votre partenaire sur internet ! info at astropof.com http://www.astropof.com T?l - Fax : +32 2 256 45 89 From william at collinsusa.net Sat Aug 9 04:24:48 2003 From: william at collinsusa.net (William Collins) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:24:48 -0500 (US Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up Mailman Message-ID: <3F345B70.000012.84747@oemcomputer> ?Can you set up Mailman for me? I have webspace, but lack the skills needed to download and set up the program. I have used Mailman in the past and really like it. Thanks for your time. Will Collins From sarma at gwup.com Sat Aug 9 22:03:22 2003 From: sarma at gwup.com (Amardeo Sarma) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 22:03:22 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing subscribers In-Reply-To: <3F32777F.4070904@mitre.org> References: <3F32777F.4070904@mitre.org> Message-ID: <18303796.1060466602@[192.168.168.100]> --On Donnerstag, 7. August 2003 11:59 -0400 John DeCarlo wrote: > Hindy, > > You certainly can. Either via the web or via the command line. > > Mailman will accept various formats, too. I just use the format: > > Joe Smith > > Which works fine via the web or the command line. > > Chinn, Hindy wrote: >> Can one subscribe a list of email addresses with their corresponding >> names (one email + name per line)? > I imported a text filewith one email address per line (almost 400 addresses / lines) via the web interface (mass subscription under membership management) without any major problems (except many bounces because some email addresses were not reachable). Amardeo. -- Amardeo Sarma sarma at gwup.com From mail at freelock.com Sat Aug 9 22:11:55 2003 From: mail at freelock.com (John Locke) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 20:11:55 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Admin sent to wrong domain--cancel? Message-ID: <1060459911.3927.26.camel@denali.freelock.lan> Hello, I set up a new list yesterday on a MM 2.1 server with Postfix 2.0.6. I've been running several lists on this machine, without problems, for months. The problem is, I mis-typed the domain name for the list administrator. Today, I noticed in the Postfix logs that this message had been bounced with a 450 temporary failure, domain not found. I removed the list with rmlist, and then set it up again, using newlist with the correct admin email address. The problem is, the message continues to bounce (in the logs) every hour on the hour, and I can't seem to find it anywhere. I checked in the qfiles/ directories, couldn't find it there. I tried stopping and starting mailmanctl. I checked all of the Postfix queues, and it's nowhere to be found. Where do I find this message, and how do I get rid of it? Thanks John Locke From texg at cavyinfo.com Sun Aug 10 05:16:05 2003 From: texg at cavyinfo.com (Tex) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 23:16:05 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message Sizes Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20030809231605.00d17b58@mail.cavyinfo.com> I'm sure this question has been asked before, but I couldn't find it in the FAQ. I kind of need to find an answer quickly, as we are setting up our list to take over for a previous one. I put in a help ticket to my web host, but they directed me here. If it's a bug. I'll be sure and pass the info along. Version 2.1.2 We are running a moderated list, so every message is set to be held for review. I set the Maximum length for a messge at 8KB (we tried varying it, all with eth same results). Normally, I'd expect (and it has worked in an earlier software version) it to flag the message for approval, and have a "message too big" rejection note waiting for me. Instead, the message is sitting in the approval queue with the standard "unappropriate content" note. We thought that it may be like the HTML notes - if a note with HTML (such as from AOL) gets approved, it goes to the list nice and pretty with no secondary HTML-markup-gobbledygook. So, we tried approving it. Nope, the oversize message gets pushed out. Is it because we have the list set to hold every message (meaning that the Moderators will now have to be sure to review message size, as well as content), or is there a problem? Can it be fixed, or do I need to delete then re-install my list? Thanks for any insight you can offer, Tex From akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU Sun Aug 10 13:17:04 2003 From: akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Akop Pogosian) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 04:17:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrong URL in the UPGRADING file Message-ID: <20030810111704.GA11982@csua.berkeley.edu> The UPGRADING file in the Mailman source distribution refers to http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2000-September/006826.html for details on updating template files. Recently, I noticed that this URL, for some reason, brings up an an unrelated message. The correct URL for the message that it was meant to point to is now at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2000-September/006822.html My apologies if this has already been mentioned before. -akop From maggie at mythandculture.com Sun Aug 10 15:55:11 2003 From: maggie at mythandculture.com (Maggie Macary) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 06:55:11 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A problem with request-mailist@mydomain.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20030809231605.00d17b58@mail.cavyinfo.com> Message-ID: Hi.. I've set up my mailist and it looks fine. The problem seems to be when people try to confirm via email their subsubcriptions, they are getting an email message that says there is an error with the request-mailist at mydomain.com. Now I'm sure I've done something wrong here - but I can't figure out what it is - I've double checked my alias file and my virtusertable - and both seem fine there. It seems like the request-mailist can send mail (I've gotten mail from it), but not receive it? Is that possible? Any help would be appreciated. Maggie From tony-mm at arielbusiness.com Sun Aug 10 16:15:56 2003 From: tony-mm at arielbusiness.com (tony-mm at arielbusiness.com) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 15:15:56 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public/private archives problem. Message-ID: Hi, I hope someone can help me with this: I am a web space reseller on a shared server. One of the features we get is mailman, which we offer to our clients. One thing I have noticed about it is that if a mailing list has a has a private archive, the address is http://clientdomain.com/mailman/private/listname, which is fine, but if the archive is public, then the address is http://myhostingprovidersservername.com/pipermail/listname - which is not fine :( This means that my clients can see the domain name of the underlying provider I am buying space off, and potentially they might jump ship. Is this something that can be fixed by me/the hosting provider, and if so, how? Many thanks, Tony From mail at freelock.com Sun Aug 10 17:12:03 2003 From: mail at freelock.com (John Locke) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 08:12:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how can I get a list of all members of my maillist In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F3660C3.90707@freelock.com> 1. Use the command line: list_members You can also use the shell to put this in a file for you: list_members my_list > my_list_members.txt 2. If your list is small, edit Mailman/mm_cfg.py, adding a line that sets the chunksize (the number of list members to show on that page) to a number bigger than the number of subscribers (this affects all lists on the Mailman installation): DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 200 Cheers, John Locke ed.franckowiak at comcast.net wrote: >Folks, >I using mailman 2.1.2. How can I get a list of all members of my maillist? >I wnat to be able to cut and paste the list and put it in an email or another >document. But I can only see it a few members at a time. >Thanks, >Ed Franckowiak >edward at franckowiak.com > > From paul at thcwd.com Mon Aug 11 00:13:03 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:13:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner with over 90% CPU In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030810171018.02a57200@mail.thcwd.com> Richard Barrett wrote: >Take a look at: > >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg17786.html Of course it's not just postfix, it bites me about once a week with sendmail. I watch it and kill the PID when it happens, but it's a PITA. Any chance of a patch? I know it's in the CVS, but I'm in over my head with that. <>< Paul From rickcheney at myrealbox.com Sun Aug 10 16:35:55 2003 From: rickcheney at myrealbox.com (Rick Cheney) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:35:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I can't get my mail list to work Message-ID: Hello, I have a mailing list at www.hcmcnurses.org we are a non-profit association and our web host, webmanix.com, is not very helpful. We cannot the mailing list to work. The mailing list Test_hcmcnurses at synedyne.appliednetworkservices.net does not work. When I create a mailing list I get the text below. I didn't find an option on the Control Panel for editing the etc/aliases or running 'newalises'. I tried making folders named etc/aliases and adding a text file named text.txt to that folder with the information below, but it did not work. ----------------------------------------------- Account Created The mailing list test on hcmcnurses.org with password test was sucessfully created. To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases (or equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly running the `newaliases' program: ## test_hcmcnurses.org mailing list test_hcmcnurses.org: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman post test_hcmcnurses.org" test_hcmcnurses.org-admin: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman admin test_hcmcnurses.org" test_hcmcnurses.org-bounces: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman bounces test_hcmcnurses.org" test_hcmcnurses.org-confirm: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman confirm test_hcmcnurses.org" test_hcmcnurses.org-join: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman join test_hcmcnurses.org" test_hcmcnurses.org-leave: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman leave test_hcmcnurses.org" test_hcmcnurses.org-owner: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman owner test_hcmcnurses.org" test_hcmcnurses.org-request: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman request test_hcmcnurses.org" test_hcmcnurses.org-subscribe: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test_hcmcnurses.org" test_hcmcnurses.org-unsubscribe: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe test_hcmcnurses.org" Hit enter to notify test_hcmcnurses.org owner... Updated List test hcmcnurses.org Thanks for your help, Rick Cheney 651-227-9166 From rickcheney at myrealbox.com Sun Aug 10 16:39:35 2003 From: rickcheney at myrealbox.com (Rick Cheney) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:39:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: I can't get my mail list to work Message-ID: I forgot to mention in my previous message, I get the error message below when I try to send mail to the mailing list. Test_hcmcnurses.org at synedyne.appliednetworkservices.net unknown local-part "test_hcmcnurses.org" in domain "synedyne.appliednetworkservices.net" -----Original Message----- From: Rick Cheney [mailto:rickcheney at myrealbox.com] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:36 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: I can't get my mail list to work Hello, I have a mailing list at www.hcmcnurses.org we are a non-profit association and our web host, webmanix.com, is not very helpful. We cannot the mailing list to work. The mailing list Test_hcmcnurses at synedyne.appliednetworkservices.net does not work. When I create a mailing list I get the text below. I didn't find an option on the Control Panel for editing the etc/aliases or running 'newalises'. I tried making folders named etc/aliases and adding a text file named text.txt to that folder with the information below, but it did not work. ----------------------------------------------- Account Created The mailing list test on hcmcnurses.org with password test was sucessfully created. To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases (or equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly running the `newaliases' program: ## test_hcmcnurses.org mailing list test_hcmcnurses.org: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman post test_hcmcnurses.org" test_hcmcnurses.org-admin: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman admin test_hcmcnurses.org" test_hcmcnurses.org-bounces: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman bounces test_hcmcnurses.org" test_hcmcnurses.org-confirm: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman confirm test_hcmcnurses.org" test_hcmcnurses.org-join: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman join test_hcmcnurses.org" test_hcmcnurses.org-leave: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman leave test_hcmcnurses.org" test_hcmcnurses.org-owner: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman owner test_hcmcnurses.org" test_hcmcnurses.org-request: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman request test_hcmcnurses.org" test_hcmcnurses.org-subscribe: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test_hcmcnurses.org" test_hcmcnurses.org-unsubscribe: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe test_hcmcnurses.org" Hit enter to notify test_hcmcnurses.org owner... Updated List test hcmcnurses.org Thanks for your help, Rick Cheney 651-227-9166 From ewilts at ewilts.org Mon Aug 11 02:14:17 2003 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 19:14:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I can't get my mail list to work In-Reply-To: ; from rickcheney@myrealbox.com on Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 09:35:55AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030810191417.A11072@www.ewilts.org> On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 09:35:55AM -0500, Rick Cheney wrote: > Hello, I have a mailing list at www.hcmcnurses.org we are a non-profit > association and our web host, webmanix.com, is not very helpful. We cannot > the mailing list to work. The mailing list > Test_hcmcnurses at synedyne.appliednetworkservices.net does not work. When I > create a mailing list I get the text below. I didn't find an option on the > Control Panel for editing the etc/aliases or running 'newalises'. I tried > making folders named etc/aliases and adding a text file named text.txt to > that folder with the information below, but it did not work. newaliases needs to be run by your mail host. It's not a mailman function - it's dependent on the MTA. > The mailing list test on hcmcnurses.org with password test was sucessfully > created. > > To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases (or > equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly running the > `newaliases' program: > > ## test_hcmcnurses.org mailing list > test_hcmcnurses.org: > "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman post test_hcmcnurses.org" Something's quite broken since it's combining your list name with your host name. test_hcmcnurses.org isn't a valid DNS name. It looks like webmanix doesn't have mailman configured properly. If they're not going to help you with this, then you may need to find a different mailman host. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org From barry at python.org Mon Aug 11 02:37:35 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 00:37:35 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Fw: Re: Re:Remove from mailing list please (I have received this email in error READ) In-Reply-To: <200308102210.h7AMAEF31616@my1.worldsite.ws> References: <200308102210.h7AMAEF31616@my1.worldsite.ws> Message-ID: <1060562123.862.2.camel@anthem> On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 18:10, associate at domainstation.ws wrote: > Hi Barry, > > We seem to have a problem here with your mailing list called *peach.kiosk.ws*. A ton of us are getting these emails for removal from this list. Here is the URL: > > http://peach.kiosk.ws/mailman/listinfo/asxop_automatic-business.com > > The email address is: mailman at automatic-business.com which is a bogus email address and causes a bounce-back. > > Please cancel and remove all people from this list as we are all requesting this. > > Thank you for your help in this matter, > > Frani Morrison > Recruitment Director > http://www.supportphp.org/letter.asp?38208 Please be advised that this is not "our" mailing list. I have never heard of peach.kiosk.ws before, nor the asxop_automatic-business.com mailing list. It appears that they use our free mailing list software called Mailman, but Mailman is open source software and we usually have no idea who is using it. You will have to contact someone at peach.kiosk.ws to resolve your problem. -Barry From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Aug 11 02:43:30 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 00:43:30 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner with over 90% CPU In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030810171018.02a57200@mail.thcwd.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030810171018.02a57200@mail.thcwd.com> Message-ID: <1060562606.4465.3.camel@Anncons4> Paul, I have never seen this on a sendmail install. Maybe your problem is a different one. what version of python are your running, and what is the OS? From a command line type: python look at the first line printed: Python 2.2.2 Type a cntl-d to get out of python Jon Carnes On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 18:13, Paul H Byerly wrote: > Richard Barrett wrote: > >Take a look at: > > > >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg17786.html > > Of course it's not just postfix, it bites me about once a week with > sendmail. I watch it and kill the PID when it happens, but it's a > PITA. Any chance of a patch? I know it's in the CVS, but I'm in over my > head with that. > > > <>< Paul > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From paul at thcwd.com Mon Aug 11 04:09:57 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 21:09:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner with over 90% CPU In-Reply-To: <1060562606.4465.3.camel@Anncons4> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030810171018.02a57200@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030810171018.02a57200@mail.thcwd.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030810210102.081169e8@mail.thcwd.com> Jon Carnes wrote: >Paul, I have never seen this on a sendmail install. Maybe your problem is >a different one. Perhaps I miss read the issue. Give that my runaway is Python I suspect this is the case. Sorry. I posted about my problem a while back, see . It seems MM is a little over eager about retrying messages when sendmail (or any MTA) reports a temporary failure. Richard said a change had been made in the CVS, and wondered if a patch was available. >what version of python are your running, and what is the OS? Mailman 2.1.2 Redhat 7.1 Python 2.2.2 <>< Paul From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Aug 11 05:05:40 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 03:05:40 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner with over 90% CPU In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030810210102.081169e8@mail.thcwd.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030810171018.02a57200@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030810171018.02a57200@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030810210102.081169e8@mail.thcwd.com> Message-ID: <1060571138.4860.13.camel@Anncons4> On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 22:09, Paul H Byerly wrote: > Jon Carnes wrote: > >Paul, I have never seen this on a sendmail install. Maybe your problem is > >a different one. > > Perhaps I miss read the issue. Give that my runaway is Python I > suspect this is the case. Sorry. > > I posted about my problem a while back, see > . It > seems MM is a little over eager about retrying messages when sendmail (or > any MTA) reports a temporary failure. Richard said a change had been made > in the CVS, and wondered if a patch was available. > > >what version of python are your running, and what is the OS? > > Mailman 2.1.2 > Redhat 7.1 > Python 2.2.2 > > > <>< Paul Are you running NFS or NIS on the server? How big are your volumes? Are the errors always on trying to open "/etc/mail/access.db" or do they occur for other files as well? Finally, what modifications (if any) have you made to Sendmail? From bronto at csd-bes.net Sun Aug 10 22:24:27 2003 From: bronto at csd-bes.net (Rob Brandt) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 21:24:27 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public/private archives problem. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1060547067.439f3ba16413b@horde.csd-bes.net> I recently submitted a bug report on that: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=784888&group_id=103&atid=100103 No response yet. Rob Quoting tony-mm at arielbusiness.com: > Hi, > > I hope someone can help me with this: > I am a web space reseller on a shared server. > One of the features we get is mailman, which we offer to our clients. > > One thing I have noticed about it is that if a mailing list has a has a > private archive, the address is > http://clientdomain.com/mailman/private/listname, which is fine, but if > the archive is public, then the address is > http://myhostingprovidersservername.com/pipermail/listname - which is > not fine :( > > This means that my clients can see the domain name of the underlying > provider I am buying space off, and potentially they might jump ship. > > Is this something that can be fixed by me/the hosting provider, and if > so, how? > > Many thanks, > > > Tony > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: bronto at csd-bes.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bronto%40csd-bes.net > From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Mon Aug 11 07:48:36 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:48:36 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public/private archives problem. In-Reply-To: <1060547067.439f3ba16413b@horde.csd-bes.net> References: <1060547067.439f3ba16413b@horde.csd-bes.net> Message-ID: <3F372E34.5020300@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, You should state your urlhost/emailhost pairs in mm_cfg.py like; add_virtualhost('www.virtual.dom', 'mail.virtual.dom') then use fix_url.py. Rob Brandt wrote: > I recently submitted a bug report on that: > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=784888&group_id=103&atid=100103 > > No response yet. > > Rob > > > > Quoting tony-mm at arielbusiness.com: > > >>Hi, >> >>I hope someone can help me with this: >>I am a web space reseller on a shared server. >>One of the features we get is mailman, which we offer to our clients. >> >>One thing I have noticed about it is that if a mailing list has a has a >>private archive, the address is >>http://clientdomain.com/mailman/private/listname, which is fine, but if >>the archive is public, then the address is >>http://myhostingprovidersservername.com/pipermail/listname - which is >>not fine :( >> >>This means that my clients can see the domain name of the underlying >>provider I am buying space off, and potentially they might jump ship. >> >>Is this something that can be fixed by me/the hosting provider, and if >>so, how? >> >>Many thanks, >> >> >>Tony >> -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From mark at bigdaddyo.com Mon Aug 11 08:40:16 2003 From: mark at bigdaddyo.com (Mark Champion) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 23:40:16 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lines don't wrap in archive? Message-ID: <05a501c35fd3$6d855a60$6601a8c0@bigdaddyo.com> I notice that in the archives, email text lines don't wrap. Is this a configuration issue? and if so, where can I configure it so it will wrap them? Thanks! From tony-mm at arielbusiness.com Mon Aug 11 11:31:38 2003 From: tony-mm at arielbusiness.com (Tony) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:31:38 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public/private archives problem. In-Reply-To: <3F372E34.5020300@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> References: <1060547067.439f3ba16413b@horde.csd-bes.net> <3F372E34.5020300@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <1060594298.3f37627a3828a@www.arielbusiness.com> Hi Tokio, I checked out Rob's bug report and he says that he tried fix_url, but it only worked for private archives, not for the public ones.... :( Thanks for the suggestion though. Tony Quoting Tokio Kikuchi : > Hi, > > You should state your urlhost/emailhost pairs in mm_cfg.py like; > > add_virtualhost('www.virtual.dom', 'mail.virtual.dom') > > then use fix_url.py. > > > Rob Brandt wrote: > > > I recently submitted a bug report on that: > > > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/? func=detail&aid=784888&group_id=103&atid=100103 > > > > No response yet. > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > Quoting tony-mm at arielbusiness.com: > > > > > >>Hi, > >> > >>I hope someone can help me with this: > >>I am a web space reseller on a shared server. > >>One of the features we get is mailman, which we offer to our clients. > >> > >>One thing I have noticed about it is that if a mailing list has a has a > >>private archive, the address is > >>http://clientdomain.com/mailman/private/listname, which is fine, but if > >>the archive is public, then the address is > >>http://myhostingprovidersservername.com/pipermail/listname - which is > >>not fine :( > >> > >>This means that my clients can see the domain name of the underlying > >>provider I am buying space off, and potentially they might jump ship. > >> > >>Is this something that can be fixed by me/the hosting provider, and if > >>so, how? > >> > >>Many thanks, > >> > >> > >>Tony > >> > > -- > Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp > http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: tony-mm at arielbusiness.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/tony-mm% 40arielbusiness.com > From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk Mon Aug 11 12:30:33 2003 From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:30:33 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public/private archives problem. In-Reply-To: <1060594298.3f37627a3828a@www.arielbusiness.com> Message-ID: On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 10:31 am, Tony wrote: > Hi Tokio, > > I checked out Rob's bug report and he says that he tried fix_url, but > it only > worked for private archives, not for the public ones.... :( > Rob's bug report, as with yours, lack precision in specifying exactly which Mailman generated pages have links on them which contain (in the HTML text), absolute URLs referring to the wrong hostname. See my comments below on the broadfer questions that need to be answered in order to attack the perceived problem. > Thanks for the suggestion though. > > Tony > Quoting Tokio Kikuchi : > >> Hi, >> >> You should state your urlhost/emailhost pairs in mm_cfg.py like; >> >> add_virtualhost('www.virtual.dom', 'mail.virtual.dom') >> >> then use fix_url.py. >> >> >> Rob Brandt wrote: >> >>> I recently submitted a bug report on that: >>> >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/? > func=detail&aid=784888&group_id=103&atid=100103 >>> >>> No response yet. >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> >>> >>> Quoting tony-mm at arielbusiness.com: >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I hope someone can help me with this: >>>> I am a web space reseller on a shared server. >>>> One of the features we get is mailman, which we offer to our >>>> clients. >>>> >>>> One thing I have noticed about it is that if a mailing list has a >>>> has a >>>> private archive, the address is >>>> http://clientdomain.com/mailman/private/listname, which is fine, >>>> but if >>>> the archive is public, then the address is >>>> http://myhostingprovidersservername.com/pipermail/listname - which >>>> is >>>> not fine :( >>>> The cause of this is likely to be in the configuration of the Apache server servicing the virtual hosts concerned rather than it being a Mailman problem per se. I'm assuming that named virtual hosting is being used by the Apache server concerned so that clientdomain.com and myhostingprovidersservername.com resolve to the same IP number. Unless the Apache server has some special provisions made in its configuration/operation the pipermail archives, which are served as regular web pages by Apache without the intervention of Mailman specific CGI programs, will be equally visible through any of the hostnames that resolve to the same IP that myhostingprovidersservername.com resolves to. If this is the case then any of the public lists is potentially visible through any of the named virtual hosts supported by Apache on the same IP number. I do not work with it myself, but I believe that the CPanel virtual hosting support software, which your hosting provider may be using, does perform some trickery to help avoid conflicts between list names on different virtual hosts. If your hosting provider is using that and something related to it is misconfigured then this may be contributing to the problem. When you say "if the archive is public, then the address is http://myhostingprovidersservername.com/pipermail/listname" what precisely do you mean? Do the links to list archives for a given virtual host on the /mailman/listinfo and /mailman/admin and other /mailman/ CGI generated pages for that host have URL's that refer to the myhostingprovidersservername.com rather than clientdomain.com host? Or are there links on other pages on the server that have the 'defective' domain in their URLs? If you look at the source of MM's pipermail archive pages you will find that for the most part the generated links on those pages are server relative, the main exception being (with MM2.1.2) to extracted attachment files. So once started on a link specifying the 'wrong' hostname, links on pages then reached also appear to be 'wrong'. To get much further with diagnosing the problem will need a bit more input from you. >>>> This means that my clients can see the domain name of the underlying >>>> provider I am buying space off, and potentially they might jump >>>> ship. >>>> >>>> Is this something that can be fixed by me/the hosting provider, and >>>> if >>>> so, how? >>>> >>>> Many thanks, >>>> >>>> >>>> Tony >>>> >> >> -- >> Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp >> http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> Searchable Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >> This message was sent to: tony-mm at arielbusiness.com >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/tony-mm% > 40arielbusiness.com >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk > From tony-mm at arielbusiness.com Mon Aug 11 14:14:48 2003 From: tony-mm at arielbusiness.com (Tony) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:14:48 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public/private archives problem. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1060604088.3f3788b8ea60c@www.arielbusiness.com> Hi Richard, Quoting Richard Barrett : > Rob's bug report, as with yours, lack precision in specifying exactly > which Mailman generated pages have links on them which contain (in the > HTML text), absolute URLs referring to the wrong hostname. See my > comments below on the broadfer questions that need to be answered in > order to attack the perceived problem. Sorry, I thought it was clear enough. I will elaborate. > I do not work with it myself, but I believe that the CPanel virtual > hosting support software, which your hosting provider may be using, > does perform some trickery to help avoid conflicts between list names > on different virtual hosts. If your hosting provider is using that and > something related to it is misconfigured then this may be contributing > to the problem. Correct. The list directory gets names _ to avoid conflicts with any other similarly named lists. CPanel is what is being used in this case. This means that any other virtual host on the server can access the mail archives by providing the correct path name to the list. > When you say "if the archive is public, then the address is > http://myhostingprovidersservername.com/pipermail/listname" what > precisely do you mean? What I mean is that the link to the archives, and only this link, from what I can see, shows the hosting provider's server name and not the virtual domain for the client. Example: I have a list called "test" on clientdomain1. The path to the list and all the admin pages etc is http://clientdomain1/mailman//test_clientdomain1/ This list could also be accessed by another virtual domain on the same server as: http://clientdomain2/mailman//test_clientdomain1/ When the archives are set to public, the archive address is: http://clientdomain1/mailman/private/test_clientdomain1/ When the list archives are set to public, then the archive address is: http://hostingproviderservername/pipermail/test_clientdomain1/ I would expect this to read: http://clientdomain1/pipermail/test_clientdomain1/ or similar. This appears the same on both the main page for the list and in the admin interface. > Or are there links on other pages on the server that have the > 'defective' domain in their URLs? No. > To get much further with diagnosing the problem will need a bit more > input from you. I hope I have provided enough info for you - if not, please tell me what else you need to know. many thanks, Tony From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon Aug 11 15:58:10 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:58:10 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public/private archives problem. In-Reply-To: <1060604088.3f3788b8ea60c@www.arielbusiness.com> Message-ID: Tony The questions I am asking are to elicit information that will distinguish between and identify whether there is a problem with (a) Mailman or (b) misconfiguration of Mailman or (c) third party modifications made to Mailman or (d) other aspects of the host system configuration such as the Apache server. You are complaining about links but I can interpret that in several ways: 1. whether the URL of concern is accepted and served by the Apache server when you think/prefer it should or should not be. 2. whether the URL of concern is found embedded in the HTML text of a web page generated by Mailman as either a static page or by a Mailman CGI script. 3. whether the URL of concern is found embedded in the HTML text of a web page generated by something other than Mailman as either a static page or as one delivered by a CGI script. I must have been having a stupid day as I was not entirely clear from either the referenced bug report or your initial post about which of these interpretations I should adopt. Now see further comments below. Richard On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 01:14 pm, Tony wrote: > Hi Richard, > > Quoting Richard Barrett : >> Rob's bug report, as with yours, lack precision in specifying exactly >> which Mailman generated pages have links on them which contain (in the >> HTML text), absolute URLs referring to the wrong hostname. See my >> comments below on the broadfer questions that need to be answered in >> order to attack the perceived problem. > > Sorry, I thought it was clear enough. I will elaborate. > >> I do not work with it myself, but I believe that the CPanel virtual >> hosting support software, which your hosting provider may be using, >> does perform some trickery to help avoid conflicts between list names >> on different virtual hosts. If your hosting provider is using that and >> something related to it is misconfigured then this may be contributing >> to the problem. > > Correct. The list directory gets names _ to avoid > conflicts > with any other similarly named lists. CPanel is what is being used in > this > case. > > This means that any other virtual host on the server can access the > mail > archives by providing the correct path name to the list. > >> When you say "if the archive is public, then the address is >> http://myhostingprovidersservername.com/pipermail/listname" what >> precisely do you mean? > > What I mean is that the link to the archives, and only this link, from > what I > can see, shows the hosting provider's server name and not the virtual > domain > for the client. > > Example: > I have a list called "test" on clientdomain1. > > The path to the list and all the admin pages etc is > http://clientdomain1/mailman//test_clientdomain1/ > > This list could also be accessed by another virtual domain on the same > server > as: > http://clientdomain2/mailman//test_clientdomain1/ > > When the archives are set to public, the archive address is: > http://clientdomain1/mailman/private/test_clientdomain1/ Did you mean the statement immediately above or are you just reflecting on the fact that a public list is still available through its private list URL? > > When the list archives are set to public, then the archive address is: > http://hostingproviderservername/pipermail/test_clientdomain1/ > > I would expect this to read: > http://clientdomain1/pipermail/test_clientdomain1/ > or similar. > > This appears the same on both the main page for the list and in the > admin > interface. > Just to confirm; do you mean the web pages returned by the URLs http://clientdomain1/mailman/listinfo/test_clientdomain1 and http://clientdomain1/mailman/admin/test_clientdomain1? I am now talking about plain vanilla, unmodified, MM 2.1.2 code. The GetBaseArchiveURL() function used to generate the links to both public and private list archives. Its operation is subtly different in two cases although both depend upon the values in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary which is conventionally constructed by calls to the add_virtualhosts() function in the MM configuration file mm_cfg.py. In the case of a public archive, the function does a lookup for the list's host_name attribute (visible/editable on the General Options page of the list) in an inversion of the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary. The actual statement that forms the URL is: url = mm_cfg.PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL % { 'listname': self.internal_name(), 'hostname': inv.get(self.host_name, mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL_HOST), } This works reliably on vanilla MM installation with a correctly set up VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary, so long as each URL_FQDN key in the dictionary is associated with a unique EMAIL_FQDN value. If the list's host_name is not found then the DEFAULT_URL_HOST value, which is likely to be that of your myhostingprovidersservername.com, will be used. I have no idea as to how CPanel integrates with Mailman or how the mm_cfg.py Mailman configuration file is maintained as new domains are hosted by a server on the system you are depending on. My best guess is that something that should be done is not being done and you are getting the DEFAULT_URL_HOST in your public archive URL. I do not think you are seeing a bug in Mailman per se. > >> Or are there links on other pages on the server that have the >> 'defective' domain in their URLs? > > No. > >> To get much further with diagnosing the problem will need a bit more >> input from you. > > I hope I have provided enough info for you - if not, please tell me > what else > you need to know. > > many thanks, > > Tony > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Mon Aug 11 17:15:15 2003 From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:15:15 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hotmail and Yahoo sending mail straight to junk folders. Message-ID: <1060614811.1593.12.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> It seems that hotmail and yahoo are sending mail from mailman straight to junk folders, this is REAL bad, especially because it's possible to delete junk folders without actually looking in them. Why is this, is this because there is a bulk mail setting in the mail header? If so, how can I stop this being written into the mail? From paul at thcwd.com Mon Aug 11 18:12:42 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:12:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: qrunner with over 90% CPU In-Reply-To: <1060571138.4860.13.camel@Anncons4> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030810210102.081169e8@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030810171018.02a57200@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030810171018.02a57200@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030810210102.081169e8@mail.thcwd.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030811105646.0807c710@mail.thcwd.com> Jon Carnes wrote: >Are you running NFS or NIS on the server? I don't have NFS on the system, so I'd say NIS. > How big are your volumes? hda1 is 99 Mb with 6 Mb used hda3 is 54 Gig with 9 gigs used >Are the errors always on trying to open "/etc/mail/access.db" or do they >occur for other files as well? All are "/etc/mail/access.db" >Finally, what modifications (if any) have you made to Sendmail? Other than some open relay rejection features, nothing. <>< Paul From mark at pdc-racing.net Mon Aug 11 18:35:58 2003 From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:35:58 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hotmail and Yahoo sending mail straight to junk folders. In-Reply-To: <20030811083144.1c22b77d.raquel@thericehouse.net> Message-ID: Raquel Rice at raquel at thericehouse.net wrote: >> It seems that hotmail and yahoo are sending mail from mailman >> straight to junk folders, this is REAL bad, especially because >> it's possible to delete junk folders without actually looking in >> them. >> >> Why is this, is this because there is a bulk mail setting in the >> mail header? If so, how can I stop this being written into the >> mail? > > Look at the mail headers to see. Write to the abuse dept. of Yahoo > and Hotmail to get their responses. This is very likely because of the mail server the messages originate from being whitelisted and not from headers in the messages themselves. Ask me how I know. - Mark -- mark at pdc-racing.net From jsmith at smittybuilt.com Mon Aug 11 18:39:07 2003 From: jsmith at smittybuilt.com (jsmith) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:39:07 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not starting correctly. Message-ID: Hello all, I seem to have made a bad decision on changing my dedicated server to someplace that can't keep a machine with power for very long. I haven't had a problem with mailman 2.1.2 like this for some time. It seems that my ISP rebooted my machine or had a power failure. Now my machine is back up and mailman is only half working it seems. I can get to the web interface and all. And my list only has 3 people sending to the list occassionally. This morning a post was sent to the list and it was never sent out. I thought maybe it was a fluke when it was reported to me so I resent it from my account. Same deal, nothing in pending tasks and nothing going out. I know this is probably something very simple that didn't start on bootup. Just kinda odd that it didn't this time and me being new to freebsd (4.7) makes it a little harder to figure out. Any help would be greatly appreciated. jsmith From maechler at stat.math.ethz.ch Mon Aug 11 18:56:29 2003 From: maechler at stat.math.ethz.ch (Martin Maechler) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:56:29 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "lost data files for filebase" ==> Mail not posted ?? Message-ID: <16183.51901.316011.456292@gargle.gargle.HOWL> This is the tail of my current ......./mailman/data/logs/error file -------------------------------------- Aug 10 06:42:07 2003 (541) lost data files for filebase: 1060490527.0158221+ddecddb5815cf7cf8cf834ceb3ad662be126041c Aug 10 12:34:29 2003 (540) lost data files for filebase: 1060509616.782451+a4578f731ebee6e3f3740f1e6855d09a0972263e Aug 10 20:30:11 2003 (541) lost data files for filebase: 1060540246.9095089+912cdbccccfcfe733d301773c06c3bcdbe001ffb Aug 11 00:52:07 2003 (541) lost data files for filebase: 1060555926.152933+8a2a61caa49758cd7c3071b95b15d3494897ca69 Aug 11 02:32:07 2003 (541) lost data files for filebase: 1060561927.104573+a3079e40a38a0df82617d3f86d0b1f57d1543db2 Aug 11 09:00:33 2003 (540) lost data files for filebase: 1060585221.6441211+ae95c63d64d0e3250e52b74da83522eadb4de772 Aug 11 11:07:56 2003 (541) lost data files for filebase: 1060592863.194724+a163d1a48606e1eb9e5ed8014a2fed7b386b6c81 Aug 11 12:22:29 2003 (6743) lost data files for filebase: 1060596023.305773+e791110de90fe7d79b6baa4005d37a0358a15715 Aug 11 12:22:29 2003 (6743) lost data files for filebase: 1060596023.408902+fed704e87cb8295b505931721d97051af0d58c4c Aug 11 14:12:08 2003 (6744) lost data files for filebase: 1060603927.472297+847e4a2d8ea507ecc06540489d979d6f764caab6 Aug 11 15:09:55 2003 (6743) lost data files for filebase: 1060607393.05158+819049635b846eb689b5ad09f8ae038b867e26bd Aug 11 17:03:19 2003 (6743) lost data files for filebase: 1060614197.208517+fb2b5d383a2818b4b43388510f392ccc9c636640 Aug 11 18:38:50 2003 (6743) lost data files for filebase: 1060619810.583365+ce53179f05cc7a4bc4b71df2899f878fad02979b Aug 11 18:38:50 2003 (6743) lost data files for filebase: 1060619812.529189+e92ef749188d053e369ac95dc91869ea3632b3b6 -------------------------------------- I have about 2 dozen mailing lists running under mailman 2.1.2 (Solaris) quite sucessfully, see https://www.stat.math.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/ but I've been getting error messages like the above quite regularly since the upgrade from 2.0.x to 2.1.2 (in early May). I never cared too much about them but today. I saw that a message got into the daily digest, but was really not put out to mailing list (R-help). It was sent (via procmail) to R-help ( Folder: /usr/local/app/mailman-sfs/current/mail/mailman post r-help 2298) on 11:07:30 today, better never sent out, and the above line Aug 11 11:07:56 2003 (541) lost data files for filebase: \ 1060592863.194724+a163d1a48606e1eb9e5ed8014a2fed7b386b6c81 comes 26 seconds later. What could have happened? Can you help me find out? I'll voluntarily give you more info. Thanks a LOT in advance! Please CC to me directly, since I'm not subscribed to the mailman-users list. Martin Maechler http://stat.ethz.ch/~maechler/ Seminar fuer Statistik, ETH-Zentrum LEO C16 Leonhardstr. 27 ETH (Federal Inst. Technology) 8092 Zurich SWITZERLAND phone: x-41-1-632-3408 fax: ...-1228 <>< From paul at thcwd.com Mon Aug 11 18:54:59 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:54:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Hotmail and Yahoo sending mail straight to junk folders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030811114728.080dd7d8@mail.thcwd.com> Angel Gabriel wrote: >It seems that hotmail and yahoo are sending mail from mailman straight >to junk folders, this is REAL bad, especially because it's possible to >delete junk folders without actually looking in them. > >Why is this, is this because there is a bulk mail setting in the mail >header? If so, how can I stop this being written into the mail? In my tests this only happens with HotMail when "Hide the sender of a message, replacing it with the list address (Removes From, Sender and Reply-To fields)" on the General Options list administration page is set to "yes". Yahoo uses a bulk mail folder for this, and the first time a bulk mail is received a message about the folder is sent to the in box. Removing the bulk mail header would be false advertising of what the mail is, and that is a good way to get labeled as spam and end up on some blacklist. I hate spam more than the next guy, but we are starting to see an over the top, shoot first ask questions later mentality that is making it hard for anyone running any list. Usually the ISP could care less about a list owner, so you have to get the folks who use the service to complain. At some point I want to write a "why I'm not getting my list mail" page with info on the most common problems. When I get it done I'll let folks here know. <>< Paul From bronto at csd-bes.net Mon Aug 11 10:58:56 2003 From: bronto at csd-bes.net (Rob Brandt) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:58:56 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public/private archives problem. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1060592336.d1c6c30add0f4@horde.csd-bes.net> Richard; Thanks for your help in this. I am going to email you a link to my "testlist", which you can log into as an administrator and see for yourself what the problem is. My server does not run CPanel, so I don't think that's an issue here. My server is sitting here next to my desk, so I have full control if you need any information. Best Regards Rob Quoting Richard Barrett : > Tony > > The questions I am asking are to elicit information that will > distinguish between and identify whether there is a problem with (a) > Mailman or (b) misconfiguration of Mailman or (c) third party > modifications made to Mailman or (d) other aspects of the host system > configuration such as the Apache server. > > You are complaining about links but I can interpret that in several > ways: > > 1. whether the URL of concern is accepted and served by the Apache > server when you think/prefer it should or should not be. > > 2. whether the URL of concern is found embedded in the HTML text of a > web page generated by Mailman as either a static page or by a Mailman > CGI script. > > 3. whether the URL of concern is found embedded in the HTML text of a > web page generated by something other than Mailman as either a static > page or as one delivered by a CGI script. > > I must have been having a stupid day as I was not entirely clear from > either the referenced bug report or your initial post about which of > these interpretations I should adopt. > > Now see further comments below. > > Richard > > On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 01:14 pm, Tony wrote: > > > Hi Richard, > > > > Quoting Richard Barrett : > >> Rob's bug report, as with yours, lack precision in specifying exactly > >> which Mailman generated pages have links on them which contain (in the > >> HTML text), absolute URLs referring to the wrong hostname. See my > >> comments below on the broadfer questions that need to be answered in > >> order to attack the perceived problem. > > > > Sorry, I thought it was clear enough. I will elaborate. > > > >> I do not work with it myself, but I believe that the CPanel virtual > >> hosting support software, which your hosting provider may be using, > >> does perform some trickery to help avoid conflicts between list names > >> on different virtual hosts. If your hosting provider is using that and > >> something related to it is misconfigured then this may be contributing > >> to the problem. > > > > Correct. The list directory gets names _ to avoid > > conflicts > > with any other similarly named lists. CPanel is what is being used in > > this > > case. > > > > This means that any other virtual host on the server can access the > > mail > > archives by providing the correct path name to the list. > > > >> When you say "if the archive is public, then the address is > >> http://myhostingprovidersservername.com/pipermail/listname" what > >> precisely do you mean? > > > > What I mean is that the link to the archives, and only this link, from > > what I > > can see, shows the hosting provider's server name and not the virtual > > domain > > for the client. > > > > Example: > > I have a list called "test" on clientdomain1. > > > > The path to the list and all the admin pages etc is > > http://clientdomain1/mailman//test_clientdomain1/ > > > > This list could also be accessed by another virtual domain on the same > > server > > as: > > http://clientdomain2/mailman//test_clientdomain1/ > > > > When the archives are set to public, the archive address is: > > http://clientdomain1/mailman/private/test_clientdomain1/ > > Did you mean the statement immediately above or are you just reflecting > on the fact that a public list is still available through its private > list URL? > > > > > When the list archives are set to public, then the archive address is: > > http://hostingproviderservername/pipermail/test_clientdomain1/ > > > > I would expect this to read: > > http://clientdomain1/pipermail/test_clientdomain1/ > > or similar. > > > > This appears the same on both the main page for the list and in the > > admin > > interface. > > > > Just to confirm; do you mean the web pages returned by the URLs > http://clientdomain1/mailman/listinfo/test_clientdomain1 and > http://clientdomain1/mailman/admin/test_clientdomain1? > > I am now talking about plain vanilla, unmodified, MM 2.1.2 code. The > GetBaseArchiveURL() function used to generate the links to both public > and private list archives. Its operation is subtly different in two > cases although both depend upon the values in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS > dictionary which is conventionally constructed by calls to the > add_virtualhosts() function in the MM configuration file mm_cfg.py. > > In the case of a public archive, the function does a lookup for the > list's host_name attribute (visible/editable on the General Options > page of the list) in an inversion of the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary. The > actual statement that forms the URL is: > > url = mm_cfg.PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL % { > 'listname': self.internal_name(), > 'hostname': inv.get(self.host_name, mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL_HOST), > } > > This works reliably on vanilla MM installation with a correctly set up > VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary, so long as each URL_FQDN key in the > dictionary is associated with a unique EMAIL_FQDN value. > > If the list's host_name is not found then the DEFAULT_URL_HOST value, > which is likely to be that of your myhostingprovidersservername.com, > will be used. > > I have no idea as to how CPanel integrates with Mailman or how the > mm_cfg.py Mailman configuration file is maintained as new domains are > hosted by a server on the system you are depending on. > > My best guess is that something that should be done is not being done > and you are getting the DEFAULT_URL_HOST in your public archive URL. I > do not think you are seeing a bug in Mailman per se. > > > > >> Or are there links on other pages on the server that have the > >> 'defective' domain in their URLs? > > > > No. > > > >> To get much further with diagnosing the problem will need a bit more > >> input from you. > > > > I hope I have provided enough info for you - if not, please tell me > > what else > > you need to know. > > > > many thanks, > > > > Tony > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: bronto at csd-bes.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bronto%40csd-bes.net > From jimpop at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 19:02:53 2003 From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:02:53 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hotmail and Yahoo sending mail straight to junkfolders. In-Reply-To: <1060614811.1593.12.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> Message-ID: Yahoo! does that for a LOT of email, not necessarily because it comes from Mailman. For the record, all my Mailman "delivered" (note: Mailman doesn't deliver mail, your MTA does) email, sent to my personal Yahoo! address, is arriving in the intended destination not the bulk/junk email folder. More than likely you have an MTA configuration error or your MTA is not designed/setup (rDNS, clean IP/Network, etc) appropriately enough to satisfy Yahoo! polices. -Jim P. > -----Original Message----- > From: Angel Gabriel > Sent: Monday, 11 August, 2003 11:14 > > It seems that hotmail and yahoo are sending mail from mailman straight > to junk folders, this is REAL bad, especially because it's possible to > delete junk folders without actually looking in them. > > Why is this, is this because there is a bulk mail setting in the mail > header? If so, how can I stop this being written into the mail? > From iwlceo at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 19:48:15 2003 From: iwlceo at yahoo.com (C. Kay Wellens) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Script Alternative to Radio Buttons? Message-ID: <20030811174815.39686.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> We need a command line script alternative to the web page radio buttons, and we are willing to pay for it! We have ten mailman mailing lists that we use very effectively with our customers and internal staff. Every day, our Administrator has to go to the "Pending Administrative Requests for mailing list ..." to get rid of all the spam posts. Often there are fifty or so per mailing list, so 500 unwanted administrative pieces of mail. It takes a very long time (one or more hours per day) to click the "discard" radio button for each mail message per mailing list, and then finally click on the "Submit All Data" button. Our administrator would like to quickly skim the pending messages, see if there are any that are bonafide messages that should be posted to the mailing list, and then discard all the rest in one fell swoop. If someone could write us a script that we could run from the Red Hat Linux command line, we are willing to pay for the development and resubmit to the community. We would like to do something like this: linux prompt% discard pendingmsgs mailinglistone where "discard" is the command, "pendingmsgs" is an argument, and "mailinglistone" is the name of the mailing list to get the treatment. We use Mailman 2.1.2 and RedHat Linux 9.x. We compiled our own version of Mailman because the one that shipped with RedHat did not work right. Our network administrator who set this all up says he is too busy to write the script for us, so that is why we are asking for help from the community. Thanks in advance. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ==--==- Chris Wellens President & CEO InterWorking Labs --==--= 108 Whispering Pines Dr, Ste 115, Scotts Valley, CA 95066-4792 ==--==- chrisw at iwl.com +1 831 430 3610 +1 831 430 9144 Fax ----------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From jmhayes at speakeasy.net Mon Aug 11 19:56:51 2003 From: jmhayes at speakeasy.net (Jordan Hayes) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:56:51 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Script Alternative to Radio Buttons? References: <20030811174815.39686.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <074701c36031$f1664020$d458a6d1@rupt> > We need a command line script alternative to the web > page radio buttons, and we are willing to pay for it! Here's what I did: in Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py, there's some code that looks like this: buttons.AddRow(map(lambda x, s=' '*5: s+x+s, ('Defer', 'Approve', 'Reject', 'Discard'))) buttons.AddRow([Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.DEFER, 1)), Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.APPROVE, 0)), Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.REJECT, 0)), Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.DISCARD, 0)), ]) Change the DEFER default to '0' from '1' and change DISCARD from '0' to '1' and then when you visit the web page, the default action selected is to DISCARD the pending message; after a quick scan to look for 'legit' messages, you can drop them all in one click. You're welcome; that'll be $1.5M. :-) /jordan From brad.knowles at skynet.be Mon Aug 11 19:58:22 2003 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:58:22 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Script Alternative to Radio Buttons? In-Reply-To: <20030811174815.39686.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030811174815.39686.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 10:48 AM -0700 2003/08/11, C. Kay Wellens wrote: > It takes a very long time (one or more hours per day) > to click the "discard" radio button for each mail > message per mailing list, and then finally click on > the "Submit All Data" button. Search the archives. There's already been at least one discussion on this topic, and a source code change suggested that would make the default to be "discard" for all mailing lists on the system. You could quickly scan the messages for each list, choose a different radio button for each non-spam message, and then hit the "Submit All" button to discard everything else. If you're really desperate, the same people who found that source code change might be willing to help you develop script alternative to do the same thing from the command line. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Aug 11 20:26:21 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:26:21 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Script Alternative to Radio Buttons? In-Reply-To: <074701c36031$f1664020$d458a6d1@rupt> References: <20030811174815.39686.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> <074701c36031$f1664020$d458a6d1@rupt> Message-ID: <1060626378.2637.41.camel@Anncons4> On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 13:56, Jordan Hayes wrote: > > We need a command line script alternative to the web > > page radio buttons, and we are willing to pay for it! > > Here's what I did: in Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py, there's some code that > looks like this: > > buttons.AddRow(map(lambda x, s=' '*5: s+x+s, > ('Defer', 'Approve', 'Reject', 'Discard'))) > buttons.AddRow([Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.DEFER, 1)), > Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.APPROVE, 0)), > Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.REJECT, 0)), > Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.DISCARD, 0)), > ]) > > > Change the DEFER default to '0' from '1' and change DISCARD from '0' to > '1' and then when you visit the web page, the default action selected is > to DISCARD the pending message; after a quick scan to look for 'legit' > messages, you can drop them all in one click. > > You're welcome; that'll be $1.5M. > > :-) > > /jordan Well you have got to be using Mailman version 2.0... In which case, Jordan solution is ideal for you! If you don't want to re-install, then you can use the work-around that is in the FAQ. http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.012.htp Basically, you store a copy of the empty request.db file, then you can delete the messages manually at anytime and replace the old request.db with the empty one. rm ~mailman/data/heldmsg--* 2> /dev/null cp ~mailman/lists//orig.request.db ~mailman/lists//request.db If you want, you could box it in a script like so: #! /bin/bash # # Mailman 2.0 work around to manually delete held messages # Note: go through the web interface and scan first (if you like) # then run this script for the list. # # Note: orig.request.db is a copy of an empty request.db database # that has been copied to ~mailman/data/orig.request.db # # Input: The name of an existing list # If [ "xxx" == "xxx$1" ]; then echo Please input the name of a Mailman List exit 0 fi # if [ ! -d ~mailman/lists/$1 ]; then echo Invalid list name (use all lower case) exit 0 fi # rm ~mailman/data/heldmsg-$1-* 2> /dev/null cp ~mailman/data/orig.request.db ~mailman/lists/$1/request.db That should do it for you! Enjoy - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Aug 11 20:48:46 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:48:46 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: qrunner with over 90% CPU In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030811105646.0807c710@mail.thcwd.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030810210102.081169e8@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030810171018.02a57200@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030810171018.02a57200@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030810210102.081169e8@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030811105646.0807c710@mail.thcwd.com> Message-ID: <1060627724.3006.9.camel@Anncons4> Sorry to pepper you with so many questions... but here are some more... What do you get when you type: cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max cat /proc/sys/kernel/threads-max On one of my well-running RH 9 boxes, I get: cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max 26208 cat /proc/sys/kernel/threads-max 4095 You can adjust these values by becoming root and typing in something like: echo 16384 > /proc/sys/fs/file-max echo 2048 > /proc/sys/kernel/threads-max Note: this is not a recommendation (well it is, but it's not *my* recommendation...) BTW: I'm guessing that you are not running either NFS or NIS (NIS is a way of sharing user information amoung a lot of unix servers) I also guess that hda1 is your /boot and that hda3 is / That indicates that your install is using one IDE drive. I hope your mail traffic is not too high! You might want to drop the Open Relay checks for a week and see if that makes a difference. I'm not sure, but Sendmail may be holding open the access.db file while it does these checks. Jon Carnes ====== On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 12:12, Paul H Byerly wrote: > Jon Carnes wrote: > >Are you running NFS or NIS on the server? > > I don't have NFS on the system, so I'd say NIS. > > > How big are your volumes? > > hda1 is 99 Mb with 6 Mb used > hda3 is 54 Gig with 9 gigs used > > > >Are the errors always on trying to open "/etc/mail/access.db" or do they > >occur for other files as well? > > All are "/etc/mail/access.db" > > >Finally, what modifications (if any) have you made to Sendmail? > > Other than some open relay rejection features, nothing. > > > <>< Paul > From mhm at austin.ibm.com Mon Aug 11 21:11:17 2003 From: mhm at austin.ibm.com (Michael H Moran) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:11:17 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Howto on front ending exchange ? Message-ID: <1060629041.27827.8.camel@localhost> Anyone written or know of a HowTo on frontending exchange servers ? Thanks in advance Mike From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Aug 11 21:38:58 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:38:58 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Howto on front ending exchange ? In-Reply-To: <1060629041.27827.8.camel@localhost> References: <1060629041.27827.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1060630734.3006.20.camel@Anncons4> On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 15:10, Michael H Moran wrote: > Anyone written or know of a HowTo on frontending exchange > servers ? > > Thanks in advance > Mike > I've done it plenty of times with mailman (and spamassassin, and even clam). This is not a big deal but is easier if your Exchange server is internal and your using a Unix-like server for the external mail exchange. If you look at the SpamAssassin site, there used to be a nice article that talks about three different configurations for using SA with Exchange. The setup would be very similar to using mailman. If you want more specific advice, then please provide more specific information regarding your setup. Good luck - Jon Carnes From ahkitj at jnawk.net.nz Mon Aug 11 22:13:20 2003 From: ahkitj at jnawk.net.nz (Jonathan Ah Kit) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:13:20 +1200 (NZST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'recipient list too long'? -- [dr-fun-changes] http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/ has changed. (fwd) Message-ID: Hi The message below got bunged onto me as moderator even though I have an explicit non-member approve for this sender, ahkitj at greta.electric.gen.nz. Mailman said the recipient list was too long, and to shorten it. However, of course, as moderator I approved it. This is a big 'um' for me, as I run another mailing list on this server, internet-news, where the moderator there crossposts to about five mailing lists! The real name 'Doctor Fun website changes list' I suspect may be at fault, but I don't see how that *should* make the recipient list too long. Ideas, people? I'd rather not approve messages every time unless I have to (though changing the real name might be a good idea, but again, I'd rather not if I don't have to). Thanks Jonathan -- Jonathan Ah Kit - Lower Hutt - New Zealand jonathan at ah-kit.dropbear.id.au - http://www.ah-kit.dropbear.id.au/ ahkitj at paradise.net.nz - ICQ#9747234 - http://www.electric.gen.nz/ Away message: Looking for adhesive tape, not Alibrandi. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:01:03 +1200 From: Jonathan Ah Kit To: Doctor Fun website changes list Subject: [dr-fun-changes] http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/ has changed. Latest changes to http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/ _______________________________________________ 8,11c8 < See below for an announcement about file locations, especially < if you are running a mirror site, or want to run a mirror < site, or are getting the cartoons via ftp from ibiblio. < Thanks. --- > File locations have been moved from /ftp the /html on ibiblio. 44a42,43 > August 11, 2003 - All the stuff described below has been done. > _______________________________________________ dr-fun-changes mailing list http://greta.electric.gen.nz/mailman/listinfo/dr-fun-changes http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/ http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/books.htm http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/faq.html http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/book-faq.html Note: URLs aren't in this diff. :( From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk Mon Aug 11 22:42:39 2003 From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:42:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'recipient list too long'? -- [dr-fun-changes] http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/ has changed. (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5926B536-CC3C-11D7-9EAE-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 09:13 pm, Jonathan Ah Kit wrote: > Hi > > The message below got bunged onto me as moderator even though I have an > explicit non-member approve for this sender, > ahkitj at greta.electric.gen.nz. > Mailman said the recipient list was too long, and to shorten it. > However, > of course, as moderator I approved it. > > This is a big 'um' for me, as I run another mailing list on this > server, > internet-news, where the moderator there crossposts to about five > mailing > lists! The real name 'Doctor Fun website changes list' I suspect may > be at > fault, but I don't see how that *should* make the recipient list too > long. > You are probably seeing the effect of the value of the 'Ceiling on acceptable number of recipients for a posting' option on the Privacy->Recipient web admin GUI page. The issue is the number of recipients on the incoming message NOT the number of people on the list(s) to which the outgoing distribution will go. > Ideas, people? I'd rather not approve messages every time unless I > have to > (though changing the real name might be a good idea, but again, I'd > rather > not if I don't have to). > > Thanks > Jonathan > > -- > Jonathan Ah Kit - Lower Hutt - New Zealand > jonathan at ah-kit.dropbear.id.au - http://www.ah-kit.dropbear.id.au/ > ahkitj at paradise.net.nz - ICQ#9747234 - http://www.electric.gen.nz/ > Away message: Looking for adhesive tape, not Alibrandi. > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:01:03 +1200 > From: Jonathan Ah Kit > To: Doctor Fun website changes list > > Subject: [dr-fun-changes] http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/ has changed. > > Latest changes to http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/ > _______________________________________________ > 8,11c8 > < See below for an announcement about file locations, especially > < if you are running a mirror site, or want to run a mirror > < site, or are getting the cartoons via ftp from ibiblio. > < Thanks. > --- >> File locations have been moved from /ftp the /html on ibiblio. > 44a42,43 >> August 11, 2003 - All the stuff described below has been done. >> > > _______________________________________________ > dr-fun-changes mailing list > http://greta.electric.gen.nz/mailman/listinfo/dr-fun-changes > http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/ > http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/books.htm > http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/faq.html > http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/book-faq.html > Note: URLs aren't in this diff. :( From bronto at csd-bes.net Mon Aug 11 14:43:17 2003 From: bronto at csd-bes.net (Rob Brandt) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:43:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public/private archives problem. In-Reply-To: <1060592336.d1c6c30add0f4@horde.csd-bes.net> References: <1060592336.d1c6c30add0f4@horde.csd-bes.net> Message-ID: <1060605797.62d564a20e0ba@horde.csd-bes.net> The problem is resolved, with great help from Richard. For the sake of posterity, let the mailing list archives show: * Be sure you have proper virtual host mapping (add_virtualhost()) in mm_cfg.py; * Be sure that the list setting for "Host name this list prefers for email" is in fact your mail exchange address, not a base URL for browsing (which was my problem); * Run fix_url.py Thanks Rob Quoting Rob Brandt : > Richard; > > Thanks for your help in this. I am going to email you a link to my > "testlist", > which you can log into as an administrator and see for yourself what the > problem is. My server does not run CPanel, so I don't think that's an issue > here. My server is sitting here next to my desk, so I have full control if > you > need any information. > > Best Regards > > Rob > > > Quoting Richard Barrett : > > > Tony > > > > The questions I am asking are to elicit information that will > > distinguish between and identify whether there is a problem with (a) > > Mailman or (b) misconfiguration of Mailman or (c) third party > > modifications made to Mailman or (d) other aspects of the host system > > configuration such as the Apache server. > > > > You are complaining about links but I can interpret that in several > > ways: > > > > 1. whether the URL of concern is accepted and served by the Apache > > server when you think/prefer it should or should not be. > > > > 2. whether the URL of concern is found embedded in the HTML text of a > > web page generated by Mailman as either a static page or by a Mailman > > CGI script. > > > > 3. whether the URL of concern is found embedded in the HTML text of a > > web page generated by something other than Mailman as either a static > > page or as one delivered by a CGI script. > > > > I must have been having a stupid day as I was not entirely clear from > > either the referenced bug report or your initial post about which of > > these interpretations I should adopt. > > > > Now see further comments below. > > > > Richard > > > > On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 01:14 pm, Tony wrote: > > > > > Hi Richard, > > > > > > Quoting Richard Barrett : > > >> Rob's bug report, as with yours, lack precision in specifying exactly > > >> which Mailman generated pages have links on them which contain (in the > > >> HTML text), absolute URLs referring to the wrong hostname. See my > > >> comments below on the broadfer questions that need to be answered in > > >> order to attack the perceived problem. > > > > > > Sorry, I thought it was clear enough. I will elaborate. > > > > > >> I do not work with it myself, but I believe that the CPanel virtual > > >> hosting support software, which your hosting provider may be using, > > >> does perform some trickery to help avoid conflicts between list names > > >> on different virtual hosts. If your hosting provider is using that and > > >> something related to it is misconfigured then this may be contributing > > >> to the problem. > > > > > > Correct. The list directory gets names _ to avoid > > > conflicts > > > with any other similarly named lists. CPanel is what is being used in > > > this > > > case. > > > > > > This means that any other virtual host on the server can access the > > > mail > > > archives by providing the correct path name to the list. > > > > > >> When you say "if the archive is public, then the address is > > >> http://myhostingprovidersservername.com/pipermail/listname" what > > >> precisely do you mean? > > > > > > What I mean is that the link to the archives, and only this link, from > > > what I > > > can see, shows the hosting provider's server name and not the virtual > > > domain > > > for the client. > > > > > > Example: > > > I have a list called "test" on clientdomain1. > > > > > > The path to the list and all the admin pages etc is > > > http://clientdomain1/mailman//test_clientdomain1/ > > > > > > This list could also be accessed by another virtual domain on the same > > > server > > > as: > > > http://clientdomain2/mailman//test_clientdomain1/ > > > > > > When the archives are set to public, the archive address is: > > > http://clientdomain1/mailman/private/test_clientdomain1/ > > > > Did you mean the statement immediately above or are you just reflecting > > on the fact that a public list is still available through its private > > list URL? > > > > > > > > When the list archives are set to public, then the archive address is: > > > http://hostingproviderservername/pipermail/test_clientdomain1/ > > > > > > I would expect this to read: > > > http://clientdomain1/pipermail/test_clientdomain1/ > > > or similar. > > > > > > This appears the same on both the main page for the list and in the > > > admin > > > interface. > > > > > > > Just to confirm; do you mean the web pages returned by the URLs > > http://clientdomain1/mailman/listinfo/test_clientdomain1 and > > http://clientdomain1/mailman/admin/test_clientdomain1? > > > > I am now talking about plain vanilla, unmodified, MM 2.1.2 code. The > > GetBaseArchiveURL() function used to generate the links to both public > > and private list archives. Its operation is subtly different in two > > cases although both depend upon the values in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS > > dictionary which is conventionally constructed by calls to the > > add_virtualhosts() function in the MM configuration file mm_cfg.py. > > > > In the case of a public archive, the function does a lookup for the > > list's host_name attribute (visible/editable on the General Options > > page of the list) in an inversion of the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary. The > > actual statement that forms the URL is: > > > > url = mm_cfg.PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL % { > > 'listname': self.internal_name(), > > 'hostname': inv.get(self.host_name, mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL_HOST), > > } > > > > This works reliably on vanilla MM installation with a correctly set up > > VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary, so long as each URL_FQDN key in the > > dictionary is associated with a unique EMAIL_FQDN value. > > > > If the list's host_name is not found then the DEFAULT_URL_HOST value, > > which is likely to be that of your myhostingprovidersservername.com, > > will be used. > > > > I have no idea as to how CPanel integrates with Mailman or how the > > mm_cfg.py Mailman configuration file is maintained as new domains are > > hosted by a server on the system you are depending on. > > > > My best guess is that something that should be done is not being done > > and you are getting the DEFAULT_URL_HOST in your public archive URL. I > > do not think you are seeing a bug in Mailman per se. > > > > > > > >> Or are there links on other pages on the server that have the > > >> 'defective' domain in their URLs? > > > > > > No. > > > > > >> To get much further with diagnosing the problem will need a bit more > > >> input from you. > > > > > > I hope I have provided enough info for you - if not, please tell me > > > what else > > > you need to know. > > > > > > many thanks, > > > > > > Tony > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: bronto at csd-bes.net > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bronto%40csd-bes.net > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: bronto at csd-bes.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bronto%40csd-bes.net > From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon Aug 11 23:39:16 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:39:16 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public/private archives problem. Message-ID: <4206CADE-CC44-11D7-9EAE-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Forgot to copy list on this: Begin forwarded message: > From: Richard Barrett > Date: Mon Aug 11, 2003 6:09:10 pm Europe/London > To: Tony > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Public/private archives problem. > > Tony > > On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 04:50 pm, Tony wrote: > >> Hi Richard, >> >> Quoting Richard Barrett : >>> I must have been having a stupid day as I was not entirely clear from >>> either the referenced bug report or your initial post about which of >>> these interpretations I should adopt. >> >> Nah, I'm sure it's down to the way I wrote it :/ >> We all have off days..... >> >>>> Example: >>>> I have a list called "test" on clientdomain1. >>>> >>>> The path to the list and all the admin pages etc is >>>> http://clientdomain1/mailman//test_clientdomain1/ >>>> >>>> This list could also be accessed by another virtual domain on the >>>> same >>>> server >>>> as: >>>> http://clientdomain2/mailman//test_clientdomain1/ >>>> >>>> When the archives are set to public, the archive address is: >>>> http://clientdomain1/mailman/private/test_clientdomain1/ >>> >>> Did you mean the statement immediately above or are you just >>> reflecting >>> on the fact that a public list is still available through its private >>> list URL? >> >> No, I was being stupid. The above statement should have read: >> When the archives are set to public, the archive address is: >> http://hostingproviderservername/pipermail/test_clientdomain1/ >> >> >>>> This appears the same on both the main page for the list and in the >>>> admin >>>> interface. >>>> >>> >>> Just to confirm; do you mean the web pages returned by the URLs >>> http://clientdomain1/mailman/listinfo/test_clientdomain1 and >>> http://clientdomain1/mailman/admin/test_clientdomain1? >> >> Yes, these are the pages that report the archive location to br the >> hostingproviderservername address. >> >>> I am now talking about plain vanilla, unmodified, MM 2.1.2 code. The >>> GetBaseArchiveURL() function used to generate the links to both >>> public >>> and private list archives. Its operation is subtly different in two >>> cases although both depend upon the values in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS >>> dictionary which is conventionally constructed by calls to the >>> add_virtualhosts() function in the MM configuration file mm_cfg.py. >> [....] >> >> What is happening in the case of a private archive that the 'correct' >> host name >> is being returned? > > When generating a reference to a private archive the > GetBaseArchiveURL() function uses a different list attribute called > web_page_url. The standard MM 2.1.2 web creation scripts, both web and > command line, set web_page_url and host_name in a compatible way. So > too does the the fix_url script referred to by earlier posts on this > subject. > >> Is there a reason the two are different? > > If I am honest, it is not immediately obvious to me why the difference > in computing the hostname used in private and public archive URLs. But > with a properly configured vanilla Mailman installation, the results > should be same in either case. > >> What would happen if they were both the same? >> >> Unfortunately, I am not in a position to check out what is being done >> on the >> server, since I am merely a client and have bugger all access to the >> server :( >> > > But you could check the 'Host name this list prefers for email' option > on the General Options page of one of your problem lists (3rd from > last option with MM 2.1.2). Does this look to be correct? I would > expect it to. > >> As you say, it could be how CPanel have integrated mm, or it could be >> a >> configuration issue with how they set it up. > > There is fresh news. There is good news and there is bad news. > > The good news is that you are not alone. I have just fooled around > with a demo CPanel facility of a web hosting supplier. Lo and behold > the the links to the list archives - the /pipermail URLs - switch from > the virtual host name to the base server host name; see: > > http://free-try-before-buy.com/mailman/listinfo/delist_free-try- > before-buy.com > > and follow the list archive link. Lo and behold you get to: > > http://server.6np.net/pipermail/delist_free-try-before-buy.com/ > > although the 'desired' URL works OK: > > http://free-try-before-buy.com/pipermail/delist_free-try-before- > buy.com/ > > The bad news is that this looks like a built in 'feature' of the > current CPanel implementation. > > My guess is that the CPanel's own scripts are used by CPanel in place > of the standard Mailman scripts to create new lists and that these > scripts set the list web_page_url and host_name attributes directly > but without adding any matching add_virtualhost() calls to mm_cfg.py > to expand the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary. > > This would not be a major surprise as the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary > stuff now in Mailman is a MM 2.1.x introduction and CPanel basic > implementation predates it with MM 2.0.x. > > If I can find time I will look at the issue a bit harder but right now > I cannot see any easy solution for you. Basically it looks to me like > a rough edge on the CPanel implementation rather than a bug in > Mailman. > >> Can you suggest anywhere I can look (or point the hosting provider >> at) that >> discusses the configuration in detail so we can try to establish >> where the >> problem lies? >> > > You could try posting a query to one of support forums on > www.cpanel.com to see if one of their support people can confirm/deny > my hypothesis and hopefully offer a solution. > > Let me know how you get on. > >> thanks, >> >> Tony >> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk > From tony-mm at arielbusiness.com Mon Aug 11 23:54:31 2003 From: tony-mm at arielbusiness.com (tony-mm at arielbusiness.com) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:54:31 +0100 Subject: FW: [Mailman-Users] Public/private archives problem. Message-ID: Forgot to copy to list - the reply defaulting to the sender caught me out :) -----Original Message----- From: Tony Butler [mailto:abutler at arielbusiness.com] On Behalf Of Tony Sent: 11 August 2003 22:53 To: 'Richard Barrett' Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Public/private archives problem. Hi Richard, > > Is there a reason the two are different? > > If I am honest, it is not immediately obvious to me why the > difference > in computing the hostname used in private and public archive > URLs. But > with a properly configured vanilla Mailman installation, the results > should be same in either case. LOL, thanks for your honesty. I see what you're saying about vanilla MM, but sadly I have to use the bananna flavoured version :/ > But you could check the 'Host name this list prefers for > email' option > on the General Options page of one of your problem lists (3rd > from last > option with MM 2.1.2). Does this look to be correct? I would > expect it to. Yes, this is correct. > > As you say, it could be how CPanel have integrated mm, or > it could be a > > configuration issue with how they set it up. > > There is fresh news. There is good news and there is bad news. > > The good news is that you are not alone. I have just fooled [..] > The bad news is that this looks like a built in 'feature' of the > current CPanel implementation. Deep joy :( Still, thanks for checking it out - it means I can at least eliminate my hosting provider from my enquiries.... > My guess is that the CPanel's own scripts are used by CPanel > in place > of the standard Mailman scripts to create new lists and that these > scripts set the list web_page_url and host_name attributes > directly but > without adding any matching add_virtualhost() calls to mm_cfg.py to > expand the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary. Okey doke, so if I say to the Cpanel people that they "need to add matching add_virtualhost() calls to mm_cfg.py to expand the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary." Then they should understand what that means, since they've been doing their own scripts? > This would not be a major surprise as the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary > stuff now in Mailman is a MM 2.1.x introduction and CPanel basic > implementation predates it with MM 2.0.x. K. 2.1.2 was only recently added to Cpanel AFAIK.... > If I can find time I will look at the issue a bit harder but > right now I cannot see any easy solution for you. Basically it looks to > me like a rough edge on the CPanel implementation rather than a bug in Mailman. Thanks. An "easy" solution would be for private and public to do the same thing, but I'd still have to convince the Cpanel guys to implement and my hosting provider to upgrade :( You have been a great help already by getting me this far. Much appreciated. > You could try posting a query to one of support forums on > www.cpanel.com to see if one of their support people can > confirm/deny my hypothesis and hopefully offer a solution. Funnily enough, I'd just registered on their forums before I read your email. > Let me know how you get on. Will do. Kind regards, Tony From tony-mm at arielbusiness.com Mon Aug 11 23:55:21 2003 From: tony-mm at arielbusiness.com (tony-mm at arielbusiness.com) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:55:21 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public/private archives problem. In-Reply-To: <1060605797.62d564a20e0ba@horde.csd-bes.net> Message-ID: Good for you Rob! Sadly, as you will see in the posts from Richard and I, that does not appear to be the problem in my case. I will report to Cpanel and see what they say.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Brandt [mailto:bronto at csd-bes.net] > Sent: 11 August 2003 13:43 > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Public/private archives problem. > > > The problem is resolved, with great help from Richard. For > the sake of posterity, let the mailing list archives show: > > * Be sure you have proper virtual host mapping > (add_virtualhost()) in mm_cfg.py; > * Be sure that the list setting for "Host name this list > prefers for email" is in fact your mail exchange address, not > a base URL for browsing (which was my problem); > * Run fix_url.py > > Thanks > > Rob > > > > Quoting Rob Brandt : > > > Richard; > > > > Thanks for your help in this. I am going to email you a link to my > > "testlist", which you can log into as an administrator and see for > > yourself what the problem is. My server does not run CPanel, so I > > don't think that's an issue here. My server is sitting > here next to > > my desk, so I have full control if you > > need any information. > > > > Best Regards > > > > Rob > > > > > > Quoting Richard Barrett : > > > > > Tony > > > > > > The questions I am asking are to elicit information that will > > > distinguish between and identify whether there is a > problem with (a) > > > Mailman or (b) misconfiguration of Mailman or (c) third party > > > modifications made to Mailman or (d) other aspects of the host > > > system configuration such as the Apache server. > > > > > > You are complaining about links but I can interpret that > in several > > > ways: > > > > > > 1. whether the URL of concern is accepted and served by > the Apache > > > server when you think/prefer it should or should not be. > > > > > > 2. whether the URL of concern is found embedded in the > HTML text of > > > a web page generated by Mailman as either a static page or by a > > > Mailman CGI script. > > > > > > 3. whether the URL of concern is found embedded in the > HTML text of > > > a web page generated by something other than Mailman as either a > > > static page or as one delivered by a CGI script. > > > > > > I must have been having a stupid day as I was not entirely clear > > > from either the referenced bug report or your initial post about > > > which of these interpretations I should adopt. > > > > > > Now see further comments below. > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 01:14 pm, Tony wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Richard, > > > > > > > > Quoting Richard Barrett : > > > >> Rob's bug report, as with yours, lack precision in specifying > > > >> exactly which Mailman generated pages have links on them which > > > >> contain (in the HTML text), absolute URLs referring to > the wrong > > > >> hostname. See my comments below on the broadfer questions that > > > >> need to be answered in order to attack the perceived problem. > > > > > > > > Sorry, I thought it was clear enough. I will elaborate. > > > > > > > >> I do not work with it myself, but I believe that the CPanel > > > >> virtual hosting support software, which your hosting > provider may > > > >> be using, does perform some trickery to help avoid conflicts > > > >> between list names on different virtual hosts. If your hosting > > > >> provider is using that and something related to it is > > > >> misconfigured then this may be contributing to the problem. > > > > > > > > Correct. The list directory gets names _ to > > > > avoid conflicts with any other similarly named lists. > CPanel is > > > > what is being used in this > > > > case. > > > > > > > > This means that any other virtual host on the server can access > > > > the mail archives by providing the correct path name to > the list. > > > > > > > >> When you say "if the archive is public, then the address is > > > >> > http://myhostingprovidersservername.com/pipermail/listname" what > > > >> precisely do you mean? > > > > > > > > What I mean is that the link to the archives, and only > this link, > > > > from what I can see, shows the hosting provider's > server name and > > > > not the virtual domain > > > > for the client. > > > > > > > > Example: > > > > I have a list called "test" on clientdomain1. > > > > > > > > The path to the list and all the admin pages etc is > > > > http://clientdomain1/mailman//test_clientdomain1/ > > > > > > > > This list could also be accessed by another virtual > domain on the > > > > same server > > > > as: http://clientdomain2/mailman//test_clientdomain1/ > > > > > > > > When the archives are set to public, the archive address is: > > > > http://clientdomain1/mailman/private/test_clientdomain1/ > > > > > > Did you mean the statement immediately above or are you just > > > reflecting on the fact that a public list is still > available through > > > its private list URL? > > > > > > > > > > > When the list archives are set to public, then the > archive address > > > > is: > http://hostingproviderservername/pipermail/test_clientdomain1/ > > > > > > > > I would expect this to read: > > > > http://clientdomain1/pipermail/test_clientdomain1/ > > > > or similar. > > > > > > > > This appears the same on both the main page for the list and in > > > > the admin interface. > > > > > > > > > > Just to confirm; do you mean the web pages returned by the URLs > > > http://clientdomain1/mailman/listinfo/test_clientdomain1 and > > > http://clientdomain1/mailman/admin/test_clientdomain1? > > > > > > I am now talking about plain vanilla, unmodified, MM > 2.1.2 code. The > > > GetBaseArchiveURL() function used to generate the links to both > > > public and private list archives. Its operation is subtly > different > > > in two cases although both depend upon the values in the > > > VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary which is conventionally constructed by > > > calls to the > > > add_virtualhosts() function in the MM configuration file > mm_cfg.py. > > > > > > In the case of a public archive, the function does a > lookup for the > > > list's host_name attribute (visible/editable on the > General Options > > > page of the list) in an inversion of the VIRTUAL_HOSTS > dictionary. > > > The actual statement that forms the URL is: > > > > > > url = mm_cfg.PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL % { > > > 'listname': self.internal_name(), > > > 'hostname': inv.get(self.host_name, > mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL_HOST), > > > } > > > > > > This works reliably on vanilla MM installation with a > correctly set > > > up VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary, so long as each URL_FQDN key in the > > > dictionary is associated with a unique EMAIL_FQDN value. > > > > > > If the list's host_name is not found then the DEFAULT_URL_HOST > > > value, which is likely to be that of your > > > myhostingprovidersservername.com, will be used. > > > > > > I have no idea as to how CPanel integrates with Mailman > or how the > > > mm_cfg.py Mailman configuration file is maintained as new domains > > > are hosted by a server on the system you are depending on. > > > > > > My best guess is that something that should be done is not being > > > done and you are getting the DEFAULT_URL_HOST in your > public archive > > > URL. I do not think you are seeing a bug in Mailman per se. > > > > > > > > > > >> Or are there links on other pages on the server that have the > > > >> 'defective' domain in their URLs? > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > >> To get much further with diagnosing the problem will > need a bit > > > >> more input from you. > > > > > > > > I hope I have provided enough info for you - if not, > please tell > > > > me what else you need to know. > > > > > > > > many thanks, > > > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > > > Richard Barrett > http://www.openinfo.co.uk > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > > This message was sent to: bronto at csd-bes.net > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bronto%40 csd-be > > s.net > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: bronto at csd-bes.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bronto%40csd-bes. > net > ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: tony-mm at arielbusiness.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/tony-mm%40arielbusi ness.com From paul at thcwd.com Tue Aug 12 03:12:45 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:12:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: qrunner with over 90% CPU In-Reply-To: <1060627724.3006.9.camel@Anncons4> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030811105646.0807c710@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030810210102.081169e8@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030810171018.02a57200@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030810171018.02a57200@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030810210102.081169e8@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030811105646.0807c710@mail.thcwd.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030811200434.08194b70@mail.thcwd.com> Jon Carnes wrote: >Sorry to pepper you with so many questions.. Hey, anything that might help. >What do you get when you type: > cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max 65000 > cat /proc/sys/kernel/threads-max 4086 >On one of my well-running RH 9 boxes, I'm on 7.1. > I get: > > cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max > 26208 I'm more than double that. Is more too many? > cat /proc/sys/kernel/threads-max > 4095 I'm very close to that. >You can adjust these values by becoming root and typing in something like: > echo 16384 > /proc/sys/fs/file-max > echo 2048 > /proc/sys/kernel/threads-max > >Note: this is not a recommendation (well it is, but it's not *my* >recommendation...) Both of which are well less than what I have. What would this do? >BTW: I'm guessing that you are not running either NFS or NIS (NIS is a way >of sharing user information amoung a lot of unix servers) Sounds right. >I also guess that hda1 is your /boot and that hda3 is / Correct >That indicates that your install is using one IDE drive. Right again. >I hope your mail traffic is not too high! Not yet, but it will be in time as I move more lists. I am way over due for some upgrades and the box no longer covers what I need, so I'm looking to move to a new server. I'm thinking a two HD box running C-panel, and I'm looking to run a better MTA than sendmail. >You might want to drop the Open Relay checks for a week and see if that >makes a difference. I'm not sure, but Sendmail may be holding open the >access.db file while it does these checks. Could be, but my lists are currently announcement lists that send at a low mail time. I once let the runaway process go for 15 minutes to see if it would clear, it did not. The open relay checks cut my mail volume substantially, and I suspect I'd hear from some customers if I stop them. Thanks for the help. <>< Paul From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Aug 12 03:34:40 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:34:40 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: qrunner with over 90% CPU In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030811200434.08194b70@mail.thcwd.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030811105646.0807c710@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030810210102.081169e8@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030810171018.02a57200@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030810171018.02a57200@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030810210102.081169e8@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030811105646.0807c710@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030811200434.08194b70@mail.thcwd.com> Message-ID: <1060652073.3674.20.camel@Anncons4> On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 21:12, Paul H Byerly wrote: > >You can adjust these values by becoming root and typing in something like: > > echo 16384 > /proc/sys/fs/file-max > > echo 2048 > /proc/sys/kernel/threads-max > > > >Note: this is not a recommendation (well it is, but it's not *my* > >recommendation...) > > Both of which are well less than what I have. What would this do? For *you* it would make things worse! So don't change what you have. > >I hope your mail traffic is not too high! > > Not yet, but it will be in time as I move more lists. I am way over > due for some upgrades and the box no longer covers what I need, so I'm > looking to move to a new server. I'm thinking a two HD box running > C-panel, and I'm looking to run a better MTA than sendmail. > Hmmm, well you could experiment with Postfix now. You might have to mess with the GID's from the Mailman install, but other than that (which is a PITA) Postfix is pretty much a drop and insert replacement for Sendmail. > >You might want to drop the Open Relay checks for a week and see if that > >makes a difference. I'm not sure, but Sendmail may be holding open the > >access.db file while it does these checks. > > Could be, but my lists are currently announcement lists that send at > a low mail time. I once let the runaway process go for 15 minutes to see > if it would clear, it did not. The open relay checks cut my mail volume > substantially, and I suspect I'd hear from some customers if I stop them. > Well my thought, isn't that the checks are continuing on forever. I'm thinking that something in the Sendmail install is very time sensitive and that the Open Relay lookups stretch you beyond that time - holding open the access.db file (without proper locking). So that when some other child process from Sendmail attempts to access the access.db, it is blocked and never cleared by the parent. I've googled for the problem and at least two other folks changed MTA's and the problem went away... No other solutions though. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From paul at thcwd.com Tue Aug 12 05:07:11 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:07:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: qrunner with over 90% CPU In-Reply-To: <1060652073.3674.20.camel@Anncons4> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030811200434.08194b70@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030811105646.0807c710@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030810210102.081169e8@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030810171018.02a57200@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030810171018.02a57200@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030810210102.081169e8@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030811105646.0807c710@mail.thcwd.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030811200434.08194b70@mail.thcwd.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030811220334.08195110@mail.thcwd.com> Jon Carnes wrote: > > Both of which are well less than what I have. What would this do? > >For *you* it would make things worse! So don't change what you have. That's what I thought. > > Not yet, but it will be in time as I move more lists. I am way over > > due for some upgrades and the box no longer covers what I need, so I'm > > looking to move to a new server. I'm thinking a two HD box running > > C-panel, and I'm looking to run a better MTA than sendmail. > > >Hmmm, well you could experiment with Postfix now. You might have to mess >with the GID's from the Mailman install, but other than that (which is a >PITA) Postfix is pretty much a drop and insert replacement for Sendmail. I have learned that with a chrooted environment nothing is a drop in ANYTHING. I plan to have a good long overlap on the two servers, so I can play with the new one and get it right without upsetting any of the paying customers! Unless Postfix could be installed alone side of Sendmail and used just for MM. I've not looked into that, but I have a bad feeling about it. >I've googled for the problem and at least two other folks changed MTA's >and the problem went away... No other solutions though. Well that is my long term fix. Thanks. <>< Paul From jwofford at mste.uiuc.edu Tue Aug 12 13:55:23 2003 From: jwofford at mste.uiuc.edu (John Wofford) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 06:55:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listserv wide announcements? Message-ID: <1452.128.174.73.13.1060689323.squirrel@www.mste.uiuc.edu> I run reasonably large mailman list server, and I've recently been doing some upgrades. I've been on a time crunch or I wouldn't have pushed this to get to the point I'm in without knowing this, but here is my situation: Our list server runs with qmail, and as the alias creation has always been a bit of a pain, we decided to go with the mailman-to-qmail.py contrib script and migrate our lists over to an dedicated domain. The problem is this, I now need to notify everyone on ~50 lists that the e-mail address has now changed. This is somewhat urgent, as I don't want people to get too many bounced e-mails before they figure it out. Is there a nice, clean, and preferably easy way to send out an announcement to the *entire* listserve? Any other suggestions? Many thanks, -John From admin at xliners.org Tue Aug 12 14:03:23 2003 From: admin at xliners.org (Georges Engelmann) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:03:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with sendmail Message-ID: Hello, I Have problems getting mailman to work with sendmail. I followed the Readme.sendmail instructions, but always i send a mail to somelist at my.host i get an error that the user 'somelist' doesnt exist. Thx ------- Georges ENGELMANN (www.xliners.org) Webmaster & Server Admin E-Mail: gengelmann at xliners.org From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Aug 12 14:28:43 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:28:43 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with sendmail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <83463F30-CCC0-11D7-9EAE-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 01:03 pm, Georges Engelmann wrote: > Hello, > > I Have problems getting mailman to work with sendmail. I followed the > Readme.sendmail instructions, but always i send a mail to > somelist at my.host i get an error that the user 'somelist' doesnt exist. > If you are getting a 550 'User unknown' response from the MTA then have you added the aliases for your lists to Sendmail's aliases file and rebuilt its aliases database? The following FAQ page may be relevant: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.007.htp > Thx > > ------- > Georges ENGELMANN (www.xliners.org) > Webmaster & Server Admin > E-Mail: gengelmann at xliners.org From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Aug 12 15:21:45 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:21:45 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listserv wide announcements? In-Reply-To: <1452.128.174.73.13.1060689323.squirrel@www.mste.uiuc.edu> References: <1452.128.174.73.13.1060689323.squirrel@www.mste.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <1060694499.2623.6.camel@Anncons4> On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 07:55, John Wofford wrote: > I run reasonably large mailman list server, and I've recently been doing > some upgrades. I've been on a time crunch or I wouldn't have pushed this > to get to the point I'm in without knowing this, but here is my situation: > > Our list server runs with qmail, and as the alias creation has always been > a bit of a pain, we decided to go with the mailman-to-qmail.py contrib > script and migrate our lists over to an dedicated domain. The problem is > this, I now need to notify everyone on ~50 lists that the e-mail address > has now changed. This is somewhat urgent, as I don't want people to get > too many bounced e-mails before they figure it out. Is there a nice, > clean, and preferably easy way to send out an announcement to the *entire* > listserve? Any other suggestions? > > Many thanks, > -John You'll have to send the message out to each list (as a valid member of each list). I hope you aren't discarding the old email addresses for the list. Instead, simply alias your old lists addresses to the new addresses - forward the traffic on to the new list names. You will have to do maintenance to each existing list (since you are changing the mailing address), as part of that maintenance add the old and new email addresses as valid implicit addresses for the list. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Aug 12 15:23:22 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:23:22 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with sendmail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1060694599.2623.8.camel@Anncons4> On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 08:03, Georges Engelmann wrote: > Hello, > > I Have problems getting mailman to work with sendmail. I followed the > Readme.sendmail instructions, but always i send a mail to > somelist at my.host i get an error that the user 'somelist' doesnt exist. > Look at FAQ 3.14, it should be able to guide you to functionality. Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py From webmaster at icevi.org Tue Aug 12 15:26:20 2003 From: webmaster at icevi.org (Victor Tsaran) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:26:20 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Managing archives Message-ID: <001501c360d5$5168a960$5f09a8c0@ppc.com> Hello, listers! Here is my situation. I am managing several lists for an international organization. Over the last couple of years our archives have grown quite large and, I am sure, that many of the messages are no longer necessary to keep. What is the easiest way for me to pull down the whole archive, convert it to something that can be reviewed/edited by the organization's secretary, pull it back together and reupload back to the server. Is there a tool that will allow me to do this? I myself don't have the time to carry out this task, however, I cannot expect the secretary to fool around with Unix mail boxes etc. Also, I have seen some web sites that zip their messages while archiving. How is this done? Thanks much for any response I can get on this. Regards, Vic From jwofford at mste.uiuc.edu Tue Aug 12 15:37:25 2003 From: jwofford at mste.uiuc.edu (John Wofford) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:37:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listserv wide announcements? In-Reply-To: <1060694499.2623.6.camel@Anncons4> References: <1452.128.174.73.13.1060689323.squirrel@www.mste.uiuc.edu> <1060694499.2623.6.camel@Anncons4> Message-ID: <1702.128.174.73.13.1060695445.squirrel@www.mste.uiuc.edu> > On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 07:55, John Wofford wrote: >> I run reasonably large mailman list server, and I've recently been >> doing some upgrades. I've been on a time crunch or I wouldn't have >> pushed this to get to the point I'm in without knowing this, but here >> is my situation: >> >> Our list server runs with qmail, and as the alias creation has always >> been a bit of a pain, we decided to go with the mailman-to-qmail.py >> contrib script and migrate our lists over to an dedicated domain. The >> problem is this, I now need to notify everyone on ~50 lists that the >> e-mail address has now changed. This is somewhat urgent, as I don't >> want people to get too many bounced e-mails before they figure it out. >> Is there a nice, clean, and preferably easy way to send out an >> announcement to the *entire* listserve? Any other suggestions? >> >> Many thanks, >> -John > > You'll have to send the message out to each list (as a valid member of > each list). > > I hope you aren't discarding the old email addresses for the list. > Instead, simply alias your old lists addresses to the new addresses - > forward the traffic on to the new list names. > > You will have to do maintenance to each existing list (since you are > changing the mailing address), as part of that maintenance add the old > and new email addresses as valid implicit addresses for the list. > > Good Luck - Jon Carnes Thanks for the prompt response. Of course, not entirely what I wanted to hear, but good to know what I have to do at least. I didn't have any option with the old domain, so hopefully a mass mailing will do the trick. -John From jdecarlo at mitre.org Tue Aug 12 15:50:13 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:50:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listserv wide announcements? In-Reply-To: <1702.128.174.73.13.1060695445.squirrel@www.mste.uiuc.edu> References: <1452.128.174.73.13.1060689323.squirrel@www.mste.uiuc.edu> <1060694499.2623.6.camel@Anncons4> <1702.128.174.73.13.1060695445.squirrel@www.mste.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <3F38F095.5020707@mitre.org> John, It is probably about the same amount of work, but you could also create an umbrella list to which all the other lists are subscribed. The tedious part would be making sure that the sender is allowed to post to all 50 lists, but you have to do that one way or another. Then the infrastructure would be in place should you need to make any other huge announcements. Of course you would have to be extra careful about spam or other stray messages. Probably would want to require moderation of every message sent to the umbrella list, even by you. John Wofford wrote: >>On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 07:55, John Wofford wrote: [snip] >>> Is there a nice, clean, and preferably easy way to send out an >>>announcement to the *entire* listserve? Any other suggestions? -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From bruce at uchicago.edu Tue Aug 12 16:10:22 2003 From: bruce at uchicago.edu (Bruce Mitzit) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:10:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listserv wide announcements? In-Reply-To: <3F38F095.5020707@mitre.org> References: <1452.128.174.73.13.1060689323.squirrel@www.mste.uiuc.edu> <1060694499.2623.6.camel@Anncons4> <1702.128.174.73.13.1060695445.squirrel@www.mste.uiuc.edu> <3F38F095.5020707@mitre.org> Message-ID: Hello, MM users--- After upgrading from mailman 2.0.9 to mailman-2.1.2, and tweaking all the things I could find to tweak, I still get this error emailed to me at the rate of about three a minute: Your "cron" job on urserver.uchicago.edu /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner produced the following output: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ? from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 26, in ? from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO Suggestions on how to fix, please? thanks, Bruce -- From BrentH at uca.edu Tue Aug 12 16:22:16 2003 From: BrentH at uca.edu (Brent Herring) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:22:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Prevent bounce back messages to moderators? Message-ID: We have an administrative type list with all employees as members. Only a small subset of members should be able to post messages. I created the list and made those members moderators. Now these moderators are not list admins, just the ones who can post. Whenever there is a bounce back message the moderators receive these notices as well as me. I would like for this to not happen but cannot figure out how to prevent the moderators from receiving the notices and still be the only ones who can post to the list. Any advise? D. Brent Herring Computer Services University of Central Arkansas From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Aug 12 16:33:46 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:33:46 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listserv wide announcements? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 03:10 pm, Bruce Mitzit wrote: > > Hello, MM users--- > > After upgrading from mailman 2.0.9 to mailman-2.1.2, and tweaking all > the things I could find to tweak, I still get this error emailed to me > at the rate of about three a minute: > > Your "cron" job on urserver.uchicago.edu > /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner > With Mailman 2.1.2 the qrunner is no longer run as a cron job. The 2.1.2 qrunners are run as daemons started by the $prefix/bin/mailmanctl script. Looks like, maybe, you did not remove the mailman user's crontab before doing the update and the old 2.0.9 crontab is still trying to do stuff. Did you take a look at the section 'UPGRADING FROM 2.0.x to 2.1' in the UPGRADING file in your MM 2.1.2 build director as part of your tweakingy? > produced the following output: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ? > from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 26, > in ? > from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO > ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO > > > Suggestions on how to fix, please? > > thanks, > Bruce ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From jdecarlo at mitre.org Tue Aug 12 16:38:52 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:38:52 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Prevent bounce back messages to moderators? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F38FBFC.5030704@mitre.org> Brent, The "moderator" role is to approve or disapprove messages. You don't have to make them moderators to let them post. Just make sure their "mod" flag is off and that the "mod" flag for everyone else is turned on. Brent Herring wrote: > We have an administrative type list with all employees as members. Only > a small subset of members should be able to post messages. I created the > list and made those members moderators. Now these moderators are not > list admins, just the ones who can post. Whenever there is a bounce back > message the moderators receive these notices as well as me. I would like > for this to not happen but cannot figure out how to prevent the > moderators from receiving the notices and still be the only ones who can > post to the list. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From jwofford at mste.uiuc.edu Tue Aug 12 16:49:06 2003 From: jwofford at mste.uiuc.edu (John Wofford) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:49:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listserv wide announcements? In-Reply-To: <3F38F095.5020707@mitre.org> References: <1452.128.174.73.13.1060689323.squirrel@www.mste.uiuc.edu> <1060694499.2623.6.camel@Anncons4> <1702.128.174.73.13.1060695445.squirrel@www.mste.uiuc.edu> <3F38F095.5020707@mitre.org> Message-ID: <1856.128.174.73.13.1060699746.squirrel@www.mste.uiuc.edu> John (also), I decided to go with this plan and it's worked out fairly well I believe. I only had to moderate on the parent list (by choice, per recommendation) and and the site-lits "mailman" which I mistakenly added in the batch. Thanks a ton for the idea. -John > John, > > It is probably about the same amount of work, but you could also create > an umbrella list to which all the other lists are subscribed. The > tedious part would be making sure that the sender is allowed to post to > all 50 lists, but you have to do that one way or another. > > Then the infrastructure would be in place should you need to make any > other huge announcements. > > Of course you would have to be extra careful about spam or other stray > messages. Probably would want to require moderation of every message > sent to the umbrella list, even by you. > > John Wofford wrote: > >>>On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 07:55, John Wofford wrote: > [snip] >>>> Is there a nice, clean, and preferably easy way to send out an >>>>announcement to the *entire* listserve? Any other suggestions? > > > -- > > John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own > > > > From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Aug 12 16:55:05 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:55:05 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Managing archives In-Reply-To: <001501c360d5$5168a960$5f09a8c0@ppc.com> References: <001501c360d5$5168a960$5f09a8c0@ppc.com> Message-ID: <1060700101.3944.17.camel@Anncons4> On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 09:26, Victor Tsaran wrote: > Hello, listers! > Here is my situation. I am managing several lists for an international > organization. Over the last couple of years our archives have grown quite > large and, I am sure, that many of the messages are no longer necessary to > keep. What is the easiest way for me to pull down the whole archive, convert > it to something that can be reviewed/edited by the organization's secretary, > pull it back together and reupload back to the server. Is there a tool that > will allow me to do this? I myself don't have the time to carry out this > task, however, I cannot expect the secretary to fool around with Unix mail > boxes etc. > Also, I have seen some web sites that zip their messages while archiving. > How is this done? > Thanks much for any response I can get on this. > Regards, > Vic > ------------------------------------------------------ You should be able to set it up so that the secretary can simply browse the archive emails via an email program and then delete the messages he thinks are not necessary. Mailman archives are stored in an mbox file on the server If you copy the mbox file to a computer running evolution (that's what I currently use for my email - and its great!) then he can read the messages as though they are simply local messages in the INBOX (or some other folder that you create). Once he deletes the extraneous messages, he does an "expunge" or rebuild on the mailbox! Now you have a new mbox that is ready to be copied back up to the Mailman archives. Once the mbox is put back in place, you will need to run the ~mailman/bin/arch command to rebuild the archives using the new mbox file. Aside: I wonder how hard it would be to build a web interface for editing the archives? We could use formail to break-out each of the old messages and move them into a holding directory, then scan the holding directory to get the subject/date from each message. Display those with a link to pull up the whole message, and a checkbox for deleting the message. Once you click done, the back-end cgi would reassembles the mbox by just cat-ing the remaining files back together - then it would back up the old mbox file and put this one in place. After that, it would run the Mailman arch program for the list. OR it would probably be easier to use the existing pipermail setup but add a delete field for use by an admin (running pipermail from a specified ip or from localhost), then use the built-in python libraries for handling mbox - after all, you are just deleting a message from an mbox file and that is a fairly boring/mundane task. Jon Carnes From BrentH at uca.edu Tue Aug 12 17:12:55 2003 From: BrentH at uca.edu (Brent Herring) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:12:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Prevent bounce back messages to moderators? Message-ID: Ok. I must have had some mental block. That is so obvious, I'm embarrassed that I asked. Thanks for your help. Brent. >>> John DeCarlo 8/12/2003 9:38:52 AM >>> Brent, The "moderator" role is to approve or disapprove messages. You don't have to make them moderators to let them post. Just make sure their "mod" flag is off and that the "mod" flag for everyone else is turned on. Brent Herring wrote: > We have an administrative type list with all employees as members. Only > a small subset of members should be able to post messages. I created the > list and made those members moderators. Now these moderators are not > list admins, just the ones who can post. Whenever there is a bounce back > message the moderators receive these notices as well as me. I would like > for this to not happen but cannot figure out how to prevent the > moderators from receiving the notices and still be the only ones who can > post to the list. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From vtsaran at icevi.org Tue Aug 12 17:18:42 2003 From: vtsaran at icevi.org (Victor Tsaran) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:18:42 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Managing archives In-Reply-To: <1060700101.3944.17.camel@Anncons4> Message-ID: <000501c360e5$04810f10$5f09a8c0@ppc.com> Hi, John! Do you think the access to the mbox can also be done through IMAP? I am not an administrator on this machine, just a list admin, but I need to know what to tell the root. Regards, Victor -----Original Message----- From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:55 AM To: vtsaran at icevi.org Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Managing archives On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 09:26, Victor Tsaran wrote: > Hello, listers! > Here is my situation. I am managing several lists for an international > organization. Over the last couple of years our archives have grown quite > large and, I am sure, that many of the messages are no longer necessary to > keep. What is the easiest way for me to pull down the whole archive, convert > it to something that can be reviewed/edited by the organization's secretary, > pull it back together and reupload back to the server. Is there a tool that > will allow me to do this? I myself don't have the time to carry out this > task, however, I cannot expect the secretary to fool around with Unix mail > boxes etc. > Also, I have seen some web sites that zip their messages while archiving. > How is this done? > Thanks much for any response I can get on this. > Regards, > Vic > ------------------------------------------------------ You should be able to set it up so that the secretary can simply browse the archive emails via an email program and then delete the messages he thinks are not necessary. Mailman archives are stored in an mbox file on the server If you copy the mbox file to a computer running evolution (that's what I currently use for my email - and its great!) then he can read the messages as though they are simply local messages in the INBOX (or some other folder that you create). Once he deletes the extraneous messages, he does an "expunge" or rebuild on the mailbox! Now you have a new mbox that is ready to be copied back up to the Mailman archives. Once the mbox is put back in place, you will need to run the ~mailman/bin/arch command to rebuild the archives using the new mbox file. Aside: I wonder how hard it would be to build a web interface for editing the archives? We could use formail to break-out each of the old messages and move them into a holding directory, then scan the holding directory to get the subject/date from each message. Display those with a link to pull up the whole message, and a checkbox for deleting the message. Once you click done, the back-end cgi would reassembles the mbox by just cat-ing the remaining files back together - then it would back up the old mbox file and put this one in place. After that, it would run the Mailman arch program for the list. OR it would probably be easier to use the existing pipermail setup but add a delete field for use by an admin (running pipermail from a specified ip or from localhost), then use the built-in python libraries for handling mbox - after all, you are just deleting a message from an mbox file and that is a fairly boring/mundane task. Jon Carnes From chrisw at iwl.com Mon Aug 11 19:22:05 2003 From: chrisw at iwl.com (Chris Wellens) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] script alternative to radio buttons? Message-ID: We need a command line script alternative to the web page radio buttons, and we are willing to pay for it! We have ten mailman mailing lists that we use very effectively with our customers and internal staff. Every day, our Administrator has to go to the "Pending Administrative Requests for mailing list ..." to get rid of all the spam posts. Often there are fifty or so per mailing list, so 500 unwanted administrative pieces of mail. It takes a very long time (one or more hours per day) to click the "discard" radio button for each mail message per mailing list, and then finally click on the "Submit All Data" button. Our administrator would like to quickly skim the pending messages, see if there are any that are bonafide messages that should be posted to the mailing list, and then discard all the rest in one fell swoop. If someone could write us a script that we could run from the Red Hat Linux command line, we are willing to pay for the development and resubmit to the community. We would like to do something like this: linux prompt% discard pendingmsgs mailinglistone where "discard" is the command, "pendingmsgs" is an argument, and "mailinglistone" is the name of the mailing list to get the treatment. We use Mailman 2.1.2 and RedHat Linux 9.x. We compiled our own version of Mailman because the one that shipped with RedHat did not work right. Our network administrator who set this all up says he is too busy to write the script for us, so that is why we are asking for help from the community. Thanks in advance. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ==--==- Chris Wellens President & CEO InterWorking Labs --==--= 108 Whispering Pines Dr, Ste 115, Scotts Valley, CA 95066-4792 ==--==- chrisw at iwl.com +1 831 430 3610 +1 831 430 9144 Fax ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From contato at canalcriciuma.com Tue Aug 12 13:30:17 2003 From: contato at canalcriciuma.com (Contato - #Criciuma) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:30:17 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Information !!! Message-ID: <000801c360c5$1ca4ebe0$0407a8c0@pmc.com.br> I?m using mailman in my server and I have a litle problem. My list (1 list only) have 1.400 mails on it... And I?m having bounce problem.... How many mails can be recorded to a list ??? Kirk From eboshoff at nied.edu.na Tue Aug 12 14:37:53 2003 From: eboshoff at nied.edu.na (Ms E. Boshoff) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:37:53 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem Message-ID: <008501c360ce$8d05c180$160010ac@nied.edu.na> Dear sir, I have the following problem: When I tried to creat a www.nied.edu.na mailing list the program told me that I am not authorized to create a new mailing list - what am I suppose to do? Our organisation want to use this program and I will be the listowner. Kind regards, Ms. Elbe Boshoff From gswallow at www.IN.gov Tue Aug 12 17:37:23 2003 From: gswallow at www.IN.gov (Greg Swallow) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:37:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] yet another undocumented, undiscussed bug Message-ID: <3F3909B3.3000008@www.IN.gov> Let's see how this one works...the last time I had a problem I got no response to two separate posts. We had a server crash yesterday, and I brought the server back online. Since then, I have this problem when viewing the mailman web interface or trying to run check_dbs: Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 42, in main listinfo_overview() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 87, in listinfo_overview mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 124, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 583, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 556, in __load dict = loadfunc(fp) AttributeError: 'dict' object has no attribute 'append' Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Apr 6 2003, 18:09:02) [GCC 3.2] sys.executable /usr/local/bin/python sys.prefix /usr/local sys.exec_prefix /usr/local sys.path /usr/local sys.platform sunos5 Environment variables: Variable Value HTTP_PRAGMA no-cache PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo SERVER_ADMIN admin at www.IN.gov SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/listinfo SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.27 Server at lists.IN.gov Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD GET HTTP_HOST lists.in.gov HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 300 SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL no-cache REQUEST_URI /mailman/listinfo HTTP_ACCEPT text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 TZ US/East-Indiana SERVER_NAME lists.IN.gov REMOTE_ADDR 10.8.49.214 REMOTE_PORT 32807 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us,en;q=0.5 SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip,deflate,compress;q=0.9 SERVER_ADDR 10.8.51.75 DOCUMENT_ROOT /usr/local/apache/share/htdocs Any ideas, or should I start thinking about ditching mailman? -- "I still think the odds are good that you can make a bet on what will be the odds" -- Tub Ring +--------------+------+----------------------+---------------+ | Greg Swallow | CCNA | System Administrator | accessIndiana | +--(http://www.IN.gov/)----------------------(888.4IN.EGOV)--+ From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Aug 12 18:09:51 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:09:51 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Managing archives In-Reply-To: <000501c360e5$04810f10$5f09a8c0@ppc.com> References: <000501c360e5$04810f10$5f09a8c0@ppc.com> Message-ID: <1060704587.4443.10.camel@Anncons4> I'll give it a shot on one of my boxes (create a soft link to the mbox into my mailbox) and let you know... It *should* work. On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 11:18, Victor Tsaran wrote: > Hi, John! > Do you think the access to the mbox can also be done through IMAP? I am not > an administrator on this machine, just a list admin, but I need to know what > to tell the root. > Regards, > Victor > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:55 AM > To: vtsaran at icevi.org > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Managing archives > > > On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 09:26, Victor Tsaran wrote: > > Hello, listers! > > Here is my situation. I am managing several lists for an international > > organization. Over the last couple of years our archives have grown quite > > large and, I am sure, that many of the messages are no longer necessary to > > keep. What is the easiest way for me to pull down the whole archive, > convert > > it to something that can be reviewed/edited by the organization's > secretary, > > pull it back together and reupload back to the server. Is there a tool > that > > will allow me to do this? I myself don't have the time to carry out this > > task, however, I cannot expect the secretary to fool around with Unix mail > > boxes etc. > > Also, I have seen some web sites that zip their messages while archiving. > > How is this done? > > Thanks much for any response I can get on this. > > Regards, > > Vic > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > You should be able to set it up so that the secretary can simply browse > the archive emails via an email program and then delete the messages he > thinks are not necessary. > > Mailman archives are stored in an mbox file on the server > > If you copy the mbox file to a computer running evolution (that's what I > currently use for my email - and its great!) then he can read the > messages as though they are simply local messages in the INBOX (or some > other folder that you create). Once he deletes the extraneous messages, > he does an "expunge" or rebuild on the mailbox! Now you have a new mbox > that is ready to be copied back up to the Mailman archives. > > Once the mbox is put back in place, you will need to run the > ~mailman/bin/arch command to rebuild the archives using the new mbox > file. > > Aside: I wonder how hard it would be to build a web interface for > editing the archives? We could use formail to break-out each of the old > messages and move them into a holding directory, then scan the holding > directory to get the subject/date from each message. Display those with > a link to pull up the whole message, and a checkbox for deleting the > message. > > Once you click done, the back-end cgi would reassembles the mbox by just > cat-ing the remaining files back together - then it would back up the > old mbox file and put this one in place. After that, it would run the > Mailman arch program for the list. > > OR it would probably be easier to use the existing pipermail setup but > add a delete field for use by an admin (running pipermail from a > specified ip or from localhost), then use the built-in python libraries > for handling mbox - after all, you are just deleting a message from an > mbox file and that is a fairly boring/mundane task. > > Jon Carnes > > From boettiger at pobox.com Tue Aug 12 18:26:29 2003 From: boettiger at pobox.com (Adam Boettiger) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:26:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying held posts feature Message-ID: I'm using mailman 2.1.2 As I recall in the archives of last year there was a post about a patch that could be installed in 2.0 that would allow moderators and admins to modify held posts. I'm wondering if this feature or patch has become a permanent addition to 2.1.2 or if there are plans to include it in the next upgrade? Also, I am new to Python so excuse the ignorant question, but how does one install a patch? Is there a document somewhere that explains it in layman's terms? And, if I install this patch, will I need to kill and then recreate my mailing list or regenerate it? Finally, I see by reading the archives that one can modify the held posts directly by modifying the file in /mailman/data . I tried this once using BBEdit and FTP and got an error when I tried to approve the post. Any suggestions on the best way to modify a file on the server and what parts of it I should stay away from or what file type it needs to be saved as? - Sorry for so many newbie questions. Thanks in advance for any insight. The modify held posts is a really critical feature for me, so I'd like to get it working. AB From boettiger at pobox.com Tue Aug 12 18:29:55 2003 From: boettiger at pobox.com (Adam Boettiger) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:29:55 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish - Admin Message-ID: I'm using 2.1.2. I wish for the next upgrade in the admin moderator area for approving held posts, there was a box that I could check that would remove the poster from the subscription list at the same time their message is discarded. I'm seeing some bounces and some autoresponses and occasionally wish to remove the address from the list at the same time I discard the held post. Right now it is a two-step process - discard the post, then go to another screen and perform an address search and remove the address. Would be really nice if I could just check a box on the held posts section that would remove that address from the list along with approving other messages in the queue. AB From toddm at bdel.com Tue Aug 12 18:30:05 2003 From: toddm at bdel.com (Todd Morrey) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:30:05 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber tracking Message-ID: To anyone who can offer advice, I admin a couple lists, and I have just come to realize that my ISP requires me to keep perfect history of every subscriber: date they signed up and originating ip address, all available with 1 day of any complaint. It is very important to me to conform to these requirements. It seems that a user subscribing via mailman's webform thing gets all this info logged in $MAILMANROOT/logs/subscribe. However the vast majority of my subscribers subscribe via a custom webform (integrated with a catalog request page). This custom webform just sends an email to the mailmanlist-request at mydomain.com with the necessary arguments. I looked in the subscribe log and it shows the users email address in place of the ip address. Ideally I need it to show the appropriate ip address. You can start to see some complications here, as if it were to simply use the ip address of the originating mail, it would get my webserver (it originates the mail on behalf of the user). So, ideally, I'd like to pass the originating ip address as an argument in the subscription request email, or have it log the ip address of the confirmation reply. I guess that in most cases I could line up logs and I might be able to figure it out (the clocks are always perfectly synced on these servers though). Does anybody else deal with this kind of issue? How do y'all handle this? Any advice of where to find docs on this? PS- Running mailman-2.0.13. I google'd, searched archives of this list, read the FAQ, and looked through the mailman docs. I couldn't find any document dealing with this type of issue. Thanks! Todd Morrey From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Aug 12 18:58:57 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:58:57 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying held posts feature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1060707519.4443.19.camel@Anncons4> On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 12:26, Adam Boettiger wrote: > I'm using mailman 2.1.2 > > As I recall in the archives of last year there was a post about a patch that > could be installed in 2.0 that would allow moderators and admins to modify > held posts. I'm wondering if this feature or patch has become a permanent > addition to 2.1.2 or if there are plans to include it in the next upgrade? > > Also, I am new to Python so excuse the ignorant question, but how does one > install a patch? Is there a document somewhere that explains it in layman's > terms? And, if I install this patch, will I need to kill and then recreate > my mailing list or regenerate it? > > Finally, I see by reading the archives that one can modify the held posts > directly by modifying the file in /mailman/data . I tried this once using > BBEdit and FTP and got an error when I tried to approve the post. Any > suggestions on the best way to modify a file on the server and what parts of > it I should stay away from or what file type it needs to be saved as? > > - Sorry for so many newbie questions. Thanks in advance for any insight. > The modify held posts is a really critical feature for me, so I'd like to > get it working. > > AB Look in the FAQ's. There is a specific procedure for editing the message directly using version 2.0. This also works in version 2.1, but only if you modify the default value for one of the settings in mm_cfg.py. The setting determines whether held messages will be stored in text format or in a pickle format. If you scan Defaults.py you should be able to find it. You of course want them stored in a text format if you are going to edit held messages directly. Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py There is a great patch that allow you to edit the message while in the approval web-browser. I *think* this patch was ported to 2.1 as well. This makes modifying messages a real snap! There is also an FAQ on applying patches to mailman. Be prepared to install from the source code! Good Luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Aug 12 19:03:27 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:03:27 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber tracking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1060707803.4443.23.camel@Anncons4> On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 12:30, Todd Morrey wrote: > I guess that in most cases I could line up logs and I might be able to > figure it out (the clocks are always perfectly synced on these servers > though). > > Does anybody else deal with this kind of issue? How do y'all handle > this? Any advice of where to find docs on this? > > PS- > Running mailman-2.0.13. > I google'd, searched archives of this list, read the FAQ, and looked > through the mailman docs. I couldn't find any document dealing with > this type of issue. > > > Thanks! > Todd Morrey > That's how I trace it down. I use the time stamps and then get the ip information from the web logs. You can write some scripts that automate this and make the task much easier. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From khera at kcilink.com Tue Aug 12 19:22:13 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:22:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber tracking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16185.8773.875224.982842@yertle.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "TM" == Todd Morrey writes: TM> It seems that a user subscribing via mailman's webform thing gets all TM> this info logged in $MAILMANROOT/logs/subscribe. However the vast TM> majority of my subscribers subscribe via a custom webform (integrated TM> with a catalog request page). This custom webform just sends an email TM> to the mailmanlist-request at mydomain.com with the necessary arguments. TM> I looked in the subscribe log and it shows the users email address in TM> place of the ip address. Ideally I need it to show the appropriate ip TM> address. You can start to see some complications here, as if it were to I was just investigating this for Mailman as well... One of my lives is as running a (broadcast-only) email newsletter service using our own proprietary database-driven software. For confirmation records, we keep a copy of the confirmation request email that was sent and the headers of the confirmation reply or some details from the click-thru confirmation depending on how the confirmation was completed. We do track the IP of the original web-form submission, but that is irrelevent in dealing with most complaints. If you have a copy of the confirmation message and the evidence of the response, almost nobody will come back and say, "well, that's not good enough". Heck, even spamcop accepts this as proof of signup. If they're complaining about the confirmation message itself, well, then unless they're AOL, they will go away when you explain that it is just a confirmation message. If they're AOL, you lose, because they play by their own rules :-( As for Mailman, I think keeping this kind of record associated with each active email address would be ideal. How to go about implementing that is way beyond me, as I'm more of a perl hack, and know just enough python to know I don't know enough. Has anyone hacked up Mailman to keep such detailed records of signups and confirmations? If not, is anyone looking for consulting work to do so (and a few other mods to Mailman I need)? From bruce at uchicago.edu Tue Aug 12 20:23:22 2003 From: bruce at uchicago.edu (Bruce Mitzit) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:23:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users]HandlerAPE error: WAS :Listserv wide announcements? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 3:33 PM +0100 8/12/03, Richard Barrett wrote: >On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 03:10 pm, Bruce Mitzit wrote: > >> >>Hello, MM users--- >> >>After upgrading from mailman 2.0.9 to mailman-2.1.2, and tweaking >>all the things I could find to tweak, I still get this error >>emailed to me at the rate of about three a minute: >> >>Your "cron" job on urserver.uchicago.edu >>/usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner >>produced the following output: >> >>Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ? >> from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI >> File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 26, in ? >> from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO >>ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO >> > >With Mailman 2.1.2 the qrunner is no longer run as a cron job. > >The 2.1.2 qrunners are run as daemons started by the >$prefix/bin/mailmanctl script. > >Looks like, maybe, you did not remove the mailman user's crontab >before doing the update and the old 2.0.9 crontab is still trying to >do stuff. > >Did you take a look at the section 'UPGRADING FROM 2.0.x to 2.1' in >the UPGRADING file in your MM 2.1.2 build director as part of your >tweakingy? Richard et. al.-- Well, yeah, I did read that thing. I did not remove (in Solaris 7) /var/spool/cron/cronjobs/mailman prior to the install. So, I've rm'd that cronjob. We'd been running that cron from root anyway, so I commented all out from there as well. I did a configure, make install all over again. I still am getting the same error message by email. Any suggestions? The original install of MM made me feel pretty smart. This one makes me feel dumb. Bruce -- From vtsaran at icevi.org Tue Aug 12 22:09:15 2003 From: vtsaran at icevi.org (Victor Tsaran) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:09:15 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Difference between PiperMail 0.5 and PiperMail 0.9 Message-ID: <000101c3610d$9b6eb9e0$5f09a8c0@ppc.com> Hello, listers! Are there any huge differences between Pipermail 0.5 and Pipermail 0.9? Is it worth to ask our site administrator to update to the latest Pipermail? Regards and thanks, Victor From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Aug 12 22:15:24 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:15:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users]HandlerAPE error: WAS :Listserv wide announcements? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 07:23 pm, Bruce Mitzit wrote: > At 3:33 PM +0100 8/12/03, Richard Barrett wrote: >> On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 03:10 pm, Bruce Mitzit wrote: >> >>> >>> Hello, MM users--- >>> >>> After upgrading from mailman 2.0.9 to mailman-2.1.2, and tweaking >>> all the things I could find to tweak, I still get this error emailed >>> to me at the rate of about three a minute: >>> >>> Your "cron" job on urserver.uchicago.edu >>> /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner >>> produced the following output: >>> >>> Traceback (most recent call last): >>> File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ? >>> from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI >>> File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 26, >>> in ? >>> from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO >>> ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO >>> Well some of your old MM installation is executing to generate these warnings. The traceback is from MM 2.0.x code as the Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py file is not in the MM 2.1.2 distribution; well its in MM 2.0.13 but not in MM 2.1.2 on my test system. >> >> With Mailman 2.1.2 the qrunner is no longer run as a cron job. >> >> The 2.1.2 qrunners are run as daemons started by the >> $prefix/bin/mailmanctl script. >> >> Looks like, maybe, you did not remove the mailman user's crontab >> before doing the update and the old 2.0.9 crontab is still trying to >> do stuff. >> >> Did you take a look at the section 'UPGRADING FROM 2.0.x to 2.1' in >> the UPGRADING file in your MM 2.1.2 build director as part of your >> tweakingy? > > Richard et. al.-- > > Well, yeah, I did read that thing. I did not remove (in Solaris 7) > /var/spool/cron/cronjobs/mailman prior to the install. > > So, I've rm'd that cronjob. We'd been running that cron from root > anyway, so I commented all out from there as well. I did a configure, > make install all over again. I still am getting the same error message > by email. Any suggestions? The original install of MM made me feel > pretty smart. This one makes me feel dumb. > If messages reporting the same error are still turning up then either the mail system has a backlog it is drip feeding you or there is still another crontab which executes the old MM qrunner script in place and enough old MM code extant to generate the error. > Bruce > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Tue Aug 12 23:26:09 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 06:26:09 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] script alternative to radio buttons? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F395B71.9050004@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, How about this; http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=636412&group_id=103&atid=300103 Cheers, Tokio Chris Wellens wrote: > We need a command line script alternative to the web page radio buttons, and we > are willing to pay for it! > > We have ten mailman mailing lists that we use very effectively with our > customers and internal staff. Every day, our Administrator has to go to > the "Pending Administrative Requests for mailing list ..." to get rid > of all the spam posts. Often there are fifty or so per mailing list, > so 500 unwanted administrative pieces of mail. > > It takes a very long time (one or more hours per day) to click the > "discard" radio button for each mail message per mailing list, and then > finally click on the "Submit All Data" button. > > Our administrator would like to quickly skim the pending messages, > see if there are any that are bonafide messages that should be posted > to the mailing list, and then discard all the rest in one fell swoop. > > If someone could write us a script that we could run from the Red Hat Linux > command line, we are willing to pay for the development and resubmit to the > community. > > We would like to do something like this: > > linux prompt% discard pendingmsgs mailinglistone > > where "discard" is the command, "pendingmsgs" is an argument, and > "mailinglistone" is the name of the mailing list to get the treatment. > > We use Mailman 2.1.2 and RedHat Linux 9.x. We compiled our own version of > Mailman because the one that shipped with RedHat did not work right. Our > network administrator who set this all up says he is too busy to write the > script for us, so that is why we are asking for help from the community. > > Thanks in advance. > From bruce at uchicago.edu Tue Aug 12 23:35:53 2003 From: bruce at uchicago.edu (Bruce Mitzit) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:35:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users]HandlerAPE error: WAS :Listserv wide announcements? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Richard--- You're right, thanks. I have a number of files from the old install: Apr 16 2002 /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py Dec 20 2002 /usr/local/mailman/ bin/digest_arch Dec 20 2002 /usr/local/mailman/ bin/move_list a bunch of cgi's, Apr 16 2002 ../cron/qrunner I removed HandlerAPI.py, renamed cron/qrunnerBU (with current date) to qrunner. Gave it 755 perms. This has not seemed to have calmed things down. If I wanted to do a clean install --start from scratch-- what directories in /usr/local/mailman/ should I keep? Thanks a lot for your help. Bruce >On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 07:23 pm, Bruce Mitzit wrote: > >>At 3:33 PM +0100 8/12/03, Richard Barrett wrote: >>>On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 03:10 pm, Bruce Mitzit wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>Hello, MM users--- >>>> >>>>After upgrading from mailman 2.0.9 to mailman-2.1.2, and tweaking >>>>all the things I could find to tweak, I still get this error >>>>emailed to me at the rate of about three a minute: >>>> >>>>Your "cron" job on urserver.uchicago.edu >>>>/usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner >>>>produced the following output: >>>> >>>>Traceback (most recent call last): >>>> File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ? >>>> from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI >>>> File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 26, in ? >>>> from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO >>>>ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO >>>> > >Well some of your old MM installation is executing to generate these >warnings. The traceback is from MM 2.0.x code as the >Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py file is not in the MM 2.1.2 >distribution; well its in MM 2.0.13 but not in MM 2.1.2 on my test >system. > >>> >>>With Mailman 2.1.2 the qrunner is no longer run as a cron job. >>> >>>The 2.1.2 qrunners are run as daemons started by the >>>$prefix/bin/mailmanctl script. >>> >>>Looks like, maybe, you did not remove the mailman user's crontab >>>before doing the update and the old 2.0.9 crontab is still trying >>>to do stuff. >>> >>>Did you take a look at the section 'UPGRADING FROM 2.0.x to 2.1' >>>in the UPGRADING file in your MM 2.1.2 build director as part of >>>your tweakingy? >> >>Richard et. al.-- >> >>Well, yeah, I did read that thing. I did not remove (in Solaris 7) >>/var/spool/cron/cronjobs/mailman prior to the install. >> >>So, I've rm'd that cronjob. We'd been running that cron from root >>anyway, so I commented all out from there as well. I did a >>configure, make install all over again. I still am getting the same >>error message by email. Any suggestions? The original install of MM >>made me feel pretty smart. This one makes me feel dumb. >> > >If messages reporting the same error are still turning up then >either the mail system has a backlog it is drip feeding you or there >is still another crontab which executes the old MM qrunner script in >place and enough old MM code extant to generate the error. > >>Bruce >> >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk -- From brian at whatever2k.com Tue Aug 12 23:40:09 2003 From: brian at whatever2k.com (Brian Burdette) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:40:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught runner exception: iterable argument required Message-ID: <3F395EB9.2090107@whatever2k.com> This is mailman 2.1.2 on RedHat linux 8.0 I get the following error entry when sending to certain lists. mail is shunted. Rebuilding those lists resolves the problem, temporarily. Anyone able to shed a bit of light on this, or should I move it to mailman developers? Is more data needed, is this a known bug, etc? The searchable archives appear to be unavailable, or I would have started this quest there. Thanks in advance. -- Brian Burdette, brian at whatever2k dot com Aug 12 15:55:06 2003 (21139) SHUNTING: 1060721704.746578+16653187a5b1707307a1b8ec45d1f32f25c338f1 Aug 12 16:56:52 2003 (21139) Uncaught runner exception: iterable argument required Aug 12 16:56:52 2003 (21139) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89, in process send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in send_i18n_digests msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 257, in process url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 349, in save_attachment ext = guess_extension(ctype, fnext) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 80, in guess_extension if ext in all: TypeError: iterable argument required Aug 12 16:56:52 2003 (21139) SHUNTING: 1060725410.830851+0fccb1b8c3453d14bc83088fc33b08adc20b1f7b From jimpop at yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 00:12:01 2003 From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:12:01 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Managing archives In-Reply-To: <1060700101.3944.17.camel@Anncons4> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Carnes > Sent: Tuesday, 12 August, 2003 10:55 > > Once the mbox is put back in place, you will need to > run the ~mailman/bin/arch command to rebuild the > archives using the new mbox file. > Doing this will cause all or most of your archives to have new URLs, thus causing problems for any users who search/locate your archives via public search engines. What would be really nice is a way to delete messages (yes, even via Evolution) but not mess up the archive URLs. -Jim P. From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Aug 13 00:13:22 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:13:22 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught runner exception: iterable argument required In-Reply-To: <3F395EB9.2090107@whatever2k.com> Message-ID: <2F974D91-CD12-11D7-AE15-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> This bug report and the patch attached my help. Always worth checking the bug tracker :) http://sourceforge.net/tracker/ ?group_id=103&atid=300103&func=detail&aid=747470 On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 10:40 pm, Brian Burdette wrote: > This is mailman 2.1.2 on RedHat linux 8.0 > > I get the following error entry when sending to certain lists. mail is > shunted. > > Rebuilding those lists resolves the problem, temporarily. > > Anyone able to shed a bit of light on this, or should I move it to > mailman developers? > > Is more data needed, is this a known bug, etc? > > The searchable archives appear to be unavailable, or I would have > started this quest there. > > Thanks in advance. > > -- > Brian Burdette, brian at whatever2k dot com > > > Aug 12 15:55:06 2003 (21139) SHUNTING: > 1060721704.746578+16653187a5b1707307a1b8ec45d1f32f25c338f1 > Aug 12 16:56:52 2003 (21139) Uncaught runner exception: iterable > argument required > Aug 12 16:56:52 2003 (21139) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in > _oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in > _onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, > in _dispose > more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, > in _dopipeline > sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89, in > process > send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in > send_digests > send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in > send_i18n_digests > msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 257, in > process > url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 349, in > save_attachment > ext = guess_extension(ctype, fnext) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 80, in > guess_extension > if ext in all: > TypeError: iterable argument required > > Aug 12 16:56:52 2003 (21139) SHUNTING: > 1060725410.830851+0fccb1b8c3453d14bc83088fc33b08adc20b1f7b ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Aug 13 00:30:04 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:30:04 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users]HandlerAPE error: WAS :Listserv wide announcements? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8516B870-CD14-11D7-AE15-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 10:35 pm, Bruce Mitzit wrote: > Richard--- > > You're right, thanks. I have a number of files from the old install: > > Apr 16 2002 /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py > Dec 20 2002 /usr/local/mailman/ bin/digest_arch > Dec 20 2002 /usr/local/mailman/ bin/move_list > a bunch of cgi's, > Apr 16 2002 ../cron/qrunner > > I removed HandlerAPI.py, renamed cron/qrunnerBU (with current date) to > qrunner. Gave it 755 perms. > > This has not seemed to have calmed things down. > I know it is a bit obvious but you have used the crontab command to double check that the old Mailman crontab is still not extant and being executed on behalf of some user or another. > If I wanted to do a clean install --start from scratch-- what > directories in /usr/local/mailman/ should I keep? > If it were me trying to do what you suggest, I would; 1. rename the current /usr/local/mailman and take a backup of it 2. mkdir /usr/local/mailman 3. use mv to put /usr/local/mailman.old/lists and /usr/local/mailman.old/archives to /usr/local/mailman 4. ./configure and make install MM 2.1.2 into /usr/local/mailman 5. crank up the new MM install per the INSTALL file Best of luck > Thanks a lot for your help. > > Bruce > > > > > >> On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 07:23 pm, Bruce Mitzit wrote: >> >>> At 3:33 PM +0100 8/12/03, Richard Barrett wrote: >>>> On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 03:10 pm, Bruce Mitzit wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello, MM users--- >>>>> >>>>> After upgrading from mailman 2.0.9 to mailman-2.1.2, and tweaking >>>>> all the things I could find to tweak, I still get this error >>>>> emailed to me at the rate of about three a minute: >>>>> >>>>> Your "cron" job on urserver.uchicago.edu >>>>> /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner >>>>> produced the following output: >>>>> >>>>> Traceback (most recent call last): >>>>> File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ? >>>>> from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI >>>>> File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line >>>>> 26, in ? >>>>> from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO >>>>> ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO >>>>> >> >> Well some of your old MM installation is executing to generate these >> warnings. The traceback is from MM 2.0.x code as the >> Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py file is not in the MM 2.1.2 >> distribution; well its in MM 2.0.13 but not in MM 2.1.2 on my test >> system. >> >>>> >>>> With Mailman 2.1.2 the qrunner is no longer run as a cron job. >>>> >>>> The 2.1.2 qrunners are run as daemons started by the >>>> $prefix/bin/mailmanctl script. >>>> >>>> Looks like, maybe, you did not remove the mailman user's crontab >>>> before doing the update and the old 2.0.9 crontab is still trying >>>> to do stuff. >>>> >>>> Did you take a look at the section 'UPGRADING FROM 2.0.x to 2.1' in >>>> the UPGRADING file in your MM 2.1.2 build director as part of your >>>> tweakingy? >>> >>> Richard et. al.-- >>> >>> Well, yeah, I did read that thing. I did not remove (in Solaris 7) >>> /var/spool/cron/cronjobs/mailman prior to the install. >>> >>> So, I've rm'd that cronjob. We'd been running that cron from root >>> anyway, so I commented all out from there as well. I did a >>> configure, make install all over again. I still am getting the same >>> error message by email. Any suggestions? The original install of MM >>> made me feel pretty smart. This one makes me feel dumb. >>> >> >> If messages reporting the same error are still turning up then either >> the mail system has a backlog it is drip feeding you or there is >> still another crontab which executes the old MM qrunner script in >> place and enough old MM code extant to generate the error. >> >>> Bruce >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Aug 13 00:33:02 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:33:02 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Managing archives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1060727577.4793.46.camel@Anncons4> We could have the archiver add an X-Header to each message it adds to the mbox, and use that as the identifier. Then have arch look at the header of each message and maintain a consistent name.... Boy, I would love to take over the Pipermail branch and make some of these proposed changes. I'm just afraid that my work load would keep me from doing the job right. Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 18:12, Jim Popovitch wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jon Carnes > > Sent: Tuesday, 12 August, 2003 10:55 > > > > Once the mbox is put back in place, you will need to > > run the ~mailman/bin/arch command to rebuild the > > archives using the new mbox file. > > > > Doing this will cause all or most of your archives to have new URLs, thus > causing problems for any users who search/locate your archives via public > search engines. > > What would be really nice is a way to delete messages (yes, even via > Evolution) but not mess up the archive URLs. > > -Jim P. > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From anders at norrbring.biz Wed Aug 13 02:24:47 2003 From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:24:47 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble in getting incoming mail right... Message-ID: <200308130024.h7D0Omj04938@hyena.levonline.com> Hello out there! I'm absolutely fresh to mailman, and of course I'm in deep trouble.. I have the SuSE distributed v2.1.1 installed on SuSE SLOS8, based on United Linux 1.0. The mail system on the server is Postfix, Cyrus-IMAP and Cyrus-SASL and the back end is LDAP. All is well when using only the web interface, and all mails are sent out from the system just as it should. But, no incoming mail are routed to mailman, so nothing sent to it gets where it should go. I guess the problem is Cyrus in some way, but I don't know how I should be able to fix it. I can't find any documentation on this, so please help me out! Thank you! Anders Norrbring From bruce at uchicago.edu Wed Aug 13 06:44:54 2003 From: bruce at uchicago.edu (Bruce Mitzit) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:44:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users]HandlerAPE error: WAS :Listserv wide announcements? In-Reply-To: <8516B870-CD14-11D7-AE15-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> References: <8516B870-CD14-11D7-AE15-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: Hey, Richard-- > >I know it is a bit obvious but you have used the crontab command to >double check that the old Mailman crontab is still not extant and >being executed on behalf of some user or another. Yeh, it is and I did that...blixxed whatever mailman might have had with "# crontab -r mailman", edited out of root's cron the mailman stuff. > >If it were me trying to do what you suggest, I would; > >1. rename the current /usr/local/mailman and take a backup of it > >2. mkdir /usr/local/mailman > >3. use mv to put /usr/local/mailman.old/lists and >/usr/local/mailman.old/archives to /usr/local/mailman > >4. ./configure and make install MM 2.1.2 into /usr/local/mailman > >5. crank up the new MM install per the INSTALL file I did that too, more or less. Started it up with total confidence but continued getting the error messages. I couldn't figure out where this cron job is...nowhere I put it. Checked the account of a former assistant capable of knowing what a cron is. Nothing there. Did a "find / -user mailman -name cron*" Interesting hit was an old Mailman 2.0.13 install directory in /usr/src (assistant's work. I'd have put in /tmp). No reason to have it, rm -R'd it. Error messages stopped. Not yet using this new better-behaved iteration with entire confidence. We'll see. Thanks for prodding me in the right direction. Bruce >On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 10:35 pm, Bruce Mitzit wrote: > >>Richard--- >> >>You're right, thanks. I have a number of files from the old install: >> >> Apr 16 2002 /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py >> Dec 20 2002 /usr/local/mailman/ bin/digest_arch >> Dec 20 2002 /usr/local/mailman/ bin/move_list >>a bunch of cgi's, >> Apr 16 2002 ../cron/qrunner >> >>I removed HandlerAPI.py, renamed cron/qrunnerBU (with current date) >>to qrunner. Gave it 755 perms. >> >>This has not seemed to have calmed things down. >>If I wanted to do a clean install --start from scratch-- what >>directories in /usr/local/mailman/ should I keep? >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 07:23 pm, Bruce Mitzit wrote: >>> >>>>At 3:33 PM +0100 8/12/03, Richard Barrett wrote: >>>>>On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 03:10 pm, Bruce Mitzit wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Hello, MM users--- >>>>>> >>>>>>After upgrading from mailman 2.0.9 to mailman-2.1.2, and >>>>>>tweaking all the things I could find to tweak, I still get this >>>>>>error emailed to me at the rate of about three a minute: >>>>>> >>>>>>Your "cron" job on urserver.uchicago.edu >>>>>>/usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner >>>>>>produced the following output: >>>>>> >>>>>>Traceback (most recent call last): >>>>>> File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ? >>>>>> from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI >>>>>> File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 26, in ? >>>>>> from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO >>>>>>ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO >>>>>> >>> >>>Well some of your old MM installation is executing to generate >>>these warnings. The traceback is from MM 2.0.x code as the >>>Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py file is not in the MM 2.1.2 >>>distribution; well its in MM 2.0.13 but not in MM 2.1.2 on my test >>>system. >>> >>>>> >>>>>With Mailman 2.1.2 the qrunner is no longer run as a cron job. >>>>> >>>>>The 2.1.2 qrunners are run as daemons started by the >>>>>$prefix/bin/mailmanctl script. >>>>> >>>>>Looks like, maybe, you did not remove the mailman user's crontab >>>>>before doing the update and the old 2.0.9 crontab is still >>>>>trying to do stuff. >>>>> >>>>>Did you take a look at the section 'UPGRADING FROM 2.0.x to 2.1' >>>>>in the UPGRADING file in your MM 2.1.2 build director as part of >>>>>your tweakingy? >>>> >>>>Richard et. al.-- >>>> >>>>Well, yeah, I did read that thing. I did not remove (in Solaris >>>>7) /var/spool/cron/cronjobs/mailman prior to the install. >>>> >>>>So, I've rm'd that cronjob. We'd been running that cron from root >>>>anyway, so I commented all out from there as well. I did a >>>>configure, make install all over again. I still am getting the >>>>same error message by email. Any suggestions? The original >>>>install of MM made me feel pretty smart. This one makes me feel >>>>dumb. >>>> >>> >>>If messages reporting the same error are still turning up then >>>either the mail system has a backlog it is drip feeding you or >>>there is still another crontab which executes the old MM qrunner >>>script in place and enough old MM code extant to generate the >>>error. >>> >>>>Bruce >>>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk -- From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Aug 13 07:39:26 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 05:39:26 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Managing archives In-Reply-To: <1060704587.4443.10.camel@Anncons4> References: <000501c360e5$04810f10$5f09a8c0@ppc.com> <1060704587.4443.10.camel@Anncons4> Message-ID: <1060753163.4793.142.camel@Anncons4> Alright, it worked great! I have a list on one of my servers called "test", it has a lot of messages in it, but nothing I care anything about. I used it to test with... I created an empty mbox on one of my imap accounts and called it "test" then moved all the mbox information from the archives into the new imap mbox: cat /var/mailman/archives/private/test.mbox/test.mbox >> test This copied all the emails from the archive and left the imap header information intact. The imap header is an "email" at the top of the file. The IMAP header is created by Evolution (my email client) inside every IMAP mailbox that it reads. The header is exactly 13 lines long. This seems to be fairly standard for most IMAP clients. All the messages in my test archive showed up as email messages in the test mailbox. I pruned out some messages and then copied the test mbox back into the archive file. Next I edited the test.mbox file and removed the imap header (which looks like the first email in the mbox - very easy to recognize). Next I deleted the old archives: rm -rf /var/mailman/archives/private/test/* and generated the new archives: /var/mailman/bin/arch test Viola! It worked great. My newly pruned archives looked fantastic, and it was fast and easy. It would be quite easy to automate this as two scripts, one that creates the imap mbox and copies the mbox from the archive: #! /bin/bash # # Used to move an archive into position for editing # by anyone who can use an email client # # Assumptions: # - mailman install is in /var/mailman # - imap mailbox root is /home/user/mail/ # This means that you already created the mbox # using your email program. # == $1 # # Input: a valid mailman list name (with archives) # PATH2ARC="/var/mailman/archives/private" # Check that the list name is valid and the archives exist if [ ! -f $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox ]; then echo ERROR: $1 is not a valid mailman list with archives echo (be sure to use all lower case) echo or path to archive files is incorrect: echo $PATH2ARC echo " " exit 0 fi # PATH2MB="/home/user/mail" # # Check that mbox has been created... if [ ! -f $PATH2MB/$1 ]; then echo ERROR: Please check that the path to your IMAP Mailbox echo is: $PATH2MB echo and that you have created a Mailbox called:$1 echo exit 0 fi # cat $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox >> $PATH2MB/$1 === Now someone simply edits the mailbox using their email client. This doesn't take anyone technically minded... When they are done, we put back the archives: #! /bin/bash # # Used to move an edited mbox from an imap folder # and put it back into the Mailman archive from # which it was grabbed. # # Assumptions: # - mailman install is in /var/mailman, # with archives being in /var/mailman/archives/private/.. # - imap mailbox root is /home/user/mail/ # and the imap header for the file is 13 lines long # including the blank line at the end of the message. # # Input: a valid mailman list name (with archives) # PATH2ARC="/var/mailman/archives/private" # # Check that the list name is valid and the archives exist if [ ! -f $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox ]; then echo ERROR: $1 is not a valid mailman list with archives echo (be sure to use all lower case) echo " " exit 0 fi # PATH2MB="/home/user/mail" # # Check that mbox has been created... if [ ! -f $PATH2MB/$1 ]; then echo ERROR: could not find mailbox $1 in path: echo $PATH2MB echo Please check that root path to mailbox is correct. echo " " exit 0 fi # # Number of lines in IMAP header IHEAD=13 # mv $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox.bak # j=`cat $PATH2MB/$1 |wc -l` k=$(( j - IHEAD )) tail -$k $PATH2MB/$1 > $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox # # now lets remove the old archive files and regen # the archives with the new mbox! rm -rf $PATH2ARC/$1/* /var/mailman/bin/arch $1 === The scripts aren't tested, but should be good for a quick start! Take care. Hope that helps someone. Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 12:09, Jon Carnes wrote: > I'll give it a shot on one of my boxes (create a soft link to the mbox > into my mailbox) and let you know... It *should* work. > > On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 11:18, Victor Tsaran wrote: > > Hi, John! > > Do you think the access to the mbox can also be done through IMAP? I am not > > an administrator on this machine, just a list admin, but I need to know what > > to tell the root. > > Regards, > > Victor > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:55 AM > > To: vtsaran at icevi.org > > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Managing archives > > > > > > On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 09:26, Victor Tsaran wrote: > > > Hello, listers! > > > Here is my situation. I am managing several lists for an international > > > organization. Over the last couple of years our archives have grown quite > > > large and, I am sure, that many of the messages are no longer necessary to > > > keep. What is the easiest way for me to pull down the whole archive, > > convert > > > it to something that can be reviewed/edited by the organization's > > secretary, > > > pull it back together and reupload back to the server. Is there a tool > > that > > > will allow me to do this? I myself don't have the time to carry out this > > > task, however, I cannot expect the secretary to fool around with Unix mail > > > boxes etc. > > > Also, I have seen some web sites that zip their messages while archiving. > > > How is this done? > > > Thanks much for any response I can get on this. > > > Regards, > > > Vic > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > You should be able to set it up so that the secretary can simply browse > > the archive emails via an email program and then delete the messages he > > thinks are not necessary. > > > > Mailman archives are stored in an mbox file on the server > > > > If you copy the mbox file to a computer running evolution (that's what I > > currently use for my email - and its great!) then he can read the > > messages as though they are simply local messages in the INBOX (or some > > other folder that you create). Once he deletes the extraneous messages, > > he does an "expunge" or rebuild on the mailbox! Now you have a new mbox > > that is ready to be copied back up to the Mailman archives. > > > > Once the mbox is put back in place, you will need to run the > > ~mailman/bin/arch command to rebuild the archives using the new mbox > > file. > > > > Aside: I wonder how hard it would be to build a web interface for > > editing the archives? We could use formail to break-out each of the old > > messages and move them into a holding directory, then scan the holding > > directory to get the subject/date from each message. Display those with > > a link to pull up the whole message, and a checkbox for deleting the > > message. > > > > Once you click done, the back-end cgi would reassembles the mbox by just > > cat-ing the remaining files back together - then it would back up the > > old mbox file and put this one in place. After that, it would run the > > Mailman arch program for the list. > > > > OR it would probably be easier to use the existing pipermail setup but > > add a delete field for use by an admin (running pipermail from a > > specified ip or from localhost), then use the built-in python libraries > > for handling mbox - after all, you are just deleting a message from an > > mbox file and that is a fairly boring/mundane task. > > > > Jon Carnes > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From anders at norrbring.biz Wed Aug 13 11:13:48 2003 From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:13:48 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Access problem.. Message-ID: <200308130913.h7D9DoQ06840@vargen.levonline.com> Here's one of the mails I get every 5 minutes from my server: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 274, in ? main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 249, in main lock.lock(timeout=0.5) File "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 238, in lock File "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 415, in __write IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/locks/gate_news.lock.berit.6176.0' And when I look in '/var/mailman/locks' that dir is empty! Also, in '/var/tmp' there's only one entry, a subdir named 'vi.recover' There's something wrong, but I don't know where to start looking. It's installed on a SuSE system based on United Linux 1.0 and the mailman package is a SuSE distributed one. Anders Norrbring Norrbring Consulting From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Aug 13 12:44:18 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:44:18 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Access problem.. In-Reply-To: <200308130913.h7D9DoQ06840@vargen.levonline.com> Message-ID: <175921A9-CD7B-11D7-A2FF-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, at 10:13 am, Anders Norrbring wrote: > Here's one of the mails I get every 5 minutes from my server: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 274, in ? > main() > File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 249, in main > lock.lock(timeout=0.5) > File > "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", > line 238, in lock > File > "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", > line 415, in __write > IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: > '/var/lib/mailman/locks/gate_news.lock.berit.6176.0' > You could try running Mailman's check_perms program. Looks from the paths in the traceback above as though it could be in /usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms. Run it with the -h option to get it to print its usage. > And when I look in '/var/mailman/locks' that dir is empty! > Also, in '/var/tmp' there's only one entry, a subdir named 'vi.recover' > > There's something wrong, but I don't know where to start looking. It's > installed on a SuSE system based on United Linux 1.0 and the mailman > package > is a SuSE distributed one. > > Anders Norrbring > Norrbring Consulting From Anders at Thingholm.com Wed Aug 13 13:07:51 2003 From: Anders at Thingholm.com (Anders N. Thingholm) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:07:51 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] command list Message-ID: <000001c3618b$22eece50$e91210ac@kingguru> We are 2 guys' that are making API for mailman to a project in our education. So I need a complete list of commands to mailman. Anyone have a link for this ? Anders From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Aug 13 13:16:51 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:16:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] command list In-Reply-To: <000001c3618b$22eece50$e91210ac@kingguru> Message-ID: On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, at 12:07 pm, Anders N. Thingholm wrote: > We are 2 guys' that are making API for mailman to a project in our > education. > So I need a complete list of commands to mailman. > Anyone have a link for this ? > Try http://mailman.sourceforge.net/docs.html > Anders > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From anders at norrbring.biz Wed Aug 13 14:24:31 2003 From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:24:31 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Access problem.. In-Reply-To: <175921A9-CD7B-11D7-A2FF-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <200308131224.h7DCOWc27015@hunden.levonline.com> Richard, Thanks.. :) A -f fixed quite some errors, but still I get this in e-mail from the server: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 274, in ? main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 249, in main lock.lock(timeout=0.5) File "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 238, in lock File "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 415, in __write IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/locks/gate_news.lock.berit.20898.0' Still there's no directory in /var/tmp Anders Norrbring -> -----Original Message----- -> From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] -> Sent: den 13 augusti 2003 12:44 -> To: Anders Norrbring -> Cc: Mailman users -> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Access problem.. -> -> -> On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, at 10:13 am, Anders Norrbring wrote: -> -> > Here's one of the mails I get every 5 minutes from my server: -> > -> > Traceback (most recent call last): -> > File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 274, in ? -> > main() -> > File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 249, in main -> > lock.lock(timeout=0.5) -> > File -> > "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", -> > line 238, in lock -> > File -> > "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", -> > line 415, in __write -> > IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: -> > '/var/lib/mailman/locks/gate_news.lock.berit.6176.0' -> > -> -> You could try running Mailman's check_perms program. Looks from the -> paths in the traceback above as though it could be in -> /usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms. Run it with the -h option to get it -> to print its usage. -> -> > And when I look in '/var/mailman/locks' that dir is empty! -> > Also, in '/var/tmp' there's only one entry, a subdir named 'vi.recover' -> > -> > There's something wrong, but I don't know where to start looking. It's -> > installed on a SuSE system based on United Linux 1.0 and the mailman -> > package -> > is a SuSE distributed one. -> > -> > Anders Norrbring -> > Norrbring Consulting From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Aug 13 14:43:44 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:43:44 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Access problem.. In-Reply-To: <200308131224.h7DCOWc27015@hunden.levonline.com> Message-ID: On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, at 01:24 pm, Anders Norrbring wrote: > Richard, > Thanks.. :) A -f fixed quite some errors, but still I get this in > e-mail > from the server: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 274, in ? > main() > File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 249, in main > lock.lock(timeout=0.5) > File > "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", > line 238, in lock > File > "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", > line 415, in __write > IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: > '/var/lib/mailman/locks/gate_news.lock.berit.20898.0' > Then I guess you will have to check what uid/gid has write permissions over the /var/lib/mailman/locks/ directory and compare this for compatibilty with the uid that the Mailman crontab has been installed under. I would expect then both to be the 'mailman' uid (as decided by the installer when Mailman was configured) but plainly they cannot be compatible or you would not have a permissions failure when the cron job is (presumably) trying to create a lock file in the directory. > > Still there's no directory in /var/tmp > > Anders Norrbring > > > -> -----Original Message----- > -> From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] > -> Sent: den 13 augusti 2003 12:44 > -> To: Anders Norrbring > -> Cc: Mailman users > -> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Access problem.. > -> > -> > -> On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, at 10:13 am, Anders Norrbring wrote: > -> > -> > Here's one of the mails I get every 5 minutes from my server: > -> > > -> > Traceback (most recent call last): > -> > File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 274, in ? > -> > main() > -> > File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 249, in main > -> > lock.lock(timeout=0.5) > -> > File > -> > > "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", > -> > line 238, in lock > -> > File > -> > > "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", > -> > line 415, in __write > -> > IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: > -> > '/var/lib/mailman/locks/gate_news.lock.berit.6176.0' > -> > > -> > -> You could try running Mailman's check_perms program. Looks from the > -> paths in the traceback above as though it could be in > -> /usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms. Run it with the -h option to get > it > -> to print its usage. > -> > -> > And when I look in '/var/mailman/locks' that dir is empty! > -> > Also, in '/var/tmp' there's only one entry, a subdir named > 'vi.recover' > -> > > -> > There's something wrong, but I don't know where to start looking. > It's > -> > installed on a SuSE system based on United Linux 1.0 and the > mailman > -> > package > -> > is a SuSE distributed one. > -> > > -> > Anders Norrbring > -> > Norrbring Consulting > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Aug 13 14:57:18 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:57:18 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Managing archives In-Reply-To: <1060753163.4793.142.camel@Anncons4> References: <000501c360e5$04810f10$5f09a8c0@ppc.com> <1060704587.4443.10.camel@Anncons4> <1060753163.4793.142.camel@Anncons4> Message-ID: <1060779433.2624.5.camel@Anncons4> oops... forgot to set the rights for the new archive mbox file... I added that to the second script. Jon Carnes A script that creates the imap mbox and copies the mbox from the archive: #! /bin/bash # # Used to move an archive into position for editing # by anyone who can use an email client # # Assumptions: # - mailman install is in /var/mailman # - imap mailbox root is /home/user/mail/ # This means that you already created the mbox # using your email program. # == $1 # # Input: a valid mailman list name (with archives) # PATH2ARC="/var/mailman/archives/private" # Check that the list name is valid and the archives exist if [ ! -f $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox ]; then echo ERROR: $1 is not a valid mailman list with archives echo (be sure to use all lower case) echo or path to archive files is incorrect: echo $PATH2ARC echo " " exit 0 fi # PATH2MB="/home/user/mail" # # Check that mbox has been created... if [ ! -f $PATH2MB/$1 ]; then echo ERROR: Please check that the path to your IMAP Mailbox echo is: $PATH2MB echo and that you have created a Mailbox called:$1 echo exit 0 fi # cat $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox >> $PATH2MB/$1 === Now someone simply edits the mailbox using their email client. This doesn't take anyone technically minded... When they are done, we put back the archives: #! /bin/bash # # Used to move an edited mbox from an imap folder # and put it back into the Mailman archive from # which it was grabbed. # # Assumptions: # - mailman install is in /var/mailman, # with archives being in /var/mailman/archives/private/.. # - imap mailbox root is /home/user/mail/ # and the imap header for the file is 13 lines long # including the blank line at the end of the message. # # Input: a valid mailman list name (with archives) # PATH2ARC="/var/mailman/archives/private" # # Check that the list name is valid and the archives exist if [ ! -f $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox ]; then echo ERROR: $1 is not a valid mailman list with archives echo (be sure to use all lower case) echo " " exit 0 fi # PATH2MB="/home/user/mail" # # Check that mbox has been created... if [ ! -f $PATH2MB/$1 ]; then echo ERROR: could not find mailbox $1 in path: echo $PATH2MB echo Please check that root path to mailbox is correct. echo " " exit 0 fi # # Number of lines in IMAP header IHEAD=13 # mv $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox.bak # j=`cat $PATH2MB/$1 |wc -l` k=$(( j - IHEAD )) tail -$k $PATH2MB/$1 > $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox chown mailman.mailman $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox # # now lets remove the old archive files and regen # the archives with the new mbox! rm -rf $PATH2ARC/$1/* /var/mailman/bin/arch $1 === The scripts aren't tested, but should be good for a quick start! Take care. Hope that helps someone. Jon Carnes From anders at norrbring.biz Wed Aug 13 14:58:40 2003 From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:58:40 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Access problem.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200308131258.h7DCwgW16882@lejon.levonline.com> Richard, You were absolutely right. There was an error in the uid/gid mappings. But I believe that's out of the way now since now I get other errors. *sigh* It never ends! Maybe I'd kill the .rpm install and do one from scratch instead. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 40, in ? from Mailman import MailList File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 36, in ? from Mailman import Utils File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 45, in ? from Mailman import Crypt File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Crypt.py", line 19, in ? if mm_cfg.USE_CRYPT: AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'USE_CRYPT' And then in next mess I get: /usr/bin/python: can't open file '/usr/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests' And: /usr/bin/python: can't open file '/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news' Anders Norrbring Norrbring Consulting -> Then I guess you will have to check what uid/gid has write permissions -> over the /var/lib/mailman/locks/ directory and compare this for -> compatibilty with the uid that the Mailman crontab has been installed -> under. -> -> I would expect then both to be the 'mailman' uid (as decided by the -> installer when Mailman was configured) but plainly they cannot be -> compatible or you would not have a permissions failure when the cron -> job is (presumably) trying to create a lock file in the directory. From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Aug 13 15:16:07 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:16:07 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Access problem.. In-Reply-To: <200308131258.h7DCwgW16882@lejon.levonline.com> Message-ID: <4C72438A-CD90-11D7-A2FF-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, at 01:58 pm, Anders Norrbring wrote: > Richard, > > You were absolutely right. There was an error in the uid/gid > mappings. But > I believe that's out of the way now since now I get other errors. > *sigh* It > never ends! Maybe I'd kill the .rpm install and do one from scratch > instead. My personal preferences are to install Mailman from source. It really is very straightforward and the number of support request to the list related to screwed up pre-packaged installs for various Linux flavours is quite high. The other advantage is that adding enhancement patches (such as htdig list search intergration), bug fix patches and future upgrades is so much easier with a source install. No waiting for the Linux distribution Mailman packager to screw up the upgrade or enhancement for you. If you are just starting and haven't got an investment in real use/data then switch to the MM source installation before it is too late. I do not know what version of Python you have installed. Python 2.2.3 would be good. I've not seen final confirmation about using Python 2.3 with MM 2.1.2 > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 40, in ? > from Mailman import MailList > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 36, in ? > from Mailman import Utils > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 45, in ? > from Mailman import Crypt > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Crypt.py", line 19, in ? > if mm_cfg.USE_CRYPT: > AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'USE_CRYPT' > I didn't ask what version of MM you had installed but this doesn't look like it is from the latest stable 2.1.2 release code; there is no Mailman.Crypt module in that. Another good reason for canning the RPM and going with a source install! > > And then in next mess I get: > > /usr/bin/python: can't open file '/usr/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests' > > And: > > /usr/bin/python: can't open file '/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news' > > Nothing more to contribute. > > Anders Norrbring > Norrbring Consulting > > > > -> Then I guess you will have to check what uid/gid has write > permissions > -> over the /var/lib/mailman/locks/ directory and compare this for > -> compatibilty with the uid that the Mailman crontab has been > installed > -> under. > -> > -> I would expect then both to be the 'mailman' uid (as decided by the > -> installer when Mailman was configured) but plainly they cannot be > -> compatible or you would not have a permissions failure when the cron > -> job is (presumably) trying to create a lock file in the directory. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From anders at norrbring.biz Wed Aug 13 15:28:41 2003 From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:28:41 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Access problem.. In-Reply-To: <4C72438A-CD90-11D7-A2FF-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <200308131328.h7DDSh419310@hunden.levonline.com> Well, my preference when it comes to my 'big production' server based on SuSE's SLOX on top of United Linux 1.0 is to never compile by myself but always trust the distributions. However, this particular installation is on a beta server and I guess I'll have to go compile.. And file a bug in the tracker.. :) Anders Norrbring Norrbring Consulting -> My personal preferences are to install Mailman from source. It really -> is very straightforward and the number of support request to the list -> related to screwed up pre-packaged installs for various Linux flavours -> is quite high. -> -> The other advantage is that adding enhancement patches (such as htdig -> list search intergration), bug fix patches and future upgrades is so -> much easier with a source install. No waiting for the Linux -> distribution Mailman packager to screw up the upgrade or enhancement -> for you. -> -> If you are just starting and haven't got an investment in real use/data -> then switch to the MM source installation before it is too late. -> -> I do not know what version of Python you have installed. Python 2.2.3 -> would be good. I've not seen final confirmation about using Python 2.3 -> with MM 2.1.2 From dlg at dorkzilla.org Wed Aug 13 17:04:19 2003 From: dlg at dorkzilla.org (david l goodrich) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:04:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] using the web interface to confirm subscription Message-ID: <01e301c361ac$2eedee40$c56414ac@bookmobile01> when users try the web interface to confirm their subscription to a mailman list (running mailman 2.1.1 on openbsd 3.3/i386-stable) they're presented with this error message. i've seen this error on the list before, but never a solution. help? --david ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Trebinde To: david l goodrich Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:38 AM Subject: Error Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 222, in ? run_main() File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main print_traceback(logger) File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 119, in print_traceback print >> logfp, '@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@' File "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.1/fake-i386/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mai lman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 73, in write File "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.1/fake-i386/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mai lman/Logging/Logger.py", line 88, in write SystemError: can't resize shared unicode objects Python information: VariableValue sys.version2.2.1 (#1, Mar 19 2003, 15:02:42) [GCC 2.95.3 20010125 (prerelease, propolice)] sys.executable/usr/local/bin/python2.2 sys.prefix/usr/local sys.exec_prefix/usr/local sys.path/usr/local sys.platformopenbsd3 Environment variables: VariableValue HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/x-shockwave-flash, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, */* CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_REFERER http://mail.dorkzilla.org/mailman/confirm/rochester/09ddf19d2dc7e409f704a061c110c7cc8bbf6a46 SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.2.3 mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.7-beta3 PYTHONPATH /usr/local/lib/mailman SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/local/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/confirm SERVER_ADMIN root at dorkzilla.org SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/confirm SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.27 Server at mail.dorkzilla.org Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD POST HTTP_HOST mail.dorkzilla.org PATH_INFO /rochester SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.0 QUERY_STRING HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL no-cache, max-stale=0 REQUEST_URI /mailman/confirm/rochester CONTENT_LENGTH 133 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322) SERVER_NAME mail.dorkzilla.org REMOTE_ADDR 129.176.151.121 REMOTE_PORT 17651 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us HTTP_X_BLUECOAT_VIA 7DC4662F44BCF3E8 PATH_TRANSLATED /var/www/htdocs/rochester SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate SERVER_ADDR 209.234.76.77 DOCUMENT_ROOT /var/www/htdocs From anders at norrbring.biz Wed Aug 13 17:21:50 2003 From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:21:50 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Whoooi... :) In-Reply-To: <4C72438A-CD90-11D7-A2FF-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <200308131521.h7DFLpm04002@vargen.levonline.com> So many obstacles.. But now I'm up and running! But.. Now to another thing, if I want a list to be 'read-only', that is so users can't post, just receive mail from the list? Only admin and moderators should be able to post to it. (It an info list). How do I set that up? It doesn't seem to be all logical to me and I can't find it in the doc files I have. Anders Norrbring Norrbring Consulting From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Aug 13 17:36:09 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:36:09 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Whoooi... :) In-Reply-To: <200308131521.h7DFLpm04002@vargen.levonline.com> References: <200308131521.h7DFLpm04002@vargen.levonline.com> Message-ID: <1060788962.2624.36.camel@Anncons4> On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 11:21, Anders Norrbring wrote: > So many obstacles.. But now I'm up and running! > > But.. Now to another thing, if I want a list to be 'read-only', that is so > users can't post, just receive mail from the list? Only admin and > moderators should be able to post to it. (It an info list). How do I set > that up? It doesn't seem to be all logical to me and I can't find it in the > doc files I have. > > Anders Norrbring > Norrbring Consulting Take a look at the FAQ. There is one written about just how to setup an "announce only list". Basically you go to the membership section of the Web-admin and set all the users Modify bit to on, then you go to selected users (like your admins) and turn their modify bit off - or leave them all on and force the admins to approve any and all messages (so that the messages can't be spoofed by someone). Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py HtH - Jon Carnes From bantonio at di.fc.ul.pt Wed Aug 13 17:46:39 2003 From: bantonio at di.fc.ul.pt (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bruno_Ant=F3nio?=) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:46:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing list archives Message-ID: <3F3A5D5F.5040401@di.fc.ul.pt> Hello, I have decided to stop archiving the mails in one of my mailman lists, is there any problem removing using "rm -r -f *" in linux or there is a cleanner method to execute this task? Thanks in advance. -- Bruno Ant?nio, Administra??o de Sistemas do Dep. de Inform?tica da Fac. de Ci?ncias da Universidade de Lisboa, Campo Grande Bloco C5 piso 1 sala 5.1.25B 1749-016 Lisboa - Portugal Tel: +351 217500513 Fax: +351 217500084 From dlg at dorkzilla.org Wed Aug 13 17:46:42 2003 From: dlg at dorkzilla.org (david l goodrich) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:46:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] using the web interface to confirm subscription References: <000801c361b0$f1726410$3900a8c0@reseau.microassist.fr> Message-ID: <003001c361b2$1a38f840$6601a8c0@CRAIGLAP> yours is the thread i saw :] the list name is "rochester", so i'm not sure how that could be the problem... --david ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvain Langlade" To: "'david l goodrich'" ; Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:38 AM Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] using the web interface to confirm subscription > I once had such problem with a list. You can search this list for more infos > about this one (thread name was "Mailman 2.1.1 crashing when approving a new > member"). It looks like a deep bug somewhere between Python and Mailman. > > In my case, I noticed that it happened only when the list name contains > hyphens (-). Check if this is your case. Not using hyphens works great for > me but it surely is somewhat annoying. > > HTH > > > when users try the web interface to confirm their > > subscription to a mailman > > list (running mailman 2.1.1 on openbsd 3.3/i386-stable) > > they're presented > > with this error message. i've seen this error on the list > > before, but never > > a solution. help? > > From anders at norrbring.biz Wed Aug 13 17:54:38 2003 From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:54:38 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Whoooi... :) In-Reply-To: <1060788962.2624.36.camel@Anncons4> Message-ID: <200308131554.h7DFsdE22047@hunden.levonline.com> Thanks! Finally I found it.. :) Anders Norrbring -> Take a look at the FAQ. There is one written about just how to setup an -> "announce only list". Basically you go to the membership section of the -> Web-admin and set all the users Modify bit to on, then you go to -> selected users (like your admins) and turn their modify bit off - or -> leave them all on and force the admins to approve any and all messages -> (so that the messages can't be spoofed by someone). -> -> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -> -> HtH - Jon Carnes From anders at norrbring.biz Wed Aug 13 20:22:51 2003 From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:22:51 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I was thinking.doc Message-ID: <200308131822.h7DIMp512148@hyena.levonline.com> I was thinking... Could it be possible to edit the file '/etc/sysconfig/mailman' put in another parameter to get it reflected into the resulting mm_cfg.py when I change it in YaST2 and then run SuSEconfig ? Or are all parameters in the /etc/sysconfig files hardcoded? If it's possible, and anyone know how to manage it, can you please tell me how to put in a line for OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION ? Thanks! Anders Norrbring Norrbring Consulting From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Aug 13 20:43:05 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:43:05 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I was thinking.doc In-Reply-To: <200308131822.h7DIMp512148@hyena.levonline.com> References: <200308131822.h7DIMp512148@hyena.levonline.com> Message-ID: <1060800180.2624.51.camel@Anncons4> On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 14:22, Anders Norrbring wrote: > > I was thinking... Could it be possible to edit the file > '/etc/sysconfig/mailman' put in another parameter to get it reflected into > the resulting mm_cfg.py when I change it in YaST2 and then run SuSEconfig ? > > > > Or are all parameters in the /etc/sysconfig files hardcoded? If it's > possible, and anyone know how to manage it, can you please tell me how to > put in a line for OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION ? > Well that change rightfully should just go into mm_cfg.py and be left unchanged by whatever upgrade tool you use! Files in /etc/sysconfig are normally reserved for items that go on the command line for starting up a daemon. Just my .02 From mail at freelock.com Wed Aug 13 21:47:38 2003 From: mail at freelock.com (John Locke) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:47:38 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Admin sent to wrong domain--solved In-Reply-To: <1060459911.3927.26.camel@denali.freelock.lan> References: <1060459911.3927.26.camel@denali.freelock.lan> Message-ID: <1060804055.3882.33.camel@denali.freelock.lan> Hello, I'm surprised nobody had an answer for this. Anyway, I just figured it out. While checking top on the server, I noticed that a Python process owned by mailman was taking up all the extra CPU, at a low priority, with some 52 hours of processing time. I used mailmanctl to stop and restart, but the process came right back up to the top of the list. So I tried doing an strace on the process, and it was quite active... it kept adding, renaming, and deleting a file in qfiles/out. On Sat, 2003-08-09 at 13:11, John Locke wrote: > I checked in the qfiles/ directories, couldn't find it there. I tried > stopping and starting mailmanctl. I checked all of the Postfix queues, > and it's nowhere to be found. Where do I find this message, and how do I > get rid of it? So I rechecked this directory, and found that mailman kept creating and deleting two files, a .db and a .pck in this directory, each time with a new name, a few times a second! I stopped mailmanctl, and this time the files were there. I deleted them, restarted mailmanctl, and both problems are solved--no more attempts to mail to the bad domain every hour, and mailman is no longer hogging all the cpu time. Cheers, John Locke Owner, Freelock, LLC Small Business Computing with Open Source http://www.freelock.com From will at thebase.com Wed Aug 13 21:53:08 2003 From: will at thebase.com (Will Knapp) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:53:08 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] include HTML in public pages Message-ID: Hi, I'd like to include some kind of pointer in the public pages forms to outside HTML. I know that SSI won't work inside CGI, but is there in include tag for Mailman or Python that will point to my html header and footer files. I'll have a number of lists (as well as other pages in the site!) and would like to edit once. thanks very much. Will Knapp From brian at whatever2k.com Wed Aug 13 21:53:42 2003 From: brian at whatever2k.com (Brian Burdette) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:53:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Access problem.. References: <4C72438A-CD90-11D7-A2FF-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <3F3A9746.30605@whatever2k.com> > I do not know what version of Python you have installed. Python 2.2.3 > would be good. I've not seen final confirmation about using Python 2.3 > with MM 2.1.2 I'm running Python 2.3, MM 2.1.2, RH 8.3 3.2-7 I'm having issues with a few lists. most lists work properly. one list is generating the error below, and shunting ALL email. deletion and re-creation of the list will cause it to work again, for a while. It's just started this again. A hunt thru the tracker doesn't turn up anything about iterable arguements. Do I need to downgrade python to 2.2.3 to make this work? Thanks. Brian Aug 13 15:02:13 2003 (21139) SHUNTING: 1060804921.628845+2ecaa45b294ccc7106476c70caedaec27b32f635 Aug 13 15:02:14 2003 (21139) Uncaught runner exception: iterable argument required Aug 13 15:02:14 2003 (21139) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89, in process send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in send_i18n_digests msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 257, in process url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 349, in save_attachment ext = guess_extension(ctype, fnext) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 80, in guess_extension if ext in all: TypeError: iterable argument required Aug 13 15:02:14 2003 (21139) SHUNTING: 1060804932.8378969+243bf64bd6fd2e2d56992162d98ba518c7ff22e2 From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Aug 13 23:07:19 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:07:19 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Access problem.. In-Reply-To: <3F3A9746.30605@whatever2k.com> Message-ID: <202A229E-CDD2-11D7-A2FF-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> This may be applicable: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/ index.php?func=detail&aid=747470&group_id=103&atid=300103 On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, at 08:53 pm, Brian Burdette wrote: > >> I do not know what version of Python you have installed. Python 2.2.3 >> would be good. I've not seen final confirmation about using Python >> 2.3 with MM 2.1.2 > > I'm running Python 2.3, MM 2.1.2, RH 8.3 3.2-7 > > I'm having issues with a few lists. > > most lists work properly. > > one list is generating the error below, and shunting ALL email. > deletion and re-creation of the list will cause it to work again, for > a while. It's just started this again. > > A hunt thru the tracker doesn't turn up anything about iterable > arguements. > > Do I need to downgrade python to 2.2.3 to make this work? > > Thanks. > > Brian > > Aug 13 15:02:13 2003 (21139) SHUNTING: > 1060804921.628845+2ecaa45b294ccc7106476c70caedaec27b32f635 > Aug 13 15:02:14 2003 (21139) Uncaught runner exception: iterable > argument required > Aug 13 15:02:14 2003 (21139) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in > _oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in > _onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, > in _dispose > more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, > in _dopipeline > sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89, in > process > send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in > send_digests > send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in > send_i18n_digests > msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 257, in > process > url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 349, in > save_attachment > ext = guess_extension(ctype, fnext) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 80, in > guess_extension > if ext in all: > TypeError: iterable argument required > > Aug 13 15:02:14 2003 (21139) SHUNTING: > 1060804932.8378969+243bf64bd6fd2e2d56992162d98ba518c7ff22e2 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From jens at freebsdforum.de Wed Aug 13 23:09:09 2003 From: jens at freebsdforum.de (Jens Gutzeit) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 23:09:09 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Admin sent to wrong domain--solved In-Reply-To: <1060804055.3882.33.camel@denali.freelock.lan> References: <1060459911.3927.26.camel@denali.freelock.lan> <1060804055.3882.33.camel@denali.freelock.lan> Message-ID: <200308132309.09128.jens@freebsdforum.de> On Wednesday 13 August 2003 21:47, John Locke wrote: > Hello, > > I'm surprised nobody had an answer for this. Anyway, I just figured it This is a known problem, check the archives or just my thread "qrunner with over 90% cpu", you should configure your postfix to give permanent errors instead of temporary ones. Jens From BrentH at uca.edu Wed Aug 13 23:33:52 2003 From: BrentH at uca.edu (Brent Herring) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:33:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Whoooi... :) Message-ID: Make all members moderated and the uncheck the moderated flags on the members you want to be able to post. Brent. D. Brent Herring Computer Services University of Central Arkansas >>> "Anders Norrbring" 8/13/2003 10:21:50 AM >>> So many obstacles.. But now I'm up and running! But.. Now to another thing, if I want a list to be 'read-only', that is so users can't post, just receive mail from the list? Only admin and moderators should be able to post to it. (It an info list). How do I set that up? It doesn't seem to be all logical to me and I can't find it in the doc files I have. Anders Norrbring Norrbring Consulting ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: brenth at uca.edu Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/brenth%40uca.edu From tcs at chacity.org Thu Aug 14 00:19:38 2003 From: tcs at chacity.org (Clay Stuckey) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:19:38 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] non-member bounces Message-ID: <007601c361e8$fce3f290$0f01a8c0@chacity.org> Is there a way to allow posts from all non members? I have 20 or so lists for my company. I want to allow anyone to email any list even it they are not a member. I am using this purely as a centrally managed group email solution. Clay Stuckey - RHCE, CCNA, LPIC-1, MCSE Charleston Housing Authority - MIS Manager voice: (843) 224-9141 fax: (843) 720-3977 business email: tcs at chacity.org personal email: guru at claystuckey.com From anders at norrbring.biz Thu Aug 14 02:16:05 2003 From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:16:05 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] roster verification error Message-ID: <200308140016.h7E0G6110287@hunden.levonline.com> Hello! When I'm trying to access the user listing via the listinfo page, I enter the creator's (admin's) name and password, still it won't let me in? Should there be special access configs for that one? Mailman is v2.1.1 Anders Norrbring Norrbring Consulting From Jlgs21 at aol.com Tue Aug 12 22:28:42 2003 From: Jlgs21 at aol.com (Jlgs21 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:28:42 EDT Subject: [Mailman-Users] new to mailman Message-ID: <178.1eac888b.2c6aa7fa@aol.com> Hi, im new to this mail list and have a few questions....im currently working with a client who owns a night club, my host provides mailman...here is my question.... my client has a weekly mail that he sends to all the user who subscribe to the viplist (users email to viplist at domain.com...and they get subscribed)....this list has grown to 1000+, he is currently using yahoo mail to send the weekly email to all (using an adress book)....yahoo only lets you send 100 each hour...and it always times out.... so this is what i need...and was wondering if with mailman i can achieve this.... need to be able to send a mail to 1000+ persons..... i tried using mailman...and i c that if u send a mail to my list all the members get it, but also if a member writes to the list all the members also receive the message... i only wanna be the one that can send the messages...how do i go about doing this?? thanks! -Juan Luis Gonzalez From slanglade at adv-informatique.fr Wed Aug 13 17:38:27 2003 From: slanglade at adv-informatique.fr (Sylvain Langlade) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:38:27 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] using the web interface to confirm subscription In-Reply-To: <01e301c361ac$2eedee40$c56414ac@bookmobile01> Message-ID: <000801c361b0$f1726410$3900a8c0@reseau.microassist.fr> I once had such problem with a list. You can search this list for more infos about this one (thread name was "Mailman 2.1.1 crashing when approving a new member"). It looks like a deep bug somewhere between Python and Mailman. In my case, I noticed that it happened only when the list name contains hyphens (-). Check if this is your case. Not using hyphens works great for me but it surely is somewhat annoying. HTH > when users try the web interface to confirm their > subscription to a mailman > list (running mailman 2.1.1 on openbsd 3.3/i386-stable) > they're presented > with this error message. i've seen this error on the list > before, but never > a solution. help? From nuno.serra at eur.autodesk.com Wed Aug 13 22:16:20 2003 From: nuno.serra at eur.autodesk.com (Nuno Serra) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:16:20 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] SPAM getting through on moderated lists Message-ID: <3F3A9C94.2060903@eur.autodesk.com> Hi, SPAM email where the from address appears as the list itself is bypassing the list rules for posting and is automatically accepted. Is this a mailman feature? Does it always approve mail coming from itself? Should it? How can I stop it without turning emergency moderation on (not sure if this will stop them or not)? Thanks, Nuno From shaikli at yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 02:02:10 2003 From: shaikli at yahoo.com (Nadim Shaikli) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'empty module name' error and shunting Message-ID: <20030814000210.44542.qmail@web14911.mail.yahoo.com> I've seen a number of posts (courtesy of Google) about this topic, yet not a single one noted a solution. All either were resolved with, 1. upgrade and it will go away (I have the latest of everything) 2. "this only happens on spam (bad header), don't worry about it." 3. you are using a RH RPM install that is broken. Well, in my case I'm on a debian system (code via apt-get) running mailman-2.1.2-6. I have about 12 mailing-lists all seem to function without an issue except for one. Anytime anyone mails to it, the message gets "Shunned" and I see this error in the log/error file (mind you the message is obsoletely fine - its as though there is lock someone that is forcing all legit messages to be shunned). Aug 13 16:40:05 2003 (13248) Uncaught runner exception: Empty module name Aug 13 16:40:05 2003 (13248) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipel ine sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89, in process send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in send_digest s send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in send_i18n_d igests msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 308, in process t = t.encode(charset, 'replace') File "/usr/lib/python2.2/encodings/__init__.py", line 51, in search_function mod = __import__(modname,globals(),locals(),'*') ValueError: Empty module name Aug 13 16:40:05 2003 (13248) SHUNTING: 1060794892.466989+1b026fcd575182e5c957eae f9f3caac319c9a8e3 If I try to 'unshunt' the message - nothing happens and it simply pops back into the qfiles/shunt dir. I have hoards of people waiting for this to get resolved and I've tried asking anyone who would listen on IRC (irc.freenode.net #mailman and/or #debian) to no avail. The website was no help at all (there is no mention of 'shunting' even and alot of the info is rather dated). Could someone please lend a helping hand _ASAP_ ? I'm not on the list, so please CC your replies. Regards, - Nadim __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Thu Aug 14 03:07:04 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:07:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: non-member bounces In-Reply-To: <007601c361e8$fce3f290$0f01a8c0@chacity.org> References: <007601c361e8$fce3f290$0f01a8c0@chacity.org> Message-ID: <20030814010704.GD11344@hq.newdream.net> On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 06:19:38PM -0400, Clay Stuckey wrote: > Is there a way to allow posts from all non members? I have 20 or so lists > for my company. I want to allow anyone to email any list even it they are > not a member. I am using this purely as a centrally managed group email > solution. Yes. How to do so depends on the version you're running. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Thu Aug 14 03:13:25 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:13:25 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: non-member bounces In-Reply-To: <007601c361e8$fce3f290$0f01a8c0@chacity.org> References: <007601c361e8$fce3f290$0f01a8c0@chacity.org> Message-ID: <20030814011325.GE11344@hq.newdream.net> On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 06:19:38PM -0400, Clay Stuckey wrote: > Is there a way to allow posts from all non members? I have 20 or so lists > for my company. I want to allow anyone to email any list even it they are > not a member. I am using this purely as a centrally managed group email > solution. Eep - didn't mean to hit send there. Anyway, yes, but it depends on the version you're using, which you didn't mention. Also, I think this is a bad idea, at least if the list addresses are reachable from the Internet at large, because eventually, you'll almost definitely start getting spam to the list. You might want to just define a regexp for acceptable addresses (which should also be possible) and allow all addresses from a particular domain to post. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") From dafydd at dafydd.com Thu Aug 14 05:58:09 2003 From: dafydd at dafydd.com (David Barr) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:58:09 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache config question. Message-ID: <847CD272-CE0B-11D7-85AB-000A95774B28@dafydd.com> I'm a brand new user of mailman, setting it up for the first time. RH9, Mailman 2.1.2 compiled from source. I'm getting the 404 error when I try to use the web interface to create a new list. I've done this to /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/" Options ExecCGI AllowOverride None Allow from from all Order allow,deny Mailman and Apache have both been restarted several times. What have I missed? Thanks! David -- David - Offbeat http://www.dafydd.com dafydd - Online Fire2 - Burning Man ESD: Integrity*Commitment*Communication*Support There are no normal people. There are only people you don't know very well. --unknown From denlistes at altern.org Thu Aug 14 12:27:41 2003 From: denlistes at altern.org (Denis --) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:27:41 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug whith wrong adress Message-ID: <1060856828.781.45.camel@collectifs> Hello, I have an admin lists who had by error some members with this error on the mail adress: .name at domaine.tld Then, he can't suppress them What is possible to do ? Thanks Denis Here is the error log: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 169, in main change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 1354, in change_options mlist.ApprovedDeleteMember(user) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 925, in ApprovedDeleteMember self.SendUnsubscribeAck(emailaddr, userlang) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py", line 78, in SendUnsubscribeAck Utils.wrap(self.goodbye_msg), lang) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 203, in __init__ self['Subject'] = Header(subject, charset, header_name='Subject') File "/var/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 164, in __init__ self.append(s, charset) File "/var/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 230, in append ustr = unicode(s, incodec) UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) From sorgue at club-internet.fr Thu Aug 14 13:21:34 2003 From: sorgue at club-internet.fr (Matthieu HUTIN) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:21:34 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suscribers number Message-ID: Hello I'm looking for a way to put the subscribers number of my lists on a web page that is not generated by MailMan. Is it possible ? Thank you -- Matthieu HUTIN Ceux qui ne luttent pas contre le mal, finissent par le servir.... From anders at norrbring.biz Thu Aug 14 13:34:13 2003 From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:34:13 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Define stuff per list or language? Message-ID: <200308141134.h7EBYEY27480@hyena.levonline.com> Hiya all! I've found the really nice feature in 2.1 to have custom templates for each list and/or language available. But, there's one important (to me, anyway) variable I can't seem to find any possibility to customize per language, so if anyone knows how, please help! The variable is 'member_moderation_notice'. Since we run a couple of dual language lists it kinda important to set. We have both English and Swedish languages on those lists, and as many of you know, we Scandinavians (and others) use extended ASCII in our texts, so if I use any of those, they show up correctly when a user have set his/her language to Swedish, but if the language option is set to English, then it's a mess in the mail sent out as moderation/reject e-mail. Due to the fact that I haven't found any customization function for that specific parameter, I have to include both Swedish and English explanatory text in the response e-mail, and it really sucks when a user gets a mail full of å and alikes just because I can't set one string per language. Please point out to me how it can be done! Thank you! Anders Norrbring Norrbring Consulting From jam at jamux.com Thu Aug 14 15:56:49 2003 From: jam at jamux.com (John A. Martin) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:56:49 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] SPAM getting through on moderated lists In-Reply-To: <3F3A9C94.2060903@eur.autodesk.com> (Nuno Serra's message of "Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:16:20 +0200") References: <3F3A9C94.2060903@eur.autodesk.com> Message-ID: <871xvonxzy.fsf@athene.jamux.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> "Nuno" == Nuno Serra >>>>> "[Mailman-Users] SPAM getting through on moderated lists" >>>>> Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:16:20 +0200 Nuno> Hi, SPAM email where the from address appears as the list Nuno> itself is bypassing the list rules for posting and is Nuno> automatically accepted. Hmm.... That makes for IMHO an interesting question. Since many, if not most MTAs can be configured to reject mail from specific envelope senders, usually specified as regular expressions, the question is what if any envelope senders related to mailman lists (and not from our local {host,net}) can be rejected by an MTA that is dedicated to handling incoming mail for only the lists. It is advantageous to reject unwanted mail during the SMTP conversation rather than later. It should be pretty easy to cause a MTA reject all incoming mail from non-local relays with any envelope sender address appearing among the Mailman aliases. Will this do no harm? Nuno> How can I stop it without turning emergency moderation on Nuno> (not sure if this will stop them or not)? If the list shows up as a header sender, have you looked at "Hold posts with header value matching a specified regexp" among the Privacy Options? jam -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQE/O5THUEvv1b/iXy8RAovtAJsE5lIDD2JUzv0B74+wcIHB+ycvzgCfSFGQ NyUrZBRPx9VaBvKBHK2o3gg= =QSMB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chen7 at cse.sc.edu Thu Aug 14 16:45:53 2003 From: chen7 at cse.sc.edu (Chuming Chen) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <2186.129.252.138.223.1060872353.squirrel@mail.cse.sc.edu> Hi, all, We are using mailman to set up mailing lists. It works great. I have some questions about using mailman. Before I send a digest out, I would like to edit it. Where in the Unix world is it located? How can I have permission to read/write it? I would like to be able to send out a digest when I want. From the help manual, it appears that my choices are (1) daily and (2) when a size limit is reached. I would prefer weekly or on-demand. Thank you for your kind reply. -- Chuming Chen UNIX System Support Department of Computer Science and Engineering University of South Carolina Swearingen 1D49 Columbia, SC 20208 +1 803 576-6308 From mike at superiorholidayadventures.ca Thu Aug 14 17:01:24 2003 From: mike at superiorholidayadventures.ca (Mike) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:01:24 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with weird setup Message-ID: I'm having a heck of a time getting my mailman configuration finalized and I know it's because of my setup. I'll ask my question now and list all the technical details below. QUESTION: What can I do to modify my current lists so that they send out their subscription confirmation links as http://host2.domain.com:8080/ instead of http://host.domain.com/? TECHNICAL DETAILS: I have two boxen behind a NATting firewall that looks like this: +---------+ Port 80 ----> +--| IIS | host.domain.com | +---------+ host2.domain.com +----------+ | redirects to --------+ [Outside IP]--| Firewall |--+ | +----------+ | | | +---------+ | Port 8080---> +--| Apache | host2.domain.com:8080 <---+ | Mailman | +---------+ Apache is listening on Port 80 - IPTables DNAT is translating Port 8080 on the outside to Port 80 internally 1. When I access http://host2.domain.com/mailman/listinfo/listname I get redirected by the IIS server to http://host2.domain.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/listname. This is on purpose to get around people that will simply type in http://host2.domain.com and wonder why things don't work. When I get to the requested page, I can then fill out the HTML form to subscribe. When I submit the form, because it's ACTION is http://host2.domain.com/mailman/subscribe/listname/ and not host2:8080, the POST variables seem to get stripped and I get an error saying that "You must supply a valid email address". I cannot subscribe to lists through the HTML pages. 2. If I send an email to listname-subscribe at host.domain.com I get a confirmation e-mail back which looks like this: http://host.domain.com/mailman/confirm/listname/0618bc95ac6b9f595dafc3f6 c2b08fe34eb1b412 I click on the URL and am forwarded to: http://host2.domain.com:8080/mailman/confirm/listname/0618bc95ac6b9f595d afc3f6c2b08fe34eb1b412 When I click on the Subscribe to Listname button I'm presented with another form asking for the confirmation code. I then copy the confirmation code out of the e-mail (0618bc95ac6b9f595dafc3f6c2b08fe34eb1b412) and paste it to the form. The form is submitted and then I'm presented with the same form asking for the confirmation code. Again, I suspect this is happening because the FORM's ACTION is http://host2/ and not http://host2:8080/ resulting in the POST variables being stripped. 3. If I simply reply to the list confirmation request I can subscribe successfully and send and read email's sent to the list. 4. All of my lists were created internally with DNS pointing to the internal (192.168.0.x) address of the server. They worked great. Now I've changed the DNS to the outside IP of the firewall and now these problems are cropping up. Also, if I go directly to http://host2.domain.com:8080/mailman/admin I'm told that there are no lists available. If I attempt to create a list with this interface and then subscribe to it, I'm successful (even using the web interfaces). Thanks for any help, Mike Fetherston From ewilts at ewilts.org Thu Aug 14 17:09:46 2003 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:09:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] SPAM getting through on moderated lists In-Reply-To: <871xvonxzy.fsf@athene.jamux.com>; from jam@jamux.com on Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 09:56:49AM -0400 References: <3F3A9C94.2060903@eur.autodesk.com> <871xvonxzy.fsf@athene.jamux.com> Message-ID: <20030814100946.B23164@www.ewilts.org> On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 09:56:49AM -0400, John A. Martin wrote: > Hmm.... That makes for IMHO an interesting question. Since many, if > not most MTAs can be configured to reject mail from specific envelope > senders, usually specified as regular expressions, the question is > > what if any envelope senders related to mailman lists (and not > from our local {host,net}) can be rejected by an MTA that is > dedicated to handling incoming mail for only the lists. > > It is advantageous to reject unwanted mail during the SMTP > conversation rather than later. > > It should be pretty easy to cause a MTA reject all incoming mail from > non-local relays with any envelope sender address appearing among the > Mailman aliases. This sounds like a good and safe thing to configure, but I'm not enough of a sendmail expert to write those rules. What would one look like to allow, for example, a mail message to list at foo.com to only come from an MTA in the foo.com domain? Thanks, .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org From jeremyp at pobox.com Thu Aug 14 18:23:00 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:23:00 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive dating problem - mailman 2.1.2, regenerating archives from mbox Message-ID: <1060878134.24199.16.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> Hello, I'm having trouble getting the archives to show the correct dates in mailman version 2.1.2 (running on Red Hat Linux 7.3). I have some lists that I copied to my current server from a previous mail host (which was running 2.0.x, but that should be irrelevant). I copied the archives and concatonated the mbox files of the new and old archives. I made sure to include a blank line between messages in the mbox files, as suggested in the FAQ, and the mbox file appears correct when viewed with mailx (the "mail" comamnd in Linux) and pine. However, when I regenerate the archives from the mbox file, by removing the old archive directory and running mailman/bin/arch , many of the messages are dated incorrectly. Some of the messages archive fine, but others are given the _current_ date and time, instead of the date on the message. This is very annoying as it means I have a huge number of messages in August 2003 which do not belong there, and the original date/time information is lost! When I look at the messages in question in the mbox file, they appear to be properly formatted with correct Date: and "From " headers. In previous versions of mailman, there was a configuration flag on whether to follow the date/time of the message Date: header, or the one from the mbox format "From " line. However, I can't seem to find this option in mailman 2.1.2. Has it been removed, and if so, why? Thanks for any ideas! --Jeremy -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030814/eadf31ac/attachment.pgp From chen7 at cse.sc.edu Thu Aug 14 18:33:09 2003 From: chen7 at cse.sc.edu (Chuming Chen) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] send digest on-demand Message-ID: <2379.129.252.138.223.1060878789.squirrel@mail.cse.sc.edu> Hi, all, We are using mailman to set up mailing lists. It works great. I have some questions about using mailman. Before I send a digest out, I would like to edit it. Where in the Unix world is it located? How can I have permission to read/write it? I would like to be able to send out a digest when I want. From the help manual, it appears that my choices are (1) daily and (2) when a size limit is reached. I would prefer weekly or on-demand. Thank you for your kind reply. -- Chuming Chen UNIX System Support Department of Computer Science and Engineering University of South Carolina Swearingen 1D49 Columbia, SC 20208 +1 803 576-6308 From jam at jamux.com Thu Aug 14 18:34:21 2003 From: jam at jamux.com (John A. Martin) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:34:21 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] SPAM getting through on moderated lists In-Reply-To: <20030814100946.B23164@www.ewilts.org> (Ed Wilts's message of "Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:09:46 -0500") References: <3F3A9C94.2060903@eur.autodesk.com> <871xvonxzy.fsf@athene.jamux.com> <20030814100946.B23164@www.ewilts.org> Message-ID: <87k79gmc4y.fsf@athene.jamux.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> "Ed" == Ed Wilts >>>>> "Re: [Mailman-Users] SPAM getting through on moderated lists" >>>>> Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:09:46 -0500 Ed> What would one look like to allow, for example, a mail message Ed> to list at foo.com to only come from an MTA in the foo.com Ed> domain? I don't do Sendmail anymore. One way to do this with a recent Postfix would be something like the following which is untested but should work for a dedicated MTA on the same host as Mailman. 1. Check that 'postconf mynetworks' gives 127.0.0.0/8 plus whatever IPs from which you do _not_ want to block SMTP 'mail from: '. NB. If 'mynetworks' includes MX backup hosts mail arriving therefrom will not be blocked by what follows. 2. Cause something like the following to be run as root either whenever the Mailman aliases are modified or, less well, periodically by cron. This converts the Mailman aliases file, excluding the loop detection alias, into a Postfix access table. egrep -v '^$|^#|^mailman-loop' /etc/postfix/check-list-bmf postmap /etc/postfix/check-list-bmf The above bash script assumes Mailman and Postfix installed from recent Debian packages. 3. In /etc/postfix/main.cf smtpd_recipient_restrictions = ... permit_mynetworks ... check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/check-list-bmf ... permit Something similar should be easy with Sendmail, right? :) It still needs to be determined whether the above will do no harm. HTH jam -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQE/O7oJUEvv1b/iXy8RAsAxAJ9hjo902Pqpq2d58gmmQuBswKMVfQCfWDG4 /xVkiW9Iifs1jaSjzE2nC7Y= =Z3mN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jeremyp at pobox.com Thu Aug 14 19:02:01 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:02:01 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Evolution, GPG, and mailman 2.1.2 - blank message bodies Message-ID: <1060880469.24199.47.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> Hello. I feel like this must be an F.A.Q. but I could find no mention of it in the searchable archives or the FAQ-O-Matic. Anyway, it seems that evolution has a bug in message display that affects GPG-signed email sent to mailman 2.1.x lists (when the GPG signature uses PGP/MIME). Mailman adds the list's signature as a MIME attachment, and for some reason evolution shows ONLY the list signature, and not the body of the message at all! This is apparently fixed in Evolution 1.4.3, but unfortunately a large number of our users are using prior versions of evolution, like 1.2.2 that's included in Red Hat Linux 9. I suspect this is true of many users around the community. Though this is an evolution bug, most of our users are seeing it as a "mailman problem," because suddenly they cannot view their messages after we upgraded to mailman 2.1.x. Does anyone have any ideas or workarounds? Is there any way to make mailman 2.1.2 go back to the old behavior that doesn't use MIME to add the signature (or just skips it for MIME messages) ? Note: I've also heard that Outlook Express has a similar problem reading GPG-signed emails with evolution's MIME-added signature, so this isn't really uniquely an evolution problem. But Outlook Express handles GPG pretty pitifully anyway, so I'm not worrying about that. Thanks for any advice, Jeremy -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com trilug.org/~jeremy | | GPG Fingerprint: 712D 77C7 AB2D 2130 989F E135 6F9F F7BC CC1A 7B92 | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030814/01b8844c/attachment.pgp From paul at thcwd.com Thu Aug 14 19:04:29 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:04:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Suscribers number In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030814115544.028530d8@mail.thcwd.com> Matthieu HUTIN wrote: >I'm looking for a way to put the subscribers number of my lists on a web >page that is not generated by MailMan. Is it possible ? If you mean the number of subscribers, yes. Set up a cron job with something like this for each list: /usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members listname | wc -l > //www/html/mm/listnamecount You can then use a virtual include or other method of getting the number in listnamecount onto a web page. While you are at it, you can also show pending members in a similar way. The cron job looks something like: find /usr/local/mailman/data -name "listname" | wc -l > //www/html/mm/listnamepending <>< Paul From ken at kyler.com Thu Aug 14 12:22:56 2003 From: ken at kyler.com (Ken Kyler) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 06:22:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] v2.1.1 and Archive download problem Message-ID: We are using version 2.1.1 and when someone clicks on the "download the full raw archive" on the archives page, the archive is not downloaded under IE. It downloads okay using Netscape or Opera. I've tried downloading this list's archives and it works fine. Therefore I'm thinking this is either a configuration problem or an upgrade problem. Has anyone experienced this? Got a fix? Ken From anders at norrbring.biz Thu Aug 14 21:40:43 2003 From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:40:43 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] v2.1.1 and Archive download problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200308141940.h7EJejR21611@raven.levonline.com> I have the precis same problem, seems like the URL is not converted right, in my IE6 it comes up with: mhtml:http://www.the-server.net/pipermail/fetishclub_info.mbox/fetishclub_in fo.mbox Which of course is totally wrong.. Anders Norrbring -> We are using version 2.1.1 and when someone clicks on the "download the -> full -> raw archive" on the archives page, the archive is not downloaded under -> IE. -> It downloads okay using Netscape or Opera. -> -> I've tried downloading this list's archives and it works fine. Therefore -> I'm thinking this is either a configuration problem or an upgrade -> problem. -> Has anyone experienced this? Got a fix? -> -> Ken From madler at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Aug 14 22:23:11 2003 From: madler at alumni.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:23:11 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Junk mail copied in post approvals Message-ID: <2065ED1E-CE95-11D7-B966-0003937C429A@alumni.caltech.edu> Mailmen, From the change log for 2.1: When a message is first held for approval, the notification sent to the list admin is a 3-part multipart/mixed. The first part holds the notification message, the second part hold the original message, and the third part hold a cookie confirmation message, to which the admin can respond to approve or discard the message via email. The consequence of this change since 2.0 is that every single junk mail to the list (which is nearly all mail that ends up getting held for approval) is copied in its full glory to the list administrator. This particular list administrator experiences the further consequence of having to give his junk mail filter mixed messages about trying to not mark such email as junk, yet mark other email with the same contents as junk mail. Even ignoring the filter problems, I'd just as soon not have all that email copied to me at all. It would be sufficient to send me an email that there is a post awaiting approval without even providing the from address or the subject line. I can always go look at the email in its less offensive raw text form on the Mailman disposition web page. So is there a way to turn this off? Is there an option for this, or does the source code need to be modified? mark From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Thu Aug 14 23:12:04 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:12:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Evolution, GPG, and mailman 2.1.2 - blank message bodies In-Reply-To: <1060880469.24199.47.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> References: <1060880469.24199.47.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> Message-ID: <20030814211204.GA19917@hq.newdream.net> On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 01:01:09PM -0400, Jeremy Portzer wrote: > > Note: I've also heard that Outlook Express has a similar problem > reading GPG-signed emails with evolution's MIME-added signature, so this > isn't really uniquely an evolution problem. But Outlook Express handles > GPG pretty pitifully anyway, so I'm not worrying about that. Well maybe Evolution were copying Lookout! so exactly, they decided to reproduce the bugs as well.... Of course, the obvious workaround is not to GPG sign list mails, or to clearsign instead of using PGP/MIME.... -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") From wknechtel at psi-np.org Thu Aug 14 23:24:24 2003 From: wknechtel at psi-np.org (William Knechtel) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:24:24 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email posts get posted to the wrong list! Message-ID: <003801c362aa$6f45beb0$44d37b80@ad.psinp.org> Hello All! I'm trying to set up Mailman 2.1.2 on a FreeBSD 4.6 server. I'm using courier-MTA as my mail server software. I've gone through the install procedure, and set up the prescribed umbrealla list called "mailman", and set up a test list, which I'm calling "all". When I sent a message to all at psi-np.org, it's not actually posting to that list, it's posting to mailman at psi-np.org! Now, I've redone the install process (twice), I've verified that the aliases I'm giving courier are correct, and still, the post end up posting to the wrong list. The "mailman" list respond to my attempts to post to "all" with: Your mail to 'Mailman' with the subject Please Work Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Message has implicit destination Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: I'm at a loss here. Would someone be so kind as to point me in the right direction?? Thanks in advance! Kindest Regards, Bill From yunke at productivity.org Thu Aug 14 22:57:23 2003 From: yunke at productivity.org (J Yunke) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:57:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] v2.1.1 and Archive download problem In-Reply-To: <200308141940.h7EJejR21611@raven.levonline.com> Message-ID: Changing your Apache (or other web server software) mime.types file for the line that says text/plain from: text/plain asc txt ...to: text/plain asc txt mbox ...seemed to do the trick for us over here at elists.org. -- Justin On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Anders Norrbring wrote: > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:40:43 +0200 > From: Anders Norrbring > To: 'Ken Kyler' , mailman-users at python.org > Cc: 'Justin Yunke' > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] v2.1.1 and Archive download problem > > I have the precis same problem, seems like the URL is not converted right, > in my IE6 it comes up with: > > mhtml:http://www.the-server.net/pipermail/fetishclub_info.mbox/fetishclub_in > fo.mbox > > Which of course is totally wrong.. > > Anders Norrbring > > > -> We are using version 2.1.1 and when someone clicks on the "download the > -> full > -> raw archive" on the archives page, the archive is not downloaded under > -> IE. > -> It downloads okay using Netscape or Opera. > -> > -> I've tried downloading this list's archives and it works fine. Therefore > -> I'm thinking this is either a configuration problem or an upgrade > -> problem. > -> Has anyone experienced this? Got a fix? > -> > -> Ken From npuhlmann at westbay.net Thu Aug 14 23:21:25 2003 From: npuhlmann at westbay.net (Nils Puhlmann) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:21:25 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe options Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030814141925.0217b5c0@smtp.westbay.net> Hello, I just installed mailman and found out that there does not seem to be an option to have confirmed unsubscribes? It is a good idea to prevent others from unsubscribing members and the password is really inconvenient when people want to get off a list but do not remember their password. This leads to complaints which in turn can lead to a block by AOL for example. Is there anything planned like a confirmed unsubscribe option pretty much the same way the confirmed subscribe works? 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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Aug 15 00:19:00 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:19:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] v2.1.1 and Archive download problem In-Reply-To: <200308141940.h7EJejR21611@raven.levonline.com> Message-ID: <4E30979E-CEA5-11D7-A2FF-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Thursday, August 14, 2003, at 08:40 pm, Anders Norrbring wrote: > I have the precis same problem, seems like the URL is not converted > right, > in my IE6 it comes up with: > > mhtml:http://www.the-server.net/pipermail/fetishclub_info.mbox/ > fetishclub_in > fo.mbox > > Which of course is totally wrong.. > In the case of my Mailman machine, for a public archive, the Apache server was returning the HTTP response header Content-Type: message/rfc822 for .mbox files. IE6's behaviour when trying to render a .mbox file appears to be due to this header value. This Content-Type header results from a combination of the Apache server's mime.types and magic configuration files. Change those so that Apache returned a Content-Type: text/plain header for a .mbox file and IE6 renders the .mbox as text OK. In the case of a private archive, the $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/private.py returns a Content-Type: text/plain header which IE6 renders as text without problems. It might be possible to adjust some IE setting to persuade it to respond more appropriately to the Content-Type: message/rfc822. But its is late and I am tired and I hate non-Open Software so I leave this as a task for the reader. This is not a Mailman problem per se. > Anders Norrbring > > > -> We are using version 2.1.1 and when someone clicks on the "download > the > -> full > -> raw archive" on the archives page, the archive is not downloaded > under > -> IE. > -> It downloads okay using Netscape or Opera. > -> > -> I've tried downloading this list's archives and it works fine. > Therefore > -> I'm thinking this is either a configuration problem or an upgrade > -> problem. > -> Has anyone experienced this? Got a fix? > -> > -> Ken > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Aug 15 00:35:30 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:35:30 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email posts get posted to the wrong list! In-Reply-To: <003801c362aa$6f45beb0$44d37b80@ad.psinp.org> Message-ID: <9C09CBB8-CEA7-11D7-A2FF-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Thursday, August 14, 2003, at 10:24 pm, William Knechtel wrote: > Hello All! > > I'm trying to set up Mailman 2.1.2 on a FreeBSD 4.6 server. I'm using > courier-MTA as my mail server software. I've gone through the install > procedure, and set up the prescribed umbrealla list called "mailman", Why do you refer to the 'mailman' list as an umbrella list? This term has a specific meaning for Mailman lists being that for a list whose members are other lists. > and set up a test list, which I'm calling "all". When I sent a message > to all at psi-np.org, it's not actually posting to that list, it's posting > to mailman at psi-np.org! Now, I've redone the install process (twice), > I've verified that the aliases I'm giving courier are correct, Without wishing to be argumentative, if the Mailman mail delivery wrapper is called correctly by the MTA then the mail will be accepted for and processed on behalf of the correct list. If it is getting to the wrong list then the Mailman mail delivery wrapper is not being called correctly and typically this is because the mail aliases are incorrect. > and > still, the post end up posting to the wrong list. The "mailman" list > respond to my attempts to post to "all" with: > > > Your mail to 'Mailman' with the subject > > Please Work > > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > > The reason it is being held: > > Message has implicit destination > This will occur when mail is received by a list which does not find its email address in either the To: or Cc: header. In your case, this tends to reinforce the view that the MTA, when delivering the message via Mailman's mail delivery script, is passing it to the wrong list. When the message is being processed by that list it finds it is not in the To: or Cc: header of the message; hence the error message. This error can also occur when posting to a list which has another list as a member and the sublist does not see itself in the To: or Cc: header when the message is passed down to it. > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive > notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel > this posting, please visit the following URL: > > > I'm at a loss here. Would someone be so kind as to point me in the > right direction?? Thanks in advance! > > Kindest Regards, > Bill > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk Fri Aug 15 00:52:50 2003 From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:52:50 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Junk mail copied in post approvals In-Reply-To: <2065ED1E-CE95-11D7-B966-0003937C429A@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <07DE5397-CEAA-11D7-A2FF-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> On Thursday, August 14, 2003, at 09:23 pm, Mark Adler wrote: > Mailmen, > > From the change log for 2.1: > > When a message is first held for approval, the notification > sent to the list admin is a 3-part multipart/mixed. The > first part holds the notification message, the second part > hold the original message, and the third part hold a cookie > confirmation message, to which the admin can respond to > approve or discard the message via email. > > The consequence of this change since 2.0 is that every single junk > mail to the list (which is nearly all mail that ends up getting held > for approval) is copied in its full glory to the list administrator. > This particular list administrator experiences the further consequence > of having to give his junk mail filter mixed messages about trying to > not mark such email as junk, yet mark other email with the same > contents as junk mail. Even ignoring the filter problems, I'd just as > soon not have all that email copied to me at all. It would be > sufficient to send me an email that there is a post awaiting approval > without even providing the from address or the subject line. I can > always go look at the email in its less offensive raw text form on the > Mailman disposition web page. > This patch may be of use to you: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/ ?func=detail&aid=760567&group_id=103&atid=300103 > So is there a way to turn this off? Is there an option for this, or > does the source code need to be modified? > > mark From wknechtel at psi-np.org Fri Aug 15 01:31:37 2003 From: wknechtel at psi-np.org (William Knechtel) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:31:37 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email posts get posted to the wrong list! In-Reply-To: <9C09CBB8-CEA7-11D7-A2FF-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <000401c362bc$34b02a80$c5ccead8@ONESIMUS> Please forgive my misuse of the term "umbrella list". I made an incorrect correlation. :-) Now, for your peruasal, I'm posting the contents of my alias files. I have mailman installed in /usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org. My MTA uses maildirs, very much like Qmail, and in fact uses the same style of aliasing, if your familiar with the way .qmail works, though in my case, the files are .courier. My maildirs are in /usr/local/mail/psi-np.org/. So, here are my aliases for both "mailman" and "all": mailman (found in /usr/local/mail/psi-np.org/mailman/): .courier: |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman post mailman .courier-admin: |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman admin mailman .courier-bounces: |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman bounces mailman .courier-confirm: |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman confirm mailman .courier-join: |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman join mailman .courier-leave: |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman leave mailman .courier-owner |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman owner mailman .courier-request: |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman request mailman .courier-subscribe: |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman subscribe mailman .courier-unsubscribe: |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman And all (found in /usr/local/mail/psi-np.org/all/): .courier: |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman post all .courier-admin: |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman admin all .courier-bounces: |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman bounces all .courier-confirm: |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman confirm all .courier-join: |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman join all .courier-leave: |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman leave all .courier-owner: |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman owner all .courier-request: |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman request all .courier-subscribe: |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman subscribe all .courier-unsubscribe: |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman unsubscribe all So, the Aliases are correct. I don't blame you for doubting me on this one, and I don't think you argumentative, I'd do the same if the roles were switched. Would you have any ideas where else I could look?? Kindest regards, Bill > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:36 PM > To: William Knechtel > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Email posts get posted to the wrong list! > > > > On Thursday, August 14, 2003, at 10:24 pm, William Knechtel wrote: > > > Hello All! > > > > I'm trying to set up Mailman 2.1.2 on a FreeBSD 4.6 server. I'm using > > courier-MTA as my mail server software. I've gone through the install > > procedure, and set up the prescribed umbrealla list called "mailman", > > Why do you refer to the 'mailman' list as an umbrella list? This term > has a specific meaning for Mailman lists being that for a list whose > members are other lists. > > > and set up a test list, which I'm calling "all". When I sent a message > > to all at psi-np.org, it's not actually posting to that list, it's posting > > to mailman at psi-np.org! Now, I've redone the install process (twice), > > I've verified that the aliases I'm giving courier are correct, > > Without wishing to be argumentative, if the Mailman mail delivery > wrapper is called correctly by the MTA then the mail will be accepted > for and processed on behalf of the correct list. If it is getting to > the wrong list then the Mailman mail delivery wrapper is not being > called correctly and typically this is because the mail aliases are > incorrect. > > > and > > still, the post end up posting to the wrong list. The "mailman" list > > respond to my attempts to post to "all" with: > > > > > > Your mail to 'Mailman' with the subject > > > > Please Work > > > > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > > > > The reason it is being held: > > > > Message has implicit destination > > > > This will occur when mail is received by a list which does not find its > email address in either the To: or Cc: header. > > In your case, this tends to reinforce the view that the MTA, when > delivering the message via Mailman's mail delivery script, is passing > it to the wrong list. When the message is being processed by that list > it finds it is not in the To: or Cc: header of the message; hence the > error message. > > This error can also occur when posting to a list which has another list > as a member and the sublist does not see itself in the To: or Cc: > header when the message is passed down to it. > > > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive > > notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel > > this posting, please visit the following URL: > > > > > > I'm at a loss here. Would someone be so kind as to point me in the > > right direction?? Thanks in advance! > > > > Kindest Regards, > > Bill > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk > > From n.jm.cornale at free.fr Fri Aug 15 09:55:16 2003 From: n.jm.cornale at free.fr (cornale jm) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:55:16 +0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d'été)) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Contents of Mailman-Users digest References: Message-ID: <3F3C91E4.000001.15753@c5h9z7> -------Message original------- De : mailman-users at python.org Date : vendredi 15 ao?t 2003 00:13:44 A : mailman-users at python.org Sujet : Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 11, Issue 38 Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to mailman-users at python.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mailman-users-request at python.org You can reach the person managing the list at mailman-users-owner at python.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Aug 15 09:51:03 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:51:03 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email posts get posted to the wrong list! In-Reply-To: <000401c362bc$34b02a80$c5ccead8@ONESIMUS> Message-ID: <37F76B5C-CEF5-11D7-A2FF-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Bill On Friday, August 15, 2003, at 12:31 am, William Knechtel wrote: > Please forgive my misuse of the term "umbrella list". I made an > incorrect > correlation. :-) Now, for your peruasal, I'm posting the contents of > my > alias files. I have mailman installed in > /usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org. My > MTA uses maildirs, very much like Qmail, and in fact uses the same > style of > aliasing, if your familiar with the way .qmail works, though in my > case, the > files are .courier. My maildirs are in /usr/local/mail/psi-np.org/. > So, > here are my aliases for both "mailman" and "all": > I do not use courier myself but, at first glance, your alias stuff looks OK to me, but what do I know. You might be able to check out what Mailman and courier think are happening by correlating the MTA mail log with Mailman's $prefix/logs/vette log. The vette log should have an entry for the mail being held for moderation by the 'wrong' list which confirms the list that MM thinks it was posted to, and the message ID. When you look at the MTA log entry for the message ID, does the expected listname appear as the list alias to which the MTA says it is delivering that message as recorded in the matching MTA log entry. If it does not, that would tend to reinforce the idea that this is an aliases handling problem with the MTA. If it does, it suggests a new and interesting problem in MM. Let me know how you get on. Richard > mailman (found in /usr/local/mail/psi-np.org/mailman/): > .courier: > |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman post mailman > .courier-admin: > |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman admin mailman > .courier-bounces: > |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman bounces mailman > .courier-confirm: > |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman confirm mailman > .courier-join: > |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman join mailman > .courier-leave: > |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman leave mailman > .courier-owner > |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman owner mailman > .courier-request: > |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman request mailman > .courier-subscribe: > |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman subscribe mailman > .courier-unsubscribe: > |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman > > > And all (found in /usr/local/mail/psi-np.org/all/): > .courier: > |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman post all > .courier-admin: > |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman admin all > .courier-bounces: > |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman bounces all > .courier-confirm: > |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman confirm all > .courier-join: > |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman join all > .courier-leave: > |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman leave all > .courier-owner: > |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman owner all > .courier-request: > |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman request all > .courier-subscribe: > |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman subscribe all > .courier-unsubscribe: > |/usr/local/mailman/psi-np.org/mail/mailman unsubscribe all > > > So, the Aliases are correct. I don't blame you for doubting me on > this one, > and I don't think you argumentative, I'd do the same if the roles were > switched. Would you have any ideas where else I could look?? > > Kindest regards, > Bill >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] >> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:36 PM >> To: William Knechtel >> Cc: mailman-users at python.org >> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Email posts get posted to the wrong list! >> >> >> >> On Thursday, August 14, 2003, at 10:24 pm, William Knechtel wrote: >> >>> Hello All! >>> >>> I'm trying to set up Mailman 2.1.2 on a FreeBSD 4.6 server. I'm >>> using >>> courier-MTA as my mail server software. I've gone through the install >>> procedure, and set up the prescribed umbrealla list called "mailman", >> >> Why do you refer to the 'mailman' list as an umbrella list? This term >> has a specific meaning for Mailman lists being that for a list whose >> members are other lists. >> >>> and set up a test list, which I'm calling "all". When I sent a >>> message >>> to all at psi-np.org, it's not actually posting to that list, it's >>> posting >>> to mailman at psi-np.org! Now, I've redone the install process (twice), >>> I've verified that the aliases I'm giving courier are correct, >> >> Without wishing to be argumentative, if the Mailman mail delivery >> wrapper is called correctly by the MTA then the mail will be accepted >> for and processed on behalf of the correct list. If it is getting to >> the wrong list then the Mailman mail delivery wrapper is not being >> called correctly and typically this is because the mail aliases are >> incorrect. >> >>> and >>> still, the post end up posting to the wrong list. The "mailman" list >>> respond to my attempts to post to "all" with: >>> >>> >>> Your mail to 'Mailman' with the subject >>> >>> Please Work >>> >>> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. >>> >>> The reason it is being held: >>> >>> Message has implicit destination >>> >> >> This will occur when mail is received by a list which does not find >> its >> email address in either the To: or Cc: header. >> >> In your case, this tends to reinforce the view that the MTA, when >> delivering the message via Mailman's mail delivery script, is passing >> it to the wrong list. When the message is being processed by that list >> it finds it is not in the To: or Cc: header of the message; hence the >> error message. >> >> This error can also occur when posting to a list which has another >> list >> as a member and the sublist does not see itself in the To: or Cc: >> header when the message is passed down to it. >> >>> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive >>> notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to >>> cancel >>> this posting, please visit the following URL: >>> >>> >>> I'm at a loss here. Would someone be so kind as to point me in the >>> right direction?? Thanks in advance! >>> >>> Kindest Regards, >>> Bill >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Fri Aug 15 11:48:55 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:48:55 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Define stuff per list or language? In-Reply-To: <200308141134.h7EBYEY27480@hyena.levonline.com> References: <200308141134.h7EBYEY27480@hyena.levonline.com> Message-ID: <3F3CAC87.6060702@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, You can re-define the charset for English language in mm_cfg.py. Add following lines will do. def _(s): return s add_language('en', _('English (USA)'), 'iso-8859-1') del _ Anders Norrbring wrote: > Hiya all! > > I've found the really nice feature in 2.1 to have custom templates for each > list and/or language available. > > But, there's one important (to me, anyway) variable I can't seem to find any > possibility to customize per language, so if anyone knows how, please help! > > The variable is 'member_moderation_notice'. Since we run a couple of dual > language lists it kinda important to set. We have both English and Swedish > languages on those lists, and as many of you know, we Scandinavians (and > others) use extended ASCII in our texts, so if I use any of those, they show > up correctly when a user have set his/her language to Swedish, but if the > language option is set to English, then it's a mess in the mail sent out as > moderation/reject e-mail. > > Due to the fact that I haven't found any customization function for that > specific parameter, I have to include both Swedish and English explanatory > text in the response e-mail, and it really sucks when a user gets a mail > full of å and alikes just because I can't set one string per > language. > > Please point out to me how it can be done! > > Thank you! > > Anders Norrbring > Norrbring Consulting > -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From subhasis at iopb.res.in Fri Aug 15 13:02:11 2003 From: subhasis at iopb.res.in (Subhasis Mahapatra) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:32:11 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to add more information about the users of a list Message-ID: Hi : ALL How can I add more information (like name, phone office place etc.) for the subscribers of a mailing list.... Thanks in advance. Regards, Subhasis From jam at jamux.com Fri Aug 15 14:18:43 2003 From: jam at jamux.com (John A. Martin) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:18:43 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] SPAM getting through on moderated lists In-Reply-To: <87k79gmc4y.fsf@athene.jamux.com> (John A. Martin's message of "Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:34:21 -0400") References: <3F3A9C94.2060903@eur.autodesk.com> <871xvonxzy.fsf@athene.jamux.com> <20030814100946.B23164@www.ewilts.org> <87k79gmc4y.fsf@athene.jamux.com> Message-ID: <874r0jktb0.fsf@athene.jamux.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> "jam" == John A Martin >>>>> "Re: [Mailman-Users] SPAM getting through on moderated lists" >>>>> Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:34:21 -0400 jam> 2. Cause something like the following to be run as root jam> either whenever the Mailman aliases are modified or, less jam> well, periodically by cron. This converts the Mailman jam> aliases file, excluding the loop detection alias, into a jam> Postfix access table. jam> egrep -v jam> '^$|^#|^mailman-loop' sed 's/^\([^:]*\):.*$/\1 550 Bogus Mail jam> From/'> /etc/postfix/check-list-bmf jam> postmap /etc/postfix/check-list-bmf jam> The above bash script assumes Mailman and Postfix jam> installed from recent Debian packages. That is pure rubbish. I should never post untested anything that even looks like a script or suchlike. I'm too prone to big oversights as above. The above produces 'email-address-pattern action' pairs from the aliases using only the 'name' part of the alias which does not (in general) give an appropriate 'email-address-pattern' for the Postfix access table. The script above could be modified to produce an 'email-address-pattern' of the form 'name at domain.tld' which would work. However, if the Postfix/Mailman host is dedicated to the mailing lists with a hostname like lists.example.com and it also serves Postfix style virtual domain for mailing lists something like lists.foo.tld then the Postfix access table could look something like ,----[ /etc/postfix/check-list-bmf ] lists.example.com 550 Bogus Mail From lists.foo.tld 550 Bogus Mail From lists.bar.tld 550 Bogus Mail From `---- with a line for the Mailman host and each Postfix style virtual domain used for Mailman lists. This access table needs maintenance (postmap) only when virtual domains are added or removed. When employed in the context jam> 3. In /etc/postfix/main.cf jam> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = jam> ... jam> permit_mynetworks jam> ... check_sender_access jam> hash:/etc/postfix/check-list-bmf jam> ... jam> permit this will reject incoming mail using SMTP 'mail from:' our host or any of the FQDN hostnames used for (Postfix style) mail virtual domains. This should AFICT do no harm. The Sendmail equivalent should also be even easier without using the aliases, no? HTH jam -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQE/PM+WUEvv1b/iXy8RAohvAJ4tkWlcYUrNnloI1AlbTQkLRuXDDwCdGlGq l7w+o7uamuHHA+BhYuR87sY= =9Bp4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From BrentH at uca.edu Fri Aug 15 14:43:07 2003 From: BrentH at uca.edu (Brent Herring) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:43:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email posts get posted to the wrong list! Message-ID: At the risk of stating the obvious, did you run the newaliases command after editing your aliases file? Brent. D. Brent Herring Computer Services University of Central Arkansas >>> "William Knechtel" 8/14/2003 4:24:24 PM >>> Hello All! I'm trying to set up Mailman 2.1.2 on a FreeBSD 4.6 server. I'm using courier-MTA as my mail server software. I've gone through the install procedure, and set up the prescribed umbrealla list called "mailman", and set up a test list, which I'm calling "all". When I sent a message to all at psi-np.org, it's not actually posting to that list, it's posting to mailman at psi-np.org! Now, I've redone the install process (twice), I've verified that the aliases I'm giving courier are correct, and still, the post end up posting to the wrong list. The "mailman" list respond to my attempts to post to "all" with: Your mail to 'Mailman' with the subject Please Work Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Message has implicit destination Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: I'm at a loss here. Would someone be so kind as to point me in the right direction?? Thanks in advance! Kindest Regards, Bill ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: brenth at uca.edu Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/brenth%40uca.edu From anders at norrbring.biz Fri Aug 15 14:57:40 2003 From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:57:40 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Define stuff per list or language? In-Reply-To: <3F3CAC87.6060702@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <200308151257.h7FCvhT24963@sork.levonline.com> Alright, thanks.. :) I haven't tried it yet, I'll do it as soon as my server comes up again. However, that's not "as nice" as I should prefer.. Isn't there a chance to have separately defined messages for each list or language? That would be really good to always have all messages, mails and web pages in the users chosen language. With the solution you propose here, I still need to make the outgoing e-mail a dual language one. Later, Anders Norrbring Norrbring Consulting -> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Define stuff per list or language? -> -> Hi, -> -> You can re-define the charset for English language in mm_cfg.py. -> Add following lines will do. -> -> def _(s): -> return s -> add_language('en', _('English (USA)'), 'iso-8859-1') -> del _ -> -> -> Anders Norrbring wrote: -> -> > Hiya all! -> > -> > I've found the really nice feature in 2.1 to have custom templates for -> each -> > list and/or language available. -> > -> > But, there's one important (to me, anyway) variable I can't seem to -> find any -> > possibility to customize per language, so if anyone knows how, please -> help! -> > -> > The variable is 'member_moderation_notice'. Since we run a couple of -> dual -> > language lists it kinda important to set. We have both English and -> Swedish -> > languages on those lists, and as many of you know, we Scandinavians -> (and -> > others) use extended ASCII in our texts, so if I use any of those, they -> show -> > up correctly when a user have set his/her language to Swedish, but if -> the -> > language option is set to English, then it's a mess in the mail sent -> out as -> > moderation/reject e-mail. -> > -> > Due to the fact that I haven't found any customization function for -> that -> > specific parameter, I have to include both Swedish and English -> explanatory -> > text in the response e-mail, and it really sucks when a user gets a -> mail -> > full of å and alikes just because I can't set one string per -> > language. -> > -> > Please point out to me how it can be done! -> > -> > Thank you! -> > -> > Anders Norrbring -> > Norrbring Consulting From tkeller at bbn.com Fri Aug 15 16:24:16 2003 From: tkeller at bbn.com (Thomas Keller) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:24:16 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email posts get posted to the wrong list! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030815102041.02b85df8@po2.bbn.com> I have a similar problem if I have another mailing list on the mailing list as a recipient. I.e. each site in my company has its own list and then I have a general list which sends to each of those lists. The other time I have the problem is if I send an email to a list and to other recipients as well, i.e. TO: list at myserver.com, someone at yahoo.com. I have done newalias and can only assume that it is something in mailman that does not like sending automatically to other lists or when other recipients is included in the TO: line. At 07:43 AM 08/15/2003 -0500, Brent Herring wrote: >At the risk of stating the obvious, did you run the newaliases command >after editing your aliases file? > >Brent. > >D. Brent Herring >Computer Services >University of Central Arkansas > > > >>> "William Knechtel" 8/14/2003 4:24:24 PM >>> >Hello All! > >I'm trying to set up Mailman 2.1.2 on a FreeBSD 4.6 server. I'm using >courier-MTA as my mail server software. I've gone through the install >procedure, and set up the prescribed umbrealla list called "mailman", >and set up a test list, which I'm calling "all". When I sent a >message >to all at psi-np.org, it's not actually posting to that list, it's >posting >to mailman at psi-np.org! Now, I've redone the install process (twice), >I've verified that the aliases I'm giving courier are correct, and >still, the post end up posting to the wrong list. The "mailman" list >respond to my attempts to post to "all" with: > > >Your mail to 'Mailman' with the subject > > Please Work > >Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > >The reason it is being held: > > Message has implicit destination > >Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive >notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel >this posting, please visit the following URL: > > >I'm at a loss here. Would someone be so kind as to point me in the >right direction?? Thanks in advance! > >Kindest Regards, >Bill > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: brenth at uca.edu >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/brenth%40uca.edu > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: tkeller at bbn.com >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/tkeller%40bbn.com From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk Fri Aug 15 16:44:09 2003 From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:44:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email posts get posted to the wrong list! In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030815102041.02b85df8@po2.bbn.com> Message-ID: On Friday, August 15, 2003, at 03:24 pm, Thomas Keller wrote: > I have a similar problem if I have another mailing list on the mailing > list as a recipient. I.e. each site in my company has its own list > and then I have a general list which sends to each of those lists. > The other time I have the problem is if I send an email to a list and > to other recipients as well, i.e. TO: list at myserver.com, > someone at yahoo.com. > > I have done newalias and can only assume that it is something in > mailman that does not like sending automatically to other lists or > when other recipients is included in the TO: line. > Assuming MM 2.1.x Mailman has a feature which the above comments are describing. Take a look at the first two option fields on the Privacy->Recipients web admin GUI page. By default MM lists expect to be in the To: or Cc: mail header of messages incoming to it and holds for moderation posts for which this is not true. You can adjust this behaviour via the GUI. Thomas, in your case, put the higher level list in the regex for option 2 'acceptable aliases'. MM 2.0.13 had a similar feature but I cannot remember which of the web Admin GUI pages it was on. But I do no think this is the same problem as was originally posted about by Bill Knechtel. > > At 07:43 AM 08/15/2003 -0500, Brent Herring wrote: >> At the risk of stating the obvious, did you run the newaliases command >> after editing your aliases file? >> >> Brent. >> >> D. Brent Herring >> Computer Services >> University of Central Arkansas >> >> >> >>> "William Knechtel" 8/14/2003 4:24:24 PM >>> >> Hello All! >> >> I'm trying to set up Mailman 2.1.2 on a FreeBSD 4.6 server. I'm using >> courier-MTA as my mail server software. I've gone through the install >> procedure, and set up the prescribed umbrealla list called "mailman", >> and set up a test list, which I'm calling "all". When I sent a >> message >> to all at psi-np.org, it's not actually posting to that list, it's >> posting >> to mailman at psi-np.org! Now, I've redone the install process (twice), >> I've verified that the aliases I'm giving courier are correct, and >> still, the post end up posting to the wrong list. The "mailman" list >> respond to my attempts to post to "all" with: >> >> >> Your mail to 'Mailman' with the subject >> >> Please Work >> >> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. >> >> The reason it is being held: >> >> Message has implicit destination >> >> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive >> notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel >> this posting, please visit the following URL: >> >> >> I'm at a loss here. Would someone be so kind as to point me in the >> right direction?? Thanks in advance! >> >> Kindest Regards, >> Bill >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> Searchable Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >> This message was sent to: brenth at uca.edu >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/brenth%40uca.edu >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> Searchable Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >> This message was sent to: tkeller at bbn.com >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/tkeller%40bbn.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk > From goffe at oswego.edu Fri Aug 15 20:51:23 2003 From: goffe at oswego.edu (Bill Goffe) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:51:23 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] add_members from another script? Message-ID: <20030815185123.GA5555@cook.rfe.org> I'm running Mailman 2.1.2 on a Debian system, and I'd like to call add_members from another script. In my application, users can only get to this point via a password, so I'm reasonably sure that they don't need address verification that the normal subscription mechanism provides. But, when I call add_members from another CGI script, I get Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/remove_members", line 186, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/remove_members", line 161, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(listname) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 122, in __init__ self.Lock() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 155, in Lock self.__lock.lock(timeout) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 243, in lock self.__write() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 422, in __write fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w') IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/locks/a.lock.cook.20710.0' As Mailman and Apache run under different userids, I tried adding Mailman's group to Apache's, but I still get similar errors (I tried the reverse in case I got it reversed). Interestingly, if I run Apache *itself* as mailman, it works fine, but that seems like an awfully blunt mechanism. I read the FAQ, but didn't see anything. I also spent a lot of time in archives, and while this is talked about, it is never really answered. Thus, I'm most curious if anybody has any suggestions. - Bill -- *------------------------------------------------------* | Bill Goffe goffe at oswego.edu | | Department of Economics voice: (315) 312-3444 | | SUNY Oswego fax: (315) 312-5444 | | 443 Mahar Hall | | Oswego, NY 13126 | *--------*------------------------------------------------------*-----------* | "Our products just aren't engineered for security." | | -- Brian Valentine, Microsoft Senior VP for Windows Development, | | "Lead Windows Developer Bugged by Security," Matt Berger, InfoWorld | | www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/09/05/020905hnmssecure.xml | *---------------------------------------------------------------------------* From dafydd at dafydd.com Fri Aug 15 21:19:07 2003 From: dafydd at dafydd.com (David Barr) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:19:07 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the moderation default. Message-ID: <5763EF5A-CF55-11D7-85AB-000A95774B28@dafydd.com> So, I've manage to get everything working, and I set up my first two or three lists. I set up the first one as moderated by default and then realized I didn't want to do that. I found the switch to unmoderate existing members, but I can't offhand find or determine if I can change the default behavior. Will I have to unmoderate new members for the life of this list, or can I hack the default behavior somehow? Thanks! David -- David - Offbeat http://www.dafydd.com dafydd - Online Fire2 - Burning Man ESD: Integrity*Commitment*Communication*Support There are no normal people. There are only people you don't know very well. --unknown From vtsaran at icevi.org Fri Aug 15 21:41:54 2003 From: vtsaran at icevi.org (Victor Tsaran) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:41:54 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Managing archives In-Reply-To: <1060779433.2624.5.camel@Anncons4> Message-ID: <000001c36365$48aaddb0$5f09a8c0@ppc.com> Hi, John! Your idea and the advice sound great, however, this assumes that the person has to use some kind of Unix-based E-mail client which, as you can imagine, generally not the case. I was hoping for some kind web-based solution, but I guess we will have to wait for this one. Thanks for your help. Will let you know if I come up with something interesting. Regards, Victor -----Original Message----- From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 8:57 AM To: vtsaran at icevi.org Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Managing archives oops... forgot to set the rights for the new archive mbox file... I added that to the second script. Jon Carnes A script that creates the imap mbox and copies the mbox from the archive: #! /bin/bash # # Used to move an archive into position for editing # by anyone who can use an email client # # Assumptions: # - mailman install is in /var/mailman # - imap mailbox root is /home/user/mail/ # This means that you already created the mbox # using your email program. # == $1 # # Input: a valid mailman list name (with archives) # PATH2ARC="/var/mailman/archives/private" # Check that the list name is valid and the archives exist if [ ! -f $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox ]; then echo ERROR: $1 is not a valid mailman list with archives echo (be sure to use all lower case) echo or path to archive files is incorrect: echo $PATH2ARC echo " " exit 0 fi # PATH2MB="/home/user/mail" # # Check that mbox has been created... if [ ! -f $PATH2MB/$1 ]; then echo ERROR: Please check that the path to your IMAP Mailbox echo is: $PATH2MB echo and that you have created a Mailbox called:$1 echo exit 0 fi # cat $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox >> $PATH2MB/$1 === Now someone simply edits the mailbox using their email client. This doesn't take anyone technically minded... When they are done, we put back the archives: #! /bin/bash # # Used to move an edited mbox from an imap folder # and put it back into the Mailman archive from # which it was grabbed. # # Assumptions: # - mailman install is in /var/mailman, # with archives being in /var/mailman/archives/private/.. # - imap mailbox root is /home/user/mail/ # and the imap header for the file is 13 lines long # including the blank line at the end of the message. # # Input: a valid mailman list name (with archives) # PATH2ARC="/var/mailman/archives/private" # # Check that the list name is valid and the archives exist if [ ! -f $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox ]; then echo ERROR: $1 is not a valid mailman list with archives echo (be sure to use all lower case) echo " " exit 0 fi # PATH2MB="/home/user/mail" # # Check that mbox has been created... if [ ! -f $PATH2MB/$1 ]; then echo ERROR: could not find mailbox $1 in path: echo $PATH2MB echo Please check that root path to mailbox is correct. echo " " exit 0 fi # # Number of lines in IMAP header IHEAD=13 # mv $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox.bak # j=`cat $PATH2MB/$1 |wc -l` k=$(( j - IHEAD )) tail -$k $PATH2MB/$1 > $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox chown mailman.mailman $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox # # now lets remove the old archive files and regen # the archives with the new mbox! rm -rf $PATH2ARC/$1/* /var/mailman/bin/arch $1 === The scripts aren't tested, but should be good for a quick start! Take care. Hope that helps someone. Jon Carnes From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Aug 15 22:12:11 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:12:11 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] add_members from another script? In-Reply-To: <20030815185123.GA5555@cook.rfe.org> Message-ID: On Friday, August 15, 2003, at 07:51 pm, Bill Goffe wrote: > I'm running Mailman 2.1.2 on a Debian system, and I'd like to call > add_members from another script. In my application, users can only get > to this point via a password, so I'm reasonably sure that they don't > need address verification that the normal subscription mechanism > provides. But, when I call add_members from another CGI script, I get > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/remove_members", line 186, in ? > main() > File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/remove_members", line 161, in main > mlist = MailList.MailList(listname) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 122, in __init__ > self.Lock() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 155, in Lock > self.__lock.lock(timeout) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 243, in lock > self.__write() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 422, in __write > fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w') > IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: > '/usr/local/mailman/locks/a.lock.cook.20710.0' > > As Mailman and Apache run under different userids, I tried adding > Mailman's group to Apache's, but I still get similar errors (I tried > the > reverse in case I got it reversed). Interestingly, if I run Apache > *itself* as mailman, it works fine, but that seems like an awfully > blunt > mechanism. > > I read the FAQ, but didn't see anything. I also spent a lot of time in > archives, and while this is talked about, it is never really answered. > Mailman's own CGI scripts are run via compiled C wrappers that have set gid to the mailman group permission and which then execute the associated MM CGI script from $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/ directory. These wrappers do some security checking before running the script. The source of the wrapper is in $build/src/cgi-wrapper.c You do not necessarily have to copy this approach in all its detail, although, if your alternative CGI script is written in Python, it is not that difficult to do. But the general principle of doing it this way is good. Take a look at the permissions on the wrappers in $exec-prefix/cgi-bin/ and the C wrapper source code. Certainly this is preferable to opening up the permissions of your Apache server too far, especially if it is accessible from the internet. Another approach is to have your script drop stuff to a file where a cron script run by the mailman user picks the data up and does the real thing. But this puts a lag in response and lacks immediacy. But it can be made a bit more hacker proof. > Thus, I'm most curious if anybody has any suggestions. > > - Bill > > -- *------------------------------------------------------* > | Bill Goffe goffe at oswego.edu | > | Department of Economics voice: (315) 312-3444 | > | SUNY Oswego fax: (315) 312-5444 | > | 443 Mahar Hall | > | Oswego, NY 13126 | > *--------*------------------------------------------------------ > *-----------* > | "Our products just aren't engineered for security." > | > | -- Brian Valentine, Microsoft Senior VP for Windows Development, > | > | "Lead Windows Developer Bugged by Security," Matt Berger, > InfoWorld | > | www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/09/05/020905hnmssecure.xml > | > *---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -----* ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Aug 15 22:40:39 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (jonc) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Managing archives Message-ID: <9311415.1060980039656.JavaMail.Administrator@atp> No... No... No... Setup SquirrelMail on one of your servers and you are there. Heck set it up on your Mailman server and use it just for this. If you need help in setting it up, I'm a wiz at setting this up remotely and my prices are great. Jon Carnes >On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:41:54 -0400 Victor Tsaran wrote. >Hi, John! >Your idea and the advice sound great, however, this assumes that the person >has to use some kind of Unix-based E-mail client which, as you can imagine, >generally not the case. I was hoping for some kind web-based solution, but I >guess we will have to wait for this one. >Thanks for your help. Will let you know if I come up with something >interesting. >Regards, >Victor > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] >Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 8:57 AM >To: vtsaran at icevi.org >Cc: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Managing archives > > >oops... forgot to set the rights for the new archive mbox file... >I added that to the second script. > >Jon Carnes > >A script that creates the imap mbox and copies the mbox from the archive: > #! /bin/bash > # > # Used to move an archive into position for editing > # by anyone who can use an email client > # > # Assumptions: > # - mailman install is in /var/mailman > # - imap mailbox root is /home/user/mail/ > # This means that you already created the mbox > # using your email program. > # == $1 > # > # Input: a valid mailman list name (with archives) > # > PATH2ARC="/var/mailman/archives/private" > # Check that the list name is valid and the archives exist > if [ ! -f $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox ]; then > echo ERROR: $1 is not a valid mailman list with archives > echo (be sure to use all lower case) > echo or path to archive files is incorrect: > echo $PATH2ARC > echo " " > exit 0 > fi > # > PATH2MB="/home/user/mail" > # > # Check that mbox has been created... > if [ ! -f $PATH2MB/$1 ]; then > echo ERROR: Please check that the path to your IMAP Mailbox > echo is: $PATH2MB > echo and that you have created a Mailbox called:$1 > echo > exit 0 > fi > # > cat $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox >> $PATH2MB/$1 > >=== > >Now someone simply edits the mailbox using their email client. This >doesn't take anyone technically minded... > >When they are done, we put back the archives: > #! /bin/bash > # > # Used to move an edited mbox from an imap folder > # and put it back into the Mailman archive from > # which it was grabbed. > # > # Assumptions: > # - mailman install is in /var/mailman, > # with archives being in /var/mailman/archives/private/.. > # - imap mailbox root is /home/user/mail/ > # and the imap header for the file is 13 lines long > # including the blank line at the end of the message. > # > # Input: a valid mailman list name (with archives) > # > PATH2ARC="/var/mailman/archives/private" > # > # Check that the list name is valid and the archives exist > if [ ! -f $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox ]; then > echo ERROR: $1 is not a valid mailman list with archives > echo (be sure to use all lower case) > echo " " > exit 0 > fi > # > PATH2MB="/home/user/mail" > # > # Check that mbox has been created... > if [ ! -f $PATH2MB/$1 ]; then > echo ERROR: could not find mailbox $1 in path: > echo $PATH2MB > echo Please check that root path to mailbox is correct. > echo " " > exit 0 > fi > # > # Number of lines in IMAP header > IHEAD=13 > # > mv $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox.bak > # > j=`cat $PATH2MB/$1 |wc -l` > k=$(( j - IHEAD )) > tail -$k $PATH2MB/$1 > $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox > chown mailman.mailman $PATH2ARC/$1.mbox/$1.mbox > # > # now lets remove the old archive files and regen > # the archives with the new mbox! > rm -rf $PATH2ARC/$1/* > /var/mailman/bin/arch $1 > >=== > >The scripts aren't tested, but should be good for a quick start! >Take care. Hope that helps someone. > >Jon Carnes > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/ > >This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc at nc.rr.com From dafydd2277 at mac.com Fri Aug 15 21:13:49 2003 From: dafydd2277 at mac.com (David Barr) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:13:49 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the moderation default. Message-ID: <9A042828-CF54-11D7-85AB-000A95774B28@mac.com> So, I've manage to get everything working, and I set up my first two or three lists. I set up the first one as moderated by default and then realized I didn't want to do that. I found the switch to unmoderate existing members, but I can't offhand find or determine if I can change the default behavior. Will I have to unmoderate new members for the life of this list, or can I hack the default behavior somehow? Thanks! David -- David - Offbeat http://www.dafydd.com dafydd - Online Fire2 - Burning Man ESD: Integrity*Commitment*Communication*Support Failure is not an option. It comes bundled with the software. --unknown From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Aug 16 07:45:10 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 05:45:10 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive dating problem - mailman 2.1.2, regenerating archives from mbox In-Reply-To: <1060878134.24199.16.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> References: <1060878134.24199.16.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> Message-ID: <1061012707.2600.46.camel@Anncons4> Hay Jeremy, I'll be happy to take a look at this, if you can put a copy of the mbox in my user directory. I can probably track this down pretty quick. Jon On Thu, 2003-08-14 at 12:22, Jeremy Portzer wrote: > Hello, > > I'm having trouble getting the archives to show the correct dates in > mailman version 2.1.2 (running on Red Hat Linux 7.3). > > I have some lists that I copied to my current server from a previous > mail host (which was running 2.0.x, but that should be irrelevant). I > copied the archives and concatonated the mbox files of the new and old > archives. I made sure to include a blank line between messages in the > mbox files, as suggested in the FAQ, and the mbox file appears correct > when viewed with mailx (the "mail" comamnd in Linux) and pine. > > However, when I regenerate the archives from the mbox file, by removing > the old archive directory and running mailman/bin/arch , many of the > messages are dated incorrectly. Some of the messages archive fine, but > others are given the _current_ date and time, instead of the date on the > message. This is very annoying as it means I have a huge number of > messages in August 2003 which do not belong there, and the original > date/time information is lost! When I look at the messages in question > in the mbox file, they appear to be properly formatted with correct > Date: and "From " headers. > > In previous versions of mailman, there was a configuration flag on > whether to follow the date/time of the message Date: header, or the one > from the mbox format "From " line. However, I can't seem to find this > option in mailman 2.1.2. Has it been removed, and if so, why? > > Thanks for any ideas! > > --Jeremy From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Aug 16 08:00:05 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:00:05 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Evolution, GPG, and mailman 2.1.2 - blank message bodies In-Reply-To: <1060880469.24199.47.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> References: <1060880469.24199.47.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> Message-ID: <1061013602.2600.56.camel@Anncons4> Jeremy there are a bunch of ways that we can handle this, but knowing "certain" people I'm sure the only acceptable solution is for us to modify the archived emails in the mbox, so that the past archives show up properly. Of course that would not deal with the on-going emails.... The settings to modify Pipermail behavior are all in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (look in Defaults.py for examples of items to change/set) There are a lot of options we can change there and then play with re-archiving. I've got a few test beds of 2.1 running on my home network so it's easy for me to do. Let me know if you want me to look at it. The best answer for Trilug is for someone to setup Mhonarc on the Mailman server and use that instead of Pipermail. I would volunteer to do that, but everytime I touch the servers Tanner and I come to blows, and I've had enough of him to last me the rest of my life. Jon On Thu, 2003-08-14 at 13:01, Jeremy Portzer wrote: > Hello. > > I feel like this must be an F.A.Q. but I could find no mention of it in > the searchable archives or the FAQ-O-Matic. > > Anyway, it seems that evolution has a bug in message display that > affects GPG-signed email sent to mailman 2.1.x lists (when the GPG > signature uses PGP/MIME). Mailman adds the list's signature as a MIME > attachment, and for some reason evolution shows ONLY the list signature, > and not the body of the message at all! > > This is apparently fixed in Evolution 1.4.3, but unfortunately a large > number of our users are using prior versions of evolution, like 1.2.2 > that's included in Red Hat Linux 9. I suspect this is true of many > users around the community. Though this is an evolution bug, most of > our users are seeing it as a "mailman problem," because suddenly they > cannot view their messages after we upgraded to mailman 2.1.x. > > Does anyone have any ideas or workarounds? Is there any way to make > mailman 2.1.2 go back to the old behavior that doesn't use MIME to add > the signature (or just skips it for MIME messages) ? > > Note: I've also heard that Outlook Express has a similar problem > reading GPG-signed emails with evolution's MIME-added signature, so this > isn't really uniquely an evolution problem. But Outlook Express handles > GPG pretty pitifully anyway, so I'm not worrying about that. > > Thanks for any advice, > > Jeremy From npuhlmann at westbay.net Sat Aug 16 10:17:26 2003 From: npuhlmann at westbay.net (Nils Puhlmann) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 01:17:26 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe options In-Reply-To: <20030815084029.3a2b84d1.raquel@thericehouse.net> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030814141925.0217b5c0@smtp.westbay.net> <5.2.1.1.2.20030814141925.0217b5c0@smtp.westbay.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030816011505.020fdd90@smtp.westbay.net> Raquel, Thanks for the response. You say that 2.1.2 provides what I am asking for but in the privacy options I only find the option for having a confirmation message sent for "subscribing" but not for "unsubscribing" members. Perhaps you can enlighten me where you find the option to verify that an unsubscribe request actually came from the member itself (confirmation)? thanks, Nils At 08:40 AM 8/15/2003 -0700, you wrote: >On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:21:25 -0700 >Nils Puhlmann wrote: > > > Hello, > > I just installed mailman and found out that there does not seem to > > be an option to have confirmed unsubscribes? > > It is a good idea to prevent others from unsubscribing members and > > the password is really inconvenient when people want to get off a > > list but do not remember their password. This leads to complaints > > which in turn can lead to a block by AOL for example. > > Is there anything planned like a confirmed unsubscribe option > > pretty much the same way the confirmed subscribe works? > > > > Nils > > > >Version 2.1.2 provides what you're asking. > >-- >Raquel >============================================================ >Once, power was considered a masculine attribute. In fact, power has >no sex. > --Katharine Graham > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: npuhlmann at westbay.net >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/npuhlmann%40westbay.net Nils Puhlmann - Certified Information Systems Security Professional (CISSP), Certified Novell Instructor (CNI), Microsoft Certified Trainer (MCT), Netscape/Iplanet Solution Expert, Cisco Certified Network Associate (CCNA), Check Point Certified Security Engineer (CCSE Firewall-1) - *************************************************************************** The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). This information may be subject to legal, professional or other privilege or may otherwise be protected by work product immunity or other legal rules. It must not be disclosed to any person without our authority. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are not authorized to and must not disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any part of it. From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sat Aug 16 12:08:51 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:08:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe options In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030816011505.020fdd90@smtp.westbay.net> Message-ID: On Saturday, August 16, 2003, at 09:17 am, Nils Puhlmann wrote: > Raquel, > Thanks for the response. You say that 2.1.2 provides what I am asking > for but in the privacy options I only find the option for having a > confirmation message sent for "subscribing" but not for > "unsubscribing" members. Perhaps you can enlighten me where you find > the option to verify that an unsubscribe request actually came from > the member itself (confirmation)? > > thanks, Nils > > At 08:40 AM 8/15/2003 -0700, you wrote: >> On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:21:25 -0700 >> Nils Puhlmann wrote: >> >> > Hello, >> > I just installed mailman and found out that there does not seem to >> > be an option to have confirmed unsubscribes? With MM 2.1.2 all unsubscribes not done by the list admin are confirmed, as follows: 1. email unsubscribe with password supplied: no further action required. 2. email unsubscribe without password supplied: confirmation email sent out requiring reply or web interface confirmation via emailed URL, UNLESS Privacy->"Is the list moderator's approval required for unsubscription requests?" option set for the list. In this latter case only list moderator approval is necessary. 3. web interface unsubscribe with password supplied: no further action required 4. web interface unsubscribe without password supplied: confirmation email sent out requiring reply or web interface confirmation via emailed URL, UNLESS Privacy->"Is the list moderator's approval required for unsubscription requests?" option set for the list. In this latter case only list moderator approval is necessary. What else in the way of confirmation of an unsubscribe are you looking for? >> > It is a good idea to prevent others from unsubscribing members and >> > the password is really inconvenient when people want to get off a >> > list but do not remember their password. To unsubscribe without a password, the user can just email to -unsubscribe and then respond to the confirmation message emailed back to them. No need to have or remember their password. People can always get a password reminder emailed to them via the link on the list's listinfo page or unsubscribe without a password via the link on the list's listinfo page. >> This leads to complaints >> > which in turn can lead to a block by AOL for example. >> > Is there anything planned like a confirmed unsubscribe option >> > pretty much the same way the confirmed subscribe works? >> > >> > Nils >> > >> >> Version 2.1.2 provides what you're asking. >> >> -- >> Raquel >> ============================================================ >> Once, power was considered a masculine attribute. In fact, power has >> no sex. >> --Katharine Graham >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> Searchable Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >> This message was sent to: npuhlmann at westbay.net >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ >> npuhlmann%40westbay.net > > Nils Puhlmann > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From sorgue at club-internet.fr Sat Aug 16 14:11:07 2003 From: sorgue at club-internet.fr (Matthieu HUTIN) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:11:07 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Suscribers number In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030814115544.028530d8@mail.thcwd.com> Message-ID: Thank you Paul, that is exactly the solution I was looking for. Fast and easy to use, perfect ! :-) Bye Le 14/08/03 19:04, ??Paul H Byerly?? a ?crit?: >> I'm looking for a way to put the subscribers number of my lists on a web >> page that is not generated by MailMan. Is it possible ? > > If you mean the number of subscribers, yes. Set up a cron job with > something like this for each list: > > /usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members listname | wc -l > / location>/www/html/mm/listnamecount > > You can then use a virtual include or other method of getting the > number in listnamecount onto a web page. > > While you are at it, you can also show pending members in a similar > way. The cron job looks something like: > > find /usr/local/mailman/data -name "listname" | wc -l > / location>/www/html/mm/listnamepending -- Matthieu HUTIN Ceux qui ne luttent pas contre le mal, finissent par le servir.... From artoshea at wagpublishing.com Sat Aug 16 17:30:14 2003 From: artoshea at wagpublishing.com (Art O'Shea) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 08:30:14 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 11, Issue 41 References: Message-ID: <003201c3640b$4a120a60$2cb2e40c@wagxl5yi5me007> Dear Mailman, You sent an attachment with the following letter, but it went into Oulook Express and it warns that opening the file may be dangerous and won't allow me to access it, I will try sending it back to Hotmail and see if it works, nope that didn't work either, could you send it to me again at artoshea at hotmail and before I open Outlook Express so that it sends and recieves I may be able to see the attachement. Thank you very much, Art O'Shea ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 9:19 PM Subject: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 11, Issue 41 > Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to > mailman-users at python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mailman-users-request at python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > mailman-users-owner at python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Today's Topics: > > 1. add_members from another script? (Bill Goffe) > 2. Changing the moderation default. (David Barr) > 3. RE: Managing archives (Victor Tsaran) > 4. Re: add_members from another script? (Richard Barrett) > 5. Re: RE: [Mailman-Users] Managing archives (jonc) > 6. Re: Changing the moderation default. (Raquel Rice) > 7. Changing the moderation default. (David Barr) > 8. Re: Changing the moderation default. (Raquel Rice) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From chen7 at cse.sc.edu Sat Aug 16 20:25:46 2003 From: chen7 at cse.sc.edu (Chuming Chen) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] send digest on demand Message-ID: <4961.129.252.26.207.1061058346.squirrel@mail.cse.sc.edu> Hi, all, We are using mailman to set up mailing lists. It works great. I have some questions about using mailman. Before I send a digest out, I would like to edit it. Where in the Unix world is it located? How can I have permission to read/write it? I would like to be able to send out a digest when I want. From the help manual, it appears that my choices are (1) daily and (2) when a size limit is reached. I would prefer weekly or on-demand. Thank you for your kind reply. -- Chuming Chen UNIX System Support Department of Computer Science and Engineering University of South Carolina Swearingen 1D49 Columbia, SC 20208 +1 803 576-6308 From npuhlmann at westbay.net Sun Aug 17 09:02:26 2003 From: npuhlmann at westbay.net (Nils Puhlmann) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 00:02:26 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe options In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030816011505.020fdd90@smtp.westbay.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030817000108.03257b88@smtp.westbay.net> Thank you so much, that was a very detailed explanation. Too bad that is not available in the documentation of mailman otherwise I would have never even asked ;-) thanks again! At 11:08 AM 8/16/2003 +0100, you wrote: >On Saturday, August 16, 2003, at 09:17 am, Nils Puhlmann wrote: > >>Raquel, >>Thanks for the response. You say that 2.1.2 provides what I am asking >>for but in the privacy options I only find the option for having a >>confirmation message sent for "subscribing" but not for >>"unsubscribing" members. Perhaps you can enlighten me where you find >>the option to verify that an unsubscribe request actually came from >>the member itself (confirmation)? >> >>thanks, Nils >> >>At 08:40 AM 8/15/2003 -0700, you wrote: >>>On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:21:25 -0700 >>>Nils Puhlmann wrote: >>> >>> > Hello, >>> > I just installed mailman and found out that there does not seem to >>> > be an option to have confirmed unsubscribes? > >With MM 2.1.2 all unsubscribes not done by the list admin are >confirmed, as follows: > >1. email unsubscribe with password supplied: no further action required. > >2. email unsubscribe without password supplied: confirmation email sent >out requiring reply or web interface confirmation via emailed URL, >UNLESS Privacy->"Is the list moderator's approval required for >unsubscription requests?" option set for the list. In this latter case >only list moderator approval is necessary. > >3. web interface unsubscribe with password supplied: no further action >required > >4. web interface unsubscribe without password supplied: confirmation >email sent out requiring reply or web interface confirmation via >emailed URL, UNLESS Privacy->"Is the list moderator's approval required >for unsubscription requests?" option set for the list. In this latter >case only list moderator approval is necessary. > >What else in the way of confirmation of an unsubscribe are you looking >for? > >>> > It is a good idea to prevent others from unsubscribing members and >>> > the password is really inconvenient when people want to get off a >>> > list but do not remember their password. > >To unsubscribe without a password, the user can just email to >-unsubscribe and then respond to the confirmation message >emailed back to them. No need to have or remember their password. > >People can always get a password reminder emailed to them via the link >on the list's listinfo page or unsubscribe without a password via the >link on the list's listinfo page. > >>>This leads to complaints >>> > which in turn can lead to a block by AOL for example. >>> > Is there anything planned like a confirmed unsubscribe option >>> > pretty much the same way the confirmed subscribe works? >>> > >>> > Nils >>> > >>> >>>Version 2.1.2 provides what you're asking. >>> >>>-- >>>Raquel >>>============================================================ >>>Once, power was considered a masculine attribute. In fact, power has >>>no sex. >>> --Katharine Graham >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------ >>>Mailman-Users mailing list >>>Mailman-Users at python.org >>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >>>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >>>Searchable Archives: >>>http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >>> >>>This message was sent to: npuhlmann at westbay.net >>>Unsubscribe or change your options at >>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ >>>npuhlmann%40westbay.net >> >>Nils Puhlmann >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk > Nils Puhlmann - Certified Information Systems Security Professional (CISSP), Certified Novell Instructor (CNI), Microsoft Certified Trainer (MCT), Netscape/Iplanet Solution Expert, Cisco Certified Network Associate (CCNA), Check Point Certified Security Engineer (CCSE Firewall-1) - *************************************************************************** The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). This information may be subject to legal, professional or other privilege or may otherwise be protected by work product immunity or other legal rules. It must not be disclosed to any person without our authority. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are not authorized to and must not disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any part of it. From marv at StartRun.com Sun Aug 17 13:10:35 2003 From: marv at StartRun.com (Marvin Raab) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 04:10:35 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] config questions from newbie Message-ID: <2971D6FBD2710F4895DCBFFFCFE8CF3101A563@bigtoy.startrun.internal> Hi all, I'm trying to install/troubleshoot Mailman 2.1 under Redhat 9.0. My MTA is Postfix and it works fine (along with SpamAssassin) I'm not sure exactly how many Mailman-related problems I have but... I can successfully goto the Admin page and subscribe a user. I subscribed myself. I didn't receive the welcome message and I can't figure out why. When I try to restart (or stop or start) MailMan using mailmanctl, I get the following: Traceback (most recent call last): File "./mailmanctl", line 524, in ? main() File "./mailmanctl", line 319, in main check_privs() File "./mailmanctl", line 274, in check_privs gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found My mm_cfg.py file: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mydomain.com' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = mydomain.com' PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s' >From the Admin page, all the options pages are able to be reached except for: GOTO LIST ARCHIVES. It attempts to reach http://porky.devel.redhat.com/mailman/private/ When I attempt to post a test message to the list, I do not receive it in my mailbox and I'm pretty sure it's not posted to the Archives I've successfully tested the listname alias by changing the listname to point to my mailbox and using postalias to regenerate the database. That worked fine. Any magical incantations to fix the problem(s) and get it working? What am I missing? Thanks! From william at collinsusa.net Sun Aug 17 14:49:32 2003 From: william at collinsusa.net (William Collins) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 07:49:32 -0500 (US Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [Mailman-Users] What version of Mailman works with python 1.x Message-ID: <3F3F79DC.000006.60589@oemcomputer> I have a website on a server running Redhat 7.3 with python 1.x. Could you please advise me of which version of Mailman will run on this server? Thanks Will Collins From ewilts at ewilts.org Sun Aug 17 15:22:01 2003 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 08:22:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] What version of Mailman works with python 1.x In-Reply-To: <3F3F79DC.000006.60589@oemcomputer>; from william@collinsusa.net on Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 07:49:32AM -0500 References: <3F3F79DC.000006.60589@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20030817082200.A1163@www.ewilts.org> On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 07:49:32AM -0500, William Collins wrote: > I have a website on a server running Redhat 7.3 with python 1.x. > Could you please advise me of which version of Mailman will run on this > server? 2.0.13 should work just fine. You also have the option of installing the python2 package to run alongside python 1.x. If you do that, you should be able to install and run MailMan 2.1.2. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sun Aug 17 17:01:54 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:01:54 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] config questions from newbie In-Reply-To: <2971D6FBD2710F4895DCBFFFCFE8CF3101A563@bigtoy.startrun.internal> Message-ID: There are a number of post referring to this problem in the searchable mailman-users archive, including this one: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg17717.html But it might be worth searching the archives yourself and checking for any other suggestions. On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 12:10 pm, Marvin Raab wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm trying to install/troubleshoot Mailman 2.1 under Redhat 9.0. > My MTA is Postfix and it works fine (along with SpamAssassin) > > I'm not sure exactly how many Mailman-related problems I have but... > > > I can successfully goto the Admin page and subscribe a user. I > subscribed myself. > I didn't receive the welcome message and I can't figure out why. > When I try to restart (or stop or start) MailMan using mailmanctl, I > get > the following: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "./mailmanctl", line 524, in ? > main() > File "./mailmanctl", line 319, in main > check_privs() > File "./mailmanctl", line 274, in check_privs > gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] > KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found > > > My mm_cfg.py file: > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mydomain.com' > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = mydomain.com' > PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s' > > > >> From the Admin page, all the options pages are able to be reached >> except > for: GOTO LIST ARCHIVES. It attempts to reach > http://porky.devel.redhat.com/mailman/private/ > > When I attempt to post a test message to the list, I do not receive it > in my mailbox and I'm pretty sure it's not posted to the Archives > I've successfully tested the listname alias by changing the listname to > point to my mailbox and using postalias to regenerate the database. > That > worked fine. > > > Any magical incantations to fix the problem(s) and get it working? What > am I missing? > > > Thanks! > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From emuaccount at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 21:17:14 2003 From: emuaccount at yahoo.com (Student) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:17:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Sendmail on different Linux boxes. Message-ID: <20030816191714.97528.qmail@web41711.mail.yahoo.com> Is it possible to run Apache and Mailman on one server but use our existing Mail server (Sendmail) which is on another Redhat box and require authentication for outgoing mail ? i don't want to install sendmail on the same box with Mailman if i can just set up mailman to go through our mail server. i'm new to Linux and especially to Mailman. Thanks in advance for replies. Regards --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software From william at collinsusa.net Sat Aug 16 22:14:05 2003 From: william at collinsusa.net (William Collins) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 15:14:05 -0500 (US Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [Mailman-Users] python 1.x and Mailman Message-ID: <3F3E908D.000009.58321@oemcomputer> I have a website on a server running Redhat 7.3 with python 1.x. Could you please advise me of which versioon of Mailman will run on this server? Thanks Will Collins From adkor at ife.org.mx Sun Aug 17 01:10:38 2003 From: adkor at ife.org.mx (Adrian Kornhauser) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 18:10:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Clear Instructions for Vistual Domains Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030816180733.020b6bb0@maxkor.com> Hi! PLEASE there in no clear documentation about how to set up a use mailman with virtual domains (having separate lists site for each virtual domain on the same host). If there is a HOWTO PLESE just point me there. PLEASE!!!!!!! Adri?n Kornhauser Instituto Federal Electoral - Asesor del Consejero Electoral Jes?s Cant? Tels: 56-28-43-63 y 56-55-68-80 Celular: 044-55-54-32-67-84 Bipper: 53-33-02-25 Clave:3254031 email principal: adkor at ife.org.mx email alternativo: adkor00 at yahoo.com From phil at nxtek.net Sun Aug 17 18:33:40 2003 From: phil at nxtek.net (Phil Iovino) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:33:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Clear Instructions for Vistual Domains In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030816180733.020b6bb0@maxkor.com> Message-ID: <014401c364dd$519fe810$a6f83544@cc109252A> I agree. If someone has a guide for this please point us in the right direction. > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+phil=nxtek.net at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+phil=nxtek.net at python.org] On > Behalf Of Adrian Kornhauser > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 6:11 PM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Clear Instructions for Vistual Domains > > > > Hi! > > PLEASE there in no clear documentation about how to set up a > use mailman > with virtual domains (having separate lists site for each > virtual domain on > the same host). If there is a HOWTO PLESE just point me there. > > PLEASE!!!!!!! From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sun Aug 17 19:14:05 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:14:05 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] python 1.x and Mailman In-Reply-To: <3F3E908D.000009.58321@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <34C46DCA-D0D6-11D7-93E0-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Saturday, August 16, 2003, at 09:14 pm, William Collins wrote: > I have a website on a server running Redhat 7.3 with python 1.x. > If you are running Python earlier than 1.5.2 then neither of the most recent stable versions of MM 2.0.x or MM 2.1.x will run. MM 2.0.13 INSTALL document says: 0. Installation requirements You must have the Python interpreter installed somewhere on your system. Currently Python 1.5.2 or later is required, but the latest stable releases of Python 2.1.3 and 2.2.1 are recommended. For information about obtaining Python source code, RPM packages, or pre-compiled binaries please see: http://www.python.org You must also have an ANSI C compiler in order to build the wrapper programs which are used for improved security. The GNU C compiler gcc 2.8.1 or later is known to work well. For more information about obtaining gcc, see http://www.gnu.org In practice, you could go for Py 2.2.3 for MM 2.0.13 but I have seen no reports of using Py 2.3 with it, which may not be OK. MM 2.1.2 INSTALL document says: 0. Installation requirements You must have a mail server (MTA) that you can send messages to, and a web server that supports the CGI/1.1 API. Apache makes a fine choice for web server, and MTAs such as Postfix, Exim, Sendmail, and qmail should work just fine. You will need an ANSI C compiler to build Mailman's security wrappers. The GNU C compiler gcc 2.8.1 or later is known to work well. For more information about obtaining gcc, see http://www.gnu.org You must have the Python interpreter installed somewhere on your system. Currently Python 2.1.3 or Python 2.2.1 is recommended. For information about obtaining Python source code, RPM packages, or pre-compiled binaries please see: http://www.python.org If you are building Python from source, you should be fine with the standard "./configure ; make install" for most Unix-like OSes. If you run "make test", you'll see a bunch of tests skipped -- don't worry, you probably won't need them. Mailman tries to stick to the basics that compile on most systems. If there is a README. file that describes your mail server (MTA), read it now. Some MTAs can be integrated more seamlessly with Mailman for support of some advanced features (like creation and removal of lists through-the-web). Examples are Exim and Postfix. Setup instructions for specific MTAs are contained in these README files. In practice, you should go for Py 2.2.3 for MM 2.1.1 or even Py 2.3, which some people have reprorted they are using OK. If you have to install Python, which is not that hard from source code, then use the latest Python and MM release, again from source. You can readily install the later Python (in /usr/local/python for instance) without affecting your existing Python 1.x installation on the machine, which, given you are using Redhat, you probably need to leave in place because of other dependencies. > Could you please advise me of which versioon of Mailman will run on > this > server? > > Thanks > Will Collins------------------------------------------------------ > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sun Aug 17 20:02:35 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:02:35 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Sendmail on different Linux boxes. In-Reply-To: <20030816191714.97528.qmail@web41711.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Saturday, August 16, 2003, at 08:17 pm, Student wrote: > Is it possible to run Apache and Mailman on one server but use our > existing Mail server (Sendmail) which is on another Redhat box and > require authentication for outgoing mail ? The installation notes say you must have some form of MTA running on the machine running Mailman to deliver incoming posts to Mailman's delivery script(s). Mailman is quite agnostic about what that transfer agent should be and any one of a number of MTAs can be used; see the READMEs in the source distribution. If your main mail server and the mailman server used NFS to give both access to the file space Mailman uses then it might be possible for your Mail server to inject messages directly into Mailman's queues but this is not a configuration I have (yet) attempted but another reader of the list may have done; if so, please step forward. It is simple configuration matter for Mailman to pass outgoing mail direct to an SMTP server on a machine other than the one it (Mailman) is running on. But what do you mean by 'require authentication for outgoing mail' in what you said above? As a sanity check, the main site I manage Mailman for does not expose the Mailman server to the internet. All incoming (and outgoing) mail goes through dedicated mail relay machines that do the site's virus and spam checking on incoming and outgoing mail. The Mailman server's local MTA just gets and passes 'clean' incoming posts to Mailman from the site's mail relays. > i don't want to install sendmail on the same box with Mailman if i can > just set up mailman to go through our mail server. i'm new to Linux > and especially to Mailman. Thanks in advance for replies. > > Regards > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From support at ezoshosting.com Sun Aug 17 21:26:52 2003 From: support at ezoshosting.com (Isaac Golding) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:26:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posting to list sends me the message and an error Message-ID: <001b01c364f5$943fa530$0100a8c0@dragoon1> When I post to my list under a test account that I subscribed to the list I get the message back from the list But I'm also getting the following.. You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at Mailman-owner at fthood.ezoshosting.com. The From address is also incorrect as its listing the hosting company's name and not my accounts name. Other lists I've just created under this domain name and others are all working fine but for some reason that I can't figure out this list refuses to work properly. Isaac Golding Support Manager EZOSHosting.com ________________________________________________________ People who feel good about themselves, produce good results. - Submitted by Dan Kelly and all his friends Illinois From support at ezoshosting.com Sun Aug 17 21:24:56 2003 From: support at ezoshosting.com (Isaac Golding) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:24:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posting to list sends me the message and an error Message-ID: <001a01c364f5$44b20b70$0100a8c0@dragoon1> When I post to my list under a test account that I subscribed to the list I get the message back from the list But I'm also getting the following.. You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at Mailman-owner at fthood.ezoshosting.com. The From address is also incorrect as its listing the hosting company's name and not my accounts name. Other lists I've just created under this domain name and others are all working fine but for some reason that I can't figure out this list refuses to work properly. Isaac Golding Support Manager EZOSHosting.com ________________________________________________________ People who feel good about themselves, produce good results. - Submitted by Dan Kelly and all his friends Illinois From paul at thcwd.com Mon Aug 18 04:32:12 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:32:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: send digest on demand In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030817212921.080f6d70@mail.thcwd.com> Chuming Chen wrote: >We are using mailman to set up mailing lists. It works great. I >have some questions about using mailman. > >Before I send a digest out, I would like to edit it. Where in the >Unix world is it located? How can I have permission to read/write >it? Either I'm stuck in another time loop (I hate it when that happens) or this is the third time this has been asked. Nagging is NOT an effective way to get an answer from people who are offering help on a volunteer basis. <>< Paul, off to check for croniton particles From abigail at webfavor.com Mon Aug 18 07:34:40 2003 From: abigail at webfavor.com (Abigail Marshall) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:34:40 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change web_page_url Message-ID: <1998774155.20030817223440@webfavor.com> How do you change the web_page_url value for a list? (Mailman 2.1.2.) -Abigail From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon Aug 18 08:25:00 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:25:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change web_page_url In-Reply-To: <1998774155.20030817223440@webfavor.com> Message-ID: On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 06:34 am, Abigail Marshall wrote: > How do you change the web_page_url value for a list? > (Mailman 2.1.2.) > Use $prefix/bin/fix_url.py but ensure that your virtual hosts etc are set up correctly. For a full explanation see: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp > -Abigail > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From simon at meru.org.uk Mon Aug 18 18:52:12 2003 From: simon at meru.org.uk (Simon Judge) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:52:12 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newsletter Acknowledgement message customisation Message-ID: I've tried to follow http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp and can't get the welcome message to customise... any ideas? (MM version 2.0.13) Also, how do you change the acknowledgement e-mail's title? Thanks. Simon ----- From mensahk at ghana.com Mon Aug 18 19:14:39 2003 From: mensahk at ghana.com (Mensah K. Agbessitse) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:14:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions & Comments Administrative Email Address References: Message-ID: <030601c365ac$3eba8fa0$0e4003c4@ghana.com> Dear All, Let say I have a domain name called dom1.com. Accessing the Admin Links page gives me the same interface but with different email address. e.g.: 1- www.dom1.com/mailman/admin gives me (send questions and comments to mailman at www.dom1.com) 2- list.dom1.com/mailman/admin gives me (send questions and comments to mailman at list.dom1.com) where list is the name of the server. 3- dom1.com/mailman/admin gives me (send questions and comments to mailman at dom1.com) which is the correct thing I would like to have. What do I have to do to get the #3 whick is the correct one even if people should use www.dom1.com, they should get (send questions and comments to mailman at dom1.com)? Please kindly help. Bruno. From embrey at hood.edu Mon Aug 18 20:26:08 2003 From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:26:08 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using approved headers and redirection Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030818141444.02e9ada8@hermes.hood.edu> List: I am using Mailman 2.1.1 on RedHat 8.0. I want to use the Approved: header and am having trouble getting it to work. I tried replying to the message with Approved: list password but it generates another bounce processing message. If I do this what will keep the rest of the list from learning my list password? Also can I use the redirect to send it to another address? Sometimes we have people send to the master list when it should go to a sublist. Can I use redirect in my email client to send to the other list? Thanks, Bruce Bruce Edward Embrey : Linux Systems Manager Campus Email Admin : UNIX / Linux Administrator Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927 From rwalker at fenton.com Mon Aug 18 19:49:27 2003 From: rwalker at fenton.com (Ryan Walker) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:49:27 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with MailMan interface/templates Message-ID: Hi, I have some bugs to report -- not really bugs, exactly, but problems with the Mailman interface (especially the web/email interface as it pertains to list subscribers) and the inflexibility of some of the templates. Basically, in the version of Mailman I'm using, the program interface does not support some important features of the software -- that is, there are contradictions between the interface and some of the admin features that seem impossible to resolve. It might be possible for a single-license user to modify the templates referenced below so that they support that user's preferred admin options, but for a service provider using one template for many admins/customers, there are some significant problems. I'm wondering if you've fixed any of these problems in a version of MailMan more recent than the one used by my service provider. Here are three reports I sent today to my current list hosting service: 1) Is it possible to edit the welcome message that is sent to new subscribers? I see that I can pre-pend a message to the standard welcome text, but I'd like to compose the entire welcome message. The reason I want to do this is that much of the information included in the welcome message does not apply to my list. For example, the welcome message provides instructions on posting to the list, but my list is announce-only. I don't want to confuse my new subscribers and make them think they've signed up for a list that they can post to. I can always disable the welcome message, if need be, but I'd rather provide a welcome message to give new subscribers confirmation that everything was processed successfully. 2) Speaking of bad planning, when a subscriber confirms their subscription through the web interface (rather than by replying to the confirmation email) they end up on a page that asks them to click a "subscribe" button. When they click that button, they're taken to a page that says this... Subscription request confirmed You have successfully confirmed your subscription request for "blahblah at domain.com" to the Emsupdates mailing list. A separate confirmation message will be sent to your email address, along with your password, and other useful information and links. ...unfortunately, the "separate confirmation message" is actually the welcome message, and that message will be disabled by some admins (such as myself) because it contains info that isn't relevant to my list. So basically, users are being told by this template page that they should expect a second confirmation message when none may be forthcoming. Maybe it would be possible, in this case, for you to remove the second sentence from this particular template, the sentence that says "A separate confirmation message will be sent to your email address, along with your password, and other useful information and links." The welcome message is explicit enough, all by itself. I don't think it would confuse subscribers to receive the welcome message (for lists that use the welcome message) without first reading that second sentence on the "Subscription request confirmed" page. 3) After experimenting with the Mailman admin options a bit more, I've decided I'll need to isolate my subscribers from the web interface entirely by switching to moderator approval of new subscriptions and entering new subscriptions manually. I can't use the "confirm" option under "privacy options" because it generates a second email to subscribers once they "confirm" and there's no option in Mailman for disabling that second confirmation message. That second confirmation message won't make sense for my users for reasons not worth describing here. In other words, no need to consider modifying that template I mentioned in my other email, because my users won't see the web interace at any point. Thanks very much, Ryan ---------------- Ryan Walker Website Editor Environmental Media Services http://www.ems.org ph: 202-463-6670 -----Original Message----- From: pairList Support [mailto:pairlist at pair.com] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 2:12 PM To: ryan at ems.org Subject: Re: [K3M9O2K] Your new mailing list: emsupdates Hello Ryan, Unfortunately, I can't really say when the beta-testing will be over, what the pricing scheme will be, or when the current issues will be fixed. Our site does mention that pairList is still in testing at http://www.pair.com/pair/pairlist/. If you're not satisfied with the current mailing list solution you can still cancel your account and get a full refund under the the 30-day money back guarantee. http://www.pair.com/pair/moneybackguarantee.html Regards, Sean --------------------------------------------------------------------------- pair Networks, Inc. pairlist at pair.com ---------------- Ryan Walker Website Editor Environmental Media Services http://www.ems.org ph: 202-463-6670 From jdecarlo at mitre.org Mon Aug 18 21:18:43 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:18:43 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using approved headers and redirection In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030818141444.02e9ada8@hermes.hood.edu> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030818141444.02e9ada8@hermes.hood.edu> Message-ID: <3F412693.9090405@mitre.org> Bruce, Bruce Embrey wrote: > I want to use the Approved: header and am having trouble getting it to > work. I tried replying to the message with Approved: list password but > it generates another bounce processing message. If I do this what will > keep the rest of the list from learning my list password? Can you be more specific about what happens? In other words, Mailman sends the moderators a message with two attachments. The first attachment is the original message. The second attachment is the email message that you need to reply to for approval or discarding. So, are you replying to the message from listname-owner (moderation request) or from listname-request (subject is confirm ...)? Are you making sure that the very first line of the body is Approved:? Very few email clients let you insert a new header line. Some will put a blank line between the header information and the body, which will make it impossible for you to approve the message with that email client. > Also can I use the redirect to send it to another address? Sometimes we > have people send to the master list when it should go to a sublist. Can > I use redirect in my email client to send to the other list? I don't know what email client you are using or what the redirect option on it does. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From embrey at hood.edu Mon Aug 18 21:37:18 2003 From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:37:18 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using approved headers and redirection In-Reply-To: <3F412693.9090405@mitre.org> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030818141444.02e9ada8@hermes.hood.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20030818141444.02e9ada8@hermes.hood.edu> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030818152530.0233e390@hermes.hood.edu> John, After I reply by placing Approved:password on the first line of the reply, it sends me another bounce message which contains the original, 1st bounce message, and the 2nd bounced message. There are no attachments but they are contained within the body of the message. My address is the listowner and moderator and is listed as embrey at hood.edu. Here is the bounce message: The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted from it. This mailing list has been configured to send all unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s). When I reply it is sent to mailman-bounces, and it generates another bounce message. I am using Eudora which has a redirect option. The from field looks loike this on a redirection: From: mailman-bounces at helios.hood.edu (by way of Bruce Embrey ) I can save the message and send it if needed. Bruce Embrey At 03:18 PM 8/18/2003, you wrote: >Bruce, > >Bruce Embrey wrote: > >>I want to use the Approved: header and am having trouble getting it to >>work. I tried replying to the message with Approved: list password but it >>generates another bounce processing message. If I do this what will keep >>the rest of the list from learning my list password? > >Can you be more specific about what happens? > >In other words, Mailman sends the moderators a message with two >attachments. The first attachment is the original message. The second >attachment is the email message that you need to reply to for approval or >discarding. > >So, are you replying to the message from listname-owner (moderation >request) or from listname-request (subject is confirm ...)? > >Are you making sure that the very first line of the body is Approved:? >Very few email clients let you insert a new header line. Some will put a >blank line between the header information and the body, which will make it >impossible for you to approve the message with that email client. > >>Also can I use the redirect to send it to another address? Sometimes we >>have people send to the master list when it should go to a sublist. Can I >>use redirect in my email client to send to the other list? > >I don't know what email client you are using or what the redirect option >on it does. > > >-- > >John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own > > > Bruce Edward Embrey : Linux Systems Manager Campus Email Admin : UNIX / Linux Administrator Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927 From jdecarlo at mitre.org Mon Aug 18 21:42:00 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:42:00 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using approved headers and redirection In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030818152530.0233e390@hermes.hood.edu> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030818141444.02e9ada8@hermes.hood.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20030818141444.02e9ada8@hermes.hood.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20030818152530.0233e390@hermes.hood.edu> Message-ID: <3F412C08.1090900@mitre.org> Bruce, Let's start with whether you are replying correctly. When you reply to the moderation message, what ends up on your To: line? If you are sending to the wrong address, clearly the wrong thing will happen. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From embrey at hood.edu Mon Aug 18 21:48:22 2003 From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:48:22 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using approved headers and redirection In-Reply-To: <3F412C08.1090900@mitre.org> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030818152530.0233e390@hermes.hood.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20030818141444.02e9ada8@hermes.hood.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20030818141444.02e9ada8@hermes.hood.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20030818152530.0233e390@hermes.hood.edu> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030818154713.02e927c0@hermes.hood.edu> John, When I reply, mailman-bounces at helios.hood.edu is what is on the To: line. Bruce At 03:42 PM 8/18/2003, you wrote: >Bruce, > >Let's start with whether you are replying correctly. > >When you reply to the moderation message, what ends up on your To: line? >If you are sending to the wrong address, clearly the wrong thing will happen. > >-- > >John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: embrey at hood.edu >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/embrey%40hood.edu Bruce Edward Embrey : Linux Systems Manager Campus Email Admin : UNIX / Linux Administrator Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927 From john-mason.shackelford at pearson.com Mon Aug 18 21:49:51 2003 From: john-mason.shackelford at pearson.com (Shackelford, John-Mason) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:49:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] install docs w/ mandrake RPM Message-ID: <6F3CF8F7047E374CAF4DCED3ED14576E0199E6DB@iowacexch4.ic.ncs.com> I am having trouble finding any canonical installation notes on the net. I've installed mailman-2.0.13-3mdk.i586.rpm but am having trouble figuring out what comes next. Judging from the change history, this RPM appears to do quite a bit as part of its installation. Could someone point me toward some relevant docs? John-Mason Shackelford Software Developer Pearson Educational Measurement - eMeasurement Group 2510 North Dodge St. Iowa City, IA 52245 ph. 319-354-9200x6214 john-mason.shackelford at pearson.com http://etest.ncspearson.com **************************************************************************** This email may contain confidential material. If you were not an intended recipient, Please notify the sender and delete all copies. We may monitor email to and from our network. **************************************************************************** From jdecarlo at mitre.org Mon Aug 18 22:05:53 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:05:53 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using approved headers and redirection In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030818154713.02e927c0@hermes.hood.edu> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030818152530.0233e390@hermes.hood.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20030818141444.02e9ada8@hermes.hood.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20030818141444.02e9ada8@hermes.hood.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20030818152530.0233e390@hermes.hood.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20030818154713.02e927c0@hermes.hood.edu> Message-ID: <3F4131A1.8020207@mitre.org> Bruce, You need to reply to the email from "mailman-request at helios.hood.edu" to Approve a message held for moderation. If you can't reply to an attachment (many email clients can't), you will have to create a message to "mailman-request at helios.hood.edu" and copy the Subject: of the second attached message (starts with "confirm" and ends with a long string of alphanumerics). This long string is how Mailman knows which message you are approving or discarding. Then, if you get the right To: and Subject:, having the first line of Approve: list password should work. Bruce Embrey wrote: > John, > > When I reply, mailman-bounces at helios.hood.edu is what is on the To: line. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From simon.jackson at corpita.net Tue Aug 19 01:59:55 2003 From: simon.jackson at corpita.net (Simon L. Jackson) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:59:55 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Loop with spoof Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20030819094917.00a9e1b0@wheresmymailserver.com> Dear Mailmaners, I recently found a loop when (I think) someone sent an email with a spoofed from/reply-to address. This appeared to be achieved by sending email to somelist at somedomain from somelist-bounces at somedomain. We are using Postfix, and have the following Mailman aliases and virtual addresses set up: Aliases: somelist-bounces: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces somelist" Virtual: somelist-bounces at somedomain somelist-bounces In the end I turned off 'Send mail to poster when their posting is held for approval' and deleted the offending files from the /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/out directory. My questions are: 1. Is this loop an error in my configuration or a bug or oversight in mailman? 2. Is there a way of getting a list of messages in transit and if necessary deleting them. This mail had not yet arrived at the pending requests stage. Cheers Simon L. Jackson Corpita Pty Ltd Level 1 112 Sackville St Collingwood VIC 3066 Australia phone: +61 3 9411 4470 direct: +61 3 9411 4419 fax: +61 3 9411 4499 email: simon.jackson at corpita.net From barry at python.org Tue Aug 19 03:06:13 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:06:13 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <2186.129.252.138.223.1060872353.squirrel@mail.cse.sc.edu> References: <2186.129.252.138.223.1060872353.squirrel@mail.cse.sc.edu> Message-ID: <1061255135.30737.18.camel@anthem> On Thu, 2003-08-14 at 10:45, Chuming Chen wrote: > Before I send a digest out, I would like to edit it. Where in the > Unix world is it located? How can I have permission to read/write > it? It lives in lists//digest.mbox > I would like to be able to send out a digest when I want. From > the help manual, it appears that my choices are (1) daily and (2) > when a size limit is reached. I would prefer weekly or on-demand. In Mailman 2.1, there's an "immediate action setting" under Digest options called _send_digest_now. Click Yes and then submit to send the current digest (if there is one) immediately. -Barry From embrey at hermes.hood.edu Tue Aug 19 07:07:23 2003 From: embrey at hermes.hood.edu (Bruce Embrey) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:07:23 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing the destination of a bounce mesage Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030819010340.026fda78@hermes.hood.edu> List I have Mailman 2.1.1 on RedHat 8 and the lists are all moderated. I have our main list which is a combination of 6 smaller lists. Sometimes the messages sent to the larger list are really intended for one of the smaller lists. When the message bounce is sent to the moderator, is it possibble to change which list that message is delivered to? Bruce Embrey Hood College From openinfo at openinfo.co.uk Mon Aug 18 22:25:48 2003 From: openinfo at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:25:48 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] install docs w/ mandrake RPM In-Reply-To: <6F3CF8F7047E374CAF4DCED3ED14576E0199E6DB@iowacexch4.ic.ncs.com> Message-ID: <270E6B96-D1BA-11D7-BACF-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 08:49 pm, Shackelford, John-Mason wrote: > > I am having trouble finding any canonical installation notes on the > net. > I've installed mailman-2.0.13-3mdk.i586.rpm but am having trouble > figuring > out what comes next. Judging from the change history, this RPM appears > to do > quite a bit as part of its installation. Could someone point me toward > some > relevant docs? > It may be worth downloading and unpacking the MM 2.0.13 source distribution and reading the INSTALL and README files and such in the resulting directory. You do not have to install from source but it might be worth seeing what the RPM packager should have been trying to achieve. > > John-Mason Shackelford > > Software Developer > Pearson Educational Measurement - eMeasurement Group > > 2510 North Dodge St. > Iowa City, IA 52245 > ph. 319-354-9200x6214 > john-mason.shackelford at pearson.com > http://etest.ncspearson.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From simon.jackson at corpita.net Tue Aug 19 10:07:39 2003 From: simon.jackson at corpita.net (Simon L. Jackson) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:07:39 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Loop with spoof Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20030819180635.026f5d00@wheresmymailserver.com> Dear Mailmaners, I recently found a loop when (I think) someone sent an email with a spoofed from/reply-to address. This appeared to be achieved by sending email to somelist at somedomain from somelist-bounces at somedomain. We are using Postfix, and have the following Mailman aliases and virtual addresses set up: Aliases: somelist-bounces: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces somelist" Virtual: somelist-bounces at somedomain somelist-bounces In the end I turned off 'Send mail to poster when their posting is held for approval' and deleted the offending files from the /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/out directory. My questions are: 1. Is this loop an error in my configuration or a bug or oversight in mailman? 2. Is there a way of getting a list of messages in transit and if necessary deleting them. This mail had not yet arrived at the pending requests stage. Cheers Simon L. Jackson Corpita Pty Ltd Level 1 112 Sackville St Collingwood VIC 3066 Australia phone: +61 3 9411 4470 direct: +61 3 9411 4419 fax: +61 3 9411 4499 email: simon.jackson at corpita.net From guallar at easternrad.com Tue Aug 19 16:47:51 2003 From: guallar at easternrad.com (Josep L. Guallar-Esteve) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:47:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] install docs w/ mandrake RPM In-Reply-To: <270E6B96-D1BA-11D7-BACF-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> References: <270E6B96-D1BA-11D7-BACF-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <200308190901.12929.jlguallar@computer.org> On Monday 18 August 2003 04:25 pm, Richard Barrett wrote: > It may be worth downloading and unpacking the MM 2.0.13 source > distribution and reading the INSTALL and README files and such in the > resulting directory. You do not have to install from source but it > might be worth seeing what the RPM packager should have been trying to > achieve. And you can create a RPM from a source-code (tar.gz / tar.bz2...) with the tool "chackinstall", available on Mandrake (and others). ./configure --with --options make su checkinstall (answer checkinstall questions) Regards, Josep -- Josep L. Guallar-Esteve Eastern Radiologists, Inc. Systems and Network Administration http://www.easternrad.com From stefan.balu at acer.ro Tue Aug 19 16:58:32 2003 From: stefan.balu at acer.ro (Balu Stefan) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:58:32 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman sleeps Message-ID: <200308191758.32541.stefan.balu@acer.ro> I have a Mandrake Linux with mailman installed... A fiew weeks ago, my mailman simply wouldn't log me in via it's web interface...after killing python and rebooting it came back... Now, it does the same thing...I cannot login to my http://IP/mailman/admin/list ...I enter the admin passwd and it sleeps... after a while it says connection timeout...what's wrong with it? -- Stefan, a simple Gentoo user. Linux registered user: #272012 [Linux is Friendly. It's just selective about who his friends are.] From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Tue Aug 19 17:06:01 2003 From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:06:01 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two mailservers on the same machine? Message-ID: <1061305422.1593.68.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> Is it possible to run more than one copy of postfix on the same machine? I run mailman, and whenever there is a post to the machine, for a while people sending mail inside my subnet, can't connect to it, because all the processes are taken up. Adding more won't help because mailman will just use them up. Any ideas people? -- ***** Not everyone is touched by an Angel.... .... Those that are, never forget the experience ***** From vtsaran at icevi.org Tue Aug 19 17:08:05 2003 From: vtsaran at icevi.org (Victor Tsaran) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:08:05 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I extract the list of members from any of my mailing lists using web interface? Message-ID: <001201c36663$b16f4240$5f09a8c0@ppc.com> Hello, listers! Can I extract the list of members for any of my lists via Web admin interface? Regards, Vic From esj at harvee.org Tue Aug 19 17:30:00 2003 From: esj at harvee.org (Eric S. Johansson) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:30:00 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] disguising e-mail addresses in archive Message-ID: <3F424278.6040702@harvee.org> I started getting requests from users that want their addresses in the bodies of messages and headers disguised in mailman/pipermail archives. has anyone come up with a patch for this yet? ---eric From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Aug 19 20:10:59 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:10:59 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] disguising e-mail addresses in archive In-Reply-To: <3F424278.6040702@harvee.org> References: <3F424278.6040702@harvee.org> Message-ID: <1061316648.2600.24.camel@Anncons4> There are a couple, but none of them work great. I have used a small 4 line script to hide the addresses in some archives. IMO, the best method is to allow concerned users to sign up on a private list to have their email addresses expunged from the archives (and provide the alternative they want). Then you simply grep through the archives directory for their exact email address and replace that with the alternative. The "sed" command will do the job nicely On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 11:30, Eric S. Johansson wrote: > I started getting requests from users that want their addresses in the bodies of > messages and headers disguised in mailman/pipermail archives. has anyone come > up with a patch for this yet? > > ---eric From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Aug 19 20:32:17 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:32:17 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two mailservers on the same machine? In-Reply-To: <1061305422.1593.68.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> References: <1061305422.1593.68.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> Message-ID: <1061316050.2600.12.camel@Anncons4> On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 11:03, Angel Gabriel wrote: > Is it possible to run more than one copy of postfix on the same machine? > I run mailman, and whenever there is a post to the machine, for a while > people sending mail inside my subnet, can't connect to it, because all > the processes are taken up. Adding more won't help because mailman will > just use them up. Any ideas people? Yes, you can run multiple Postfix instances on one server (with different chroots). I think you'll be happier though if you move Mailman off to a separate server and run it from there. For bigger corporations I like to run three mailservers: external mail server - spam filtering and initial virus scanning, internal mail server - users, distributions, imap, pop, etc Mailman/mail server - (either internal or external) for dynamic lists and archiving Good Luck! Jon Carnes From omikhail at cleopatra.bus.ucf.edu Tue Aug 19 21:05:06 2003 From: omikhail at cleopatra.bus.ucf.edu (O Mikhail) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:05:06 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading Message-ID: <3F4274E2.4060909@cleopatra.bus.ucf.edu> hi, I am admin using mailman 2.0.13 how can i upgrade to mailman 2.1.* I tried using the command update in the /bin/ but nothing happens. help. Thanks, O. Mikhail From paul at thcwd.com Tue Aug 19 19:09:40 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:09:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Line wrap in archives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030819120424.0816b510@mail.thcwd.com> Hi all, I have found references () to a patch that change the 
 to a 
 in the archives.  But after almost an 
hour of searching I can't find the patch.

      I have been able to get rid of the long lines by putting the message 
into a form textarea, and it looks great - except for the 
 and 
 
tags.

      Any help appreciated.

<>< Paul




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 22:27:25 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:27:25 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I extract the list of members from any of
	my mailing lists using web interface?
In-Reply-To: <001201c36663$b16f4240$5f09a8c0@ppc.com>
References: <001201c36663$b16f4240$5f09a8c0@ppc.com>
Message-ID: <1061316170.2600.15.camel@Anncons4>

On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 11:08, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> Hello, listers!
> Can I extract the list of members for any of my lists via Web admin
> interface?
> Regards,
> Vic

Yes, from the membership management pages (via cut/paste). Most admins
use the who command sent via email (or use the command line tools).




From mail at schoeppi.net  Tue Aug 19 19:41:31 2003
From: mail at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:41:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] editing the mailman.po file
Message-ID: <20030819174131.GA5610@toshiba>

Hi!

I'd like to change some of the content in the

$PREFIX/messages/de/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po

file. What do I have to do, to get mailman with the changes working? A 
reinstallation with a changed maiman.po file showed no changes :-(. Do I 
really need to reinstall mailman after editing the .po file?

Thanks and best regards,
Schoeppi

-- 
Christian Schoepplein | Beste Rockband der Welt: http://www.lily-rockt.de
mail at schoeppi.net     | Linux fuer Blinde: http://www.blinux.suse.de



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 00:19:10 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:19:10 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading
In-Reply-To: <3F4274E2.4060909@cleopatra.bus.ucf.edu>
References: <3F4274E2.4060909@cleopatra.bus.ucf.edu>
Message-ID: <1061320144.2600.48.camel@Anncons4>

On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 15:05, O Mikhail wrote:
> hi,
> I am admin using mailman 2.0.13
> how can i upgrade to mailman 2.1.*
> 
> I tried using the command update in the /bin/ but nothing happens.
> help.
> 
> Thanks,
> O. Mikhail
> 
The upgrade command lets you upgrade earlier lists to your current
version.

You need to backup your current install of Mailman 2.0.13 then install
the latest version of 2.1. If you install over your current install (as
opposed to installing in some other root location), your lists will be
upgraded automagically, and some of the default settings will not be
especially to your liking.  
PLEASE READ THE UPGRADE DOCUMENT THROUGHLY!

Most folks do not read the upgrade document that comes with 2.1 and
consequently have many problems - all of which are avoided by reading
the upgrade doc.

You will need flush your queues before upgrading.  Also, you will need
to kill the cron commands so that qrunner is stopped from launching
every minute.

After the upgrade, you will need to make sure that you are using the new
crontab settings for mailman (which no longer have a qrunner being
kicked off via cron). You should edit the mm_cfg.py file after reviewing
the Defaults.py file, and setup your new defaults. There are some very
different things in 2.1 so this is a very important step!

Next create a group called "mailman" which you should subscribe to
(become a list member, and restrict membership to this list), as all the
errors, warnings, and bounces go here. Then you will have to start the
Mailman service (mailmanctl). If you haven't created the "mailman" list,
mailmanctl will NOT start.

If you did a parallel install, you can now simply copy the old lists
subdirectories over to the new ~mailman/lists/ directory (and don't
forget about the archives!).  On the fist access of each list, Mailman
will automagically upgrade them.

That covers the highlights. If you do the upgrade by the numbers, then
all will go well and you will be done very fast!

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From GABRIEL364 at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 21:26:44 2003
From: GABRIEL364 at aol.com (GABRIEL364 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:26:44 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem leaving page
Message-ID: <49.32570806.2c73d3f4@aol.com>

I cannot seem to find a way to exit once I am done doing administrative work 
on our page.  Is there someplace that I should be clicking on?

Thanks,

sandra bennett


From jens at freebsdforum.de  Tue Aug 19 23:35:06 2003
From: jens at freebsdforum.de (Jens Gutzeit)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:35:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] editing the mailman.po file
In-Reply-To: <20030819174131.GA5610@toshiba>
References: <20030819174131.GA5610@toshiba>
Message-ID: <200308192335.06029.jens@freebsdforum.de>

On Tuesday 19 August 2003 19:41, Christian Schoepplein wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I'd like to change some of the content in the
>
> $PREFIX/messages/de/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po
>
> file. What do I have to do, to get mailman with the changes working? A
> reinstallation with a changed maiman.po file showed no changes :-(. Do I
> really need to reinstall mailman after editing the .po file?

No, you need to compile the .po file in a binary message catalog (.mo file) 
with msgfmt.

You should edit your po file, then read "man msgfmt" and copy your created .mo 
file in place of the existing one in messages/de/LC_MESSAGES/

>
> Thanks and best regards,
> Schoeppi

Jens




From dodgenaziri at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 20 06:41:35 2003
From: dodgenaziri at sympatico.ca (Dodgen Aziri)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:41:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature Available?
Message-ID: <011001c366d5$56f57560$05d9fea9@AZIRI>

Hi,

I wanted to know if there is a feature that will allow list admins to e-mail the mailing list's owner addy and add users in that fashion.

example:

TO: testlist-owner at yohonos.com
FROM: testlistadmin at yoho.com
SUBJECT: ADD : newuser at glob.com
BODY: test_list_password


Is there a feature similar to that?

_________________
- Dodgen Aziri
- Chief of Website Operations
- Office of Website Operations
- http://www.yukonsector.com

From cwieland at uci.edu  Wed Aug 20 21:59:16 2003
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:59:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] compiling error
Message-ID: 

Hello

I'm installing this on a Solaris9 box and have tried multiple versions 
and and sources of pyhton and I still get this:

Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "bin/update", line 47, in ?
     from Mailman import Utils
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 35, in ?
     import cgi
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/cgi.py", line 39, in ?
     import urllib
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ?
     import socket
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ?
     from _socket import *
ImportError: No module named _socket
make: *** [update] Error 1


any help would be appreciated.

Con Wieland
UC Irvine




From fabiorossi60 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 20 12:12:35 2003
From: fabiorossi60 at hotmail.com (Fabio Rossi)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:12:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What is the SETTING to insert HTML code in Footer
	and Header ?
Message-ID: 

Help me please. In MailMan mailing list... 
What is the setting to put HTML code in footer and header of the mailman list ??? I use MailMan Mailing List of CPanel and HTML CODE IS NOT RECOGNIZED. I read all in pure text.
If i insert HTML code such as footer or header it result in a error. 
I read all messages in pure text. 
Not "GoodBye GoodBye GoodBye" but "

GoodBye GoodBye GoodBye GoodBye
 ".

WHAT IS THE SETTING TO READ HTML CODE IN THE MAILING LIST MESSAGES (TO INSERT HEADER AND FOOTER IN HTML CODE) ????

Setting.
-----
General Options
-----
An introductory description - a few paragraphs - about the list. It will be included, as html, at the top of the listinfo page. Carriage returns will end a paragraph - see the details for more info. 
(Details for info) : 




GoodBye GoodBye GoodBye 




OTHER SETTING IN GENERAL OPTION ???

-----------

----
Non-digest options
----
Header added to mail sent to regular list members 
(Details for msg_header)

%(info)s
%(description)s

IS THIS AN ERROR ?

-----------

----
Content filtering
----

Should Mailman filter the content of list traffic according to the settings below? 
(Edit filter_content)
NO 
CORRECT ???

Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type. Leave this field blank to skip this filter test. 
(Details for pass_mime_types)

multipart/mixed
multipart/alternative
text/plain
text/html

CORRECT ???

Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? This conversion happens after MIME attachments have been stripped. 
(Edit convert_html_to_plaintext)

NO

Action to take when a message matches the content filtering rules. 
(Details for filter_action)

Preserve

From fabiorossi60 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 20 10:24:10 2003
From: fabiorossi60 at hotmail.com (Fabio Rossi)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:24:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML code is not recognized ?
Message-ID: 

Pardon my English. I' m Italian. I need to use some mailing list in my site. I need to insert in the messages  sended  by the mailing list to the users some element in HTML (banner or link for example) such as msg_header or msg_footer . I have found in CPanel the mailing list MailMan and i have tried to use it. All is O.K.  but i do not succed to send messages  with HTML in the header or in the footer.  Yesterday for a moment I succeed to send messages with a footer or a header in HTML but  only for some moment. Then all messages in HTML are send in TEXT PURE.  Header and footer of the mailing list MailMan are always in TEXT Pure and Not in HTML. HTML code is not recognized ? Can I insert a link or a banner such as header or footer  in the messages sended of the mailing list ? 

In the CPanel  the voice "info" indicates the large description of my site and is in HTML but it result always in TEXT PURE in the messages sended. In my site i see the messages in HTML here :  http://edecameron.com/mailman/listinfo/prova_edecameron.com  But all messages are in TEXT PURE. 
Example. If the description of my site is in HTML :




GoodBye GoodBye GoodBye 




In Non-digest options at the voice "Header added to mail sent to regular list members 
(Details for msg_header" i write : 

%(info)s
%(description)s

The written dispayed in the site info is "GoodBye GoodBye GoodBye"  ( http://edecameron.com/mailman/listinfo/prova_edecameron.com ) but all messages sended to the user are in TEXT pure :  " 
GoodBye GoodBye GoodBye 
 " . Messages sended do not translate and not recognized the HTML code ! I do not understand. Many Mailman webmaster includes in the messages header and footer in HTML and all is O.K. Why in my site all is not possible and  HTML code is not recognized ? Can I insert a link or a banner such as header or footer  in the messages sended of the mailing list ? 

I make this setting at Menu "Content Filtering" :

Should Mailman filter the content of list traffic according to the settings
below?
(Edit filter_content) 
I select NO.

At pass types link i have added to the list:

text/html

Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? This conversion
happens after MIME attachments have been stripped.  
I select NO

BUT THE ERROR REMAIN AND HTML HEADER AND FOOTER ARE NOT RECOGNIZED !!!
PLEASE HELP ME ...

From esj at harvee.org  Thu Aug 21 18:17:13 2003
From: esj at harvee.org (Eric S. Johansson)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:17:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] disguising e-mail addresses in archive
In-Reply-To: <1061316648.2600.24.camel@Anncons4>
References: <3F424278.6040702@harvee.org> <1061316648.2600.24.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <3F44F089.9080903@harvee.org>

Jon Carnes explained:

> There are a couple, but none of them work great.  I have used a small 4
> line script to hide the addresses in some archives.
> 
> IMO, the best method is to allow concerned users to sign up on a private
> list to have their email addresses expunged from the archives (and
> provide the alternative they want). Then you simply grep through the
> archives directory for their exact email address and replace that with
> the alternative. The "sed" command will do the job nicely

I was afraid you would say that.  I have found a temporary solution which is to 
tell people that as a matter of policy I will not edit archives but they can 
solve their problem by:

a) doing software development necessary to make a publishable patch to the 
archiver.  They or their designated agent write the code and test it, I will 
verify testing and advocate inclusion of the patch in the project.

b) take over some of my open source development work (camram) and I will do the 
archiver modifications for them.

funny how I never hear anything back... ;-)

---eric






From kevinc at seaplace.org  Wed Aug 20 05:41:38 2003
From: kevinc at seaplace.org (Kevin N. Carpenter)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:41:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looping process
Message-ID: <3F42EDF2.5050001@seaplace.org>

Hi all -

I recently upgraded to Mailman 2.1.2-r1 (via Gentoo's emerge) and have 
noticed a looping python process.  Taking a quick look at 
/proc/, this appears to be the outgoing runner.  Left alone, 
it will use 100% of the CPU.  Last time I killed it, it had accumulated 
over 7000 minutes of CPU time...

Any suggestions?

Kevin C.




From jas at nysia.org  Thu Aug 21 16:58:33 2003
From: jas at nysia.org (Jaswinder S. Hayre)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:58:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Have recipients address appear in To: field
Message-ID: <6547A5AF6882D6118FC100065B8872071F6BB9@MSP101>



> Guys,
> 
> We are using Mailman to send messages to a little more than 6000 members
> but we are realizing that we would like to change some things.  The
> messages which are delivered by Mailman have no specific address in the
> To: field.  But instead it contains something like listname at hostname.
> Some spam filters label mail delivered in this fashion as being spam (I
> know this is bad practice but I don't know why, so if someone could
> explain this I would be thankful).  This prevents our message from
> actually reaching the end user even though we have an "opt-in" system.
> 
> I once heard that it is possible to turn ON delivery in such a way that
> the recipients email address is listed in the To: Field.  How can I do
> this? I understand that this will be quite a performance hit, but I will
> test this out in dev environment first.  I am using Mailman 2.0.13 with
> qmail on FreeBSD-stable.  
> 
> Regards,
> Jas


From wheakory at isu.edu  Thu Aug 21 18:06:56 2003
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:06:56 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Held Messages
Message-ID: <3F44EE20.BC002F45@isu.edu>

Hi Everyone,

I have a question about the removal of held messages, is there a way to
automatically remove held messages that have been in a mailing list for
a certain number of days ( I have been going in to /home/mailman/data
and using the "rm" command on messages that I  know are spam, or a worm
virus like SOBIG). The reason I ask is, it creates quite a bit of disk
space when moderators have not gone in and either "approved" or
"discarded" the held messages, so I would like to have something go in
and check how long a message has been out there and if it's out there
past a certain number of days I would like it removed.

I know I could write something in perl to do this, but if something is
already in the mailman configuration that has adopted this, than I don't

want to spend time doing so.

Also what is the syntax for creating a spam filter on the SUBECT header.




--
Kory Wheatley
Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
Phone 282-3874
#########################################
Everything must point to him.





From wheakory at isu.edu  Wed Aug 20 18:16:43 2003
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:16:43 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Held messages for approval
Message-ID: <3F439EEB.3A4C87AB@isu.edu>

Hi Everyone,

I have a question about the removal of held messages, is there a way to
automatically remove held messages that have been in a mailing list for
a certain number of days ( I have been going in to /home/mailman/data
and using the "rm" command on messages that I  know are spam, or a worm
virus like SOBIG). The reason I ask is, it creates quite a bit of disk
space when moderators have not gone in and either "approved" or
"discarded" the held messages, so I would like to have something go in
and check how long a message has been out there and if it's out there
past a certain number of days I would like it removed.

I know I could write something in perl to do this, but if something is
already in the mailman configuration that has adopted this, than I don't
want to spend time doing so.

Also what is the syntax for creating a spam filter on the SUBECT header.

--
Kory Wheatley
Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
Phone 282-3874
#########################################
Everything must point to him.





From sumeetp at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 20 18:24:59 2003
From: sumeetp at hotmail.com (sumeet)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:24:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] further empty module name woes
Message-ID: 

I have a list that i created ages ago, then suddenly at 9:51am w/ no prompting from me I started getting the error below. Previously it was related to localization issues, now even when i send a test message w or w/o text and/or subject from the mailman host it gets shunted immediately. I'm sending this to developers as well, b/c Tokio was able to solve my problem -- it just may be too much of an issue for the users list. Please reply to me. thx.
 I've compiled my own version of Python 2.2.2:
[root at mailman qfiles]# /usr/local/bin/python -V
Python 2.2.2
On the following OS:
[root at mailman qfiles]# uname -a
Linux mailman.vmware.com 2.4.20-8 #2 SMP Fri Jul 11 14:46:57 PDT 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

The error log says:Aug 19 14:12:14 2003 (23553) Uncaught runner exception: Empty module name
Aug 19 14:12:14 2003 (23553) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose
    more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89, in process
    send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in send_digests
    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in send_i18n_digests
    msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 308, in process
    t = t.encode(charset, 'replace')
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/encodings/__init__.py", line 51, in search_function
    mod = __import__(modname,globals(),locals(),'*')
ValueError: Empty module name


From kimm at xs4all.nl  Wed Aug 20 12:32:15 2003
From: kimm at xs4all.nl (webulous)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:32:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] digest
Message-ID: <000501c36706$5315ace0$9600000a@webulous>

Hello,

My digest was working fine at first but now the subjects are mentioned but
the body of the messages is not. Anyone have a clue as to what can be wrong?

thanks in advance for any help!

regards,
Jeroen




From gskipworth at nabanet.com  Wed Aug 20 23:16:43 2003
From: gskipworth at nabanet.com (Guy Skipworth)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:16:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remote Server
Message-ID: <000d01c36760$5b5c41c0$3700150a@guy>

I am looking for firms that can supply our organization with access to Mailman on a remote basis as we do not use Linux.

Thank you in advance for advice or assistance.


_____________________
Guy Skipworth
NABA
www.nabanet.com

From daniel at linuxuser.co.uk  Thu Aug 21 15:02:58 2003
From: daniel at linuxuser.co.uk (Daniel James)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:02:58 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Overloaded with virus traffic
In-Reply-To: <200308211312.00553.daniel@linuxuser.co.uk>
References: <200308211312.00553.daniel@linuxuser.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200308211402.58216.daniel@linuxuser.co.uk>

Hello again,

Someone with shell access has kindly deleted everything prefixed with:

heldmsg-

in ~mailman/data

and that has done the trick. 

As a suggestion for a future version of Mailman, if there had been 
options to show only the headers of the held mails and a button in 
the web interface for 'set all to discard' it would have solved this 
problem very neatly. Alternatively, there could be a preference to 
set the default button behaviour to 'discard' instead of 'defer'.

Thanks again - Mailman is great. But I expect you all knew that...

Daniel James
News + Web Editor
LinuxUser & Developer
http://www.linuxuser.co.uk


> We have a Mailman 2.0.11 list hosted for us at linux.org.uk with
> thousands of members. It's been running brilliantly for over three
> years, but today we a have a little problem...
>
> We've had trouble with spam before, but today there are almost 2000
> messages for approval in the hold queue, most of which have a virus
> attachment. This means the admindb page in the web interface is
> 10.9MB in size.
>
> When you try to click 'submit' at the bottom of this rather large
> page, our ISP chokes on the size of the form. We don't have shell
> access to this machine - is there any alternative to deleting each
> attachment in the content boxes by hand?
>
> I'm not subscribed to this list at present, so please cc any reply
> to me directly.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Daniel James
> News + Web Editor
> LinuxUser & Developer
> http://www.linuxuser.co.uk





From Andrew.Falgout at usm.edu  Thu Aug 21 18:18:28 2003
From: Andrew.Falgout at usm.edu (Andrew Falgout)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:18:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail man list problem
Message-ID: <03da01c367ff$e2e1b4f0$ebac5f83@andynotebook>

We recently moved to mailman from majordomo, and I'm having serious issues with performance.  I've tried subscribing to the users and developers lists, but they have not responded to me within 24 hours.  By this I mean, when I tried to subscribe, I never got an email for verifying the subscription.

I really need help.  I did not realize the performace would be so slow to respond, and my /var/spool/mailman/qfiles is filling up quick.  I'm up to 3000 messages in the system, and it appears to only be sending out 1 smtp log entry every minute.  How can I boost this performance?!?!

Thank You,

Andrew Wilson Falgout (RHCE)
System Admin II
University of Southern Mississippi
Office: 601-266-5603
=>There are 10 kinds of people in the world.
=>Those that understand binary, and those that don't.


From weather at wrel.com  Thu Aug 21 06:33:48 2003
From: weather at wrel.com (WREL WeatherCenter)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:33:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce only issue...please help!
Message-ID: <002901c3679d$6aadb040$6401a8c0@home1>

Hello,
My domain has migrated to a new server with Mailman 2.1.2. We have an
announce only "one way" mailing list for news and weather information with
~300 members.

I have the list in .txt ready for Mass Mailing. However I am stumped on the
following issues:

1. Is there a way to set up Mailman to only allow my email address to post
to the list, and
2. automatically reject posting attempts from anyone else without?

I've gone to our server techs who don't offer much help. Can't find this in
the config, nor in the discussion groups.

If you could help, we'd be extremely grateful.

Best regards.

Scott Lancey
WREL Radio
http://www.wrel.com




From mail at matthewhsu.com  Wed Aug 20 23:09:36 2003
From: mail at matthewhsu.com (Matthew Hsu)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:09:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with mailman
Message-ID: <000001c3675f$5ca8b460$6701a8c0@trixie>

Hello, I'm trying to set up an 'announce-only' list using mailman, but I
can't seem to find this option anywhere on the interface. Can you tell
me where it might be located?

thank you,
Matthew hsu




From daniel at linuxuser.co.uk  Thu Aug 21 14:12:00 2003
From: daniel at linuxuser.co.uk (Daniel James)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:12:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Overloaded with virus traffic
Message-ID: <200308211312.00553.daniel@linuxuser.co.uk>

Hello,

We have a Mailman 2.0.11 list hosted for us at linux.org.uk with 
thousands of members. It's been running brilliantly for over three 
years, but today we a have a little problem...

We've had trouble with spam before, but today there are almost 2000 
messages for approval in the hold queue, most of which have a virus 
attachment. This means the admindb page in the web interface is 
10.9MB in size.

When you try to click 'submit' at the bottom of this rather large 
page, our ISP chokes on the size of the form. We don't have shell 
access to this machine - is there any alternative to deleting each 
attachment in the content boxes by hand?

I'm not subscribed to this list at present, so please cc any reply to 
me directly.

Thanks!
 
Daniel James
News + Web Editor
LinuxUser & Developer
http://www.linuxuser.co.uk



From sumeetp at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 22 09:38:38 2003
From: sumeetp at hotmail.com (sumeet)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 00:38:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: further empty module name woes
Message-ID: 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: sumeet 
To: mailman-developers at python.org 
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 12:06 AM
Subject: Fw: further empty module name woes


I have a list that i created ages ago, then suddenly at 9:51am w/ no prompting from me I started getting the error below. Previously it was related to localization issues, now even when i send a test message w or w/o text and/or subject from the mailman host it gets shunted immediately. I'm sending this to developers as well, b/c Tokio was able to solve my problem -- it just may be too much of an issue for the users list. Please reply to me. thx.
 I've compiled my own version of Python 2.2.2:
[root at mailman qfiles]# /usr/local/bin/python -V
Python 2.2.2
On the following OS:
[root at mailman qfiles]# uname -a
Linux mailman.vmware.com 2.4.20-8 #2 SMP Fri Jul 11 14:46:57 PDT 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

The error log says:Aug 19 14:12:14 2003 (23553) Uncaught runner exception: Empty module name
Aug 19 14:12:14 2003 (23553) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose
    more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89, in process
    send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in send_digests
    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in send_i18n_digests
    msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 308, in process
    t = t.encode(charset, 'replace')
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/encodings/__init__.py", line 51, in search_function
    mod = __import__(modname,globals(),locals(),'*')
ValueError: Empty module name


From kevinc at seaplace.org  Fri Aug 22 17:29:52 2003
From: kevinc at seaplace.org (kevinc at seaplace.org)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:29:52 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looping process
Message-ID: <17409.199.89.234.122.1061566192.squirrel@mail.seaplace.org>

Hi all -

I recently upgraded to Mailman 2.1.2-r1 (via Gentoo's emerge) and have
noticed a looping python process.  Taking a quick look at
/proc/, this appears to be the outgoing runner.  Left alone, 
it will use 100% of the CPU.  One time I killed it, it had accumulated
over 7000 minutes of CPU time...

Fortunetly, the lists appear to be working, but this is eating up one
processor on my dual processor mail server.

Any suggestions?

Kevin C.






From jon at internection.com  Fri Aug 22 18:43:39 2003
From: jon at internection.com (Jon August)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:43:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] purge messages
Message-ID: 


Is there a quick way to purge all messages administratively held?  The
default is to defer the messages, but I want to discard them.  A spammer
got hold of my mailing list and theres 1,200 messages waiting for
deletion.

I tried to modify admindb.py before compilation so that discard was the
default.  I moved the "1" from the defer line to the discard line, but
this didn't do it.  

Can I just delete some files somewhere?  

	-Jon

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From kevinc at seaplace.org  Fri Aug 22 22:38:56 2003
From: kevinc at seaplace.org (kevinc at seaplace.org)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:38:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Simple SPAM protection
Message-ID: <42282.199.89.234.122.1061584736.squirrel@mail.seaplace.org>

Hi all -

Looking for a method to block specific attachment types like .pif and .exe.

Any suggestions for a Postfix/Mailman user?

Kevin C.



From jrush at scout.wisc.edu  Fri Aug 22 18:21:33 2003
From: jrush at scout.wisc.edu (Justin Rush)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:21:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Statistics
Message-ID: 

Is there a program out there that will watch the subscriber lists and make 
some sort of statistics from them? I would like to see how many users 
signed up for a list from say August 1st to August 11th, to, for example, 
see how a change on our website or some PR stuff is effecting our 
userlist.

Thanks,

-- 
Justin Rush
Technical Specialist
Internet Scout Project
jrush at scout.wisc.edu




From scratch at xmission.com  Sat Aug 23 00:45:14 2003
From: scratch at xmission.com (Warren Woodward)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:45:14 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] But really now.  HTDig...
Message-ID: <20030822224514.GA13600@xmission.com>

...sucks.  We all know this.  We've all tried fruitlessly to find 
back archives of this very list and failed masterfully.  We've installed 
it on our servers only to field hours of complaints from users who think 
it *must* be broken because a search for "Jims recipe" turns up links to 
pet photos.  

So the question is, what else is there?  Anything?  I'm scared to ask, 
because I'm fairly certain that htdig is being pushed for lack of anything 
better.  

Forgive me if I missed a prior conversation on this matter.  I often skim 
over this list's mail on busy days, and I'd try searching the archives 
but..... well.  You know.

Please discuss.

p.s. I've been asked (at virtual gunpoint) to request that we have dates
added to archive menus.  Any thoughts on this?

 -- 
warren woodward
XMission DSL
Domo/Mailman
warrenw at xmission.com
(801) 303-0819
(877) XMISSION

"I hold a beast, an angel and a madman in me."  Dylan Thomas



From cwieland at uci.edu  Fri Aug 22 20:22:54 2003
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:22:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My latest compile error
Message-ID: 

   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ?
     from _socket import *
ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python: fatal: libssl.so.0.9.6: 
open failed: No such file or directory
make: *** [update] Error 1

i have ld.so.1 in /usr/lib/ld.so.1 and /etc/lib/ld.so.1

also

/usr/local/ssl/lib/libssl.so.0.9.6
/usr/local/apache/libexec/libssl.so.0.9.6


These are the sam as my current .13 mailman install

Any ideas
Con Wieland
UC Irvine




From jens at freebsdforum.de  Fri Aug 22 16:11:44 2003
From: jens at freebsdforum.de (Jens Gutzeit)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:11:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fork bomb every night from mailman crons
Message-ID: <200308221611.44708.jens@freebsdforum.de>

Hi all,

The next problem:

Every night we have a forkbomb from mailman processes (the scripts that gets 
started by cron). If I start them by hand all is well so it's a bit difficult 
to debug.

I want to attach strace to the process when it comes up this night, but before 
I do this, just want to ask if there is a better way to debug this? I'm not 
very familiar with python.

Thanks in advance,
Jens




From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Sat Aug 23 06:00:51 2003
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:00:51 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailing List Held Messages
In-Reply-To: <3F44EE20.BC002F45@isu.edu>
References: <3F44EE20.BC002F45@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <3F46E6F3.3050502@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

This patch.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=790494&group_id=103&atid=300103

Cheers,

Kory Wheatley wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I have a question about the removal of held messages, is there a way to
> automatically remove held messages that have been in a mailing list for
> a certain number of days ( I have been going in to /home/mailman/data
> and using the "rm" command on messages that I  know are spam, or a worm
> virus like SOBIG). The reason I ask is, it creates quite a bit of disk
> space when moderators have not gone in and either "approved" or
> "discarded" the held messages, so I would like to have something go in
> and check how long a message has been out there and if it's out there
> past a certain number of days I would like it removed.
> 

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From kevinc at seaplace.org  Fri Aug 22 22:30:55 2003
From: kevinc at seaplace.org (kevinc at seaplace.org)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:30:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looping process
In-Reply-To: <3F42EDF2.5050001@seaplace.org>
References: <3F42EDF2.5050001@seaplace.org>
Message-ID: <12280.199.89.234.122.1061584255.squirrel@mail.seaplace.org>

Just an update since I posted this:

I pulled the primary distribution and rebuilt by hand just to make sure
Gentoo didn't have anything to do with the problem.  Same results.  I
didn't see this under 2.1.0, but suffered a data corruption to one of the
list .pck files under that release.

Kevin C.

> Hi all -
>
> I recently upgraded to Mailman 2.1.2-r1 (via Gentoo's emerge) and have
> noticed a looping python process.  Taking a quick look at
> /proc/, this appears to be the outgoing runner.  Left alone,
> it will use 100% of the CPU.  Last time I killed it, it had accumulated
> over 7000 minutes of CPU time...
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Kevin C.
>




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sat Aug 23 15:20:23 2003
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:20:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Simple SPAM protection
In-Reply-To: <42282.199.89.234.122.1061584736.squirrel@mail.seaplace.org>
References: <42282.199.89.234.122.1061584736.squirrel@mail.seaplace.org>
Message-ID: 

At 3:38 PM -0500 2003/08/22, kevinc at seaplace.org wrote:

>  Looking for a method to block specific attachment types like .pif and .exe.
>
>  Any suggestions for a Postfix/Mailman user?

	In main.cf, use:

body_checks = regexp:/var/postfix/body_checks.regexp


	In /var/postfix/body_checks.regexp, use:

# Spam Blocking
/^[[:blank:]]*name\=(.*)\.(ad[ep]|ba[st]|chm|cmd|com|cpl|crt|eml|exe|hlp|hta|in[
fs]|isp|js|jse|jse?|lnk|md[be]|ms[cipt]|pcd|pif|reg|scr|sct|shs|url|vb[se]|vxd|w
s[fhc]|zip)/    REJECT


	In case that gets line-wrapped, that's supposed to be a long 
regular expression on a single line.

-- 
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sat Aug 23 15:15:32 2003
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:15:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What is the SETTING to insert HTML
	code in Footer 	and Header ?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

At 12:12 PM +0200 2003/08/20, Fabio Rossi wrote:

>  WHAT IS THE SETTING TO READ HTML CODE IN THE MAILING LIST MESSAGES
>  (TO INSERT HEADER AND FOOTER IN HTML CODE) ????

	Check the archives.  There is no setting for this, because doing 
this correctly is a much, much harder problem to solve than you think 
it is.

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

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tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From roman at rs-labs.com  Sat Aug 23 20:45:40 2003
From: roman at rs-labs.com (Roman Medina)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 20:45:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, postfix and virtual domains
Message-ID: 


 Hi,

 I'm using Mailman 2.0.11 and I'd like to have different mailing-lists
for different virtual domains. I digged a bit through ml archives and
it seems that this feature is not implemented yet: you cannot have
_different_ mailing-lists called "list at domain-one.com" and
"list at domain-two.com" because Mailman only recognize listnames (and
the name "list" is unique). Please, confirm that. When is it planned
to implement this feature? Any aprox. date? :-)

 By the way, I still have some related questions:
1) I've heard about some tricky solutions like having different lists
and use aliasing at MTA. For instance: having created "list-domain1"
and "list-domain2", and then create a "link" (=mail alias) between
"list-domain1" and "list at domain-one.com". Do you have any mini-howto
explaining this procedure for Postfix&Mailman in a detailed way? Which
Pros & contras would I have with such a solution?
2) How could I configure virtual hosts at Mailman? I couldn't find any
info or docs about it. I suppose the concept of virtual host at
Mailman would be having _one_ only list attached to several (virtual)
domains (but indeed the list is the same and only for all domains). Am
I right?
3) Which other mlm would you recommend to me with real virtual domain
support? (I mean, they should allow the possibility of having
different lists with the same listname at different virtual domains).
Does ezmlm support this? Sorry for this last question but I had to ask
it.

 TIA,
 --Roman

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From gege at nst.pku.edu.cn  Sat Aug 23 19:19:49 2003
From: gege at nst.pku.edu.cn (Ares Liu)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 01:19:49 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP me for chinese subject in mailman 2.1 please!
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20030823171641.M16244@nst.pku.edu.cn>

Hello, everyone

When I use chinese subject, mailman 2.1 will get an error as follow:

Aug 24 01:11:33 2003 (2466) Uncaught runner exception: unknown encoding: 
gb2312
Aug 24 01:11:33 2003 (2466) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 129, in _dispose
    status = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 152, in 
_dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 74, in process
    prefix_subject(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 253, in 
prefix_subject
    h.append(s, c)
  File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 243, in append
    s = s.encode(outcodec)
LookupError: unknown encoding: gb2312

How to solve this error?

Thanks very much!

-Ares

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http://nst.pku.edu.cn



From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Sat Aug 23 14:32:10 2003
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:32:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] compiling error
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 


On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, at 08:59  pm, Con wrote:

> Hello
>
> I'm installing this on a Solaris9 box and have tried multiple versions  
> and and sources of pyhton and I still get this:
>
> Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "bin/update", line 47, in ?
>     from Mailman import Utils
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 35, in ?
>     import cgi
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/cgi.py", line 39, in ?
>     import urllib
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ?
>     import socket
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ?
>     from _socket import *
> ImportError: No module named _socket
> make: *** [update] Error 1
>
This may indicate something is wrong with your Python installation. It  
certainly is not a Mailman problem per se as the socket module being  
imported is a standard Python module.

Do you get the same error if you run python from the command line and  
enter the 'import socket' statement on the Python CLI?

The following may be applicable:

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg14773.html
>
> any help would be appreciated.
>
> Con Wieland
> UC Irvine
>
>
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> Searchable Archives:  
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk
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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sat Aug 23 14:09:08 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:09:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] But really now.  HTDig...
In-Reply-To: <20030822224514.GA13600@xmission.com>
Message-ID: <997FA038-D562-11D7-A0E5-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Friday, August 22, 2003, at 11:45  pm, Warren Woodward wrote:

> ...sucks.  We all know this.  We've all tried fruitlessly to find
> back archives of this very list and failed masterfully.  We've 
> installed
> it on our servers only to field hours of complaints from users who 
> think
> it *must* be broken because a search for "Jims recipe" turns up links 
> to
> pet photos.
>
> So the question is, what else is there?  Anything?  I'm scared to ask,
> because I'm fairly certain that htdig is being pushed for lack of 
> anything
> better.
>

Why not search the Mailman FAQ. You will probably find 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp, 
which page offers other options than htdig.

Of course, Mailman being Open Software and you being a clever person, 
you are always free to integrate some other, superior search-engine and 
contribute your experience to the community.

> Forgive me if I missed a prior conversation on this matter.

Always worth searching the searchable mailman-users archive (see link 
at bottom of this email) but as the Mail Archives uses htdig you will 
probably judge the results as inadequate.

> I often skim
> over this list's mail on busy days, and I'd try searching the archives
> but..... well.  You know.
>
> Please discuss.

Contribution: we are all welcome to our own opinion, no matter how 
irrational it is.

>
> p.s. I've been asked (at virtual gunpoint) to request that we have 
> dates
> added to archive menus.  Any thoughts on this?
>
>  --
> warren woodward
> XMission DSL
> Domo/Mailman
> warrenw at xmission.com
> (801) 303-0819
> (877) XMISSION
>
> "I hold a beast, an angel and a madman in me."  Dylan Thomas
>
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> Searchable Archives: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From che at debian.org  Sun Aug 24 18:53:50 2003
From: che at debian.org (Ben Gertzfield)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:53:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP me for chinese subject in mailman 2.1 please!
In-Reply-To: <20030823171641.M16244@nst.pku.edu.cn>
Message-ID: <89596128-D653-11D7-BD34-000393C96166@debian.org>

On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 10:19 AM, Ares Liu wrote:

> When I use chinese subject, mailman 2.1 will get an error as follow:
> LookupError: unknown encoding: gb2312
>
> How to solve this error?

Make sure you have the Chinese codecs for Python installed.  You can 
get them from:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/python-codecs/

(You will need to download the latest source from CVS and install it.)

It's possible that CJKCodecs will also work, if you don't know how to 
use CVS:

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=46747

I have not tested CJKCodecs with Mailman, but it might work.

This will let Mailman convert gb2312 subject strings to Unicode, which 
will fix your error.

Ben




From afalgout at ocean.otr.usm.edu  Sun Aug 24 01:51:06 2003
From: afalgout at ocean.otr.usm.edu (Andrew Falgout)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:51:06 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Sendmail horribly slow performance..
	suggestions please?!?
Message-ID: 

I'm currently running mailman-2.0.13-1 eith sendmail-8.11.6-25.72.  Posts 
are processed very fast, but delivery is more than slow.  It takes 1-2 
minutes per post to delivery mail.  Evaluating what is going on in the 
queue is a little more than cumbersome.  Over the course of 3-4 days mails 
have been piling up in the qfiles directory to the tune of 4000 mails and 
waiting.  There are mails 3 days old waiting to go out.  I'm looking for 
ways to evaluate what is in the queue, why it's in the queue, and how to 
tell qrunner to report more information on what it's thinking.  Like 
perhaps the msgid of the email it's trying to process at this time.

-- 
Thank You,
Andrew

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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Sat Aug 23 05:31:32 2003
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 23:31:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce only issue...please help!
In-Reply-To: <002901c3679d$6aadb040$6401a8c0@home1>
References: <002901c3679d$6aadb040$6401a8c0@home1>
Message-ID: <20030823033132.GK1803@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Hash: SHA1

WREL WeatherCenter wrote:
> However I am stumped on the following issues:
>
> 1. Is there a way to set up Mailman to only allow my email address to post
> to the list, and
>
> 2. automatically reject posting attempts from anyone else without?

Yep.  Here are some instructions take verbatim from the Mailman FAQ, section
3.11 entitled, "How do I create a newsletter/announcement/one-way list?"

    How to restrict the list so only authorized persons can post:

    Turn on the moderation flag for all your existing users.  Go to the
    membership management page, and use the Additional Member Tasks to turn
    on the mod flag for all users.

    Then go to Privacy Options -> Sender filters and set the
    default_member_moderation flag to Yes so that new users are
    automatically set as moderated.

    Set the member_moderation_action to Reject and add a nice rejection
    notice text to the following text box.  Say something like "this is an
    announcement list, to reach the band, please email band at dom.ain"

    Set the generic_nonmember_action to Reject or Discard.

Check out that FAQ entry for some other helpful tips on setting up an
announcement list and a warning about how to avoid unauthorized users
posting to the list using the moderation settings method outlined above.
The URL for the FAQ is in the footer of each message.

> If you could help, we'd be extremely grateful.

Does the gratitude include beer?  :)

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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sun Aug 24 22:42:14 2003
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:42:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Sendmail horribly slow
	performance.. 	suggestions please?!?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

At 6:51 PM -0500 2003/08/23, Andrew Falgout wrote:

>  I'm currently running mailman-2.0.13-1 eith sendmail-8.11.6-25.72.  Posts
>  are processed very fast, but delivery is more than slow.

	You may want to consider sendmail 8.12 (current is 8.12.9, with 
8.12.10 currently in Beta2).  There are many new features with 
sendmail 8.12, including envelope auto-splitting for parallel 
delivery of a single mail message to multiple recipients.

	See Mailman FAQ Entry "6.3. MTA Performance Tuning Tips for 
Sendmail" at 
.

	You may also be interested in Mailman FAQ Entry "6.6. Mailman 
Performance Tuning for Mail Delivery" at 
, 
"6.8. Improving performance by DNS caching" 
, 
and "4.11. What about performance?" at 
.

	See also the file sendmail/TUNING from the sendmail distribution.

-- 
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

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From mike at CamaroSS.net  Sun Aug 24 23:39:50 2003
From: mike at CamaroSS.net (Mike Kercher)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:39:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Sendmail horribly slow
	performance..suggestions please?!?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <000201c36a88$401dfef0$9c01a8c0@home.middlefinger.net>

This could be caused by a DNS bottleneck.  I would recommend you setup a
caching-only nameserver on your Mailman box and see if that helps.  Remember
to modify /etc/resolv.conf to add a line at the top:

nameserver 127.0.0.1

Mike


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] On Behalf Of
Andrew Falgout
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 6:51 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Sendmail horribly slow
performance..suggestions please?!?


I'm currently running mailman-2.0.13-1 eith sendmail-8.11.6-25.72.  Posts 
are processed very fast, but delivery is more than slow.  It takes 1-2 
minutes per post to delivery mail.  Evaluating what is going on in the 
queue is a little more than cumbersome.  Over the course of 3-4 days mails 
have been piling up in the qfiles directory to the tune of 4000 mails and 
waiting.  There are mails 3 days old waiting to go out.  I'm looking for 
ways to evaluate what is in the queue, why it's in the queue, and how to 
tell qrunner to report more information on what it's thinking.  Like 
perhaps the msgid of the email it's trying to process at this time.

-- 
Thank You,
Andrew

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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sat Aug 23 22:17:32 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:17:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fork bomb every night from mailman crons
In-Reply-To: <200308232154.11381.jens@freebsdforum.de>
Message-ID: 


On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 08:54  pm, Jens Gutzeit wrote:

> On Saturday 23 August 2003 21:32, you wrote:
>> On Friday, August 22, 2003, at 03:11  pm, Jens Gutzeit wrote:
>>> Every night we have a forkbomb from mailman processes
>>
>> What does this technical term mean?
>
> It means, mailman forks very often, we had over 50 python processes 
> running
> (owned by mailman), a few seconds before that there were only the few 
> qrunner
> processes running.
>
> A few seconds later they die, but the load while forking and dieing is 
> very
> high (we had a load of 37).
>
> Last night it didn't occour, so I can't strace something.
>
> I have mailman running on Debian Woody 3. We have another server 
> running SuSE
> 8.1 with Mailman, there we haven't any problems. We use the latest  
> stable
> version on both machines.
Which version of Mailman is that? MM 2.0.? or MM 2.1.?

Any idea which of the cron jobs in Mailman's crontab is generating 
these processes?

How does the time the problem appears correlate with the execution time 
of the jobs in MM's crontab entries.
>
> Jens
>




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sat Aug 23 21:32:21 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 20:32:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fork bomb every night from mailman crons
In-Reply-To: <200308221611.44708.jens@freebsdforum.de>
Message-ID: <842D0039-D5A0-11D7-A0E5-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Friday, August 22, 2003, at 03:11  pm, Jens Gutzeit wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The next problem:
>
> Every night we have a forkbomb from mailman processes
What does this technical term mean?
>  (the scripts that gets
> started by cron). If I start them by hand all is well so it's a bit 
> difficult
> to debug.
>
> I want to attach strace to the process when it comes up this night, 
> but before
> I do this, just want to ask if there is a better way to debug this? 
> I'm not
> very familiar with python.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Jens




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sun Aug 24 20:48:23 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 19:48:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP me for chinese subject in mailman 2.1 please!
In-Reply-To: <20030823171641.M16244@nst.pku.edu.cn>
Message-ID: <89EBDF27-D663-11D7-8FE9-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 06:19  pm, Ares Liu wrote:

> Hello, everyone
>
> When I use chinese subject, mailman 2.1 will get an error as follow:
>
> Aug 24 01:11:33 2003 (2466) Uncaught runner exception: unknown  
> encoding:
> gb2312
> Aug 24 01:11:33 2003 (2466) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
>     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
>     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 129, in  
> _dispose
>     status = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 152, in
> _dopipeline
>     sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 74, in  
> process
>     prefix_subject(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 253, in
> prefix_subject
>     h.append(s, c)
>   File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 243, in append
>     s = s.encode(outcodec)
> LookupError: unknown encoding: gb2312
>
> How to solve this error?
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg15647.html

suggests a solution.

I found files needed here:

http://ntu.tw.freebsd.org/ports/local-distfiles/perky/ 
ChineseCodecs1.2.0.tar.gz

Worked for me but there may be better solutions.
>
> Thanks very much!
>
> -Ares
>
> --
> Nuclear Science & Technology Virtual Research Center
> http://nst.pku.edu.cn
>
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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon Aug 25 00:48:03 2003
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 00:48:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Sendmail horribly slow 
	performance..suggestions please?!?
In-Reply-To: <000201c36a88$401dfef0$9c01a8c0@home.middlefinger.net>
References: <000201c36a88$401dfef0$9c01a8c0@home.middlefinger.net>
Message-ID: 

At 4:39 PM -0500 2003/08/24, Mike Kercher wrote:

>  This could be caused by a DNS bottleneck.  I would recommend you setup a
>  caching-only nameserver on your Mailman box and see if that helps.

	This is covered in Mailman FAQ Entry "6.8. Improving performance 
by DNS caching" 
.

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Mon Aug 25 01:59:25 2003
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 08:59:25 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP me for chinese subject in mailman 2.1 please!
In-Reply-To: <20030823171641.M16244@nst.pku.edu.cn>
References: 
	<20030823171641.M16244@nst.pku.edu.cn>
Message-ID: <3F49515D.7070109@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Ares Liu wrote:

> Hello, everyone
> 
> When I use chinese subject, mailman 2.1 will get an error as follow:
> 

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-i18n/2003-May/000918.html
may help.


-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From idc at macs.hw.ac.uk  Thu Aug 21 12:50:00 2003
From: idc at macs.hw.ac.uk (Ian D Crorie)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:50:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customising footers in 2.0.13
Message-ID: 



We're running 2.0.13.   Is there some way we can add the real
subscription address of users in the footers they get?


---
Considering the number of wheels that Microsoft has found reason to invent,
one never ceases to be baffled by the minuscule number whose shape even
vaguely resembles a circle.  -- anon



From ian at locut.us  Sat Aug 23 19:10:07 2003
From: ian at locut.us (ian at locut.us)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:10:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Various exceptions
Message-ID: <20030823171007.GA1414@locut.us>

I just installed Mailman 2.1-8 from the RH9 RPM on a machine together
with Postfix 1.1.11-11 and python 2.2.2-26.  I (eventually) got it
talking to Apache, and so the web interface is up - but it refuses to
send emails, it has sent one or two to lists but many have disappeared.

Looking at the error log I see plenty of exceptions like this:

Aug 22 15:45:45 2003 (15589) SHUNTING: 
1061578033.9225971+f2e1ff1b3868a9e52c73b4969567028c4d80b650
Aug 22 15:46:45 2003 qrunner(15589): Traceback (most recent call last):
Aug 22 15:46:45 2003 qrunner(15589):   File "/var/mailman/bin/qrunner", 
line 270, in ?
Aug 22 15:46:45 2003 qrunner(15589):   File "/var/mailman/bin/qrunner", 
line 230, in main
Aug 22 15:46:45 2003 qrunner(15589):   File 
"/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run
Aug 22 15:46:45 2003 qrunner(15589):      filecnt = self._oneloop()
Aug 22 15:46:45 2003 qrunner(15589):   File 
"/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in _oneloop
Aug 22 15:46:45 2003 qrunner(15589):      msg, msgdata = 
self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase)
Aug 22 15:46:45 2003 qrunner(15589):   File 
"/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 145, in dequeue
Aug 22 15:46:45 2003 qrunner(15589):      os.unlink(dbfile)
Aug 22 15:46:45 2003 qrunner(15589): OSError :  [Errno 12] Cannot 
allocate memory: 
'/var/mailman/qfiles/out/1061578033.942385+2181e4de4b8642c4b81fcf906f40117cfc32eb75.db'
Aug 22 15:46:45 2003 qrunner(31206): Cannot import runner module   
Mailman.Queue.OutgoingRunner
Aug 22 15:46:45 2003 qrunner(31206): No module named socket

...and...

Aug 22 15:45:42 2003 (15589) Uncaught runner exception: please run 
connect() first
Aug 22 15:45:42 2003 (15589) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 61, in 
_dispose
    self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 149, in 
process
    conn.quit()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 79, in quit
    self.__conn.quit()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 702, in quit
    self.docmd("quit")
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 357, in docmd
    self.putcmd(cmd,args)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 313, in putcmd
    self.send(str)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 305, in send
    raise SMTPServerDisconnected('please run connect() first')
SMTPServerDisconnected: please run connect() first

Any ideas?

Ian.



From david at midrange.com  Sat Aug 23 19:49:28 2003
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:49:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Notify member when post is held for moderation?
Message-ID: 

Folks:

Anyone know if there is a way to send a member when their post is held for
moderation?

I've had a few problems with people subscribing to one of my lists, posting
an advertisement, then unsubscribing ... so I enabled "New subscribers are
initially moderated" feature.

Unforunately, sometimes people post and expect their message to show up
immediately and end up resending it multiple times.  I'd really like to be
able to send them a message indicating that their post was held for review,
and that when it is released, future posts will not be held.

I had hoped that the member_moderation_notice option would apply here ...
but it only applies when a moderated member's post is rejected.

Thanks!

david






From afalgout at ocean.otr.usm.edu  Mon Aug 25 05:59:23 2003
From: afalgout at ocean.otr.usm.edu (Andrew Falgout)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:59:23 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Sendmail horribly slow performance..
	suggestions please?!?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Sendmail usually delivers regular mail on an almost instant basis.  What 
I'm getting it a feel that qrunner is not passing the mails from the 
qfiles directory for sendmail to deliver.  The machine in question has 
around 15k uses on it, and they have almost instant mail delivery through 
sendmail for regular mail.  When a mail comes to the list through sendmail 
initially, it gets delivered through the mqueue for sendmail and is posted 
to the qfiles of mm almost instantly.  However that is where the holdup 
is.  Qrunner doesn't seem to be dealing with these files well at all.  
They are sitting in the qfiles directory and are being delivered or sent 
out at a rate of 1-2 per minute. 

I don't see an smtp-failure log to check.  If there are any features for 
debugging I can turn on in MM please let me know.  Lock logging is the 
only thing I could find initially.

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Richard Barrett wrote:

> 
> On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 12:51  am, Andrew Falgout wrote:
> 
> > I'm currently running mailman-2.0.13-1 eith sendmail-8.11.6-25.72.   
> > Posts
> > are processed very fast, but delivery is more than slow.  It takes 1-2
> > minutes per post to delivery mail.  Evaluating what is going on in the
> > queue is a little more than cumbersome.  Over the course of 3-4 days  
> > mails
> > have been piling up in the qfiles directory to the tune of 4000 mails  
> > and
> > waiting.  There are mails 3 days old waiting to go out.  I'm looking  
> > for
> > ways to evaluate what is in the queue, why it's in the queue, and how  
> > to
> > tell qrunner to report more information on what it's thinking.  Like
> > perhaps the msgid of the email it's trying to process at this time.
> >
> Are you using the local sendmail instance as the outgoing SMTP server?
> 
> Regardless, what do the Mailman post, smtp and smtp-failure logs show  
> about mail being handled by the system. How does this tie in with the  
> MTA's mail log.
> 
> If your outgoing mail is being handled by the local sendmail MTA then I  
> would normally expect Mailman to handoff to the MTA without much delay.  
> If MM is having problems handing off to sendmail then you might find  
> some evidence of this in the smtp-failure log.
> > --  
> > Thank You,
> > Andrew
> >
> > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+- 
> > +-+-+-
> > -      Andrew Wilson Falgout (RHCE)               Linux, E Pluribus  
> > UNIX!  -
> > -      Systems Admin  II, TIU               Office:  (601) 266-5603     
> >     -
> > -      University of Southern Mississippi                               
> >     -
> > -                                              Fax:  (601) 266-6788     
> >     -
> > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- 
> > +-+-+-+
> 

-- 
Thank You,
Andrew

-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-
-      Andrew Wilson Falgout (RHCE)               Linux, E Pluribus UNIX!  -
-      Systems Admin  II, TIU               Office:  (601) 266-5603        -
-      University of Southern Mississippi                                  -
-                                              Fax:  (601) 266-6788        -
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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon Aug 25 08:56:57 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 07:56:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Sendmail horribly slow performance..
	suggestions please?!?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <51AAE14A-D6C9-11D7-8FE9-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 04:59  am, Andrew Falgout wrote:

> Sendmail usually delivers regular mail on an almost instant basis.   
> What
> I'm getting it a feel that qrunner is not passing the mails from the
> qfiles directory for sendmail to deliver.
If the qrunner is executing then it is trying to do just that. Can you  
see a qrunner instance when you run ps?
> The machine in question has
> around 15k uses on it, and they have almost instant mail delivery  
> through
> sendmail for regular mail.  When a mail comes to the list through  
> sendmail
> initially, it gets delivered through the mqueue for sendmail and is  
> posted
> to the qfiles of mm almost instantly.  However that is where the holdup
> is.  Qrunner doesn't seem to be dealing with these files well at all.
Or it could be that the MTA is not accepting outgoing mail from MM with  
the same alacrity with which it delivers it.
>
> They are sitting in the qfiles directory and are being delivered or  
> sent
> out at a rate of 1-2 per minute.
>
> I don't see an smtp-failure log to check.  If there are any features  
> for
> debugging I can turn on in MM please let me know.  Lock logging is the
> only thing I could find initially.
Although you do not say so, I have the impression that you have spotted  
nothing unusual in MM's $prefix/logs/error log and SMTP outbound  
traffic is not failing as nothing is making it into the  
$prefix/logs/smtp-failure log. Again you did not confimr this but I  
assume that the local MTA is acting as the outgoing SMTP server for  
Mailman?

If, when the qrunner is started by cron each minute, the new instance  
finds that an earlier incarnation is still running, the new instance  
logs it could not get the lock and exits. So logging about being unable  
to get the qrunner lock is not necessarily that unusual.

Do the log entries in the smtp log give any indication of it taking a  
long time for MM to pass each outgoing messages to the MTA via  
SMTPDirect. The log entries should show the time taken to get each post  
out.

You can get extra detail logged to the MM $prefix/logs/smtp log about  
the progress of delivery by MM to the MTA via SMTPDirect by removing  
some comments on lines in the file  
$prefix/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py. There is a function near the  
end called 'deliver' (this is the last function def'ed in the file) and  
in it there are four lines commented out with ## as the first two  
characters. Take a copy of this file as backup and delete the leading  
hash characters. This will not take with any running instance of the  
qrunner which you may have to kill.

This smtp log should now show more sub-transactions of the overall SMTP  
handoff for any given piece of outgoing mail.

> On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Richard Barrett wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 12:51  am, Andrew Falgout wrote:
>>
>>> I'm currently running mailman-2.0.13-1 eith sendmail-8.11.6-25.72.
>>> Posts
>>> are processed very fast, but delivery is more than slow.  It takes  
>>> 1-2
>>> minutes per post to delivery mail.  Evaluating what is going on in  
>>> the
>>> queue is a little more than cumbersome.  Over the course of 3-4 days
>>> mails
>>> have been piling up in the qfiles directory to the tune of 4000 mails
>>> and
>>> waiting.  There are mails 3 days old waiting to go out.  I'm looking
>>> for
>>> ways to evaluate what is in the queue, why it's in the queue, and how
>>> to
>>> tell qrunner to report more information on what it's thinking.  Like
>>> perhaps the msgid of the email it's trying to process at this time.
>>>
>> Are you using the local sendmail instance as the outgoing SMTP server?
>>
>> Regardless, what do the Mailman post, smtp and smtp-failure logs show
>> about mail being handled by the system. How does this tie in with the
>> MTA's mail log.
>>
>> If your outgoing mail is being handled by the local sendmail MTA then  
>> I
>> would normally expect Mailman to handoff to the MTA without much  
>> delay.
>> If MM is having problems handing off to sendmail then you might find
>> some evidence of this in the smtp-failure log.
>>> --   
>>> Thank You,
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>> -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+- 
>>> +-
>>> +-+-+-
>>> -      Andrew Wilson Falgout (RHCE)               Linux, E Pluribus
>>> UNIX!  -
>>> -      Systems Admin  II, TIU               Office:  (601) 266-5603
>>>     -
>>> -      University of Southern Mississippi
>>>     -
>>> -                                              Fax:  (601) 266-6788
>>>     -
>>> -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
>>> +-+-+-+
>>
>
> -- 
> Thank You,
> Andrew
>
> -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+- 
> +-+-+-
> -      Andrew Wilson Falgout (RHCE)               Linux, E Pluribus  
> UNIX!  -
> -      Systems Admin  II, TIU               Office:  (601) 266-5603     
>     -
> -      University of Southern Mississippi                               
>     -
> -                                              Fax:  (601) 266-6788     
>     -
> -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- 
> +-+-+-+
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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon Aug 25 09:00:44 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 08:00:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customising footers in 2.0.13
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 


On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 11:50  am, Ian D Crorie wrote:

>
>
> We're running 2.0.13.   Is there some way we can add the real
> subscription address of users in the footers they get?
>
>
Yes, but with MM 2.1.2, which introduces message personalization. I 
think you are out of luck with MM 2.0.13
> ---
> Considering the number of wheels that Microsoft has found reason to 
> invent,
> one never ceases to be baffled by the minuscule number whose shape even
> vaguely resembles a circle.  -- anon
>
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From kremels at kreme.com  Mon Aug 25 12:04:19 2003
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme (List User Kreme))
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 04:04:19 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject posts that contain a quoted list footer and
	adding Habeas headers
Message-ID: <7E866820-D6E3-11D7-B874-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>

Running mailman 2.1.1 is there anyway to reject posts that contain a 
quoted list footer?

Is there any way to add habeas headers to posts?

I am willing to update if that will help

-- 
Use your key, unlock the door, see what fate might have in store.  Come 
explore your dreams and Creations, Enter the world of imagination.




From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Sun Aug 24 22:36:36 2003
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:36:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Sendmail horribly slow performance..
	suggestions please?!?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 


On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 12:51  am, Andrew Falgout wrote:

> I'm currently running mailman-2.0.13-1 eith sendmail-8.11.6-25.72.   
> Posts
> are processed very fast, but delivery is more than slow.  It takes 1-2
> minutes per post to delivery mail.  Evaluating what is going on in the
> queue is a little more than cumbersome.  Over the course of 3-4 days  
> mails
> have been piling up in the qfiles directory to the tune of 4000 mails  
> and
> waiting.  There are mails 3 days old waiting to go out.  I'm looking  
> for
> ways to evaluate what is in the queue, why it's in the queue, and how  
> to
> tell qrunner to report more information on what it's thinking.  Like
> perhaps the msgid of the email it's trying to process at this time.
>
Are you using the local sendmail instance as the outgoing SMTP server?

Regardless, what do the Mailman post, smtp and smtp-failure logs show  
about mail being handled by the system. How does this tie in with the  
MTA's mail log.

If your outgoing mail is being handled by the local sendmail MTA then I  
would normally expect Mailman to handoff to the MTA without much delay.  
If MM is having problems handing off to sendmail then you might find  
some evidence of this in the smtp-failure log.
> --  
> Thank You,
> Andrew
>
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> +-+-+-
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> UNIX!  -
> -      Systems Admin  II, TIU               Office:  (601) 266-5603     
>     -
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From Andrew.Falgout at usm.edu  Mon Aug 25 15:28:04 2003
From: Andrew.Falgout at usm.edu (Andrew Falgout)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 08:28:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Sendmail horribly slow
	performance..suggestions please?!?
References: 
Message-ID: <006501c36b0c$b6db70c0$ebac5f83@andynotebook>

The error log is at 0 bytes.  I have not overridden the Defaults.py which
shows Defaults.py:MTA_ALIASES_STYLE = 'sendmail'.  So I assume that means
that sendmail is the MTA.

Aug 25 08:08:31 2003 (27798) smtp for 2 recips, completed in 1.045 seconds
Aug 25 08:08:31 2003 (27798) smtp for 2 recips, completed in 1.149 seconds
Aug 25 08:12:47 2003 (27798) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.208 seconds
Aug 25 08:12:47 2003 (27798) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.241 seconds
Aug 25 08:14:25 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.701 seconds
Aug 25 08:14:25 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.716 seconds
Aug 25 08:17:21 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.167 seconds
Aug 25 08:17:21 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.179 seconds
Aug 25 08:19:34 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 3.962 seconds
Aug 25 08:19:34 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 4.234 seconds

This is just a few of the lines in my /var/log/mailman/smtp file.  There are
a few bounces from time to time, but not on great frequency.  I did send an
email to a test list, and attempted to time when I would see my email
address in the post log, but after 10 minutes I have not seen it.  This
really confuses me, because the mail system on this server delivers mail
directly to a mailbox in seconds.  Why the delay?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Barrett" 
To: "Andrew Falgout" 
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Sendmail horribly slow
performance..suggestions please?!?


>
> On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 12:51  am, Andrew Falgout wrote:
>
> > I'm currently running mailman-2.0.13-1 eith sendmail-8.11.6-25.72.
> > Posts
> > are processed very fast, but delivery is more than slow.  It takes 1-2
> > minutes per post to delivery mail.  Evaluating what is going on in the
> > queue is a little more than cumbersome.  Over the course of 3-4 days
> > mails
> > have been piling up in the qfiles directory to the tune of 4000 mails
> > and
> > waiting.  There are mails 3 days old waiting to go out.  I'm looking
> > for
> > ways to evaluate what is in the queue, why it's in the queue, and how
> > to
> > tell qrunner to report more information on what it's thinking.  Like
> > perhaps the msgid of the email it's trying to process at this time.
> >
> Are you using the local sendmail instance as the outgoing SMTP server?
>
> Regardless, what do the Mailman post, smtp and smtp-failure logs show
> about mail being handled by the system. How does this tie in with the
> MTA's mail log.
>
> If your outgoing mail is being handled by the local sendmail MTA then I
> would normally expect Mailman to handoff to the MTA without much delay.
> If MM is having problems handing off to sendmail then you might find
> some evidence of this in the smtp-failure log.
> > -- 
> > Thank You,
> > Andrew
> >
> > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-
> > +-+-+-
> > -      Andrew Wilson Falgout (RHCE)               Linux, E Pluribus
> > UNIX!  -
> > -      Systems Admin  II, TIU               Office:  (601) 266-5603
> >     -
> > -      University of Southern Mississippi
> >     -
> > -                                              Fax:  (601) 266-6788
> >     -
> > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> > +-+-+-+
>
>
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Aug 25 16:09:44 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:09:44 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Sendmail horribly slow
	performance..suggestions please?!?
In-Reply-To: <006501c36b0c$b6db70c0$ebac5f83@andynotebook>
References: 
	<006501c36b0c$b6db70c0$ebac5f83@andynotebook>
Message-ID: <1061820565.2681.10.camel@Anncons4>

The description of the problem fits right in with the primary DNS
resolver not working and the server having to fall back to the secondary
for each look up.

That might not be your problem, but in anycase, you should run a
local-caching Nameserver on your mailserver. Then check to see how long
it takes to do dns lookups:
  host -t mx some.host.com
  dig -t mx some.host.com

The "dig" command will tell you how long it took to get the dns
information.  The "host" command will simply give you the information
you requested - which in this case is a listing of the Mailservers for
the domain some.host.com

You might also want to tweak your sendmail configuration:
http://www.trilug.org/~jonc/mailserver/PartIII.html

BTW: the many MTA's use the "sendmail aliases style", the fact that
Mailman is using it to communicate with your MTA does not insure that
you are using Sendmail as your MTA.

To find out which MTA you are using:
  telnet localhost 25

Read the header it displays.  It should indicate what service is acting
as your MTA. As an example, here is what I get:
 220 Anncons4.nc.rr.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.8/8.12.8; Mon, 25 Aug 2003
10:07:09 -0400

As you can see, I'm running Sendmail on this particular server.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 09:28, Andrew Falgout wrote:
> The error log is at 0 bytes.  I have not overridden the Defaults.py which
> shows Defaults.py:MTA_ALIASES_STYLE = 'sendmail'.  So I assume that means
> that sendmail is the MTA.
> 
> Aug 25 08:08:31 2003 (27798) smtp for 2 recips, completed in 1.045 seconds
> Aug 25 08:08:31 2003 (27798) smtp for 2 recips, completed in 1.149 seconds
> Aug 25 08:12:47 2003 (27798) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.208 seconds
> Aug 25 08:12:47 2003 (27798) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.241 seconds
> Aug 25 08:14:25 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.701 seconds
> Aug 25 08:14:25 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.716 seconds
> Aug 25 08:17:21 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.167 seconds
> Aug 25 08:17:21 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.179 seconds
> Aug 25 08:19:34 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 3.962 seconds
> Aug 25 08:19:34 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 4.234 seconds
> 
> This is just a few of the lines in my /var/log/mailman/smtp file.  There are
> a few bounces from time to time, but not on great frequency.  I did send an
> email to a test list, and attempted to time when I would see my email
> address in the post log, but after 10 minutes I have not seen it.  This
> really confuses me, because the mail system on this server delivers mail
> directly to a mailbox in seconds.  Why the delay?
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Barrett" 
> To: "Andrew Falgout" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 3:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Sendmail horribly slow
> performance..suggestions please?!?
> 
> 
> >
> > On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 12:51  am, Andrew Falgout wrote:
> >
> > > I'm currently running mailman-2.0.13-1 eith sendmail-8.11.6-25.72.
> > > Posts
> > > are processed very fast, but delivery is more than slow.  It takes 1-2
> > > minutes per post to delivery mail.  Evaluating what is going on in the
> > > queue is a little more than cumbersome.  Over the course of 3-4 days
> > > mails
> > > have been piling up in the qfiles directory to the tune of 4000 mails
> > > and
> > > waiting.  There are mails 3 days old waiting to go out.  I'm looking
> > > for
> > > ways to evaluate what is in the queue, why it's in the queue, and how
> > > to
> > > tell qrunner to report more information on what it's thinking.  Like
> > > perhaps the msgid of the email it's trying to process at this time.
> > >
> > Are you using the local sendmail instance as the outgoing SMTP server?
> >
> > Regardless, what do the Mailman post, smtp and smtp-failure logs show
> > about mail being handled by the system. How does this tie in with the
> > MTA's mail log.
> >
> > If your outgoing mail is being handled by the local sendmail MTA then I
> > would normally expect Mailman to handoff to the MTA without much delay.
> > If MM is having problems handing off to sendmail then you might find
> > some evidence of this in the smtp-failure log.
> > > -- 
> > > Thank You,
> > > Andrew
> > >
> > > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-
> > > +-+-+-
> > > -      Andrew Wilson Falgout (RHCE)               Linux, E Pluribus
> > > UNIX!  -
> > > -      Systems Admin  II, TIU               Office:  (601) 266-5603
> > >     -
> > > -      University of Southern Mississippi
> > >     -
> > > -                                              Fax:  (601) 266-6788
> > >     -
> > > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> > > +-+-+-+
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
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> > Mailman-Users at python.org
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> >
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From stefan.balu at acer.ro  Mon Aug 25 16:13:06 2003
From: stefan.balu at acer.ro (Balu Stefan)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:13:06 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not getting the confirmation anymore...
Message-ID: <200308251713.06038.stefan.balu@acer.ro>

For about 4 weeks I'm not getting the confirmation to send emails...why 
is that?!
-- 
Stefan, a simple Gentoo user.
Linux registered user: #272012
[Linux is Friendly. It's just selective about who his friends are.]




From Andrew.Falgout at usm.edu  Mon Aug 25 16:30:38 2003
From: Andrew.Falgout at usm.edu (Andrew Falgout)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:30:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Sendmail horribly
	slowperformance..suggestions please?!?
References: <006501c36b0c$b6db70c0$ebac5f83@andynotebook>
	<1061820565.2681.10.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <00ef01c36b15$746a13a0$ebac5f83@andynotebook>

I've included some of the diagnostics that was requested.  As of this moment
there are 7423 messages in the qfiles directory for mailman.  And it
continues to grow.  Please let me know if my thinking is flawed on how mails
flow through the system.

1. Message to a list hits sendmail initially and goes into the mqueue
directory for sendmail for processing.
2. Sendmail delivers the message to the mailman wrapper which places the
message in the qfiles directory for qrunner to process.
3. qrunner picks up these messages one by one, and delivers the message to
each of the recpts listed for the list.

How does qrunner decide which email to process?  Is there a way to have it
process a certain message in the qfiles directory?  Are there any utilities
for determining what is in the queue or why it was queued by qrunner.

I really do appreciate all the help.

Yes.. I am using sendmail as my MTA.
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to localhost.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 ocean.otr.usm.edu ESMTP Sendmail 8.11.6/8.11.6; Mon, 25 Aug 2003
09:21:56 -0500

(ocean) root $ time host python.org
DNS lookups are almost instantaneous.
python.org has address 194.109.137.226
host python.org  0.04s user 0.01s system 97% cpu 0.051 total

(ocean) root $ dig -t python.org
(/var/spool/mailman/qfiles)
;; Warning, ignoring invalid type python.org

; <<>> DiG 9.2.1 <<>> -t python.org
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 19709
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 13, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 13

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;.                              IN      NS

;; ANSWER SECTION:
.                       5402    IN      NS      G.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
.                       5402    IN      NS      H.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
.                       5402    IN      NS      I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
.                       5402    IN      NS      J.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
.                       5402    IN      NS      K.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
.                       5402    IN      NS      L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
.                       5402    IN      NS      M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
.                       5402    IN      NS      A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
.                       5402    IN      NS      B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
.                       5402    IN      NS      C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
.                       5402    IN      NS      D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
.                       5402    IN      NS      E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
.                       5402    IN      NS      F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.     600537  IN      A       198.41.0.4
B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.     600537  IN      A       128.9.0.107
C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.     510409  IN      A       192.33.4.12
D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.     510409  IN      A       128.8.10.90
E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.     602151  IN      A       192.203.230.10
F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.     510409  IN      A       192.5.5.241
G.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.     602151  IN      A       192.112.36.4
H.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.     602151  IN      A       128.63.2.53
I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.     510408  IN      A       192.36.148.17
J.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.     602151  IN      A       192.58.128.30
K.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.     510408  IN      A       193.0.14.129
L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.     510408  IN      A       198.32.64.12
M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.     510409  IN      A       202.12.27.33

;; Query time: 3 msec
;; SERVER: 131.95.84.2#53(131.95.84.2)
;; WHEN: Mon Aug 25 09:24:48 2003
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 436



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Carnes" 
To: "Andrew Falgout" 
Cc: ; "Richard Barrett" 
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Sendmail horribly
slowperformance..suggestions please?!?


> The description of the problem fits right in with the primary DNS
> resolver not working and the server having to fall back to the secondary
> for each look up.
>
> That might not be your problem, but in anycase, you should run a
> local-caching Nameserver on your mailserver. Then check to see how long
> it takes to do dns lookups:
>   host -t mx some.host.com
>   dig -t mx some.host.com
>
> The "dig" command will tell you how long it took to get the dns
> information.  The "host" command will simply give you the information
> you requested - which in this case is a listing of the Mailservers for
> the domain some.host.com
>
> You might also want to tweak your sendmail configuration:
> http://www.trilug.org/~jonc/mailserver/PartIII.html
>
> BTW: the many MTA's use the "sendmail aliases style", the fact that
> Mailman is using it to communicate with your MTA does not insure that
> you are using Sendmail as your MTA.
>
> To find out which MTA you are using:
>   telnet localhost 25
>
> Read the header it displays.  It should indicate what service is acting
> as your MTA. As an example, here is what I get:
>  220 Anncons4.nc.rr.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.8/8.12.8; Mon, 25 Aug 2003
> 10:07:09 -0400
>
> As you can see, I'm running Sendmail on this particular server.
>
> Good Luck - Jon Carnes
>
> On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 09:28, Andrew Falgout wrote:
> > The error log is at 0 bytes.  I have not overridden the Defaults.py
which
> > shows Defaults.py:MTA_ALIASES_STYLE = 'sendmail'.  So I assume that
means
> > that sendmail is the MTA.
> >
> > Aug 25 08:08:31 2003 (27798) smtp for 2 recips, completed in 1.045
seconds
> > Aug 25 08:08:31 2003 (27798) smtp for 2 recips, completed in 1.149
seconds
> > Aug 25 08:12:47 2003 (27798) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.208
seconds
> > Aug 25 08:12:47 2003 (27798) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.241
seconds
> > Aug 25 08:14:25 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.701
seconds
> > Aug 25 08:14:25 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.716
seconds
> > Aug 25 08:17:21 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.167
seconds
> > Aug 25 08:17:21 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.179
seconds
> > Aug 25 08:19:34 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 3.962
seconds
> > Aug 25 08:19:34 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 4.234
seconds
> >
> > This is just a few of the lines in my /var/log/mailman/smtp file.  There
are
> > a few bounces from time to time, but not on great frequency.  I did send
an
> > email to a test list, and attempted to time when I would see my email
> > address in the post log, but after 10 minutes I have not seen it.  This
> > really confuses me, because the mail system on this server delivers mail
> > directly to a mailbox in seconds.  Why the delay?
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Richard Barrett" 
> > To: "Andrew Falgout" 
> > Cc: 
> > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 3:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Sendmail horribly slow
> > performance..suggestions please?!?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 12:51  am, Andrew Falgout wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm currently running mailman-2.0.13-1 eith sendmail-8.11.6-25.72.
> > > > Posts
> > > > are processed very fast, but delivery is more than slow.  It takes
1-2
> > > > minutes per post to delivery mail.  Evaluating what is going on in
the
> > > > queue is a little more than cumbersome.  Over the course of 3-4 days
> > > > mails
> > > > have been piling up in the qfiles directory to the tune of 4000
mails
> > > > and
> > > > waiting.  There are mails 3 days old waiting to go out.  I'm looking
> > > > for
> > > > ways to evaluate what is in the queue, why it's in the queue, and
how
> > > > to
> > > > tell qrunner to report more information on what it's thinking.  Like
> > > > perhaps the msgid of the email it's trying to process at this time.
> > > >
> > > Are you using the local sendmail instance as the outgoing SMTP server?
> > >
> > > Regardless, what do the Mailman post, smtp and smtp-failure logs show
> > > about mail being handled by the system. How does this tie in with the
> > > MTA's mail log.
> > >
> > > If your outgoing mail is being handled by the local sendmail MTA then
I
> > > would normally expect Mailman to handoff to the MTA without much
delay.
> > > If MM is having problems handing off to sendmail then you might find
> > > some evidence of this in the smtp-failure log.
> > > > -- 
> > > > Thank You,
> > > > Andrew
> > > >
> > >
> -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-
> > > > +-+-+-
> > > > -      Andrew Wilson Falgout (RHCE)               Linux, E Pluribus
> > > > UNIX!  -
> > > > -      Systems Admin  II, TIU               Office:  (601) 266-5603
> > > >     -
> > > > -      University of Southern Mississippi
> > > >     -
> > > > -                                              Fax:  (601) 266-6788
> > > >     -
> > >
> -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> > > > +-+-+-+
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > Searchable Archives:
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > >
> > > This message was sent to: andrew.falgout at usm.edu
> > > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> > >
> >
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> >
> >
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From besecker at southernunionco.com  Mon Aug 25 16:31:01 2003
From: besecker at southernunionco.com (Jeff Besecker)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:31:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending images
Message-ID: 

I am trying to send out a message through Mailman 2.1.2 (on RedHat 7.1)
which contains an embedded image.  We use Novell's Groupwise for mail. 
If I send the message through Mailman it comes back with the embedded
image as an attachment. If I send the message straight through GW the
message is received intact.  If I send the same message to Yahoo the
message displays fine so nothing is happening in GW. 
 
Does anyone know what might be happening on the receiving end or in
Mailman that would cause this to occur, and how to fix it?  If it cannot
be configured to allow this, does anyone know of any other list server
software that would?
 
Thank you


From john at hdnet.org  Sun Aug 24 12:53:03 2003
From: john at hdnet.org (John Kromodimedjo)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:53:03 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Developers
Message-ID: 

Hi all,

 

Our company is looking for Mailman developers to help us to setup our Forums
project. We are based in Thailand so anyone who knows somebody in the region
that can help us is most appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

John

 

 

_________________________ 
John Kromodimedjo 
ICT Programme Officer 
Health and Development Networks 
Chiang Mai, Thailand 

 



From Daniel.Buchmann at bibsys.no  Sun Aug 24 19:30:36 2003
From: Daniel.Buchmann at bibsys.no (Daniel Buchmann)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:30:36 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Held messages for approval
In-Reply-To: <3F439EEB.3A4C87AB@isu.edu>
References: <3F439EEB.3A4C87AB@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <1061677491.2098.5.camel@fornax.hjemme.bibsys.no>

On Wed, 2003-08-20 at 18:16, Kory Wheatley wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I have a question about the removal of held messages, is there a way to
> automatically remove held messages that have been in a mailing list for
> a certain number of days ( I have been going in to /home/mailman/data
> and using the "rm" command on messages that I  know are spam, or a worm
> virus like SOBIG). The reason I ask is, it creates quite a bit of disk
> space when moderators have not gone in and either "approved" or
> "discarded" the held messages, so I would like to have something go in
> and check how long a message has been out there and if it's out there
> past a certain number of days I would like it removed.

Kory,

I believe you could benefit greatly from Tokio Kikuchi's excellent auto_discard script.
You can find it in the SF patches-tracker under patch id #636412:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=636412&group_id=103&atid=300103

:)
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From alias2 at crotchett.com  Mon Aug 25 04:45:28 2003
From: alias2 at crotchett.com (Darren)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:45:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrong email address on "Welcome" page
Message-ID: <056101c36ab2$f1f20980$6401a8c0@crotchett.com>

I have Mailman running on a FreeBSD box.  On the "welcome" page
(http://www.usmstudent.com/mailman/listinfo/) the email address it points
users to who have "questions or comments" is wrong.  It includes a "www." in
the domain.  I can not figure out where to change this.  I did find a file
that I can edit by hand.  But, I don't think hacking it is the answer.

So, can anyone tell me what the appropriate way change this to take the
"www." out of the email address would be?

TIA,
Darren




From info at mi-harness.com  Fri Aug 22 20:19:53 2003
From: info at mi-harness.com (info at mi-harness.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:19:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Accessing Mailman webpages
Message-ID: <009701c368d9$fd3c8660$22b3fea9@g1u3v7>

Hello,
          I'm hoping somebody might help and I apologize for cross posting.

I have three lists which are run via the Mailman software through my webhost.
One of the lists ( http://64.21.80.14/mailman/listinfo/standardbreds_mi-harness.com ) info page.

My browser is IE 5.0 with Cookies enabled, although I've had some other security options set for some time. ALL this worked as designed until the recent design change in the Mailman webpages.
 After that, although I may enter the entry page, I'm unable to log in. 
The result (as best as I can describe,) is near a 404 page without actually being a 404 error.

I am able to access my lists administration on another computer with IE 6.0

I"m hoping it's possible to determine what changes were made in the page design which prevent my administrational access with IE 5.0, since updating browsers is not a real option.
 If I may determine the settings change, I might be able to correct the problem.

Thanks in advance for your assitance.   
 
                    Best          Don





From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon Aug 25 16:52:18 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:52:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Sendmail horribly slow
	performance..suggestions please?!?
In-Reply-To: <006501c36b0c$b6db70c0$ebac5f83@andynotebook>
Message-ID: 


On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 02:28  pm, Andrew Falgout wrote:

> The error log is at 0 bytes.  I have not overridden the Defaults.py  
> which
> shows Defaults.py:MTA_ALIASES_STYLE = 'sendmail'.  So I assume that  
> means
> that sendmail is the MTA.
You will be using SMTP to the local MTA (which you say is Sendmail) if  
the following MM config variables are set as follows in either  
mm_cfg.py or the Defaults.py file. The following are th standard MM  
2.0.13 default values:

DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
SMTPHOST = 'localhost'

Also are the following default values still in place:

SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500
MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS = 0

>
> Aug 25 08:08:31 2003 (27798) smtp for 2 recips, completed in 1.045  
> seconds
> Aug 25 08:08:31 2003 (27798) smtp for 2 recips, completed in 1.149  
> seconds
> Aug 25 08:12:47 2003 (27798) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.208  
> seconds
> Aug 25 08:12:47 2003 (27798) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.241  
> seconds
> Aug 25 08:14:25 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.701  
> seconds
> Aug 25 08:14:25 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.716  
> seconds
> Aug 25 08:17:21 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.167  
> seconds
> Aug 25 08:17:21 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.179  
> seconds
> Aug 25 08:19:34 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 3.962  
> seconds
> Aug 25 08:19:34 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 4.234  
> seconds
>
> This is just a few of the lines in my /var/log/mailman/smtp file.   
> There are
> a few bounces from time to time, but not on great frequency.  I did  
> send an
> email to a test list, and attempted to time when I would see my email
> address in the post log, but after 10 minutes I have not seen it.  This
> really confuses me, because the mail system on this server delivers  
> mail
> directly to a mailbox in seconds.  Why the delay?
>
I am going to assume that you had not made the edit to  
$prefix/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py I suggested in one of my  
response and that these log entries are the regular ones?

Bear in mind that the number in brackets in these log entries - (27798)  
for instance - is the process id of the qurnner handling the message  
and the same qrunner is handling multiple messages.

The smtp log entries are interesting if you have a large backlog of  
messages in the qfiles directory because:

1. only a few recipients are being delivered for each log entry. Are  
your mailing list that sparely populated for subscribers? Do these smtp  
log entries tie in with post entries for lists with few members and  
/var/log/mail entries for outgoing mail through the MTA?

2. quite long periods - 2, 3, 4 minutes in the sample log entries you  
give - elapse between log entries. But the log entries are for the same  
process so it has been continuing to run during these pregnant pauses.  
But what is it doing?

Some thoughts. Mailman's qrunner can get slow if it is:

a. archiving and

b. the messages for a list are large messages and/or

c.  the number of messages in the current archive of a list is large.

On the other hand, the pregnant pauses could be because MM is  
encountering long delays when opening SMTP connections to the MTA.

What sort of shape are the traffic/lists that MM is handling.

If you can catch the qrunner at it then maybe strace will give you some  
idea of what is doing: waiting on a socket open to the MTA maybe.

Another possibility is if by some means a bunch of lists have got  
orphaned locks over them so that the qrunner is spinning its wheels  
trying to find a list it can operate on. Does anything indicative of  
this show up in the $prefix/locks directory.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Barrett" 
> To: "Andrew Falgout" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 3:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Sendmail horribly slow
> performance..suggestions please?!?
>
>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 12:51  am, Andrew Falgout wrote:
>>
>>> I'm currently running mailman-2.0.13-1 eith sendmail-8.11.6-25.72.
>>> Posts
>>> are processed very fast, but delivery is more than slow.  It takes  
>>> 1-2
>>> minutes per post to delivery mail.  Evaluating what is going on in  
>>> the
>>> queue is a little more than cumbersome.  Over the course of 3-4 days
>>> mails
>>> have been piling up in the qfiles directory to the tune of 4000 mails
>>> and
>>> waiting.  There are mails 3 days old waiting to go out.  I'm looking
>>> for
>>> ways to evaluate what is in the queue, why it's in the queue, and how
>>> to
>>> tell qrunner to report more information on what it's thinking.  Like
>>> perhaps the msgid of the email it's trying to process at this time.
>>>
>> Are you using the local sendmail instance as the outgoing SMTP server?
>>
>> Regardless, what do the Mailman post, smtp and smtp-failure logs show
>> about mail being handled by the system. How does this tie in with the
>> MTA's mail log.
>>
>> If your outgoing mail is being handled by the local sendmail MTA then  
>> I
>> would normally expect Mailman to handoff to the MTA without much  
>> delay.
>> If MM is having problems handing off to sendmail then you might find
>> some evidence of this in the smtp-failure log.
>>> --  
>>> Thank You,
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>> -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+- 
>>> +-
>>> +-+-+-
>>> -      Andrew Wilson Falgout (RHCE)               Linux, E Pluribus
>>> UNIX!  -
>>> -      Systems Admin  II, TIU               Office:  (601) 266-5603
>>>     -
>>> -      University of Southern Mississippi
>>>     -
>>> -                                              Fax:  (601) 266-6788
>>>     -
>>> -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
>>> +-+-+-+
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Aug 25 17:02:21 2003
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:02:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrong email address on "Welcome" page
In-Reply-To: <056101c36ab2$f1f20980$6401a8c0@crotchett.com>
Message-ID: <20F14A30-D70D-11D7-8FE9-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>


On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 03:45  am, Darren wrote:

> I have Mailman running on a FreeBSD box.  On the "welcome" page
> (http://www.usmstudent.com/mailman/listinfo/) the email address it 
> points
> users to who have "questions or comments" is wrong.  It includes a 
> "www." in
> the domain.  I can not figure out where to change this.  I did find a 
> file
> that I can edit by hand.  But, I don't think hacking it is the answer.
>
> So, can anyone tell me what the appropriate way change this to take the
> "www." out of the email address would be?
>
Check the FAQ Luke, check the FAQ:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp
> TIA,
> Darren




From gerard at linuxfromscratch.org  Mon Aug 25 17:21:28 2003
From: gerard at linuxfromscratch.org (Gerard Beekmans)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:21:28 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Global blacklist?
Message-ID: <1061824883.2686.4.camel@lorien.linuxfromscratch.org>

Hi guys,

I've been looking for a global blacklist or spam filter. I know how to
add addresses and regexes on a per list basis, but this gets real
tedious if I want to ban something from all the lists I'm running on the
server. Is there a global list?

I found this KNOWN_SPAMMERS variable but it doesn't work for me. Maybe
I'm using it the wrong way. Here's what I've added to Mailman/mm_cfg.py:

KNOWN_SPAMMERS = [('subject', 'test')]

I send an email with subject 'test' to any of the lists and they aren't
blocked. What am I doing wrong?

-- 
Gerard Beekmans
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org
http://www.beekmansworld.com

/* Linux Consultant --- OSDN / DevChannel *
 * Technical Writer --- CheapBytes        */

/* If Linux doesn't have the solution, you have the wrong problem */





From Andrew.Falgout at usm.edu  Mon Aug 25 17:22:32 2003
From: Andrew.Falgout at usm.edu (Andrew Falgout)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:22:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Sendmail horribly
	slowperformance..suggestions please?!?
References: 
Message-ID: <01c001c36b1c$b47a5c00$ebac5f83@andynotebook>

I have not modified the default values in the SMTPDirect module or
Defaults.py.  If I could get qrunner to tell me anything about what
message(s) it is working I could tell you how many recipients were on that
list.  Each list in the current system should be no more than 2-5 people.
We moved over a small subset of mailing lists from the older majordomo
server.  However, there are some lists with several hundres recipients on it
that will be moving in the future when these issues get worked out.

Orphaned locks?
(ocean) root $ ls -lt
(~mailman/locks)
total 16
-rw-rw-r--    2 mailman  mailman        55 Aug 25  2003 qrunner.lock
-rw-rw-r--    2 mailman  mailman        55 Aug 25  2003
qrunner.lock.ocean.otr.usm.edu.16302
-rw-rw-r--    2 mailman  mailman        62 Aug 25  2003 gifted.studies.lock
-rw-rw-r--    2 mailman  mailman        62 Aug 25  2003
gifted.studies.lock.ocean.otr.usm.edu.16302

smtp log
Aug 25 10:16:47 2003 (16302) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.400 seconds
Aug 25 10:16:47 2003 (16302) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 3.799 seconds
Aug 25 10:16:49 2003 (16302) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.968 seconds
Aug 25 10:16:49 2003 (16302) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.990 seconds

I'm guessing this would mean that there are not any orphaned locks.  When I
restart qrunner by hand, I kill the proces and remove all the locks from the
locks directory.

I thought the 3.799 seconds in the smtp log was qrunner telling you how long
it took to send the mail through the MTA.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Barrett" 
To: "Andrew Falgout" 
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Sendmail horribly
slowperformance..suggestions please?!?


>
> On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 02:28  pm, Andrew Falgout wrote:
>
> > The error log is at 0 bytes.  I have not overridden the Defaults.py
> > which
> > shows Defaults.py:MTA_ALIASES_STYLE = 'sendmail'.  So I assume that
> > means
> > that sendmail is the MTA.
> You will be using SMTP to the local MTA (which you say is Sendmail) if
> the following MM config variables are set as follows in either
> mm_cfg.py or the Defaults.py file. The following are th standard MM
> 2.0.13 default values:
>
> DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
> SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
>
> Also are the following default values still in place:
>
> SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500
> MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS = 0
>
> >
> > Aug 25 08:08:31 2003 (27798) smtp for 2 recips, completed in 1.045
> > seconds
> > Aug 25 08:08:31 2003 (27798) smtp for 2 recips, completed in 1.149
> > seconds
> > Aug 25 08:12:47 2003 (27798) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.208
> > seconds
> > Aug 25 08:12:47 2003 (27798) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.241
> > seconds
> > Aug 25 08:14:25 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.701
> > seconds
> > Aug 25 08:14:25 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.716
> > seconds
> > Aug 25 08:17:21 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.167
> > seconds
> > Aug 25 08:17:21 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.179
> > seconds
> > Aug 25 08:19:34 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 3.962
> > seconds
> > Aug 25 08:19:34 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 4.234
> > seconds
> >
> > This is just a few of the lines in my /var/log/mailman/smtp file.
> > There are
> > a few bounces from time to time, but not on great frequency.  I did
> > send an
> > email to a test list, and attempted to time when I would see my email
> > address in the post log, but after 10 minutes I have not seen it.  This
> > really confuses me, because the mail system on this server delivers
> > mail
> > directly to a mailbox in seconds.  Why the delay?
> >
> I am going to assume that you had not made the edit to
> $prefix/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py I suggested in one of my
> response and that these log entries are the regular ones?
>
> Bear in mind that the number in brackets in these log entries - (27798)
> for instance - is the process id of the qurnner handling the message
> and the same qrunner is handling multiple messages.
>
> The smtp log entries are interesting if you have a large backlog of
> messages in the qfiles directory because:
>
> 1. only a few recipients are being delivered for each log entry. Are
> your mailing list that sparely populated for subscribers? Do these smtp
> log entries tie in with post entries for lists with few members and
> /var/log/mail entries for outgoing mail through the MTA?
>
> 2. quite long periods - 2, 3, 4 minutes in the sample log entries you
> give - elapse between log entries. But the log entries are for the same
> process so it has been continuing to run during these pregnant pauses.
> But what is it doing?
>
> Some thoughts. Mailman's qrunner can get slow if it is:
>
> a. archiving and
>
> b. the messages for a list are large messages and/or
>
> c.  the number of messages in the current archive of a list is large.
>
> On the other hand, the pregnant pauses could be because MM is
> encountering long delays when opening SMTP connections to the MTA.
>
> What sort of shape are the traffic/lists that MM is handling.
>
> If you can catch the qrunner at it then maybe strace will give you some
> idea of what is doing: waiting on a socket open to the MTA maybe.
>
> Another possibility is if by some means a bunch of lists have got
> orphaned locks over them so that the qrunner is spinning its wheels
> trying to find a list it can operate on. Does anything indicative of
> this show up in the $prefix/locks directory.
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard Barrett" 
> > To: "Andrew Falgout" 
> > Cc: 
> > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 3:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Sendmail horribly slow
> > performance..suggestions please?!?
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 12:51  am, Andrew Falgout wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm currently running mailman-2.0.13-1 eith sendmail-8.11.6-25.72.
> >>> Posts
> >>> are processed very fast, but delivery is more than slow.  It takes
> >>> 1-2
> >>> minutes per post to delivery mail.  Evaluating what is going on in
> >>> the
> >>> queue is a little more than cumbersome.  Over the course of 3-4 days
> >>> mails
> >>> have been piling up in the qfiles directory to the tune of 4000 mails
> >>> and
> >>> waiting.  There are mails 3 days old waiting to go out.  I'm looking
> >>> for
> >>> ways to evaluate what is in the queue, why it's in the queue, and how
> >>> to
> >>> tell qrunner to report more information on what it's thinking.  Like
> >>> perhaps the msgid of the email it's trying to process at this time.
> >>>
> >> Are you using the local sendmail instance as the outgoing SMTP server?
> >>
> >> Regardless, what do the Mailman post, smtp and smtp-failure logs show
> >> about mail being handled by the system. How does this tie in with the
> >> MTA's mail log.
> >>
> >> If your outgoing mail is being handled by the local sendmail MTA then
> >> I
> >> would normally expect Mailman to handoff to the MTA without much
> >> delay.
> >> If MM is having problems handing off to sendmail then you might find
> >> some evidence of this in the smtp-failure log.
> >>> -- 
> >>> Thank You,
> >>> Andrew
> >>>
> >>> -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-
> >>> +-
> >>> +-+-+-
> >>> -      Andrew Wilson Falgout (RHCE)               Linux, E Pluribus
> >>> UNIX!  -
> >>> -      Systems Admin  II, TIU               Office:  (601) 266-5603
> >>>     -
> >>> -      University of Southern Mississippi
> >>>     -
> >>> -                                              Fax:  (601) 266-6788
> >>>     -
> >>> -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> >>> +-+-+-+
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk
>
>
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From gerard at linuxfromscratch.org  Mon Aug 25 17:23:04 2003
From: gerard at linuxfromscratch.org (Gerard Beekmans)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:23:04 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting to receive both individual posts and
	digests?
Message-ID: <1061824978.2686.7.camel@lorien.linuxfromscratch.org>

Hi again,

Is there a way to set a user to receive the individual posts as well as
the digests? As the list admin I'd liek to receive digests so I can make
sure they are sent out properly, how many a day and so forth. Right now
when I select the digest option for my email address I cease to receive
the messages as they are posted. I get around this by using a different
email address to receive digests on, but I rather just use the one email
address. Less to remember when upgrading.

-- 
Gerard Beekmans
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org
http://www.beekmansworld.com

/* Linux Consultant --- OSDN / DevChannel *
 * Technical Writer --- CheapBytes        */

/* If Linux doesn't have the solution, you have the wrong problem */





From little at abaqus.com  Mon Aug 25 17:25:17 2003
From: little at abaqus.com (Jim Littlefield)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:25:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Global blacklist?
In-Reply-To: <1061824883.2686.4.camel@lorien.linuxfromscratch.org>
References: <1061824883.2686.4.camel@lorien.linuxfromscratch.org>
Message-ID: <3F4A2A5D.4030109@abaqus.com>

Gerard Beekmans wrote:

>Hi guys,
>
>I've been looking for a global blacklist or spam filter. I know how to
>add addresses and regexes on a per list basis, but this gets real
>tedious if I want to ban something from all the lists I'm running on the
>server. Is there a global list?
>
>I found this KNOWN_SPAMMERS variable but it doesn't work for me. Maybe
>I'm using it the wrong way. Here's what I've added to Mailman/mm_cfg.py:
>
>KNOWN_SPAMMERS = [('subject', 'test')]
>
>I send an email with subject 'test' to any of the lists and they aren't
>blocked. What am I doing wrong?
>  
>
Block the spam with your mail server, not within Mailman.

-- 
Jim Littlefield                 "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja
                                 vu at the same time. I think I've 
                                 forgotten this before." - Steven Wright





From morgan at hahaha.org  Mon Aug 25 17:50:14 2003
From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 08:50:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Clearing out admin messages
Message-ID: <87ptitspmx.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>

Our spam filter seems to have sprung a leak, and one of our lists (mailman
2.0.8) now has over 1000 messages in the admin queue. We'd like to just
clear it out without using the web interface. I searched for the solution
but could not find it. How can we clear that queue en masse?

We'll upgrade to the latest mailman when I find some free time.

Thanks,

Morgan



From raywood at magma.ca  Mon Aug 25 18:12:10 2003
From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:12:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Clearing out admin messages
In-Reply-To: <87ptitspmx.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>
References: <87ptitspmx.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>
Message-ID: <20030825161210.GA32018@magma.ca>

On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 08:50:14AM -0700, Morgan Fletcher remarked:
> Our spam filter seems to have sprung a leak, and one of our
> lists (mailman 2.0.8) now has over 1000 messages in the admin
> queue. We'd like to just clear it out without using the web
> interface. I searched for the solution but could not find it.
> How can we clear that queue en masse?
> 
> We'll upgrade to the latest mailman when I find some free
> time.
> 
> Thanks,
> Morgan

Google for a perl script called 'mladmin'.  Worked for us.

BTW, this should be added to the Mailman FAQ, where the existing
instructions appear to be rather outdated.

Have Fun, 
Raymond



From mhm at austin.ibm.com  Mon Aug 25 18:22:24 2003
From: mhm at austin.ibm.com (Michael H Moran)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:22:24 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring Moderators -- help
Message-ID: <1061828398.28949.1.camel@localhost>

Just upgraded to 2.1.2 and am trying to get moderators working, thus far
without success.

Anyone have some pointers to docs, faqs, howtos or just
sage words of wisdom ?

Thanks in advance.
Mike




From fingers at fingers.co.za  Mon Aug 25 18:27:50 2003
From: fingers at fingers.co.za (fingers)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:27:50 +0200 (SAST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with disappearing mail to some lists
Message-ID: <20030825181216.R9326@snow.fingers.co.za>

hi

i seem to be having a problem with 1 or 2 specific lists. i'm using
mailman 2.1.2 on FreeBSD 5.1.

since last night after a spontaneous reboot, mail to some of my lists (not
all) isn't working. i've tried creating a new list, this works fine too.

could it be that a file (which doesn't get checked by check_db or
check_perms) is corrupt?

from my maillog I see:

Aug 25 00:09:59 snow postfix/local[40951]: 67AD617023:
to=, orig_to=,
relay=local, delay=4, status=sent
("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mylist")

I've checked
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp
regarding the issue, but don't find anything glaringly obvious.

no mailman logs even show mailman receiving the messages.

i'm not really sure where else to look.

any help appreciated.

Regards

--Rob



From gerard at linuxfromscratch.org  Mon Aug 25 18:46:53 2003
From: gerard at linuxfromscratch.org (Gerard Beekmans)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:46:53 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Global blacklist?
In-Reply-To: <3F4A2A5D.4030109@abaqus.com>
References: <1061824883.2686.4.camel@lorien.linuxfromscratch.org>
	<3F4A2A5D.4030109@abaqus.com>
Message-ID: <1061830007.2687.27.camel@lorien.linuxfromscratch.org>

On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 09:25, Jim Littlefield wrote:
> Block the spam with your mail server, not within Mailman.

Spam is tagged on my mailserver, not blocked (in case of false
positives). When creating a new list, the proper spamassassin headers
are already entered in the list's spam protection. But, not all spam is
tagged as spam. Sometimes SMTP servers bounce back to the list rather
than to the proper bounce address, so I need those blocked too. I can't
simply add .*postmaster.* and .*mailer-daemon.* to the spam checker at
the SMTP level, then legitimate bounces will get tagged as well.

Besides, if something gets blocked by Mailman you get the option,
through the admindb program, to discard the message and add that sender
to an auto-discard list. But that is a list specific list too; how about
when I want to add such a person to the auto discard of all lists on the
system?

I'm simply asking if there's a global blacklist. There are individual
list blacklists, there must be a way to make it global? 

-- 
Gerard Beekmans
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org
http://www.beekmansworld.com

/* Linux Consultant --- OSDN / DevChannel *
 * Technical Writer --- CheapBytes        */

/* If Linux doesn't have the solution, you have the wrong problem */





From paul at thcwd.com  Mon Aug 25 19:02:33 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:02:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: But really now.  HTDig... 
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825120151.02668d58@mail.thcwd.com>

Warren Woodward wrote:
>So the question is, what else is there?  Anything?  I'm scared to ask,
>because I'm fairly certain that htdig is being pushed for lack of anything
>better.

      Having just installed htdig I am wondering what your problem with it 
is?  Perhaps the install is incomplete?  I have one list where I have not 
yet modified the archive pages to NOT index the subject heading of the next 
and last post, and the results for a search are therefore pretty 
useless.  But that was my fault, and when I fix it they results will be 
much better.  If you install htdig on a system with existing lists you will 
need to make some changes to several files in existing lists before it will 
work right.  I'm just now doing this, so I can't give you the details.
      The other things is that htdig is very powerful, and as is the case 
with most things the more powerful it is the more understanding a person 
has to have to make it do what they want.  We have been made lazy by places 
like Google that allow us to do "+ big + dog" instead of "big AND dog", and 
a lot of folks have no clue what an Boolean operand is.

      I have not yet looked, but I suspect there is a good little how to 
that I can link to for my users.  By offering them some information on how 
to harness the real power of htdig I will save myself a lot of hassle!


<>< Paul, who is getting fed up with the Eudora bug that trashes headers if 
a period is at the end of the subject line ... 




From pmalone1 at swarthmore.edu  Mon Aug 25 19:15:35 2003
From: pmalone1 at swarthmore.edu (Tricia Maloney)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:15:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing text
Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20030825131509.031089f8@mail.swarthmore.edu>

OK, this is a stupid question. However, I need to know. How do I edit the 
page that has all of the lists on it? I know I can edit individual pages on 
specific lists, but need to edit the list page.



Tricia Maloney
Assistant Director of Alumni Relations
Swarthmore College
500 College Avenue
Swarthmore, PA 19081
(610) 328-8404
http://www.Swarthmore.edu





From pmalone1 at swarthmore.edu  Mon Aug 25 19:19:17 2003
From: pmalone1 at swarthmore.edu (Tricia Maloney)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:19:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Text Editing
Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20030825131905.030fc548@mail.swarthmore.edu>

OK, this is a stupid question. However, I need to know. How do I edit the 
page that has all of the lists on it? I know I can edit individual pages on 
specific lists, but need to edit the list page.


Tricia Maloney
Assistant Director of Alumni Relations
Swarthmore College
500 College Avenue
Swarthmore, PA 19081
(610) 328-8404
http://www.Swarthmore.edu





From tma at it.dk  Mon Aug 25 19:45:09 2003
From: tma at it.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Thomas_M=F8ller_Andersen?=)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:45:09 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list administration
Message-ID: <33074.10.0.1.18.1061833509.squirrel@tma-home.dk>

Hi,

I'm managing a list with mailman version 2.0.1. Recently the list has been
bombarded - so much that i can't manage it through the web interface. How
do I clean out all the spam-postings from the command line? We're talking
about 4000 postings...

Thanks in advance.

Thomas





From raywood at magma.ca  Mon Aug 25 19:55:19 2003
From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:55:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list administration
In-Reply-To: <33074.10.0.1.18.1061833509.squirrel@tma-home.dk>
References: <33074.10.0.1.18.1061833509.squirrel@tma-home.dk>
Message-ID: <20030825175519.GE32018@magma.ca>

On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 07:45:09PM +0200, Thomas M?ller Andersen remarked:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm managing a list with mailman version 2.0.1. Recently the
> list has been bombarded - so much that i can't manage it
> through the web interface. How do I clean out all the
> spam-postings from the command line? We're talking about 4000
> postings...
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Thomas

/me whispers... mladmin ...

Have Fun, 
Raymond
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From msheldon at desertraven.com  Mon Aug 25 20:01:41 2003
From: msheldon at desertraven.com (Michael Sheldon)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:01:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Non-member post to members-only list auto-approved?
Message-ID: 

I had a strange thing happen the other day that is either a bug in Mailman's
(v2.1.2) handling of members only lists, or is a bug in the logging of
posts.

A member of one of my lists used the "Email Story" link on Yahoo news to
mail a news story to the mailing list. This went straight to the list
without being held for approval. The From: address was
refertofriend at reply.yahoo.com, definitely not a memeber of the list. The
only way I knew that it had anything to do with a valid subscriber is
because Yahoo was nice enough to put the person's email address in the body
of the message:

"censored (censored at yahoo.com) has sent you a news article. (Email address
has not been verified.)"

Otherwise, there was no sign of a valid subscriber's address either in the
message headers or in the mailman logs. The logs only show the
refertofriend at reply.yahoo.com address. I have to assume that the envelope
sender was actually my subscriber's address, but that's purely an assumption
on my part, since there's no actual evidence of it.


IMO, If mailman is going to approve posts based on the envelope sender, then
it REALLY needs to both log the envelope sender, and set the "on behalf of"
part of the address to the envelope sender, not the From: header line


Michael J. Sheldon
http://www.desertraven.com/
Make a fast friend, adopt a greyhound!




From cjl at QNET.COM  Mon Aug 25 20:04:35 2003
From: cjl at QNET.COM (Chris Linstruth)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:04:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Description in verify.txt
Message-ID: 

I need to have the subscription confirmation (templates/verify.txt)
for a list be a little more descriptive as to the list being subscribed.

I tried adding %(description)s to the template but it doesn't get
replaced with the list description content.

Is this possible in 2.1.2?

-- 
Chris Linstruth 





From cwieland at uci.edu  Mon Aug 25 20:18:08 2003
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:18:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] install compatibility
Message-ID: <7A77E8DC-D728-11D7-9A91-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>

Hello

I'm trying to install

Python-2.2.3 and apache2 with mailman 2.1.2 but I'm having trouble 
running install. Has anyone tried this? I think it should work from the 
requirements I've seen.

Con Wieland
UC Irvine




From tma at it.dk  Mon Aug 25 20:31:41 2003
From: tma at it.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Thomas_M=F8ller_Andersen?=)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:31:41 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list administration
In-Reply-To: <20030825175519.GE32018@magma.ca>
References: <33074.10.0.1.18.1061833509.squirrel@tma-home.dk>
	<20030825175519.GE32018@magma.ca>
Message-ID: <33211.10.0.1.18.1061836301.squirrel@tma-home.dk>

Thanks. I tried, but i'm unable to use the mladmin-script. I'm on an old
solaris and it seems like i'm missing perl modules. Can't locate
HTML/Entities.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ....

Any alternatives?

Thomas

> On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 07:45:09PM +0200, Thomas M?ller Andersen
> remarked:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm managing a list with mailman version 2.0.1. Recently the
>> list has been bombarded - so much that i can't manage it
>> through the web interface. How do I clean out all the
>> spam-postings from the command line? We're talking about 4000
>> postings...
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Thomas
>
> /me whispers... mladmin ...
>
> Have Fun,
> Raymond





From mailman at epic.org  Mon Aug 25 21:33:00 2003
From: mailman at epic.org (postal worker)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:33:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Clearing out admin messages
In-Reply-To: <87ptitspmx.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>
References: <87ptitspmx.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>
Message-ID: 

At 8:50 -0700 2003:08:25, Morgan Fletcher wrote:
>Our spam filter seems to have sprung a leak, and one of our lists (mailman
>2.0.8) now has over 1000 messages in the admin queue. We'd like to just
>clear it out without using the web interface. I searched for the solution
>but could not find it. How can we clear that queue en masse?

I use the brute force of going to /var/lib/mailman/data/  & rm'ing 
all the heldmsg* files for a list.

Then, when you enter the web interface, it will tell you that request 
is missing but otherwise not complain.



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon Aug 25 23:05:22 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:05:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Sendmail horribly
	slowperformance..suggestions please?!?
Message-ID: 

for closure of this topic:

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Andrew Falgout" 
> Date: Mon Aug 25, 2003  8:22:05  pm Europe/London
> To: "Richard Barrett" 
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Sendmail horribly  
> slowperformance..suggestions please?!?
> Reply-To: "Andrew Falgout" 
>
> Problem solved.  It was archiving.  That's all I needed was to figure  
> out
> what it was pausing on.  I turned off archival and informed my manager  
> that
> the overhead associated with it would be too much for the system to  
> bear.
> It is FLYING through the queued mails now and delivering them now.
>
> Been a lifesaver, and THANKS!!!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Barrett" 
> To: "Andrew Falgout" 
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 12:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Sendmail horribly
> slowperformance..suggestions please?!?
>
>
>>
>> On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 04:22  pm, Andrew Falgout wrote:
>>
>>> I have not modified the default values in the SMTPDirect module or
>>> Defaults.py.  If I could get qrunner to tell me anything about what
>>> message(s) it is working I could tell you how many recipients were on
>>> that
>>> list.  Each list in the current system should be no more than 2-5
>>> people.
>>> We moved over a small subset of mailing lists from the older  
>>> majordomo
>>> server.  However, there are some lists with several hundres  
>>> recipients
>>> on it
>>> that will be moving in the future when these issues get worked out.
>>>
>>> Orphaned locks?
>>> (ocean) root $ ls -lt
>>> (~mailman/locks)
>>> total 16
>>> -rw-rw-r--    2 mailman  mailman        55 Aug 25  2003 qrunner.lock
>>> -rw-rw-r--    2 mailman  mailman        55 Aug 25  2003
>>> qrunner.lock.ocean.otr.usm.edu.16302
>>> -rw-rw-r--    2 mailman  mailman        62 Aug 25  2003
>>> gifted.studies.lock
>>> -rw-rw-r--    2 mailman  mailman        62 Aug 25  2003
>>> gifted.studies.lock.ocean.otr.usm.edu.16302
>>>
>>> smtp log
>>> Aug 25 10:16:47 2003 (16302) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.400
>>> seconds
>>> Aug 25 10:16:47 2003 (16302) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 3.799
>>> seconds
>>> Aug 25 10:16:49 2003 (16302) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.968
>>> seconds
>>> Aug 25 10:16:49 2003 (16302) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.990
>>> seconds
>>>
>>> I'm guessing this would mean that there are not any orphaned locks.
>>> When I
>>> restart qrunner by hand, I kill the proces and remove all the locks
>>> from the
>>> locks directory.
>>>
>>> I thought the 3.799 seconds in the smtp log was qrunner telling you
>>> how long
>>> it took to send the mail through the MTA.
>>>
>> Mailman's qrunner process  each message through a pipeline.
>>
>> Attached is a modified version of the file
>> $prefix/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py
>>
>> This logs extra information about the progress of each message through
>> the pipeline into the smtp log. This may give some insight as to where
>> the qrunner is spending its time.
>>
>> The changes in the revised file are as follows:
>>
>> /Users/richard/development/mailman-htdig/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/ 
>> Handlers
>> bash-2.05a$ diff -u HandlerAPI.py.orig HandlerAPI.py
>> --- HandlerAPI.py.orig  Mon Aug 25 17:58:17 2003
>> +++ HandlerAPI.py       Mon Aug 25 18:06:01 2003
>> @@ -73,10 +73,12 @@
>>
>>
>>
>>   def do_pipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline):
>> +    t0x = t1x = t2x = time.time()
>>       while pipeline:
>>           modname = pipeline.pop(0)
>>           mod = __import__('Mailman.Handlers.' + modname)
>>           func = getattr(getattr(getattr(mod, 'Handlers'), modname),
>> 'process')
>> +        t1x = time.time()
>>           try:
>>               pid = os.getpid()
>>               func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>> @@ -138,6 +140,10 @@
>>               traceback.print_exc(file=s)
>>               syslog('error', s.getvalue())
>>               break
>> +        t2x = time.time()
>> +        syslog('smtp', 'do_pipeline: list %s, modname %s, startat
>> %.3f, durn %.3f' %
>> +               (mlist.internal_name(), modname, (t1x-t0x),  
>> (t2x-t1x)))
>> +        t1x = t2x
>>       return pipeline
>>
>>
>> The revised files is:
>>
>>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> -----
> ----
>
>
>>
>>
>> About the best I can do to help.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Richard Barrett" 
>>> To: "Andrew Falgout" 
>>> Cc: 
>>> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 9:52 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Sendmail horribly
>>> slowperformance..suggestions please?!?
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 02:28  pm, Andrew Falgout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The error log is at 0 bytes.  I have not overridden the Defaults.py
>>>>> which
>>>>> shows Defaults.py:MTA_ALIASES_STYLE = 'sendmail'.  So I assume that
>>>>> means
>>>>> that sendmail is the MTA.
>>>> You will be using SMTP to the local MTA (which you say is Sendmail)  
>>>> if
>>>> the following MM config variables are set as follows in either
>>>> mm_cfg.py or the Defaults.py file. The following are th standard MM
>>>> 2.0.13 default values:
>>>>
>>>> DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
>>>> SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
>>>>
>>>> Also are the following default values still in place:
>>>>
>>>> SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500
>>>> MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS = 0
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Aug 25 08:08:31 2003 (27798) smtp for 2 recips, completed in 1.045
>>>>> seconds
>>>>> Aug 25 08:08:31 2003 (27798) smtp for 2 recips, completed in 1.149
>>>>> seconds
>>>>> Aug 25 08:12:47 2003 (27798) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.208
>>>>> seconds
>>>>> Aug 25 08:12:47 2003 (27798) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.241
>>>>> seconds
>>>>> Aug 25 08:14:25 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.701
>>>>> seconds
>>>>> Aug 25 08:14:25 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.716
>>>>> seconds
>>>>> Aug 25 08:17:21 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.167
>>>>> seconds
>>>>> Aug 25 08:17:21 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.179
>>>>> seconds
>>>>> Aug 25 08:19:34 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 3.962
>>>>> seconds
>>>>> Aug 25 08:19:34 2003 (31184) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 4.234
>>>>> seconds
>>>>>
>>>>> This is just a few of the lines in my /var/log/mailman/smtp file.
>>>>> There are
>>>>> a few bounces from time to time, but not on great frequency.  I did
>>>>> send an
>>>>> email to a test list, and attempted to time when I would see my  
>>>>> email
>>>>> address in the post log, but after 10 minutes I have not seen it.
>>>>> This
>>>>> really confuses me, because the mail system on this server delivers
>>>>> mail
>>>>> directly to a mailbox in seconds.  Why the delay?
>>>>>
>>>> I am going to assume that you had not made the edit to
>>>> $prefix/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py I suggested in one of my
>>>> response and that these log entries are the regular ones?
>>>>
>>>> Bear in mind that the number in brackets in these log entries -
>>>> (27798)
>>>> for instance - is the process id of the qurnner handling the message
>>>> and the same qrunner is handling multiple messages.
>>>>
>>>> The smtp log entries are interesting if you have a large backlog of
>>>> messages in the qfiles directory because:
>>>>
>>>> 1. only a few recipients are being delivered for each log entry. Are
>>>> your mailing list that sparely populated for subscribers? Do these
>>>> smtp
>>>> log entries tie in with post entries for lists with few members and
>>>> /var/log/mail entries for outgoing mail through the MTA?
>>>>
>>>> 2. quite long periods - 2, 3, 4 minutes in the sample log entries  
>>>> you
>>>> give - elapse between log entries. But the log entries are for the
>>>> same
>>>> process so it has been continuing to run during these pregnant  
>>>> pauses.
>>>> But what is it doing?
>>>>
>>>> Some thoughts. Mailman's qrunner can get slow if it is:
>>>>
>>>> a. archiving and
>>>>
>>>> b. the messages for a list are large messages and/or
>>>>
>>>> c.  the number of messages in the current archive of a list is  
>>>> large.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, the pregnant pauses could be because MM is
>>>> encountering long delays when opening SMTP connections to the MTA.
>>>>
>>>> What sort of shape are the traffic/lists that MM is handling.
>>>>
>>>> If you can catch the qrunner at it then maybe strace will give you
>>>> some
>>>> idea of what is doing: waiting on a socket open to the MTA maybe.
>>>>
>>>> Another possibility is if by some means a bunch of lists have got
>>>> orphaned locks over them so that the qrunner is spinning its wheels
>>>> trying to find a list it can operate on. Does anything indicative of
>>>> this show up in the $prefix/locks directory.
>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Richard Barrett" 
>>>>> To: "Andrew Falgout" 
>>>>> Cc: 
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 3:36 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Sendmail horribly slow
>>>>> performance..suggestions please?!?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 12:51  am, Andrew Falgout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm currently running mailman-2.0.13-1 eith  
>>>>>>> sendmail-8.11.6-25.72.
>>>>>>> Posts
>>>>>>> are processed very fast, but delivery is more than slow.  It  
>>>>>>> takes
>>>>>>> 1-2
>>>>>>> minutes per post to delivery mail.  Evaluating what is going on  
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> queue is a little more than cumbersome.  Over the course of 3-4
>>>>>>> days
>>>>>>> mails
>>>>>>> have been piling up in the qfiles directory to the tune of 4000
>>>>>>> mails
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> waiting.  There are mails 3 days old waiting to go out.  I'm
>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> ways to evaluate what is in the queue, why it's in the queue, and
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> tell qrunner to report more information on what it's thinking.
>>>>>>> Like
>>>>>>> perhaps the msgid of the email it's trying to process at this  
>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you using the local sendmail instance as the outgoing SMTP
>>>>>> server?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regardless, what do the Mailman post, smtp and smtp-failure logs
>>>>>> show
>>>>>> about mail being handled by the system. How does this tie in with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> MTA's mail log.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If your outgoing mail is being handled by the local sendmail MTA
>>>>>> then
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> would normally expect Mailman to handoff to the MTA without much
>>>>>> delay.
>>>>>> If MM is having problems handing off to sendmail then you might  
>>>>>> find
>>>>>> some evidence of this in the smtp-failure log.
>>>>>>> -- Thank You,
>>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- 
>>>>>>> +--
>>>>>>> +-
>>>>>>> +-
>>>>>>> +-+-+-
>>>>>>> -      Andrew Wilson Falgout (RHCE)               Linux, E  
>>>>>>> Pluribus
>>>>>>> UNIX!  -
>>>>>>> -      Systems Admin  II, TIU               Office:  (601)  
>>>>>>> 266-5603
>>>>>>>     -
>>>>>>> -      University of Southern Mississippi
>>>>>>>     -
>>>>>>> -                                              Fax:  (601)  
>>>>>>> 266-6788
>>>>>>>     -
>>>>>>> -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
>>>>>>> +-+-
>>>>>>> +-+-+-+
>>>>>>>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From mhm at austin.ibm.com  Mon Aug 25 23:05:52 2003
From: mhm at austin.ibm.com (Michael H Moran)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:05:52 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring Moderators -- help
In-Reply-To: <1061828398.28949.1.camel@localhost>
References: <1061828398.28949.1.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1061845418.29692.5.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 11:19, Michael H Moran wrote:
> Just upgraded to 2.1.2 and am trying to get moderators working, thus far
> without success.
> 
> Anyone have some pointers to docs, faqs, howtos or just
> sage words of wisdom ?
> 
Double checked the configs.. I have moderators listed in the
appropriate panel and have add a password for the moderators, but none
of them can log in..authentication is being denied by the system

Any thoughts on what I have missed ?

Mike




From abigail at webfavor.com  Tue Aug 26 01:54:53 2003
From: abigail at webfavor.com (Abigail Marshall)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:54:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Notify member when post is held for moderation?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1074218389.20030825165453@webfavor.com>


Hello David,

Saturday, August 23, 2003, 10:49:28 AM, you wrote:

DG> Folks:

DG> Anyone know if there is a way to send a member when their post is held for
DG> moderation?

Mailman 2.1.2:

Administration, General Options --

scroll down the page to:
Send mail to poster when their posting is held for approval?

Set to ()Yes.

---

I think this can also be done in 2.0.x (at least the
more recent versions) - - It would help when you post a
question if you mention the version you are working with,
because there are some significant differences in
administrative interface.

-Abigail




From lars.bungum at copyleft.no  Tue Aug 26 13:31:26 2003
From: lars.bungum at copyleft.no (Lars Bungum)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:31:26 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding and removing people pr. email
Message-ID: <1061897452.51543.1398.camel@truth.in.copyleft.no>

Hello,

(apologies if this message was posted doubly, can't seem to find it)

I'm looking to use a Mailman list integrated with another program that
subscribes and removes people from the in accordance with their
involvement in a certain activity.

I thought I could easily do this by letting the program send emails to
the list to add and remove people, but haven't been able to find a way
to do this.  I found how you could request subscribption of membership
via email, but not how the administrator himself (herself) could do this
by supplying the relevant password in a mail.

Is there any way to do this?

-- 
Mvh.
Lars Bungum                             
Copyleft Software AS
Telefon            : +47 22 71 67 00
Telefaks           : +47 92 17 58 13
Mobiltelefon	   : +47 92 04 61 35
Organisasjonsnummer: 982 116 252





From fingers at fingers.co.za  Tue Aug 26 13:37:38 2003
From: fingers at fingers.co.za (fingers)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:37:38 +0200 (SAST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with disappearing mail to some lists
In-Reply-To: <20030825181216.R9326@snow.fingers.co.za>
References: <20030825181216.R9326@snow.fingers.co.za>
Message-ID: <20030826133630.S28427@snow.fingers.co.za>

hi

i've since found a bunch of discarded posts in the 'vette' log.

i found a bunch of mails in the archives with ppl having the same or
similar issues. unfortunately i couldn't find an actual answer to any of
the posts/threads that seems to have yielded possabilities of a fix.

if anyone else has had this problem, or seen the solution to it, i'd be
most grateful for your assistance.

thanks

--Rob




From BAtkins at osc.uscg.mil  Tue Aug 26 14:21:10 2003
From: BAtkins at osc.uscg.mil (Atkins, Brian)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:21:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hardcoding privacy settings
Message-ID: <13828F680182D511893300508BD6831704085E0B@oscex2.osc.uscg.mil>

Is there a method of hard coding list settings, particularly privacy
settings in Mailman?  I'm using version 2.0.13.

Also, is there a method to force list admins to change passwords at regular
intervals?

Brian Atkins



From BAtkins at osc.uscg.mil  Tue Aug 26 14:23:28 2003
From: BAtkins at osc.uscg.mil (Atkins, Brian)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:23:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripping attachments
Message-ID: <13828F680182D511893300508BD6831704085E0C@oscex2.osc.uscg.mil>

Oops... forgot to ask with my last post: Is there a way to strip out all
attachments?

Brian



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Aug 26 15:06:11 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:06:11 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding and removing people pr. email
In-Reply-To: <1061897452.51543.1398.camel@truth.in.copyleft.no>
References: <1061897452.51543.1398.camel@truth.in.copyleft.no>
Message-ID: <1061903164.2600.5.camel@Anncons4>

On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 07:30, Lars Bungum wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> (apologies if this message was posted doubly, can't seem to find it)
> 
> I'm looking to use a Mailman list integrated with another program that
> subscribes and removes people from the in accordance with their
> involvement in a certain activity.
> 
> I thought I could easily do this by letting the program send emails to
> the list to add and remove people, but haven't been able to find a way
> to do this.  I found how you could request subscribption of membership
> via email, but not how the administrator himself (herself) could do this
> by supplying the relevant password in a mail.
> 
> Is there any way to do this?

I've done a lot of this for various clients (it's the fun part of the
job). It's very easy to use the command-line tools provided by mailman
to add/remove users auto-magically in the background. 

So rather than send an email request to the Mailman-list, send it to
some cron-job running on the back-end that will execute the command
using the Mailman command line tools - or send it to some pseudo-daemon
that monitors a mailbox on the Mailman system. 

You can use any method you like for transporting those commands around -
just be sure to put in some form of authentication (even if it's your
own built-in authentication).

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From besecker at southernunionco.com  Tue Aug 26 15:39:20 2003
From: besecker at southernunionco.com (Jeff Besecker)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:39:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending images
Message-ID: 

I am trying to send out a message through Mailman 2.1.2 (on RedHat 7.1)
which contains an embedded image.  We use Novell's Groupwise for mail. 
If I send the message through Mailman it comes back with the embedded
image as an attachment. If I send the message straight through GW the
message is received intact.  If I send the same message to Yahoo the
message displays fine so nothing is happening in GW. 
 
Does anyone know what might be happening on the receiving end or in
Mailman that would cause this to occur, and how to fix it?  If it cannot
be configured to allow this, does anyone know of any other list server
software that would?
 
Thank you


From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Aug 26 17:04:18 2003
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:04:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripping attachments
In-Reply-To: <13828F680182D511893300508BD6831704085E0C@oscex2.osc.uscg.mil>
References: <13828F680182D511893300508BD6831704085E0C@oscex2.osc.uscg.mil>
Message-ID: 

At 8:23 AM -0400 2003/08/26, Atkins, Brian wrote:

>  Oops... forgot to ask with my last post: Is there a way to strip out all
>  attachments?

	See the archives.  This is actually a more difficult problem than 
you imagine, for a variety of technical reasons.

	The short answer is that if you go into "Content Filtering", and 
click on the button "Should Mailman filter the content of list 
traffic according              to the settings below?" and set it to 
"Yes" and you don't change anything else, then mailman should go 
ahead and strip most things you're likely to see (by default, it will 
only pass messages that are plain text, or MIME bodypart types 
multipart/mixed, multipart/alternative, or text/plain), and it will 
strip text/html to plain text.


	See also the FAQ entries at 
.

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

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From jas at nysia.org  Tue Aug 26 17:59:46 2003
From: jas at nysia.org (Jaswinder S. Hayre)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:59:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] To retain bounce statistics
Message-ID: <6547A5AF6882D6118FC100065B8872071F6BD1@MSP101>

Guys,

I would like to have Mailman retain the bounce statistics even if a certain
email is removed and then added again.  Mailman's current behavior is that
it resets the bounce count to 0 if address a at b.com is removed and then added
again.  

We are thinking about refreshing the subscribers list with our internal
(FoxPro) database EVERY night.  In this scenario if the bounce count is
reset every night no subscriber will EVER be removed.  Any way to change
this?

Regards,
Jas


From jeremyp at pobox.com  Tue Aug 26 18:22:21 2003
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:22:21 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Clearing out admin messages
In-Reply-To: <20030825161210.GA32018@magma.ca>
References: <87ptitspmx.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>
	<20030825161210.GA32018@magma.ca>
Message-ID: <1061914876.29771.55.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 12:12, Raymond Wood wrote:

> Google for a perl script called 'mladmin'.  Worked for us.
> 
> BTW, this should be added to the Mailman FAQ, where the existing
> instructions appear to be rather outdated.
> 

If you've got a chance, please feel free to do that.  The Mailman FAQ is
run by FAQ-O-Matic, and anyone can add things.

--Jeremy

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From jeremyp at pobox.com  Tue Aug 26 18:26:19 2003
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:26:19 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting to receive both individual posts and
	digests?
In-Reply-To: <1061824978.2686.7.camel@lorien.linuxfromscratch.org>
References: <1061824978.2686.7.camel@lorien.linuxfromscratch.org>
Message-ID: <1061915118.29771.58.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

I think the way you do it -- subscribe with two email addresses, and
receive digests on one -- is the best way.  I think your request is
probably quite rare, and there's really not much of a drawback to the
workaround you mention.  I'm not sure what you mean by "less to remember
when upgrading" -- what are you upgrading that would change your email
address?

--Jeremy

On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 11:22, Gerard Beekmans wrote:
> Hi again,
> 
> Is there a way to set a user to receive the individual posts as well as
> the digests? As the list admin I'd liek to receive digests so I can make
> sure they are sent out properly, how many a day and so forth. Right now
> when I select the digest option for my email address I cease to receive
> the messages as they are posted. I get around this by using a different
> email address to receive digests on, but I rather just use the one email
> address. Less to remember when upgrading.
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Aug 26 19:15:28 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:15:28 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] To retain bounce statistics
In-Reply-To: <6547A5AF6882D6118FC100065B8872071F6BD1@MSP101>
References: <6547A5AF6882D6118FC100065B8872071F6BD1@MSP101>
Message-ID: <1061918125.2600.18.camel@Anncons4>

Well, there is no need to delete everyone and then add everyone back,
just dump the email database to a text file and use the sync_members
command.  That will keep all the old email addresses complete with their
passwords and statistics, but will add new email addresses (and delete
ones that don't exist in the text file you are syncing with).

Should work fine.  A lot of folks do their database sync's this way.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 11:59, Jaswinder S. Hayre wrote:
> Guys,
> 
> I would like to have Mailman retain the bounce statistics even if a certain
> email is removed and then added again.  Mailman's current behavior is that
> it resets the bounce count to 0 if address a at b.com is removed and then added
> again.  
> 
> We are thinking about refreshing the subscribers list with our internal
> (FoxPro) database EVERY night.  In this scenario if the bounce count is
> reset every night no subscriber will EVER be removed.  Any way to change
> this?
> 
> Regards,
> Jas
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From BAtkins at osc.uscg.mil  Tue Aug 26 19:20:10 2003
From: BAtkins at osc.uscg.mil (Atkins, Brian)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:20:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripping attachments
Message-ID: <13828F680182D511893300508BD6831704085E14@oscex2.osc.uscg.mil>

Thanks, Brad.  I guess I'll have to upgrade to 2.1 to get that feature.

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Knowles [mailto:brad.knowles at skynet.be]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:04 AM
To: Atkins, Brian
Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org'
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Stripping attachments


At 8:23 AM -0400 2003/08/26, Atkins, Brian wrote:

>  Oops... forgot to ask with my last post: Is there a way to strip out all
>  attachments?

	See the archives.  This is actually a more difficult problem than 
you imagine, for a variety of technical reasons.

	The short answer is that if you go into "Content Filtering", and 
click on the button "Should Mailman filter the content of list 
traffic according              to the settings below?" and set it to 
"Yes" and you don't change anything else, then mailman should go 
ahead and strip most things you're likely to see (by default, it will 
only pass messages that are plain text, or MIME bodypart types 
multipart/mixed, multipart/alternative, or text/plain), and it will 
strip text/html to plain text.


	See also the FAQ entries at 
.

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++)
R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From jrush at scout.wisc.edu  Tue Aug 26 19:24:52 2003
From: jrush at scout.wisc.edu (Justin Rush)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:24:52 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] collecting statistics
Message-ID: 

Is there some way to find out how many people signed up from say June to 
August for a list?  I have been searching freshmeat and google for some 
mailman analyzer but I have yet to find one.

-- 
Justin Rush
Technical Specialist
Internet Scout Project
jrush at scout.wisc.edu




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Aug 26 19:57:27 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:57:27 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] collecting statistics
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1061920643.2600.59.camel@Anncons4>

On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 13:24, Justin Rush wrote:
> Is there some way to find out how many people signed up from say June to 
> August for a list?  I have been searching freshmeat and google for some 
> mailman analyzer but I have yet to find one.

You'll find some scripts for this in the archives.  A lot of folks have
contributed them (including myself). You can also find some of them up
on sourceforge.  

The scripts simply grep through the Mailman logs. The logs record all
sorts of useful information, like new subscribes, folks who leave the
list (either voluntarily or via too many bounces), successful posts to
the lists, etc.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes




From lars.bungum at copyleft.no  Mon Aug 25 18:42:14 2003
From: lars.bungum at copyleft.no (Lars Bungum)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:42:14 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding and removing people pr. email
Message-ID: <1061829700.51543.229.camel@truth.in.copyleft.no>

Hello,

I'm looking to use a Mailman list integrated with another program that
subscribes and removes people from the in accordance with their
involvement in a certain activity.

I thought I could easily do this by letting the program send emails to
the list to add and remove people, but haven't been able to find a way
to do this.  I found how you could request subscribption of membership
via email, but not how the administrator himself (herself) could do this
by supplying the relevant password in a mail.

Is there any way to do this?

-- 
Mvh.
Lars Bungum                             
Copyleft Software AS
Telefon            : +47 22 71 67 00
Telefaks           : +47 92 17 58 13
Mobiltelefon	   : +47 92 04 61 35
Organisasjonsnummer: 982 116 252





From starman at gemini-awakening.com  Mon Aug 25 19:00:40 2003
From: starman at gemini-awakening.com (Joseph Mina)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 07:00:40 -1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman v 2.0.13
Message-ID: 

I want to use the program "mailman" to manage my e-mail list. I'm using OS
X, Jaguar.  However, when I attempt to download the file via Safari I'm told
the download manager can't download the file mailman-2.0.13.tgz

I appreciate any feedback.  I'm computer savvy from a user perspective,
however, the programming realm is out of my bailiwick.

Thanks for your help.

Regards, Joseph Mina




From khera at kcilink.com  Tue Aug 26 20:30:01 2003
From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:30:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman v 2.0.13
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <16203.42793.190585.991900@yertle.int.kciLink.com>

>>>>> "JM" == Joseph Mina  writes:

JM> I want to use the program "mailman" to manage my e-mail list. I'm
JM> using OS X, Jaguar.  However, when I attempt to download the file
JM> via Safari I'm told the download manager can't download the file
JM> mailman-2.0.13.tgz

Perhaps downloading the current version would work out better?  Go to
the http://www.list.org/ site to find it.



From gerard at linuxfromscratch.org  Tue Aug 26 20:38:20 2003
From: gerard at linuxfromscratch.org (Gerard Beekmans)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:38:20 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting to receive both individual posts and
	digests?
In-Reply-To: <1061915118.29771.58.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
References: <1061824978.2686.7.camel@lorien.linuxfromscratch.org>
	<1061915118.29771.58.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
Message-ID: <1061923092.293.44.camel@eriond.linuxfromscratch.org>

On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:25, Jeremy Portzer wrote:
> when upgrading" -- what are you upgrading that would change your email
> address?

Ignore that part, I was thinking about some internal Mailman change. The
easiest solution is an alias in the SMTP server's database. Simply
solutions don't always come to mind first ;)

-- 
Gerard Beekmans
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org
http://www.beekmansworld.com

/* Linux Consultant --- OSDN / DevChannel *
 * Technical Writer --- CheapBytes        */

/* If Linux doesn't have the solution, you have the wrong problem */




From gerard at linuxfromscratch.org  Tue Aug 26 20:40:14 2003
From: gerard at linuxfromscratch.org (Gerard Beekmans)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:40:14 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to modify admin_member_chunksize
Message-ID: <1061923208.293.47.camel@eriond.linuxfromscratch.org>

Hi guys,

How can the admin_member_chunksize variable be changed? I happened
across DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE in the Defaults.py file, so I
added it to mm_cfg.py so new lists have a higher number before
membership lists get sorted alphabetically.

How do I change this value for existing lists? I can't find the option
in the GUI to do this and doing a config dump with config_list -o -
listname doesn't even show that variable.

-- 
Gerard Beekmans
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org
http://www.beekmansworld.com

/* Linux Consultant --- OSDN / DevChannel *
 * Technical Writer --- CheapBytes        */

/* If Linux doesn't have the solution, you have the wrong problem */




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue Aug 26 21:37:20 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:37:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman v 2.0.13
In-Reply-To: <16203.42793.190585.991900@yertle.int.kciLink.com>
Message-ID: 


On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 07:30  pm, Vivek Khera wrote:

>>>>>> "JM" == Joseph Mina  writes:
>
> JM> I want to use the program "mailman" to manage my e-mail list. I'm
> JM> using OS X, Jaguar.  However, when I attempt to download the file
> JM> via Safari I'm told the download manager can't download the file
> JM> mailman-2.0.13.tgz
>
> Perhaps downloading the current version would work out better?  Go to
> the http://www.list.org/ site to find it.
>

Trust me, you can download Mailman source distribution .tgz files from 
sourceforge (the primary location for the latest versions of MM) using 
Safari 1.0 on MacOS X 10.2.6; I have just done it.

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103

I agree with Vivek that you would be better off installing MM 2.1.2, 
the latest stable version. MM 2.0.13 is short on some of the neat 
facilities found in 2.1.2.

You might also find this useful:

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg12599.html

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From srb at umich.edu  Tue Aug 26 21:54:53 2003
From: srb at umich.edu (Steve Burling)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:54:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman v 2.0.13
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <2147483647.1061913293@adsl-245-67.ns.itd.umich.edu>

--On Monday, August 25, 2003 7:00 AM -1000 Joseph Mina 
 wrote:

> I want to use the program "mailman" to manage my e-mail list. I'm using OS
> X, Jaguar.  However, when I attempt to download the file via Safari I'm
> told the download manager can't download the file mailman-2.0.13.tgz
>
> I appreciate any feedback.  I'm computer savvy from a user perspective,
> however, the programming realm is out of my bailiwick.
>
> Thanks for your help.

To which I reply:

As others have already suggested, you should get version 2.1.2.

While you can do this with Safari, you're going to need to be able to use 
the command line to install Mailman, so I'd suggest doing this from a 
Terminal window, and using the 'curl' command.  See 'man curl' for details 
on how the command works.

You'll need to have the developer tools installed, and you'll need to make 
sendmail run -- Apple's installers have a nasty habit of making "/" 
group-writable, which sendmail objects to.  You might also want to consider 
installing Postfix as an alternative to sendmail -- it's an easy build on 
OS X.  Seee 

You can do this, but it's not entirely trivial.  If you aren't familiar 
with building and installing software on Unix, you've got a learning hump 
to get over.  You'll need an administrative id to do the installations, too.

-- 
Steve Burling                                    
University of Michigan, ICPSR                    Voice: +1 734 615.3779
330 Packard Street                               FAX:   +1 734 647.8700
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910



From hraftery at myrealbox.com  Wed Aug 27 01:51:49 2003
From: hraftery at myrealbox.com (Heath Raftery)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:51:49 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Users worried about spammers getting their email
	address
Message-ID: <3F4BF295.1020102@myrealbox.com>

Hi list,

I know this has been discussed in various forms in the past, but I 
wanted to bring it up again with a few fresh angles.

I have a user who is on a campaign to remove his email address from any 
web site. He was worried the lists I run have his address available to 
spammers. After I let him know that you have to be a member of the list 
to see the email address, and that any appearance of his address in the 
(open) archives would be name at domain and mailto:the list, he was 
somewhat relieved.

However, I did point out that the archives are still downloadable in raw 
mbox format, complete with email addresses. In the archives of this list 
I found suggestions about changing your web server's settings to send an 
'unreachable' page for any requests for txt/mbox/etc files. Any other 
suggestions, perhaps which are local to Mailman and don't require 
modifying the web server?

This particular user goes on to write:
> I suspect that before long they  will parse not just @ but also
> resolve 'at' with any combination of  spaces either side.  I may be
> excessively pessimistic but the ingenuity  of our fellow man is
> significant. These days I only feel comfortable  with discussion
> lists where the person's email address is not disclosed  in any
> fashion, not even the 'user at domain' method. One common technique
> is to get the user to nominate a 'list name' or alias ie frodo or
> flash544. Both their email address and real name is concealed even
> from other listmembers behind this alias and cannot be discovered
> (unless someone hacks the database behind the list server cgi). The
> only way to email a colleague on the list is to click on a special
> link with their alias name on it. Zero disclosure. Using this
> technique, anyone on the list can email anyone else using their 'list
> name', threads can be followed etc, and any public archive of the
> list (which is helpful for people outside the list) can't disclose a
> person's email (and usually won't disclose their name) unless they
> want it disclosed.

A good example of this that comes to my mind, is the way eBay handles 
communication between bidder and seller. Any ideas about the possibility 
of something like this in Mailman?

Heath




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Aug 27 03:34:13 2003
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:34:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Users worried about spammers getting their email
	address
In-Reply-To: <3F4BF295.1020102@myrealbox.com>
Message-ID: <9086CFEA-D82E-11D7-AE13-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>


On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 04:51  PM, Heath Raftery wrote:

> I have a user who is on a campaign to remove his email address from 
> any web site.

good for him. he's figured it out...

> However, I did point out that the archives are still downloadable in 
> raw mbox format, complete with email addresses.

If you can get to an e-mail address in any format without a password, 
so can a spambot, and they will. and do.

>> I suspect that before long they  will parse not just @ but also
>> resolve 'at' with any combination of  spaces either side.

slashdot has already proven that any attempt to obfuscate e-mail 
addresses programmatically can/will be de-obfuscated by the spammers 
once its worth their time. Remember, they don't have to de-program all 
of your obfuscations. they're patient. They can wait until they get 
your e-mail address re-arranged in a way they do understand how to 
unravel.

> A good example of this that comes to my mind, is the way eBay handles 
> communication between bidder and seller. Any ideas about the 
> possibility of something like this in Mailman?
>

I think we're headed in that direction, for better and worse. I also 
think we're headed towards other changes in e-mail to allow users to 
control how their address is used. the best (IMHO) way to handle this 
is some form of addressing that allows a user's address to be usable 
for, say, a week. After that, if you attempt to use the address, you 
drop into challenge/response/whitelisting. Having a list server take 
responsibility for forwarding email is also likely useful, but it 
creates problems for sites where they don't control the entire domain 
-- you're effectively requiring the list server to live on a sub-domain 
and own all email to that sub-domain to do that properly.

I am (slowly, slowly) working on a new archiving scheme that won't 
disclose sensitive user data. Until that happens, my archives are 
locked behind security realms. That doesn't protect them completely, 
but the spambots don't seem to need to break that lock yet, not when so 
many other lists are available in google...





From charlesg at unixrealm.com  Wed Aug 27 13:56:38 2003
From: charlesg at unixrealm.com (Charles Gagnon)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 07:56:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with qrunner OutgoingRunner
Message-ID: <20030827115638.GC3679@daumier.unixrealm.com>

I've just upgraded my Mailman installation from a 2.0.x to a 2.1.2
on a Solaris 8 server using Python 2.2.2.  And I think I have a
problem with the OutgoingRunner but I can't put my finger on it.
Here a the symtoms:

1. After I start mailman, the mailmanctl never exits. I can still
   see it in the process table.
2. The "mailmanctl stop" command stops everything but NOT the
   OutgoingRunner. I have to kill that one manually.
3. If I send subscription requests (email or web), I see them pending in
   logs/subscribe. I see a new file get created in qfiles/out. But
   nothing gets out. I never get the confirmation message.
4. I see no errors in logs/smtp-failure or any other files that
   would help me put my finger on the problem.

Any ideas?

-- 
Charles Gagnon                   | My views are my views and they
http://unixrealm.com             | do not represent those of anybody
charlesg at unixrealm.com        | but me.

   One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
        -- Dennis Miller



From charlesg at unixrealm.com  Wed Aug 27 14:13:13 2003
From: charlesg at unixrealm.com (Charles Gagnon)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 08:13:13 -0400
Subject: MORE: [Mailman-Users] Problem with qrunner OutgoingRunner
In-Reply-To: <20030827115638.GC3679@daumier.unixrealm.com>
References: <20030827115638.GC3679@daumier.unixrealm.com>
Message-ID: <20030827121313.GA15128@daumier.unixrealm.com>

I have just tested a post to a new list created with the 2.1.2
mailman. Pretty much the same behavior, the .pck and .db files are
created in qfiles/out. They look normal when I peek in with dumpdb.
But nothing leaves the machine. No apparent errors anywhere.

Can I run the "qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s" manually and
add some kind of degugging flag?

On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 07:56:38AM -0400, Charles Gagnon wrote:
> I've just upgraded my Mailman installation from a 2.0.x to a 2.1.2
> on a Solaris 8 server using Python 2.2.2.  And I think I have a
> problem with the OutgoingRunner but I can't put my finger on it.
> Here a the symtoms:
> 
> 1. After I start mailman, the mailmanctl never exits. I can still
>    see it in the process table.
> 2. The "mailmanctl stop" command stops everything but NOT the
>    OutgoingRunner. I have to kill that one manually.
> 3. If I send subscription requests (email or web), I see them pending in
>    logs/subscribe. I see a new file get created in qfiles/out. But
>    nothing gets out. I never get the confirmation message.
> 4. I see no errors in logs/smtp-failure or any other files that
>    would help me put my finger on the problem.

-- 
Charles Gagnon                   | My views are my views and they
http://unixrealm.com             | do not represent those of anybody
charlesg at unixrealm.com        | but me.

   I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman where the Self
   Help section was, she said if she told me it would defeat the
   purpose.
        -- Dennis Miller



From charlesg at unixrealm.com  Wed Aug 27 15:23:41 2003
From: charlesg at unixrealm.com (Charles Gagnon)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:23:41 -0400
Subject: MORE: [Mailman-Users] Problem with qrunner OutgoingRunner
In-Reply-To: <20030827121313.GA15128@daumier.unixrealm.com>
References: <20030827115638.GC3679@daumier.unixrealm.com>
	<20030827121313.GA15128@daumier.unixrealm.com>
Message-ID: <20030827132341.GA8148@daumier.unixrealm.com>

Another quick update: I had old queue files in qfiles/out. So I
cleared out everything in the folder and restarted all the qrunners.

Now I can get the OutgoingRunner to send one post or one message.
After it's restarted, it sends one message correctly. The next post
or confirmation message after that goes nowhere.

On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 08:13:13AM -0400, Charles Gagnon wrote:
> I have just tested a post to a new list created with the 2.1.2
> mailman. Pretty much the same behavior, the .pck and .db files are
> created in qfiles/out. They look normal when I peek in with dumpdb.
> But nothing leaves the machine. No apparent errors anywhere.
> 
> Can I run the "qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s" manually and
> add some kind of degugging flag?
> 
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 07:56:38AM -0400, Charles Gagnon wrote:
> > I've just upgraded my Mailman installation from a 2.0.x to a 2.1.2
> > on a Solaris 8 server using Python 2.2.2.  And I think I have a
> > problem with the OutgoingRunner but I can't put my finger on it.
> > Here a the symtoms:
> > 
> > 1. After I start mailman, the mailmanctl never exits. I can still
> >    see it in the process table.
> > 2. The "mailmanctl stop" command stops everything but NOT the
> >    OutgoingRunner. I have to kill that one manually.
> > 3. If I send subscription requests (email or web), I see them pending in
> >    logs/subscribe. I see a new file get created in qfiles/out. But
> >    nothing gets out. I never get the confirmation message.
> > 4. I see no errors in logs/smtp-failure or any other files that
> >    would help me put my finger on the problem.

-- 
Charles Gagnon                   | My views are my views and they
http://unixrealm.com             | do not represent those of anybody
charlesg at unixrealm.com        | but me.

   There's no such thing as strong coffee,
   just weak people.



From tyler at beloit.edu  Wed Aug 27 17:41:24 2003
From: tyler at beloit.edu (Tim Tyler)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:41:24 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive clean-up?
Message-ID: <200308271541.h7RFfOB35668@beloit.edu>

Mailman users,
  I have seen the faq that discuss how to remove archives, etc.  However, it
seem rather manual intensive to truncate archives down to 1 year or any
particular time period.  Does anyone have a utility or script that can take
different Mailman lists and truncate the archives down to a specified time
period?  
  Also, is there a quick way to identify all of the list owners?  I have
over 100 lists and I don't know how to find the list owners without logging
into each list administration page. -thanks!

-- 
Tim Tyler
Network Manager - Beloit College
tyler at beloit.edu



From wfroning at uop.edu  Wed Aug 27 19:00:07 2003
From: wfroning at uop.edu (Will Froning)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:00:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: archive clean-up?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20030827100007.7a6a88c3.wfroning@uop.edu>

~mailman/bin/list_owners -w

OR

~mailman/bin/list_admins -a

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:02:00 -0400
mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:

> From: Tim Tyler 
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Reply-To: tyler at beloit.edu
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive clean-up?
> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:41:24 -0500 (CDT)
> 
> Mailman users,
>   I have seen the faq that discuss how to remove archives, etc. 
>   However, it
> seem rather manual intensive to truncate archives down to 1 year or
> any particular time period.  Does anyone have a utility or script that
> can take different Mailman lists and truncate the archives down to a
> specified time period?  
>   Also, is there a quick way to identify all of the list owners?  I
>   have
> over 100 lists and I don't know how to find the list owners without
> logging into each list administration page. -thanks!
> 
> -- 
> Tim Tyler
> Network Manager - Beloit College
> tyler at beloit.edu

-- 
Will Froning
Unix Sys. Admin.
(209)946-7470
(209)662-4725
wfroning at uop.edu



From mike at sfu.ca  Wed Aug 27 18:58:58 2003
From: mike at sfu.ca (Mike Dustan)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:58:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mystery resends
Message-ID: 

Hi All:

I'm running Mailman 2.1.2 with a Postfix MTA on Mac OS X Sserver and 
have had several complaints about duplicate messages. Seems that some 
(but not all) people on a list are receiving occasional resends of 
old messages from a week or two ago. This happens on most of my 
lists. There seems to be no common factor among the recipients, the 
messages, the timing or the lists. Occasionally a postfix restart 
seems to provoke it but not always.

Any ideas where I should look?

Thanks!
-- 
--
Mike Dustan, Computing Operations & Tech. Support,
Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, BC Canada.
Web: http://www.sfu.ca/ots/

I'm never wrong. I thought I was wrong once, but I was wrong.



From mike at sfu.ca  Wed Aug 27 19:18:01 2003
From: mike at sfu.ca (Mike Dustan)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:18:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing authorised sender
Message-ID: 

Hi All:

Probably a simple answer to this one, but I can't find it.

I've authorised Joe Nonmember as an authorised sender to my list. 
Although he's a non-member and doesn't receive postings, he can post 
to it without administrative intervention. Now, how do I deauthorise 
him? He doesn't show up in any screens that I've been able to find.

Thanks!
-- 
--
Mike Dustan, Computing Operations & Tech. Support,
Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, BC Canada.
Web: http://www.sfu.ca/ots/

I'm never wrong. I thought I was wrong once, but I was wrong.



From ajlewis2 at intac.com  Wed Aug 27 20:09:24 2003
From: ajlewis2 at intac.com (Anita Lewis)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:09:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posting from the archives - lists sender,
	but not list
Message-ID: <5340.216.46.85.122.1062007764.intacweb140@webmail.intac.com>

We have the new version of mailman on a webhost which uses cpanel.  I note
that now there is the feature of responding to emails from the archives.  This
will be very handy for some of our subscribers.

For some reason only the sender's name is listed to reply to.  Howevery, when
I reply by clicking on that sender's name, it actually sends to the list. 
That is where I want the messages sent, but it is confusing to the users to
have it look as though the reply will go to the sender.  I cannot find out
what is causing this.  It doesn't seem to be a setting that I can adjust.

I have seen this feature working properly on debian-users at lists.debian.org
where one may reply to sender, list, or both.

I found some helpful things in the FAQ, but not an answer to this.

Thanks,
Anita



From paul at thcwd.com  Wed Aug 27 20:25:42 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:25:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Osirusoft blocking all IPs
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030827132121.0199b940@mail.themarriagebed.com>

      I realize this is not a Mailman issue, but it may be causing some 
Mailman systems to reject all mail.  If you are using relays.osirusoft.com 
it's rejecting all e-mail.

<>< Paul, who has his mail flowing again





From sadams at slimdevices.com  Wed Aug 27 20:42:06 2003
From: sadams at slimdevices.com (Sean Adams)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:42:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Osirusoft blocking all IPs
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030827132121.0199b940@mail.themarriagebed.com>
Message-ID: <2846AC2C-D8BE-11D7-ADA2-000A957BA960@slimdevices.com>


Goddbye, and good riddance!  Osirusoft was an evil operation, and I'm  
glad to see them gone.
There was heated discussion last night on Slashdot, in case anyone is  
interested:

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/08/27/ 
0214238&mode=thread&tid=111&tid=126



On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 11:25 AM, Paul H Byerly wrote:

>      I realize this is not a Mailman issue, but it may be causing some  
> Mailman systems to reject all mail.  If you are using  
> relays.osirusoft.com it's rejecting all e-mail.
>
> <>< Paul, who has his mail flowing again
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Searchable Archives:  
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> This message was sent to: sadams at slimdevices.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
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From n3me at splus.net  Wed Aug 27 22:12:14 2003
From: n3me at splus.net (n3me)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:12:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer ?
Message-ID: <010a01c36cd7$81f2fe60$7b01a8c0@TONY>

  
Hello friends,
 
My "Footers" are being sent to our mailing list participants as
"Attachments" rather than being inserted into the message text.
 
Please advise what I setup incorrectly and what I must change to have the
"footer" placed at the bottom of the e-mail message text.
 
Thank you for your assistance.
 
- Tony -

From mike at CamaroSS.net  Wed Aug 27 22:46:41 2003
From: mike at CamaroSS.net (Mike Kercher)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:46:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer ?
In-Reply-To: <010a01c36cd7$81f2fe60$7b01a8c0@TONY>
Message-ID: <010b01c36cdc$51fc9ae0$9c01a8c0@home.middlefinger.net>

Don't send html email to the list.  That's most likely why the footer is
being appended as an attachment.  Try it with a plain text message and see
what happens.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] On Behalf Of
n3me
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:12 PM
To: Mailman-Users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer ?


  
Hello friends,
 
My "Footers" are being sent to our mailing list participants as
"Attachments" rather than being inserted into the message text.
 
Please advise what I setup incorrectly and what I must change to have the
"footer" placed at the bottom of the e-mail message text.
 
Thank you for your assistance.
 
- Tony -




From avi at otn.com  Wed Aug 27 23:21:59 2003
From: avi at otn.com (Aviram Carmi)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:21:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman questions
Message-ID: 

Hi all,

I am looking for a mailing list manager for my customers.

here are my basic requirements:

works with mailscanner to filter out spam/viruses to/from the list

allow multiple virtual domains and multiple lists per domain, since I
host several domain names

be secure so that the list cannot be hijacked by spammers

easy for me to use/admin/setup/trouble shoot

has web interface with multiple admins for each virtual domain/list,
so that my customers can maintain/manage their own lists

web based archives with multiple threads per mailing list

auto bounce deletion


these are the mlm that I found while searching the net yesterday:

mailman http://www.list.org/

mojo http://mojo.skazat.com/

ecartis (formerly listar) http://www.ecartis.org/

sympa http://www.sympa.org/

fml http://www.fml.org/

procmail/smartlist http://www.procmail.org/

listproc http://sourceforge.net/projects/listproc/

ezmlm http://ezmlm.enderunix.org/

majordomo http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/


Thanks,

-avi

-- 

Aviram Carmi
Owner
Executive Vice President, Technology

Over TheNet (R)
601 Daily Drive Suite #226
Camarillo, CA 93010-5840

http://www.otn.com/   Building Profitable Web Sites Today
(805) 384-1144 Voice  (805) 384-9111 FAX

(C) Copyright 2003, Over TheNet (R)  All rights reserved.



From avi at otn.com  Wed Aug 27 23:21:58 2003
From: avi at otn.com (Aviram Carmi)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:21:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail server recommendations?
Message-ID: 

Hi all,

While researching mailing list managers  I encountered several mail 
servers (MTA) programs.

If I am to make changes to sendmail might as well install another 
server which will be better/easier for me as a non-admin person to 
use/configure/maintain.

these are the servers I am aware of:

sendmail

exim

postfix

smail

qmail

Any recommendations/suggestions?

Should I even bother to replace sendmail?

Thanks,

-avi

-- 

Aviram Carmi
Owner
Executive Vice President, Technology

Over TheNet (R)
601 Daily Drive Suite #226
Camarillo, CA 93010-5840

http://www.otn.com/   Building Profitable Web Sites Today
(805) 384-1144 Voice  (805) 384-9111 FAX

(C) Copyright 2003, Over TheNet (R)  All rights reserved.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Aug 28 00:13:10 2003
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 00:13:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail server recommendations?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

At 2:21 PM -0700 2003/08/27, Aviram Carmi wrote:

>  If I am to make changes to sendmail might as well install another
>  server which will be better/easier for me as a non-admin person to
>  use/configure/maintain.

	[ ... deletia ... ]

>  Any recommendations/suggestions?
>
>  Should I even bother to replace sendmail?

	Sendmail is quite capable of doing the job.  However, many people 
find it difficult to configure and manage.

	For smaller sites, or sites wishing to have a simpler 
configuration file, I find that postfix generally works very well. 
It has one of the simplest configuration files that I have ever seen, 
and comes configured out-of-the-box to be just about the perfect MTA 
for a mailing list.

	I've also heard good things about Exim, but my own experiences so 
far have been less positive with it than with postfix.  Note that 
Exim is not designed to be a drop-in replacement for sendmail, 
whereas postfix works very hard to function correctly in this role.


	If you'd like to learn more about postfix, you may want to check 
out the article at 
, 
and read the pages that they link to.


	You should also read the Mailman FAQ, question 4.2 "Which MTA 
should I use with Mailman?", at 
.

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Aug 28 00:19:49 2003
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 00:19:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman questions
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

At 2:21 PM -0700 2003/08/27, Aviram Carmi wrote:

>  works with mailscanner to filter out spam/viruses to/from the list

	This should be external to the mailing list.  The mailing list 
should probably have features to allow it to take advantage of any 
external virus/spam tagging and filtering that you can perform, but 
the bulk of the work should actually be done in the MTA, or in 
conjunction with the MTA -- before the message gets to the mailing 
list software itself.

>  be secure so that the list cannot be hijacked by spammers

	"Secure" is a relative term.  If you run a closed list and do not 
allow postings from non-subscribers, then spammers will either have 
to subscribe to the list before they can spam, or they will have to 
forge the address of a subscriber.

	Problem is, "viraspam" tools like SoBig.F will generate spam 
using the mailbox of an infected person as a guide, and they may be 
able to forge mail from another member (perhaps with an infected 
attachment) and get it posted to the list.

	Just how secure does the list have to be?


	As far as everything else is concerned, it seems to me that 
mailman can do all this, and I believe it's a pretty good tool for 
doing so.

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From raywood at magma.ca  Thu Aug 28 00:43:54 2003
From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:43:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail server recommendations?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
Message-ID: <20030827224354.GD6847@magma.ca>

On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 12:13:10AM +0200, Brad Knowles imagined:
> At 2:21 PM -0700 2003/08/27, Aviram Carmi wrote:
> > If I am to make changes to sendmail might as well install another
> > server which will be better/easier for me as a non-admin person to
> > use/configure/maintain.
> 
> 	[ ... deletia ... ]
> 
> > Any recommendations/suggestions?
> >
> > Should I even bother to replace sendmail?
> 
> Sendmail is quite capable of doing the job.  However, many people 
> find it difficult to configure and manage.

I tend to agree.  Feature-wise, Sendmail is still the most
powerful MTA AFAICT, but most people can make their lives easier
by choosing a less complex one, like Postfix or Exim.

Cross Smail off your list; it is way old, and possibly obsolete.
Qmail has fanatical devotees, but is not a 'drop-in' replacement
for Sendmail, and also has a 'non-free' license.  I'd cross them
both off your list.  YMMV.

> For smaller sites, or sites wishing to have a simpler
> configuration file, I find that postfix generally works very
> well.  It has one of the simplest configuration files that I
> have ever seen, and comes configured out-of-the-box to be just
> about the perfect MTA for a mailing list.

Postfix is also designed, like Qmail, from the ground up with
security in mind.  I'm told the source-code is a joy to look at,
but don't quote me on that as I'm no authority  :-)

> I've also heard good things about Exim, but my own
> experiences so far have been less positive with it than with
> postfix.  Note that Exim is not designed to be a drop-in
> replacement for sendmail, whereas postfix works very hard to
> function correctly in this role.

I think you want to double-check this; you may be thinking of
Qmail here.  AFAIK Exim, like Postfix, is structured to be a
drop-in replacement for Sendmail, but verify this for yourself.

> 	If you'd like to learn more about postfix, you may want to
> 	check out the article at 
> , 
> and read the pages that they link to.
> 
> 
> 	You should also read the Mailman FAQ, question 4.2 "Which MTA 
> should I use with Mailman?", at 
> .

FWIW I use both Exim and Postfix, and they both work fine.  If I
were to set up a new server right now, I'd go with Postfix.  I
just wish it had Exim's license  ;)

Have Fun, 
Raymond
-- 
"What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the
homeless, whether the mad destruction is brought under the name
of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy?"
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From don_mailman at the-leveys.us  Thu Aug 28 01:02:25 2003
From: don_mailman at the-leveys.us (Don Levey)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:02:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: OSIRUSOFT
Message-ID: 


-----Original Message-----

------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:25:42 -0500
From: Paul H Byerly 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Osirusoft blocking all IPs
To: mailman-users at python.org
Message-ID:
	<5.2.1.1.0.20030827132121.0199b940 at mail.themarriagebed.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

      I realize this is not a Mailman issue, but it may be causing some
Mailman systems to reject all mail.  If you are using relays.osirusoft.com
it's rejecting all e-mail.

<>< Paul, who has his mail flowing again


*********************************************

Osirusoft has been under a VERY heavy DDoS attack for a while now.
In order to reduce traffic, Joe set things up so that legitimate users of
his service would cease - all that leaves left is the terrorist attack,
which can now be analysed.

The underlying lists from which he drew his information are still there:
SPEWS, for one, is still in operation.  I personally salute Joe for his
valiant effort over the past few years; making these lists available has
meant that I've blocked many thousands of spam messages, with only one
false-positive in the bunch.  There are some who ignorantly blame Joe for
problems in their own server, their ISP, or the listing criteria on the
lists he used; they fail to see that we as mail server operators have the
final say on who uses our resources.  Lists such as the Osirusoft relay list
have had a significant impact on spam; otherwise, they'd never have been hit
as hard as they are, because the spammers wouldn't be afraid.

Keep in mind also that it's these criteria that have given Mailman some of
the features that allow it to be a good netizen - in particular, the
confirmation option.  No-one should ever be added to a mailing list without
their knowledge and consent.  It's the lists that DON'T do this that get
their IPs blacklisted.

The spammers and electronic terrorists perpetrating this attack have failed
to foresee two things: the rise of multiple alternate lists, and the
reactivation of individual blocklists.  It's much easier to get off of one
centrally-maintained list than it is to get off of thousands of
individually-maintained lists, especially when the admins are overworked and
vindictive...

 -Don




From avi at otn.com  Thu Aug 28 01:16:30 2003
From: avi at otn.com (Aviram Carmi)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:16:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: OSIRUSOFT
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 


I noticed it too... I disabled osirusoft.com yesterday.

-avi


At 19:02 -0400 08/27/2003, Don Levey wrote:
>-----Original Message-----
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:25:42 -0500
>From: Paul H Byerly 
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Osirusoft blocking all IPs
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>Message-ID:
>	<5.2.1.1.0.20030827132121.0199b940 at mail.themarriagebed.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
>       I realize this is not a Mailman issue, but it may be causing some
>Mailman systems to reject all mail.  If you are using relays.osirusoft.com
>it's rejecting all e-mail.
>
><>< Paul, who has his mail flowing again
>
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From paul at thcwd.com  Thu Aug 28 01:43:33 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:43:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posting from the archives - lists sender,	but not list
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030827184140.0717beb8@mail.thcwd.com>

Anita Lewis wrote:
>We have the new version of mailman on a webhost which uses cpanel.  I note
>that now there is the feature of responding to emails from the archives.  This
>will be very handy for some of our subscribers.

      As this is not a feature of Mailman I assume cpanel is 
responsible?  Kind of ironic, I've spent months working on a way to do just 
this, and now I am thinking seriously about moving to a cpanel server.


<>< Paul 




From jsmith at smittybuilt.com  Thu Aug 28 03:00:53 2003
From: jsmith at smittybuilt.com (jsmith)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:00:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer ?
Message-ID: 

Tony,

This is a known problem with Mailman.  I have as well as others have had
this problem since the first day.  I posted these problems to the list
with no resolution besides someone saying that I can not used OUTLOOK as
a mail client or not to send HTML.  What they never read is my posts is
that I have tired it with a Hotmail account, Eudora, Outlook, as well as
from the commandline from within freebsd to the list with the same
results.  I have been told that a future version will deal with this
issue.

Don't hold your breath.  If your list is mainly a announce only like
mine is you can just manually put the footers in the body of the email.

Other than that you have set up nothing incorrectly that is causing this
problem.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+jsmith=smittybuilt.com at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jsmith=smittybuilt.com at python.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Kercher
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:47 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Footer ?

Don't send html email to the list.  That's most likely why the footer is
being appended as an attachment.  Try it with a plain text message and
see what happens.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] On Behalf Of
n3me
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:12 PM
To: Mailman-Users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer ?


  
Hello friends,
 
My "Footers" are being sent to our mailing list participants as
"Attachments" rather than being inserted into the message text.
 
Please advise what I setup incorrectly and what I must change to have
the "footer" placed at the bottom of the e-mail message text.
 
Thank you for your assistance.
 
- Tony -


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From kremels at kreme.com  Thu Aug 28 03:12:26 2003
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme (List User Kreme))
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:12:26 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Catching bounces/delivery errors
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
	
Message-ID: 

On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 1:14 PM, DZ-Jay wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:05:28 -0600, LuKreme  wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 7:55 AM, DZ-Jay wrote:
>> Instead of pounding nails with your all-purpose procmail screwdriver, 
>> use mailman to manage your mailings.  It will handle all the ounce 
>> processing on its own, freeing your time for other things.
>>
>
> Hum... As I explained in a previous post, what my organization does is 
> not a traditional mailing list like this one, its personalized 
> advertising campaigns sent to our customers (strictly opt-in, by the 
> way.)  Our customer e-mail list reside in our enterprise commerce 
> server's database and whenver we are going to mail, we export the most 
> current list of addresses based on some sales or demographic criteria 
> and feed it to a comercial bulk e-mailer, which sends a personalized 
> e-mail to the clients.

You can still do that with mailman.

> If you think mailman can broadcast personalized messages and allow an 
> address list to be imported and also provide a list of addresses that 
> failed, then I'll try it.  But I was under the impression that mailman 
> would not work for this.

I know at least one mailman list I am on says "this message was sent to 
kremels at kreme.com" in the footers, so some degree of personalisation is 
certainly possible.  It certainly can have user list imported and it 
keeps track of bounces.

 might be able 
to help with more specific questions.

-- 
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strftime(3) man page




From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Thu Aug 28 03:23:29 2003
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:23:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Footer ?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20030828012329.GH22479@hq.newdream.net>

On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 06:00:53PM -0700, jsmith wrote:
[ Two layers of miserable Lookout! TOFU corrected ]

> > > My "Footers" are being sent to our mailing list participants as
> > > "Attachments" rather than being inserted into the message text.
> > >  
> > > Please advise what I setup incorrectly and what I must change to have
> > > the "footer" placed at the bottom of the e-mail message text.

Use demime or stripmime (as per the Mailman FAQ) to strip HTML from the
list, and / or stop sending HTML mail.

> > Don't send html email to the list.  That's most likely why the
> > footer is being appended as an attachment.  Try it with a plain text
> > message and see what happens.

> This is a known problem with Mailman.  I have as well as others have had
> this problem since the first day.  I posted these problems to the list
> with no resolution besides someone saying that I can not used OUTLOOK as
> a mail client or not to send HTML.

This is not a "known problem" with Mailman. When a message has a MIME
attachment, the safest way for Mailman to add the footer is to add it as
an additional plaintext MIME attachment. There's no way for it to safely
add the footer to one of the individual attachments; this would break
PGP/MIME signatures, cause weird problems with multipart/alternative
messages, etc.

If you've really tried sending mail from all these other mailers, why
does THIS message have the footer as part of the message body and not as
an attachment?

-- 
"Since when is skepticism un-American?
Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")





From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Thu Aug 28 03:28:41 2003
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:28:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mail server recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <20030827224354.GD6847@magma.ca>
References: 
	 <20030827224354.GD6847@magma.ca>
Message-ID: <20030828012841.GI22479@hq.newdream.net>

On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 06:43:54PM -0400, Raymond Wood wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 12:13:10AM +0200, Brad Knowles imagined:

> > For smaller sites, or sites wishing to have a simpler
> > configuration file, I find that postfix generally works very well.
> > It has one of the simplest configuration files that I have ever
> > seen, and comes configured out-of-the-box to be just about the
> > perfect MTA for a mailing list.

> Postfix is also designed, like Qmail, from the ground up with
> security in mind.  I'm told the source-code is a joy to look at, but
> don't quote me on that as I'm no authority :-)

I will third the suggestion to check out Postfix. I've used it on
both very large scale systems (multiple mail machines, 30k+ users per
cluster of machines), as well as on my own workstations. It's easy to
configure, but flexible, fast, performs well, secure, and it's author
isn't a raving loon *coughQMAILcough*.

It has a good user community, and the postfix-users list is generally
very helpful. Wietse himself (Postfix's author) posts to the list
frequently, and provides some amusing entertainment at times.

There may be certain features that it lacks, but I haven't ever run up
against them, and I imagine most people will find the same thing.

I've not run Exim since version 3.x, but I've heard good things about
the recent releases of Exim as well.

-- 
"Since when is skepticism un-American?
Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")





From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Aug 28 04:12:11 2003
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 04:12:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mail server recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <20030828012841.GI22479@hq.newdream.net>
References: 
	 <20030827224354.GD6847@magma.ca>
	<20030828012841.GI22479@hq.newdream.net>
Message-ID: 

At 6:28 PM -0700 2003/08/27, Will Yardley wrote:

>  I will third the suggestion to check out Postfix. I've used it on
>  both very large scale systems (multiple mail machines, 30k+ users per
>  cluster of machines), as well as on my own workstations.

	I've run larger scale systems.  On the clusters of machines I've 
run, handling traffic for ~1m users, you start seeing issues that 
Wietse has not foreseen, and because of the scale of the problem is 
difficult for him to replicate.  In those cases, the thing that 
matters is whether or not you can get him interested in helping you 
to solve your problem.

	However, if you're not anywhere close to that size, you're not 
likely to have those kinds of problems.

>  There may be certain features that it lacks, but I haven't ever run up
>  against them, and I imagine most people will find the same thing.

	I have.  See above.

	That said, for smaller sites, I still think it's the better 
choice for many people.

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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From jsmith at smittybuilt.com  Thu Aug 28 06:58:22 2003
From: jsmith at smittybuilt.com (jsmith)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:58:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Footer ?
Message-ID: 

If you've really tried sending mail from all these other mailers, why
does THIS message have the footer as part of the message body and not as
an attachment?

I have asked that question so many times here and get no answer that its
not funny.  I have watched others ask this question and it does not get
answered or addressed other than blaming it on the great empire of Bill
Gates because he must be a demon.  I have heard it all.  I even brought
up the point that my mailings to this list work fine on your servers but
not on mine.  SO I assume it must be a configuration problem.  Yet no
one can tell me  what is incorrect or where to fix it.  I have even
heard that it's a character set problem.  I am just tired of listening
to everyone else blame this problem on something else that I know I have
tried and as it turns out, its not the reason.  I have watched Microsoft
bashing, to outlook bashing to everything else.  It's a mailman to
sendmail issue.  Somewhere there is a configuration problem.  But since
this isn't a MS product you can't just install it and expect it to work.
You have to configure damn near all open source programs for each
specific machine and the specific OS its running.

I am new to Freebsd.  I admit that.  That is the reason I asked this
very question months ago and then just waited, and waited, and waited.
Then I waited for someone else to have the problem and post a question
on how to fix it.  Still nothing.  Nothing in the archives about it that
corrects this issue.  Yet everyone seems to blame something else.  Its
complained enough about to warrant a response and a solution.

I actually reached my bullshit level and just installed Majodomo.  I
would rather have used Mailman.  But it doesn't work right unless you're
a developer and fix whatever line of code is causing it.  But I am not a
developer just a newbie that someone talked into using a freebsd box
vice something that would take a hell of a lot less of my time and would
have worked right the first time.  Sure, it might not have had the
supposedly great uptime of freebsd or any of te other *nix's.  But I can
reboot a computer easier than I can learn to program in perl and save
myself all this trouble.

Mailman seems to be a great product.  IF and when it works right.  I am
just a stupid retired Marine that makes money in this business and time
is money.  Wasted time is lost money.  I have lost enough



-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+jsmith=smittybuilt.com at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jsmith=smittybuilt.com at python.org] On
Behalf Of Will Yardley
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:23 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Footer ?

On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 06:00:53PM -0700, jsmith wrote:
[ Two layers of miserable Lookout! TOFU corrected ]

> > > My "Footers" are being sent to our mailing list participants as 
> > > "Attachments" rather than being inserted into the message text.
> > >  
> > > Please advise what I setup incorrectly and what I must change to 
> > > have the "footer" placed at the bottom of the e-mail message text.

Use demime or stripmime (as per the Mailman FAQ) to strip HTML from the
list, and / or stop sending HTML mail.

> > Don't send html email to the list.  That's most likely why the 
> > footer is being appended as an attachment.  Try it with a plain text

> > message and see what happens.

> This is a known problem with Mailman.  I have as well as others have 
> had this problem since the first day.  I posted these problems to the 
> list with no resolution besides someone saying that I can not used 
> OUTLOOK as a mail client or not to send HTML.

This is not a "known problem" with Mailman. When a message has a MIME
attachment, the safest way for Mailman to add the footer is to add it as
an additional plaintext MIME attachment. There's no way for it to safely
add the footer to one of the individual attachments; this would break
PGP/MIME signatures, cause weird problems with multipart/alternative
messages, etc.

If you've really tried sending mail from all these other mailers, why
does THIS message have the footer as part of the message body and not as
an attachment?

--
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Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")



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From kpert at tcml.com  Wed Aug 27 21:19:38 2003
From: kpert at tcml.com (kpert at tcml.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:19:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: 

Looking for expert mailman administrator and user who can train.





From scott.coats at mwsc.com  Wed Aug 27 22:59:42 2003
From: scott.coats at mwsc.com (Scott Coats)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:59:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin Emails
Message-ID: <3F4D1BBE.7080101@mwsc.com>

Is there a way to administer Mailman with emails? instead of the web 
interface.

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From don_mwblug at the-leveys.us  Thu Aug 28 01:01:08 2003
From: don_mwblug at the-leveys.us (Don Levey)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:01:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: OSIRUSOFT
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 



-----Original Message-----

------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:25:42 -0500
From: Paul H Byerly 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Osirusoft blocking all IPs
To: mailman-users at python.org
Message-ID:
	<5.2.1.1.0.20030827132121.0199b940 at mail.themarriagebed.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

      I realize this is not a Mailman issue, but it may be causing some
Mailman systems to reject all mail.  If you are using relays.osirusoft.com
it's rejecting all e-mail.

<>< Paul, who has his mail flowing again


*********************************************

Osirusoft has been under a VERY heavy DDoS attack for a while now.
In order to reduce traffic, Joe set things up so that legitimate users of
his service would cease - all that leaves left is the terrorist attack,
which can now be analysed.

The underlying lists from which he drew his information are still there:
SPEWS, for one, is still in operation.  I personally salute Joe for his
valiant effort over the past few years; making these lists available has
meant that I've blocked many thousands of spam messages, with only one
false-positive in the bunch.  There are some who ignorantly blame Joe for
problems in their own server, their ISP, or the listing criteria on the
lists he used; they fail to see that we as mail server operators have the
final say on who uses our resources.  Lists such as the Osirusoft relay list
have had a significant impact on spam; otherwise, they'd never have been hit
as hard as they are, because the spammers wouldn't be afraid.

Keep in mind also that it's these criteria that have given Mailman some of
the features that allow it to be a good netizen - in particular, the
confirmation option.  No-one should ever be added to a mailing list without
their knowledge and consent.  It's the lists that DON'T do this that get
their IPs blacklisted.

The spammers and electronic terrorists perpetrating this attack have failed
to foresee two things: the rise of multiple alternate lists, and the
reactivation of individual blocklists.  It's much easier to get off of one
centrally-maintained list than it is to get off of thousands of
individually-maintained lists, especially when the admins are overworked and
vindictive...

 -Don




From cozzi at cozziconsulting.com  Thu Aug 28 07:38:25 2003
From: cozzi at cozziconsulting.com (Michael Cozzi)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 00:38:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: OSIRUSOFT
References: 
Message-ID: <001501c36d26$9b08dce0$8101a8c0@revmain>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Levey" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:01 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: OSIRUSOFT


>
>
> *********************************************
>
> Osirusoft has been under a VERY heavy DDoS attack for a while now.
> In order to reduce traffic, Joe set things up so that legitimate users of
> his service would cease - all that leaves left is the terrorist attack,
> which can now be analysed.

    Had no idea... been bouncing mail like crazy- problem corrected thank
you for the heads up.

    You saved me a lod of problems.

--
Michael
cozzi at cozziconsulting.com




From mailman at vo.cnchost.com  Thu Aug 28 09:09:48 2003
From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 00:09:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing authorised sender
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <6.0.0.10.0.20030828000453.04c9a468@127.0.0.1>

At 10:18 AM 8/27/2003, Mike Dustan wrote:
>Hi All:
>
>Probably a simple answer to this one, but I can't find it.
>
>I've authorised Joe Nonmember as an authorised sender to my list. Although 
>he's a non-member and doesn't receive postings, he can post to it without 
>administrative intervention. Now, how do I deauthorise him? He doesn't 
>show up in any screens that I've been able to find.

You didn't say what version of Mailman, but in the latest version(s), look 
on your administration website to see if Joe Nonmember is listed at:

Privacy Options
         -> Sender Filters
                 -> List of non-member addresses whose
                 postings should be automatically accepted.

The URL for the Sender Filters page is:

         /mailman/admin//privacy/sender/

HTH

jc




From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Thu Aug 28 09:32:10 2003
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 00:32:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Footer ?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20030828073210.GP32730@hq.newdream.net>

On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 09:58:22PM -0700, jsmith wrote:
[ Stop top posting! ]

> > If you've really tried sending mail from all these other mailers, why
> > does THIS message have the footer as part of the message body and not as
> > an attachment?

> I have asked that question so many times here and get no answer that its
> not funny.  I have watched others ask this question and it does not get
> answered or addressed other than blaming it on the great empire of Bill
> Gates because he must be a demon.  I have heard it all.  I even brought
> up the point that my mailings to this list work fine on your servers but
> not on mine.  SO I assume it must be a configuration problem.  Yet no
> one can tell me  what is incorrect or where to fix it.

Have you sent an example of one of the messages you're seeing with
headers and MIME structure intact to the list?

-- 
"Since when is skepticism un-American?
Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")





From nikhil.bajpai at induslogic.com  Thu Aug 28 14:15:14 2003
From: nikhil.bajpai at induslogic.com (Nikhil)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:45:14 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating a new List
Message-ID: <002601c36d5e$093c8360$8c00a8c0@synapse.com>

Hi All,
We are testing Mailman on Windows 2000 using cygwin.
I am using mailman-2.1.2 and exim-4.14.
I installed Mailman without any problems.
After that when I tried creating a new list using using ~/bin/newlist
I'm getting the output below:

$ /home/mailman/bin/newlist testList1 nikhilb at induslogic.com induslogic
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/bin/newlist", line 219, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/bin/newlist", line 160, in main
    mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 449, in Create
    self.__lock.lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 243, in lock
    self.__write()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 422, in __write
    fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/home/mailman/locks/.lock.c
lovisqa.2816.0'

Am I missing something ?
I searched throughthe archive but couldn't find the answer.
I followed the instructions given at
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.002.htp

Thanks,
Nikhil




From jsmith at smittybuilt.com  Thu Aug 28 16:00:58 2003
From: jsmith at smittybuilt.com (jsmith)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:00:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Footer ?
Message-ID: 

Will, Listmembers,

I have sent a post similar to this previously but it has been a while.
At home I am using outlook.  And when I post to the mailman-users list
it works fine.  Just not to my list.  I have removed the phone numbers
and emails addresses for privacy reasons.


Here is a recent post.  I cut and pasted the header info since I use
outlook and it doesn't like to forward headers.



Included header info.
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MEA-West Networking Meeting tomorrow, Thursday 21 August, 1730 at
Sharky's, Del Mar BOQ on Camp Pendleton.

........................................................

Please do NOT reply to this email: The list server is on transmit only.


Please DO continue to send job openings, networking requests and
questions to FISHE at AOL.COM.


If you have difficulty registering, send your request to
fishercs at aol.com.

Some short fuse positions below, so please forward ASAP.

Semper Fi,
Steve Fisher, Col., USMC (ret)
President, MEA-West

....................

The next MEA-West networking meeting is Thursday 21 August from 1730 to
2030, at Sharky's in the Del Mar BOQ on Camp Pendleton.

Our guest speaker is Dr. Drobnick, the Vice Provost for International
Studies at the University of Southern California. Dr. Drobnick also sits
on numerous international committees and policy organizations, including
the Pacific Rim Educational Organization and Presidential Advisory
Committees. This should be another terrific meeting and opportunity to
hear a world renowned speaker. Come to the next MEA meeting and network.

As in July, for the August meeting we will serve heavy hors d'oeuvres,
rather than a dinner. We ask everyone who attends the meeting to
contribute $5.00 for the cost of  the food.

The agenda will be to gather in the bar at 1730, networking and buffet
style heavy hors d'oeuvers until 1815, 1815 introductions/speaker, and
1930 adjourn and continue networking. We will try this to see how it
works. Please let us know what you think.

........................

MEA, East Coast, contacts: Jack Leonard, Chair, JLeonard at VAWC.com;
George Hofmann Jr, President, Jlhgrh at aol.com; Joe Riggio, Chair
Emeritus, joeriggio at msn.com, XX-XXX-3323. Website: www.MarineEA.org.

.........................

MEA ORANGE COUNTY Contact: Don Brown, dcbrown7611 at cox.net, (949)
632-9488

...................

Marine For Life website: www.MarineForLife.com

..................

NETWORKING ASSISTANCE REQUESTED:

1. Twyla A. Johnson is a highly skilled, multi-tasked oriented
individual seeking new opportunities for future growth and challenges in
the Computer Information Systems field. She is the wife of a Sgt in the
Marine Corps stationed at the Camp Pendleton Base, and is confident that
she can provide great attitude and positive energy to any company. She
graduated from Saint Augustine's College in Raleigh, North Carolina with
a Bachelor of Science Degree in Computer Information Systems. Not only
did she graduate Magna Cum Laude (3.6), but she was on the Dean's List,
Honor's List and a Presidential Scholar. Twyla has a background in
administrative processing, sales, management and client relations. She
is also experienced with meeting deadlines and working in fast paced
environments. Twyla Johnson can be contacted by email at
twylajoh at hotmail.com .

2. MSgt John Ubaldi is a reserve Current Operations Chief who has been
working on active duty at I MEF G-3 in support of Operation Enduring
Freedom and Iraqi Freedom Since November 2001. Spent six months in
Afghanistan with CJTF-180 Operations Section. Has a Bachelor's Degree in
Government, worked on various local & State wide political campaigns for
candidates. Many years of public speaking experience in the community
and with Toastmaster International obtaining the designation of Advance
level Toastmaster-Silver level. Looking for a position in public
relations or public advocacy in the Sacramento, California area to begin
in the September time frame. Has a Secret Clearance. Can be reached by
email at joldi at hotmail.com or by phone at t- 15135. 

3. Electronics Technician Chief Petty Officer Tom Batty has 25 years
active duty with the United States Navy.  Currently holds an Bachelor of
Science in Liberal Studies with empasis on Information Technology,
Excelsior College, 2003 and a Top Secret Clearance.  Looking for a
managerial, project management, or human resource position in the Info
Tech or Telecommunications industries. He has been the lead technician
for four commands over a ten year period.  This broadened experience
will easily allow him to fill a position in these technical industries.
With a diverse background in digital and analog electronics maintenance,
Windows NT - LAN maintenance, PC repair, Help Desk Manager functions and
a broad personnel supervision base of experience, his career path has
all the flexibility that is needed of senior leaders in today's
marketplace. 
Currently stationed in San Diego, he retires 31 AUG 03.  Although he
desires Colorado Springs, CO, he'll relocate to anything west of the
Mississippi. Email: 
baa at aol.com; phone (

4. Former corporal and captain Michael Casper has 5 years of F/A-18
aircraft maintenance experience with two years in quality assurance-MOS
6002 and 6112.  
BA in International Relations from the University of San Diego and MA in
Management.  Strong operations management background with diversified
experience in inventory control.  Seeking a career in operations,
management, or consulting.  Willing to change industries.  Currently in
San Diego.  Willing to relocate. Email: usm2 at yahoo.com

5. Capt Michael Yeargan has 5 1/2 years of combat arms and leadership
experence and a BS in Geography from Texas A&M University. Capt Yeargan
has recently returned from Iraq and has work related travel experience
in Great Britian, Cyprus, United Arab Emirates, Jordan, Bahrain, Kuwait,
Iraq, East Timor, Phillipines, Australia, Japan as well as study related
travel in Central America.  He is seeking a position as an Executive,
Administrator, Manager or Project Officer with a company were he can
match his determination, energy, and skill set with company objectives.
Active Top Secret Clearance with SCI eligibility.  
Open to sales positions.  Interested in working in Washington D.C. or
surrounding area, Washington State, Oregon, Texas, Colorado, and major
cities. You can reach Capt. Yeargan at email:YearganMR at I-Mef.usmc.mil
(work) Adve at hotmail.com (home), 760-11 (work), 949-2170 (cell)

6. Lt. Col. Kevin Laude is a reserve communication/information systems
officer who has been working on active duty at the IMEF G-6 in support
of Operation Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom since November of 2001.
He has 18 years of telecommunications and IT management and consulting
experience, both for the Marines and for large international
corporations.  Provided IT support to such diverse industries as
defense, transportation, banking, pharmaceutical, and software
development.  Looking for a position in Southern California to begin in
the Fall.  Secret clearance, but TS eligible (background check in
progress). 
 E-mail at kevinlaude at cox.net or call 6-7331.

....................

FROM ROB ELLIS:

American Systems Corporation is looking for a Marine colonel/lieutenant
colonel or Navy 06/07 to run their San Diego operations.  The individual
must know SPAWAR -- mostly a logistics environment-- and be willing to
market into other areas as well. Currently, Rear Adm Tom Stone is in the
position. American Systems Corp is an employee owned company that does
157M a year in business.

Contact: LaMont J. Wells
American Systems Corporation (ASC)
Senior Vice President, Corporate Development 13990 Parkeast Circle
Chantilly, Virginia 20151-2272
Office: 705134
Cell: 7-5314

.................

FROM THE MEA NETWORK:

RDR, Inc. has recently received an RFP from the DEA and has a tight
response time. The company must determine whether or not they could
really make offers to candidates for physical security work (deadline is
8/25). If the company wins the contract, the following job opportunities
would be available. 

The work calls for Physical Security Specialists who will conduct threat
and vulnerability assessments, surveys, and write the subsequent
reports. They will assess DEA sites in the US and abroad.  We're not
sure where home base will be but they will probably all work out of one
location (we hope here in
Virginia) and we need a supervisor and a Program Manager. 

Another portion of the work involves Divisional Physical Security
Specialists who perform much like a Facility Security Officer at one of
7 DEA Aviation facilities.  The locations are Ft. Worth, Boston, Denver,
Seattle, St. Louis, San Francisco, Newark and Philadelphia. 

All positions require a TS clearance and candidates for the FSO like
positions need to have SCIF experience. 

.....................................

FROM RUSTY JONES:

Fast growing management and systems analysis firm in Crystal City, VA
has several immediate openings for senior level, highly qualified
individuals.
 
Department of the Army Systems Coordinator (DASC) Provide dedicated,
full-time, on-site coordination and integration support services.  Lead
Acquisition Agent for selected Army programs.  Synchronize program
actions and decisions with management, leadership and materiel
developers.  
Apply professional knowledge of Army and Marine Corps planning, user
requirements, systems technologies, acquisition strategy, and program
cost, schedule and risk to ensure successful program execution.
 
Operations Manager
Provide dedicated, full-time, on-site, coordination, integration and
oversight of plans and operations in support of a Program Executive
Office.  Draft documents and make recommendations related to
interpretation, implementation, formulation and evaluation of
operational and administrative policies, procedures, and processes
related to the overall operation and management of a fast paced,
geographically dispersed office. 
 
Positions located in the Northern Virginia area and require SECRET
clearance, strong communication & writing skills, knowledge of Army
management, budgetary and acquisition processes.  Previous experience on
the Army Staff, Assistant Secretary Army (Acquisition Logistics
Technology) staff, Marine Corps Systems Command or Headquarters Marine
Corps staff required. 
 
Excellent benefits package.  EOE.


 ........................................

FROM RUSTY JONES:
 
SYColeman is looking for a retired field grade officer to work in the
Pentagon in support of USMC Joint Warfighting Capabilities Assessment
activities.
 
The position is to be filled this fall - salary competitive and
excellent benefits
 
1.   Represent Marine Corps's position within JWCA/Joint Framework
/Joint 
Concept Development Experimentation (JCDE) context.
2.   Actively coordinate Marine Corps's position with HQMC  (PP&O, AVN,
I, 
C4, I&L, and P&R)  Action Officers (AO) and  MC AOs that may be assigned
to other JWCAs that have overlapping areas of interest or are designated
as "supporting JWCAs."
3.   Interface with other HQMC staff function (MROC especially), MCCDC &

MARCORSYSCOM on matters to ensure joint issues and procedural aspects
are followed during JWCA /JCDE process.
4.   Interface with JFCOM USMC LNOs on issues that effect operational 
concepts, experimentation and employment.
5.   Interact with the other Service JWCA Coordinators and Combatant
Command 
staffs to determine their requirements and respective positions with
regards to JWCA topics at hand. 
6.   Interact with OSD (AT&L), (PA&E), (P) as required regarding
integrated 
architecture development, Joint Capabilities Integration Development
System
(JCIDS) assessments and potential capability investment strategies.
7.   Prepare, review and deliver reports and presentations on an "as 
required" basis to support MROC and JROC decision-making processes. 
8.   Review PPBES documents (DPG, POM, BES, PDM, PBDs,  PCPs, BCPs,
draft 
CPA and CPR, etc. -- including other Service submissions) for impact on
Marine Corps programs, funding and U.S.C. title 10 responsibilities with
regard to training, preparing and equipping the force to support the
Component Commanders. 
9.   Facilitate Marine Corps participation and/or represent MC in 
restructured capabilities-based requirements and acquisition process
through the Functio nal Capability Board-level and as required through
the JROC-level of senior leader preparation.
10. Assist in the preparation and staffing of CMC's input to the
Chairman's Program Assessment and Chairman's Program Recommendations to
CJCS for inclusion in the BES and POM.
 
 


.....................................

FROM JOE REICH:

EDO is looking for a Marine Corps Communications Officer for a full-time
position with the Marine Corps Warfighting Lab at Quantico, Virginia.
The job is a quick fill. Salary range in mid- to high  $70Ks.



.........................................

FROM MAX WIX:

Professional Solutions is seeking the following:
Job Title: Principle Systems Engineer

This is a full time position.  The individual will support a VA
Learning/Content Management Systems as an integral part of
organizational assessment, and enterprise knowledge management strategy,
integrated with content management, search, portal, and collaboration
frameworks. The work location will be Alexandria, VA. The anticipated
start date is 30 September 03. Salary is commensurate with experience.  

General Functional Responsibility: The individual may be required to
formulate, modify and maintain, and define specifications for operating
systems applications and/or hardware configurations and uses engineering
releases and utilities from manufacturer.  They will be responsible for
program design, coding, testing, debugging and documentation.  They may
also be responsible for applications dealing with the overall operating
system, such as sophisticated file maintenance routines, networks, and
computer accounting.  The individual will be integrating an LMS and LCMS
solution designed to manage the creation, storage, reuse, and delivery
of learning content from a central object repository-everything from
conception to delivery.  They must be capable of instructing, directing
and checking the work of other task personnel or lower-level engineers. 
 They may plan and perform network engineering research, design
development, and other assignments in conformance with system design,
engineering and customer specifications.  The individual may supervise a
team of Engineers through project completion and may be responsible for
major technical/engineering tasks. They may also be responsible for
quality assurance review and the evaluation of existing and new software
products. 

The individual will support implementation - To include obtaining and
porting over database of VA users, integrating course enrollment
information, establishing database connectivity and interfaces, entering
course information in the VA KC, and QA/QC and testing.  In addition,
they will be part of a team that ensures the new site is interfaced in a
manner that provides direct, transparent access to all existing CAMEO
links. 

The individual will be working with the following infrastructure:
Network Requirements
Item Description/Issues/Solution
Connectivity-- Internet and Wide Area Network (Intranet) Speed -- T1
(frame relay) and ATM Routers -- Cisco - 4700 & 7000 series Server
Platform Requirements Item Description/Issues/Solution Operating System
-- Microsoft NT 4.0 and Windows 2000 Processors -- Quad (450 mhz)
Storage Media -- 50 gigabyte disk and 70 gigabyte tape Intranet Software
-- Microsoft IIS Email Software -- None (Host Exchange) Other installed
software (shared server) -- N/A Minimum Client Platform Requirements
Item Description/Issues/Solution Operating System -- Microsoft Windows
2000 Processors -- 700 mhz Hard Drive -- 40 gigabyte Browser --
Microsoft Internet Explorer (IE) RAM -- 256 Sound Cards -- Yes Security
Requirements Item Description/Issues/Solution Login -- VAMASTER
Authentication Firewall -- Yes, Martinsburg (VA Maintained)

The individual will also support the customization. This includes:
installing a development version of the Learning Management System on a
Contractor server, populating the site with VA content (such as the
acquisition glossary and references), initial graphical user interface
changes (such as color scheme, logo, etc.), and QA/QC and testing.  

Minimum Education and Experience Requirements: Bachelor's Degree in
engineering or computer science, or with engineering or computer science
as a major field of study, or equivalent, PLUS 6 years related
experience. TWO ADDITIONAL years of directly related job experience may
be substituted for each year of college not attended.

1. A Master's degree may be substituted for TWO years of experience. 

2. A doctoral degree may be substituted for an additional TWO years of
experience. 

3. Each project-related IT or Telecommunications Certification may be
substituted for TWO years of college or TWO years of experience.

4. Experience in general must be professional and job related, though it
need not be in the specific area of the employee's responsibility.
Additional experience substituted for education must be in the area of
the employee's responsibility.

5. FOUR years experience is equivalent to a Bachelors Degree.

6. ONE year of college is equivalent to ONE year of experience.

If interested, send detailed resume and salary requirements to
Contactus at professional-solutions1.com.

..................

FROM MAX WIX:

RNB Technologies is looking for:
Principle Engineer USMC beyond Line of Site Tactical Data Link
Implementation * Engineer/Analyst to support Marine Corps Systems
Command BMADS in the development, testing and integration of BLOS TDL
capabilities into existing and fielded combat systems.  Work shall
assist in development of operation requirements, and Key Performance
Parameters for Marine Corps Command and Control systems.  Must have
understanding of Link-16 architecture development as well as various
long-range communication architectures to include SIPRNET, EHF SATCOM,
Ultra High Frequency (UHF) satellite and terrestrial Radio systems, and
UHF DAMA.  Knowledge of missile defense IDO and USMC missile defense
systems is a plus.  skills on Microsoft Office products are required.
Periodic travel is required.  Prior military experience is essential.
B.S. Degree required; Master's Degree desired.
Applicants selected will be subject to a government security
investigation and must meet  eligibility requirements for access to
classified information. 

P

..................

FROM DOUG RAPE:

We are still growing down here (NERRTC, Texas A&M University System) and
have numerous openings for retiring SNCO's and Officers.  Attached are
ones I think many Marines would find of interest as they transition.
Great quality of life,  low cost of living, no state income tax and
great schools.  90 miles to Austin, Houston or Waco.  Good benefits and
retirement system. Lots of retired and former military in the
organization.  

Communications Director
Contract Administrator
Instructors - Engineering, Utilities & Public Works Training
Institute/Law Enforcement Program Coordinators (Emergency Response
Planning/Training)

People who are interested should go to the website and follow the
instructions to apply. 
Please don't call or e-mail me. I cannot get directly involved in
talking to potential applicants.

............................

FROM M4L HOMETOWN LINK SSGT MIKE ABRAGAN, CHICAGO:


Hot fill for a position in the Chicagoland area by company called Patten
Industries.


Immediate need for a trainer. It's for the Heavy Equipment "earthmoving"

side. Looking for SNCO types in Engineer, Motor T primarily.


Otherwise, I'll speak with any viable candidates. I know Ft LeonardWood 
trains the USMC

Engineers (Basic, Journeyman, Chief).



.................

FROM LW WARING:

Security Services


I am contacting you regarding security services for a USAID funded
project in 
Iraq. I believe you have contact with individuals who may be interested
in pro
viding security management services.

 

We are in the bid stage of a $40m contract that would require us to
field up 
to 50 people at four sites in Iraq for 1-3 years. I am looking for
someone 
with an appropriate SF/SOG background to act as security manager for the
project, 
should we win it. See attached file for a rough scope of work. It would
be a 
one year contract, resident in Baghdad with some travel. The individual
would 
oversee a contract with a security firm (Olive Security,

Kroll, Securicorps, etc...) but would work directly for the implementor
of 
the project, Chemonics International (see 
1060651958&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2echemonics%2enet>


Salary is in accordance with USAID rules and is largely dependent on
previous 
salary history. Full benefits package to include war risk life
insurance.

 

I will be happy to make any connections you can help me with in terms of

suitable and interested candidates. We may mobilize as soon as the end
of August. 

 

POC: Andy Grimi
...................

FROM ALDEN REYNOSO. OSEC RECRUITING:

Below, please find an updated listing of our current openings. The
hottest 
spots are the Sr. Software Systems Eng, Sr. Signals Analyst and the
Assistant 
Program Manager.

POC for all is: Alden Reynoso

Recruiting for OSEC



1. Senior Signals Research Analyst/Engineer , San Diego


Our Senior Signals Research Analyst/Engineer will work on projects which

will draw upon acquired skills and experience in such areas as research

signals analysis, trend analysis, associative analysis, digital signal

processing, algorithm generation/usage, scientific programming, systems

engineering, software systems architecture and design, and the like.
These

skills will be required to define system design requirements and
technical

approach for performing automatic extraction of actionable (tactical)

intelligence from aggregates of signals. The developed
applications/tools

will interface with a database via SQL calls and/or web browser XML
based

APIs. To this end, the successful candidate will have experience with

designing and/or identifying, and developing and/or integrating
information

parsing/filtering tools, information correlation/association tools,

automated data mining tools, multi-domain search engines, and/or

information/data extraction tools. All capabilities to be developed
and/or

integrated will be automated or semi-automated. Advanced degree (MS or
PhD)

with experience in the physical and applied sciences strongly preferred.
A

combination of education and deep experience will be considered in lieu
of

an advanced degree.


Clearance: Candidate must have an active US Government SSBI completed
within

the last 5 years and must meet DCID 6/4 standards.

 

2. Senior Software Systems Engineer, San Diego


OSEC is currently seeking a Senior Software Systems Engineer willing to
work

in hands on software design, integration and test environment. Must be a

self-starter capable of working effectively with software development
team.

Must be capable of defining, assessing, and understanding COTS data
mining

software tool integration and usage problems, database/data element -

software interface problems and providing solutions and alternatives.
Some

college level mathematical background, as applied for data mining, is

desired. The candidate must be able to develop and integrate software
into

the target distributed client - server development environment. Required

skills including C++, Sun SOLARIS OS, SQL, SYBASE RDBMS. Desired skills

include JAVA, Win NT OS. The task will be to integrate, tailor and
operate

COTS Data Mining tools to achieve intelligence extraction goals. (DM
tool

training will be provided). Software development will be required to

integrate with SYBASE relational database and HMI/GUI displays.
Experience

and understanding of software APIs desired.


Please note: Candidates MUST have an active US government SSBI completed

within the last 5 years and meet DCID 6/4 standards.

 

3. Assistant Program Manager, San Diego


Our Assistant Program Manager will provide system engineering and

management assistance for Navy C4I programs. This position requires

significant prior experience as a government employee (military or civil

service) within the DoD Acquisition Workforce. Project Management
experience

is a plus. DAWIA certification is a plus. Also requires a BS or MS in

Computer Science, Electrical Engineering, or a related discipline, or an

equivalent combination of education and experience. The position is
located

in San Diego.


Please Note: Candidate must have a government conducted background

investigation completed within the last five years and meet DCID 6/4

standards.


4. Contracts Assistant, San Diego


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support the preparation of a modification to OSEC's GSA Schedule
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Skills Required: 1-2 years experience supporting a government contract

administrator; familiarity with FAR requirements; MS Office proficiency

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Skills Desired: Exposure to and some familiarity with: standard contract

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standard contract closeout and quick closeout options; and previous

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Please note: Applicants selected will be subject to a government
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classified information. 

 

5. Positions in Washington D.C. and San Diego, CA 

    

SAP Functional Consultants OSEC currently has multiple openings for
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access to classified information. 


OSEC will consider relocation assistance to senior level candidates
residing

outside the San Diego, California area. Travel may be required.





From nikhil.bajpai at induslogic.com  Thu Aug 28 17:02:06 2003
From: nikhil.bajpai at induslogic.com (Nikhil)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:32:06 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating a new List
In-Reply-To: <002601c36d5e$093c8360$8c00a8c0@synapse.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c36d75$59095190$8c00a8c0@synapse.com>

Hi,
I did some more work on this problem.
The problem is coming because the file names cant have characters '<' &
'>' on windows.

As a hack I did the following.
I searched for "" and changed line no 60 in MailList.py from
os.path.join(mm_cfg.LOCK_DIR, name or '') + '.lock',
To
os.path.join(mm_cfg.LOCK_DIR, name or '_site_') + '.lock', 

I recreated MailList.pyc after that.

Newlist worked successfully after that.

I have yet to test the installation. There is a possibility that I might
encounter more such problems.
Please let me know if what I did was OK.
Does anyone have a better idea/hack to achieve the same ?

Thanks,
Nikhil


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+nikhil.bajpai=induslogic.com at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+nikhil.bajpai=induslogic.com at python.org]
On Behalf Of Nikhil
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:45 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating a new List


Hi All,
We are testing Mailman on Windows 2000 using cygwin.
I am using mailman-2.1.2 and exim-4.14.
I installed Mailman without any problems.
After that when I tried creating a new list using using ~/bin/newlist
I'm getting the output below:

$ /home/mailman/bin/newlist testList1 nikhilb at induslogic.com induslogic
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/bin/newlist", line 219, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/bin/newlist", line 160, in main
    mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 449, in Create
    self.__lock.lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 243, in lock
    self.__write()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 422, in __write
    fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/home/mailman/locks/.lock.c
lovisqa.2816.0'

Am I missing something ?
I searched throughthe archive but couldn't find the answer.
I followed the instructions given at
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.002.htp

Thanks,
Nikhil


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From che at debian.org  Thu Aug 28 19:43:54 2003
From: che at debian.org (Ben Gertzfield)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:43:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Footer ?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <3F4E3F5A.7090407@debian.org>

jsmith wrote:

>I have sent a post similar to this previously but it has been a while.
>At home I am using outlook.
>

>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>Content-Language: en
>

jsmith,

Here's your problem.  This email is flagged as using the UTF-8 character 
set (Unicode). 

I'll guess your list is not set for US English as its preferred 
language, is that correct?

If that's the case, Mailman **CANNOT** simply append the footer, which 
is most likely in the incompatible ISO-8859-1 character set, to this 
email without possibly corrupting it -- if there were any ISO-8859-1 
characters in the footer, like German ?, the entire UTF-8 message could 
be garbled, or it could even corrupt someone's email terminal and make 
it unreadable!  (I've personally had this happen, and it's not pretty.)

For what it's worth, I didn't see any footer (attachment or otherwise) 
on the message you posted.  Did you have footers turned off completely 
on that list?

In any case, Mailman does the best it can and attaches the footer as an 
"inline" attachment flagged as ISO-8859-1, which is supposed to be 
displayed at the bottom of the message (not as an attachment).  Outlook 
does not support inline text attachments, for whatever reason, although 
many other mail programs do.

There is a patch available that Tokio Kikuchi wrote that tries to 
convert everything to UTF-8 when necessary to make a "best attempt" at 
adding the footer directly, not as an attachment, if possible.  This 
patch may solve your issue.

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=664209&group_id=103&atid=300103

Also, you can try setting your list for US English as its preferred 
language.  The mailman-users list is set for US English, which is why it 
can safely add its footers to just about any message. (US English uses 
the "us-ascii" character set, which is safe to append to UTF-8 or other 
messages.)

Ben





From kmccann at bellanet.org  Thu Aug 28 20:20:33 2003
From: kmccann at bellanet.org (Kevin McCann)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:20:33 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Footer ?
In-Reply-To: <3F4E3F5A.7090407@debian.org>
References: 
	<3F4E3F5A.7090407@debian.org>
Message-ID: <1062094095.3424.128.camel@localhost.localdomain>

FWIW,I experience the same problem as jsmith and my preferred language
setting is US English. I'm at mm 2.1.2, sendmail, RH 8.0). I have had to
configure my lists to have no footers in outgoing mail. Otherwise,
incoming messages with HTML cause the footer to be appended as an
attachment in the messages sent to recipients. I would prefer to not ban
HTML mail, as many of my members use it. I would just like it so that
the footer is appended at the bottom of the message body and not as an
attachment. This is a rather serious problem.

- Kevin


On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 13:43, Ben Gertzfield wrote:

> 
> jsmith,
> 
> Here's your problem.  This email is flagged as using the UTF-8 character 
> set (Unicode). 
> 
> I'll guess your list is not set for US English as its preferred 
> language, is that correct?





From che at debian.org  Thu Aug 28 20:33:44 2003
From: che at debian.org (Ben Gertzfield)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:33:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Footer ?
In-Reply-To: <1062094095.3424.128.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: 	
	<3F4E3F5A.7090407@debian.org>
	<1062094095.3424.128.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <3F4E4B08.4020001@debian.org>

Kevin McCann wrote:

>FWIW,I experience the same problem as jsmith and my preferred language
>setting is US English. I'm at mm 2.1.2, sendmail, RH 8.0). I have had to
>configure my lists to have no footers in outgoing mail. Otherwise,
>incoming messages with HTML cause the footer to be appended as an
>attachment in the messages sent to recipients. 
>

Yes, my message was in response to the example that jsmith posted, which 
was a message of type text/plain (not HTML).

I don't really see how it's possible to have Mailman add a footer to the 
bottom of HTML email, unless it parses the HTML and tries to add some 
text at what it thinks is the "bottom" of the rendered HTML.

Remember that HTML is structured, so if we directly append the footer 
after the HTML body, we get:



My Message Body



-- 
Mailman Footer Here

and the mailman footer will not even appear!  (It's outside of the HTML.)

It's possible to have Mailman try and parse HTML attachments and attempt 
to add the mailman footer before the  tag, but how can Mailman 
tell the difference between a HTML message, and an attachment that just 
happened to be HTML in this case?  We might end up adding Mailman 
footers to files that people attach to email that just happen to be of 
type HTML, with disastrous results.

If you have any suggestions as to how Mailman can safely append footers 
to HTML email, I'd love to hear any ideas!  This is obviously a problem 
that's been solved before, but to go whole-hog and parse all the HTML in 
every message to try and stick the footer in the right place seems to be 
a little heavy-weight to me.

Ben






From cjl at QNET.COM  Thu Aug 28 20:46:02 2003
From: cjl at QNET.COM (Chris Linstruth)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:46:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Footer ?
In-Reply-To: <3F4E4B08.4020001@debian.org>
Message-ID: 

Attempting to do so would also render things such PGP signatures invalid.

-- 
Chris Linstruth 

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Ben Gertzfield wrote:

> Kevin McCann wrote:
>
> >FWIW,I experience the same problem as jsmith and my preferred language
> >setting is US English. I'm at mm 2.1.2, sendmail, RH 8.0). I have had to
> >configure my lists to have no footers in outgoing mail. Otherwise,
> >incoming messages with HTML cause the footer to be appended as an
> >attachment in the messages sent to recipients.
> >
>
> Yes, my message was in response to the example that jsmith posted, which
> was a message of type text/plain (not HTML).
>
> I don't really see how it's possible to have Mailman add a footer to the
> bottom of HTML email, unless it parses the HTML and tries to add some
> text at what it thinks is the "bottom" of the rendered HTML.
>
> Remember that HTML is structured, so if we directly append the footer
> after the HTML body, we get:
>
> 
> 
> My Message Body
> 
> 
>
>




From kmccann at bellanet.org  Thu Aug 28 21:02:33 2003
From: kmccann at bellanet.org (Kevin McCann)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:02:33 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Footer ?
In-Reply-To: <3F4E4B08.4020001@debian.org>
References: 
	<3F4E3F5A.7090407@debian.org>
	<1062094095.3424.128.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<3F4E4B08.4020001@debian.org>
Message-ID: <1062097312.3424.152.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Isn't the solution to just insert the footer as a plain text message
part before sending? Something like:

------_=_NextPart_000_0149566.27838596
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"

Here's my groovy footer ....


The HTML content is in it's own message section, separated by a boundary
marker and with a different Content-Type. No need to fiddle with that. 

Maybe I'm missing something, in which case I'd love to know how Lyris is
able to do this with no problem.

- Kevin


> I don't really see how it's possible to have Mailman add a footer to the 
> bottom of HTML email, unless it parses the HTML and tries to add some 
> text at what it thinks is the "bottom" of the rendered HTML.
> 
> Remember that HTML is structured, so if we directly append the footer 
> after the HTML body, we get:
> 
> 
> 
> My Message Body
> 
> 




From avi at otn.com  Thu Aug 28 21:13:47 2003
From: avi at otn.com (Aviram Carmi)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:13:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New to Mailman, need help
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

I've installed mailman on my RHL system, and some pieces work, for 
example the web pages, however, I could not get it to send anything...

# ./version
Using Mailman version: 2.1


# ./mailmanctl start
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "./mailmanctl", line 524, in ?
     main()
   File "./mailmanctl", line 319, in main
     check_privs()
   File "./mailmanctl", line 274, in check_privs
     gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2]
KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found


what am I doing wrong?

Also, do I need to run mailmanctl start each time I reboot my system? 
is there a way to add this to the list of deamons that automatically 
start when I reboot?

-- 

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From avi at otn.com  Thu Aug 28 21:33:17 2003
From: avi at otn.com (Aviram Carmi)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:33:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New to Mailman, need help
In-Reply-To: <57933240-D98C-11D7-B8DF-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu>
References: <57933240-D98C-11D7-B8DF-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu>
Message-ID: 


I am running on RHL 7.3 but I did install the Mailman RPM from RHL 9.0...

will try installing from source, thanks,

-avi

At 14:18 -0500 08/28/2003, Dan Phillips wrote:
>I'm guessing from the information you gave that you're referring to 
> an rpm install for RH9? If so, check the archives - that rpm is 
> majorly broken. Try installing from source.
>
>
>On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 02:13 PM, Aviram Carmi wrote:

-- 

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Owner
Executive Vice President, Technology

Over TheNet (R)
601 Daily Drive Suite #226
Camarillo, CA 93010-5840

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(805) 384-1144 Voice  (805) 384-9111 FAX

(C) Copyright 2003, Over TheNet (R)  All rights reserved.



From paul at themarriagebed.com  Thu Aug 28 21:27:07 2003
From: paul at themarriagebed.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:27:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig error
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030828124122.07276410@mail.themarriagebed.com>

I've got ht://dig working nicely, but I get an error message each time the 
nightly cron job runs:

From: root at svr01.thcwd.com (Cron Daemon)
To: mailman at svr01.thcwd.com
Subject: Cron  /usr/local/bin/python2.2 -S 
/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 

/bin/sort: /opt/www/htdig/db/sort99SAvz: Permission denied
htmerge: Word sort failed

/bin/sort: /opt/www/htdig/db/sortTjcbiZ: Permission denied
htmerge: Word sort failed


      The cron job and /opt/www/htdig/db/ both have the permissions 
root:mailman .  The /opt/www/htdig/db/ has no files in it.  My 
/opt/www/htdig/conf/htdig.conf reads:

database_dir:           /opt/www/htdig/db

      My individual list folders 
(../mailman/archives/private//htdig/) have the proper files and 
they update correctly.  Everything seems to run correctly.  Is this 
ht://dig "going back to it's roots" and trying to do something I have no 
need for?

<>< Paul




From che at debian.org  Thu Aug 28 22:17:41 2003
From: che at debian.org (Ben Gertzfield)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:17:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Footer ?
In-Reply-To: <1062097312.3424.152.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: 	<3F4E3F5A.7090407@debian.org>	<1062094095.3424.128.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<3F4E4B08.4020001@debian.org>
	<1062097312.3424.152.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <3F4E6365.2090801@debian.org>

Kevin McCann wrote:

>Isn't the solution to just insert the footer as a plain text message
>part before sending? Something like:
>
>------_=_NextPart_000_0149566.27838596
>Content-Type: text/plain;
>	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Here's my groovy footer ....
>
>
>The HTML content is in it's own message section, separated by a boundary
>marker and with a different Content-Type. No need to fiddle with that. 
>
>Maybe I'm missing something, in which case I'd love to know how Lyris is
>able to do this with no problem.
>  
>

Kevin, this is *EXACTLY* what Mailman does currently.

The problem is that Outlook is buggy, and it doesn't know that 
text/plain message parts after the first part can/should be included 
inline with the message.  We try to be as explicit as possible and even 
include a "Content-Disposition: inline" meta-header with the second 
text/plain part, but Outlook ignores this.

The footer always shows up as an attachment to be downloaded, and never 
in the body of the message.

It's a big problem we haven't figured out how to solve.

Ben






From mailman at alan.batie.org  Thu Aug 28 22:37:40 2003
From: mailman at alan.batie.org (Alan Batie)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:37:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unpack tuple of wrong size
Message-ID: <20030828203740.GA22601@agora.rdrop.com>

I love mailman, but the upgrade from 2.0 to 2.1 blindsided me.  Partly
my fault for just doing a "make install" without reading the upgrade
docs, but I didn't expect such major changes in a point release.  After
getting everything working again, well, everything isn't.  Some lists
are ok, but some are not allowing admins to login:

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks!
Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 226, in main
    num = show_pending_subs(mlist, form)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 264, in show_pending_subs
    pendingsubs = mlist.GetSubscriptionIds()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 163, in GetSubscriptionIds
    return self.__getmsgids(SUBSCRIPTION)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 155, in __getmsgids
    ids = [k for k, (type, data) in self.__db.items() if type == rtype]
ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size


I can handle basic python, but I am lost when it comes to dealing with
the objects and formats...  I'm assuming these lists didn't get converted
properly, but I ran "withlist convert" and it seems happy with them...

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From paul.williams at uwex.edu  Thu Aug 28 22:39:12 2003
From: paul.williams at uwex.edu (Paul F. Williams)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:39:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why don't I see the lists when moving to mailman 2.1
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030828152410.00ab0bb8@imap.uwex.edu>

The problem I am encountering is probably web server
related.  Here are the particulars.

I have a Redhat 7.2 system with
     mailman 2.0.13-1
and
     apache-1.3.27-1.7.2

I have another system with Redhat 9 with
    mailman-2.1-8
and
    httpd-2.0.40-21.3

I believe I have configured mailman on the redhat 9
system according to the directions (and various fixes).

I have tarred ./lists and ./archives on the 7.2 system and
transferred them to the 9 system.

I regenerated the aliases.

The problem is that when I go to the website
     .../mailman/listinfo   (or ./admin)
I do not see a list.

Here are the relevant lines I added to the httpd.conf file

ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/var/mailman/cgi-bin/"
Alias /pipermail/ "/var/mailman/archives/public/"

RedirectMatch /mailman[/]*$ http://server.name/mailman/listinfo


    Options +FollowSymlinks


Is it possible the stock httpd that comes with redhat is missing
something?

If I run /usr/sbin/apachectl -V
I get
/usr/sbin/apachectl -V
Server version: Apache/2.0.40
Server built:   May 20 2003 10:15:29
Server's Module Magic Number: 20020628:0
Architecture:   32-bit
Server compiled with....
  -D APACHE_MPM_DIR="server/mpm/prefork"
  -D APR_HAS_SENDFILE
  -D APR_HAS_MMAP
  -D APR_HAVE_IPV6
  -D APR_USE_SYSVSEM_SERIALIZE
  -D APR_USE_PTHREAD_SERIALIZE
  -D SINGLE_LISTEN_UNSERIALIZED_ACCEPT
  -D APR_HAS_OTHER_CHILD
  -D AP_HAVE_RELIABLE_PIPED_LOGS
  -D HTTPD_ROOT="/etc/httpd"
  -D SUEXEC_BIN="/usr/sbin/suexec"
  -D DEFAULT_PIDLOG="logs/httpd.pid"
  -D DEFAULT_SCOREBOARD="logs/apache_runtime_status"
  -D DEFAULT_LOCKFILE="logs/accept.lock"
  -D DEFAULT_ERRORLOG="logs/error_log"
  -D AP_TYPES_CONFIG_FILE="conf/mime.types"
  -D SERVER_CONFIG_FILE="conf/httpd.conf"

Thanks, for any help.

paulw





From cwieland at uci.edu  Thu Aug 28 22:27:56 2003
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:27:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscriber aliases
Message-ID: <1BF0E2B4-D996-11D7-89E5-000393012174@uci.edu>

Hello All

I may have missed something but I am unable to find any information on 
this. I am wondering if there is any type of provision such that 
someone subscribed to a list as name at xxx.yyy.zzz can send mail to the 
list as either name at yyy.zzz  or name at xxx.yyy.zzz

Any help is appreciated. Oh by the way version 2.1.2

Con Wieland
Network and Academic Computing
UC Irvine




From paul.williams at uwex.edu  Thu Aug 28 23:21:49 2003
From: paul.williams at uwex.edu (Paul F. Williams)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:21:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why don't I see the lists when moving to mailman 2.1?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030828161834.00ab0e38@imap.uwex.edu>

I rechecked the FAQ and found the following

     4.17. Why are lists missing from the listinfo page?


So, after setting VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 0
in mm_cfg.py I can see the listings.

paulw


>From: "Paul F. Williams" 
>Precedence: list
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why don't I see the lists when moving to mailman 2.1
>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:39:12 -0500
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030828152410.00ab0bb8 at imap.uwex.edu>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Message: 11
>
>The problem I am encountering is probably web server
>related.  Here are the particulars.
>
>I have a Redhat 7.2 system with
>     mailman 2.0.13-1
>and
>     apache-1.3.27-1.7.2
>
>I have another system with Redhat 9 with
>    mailman-2.1-8
>and
>    httpd-2.0.40-21.3
>
>I believe I have configured mailman on the redhat 9
>system according to the directions (and various fixes).
>
>I have tarred ./lists and ./archives on the 7.2 system and
>transferred them to the 9 system.
>
>I regenerated the aliases.
>
>The problem is that when I go to the website
>     .../mailman/listinfo   (or ./admin)
>I do not see a list.
>
>Here are the relevant lines I added to the httpd.conf file
>
>ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/var/mailman/cgi-bin/"
>Alias /pipermail/ "/var/mailman/archives/public/"
>
>RedirectMatch /mailman[/]*$ http://server.name/mailman/listinfo
>
>
>    Options +FollowSymlinks
>
>
>Is it possible the stock httpd that comes with redhat is missing
>something?
>
>If I run /usr/sbin/apachectl -V
>I get
>/usr/sbin/apachectl -V
>Server version: Apache/2.0.40
>Server built:   May 20 2003 10:15:29
>Server's Module Magic Number: 20020628:0
>Architecture:   32-bit
>Server compiled with....
>  -D APACHE_MPM_DIR="server/mpm/prefork"
>  -D APR_HAS_SENDFILE
>  -D APR_HAS_MMAP
>  -D APR_HAVE_IPV6
>  -D APR_USE_SYSVSEM_SERIALIZE
>  -D APR_USE_PTHREAD_SERIALIZE
>  -D SINGLE_LISTEN_UNSERIALIZED_ACCEPT
>  -D APR_HAS_OTHER_CHILD
>  -D AP_HAVE_RELIABLE_PIPED_LOGS
>  -D HTTPD_ROOT="/etc/httpd"
>  -D SUEXEC_BIN="/usr/sbin/suexec"
>  -D DEFAULT_PIDLOG="logs/httpd.pid"
>  -D DEFAULT_SCOREBOARD="logs/apache_runtime_status"
>  -D DEFAULT_LOCKFILE="logs/accept.lock"
>  -D DEFAULT_ERRORLOG="logs/error_log"
>  -D AP_TYPES_CONFIG_FILE="conf/mime.types"
>  -D SERVER_CONFIG_FILE="conf/httpd.conf"
>
>Thanks, for any help.
>
>paulw




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu Aug 28 23:48:53 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:48:53 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig error
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030828124122.07276410@mail.themarriagebed.com>
Message-ID: <6AF99657-D9A1-11D7-B856-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

Paul

On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 08:27  pm, Paul H Byerly wrote:

> I've got ht://dig working nicely, but I get an error message each time 
> the nightly cron job runs:
>
> From: root at svr01.thcwd.com (Cron Daemon)
> To: mailman at svr01.thcwd.com
> Subject: Cron  /usr/local/bin/python2.2 -S 
> /usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig
> X-Cron-Env: 
> X-Cron-Env: 
> X-Cron-Env: 
> X-Cron-Env: 
>
> /bin/sort: /opt/www/htdig/db/sort99SAvz: Permission denied
> htmerge: Word sort failed
>
> /bin/sort: /opt/www/htdig/db/sortTjcbiZ: Permission denied
> htmerge: Word sort failed
>
>
>      The cron job and /opt/www/htdig/db/ both have the permissions 
> root:mailman .  The /opt/www/htdig/db/ has no files in it.  My 
> /opt/www/htdig/conf/htdig.conf reads:
>
> database_dir:           /opt/www/htdig/db
>

When rundig is executed by nightly_htdig it uses the -c option so that 
the per-list htdig configuration file found as 
$prefix/archives/private//htdig/.conf is used.

>      My individual list folders 
> (../mailman/archives/private//htdig/) have the proper files 
> and they update correctly.  Everything seems to run correctly.  Is 
> this ht://dig "going back to it's roots" and trying to do something I 
> have no need for?
>
Take a look at the /opt/www/htdig/bin/rundig shell script.

My rundig, as installed by the standard htdig 3.1.6 build default, 
takes the default $DBDIR from the build and nominates it as the $TMPDIR 
when running htmerge. This probably explains why htmerge is using that 
directory for temporary sort files.

Why you are seeing the permissions failure if the cron job is being run 
from the mailman uid's crontab, and if that uid has write permissions 
over the /opt/www/htdig/db directory, is more of a mystery. You could 
try modifying the rundig script to try using another area like /tmp 
(but note the cautions in the rundig script's comments) and see if that 
resolves the problem.

Richard
> <>< Paul
>
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Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Aug 28 23:36:56 2003
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:36:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Footer ?
In-Reply-To: <3F4E4B08.4020001@debian.org>
References: 	
	<3F4E3F5A.7090407@debian.org>
	<1062094095.3424.128.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<3F4E4B08.4020001@debian.org>
Message-ID: 

At 11:33 AM -0700 2003/08/28, Ben Gertzfield wrote:

>  Remember that HTML is structured, so if we directly append the footer
>  after the HTML body, we get:
>
>  
>  
>  My Message Body
>  
>  
>
>  --
>  Mailman Footer Here

	With HTML, you would have to parse the HTML and understand where 
the logical end is to the content, and then place the HTML-formatted 
footer "at the bottom" of that context.

	Problem is, each HTML-enabled MUA will display that somewhat 
differently.  So, your header may appear fine for some subset of the 
users, but not for all the others.  Moreover, the HTML generation 
engine originally used or your HTML recognition engine, might create 
inappropriately formatted content, so that the result after 
modification is completely unreadable to anyone.

>  If you have any suggestions as to how Mailman can safely append
>  footers to HTML email, I'd love to hear any ideas!  This is
>  obviously a problem that's been solved before,

	Are you sure?  Do you have proof?

>                                                 but to go whole-hog
>  and parse all the HTML in every message to try and stick the footer
>  in the right place seems to be a little heavy-weight to me.

	I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  This is a much, much 
tougher problem to solve than it looks like.  Indeed, I believe that 
it is impossible to solve this problem.

	This is why there is no "HTML footer" option.

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

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From kmccann at bellanet.org  Fri Aug 29 00:15:27 2003
From: kmccann at bellanet.org (Kevin McCann)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:15:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Footer ?
References: 	<3F4E3F5A.7090407@debian.org>	<1062094095.3424.128.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<3F4E4B08.4020001@debian.org>
	<1062097312.3424.152.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<3F4E6365.2090801@debian.org>
Message-ID: <063b01c36db1$e291f0c0$0501a8c0@kevinduron>

Thanks, Ben. I had initially been thinking this was strictly an Outlook
problem, too. But I became skeptical as I realised that there are still two
big questions:

1) Why do these same Outlook clients not have problems receiving
attachment-less messages with footers from other MLMs such as Lyris? (I run
hundreds of lists on Lyris and a handful on Mailman and I only have problems
with Mailman).

2) Similarly, why do other Mailman installations send the mail to these same
mail clients without problems?

Logic would dictate that *some* Mailman installations are sending out
messages in a way that some mail clients have a problem with. I guess if we
solve it on the Mailman side we needn't worry about the quirkiness of the
client.

I'll do whatever I can to help solve this. Maybe we can set up a few test
lists on various sites - some with and some without the problem. Then send
identical messages with identical footers and meticulously look at the
message contents (headers, CR/LFs, you name it). There has to be some small
difference that is causing the problem.

Thanks,
Kevin



> Kevin, this is *EXACTLY* what Mailman does currently.
>




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Aug 29 00:10:48 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:10:48 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscriber aliases
In-Reply-To: <1BF0E2B4-D996-11D7-89E5-000393012174@uci.edu>
Message-ID: <7A604D8E-D9A4-11D7-B856-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 09:27  pm, Con Wieland wrote:

> Hello All
>
> I may have missed something but I am unable to find any information on 
> this. I am wondering if there is any type of provision such that 
> someone subscribed to a list as name at xxx.yyy.zzz can send mail to the 
> list as either name at yyy.zzz  or name at xxx.yyy.zzz
>
email address comparisons are done by strict string equality of the 
mail aliases and mail domains.

yyy.zzz and xxx.yyy.zzz are different, unrelated mail domains so 
comparison will fail. I do not believe this is a Mailman issue per se, 
but is a generic email issue. Mailman is surely not 'entitled' to make 
assumptions, based on some lexical similarity between the two mail 
domains, that an alias valid in one domain refers to the same person as 
an alias valid in another domain.

To let people post from different domains and/or with different mail 
aliases to a list restircted to members only posting you will need them 
to have multiple subscriptions to the list and nomail all but one of 
them so they do not get multiple deliveries.
> Any help is appreciated. Oh by the way version 2.1.2
>
> Con Wieland
> Network and Academic Computing
> UC Irvine
>
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From che at debian.org  Fri Aug 29 01:44:07 2003
From: che at debian.org (Ben Gertzfield)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:44:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Footer ?
In-Reply-To: <063b01c36db1$e291f0c0$0501a8c0@kevinduron>
References: 	<3F4E3F5A.7090407@debian.org>	<1062094095.3424.128.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<3F4E4B08.4020001@debian.org>
	<1062097312.3424.152.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<3F4E6365.2090801@debian.org>
	<063b01c36db1$e291f0c0$0501a8c0@kevinduron>
Message-ID: <3F4E93C7.2000900@debian.org>

Kevin McCann wrote:

>Thanks, Ben. I had initially been thinking this was strictly an Outlook
>problem, too. But I became skeptical as I realised that there are still two
>big questions:
>
>1) Why do these same Outlook clients not have problems receiving
>attachment-less messages with footers from other MLMs such as Lyris? (I run
>hundreds of lists on Lyris and a handful on Mailman and I only have problems
>with Mailman).
>

I'll go out on a limb and guess that Lyris doesn't have Mailman's level 
of internationalization support.  If you turn a blind eye to the fact 
that there are messages with character sets other than us-ascii out 
there, you  can do all sorts of horrible things to messages by blindly 
adding on random text to the end of messages.

As a test, though, is there any way you could forward to us messages 
sent through Lyris that are:

1) Content-Type: text/html
2) Content-Type: multipart/* with text/html and text/plain parts
3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 or some other non-ISO-8859-1 
character set

that have footers attached to the mails?  I'd love to see what tactics 
they take in each of these cases.

>2) Similarly, why do other Mailman installations send the mail to these same
>mail clients without problems?
>

It's probably going to depend on the configuration of the client that is 
sending the mail to Mailman in the first place.  If the client sends out 
text/plain mail, Mailman can attach the footer with no problem.  But if 
it's text/html, Mailman has to attach the footer separately; there's 
just no other way to do it.

I'm not sure what would happen with a multipart mail if Mailman directly 
added the footer underneath the final body part.  I assume if the 
charsets matched, it might show  up, but I'm not 100% certain.

Ben





From avi at otn.com  Fri Aug 29 05:35:49 2003
From: avi at otn.com (Aviram Carmi)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:35:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New to Mailman, need help
In-Reply-To: 
References: <57933240-D98C-11D7-B8DF-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu>
	
Message-ID: 

seems to be better from sources...

I still cannot figure out how do to virtual domains lists.

I configured httpd with a virtual and I have the DNS set up properly....

Looks like this is working OK

http://lists.first5ventura.org/mailman/listinfo

you can see the test list.

however, I use the web interface to create the list, and I guess that 
the aliases for sendmail were not create.

how do I add these aliases after the fact???


just as an FYI here are my config files for mm/dns/apache

in mm_cfg.py I have this single line:

add_virtualhost('lists.first5ventura.org', 'lists.first5ventura.org')


DNS Setup:
$ cat /var/named/master/first5ventura.org
;; /var/named/master/first5ventura.org
;
$ORIGIN first5ventura.org.
$TTL 3600
;
@               IN      SOA     ns1.otn.com.    avi.otn.com. (
                         2003082806 ; serial
                         21600 ; refresh
                         1800 ; retry
                         604800 ; expire
                         3600 ; default_ttl
                         )
;
                 IN      NS      ns1.otn.com.
                 IN      NS      ns2.otn.com.
;
; WebStar server where the web site is hosted.
                 IN      A       206.72.86.13
;
; EIMS (Eudora Internet Mail Server running under MacOS 9.2.2)
; this is where the xxx at first5ventura POP3 mailboxes are hosted
                 IN      MX      10      smtp.otn.com.
;
; WebStar server where the web site is hosted
www             IN      A       206.72.86.13
;
;
; this is what I am trying to configure, linux2.otn.com is 206.72.86.221
; which is the machine with apache/sendmail/mailman
lists           IN      MX      10      linux2.otn.com.
lists           IN      A       206.72.86.221

from httpd.conf:

# virtual host for apache


     ServerAdmin avi at otn.com
     DocumentRoot /var/www/html/first5ventura
     ServerName lists.first5ventura.org
     ErrorLog logs/lists.first5ventura.org-error_log
     CustomLog logs/lists.first5ventura.org-access_log common
     ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/var/mailman/cgi-bin/"
     Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/


     AddHandler cgi-script .cgi
     AddHandler cgi-script .exe
     AllowOverride None
     Options +ExecCGI
     Order allow,deny
     Allow from all



Options +FollowSymlinks


AddDefaultCharset Off




# server wide setup for main domain
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/


Options +FollowSymlinks


AddDefaultCharset Off




At 12:33 -0700 08/28/2003, Aviram Carmi wrote:
>I am running on RHL 7.3 but I did install the Mailman RPM from RHL 9.0...
>
>will try installing from source, thanks,
>
>-avi
>
>At 14:18 -0500 08/28/2003, Dan Phillips wrote:

-- 

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From avi at otn.com  Fri Aug 29 05:59:20 2003
From: avi at otn.com (Aviram Carmi)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:59:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New to Mailman, need help
In-Reply-To: <1062129250.5555.12.camel@Anncons4>
References: <57933240-D98C-11D7-B8DF-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu>	
		
	
	<1062129250.5555.12.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: 


I found a "better" way, there is a command in mailman/bin/genaliases 
that will generate all aliases for all mailing lists...

now I just need to figure out how to direct mail to the "real person" 
i.e. the list's admin from the virtual host lists.first5ventura.org 
to lisa at first5ventura.org and I should be done...

there are too many examples, I got lost trying to find just one 
concise example that I could follow.... going very slow and figuring 
it out one step at a time...


thanks,

-avi


At 23:54 -0400 08/28/2003, Jon Carnes wrote:
>Oddly enough there doesn't seem to be any Sendmail integration (addition
>of the aliases when added via the web interface) - though it works for
>Postfix (after some setup).
>
>Note, you can add the integration yourself.  At one site I simply
>spoofed the Postfix integration and made it work with Sendmail.
>
>As to adding the aliases after the fact, that's no problem.  Look at the
>existing ones (you should have a "mailman" one at the very least) and
>simply copy that one's aliases then substitute your lists name for the
>copied lists name.
>
>To see how to use Virtual hosts, look in the file
>~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py (but make your changes to mm_cfg.py)
>It's fairly simple and there are *lots* of examples in the archives (if
>not in the FAQ).
>
>Good Luck - Jon Carnes
>
>On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 23:35, Aviram Carmi wrote:

-- 

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Executive Vice President, Technology

Over TheNet (R)
601 Daily Drive Suite #226
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From avi at otn.com  Fri Aug 29 06:12:38 2003
From: avi at otn.com (Aviram Carmi)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:12:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New to Mailman, need help
Message-ID: 

I used genaliases  and added the aliases to /etc/aliases, I run newaliases.

I still cannot add users to the list...

I subscribed myself using a different email address 
(aviram at overthenet.com), using the web interface, and I got a 
confirmation email to aviram at overthenet.com

I mailed back the confirmation email. but nothing, I was not added to 
the list... list still has no subscribers...

any ideas?

the list is at
http://lists.first5ventura.org/mailman/listinfo/test

admin is at:
http://lists.first5ventura.org/mailman/admin/test

password for the list owner is 'test'

thanks,

-avi
-- 

Aviram Carmi
Owner
Executive Vice President, Technology

Over TheNet (R)
601 Daily Drive Suite #226
Camarillo, CA 93010-5840

http://www.otn.com/   Building Profitable Web Sites Today
(805) 384-1144 Voice  (805) 384-9111 FAX

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From avi at otn.com  Fri Aug 29 06:16:53 2003
From: avi at otn.com (Aviram Carmi)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:16:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] forwarding test-owner@lists.first5ventura.org to
	another domain?
Message-ID: 

Hi again,

how do I forward email to list's owner 
test-owner at lists.first5ventura.org to lisa at first5ventura.org?

same for the list's admin test-admin?

I assume I need to mess with the /etc/aliases but I have no idea how 
to do it...


here are the "test" aliases:


## test mailing list
test:              "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post test"
test-admin:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman admin test"
test-bounces:      "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces test"
test-confirm:      "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman confirm test"
test-join:         "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman join test"
test-leave:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman leave test"
test-owner:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman owner test"
test-request:      "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman request test"
test-subscribe:    "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test"
test-unsubscribe:  "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe test"



the list is at
http://lists.first5ventura.org/mailman/listinfo/test

admin is at:
http://lists.first5ventura.org/mailman/admin/test

password for the list owner is 'test'

thanks,

-avi
-- 

Aviram Carmi
Owner
Executive Vice President, Technology

Over TheNet (R)
601 Daily Drive Suite #226
Camarillo, CA 93010-5840

http://www.otn.com/   Building Profitable Web Sites Today
(805) 384-1144 Voice  (805) 384-9111 FAX

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From avi at otn.com  Fri Aug 29 06:24:37 2003
From: avi at otn.com (Aviram Carmi)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:24:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cannot send message to the list?
Message-ID: 

I cannot seem to send anything to the list...

I double checked my DNS and MX, seem to be fine...

I do not get a bounce back, at least not immediately, but I cannot 
seem to "communicate" with the list via email, the web interface 
seems to be working just fine...

do I need to do something with sendmail so that sendmail will 
"realize" that it is supposed to be handling email for 
lists.first5ventura.org?

where are the sendmail error log files kept?




http://lists.first5ventura.org/mailman/listinfo/test



just as an FYI here are my config files for mm/dns/apache

in mm_cfg.py I have this single line:

add_virtualhost('lists.first5ventura.org', 'lists.first5ventura.org')


DNS Setup:
$ cat /var/named/master/first5ventura.org
;; /var/named/master/first5ventura.org
;
$ORIGIN first5ventura.org.
$TTL 3600
;
@               IN      SOA     ns1.otn.com.    avi.otn.com. (
                         2003082806 ; serial
                         21600 ; refresh
                         1800 ; retry
                         604800 ; expire
                         3600 ; default_ttl
                         )
;
                 IN      NS      ns1.otn.com.
                 IN      NS      ns2.otn.com.
;
; WebStar server where the web site is hosted.
                 IN      A       206.72.86.13
;
; EIMS (Eudora Internet Mail Server running under MacOS 9.2.2)
; this is where the xxx at first5ventura POP3 mailboxes are hosted
                 IN      MX      10      smtp.otn.com.
;
; WebStar server where the web site is hosted
www             IN      A       206.72.86.13
;
;
; this is what I am trying to configure, linux2.otn.com is 206.72.86.221
; which is the machine with apache/sendmail/mailman
lists           IN      MX      10      linux2.otn.com.
lists           IN      A       206.72.86.221

from httpd.conf:

# virtual host for apache


     ServerAdmin avi at otn.com
     DocumentRoot /var/www/html/first5ventura
     ServerName lists.first5ventura.org
     ErrorLog logs/lists.first5ventura.org-error_log
     CustomLog logs/lists.first5ventura.org-access_log common
     ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/var/mailman/cgi-bin/"
     Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/


     AddHandler cgi-script .cgi
     AddHandler cgi-script .exe
     AllowOverride None
     Options +ExecCGI
     Order allow,deny
     Allow from all



Options +FollowSymlinks


AddDefaultCharset Off




# server wide setup for main domain
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/


Options +FollowSymlinks


AddDefaultCharset Off



-- 

Aviram Carmi
Owner
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Aug 29 06:26:21 2003
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 04:26:21 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New to Mailman, need help
In-Reply-To: 
References: <57933240-D98C-11D7-B8DF-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu>
	
	
Message-ID: <1062129250.5555.12.camel@Anncons4>

Oddly enough there doesn't seem to be any Sendmail integration (addition
of the aliases when added via the web interface) - though it works for
Postfix (after some setup).

Note, you can add the integration yourself.  At one site I simply
spoofed the Postfix integration and made it work with Sendmail.

As to adding the aliases after the fact, that's no problem.  Look at the
existing ones (you should have a "mailman" one at the very least) and
simply copy that one's aliases then substitute your lists name for the
copied lists name.

To see how to use Virtual hosts, look in the file
~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py (but make your changes to mm_cfg.py)
It's fairly simple and there are *lots* of examples in the archives (if
not in the FAQ).

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 23:35, Aviram Carmi wrote:
> seems to be better from sources...
> 
> I still cannot figure out how do to virtual domains lists.
> 
> I configured httpd with a virtual and I have the DNS set up properly....
> 
> Looks like this is working OK
> 
> http://lists.first5ventura.org/mailman/listinfo
> 
> you can see the test list.
> 
> however, I use the web interface to create the list, and I guess that 
> the aliases for sendmail were not create.
> 
> how do I add these aliases after the fact???
> 
> 
> just as an FYI here are my config files for mm/dns/apache
> 
> in mm_cfg.py I have this single line:
> 
> add_virtualhost('lists.first5ventura.org', 'lists.first5ventura.org')
> 
> 
> DNS Setup:
> $ cat /var/named/master/first5ventura.org
> ;; /var/named/master/first5ventura.org
> ;
> $ORIGIN first5ventura.org.
> $TTL 3600
> ;
> @               IN      SOA     ns1.otn.com.    avi.otn.com. (
>                          2003082806 ; serial
>                          21600 ; refresh
>                          1800 ; retry
>                          604800 ; expire
>                          3600 ; default_ttl
>                          )
> ;
>                  IN      NS      ns1.otn.com.
>                  IN      NS      ns2.otn.com.
> ;
> ; WebStar server where the web site is hosted.
>                  IN      A       206.72.86.13
> ;
> ; EIMS (Eudora Internet Mail Server running under MacOS 9.2.2)
> ; this is where the xxx at first5ventura POP3 mailboxes are hosted
>                  IN      MX      10      smtp.otn.com.
> ;
> ; WebStar server where the web site is hosted
> www             IN      A       206.72.86.13
> ;
> ;
> ; this is what I am trying to configure, linux2.otn.com is 206.72.86.221
> ; which is the machine with apache/sendmail/mailman
> lists           IN      MX      10      linux2.otn.com.
> lists           IN      A       206.72.86.221
> 
> from httpd.conf:
> 
> # virtual host for apache
> 
> 
>      ServerAdmin avi at otn.com
>      DocumentRoot /var/www/html/first5ventura
>      ServerName lists.first5ventura.org
>      ErrorLog logs/lists.first5ventura.org-error_log
>      CustomLog logs/lists.first5ventura.org-access_log common
>      ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/var/mailman/cgi-bin/"
>      Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/
> 
> 
>      AddHandler cgi-script .cgi
>      AddHandler cgi-script .exe
>      AllowOverride None
>      Options +ExecCGI
>      Order allow,deny
>      Allow from all
> 
> 
> 
> Options +FollowSymlinks
> 
> 
> AddDefaultCharset Off
> 
> 
> 
> 
> # server wide setup for main domain
> ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/
> Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/
> 
> 
> Options +FollowSymlinks
> 
> 
> AddDefaultCharset Off
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 12:33 -0700 08/28/2003, Aviram Carmi wrote:
> >I am running on RHL 7.3 but I did install the Mailman RPM from RHL 9.0...
> >
> >will try installing from source, thanks,
> >
> >-avi
> >
> >At 14:18 -0500 08/28/2003, Dan Phillips wrote:




From Anders at Thingholm.com  Fri Aug 29 08:40:54 2003
From: Anders at Thingholm.com (Anders N. Thingholm)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:40:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  need help
In-Reply-To: <1062129250.5555.12.camel@Anncons4>
Message-ID: <000901c36df8$7ece6b80$e91210ac@kingguru>

I Unsubscribed this malinglist..  but somehow, I still get all the
mails..  

And why is that ?

Anders




From jfesler at gigo.com  Fri Aug 29 09:11:45 2003
From: jfesler at gigo.com (Jason Fesler)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 00:11:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  need help
In-Reply-To: <000901c36df8$7ece6b80$e91210ac@kingguru>
References: <000901c36df8$7ece6b80$e91210ac@kingguru>
Message-ID: 

> I Unsubscribed this malinglist..  but somehow, I still get all the
> mails..
>
> And why is that ?

That would seem to be a question for mailman-owner at python.org .
You might also verify that you unsubscribed the person
in the signature line:

> This message was sent to: jfesler at gigo.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jfesler%40gigo.com


Your copy of course will look different.



From i-seowtc at profitera.com  Fri Aug 29 09:56:50 2003
From: i-seowtc at profitera.com (Seow Tze Chian)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:56:50 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Page Not Found / Bug in Mailman 2.0.3
Message-ID: <3F4F0742.9070807@profitera.com>

Dear All,

I have configured GForge3 according to the user manual. Sendmail is
working because the confimation emails can get through.
However, whenever i create a new mailing list, a link will be created
under the Links tab. Unfortunately, the link is broken because
the page could not be found (http://mydomain.com/pipermail/gforge-test/)
and as for the link for subscription/unsubscription/preference...
i get a BUG IN MAILMAN 2.0.3 error.
(http://mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/gforge-test). What gives? I have
followed all the instructions
in the manual and i dont see anything wrong with the configurations.
Please Help!

Thanks!

Warm Regards,

Seow







From i-seowtc at profitera.com  Fri Aug 29 10:12:10 2003
From: i-seowtc at profitera.com (Seow Tze Chian)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:12:10 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Page Not Found / Bug in Mailman 2.0.3
In-Reply-To: <3F4F0742.9070807@profitera.com>
References: <3F4F0742.9070807@profitera.com>
Message-ID: <3F4F0ADA.2020000@profitera.com>

I am using a redhat 8 machine. Apparently , i have no permission to 
access the link (http://mydomain.com/pipermail/gforge-test/).


Seow Tze Chian wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> I have configured GForge3 according to the user manual. Sendmail is
> working because the confimation emails can get through.
> However, whenever i create a new mailing list, a link will be created
> under the Links tab. Unfortunately, the link is broken because
> the page could not be found (http://mydomain.com/pipermail/gforge-test/)
> and as for the link for subscription/unsubscription/preference...
> i get a BUG IN MAILMAN 2.0.3 error.
> (http://mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/gforge-test). What gives? I have
> followed all the instructions
> in the manual and i dont see anything wrong with the configurations.
> Please Help!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Warm Regards,
>
> Seow
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> This message was sent to: i-seowtc at profitera.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/i-seowtc%40profitera.com 
>
>
>





From info at bazzmann.com  Fri Aug 29 12:44:41 2003
From: info at bazzmann.com (Marco Trevisan - Bazzmann.Com)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:44:41 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest: how to avoid headers on digest content?
Message-ID: <3F4F2E99.2050900@bazzmann.com>

Hi there,
I'm using MM 2.1 and I see that every digest include headers
in the content, like this:

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:31:08 +0200
From: "Marco Trevisan - Bazzmann.Com" 
To: "Accessibilita', usabilita', esperienze e soluzioni."
	
Subject: [humana] W3C: Due uscite interessanti.
Message-ID: <3F4E203C.1010809 at bazzmann.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Precedence: list
Reply-To: "Accessibilita', usabilita', esperienze e soluzioni."
	
Message: 5

...here start the content of post...

------------------------------

Is it possible to avoid them from digest content (and keep them
just as effective headers)?

Thanks in advance,
Marco

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From phessler at theapt.org  Fri Aug 29 16:58:13 2003
From: phessler at theapt.org (Peter Hessler)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:58:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] disable subject_prefix, and log location
Message-ID: <20030829075813.13124a19.phessler@theapt.org>

I want to create lists that have a null subject_prefix.  When I do so, my
messages seem to disappear into the ether.  How can I set this?

On, another topic, where are the logs for mailman, other than
/var/spool/mailman/logs/*?  Postfix claims it delivered a message to
("|/usr/local/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post testlist"), but I see no record
of any such message in /var/spool/mailman/logs/*

-- 
Not only is this incomprehensible, but the ink is ugly and the paper
is from the wrong kind of tree.
		-- Professor W., EECS, George Washington University



From scott.coats at mwsc.com  Fri Aug 29 17:21:30 2003
From: scott.coats at mwsc.com (Scott Coats)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:21:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Admin via e-mail
Message-ID: 

I just setup Mailman and it works great!  I previously used Majordomo and 
was only able to configure it via the email interface.  Is this possible 
with Mailman?  If so, how do I set this up?  Is there an email address to 
send mail admin request to?  Do I setup a address to pipe to a program.

Please advise.

-- 
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Manager of Information Technology
Machine & Welding Supply Company
Direct: 910.980.6150
Fax   : 910.980.6450
Main  : 910.892.4016 






From avi at otn.com  Fri Aug 29 06:29:24 2003
From: avi at otn.com (Aviram Carmi)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:29:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cannot send message to a virtual list?
Message-ID: 

found the sendmail log file /var/log/maillog

looks like connection was refused?

so I guess I do need to do something to sendmail to make it realize that it should handle email for lists.first5ventura.org...

any ideas what I should do to sendmail?

Aug 28 20:55:32 ns2 sendmail[26135]: alias database /etc/aliases rebuilt by root
Aug 28 20:55:32 ns2 sendmail[26135]: /etc/aliases: 61 aliases, longest 48 bytes, 1497 bytes total
Aug 28 21:01:00 ns2 sendmail[26317]: h7T410Y5026317: from=root, size=544, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200308290401.h7T410Y5026317 at ns2.otn.com>, relay=root at localhost
Aug 28 21:01:00 ns2 sendmail[26328]: h7T410rU026328: from=, size=792, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200308290401.h7T410Y5026317 at ns2.otn.com>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
Aug 28 21:01:00 ns2 sendmail[26317]: h7T410Y5026317: to=avi-root at otn.com, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30264, relay=localhost.localdomain. [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h7T410rU026328 Message accepted for delivery)
Aug 28 21:01:01 ns2 sendmail[26330]: h7T410rU026328: to=, ctladdr= (0/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=30512, relay=mail.otn.com. [206.72.86.2], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (message received OK)
Aug 28 21:02:46 ns2 sendmail[26391]: h7T3V6rU025345: to=, delay=00:31:40, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=120310, relay=linux2.otn.com. [206.72.86.221], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection refused by linux2.otn.com.
Aug 28 21:17:34 ns2 sendmail[26867]: h7T4HYrU026867: from=, size=1762, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
Aug 28 21:17:35 ns2 sendmail[26869]: h7T4HYrU026867: to=, delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=138578, relay=mail.otn.com. [206.72.86.2], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (message received OK)

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From avi at otn.com  Fri Aug 29 18:46:31 2003
From: avi at otn.com (Aviram Carmi)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:46:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cannot send message to a virtual list?
In-Reply-To: <003d01c36e4a$a50ca350$9c01a8c0@home.middlefinger.net>
References: <003d01c36e4a$a50ca350$9c01a8c0@home.middlefinger.net>
Message-ID: 

Thanks,

I'll try it,
well, now I can at least talk to sendmail, but relaying is denied...


The following message could not be delivered because the address
test-owner at lists.first5ventura.org was rejected by host lists.first5ventura.org
  (206.72.86.221).
550 5.7.1 ... Relaying denied. IP 
name possibly forged [206.72.86.2]

Reporting-MTA: dns; otn.com
Arrival-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:42:36 -0700

Final-Recipient: rfc822; test-owner at lists.first5ventura.org
Action: failed
Status: 5.7.1
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 5.7.1 
... Relaying denied. IP name 
possibly forged [206.72.86.2]




it is not a new install, it is RHL 7.3, but I am so afraid of 
touching anything I do not understand (I have a special fear of 
sendmail...) that I did not touch anything I did not have to...

sendmail.mc is dated Jul 2002 and sendmail.cf is dated Aug 2002

the machine was mainly used as a secondary DNS server, but I stared 
adding stuff to it... calendar cgi, daily web stats (from the WebSTAR 
log files) and now I am adding mailman.


At 11:28 -0500 08/29/2003, Mike Kercher wrote:
>Is linux2.otn.com a new Redhat install?  If so, take a look at
>/etc/mail/sendmail.mc and find the line that says:
>
>DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA')
>
>Change it to say:
>
>dnl DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA')
>
>Save your changes and then:
>
>cd /etc/mail;make;service sendmail restart
>
>That should do the trick.
>
>Mike
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org
>[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] On Behalf Of
>Aviram Carmi
>Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 11:29 PM
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] cannot send message to a virtual list?
>
>
>found the sendmail log file /var/log/maillog
>
>looks like connection was refused?
>
>so I guess I do need to do something to sendmail to make it realize that it
>should handle email for lists.first5ventura.org...
>
>any ideas what I should do to sendmail?

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From avi at otn.com  Fri Aug 29 18:52:26 2003
From: avi at otn.com (Aviram Carmi)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:52:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] forwarding test-owner@lists.first5ventura.org
	to another domain?
In-Reply-To: <20030829061007.GA71829@ns2.wananchi.com>
References: 
	<20030829061007.GA71829@ns2.wananchi.com>
Message-ID: 

At 09:10 +0300 08/29/2003, ODHIAMBO Washington wrote:
>* Aviram Carmi  [20030829 07:21]: wrote:
>>  Hi again,
>>
>>  how do I forward email to list's owner
>>  test-owner at lists.first5ventura.org to lisa at first5ventura.org?
>>
>>  same for the list's admin test-admin?
>>
>>  I assume I need to mess with the /etc/aliases but I have no idea how
>>  to do it...
>
>
>[.....]
>
>
>You login in there and put the addresses, or if not, blow
>away the list and when recreating it, put the list owner
>as lisa at first5ventura.org.
>
>
>
>-Wash
>
>PS::REQUEST
>
>Whenever responding, please, put your response _under_ the original (previous)
>posting/message(s), not above them. This is the basics of Netiquette.
>
>Also, remove unneeded fragments of previous message(s), especially any
>"commercial" adverts and signatures. It's really ugly, space-wasting and
>hard-answerable to have all that junk nested a couple of times. Thank you.
>
>Q: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
>A: Why is top posting frowned upon?

Thanks,

I will try it, but right now, sendmail will not even let me send mail 
to it. first it refused SMTP connections, now that I commended out 
something in sendmail.mc (per advise I got) sendmail refuses to 
relay...

did not know that, I always put my reply at the top, so that it is 
easier to find/read.  will put at the bottom from now own.

-avi


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From atropos at fates.org  Fri Aug 29 19:42:32 2003
From: atropos at fates.org (David B. O'Donnell)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:42:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman v 2.0.13
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <2147483647.1062164552@mrspeel.fates.org>

On Tuesday, 26 August 2003 20:37 +0100, Richard Barrett 
 wrote:

> You might also find this useful:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg12599.html

See also: 

While it is aimed at Mac OS X Server, the steps for installing on Mac OS X 
client should vary but little.

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  -- Scott Hazen Mueller



From mailman at vo.cnchost.com  Fri Aug 29 19:48:35 2003
From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:48:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] forwarding
	test-owner@lists.first5ventura.org to another domain?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20030829061007.GA71829@ns2.wananchi.com>
	
	<20030829061007.GA71829@ns2.wananchi.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.10.0.20030829104539.05077468@127.0.0.1>

At 09:52 AM 8/29/2003, Aviram Carmi wrote:


>>PS::REQUEST
>>
>>Whenever responding, please, put your response _under_ the original 
>>(previous) posting/message(s), not above them. This is the basics of 
>>Netiquette.
>>
>>Also, remove unneeded fragments of previous message(s), especially any
>>"commercial" adverts and signatures. It's really ugly, space-wasting and
>>hard-answerable to have all that junk nested a couple of times. Thank you.
>>
>>Q: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
>>A: Why is top posting frowned upon?
>
>Thanks,
>
>I will try it, but right now, sendmail will not even let me send mail to 
>it. first it refused SMTP connections, now that I commended out something 
>in sendmail.mc (per advise I got) sendmail refuses to relay...

You have a sendmail problem, it is not properly configured to relay for 
your mailman email.  The solution will be found within sendmail, and if you 
don't know how to find that then you should ask on a sendmail list.  It's 
no longer a mailman issue.

>I did not know that, I always put my reply at the top, so that it is 
>easier to find/read.  will put at the bottom from now own.

You need to *also* snip un-needed text from the quoted material, only quote 
the portion you are directly replying to.

jc





From doug.lawrence at stokeslaw.com  Fri Aug 29 20:02:55 2003
From: doug.lawrence at stokeslaw.com (Doug Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:02:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Edit Archive
Message-ID: <2DEB0213D687344A961D7FDF380C2C67500C05@sl-mail1.stokeslaw.com>

Hi all:

I saw an earlier message asking if there was a way to edit an archive to
delete or edit a message contained in the archive file, but saw no
response.  Anyone have an idea how to do that?

Much thanks.  We want to clean up our records to delete old
administrative or other "unwanted" messages.

_______________________________________

Douglas Lawrence




From avi at otn.com  Fri Aug 29 20:11:33 2003
From: avi at otn.com (Aviram Carmi)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:11:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] forwarding  
	test-owner@lists.first5ventura.org to another domain?
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.10.0.20030829104539.05077468@127.0.0.1>
References: <20030829061007.GA71829@ns2.wananchi.com>
	
	<20030829061007.GA71829@ns2.wananchi.com>
	<6.0.0.10.0.20030829104539.05077468@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: 

At 10:48 -0700 08/29/2003, JC Dill wrote:
>
>You have a sendmail problem, it is not properly configured to relay 
> for your mailman email.  The solution will be found within 
> sendmail, and if you don't know how to find that then you should 
> ask on a sendmail list.  It's no longer a mailman issue.
>
>jc


OK, I am learning slowly but surly...

I resolved my sendmail problems, (added lists.first5venttura.org to 
/etc/mail/access local-host-names and relay-domains)

Now I can "talk" to mailman...

however this is what I get back from mailman.  I guess I messed up 
the configuration, but even though this message from mailmain 
probably looks very clear to you guys, I am lost...

do I need to re-install mailman from scratch with --with-mail-gid=mail ?

what about the other configuration changes I made? will I have to re 
do all of them?


The original message was received at Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:03:32 -0700
from 206-72-86-2.otn.com [206.72.86.2] (may be forged)

    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/var/mailman/mail/mailman owner test"
     (reason: 2)
     (expanded from: )

    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail
wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but
the system's mail server executed the mail script as
group "mail".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the
script as group "mailman", or re-run configure,
providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mail'.
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2

Reporting-MTA: dns; ns2.otn.com
Received-From-MTA: DNS; 206-72-86-2.otn.com
Arrival-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:03:32 -0700

Final-Recipient: RFC822; test-owner at lists.first5ventura.org
X-Actual-Recipient: X-Unix; |/var/mailman/mail/mailman owner test
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 2
Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:03:33 -0700

Return-Path: 
Received: from otn.com (206-72-86-2.otn.com [206.72.86.2] (may be forged))
	by ns2.otn.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h7TI3WGB020690
	for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 
11:03:32 -0700
Received: from 206-72-86-42.otn.com (206.72.86.42) by otn.com with ESMTP
  (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.2) for
  ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:03:31 -0700
Mime-Version: 1.0
Message-Id: 
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:03:08 -0700
To: test-owner at lists.first5ventura.org
From: Aviram Carmi 
Subject: testing
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

this is only a test.

-avi

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From jwilliams at courtesymortgage.com  Fri Aug 29 20:52:46 2003
From: jwilliams at courtesymortgage.com (Jason Williams)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:52:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems setting up mailman
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030829115038.00a7e810@pop.courtesymortgage.com>

Hello everyone...

Well, im in the process of setting up Mailman on my server...
The server is running RH 8.0.
I went ahead and downloaded the RPM from Red Hat and it installed Apache as 
well...

I followed the directions in the httpd-mailman.conf file and copied it over 
to my httpd.conf

I fired up apache and went to http://localhost/mailman

And was prompted with the page...

Where I am now having problems is how to setup my lists...

I have been reading through the README file that comes with the tarball, 
and tried going to: http://localhost/mailman/create but I get a page not 
found...

So im missing something and not sure what it is...

Can anyone help me out?

I appreciate it.

Jason




From jwilliams at courtesymortgage.com  Fri Aug 29 21:09:39 2003
From: jwilliams at courtesymortgage.com (Jason Williams)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:09:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems setting up mailman
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030829115038.00a7e810@pop.courtesymortgage.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030829120927.00af0ec0@pop.courtesymortgage.com>

At 11:52 AM 8/29/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Hello everyone...
>
>Well, im in the process of setting up Mailman on my server...
>The server is running RH 8.0.
>I went ahead and downloaded the RPM from Red Hat and it installed Apache 
>as well...
>
>I followed the directions in the httpd-mailman.conf file and copied it 
>over to my httpd.conf
>
>I fired up apache and went to http://localhost/mailman
>
>And was prompted with the page...
>
>Where I am now having problems is how to setup my lists...
>
>I have been reading through the README file that comes with the tarball, 
>and tried going to: http://localhost/mailman/create but I get a page not 
>found...
>
>So im missing something and not sure what it is...
>
>Can anyone help me out?
>
>I appreciate it.
>
>Jason
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
>This message was sent to: jwilliams at courtesymortgage.com
>Unsubscribe or change your options at
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From jwilliams at courtesymortgage.com  Fri Aug 29 21:17:24 2003
From: jwilliams at courtesymortgage.com (Jason Williams)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:17:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems setting up mailman
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030829120927.00af0ec0@pop.courtesymortgage.com
 >
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030829115038.00a7e810@pop.courtesymortgage.com >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030829121702.00ae6c58@pop.courtesymortgage.com>

Nevermind...think I figuredit out...I just used the command line scripts...

Just a few quick questions:

Im running postfix on this server...what do I need to do, if anything, to 
configure mailman and postfix to work together correctly?

I have not been able to find anything as far as documentation so far...

Can someone point me in the right direction?

Thank you.

Jason


At 12:09 PM 8/29/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>At 11:52 AM 8/29/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>>Hello everyone...
>>
>>Well, im in the process of setting up Mailman on my server...
>>The server is running RH 8.0.
>>I went ahead and downloaded the RPM from Red Hat and it installed Apache 
>>as well...
>>
>>I followed the directions in the httpd-mailman.conf file and copied it 
>>over to my httpd.conf
>>
>>I fired up apache and went to http://localhost/mailman
>>
>>And was prompted with the page...
>>
>>Where I am now having problems is how to setup my lists...
>>
>>I have been reading through the README file that comes with the tarball, 
>>and tried going to: http://localhost/mailman/create but I get a page not 
>>found...
>>
>>So im missing something and not sure what it is...
>>
>>Can anyone help me out?
>>
>>I appreciate it.
>>
>>Jason
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------
>>Mailman-Users mailing list
>>Mailman-Users at python.org
>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>
>>This message was sent to: jwilliams at courtesymortgage.com
>>Unsubscribe or change your options at
>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jwilliams%40courtesymortgage.com
>
>
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>
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From mrl at psfc.mit.edu  Fri Aug 29 21:33:00 2003
From: mrl at psfc.mit.edu (Mark London)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:33:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving a mailing list question.
Message-ID: <3F4FAA6C.5010901@psfc.mit.edu>

I have mailman installed on node A, under Apache, with lots of mailing 
lists.  I have created an alias for node A named LISTS, and I want 
people to access the mailing lists using the address LISTS rather than 
A.  However, when I access the node using the address LISTS, it tells me 
there are no mailing lists.  I can create new ones when I am connected 
via LISTS, but I don't want to have to recreate all my mailing lists.  I 
just want to move the present ones.  However, from what I can see, both 
mailing lists created under A and under LISTS use the same directories! 
 So what's the trick to moving them?  Thanks!





From jwblist at olympus.net  Fri Aug 29 21:35:16 2003
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:35:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] disable subject_prefix, and log location
In-Reply-To: <20030829075813.13124a19.phessler@theapt.org>
References: <20030829075813.13124a19.phessler@theapt.org>
Message-ID: 

At 7:58 -0700 8/29/2003, Peter Hessler wrote:
>On, another topic, where are the logs for mailman, other than
>/var/spool/mailman/logs/*?  Postfix claims it delivered a message to
>("|/usr/local/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post testlist"), but I see no record
>of any such message in /var/spool/mailman/logs/*

Have a peek in /var/log/mailman

That's where the mailman logs are hiding on our system (Mailman installed
by another, not me...I would have preferred our usual place for logs).

   --John
-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From avi at otn.com  Fri Aug 29 22:02:07 2003
From: avi at otn.com (Aviram Carmi)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:02:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question regarding confirmation
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20030829061007.GA71829@ns2.wananchi.com>
	
	<20030829061007.GA71829@ns2.wananchi.com>
	<6.0.0.10.0.20030829104539.05077468@127.0.0.1>
	
Message-ID: 

At 11:11 -0700 08/29/2003, Aviram Carmi wrote:
>Now I can "talk" to mailman...
>

I re-configured mailman --with-mail-gid=mail, it seems to work now, 
thanks to all who helped.

one observation though.

the confirmation message when a user received when they join, says to

"simply reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact."

however, replying to the message, by default ads "Re:" to the subject 
which caused the confirmation to be rejected by mailman. see below.

Replying again, after removeing the "Re:" worked, and I got the 
"welcome" message.

Shouldn't mailman be smarter and recognize the "Re:"?

I'll bet that most users will just hit "reply" which (at least on my 
email client Eudora 5.2.1 under MacOS 9.2.2) adds an "Re:" to the 
subject line.

Is there a setting I am missing?

-avi


>Subject: The results of your email commands
>From: test-bounces at lists.first5ventura.org
>To: aviram at overthenet.com
>Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:10:38 -0700
>X-BeenThere: test at lists.first5ventura.org
>X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2
>List-Id: testing mailing list for first5ventura.org
>	
>Sender: test-bounces at lists.first5ventura.org
>
>The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
>original message.
>
>
>- Unprocessed:
>     >
>     >-avi
>     >
>     >Your address "aviram at overthenet.com" has been invited to join the Test
>     >mailing list at lists.first5ventura.org by the Test mailing list owner.
>     >You may accept the invitation by simply replying to this message, keeping
>     >the Subject: header intact.
>     >
>     >You can also visit this web page:
>     >
>     >
>     >http://lists.first5ventura.org/mailman/confirm/test/b45966a5c5914b1e8c
>     >3fc09a9a24b8496c38d99f
>     >
>     >
>     >Or you should include the following line -- and only the following
>     >line -- in a message to test-request at lists.first5ventura.org:
>     >
>     >    confirm b45966a5c5914b1e8c3fc09a9a24b8496c38d99f
>     >
>     >Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from
>     >most mail readers.
>     >
>     >If you want to decline this invitation, please simply disregard this
>
>- Ignored:
>     >message.  If you have any questions, please send them to
>     >test-owner at lists.first5ventura.org.
>
>
>- Done.
>
>
-avi

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From phessler at theapt.org  Fri Aug 29 22:12:43 2003
From: phessler at theapt.org (Peter Hessler)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:12:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] disable subject_prefix, and log location
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20030829075813.13124a19.phessler@theapt.org>
	
Message-ID: <20030829201243.GB433@theapt.org>

On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 12:35:16PM -0700, John W Baxter wrote:
:At 7:58 -0700 8/29/2003, Peter Hessler wrote:
:>On, another topic, where are the logs for mailman, other than
:>/var/spool/mailman/logs/*?  Postfix claims it delivered a message to
:>("|/usr/local/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post testlist"), but I see no record
:>of any such message in /var/spool/mailman/logs/*
:
:Have a peek in /var/log/mailman
:
:That's where the mailman logs are hiding on our system (Mailman installed
:by another, not me...I would have preferred our usual place for logs).
:
Wasn't created on my system.  I created it, figured out the problem, 
and fixed it.  (BTW, it was permissions.  /var/spool/mailman was 
_mailman:_mailman, not _mailman:nobody, like it expected)

Once I fixed that, I discovered that setting subject_prefix to null actually 
was working properly.

Thanks for your help.  Now I get to fix the port (I installed it from 
OpenBSD ports)


:   --John
:-- 
:John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA
:

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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Aug 29 21:12:00 2003
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:12:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delivered-For:  header.. msg_header
 options
In-Reply-To: <0308281935250.0@somehost.domainz.com>
References: <0308281935250.0@somehost.domainz.com>
Message-ID: 

At 7:38 PM -0500 2003/08/28, Erik Parker wrote:

>  So.. Most people have their roles search the entire message for any occurance
>  of their email address. I figure adding a Delivered-To: or For: header in the
>  headers would fix that.

	This is an MTA issue.  When mailman queues the outgoing message, 
in most cases it will queue just one copy for all of the mailing list 
recipients.  It will then be up to the MTA to split that out as 
appropriate and deliver the copies to the recipients.

	You could turn on list customization, so that mailman sends out a 
separate message for every recipient, at which time it will put the 
user's e-mail address in the footer.  But this causes a significant 
increase in load on the server, and may not be feasible in your case.

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Aug 29 21:14:10 2003
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:14:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delivered-For:  header.. msg_header
 options
In-Reply-To: <0308282013410.0@somehost.domainz.com>
References: <0308281935250.0@somehost.domainz.com>
	<0308282013410.0@somehost.domainz.com>
Message-ID: 

At 8:14 PM -0500 2003/08/28, Erik Parker wrote:

>  Would still be interesting to see if this is possible, but I found a work
>  around in Sendmail to just add:
>
>  H?P?X-Envelope-To: $u

	Note that the $u macro will be defined if and only if there is 
one and only one recipient for the current message.  This will not be 
the case for mailing list mail being sent by the server, unless you 
have turned on list customization.  In that case, mailman will send 
out one copy of the message for each and every recipient, and will 
put their e-mail address in the footer.

	Also, in the case of a single recipient per message, most MTAs 
are already configured to put this kind of information into the 
headers, usually the "Received:" headers.

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From jwilliams at courtesymortgage.com  Fri Aug 29 22:18:20 2003
From: jwilliams at courtesymortgage.com (Jason Williams)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:18:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Postfix install
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030829131610.00b1ce78@pop.courtesymortgage.com>

Hello everyone...

Well, I took the advice of some people on this list and im ditching the RH 
rpm that I used and im going to compile mailman from source...better anyway..

I just have two questions I need clarified:

--with-mail-gid=
 From reading this, I should set the group the group I specified for 
postfix correct? In that case, the group I created was postfix...so just 
postfix?

--with-cgi-gid=
Simple enough...using apache, apache is the winner..

Last part: Do I need to recompile postfix at all to get mailman and postfix 
to work together? Or is there another option to get these two compiled?

Thanks for your help...

Jason



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Aug 29 22:50:47 2003
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:50:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems setting up mailman
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030829121702.00ae6c58@pop.courtesymortgage.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030829115038.00a7e810@pop.courtesymortgage.com >
	<5.2.1.1.0.20030829121702.00ae6c58@pop.courtesymortgage.com>
Message-ID: 

At 12:17 PM -0700 2003/08/29, Jason Williams wrote:

>  Im running postfix on this server...what do I need to do, if anything,
>  to configure mailman and postfix to work together correctly?

	Start with the documentation that comes with mailman, 
specifically aimed at people who use postfix as their MTA. 
Specifically, README.POSTFIX in the main mailman-2.1.2 directory.

	You could then go to the Mailman FAQ Wizard page and enter 
"postfix" into the search field, and get back a number of hits at the 
URL 
:

1. Introduction: What is GNU Mailman?
1.7. I've set up mailman, created a list, and added myself to the 
list, but I don't get any messages!
1.13. What is an MTA? What is an MUA? What is an MDA or LDA?

3. List administrator tasks
3.14. Troubleshooting: No mail going out to lists members

4. Site administrator tasks
4.2. Which MTA should I use with Mailman? *
4.9. Summary of the mailman/bin/ commands
4.11. What about performance?
4.12. What about VERP?
4.14. How do I upgrade from Mailman 2.0.x to Mailman 2.0.y *
4.20. Who should deal with transient DNS errors?

6. Integration issues (with mail or web servers)
6.3. MTA Performance Tuning Tips for Sendmail
6.4. MTA Performance Tuning Tips for Postfix
6.6. Mailman Performance Tuning for Mail Delivery
6.7. Initial Mailman v2.0 with TMDA and MIME filtering HOW-TO
6.9. I get a "RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias" when 
creating lists and Postfix is my MTA

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)



From paul at thcwd.com  Sat Aug 30 03:57:51 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:57:51 -0500
Subject: Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users]@thcwd htdig error
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030829203449.03811ea0@mail.thcwd.com>

Richard Barrett  wrote:
>On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 08:27  pm, Paul H Byerly wrote:
>
> > I've got ht://dig working nicely, but I get an error message each time
> > the nightly cron job runs:
> >
> > From: root at svr01.thcwd.com (Cron Daemon)
> > To: mailman at svr01.thcwd.com
> > Subject: Cron  /usr/local/bin/python2.2 -S
> > /usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig
> > X-Cron-Env: 
> > X-Cron-Env: 
> > X-Cron-Env: 
> > X-Cron-Env: 
> >
> > /bin/sort: /opt/www/htdig/db/sort99SAvz: Permission denied
> > htmerge: Word sort failed
> >
> > /bin/sort: /opt/www/htdig/db/sortTjcbiZ: Permission denied
> > htmerge: Word sort failed
> >
> >
> >      The cron job and /opt/www/htdig/db/ both have the permissions
> > root:mailman .  The /opt/www/htdig/db/ has no files in it.  My
> > /opt/www/htdig/conf/htdig.conf reads:
> >
> > database_dir:           /opt/www/htdig/db
> >
>
>When rundig is executed by nightly_htdig it uses the -c option so that
>the per-list htdig configuration file found as
>$prefix/archives/private//htdig/.conf is used.

      That was my understanding, and clearly that is being done.


> >      My individual list folders
> > (../mailman/archives/private//htdig/) have the proper files
> > and they update correctly.  Everything seems to run correctly.  Is
> > this ht://dig "going back to it's roots" and trying to do something I
> > have no need for?
> >
>Take a look at the /opt/www/htdig/bin/rundig shell script.
>
>My rundig, as installed by the standard htdig 3.1.6 build default,
>takes the default $DBDIR from the build and nominates it as the $TMPDIR
>when running htmerge.

      I have the same thing.

>This probably explains why htmerge is using that
>directory for temporary sort files.

      Ah, so I see nothing because they are cleared after it runs.  Okay.

>Why you are seeing the permissions failure if the cron job is being run
>from the mailman uid's crontab,

      It is:

-rw-r--r--    1 root     mailman      1556 Aug 20 21:07 crontab.in

and /usr/local/mailman/cron/crontab.in reads in part:

# At 2:19am every night, regenerate htdig search files.  Only
# turn this on if the internal archiver is used and htdig
# use enabled in mm_cfg.py with USE_HTDIG
19 2 * * * /usr/local/bin/python2.2 -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig


>  and if that uid has write permissions
>over the /opt/www/htdig/db directory,

drwxr-xr-x    2 root     mailman      4096 Aug 20 21:38 db


>is more of a mystery. You could
>try modifying the rundig script to try using another area like /tmp
>(but note the cautions in the rundig script's comments) and see if that
>resolves the problem.

      Why do I have a feeling this is one more bane of Ensim's chrooted 
environment?  I am not seeing any failures of the search engine, but maybe 
I've just not run across them?

      I'm getting different things each day, and some days more than 
one.  What do the failures mean/tell me?    The last 5 days are:

/bin/sort: /opt/www/htdig/db/sortT8E1SH: Permission denied
htmerge: Word sort failed

../sortu9ljsc
../sort62TlPS
../sort99SAvz  sortTjcbiZ
../sortmlhFd4

       BTW, when I run form the command line I don't get these errors.


<>< Paul 

From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sat Aug 30 09:27:26 2003
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:27:26 +0100
Subject: Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users]@thcwd htdig error
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030829203449.03811ea0@mail.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: <67771E6A-DABB-11D7-B856-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 02:57  am, Paul H Byerly wrote:

> Richard Barrett? wrote:
>
> On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 08:27? pm, Paul H Byerly wrote:
>
> > I've got ht://dig working nicely, but I get an error message each 
> time
> > the nightly cron job runs:
> >
> > From: root at svr01.thcwd.com (Cron Daemon)
> > To: mailman at svr01.thcwd.com
> > Subject: Cron  /usr/local/bin/python2.2 -S
> > /usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig
> > X-Cron-Env: 
> > X-Cron-Env: 
> > X-Cron-Env: 
> > X-Cron-Env: 
> >
> > /bin/sort: /opt/www/htdig/db/sort99SAvz: Permission denied
> > htmerge: Word sort failed
> >
> > /bin/sort: /opt/www/htdig/db/sortTjcbiZ: Permission denied
> > htmerge: Word sort failed
> >
> >
> >????? The cron job and /opt/www/htdig/db/ both have the permissions
> > root:mailman .? The /opt/www/htdig/db/ has no files in it.? My
> > /opt/www/htdig/conf/htdig.conf reads:
> >
> > database_dir:?????????? /opt/www/htdig/db
> >
>
> When rundig is executed by nightly_htdig it uses the -c option so that
> the per-list htdig configuration file found as
> $prefix/archives/private//htdig/.conf is used.
>
>
> ???? That was my understanding, and clearly that is being done.
>
>
> >????? My individual list folders
> > (../mailman/archives/private//htdig/) have the proper files
> > and they update correctly.? Everything seems to run correctly.? Is
> > this ht://dig "going back to it's roots" and trying to do something I
> > have no need for?
> >
> Take a look at the /opt/www/htdig/bin/rundig shell script.
>
> My rundig, as installed by the standard htdig 3.1.6 build default,
> takes the default $DBDIR from the build and nominates it as the $TMPDIR
> when running htmerge.
>
>
> ???? I have the same thing.
>
> This probably explains why htmerge is using that
> directory for temporary sort files.
>
>
> ???? Ah, so I see nothing because they are cleared after it runs.? 
> Okay.
>
> Why you are seeing the permissions failure if the cron job is being run
> from the mailman uid's crontab,
>
>
> ???? It is:
>
> -rw-r--r--??? 1 root???? mailman????? 1556 Aug 20 21:07 crontab.in
>
> and /usr/local/mailman/cron/crontab.in reads in part:
>
> # At 2:19am every night, regenerate htdig search files.? Only
> # turn this on if the internal archiver is used and htdig
> # use enabled in mm_cfg.py with USE_HTDIG
> 19 2 * * * /usr/local/bin/python2.2 -S 
> /usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig
>
>
> ?and if that uid has write permissions
> over the /opt/www/htdig/db directory,
>
>
> drwxr-xr-x??? 2 root???? mailman????? 4096 Aug 20 21:38 db
>
In my case the permissions for /opt/www/htdig/db are set to drwxrwxr-x, 
which given that I run the Mailman cron scripts with the 'mailman' uid, 
is necessary.

>
> is more of a mystery. You could
> try modifying the rundig script to try using another area like /tmp
> (but note the cautions in the rundig script's comments) and see if that
> resolves the problem.
>
>
> ???? Why do I have a feeling this is one more bane of Ensim's chrooted 
> environment?? I am not seeing any failures of the search engine, but 
> maybe I've just not run across them?
>
> ???? I'm getting different things each day, and some days more than 
> one.? What do the failures mean/tell me???? The last 5 days are:
>
> /bin/sort: /opt/www/htdig/db/sortT8E1SH: Permission denied
> htmerge: Word sort failed
>
> ../sortu9ljsc
> ../sort62TlPS
> ../sort99SAvz? sortTjcbiZ
> ../sortmlhFd4
>
I wonder if the sort doesn't need a temporary file on every occasion or 
for every list. But that is just a SWAG.

> ????? BTW, when I run form the command line I don't get these errors.
>
What uid are you running from the command line as, mailman or root?

Richard



From kl at vsen.dk  Sat Aug 30 16:05:43 2003
From: kl at vsen.dk (Klavs Klavsen)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:05:43 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] maildir support
Message-ID: <1062252335.3354.48.camel@amd.vsen.dk>

Hi guys,

I'm new to Mailman and I can see from the Defaults.py that it supports
mailman, and from the lists I gather it just started doing so a few
months ago.

What are the experiences with it? Mailman doesn't get new releases very
often (2.1.2 has lasted for quite some time now) so that would seem no
bugs have been found in the maildir support - but ofcourse it could just
be that no one is using it :)

Thanks for a great piece of software, I hope will stay with me for many
years to come :)

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From paul at thcwd.com  Sat Aug 30 19:00:07 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:00:07 -0500
Subject: Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users]@thcwd htdig error
In-Reply-To: <67771E6A-DABB-11D7-B856-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030829203449.03811ea0@mail.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030830115029.036bb220@mail.thcwd.com>

Richard Barrett wrote:
>On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 02:57  am, Paul H Byerly wrote:
>
>>  and if that uid has write permissions
>>over the /opt/www/htdig/db directory,
>>
>>
>>drwxr-xr-x    2 root     mailman      4096 Aug 20 21:38 db
>In my case the permissions for /opt/www/htdig/db are set to drwxrwxr-x, 
>which given that I run the Mailman cron scripts with the 'mailman' uid, is 
>necessary.

      Ah.  Ensim won't set anything over 755, but fortunately that folder 
is in a location where I can override it.  So I will see if that takes care 
of it.

>I wonder if the sort doesn't need a temporary file on every occasion or 
>for every list. But that is just a SWAG.

      It's clearly getting the new posts, so it's not every list every time.

>>       BTW, when I run form the command line I don't get these errors.
>What uid are you running from the command line as, mailman or root?

      Usually from an account that has root access but it not root.  But I 
tried it as mailman before I did the chmod and got no errors.

      Thanks for the time and patience Richard!

<>< Paul


<>< Paul 




From paul at thcwd.com  Sat Aug 30 19:48:40 2003
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:48:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question regarding confirmation
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030830120143.0381b138@mail.thcwd.com>

Aviram Carmi wrote:
>the confirmation message when a user received when they join, says to
>
>"simply reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact."
>
>however, replying to the message, by default ads "Re:" to the subject
>which caused the confirmation to be rejected by mailman. see below.
>
>Replying again, after removeing the "Re:" worked, and I got the
>"welcome" message.
>
>Shouldn't mailman be smarter and recognize the "Re:"?
>
>I'll bet that most users will just hit "reply" which (at least on my
>email client Eudora 5.2.1 under MacOS 9.2.2) adds an "Re:" to the
>subject line.

      I'm running the same version of Eudora under Windows, and do not have 
this problem.  Either something else is happening when your reply is sent, 
or something is configured wrong on the Mailman end.


<>< Paul 




From dhphllps at memphis.edu  Sat Aug 30 20:06:23 2003
From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:06:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question regarding confirmation
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030830120143.0381b138@mail.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: 

On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 12:48  PM, Paul H Byerly wrote:
> Aviram Carmi wrote:
>> the confirmation message when a user received when they join, says to
>>
>> "simply reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact."
>>
>> however, replying to the message, by default ads "Re:" to the subject
>> which caused the confirmation to be rejected by mailman. see below.
>>
>> Replying again, after removeing the "Re:" worked, and I got the
>> "welcome" message.
>>
>> Shouldn't mailman be smarter and recognize the "Re:"?
>>
>> I'll bet that most users will just hit "reply" which (at least on my
>> email client Eudora 5.2.1 under MacOS 9.2.2) adds an "Re:" to the
>> subject line.
>
>      I'm running the same version of Eudora under Windows, and do not 
> have this problem.  Either something else is happening when your reply 
> is sent, or something is configured wrong on the Mailman end.
>

I just tried the same test using Eudora under OS X and it worked fine 
despite the "re:" I also tried it leaving the white space and the 
"reply" character at the beginning of the confirm line and it also 
worked fine. I don't have a classic OS  Eudora to try it with.

Dan




From mail at schoeppi.net  Sat Aug 30 23:31:03 2003
From: mail at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 23:31:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What are listmoderators allowed to do?
Message-ID: <20030830213103.GD1279@toshiba>

Hello!

I have some lists that have different people for administration and 
moderation. No I wonder, what things listmoderators are allowed to do?

For example listadmins have no problem to set users to nomail by using 
mailman's webinterface, but how about the moderators? Are they able to 
disable maildelivery for some listmembers too? 

Is it possible to allow moderators the access only for the webbased 
usermanagement of the lists?

Is there somewhere a documentation about the things a moderator is allowed 
to do and how this things can be done?

Best regards and thanks,
Schoeppi

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From mail at schoeppi.net  Sun Aug 31 01:50:48 2003
From: mail at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 01:50:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with setting users to 'delivery off'
Message-ID: <20030830235048.GA3135@toshiba>

Hello!

Users on my server can't deactivate maildelivery for their listmails via 
email :-(. They sent a mail to listname-request at my.domain with the 
following tow commands:

set authenticate password
set delivery off

A mail came back that said that option delivery was set, but the users 
still get mails from the list. If they deactivate delivery via their
personal mailmanwebpage, delivery was turned off succesfuly.

Is this a known problem or do they something wrong? We run mailman 2.1.2 
with postfix 2.0.12.

Ciao,
Schoeppi

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From avi at otn.com  Sun Aug 31 03:44:36 2003
From: avi at otn.com (Aviram Carmi)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:44:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question regarding confirmation
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

At 13:06 -0500 08/30/2003, Dan Phillips wrote:
>On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 12:48  PM, Paul H Byerly wrote:
>>  Aviram Carmi wrote:
>>>  the confirmation message when a user received when they join, says to
>>>
>>>  "simply reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact."
>>>
>>>  however, replying to the message, by default ads "Re:" to the subject
>>>  which caused the confirmation to be rejected by mailman. see below.
>>
>>       I'm running the same version of Eudora under Windows, and do 
>> not have this problem.  Either something else is happening when 
>> your reply is sent, or something is configured wrong on the 
>> Mailman end.
>>
>
>I just tried the same test using Eudora under OS X and it worked 
> fine despite the "re:" I also tried it leaving the white space and 
> the "reply" character at the beginning of the confirm line and it 
> also worked fine. I don't have a classic OS  Eudora to try it with.
>
>Dan
>
>

Hmm.... I either have something weird with my mailman configuration, 
or I messed up the original confirmation.

let me try to subscribe myself again, and I'll let you know.

Thanks,

-avi

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From christmasboy_81 at juno.com  Sun Aug 31 05:04:24 2003
From: christmasboy_81 at juno.com (christmasboy_81 at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 03:04:24 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newlist fails when not root user
Message-ID: <20030830.200500.23552.186694@webmail05.nyc.untd.com>


bblist at jasmine:~$ newlist
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/newlist", line 223, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/newlist", line 118, in main
    os.setgid(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GID)
OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted

bblist at jasmine:~$ groups
bblist list

list is GID 38 which is what MAILMAN_GID is.

I'm using Debian Woody (mailman 2.0.11, exim 3.35, python 2.1.3). 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I should be able to change my gid from one group that I'm a member of to another? Is there any way to let a normal user create lists?

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From mailings at good-it.com  Sun Aug 31 22:15:47 2003
From: mailings at good-it.com (mailings at good-it.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 22:15:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sync_members error (bug 666235)
Message-ID: <200308312215.47120.mailings@good-it.com>

Hi all!

I ran in to problems with sync_members.
Thanks to this list i found out very quickly what my problem is (see bug 
666235).
The problem is now that i don't understand anything from python and the 
solution look like a lot of python abracadabra to me.
Is there a straightforward explanation what exactly to do?
Thanks in advance!

-- 
Kind Regards / Met vriendelijke groet,

Johan Barelds




From rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr  Sun Aug 31 22:29:33 2003
From: rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr (Guillaume Rousse)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 22:29:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Character encoding problems with digest option
Message-ID: <200308312229.33989.rousse@ccr.jussieu.fr>

Hello.

I'm managing several mailing list with mailman 2.1.2, but one of them is 
especially problematic, since some users use exotics charset such as utf-8. 
As a matter a consequence, it frequently breaks with this message in the 
logs:
Aug 31 22:03:16 2003 (12355) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose
    mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 206, in 
ArchiveMail
    h.processUnixMailbox(f)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 544, in 
processUnixMailbox
    m = mbox.next()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/mailbox.py", line 33, in next
    return self.factory(_Subfile(self.fp, start, stop))
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 89, in scrubber
    return mailbox.scrub(msg)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 109, in scrub
    return self._scrubber(self._mlist, msg)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 316, in process
    t = unicode(t, 'ascii', 'replace').encode('ascii')
UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128)

Searching through the list archive, i found this thread:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg17270.html

So i applied the patch found at 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=670167&group_id=103&atid=300103
i added add_language('en', 'English', 'iso-8859-1') to mm_cfg.py
and followed the instruction given:
- restart mailman
- remove digest.mbox
- unshunt

This worked several times already, but this time it seems to be unefficient. 
Running unshunt trigger the error, even after restarting mailman and check 
diget.mbxo didn't existed.

Turning ogg digest is an option, however some users are subscribed this way, 
so i have no way of reaching them to prevent of the policy change.

Any idea ?
-- 
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insist on an exact match
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From tilly at serversunited.com  Sun Aug 31 23:15:03 2003
From: tilly at serversunited.com (Tilly)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:15:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail getting bounced when sending to mailman
Message-ID: <003b01c37005$26ecdaf0$6301a8c0@tilly>

Hey

I am running courier-imap and postfix. When ever i send an email address to the mailman address the address gets bounced back and i do have the aliases specified. Could i have some one go one on one with me to see if we could get this to work. I already have had serveral people try but it hast worked out.

Tilly