From pareilly at tcd.ie  Sun Sep  1 00:20:53 2002
From: pareilly at tcd.ie (Paul Reilly)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:20:53 +0100 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] public listname case? + system pass?
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.43L0.0208312311450.260354-100000@web2.tcd.ie>

2 questions:

1) when i create a new list with 'newlist -q mylist paul at paul.com mypass'
   it creates the list fine, but it always changes the case of the
   listname to uppercase. ie "mylist" becomes "Mylist".

   This means I need to go in to the web interface to change it back to
   lower case every time. How do I stop this from happening? What code
   needs to be edited ? I'm using mailman 2.0.13

2) Is there/how does the global admin password work?
   I want to delegate list management to the list owners, but still
   have a password that will get me in to the admin section of any list.
   How do I implement this?

Thanks




From wash at wananchi.com  Sun Sep  1 16:32:15 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo G. Washington)
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 17:32:15 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] public listname case? + system pass?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.43L0.0208312311450.260354-100000@web2.tcd.ie>
References: <Pine.OSF.4.43L0.0208312311450.260354-100000@web2.tcd.ie>
Message-ID: <20020901143215.GC1136@ns2.wananchi.com>

* Paul Reilly <pareilly at tcd.ie> [20020901 01:20]: wrote:
> 
> 2 questions:
> 
> 1) when i create a new list with 'newlist -q mylist paul at paul.com mypass'
>    it creates the list fine, but it always changes the case of the
>    listname to uppercase. ie "mylist" becomes "Mylist".
> 
>    This means I need to go in to the web interface to change it back to
>    lower case every time. How do I stop this from happening? What code
>    needs to be edited ? I'm using mailman 2.0.13


Why do you think you need to change it in the web UI???? That thinking is
absolutely unnecessary since the listname as it appears to you does not
affect you in any way! Read my lips ;-)


> 2) Is there/how does the global admin password work?
>    I want to delegate list management to the list owners, but still
>    have a password that will get me in to the admin section of any list.
>    How do I implement this?

You have the site password, even the CLI access to it. This is shallow but
I'd just share the same password with them. If they change it, I can use the
CLI to manage the list, no?



        cheers
       - wash 
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From fredrik at rambris.com  Sun Sep  1 16:59:48 2002
From: fredrik at rambris.com (Fredrik Rambris)
Date: 01 Sep 2002 16:59:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Domain is rewritten
Message-ID: <1030892388.2004.28.camel@kit.babylon>

Hi!

I have installed postfix and tested att local delivery works just fine.
Postfix installed from source.

Mailinglist delivery also works (the mails get to their destination) but
the domain is rewritten. Mailman installed from the RPM supplied by Red
Hat in RHL 7.3.

I know this may be an MTA issue but I thought that this may be a common
error amongst mailman users.

The hostname is mail.domain.tld and that is what postfix is configured
as myhostname (postfix/main.cf). I've added another A record in the DNS
to lists.domain.tld. I've added lists.domain.tld to the mydestination
(again, postfix/main.cf). When I manually connect to port 25 and send
mail from test at lists.domain.tld the mail gets to it's destination with
test at lists.domain.tld as it's sender. But when mailman sends mails they
get rewritten to test at mail.domain.tld. The entries in the maillog looks
similar.

Have anyone a solution to my problem?

/ Fredrik
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From rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net  Sun Sep  1 19:12:43 2002
From: rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net (Bob Weissman)
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 10:12:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] public listname case? + system pass?
In-Reply-To: <20020901143215.GC1136@ns2.wananchi.com>
References: <Pine.OSF.4.43L0.0208312311450.260354-100000@web2.tcd.ie>
 <Pine.OSF.4.43L0.0208312311450.260354-100000@web2.tcd.ie>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020901101031.00a7a6a0@rlw.best.vwh.net>

>* Paul Reilly <pareilly at tcd.ie> [20020901 01:20]: wrote:
>> 1) when i create a new list with 'newlist -q mylist paul at paul.com mypass'
>>    it creates the list fine, but it always changes the case of the
>>    listname to uppercase. ie "mylist" becomes "Mylist".
>> 
>>    This means I need to go in to the web interface to change it back to
>>    lower case every time. How do I stop this from happening? What code
>>    needs to be edited ? I'm using mailman 2.0.13


Edit Mailman/MailList.py, changing the lines
        self.real_name = '%s%s' % (string.upper(self._internal_name[0]),
                                   self._internal_name[1:])
to
        self.real_name = self._internal_name

- Bob




From djc at microwave.com  Sun Sep  1 20:02:16 2002
From: djc at microwave.com (Dave C.)
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 14:02:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Exim] Re: Exim 4.05 & Mailiman - Missing the Directors
 Configuration (update)
In-Reply-To: <1026836125.14977.33.camel@office.openconcept.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209011355170.20408-100000@hal.microwave.com>


The 'router drivers' in exim4 have been seriously revamped from the
exim3 routers and directors. There is in fact no longer a 'smartuser'
driver. I beleive some of its functionality has been incorporated into 
the new 'accept' and 'redirect' router drivers.

Somewhere in the exim4 documentation there should be a document on
converting from exim3 to exim4, that will probably answer a lot of your
questions.

You could even make up a working exim3 config, and user the 'convert4r4'
utility included with exim4 - it not perfect, but it might get you to a
reasonable starting point. You'll have to fully understand how the
sample exim3 configs given with mailman work, and then have to research
how to accomplish the same thing in exim4.

I cant imagine that there isnt someone on this list successfully using
mailman with exim4, perhaps they will speak up with a sample exim4
config.. I have previously used mailman (with exim3) I have since
switched to exim4, but am no longer using mailman.  I will be back in my 
office Tuesday - if you havent got it my then drop me a line and I will 
see if I can give some further help.


On 16 Jul 2002, Mike Gifford wrote:

> Hello Again,
> 
> > | I'm assuming now that the Directors Config area in the runtime
> > | configuration file has been removed in 4.x
> > Correct.  exim4 was revamped, and the router/director distinction was
> > removed.
> 
> Ok..  So when mailman's README.EXIM tells me to put files in the
> Directors section, this should be the same as putting it in the ROUTERS
> CONFIGURATION section as exim is no longer distinguishing between the
> two.
> 
> > | If so does anyone have any suggestions on the modifications required
> > | to a 4.05 setting to get mailman & exim cooperating?
> > Convert the example director to a router.
> 
> I've tried to do this... I can't see how it would need any more
> configuration..  However exim 4.05 seems to dislike the driver =
> smartuser in the following (Now at the bottom of the Routers Config
> section):
> 
> list_owner_director:
>    driver = smartuser
>    require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
>    suffix = "-owner"
>    new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"
> 
> 
> The error it gives me is as follows:
> 
> [root at learningpartnership exim.mike]# bin/exim -C configure -bV
> Exim version 4.05 #3 built 13-Jul-2002 23:35:22
> Copyright (c) University of Cambridge 2002
> 2002-07-16 10:31:21 Exim configuration error in line 438:
>   router list_owner_director: cannot find router driver "smartuser"
> 
> 
> I've been searching for info on this error, but I can't seem to find
> much of interest.  Does exim 4.05 support a smartuser driver or has this
> concept too been revised.
> 
> > The Mailman 2.1 CVS tree has instructions on using exim4.
> 
> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mailman/mailman/README.EXIM?rev=2.4&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
> 
> >From this I'm guessing that
> 	driver = smartuser
> should be replaced by
> 	driver = accept
> 
> But pretty much every line in the exim config looks like it would need
> to be rewritten as
> 	suffix = -request
> 	new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"
> 	(and likely others)
> 	prefix = "owner-"
> 
> all need to be rewritten for 4.0.5
> 
> > I'm sure you can combine the data in the mailman instructions and
> > exim's spec to create the necessary transports and routers tailored to
> > your usage of mailman.  If you have specific questions about certain
> > options or something, then by all means ask.
> 
> The are very different and I don't know enough about exim or mailman to
> wade through the code and try to find something that 'may' work via
> trial & error.  Could take years..
> 
> Is there a way to rewrite this easily for exim 4.05?  What other
> instructions are no longer useful in the new exim and can I just replace
> them?
> 
> list_owner_director:
>    driver = smartuser
>    require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
>    suffix = "-owner"
>    new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"
> 
> owner_list_director:
>    driver = smartuser
>    require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
>    prefix = "owner-"
>    new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"
> 
> ##
> ## Next 3 directors direct admin, request and list mail to the
> appropriate
> ## transport.  List existence is checked as above.
> 
> list_admin_director:
>    driver = smartuser
>    suffix = -admin
>    require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
>    transport = list_admin_transport
> 
> list_request_director:
>    driver = smartuser
>    suffix = -request
>    require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
>    transport = list_request_transport
> 
> list_director:
>    driver = smartuser
>    require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
>    transport = list_transport
> 
> > (I haven't personally
> > configured mailman so I can't really give any better info than that)
> 
> That makes it harder..  I didn't think I was doing anything too
> groundbreaking here..  this isn't the alpha release of exim..  Had hoped
> that others using mailman had upgraded to a more current version of exim
> than 3.33 and would have experience (and config pointers) to share.
> 
> Mike
> --
> Mike Gifford, OpenConcept Consulting, http://www.openconcept.ca
> Open Source Web Applications for Social Change.
> Featured Client - NDP Leadership Candidate - http://www.billblaikie.org
> "An unjust law is no law at all." - Saint Augustine
> 
> 
> --
> 
> ## List details at http://www.exim.org/mailman/listinfo/exim-users Exim details at http://www.exim.org/ ##
> 
> 







From fnmjd at voicenet.com  Sun Sep  1 20:07:00 2002
From: fnmjd at voicenet.com (Mike D.)
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 14:07:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b3 and making a list moderated?
Message-ID: <p05111a22b99806b1755f@[209.71.91.82]>

Hello,

My server administrator just installed 2.1b3.  There was the option 
to moderate all postings to a list in the privacy section of the 
previous version of Mailman, but now I can not locate any such 
option.  The only thing I can find is the "Emergency moderation of 
all list traffic" selection at the top of the admin pages.  Is this 
the only way to have the email list now be moderated, or is there 
another way I am missing.

-- 
Take care,
Mike D.
AOL Instant Messenger "fnmjd"
Yahoo Instant Messenger "fnmjd"



From mike at openconcept.ca  Sun Sep  1 20:23:54 2002
From: mike at openconcept.ca (Mike Gifford)
Date: 01 Sep 2002 14:23:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Exim] Re: Exim 4.05 & Mailiman - Missing the Directors
 Configuration (update)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209011355170.20408-100000@hal.microwave.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209011355170.20408-100000@hal.microwave.com>
Message-ID: <1030904634.15025.9.camel@office.openconcept.ca>

Thanks for the response..  However, my local install of exim 3.30-2
seemed to be holding onto a few of my message.  An upgrade to exim
3.33-4 spit out a couple of messages from June (including this one that
you just responded to)..

Would still like to know if there is an easy way to set up exim 4 & a
stable version of mailman.

Mike

On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 14:02, Dave C. wrote:
> 
> 
> The 'router drivers' in exim4 have been seriously revamped from the
> exim3 routers and directors. There is in fact no longer a 'smartuser'
> driver. I beleive some of its functionality has been incorporated into 
> the new 'accept' and 'redirect' router drivers.
> 
> Somewhere in the exim4 documentation there should be a document on
> converting from exim3 to exim4, that will probably answer a lot of your
> questions.
> 
> You could even make up a working exim3 config, and user the 'convert4r4'
> utility included with exim4 - it not perfect, but it might get you to a
> reasonable starting point. You'll have to fully understand how the
> sample exim3 configs given with mailman work, and then have to research
> how to accomplish the same thing in exim4.
> 
> I cant imagine that there isnt someone on this list successfully using
> mailman with exim4, perhaps they will speak up with a sample exim4
> config.. I have previously used mailman (with exim3) I have since
> switched to exim4, but am no longer using mailman.  I will be back in my 
> office Tuesday - if you havent got it my then drop me a line and I will 
> see if I can give some further help.
> 
> 
> On 16 Jul 2002, Mike Gifford wrote:
> 
> > Hello Again,
> > 
> > > | I'm assuming now that the Directors Config area in the runtime
> > > | configuration file has been removed in 4.x
> > > Correct.  exim4 was revamped, and the router/director distinction was
> > > removed.
> > 
> > Ok..  So when mailman's README.EXIM tells me to put files in the
> > Directors section, this should be the same as putting it in the ROUTERS
> > CONFIGURATION section as exim is no longer distinguishing between the
> > two.
> > 
> > > | If so does anyone have any suggestions on the modifications required
> > > | to a 4.05 setting to get mailman & exim cooperating?
> > > Convert the example director to a router.
> > 
> > I've tried to do this... I can't see how it would need any more
> > configuration..  However exim 4.05 seems to dislike the driver =
> > smartuser in the following (Now at the bottom of the Routers Config
> > section):
> > 
> > list_owner_director:
> >    driver = smartuser
> >    require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
> >    suffix = "-owner"
> >    new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"
> > 
> > 
> > The error it gives me is as follows:
> > 
> > [root at learningpartnership exim.mike]# bin/exim -C configure -bV
> > Exim version 4.05 #3 built 13-Jul-2002 23:35:22
> > Copyright (c) University of Cambridge 2002
> > 2002-07-16 10:31:21 Exim configuration error in line 438:
> >   router list_owner_director: cannot find router driver "smartuser"
> > 
> > 
> > I've been searching for info on this error, but I can't seem to find
> > much of interest.  Does exim 4.05 support a smartuser driver or has this
> > concept too been revised.
> > 
> > > The Mailman 2.1 CVS tree has instructions on using exim4.
> > 
> > http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mailman/mailman/README.EXIM?rev=2.4&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
> > 
> > >From this I'm guessing that
> > 	driver = smartuser
> > should be replaced by
> > 	driver = accept
> > 
> > But pretty much every line in the exim config looks like it would need
> > to be rewritten as
> > 	suffix = -request
> > 	new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"
> > 	(and likely others)
> > 	prefix = "owner-"
> > 
> > all need to be rewritten for 4.0.5
> > 
> > > I'm sure you can combine the data in the mailman instructions and
> > > exim's spec to create the necessary transports and routers tailored to
> > > your usage of mailman.  If you have specific questions about certain
> > > options or something, then by all means ask.
> > 
> > The are very different and I don't know enough about exim or mailman to
> > wade through the code and try to find something that 'may' work via
> > trial & error.  Could take years..
> > 
> > Is there a way to rewrite this easily for exim 4.05?  What other
> > instructions are no longer useful in the new exim and can I just replace
> > them?
> > 
> > list_owner_director:
> >    driver = smartuser
> >    require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
> >    suffix = "-owner"
> >    new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"
> > 
> > owner_list_director:
> >    driver = smartuser
> >    require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
> >    prefix = "owner-"
> >    new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"
> > 
> > ##
> > ## Next 3 directors direct admin, request and list mail to the
> > appropriate
> > ## transport.  List existence is checked as above.
> > 
> > list_admin_director:
> >    driver = smartuser
> >    suffix = -admin
> >    require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
> >    transport = list_admin_transport
> > 
> > list_request_director:
> >    driver = smartuser
> >    suffix = -request
> >    require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
> >    transport = list_request_transport
> > 
> > list_director:
> >    driver = smartuser
> >    require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
> >    transport = list_transport
> > 
> > > (I haven't personally
> > > configured mailman so I can't really give any better info than that)
> > 
> > That makes it harder..  I didn't think I was doing anything too
> > groundbreaking here..  this isn't the alpha release of exim..  Had hoped
> > that others using mailman had upgraded to a more current version of exim
> > than 3.33 and would have experience (and config pointers) to share.
> > 
> > Mike
> > --
> > Mike Gifford, OpenConcept Consulting, http://www.openconcept.ca
> > Open Source Web Applications for Social Change.
> > Featured Client - NDP Leadership Candidate - http://www.billblaikie.org
> > "An unjust law is no law at all." - Saint Augustine
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > ## List details at http://www.exim.org/mailman/listinfo/exim-users Exim details at http://www.exim.org/ ##
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
-- 
Mike Gifford, OpenConcept Consulting, http://www.openconcept.ca
Open Source Web Applications for Social Change.
Featured Client - http://www.learningpartnership.org
To avoid criticism do nothing, say nothing, be nothing - Elbert Hubbard




From goeran at zaengerlein.de  Sun Sep  1 20:39:33 2002
From: goeran at zaengerlein.de (Goeran Zaengerlein)
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 20:39:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b3 and making a list moderated?
In-Reply-To: <p05111a22b99806b1755f@[209.71.91.82]>
Message-ID: <002d01c251e6$eb916ee0$a63a8a89@cern.ch>

Hi Mike,

> Is this 
> the only way to have the email list now be moderated, or is there 
> another way I am missing.

I also did not see this at the beginning, but MM 2.1 has a very fine
grained modaration system now.
The moderation is defined on a per user basis. You can go to the member
administration and set the modeartion bit for each user alone or with
the set all option at the bottom of the page for all subscribers at
once.

The standard setting of the moderation bit for new subscribers of a list
can be set in the section privacy options -> sender filter -> default
member moderation.

I hope this helps!

Goeran Z?ngerlein




From kflanagan at nc.rr.com  Sun Sep  1 01:30:35 2002
From: kflanagan at nc.rr.com (Kevin Flanagan)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 19:30:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists with spaces in the name
Message-ID: <000901c25146$683fafc0$0500a8c0@mercury>

It appears that a list with a space in the name isn't quite happy, has
anyone else had this trouble?  I created a new list with - in place of
the space and all is well.

TIA,


   Kevin




From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Sep  1 23:21:34 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 14:21:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists with spaces in the name 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Kevin Flanagan" <kflanagan@nc.rr.com> 
   of "Sat, 31 Aug 2002 19:30:35 EDT." <000901c25146$683fafc0$0500a8c0@mercury> 
References: <000901c25146$683fafc0$0500a8c0@mercury> 
Message-ID: <10491.1030915294@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 31 Aug 2002 19:30:35 -0400 
Kevin Flanagan <kflanagan at nc.rr.com> wrote:

> It appears that a list with a space in the name isn't quite happy, has
> anyone else had this trouble?  I created a new list with - in place of
> the space and all is well.

Spaces are not allowed in the LHS of email addresses.  See RFC 2822 for
details.

-- 
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---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From p.schoenfeld at epost.de  Sun Sep  1 23:51:16 2002
From: p.schoenfeld at epost.de (Patrick Schoenfeld)
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 23:51:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some problems
Message-ID: <20020901235116.43db8683.p.schoenfeld@epost.de>

Hi people,

i tried to setup mailman this evening and had some problems
and i hope you can help me :-)

1. I want to run the list at lists.domain.xy not at domain.xy
and i couldn't find out how to realise that

2. I can access the webadministration via http://domain.xy/mailman/admin
but every link is wrong.
e.g. it's not http://domain.xy/mailman/admin/test but http://domain.xy/admin/test
I've used following settings in $PREFIX/Mailman/mm_cfg.py:
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'lists.domain.xy'
DEFAULT_URL = 'http://domain.xy./mailman/'
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL  = '/pipermail'
PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/private'

3. If i send a mail to any list e.g. test at domain.xy it comes back
the MTA mail contains:
test at domain.xy
    Child process of list_transport transport returned 2 from command:
    /usr/mailman/mail/wrapper

I checked which GID ./configure takes when i don't specify it and it matches my system
(apache is running under GID 33 and exim under GID 8 - that's what ./configure of mailman says
and that's totally true)

Something more about my current system configuration:
I'm running it on a Debian system with exim as MTA configured like i where told in README.EXIM
The used httpd is apache which is configured like following:

ScriptAlias   /mailman/       /usr/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ /usr/mailman/archives/public/

I had to remove the Exec Line that i were told in the online installation instructions
and added a the following Directory directive instead cause apache refused to start with that line.

<Directory /usr/mailman/cgi-bin>
    Options Indexes Includes FollowSymLinks +ExecCGI
    AllowOverride None
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>

Ok, that should be all neccessary information, if you have any questions that
would help you to help me just ask them.

Thanks for any help
-Patrick



From maddoc at maddoc.net  Mon Sep  2 00:45:26 2002
From: maddoc at maddoc.net (Doc Schneider)
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 17:45:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminders
Message-ID: <200209012245.g81MjQsm009801@mail.maddoc.com>

For some unknown reason when Mailman sends out its monthly passwd reminders it 
is sending them with the first list that it comes to... in this case cats@
It is buried in the headers of the messages, as the envelope sender and as the 
Sender: Errors-To: and X-BeenThere:

I thought this was fixed by upgrading to MM 2.0.12 

Is there a fix for this?

Thanks,


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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Sep  2 00:56:18 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 01 Sep 2002 18:56:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Domain is rewritten
In-Reply-To: <1030892388.2004.28.camel@kit.babylon>
References: <1030892388.2004.28.camel@kit.babylon>
Message-ID: <1030920981.1701.34.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

This is definitely a Postfix issue, and is easily overcome if you read
the docs for Postfix. Postfix allows you to specify the hostname used by
the MTA and further allows you to customize that based on individual
email addresses (something that Sendmail needs to use the Generics table
for).

Jon Carnes
===
On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 10:59, Fredrik Rambris wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I have installed postfix and tested att local delivery works just fine.
> Postfix installed from source.
> 
> Mailinglist delivery also works (the mails get to their destination) but
> the domain is rewritten. Mailman installed from the RPM supplied by Red
> Hat in RHL 7.3.
> 
> I know this may be an MTA issue but I thought that this may be a common
> error amongst mailman users.
> 
> The hostname is mail.domain.tld and that is what postfix is configured
> as myhostname (postfix/main.cf). I've added another A record in the DNS
> to lists.domain.tld. I've added lists.domain.tld to the mydestination
> (again, postfix/main.cf). When I manually connect to port 25 and send
> mail from test at lists.domain.tld the mail gets to it's destination with
> test at lists.domain.tld as it's sender. But when mailman sends mails they
> get rewritten to test at mail.domain.tld. The entries in the maillog looks
> similar.
> 
> Have anyone a solution to my problem?
> 
> / Fredrik
> -- 
> Mail: fredrik at rambris.com    Home: http://fredrik.rambris.com
> GnuPG fingerprint: 8484 93D4 FE08 F9B0 36AB  4B56 DA69 3D07 A5EB 7DAD
> Location: 55?21'32N 13?25'16E
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/





From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Sep  2 01:04:18 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 16:04:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminders 
In-Reply-To: Message from Doc Schneider <maddoc@maddoc.net> 
   of "Sun, 01 Sep 2002 17:45:26 CDT." <200209012245.g81MjQsm009801@mail.maddoc.com> 
References: <200209012245.g81MjQsm009801@mail.maddoc.com> 
Message-ID: <11566.1030921458@kanga.nu>

On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 17:45:26 -0500 
Doc Schneider <maddoc at maddoc.net> wrote:

> I thought this was fixed by upgrading to MM 2.0.12

> Is there a fix for this?

v2.1

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From maddoc at maddoc.net  Mon Sep  2 01:10:43 2002
From: maddoc at maddoc.net (Doc Schneider)
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 18:10:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminders 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 01 Sep 2002 16:04:18 PDT."
             <11566.1030921458@kanga.nu> 
Message-ID: <200209012310.g81NAhsm010633@mail.maddoc.com>

J C,

Is v2.1 going to be released soon?

And is it easy to upgraded from 2.0.12?

> > I thought this was fixed by upgrading to MM 2.0.12
> 
> > Is there a fix for this?
> 
> v2.1






From ler at lerctr.org  Mon Sep  2 01:14:06 2002
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: 01 Sep 2002 18:14:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminders
In-Reply-To: <200209012310.g81NAhsm010633@mail.maddoc.com>
References: <200209012310.g81NAhsm010633@mail.maddoc.com>
Message-ID: <1030922047.398.1.camel@lerlaptop.lerctr.org>

On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 18:10, Doc Schneider wrote:
> J C,
> 
> Is v2.1 going to be released soon?
Don't know about this...
> 
> And is it easy to upgraded from 2.0.12?
> 
I did this, it's pretty painless.  All the aliases need to be redone,
but there is a script for this.  The crontab changes, and you need a new
daemon running (an initscript is provided).

You do need Python 2.1 or higher. 

Not a biggie.

LER
> > > I thought this was fixed by upgrading to MM 2.0.12
> > 
> > > Is there a fix for this?
> > 
> > v2.1
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
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From maddoc at maddoc.net  Mon Sep  2 01:19:48 2002
From: maddoc at maddoc.net (Doc Schneider)
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 18:19:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminders 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "01 Sep 2002 18:14:06 CDT."
             <1030922047.398.1.camel@lerlaptop.lerctr.org> 
Message-ID: <200209012319.g81NJmsm010852@mail.maddoc.com>

> > Is v2.1 going to be released soon?
> Don't know about this...
> > 
> > And is it easy to upgraded from 2.0.12?
> > 
> I did this, it's pretty painless.  All the aliases need to be redone,
> but there is a script for this.  The crontab changes, and you need a new
> daemon running (an initscript is provided).

I'm just now installing it on a test platform to see what is involved! 8*)

And I run Python 2.2.1 or whatever the latest is so you're right, no biggie. 
 
> You do need Python 2.1 or higher. 
> 
> Not a biggie.
> 

Thanks!



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From marina at reliance.it  Mon Sep  2 02:04:08 2002
From: marina at reliance.it (marina)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:04:08 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error
In-Reply-To: <20020901160005.30015.91487.Mailman@mail.python.org>
References: <20020901160005.30015.91487.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <p0433010bb998594fb2a9@[192.164.0.2]>

I was wondering whether there's any information available on possible 
reasons for 500 Internal Server Errors, apart from mailman's locks.

I have been working on the admin interface of our list this morning, 
and while I've had no problems with the membership, general options, 
and bounce options interfaces, I've been getting the above error 
every time I've tried to update the admindb.

If I reload the admindb page after the error, I get the original 
contents of the file, with no updates having gone through.

Any ideas will be very much appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

marina
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From marina at reliance.it  Mon Sep  2 02:06:20 2002
From: marina at reliance.it (marina)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:06:20 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce options
Message-ID: <p0433010cb9985b8336ea@[192.164.0.2]>

Another issue I haven't been able to find information on in the 
archives/FAQ: is it possible to instruct mailman to *reject* some 
types of messages, without sending them to the admindb queue?

Thanks in advance,

marina
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From wolf at wolfstream.net  Mon Sep  2 02:17:30 2002
From: wolf at wolfstream.net (Tom Whiting)
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 19:17:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b3 and making a list moderated?
In-Reply-To: <p05111a22b99806b1755f@[209.71.91.82]>
References: <p05111a22b99806b1755f@[209.71.91.82]>
Message-ID: <200209011917.31054.wolf@wolfstream.net>

On Sunday 01 September 2002 01:07 pm, Mike D. wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My server administrator just installed 2.1b3.  There was the option
> to moderate all postings to a list in the privacy section of the
> previous version of Mailman, but now I can not locate any such
> option.  The only thing I can find is the "Emergency moderation of
> all list traffic" selection at the top of the admin pages.  Is this
> the only way to have the email list now be moderated, or is there
> another way I am missing.
I agree 100% here.. This is probably the only problem i've found with beta
version of mailman, that the moderation has to be chosen on an individual 
basis,or that you can't just define you want a certain list to be read only.

Here's what I mean;
You start up X list
X list is supposed to be a low-traffic announcement list, something for you to 
announce releases, uptime,etc to your customers.
By default, any customer can post to X list,with no way to change this.
So, what you're left with is an open list that any customer can post to and 
spam.


Not exactly a smart idea.

**shrug**




From ler at lerctr.org  Mon Sep  2 02:22:54 2002
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: 01 Sep 2002 19:22:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce options
In-Reply-To: <p0433010cb9985b8336ea@[192.164.0.2]>
References: <p0433010cb9985b8336ea@[192.164.0.2]>
Message-ID: <1030926174.398.3.camel@lerlaptop.lerctr.org>

On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 19:06, marina wrote:
> Another issue I haven't been able to find information on in the 
> archives/FAQ: is it possible to instruct mailman to *reject* some 
> types of messages, without sending them to the admindb queue?
2.1b3 has this option....

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From fredrik at rambris.com  Mon Sep  2 08:09:29 2002
From: fredrik at rambris.com (Fredrik Rambris)
Date: 02 Sep 2002 08:09:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Domain is rewritten
In-Reply-To: <1030920981.1701.34.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <1030892388.2004.28.camel@kit.babylon> 
	<1030920981.1701.34.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1030946969.2610.3.camel@kit.babylon>

m?n 2002-09-02 klockan 00.56 skrev Jon Carnes:
> This is definitely a Postfix issue, and is easily overcome if you read
> the docs for Postfix. Postfix allows you to specify the hostname used by
> the MTA and further allows you to customize that based on individual
> email addresses (something that Sendmail needs to use the Generics table
> for).

Thanx.

Ok. I'm no postfix expert and have tried to find the issue in it's docs
but could you (or anyone else on this list) give me a hint.

I don't want to change it's hostname. The mail.domain.tld is what I want
it to be called. When I send mail out as local users it gets
user at domain.tld. And as said when I manually act mailman, connect to
port 25 and send mail from test at lists.domain.tld it goes out unchanged. 

So I could need a hint to where to dig.

> Jon Carnes
> ===
> On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 10:59, Fredrik Rambris wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > I have installed postfix and tested att local delivery works just fine.
> > Postfix installed from source.
> > 
> > Mailinglist delivery also works (the mails get to their destination) but
> > the domain is rewritten. Mailman installed from the RPM supplied by Red
> > Hat in RHL 7.3.
> > 
> > I know this may be an MTA issue but I thought that this may be a common
> > error amongst mailman users.
> > 
> > The hostname is mail.domain.tld and that is what postfix is configured
> > as myhostname (postfix/main.cf). I've added another A record in the DNS
> > to lists.domain.tld. I've added lists.domain.tld to the mydestination
> > (again, postfix/main.cf). When I manually connect to port 25 and send
> > mail from test at lists.domain.tld the mail gets to it's destination with
> > test at lists.domain.tld as it's sender. But when mailman sends mails they
> > get rewritten to test at mail.domain.tld. The entries in the maillog looks
> > similar.
> > 
> > Have anyone a solution to my problem?
> > 
> > / Fredrik
> > -- 
> > Mail: fredrik at rambris.com    Home: http://fredrik.rambris.com
> > GnuPG fingerprint: 8484 93D4 FE08 F9B0 36AB  4B56 DA69 3D07 A5EB 7DAD
> > Location: 55?21'32N 13?25'16E
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
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GnuPG fingerprint: 8484 93D4 FE08 F9B0 36AB  4B56 DA69 3D07 A5EB 7DAD
Location: 55?21'32N 13?25'16E



From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Sep  2 10:53:22 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 09:53:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] public listname case? + system pass?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0209020215400.80322-100000@pooh.ASARian.org>
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020901101031.00a7a6a0@rlw.best.vwh.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020902094555.040d9830@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 02:17 02/09/2002 -0400, Fuzzy wrote:

>On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Bob Weissman wrote:
>
> > >* Paul Reilly <pareilly at tcd.ie> [20020901 01:20]: wrote:
> > >> 1) when i create a new list with 'newlist -q mylist paul at paul.com 
> mypass'
> > >>    it creates the list fine, but it always changes the case of the
> > >>    listname to uppercase. ie "mylist" becomes "Mylist".
> >
> > Edit Mailman/MailList.py, changing the lines
> >         self.real_name = '%s%s' % (string.upper(self._internal_name[0]),
> >                                    self._internal_name[1:])
> > to
> >         self.real_name = self._internal_name
> >
> > - Bob
>
>
>would this do the same for mm 2.1b3?
>
>--- Mailman/MailList.py.orig    Mon Sep  2 01:42:15 2002
>+++ Mailman/MailList.py Mon Sep  2 02:14:47 2002
>@@ -297,8 +297,7 @@
>          self.bounce_matching_headers = \
>                  mm_cfg.DEFAULT_BOUNCE_MATCHING_HEADERS
>          self.anonymous_list = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_ANONYMOUS_LIST
>-        internalname = self.internal_name()
>-        self.real_name = internalname[0].upper() + internalname[1:]
>+        self.real_name = self.internal_name()
>          self.description = ''
>          self.info = ''
>          self.welcome_msg = ''
>
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>                                 - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \
>

A simpler way is to just change the first (real_name) and fourth (MM 2.0.x) 
or sixth (MM 2.1b3) (subject_prefix) fields on the web admin GUI General 
Options page for the list.

Bear in mind that case in not significant in an email address and the 
various MM directories/URLs associated with a list all use the list name 
normalized to lower case. 




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Sep  2 11:52:44 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 10:52:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b3 and making a list moderated?
In-Reply-To: <200209011917.31054.wolf@wolfstream.net>
References: <p05111a22b99806b1755f@[209.71.91.82]>
 <p05111a22b99806b1755f@[209.71.91.82]>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020902102038.04890e98@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 19:17 01/09/2002 -0500, Tom Whiting wrote:
>On Sunday 01 September 2002 01:07 pm, Mike D. wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > My server administrator just installed 2.1b3.  There was the option
> > to moderate all postings to a list in the privacy section of the
> > previous version of Mailman, but now I can not locate any such
> > option.  The only thing I can find is the "Emergency moderation of
> > all list traffic" selection at the top of the admin pages.  Is this
> > the only way to have the email list now be moderated, or is there
> > another way I am missing.

You should find what you want by clicking the 'Sender filters' link at the 
top of the 'Privacy options' page of the web GUI for the list.

>I agree 100% here.. This is probably the only problem i've found with beta
>version of mailman, that the moderation has to be chosen on an individual
>basis,or that you can't just define you want a certain list to be read only.
>
>Here's what I mean;
>You start up X list
>X list is supposed to be a low-traffic announcement list, something for 
>you to
>announce releases, uptime,etc to your customers.
>By default, any customer can post to X list,with no way to change this.
>So, what you're left with is an open list that any customer can post to and
>spam.
>
>
>Not exactly a smart idea.
>
>**shrug**




From posel at inf.fu-berlin.de  Mon Sep  2 15:12:17 2002
From: posel at inf.fu-berlin.de (Johannes Posel)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:12:17 +0200
Subject: eMail command processing? (was: [Mailman-Users] Error in *eMail* rejecting a moderation request?)
In-Reply-To: <18515208879.20020824154809@inf.fu-berlin.de>
References: <18515208879.20020824154809@inf.fu-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <14132491720.20020902151217@inf.fu-berlin.de>

Dear Mailman-Users,

is there really noone that tried the eMail command processing of
Mailman? Any input would be very nice, thank you!

Best regards,
Johannes Posel

Going back 15:48 24.08.2002...

> Dear Mailman-users,

> I'm running Mailman 2.1b3, and it works fine after a few install
> headaches ;)  My MTA is Exim v3.36, and I've set it up according to
> README.EXIM.

> Now, a list moderator got an approval request[1] for a message held in
> the mod queue, which had inside these instructions as well[2]. The
> subject was "confirm ..." with some sort of code in it. He wanted to
> try it, but got only an error back:

>> The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
>> original message.
>> 
>> - Results:
>>     Invalid confirmation string.  Note that confirmation strings expire
>> approximately 3 days after the initial subscription request.  If your
>> confirmation has expired, please try to re-submit your original request or
>> message.
>> 
>> - Unprocessed:
>>     > If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact,
>>     > Mailman will discard the held message.  Do this if the message is
>>     > spam.  If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header
>>     > with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting
>>     > to the list.  The Approved: header can also appear in the first line
>>     > of the body of the reply.
>> - Done.

> Is this some kind of bug or error in my setup? As he rightly points
> out, if Mailman provides him with an eMail based moderation, he'd
> really want to use it.

> Thanks for any input!

> Cheers,
>  Johannes                            mailto:posel at inf.fu-berlin.de

> [1]

> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
> following mailing list posting:

>     List:    Cafe at xyz
>     From:    somebody at someplace.tld
>     Subject: Hi
>     Reason:  Posts by member are currently quarantined for moderation

> At your convenience, visit:

>     http://stromgrade.its-toasted.org/mailman/admindb/cafe
        
> to approve or deny the request.

> [2]

> If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact,
> Mailman will discard the held message.  Do this if the message is
> spam.  If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header
> with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting
> to the list.  The Approved: header can also appear in the first line
> of the body of the reply.




From mailman-list at rockar.nu  Mon Sep  2 16:22:57 2002
From: mailman-list at rockar.nu (Lars Andersson)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:22:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] large list questions (15000 users)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209021611470.30167-100000@bsd.rockar.nu>

I've been using mailman for my private small lists for a while now and I
am very pleased with it. Now it's time to sneek it into my work.

I'm working for a webhosting company and a customer wants me to
implement a list with around 15.000 recipients. The list will be used
for a daily post from the administrator to the recipents, so the traffic
will be fairly limited and controlled. I have a few questions.

1. Can mailman handle such large lists (It will be running on a
dedicated linux box with postfix on the localhost as MTA). Of course
with SCSI, raid, plenty of ram etc.

2. Is there a simple way to limit what the administrator of a list can
change when he is administering a list? For example, I don't want him to
be able to change the max post size for mailinglist.

3. If he uses the web interface to handle his list, does it scale up to
15.000 users?

4. Is there any other problems running such a big list that I should be
aware of before I go ahead and implement the list.

5. User administration.
It would be best for me if the owner of the list could handle
unsubscriptions by sending mail to Mailman (without knowing the password
for the user he wants to unsubscribe). Is this possible or does he need
to use the web interface?  I know you can do a lot of things on the
command line and by using the web interface but this administrator wants
to use mail for this kind of commands. It's also the fastest way when he
has so many users.

Thanks in advance

/Lars




From toombs at sympatico.ca  Mon Sep  2 11:28:08 2002
From: toombs at sympatico.ca (Bruce P. Toombs)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:28:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hotmail and similar mail accounts
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209021611470.30167-100000@bsd.rockar.nu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209021611470.30167-100000@bsd.rockar.nu>
Message-ID: <a05001902b998df14a4c9@[64.228.230.89]>

Hello, it appears that hotmail and similar free web-based email 
treats my mailman lists as spam and shunts them directly into the 
trash. Is there any way I can prevent this from happening?

Thanks very much,

Bruce Toombs
-- 
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bruce at toombs.ca
toombs at sympatico.ca

"I am a pit bull on the pant leg of opportunity." -- George W. Bush



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Sep  2 16:43:46 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 02 Sep 2002 10:43:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] large list questions (15000 users)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209021611470.30167-100000@bsd.rockar.nu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209021611470.30167-100000@bsd.rockar.nu>
Message-ID: <1030977826.1611.63.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 10:22, Lars Andersson wrote:
> I've been using mailman for my private small lists for a while now and I
> am very pleased with it. Now it's time to sneek it into my work.
> 
> I'm working for a webhosting company and a customer wants me to
> implement a list with around 15.000 recipients. The list will be used
> for a daily post from the administrator to the recipents, so the traffic
> will be fairly limited and controlled. I have a few questions.
> 
> 1. Can mailman handle such large lists (It will be running on a
> dedicated linux box with postfix on the localhost as MTA). Of course
> with SCSI, raid, plenty of ram etc.

Yes.

> 
> 2. Is there a simple way to limit what the administrator of a list can
> change when he is administering a list? For example, I don't want him to
> be able to change the max post size for mailinglist.

Not in the current release version, but there are work-arounds if you
have access to root (or the user mailman) on the system. Basically, you
can write a cron job to examine the list and email you with any
configuration changes to the list. You can also have the cron job reset
the list with the base saved configuration.  

None of that is standard with Mailman. You will have to write scripts
using the Command Line Interface commands that come with Mailman.

> 
> 3. If he uses the web interface to handle his list, does it scale up to
> 15.000 users?

Yes.  The main gotcha here is having a slow Disk Subsystem, but since
you are SCSI it will probably not be an issue. A secondary gotcha is not
having enough RAM, but you mention that the server has plenty.

> 
> 4. Is there any other problems running such a big list that I should be
> aware of before I go ahead and implement the list.

Changes to the list membership may take a bit of time.  This is very
dependent on how fast your Disk subsystem is and on how much RAM you
have to cache read/writes.  If the time grows too long (which it should
not for 15k) then you may need to split the list into smaller lists or
consider running a RAM disk (using some of your RAM) and loading the
configuration files for the list onto the RAM disk.

This is a standard work-around for folks with exceptionally large lists
running the current version of Mailman.  It works very well.  But with
only 15k and a decent disk subsystem, you should not see dramatic slow
downs while managing the membership lists.

BTW: the RAM disk size necessary for this is about ~50Mb (roughly twice
the size of the configuration directory).
> 
> 5. User administration.
> It would be best for me if the owner of the list could handle
> unsubscriptions by sending mail to Mailman (without knowing the password
> for the user he wants to unsubscribe). Is this possible or does he need
> to use the web interface?  I know you can do a lot of things on the
> command line and by using the web interface but this administrator wants
> to use mail for this kind of commands. It's also the fastest way when he
> has so many users.

No problem. Each list has an administrative password.  He can
unsubscribe folks via email using that password.

> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> /Lars
> 

You're welcome.  Hope it helps!

Jon Carnes




From barry at python.org  Mon Sep  2 17:51:02 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:51:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error
References: <20020901160005.30015.91487.Mailman@mail.python.org>
	<p0433010bb998594fb2a9@[192.164.0.2]>
Message-ID: <15731.35046.299142.291178@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "marina" ==   <marina at reliance.it> writes:

    marina> I was wondering whether there's any information available
    marina> on possible reasons for 500 Internal Server Errors, apart
    marina> from mailman's locks.

Internal Server Errors come from the web server, so you should check
its logs for clues.

-Barry



From rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net  Mon Sep  2 18:01:28 2002
From: rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net (Bob Weissman)
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 09:01:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] public listname case? + system pass?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020902094555.040d9830@pop.ftel.co.uk>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0209020215400.80322-100000@pooh.ASARian.org>
 <5.1.1.6.0.20020901101031.00a7a6a0@rlw.best.vwh.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020902085901.00a1b140@rlw.best.vwh.net>

At 01:53 AM 9/2/02, Richard Barrett wrote:
>At 02:17 02/09/2002 -0400, Fuzzy wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Bob Weissman wrote:
>>
>>> >* Paul Reilly <pareilly at tcd.ie> [20020901 01:20]: wrote:
>>> >> 1) when i create a new list with 'newlist -q mylist paul at paul.com mypass'
>>> >>    it creates the list fine, but it always changes the case of the
>>> >>    listname to uppercase. ie "mylist" becomes "Mylist".
>>>
>>> Edit Mailman/MailList.py, changing the lines
>>>         self.real_name = '%s%s' % (string.upper(self._internal_name[0]),
>>>                                    self._internal_name[1:])
>>> to
>>>         self.real_name = self._internal_name
>>>
>>> - Bob
>>
>>
>>would this do the same for mm 2.1b3?
>>
>>--- Mailman/MailList.py.orig    Mon Sep  2 01:42:15 2002
>>+++ Mailman/MailList.py Mon Sep  2 02:14:47 2002
>>@@ -297,8 +297,7 @@
>>         self.bounce_matching_headers = \
>>                 mm_cfg.DEFAULT_BOUNCE_MATCHING_HEADERS
>>         self.anonymous_list = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_ANONYMOUS_LIST
>>-        internalname = self.internal_name()
>>-        self.real_name = internalname[0].upper() + internalname[1:]
>>+        self.real_name = self.internal_name()
>>         self.description = ''
>>         self.info = ''
>>         self.welcome_msg = ''
>
>A simpler way is to just change the first (real_name) and fourth (MM 2.0.x) or sixth (MM 2.1b3) (subject_prefix) fields on the web admin GUI General Options page for the list.

Simpler? Not in the case where the Mailman administrator wants all lists forever after to not have their first characters uppercased. Changing the code once accomplishes this once and for all.

- Bob





From pareilly at tcd.ie  Mon Sep  2 18:16:27 2002
From: pareilly at tcd.ie (Paul Reilly)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:16:27 +0100 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] public listname case? + system pass?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020902085901.00a1b140@rlw.best.vwh.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.43L0.0209021715290.1201-100000@web2.tcd.ie>

> Simpler? Not in the case where the Mailman administrator wants all
> lists forever after to not have their first characters uppercased.
> Changing the code once accomplishes this once and for all.
>
Yes this is what I want.
Thanks to all who replied.

I won't dare ask why it capitalises the first letter of the listname!

Paul




From barry at python.org  Mon Sep  2 18:45:12 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 12:45:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b3 and making a list moderated?
References: <p05111a22b99806b1755f@[209.71.91.82]>
	<200209011917.31054.wolf@wolfstream.net>
Message-ID: <15731.38296.491846.388777@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "TW" == Tom Whiting <wolf at wolfstream.net> writes:

    TW> Here's what I mean; You start up X list X list is supposed to
    TW> be a low-traffic announcement list, something for you to
    TW> announce releases, uptime,etc to your customers.  By default,
    TW> any customer can post to X list,with no way to change this.
    TW> So, what you're left with is an open list that any customer
    TW> can post to and spam.

What you want to do is go to the Membership Management page, the
Membership List subpage.

Scroll down to where you see "# Set everyone's moderation bit,
including those members not currently visible".  Select "On" and click
on "Set".

All your members will have their moderation flag turned on, and now
you can decide what happens when a moderated member posts to the list.
Go to Privacy Options -> Sender Filter to select this.

For an announce-only list, you might want to set
member_moderation_action to "Reject", and include a rejection notice
like:

    "This is an announce-only list.  Members are not allowed to post
    to the list.  Please contact the list owner at
    mylist-owner at example.com for further assistance."

So now your members will get automatic rejections if they post to the
list (you might want to set up something similar for non-members).

There are a few ways you can set up folks as approved posters to the
list.

- if they are members, turn off their moderation flag

- if they are non-members, add them to the accept_these_nonmembers
  field

- give them the list password and let them post their messages with an
  "Approved: password" header.

Hope that helps,
-Barry



From khj at be.cs.appstate.edu  Mon Sep  2 19:01:23 2002
From: khj at be.cs.appstate.edu (Kenneth Jacker)
Date: 02 Sep 2002 13:01:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Domain is rewritten
In-Reply-To: <1030946969.2610.3.camel@kit.babylon>
References: <1030892388.2004.28.camel@kit.babylon>
	<1030920981.1701.34.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
	<1030946969.2610.3.camel@kit.babylon>
Message-ID: <en0r0z5p8.fsf@be.cs.appstate.edu>

  fredrik> I don't want to change it's hostname. The mail.domain.tld
  fredrik> is what I want it to be called. When I send mail out as
  fredrik> local users it gets user at domain.tld. And as said when I
  fredrik> manually act mailman, connect to port 25 and send mail from
  fredrik> test at lists.domain.tld it goes out unchanged.

Interesting.

This is the same type of error that's occurring with me (mailman-2.0.13-1) 
on the incoming confirmation emails (lowest zone being removed in
some, but not all, of the headers). [For details, see my earlier
post.]   I, however, am using /sendmail/.

Barry wrote to me off-list and implied the problem might *not* be
within /Mailman/. Instead, he suggested I check out the MTA
(/sendmail/ in my case).  The fact that we're both seeing similar
behavior yet using different MTAs suggests that maybe something else
is going on, no?

  fredrik> So I could need a hint to where to dig.

Me too!

  -Kenneth



From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Sep  2 20:43:19 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 11:43:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] large list questions (15000 users) 
In-Reply-To: Message from Lars Andersson <mailman-list@rockar.nu> 
   of "Mon, 02 Sep 2002 16:22:57 +0200." <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209021611470.30167-100000@bsd.rockar.nu> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209021611470.30167-100000@bsd.rockar.nu> 
Message-ID: <20625.1030992199@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:22:57 +0200 (CEST) 
Lars Andersson <mailman-list at rockar.nu> wrote:

> 1. Can mailman handle such large lists

Yes. see the FAQ.

> 2. Is there a simple way to limit what the administrator of a list can
> change when he is administering a list? For example, I don't want him
> to be able to change the max post size for mailinglist.

There are slightly better controls for this under Mailman2.1 than 2.0.

> 3. If he uses the web interface to handle his list, does it scale up
> to 15.000 users?

Yes, tho without a rather fast machine you'll want to start looking at
using an external data store for your membership roster (Mailman v2.1).

> 4. Is there any other problems running such a big list that I should
> be aware of before I go ahead and implement the list.

Please see the FAQ.

> 5. User administration.  It would be best for me if the owner of the
> list could handle unsubscriptions by sending mail to Mailman (without
> knowing the password for the user he wants to unsubscribe). Is this
> possible or does he need to use the web interface?  I know you can do
> a lot of things on the command line and by using the web interface but
> this administrator wants to use mail for this kind of commands. It's
> also the fastest way when he has so many users.

He can use the list password.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From john at io.com  Tue Sep  3 11:58:34 2002
From: john at io.com (John Buttery)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 04:58:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive stats
In-Reply-To: <97BB32FD26B4D311B1010090276AE3E602A8F001@CWEXCHANGESVR01>
References: <97BB32FD26B4D311B1010090276AE3E602A8F001@CWEXCHANGESVR01>
Message-ID: <20020903095834.GA25264@io.com>

* "Waldchen, Erick (VIPTechSprt)" <ewaldchen at globalcomputer.com> [2002-08-28 16:58:23 -0400]:
> Thank you for the very excellent Mailman.  It's been rock-solid for the past
> 5 months I've been using it.  My only wish is for a way to generate
> statistics on list how the list is being used. (top posters, top subjects,
> top posting times, etc.) My users really get into the "numbers" thing, if
> you know what I mean ;)  If I was a programmer I would try to write
> something that parses the archives and would generate an HTML stats page,
> but I don't have the skills for something like that.  Does such a program
> exist for Mailman? I've searched extensively online but haven't found
> anything yet.  Thanks for your time,
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Erick Waldchen
> 

  Well, I could be off (and if I am, I'm sure someone will fl^H^Hpolitely
correct me), but I think you are barking up the wrong tree, approaching
this as a Mailman issue.  From what I can work out in my head, Mailman
is simply an email multiplexer; it doesn't really have a concept of a
coherent set of past messages.  However, you may want to look into
something that can work on a Pipermail archive; also, on the archive
page for my list (and I assume yours as well) there is a link where you
can download a full archive of every post ever sent to the list, which
should be parseable by anything that speaks mbox.

-- 
john at io.com (John Buttery)
drat, I broke my sig script AGAIN!
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From galas at tee.gr  Tue Sep  3 12:11:01 2002
From: galas at tee.gr (Emmanuel Galatoulas)
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 13:11:01 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsuscribe
Message-ID: <3D748AB5.50702@tee.gr>





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Sep  3 13:27:52 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 03 Sep 2002 07:27:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive stats
In-Reply-To: <20020903095834.GA25264@io.com>
References: <97BB32FD26B4D311B1010090276AE3E602A8F001@CWEXCHANGESVR01> 
	<20020903095834.GA25264@io.com>
Message-ID: <1031052472.1607.9.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 05:58, John Buttery wrote:
> 
>   Well, I could be off (and if I am, I'm sure someone will fl^H^Hpolitely
> correct me), but I think you are barking up the wrong tree, approaching
> this as a Mailman issue.  From what I can work out in my head, Mailman
> is simply an email multiplexer; it doesn't really have a concept of a
> coherent set of past messages.  However, you may want to look into
> something that can work on a Pipermail archive; also, on the archive
> page for my list (and I assume yours as well) there is a link where you
> can download a full archive of every post ever sent to the list, which
> should be parseable by anything that speaks mbox.
> 
> -- 
> john at io.com (John Buttery)
> drat, I broke my sig script AGAIN!

True enough it is a Pipermail problem - and a fairly simple one
depending on the type of stats he is looking for.

Erick, could you be more explicit as to what kind of stats you are
looking for?

Last year we threw together some stat scripts for Mailman using the log
files. It was a combined effort that took about 4 days - at the end of
which we had some fairly nice scripts that gave a monthly total for:
 - the number of messages attempted,
 - the number of messages accepted,
 - the total byte count processed for the list, and
 - the top 10 posters to the list.

Jon Carnes




From jens at jsconsult.dk  Tue Sep  3 17:43:19 2002
From: jens at jsconsult.dk (Jens W. Skov - JS Consult)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:43:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain
In-Reply-To: <en0r0z5p8.fsf@be.cs.appstate.edu>
Message-ID: <004901c25360$a0b27150$a52efea9@js>

Hi

To day I run a number of majordomo lists. 
They are set up on a server that's not hosting the domains for which it
server as listserver. 
Fx an address infolist at domain.com  would forward to
infolist_domain at mylistserver.com corresponding a list called
infolist_domain. Majordomo then sends to the list members as is the list
was called infolist at domain.com in a way that you would have to look at
the raw headers to see that the real origin is not domain.com.

Can this be done with mailman?

-
Jens




From wash at wananchi.com  Tue Sep  3 17:55:08 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:55:08 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain
In-Reply-To: <004901c25360$a0b27150$a52efea9@js>
References: <en0r0z5p8.fsf@be.cs.appstate.edu> <004901c25360$a0b27150$a52efea9@js>
Message-ID: <20020903155508.GH33185@ns2.wananchi.com>

* Jens W. Skov - JS Consult <jens at jsconsult.dk> [20020903 18:45]: wrote:
> Hi
> 
> To day I run a number of majordomo lists. 
> They are set up on a server that's not hosting the domains for which it
> server as listserver. 
> Fx an address infolist at domain.com  would forward to
> infolist_domain at mylistserver.com corresponding a list called
> infolist_domain. Majordomo then sends to the list members as is the list
> was called infolist at domain.com in a way that you would have to look at
> the raw headers to see that the real origin is not domain.com.
> 
> Can this be done with mailman?


Hello Jens,

I am also interested in this virtual hosting. Please CC me if you get any
solution/suggestions.


        cheers
       - wash 
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http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/		. 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St.,  |
GSM: (+254) 722 743 223			. # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI             |
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						 --from a /. post



From thomasdye56 at hotmail.com  Tue Sep  3 18:19:11 2002
From: thomasdye56 at hotmail.com (hotmail user)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:19:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain
References: <en0r0z5p8.fsf@be.cs.appstate.edu> <004901c25360$a0b27150$a52efea9@js> <20020903155508.GH33185@ns2.wananchi.com>
Message-ID: <OE56VWRbavjr2hO22cM000026fa@hotmail.com>

If your server is wrapping mailman in suexec, 
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/suexec.html 
then, your list admin will not resolve to your own domain name. 
It will look something like:
http://ourserver.com/mailman/admin/list_virtualdomain.net 
instead of: http://virtualdomain.net/mailman/admin/list/ 
and http://virtualdomain.net/mailman/listinfo/list-users_virtualdomain.net/  .. 
This is all done because of precautions of plugging any holes for
hackers to access. 
If your server owner does not use suexec, then, one mailman install
should handle all domains lists on their own domain. 
tom 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Odhiambo Washington 
  To: Jens W. Skov - JS Consult 
  Cc: Mailman-Users at python.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 11:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain


  * Jens W. Skov - JS Consult <jens at jsconsult.dk> [20020903 18:45]: wrote:
  > Hi
  > 
  > To day I run a number of majordomo lists. 
  > They are set up on a server that's not hosting the domains for which it
  > server as listserver. 
  > Fx an address infolist at domain.com  would forward to
  > infolist_domain at mylistserver.com corresponding a list called
  > infolist_domain. Majordomo then sends to the list members as is the list
  > was called infolist at domain.com in a way that you would have to look at
  > the raw headers to see that the real origin is not domain.com.
  > 
  > Can this be done with mailman?


  Hello Jens,

  I am also interested in this virtual hosting. Please CC me if you get any
  solution/suggestions.


          cheers
         - wash 

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From wash at wananchi.com  Tue Sep  3 18:26:36 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:26:36 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain
In-Reply-To: <OE56VWRbavjr2hO22cM000026fa@hotmail.com>
References: <en0r0z5p8.fsf@be.cs.appstate.edu> <004901c25360$a0b27150$a52efea9@js> <20020903155508.GH33185@ns2.wananchi.com> <OE56VWRbavjr2hO22cM000026fa@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20020903162636.GV33185@ns2.wananchi.com>

* hotmail user <thomasdye56 at hotmail.com> [20020903 19:19]: wrote:
> If your server is wrapping mailman in suexec, 
> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/suexec.html 
> then, your list admin will not resolve to your own domain name. 
> It will look something like:
> http://ourserver.com/mailman/admin/list_virtualdomain.net 
> instead of: http://virtualdomain.net/mailman/admin/list/ 
> and http://virtualdomain.net/mailman/listinfo/list-users_virtualdomain.net/  .. 
> This is all done because of precautions of plugging any holes for
> hackers to access. 
> If your server owner does not use suexec, then, one mailman install
> should handle all domains lists on their own domain. 


Hello Tom,

Do you have a short HOWTO on this option that doesn't use suexec?



        cheers
       - wash 
+----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
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http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/		. 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St.,  |
GSM: (+254) 722 743 223			. # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI             |
+---------------------------------+------------------------------------------+
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From mail_man at frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu  Tue Sep  3 18:41:59 2002
From: mail_man at frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu (Mailman)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:41:59 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stupid mistake?
Message-ID: <20020903113815.S4594-100000@frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu>

Hello,

Believe it or not, I am having trouble building mailman.  I have done it
in the past with a previous version on a different machine.  I made a
detailed log describing my individual steps.

FreeBSD 4.6
Postfix 1.1.11
Mailman 2.0.13

Step 1:  Unpacked tar in /root/mailman-2.0.13/

Step 2:  Added line in /etc/group/
mailman:*:1002:

Step 3:  Added line in /etc/passwd
mailman:*:1002:1002:GNU Mailman:/home/mailman:/nonexistent

Step 4:  Added line in /etc/master.passwd
mailman:*:1002:1002::0:0:GNU Mailman:/home/mailman:/nonexistent

Step 5:  Decided that $prefix shall be /usr/local/mailman/

Step 6:  Executed in csh,
#mkdir /usr/local/mailman/

Step 7:  Executed in csh,
#chown mailman:mailman /usr/local/mailman/

Step 8:  Verified Step 7

Step 9:  Executed in csh,
#cd /usr/local/mailman/

Step 10:  Executed in csh,
#chgrp mailman .

Step 11:  Executed in csh,
#chmod a+rs,g+ws .

Step 12:  Executed in csh,
#set MAILHOST=frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu

Step 13:  Executed in csh,
#set WWWHOST=www.frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu

Step 14:  Executed in csh,
#export MAILHOST WWWHOST
export: Command not found.

Step 15:  Executed in csh,
# /root/mailman-2.0.13/configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman/
--with-mail-gid=postfix --with-cgi-gid=nobody

Step 16:  Returned data from configure:
<excerpt>
checking for default fully qualified host name... frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu
checking for default URL host component... frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu
</excerpt>

The big question:  It doesn't seem to have listened to MAILHOST and
WWWHOST from steps 12-14.

Step 17:  Executed in csh,
#cd /root/mailman-2.0.13/

Step 18:  Executed in csh,
#make install
make: don't know how to make install. Stop

Step 19:  Assuming Line 102 in INSTALL is wrong or misplaced.  I will try
'make' first and then 'make install'

Step 20:  Executed in csh,
#make
make: no target to make.

Step 21:  Give up on install...


Tim




From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Sep  3 18:54:52 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 10:54:52 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stupid mistake?
References: <20020903113815.S4594-100000@frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu>
Message-ID: <3D74E95C.913334B5@pcraft.com>

Mailman wrote:

> Step 12:  Executed in csh,
> #set MAILHOST=frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu
> #set WWWHOST=www.frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu
> #export MAILHOST WWWHOST
> export: Command not found.

    command not found.  this explains the failure in step 16...

    try
    #setenv MAILHOST frybread...
    #setenv WWWHOST www.frybread...


> Step 18:  Executed in csh,
> #make install
> make: don't know how to make install. Stop

    that's because you ran the configure command in /usr/local/mailman, not
/root/mailman-2.0.13

    fixing the above, and running the configure command in the right location
will solve the other problems.

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From thomasdye56 at hotmail.com  Tue Sep  3 19:34:56 2002
From: thomasdye56 at hotmail.com (hotmail user)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 13:34:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain
References: <en0r0z5p8.fsf@be.cs.appstate.edu> <004901c25360$a0b27150$a52efea9@js> <20020903155508.GH33185@ns2.wananchi.com> <OE56VWRbavjr2hO22cM000026fa@hotmail.com> <20020903162636.GV33185@ns2.wananchi.com>
Message-ID: <OE50z02H67yRLVbNDN400002828@hotmail.com>

It is my understanding, that either; suexec is enabled or it's not enabled
on the entire server.  There isn't a way that I am aware of to "pick &
choose" suexec or not. It would be up to the server owner whether
suexec is enabled or not; and unfortunately, for those small businesses
that resell hosting, or otherwise use shared hosting, our hands are
tied, so to speak. Server owners want to protect the server, naturally,
and with that, comes sacrifice of running one install of mailman 
for multiple domains. I suppose, it would be feasable to install an
itineration of mailman, in each virtual domain, which would then
sacrifice space, and make upgrading a chore. So, no easy answer,
unless Barry comes up with a workaround. 

If I'm off the base, here, maybe someone can enlighten me. I would love
to have a solution, since, I don't yet host enough sites to warrant a
dedicated server, but also, when I do grow and begin having resellers
sharing MY server, I would be nice to have a solution, without compromising
the security of the server. 
tom 


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Odhiambo Washington 
  To: hotmail user 
  Cc: Odhiambo Washington ; Jens W. Skov - JS Consult ; Mailman-Users at python.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 12:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain


  * hotmail user <thomasdye56 at hotmail.com> [20020903 19:19]: wrote:
  > If your server is wrapping mailman in suexec, 
  > http://httpd.apache.org/docs/suexec.html 
  > then, your list admin will not resolve to your own domain name. 
  > It will look something like:
  > http://ourserver.com/mailman/admin/list_virtualdomain.net 
  > instead of: http://virtualdomain.net/mailman/admin/list/ 
  > and http://virtualdomain.net/mailman/listinfo/list-users_virtualdomain.net/  .. 
  > This is all done because of precautions of plugging any holes for
  > hackers to access. 
  > If your server owner does not use suexec, then, one mailman install
  > should handle all domains lists on their own domain. 


  Hello Tom,

  Do you have a short HOWTO on this option that doesn't use suexec?



          cheers
         - wash 

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From davereed at W5SV.ORG  Tue Sep  3 19:21:53 2002
From: davereed at W5SV.ORG (David F. Reed)
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 12:21:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...
Message-ID: <3D74EFB1.3090805@w5sv.org>

I think I have the grand move almost done;
but, I notice mail from the lists is piling up without going out...

I suspect an SMTP configuration of some sort, but my users
are getting mail out fine...

Any ideas where to look?

Thanks

--Dave

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Sep  3 19:48:06 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 11:48:06 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...
References: <3D74EFB1.3090805@w5sv.org>
Message-ID: <3D74F5D6.CC22E7C6@pcraft.com>

"David F. Reed" wrote:

> I think I have the grand move almost done;
> but, I notice mail from the lists is piling up without going out...
>
> I suspect an SMTP configuration of some sort, but my users
> are getting mail out fine...

    did you install the crontab?

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From davereed at W5SV.ORG  Tue Sep  3 19:48:12 2002
From: davereed at W5SV.ORG (David F. Reed)
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 12:48:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...
References: <3D74EFB1.3090805@w5sv.org>
Message-ID: <3D74F5DC.8020103@w5sv.org>

Sorry I'm a bit slow here; some data might help:

from /var/mailman/smtp

[root at david mailman]# tail smtp
Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection 
refused')
Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds
Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection 
refused')
Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.002 seconds
Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection 
refused')
Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds
Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection 
refused')
Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds
Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection 
refused')
Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds

from /var/mailman/smtp-failure

Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 davereed at w5sv.org (ignore)
Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 davereed at w5sv.org (ignore)
Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 w5sv at arrl.net (ignore)
Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 davereed at w5sv.org (ignore)
Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 davereed at w5sv.org (ignore)
Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 davereed at w5sv.org (ignore)

from /var/mailman/post

Sep 03 12:44:01 2002 (12383) post to test from
test-request at www.w5sv.org, size=1158, 1 failures

Sep 03 12:44:01 2002 (12383) post to test from 
mailman-owner at www.w5sv.org, size=62, 1 failures

Hopefully that will help someone more educated than I to point me
usefully...

--Dave


David F. Reed wrote:

> I think I have the grand move almost done;
> but, I notice mail from the lists is piling up without going out...
>
> I suspect an SMTP configuration of some sort, but my users
> are getting mail out fine...
>
> Any ideas where to look?
>
> Thanks
>
> --Dave
>

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Sep  3 20:03:11 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 12:03:11 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...
References: <3D74EFB1.3090805@w5sv.org> <3D74F5DC.8020103@w5sv.org>
Message-ID: <3D74F95F.A7D58753@pcraft.com>

"David F. Reed" wrote:

> Sorry I'm a bit slow here; some data might help:
>
> [root at david mailman]# tail smtp
> Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
> refused')
> Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds

    i would start looking at your mta logs, see what error it's giving.

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From davereed at W5SV.ORG  Tue Sep  3 20:15:40 2002
From: davereed at W5SV.ORG (David F. Reed)
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 13:15:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...
References: <3D74EFB1.3090805@w5sv.org> <3D74F5D6.CC22E7C6@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <3D74FC4C.6030001@w5sv.org>

Yes, and its running I think (as evidenced by):
[root at david log]# tail /var/log/cron
Sep  3 13:08:00 david CROND[12584]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:09:01 david CROND[12592]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12603]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin/mrtg 
/etc/mrtg/mrtg.cf
Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12604]: (root) CMD (/usr/lib/sa/sa1 1 1)
Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12605]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12606]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:11:00 david CROND[12611]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:12:01 david CROND[12623]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:13:00 david CROND[12629]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail
Sep  3 13:14:00 david CROND[12636]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/var/mail


Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

>"David F. Reed" wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I think I have the grand move almost done;
>>but, I notice mail from the lists is piling up without going out...
>>
>>I suspect an SMTP configuration of some sort, but my users
>>are getting mail out fine...
>>    
>>
>
>    did you install the crontab?
>
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>  
>

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Sep  3 20:33:57 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 12:33:57 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...
References: <3D74EFB1.3090805@w5sv.org> <3D74F5D6.CC22E7C6@pcraft.com> 
		<3D74FC4C.6030001@w5sv.org> <1031077729.407.53.camel@lerlaptop.iadfw.net>
Message-ID: <3D750095.21DBB1FB@pcraft.com>

Larry Rosenman wrote:

> What happens if you telnet to 127.0.0.1 25?

    <sarcasm>
    If *I* do it?

    ----------
    # telnet mail.pcraft.com 25
    Trying 127.0.0.1...
    Connected to localhost.
    Escape character is '^]'.
    220-mail.pcraft.com ESMTP
    220-Kemosabe no in tipi now.  You leave'um message after little smoke signal,
    220 and Kemosabe get back for pow-wow real fast..
    ehlo pcraft.com
    250-mail.pcraft.com Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you
    .... [snip] .... [send mail ...
    250 2.0.0 g83IWht18115 Message accepted: There, doesn't that feel better?
    ----------

    </sarcasm>

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From davereed at W5SV.ORG  Tue Sep  3 20:41:03 2002
From: davereed at W5SV.ORG (David F. Reed)
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 13:41:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...
References: <3D74EFB1.3090805@w5sv.org> <3D74F5D6.CC22E7C6@pcraft.com> 	<3D74FC4C.6030001@w5sv.org> <1031077729.407.53.camel@lerlaptop.iadfw.net>
Message-ID: <3D75023F.8020608@w5sv.org>

Larry, I think you are on to something; odd as it sounds, it is refused:
[root at david mailman]# telnet 127.0.0.1 25
Trying 127.0.0.1...
telnet: connect to address 127.0.0.1: Connection refused

now why do I say "odd"? because the other machines are using this one
as a host to send mail, as am I logged onto it, but, mailman can't...

so I am confused...

I am running RH 7.3; I do not see immediately how to turn that on,
but I will search.

Thanks

--Dave

Larry Rosenman wrote:

>What happens if you telnet to 127.0.0.1 25?
>
>
>
>On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 13:15, David F. Reed wrote:
>  
>
>>Yes, and its running I think (as evidenced by):
>>[root at david log]# tail /var/log/cron
>>Sep  3 13:08:00 david CROND[12584]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
>>/var/mail
>>Sep  3 13:09:01 david CROND[12592]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
>>/var/mail
>>Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12603]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin/mrtg 
>>/etc/mrtg/mrtg.cf
>>Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12604]: (root) CMD (/usr/lib/sa/sa1 1 1)
>>Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12605]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
>>/var/mail
>>Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12606]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
>>/var/mail
>>Sep  3 13:11:00 david CROND[12611]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
>>/var/mail
>>Sep  3 13:12:01 david CROND[12623]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
>>/var/mail
>>Sep  3 13:13:00 david CROND[12629]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
>>/var/mail
>>Sep  3 13:14:00 david CROND[12636]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
>>/var/mail
>>
>>
>>Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>"David F. Reed" wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I think I have the grand move almost done;
>>>>but, I notice mail from the lists is piling up without going out...
>>>>
>>>>I suspect an SMTP configuration of some sort, but my users
>>>>are getting mail out fine...
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>   did you install the crontab?
>>>
>>>--
>>>W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
>>> +--------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
>>> IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
>>> Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
>>> http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>-- 
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>>(for pgp key: davereed at W5SV.org http://keys.pgp.com/ )
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>
>>    
>>

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Sep  3 20:43:07 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 03 Sep 2002 14:43:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...
In-Reply-To: <3D74F5DC.8020103@w5sv.org>
References: <3D74EFB1.3090805@w5sv.org>  <3D74F5DC.8020103@w5sv.org>
Message-ID: <1031078587.1611.46.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Are you running Sendmail?  Do you have it setup to listen on interface
0.0.0.0 only or on all interfaces (what do you get when you run netstat
-a)?

Jon Carnes
===
On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 13:48, David F. Reed wrote:
> Sorry I'm a bit slow here; some data might help:
> 
> from /var/mailman/smtp
> 
> [root at david mailman]# tail smtp
> Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection 
> refused')
> Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds
> Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection 
> refused')
> Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.002 seconds
> Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection 
> refused')
> Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds
> Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection 
> refused')
> Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds
> Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection 
> refused')
> Sep 03 12:42:00 2002 (12367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds
> 
> from /var/mailman/smtp-failure
> 
> Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 davereed at w5sv.org (ignore)
> Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 davereed at w5sv.org (ignore)
> Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 w5sv at arrl.net (ignore)
> Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 davereed at w5sv.org (ignore)
> Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 davereed at w5sv.org (ignore)
> Sep 03 12:43:01 2002 (12375) -1 davereed at w5sv.org (ignore)
> 
> from /var/mailman/post
> 
> Sep 03 12:44:01 2002 (12383) post to test from
> test-request at www.w5sv.org, size=1158, 1 failures
> 
> Sep 03 12:44:01 2002 (12383) post to test from 
> mailman-owner at www.w5sv.org, size=62, 1 failures
> 
> Hopefully that will help someone more educated than I to point me
> usefully...
> 
> --Dave
> 
> 
> David F. Reed wrote:
> 
> > I think I have the grand move almost done;
> > but, I notice mail from the lists is piling up without going out...
> >
> > I suspect an SMTP configuration of some sort, but my users
> > are getting mail out fine...
> >
> > Any ideas where to look?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --Dave
> >
> 
> -- 
> David F. Reed  -> email: W5SV at arrl.net
> (for pgp key: davereed at W5SV.org http://keys.pgp.com/ )
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From ler at lerctr.org  Tue Sep  3 20:42:50 2002
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: 03 Sep 2002 13:42:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...
In-Reply-To: <3D75023F.8020608@w5sv.org>
References: <3D74EFB1.3090805@w5sv.org> <3D74F5D6.CC22E7C6@pcraft.com>
		<3D74FC4C.6030001@w5sv.org> <1031077729.407.53.camel@lerlaptop.iadfw.net> 
	<3D75023F.8020608@w5sv.org>
Message-ID: <1031078570.407.64.camel@lerlaptop.iadfw.net>

On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 13:41, David F. Reed wrote:
> Larry, I think you are on to something; odd as it sounds, it is refused:
> [root at david mailman]# telnet 127.0.0.1 25
> Trying 127.0.0.1...
> telnet: connect to address 127.0.0.1: Connection refused
> 
> now why do I say "odd"? because the other machines are using this one
> as a host to send mail, as am I logged onto it, but, mailman can't...
> 
> so I am confused...
> 
> I am running RH 7.3; I do not see immediately how to turn that on,
> but I will search.
look in your sendmail.(mc|cf) files. 

I think this is the root of your problem. 

I believe RH in their infinite wisdon(sic) turned off localhost....

LER
> 
> Thanks
> 
> --Dave
> 
> Larry Rosenman wrote:
> 
> >What happens if you telnet to 127.0.0.1 25?
> >
> >
> >
> >On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 13:15, David F. Reed wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Yes, and its running I think (as evidenced by):
> >>[root at david log]# tail /var/log/cron
> >>Sep  3 13:08:00 david CROND[12584]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
> >>/var/mail
> >>Sep  3 13:09:01 david CROND[12592]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
> >>/var/mail
> >>Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12603]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin/mrtg 
> >>/etc/mrtg/mrtg.cf
> >>Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12604]: (root) CMD (/usr/lib/sa/sa1 1 1)
> >>Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12605]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
> >>/var/mail
> >>Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12606]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
> >>/var/mail
> >>Sep  3 13:11:00 david CROND[12611]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
> >>/var/mail
> >>Sep  3 13:12:01 david CROND[12623]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
> >>/var/mail
> >>Sep  3 13:13:00 david CROND[12629]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
> >>/var/mail
> >>Sep  3 13:14:00 david CROND[12636]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
> >>/var/mail
> >>
> >>
> >>Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>"David F. Reed" wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>I think I have the grand move almost done;
> >>>>but, I notice mail from the lists is piling up without going out...
> >>>>
> >>>>I suspect an SMTP configuration of some sort, but my users
> >>>>are getting mail out fine...
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>   did you install the crontab?
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
> >>> +--------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
> >>> IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
> >>> Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
> >>> http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>------------------------------------------------------
> >>>Mailman-Users mailing list
> >>>Mailman-Users at python.org
> >>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >>>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> >>>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>-- 
> >>David F. Reed  -> email: W5SV at arrl.net
> >>(for pgp key: davereed at W5SV.org http://keys.pgp.com/ )
> >> 
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>------------------------------------------------------
> >>Mailman-Users mailing list
> >>Mailman-Users at python.org
> >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> >>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> 
> -- 
> David F. Reed  -> email: W5SV at arrl.net
> (for pgp key: davereed at W5SV.org http://keys.pgp.com/ )
>  
> 
> 
-- 
Larry Rosenman                     http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
Phone: +1 972-414-9812                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749




From kd5de at nwla.com  Tue Sep  3 20:48:45 2002
From: kd5de at nwla.com (Mel Sojka)
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 13:48:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...
References: <3D74EFB1.3090805@w5sv.org> <3D74F5D6.CC22E7C6@pcraft.com> 	<3D74FC4C.6030001@w5sv.org> <1031077729.407.53.camel@lerlaptop.iadfw.net> <3D75023F.8020608@w5sv.org>
Message-ID: <3D75040D.342946BC@nwla.com>

Check /etc/mail/sendmail.mc. By default Red Hat accepts no network mail.
							Mel
-- 
System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com
Linux User #25446    Linux 2.4.7



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Sep  3 20:34:38 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 03 Sep 2002 14:34:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain
In-Reply-To: <004901c25360$a0b27150$a52efea9@js>
References: <004901c25360$a0b27150$a52efea9@js>
Message-ID: <1031078079.1611.43.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

The current version of Mailman leaves this to the MTA to figure out.  If
you were using Sendmail then you would setup the Generics tables with
each list to indicate the domains that the lists should appear to be
from.  In postfix, exim, and qmail this is part of the standard install
(correct me folks if I'm wrong).  You'll have to read up on the MTA that
you are going to be using in order to handle the virtual domains
properly.

HtH,

Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 11:43, Jens W. Skov - JS Consult wrote:
> Hi
> 
> To day I run a number of majordomo lists. 
> They are set up on a server that's not hosting the domains for which it
> server as listserver. 
> Fx an address infolist at domain.com  would forward to
> infolist_domain at mylistserver.com corresponding a list called
> infolist_domain. Majordomo then sends to the list members as is the list
> was called infolist at domain.com in a way that you would have to look at
> the raw headers to see that the real origin is not domain.com.
> 
> Can this be done with mailman?
> 
> -
> Jens
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/





From dreamboy at aros.net  Tue Sep  3 21:29:57 2002
From: dreamboy at aros.net (Devin Atencio)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 13:29:57 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: Undeliverable Message (fwd)
Message-ID: <003b01c25380$4aefe430$0901000a@devin>

I have Mailman 2.0.13 installed and I am noticing a problem. When
Mailman sends out the monthly password reminders to all the users one of
the mailing lists is using another mailing list e-mail address as to the
address. 
I have a list setup called utahsymphony-list at aros.net and for some
reason
Bmorton-list-admin at cielogris.com is getting the message below which is
about utahsymphony-list at aros.net that has nothing to do with him. Any
ideas
why this is happening? Any help would greatly be appreciated. 


-----Original Message-----
From: Brice Morton [mailto:bmorton at aros.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 1:08 PM
To: dreamboy at aros.net
Subject: Undeliverable Message (fwd)



---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 07:03:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: CompuServe Postmaster <postmaster at compuserve.com>
To: bmorton-list-admin at cielogris.com
Subject: Undeliverable Message

Receiver not found: gursten


Your message could not be delivered as addressed.

--- Message From Postmaster ---

Subject: Addressing CompuServe Mail users

Please contact postmaster at compuserve.com if you need additional
formatting
information for other types of addresses.

Cordially,

The Electronic Postmaster

--- Returned Message ---

Sender: bmorton-list-admin at cielogris.com
Received: from mail2.aros.net (mail2.aros.net [66.219.192.20])
	by siaag1ad.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.14) with ESMTP id
HAA19665
	for <gursten at compuserve.com>; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 07:03:14 -0400
(EDT)
Received: from mail2.aros.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by mail2.aros.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g81B3CSF025716
	for <gursten at compuserve.com>; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 05:03:12 -0600
(MDT)
	(envelope-from bmorton-list-admin at cielogris.com)
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 05:03:12 -0600
Message-ID: <20020901110312.22471.65233.Mailman at mail2.aros.net>
Subject: aros.net mailing list memberships reminder
From: mailman-owner at aros.net
To: gursten at compuserve.com
X-No-Archive: yes
X-Ack: no
Sender: bmorton-list-admin at cielogris.com
Errors-To: bmorton-list-admin at cielogris.com
X-BeenThere: bmorton-list at cielogris.com
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13
Precedence: bulk
X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/)

This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your aros.net mailing
list memberships.  It includes your subscription info and how to use
it to change it or unsubscribe from a list.

You can visit the URLs to change your membership status or
configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery
or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

In addition to the URL interfaces, you can also use email to make such
changes.  For more info, send a message to the '-request' address of
the list (for example, utahsymphony-list-request at aros.net) containing
just the word 'help' in the message body, and an email message will be
sent to you with instructions.

If you have questions, problems, comments, etc, send them to
mailman-owner at aros.net.  Thanks!

Passwords for gursten at compuserve.com:

List                                     Password // URL
----                                     --------  
utahsymphony-list at aros.net               uxorce    
http://www.aros.net/mailman/options/utahsymphony-list/gursten%40compuser
ve.com




From ler at lerctr.org  Tue Sep  3 20:28:44 2002
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: 03 Sep 2002 13:28:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...
In-Reply-To: <3D74FC4C.6030001@w5sv.org>
References: <3D74EFB1.3090805@w5sv.org> <3D74F5D6.CC22E7C6@pcraft.com> 
	<3D74FC4C.6030001@w5sv.org>
Message-ID: <1031077729.407.53.camel@lerlaptop.iadfw.net>

What happens if you telnet to 127.0.0.1 25?



On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 13:15, David F. Reed wrote:
> Yes, and its running I think (as evidenced by):
> [root at david log]# tail /var/log/cron
> Sep  3 13:08:00 david CROND[12584]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
> /var/mail
> Sep  3 13:09:01 david CROND[12592]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
> /var/mail
> Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12603]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin/mrtg 
> /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cf
> Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12604]: (root) CMD (/usr/lib/sa/sa1 1 1)
> Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12605]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
> /var/mail
> Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12606]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
> /var/mail
> Sep  3 13:11:00 david CROND[12611]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
> /var/mail
> Sep  3 13:12:01 david CROND[12623]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
> /var/mail
> Sep  3 13:13:00 david CROND[12629]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
> /var/mail
> Sep  3 13:14:00 david CROND[12636]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
> /var/mail
> 
> 
> Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
> 
> >"David F. Reed" wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>I think I have the grand move almost done;
> >>but, I notice mail from the lists is piling up without going out...
> >>
> >>I suspect an SMTP configuration of some sort, but my users
> >>are getting mail out fine...
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >    did you install the crontab?
> >
> >--
> >W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
> >  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
> >  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
> >  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
> >  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
> >  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------
> >Mailman-Users mailing list
> >Mailman-Users at python.org
> >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >  
> >
> 
> -- 
> David F. Reed  -> email: W5SV at arrl.net
> (for pgp key: davereed at W5SV.org http://keys.pgp.com/ )
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
-- 
Larry Rosenman                     http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
Phone: +1 972-414-9812                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749




From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Tue Sep  3 20:42:44 2002
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:42:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] change password reminder From: header?
References: <p05111a22b99806b1755f@[209.71.91.82]> <p05111a22b99806b1755f@[209.71.91.82]> <5.1.0.14.2.20020902102038.04890e98@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <002301c25379$b0e45f20$0b7a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.or.us>

If password reminders are set to monthly by  default, and a list owner
chooses to use that setting, is there a way to set the From: header to the
list owner address and not mailman-owner?

As the administrator of over 200 lists, I don't want to be getting all the
"out of the office" messages in reply to the password reminder, nor do I
want to have to deal with the messages in reply, like "why am I on this
list?", "what is this password stuff all about?", etc.

I have read the archives and FAQ, but can't find anything definitive about
this.


Christopher Adams
Automated Systems
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243  x258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Barrett" <R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk>
To: "Tom Whiting" <wolf at wolfstream.net>; "Mike D." <fnmjd at voicenet.com>;
<mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 2:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b3 and making a list moderated?


> At 19:17 01/09/2002 -0500, Tom Whiting wrote:
> >On Sunday 01 September 2002 01:07 pm, Mike D. wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > My server administrator just installed 2.1b3.  There was the option
> > > to moderate all postings to a list in the privacy section of the
> > > previous version of Mailman, but now I can not locate any such
> > > option.  The only thing I can find is the "Emergency moderation of
> > > all list traffic" selection at the top of the admin pages.  Is this
> > > the only way to have the email list now be moderated, or is there
> > > another way I am missing.
>
> You should find what you want by clicking the 'Sender filters' link at the
> top of the 'Privacy options' page of the web GUI for the list.
>
> >I agree 100% here.. This is probably the only problem i've found with
beta
> >version of mailman, that the moderation has to be chosen on an individual
> >basis,or that you can't just define you want a certain list to be read
only.
> >
> >Here's what I mean;
> >You start up X list
> >X list is supposed to be a low-traffic announcement list, something for
> >you to
> >announce releases, uptime,etc to your customers.
> >By default, any customer can post to X list,with no way to change this.
> >So, what you're left with is an open list that any customer can post to
and
> >spam.
> >
> >
> >Not exactly a smart idea.
> >
> >**shrug**
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Sep  3 22:02:19 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 03 Sep 2002 16:02:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: Undeliverable Message (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <003b01c25380$4aefe430$0901000a@devin>
References: <003b01c25380$4aefe430$0901000a@devin>
Message-ID: <1031083339.1607.71.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Not that this is going to be of much help, but I thought I should send
this as quickly as possible...

You might want to change the password for "utahsymphony-list at aros.net"
as quickly as you can and then make sure that their settings are okay.

(unless of course, you substituted in a different password before
sending to this list...)

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

BTW: is it possible that the sub-list is closed and your "request" user
was not added as a allowed poster?

BTW2: if you are going to have sub-lists on your list, you might want to
consider only running a list of sub-lists and then marking that list as
an umbrella list - then these kinds or things won't happen.  Of course
you could also simply upgrade to the Beta version which lets you
individually handle such problems.




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Sep  3 22:07:27 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 03 Sep 2002 16:07:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] change password reminder From: header?
In-Reply-To: 
	<002301c25379$b0e45f20$0b7a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.or.us>
References: <p05111a22b99806b1755f@[209.71.91.82]>
	<p05111a22b99806b1755f@[209.71.91.82]>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20020902102038.04890e98@pop.ftel.co.uk> 
	<002301c25379$b0e45f20$0b7a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <1031083647.1611.75.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

If I recall correctly, Mailman ends the subject of the those messages
with: "mailing list memberships reminder"

If you use your email rules to throw away any messages with that in the
subject - as long as the mail does not come from "mailman-owner" - then
you'll be tossing all that cruft away that you don't want to see, yet
your own reminders will still get through.

HtH - Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 14:42, Christopher Adams wrote:
> If password reminders are set to monthly by  default, and a list owner
> chooses to use that setting, is there a way to set the From: header to the
> list owner address and not mailman-owner?
> 
> As the administrator of over 200 lists, I don't want to be getting all the
> "out of the office" messages in reply to the password reminder, nor do I
> want to have to deal with the messages in reply, like "why am I on this
> list?", "what is this password stuff all about?", etc.
> 
> I have read the archives and FAQ, but can't find anything definitive about
> this.
> 
> 
> Christopher Adams
> Automated Systems
> Oregon State Library
> 503-378-4243  x258
> chris.a.adams at state.or.us
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Barrett" <R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk>
> To: "Tom Whiting" <wolf at wolfstream.net>; "Mike D." <fnmjd at voicenet.com>;
> <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 2:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b3 and making a list moderated?
> 
> 
> > At 19:17 01/09/2002 -0500, Tom Whiting wrote:
> > >On Sunday 01 September 2002 01:07 pm, Mike D. wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > My server administrator just installed 2.1b3.  There was the option
> > > > to moderate all postings to a list in the privacy section of the
> > > > previous version of Mailman, but now I can not locate any such
> > > > option.  The only thing I can find is the "Emergency moderation of
> > > > all list traffic" selection at the top of the admin pages.  Is this
> > > > the only way to have the email list now be moderated, or is there
> > > > another way I am missing.
> >
> > You should find what you want by clicking the 'Sender filters' link at the
> > top of the 'Privacy options' page of the web GUI for the list.
> >
> > >I agree 100% here.. This is probably the only problem i've found with
> beta
> > >version of mailman, that the moderation has to be chosen on an individual
> > >basis,or that you can't just define you want a certain list to be read
> only.
> > >
> > >Here's what I mean;
> > >You start up X list
> > >X list is supposed to be a low-traffic announcement list, something for
> > >you to
> > >announce releases, uptime,etc to your customers.
> > >By default, any customer can post to X list,with no way to change this.
> > >So, what you're left with is an open list that any customer can post to
> and
> > >spam.
> > >
> > >
> > >Not exactly a smart idea.
> > >
> > >**shrug**
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/





From joerg at alea.gnuu.de  Tue Sep  3 22:43:49 2002
From: joerg at alea.gnuu.de (Joerg Sommer)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:43:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] several addresses for one user
Message-ID: <20020903204349.GA661@alea.gnuu.de>

Hi,

I feed some mailinglists to a local newsserver. 4 local people read this
lists and discuss on them. The problem is, that I register an address
ml-XX at alae.gnuu.de. All messages comming in for this address were feeded
in the newsgroup local.XX. If a reader followups to a article, the
message is send to the mailinglist. But the sender isn't registered and
the mail must wait for the list admin. But I don't want rewrite the from
address on sending to ml-XX, because in the case of a private reply, the
address isn't the address of the sender.

Can I register a member ml-XX on a mailing list and give the addresses of
persons I trust? So this persons can post, but don't receive mails.

Joerg.



From davereed at W5SV.ORG  Tue Sep  3 23:02:36 2002
From: davereed at W5SV.ORG (David F. Reed)
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 16:02:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...
References: <3D74EFB1.3090805@w5sv.org> <3D74F5D6.CC22E7C6@pcraft.com> 	<3D74FC4C.6030001@w5sv.org> <1031077729.407.53.camel@lerlaptop.iadfw.net>
Message-ID: <3D75236C.2020406@w5sv.org>

indeed, now that port 25 is listening on localhost, its fine:
[davereed at david davereed]$ telnet 127.0.0.1 25
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to 127.0.0.1.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 david.w5sv.org ESMTP Sendmail 8.11.6/8.11.6; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 
16:00:21 -0500

500 5.5.1 Command unrecognized: ""
help
214-2.0.0 This is sendmail version 8.11.6
214-2.0.0 Topics:
214-2.0.0       HELO    EHLO    MAIL    RCPT    DATA
214-2.0.0       RSET    NOOP    QUIT    HELP    VRFY
214-2.0.0       EXPN    VERB    ETRN    DSN     AUTH
214-2.0.0       STARTTLS
214-2.0.0 For more info use "HELP <topic>".
214-2.0.0 To report bugs in the implementation send email to
214-2.0.0       sendmail-bugs at sendmail.org.
214-2.0.0 For local information send email to Postmaster at your site.
214 2.0.0 End of HELP info

and yes, that got mailman unclogged...

Thanks for the help.

--Dave

Larry Rosenman wrote:

>What happens if you telnet to 127.0.0.1 25?
>
>
>
>On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 13:15, David F. Reed wrote:
>  
>
>>Yes, and its running I think (as evidenced by):
>>[root at david log]# tail /var/log/cron
>>Sep  3 13:08:00 david CROND[12584]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
>>/var/mail
>>Sep  3 13:09:01 david CROND[12592]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
>>/var/mail
>>Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12603]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin/mrtg 
>>/etc/mrtg/mrtg.cf
>>Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12604]: (root) CMD (/usr/lib/sa/sa1 1 1)
>>Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12605]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
>>/var/mail
>>Sep  3 13:10:00 david CROND[12606]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
>>/var/mail
>>Sep  3 13:11:00 david CROND[12611]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
>>/var/mail
>>Sep  3 13:12:01 david CROND[12623]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
>>/var/mail
>>Sep  3 13:13:00 david CROND[12629]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
>>/var/mail
>>Sep  3 13:14:00 david CROND[12636]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
>>/var/mail
>>
>>
>>Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>"David F. Reed" wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I think I have the grand move almost done;
>>>>but, I notice mail from the lists is piling up without going out...
>>>>
>>>>I suspect an SMTP configuration of some sort, but my users
>>>>are getting mail out fine...
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>   did you install the crontab?
>>>
>>>--
>>>W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
>>> +--------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
>>> IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
>>> Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
>>> http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>-- 
>>David F. Reed  -> email: W5SV at arrl.net
>>(for pgp key: davereed at W5SV.org http://keys.pgp.com/ )
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------
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>>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>
>>    
>>

-- 
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(for pgp key: davereed at W5SV.org http://keys.pgp.com/ )
 






From ler at lerctr.org  Tue Sep  3 23:04:06 2002
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: 03 Sep 2002 16:04:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail from lists backing up...
In-Reply-To: <3D75236C.2020406@w5sv.org>
References: <3D74EFB1.3090805@w5sv.org> <3D74F5D6.CC22E7C6@pcraft.com>
		<3D74FC4C.6030001@w5sv.org> <1031077729.407.53.camel@lerlaptop.iadfw.net> 
	<3D75236C.2020406@w5sv.org>
Message-ID: <1031087050.407.85.camel@lerlaptop.iadfw.net>

On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 16:02, David F. Reed wrote:
> indeed, now that port 25 is listening on localhost, its fine:
> [davereed at david davereed]$ telnet 127.0.0.1 25
> Trying 127.0.0.1...
> Connected to 127.0.0.1.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> 220 david.w5sv.org ESMTP Sendmail 8.11.6/8.11.6; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 
> 16:00:21 -0500
> 
> 500 5.5.1 Command unrecognized: ""
> help
> 214-2.0.0 This is sendmail version 8.11.6
> 214-2.0.0 Topics:
> 214-2.0.0       HELO    EHLO    MAIL    RCPT    DATA
> 214-2.0.0       RSET    NOOP    QUIT    HELP    VRFY
> 214-2.0.0       EXPN    VERB    ETRN    DSN     AUTH
> 214-2.0.0       STARTTLS
> 214-2.0.0 For more info use "HELP <topic>".
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> 214-2.0.0       sendmail-bugs at sendmail.org.
> 214-2.0.0 For local information send email to Postmaster at your site.
> 214 2.0.0 End of HELP info
> 
> and yes, that got mailman unclogged...
> 
> Thanks for the help.
Somehow, I knew it would....


You are most welcome.

LER
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From dreamboy at aros.net  Tue Sep  3 23:11:13 2002
From: dreamboy at aros.net (Devin Atencio)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:11:13 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-owner@domain.com
Message-ID: <009901c2538e$6f4cc9c0$0901000a@devin>

 
I have Mailman 2.0.13 and I notice every month I'm getting lots of
unsubscribe requests
to mailman-owner at aros.net. Is there a way to change the configuration so
that the list
owner gets these requests and not me (ie: listname-owner at aros.net).??
Any help
would be appreciated.
 
 
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From: Bobby697 at aol.com (Bobby697 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:17:00 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #2215 - 10 msgs
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From mail_man at frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu  Wed Sep  4 00:37:35 2002
From: mail_man at frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu (Mailman)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:37:35 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'unknown user' error
Message-ID: <20020903172800.P7066-100000@frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu>

I created a small list with 4 subscribers.  After sending the first
e-mail, I get this bounced back to me.  I never entered a user with this
name, no record of this user is listed in ~/logs/subscribe

I have been puzzled over this for about the past hour or so.

BTW, thanks to all those who helped me with my install.  Once made, the
rest of the install went off without a single problem.

>From legg at iastate.edu Tue Sep  3 16:24:02 2002
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From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Wed Sep  4 01:38:48 2002
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:38:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] password reminder question
Message-ID: <004901c253a3$0d5bf460$0b7a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.or.us>

I have a question about password reminders. This system sends out montly
password reminders. Below is the header and footer of a message to a user.
Note that it comes from 'jog-admin' (another list we host) and is for a
subscriber of the 'currdir' list. It appears that it sent the correct
information to the right person, but why does it appear to be coming from
'jog-admin'?

Is this a feature or a bug in Mailman?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: jog-admin at webhost.osl.state.or.us
> [mailto:jog-admin at webhost.osl.state.or.us]On Behalf Of
> mailman-owner at webhost.osl.state.or.us
> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 5:30 AM
> To: penny_alby at parkrose.k12.or.us
> Subject: webhost.osl.state.or.us mailing list memberships reminder


> List                                     Password // URL
> ----                                     --------
> currdir at webhost.osl.state.or.us          bogus
>


Christopher Adams
Automated Systems
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243  x258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us




From marina at reliance.it  Wed Sep  4 02:29:14 2002
From: marina at reliance.it (marina)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:29:14 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error
In-Reply-To: <20020903160007.17077.34273.Mailman@mail.python.org>
References: <20020903160007.17077.34273.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <p04330105b99b0398b8d0@[192.164.0.2]>

At 11:51 AM -0400 2/9/02 [dmy], barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) 
wrote about [Subject] Re: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error:
  >>>>>> "marina" ==   <marina at reliance.it> writes:
  >
  >    marina> I was wondering whether there's any information available
  >    marina> on possible reasons for 500 Internal Server Errors, apart
  >    marina> from mailman's locks.
  >
  >Internal Server Errors come from the web server, so you should check
  >its logs for clues.
  >
  >-Barry



Thank you, I know that. Sorry if I didn't make my question clear 
enough. What I would like to know is if there's any clues on what 
might cause 500 server errors when a list administrator tries to 
update the admindb queue.

I maintain the list, but have no access to the web server logs, and 
the sie administrator hasn't been able to find out what causes these 
random errors. I don't know, and I'm only guessing here, but I would 
think that if the log had an explanation of what happened, fixing the 
error wouldn't be a problem for the site administrator.

Am I wrong in assuming that the error in the Web server is caused by 
something mailman does, and could therefore be avoided if we knew 
(and could fix) what mailman is doing wrong?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions,

marina
Co-ListMum, Soap Naturally mailing list
<http://www.soapnaturally.org/>



From ler at lerctr.org  Wed Sep  4 02:37:41 2002
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: 03 Sep 2002 19:37:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error
In-Reply-To: <p04330105b99b0398b8d0@[192.164.0.2]>
References: <20020903160007.17077.34273.Mailman@mail.python.org> 
	<p04330105b99b0398b8d0@[192.164.0.2]>
Message-ID: <1031099861.400.0.camel@lerlaptop.lerctr.org>

SUexec violation?
On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 19:29, marina wrote:
> At 11:51 AM -0400 2/9/02 [dmy], barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) 
> wrote about [Subject] Re: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error:
>   >>>>>> "marina" ==   <marina at reliance.it> writes:
>   >
>   >    marina> I was wondering whether there's any information available
>   >    marina> on possible reasons for 500 Internal Server Errors, apart
>   >    marina> from mailman's locks.
>   >
>   >Internal Server Errors come from the web server, so you should check
>   >its logs for clues.
>   >
>   >-Barry
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you, I know that. Sorry if I didn't make my question clear 
> enough. What I would like to know is if there's any clues on what 
> might cause 500 server errors when a list administrator tries to 
> update the admindb queue.
> 
> I maintain the list, but have no access to the web server logs, and 
> the sie administrator hasn't been able to find out what causes these 
> random errors. I don't know, and I'm only guessing here, but I would 
> think that if the log had an explanation of what happened, fixing the 
> error wouldn't be a problem for the site administrator.
> 
> Am I wrong in assuming that the error in the Web server is caused by 
> something mailman does, and could therefore be avoided if we knew 
> (and could fix) what mailman is doing wrong?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions,
> 
> marina
> Co-ListMum, Soap Naturally mailing list
> <http://www.soapnaturally.org/>
> 
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> 
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From john at userfrenzy.com  Wed Sep  4 02:39:20 2002
From: john at userfrenzy.com (John Handelaar)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 01:39:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error
In-Reply-To: <p04330105b99b0398b8d0@[192.164.0.2]>
Message-ID: <BEEMIMHGMNIOGNMGICNAAEEJCGAA.john@userfrenzy.com>

% -----Original Message-----
% From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
% [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of marina
% Sent: 04 September 2002 01:29
% To: mailman-users at python.org
% Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error
% 
% 
% At 11:51 AM -0400 2/9/02 [dmy], barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) 
% wrote about [Subject] Re: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error:
%   >Internal Server Errors come from the web server, so you should check
%   >its logs for clues.
%   >
%   >-Barry
% 
% Thank you, I know that. Sorry if I didn't make my question clear 
% enough. What I would like to know is if there's any clues on what 
% might cause 500 server errors when a list administrator tries to 
% update the admindb queue.

Can't speak for your particular case (it will be in the apache
error log), but in my experience nearly all such errors are caused
by a permissions problem.

------------------------------------------
John Handelaar

T +44 20 8933 1494       M +44 7930 681789
F +44 870 169 7657   E john at userfrenzy.com
------------------------------------------ 



From barry at python.org  Wed Sep  4 03:45:11 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:45:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error
References: <20020903160007.17077.34273.Mailman@mail.python.org>
	<p04330105b99b0398b8d0@[192.164.0.2]>
Message-ID: <15733.26023.670074.983705@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "marina" ==   <marina at reliance.it> writes:

    marina> Thank you, I know that. Sorry if I didn't make my question
    marina> clear enough. What I would like to know is if there's any
    marina> clues on what might cause 500 server errors when a list
    marina> administrator tries to update the admindb queue.

    marina> I maintain the list, but have no access to the web server
    marina> logs, and the sie administrator hasn't been able to find
    marina> out what causes these random errors. I don't know, and I'm
    marina> only guessing here, but I would think that if the log had
    marina> an explanation of what happened, fixing the error wouldn't
    marina> be a problem for the site administrator.

    marina> Am I wrong in assuming that the error in the Web server is
    marina> caused by something mailman does, and could therefore be
    marina> avoided if we knew (and could fix) what mailman is doing
    marina> wrong?

It's possible, but it may not be a problem with Mailman.  Mailman only
needs to get a little ways into its driver script for it to be able to
give you better error reporting.  It's possible that it's a gid
problem, and for that, the web server logs should make that
immediately clear.  But if it only happens for the admindb pages and
not the other cgi's, I don't think that's it.

Without more detailed tracebacks or error messages, we'll just be
shooting in the dark.

-Barry



From mail_man at frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu  Wed Sep  4 04:06:00 2002
From: mail_man at frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu (Mailman)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:06:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'unknown user' error
In-Reply-To: <20020903172800.P7066-100000@frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu>
Message-ID: <20020903210318.F9257-100000@frybread.stuorg.iastate.edu>

Let's just pretend I didn't ask this.  I did a major Homer Simpson-ish DOH
and forgot to do the aliases.  Took me all afternoon to figure it out.  I
guess I got so carried away and went into a wild-eyed daze once I went
into the list creation phase.

I love mailman...

On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Mailman wrote:

> I created a small list with 4 subscribers.  After sending the first
> e-mail, I get this bounced back to me.  I never entered a user with this
> name, no record of this user is listed in ~/logs/subscribe
>
> I have been puzzled over this for about the past hour or so.
>
> BTW, thanks to all those who helped me with my install.  Once made, the
> rest of the install went off without a single problem.
>
> >From legg at iastate.edu Tue Sep  3 16:24:02 2002
> Status: RO
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Sep  4 06:16:21 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 04 Sep 2002 00:16:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error
In-Reply-To: <15733.26023.670074.983705@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <20020903160007.17077.34273.Mailman@mail.python.org>
	<p04330105b99b0398b8d0@[192.164.0.2]> 
	<15733.26023.670074.983705@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <1031112982.1611.135.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 21:45, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> Without more detailed tracebacks or error messages, we'll just be
> shooting in the dark.
> 
> -Barry
> 
If I were going to shoot in the dark on this one, then I would look at
the server memory while you were doing your Admindb work. Is your
database very large?  Also, what size are the partitions on this
server?  Any of them feeling the pinch on space?

Then for a real shot in the dark, ask about the servers use of NFS and
if any of its volumes are mounted remotely. There is nothing quite like
trying to lock an application via an NFS mounted drive!

Good Luck,

Jon Carnes




From toombs at sympatico.ca  Wed Sep  4 01:11:07 2002
From: toombs at sympatico.ca (Bruce P. Toombs)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 00:11:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hotmail and similar mail accounts
In-Reply-To: <OE366xzmeWgUSp3sJWG000025cc@hotmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209021611470.30167-100000@bsd.rockar.nu>
 <a05001902b998df14a4c9@[64.228.230.89]>
 <OE366xzmeWgUSp3sJWG000025cc@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <a05001900b99af18d81a5@[64.228.183.94]>

Thanks Tom.  I have tried to get them to read these files, and they 
seem to have trouble following the instructions.  ... now, does aol 
do the same thing? I have one subscriber who claims she never gets a 
single message off the list, and I'm assuming aol is deleting it.

Anyway, thanks. I'll reiterate the instructions.

Bruce.

At 09:57 -0400 03/09/02, hotmail user wrote:
>
>Hotmail has filters that are set up by the user. Check HM FAQ:
><http://lc3.law13.hotmail.passport.com/cgi-bin/dasp/ua_info.asp?_lang=EN&pg=faq&id=2&fs=1&cb=_lang%3dEN&ct=1031061040#q8>http://lc3.law13.hotmail.passport.com/cgi-bin/dasp/ua_info.asp?_lang=EN&pg=faq&id=2&fs=1&cb=_lang%3dEN&ct=1031061040#q8 
>
>Your subscribers need to read the FAQ about " This is not Junk Mail "
>and " Exclusive " ; as well as about adding your list address to their
>" safelist " .
>
>Alternatively, they could get a "real" email account. ;-)
>
>tom
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:toombs at sympatico.ca>Bruce P. Toombs
>To: <mailto:Mailman-Users at python.org>Mailman-Users at python.org
>Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 5:28 AM
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] hotmail and similar mail accounts
>
>
>Hello, it appears that hotmail and similar free web-based email
>treats my mailman lists as spam and shunts them directly into the
>trash. Is there any way I can prevent this from happening?
>
>Thanks very much,
-- 
Bruce P. Toombs
Depts. of Humanities and Liberal Arts
Champlain Regional College
St. Lambert, Quebec

bruce at toombs.ca  ;  toombs at sympatico.ca
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Sep  4 06:25:41 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 04 Sep 2002 00:25:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0209032307430.36206-100000@pooh.ASARian.org>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0209032307430.36206-100000@pooh.ASARian.org>
Message-ID: <1031113541.1611.143.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 23:55, Fuzzy wrote:

> Would I need a genericstable entry for each
> outbound alias? 

yes.

> Would I need virtusertable entry
> for each inbound alias? 

yes

> How would I make apache
> recognise the virtual domains for mailman?

For most people this is the easiest part.  Most folks falter on the mail
side of things, but have the web-pages working just fine.

Setup the virtual domains in the /etc/httpd/httpd.conf file and once
that is setup, Modify the list to use the virtual domain as its domain. 
It's important that the virtual domain be setup first (before pointing
Mailman to use it) or you will not be able to use the admindb web-page
anymore (well you would have to replace the config.db with the backed-up
version for the list).

Good Luck Fuzzy!
> 
> http://www.qwillpen.com/mailman/[admin,listinfo]/listname
> 
> -- 
> Fuzzy                                                                _
> fuzzy @ asarian.org                         - ASCII ribbon campaign ( )
>                                          - against HTML, vCards and  X
>                                 - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \
> 





From Fergus.Donohue at dcu.ie  Wed Sep  4 10:33:27 2002
From: Fergus.Donohue at dcu.ie (Fergus Donohue)
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 09:33:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing DEFAULT_HOST_NAME after creating lists
References: <20020829081320.GV1757@jinny.ie>
Message-ID: <3D75C557.78156E4A@dcu.ie>

Sorry I got to this so late, but for future reference.

You should be able to do it with a script. Dump out the config of a 
sample list with a command something like the following:

config_list -o listname.cfg listname

edit listname.cfg and leave in only the line relating to localdomain,
changing it to the new name of course!

Then run something like the following:
cd ~mailman/lists
for list in `ls`
do
	~mailman/bin/config_list -i /tmp/newdomain.cfg $list
done

All untested and off the top of my head (of course), so I'd test it
first!

Fergus.

"John P. Looney" wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 01:08:09PM -0500, David F. Reed mentioned:
> > There is a place in the overall configuration (one of the .py scripts)
> > that you can change the entry of all of them...
> >
> > On a RedHat 7.3 system, it is /var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
> > On other systems, I would think a locate mailman|grep mm_cfg.py
> > would find it..
> >
> > Edit variable DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = <new host name>
> >
> >
> > Good luck; if you have a moent for it,
> > I am curious how you moved all the lists, archives, etc.
> 
>  The problem is that this variable is only accessed when the list is
> created - so for all new lists, the DEFAULT_HOST_NAME will be correct.
> 
>  In the end, I just went to the web page of all sixty lists, and changed
> them manually.
> 
> John
> 
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-- 
Fergus Donohue,
Systems Group,
Computer Services Dept.
Dublin City University



From hans-peter.zahno at unifr.ch  Wed Sep  4 10:40:32 2002
From: hans-peter.zahno at unifr.ch (Hans-Peter Zahno)
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 10:40:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] password reminder question 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 03 Sep 2002 16:38:48 PDT."
             <004901c253a3$0d5bf460$0b7a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.or.us> 
Message-ID: <E17mViD-0002pD-00@siufuxpc04.unifr.ch>

Hello Christopher Adams,

I noticed this behaviour also and posted already a message a few months 
ago on this list. For me it looks like a bug, but I didn't announced it
any further.
BTW, I'm using version 2.0.10.

Regards
Hans-Peter Zahno

> I have a question about password reminders. This system sends out montly
> password reminders. Below is the header and footer of a message to a user.
> Note that it comes from 'jog-admin' (another list we host) and is for a
> subscriber of the 'currdir' list. It appears that it sent the correct
> information to the right person, but why does it appear to be coming from
> 'jog-admin'?
> 
> Is this a feature or a bug in Mailman?
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jog-admin at webhost.osl.state.or.us
> > [mailto:jog-admin at webhost.osl.state.or.us]On Behalf Of
> > mailman-owner at webhost.osl.state.or.us
> > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 5:30 AM
> > To: penny_alby at parkrose.k12.or.us
> > Subject: webhost.osl.state.or.us mailing list memberships reminder
> 
> 
> > List                                     Password // URL
> > ----                                     --------
> > currdir at webhost.osl.state.or.us          bogus
> >
> 
> 
> Christopher Adams
> Automated Systems
> Oregon State Library
> 503-378-4243  x258
> chris.a.adams at state.or.us
> 
> 




From listen at czernay.com  Wed Sep  4 13:20:45 2002
From: listen at czernay.com (Alexander Czernay)
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 13:20:45 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install problems
Message-ID: <3D75EC8D.2020409@czernay.com>

Hi there!

I hope I picked the right list. I'm trying to install Mailman on my 
Linux server running SuSE 7.2. I followed the install docs up to "make 
install". That produces the following errors that I don't know how to fix.

Can anyone help me please?

Thanks a lot

Alexander

Creating architecture independent directories...
chmod o-r /home/mailman/archives/private
Creating architecture dependent directories...
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/bin'
for f in digest_arch mmsitepass newlist rmlist add_members list_members 
remove_members clone_member update arch sync_members check_db withlist 
check_perms find_member version move_list config_list list_lists dumpdb; 
\ do \
   /usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f /home/mailman/bin; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/bin'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/cron'
for f in checkdbs crontab.in mailpasswds senddigests gate_news 
nightly_gzip qrunner bumpdigests; \ do \
   /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/cron; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/cron'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/filters'
for f in bowa-strip; \
do \
   /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/filters; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/filters'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/misc' /usr/bin/install -c -m 
644 Cookie.py /home/mailman/Mailman /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 *.jpg 
*.png /home/mailman/icons for d in bin cron scripts; \ do \
   dir=/home/mailman/$d; \
   /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 paths.py $dir; \
done
/usr/bin/install -c -m 664 pending_subscriptions.db /home/mailman/data
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/misc'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/Mailman'
for f in *.py; \
do \
   /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/Mailman; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/Mailman'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/scripts'
for f in answer_majordomo_mail mailcmd mailowner post driver; \ do \
   /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/scripts; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/scripts'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/src'
for f in admin admindb edithtml options listinfo subscribe roster 
handle_opts private; \ do \
   exe=/home/mailman/cgi-bin/$f; \
   /usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f $exe; \
   chmod g+s $exe; \
done
for f in wrapper; \
do \
   /usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f /home/mailman/mail; \
   chmod g+s /home/mailman/mail/$f; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/src'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/templates'
for f in *.html *.txt; \
do \
   mv -f /home/mailman/templates/$f /home/mailman/templates/$f.prev || 
/bin/true; \
   /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/templates; \ done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/templates'







From barry at python.org  Wed Sep  4 13:22:05 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 07:22:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error
References: <20020903160007.17077.34273.Mailman@mail.python.org>
	<p04330105b99b0398b8d0@[192.164.0.2]>
	<15733.26023.670074.983705@anthem.wooz.org>
	<1031112982.1611.135.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <15733.60637.431862.569390@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "JC" == Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com> writes:

    JC> Then for a real shot in the dark, ask about the servers use of
    JC> NFS and if any of its volumes are mounted remotely. There is
    JC> nothing quite like trying to lock an application via an NFS
    JC> mounted drive!

Mailman's locking algorithm /ought/ to be NFS safe...

-Barry



From thomasdye56 at hotmail.com  Tue Sep  3 15:57:21 2002
From: thomasdye56 at hotmail.com (hotmail user)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:57:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hotmail and similar mail accounts
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209021611470.30167-100000@bsd.rockar.nu> <a05001902b998df14a4c9@[64.228.230.89]>
Message-ID: <OE366xzmeWgUSp3sJWG000025cc@hotmail.com>


Hotmail has filters that are set up by the user. Check HM FAQ:
http://lc3.law13.hotmail.passport.com/cgi-bin/dasp/ua_info.asp?_lang=EN&pg=faq&id=2&fs=1&cb=_lang%3dEN&ct=1031061040#q8 

Your subscribers need to read the FAQ about " This is not Junk Mail " 
and " Exclusive " ; as well as about adding your list address to their 
" safelist " . 

Alternatively, they could get a "real" email account. ;-) 

tom 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bruce P. Toombs 
  To: Mailman-Users at python.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 5:28 AM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] hotmail and similar mail accounts



  Hello, it appears that hotmail and similar free web-based email 
  treats my mailman lists as spam and shunts them directly into the 
  trash. Is there any way I can prevent this from happening?

  Thanks very much,

  Bruce Toombs
  -- 
  Bruce P. Toombs
  bruce at toombs.ca
  toombs at sympatico.ca

  "I am a pit bull on the pant leg of opportunity." -- George W. Bush

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From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Wed Sep  4 13:59:58 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 12:59:58 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error
In-Reply-To: <15733.60637.431862.569390@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <20020903160007.17077.34273.Mailman@mail.python.org>
 <p04330105b99b0398b8d0@[192.164.0.2]>
 <15733.26023.670074.983705@anthem.wooz.org>
 <1031112982.1611.135.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020904123420.04880c30@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 07:22 04/09/2002 -0400, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> >>>>> "JC" == Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com> writes:
>
>     JC> Then for a real shot in the dark, ask about the servers use of
>     JC> NFS and if any of its volumes are mounted remotely. There is
>     JC> nothing quite like trying to lock an application via an NFS
>     JC> mounted drive!
>
>Mailman's locking algorithm /ought/ to be NFS safe...
>
>-Barry

I concur that MM and NFS will mix OK.

I've been running our production MM (now at 2.0.13) with all MM related 
files, except those few installed in EXEC_PREFIX, in an NFS file system 
mounted from our Auspex file server. Why? Because our main file server has 
full disk mirroring etc and backup. It also lets me switch MM service 
provision to another backup machine in a few minutes with minimal manual 
intervention. Thus both Mailman and the Apache server on the MM server 
machine when handling MM data are doing so via NFS.

The only problem I've encountered with this use of NFS is a result of, I 
believe, deficiencies in the Linux NFS client on our MM server machine; I'm 
using Suse 7.3 on that machine but Redhat also exhibited the same problems. 
I found that NFS file accesses would hang on large data transfers to/from 
automounted NFS file systems; with Redhat 6.2 the system locked up 
completely requiring hard shutdown and reboot; Suse continued to run with 
the NFS transfer hung but the system could be rebooted normally. Explicit 
mount of the necessary file systems (from /etc/fstab at boot time) with 
read and write block size limited to 8096 seems to prevent the problem.




From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Wed Sep  4 14:17:12 2002
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 13:17:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation Problems
Message-ID: <006501c2540d$00135450$1c01a8c0@voda>

I've just installed mail man, followed the instructions, but I'm at a loss
as how to access the web interface! Please, could someone give me a hand!





From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Wed Sep  4 14:53:18 2002
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 13:53:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Functionalty
Message-ID: <006801c25412$0b790420$1c01a8c0@voda>

After managing to install mailman, I would like to implement the following.
I want someone to be able to send an email to an address in my domain, and
be automaticaly added to the mailing list. I'm only going to be running one
list. I also want bounce protection to be added, and I would like to be able
to download the list and save it or add address to it.

Is the above possible? Thanks in advance.




From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Sep  4 16:42:43 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 08:42:43 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install problems
References: <3D75EC8D.2020409@czernay.com>
Message-ID: <3D761BE3.A55E3102@pcraft.com>

Alexander Czernay wrote:

> Can anyone help me please?

    We could, if there was an actual error...  What you posted was the result of
the install command, which ran without problems.


--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
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  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.






From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Sep  4 16:44:03 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 08:44:03 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation Problems
References: <006501c2540d$00135450$1c01a8c0@voda>
Message-ID: <3D761C33.871B87F0@pcraft.com>

Angel Gabriel wrote:

> I've just installed mail man, followed the instructions, but I'm at a loss
> as how to access the web interface! Please, could someone give me a hand!

    The installation documentation tells you what you need to do for your
webserver to work properly.  Once you have that done, and you've restarted your
webserver, you should be able to go to
http://your.web.server.com/mailman/listinfo (or /admin) and access your lists.


--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
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  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.






From listen at czernay.com  Wed Sep  4 16:45:24 2002
From: listen at czernay.com (Alexander Czernay)
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 16:45:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install problems
References: <3D75EC8D.2020409@czernay.com> <3D761BE3.A55E3102@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <3D761C84.2080408@czernay.com>

My mistake. I cut the rest.

Here we go again....

Creating architecture independent directories...
chmod o-r /home/mailman/archives/private
Creating architecture dependent directories...
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/bin'
for f in digest_arch mmsitepass newlist rmlist add_members list_members 
remove_members clone_member update arch sync_members check_db withlist 
check_perms find_member version move_list config_list list_lists dumpdb; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f /home/mailman/bin; \
done
/usr/bin/install: `digest_arch' and `/home/mailman/bin/digest_arch' are 
the same file
/usr/bin/install: `mmsitepass' and `/home/mailman/bin/mmsitepass' are 
the same file
/usr/bin/install: `newlist' and `/home/mailman/bin/newlist' are the same 
file
/usr/bin/install: `rmlist' and `/home/mailman/bin/rmlist' are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `add_members' and `/home/mailman/bin/add_members' are 
the same file
/usr/bin/install: `list_members' and `/home/mailman/bin/list_members' 
are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `remove_members' and 
`/home/mailman/bin/remove_members' are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `clone_member' and `/home/mailman/bin/clone_member' 
are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `update' and `/home/mailman/bin/update' are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `arch' and `/home/mailman/bin/arch' are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `sync_members' and `/home/mailman/bin/sync_members' 
are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `check_db' and `/home/mailman/bin/check_db' are the 
same file
/usr/bin/install: `withlist' and `/home/mailman/bin/withlist' are the 
same file
/usr/bin/install: `check_perms' and `/home/mailman/bin/check_perms' are 
the same file
/usr/bin/install: `find_member' and `/home/mailman/bin/find_member' are 
the same file
/usr/bin/install: `version' and `/home/mailman/bin/version' are the same 
file
/usr/bin/install: `move_list' and `/home/mailman/bin/move_list' are the 
same file
/usr/bin/install: `config_list' and `/home/mailman/bin/config_list' are 
the same file
/usr/bin/install: `list_lists' and `/home/mailman/bin/list_lists' are 
the same file
/usr/bin/install: `dumpdb' and `/home/mailman/bin/dumpdb' are the same file
make[1]: *** [install] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/bin'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/cron'
for f in checkdbs crontab.in mailpasswds senddigests gate_news 
nightly_gzip qrunner bumpdigests; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/cron; \
done
/usr/bin/install: `checkdbs' and `/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs' are the 
same file
/usr/bin/install: `crontab.in' and `/home/mailman/cron/crontab.in' are 
the same file
/usr/bin/install: `mailpasswds' and `/home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds' are 
the same file
/usr/bin/install: `senddigests' and `/home/mailman/cron/senddigests' are 
the same file
/usr/bin/install: `gate_news' and `/home/mailman/cron/gate_news' are the 
same file
/usr/bin/install: `nightly_gzip' and `/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip' 
are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `qrunner' and `/home/mailman/cron/qrunner' are the 
same file
/usr/bin/install: `bumpdigests' and `/home/mailman/cron/bumpdigests' are 
the same file
make[1]: *** [install] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/cron'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/filters'
for f in bowa-strip; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/filters; \
done
/usr/bin/install: `bowa-strip' and `/home/mailman/filters/bowa-strip' 
are the same file
make[1]: *** [install] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/filters'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/misc'
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 Cookie.py /home/mailman/Mailman
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 *.jpg *.png /home/mailman/icons
for d in bin cron scripts; \
do \
    dir=/home/mailman/$d; \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 paths.py $dir; \
done
/usr/bin/install -c -m 664 pending_subscriptions.db /home/mailman/data
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/misc'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/Mailman'
for f in *.py; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/Mailman; \
done
/usr/bin/install: `Autoresponder.py' and 
`/home/mailman/Mailman/Autoresponder.py' are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `Bouncer.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py' 
are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `Cookie.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py' are 
the same file
/usr/bin/install: `Crypt.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Crypt.py' are 
the same file
/usr/bin/install: `Defaults.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py' 
are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `Deliverer.py' and 
`/home/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py' are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `Digester.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py' 
are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `EncWord.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/EncWord.py' 
are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `Errors.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Errors.py' are 
the same file
/usr/bin/install: `GatewayManager.py' and 
`/home/mailman/Mailman/GatewayManager.py' are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `HTMLFormatter.py' and 
`/home/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py' are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `ListAdmin.py' and 
`/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py' are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `LockFile.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py' 
are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `MailCommandHandler.py' and 
`/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py' are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `MailList.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py' 
are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `Mailbox.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py' 
are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `Message.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py' 
are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `Pending.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py' 
are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `SecurityManager.py' and 
`/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py' are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `Utils.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py' are 
the same file
/usr/bin/install: `Version.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Version.py' 
are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `__init__.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/__init__.py' 
are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `aliases.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/aliases.py' 
are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `htmlformat.py' and 
`/home/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py' are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `versions.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py' 
are the same file
make[1]: *** [install-here] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/Mailman'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/scripts'
for f in answer_majordomo_mail mailcmd mailowner post driver; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/scripts; \
done
/usr/bin/install: `answer_majordomo_mail' and 
`/home/mailman/scripts/answer_majordomo_mail' are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `mailcmd' and `/home/mailman/scripts/mailcmd' are the 
same file
/usr/bin/install: `mailowner' and `/home/mailman/scripts/mailowner' are 
the same file
/usr/bin/install: `post' and `/home/mailman/scripts/post' are the same file
/usr/bin/install: `driver' and `/home/mailman/scripts/driver' are the 
same file
make[1]: *** [install] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/scripts'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/src'
for f in admin admindb edithtml options listinfo subscribe roster 
handle_opts private; \
do \
    exe=/home/mailman/cgi-bin/$f; \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f $exe; \
    chmod g+s $exe; \
done
for f in wrapper; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f /home/mailman/mail; \
    chmod g+s /home/mailman/mail/$f; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/src'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/templates'
for f in *.html *.txt; \
do \
    mv -f /home/mailman/templates/$f /home/mailman/templates/$f.prev || 
/bin/true; \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/templates; \
done
mv: Beim Verschieben mehrerer Dateien mu? das letzte Argument ein 
Verzeichnis sein
Versuchen Sie ?mv --help? f?r weitere Informationen.
/usr/bin/install: cannot stat `*.html': Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht 
gefunden
mv: Beim Verschieben mehrerer Dateien mu? das letzte Argument ein 
Verzeichnis sein
Versuchen Sie ?mv --help? f?r weitere Informationen.
/usr/bin/install: cannot stat `*.txt': Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
make[1]: *** [install] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/templates'
make: *** [doinstall] Error 2


Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

>Alexander Czernay wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Can anyone help me please?
>>    
>>
>
>    We could, if there was an actual error...  What you posted was the result of
>the install command, which ran without problems.
>
>
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>  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
>  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
>  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.
>
>
>
>
>  
>






From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Sep  4 17:01:02 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 09:01:02 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install problems
References: <3D75EC8D.2020409@czernay.com> <3D761BE3.A55E3102@pcraft.com> <3D761C84.2080408@czernay.com>
Message-ID: <3D76202E.69D34EBE@pcraft.com>

Alexander Czernay wrote:

> /usr/bin/install: `digest_arch' and `/home/mailman/bin/digest_arch' are
> the same file

    This tells me you've already installed it once, and are now doing it for the n-th
time.  Consequently, your system complains about the files being the same.  Ignore.


> mv: Beim Verschieben mehrerer Dateien mu? das letzte Argument ein
> Verzeichnis sein
> Versuchen Sie ?mv --help? f?r weitere Informationen.
> /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `*.html': Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht
> gefunden
> mv: Beim Verschieben mehrerer Dateien mu? das letzte Argument ein
> Verzeichnis sein
> Versuchen Sie ?mv --help? f?r weitere Informationen.
> /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `*.txt': Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden

    Unfortunately for you, of all the languages I know, this isn't one of them.
However, reading the little bit of English in there, I suspect you have a faulted
source.  Or you're not installing from the correct location.  It can't find (stat)
any .html nor .txt files.

    AMK4

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  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.






From listen at czernay.com  Wed Sep  4 17:07:51 2002
From: listen at czernay.com (Alexander Czernay)
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 17:07:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install problems
References: <3D75EC8D.2020409@czernay.com> <3D761BE3.A55E3102@pcraft.com> <3D761C84.2080408@czernay.com> <3D76202E.69D34EBE@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <3D7621C7.1030103@czernay.com>

This is kind of strange, as I just downloaded it yesterday from Sourceforge.

It seems to me, like it can't move some files and thus doesn't find them 
afterwards. Is it possible that the SuSE guys altered the mv command or 
that something else is going wrong here?

Translation of the last few lines:

make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/templates'
for f in *.html *.txt; \
do \
  mv -f /home/mailman/templates/$f /home/mailman/templates/$f.prev || 
/bin/true; \
  /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/templates; \
done
mv: When moving several files, the last argument must be a directory
/usr/bin/install: cannot stat `*.html': File or directory not found
mv: When moving several files, the last argument must be a directory
/usr/bin/install: cannot stat `*.txt': File or directory not found
make[1]: *** [install] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/templates'
make: *** [doinstall] Error 2


Thanks for your support.

Alexander






From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Sep  4 17:10:32 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 09:10:32 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install problems
References: <3D75EC8D.2020409@czernay.com> <3D761BE3.A55E3102@pcraft.com> <3D761C84.2080408@czernay.com> <3D76202E.69D34EBE@pcraft.com> <3D7621C7.1030103@czernay.com>
Message-ID: <3D762268.B692BEAD@pcraft.com>

Alexander Czernay wrote:

> It seems to me, like it can't move some files and thus doesn't find them
> afterwards. Is it possible that the SuSE guys altered the mv command or
> that something else is going wrong here?

    Actually, it's just trying to move what's already in /home/mailman/templates
to $file.prev (denoting a previous install), and it's not finding any files
there - this can also be ignored.


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  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.






From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Wed Sep  4 17:41:37 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 16:41:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install problems
In-Reply-To: <3D761C84.2080408@czernay.com>
References: <3D75EC8D.2020409@czernay.com>
 <3D761BE3.A55E3102@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020904162110.04883c28@pop.ftel.co.uk>

I may be wrong but I have a suspicion that you have arranged things so that 
your mailman build and install directories are one and the same.

In a short experiment I could obtain similar results to those your report 
by doing that.

You are, in effect, trying to install from the build directory into the 
build directory.

The lines that read as follows below:

<quote>
/usr/bin/install: `digest_arch' and `/home/mailman/bin/digest_arch' are the 
same file
</quote>

are the results  of trying to mv a file to itself which would occur if you 
have done as I suggest.

Similarly the lines that read:

<quote>
mv: Beim Verschieben mehrerer Dateien mu? das letzte Argument ein 
Verzeichnis sein
Versuchen Sie ?mv --help? f?r weitere Informationen.
/usr/bin/install: cannot stat `*.html': Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
</quote>

may arise in the scenario I suggest because the files that mv is trying to 
operate on have already been renamed with .prev suffix added.

Have all the .html and .txt files in your $build/templates directory been 
rename to .html.prev and .txt.prev?

But I could be completely wrong about what your problem is.


At 16:45 04/09/2002 +0200, Alexander Czernay wrote:
>My mistake. I cut the rest.
>
>Here we go again....
>
>Creating architecture independent directories...
>chmod o-r /home/mailman/archives/private
>Creating architecture dependent directories...
>make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/bin'
>for f in digest_arch mmsitepass newlist rmlist add_members list_members 
>remove_members clone_member update arch sync_members check_db withlist 
>check_perms find_member version move_list config_list list_lists dumpdb; \
>do \
>    /usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f /home/mailman/bin; \
>done
>/usr/bin/install: `digest_arch' and `/home/mailman/bin/digest_arch' are 
>the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `mmsitepass' and `/home/mailman/bin/mmsitepass' are the 
>same file
>/usr/bin/install: `newlist' and `/home/mailman/bin/newlist' are the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `rmlist' and `/home/mailman/bin/rmlist' are the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `add_members' and `/home/mailman/bin/add_members' are 
>the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `list_members' and `/home/mailman/bin/list_members' are 
>the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `remove_members' and `/home/mailman/bin/remove_members' 
>are the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `clone_member' and `/home/mailman/bin/clone_member' are 
>the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `update' and `/home/mailman/bin/update' are the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `arch' and `/home/mailman/bin/arch' are the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `sync_members' and `/home/mailman/bin/sync_members' are 
>the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `check_db' and `/home/mailman/bin/check_db' are the same 
>file
>/usr/bin/install: `withlist' and `/home/mailman/bin/withlist' are the same 
>file
>/usr/bin/install: `check_perms' and `/home/mailman/bin/check_perms' are 
>the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `find_member' and `/home/mailman/bin/find_member' are 
>the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `version' and `/home/mailman/bin/version' are the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `move_list' and `/home/mailman/bin/move_list' are the 
>same file
>/usr/bin/install: `config_list' and `/home/mailman/bin/config_list' are 
>the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `list_lists' and `/home/mailman/bin/list_lists' are the 
>same file
>/usr/bin/install: `dumpdb' and `/home/mailman/bin/dumpdb' are the same file
>make[1]: *** [install] Error 1
>make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/bin'
>make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/cron'
>for f in checkdbs crontab.in mailpasswds senddigests gate_news 
>nightly_gzip qrunner bumpdigests; \
>do \
>    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/cron; \
>done
>/usr/bin/install: `checkdbs' and `/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs' are the 
>same file
>/usr/bin/install: `crontab.in' and `/home/mailman/cron/crontab.in' are the 
>same file
>/usr/bin/install: `mailpasswds' and `/home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds' are 
>the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `senddigests' and `/home/mailman/cron/senddigests' are 
>the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `gate_news' and `/home/mailman/cron/gate_news' are the 
>same file
>/usr/bin/install: `nightly_gzip' and `/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip' are 
>the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `qrunner' and `/home/mailman/cron/qrunner' are the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `bumpdigests' and `/home/mailman/cron/bumpdigests' are 
>the same file
>make[1]: *** [install] Error 1
>make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/cron'
>make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/filters'
>for f in bowa-strip; \
>do \
>    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/filters; \
>done
>/usr/bin/install: `bowa-strip' and `/home/mailman/filters/bowa-strip' are 
>the same file
>make[1]: *** [install] Error 1
>make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/filters'
>make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/misc'
>/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 Cookie.py /home/mailman/Mailman
>/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 *.jpg *.png /home/mailman/icons
>for d in bin cron scripts; \
>do \
>    dir=/home/mailman/$d; \
>    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 paths.py $dir; \
>done
>/usr/bin/install -c -m 664 pending_subscriptions.db /home/mailman/data
>make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/misc'
>make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/Mailman'
>for f in *.py; \
>do \
>    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/Mailman; \
>done
>/usr/bin/install: `Autoresponder.py' and 
>`/home/mailman/Mailman/Autoresponder.py' are the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `Bouncer.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py' are 
>the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `Cookie.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py' are 
>the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `Crypt.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Crypt.py' are the 
>same file
>/usr/bin/install: `Defaults.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py' 
>are the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `Deliverer.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py' 
>are the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `Digester.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py' 
>are the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `EncWord.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/EncWord.py' are 
>the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `Errors.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Errors.py' are 
>the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `GatewayManager.py' and 
>`/home/mailman/Mailman/GatewayManager.py' are the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `HTMLFormatter.py' and 
>`/home/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py' are the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `ListAdmin.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py' 
>are the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `LockFile.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py' 
>are the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `MailCommandHandler.py' and 
>`/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py' are the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `MailList.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py' 
>are the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `Mailbox.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py' are 
>the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `Message.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py' are 
>the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `Pending.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py' are 
>the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `SecurityManager.py' and 
>`/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py' are the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `Utils.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py' are the 
>same file
>/usr/bin/install: `Version.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Version.py' are 
>the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `__init__.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/__init__.py' 
>are the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `aliases.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/aliases.py' are 
>the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `htmlformat.py' and 
>`/home/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py' are the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `versions.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py' 
>are the same file
>make[1]: *** [install-here] Error 1
>make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/Mailman'
>make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/scripts'
>for f in answer_majordomo_mail mailcmd mailowner post driver; \
>do \
>    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/scripts; \
>done
>/usr/bin/install: `answer_majordomo_mail' and 
>`/home/mailman/scripts/answer_majordomo_mail' are the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `mailcmd' and `/home/mailman/scripts/mailcmd' are the 
>same file
>/usr/bin/install: `mailowner' and `/home/mailman/scripts/mailowner' are 
>the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `post' and `/home/mailman/scripts/post' are the same file
>/usr/bin/install: `driver' and `/home/mailman/scripts/driver' are the same 
>file
>make[1]: *** [install] Error 1
>make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/scripts'
>make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/src'
>for f in admin admindb edithtml options listinfo subscribe roster 
>handle_opts private; \
>do \
>    exe=/home/mailman/cgi-bin/$f; \
>    /usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f $exe; \
>    chmod g+s $exe; \
>done
>for f in wrapper; \
>do \
>    /usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f /home/mailman/mail; \
>    chmod g+s /home/mailman/mail/$f; \
>done
>make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/src'
>make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/templates'
>for f in *.html *.txt; \
>do \
>    mv -f /home/mailman/templates/$f /home/mailman/templates/$f.prev || 
> /bin/true; \
>    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/templates; \
>done
>mv: Beim Verschieben mehrerer Dateien mu? das letzte Argument ein 
>Verzeichnis sein
>Versuchen Sie ?mv --help? f?r weitere Informationen.
>/usr/bin/install: cannot stat `*.html': Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
>mv: Beim Verschieben mehrerer Dateien mu? das letzte Argument ein 
>Verzeichnis sein
>Versuchen Sie ?mv --help? f?r weitere Informationen.
>/usr/bin/install: cannot stat `*.txt': Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
>make[1]: *** [install] Error 1
>make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/templates'
>make: *** [doinstall] Error 2
>
>
>Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
>
>>Alexander Czernay wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Can anyone help me please?
>>>
>>
>>    We could, if there was an actual error...  What you posted was the 
>> result of
>>the install command, which ran without problems.
>>
>>
>>--




From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Wed Sep  4 17:37:38 2002
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:37:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] password reminder question
References: Your message of "Tue, 03 Sep 2002 16:38:48 PDT."             <004901c253a3$0d5bf460$0b7a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.or.us> <E17mViD-0002pD-00@siufuxpc04.unifr.ch>
Message-ID: <008501c25428$ffb87960$0b7a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.or.us>

This is interesting. In the header it appears that the password reminder was
sent out by " 'jog-admin' .... on behalf of mailman-owner..."

Looking through my logs, I find that the monthly reminder to all (9000+
users) was sent from 'jog-admin'. It appears that the correct information
was sent to all users, but some confusion developed when they saw the
address that sent it.

So, can anyone verify that this is a true bug in Mailman 2.0.10? Does it
pick a list at random to use to send the reminder "on behalf of
mailman-owner"?


Christopher Adams
Automated Systems
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243  x258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans-Peter Zahno" <hans-peter.zahno at unifr.ch>
To: "Christopher Adams" <Chris.A.Adams at state.or.us>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] password reminder question


> Hello Christopher Adams,
>
> I noticed this behaviour also and posted already a message a few months
> ago on this list. For me it looks like a bug, but I didn't announced it
> any further.
> BTW, I'm using version 2.0.10.
>
> Regards
> Hans-Peter Zahno
>
> > I have a question about password reminders. This system sends out montly
> > password reminders. Below is the header and footer of a message to a
user.
> > Note that it comes from 'jog-admin' (another list we host) and is for a
> > subscriber of the 'currdir' list. It appears that it sent the correct
> > information to the right person, but why does it appear to be coming
from
> > 'jog-admin'?
> >
> > Is this a feature or a bug in Mailman?
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jog-admin at webhost.osl.state.or.us
> > > [mailto:jog-admin at webhost.osl.state.or.us]On Behalf Of
> > > mailman-owner at webhost.osl.state.or.us
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 5:30 AM
> > > To: penny_alby at parkrose.k12.or.us
> > > Subject: webhost.osl.state.or.us mailing list memberships reminder
> >
> >
> > > List                                     Password // URL
> > > ----                                     --------
> > > currdir at webhost.osl.state.or.us          bogus
> > >
> >
> >
> > Christopher Adams
> > Automated Systems
> > Oregon State Library
> > 503-378-4243  x258
> > chris.a.adams at state.or.us
> >
> >
>
>




From listen at czernay.com  Wed Sep  4 18:19:17 2002
From: listen at czernay.com (Alexander Czernay)
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:19:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install problems
References: <3D75EC8D.2020409@czernay.com> <3D761BE3.A55E3102@pcraft.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020904162110.04883c28@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3D763285.3070304@czernay.com>

You're absolutly right. I've moved all the sources to 
/usr/local/src/mailman and it worked perfectly well. That could have 
come to my mind earlier.... :(

Thanks for your support.

Alexander


Richard Barrett wrote:

> I may be wrong but I have a suspicion that you have arranged things so 
> that your mailman build and install directories are one and the same.
>
> In a short experiment I could obtain similar results to those your 
> report by doing that.
>
> You are, in effect, trying to install from the build directory into 
> the build directory.
>
> The lines that read as follows below:
>
> <quote>
> /usr/bin/install: `digest_arch' and `/home/mailman/bin/digest_arch' 
> are the same file
> </quote>
>
> are the results  of trying to mv a file to itself which would occur if 
> you have done as I suggest.
>
> Similarly the lines that read:
>
> <quote>
> mv: Beim Verschieben mehrerer Dateien mu? das letzte Argument ein 
> Verzeichnis sein
> Versuchen Sie ?mv --help? f?r weitere Informationen.
> /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `*.html': Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht 
> gefunden
> </quote>
>
> may arise in the scenario I suggest because the files that mv is 
> trying to operate on have already been renamed with .prev suffix added.
>
> Have all the .html and .txt files in your $build/templates directory 
> been rename to .html.prev and .txt.prev?
>
> But I could be completely wrong about what your problem is.
>
>
> At 16:45 04/09/2002 +0200, Alexander Czernay wrote:
>
>> My mistake. I cut the rest.
>>
>> Here we go again....
>>
>> Creating architecture independent directories...
>> chmod o-r /home/mailman/archives/private
>> Creating architecture dependent directories...
>> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/bin'
>> for f in digest_arch mmsitepass newlist rmlist add_members 
>> list_members remove_members clone_member update arch sync_members 
>> check_db withlist check_perms find_member version move_list 
>> config_list list_lists dumpdb; \
>> do \
>>    /usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f /home/mailman/bin; \
>> done
>> /usr/bin/install: `digest_arch' and `/home/mailman/bin/digest_arch' 
>> are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `mmsitepass' and `/home/mailman/bin/mmsitepass' are 
>> the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `newlist' and `/home/mailman/bin/newlist' are the 
>> same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `rmlist' and `/home/mailman/bin/rmlist' are the 
>> same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `add_members' and `/home/mailman/bin/add_members' 
>> are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `list_members' and `/home/mailman/bin/list_members' 
>> are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `remove_members' and 
>> `/home/mailman/bin/remove_members' are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `clone_member' and `/home/mailman/bin/clone_member' 
>> are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `update' and `/home/mailman/bin/update' are the 
>> same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `arch' and `/home/mailman/bin/arch' are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `sync_members' and `/home/mailman/bin/sync_members' 
>> are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `check_db' and `/home/mailman/bin/check_db' are the 
>> same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `withlist' and `/home/mailman/bin/withlist' are the 
>> same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `check_perms' and `/home/mailman/bin/check_perms' 
>> are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `find_member' and `/home/mailman/bin/find_member' 
>> are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `version' and `/home/mailman/bin/version' are the 
>> same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `move_list' and `/home/mailman/bin/move_list' are 
>> the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `config_list' and `/home/mailman/bin/config_list' 
>> are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `list_lists' and `/home/mailman/bin/list_lists' are 
>> the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `dumpdb' and `/home/mailman/bin/dumpdb' are the 
>> same file
>> make[1]: *** [install] Error 1
>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/bin'
>> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/cron'
>> for f in checkdbs crontab.in mailpasswds senddigests gate_news 
>> nightly_gzip qrunner bumpdigests; \
>> do \
>>    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/cron; \
>> done
>> /usr/bin/install: `checkdbs' and `/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs' are 
>> the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `crontab.in' and `/home/mailman/cron/crontab.in' 
>> are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `mailpasswds' and `/home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds' 
>> are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `senddigests' and `/home/mailman/cron/senddigests' 
>> are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `gate_news' and `/home/mailman/cron/gate_news' are 
>> the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `nightly_gzip' and 
>> `/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip' are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `qrunner' and `/home/mailman/cron/qrunner' are the 
>> same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `bumpdigests' and `/home/mailman/cron/bumpdigests' 
>> are the same file
>> make[1]: *** [install] Error 1
>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/cron'
>> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/filters'
>> for f in bowa-strip; \
>> do \
>>    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/filters; \
>> done
>> /usr/bin/install: `bowa-strip' and `/home/mailman/filters/bowa-strip' 
>> are the same file
>> make[1]: *** [install] Error 1
>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/filters'
>> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/misc'
>> /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 Cookie.py /home/mailman/Mailman
>> /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 *.jpg *.png /home/mailman/icons
>> for d in bin cron scripts; \
>> do \
>>    dir=/home/mailman/$d; \
>>    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 paths.py $dir; \
>> done
>> /usr/bin/install -c -m 664 pending_subscriptions.db /home/mailman/data
>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/misc'
>> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/Mailman'
>> for f in *.py; \
>> do \
>>    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/Mailman; \
>> done
>> /usr/bin/install: `Autoresponder.py' and 
>> `/home/mailman/Mailman/Autoresponder.py' are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `Bouncer.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py' 
>> are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `Cookie.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py' 
>> are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `Crypt.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Crypt.py' are 
>> the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `Defaults.py' and 
>> `/home/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py' are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `Deliverer.py' and 
>> `/home/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py' are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `Digester.py' and 
>> `/home/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py' are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `EncWord.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/EncWord.py' 
>> are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `Errors.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Errors.py' 
>> are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `GatewayManager.py' and 
>> `/home/mailman/Mailman/GatewayManager.py' are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `HTMLFormatter.py' and 
>> `/home/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py' are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `ListAdmin.py' and 
>> `/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py' are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `LockFile.py' and 
>> `/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py' are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `MailCommandHandler.py' and 
>> `/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py' are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `MailList.py' and 
>> `/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py' are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `Mailbox.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py' 
>> are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `Message.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py' 
>> are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `Pending.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py' 
>> are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `SecurityManager.py' and 
>> `/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py' are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `Utils.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py' are 
>> the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `Version.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/Version.py' 
>> are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `__init__.py' and 
>> `/home/mailman/Mailman/__init__.py' are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `aliases.py' and `/home/mailman/Mailman/aliases.py' 
>> are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `htmlformat.py' and 
>> `/home/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py' are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `versions.py' and 
>> `/home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py' are the same file
>> make[1]: *** [install-here] Error 1
>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/Mailman'
>> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/scripts'
>> for f in answer_majordomo_mail mailcmd mailowner post driver; \
>> do \
>>    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/scripts; \
>> done
>> /usr/bin/install: `answer_majordomo_mail' and 
>> `/home/mailman/scripts/answer_majordomo_mail' are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `mailcmd' and `/home/mailman/scripts/mailcmd' are 
>> the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `mailowner' and `/home/mailman/scripts/mailowner' 
>> are the same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `post' and `/home/mailman/scripts/post' are the 
>> same file
>> /usr/bin/install: `driver' and `/home/mailman/scripts/driver' are the 
>> same file
>> make[1]: *** [install] Error 1
>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/scripts'
>> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/src'
>> for f in admin admindb edithtml options listinfo subscribe roster 
>> handle_opts private; \
>> do \
>>    exe=/home/mailman/cgi-bin/$f; \
>>    /usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f $exe; \
>>    chmod g+s $exe; \
>> done
>> for f in wrapper; \
>> do \
>>    /usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f /home/mailman/mail; \
>>    chmod g+s /home/mailman/mail/$f; \
>> done
>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/src'
>> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/templates'
>> for f in *.html *.txt; \
>> do \
>>    mv -f /home/mailman/templates/$f /home/mailman/templates/$f.prev 
>> || /bin/true; \
>>    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/templates; \
>> done
>> mv: Beim Verschieben mehrerer Dateien mu? das letzte Argument ein 
>> Verzeichnis sein
>> Versuchen Sie ?mv --help? f?r weitere Informationen.
>> /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `*.html': Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht 
>> gefunden
>> mv: Beim Verschieben mehrerer Dateien mu? das letzte Argument ein 
>> Verzeichnis sein
>> Versuchen Sie ?mv --help? f?r weitere Informationen.
>> /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `*.txt': Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht 
>> gefunden
>> make[1]: *** [install] Error 1
>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/templates'
>> make: *** [doinstall] Error 2
>>
>>
>> Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
>>
>>> Alexander Czernay wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Can anyone help me please?
>>>>
>>>
>>>    We could, if there was an actual error...  What you posted was 
>>> the result of
>>> the install command, which ran without problems.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>
>
>






From jdesalle at primacentral.org  Wed Sep  4 19:18:01 2002
From: jdesalle at primacentral.org (jdesalle)
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 11:18:01 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delivery Error going to the entire list
Message-ID: <3D764049.3050404@primacentral.org>

Mailman-2.1b3 running on RH 7.2

I have "DELIVERY ERROR:" and " MAILER-DEAMON" messages going to the 
entire list.

I assume there is a way to only send these to the mailowner. The bounces 
are easy to fix but the  the Error messages shouldn't go to the list.
The other problem is The clients that have an out of the office message. 
These are looping to the list also and is driving the kind "BRUTAL" list 
users nut's.
I must be missing this in the FAQ's or docs. Any help or direction to 
info I am missing would
be much appreciated.

JDesalle




From jdesalle at primacentral.org  Wed Sep  4 19:32:25 2002
From: jdesalle at primacentral.org (jdesalle)
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 11:32:25 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error messages going to entire list
Message-ID: <3D7643A9.5070500@primacentral.org>

Mailman-2.1b3 running on RH 7.2

I have "DELIVERY ERROR:" and " MAILER-DEAMON" messages going to the 
entire list.

I assume there is a way to only send these to the mailowner. The bounces 
are easy to fix but the  the Error messages shouldn't go to the list.
The other problem is The clients that have an out of the office message. 
These are looping to the list also and is driving the kind "BRUTAL" list 
users nut's.
I must be missing this in the FAQ's or docs. Any help or direction to 
info I am missing would
be much appreciated.

JDesalle




From sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx  Wed Sep  4 20:03:28 2002
From: sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Sammons?=)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 13:03:28 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0.13
Message-ID: <20020904180328.19949.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com>

  Hi there!!!

   I?m trying to install MM2.0.9, but when I run:
./configure --with-python=/path/to/python 

   I received the next message: 
Checking for mailman UID...Tracebak(most recent call
last):
   File "conftest.py", line 1, in ?
      import pwd, string
   ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/python/bin/python:
fatal:  libgcc_s.so.1: open failed: No such file or
directory
   cat: cannot open conftest.out

   configure: error:
*** No "mailman" user found!
*** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined
*** (usually in your /etc/passwd file). Please see the
INSTALL
*** file for details 


   I?ve create the user mailman and group....

   I?m using solaris 7 and python 2.1

   Any ideas????

   Thanks!!!!


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From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Wed Sep  4 21:18:54 2002
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 15:18:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Foolish Newbie Question - Python v. Python2
References: <20020904180328.19949.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3D765C9E.ED8B6AB@mitre.org>

Hello,

I have looked at the Install document, gone to the Mailman FAQ, and generally tried to figure this out.  But so far, without luck.  And yet it seems likely to be an obvious answer that eludes me.

I am currently running Red Hat 7.2 and 7.3 machines, and each has both "python" and "python2" installed.  Both are in /usr/bin.  The Mailman docs indicate that Python 2.1.3 or 2.2.1 are preferred.  I have 2.2.1 or newer, but only if 'python2' is run.  

Before I get myself in trouble, should I use the 

--with-python=</path/to/python>

option to customize the installation, and have it say "=/usr/bin/python2"?  Or what?  I don't know why Red Hat has both on there, but there might be a good reason to have both.

All advice welcome.

Thanks.

-- 
John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own




From techguru at multibyte.de  Wed Sep  4 21:34:40 2002
From: techguru at multibyte.de (Dirk H. Schulz)
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 21:34:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] test
Message-ID: <2613456.1031175280@[192.168.215.120]>

test test test



From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Sep  4 21:28:20 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 13:28:20 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Foolish Newbie Question - Python v. Python2
References: <20020904180328.19949.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> <3D765C9E.ED8B6AB@mitre.org>
Message-ID: <3D765ED4.18DFE947@pcraft.com>

John DeCarlo wrote:

> --with-python=</path/to/python>
>
> option to customize the installation, and have it say "=/usr/bin/python2"?  Or what?

    I don't see why this wouldn't work.


> I don't know why Red Hat has both on there, but there might be a good reason to have both.

    This is why (based on one of my systems):

    # rpm -e --test python
      python is needed by PyXML-0.7-4
      python is needed by 4Suite-0.11.1-8
      python is needed by python-clap-1.0.0-3
      python = 1.5.2-38 is needed by python-devel-1.5.2-38
      python is needed by Distutils-1.0.2-2
      python is needed by python-popt-0.8.8-7.x.2
      /usr/bin/python   is needed by PyXML-0.7-4
      /usr/bin/python   is needed by 4Suite-0.11.1-8
      /usr/bin/python   is needed by gettext-0.11.1-2

    Whereas:

    # rpm -e --test python2
      ...yields zip, nothing, nada.

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From mpike at nnmcmed.ihs.gov  Wed Sep  4 23:03:16 2002
From: mpike at nnmcmed.ihs.gov (Michael Pike)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:03:16 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on RH73 - not sending mail
Message-ID: <200209042103.g84L3GW24450@nnmcmed.ihs.gov>

I've went around and around with this thing for hours... I am at my 
last desperate hope - the mailing list.

I am on RH73...

I have the web front ends working, and can even subscribe and get 
messages.... but when I reply to the "welcome/confirmation" message, 
mailman does not respond....

I've checked the aliases file, I've rebuilt them with newaliases...

I look at the /var/log/maillog, and it looks fine... I even screwed 
with GID for mail... no luck...

so I fudged some data into WRAPPER... and WRAPPER makes an entry into 
maillog when it doesn't work.... 

Anyhow, I am stumped... here is all the info, any help is GREATLY 
appreciated!!!!

My aliases file:

## eseries mailing list
## created: 04-Sep-2002 mailman
eseries:                 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post eseries"
eseries-admin:           "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner 
eseries"
eseries-request:         "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd eseries"
eseries-owner:           eseries-admin


==========================

My maillog - showing proof email is coming in, and routing to the 
wrapper script (which also has a sym link in /etc/srsh):

Sep  4 13:47:24 nnmcmed sendmail[23515]: g84JlOn23514: 
to="|/home/mailman/mail/w
rapper mailcmd eseries" , ctladdr=<eseries-request at nnmcmed.ihs.gov> 
(8/0), delay
=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=31034, dsn=2.0.0, 
stat=Sent

=========

any ideas?

THANKS!
mike


-- 
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Northern Navajo Medical Center
Information Techonology Development
505-368-6062
The NNMC E-Series - Perfecting Healthcare Information Technology
http://eseries.ihs.gov




From mpike at nnmcmed.ihs.gov  Wed Sep  4 23:13:21 2002
From: mpike at nnmcmed.ihs.gov (Michael Pike)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:13:21 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailCommandHandler.py errors
Message-ID: <200209042113.g84LDLG24522@nnmcmed.ihs.gov>

I checked the LOG area in the mailman DIR, and find this a couple of 
hundred times, which is probably what is wrong... any ideas?:

Sep 04 15:10:00 2002 qrunner(24498): Traceback (innermost last):
Sep 04 15:10:00 2002 qrunner(24498):   
File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 2
83, in ?
Sep 04 15:10:00 2002 qrunner(24498):      kids = main(lock)
Sep 04 15:10:00 2002 qrunner(24498):   
File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 2
53, in main
Sep 04 15:10:00 2002 qrunner(24498):      keepqueued = dispose_message
(mlist, ms
g, msgdata)
Sep 04 15:10:00 2002 qrunner(24498):   
File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 1
57, in dispose_message
Sep 04 15:10:00 2002 qrunner(24498):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
Sep 04 15:10:00 2002 qrunner(24498):   
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHa
ndler.py", line 123, in ParseMailCommands
Sep 04 15:10:00 2002 qrunner(24498):      precedence = msg.get
('precedence', '')
.lower()
Sep 04 15:10:00 2002 qrunner(24498): AttributeError :  'string' object 
has no at
tribute 'lower'

i am no python expert.

-- 
Michael Pike
Northern Navajo Medical Center
Information Techonology Development
505-368-6062
The NNMC E-Series - Perfecting Healthcare Information Technology
http://eseries.ihs.gov




From arif at welfarelaw.org  Thu Sep  5 00:11:53 2002
From: arif at welfarelaw.org (Arif Mamdani)
Date: 04 Sep 2002 17:11:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Issue with headers on listserv
Message-ID: <1031177514.5660.53.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hey folks,
I've got something here that I don't really understand, and would really
appreciate some assistance.

I'm running lists on redhat 7.2, postfix as the MTA, mailman version
2.0.7.  

Here's what happening.  I've recently been informed that one of the list
recipients is no longer receiving messages.  After going through some
troubleshooting with her, it looks like the headers on messages going to
her don't contain the "for <user at domain.name>;" section that (I think)
identifies the recipient.  Looking through headers on my other lists, it
appears that none of the lists are sending messages with that line in
the header, yet they "work" because the right people get their
messages/respond/etc, so I'm confused both about this particular issue,
as well as why if none of my lists contain this header info, they appear
to work.

any help/guidance/place to look to learn more about this would be
appreciated.

thanks much,
-arif
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From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Sep  5 00:30:10 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 16:30:10 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailCommandHandler.py errors
References: <200209042113.g84LDLG24522@nnmcmed.ihs.gov>
Message-ID: <3D768972.68E0C641@pcraft.com>

Michael Pike wrote:

> Traceback (innermost last):
> File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 2 83, in ?
>       kids = main(lock)
> File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 2 53, in main
>       keepqueued = dispose_message (mlist, msg, msgdata)
> File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 1 57, in dispose_message
>       mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
> File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 123, in
> ParseMailCommands
>       precedence = msg.get('precedence', '').lower()
> AttributeError :  'string' object has no attribute 'lower'

    This is an error that has been posted before by many (including myself) and
I think the general solution was either downgrade to an earlier version of
Mailman, or tell it to use python2 instead.  Of course this would mean you have
python2 installed.

--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.






From mpike at nnmcmed.ihs.gov  Thu Sep  5 00:29:10 2002
From: mpike at nnmcmed.ihs.gov (Michael Pike)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:29:10 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailCommandHandler.py errors
Message-ID: <200209042229.g84MTAF24884@nnmcmed.ihs.gov>

I saw that... but no luck...

I have Python2-2.2-16 (default rh73 install) and still getting the 
errors.... what is a good version to downgrade too?

mike


> Michael Pike wrote:
> 
> > Traceback (innermost last):
> > File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 2 83, in ?
> >       kids = main(lock)
> > File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 2 53, in main
> >       keepqueued = dispose_message (mlist, msg, msgdata)
> > File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 1 57, in dispose_message
> >       mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
> > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 123, in
> > ParseMailCommands
> >       precedence = msg.get('precedence', '').lower()
> > AttributeError :  'string' object has no attribute 'lower'
> 
>     This is an error that has been posted before by many (including 
myself) and
> I think the general solution was either downgrade to an earlier 
version of
> Mailman, or tell it to use python2 instead.  Of course this would 
mean you have
> python2 installed.
> 
> --
> W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
>   +------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>   Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 
x130
>   IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 
x130
>   Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. 
#6
>   http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, 
U.S.A.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%
40python.org/
> 
> 

-- 
Michael Pike
Northern Navajo Medical Center
Information Techonology Development
505-368-6062
The NNMC E-Series - Perfecting Healthcare Information Technology
http://eseries.ihs.gov




From joerg at alea.gnuu.de  Wed Sep  4 20:27:20 2002
From: joerg at alea.gnuu.de (Joerg Sommer)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:27:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] several addresses for one user
In-Reply-To: <20020904142741.GZ12878@ns2.wananchi.com>
References: <20020903204349.GA661@alea.gnuu.de> <20020904142741.GZ12878@ns2.wananchi.com>
Message-ID: <20020904182720.GA430@alea.gnuu.de>

Odhiambo Washington wrote on Wed 04. Sep, 17:27 (+0300) :
> * Joerg Sommer <joerg at alea.gnuu.de> [20020903 23:53]: wrote:
> > Can I register a member ml-XX on a mailing list and give the addresses of
> > persons I trust? So this persons can post, but don't receive mails.
> 
> subscribe multiple addresses that you are sending from and set the others
> not to receive mail. So you can post from any of the addresses but only
> rcv mail on one, yes?

This isn't the way I would prefer, but it is a way. Can I set this
parameters in the subscribe mail?

Joerg.



From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Sep  5 00:53:17 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 16:53:17 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailCommandHandler.py errors
References: <200209042229.g84MTAF24884@nnmcmed.ihs.gov>
Message-ID: <3D768EDD.62E4F38@pcraft.com>

Michael Pike wrote:

> I have Python2-2.2-16 (default rh73 install) and still getting the
> errors.... what is a good version to downgrade too?

    A default RH7.3 install will have python installed, and only if you've
selected it, python2.  By your message it looks like you have python2 installed,
however python will still be on the system (many other rpm's rely on python, rpm
being one of them), so Mailman is using that, not python2.  Tell the configure
script that you want to use python2 instead (read ./configure --help)

--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.






From thomasdye56 at hotmail.com  Thu Sep  5 01:11:34 2002
From: thomasdye56 at hotmail.com (hotmail user)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:11:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] test
References: <2613456.1031175280@[192.168.215.120]>
Message-ID: <OE29z9K9YGlNUGOoFoy00003ad7@hotmail.com>

What are you testing; your keyboard, email client, or isp? 
Or, all of the above? 
test concluded, 
test out. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dirk H. Schulz 
  To: mailman-users at python.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 3:34 PM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] test


  test test test

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From mpike at nnmcmed.ihs.gov  Thu Sep  5 01:38:10 2002
From: mpike at nnmcmed.ihs.gov (Michael Pike)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:38:10 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailCommandHandler.py errors
Message-ID: <200209042338.g84NcA228788@nnmcmed.ihs.gov>

I tried using configure with specifying /usr/bin/python2 as the 
interpreter.... no luck...

so, I just copied python2 over python, and now it works... who knows 
what else it will screw up... but mailman is more important to me than 
whatever the hell python was doing before.... i backed up the old 
python to pythonoriginal in /usr/bin... so now /usr/bin/python is a 
copy of /usr/bin/python2 and it's fine.

let me know if I am an idiot.
mike


> Michael Pike wrote:
> 
> > I have Python2-2.2-16 (default rh73 install) and still getting the
> > errors.... what is a good version to downgrade too?
> 
>     A default RH7.3 install will have python installed, and only if 
you've
> selected it, python2.  By your message it looks like you have 
python2 installed,
> however python will still be on the system (many other rpm's rely on 
python, rpm
> being one of them), so Mailman is using that, not python2.  Tell the 
configure
> script that you want to use python2 instead (read ./configure --help)
> 
> --
> W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
>   +------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>   Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 
x130
>   IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 
x130
>   Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. 
#6
>   http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, 
U.S.A.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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40python.org/
> 
> 

-- 
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Northern Navajo Medical Center
Information Techonology Development
505-368-6062
The NNMC E-Series - Perfecting Healthcare Information Technology
http://eseries.ihs.gov




From sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx  Thu Sep  5 01:55:41 2002
From: sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Sammons?=)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:55:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating list!!!
Message-ID: <20020904235541.75148.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com>

   Hi there!!!

      In list.org i found this: 

Version (2.1b2, released on 05-May-2002) is the
current development release of the next version of
Mailman. Although, stable, it should not be used in
production environments. Instead, please use the
latest stable release. 

    I?m working with MM2.1a2...I want to use the
stable version "upgrading" to 2.0.13 and moving them
move to a different server.

    How can i do that????

    Thanks!!!

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From barry at python.org  Thu Sep  5 02:44:41 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:44:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailCommandHandler.py errors
References: <200209042113.g84LDLG24522@nnmcmed.ihs.gov>
	<3D768972.68E0C641@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <15734.43257.936345.452869@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "AMK" == Ashley M Kirchner <ashley at pcraft.com> writes:

    AMK>     This is an error that has been posted before by many
    AMK> (including myself) and I think the general solution was
    AMK> either downgrade to an earlier version of Mailman, or tell it
    AMK> to use python2 instead.  Of course this would mean you have
    AMK> python2 installed.

No downgrading necessary.  Simply upgrade to Mailman 2.0.13 or use
Python 2.x.

-Barry



From siegel at cafecancun.com  Thu Sep  5 15:44:24 2002
From: siegel at cafecancun.com (Jules Siegel)
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 08:44:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Making a one way list
Message-ID: <B99CC9E8.D031%siegel@cafecancun.com>

How do I configure a Mailman list so that it's one way -- that is I can send
mail but subscribers can't reply to the list? Will just setting the reply to
function to specific sender work? Or is there another more secure way to do
this?




From toorop at cyborgnation.org  Thu Sep  5 08:59:11 2002
From: toorop at cyborgnation.org (Toorop)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:59:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailCommandHandler.py errors
In-Reply-To: <3D768972.68E0C641@pcraft.com>
References: <200209042113.g84LDLG24522@nnmcmed.ihs.gov>
 <3D768972.68E0C641@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <140222087093.20020905085911@cyborgnation.org>

Bonjour mailman-users, 
 
 Le jeudi 5 septembre 2002 ? 00:30, tu nous faisais part
 dans ton message "[Mailman-Users] MailCommandHandler.py errors" de ceci :

AMK> Michael Pike wrote:

>> Traceback (innermost last):
>> File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 2 83, in ?
>>       kids = main(lock)
>> File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 2 53, in main
>>       keepqueued = dispose_message (mlist, msg, msgdata)
>> File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 1 57, in dispose_message
>>       mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
>> File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 123, in
>> ParseMailCommands
>>       precedence = msg.get('precedence', '').lower()
>> AttributeError :  'string' object has no attribute 'lower'

   Change line 123 and 124 by :
   precedence = string.lower(msg.get('precedence', ''))
   ack = string.lower(msg.get('x-ack', ''))
 

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From listen at czernay.com  Thu Sep  5 12:41:54 2002
From: listen at czernay.com (Alexander Czernay)
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:41:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce-only list - how?
Message-ID: <3D7734F2.5040500@czernay.com>

This has probably been discussed before, but I couldn't find an answer 
in the FAQs, so...

I'd like to generate an announce-only list, that means a list where only 
one person (the owner) can post and the others only get the mail, but 
can't post to the list, but only back to the owner. Is that possible?

Alexander






From listen at czernay.com  Thu Sep  5 14:56:23 2002
From: listen at czernay.com (Alexander Czernay)
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 14:56:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is one-way possible?
Message-ID: <3D775477.1040305@czernay.com>

This has probably been discussed before, but I couldn't find an answer 
in the FAQs, so...

I'd like to generate an announce-only list, that means a list where only 
one person (the owner) can post and the others only get the mail, but 
can't post to the list, but only back to the owner. Is that possible?

Alexander






From brianr at bjsystems.co.uk  Thu Sep  5 17:46:08 2002
From: brianr at bjsystems.co.uk (Brian Read)
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:46:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web address in confirmation emails
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020905164600.0227e5a0@server01>

Hi

A question - I have installed mailman on my Mitel SMEserver (rehat 7.0, 
Qmail).  Internet connection is via an IpCop box to ADSL.

The DHCP and DNS run in the IpCop box.

Internally my domain is bjsystems.co.uk, but i do not host the web site 
www.bj.... , it is held at my ISP

When a confirmation email arrives from mailman the web link is 
<whatever>.bjsystems.co.uk  I need this to be my dynamic DNS address, not 
the internal domain name, as the <whatever>.bjsystems.co.uk does not 
resolve on my network to the server web page.

I have tried changing the parameter in the General options (Host name this 
list prefers for email), but it does not seem to make any difference to the 
contents of the emails sent out.

TIA

Brian

Brian J Read
www.bjsystems.co.uk
www.abandonmicrosoft.co.uk
www.theonlineorganiser.com
www.thepersonalknowledgebase.com
+44 1695 723723





From wolf at wolfstream.net  Thu Sep  5 17:50:40 2002
From: wolf at wolfstream.net (Tom Whiting)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:50:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is one-way possible?
In-Reply-To: <3D775477.1040305@czernay.com>
References: <3D775477.1040305@czernay.com>
Message-ID: <200209051050.40566.wolf@wolfstream.net>

This is the answer I got for the very same question the other day. Granted, 
it's complicated as hell (believe me, I know), but it shows that it can be 
done.

>>>>> "TW" == Tom Whiting <wolf at wolfstream.net> writes:

    TW> Here's what I mean; You start up X list X list is supposed to
    TW> be a low-traffic announcement list, something for you to
    TW> announce releases, uptime,etc to your customers.  By default,
    TW> any customer can post to X list,with no way to change this.
    TW> So, what you're left with is an open list that any customer
    TW> can post to and spam.

What you want to do is go to the Membership Management page, the
Membership List subpage.

Scroll down to where you see "# Set everyone's moderation bit,
including those members not currently visible".  Select "On" and click
on "Set".

All your members will have their moderation flag turned on, and now
you can decide what happens when a moderated member posts to the list.
Go to Privacy Options -> Sender Filter to select this.

For an announce-only list, you might want to set
member_moderation_action to "Reject", and include a rejection notice
like:

    "This is an announce-only list.  Members are not allowed to post
    to the list.  Please contact the list owner at
    mylist-owner at example.com for further assistance."

So now your members will get automatic rejections if they post to the
list (you might want to set up something similar for non-members).

There are a few ways you can set up folks as approved posters to the
list.

- if they are members, turn off their moderation flag

- if they are non-members, add them to the accept_these_nonmembers
  field

- give them the list password and let them post their messages with an
  "Approved: password" header.


-------------------------------------------------------
On Thursday 05 September 2002 07:56 am, Alexander Czernay wrote:
> This has probably been discussed before, but I couldn't find an answer
> in the FAQs, so...
>
> I'd like to generate an announce-only list, that means a list where only
> one person (the owner) can post and the others only get the mail, but
> can't post to the list, but only back to the owner. Is that possible?
>
> Alexander
>
>
>
>




From siegel at cafecancun.com  Thu Sep  5 18:04:10 2002
From: siegel at cafecancun.com (Jules Siegel)
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 11:04:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is one-way possible?
In-Reply-To: <200209051050.40566.wolf@wolfstream.net>
Message-ID: <B99CEAAA.D04F%siegel@cafecancun.com>

on 9/5/02 10:50 AM, wolf at wolfstream.net wrote:


> 
> What you want to do is go to the Membership Management page, the
> Membership List subpage.
> 
> Scroll down to where you see "# Set everyone's moderation bit,
> including those members not currently visible".  Select "On" and click
> on "Set".

Where is this?

Also, here's another problem. For some reason, I can't paste a list of
addresses into the subscribe field. It just remains blank. I can write into
it fine. I have another list and I haven't had that problem. Any idea what's
going on here?




From barry at python.org  Thu Sep  5 18:09:57 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:09:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating list!!!
References: <20020904235541.75148.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <15735.33237.448862.981876@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "DS" == David Sammons <sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx> writes:

    DS>     I?m working with MM2.1a2...I want to use the
    DS> stable version "upgrading" to 2.0.13 and moving them
    DS> move to a different server.

I would not suggest taking a list created with MM2.1 and moving it to
a 2.0.x system.  Instead, you should upgrade to MM2.1b3 and just track
the beta releases (and/or cvs updates).

-Barry



From listen at czernay.com  Thu Sep  5 18:17:38 2002
From: listen at czernay.com (Alexander Czernay)
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 18:17:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is one-way possible?
References: <B99CEAAA.D04F%siegel@cafecancun.com>
Message-ID: <3D7783A2.7090407@czernay.com>

You're probably using MM2.0 as I do. It seems like it doesn't have those 
features.
It would be great if the developers could add that announcement-only 
feature to MM in an obvious and simple way.

Jules Siegel wrote:

>on 9/5/02 10:50 AM, wolf at wolfstream.net wrote:
>
>
>  
>
>>What you want to do is go to the Membership Management page, the
>>Membership List subpage.
>>
>>Scroll down to where you see "# Set everyone's moderation bit,
>>including those members not currently visible".  Select "On" and click
>>on "Set".
>>    
>>
>
>Where is this?
>
>Also, here's another problem. For some reason, I can't paste a list of
>addresses into the subscribe field. It just remains blank. I can write into
>it fine. I have another list and I haven't had that problem. Any idea what's
>going on here?
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
>  
>






From siegel at cafecancun.com  Thu Sep  5 18:18:53 2002
From: siegel at cafecancun.com (Jules Siegel)
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 11:18:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is one-way possible?
In-Reply-To: <3D7783A2.7090407@czernay.com>
Message-ID: <B99CEE1C.D055%siegel@cafecancun.com>

on 9/5/02 11:17 AM, listen at czernay.com wrote:

> You're probably using MM2.0 as I do. It seems like it doesn't have those
> features.
> 
I don't know which version I'm using, although I suspect you're right. I get
the Mailman service as part of my hosting package.

Browser (such as being unable to paste in to the mass subscribe field --
which now affects my other list, too) and connection problems are common.
Every few days, I get a transient error message on trying to do some
administrative task.

> It would be great if the developers could add that announcement-only feature
> to MM in an obvious and simple way.

Agree fully.

But this is really an amazing utility in general -- especially at the price!
So I guess we have to be thankful and tolerant.




From siegel at cafecancun.com  Thu Sep  5 18:22:43 2002
From: siegel at cafecancun.com (Jules Siegel)
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 11:22:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web address in confirmation emails
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020905164600.0227e5a0@server01>
Message-ID: <B99CEF02.D058%siegel@cafecancun.com>

The confirmation feature doesn't work at all on my installation. I'd really
like this to function, as it makes it much more feasible to do a one-time,
opt-in mailing. I am attempting to set up an announcement list for press
releases to media contacts. These are all public addresses that are
supposedly open to receive press releases, but I much prefer a specific
confirmation, to a clumsy opt-out.

Any ideas on this?




From listen at czernay.com  Thu Sep  5 18:03:33 2002
From: listen at czernay.com (Alexander Czernay)
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 18:03:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is one-way possible?
References: <3D775477.1040305@czernay.com> <20020905150904.GT15427@ns2.wananchi.com>
Message-ID: <3D778055.8050703@czernay.com>

This first one didn't appear, so I guessed that maybe Mailman's 
automatic admin-message removal kicked my first message out.

Now I found some explanation on how to do set it up on MM2.1, but as 
that is beta, I'd rather like to use MM2.0. And for that, I couldn't 
find any infos. Could you please give me a hint?

Thanks a lot

Alexander


Odhiambo Washington wrote:

>* Alexander Czernay <listen at czernay.com> [20020905 18:07]: wrote:
>  
>
>>This has probably been discussed before, but I couldn't find an answer 
>>in the FAQs, so...
>>    
>>
>
>You did not look in the archives ;-)
>
>It's possible and it's been discussed multiple times.
>
>
>Why are you sending the same e-mail twice "dressed differently"?
>
>
>-Wash
>
>  
>






From wash at wananchi.com  Thu Sep  5 18:40:42 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 19:40:42 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is one-way possible?
In-Reply-To: <3D7783A2.7090407@czernay.com>
References: <B99CEAAA.D04F%siegel@cafecancun.com> <3D7783A2.7090407@czernay.com>
Message-ID: <20020905164042.GG15427@ns2.wananchi.com>

* Alexander Czernay <listen at czernay.com> [20020905 19:22]: wrote:
> You're probably using MM2.0 as I do. It seems like it doesn't have those 
> features.
> It would be great if the developers could add that announcement-only 
> feature to MM in an obvious and simple way.


You guys should run mailman-2.1b3 - there's really nothing bad with it.
I believe you two haven't gotten bald, so you still have enough hairs
on your heads to pull out. I run 2.1b3 here and it's not a problem.
Don't fear, you will get help here when you have problems. The developers
here will be more than willing to support you, and that would hasten
the release of 2.1, even


        cheers
       - wash 
+----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com	. WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE)  |
http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/		. 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St.,  |
GSM: (+254) 722 743 223			. # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI             |
+---------------------------------+------------------------------------------+
"Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!"  
						 --from a /. post



From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Thu Sep  5 18:45:37 2002
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:45:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is one-way possible?
References: <3D775477.1040305@czernay.com> <20020905150904.GT15427@ns2.wananchi.com> <3D778055.8050703@czernay.com>
Message-ID: <3D778A31.BB90CAD2@whidbey.com>

On the Privacy Options page, set "Must posts be approved by an administrator?"
to yes so the occasional post will not pass. On General Options, set "Where are
replies to list messages directed?" to Explicit address and make sure that
address ends up in one of your inboxes.

There is no way to automatically discard the messages that come to the list, but
they won't be distributed. The users will probably get the hint that it's not a
discussion list fairly soon, and you probably want any replies anyway.

Van

Alexander Czernay wrote:

> This first one didn't appear, so I guessed that maybe Mailman's
> automatic admin-message removal kicked my first message out.
>
> Now I found some explanation on how to do set it up on MM2.1, but as
> that is beta, I'd rather like to use MM2.0. And for that, I couldn't
> find any infos. Could you please give me a hint?
>
> Thanks a lot
>
> Alexander
>
> Odhiambo Washington wrote:
>
> >* Alexander Czernay <listen at czernay.com> [20020905 18:07]: wrote:
> >
> >
> >>This has probably been discussed before, but I couldn't find an answer
> >>in the FAQs, so...
> >>
> >>
> >
> >You did not look in the archives ;-)
> >
> >It's possible and it's been discussed multiple times.
> >
> >
> >Why are you sending the same e-mail twice "dressed differently"?
> >
> >
> >-Wash
> >
> >
> >
>
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From siegel at cafecancun.com  Thu Sep  5 18:43:59 2002
From: siegel at cafecancun.com (Jules Siegel)
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 11:43:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is one-way possible?
In-Reply-To: <20020905164042.GG15427@ns2.wananchi.com>
Message-ID: <B99CF3FF.D062%siegel@cafecancun.com>

on 9/5/02 11:40 AM, wash at wananchi.com wrote:

> You guys should run mailman-2.1b3

As I said, it's not my choice, but the host's. Also, I am understanding the
confirmation message properly? Is the subscriber supposed to be able confirm
the subscription? If so, why isn't it coming through in my welcome message
or however it's supposed to?




From wash at wananchi.com  Thu Sep  5 18:49:47 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 19:49:47 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is one-way possible?
In-Reply-To: <3D778A31.BB90CAD2@whidbey.com>
References: <3D775477.1040305@czernay.com> <20020905150904.GT15427@ns2.wananchi.com> <3D778055.8050703@czernay.com> <3D778A31.BB90CAD2@whidbey.com>
Message-ID: <20020905164947.GJ15427@ns2.wananchi.com>

* G. Armour Van Horn <vanhorn at whidbey.com> [20020905 19:45]: wrote:
> There is no way to automatically discard the messages that come to the list


I may be wrong but if you search the archives of this list for "clear requests",
someone did contribute a script that can be run via cron to discard the messages.



        cheers
       - wash 
+----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com	. WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE)  |
http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/		. 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St.,  |
GSM: (+254) 722 743 223			. # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI             |
+---------------------------------+------------------------------------------+
"Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!"  
						 --from a /. post



From irwin at taranto.com  Thu Sep  5 19:43:40 2002
From: irwin at taranto.com (irwin)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:43:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is one-way possible?
In-Reply-To: <20020905164947.GJ15427@ns2.wananchi.com>
References: <3D775477.1040305@czernay.com> <3D778A31.BB90CAD2@whidbey.com> <20020905164947.GJ15427@ns2.wananchi.com>
Message-ID: <200209051743.g85Hhec25691@taranto.com>

On Thursday 05 September 2002 09:49 am, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> * G. Armour Van Horn <vanhorn at whidbey.com> [20020905 19:45]: wrote:
> > There is no way to automatically discard the messages that come to the
> > list
>
> I may be wrong but if you search the archives of this list for "clear
> requests", someone did contribute a script that can be run via cron to
> discard the messages.

Works for me.

Irwin

Here is the cron line:

45 16 * * * /usr/bin/python2.1 -S /var/mailman/cron/clear-requests listname

Here is the script:

#! /usr/bin/env python

# We can use this and run it differently from the others - !/usr/bin/python

# I configured a list to accept messages from subscribers only
# so that unsubscribers' messages can be approved by admin manually.
# But these days some spammers started to send too many messages
# so deleting those messages takes quite time.
#
# Is there any way to configure mailman delete every messages
# from unsubscribers automatically and do not even notify it
# to the list admin?

# I use this script to do just that. Name it (clear_request) and put it in
# mailman cronjob.

# The default cron job for mailman most likely mails admins at 5pm about
# pending requests so you should run this script at 4:50pm or something.


# Written by Donal Hunt
# April 23rd 2001
#
# argv[1] should be the name of the list.

"""Clear pending administrative requests for a list

Usage:
    clear_requests listname

Where:

    listname
        The name of the Mailman list you want to clear
        pending requests from.  It must already exist.

"""

import sys
import os
import string
import getopt
import paths
from Mailman import mm_cfg
from Mailman import Utils
from Mailman import MailList
from Mailman import Errors
from Mailman import Message
from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog


def usage(status, msg=''):
    if msg:
        print msg
    print __doc__ % globals()
    sys.exit(status)


def main():
    try:
        ml = MailList.MailList(sys.argv[1])
    except Errors.MMListError, e:
        usage(1, 'No such list: %s (%s)' % (listname, e))
    try:
        print 'No of Requests Pending: %s ' % ml.NumRequestsPending()
        print 'No of postings awaiting approval: %s ' % ml.GetHeldMessageIds()
        print 'No of subsciptions awaiting approval: %s ' % 
ml.GetSubscriptionIds()
        for i in ml.GetHeldMessageIds():
            ml.HandleRequest(i, 3)
        for i in ml.GetSubscriptionIds():
            ml.HandleRequest(i, 2, 'No subscription allowed - please mail %s' 
% ml.owner[0] )

        print 'No of Requests Pending: %s ' % ml.NumRequestsPending()
        ml.Save()
    finally:
        ml.Unlock()

main()



From cra at bigfatpipe.net  Thu Sep  5 21:36:37 2002
From: cra at bigfatpipe.net (Christopher Allen [BigFatPipe.Net])
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:36:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is one-way possible?
In-Reply-To: <3D7783A2.7090407@czernay.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0209051234320.46523-100000@uao.bigfatpipe.net>

On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Alexander Czernay wrote:
> You're probably using MM2.0 as I do. It seems like it doesn't have those
> features.
> It would be great if the developers could add that announcement-only
> feature to MM in an obvious and simple way.

Under Mailman 2.0.x:

Go into the administrative interface for your list, then to the "Privacy
Options" page.  On that page, set "Must posts be approved by an
administrator?" to "Yes."  Then, put the address of the person who should
be able to post without preapproval into the "Addresses of members
accepted for posting to this list without implicit approval requirement"
box.

-CA

-- Christopher R. Allen -------------- cra at bigfatpipe.net --
-- "When one tugs at a single thing in nature he finds it --
-- attached to the rest of the world."  ------- John Muir --






From heather at pcgal.com  Thu Sep  5 21:52:00 2002
From: heather at pcgal.com (Heather J. Lubinsky)
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:52:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing a list name
References: <3D775477.1040305@czernay.com> <3D778A31.BB90CAD2@whidbey.com>
 <20020905164947.GJ15427@ns2.wananchi.com>
 <200209051743.g85Hhec25691@taranto.com>
Message-ID: <18d901c25515$b317f0c0$84d667d8@lubinsky.com>

I need to change the name of a list --but I do not know how.

Does anyone know how?

I am on mailman v2.0.8

Heather Lubinsky
heather at pcgal.com




From anna at water.ca.gov  Thu Sep  5 22:30:06 2002
From: anna at water.ca.gov (Fong, Anna)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:30:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating list!!!
Message-ID: <E4DB956556B44246B45B98347EC68ECE120591@JOCEX1.ad.water.ca.gov>

David,
 
Try these threads:
 
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg11052.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg11545.html
 
Although they don't address your specific circumstances, they may provide you with enough insight to apply to your case.
 
Hope this helps,
Anna
 

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: mailman-users-admin at python.org on behalf of David Sammons 
	Sent: Wed 9/4/2002 4:55 PM 
	To: Mailman-Users at python.org 
	Cc: 
	Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating list!!!
	
	
	   Hi there!!!
	
	      In list.org i found this:
	
	Version (2.1b2, released on 05-May-2002) is the
	current development release of the next version of
	Mailman. Although, stable, it should not be used in
	production environments. Instead, please use the
	latest stable release.
	
	    I?m working with MM2.1a2...I want to use the
	stable version "upgrading" to 2.0.13 and moving them
	move to a different server.
	
	    How can i do that????
	
	    Thanks!!!


From george.crum at webwarecorp.com  Thu Sep  5 22:48:56 2002
From: george.crum at webwarecorp.com (George Crum)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:48:56 -0700 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configure mailman on Solaris 8
Message-ID: <9730220255E1D5118BD200065B040BF00109A6@exch.webwarecorp.com>

Hello,
I'm having trouble getting configure to run on a Solaris 8 server.  Here is
the configure command that I issue and the resulting error.

./configure --prefix=/export/home/mailman --with-mail-gid=25
--with-cgi-gid=1004

checking for --with-var-prefix... no
checking for --with-username... mailman
checking for mailman UID... Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "conftest.py", line 1, in ?
    import pwd, string
ImportError: No module named pwd
cat: cannot open conftest.out

configure: error: 
***** No "mailman" user found!
***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined
***** (usually in your /etc/passwd file).  Please see the INSTALL
***** file for details.

I have created the user mailman and a group called mailman.  Plus created
the home directory /export/home/mailman.

Has anyone out there compiled Mailman on Solaris 8?

- George Crum



From barry at python.org  Thu Sep  5 23:15:36 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:15:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is one-way possible?
References: <B99CEAAA.D04F%siegel@cafecancun.com>
	<3D7783A2.7090407@czernay.com>
Message-ID: <15735.51576.224097.965334@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "AC" == Alexander Czernay <listen at czernay.com> writes:

    AC> You're probably using MM2.0 as I do. It seems like it doesn't
    AC> have those features.  It would be great if the developers
    AC> could add that announcement-only feature to MM in an obvious
    AC> and simple way.

MM2.1 will have better support, but you'll have to know what you're
doing.  I expect the documentation <wink> will have a clear recipe for
setting this up.

One of the development projects for post-2.1 is to support canned (and
extensible) list styles that aggregate some common settings, so a list
admin could click on "Announcement Only" and be done with it.

-Barry



From barry at python.org  Thu Sep  5 23:18:36 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:18:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing a list name
References: <3D775477.1040305@czernay.com>
	<3D778A31.BB90CAD2@whidbey.com>
	<20020905164947.GJ15427@ns2.wananchi.com>
	<200209051743.g85Hhec25691@taranto.com>
	<18d901c25515$b317f0c0$84d667d8@lubinsky.com>
Message-ID: <15735.51756.463553.95573@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "HJL" == Heather J Lubinsky <heather at pcgal.com> writes:

    HJL> I need to change the name of a list --but I do not know how.

    HJL> Does anyone know how?

    HJL> I am on mailman v2.0.8

http://www.list.org/MM21/faq.html

Scroll down to the last question.

HTH,
-Barry



From wheakory at isu.edu  Fri Sep  6 00:12:53 2002
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:12:53 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMTPDirect.py  using sleep command
Message-ID: <3D77D6E5.52B56E31@isu.edu>

Using Mailman 2.0.13 on Red Hat 7.2

I've got a Mailman mailing list that contains 14,000 subscribers, on a
Linux box that's
using sendmail has the delivery agent that sends all of the messages to
one mail host, because all 14,000 subscribers have an email
account on our mail server. This Linux box is only used to deliver our
Mailman mailing to our Mail server which is a HPUX 11 server, using
sendmail as the routing agent.

We sent a message to the 14,000 recipient  Mailman mailing list the
other day and
it put the load on our Unix Box that contains our mail server to the
roof

What I have done to maybe slow down the delivery  to sendmail  that
creates the queue files then delivers them to our mail server is  in the
Mailman SMTPDirect.py I have used the sleep command to sleep after
delivering  so that our mail server can catch up before the next batch
is delivered, this way its not being bombarded.

Now here is where I would appreciate help, I'm not a experienced Python
programmer and maybe what I did below is  stupid and will not work
(using the time.sleep(25) command), but please look at the code and if
it will not work  please let me know what I can code that will work that
will slow down the delivery to our mail server.

------------CODE--------------------

def deliver(envsender, msgtext, recips, failures):
    refused = {}
    # Gather statistics on how long each SMTP dialog takes.
##    t0 = time.time()
    try:
        conn = smtplib.SMTP(mm_cfg.SMTPHOST, mm_cfg.SMTPPORT)
        try:
            # make sure the connect happens, which won't be done by the
            # constructor if SMTPHOST is false
            time.sleep(25)
            refused = conn.sendmail(envsender, recips, msgtext)
        finally:
##            t1 = time.time()
##            syslog('smtp', 'smtp for %d recips, completed in %.3f
seconds' %
##                   (len(recips), (t1-t0)))
            conn.quit()
    except smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused, e:
        refused = e.recipients
    # MTA not responding, or other socket problems, or any other kind of

    # SMTPException.  In that case, nothing got delivered
    except (socket.error, smtplib.SMTPException), e:

------------END-----------------




From rhorer at swbell.net  Fri Sep  6 00:45:37 2002
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:45:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMTPDirect.py  using sleep command
In-Reply-To: <3D77D6E5.52B56E31@isu.edu>
References: <3D77D6E5.52B56E31@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <200209051745.37985.rhorer@swbell.net>

On Thursday 05 September 2002 17:12, Kory Wheatley wrote:
> What I have done to maybe slow down the delivery  to sendmail  that
> creates the queue files then delivers them to our mail server is  in
> the Mailman SMTPDirect.py I have used the sleep command to sleep
> after delivering  so that our mail server can catch up before the
> next batch is delivered, this way its not being bombarded.

It seems to me like the right way to handle your situation would be to 
adjust the QueueLA and RefuseLA parameters on the HP/UX box's sendmail.  
That way you fix the situation no matter what the source of the 
bombardment is, as opposed to just fixing it from your Mailman server.

>From /etc/sendmail.cf on a generic system:
# load average at which we just queue messages
O QueueLA=8
#
# load average at which we refuse connections
O RefuseLA=12

Just change QueueLA to, say, 1 and RefuseLA to, say, 2 or 3.  Once the 
load average drops back below the threshold, sendmail will start 
accepting/delivering mail as appropriate.

Just a thought.
Kyle



From shu.ung at anu.edu.au  Fri Sep  6 06:20:45 2002
From: shu.ung at anu.edu.au (Shu Ung)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:20:45 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailpasswds
Message-ID: <03D440E3-C150-11D6-8C4A-000393A43728@anu.edu.au>

Hi,

I am using MM 2.1b2 on SunOS 5.8. When I run the script mailpasswds, 
the password reminders are sent separately per list - they are not 
bundled into one email message per unique user. What have I done wrong?

Thanks,
Shu




From p.schoenfeld at epost.de  Fri Sep  6 06:51:31 2002
From: p.schoenfeld at epost.de (Patrick Schoenfeld)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 06:51:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configure mailman on Solaris 8
In-Reply-To: <9730220255E1D5118BD200065B040BF00109A6@exch.webwarecorp.com>
References: <9730220255E1D5118BD200065B040BF00109A6@exch.webwarecorp.com>
Message-ID: <20020906065131.56a10498.p.schoenfeld@epost.de>

Hi,

> checking for --with-var-prefix... no
> checking for --with-username... mailman
> checking for mailman UID... Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "conftest.py", line 1, in ?
>     import pwd, string
> ImportError: No module named pwd
> cat: cannot open conftest.out
hmm... he seems having problems to open it's test result file
seems to me like your python installation is bad but well i don't know ;)



From Elrond at BostonComputing.net  Fri Sep  6 08:17:33 2002
From: Elrond at BostonComputing.net (Rajib A. Momen)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 02:17:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question:
Message-ID: <F869AAD2B7FC344C8ED7FBF74BCE5B2F90BC@boston.bostoncomputing.net>

Hi there,
 
I was curious if there is a way to bypass the email confirmation of a
subscription. It seems kind of redundant to sign up on a web site, enter
a password, and then have to reply to a message to confirm, since you
just signed up! Is this possible? Secondly, I was wondering if it was
possible to set a list so that you could unsubscribe from it by email
without inputting the password. For example, if I wanted the bottom of
all my messages to have a link or very, very simple instructions on how
to unsubscribe, how would I go about doing this? Currently it seems that
the user MUST input his/her password. Any help would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks!
 
Best regards,
Rajib Momen
 
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From wash at wananchi.com  Fri Sep  6 08:38:50 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:38:50 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question:
In-Reply-To: <F869AAD2B7FC344C8ED7FBF74BCE5B2F90BC@boston.bostoncomputing.net>
References: <F869AAD2B7FC344C8ED7FBF74BCE5B2F90BC@boston.bostoncomputing.net>
Message-ID: <20020906063850.GD59978@ns2.wananchi.com>

* Rajib A. Momen <Elrond at BostonComputing.net> [20020906 09:18]: wrote:
> Hi there,
>  
> I was curious if there is a way to bypass the email confirmation of a
> subscription. It seems kind of redundant to sign up on a web site, enter
> a password, and then have to reply to a message to confirm, since you
> just signed up! Is this possible?

I believe that can be done, but you shouldn't do it since it's a nice security
for the list.


> Secondly, I was wondering if it was possible to set a list so that you could
> unsubscribe from it by email without inputting the password. For example, if
> I wanted the bottom of all my messages to have a link or very, very simple
> instructions on how to unsubscribe, how would I go about doing this? Currently
> it seems that the user MUST input his/her password. Any help would be greatly
> appreciated. Thanks!

I am sure it can be done. Nothing is impossible but you have to find how to do it.

If I were you, I'll just unsubscribe via e-mail. It's a very simple process.

Hmm, some guys really love complicated systems.



        cheers
       - wash 
+----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
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http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/		. 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St.,  |
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From heitbrockd at schlick.de  Fri Sep  6 09:17:06 2002
From: heitbrockd at schlick.de (Denis Heitbrock)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:17:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove a list
Message-ID: <003201c25575$6af39c80$c65a18ac@ws90198>

hi,

i'm new to mailman and i don't find anythink about how to remove a list...
maybe im blind???
anyone could help me with this easy problem?

thxxx


greetz
Denis Heitbrock





From raquel at thericehouse.net  Fri Sep  6 09:29:35 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 00:29:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove a list
In-Reply-To: <003201c25575$6af39c80$c65a18ac@ws90198>
References: <003201c25575$6af39c80$c65a18ac@ws90198>
Message-ID: <20020906002935.17679f2e.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:17:06 +0200
"Denis Heitbrock" <heitbrockd at schlick.de> wrote:

> hi,
> 
> i'm new to mailman and i don't find anythink about how to remove a
> list... maybe im blind???
> anyone could help me with this easy problem?
> 
> thxxx
> 
> 
> greetz
> Denis Heitbrock

Hi Dennis.  Use:
$ /home/mailman/bin/rmlist -a <listname>
-a <=> remove the archives too

-- 
Raquel
============================================================
The true secret of giving advice is, after you have honestly given
it, to be perfectly indifferent whether it is taken or not and never
persist in trying to set people right.
  --Hannah Whitall Smith




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Sep  6 11:18:17 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 10:18:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configure mailman on Solaris 8
In-Reply-To: <9730220255E1D5118BD200065B040BF00109A6@exch.webwarecorp.co
 m>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020906100652.048a2e78@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 13:48 05/09/2002 -0700, George Crum wrote:
>Hello,
>I'm having trouble getting configure to run on a Solaris 8 server.  Here is
>the configure command that I issue and the resulting error.
>
>./configure --prefix=/export/home/mailman --with-mail-gid=25
>--with-cgi-gid=1004
>
>checking for --with-var-prefix... no
>checking for --with-username... mailman
>checking for mailman UID... Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "conftest.py", line 1, in ?
>     import pwd, string
>ImportError: No module named pwd
>cat: cannot open conftest.out
>
>configure: error:
>***** No "mailman" user found!
>***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined
>***** (usually in your /etc/passwd file).  Please see the INSTALL
>***** file for details.
>
>I have created the user mailman and a group called mailman.  Plus created
>the home directory /export/home/mailman.
>
>Has anyone out there compiled Mailman on Solaris 8?
>
>- George Crum

This looks line a python installation problem and not a Mailman specific 
problem.

pwd is a standard python module used to access the password database on 
Unix systems and the error message you are getting is python saying that 
the module cannot be imported.

You can confirm (or deny) this proposition by running python from the 
command line and trying to use pwd. For instance on my test system I get:

[testsys!/u/barrett]:python
Python 1.5.2 (#12, Oct 15 1999, 16:24:36) [C] on sunos5
Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam
 >>> import pwd
 >>> pwd.getpwnam('barrett')
('barrett', 'x', 500, 101, 'Richard Barrett', '/u/barrett', 
'/usr/local/bin/bash')
 >>> pwd.getpwnam('mailman')
('mailman', 'x', 601, 601, 'Mailman Maillist Manager account', 
'/u/mailman', '/usr/local/bin/bash')
 >>>

If you get an import failure after typing the import pwd line then you need 
to look to your python installation for the problem.




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Sep  6 12:33:22 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 11:33:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] SMTPDirect.py  using sleep command
In-Reply-To: <3D77D6E5.52B56E31@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020906103215.03c13eb0@pop.ftel.co.uk>

Without comment on whether this whole approach is correct, I would suggest 
that you do not want to modify the deliver function.

I'm assuming you have not enabled threaded delivery, i.e. set the 
mm_cfg.MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS to a non-zero value. If you have, you might 
like to reconsider that decision as it will mean the threaded_deliver 
function may be being used, assuming your Python is installed to support 
threads. If it is, that may be part of the problem. I'll also assume you 
haven't changed the SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to an unreasonable value in mm_cfg.py

Looking at the problem you pose; Mailman divides the total recipient list 
for a mail in to a sequence of chunks in the process function of 
SMTPDirect.py. By default I think SMTP_MAX_RCPTS=500. It then iterates over 
that chunk sequence in the process function of SMTPDirect.py, calling the 
deliver function, which opens a new SMTP connection to pass the message to 
the SMTP server for each chunk's-worth of recipients.

You would be better off putting your delay into the loop over the chunks in 
the process function, to give some breathing space between connections 
being opened, rather than delaying the send to the SMTP server once the 
connection has been opened, which is what your proposal does.

Doing the delay in the process function should also have the advantage of 
less impact on operation when the number of recipients for a message is 
more modest, if you make the delay conditional on there being a large 
number of recipients. You could also play some games so that the amount of 
throttling by Mailman is conditional on the total number of recipients 
using some suitable algorithm to calculate the delay.

Just for fun I've included the content of a samll patch file for 
SMTPDirect.py below which:

1. adds a function for computing the inter-chunk deliver delay. Change the 
algorithm to suit your prejudices.

2. adds a conditional sleep between calls to deliver for each chunk of 
recipients.

Somebody will probably say this is all of load of codswallop and they may 
well be right. But I hope you solve your problem and would be interested to 
hear how you do so.

cut here------------------------------------------------------
--- SMTPDirect.py.orig  Fri Sep  6 10:54:06 2002
+++ SMTPDirect.py       Fri Sep  6 11:17:53 2002
@@ -44,8 +44,15 @@



+def throttle(number_of_recipients):
+    # or some algorithm to compute inter-connection delay
+    delay = int(number_of_recipients / 2000)
+    return delay
+
+
  def process(mlist, msg, msgdata):
      recips = msgdata.get('recips')
+    throttle_delay = throttle(len(recips))
      if not recips:
          # Nobody to deliver to!
          return
@@ -72,6 +79,8 @@
          else:
              for chunk in chunks:
                  deliver(admin, msgtext, chunk, refused)
+                if throttle_delay:
+                    time.sleep(throttle_delay)
      finally:
          t1 = time.time()
          mlist.Lock()
cut here------------------------------------------------------


At 16:12 05/09/2002 -0600, Kory Wheatley wrote:
>Using Mailman 2.0.13 on Red Hat 7.2
>
>I've got a Mailman mailing list that contains 14,000 subscribers, on a
>Linux box that's
>using sendmail has the delivery agent that sends all of the messages to
>one mail host, because all 14,000 subscribers have an email
>account on our mail server. This Linux box is only used to deliver our
>Mailman mailing to our Mail server which is a HPUX 11 server, using
>sendmail as the routing agent.
>
>We sent a message to the 14,000 recipient  Mailman mailing list the
>other day and
>it put the load on our Unix Box that contains our mail server to the
>roof
>
>What I have done to maybe slow down the delivery  to sendmail  that
>creates the queue files then delivers them to our mail server is  in the
>Mailman SMTPDirect.py I have used the sleep command to sleep after
>delivering  so that our mail server can catch up before the next batch
>is delivered, this way its not being bombarded.
>
>Now here is where I would appreciate help, I'm not a experienced Python
>programmer and maybe what I did below is  stupid and will not work
>(using the time.sleep(25) command), but please look at the code and if
>it will not work  please let me know what I can code that will work that
>will slow down the delivery to our mail server.
>
>------------CODE--------------------
>
>def deliver(envsender, msgtext, recips, failures):
>     refused = {}
>     # Gather statistics on how long each SMTP dialog takes.
>##    t0 = time.time()
>     try:
>         conn = smtplib.SMTP(mm_cfg.SMTPHOST, mm_cfg.SMTPPORT)
>         try:
>             # make sure the connect happens, which won't be done by the
>             # constructor if SMTPHOST is false
>             time.sleep(25)
>             refused = conn.sendmail(envsender, recips, msgtext)
>         finally:
>##            t1 = time.time()
>##            syslog('smtp', 'smtp for %d recips, completed in %.3f
>seconds' %
>##                   (len(recips), (t1-t0)))
>             conn.quit()
>     except smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused, e:
>         refused = e.recipients
>     # MTA not responding, or other socket problems, or any other kind of
>
>     # SMTPException.  In that case, nothing got delivered
>     except (socket.error, smtplib.SMTPException), e:
>
>------------END-----------------
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Mailman-Developers mailing list
>Mailman-Developers at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman-21/listinfo/mailman-developers




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Sep  6 12:40:44 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 11:40:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMTPDirect?
In-Reply-To: <3B5F9FD8.F75CB88D@dpcgroup.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020906113405.048a2e78@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 23:43 25/07/2001 -0500, Alex Lau wrote:
>Is this protocol able to send external email?
>Thanks
>Alex

Yes. Setting Mailman's DELIVERY_MODULE configuration parameter to 
'SMTPDirect ' tells Mailman to use SMTP to despatch outgoing mail to a host 
identified by the SMTPHOST configuration parameter.

SMTP, as I'm sure your know, is the main protocol used between Mail 
Transfer Agents to move email around the internet.




From Elrond at BostonComputing.net  Fri Sep  6 16:03:41 2002
From: Elrond at BostonComputing.net (Rajib A. Momen)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:03:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question:
Message-ID: <F869AAD2B7FC344C8ED7FBF74BCE5B2F05890B@boston.bostoncomputing.net>

If these things can both be done, is there a place where I could go
about learning how to do them?

Best regards,
Rajib Momen
 


-----Original Message-----
From: Odhiambo Washington [mailto:wash at wananchi.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 2:39 AM
To: Rajib A. Momen
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Question:

* Rajib A. Momen <Elrond at BostonComputing.net> [20020906 09:18]: wrote:
> Hi there,
>  
> I was curious if there is a way to bypass the email confirmation of a
> subscription. It seems kind of redundant to sign up on a web site,
enter
> a password, and then have to reply to a message to confirm, since you
> just signed up! Is this possible?

I believe that can be done, but you shouldn't do it since it's a nice
security
for the list.


> Secondly, I was wondering if it was possible to set a list so that you
could
> unsubscribe from it by email without inputting the password. For
example, if
> I wanted the bottom of all my messages to have a link or very, very
simple
> instructions on how to unsubscribe, how would I go about doing this?
Currently
> it seems that the user MUST input his/her password. Any help would be
greatly
> appreciated. Thanks!

I am sure it can be done. Nothing is impossible but you have to find how
to do it.

If I were you, I'll just unsubscribe via e-mail. It's a very simple
process.

Hmm, some guys really love complicated systems.



        cheers
       - wash 
+----------------------------------+------------------------------------
-----+
Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com	. WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi,
KE)  |
http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/		. 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita
St.,  |
GSM: (+254) 722 743 223			. # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI
|
+---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
-----+
"Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!"  
						 --from a /. post



From darren at nyetech.com  Fri Sep  6 16:31:30 2002
From: darren at nyetech.com (Darren Nye)
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 10:31:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about Headers/Footers
In-Reply-To: <20020906103402.24502.22441.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <001801c255b2$17a1e220$1900a8c0@ATHALON>

All members on my list are regular non-digest (I just created the list
manually). I have over 2,000 people on my list.

I edited the Header and Footer on the nondigest page, prior to sending
my first email to the list. However, the Header and Footer didn't appear
in the email that was sent out. Any thoughts/suggestions?




From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Sep  6 18:02:27 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 09:02:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about Headers/Footers 
In-Reply-To: Message from Darren Nye <darren@nyetech.com> 
   of "Fri, 06 Sep 2002 10:31:30 EDT." <001801c255b2$17a1e220$1900a8c0@ATHALON> 
References: <001801c255b2$17a1e220$1900a8c0@ATHALON> 
Message-ID: <11492.1031328147@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 06 Sep 2002 10:31:30 -0400 
Darren Nye <darren at nyetech.com> wrote:

> I edited the Header and Footer on the nondigest page, prior to sending
> my first email to the list. However, the Header and Footer didn't
> appear in the email that was sent out. Any thoughts/suggestions?

You sent a MIME message.

Please see the FAQ.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From george.crum at webwarecorp.com  Fri Sep  6 18:34:31 2002
From: george.crum at webwarecorp.com (George Crum)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:34:31 -0700 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configure mailman on Solaris 8
Message-ID: <9730220255E1D5118BD200065B040BF00109AB@exch.webwarecorp.com>

That is indeed my problem.

gcrum at edo:9:29AM ? python
~:(pts/7)
Python 2.2.1 (#1, Aug 23 2002, 16:58:39) 
[GCC 3.0] on sunos5
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import pwd
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
ImportError: No module named pwd
>>> 

Thank you Rajib and Richard.  I'll look into my Python installation to see
what I did wrong.

- George Crum



>You can confirm (or deny) this proposition by running python from the 
>command line and trying to use pwd. For instance on my test system I get:
>
>[testsys!/u/barrett]:python
>Python 1.5.2 (#12, Oct 15 1999, 16:24:36) [C] on sunos5
>Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam
> >>> import pwd
> >>> pwd.getpwnam('barrett')
>('barrett', 'x', 500, 101, 'Richard Barrett', '/u/barrett', 
>'/usr/local/bin/bash')
> >>> pwd.getpwnam('mailman')
>('mailman', 'x', 601, 601, 'Mailman Maillist Manager account', 
>'/u/mailman', '/usr/local/bin/bash')
> >>>
>
>If you get an import failure after typing the import pwd line then you need

>to look to your python installation for the problem.



From rhorer at swbell.net  Fri Sep  6 20:16:57 2002
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 13:16:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question:
In-Reply-To: <F869AAD2B7FC344C8ED7FBF74BCE5B2F90BC@boston.bostoncomputing.net>
References: <F869AAD2B7FC344C8ED7FBF74BCE5B2F90BC@boston.bostoncomputing.net>
Message-ID: <200209061316.57784.rhorer@swbell.net>

On Friday 06 September 2002 01:17, Rajib A. Momen wrote:
> It seems kind of redundant to sign up on a web site,
> enter a password, and then have to reply to a message to confirm,
> since you just signed up!

This seems to be a FAQ, although I don't recall if it is addressed in 
the actual FAQ document.  Anyway, there are two reasons to have the 
confirmation message even when signing up on the web site.  First, it 
verifies that the email address the web user entered is valid and can 
receive mail.  Second, it helps prevent one person from maliciously 
subscribing another.  Remember that anyone can enter any email address 
on the web form, but it's likely that only the subscribee will receive 
(and therefore reply to) the confirmation message.

> Secondly, I was wondering
> if it was possible to set a list so that you could unsubscribe from
> it by email without inputting the password.

Another pseudo-FAQ.  The password requirement helps prevent malicious or 
unauthorized unsubscribes.  Anyone who is capable of using an Internet 
email client should also be capable of providing the password in order 
to unsubscribe.  It's really not difficult.

Kyle



From rick at niof.net  Fri Sep  6 20:25:32 2002
From: rick at niof.net (Rick Pasotto)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:25:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] strip-mime and aol
Message-ID: <20020906182532.GB9844@tc.niof.net>

What does my AOL user need to change? I use strip-mime and it deletes
her entire message. It looks to me like AOL is sending an rfc822 message
as an attachment.

-- 
"Every time I try to define a perfectly stable person, I am appalled by
the dullness of that person."
		-- J. D. Griffin
    Rick Pasotto    rickp at telocity.com    http://www.niof.net



From thomasdye56 at hotmail.com  Fri Sep  6 16:57:13 2002
From: thomasdye56 at hotmail.com (hotmail user)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:57:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question:
References: <F869AAD2B7FC344C8ED7FBF74BCE5B2F90BC@boston.bostoncomputing.net>
Message-ID: <OE14o8PU2pnUgrMbzjq00005e4a@hotmail.com>

The confirmation is in place, because, mm doesn't know for sure that
it was actually **you** who signed up, and not some "well meaning"
friend or pervert playing silly games. Without the confirmation process
anyone could go to unpteen number of signup sites and gratuiously 
sign up your email address for enough email to fill your mail box in less 
than an hour. With confirmation process, you only need to **not** reply 
to the confirm, and, the request to join is never completed. Confirmation 
message also tells  you the IP address where the request originated, 
allowing you to report the pervert to their ISP or boss. 

In the footer it's possible to incude something like: 

To unsubscribe, click below, and replace "YOUR_PASSWORD" with your real password after "%20":<DIV><nobr><A href="mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe%20YOUR_PASSWORD">mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe%20YOUR_PASSWORD</A></nobr></DIV>

tom
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rajib A. Momen 
  To: mailman-users at python.org 
  Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 2:17 AM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question:


  Hi there,

   

  I was curious if there is a way to bypass the email confirmation of a subscription. It seems kind of redundant to sign up on a web site, enter a password, and then have to reply to a message to confirm, since you just signed up! Is this possible? Secondly, I was wondering if it was possible to set a list so that you could unsubscribe from it by email without inputting the password. For example, if I wanted the bottom of all my messages to have a link or very, very simple instructions on how to unsubscribe, how would I go about doing this? Currently it seems that the user MUST input his/her password. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

   

  Best regards,

  Rajib Momen

   

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From jlockard at umich.edu  Fri Sep  6 22:34:10 2002
From: jlockard at umich.edu (John M. Lockard)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:34:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'newlist' problems
Message-ID: <20020906163410.I6698@umich.edu>

When I create a newlist, the list gets created and users can subscribe, post,
etc. with no problems.  There are problems with the archive though.  What I'm
seeing on the server side is this...


[root at krusty ~]# cd /var/mailman/archives/public
[root at krusty public]# ls -laR
./public:
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Sep  6 15:18 .
drwxrwsr-x    4 mailman  mailman      4096 Sep  5 17:37 ..
lrwxrwxrwx    1 mailman  mailman        35 Sep  5 22:14 test -> /var/mailman/archives/private/test
lrwxrwxrwx    1 mailman  mailman        51 Sep  5 20:39 test.mbox -> /var/mailman/archives/private/test.mbox
lrwxrwxrwx    1 mailman  mailman        50 Sep  6 15:18 test2 -> /var/mailman/archives/private/test2
lrwxrwxrwx    1 mailman  mailman        55 Sep  6 15:18 test2.mbox -> /var/mailman/archives/private/test2.mbox

[root at krusty public]# cd /var/mailman/archives/private
[root at krusty private]# ls -laR
./private:
drwxrws--x    5 mailman  mailman      4096 Sep  6 15:18 .
drwxrwsr-x    4 mailman  mailman      4096 Sep  5 17:37 ..
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Sep  5 20:39 test.mbox
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Sep  6 15:18 test2.mbox

./private/test.mbox:
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Sep  5 20:39 .
drwxrws--x    5 mailman  mailman      4096 Sep  6 15:18 ..

./private/test2.mbox:
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Sep  6 15:18 .
drwxrws--x    5 mailman  mailman      4096 Sep  6 15:18 ..



The 'newlist' script created "test.mbox" and "test2.mbox" in the private
directory and created symlinks to them in the public directory.  BUT, in
the public directory 'newlist' created a symlink for each list to a directory
or file that doesn't exist in the private directory.

I figure that the symlink for "test.mbox" is probably correct, but am wondering
if the "test" symlink should really be pointing at "/var/mailman/lists/test"???

If I'm correct in this assumption, what is going wrong and how can I fix it?
I've looked through the source, but am not familiar with python, and can't even
(quickly) figure out where the newlist script is doing the symlinks to begin
with.

-John

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Sep  6 22:41:12 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 14:41:12 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'newlist' problems
References: <20020906163410.I6698@umich.edu>
Message-ID: <3D7912E8.765D462E@pcraft.com>

"John M. Lockard" wrote:

> The 'newlist' script created "test.mbox" and "test2.mbox" in the private
> directory and created symlinks to them in the public directory.  BUT, in
> the public directory 'newlist' created a symlink for each list to a directory
> or file that doesn't exist in the private directory.

    This is correct.


> I figure that the symlink for "test.mbox" is probably correct, but am wondering
> if the "test" symlink should really be pointing at "/var/mailman/lists/test"???

    There won't be any mbox if you're not archiving anything.  Once your list starts archiving posts, that file
that currently doesn't exist will automagically get created.

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From Elrond at BostonComputing.net  Fri Sep  6 23:05:27 2002
From: Elrond at BostonComputing.net (Rajib A. Momen)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:05:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question:
Message-ID: <F869AAD2B7FC344C8ED7FBF74BCE5B2F05890D@boston.bostoncomputing.net>

Is there no simpler way? It seems kind of redundant to have a user
required to put in his password if he's sending from his own e-mail
address. Is there any way I can create something that is very simple to
click for users to unsubscribe? I was thinking maybe signing up all the
users w/ the same password, perhaps the name of the list. However, I
also do not know how to subscribe a user to a list with a specific
password without his having to confirm it. Thanks so much for the help!
 
In the footer it's possible to incude something like: 
 
To unsubscribe, click below, and replace "YOUR_PASSWORD" with your real
password after "%20":<DIV><nobr><A
href="mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe%20YOUR
_PASSWORD">mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe%2
0YOUR_PASSWORD</A></nobr></DIV>
 
tom
	----- Original Message ----- 
	From: Rajib A. Momen <mailto:Elrond at BostonComputing.net>  
	To: mailman-users at python.org 
	Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 2:17 AM
	Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question:
	 
	Hi there,
	 
	I was curious if there is a way to bypass the email confirmation
of a subscription. It seems kind of redundant to sign up on a web site,
enter a password, and then have to reply to a message to confirm, since
you just signed up! Is this possible? Secondly, I was wondering if it
was possible to set a list so that you could unsubscribe from it by
email without inputting the password. For example, if I wanted the
bottom of all my messages to have a link or very, very simple
instructions on how to unsubscribe, how would I go about doing this?
Currently it seems that the user MUST input his/her password. Any help
would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
	 
	Best regards,
	Rajib Momen
	 
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From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Sep  6 23:13:02 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:13:02 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question:
References: <F869AAD2B7FC344C8ED7FBF74BCE5B2F05890D@boston.bostoncomputing.net>
Message-ID: <3D791A5E.25775D01@pcraft.com>

"Rajib A. Momen" wrote:

> Is there no simpler way? It seems kind of redundant to have a user required
> to put in his password if he?s sending from his own e-mail address. Is there
> any way I can create something that is very simple to click for users to
> unsubscribe? I was thinking maybe signing up all the users w/ the same
> password, perhaps the name of the list. However, I also do not know how to
> subscribe a user to a list with a specific password without his having to
> confirm it. Thanks so much for the help!
>

    Please read the Mailman FAQ located at
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py.

    More specifically, lookup 'password' in the FAQ and you get this returned:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=password&querytype=simple&casefold=yes&req=search

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From thomasdye56 at hotmail.com  Sat Sep  7 02:54:38 2002
From: thomasdye56 at hotmail.com (hotmail user)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:54:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] strip-mime and aol
References: <20020906182532.GB9844@tc.niof.net>
Message-ID: <OE26cDjoYAPNXRPmcar00005833@hotmail.com>

Q: What do you call someone who pays double for internet access? 
A: An AOL user! 
AOL user needs to "change" to a "real" isp. 
tom

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rick Pasotto 
  To: mailman-users at python.org 
  Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 2:25 PM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] strip-mime and aol


  What does my AOL user need to change? I use strip-mime and it deletes
  her entire message. It looks to me like AOL is sending an rfc822 message
  as an attachment.

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From rick at niof.net  Sat Sep  7 03:02:27 2002
From: rick at niof.net (Rick Pasotto)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:02:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] strip-mime and aol
In-Reply-To: <OE26cDjoYAPNXRPmcar00005833@hotmail.com>
References: <20020906182532.GB9844@tc.niof.net> <OE26cDjoYAPNXRPmcar00005833@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20020907010227.GE9844@tc.niof.net>

On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 08:54:38PM -0400, hotmail user wrote:
> Q: What do you call someone who pays double for internet access? 
> A: An AOL user! 
> AOL user needs to "change" to a "real" isp. 
> tom

Q: What do you call someone who sends html email?
A: Clueless.

Q: What do you call someone who wastes time and bandwidth *not*
   answering the question?
A: Clueless.

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From thomasdye56 at hotmail.com  Sat Sep  7 04:12:34 2002
From: thomasdye56 at hotmail.com (hotmail user)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 22:12:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] strip-mime and aol
References: <20020906182532.GB9844@tc.niof.net> <OE26cDjoYAPNXRPmcar00005833@hotmail.com> <20020907010227.GE9844@tc.niof.net>
Message-ID: <OE31htWrwuVjtQUGUzL000059b0@hotmail.com>


Dear "Clueless",
You not answer question, either.. 
ha, ha!! 

Get real, Rickie,  this is the 21st Century,     HTML here to stay.    It's called    freedom to send    email in whatever    format I want. 


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rick Pasotto 
  To: mailman-users at python.org 
  Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 9:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] strip-mime and aol


  On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 08:54:38PM -0400, hotmail user wrote:
  > Q: What do you call someone who pays double for internet access? 
  > A: An AOL user! 
  > AOL user needs to "change" to a "real" isp. 
  > tom

  Q: What do you call someone who sends html email?
  A: Clueless.

  Q: What do you call someone who wastes time and bandwidth *not*
     answering the question?
  A: Clueless.

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From mailman at david-lamotte.net  Sat Sep  7 07:23:25 2002
From: mailman at david-lamotte.net (David Lamotte)
Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 15:23:25 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message Attachments
Message-ID: <3D798D4D.541C97F6@david-lamotte.net>

Hi,

I am just getting started with Mailman (so please excuse my ignorance), but
I cannot see where you can strip attachments from posts.

What have I missed ?

Thanks
David



From wash at wananchi.com  Sat Sep  7 09:11:03 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 10:11:03 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] strip-mime and aol
In-Reply-To: <OE31htWrwuVjtQUGUzL000059b0@hotmail.com>
References: <20020906182532.GB9844@tc.niof.net> <OE26cDjoYAPNXRPmcar00005833@hotmail.com> <20020907010227.GE9844@tc.niof.net> <OE31htWrwuVjtQUGUzL000059b0@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20020907071103.GE97816@ns2.wananchi.com>

* hotmail user <thomasdye56 at hotmail.com> [20020907 05:14]: wrote:
> 
> Dear "Clueless",
> You not answer question, either.. 
> ha, ha!! 
> 
> Get real, Rickie,  this is the 21st Century,     HTML here to stay.    
> It's called    freedom to send    email in whatever    format I want. 


Let this guy read and get the answers for his questions. Afterall this
is the 21st century and people have all the freedom not to answer your
questions.

ha, ha!!



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From tiempoparavivir at hotmail.com  Sat Sep  7 13:25:31 2002
From: tiempoparavivir at hotmail.com (alicia garcía)
Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 11:25:31 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ENDORSE THIS: Global actions against Coke demanding A
Message-ID: <F117DYaOqlOQq2vXqZA00000d25@hotmail.com>

>From: David Alberto Murillo <amigos at prodigy.net.mx>
>To: boletinamigos at eListas.net
>Subject: [boletinamigos] [Fwd: ENDORSE THIS: Global actions against Coke 
>demanding AIDS drugs forAfrican workers 10/17]
>Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 23:44:02 -0500
>
>
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: ENDORSE THIS: Global actions against Coke demanding AIDS drugs
>forAfrican workers 10/17
>Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 15:25:47 -0400
>From: Paul Davis <pdavis at critpath.org>
>To: healthgap <healthgap at critpath.org>
>
>In Barcelona, major AIDS groups from across the globe issued a call for
>actions on October 17th demanding AIDS drugs for Coca Cola's 100,000
>employees and bottling plant workers in Africa. The numbers of countries
>and
>cities planning actions is growing rapidly, and the company is running
>scared. Please help keep the pressure on Coke -- we are about to win a
>historic victory!
>
>PLEASE ENDORSE: please complete the form at the end of this e-mail and
>send
>                 it to info at healthgap.org
>TO PARTICIPATE: e-mail salynch at healthgap.org for local actions or to get
>                 help planning one.
>
>
>COCA-COLA, WORKPLACE HIV TREATMENT, AND A GLOBAL DAY OF PROTEST
>
>  Dear Colleagues,
>
>Please distribute the following announcement widely. It invites
>organizations to endorse and take part in a Global Day of Protest
>against
>Coca-Cola on October 17, 22, for refusing to provide AIDS treatment for
>workers and their dependents in developing countries.
>
>The struggle for expanding affordable access to AIDS treatment gained a
>victory in August of 2002, when under pressure from labor and AIDS
>groups,
>the mining giants Anglo American, Anglo Gold and De Beers agreed to
>provide
>AIDS treatment-including antiretroviral drugs-to their workers. In the
>case
>of De Beers, the offer extends to a single sex partner of a De Beer's
>worker-but not to dependents. Gold Fields stands out as one of the
>largest
>mining corporations in sub-Saharan Africa left that still refuses to
>provide
>AIDS drugs to its workforce, with an estimated HIV seroprevalence of
>25%.
>
>While we believe the onus of public health is on the public sector,
>businesses have a responsibility to fulfill the human right to treatment
>among HIV positive workers and dependents. As corporations implement
>workplace treatment programs, pressure is brought upon on governments
>who
>are no longer credible in their arguments that treatment is not
>feasible.
>
>Coca-Cola, another corporation that has enjoyed a rapidly growing
>market,
>decades of escalating profit and low labor costs in Africa, also refuses
>to
>pay for HIV treatment for the bulk of its workers. Instead, Coke issued
>a
>policy in June 2001 that only HIV positive people among Coke
>administrative
>staff are eligible for access to treatment. This leaves almost 100,000
>bottlers and distributors without access to medicines should they become
>sick with HIV.
>
>We challenge Coca-Cola to fulfill its fundamental obligation- to
>implement
>comprehensive HIV/AIDS workplace programs and policies, which include
>treatment and care for infected workers and their dependents.
>
>With the HIV/AIDS pandemic decimating whole societies, Coca-Cola must
>take
>responsibility for its workplace policies and programs and ensure all
>HIV
>infected workers, and their dependents, have access to AIDS treatment
>and
>care.
>
>We ask you to join us in this campaign. Without international pressure
>and
>attention on Coca-Cola, their policy of inaction and neglect resulting
>in
>otherwise preventable infections and needless illness and death in its
>massive workforces in Africa, and in Asia, particularly India and
>Thailand
>will not change.
>
>
>In Solidarity,
>
>Sharonann Lynch
>Health GAP
>ACT UP New York
>USA
>
>Zackie Achmat
>Treatment Action Campaign
>South Africa
>
>
>
>*please distribute widely and excuse multiple postings*
>
>*************************************************************
>
>STOP MEDICAL APARTHEID -- FIGHT FOR AIDS TREATMENT FOR WORKERS
>
>Call on Coca-Cola, others corporations to treat workers with HIV
>
>OCTOBER 17, 2002: GLOBAL DAY OF PROTEST AGAINST CORPORATIONS DENYING
>AIDS
>DRUGS
>
>*************************************************************
>
>Join ACT UP, Health GAP, Treatment Action Campaign, and others to demand
>Coca-Cola and other multinational corporations pay for AIDS treatment
>for
>workers living with HIV/AIDS in developing countries.
>
>*************************************************************
>DEMANDS
>
>We demand Coca-Cola and other multinational corporations operating in
>developing countries:
>
>* Provide all workers and their dependents with comprehensive healthcare
>-
>including life-sustaining antiretroviral treatments.
>
>* Offer confidential HIV testing and counseling to all workers, in the
>context of a clear anti-discrimination policy.
>
>* Distribute free condoms in the workplace, and provide safer-sex and
>sexual
>health education classes.
>
>* Develop further HIV/AIDS prevention and education policies in
>collaboration with affected employees, their labor representatives, and
>community-based health initiatives.
>
>*************************************************************
>MORE INFORMATION
>
>Tel:  1-212-674-9598, Email: info at healthgap.org
>
>Go to: http://www.treat-your-workers.org
>
>- fact sheet on Coke and workers living HIV/AIDS
>
>- updated list of endorsers and campaign materials
>
>- activist toolkits for students, non-students
>
>- growing list of events, protests
>
>*********************************
>HOW TO PARTICIPATE IN THE GLOBAL DAY OF PROTEST:
>
>ENDORSE the Global Day of Protest against Coca-Cola by filling out the
>form
>below and sending via email to salynch at healthgap.org.
>
>MOBILIZE people in your area, your organization, on your campus.
>Download
>activist and student toolkits at www.treat-your-workers.org
>
>ORGANIZE: Activists in the U.S., South Africa, Thailand, Morocco, and
>France
>will take part in a global day of action to protest Coca-Cola. Similar
>to
>other coordinated solidarity campaigns, the groups will protest
>Coca-Cola at
>location in various countries and cities on the same day.  Contact
>Health
>GAP for information on how to take part in your area.
>
>*********************************
>Take Action: Tell Coke executives to provide AIDS treatment for all of
>their
>HIV + workers in Africa
>
>1) Write, Fax, and Call Coca-Cola today:
>
>-  Phone: 404-676-4971 or Fax: 404-515-2226
>
>-  Download and fax in the community letter to Coke's CEO Doug Daft:
>    www.treat-your-workers.org
>
>2) Join the campaign for access to HIV/AIDS treatment for workers &
>    families, and the GLOBAL DAY OF PROTEST- Oct 17, 2002.
>
>     Contact:
>             Sharonann Lynch
>             Health GAP
>             Phone: 1-212-674-9598
>             Email:    info at healthgap.org
>
>             www.healthgap.org
>             www.treat-your-workers.org
>
>********
>SPONSORS
>
>The organizations sponsoring the Global Day of Protest against Coca-Cola
>include Treatment Action Campaign (South Africa), Global AIDS Alliance,
>European AIDS Treatment Group, Association Marocaine de Lutte Contre le
>Sida
>(Association Fighting AIDS), Morocco, Health GAP, ACT UP New York, ACT
>UP
>Philadelphia, Act Up-Paris, ACT UP East Bay, the Thai Network of People
>Living with HIV (TNP+), and Student Global AIDS Alliance.
>
>Full list of endorsers below.
>
>***********************************************************************
>
>ENDORSE THE GLOBAL DAY OF ACTION AGAINST COKE, OCTOBER 17, 2002.
>
>SEND TO INFO at HEALTHGAP.ORG
>
>I / We endorse the Global Day of Protest against Coke.
>
>Name:
>Organization:
>Email:
>Address:
>Phone:
>Fax
>
>Endorsement is
>(  ) Individual
>(  ) Organizational
>(  ) Both
>
>I / my organization can assist with the following needs:
>(  ) Will attend / bring others
>(  ) Will assist with the Global Day of Protest by:
>
>
>
>***********************************************************************
>
>SEND TO INFO at HEALTHGAP.ORG
>
>For background information on the campaign to expand access to AIDS
>treatment in developing countries: http://www.globaltreatmentaccess.org
>
>
>Paul Davis
>Health GAP
>ACT UP Philadelphia
>e: pdavis at healthgap.org
>t: +1 215.833.4102 (mobile)
>f: +1 215.474.4793
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From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Sat Sep  7 15:50:39 2002
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:50:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Man Problems - No aliases being created.
Message-ID: <NGBBLKFIDENNFHKFMGAIEELLCCAA.badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk>

Everytime I create a new list, no aliases are being added to sendmail. Mail
cannot be recieved, and I get user not found. Any advice would be
appreciated.




From rhorer at swbell.net  Sat Sep  7 16:24:19 2002
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 09:24:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] strip-mime and aol
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0209070226090.1249-100000@pooh.ASARian.org>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0209070226090.1249-100000@pooh.ASARian.org>
Message-ID: <200209070924.19542.rhorer@swbell.net>

On Saturday 07 September 2002 01:47, Fuzzy wrote:
> > Get real, Rickie, this is the 21st Century, HTML here to stay. 
> > It's called freedom to send email in whatever format I want.

And we have the freedom to not read mail in whatever format we want.  If 
you want your mail to have the widest possible readership, keep that in 
mind.

> You seem to be unaware of the costs...

Don't forget about the security implications, which is the main reason I 
dislike HTML mail.  I agree that it takes up too much space, isn't 
RFC-compliant, and not all clients can read it.  Those are good reasons 
not to send it.  However, being a security specialist, HTML mail's 
security risks are tops on my sh** list.

> I suppose that if two people with the tools to view such an email,
> want to correspond via non-text email, that's thier business. For
> mailing list mail one has to insure the usablity of the information.
> To me that means text/plain format.

Good point.

Kyle



From rhorer at swbell.net  Sat Sep  7 16:26:26 2002
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 09:26:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Man Problems - No aliases being created.
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLKFIDENNFHKFMGAIEELLCCAA.badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk>
References: <NGBBLKFIDENNFHKFMGAIEELLCCAA.badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200209070926.26506.rhorer@swbell.net>

On Saturday 07 September 2002 08:50, Angel Gabriel wrote:
> Everytime I create a new list, no aliases are being added to
> sendmail. Mail cannot be recieved, and I get user not found.

Are you remembering to use the "-o" option to $mailman/bin/newlist?



From alex at phred.org  Sat Sep  7 16:26:58 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 07:26:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Man Problems - No aliases being created.
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLKFIDENNFHKFMGAIEELLCCAA.badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20020907072549.G12987-100000@phred.org>

On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Angel Gabriel wrote:
> Everytime I create a new list, no aliases are being added to sendmail. Mail
> cannot be recieved, and I get user not found. Any advice would be
> appreciated.

Mailman doesn't add the aliases to sendmail automatically.  newlist
prints out the aliases to add, and expects you to add them yourself.
Make sure that you run newaliases after you update /etc/aliases.

Mailman can't add them automatically because there are many different
MTAs out there, and not all of them use /etc/aliases and run
newaliases.  I believe that 2.1b3 attempts to add them for some well
known MTAs, but I don't know for sure.

alex




From h_314 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  7 17:41:24 2002
From: h_314 at yahoo.com (mohammad hosseinabady)
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 08:41:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] three questions
Message-ID: <20020907154124.25077.qmail@web40406.mail.yahoo.com>


I created the test group in mailman. it have three members.

Users take all mails from group in a batch mail on next day. 

 Users selected  ?No?  in  ?Would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest?? option.

And when one user attached a file (for example an image) then others  see a coded file in mail.

How cad I cancel batch mode. How can user get mails immediately.

How must user attached the her/his files, So that others can easily download that.

Thanks for your suggestions.

 



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From mpike at nnmcmed.ihs.gov  Sat Sep  7 19:02:51 2002
From: mpike at nnmcmed.ihs.gov (Michael Pike)
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 11:02:51 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Man Problems - No aliases being created.
Message-ID: <200209071702.g87H2p812048@nnmcmed.ihs.gov>

you have to add the mailing list users into your aliases file.... when 
you run the "add list" program in mailman, cut and paste the output 
text into your alias file, then rebuild your aliases database.

mike


> Everytime I create a new list, no aliases are being added to 
sendmail. Mail
> cannot be recieved, and I get user not found. Any advice would be
> appreciated.
> 
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From sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx  Sat Sep  7 23:03:37 2002
From: sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Sammons?=)
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:03:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems starting mailman!!!
Message-ID: <20020907210337.90828.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com>


   Hi there!!!

   when i started mailman 2.0.13 i received the next
message:


   File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 315,
in main
    print _("Shutting down Mailman's master qrunner")
NameError: global name '_' is not defined


   Any ideas????

   Thanks!!!!


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From jgardner at cfl.rr.com  Sun Sep  8 01:57:32 2002
From: jgardner at cfl.rr.com (Jerry)
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 19:57:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with Spam
Message-ID: <001501c256ca$581d6860$0100a8c0@dad>

I've run into a problem that I'm sure someone must have addressed by
now, and I appologize in advance if this is an old thread. (A search of
the archives returned so many near misses that I finally gave up
looking.) I run a private mailMan list with a little over a hundred
subscribers, and each day I must deal with about a dozen spam messages
held for my approval. I've read everything I could find, but have not
discovered a way to have mailMan automatically delete these messages.
The closest I came was in one of the FAQs, where it was suggested that I
run a cron script that would delete them. The only problem with that was
that the script also deletes subscription requests. (I can't imagine
anyone thinking that was a satisfactory solution!) Surely there's a
better way! Anyone?
 
 
All the best,
Jerry

 

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From Elrond at BostonComputing.net  Sun Sep  8 03:12:43 2002
From: Elrond at BostonComputing.net (Rajib A. Momen)
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 21:12:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with Spam
Message-ID: <F869AAD2B7FC344C8ED7FBF74BCE5B2F058930@boston.bostoncomputing.net>

  
I've noticed that in the new beta version, you can set it so that it
automatically gets deleted. I don't remember if it was possible in
2.0.13. I suggest getting the beta, it's got a bunch of new features,
and has no other problems associated with it.
 
Best regards,
Rajib Momen
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry [mailto:jgardner at cfl.rr.com] 
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 7:58 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with Spam
 
I've run into a problem that I'm sure someone must have addressed by
now, and I appologize in advance if this is an old thread. (A search of
the archives returned so many near misses that I finally gave up
looking.) I run a private mailMan list with a little over a hundred
subscribers, and each day I must deal with about a dozen spam messages
held for my approval. I've read everything I could find, but have not
discovered a way to have mailMan automatically delete these messages.
The closest I came was in one of the FAQs, where it was suggested that I
run a cron script that would delete them. The only problem with that was
that the script also deletes subscription requests. (I can't imagine
anyone thinking that was a satisfactory solution!) Surely there's a
better way! Anyone?
 
 
All the best,
Jerry
 
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From mike at CamaroSS.net  Sun Sep  8 04:55:12 2002
From: mike at CamaroSS.net (Mike Kercher)
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 21:55:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem Upgrading to 2.1b3
Message-ID: <DMENLMJCICOCOGBMCNMFGEJECDAA.mike@CamaroSS.net>

This is the configure I ran:

./configure --prefix=/home/mailman --with-mail-gid=41 --with-cgi-id=48

No problems there, then I run make install and get the following:

Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py ...
Listing /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/update", line 47, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 40, in ?
    from email.Utils import getaddresses, formataddr, parseaddr
ImportError: cannot import name formataddr
make: *** [update] Error 1

gcc is 2.96
python is 2.2.1
RH 7.2

Anyone have any idea?  This was an attempt to upgrade from 2.0.13 non-rpm install.

Thanks!




From mike at CamaroSS.net  Sun Sep  8 05:42:53 2002
From: mike at CamaroSS.net (Mike Kercher)
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 22:42:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem Upgrading to 2.1b3 - More
In-Reply-To: <DMENLMJCICOCOGBMCNMFGEJECDAA.mike@CamaroSS.net>
Message-ID: <DMENLMJCICOCOGBMCNMFCEJICDAA.mike@CamaroSS.net>

Follow-up:

I tried installing Mailman to the default /usr/local/mailman and this is what I got:

Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py ...
Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/update", line 44, in ?
    import paths
ImportError: No module named paths
make: *** [update] Error 1


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Mike Kercher
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 9:55 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem Upgrading to 2.1b3


This is the configure I ran:

./configure --prefix=/home/mailman --with-mail-gid=41 --with-cgi-id=48

No problems there, then I run make install and get the following:

Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py ...
Listing /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/update", line 47, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 40, in ?
    from email.Utils import getaddresses, formataddr, parseaddr
ImportError: cannot import name formataddr
make: *** [update] Error 1

gcc is 2.96
python is 2.2.1
RH 7.2

Anyone have any idea?  This was an attempt to upgrade from 2.0.13 non-rpm install.

Thanks!


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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Sep  8 05:53:02 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 07 Sep 2002 23:53:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with Spam
In-Reply-To: <001501c256ca$581d6860$0100a8c0@dad>
References: <001501c256ca$581d6860$0100a8c0@dad>
Message-ID: <1031457182.1608.97.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Okay, dokey.  I wrote the work-around that deletes the waiting spam. 
The reason I don't worry about the waiting subscriptions is that on my
lists, I never get any.  I only close my lists to email that doesn't
belong to folks from the list.  Anyone can subscribe to the lists.

The few lists I have where the subscriptions are closed, only folks that
I know are added, and those folks email me directly.

So yes, I think that is a satisfactory solution.  That's why I wrote it
that way.

If I didn't think it was satisfactory, I would simply add a grep
statement to the script kicked off by the cron, and remove the requests
from the files that are to be deleted.  Then I would re-add the request
after cleaning out the request.db file.

Alternately, you could write a python script to pull out the spam and
separate it from the requests. Of course if I was going that far, I
would let that script remove the spam files. 
Of course, at the time I wrote that script, I barely knew python...

As someone else already pointed out, you can simply upgrade to the
latest beta.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes
===
On Sat, 2002-09-07 at 19:57, Jerry wrote:
> I've run into a problem that I'm sure someone must have addressed by
> now, and I appologize in advance if this is an old thread. (A search of
> the archives returned so many near misses that I finally gave up
> looking.) I run a private mailMan list with a little over a hundred
> subscribers, and each day I must deal with about a dozen spam messages
> held for my approval. I've read everything I could find, but have not
> discovered a way to have mailMan automatically delete these messages.
> The closest I came was in one of the FAQs, where it was suggested that I
> run a cron script that would delete them. The only problem with that was
> that the script also deletes subscription requests. (I can't imagine
> anyone thinking that was a satisfactory solution!) Surely there's a
> better way! Anyone?
>  
>  
> All the best,
> Jerry
> 
>  
> 





From wash at wananchi.com  Sun Sep  8 13:00:43 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:00:43 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem Upgrading to 2.1b3
In-Reply-To: <DMENLMJCICOCOGBMCNMFGEJECDAA.mike@CamaroSS.net>
References: <DMENLMJCICOCOGBMCNMFGEJECDAA.mike@CamaroSS.net>
Message-ID: <20020908110043.GE18436@ns2.wananchi.com>

* Mike Kercher <mike at CamaroSS.net> [20020908 05:50]: wrote:
> This is the configure I ran:
> 
> ./configure --prefix=/home/mailman --with-mail-gid=41 --with-cgi-id=48
> 
> No problems there, then I run make install and get the following:

There is a problem there - --with-cgi-gid, NOT -cgi-id ....

Try that first.



-Wash

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From chris at krc.org.uk  Sun Sep  8 19:52:55 2002
From: chris at krc.org.uk (Chris Robinson)
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 18:52:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin page email address
Message-ID: <005901c25760$9288a1e0$6be0fea9@tcs21>

Hi All

On my admin page I have an email address to chris at tcs03.  It need to be chris at tcs03.triumphant.co.uk.  Can anyone tell me how to change it, please?

Regards

Chris Robinson
Triumph Computer Systems Ltd
139A High Street, Hornchurch
Essex   RM11 3YD
web: http://www.triumphant.co.uk
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From embrey at hood.edu  Sun Sep  8 20:54:23 2002
From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey)
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 14:54:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin page email address
In-Reply-To: <005901c25760$9288a1e0$6be0fea9@tcs21>
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From thomasdye56 at hotmail.com  Mon Sep  9 01:21:48 2002
From: thomasdye56 at hotmail.com (hotmail user)
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 19:21:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] strip-mime and aol
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0209070226090.1249-100000@pooh.ASARian.org>
Message-ID: <OE181ZubIiC08B4wQyk000020de@hotmail.com>

I formated the mail with "infinately long lines" just to be pain in your tush. 
I use windows because it's what comes installed, not because it's any
better, but no other os has the availability of programs that windows does.
clueless
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Fuzzy 
  To: hotmail user 
  Cc: mailman-users at python.org ; Rick Pasotto 
  Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 2:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] strip-mime and aol




  On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, hotmail user wrote:

  >
  > Dear "Clueless",
  > You not answer question, either..
  > ha, ha!!
  >
  > Get real, Rickie, this is the 21st Century, HTML here to stay.  It's
  > called freedom to send email in whatever format I want.

  You seem to be unaware of the costs... text/html takes up 3x the space
  of text/plain. Its only readable by people running certain software,
  (meaning its not RFC821/RFC822 compliant, and can't be read by shell
  account users with normal shell mail programs). I don't know your
  financial situation, but I have limited resources for my client
  accounts and can't afford to store both a readable format (text/plain)
  and an unreadable format (text/html) in my archives.

  Personally, I don't like html email because it requires my extracting the
  text to a file and then running a text based web browser to view it.

  I suppose that if two people with the tools to view such an email, want to
  correspond via non-text email, that's thier business. For mailing list
  mail one has to insure the usablity of the information. To me that means
  text/plain format. I run stripmime for all my lists, and actually have not
  had problems with AOL's builtin email, (AOL 6.0 uses multipart/alternative,
  AOL 7.0 can be configured to send just text/plain and stripmime removes
  the non-plain parts, leaving just a text/plain part).

  I also noted, your email had infinately long lines. I guess
  Windows is really incapable of generating email with reasonable
  line lengths. *sigh*

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From alan_romaniuc at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  9 01:52:20 2002
From: alan_romaniuc at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Roberto=20Romaniuc?=)
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:52:20 -0300 (ART)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ListInfo problem
Message-ID: <20020908235220.4907.qmail@web20510.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi

   When I go to URL http://myserver/mailman/listinfo,
my lists are not showed. 
   I am sure that my list can be listed, and the
address /mailman/admin shows my lists.

    whats is the problem here???
    Mailman 2.0.13, python 2.2

Tnx

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From alan_romaniuc at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  9 01:56:03 2002
From: alan_romaniuc at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Roberto=20Romaniuc?=)
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:56:03 -0300 (ART)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ListInfo problem
Message-ID: <20020908235603.61880.qmail@web20503.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi

   When I go to URL http://myserver/mailman/listinfo,
my lists are not showed. 
   I am sure that my list can be listed, and the
address /mailman/admin shows my lists.

    whats is the problem here???
    Mailman 2.0.13, python 2.2

Tnx

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From nknouf at music.caltech.edu  Mon Sep  9 05:06:57 2002
From: nknouf at music.caltech.edu (Nicholas Knouf)
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:06:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with running mailman commands from php
Message-ID: <20020908195951.A41959-100000@music.caltech.edu>

Hi All,

I am trying to run sync_members from a php script.  I have a series of
e-mail address in the file /tmp/$groupName that I want to syncronize with
the mailing list $groupName.  My php command is:

system("/usr/local/mailman/bin/sync_members -w=no -f /tmp/$groupName
$groupName");

However, the command does not work correctly when run from my php script.
When I run the previous command from the command line (substituting, of
course, the correct groupName's for the $groupName variables), the command
works correctly, so I know that it is not a problem with the
/tmp/$groupName file.  As well, /usr/local/mailman/locks is writable by
the web server user and group.  Does anybody have a solution to this
problem?

Thanks,

Nick Knouf
Webmaster, music.caltech.edu




From rancherm at bgumail.bgu.ac.il  Mon Sep  9 11:49:12 2002
From: rancherm at bgumail.bgu.ac.il (Ran Chermesh)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:49:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postings appears both as text and as html
Message-ID: <002f01c257e6$28f11ce0$04854884@ran>

Hi,
I'm running a mailman listserv. Whenever I submit a posting, it appears both as a text message and as a html message. How to I limit all submissions in the list to text only? Will this restriction have an impact on submissions of links?

Ran
  
  
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From secure42 at flashmail.com  Mon Sep  9 11:30:59 2002
From: secure42 at flashmail.com (secure42)
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 11:30:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postings appears both as text and as html
References: <002f01c257e6$28f11ce0$04854884@ran>
Message-ID: <3D7C6A53.7010904@flashmail.com>

Look at the FAQ:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.013.htp

Most of these viruses/attachments come in as MIME encoded, so you can 
always use stripmime[1], or demime[2] to get that stuff off of the 
message prior to submitting it to the list. You can go one step further, 
and look into MIMEDefang[3], which does a pletora of things for you. 
There's also Quarantine[4], which will strip out any type of attachments 
to your message. All of these solutions are external to Mailman (in fact 
MIMEDefang hooks into sendmail - if you're running it), so you can 
always end up with "clean" messages going through your list.

     [1] - http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html
     [2] - http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html
     [3] - http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/
     [4] - http://www.johncon.com/john/QuarantineAttachments/

An alternative is a MIME handler patch for mailman itself - see

 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=413752&group_id=103&atid=300103









Ran Chermesh wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm running a mailman listserv. Whenever I submit a posting, it appears 
> both as a text message and as a html message. How to I limit all 
> submissions in the list to text only? Will this restriction have an 
> impact on submissions of links?




From brianr at bjsystems.co.uk  Mon Sep  9 12:21:16 2002
From: brianr at bjsystems.co.uk (Brian Read)
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 11:21:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URL in mailman responses
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020909111919.0257ab40@server01>

where does mailman get the domain name that it uses for the Web/URL/link 
that it puts in the responses, that are mean't to go dstraight to the 
mailman admin web pages?

Can I configure it?

Cheers

Brian

Brian J Read
www.bjsystems.co.uk
www.abandonmicrosoft.co.uk
www.theonlineorganiser.com
www.thepersonalknowledgebase.com
+44 1695 723723





From ac at apala-team.com  Mon Sep  9 14:21:25 2002
From: ac at apala-team.com (Red de Agentes del Cambio)
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 06:21:25 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Virtual Host
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020909061943.00a8c2a0@geod.geonet.de>

Is there anybody who has installed mailman on a virtual Host account. Which 
provider on the common market allows Installation of mailman at a 
reasonable price?

Thanks for your advice





From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Mon Sep  9 15:42:13 2002
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:42:13 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto Subscribe
Message-ID: <001c01c25806$b4d967b0$1c01a8c0@voda>

Is it possible to have users automatically subscribed to my lists? I found
that a lot of people do not understand how to send commands via email, and
it is not possible for people to access my webservers at the moment.
Basically, I would like to create the following scenario.

User sends email to a address I set up.
User gets subscribed to mailing list.

I'm not worried about spoofed addresses, or bouncing addresses, or abuse.
The people this list are for, can just about work thier mobile phones. Any
help would be appreciated.




From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Mon Sep  9 15:58:13 2002
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:58:13 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the default messages.
Message-ID: <001d01c25808$f12f5970$1c01a8c0@voda>

Is it possible to change the default messages that are provided by mailman?
Basically, I want to simplify the instructions ie make them step by step,
and cut out some of the text.




From barry at python.org  Mon Sep  9 16:39:14 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:39:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] strip-mime and aol
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0209070226090.1249-100000@pooh.ASARian.org>
	<200209070924.19542.rhorer@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <15740.45714.408991.632240@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "KR" == Kyle Rhorer <rhorer at swbell.net> writes:

    >> Get real, Rickie, this is the 21st Century, HTML here to
    >> stay. It's called freedom to send email in whatever format I
    >> want.

    KR> And we have the freedom to not read mail in whatever format we
    KR> want.  If you want your mail to have the widest possible
    KR> readership, keep that in mind.

IMO, HTML mail isn't the problem, HTML-only mail is.  I've got no
(major) qualms when a message is sent with multipart/alternative
containing a text/plain and text/html parts.  It's wasteful but oh
well.  At least with alternative parts a list owner or individual mail
recipient can apply their own preferences, rather than being forced to
pass through (for some) unreadable mail or drop kick the whole
message.

-Barry



From barry at python.org  Mon Sep  9 17:24:17 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:24:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems starting mailman!!!
References: <20020907210337.90828.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <15740.48417.467232.883554@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "DS" == David Sammons <sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx> writes:

    |    when i started mailman 2.0.13 i received the next
    | message:

    |    File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 315,
    | in main
    |     print _("Shutting down Mailman's master qrunner")
    | NameError: global name '_' is not defined

    DS>    Any ideas????

That cannot be coming from 2.0.13.  For one thing mailmanctl is a
MM2.1 thing and for another the _() function is only defined in
MM2.1.

-Barry



From william at 25thandClement.com  Mon Sep  9 21:07:11 2002
From: william at 25thandClement.com (William Ahern)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:07:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] command auto-response
Message-ID: <20020909190711.GD2547@25thandClement.com>

how do i disable command auto-response in 2.1b? as it is now, whenever
somebody subscribes, they go thru the regular cookie confirm, but get an
additional email for every command giving the status. i have no use for the
status, and it will give me notheing but grief from people complaining
about these useless (to this particualr audience) messages.

fwiw, i've disabled the feature in the Auto-responder config, but
to no effect.

is this a TODO for the beta? if so, can somebody give me some code pointers
on where to fix this myself?

tia,

Bill



From william at 25thandClement.com  Mon Sep  9 21:09:16 2002
From: william at 25thandClement.com (William Ahern)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:09:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] user@localhost
Message-ID: <20020909190916.GE2547@25thandClement.com>

i have a moderated list (aka _newsletter_ list), and want to use a localhost
e-mail address as the sole unmoderated user so that I can automate the
distribution of the e-mail.

the problem is that 2.1b doesn't except any address w/ a 'localhost' domain.
but, i jave to use localhost, 'cause thats the only address that can't be
spoofed.

any ideas? 

tia,

Bill



From jfraley at glenraven.com  Mon Sep  9 21:15:18 2002
From: jfraley at glenraven.com (Jon Fraley)
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:15:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html headers and footers
Message-ID: <001501c25835$3ccca230$ec5755c6@glenraven.com>

I am looking for a list server that will handle sending html headers and
footers.  I would like for it to be able to accept any message format and
add the headers and footers, I guess it would have to convert the message to
html.  Will mailman handle this task?

Jon Fraley




From camel at lrllamas.com  Mon Sep  9 21:16:12 2002
From: camel at lrllamas.com (Jay S Curtis)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:16:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper posting to list dies "status:1"
Message-ID: <200209091516.12711.camel@lrllamas.com>

Someone remind me how to fix this...
MM 2.1b3/postfix mta
getting this error after what looked like a sucessful upgrade...

-- Command died with status 1:
    "/var/www/mailman/mail/wrapper post camelid"

Medical Fact: Realistic expectation can provide complete relief
from frequent disappointment.

Jay S. Curtis





From rhorer at swbell.net  Mon Sep  9 21:58:26 2002
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 14:58:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] strip-mime and aol
In-Reply-To: <15740.45714.408991.632240@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0209070226090.1249-100000@pooh.ASARian.org>
 <200209070924.19542.rhorer@swbell.net>
 <15740.45714.408991.632240@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <200209091458.26465.rhorer@swbell.net>

On Monday 09 September 2002 09:39, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> IMO, HTML mail isn't the problem, HTML-only mail is.

As far as universal readability goes, you are correct.  However, HTML 
mail can (whether it includes a text/plain part or not) have security 
implications that RFC-compliant (plain text only) mail does not.  Some 
of the security problems include embedded active content and web bugs.  
Some clients let the user disable those "features," but in that case 
the mail becomes about as functional as text/plain and you might as 
well not waste the overhead for HTML.

Kyle



From william at 25thandClement.com  Mon Sep  9 22:17:22 2002
From: william at 25thandClement.com (William Ahern)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:17:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] strip-mime and aol
In-Reply-To: <200209091458.26465.rhorer@swbell.net>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0209070226090.1249-100000@pooh.ASARian.org> <200209070924.19542.rhorer@swbell.net> <15740.45714.408991.632240@anthem.wooz.org> <200209091458.26465.rhorer@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <20020909201722.GA1246@25thandClement.com>

On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 02:58:26PM -0500, Kyle Rhorer wrote:
> On Monday 09 September 2002 09:39, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> > IMO, HTML mail isn't the problem, HTML-only mail is.
> 
> As far as universal readability goes, you are correct.  However, HTML 
> mail can (whether it includes a text/plain part or not) have security 
> implications that RFC-compliant (plain text only) mail does not.  Some 
> of the security problems include embedded active content and web bugs.  
> Some clients let the user disable those "features," but in that case 
> the mail becomes about as functional as text/plain and you might as 
> well not waste the overhead for HTML.
> 
> Kyle

i once read that if you have need of displaying words in bold, blinking hot
pink, you'd be better off taking a writing class.




From joel at webbgroup.net  Mon Sep  9 22:20:48 2002
From: joel at webbgroup.net (Joel Webb)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:20:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RPM'ed version of Mailman
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209091616580.6111-100000@mail.webbgroup.net>

Is there anyway to change the options inside of a RPM'ed version of 
Mailman?? I would like to change the --with-cgi-ext extension.

Please help

I have been trying

rpm --rebuild mailman.rpm <options> 

and

rpm --rebuild <options> mailman.rpm 

with no success. Any suggestions??


-- 
Respectfully,
Joel Webb
WebbGroup Network Systems
www.webbgroup.net
336.841.7241
336.841.6068




From rhorer at swbell.net  Mon Sep  9 22:45:15 2002
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:45:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RPM'ed version of Mailman
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209091616580.6111-100000@mail.webbgroup.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209091616580.6111-100000@mail.webbgroup.net>
Message-ID: <200209091545.15845.rhorer@swbell.net>

On Monday 09 September 2002 15:20, Joel Webb wrote:
> Is there anyway to change the options inside of a RPM'ed version of
> Mailman?? I would like to change the --with-cgi-ext extension.

Install the source rpm, edit the spec file to your liking, then "rpm -bb 
mailman.spec".  You will end up with a binary RPM than you can then 
install.  The advantages of doing the extra work of generating the 
binary RPM are that you can save the RPM off for future use (rebuilding 
the system or installing on an additional system) and the package is 
recorded in the RPM database for easy verification, dependency 
checking,  or uninstallation

Kyle.



From phlin at fcu.edu.tw  Mon Sep  2 11:37:37 2002
From: phlin at fcu.edu.tw (phlin)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:37:37 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please you help me !!
Message-ID: <004801c25264$624d8550$ad18868c@iecsphlin>

Hi:

   I am now install mailman ,but there are some problem when configuation.
Can you help me ?
The Errer is :
  ms1% ./configure
  loading cache ./config.cache
  checking for --with-python... no
  checking for python... /usr/local/bin/python
  checking Python interpreter... /usr/local/bin/python
  checking Python version... 2.2.1
  checking for a BSD compatible install... ./install-sh -c
  checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
  checking for true... /bin/true
  checking for --without-gcc... no
  checking for gcc... gcc
  checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
  checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
  checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
  checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
  checking whether #! works in shell scripts... yes
  checking for --with-var-prefix... no
  checking for --with-username... mailman
  checking for mailman UID... Traceback (most recent call last):
    File "conftest.py", line 1, in ?
      import pwd
    ImportError: No module named pwd
    cat: cannot open conftest.out
     configure: error:
     ***** No "mailman" user found!
     ***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined
     ***** (usually in your /etc/passwd file).  Please see the INSTALL
     ***** file for details.

Note: My system is Solaris 2.8 ,python have installed, and username "mailman" have created , why have the error message !!!

Thanks!!

Ann Lin 
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From thomas at thosmos.com  Mon Sep  2 11:38:51 2002
From: thomas at thosmos.com (Thomas Spellman)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 02:38:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ALLOW_SITE_ADMIN_COOKIES
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020902094555.040d9830@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <NFBBKIANAJADBCJGJCGDKEMODKAA.thomas@thosmos.com>

I've set

ALLOW_SITE_ADMIN_COOKIES = 1

for mailman 2.1b3, but I'm still being prompted for a password at every admin
operation.  Am I missing something?  Cookies worked fine with ver. 2.0.13.

Also, I had to change the permissions on data/aliases and data/aliases.db files to
allow the CGI user to read from the aliases and write to the aliases.db with
postalias after creating a new list from the GUI.  Is this the correct way to do
it?

Thanks

Thomas




From fernan at iib.unsam.edu.ar  Mon Sep  2 23:42:05 2002
From: fernan at iib.unsam.edu.ar (Fernan Aguero)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 18:42:05 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] add to whishlist?
Message-ID: <20020902214205.GD30554@iib.unsam.edu.ar>

I've been reading the wishlist for 3.0 and I wonder if you'll accept
wishes for your wishlist ...

Not that I'll wait for your answer ... here they go:

Once I'm subscribed to a list I'd like to have email commands like:

To request some specific messages:
mailinglist-get.123_145 at domain.com

To get an index with subject and author for some messages:
mailinglist-index.124_456 at domain.com

To get all messages with the same subject as message 12345:
mailinglist-thread.12345 at domain.com

I've seen this examples in a mailing-list run by ezmlm, but upon these
some others ocurred to me:

mailinglist-search.keyword at domain.com
to search for messages containing 'keyword' in its subject (or body).
This could return an index, which could be usable for getting messages
numbers to be used in some of the commands shown above.

Does any of this sound like old stuff that has already been discussed?
I haven't been able to get to nothing similar on the archives.

Thanks,

Fernan

-- 
F e r n a n   A g u e r o
http://genoma.unsam.edu.ar/~fernan



From listen at czernay.com  Wed Sep  4 12:38:46 2002
From: listen at czernay.com (Alexander Czernay)
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 12:38:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install problems
Message-ID: <3D75E2B6.1000203@czernay.com>

Hi there!

I hope I picked the right list. I'm trying to install Mailman on my 
Linux server running SuSE 7.2. I followed the install docs up to "make 
install". That produces the following errors that I don't know how to fix.

Can anyone help me please?

Thanks a lot

Alexander

Creating architecture independent directories...
chmod o-r /home/mailman/archives/private
Creating architecture dependent directories...
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/bin'
for f in digest_arch mmsitepass newlist rmlist add_members list_members 
remove_members clone_member update arch sync_members check_db withlist 
check_perms find_member version move_list config_list list_lists dumpdb; 
\ do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f /home/mailman/bin; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/bin'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/cron'
for f in checkdbs crontab.in mailpasswds senddigests gate_news 
nightly_gzip qrunner bumpdigests; \ do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/cron; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/cron'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/filters'
for f in bowa-strip; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/filters; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/filters'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/misc' /usr/bin/install -c -m 
644 Cookie.py /home/mailman/Mailman /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 *.jpg 
*.png /home/mailman/icons for d in bin cron scripts; \ do \
    dir=/home/mailman/$d; \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 paths.py $dir; \
done
/usr/bin/install -c -m 664 pending_subscriptions.db /home/mailman/data
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/misc'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/Mailman'
for f in *.py; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/Mailman; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/Mailman'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/scripts'
for f in answer_majordomo_mail mailcmd mailowner post driver; \ do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/scripts; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/scripts'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/src'
for f in admin admindb edithtml options listinfo subscribe roster 
handle_opts private; \ do \
    exe=/home/mailman/cgi-bin/$f; \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f $exe; \
    chmod g+s $exe; \
done
for f in wrapper; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f /home/mailman/mail; \
    chmod g+s /home/mailman/mail/$f; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/src'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/templates'
for f in *.html *.txt; \
do \
    mv -f /home/mailman/templates/$f /home/mailman/templates/$f.prev || 
/bin/true; \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/templates; \ done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/templates'






From eba at upsylon.com  Wed Sep  4 12:43:44 2002
From: eba at upsylon.com (Emmanuel Brun d'Aubignosc)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:43:44 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] It works one day then stops working until I reinstall
Message-ID: <1470.212.76.226.107.1031136224.squirrel@mail.upsylon.tv>

Dear Mailman users,

I installed Mailman from sources on a FreeBSD 4.6.2 machine. I installed
the latest version of Python (2.2.1), apache 1.3.26 (with mod_perl,
mod_ssl, php4.2.2) all from sources. I followed all the instructions for
the Mailman installation.

I created 2 lists. One test list and a production list. Both seemed to
work quite well. When a user registered, he got an email for confirmation.
When he posted a message he got an answer saying that it needed to be
approved, when a post on the test list was approved, it was sent to every
one ...

There are about 10 000 emails in the production list. When I do a post to
this list, it seems that it is not delivered to every email address. But
that's not the most important thing. The next day, when I do a post a
message to either list, I don't get any answer and the message is not
added to the pending requests for approval.When I subscribe a new email
address through the "general list info" page, I don't get any confirmation
mail. However, if I add that address manually using the Membership
Management page, I do get a welcome message.

I two words, after a big mailling, users cannot to any postings nor add
their email address to the list and the post hasn't been sent to all
emails, it becomes unusable. I already reinstalled it about 4 or 5 times
and I got the same problems each time.

Thank you for your help





From ceo at fga.net.au  Thu Sep  5 09:24:22 2002
From: ceo at fga.net.au (CEO)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:24:22 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
Message-ID: <000801c254ad$460986a0$0500a8c0@station5>

I am a new user to mailman,Is it possible to do a mass unsubscribe, if so, what do I have to do?

Regards

Rod Drew
CEO Field and Game Australia
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From siegel at prodigy.net.mx  Thu Sep  5 15:35:22 2002
From: siegel at prodigy.net.mx (Jules Siegel)
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 08:35:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Making a one way list
Message-ID: <B99CC7CA.D02C%siegel@prodigy.net.mx>

How do I configure a Mailman list so that it's one way -- that is I can send
mail but subscribers can't reply to the list? Will just setting the reply to
function to specific sender work? Or is there another more secure way to do
this?




From admin at sustainablemeasures.com  Thu Sep  5 22:14:36 2002
From: admin at sustainablemeasures.com (Michele and Sarah)
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:14:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List serve
Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20020905160949.00a7b6c0@pop.theworld.com>

Dear Mailman,

Does your software enable subscribers to respond to the list? Example:  The 
mail list ISIN sent an email to one of it members 
admin at sustainablemeasures.com and everyone else on the list.  Can 
admin at sustainablemeasures respond to the list by hitting reply and answer a 
question that was sent by the list manager?

Thank you for your assistance!

Michele




From william at 25thandClement.com  Fri Sep  6 21:45:54 2002
From: william at 25thandClement.com (William Ahern)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:45:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] command auto-response
Message-ID: <20020906194554.GM4346@25thandClement.com>

How can I disable command auto-responses? For instance, if I have a welcome
mesage going out to people, I don't want them getting two messages, a
welcome and a message saying that their request _succedded_.

TIA,

Bill




From webmaster at fighting.org  Fri Sep  6 20:58:15 2002
From: webmaster at fighting.org (Paul Hopkins)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:58:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] managing members
Message-ID: <003501c255d7$5c17fa00$e045fea9@mycomputer>

Is it possible to change all of my subscribers from digest to plain with one command?

Paul

Martial Arts Resource
Eugene, Oregon
http://www.fighting.org
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From brianr at bjsystems.co.uk  Thu Sep  5 17:38:36 2002
From: brianr at bjsystems.co.uk (Brian Read)
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:38:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web address in confirmation emails
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020905163107.024d30e8@server01>

Hi

It's quiet in here!!

A question - I have installed mailman on my Mitel SMEserver (rehat 7.0, 
Qmail).  Internet connection is via an IpCop box to ADSL.

The DHCP and DNS run in the IpCop box.

Internally my domain is bjsystems.co.uk, but i do not host the web site 
www.bj.... , it is held at my ISP

When a confirmation email arrives from mailman the web link is 
<whatever>.bjsystems.co.uk  I need this to be my dynamic DNS address, not 
the internal domain name, as the <whatever>.bjsystems.co.uk does not 
resolve on my network to the server web page.

I have tried changing the parameter in the General options (Host name this 
list prefers for email), but it does not seem to make any difference to the 
contents of the emails sent out.

TIA

Brian

Brian J Read
www.bjsystems.co.uk
www.abandonmicrosoft.co.uk
www.theonlineorganiser.com
www.thepersonalknowledgebase.com
+44 1695 723723





From lamotted at ozemail.com.au  Sat Sep  7 07:20:48 2002
From: lamotted at ozemail.com.au (David Lamotte)
Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 15:20:48 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message Attachments
Message-ID: <3D798CB0.2A11558D@ozemail.com.au>

Hi,

I am just getting started with Mailman (so please excuse my ignorance), but
I cannot see where you can strip attachments from posts.

What have I missed ?

Thanks
David



From aadish at enet.com.np  Sun Sep  8 14:38:49 2002
From: aadish at enet.com.np (Aadish Shrestha)
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 12:38:49 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qmail config problem
Message-ID: <20020908123849.1541.qmail@danphe.enet.com.np>

Hi

I've installed the latest version of Mailman. I'm using qmail as the MTA
and have configure .qmail-default to use the contrib script
qmail-to-mailman.py. Mailman is installed in /home/mailman and have created
added the domain in rcpthosts as well as virutalhosts.

I get following error is my maillog.


Sep  8 18:20:29 office qmail: 1031488529.095336 delivery 3: deferral:
Uh-oh:_.qmail_has_prog_delivery_but_has_x_bit_set._(#4.7.0)/

aadish.



From animal at animalliberation.com.au  Mon Sep  9 02:27:17 2002
From: animal at animalliberation.com.au (Animal Liberation (WA) Inc.)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 08:27:17 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] large email not being delivered
Message-ID: <00b401c25797$a9db6080$91f6fea9@john>

Hi,
I have installed Mailman on our site last week and it is working pretty well except for a couple of things.

When I receive mail from one group (mail from another bcc list) that I wish to forward to our list (size around 100Kb - with background stationary), I  try to forward it to our list - I get notification to go to pending approvals, I do this and approve it but no email come into anothe account I have that is supposed to receive emails from our list - I have settings so that I do receive my own email posts and size is set to '0' as suggested in help. Smaller messages get through but not these larger ones.

is it the stationary causing the problem, the size, the forwarding from another list or something else??

Also other problem is with Privacy settings - I have it set for postings from members only (but need approval from moderator) but no approval required for some other email addresses - I have entered all relevant fields (and tried differnet combinations of setings) but no mail eventuates ( not even in waiting for approval ) - so only way I can get posting is to leave it set at members only with approval required.

John
ps - I think it's a great program and it is a vast improvement over our old method of manual subcribing and bcc posts with Outlook Express.
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From aadish.shrestha at enet.com.np  Mon Sep  9 09:06:29 2002
From: aadish.shrestha at enet.com.np (Aadish Shrestha)
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 07:06:29 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qmail mailman error.
Message-ID: <20020909070629.481.qmail@danphe.enet.com.np>

I created a test list then sent a mail to test-owner then got following
error in my maillog. What does this mean ?? what should my next step be ?

aadish.

Sep  9 12:47:25 office qmail: 1031554945.954068 status: local 1/10 remote
0/20
Sep  9 12:47:26 office qmail: 1031554946.293691 delivery 46: deferral:
Traceback_(innermost_last):/__File_"/home/mailman/scripts/mailowner",_line_79,_in_?/____main()/__File_"/home/mailman/scripts/mailowner",_line_49,_in_main/____mlist_=_MailList.MailList(listname,_lock=0)/__File_"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py",_line_79,_in___init__/____self.Load()/__File_"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py",_line_892,_in_Load/____dict,_e_=_self.__load(dbfile)/__File_"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py",_line_869,_in___load/____fp_=_open(dbfile)/IOError:_[Errno_13]_Permission_denied:_'/home/mailman/lists/test/config.db'/




From bielacze at walledlake.k12.mi.us  Mon Sep  9 18:37:17 2002
From: bielacze at walledlake.k12.mi.us (Ein Bielaczyc)
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:37:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Archives and Threading
Message-ID: <sd7c960e.031@gwia.walledlake.k12.mi.us>

Ok, its Monday so maybe I'm missing something. I've tried to find the answer to my problem on Google and this list's searchable archives, but I failed to find one so here goes.

I'm using Mailman 2.0.13 on Redhat 7.2, with Apache 2.0.40, Python 2.2.1, and Sendmail 8.11.6. Install was successful and without incident. Overall operation is running smoothly. Message archives are viewable but are not threaded. They all show as a new message.

Now, in my searching I came across something about a "In-Reply-To:" field/line in the message header. I noticed that was non-existent in my replied, would-be threaded, messages. I am testing with a Hotmail, a Yahoo, and a Novell Groupwise account. None of which seem to create this required "In-Reply-To:" line.

Is the In-Reply-To: line requred? Is this a function of the email client, or MTA?

Ein B. :-)




From witt at tux.org  Mon Sep  9 19:42:48 2002
From: witt at tux.org (Andrew Witt)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:42:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto Subscribe
In-Reply-To: <001c01c25806$b4d967b0$1c01a8c0@voda>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209091216100.23608-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Angel Gabriel wrote:

> Is it possible to have users automatically subscribed to my lists?  I
> found that a lot of people do not understand how to send commands via
> email, and it is not possible for people to access my webservers at
> the moment. Basically, I would like to create the following scenario.
>
> User sends email to a address I set up.
> User gets subscribed to mailing list.

I see two options for you.  Both involve hooking up a program to a mail
alias, (e.g., a "|/path/program" alias under sendmail) which I am going to
assume you know how to do for the MTA you are running.  Both also involve
having the program extract the From: address out of the incoming message.
The first option is to have the program kick off Mailman's own add_members
tool and supply the extracted address; the second is to have the program
generate a new e-mail containing the appropriate subscription command.

The first option could be tricky, depending on what kind of system you are
running, and how permissions and privileges are controlled.  And, no
matter what, it may be ill-advised.  The user that runs mail-enabled
programs is supposed to be relatively un-privileged, since mail is a
service that is exposed to the outside; the ability to run the Mailman
tools is supposed to be relatively privileged, since they are used to
access Mailman databases in an administrative role.  Bridging the gap is
asking for trouble.

The second option is much safer ... but will require that the end users be
able to understand and respond appropriately to a confirmation message at
least.  (Which maybe they can do, even if they cannot understand the
Mailman e-mail commands, since they just need to reply to the confirmation
message.)  Below is a Perl program that, when hooked up to a mail alias,
will do this.  Please be sure to edit the first few lines for your
location of Perl, appropriate e-mail addresses, your MTA's command line,
and the path to the log file.

(Note that the program exits with "0" even when there is an error; you
want to return "0" to the MTA that calls this program, so that it believes
that all went well; otherwise it will return an NDR that the end user is
likely to think of as completely arcane.  Its your responsibility to keep
tabs on the log file.  Also note that the program does not conform
perfectly to RFC-2822; among other things, it assumes a single mailbox in
the From: field.  But it should work for all typical situations.)

> I'm not worried about spoofed addresses, or bouncing addresses, or
> abuse. The people this list are for, can just about work thier mobile
> phones. Any help would be appreciated.

Are you -sure- you want to do this?  If you are not worried about spoofing
or abuse, you either have a small number of interested parties, or you
will personally be in touch with everyone who would sign up.  (In other
words, if you are not worried about attacks, it must also be that you are
not expecting or allowing word to spread among the public in general that
your mailing list is available).  Either way, you might just be better of
having the people send mail to -your- address, and -you- add them to the
list.  Same effect; fewer worries.

If the reason you want an automated process is because you expect a large
or wide-spread number of sign-ups, you -need- to worry about spoofing,
bounced e-mails, and abuses.

(Then again, it occurs to me that this might be for internal use at a
large company, in which case, the auto-subscribe alias does not need to be
exposed to the general public.  Still ... most attacks (speaking of
computer attacks in general) come from the inside, and its not like
hackers and vandals are never hired by established corporations ...)

Hope all of that helps; the code is below

Regards,
- Andrew

    ----------------------------------------------------------------
                 Automation does not happen by itself.


#!/usr/bin/perl

$mailCmnd     = '/usr/sbin/sendmail -t';
$addrCmndFrom = 'USER at DOMAIN';
$addrCmndTo   = 'LISTNAME-request at DOMAIN';

$dateLog = `date "+%Y-%m"`; chomp( $dateLog );
$fileLog = "/tmp/auto-subscribe.log.$dateLog";

# Pull in message; keep certain header lines; keep message body.
$msgBody = "";
$msgHeaders = "";
$flagStartBody = 0;
while ($lineIn = <STDIN>)
    {
    chomp( $lineIn );

    if ($flagStartBody == 1)
        { $msgBody .= "$lineIn\n"; next; }

    if ($lineIn =~ /^$/)
        { $flagStartBody = 1; next; }

    if ($lineIn =~ /^From: +.*?\b(\S+\@\S+)\b/)
        { $addrFrom = "\L$1"; }

    $msgHeaders .= "$lineIn\n";
    }

if (! defined( $addrFrom ))
    {
    &LogEvent( "could not determine From: address" );
    exit( 0 );
    }

&LogEvent( "message from : $addrFrom" );

# Build a message to send.
$msgHeadNew  = "From: $addrCmndFrom\n";
$msgHeadNew .= "To: $addrCmndTo\n";
$msgHeadNew .= "Subject: auto-subscribe\n";
$msgHeadNew .= "\n";

$msgBodyNew  = "subscribe address=$addrFrom\n";
$msgBodyNew .= "end\n";

# Mail out the message.
open( MAILER, "| $mailCmnd" );
print( MAILER $msgHeadNew );
print( MAILER $msgBodyNew );
close( MAILER );

exit( 0 );

sub LogEvent
    {
    local $strEvent = $_[0];

    if (open( FILELOG, ">> $fileLog" ))
        {
        $datetime = `date "+%Y %m %d %T"`;
        chomp( $datetime );
        print( FILELOG "$datetime - $strEvent\n" );
        close( FILELOG );
        }
    }




From mpike at nnmcmed.ihs.gov  Mon Sep  9 23:33:41 2002
From: mpike at nnmcmed.ihs.gov (Michael Pike)
Date: 09 Sep 2002 15:33:41 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please you help me !!
In-Reply-To: <004801c25264$624d8550$ad18868c@iecsphlin>
References: <004801c25264$624d8550$ad18868c@iecsphlin>
Message-ID: <1031607222.3827.87.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Simple...

as root... go to your shell and type:

adduser mailman

thats it.


On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 03:37, phlin wrote:
> Hi:
> 
>    I am now install mailman ,but there are some problem when configuation.
> Can you help me ?
> The Errer is :
>   ms1% ./configure
>   loading cache ./config.cache
>   checking for --with-python... no
>   checking for python... /usr/local/bin/python
>   checking Python interpreter... /usr/local/bin/python
>   checking Python version... 2.2.1
>   checking for a BSD compatible install... ./install-sh -c
>   checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
>   checking for true... /bin/true
>   checking for --without-gcc... no
>   checking for gcc... gcc
>   checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
>   checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
>   checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
>   checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
>   checking whether #! works in shell scripts... yes
>   checking for --with-var-prefix... no
>   checking for --with-username... mailman
>   checking for mailman UID... Traceback (most recent call last):
>     File "conftest.py", line 1, in ?
>       import pwd
>     ImportError: No module named pwd
>     cat: cannot open conftest.out
>      configure: error:
>      ***** No "mailman" user found!
>      ***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined
>      ***** (usually in your /etc/passwd file).  Please see the INSTALL
>      ***** file for details.
> 
> Note: My system is Solaris 2.8 ,python have installed, and username "mailman" have created , why have the error message !!!
> 
> Thanks!!
> 
> Ann Lin 
-- 
Michael Pike
Northern Navajo Medical Center
Information Techonology Development
505-368-6062
The NNMC E-Series - Perfecting Healthcare Information Technology
http://eseries.ihs.gov











From mpike at nnmcmed.ihs.gov  Mon Sep  9 23:37:36 2002
From: mpike at nnmcmed.ihs.gov (Michael Pike)
Date: 09 Sep 2002 15:37:36 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please you help me !!
In-Reply-To: <1031607222.3827.87.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <004801c25264$624d8550$ad18868c@iecsphlin> 
	<1031607222.3827.87.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1031607459.3059.89.camel@localhost.localdomain>

ooops... nevermind.

i didnt finish reading your message... you already created the
account...

i'll shut up now.
mike


On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 15:33, Michael Pike wrote:
> Simple...
> 
> as root... go to your shell and type:
> 
> adduser mailman
> 
> thats it.
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 03:37, phlin wrote:
> > Hi:
> > 
> >    I am now install mailman ,but there are some problem when configuation.
> > Can you help me ?
> > The Errer is :
> >   ms1% ./configure
> >   loading cache ./config.cache
> >   checking for --with-python... no
> >   checking for python... /usr/local/bin/python
> >   checking Python interpreter... /usr/local/bin/python
> >   checking Python version... 2.2.1
> >   checking for a BSD compatible install... ./install-sh -c
> >   checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
> >   checking for true... /bin/true
> >   checking for --without-gcc... no
> >   checking for gcc... gcc
> >   checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
> >   checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
> >   checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
> >   checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
> >   checking whether #! works in shell scripts... yes
> >   checking for --with-var-prefix... no
> >   checking for --with-username... mailman
> >   checking for mailman UID... Traceback (most recent call last):
> >     File "conftest.py", line 1, in ?
> >       import pwd
> >     ImportError: No module named pwd
> >     cat: cannot open conftest.out
> >      configure: error:
> >      ***** No "mailman" user found!
> >      ***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined
> >      ***** (usually in your /etc/passwd file).  Please see the INSTALL
> >      ***** file for details.
> > 
> > Note: My system is Solaris 2.8 ,python have installed, and username "mailman" have created , why have the error message !!!
> > 
> > Thanks!!
> > 
> > Ann Lin 
> -- 
> Michael Pike
> Northern Navajo Medical Center
> Information Techonology Development
> 505-368-6062
> The NNMC E-Series - Perfecting Healthcare Information Technology
> http://eseries.ihs.gov
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
-- 
Michael Pike
Northern Navajo Medical Center
Information Techonology Development
505-368-6062
The NNMC E-Series - Perfecting Healthcare Information Technology
http://eseries.ihs.gov











From george.crum at webwarecorp.com  Mon Sep  9 23:53:19 2002
From: george.crum at webwarecorp.com (George Crum)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:53:19 -0700 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please you help me !!
Message-ID: <9730220255E1D5118BD200065B040BF00109C1@exch.webwarecorp.com>

Hi,
This is the same problem I just had.  Here's what could be your problem.
This is copy and pasted from a recent email from Richard.

>This looks line a python installation problem and not a Mailman specific 
>problem.
>
>pwd is a standard python module used to access the password database on 
>Unix systems and the error message you are getting is python saying that 
>the module cannot be imported.
>
>You can confirm (or deny) this proposition by running python from the 
>command line and trying to use pwd. For instance on my test system I get:
>
>[testsys!/u/barrett]:python
>Python 1.5.2 (#12, Oct 15 1999, 16:24:36) [C] on sunos5
>Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam
> >>> import pwd
> >>> pwd.getpwnam('barrett')
>('barrett', 'x', 500, 101, 'Richard Barrett', '/u/barrett', 
>'/usr/local/bin/bash')
> >>> pwd.getpwnam('mailman')
>('mailman', 'x', 601, 601, 'Mailman Maillist Manager account', 
>'/u/mailman', '/usr/local/bin/bash')
> >>>
>
>If you get an import failure after typing the import pwd line then you need

>to look to your python installation for the problem.



- George Crum





From dan.mick at sun.com  Tue Sep 10 00:00:27 2002
From: dan.mick at sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:00:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Archives and Threading
Message-ID: <200209092200.g89M0jqY024962@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> Ok, its Monday so maybe I'm missing something. I've tried to find the answer 
to my problem on Google and this list's searchable archives, but I failed to 
find one so here goes.
> 
> I'm using Mailman 2.0.13 on Redhat 7.2, with Apache 2.0.40, Python 2.2.1, and 
Sendmail 8.11.6. Install was successful and without incident. Overall operation 
is running smoothly. Message archives are viewable but are not threaded. They 
all show as a new message.
> 
> Now, in my searching I came across something about a "In-Reply-To:" field/line 
in the message header. I noticed that was non-existent in my replied, would-be 
threaded, messages. I am testing with a Hotmail, a Yahoo, and a Novell Groupwise 
account. None of which seem to create this required "In-Reply-To:" line.
> 
> Is the In-Reply-To: line requred? Is this a function of the email client, or 
MTA?
> 
> Ein B. :-)

Never been 100% clear on this either, but:  

1) looks like the code uses In-Reply-To: or References:
2) yes, it has to be the email client that adds the header, and not
   all do
3) mine often don't work right either and I've never spent the time to
   figure out just what's wrong (if it's just a bunch of email clients
   that do it wrong or not at all, or if there's a bug).




From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Tue Sep 10 00:17:18 2002
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:17:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto Subscribe
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209091216100.23608-100000@gwyn.tux.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0209091514450.6722-100000@gort.cjb.net>

On Sep 9, 2002 at 13:42, Andrew Witt wrote:

>On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Angel Gabriel wrote:
>> User sends email to a address I set up.
>> User gets subscribed to mailing list.
>I see two options for you.  Both involve hooking up a program to a mail

Or just see the FAQ, it's all answered. Basically says use my hack at
http://satya.virtualave.net/download.html#mailmanw

Slightly more streamlined than Andrew Witt's method, but also requires
a confirmation reply, I dunno if your subscribers will understand it.
I *think* confirmations can be turned off, but the process is
non-trivial.

-- 
Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
Sigmentation fault.




From mailman at tux.org  Tue Sep 10 00:29:25 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:29:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Making a one way list
In-Reply-To: <B99CC7CA.D02C%siegel@prodigy.net.mx>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209091818180.27837-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Jules Siegel wrote:

> How do I configure a Mailman list so that it's one way -- that is I
> can send mail but subscribers can't reply to the list? Will just
> setting the reply to function to specific sender work? Or is there
> another more secure way to do this?

One option would be to make the list moderated and only approve your
own postings.  Another option would be to set member_posting_only to 'no'
and then list yourself as the only address allowed to post.  For
reference, from the 'Details' of the 'poster' option (under Privacy):

    Adding entries here will have one of two effects, according to
    whether another option restricts posting to members.

    - If member_posting_only is 'yes', then entries added here will
      have posting privilege in addition to list members.
    - If member_posting_only is 'no', then only the posters listed
      here will be able to post without admin approval.

Setting the Reply-To function will not do what you want, because that
really is just a short-cut that more or less encourages replies to
go a certain way:  Anyone is free to simply change the To, and CC values
after hitting reply ... or just compose a message from scratch, addressed
to your list.

Hope that helps.

- Andrew

  ----------------------------------------------------------------
  Mailman Administrator   -   http://www.tux.org/mailman/listinfo/




From davin at pacifier.com  Tue Sep 10 00:37:05 2002
From: davin at pacifier.com (Davin Dahlgren)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:37:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't access web pages
Message-ID: <016201c25851$788ff210$3201a8c0@DAVIN>

I have Mailman installed and I have tried to create a test list, but the
URLs give me a forbidden error message when I try to visit them. I have
looked for them to try to check the permissions on the
directories/files, but I can't seem to find them anywhere. Where should
I be looking for the web files? Do I need to create them myself at the
specified URLs or does Mailman create them itself?

Davin




From davin at pacifier.com  Tue Sep 10 00:40:23 2002
From: davin at pacifier.com (Davin Dahlgren)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:40:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail server configuration
Message-ID: <016301c25851$e56cc020$3201a8c0@DAVIN>

I know this isn't strictly related to Mailman, but if anyone out there
knows the answer, let me know. I am setting up a new Linux installation
and have directed a domain name to point to it. I can pull up my web
page from the web server, but email does not get through. I can send
email out, but it does not get back in. Does anyone know what else I
need to do to get this server set up and ready for Mailman to receive
mail?

 

Thanks,

Davin

 

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From william at 25thandClement.com  Tue Sep 10 00:48:54 2002
From: william at 25thandClement.com (William Ahern)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:48:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Making a one way list
In-Reply-To: <B99CC7CA.D02C%siegel@prodigy.net.mx>
References: <B99CC7CA.D02C%siegel@prodigy.net.mx>
Message-ID: <20020909224854.GA28967@25thandClement.com>

On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 08:35:22AM -0500, Jules Siegel wrote:
> How do I configure a Mailman list so that it's one way -- that is I can send
> mail but subscribers can't reply to the list? Will just setting the reply to
> function to specific sender work? Or is there another more secure way to do
> this?

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.11



From thomasdye56 at hotmail.com  Tue Sep 10 00:51:19 2002
From: thomasdye56 at hotmail.com (hotmail user)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:51:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
References: <000801c254ad$460986a0$0500a8c0@station5>
Message-ID: <OE160hIQFBROH4TKbmL0000804a@hotmail.com>

Log in to:
[ List Administration | Membership Management ]
Membership List ...

"UN"check the boxes under "subscr" column,
corresponding to each member you want to nuke; then:
[ Submit Your Changes ].

All members corresponding to the boxes you unchecked will be
unsubscribed enmass. 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: CEO 
  To: mailman-users at python.org 
  Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 3:24 AM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help


  I am a new user to mailman,Is it possible to do a mass unsubscribe, if so, what do I have to do?

  Regards

  Rod Drew
  CEO Field and Game Australia
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From gmills at library.berkeley.edu  Tue Sep 10 01:04:56 2002
From: gmills at library.berkeley.edu (Garey Mills)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:04:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing messages held for moderation
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10209091601550.28872-100000@library.berkeley.edu>

Hi -

	As instructions for editing messages held for moderation, Mailman
includes this text:

Turn on the Forward to option, and fill in the forwarding address if you
want to forward the message to someone else not on the list. To edit a
held message before it is sent on to the list, you should forward the
message to yourself (or the list owners), and discard the original
message. Then, when the message shows up in your mailbox, make your edits
and resend the message to the list, including an Approved: header with the
list password as its value. It is proper netiquette in this case to
include a note in the resent message, explaining that you have modified
the text. 


	When it says to "include an Approved: header", does it mean to put
the literal text "Approved:" with a password into the Subject line, or do
they really mean to create an "Approved:" header, and how would one do
that?


Garey Mills
Library Systems Office
UC Berkeley




From support at cprg.biz  Tue Sep 10 01:07:06 2002
From: support at cprg.biz (Web Support)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:07:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
References: <000801c254ad$460986a0$0500a8c0@station5>
Message-ID: <023301c25855$9fc7c890$bcc92c44@unknown>

Log in to:
[ List Administration | Membership Management ]
Membership List ...

"UN"check the boxes under "subscr" column,
corresponding to each member you want to nuke; then:
[ Submit Your Changes ].

All members corresponding to the boxes you unchecked will be
unsubscribed enmass.

----- Original Message -----
From: CEO
To: mailman-users at python.org
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 3:24 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help


I am a new user to mailman,Is it possible to do a mass unsubscribe, if so,
what do I have to do?

Regards

Rod Drew
CEO Field and Game Australia





From cwieland at uci.edu  Tue Sep 10 01:10:14 2002
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:10:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] implicit destination error
Message-ID: <4C6307FE-C449-11D6-9B31-000393012174@uci.edu>

Hello

I get the following error:


Blind carbon copies or other implicit destinations are not allowed.  Try
reposting your message by explicitly including the list address in the 
To: or
Cc: fields.


But when I look at the headers the list name is in the to: field. Any 
ideas

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From secure42 at flashmail.com  Tue Sep 10 01:49:29 2002
From: secure42 at flashmail.com (secure42)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:49:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message Attachments
References: <3D798CB0.2A11558D@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <3D7D3389.5080508@flashmail.com>


You have the answer in the FAQ

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#4.13



David Lamotte wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am just getting started with Mailman (so please excuse my ignorance), but
> I cannot see where you can strip attachments from posts.
> 
> What have I missed ?
> 
> Thanks
> David
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> 




From markgill at greatbooks.org  Tue Sep 10 03:15:46 2002
From: markgill at greatbooks.org (Mark Gillingham)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:15:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejected Confirmation Requests
Message-ID: <D5678032-C45A-11D6-8C0D-0030653D7320@greatbooks.org>

I fear that some potential list members are unable to get confirmation 
requests  through. I've verified that I can subscribe and unsubscribe 
from 3 of my accounts, but on a fourth (at yahoo) I cannot confirm my 
subscription. Instead, I get the following information in my mallog:

Sep  9 19:31:28 gbf1 sendmail[3672]: g8A0VRx03672: tcpwrappers 
(web20405.mail.yahoo.com, 66.163.169.93) rejection

Sep  9 19:31:28 gbf1 sendmail[3672]: NOQUEUE: web20405.mail.yahoo.com 
[66.163.169.93] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to 
MTA

How should I set the sendmail configuration to accept these messages? 
Is this hosts.allow or sendmail.cf? I still get confused.

Mark 




From brian at pro-phile.com  Tue Sep 10 03:49:34 2002
From: brian at pro-phile.com (Brian Teal)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:49:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Could not acquire qrunner lock
In-Reply-To: <20020501023402.2772.5942.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <000001c2586c$50e125c0$0200a8c0@ddr>

I've had some terrible Mailman performance lately, I am running two
mailing lists off of a Unix box, and I have been looking through the
files and found a lot of what is listed below, could this be a problem?
List posts are sometimes showing up and most of the time not. So I'm
trying to track it down.

Sep 02 10:53:04 2002 (6890) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 02 10:54:04 2002 (7065) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 02 10:55:05 2002 (7252) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 02 11:03:05 2002 (8661) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 02 11:04:04 2002 (8759) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 02 11:05:06 2002 (8991) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 02 12:02:04 2002 (18344) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 02 13:07:03 2002 (28184) Unlinking orphaned .db file:
/home/mailman/qfiles/001b6903fc7ad5bdcdfa930711200d5a1306e7$
Sep 02 13:08:03 2002 (28407) Exception reading qfile:
/home/mailman/qfiles/001b6903fc7ad5bdcdfa930711200d5a1306e7af
[Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/home/mailman/qfiles/001b6903fc7ad5bdcdfa930711200d5a1306e7af.db'
Sep 02 13:09:04 2002 (28540) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 02 13:10:06 2002 (28747) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 02 13:11:04 2002 (28872) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 02 13:12:04 2002 (29044) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 02 13:13:06 2002 (29261) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 02 13:14:04 2002 (29488) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 02 13:15:06 2002 (29619) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 02 13:16:03 2002 (29872) Exception reading qfile:
/home/mailman/qfiles/001b6903fc7ad5bdcdfa930711200d5a1306e7af
[Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/home/mailman/qfiles/001b6903fc7ad5bdcdfa930711200d5a1306e7af.db'
Sep 02 13:17:03 2002 (29982) Exception reading qfile:
/home/mailman/qfiles/001b6903fc7ad5bdcdfa930711200d5a1306e7af
[Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/home/mailman/qfiles/001b6903fc7ad5bdcdfa930711200d5a1306e7af.db'
Sep 02 13:18:04 2002 (30155) Exception reading qfile:
/home/mailman/qfiles/001b6903fc7ad5bdcdfa930711200d5a1306e7af
[Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/home/mailman/qfiles/001b6903fc7ad5bdcdfa930711200d5a1306e7af.db'
Sep 02 13:19:03 2002 (30298) Exception reading qfile:
/home/mailman/qfiles/001b6903fc7ad5bdcdfa930711200d5a1306e7af
[Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/home/mailman/qfiles/001b6903fc7ad5bdcdfa930711200d5a1306e7af.db'





From chris at krc.org.uk  Mon Sep  9 21:43:50 2002
From: chris at krc.org.uk (Chris Robinson)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:43:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Correcting an email address
Message-ID: <010f01c25839$3afaf2a0$6be0fea9@tcs21>

Hi All

On my admin page I have an email address to chris at tcs03.  It need to be chris at tcs03.triumphant.co.uk.  Can anyone tell me how to change it,  please?

Thank you for all of you responded to my first post.  I am looking to change the email address on the page that displays all the lists.  I  have been able to change the email for the individual lists.

My page is:    http://triumphcomputers.com/mailman/admin 

Regards

Chris Robinson
Triumph Computer Systems Ltd
139A High Street, Hornchurch
Essex   RM11 3YD
web: http://www.triumphant.co.uk
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From ssharma at odc.net  Tue Sep 10 07:29:38 2002
From: ssharma at odc.net (Ajay Sharma)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:29:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member info in a SQL database?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209092228200.5237-100000@centauri.odc.net>

I'm sorry, I haven't been following the development of mailman 2.1 but I 
just wanted to know if the membership info can be stored in a SQL 
database yet?  

Thanks,
Ajay

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From greg at gregwestin.com  Tue Sep 10 08:11:55 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 02:11:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] launching mailmanctl
Message-ID: <49241.140.247.183.54.1031638315.squirrel@webmail.harvardslacker.com>

I'm using Mailman 2.1 on OS X, and wrote a script to start mailmanctl on
startup, but it doesn't seem to be working.  I have to manually start it
with the -s flag later... what does mailmanctl require to start?  Maybe I
need to have it run at the end of the startup process?

Thanks,

Greg

-- 
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http://www.gregwestin.com
Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php





From mailman at tux.org  Tue Sep 10 09:54:06 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 03:54:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Could not acquire qrunner lock
In-Reply-To: <000001c2586c$50e125c0$0200a8c0@ddr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209100346370.19519-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

I have seen a similar situation on my installation of Mailman.  The
key is the repetition of the one message in your qrunner log.  An
easy way to fix this is to mv

  /home/mailman/qfiles/001b6903fc7ad5bdcdfa930711200d5a1306e7af*

aside (into another directory, that is) (or just rm if you don't care
about what that message might be).  Things should improve considerably
once you do this.

- Andrew

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On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Brian Teal wrote:

> I've had some terrible Mailman performance lately, I am running two
> mailing lists off of a Unix box, and I have been looking through the
> files and found a lot of what is listed below, could this be a problem?
> List posts are sometimes showing up and most of the time not. So I'm
> trying to track it down.
>
> Sep 02 10:53:04 2002 (6890) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Sep 02 10:54:04 2002 (7065) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Sep 02 10:55:05 2002 (7252) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Sep 02 11:03:05 2002 (8661) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Sep 02 11:04:04 2002 (8759) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Sep 02 11:05:06 2002 (8991) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Sep 02 12:02:04 2002 (18344) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Sep 02 13:07:03 2002 (28184) Unlinking orphaned .db file:
> /home/mailman/qfiles/001b6903fc7ad5bdcdfa930711200d5a1306e7$
> Sep 02 13:08:03 2002 (28407) Exception reading qfile:
> /home/mailman/qfiles/001b6903fc7ad5bdcdfa930711200d5a1306e7af
> [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
> '/home/mailman/qfiles/001b6903fc7ad5bdcdfa930711200d5a1306e7af.db'
> Sep 02 13:09:04 2002 (28540) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Sep 02 13:10:06 2002 (28747) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Sep 02 13:11:04 2002 (28872) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Sep 02 13:12:04 2002 (29044) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Sep 02 13:13:06 2002 (29261) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Sep 02 13:14:04 2002 (29488) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Sep 02 13:15:06 2002 (29619) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Sep 02 13:16:03 2002 (29872) Exception reading qfile:
> /home/mailman/qfiles/001b6903fc7ad5bdcdfa930711200d5a1306e7af
> [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
> '/home/mailman/qfiles/001b6903fc7ad5bdcdfa930711200d5a1306e7af.db'
> Sep 02 13:17:03 2002 (29982) Exception reading qfile:
> /home/mailman/qfiles/001b6903fc7ad5bdcdfa930711200d5a1306e7af
> [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
> '/home/mailman/qfiles/001b6903fc7ad5bdcdfa930711200d5a1306e7af.db'
> Sep 02 13:18:04 2002 (30155) Exception reading qfile:
> /home/mailman/qfiles/001b6903fc7ad5bdcdfa930711200d5a1306e7af
> [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
> '/home/mailman/qfiles/001b6903fc7ad5bdcdfa930711200d5a1306e7af.db'
> Sep 02 13:19:03 2002 (30298) Exception reading qfile:
> /home/mailman/qfiles/001b6903fc7ad5bdcdfa930711200d5a1306e7af
> [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
> '/home/mailman/qfiles/001b6903fc7ad5bdcdfa930711200d5a1306e7af.db'




From MJ2 at percomp.de  Tue Sep 10 11:53:08 2002
From: MJ2 at percomp.de (Matthias =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jänichen?=)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:53:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administartiva: MailDelays
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020910115024.02568d10@pop3.percomp.de>

Hi!

What is the reason, that some e-mails get delayed  for days in this list?

>Received: from mail.python.org (12.155.117.29)
>   by gateway.percomp.de with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 21:54:43 -0000
>Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=mail.python.org)
>         by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05)
>         id 17oWEW-0000pK-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:38:12 -0400
>Received: from 100.132.241.212.adsl.nextra.co.uk ([212.241.132.100] 
>helo=bjsystems.co.uk)
>         by mail.python.org with smtp (Exim 4.05)
>         id 17myiY-0008Bj-00
>         for mailman-users at python.org; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 11:38:50 -0400
>Received: (qmail 17256 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 15:38:43 -0000
>Received: from unknown (HELO brian.bjsystems.co.uk) (192.168.3.15)
>   by server01.bjsystems.co.uk (192.168.3.2) with ESMTP; 05 Sep 2002 
> 15:38:43 -0000
>Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020905163107.024d30e8 at server01>

This always mixes up my date-sorted archive!

Reg.




From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Tue Sep 10 13:03:48 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 04:03:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mail server configuration
In-Reply-To: <016301c25851$e56cc020$3201a8c0@DAVIN>
References: <016301c25851$e56cc020$3201a8c0@DAVIN>
Message-ID: <20020910110348.GB4873@hq.newdream.net>

Davin Dahlgren wrote:

> I know this isn't strictly related to Mailman, but if anyone out there
> knows the answer, let me know. I am setting up a new Linux installation
> and have directed a domain name to point to it. I can pull up my web
> page from the web server, but email does not get through. I can send
> email out, but it does not get back in. Does anyone know what else I
> need to do to get this server set up and ready for Mailman to receive
> mail?

You'd be more likely to get information if you let us know what MTA
you're using, what variety of Linux you're using, etc.

Also, I think you will find that your logs can be very useful in terms
of figuring out what the problem is....

And, of course, you should make sure that your MTA is listening on the
external interfaces.....

Just making a guess, but if you're running Dead rat linux with Sendmail
as the MTA, you'll probably need to reconfigure Sendmail to listen on
the main interface - IIRC, by default it only listens on the loopback
interface.

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk  Tue Sep 10 13:28:50 2002
From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 10 Sep 2002 12:28:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administartiva: MailDelays
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020910115024.02568d10@pop3.percomp.de>
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020910115024.02568d10@pop3.percomp.de>
Message-ID: <1031657332.2046.26.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 10:53, Matthias J?nichen wrote:
> What is the reason, that some e-mails get delayed  for days in this list?

I would guess that the person sending the original mail was not
subscribed to the list at the time of sending.  The mail was therefore
held for moderation, and since the moderators have real jobs/lives/etc
the moderation didn't happen for a couple of days.

Just to be really annoying that message was actually duplicated - I
assume the sender got the message held for moderation notification, and
then he subscribed and sent the message again.

These things happen.  You could always order on original send date
rather than reception date - ordering will get very confused if you have
a mail outage for a while and your mail then turns up in one great
burst.

	Nigel.
-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham           Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ]
[ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ]




From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Tue Sep 10 15:16:35 2002
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:16:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating a list...
Message-ID: <000101c258cc$4a476200$1c01a8c0@voda>

I have about 3k emaill addresses, that I want to put on a mailman list.
These have been collated from a web form, and are stored in a txt file, one
after the other. I attempted to add them via the web interface, but that
seemed to mess up mailman, until I removed the list. Is there any other way
to add the addresses?




From mailman at tux.org  Tue Sep 10 17:20:46 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:20:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating a list...
In-Reply-To: <000101c258cc$4a476200$1c01a8c0@voda>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209101118060.14105-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Angel Gabriel wrote:

> I have about 3k emaill addresses, that I want to put on a mailman
> list. These have been collated from a web form, and are stored in a
> txt file, one after the other. I attempted to add them via the web
> interface, but that seemed to mess up mailman, until I removed the
> list. Is there any other way to add the addresses?

Certainly: the add_members utility in the bin directory of your Mailman
installation.  Do "add_members -h" for notes on the syntax.  You will
find many useful things in that bin directory; it is well worth it to
take the time to poke around and become familiar with them.

- Andrew

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From demeler at bioc09.v19.uthscsa.edu  Tue Sep 10 17:37:25 2002
From: demeler at bioc09.v19.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:37:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] e-mail subscription interface
Message-ID: <200209101537.g8AFbQOE013492@bioc09.v19.uthscsa.edu>

Hi,

I am trying to figure out how to subscribe to a test list I have set up
using e-mail, not the web interface to mailman.

I sent an e-mail command like this:

mail mailman
Subject: subscribe
subscribe test nodigest address=user at domain

(test is the listname)
but it just sits in the mailman spool directory and is not processed.

1. is my syntax incorrect?
2. if not, where should I start looking?

I am using Mailman 2.1b3

Thanks! -Borries



From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Sep 10 18:43:21 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:43:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administartiva: MailDelays 
In-Reply-To: Message from Matthias =?iso-8859-1?Q?J nichen?= <MJ2@percomp.de> 
   of "Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:53:08 +0200." <5.1.1.6.0.20020910115024.02568d10@pop3.percomp.de> 
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020910115024.02568d10@pop3.percomp.de> 
Message-ID: <1762.1031676201@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:53:08 +0200 
MJ2  <Matthias> wrote:

> What is the reason, that some e-mails get delayed for days in
> this list?

Moderation.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From jjohnson at umn.edu  Tue Sep 10 20:56:56 2002
From: jjohnson at umn.edu (Jeffrey M. Johnson)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:56:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Couple of Questions
Message-ID: <027e01c258fb$d5dcad00$47626580@kermit1>

I have an individual who moderatored about a dozen lists who is changing
positions and is no longer going to moderate these lists.  Is there any
tools that I can use that will scan all the Databases and tell me which
lists they moderate or produce just the moderators for the lists with a
single command.

Some individuals who are subscribed to our lists have long E-mail addresses
First.M.Lastname-1 at server.domain.edu

No matter how I have set up the lists I am required to approve their
messages.  Any thoughts?
Lists Posting limited to members only.

Thanks
Jeff





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Sep 10 21:49:27 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 10 Sep 2002 15:49:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating a list...
In-Reply-To: <000101c258cc$4a476200$1c01a8c0@voda>
References: <000101c258cc$4a476200$1c01a8c0@voda>
Message-ID: <1031687368.5277.32.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Just add the email addresses, one per line, with a return after each
address.  Don't add full names or brackets or any other junk. Add *only*
the email address. This is a good list:
  littlebear at pbs.org
  papabear at middleforest.com
  bearnakedladies at recordstore.com

Any in this list are bad:
  Theodore Cleaver<beaver at stuckn50.com>
  leo at busybeaverconst.com [Leo George]
  <webeavers at zoo.org>
  "longtooth at damnbuilders.org"

Hope this helps.

Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 09:16, Angel Gabriel wrote:
> I have about 3k emaill addresses, that I want to put on a mailman list.
> These have been collated from a web form, and are stored in a txt file, one
> after the other. I attempted to add them via the web interface, but that
> seemed to mess up mailman, until I removed the list. Is there any other way
> to add the addresses?
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Sep 10 21:58:07 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 10 Sep 2002 15:58:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Couple of Questions
In-Reply-To: <027e01c258fb$d5dcad00$47626580@kermit1>
References: <027e01c258fb$d5dcad00$47626580@kermit1>
Message-ID: <1031687887.5277.35.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

We wrote a script to do that last year sometime.  It should be in the
Archives of this mailing list.

It dumped out the moderators for each list.  Then you simply grep for
the email address you are looking for.

Jon Carnes
===
On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 14:56, Jeffrey M. Johnson wrote:
> I have an individual who moderatored about a dozen lists who is changing
> positions and is no longer going to moderate these lists.  Is there any
> tools that I can use that will scan all the Databases and tell me which
> lists they moderate or produce just the moderators for the lists with a
> single command.
> 
> Some individuals who are subscribed to our lists have long E-mail addresses
> First.M.Lastname-1 at server.domain.edu
> 
> No matter how I have set up the lists I am required to approve their
> messages.  Any thoughts?
> Lists Posting limited to members only.
> 
> Thanks
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
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From mailman at tux.org  Tue Sep 10 22:09:02 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:09:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Couple of Questions
In-Reply-To: <027e01c258fb$d5dcad00$47626580@kermit1>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209101604200.25150-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Jeffrey M. Johnson wrote:

> I have an individual who moderatored about a dozen lists who is
> changing positions and is no longer going to moderate these lists.
> Is there any tools that I can use that will scan all the Databases and
> tell me which lists they moderate or produce just the moderators for
> the lists with a single command.

Sure; try:

for i in `list_lists | grep ' - ' | sed 's/^ *\(.*\) - .*$/\1/'`; do \
          echo -n "$i		";                                   \
          config_list -o - $i | grep '^owner = ' |                   \
          sed 's/^owner = //' |                                      \
          sed 's/\[//'        |                                      \
          sed 's/\]//'        |                                      \
          sed "s/'//g"; done

That's two TABs after $i between the quotes on the second line ...
but your favorite whitespace formatting will work.  Likewise, adjust
the sed commands to your liking.

To make this even handier, I have a shell script called list_owners that
has as its only command the above command; I keep it in the Mailman bin
directory so it is always within reach.

config_list (with -o) dumps out the entire config for a given list, with
extensive annotation (the syntax is -o FILE; '-' stands in for stdout).
config_list also has a -i switch for updating the config of a given list
from a file like the file it dumps out.  config_list -h for more info.

Hope that helps.

- Andrew

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From jozeph at globalmedia.com.br  Tue Sep 10 20:38:02 2002
From: jozeph at globalmedia.com.br (jozeph at globalmedia.com.br)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:38:02 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] http://www.list.org/
Message-ID: <200209101838.g8AIc2o12521@jozeph.homelinux.com>

Hello,

My mailman is crashing the machine:

Look for: mailman  12365 78.8 44.1 32184 27564 tty1    R    15:27   6:34 python -S cron/qrunner

MEM/CPU when I running qrunner...





From n.lachance at natmark.net  Tue Sep 10 22:00:28 2002
From: n.lachance at natmark.net (Nathalie Lachance)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:00:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Version for Frenchie!
Message-ID: <002701c25904$c3a2e8d0$6401a8c0@pegasus>

Dear Python people,

I'm new at managing a Mailman list and I must say that up to now, it's quite
friendly. Unfortunately, since I want to be able to use that list for
SENDING ONLY and not for a regular list exchange, some of the automated
stuff in there is keeping me from doing what I'd like.

I've seen on the "wish list" that fully customizable features are on the way
for version 3 permitting us to also customize some of the automated stuff in
there. When is version 3 supposed to be out?

Also, since all of our readers are French speaking, I was wondering if there
was any way to make it so it would be feasible to implement a seamless
French version of Mailman (submit buttons and all). Up to now, I've more or
less had to leave many features out in order to achieve something along
those lines. I would be more than willing to help with the translation to
French (something I already do professionally).


Nathalie Lachance, pres.
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From kremels at kreme.com  Wed Sep 11 04:15:17 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:15:17 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and OS X Jaguar
Message-ID: <5078ADD6-C52C-11D6-9944-00050279C409@kreme.com>

Has anyone successfully gotten mailman working under OS X Jaguar?

OS X 10.2 seems to include python, but not all the modules.  I've been 
unable to either install the right modules or reinstall python.

Didn't have much trouble under 10.1...

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From sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx  Wed Sep 11 03:38:18 2002
From: sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Sammons?=)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:38:18 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems migrating list!!!
Message-ID: <20020911013819.68504.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com>

   Hi there!!!

      I?m migrating from MM2.1a2  to MM2.1b3 and
moving it to another server i have some list and i?m
trying to replace the config.db of every one list but
in MM2.1b3 i found config.pck .... What is the
relation between those files????....how can i replace
my config.db to the list in the new server?????


    Thanks!!!!

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From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Wed Sep 11 15:43:09 2002
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:43:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List too big to load...
Message-ID: <NGBBLKFIDENNFHKFMGAIAEAJCDAA.badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk>

... is it possible for a list to get too big to load via the web interface?
I can't go to my member managment window, my browser just hangs, and then
after about 3 minutes, it times out. Is it possible to manage the list from
the command line? I just wnt to know how many people are on the list, and
also stop them from posting. (It's an announce list)




From mailman at tux.org  Wed Sep 11 16:08:28 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:08:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List too big to load...
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLKFIDENNFHKFMGAIAEAJCDAA.badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209110957560.5118-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Angel Gabriel wrote:

> Is it possible to manage the list from the command line? I just wnt to
> know how many people are on the list, and also stop them from posting.
> (It's an announce list)

Both of these questions were answered in the past few days.

To administer your lists on the command line, explore the various
utilities in Mailman's bin directory.  There's lots of good stuff there,
and as also illustrated in recent postings, they're even better when
joined together via command pipelines.

To make a list announce-only, go to "Privacy Options" and set 'Restrict
posting privilege to list members?' to "No" -AND- add only yourself to the
next field, 'Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list ...'

Someone else also pointed out that the announce-only question is answered
in the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp

Other helpful FAQ links:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=index

- Andrew

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Sep 11 16:25:52 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 11 Sep 2002 10:25:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List too big to load...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209110957560.5118-100000@gwyn.tux.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209110957560.5118-100000@gwyn.tux.org>
Message-ID: <1031754353.5353.18.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

In addition to the great advice given below, you should look at your
disk subsystem and the memory on your current server.  In probability
you need to upgrade both.

A faster disk subsystem (controller and drives) will dramatically
increase the performance on your server.  More RAM is always helpful,
and in your case, you could use the extra RAM to setup a 50MB RAM disk,
and then move the config directory for your list onto that RAM disk, and
mount it over you existing config directory.

Just some thoughts to ponder.

Jon Carnes
===
On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 10:08, mailman at tux.org wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Angel Gabriel wrote:
> 
> > Is it possible to manage the list from the command line? I just wnt to
> > know how many people are on the list, and also stop them from posting.
> > (It's an announce list)
> 
> Both of these questions were answered in the past few days.
> 
> To administer your lists on the command line, explore the various
> utilities in Mailman's bin directory.  There's lots of good stuff there,
> and as also illustrated in recent postings, they're even better when
> joined together via command pipelines.
> 
> To make a list announce-only, go to "Privacy Options" and set 'Restrict
> posting privilege to list members?' to "No" -AND- add only yourself to the
> next field, 'Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list ...'
> 
> Someone else also pointed out that the announce-only question is answered
> in the FAQ:
> 
>   http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp
> 
> Other helpful FAQ links:
> 
>   http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>   http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=index
> 
> - Andrew
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From phil at rfc-networks.ie  Wed Sep 11 18:39:18 2002
From: phil at rfc-networks.ie (Philip Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:39:18 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List too big to load...
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLKFIDENNFHKFMGAIAEAJCDAA.badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk>; from badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk on Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 02:43:09PM +0100
References: <NGBBLKFIDENNFHKFMGAIAEAJCDAA.badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20020911163918.C93455@rfc-networks.ie>

Angel Gabriel <badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk> 13 lines of wisdom included:
> ... is it possible for a list to get too big to load via the web interface?
> I can't go to my member managment window, my browser just hangs, and then
> after about 3 minutes, it times out. Is it possible to manage the list from
> the command line? I just wnt to know how many people are on the list, and
> also stop them from posting. (It's an announce list)

What are the specs on your machine and how many people are on the
list? I've administered lists with 1,000 plus people on it with
absolutely no hassle.

I know lists with over 10,000 people on it, but these are being run
on heavy duty SPARC machines.

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http://people.rfc-networks.ie/~phil  | www.rfc-networks.ie



From phil at rfc-networks.ie  Wed Sep 11 18:39:55 2002
From: phil at rfc-networks.ie (Philip Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:39:55 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
Message-ID: <20020911163955.D93455@rfc-networks.ie>

Hi,

I was wondering what the support is like for virtual domains in
Mailman 2.0.12. Is it there? I'd prefer not to have to upgrade at
the moment.

Basically, we want to run one instance of mailman even though we are
providing it's services to multiple domains. I have searched the
archived, I hope it's not a FAQ (but somehow I have a feeling it
is).

I suppose, some of this could be implemented at MTA level, but not
all of it (List-Id's etc. etc.)

Basically our main domain is, for example, domain1.com. When we add
a list for domain2.com and domain3.com we want the headers on the
mails to reflect this.

Does upgrading to 2.1 (beta3 or whatever) solve this problem and am
I right that this can't be done properly on 2.0.12.

Thanks for your time.
Regards,

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From j.wards at sportnetwork.net  Wed Sep 11 17:52:54 2002
From: j.wards at sportnetwork.net (John Wards)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:52:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail, FreeBSD problems?
Message-ID: <025301c259ab$520c4250$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP>

Hi,

I am new to Mailman and began playing with is a few hours ago....I am using
qmail and FreeBSD

I am running qmail and have set up my system using the qmail-to-mailman.py
way. I have done all the customization that is mentioned in the README files
like the CNAME changes etc.

I cannot seem to be able to subscribe or send messages to my test list.

I send them to test at lists.sportnetwork.net and the log file says every thing
is fine but nothing happens at the list end (I manually added my email to
the list). Also responding replying to set up a new subscripton doesnt work
(my work mate tryied with another email address). Again no error messages.

I have tested the settings by emailing dummy at lists.sportnetwork.net and I
get the bounce message from qmail-to-mailman.py.

Any clues at where to look? I am most confuzed.........

Cheers
John Wards
SportNetwork.net




From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk  Wed Sep 11 18:03:35 2002
From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 11 Sep 2002 17:03:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
In-Reply-To: <20020911163955.D93455@rfc-networks.ie>
References: <20020911163955.D93455@rfc-networks.ie>
Message-ID: <1031760218.15588.96.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 17:39, Philip Reynolds wrote:
> I was wondering what the support is like for virtual domains in
> Mailman 2.0.12. Is it there? I'd prefer not to have to upgrade at
> the moment.

You can have lists in several multiple domains in Mailman 2.0.x

You cannot have name at domain1 and name at domain2 (ie same local part,
different domain part) be separate distinct lists without having
separate Mailman installations.

Depending on your MTA config you may or may not be able to handle
name at domain1 being valid and name at domain2 not being an alias for the
same list.  [ie it depends on your MTA setup as to whether a list
appears in all your virtual domains]

I don't think this changes significantly with 2.1, but haven't switched
myself so will let someone else confirm that.

	Nigel.
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From j.wards at sportnetwork.net  Wed Sep 11 18:16:22 2002
From: j.wards at sportnetwork.net (John Wards)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:16:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Qmail, FreeBSD problems?
Message-ID: <029201c259ae$925300d0$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP>

Also I have emailed mailman-owner at lists.sportnetwork.net and that comes
through to me no bother.

I have checked my cron jobs and they are fine and correct.....

HELP!


> Hi,
>
> I am new to Mailman and began playing with is a few hours ago....I am
using
> qmail and FreeBSD
>
> I am running qmail and have set up my system using the qmail-to-mailman.py
> way. I have done all the customization that is mentioned in the README
files
> like the CNAME changes etc.
>
> I cannot seem to be able to subscribe or send messages to my test list.
>
> I send them to test at lists.sportnetwork.net and the log file says every
thing
> is fine but nothing happens at the list end (I manually added my email to
> the list). Also responding replying to set up a new subscripton doesnt
work
> (my work mate tryied with another email address). Again no error messages.
>
> I have tested the settings by emailing dummy at lists.sportnetwork.net and I
> get the bounce message from qmail-to-mailman.py.
>
> Any clues at where to look? I am most confuzed.........
>
> Cheers
> John Wards
> SportNetwork.net
>




From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Sep 11 18:39:55 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:39:55 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List too big to load...
References: <NGBBLKFIDENNFHKFMGAIAEAJCDAA.badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3D7F71DB.19CCE478@pcraft.com>

Angel Gabriel wrote:

> ... is it possible for a list to get too big to load via the web interface?
> I can't go to my member managment window, my browser just hangs, and then
> after about 3 minutes, it times out.

    I have a list of some 40,000+ members running on a PIII 600Mhz with 256MB of
ram, and while I have adjusted the members display page to display 1,000 members
at a time, I have no trouble with the browser timing out.


> Is it possible to manage the list from
> the command line?

    Yes.  Feel free to explore the utilities in ~mailman/bin .

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From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Sep 11 18:45:20 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:45:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Qmail, FreeBSD problems? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "John Wards" <j.wards@sportnetwork.net> 
   of "Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:16:22 BST." <029201c259ae$925300d0$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP> 
References: <029201c259ae$925300d0$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP> 
Message-ID: <14708.1031762720@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:16:22 +0100 
John Wards <j.wards at sportnetwork.net> wrote:

> Also I have emailed mailman-owner at lists.sportnetwork.net and that
> comes through to me no bother.

What do the Mailman logs say?

What do your MTA logs say?

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From wolf at wolfstream.net  Wed Sep 11 18:51:31 2002
From: wolf at wolfstream.net (Tom Whiting)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:51:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail, FreeBSD problems?
In-Reply-To: <025301c259ab$520c4250$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP>
References: <025301c259ab$520c4250$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP>
Message-ID: <200209111151.31929.wolf@wolfstream.net>

>
> I cannot seem to be able to subscribe or send messages to my test list.
>
> I send them to test at lists.sportnetwork.net and the log file says every
> thing is fine but nothing happens at the list end (I manually added my
> email to the list). Also responding replying to set up a new subscripton
> doesnt work (my work mate tryied with another email address). Again no
> error messages.
>
> I have tested the settings by emailing dummy at lists.sportnetwork.net and I
> get the bounce message from qmail-to-mailman.py.
>
> Any clues at where to look? I am most confuzed.........

Make sure you have cron scripts set up correctly
Read through the installation manual, then read through the QMAIL part of the 
setup process 9another document0
Go through your maillogs
you'll need to do a lot of work to get it there, but when you do it'll be 
simple to maintain through qmail


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From Warchol at harthosp.org  Wed Sep 11 18:30:55 2002
From: Warchol at harthosp.org (Dave Warchol)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:30:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] rmlist
Message-ID: <sd7f3790.028@gwmail.harthosp.org>

Hello:
          I am new to the list (and the application).  In testing I
have created a list named:  "Dave's list".  I am able to see the list
using list_lists, but cannot remove it using rmlist.  I am guessing that
it is the apostrohpe.  Is there a workaround for this?

Thanks
Dave



From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Sep 11 19:06:05 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:06:05 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] rmlist
References: <sd7f3790.028@gwmail.harthosp.org>
Message-ID: <3D7F77FD.A2E8F797@pcraft.com>

Dave Warchol wrote:

>           I am new to the list (and the application).  In testing I
> have created a list named:  "Dave's list".  I am able to see the list
> using list_lists, but cannot remove it using rmlist.  I am guessing that
> it is the apostrohpe.  Is there a workaround for this?

    Bad name for starters.  Have you tried encapsulating the name?

    rmlist -a "Dave's list"

    And if that fails, try escaping the apostrophe:  rmlist -a "Dave\'s list"

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From Warchol at harthosp.org  Wed Sep 11 19:17:36 2002
From: Warchol at harthosp.org (Dave Warchol)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:17:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] rmlist
Message-ID: <sd7f427a.098@gwmail.harthosp.org>

Ashley:
             No joy.  Gory details follow.  I agree, bad name for a
list, however,
better to learn that now while in test.  Any other suggestions?

Thanks
Dave

[mailman at hclxtstest01 bin]$ rmlist -a "Dave's list"
Removing list info
sh: -c: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `''
sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file
dave's list private archives not found as
/home/mailman/archives/private/dave's list
Removing private archives
sh: -c: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `''
sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file
Removing public archives
Removing public archives
[mailman at hclxtstest01 bin]$ whoami
mailman
[mailman at hclxtstest01 bin]$ rmlist -a "Dave\'s list"
Remove the components of a mailing list with impunity - beware!

This removes (almost) all traces of a mailing list.  By default, the
lists
archives are not removed, which is very handy for retiring old lists.

Usage:
    rmlist [-a] [-h] listname

Where:
    --archives
    -a
        remove the lists archives too

    --help
    -h
        print this help message and exit


List does not exist: "dave\'s list"
[mailman at hclxtstest01 bin]$ list_lists
2 matching mailing lists found:
    Dave's list - [no description available]
           Test - [no description available]
[mailman at hclxtstest01 bin]$ 


>>> "Ashley M. Kirchner" <ashley at pcraft.com> 09/11/02 01:06PM >>>
Dave Warchol wrote:

>           I am new to the list (and the application).  In testing I
> have created a list named:  "Dave's list".  I am able to see the
list
> using list_lists, but cannot remove it using rmlist.  I am guessing
that
> it is the apostrohpe.  Is there a workaround for this?

    Bad name for starters.  Have you tried encapsulating the name?

    rmlist -a "Dave's list"

    And if that fails, try escaping the apostrophe:  rmlist -a "Dave\'s
list"

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Sep 11 19:44:38 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:44:38 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] rmlist
References: <sd7f427a.098@gwmail.harthosp.org>
Message-ID: <3D7F8106.351CE65C@pcraft.com>

Dave Warchol wrote:

>              No joy.  Gory details follow.  I agree, bad name for a
> list, however,
> better to learn that now while in test.  Any other suggestions?

    Oy, you got me.  This will have to go to the upper level folks (i.e..
Barry)...

--
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  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.






From jlockard at umich.edu  Wed Sep 11 20:05:16 2002
From: jlockard at umich.edu (John M. Lockard)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:05:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] rmlist
In-Reply-To: <3D7F8106.351CE65C@pcraft.com>; from ashley@pcraft.com on Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 11:44:38AM -0600
References: <sd7f427a.098@gwmail.harthosp.org> <3D7F8106.351CE65C@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <20020911140516.C26321@umich.edu>

How about you don't quote the list ("Dave\'s List") and instead
just escape everything?  Dave\'s\ List     just a thought.

On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 11:44:38AM -0600, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
> Dave Warchol wrote:
> 
> >              No joy.  Gory details follow.  I agree, bad name for a
> > list, however,
> > better to learn that now while in test.  Any other suggestions?
> 
>     Oy, you got me.  This will have to go to the upper level folks (i.e..
> Barry)...
> 
> --
> W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
>   +--------------------------------------------------------------------
>   Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
>   IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
>   Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
>   http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From johnj at ActiveState.com  Wed Sep 11 20:15:09 2002
From: johnj at ActiveState.com (John Jones)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:15:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] rmlist
In-Reply-To: <20020911140516.C26321@umich.edu>
Message-ID: <00c201c259bf$2a45fa90$9f03a8c0@activestate.ca>

Have you tried manually removing the list via the command line?

> rm -rf /lists/Dave<TAB>
> rm -rf /archives/public/Dave<TAB>   (this one might be already gone from
earlier)
> rm -rf /archives/private/Dave<TAB>

Edit your aliases file to remove the aliases for the mailing list as well.




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Sep 11 20:43:07 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 11 Sep 2002 14:43:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
In-Reply-To: <20020911163955.D93455@rfc-networks.ie>
References: <20020911163955.D93455@rfc-networks.ie>
Message-ID: <1031769787.5353.30.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

In the Mailman 2.0x series Virtual domains are done on the MTA and
webserver level.

One of the best Open Source MTA's for virtual domains is Postfix (just
my opinion, and notice I specified "open source").  If you stick with
Sendmail then you'll have to set it up to use the Generics table, and
then of course you'll have to maintain that table (which specifies which
"local" email addresses are to be specified as coming from alternate
domains).

You'll also have to set the virtual domains in Apache, which you have
probably already done!  Remember to add the CGIscript pointers to the
local mailman install.

Good Luck,

Jon Carnes
On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 12:39, Philip Reynolds wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I was wondering what the support is like for virtual domains in
> Mailman 2.0.12. Is it there? I'd prefer not to have to upgrade at
> the moment.
> 
> Basically, we want to run one instance of mailman even though we are
> providing it's services to multiple domains. I have searched the
> archived, I hope it's not a FAQ (but somehow I have a feeling it
> is).
> 
> I suppose, some of this could be implemented at MTA level, but not
> all of it (List-Id's etc. etc.)
> 
> Basically our main domain is, for example, domain1.com. When we add
> a list for domain2.com and domain3.com we want the headers on the
> mails to reflect this.
> 
> Does upgrading to 2.1 (beta3 or whatever) solve this problem and am
> I right that this can't be done properly on 2.0.12.
> 
> Thanks for your time.
> Regards,
> 
> -- 
> Philip Reynolds                      | RFC Networks Ltd.
> philip.reynolds at rfc-networks.ie      | +353 (0)1 8832063
> http://people.rfc-networks.ie/~phil  | www.rfc-networks.ie
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Sep 11 20:48:24 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 11 Sep 2002 14:48:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] rmlist
In-Reply-To: <3D7F8106.351CE65C@pcraft.com>
References: <sd7f427a.098@gwmail.harthosp.org> 
	<3D7F8106.351CE65C@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <1031770105.5353.33.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

If this doesn't work, you can easily go down to the directory level and
delete the list from there.  The lists are stored in separate
subdirectories named aptly the same as the list.

Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 13:44, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
> Dave Warchol wrote:
> 
> >              No joy.  Gory details follow.  I agree, bad name for a
> > list, however,
> > better to learn that now while in test.  Any other suggestions?
> 
>     Oy, you got me.  This will have to go to the upper level folks (i.e..
> Barry)...
> 
> --
> W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
>   +--------------------------------------------------------------------
>   Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
>   IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
>   Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
>   http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From Warchol at harthosp.org  Wed Sep 11 21:36:11 2002
From: Warchol at harthosp.org (Dave Warchol)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:36:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] rmlist
Message-ID: <sd7f6421.002@gwmail.harthosp.org>

Thanks.  That worked.

>>> "John Jones" <johnj at ActiveState.com> 09/11/02 02:15PM >>>
Have you tried manually removing the list via the command line?

> rm -rf /lists/Dave<TAB>
> rm -rf /archives/public/Dave<TAB>   (this one might be already gone
from
earlier)
> rm -rf /archives/private/Dave<TAB>

Edit your aliases file to remove the aliases for the mailing list as
well.


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From william at 25thandClement.com  Thu Sep 12 02:03:48 2002
From: william at 25thandClement.com (William Ahern)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:03:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] automatic results message
Message-ID: <20020912000348.GA19083@25thandClement.com>

using Mailman 2.1b3, how can i disable the automatic command results
messages? no setting i can find (i *have* looked in auto-reponder) seems to
effect this.

tia,

Bill



From weiyx at dawning.com.cn  Thu Sep 12 05:11:50 2002
From: weiyx at dawning.com.cn (wei yingxia)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:11:50 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ask for a question
Message-ID: <3D8005F6.1010207@dawning.com.cn>

I have installed mailman-2.0.9 on my computer, everything is ok until I 
make  a newlist named test, usually I should receive a letter about how 
to use the list, but I didn't. When I look up in the logs directory 
under logs, there is a file named smtp-failure, it print text something 
like the follow: Sep 11 13:16:02 2002 (12499) -1 weiyx at dawning.com.cn 
(ignore). I think maybe there is something wrong with my sendmail.cf , 
the config file of sendmail, But I don't konw what's wrong, how can I 
resolve this problem? Thanks for answering my question.




From boone at dcn.org  Thu Sep 12 05:57:38 2002
From: boone at dcn.org (Sarah Boone)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:57:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] word wrap rap?
Message-ID: <v04220808b9a5bfb3d042@[168.150.192.115]>

Hi,

On the Archives page:
When a plain text/text only email posted to a Mailman list originates 
from Eudora, the body of the text word wraps; when a plain-text email 
originates from Microsoft Outlook 2000, a line of text continues ad 
infinitum.  How can this be changed so that the text wraps in Mailman?
-thanks,
Sarah



From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Sep 12 06:22:35 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:22:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] rmlist 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Ashley M. Kirchner" <ashley@pcraft.com> 
   of "Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:44:38 MDT." <3D7F8106.351CE65C@pcraft.com> 
References: <sd7f427a.098@gwmail.harthosp.org>  <3D7F8106.351CE65C@pcraft.com> 
Message-ID: <21621.1031804555@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:44:38 -0600 
Ashley M Kirchner <ashley at pcraft.com> wrote:

>     Oy, you got me.  This will have to go to the upper level folks
> (i.e..  Barry)...

No need.  Just blow away the list directory, archive directories and
files, and any aliases manually.  That's all that rmlist does...

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Sep 12 09:27:36 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 01:27:36 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] rmlist
References: <sd7f427a.098@gwmail.harthosp.org>  <3D7F8106.351CE65C@pcraft.com> <21621.1031804555@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <3D8041E8.1A09A16A@pcraft.com>

J C Lawrence wrote:

> No need.  Just blow away the list directory, archive directories and
> files, and any aliases manually.  That's all that rmlist does...

    That's not why I said to escalate it up.  Yes there are ways of removing the list without mercy, however I do believe that Mailman should try to remove it, regardless of someone making the mistake of having odd characters in the list name.  Unless this particular problem is a python issue, in which case I think we should mention it to the python folks.

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  Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.






From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Sep 12 09:32:04 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:32:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] rmlist 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Ashley M. Kirchner" <ashley@pcraft.com> 
   of "Thu, 12 Sep 2002 01:27:36 MDT." <3D8041E8.1A09A16A@pcraft.com> 
References: <sd7f427a.098@gwmail.harthosp.org> <3D7F8106.351CE65C@pcraft.com> <21621.1031804555@kanga.nu>  <3D8041E8.1A09A16A@pcraft.com> 
Message-ID: <24212.1031815924@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 01:27:36 -0600 
Ashley M Kirchner <ashley at pcraft.com> wrote:
> J C Lawrence wrote:

>> No need.  Just blow away the list directory, archive directories and
>> files, and any aliases manually.  That's all that rmlist does...

> That's not why I said to escalate it up.  Yes there are ways of
> removing the list without mercy, however I do believe that Mailman
> should try to remove it, regardless of someone making the mistake of
> having odd characters in the list name.  Unless this particular
> problem is a python issue, in which case I think we should mention it
> to the python folks.

More simply:  newlist should refuse to make lists with illegal names (eg
whitespace is illegal in addresses).

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Sep 12 09:35:08 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 01:35:08 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] rmlist
References: <sd7f427a.098@gwmail.harthosp.org> <3D7F8106.351CE65C@pcraft.com> <21621.1031804555@kanga.nu>  <3D8041E8.1A09A16A@pcraft.com> <24212.1031815924@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <3D8043AC.360400C9@pcraft.com>

J C Lawrence wrote:

> More simply:  newlist should refuse to make lists with illegal names (eg
> whitespace is illegal in addresses).

    This _would_ make life easier, yes. :)

--
H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner
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  Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130
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  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.






From PBoshoff at mweb.com  Thu Sep 12 10:14:43 2002
From: PBoshoff at mweb.com (Pieter Boshoff)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:14:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Data files
Message-ID: <6F76E514B4D4EA469DACC8D4E2F2AF9B5A6DC9@mwjdc2.mweb.com>

Hi all,

I need to know what the name is of the db file is where all the e-mail addresses are hosted for a mailman list.

Thanks 

> Pieter Boshoff
> 



From helmutm at cyberdev.org  Thu Sep 12 10:29:58 2002
From: helmutm at cyberdev.org (Helmut Merz)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:29:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] automatic results message
In-Reply-To: <20020912000348.GA19083@25thandClement.com>
References: <20020912000348.GA19083@25thandClement.com>
Message-ID: <0209121029580B.00923@merz05>

Hi,

Am Donnerstag, 12. September 2002 02:03 schrieb William 
Ahern:
> using Mailman 2.1b3, how can i disable the automatic
> command results messages? no setting i can find (i *have*
> looked in auto-reponder) seems to effect this.

a couple of weeks ago I asked the same question here, as I 
found these messages rather annoying when joining and 
leaving via email.

As I got no answer - maybe this list is still more about 
the "procuction" versions 2.0.xx where suppression of these 
result message works - I decided to patch the sources (I 
still use Mailman 2.1b2, I'm not sure this also works with 
2.1b3):

("Mz": that's me)
Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py:

class Results:
    def __init__(self, mlist, msg, msgdata):
        # Mz: for suppressing unwanted result mails:
        self.NoMailCmdResponse = 0

...

class CommandRunner(Runner):
    QDIR = mm_cfg.CMDQUEUE_DIR

    def _dispose(self, mlist, msg, msgdata):
...
        try:
            if msgdata.get('torequest'):
                res.process()
                # Mz: respond only to real request:
                if res.NoMailCmdResponse == 0:
                    res.send_response()
            elif msgdata.get('tojoin'):
...
            # Mz: suppress unconditional send:
            #res.send_response()
            mlist.Save()


Mailman/Commands/cmd_confirm.py:

def process(res, args):
...
    else:
        # Mz: dont send!
        res.NoMailCmdResponse = 1
        res.results.append(_('Confirmation succeeded'))


Don't forget to issue a "mailmanctl restart" after editing 
(as I did and wondered why my changes did not have any 
effect ;-))

Helmut



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Sep 12 10:32:10 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Sep 2002 04:32:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Data files
In-Reply-To: <6F76E514B4D4EA469DACC8D4E2F2AF9B5A6DC9@mwjdc2.mweb.com>
References: <6F76E514B4D4EA469DACC8D4E2F2AF9B5A6DC9@mwjdc2.mweb.com>
Message-ID: <1031819531.1676.3.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

config.db

More specifically ~mailman/lists/<listname>/config.db

On Thu, 2002-09-12 at 04:14, Pieter Boshoff wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I need to know what the name is of the db file is where all the e-mail addresses are hosted for a mailman list.
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> > Pieter Boshoff
> > 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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From j.wards at sportnetwork.net  Thu Sep 12 11:04:36 2002
From: j.wards at sportnetwork.net (John Wards)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:04:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & BSD further problems
References: <sd7f427a.098@gwmail.harthosp.org> <3D7F8106.351CE65C@pcraft.com> <21621.1031804555@kanga.nu>  <3D8041E8.1A09A16A@pcraft.com> <24212.1031815924@kanga.nu> <3D8043AC.360400C9@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <00ca01c25a3b$bfeaed90$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP>

I cannot seem to be able to send messages to my lists or reply to subscribe
to lists. I have included all the logs that I can think of. If I have missed
any that would be helpful please say.

I have checked my qmail logs and everything seems fine:
@400000003d80510d0c7a2914 new msg 898
@400000003d80510d0c88d2fc info msg 898: bytes 1028 from
<j.wards at sportnetwork.net> qp 73230 uid 1005
@400000003d80510d0d208304 starting delivery 6510: msg 898 to local
mailman-test at lists.sportnetwork.net
@400000003d80510d0ec9936c status: local 1/10 remote 0/20
@400000003d80510e092316a4 delivery 6510: success: did_0+0+1/
@400000003d80510e092b5bd4 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20
@400000003d80510e092f4ba4 end msg 898

I look in my /home/mailman/qfiles/ dir and i see the file:

8b41040d30571a9389822ef8c26bbd728d5bb11c.msg AND
8b41040d30571a9389822ef8c26bbd728d5bb11c.db

Which contain:

>From j.wards at sportnetwork.net Thu Sep 12 08:32:03 2002
Return-Path: <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
Delivered-To: mailman-test at lists.sportnetwork.net
Received: (qmail 73230 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 08:32:03 -0000
Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net (212.69.192.4)
  by ns1.sportnetwork.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 08:32:03 -0000
Received: from [212.69.194.109] (helo=durham.serve.co.uk)
 by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3)
 id 17pPLd-00055v-00
 for test at lists.sportnetwork.net; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:29:13 +0100
Received: from JOHNCOMP (dagroup.demon.co.uk [194.222.172.210])
 by durham.serve.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g8C8T8512838
 for <test at lists.sportnetwork.net>; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:29:10 +0100
Message-ID: <00a701c25a37$0190e790$3100a8c0 at JOHNCOMP>
From: "John Wards" <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
To: <test at lists.sportnetwork.net>
Subject: test
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:32:54 +0100
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
 charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000

test
-------------------------------//E-oF

AND

{s
-----------------------------//E-of

I do crontab -l as mailman user (I double checked by typing whoami) I get
this

# At 5PM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests
0 17 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs
#
# Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold
delivery.
0 12 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests
#
# 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
#
# Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one out
# if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right now,
# or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling.
0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S
/home/mailman/cron/gate_news
#
# At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file.  Only
# turn this on if the internal archiver is used and
# GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py
27 3 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
#
# Retry failed deliveries once per minute.
* * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner

I look in the cron logs:

Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73800]: (root) CMD
(/usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/restart_all.sh > /dev/null)
Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73801]: (root) CMD (/usr/libexec/atrun)
Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73802]: (root) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/mrtg --logging /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.log
/usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.cfg)
Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73803]: (nobody) CMD
(/home/oasis/public_html/mgmt/minutely_maint.php)
Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73804]: (mailman) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73805]: (mailman) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news)
Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73806]: (root) CMD (
/usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/mail_log.pl > /dev/null)
Sep 12 09:46:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73920]: (mailman) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
Sep 12 09:47:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73950]: (mailman) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
Sep 12 09:48:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73988]: (mailman) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
Sep 12 09:49:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74045]: (mailman) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74106]: (root) CMD (
/usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/mail_log.pl > /dev/null)
Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74107]: (root) CMD (/usr/libexec/atrun)
Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74108]: (root) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/mrtg --logging /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.log
/usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.cfg)
Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74109]: (mailman) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74110]: (mailman) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news)
Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74111]: (nobody) CMD
(/home/oasis/public_html/mgmt/minutely_maint.php)
Sep 12 09:51:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74172]: (mailman) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
Sep 12 09:52:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74205]: (mailman) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
Sep 12 09:53:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74235]: (mailman) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
Sep 12 09:54:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74280]: (mailman) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)

oh and ~mailman/.qmail-default is set up like:

|preline /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py

Think thats it.........

I am most confuzed.....everything seems to be fine but I am not getting any
messages.........

HELP!

Oh I have read through every readme supplyied and set up my system as
suggested. I have also searched through the archives with the key words
qmail and bsd.

Cheers
John Wards
SportNetwork.net





From heitbrockd at schlick.de  Thu Sep 12 11:01:11 2002
From: heitbrockd at schlick.de (Denis Heitbrock)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:01:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuration
Message-ID: <000c01c25a3a$f1be51a0$c65a18ac@ws90198>

hi,

how can i setup (over the web-interface??) that the admin has to check every
mail which is send by a subscribed user / or not subscribed user to the
mailling list.

example:
user a (he subscribed to the list) want to send a mail to the news at abc.com
newslist.

there is an admin tool (web-interface) where the admin then can defer,
approve, reject por discard this mail.
on the web interface the topic is: posting held for approval.

thxxx for help.

greetz

denis heitbrock




From barry at python.org  Thu Sep 12 15:25:58 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:25:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] rmlist
References: <sd7f427a.098@gwmail.harthosp.org>
	<3D7F8106.351CE65C@pcraft.com>
	<21621.1031804555@kanga.nu>
	<3D8041E8.1A09A16A@pcraft.com>
	<24212.1031815924@kanga.nu>
	<3D8043AC.360400C9@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <15744.38374.862477.659735@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "AMK" == Ashley M Kirchner <ashley at pcraft.com> writes:

    >> More simply: newlist should refuse to make lists with illegal
    >> names (eg whitespace is illegal in addresses).

    AMK>     This _would_ make life easier, yes. :)

Good idea, thanks.

I think the thing to do would be to join the list name with the
hostname and pump it through ValidEmail() and reject the name if that
fails.

-Barry



From j.wards at sportnetwork.net  Thu Sep 12 17:58:02 2002
From: j.wards at sportnetwork.net (John Wards)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:58:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & BSD further problems
Message-ID: <02a501c25a75$2d6bfb00$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP>

I cannot seem to be able to send messages to my lists or reply to subscribe
to lists. I have included all the logs that I can think of. If I have missed
any that would be helpful please say.

I have checked my qmail logs and everything seems fine:
@400000003d80510d0c7a2914 new msg 898
@400000003d80510d0c88d2fc info msg 898: bytes 1028 from
<j.wards at sportnetwork.net> qp 73230 uid 1005
@400000003d80510d0d208304 starting delivery 6510: msg 898 to local
mailman-test at lists.sportnetwork.net
@400000003d80510d0ec9936c status: local 1/10 remote 0/20
@400000003d80510e092316a4 delivery 6510: success: did_0+0+1/
@400000003d80510e092b5bd4 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20
@400000003d80510e092f4ba4 end msg 898

I look in my /home/mailman/qfiles/ dir and i see the file:

8b41040d30571a9389822ef8c26bbd728d5bb11c.msg AND
8b41040d30571a9389822ef8c26bbd728d5bb11c.db

Which contain:

>From j.wards at sportnetwork.net Thu Sep 12 08:32:03 2002
Return-Path: <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
Delivered-To: mailman-test at lists.sportnetwork.net
Received: (qmail 73230 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 08:32:03 -0000
Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net (212.69.192.4)
  by ns1.sportnetwork.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 08:32:03 -0000
Received: from [212.69.194.109] (helo=durham.serve.co.uk)
 by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3)
 id 17pPLd-00055v-00
 for test at lists.sportnetwork.net; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:29:13 +0100
Received: from JOHNCOMP (dagroup.demon.co.uk [194.222.172.210])
 by durham.serve.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g8C8T8512838
 for <test at lists.sportnetwork.net>; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:29:10 +0100
Message-ID: <00a701c25a37$0190e790$3100a8c0 at JOHNCOMP>
From: "John Wards" <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
To: <test at lists.sportnetwork.net>
Subject: test
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:32:54 +0100
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
 charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000

test
-------------------------------//E-oF

AND

{s
-----------------------------//E-of

I do crontab -l as mailman user (I double checked by typing whoami) I get
this

# At 5PM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests
0 17 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs
#
# Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold
delivery.
0 12 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests
#
# 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
#
# Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one out
# if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right now,
# or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling.
0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S
/home/mailman/cron/gate_news
#
# At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file.  Only
# turn this on if the internal archiver is used and
# GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py
27 3 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
#
# Retry failed deliveries once per minute.
* * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner

I look in the cron logs:

Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73800]: (root) CMD
(/usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/restart_all.sh > /dev/null)
Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73801]: (root) CMD (/usr/libexec/atrun)
Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73802]: (root) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/mrtg --logging /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.log
/usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.cfg)
Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73803]: (nobody) CMD
(/home/oasis/public_html/mgmt/minutely_maint.php)
Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73804]: (mailman) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73805]: (mailman) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news)
Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73806]: (root) CMD (
/usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/mail_log.pl > /dev/null)
Sep 12 09:46:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73920]: (mailman) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
Sep 12 09:47:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73950]: (mailman) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
Sep 12 09:48:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73988]: (mailman) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
Sep 12 09:49:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74045]: (mailman) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74106]: (root) CMD (
/usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/mail_log.pl > /dev/null)
Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74107]: (root) CMD (/usr/libexec/atrun)
Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74108]: (root) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/mrtg --logging /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.log
/usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.cfg)
Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74109]: (mailman) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74110]: (mailman) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news)
Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74111]: (nobody) CMD
(/home/oasis/public_html/mgmt/minutely_maint.php)
Sep 12 09:51:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74172]: (mailman) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
Sep 12 09:52:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74205]: (mailman) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
Sep 12 09:53:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74235]: (mailman) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
Sep 12 09:54:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74280]: (mailman) CMD
(/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)

oh and ~mailman/.qmail-default is set up like:

|preline /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py

Think thats it.........

I am most confuzed.....everything seems to be fine but I am not getting any
messages.........

HELP!

Oh I have read through every readme supplyied and set up my system as
suggested. I have also searched through the archives with the key words
qmail and bsd.

Cheers
John Wards
SportNetwork.net




From j.wards at sportnetwork.net  Thu Sep 12 18:01:52 2002
From: j.wards at sportnetwork.net (John Wards)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:01:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & BSD further problems
References: <02a501c25a75$2d6bfb00$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP>
Message-ID: <02b001c25a75$b6799510$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP>

Hmmm sorry if anyone got this twice.....I had to send it again as I never
got it through......


> I cannot seem to be able to send messages to my lists or reply to
subscribe
> to lists. I have included all the logs that I can think of. If I have
missed
> any that would be helpful please say.
>
> I have checked my qmail logs and everything seems fine:
> @400000003d80510d0c7a2914 new msg 898
> @400000003d80510d0c88d2fc info msg 898: bytes 1028 from
> <j.wards at sportnetwork.net> qp 73230 uid 1005
> @400000003d80510d0d208304 starting delivery 6510: msg 898 to local
> mailman-test at lists.sportnetwork.net
> @400000003d80510d0ec9936c status: local 1/10 remote 0/20
> @400000003d80510e092316a4 delivery 6510: success: did_0+0+1/
> @400000003d80510e092b5bd4 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20
> @400000003d80510e092f4ba4 end msg 898
>
> I look in my /home/mailman/qfiles/ dir and i see the file:
>
> 8b41040d30571a9389822ef8c26bbd728d5bb11c.msg AND
> 8b41040d30571a9389822ef8c26bbd728d5bb11c.db
>
> Which contain:
>
> >From j.wards at sportnetwork.net Thu Sep 12 08:32:03 2002
> Return-Path: <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> Delivered-To: mailman-test at lists.sportnetwork.net
> Received: (qmail 73230 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 08:32:03 -0000
> Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net (212.69.192.4)
>   by ns1.sportnetwork.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 08:32:03 -0000
> Received: from [212.69.194.109] (helo=durham.serve.co.uk)
>  by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3)
>  id 17pPLd-00055v-00
>  for test at lists.sportnetwork.net; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:29:13 +0100
> Received: from JOHNCOMP (dagroup.demon.co.uk [194.222.172.210])
>  by durham.serve.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g8C8T8512838
>  for <test at lists.sportnetwork.net>; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:29:10 +0100
> Message-ID: <00a701c25a37$0190e790$3100a8c0 at JOHNCOMP>
> From: "John Wards" <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> To: <test at lists.sportnetwork.net>
> Subject: test
> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:32:54 +0100
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain;
>  charset="iso-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> X-Priority: 3
> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000
>
> test
> -------------------------------//E-oF
>
> AND
>
> {s
> -----------------------------//E-of
>
> I do crontab -l as mailman user (I double checked by typing whoami) I get
> this
>
> # At 5PM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests
> 0 17 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs
> #
> # Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold
> delivery.
> 0 12 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests
> #
> # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
> 0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
> #
> # Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one out
> # if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right now,
> # or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling.
> 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S
> /home/mailman/cron/gate_news
> #
> # At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file.  Only
> # turn this on if the internal archiver is used and
> # GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py
> 27 3 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
> #
> # Retry failed deliveries once per minute.
> * * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
>
> I look in the cron logs:
>
> Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73800]: (root) CMD
> (/usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/restart_all.sh > /dev/null)
> Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73801]: (root) CMD (/usr/libexec/atrun)
> Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73802]: (root) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/mrtg --logging /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.log
> /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.cfg)
> Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73803]: (nobody) CMD
> (/home/oasis/public_html/mgmt/minutely_maint.php)
> Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73804]: (mailman) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73805]: (mailman) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news)
> Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73806]: (root) CMD (
> /usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/mail_log.pl > /dev/null)
> Sep 12 09:46:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73920]: (mailman) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> Sep 12 09:47:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73950]: (mailman) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> Sep 12 09:48:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73988]: (mailman) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> Sep 12 09:49:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74045]: (mailman) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74106]: (root) CMD (
> /usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/mail_log.pl > /dev/null)
> Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74107]: (root) CMD (/usr/libexec/atrun)
> Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74108]: (root) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/mrtg --logging /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.log
> /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.cfg)
> Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74109]: (mailman) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74110]: (mailman) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news)
> Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74111]: (nobody) CMD
> (/home/oasis/public_html/mgmt/minutely_maint.php)
> Sep 12 09:51:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74172]: (mailman) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> Sep 12 09:52:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74205]: (mailman) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> Sep 12 09:53:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74235]: (mailman) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> Sep 12 09:54:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74280]: (mailman) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
>
> oh and ~mailman/.qmail-default is set up like:
>
> |preline /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py
>
> Think thats it.........
>
> I am most confuzed.....everything seems to be fine but I am not getting
any
> messages.........
>
> HELP!
>
> Oh I have read through every readme supplyied and set up my system as
> suggested. I have also searched through the archives with the key words
> qmail and bsd.
>
> Cheers
> John Wards
> SportNetwork.net
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From raquel at thericehouse.net  Thu Sep 12 18:07:33 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:07:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderators Interface
Message-ID: <20020912090733.5d390b63.raquel@thericehouse.net>

I've just upgraded to using Mailman 2.1b3, which provides for an
"administrator" and a "moderator".  In the password setup, I've
specified seperate passwords and in the general options I've
specified seperate addresses.  However, at the admin login, the
moderator cannot login using her password.  Is there a seperate page
for the moderator(s) to login?  I'm lost.

--
Raquel
============================================================
Discontent is the first step in the progress of a man or a nation.
  --Oscar Wilde




From gmills at library.berkeley.edu  Thu Sep 12 19:06:03 2002
From: gmills at library.berkeley.edu (Garey Mills)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:06:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do you edit a moderated message?
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10209120946530.22156-100000@library.berkeley.edu>

     In 2.1b2, I have been experimenting with editing a moderated message,
trying to use the instructions from the details page accessible from the
moderation page, or the instructions in the email notifying the moderator
that an email is awaiting moderation.

	Using both pine and the Unix mail program, if I respond to the
moderation message, the text of the message held for moderation is not
included in the reply; likewise, if I forward the message to myself from
the moderation webpage, and then try to reply to it or forward it, the
mailer does not include the original message in the new message, so I
can't edit the text. If I compose a new message and then cut and paste the
original message into the new message, the resulting message shows up in
the list as coming from me (not to mention the fact that the 'Approved:'
header is not used or needed as described in the instructions).

	Would someone care to clear this up for me? I manage a site with
multiple lists; most moderated by relatively unsophisticated users, and
they are depending on me to instruct them in how to moderate. If I can't
figure it out, I can't help them.


Thanks for any help;

Garey Mills
Library Systems Office
UC Berkeley





From sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx  Thu Sep 12 20:40:30 2002
From: sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Sammons?=)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:40:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Keep old configuration files!!!
Message-ID: <20020912184030.68101.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com>

   I?m working with MM2.1b3 the config.db files from
prior MM version are now config.pck, i have to
reinstall and change the domain name (i.e. actually i
have my.domain1.com i?m trying to change to
my.domain2.com) how can i do that??...

    Will the new installation remove previous config
(config.pck) files??...

    Thanks!!!
    Cheers!!! 

_________________________________________________________
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From news at mailstop7.com  Thu Sep 12 20:49:09 2002
From: news at mailstop7.com (Kevin)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:49:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] edits
In-Reply-To: <20020912184030.68101.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <MCEILFDLLJIMJDEFBAEPEEFNGOAA.news@mailstop7.com>

Any way to edit a moderated message before posting it - if so, what ver do
you need to be on?
thanks,
Kevin




From kd5de at nwla.com  Thu Sep 12 21:02:38 2002
From: kd5de at nwla.com (Mel Sojka)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:02:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remote Mail Server
Message-ID: <3D80E4CE.5C711122@nwla.com>

Can someone point me to a FAQ on using a separate mail server other than
box that mailman is installed on. I want to be able to use the all the
filters on the mail server since the only mail on the web server is the
mailman mail. Running MM 2.0.13 and Sendmail.
								Mel
-- 
System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com
Linux User #25446    Linux 2.4.7



From david at gof.se  Thu Sep 12 22:41:34 2002
From: david at gof.se (David)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:41:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python problem with cron
In-Reply-To: <20020912160005.2283.88733.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <B9A6C89E.1DBE%david@gof.se>

Dear gurus,

Sorry if this is a little bit of topic, but I don't know a better place to
ask. I upgraded to Mailman 2.1b3 a week ago and run into som cron problems.
When I did the upgrade I also upgraded Python to version 2.2.1

I have a couple of cronjobs that do a backup of my listmembers and put them
on a ftp-server. One of the cronjobs looks like this:

python /home/mailman/bin/list_members -r -o /home/backup/skydivemembreg
skydive

If a run this command from the command line everything works perfect. When
cron runs the same command I get this error:

  File "/home/mailman/bin/list_members", line 79
    print >> sys.stderr, _(__doc__)
           ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax

The server is a RedHat 7.1. Any clues?

 TIA,
 /David




From kremels at kreme.com  Fri Sep 13 01:31:04 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:31:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All messages being sent to postfix/qmgr by -bounces
Message-ID: <B464CC05-C6A7-11D6-BA49-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>

All the messages to a list are being sent out with an originator of 
"list-bounces" instead of "list"

# tail post
Sep 12 17:21:17 2002 (19657) post to List from kreme at kreme.com, 
size=1991, success

What happens to the message between ~mailman/logs/post listing it as 
posted and postfix listing it as being from bounces?

# tail /var/log/mail.log
Sep 12 17:21:17 kreme postfix/smtpd[872]: connect from 
localhost[127.0.0.1]
Sep 12 17:21:17 kreme postfix/smtpd[872]: BE8231E4E92: 
client=localhost[127.0.0.1]
Sep 12 17:21:17 kreme postfix/cleanup[861]: BE8231E4E92: 
message-id=<20020912232117.BE8231E4E92 at mail.kreme.dyndns.net>
Sep 12 17:21:17 kreme postfix/smtpd[872]: CB7411E4E93: 
client=localhost[127.0.0.1]
Sep 12 17:21:17 kreme postfix/cleanup[861]: CB7411E4E93: 
message-id=<20020912232117.CB7411E4E93 at mail.kreme.dyndns.net>
Sep 12 17:21:17 kreme postfix/smtpd[872]: D51361E4E94: 
client=localhost[127.0.0.1]
Sep 12 17:21:17 kreme postfix/cleanup[861]: D51361E4E94: 
message-id=<20020912232117.D51361E4E94 at mail.kreme.dyndns.net>
Sep 12 17:21:17 kreme postfix/smtpd[872]: disconnect from 
localhost[127.0.0.1]
Sep 12 17:21:17 kreme postfix/qmgr[16511]: BE8231E4E92: 
from=<list-bounces at kreme.com>, size=2191, nrcpt=2 (queue active)
Sep 12 17:21:17 kreme postfix/qmgr[16511]: CB7411E4E93: 
from=<list-bounces at kreme.com>, size=2191, nrcpt=7 (queue active)
Sep 12 17:21:17 kreme postfix/qmgr[16511]: D51361E4E94: 
from=<list-bounces at kreme.com>, size=2191, nrcpt=7 (queue active)
Sep 12 17:21:18 kreme postfix/smtp[873]: BE8231E4E92: 
to=<user1 at domain.com>, relay=southgaylord.com[207.174.31.23], delay=1, 
status=sent (250 S.0000309705 message accepted for delivery)

"kreme.dyndns.net" is not the real name, but the real name is a dyndns 
name.


-- 
You are responsible for your rose.
"Rule 5: Get Kirsten Dunst wet" (p 74 of Time 20-05-02)




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Sep 13 06:54:39 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 13 Sep 2002 00:54:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python problem with cron
In-Reply-To: <B9A6C89E.1DBE%david@gof.se>
References: <B9A6C89E.1DBE%david@gof.se>
Message-ID: <1031892880.5186.11.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Silly question, but is it running in the mailman users cron, or in
root's cron?

What are the rights on /home/backup/sky...?

It could indeed be a python error, but first you should check for a
rights problem, and then for an environment variable problem (is the
"list_members" script using an environment variable that is defined
while you are logged in but not defined when run via cron?).

Is RedHat 7.1 the distro where two versions of Python are on it?  What
happens if you specify the full path to "python" at the command line and
in your cron?

Good Luck,

Jon Carnes
===  
On Thu, 2002-09-12 at 16:41, David wrote:
> Dear gurus,
> 
> Sorry if this is a little bit of topic, but I don't know a better place to
> ask. I upgraded to Mailman 2.1b3 a week ago and run into som cron problems.
> When I did the upgrade I also upgraded Python to version 2.2.1
> 
> I have a couple of cronjobs that do a backup of my listmembers and put them
> on a ftp-server. One of the cronjobs looks like this:
> 
> python /home/mailman/bin/list_members -r -o /home/backup/skydivemembreg
> skydive
> 
> If a run this command from the command line everything works perfect. When
> cron runs the same command I get this error:
> 
>   File "/home/mailman/bin/list_members", line 79
>     print >> sys.stderr, _(__doc__)
>            ^
> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
> 
> The server is a RedHat 7.1. Any clues?
> 
>  TIA,
>  /David
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/





From j.wards at sportnetwork.net  Fri Sep 13 10:22:09 2002
From: j.wards at sportnetwork.net (John Wards)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:22:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & BSD further problems
References: <02a501c25a75$2d6bfb00$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP>
Message-ID: <006701c25afe$a812e9c0$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP>

Can anyone help me on this? I really need a mailing list. If it is
impossible to get mailman working on my system could someone please recomend
another mailing list system that would run on freeBSD. I have hunted and
hunted for one but I can't find one where users can reply to emails like
this!

Cheers
John Wards
SportNetwork.net


> I cannot seem to be able to send messages to my lists or reply to
subscribe
> to lists. I have included all the logs that I can think of. If I have
missed
> any that would be helpful please say.
>
> I have checked my qmail logs and everything seems fine:
> @400000003d80510d0c7a2914 new msg 898
> @400000003d80510d0c88d2fc info msg 898: bytes 1028 from
> <j.wards at sportnetwork.net> qp 73230 uid 1005
> @400000003d80510d0d208304 starting delivery 6510: msg 898 to local
> mailman-test at lists.sportnetwork.net
> @400000003d80510d0ec9936c status: local 1/10 remote 0/20
> @400000003d80510e092316a4 delivery 6510: success: did_0+0+1/
> @400000003d80510e092b5bd4 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20
> @400000003d80510e092f4ba4 end msg 898
>
> I look in my /home/mailman/qfiles/ dir and i see the file:
>
> 8b41040d30571a9389822ef8c26bbd728d5bb11c.msg AND
> 8b41040d30571a9389822ef8c26bbd728d5bb11c.db
>
> Which contain:
>
> >From j.wards at sportnetwork.net Thu Sep 12 08:32:03 2002
> Return-Path: <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> Delivered-To: mailman-test at lists.sportnetwork.net
> Received: (qmail 73230 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 08:32:03 -0000
> Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net (212.69.192.4)
>   by ns1.sportnetwork.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 08:32:03 -0000
> Received: from [212.69.194.109] (helo=durham.serve.co.uk)
>  by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3)
>  id 17pPLd-00055v-00
>  for test at lists.sportnetwork.net; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:29:13 +0100
> Received: from JOHNCOMP (dagroup.demon.co.uk [194.222.172.210])
>  by durham.serve.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g8C8T8512838
>  for <test at lists.sportnetwork.net>; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:29:10 +0100
> Message-ID: <00a701c25a37$0190e790$3100a8c0 at JOHNCOMP>
> From: "John Wards" <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> To: <test at lists.sportnetwork.net>
> Subject: test
> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:32:54 +0100
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain;
>  charset="iso-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> X-Priority: 3
> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000
>
> test
> -------------------------------//E-oF
>
> AND
>
> {s
> -----------------------------//E-of
>
> I do crontab -l as mailman user (I double checked by typing whoami) I get
> this
>
> # At 5PM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests
> 0 17 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs
> #
> # Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold
> delivery.
> 0 12 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests
> #
> # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
> 0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
> #
> # Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one out
> # if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right now,
> # or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling.
> 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S
> /home/mailman/cron/gate_news
> #
> # At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file.  Only
> # turn this on if the internal archiver is used and
> # GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py
> 27 3 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
> #
> # Retry failed deliveries once per minute.
> * * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
>
> I look in the cron logs:
>
> Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73800]: (root) CMD
> (/usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/restart_all.sh > /dev/null)
> Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73801]: (root) CMD (/usr/libexec/atrun)
> Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73802]: (root) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/mrtg --logging /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.log
> /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.cfg)
> Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73803]: (nobody) CMD
> (/home/oasis/public_html/mgmt/minutely_maint.php)
> Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73804]: (mailman) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73805]: (mailman) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news)
> Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73806]: (root) CMD (
> /usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/mail_log.pl > /dev/null)
> Sep 12 09:46:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73920]: (mailman) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> Sep 12 09:47:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73950]: (mailman) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> Sep 12 09:48:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73988]: (mailman) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> Sep 12 09:49:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74045]: (mailman) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74106]: (root) CMD (
> /usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/mail_log.pl > /dev/null)
> Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74107]: (root) CMD (/usr/libexec/atrun)
> Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74108]: (root) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/mrtg --logging /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.log
> /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.cfg)
> Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74109]: (mailman) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74110]: (mailman) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news)
> Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74111]: (nobody) CMD
> (/home/oasis/public_html/mgmt/minutely_maint.php)
> Sep 12 09:51:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74172]: (mailman) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> Sep 12 09:52:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74205]: (mailman) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> Sep 12 09:53:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74235]: (mailman) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> Sep 12 09:54:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74280]: (mailman) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
>
> oh and ~mailman/.qmail-default is set up like:
>
> |preline /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py
>
> Think thats it.........
>
> I am most confuzed.....everything seems to be fine but I am not getting
any
> messages.........
>
> HELP!
>
> Oh I have read through every readme supplyied and set up my system as
> suggested. I have also searched through the archives with the key words
> qmail and bsd.
>
> Cheers
> John Wards
> SportNetwork.net
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Sep 13 10:29:30 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 01:29:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Data files 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Pieter Boshoff" <PBoshoff@mweb.com> 
   of "Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:14:43 +0200." <6F76E514B4D4EA469DACC8D4E2F2AF9B5A6DC9@mwjdc2.mweb.com> 
References: <6F76E514B4D4EA469DACC8D4E2F2AF9B5A6DC9@mwjdc2.mweb.com> 
Message-ID: <4786.1031905770@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:14:43 +0200 
Pieter Boshoff <PBoshoff at mweb.com> wrote:

> Hi all, I need to know what the name is of the db file is where all
> the e-mail addresses are hosted for a mailman list.

config.db.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Sep 13 10:31:25 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 01:31:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] edits 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Kevin" <news@mailstop7.com> 
   of "Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:49:09 EDT." <MCEILFDLLJIMJDEFBAEPEEFNGOAA.news@mailstop7.com> 
References: <MCEILFDLLJIMJDEFBAEPEEFNGOAA.news@mailstop7.com> 
Message-ID: <4840.1031905885@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:49:09 -0400 
news  <Kevin> wrote:

> Any way to edit a moderated message before posting it...

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py 

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Fri Sep 13 12:34:33 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 03:34:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: word wrap rap?
In-Reply-To: <v04220808b9a5bfb3d042@[168.150.192.115]>
References: <v04220808b9a5bfb3d042@[168.150.192.115]>
Message-ID: <20020913103433.GU18350@hq.newdream.net>

Sarah Boone wrote:

> When a plain text/text only email posted to a Mailman list originates 
> from Eudora, the body of the text word wraps; when a plain-text email 
> originates from Microsoft Outlook 2000, a line of text continues ad 
> infinitum.  How can this be changed so that the text wraps in Mailman?

This is a client side issue... Outlook can be configured to wrap lines
but doesn't by default.

Try (nicely) asking people to reconfigure their clients; alternatively,
you could pipe the body of messages to the list through some sort of
formatting program (par or fmt might work)... this could have some
unintended side effects, however.

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Sep 13 16:36:16 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 13 Sep 2002 10:36:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & BSD further problems
In-Reply-To: <006701c25afe$a812e9c0$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP>
References: <02a501c25a75$2d6bfb00$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP> 
	<006701c25afe$a812e9c0$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP>
Message-ID: <1031927777.1683.52.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

So is the problem that the mail is simply sitting in the Mailman queue
directory without being delivered?

Try running qrunner by hand: 
  su - mailman
  /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner

Check your qmail log files before and after running the above.  Do the
same with your mailman log files. 

Good Luck

Jon Carnes
===
On Fri, 2002-09-13 at 04:22, John Wards wrote:
> Can anyone help me on this? I really need a mailing list. If it is
> impossible to get mailman working on my system could someone please recomend
> another mailing list system that would run on freeBSD. I have hunted and
> hunted for one but I can't find one where users can reply to emails like
> this!
> 
> Cheers
> John Wards
> SportNetwork.net
> 
> 
> > I cannot seem to be able to send messages to my lists or reply to
> subscribe
> > to lists. I have included all the logs that I can think of. If I have
> missed
> > any that would be helpful please say.
> >
> > I have checked my qmail logs and everything seems fine:
> > @400000003d80510d0c7a2914 new msg 898
> > @400000003d80510d0c88d2fc info msg 898: bytes 1028 from
> > <j.wards at sportnetwork.net> qp 73230 uid 1005
> > @400000003d80510d0d208304 starting delivery 6510: msg 898 to local
> > mailman-test at lists.sportnetwork.net
> > @400000003d80510d0ec9936c status: local 1/10 remote 0/20
> > @400000003d80510e092316a4 delivery 6510: success: did_0+0+1/
> > @400000003d80510e092b5bd4 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20
> > @400000003d80510e092f4ba4 end msg 898
> >
> > I look in my /home/mailman/qfiles/ dir and i see the file:
> >
> > 8b41040d30571a9389822ef8c26bbd728d5bb11c.msg AND
> > 8b41040d30571a9389822ef8c26bbd728d5bb11c.db
> >
> > Which contain:
> >
> > >From j.wards at sportnetwork.net Thu Sep 12 08:32:03 2002
> > Return-Path: <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> > Delivered-To: mailman-test at lists.sportnetwork.net
> > Received: (qmail 73230 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 08:32:03 -0000
> > Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net (212.69.192.4)
> >   by ns1.sportnetwork.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 08:32:03 -0000
> > Received: from [212.69.194.109] (helo=durham.serve.co.uk)
> >  by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3)
> >  id 17pPLd-00055v-00
> >  for test at lists.sportnetwork.net; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:29:13 +0100
> > Received: from JOHNCOMP (dagroup.demon.co.uk [194.222.172.210])
> >  by durham.serve.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g8C8T8512838
> >  for <test at lists.sportnetwork.net>; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:29:10 +0100
> > Message-ID: <00a701c25a37$0190e790$3100a8c0 at JOHNCOMP>
> > From: "John Wards" <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> > To: <test at lists.sportnetwork.net>
> > Subject: test
> > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:32:54 +0100
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > Content-Type: text/plain;
> >  charset="iso-8859-1"
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > X-Priority: 3
> > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
> > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000
> >
> > test
> > -------------------------------//E-oF
> >
> > AND
> >
> > {s
> > -----------------------------//E-of
> >
> > I do crontab -l as mailman user (I double checked by typing whoami) I get
> > this
> >
> > # At 5PM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests
> > 0 17 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs
> > #
> > # Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold
> > delivery.
> > 0 12 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests
> > #
> > # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
> > 0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
> > #
> > # Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one out
> > # if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right now,
> > # or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling.
> > 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S
> > /home/mailman/cron/gate_news
> > #
> > # At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file.  Only
> > # turn this on if the internal archiver is used and
> > # GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py
> > 27 3 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
> > #
> > # Retry failed deliveries once per minute.
> > * * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
> >
> > I look in the cron logs:
> >
> > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73800]: (root) CMD
> > (/usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/restart_all.sh > /dev/null)
> > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73801]: (root) CMD (/usr/libexec/atrun)
> > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73802]: (root) CMD
> > (/usr/local/bin/mrtg --logging /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.log
> > /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.cfg)
> > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73803]: (nobody) CMD
> > (/home/oasis/public_html/mgmt/minutely_maint.php)
> > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73804]: (mailman) CMD
> > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73805]: (mailman) CMD
> > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news)
> > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73806]: (root) CMD (
> > /usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/mail_log.pl > /dev/null)
> > Sep 12 09:46:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73920]: (mailman) CMD
> > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > Sep 12 09:47:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73950]: (mailman) CMD
> > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > Sep 12 09:48:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73988]: (mailman) CMD
> > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > Sep 12 09:49:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74045]: (mailman) CMD
> > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74106]: (root) CMD (
> > /usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/mail_log.pl > /dev/null)
> > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74107]: (root) CMD (/usr/libexec/atrun)
> > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74108]: (root) CMD
> > (/usr/local/bin/mrtg --logging /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.log
> > /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.cfg)
> > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74109]: (mailman) CMD
> > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74110]: (mailman) CMD
> > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news)
> > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74111]: (nobody) CMD
> > (/home/oasis/public_html/mgmt/minutely_maint.php)
> > Sep 12 09:51:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74172]: (mailman) CMD
> > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > Sep 12 09:52:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74205]: (mailman) CMD
> > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > Sep 12 09:53:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74235]: (mailman) CMD
> > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > Sep 12 09:54:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74280]: (mailman) CMD
> > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> >
> > oh and ~mailman/.qmail-default is set up like:
> >
> > |preline /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py
> >
> > Think thats it.........
> >
> > I am most confuzed.....everything seems to be fine but I am not getting
> any
> > messages.........
> >
> > HELP!
> >
> > Oh I have read through every readme supplyied and set up my system as
> > suggested. I have also searched through the archives with the key words
> > qmail and bsd.
> >
> > Cheers
> > John Wards
> > SportNetwork.net
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
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> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
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> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
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From j.wards at sportnetwork.net  Fri Sep 13 16:58:44 2002
From: j.wards at sportnetwork.net (John Wards)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:58:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & BSD further problems
References: <02a501c25a75$2d6bfb00$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP> <006701c25afe$a812e9c0$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP> <1031927777.1683.52.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <018e01c25b36$0fdfec10$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP>

I do this:
 /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron qrunner

I get this out!

??crontab.in
    ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax

Any clues?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
To: "John Wards" <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & BSD further problems


> So is the problem that the mail is simply sitting in the Mailman queue
> directory without being delivered?
>
> Try running qrunner by hand:
>   su - mailman
>   /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
>
> Check your qmail log files before and after running the above.  Do the
> same with your mailman log files.
>
> Good Luck
>
> Jon Carnes
> ===
> On Fri, 2002-09-13 at 04:22, John Wards wrote:
> > Can anyone help me on this? I really need a mailing list. If it is
> > impossible to get mailman working on my system could someone please
recomend
> > another mailing list system that would run on freeBSD. I have hunted and
> > hunted for one but I can't find one where users can reply to emails like
> > this!
> >
> > Cheers
> > John Wards
> > SportNetwork.net
> >
> >
> > > I cannot seem to be able to send messages to my lists or reply to
> > subscribe
> > > to lists. I have included all the logs that I can think of. If I have
> > missed
> > > any that would be helpful please say.
> > >
> > > I have checked my qmail logs and everything seems fine:
> > > @400000003d80510d0c7a2914 new msg 898
> > > @400000003d80510d0c88d2fc info msg 898: bytes 1028 from
> > > <j.wards at sportnetwork.net> qp 73230 uid 1005
> > > @400000003d80510d0d208304 starting delivery 6510: msg 898 to local
> > > mailman-test at lists.sportnetwork.net
> > > @400000003d80510d0ec9936c status: local 1/10 remote 0/20
> > > @400000003d80510e092316a4 delivery 6510: success: did_0+0+1/
> > > @400000003d80510e092b5bd4 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20
> > > @400000003d80510e092f4ba4 end msg 898
> > >
> > > I look in my /home/mailman/qfiles/ dir and i see the file:
> > >
> > > 8b41040d30571a9389822ef8c26bbd728d5bb11c.msg AND
> > > 8b41040d30571a9389822ef8c26bbd728d5bb11c.db
> > >
> > > Which contain:
> > >
> > > >From j.wards at sportnetwork.net Thu Sep 12 08:32:03 2002
> > > Return-Path: <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> > > Delivered-To: mailman-test at lists.sportnetwork.net
> > > Received: (qmail 73230 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002
08:32:03 -0000
> > > Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net (212.69.192.4)
> > >   by ns1.sportnetwork.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 08:32:03 -0000
> > > Received: from [212.69.194.109] (helo=durham.serve.co.uk)
> > >  by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3)
> > >  id 17pPLd-00055v-00
> > >  for test at lists.sportnetwork.net; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:29:13 +0100
> > > Received: from JOHNCOMP (dagroup.demon.co.uk [194.222.172.210])
> > >  by durham.serve.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g8C8T8512838
> > >  for <test at lists.sportnetwork.net>; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:29:10 +0100
> > > Message-ID: <00a701c25a37$0190e790$3100a8c0 at JOHNCOMP>
> > > From: "John Wards" <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> > > To: <test at lists.sportnetwork.net>
> > > Subject: test
> > > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:32:54 +0100
> > > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > >  charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > > X-Priority: 3
> > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
> > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000
> > >
> > > test
> > > -------------------------------//E-oF
> > >
> > > AND
> > >
> > > {s
> > > -----------------------------//E-of
> > >
> > > I do crontab -l as mailman user (I double checked by typing whoami) I
get
> > > this
> > >
> > > # At 5PM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests
> > > 0 17 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs
> > > #
> > > # Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold
> > > delivery.
> > > 0 12 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests
> > > #
> > > # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
> > > 0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
> > > #
> > > # Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one
out
> > > # if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right
now,
> > > # or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling.
> > > 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S
> > > /home/mailman/cron/gate_news
> > > #
> > > # At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file.  Only
> > > # turn this on if the internal archiver is used and
> > > # GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py
> > > 27 3 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
> > > #
> > > # Retry failed deliveries once per minute.
> > > * * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
> > >
> > > I look in the cron logs:
> > >
> > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73800]: (root) CMD
> > > (/usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/restart_all.sh > /dev/null)
> > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73801]: (root) CMD
(/usr/libexec/atrun)
> > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73802]: (root) CMD
> > > (/usr/local/bin/mrtg --logging /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.log
> > > /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.cfg)
> > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73803]: (nobody) CMD
> > > (/home/oasis/public_html/mgmt/minutely_maint.php)
> > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73804]: (mailman) CMD
> > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73805]: (mailman) CMD
> > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news)
> > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73806]: (root) CMD (
> > > /usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/mail_log.pl > /dev/null)
> > > Sep 12 09:46:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73920]: (mailman) CMD
> > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > Sep 12 09:47:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73950]: (mailman) CMD
> > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > Sep 12 09:48:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73988]: (mailman) CMD
> > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > Sep 12 09:49:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74045]: (mailman) CMD
> > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74106]: (root) CMD (
> > > /usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/mail_log.pl > /dev/null)
> > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74107]: (root) CMD
(/usr/libexec/atrun)
> > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74108]: (root) CMD
> > > (/usr/local/bin/mrtg --logging /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.log
> > > /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.cfg)
> > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74109]: (mailman) CMD
> > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74110]: (mailman) CMD
> > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news)
> > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74111]: (nobody) CMD
> > > (/home/oasis/public_html/mgmt/minutely_maint.php)
> > > Sep 12 09:51:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74172]: (mailman) CMD
> > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > Sep 12 09:52:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74205]: (mailman) CMD
> > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > Sep 12 09:53:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74235]: (mailman) CMD
> > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > Sep 12 09:54:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74280]: (mailman) CMD
> > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > >
> > > oh and ~mailman/.qmail-default is set up like:
> > >
> > > |preline /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py
> > >
> > > Think thats it.........
> > >
> > > I am most confuzed.....everything seems to be fine but I am not
getting
> > any
> > > messages.........
> > >
> > > HELP!
> > >
> > > Oh I have read through every readme supplyied and set up my system as
> > > suggested. I have also searched through the archives with the key
words
> > > qmail and bsd.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > John Wards
> > > SportNetwork.net
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > Searchable Archives:
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
>
>
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From jarrell at vt.edu  Fri Sep 13 16:59:21 2002
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:59:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & BSD further problems
In-Reply-To: <018e01c25b36$0fdfec10$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP>
References: <02a501c25a75$2d6bfb00$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP>
 <006701c25afe$a812e9c0$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP>
 <1031927777.1683.52.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020913105746.01f84e30@lennier.cc.vt.edu>

At 03:58 PM 9/13/02 +0100, John Wards wrote:
>I do this:
>  /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron qrunner
>
>I get this out!
>
>??crontab.in
>     ^
>SyntaxError: invalid syntax
>
>Any clues?


Yea... Re-read the example below and fix your typo :-).  There's no space 
between cron and qrunner, it's a slash...  You told it to run a directory, 
and python is finding the internal binary format of the directory entries 
to be not very understandable as source code.

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
>To: "John Wards" <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
>Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
>Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 3:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & BSD further problems
>
>
> > So is the problem that the mail is simply sitting in the Mailman queue
> > directory without being delivered?
> >
> > Try running qrunner by hand:
> >   su - mailman
> >   /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
> >
> > Check your qmail log files before and after running the above.  Do the
> > same with your mailman log files.
> >
> > Good Luck
> >
> > Jon Carnes
> > ===
> > On Fri, 2002-09-13 at 04:22, John Wards wrote:
> > > Can anyone help me on this? I really need a mailing list. If it is
> > > impossible to get mailman working on my system could someone please
>recomend
> > > another mailing list system that would run on freeBSD. I have hunted and
> > > hunted for one but I can't find one where users can reply to emails like
> > > this!
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > John Wards
> > > SportNetwork.net
> > >
> > >
> > > > I cannot seem to be able to send messages to my lists or reply to
> > > subscribe
> > > > to lists. I have included all the logs that I can think of. If I have
> > > missed
> > > > any that would be helpful please say.
> > > >
> > > > I have checked my qmail logs and everything seems fine:
> > > > @400000003d80510d0c7a2914 new msg 898
> > > > @400000003d80510d0c88d2fc info msg 898: bytes 1028 from
> > > > <j.wards at sportnetwork.net> qp 73230 uid 1005
> > > > @400000003d80510d0d208304 starting delivery 6510: msg 898 to local
> > > > mailman-test at lists.sportnetwork.net
> > > > @400000003d80510d0ec9936c status: local 1/10 remote 0/20
> > > > @400000003d80510e092316a4 delivery 6510: success: did_0+0+1/
> > > > @400000003d80510e092b5bd4 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20
> > > > @400000003d80510e092f4ba4 end msg 898
> > > >
> > > > I look in my /home/mailman/qfiles/ dir and i see the file:
> > > >
> > > > 8b41040d30571a9389822ef8c26bbd728d5bb11c.msg AND
> > > > 8b41040d30571a9389822ef8c26bbd728d5bb11c.db
> > > >
> > > > Which contain:
> > > >
> > > > >From j.wards at sportnetwork.net Thu Sep 12 08:32:03 2002
> > > > Return-Path: <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> > > > Delivered-To: mailman-test at lists.sportnetwork.net
> > > > Received: (qmail 73230 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002
>08:32:03 -0000
> > > > Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net (212.69.192.4)
> > > >   by ns1.sportnetwork.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 08:32:03 -0000
> > > > Received: from [212.69.194.109] (helo=durham.serve.co.uk)
> > > >  by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3)
> > > >  id 17pPLd-00055v-00
> > > >  for test at lists.sportnetwork.net; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:29:13 +0100
> > > > Received: from JOHNCOMP (dagroup.demon.co.uk [194.222.172.210])
> > > >  by durham.serve.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g8C8T8512838
> > > >  for <test at lists.sportnetwork.net>; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:29:10 +0100
> > > > Message-ID: <00a701c25a37$0190e790$3100a8c0 at JOHNCOMP>
> > > > From: "John Wards" <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> > > > To: <test at lists.sportnetwork.net>
> > > > Subject: test
> > > > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:32:54 +0100
> > > > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > > >  charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > > > X-Priority: 3
> > > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> > > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
> > > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000
> > > >
> > > > test
> > > > -------------------------------//E-oF
> > > >
> > > > AND
> > > >
> > > > {s
> > > > -----------------------------//E-of
> > > >
> > > > I do crontab -l as mailman user (I double checked by typing whoami) I
>get
> > > > this
> > > >
> > > > # At 5PM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests
> > > > 0 17 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs
> > > > #
> > > > # Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold
> > > > delivery.
> > > > 0 12 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests
> > > > #
> > > > # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
> > > > 0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
> > > > #
> > > > # Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one
>out
> > > > # if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right
>now,
> > > > # or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling.
> > > > 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S
> > > > /home/mailman/cron/gate_news
> > > > #
> > > > # At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file.  Only
> > > > # turn this on if the internal archiver is used and
> > > > # GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py
> > > > 27 3 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
> > > > #
> > > > # Retry failed deliveries once per minute.
> > > > * * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
> > > >
> > > > I look in the cron logs:
> > > >
> > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73800]: (root) CMD
> > > > (/usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/restart_all.sh > /dev/null)
> > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73801]: (root) CMD
>(/usr/libexec/atrun)
> > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73802]: (root) CMD
> > > > (/usr/local/bin/mrtg --logging /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.log
> > > > /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.cfg)
> > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73803]: (nobody) CMD
> > > > (/home/oasis/public_html/mgmt/minutely_maint.php)
> > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73804]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73805]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news)
> > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73806]: (root) CMD (
> > > > /usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/mail_log.pl > /dev/null)
> > > > Sep 12 09:46:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73920]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > Sep 12 09:47:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73950]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > Sep 12 09:48:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73988]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > Sep 12 09:49:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74045]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74106]: (root) CMD (
> > > > /usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/mail_log.pl > /dev/null)
> > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74107]: (root) CMD
>(/usr/libexec/atrun)
> > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74108]: (root) CMD
> > > > (/usr/local/bin/mrtg --logging /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.log
> > > > /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.cfg)
> > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74109]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74110]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news)
> > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74111]: (nobody) CMD
> > > > (/home/oasis/public_html/mgmt/minutely_maint.php)
> > > > Sep 12 09:51:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74172]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > Sep 12 09:52:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74205]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > Sep 12 09:53:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74235]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > Sep 12 09:54:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74280]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > >
> > > > oh and ~mailman/.qmail-default is set up like:
> > > >
> > > > |preline /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py
> > > >
> > > > Think thats it.........
> > > >
> > > > I am most confuzed.....everything seems to be fine but I am not
>getting
> > > any
> > > > messages.........
> > > >
> > > > HELP!
> > > >
> > > > Oh I have read through every readme supplyied and set up my system as
> > > > suggested. I have also searched through the archives with the key
>words
> > > > qmail and bsd.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > John Wards
> > > > SportNetwork.net
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > > Searchable Archives:
> > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > >
> > >
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> > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > Searchable Archives:
>http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
> >
> >
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From barry at python.org  Fri Sep 13 16:59:23 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:59:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderators Interface
References: <20020912090733.5d390b63.raquel@thericehouse.net>
Message-ID: <15745.64843.959752.996083@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "RR" == Raquel Rice <raquel at thericehouse.net> writes:

    RR> I've just upgraded to using Mailman 2.1b3, which provides for
    RR> an "administrator" and a "moderator".  In the password setup,
    RR> I've specified seperate passwords and in the general options
    RR> I've specified seperate addresses.  However, at the admin
    RR> login, the moderator cannot login using her password.  Is
    RR> there a seperate page for the moderator(s) to login?

Yes.

The admin password gives you access to both the admin and admindb
pages, but the moderator password only gives you access to the admindb
page.  I.e. the moderator can only moderate the list but can't change
its options.

-Barry



From j.wards at sportnetwork.net  Fri Sep 13 17:09:06 2002
From: j.wards at sportnetwork.net (John Wards)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:09:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & BSD further problems
References: <02a501c25a75$2d6bfb00$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP> <006701c25afe$a812e9c0$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP> <1031927777.1683.52.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020913105746.01f84e30@lennier.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <019801c25b37$831251e0$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP>

ooooooops.......sorry about that

Re did it and got this this time:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 276, in ?
    lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
    self.__write()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
    fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/home/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.www.sportnetwork.net.19751'

elp!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Jarrell" <jarrell at vt.edu>
To: "John Wards" <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & BSD further problems


> At 03:58 PM 9/13/02 +0100, John Wards wrote:
> >I do this:
> >  /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron qrunner
> >
> >I get this out!
> >
> >??crontab.in
> >     ^
> >SyntaxError: invalid syntax
> >
> >Any clues?
>
>
> Yea... Re-read the example below and fix your typo :-).  There's no space
> between cron and qrunner, it's a slash...  You told it to run a directory,
> and python is finding the internal binary format of the directory entries
> to be not very understandable as source code.
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> >To: "John Wards" <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> >Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
> >Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 3:36 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & BSD further problems
> >
> >
> > > So is the problem that the mail is simply sitting in the Mailman queue
> > > directory without being delivered?
> > >
> > > Try running qrunner by hand:
> > >   su - mailman
> > >   /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
> > >
> > > Check your qmail log files before and after running the above.  Do the
> > > same with your mailman log files.
> > >
> > > Good Luck
> > >
> > > Jon Carnes
> > > ===
> > > On Fri, 2002-09-13 at 04:22, John Wards wrote:
> > > > Can anyone help me on this? I really need a mailing list. If it is
> > > > impossible to get mailman working on my system could someone please
> >recomend
> > > > another mailing list system that would run on freeBSD. I have hunted
and
> > > > hunted for one but I can't find one where users can reply to emails
like
> > > > this!
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > John Wards
> > > > SportNetwork.net
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I cannot seem to be able to send messages to my lists or reply to
> > > > subscribe
> > > > > to lists. I have included all the logs that I can think of. If I
have
> > > > missed
> > > > > any that would be helpful please say.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have checked my qmail logs and everything seems fine:
> > > > > @400000003d80510d0c7a2914 new msg 898
> > > > > @400000003d80510d0c88d2fc info msg 898: bytes 1028 from
> > > > > <j.wards at sportnetwork.net> qp 73230 uid 1005
> > > > > @400000003d80510d0d208304 starting delivery 6510: msg 898 to local
> > > > > mailman-test at lists.sportnetwork.net
> > > > > @400000003d80510d0ec9936c status: local 1/10 remote 0/20
> > > > > @400000003d80510e092316a4 delivery 6510: success: did_0+0+1/
> > > > > @400000003d80510e092b5bd4 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20
> > > > > @400000003d80510e092f4ba4 end msg 898
> > > > >
> > > > > I look in my /home/mailman/qfiles/ dir and i see the file:
> > > > >
> > > > > 8b41040d30571a9389822ef8c26bbd728d5bb11c.msg AND
> > > > > 8b41040d30571a9389822ef8c26bbd728d5bb11c.db
> > > > >
> > > > > Which contain:
> > > > >
> > > > > >From j.wards at sportnetwork.net Thu Sep 12 08:32:03 2002
> > > > > Return-Path: <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> > > > > Delivered-To: mailman-test at lists.sportnetwork.net
> > > > > Received: (qmail 73230 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002
> >08:32:03 -0000
> > > > > Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net (212.69.192.4)
> > > > >   by ns1.sportnetwork.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 08:32:03 -0000
> > > > > Received: from [212.69.194.109] (helo=durham.serve.co.uk)
> > > > >  by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3)
> > > > >  id 17pPLd-00055v-00
> > > > >  for test at lists.sportnetwork.net; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:29:13 +0100
> > > > > Received: from JOHNCOMP (dagroup.demon.co.uk [194.222.172.210])
> > > > >  by durham.serve.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g8C8T8512838
> > > > >  for <test at lists.sportnetwork.net>; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:29:10
+0100
> > > > > Message-ID: <00a701c25a37$0190e790$3100a8c0 at JOHNCOMP>
> > > > > From: "John Wards" <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> > > > > To: <test at lists.sportnetwork.net>
> > > > > Subject: test
> > > > > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:32:54 +0100
> > > > > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > > > >  charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > > > > X-Priority: 3
> > > > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> > > > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
> > > > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000
> > > > >
> > > > > test
> > > > > -------------------------------//E-oF
> > > > >
> > > > > AND
> > > > >
> > > > > {s
> > > > > -----------------------------//E-of
> > > > >
> > > > > I do crontab -l as mailman user (I double checked by typing
whoami) I
> >get
> > > > > this
> > > > >
> > > > > # At 5PM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending
requests
> > > > > 0 17 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs
> > > > > #
> > > > > # Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as
threshhold
> > > > > delivery.
> > > > > 0 12 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests
> > > > > #
> > > > > # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
> > > > > 0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
> > > > > #
> > > > > # Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this
one
> >out
> > > > > # if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on
right
> >now,
> > > > > # or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of
polling.
> > > > > 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S
> > > > > /home/mailman/cron/gate_news
> > > > > #
> > > > > # At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file.  Only
> > > > > # turn this on if the internal archiver is used and
> > > > > # GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py
> > > > > 27 3 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S
/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
> > > > > #
> > > > > # Retry failed deliveries once per minute.
> > > > > * * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
> > > > >
> > > > > I look in the cron logs:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73800]: (root) CMD
> > > > > (/usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/restart_all.sh > /dev/null)
> > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73801]: (root) CMD
> >(/usr/libexec/atrun)
> > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73802]: (root) CMD
> > > > > (/usr/local/bin/mrtg --logging /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.log
> > > > > /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.cfg)
> > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73803]: (nobody) CMD
> > > > > (/home/oasis/public_html/mgmt/minutely_maint.php)
> > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73804]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73805]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news)
> > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73806]: (root) CMD (
> > > > > /usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/mail_log.pl > /dev/null)
> > > > > Sep 12 09:46:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73920]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > Sep 12 09:47:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73950]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > Sep 12 09:48:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73988]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > Sep 12 09:49:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74045]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74106]: (root) CMD (
> > > > > /usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/mail_log.pl > /dev/null)
> > > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74107]: (root) CMD
> >(/usr/libexec/atrun)
> > > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74108]: (root) CMD
> > > > > (/usr/local/bin/mrtg --logging /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.log
> > > > > /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.cfg)
> > > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74109]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74110]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news)
> > > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74111]: (nobody) CMD
> > > > > (/home/oasis/public_html/mgmt/minutely_maint.php)
> > > > > Sep 12 09:51:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74172]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > Sep 12 09:52:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74205]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > Sep 12 09:53:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74235]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > Sep 12 09:54:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74280]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > >
> > > > > oh and ~mailman/.qmail-default is set up like:
> > > > >
> > > > > |preline /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py
> > > > >
> > > > > Think thats it.........
> > > > >
> > > > > I am most confuzed.....everything seems to be fine but I am not
> >getting
> > > > any
> > > > > messages.........
> > > > >
> > > > > HELP!
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh I have read through every readme supplyied and set up my system
as
> > > > > suggested. I have also searched through the archives with the key
> >words
> > > > > qmail and bsd.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > John Wards
> > > > > SportNetwork.net
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > > > Searchable Archives:
> > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > > >
> > > >
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From barry at python.org  Fri Sep 13 17:10:40 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:10:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do you edit a moderated message?
References: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10209120946530.22156-100000@library.berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <15745.65520.58171.529019@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "GM" == Garey Mills <gmills at library.berkeley.edu> writes:

    GM> 	Using both pine and the Unix mail program, if I
    GM> respond to the moderation message, the text of the message
    GM> held for moderation is not included in the reply; likewise, if
    GM> I forward the message to myself from the moderation webpage,
    GM> and then try to reply to it or forward it, the mailer does not
    GM> include the original message in the new message, so I can't
    GM> edit the text. If I compose a new message and then cut and
    GM> paste the original message into the new message, the resulting
    GM> message shows up in the list as coming from me (not to mention
    GM> the fact that the 'Approved:' header is not used or needed as
    GM> described in the instructions).

    GM> 	Would someone care to clear this up for me? I manage a
    GM> site with multiple lists; most moderated by relatively
    GM> unsophisticated users, and they are depending on me to
    GM> instruct them in how to moderate. If I can't figure it out, I
    GM> can't help them.

Here's what I do.  I admit that it's somewhat awkward.

First, I forward the held message to myself via the -owner address.
When the message shows up in my inbox, it's in a MIME encapsulation,
meaning the message I got was a message/rfc822 container with the
entire held message as a subpart.

My mail reader has a command called "bursting" which basically takes a
message/rfc822 or multipart/digest message and gives me a folder view
of all the contained messages.  In this case, I burst the
message/rfc822 into a folder containing one message -- the forwarded
hold.

Now, my mail reader has another command called "resend" which
basically copies the original message unchanged into a composition
window, adding a Resent-To header.  This is a mail trick to resend a
message preserving as much of the original headers as possible.

So in this window I edit the contents of the message to my admin's
heart's content, set the Resent-To header back to the list, and then
add an Approved header with the list password.  When I hit send, this
message goes to the list without being held.  Viola!  (or more
preferrably Contrabasso! :).

I usually don't discard the original held message until I'm sure my
approved resend has gone through the list.

HTH,
-Barry



From barry at python.org  Fri Sep 13 17:13:58 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:13:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Keep old configuration files!!!
References: <20020912184030.68101.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <15746.182.501985.550120@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "DS" == David Sammons <sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx> writes:

    DS>    I?m working with MM2.1b3 the config.db files from
    DS> prior MM version are now config.pck,

Right.  In MM2.1 we've changed from a marshal format to a pickle
format because the latter is much more robust.
    
    DS> i have to reinstall and change the domain name (i.e. actually
    DS> i have my.domain1.com i?m trying to change to my.domain2.com)
    DS> how can i do that??...

bin/withlist is the way I'd do it, although that'll be a bit manual.
In the next beta release, bin/fix_url.py will make this much easier
once you've set up your virtual domains.

    DS>     Will the new installation remove previous config
    DS> (config.pck) files??...

I'm not sure I understand the question.  config.pck acts just like the
old config.db files did, i.e. when you make a change to your list
config, it writes a new config.pck, then rotates the old one to a
backup file.  MM2.1 won't touch your config.db files after converting
them to .pck files.

-Barry



From barry at python.org  Fri Sep 13 17:15:44 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:15:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python problem with cron
References: <20020912160005.2283.88733.Mailman@mail.python.org>
	<B9A6C89E.1DBE%david@gof.se>
Message-ID: <15746.288.563990.65807@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "david" ==   <david at gof.se> writes:

    david> Sorry if this is a little bit of topic, but I don't know a
    david> better place to ask. I upgraded to Mailman 2.1b3 a week ago
    david> and run into som cron problems.  When I did the upgrade I
    david> also upgraded Python to version 2.2.1

Did you re-run configure and make sure that you're pointing at the
Python 2.2.1 executable?  If you're not sure, rerun configure
--with-python.

    |   File "/home/mailman/bin/list_members", line 79
    |     print >> sys.stderr, _(__doc__)
    |            ^
    | SyntaxError: invalid syntax

    david> The server is a RedHat 7.1. Any clues?

You're cron scripts are pointed at an older Python, not at the 2.2.1
you upgraded to.

-Barry




From gmills at library.berkeley.edu  Fri Sep 13 17:16:22 2002
From: gmills at library.berkeley.edu (Garey Mills)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:16:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do you edit a moderated message?
In-Reply-To: <15745.65520.58171.529019@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10209130815390.31687-100000@library.berkeley.edu>

Barry -

	Thanks for the response. Which mail reader do you use?

Garey Mills


On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> 
> >>>>> "GM" == Garey Mills <gmills at library.berkeley.edu> writes:
> 
>     GM> 	Using both pine and the Unix mail program, if I
>     GM> respond to the moderation message, the text of the message
>     GM> held for moderation is not included in the reply; likewise, if
>     GM> I forward the message to myself from the moderation webpage,
>     GM> and then try to reply to it or forward it, the mailer does not
>     GM> include the original message in the new message, so I can't
>     GM> edit the text. If I compose a new message and then cut and
>     GM> paste the original message into the new message, the resulting
>     GM> message shows up in the list as coming from me (not to mention
>     GM> the fact that the 'Approved:' header is not used or needed as
>     GM> described in the instructions).
> 
>     GM> 	Would someone care to clear this up for me? I manage a
>     GM> site with multiple lists; most moderated by relatively
>     GM> unsophisticated users, and they are depending on me to
>     GM> instruct them in how to moderate. If I can't figure it out, I
>     GM> can't help them.
> 
> Here's what I do.  I admit that it's somewhat awkward.
> 
> First, I forward the held message to myself via the -owner address.
> When the message shows up in my inbox, it's in a MIME encapsulation,
> meaning the message I got was a message/rfc822 container with the
> entire held message as a subpart.
> 
> My mail reader has a command called "bursting" which basically takes a
> message/rfc822 or multipart/digest message and gives me a folder view
> of all the contained messages.  In this case, I burst the
> message/rfc822 into a folder containing one message -- the forwarded
> hold.
> 
> Now, my mail reader has another command called "resend" which
> basically copies the original message unchanged into a composition
> window, adding a Resent-To header.  This is a mail trick to resend a
> message preserving as much of the original headers as possible.
> 
> So in this window I edit the contents of the message to my admin's
> heart's content, set the Resent-To header back to the list, and then
> add an Approved header with the list password.  When I hit send, this
> message goes to the list without being held.  Viola!  (or more
> preferrably Contrabasso! :).
> 
> I usually don't discard the original held message until I'm sure my
> approved resend has gone through the list.
> 
> HTH,
> -Barry
> 




From jarrell at vt.edu  Fri Sep 13 17:16:28 2002
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:16:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & BSD further problems
In-Reply-To: <019801c25b37$831251e0$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP>
References: <02a501c25a75$2d6bfb00$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP>
 <006701c25afe$a812e9c0$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP>
 <1031927777.1683.52.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20020913105746.01f84e30@lennier.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020913111413.01fb17a0@lennier.cc.vt.edu>

You've screwed your permissions up (or ran some portion of mailman as the 
wrong user - accidentally running stuff as root can do it, because most of 
mailman runs as mailman.)

qrunner can't write it's lock file, so you're queue isn't running.

run /home/mailman/bin/check_perms and see what it bitches about.  You'll 
probably end up running it as root with the "-f" option to fix things.  You 
might need to run it more than once in a row, until it stops complaining 
about things.

At 04:09 PM 9/13/02 +0100, John Wards wrote:
>ooooooops.......sorry about that
>
>Re did it and got this this time:
>
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 276, in ?
>     lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
>     self.__write()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
>     fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
>IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
>'/home/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.www.sportnetwork.net.19751'
>
>elp!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ron Jarrell" <jarrell at vt.edu>
>To: "John Wards" <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
>Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
>Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 3:59 PM
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & BSD further problems
>
>
> > At 03:58 PM 9/13/02 +0100, John Wards wrote:
> > >I do this:
> > >  /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron qrunner
> > >
> > >I get this out!
> > >
> > >??crontab.in
> > >     ^
> > >SyntaxError: invalid syntax
> > >
> > >Any clues?
> >
> >
> > Yea... Re-read the example below and fix your typo :-).  There's no space
> > between cron and qrunner, it's a slash...  You told it to run a directory,
> > and python is finding the internal binary format of the directory entries
> > to be not very understandable as source code.
> >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> > >To: "John Wards" <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> > >Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
> > >Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 3:36 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & BSD further problems
> > >
> > >
> > > > So is the problem that the mail is simply sitting in the Mailman queue
> > > > directory without being delivered?
> > > >
> > > > Try running qrunner by hand:
> > > >   su - mailman
> > > >   /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
> > > >
> > > > Check your qmail log files before and after running the above.  Do the
> > > > same with your mailman log files.
> > > >
> > > > Good Luck
> > > >
> > > > Jon Carnes
> > > > ===
> > > > On Fri, 2002-09-13 at 04:22, John Wards wrote:
> > > > > Can anyone help me on this? I really need a mailing list. If it is
> > > > > impossible to get mailman working on my system could someone please
> > >recomend
> > > > > another mailing list system that would run on freeBSD. I have hunted
>and
> > > > > hunted for one but I can't find one where users can reply to emails
>like
> > > > > this!
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > John Wards
> > > > > SportNetwork.net
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I cannot seem to be able to send messages to my lists or reply to
> > > > > subscribe
> > > > > > to lists. I have included all the logs that I can think of. If I
>have
> > > > > missed
> > > > > > any that would be helpful please say.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have checked my qmail logs and everything seems fine:
> > > > > > @400000003d80510d0c7a2914 new msg 898
> > > > > > @400000003d80510d0c88d2fc info msg 898: bytes 1028 from
> > > > > > <j.wards at sportnetwork.net> qp 73230 uid 1005
> > > > > > @400000003d80510d0d208304 starting delivery 6510: msg 898 to local
> > > > > > mailman-test at lists.sportnetwork.net
> > > > > > @400000003d80510d0ec9936c status: local 1/10 remote 0/20
> > > > > > @400000003d80510e092316a4 delivery 6510: success: did_0+0+1/
> > > > > > @400000003d80510e092b5bd4 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20
> > > > > > @400000003d80510e092f4ba4 end msg 898
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I look in my /home/mailman/qfiles/ dir and i see the file:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 8b41040d30571a9389822ef8c26bbd728d5bb11c.msg AND
> > > > > > 8b41040d30571a9389822ef8c26bbd728d5bb11c.db
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Which contain:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From j.wards at sportnetwork.net Thu Sep 12 08:32:03 2002
> > > > > > Return-Path: <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> > > > > > Delivered-To: mailman-test at lists.sportnetwork.net
> > > > > > Received: (qmail 73230 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002
> > >08:32:03 -0000
> > > > > > Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net (212.69.192.4)
> > > > > >   by ns1.sportnetwork.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 08:32:03 -0000
> > > > > > Received: from [212.69.194.109] (helo=durham.serve.co.uk)
> > > > > >  by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3)
> > > > > >  id 17pPLd-00055v-00
> > > > > >  for test at lists.sportnetwork.net; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:29:13 +0100
> > > > > > Received: from JOHNCOMP (dagroup.demon.co.uk [194.222.172.210])
> > > > > >  by durham.serve.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g8C8T8512838
> > > > > >  for <test at lists.sportnetwork.net>; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:29:10
>+0100
> > > > > > Message-ID: <00a701c25a37$0190e790$3100a8c0 at JOHNCOMP>
> > > > > > From: "John Wards" <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> > > > > > To: <test at lists.sportnetwork.net>
> > > > > > Subject: test
> > > > > > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:32:54 +0100
> > > > > > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > > > > >  charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > > > > > X-Priority: 3
> > > > > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> > > > > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
> > > > > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000
> > > > > >
> > > > > > test
> > > > > > -------------------------------//E-oF
> > > > > >
> > > > > > AND
> > > > > >
> > > > > > {s
> > > > > > -----------------------------//E-of
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I do crontab -l as mailman user (I double checked by typing
>whoami) I
> > >get
> > > > > > this
> > > > > >
> > > > > > # At 5PM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending
>requests
> > > > > > 0 17 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs
> > > > > > #
> > > > > > # Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as
>threshhold
> > > > > > delivery.
> > > > > > 0 12 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests
> > > > > > #
> > > > > > # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
> > > > > > 0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
> > > > > > #
> > > > > > # Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this
>one
> > >out
> > > > > > # if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on
>right
> > >now,
> > > > > > # or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of
>polling.
> > > > > > 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S
> > > > > > /home/mailman/cron/gate_news
> > > > > > #
> > > > > > # At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file.  Only
> > > > > > # turn this on if the internal archiver is used and
> > > > > > # GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py
> > > > > > 27 3 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S
>/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
> > > > > > #
> > > > > > # Retry failed deliveries once per minute.
> > > > > > * * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I look in the cron logs:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73800]: (root) CMD
> > > > > > (/usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/restart_all.sh > /dev/null)
> > > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73801]: (root) CMD
> > >(/usr/libexec/atrun)
> > > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73802]: (root) CMD
> > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/mrtg --logging /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.log
> > > > > > /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.cfg)
> > > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73803]: (nobody) CMD
> > > > > > (/home/oasis/public_html/mgmt/minutely_maint.php)
> > > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73804]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73805]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news)
> > > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73806]: (root) CMD (
> > > > > > /usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/mail_log.pl > /dev/null)
> > > > > > Sep 12 09:46:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73920]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > Sep 12 09:47:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73950]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > Sep 12 09:48:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73988]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > Sep 12 09:49:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74045]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74106]: (root) CMD (
> > > > > > /usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/mail_log.pl > /dev/null)
> > > > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74107]: (root) CMD
> > >(/usr/libexec/atrun)
> > > > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74108]: (root) CMD
> > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/mrtg --logging /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.log
> > > > > > /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.cfg)
> > > > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74109]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74110]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news)
> > > > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74111]: (nobody) CMD
> > > > > > (/home/oasis/public_html/mgmt/minutely_maint.php)
> > > > > > Sep 12 09:51:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74172]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > Sep 12 09:52:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74205]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > Sep 12 09:53:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74235]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > Sep 12 09:54:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74280]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > oh and ~mailman/.qmail-default is set up like:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > |preline /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Think thats it.........
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am most confuzed.....everything seems to be fine but I am not
> > >getting
> > > > > any
> > > > > > messages.........
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HELP!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh I have read through every readme supplyied and set up my system
>as
> > > > > > suggested. I have also searched through the archives with the key
> > >words
> > > > > > qmail and bsd.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > John Wards
> > > > > > SportNetwork.net
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > > > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > > > > Searchable Archives:
> > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > > > Searchable Archives:
> > >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > > Searchable Archives:
> > >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------------------------------
> > >Mailman-Users mailing list
> > >Mailman-Users at python.org
> > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > >Searchable Archives:
>http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From barry at python.org  Fri Sep 13 17:18:56 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:18:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do you edit a moderated message?
References: <15745.65520.58171.529019@anthem.wooz.org>
	<Pine.OSF.4.10.10209130815390.31687-100000@library.berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <15746.480.184547.468442@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "GM" == Garey Mills <gmills at library.berkeley.edu> writes:

    GM> Thanks for the response. Which mail reader do you use?

No problem!

I use VM 7.07 inside XEmacs 21.4.9.

i-don't-need-no-stinkin'-guis-ly y'rs, :)
-Barry



From j.wards at sportnetwork.net  Fri Sep 13 17:37:33 2002
From: j.wards at sportnetwork.net (John Wards)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:37:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & BSD further problems
References: <02a501c25a75$2d6bfb00$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP> <006701c25afe$a812e9c0$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP> <1031927777.1683.52.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020913105746.01f84e30@lennier.cc.vt.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020913111413.01fb17a0@lennier.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <01fa01c25b3b$7af54e50$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP>

Hmmm right I run and re run check_perms and it cam up with some problems to
begin with but i fixed them and its not coming up with any more. I am still
getting the error message when i run the qrunner as mail man.

A stab in the dark made me run it as root and it work fine.

Now is there any big problem running the cron jobs as root?

Cheers
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Jarrell" <jarrell at vt.edu>
To: "John Wards" <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & BSD further problems


> You've screwed your permissions up (or ran some portion of mailman as the
> wrong user - accidentally running stuff as root can do it, because most of
> mailman runs as mailman.)
>
> qrunner can't write it's lock file, so you're queue isn't running.
>
> run /home/mailman/bin/check_perms and see what it bitches about.  You'll
> probably end up running it as root with the "-f" option to fix things.
You
> might need to run it more than once in a row, until it stops complaining
> about things.
>
> At 04:09 PM 9/13/02 +0100, John Wards wrote:
> >ooooooops.......sorry about that
> >
> >Re did it and got this this time:
> >
> >Traceback (most recent call last):
> >   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 276, in ?
> >     lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
> >     self.__write()
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
> >     fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
> >IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> >'/home/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.www.sportnetwork.net.19751'
> >
> >elp!
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ron Jarrell" <jarrell at vt.edu>
> >To: "John Wards" <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> >Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
> >Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 3:59 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & BSD further problems
> >
> >
> > > At 03:58 PM 9/13/02 +0100, John Wards wrote:
> > > >I do this:
> > > >  /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron qrunner
> > > >
> > > >I get this out!
> > > >
> > > >??crontab.in
> > > >     ^
> > > >SyntaxError: invalid syntax
> > > >
> > > >Any clues?
> > >
> > >
> > > Yea... Re-read the example below and fix your typo :-).  There's no
space
> > > between cron and qrunner, it's a slash...  You told it to run a
directory,
> > > and python is finding the internal binary format of the directory
entries
> > > to be not very understandable as source code.
> > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> > > >To: "John Wards" <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> > > >Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
> > > >Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 3:36 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & BSD further problems
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > So is the problem that the mail is simply sitting in the Mailman
queue
> > > > > directory without being delivered?
> > > > >
> > > > > Try running qrunner by hand:
> > > > >   su - mailman
> > > > >   /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
> > > > >
> > > > > Check your qmail log files before and after running the above.  Do
the
> > > > > same with your mailman log files.
> > > > >
> > > > > Good Luck
> > > > >
> > > > > Jon Carnes
> > > > > ===
> > > > > On Fri, 2002-09-13 at 04:22, John Wards wrote:
> > > > > > Can anyone help me on this? I really need a mailing list. If it
is
> > > > > > impossible to get mailman working on my system could someone
please
> > > >recomend
> > > > > > another mailing list system that would run on freeBSD. I have
hunted
> >and
> > > > > > hunted for one but I can't find one where users can reply to
emails
> >like
> > > > > > this!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > John Wards
> > > > > > SportNetwork.net
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I cannot seem to be able to send messages to my lists or reply
to
> > > > > > subscribe
> > > > > > > to lists. I have included all the logs that I can think of. If
I
> >have
> > > > > > missed
> > > > > > > any that would be helpful please say.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have checked my qmail logs and everything seems fine:
> > > > > > > @400000003d80510d0c7a2914 new msg 898
> > > > > > > @400000003d80510d0c88d2fc info msg 898: bytes 1028 from
> > > > > > > <j.wards at sportnetwork.net> qp 73230 uid 1005
> > > > > > > @400000003d80510d0d208304 starting delivery 6510: msg 898 to
local
> > > > > > > mailman-test at lists.sportnetwork.net
> > > > > > > @400000003d80510d0ec9936c status: local 1/10 remote 0/20
> > > > > > > @400000003d80510e092316a4 delivery 6510: success: did_0+0+1/
> > > > > > > @400000003d80510e092b5bd4 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20
> > > > > > > @400000003d80510e092f4ba4 end msg 898
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I look in my /home/mailman/qfiles/ dir and i see the file:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 8b41040d30571a9389822ef8c26bbd728d5bb11c.msg AND
> > > > > > > 8b41040d30571a9389822ef8c26bbd728d5bb11c.db
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Which contain:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From j.wards at sportnetwork.net Thu Sep 12 08:32:03 2002
> > > > > > > Return-Path: <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> > > > > > > Delivered-To: mailman-test at lists.sportnetwork.net
> > > > > > > Received: (qmail 73230 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002
> > > >08:32:03 -0000
> > > > > > > Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net (212.69.192.4)
> > > > > > >   by ns1.sportnetwork.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002
08:32:03 -0000
> > > > > > > Received: from [212.69.194.109] (helo=durham.serve.co.uk)
> > > > > > >  by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3)
> > > > > > >  id 17pPLd-00055v-00
> > > > > > >  for test at lists.sportnetwork.net; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:29:13
+0100
> > > > > > > Received: from JOHNCOMP (dagroup.demon.co.uk
[194.222.172.210])
> > > > > > >  by durham.serve.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id
g8C8T8512838
> > > > > > >  for <test at lists.sportnetwork.net>; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:29:10
> >+0100
> > > > > > > Message-ID: <00a701c25a37$0190e790$3100a8c0 at JOHNCOMP>
> > > > > > > From: "John Wards" <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> > > > > > > To: <test at lists.sportnetwork.net>
> > > > > > > Subject: test
> > > > > > > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:32:54 +0100
> > > > > > > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > > > > > >  charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > > > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > > > > > > X-Priority: 3
> > > > > > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> > > > > > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
> > > > > > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > test
> > > > > > > -------------------------------//E-oF
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > AND
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > {s
> > > > > > > -----------------------------//E-of
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I do crontab -l as mailman user (I double checked by typing
> >whoami) I
> > > >get
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > # At 5PM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending
> >requests
> > > > > > > 0 17 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S
/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs
> > > > > > > #
> > > > > > > # Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as
> >threshhold
> > > > > > > delivery.
> > > > > > > 0 12 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S
/home/mailman/cron/senddigests
> > > > > > > #
> > > > > > > # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password
reminders.
> > > > > > > 0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S
/home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
> > > > > > > #
> > > > > > > # Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment
this
> >one
> > > >out
> > > > > > > # if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going
on
> >right
> > > >now,
> > > > > > > # or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of
> >polling.
> > > > > > > 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * *
/usr/local/bin/python -S
> > > > > > > /home/mailman/cron/gate_news
> > > > > > > #
> > > > > > > # At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file.
Only
> > > > > > > # turn this on if the internal archiver is used and
> > > > > > > # GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py
> > > > > > > 27 3 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S
> >/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
> > > > > > > #
> > > > > > > # Retry failed deliveries once per minute.
> > > > > > > * * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I look in the cron logs:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73800]: (root) CMD
> > > > > > > (/usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/restart_all.sh > /dev/null)
> > > > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73801]: (root) CMD
> > > >(/usr/libexec/atrun)
> > > > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73802]: (root) CMD
> > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/mrtg --logging /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.log
> > > > > > > /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.cfg)
> > > > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73803]: (nobody) CMD
> > > > > > > (/home/oasis/public_html/mgmt/minutely_maint.php)
> > > > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73804]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73805]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news)
> > > > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73806]: (root) CMD (
> > > > > > > /usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/mail_log.pl > /dev/null)
> > > > > > > Sep 12 09:46:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73920]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > > Sep 12 09:47:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73950]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > > Sep 12 09:48:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73988]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > > Sep 12 09:49:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74045]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74106]: (root) CMD (
> > > > > > > /usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/mail_log.pl > /dev/null)
> > > > > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74107]: (root) CMD
> > > >(/usr/libexec/atrun)
> > > > > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74108]: (root) CMD
> > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/mrtg --logging /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.log
> > > > > > > /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.cfg)
> > > > > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74109]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74110]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news)
> > > > > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74111]: (nobody) CMD
> > > > > > > (/home/oasis/public_html/mgmt/minutely_maint.php)
> > > > > > > Sep 12 09:51:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74172]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > > Sep 12 09:52:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74205]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > > Sep 12 09:53:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74235]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > > Sep 12 09:54:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74280]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > oh and ~mailman/.qmail-default is set up like:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > |preline /usr/local/bin/python
/home/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Think thats it.........
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am most confuzed.....everything seems to be fine but I am
not
> > > >getting
> > > > > > any
> > > > > > > messages.........
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > HELP!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Oh I have read through every readme supplyied and set up my
system
> >as
> > > > > > > suggested. I have also searched through the archives with the
key
> > > >words
> > > > > > > qmail and bsd.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > John Wards
> > > > > > > SportNetwork.net
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > > > > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > > > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > > > > > Searchable Archives:
> > > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > > > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > > > > Searchable Archives:
> > > >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > > > Searchable Archives:
> > > >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >------------------------------------------------------
> > > >Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > >Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > >Searchable Archives:
> >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From david at gof.se  Fri Sep 13 17:41:30 2002
From: david at gof.se (David)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:41:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python problem with cron
References: <20020912160005.2283.88733.Mailman@mail.python.org><B9A6C89E.1DBE%david@gof.se> <15746.288.563990.65807@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <000701c25b3c$081dc7d0$413ed0d9@pascalhempc>

Thanks. I had an old version in /usr/bin/  The job runs just fine when I
pointed cron to /usr/local/bin/python

 Blue Skies,
 /David

>     |   File "/home/mailman/bin/list_members", line 79
>     |     print >> sys.stderr, _(__doc__)
>     |            ^
>     | SyntaxError: invalid syntax
>
>     david> The server is a RedHat 7.1. Any clues?
>
> You're cron scripts are pointed at an older Python, not at the 2.2.1
> you upgraded to.
>
> -Barry
>
>




From rlfrank at paradigm-omega.com  Fri Sep 13 17:54:40 2002
From: rlfrank at paradigm-omega.com (Robin Lynn Frank)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:54:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where do I start?
Message-ID: <1031932483.10657.TMDA@omega.paradigm-omega.net>

Okay, I admit it.  I am one of those no-goods who installed Mailman from a 
binary rpm :-0

The problem is that all the documentation seems directed at those who build 
from source.  Can someone point me to where in the docs I should begin or 
give me a clue as to what to do next.  Thanks
-- 

Robin Lynn Frank
Paradigm-Omega, LLC
=====================================
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restrictions, including confirmation requests.
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From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Sep 13 18:26:20 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:26:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do you edit a moderated message? 
In-Reply-To: Message from barry@python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) 
   of "Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:10:40 EDT." <15745.65520.58171.529019@anthem.wooz.org> 
References: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10209120946530.22156-100000@library.berkeley.edu>  <15745.65520.58171.529019@anthem.wooz.org> 
Message-ID: <9231.1031934380@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:10:40 -0400 
Barry A Warsaw <barry at python.org> wrote:

> First, I forward the held message to myself via the -owner address.
> When the message shows up in my inbox, it's in a MIME encapsulation,
> meaning the message I got was a message/rfc822 container with the
> entire held message as a subpart.

Is this new for 2.1?  2.0 doesn't MIME encapsulate such forwards.

> I usually don't discard the original held message until I'm sure my
> approved resend has gone through the list.

I thought 2.1 did Message-ID tracking and auto-discarded the held
message when it received the approved one?

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From barry at python.org  Fri Sep 13 18:33:40 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:33:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do you edit a moderated message? 
References: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10209120946530.22156-100000@library.berkeley.edu>
	<15745.65520.58171.529019@anthem.wooz.org>
	<9231.1031934380@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <15746.4964.833709.303943@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "JCL" == J C Lawrence <claw at kanga.nu> writes:

    >> First, I forward the held message to myself via the -owner
    >> address.  When the message shows up in my inbox, it's in a MIME
    >> encapsulation, meaning the message I got was a message/rfc822
    >> container with the entire held message as a subpart.

    JCL> Is this new for 2.1?  2.0 doesn't MIME encapsulate such
    JCL> forwards.

Oh, I think you're right.  2.0 just Resent-To's the forwarded message
(but that's drain bramaged).

    >> I usually don't discard the original held message until I'm
    >> sure my approved resend has gone through the list.

    JCL> I thought 2.1 did Message-ID tracking and auto-discarded the
    JCL> held message when it received the approved one?

Nope, but that's a darn good idea.  I'll put that on the wish list for
post-2.1.

-Barry



From kremels at kreme.com  Fri Sep 13 19:24:35 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:24:35 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mime stripping in 2.1b3
Message-ID: <ACB033CF-C73D-11D6-BA49-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>

besides the obvious "audio" and "application" what are some other good 
mime types to enter into Mailman 21b3 to be stripped?  I don't want to 
strip html or pictures, just dangerous types that are potential viruses.

-- 
You are responsible for your rose.
"Rule 5: Get Kirsten Dunst wet" (p 74 of Time 20-05-02)




From kremels at kreme.com  Fri Sep 13 22:14:10 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:14:10 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where do I start?
In-Reply-To: <1031932483.10657.TMDA@omega.paradigm-omega.net>
Message-ID: <5D007F54-C755-11D6-BA49-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>

On Friday, Sep 13, 2002, at 09:54 Canada/Mountain, Robin Lynn Frank 
wrote:
> Can someone point me to where in the docs I should begin or give me a 
> clue as to what to do next.

build from source?


Binaries are fine, if everything works.  If not, then you need help.  
All the help assumes you built it...

-- 
You are responsible for your rose.
"Rule 5: Get Kirsten Dunst wet" (p 74 of Time 20-05-02)




From kremels at kreme.com  Fri Sep 13 22:57:49 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:57:49 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permsision denied errors
Message-ID: <760F9B45-C75B-11D6-AC90-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>

I keep seeing these in logs/error

Sep 13 14:45:01 2002 gate_news(7448): IOError :  [Errno 13] Permission 
denied: '/Users/mailman/lists/thelist/config.pck'
Sep 13 14:50:01 2002 gate_news(7500): IOError :  [Errno 13] Permission 
denied: '/Users/mailman/lists/thelist/config.pck'


# ls -ls /Users/mailman/lists/thelist/
total 160
  8 -rw-rw-r--  1 mailman  mailman  1706 May 29 14:41 
admindbpreamble.html
16 -rw-rw----  1 mailman  mailman  4594 Jun  5 21:39 config.db
16 -rw-rw----  1 mailman  mailman  4594 Jun  5 21:39 config.db.last
16 -rw-rw----  1 mailman  mailman  5267 Sep 13 14:51 config.pck
16 -rw-rw----  1 mailman  mailman  5267 Sep 13 14:51 config.pck.last
  8 -rw-rw-r--  1 mailman  mailman   189 May 29 14:41 handle_opts.html
  8 -rw-rw-r--  1 mailman  mailman  1026 May 29 14:41 headfoot.html
  8 -rw-rw-r--  1 mailman  mailman  3136 May 29 14:41 listinfo.html
16 -rw-rw-r--  1 mailman  mailman  7509 Jun  5 21:39 next-digest
  8 -rw-rw-r--  1 mailman  mailman   177 Jun  5 21:39 next-digest-topics
16 -rw-rw-r--  1 mailman  mailman  4106 May 29 14:41 options.html
  8 -rw-rw-r--  1 www      mailman    29 Sep 13 11:42 request.db
  8 -rw-rw-r--  1 mailman  mailman  1169 May 29 14:41 roster.html
  8 -rw-rw-r--  1 mailman  mailman   198 May 29 14:41 subscribe.html

# bin/check_perms
No problems found


what's wrong with the permissins?

-- 
You are responsible for your rose.
"Rule 5: Get Kirsten Dunst wet" (p 74 of Time 20-05-02)




From deansuhr at carpedis.com  Fri Sep 13 23:18:03 2002
From: deansuhr at carpedis.com (Dean Suhr)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:18:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Partial Hide of Subscriber's Address
In-Reply-To: <760F9B45-C75B-11D6-AC90-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>
Message-ID: <B9A7A41B.133DF%deansuhr@carpedis.com>

Good Evening,

I am pondering a Mailman install.  I have read the documentation and would
like a clarification ...

It appears that a user can hide their address from those that can view a
subscriber list (in which case the list address is used as the substitute
for their address in messages that they send).  It also appears that the
entire list of subscribers can be hidden from view.

I would like to hide only the e-mail address - not the text that usually
travels with the address (the text Name).  I would be willing to require
this information as logon time - either true name or a list specific name
alias.

Does Mailman support this sort of partial hiding?

Fro example - I'd like you al to know that this message came from Dean Suhr.
but perhaps not to see my address. The list where this is important to me is
a reply to list default.

Regards,
Dean




From mhanze at mpawest.net  Sat Sep 14 08:26:45 2002
From: mhanze at mpawest.net (Mark Hanze)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 02:26:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I use two separate servers for Mailman and mail
Message-ID: <003b01c25bb7$b2dac620$5e00a8c0@marksdell>

Hello All:

	I have mailman-2.0.12 running on a SuSE 8.0 Pro Stand alone box
behind a firewall nat'ed for port 80 so we can serve apache. The smtp
server successfully sends mail out to subscribers. Problem is when they
reply to confirm, our domain,  school.k12.ny.us is mx'ed to a different
server running SuSE eMail Server3.1 using postfix of course (also behind
our firewall nat'ed with needed ports) Can I use two separate servers
for Mailman and mail?

Thanks!




From kd5de at nwla.com  Sat Sep 14 12:04:37 2002
From: kd5de at nwla.com (Mel Sojka)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 05:04:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Try Again
Message-ID: <3D8309B5.1A39F614@nwla.com>

Well let me post this differently. I checked the FAQ and found nothing.
I have MM 2.0.13 installed on the webserver for a client here and would
like to use the MTA (Sendmail) on the mail server which is a different
box. Sendmail version is 8.12.4. How can I accomplish this.
							Mel
-- 
System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com
Linux User #25446    Linux 2.4.7



From wolf at wolfstream.net  Sat Sep 14 17:09:33 2002
From: wolf at wolfstream.net (Tom Whiting)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:09:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Try Again
In-Reply-To: <3D8309B5.1A39F614@nwla.com>
References: <3D8309B5.1A39F614@nwla.com>
Message-ID: <200209141009.33941.wolf@wolfstream.net>

On Saturday 14 September 2002 05:04 am, Mel Sojka wrote:
> Well let me post this differently. I checked the FAQ and found nothing.
> I have MM 2.0.13 installed on the webserver for a client here and would
> like to use the MTA (Sendmail) on the mail server which is a different
> box. Sendmail version is 8.12.4. How can I accomplish this.
> 							Mel

To be honest, I don't think this is possible.
MailMan pipes things through sendmail, through a shell, using cron.
You MIGHT be able to pipe it through to another box, but unfortunately I think 
you're not going to be able to get it working as you wish.



From cra at bigfatpipe.net  Sat Sep 14 17:34:17 2002
From: cra at bigfatpipe.net (Christopher Allen [BigFatPipe.Net])
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:34:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I use two separate servers for Mailman and
 mail
In-Reply-To: <003b01c25bb7$b2dac620$5e00a8c0@marksdell>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0209140833220.99446-100000@uao.bigfatpipe.net>

On Sat, 14 Sep 2002, Mark Hanze wrote:
> 	I have mailman-2.0.12 running on a SuSE 8.0 Pro Stand alone box
> behind a firewall nat'ed for port 80 so we can serve apache. The smtp
> server successfully sends mail out to subscribers. Problem is when they
> reply to confirm, our domain,  school.k12.ny.us is mx'ed to a different
> server running SuSE eMail Server3.1 using postfix of course (also behind
> our firewall nat'ed with needed ports) Can I use two separate servers
> for Mailman and mail?

Set up a separate A/MX record for lists.school.k12.ny.us, then the
appropriate aliases so that when the mail is accepted on school.k12.ny.us
it forwards over.

-CA




From ashley at pcraft.com  Sat Sep 14 19:17:39 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:17:39 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Try Again
References: <3D8309B5.1A39F614@nwla.com>
Message-ID: <3D836F33.551D28A4@pcraft.com>

Mel Sojka wrote:

> Well let me post this differently. I checked the FAQ and found nothing.
> I have MM 2.0.13 installed on the webserver for a client here and would
> like to use the MTA (Sendmail) on the mail server which is a different
> box. Sendmail version is 8.12.4. How can I accomplish this.

    Mailman pipes messages through the local MTA, however, you can configure that MTA to use a SmartHost.  What this means is that Mailman will send its messages to the local MTA which in turn relays them to the SmartHost (a completely different machine) which will then deliver the message to the final recipient.  Read sendmail's documentation on how to set this up.

--
H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
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  Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.






From raquel at thericehouse.net  Sat Sep 14 19:20:52 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:20:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mime stripping in 2.1b3
In-Reply-To: <ACB033CF-C73D-11D6-BA49-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>
References: <ACB033CF-C73D-11D6-BA49-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>
Message-ID: <20020914102052.0a430c50.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:24:35 -0600
LuKreme <kremels at kreme.com> wrote:

> besides the obvious "audio" and "application" what are some other
> good mime types to enter into Mailman 21b3 to be stripped?  I
> don't want to strip html or pictures, just dangerous types that
> are potential viruses.
> 

Here is a page which shows the mime types:

http://www.december.com/html/spec/mime.html

--
Raquel
============================================================
Don't ever take for granted the company of your friends and family. 
Be generous with praise, hugs & kisses, and don't ever leave anyone
dear to you in the dark about how much they mean to you. Life is
short, so treasure every minute.
  --Susan Gray




From mailman at vo.cnchost.com  Sat Sep 14 20:09:24 2002
From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:09:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mime stripping in 2.1b3
In-Reply-To: <ACB033CF-C73D-11D6-BA49-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20020914110318.041cb810@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>

On 10:24 AM 9/13/02, LuKreme wrote:
 >besides the obvious "audio" and "application" what are some other good
 >mime types to enter into Mailman 21b3 to be stripped?  I don't want to
 >strip html or pictures, just dangerous types that are potential viruses.

You should configure your rules so that the specific file types you *allow* 
are exempted from being stripped, and then strip everything else.  New file 
types are being created all the time, and most of the time the new types 
are types you don't want to allow (viruses etc.).  Your list subscribers 
are much safer if your system requires you to occasionally manually add a 
new approved type when one happens along, than if it requires you to 
manually add a new disapproved type as each new virus etc. comes along 
(which would usually be after the fact, after one such mime attachment 
slipped thru un-altered).

jc




From raquel at thericehouse.net  Sat Sep 14 20:52:18 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:52:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderators Interface
In-Reply-To: <15745.64843.959752.996083@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <20020912090733.5d390b63.raquel@thericehouse.net>
	<15745.64843.959752.996083@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <20020914115218.491a67c9.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:59:23 -0400
barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) wrote:

> 
> >>>>> "RR" == Raquel Rice <raquel at thericehouse.net> writes:
> 
>     RR> I've just upgraded to using Mailman 2.1b3, which provides
>     RR> for an "administrator" and a "moderator".  In the password
>     RR> setup, I've specified seperate passwords and in the
>     RR> general options I've specified seperate addresses. 
>     RR> However, at the admin login, the moderator cannot login
>     RR> using her password.  Is there a seperate page for the
>     RR> moderator(s) to login?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> The admin password gives you access to both the admin and admindb
> pages, but the moderator password only gives you access to the
> admindb page.  I.e. the moderator can only moderate the list but
> can't change its options.
> 
> -Barry

Thank you, Barry.  I guess I misunderstood, thinking that the
moderator could work with the subscriber list too.  I appreciate
your response.

--
Raquel
============================================================
Don't ever take for granted the company of your friends and family. 
Be generous with praise, hugs & kisses, and don't ever leave anyone
dear to you in the dark about how much they mean to you. Life is
short, so treasure every minute.
  --Susan Gray




From raquel at thericehouse.net  Sat Sep 14 20:54:05 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:54:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mime stripping in 2.1b3
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020914110318.041cb810@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
References: <ACB033CF-C73D-11D6-BA49-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>
	<5.0.0.25.2.20020914110318.041cb810@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
Message-ID: <20020914115405.5cf73513.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:09:24 -0700
JC Dill <mailman at vo.cnchost.com> wrote:

> On 10:24 AM 9/13/02, LuKreme wrote:
>  >besides the obvious "audio" and "application" what are some
>  >other good mime types to enter into Mailman 21b3 to be stripped?
>  > I don't want to
>  >strip html or pictures, just dangerous types that are potential
>  >viruses.
> 
> You should configure your rules so that the specific file types
> you *allow* are exempted from being stripped, and then strip
> everything else.  New file types are being created all the time,
> and most of the time the new types are types you don't want to
> allow (viruses etc.).  Your list subscribers are much safer if
> your system requires you to occasionally manually add a new
> approved type when one happens along, than if it requires you to
> manually add a new disapproved type as each new virus etc. comes
> along (which would usually be after the fact, after one such mime
> attachment slipped thru un-altered).
> 
> jc

I guess that using 2.1b3 I'm unsure how to disallow everything and
then to allow only certain types. (kind of like my firewall rules)

--
Raquel
============================================================
Don't ever take for granted the company of your friends and family. 
Be generous with praise, hugs & kisses, and don't ever leave anyone
dear to you in the dark about how much they mean to you. Life is
short, so treasure every minute.
  --Susan Gray




From kremels at kreme.com  Sat Sep 14 20:55:52 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:55:52 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I use two separate servers for Mailman and mail
In-Reply-To: <003b01c25bb7$b2dac620$5e00a8c0@marksdell>
Message-ID: <979A5DB8-C813-11D6-B0F1-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>

On Saturday, Sep 14, 2002, at 00:26 Canada/Mountain, Mark Hanze wrote:
> 	I have mailman-2.0.12 running on a SuSE 8.0 Pro Stand alone box
> behind a firewall nat'ed for port 80 so we can serve apache. The smtp
> server successfully sends mail out to subscribers. Problem is when they
> reply to confirm, our domain,  school.k12.ny.us is mx'ed to a different
> server running SuSE eMail Server3.1 using postfix of course (also 
> behind
> our firewall nat'ed with needed ports) Can I use two separate servers
> for Mailman and mail?

Sure.  I do.  My oustides server (kreme.com) receives all the mail.  I 
use fetchmail to get mail from the server and then process it to 
mailman.  Then mailman send it out to the world from my dyndns domain 
name.

-- 
You are responsible for your rose.
"Rule 5: Get Kirsten Dunst wet" (p 74 of Time 20-05-02)




From kremels at kreme.com  Sat Sep 14 21:03:24 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 13:03:24 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mime stripping in 2.1b3
In-Reply-To: <20020914102052.0a430c50.raquel@thericehouse.net>
Message-ID: <A4EF4332-C814-11D6-B0F1-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>

On Saturday, Sep 14, 2002, at 11:20 Canada/Mountain, Raquel Rice wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:24:35 -0600
> LuKreme <kremels at kreme.com> wrote:
>
>> besides the obvious "audio" and "application" what are some other
>> good mime types to enter into Mailman 21b3 to be stripped?  I
>> don't want to strip html or pictures, just dangerous types that
>> are potential viruses.
>>
>
> Here is a page which shows the mime types:
>
> http://www.december.com/html/spec/mime.html

I guess what I was looking for was what other types people routinely 
block.  I'm not up on he world of viruses, and I don't care to be.  I 
have never accidently been infected with a virus (intentionally, yes, 
accidently, no) and I don't use Winblows machines for email much anyway.

I know about the audio types because someone in my family was infected 
with klez and started spamming the entire family...

currently I have application/octet-stream and audio blocked.  I don't 
even know what some of those application/ subtypes are (andrew-insert?  
Cybercash? dec-dx?  iges?)

-- 
You are responsible for your rose.
"Rule 5: Get Kirsten Dunst wet" (p 74 of Time 20-05-02)




From kremels at kreme.com  Sat Sep 14 22:12:33 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:12:33 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mime stripping in 2.1b3
In-Reply-To: <20020914115405.5cf73513.raquel@thericehouse.net>
Message-ID: <4DE9B9E1-C81E-11D6-B0F1-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>

On Saturday, Sep 14, 2002, at 12:54 Canada/Mountain, Raquel Rice wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:09:24 -0700
> JC Dill <mailman at vo.cnchost.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10:24 AM 9/13/02, LuKreme wrote:
>>> besides the obvious "audio" and "application" what are some
>>> other good mime types to enter into Mailman 21b3 to be stripped?
>>> I don't want to
>>> strip html or pictures, just dangerous types that are potential
>>> viruses.
>>
>> You should configure your rules so that the specific file types
>> you *allow* are exempted from being stripped, and then strip
>> everything else.  New file types are being created all the time,
>> and most of the time the new types are types you don't want to
>> allow (viruses etc.).

This is not how the mime filters in 2.1b3 seem to work.  List the types 
to be blocked.

I agree that listing the types to NOT be blocked would be much better.


-- 
You are responsible for your rose.
"Rule 5: Get Kirsten Dunst wet" (p 74 of Time 20-05-02)




From chris at yonderway.com  Sat Sep 14 22:19:04 2002
From: chris at yonderway.com (Christian J Hedemark)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:19:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mime stripping in 2.1b3
In-Reply-To: <4DE9B9E1-C81E-11D6-B0F1-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>
Message-ID: <36CD2F62-C81F-11D6-A9F2-0003939CC61E@yonderway.com>

On Saturday, September 14, 2002, at 04:12 PM, LuKreme wrote:

> This is not how the mime filters in 2.1b3 seem to work.  List the 
> types to be blocked.

If we're taking votes here, I'm all for whitelists (block all MIME by 
default, except that which is explicitly allowed).  I think in most 
cases a whitelist will be shorter and easier to maintain than a 
blacklist.




From rogerhc at pacbell.net  Sun Sep 15 02:22:51 2002
From: rogerhc at pacbell.net (Roger Chrisman)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 17:22:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman postfix howto
In-Reply-To: <34994.62.36.189.111.1030557258.squirrel@vgg.sci.uma.es>
References: <3D6CD446.6070300@gmx.net>
 <34994.62.36.189.111.1030557258.squirrel@vgg.sci.uma.es>
Message-ID: <0H2G005UWEERWP@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net>

On Wednesday 28 August 2002 10:54, you wrote:
> > I don't know whether this is the right place to ask ... but anyway :
>
> It is.
>
> > does any of you have a good howto to make mailman run with
> > postfix and debian ?
>
> README.postfix in Mailman sources (any *nix will do)

Hi,

Am I blind?

I just looked and canNOT find a README.postfix anywhere in the Mailman 
2.0.13 sources 8-/. I just now downloaded a fresh set of, well, everything:

	http://www.list.org/mailman.tar.gz

no README.postfix there.

If I am looking in the wrong place, somebody please tell me.. I too am trying 
to set up Mailman for my first time, and to run with Postfix.. would LOVE any 
Postfix and Mailman specific how-to documents/notes.

Thanks!

Roger :-)
SF
--I hate it when people don't provide a real name, don't you? I mean, 
seriously.. Dave :-/)



From kremels at kreme.com  Sun Sep 15 03:01:55 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:01:55 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman postfix howto
In-Reply-To: <0H2G005UWEERWP@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net>
Message-ID: <BA580FAC-C846-11D6-A4BD-00050279C409@kreme.com>

On Saturday, September 14, 2002, at 06:22 PM, Roger Chrisman wrote:
> Am I blind?

Nope.   REAME.POSTFIX is in 2.1b3 though.  Might be useful.

Mailman - The GNU Mailing List Management System
Copyright (C) 2001,2002 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc.
59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA


GENERAL SETUP INFORMATION

     Mailman should work pretty much out of the box with a standard
     Postfix installation.  As of this writing I've tested it with
     Postfix 19991231 up to pl13, and with 200010228 up to pl08.

     It is recommended that you set "owner_request_special = no" in
     your main.cf config file so that Postfix won't treat -owner and
     -request addresses specially (we want Postfix to simply deliver
     such messages to the Mailman wrapper).  The default is "yes" I
     believe.

     In order to support Mailman's optional VERP delivery, you will
     want to disable luser_relay (the default) and you will want to set
     recipient_delimiter for extended address semantics.  Here, my
     recommendations are to comment out any luser_relay value in your
     main.cf and just go with the defaults.  Also, set
     "recipient_delimiter = +" so that the symbol used to separate an
     address from its extended semantics is a + sign.  This will work
     well with the default values for VERP_FORMAT and VERP_REGEXP in
     Defaults.py.

     Finally, if you are using Postfix-style virtual domains, read the
     section on virtual domain support below.


INTEGRATING POSTFIX AND MAILMAN

     You can integrate Postfix and Mailman such that when new lists are
     created, or lists are removed, Postfix's alias database will be
     automatically updated.  The following are the steps you need to
     take to make this work.

     In the description below, we assume that you've installed Mailman
     in the default location, i.e. /usr/local/mailman.  If that's not
     the case, adjust the instructions according to your use of
     configure's --prefix and --with-var-prefix options.

     - If you are using Postfix-style virtual domains and you want
       Mailman to honor your virtual domains, read the section below
       first!

     - Add this to the bottom of the $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file:

       MTA = 'Postfix'

       The MTA variable names a module in Mailman/MTA which contains the
       MTA-specific functions to be executed when a list is created or
       removed.

     - Look at the Defaults.py file for the variables POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD
       and POSTFIX_MAP_CMD command.  Make sure these point to your
       postalias and postmap programs respectively.

     - Run the genaliases script to initialize your aliases file.

       % cd /usr/local/mailman
       % bin/genaliases

       Make sure that the owner of the data/aliases and data/aliases.db
       file is `mailman' and that the group owner for those files is
       `mailman'.  E.g.:

       % su
       % chown mailman.mailman data/aliases*

     - Hack your Postfix's main.cf file to include the following path
       in your alias_maps variable:

           /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases

       (no trailing .db).  Do not include this in your alias_database
       variable.  This is because you do not want Postfix's newaliases
       command to modify Mailman's aliases.db file, but you do want
       Postfix to consult aliases.db when looking for local addresses.

       You probably want to use a hash: style database for this entry.
       Here's an example:

       alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases,
           hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases

     - When you configure Mailman, use the --with-mail-gid=mailman
       switch (actually, this will be the default if you configured
       Mailman after adding the `mailman' owner).  Because the owner of
       the aliases.db file is `mailman', Postfix will execute Mailman's
       wrapper program as uid and gid mailman.

     That's it!  One caveat: when you add or remove a list, the
     aliases.db file will updated, but it will not automatically run
     "postfix reload".  This is because you need to be root to run this
     and suid-root scripts are not secure.  The only effect of this is
     that it will take about a minute for Postfix to notice the change
     to the aliases.db file and update its tables.  I consider this a
     minor inconvenience.


VIRTUAL DOMAINS

     Postfix supports two styles of virtual domains, called
     "Postfix-style" and "Sendmail-style".  With the latter, all
     aliases are visible in all domains, and nothing special need be
     done with Mailman.

     With Postfix-style virtual domains, things are a little trickier,
     although Mailman should work well with it.  First, you'll need to
     add a path to Postfix's virtual_maps variable:

     virtual_maps = <your normal virtual files>,
         hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman

     assuming you've installed Mailman in the default location.  Note
     that you must follow Postfix's instructions for setting up the
     virtual domains; get your virtual domains working in Postfix
     first before integrating Mailman.

     Next, in your mm_cfg.py file, you will want to set the variable
     POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS to the list of virtual domains that
     Mailman should update.  This may not be all of the virtual domains
     that your Postfix installation supports!  The values in this list
     will be matched against the host_name attribute of mailing lists
     objects, and must be an exact match.

     Here's an example:

     Let's say I've set up Postfix to handle the virtual domains
     dom1.ain, dom2.ain, and dom3.ain.  Let's say further that in
     main.cf you've got the following settings:

         myhostname = mail.dom1.ain
         mydomain = dom1.ain
         mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain
         virtual_maps = hash:/some/path/to/virtual-dom1,
             hash:/some/path/to/virtual-dom2,
             hash:/some/path/to/virtual-dom2

     Let's say further that in virtual-dom1, you've got the following
     lines:

         dom1.ain  IGNORE
         @dom1.ain @mail.dom1.ain

     This tells Postfix to deliver anything addressed to dom1.ain to
     the same mailbox at mail.dom1.com, it's default destination.

     In this case you would not include dom1.ain in
     POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS because otherwise Mailman will write
     entries for mailing lists in the dom1.ain domain as

         mylist at dom1.ain         mylist
         mylist-request at dom1.ain mylist-request
         # and so on...

     The more specific entries trump your more general entries and thus
     breaking the delivery of any dom1.ain mailing list.

     However, you would include dom2.ain and dom3.ain in mm_cfg.py:

         POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['dom2.ain', 'dom3.ain']

     Now, any list that Mailman creates in either of those two domains,
     will have the correct entries written to
     /usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman

     As above with the data/aliases* files, you want to make sure that
     both data/virtual-mailman and data/virtual-mailman.db are user and
     group owned by the `mailman' user/group.  So to get things
     started, set up your virtual domains, run bin/genaliases, and
     check the ownerships of the files.  From here on out, you should
     be good to go.


AN ALTERNATIVE APPROACH

     Fil <fil at rezo.net> has an alternative approach based on virtual
     maps and regular expressions, as described at:

     (French)  http://listes.rezo.net/comment.php
     (English) http://listes.rezo.net/how.php

     This is a good (and simpler) alternative if you don't mind
     exposing an additional hostname in the domain part of the
     addresses people will use to contact your list.  I.e. if people
     should use mylist at lists.dom.ain instead of mylist at dom.ain.

     I have not extensively tested this approach however.




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From vic at vgg.sci.uma.es  Sun Sep 15 02:57:12 2002
From: vic at vgg.sci.uma.es (Victoriano Giralt)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 02:57:12 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Try Again
In-Reply-To: <200209141009.33941.wolf@wolfstream.net>
References: <3D8309B5.1A39F614@nwla.com>
        <200209141009.33941.wolf@wolfstream.net>
Message-ID: <35552.80.103.118.214.1032051432.squirrel@vgg.sci.uma.es>

> On Saturday 14 September 2002 05:04 am, Mel Sojka wrote:
>> Well let me post this differently. I checked the FAQ and found
>> nothing. I have MM 2.0.13 installed on the webserver for a client here
>> and would like to use the MTA (Sendmail) on the mail server which is a
>> different box. Sendmail version is 8.12.4. How can I accomplish this.
>> 							Mel
I'm not absolutely sure it can be done in 2.0.13 (I went the 2.1 from
heavily customized 1.6 and 2.0.1). Check $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py forDELIVERY_MODULE, and, if it exists, set it to SMTPDirect in mm_cfg.py,
together with SMTPHOST, which you set to the sendmail machine. That is for
outgoing mail, for incomming mail, I'm affraid you need a local MTA to
receive the posts into Mailman.
-- 
Victoriano Giralt
Systems Manager
Central Computing Facility
University of Malaga
SPAIN





From rlfrank at paradigm-omega.com  Sun Sep 15 03:27:19 2002
From: rlfrank at paradigm-omega.com (Robin Lynn Frank)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 18:27:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where do I start?
In-Reply-To: <5D007F54-C755-11D6-BA49-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>
References: <5D007F54-C755-11D6-BA49-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>
Message-ID: <1032053243.5753.TMDA@omega.paradigm-omega.net>

On Friday 13 September 2002 13:14, LuKreme wrote:
# On Friday, Sep 13, 2002, at 09:54 Canada/Mountain, Robin Lynn Frank
# wrote:
# > Can someone point me to where in the docs I should begin or give me a
# > clue as to what to do next.
#
# build from source?
#
#
# Binaries are fine, if everything works.  If not, then you need help.
# All the help assumes you built it...
#
Well, if the binary rpm failed, then it is the oversight of its packager, 
who I will assume is more experienced that I am.  I looked at the 
installation instructions on the Mailman web site, and although I've 
downloaded the tarball, I will probably not attempt to build it.  I will look 
for something that puts more emphasis on ease of installation.  Thanks anyway.
-- 

Robin Lynn Frank
Paradigm-Omega, LLC
=====================================
Notice:  Incoming e-mail is subject to security
restrictions, including confirmation requests.
=====================================



From kremels at kreme.com  Sun Sep 15 05:47:55 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:47:55 -0600
Subject: Apologies Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman postfix howto
In-Reply-To: <BA580FAC-C846-11D6-A4BD-00050279C409@kreme.com>
Message-ID: <EB1843EF-C85D-11D6-8595-00050279C409@kreme.com>

On Saturday, September 14, 2002, at 07:01 PM, LuKreme wrote:
> On Saturday, September 14, 2002, at 06:22 PM, Roger Chrisman wrote:
>> Am I blind?
>
> Nope.   REAME.POSTFIX is in 2.1b3 though.  Might be useful.
>
> Mailman - The GNU Mailing List Management System

I meant to sent that privately.  Sorry.

-- 
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not sure you realize that what you heard is not waht I meant.




From kremels at kreme.com  Sun Sep 15 05:51:29 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:51:29 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments in the archives
Message-ID: <6A9716DA-C85E-11D6-8595-00050279C409@kreme.com>

JPG files show up fine on my machine when accessed via a web browser.  
However, when I click on an attachment link in the Mailman archives, I 
get binary garbage.

I tried searching the archives (www.mail-archive.com was the only 
searchable mailman archive I found), but got an error that said 
something about "Did you forget to run htmerge" and told me to contact 
the site admin whose email address is not listed.  Good planning all 
around.

-- 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Sep 15 05:31:40 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 14 Sep 2002 23:31:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Try Again
In-Reply-To: <200209141009.33941.wolf@wolfstream.net>
References: <3D8309B5.1A39F614@nwla.com> 
	<200209141009.33941.wolf@wolfstream.net>
Message-ID: <1032060701.1612.51.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

No. You can use multiple mailservers, but you must be running a local
mailserver so that Mailman can drop off mail, and you must install the
list aliases as local users, then define those local users as forwards
on the other mailservers you use.

On Sat, 2002-09-14 at 11:09, Tom Whiting wrote:
> On Saturday 14 September 2002 05:04 am, Mel Sojka wrote:
> > Well let me post this differently. I checked the FAQ and found nothing.
> > I have MM 2.0.13 installed on the webserver for a client here and would
> > like to use the MTA (Sendmail) on the mail server which is a different
> > box. Sendmail version is 8.12.4. How can I accomplish this.
> > 							Mel
> 
> To be honest, I don't think this is possible.
> MailMan pipes things through sendmail, through a shell, using cron.
> You MIGHT be able to pipe it through to another box, but unfortunately I think 
> you're not going to be able to get it working as you wish.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Sep 15 05:42:58 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 14 Sep 2002 23:42:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & BSD further problems
In-Reply-To: <01fa01c25b3b$7af54e50$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP>
References: <02a501c25a75$2d6bfb00$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP>
	<006701c25afe$a812e9c0$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP>
	<1031927777.1683.52.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20020913105746.01f84e30@lennier.cc.vt.edu>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20020913111413.01fb17a0@lennier.cc.vt.edu> 
	<01fa01c25b3b$7af54e50$3100a8c0@JOHNCOMP>
Message-ID: <1032061378.1608.58.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Sorry to be late in getting back.  What you have found out is that BSD
is much more secure than Linux with its filesystem.  I believe there is
a BSD readme that talks about how to set the rights properly.  It may be
that your Set GID does not work for the directories that Mailman needs
to access as Mailman (or it may not work at all in your version of
BSD).  In particular is the problem with your locking directory.  If you
can set that to rights you are golden.

Yes you could run the cron jobs as root for now, but that is a poor
policy and could open you up to some vulnerabilities or exploits.  None
that I know of mind you, but I sure wouldn't advertise what server your
lists were running on...

Rather than run as root, I think I would modify the directories that
Mailman needs to access and simply set them so that anyone had full
rights over them.  This is still bad, but a degree better than running
Mailman as root...

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2002-09-13 at 11:37, John Wards wrote:
> Hmmm right I run and re run check_perms and it cam up with some problems to
> begin with but i fixed them and its not coming up with any more. I am still
> getting the error message when i run the qrunner as mail man.
> 
> A stab in the dark made me run it as root and it work fine.
> 
> Now is there any big problem running the cron jobs as root?
> 
> Cheers
> John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Jarrell" <jarrell at vt.edu>
> To: "John Wards" <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 4:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & BSD further problems
> 
> 
> > You've screwed your permissions up (or ran some portion of mailman as the
> > wrong user - accidentally running stuff as root can do it, because most of
> > mailman runs as mailman.)
> >
> > qrunner can't write it's lock file, so you're queue isn't running.
> >
> > run /home/mailman/bin/check_perms and see what it bitches about.  You'll
> > probably end up running it as root with the "-f" option to fix things.
> You
> > might need to run it more than once in a row, until it stops complaining
> > about things.
> >
> > At 04:09 PM 9/13/02 +0100, John Wards wrote:
> > >ooooooops.......sorry about that
> > >
> > >Re did it and got this this time:
> > >
> > >Traceback (most recent call last):
> > >   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 276, in ?
> > >     lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
> > >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
> > >     self.__write()
> > >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
> > >     fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
> > >IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> > >'/home/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.www.sportnetwork.net.19751'
> > >
> > >elp!
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Ron Jarrell" <jarrell at vt.edu>
> > >To: "John Wards" <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> > >Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
> > >Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 3:59 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & BSD further problems
> > >
> > >
> > > > At 03:58 PM 9/13/02 +0100, John Wards wrote:
> > > > >I do this:
> > > > >  /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron qrunner
> > > > >
> > > > >I get this out!
> > > > >
> > > > >??crontab.in
> > > > >     ^
> > > > >SyntaxError: invalid syntax
> > > > >
> > > > >Any clues?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yea... Re-read the example below and fix your typo :-).  There's no
> space
> > > > between cron and qrunner, it's a slash...  You told it to run a
> directory,
> > > > and python is finding the internal binary format of the directory
> entries
> > > > to be not very understandable as source code.
> > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> > > > >To: "John Wards" <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> > > > >Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
> > > > >Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 3:36 PM
> > > > >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & BSD further problems
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > So is the problem that the mail is simply sitting in the Mailman
> queue
> > > > > > directory without being delivered?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Try running qrunner by hand:
> > > > > >   su - mailman
> > > > > >   /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Check your qmail log files before and after running the above.  Do
> the
> > > > > > same with your mailman log files.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good Luck
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jon Carnes
> > > > > > ===
> > > > > > On Fri, 2002-09-13 at 04:22, John Wards wrote:
> > > > > > > Can anyone help me on this? I really need a mailing list. If it
> is
> > > > > > > impossible to get mailman working on my system could someone
> please
> > > > >recomend
> > > > > > > another mailing list system that would run on freeBSD. I have
> hunted
> > >and
> > > > > > > hunted for one but I can't find one where users can reply to
> emails
> > >like
> > > > > > > this!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > John Wards
> > > > > > > SportNetwork.net
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I cannot seem to be able to send messages to my lists or reply
> to
> > > > > > > subscribe
> > > > > > > > to lists. I have included all the logs that I can think of. If
> I
> > >have
> > > > > > > missed
> > > > > > > > any that would be helpful please say.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have checked my qmail logs and everything seems fine:
> > > > > > > > @400000003d80510d0c7a2914 new msg 898
> > > > > > > > @400000003d80510d0c88d2fc info msg 898: bytes 1028 from
> > > > > > > > <j.wards at sportnetwork.net> qp 73230 uid 1005
> > > > > > > > @400000003d80510d0d208304 starting delivery 6510: msg 898 to
> local
> > > > > > > > mailman-test at lists.sportnetwork.net
> > > > > > > > @400000003d80510d0ec9936c status: local 1/10 remote 0/20
> > > > > > > > @400000003d80510e092316a4 delivery 6510: success: did_0+0+1/
> > > > > > > > @400000003d80510e092b5bd4 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20
> > > > > > > > @400000003d80510e092f4ba4 end msg 898
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I look in my /home/mailman/qfiles/ dir and i see the file:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 8b41040d30571a9389822ef8c26bbd728d5bb11c.msg AND
> > > > > > > > 8b41040d30571a9389822ef8c26bbd728d5bb11c.db
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Which contain:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >From j.wards at sportnetwork.net Thu Sep 12 08:32:03 2002
> > > > > > > > Return-Path: <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> > > > > > > > Delivered-To: mailman-test at lists.sportnetwork.net
> > > > > > > > Received: (qmail 73230 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002
> > > > >08:32:03 -0000
> > > > > > > > Received: from smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net (212.69.192.4)
> > > > > > > >   by ns1.sportnetwork.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002
> 08:32:03 -0000
> > > > > > > > Received: from [212.69.194.109] (helo=durham.serve.co.uk)
> > > > > > > >  by smtp-relay01.tc.dsvr.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3)
> > > > > > > >  id 17pPLd-00055v-00
> > > > > > > >  for test at lists.sportnetwork.net; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:29:13
> +0100
> > > > > > > > Received: from JOHNCOMP (dagroup.demon.co.uk
> [194.222.172.210])
> > > > > > > >  by durham.serve.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id
> g8C8T8512838
> > > > > > > >  for <test at lists.sportnetwork.net>; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:29:10
> > >+0100
> > > > > > > > Message-ID: <00a701c25a37$0190e790$3100a8c0 at JOHNCOMP>
> > > > > > > > From: "John Wards" <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> > > > > > > > To: <test at lists.sportnetwork.net>
> > > > > > > > Subject: test
> > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:32:54 +0100
> > > > > > > > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > > > > > > >  charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > > > > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > > > > > > > X-Priority: 3
> > > > > > > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> > > > > > > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
> > > > > > > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > test
> > > > > > > > -------------------------------//E-oF
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > AND
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > {s
> > > > > > > > -----------------------------//E-of
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I do crontab -l as mailman user (I double checked by typing
> > >whoami) I
> > > > >get
> > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > # At 5PM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending
> > >requests
> > > > > > > > 0 17 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S
> /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs
> > > > > > > > #
> > > > > > > > # Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as
> > >threshhold
> > > > > > > > delivery.
> > > > > > > > 0 12 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S
> /home/mailman/cron/senddigests
> > > > > > > > #
> > > > > > > > # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password
> reminders.
> > > > > > > > 0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S
> /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
> > > > > > > > #
> > > > > > > > # Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment
> this
> > >one
> > > > >out
> > > > > > > > # if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going
> on
> > >right
> > > > >now,
> > > > > > > > # or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of
> > >polling.
> > > > > > > > 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * *
> /usr/local/bin/python -S
> > > > > > > > /home/mailman/cron/gate_news
> > > > > > > > #
> > > > > > > > # At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file.
> Only
> > > > > > > > # turn this on if the internal archiver is used and
> > > > > > > > # GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py
> > > > > > > > 27 3 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S
> > >/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
> > > > > > > > #
> > > > > > > > # Retry failed deliveries once per minute.
> > > > > > > > * * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I look in the cron logs:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73800]: (root) CMD
> > > > > > > > (/usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/restart_all.sh > /dev/null)
> > > > > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73801]: (root) CMD
> > > > >(/usr/libexec/atrun)
> > > > > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73802]: (root) CMD
> > > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/mrtg --logging /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.log
> > > > > > > > /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.cfg)
> > > > > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73803]: (nobody) CMD
> > > > > > > > (/home/oasis/public_html/mgmt/minutely_maint.php)
> > > > > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73804]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73805]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news)
> > > > > > > > Sep 12 09:45:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73806]: (root) CMD (
> > > > > > > > /usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/mail_log.pl > /dev/null)
> > > > > > > > Sep 12 09:46:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73920]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > > > Sep 12 09:47:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73950]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > > > Sep 12 09:48:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[73988]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > > > Sep 12 09:49:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74045]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74106]: (root) CMD (
> > > > > > > > /usr/local/controlpanel/cronjobs/mail_log.pl > /dev/null)
> > > > > > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74107]: (root) CMD
> > > > >(/usr/libexec/atrun)
> > > > > > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74108]: (root) CMD
> > > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/mrtg --logging /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.log
> > > > > > > > /usr/local/mrtg/mrtg.cfg)
> > > > > > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74109]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74110]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news)
> > > > > > > > Sep 12 09:50:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74111]: (nobody) CMD
> > > > > > > > (/home/oasis/public_html/mgmt/minutely_maint.php)
> > > > > > > > Sep 12 09:51:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74172]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > > > Sep 12 09:52:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74205]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > > > Sep 12 09:53:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74235]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > > > Sep 12 09:54:00 www /usr/sbin/cron[74280]: (mailman) CMD
> > > > > > > > (/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > oh and ~mailman/.qmail-default is set up like:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > |preline /usr/local/bin/python
> /home/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Think thats it.........
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am most confuzed.....everything seems to be fine but I am
> not
> > > > >getting
> > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > messages.........
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > HELP!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Oh I have read through every readme supplyied and set up my
> system
> > >as
> > > > > > > > suggested. I have also searched through the archives with the
> key
> > > > >words
> > > > > > > > qmail and bsd.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > > John Wards
> > > > > > > > SportNetwork.net
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > > > > > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > > > > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > > > > > > Searchable Archives:
> > > > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > > > > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > > > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > > > > > Searchable Archives:
> > > > >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > > > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > > > > Searchable Archives:
> > > > >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > > >Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > > >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > > >Searchable Archives:
> > >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/





From derf at sonic.net  Sun Sep 15 18:11:39 2002
From: derf at sonic.net (derf)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 09:11:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Solaris install problem
Message-ID: <20020915091139.B13452@sonic.net>


I'm trying to install Mailman under Solaris 8 with the 8_recommended patches
installed.  I've downloaded, compiled, and installed Python 2.2.1.  While
attempting to configure Mailman 2.0.13, it gives the following error no
matter what I do:

# ./configure --with-username=mailman
loading cache ./config.cache
checking for --with-python... no
checking for python... /usr/local/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... /usr/local/bin/python
checking Python version... 2.2.1
checking for a BSD compatible install... ./install-sh -c
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for true... /usr/bin/true
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking whether #! works in shell scripts... yes
checking for --with-var-prefix... no
checking for --with-username... mailman
checking for mailman UID... Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "conftest.py", line 1, in ?
    import pwd, string
ImportError: No module named pwd
cat: cannot open conftest.out

configure: error: 
***** No "mailman" user found!
***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined
***** (usually in your /etc/passwd file).  Please see the INSTALL
***** file for details.
# 

My /etc/passwd has the following line in it:

mailman:x:126:508::/apps/mailman:/usr/local/bin/tcsh

The user and group have been created as per the instructions.  I'm thinking
that it's giving me this error message, but not because of the user issue,
but because of something else.

Does anybody have any idea what this could be?

Thanks,

Derf



From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Sun Sep 15 21:56:11 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:56:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mime stripping in 2.1b3
In-Reply-To: <36CD2F62-C81F-11D6-A9F2-0003939CC61E@yonderway.com>
References: <4DE9B9E1-C81E-11D6-B0F1-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> <36CD2F62-C81F-11D6-A9F2-0003939CC61E@yonderway.com>
Message-ID: <20020915195611.GC10137@hq.newdream.net>

Christian J Hedemark wrote:
> On Saturday, September 14, 2002, at 04:12 PM, LuKreme wrote:

> >This is not how the mime filters in 2.1b3 seem to work.  List the 
> >types to be blocked.
 
> If we're taking votes here, I'm all for whitelists (block all MIME by 
> default, except that which is explicitly allowed).  I think in most 
> cases a whitelist will be shorter and easier to maintain than a 
> blacklist.

I agree 100%. Generally, there are only going to be a few types of
attachments you actually *do* want to permit.

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From joel at webbgroup.net  Mon Sep 16 00:21:51 2002
From: joel at webbgroup.net (Joel Webb)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:21:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting The RedHat RPM working
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209151819420.30659-100000@mail.webbgroup.net>

I would like to use the RPM'ed version of mailman, but my cgi-extension is 
.cgi

Does anybody know how to change this in the RPM'ed version?? 

I tried to put back a older recompiled version of mailman and now it is 
complaining about a previous version and exits. Heeelp!!


-- 
Respectfully,
Joel Webb
WebbGroup Network Systems
www.webbgroup.net
336.841.7241
336.841.6068




From fcrouse at scotiacom.com  Wed Sep 11 04:39:19 2002
From: fcrouse at scotiacom.com (Fred at ScotiaCom)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:39:19 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Managing large lists
Message-ID: <B9A43327.1BDE%fcrouse@scotiacom.com>

Is the Member Management web page the only place to manage membership lists.
I want to use Mailman with a list with 5000+ members. I can't imagine
scrolling through 5000 members 30 at a time to unscribe a member, or to
check an address. Is there a search or sort option? Is there a way to
integrate the members with a field in a MySQL database.
fred




From pdo at cs.umd.edu  Wed Sep 11 08:15:09 2002
From: pdo at cs.umd.edu (Patrick O'Brien)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 02:15:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with virtual hosting
Message-ID: <200209110615.g8B6F9IJ015490@optimus.cs.umd.edu>

Hello,

I'm setting up mailman on a machine that handles mail for a different domain 
than it's actual name is.  I realize this is pretty standard, and it works for 
the most part.

However, when I subscribe/undsubscribe people from my test list, the mail to 
the person being [un]subscribed comes from "test-request@<actual domain>" 
rather than "test-request@<virtual domain>"  ie, when the mail is sent, 
mailman is just specifying:
	From: test-request
instead of
	From: test-request at virtual.domain.com

... and sendmail is happily appending @realname.com to test-request.

I've got everything in all the config files pointing at the virtual domain, so 
I'm not sure what else I can do.  Is this a bug, or is there a config option 
somewhere to make mailman explicitly specify the domain when sending 
administrative email?  It seems to me that mailman is expecting sendmail to 
append the correct domain, and it's not happening.

Note that all of the email addresses within the administrative emails read 
correctly, ie:
	To post to this list, send your email to:
		test@<virtualdomain>

And if it turns out I need to hack mailman to do what I want, can somebody 
tell me where this behavior is defined?

Thanks,
-Pat

----------------------------
Patrick O'Brien
Unix Systems Administrator
Computer Science Department
University of Maryland
College Park, MD
----------------------------

-Pat





From victoriano.giralt at uma.es  Wed Sep 11 10:19:02 2002
From: victoriano.giralt at uma.es (Victoriano Giralt)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:19:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Version for Frenchie!
References: <002701c25904$c3a2e8d0$6401a8c0@pegasus>
Message-ID: <3D7EFC76.6070502@vgg.sci.uma.es>

Nathalie Lachance wrote:
| there. When is version 3 supposed to be out?
Well, I think Barry will concur, that this is a bit long far away :)

| those lines. I would be more than willing to help with the translation to
| French (something I already do professionally).
French is not a language I'm fluent, but I think the French catalog for
Mailman 2.1b3 is rather complete, give it a try if you can.


-- 
Victoriano Giralt
Systems Manager
Central Computing Facility
University of Malaga
SPAIN




From philip.reynolds at rfc-networks.ie  Wed Sep 11 15:51:48 2002
From: philip.reynolds at rfc-networks.ie (Philip Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:51:48 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
Message-ID: <20020911135148.A93455@rfc-networks.ie>

Hi,

I was wondering what the support is like for virtual domains in
Mailman 2.0.12. Is it there? I'd prefer not to have to upgrade at
the moment.

Basically, we want to run one instance of mailman even though we are
providing it's services to multiple domains. I have searched the
archived, I hope it's not a FAQ (but somehow I have a feeling it
is).

I suppose, some of this could be implemented at MTA level, but not
all of it (List-Id's etc. etc.)

Basically our main domain is, for example, domain1.com. When we add
a list for domain2.com and domain3.com we want the headers on the
mails to reflect this.

Does upgrading to 2.1 (beta3 or whatever) solve this problem and am
I right that this can't be done properly on 2.0.12.

Thanks for your time.
Regards,
-- 
Philip Reynolds                      | RFC Networks Ltd.
philip.reynolds at rfc-networks.ie      | +353 (0)1 8832063
http://people.rfc-networks.ie/~phil  | www.rfc-networks.ie



From prew at axelero.hu  Wed Sep 11 15:25:11 2002
From: prew at axelero.hu (Csaba Csanaki)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:25:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug? or something else?
Message-ID: <000301c25996$a7e9d080$49e6ec91@matav.net>

hi!

i have a question!

i installed mailman 2.0.13!
this work properly!

but i have a problem!

i have two virtual host on my computer.

<VirtualHost 145.236.231.201>
        ServerName www.csanaki.hu
        DocumentRoot /var/www/csanaki.hu
        ErrorLog logs/csanaki_error.log
        CustomLog logs/csanaki_custom.log common
        # Mailman
        Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/*
        Alias /icons/ /home/mailman/icons/
        ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
</VirtualHost>

<VirtualHost 145.236.231.201>
        ServerName csanaki.hu
        DocumentRoot /var/www/csanaki.hu
        ErrorLog logs/csanaki_error.log
        CustomLog logs/csanaki_custom.log common
        # Mailman
        Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/*
        Alias /icons/ /home/mailman/icons/
        ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
</VirtualHost>

after i installed mailman, i created a test list!
this is work!

but.. if i see http://csanaki.hu/mailman/listinfo/ site, where i see
test list! :)

List Description 
Test [no description available] 

that's fine!

if i see else http://www.csanaki.hu/mailman/listinfo/ where i don't see
own list!

why don't see test list???? :(

but http://www.csanaki.hu/mailman/listinfo/test/ work properly :)

what's the problem???

can you help for me?

Best Regards,
Prew
--------------------------------
mailto:prew at axelero.hu
http://prew.matav.hu
ICQ:6384302




From jimhols at bigfoot.com  Fri Sep 13 00:03:47 2002
From: jimhols at bigfoot.com (Jim Holsworth)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:03:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can Mailman properly archive html posts
Message-ID: <HJEJKOKIHODMEIGOMPFFGEHPDAAA.jimhols@bigfoot.com>

Hello,

I am just trying Mailman and like it very much.

But when I post with a html message, everyone on the list gets an html
message that looks good. However, I'm having 2 problems

1. The information that accompanies non html email
	The header and footer with a link to the mailing list
is not transmitted in the html deliveries to list members.
I've looked at the source for these html messages ( I use Outlook) and the
info is not there. Of course, this could be the fault of Outlook.


2. The web archive shows the html messages, but it is a dump of plain text
and text wht html markup. actual html is not properly displayed.

I'm hoping I've just missed some documentation and can make this work.

Eagerly awaiting your help

Jim






From clawson at jungle.ottawa.on.ca  Fri Sep 13 04:59:39 2002
From: clawson at jungle.ottawa.on.ca (Chris Lawson)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:59:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] less logging
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209122258320.2324-100000@linux.jungle.ottawa.on.ca>

How do I turn down the logs?

Or at least record only critical events, rather than everything the 
various cronscripts do?

cmkl
-- 
Chris Lawson
clawson at jungle.ottawa.on.ca
http://www.jungle.ottawa.on.ca




From tom at plik.net  Fri Sep 13 17:50:23 2002
From: tom at plik.net (Thomas C. Meggs)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:50:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicate emails
Message-ID: <3D82093F.6020507@plik.net>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hi,

Right now my Mailman lists have the behavior of having replies to the
sender enabled, so that Mailman doesn't add/munge the Reply-To: header,
as is apparently strongly reccomended by the Mailman authors. However,
In order to reply back to the list one must hit Reply All. This I don't
have a problem with.

Here is my question though. Is there an option to disable duplicate
replies? I looked for an option to do this but I may simply be missing
it. Basically I want Mailman to be smart about who messages it sends are
going to, and if one of the recipients was already sent a copy of the
mailing by the original sender, I don't want that recipient to recieve a
second copy of the message from Mailman.

Regards,
Tom

- --
$Id: .sig,v 1.17 2002/08/21 13:12:32 tom Exp $

pub  1024D/87F1C20F 2001-11-15 Thomas C. Meggs <tom at plik.net>
Key fingerprint = 5E9A D535 B9DA A889 984B  9654 2025 409B 87F1 C20F

"It was funny with coffee.  Sometimes it did nothing for
him, and actually made him weak. But sometimes it really
made him feel like God."
	- from "Miguel", short story by Dan Bern

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From Ed_Young at toyota.com  Fri Sep 13 19:04:22 2002
From: Ed_Young at toyota.com (Ed_Young at toyota.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:04:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Documentation
Message-ID: <OF896F33F1.D0516185-ON88256C33.005DB9F4-88256C33.005DC923@tms.toyota.com>

Is there any more documentation than what I found on list.org ?
Thanks.


======================================
Sincerely,
Edmund Young III
Unix Systems Administrator
Toyota Motor Sales
Bus: (310) 468 - 1620
http://www.toyota.com
======================================
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From dnk at me.umn.edu  Fri Sep 13 20:35:57 2002
From: dnk at me.umn.edu (Deepa N. Kumar)
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:35:57 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] About logging out.
Message-ID: <20020913133049.P5341-100000@rum.me.umn.edu>

Hello

I am the administrator in the Hinf5430 list.
I have a problem, I am not able to figure out how to exit/logout of the
list. This I ask because, I closed the window and when I returned to the
window I did not have to login again.

I am a new adminstrator so please help me.

Thankyou
Deepa Kumar
Masters Student
University of Minnesota




From Thomas at travelhacker.net  Sat Sep 14 18:50:50 2002
From: Thomas at travelhacker.net (Thomas R. Speight)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:50:50 -0700
Subject: Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I use two separate servers for
  Mailman and mail
In-Reply-To: <20020914160005.3500.44357.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020914093954.016f0758@travelhacker.net>

Mel,

The straight forward answer is yes!  I run Mailman and my server and send 
my Mailman mail to another server (not mine) using Exim even though I also 
run sendmail on my server for all mail other than my Mailman lists.

In the Mailman directory find the file mm_cfg.py, then change or add the line
SMTPHOST = 'yourdomain.com'

You are on your own from here!  You have to set permissions to allow your 
mail on that server

Thomas

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well let me post this differently. I checked the FAQ and found nothing.
I have MM 2.0.13 installed on the webserver for a client here and would
like to use the MTA (Sendmail) on the mail server which is a different
box. Sendmail version is 8.12.4. How can I accomplish this.
Mel




From root at mini-net.co.uk  Sun Sep 15 01:49:19 2002
From: root at mini-net.co.uk (root)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 00:49:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual domains
Message-ID: <200209150049.19508.root@mini-net.co.uk>

Hi,

Q1:

In the mailman docs (features), you say there is: Support for virtual domains

How is this done ?

If the answer is - setting different `mailman' directories for each domain
in httpd.conf - thats fine, but please document this and just tell us what
files/directories need to be duplicated / kept apart...

ie. different ScripAlias per doamin ?


Q2:

For a subscriber on a list, they have the option to be `concealed' on
the list of subscribers - is there a way to make this the default for a
list ?

Thanks,
John.



From raquel at thericehouse.net  Mon Sep 16 01:52:52 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 16:52:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Managing large lists
In-Reply-To: <B9A43327.1BDE%fcrouse@scotiacom.com>
References: <B9A43327.1BDE%fcrouse@scotiacom.com>
Message-ID: <20020915165252.162dc389.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:39:19 -0300
Fred at ScotiaCom <fcrouse at scotiacom.com> wrote:

> Is the Member Management web page the only place to manage
> membership lists. I want to use Mailman with a list with 5000+
> members. I can't imagine scrolling through 5000 members 30 at a
> time to unscribe a member, or to check an address. Is there a
> search or sort option? Is there a way to integrate the members
> with a field in a MySQL database. fred
> 

Yes, with version 2.1b3 the membership is handled differently and
there is a search function provided.

--
Raquel
============================================================
The difference between the right word and the almost right word is
the difference between lightning and the lightning bug.
  --Mark Twain




From raquel at thericehouse.net  Mon Sep 16 01:55:25 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 16:55:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] About logging out.
In-Reply-To: <20020913133049.P5341-100000@rum.me.umn.edu>
References: <20020913133049.P5341-100000@rum.me.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20020915165525.09d20684.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:35:57 -0500 (CDT)
"Deepa N. Kumar" <dnk at me.umn.edu> wrote:

> Hello
> 
> I am the administrator in the Hinf5430 list.
> I have a problem, I am not able to figure out how to exit/logout
> of the list. This I ask because, I closed the window and when I
> returned to the window I did not have to login again.
> 
> I am a new adminstrator so please help me.
> 

Did you click on "LOGOUT" in the administrator's menu?

--
Raquel
============================================================
The difference between the right word and the almost right word is
the difference between lightning and the lightning bug.
  --Mark Twain




From ahkitj at jnawk.net.nz  Mon Sep 16 04:04:53 2002
From: ahkitj at jnawk.net.nz (Jonathan Ah Kit)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:04:53 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can Mailman properly archive html posts
In-Reply-To: <HJEJKOKIHODMEIGOMPFFGEHPDAAA.jimhols@bigfoot.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0209161401380.14663-100000@mayor.jnawk.net.nz>

Hullo,

Mind if I add another one here? HTML mail is like MIME/attachment mail;
shows up in the archives almost as a dump. (Unless one has a mailreader
with mbox file support, of course, and isn't using the web archive.)

Any solutions with Pipermail, or do I need to load up another archiver,
like, say, MHonArc? (IIRC that does it right.)

Thanks, regards,
Jonathan.

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Sep 16 04:01:04 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 15 Sep 2002 22:01:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Managing large lists
In-Reply-To: <B9A43327.1BDE%fcrouse@scotiacom.com>
References: <B9A43327.1BDE%fcrouse@scotiacom.com>
Message-ID: <1032141665.1669.198.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 22:39, Fred at ScotiaCom wrote:
> Is the Member Management web page the only place to manage membership lists.

No, you can also do it from the command line.  Mailman comes with
several nice commands that allow you manage your lists without visiting
the web interface.  The commands are also extremely nice for setting up
automated (or near) automated tasks!

> I want to use Mailman with a list with 5000+ members. I can't imagine
> scrolling through 5000 members 30 at a time to unscribe a member, or to
> check an address. 

I can't either, that's why I edit ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and change
the number of lines displayed in the Web interface! You would probably
like to change it to 500 or 1000.  A lot of folks with larger lists make
this change.

Note: changing it will only affect future lists and not current lists. 
To change this value on current lists is a little more tricky and
involves the use of the with-list command.  You can search the archives
for details.

> Is there a search or sort option? 

Yes, the command line interface has a search option.  There is also a
command to delete a specific email address from one list or all lists.

> Is there a way to
> integrate the members with a field in a MySQL database.
> fred

In the Beta version - Yes.  Not in the current 2.0x series.

Good Luck!




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Sep 16 04:05:57 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 15 Sep 2002 22:05:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with virtual hosting
In-Reply-To: <200209110615.g8B6F9IJ015490@optimus.cs.umd.edu>
References: <200209110615.g8B6F9IJ015490@optimus.cs.umd.edu>
Message-ID: <1032141957.1669.207.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Sendmail is the culprit.  Recompile it to use the generics table, then
setup the generics table.  The generics table allows sendmail to masque
as an MTA for alternate domains.
  http://www.sendmail.org/virtual-hosting.html

Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 02:15, Patrick O'Brien wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm setting up mailman on a machine that handles mail for a different domain 
> than it's actual name is.  I realize this is pretty standard, and it works for 
> the most part.
> 
> However, when I subscribe/undsubscribe people from my test list, the mail to 
> the person being [un]subscribed comes from "test-request@<actual domain>" 
> rather than "test-request@<virtual domain>"  ie, when the mail is sent, 
> mailman is just specifying:
> 	From: test-request
> instead of
> 	From: test-request at virtual.domain.com
> 
> ... and sendmail is happily appending @realname.com to test-request.
> 
> I've got everything in all the config files pointing at the virtual domain, so 
> I'm not sure what else I can do.  Is this a bug, or is there a config option 
> somewhere to make mailman explicitly specify the domain when sending 
> administrative email?  It seems to me that mailman is expecting sendmail to 
> append the correct domain, and it's not happening.
> 
> Note that all of the email addresses within the administrative emails read 
> correctly, ie:
> 	To post to this list, send your email to:
> 		test@<virtualdomain>
> 
> And if it turns out I need to hack mailman to do what I want, can somebody 
> tell me where this behavior is defined?
> 
> Thanks,
> -Pat
> 
> ----------------------------
> Patrick O'Brien
> Unix Systems Administrator
> Computer Science Department
> University of Maryland
> College Park, MD
> ----------------------------
> 
> -Pat
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Sep 16 04:09:48 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 15 Sep 2002 22:09:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] less logging
In-Reply-To: 
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0209122258320.2324-100000@linux.jungle.ottawa.on.ca>
References: 
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0209122258320.2324-100000@linux.jungle.ottawa.on.ca>
Message-ID: <1032142188.1633.214.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Simply rotate your logs more frequently.

On Thu, 2002-09-12 at 22:59, Chris Lawson wrote:
> How do I turn down the logs?
> 
> Or at least record only critical events, rather than everything the 
> various cronscripts do?
> 
> cmkl
> -- 
> Chris Lawson
> clawson at jungle.ottawa.on.ca
> http://www.jungle.ottawa.on.ca
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/





From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Sep 16 12:40:35 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:40:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What is this?
In-Reply-To: <20010620173720.14765.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <3B30BE51.880B5F60@auntminnie.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020916112214.0441ee10@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 10:37 20/06/2001 -0700, Zimmer wrote:
>/usr/local/bin/python: can't open file
>'/home/mailman/cron/qrunner'
>
>
>Ok, I keep getting this in my mailman user's inbox.
>What's it mean?
>
>
>A Confuzzled Zimm
>

You do not say but I'm assuming you are running Mailman 2.0.x

As part of your installation procedure you should have installed a cron 
table, probably the one in $prefix/Mailman/cron/crontab.in, for your 
mailman UID. In that crontab should be a line that reads something like:

<quote>
* * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
</quote>

You can check this with the crontab command.

I think the email may be cron telling you that it cannot open the qrunner 
script file being referred to by the crontab entry.

Doing an ls -l on $prefix/cron would have the following line in the 
response if your Mailman installation is OK:

<quote>
-rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman     12044 Jul 30 11:41 qrunner
</quote>

Running $prefix/bin/check_perms might clear the problem





From mariagarciasuarez at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 16 12:43:06 2002
From: mariagarciasuarez at yahoo.com (Maria Garcia Suarez)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 03:43:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mails locked, "Could not acquire qrunner lock"
Message-ID: <20020916104306.52641.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi there!

Some days ago I installed Mailman and yesterday, when
I tried to use it I suffered of locked mails. 

Searching on the web I found this page:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.019.htp

where my problem is described....

I've tried all the proposed solutions but system keeps
on locking my mails. My mail server works fine
(meaning that "normal" addresses can get mails) but
Mailman's mailing lists don't work :-(

I've run strace to see what's going on but I don't
understand the output, here I attach it. Could some
help me to "decrypt" it? ;-)  Thx!

Kisses,

Maria G Suarez


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From camel at lrllamas.com  Mon Sep 16 12:52:15 2002
From: camel at lrllamas.com (Jay S Curtis)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 06:52:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mime stripping in 2.1b3
In-Reply-To: <20020915195611.GC10137@hq.newdream.net>
References: <4DE9B9E1-C81E-11D6-B0F1-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> <36CD2F62-C81F-11D6-A9F2-0003939CC61E@yonderway.com> <20020915195611.GC10137@hq.newdream.net>
Message-ID: <200209160651.36018.camel@lrllamas.com>

I guess "Amen to that!!"
mime "types" that are wrappers for viruses and other nasty things change all 
the time... MUCH easier to "whitelist". (Basically the same deal with the 
evolution of spam blocking)

On Sunday 15 September 2002 03:56 pm, Will Yardley wrote:
> Christian J Hedemark wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 14, 2002, at 04:12 PM, LuKreme wrote:
> > >This is not how the mime filters in 2.1b3 seem to work.  List the
> > >types to be blocked.
> >
> > If we're taking votes here, I'm all for whitelists (block all MIME by
> > default, except that which is explicitly allowed).  I think in most
> > cases a whitelist will be shorter and easier to maintain than a
> > blacklist.
>
> I agree 100%. Generally, there are only going to be a few types of
> attachments you actually *do* want to permit.

-- 
Medical Fact: Realistic expectation can provide complete relief
from frequent disappointment.

Jay S. Curtis





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Sep 16 14:43:55 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 16 Sep 2002 08:43:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mails locked, "Could not acquire qrunner lock"
In-Reply-To: <20020916104306.52641.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020916104306.52641.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1032180236.5240.16.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Upgrade/install the latest version of Mailman.  Some earlier version of
mailman had problems with some odd mail formats which continually locked
up the queue.  That could be your problem...

If that doesn't help, then please include your MTA info (sendmail,
postfix, exim, qmail, etc..), your OS (linux, solaris, MacOS, palm V,
etc..), and your version of Mailman.

Jon Carnes


On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 06:43, Maria Garcia Suarez wrote:
> Hi there!
> 
> Some days ago I installed Mailman and yesterday, when
> I tried to use it I suffered of locked mails. 
> 
> Searching on the web I found this page:
> 
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.019.htp
> 
> where my problem is described....
> 
> I've tried all the proposed solutions but system keeps
> on locking my mails. My mail server works fine
> (meaning that "normal" addresses can get mails) but
> Mailman's mailing lists don't work :-(
> 
> I've run strace to see what's going on but I don't
> understand the output, here I attach it. Could some
> help me to "decrypt" it? ;-)  Thx!
> 
> Kisses,
> 
> Maria G Suarez
> 




From flavio at gral.com.br  Mon Sep 16 20:43:15 2002
From: flavio at gral.com.br (Flavio)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:43:15 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Many moderators - How to hide
Message-ID: <NGBBKMCJFJOOJIELKIMDIEAJCIAA.flavio@gral.com.br>

Hello List

I need to divide the moderator work with 10 users in my list.  Mailman can
redirect the approval messages to them? When I put they as administrator, we
have 10 e-mails in the footer of the page. Can we hide it?

Thanks in advance

Fl?vio
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From jas at nysia.org  Mon Sep 16 20:36:33 2002
From: jas at nysia.org (Jaswinder S. Hayre)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:36:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] some users not getting posted email message
Message-ID: <6547A5AF6882D6118FC100065B8872071B51@MSP101>

Guys,

For some reason some members don't get the posted email.  Our list server is
lists.nysia.org, but anyone that is registered with a *@nysia.org email
address does not get any emails from the list server.  There might be more
people, but I haven't identified (no one has complained that they aren't
getting it).  Any clue about what might be happening.  I believe this only
happens for one of the lists.  The list has about 5000 members.

Jas




From raquel at thericehouse.net  Mon Sep 16 20:43:40 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:43:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mime stripping in 2.1b3
In-Reply-To: <200209160651.36018.camel@lrllamas.com>
References: <4DE9B9E1-C81E-11D6-B0F1-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>
	<36CD2F62-C81F-11D6-A9F2-0003939CC61E@yonderway.com>
	<20020915195611.GC10137@hq.newdream.net>
	<200209160651.36018.camel@lrllamas.com>
Message-ID: <20020916114340.113818cb.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Mon, 16 Sep 2002 06:52:15 -0400
Jay S Curtis <camel at lrllamas.com> wrote:

> I guess "Amen to that!!"
> mime "types" that are wrappers for viruses and other nasty things
> change all the time... MUCH easier to "whitelist". (Basically the
> same deal with the evolution of spam blocking)
> 

I think this is the original problem, 2.1b3 provides for "blacklist"
MIME-Type blocking, but I can't find where it provides for
"whitelist" blocking.  If it does, that's the question I would like
to have answered.

--
Raquel
============================================================
Good timber does not grow with ease; the stronger the wind, the
stronger the trees.
  --J. Willard Marriott




From michael at firewing.org  Mon Sep 16 21:50:43 2002
From: michael at firewing.org (Michael Johnson)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:50:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "relaying prohibited by admin" error
In-Reply-To: <NCEMILDAGNJCLAOJPABBMECDCCAA.quantum@sqf-clan.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.44.0209161250090.8114-100000@firewing.org>

I use postfix. I have several different lists that I host through
different virtual domains. No problems so far (out of the ordinary).

-mj

On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Wolfram Knipp wrote:

> is there a better alternative to sendmail then?
>
>
> -
> Wolfram Knipp
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Tom Whiting
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 6:52 PM
> To: Wolfram Knipp
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] "relaying prohibited by admin" error
>
>
> More than likely yes it is the problem, if you're using a distribution that
> has been released in, say, the past year or so, and haven't touched the
> config files.
>
> As far as where your config files are, look for 'em in /etc/mail (on most
> distributions). If they're not there, grab a big ol cup of coffee, pull up
> your distribution's manual and start reading away.
> You'll have to do the latter anyways I'm sure, because enabling sendmail to
> relay to x server is not fun by any means.
>
> On Wednesday 14 August 2002 05:39 am, Wolfram Knipp wrote:
> > yes I'm using sendmail.
> > later versions of sendmail disallow relaying? ugh... this could be the
> > issue then.
> > where is the sendmail configuration file (default) on the server? i was
> > unsuccessful at trying to find it earlier on
> > thanks
> >
> >
> > -
> > Wolfram Knipp
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Tom Whiting
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 6:32 PM
> > To: Wolfram Knipp; Matthias Janichen
> > Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] "relaying prohibited by admin" error
> >
> >
> > Well, check to make sure you've actually set up sendmail, or which ever
> MTA
> > you ARE using correctly then.
> > Relaying being prohibited usually means you have NOT set up your MTA on
> the
> > server correctly. Remember, by DEFAULT the later versions of sendmail deny
> > relaying. This is something you're going to have to change.
> >
> > On Wednesday 14 August 2002 05:19 am, Wolfram Knipp wrote:
> > > hi,
> > >   on my DNS server i set lists.mydomain.org to point to the IP addy of
> > > the server Mailman is on.
> > > I'm required to use LISTS.mydomain.org, because mydomain.org is already
> > > being used for another server.
> > >
> > > as for Qmail, nope I'm not using it...
> > >
> > >
> > > -
> > > Wolfram Knipp
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> > > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Matthias Janichen
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 2:30 PM
> > > To: mailman-users at python.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] "relaying prohibited by admin" error
> > >
> > > At 14:30 13.08.02 +0800, Wolfram Knipp wrote:
> > > ><mylist at lists.mydomain.org>
> > > >     (reason: 550 relaying to <mylist at lists.mydomain.org> prohibited by
> > > >administrator)
> > >
> > > is lists.mydomain.org a different server or just a virtual domain on the
> > > same machine? In that case you should add it to the list of localhosts.
> >
> > For
> >
> > > Qmail this would be the file /var/qmail/control/rcpthosts
> > >
> > > try to send to mylist at mydomain.org and get rid of "lists."
> > >
> > > Reg.
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
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> > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > Searchable Archives:
> > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
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> > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > Searchable Archives:
> > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
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>




From michael at firewing.org  Mon Sep 16 21:53:37 2002
From: michael at firewing.org (Michael Johnson)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:53:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "True" virtual domains [netaktiv.com #99]
In-Reply-To: <20020702090730.GA18949@mail.inet.hr>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.44.0209161251200.8114-100000@firewing.org>

I have the same box serving out lists for (pseudo example): list1.foo.com
and list2.bar.com. They are also tied via the web interface to the apache
VH configuration associated with that host. My "real name" for each list
never appears in header.

I don't (never have, never will) use QMail but Postfix.

-mj

On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Gour wrote:

> Stephane Bortzmeyer (bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com) wrote:
>
> > Yes but it still fails for OUTGOING mails. The real name still appears
> > in many places. I can use Postfix's canonical to rewrite what's in the
> > headers but it is painful.
> >
> > And some messages like "We have received a request from 62.212.103.139
> > for subscription of your email address, <bortzmeyer at gitoyen.net>, to the
> > REALNAME at VIRTUALDOMAIN mailing list." are not subject to customization.
> >
> > I feel inclined to say that Mailman does not really support virtual
> > domains :-(
>
> I'm also trying to get "true" virtual support with Mailman & qmail and also
> realize that if I create test1 at lists.net and test2 at lists.net, and want them
> to appear as test at domain1.com and test at domain2.com, still I in the list info
> page they appear as test1 & test2 list ie. it's not possible to hide them.
>
> Or I am missing something?
>
> (each domain has its own listm but cannot hide real names.)
>
> So, it is proper to conclude that there is no real true virtual domain support
> in Mailman?
>
> (it can save me some time in experimenting further :-)
>
> Sincerely,
> Gour
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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>




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Sep 16 22:06:51 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 16 Sep 2002 16:06:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Many moderators - How to hide
In-Reply-To: <NGBBKMCJFJOOJIELKIMDIEAJCIAA.flavio@gral.com.br>
References: <NGBBKMCJFJOOJIELKIMDIEAJCIAA.flavio@gral.com.br>
Message-ID: <1032206812.1633.47.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Login to the Web Admin interface and go to the section titled:
  Edit the HTML for the public list pages

I think the entry you want to get rid of is almost at the very end:
  <MM-Mailman-Footer>

In anycase, it won't hurt to change that and then see what happens when
you reload the listinfo page.

Good luck - Jon Carnes
===
On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 14:43, Flavio wrote:
> Hello List
> 
> I need to divide the moderator work with 10 users in my list.  Mailman can
> redirect the approval messages to them? When I put they as administrator, we
> have 10 e-mails in the footer of the page. Can we hide it?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Fl?vio





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Sep 16 22:12:22 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 16 Sep 2002 16:12:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] some users not getting posted email message
In-Reply-To: <6547A5AF6882D6118FC100065B8872071B51@MSP101>
References: <6547A5AF6882D6118FC100065B8872071B51@MSP101>
Message-ID: <1032207142.1637.52.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

What do the logs say (both MTA and Mailman)?

What happens if you are at the command line as mailman and you send mail
to a local user:
  echo Test | mail -s "test of local mail delivery" tom at nysia.org

Do you have any spam filtering in place on the server?

You should tell us your MTA and the version of Mailman that you are
using.

On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 14:36, Jaswinder S. Hayre wrote:
> Guys,
> 
> For some reason some members don't get the posted email.  Our list server is
> lists.nysia.org, but anyone that is registered with a *@nysia.org email
> address does not get any emails from the list server.  There might be more
> people, but I haven't identified (no one has complained that they aren't
> getting it).  Any clue about what might be happening.  I believe this only
> happens for one of the lists.  The list has about 5000 members.
> 
> Jas
> 
> 
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From wheakory at isu.edu  Tue Sep 17 01:00:11 2002
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:00:11 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing content before approving message
Message-ID: <3D86627B.7B8D8A16@isu.edu>

Is there a way when the moderator receive a message, and before he
approves it to be sent to the mailing list, to change the content and
the from address in the message and then send it to the list with these
changes or updates in place.

I thought there was a command that you could use  to "Approved:
listpassword" to change the content with.

There are times that we need to change the body and the from address of
the pending message before it can be approved.
Please help this is real critical and I would appreciate any
information.

We are using RED HAT  7.2 with python 1.5.2 and mailman 2.0.13

--
#########################################
Kory Wheatley
Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
Phone 282-3874
#########################################
Everything must point to him.





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Sep 17 01:41:06 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 16 Sep 2002 19:41:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing content before approving message
In-Reply-To: <3D86627B.7B8D8A16@isu.edu>
References: <3D86627B.7B8D8A16@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <1032219667.2094.7.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Do you have root (or mailman command line) access on the box?  If so,
then you can simply edit the waiting file in the queue.  It's very
simple and works every time.

Otherwise, there are some older patches - which probably still work -
that allow you to edit the message via the web interface and then
approve it.

The problem with the 2.0x series of Mailman is that the message you see
in the web interface is a partial copy of the message that is actually
in the queue.  In order to edit via the web-interface you need to load
the entire message into the web-interface and then on approval, dump out
the contents of the web-form into the queue (deleting or overwriting the
current queued up message).  

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 19:00, Kory Wheatley wrote:
> Is there a way when the moderator receive a message, and before he
> approves it to be sent to the mailing list, to change the content and
> the from address in the message and then send it to the list with these
> changes or updates in place.
> 
> I thought there was a command that you could use  to "Approved:
> listpassword" to change the content with.
> 
> There are times that we need to change the body and the from address of
> the pending message before it can be approved.
> Please help this is real critical and I would appreciate any
> information.
> 
> We are using RED HAT  7.2 with python 1.5.2 and mailman 2.0.13
> 
> --
> #########################################
> Kory Wheatley
> Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
> Phone 282-3874
> #########################################
> Everything must point to him.
> 
> 
> 
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From robert.cole at support4linux.com  Tue Sep 17 02:02:43 2002
From: robert.cole at support4linux.com (Robert Cole)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:02:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] access needed to install
Message-ID: <200209161702.43024.robert.cole@support4linux.com>

I'm looking for a list manager that I can install without root access. Is it 
possible to install mailman without root access and using unmoderated lists?

Robert Cole




From barry at python.org  Tue Sep 17 02:50:41 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:50:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mime stripping in 2.1b3
References: <4DE9B9E1-C81E-11D6-B0F1-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>
	<36CD2F62-C81F-11D6-A9F2-0003939CC61E@yonderway.com>
	<20020915195611.GC10137@hq.newdream.net>
Message-ID: <15750.31841.281347.971553@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "WY" == Will Yardley <william+mm at hq.newdream.net> writes:

    >> If we're taking votes here, I'm all for whitelists (block all
    >> MIME by default, except that which is explicitly allowed).  I
    >> think in most cases a whitelist will be shorter and easier to
    >> maintain than a blacklist.

    WY> I agree 100%. Generally, there are only going to be a few
    WY> types of attachments you actually *do* want to permit.

MM2.1b4 will have a whitelist (pass_mime_types) for MIME types in
addition to the blacklist (filter_mime_types) that's in MM2.1b3.

-Barry



From ler at lerctr.org  Tue Sep 17 04:13:13 2002
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: 16 Sep 2002 21:13:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list to news gateway: why does MailMan re-write the
 message-id
Message-ID: <1032228794.378.5.camel@lerlaptop.lerctr.org>

MM2.0.12, FreeBSD Port. 

Why when an article is gatewayed from an EZMLM list to news to a MailMan
list does MailMan re-write the Message-ID? 

It makes keeping threads together by the References: header
problematical. 

Also, does 2.1b3 do this better?

LER
-- 
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Phone: +1 972-414-9812                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
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From greyad at yahoo.ca  Tue Sep 17 05:14:17 2002
From: greyad at yahoo.ca (Alex Grey)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:14:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing user emails and unsubscribes
Message-ID: <20020917031417.92126.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I'm using mailman through my school's server, so I
have no access to the cgi files or bin or things like
that (nor would I know what to do with that stuff if I
did have access).  But I was wondering if it was
possible, as the list admin, to edit the email address
that people are subscribed under by using the web
membership management interface that mailman has.  I
don't want to have to unsubscribe the old email and
then subscribe the new email as then the user will get
a message saying that they've unsubscribed when they
don't want to.  The domain of one of our list
subscribers has changed slightly, but they haven't
edited it (and probably won't), so I want to edit it
so that I don't keep getting auto-responses from their
server and so that they'll stay subscribed once the
auto-forward of messages sent to the old domain runs
out.

Also, on two related notes, is there any way as the
list admin to unsubscribe people, but so that they
don't get the automatic unsubscribe message?  And, is
there a way to auto-unsubscribe emails that bounce
back as user unknown (or similar invalid email
messages)?

Thanks all!

Alex

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From barry at python.org  Tue Sep 17 06:30:17 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 00:30:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Solaris install problem
References: <20020915091139.B13452@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <15750.45017.477144.926863@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "derf" ==   <derf at sonic.net> writes:

    derf> I'm trying to install Mailman under Solaris 8 with the
    derf> 8_recommended patches installed.  I've downloaded, compiled,
    derf> and installed Python 2.2.1.  While attempting to configure
    derf> Mailman 2.0.13, it gives the following error no matter what
    derf> I do:

This looks like a Python problem.  Can you start up Python 2.2.1 and
try the following:

% python
Python 2.2.1 (#1, May 31 2002, 18:34:35) 
[GCC egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-1.1.2 release)] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import pwd
>>> pwd.__file__
'/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/pwd.so'
>>> pwd.getpwnam('root')
('root', 'x', 0, 0, 'root', '/root', '/bin/bash')

If you get an import error on pwd, then something's wacky about your
Python build.  Note that I just tried a from-source build of Python
2.2.1 on the SF compile farm's Solaris 8 box and it worked okay for me
(although there were more than a few test failures, the pwd module
wasn't one of them).

If you /don't/ get an import error, then something else is going on,
but I'll need your help to dig in further since I don't have a Solaris
machine handy any more.

-Barry



From raquel at thericehouse.net  Tue Sep 17 07:11:15 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:11:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mime stripping in 2.1b3
In-Reply-To: <15750.31841.281347.971553@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <4DE9B9E1-C81E-11D6-B0F1-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>
	<36CD2F62-C81F-11D6-A9F2-0003939CC61E@yonderway.com>
	<20020915195611.GC10137@hq.newdream.net>
	<15750.31841.281347.971553@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <20020916221115.42a484ce.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:50:41 -0400
barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) wrote:

> 
> >>>>> "WY" == Will Yardley <william+mm at hq.newdream.net> writes:
> 
>     >> If we're taking votes here, I'm all for whitelists (block
>     >all> MIME by default, except that which is explicitly
>     >allowed).  I> think in most cases a whitelist will be shorter
>     >and easier to> maintain than a blacklist.
> 
>     WY> I agree 100%. Generally, there are only going to be a few
>     WY> types of attachments you actually *do* want to permit.
> 
> MM2.1b4 will have a whitelist (pass_mime_types) for MIME types in
> addition to the blacklist (filter_mime_types) that's in MM2.1b3.
> 
> -Barry

Wonderful!  Thank you, Barry.  How do you like "job security"?

--
Raquel
============================================================
Life's up and downs provide windows of opportunity to determine ...
[your] values and goals ... Think of using all obstacles as stepping
stones to build the life you want.
  --Marsha Sinetar




From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Sep 17 10:33:28 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 01:33:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Changing content before approving message
In-Reply-To: Message from Kory Wheatley <wheakory@isu.edu> 
   of "Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:00:11 MDT." <3D86627B.7B8D8A16@isu.edu> 
References: <3D86627B.7B8D8A16@isu.edu> 
Message-ID: <28703.1032251608@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:00:11 -0600 
Kory Wheatley <wheakory at isu.edu> wrote:

> Is there a way when the moderator receive a message, and before he
> approves it to be sent to the mailing list, to change the content and
> the from address in the message and then send it to the list with
> these changes or updates in place.

Please see the FAQ.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From camel at lrllamas.com  Tue Sep 17 12:47:59 2002
From: camel at lrllamas.com (Jay S Curtis)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 06:47:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mime stripping in 2.1b3
In-Reply-To: <15750.31841.281347.971553@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <4DE9B9E1-C81E-11D6-B0F1-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> <20020915195611.GC10137@hq.newdream.net> <15750.31841.281347.971553@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <200209170646.48460.camel@lrllamas.com>

Yupper... That just flipped on the "Barry's a Hero !!" light....
;-)

On Monday 16 September 2002 08:50 pm, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> MM2.1b4 will have a whitelist (pass_mime_types) for MIME types in
> addition to the blacklist (filter_mime_types) that's in MM2.1b3.
>
> -Barry

-- 
Medical Fact: Realistic expectation can provide complete relief
from frequent disappointment.

Jay S. Curtis





From mariagarciasuarez at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 17 13:40:44 2002
From: mariagarciasuarez at yahoo.com (Maria Garcia Suarez)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 04:40:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mails locked, "Could not acquire qrunner lock"
In-Reply-To: <1032180236.5240.16.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20020917114044.70211.qmail@web13114.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Jon!

First of all, thanks for helping me :-)

Second, I installed Mailman 2.0.11 on a Debian Woody
with Postfix as MTA.

Sorry for not including this before.

Again, thanks for your help.

Kisses,

Maria G Suarez.


--- Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com> wrote:
> Upgrade/install the latest version of Mailman.  Some
> earlier version of
> mailman had problems with some odd mail formats
> which continually locked
> up the queue.  That could be your problem...
> 
> If that doesn't help, then please include your MTA
> info (sendmail,
> postfix, exim, qmail, etc..), your OS (linux,
> solaris, MacOS, palm V,
> etc..), and your version of Mailman.
> 
> Jon Carnes
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 06:43, Maria Garcia Suarez
> wrote:
> > Hi there!
> > 
> > Some days ago I installed Mailman and yesterday,
> when
> > I tried to use it I suffered of locked mails. 
> > 
> > Searching on the web I found this page:
> > 
> >
>
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.019.htp
> > 
> > where my problem is described....
> > 
> > I've tried all the proposed solutions but system
> keeps
> > on locking my mails. My mail server works fine
> > (meaning that "normal" addresses can get mails)
> but
> > Mailman's mailing lists don't work :-(
> > 
> > I've run strace to see what's going on but I don't
> > understand the output, here I attach it. Could
> some
> > help me to "decrypt" it? ;-)  Thx!

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From joel at webbgroup.net  Tue Sep 17 14:46:28 2002
From: joel at webbgroup.net (Joel Webb)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:46:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] BUG with the 'Reply To' Header.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209170832550.8925-100000@mail.webbgroup.net>

I set up a list serve with it originally having all of the emails having 
the explicit 'Replying To' email address. I now want the 
email reply to go back to the original poster. The problem is that mailman 
won't allow me to delete or erase the email address in the Explicit 
Reply-To header field.

I WILL allow me to click on the poster radio button, but the emails won't 
change from the explicit email address.

Any suggestions??


-- 
Respectfully,
Joel Webb
WebbGroup Network Systems
www.webbgroup.net
336.841.7241
336.841.6068




From mclark at cdtmail.org  Tue Sep 17 15:29:56 2002
From: mclark at cdtmail.org (Michael Clark)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:29:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] obscure_addresses in archives?
Message-ID: <a05111b04b9acde10aa35@[10.0.1.100]>

Is it possible under 2.0.13 to have the list archives to also have 
the email addressed obscured? That seems to be just as useful as 
obscuring the list of members. Thanks, Michael

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From isak at snerpa.is  Tue Sep 17 17:27:27 2002
From: isak at snerpa.is (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=CDsak_Ben?=)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:27:27 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with mailman 2.0.13
Message-ID: <20020917152727.J19778@snerpa.bofh.is>

Hi there.

Im running RedHat Linux 7.2 with Sendmail 8.12.5 compiled from source and i just compiled mailman 2.0.13 from source

This is my error:

--
Sep 17 14:30:19 gola smrsh: uid 25: attempt to use wrapper.post.testlisti
Sep 17 14:30:19 gola sendmail[27357]: g8HEUJhi027356: to=|/usr/adm/sm.bin/wrapper post testlisti, ctladdr=<testlisti at snerpa.is> (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30820, dsn=5.0.0, stat=Service unavailable
--

I've tried pointing the wrapper to /usr/adm/sm.bin/, /etc/smrsh, and /etc/mail/smrsh beucoes those dirs where all on my system and im not sure which one to use


First i configured mailman to use gid 12 = mail and of course that is wrong so i'm using gid 25 = smmsp now and wrapper doesnt give any errors when i run it from the shell.

Anyone been in my shoes?

--
?sak Ben.





From irwin at taranto.com  Tue Sep 17 17:49:18 2002
From: irwin at taranto.com (irwin)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:49:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with mailman 2.0.13
In-Reply-To: <20020917152727.J19778@snerpa.bofh.is>
References: <20020917152727.J19778@snerpa.bofh.is>
Message-ID: <200209171549.g8HFnIe14080@taranto.com>

On Tuesday 17 September 2002 08:27 am, ?sak Ben wrote:
> Hi there.
>
> Im running RedHat Linux 7.2 with Sendmail 8.12.5 compiled from source and i
> just compiled mailman 2.0.13 from source
>
> This is my error:

Looks like you don't have the aliases set up correctly.   Here is what works 
for me with almost the exact same setup.

/etc/aliases
...
testlisti: 			|testlisti 	
testlisti-admin: 		|testlisti-admin
testlisti-request: 		|testlisti-request
testlisti-owner:		testlisti-admin
...

then create a three files in /etc/smrsh:
permissions:   755

file:  /etc/smrsh/testlisti
content:   /var/mailman/mail/wrapper post testlisti     

file:  /etc/smrsh/testlisti-admin
content:   /var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testlisti   

file:  /etc/smrsh/testlisti-request
content:   /var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlisti   

and don't forget to run 'newaliases'

Irwin




From zeus at titanvision.com  Tue Sep 17 18:04:02 2002
From: zeus at titanvision.com (zeus)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:04:02 +0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman as an announce list only
Message-ID: <001601c25e63$ec6ced10$4001a8c0@netsl.ru>

Hello there
I need to send a message once a month to a list of people. Can I use mailman to do it?
I mean the people by himself can subscribe and unsubscribe from the list? but they can not post to the list itself.
Is it possible to do with mailman. 
I know that for example the Linux Gazette Announce List work this way. 
Thanks in advance

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From shashank at evl.uic.edu  Tue Sep 17 19:04:17 2002
From: shashank at evl.uic.edu (Shashank Khanvilkar)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:04:17 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /usr/bin/python: can't open file '/usr/share/mailman/cron/qrunner'
Message-ID: <007f01c25e6c$41c4a340$7232c183@ece.uic.edu>

I am using RH 7.2 and I had installed mailman.. Everytyhing was working
fine...
However this morning i updated my system using the update agent, and i
suddenly started getting these error messages..

If i su and check the crontab for user mailman it shows me that
/usr/bin/python: can't open file '/usr/share/mailman/cron/qrunner'

is run every minute..

I checked the /usr/share/mailman directory, and it does not have the cron or
qrunner or evry the bin  (i think it was there before)..
please let me know what shoudl i do.
Shank





From flavio at gral.com.br  Tue Sep 17 18:28:42 2002
From: flavio at gral.com.br (Flavio)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:28:42 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie - Approval without Web Interface
Message-ID: <NGBBKMCJFJOOJIELKIMDAEGHCIAA.flavio@gral.com.br>

Hi

There is a way to approve or reject a message using e-mail message?

Tanks

Fl?vio


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From flavio at gral.com.br  Tue Sep 17 21:57:38 2002
From: flavio at gral.com.br (Flavio)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:57:38 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big headers
Message-ID: <NGBBKMCJFJOOJIELKIMDOEOCCIAA.flavio@gral.com.br>

Dear List

My mailman mail head have many users in it. Some ISP don?t accept my
messages. How can I solve it (one message to each user)


Thanks

Fl?vio
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From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Tue Sep 17 23:32:59 2002
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:32:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qfiles question
Message-ID: <003c01c25e91$cb8bc980$0b7a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.or.us>

I subscribed a batch of addresses to a list. When a welcome message met up
with an AutoResponder, it started generating a message/minute from
list-admin to the subscriber. Eventually a *.msg file of 10 MB accumulated
in the /home/mailman/qfiles directory. It appears that Postfix (the MTA)
does not have the message in the queue, but rather Mailman keeps attaching
text to this *.msg file in the qfiles directory and trying to send it to the
subscriber. Because the file is so large, it can't deliver it to the
subscriber (fortunately).

I tried to rename the *.msg file, but then Mailman started giving this
message about "can't unlink orphan file....".

So, my question is- how can I safely delete this file so that the mail
server won't keep generating these messages?


Christopher Adams
Automated Systems
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243  x258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us




From alex at phred.org  Wed Sep 18 00:02:55 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:02:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big headers
In-Reply-To: <NGBBKMCJFJOOJIELKIMDOEOCCIAA.flavio@gral.com.br>
Message-ID: <20020917145943.O97522-100000@phred.org>

On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Flavio wrote:
> My mailman mail head have many users in it. Some ISP don?t accept my
> messages. How can I solve it (one message to each user)

This is an MTA issue.  Mailman just sends the message to your MTA,
your MTA is responsible for talking to remote MTAs (such as at an
ISP).  The remote MTA should return a too many recipients error
that your MTA sees, and that should trigger your MTA to send this
message and start a new one for the rest of the recipients.

What MTA are you using, and which ISPs are giving you this problem?
How many recipients is your MTA trying to send?

You could set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1 in mm_cfg.py to force one recipient
per message.  That can make a noticable difference on your bandwidth
usage though.

alex




From kremels at kreme.com  Wed Sep 18 00:30:02 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:30:02 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qfiles question
In-Reply-To: <003c01c25e91$cb8bc980$0b7a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <022CBAA0-CA8D-11D6-9002-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>

On Tuesday, Sep 17, 2002, at 15:32 Canada/Mountain, Christopher Adams 
wrote:
> I subscribed a batch of addresses to a list. When a welcome message 
> met up
> with an AutoResponder, it started generating a message/minute from
> list-admin to the subscriber. Eventually a *.msg file of 10 MB 
> accumulated
> in the /home/mailman/qfiles directory. It appears that Postfix (the 
> MTA)

the files in qfiles generally have TWO files per email, don't they?




From info at voile.org  Wed Sep 18 00:37:55 2002
From: info at voile.org (Voile Abordable)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:37:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with my mailing list
Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20020917183755.6f67cd28@pop.videotron.ca>

Hello,

I'm a new user of Mailman. I found some difficulties which I don't know how
to resolve.

First, I would like to translate all the message into French, How can I do
this?

Second, I sent a message to be distributed over 1 and 1/2 hours ago to my
Mail list but it's stock somewhere. I send another one but it still does
not get delivered. Last night when I used it it worked find. I have not
change the settings since then.

Can someone help?

Thanks,

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From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Wed Sep 18 01:24:17 2002
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:24:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing Mail - How is it treated?
Message-ID: <001301c25ea1$58350310$1c01a8c0@voda>

I'd like to know how bouncing mail is treated, is it removed from the list?
Will I be notified of each bouncing address?? How long before it's taken off
the list? What about people who use web mail, can mailman tell the
difference between an error because of a full mailbox, and an error because
of a non existent user?




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Sep 18 04:37:28 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 17 Sep 2002 22:37:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /usr/bin/python: can't open file
	'/usr/share/mailman/cron/qrunner'
In-Reply-To: <007f01c25e6c$41c4a340$7232c183@ece.uic.edu>
References: <007f01c25e6c$41c4a340$7232c183@ece.uic.edu>
Message-ID: <1032316648.1671.25.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Find where it moved the files to and look for the new Cron entries in
those new files.  Replace the old cron files for user mailman with the
new one.  It should point to the proper place for the new files.

Alternately, you could install from source and then everything would
work fine.

Good Luck

On Tue, 2002-09-17 at 13:04, Shashank Khanvilkar wrote:
> I am using RH 7.2 and I had installed mailman.. Everytyhing was working
> fine...
> However this morning i updated my system using the update agent, and i
> suddenly started getting these error messages..
> 
> If i su and check the crontab for user mailman it shows me that
> /usr/bin/python: can't open file '/usr/share/mailman/cron/qrunner'
> 
> is run every minute..
> 
> I checked the /usr/share/mailman directory, and it does not have the cron or
> qrunner or evry the bin  (i think it was there before)..
> please let me know what shoudl i do.
> Shank
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/





From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Wed Sep 18 04:57:19 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:57:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated?
In-Reply-To: <001301c25ea1$58350310$1c01a8c0@voda>
References: <001301c25ea1$58350310$1c01a8c0@voda>
Message-ID: <20020918025718.GA22096@hq.newdream.net>

Angel Gabriel wrote:

> I'd like to know how bouncing mail is treated, is it removed from the list?
> Will I be notified of each bouncing address?? How long before it's taken off
> the list? What about people who use web mail, can mailman tell the
> difference between an error because of a full mailbox, and an error because
> of a non existent user?

The list admin will receive the bounce message(s)...

The current stable version of Mailman doesn't support any sort of
automatic bounce handling; I'm not sure if future versions will.

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From jakewillhelm at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 11 09:56:34 2002
From: jakewillhelm at hotmail.com (Jake Willhelm)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:56:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] issues or confusion regarding non-digest options, immediate email delivery
Message-ID: <OE69Csv29HcnIqAy8NT0000af12@hotmail.com>

I am running  

Linux 2.4.18-3 (redhat)
python2-2.2-16
mailman 2.1b3

So, I created a list immediately subscribing them. User A emailed list and all received.  User B replied and all rec'd.  User C never got reply from B to A, yet all messages to: listname at server.com ?????

I guess, I would like everyone on the list with digest disabled, non-digest enabled to receive the messages immediately sent to the list mailing alias.  This must be possible...

Administrator Config

General config, REPLIES=Poster
non digest options, Can subscribers choose to receive mail immediately, rather than in batched digests? = yes
digest options, delivery mode=regular (not digest)
Can list members choose to receive list traffic bunched in digests? = NO

Furthermore:
had all users specifically disable digest on their options page and enable email immediate delivery.

Yet, mail sent to the alias is rarely making it to everyone although it does show up on the archive.

I would like to continue to archive mail but more importantly make sure mail sent to the alias always is sent to subscribers.

Any help would be appreciated.
  


Thanks,

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From robert at computrolley.com  Wed Sep 11 10:36:07 2002
From: robert at computrolley.com (Robert Hall)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:36:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please help
Message-ID: <NGBBLNAHGLKKAAJEGEJDKELECAAA.robert@computrolley.com>

Hi

We are currently using your program and need to know what type of database
you use and if you can let me know if there is a ODBC driver for this type
of database.

Thanks

Robert Hall
PhotoNote
021 425 1500 (Tel)
021 418 8842 (Fax)
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From casey at kmunity.net  Mon Sep 16 05:11:44 2002
From: casey at kmunity.net (Casey Hughes)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:11:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Abti-virus protection with mailMan
Message-ID: <015201c25d2e$ca7a0bb0$1a4dd73f@CaseyGateway>

What can be done to protect Lists from virus'?

Casey Hughes
KMunity
casey at kmunity.net
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From leonardo at sumersoft.com  Mon Sep 16 22:55:36 2002
From: leonardo at sumersoft.com (Leonardo R. Nunes)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:55:36 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation problem
Message-ID: <00af01c25dc3$6820ef70$0200a8c0@swleonardo>

Hi, I've installed the Mailman in my linux server (RedHat 7.2) using the RPM
mailman-2.0.13-4.rpm.
I followed the site's instructions
(http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/install-start.html ) , except the parts
about installing by gnu automatic installation.


I'm getting the following errors when accessing my Mailman web pages:

Mailman CGI error!!!
This entry is being stored in your syslog:
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 51, GOT gid 48.  (Reconfigure to take
48?)




How can I change the gid to 48 instead of 51 ?

Thank you.

Leonardo R Nunes
Sumersoft Tecnologia Ltda.
http://www.sumersoft.com

R. Capit?o Souza Franco, 848 - Cj 86
Curitiba - PR - CEP 80730-420
+55 41 336-8381




From John at MyOfficeOnThe.Net  Tue Sep 17 06:29:57 2002
From: John at MyOfficeOnThe.Net (Rev John J Macuga III)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 00:29:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman vs Majordomo
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAaiC9OvTRNkyMovN5p2XHQsKAAAAQAAAAZsJBBVMkL0GL1T0FiqiJBgEAAAAA@MyOfficeOnThe.Net>

My service provides Majordomo and MajorCool as standard software on our
dedicated servers.

 

We are running RedHat 7.2  and sendmail. 

 

My question is, what are the major advantages to using Mailman instead
of Majordomo with the MajorCool control.

 

JJ

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From cnchavez at attbi.com  Tue Sep 17 06:47:00 2002
From: cnchavez at attbi.com (Carlos Chavez)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:47:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] posting to list
Message-ID: <B9AC01D4.841%cnchavez@attbi.com>

I've configured my list and gone through the documentation suggested
(Mailman Administrator's Manual) but I can't find the obvious "how do I post
to the list?"
Carlos




From dax at gurulabs.com  Tue Sep 17 09:29:56 2002
From: dax at gurulabs.com (Dax Kelson)
Date: 17 Sep 2002 01:29:56 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SOLVED: Postfix+Mailman alias-free and in separate namespace
Message-ID: <1032247796.1341.15.camel@mentor>

I've created the script postfix-to-mailman.py. Python seemed natural, as
mailman is written in python, and invoking postfix-to-mailman.py script
on delivery to mailman just warms up the disk cache with all the python
code and speeds invocation of mailman.

Postfix configuration samples (thanks Wietse) can be found inside the
script itself. The script is heavily based on the qmail-to-postfix
script by Bruce Perens.

You can get the script at:

http://www.gurulabs.com/downloads.html

Dax Kelson
Guru Labs





From Thomas.Heselhaus at gdt-online.de  Tue Sep 17 11:58:33 2002
From: Thomas.Heselhaus at gdt-online.de (Thomas Heselhaus)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:58:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] doublet check without autoresponse [Virusscan passed]
Message-ID: <3D86FCC9.9F28AF86@gdt-online.de>

I made a script which subscribed users automatically out of my
Progress-DB. The Problem is that every doublet in this DB gets an
autoresponse "You are already subscribed". 
Is there any possibilty to disable this feature !

I?m using mailman 2.0.8

theselha at elevator.de


-- 
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GDT GmbH                         
Hafenstra?e 64                   Tel.: +49 251 6099360
D-48153 Muenster, Germany        Fax:  +49 251 6099374



From polly at u.washington.edu  Tue Sep 17 23:30:46 2002
From: polly at u.washington.edu (Polly Olsen)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:30:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I add subscribers?
Message-ID: <019d01c25e91$7c34d020$a61dd080@DOM1112458>

I have been reading the information for the new Mailman.  I have not been able to locate how to add people to my list!  I have a list but can't figure out how to create my list.  Could you please guide me.
  List name:  nacoe-doctors

Thanks,
Polly Olsen
Program Coordinator 
Native American Center of Excellence
Office Multicultural Affairs
Box 357430, T-545A Health Science Center
Seattle WA, 98195-7430
206-616-3043
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From th at bogus.net  Wed Sep 18 00:58:51 2002
From: th at bogus.net (Tor Houghton)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:58:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Accidental deletion of archives (recreate archive "structure"?)
Message-ID: <007701c25e9d$cc523050$8405a8c0@bogus.net>

Hi,

I've looked through this list's archives (though there was no search
facility I could find, so I may have missed any posts relating to my query),
and I decided to subscribe and post my problem here.

Basically, I boo-boo'ed and managed to delete all the archives (they were
soft linked from another location).

How can I tell Mailman to recreate the structure, so that I don't get all
the python error messages?

(Mail to the lists did not get through until I disabled archiving.)


Tor




From mailman at vo.cnchost.com  Wed Sep 18 05:59:09 2002
From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:59:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated?
In-Reply-To: <20020918025718.GA22096@hq.newdream.net>
References: <001301c25ea1$58350310$1c01a8c0@voda>
 <001301c25ea1$58350310$1c01a8c0@voda>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20020917203546.03ebf1b0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>

On 07:57 PM 9/17/02, Will Yardley wrote:
 >Angel Gabriel wrote:
 >
 >> I'd like to know how bouncing mail is treated, is it removed from the list?
 >> Will I be notified of each bouncing address?? How long before it's 
taken off
 >> the list? What about people who use web mail, can mailman tell the
 >> difference between an error because of a full mailbox, and an error because
 >> of a non existent user?
 >
 >The list admin will receive the bounce message(s)...
 >
 >The current stable version of Mailman doesn't support any sort of
 >automatic bounce handling; I'm not sure if future versions will.

I'm managing a list running under 2.0.13 which has automatic bounce 
handling (found at the administrative website at 
domain-name/mailman/admin/listname/bounces) with the following settings:

Bounce Options

Policies regarding systematic processing of bounce messages, to help 
automate recognition and handling of defunct addresses.

Description					Value
Try to figure out error messages automatically?
			            		No Yes

Minimum number of days an address has been
non-fatally bad before we take action 		# days

Minimum number of posts to the list since members first
bounce before we consider removing them from the list
                  					# days

Maximum number of messages your list gets in an hour.
(Yes, bounce detection finds this info useful) 	# days

Action when critical or excessive bounces are detected.

                                                    Do nothing
                                                    Disable and notify me
                                                    Disable and DON'T notify me
                                                    Remove and notify me

The list I'm administrating is set as:  Yes, 5, 3, 5, Disable and notify me

It works as indicated above, if an address has had problems for at least 5 
days, and at least 3 posts have been processed since it first had problems, 
the address is disabled and the admin(s) receive a notice:

 >This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice:
 >
 >    List:       listname
 >    Member:     username at domain.com
 >    Action:     Subscription disabled.
 >    Reason:     Excessive or fatal bounces.

jc




From flavio at gral.com.br  Wed Sep 18 06:22:20 2002
From: flavio at gral.com.br (Flavio)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:22:20 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrative Authentication  timeout
Message-ID: <NGBBKMCJFJOOJIELKIMDGEAJCJAA.flavio@gral.com.br>

Dear List

After I approve some messages I can?t login using my administrative
authentication password. It seems like a timeout. When I test with a wrong
password it gives me a fail(correct) but when I try my true pass it gives me
a timeout. I have 300 users. If it?s necessary to re-install mailman how can
I backup the user?s pass.Suggestions?

Thanks in advance

Fl?vio
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From sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx  Wed Sep 18 06:29:58 2002
From: sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Sammons?=)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:29:58 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Solaris install problem
In-Reply-To: <20020915091139.B13452@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <20020918042958.72641.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com>

  You have a module "pwd" in python2.../Modules/Setup
which it?s commented, just uncomment that and
re-compile python and if it?s necesary MM too...

 
--- derf <derf at sonic.net> escribi?: > 
> 
> I'm trying to install Mailman under Solaris 8 with
> the 8_recommended patches
> installed.  I've downloaded, compiled, and installed
> Python 2.2.1.  While
> attempting to configure Mailman 2.0.13, it gives the
> following error no
> matter what I do:
> 
> # ./configure --with-username=mailman
> loading cache ./config.cache
> checking for --with-python... no
> checking for python... /usr/local/bin/python
> checking Python interpreter... /usr/local/bin/python
> checking Python version... 2.2.1
> checking for a BSD compatible install...
> ./install-sh -c
> checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
> checking for true... /usr/bin/true
> checking for --without-gcc... no
> checking for gcc... gcc
> checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
> checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a
> cross-compiler... no
> checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
> checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
> checking whether #! works in shell scripts... yes
> checking for --with-var-prefix... no
> checking for --with-username... mailman
> checking for mailman UID... Traceback (most recent
> call last):
>   File "conftest.py", line 1, in ?
>     import pwd, string
> ImportError: No module named pwd
> cat: cannot open conftest.out
> 
> configure: error: 
> ***** No "mailman" user found!
> ***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined
> ***** (usually in your /etc/passwd file).  Please
> see the INSTALL
> ***** file for details.
> # 
> 
> My /etc/passwd has the following line in it:
> 
> mailman:x:126:508::/apps/mailman:/usr/local/bin/tcsh
> 
> The user and group have been created as per the
> instructions.  I'm thinking
> that it's giving me this error message, but not
> because of the user issue,
> but because of something else.
> 
> Does anybody have any idea what this could be?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Derf
> 
>
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Sep 18 06:25:35 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 18 Sep 2002 00:25:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Abti-virus protection with mailMan
In-Reply-To: <015201c25d2e$ca7a0bb0$1a4dd73f@CaseyGateway>
References: <015201c25d2e$ca7a0bb0$1a4dd73f@CaseyGateway>
Message-ID: <1032323135.1757.47.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Mailscanner. 

Also some folks would simply dump most MIME attachements (this is quite
easy to do in the Beta version).

On Sun, 2002-09-15 at 23:11, Casey Hughes wrote:
> What can be done to protect Lists from virus'?
> 
> Casey Hughes
> KMunity
> casey at kmunity.net





From raquel at thericehouse.net  Wed Sep 18 07:06:34 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:06:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I add subscribers?
In-Reply-To: <019d01c25e91$7c34d020$a61dd080@DOM1112458>
References: <019d01c25e91$7c34d020$a61dd080@DOM1112458>
Message-ID: <20020917220634.1635e272.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:30:46 -0700
"Polly Olsen" <polly at u.washington.edu> wrote:

> I have been reading the information for the new Mailman.  I have
> not been able to locate how to add people to my list!  I have a
> list but can't figure out how to create my list.  Could you please
> guide me.
>   List name:  nacoe-doctors
> 
> Thanks,
> Polly Olsen
> Program Coordinator 
> Native American Center of Excellence
> Office Multicultural Affairs
> Box 357430, T-545A Health Science Center
> Seattle WA, 98195-7430
> 206-616-3043
> 

Polly,

To create a new list you need to use the "newlist" command.  Go to
your mailman directory and issue the command "bin/newlist --help". 
It will return instructions for creating a list.

You'll need to have root access to edit the /etc/mail/access file
and run "newaliases"

You can add subscribers by the administrators interface.  Whether
your version supports the "add_members" commands depends upon the
version you're using.

What version are you using?

What kind of access do you have to the server?

--
Raquel
============================================================
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things that are in line with your principles and can bear the full
light of day. The content of your character is your choice. Day by
day, what you choose, what you think, and what you do is who you
become. Your integrity is your destiny ... it is the light that
guides your way.
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From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Wed Sep 18 07:56:33 2002
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:56:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated?
References: <001301c25ea1$58350310$1c01a8c0@voda> <20020918025718.GA22096@hq.newdream.net>
Message-ID: <3D881591.FF33CA58@whidbey.com>

Au contraire! Every version of Mailman I've used (back to 2.0.4, now on 2.0.12+)
has handled bounced message with aplomb. Check out:

     http://<your.server.here>/mailman/admin/<listname>/bounce

for the options.

Van



Will Yardley wrote:

> Angel Gabriel wrote:
>
> > I'd like to know how bouncing mail is treated, is it removed from the list?
> > Will I be notified of each bouncing address?? How long before it's taken off
> > the list? What about people who use web mail, can mailman tell the
> > difference between an error because of a full mailbox, and an error because
> > of a non existent user?
>
> The list admin will receive the bounce message(s)...
>
> The current stable version of Mailman doesn't support any sort of
> automatic bounce handling; I'm not sure if future versions will.
>
> --
> Will Yardley
> input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >
>
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From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Sep 18 09:18:10 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:18:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated? 
In-Reply-To: Message from william+mm@hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) 
   of "Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:57:19 PDT." <20020918025718.GA22096@hq.newdream.net> 
References: <001301c25ea1$58350310$1c01a8c0@voda>  <20020918025718.GA22096@hq.newdream.net> 
Message-ID: <8364.1032333490@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:57:19 -0700 
Will Yardley <william+mm at hq.newdream.net> wrote:

> The list admin will receive the bounce message(s)...

False.  The admin will receive copies of bounce messages that Mailman
was unable to reliably process.

> The current stable version of Mailman doesn't support any sort of
> automatic bounce handling; ...

False.  Mailman v 2.0 has a poorly documented bounce handling system
that works reasonably (not well, not horribly).  Its largely
unconfigurable beyond what action to take on bouncers (nomail,
unsubscribe, etc).  

> ... I'm not sure if future versions will.

v2.1 Improves on this situation significantly -- not to the level of
full VERP, but close.

-- 
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---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Wed Sep 18 09:47:18 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:47:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated?
In-Reply-To: <8364.1032333490@kanga.nu> <3D881591.FF33CA58@whidbey.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20020917203546.03ebf1b0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
References: <001301c25ea1$58350310$1c01a8c0@voda> <20020918025718.GA22096@hq.newdream.net> <8364.1032333490@kanga.nu> <001301c25ea1$58350310$1c01a8c0@voda> <20020918025718.GA22096@hq.newdream.net> <3D881591.FF33CA58@whidbey.com> <001301c25ea1$58350310$1c01a8c0@voda> <001301c25ea1$58350310$1c01a8c0@voda> <5.0.0.25.2.20020917203546.03ebf1b0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
Message-ID: <20020918074718.GD9900@hq.newdream.net>

JC Dill wrote:
> On 07:57 PM 9/17/02, Will Yardley wrote:

>> The list admin will receive the bounce message(s)...

>> The current stable version of Mailman doesn't support any sort of
>> automatic bounce handling; I'm not sure if future versions will.

> I'm managing a list running under 2.0.13 which has automatic bounce 
> handling (found at the administrative website at 
> domain-name/mailman/admin/listname/bounces) with the following settings:

G. Armour Van Horn wrote:

> Au contraire! Every version of Mailman I've used (back to 2.0.4, now on 2.0.12+)
> has handled bounced message with aplomb. Check out:
> 
>      http://<your.server.here>/mailman/admin/<listname>/bounce

J C Lawrence wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:57:19 -0700 
> Will Yardley <william+mm at hq.newdream.net> wrote:
> 
>> The list admin will receive the bounce message(s)...
 
> False.  The admin will receive copies of bounce messages that Mailman
> was unable to reliably process.

> > The current stable version of Mailman doesn't support any sort of
> > automatic bounce handling; ...
> 
> False.  Mailman v 2.0 has a poorly documented bounce handling system
> that works reasonably (not well, not horribly).  Its largely
> unconfigurable beyond what action to take on bouncers (nomail,
> unsubscribe, etc).  

Ok, ok. I stand 100% corrected.
It's been a while since I've delved into the "bounce" menu, and since I
do receive bounce messages occasionally (apparently the ones Mailman
can't process) I figured that Mailman didn't currently do this.

Sorry for spreading inaccurate information...

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From camel at lrllamas.com  Wed Sep 18 13:04:44 2002
From: camel at lrllamas.com (Jay S Curtis)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:04:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mime stripping in 2.1b3 (more..)
In-Reply-To: <3D877033.AA33364D@whidbey.com>
References: <4DE9B9E1-C81E-11D6-B0F1-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> <200209170646.48460.camel@lrllamas.com> <3D877033.AA33364D@whidbey.com>
Message-ID: <200209180704.44990.camel@lrllamas.com>

Indeed he does. Good time for "selfish begging for features"....

Oh, Barry.... We need a "list stats" page that displays the current list 
performance/tasks completed - like pflogsumm.pl for postfix. 

In short:
		daily, weekly, monthly, yearly, inception
Received:
Sent:
Bounced:
errors:
Held:
Rejected:
smtp:
smtperrors:

stat on qrunner
stat on "files in queue"

Just so we can quickly pop up a page that shows the current "status" of the 
list operation - and help spot and deal with problems promptly.

TIA!!

JSC
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 02:10 pm, you wrote:
> Makes me suspect that the dude actually pays attention to what is said in
> here!
>
> Jay S Curtis wrote:
> > Yupper... That just flipped on the "Barry's a Hero !!" light....
> > ;-)
> >
> > On Monday 16 September 2002 08:50 pm, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> > > MM2.1b4 will have a whitelist (pass_mime_types) for MIME types in
> > > addition to the blacklist (filter_mime_types) that's in MM2.1b3.
> > >
> > > -Barry
> >
> > --

-- 
Medical Fact: Realistic expectation can provide complete relief
from frequent disappointment.

Jay S. Curtis





From barry at python.org  Wed Sep 18 14:02:34 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:02:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Accidental deletion of archives (recreate archive "structure"?)
References: <007701c25e9d$cc523050$8405a8c0@bogus.net>
Message-ID: <15752.27482.261748.229615@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "TH" == Tor Houghton <th at bogus.net> writes:

    TH> I've looked through this list's archives (though there was no
    TH> search facility I could find, so I may have missed any posts
    TH> relating to my query), and I decided to subscribe and post my
    TH> problem here.

    TH> Basically, I boo-boo'ed and managed to delete all the archives
    TH> (they were soft linked from another location).

    TH> How can I tell Mailman to recreate the structure, so that I
    TH> don't get all the python error messages?

    TH> (Mail to the lists did not get through until I disabled
    TH> archiving.)

As long as you still have the .mbox file, you can recreate the
Pipermail archive by running bin/arch.

-Barry



From barry at python.org  Wed Sep 18 14:04:00 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:04:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Solaris install problem
References: <20020915091139.B13452@sonic.net>
	<20020918042958.72641.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <15752.27568.845218.228864@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "DS" == David Sammons <sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx> writes:

    DS>   You have a module "pwd" in python2.../Modules/Setup
    DS> which it?s commented, just uncomment that and
    DS> re-compile python and if it?s necesary MM too...

But the odd this is that with Python 2.2.1, it should auto-detect and
automatically build the pwd module, without hacking Setup.  If id
doesn't do that, then there's a problem with the Python build process,
but I didn't see that when I built it on SourceForge's compile farm.

-Barry



From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Tue Sep 17 23:32:54 2002
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:32:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big headers
References: <NGBBKMCJFJOOJIELKIMDOEOCCIAA.flavio@gral.com.br>
Message-ID: <3D879F86.218C45BF@whidbey.com>

So far, I've dealt with this entirely by getting my server whitelisted
with the ISPs that are doing that. I believe that there is a setting for
the number sent in a batch, but to go from 500 (default, I think) to 1
would be an excruciating hit to your performance. I believe all of the
discussion-list type servers (Mailman, listserv, Mercury, Majordomo, et
al) use the same mechanism, so the ISPs that are using this technique
for stopping spam will have to address legitimate list servers.

Van

Flavio wrote:

>  Dear ListMy mailman mail head have many users in it. Some ISP don?t
> accept my messages. How can I solve it (one message to each
> user)ThanksFl?vio

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From isak at snerpa.is  Wed Sep 18 14:16:39 2002
From: isak at snerpa.is (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=CDsak_Ben?=)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:16:39 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] still having problems with smrsh
Message-ID: <20020918121639.H31178@snerpa.bofh.is>

Hi there.

I ran strings on /usr/sbin/smrsh and found it it's looking in /usr/adm/sm.bin/
so i put symlinks in there pointing to the wrapper....but it did not work...i 
even tried to copy the wrapper itself into the directory...

this is my error.

----
Sep 18 12:07:38 gola smrsh: uid 25: attempt to use wrapper.post.testlisti
Sep 18 12:07:38 gola sendmail[675]: g8IC7c6h000674: to=|/usr/adm/sm.bin/wrapper post testlisti, ctladdr=<testlisti at snerpa.is> (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30794, dsn=5.0.0, stat=Service unavailable
----

Im using sendmail 8.12.5 compiled from source and mailman 2.0.13

--
?sak Ben.





From th+mailman at bogus.net  Wed Sep 18 14:16:46 2002
From: th+mailman at bogus.net (Tor Houghton)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:16:46 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Accidental deletion of archives (recreate archive "structure"?)
References: <007701c25e9d$cc523050$8405a8c0@bogus.net> <15752.27482.261748.229615@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <016201c25f0d$444ee570$8405a8c0@bogus.net>

> As long as you still have the .mbox file, you can recreate the
> Pipermail archive by running bin/arch.
> 

no; all i have is the list configurations, and member database.

would i need to recreate the lists from scratch?

tor




From beittenc at rose-hulman.edu  Wed Sep 18 16:12:58 2002
From: beittenc at rose-hulman.edu (Nathan Beittenmiller)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:12:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking Unsubscribe?
In-Reply-To: <016201c25f0d$444ee570$8405a8c0@bogus.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c25f1d$866f3300$7f007089@ms.rosehulman.edu>

Greetings all!

I am currently looking into replacing Majordomo with Mailman for our
enterprise mailing list solutions.  So far, I can duplicate everything
I've customized on Majordomo with default settings in Mailman except the
ability to block unsubscribing from a list.  We have a number of
required campus mailing lists that our users must remain subscribed to
at all times.  Majordomo allows us to restrict unsubscribing to
moderator-approved, but I can't seem to find something similar in
Mailman.  While this isn't critical (or really a show-stopper), I wanted
to see if I'm just missing something.  Thanks in advance and sorry if
this is a duplicate post; the search feature was down when I checked
yesterday.

--------------------
Nathan Beittenmiller
Systems Administrator




From mhanze at mpawest.net  Wed Sep 18 16:38:14 2002
From: mhanze at mpawest.net (Mark Hanze)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:38:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Veiwing Archives Problem
In-Reply-To: <200209171549.g8HFnIe14080@taranto.com>
Message-ID: <001501c25f21$0544ce30$2a02020a@marksdell>

On the home page to Mailman, there is a link:

"To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the
Schoolhouse-news Archives."

When I click on the link I get:

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /pipermail/schoolhouse-news/ on this
server.


------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------

Apache/1.3.26 Server at list.ourschool.k12.ny.us Port 80


Everything else works great :)




From raquel at thericehouse.net  Wed Sep 18 17:27:15 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:27:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking Unsubscribe?
In-Reply-To: <000c01c25f1d$866f3300$7f007089@ms.rosehulman.edu>
References: <016201c25f0d$444ee570$8405a8c0@bogus.net>
	<000c01c25f1d$866f3300$7f007089@ms.rosehulman.edu>
Message-ID: <20020918082715.4cb08ea1.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:12:58 -0500
"Nathan Beittenmiller" <beittenc at rose-hulman.edu> wrote:

> Greetings all!
> 
> I am currently looking into replacing Majordomo with Mailman for
> our enterprise mailing list solutions.  So far, I can duplicate
> everything I've customized on Majordomo with default settings in
> Mailman except the ability to block unsubscribing from a list.  We
> have a number of required campus mailing lists that our users must
> remain subscribed to at all times.  Majordomo allows us to
> restrict unsubscribing to moderator-approved, but I can't seem to
> find something similar in Mailman.  While this isn't critical (or
> really a show-stopper), I wanted to see if I'm just missing
> something.  Thanks in advance and sorry if this is a duplicate
> post; the search feature was down when I checked yesterday.
> 
> --------------------
> Nathan Beittenmiller

I think that the closest you can come is to have the server notify
you when someone unsubscribes.  At that point a letter can be sent
saying it is required that they be subscribed.  I would think though
that if someone were asking to be unsubscribed, and they were told
they were required to be subscribed, they probably aren't reading
the mail anyway.  I know that I wouldn't.  I'd find some way to
filter it out.

--
Raquel
============================================================
Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could;
some blunders and absurdities have crept in; forget them as soon as
you can. Tomorrow is a new day; you shall begin it serenely and with
too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense.
  --Ralph Waldo Emerson




From beittenc at rose-hulman.edu  Wed Sep 18 17:32:38 2002
From: beittenc at rose-hulman.edu (Nathan Beittenmiller)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:32:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking Unsubscribe?
In-Reply-To: <20020918082715.4cb08ea1.raquel@thericehouse.net>
Message-ID: <000401c25f28$a2183060$7f007089@ms.rosehulman.edu>

About five minutes after I sent this, I came up with a solution that
somewhat works.  If I add users at the command line nightly (which is
how I build the lists with Majordomo), they need a password to
unsubscribe or change their settings.  For most users, that would be a
deterrent right there.  Unfortunately, the determined ones can still
request the password be mailed to them (and then they receive what I'm
hoping is a random password).  Using that, they can unsubscribe, but
this is more work than filtering the mail, as you suggested that many do
anyway.  So it's not optimal, but it is acceptable.  Thanks.

--------------------
Nathan Beittenmiller
Systems Administrator

-----Original Message-----

I think that the closest you can come is to have the server notify
you when someone unsubscribes.  At that point a letter can be sent
saying it is required that they be subscribed.  I would think though
that if someone were asking to be unsubscribed, and they were told
they were required to be subscribed, they probably aren't reading
the mail anyway.  I know that I wouldn't.  I'd find some way to
filter it out.

--
Raquel
============================================================
Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could;
some blunders and absurdities have crept in; forget them as soon as
you can. Tomorrow is a new day; you shall begin it serenely and with
too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense.
  --Ralph Waldo Emerson





From tomryan at camlaw.rutgers.edu  Wed Sep 18 17:33:39 2002
From: tomryan at camlaw.rutgers.edu (Tom Ryan)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:33:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking Unsubscribe?
In-Reply-To: <000401c25f28$a2183060$7f007089@ms.rosehulman.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209181133050.24082-100000@camlaw.rutgers.edu>

The latest betas of mailman can allow the admin to block unsubscribe 
requests. However, you can't block the users setting "nomail", etc.

Seems we're almost there, just not quite :)

tom

On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Nathan Beittenmiller wrote:

> About five minutes after I sent this, I came up with a solution that
> somewhat works.  If I add users at the command line nightly (which is
> how I build the lists with Majordomo), they need a password to
> unsubscribe or change their settings.  For most users, that would be a
> deterrent right there.  Unfortunately, the determined ones can still
> request the password be mailed to them (and then they receive what I'm
> hoping is a random password).  Using that, they can unsubscribe, but
> this is more work than filtering the mail, as you suggested that many do
> anyway.  So it's not optimal, but it is acceptable.  Thanks.
> 
> --------------------
> Nathan Beittenmiller
> Systems Administrator
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> I think that the closest you can come is to have the server notify
> you when someone unsubscribes.  At that point a letter can be sent
> saying it is required that they be subscribed.  I would think though
> that if someone were asking to be unsubscribed, and they were told
> they were required to be subscribed, they probably aren't reading
> the mail anyway.  I know that I wouldn't.  I'd find some way to
> filter it out.
> 
> --
> Raquel
> ============================================================
> Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could;
> some blunders and absurdities have crept in; forget them as soon as
> you can. Tomorrow is a new day; you shall begin it serenely and with
> too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense.
>   --Ralph Waldo Emerson
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________
Tom Ryan                                            Voice: 856-225-6361
Consulting System Administrator                       Fax: 856-969-7900
Rutgers School of Law - Camden




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Sep 18 18:15:45 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:15:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big headers 
In-Reply-To: Message from "G. Armour Van Horn" <vanhorn@whidbey.com> 
   of "Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:32:54 PDT." <3D879F86.218C45BF@whidbey.com> 
References: <NGBBKMCJFJOOJIELKIMDOEOCCIAA.flavio@gral.com.br>  <3D879F86.218C45BF@whidbey.com> 
Message-ID: <15657.1032365745@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:32:54 -0700 
G Armour Van Horn <vanhorn at whidbey.com> wrote:

> I believe that there is a setting for the number sent in a batch, but
> to go from 500 (default, I think) to 1 would be an excruciating hit to
> your performance.

See the FAQ.

The sweet spot is typically in the range of 5 - 10.

> I believe all of the discussion-list type servers (Mailman, listserv,
> Mercury, Majordomo, et al) use the same mechanism, so the ISPs that
> are using this technique for stopping spam will have to address
> legitimate list servers.

Sadly, nope.  

SMTP is an unreliable transport.  ISPs have no especial obligation to
deliver received mail to their addressed users (no matter that those
users and we may feel differently).  Further, the ISPs won't reveal the
filter controls they are using as they don't want the SPAMmers working
they're way around them (they also change them regularly as the SPAMmers
empirically deduce the values).

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From jas at nysia.org  Wed Sep 18 19:09:40 2002
From: jas at nysia.org (Jaswinder S. Hayre)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:09:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] some users not getting posted email message
Message-ID: <6547A5AF6882D6118FC100065B8872071B5A@MSP101>

Thanks for responding, I am feeling a bit clueless as to where things are
going wrong, or which application is dropping the ball.  I am running qmail,
and Mailman 2.0.12.  I do not have any spam filtering in place (we have
found, that a human being is the best filter).

The members that do not receive the mails, are not in any of the Mailman log
files; not the bounce files, nothing in the error file.  I think Mailman
does not explicitly log a list of all the email addresses that it sent the
post to, or at least I haven't been able to find that.  Am I correct in
thinking that?

The MTA log files did not log any delivery attempts to these email addresses
either.  

This setup is running on a FreeBSD system.

Jas


-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 4:12 PM
To: Jaswinder S. Hayre
Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org'
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] some users not getting posted email message

What do the logs say (both MTA and Mailman)?

What happens if you are at the command line as mailman and you send mail
to a local user:
  echo Test | mail -s "test of local mail delivery" tom at nysia.org

Do you have any spam filtering in place on the server?

You should tell us your MTA and the version of Mailman that you are
using.

On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 14:36, Jaswinder S. Hayre wrote:
> Guys,
> 
> For some reason some members don't get the posted email.  Our list server
is
> lists.nysia.org, but anyone that is registered with a *@nysia.org email
> address does not get any emails from the list server.  There might be more
> people, but I haven't identified (no one has complained that they aren't
> getting it).  Any clue about what might be happening.  I believe this only
> happens for one of the lists.  The list has about 5000 members.
> 
> Jas
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From alex at phred.org  Wed Sep 18 19:29:00 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:29:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big headers 
In-Reply-To: <15657.1032365745@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <20020918093340.S97522-100000@phred.org>

On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, J C Lawrence wrote:
> > I believe all of the discussion-list type servers (Mailman, listserv,
> > Mercury, Majordomo, et al) use the same mechanism, so the ISPs that
> > are using this technique for stopping spam will have to address
> > legitimate list servers.
>
> Sadly, nope.
>
> SMTP is an unreliable transport.  ISPs have no especial obligation to
> deliver received mail to their addressed users (no matter that those
> users and we may feel differently).

This is not accurate.  SMTP is a reliable transport.  It either deliveres
the message or deliveres an NDR.

>From RFC2821:

	When the receiver-SMTP accepts a piece of mail (by sending a "250
	OK" message in response to DATA), it is accepting responsibility
	for delivering or relaying the message.  It must take this
	responsibility seriously.  It MUST NOT lose the message for
	frivolous reasons, such as because the host later crashes or
	because of a predictable resource shortage.

	If there is a delivery failure after acceptance of a message, the
	receiver-SMTP MUST formulate and mail a notification message.

MTAs which don't accept this level of reliability aren't SMTP
transports.  Ones which bit bucket mail which has too many
recipients are also not SMTP compliant.

alex




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Wed Sep 18 19:35:18 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:35:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Veiwing Archives Problem
In-Reply-To: <001501c25f21$0544ce30$2a02020a@marksdell>
References: <001501c25f21$0544ce30$2a02020a@marksdell>
Message-ID: <200209181735.g8IHZIZw027675@old-callisto.ftel.co.uk>

If you ran $prefix/bin/check_perms OK then look at youf httpd.conf file. 

It may be that a -FollowSymLinks Option is being applied  that is stopping 
the symbolic link in $prefix/archives/public directory to the public list's 
archive being followed. This is mentioned in the MM INSTALL document.

The default permission for the server root often includes -FollowSymLinks and 
you want to open this up for your $prefix/archives/publicdirectory.

For instance my httpd.conf contains: 

    Alias /pipermail/ /mailman/run/archives/public/

    <Directory /mailman/run/archives/public/>
        Options FollowSymLinks
        AllowOverride None
    </Directory>


On Wednesday 18 September 2002 15:38, Mark Hanze wrote:
> On the home page to Mailman, there is a link:
>
> "To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the
> Schoolhouse-news Archives."
>
> When I click on the link I get:
>
> Forbidden
> You don't have permission to access /pipermail/schoolhouse-news/ on this
> server.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------
>
> Apache/1.3.26 Server at list.ourschool.k12.ny.us Port 80
>
>
> Everything else works great :)
>



From mariagarciasuarez at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 18 19:45:30 2002
From: mariagarciasuarez at yahoo.com (Maria Garcia Suarez)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:45:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mails locked, "Could not acquire qrunner lock"
Message-ID: <3D88BBBA.8706E0F9@yahoo.com>

Hi there!

I am a Debian Woody admin who some days ago installed (via Debian's
apt-get) Mailman 2.0.11 and yesterday, when I tried to use it I suffered
of locked mails. Searching on the web I found this page: 

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.019.htp

where someone had the same problem. But the solution didn't work for me.

I've tried all the proposed solutions but system keeps on locking my
mails. I am running Postfix and mails delivered (from outside my
network) to "normal" users arrive, but those sent to Mailman's mailing
lists don't arrive :-(

As adviced in the page above I've run strace to see what's going on but
I don't understand the output, here I attach it. Could some help me to
"decrypt" it? ;-)  Thx!

I also include /var/logs/mailman/post, smtp and smtp-failure.

If anyone could help me I would really appreciate it. Thx!

Strace output (qrunner):

---CUT---

399   connect(4, {sin_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(25),
sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}}, 16) = -1 ETIMEDOUT (Connection timed
out)
399   close(4)                          = 0
399   umask(02)                         = 022
399   open("/var/lib/mailman/logs/smtp",
O_RDWR|O_APPEND|O_CREAT|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 4
399   fstat64(4, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=5928, ...}) = 0
399   old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40278000
399   fstat64(4, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=5928, ...}) = 0
399   _llseek(4, 4096, [4096], SEEK_SET) = 0
399   read(4, "s refused: (110, \'Connection tim"..., 1832) = 1832
399   umask(022)                        = 02
399   gettimeofday({1032179472, 57237}, NULL) = 0
399   getpid()                          = 399
399   write(4, "Sep 16 14:31:12 2002 (399) All r"..., 81) = 81
399   gettimeofday({1032179472, 60144}, NULL) = 0
399   umask(02)                         = 022
399   open("/var/lib/mailman/locks/arriba.lock.best.399",
O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 5
399   fstat64(5, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
399   old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40279000
399   write(5, "/var/lib/mailman/locks/arriba.lo"..., 43) = 43
399   close(5)                          = 0
399   munmap(0x40279000, 4096)          = 0
399   umask(022)                        = 02
399   gettimeofday({1032179472, 65766}, NULL) = 0
399   utime("/var/lib/mailman/locks/arriba.lock.best.399",
[2002/09/16-19:31:12, 2002/09/16-19:31:12]) = 0
399   link("/var/lib/mailman/locks/arriba.lock.best.399",
"/var/lib/mailman/locks/arriba.lock") = 0
399   gettimeofday({1032179472, 69083}, NULL) = 0
399   utime("/var/lib/mailman/locks/arriba.lock.best.399",
[2002/09/16-19:31:12, 2002/09/16-19:31:12]) = 0
399   stat64("/var/lib/mailman/lists/arriba/config.db",
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0660, st_size=2969, ...}) = 0
399   open("/var/lib/mailman/lists/arriba/config.db",
O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 5
399   fstat64(5, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0660, st_size=2969, ...}) = 0
399   old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40279000
399   read(5, "{s\23\0\0\0member_posting_onlyi\0\0\0\0s\35"..., 4096) =
2969
399   close(5)                          = 0
399   munmap(0x40279000, 4096)          = 0
399   gettimeofday({1032179472, 83978}, NULL) = 0
399   getpid()                          = 399
399   write(4, "Sep 16 14:31:12 2002 (399) smtp "..., 75) = 75
399   umask(02)                         = 022
399   open("/var/lib/mailman/logs/post",
O_RDWR|O_APPEND|O_CREAT|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 5
399   fstat64(5, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=3656, ...}) = 0
399   old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40279000
399   fstat64(5, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=3656, ...}) = 0
399   _llseek(5, 0, [0], SEEK_SET)      = 0
399   read(5, "Sep 14 21:56:35 2002 (583) post "..., 3656) = 3656
399   umask(022)                        = 02
399   gettimeofday({1032179472, 109678}, NULL) = 0
399   getpid()                          = 399
399   write(5, "Sep 16 14:31:12 2002 (399) post "..., 96) = 96
399   umask(02)                         = 022
399   open("/var/lib/mailman/logs/smtp-failure",
O_RDWR|O_APPEND|O_CREAT|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 6
399   fstat64(6, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=2325, ...}) = 0
399   old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x402c0000
399   fstat64(6, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=2325, ...}) = 0
399   _llseek(6, 0, [0], SEEK_SET)      = 0
399   read(6, "Sep 14 21:56:35 2002 (583) -1 da"..., 2325) = 2325
399   umask(022)                        = 02
399   gettimeofday({1032179472, 117418}, NULL) = 0
399   getpid()                          = 399
399   write(6, "Sep 16 14:31:12 2002 (399) -1 da"..., 66) = 66
399   gettimeofday({1032179472, 120052}, NULL) = 0
399  
open("/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/57f1f601963408574538fbbed4f0f3de29b2fed4.db",
O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 7
399   fstat64(7, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=341, ...}) = 0
399   old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x402c1000
399   read(7, "{s\20\0\0\0last_recip_counti\1\0\0\0s\r\0\0\0"..., 4096)
= 341
399   close(7)                          = 0
399   munmap(0x402c1000, 4096)          = 0
399   umask(0)                          = 022
399  
open("/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/57f1f601963408574538fbbed4f0f3de29b2fed4.db",
O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE, 0664) = 7
399   fcntl64(7, F_GETFL)               = 0x8001 (flags
O_WRONLY|O_LARGEFILE)
399   fstat64(7, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
399   old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x402c1000
399   _llseek(7, 0, [0], SEEK_CUR)      = 0
399   umask(022)                        = 0
399   write(7, "{s\20\0\0\0last_recip_counti\1\0\0\0s\r\0\0\0"..., 341)
= 341
399   close(7)                          = 0
399   munmap(0x402c1000, 4096)          = 0
399   gettimeofday({1032179472, 134624}, NULL) = 0
399   utime("/var/lib/mailman/locks/arriba.lock.best.399",
[2002/09/16-19:31:12, 2002/09/16-19:31:12]) = 0
399   stat64("/var/lib/mailman/locks/arriba.lock",
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=43, ...}) = 0
399   open("/var/lib/mailman/locks/arriba.lock", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) =
7
399   fstat64(7, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=43, ...}) = 0
399   _llseek(7, 0, [0], SEEK_CUR)      = 0
399   fstat64(7, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=43, ...}) = 0
399   old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x402c1000
399   _llseek(7, 0, [0], SEEK_CUR)      = 0
399   read(7, "/var/lib/mailman/locks/arriba.lo"..., 4096) = 43
399   read(7, "", 4096)                 = 0
399   close(7)                          = 0
399   munmap(0x402c1000, 4096)          = 0
399   umask(07)                         = 022
399   uname({sys="Linux", node="best", ...}) = 0
399   getpid()                          = 399
399   open("/var/lib/mailman/lists/arriba/config.db.tmp.best.399",
O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 7
399   fstat64(7, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0660, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
399   old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x402c1000
399   write(7, "{s\23\0\0\0member_posting_onlyi\0\0\0\0s\35"..., 2969) =
2969
399   close(7)                          = 0
399   munmap(0x402c1000, 4096)          = 0
399   unlink("/var/lib/mailman/lists/arriba/config.db.last") = 0
399   link("/var/lib/mailman/lists/arriba/config.db",
"/var/lib/mailman/lists/arriba/config.db.last") = 0
399   rename("/var/lib/mailman/lists/arriba/config.db.tmp.best.399",
"/var/lib/mailman/lists/arriba/config.db") = 0
399   umask(022)                        = 07
399   symlink("/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/arriba",
"/var/lib/mailman/archives/public/arriba") = -1 EEXIST (File exists)
399   symlink("/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/arriba.mbox",
"/var/lib/mailman/archives/public/arriba.mbox") = -1 EEXIST (File
exists)
399   gettimeofday({1032179472, 176642}, NULL) = 0
399   utime("/var/lib/mailman/locks/arriba.lock.best.399",
[2002/09/16-19:31:12, 2002/09/16-19:31:12]) = 0
399   stat64("/var/lib/mailman/locks/arriba.lock",
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=43, ...}) = 0
399   open("/var/lib/mailman/locks/arriba.lock", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) =
7
399   fstat64(7, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=43, ...}) = 0
399   _llseek(7, 0, [0], SEEK_CUR)      = 0
399   fstat64(7, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=43, ...}) = 0
399   old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x402c1000
399   _llseek(7, 0, [0], SEEK_CUR)      = 0
399   read(7, "/var/lib/mailman/locks/arriba.lo"..., 4096) = 43
399   read(7, "", 4096)                 = 0
399   close(7)                          = 0
399   munmap(0x402c1000, 4096)          = 0
399   unlink("/var/lib/mailman/locks/arriba.lock") = 0
399   unlink("/var/lib/mailman/locks/arriba.lock.best.399") = 0
399   gettimeofday({1032179472, 186683}, NULL) = 0
399   utime("/var/lib/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.best.399",
[2002/09/17-00:31:12, 2002/09/17-00:31:12]) = 0
399   stat64("/var/lib/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock",
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=44, ...}) = 0
399   open("/var/lib/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE)
= 7
399   fstat64(7, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=44, ...}) = 0
399   _llseek(7, 0, [0], SEEK_CUR)      = 0
399   fstat64(7, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=44, ...}) = 0
399   old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x402c1000
399   _llseek(7, 0, [0], SEEK_CUR)      = 0
399   read(7, "/var/lib/mailman/locks/qrunner.l"..., 4096) = 44
399   read(7, "", 4096)                 = 0
399   close(7)                          = 0
399   munmap(0x402c1000, 4096)          = 0
399   unlink("/var/lib/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock") = 0
399   unlink("/var/lib/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.best.399") = 0
399   rt_sigaction(SIGINT, NULL, {0x4001fe80, [], 0x4000000}, 8) = 0
399   rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {SIG_DFL}, NULL, 8) = 0
399   close(3)                          = 0
399   munmap(0x40277000, 4096)          = 0
399   gettimeofday({1032179472, 199566}, NULL) = 0
399   utime("/var/lib/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.best.399",
[2002/09/17-00:31:12, 2002/09/17-00:31:12]) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
399   stat64("/var/lib/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock", 0xbffff59c) = -1
ENOENT (No such file or directory)
399   unlink("/var/lib/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.best.399") = -1 ENOENT
(No such file or directory)
399   close(4)                          = 0
399   munmap(0x40278000, 4096)          = 0
399   close(5)                          = 0
399   munmap(0x40279000, 4096)          = 0
399   close(6)                          = 0
399   munmap(0x402c0000, 4096)          = 0
399   _exit(0)                          = ?

---CUT---

Post file:

---CUT---

Sep 18 18:09:16 2002 (337) post to arriba from
mailman-owner at best.upc.es, size=1302, 1 failures
Sep 18 18:13:12 2002 (359) post to arriba from
mailman-owner at best.upc.es, size=1302, 1 failures
Sep 18 19:53:26 2002 (652) post to arriba from
mailman-owner at best.upc.es, size=1302, 1 failures
Sep 18 19:59:16 2002 (330) post to arriba from
mailman-owner at best.upc.es, size=1302, 1 failures
Sep 18 20:03:12 2002 (367) post to arriba from
mailman-owner at best.upc.es, size=1302, 1 failures

---CUT---

smtp file:

---CUT---

Sep 18 18:09:16 2002 (337) All recipients refused: (110, 'Connection
timed out')
Sep 18 18:09:16 2002 (337) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 189.610
seconds
Sep 18 18:13:12 2002 (359) All recipients refused: (110, 'Connection
timed out')
Sep 18 18:13:12 2002 (359) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 189.498
seconds
Sep 18 19:53:26 2002 (652) All recipients refused: (110, 'Connection
timed out')
Sep 18 19:53:26 2002 (652) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 189.030
seconds
Sep 18 19:59:16 2002 (330) All recipients refused: (110, 'Connection
timed out')
Sep 18 19:59:16 2002 (330) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 189.670
seconds
Sep 18 20:03:12 2002 (367) All recipients refused: (110, 'Connection
timed out')
Sep 18 20:03:12 2002 (367) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 189.677
seconds

---CUT---

smtp-failure:

---CUT---

Sep 18 18:09:17 2002 (337) -1 maria at best.upc.es (ignore)
Sep 18 18:13:12 2002 (359) -1 maria at best.upc.es (ignore)
Sep 18 19:53:26 2002 (652) -1 maria at best.upc.es (ignore)
Sep 18 19:59:16 2002 (330) -1 maria at best.upc.es (ignore)
Sep 18 20:03:12 2002 (367) -1 maria at best.upc.es (ignore)

---CUT---

Thx for your help and sorry for disturbing and sending such a long
mail....

Kisses,

Maria G Suarez

PS: I sent a similar mail some days ago but I didn't get it back, I
suppose it didn't reach the list.



From davin at pacifier.com  Wed Sep 18 19:59:06 2002
From: davin at pacifier.com (Davin Dahlgren)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:59:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable archives
Message-ID: <01a701c25f3d$1842a5e0$3201a8c0@DAVIN>

Are the searchable archives for the mailman-users list a standard
feature of Mailman, or is there an add-on that needs to be installed?
Any special configuration that is necessary? Is the archive display
format configurable?

Thanks,
Davin





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Sep 18 20:16:51 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 18 Sep 2002 14:16:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] some users not getting posted email message
In-Reply-To: <6547A5AF6882D6118FC100065B8872071B5A@MSP101>
References: <6547A5AF6882D6118FC100065B8872071B5A@MSP101>
Message-ID: <1032373012.1633.23.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

You should go ahead and upgrade to the latest version of Mailman
(v2.0.13).  

Also, you can edit the file ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and modify the
value for: SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500 and change it to 1
  SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1

This will leave a trace for each individual email on the list.  You only
need to set this to 1 while you are testing (and really it's not
necessary but it does help you trace each individual email).

Next when you send a message, you should look in your qmail log files to
see if every message is making it from Mailman to qmail. If they are all
making it to qmail, then the problem lays outside mailman.

If they don't make it to qmail, then the problem is either in mailman or
in the hand-off from mailman to qmail.

HtH - Jon Carnes

===
On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 13:09, Jaswinder S. Hayre wrote:
> Thanks for responding, I am feeling a bit clueless as to where things are
> going wrong, or which application is dropping the ball.  I am running qmail,
> and Mailman 2.0.12.  I do not have any spam filtering in place (we have
> found, that a human being is the best filter).
> 
> The members that do not receive the mails, are not in any of the Mailman log
> files; not the bounce files, nothing in the error file.  I think Mailman
> does not explicitly log a list of all the email addresses that it sent the
> post to, or at least I haven't been able to find that.  Am I correct in
> thinking that?
> 
> The MTA log files did not log any delivery attempts to these email addresses
> either.  
> 
> This setup is running on a FreeBSD system.
> 
> Jas
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] 
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 4:12 PM
> To: Jaswinder S. Hayre
> Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org'
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] some users not getting posted email message
> 
> What do the logs say (both MTA and Mailman)?
> 
> What happens if you are at the command line as mailman and you send mail
> to a local user:
>   echo Test | mail -s "test of local mail delivery" tom at nysia.org
> 
> Do you have any spam filtering in place on the server?
> 
> You should tell us your MTA and the version of Mailman that you are
> using.
> 
> On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 14:36, Jaswinder S. Hayre wrote:
> > Guys,
> > 
> > For some reason some members don't get the posted email.  Our list server
> is
> > lists.nysia.org, but anyone that is registered with a *@nysia.org email
> > address does not get any emails from the list server.  There might be more
> > people, but I haven't identified (no one has complained that they aren't
> > getting it).  Any clue about what might be happening.  I believe this only
> > happens for one of the lists.  The list has about 5000 members.
> > 
> > Jas
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/





From barry at python.org  Wed Sep 18 20:17:22 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:17:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated? 
References: <001301c25ea1$58350310$1c01a8c0@voda>
	<20020918025718.GA22096@hq.newdream.net>
	<8364.1032333490@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <15752.49970.891801.802819@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "JCL" == J C Lawrence <claw at kanga.nu> writes:

    >> ... I'm not sure if future versions will.

    JCL> v2.1 Improves on this situation significantly -- not to the
    JCL> level of full VERP, but close.

Bounce detection is of course only half the game.  MM2.1 significantly
improves how bounces are handled after they're detected (either by
pattern match or "verp" match).

-Barry



From barry at python.org  Wed Sep 18 20:18:21 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:18:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mime stripping in 2.1b3 (more..)
References: <4DE9B9E1-C81E-11D6-B0F1-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>
	<200209170646.48460.camel@lrllamas.com>
	<3D877033.AA33364D@whidbey.com>
	<200209180704.44990.camel@lrllamas.com>
Message-ID: <15752.50029.405511.837724@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "JSC" == Jay S Curtis <camel at lrllamas.com> writes:

    JSC> Oh, Barry.... We need a "list stats" page that displays the
    JSC> current list performance/tasks completed - like pflogsumm.pl
    JSC> for postfix.

Great idea!  Care to write a patch? :)

-Barry



From barry at python.org  Wed Sep 18 20:20:06 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:20:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Accidental deletion of archives (recreate archive "structure"?)
References: <007701c25e9d$cc523050$8405a8c0@bogus.net>
	<15752.27482.261748.229615@anthem.wooz.org>
	<016201c25f0d$444ee570$8405a8c0@bogus.net>
Message-ID: <15752.50134.595569.699774@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "TH" == Tor Houghton <th+mailman at bogus.net> writes:

    >> As long as you still have the .mbox file, you can recreate the
    >> Pipermail archive by running bin/arch.

    TH> no; all i have is the list configurations, and member
    TH> database.

    TH> would i need to recreate the lists from scratch?

No, but you can't recreate the archives unless you have the raw
message folders.  If you just want to start over, the easiest way to
make sure the infrastructure is set up is to toggle your list's
archives from public to private and back to public again (or vice
versa depending on your archive policy).

-Barry



From barry at python.org  Wed Sep 18 20:22:17 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:22:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking Unsubscribe?
References: <000401c25f28$a2183060$7f007089@ms.rosehulman.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0209181133050.24082-100000@camlaw.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <15752.50265.291769.258297@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "TR" == Tom Ryan <tomryan at camlaw.rutgers.edu> writes:

    TR> The latest betas of mailman can allow the admin to block
    TR> unsubscribe requests. However, you can't block the users
    TR> setting "nomail", etc.

    TR> Seems we're almost there, just not quite :)

I hadn't thought about that, but I've put it on the todo list.

-Barry



From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Wed Sep 18 21:39:03 2002
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:39:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated? 
In-Reply-To: <15752.49970.891801.802819@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <NGBBLKFIDENNFHKFMGAIKENFCDAA.badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk>

Could someone explain to me what VERP is?? lol thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Barry A. Warsaw
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:17 PM
To: J C Lawrence
Cc: Mailman-Users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated?



>>>>> "JCL" == J C Lawrence <claw at kanga.nu> writes:

    >> ... I'm not sure if future versions will.

    JCL> v2.1 Improves on this situation significantly -- not to the
    JCL> level of full VERP, but close.

Bounce detection is of course only half the game.  MM2.1 significantly
improves how bounces are handled after they're detected (either by
pattern match or "verp" match).

-Barry

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From wheakory at isu.edu  Wed Sep 18 21:38:21 2002
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:38:21 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing content before approving message
References: <3D86627B.7B8D8A16@isu.edu> <1032219667.2094.7.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3D88D62D.48158595@isu.edu>


Jon Carnes wrote:

> Do you have root (or mailman command line) access on the box?  If so,
> then you can simply edit the waiting file in the queue.  It's very
> simple and works every time.
>
> Otherwise, there are some older patches - which probably still work -
> that allow you to edit the message via the web interface and then
> approve it.
>
> The problem with the 2.0x series of Mailman is that the message you see
> in the web interface is a partial copy of the message that is actually
> in the queue.  In order to edit via the web-interface you need to load
> the entire message into the web-interface and then on approval, dump out
> the contents of the web-form into the queue (deleting or overwriting the
> current queued up message).
>
> Good Luck - Jon Carnes
>
> On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 19:00, Kory Wheatley wrote:
> > Is there a way when the moderator receive a message, and before he
> > approves it to be sent to the mailing list, to change the content and
> > the from address in the message and then send it to the list with these
> > changes or updates in place.
> >
> > I thought there was a command that you could use  to "Approved:
> > listpassword" to change the content with.
> >
> > There are times that we need to change the body and the from address of
> > the pending message before it can be approved.
> > Please help this is real critical and I would appreciate any
> > information.
> >
> > We are using RED HAT  7.2 with python 1.5.2 and mailman 2.0.13
> >
> > --
> > #########################################
> > Kory Wheatley
> > Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
> > Phone 282-3874
> > #########################################
> > Everything must point to him.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

These older patches that your are referring to, do you know where there at. I
don't really know what to look for in the searchable archives.
--
#########################################
Kory Wheatley
Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
Phone 282-3874
#########################################
Everything must point to him.





From pareilly at tcd.ie  Wed Sep 18 21:52:11 2002
From: pareilly at tcd.ie (Paul Reilly)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:52:11 +0100 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] vhosts?
In-Reply-To: <3D88D62D.48158595@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.43L0.0209182051260.1049-100000@web2.tcd.ie>

Does anyone have a quick howto on how to configure mailman for many
virtual hosts? couldn't see it in the faq...

thanks

Paul




From mailman at tux.org  Wed Sep 18 22:24:02 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:24:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated? 
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLKFIDENNFHKFMGAIKENFCDAA.badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209181615180.15444-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Angel Gabriel wrote:

> Could someone explain to me what VERP is?? lol thanks!

I had to go looking myself after reading the recent e-mails; here is
some of what I found:

  http://cr.yp.to/proto/verp.txt
  http://www.cyberdesk.com/qmail/qmail-queue.html
  http://www.stllinux.org/meeting_notes/1998/0521/verp.html
  http://www.stllinux.org/meeting_notes/1998/0521/bounces.html

(Apparently, VERP is also "Visitor Experience and Resource Protection",
a strategy used by the National Park Service.  But I don't think Mailman
will have anything to do with that ;-)

- Andrew

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From raquel at thericehouse.net  Wed Sep 18 22:25:48 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:25:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated?
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLKFIDENNFHKFMGAIKENFCDAA.badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk>
References: <15752.49970.891801.802819@anthem.wooz.org>
	<NGBBLKFIDENNFHKFMGAIKENFCDAA.badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20020918132548.64bcd60a.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:39:03 +0100
"Angel Gabriel" <badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk> wrote:

> Could someone explain to me what VERP is?? lol thanks!

Variable envelope return paths
http://cr.yp.to/proto/verp.txt

--
Raquel
============================================================
Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick
themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. 
  --Winston Churchill




From mailman at tux.org  Wed Sep 18 22:30:14 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:30:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking Unsubscribe?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209181133050.24082-100000@camlaw.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209181624430.15444-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Tom Ryan wrote:

> The latest betas of mailman can allow the admin to block unsubscribe
> requests. However, you can't block the users setting "nomail", etc.
>
> Seems we're almost there, just not quite :)

Please note however, Nathan, the use of the word "beta" in Tom's reply.
I am sure you have read on the Mailman site that v2.1 is in development,
and explicitly -not- recommended for production mailing list service, and
that good ole' v2.0.x is the current stable version (v2.0.13 is the
latest).  It sounds like you are definitely running a production service,
so I just wanted to emphasize the point, in case it had missed your eye.

HTH,
- Andrew

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From tomryan at camlaw.rutgers.edu  Wed Sep 18 22:31:41 2002
From: tomryan at camlaw.rutgers.edu (Tom Ryan)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:31:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking Unsubscribe?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209181624430.15444-100000@gwyn.tux.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209181630590.20551-100000@camlaw.rutgers.edu>

Sorry, I should have clarified that.. however, doesn't Barry need at least 
*some* people to run the beta under load to help iron out the problems :)

Needless to say, I am one of those persons :)

Tom

On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 mailman at tux.org wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Tom Ryan wrote:
> 
> > The latest betas of mailman can allow the admin to block unsubscribe
> > requests. However, you can't block the users setting "nomail", etc.
> >
> > Seems we're almost there, just not quite :)
> 
> Please note however, Nathan, the use of the word "beta" in Tom's reply.
> I am sure you have read on the Mailman site that v2.1 is in development,
> and explicitly -not- recommended for production mailing list service, and
> that good ole' v2.0.x is the current stable version (v2.0.13 is the
> latest).  It sounds like you are definitely running a production service,
> so I just wanted to emphasize the point, in case it had missed your eye.
> 
> HTH,
> - Andrew
> 
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> 

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Consulting System Administrator                       Fax: 856-969-7900
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From davin at pacifier.com  Wed Sep 18 22:39:26 2002
From: davin at pacifier.com (Davin Dahlgren)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:39:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscriber-time based automation
Message-ID: <01ca01c25f53$7e94cb00$3201a8c0@DAVIN>

Does Mailman have the ability to automatically send a pre-written
message to subscribers based on their length-of-subscription? For
example, we would like to send one message to each subscriber after they
have been with us for a week, then a different message after they have
been subscribed for a few more weeks. Does Mailman even keep the
subscribe date for subscribers? Is there an add-on that will do this, or
is there other software that would be better for this type of activity?

Thanks,
Davin





From raquel at thericehouse.net  Wed Sep 18 22:54:23 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:54:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking Unsubscribe?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209181630590.20551-100000@camlaw.rutgers.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209181624430.15444-100000@gwyn.tux.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0209181630590.20551-100000@camlaw.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <20020918135423.2922c201.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:31:41 -0400 (EDT)
Tom Ryan <tomryan at camlaw.rutgers.edu> wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 mailman at tux.org wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Tom Ryan wrote:
> > 
> > > The latest betas of mailman can allow the admin to block
> > > unsubscribe requests. However, you can't block the users
> > > setting "nomail", etc.
> > >
> > > Seems we're almost there, just not quite :)
> > 
> > Please note however, Nathan, the use of the word "beta" in Tom's
> > reply. I am sure you have read on the Mailman site that v2.1 is
> > in development, and explicitly -not- recommended for production
> > mailing list service, and that good ole' v2.0.x is the current
> > stable version (v2.0.13 is the latest).  It sounds like you are
> > definitely running a production service, so I just wanted to
> > emphasize the point, in case it had missed your eye.
> > 
> > HTH,
> > - Andrew
> > 
> Sorry, I should have clarified that.. however, doesn't Barry need
> at least *some* people to run the beta under load to help iron out
> the problems :)
> 
> Needless to say, I am one of those persons :)
> 
> Tom
> 

Although I'm not on a list of people doing it and officially
providing feedback, I have several "production" lists that have been
running happily under 2.13b for the past 7 days.

--
Raquel
============================================================
Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick
themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. 
  --Winston Churchill




From beittenc at rose-hulman.edu  Wed Sep 18 23:39:01 2002
From: beittenc at rose-hulman.edu (Nathan Beittenmiller)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:39:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking Unsubscribe?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209181624430.15444-100000@gwyn.tux.org>
Message-ID: <000201c25f5b$d7a4f550$7f007089@ms.rosehulman.edu>

Naturally we don't use beta software in our production environment
unless we: A.) Have no choice or B.) Have sufficiently tested it.
Mailman is currently being installed on a test box that may become live
if we determine it to be an acceptable replacement (which is looking
good at the moment).  To ease your fears, I am currently working with
the 2.0.13 version.  :-)

--------------------
Nathan Beittenmiller
Systems Administrator

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman at tux.org [mailto:mailman at tux.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 3:30 PM
To: Tom Ryan
Cc: Nathan Beittenmiller; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Blocking Unsubscribe?

On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Tom Ryan wrote:

> The latest betas of mailman can allow the admin to block unsubscribe
> requests. However, you can't block the users setting "nomail", etc.
>
> Seems we're almost there, just not quite :)

Please note however, Nathan, the use of the word "beta" in Tom's reply.
I am sure you have read on the Mailman site that v2.1 is in development,
and explicitly -not- recommended for production mailing list service,
and
that good ole' v2.0.x is the current stable version (v2.0.13 is the
latest).  It sounds like you are definitely running a production
service,
so I just wanted to emphasize the point, in case it had missed your eye.

HTH,
- Andrew

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From lists at moz.co.nz  Wed Sep 18 23:58:09 2002
From: lists at moz.co.nz (Moz)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 07:58:09 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking Unsubscribe?
In-Reply-To: <000c01c25f1d$866f3300$7f007089@ms.rosehulman.edu>
References: <000c01c25f1d$866f3300$7f007089@ms.rosehulman.edu>
Message-ID: <1381099060.20020919075809@moz.co.nz>

Nathan wrote:
> ability to block unsubscribing from a list.  We have a number of
> required campus mailing lists that our users must remain subscribed
> to at all times.

As far as I know, you can unsubscribe by: sending email to
<list>-unsubscribe at ... or by using the web form. A little judicious
editing of the user HTML page (via the admin interface) would remove
both the unsubscribe and nomail options (but them smart users can
still create requests that use those options). Changing the
~alias/.<list>-unsubscribe file so it is empty will stop that from
having any effect.

I think that should work.

Moz




From ptatters at zerobyzero.ca  Thu Sep 19 00:55:47 2002
From: ptatters at zerobyzero.ca (Peter Tattersall)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:55:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking Unsubscribe?
In-Reply-To: <1381099060.20020919075809@moz.co.nz>
Message-ID: <C51D3652-CB59-11D6-9594-0003931C4CFA@zerobyzero.ca>

I inadvertently ran into another approach to blocking unsubscription.

I recently added subscribers using a dump from a database list which I 
manually edited to remove some extraneous characters. I didn't look 
hard enough: there were a couple of null (and therefore invisible) 
characters at the end of some of the names. Mail went out successfully, 
and it wasn't until someone tried to turn delivery off while they went 
on vacation that I found there was a problem. The password note told 
them to access their info pages at
http://myqualifiedname/mailman/options/listname/user at address.com%00 but 
all that got them was an error message.

The address looked fine on my member management page, but any attempt 
by the user to reach the info page was rejected. Removing the %00 
didn't work - it just resulted in a different error. I didn't try 
email, but I doubt it would have worked either. I had to manually 
cancel the subscriptions for several users and re-subscribe them - 
there was no way they could do it themselves.

On Wednesday, September 18, 2002, at 05:58  PM, Moz wrote:

> Nathan wrote:
> As far as I know, you can unsubscribe by: sending email to
> <list>-unsubscribe at ... or by using the web form. A little judicious
> editing of the user HTML page (via the admin interface) would remove
> both the unsubscribe and nomail options (but them smart users can
> still create requests that use those options). Changing the
> ~alias/.<list>-unsubscribe file so it is empty will stop that from
> having any effect.




From danny at terweij.nl  Thu Sep 19 01:00:13 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 01:00:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Amount of messages in a .mbox file
Message-ID: <075801c25f67$261e5ef0$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>

Hi guys,

I have a .mbox file of 890Mb in size. I want to know how many messages are
in it and how much messages per month.

Can someone help me to write a shell script?

Thanx!


Danny Terweij

(Mm2.1b2 user)





From lists at moz.co.nz  Thu Sep 19 01:30:31 2002
From: lists at moz.co.nz (Moz)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:30:31 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Amount of messages in a .mbox file
In-Reply-To: <075801c25f67$261e5ef0$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
References: <075801c25f67$261e5ef0$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
Message-ID: <826641329.20020919093031@moz.co.nz>

Danny wrote:

> I have a .mbox file of 890Mb in size. I want to know how many
>messages are in it and how much messages per month.  Can someone help
>me to write a shell script?

Each message starts with a line like "From mailman-users at python.org",
so you can just count those. Divide by months in file to get messages/
month.

grep -c "From <list>" <file>

For the mailman archive, this works:

grep -c -i "From mailman-users at python.org" mailman-users.mbox

After some thrashing, the number is:

C:\docs>grep -c "From mailman-users" mailman-users.mbox
File mailman-users.mbox:
2721 lines match

The space is important: lots of header lines have "From: ..."

Moz




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Sep 19 03:39:32 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 18 Sep 2002 21:39:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscriber-time based automation
In-Reply-To: <01ca01c25f53$7e94cb00$3201a8c0@DAVIN>
References: <01ca01c25f53$7e94cb00$3201a8c0@DAVIN>
Message-ID: <1032399573.1633.1.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

The log files record all subscriptions.  You could easily write some
scripts to parse the log files (~mailman/logs/..) nightly and send your
automated messages.

Good Luck 

On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 16:39, Davin Dahlgren wrote:
> Does Mailman have the ability to automatically send a pre-written
> message to subscribers based on their length-of-subscription? For
> example, we would like to send one message to each subscriber after they
> have been with us for a week, then a different message after they have
> been subscribed for a few more weeks. Does Mailman even keep the
> subscribe date for subscribers? Is there an add-on that will do this, or
> is there other software that would be better for this type of activity?
> 
> Thanks,
> Davin
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Sep 19 04:00:53 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 18 Sep 2002 22:00:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Amount of messages in a .mbox file
In-Reply-To: <826641329.20020919093031@moz.co.nz>
References: <075801c25f67$261e5ef0$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org> 
	<826641329.20020919093031@moz.co.nz>
Message-ID: <1032400853.1633.14.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Just to be on the safe side I use:
  grep -c ^"From " <listname>.mbox

To separate them by Month use something like:
  grep ^"From " <listname>.mbox |grep -c " Mar "

The months are: Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov,
Dec.

Good Luck

Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 19:30, Moz wrote:
> Danny wrote:
> 
> > I have a .mbox file of 890Mb in size. I want to know how many
> >messages are in it and how much messages per month.  Can someone help
> >me to write a shell script?
> 
> Each message starts with a line like "From mailman-users at python.org",
> so you can just count those. Divide by months in file to get messages/
> month.
> 
> grep -c "From <list>" <file>
> 
> For the mailman archive, this works:
> 
> grep -c -i "From mailman-users at python.org" mailman-users.mbox
> 
> After some thrashing, the number is:
> 
> C:\docs>grep -c "From mailman-users" mailman-users.mbox
> File mailman-users.mbox:
> 2721 lines match
> 
> The space is important: lots of header lines have "From: ..."
> 
> Moz
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/





From ironicsky at shaw.ca  Thu Sep 19 07:52:40 2002
From: ironicsky at shaw.ca (Kevin)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:52:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Emergancy Help!!!!!
Message-ID: <000e01c25fa0$c44111c0$e5b64618@wp.shawcable.net>

Everytime I run mailman from one of like 50 lists I get

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 514.  (Reconfigure to take 514?)
 and gid 514 changes based on which user executed this script...

HOW Do I fix this please? I can't find the configuration files anywhere

I have Mailman stored in
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman

based off of that path, can you tell me where the configuration file is? Please


Thanks
Kevin

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From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Sep 19 08:32:22 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:32:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Angel Gabriel" <badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk> 
   of "Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:39:03 BST." <NGBBLKFIDENNFHKFMGAIKENFCDAA.badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk> 
References: <NGBBLKFIDENNFHKFMGAIKENFCDAA.badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk> 
Message-ID: <24241.1032417142@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:39:03 +0100 
Angel Gabriel <badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk> wrote:

> Could someone explain to me what VERP is?? lol thanks!  

DJB has a page on it at cr.yp.to,

-- 
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---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
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From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Sep 19 11:25:27 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:25:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable archives
In-Reply-To: <01a701c25f3d$1842a5e0$3201a8c0@DAVIN>
References: <01a701c25f3d$1842a5e0$3201a8c0@DAVIN>
Message-ID: <200209190925.g8J9PSZw018773@old-callisto.ftel.co.uk>

On Wednesday 18 September 2002 18:59, Davin Dahlgren wrote:
> Are the searchable archives for the mailman-users list a standard
> feature of Mailman, or is there an add-on that needs to be installed?
> Any special configuration that is necessary? Is the archive display
> format configurable?
>
> Thanks,
> Davin

There is a FAQ entry on this topic:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp

which also refers to a couple of patches I maintain to integrate htdig with 
MM. If you decide to use these make sure you download and apply the correct 
patch version for the MM version you are running. These patches will handle 
indexing/search of both public archives and private archives, with privacy 
access control being maintained for the latter:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103



From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Thu Sep 19 08:26:14 2002
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:26:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Emergancy Help!!!!!
References: <000e01c25fa0$c44111c0$e5b64618@wp.shawcable.net>
Message-ID: <3D896E06.71735656@whidbey.com>

Mailman needs to run as user mailman, presumably 514 is the gid of
whoever you were logged in as when you got that error.

If mailman has run in the past and nobody has changed anything on you,
that's probably all it is.

The configuration files refer to compiling the source, and I have no
idea where you keep the source. I download all tarballs into /usr/src
and extract them there, so mine is in /usr/src/mailman-2.0.12. That
directory holds the file INSTALL, and you normally will run the
./configure and make install from that location. Assuming you didn't
change the directory name, 'locate mailman-2.0' should get you there
pretty quickly.

Note that the ./configure almost certainly needs to be run as

     ./configure --with-cgi-gid XX --with-mail-gid XX

to avoid a repeat of the problem.

Van



Kevin wrote:

> Everytime I run mailman from one of like 50 lists I get
>
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 514.  (Reconfigure to take 514?)
>  and gid 514 changes based on which user executed this script...
>
>
>
> HOW Do I fix this please? I can't find the configuration files anywhere
>
>
>
> I have Mailman stored in
>
> /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman
>
>
>
> based off of that path, can you tell me where the configuration file is? Please
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Kevin
>
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From flavio at gral.com.br  Wed Sep 18 20:28:23 2002
From: flavio at gral.com.br (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fl=E1vio?= Brito)
Date: 18 Sep 2002 15:28:23 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Cron  /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/senddigests Error
Message-ID: <1032373705.1717.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Dear Friends 

My Mailman list stops. I receive mails to approval. After approved
nothing happens.  I receive this. Mailman is using so much my HD  I not
using digest. My server HD light doesn't stops. What Mailman are doing?


Can someone help me?

Flavio



-------------------------------------------------------
Cron <mailman at gral> /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/senddigests]
-------------------------------------------------------
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 65, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 42, in main
    send_list_digest(mlist)
  File "/var/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 53, in send_list_digest
    ToDigest.inject_digest(mlist, digestfile, topicsfile)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 176, in
inject_digest
    msg = digest.asText()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 245, in asText
    return self.Present(mime=0)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 269, in Present
    masthead = Utils.maketext('masthead.txt', self.TemplateRefs())
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 502, in maketext
    text = template % SafeDict(dict)
ValueError: unsupported format character 'p' (0x70)




From danny at terweij.nl  Thu Sep 19 16:25:54 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:25:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Amount of messages in a .mbox file
References: <3D9093B7@webmail.ualberta.ca>
Message-ID: <07c101c25fe8$771d3750$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>

Thanx you all for the responses.
Now i have something to think about and work it out.

Danny Terweij.





From barry at python.org  Thu Sep 19 18:08:37 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:08:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Cron  /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/senddigests Error
References: <1032373705.1717.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <15753.63109.162838.940502@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "FB" == Fl?vio Brito <flavio at gral.com.br> writes:

    FB> My Mailman list stops. I receive mails to approval. After
    FB> approved nothing happens.  I receive this. Mailman is using so
    FB> much my HD I not using digest. My server HD light doesn't
    FB> stops. What Mailman are doing?

You have a bogus interpolation in the footer of one of your messages.
E.g. you have %(foo) where you should have %(foo)s .

You should also upgrade to MM2.0.13.  Such broken footer templates
won't crash your system in the latest stable release.

-Barry



From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Thu Sep 19 18:35:19 2002
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:35:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend?
Message-ID: <003701c25ffa$8ba75fe0$1401a8c0@jmc.netcafe>

I was wondering if mailman supports a MySQL backend, because one of my lists
has hit over 100k addresses, and performance is REALLY bad. If mailman
doesn't support a MySQL backend, does anyone know of any mailing list
managers that do?? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in adance.




From dan at ssc.com  Thu Sep 19 19:17:16 2002
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:17:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend?
In-Reply-To: <003701c25ffa$8ba75fe0$1401a8c0@jmc.netcafe>
References: <003701c25ffa$8ba75fe0$1401a8c0@jmc.netcafe>
Message-ID: <20020919101716.B8125@ssc.com>

On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 05:35:19PM +0100, Angel Gabriel wrote:
> I was wondering if mailman supports a MySQL backend, because one of my lists
> has hit over 100k addresses, and performance is REALLY bad. If mailman
> doesn't support a MySQL backend, does anyone know of any mailing list
> managers that do?? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in adance.

Do you know whether it's mailman, or your MUA that's the sticky
wicket?

We have one list with 20,000 subscribers.  It used to take several
days to get everybody out.  Inspection revealed it was the MTA,
Postfix, which needed load tuning, and also the Linux kernel,
which needed some kernel parameters bumped up to allow Postfix
the elbow room to run 150 concurrent delivery processes.

Now it takes about three hours for most of the good addresses
on the list to get delivered.  The sticky wicket is the internet
connection, which also supports telecommuters, so we've had
to tune the mailserver to stop short of saturating the connection.

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From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Thu Sep 19 19:37:38 2002
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:37:38 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend?
In-Reply-To: <20020919101716.B8125@ssc.com>
Message-ID: <003801c26003$40a21e50$1401a8c0@jmc.netcafe>

I'm using RH 7.3 and I have a DSL line @ 256k upload - I havn't even
attempted to send messages to list anymore, because I can't even get the web
interface to come up, it times out. I adjusted the cf files manually to show
3000 addresses per page, and STILL the pages time out. I'm thinking of using
a diffrent application to send out my email. I know a lot of the addresses
are going to bounce, and that is REALLY going to mess up performance, it's
such a shame, we've spent FOUR years collecting these addreses, from 16
diffrenct universities up and down England. The thing that worries me, is
the bouncing mail, I don't mind if my server takes three days to send all
the mail, it's a one way list, I just want to increase performance when it
comes to admin tasks.

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Dan Wilder
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 6:17 PM
To: Mailman (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend?


On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 05:35:19PM +0100, Angel Gabriel wrote:
> I was wondering if mailman supports a MySQL backend, because one of my
lists
> has hit over 100k addresses, and performance is REALLY bad. If mailman
> doesn't support a MySQL backend, does anyone know of any mailing list
> managers that do?? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in adance.

Do you know whether it's mailman, or your MUA that's the sticky
wicket?

We have one list with 20,000 subscribers.  It used to take several
days to get everybody out.  Inspection revealed it was the MTA,
Postfix, which needed load tuning, and also the Linux kernel,
which needed some kernel parameters bumped up to allow Postfix
the elbow room to run 150 concurrent delivery processes.

Now it takes about three hours for most of the good addresses
on the list to get delivered.  The sticky wicket is the internet
connection, which also supports telecommuters, so we've had
to tune the mailserver to stop short of saturating the connection.

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From dan at ssc.com  Thu Sep 19 19:28:04 2002
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:28:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend?
In-Reply-To: <003801c26003$40a21e50$1401a8c0@jmc.netcafe>
References: <20020919101716.B8125@ssc.com> <003801c26003$40a21e50$1401a8c0@jmc.netcafe>
Message-ID: <20020919102804.D8125@ssc.com>

Quoth Dan Wilder:

> Do you know whether it's mailman, or your MUA that's the sticky
> wicket?

Oops.  MTA.

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From john at userfrenzy.com  Thu Sep 19 19:33:43 2002
From: john at userfrenzy.com (John Handelaar)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:33:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend?
In-Reply-To: <003801c26003$40a21e50$1401a8c0@jmc.netcafe>
Message-ID: <BEEMIMHGMNIOGNMGICNAIEGDCIAA.john@userfrenzy.com>

% -----Original Message-----
% From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
% [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Angel Gabriel
% Sent: 19 September 2002 18:38
% To: 'Dan Wilder'
% Cc: Mailman (E-mail)
% Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend?
% 
% I'm using RH 7.3 and I have a DSL line @ 256k upload - I havn't even
% attempted to send messages to list anymore, because I can't even 
% get the web
% interface to come up, it times out.

ADSL lines' inbound connections drop to shit when
there's a mailshot going out - you're using up so
much outbound capacity that the web server has
trouble sending ACKs out.

If you're in London, give me a shout directly and
I'll see what I can do for you

------------------------------------------
John Handelaar

T +44 20 8933 1494       M +44 7930 681789
F +44 870 169 7657   E john at userfrenzy.com
------------------------------------------ 



From dh at adoption.com  Thu Sep 19 19:42:25 2002
From: dh at adoption.com (Dean Householder)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:42:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend?
References: <003801c26003$40a21e50$1401a8c0@jmc.netcafe>
Message-ID: <007101c26003$eae96d50$0501a8c0@family.adoption.com>

If you only need to send out a message and not an interactive list with
users replying to the list, you could use a program called Mailloop.  I work
for Adoption.com and I send out their newsletter every Tuesday with over
200,000 users and it takes less than a day to send out.  Again this is only
for newsletters, not for interactive lists.  I store all their email
addresses in a MySQL database and just gather it from that before I send
each one.  It has a built in email filter to strip out bad and duplicates
before I send it.

If you want to check it out their website is:
http://www.mailloop.com

Even at $400 for what we need that's a steal!

Good luck,
Dean


----- Original Message -----
From: "Angel Gabriel" <badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk>
To: "'Dan Wilder'" <dan at ssc.com>
Cc: "Mailman (E-mail)" <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend?


>
> I'm using RH 7.3 and I have a DSL line @ 256k upload - I havn't even
> attempted to send messages to list anymore, because I can't even get the
web
> interface to come up, it times out. I adjusted the cf files manually to
show
> 3000 addresses per page, and STILL the pages time out. I'm thinking of
using
> a diffrent application to send out my email. I know a lot of the addresses
> are going to bounce, and that is REALLY going to mess up performance, it's
> such a shame, we've spent FOUR years collecting these addreses, from 16
> diffrenct universities up and down England. The thing that worries me, is
> the bouncing mail, I don't mind if my server takes three days to send all
> the mail, it's a one way list, I just want to increase performance when it
> comes to admin tasks.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Dan Wilder
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 6:17 PM
> To: Mailman (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend?
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 05:35:19PM +0100, Angel Gabriel wrote:
> > I was wondering if mailman supports a MySQL backend, because one of my
> lists
> > has hit over 100k addresses, and performance is REALLY bad. If mailman
> > doesn't support a MySQL backend, does anyone know of any mailing list
> > managers that do?? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in adance.
>
> Do you know whether it's mailman, or your MUA that's the sticky
> wicket?
>
> We have one list with 20,000 subscribers.  It used to take several
> days to get everybody out.  Inspection revealed it was the MTA,
> Postfix, which needed load tuning, and also the Linux kernel,
> which needed some kernel parameters bumped up to allow Postfix
> the elbow room to run 150 concurrent delivery processes.
>
> Now it takes about three hours for most of the good addresses
> on the list to get delivered.  The sticky wicket is the internet
> connection, which also supports telecommuters, so we've had
> to tune the mailserver to stop short of saturating the connection.
>
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>  Dan Wilder <dan at ssc.com>   Technical Manager
>  SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549   Phone:  206-782-8808
>  Seattle, WA  98155-0549    URL http://www.linuxjournal.com/
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Thu Sep 19 20:34:56 2002
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:34:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable archives
References: <01a701c25f3d$1842a5e0$3201a8c0@DAVIN> <200209190925.g8J9PSZw018773@old-callisto.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3D8A18D0.D5357711@whidbey.com>

Richard,

Perhaps you could take a minute to sketch the advantages of the options mentioned, the FAQ
tells me that there are three but gives no clue as to establishing a preference among
MnoGoSearch, HT:Dig, and  Pipermail itself.

I have never tried to set any of these up, and the only one I recall reading about here is
HT:Dig. Since I have a couple of lists that probably are candidates for a search feature I'd
like to hear how the contenders compare.

Van

Richard Barrett wrote:

> There is a FAQ entry on this topic:
>
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp
>
> which also refers to a couple of patches I maintain to integrate htdig with
> MM. If you decide to use these make sure you download and apply the correct
> patch version for the MM version you are running. These patches will handle
> indexing/search of both public archives and private archives, with privacy
> access control being maintained for the latter:
>
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103
>
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103

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From Warchol at harthosp.org  Thu Sep 19 21:58:18 2002
From: Warchol at harthosp.org (Dave Warchol)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:58:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem Converting from Sendmail to PostFix (RH7.3)
Message-ID: <sd89f41e.028@gwmail.harthosp.org>

Hello:
            I had a working test system using sendmail as the MTA.  I
wanted to try postfix as the MTA.  So, installed Postfix from package. 
Configured it, copied the mailman aliases over from the sendmail aliases
file, made the switch from sendmail using the MTA switcher.  Brought
sendmail down and postfix up.  I can send mail outbound (to the world)
and inbound from another unix box to a local user works fine.  When I
subscribe via the web to a list that I've created (called listmanagers),
I get the request for confirmation, however, I don't get subscribe
(either getting the welcome message or seeing the change in status
reflected in the subscribe log).  I do get the following e-mail back
(from Postfix):

=================================================
This is the Postfix program at host hclxtstest01.hh.chs.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.

For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.

			The Postfix program

<listmanagers-request at hclxtstest01.hh.chs>: Command died with status
2:
    "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd listmanagers". Command output:
Failure
    to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take
99?)

==================================================

I also see the following entry in maillog:

Sep 19 15:41:59 hclxtstest01 postfix/smtpd[3514]: connect from
hcnwgwds01.hh.chs[10.16.10.21]
Sep 19 15:41:59 hclxtstest01 postfix/smtpd[3514]: E16EF11EE4:
client=hcnwgwds01.hh.chs[10.16.10.21]
Sep 19 15:41:59 hclxtstest01 postfix/cleanup[3515]: E16EF11EE4:
message-id=<sd89dbb5.039 at gwmail.harthosp.org>
Sep 19 15:41:59 hclxtstest01 postfix/smtpd[3514]: disconnect from
hcnwgwds01.hh.chs[10.16.10.21]
Sep 19 15:41:59 hclxtstest01 postfix/nqmgr[3326]: E16EF11EE4:
from=<Warchol at harthosp.org>, size=1627, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Sep 19 15:41:59 hclxtstest01 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec
script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?) 
Sep 19 15:42:00 hclxtstest01 postfix/local[3517]: E16EF11EE4:
to=<listmanagers-request at hclxtstest01.hh.chs>, relay=local, delay=0,
status=bounced (Command died with status 2: "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper
mailcmd listmanagers". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED
gid 12, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?) )
Sep 19 15:42:00 hclxtstest01 postfix/cleanup[3515]: 0837111EE6:
message-id=<20020919194200.0837111EE6 at hclxtstest01.hh.chs>
Sep 19 15:42:00 hclxtstest01 postfix/nqmgr[3326]: 0837111EE6: from=<>,
size=3572, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Sep 19 15:42:00 hclxtstest01 postfix/smtp[3520]: 0837111EE6:
to=<Warchol at harthosp.org>,
relay=hhnetra-gw.harthosp.org[204.164.196.250], delay=0, status=sent
(250 Ok)


Any help is appreciated.

Thanks much,
Dave




From jfkoenig at vipb.com  Thu Sep 19 23:57:33 2002
From: jfkoenig at vipb.com (John Koenig)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:57:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Populating new installation with old list data
Message-ID: <p05111b01b9aff69c5a43@[192.168.1.2]>

Hi,

I just recently surfaced for air after dealing with a weird cgi-group 
ID mismatch after upgrading my Apache server... Then mailman started 
breaking... as it appeared to find a python 1.5.2 instead of the 
2.2.1C1 which it was originally running, but somehow got deleted... 
Couple this with weird upgrade issues from my mystery version 
2.0.8-CVS maybe?? Regardless, trying to move to 2.0.13 was flagged as 
a downgrade...  So i decided to install a fresh 2.1b3.

So this was just to say that I completely demolished my old 
installation and now I am faced with re-populating a "cleanly" 
installed 2.1b3.

Also, the mailman archives are difficult to search... Using Google is 
fruitless because of so many mailman lists out there... :)

So can anyone with familiarity with this community tell me what month 
to browse the archives where I might find a discussion of 
re-populating old lists into a new mailman installation?

Is this mentioned in a document elsewhere...

Thanks much
J



From wheakory at isu.edu  Fri Sep 20 00:31:11 2002
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:31:11 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail to Postfix
Message-ID: <3D8A502F.C1168864@isu.edu>

I'm converting over to POSTFIX from Sendmail (well actually I can switch
back and forth between the two in RedHat 7.3) and I'm running  Mailman
2.0.13 without problems (only problem is with large lists, here I
believe Postfix can help me there).  Postfix has more tweak options
that's why I want to switch.
When I make the  change to "Postfix" is there anything I need to change
on Mailman to make it run with Postfix, in other words will I break
anything?


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From arif at welfarelaw.org  Fri Sep 20 00:35:07 2002
From: arif at welfarelaw.org (Arif Mamdani)
Date: 19 Sep 2002 17:35:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail to Postfix
In-Reply-To: <3D8A502F.C1168864@isu.edu>
References: <3D8A502F.C1168864@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <1032474909.6547.4.camel@windynight.localdomain>

On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 17:31, Kory Wheatley wrote:
> I'm converting over to POSTFIX from Sendmail (well actually I can switch
> back and forth between the two in RedHat 7.3) and I'm running  Mailman
> 2.0.13 without problems (only problem is with large lists, here I
> believe Postfix can help me there).  Postfix has more tweak options
> that's why I want to switch.
> When I make the  change to "Postfix" is there anything I need to change
> on Mailman to make it run with Postfix, in other words will I break
> anything?
If I remember correctly from when I did this same thing, you'll need to
reconfigure because the gid that your mta runs under will be different,
unless of course you've got sendmail and mailman runing as the same gid,
so doing a "./configure --with-mail-gid=whatever
--with-cgi-gid=whateverelse (and whatever other options you need)"
should do the trick.

-arif

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From narnett at mccmedia.com  Fri Sep 20 00:50:47 2002
From: narnett at mccmedia.com (Nick Arnett)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:50:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digests: "From" address and topics
In-Reply-To: <200209170646.48460.camel@lrllamas.com>
Message-ID: <PHEDLIMPMIAGAEPEFBGCGEBACMAA.narnett@mccmedia.com>

I'm using Mailman 2.1b2 and digests are going out with a "From" header with
the -request address, rather than the list address.  I found a closed bug
for this
(https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=231776&group_i
d=103) that says it was to be fixed in Mailman 2... but apparently it hasn't
been.  Does this need to be re-opened?

Second problem with digests -- topic restrictions don't seem to affect the
digest.  Users who only want to receive one topic in the digest are
receiving everything.  My test setup is to select one topic, then set "Do
you want to receive message that do not match any topic filter?" to "No."  I
can't find a bug on that one.  Does this need to be filed?  (A topic of
"Brin:" shouldn't match every message in a list whose name is "Brin-L",
should it ("[Brin-L]" appears in the subject line)?  The colon doesn't have
any special meaning in Python's re, does it?

Any suggested fixes for these in the meantime?  I'm happy to muck about in
the source, given a pointer or two as to where to go.  I've only explored it
a bit so far.

I'm trying to make it easy for a friend to participate in a high-traffic
list without having to read everything, and only receive one digest a day,
but it really isn't working well -- very frustrating.  (The friend is David
Brin, the writer and futurist, who doesn't have a lot of time to muddle
through this mess.)

--
Nick Arnett
Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198
narnett at mccmedia.com




From curryoday at trekspot.com  Fri Sep 20 05:00:21 2002
From: curryoday at trekspot.com (Trek*Spot Webmaster)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:00:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription options help
Message-ID: <00b301c26051$dc0ad4b0$0d4efea9@Main>

I'm using mailman for a mailing list on my site.  Is there an address subscribers can mail to to unsubscribe (i.e. unsubscribe-list at domain.com)?  Also, can I write a cgi form for subscription?

Curry O'Day
Trek*Spot Webmaster
http://www.trekspot.com
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From jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org  Fri Sep 20 05:11:47 2002
From: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org (Jim Hale)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:11:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription options help
In-Reply-To: <00b301c26051$dc0ad4b0$0d4efea9@Main>
References: <00b301c26051$dc0ad4b0$0d4efea9@Main>
Message-ID: <1032491507.3d8a91f32837e@hale.dyndns.org>

They should just send an email TO the list with Unsubscribe as the subject. 

Jim Hale
---



Quoting Trek*Spot Webmaster <curryoday at trekspot.com>:

> I'm using mailman for a mailing list on my site.  Is there an address
> subscribers can mail to to unsubscribe (i.e. unsubscribe-list at domain.com)? 
> Also, can I write a cgi form for subscription?
> 
> Curry O'Day
> Trek*Spot Webmaster
> http://www.trekspot.com
> 




From jimpop at rocketship.com  Fri Sep 20 05:38:16 2002
From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:38:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription options help
In-Reply-To: <1032491507.3d8a91f32837e@hale.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <FMELKIGJMCKDEONBJEDGKEMNEDAA.jimpop@rocketship.com>

That doesn't work... it just causes Mailman to reply with detailed
instructions on how to unsubscribe via email.  The detailed instructions
mention needing a password, which prompts most users (because few ever set a
password) to have to use the web interface.  In the end it takes 15 steps to
unsubscribe from Mailman where as other list software is just 2 (unsubscribe
+ confirm).

<rant>
Mailman should allow unsubscriptions via confirmed email w/o requiring a
password, there is no valid reason to require the password when
unsubscribing via email.
</rant>

-Jim P.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Hale
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 11:12 PM
>
>
> They should just send an email TO the list with Unsubscribe as
> the subject.
>
> Jim Hale
> ---
>
>
>
> Quoting Trek*Spot Webmaster <curryoday at trekspot.com>:
>
> > I'm using mailman for a mailing list on my site.  Is there an address
> > subscribers can mail to to unsubscribe (i.e.
> unsubscribe-list at domain.com)?
> > Also, can I write a cgi form for subscription?
> >
> > Curry O'Day
> > Trek*Spot Webmaster
> > http://www.trekspot.com
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Sep 20 05:49:09 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:49:09 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription options help
References: <FMELKIGJMCKDEONBJEDGKEMNEDAA.jimpop@rocketship.com>
Message-ID: <3D8A9AB5.96A2A308@pcraft.com>

Jim Popovitch wrote:

> <rant>
> Mailman should allow unsubscriptions via confirmed email w/o requiring a
> password, there is no valid reason to require the password when
> unsubscribing via email.
> </rant>

    <rant>
    Learn to search the archives and/or FAQ before ranting.  There IS
a solution to allow people to unsubscribe without using a password.
If you just take 30 seconds to look, you would find it.  Here, I'll
give you a step-by-step walk through:

    Go to http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py  (a link visible at
the bottom of every Mailman post you have received so far)
    Type in 'passwords' in the search box and hit seach
    Voila, first hit.
    </rant>

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From dan at ssc.com  Fri Sep 20 05:52:47 2002
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:52:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription options help
In-Reply-To: <FMELKIGJMCKDEONBJEDGKEMNEDAA.jimpop@rocketship.com>
References: <1032491507.3d8a91f32837e@hale.dyndns.org> <FMELKIGJMCKDEONBJEDGKEMNEDAA.jimpop@rocketship.com>
Message-ID: <20020919205247.B2249@ssc.com>

On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 11:38:16PM -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> That doesn't work... it just causes Mailman to reply with detailed
> instructions on how to unsubscribe via email.  The detailed instructions
> mention needing a password, which prompts most users (because few ever set a
> password) to have to use the web interface.  In the end it takes 15 steps to
> unsubscribe from Mailman where as other list software is just 2 (unsubscribe
> + confirm).
> 
> <rant>
> Mailman should allow unsubscriptions via confirmed email w/o requiring a
> password, there is no valid reason to require the password when
> unsubscribing via email.
> </rant>

Heck, we let people off our lists with just a single email.
A little procmail magic puts the "From:" address and list name
in a data file, then a cron job comes along and picks that up
and calls

/usr/lib/mailman/bin/remove_members listname who.to.remove at wherheis.com

no complaints from anybody so far.  We run several announce lists,
and asking any more than a mail to listname-remove at ssc.com is asking
for irate subscribers.  We don't need those!

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From jimpop at rocketship.com  Fri Sep 20 06:09:43 2002
From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:09:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription options help
In-Reply-To: <3D8A9AB5.96A2A308@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <FMELKIGJMCKDEONBJEDGEENCEDAA.jimpop@rocketship.com>

Thanks Ashley, but that's not a solution... it clearly says:

    "This is an upcoming feature and may be available in a current alpha or
beta release."

The optional add-on (which isn't even part of Mailman) requires wrapper-like
scripts, MySQL and Perl.

Obviously you have no concept of running a mainstream mailinglist or you
wouldn't go around assuming that people would be so gullible to just throw a
myriad of scripts (not to mention a whole database and an interpreter) on to
a production server.

As for searching the archives, I did.  Will you now please go search for
"politeness".

-Jim P.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ashley M. Kirchner
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 11:49 PM
>
>     <rant>
>     Learn to search the archives and/or FAQ before ranting.  There IS
> a solution to allow people to unsubscribe without using a password.
> If you just take 30 seconds to look, you would find it.  Here, I'll
> give you a step-by-step walk through:
>
>     Go to http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py  (a link visible at
> the bottom of every Mailman post you have received so far)
>     Type in 'passwords' in the search box and hit seach
>     Voila, first hit.
>     </rant>
>




From dan.mick at sun.com  Fri Sep 20 06:43:03 2002
From: dan.mick at sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:43:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription options help
References: <FMELKIGJMCKDEONBJEDGEENCEDAA.jimpop@rocketship.com>
Message-ID: <3D8AA757.7030409@sun.com>

Jim Popovitch wrote:
> Thanks Ashley, but that's not a solution... it clearly says:
> 
>     "This is an upcoming feature and may be available in a current alpha or
> beta release."

It's in 2.1, which, while beta, many of us are using as production.
YMMV.  Due out any day now.





From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Fri Sep 20 07:13:17 2002
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:13:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription options help
In-Reply-To: <FMELKIGJMCKDEONBJEDGKEMNEDAA.jimpop@rocketship.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0209192212320.11060-100000@gort.cjb.net>

On Sep 19, 2002 at 23:38, Jim Popovitch wrote:

><rant>
>Mailman should allow unsubscriptions via confirmed email w/o requiring a
>password, there is no valid reason to require the password when
>unsubscribing via email.
></rant>

There are patches/wrappers for this.

http://satya.virtualave.net/download.html#mailmanw

-- 
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A mouse is a device used to focus xterms.




From rhorer at swbell.net  Fri Sep 20 07:33:28 2002
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:33:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription options help
In-Reply-To: <FMELKIGJMCKDEONBJEDGKEMNEDAA.jimpop@rocketship.com>
References: <FMELKIGJMCKDEONBJEDGKEMNEDAA.jimpop@rocketship.com>
Message-ID: <200209200031.19115.rhorer@swbell.net>

On Thursday 19 September 2002 22:38, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> <rant>
> Mailman should allow unsubscriptions via confirmed email w/o
> requiring a password, there is no valid reason to require the
> password when unsubscribing via email.
> </rant>

Do you know how easy it is to spoof email?  That's the valid reason 
Mailman requires a password even when unsubscribing via email.





From rhorer at swbell.net  Fri Sep 20 07:31:19 2002
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:31:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription options help
In-Reply-To: <FMELKIGJMCKDEONBJEDGKEMNEDAA.jimpop@rocketship.com>
References: <FMELKIGJMCKDEONBJEDGKEMNEDAA.jimpop@rocketship.com>
Message-ID: <200209200031.19115.rhorer@swbell.net>

On Thursday 19 September 2002 22:38, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> <rant>
> Mailman should allow unsubscriptions via confirmed email w/o
> requiring a password, there is no valid reason to require the
> password when unsubscribing via email.
> </rant>

Do you know how easy it is to spoof email?  That's the valid reason 
Mailman requires a password even when unsubscribing via email.



From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Sep 20 09:46:04 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:46:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Angel Gabriel" <badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk> 
   of "Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:37:38 BST." <003801c26003$40a21e50$1401a8c0@jmc.netcafe> 
References: <003801c26003$40a21e50$1401a8c0@jmc.netcafe> 
Message-ID: <7379.1032507964@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:37:38 +0100 
Angel Gabriel <badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk> wrote:

> I'm using RH 7.3 and I have a DSL line @ 256k upload - I havn't even
> attempted to send messages to list anymore, because I can't even get
> the web interface to come up, it times out. I adjusted the cf files
> manually to show 3000 addresses per page, and STILL the pages time
> out. I'm thinking of using a diffrent application to send out my
> email. I know a lot of the addresses are going to bounce, and that is
> REALLY going to mess up performance, it's such a shame, we've spent
> FOUR years collecting these addreses, from 16 diffrenct universities
> up and down England. The thing that worries me, is the bouncing mail,
> I don't mind if my server takes three days to send all the mail, it's
> a one way list, I just want to increase performance when it comes to
> admin tasks.

Use v2.1 with a database adaptor for the membership roster.

-- 
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---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
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From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Sep 20 13:51:35 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:51:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable archives
In-Reply-To: <3D8A18D0.D5357711@whidbey.com>
References: <01a701c25f3d$1842a5e0$3201a8c0@DAVIN> <200209190925.g8J9PSZw018773@old-callisto.ftel.co.uk> <3D8A18D0.D5357711@whidbey.com>
Message-ID: <200209201151.g8KBpaZw002831@old-callisto.ftel.co.uk>

On Thursday 19 September 2002 19:34, G. Armour Van Horn wrote:
> Richard,
>
> Perhaps you could take a minute to sketch the advantages of the options
> mentioned, the FAQ tells me that there are three but gives no clue as to
> establishing a preference among MnoGoSearch, HT:Dig, and  Pipermail itself.
>
> I have never tried to set any of these up, and the only one I recall
> reading about here is HT:Dig. Since I have a couple of lists that probably
> are candidates for a search feature I'd like to hear how the contenders
> compare.
>

I have to admit that I cannot speak to using anything other than Htdig for 
searching list archives produced using Mailman's internal archiver, which is 
Pipermail.

Why did I opt for Htdig? We were already using it to provide search for some 
existing web material on our intranet. It is Open Source, has a good 
reputation, is being actively developed and is readily available with RPMs 
included in the Redhat and Suse Linux distributions I use. 

I was young, naive and lazy when I decided to use Mailman's internal 
archiver. It was available without any effort as part of MM and I needed to 
get a new list manager with archiving up and working fairly quickly. I do not 
regret the decision but, certainly in MM 2.0.x, the handling of mail 
attachments by the archiver is poor. MM 2.1b3 improves things but I can 
understand why people use external archivers for their lists. I'm considering 
using MHonarc as I am told it is better but cannot get it high enough up the 
priority list to do the real work involved in a thorough trial installation.

My Htdig/MM integration patches were produced so that, having patched and 
installed MM and with a vanilla Htdig installation, the patched MM code would
pretty much do everthing that needed to be done without further manual 
intervention. The setup is one time and mainly to tell Mailman where Htdig is 
installed. You also have to make one symbolic link in the file system so that 
Htdig can reach htdig conf files for the MM list archives. The patched MM 
code builds per list htdig config files to control indexing and search of 
each list's archives. It also provides a per list search form on each 
archived list'sTOC page and preserves access control over private list 
archives. List can move from having private to public archives or vice versa 
without any intervention as regards their searchability and with their new 
access status via search being honoured.

The #444884 patch includes cron scripts for doing regular list reindexing and 
some useful maintenance scripts. It also allows the indexing and searching to 
be done on a separate machine to MM as long as it has access through NFS to 
the mail archives.

If all your lists are public and you are happy not having independent per 
list search then any search engine can be configured to access and index the 
list archives.
 
I'm sure the other search engine candidates are perfectly viable. External 
archivers like MHonarc may offer advantages over MM's pipermail archives. 
When I have time I'll look at a more generic integration. Until then others 
will have to speak to those alternatives.

Of the two patches I cited, #444879 is generic if you are using MM's internal 
archiver and applicable regardless of search engine you use. Its purpose is 
to embed configurable strings in the archived HTML pages to influence search 
engine indexing that should/may improve the quality of the search results 
subsequently returned. #444879 is a necessary precursor for using the #444884 
patch.

If you download the #444884 patch and apply it to a test expansion of the MM 
.tar.gz (or just read the patch file as text) you will find the patch adds a 
file to the top level of the MM build directory called INSTALL.htidg-mm. This 
file gives a lot of detail about installing and setting up the MM/Htdig 
integration supported by the patch. 

Thus far I've been able to keep my patches up-to-date as MM moves along. I do 
not know how many MM installations use them Probably more than 10 but when I 
asked on this I did not get that many responses so maybe its not as useful to 
others as it is for our, mainly company internal, mailing lists.

> Van
>
> Richard Barrett wrote:
> > There is a FAQ entry on this topic:
> >
> > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp
> >
> > which also refers to a couple of patches I maintain to integrate htdig
> > with MM. If you decide to use these make sure you download and apply the
> > correct patch version for the MM version you are running. These patches
> > will handle indexing/search of both public archives and private archives,
> > with privacy access control being maintained for the latter:
> >
> > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=
> >103&atid=300103
> >
> > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=
> >103&atid=300103




From jimpop at rocketship.com  Fri Sep 20 15:14:05 2002
From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:14:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription options help
In-Reply-To: <200209200031.19115.rhorer@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <FMELKIGJMCKDEONBJEDGCEOOEDAA.jimpop@rocketship.com>

Sure, but that's why other packages confirm unsubs as well as subs.  If I
can completely take over a users' account, Mailman will tell me the
password.  Again, there is no valid reason for requiring a password to unsub
via email other than to eliminate confirmation emails.  At the end of the
day more of my users would prefer confirmation emails over having to go to
some website to request a password be sent in an email so that they can send
another email to unsubscribe.

-Jim P.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kyle Rhorer [mailto:rhorer at swbell.net]
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:33 AM
> To: Jim Popovitch
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscription options help
>
>
> On Thursday 19 September 2002 22:38, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> > <rant>
> > Mailman should allow unsubscriptions via confirmed email w/o
> > requiring a password, there is no valid reason to require the
> > password when unsubscribing via email.
> > </rant>
>
> Do you know how easy it is to spoof email?  That's the valid reason
> Mailman requires a password even when unsubscribing via email.
>
>




From barry at python.org  Fri Sep 20 15:39:39 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:39:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking Unsubscribe?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209181624430.15444-100000@gwyn.tux.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0209181630590.20551-100000@camlaw.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <15755.9499.696920.274850@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "TR" == Tom Ryan <tomryan at camlaw.rutgers.edu> writes:

    TR> Sorry, I should have clarified that.. however, doesn't Barry
    TR> need at least *some* people to run the beta under load to help
    TR> iron out the problems :)

    TR> Needless to say, I am one of those persons :)

Yes!  And greatly appreciated, not just by me, but by all those other
folks who have to or want to wait until the final release.  Every bug
we squash now is one that (hopefully <wink>) won't bite people later.

-Barry



From barry at python.org  Fri Sep 20 15:42:10 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:42:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Amount of messages in a .mbox file
References: <075801c25f67$261e5ef0$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
Message-ID: <15755.9650.664582.538285@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "DT" == Danny Terweij <danny at terweij.nl> writes:

    DT> I have a .mbox file of 890Mb in size. I want to know how many
    DT> messages are in it and how much messages per month.

Take a look at bin/cleanarch in the MM2.1 source.  It does more than
you're asking for here, but should provide enough example to write
your own script (which in Python could probably be under 30 lines).

-Barry



From barry at python.org  Fri Sep 20 15:54:50 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:54:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digests: "From" address and topics
References: <200209170646.48460.camel@lrllamas.com>
	<PHEDLIMPMIAGAEPEFBGCGEBACMAA.narnett@mccmedia.com>
Message-ID: <15755.10410.823983.515538@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "NA" == Nick Arnett <narnett at mccmedia.com> writes:

    NA> I'm using Mailman 2.1b2 and digests are going out with a
    NA> "From" header with the -request address, rather than the list
    NA> address.  I found a closed bug for this
    NA> (https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=231776&group_id=103)
    NA> that says it was to be fixed in Mailman 2... but apparently it
    NA> hasn't been.  Does this need to be re-opened?

Try upgrading to 2.1b3 and see if the problem persists.  If so, please
submit a new bug report.

    NA> Second problem with digests -- topic restrictions don't seem
    NA> to affect the digest.  Users who only want to receive one
    NA> topic in the digest are receiving everything.

Correct.  Topics aren't supported in digests.  I don't know if there
will be time to fix this before the final release or not.
    
    NA> My test setup is to select one topic, then set "Do you want to
    NA> receive message that do not match any topic filter?" to "No."
    NA> I can't find a bug on that one.  Does this need to be filed?
    NA> (A topic of "Brin:" shouldn't match every message in a list
    NA> whose name is "Brin-L", should it ("[Brin-L]" appears in the
    NA> subject line)?  The colon doesn't have any special meaning in
    NA> Python's re, does it?

Not in that context.

    NA> Any suggested fixes for these in the meantime?  I'm happy to
    NA> muck about in the source, given a pointer or two as to where
    NA> to go.  I've only explored it a bit so far.

The topics-in-digests problem isn't caused by a bug, it's simply not
implemented yet.  Do you think you could provide a patch?  The tricky
bit is that ToDigest.py probably needs to look at the Tagger.py data
to decide which digest .mbox to drop the message into (perhaps
multiple ones), and the whole send-out-the-digest machinery needs to
be taught about possibly multiple digests per list.  I don't know how
hard all this will be.

If you want to look into it further, or discuss things in more detail,
please follow up to mailman-developers -- mailman-users isn't the
appropriate place for this level of detail.

    NA> I'm trying to make it easy for a friend to participate in a
    NA> high-traffic list without having to read everything, and only
    NA> receive one digest a day, but it really isn't working well --
    NA> very frustrating.  (The friend is David Brin, the writer and
    NA> futurist, who doesn't have a lot of time to muddle through
    NA> this mess.)

Cool!  But given non-digest topic filtered messages, is he still
getting way too much?  Or is the problem the interrupt factor?  Maybe
he can set up his mail reader to put the topic'd messages in a
separate folder which he only reads once a day?

-Barry



From barry at python.org  Fri Sep 20 15:56:55 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:56:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription options help
References: <200209200031.19115.rhorer@swbell.net>
	<FMELKIGJMCKDEONBJEDGCEOOEDAA.jimpop@rocketship.com>
Message-ID: <15755.10535.201797.158400@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "JP" == Jim Popovitch <jimpop at rocketship.com> writes:

    JP> Again, there is no valid reason for requiring a password to
    JP> unsub via email other than to eliminate confirmation emails.
    JP> At the end of the day more of my users would prefer
    JP> confirmation emails over having to go to some website to
    JP> request a password be sent in an email so that they can send
    JP> another email to unsubscribe.

I totally agree, which is why unsub-by-confirmation has been in MM2.1
for a long time now. :)

-Barry



From rhill at asis.org  Fri Sep 20 17:53:58 2002
From: rhill at asis.org (Richard Hill)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:53:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stopping PGP signatures
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020920115213.0211f350@mail.asis.org>

Apologies if this has been covered.  I didn't find it in list threads or FAQs.

Is the a way to strip PGP signatures from messages?  Will Mime stripping 
software take care of this as well?

Dick Hill

Executive Director
American Society for Information Science and Technology
1320 Fenwick Lane, Suite 510
Silver Spring, MD  20910
FAX: (301) 495-0810
PHONE: (301) 495-0900

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From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Fri Sep 20 18:18:25 2002
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:18:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend?
In-Reply-To: <p05100300b9b0087bcc40@[216.162.173.6]>
Message-ID: <006101c260c1$599707e0$1c01a8c0@voda>

Version 2.1? Okay, what I'm going to do is have a look around the net for
more info on this. Having a MySQL backend should ease a few performance
issues. Also I got a mail from someone saying that sending out about 100k
mails with a few bad ones would bring my server to it's knees... hmm... that
is SO not good! But it has one function, yep you guessed it, it's my mail
server, and that's all it does. It runs a samba client, but that's just so
that my windows boxes can see it. What would be a better MTA to use? Any
recommendations?

-----Original Message-----
From: Harold Paulson [mailto:haroldp at sierraweb.com]
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:20 AM
To: mailman-users-admin at python.org
Cc: Angel Gabriel
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend?


Angel,

For what it's worth...

Mailman 2.1 is supposed to be able to use alternative backends (such
as MySQL) to store user information.  However, I haven't actually
seen this working yet.

Personally, I have given up on using Mailman for large broadcast-only
lists.  Mailman seems to do a lot of things based on the assumption
that it's being used for an interactive list.  Configuring it for
broadcasting tends to be a lot of work.  I use a custom-built
Perl+PHP+MySQL thingy I wrote, for large broadcast lists these days.

On a side note, if you are planning to send to a list of 100k+
addresses with a large number of bad ones, you had better be using
something other than Sendmail.  It *will* bring your machine to it's
knees spawning a limitless number of queue running processes[1].

Good luck!  :)

	- H

Note:
[1] If someone would like to contradict me on this point, I'd love to
hear your argument, and see what config you suggest.  Seriously, I
really would like to see a solution.  Please include more than
MAX_DAEMON_CHILDREN, QUEUE_LA, or REFUSE_LA in your answer, since
they do not seem affect queue runs.



>I'm using RH 7.3 and I have a DSL line @ 256k upload - I havn't even
>attempted to send messages to list anymore, because I can't even get the
web
>interface to come up, it times out. I adjusted the cf files manually to
show
>3000 addresses per page, and STILL the pages time out. I'm thinking of
using
>a diffrent application to send out my email. I know a lot of the addresses
>are going to bounce, and that is REALLY going to mess up performance, it's
>such a shame, we've spent FOUR years collecting these addreses, from 16
>diffrenct universities up and down England. The thing that worries me, is
>the bouncing mail, I don't mind if my server takes three days to send all
>the mail, it's a one way list, I just want to increase performance when it
>comes to admin tasks.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
>[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Dan Wilder
>Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 6:17 PM
>To: Mailman (E-mail)
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend?
>
>
>On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 05:35:19PM +0100, Angel Gabriel wrote:
>>  I was wondering if mailman supports a MySQL backend, because one of my
>lists
>>  has hit over 100k addresses, and performance is REALLY bad. If mailman
>>  doesn't support a MySQL backend, does anyone know of any mailing list
>>  managers that do?? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in adance.
>
>Do you know whether it's mailman, or your MUA that's the sticky
>wicket?
>
>We have one list with 20,000 subscribers.  It used to take several
>days to get everybody out.  Inspection revealed it was the MTA,
>Postfix, which needed load tuning, and also the Linux kernel,
>which needed some kernel parameters bumped up to allow Postfix
>the elbow room to run 150 concurrent delivery processes.
>
>Now it takes about three hours for most of the good addresses
>on the list to get delivered.  The sticky wicket is the internet
>connection, which also supports telecommuters, so we've had
>to tune the mailserver to stop short of saturating the connection.
>
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From dan at ssc.com  Fri Sep 20 18:12:33 2002
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:12:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription options help
In-Reply-To: <FMELKIGJMCKDEONBJEDGCEOOEDAA.jimpop@rocketship.com>
References: <200209200031.19115.rhorer@swbell.net> <FMELKIGJMCKDEONBJEDGCEOOEDAA.jimpop@rocketship.com>
Message-ID: <20020920091233.B11339@ssc.com>

On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 09:14:05AM -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> Sure, but that's why other packages confirm unsubs as well as subs.  If I
> can completely take over a users' account, Mailman will tell me the
> password.  Again, there is no valid reason for requiring a password to unsub
> via email other than to eliminate confirmation emails.  At the end of the
> day more of my users would prefer confirmation emails over having to go to
> some website to request a password be sent in an email so that they can send
> another email to unsubscribe.
> 
> -Jim P.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kyle Rhorer [mailto:rhorer at swbell.net]
> > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:33 AM
> > To: Jim Popovitch
> > Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscription options help
> >
> >
> > On Thursday 19 September 2002 22:38, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> > > <rant>
> > > Mailman should allow unsubscriptions via confirmed email w/o
> > > requiring a password, there is no valid reason to require the
> > > password when unsubscribing via email.
> > > </rant>
> >
> > Do you know how easy it is to spoof email?  That's the valid reason
> > Mailman requires a password even when unsubscribing via email.
> >

No it isn't.  

Do you know how easy it is to kick down the door of a house and steal
the stereo?   That's not valid reason in and of itself for all of us
to install ten-foot cyclone fences with razor wire.

As always with security, this is a risk management decision.  Informed
people in different circumstances will make different decisions.
Sometimes even in the same circumstances.  And they may all be right.

You may run a contentious discussion list with members who hate each
other and love to play pranks.  You'd better secure your "unsubscribe".

Joe over there may run a 20,000-subscriber announce list where nobody
knows or cares who else is subscribed, but a significant number of
clueless or even marginally functioning people sign up, maybe not fully
understanding what they're doing, and after receiving a few posts,
decide they want off.  If he's lucky they won't report his list to
SpamCop, who then will holler at his upstream ISP, who in turn will
want him to prove for the nth time that his lists use double-opt-in.

Try telling these angry people "you have to go to a website and get your
password mailed to you then go back to the website and unsubscribe."  If
they even try, they'll autoreport the password reminder.  Then yell at
Joe for not sending it.  Even mailback confirmation will elicit an angry
response from some of them.

Hoping they'll leave quietly, Joe wants to make it as easy as possible
for announce list members to leave.  

That's a very strong and sufficient reason to offer simple single-email
unsubscribe, at least as an option.

I've implemented such here at SSC, using a certain amount of string
and sealing wax, and it cuts down customer service expense by a lot.

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From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Sep 20 18:15:43 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:15:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Angel Gabriel" <badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk> 
   of "Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:18:25 BST." <006101c260c1$599707e0$1c01a8c0@voda> 
References: <006101c260c1$599707e0$1c01a8c0@voda> 
Message-ID: <12165.1032538543@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:18:25 +0100 
Angel Gabriel <badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk> wrote:

> What would be a better MTA to use? Any recommendations?

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py 

As stated there I generically recommend both Exim and Postfix, for the
reasons stated there.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From p.schoenfeld at epost.de  Fri Sep 20 18:36:48 2002
From: p.schoenfeld at epost.de (p.schoenfeld at epost.de)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:36:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?RE=3A=20=5BMailman=2DUsers=5D=20Stopping=20PGP=20signatures?=
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020920115213.0211f350@mail.asis.org>
Message-ID: <3D839BC60000657D@mail.epost.de>

>Apologies if this has been covered.  I didn't find it in list threads or
>FAQs.
>Is the a way to strip PGP signatures from messages?  Will Mime stripping
>software take care of this as well?
I don't think you want this.
So why do you want to stripoff privacy things?

bye
Patrick




________________________________________
Online Fotoalben - jetzt kostenlos bei http://www.ePost.de





From chris at yonderway.com  Fri Sep 20 18:41:45 2002
From: chris at yonderway.com (Christian J Hedemark)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:41:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: [Mailman-Users] Stopping PGP signatures
In-Reply-To: <3D839BC60000657D@mail.epost.de>
Message-ID: <D9CF9A0C-CCB7-11D6-B6FF-0003939CC61E@yonderway.com>

+1

PGP is a good thing.

On Friday, September 20, 2002, at 12:36 PM, p.schoenfeld at epost.de wrote:

>> Apologies if this has been covered.  I didn't find it in list threads 
>> or
>> FAQs.
>> Is the a way to strip PGP signatures from messages?  Will Mime 
>> stripping
>> software take care of this as well?
> I don't think you want this.
> So why do you want to stripoff privacy things?
>
> bye
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
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From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Fri Sep 20 18:55:31 2002
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:55:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Was Does mailman support a MySQL backend? - Now MTA tweaking!
In-Reply-To: <12165.1032538543@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <007101c260c6$88282a80$1c01a8c0@voda>

Thanks for the prompt reply, and I'm talking to all the personal emails I've
recieved!! It's seems that it is a matter of personal  prefrance as to the
MTA to use... which just left me stuck!! So, I'm gonna stick with sendmail,
and add a little hack to stop all the DNS lookups. Hopefully that should
increase performance slightly, or at least run a cache nameserver, which
should have the same effect of increasing performance, by reducing the time
wasted waiting for responses. I expect about 30% of the list to bounce.....
given that the list is old, and has been gathering some serious digital
dust! I also read someone amoung the many pages, that mailman uses it's own
delivery mechanism... is that correct? Because if it is, why use an external
MTA?


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of J C Lawrence
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 5:16 PM
To: Angel Gabriel
Cc: Mailman (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend?


On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:18:25 +0100
Angel Gabriel <badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk> wrote:

> What would be a better MTA to use? Any recommendations?

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

As stated there I generically recommend both Exim and Postfix, for the
reasons stated there.

--
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.


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From bash at twignation.com  Fri Sep 20 18:38:04 2002
From: bash at twignation.com (B. Ash)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:38:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim 4 configuration file, and mailman 2.0.13
Message-ID: <3D8B4EEC.5070603@twignation.com>

Hi

I am sure this has been asked before.  I am having trouble getting Exim
version 4 to work with mailman.  I have it running with version 3.xx,
and have used the conversion utility, but no dice.  Any help would be
appreciated.


Thanks

--bash





From marklists at mceahern.com  Fri Sep 20 18:48:18 2002
From: marklists at mceahern.com (Mark McEahern)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:48:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] message url in footer
Message-ID: <JHEOKEOOLIGLDHCMAHMOIEDGEAAA.marklists@mceahern.com>

It would be great if I could modify the footer of a mailing list to insert
the archive URL of the current message.

Is that easy/possible?

I apologize if this is a FAQ.  I read the FAQ and the wish list and couldn't
find a reference to it.  I also did at least a cursory google search and
couldn't find anything obvious related to this:

  http://www.google.com/search?q=mailman+footer

  http://www.google.com/search?q=mailman+footer+archive

Thanks,

// mark

p.s.  Suggestion:  Put a "last updated" date on the wish list.




From johnj at ActiveState.com  Fri Sep 20 18:48:46 2002
From: johnj at ActiveState.com (John Jones)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:48:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: [Mailman-Users] Stopping PGP signatures
In-Reply-To: <D9CF9A0C-CCB7-11D6-B6FF-0003939CC61E@yonderway.com>
Message-ID: <009601c260c5$969b5020$9f03a8c0@activestate.ca>

> -----Original Message-----

> >> Is the a way to strip PGP signatures from messages?  Will Mime
> >> stripping
> >> software take care of this as well?

> > I don't think you want this.
> > So why do you want to stripoff privacy things?

> PGP is a good thing.

Okay, lets put this another way, then:

How does one strip MS Office vcard attachments that salespeople and others
tend to attach to -every- email as an attachment of 15kb-45kb?  You know,
the thing that has very little in it except for an 'attachment signature'
and contact information?  Who uses those things, anyway? ;)

I think the intent here is not to strip people of privacy, but to remove
unwanted extra pump traffic from your mailman/mail server.


John




From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Sep 20 18:56:20 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:56:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?RE=3A=20=5BMailman=2DUsers=5D=20Stopping=20PGP=20signatures?= 
In-Reply-To: Message from p.schoenfeld@epost.de 
   of "Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:36:48 +0200." <3D839BC60000657D@mail.epost.de> 
References: <3D839BC60000657D@mail.epost.de> 
Message-ID: <12681.1032540980@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:36:48 +0200 
p schoenfeld <p.schoenfeld at epost.de> wrote:

> So why do you want to stripoff privacy things?

On some lists PGP wrappers and sigs are noise.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Fri Sep 20 19:11:33 2002
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:11:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] An idea, what do you guys think??
Message-ID: <007201c260c8$c5329f30$1c01a8c0@voda>

Okay, I'm sorry i've posted so much to the list recently, please forgive
me!! After some research, it's has been decidede that postfix is the best
MTA, as in it has great security, and it has been recommended on quite a few
webpages. Problem is, i'm not going to change everything over now. I'll do
that in a few days time.
I've decided that I'm going to use a seperate application to send my mail,
and make it look like mailman sent it, so that any bouncing mail would be
recieved by my mailman box. If I've missed anything crucial, feel free to
make me feel like an idiot!!




From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Sep 20 19:07:40 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:07:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Was Does mailman support a MySQL backend? - Now MTA tweaking! 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Angel Gabriel" <badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk> 
   of "Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:55:31 BST." <007101c260c6$88282a80$1c01a8c0@voda> 
References: <007101c260c6$88282a80$1c01a8c0@voda> 
Message-ID: <12853.1032541660@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:55:31 +0100 
Angel Gabriel <badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk> wrote:

> It's seems that it is a matter of personal prefrance as to the MTA to
> use... which just left me stuck!! 

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.002.htp
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.002.htp
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.003.htp
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.004.htp
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.006.htp

  ObNote: I regularly sustain 1,400 deliveries per minute or better with
  both Exim and Postfix.  At times, depending on target MX distribution,
  I've sustained just over 2,100 deliveries per minute.

  Caveats: I have a unusual distribution of target MXes and users.
  Example: AOL+MSN+HotMail+Yahoo together forms less than 3% of my
  subscriber base.

> I also read someone amoung the many pages, that mailman uses it's own
> delivery mechanism... is that correct? 

Yes, just to get to the MTA that will do final delivery.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Fri Sep 20 19:27:19 2002
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:27:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Was Does mailman support a MySQL backend? - Now MTA tweaking! 
In-Reply-To: <12853.1032541660@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <007501c260ca$f948e700$1c01a8c0@voda>

I would like to know how I can check the performance of my mail server.

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of J C Lawrence
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 6:08 PM
To: Angel Gabriel
Cc: Mailman (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Was Does mailman support a MySQL backend? -
Now MTA tweaking!


On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:55:31 +0100
Angel Gabriel <badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk> wrote:

> It's seems that it is a matter of personal prefrance as to the MTA to
> use... which just left me stuck!!

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.002.htp
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.002.htp
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.003.htp
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.004.htp
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.006.htp

  ObNote: I regularly sustain 1,400 deliveries per minute or better with
  both Exim and Postfix.  At times, depending on target MX distribution,
  I've sustained just over 2,100 deliveries per minute.

  Caveats: I have a unusual distribution of target MXes and users.
  Example: AOL+MSN+HotMail+Yahoo together forms less than 3% of my
  subscriber base.

> I also read someone amoung the many pages, that mailman uses it's own
> delivery mechanism... is that correct?

Yes, just to get to the MTA that will do final delivery.

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From alex at phred.org  Fri Sep 20 19:21:27 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:21:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: [Mailman-Users] Stopping PGP signatures
In-Reply-To: <009601c260c5$969b5020$9f03a8c0@activestate.ca>
Message-ID: <20020920102031.U97522-100000@phred.org>

On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, John Jones wrote:
> How does one strip MS Office vcard attachments that salespeople and others
> tend to attach to -every- email as an attachment of 15kb-45kb?  You know,
> the thing that has very little in it except for an 'attachment signature'
> and contact information?  Who uses those things, anyway? ;)

Use a MIME stripper.  There are at least 5 options listed in the FAQ,
and some allow you to strip only specific content types if you want to
kill vCards but allow JPEGs (as an example).

alex




From jimpop at rocketship.com  Fri Sep 20 19:56:20 2002
From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:56:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription options help
In-Reply-To: <15755.10535.201797.158400@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <FMELKIGJMCKDEONBJEDGKEADEEAA.jimpop@rocketship.com>

Thanks Barry,

That's great news for people running beta sites. ;)  I run a production
site.

MM2.1 is looking good, and I am anticipating rolling it out as soon as it is
released.

-Jim P.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry A. Warsaw [mailto:barry at python.org]
>
> >>>>> "JP" == Jim Popovitch <jimpop at rocketship.com> writes:
>
>     JP> Again, there is no valid reason for requiring a password to
>     JP> unsub via email other than to eliminate confirmation emails.
>     JP> At the end of the day more of my users would prefer
>     JP> confirmation emails over having to go to some website to
>     JP> request a password be sent in an email so that they can send
>     JP> another email to unsubscribe.
>
> I totally agree, which is why unsub-by-confirmation has been in MM2.1
> for a long time now. :)
>
> -Barry




From haroldp at sierraweb.com  Fri Sep 20 20:00:26 2002
From: haroldp at sierraweb.com (Harold Paulson)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:00:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] An idea, what do you guys think??
In-Reply-To: <007201c260c8$c5329f30$1c01a8c0@voda>
References: <007201c260c8$c5329f30$1c01a8c0@voda>
Message-ID: <p05100306b9b11024befd@[216.162.173.6]>

Angel,

Actually, Mailman tends to work pretty solidly for sending out 
emails.  It all likelihood, it will be faster than your net 
connection can handle.  Mailman should be able to pass all of it's 
messages off to Postfix in a reasonable amount of time.  Then Postfix 
will spend a few hours delivering the emails to the right places.

You may run in problems when a thousand subscribers can't remember 
ever signing up for your list, and all decide to unsubscribe at the 
same time.  You are likely to get a situation where 10 different 
Apache processes and the Mailman queue_runner processing bounces, are 
all trying to get exclusive access to one huge userlist.

This will all be exacerbated Postfix, Mailman and Apache all fighting 
for a share of the limited bandwidth.

	- H


At 6:11 PM +0100 9/20/02, Angel Gabriel wrote:
>Okay, I'm sorry i've posted so much to the list recently, please forgive
>me!! After some research, it's has been decidede that postfix is the best
>MTA, as in it has great security, and it has been recommended on quite a few
>webpages. Problem is, i'm not going to change everything over now. I'll do
>that in a few days time.
>I've decided that I'm going to use a seperate application to send my mail,
>and make it look like mailman sent it, so that any bouncing mail would be
>recieved by my mailman box. If I've missed anything crucial, feel free to
>make me feel like an idiot!!


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From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Fri Sep 20 20:17:55 2002
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:17:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] An idea, what do you guys think??
In-Reply-To: <p05100306b9b11024befd@[216.162.173.6]>
Message-ID: <007901c260d2$0cb2fa90$1c01a8c0@voda>

I see what you mean... hmm.... in that case, I better include email based
unsubscribe procedures then, and hopefully people would use that, instead of
the webbased interface, because your right, they'd all be fighting for the
same bandwith at the same time. Hmm... more problems!

-----Original Message-----
From: Harold Paulson [mailto:haroldp at sierraweb.com]
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 7:00 PM
To: Mailman (E-mail)
Cc: Angel Gabriel
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] An idea, what do you guys think??


Angel,

Actually, Mailman tends to work pretty solidly for sending out
emails.  It all likelihood, it will be faster than your net
connection can handle.  Mailman should be able to pass all of it's
messages off to Postfix in a reasonable amount of time.  Then Postfix
will spend a few hours delivering the emails to the right places.

You may run in problems when a thousand subscribers can't remember
ever signing up for your list, and all decide to unsubscribe at the
same time.  You are likely to get a situation where 10 different
Apache processes and the Mailman queue_runner processing bounces, are
all trying to get exclusive access to one huge userlist.

This will all be exacerbated Postfix, Mailman and Apache all fighting
for a share of the limited bandwidth.

	- H


At 6:11 PM +0100 9/20/02, Angel Gabriel wrote:
>Okay, I'm sorry i've posted so much to the list recently, please forgive
>me!! After some research, it's has been decidede that postfix is the best
>MTA, as in it has great security, and it has been recommended on quite a
few
>webpages. Problem is, i'm not going to change everything over now. I'll do
>that in a few days time.
>I've decided that I'm going to use a seperate application to send my mail,
>and make it look like mailman sent it, so that any bouncing mail would be
>recieved by my mailman box. If I've missed anything crucial, feel free to
>make me feel like an idiot!!


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From mariagarciasuarez at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 20 21:14:54 2002
From: mariagarciasuarez at yahoo.com (Maria Garcia Suarez)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:14:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error installing 2.0.13
In-Reply-To: <1032180236.5240.16.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20020920191454.36951.qmail@web13104.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi there!

Following Jon's advice about installing Mailman 2.0.13
from sources (instead of using version 2.0.11 packed
in Debian Woody) I tried to :-)

But I got another problem.

I've created both user and group mailman. I changed
rights as described in
http://www.list.org/install-system.html and finally
downloaded the files from ftp.gnu.org

I uncompress it to /home/mailman-2.0.13, cd to that
directory and run (as root, as normal user I get the
same eror):

./configure --prefix=/home/mailman-2.0.13
make install

First program runs fine but make install fails to move
files. Here I attach the output of make install.

Some sentences are in spanish (sorry, I tried to make
mv answer in english but I could manage), here I
include the translation of those sentences:

* son el mismo fichero - are the same file

* al mover varios ficheros, el ?ltimo argumento debe
ser un directorio - if you want to move several files
second arguments must be a directory

*  no se puede efectuar `stat' sobre `*.html': No
existe el fichero o el directorio - I can't make (or
do) 'stat' on '*.html', either the file or the
directory doesn't exist

Hope someone can help me.

Kisses,

Maria G Suarez



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From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Sep 20 21:19:08 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:19:08 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error installing 2.0.13
References: <20020920191454.36951.qmail@web13104.mail.yahoo.com>
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Maria Garcia Suarez wrote:

> I uncompress it to /home/mailman-2.0.13, cd to that
> directory and run (as root, as normal user I get the
> same eror):

    You're trying to install Mailman into the same directory that you've uncompressed it in.  That's why you're getting errors.  Uncompress the sources some place else (like /usr/local/src), and configure it in there, make and install it from
there.  It will, by default, try to install in /home/mailman...

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From mariagarciasuarez at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 20 21:38:27 2002
From: mariagarciasuarez at yahoo.com (Maria Garcia Suarez)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:38:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Error installing 2.0.13
In-Reply-To: <3D8B74AC.1748C43D@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <20020920193827.98636.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi there!

Many thanks for your reply. But I have a question...

--- "Ashley M. Kirchner" <ashley at pcraft.com> wrote:
> Maria Garcia Suarez wrote:
> 
> > I uncompress it to /home/mailman-2.0.13, cd to
> that
> > directory and run (as root, as normal user I get
> the
> > same eror):
> 
>     You're trying to install Mailman into the same
> directory that you've uncompressed it in.  That's
> why you're getting errors.  Uncompress the sources
> some place else (like /usr/local/src), and configure
> it in there, make and install it from
> there.  It will, by default, try to install in
> /home/mailman...

What's exactly $prefix? The place where I uncompress
the files or the place where the program will be
installed?

Now I tried what you told me and I have the same
problem.

1 - I uncompressed to:
/usr/local/src/mailman-2.0.13

2 - I cd to that directory

3 - I run:
chgrp mailman .
chmod a+rx,g+ws .

4- I do:
./configure --prefix=/usr/local/src/mailman-2.0.13
make install

But I get the same error :-(

What do I do wrong?

Thanks for your help! :-)

Kisses,

Maria G Suarez


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From ler at lerctr.org  Fri Sep 20 21:40:29 2002
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: 20 Sep 2002 14:40:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Error installing 2.0.13
In-Reply-To: <20020920193827.98636.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020920193827.98636.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1032550843.389.36.camel@lerlaptop.iadfw.net>

On Fri, 2002-09-20 at 14:38, Maria Garcia Suarez wrote:
> Hi there!
> 
> Many thanks for your reply. But I have a question...
> 
> --- "Ashley M. Kirchner" <ashley at pcraft.com> wrote:
> > Maria Garcia Suarez wrote:
> > 
> > > I uncompress it to /home/mailman-2.0.13, cd to
> > that
> > > directory and run (as root, as normal user I get
> > the
> > > same eror):
> > 
> >     You're trying to install Mailman into the same
> > directory that you've uncompressed it in.  That's
> > why you're getting errors.  Uncompress the sources
> > some place else (like /usr/local/src), and configure
> > it in there, make and install it from
> > there.  It will, by default, try to install in
> > /home/mailman...
> 
> What's exactly $prefix? The place where I uncompress
> the files or the place where the program will be
> installed?
> 
> Now I tried what you told me and I have the same
> problem.
> 
> 1 - I uncompressed to:
> /usr/local/src/mailman-2.0.13
> 
> 2 - I cd to that directory
> 
> 3 - I run:
> chgrp mailman .
> chmod a+rx,g+ws .
> 
> 4- I do:
> ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/src/mailman-2.0.13
> make install
you want prefix to be /home/mailman It's where the FINAL STUFF winds
up..


> 
> But I get the same error :-(
> 
> What do I do wrong?
> 
> Thanks for your help! :-)
> 
> Kisses,
> 
> Maria G Suarez
> 
> 
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From jfkoenig at vipb.com  Fri Sep 20 21:41:39 2002
From: jfkoenig at vipb.com (John Koenig)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:41:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner caught SIGINT.  Stopping.
Message-ID: <p05111b04b9b1267809b5@[128.3.132.186]>

Hi,

I am running 2.1b3...

I am using list data recovered from a non-working 2.0.8-ish cvs installation...

Fortunately, I am able to authenticate as the administrator of the 
Mailman installation. I can view the "LISTNAME mailing list 
administration" page. I can view memberships, etc... All seems  OK...

However things seems to be broken in the smtp and routing side of 
things, so I am looking for some help with this area...

The MTA that was previously working is assumed to be configured 
properly because sending mail to the LISTNAME at domain reaches the 
appropriate mail host and it appears to be communicating with Mailman.

I was tailing -f the qrunner file when I used the web-based form to 
subscribe a new member to the list. Here is what I saw:

After submitting new user subscription request via the Web Form
and before mailman restart

Sep 20 11:15:20 2002 (2663) CommandRunner qrunner started.
Sep 20 11:15:20 2002 (2669) ArchRunner qrunner started.
Sep 20 11:15:20 2002 (2668) BounceRunner qrunner started.
Sep 20 11:15:20 2002 (2665) VirginRunner qrunner started.
Sep 20 11:15:20 2002 (2664) IncomingRunner qrunner started.
Sep 20 11:15:20 2002 (2667) NewsRunner qrunner started.
Sep 20 11:15:20 2002 (2666) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.

After the invocation of a Mailman restart "/etc/init.d/mailman restart"
This was logged in qrunner:

Sep 20 11:25:58 2002 (2669) ArchRunner qrunner caught SIGINT.  Stopping.
Sep 20 11:25:58 2002 (2669) ArchRunner qrunner exiting.
Sep 20 11:25:58 2002 (2668) BounceRunner qrunner caught SIGINT.  Stopping.
Sep 20 11:25:58 2002 (2668) BounceRunner qrunner exiting.
Sep 20 11:25:58 2002 (2667) NewsRunner qrunner caught SIGINT.  Stopping.
Sep 20 11:25:58 2002 (2667) NewsRunner qrunner exiting.
Sep 20 11:25:58 2002 (2666) OutgoingRunner qrunner caught SIGINT.  Stopping.
Sep 20 11:25:58 2002 (2666) OutgoingRunner qrunner exiting.
Sep 20 11:25:58 2002 (2665) VirginRunner qrunner caught SIGINT.  Stopping.
Sep 20 11:25:58 2002 (2665) VirginRunner qrunner exiting.
Sep 20 11:25:58 2002 (2664) IncomingRunner qrunner caught SIGINT.  Stopping.
Sep 20 11:25:58 2002 (2664) IncomingRunner qrunner exiting.
Sep 20 11:25:58 2002 (2663) CommandRunner qrunner caught SIGINT.  Stopping.
Sep 20 11:25:58 2002 (2663) CommandRunner qrunner exiting.
Sep 20 11:26:00 2002 (2704) ArchRunner qrunner started.
Sep 20 11:26:00 2002 (2705) BounceRunner qrunner started.
Sep 20 11:26:00 2002 (2710) CommandRunner qrunner started.
Sep 20 11:26:00 2002 (2709) IncomingRunner qrunner started.
Sep 20 11:26:00 2002 (2708) VirginRunner qrunner started.
Sep 20 11:26:00 2002 (2707) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.
Sep 20 11:26:00 2002 (2706) NewsRunner qrunner started.



Any  ideas what I should be looking at?
Am I sharing enough info about my problem?

thanks in advance for some direction...

J






From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Sep 20 21:47:09 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:47:09 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Error installing 2.0.13
References: <20020920193827.98636.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3D8B7B3D.D84CEDC2@pcraft.com>

Maria Garcia Suarez wrote:

> What's exactly $prefix? The place where I uncompress
> the files or the place where the program will be
> installed?

    Where it will be installed.  You don't have to specify this UNLESS you do
not want to install it into /home/mailman.  If you don't specify a $prefix, it
will automatically install in /home/mailman.


> ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/src/mailman-2.0.13

    Don't specify a $prefix.  What you need to worry about are the
--with-mail-gid and --with-cgi-gid options.


> Kisses,

    Hrm.  Been a while since any woman send (or gave) me kisses.  Thanks! :)

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From mariagarciasuarez at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 20 22:17:50 2002
From: mariagarciasuarez at yahoo.com (Maria Garcia Suarez)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:17:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Error installing 2.0.13
In-Reply-To: <3D8B7B3D.D84CEDC2@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <20020920201750.71921.qmail@web13104.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi there!

--- "Ashley M. Kirchner" <ashley at pcraft.com> wrote:
> Maria Garcia Suarez wrote:
> 
> > What's exactly $prefix? The place where I
> uncompress
> > the files or the place where the program will be
> > installed?
> 
>     Where it will be installed.  You don't have to
> specify this UNLESS you do
> not want to install it into /home/mailman.  If you
> don't specify a $prefix, it
> will automatically install in /home/mailman.
> > ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/src/mailman-2.0.13
>     Don't specify a $prefix.  What you need to worry
> about are the
> --with-mail-gid and --with-cgi-gid options.

Ok, I didn't understand that. Thanks!

I tried again, I didn't specify any $prefix and I now
./configure'd with the proper gids. Now make install
reports less errors but keeps on failing :-(

I include the output as attachment.

>     Hrm.  Been a while since any woman send (or
> gave) me kisses.  Thanks! :)

Here comes another one :-*

Thanks for your help Ashley (also to Larry, who also
kindly answered to my question :-)

Kisses,

Maria G Suarez

/who really apologises for disturbing so much... :-( 
and apreciates your help a lot


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From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Sep 20 22:23:38 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:23:38 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Error installing 2.0.13
References: <20020920201750.71921.qmail@web13104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3D8B83CA.D082D4BC@pcraft.com>

Maria Garcia Suarez wrote:

> /who really apologises for disturbing so much... :-(
> and apreciates your help a lot

    You're not disturbing.  You're asking for help - anyone is allowed to do that.


> mv: no se puede efectuar `stat' sobre `/home/mailman/templates/*.html': No existe el fichero o el directorio
> /usr/bin/install: no se puede efectuar `stat' sobre `*.html': No existe el fichero o el directorio
> mv: no se puede efectuar `stat' sobre `/home/mailman/templates/*.txt': No existe el fichero o el directorio
> /usr/bin/install: no se puede efectuar `stat' sobre `*.txt': No existe el fichero o el directorio
> make[1]: *** [install] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/mailman-2.0.13/templates'
> make: *** [doinstall] Error 2

    Now this...  Here's what's happening:

    The install script checks to see if you don't already have a previous installation, and tries to move the old files away prior to installing newer ones.  However, since you don't have an older install, the 'mv' command fails.  Now why it's
actually quitting on you, that may be specific to your distribution.  On my system when it fails, it ignores the error and continues on.  I don't know what's the best solution here, but it could be something as simple as creating two blank
files, but Mailman should test for the file existence first, before blindly 'mv'-ing things.  Just my opinion.

    Barry?  Anyone else who has in the past run up against this problem?

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From mariagarciasuarez at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 20 22:37:24 2002
From: mariagarciasuarez at yahoo.com (Maria Garcia Suarez)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:37:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Error installing 2.0.13
In-Reply-To: <3D8B83CA.D082D4BC@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <20020920203724.93660.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi there!

--- "Ashley M. Kirchner" <ashley at pcraft.com> wrote:
> Maria Garcia Suarez wrote:

> 
> > /who really apologises for disturbing so much...
> :-(
> > and apreciates your help a lot
> 
>     You're not disturbing.  You're asking for help -
> anyone is allowed to do that.

Ashley, thanks a lot for all your help :-)

> > mv: no se puede efectuar `stat' sobre
> `/home/mailman/templates/*.html': No existe el
> fichero o el directorio
> > /usr/bin/install: no se puede efectuar `stat'
> sobre `*.html': No existe el fichero o el directorio
> > mv: no se puede efectuar `stat' sobre
> `/home/mailman/templates/*.txt': No existe el
> fichero o el directorio
> > /usr/bin/install: no se puede efectuar `stat'
> sobre `*.txt': No existe el fichero o el directorio
> > make[1]: *** [install] Error 1
> > make[1]: Leaving directory
> `/usr/local/src/mailman-2.0.13/templates'
> > make: *** [doinstall] Error 2
>     Now this...  Here's what's happening:
> 
>     The install script checks to see if you don't
> already have a previous installation, and tries to
> move the old files away prior to installing newer
> ones.  However, since you don't have an older
> install, the 'mv' command fails.  Now why it's
> actually quitting on you, that may be specific to
> your distribution.  On my system when it fails, it
> ignores the error and continues on.  I don't know
> what's the best solution here, but it could be
> something as simple as creating two blank
> files, but Mailman should test for the file
> existence first, before blindly 'mv'-ing things. 
> Just my opinion.

Just a comment: as I saw those errors I didn't check
if everything was Ok, but after reading your mail I
did, I went to $prefix and bin/check'ed_perms and
system answered "No problems found" :-)

In the page I see that that doesn't mean that
everything is working perfectly well but at least is
better than the errors I got at the begining :-)

I keep on moving forward, I am already at
http://www.list.org/install-final.html

I hope not to disturb more O:-)

Thanks to all of you for your helps :-)

Kisses,

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Sep 20 22:46:23 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:46:23 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Error installing 2.0.13
References: <20020920203724.93660.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3D8B891F.5552A468@pcraft.com>

Maria Garcia Suarez wrote:

> Just a comment: as I saw those errors I didn't check
> if everything was Ok, but after reading your mail I
> did, I went to $prefix and bin/check'ed_perms and
> system answered "No problems found" :-)

    That just checks for permissions.  Based on your previous error message,
none of the templates were copied over as they should have, so your installation
isn't exactly complete yet.  You will see errors once you start using your
installation.

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From mariagarciasuarez at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 20 22:58:45 2002
From: mariagarciasuarez at yahoo.com (Maria Garcia Suarez)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:58:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Error installing 2.0.13
In-Reply-To: <3D8B891F.5552A468@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <20020920205845.13997.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi there!

--- "Ashley M. Kirchner" <ashley at pcraft.com> wrote:
> Maria Garcia Suarez wrote:
> 
> > Just a comment: as I saw those errors I didn't
> check
> > if everything was Ok, but after reading your mail
> I
> > did, I went to $prefix and bin/check'ed_perms and
> > system answered "No problems found" :-)
> 
>     That just checks for permissions.  Based on your
> previous error message,
> none of the templates were copied over as they
> should have, so your installation
> isn't exactly complete yet.  You will see errors
> once you start using your
> installation.

Unfortunatelly you are right....

newlist script fails at its end... I'll try to copy
from the source to the templates location.... just to
try, let's hope it works :-)

Kisses,

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From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Fri Sep 20 23:16:19 2002
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:16:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend?
References: <006101c260c1$599707e0$1c01a8c0@voda> <12165.1032538543@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <3D8B9023.44DC6214@whidbey.com>

When I first was investigating Mailman I read enough of the site to see that
Postfix was probably the best bet. It sounded like Barry was running it, which
meant that Mailman would always work with Postfix! So I installed RedHat and
Postfix, and then setup Mailman.

I still run Sendmail for my main mailserver, although I sometimes wish I didn't,
but as complex as Sendmail is I'm very glad I could make the Mailman setup so
simple by putting it in a box with Postfix.

Van

J C Lawrence wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:18:25 +0100
> Angel Gabriel <badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > What would be a better MTA to use? Any recommendations?
>
> Please see the FAQ:
>
>   http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>
> As stated there I generically recommend both Exim and Postfix, for the
> reasons stated there.
>
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From mariagarciasuarez at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 20 23:18:35 2002
From: mariagarciasuarez at yahoo.com (Maria Garcia Suarez)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:18:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Error installing 2.0.13
In-Reply-To: <20020920205845.13997.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20020920211835.18071.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi there!

--- Maria Garcia Suarez <mariagarciasuarez at yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Hi there!
> 
> --- "Ashley M. Kirchner" <ashley at pcraft.com> wrote:
> > Maria Garcia Suarez wrote:
> > 
> > > Just a comment: as I saw those errors I didn't
> > check
> > > if everything was Ok, but after reading your
> mail
> > I
> > > did, I went to $prefix and bin/check'ed_perms
> and
> > > system answered "No problems found" :-)
> > 
> >     That just checks for permissions.  Based on
> your
> > previous error message,
> > none of the templates were copied over as they
> > should have, so your installation
> > isn't exactly complete yet.  You will see errors
> > once you start using your
> > installation.
> 
> Unfortunatelly you are right....
> 
> newlist script fails at its end... I'll try to copy
> from the source to the templates location.... just
> to
> try, let's hope it works :-)

Now everything seems to work fine... except for one
little thing.... I've ended up where I was some days
ago when I joined the list :-(

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/msg12125.html

I haven't checked the log files cause I too tired to
do that but I guess they are the same that the ones I
send some days ago :-(  I don't get mails, they get
locked in the system. I even don't receive the first
one, the one that notifies that a new list has been
created....

After the long trip I have the problem I had.....

Anyone knows where the problem is? Thx! :-)

I'll not stop until I manage to make it work. I didn't
walk such a long path to stop in the middle of nowhere
:-)

Thanks for all your help! :-)

Kisses,

Maria G Suarez


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From barry at python.org  Fri Sep 20 23:39:04 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:39:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner caught SIGINT.  Stopping.
References: <p05111b04b9b1267809b5@[128.3.132.186]>
Message-ID: <15755.38264.871511.349715@anthem.wooz.org>

That qrunner log is completely normal.  It's what you expect from a
"mailmanctl restart".

-Barry



From barry at python.org  Fri Sep 20 23:47:15 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:47:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend?
References: <006101c260c1$599707e0$1c01a8c0@voda>
	<12165.1032538543@kanga.nu>
	<3D8B9023.44DC6214@whidbey.com>
Message-ID: <15755.38755.116094.542541@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "GAVH" == G Armour Van Horn <vanhorn at whidbey.com> writes:

    GAVH> It sounded like Barry was running it, which meant that
    GAVH> Mailman would always work with Postfix!

While I'd like to ensure that Mailman continues to run well with all
the major mail servers, I do indeed run Postfix on my personal
domains, and most of the test h/w I use.  However we use Exim4 on
python.org/zope.org so making sure it plays nice with both is a top
priority for us.  I'll also note that Greg Ward does most of the
down-and-dirty postmastering on py.org and has some really excellent
scripts and extensions which he maintains on the elspy project on SF.
He keeps tempting me with his cool stuff enough and I might have to
switch one day (having a Python interpreter running in your MTA is my
definition of cool :).

That's not to denegrate or neglect sendmail or qmail, since I'm
officially agnostic on the subject.  The Python Starship ran qmail
until Greg recently took over postmastering that machine, and sendmail
is still very widely used of course.  My hacking time is fairly
limited though and I'd rather spend time getting MM2.1 to completion
than futzing with MTAs all the time, so I occasionally need the
community's help to keep us honest.

-Barry



From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Sat Sep 21 00:57:40 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:57:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Stopping PGP signatures
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020920115213.0211f350@mail.asis.org>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020920115213.0211f350@mail.asis.org>
Message-ID: <20020920225740.GW16913@hq.newdream.net>

Richard Hill wrote:

> Apologies if this has been covered.  I didn't find it in list threads or 
> FAQs.
> 
> Is the a way to strip PGP signatures from messages?  Will Mime stripping 
> software take care of this as well?

Demime / stripmime etc. will strip PGP/MIME sigs but won't strip
traditional (clearsigned) messages.

I believe this is probably the behavior you want.

Given the fact that most MUAs do not support PGP/MIME and many can't
read PGP/MIME messages at all, I don't think that demiming this type of
attachment is a bad idea at all.

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From carmoda at zip.com.au  Sat Sep 21 04:12:14 2002
From: carmoda at zip.com.au (Anthony Carmody)
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:12:14 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] un-subscription problems
Message-ID: <006801c26114$600389c0$6700a8c0@interfa.office>

Hi,

I have a problem with users being able to unsubscribe from a closed mailing list I run. [closed: admin can post, users
can't etc]

basically whenever users try to send mail to the list to 'unsubscribe' their mails are intercepted by the admin filter
and consequently do not get removed from the list.

How can I set mailman so that users can unsubscribe with out being able to post messages to the list?


Carmoda
www.AnthonyCarmody.com
Token Email Signature Witticism etc.




From ricksnyder at cox.net  Sat Sep 21 04:36:14 2002
From: ricksnyder at cox.net (ricksnyder at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:36:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List hosting recommendations please?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020920212747.0264d260@pop.central.cox.net>

I'm looking for a reasonably-priced hosting service for an active 
800-member discussion list.  We'd really like to have a searchable web 
archive.  I don't have the technical knowledge to set up or administer the 
site.  Majordomo and LISTSERV are familiar to me, but I haven't yet run a 
Mailman list.  Can anyone recommend a good host?

Thanks!

Rick Snyder




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Sep 21 04:53:27 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 20 Sep 2002 22:53:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] un-subscription problems
In-Reply-To: <006801c26114$600389c0$6700a8c0@interfa.office>
References: <006801c26114$600389c0$6700a8c0@interfa.office>
Message-ID: <1032576808.1642.25.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Are they sending the mail to <list>@domain.com or to
<list>-request at domain.com?

On Fri, 2002-09-20 at 22:12, Anthony Carmody wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a problem with users being able to unsubscribe from a closed mailing list I run. [closed: admin can post, users
> can't etc]
> 
> basically whenever users try to send mail to the list to 'unsubscribe' their mails are intercepted by the admin filter
> and consequently do not get removed from the list.
> 
> How can I set mailman so that users can unsubscribe with out being able to post messages to the list?
> 
> 
> Carmoda
> www.AnthonyCarmody.com
> Token Email Signature Witticism etc.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/





From carmoda at zip.com.au  Sat Sep 21 06:57:42 2002
From: carmoda at zip.com.au (Anthony Carmody)
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:57:42 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] un-subscription problems
References: <006801c26114$600389c0$6700a8c0@interfa.office> <1032576808.1642.25.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <017e01c2612b$7eea5690$6700a8c0@interfa.office>

ok,

list members who were automatically subscribed have no password, so how can they unsubscribe?
I have tired sending mail to the request address without the password the subject field like so: unsubscribe
subscribed at domain.com and I only receive this:
>>>>> You gave the wrong password.
is there a default or some work around?

re: answer to last question: there was a different 'reply to' address specified in the mailing list's Admins email
client.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
To: "Anthony Carmody" <carmoda at interfaceergonomics.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] un-subscription problems


: Are they sending the mail to <list>@domain.com or to
: <list>-request at domain.com?
:
: On Fri, 2002-09-20 at 22:12, Anthony Carmody wrote:
: > Hi,
: >
: > I have a problem with users being able to unsubscribe from a closed mailing list I run. [closed: admin can post,
users
: > can't etc]
: >
: > basically whenever users try to send mail to the list to 'unsubscribe' their mails are intercepted by the admin
filter
: > and consequently do not get removed from the list.
: >
: > How can I set mailman so that users can unsubscribe with out being able to post messages to the list?
: >
: >
: > Carmoda
: > www.AnthonyCarmody.com
: > Token Email Signature Witticism etc.
: >
: >
: > ------------------------------------------------------
: > Mailman-Users mailing list
: > Mailman-Users at python.org
: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
: > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
: > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
:
:
:
: ------------------------------------------------------
: Mailman-Users mailing list
: Mailman-Users at python.org
: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
: Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
: Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
:




From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Sep 21 07:27:48 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:27:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman support a MySQL backend? 
In-Reply-To: Message from barry@python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) 
   of "Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:47:15 EDT." <15755.38755.116094.542541@anthem.wooz.org> 
References: <006101c260c1$599707e0$1c01a8c0@voda> <12165.1032538543@kanga.nu> <3D8B9023.44DC6214@whidbey.com>  <15755.38755.116094.542541@anthem.wooz.org> 
Message-ID: <19296.1032586068@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:47:15 -0400 
Barry A Warsaw <barry at python.org> wrote:

> ...he maintains on the elspy project on SF.

You know, eslpy would make a wicked TMDA integration base...

-- 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Sep 21 15:28:59 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 21 Sep 2002 09:28:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] un-subscription problems
In-Reply-To: <017e01c2612b$7eea5690$6700a8c0@interfa.office>
References: <006801c26114$600389c0$6700a8c0@interfa.office>
	<1032576808.1642.25.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> 
	<017e01c2612b$7eea5690$6700a8c0@interfa.office>
Message-ID: <1032614940.1633.39.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

You can create a simple script that unsubscribes the sender and activate
it via an email address (<list>-unsub at domain.com).  Check out the
archives of this list for several canned scripts that will do this for
you (someone just sent theirs last week).

The setup is easy, create an email address and alias it to your script.
If your MTA uses smrsh, then you'll need to include a link to the script
in your smrsh directory.
The script would basically use one or more of the mailman commands in
~mailman/bin/.. 

Good Luck - Jon Carnes
On Sat, 2002-09-21 at 00:57, Anthony Carmody wrote:
> ok,
> 
> list members who were automatically subscribed have no password, so how can they unsubscribe?
> I have tired sending mail to the request address without the password the subject field like so: unsubscribe
> subscribed at domain.com and I only receive this:
> >>>>> You gave the wrong password.
> is there a default or some work around?
> 
> re: answer to last question: there was a different 'reply to' address specified in the mailing list's Admins email
> client.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> To: "Anthony Carmody" <carmoda at interfaceergonomics.com>
> Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 12:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] un-subscription problems
> 
> 
> : Are they sending the mail to <list>@domain.com or to
> : <list>-request at domain.com?
> :
> : On Fri, 2002-09-20 at 22:12, Anthony Carmody wrote:
> : > Hi,
> : >
> : > I have a problem with users being able to unsubscribe from a closed mailing list I run. [closed: admin can post,
> users
> : > can't etc]
> : >
> : > basically whenever users try to send mail to the list to 'unsubscribe' their mails are intercepted by the admin
> filter
> : > and consequently do not get removed from the list.
> : >
> : > How can I set mailman so that users can unsubscribe with out being able to post messages to the list?
> : >
> : >
> : > Carmoda
> : > www.AnthonyCarmody.com
> : > Token Email Signature Witticism etc.
> : >
> : >
> : > ------------------------------------------------------
> : > Mailman-Users mailing list
> : > Mailman-Users at python.org
> : > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> : > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> : > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> :
> :
> :
> : ------------------------------------------------------
> : Mailman-Users mailing list
> : Mailman-Users at python.org
> : http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> : Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> : Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> :
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/





From jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org  Sun Sep 22 00:20:50 2002
From: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org (Jim Hale)
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:20:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Send Questions or Comments Email Address
Message-ID: <003801c261bd$24770bd0$fa010a0a@HALE.local>

I just reinstalled Mailman 2.1b3, but this time on an SME Server (not
that I think it makes any difference) and on the page that shows the
available lists, there's the line 'Send questions or comments to
mailman at halemail.dyndns.org.' - Where can I change that address? I
haven't done this in a while and it escapes me where this address is.

Thanks! :)

Jim Hale
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From marklists at mceahern.com  Sun Sep 22 02:29:28 2002
From: marklists at mceahern.com (Mark McEahern)
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:29:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] message url in footer
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020921110831.02e140d0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
Message-ID: <JHEOKEOOLIGLDHCMAHMOEEHBEAAA.marklists@mceahern.com>

[JC Dill [mailto:lists at vo.cnchost.com]]
> Why?  They HAVE the message, why would they want the archive URL?

To refer others to it.  To save a reference to it without saving the message
itself.  Look at the Dr. Dobb's Python URL--e.g.,

  http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2002-September/121334.html

which offers a weekly summary of threads on comp.lang.python.  Actually, the
above reference is interesting because since I've been receiving the Dr.
Dobb's Python URL, this is one of the first NOT to include references to the
messages summarized.

Thanks,

// mark




From jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org  Sun Sep 22 02:33:54 2002
From: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org (Jim Hale)
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:33:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing '-bounce' and 'On Behalf of'
Message-ID: <009901c261cf$bb1c8c10$fa010a0a@HALE.local>

Running Mailman 2.1b3.

I created a Mailing List called 'Soundfonts' and when a message is sent
to the list, it comes to the other people as:

soundfonts-bounces at halemail.dyndns.org on behalf of Jim
[jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org]

Is there a way to take off the Email of the person that sent the message
to the list and also to remove the -bounces? I just think it would be
cleaner if it just had soundfonts at halemail.dyndns.org in the from
instead of all the other stuff.

Thanks! :)

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From rickyv at apc.edu.ph  Tue Sep 17 07:02:22 2002
From: rickyv at apc.edu.ph (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ricky_John_L._Villari=F1a?=)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:02:22 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] password problem in mailman 2.0.8
Message-ID: <001d01c25e07$684aa6a0$6a016a0a@apc.edu.ph>

Is there anybody who could help me regarding the password for newly-created mailing list?  I was able to create a new mailing list but when I try to access the properties of that mailing list, I was being denied because of authentication failure.  Is there any way to reset its password.  It seems that the password that the system mailed to me doesn't work.  Anybody?  thanks!!
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From ark28 at hermes.cam.ac.uk  Wed Sep 18 16:14:21 2002
From: ark28 at hermes.cam.ac.uk (Andy Kimber)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:14:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help -> subscribers do not receive mail sent to test list
Message-ID: <NDEKIMJLKBNGEIOBDFOJGEPGCAAA.ark28@hermes.cam.ac.uk>

Have just set up mailman on solaris - all ok - sets up a test list ok, can
change all the options using the web pages, and new members receive welcome
emails etc.  However, when posting mail to the list it just seems to
dissappear, never to be seen again - this is very mysterious and
frustrating!  Any help much appreciated...


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Andrew Kimber




From rancherm at bgumail.bgu.ac.il  Thu Sep 19 11:23:16 2002
From: rancherm at bgumail.bgu.ac.il (Ran Chermesh)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:23:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages appearing twice
Message-ID: <000801c25fbe$3c614db0$358f4884@RANHOME>

Hi,

I'm the owner of an academic department's listserv. Whenever I post a
message, it appears twice, once as a text message and then as a html
document,

How can I avoid this nuisance?

 

Ran

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From curryoday at trekspot.com  Fri Sep 20 04:53:23 2002
From: curryoday at trekspot.com (Trek*Spot Webmaster)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:53:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing options help
Message-ID: <004701c26050$e2ba1010$0d4efea9@Main>

I'm using mailman for a mailing list on my site.  Is there an address subscribers can mail to to unsubscribe (i.e. unsubscribe-list at domain.com)?  Also, can I write a cgi form for subscription?

Curry O'Day
Trek*Spot Webmaster
http://www.trekspot.com
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From bash at eece.unm.edu  Fri Sep 20 18:37:41 2002
From: bash at eece.unm.edu (B. Ash)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:37:41 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim 4 configuration file, and mailman 2.0.13
Message-ID: <3D8B4ED5.4010604@eece.unm.edu>

Hi

I am sure this has been asked before.  I am having trouble getting Exim 
version 4 to work with mailman.  I have it running with version 3.xx, 
and have used the conversion utility, but no dice.  Any help would be 
appreciated.


Thanks

--bash




From mzlittle at adelphia.net  Fri Sep 20 21:08:07 2002
From: mzlittle at adelphia.net (Zach)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:08:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman limitations?
Message-ID: <KHEFIEHKJPOMMGKKEOMFCEHOCEAA.mzlittle@adelphia.net>

I'm looking for a mailing list manager that will not choke on a user base of
5000 - 10000 recipients. I have just opened the mailman homepage for the
first time and did not see anything on performance. Could you shed some
light on the subject?


Thanks in advance
Zach




From philip.reynolds at rfc-networks.ie  Fri Sep 20 22:53:22 2002
From: philip.reynolds at rfc-networks.ie (Philip Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:53:22 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription options help
In-Reply-To: <20020920091233.B11339@ssc.com>; from dan@ssc.com on Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 09:12:33AM -0700
References: <200209200031.19115.rhorer@swbell.net> <FMELKIGJMCKDEONBJEDGCEOOEDAA.jimpop@rocketship.com> <20020920091233.B11339@ssc.com>
Message-ID: <20020920205322.A71145@rfc-networks.ie>

Dan Wilder <dan at ssc.com> 79 lines of wisdom included:
> > > Do you know how easy it is to spoof email?  That's the valid reason
> > > Mailman requires a password even when unsubscribing via email.
> 
> No it isn't.  
> 
> Do you know how easy it is to kick down the door of a house and steal
> the stereo?   That's not valid reason in and of itself for all of us
> to install ten-foot cyclone fences with razor wire.

Ridiculous analogy, your sample case is illegal, unsubscribing
someone from a mailing list is an annoyance. 

Plenty of people prefer to be an annoyance to others, however not at
the expense of their own selfish needs (i.e. they don't want to pay
a fine after it, or go to jail, or be charged or whatever). 

It will not take a genius to realise that it's very easy to
unsubscribe and once someone on the list realises you can fake mail
headers quite easily, there's a possibility you'll have anarchy.

Stop this in the first place, and INFORM your users.

Instead of pointing them to the mailman unsubscribe page, point them
to a custom made page of your design, which explains exactly what
you want to tell them (how to get their password, and *then*
unsubscribe etc. etc.)

-- 
Philip Reynolds                      | RFC Networks Ltd.
philip.reynolds at rfc-networks.ie      | +353 (0)1 8832063
http://people.rfc-networks.ie/~phil  | www.rfc-networks.ie



From les at 2pi.org  Fri Sep 20 22:56:52 2002
From: les at 2pi.org (Les Niles)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:56:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #2262 - 13 msgs
In-Reply-To: <20020920171711.1157.69338.Mailman@mail.python.org>
	(mailman-users-request@python.org)
References: <20020920171711.1157.69338.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <200209202056.NAA26578@mutiny.2pi.org>

MimeDel (content filtering in Mailman >= 2.1b2) will remove vcards;
just set text/x-vcard as one of the filter_mime_types.  I wrote
MimeDel to deal with HTML junk, but getting rid of these bits of
Microsoft virus is a nice fringe benefit.

  -les

"John Jones" <johnj at ActiveState.com> wrote:
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>> >> Is the a way to strip PGP signatures from messages?  Will Mime
>> >> stripping
>> >> software take care of this as well?
>
>> > I don't think you want this.
>> > So why do you want to stripoff privacy things?
>
>> PGP is a good thing.
>
>Okay, lets put this another way, then:
>
>How does one strip MS Office vcard attachments that salespeople and others
>tend to attach to -every- email as an attachment of 15kb-45kb?  You know,
>the thing that has very little in it except for an 'attachment signature'
>and contact information?  Who uses those things, anyway? ;)
>
>I think the intent here is not to strip people of privacy, but to remove
>unwanted extra pump traffic from your mailman/mail server.
>
>
>John



From les at 2pi.org  Fri Sep 20 23:13:17 2002
From: les at 2pi.org (Les Niles)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:13:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stopping PGP signatures
In-Reply-To: <20020920171711.1157.69338.Mailman@mail.python.org>
	(mailman-users-request@python.org)
References: <20020920171711.1157.69338.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <200209202113.OAA26648@mutiny.2pi.org>

MimeDel (content filtering in Mailman >= 2.1b2) will remove vcards;
just set text/x-vcard as one of the filter_mime_types.  I wrote
MimeDel to deal with HTML junk, but getting rid of these bits of
Microsoft virus is a nice fringe benefit.

  -les

"John Jones" <johnj at ActiveState.com> wrote:
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>> >> Is the a way to strip PGP signatures from messages?  Will Mime
>> >> stripping
>> >> software take care of this as well?
>
>> > I don't think you want this.
>> > So why do you want to stripoff privacy things?
>
>> PGP is a good thing.
>
>Okay, lets put this another way, then:
>
>How does one strip MS Office vcard attachments that salespeople and others
>tend to attach to -every- email as an attachment of 15kb-45kb?  You know,
>the thing that has very little in it except for an 'attachment signature'
>and contact information?  Who uses those things, anyway? ;)
>
>I think the intent here is not to strip people of privacy, but to remove
>unwanted extra pump traffic from your mailman/mail server.
>
>
>John



From mellonm at watauga.k12.nc.us  Sat Sep 21 03:28:28 2002
From: mellonm at watauga.k12.nc.us (Matthew Mellon)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:28:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dead mailman installation
Message-ID: <sd8b9306.005@mail.watauga.k12.nc.us>

I installed Mailman 2.0.8 on a RHL 6.2 machine what seems like years ago at school. I have since graduated and moved on, but my old frat still gives me a tech support call once in a while. Since then, it has hummed along without a kink until tuesday. For some reason, messages are no longer being deliveres. Senmail is my MTA. I checked my maillog and messages are being piped to wrapper, but they do not show up in the posts log. In fact, none of the Mailman logs even get touched. Sendmail is not producing errors. I checked all of the obvious things, ran check_perms and check_db, disk space is fine... I am totally baffled. Any thoughts?



From kimzhouse at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 21 16:46:57 2002
From: kimzhouse at yahoo.com (Kim Bruton)
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 07:46:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forgotten password
Message-ID: <20020921144657.22444.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com>


I forgot the password to administer my list.  How do I reset it?  My list throught hostway.com.  Website: www.creatorcorp.com. List:chakraseminar.lists.creatorcorp.com.

Thanks.



---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
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From carmoda at zip.com.au  Sun Sep 22 03:58:54 2002
From: carmoda at zip.com.au (Anthony Carmody)
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:58:54 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help -> subscribers do not receive mail sent to test list
References: <NDEKIMJLKBNGEIOBDFOJGEPGCAAA.ark28@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <005901c261db$afbdf870$6700a8c0@interfa.office>

i had this problem on solaris myself, double check your mailman specific email aliases. 
make sure they are loaded etc. 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Kimber" <ark28 at hermes.cam.ac.uk>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 12:14 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help -> subscribers do not receive mail sent to test list


: Have just set up mailman on solaris - all ok - sets up a test list ok, can
: change all the options using the web pages, and new members receive welcome
: emails etc.  However, when posting mail to the list it just seems to
: dissappear, never to be seen again - this is very mysterious and
: frustrating!  Any help much appreciated...
: 
: 
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: Andrew Kimber
: 
: 
: ------------------------------------------------------
: Mailman-Users mailing list
: Mailman-Users at python.org
: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
: Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
: Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
: 




From bills at right-net.com  Sun Sep 22 05:16:17 2002
From: bills at right-net.com (Bill Selmeier)
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 20:16:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] password problem in mailman 2.0.8
In-Reply-To: <001d01c25e07$684aa6a0$6a016a0a@apc.edu.ph>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209212013290.25977-100000@mast.right-net.com>

Since you appear to be an administrator for Mailman (versus just for a
particular list) you can use the site administrator's password to sign
onto any list.  Then reset the list administrator's password at the bottom
of the first page.

Bill Selmeier


On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, [iso-8859-1] Ricky John L. Villari?a wrote:

> Is there anybody who could help me regarding the password for
> newly-created mailing list?  I was able to create a new mailing list
> but when I try to access the properties of that mailing list, I was
> being denied because of authentication failure.  Is there any way to
> reset its password.  It seems that the password that the system mailed
> to me doesn't work.  Anybody?  thanks!!
>




From bills at right-net.com  Sun Sep 22 05:19:53 2002
From: bills at right-net.com (Bill Selmeier)
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 20:19:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forgotten password
In-Reply-To: <20020921144657.22444.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209212016570.25977-100000@mast.right-net.com>

Contact the Mailman lists administrator at hostway.com and ask him to
reset your lists password something you ask him for.  Then after he does,
sign on and change it to something only you know.

*********************************************************************
Bill Selmeier		20720 Maureen Way	voice  (408)257-7670
GroupLeader 		Saratoga, CA 95070	mobile (408)655-3400
Internet Developer   http://www.inetdevgrp.org  bill at inetdevgrp.org
RightNet, Inc.	     http://www.right-net.com	bills at right-net.com

On Sat, 21 Sep 2002, Kim Bruton wrote:

>
> I forgot the password to administer my list.  How do I reset it?  My list throught hostway.com.  Website: www.creatorcorp.com. List:chakraseminar.lists.creatorcorp.com.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!




From dan at ssc.com  Sun Sep 22 05:39:27 2002
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 20:39:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription options help
In-Reply-To: <20020920205322.A71145@rfc-networks.ie>
References: <200209200031.19115.rhorer@swbell.net> <FMELKIGJMCKDEONBJEDGCEOOEDAA.jimpop@rocketship.com> <20020920091233.B11339@ssc.com> <20020920205322.A71145@rfc-networks.ie>
Message-ID: <20020921203927.A12672@ssc.com>

On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 08:53:22PM +0000, Philip Reynolds wrote:
> Dan Wilder <dan at ssc.com> 79 lines of wisdom included:
> > > > Do you know how easy it is to spoof email?  That's the valid reason
> > > > Mailman requires a password even when unsubscribing via email.
> > 
> > No it isn't.  
> > 
> > Do you know how easy it is to kick down the door of a house and steal
> > the stereo?   That's not valid reason in and of itself for all of us
> > to install ten-foot cyclone fences with razor wire.
> 
> Ridiculous analogy, your sample case is illegal, unsubscribing
> someone from a mailing list is an annoyance. 

You miss my point point rather sadly.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
 Dan Wilder <dan at ssc.com>   Technical Manager
 SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549   Phone:  206-782-8808
 Seattle, WA  98155-0549    URL http://www.linuxjournal.com/
-----------------------------------------------------------------



From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Sep 22 05:39:43 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 20:39:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman limitations? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Zach" <mzlittle@adelphia.net> 
   of "Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:08:07 PDT." <KHEFIEHKJPOMMGKKEOMFCEHOCEAA.mzlittle@adelphia.net> 
References: <KHEFIEHKJPOMMGKKEOMFCEHOCEAA.mzlittle@adelphia.net> 
Message-ID: <29526.1032665983@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:08:07 -0700 
mzlittle  <Zach> wrote:

> I'm looking for a mailing list manager that will not choke on a user
> base of 5000 - 10000 recipients. I have just opened the mailman
> homepage for the first time and did not see anything on
> performance. Could you shed some light on the subject?

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py 

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Sep 22 05:16:26 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 21 Sep 2002 23:16:26 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] un-subscription problems
In-Reply-To: <000701c261d1$19b70880$0d4efea9@Main>
References: 
	<006801c26114$600389c0$6700a8c0@interfa.office><1032576808.1642.25.camel@Ann
	 cons.nc.rr.com> <017e01c2612b$7eea5690$6700a8c0@interfa.office>
	<1032614940.1633.39.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> 
	<000701c261d1$19b70880$0d4efea9@Main>
Message-ID: <1032664586.1642.14.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Sat, 2002-09-21 at 20:43, Trek*Spot Webmaster wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm the one who started this thread on unsubscribing, and your idea sounds
> good.  How exactly can I go about setting this up?  (I'm completely new to
> MailMan.)
> 
> Curry O'Day
> Trek*Spot Webmaster
> http://www.trekspot.com
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> To: "Anthony Carmody" <carmoda at interfaceergonomics.com>
> Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 9:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] un-subscription problems
> 
>

There are a couple of ways of doing this. The easiest is to add the
email address to a file and then let a mailman script (activated via an
hourly cron job) unsubscribe the user.

You should be able to modify the scripts below to write a mail Script to
collect the emails into a file, and a mailman script to pull the email
addresses out of the list.

===
A client wanted it to happen immediately so I wrote this (the email
addresses have been changed to protect the innocent):

 - In the aliases file, add an entry for the unsubscribe email:
     volleyball-unsub:  "|/home/mailman/ext/v-unsub"

 - Create the directory /home/mailman/ext
     mkdir /home/mailman/ext
     chown mail /home/mailman/ext
     chmod 0700 /home/mailman/ext

 - In /home/mailman/ext create the script "v-unsub":

#!/home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman
# This script runs as user mailman, but is only executable by user mail
# script to unsubscribe user from volleyball list
#   Mail to volleyball-unsub at haht.com
#   Subject: unsubscribe username at domain.com
UNSUB=`grep -i "Subject: " - |head -1`
for i in $UNSUB
do
   /home/mailman/bin/remove_members volleyball $i
done
# End of script


 - Make the script executable:
     chmod a+x /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub

 - In the /etc/smrsh directory:
     ln -s /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub v-unsub

 - Copy and modify bash so that it runs as user mailman:
     cp /bin/bash /home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman
     chown mailman.mailman /home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman
     chmod 0555 /home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman
     chmod u+s,g+s /home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman

===

The directory /home/mailman/ext has rights such that only the mail user
can 
access the files within.  The copied version of "bash" now called 
"bash_mailman" has it's ownership changed to mailman and then has it's
UID 
and GID bits set.  Any script that runs using it as a shell will now run
as 
the user mailman with group mailman.

Wahoo!
 
Hope this helps - Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Sep 22 05:24:57 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 21 Sep 2002 23:24:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dead mailman installation
In-Reply-To: <sd8b9306.005@mail.watauga.k12.nc.us>
References: <sd8b9306.005@mail.watauga.k12.nc.us>
Message-ID: <1032665098.1642.16.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Sounds like the Cron stopped.

On Fri, 2002-09-20 at 21:28, Matthew Mellon wrote:
> I installed Mailman 2.0.8 on a RHL 6.2 machine what seems like years ago at school. I have since graduated and moved on, but my old frat still gives me a tech support call once in a while. Since then, it has hummed along without a kink until tuesday. For some reason, messages are no longer being deliveres. Senmail is my MTA. I checked my maillog and messages are being piped to wrapper, but they do not show up in the posts log. In fact, none of the Mailman logs even get touched. Sendmail is not producing errors. I checked all of the obvious things, ran check_perms and check_db, disk space is fine... I am totally baffled. Any thoughts?
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/





From carmoda at zip.com.au  Sun Sep 22 06:53:00 2002
From: carmoda at zip.com.au (Anthony Carmody)
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:53:00 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] un-subscription problems
References: <006801c26114$600389c0$6700a8c0@interfa.office><1032576808.1642.25.camel@Ann cons.nc.rr.com> <017e01c2612b$7eea5690$6700a8c0@interfa.office><1032614940.1633.39.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> <000701c261d1$19b70880$0d4efea9@Main> <1032664586.1642.14.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <00bc01c261f4$0094c720$6700a8c0@interfa.office>

you know, I would be REALLY interested in a simple script invoked from a cron job, as I am on a virtual server and I
only have limited permissions & access etc.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
To: "Trek*Spot Webmaster" <curryoday at trekspot.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] un-subscription problems


: On Sat, 2002-09-21 at 20:43, Trek*Spot Webmaster wrote:
: > Hello,
: >
: > I'm the one who started this thread on unsubscribing, and your idea sounds
: > good.  How exactly can I go about setting this up?  (I'm completely new to
: > MailMan.)
: >
: > Curry O'Day
: > Trek*Spot Webmaster
: > http://www.trekspot.com
: >
: > ----- Original Message -----
: > From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
: > To: "Anthony Carmody" <carmoda at interfaceergonomics.com>
: > Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
: > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 9:28 AM
: > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] un-subscription problems
: >
: >
:
: There are a couple of ways of doing this. The easiest is to add the
: email address to a file and then let a mailman script (activated via an
: hourly cron job) unsubscribe the user.
:
: You should be able to modify the scripts below to write a mail Script to
: collect the emails into a file, and a mailman script to pull the email
: addresses out of the list.
:
: ===
: A client wanted it to happen immediately so I wrote this (the email
: addresses have been changed to protect the innocent):
:
:  - In the aliases file, add an entry for the unsubscribe email:
:      volleyball-unsub:  "|/home/mailman/ext/v-unsub"
:
:  - Create the directory /home/mailman/ext
:      mkdir /home/mailman/ext
:      chown mail /home/mailman/ext
:      chmod 0700 /home/mailman/ext
:
:  - In /home/mailman/ext create the script "v-unsub":
:
: #!/home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman
: # This script runs as user mailman, but is only executable by user mail
: # script to unsubscribe user from volleyball list
: #   Mail to volleyball-unsub at haht.com
: #   Subject: unsubscribe username at domain.com
: UNSUB=`grep -i "Subject: " - |head -1`
: for i in $UNSUB
: do
:    /home/mailman/bin/remove_members volleyball $i
: done
: # End of script
:
:
:  - Make the script executable:
:      chmod a+x /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub
:
:  - In the /etc/smrsh directory:
:      ln -s /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub v-unsub
:
:  - Copy and modify bash so that it runs as user mailman:
:      cp /bin/bash /home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman
:      chown mailman.mailman /home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman
:      chmod 0555 /home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman
:      chmod u+s,g+s /home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman
:
: ===
:
: The directory /home/mailman/ext has rights such that only the mail user
: can
: access the files within.  The copied version of "bash" now called
: "bash_mailman" has it's ownership changed to mailman and then has it's
: UID
: and GID bits set.  Any script that runs using it as a shell will now run
: as
: the user mailman with group mailman.
:
: Wahoo!
:
: Hope this helps - Jon Carnes
:
:
: ------------------------------------------------------
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:




From webneter at t-online.de  Sun Sep 22 14:49:47 2002
From: webneter at t-online.de (webneter at t-online.de)
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:49:47 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unkown mailer errror
Message-ID: <1032698067.3d8db8d3e01bc@webmail.t-online.de>

Hi list,

I just installed Mailman on a server, created the list test, sent a
request for subscription to the list "test" and  got a confirmation
request. Sending this confirmation to the server gets me an "unkown
mailer error". The wrapper program has the group-id of mailman compiled
in and the cgi-id of the webserver.
When I call the wrapper from the comandline like "./warpper mailcmd
test" and do a keyboard interrupt it allways stops by line 136 in
Mailman/pyhtonlib/rfc822.py readheaders line= slef.fp.readline().
Any help will be appreciated.
My system runs under linux with kernel 2.4.4 with sendmail 8.11.0-0.4.

Wolfgang



From mariagarciasuarez at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 22 20:40:43 2002
From: mariagarciasuarez at yahoo.com (Maria Garcia Suarez)
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:40:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uninstall Mailman
Message-ID: <20020922184043.97088.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi there!

I finally found the source of my problem, firewall was
blocking loopback interface :-(

Now I would like to uninstall Mailman 2.0.13 to
install it again using Debian's apt-get (Mailman's
version 2.0.11).

Can someone please tell me how to uninstall Mailman?

Thanks :-)

Kisses,

Maria G Suarez


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From bronto at csd-bes.net  Sun Sep 22 22:18:26 2002
From: bronto at csd-bes.net (bronto)
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 13:18:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What do these errors mean?
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020922131523.0202c0f0@sbdsl.com>

I'm running Mailamn v2.1b2, and just got these errors sent to my email:

_________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Cron <mailman at g3> /usr/bin/python2 -S 
/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 44, in ?
     from Mailman import MailList
ValueError: bad marshal data

Subject: Cron <mailman at g3> /usr/bin/python2 -S 
/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 44, in ?
     from Mailman import MailList
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 65, in ?
     from Mailman.OldStyleMemberships import OldStyleMemberships
ValueError: bad marshal data

__________________________________________________________________________
They came five minutes apart.  The reference to "gate" suggests to me that 
it might have something to do with newsgroup syncing, but I'm not doing any 
of that.

Thanks

Rob




From rancherm at bgumail.bgu.ac.il  Sun Sep 22 09:16:20 2002
From: rancherm at bgumail.bgu.ac.il (Ran Chermesh)
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 09:16:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages appearing twice
References: <000801c25fbe$3c614db0$358f4884@RANHOME> <200209220453.g8M4rTd27975@taranto.com>
Message-ID: <000801c26207$f4fc1710$388f4884@RANHOME>

Irwin,
    Thanks for your tip. I suspected so, but without your instruction I
wouldn't know how to solve the problem.
    I'm using Outlook Express and looks like I'm still in trouble. The
configuration OE offers is quite rigid. Either you use plain text or html.
(My mail specification is html). I would rather see an option to specify
format by contact, some contacts (meaning posting to listservs) using plain
text) while all other (meaning all others) - html.
    Do you know if such an option can be implemented?
    Otherwise, I would like to see this option configurable on the listserv
lever. Since I'm the owner of a list, I would configure my list as acceting
only plain text (preferrably, converting html postings to plain text). Is
there such an option?

                        Ran
= <=<=<=<=<=<=<=<=<=<=<=<=<=<=<=<================= Ran Chermesh, Behavioral
Sciences Dept., Ben-Gurion University PO Box 653 Beer-Sheva Israel 84105
Phones: Work: 972-8-647-2057 VoiceMail 09-742-4111/2050 Home:
972-8-642-2668, 972-8-610-1847 Israeli Fax: 972-8-647-2932 US fax:
(707)221-7935 (775)535-8909 Email: rancherm at bgumail.bgu.ac.il
<=<=<=<=<=<=<=<=<=<=<=<=<=<=<=<================= A conclusion is a place
where a person got tired of thinking Too often, due process is used to
promote abuse, instead of to prevent it
----- Original Message -----
From: "irwin" <irwin at taranto.com>
To: "Ran Chermesh" <rancherm at bgumail.bgu.ac.il>
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages appearing twice


> That is the way you are sending it to the list.   Change your email writer
> program options to write in plain text only and not in both text and html.
>
> Irwin
>
> On Thursday 19 September 2002 02:23 am, you wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm the owner of an academic department's listserv. Whenever I post a
> > message, it appears twice, once as a text message and then as a html
> > document,
> >
> > How can I avoid this nuisance?
> >
> >
> >
> > Ran
>




From clawson at jungle.ca  Mon Sep 23 02:25:04 2002
From: clawson at jungle.ca (Chris Lawson)
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:25:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] relocating archives
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209222021490.3248-100000@linux.jungle.ottawa.on.ca>

Hi.

I've recently moved my mailman from a compiled install to a RedHat rpm.

I kept all my lists and copied them to their new home, and all seems to 
work well, but for the following:

List ovac has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/ovac
List test has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/test

...I can't find where in the config files or the list configuration where 
you let mailman know where to find the archives.

I'm sure this is a no brainer for people who know what they're doing. I 
hope someone will take the trouble to help me out here.

cmkl

--
Chris Lawson
http://www.jungle.ca
clawson at jungle.ca




From dkatz at cs.utexas.edu  Mon Sep 23 03:04:19 2002
From: dkatz at cs.utexas.edu (Daniel Katz)
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:04:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] General Posting Filters (Privacy?)
Message-ID: <20020922200419.C9994@zorkmid.cs.utexas.edu>

We're using a current install of Mailman 2.0.6 and I tried going through
the diff logs to find if this bug (or is it a bug?) was fixed or not
with no success.  

I thought maybe you guys can shed some light on the subject.

I setup a list for archival purposes and want the whole world to be able
to post to it.  Reading through some of the user submitted documentation
I set the _General Posting Filters_ to reflect.

Must posts be approved by an administrator? -> No
Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only) -> No
Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list without implicit
approval requirement -> (Blank)

Is this just a 2.0.6 bug or is this an issue that has not been looked at.

Thanks in advance.

-dK




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Sep 23 03:21:35 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 22 Sep 2002 21:21:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] relocating archives
In-Reply-To: 
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0209222021490.3248-100000@linux.jungle.ottawa.on.ca>
References: 
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0209222021490.3248-100000@linux.jungle.ottawa.on.ca>
Message-ID: <1032744096.13293.563.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

It may be that those lists don't have any archives.  You can create the
directories by hand and then set the group rights properly (to remove
the error messages).

Jon Carnes

On Sun, 2002-09-22 at 20:25, Chris Lawson wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> I've recently moved my mailman from a compiled install to a RedHat rpm.
> 
> I kept all my lists and copied them to their new home, and all seems to 
> work well, but for the following:
> 
> List ovac has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/ovac
> List test has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/test
> 
> ...I can't find where in the config files or the list configuration where 
> you let mailman know where to find the archives.
> 
> I'm sure this is a no brainer for people who know what they're doing. I 
> hope someone will take the trouble to help me out here.
> 
> cmkl
> 
> --
> Chris Lawson
> http://www.jungle.ca
> clawson at jungle.ca
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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From carmoda at zip.com.au  Mon Sep 23 05:37:00 2002
From: carmoda at zip.com.au (Anthony Carmody)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:37:00 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: un-subscription problems
References: <006801c26114$600389c0$6700a8c0@interfa.office><1032576808.1642.25.camel@Ann cons.nc.rr.com> <017e01c2612b$7eea5690$6700a8c0@interfa.office><1032614940.1633.39.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> <000701c261d1$19b70880$0d4efea9@Main> <1032664586.1642.14.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <00d701c262b2$8de7e1c0$6700a8c0@interfa.office>

~gulp~ I am not a python programmer. and the users of the list needing the unsubscribe address are artists [do i need to
say more?]  ..and although I am not 'completely' new to Mailman, I have only had it on my system for a few months AND in
a moderately vanilla state. I lease a Virtual Server without smrsh that I can see, and I only have a pseudos-root
permission. I have virtual domains making it a little trickier. I have searched the archives and have not been able to
find anything that works for me as of yet.

I suppose what I need to know is: Is there a script [adding addresses to a temp file, hourly cron is fine] that someone
'has working' that they can post me that does not need smrsh and has the alias entries examples. preferably something
that I can pass the variables to like so:

<mailinlistname>-unsub:            "|/usr/lib/mailman/localbin/unsubscribe.sh <mailinlistname>- <virtualdomain>-"




----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
To: "Trek*Spot Webmaster" <curryoday at trekspot.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] un-subscription problems


: On Sat, 2002-09-21 at 20:43, Trek*Spot Webmaster wrote:
: > Hello,
: >
: > I'm the one who started this thread on unsubscribing, and your idea sounds
: > good.  How exactly can I go about setting this up?  (I'm completely new to
: > MailMan.)
: >
: > Curry O'Day
: > Trek*Spot Webmaster
: > http://www.trekspot.com
: >
: > ----- Original Message -----
: > From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
: > To: "Anthony Carmody" <carmoda at interfaceergonomics.com>
: > Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
: > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 9:28 AM
: > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] un-subscription problems
: >
: >
:
: There are a couple of ways of doing this. The easiest is to add the
: email address to a file and then let a mailman script (activated via an
: hourly cron job) unsubscribe the user.
:
: You should be able to modify the scripts below to write a mail Script to
: collect the emails into a file, and a mailman script to pull the email
: addresses out of the list.
:
: ===
: A client wanted it to happen immediately so I wrote this (the email
: addresses have been changed to protect the innocent):
:
:  - In the aliases file, add an entry for the unsubscribe email:
:      volleyball-unsub:  "|/home/mailman/ext/v-unsub"
:
:  - Create the directory /home/mailman/ext
:      mkdir /home/mailman/ext
:      chown mail /home/mailman/ext
:      chmod 0700 /home/mailman/ext
:
:  - In /home/mailman/ext create the script "v-unsub":
:
: #!/home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman
: # This script runs as user mailman, but is only executable by user mail
: # script to unsubscribe user from volleyball list
: #   Mail to volleyball-unsub at haht.com
: #   Subject: unsubscribe username at domain.com
: UNSUB=`grep -i "Subject: " - |head -1`
: for i in $UNSUB
: do
:    /home/mailman/bin/remove_members volleyball $i
: done
: # End of script
:
:
:  - Make the script executable:
:      chmod a+x /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub
:
:  - In the /etc/smrsh directory:
:      ln -s /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub v-unsub
:
:  - Copy and modify bash so that it runs as user mailman:
:      cp /bin/bash /home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman
:      chown mailman.mailman /home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman
:      chmod 0555 /home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman
:      chmod u+s,g+s /home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman
:
: ===
:
: The directory /home/mailman/ext has rights such that only the mail user
: can
: access the files within.  The copied version of "bash" now called
: "bash_mailman" has it's ownership changed to mailman and then has it's
: UID
: and GID bits set.  Any script that runs using it as a shell will now run
: as
: the user mailman with group mailman.
:
: Wahoo!
:
: Hope this helps - Jon Carnes
:
:
: ------------------------------------------------------
: Mailman-Users mailing list
: Mailman-Users at python.org
: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
: Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
: Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
:




From srai at zeomega.com  Mon Sep 23 09:10:34 2002
From: srai at zeomega.com (Sadananda B Rai)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:40:34 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID Error..
Message-ID: <NGBBIIAANKLIJPHHILNEIEIECAAA.srai@zeomega.com>

Hello All,
         I have configured mailman and I am running postfix. I am getting a
problem in adding aliases and once I send replay to mailman created lists I
get error as fallow....
Sep 23 17:15:51 mail Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED
gid 12, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)
I hope somebody can help me to solve this problem as the earliest. Thanks in
advance.....
Sadananda Rai




From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Mon Sep 23 10:35:44 2002
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 01:35:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing messages to archives
References: <NGBBIIAANKLIJPHHILNEIEIECAAA.srai@zeomega.com>
Message-ID: <3D8ED260.DD550876@whidbey.com>

Greetings,

I have been asked to possibly host a list previously kept in another system.
They would like to include archives from their existing list, and have the
messages in mbox format. The format appears to be compatible, but when I
appended a sample to one of my test lists the other messages were not added.

I'm guessing that there is one header that determines if an entry is added to
the archives, and that the additional messages I added to my test list weren't
displayed in the archives because they lacked that header. Can someone tell me
what the header is? If so, I can replace that header (or a similar one) from
their existing list with the header matching the name of their new list and
import it.

Thanks in advance,

Van


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From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Mon Sep 23 12:37:32 2002
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:37:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Oh no! Multiple Emails going out to people!
Message-ID: <00f601c262ed$39f0d190$1c01a8c0@voda>

I would like to know, how I can strip duplicate emails out of my subscriber
list. Apparently, multiple emails are being sent out to people, and I'm not
sure how to stop this. People are getting pissed off, and are complaining




From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Mon Sep 23 13:32:10 2002
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:32:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Was Does mailman support a MySQL backend? - Now MTA tweaking! 
In-Reply-To: <19030.1032584418@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <016501c262f4$db9a9b00$1c01a8c0@voda>

THREE T3's and a couple of T1's? Gees... you say that so causal! How can I
tell the performance of my server? I decided to send out my list over the
weekend... I came in today, *monday* and I found that a LOT of email boxes
had gotten repeat emails, and really pissed off my subscribers. And I don't
mean like two or three I mean REPEAT emails, like 12, 13. How can I found
out what caused this?

-----Original Message-----
From: J C Lawrence [mailto:claw at kanga.nu]
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 6:00 AM
To: Angel Gabriel
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Was Does mailman support a MySQL backend? -
Now MTA tweaking!


On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:25:01 +0100
Angel Gabriel <badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk> wrote:

> 1400 deliveries a minute? WOAH! What connection do you use??

Three T3s and a couple T1s.

> If that's the case with postfix, then my MTA is getting DELETED and
> replaced! even 500 deliveries a minute would be good, because that
> means around 200 minutes to deliver the lot.

Note that that rate is for responsive MXes only.

--
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.







From richter at jakota.de  Mon Sep 23 13:31:34 2002
From: richter at jakota.de (Felix Richter)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:31:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID Error..
Message-ID: <29CA1FAD385C1740A317235419B3FD1202BECA@chefkoch.jakota.de>

Please see
http://www.list.org/install-config.html
and take note of the --with-mail-gid option.
This is meant by "(Reconfigure to take 99?)".

-----Original Message-----
From: Sadananda B Rai [mailto:srai at zeomega.com]
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 9:11 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID Error..


Hello All,
         I have configured mailman and I am running postfix. I am getting a
problem in adding aliases and once I send replay to mailman created lists I
get error as fallow....
Sep 23 17:15:51 mail Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED
gid 12, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)
I hope somebody can help me to solve this problem as the earliest. Thanks in
advance.....
Sadananda Rai


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From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Mon Sep 23 14:08:47 2002
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:08:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Diagnosing duplicates [Was:Now MTA tweaking!]
In-Reply-To: <1032781915.1590.18.camel@gaspode.localnet>
Message-ID: <018601c262f9$f8f66030$1c01a8c0@voda>

Okay, this is a one way list, and I can't get hold of the dups. My email
didn't get any dups, so I can't check either, and I really DON'T want to
replicate it!! I'm going to assume that the problem is my end. If it's
mailman screwing up, how can I go about cleaning my list? And if it's my
MTA, how do I fix that??


-----Original Message-----
From: Nigel Metheringham
[mailto:Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 12:52 PM
To: Angel Gabriel
Cc: Mailman (E-mail)
Subject: Diagnosing duplicates [Was:Now MTA tweaking!]


Change in subject line - its a different thread...

On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 12:32, Angel Gabriel wrote:
> I decided to send out my list over the
> weekend... I came in today, *monday* and I found that a LOT of email boxes
> had gotten repeat emails, and really pissed off my subscribers. And I
don't
> mean like two or three I mean REPEAT emails, like 12, 13. How can I found
> out what caused this?

The answer is you need to get at least 2 of the duplicates (ideally all
the duplicates that reached a single address), with the full headers -
specifically you need the received lines.

You then compare the received headers on each one and work out where the
paths of the 2 mails diverged.

This could be:-
  - the original poster sent several copies (happens quite often)
    in this case you see the received lines are different
    at every stage
  - the senders MTA duplicated it
    (first - thats the bottom one in the message headers - received
    line is exactly the same, the rest are different).
  - mailman duplicated it
    (different received lines on the list delivery MTA)
  - the list delivery MTA duplicated it (subtly different)
  - someone's virus scanner reinjected it (they *must* die!!!)
  - someone's vacation mailer reinjected it (they must die and their
    whole domain be blocked - actually same applies for the virus
    scanner too).

There are other possibilities too... and never underestimate how
determined some idiots can be to loop your mail.

	Nigel.
--
[ Nigel Metheringham           Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ]
[ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ]







From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk  Mon Sep 23 13:51:54 2002
From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 23 Sep 2002 12:51:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Diagnosing duplicates [Was:Now MTA tweaking!]
In-Reply-To: <016501c262f4$db9a9b00$1c01a8c0@voda>
References: <016501c262f4$db9a9b00$1c01a8c0@voda>
Message-ID: <1032781915.1590.18.camel@gaspode.localnet>

Change in subject line - its a different thread...

On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 12:32, Angel Gabriel wrote:
> I decided to send out my list over the
> weekend... I came in today, *monday* and I found that a LOT of email boxes
> had gotten repeat emails, and really pissed off my subscribers. And I don't
> mean like two or three I mean REPEAT emails, like 12, 13. How can I found
> out what caused this?

The answer is you need to get at least 2 of the duplicates (ideally all
the duplicates that reached a single address), with the full headers -
specifically you need the received lines.

You then compare the received headers on each one and work out where the
paths of the 2 mails diverged.

This could be:-
  - the original poster sent several copies (happens quite often)
    in this case you see the received lines are different
    at every stage
  - the senders MTA duplicated it
    (first - thats the bottom one in the message headers - received
    line is exactly the same, the rest are different).
  - mailman duplicated it
    (different received lines on the list delivery MTA)
  - the list delivery MTA duplicated it (subtly different)
  - someone's virus scanner reinjected it (they *must* die!!!)
  - someone's vacation mailer reinjected it (they must die and their
    whole domain be blocked - actually same applies for the virus
    scanner too).

There are other possibilities too... and never underestimate how
determined some idiots can be to loop your mail.

	Nigel.
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From mike at CamaroSS.net  Mon Sep 23 15:40:31 2002
From: mike at CamaroSS.net (Mike Kercher)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 08:40:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Diagnosing duplicates [Was:Now MTA tweaking!]
In-Reply-To: <018601c262f9$f8f66030$1c01a8c0@voda>
Message-ID: <DMENLMJCICOCOGBMCNMFMEHBCEAA.mike@CamaroSS.net>

Take a look at your maillog and grep the duplicate email address...see if your end actually sent the message to user at dom.ain more
than once.


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Angel Gabriel
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 7:09 AM
To: 'Nigel Metheringham'
Cc: Mailman (E-mail)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Diagnosing duplicates [Was:Now MTA
tweaking!]


Okay, this is a one way list, and I can't get hold of the dups. My email
didn't get any dups, so I can't check either, and I really DON'T want to
replicate it!! I'm going to assume that the problem is my end. If it's
mailman screwing up, how can I go about cleaning my list? And if it's my
MTA, how do I fix that??


-----Original Message-----
From: Nigel Metheringham
[mailto:Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 12:52 PM
To: Angel Gabriel
Cc: Mailman (E-mail)
Subject: Diagnosing duplicates [Was:Now MTA tweaking!]


Change in subject line - its a different thread...

On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 12:32, Angel Gabriel wrote:
> I decided to send out my list over the
> weekend... I came in today, *monday* and I found that a LOT of email boxes
> had gotten repeat emails, and really pissed off my subscribers. And I
don't
> mean like two or three I mean REPEAT emails, like 12, 13. How can I found
> out what caused this?

The answer is you need to get at least 2 of the duplicates (ideally all
the duplicates that reached a single address), with the full headers -
specifically you need the received lines.

You then compare the received headers on each one and work out where the
paths of the 2 mails diverged.

This could be:-
  - the original poster sent several copies (happens quite often)
    in this case you see the received lines are different
    at every stage
  - the senders MTA duplicated it
    (first - thats the bottom one in the message headers - received
    line is exactly the same, the rest are different).
  - mailman duplicated it
    (different received lines on the list delivery MTA)
  - the list delivery MTA duplicated it (subtly different)
  - someone's virus scanner reinjected it (they *must* die!!!)
  - someone's vacation mailer reinjected it (they must die and their
    whole domain be blocked - actually same applies for the virus
    scanner too).

There are other possibilities too... and never underestimate how
determined some idiots can be to loop your mail.

	Nigel.
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From flavio at gral.com.br  Mon Sep 23 12:06:53 2002
From: flavio at gral.com.br (Flavio)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 07:06:53 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List stops after max number of messages in one hour
Message-ID: <NGBBKMCJFJOOJIELKIMDCEAICKAA.flavio@gral.com.br>

Dear Friends

My list default -> max number of messages in one hour is 5. I exceeded this.
My list stops and when I approve some new messages nothing happens (not
send).

I need your help

Fl?vio
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From geinitz at novalis-media.de  Mon Sep 23 15:51:16 2002
From: geinitz at novalis-media.de (Juergen Geinitz)
Date: 23 Sep 2002 15:51:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Diagnosing duplicates [Was:Now MTA
	tweaking!]
In-Reply-To: <DMENLMJCICOCOGBMCNMFMEHBCEAA.mike@CamaroSS.net>
References: <DMENLMJCICOCOGBMCNMFMEHBCEAA.mike@CamaroSS.net>
Message-ID: <1032789078.22441.6.camel@geinitz>

I once had this effect when my list was getting large. I found 
QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME expiring and therefore suddenly having
a second qrunner also processing the qfiles. My qrunner lock is now
about 30 hrs. and I did not have that problem since.

Regards
 Juergen

On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 15:40, Mike Kercher wrote:
> Take a look at your maillog and grep the duplicate email address...see if your end actually sent the message to user at dom.ain more
> than once.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Angel Gabriel
> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 7:09 AM
> To: 'Nigel Metheringham'
> Cc: Mailman (E-mail)
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Diagnosing duplicates [Was:Now MTA
> tweaking!]
> 
> 
> Okay, this is a one way list, and I can't get hold of the dups. My email
> didn't get any dups, so I can't check either, and I really DON'T want to
> replicate it!! I'm going to assume that the problem is my end. If it's
> mailman screwing up, how can I go about cleaning my list? And if it's my
> MTA, how do I fix that??
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nigel Metheringham
> [mailto:Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 12:52 PM
> To: Angel Gabriel
> Cc: Mailman (E-mail)
> Subject: Diagnosing duplicates [Was:Now MTA tweaking!]
> 
> 
> Change in subject line - its a different thread...
> 
> On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 12:32, Angel Gabriel wrote:
> > I decided to send out my list over the
> > weekend... I came in today, *monday* and I found that a LOT of email boxes
> > had gotten repeat emails, and really pissed off my subscribers. And I
> don't
> > mean like two or three I mean REPEAT emails, like 12, 13. How can I found
> > out what caused this?
> 
> The answer is you need to get at least 2 of the duplicates (ideally all
> the duplicates that reached a single address), with the full headers -
> specifically you need the received lines.
> 
> You then compare the received headers on each one and work out where the
> paths of the 2 mails diverged.
> 
> This could be:-
>   - the original poster sent several copies (happens quite often)
>     in this case you see the received lines are different
>     at every stage
>   - the senders MTA duplicated it
>     (first - thats the bottom one in the message headers - received
>     line is exactly the same, the rest are different).
>   - mailman duplicated it
>     (different received lines on the list delivery MTA)
>   - the list delivery MTA duplicated it (subtly different)
>   - someone's virus scanner reinjected it (they *must* die!!!)
>   - someone's vacation mailer reinjected it (they must die and their
>     whole domain be blocked - actually same applies for the virus
>     scanner too).
> 
> There are other possibilities too... and never underestimate how
> determined some idiots can be to loop your mail.
> 
> 	Nigel.
> --
> [ Nigel Metheringham           Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ]
> [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ]
> 
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Sep 23 15:38:22 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 23 Sep 2002 09:38:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing messages to archives
In-Reply-To: <3D8ED260.DD550876@whidbey.com>
References: <NGBBIIAANKLIJPHHILNEIEIECAAA.srai@zeomega.com> 
	<3D8ED260.DD550876@whidbey.com>
Message-ID: <1032788303.1708.86.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

I've done something similar in the past and there is no special header
(that I know of).  

In my case, I created the list in Mailman, deleted the existing archive
files (which where simply test messages).  Copied the old lists mbox
file over the Mailman one, then ran the Mailman arch command, and told
it to re-create the archives.  Worked a charm!

On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 04:35, G. Armour Van Horn wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> I have been asked to possibly host a list previously kept in another system.
> They would like to include archives from their existing list, and have the
> messages in mbox format. The format appears to be compatible, but when I
> appended a sample to one of my test lists the other messages were not added.
> 
> I'm guessing that there is one header that determines if an entry is added to
> the archives, and that the additional messages I added to my test list weren't
> displayed in the archives because they lacked that header. Can someone tell me
> what the header is? If so, I can replace that header (or a similar one) from
> their existing list with the header matching the name of their new list and
> import it.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Van
> 
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From barry at python.org  Mon Sep 23 16:45:35 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:45:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What do these errors mean?
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020922131523.0202c0f0@sbdsl.com>
Message-ID: <15759.10511.11639.159919@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "bronto" ==   <bronto at csd-bes.net> writes:

    bronto> I'm running Mailamn v2.1b2

If folks are going to be playing with the betas, /please/ at least use
the latest beta, which is 2.1b3.  Even better would be current cvs,
but I can understand that that's a bigger hurdle.

-Barry




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Sep 23 16:16:41 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 23 Sep 2002 10:16:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: un-subscription problems
In-Reply-To: <00d701c262b2$8de7e1c0$6700a8c0@interfa.office>
References: 
	<006801c26114$600389c0$6700a8c0@interfa.office><1032576808.1642.25.camel@Ann
	 cons.nc.rr.com>
	<017e01c2612b$7eea5690$6700a8c0@interfa.office><1032614940.1633.39.camel@Ann
	 cons.nc.rr.com> <000701c261d1$19b70880$0d4efea9@Main>
	<1032664586.1642.14.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> 
	<00d701c262b2$8de7e1c0$6700a8c0@interfa.office>
Message-ID: <1032790602.1673.122.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Sun, 2002-09-22 at 23:37, Anthony Carmody wrote:
> ~gulp~ I am not a python programmer. and the users of the list needing the unsubscribe address are artists [do i need to
> say more?]  ..and although I am not 'completely' new to Mailman, I have only had it on my system for a few months AND in
> a moderately vanilla state. I lease a Virtual Server without smrsh that I can see, and I only have a pseudos-root
> permission. I have virtual domains making it a little trickier. I have searched the archives and have not been able to
> find anything that works for me as of yet.
> 
> I suppose what I need to know is: Is there a script [adding addresses to a temp file, hourly cron is fine] that someone
> 'has working' that they can post me that does not need smrsh and has the alias entries examples. preferably something
> that I can pass the variables to like so:
> 
> <mailinlistname>-unsub:            "|/usr/lib/mailman/localbin/unsubscribe.sh <mailinlistname>- <virtualdomain>-"
> 

How about something like this:

 - In the aliases file, add an entry for the unsubscribe email:
     volleyball-unsub:  "|/home/mailman/ext/v-unsub.alias"

 - Create the directory /home/mailman/ext
     mkdir /home/mailman/ext
     chown mail /home/mailman/ext
     chmod 0700 /home/mailman/ext

 - In /home/mailman/ext create the script "v-unsub.alias":
  #! /bin/bash
  # 
  # Script to unsubscribe user from volleyball list.
  # Loads file /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub.txt
  # That file is later processed by a Mailman cron job
  #   /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub.cron
  #
  #   Mail to volleyball-unsub at haht.com
  #   Subject: unsubscribe username at domain.com
  UNSUB=`grep -i "Subject: " - |head -1 |cut -f2- -d:`
  for i in $UNSUB
  do
     echo $i >> /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub.txt
  done
  # End of script

 - Create the script v-unsub.cron
  #! /bin/bash
  # 
  # Script to unsubscribe user from volleyball list.
  # Removes users found in file /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub.txt
  # The file is loaded via an unsubscribe alias: v-unsub.alias
  for i in `cat /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub.txt`
  do
     /home/mailman/bin/remove_members volleyball $i
  done

 - Make the scripts executable:
     chmod a+x /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub.alias
     chmod a+x /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub.cron

 - Add the script to the Mailman cron jobs:
  su mailman
  cron -i
    15 * * * *   /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub.cron

===
There is no error checking on any of the scripts and basically anyone
can unsubscribe anyone (or everyone) from the list, but it should work
as a base.

Take care - Jon Carnes




From kleefstr at mcmaster.ca  Mon Sep 23 17:41:22 2002
From: kleefstr at mcmaster.ca (Jessie Kleefstra)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:41:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] deleting archives
Message-ID: <web-20938436@cgpsrv1.cis.mcmaster.ca>

I have looked through the FAQ's and archives and I can't seem to find
the answer to this question.

Can an administrator of a list delete his monthly archives, if so , how
or is this only a system admin function?


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From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Sep 23 18:12:31 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:12:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Was Does mailman support a MySQL backend? - Now MTA tweaking! 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Angel Gabriel" <badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk> 
   of "Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:32:10 BST." <016501c262f4$db9a9b00$1c01a8c0@voda> 
References: <016501c262f4$db9a9b00$1c01a8c0@voda> 
Message-ID: <22552.1032797551@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:32:10 +0100 
Angel Gabriel <badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk> wrote:

> THREE T3's and a couple of T1's? Gees... 

That box is located at a tier 2 ISP.

> How can I tell the performance of my server? I decided to send out my
> list over the weekend... I came in today, *monday* and I found that a
> LOT of email boxes had gotten repeat emails, and really pissed off my
> subscribers.

Typically this is due to a broken MTA at one of the MXes you are
delivering to which is using the wrong response code for "mailbox full"
or some similar soft error.

> And I don't mean like two or three I mean REPEAT emails, like 12,
> 13. How can I found out what caused this?

Read your MTA logs.  Carefully.

Get several copies of those messages (with full headers) from several
different people and analyse their Received: headers.

Determine from the above exactly where the problem is. and whose
responsibility it is.

Fix.

-- 
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---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Sep 23 18:17:22 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:17:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Oh no! Multiple Emails going out to people! 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Angel Gabriel" <badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk> 
   of "Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:37:32 BST." <00f601c262ed$39f0d190$1c01a8c0@voda> 
References: <00f601c262ed$39f0d190$1c01a8c0@voda> 
Message-ID: <22603.1032797842@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:37:32 +0100 
Angel Gabriel <badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk> wrote:

> I would like to know, how I can strip duplicate emails out of my
> subscriber list. Apparently, multiple emails are being sent out to
> people, and I'm not sure how to stop this. People are getting pissed
> off, and are complaining

If multiple versions of the same person's address are in your DB there's
not much you can do other than having them individually clean up their
own accounts.

  Exception: You can likely (not guaranteed) assume that
  bubba at school.ac.uk is the same as bubba at winkle.school.ac.uk.  Export
  your subscriber list out to a text file (list-members) and then run a
  sed script to find these duplicates.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
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From mailman at tux.org  Mon Sep 23 18:26:24 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:26:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing messages to archives
In-Reply-To: <1032788303.1708.86.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209231211160.371-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

Van -

The key here is to note that a Mailman archive is more than just
the mbox file.  There are many other supporting files, including
pre-gen'd HTML files and a whole set of database files.  The trick
to editing the mbox file for a list archive and having the edits
recognized is to do just as Jon has done: use the arch command (see
the bin directory in your Mailman installation directory).  From
~mailman/bin/arch -h ...

    Use this command to rebuild the archives for a mailing list.
    You may want to do this if you edit some messages in an archive,
    or remove some messages from an archive.

So, use arch whether you are adding messages, removing messages,
editing existing messages, or replacing an entire archive with a
whole new set of messages (as Jon did).  HTH.

- Andrew

  ----------------------------------------------------------------
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On 23 Sep 2002, Jon Carnes wrote:

> I've done something similar in the past and there is no special header
> (that I know of).
>
> In my case, I created the list in Mailman, deleted the existing
> archive files (which where simply test messages).  Copied the old
> lists mbox file over the Mailman one, then ran the Mailman arch
> command, and told it to re-create the archives.  Worked a charm!
>
> On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 04:35, G. Armour Van Horn wrote:
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I have been asked to possibly host a list previously kept in
> > another system.  They would like to include archives from their
> > existing list, and have the messages in mbox format. The format
> > appears to be compatible, but when I appended a sample to one of
> > my test lists the other messages were not added.
> >
> > I'm guessing that there is one header that determines if an entry
> > is added to the archives, and that the additional messages I added
> > to my test list weren't displayed in the archives because they lacked
> > that header. Can someone tell me what the header is? If so, I can
> > replace that header (or a similar one) from their existing list with
> > the header matching the name of their new list and import it.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Van




From raquel at thericehouse.net  Mon Sep 23 18:33:05 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:33:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] General Posting Filters (Privacy?)
In-Reply-To: <20020922200419.C9994@zorkmid.cs.utexas.edu>
References: <20020922200419.C9994@zorkmid.cs.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <20020923093305.10ae42c1.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:04:19 -0500
Daniel Katz <dkatz at cs.utexas.edu> wrote:

> We're using a current install of Mailman 2.0.6 and I tried going
> through the diff logs to find if this bug (or is it a bug?) was
> fixed or not with no success.  
> 
> I thought maybe you guys can shed some light on the subject.
> 
> I setup a list for archival purposes and want the whole world to
> be able to post to it.  Reading through some of the user submitted
> documentation I set the _General Posting Filters_ to reflect.
> 
> Must posts be approved by an administrator? -> No
> Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only)
> -> No Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list
> without implicit approval requirement -> (Blank)
> 
> Is this just a 2.0.6 bug or is this an issue that has not been
> looked at.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> -dK

This doesn't answer your question directly, and perhaps I am not
understanding something.  The current version of Mailman is 2.0.13.

--
Raquel
============================================================
You live longer once you realize that any time spent being unhappy
is wasted. 
  --Ruth E. Renkl




From mailman at tux.org  Mon Sep 23 18:32:45 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:32:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] General Posting Filters (Privacy?)
In-Reply-To: <20020922200419.C9994@zorkmid.cs.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209231228090.371-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

Hi Daniel -

You don't actually get around to stating what the problem is; what
exactly does not work?  Also, what -portion- of the thing that does
not work -dose- work; i.e., if the problem is "Posts are not going
out to the list", where does the posted e-mail stop?  Is it utterly
rejected?  Is it posted but being held for approval?  What do your
MTA and Mailman logs show about how far the message made it?  With
some more detail (and an actual problem statement :-) someone on the
list may be able to help.

- Andrew

  ----------------------------------------------------------------
  Mailman Administrator   -   http://www.tux.org/mailman/listinfo/

On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, Daniel Katz wrote:

> We're using a current install of Mailman 2.0.6 and I tried going
> through the diff logs to find if this bug (or is it a bug?) was fixed
> or not with no success.
>
> I thought maybe you guys can shed some light on the subject.
>
> I setup a list for archival purposes and want the whole world to be
> able to post to it.  Reading through some of the user submitted
> documentation I set the _General Posting Filters_ to reflect.
>
> Must posts be approved by an administrator? -> No Restrict posting
> privilege to list members? (member_posting_only) -> No Addresses of
> members accepted for posting to this list without implicit approval
> requirement -> (Blank)
>
> Is this just a 2.0.6 bug or is this an issue that has not been looked
> at.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> -dK




From mailman at tux.org  Mon Sep 23 19:09:41 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:09:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uninstall Mailman
In-Reply-To: <20020922184043.97088.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209231235180.371-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, Maria Garcia Suarez wrote:

> Now I would like to uninstall Mailman 2.0.13 to
> install it again using Debian's apt-get (Mailman's
> version 2.0.11).
>
> Can someone please tell me how to uninstall Mailman?

It depends on how much you want to remove.  Since it
sounds like you plan to put Mailman back after you
uninstall, I am going to assume that you want to keep
the same www aliases and list aliases that you already
have (i.e., you will use the same URLs and list
addresses after you re-install Mailman).

All you need to do is delete the directory where you
installed Mailman.  For example, on my system, it is
the default location, "/home/mailman".  If you might
want to keep anything from the old installation, you
may just want to move the current installed directory
aside instead of deleting it entirely.  (In particular,
you may want to keep /home/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py)

For example, you might do ONE of the following (or
similar):

    mv -i /home/mailman /home/mailman.old
    mv -i /home/mailman /tmp
    tar cv -f /tmp/mailman-2.0.13.tar /home/mailman

I recommend the above approach, but if you are certain
that you will not want anything from the old directory,
then just:

    rm -R /home/mailman

Don't forget to re-create the Mailman install directory
before starting the re-install.  Also, if you -are-
keeping the former list addresses, be sure to re-create
the lists.

(To more fully remove Mailman from your system, you
would also need to remove web server aliases, the user
and group called 'mailman', the list aliases from your
MTA's aliases file(s), and Mailman's cron entries.)

Fellow Mailman site admins: did I miss anything?

> Kisses,
>
> Maria G Suarez

Hugs,
- Andrew

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From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Mon Sep 23 19:27:16 2002
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:27:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Diagnosing duplicates [Was:Now MTAtweaking!]
In-Reply-To: <1032789078.22441.6.camel@geinitz>
Message-ID: <001d01c26326$76f65f40$1c01a8c0@voda>

I think this is the problem, I saw in the logs something about
QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME expiring, **wonders how to fix this....**

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Juergen Geinitz
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 2:51 PM
To: Mike Kercher
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] RE: Diagnosing duplicates [Was:Now
MTAtweaking!]


I once had this effect when my list was getting large. I found
QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME expiring and therefore suddenly having
a second qrunner also processing the qfiles. My qrunner lock is now
about 30 hrs. and I did not have that problem since.

Regards
 Juergen

On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 15:40, Mike Kercher wrote:
> Take a look at your maillog and grep the duplicate email address...see if
your end actually sent the message to user at dom.ain more
> than once.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Angel Gabriel
> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 7:09 AM
> To: 'Nigel Metheringham'
> Cc: Mailman (E-mail)
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Diagnosing duplicates [Was:Now MTA
> tweaking!]
>
>
> Okay, this is a one way list, and I can't get hold of the dups. My email
> didn't get any dups, so I can't check either, and I really DON'T want to
> replicate it!! I'm going to assume that the problem is my end. If it's
> mailman screwing up, how can I go about cleaning my list? And if it's my
> MTA, how do I fix that??
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nigel Metheringham
> [mailto:Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 12:52 PM
> To: Angel Gabriel
> Cc: Mailman (E-mail)
> Subject: Diagnosing duplicates [Was:Now MTA tweaking!]
>
>
> Change in subject line - its a different thread...
>
> On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 12:32, Angel Gabriel wrote:
> > I decided to send out my list over the
> > weekend... I came in today, *monday* and I found that a LOT of email
boxes
> > had gotten repeat emails, and really pissed off my subscribers. And I
> don't
> > mean like two or three I mean REPEAT emails, like 12, 13. How can I
found
> > out what caused this?
>
> The answer is you need to get at least 2 of the duplicates (ideally all
> the duplicates that reached a single address), with the full headers -
> specifically you need the received lines.
>
> You then compare the received headers on each one and work out where the
> paths of the 2 mails diverged.
>
> This could be:-
>   - the original poster sent several copies (happens quite often)
>     in this case you see the received lines are different
>     at every stage
>   - the senders MTA duplicated it
>     (first - thats the bottom one in the message headers - received
>     line is exactly the same, the rest are different).
>   - mailman duplicated it
>     (different received lines on the list delivery MTA)
>   - the list delivery MTA duplicated it (subtly different)
>   - someone's virus scanner reinjected it (they *must* die!!!)
>   - someone's vacation mailer reinjected it (they must die and their
>     whole domain be blocked - actually same applies for the virus
>     scanner too).
>
> There are other possibilities too... and never underestimate how
> determined some idiots can be to loop your mail.
>
> 	Nigel.
> --
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From mailman at tux.org  Mon Sep 23 19:36:04 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:36:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking Unsubscribe?
In-Reply-To: <15755.9499.696920.274850@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209231311450.6471-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> >>>>> "TR" == Tom Ryan <tomryan at camlaw.rutgers.edu> writes:
>
>     TR> Sorry, I should have clarified that.. however, doesn't Barry
>     TR> need at least *some* people to run the beta under load to help
>     TR> iron out the problems :)

Oh, absolutely!  The early adopters play a crucial role in moving the
beta toward a solid release.  If it were not for these folks, we would
all be stuck with being forced to be beta-testers.

(Probably paying for the privilege, too, because the best way to make
something sub-standard into something valuable is to put a lot of
marketing behind it and charge people money for it.  For example,
Windows 95 and 98 are both (IMHO) beta software that Micro$oft made a
pile of money off of on the way toward Windows 2000, all-in-all a solid
product.)

I -much- prefer the way it is done in the open source community.

>     TR> Needless to say, I am one of those persons :)
>
> Yes!  And greatly appreciated, not just by me, but by all those other
> folks who have to or want to wait until the final release.  Every bug
> we squash now is one that (hopefully <wink>) won't bite people later.
>
> -Barry

I, too, greatly appreciate the time, energy, efforts, and contributions
of those who elect to run with beta versions.  I owe a countless debt to
you, Tom, and thousands like you, since I use a wide variety of open
source software for many aspects of both my personal and professional
life.

In fact, I would greatly like to join your ranks; alas! I do not have
the time to give; I wouldn't even have the time to keep Mailman up to
date with the latest beta version, which Barry has pointed out in a
recent posting is an important part of being a beta tester.

So, my original purpose in waving the yellow flag for Nathan was just
to make sure that these aspects were "on the table", in addition to the
discussion about the sought-after feature.  I had the sense that Nathan
is in a situation more like mine, where beta software is (no offense!)
to be avoided when possible.

- Andrew

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From mailman at tux.org  Mon Sep 23 19:55:39 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:55:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Diagnosing duplicates [Was:Now MTAtweaking!]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209231343500.8752-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

> I think this is the problem, I saw in the logs something about
> QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME expiring, **wonders how to fix this....**

Look in  /home/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py  and search for QRUNNER.
You will find the QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME parameter, plus several
related parameters, plus explanatory notes.

Following the general rule, use /home/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
to override the desired settings that you see in Defaults.py

What parameters do you override and what settings do you use?  You
can ask this list for suggested settings from folks in a similar
situation ('similar' I guess applies to list size and frequency of
posts, plus system capabilities and -- probably most important --
connectivity to the outside world (which I see you have already
begun to ask about)).  In any case, however, you will probably need
to experiment a little, so some explanatory messages to and patience
from your list members may be needed.

HTH,
- Andrew

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From wheakory at isu.edu  Mon Sep 23 20:01:56 2002
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:01:56 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix alias files
Message-ID: <3D8F5713.6333FC06@isu.edu>

Question, what are the alias files configured like for POSTFIX when
using Mailman, are they the same syntax as Sendmail?
Could someone give me an example?

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From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Sep 23 20:05:30 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:05:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Postfix alias files
In-Reply-To: Message from Kory Wheatley <wheakory@isu.edu> 
   of "Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:01:56 MDT." <3D8F5713.6333FC06@isu.edu> 
References: <3D8F5713.6333FC06@isu.edu> 
Message-ID: <24167.1032804330@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:01:56 -0600 
Kory Wheatley <wheakory at isu.edu> wrote:

> Question, what are the alias files configured like for POSTFIX when
> using Mailman, are they the same syntax as Sendmail?  

With the rare exceptions of QMail, all Unix alias files have the same
format.  Caveat: Sendmail smrsh, which doesn't change the alias file
format, but does change its external requirements.

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From greg at gregwestin.com  Mon Sep 23 20:23:27 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:23:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix alias files
In-Reply-To: <3D8F5713.6333FC06@isu.edu>
References: <3D8F5713.6333FC06@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <63612.155.41.10.1.1032805407.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>

# STANZA START: test
# CREATED: Mon Sep 23 07:49:27 2002
test:           "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test"
test-admin:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin test"
test-bounces:   "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces test"
.
.
.
# STANZA END: test

<quote who="Kory Wheatley">
> Question, what are the alias files configured like for POSTFIX when
> using Mailman, are they the same syntax as Sendmail?
> Could someone give me an example?
>
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From dan at ssc.com  Mon Sep 23 20:30:23 2002
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:30:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Postfix alias files
In-Reply-To: <3D8F5713.6333FC06@isu.edu>
References: <3D8F5713.6333FC06@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <20020923113023.A20637@ssc.com>

On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 12:01:56PM -0600, Kory Wheatley wrote:
> Question, what are the alias files configured like for POSTFIX when
> using Mailman, are they the same syntax as Sendmail?
> Could someone give me an example?

I use the aliases generated when setting up a Mailman list according to
instructions using "newlist".  Just plug them into /etc/aliases, run 

  postalias /etc/aliases

and whee!  Off to the races!

Well, something like what newlist generates.  Here's a typical
stanza, wrapped for prettier email using "\":

atc:             "|/usr/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrcs/atc"
atc-admin:       "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner atc"
atc-request:     \
    /var/lib/mailman/localdata/requests/atc,\
    "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd atc"
atc-owner:       atc-admin
owner-atc:       atc-admin
atc-remove:      "|/usr/lib/mailman/localbin/unsub.sh atc ssc.com"

Incoming stuff gets filtered by procmail.

All requests are logged to a "requests" directory in case some 
hysterical person comes charging at our upstream provider yelling 
"spam!".  

Mail to atc-remove goes to a script called "unsub.sh" which
tries to figure out who sent the mail, then removes them from
the list if it can.

I'd publish unsub.sh but I'm not sure of the licensing; Bob Puff
wrote the original, and I adapted it.  His original was published
here, which implies that he meant for anybody to use it who wanted
to, but didn't contain a copyright notice, which I suppose means 
I'm infringing on his work and would compound the transgression
by publishing it with any notice claiming that it is published
under GPL, or whatever.

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Sep 23 20:42:13 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 23 Sep 2002 14:42:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] deleting archives
In-Reply-To: <web-20938436@cgpsrv1.cis.mcmaster.ca>
References: <web-20938436@cgpsrv1.cis.mcmaster.ca>
Message-ID: <1032806533.5576.14.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

As far as I know, only sysadmin can delete the older archives, however
this is something that could be setup to run via a cron job.

Jon Carnes
===
On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 11:41, Jessie Kleefstra wrote:
> I have looked through the FAQ's and archives and I can't seem to find
> the answer to this question.
> 
> Can an administrator of a list delete his monthly archives, if so , how
> or is this only a system admin function?
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Sep 23 20:52:06 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 23 Sep 2002 14:52:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Oh no! Multiple Emails going out to people!
In-Reply-To: <22603.1032797842@kanga.nu>
References: <00f601c262ed$39f0d190$1c01a8c0@voda>  
	<22603.1032797842@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <1032807126.5576.23.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 12:17, J C Lawrence wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:37:32 +0100 
> Angel Gabriel <badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > I would like to know, how I can strip duplicate emails out of my
> > subscriber list. Apparently, multiple emails are being sent out to
> > people, and I'm not sure how to stop this. People are getting pissed
> > off, and are complaining
> 
> If multiple versions of the same person's address are in your DB there's
> not much you can do other than having them individually clean up their
> own accounts.
> 
If you are seeing a lot of emails going out to various folks (but never
consistently the same folks) then the problem is most likely with your
system.  Processes could be starting up, failing over, and then
restarting.

You need to monitor your system while sending.  The log files will also
tell you a great deal about what is going on.

Good Luck




From wheakory at isu.edu  Tue Sep 24 00:52:09 2002
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:52:09 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix with Mailman
Message-ID: <3D8F9B19.A319DB49@isu.edu>

I recently switched from Sendmail to Postfix running on Mailman 2.1b3
Red Hat 7.3 and I followed all the instructions in the README.POSTFIX
file. I've got the aliases located in "/home/mailman/data" and mailman
as the "mail-gid", not using virtual domains. Turned off Sendmail and
turned on Postfix and when I send a message nothing happens, nothing
goes in the queue directory, nothing goes in the mailman log files, it's
as if nothing was sent, because nothing is reported in
/var/spool/postfix.

In the Postfix configuration file (main.cf) I changed the myhostname to
"myhostname= kwlinux.isu.edu" , which is my Mailmans machines hostname.
I changed mydomain to "mydomain = isu.edu" and mydestination is setup as
"mydestination= $myhostname, localhost, $mydomain" and the
inet_interfaces is setup as "inet_interface = localhost". Changed
alias_map to point to the alias file in mailman,
is there something I'm missing?.


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From dan at ssc.com  Tue Sep 24 01:15:56 2002
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:15:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix with Mailman
In-Reply-To: <3D8F9B19.A319DB49@isu.edu>
References: <3D8F9B19.A319DB49@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <20020923161556.A21488@ssc.com>

On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 04:52:09PM -0600, Kory Wheatley wrote:
> I recently switched from Sendmail to Postfix running on Mailman 2.1b3
> Red Hat 7.3 and I followed all the instructions in the README.POSTFIX
> file. I've got the aliases located in "/home/mailman/data" and mailman
> as the "mail-gid", not using virtual domains. Turned off Sendmail and
> turned on Postfix and when I send a message nothing happens, nothing
> goes in the queue directory, nothing goes in the mailman log files, it's
> as if nothing was sent, because nothing is reported in
> /var/spool/postfix.
> 
> In the Postfix configuration file (main.cf) I changed the myhostname to
> "myhostname= kwlinux.isu.edu" , which is my Mailmans machines hostname.
> I changed mydomain to "mydomain = isu.edu" and mydestination is setup as
> "mydestination= $myhostname, localhost, $mydomain" and the
> inet_interfaces is setup as "inet_interface = localhost". Changed
> alias_map to point to the alias file in mailman,
> is there something I'm missing?.

What happens when you run

postfix start

??

You should see no messages, but a log message indicating
postfix has started.

If that works, then

  telnet localhost 25

you should get a connect and see a postfix banner.   Then do
the following:

Postfix                         you

banner                          
                                helo localhost
250 (some hostname)
                                mail from: <valid user at yourdomain>
250 Ok
                                rcpt to: <another such>
250 Ok
                                data
354 End data with <CR><LF>.<CR><LF>
                                hi there

                                .
250 Ok: queued as (mumble)   
                                quit
221 Bye


for "valid user at yourdomain" and "another such" substitute
usernames on the local host, with an acceptable domain name.

Next take a look at the logs.  They should show the mail
being delivered.

No?  Let us know what happened.

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From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Tue Sep 24 03:30:49 2002
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:30:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing messages to archives
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209231211160.371-100000@gwyn.tux.org>
Message-ID: <3D8FC049.4F08EF28@whidbey.com>

Okay, now we're half way home. The messages that I pasted in are all now
visible in the archives for the appropriate time, but every one is listed as
"No subject" and when you read them all of the original headers are
displayed.

There is a valid subject line, I'm replacing the three-letter name of the
previous list with ABC:

     Subject: [ABC] Detailed Charge Master Report

Ass opposed to the same header if I send it in directly:

     Subject: [Test] test to look at headers

So, do I need to replace headers on the additional messages to make this
work? Or should it have already worked?

Van



mailman at tux.org wrote:

> Van -
>
> The key here is to note that a Mailman archive is more than just
> the mbox file.  There are many other supporting files, including
> pre-gen'd HTML files and a whole set of database files.  The trick
> to editing the mbox file for a list archive and having the edits
> recognized is to do just as Jon has done: use the arch command (see
> the bin directory in your Mailman installation directory).  From
> ~mailman/bin/arch -h ...
>
>     Use this command to rebuild the archives for a mailing list.
>     You may want to do this if you edit some messages in an archive,
>     or remove some messages from an archive.
>
> So, use arch whether you are adding messages, removing messages,
> editing existing messages, or replacing an entire archive with a
> whole new set of messages (as Jon did).  HTH.
>
> - Andrew
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> On 23 Sep 2002, Jon Carnes wrote:
>
> > I've done something similar in the past and there is no special header
> > (that I know of).
> >
> > In my case, I created the list in Mailman, deleted the existing
> > archive files (which where simply test messages).  Copied the old
> > lists mbox file over the Mailman one, then ran the Mailman arch
> > command, and told it to re-create the archives.  Worked a charm!
> >
> > On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 04:35, G. Armour Van Horn wrote:
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > I have been asked to possibly host a list previously kept in
> > > another system.  They would like to include archives from their
> > > existing list, and have the messages in mbox format. The format
> > > appears to be compatible, but when I appended a sample to one of
> > > my test lists the other messages were not added.
> > >
> > > I'm guessing that there is one header that determines if an entry
> > > is added to the archives, and that the additional messages I added
> > > to my test list weren't displayed in the archives because they lacked
> > > that header. Can someone tell me what the header is? If so, I can
> > > replace that header (or a similar one) from their existing list with
> > > the header matching the name of their new list and import it.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > >
> > > Van

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From carmoda at zip.com.au  Tue Sep 24 04:53:15 2002
From: carmoda at zip.com.au (Anthony Carmody)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:53:15 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: un-subscription problems
References: <006801c26114$600389c0$6700a8c0@interfa.office><1032576808.1642.25.camel@Ann cons.nc.rr.com><017e01c2612b$7eea5690$6700a8c0@interfa.office><1032614940.1633.39.camel@Ann cons.nc.rr.com> <000701c261d1$19b70880$0d4efea9@Main><1032664586.1642.14.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> <00d701c262b2$8de7e1c0$6700a8c0@interfa.office> <1032790602.1673.122.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <036d01c26375$9b0c4030$6700a8c0@interfa.office>

Yup yep yes,

I have worked this much out. Now my problem is getting sendmail to execute the script.
I have had sensible comments like "Whatever you had to do to make the mailman wrapper work is probably the same thing
here" However, this instance of Mailman is installed automatically by my service network provider ********.

asking I/NSP tech support questions is sometimes like dealing with an evil robot parrot.

/Anthony



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
To: "Anthony Carmody" <carmoda at interfaceergonomics.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: un-subscription problems


: On Sun, 2002-09-22 at 23:37, Anthony Carmody wrote:
: > ~gulp~ I am not a python programmer. and the users of the list needing the unsubscribe address are artists [do i
need to
: > say more?]  ..and although I am not 'completely' new to Mailman, I have only had it on my system for a few months
AND in
: > a moderately vanilla state. I lease a Virtual Server without smrsh that I can see, and I only have a pseudos-root
: > permission. I have virtual domains making it a little trickier. I have searched the archives and have not been able
to
: > find anything that works for me as of yet.
: >
: > I suppose what I need to know is: Is there a script [adding addresses to a temp file, hourly cron is fine] that
someone
: > 'has working' that they can post me that does not need smrsh and has the alias entries examples. preferably
something
: > that I can pass the variables to like so:
: >
: > <mailinlistname>-unsub:            "|/usr/lib/mailman/localbin/unsubscribe.sh <mailinlistname>- <virtualdomain>-"
: >
:
: How about something like this:
:
:  - In the aliases file, add an entry for the unsubscribe email:
:      volleyball-unsub:  "|/home/mailman/ext/v-unsub.alias"
:
:  - Create the directory /home/mailman/ext
:      mkdir /home/mailman/ext
:      chown mail /home/mailman/ext
:      chmod 0700 /home/mailman/ext
:
:  - In /home/mailman/ext create the script "v-unsub.alias":
:   #! /bin/bash
:   #
:   # Script to unsubscribe user from volleyball list.
:   # Loads file /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub.txt
:   # That file is later processed by a Mailman cron job
:   #   /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub.cron
:   #
:   #   Mail to volleyball-unsub at haht.com
:   #   Subject: unsubscribe username at domain.com
:   UNSUB=`grep -i "Subject: " - |head -1 |cut -f2- -d:`
:   for i in $UNSUB
:   do
:      echo $i >> /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub.txt
:   done
:   # End of script
:
:  - Create the script v-unsub.cron
:   #! /bin/bash
:   #
:   # Script to unsubscribe user from volleyball list.
:   # Removes users found in file /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub.txt
:   # The file is loaded via an unsubscribe alias: v-unsub.alias
:   for i in `cat /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub.txt`
:   do
:      /home/mailman/bin/remove_members volleyball $i
:   done
:
:  - Make the scripts executable:
:      chmod a+x /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub.alias
:      chmod a+x /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub.cron
:
:  - Add the script to the Mailman cron jobs:
:   su mailman
:   cron -i
:     15 * * * *   /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub.cron
:
: ===
: There is no error checking on any of the scripts and basically anyone
: can unsubscribe anyone (or everyone) from the list, but it should work
: as a base.
:
: Take care - Jon Carnes
:
:
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From mailman-users at imc.nl  Tue Sep 24 08:13:56 2002
From: mailman-users at imc.nl (Roelf)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:13:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hi resource usage
Message-ID: <000001c26391$90844330$c764a8c0@void>

Hi

I'm running mailman 2.1b3 and python 2.2.1 on FreeBSD 4.4 on Dell
Poweredge 2500, P 3 1000MHz, 1GB memory and RAID.

But mailman takes a lot of resources with archiving.

  PID USERNAME        PRI NICE  SIZE    RES STATE    TIME   WCPU    CPU
COMMAND
37459 mailman          53   0 87068K 85380K RUN      144.2H 96.78%
96.78% python

Restart mailman

  PID USERNAME        PRI NICE  SIZE    RES STATE    TIME   WCPU    CPU
COMMAND
33270 mailman          58   0 29536K 27996K RUN      6:45 86.04% 86.04%
python
  201 root              2   0   932K   552K select   8:41  0.00%  0.00%
syslogd

33270  ??  R      6:52.04 qrunner /opt/mailman/bin/qrunner
--runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s (python)

Has anybody else seen this problem and any ideas on how to solve this.

Thanks






From wash at wananchi.com  Tue Sep 24 08:24:03 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:24:03 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hi resource usage
In-Reply-To: <000001c26391$90844330$c764a8c0@void>
References: <000001c26391$90844330$c764a8c0@void>
Message-ID: <20020924062403.GC40709@ns2.wananchi.com>

* Roelf <mailman-users at imc.nl> [20020924 09:15]: wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I'm running mailman 2.1b3 and python 2.2.1 on FreeBSD 4.4 on Dell
> Poweredge 2500, P 3 1000MHz, 1GB memory and RAID.
> 
> But mailman takes a lot of resources with archiving.
> 
>   PID USERNAME        PRI NICE  SIZE    RES STATE    TIME   WCPU    CPU
> COMMAND
> 37459 mailman          53   0 87068K 85380K RUN      144.2H 96.78%
> 96.78% python
> 
> Restart mailman
> 
>   PID USERNAME        PRI NICE  SIZE    RES STATE    TIME   WCPU    CPU
> COMMAND
> 33270 mailman          58   0 29536K 27996K RUN      6:45 86.04% 86.04%
> python
>   201 root              2   0   932K   552K select   8:41  0.00%  0.00%
> syslogd
> 
> 33270  ??  R      6:52.04 qrunner /opt/mailman/bin/qrunner
> --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s (python)
> 
> Has anybody else seen this problem and any ideas on how to solve this.



I run FreeBSD 4.7-PRE with Mailman-2.0.14. The box is a 500MHz with 256MB and
runs a whole lot other services but sincerely speaking I haven't seen a problem
with Mailman. maybe this is because 

1. My lists are not big/busy enough
2. I haven't caught the archiver process in action.


On another box with 2.1b3 (FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE, Python-2.2.1, 1.4GHz, 256MB RAM)
I also haven't had this problem.

How large are your lists and how busy?



        cheers
       - wash 
+----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com	. WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE)  |
http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/		. 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St.,  |
GSM: (+254) 722 743 223			. # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI             |
+---------------------------------+------------------------------------------+
"Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!"  
						 --from a /. post



From michel at ziobudda.net  Tue Sep 24 09:42:31 2002
From: michel at ziobudda.net (Michel 'ZioBudda' Morelli)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:42:31 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error: Cannot allocate memory
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209240939180.1539-100000@miclaptop>

Hi, I have mailman 2.0.12 .
Often I receive this error (in my web error log):

[error] [client XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX] (12)Cannot allocate memory: couldn't
spawn child process: /opt/mailman-2.0.11/cgi-bin/listinfo

(XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX is the IP of the client).

What is this ??

I have redhat 7.3 and qmail

Tnx in advance for all.

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From mailman-users at imc.nl  Tue Sep 24 09:43:29 2002
From: mailman-users at imc.nl (Roelf)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:43:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hi resource usage
In-Reply-To: <20020924062403.GC40709@ns2.wananchi.com>
Message-ID: <000001c2639e$12db74f0$c764a8c0@void>

Hi

We have 23 lists. The biggest is 200-250 e-mails during working hours.
Then we have 3 or 4 with 50-75 e-mails a day. The rest is small 0-10
mails a day.

I was running mailman 2.0.9 with no problems. After upgrading to mailman
2.1b3, mailman was running as a daemon and took the server straight to
hell.

Roelf



-----Original Message-----
From: Odhiambo Washington [mailto:wash at wananchi.com] 
Sent: dinsdag 24 september 2002 8:24
To: rosc at imc.nl
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] hi resource usage

* Roelf <mailman-users at imc.nl> [20020924 09:15]: wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I'm running mailman 2.1b3 and python 2.2.1 on FreeBSD 4.4 on Dell
> Poweredge 2500, P 3 1000MHz, 1GB memory and RAID.
> 
> But mailman takes a lot of resources with archiving.
> 
>   PID USERNAME        PRI NICE  SIZE    RES STATE    TIME   WCPU
CPU
> COMMAND
> 37459 mailman          53   0 87068K 85380K RUN      144.2H 96.78%
> 96.78% python
> 
> Restart mailman
> 
>   PID USERNAME        PRI NICE  SIZE    RES STATE    TIME   WCPU
CPU
> COMMAND
> 33270 mailman          58   0 29536K 27996K RUN      6:45 86.04%
86.04%
> python
>   201 root              2   0   932K   552K select   8:41  0.00%
0.00%
> syslogd
> 
> 33270  ??  R      6:52.04 qrunner /opt/mailman/bin/qrunner
> --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s (python)
> 
> Has anybody else seen this problem and any ideas on how to solve this.



I run FreeBSD 4.7-PRE with Mailman-2.0.14. The box is a 500MHz with
256MB and
runs a whole lot other services but sincerely speaking I haven't seen a
problem
with Mailman. maybe this is because 

1. My lists are not big/busy enough
2. I haven't caught the archiver process in action.


On another box with 2.1b3 (FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE, Python-2.2.1, 1.4GHz,
256MB RAM)
I also haven't had this problem.

How large are your lists and how busy?



        cheers
       - wash 
+----------------------------------+------------------------------------
-----+
Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com	. WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi,
KE)  |
http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/		. 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita
St.,  |
GSM: (+254) 722 743 223			. # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI
|
+---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
-----+
"Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!"  
						 --from a /. post




From jokech at ke.uu.net  Tue Sep 24 14:17:21 2002
From: jokech at ke.uu.net (Joseph Okech)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:17:21 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hi resource usage
In-Reply-To: <000001c2639e$12db74f0$c764a8c0@void>
References: <000001c2639e$12db74f0$c764a8c0@void>
Message-ID: <E17toab-0008Uh-00@mx1.uunet.co.ke>

Im experiencing this problem too, I have about  12 lists and this works 
perfectly, but whe I add my other lists, Python takes up about 70% cpu usage, 
but this is a very critical box.
Im running 2.0.13 on FreeBSD 4.5

Joseph

On Tuesday 24 September 2002 10:43 am, Roelf wrote:
> Hi
>
> We have 23 lists. The biggest is 200-250 e-mails during working hours.
> Then we have 3 or 4 with 50-75 e-mails a day. The rest is small 0-10
> mails a day.
>
> I was running mailman 2.0.9 with no problems. After upgrading to mailman
> 2.1b3, mailman was running as a daemon and took the server straight to
> hell.
>
> Roelf
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Odhiambo Washington [mailto:wash at wananchi.com]
> Sent: dinsdag 24 september 2002 8:24
> To: rosc at imc.nl
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] hi resource usage
>
> * Roelf <mailman-users at imc.nl> [20020924 09:15]: wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I'm running mailman 2.1b3 and python 2.2.1 on FreeBSD 4.4 on Dell
> > Poweredge 2500, P 3 1000MHz, 1GB memory and RAID.
> >
> > But mailman takes a lot of resources with archiving.
> >
> >   PID USERNAME        PRI NICE  SIZE    RES STATE    TIME   WCPU
>
> CPU
>
> > COMMAND
> > 37459 mailman          53   0 87068K 85380K RUN      144.2H 96.78%
> > 96.78% python
> >
> > Restart mailman
> >
> >   PID USERNAME        PRI NICE  SIZE    RES STATE    TIME   WCPU
>
> CPU
>
> > COMMAND
> > 33270 mailman          58   0 29536K 27996K RUN      6:45 86.04%
>
> 86.04%
>
> > python
> >   201 root              2   0   932K   552K select   8:41  0.00%
>
> 0.00%
>
> > syslogd
> >
> > 33270  ??  R      6:52.04 qrunner /opt/mailman/bin/qrunner
> > --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s (python)
> >
> > Has anybody else seen this problem and any ideas on how to solve this.
>
> I run FreeBSD 4.7-PRE with Mailman-2.0.14. The box is a 500MHz with
> 256MB and
> runs a whole lot other services but sincerely speaking I haven't seen a
> problem
> with Mailman. maybe this is because
>
> 1. My lists are not big/busy enough
> 2. I haven't caught the archiver process in action.
>
>
> On another box with 2.1b3 (FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE, Python-2.2.1, 1.4GHz,
> 256MB RAM)
> I also haven't had this problem.
>
> How large are your lists and how busy?
>
>
>
>         cheers
>        - wash
> +----------------------------------+------------------------------------
> -----+
> Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com	. WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi,
> KE)  |
> http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/		. 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita
> St.,  |
> GSM: (+254) 722 743 223			. # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI
>
> +---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
> -----+
> "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!"
> 						 --from a /. post
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From glaplanche at jouve.fr  Tue Sep 24 14:21:09 2002
From: glaplanche at jouve.fr (Ganael LAPLANCHE)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:21:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI error (got gid -1)
Message-ID: <01a001c263c4$dd51a350$a73ca8c0@john>

Hi all !

I've got a very strange error using mailman...
I compiled the sources specifying the right mail gid (12 for me) and the right cgi gid (99), but
when I create the test list and I try to access the web page, I get this error :

Mailman CGI error!!!
This entry is being stored in your syslog: 
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid -1.  (Reconfigure to take -1?)
What is this strange gid : -1 ? Is this a bug ? Does anyone know a solution ?
Thank you.
Gan.

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From jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org  Tue Sep 24 14:23:28 2002
From: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org (Jim Hale)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:23:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not Sure If These Made It Out...
Message-ID: <000101c263c5$3025dc90$fa010a0a@HALE.local>

I never got copies back so I apologize if these questions come across
twice. :)

1) I just reinstalled Mailman 2.1b3, but this time on an SME Server (not
that I think it makes any difference) and on the page that shows the
available lists, there's the line 'Send questions or comments to
mailman at halemail.dyndns.org.' - Where can I change that address? I
haven't done this in a while and it escapes me where this address is.

2) I created a Mailing List called 'Soundfonts' and when a message is
sent to the list, it comes to the other people as:

soundfonts-bounces at halemail.dyndns.org on behalf of Jim
[jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org]

Is there a way to take off the Email of the person that sent the message
to the list and also to remove the -bounces? I just think it would be
cleaner if it just had soundfonts at halemail.dyndns.org in the from
instead of all the other stuff.

Jim Hale
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Sep 24 15:29:21 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 24 Sep 2002 09:29:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: un-subscription problems
In-Reply-To: <036d01c26375$9b0c4030$6700a8c0@interfa.office>
References: 
	<006801c26114$600389c0$6700a8c0@interfa.office><1032576808.1642.25.camel@Ann
	 
	cons.nc.rr.com><017e01c2612b$7eea5690$6700a8c0@interfa.office><1032614940.16
	 33.39.camel@Ann cons.nc.rr.com>
	<000701c261d1$19b70880$0d4efea9@Main><1032664586.1642.14.camel@Anncons.nc.rr
	 .com> <00d701c262b2$8de7e1c0$6700a8c0@interfa.office>
	<1032790602.1673.122.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> 
	<036d01c26375$9b0c4030$6700a8c0@interfa.office>
Message-ID: <1032874162.5317.18.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

If Sendmail is refusing to execute the script, I would guess that your
server admin has enabled smrsh. You'll have to get them to add a link to
your script into the smrsh directory (on my system that is
/etc/smrsh/..)

Good Luck!

On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 22:53, Anthony Carmody wrote:
> Yup yep yes,
> 
> I have worked this much out. Now my problem is getting sendmail to execute the script.
> I have had sensible comments like "Whatever you had to do to make the mailman wrapper work is probably the same thing
> here" However, this instance of Mailman is installed automatically by my service network provider ********.
> 
> asking I/NSP tech support questions is sometimes like dealing with an evil robot parrot.
> 
> /Anthony
> 





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Sep 24 15:34:22 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 24 Sep 2002 09:34:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI error (got gid -1)
In-Reply-To: <01a001c263c4$dd51a350$a73ca8c0@john>
References: <01a001c263c4$dd51a350$a73ca8c0@john>
Message-ID: <1032874462.5317.22.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Take another look at your webserver configuration (I'm guessing its
apache...).  Make sure that your group id is actually set to Nobody
(gid=99).  Afterwards, stop apache and then restart it.

On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 08:21, Ganael LAPLANCHE wrote:
> Hi all !
> 
> I've got a very strange error using mailman...
> I compiled the sources specifying the right mail gid (12 for me) and the right cgi gid (99), but
> when I create the test list and I try to access the web page, I get this error :
> 
> Mailman CGI error!!!
> This entry is being stored in your syslog: 
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid -1.  (Reconfigure to take -1?)
> What is this strange gid : -1 ? Is this a bug ? Does anyone know a solution ?
> Thank you.
> Gan.
> 





From glaplanche at jouve.fr  Tue Sep 24 15:37:47 2002
From: glaplanche at jouve.fr (Ganael LAPLANCHE)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:37:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI error (got gid -1)
References: <01a001c263c4$dd51a350$a73ca8c0@john> <1032874462.5317.22.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <01e601c263cf$92d94d90$a73ca8c0@john>

Hi Jon,

That's what I did, but I get the same error again and again...
What is surprising is getting a negative ID...

I found It was an apache bug... but i don't know if it's been fixed...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
To: "Ganael LAPLANCHE" <glaplanche at jouve.fr>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] CGI error (got gid -1)


> Take another look at your webserver configuration (I'm guessing its
> apache...).  Make sure that your group id is actually set to Nobody
> (gid=99).  Afterwards, stop apache and then restart it.
>
> On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 08:21, Ganael LAPLANCHE wrote:
> > Hi all !
> >
> > I've got a very strange error using mailman...
> > I compiled the sources specifying the right mail gid (12 for me) and the
right cgi gid (99), but
> > when I create the test list and I try to access the web page, I get this
error :
> >
> > Mailman CGI error!!!
> > This entry is being stored in your syslog:
> > Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid -1.  (Reconfigure to
take -1?)
> > What is this strange gid : -1 ? Is this a bug ? Does anyone know a
solution ?
> > Thank you.
> > Gan.
> >
>
>
>




From chris at yonderway.com  Tue Sep 24 15:34:07 2002
From: chris at yonderway.com (Chris Hedemark)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:34:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Postfix alias files
In-Reply-To: <20020923113023.A20637@ssc.com>
Message-ID: <4D04177E-CFC2-11D6-8E88-0003939CC61E@yonderway.com>

On Monday, September 23, 2002, at 02:30 PM, Dan Wilder wrote:
> I use the aliases generated when setting up a Mailman list according to
> instructions using "newlist".  Just plug them into /etc/aliases, run
>
>   postalias /etc/aliases
>
> and whee!  Off to the races!

Newlist can output directly to /etc/postfix/aliases with one little 
command line argument ya know.  Saves some time.   You just need to 
make sure that mailman belongs to the group that owns 
/etc/postfix/aliases, and that the file is group writable.




From ler at lerctr.org  Tue Sep 24 15:41:27 2002
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: 24 Sep 2002 08:41:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Request from one of my List Owners
Message-ID: <1032874887.376.26.camel@lerlaptop.lerctr.org>

One of my listowners asked the following:

does this list software have the capability of sending an email to the
list when a new members comes aboard? I think that might help some of
these folks know who is and isn't associated without having to go to the
website, etc.


This list is a private list, and not advertised and is a close knit
bunch, but people would like to know whose on the list. 

If there is a way for me to hook this, that would be fine.

I'm running 2.1b3. 

Thanks...
-- 
Larry Rosenman                     http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
Phone: +1 972-414-9812                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749




From chris at yonderway.com  Tue Sep 24 15:35:47 2002
From: chris at yonderway.com (Chris Hedemark)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:35:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix alias files
In-Reply-To: <3D8F5713.6333FC06@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <885B9CB4-CFC2-11D6-8E88-0003939CC61E@yonderway.com>

Postfix is a drop-in replacement for sendmail.

It can use sendmail-style aliases (default).  But it can also use MySQL 
or LDAP.

As an added bonus, unlike Sendmail, the configuration files are human 
readable.

On Monday, September 23, 2002, at 02:01 PM, Kory Wheatley wrote:

> Question, what are the alias files configured like for POSTFIX when
> using Mailman, are they the same syntax as Sendmail?
> Could someone give me an example?
>
> --
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From wash at wananchi.com  Tue Sep 24 15:54:38 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:54:38 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hi resource usage
In-Reply-To: <E17toab-0008Uh-00@mx1.uunet.co.ke>
References: <000001c2639e$12db74f0$c764a8c0@void> <E17toab-0008Uh-00@mx1.uunet.co.ke>
Message-ID: <20020924135438.GE64689@ns2.wananchi.com>

* Joseph Okech <jokech at ke.uu.net> [20020924 15:16]: wrote:
> Im experiencing this problem too, I have about  12 lists and this works 
> perfectly, but whe I add my other lists, Python takes up about 70% cpu usage, 
> but this is a very critical box.
> Im running 2.0.13 on FreeBSD 4.5


First, IMHO, there is no comparison between 2.0.13 and 2.1b3 - the later runs as a
daemon, the former doesn't, but one question beckons:

At what point do you TWO notice these CPU Usage stats?



        cheers
       - wash 
+----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com	. WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE)  |
http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/		. 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St.,  |
GSM: (+254) 722 743 223			. # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI             |
+---------------------------------+------------------------------------------+
"Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!"  
						 --from a /. post



From jokech at ke.uu.net  Tue Sep 24 16:31:45 2002
From: jokech at ke.uu.net (Joseph Okech)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:31:45 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hi resource usage
In-Reply-To: <20020924135438.GE64689@ns2.wananchi.com>
References: <000001c2639e$12db74f0$c764a8c0@void> <E17toab-0008Uh-00@mx1.uunet.co.ke> <20020924135438.GE64689@ns2.wananchi.com>
Message-ID: <E17tqgg-000EuN-00@mx1.uunet.co.ke>

This usually hits me in the morning hours since my lists dont receive so much 
traffic at night 

Joseph

On Tuesday 24 September 2002 04:54 pm, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> * Joseph Okech <jokech at ke.uu.net> [20020924 15:16]: wrote:
> > Im experiencing this problem too, I have about  12 lists and this works
> > perfectly, but whe I add my other lists, Python takes up about 70% cpu
> > usage, but this is a very critical box.
> > Im running 2.0.13 on FreeBSD 4.5
>
> First, IMHO, there is no comparison between 2.0.13 and 2.1b3 - the later
> runs as a daemon, the former doesn't, but one question beckons:
>
> At what point do you TWO notice these CPU Usage stats?
>
>
>
>         cheers
>        - wash
> +----------------------------------+---------------------------------------
>--+ Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com	. WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi,
> KE)  | http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/		. 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St., 
> | GSM: (+254) 722 743 223			. # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI             |
> +---------------------------------+----------------------------------------
>--+ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!"
> 						 --from a /. post




From beteachable at hotmail.com  Tue Sep 24 16:38:53 2002
From: beteachable at hotmail.com (Know How)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:38:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error while Configuring mailman-2.0.13
Message-ID: <F253Wy3rB07XOq3JkrK0000056b@hotmail.com>

Hi,
  I compiled mailman-2.0.13 on HP-UX with follwoing options
./configure --prefix=/opt/mailman-2.0.13 --with-mail-gid=102 
--with-cgi-gid=102

"make" and "make install" was successful.

When i post an email to list from admin email address, I started getting 
bounce mail having following Mailer error shown below:

=======================================================================
  ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/opt/mailman-2.0.13/mail/wrapper post test"
    (expanded from: <test at mailman.mydomain.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 102, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to take 1?)
554 "|/opt/mailman-2.0.13/mail/wrapper post ntis_test"... unknown mailer 
error 2

Reporting-MTA: dns; mailman.mydomain.com
Received-From-MTA: DNS; mydomain.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:07:32 -0400 (EDT)

=====================================================================


I went through the mailing list and found out about smrsh and configured 
/var/adm/sm.bin direstory (For HP-UX) and made link for wrapper from 
/opt/mailman-2.0.13/mail/wrapper in /var/adm/sm.bin directory. Below is the 
message i see in syslog file.

======================================================================
Sep 24 09:55:30 mailman smrsh: usage
Sep 24 09:55:33 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Usage: /var/adm/sm.bin/wrapper 
program [args...]
Sep 24 10:07:33 mailman sendmail[16738]: KAA16738: 
from=<test at something.com>, size=982, class=0, pri=30982, nrcpts=1, 
msgid=<F27nt0bu5wvQaTiVn9P000065f4 at something.com>, proto=ESMTP, 
relay=myrelay.com [192.168.1.1]
Sep 24 10:07:33 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED 
gid 102, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to take 1?)
Sep 24 10:07:33 mailman sendmail[16739]: KAA16738: 
to="|/opt/mailman-2.0.13/mail/wrapper post ntis_test", delay=00:00:01, 
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 2
Sep 24 09:55:41 mailman smrsh: usage
Sep 24 10:07:33 mailman sendmail[16739]: KAA16738: KAA16739: DSN: unknown 
mailer error 2
Sep 24 10:07:35 mailman sendmail[16739]: KAA16739: to=<test at something.com>, 
delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=esmtp, relay=ms.something.com. 
[65.54.254.145], stat=Sent ( <200209241407.KAA16739 at mailman.something.com> 
Queued mail for delivery)
=======================================================================

If you observe the above syslog message, you can see the following message

"Sep 24 09:55:33 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Usage: 
/var/adm/sm.bin/wrapper program [args...]"


I read through all README, manual pages and mailing list, and i did not see 
any other solution other than smrsh.

Note: The man pages of smrsh says that smrsh does allow use of #! in sm.bin 
(Under HP-UX), but wrapper uses to post script as an argument in alias file. 
This post script has #! (as we use in any other shell scripts). Does this 
affect the smrsh program????

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

_________________________________________________________________
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From glaplanche at jouve.fr  Tue Sep 24 16:42:24 2002
From: glaplanche at jouve.fr (Ganael LAPLANCHE)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:42:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI error (got gid -1)
References: <01a001c263c4$dd51a350$a73ca8c0@john> <1032874462.5317.22.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> <01e601c263cf$92d94d90$a73ca8c0@john>
Message-ID: <022201c263d8$98f739e0$a73ca8c0@john>

Arg... I should have checked the httpd.conf twice...
gid was set to (-1)...

Thanks a lot !
Gan.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ganael LAPLANCHE" <glaplanche at jouve.fr>
To: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] CGI error (got gid -1)


> Hi Jon,
>
> That's what I did, but I get the same error again and again...
> What is surprising is getting a negative ID...
>
> I found It was an apache bug... but i don't know if it's been fixed...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> To: "Ganael LAPLANCHE" <glaplanche at jouve.fr>
> Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 3:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] CGI error (got gid -1)
>
>
> > Take another look at your webserver configuration (I'm guessing its
> > apache...).  Make sure that your group id is actually set to Nobody
> > (gid=99).  Afterwards, stop apache and then restart it.
> >
> > On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 08:21, Ganael LAPLANCHE wrote:
> > > Hi all !
> > >
> > > I've got a very strange error using mailman...
> > > I compiled the sources specifying the right mail gid (12 for me) and
the
> right cgi gid (99), but
> > > when I create the test list and I try to access the web page, I get
this
> error :
> > >
> > > Mailman CGI error!!!
> > > This entry is being stored in your syslog:
> > > Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid -1.  (Reconfigure to
> take -1?)
> > > What is this strange gid : -1 ? Is this a bug ? Does anyone know a
> solution ?
> > > Thank you.
> > > Gan.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Sep 24 17:28:12 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 24 Sep 2002 11:28:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI error (got gid -1)
In-Reply-To: <01e601c263cf$92d94d90$a73ca8c0@john>
References: <01a001c263c4$dd51a350$a73ca8c0@john>
	<1032874462.5317.22.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> 
	<01e601c263cf$92d94d90$a73ca8c0@john>
Message-ID: <1032881293.5321.59.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Did you check your /etc/group file to check that "nobody" is actually
defined in the file?

Oddly enough, I remember having this problem at a clients - but the
solution was like a 5 minute fix so I don't remember what I did, and I
didn't chronicle it.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 09:37, Ganael LAPLANCHE wrote:
> Hi Jon,
> 
> That's what I did, but I get the same error again and again...
> What is surprising is getting a negative ID...
> 
> I found It was an apache bug... but i don't know if it's been fixed...
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> To: "Ganael LAPLANCHE" <glaplanche at jouve.fr>
> Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 3:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] CGI error (got gid -1)
> 
> 
> > Take another look at your webserver configuration (I'm guessing its
> > apache...).  Make sure that your group id is actually set to Nobody
> > (gid=99).  Afterwards, stop apache and then restart it.
> >
> > On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 08:21, Ganael LAPLANCHE wrote:
> > > Hi all !
> > >
> > > I've got a very strange error using mailman...
> > > I compiled the sources specifying the right mail gid (12 for me) and the
> right cgi gid (99), but
> > > when I create the test list and I try to access the web page, I get this
> error :
> > >
> > > Mailman CGI error!!!
> > > This entry is being stored in your syslog:
> > > Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid -1.  (Reconfigure to
> take -1?)
> > > What is this strange gid : -1 ? Is this a bug ? Does anyone know a
> solution ?
> > > Thank you.
> > > Gan.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Sep 24 17:31:23 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 24 Sep 2002 11:31:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Request from one of my List Owners
In-Reply-To: <1032874887.376.26.camel@lerlaptop.lerctr.org>
References: <1032874887.376.26.camel@lerlaptop.lerctr.org>
Message-ID: <1032881484.5317.63.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Hmm, you could put the list email address in the admin section and then
configure the list to email the admins whenever a person joins or leaves
the list...

Alternately, you could write a small script that scans the log files
hourly looking for a new subscribe entry.  The have it email the results
(if any) to the list.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes
===
On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 09:41, Larry Rosenman wrote:
> One of my listowners asked the following:
> 
> does this list software have the capability of sending an email to the
> list when a new members comes aboard? I think that might help some of
> these folks know who is and isn't associated without having to go to the
> website, etc.
> 
> 
> This list is a private list, and not advertised and is a close knit
> bunch, but people would like to know whose on the list. 
> 
> If there is a way for me to hook this, that would be fine.
> 
> I'm running 2.1b3. 
> 
> Thanks...
> -- 
> Larry Rosenman                     http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
> Phone: +1 972-414-9812                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
> US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Sep 24 17:34:11 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 24 Sep 2002 11:34:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hi resource usage
In-Reply-To: <E17tqgg-000EuN-00@mx1.uunet.co.ke>
References: <000001c2639e$12db74f0$c764a8c0@void>
	<E17toab-0008Uh-00@mx1.uunet.co.ke>
	<20020924135438.GE64689@ns2.wananchi.com> 
	<E17tqgg-000EuN-00@mx1.uunet.co.ke>
Message-ID: <1032881652.5321.66.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

You should be running a caching name server on the same machine. Plus
your machine should be set to use itself as the main DNS reslover (In
DNS you will use forwarders to point to other DNS servers).

It helps a lot with the resources. 

On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 10:31, Joseph Okech wrote:
> This usually hits me in the morning hours since my lists dont receive so much 
> traffic at night 
> 
> Joseph
> 
> On Tuesday 24 September 2002 04:54 pm, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> > * Joseph Okech <jokech at ke.uu.net> [20020924 15:16]: wrote:
> > > Im experiencing this problem too, I have about  12 lists and this works
> > > perfectly, but whe I add my other lists, Python takes up about 70% cpu
> > > usage, but this is a very critical box.
> > > Im running 2.0.13 on FreeBSD 4.5
> >
> > First, IMHO, there is no comparison between 2.0.13 and 2.1b3 - the later
> > runs as a daemon, the former doesn't, but one question beckons:
> >
> > At what point do you TWO notice these CPU Usage stats?
> >
> >
> >
> >         cheers
> >        - wash
> > +----------------------------------+---------------------------------------
> >--+ Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com	. WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi,
> > KE)  | http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/		. 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St., 
> > | GSM: (+254) 722 743 223			. # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI             |
> > +---------------------------------+----------------------------------------
> >--+ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!"
> > 						 --from a /. post
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/





From markgill at GreatBooks.Org  Tue Sep 24 18:12:43 2002
From: markgill at GreatBooks.Org (Mark Gillingham)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:12:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.0.9 file permission, lock
Message-ID: <sd9048b8.033@GBF_2.greatbooks.org>

I upgraded from RH 7.2 to 7.3 and with it Mailman to 2.0.9. Following
the upgrade I needed to fix file permissions using the Python command
(check_perms -f). I am still getting errors. 

First, the Web interface will not authenticate an administrator or
user. A page is displayed that there is a bug in Mailman 2.0.9.

Second, when I issue a command (e.g., remove_members) I get a lock
error. 

IOError No 28. No space on device.  ...lock.my.domain.xxxxx

What shouild be next step me?

Mark



From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Sep 24 19:18:34 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:18:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not Sure If These Made It Out... 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Jim Hale" <jim-ml@halemail.dyndns.org> 
   of "Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:23:28 CDT." <000101c263c5$3025dc90$fa010a0a@HALE.local> 
References: <000101c263c5$3025dc90$fa010a0a@HALE.local> 
Message-ID: <6599.1032887914@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:23:28 -0500 
Jim Hale <jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org> wrote:

> soundfonts-bounces at halemail.dyndns.org on behalf of Jim
> [jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org]

This is solely due to outlook misinterpreting the Sender header in
violation of the RFC definition.  Complain to Microsoft.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From mailman at tux.org  Tue Sep 24 19:28:50 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:28:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing messages to archives
In-Reply-To: <3D8FC049.4F08EF28@whidbey.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209241314540.22629-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

Hmmm ...  Just "thinking out loud" for the moment while I continue to
think about what you have said below, it sure -sounds- like the process
of editing the Subject: line has somehow messed up the headers such that
it now looks like the body of the message starts where the Subject line
was ...  For example, if you took out the Subject: line entirely, the
blank line left it its place would look like a header/body separator
that would make some headers appear as part of the body, and it would
certainly look like the message now had no subject.  On the other hand,
you say "all" of the headers are displayed (do you really mean "all",
or would "most" be more precise?), and of course you are not wiping out
the Subject line.  What editor are you using?  Is it doing anything
funny or unexpected with the file when you edit/save it (hint: use
od for a byte-by-byte comparison)?

I will continue to puzzle this, and try some experiments if possible.
In the meantime, try to get an iron grip on what -- exactly -- happens
to the file when you edit it (another hint: think of your file as a
set of arbitrary bytes, and forget for the moment that the bytes mean
something to you).

- Andrew

  ----------------------------------------------------------------
  Mailman Administrator   -   http://www.tux.org/mailman/listinfo/

On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, G. Armour Van Horn wrote:

> Okay, now we're half way home. The messages that I pasted in are all
> now visible in the archives for the appropriate time, but every one is
> listed as "No subject" and when you read them all of the original
> headers are displayed.
>
> There is a valid subject line, I'm replacing the three-letter name of
> the previous list with ABC:
>
>      Subject: [ABC] Detailed Charge Master Report
>
> Ass opposed to the same header if I send it in directly:
>
>      Subject: [Test] test to look at headers
>
> So, do I need to replace headers on the additional messages to make
> this work? Or should it have already worked?
>
> Van




From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Tue Sep 24 19:48:24 2002
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:48:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing subject line before getting to mailman...
Message-ID: <NGBBLKFIDENNFHKFMGAIIEFOCFAA.badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk>

... I would like for people to be able to subscribe to my lists by sending
an email to list at domain.com instead of list-request at domain.com with subject
line subscribe. I know, I know, that is the address used to post to the
list, but this is a one-way list, and only I would know what address to post
to. Some people seem too DUMB to grab the concept of point and bloody click
on the website, or email to the right address, with the right commands.
---
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From michel at ziobudda.net  Tue Sep 24 20:41:12 2002
From: michel at ziobudda.net (Michel 'ZioBudda' Morelli)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:41:12 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No archives generated
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209242037230.1599-100000@miclaptop>

Hi, I have mailman 2.0.12. It works all now, but I have a problem from
July: no web-archives is generated.

Every time that a email arrives the web archives is rewrite from zero so
only the last message is visible, but not visible-visible: it is visible
only if I "call"

http://lists.ziobudda.net/pipermail/php-it/2002-September/thread.html

Why this ???

if I "call" http://lists.ziobudda.net/pipermail/php-it/
there is nothing about july or august or september...

The only thing that I had do is that I have changed my linux box and copy
the old ML into new machine.

Plz help...

Tnx


--
Lo psichiatra e' un tizio che vi fa un sacco di
domande costose che vostra moglie vi fa gratis.

--
Michel <ZioBudda> Morelli               michel at ziobudda.net

ICQ UIN: 58351764                       PR of Linux in Italy
http://www.ziobudda.net                 http://www.phpdev.it




From michel at ziobudda.net  Tue Sep 24 20:41:46 2002
From: michel at ziobudda.net (Michel 'ZioBudda' Morelli)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:41:46 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error: Cannot allocate memory
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209240939180.1539-100000@miclaptop>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209242041260.1599-100000@miclaptop>

On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Michel 'ZioBudda' Morelli wrote:

>Hi, I have mailman 2.0.12 .
>Often I receive this error (in my web error log):

Sorry sorry and sorry for my stupid question.

bye...
--
Ma in una banca  del seme, cosa danno di interessi?
--
Michel <ZioBudda> Morelli               michel at ziobudda.net

ICQ UIN: 58351764                       PR of Linux in Italy
http://www.ziobudda.net                 http://www.phpdev.it




From wheakory at isu.edu  Tue Sep 24 20:52:09 2002
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:52:09 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with mailman and postfix
Message-ID: <3D90B459.7D6C06CA@isu.edu>

I recently switched from Sendmail to Postfix running on Mailman 2.1b3
Red Hat 7.3 and I followed all the instructions in the README.POSTFIX
file. I've got the aliases located in "/home/mailman/data" and mailman
as the "mail-gid", not using virtual domains. Turned off Sendmail and
turned on Postfix and when I send a message nothing happens, nothing
goes in the queue directory, nothing goes in the mailman log files, it's

as if nothing was sent, because nothing is reported in
/var/spool/postfix.

In the Postfix configuration file (main.cf) I changed the myhostname to
"myhostname= kwlinux.isu.edu" , which is my Mailmans machines hostname.
I changed mydomain to "mydomain = isu.edu" and mydestination is setup as

"mydestination= $myhostname, localhost, $mydomain" and the
inet_interfaces is setup as "inet_interface = localhost". Changed
alias_map to point to the alias file in mailman,
is there something I'm missing, is there something else I need to
activate on my system, or
tell my Red Hat Linux 7.3 that Postfix is now the MTA.

--
#########################################
Kory Wheatley
Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
Phone 282-3874
#########################################
Everything must point to him.





From mailman-users at spambox.dk  Tue Sep 24 21:56:30 2002
From: mailman-users at spambox.dk (Henrik Larsson)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:56:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't submit administrative requests
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20020924215628.02cb1118@wheresmymailserver.com>

Just installed Mailman 2.1b3.

Have no problems with sending mail to Mailman or get Mailman to send mail out.

The problem is when i moderate a list.

When the message is recived by Mailman, the administrator recives the mail 
that says there are waiting messages for approval.

But when the administrator logs in and selects Defer, Accept, Reject or 
Discard and then "Submit All Data", i just loops back to the same page 
again. The message is never accepted or rejected, and i can't go anywhere else.

Any solution to this?

Im new with Mailman, so if you need any futher information or configuration 
files just tell me what you need.

Best regards Henrik 




From kremels at kreme.com  Tue Sep 24 22:51:24 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:51:24 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject_postfix?
Message-ID: <6337502B-CFFF-11D6-BE7A-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>

There is an admin setting for subject prefix, is there anyway to easily 
change that to a subject postfix?

So, instead of "Subject: [The List] this is a subject" I'd have 
"Subject: this is a subject [The List]"

I don't want to eliminate the [] because some subscribers have 
primitive mail abilities and only understand filtering on the subject 
of the message and "If subject contains "[The List]" won't break.




From proxy at sip.utc.sk  Mon Sep 23 16:59:26 2002
From: proxy at sip.utc.sk (Palo Segec)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:59:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.0.13 pipermail problem
Message-ID: <200209231459.g8NExQT16095@proxy.sip.utc.sk>

Hi,

I have problem with pipermail archive of the mailman 2.0.13 distribution, I'd 
done installation as was at INSTALL file, but I can't access to the pipermail 
archive. Answer from web server is

 The requested URL /pipermail/list/ was not found on this server. NOT FOUND.


list is the name of my testing mail group.

thanks
segi



From dagilbert at raytheon.com  Mon Sep 23 21:25:15 2002
From: dagilbert at raytheon.com (David A Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:25:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to change to archiving setting after list has already been
 created?
Message-ID: <OF9E9CE1B3.5C2D4C77-ON88256C3D.00680F2C@mck.us.ray.com>

Hello,

I need to change a bunch of existing lists that are currently doing 2 below
(archive to both mbox and builtin mailman html archiving) to 1 below
(archive to mbox to use an external archiving mechanism only).
# ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX
      #-1 - do not do any archiving
      # 0 - do not archive to mbox, use builtin mailman html archiving only
      # 1 - archive to mbox to use an external archiving mechanism only
      # 2 - archive to both mbox and builtin mailman html archiving -
      #     use this to make both external archiving mechanism work and
      #     mailman's builtin html archiving.  the flat mail file can be
      #     useful for searching, external archivers, etc.
      #
ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2

I looked at the parameters that could be configured using the config_list
script, I did a dumpdb of the list database file and I checked the archive
options on the Web Admin page for the list and there only seemed to be the
option to turn archiving on or off, not to change the type of archiving.

Any help is appreciated, thanks.

David
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

David A Gilbert
Raytheon Company
310.334.1070
email: dagilbert at raytheon.com
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From Alec at MysteryVault.net  Tue Sep 24 05:17:54 2002
From: Alec at MysteryVault.net (J. Alec West)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:17:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newsletter question
Message-ID: <000801c26379$0b1344c0$fe5291c6@proaxis.com>

Hello,

I'm considering switching to a webhost that allows Mailman use and had one simple question.  Can Mailman be set up to be used as a newsletter ... that is sent to a number of subscribers in such a way that subscribers cannot "reply" to the subscriber-list?

Regards,
J. Alec West

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From rosc at imc.nl  Tue Sep 24 09:24:00 2002
From: rosc at imc.nl (Roelf Schreurs)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:24:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hi resource usage
References: <000001c26391$90844330$c764a8c0@void> <20020924062403.GC40709@ns2.wananchi.com>
Message-ID: <3D901310.1080309@imc.nl>

Hi

We have 23 lists. The highest is about 200-250 mails a day, then 3 of 
50-75 a day and the rest very slow mail groups.

I also ran the previous version of mailman (2.0.9) and did not have any 
problems. Only after I upgraded to the new mailman. When mailman started 
running as a daemon, it took the server straight to hell.

Roelf



Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> * Roelf <mailman-users at imc.nl> [20020924 09:15]: wrote:
> 
>>Hi
>>
>>I'm running mailman 2.1b3 and python 2.2.1 on FreeBSD 4.4 on Dell
>>Poweredge 2500, P 3 1000MHz, 1GB memory and RAID.
>>
>>But mailman takes a lot of resources with archiving.
>>
>>  PID USERNAME        PRI NICE  SIZE    RES STATE    TIME   WCPU    CPU
>>COMMAND
>>37459 mailman          53   0 87068K 85380K RUN      144.2H 96.78%
>>96.78% python
>>
>>Restart mailman
>>
>>  PID USERNAME        PRI NICE  SIZE    RES STATE    TIME   WCPU    CPU
>>COMMAND
>>33270 mailman          58   0 29536K 27996K RUN      6:45 86.04% 86.04%
>>python
>>  201 root              2   0   932K   552K select   8:41  0.00%  0.00%
>>syslogd
>>
>>33270  ??  R      6:52.04 qrunner /opt/mailman/bin/qrunner
>>--runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s (python)
>>
>>Has anybody else seen this problem and any ideas on how to solve this.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I run FreeBSD 4.7-PRE with Mailman-2.0.14. The box is a 500MHz with 256MB and
> runs a whole lot other services but sincerely speaking I haven't seen a problem
> with Mailman. maybe this is because 
> 
> 1. My lists are not big/busy enough
> 2. I haven't caught the archiver process in action.
> 
> 
> On another box with 2.1b3 (FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE, Python-2.2.1, 1.4GHz, 256MB RAM)
> I also haven't had this problem.
> 
> How large are your lists and how busy?
> 
> 
> 
>         cheers
>        - wash 
> +----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
> Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com	. WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE)  |
> http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/		. 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St.,  |
> GSM: (+254) 722 743 223			. # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI             |
> +---------------------------------+------------------------------------------+
> "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!"  
> 						 --from a /. post


-- 
Roelf Schreurs
IMC Amsterdam
+31 20 527 5092

Chaos reigns within.
Reflect, repent, and reboot.
Order shall return.





From martymac at martymac.com  Tue Sep 24 11:10:02 2002
From: martymac at martymac.com (Ganael LAPLANCHE)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:10:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI error (GOT gid -1)
Message-ID: <00e401c263aa$2a5a8240$a73ca8c0@john>

Hi all !

I've got a very strange error using mailman...
I compiled the sources specifying the right mail gid (12 for me) and the right cgi gid (99), but
when I create the test list and I try to access the web page, I get this error :

Mailman CGI error!!!
This entry is being stored in your syslog: 
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid -1.  (Reconfigure to take -1?)

What is this strange gid : -1 ? Is this a bug ? Does anyone know a solution ?
Thank you.
Gan.

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From lars at rockar.nu  Tue Sep 24 12:10:42 2002
From: lars at rockar.nu (Lars Andersson)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:10:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] formating of List-specific welcome message?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209241208590.4571-100000@bsd.rockar.nu>

I'm having some problems formating welcome messages to new users. I want
to be able to put some newlines in the welcome message ( the field
"List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome message" on the
admin pages).

When i put one linebreak it's silently ignored, when I put two it gives
me two linebreaks.

For example, I want to format it like this

Headline
========
Text

When I enter it like above i get
Headline ==== Text
in the welcome mails.

When I enter the following
Headline

=======

Text


I get this in the mail

Headline

=======

Text


Maybe it's not possible to get the linebreaks like I want it. In any way
I'm mighty pleased with the performance of Mailman.

I'm using the following when I enter the text on the admin pages.
Browser: 	Opera Version 6.02 on Linux.
Mailman:	2.0.13 with a large list (+14k subscribers) and a few small lists

To read the formating of the mail I'm using pine and mutt.

Regards
/Lars




From drumguru at ameritech.net  Tue Sep 24 15:20:45 2002
From: drumguru at ameritech.net (drumguru)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:20:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring mailman for a simpler purpose
Message-ID: <012701c263cd$30c72c00$c5e20241@nash1.tn.home.com>

Hi! My new hosting service, clevelandhosting.com, has recommended Mailman. I have need of a simple "one way" newletter email program to broadcast announcements to my customer email list, with the only recipient options being to subscribe or unsubscribe: no discussion features, etc. Is mailman configurable to do this or should I look elsewhere?

George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.Drumguru.com
e mail george at GeorgesDrumShop.com
330 670 0800
866 970 0800 toll free
 
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
                                   -Chinese proverb

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From simon at babelfix.com  Tue Sep 24 17:27:10 2002
From: simon at babelfix.com (Simon Forster)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:27:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on OS X
Message-ID: <1818FE6E-CFD2-11D6-A10A-0050E4CE1D03@babelfix.com>

Hi

Just like to say thank you and congratulations. I'm NOT a *nix guru but 
I downloaded the latest version of Mailman and managed to compile and 
configure it on Mac OS X 10.2.1 without any great dramas. The install 
guide helped me out with most issues. I think the biggest problem was 
working out where smrsh wanted the wrapper app to be! (FWIW, 
/usr/adm/sm.bin was the path I ended up using).

So thanks.

Simon Forster
_________________________________________________
BabelFix Ltd, Office One, 16 Canham Road, London, W3 7SR, UK
<tel int="+44 20 8746 0555" uk="020 8746 0555">
<tel int="+44 70 9230 5244" uk="070 9230 5244">
<fax int="+44 70 9230 5247" uk="070 9230 5247">
<mailto:simon at babelfix.com>
_________________________________________________




From justin at theenvoygroup.com  Tue Sep 24 23:04:07 2002
From: justin at theenvoygroup.com (Justin Bellars)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:04:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question re: interfacing list with MySQL and message throttling
Message-ID: <000001c2640d$ef7b8fc0$2200a8c0@gregpc>

Hi,
 
I have a few questions and no idea who to ask. I've been looking for an
MLM that will meet some particular needs.
 
1) would like the subscriber list to interact with a MySQL membership
database, don't know if Mailman provides this functionality already or
if a proprietary solution would have to be developed (I kinda' figured
MySQL would be mentioned if this were already a built-in feature.)
 
2) would like to know if any MLM, whether Mailman or not, has a built-in
facility for throttling the rate at which messages are delivered to
particular domains like AOL or Yahoo, which seem to have thresholds set
up for blocking (HTML) messages (in particular) altogether if they are
directed to some number of recipients per second or minute. (i.e. you
get blacklisted as a spammer, even if you are sending legitimate
membership emails to subscribed members of your list) [Not particularly
fond of the notion of paying money-grubbing ISPs to be on their
"whitelist" for the "privilege" of sending email to their users.]
 
3) I'm looking for an MLM that can process a job to a non-profit mailing
list of 1 million constituent members within 12 hours. I don't know if
the bottleneck is the bandwidth, the mail program, a combination of the
two or something else altogether, if anyone else has a clue, please
enlighten me.
 
Would like to use an Open Source product, since I'm trying to replace an
M$ windows-based product and the server upon which it resides.
 
I would be extremely grateful for any constructive replies!
 
Thanks,
 
Justin
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From jbellars at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 24 23:35:43 2002
From: jbellars at yahoo.com (Justin Bellars)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:35:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question re: interfacing list with MySQL and message throttling
Message-ID: <20020924213543.19663.qmail@web10807.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I have a few questions and no idea who to ask. I?ve been looking for an
MLM that will meet some particular needs.

1) would like the subscriber list to interact with a MySQL membership
database, don?t know if Mailman provides this functionality already or
if a proprietary solution would have to be developed (I kinda? figured
MySQL would be mentioned if this were already a built-in feature?)

2) would like to know if any MLM, whether Mailman or not, has a
built-in facility for throttling the rate at which messages are
delivered to particular domains like AOL or Yahoo, which seem to have
thresholds set up for blocking (HTML) messages (in particular)
altogether if they are directed to some number of recipients per second
or minute. (i.e. you get blacklisted as a spammer, even if you are
sending legitimate membership emails to subscribed members of your
list) [Not particularly fond of the notion of paying money-grubbing
ISPs to be on their ?whitelist? for the ?privilege? of sending email to
their users.]

3) I?m looking for an MLM that can process a job to a non-profit
mailing list of 1 million constituent members within 12 hours. I don?t
know if the bottleneck is the bandwidth, the mail program, a
combination of the two or something else altogether, if anyone else has
a clue, please enlighten me.

Would like to use an Open Source product, since I?m trying to replace
an M$ windows-based product and the server upon which it resides.

I would be extremely grateful for any constructive replies!

Thanks,

Justin


__________________________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
http://sbc.yahoo.com



From sean2 at mail.zerolag.com  Wed Sep 25 00:30:30 2002
From: sean2 at mail.zerolag.com (sean2 at mail.zerolag.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:30:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tracking email addresses.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0209241526460.30091-100000@mail.zerolag.com>

Hi there,

I am new to mailman and require some assistance. Hopefully someone will be
able to help me.

I have an opt-in newsletter and I am using mailman to send it
out. However, it seems that a few accounts on the machine that runs
mailman are also recieving the newsletters I am sending out, and I can't
find their addresses anywhere in the subscription. It's possible that they
are recieving the email via some alias or somesuch. I would like a way to
find out how the newsletter got to these email boxes - the header of the
email just says "to: listname at listmachine.com" instead of
"user at listmachine.com". Is there any way to track this down without
sending out another newsletter (and disrupting those users again)?

Thanks!
Sean Byron




From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Wed Sep 25 02:39:43 2002
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:39:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing messages to archives
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209241314540.22629-100000@gwyn.tux.org>
Message-ID: <3D9105CE.1D9868C8@whidbey.com>

I just did some more playing with this. Here is the start of an mbox that
Mailman saved for my test message:

     From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Sun Feb 18 13:11:51 2001
     Return-Path: <vanhorn at whidbey.com>
     Delivered-To: test at virtuoso.domainvanhorn.com
     Received: from whidbey.com (navagar.whidbey.com [209.166.64.252])
             by virtuoso.domainvanhorn.com (Postfix) with SMTP id
     D42AB2CA92
             for <test at virtuoso.domainvanhorn.com>; Sun, 18 Feb 2001
     13:11:50 -0800 (PST)
     Received: (qmail 18167 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2001 21:05:13
     -0000
     Received: from sw-dsl-88-61.whidbey.net (HELO whidbey.com)
     (209.166.88.61)
       by 172.16.44.130 with SMTP; 18 Feb 2001 21:05:13 -0000
     Message-ID: <3A9039B9.399C78EF at whidbey.com>
     Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 13:08:09 -0800
     From: "G. Armour Van Horn" <vanhorn at whidbey.com>
     Reply-To: vanhorn at whidbey.com
     ---etc---

Now, here is one that a recipient of the proposed list has (with a little
obscuring)

     From ???@??? Thu Sep 19 17:55:39 2002
     Return-Path: <owner-previousllist at host.listserver.COM>
     Received: from cherry.ease.lsoft.com ([209.119.0.109])
               by fed1mtai01.cox.net
               (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231)
     with ESMTP
               id
     <20020919154247.BJQB10064.fed1mtai01.cox.net at host.listserver.COM>
               for <user at COX.NET>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:42:47 -0400
     Received: from host.listserver.COM (209.119.0.19) by
     host.listserver.COM
     (LSMTP for Digital Unix v1.1b) with SMTP id
     <0.0072B851 at host.listserver.COM>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:42:47 -0400
     Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM by host.listserver.COM
     (LISTSERV-TCP/IP
               release 1.8e) with spool id 27831376 for
               AFFINITY-USERS at Phost.listserver.COM; Thu, 19 Sep 2002
     11:42:46
     -0400
     Received: from 207.203.19.220 by otherhosthost.listserver.COM
     (SMTPL release 1.0f)
               with TCP; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:32:46 -0400
     Received: by JMCMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id
     <S2RQYTL9>;
               Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:31:12 -0400
     MIME-Version: 1.0
     X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)
     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
     Message-ID:  <7BED479B5BD7D311BDA300508B55D23201B6A05F at JMCMAIL>
     Date:         Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:31:11 -0400
     Reply-To:     Previous list <Previous-USERS at host.listserver.COM>
     Sender:       Previous-users list
     <Previous-USERS at host.listserver.COM>
     From:         Cindy User <user at user.COM>
     ---etc---

Note that the divider (the line that has the "From " without a colon)
doesn't have a sender named in the Eudora file. I then took their file, and
since there are only about 20 messages in it, I manually replaced the
???@??? with the e-mail address of the sender of each message (as appears on
the "From: " with a colon) and now it works.

So, does anyone have a script around that will make that replacement? Or a
sketch of one? (I can't write Perl to save my life, but I can sure edit it
once a valid program exists.) (I suppose any script someone volunteered here
would be in Python, maybe I can learn to edit that too!)

Van





mailman at tux.org wrote:

> Hmmm ...  Just "thinking out loud" for the moment while I continue to
> think about what you have said below, it sure -sounds- like the process
> of editing the Subject: line has somehow messed up the headers such that
> it now looks like the body of the message starts where the Subject line
> was ...  For example, if you took out the Subject: line entirely, the
> blank line left it its place would look like a header/body separator
> that would make some headers appear as part of the body, and it would
> certainly look like the message now had no subject.  On the other hand,
> you say "all" of the headers are displayed (do you really mean "all",
> or would "most" be more precise?), and of course you are not wiping out
> the Subject line.  What editor are you using?  Is it doing anything
> funny or unexpected with the file when you edit/save it (hint: use
> od for a byte-by-byte comparison)?
>
> I will continue to puzzle this, and try some experiments if possible.
> In the meantime, try to get an iron grip on what -- exactly -- happens
> to the file when you edit it (another hint: think of your file as a
> set of arbitrary bytes, and forget for the moment that the bytes mean
> something to you).
>
> - Andrew
>
>   ----------------------------------------------------------------
>   Mailman Administrator   -   http://www.tux.org/mailman/listinfo/
>
> On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, G. Armour Van Horn wrote:
>
> > Okay, now we're half way home. The messages that I pasted in are all
> > now visible in the archives for the appropriate time, but every one is
> > listed as "No subject" and when you read them all of the original
> > headers are displayed.
> >
> > There is a valid subject line, I'm replacing the three-letter name of
> > the previous list with ABC:
> >
> >      Subject: [ABC] Detailed Charge Master Report
> >
> > Ass opposed to the same header if I send it in directly:
> >
> >      Subject: [Test] test to look at headers
> >
> > So, do I need to replace headers on the additional messages to make
> > this work? Or should it have already worked?
> >
> > Van

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From carmoda at zip.com.au  Wed Sep 25 02:37:48 2002
From: carmoda at zip.com.au (Anthony Carmody)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:37:48 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring mailman for a simpler purpose
References: <012701c263cd$30c72c00$c5e20241@nash1.tn.home.com>
Message-ID: <005701c2642b$d93b2ae0$6700a8c0@interfa.office>

George,

This is exactly what I use it for in [4] instances on my system.
I would suggest you then make clear instructions for people to remove themselves on every message sent out. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: drumguru 
  To: mailman-users at python.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 11:20 PM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring mailman for a simpler purpose


  Hi! My new hosting service, clevelandhosting.com, has recommended Mailman. I have need of a simple "one way" newletter email program to broadcast announcements to my customer email list, with the only recipient options being to subscribe or unsubscribe: no discussion features, etc. Is mailman configurable to do this or should I look elsewhere?

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From raquel at thericehouse.net  Wed Sep 25 02:52:57 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:52:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newsletter question
In-Reply-To: <000801c26379$0b1344c0$fe5291c6@proaxis.com>
References: <000801c26379$0b1344c0$fe5291c6@proaxis.com>
Message-ID: <20020924175257.1ca186e2.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:17:54 -0700
"J. Alec West" <Alec at MysteryVault.net> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I'm considering switching to a webhost that allows Mailman use and
> had one simple question.  Can Mailman be set up to be used as a
> newsletter ... that is sent to a number of subscribers in such a
> way that subscribers cannot "reply" to the subscriber-list?
> 
> Regards,
> J. Alec West

Yes it can.  What version will you have access to?

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From markgill at GreatBooks.Org  Wed Sep 25 03:41:41 2002
From: markgill at GreatBooks.Org (Mark Gillingham)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:41:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.0.9 file permission, lock
Message-ID: <sd90ce13.009@GBF_2.greatbooks.org>

I'm red (hat) faced. The reason for my trouble is that I am out of drive
space. I misread the drive stats. Now, I should look for space that RH
update used during the upgrade. Is there a doc about this that I
missed?

>>> "Mark Gillingham" <markgill at GreatBooks.Org> 09/24/02 11:12AM >>>
I upgraded from RH 7.2 to 7.3 and with it Mailman to 2.0.9. Following
the upgrade I needed to fix file permissions using the Python command
(check_perms -f). I am still getting errors. 

First, the Web interface will not authenticate an administrator or
user. A page is displayed that there is a bug in Mailman 2.0.9.

Second, when I issue a command (e.g., remove_members) I get a lock
error. 

IOError No 28. No space on device.  ...lock.my.domain.xxxxx

What shouild be next step me?

Mark

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Sep 25 03:49:42 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 24 Sep 2002 21:49:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing subject line before getting to
	mailman...
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLKFIDENNFHKFMGAIIEFOCFAA.badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk>
References: <NGBBLKFIDENNFHKFMGAIIEFOCFAA.badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1032918583.5878.255.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

IIRC, the list configuration defaults to Administriva = On
This means that it checks for list commands being sent to the main list
instead of the -request list.

I turn it off for my "support" lists, as they subjects often contain
words like: help, subscribe, etc...

Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 13:48, Angel Gabriel wrote:
> ... I would like for people to be able to subscribe to my lists by sending
> an email to list at domain.com instead of list-request at domain.com with subject
> line subscribe. I know, I know, that is the address used to post to the
> list, but this is a one-way list, and only I would know what address to post
> to. Some people seem too DUMB to grab the concept of point and bloody click
> on the website, or email to the right address, with the right commands.
> ---
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Sep 25 04:30:05 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 24 Sep 2002 22:30:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject_postfix?
In-Reply-To: <6337502B-CFFF-11D6-BE7A-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>
References: <6337502B-CFFF-11D6-BE7A-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>
Message-ID: <1032921006.5321.287.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

The only way I can think of is to muck with the source code.  It should
be an easy muck though...

Doing a grep of "subject_prefix" brings up some possibilities, and
points in particular to ~mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py

    <...snip>
        prefix = mlist.subject_prefix
        # we purposefully leave no space b/w prefix and subject!
        if not subject:
            msg['Subject'] = prefix + '(no subject)'
        elif prefix and not re.search(re.escape(prefix), subject, re.I):
            msg['Subject'] = prefix + subject
    <snip...>

Looks like you could simply reverse the subject and prefix:
  "prefix + subject" ==> "subject + prefix"

Have fun!

Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 16:51, LuKreme wrote:
> There is an admin setting for subject prefix, is there anyway to easily 
> change that to a subject postfix?
> 
> So, instead of "Subject: [The List] this is a subject" I'd have 
> "Subject: this is a subject [The List]"
> 
> I don't want to eliminate the [] because some subscribers have 
> primitive mail abilities and only understand filtering on the subject 
> of the message and "If subject contains "[The List]" won't break.
> 
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From mary.y.wang at boeing.com  Wed Sep 25 04:40:10 2002
From: mary.y.wang at boeing.com (Wang, Mary Y)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:40:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail List Encryption
Message-ID: <9C2F3AD0B86DC94B987EC4FB97C7A32405EEADA3@XCH-SW-08.sw.nos.boeing.com>

Hi,
I do I setup Mailman so that all emails being sent out are encrypted?
Or do I need to specify this in the Sendmail?

Any clue?  Thanks for any inputs.

Mary 




From sb.list at sb.org  Wed Sep 25 04:52:03 2002
From: sb.list at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:52:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change real_name for multiple domains?
Message-ID: <B9B69D13.459C0%sb.list@sb.org>

I saw a comment here:
<http://www.zope.org/Members/bwarsaw/MailmanDesignNotes/VirtualHosting> that
sounded like there were some practical ways to have lists with the same name
in multiple domains. The suggestions all required editing the Mailman
source.

That was about a year old. Is there a patch for Mailman 2.1 that provides
this feature, or is it still roll-your-own?

I'm running Mailman 2.1b3 on Mac OS X, with CommuniGate Pro as the MTA.

Thanks for any advice.

 - Stoney

-- 
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From mailman-users at imc.nl  Wed Sep 25 10:35:07 2002
From: mailman-users at imc.nl (Roelf)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:35:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hi resource usage
In-Reply-To: <20020924135438.GE64689@ns2.wananchi.com>
Message-ID: <000001c2646e$745c4760$c764a8c0@void>

Hi

What I noticed is that I stopped archiving the biggest list that we
have. It received 200-250 e-mail during 8 working hours. Now the system
resources seem to be normal.

Surely the archiving should be able to handle this??

Roelf

-----Original Message-----
From: Odhiambo Washington [mailto:wash at wananchi.com] 
Sent: dinsdag 24 september 2002 15:55
To: Joseph Okech
Cc: rosc at imc.nl; Roelf; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] hi resource usage

* Joseph Okech <jokech at ke.uu.net> [20020924 15:16]: wrote:
> Im experiencing this problem too, I have about  12 lists and this
works 
> perfectly, but whe I add my other lists, Python takes up about 70% cpu
usage, 
> but this is a very critical box.
> Im running 2.0.13 on FreeBSD 4.5


First, IMHO, there is no comparison between 2.0.13 and 2.1b3 - the later
runs as a
daemon, the former doesn't, but one question beckons:

At what point do you TWO notice these CPU Usage stats?



        cheers
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From ian at ozidata.com  Wed Sep 25 10:56:58 2002
From: ian at ozidata.com (Ian Holder)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:56:58 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Real Names
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209251855270.10909-100000@kangaroo.ozidata.com>

Hi,

Is there anyway to specify the real names of subscribed e-mail users?

ie: When you access a list of subscribers it just shows "john at doe.com", 
is there anyway to specify the subscribers real name next to the e-mail 
address?

Thanks.




From nb at cisto.com  Wed Sep 25 11:12:44 2002
From: nb at cisto.com (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:12:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change real_name for multiple domains?
In-Reply-To: <B9B69D13.459C0%sb.list@sb.org> (message from Stonewall Ballard
	on Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:52:03 -0400)
References: <B9B69D13.459C0%sb.list@sb.org>
Message-ID: <200209250912.g8P9Cio32429@quill.local>

> I saw a comment here:
> <http://www.zope.org/Members/bwarsaw/MailmanDesignNotes/VirtualHosting> that
> sounded like there were some practical ways to have lists with the same name
> in multiple domains. The suggestions all required editing the Mailman
> source.

Having multiple Mailman installations on the same machine works very
well, both with 2.0.x and with 2.1bx, and is a solution to what you
request which does not require editing Mailman source code.

Greetings, Norbert.

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From nb at cisto.com  Wed Sep 25 11:09:31 2002
From: nb at cisto.com (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:09:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail List Encryption
In-Reply-To: 
	<9C2F3AD0B86DC94B987EC4FB97C7A32405EEADA3@XCH-SW-08.sw.nos.boeing.com>
	(mary.y.wang@boeing.com)
References: <9C2F3AD0B86DC94B987EC4FB97C7A32405EEADA3@XCH-SW-08.sw.nos.boeing.com>
Message-ID: <200209250909.g8P99VJ32421@quill.local>

> I do I setup Mailman so that all emails being sent out are encrypted?
> Or do I need to specify this in the Sendmail?

This is not trivial at all; I think the most tricky issue will
probably be the matter of key management (and this definately needs to
be done at "Mailman" level, not at the "sendmail" level; the technical
details will be a topic for mailman-developers, not mailman-users.

> Any clue?  Thanks for any inputs.

Start with analysing your security needs.  Then choose a trust model
(how will Mailman know what recipient's encryption keys it should
trust?)  Then we can start discussing how the system could be
implementated at the technical level.

Greetings, Norbert.

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Tel +41 1 972 20 59        Fax +41 1 972 20 69       http://norbert.ch
List hosting with GNU Mailman on your own domain name http://cisto.com



From michel at ziobudda.net  Wed Sep 25 12:28:34 2002
From: michel at ziobudda.net (Michel 'ZioBudda' Morelli)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:28:34 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OverflowError: mktime argument out of range
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209251227290.2985-100000@miclaptop>

Hi, I receive this error into the "error" log:

Sep 25 12:05:01 2002 qrunner(19598):   File
"/opt/mailman-2.0.11/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 896, in
write_TOC
Sep 25 12:05:01 2002 qrunner(19598):     self.sortarchives()
Sep 25 12:05:01 2002 qrunner(19598):   File
"/opt/mailman-2.0.11/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 834, in
sortarchives
Sep 25 12:05:01 2002 qrunner(19598):     self.archives.sort(sf)
Sep 25 12:05:01 2002 qrunner(19598):   File
"/opt/mailman-2.0.11/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 825, in sf
Sep 25 12:05:01 2002 qrunner(19598):     al=s.volNameToDate(a)
Sep 25 12:05:01 2002 qrunner(19598):   File
"/opt/mailman-2.0.11/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 820, in
volNameToDate
Sep 25 12:05:01 2002 qrunner(19598):     return
time.mktime((year,month,1,0,0,0,0,1,-1))
Sep 25 12:05:01 2002 qrunner(19598): OverflowError: mktime argument out of
range
Sep 25 12:05:01 2002 (19598) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: php-it

what is this ???

tnx in advance
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From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Wed Sep 25 12:39:07 2002
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:39:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to kill the evil that is sendmail
Message-ID: <NGBBLKFIDENNFHKFMGAIEEHHCFAA.badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk>

Yes you guessed it, sendmail is pissing me off!! What I would like to do, is
to get rid of all the email that sendmail is STILL strying to send. You know
when it tries to deliver mail for up to five days or whatever. I stopped
short of uninstalling it, and re-installing it in case it picks up where it
left off. I look in the mail queue, and I can't see any messages, but I look
in the logs, and it's trying addresses every hour or so. It's making me
wonder if, mailman is the culprit. Because I can't see what mailman is about
to do, I can only see the end results. It's not slowing down my machine, or
anything like that, it's just plain ANNOYING. Any ideas anyone?

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From greg at gregwestin.com  Wed Sep 25 13:15:38 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 07:15:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Real Names
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209251855270.10909-100000@kangaroo.ozidata.com>
Message-ID: <1EFC62BD-D078-11D6-8C04-003065C03184@gregwestin.com>

There is in 2.1b3.  You can specify it either when mass subscribing 
names, or later with the membership interface.

Greg

On Wednesday, September 25, 2002, at 04:56  AM, Ian Holder wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> Is there anyway to specify the real names of subscribed e-mail users?
>
> ie: When you access a list of subscribers it just shows "john at 
> doe.com",
> is there anyway to specify the subscribers real name next to the e-mail
> address?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
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From crebuck at attglobal.net  Wed Sep 25 15:04:44 2002
From: crebuck at attglobal.net (Chad Rebuck)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:04:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] change of domain name
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209250901470.12972-100000@mail.a2-16v.com>

I moved an existing list to a new domain.  Instead of just adding my old  
list name to the "Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to or cc
destination names for this list" field under privacy options is there a   
way I can forward the email addressed to the old list to the new list and
also autoreply to the the sender to use the new list name?  If you have an
existing procmail receipe that would be perfect.  I don't want posts to   
reach the list that are using the old list name - nor do I want to have to
reject all email to the old name.

Thanks.





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Sep 25 15:31:41 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 25 Sep 2002 09:31:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hi resource usage
In-Reply-To: <000001c2646e$745c4760$c764a8c0@void>
References: <000001c2646e$745c4760$c764a8c0@void>
Message-ID: <1032960702.5328.0.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

What are you using for your disk subsystem?  Is it IDE?  You might
consider upgrading to SCSI...

On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 04:35, Roelf wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> What I noticed is that I stopped archiving the biggest list that we
> have. It received 200-250 e-mail during 8 working hours. Now the system
> resources seem to be normal.
> 
> Surely the archiving should be able to handle this??
> 
> Roelf
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Odhiambo Washington [mailto:wash at wananchi.com] 
> Sent: dinsdag 24 september 2002 15:55
> To: Joseph Okech
> Cc: rosc at imc.nl; Roelf; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] hi resource usage
> 
> * Joseph Okech <jokech at ke.uu.net> [20020924 15:16]: wrote:
> > Im experiencing this problem too, I have about  12 lists and this
> works 
> > perfectly, but whe I add my other lists, Python takes up about 70% cpu
> usage, 
> > but this is a very critical box.
> > Im running 2.0.13 on FreeBSD 4.5
> 
> 
> First, IMHO, there is no comparison between 2.0.13 and 2.1b3 - the later
> runs as a
> daemon, the former doesn't, but one question beckons:
> 
> At what point do you TWO notice these CPU Usage stats?
> 
> 
> 
>         cheers
>        - wash 
> +----------------------------------+------------------------------------
> -----+
> Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com	. WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi,
> KE)  |
> http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/		. 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita
> St.,  |
> GSM: (+254) 722 743 223			. # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI
> |
> +---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
> -----+
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> 						 --from a /. post
> 
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Sep 25 15:37:03 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 25 Sep 2002 09:37:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail List Encryption
In-Reply-To: <200209250909.g8P99VJ32421@quill.local>
References: 
	<9C2F3AD0B86DC94B987EC4FB97C7A32405EEADA3@XCH-SW-08.sw.nos.boeing.com> 
	<200209250909.g8P99VJ32421@quill.local>
Message-ID: <1032961023.5332.5.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

I find it hard to believe that you would want an open mailing list
manager like Mailman *and* want to run encrypted email out of it...

Wouldn't you be happier with a semi-static mailing alias and then having
all your folks use PGP (or GPG) to encrypt their email?

On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 05:09, Norbert Bollow wrote:
> > I do I setup Mailman so that all emails being sent out are encrypted?
> > Or do I need to specify this in the Sendmail?
> 
> This is not trivial at all; I think the most tricky issue will
> probably be the matter of key management (and this definately needs to
> be done at "Mailman" level, not at the "sendmail" level; the technical
> details will be a topic for mailman-developers, not mailman-users.
> 
> > Any clue?  Thanks for any inputs.
> 
> Start with analysing your security needs.  Then choose a trust model
> (how will Mailman know what recipient's encryption keys it should
> trust?)  Then we can start discussing how the system could be
> implementated at the technical level.
> 
> Greetings, Norbert.
> 
> -- 
> Founder & Steering Committee member of http://gnu.org/projects/dotgnu/
> Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet (near Zurich, Switzerland)
> Tel +41 1 972 20 59        Fax +41 1 972 20 69       http://norbert.ch
> List hosting with GNU Mailman on your own domain name http://cisto.com
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Sep 25 15:41:25 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 25 Sep 2002 09:41:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OverflowError: mktime argument out of range
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209251227290.2985-100000@miclaptop>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209251227290.2985-100000@miclaptop>
Message-ID: <1032961285.5332.10.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Either your archive is corrupt, or one of the emails has a corrupt
header, or one of the emails has a header with bogus info in it that is
causing the Archiver to barf.

Take a look at the last message in your archives, then look at the next
message in your lists mbox and see if it is indeed corrupt. If not, then
simply move the old archives to a temp area and then re-create the
archives using the ~mailman/bin/arch command (look at the command for an
example of how to use it).

If that doesn't fix it, then the problem is most likely in the message
that is trying to be archived.  Remove or fix that message.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 06:28, Michel 'ZioBudda' Morelli wrote:
> Hi, I receive this error into the "error" log:
> 
> Sep 25 12:05:01 2002 qrunner(19598):   File
> "/opt/mailman-2.0.11/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 896, in
> write_TOC
> Sep 25 12:05:01 2002 qrunner(19598):     self.sortarchives()
> Sep 25 12:05:01 2002 qrunner(19598):   File
> "/opt/mailman-2.0.11/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 834, in
> sortarchives
> Sep 25 12:05:01 2002 qrunner(19598):     self.archives.sort(sf)
> Sep 25 12:05:01 2002 qrunner(19598):   File
> "/opt/mailman-2.0.11/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 825, in sf
> Sep 25 12:05:01 2002 qrunner(19598):     al=s.volNameToDate(a)
> Sep 25 12:05:01 2002 qrunner(19598):   File
> "/opt/mailman-2.0.11/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 820, in
> volNameToDate
> Sep 25 12:05:01 2002 qrunner(19598):     return
> time.mktime((year,month,1,0,0,0,0,1,-1))
> Sep 25 12:05:01 2002 qrunner(19598): OverflowError: mktime argument out of
> range
> Sep 25 12:05:01 2002 (19598) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: php-it
> 
> what is this ???
> 
> tnx in advance
> --
> Michel <ZioBudda> Morelli               michel at ziobudda.net
> 
> ICQ UIN: 58351764                       PR of Linux in Italy
> http://www.ziobudda.net                 http://www.phpdev.it
> 
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From michel at ziobudda.net  Wed Sep 25 15:49:44 2002
From: michel at ziobudda.net (Michel 'ZioBudda' Morelli)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:49:44 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OverflowError: mktime argument out of range
In-Reply-To: <1032961285.5332.10.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209251549180.1441-100000@miclaptop>

On 25 Sep 2002, Jon Carnes wrote:

>Either your archive is corrupt, or one of the emails has a corrupt
>header, or one of the emails has a header with bogus info in it that is
>causing the Archiver to barf.
>
>Take a look at the last message in your archives, then look at the next
>message in your lists mbox and see if it is indeed corrupt. If not, then
>simply move the old archives to a temp area and then re-create the
>archives using the ~mailman/bin/arch command (look at the command for an
>example of how to use it).
>
>If that doesn't fix it, then the problem is most likely in the message
>that is trying to be archived.  Remove or fix that message.
>
>Good Luck - Jon Carnes

TA DA'

Updating HTML for article 31049
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./bin/arch", line 129, in ?
    main()
  File "./bin/arch", line 119, in main
    archiver.close()
  File "/opt/mailman-2.0.11/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 306, in
close
    self.write_TOC()
  File "/opt/mailman-2.0.11/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 896, in
write_TOC
    self.sortarchives()
  File "/opt/mailman-2.0.11/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 834, in
sortarchives
    self.archives.sort(sf)
  File "/opt/mailman-2.0.11/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 825, in
sf
    al=s.volNameToDate(a)
  File "/opt/mailman-2.0.11/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 820, in
volNameToDate
    return time.mktime((year,month,1,0,0,0,0,1,-1))
OverflowError: mktime argument out of range

where can I find 31049 article ???

tnx

--
"Basta con i piaceri della carne! Facciamo godere anche le verdure!".
--
Michel <ZioBudda> Morelli               michel at ziobudda.net

ICQ UIN: 58351764                       PR of Linux in Italy
http://www.ziobudda.net                 http://www.phpdev.it




From beteachable at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 25 16:01:11 2002
From: beteachable at hotmail.com (Know How)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:01:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qfiles problem
Message-ID: <F260xg3yF0ZnxV9j1TW000079a4@hotmail.com>

Hi,
  I have installed mailman 2.0.13 and HP-UX 11.00. The messages in the 
qfiles directory does not get processed. I have entry in crontab for mailman 
account to run qrunner every 1 min. Here is the entry:

* * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /opt/mailman-2.0.13/cron/qrunner

Python version 2

But when i run from the command line from root it sends out the messages in 
qfiles, but if i run it from command line as mailman it does not process any 
of the messages.

Anybody know what the problem is???

Thanks in advance.

_________________________________________________________________
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http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Sep 25 16:44:49 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 25 Sep 2002 10:44:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qfiles problem
In-Reply-To: <F260xg3yF0ZnxV9j1TW000079a4@hotmail.com>
References: <F260xg3yF0ZnxV9j1TW000079a4@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <1032965090.5328.16.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

It is a rights issue.  Have you run the check_perms program to look for
any rights issues?

On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 10:01, Know How wrote:
> Hi,
>   I have installed mailman 2.0.13 and HP-UX 11.00. The messages in the 
> qfiles directory does not get processed. I have entry in crontab for mailman 
> account to run qrunner every 1 min. Here is the entry:
> 
> * * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /opt/mailman-2.0.13/cron/qrunner
> 
> Python version 2
> 
> But when i run from the command line from root it sends out the messages in 
> qfiles, but if i run it from command line as mailman it does not process any 
> of the messages.
> 
> Anybody know what the problem is???
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: 
> http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
> 
> 
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From beteachable at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 25 16:48:59 2002
From: beteachable at hotmail.com (Know How)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:48:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qfiles problem
Message-ID: <F215nnfvaQ7LfVdLf2f00001784@hotmail.com>

Jon,
  Thank you for the reply. I ran check_perms and it came with "No problems 
found". I ran check_perm as root and mailman user and both the time i got 
"No problems found".

Any other suggestions??

Thanks in advance.


>From: Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com>
>To: Know How <beteachable at hotmail.com>
>CC: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Qfiles problem
>Date: 25 Sep 2002 10:44:49 -0400
>
>It is a rights issue.  Have you run the check_perms program to look for
>any rights issues?
>
>On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 10:01, Know How wrote:
> > Hi,
> >   I have installed mailman 2.0.13 and HP-UX 11.00. The messages in the
> > qfiles directory does not get processed. I have entry in crontab for 
>mailman
> > account to run qrunner every 1 min. Here is the entry:
> >
> > * * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /opt/mailman-2.0.13/cron/qrunner
> >
> > Python version 2
> >
> > But when i run from the command line from root it sends out the messages 
>in
> > qfiles, but if i run it from command line as mailman it does not process 
>any
> > of the messages.
> >
> > Anybody know what the problem is???
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:
> > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
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>http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
>
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From sb.list at sb.org  Wed Sep 25 16:54:18 2002
From: sb.list at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:54:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approval via email response broken in 2.1b3?
Message-ID: <B9B7465A.45AFA%sb.list@sb.org>

I've been trying out the moderation system in 2.1b3, and have found that
using the reply mechanism has no effect - the message stays in the approval
queue.

The reply goes to the list-request address. The Subject is "confirm <a long
string>". I put the line "Approved: listpassword" on the first line of the
reply.

Is this known to work or is broken?

Thanks.

 - Stoney

-- 
Stonewall Ballard 
stoney at sb.org           http://www.sb.org/stoney/





From sb.list at sb.org  Wed Sep 25 16:54:26 2002
From: sb.list at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:54:26 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Routine List Moderation?
Message-ID: <B9B74662.45AFB%sb.list@sb.org>

In 2.1b3, the help text for respond_to_post_requests in General Options
says: "Approval notices are sent when mail triggers certain of the limits
except routine list moderation and spam filters, for which notices are not
sent."

For some lists, I want them to be routinely moderated and avoid the approval
notices, but I can't find any setting for that, just the ability to moderate
individual members.

Is there really a way to set up a list so that it's always moderated, and
quietly?

Thanks.

 - Stoney

-- 
Stonewall Ballard 
stoney at sb.org           http://www.sb.org/stoney/





From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Wed Sep 25 17:42:31 2002
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:42:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: Cron <mailman@raw-talent> /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/senddigests
Message-ID: <002501c264aa$2970c730$1c01a8c0@voda>

What the hell is this!?!? all of a sudden I got this in my email...

-----Original Message-----
From: Cron Daemon [mailto:root at raw-talent.d2g.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:37 PM
To: mailman at raw-talent.d2g.com
Subject: Cron <mailman at raw-talent> /usr/bin/python -S
/var/mailman/cron/senddigests


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 65, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 42, in main
    send_list_digest(mlist)
  File "/var/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 46, in send_list_digest
    mlist.Lock()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1345, in Lock
    self.Load()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 886, in Load
    raise Errors.MMUnknownListError
Mailman.Errors.MMUnknownListError






From alex at phred.org  Wed Sep 25 17:47:34 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:47:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: Cron <mailman@raw-talent> /usr/bin/python
 -S /var/mailman/cron/senddigests
In-Reply-To: <002501c264aa$2970c730$1c01a8c0@voda>
Message-ID: <20020925083246.Q1314-100000@phred.org>

It sounds like the config.db for one of your lists was corrupted.

Did you have an unexpected power failure recently?  I did on Sunday
and lost the config.db for two of my high traffic lists.  About
half of the file was written over with null bytes.

I wrote a tool (Win32, although it should be easy to port to Unix) to
extract the addresses from config.db if you are interested.  Mailman
stores each address in there 3 or 4 times, so even with half of the
file missing I was able to recover everything.  I sent email to all of
the addresses telling people to resubscribe and started the lists over
from scratch.

I put the tool online at http://www.phred.org/~alex/dumpconfig

Here is sample usage:
> dumpconfig config.db.test
config file is 8028 bytes
user options {
    alex at phred.org=8
}
members {
	alex at phred.org=0
}
passwords {
	alex at phred.org=xxxxxx
}
digest members {
}

> dumpconfig config.db.test | perl membershiplist.pl
alex at phred.org

This isn't an ideal solution, but it worked for me when I didn't
have a recent enough backup.

alex

On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Angel Gabriel wrote:

> What the hell is this!?!? all of a sudden I got this in my email...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cron Daemon [mailto:root at raw-talent.d2g.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:37 PM
> To: mailman at raw-talent.d2g.com
> Subject: Cron <mailman at raw-talent> /usr/bin/python -S
> /var/mailman/cron/senddigests
>
>
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/var/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 65, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/var/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 42, in main
>     send_list_digest(mlist)
>   File "/var/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 46, in send_list_digest
>     mlist.Lock()
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1345, in Lock
>     self.Load()
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 886, in Load
>     raise Errors.MMUnknownListError
> Mailman.Errors.MMUnknownListError
>
>
>
>
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From mailman-users at spambox.dk  Wed Sep 25 18:08:37 2002
From: mailman-users at spambox.dk (Henrik Larsson)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:08:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approval via email response broken in
  2.1b3?
In-Reply-To: <B9B7465A.45AFA%sb.list@sb.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20020925180749.00b9eab8@mail.larsson.it>

At 10:54 25-09-2002 -0400, you wrote:
>I've been trying out the moderation system in 2.1b3, and have found that
>using the reply mechanism has no effect - the message stays in the approval
>queue.
>
>The reply goes to the list-request address. The Subject is "confirm <a long
>string>". I put the line "Approved: listpassword" on the first line of the
>reply.
>
>Is this known to work or is broken?

Well i can't get the web approval to work, so maybe it is a generic 
approval problem?

Best regards Henrik




From mailman at tux.org  Wed Sep 25 18:33:43 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:33:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.0.13 pipermail problem
In-Reply-To: <200209231459.g8NExQT16095@proxy.sip.utc.sk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209251214120.14397-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Palo Segec wrote:

> I have problem with pipermail archive of the mailman 2.0.13
> distribution, I'd done installation as was at INSTALL file, but I
> can't access to the pipermail archive. Answer from web server is
>
> The requested URL /pipermail/list/ was not found on this server. NOT
> FOUND.

First, make sure you did -all- of the following:

    - Configure your web server to point to the Pipermail public
      mailing list archives:

      For example, in Apache:

         Alias /pipermail/ $varprefix/archives/public/

      where $varprefix is usually $prefix unless you've used the
      --with-var-prefix option to configure.

      Consult your web server's documentation for details.  Also be
      sure to configure your web server to follow symbolic links in
      this directory, otherwise public Pipermail archives won't be
      accessible.  For Apache users, consult the FollowSymLinks
      option.

      Now restart your web server.

I realize you said you followed the INSTALL file (where the above
text comes from), but it won't hurt to double check.  In particular,
make sure your web server is configured to follow symbolic links,
and make sure you restart your web server (to get it to recognize
your changes).  Also, make sure you are using whatever $varprefix
equates to (e.g., "/home/mailman" for a default install), not
literally "$varprefix" or "$prefix".

If the problem persists, you may find it helpful to Alias "/pipermail/"
to something else that you know exists, such as a location that is
already reachable via some other web server Alias on your machine.
If you cannot get "/pipermail/" to point at something that is otherwise
accessible, the issue is somehow related to your webserver; if you can
get it to point at something else but not your Mailman archives, you
missed -something- in the Mailman installation.

HTH
- Andrew

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From sb.list at sb.org  Wed Sep 25 18:45:45 2002
From: sb.list at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:45:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approval via email response broken in 2.1b3?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020925180749.00b9eab8@mail.larsson.it>
Message-ID: <B9B76079.45B44%sb.list@sb.org>

On 9/25/02 12:08 PM, "Henrik Larsson" <mailman-users at spambox.dk> wrote:

> At 10:54 25-09-2002 -0400, you wrote:
>> I've been trying out the moderation system in 2.1b3, and have found that
>> using the reply mechanism has no effect - the message stays in the approval
>> queue.
>> 
>> The reply goes to the list-request address. The Subject is "confirm <a long
>> string>". I put the line "Approved: listpassword" on the first line of the
>> reply.
>> 
>> Is this known to work or is broken?
> 
> Well i can't get the web approval to work, so maybe it is a generic
> approval problem?

Web approval works fine for me in 2.1b3.

 - Stoney




From mailman at tux.org  Wed Sep 25 19:00:53 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:00:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to change to archiving setting
 after list has already been created?
In-Reply-To: <OF9E9CE1B3.5C2D4C77-ON88256C3D.00680F2C@mck.us.ray.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209251250440.14397-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, David A Gilbert wrote:

> I need to change a bunch of existing lists that are currently doing 2
> below (archive to both mbox and builtin mailman html archiving) to 1
> below (archive to mbox to use an external archiving mechanism only).
> # ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX
>       #-1 - do not do any archiving
>       # 0 - do not archive to mbox, use builtin mailman html archiving only
>       # 1 - archive to mbox to use an external archiving mechanism only
>       # 2 - archive to both mbox and builtin mailman html archiving -
>       #     use this to make both external archiving mechanism work and
>       #     mailman's builtin html archiving.  the flat mail file can be
>       #     useful for searching, external archivers, etc.
>       #
> ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2

(assuming v2.0.x; this may also apply to v2.1)

Note that "ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX" is a global setting (and that is why there
is nothing in the config dumps related to it).  You can change it by
overriding it in your mm_cfg.py file, but it will affect all of your
lists for which archiving is turned on.

- Andrew

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From raquel at thericehouse.net  Wed Sep 25 19:02:11 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:02:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approval via email response broken in 2.1b3?
In-Reply-To: <B9B76079.45B44%sb.list@sb.org>
References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020925180749.00b9eab8@mail.larsson.it>
	<B9B76079.45B44%sb.list@sb.org>
Message-ID: <20020925100212.2cc890f9.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:45:45 -0400
Stonewall Ballard <sb.list at sb.org> wrote:

> On 9/25/02 12:08 PM, "Henrik Larsson" <mailman-users at spambox.dk>
> wrote:
> 
> > At 10:54 25-09-2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >> I've been trying out the moderation system in 2.1b3, and have
> >found that> using the reply mechanism has no effect - the message
> >stays in the approval> queue.
> >> 
> >> The reply goes to the list-request address. The Subject is
> >"confirm <a long> string>". I put the line "Approved:
> >listpassword" on the first line of the> reply.
> >> 
> >> Is this known to work or is broken?
> > 
> > Well i can't get the web approval to work, so maybe it is a
> > generic approval problem?
> 
> Web approval works fine for me in 2.1b3.
> 
>  - Stoney

Web approval works for me in 2.1b3, but I've never tried email
approval.

--
Raquel
============================================================
You cannot be lonely if you like the person you're alone with. 
  --Wayne Dyer




From mailman at tux.org  Wed Sep 25 19:07:52 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:07:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newsletter question
In-Reply-To: <000801c26379$0b1344c0$fe5291c6@proaxis.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209251303140.14397-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, J. Alec West wrote:

> I'm considering switching to a webhost that allows Mailman use and had
> one simple question.  Can Mailman be set up to be used as a newsletter
> ... that is sent to a number of subscribers in such a way that
> subscribers cannot "reply" to the subscriber-list?

Setting up "one-way" lists must be the most popular question on this
list ...

To make a list announce-only, go to "Privacy Options" and set 'Restrict
posting privilege to list members?' to "No" -AND- add only yourself to the
next field, 'Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list ...'

(Note that the subscribers can always -attempt- to reply to the list;
there is nothing you can do to stop that; even if you set the Reply-To
header, folks can construct a new message any way they want.  But,
their attempts to post will be thwarted.)

See also:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp

That FAQ is a great resource; see:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=index

- Andrew

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From mailman at tux.org  Wed Sep 25 19:09:56 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:09:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring mailman for a simpler purpose
In-Reply-To: <012701c263cd$30c72c00$c5e20241@nash1.tn.home.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209251309060.14397-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, drumguru wrote:

> Hi! My new hosting service, clevelandhosting.com, has recommended
> Mailman. I have need of a simple "one way" newletter email program to
> broadcast announcements to my customer email list, with the only
> recipient options being to subscribe or unsubscribe: no discussion
> features, etc. Is mailman configurable to do this or should I look
> elsewhere?

To make a list announce-only, go to "Privacy Options" and set 'Restrict
posting privilege to list members?' to "No" -AND- add only yourself to the
next field, 'Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list ...'

See also:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp
  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=index

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From mailman at tux.org  Wed Sep 25 19:29:21 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:29:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to kill the evil that is sendmail
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLKFIDENNFHKFMGAIEEHHCFAA.badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209251311300.14397-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Angel Gabriel wrote:

> What I would like to do, is to get rid of all the email that sendmail
> is STILL strying to send. You know when it tries to deliver mail for
> up to five days or whatever. I stopped short of uninstalling it, and
> re-installing it in case it picks up where it left off. I look in the
> mail queue, and I can't see any messages, but I look in the logs, and
> it's trying addresses every hour or so.  It's making me wonder if,
> mailman is the culprit. Because I can't see what mailman is about to
> do, I can only see the end results. It's not slowing down my machine,
> or anything like that, it's just plain ANNOYING. Any ideas anyone?

Don't forget that with Mailman and sendmail (and, likely, any MTA)
you are talking about -two- queues: Mailman's and the MTA's.  I have
never heard of sendmail attempting to send out messages that are not
in -its- queue.  Use 'mailq' to list sendmail's queue.  Or, the
direct approach is to look in /var/spool/mqueue (or whatever you
may have configured as sendmail's queue directory).  Also, no need
to reinstall sendmail: just clean out its queue (there are nice
ways to do so, and brutal ways, too; go ahead and use the brutal
way (rm -f /var/spool/mqueue/*), since I think it'll help provide
some stress relief, too :-)

(And besides, if you do reinstall sendmail without cleaning out its
queue, yes: it will just pick up from where it left off.)

If both Mailman's and sendmail's queues are empty and the machine
-still- retries sending old messages, you have a gremlin in the
box, and you need to throw it into a volcano.  (That should also
provide a certain amount of stress relief.)  Since real gremlins
are quite rare, if in fact both Mailman's and sendmail's queues are
empty and the machine is sending out messages every hour or so,
something -else- is sending -in- new messages every hour or so.

- Andrew

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From mailman at tux.org  Wed Sep 25 19:40:03 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:40:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail List Encryption
In-Reply-To: <1032961023.5332.5.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209251329440.14397-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

I am inclined to agree with Jon (that what you really want is for your
list members to do the encrypting), for an additional reason: if its
important that the messages be encrypted on their way -out-, its important
that they be encrypted on their way -in-.  Don't ask Mailman to do
something that is already done (and more appropriately done) by the e-mail
client.  Since you would already require that list members have or obtain
the ability to decrypt postings, it should be the tiniest of steps to
also require that they have or obtain the ability to encrypt them.

- Andrew

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On 25 Sep 2002, Jon Carnes wrote:

> I find it hard to believe that you would want an open mailing list
> manager like Mailman *and* want to run encrypted email out of it...
>
> Wouldn't you be happier with a semi-static mailing alias and then having
> all your folks use PGP (or GPG) to encrypt their email?
>
> On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 05:09, Norbert Bollow wrote:
> > > I do I setup Mailman so that all emails being sent out are encrypted?
> > > Or do I need to specify this in the Sendmail?




From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Wed Sep 25 20:22:45 2002
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:22:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to kill the evil that is sendmail
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209251311300.14397-100000@gwyn.tux.org>
Message-ID: <002a01c264c0$8c40a360$1401a8c0@jmc.netcafe>

Okay, I'm feeling the volcano part, and also the brutal killing of sendmails
queue. Lucky for the sendmail queue, it's empty, but I will cut and paste
that solution, and file it away in case of emergencies! How do I check
mailmans queue? I checked running proccesses to see if there where any
python related threads running over 0.1 percent, and there was none.
(begining to like the volcano idea). The thing is, NO ONE else uses the box
to send mail... they use a DIFFRENT box, and I've configured sendmail to
ONLY accept connections on the same subnet as me, so I doubt that anyone is
hacking my box from outside, and using it as an open relay. **thinks a bit,
wonders if this is REALLY secure, any comments?** The ONLY job of this box
is mailman. **Now I'm real confused**

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman at tux.org [mailto:mailman at tux.org]
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 6:29 PM
To: Angel Gabriel
Cc: Mailman
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to kill the evil that is sendmail


On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Angel Gabriel wrote:

> What I would like to do, is to get rid of all the email that sendmail
> is STILL strying to send. You know when it tries to deliver mail for
> up to five days or whatever. I stopped short of uninstalling it, and
> re-installing it in case it picks up where it left off. I look in the
> mail queue, and I can't see any messages, but I look in the logs, and
> it's trying addresses every hour or so.  It's making me wonder if,
> mailman is the culprit. Because I can't see what mailman is about to
> do, I can only see the end results. It's not slowing down my machine,
> or anything like that, it's just plain ANNOYING. Any ideas anyone?

Don't forget that with Mailman and sendmail (and, likely, any MTA)
you are talking about -two- queues: Mailman's and the MTA's.  I have
never heard of sendmail attempting to send out messages that are not
in -its- queue.  Use 'mailq' to list sendmail's queue.  Or, the
direct approach is to look in /var/spool/mqueue (or whatever you
may have configured as sendmail's queue directory).  Also, no need
to reinstall sendmail: just clean out its queue (there are nice
ways to do so, and brutal ways, too; go ahead and use the brutal
way (rm -f /var/spool/mqueue/*), since I think it'll help provide
some stress relief, too :-)

(And besides, if you do reinstall sendmail without cleaning out its
queue, yes: it will just pick up from where it left off.)

If both Mailman's and sendmail's queues are empty and the machine
-still- retries sending old messages, you have a gremlin in the
box, and you need to throw it into a volcano.  (That should also
provide a certain amount of stress relief.)  Since real gremlins
are quite rare, if in fact both Mailman's and sendmail's queues are
empty and the machine is sending out messages every hour or so,
something -else- is sending -in- new messages every hour or so.

- Andrew

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Sep 25 20:17:26 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:17:26 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to kill the evil that is sendmail
References: <002a01c264c0$8c40a360$1401a8c0@jmc.netcafe>
Message-ID: <3D91FDB6.8D304E9@pcraft.com>

Angel Gabriel wrote:

> How do I check mailmans queue?

    Look in ~mailman/qfiles/

    Sendmail is only evil when not properly configured.

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From beteachable at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 25 20:27:52 2002
From: beteachable at hotmail.com (Know How)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:27:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qfiles problem
Message-ID: <F193k3EOZEubOCnkdDX000081da@hotmail.com>

Jon,
  Thanks for the reply again. When i run qrunner from mailman i see 
following messages shown below are logged into mailman log files (three logs 
files, those are smtp-failure, post and smtp).

For every qrunner i run from mailman account I see ignore in smtp-failure 
log file, i see failures in post log file and getaddrinfo failed in smtp log 
file. As i said in the earlier mail that qrunner does not process any 
messages in qfiles when run as mailman user, and it runs fine from root.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
in logs/smtp-failure

$ tail smtp-failure
Sep 25 14:07:04 2002 (24204) -1 padhp at hotmail.com (ignore)
Sep 25 14:07:07 2002 (24204) -1 beteachable at hotmail.com (ignore)

in logs/post file

$ cat  post
Sept 25 14:07:04 2002 (24204) post to test from 
test-request at mailman.mydomain.com, size=674, 1 failures
Sep 25 14:07:07 2002 (24204) post to test from 
test-admin at mailman.mydomain.com, size=3138, 7 failures
Sep 25 14:07:08 2002 (24204) post to test from 
mailman-owner at mailman.mydomain.com, size=1346, 1 failures
Sep 25 14:07:08 2002 (24204) post to ntistest from 
test-request at mailman.mydomain.com, size=1231, 1 failures


in logs/smtp file

$ cat  smtp
Sep 25 14:07:04 2002 (24204) All recipients refused: (7, 'getaddrinfo 
failed')
Sep 25 14:07:04 2002 (24204) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.131 seconds
Sep 25 14:07:07 2002 (24204) All recipients refused: (7, 'getaddrinfo 
failed')
Sep 25 14:07:07 2002 (24204) All recipients refused: (7, 'getaddrinfo 
failed')
Sep 25 14:07:07 2002 (24204) smtp for 7 recips, completed in 0.133 seconds 
Sep 25 14:07:08 2002 (24204) All recipients refused: (7, 'getaddrinfo 
failed')
Sep 25 14:07:08 2002 (24204) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.103 seconds
Sep 25 14:07:08 2002 (24204) All recipients refused: (7, 'getaddrinfo 
failed')
Sep 25 14:07:08 2002 (24204) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.093 seconds
------------------------------------------------------------------


Does anybody know what the problem??

Thanks again



>From: Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com>
>To: Know How <beteachable at hotmail.com>
>CC: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Qfiles problem
>Date: 25 Sep 2002 10:44:49 -0400
>
>It is a rights issue.  Have you run the check_perms program to look for
>any rights issues?
>
>On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 10:01, Know How wrote:
> > Hi,
> >   I have installed mailman 2.0.13 and HP-UX 11.00. The messages in the
> > qfiles directory does not get processed. I have entry in crontab for 
>mailman
> > account to run qrunner every 1 min. Here is the entry:
> >
> > * * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /opt/mailman-2.0.13/cron/qrunner
> >
> > Python version 2
> >
> > But when i run from the command line from root it sends out the messages 
>in
> > qfiles, but if i run it from command line as mailman it does not process 
>any
> > of the messages.
> >
> > Anybody know what the problem is???
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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> >
> >
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> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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> > Searchable Archives: 
>http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




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From dave at s3x.com  Wed Sep 25 20:37:50 2002
From: dave at s3x.com (Dave Magill)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:37:50 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Perms?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0209251914130.3348-100000@willow.s3x.com>

Hi,

I've run check+perms and it has no complaints, but mailman crashes on
every request. I have no idea about python, so can someone point me in the
right direction? What is going on here?

Regards,
	Dave.



Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 (25006) Delivery exception:
Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 (25006) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/apache/sites/mailman//Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line
82, in do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/apache/sites/mailman//Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line
77, in process
    mlist.Lock()
  File "/home/apache/sites/mailman//Mailman/MailList.py", line 1339, in
Lock
    self.__lock.lock(timeout)
  File "/home/apache/sites/mailman//Mailman/LockFile.py", line 266, in
lock
    raise AlreadyLockedError
AlreadyLockedError

Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006): Traceback (most recent call last):
Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):   File
"/home/apache/sites/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):      kids = main(lock)
Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):   File
"/home/apache/sites/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 264, in main
Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):      mlist.Save()
Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):   File
"/home/apache/sites/mailman//Mailman/MailList.py", line 861, in Save
Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):      self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):   File
"/home/apache/sites/mailman//Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 256, in
CheckHTMLArchiveDir
Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):      makelink(privdir, pubdir)
Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):   File
"/home/apache/sites/mailman//Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 42, in
makelink
Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):      os.symlink(old, new)
Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006): OSError :  [Errno 2] No such file or
directory






From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Sep 25 20:43:41 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:43:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail List Encryption 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jon Carnes <jonc@nc.rr.com> 
   of "25 Sep 2002 09:37:03 EDT." <1032961023.5332.5.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> 
References: <9C2F3AD0B86DC94B987EC4FB97C7A32405EEADA3@XCH-SW-08.sw.nos.boeing.com> <200209250909.g8P99VJ32421@quill.local>  <1032961023.5332.5.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> 
Message-ID: <10753.1032979421@kanga.nu>

On 25 Sep 2002 09:37:03 -0400 
Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com> wrote:

> I find it hard to believe that you would want an open mailing list
> manager like Mailman *and* want to run encrypted email out of it...

There are a number of uses for crypted lists ranging from cypherpunks to
discussion of sensitive material.  Architecturally it can be
accomplished at either the MLM or MTA level without enourmous
difficulty.  The problems arise when you start confronting the PKI
issues, the human usability issues, and the server-side performance
issues.  There are no "right" answers to any of them.

> Wouldn't you be happier with a semi-static mailing alias and then
> having all your folks use PGP (or GPG) to encrypt their email?

A common definition of a crypted list:

  Mail sent to the list is crpyted with the list's public key.

  The list uncrypts the mail and broadcasts it to each member.

  Prior to transmission each message is crypted with that individual
  member's public key.

ObNote: This is the easiest model to do at the MTA level.

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From sb.list at sb.org  Wed Sep 25 20:58:12 2002
From: sb.list at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:58:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approval via email response broken in 2.1b3?
In-Reply-To: <B9B7465A.45AFA%sb.list@sb.org>
Message-ID: <B9B77F84.45BC5%sb.list@sb.org>

On 9/25/02 10:54 AM, "Stonewall Ballard" <sb.list at sb.org> wrote:

> I've been trying out the moderation system in 2.1b3, and have found that
> using the reply mechanism has no effect - the message stays in the approval
> queue.
> 
> The reply goes to the list-request address. The Subject is "confirm <a long
> string>". I put the line "Approved: listpassword" on the first line of the
> reply.
> 
> Is this known to work or is broken?

To answer my own question, this turns out to be a bug, since it throws an
exception in MailList.py when it gets an email confirm for a held message,
at least when the approved: line is in the body of the message.

 - Stoney




From kalin at el.net  Wed Sep 25 21:19:57 2002
From: kalin at el.net (Kalin Mintchev)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:19:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email list into mailman list
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209251505560.14782-100000@grande.el.net>

hi all,

i had to upgrade to mailman from another list server (listar). listar uses
a text file for each list called dist that has all the email addresses
subscribed to that list to send the messages out to them. it looks like
this:

foo at bar.net
foo at moo.com
etc...
......

how can i port that list to a newly created list in mailman? i was looking
for a similar text file where mailman keeps the subscribers in the
directory of each list but there is nothing like it...
any help will be appreciated...

thanks...




From sb.list at sb.org  Wed Sep 25 21:27:48 2002
From: sb.list at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:27:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email list into mailman list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209251505560.14782-100000@grande.el.net>
Message-ID: <B9B78674.45BE5%sb.list@sb.org>

How about using the "Mass Subscription" section under "Membership
Management" on the admin page? At least in 2.1b3, you can supply a file with
just addresses.

 - Stoney

On 9/25/02 3:19 PM, "Kalin Mintchev" <kalin at el.net> wrote:

> 
> hi all,
> 
> i had to upgrade to mailman from another list server (listar). listar uses
> a text file for each list called dist that has all the email addresses
> subscribed to that list to send the messages out to them. it looks like
> this:
> 
> foo at bar.net
> foo at moo.com
> etc...
> ......
> 
> how can i port that list to a newly created list in mailman? i was looking
> for a similar text file where mailman keeps the subscribers in the
> directory of each list but there is nothing like it...
> any help will be appreciated...
> 
> thanks...
>




From greg at gregwestin.com  Wed Sep 25 22:03:28 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:03:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache redirects
Message-ID: <13856.155.41.10.1.1032984208.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>

Is there a way to use Apache Rewrite directives to direct requests for
lists.domain1.com to lists.domain1.com/mailman/listinfo?

I have a couple of virtual domains, and want all of their list traffic to
run off the same Mailman installation.  If someone requests
www.domain1.com, they should obviously get an appropriate home page.  But
if they ask for lists.domain1.com, probably what they really want is
lists.domain1.com/mailman/listinfo.  And if they ask for
lists.domain2.com, they certainly don't want the home page for domain1,
they want lists.domain2.com/mailman/listinfo.

I set up very basic Rewrite directives to do things like rewrite all
requests for undefined subdomains to www.domain.com, but I'm not confident
that I'd know how to do this.

Surely, someone else has had this problem?  What do you do for users that
request lists.yourdomain.com/ without appending anything like
/mailman/listinfo?  Just let them get an error, or the homepage?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Greg

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From kalin at el.net  Wed Sep 25 22:00:59 2002
From: kalin at el.net (Kalin Mintchev)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:00:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email list into mailman list
In-Reply-To: <B9B78674.45BE5%sb.list@sb.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209251559070.14782-100000@grande.el.net>

On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Stonewall Ballard wrote:

> How about using the "Mass Subscription" section under "Membership
> Management" on the admin page? At least in 2.1b3, you can supply a file with
> just addresses.
>
>  - Stoney

cool. that sounds like it...  any limitations on how many you can do at
once?...  some of those old lists have 4000 - 5000 subscribers...


>
> On 9/25/02 3:19 PM, "Kalin Mintchev" <kalin at el.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > hi all,
> >
> > i had to upgrade to mailman from another list server (listar). listar uses
> > a text file for each list called dist that has all the email addresses
> > subscribed to that list to send the messages out to them. it looks like
> > this:
> >
> > foo at bar.net
> > foo at moo.com
> > etc...
> > ......
> >
> > how can i port that list to a newly created list in mailman? i was looking
> > for a similar text file where mailman keeps the subscribers in the
> > directory of each list but there is nothing like it...
> > any help will be appreciated...
> >
> > thanks...
> >
>
>




From mailman-users at spambox.dk  Wed Sep 25 21:23:24 2002
From: mailman-users at spambox.dk (Henrik Larsson)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:23:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approval via email response broken in
  2.1b3?
In-Reply-To: <20020925100212.2cc890f9.raquel@thericehouse.net>
References: <B9B76079.45B44%sb.list@sb.org>
 <5.1.1.6.2.20020925180749.00b9eab8@mail.larsson.it>
 <B9B76079.45B44%sb.list@sb.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20020925212101.00b9ed10@wheresmymailserver.com>

>Web approval works for me in 2.1b3, but I've never tried email
>approval.

When i press Approve (or Reject), and press "Submit All Data" it just loops 
back to the same page without doing anything.

Then i can try to "Submit All Data" again, but still without success.

Any idea on what is going on?

Best regards Henrik




From mailman at tux.org  Wed Sep 25 22:53:47 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:53:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email list into mailman list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209251559070.14782-100000@grande.el.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209251645040.22134-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Kalin Mintchev wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Stonewall Ballard wrote:
>
> > How about using the "Mass Subscription" section under "Membership
> > Management" on the admin page? At least in 2.1b3, you can supply
> > a file with just addresses.
> >
> >  - Stoney
>
> cool. that sounds like it...  any limitations on how many you can
> do at once?...  some of those old lists have 4000 - 5000
> subscribers...

Using the web interface is only one of your options.  The 2.0.x
versions (and maybe the 2.1 beta versions as well) come with a
utility called (appropriately enough) "add_members".  Its a
command-line interface for doing -exactly- what you wish to do.
Look in bin in your Mailman installation directory.

(And while you are there, spend some time poking around.  Lots of
good stuff in there.)

- Andrew

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From kalin at el.net  Wed Sep 25 23:19:27 2002
From: kalin at el.net (Kalin Mintchev)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:19:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email list into mailman list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209251645040.22134-100000@gwyn.tux.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209251718580.14782-100000@grande.el.net>

On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 mailman at tux.org wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Kalin Mintchev wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Stonewall Ballard wrote:
> >
> > > How about using the "Mass Subscription" section under "Membership
> > > Management" on the admin page? At least in 2.1b3, you can supply
> > > a file with just addresses.
> > >
> > >  - Stoney
> >
> > cool. that sounds like it...  any limitations on how many you can
> > do at once?...  some of those old lists have 4000 - 5000
> > subscribers...
>
> Using the web interface is only one of your options.  The 2.0.x
> versions (and maybe the 2.1 beta versions as well) come with a
> utility called (appropriately enough) "add_members".  Its a
> command-line interface for doing -exactly- what you wish to do.
> Look in bin in your Mailman installation directory.
>
> (And while you are there, spend some time poking around.  Lots of
> good stuff in there.)

understood...  thanks..

>
> - Andrew
>
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From nb at cisto.com  Wed Sep 25 01:11:43 2002
From: nb at cisto.com (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 01:11:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newsletter question
In-Reply-To: <000801c26379$0b1344c0$fe5291c6@proaxis.com>
	(Alec@MysteryVault.net)
References: <000801c26379$0b1344c0$fe5291c6@proaxis.com>
Message-ID: <200209242311.g8ONBhZ29630@quill.local>

> I'm considering switching to a webhost that allows Mailman use and had =
> one simple question.  Can Mailman be set up to be used as a newsletter =
> ... that is sent to a number of subscribers in such a way that =
> subscribers cannot "reply" to the subscriber-list?

Yes... this is possible with Mailman... however Mailman's real
strengths are in the area of discussion lists.

Greetings, Norbert.

-- 
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Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet (near Zurich, Switzerland)
Tel +41 1 972 20 59        Fax +41 1 972 20 69       http://norbert.ch
List hosting with GNU Mailman on your own domain name http://cisto.com



From nb at cisto.com  Wed Sep 25 01:29:19 2002
From: nb at cisto.com (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 01:29:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question re: interfacing list with MySQL and message throttling
In-Reply-To: <20020924213543.19663.qmail@web10807.mail.yahoo.com> (message
	from Justin Bellars on Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:35:43 -0700 (PDT))
References: <20020924213543.19663.qmail@web10807.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200209242329.g8ONTJ529668@quill.local>

> mailing list of 1 million constituent members within 12 hours.

Justin,
  your requirements sound like Ezmlm (with the Ezmlm-index patches
which among other things provdes a MySQL interface) would be the
best solution for your needs in terms of currently-existing software.
Ezmlm reuires Qmail as the MTA; there are some (relatively obscure)
Qmail tricks that allow you to do the rate-throttling you want.

> if a proprietary solution would have to be developed

One of the big drawbacks of Ezmlm is that it doesn't come with a
genuine Free Software license, so it'll have to be classified as
"proprietary" (even if its licensing situation not nearly as evil as
with most other proprietary software).

If this bothers you, you could sponsor the development of performance
enhancements for Mailman that will make it very suitable for
situations like you describe.

> 2) would like to know if any MLM, whether Mailman or not, has a
> built-in facility for throttling the rate at which messages are
> delivered to particular domains like AOL or Yahoo

This kind of thing needs to be implemented in the MTA... maybe Mailman
should come with a special-purpose MTA?  (One which does only the
first round of delivery attempts for any given message, with per
recipient host rate-throttling, and while doing this using the disk
only for journaling... actually I probably should have proposed this
on the mailman-developers list.)

Greetings, Norbert.

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From dbpemste at artsci.wustl.edu  Wed Sep 25 04:59:51 2002
From: dbpemste at artsci.wustl.edu (Dan Pemstein)
Date: 24 Sep 2002 21:59:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with setup on debian 3.0 (woody)
Message-ID: <1032922797.1664.6.camel@aurelius>

I installed mailman 2.0.11-1woody1 using apt-get and then went through
all the configuration details listed on the mailman web-site.  I'm not
sure I did everything right because the debian dir structure for mailman
is a touch on the confusing side.  It is unclear what debian configured
and what I have to configure myself (I did the crontab changes
instructed for example but for all I know they are handled already). 
I'm pretty sure debian configures root as the mailman user but I'm not
positive.

Anyway, I created a test list called Dan.  I can connect to the list
page:  http://lcws.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dan and the admin page,
but when I try to log in as admin I get the message:

Bug in Mailman version 2.0.11

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited,
but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. 

The log looks like this:

Sep 24 21:30:01 2002 qrunner(1582): Traceback (most recent call last):
Sep 24 21:30:01 2002 qrunner(1582):   File
"/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", lineSep 24 21:30:01 2002
qrunner(1582):      lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
Sep 24 21:30:01 2002 qrunner(1582):   File
"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.pySep 24 21:30:01 2002
qrunner(1582):      self.__write()
Sep 24 21:30:01 2002 qrunner(1582):   File
"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.pySep 24 21:30:01 2002
qrunner(1582):      fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
Sep 24 21:30:01 2002 qrunner(1582): IOError :  [Errno 13] Permission
denied: '/vSep 24 21:31:01 2002 qrunner(1585): Traceback (most recent
call last):
Sep 24 21:31:01 2002 qrunner(1585):   File
"/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", lineSep 24 21:31:01 2002
qrunner(1585):      lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
Sep 24 21:31:01 2002 qrunner(1585):   File
"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.pySep 24 21:31:01 2002
qrunner(1585):      self.__write()
Sep 24 21:31:01 2002 qrunner(1585):   File
"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.pySep 24 21:31:01 2002
qrunner(1585):      fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
Sep 24 21:31:01 2002 qrunner(1585): IOError :  [Errno 13] Permission
denied: '/vSep 24 21:31:32 2002 admin(1596):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(1596): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.11 -----]
admin(1596): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(1596): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(1596):   File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 98, in
run_main
admin(1596):     main()
admin(1596):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 145,
in main
admin(1596):     mlist.Lock()
admin(1596):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1340,
in Lock
admin(1596):     self.__lock.lock(timeout)
admin(1596):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in
lock
admin(1596):     self.__write()
admin(1596):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in
__writeadmin(1596):     fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
admin(1596): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/lib/mailman/locks/testadmin(1596): [----- Python Information
-----]
admin(1596): sys.version    = 2.1.3 (#1, Sep  7 2002, 15:29:56) 
[GCC 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease)]
admin(1596): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(1596): sys.prefix     = /usr
admin(1596): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
admin(1596): sys.path       = /usr
admin(1596): sys.platform   = linux2
admin(1596): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(1596):    DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www
admin(1596):    SERVER_ADDR: 192.168.1.2
admin(1596):    HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate, compress;q=0.9
admin(1596):    SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(1596):    PATH_TRANSLATED: /var/www/test
admin(1596):    GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(1596):    UNIQUE_ID: PZEgA8CoAQIAAHUeG0E
admin(1596):    REMOTE_ADDR: 192.168.1.1
admin(1596):    SERVER_NAME: aurelius.lcws.org
admin(1596):    HTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive
admin(1596):    HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 Galeon/1.2.5 (X11; Linux
i686; U;) admin(1596):    HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: ISO-8859-1, utf-8;q=0.66,
*;q=0.66
admin(1596):    HTTP_ACCEPT:
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,textadmin(1596):   
REQUEST_URI: /cgi-bin/mailman/admin/test
admin(1596):    QUERY_STRING: 
admin(1596):    SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/admin
admin(1596):    HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE: 300
admin(1596):    HTTP_HOST: lcws.org
admin(1596):    REQUEST_METHOD: GET
admin(1596):    SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.26 Server at
aurelius.lcws
admin(1596):    SCRIPT_NAME: /cgi-bin/mailman/admin
admin(1596):    SERVER_ADMIN: webmaster at aurelius.lcws.org
admin(1596):    SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) Debian GNU/Linux
admin(1596):    PYTHONPATH: /var/lib/mailman
admin(1596):    PATH_INFO: /test
admin(1596):    HTTP_COOKIE:
test:admin=280200000069fc1a913d73280000006162303439admin(1596):   
SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(1596):    REMOTE_PORT: 38822

Any ideas what is wrong or where to go for debian-specific docs on
mailman configuration?

Thanks,

Dan


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From stoney at sb.org  Wed Sep 25 16:31:13 2002
From: stoney at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:31:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approval via email response broken in 2.1b3?
Message-ID: <B9B740F1.45AE2%stoney@sb.org>

I've been trying out the moderation system in 2.1b3, and have found that
using the reply mechanism has no effect - the message stays in the approval
queue.

The reply goes to the list-request address. The Subject is "confirm <a long
string>". I put the line "Approved: listpassword" on the first line of the
reply.

Is this known to work or is broken?

Thanks.

 - Stoney

-- 
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stoney at sb.org           http://www.sb.org/stoney/





From stoney at sb.org  Wed Sep 25 16:40:46 2002
From: stoney at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:40:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Routine List Moderation?
Message-ID: <B9B7432E.45AE9%stoney@sb.org>

In 2.1b3, the help text for respond_to_post_requests in General Options
says: "Approval notices are sent when mail triggers certain of the limits
except routine list moderation and spam filters, for which notices are not
sent."

For some lists, I want them to be routinely moderated and avoid the approval
notices, but I can't find any setting for that, just the ability to moderate
individual members.

Is there really a way to set up a list so that it's always moderated, and
quietly?

Thanks.

 - Stoney

-- 
Stonewall Ballard 
stoney at sb.org           http://www.sb.org/stoney/





From dkap at atg.com  Wed Sep 25 20:50:47 2002
From: dkap at atg.com (From the Desk Of ...)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:50:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with migration majordomo, mhonarc, lyris, smartlist to Mailman
Message-ID: <3D920587.3090409@atg.com>

Greetings.

I have a bunch of majordomo lists, who's archives are stored by mhonarc 
that I need to migrate to Mailman.  I've poured through the archives, 
and google looking for what should be a fairly simple python script (I 
believe) but, being that I don't program in python (as to yet) I have 
yet to find one.  Being that there are things like owners, and passwords 
to be maintained between them, and things like open or closed to the 
world and the like.  I'd rather not have to do them all by hand, and 
yet, there isn't that in the archives that I can find that will assist 
me in this, nor a section of contrib files or the like on the Mailman 
web page.  One would think that, being that Mailman is, indeed, the 
list-manager of choice, there would be tools to take all the other types 
of list managers and convert them to the Mailman format ...

Also I have a bunch of lyris lists, with their attached archives that I 
want to move to Mailman.  This looks more complex.  Lyris guards it's 
information most well.

The smartlist lists are only difficult for they are on a virtual-hosted 
machine, and I have to pick out the pieces most carefully, and convert 
that way.

-dkap




From Nestlerv at aol.com  Wed Sep 25 22:48:38 2002
From: Nestlerv at aol.com (Nestlerv at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:48:38 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I ...
Message-ID: <bf.27107655.2ac37b26@aol.com>

configure the mailing list so that no users can post.

I want is only as a vehicle for me to be able to distribute information to 
people who subscribe to my list.

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From raquel at thericehouse.net  Thu Sep 26 00:03:34 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:03:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Routine List Moderation?
In-Reply-To: <B9B7432E.45AE9%stoney@sb.org>
References: <B9B7432E.45AE9%stoney@sb.org>
Message-ID: <20020925150334.6c6f6884.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:40:46 -0400
Stonewall Ballard <stoney at sb.org> wrote:

> In 2.1b3, the help text for respond_to_post_requests in General
> Options says: "Approval notices are sent when mail triggers
> certain of the limits except routine list moderation and spam
> filters, for which notices are not sent."
> 
> For some lists, I want them to be routinely moderated and avoid
> the approval notices, but I can't find any setting for that, just
> the ability to moderate individual members.
> 
> Is there really a way to set up a list so that it's always
> moderated, and quietly?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
>  - Stoney

Membership Management ... 
bottom of the page ... 
"Set everyone's moderation bit, including those members not
currently visible"

--
Raquel
============================================================
You and I want our lives to matter.  We want our lives to make a
real difference - to be of genuine consequence in the world.  We
know that there is no satisfaction in merely going through the
motions, even if those motions make us successful, or even if we
have arranged to make those motions pleasant.  We want to know we
have made some impact on the world.  In fact, you and I want to
contribute to the quality of life.  We want to make the world work.
  --Werner Erhard




From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Thu Sep 26 00:08:42 2002
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:08:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Replies getting lost
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209251718580.14782-100000@grande.el.net>
Message-ID: <3D9233EA.A11C6902@whidbey.com>

I have a small group of lists for one client (one company wide, one each for four
offices, one for the managers, etc.) that are all set to "Reply to sender" as the
default. For most users it works just fine. However, some of the Outlook 2000
users seem to end up with their replies directed to the list-admin address instead
of to the sender. I've looked at the headers, and there is a clear "From:" header
in place, but Outlook appears to be replying to "Return-path:" instead. Worse,
this only seems to happen with messages that were originally sent by an Outlook
user.

As far as I have seen, the problem does not occur with messages sent to the list
by Eudora, Netscape, or Outlook Express, and it doesn't apply to Outlook messages
to the list when Eudora, Netscape, or Outlook Express users reply.

As far as I can tell, the headers are saying what they are supposed to. Has anyone
run into this? Is there some obscure setting in Outlook that is controlling this?
(I won't personally use any Microsoft mail product, and don't recommend it, but I
can't keep subscribers from doing silly things!)

Van


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From rhorer at swbell.net  Thu Sep 26 00:28:22 2002
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:28:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail List Encryption
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209251329440.14397-100000@gwyn.tux.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209251329440.14397-100000@gwyn.tux.org>
Message-ID: <200209251728.22180.rhorer@swbell.net>

On Wednesday 25 September 2002 12:40, mailman at tux.org wrote:
> I am inclined to agree with Jon (that what you really want is for
> your list members to do the encrypting)

That would only work in a shared-secret environment.  If you want to use 
public key crypto, then Mailman would have to decrypt the message from 
the sender using Mailman's private key and recrypt a copy to each 
recipient using the recipient's public key.

> If its important that the messages be encrypted on their way -out-,
> its important that they be encrypted on their way -in-.

Absolutely!




From rhorer at swbell.net  Thu Sep 26 00:32:34 2002
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:32:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail List Encryption
In-Reply-To: <10753.1032979421@kanga.nu>
References: 
 <9C2F3AD0B86DC94B987EC4FB97C7A32405EEADA3@XCH-SW-08.sw.nos.boeing.com>
 <1032961023.5332.5.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> <10753.1032979421@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <200209251732.34250.rhorer@swbell.net>

On Wednesday 25 September 2002 13:43, J C Lawrence wrote:
> A common definition of a crypted list:
>
>   Mail sent to the list is crpyted with the list's public key.
>
>   The list uncrypts the mail and broadcasts it to each member.
>
>   Prior to transmission each message is crypted with that individual
>   member's public key.

Guess I should have read all the new messages before replying :)



From jimpop at rocketship.com  Thu Sep 26 01:12:13 2002
From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:12:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to kill the evil that is sendmail
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLKFIDENNFHKFMGAIEEHHCFAA.badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FMELKIGJMCKDEONBJEDGMELBEEAA.jimpop@rocketship.com>

Hi Angel,

What you need to do is configure sendmail to not be persistent with flaky
mail servers (this assumes it is not your mail server that is flaky).  I do
this on my lists because I don't want every thing backing up when someone's
home based linux mailserver is down while they are fsking with it.  Besides,
if they really want the missed email, they can go look in the archives.
Here are my relevant sendmail.cf settings that pertain to this, basically
they cause sendmail to not waste much time:

# timeouts (many of these)
O Timeout.initial=1m
O Timeout.connect=0
O Timeout.iconnect=30s
O Timeout.helo=2m
O Timeout.rcpt=2m
O Timeout.ident=0
O Timeout.queuereturn=1h
O Timeout.queuewarn=4h

-Jim P.

>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 	mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]
> Sent:	Wednesday, September 25, 2002 6:39 AM
> To:	Mailman
> Subject:	[Mailman-Users] How to kill the evil that is sendmail
>
> Yes you guessed it, sendmail is pissing me off!! What I would like to do,
is to get rid of all the email that sendmail is STILL strying to send. You
know when it tries to deliver mail for up to five days or whatever. I
stopped short of uninstalling it, and re-installing it in case it picks up
where it left off. I look in the mail queue, and I can't see any messages,
but I look in the logs, and it's trying addresses every hour or so. It's
making me wonder if, mailman is the culprit. Because I can't see what
mailman is about to do, I can only see the end results. It's not slowing
down my machine, or anything like that, it's just plain ANNOYING. Any ideas
anyone?
>
> ***
> Not everyone is touched by an Angel......and those that are, never forget
the experience.
> ***
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> ***
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From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Thu Sep 26 01:39:41 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:39:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mail List Encryption
In-Reply-To: <200209250909.g8P99VJ32421@quill.local>
References: <9C2F3AD0B86DC94B987EC4FB97C7A32405EEADA3@XCH-SW-08.sw.nos.boeing.com> <200209250909.g8P99VJ32421@quill.local>
Message-ID: <20020925233941.GF12249@hq.newdream.net>

Norbert Bollow wrote:

> > I do I setup Mailman so that all emails being sent out are encrypted?
> > Or do I need to specify this in the Sendmail?
> 
> This is not trivial at all; I think the most tricky issue will
> probably be the matter of key management (and this definately needs to
> be done at "Mailman" level, not at the "sendmail" level; the technical
> details will be a topic for mailman-developers, not mailman-users.
> 
> > Any clue?  Thanks for any inputs.

IIRC, sympa has some support for encrypted lists, although it may only
have support for S/MIME encryption.

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Sep 26 01:51:01 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 25 Sep 2002 19:51:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qfiles problem
In-Reply-To: <F193k3EOZEubOCnkdDX000081da@hotmail.com>
References: <F193k3EOZEubOCnkdDX000081da@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <1032997862.1633.29.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Are you running spam filtering? Could it be some vicious anti-relay
rules setup on your MTA? Can it be that only root has access to
localhost (127.0.0.1)on your machine?

What happens if you telnet to smtp while logged in as mailman:
  su mailman
  telnet 127.0.0.1 25

Looks like mailman isn't able to attach to the smtp server on your local
box (but root is able to).

Jon

On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 14:27, Know How wrote:
> Jon,
>   Thanks for the reply again. When i run qrunner from mailman i see 
> following messages shown below are logged into mailman log files (three logs 
> files, those are smtp-failure, post and smtp).
> 
> For every qrunner i run from mailman account I see ignore in smtp-failure 
> log file, i see failures in post log file and getaddrinfo failed in smtp log 
> file. As i said in the earlier mail that qrunner does not process any 
> messages in qfiles when run as mailman user, and it runs fine from root.
> 





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Sep 26 01:54:33 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 25 Sep 2002 19:54:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Perms?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0209251914130.3348-100000@willow.s3x.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0209251914130.3348-100000@willow.s3x.com>
Message-ID: <1032998073.1633.33.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

In the same directory their is an app to check the configuration of a
list.  You can run that to see if your list's configuration file is
corrupt, but it may be something simplier... have you checked in the
~mailman/locks/..  directory?  Delete any old locks (or new locks if
your not running anything).

Jon
On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 14:37, Dave Magill wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've run check+perms and it has no complaints, but mailman crashes on
> every request. I have no idea about python, so can someone point me in the
> right direction? What is going on here?
> 
> Regards,
> 	Dave.
> 
> 
> 
> Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 (25006) Delivery exception:
> Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 (25006) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/home/apache/sites/mailman//Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line
> 82, in do_pipeline
>     func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/home/apache/sites/mailman//Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line
> 77, in process
>     mlist.Lock()
>   File "/home/apache/sites/mailman//Mailman/MailList.py", line 1339, in
> Lock
>     self.__lock.lock(timeout)
>   File "/home/apache/sites/mailman//Mailman/LockFile.py", line 266, in
> lock
>     raise AlreadyLockedError
> AlreadyLockedError
> 
> Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006): Traceback (most recent call last):
> Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):   File
> "/home/apache/sites/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
> Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):      kids = main(lock)
> Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):   File
> "/home/apache/sites/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 264, in main
> Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):      mlist.Save()
> Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):   File
> "/home/apache/sites/mailman//Mailman/MailList.py", line 861, in Save
> Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):      self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
> Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):   File
> "/home/apache/sites/mailman//Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 256, in
> CheckHTMLArchiveDir
> Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):      makelink(privdir, pubdir)
> Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):   File
> "/home/apache/sites/mailman//Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 42, in
> makelink
> Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):      os.symlink(old, new)
> Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006): OSError :  [Errno 2] No such file or
> directory
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/





From chk at pobox.com  Thu Sep 26 03:17:30 2002
From: chk at pobox.com (Harald Koch)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:17:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Approval via email response broken in 2.1b3?
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:23:24 +0200".
	 <5.1.1.6.2.20020925212101.00b9ed10@wheresmymailserver.com> 
References: <B9B76079.45B44%sb.list@sb.org> <5.1.1.6.2.20020925180749.00b9eab8@mail.larsson.it> <B9B76079.45B44%sb.list@sb.org>
            <5.1.1.6.2.20020925212101.00b9ed10@wheresmymailserver.com>
Message-ID: <26650.1033003050@elisabeth.cfrq.net>

Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Henrik Larsson
had to walk into mine and say:
> >Web approval works for me in 2.1b3, but I've never tried email
> >approval.
> 
> When i press Approve (or Reject), and press "Submit All Data" it just loops 
> back to the same page without doing anything.
> 
> Then i can try to "Submit All Data" again, but still without success.
> 
> Any idea on what is going on?

I've only seen this behaviour once, and I tracked it down to my
webserver issuing redirects from http://www.dom.ain/mm/... to
https://www.dom.ain/mm/... (i.e. HTTP to HTTP over SSL). The redirect
was eating the POST.

I took the redirect out, and everything went back to normal.

I'm running 2.1b3 (stock) on a Linux RedHat 7.2 system.

-- 
Harald Koch     <chk at pobox.com>

"It takes a child to raze a village."
		-Michael T. Fry



From markgill at greatbooks.org  Thu Sep 26 03:46:59 2002
From: markgill at greatbooks.org (Mark Gillingham)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:46:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] log directories exceed 64K
Message-ID: <D8B3FFD6-D0F1-11D6-8789-0030653D7320@greatbooks.org>

Most of the files in /var/log/mailman/ are empty and I don't understand 
why the format is of many directories with numbers (e.g., 
post.5.4.3.2.1). This came to get me this weekend when our local telco 
cut our line and many extra logfiles were created because mail could 
not be sent or received. The number of directories exceed 64K and 
caused my system to stop. Can I erase all of these logs? Why are the 
created in this way? Where can I read about them?

Mark




From daz at postmark.net  Thu Sep 26 05:23:29 2002
From: daz at postmark.net (Daz)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 04:23:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] .htaccess
Message-ID: <a05111a07b9b82d3dab3a@[192.168.1.12]>

Hi

I am thinking of putting some sort of security on the Mailman 
archives to stop harvesting of email addresses etc.

I have set up a .htaccess file at the same level as the index.html 
page of the archives (/archives/public/nameoflist/) but this does not 
seem to work.

Has anybody else set this up successfully? Am I using hte correct directory?

Regards

Daz



From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Thu Sep 26 06:17:38 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:17:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cookies on beta version
Message-ID: <20020926041738.GB12249@hq.newdream.net>

I just started testing the beta version of mailman (2.1b3 in this case)
on one of my machines. My friend was complaining about having to
re-authenticate each time in OS X IE. He was able to fix the problem by
switching to Mozilla.

However, now, I'm having hte same problem. I'm using Mozilla 1.0 on
FreeBSD, and yes... cookies are enabled. I'm asked to re-authenticate
every time I switch to a different page. If I remove my cookies.txt file
and restart Mozilla, the problem seems to go away - I'll write back if
the problem turns back up.

I also noticed it's *really* hard to download the beta version from the
Mailman site - is this intentional? Even if I go to the specific site
for the beta version, the only links I can find are to the sourceforge
page (where I was able to download the beta), or the link to the stable
version.

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From wash at wananchi.com  Thu Sep 26 06:50:51 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 07:50:51 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] .htaccess
In-Reply-To: <a05111a07b9b82d3dab3a@[192.168.1.12]>
References: <a05111a07b9b82d3dab3a@[192.168.1.12]>
Message-ID: <20020926045051.GA36984@ns2.wananchi.com>

* Daz <daz at postmark.net> [20020926 06:24]: wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I am thinking of putting some sort of security on the Mailman 
> archives to stop harvesting of email addresses etc.
> 
> I have set up a .htaccess file at the same level as the index.html 
> page of the archives (/archives/public/nameoflist/) but this does not 
> seem to work.
> 
> Has anybody else set this up successfully? Am I using hte correct directory?


Why don't you just make the archives Private, with only list members allowed
access?


Anyway, while I haven't tried it, have you done something like this in httpd.conf:


<Directory /archives/public/nameoflist/>
  Order allow,deny
  AllowOverride None AuthConfig
  AuthType Basic 
  AuthName "Mailman _nameoflist_ Archives"
  AuthUserFile  /path/to/some/file/with/passwords
  require valid-user
 </Directory>

I am wondering how you will manage the passwd file though....




        cheers
       - wash 
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From chris at joelly.net  Thu Sep 26 09:29:52 2002
From: chris at joelly.net (Chris Joelly)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:29:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman List admin password not working anymore?
Message-ID: <1033025392.3d92b770aacc5@secure.activenetworks.at>

Hello all!

i have problems with some of my list admin passwords. I cannot login on the
admin page with my passwords, but i have dumpdb'ed the config.db files, and if i
compare the hash code of the encrypted passwords (i recalculate them with perl's
crypt) with the stored password then they appear as the same password.

I have also found one posting on an python list regarding something changed in
python, which affects the list admin password on mailman.

Can anybody tell me how to restore or set new passwords for mailman list admins?

Thanx, Chris

-- 
Chris Joelly






From j.wards at sportnetwork.net  Thu Sep 26 13:23:03 2002
From: j.wards at sportnetwork.net (John Wards)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:23:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Showing number of posts
Message-ID: <200209261223.03028.j.wards@sportnetwork.net>

Hi,

If there a way of showing the number of posts each user has done on a list?

If this is not in built can someone point me in the right direction of where 
it start?

I don't know any python but I am willing and able to learn. I know PHP could I 
do it using PHP?

Cheers
John Wards
Sportnetwork.net 



From j.wards at sportnetwork.net  Thu Sep 26 13:24:46 2002
From: j.wards at sportnetwork.net (John Wards)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:24:46 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Asking users more questions
Message-ID: <200209261224.46105.j.wards@sportnetwork.net>

Hi

I need to ask users and store more things than just a users email address.

So in sign up they get asked Telephone, Address, email etc.

Is this possible and which files would I need to start hacking at?

Cheers
John Wards
SportNetwork.net



From j.wards at sportnetwork.net  Thu Sep 26 13:26:43 2002
From: j.wards at sportnetwork.net (John Wards)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:26:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Opt-In..
Message-ID: <200209261226.43708.j.wards@sportnetwork.net>

In membership management you have the option of mass subscribing users.

Is their anyway of hacking this so that it sends out the confirm email 
instead?

If so where would I begin to hack?

Cheers
John Wards
Sportnetwork.net



From sebold at lcms.org  Thu Sep 26 15:10:59 2002
From: sebold at lcms.org (Charles Sebold)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:10:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] log directories exceed 64K
In-Reply-To: <D8B3FFD6-D0F1-11D6-8789-0030653D7320@greatbooks.org>
References: <D8B3FFD6-D0F1-11D6-8789-0030653D7320@greatbooks.org>
Message-ID: <87it0srj4s.fsf@lcms.org>

On 19 Tishrei 5763, Mark Gillingham wrote:

> Most of the files in /var/log/mailman/ are empty and I don't
> understand why the format is of many directories with numbers (e.g.,
> post.5.4.3.2.1). This came to get me this weekend when our local telco
> cut our line and many extra logfiles were created because mail could
> not be sent or received. The number of directories exceed 64K and
> caused my system to stop. Can I erase all of these logs? Why are the
> created in this way? Where can I read about them?

The problem is not Mailman but your log rotation software.  You might
have a look around /etc/logrotate* and see if you can figure out where
it is configured incorrectly.
-- 
Charles Sebold        Microsoft delenda est        20th of Tishrei, 5763
LCMS - Office of Information Systems               http://docs.lcms.org/
        *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily ***
        *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod ***




From chris at joelly.net  Thu Sep 26 15:53:55 2002
From: chris at joelly.net (Chris Joelly)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:53:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman List admin password not working anymore?
In-Reply-To: <1033025392.3d92b770aacc5@secure.activenetworks.at>
References: <1033025392.3d92b770aacc5@secure.activenetworks.at>
Message-ID: <1033048435.3d93117306a4c@secure.activenetworks.at>

Hello again!

i habe also tried to login with the site password, and after i could not login
with that "global" password i reset and changed the password with mmsitepass,
but its all the same. mailman doesn't accept any password...

can anybody tell me whats f** wrong?

thanks, Chris

-- 
Chris Joelly



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Sep 26 15:55:25 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 26 Sep 2002 09:55:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM Stats: Showing number of posts
In-Reply-To: <200209261223.03028.j.wards@sportnetwork.net>
References: <200209261223.03028.j.wards@sportnetwork.net>
Message-ID: <1033048528.5232.28.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 07:23, John Wards wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> If there a way of showing the number of posts each user has done on a list?
> 
> If this is not in built can someone point me in the right direction of where 
> it start?
> 
> I don't know any python but I am willing and able to learn. I know PHP could I 
> do it using PHP?
> 
> Cheers
> John Wards
> Sportnetwork.net 
> 
===

How about a bash script that sucks the info out of the log files? This
script only pulls the top 10 users, but you can tweak a line and have it
dump all the users.

Note: you should rotate your log files Monthly and keep at least one old
copy. Normally the old copy is named the same as the original file but
has a ".1" added to the end.

Copy the script below into a file and run it the day after you rotate
your log files - point it to run using the ".1" log file.

=== Start of mm_stats file ===
#! /bin/bash
# Run monthly stats on Meeting maker logs
#  - top 10 users of each list
#  - Number of attempted posts (per list)
#  - Total bytes sent (per list)
#
# Mailman's log file to be examined for stats
POST=~mailman/logs/post.1

# create temp file to collect stats
TMPFILE=`mktemp /tmp/mm_stats.XXXXXX` || exit 1

LIST="`/home/mailman/bin/list_lists |awk '{print $1}' |sed -n '2,$p'`"
for i in $LIST
do
  echo "Stats from local Mailman list: $i" > $TMPFILE
  echo " "  >> $TMPFILE
  echo -n "   Starting:  " >> $TMPFILE
  head -1 $POST |cut -f1-3 "-d " >> $TMPFILE
  echo -n "   Ending:    " >> $TMPFILE
  tail -1 $POST |cut -f1-3 "-d " >> $TMPFILE
  echo " ===" >> $TMPFILE
  echo -n "Total posts to the list: " >> $TMPFILE
  grep -i "post to $i " $POST |wc -l >> $TMPFILE
  echo -n "Total SUCCESSFUL posts to the list: " >> $TMPFILE
  grep -i "post to $i " $POST |grep success |wc -l >> $TMPFILE
  SIZ=`grep -i "post to $i" $POST |grep success |cut -f2 -d= |cut -f1
-d,`
  k=0; for j in $SIZ; do k=$(( j + k )); done
  echo "  Total bytes" = $k >> $TMPFILE
  echo " "  >> $TMPFILE
  echo "Top 10 posters to the list:" >> $TMPFILE
  grep -i "post to $i " $POST |cut -f 10 "-d " |sort |uniq -c \
     |sort -bgr |head -10 >> $TMPFILE
  echo " " >> $TMPFILE
  # Mail the collected stats off to the list admin and cc the mailman
user
  mail -s "Mailman Stats for List: $i" -c mailman $i-admin <$TMPFILE
done

# remove the temp file
rm $TMPFILE

=== End of mm_stats file ===

Take care - Jon Carnes




From eric at ee.com.do  Thu Sep 26 17:06:22 2002
From: eric at ee.com.do (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Eric_Roz=F3n?=)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:06:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on a shared server???
References: <200209261226.43708.j.wards@sportnetwork.net>
Message-ID: <007b01c2656e$4d6dbac0$9704a8c0@iknowkungfu>

Hello Mailman Users,
I've been a member of the list for about a week now and have not seen anyone
post this question:

Can Mailman run on one of Alabanza's shared servers?

I have a shared hosting account on one of those servers and I need a mail
management system like
Mailman.  I was wondering if this is possible without having ROOT on that
server.

Thanks for your time.


-Eric






From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Sep 26 15:57:25 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 26 Sep 2002 09:57:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Opt-In..
In-Reply-To: <200209261226.43708.j.wards@sportnetwork.net>
References: <200209261226.43708.j.wards@sportnetwork.net>
Message-ID: <1033048646.5247.30.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Move to the beta version.  This is one of the features in the 2.1.x
series.

On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 07:26, John Wards wrote:
> In membership management you have the option of mass subscribing users.
> 
> Is their anyway of hacking this so that it sends out the confirm email 
> instead?
> 
> If so where would I begin to hack?
> 
> Cheers
> John Wards
> Sportnetwork.net
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/





From mailman at tux.org  Thu Sep 26 16:53:35 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:53:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I ...
In-Reply-To: <bf.27107655.2ac37b26@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209261052510.29891-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 Nestlerv at aol.com wrote:

> configure the mailing list so that no users can post.
>
> I want is only as a vehicle for me to be able to distribute
> information to people who subscribe to my list.

Check the FAQ.  How do you find the FAQ?  Check your welcome message.

- Andrew

  ----------------------------------------------------------------
  Mailman Administrator   -   http://www.tux.org/mailman/listinfo/




From irwin at taranto.com  Thu Sep 26 16:55:35 2002
From: irwin at taranto.com (irwin)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 07:55:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman List admin password not working anymore?
In-Reply-To: <1033048435.3d93117306a4c@secure.activenetworks.at>
References: <1033025392.3d92b770aacc5@secure.activenetworks.at> <1033048435.3d93117306a4c@secure.activenetworks.at>
Message-ID: <200209261455.g8QEtaB12862@taranto.com>

On Thursday 26 September 2002 06:53 am, Chris Joelly wrote:
> Hello again!
>
> i habe also tried to login with the site password, and after i could not
> login with that "global" password i reset and changed the password with
> mmsitepass, but its all the same. mailman doesn't accept any password...
>
> can anybody tell me whats f** wrong?
>
> thanks, Chris

I think that happens when you are not accepting cookies.

Irwin



From reuven at lerner.co.il  Thu Sep 26 16:55:37 2002
From: reuven at lerner.co.il (Reuven M. Lerner)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:55:37 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sending mail to lists gets stuck
Message-ID: <15763.8169.328371.940257@henrietta-szold.lerner.co.il>

I've just installed Mailman on a Red Hat 7.2 machine (with all
non-kernel updates).  I used the RPM version (2.0.13-1).  We're
running the stock Sendmail version, also from an RPM (8.11.6-3).

Everything seemed trivially easy until it came time to send mail to
members of a list.  The list members receive a welcome message.  I can
send e-mail from the machine to the members, and vice-versa.

The only trouble, mail-wise, appears to be the Mailman lists: Anything
that I send to a list disappears into a black hole, or so it seems.
That is, if I send e-mail to the "reuventest" list, I see the
following in the Sendmail logs:

    Sep 26 16:34:07 mail sendmail[32214]: g8QDY7j32213:
    to="|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post reuventest",
    ctladdr=<reuventest at THEORG.org.il> (8/0), delay=00:00:00,
    xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30047, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent

Following this, I get nothing at all.  In other words, the e-mail
reached Mailman, but Mailman didn't pass the message along to members
of the list.  Nothing appears in the archives either.

I followed the directions included in the RPM for configuring for Red
Hat Linux.  I also used check_perms, and discovered that the
permissions used by the RPM aren't acceptable to Mailman, since they
use gid 0 rather than the "mailman" user's gid.  I used "check_perms
-f" to fix this, and now check_perms indicates that everything is OK.

We're running behind a firewall with only ports 25 (SMTP), 53 (DNS),
and 110 (POP3) open.  But I find it hard to believe that the firewall
is causing any trouble here.  Neither the FAQ nor the manual were of
any obvious help.

Has anyone else encountered this?  If so, I would be happy to hear
ways to get around this very puzzling problem.

Reuven




From j.wards at sportnetwork.net  Thu Sep 26 17:00:08 2002
From: j.wards at sportnetwork.net (John Wards)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:00:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sending mail to lists gets stuck
In-Reply-To: <15763.8169.328371.940257@henrietta-szold.lerner.co.il>
References: <15763.8169.328371.940257@henrietta-szold.lerner.co.il>
Message-ID: <200209261600.08773.j.wards@sportnetwork.net>

Is there any files in your ~mailman/qmail/ dir?

John

On Thursday 26 Sep 2002 3:55 pm, Reuven M. Lerner wrote:
> I've just installed Mailman on a Red Hat 7.2 machine (with all
> non-kernel updates).  I used the RPM version (2.0.13-1).  We're
> running the stock Sendmail version, also from an RPM (8.11.6-3).
>
> Everything seemed trivially easy until it came time to send mail to
> members of a list.  The list members receive a welcome message.  I can
> send e-mail from the machine to the members, and vice-versa.
>
> The only trouble, mail-wise, appears to be the Mailman lists: Anything
> that I send to a list disappears into a black hole, or so it seems.
> That is, if I send e-mail to the "reuventest" list, I see the
> following in the Sendmail logs:
>
>     Sep 26 16:34:07 mail sendmail[32214]: g8QDY7j32213:
>     to="|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post reuventest",
>     ctladdr=<reuventest at THEORG.org.il> (8/0), delay=00:00:00,
>     xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30047, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
>
> Following this, I get nothing at all.  In other words, the e-mail
> reached Mailman, but Mailman didn't pass the message along to members
> of the list.  Nothing appears in the archives either.
>
> I followed the directions included in the RPM for configuring for Red
> Hat Linux.  I also used check_perms, and discovered that the
> permissions used by the RPM aren't acceptable to Mailman, since they
> use gid 0 rather than the "mailman" user's gid.  I used "check_perms
> -f" to fix this, and now check_perms indicates that everything is OK.
>
> We're running behind a firewall with only ports 25 (SMTP), 53 (DNS),
> and 110 (POP3) open.  But I find it hard to believe that the firewall
> is causing any trouble here.  Neither the FAQ nor the manual were of
> any obvious help.
>
> Has anyone else encountered this?  If so, I would be happy to hear
> ways to get around this very puzzling problem.
>
> Reuven
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From irwin at taranto.com  Thu Sep 26 17:03:58 2002
From: irwin at taranto.com (irwin)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:03:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sending mail to lists gets stuck
In-Reply-To: <15763.8169.328371.940257@henrietta-szold.lerner.co.il>
References: <15763.8169.328371.940257@henrietta-szold.lerner.co.il>
Message-ID: <200209261503.g8QF3wn13002@taranto.com>

On Thursday 26 September 2002 07:55 am, Reuven M. Lerner wrote:

>     Sep 26 16:34:07 mail sendmail[32214]: g8QDY7j32213:
>     to="|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post reuventest",
>     ctladdr=<reuventest at THEORG.org.il> (8/0), delay=00:00:00,
>     xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30047, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
>
> Following this, I get nothing at all.  In other words, the e-mail
> reached Mailman, but Mailman didn't pass the message along to members
> of the list.  Nothing appears in the archives either.
>
> I followed the directions included in the RPM for configuring for Red
> Hat Linux.  I also used check_perms, and discovered that the
> permissions used by the RPM aren't acceptable to Mailman, since they
> use gid 0 rather than the "mailman" user's gid.  I used "check_perms
> -f" to fix this, and now check_perms indicates that everything is OK.
>

Did you set up the mailman cron file?   Check to see if the messages are 
sitting in  .../mailman/qfiles

Irwin



From sb.list at sb.org  Thu Sep 26 17:20:26 2002
From: sb.list at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:20:26 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sending mail to lists gets stuck
In-Reply-To: <15763.8169.328371.940257@henrietta-szold.lerner.co.il>
Message-ID: <B9B89DFA.45E14%sb.list@sb.org>

wrapper will ignore messages sent to it if the gid of sendmail isn't set
correctly when configuring Mailman.

On 9/26/02 10:55 AM, "Reuven M. Lerner" <reuven at lerner.co.il> wrote:

> I've just installed Mailman on a Red Hat 7.2 machine (with all
> non-kernel updates).  I used the RPM version (2.0.13-1).  We're
> running the stock Sendmail version, also from an RPM (8.11.6-3).
... 
> Following this, I get nothing at all.  In other words, the e-mail
> reached Mailman, but Mailman didn't pass the message along to members
> of the list.  Nothing appears in the archives either.




From reuven at lerner.co.il  Thu Sep 26 17:46:31 2002
From: reuven at lerner.co.il (Reuven M. Lerner)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:46:31 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sending mail to lists gets stuck
In-Reply-To: <200209261503.g8QF3wn13002@taranto.com>
References: <15763.8169.328371.940257@henrietta-szold.lerner.co.il>
	<200209261503.g8QF3wn13002@taranto.com>
Message-ID: <15763.11223.979095.757028@henrietta-szold.lerner.co.il>

>>>>> "irwin" == irwin  <irwin at taranto.com> writes:

    irwin> Did you set up the mailman cron file?  Check to see if the
    irwin> messages are sitting in .../mailman/qfiles

Aha!  This seems to be the problem.

There are a whole bunch of files in /var/spool/mailman/qfiles.  So
this is where the messages are getting stuck.

Running "qrunner" manually (as root) dumped all of the messages out of
the qfiles directory, and sent them on their merry way to the network.

This also seems to work when I run things as the "mailman" user.

I'm still not sure why mail gets stuck in qfiles, and waits for me to
give it a manual push, but I'm well on the way to fixing this.  I may
end up sending the RPM maintainer some fixes or patches.

Thanks for the generous help!

Reuven




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Sep 26 17:28:52 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 26 Sep 2002 11:28:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sending mail to lists gets stuck
In-Reply-To: <15763.8169.328371.940257@henrietta-szold.lerner.co.il>
References: <15763.8169.328371.940257@henrietta-szold.lerner.co.il>
Message-ID: <1033054132.5247.51.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Check Sendmail and make sure that it will accept any connection from
your local box: netstat -na |grep 25

This is a *very* common problem with the RPM install.  The install
cannot reconfigure Sendmail for you so Sendmail is still stuck in its
high-security mode...

You can either check the archives for the fix, or simply read the
Mailman docs that were installed by the RPM - there is a file that
specifically talks about this problem with Sendmail and how to fix it.


On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 10:55, Reuven M. Lerner wrote:
> I've just installed Mailman on a Red Hat 7.2 machine (with all
> non-kernel updates).  I used the RPM version (2.0.13-1).  We're
> running the stock Sendmail version, also from an RPM (8.11.6-3).
> 
> Everything seemed trivially easy until it came time to send mail to
> members of a list.  The list members receive a welcome message.  I can
> send e-mail from the machine to the members, and vice-versa.
> 
> The only trouble, mail-wise, appears to be the Mailman lists: Anything
> that I send to a list disappears into a black hole, or so it seems.
> That is, if I send e-mail to the "reuventest" list, I see the
> following in the Sendmail logs:
> 
>     Sep 26 16:34:07 mail sendmail[32214]: g8QDY7j32213:
>     to="|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post reuventest",
>     ctladdr=<reuventest at THEORG.org.il> (8/0), delay=00:00:00,
>     xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30047, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
> 
> Following this, I get nothing at all.  In other words, the e-mail
> reached Mailman, but Mailman didn't pass the message along to members
> of the list.  Nothing appears in the archives either.
> 
> I followed the directions included in the RPM for configuring for Red
> Hat Linux.  I also used check_perms, and discovered that the
> permissions used by the RPM aren't acceptable to Mailman, since they
> use gid 0 rather than the "mailman" user's gid.  I used "check_perms
> -f" to fix this, and now check_perms indicates that everything is OK.
> 
> We're running behind a firewall with only ports 25 (SMTP), 53 (DNS),
> and 110 (POP3) open.  But I find it hard to believe that the firewall
> is causing any trouble here.  Neither the FAQ nor the manual were of
> any obvious help.
> 
> Has anyone else encountered this?  If so, I would be happy to hear
> ways to get around this very puzzling problem.
> 
> Reuven
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/





From mailman-users at spambox.dk  Thu Sep 26 17:49:28 2002
From: mailman-users at spambox.dk (Henrik Larsson)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:49:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Approval via email response broken in
  2.1b3?
In-Reply-To: <26650.1033003050@elisabeth.cfrq.net>
References: <Your message of "Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:23:24 +0200". <5.1.1.6.2.20020925212101.00b9ed10@wheresmymailserver.com>
 <B9B76079.45B44%sb.list@sb.org>
 <5.1.1.6.2.20020925180749.00b9eab8@mail.larsson.it>
 <B9B76079.45B44%sb.list@sb.org>
 <5.1.1.6.2.20020925212101.00b9ed10@wheresmymailserver.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20020926174808.00b9eee0@wheresmymailserver.com>

>I've only seen this behaviour once, and I tracked it down to my
>webserver issuing redirects from http://www.dom.ain/mm/... to
>https://www.dom.ain/mm/... (i.e. HTTP to HTTP over SSL). The redirect
>was eating the POST.
>
>I took the redirect out, and everything went back to normal.

It was a redirect from www.domain.tld to domain.tld that did it...
Removed it and it worked again.

Thanks for helping me out :-)

Best regards Henrik




From reuven at lerner.co.il  Thu Sep 26 18:56:43 2002
From: reuven at lerner.co.il (Reuven M. Lerner)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:56:43 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sending mail to lists gets stuck
In-Reply-To: <15763.11223.979095.757028@henrietta-szold.lerner.co.il>
References: <15763.8169.328371.940257@henrietta-szold.lerner.co.il>
	<200209261503.g8QF3wn13002@taranto.com>
	<15763.11223.979095.757028@henrietta-szold.lerner.co.il>
Message-ID: <15763.15435.217065.294950@henrietta-szold.lerner.co.il>

Just as a follow-up for those of you who were curious about the real
cause of the problem: It seems that the guy who maintained this Linux
box before me explicitly turned crond *off*.  No wonder messages were
never leaving the queue!

Sheesh, I've never heard of a Unix box that wasn't running cron.  But
you learn something new every day.

In any event, it seems that the RPM for Mailman is just fine.  Thanks
again for the generous help from everyone on the list!

Reuven



From Warchol at harthosp.org  Thu Sep 26 19:16:28 2002
From: Warchol at harthosp.org (Dave Warchol)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:16:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Name Guidelines
Message-ID: <sd9308ad.000@gwmail.harthosp.org>

Hello:
        In testing, I ran into some issues using a special character
(apostrophe) in the list name, this was in an earlier post.  Any
guidelines to follow when specifying the list name? 

Thanks
Dave



From raquel at thericehouse.net  Thu Sep 26 19:48:02 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:48:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Name Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <sd9308ad.000@gwmail.harthosp.org>
References: <sd9308ad.000@gwmail.harthosp.org>
Message-ID: <20020926104802.5485ae13.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:16:28 -0400
"Dave Warchol" <Warchol at harthosp.org> wrote:

> Hello:
>         In testing, I ran into some issues using a special
>         character
> (apostrophe) in the list name, this was in an earlier post.  Any
> guidelines to follow when specifying the list name? 
> 
> Thanks
> Dave

Pretty much, a legal filename in *nix.  (alphabetic characters,
numeric characters, underscore "_" and, dash "-")

--
Raquel
============================================================
Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own
hearts.
  --Albert Einstein




From dave at s3x.com  Thu Sep 26 20:23:55 2002
From: dave at s3x.com (Dave Magill)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:23:55 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Perms?
In-Reply-To: <1032998073.1633.33.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0209260125400.3348-100000@willow.s3x.com>

Yup, been deleting locks, with cron every minute. Doesn't really help
though. I've run the config_list -c -o and it doesn't show any problems.

root at willow bin]# python -V
Python 2.2.1
[root at willow bin]# ver
[root at willow bin]# ./version
Using Mailman version 2.0.13

Sorely confused.

Thanks,
	Dave.




On 25 Sep 2002, Jon Carnes wrote:

> In the same directory their is an app to check the configuration of a
> list.  You can run that to see if your list's configuration file is
> corrupt, but it may be something simplier... have you checked in the
> ~mailman/locks/..  directory?  Delete any old locks (or new locks if
> your not running anything).
> 
> Jon
> On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 14:37, Dave Magill wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I've run check+perms and it has no complaints, but mailman crashes on
> > every request. I have no idea about python, so can someone point me in the
> > right direction? What is going on here?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 	Dave.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 (25006) Delivery exception:
> > Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 (25006) Traceback (most recent call last):
> >   File "/home/apache/sites/mailman//Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line
> > 82, in do_pipeline
> >     func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
> >   File "/home/apache/sites/mailman//Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line
> > 77, in process
> >     mlist.Lock()
> >   File "/home/apache/sites/mailman//Mailman/MailList.py", line 1339, in
> > Lock
> >     self.__lock.lock(timeout)
> >   File "/home/apache/sites/mailman//Mailman/LockFile.py", line 266, in
> > lock
> >     raise AlreadyLockedError
> > AlreadyLockedError
> > 
> > Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006): Traceback (most recent call last):
> > Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):   File
> > "/home/apache/sites/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
> > Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):      kids = main(lock)
> > Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):   File
> > "/home/apache/sites/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 264, in main
> > Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):      mlist.Save()
> > Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):   File
> > "/home/apache/sites/mailman//Mailman/MailList.py", line 861, in Save
> > Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):      self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
> > Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):   File
> > "/home/apache/sites/mailman//Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 256, in
> > CheckHTMLArchiveDir
> > Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):      makelink(privdir, pubdir)
> > Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):   File
> > "/home/apache/sites/mailman//Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 42, in
> > makelink
> > Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006):      os.symlink(old, new)
> > Sep 25 19:14:01 2002 qrunner(25006): OSError :  [Errno 2] No such file or
> > directory
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 





From mailman at tux.org  Thu Sep 26 20:46:53 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:46:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Name Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <20020926104802.5485ae13.raquel@thericehouse.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209261431110.29589-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Raquel Rice wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:16:28 -0400
> "Dave Warchol" <Warchol at harthosp.org> wrote:
>
> > In testing, I ran into some issues using a special
> > character (apostrophe) in the list name, this was in
> > an earlier post.  Any guidelines to follow when
> > specifying the list name?
>
> Pretty much, a legal filename in *nix.  (alphabetic characters,
> numeric characters, underscore "_" and, dash "-")

Alphanumerics, underscore and dash is a great suggestion, and is
what I use myself, but "a legal filename in *nix" is not such a
great suggestion.  At least in the *nixes that I have dealt with
(Solaris, HPUX, and Linux), filenames can contain fun things like
space, tab, "!", "@", "$", "&", "*", parenthesis, braces, bracket,
angle-brackets, "|", control characters ... lots of stuff.  (Those
who doubt it, please see below for a small sample.)  Some of these
are even legal in e-mail addresses, but "alphanumerics, underscore
and dash" are certainly the most common and least controversial
characters for e-mail addresses and the other places Mailman list
names show up.

- Andrew

  ----------------------------------------------------------------
  Mailman Administrator   -   http://www.tux.org/mailman/listinfo/

actual ls output:

$ ls -l a*
-rw-r--r--   1 ajw01s   staff          4 Sep 26 14:37 a b
-rw-r--r--   1 ajw01s   staff          4 Sep 26 14:37 a!b
-rw-r--r--   1 ajw01s   staff          4 Sep 26 14:38 a"b
-rw-r--r--   1 ajw01s   staff          4 Sep 26 14:39 a$b
-rw-r--r--   1 ajw01s   staff          4 Sep 26 14:39 a&b
-rw-r--r--   1 ajw01s   staff          4 Sep 26 14:38 a'b
-rw-r--r--   1 ajw01s   staff          4 Sep 26 14:37 a*b
-rw-r--r--   1 ajw01s   staff          4 Sep 26 14:38 a<b
-rw-r--r--   1 ajw01s   staff          4 Sep 26 14:37 a at b
-rw-r--r--   1 ajw01s   staff          4 Sep 26 14:38 a]b
-rw-r--r--   1 ajw01s   staff          4 Sep 26 14:37 a`b
-rw-r--r--   1 ajw01s   staff          4 Sep 26 14:38 a{b
-rw-r--r--   1 ajw01s   staff          4 Sep 26 14:40 a|b




From raquel at thericehouse.net  Thu Sep 26 20:59:10 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:59:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Name Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209261431110.29589-100000@gwyn.tux.org>
References: <20020926104802.5485ae13.raquel@thericehouse.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.30.0209261431110.29589-100000@gwyn.tux.org>
Message-ID: <20020926115910.7cf50479.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:46:53 -0400 (EDT)
<mailman at tux.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Raquel Rice wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:16:28 -0400
> > "Dave Warchol" <Warchol at harthosp.org> wrote:
> >
> > > In testing, I ran into some issues using a special
> > > character (apostrophe) in the list name, this was in
> > > an earlier post.  Any guidelines to follow when
> > > specifying the list name?
> >
> > Pretty much, a legal filename in *nix.  (alphabetic characters,
> > numeric characters, underscore "_" and, dash "-")
> 
> Alphanumerics, underscore and dash is a great suggestion, and is
> what I use myself, but "a legal filename in *nix" is not such a
> great suggestion.  At least in the *nixes that I have dealt with
> (Solaris, HPUX, and Linux), filenames can contain fun things like
> space, tab, "!", "@", "$", "&", "*", parenthesis, braces, bracket,
> angle-brackets, "|", control characters ... lots of stuff.  (Those
> who doubt it, please see below for a small sample.)  Some of these
> are even legal in e-mail addresses, but "alphanumerics, underscore
> and dash" are certainly the most common and least controversial
> characters for e-mail addresses and the other places Mailman list
> names show up.
> 
> - Andrew

I stand corrected on the "legal filename in *nix".

--
Raquel
============================================================
Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own
hearts.
  --Albert Einstein




From h.goebel at goebel-consult.de  Thu Sep 26 21:13:02 2002
From: h.goebel at goebel-consult.de (Hartmut Goebel)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:13:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Seperate CGI from Mailman
Message-ID: <20020926191303.952A221209D@lenashee.goebel-consult.de>

Hello,

since I don't have a 24-hour connection for my mail-server, I want to put 
some CGIs on the webserver to give users some frontend for subscribing, 
etc. Access to the Archive is not necessary (and can't work, I know).

So the requests should be filled in a CGI form in the webserver and mailed 
to the mailserver.

Are there already some tools for this purpose? I know there are many :-) 
But I would prever one tailered to Mailman and perhaps written in Python. 
Or may I even use the CGIs coming with Mailman?

Regards
+++hartmut
-- 
| Hartmut Goebel       | h.goebel at goebel-consult.de   // |
| Software Manufactur  |                            \X/  |



From warrenw at xmission.com  Thu Sep 26 22:18:26 2002
From: warrenw at xmission.com (Warren Woodward)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:18:26 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Base URL Corrupted
Message-ID: <20020926141826.A16612@xmission.com>

(second post, this time with the proper reply-to)


Forgive me for bringing up what must be an old and common error, but I'll
be damned if I can find any source for help.  One of our users managed to
change the base URL of his list to an invalid path, and has of course
broken everything.  The help files say simply that this must be fixed at
the server command line by the administrator, but how I do this has
utterly slipped past my perception.

If someone could point me to an appropriate README of FAQ, I'd be humbly
appreciative.  This is driving me nuts.

-- 
warren woodward
XMission DSL
Domo/Mailman
warrenw at xmission.com
(801) 303-0819
(877) XMISSION








From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Sep 26 22:59:28 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 26 Sep 2002 16:59:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Base URL Corrupted
In-Reply-To: <20020926141826.A16612@xmission.com>
References: <20020926141826.A16612@xmission.com>
Message-ID: <1033073969.5247.74.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

The simplest solution is to go to the list config files
(~mailman/lists/<listname>/..) and:
  mv config.db bak.config.db
  cp config.db.last config.db

Presto change-o the list will work again.


On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 16:18, Warren Woodward wrote:
> (second post, this time with the proper reply-to)
> 
> 
> Forgive me for bringing up what must be an old and common error, but I'll
> be damned if I can find any source for help.  One of our users managed to
> change the base URL of his list to an invalid path, and has of course
> broken everything.  The help files say simply that this must be fixed at
> the server command line by the administrator, but how I do this has
> utterly slipped past my perception.
> 
> If someone could point me to an appropriate README of FAQ, I'd be humbly
> appreciative.  This is driving me nuts.
> 
> -- 
> warren woodward
> XMission DSL
> Domo/Mailman
> warrenw at xmission.com
> (801) 303-0819
> (877) XMISSION
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/





From akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU  Fri Sep 27 01:04:02 2002
From: akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Akop Pogosian)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:04:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to reject all messages from non-list members?
Message-ID: <20020926230402.GA42210@csua.berkeley.edu>

One of our list managers is asking if it is possible to setup a list
so that messages from people who are not subscribed are automatically
rejected without having to reject them manually. I looked around and I
couldn't find any relevant options in the mailman (we're running
2.0.9). Is there a way to do this in the newer versions?



-akop



From rogerhc at pacbell.net  Fri Sep 27 02:38:57 2002
From: rogerhc at pacbell.net (Roger Chrisman)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:38:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] apachectl configtest.. Syntax error: Group takes one argument,
 Effective group id for this server
Message-ID: <0H3200GC1N63J4@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net>

Hi,

I'm configuring Mailman for my first time (I installed v. 2.0.8 from my SuSE 
8 Pro CD) and I have a problem with the Group setting in httpd.conf. I ran 
"apachectl configtest" and got the following Syntax error:

	P3a: # apachectl configtest
	Syntax error on line 403 of /etc/httpd/httpd.conf:
	Group takes one argument, Effective group id for this server
	P3a: #

In the the bellow Mailman INSTALL doc I read:

	 "By default, the value is the the list `www www-data
	  nobody'."


(Mailman doc snip, from /usr/share/doc/packages/mailman/INSTALL):

      --with-cgi-gid=<group-or-groups>
            Specify an alternative group for running scripts via the
            CGI wrapper.  <group-or-groups> can be a list of one or
            more integer group ids or symbolic group names.  The first
            value in the list that resolves to an existing group is
    >>      used.  By default, the value is the the list `www www-data
            nobody'.

            The proper value for this is dependent on your web server
            configuration.  You must get this right, because the group
            id is compiled into the CGI wrapper program for added
            security, and no Mailman CGI scripts will run if this is
            incorrect.

            If you're using Apache, check the values for the `Group'
            option in your httpd.conf file.


so I edited my /etc/httpd/httpd.conf (here's a snip):

	User wwwrun
	#
	#Group originally was:  
	# Group nogroup
	#
	#Per Mailman INSTALL doc I, roger, changed Group to:
	Group www www-data nobody nogroup

but then got the above Syntax error when I ran "apachectl configtest" (and 
apache wont restart).

When I edit Group back to "Group nogroup" in httpd.conf apache is happy 
again. But is that correct for Mailman?

What should I have for "Group" in httpd.conf to make Mailman happy?

What do you use there?

I'm as green as grass but I've got moxy.

Thanks!

Roger
San Francisco



From rogerhc at pacbell.net  Fri Sep 27 03:04:56 2002
From: rogerhc at pacbell.net (Roger Chrisman)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:04:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on a shared server???
In-Reply-To: <007b01c2656e$4d6dbac0$9704a8c0@iknowkungfu>
References: <200209261226.43708.j.wards@sportnetwork.net>
 <007b01c2656e$4d6dbac0$9704a8c0@iknowkungfu>
Message-ID: <0H3200GXAODIK7@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net>

On Thursday 26 September 2002 08:06, you wrote:
> Hello Mailman Users,
> I've been a member of the list for about a week now and have not seen
> anyone post this question:
>
> Can Mailman run on one of Alabanza's shared servers?

Eric,

I don't know about Alabanza, but Dreamhost.com offers free Mailman lists with 
all their Web hosting accounts and accounts start at US$9.95/month. Have not 
tried them because I am trying to set up Mailman to serve lists from my home 
server over my DSL connection. I have never even set up an MTA before though 
(I am trying Postfix). So if I cannot hit the golf ball I will try Dreamhost.

I think your answer is you need root access to install Mailman because you 
need to be able to creat a Mailman group and user. If your Web host has 
Mailman set up for you or is willing to set it up for you, then you can do 
it. If they wont do it, switch hosts. (Someone say so if I'm wrong.)

Roger
- I'm green as grass; got moxy -



From pahud at ezplay.tv  Fri Sep 27 04:39:32 2002
From: pahud at ezplay.tv (Patrick Hsieh)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:39:32 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] force plain text format mail
Message-ID: <20020927103406.B854.PAHUD@ezplay.tv>

Hello list,

Is there any way to configure mailman to convert HTML mail to plain text
format before delivery? If not, is there any patch available?


-- 
Patrick Hsieh <pahud at ezplay.tv>

GPG public key http://pahud.net/pubkeys/pahudatezplay.gpg




From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Fri Sep 27 04:50:53 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:50:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: force plain text format mail
In-Reply-To: <20020927103406.B854.PAHUD@ezplay.tv>
References: <20020927103406.B854.PAHUD@ezplay.tv>
Message-ID: <20020927025053.GB2510@hq.newdream.net>

Patrick Hsieh wrote:
> 
> Is there any way to configure mailman to convert HTML mail to plain text
> format before delivery? If not, is there any patch available?

See the FAQ.

Either use the beta version or pipe mail through demime or stripmime
first.

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From j.wards at sportnetwork.net  Fri Sep 27 12:20:47 2002
From: j.wards at sportnetwork.net (John Wards)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:20:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why.......
Message-ID: <200209271120.47289.j.wards@sportnetwork.net>

I had a nice working mailing list system......

My boss askes can we get a nice web interface for new lists and mass 
subscription be opt-in not as it was opt-out....

I installed 2.1 beta

Now I can't get it to work!

I am using FreeBSD and qmail.

I have got it to install and set up my cron jobs got mailmanctl running.

I set my admin password with bin/mmsitepass

Go to the web interface to set up a list called John and fill in all my 
details. Put in my mmsitepass password at the bottom.

BUT I get the error
Error: You are not authorizied to creat new mailing lists

Arrrgh............

Please help.....

John



From pahud at ezplay.tv  Fri Sep 27 12:25:21 2002
From: pahud at ezplay.tv (Patrick Hsieh)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:25:21 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to customize subscription success welcome message?
Message-ID: <20020927182310.0334.PAHUD@ezplay.tv>

Hello all,

I've read the FAQ and can't find any idea about this.


-- 
Patrick Hsieh <pahud at ezplay.tv>

GPG public key http://pahud.net/pubkeys/pahudatezplay.gpg




From mailman-users at spambox.dk  Fri Sep 27 12:58:40 2002
From: mailman-users at spambox.dk (Henrik Larsson)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:58:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug when confirm string is wrong
Message-ID: <018301c26614$d7159490$3e4ef9c3@nwt.dk>

Recive a bug error message when a user is using a wrong confirm string.
Should't mailman just give information that the string is wrong instead of
crashing...

Is this a known bug?

-- cut
Sep 26 18:22:02 2002 admin(78587):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(78587): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1b3 -----]
admin(78587): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(78587): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(78587):   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 82, in
run_main
admin(78587):     main()
admin(78587):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 141,
in main
admin(78587):     heldmsg_prompt(mlist, doc, cookie, *content[1:])
admin(78587):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 614,
in heldmsg_prompt
admin(78587):     ign, sender, msgsubject, givenreason, ign, ign =
mlist.GetRecord(id)
admin(78587):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 164, in
GetRecord
admin(78587):     type, data = self.__db[id]
admin(78587): KeyError: 1
admin(78587): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(78587): sys.version     =   2.2.1c2 (#1, Apr  6 2002, 15:15:42)
[GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (release) [FreeBSD]]
admin(78587): sys.executable  =   /usr/local/bin/python
admin(78587): sys.prefix      =   /usr/local
admin(78587): sys.exec_prefix =   /usr/local
admin(78587): sys.path        =   /usr/local
admin(78587): sys.platform    =   freebsd4
admin(78587): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(78587):   PYTHONPATH: /usr/local/mailman
admin(78587):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.10
OpenSSL/0.9.6a PHP/4.2.3
admin(78587):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/confirm
admin(78587):   SERVER_ADMIN: admin at bogus.com
admin(78587):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/confirm
admin(78587):   SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.26 Server at
listserv.dk Port 80</ADDRESS>
admin(78587):
admin(78587):   REQUEST_METHOD: GET
admin(78587):   HTTP_HOST: listserv.dk
admin(78587):   PATH_INFO:
/hestelogen/fb6f50af1fc11cbbe85942a14a8a863a7b2096cd
admin(78587):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(78587):   QUERY_STRING:
admin(78587):   REQUEST_URI:
/mailman/confirm/hestelogen/fb6f50af1fc11cbbe85942a14a8a863a7b2096cd
admin(78587):   HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel,
application/msword, */*
admin(78587):   PATH_TRANSLATED:
/home/hoise/www/www.listserv.dk/hestelogen/fb6f50af1fc11cbbe85942a14a8a863a7
b2096cd
admin(78587):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows
NT 5.0; T312461)
admin(78587):   HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(78587):   SERVER_NAME: listserv.dk
admin(78587):   REMOTE_ADDR: 195.24.1.195
admin(78587):   REMOTE_PORT: 1953
admin(78587):   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en,da;q=0.5
admin(78587):   SERVER_ADDR: 192.168.1.3
admin(78587):   SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(78587):   GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(78587):   HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate
admin(78587):   UNIQUE_ID: PZM0KMCoAQMAAAFUU5g
admin(78587):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /home/hoise/www/www.listserv.dk
-- cut

Best regards Henrik




From glaplanche at jouve.fr  Fri Sep 27 14:24:47 2002
From: glaplanche at jouve.fr (Ganael LAPLANCHE)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:24:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What happens...
Message-ID: <033a01c26620$de3f1d20$a73ca8c0@john>

... if you have a list called "test" and you make test at youdomain.com
subscribe to the list ?
The first message posted to the list would make the mail server explode ! :)

Gan.




From j.wards at sportnetwork.net  Fri Sep 27 15:23:59 2002
From: j.wards at sportnetwork.net (John Wards)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:23:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why.......
In-Reply-To: <200209271120.47289.j.wards@sportnetwork.net>
References: <200209271120.47289.j.wards@sportnetwork.net>
Message-ID: <200209271423.59413.j.wards@sportnetwork.net>

Ah well a proper re-install deleting all test lists and all mentions of 
mailman user and begining again seems to have fixed it!

The beta seems much much more powerful and has a load of things I was going to 
have to do my self.

How stable is it? Looks fine to me.

Cheers
John

On Friday 27 Sep 2002 11:20 am, John Wards wrote:
> I had a nice working mailing list system......
>
> My boss askes can we get a nice web interface for new lists and mass
> subscription be opt-in not as it was opt-out....
>
> I installed 2.1 beta
>
> Now I can't get it to work!
>
> I am using FreeBSD and qmail.
>
> I have got it to install and set up my cron jobs got mailmanctl running.
>
> I set my admin password with bin/mmsitepass
>
> Go to the web interface to set up a list called John and fill in all my
> details. Put in my mmsitepass password at the bottom.
>
> BUT I get the error
> Error: You are not authorizied to creat new mailing lists
>
> Arrrgh............
>
> Please help.....
>
> John
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From mailman at tux.org  Fri Sep 27 15:45:38 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:45:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] apachectl configtest.. Syntax error: Group takes
 one argument, Effective group id for this server
In-Reply-To: <0H3200GC1N63J4@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209270934080.14069-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Roger Chrisman wrote:

> (Mailman doc snip, from /usr/share/doc/packages/mailman/INSTALL):
>
>   --with-cgi-gid=<group-or-groups>
>         Specify an alternative group for running scripts via the
>         CGI wrapper.  <group-or-groups> can be a list of one or
>         more integer group ids or symbolic group names.  The first
>         value in the list that resolves to an existing group is
>   >>    used.  By default, the value is the the list `www www-data
>         nobody'.

Note that the "--with-cgi-gid" option will accept a -list- of groups,
but only -one- of them ends up being used.  Which one?  "The first
value in the list that resolves to an existing group is used." (That
sentence starts two lines above your ">>" in the above snip.)  Do not
confuse what "--with-cgi-gid" accepts as an argument with what your
web server will accept as an argument for "Group".

> What should I have for "Group" in httpd.conf to make Mailman happy?

I think you are looking down the wrong end of the telescope.  Edit
httpd.conf to make your web server happy; supply the correct argument
to "--with-cgi-gid" to make Mailman happy.  What will make Mailman
happy?  That which matches your web server configuration.

- Andrew

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  Mailman Administrator   -   http://www.tux.org/mailman/listinfo/




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Sep 27 16:04:11 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 27 Sep 2002 10:04:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Base URL Corrupted
In-Reply-To: <20020926153148.A21705@xmission.com>
References: <20020926141826.A16612@xmission.com>
	<1033073969.5247.74.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> 
	<20020926153148.A21705@xmission.com>
Message-ID: <1033135456.5339.7.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Fear not!  The next easiest way to fix this is by using
~mailman/bin/config_list:

You can dump out the configuration of the list and then edit the
Web-base.  Next, dump the edit configuration back into the list!

  ~mailman/bin/config_list -o goober.txt <listname>
  vi goober.txt
     web_page_url = "http://bogus address that needs editing"
  ~mailman/bin/config_list -i goober.txt <listname>

===

Good Luck - Jon Carnes


On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 17:31, Warren Woodward wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 04:59:28PM -0400, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > The simplest solution is to go to the list config files
> > (~mailman/lists/<listname>/..) and:
> >
> >   mv config.db bak.config.db
> >   cp config.db.last config.db
> > 
> > Presto change-o the list will work again.
> > 
> > 
> 
> Naturally, he failed to alert me to the error until a couple of days after 
> the damage had been done and the .last already reflects the incorrect URL, 
> too.  Any other options outside deleting and recreating the list?
> 
> Thanks for the quick reply
> 
> 
> warren woodward





From anyamiretsky at bbg.org  Fri Sep 27 17:30:26 2002
From: anyamiretsky at bbg.org (Miretsky, Anya)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:30:26 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe without Confirmation - Please HELP!
Message-ID: <951DC0D57185D311B88B00A0C9E9258DDEE54B@MIDNIGHT>

How do I subscribe a user through the email interface with approval? 

I don't want subscribers  to receive confirmations or as an administrator
have to get emails that I have to approve each subscriber.

I am looking for something like this in the subject line: Approve subscribe
password address = subscribersemail

The above doesn't work, does anyone know if something like this can be done
in mailman?


Anya Miretsky
Computer Technology Dept.
Brooklyn Botanic Garden
1000 Washington Avenue
Brooklyn, NY  11225

(718)623-7265
anyamiretsky at bbg.org 



From Sergei.Genchev at garmin.com  Fri Sep 27 20:21:28 2002
From: Sergei.Genchev at garmin.com (Genchev, Sergei)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:21:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce notification after single bounce?
Message-ID: <6899B5417148F34AA929F2950FEFB3FD0FEF75@dallas.garmin.com>

 Hi,

 I have a question about invalid mail address notifications:

 We are creating our mailman lists on the fly from the database of our
dealers, based on the type of dealer, their geographical location, etc.
These lists only exist for a single mailing, so list admin is never notified
when e-mail address bounces. We would really like to identify invalid E-mail
addresses in our database.
 I have tried to set minimum_post_count_before_bounce_action to "0" and "1"
to no avail :-(

 Any suggestions?

 Thanks a lot,

 Sergei Genchev
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From mailman at tux.org  Fri Sep 27 20:43:48 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:43:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce notification after single bounce?
In-Reply-To: <6899B5417148F34AA929F2950FEFB3FD0FEF75@dallas.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209271439180.18022-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, Genchev, Sergei wrote:

> We would really like to identify invalid E-mail
>
> Any suggestions?

Check Mailman's "bounce" log (e.g., ~/mailman/logs/bounce).  It should
contain log lines about addresses for which Mailman detected a problem,
even if Mailman did not (yet) get around to sending an admin notice,
etc.

- Andrew

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  Mailman Administrator   -   http://www.tux.org/mailman/listinfo/




From lmark at cires.colorado.edu  Fri Sep 27 23:18:19 2002
From: lmark at cires.colorado.edu (Mark Lohaus)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:18:19 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digests mess up attachments
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020927150419.02d448a8@cires.colorado.edu>

HI,

Mailman works great but we are having a problem: When users select digests 
and some of the email have attachments, the attachments get garbled (you 
see an ASCII mess with no icons allowing you to open the attachment).  Some 
of the attachment types are Powerpoint, PDF and Word.

When digests are not selected then the individual email come though 
fine.  Is there any way to avoid this problem?

Mark

Mark Lohaus
Webmaster
Center for Science and Technology Policy Research
1333 Grandview, 488 UCB
Boulder, CO  80309-0488
303-735-0493




From chil at titan.kyndig.com  Sat Sep 28 00:01:26 2002
From: chil at titan.kyndig.com (chil at titan.kyndig.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:01:26 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'import site' vs. qrunner
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209271641340.9282-100000@titan.kyndig.com>

Greetings,

I've had some waves pop up during my installation of mailman, concerning 
the invocation of python with -S when calling qrunner. Here's the main 
info concerning the problem:

OS: RedHat 7.2 i386
Python: python2-2.1.1-2
Mailman: mailman 2.0.13 (installed from source)

I installed mailman following instructions in INSTALL, and set up a test 
list (devel-news) for which everything seems to work except for archiving. 
Messages get added to archives/private/devel-news.mbox/devel-news.mbox 
just fine, but the pipermail archives (archives/private/devel-news/) are 
ignored altogether, with nothing being generated.

Checking logs/error, I see this:

Sep 27 17:05:01 2002 qrunner(1912): Traceback (most recent call last):
Sep 27 17:05:01 2002 qrunner(1912):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 219, in ArchiveMail
Sep 27 17:05:01 2002 qrunner(1912):     import HyperArch
Sep 27 17:05:01 2002 qrunner(1912):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 47, in ?
Sep 27 17:05:01 2002 qrunner(1912):     from Mailman import EncWord
Sep 27 17:05:01 2002 qrunner(1912):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/EncWord.py", line 21, in ?
Sep 27 17:05:01 2002 qrunner(1912):     import base64
Sep 27 17:05:01 2002 qrunner(1912):   File "/tmp/32444-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.1/base64.py", line 7, in ?
Sep 27 17:05:01 2002 qrunner(1912):     import binascii
Sep 27 17:05:01 2002 qrunner(1912): ImportError: No module named binascii
Sep 27 17:05:01 2002 (1912) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: devel-news

However, binascii is available in the python lib directory, under the site 
packages:

[root at devel /]# ls -l /usr/lib/python2.1/site-packages/binascii*
-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root        57103 Aug 13  2001 /usr/lib/python2.1/site-packages/binascii.so

After poking about, I noticed that qrunner is called with python -S 
(don't imply 'import site' on initialization, according to the manpages) 
from the default crontab.in:

* * * * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner

Removing the -S allowed the binascii module to be found, and now mail is 
archived happily with no problems. Is there any particular reason why site 
packages were disabled? Is this change "safe"? 

-- 
Bobby Bailey    | "The only source of knowledge is experience."
MUD Developer   | -- Albert Einstein
Internet Junkie | PGP Keys: http://chil.kyndig.com/pgp
http://www.kyndig.com/ -- Mud & Online Text Game Community




From mailman at tux.org  Sat Sep 28 05:33:27 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:33:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to customize subscription success
 welcome message?
In-Reply-To: <20020927182310.0334.PAHUD@ezplay.tv>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209272328520.9768-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, Patrick Hsieh wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I've read the FAQ and can't find any idea about this.

(assuming v2.0.x; the same or very similar will certainly apply to
v2.1 as well)

How about "List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome
message"?  This is in the admin interface, under "General Options"
(i.e., the first page), the 6th item down from the top.

- Andrew

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  Mailman Administrator   -   http://www.tux.org/mailman/listinfo/




From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Sep 28 07:30:46 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 22:30:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digests mess up attachments 
In-Reply-To: Message from Mark Lohaus <lmark@cires.colorado.edu> 
   of "Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:18:19 MDT." <5.1.0.14.0.20020927150419.02d448a8@cires.colorado.edu> 
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020927150419.02d448a8@cires.colorado.edu> 
Message-ID: <12949.1033191046@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:18:19 -0600 
Mark Lohaus <lmark at cires.colorado.edu> wrote:

> When digests are not selected then the individual email come though
> fine.  Is there any way to avoid this problem?

MIME digests.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From adrianjames.lester at soton.uni.ntl.com  Sun Sep 29 12:37:23 2002
From: adrianjames.lester at soton.uni.ntl.com (Adrian James Lester)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 11:37:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing host name
Message-ID: <20020929103453.E71A41006D@mystery.defttech.co.uk>

Firstly, hello all.

I am using Mailman 2.0.11.

Is there a way to disable the "preferred host name" entirely as part of the 
list addresses? Our subdomains are not registered on the internet and so I 
need e-mail to come to and go from:

	list at domain.com

rather than:
	
	list at host.domain.com

if it is ever to get beyond our intranet.

If I set the "preferred host name" blank then the address turns into:
	list at .domain.com
which isn't very helpful.

Many thanks in advance,

Adrian Lester.



From adrianjames.lester at soton.uni.ntl.com  Sun Sep 29 14:04:34 2002
From: adrianjames.lester at soton.uni.ntl.com (Adrian James Lester)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 13:04:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing host name
Message-ID: <20020929120204.826A41006D@mystery.defttech.co.uk>

Aha! I see my problem. I was following the method of the default setting 
which I found there and just putting the hostname part of 
list at hostname.domain.co.uk into that box. Having put in domain.co.uk 
everything is fine.

Thanks,

Adrian.



From atlas at seatv.com  Thu Sep 26 03:00:31 2002
From: atlas at seatv.com (Atlas)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:00:31 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] does not send emails
Message-ID: <005301c264f8$21ead3e0$acbfaecf@seatv.com>

List no longer sends emails, but archive is updated.  Need help.

using latest version and I am getting the following error in /var/log/mailman/smtp

Sep 25 19:00:03 2002 (11605) All recipients refused: host not found
Sep 25 19:00:03 2002 (11605) All recipients refused: host not found
Sep 25 19:00:03 2002 (11605) smtp for 18 recips, completed in 0.011 seconds
Sep 25 19:01:00 2002 (11619) All recipients refused: host not found
Sep 25 19:01:00 2002 (11619) All recipients refused: host not found
Sep 25 19:01:00 2002 (11619) smtp for 18 recips, completed in 0.012 seconds
Sep 25 19:02:00 2002 (11623) All recipients refused: host not found
Sep 25 19:02:00 2002 (11623) All recipients refused: host not found
Sep 25 19:02:00 2002 (11623) smtp for 18 recips, completed in 0.011 seconds    

and in smtp-failure
Sep 25 19:03:01 2002 (11663) -1 xxxx at somthing.com (ignore)
Sep 25 19:03:01 2002 (11663) -1 xxx (ignore)
Sep 25 19:03:01 2002 (11663) -1xxxx (ignore)
Sep 25 19:03:01 2002 (11663) -1 xxxxx (ignore)
Sep 25 19:03:01 2002 (11663) -1 xxxxx (ignore)
Sep 25 19:03:01 2002 (11663) -1 xxxxxx(ignore)
Sep 25 19:03:01 2002 (11663) -1 xxxxxx (ignore)                

and in post 

     Sep 25 19:04:01 2002 (11667) post to moonwalkers from xxxx at xxxx, size=906,18 failures
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From Beachfrontads at aol.com  Thu Sep 26 03:14:31 2002
From: Beachfrontads at aol.com (Beachfrontads at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:14:31 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my administration login?
Message-ID: <4f.241c1293.2ac3b977@aol.com>

I paid someone to install Mailman for me in March of this year.  Everything 
has been fine til now.  I'm getting this error message when I try to login to 
the administrative page:

Mailman CGI error!!!

The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set by 
the Web server.The most likely cause is that Mailman was configured and 
installed incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL instructions again, paying 
close attention to the --with-cgi-gid configure option. This entry is being 
stored in your syslog: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid -1.  
(Reconfigure to take -1?)
----------------------------------------

I have not changed the script.  What happened and how can I fix it?  I have 
no knowledge of scripts.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Julie
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From brian at reichholf.at  Thu Sep 26 19:16:57 2002
From: brian at reichholf.at (Brian Reichholf)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:16:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & Mailman (yet again)
Message-ID: <004601c26580$8597e9e0$200114ac@melethril>

right, i'm having some problems with qmail and mailman

i've set up mailman, and it seems to work fine.
i log in to the administrative interface, and subscribe some users
(mail-addresses) and it sends out the information with out a problem (if i
want it to)

well, now comes my problem though:
i've created the alias files (/var/mailman is the home dir, and info is the
listname) in /var/qmail/alias (yes, that is the alias homedir)

.qmail-info
|preline /var/mailman/mail/wrapper post info

.qmail-info-admin
|preline /var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner info

.qmail-info-request
|preline /var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd info

.qmail-info-owner
info-admin

but if i send a mail to info at mydomain.com then it won't forward them

furthermore my mm_cfg.py contains:
SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
SMTPPORT = 25
MTA_ALIASES_STYLE = 'qmail'

what am i doing wrong?
help would be greatly appreciated!!

regards,
-Brian Reichholf




From scratch at xmission.com  Thu Sep 26 22:15:29 2002
From: scratch at xmission.com (Warren Woodward)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:15:29 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Base URL corrupted
Message-ID: <20020926141529.A15745@xmission.com>

Forgive me for bringing up what must be an old and common error, but I'll
be damned if I can find any source for help.  One of our users managed to
change the base URL of his list to an invalid path, and has of course
broken everything.  The help files say simply that this must be fixed at
the server command line by the administrator, but how I do this has
utterly slipped past my perception.

If someone could point me to an appropriate README of FAQ, I'd be humbly 
appreciative.  This is driving me nuts. 

 -- 
warren woodward
XMission DSL
Domo/Mailman
warrenw at xmission.com
(801) 303-0819
(877) XMISSION








From Elisha.Wong at anu.edu.au  Fri Sep 27 05:31:18 2002
From: Elisha.Wong at anu.edu.au (Elisha Wong)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:31:18 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] members of a list
Message-ID: <6EBCA2135886B74E9B13FDDD6A926FF6FF54E5@CASEVS01.cas.anu.edu.au>

Hello
Just wonder if I get a text file of all the members of a list
I could not find any options in the web interface
thanks
Elisha

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
Elisha Wong
Support Officer
Systems and Desktop Services
Division of Information
Australian National University

Canberra  ACT 0200  Australia
Ph: +61 2 6125 6615
Fax: +61 2 6125 0449
Mobile 0401 027 711
Email: elisha.wong at anu.edu.au



From showker at graphic-design.com  Fri Sep 27 13:02:19 2002
From: showker at graphic-design.com (Fred Showker)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:02:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ## Mailman Questions for "FAQ"
Message-ID: <p05100300b9b9e4999a25@[204.111.24.196]>

Greetings

QUESTIONS FOR MAILMAN

#1 Sudden deluge of SPAM hitting the list

   Under the "Security" section of the ADMIN it says:

   "... See "forbidden"

   However I cannot find "forbidden" anywhere on any of the
   help pages or any of the other pages. Also searched the
   documentation and the word doesn't occur there either.

   Will those 'frequent' spammers be blocked if I add their
   domains to the block screen?

   How do I block them without getting a notice?

        Hold posts with header value matching a specified regexp.
            Allows you to filter out known addresses or domains that function
            primarily as spam providers.

   I do not want to "HOLD" those posts, I want them blocked and
   deleted without being notified.

#2 Sudden deluge of "bounces" or "undeliverables"

   The list has been operating fine for months using this set
   of subscribers. Suddenly, yesterday, I get 160 "undeliverables"
   from known good addresses. Some of them also actually got
   posted. Today I get 7 more pages of bounces.

#3 Bouncing Non-Subscribers

   I would rather "DISCARD" and delete all posts from non-subscribers
   and NOT get any notice of any kind.
   The option doesn't seem to be available. How do I do that?

#4 When are duplicates deleted?

   If I get duplicate addresses, are they deleted immediately?

#5 Remote "Unsubscribe"

   Is there a better way to "UNSUBSCRIBE" people using an email?

   It is rediculously tedious to remove people (who post a "Remove Me"
   to the list) by going to the member management page. 
   If you've got a list of 50,000 subscribers, you have to first
   load all the initial page, then try to find the page where the
   address is located, then find that person to UNSUBSCRIBE them.

As a side note: the interface is better than most other listservers
however your comments on the "help" buttons are usually no help.
They usually just repeat what was said on the main page. Many
times they are cryptic, or phrased in such a way that it is
unclear what option to actually pick.

thanks for the help. The program seems to work okay.

Thanks for reading

Fred Showker

Admin: The Design Cafe List:
http://ellington.nmailer.com/mailman/listinfo/cafe







From martymac at martymac.com  Fri Sep 27 14:20:05 2002
From: martymac at martymac.com (Ganael LAPLANCHE)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:20:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What happens...
Message-ID: <030501c26620$36735570$a73ca8c0@john>

... if you have a list called "test" and you make test at youdomain.com
subscribe to the list ?
The first message posted to the list would make the mail server explode ! :)

Gan.




From anyamiretsky at bbg.org  Fri Sep 27 17:26:32 2002
From: anyamiretsky at bbg.org (Miretsky, Anya)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:26:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe without Confirmation - Please HELP!
Message-ID: <951DC0D57185D311B88B00A0C9E9258DDEE549@MIDNIGHT>

How do I subscribe a user through the email interface with approval? 

I don't want subscribers  to receive confirmations or as an administrator
have to get emails that I have to approve each subscriber.

I am looking for something like this in the subject line:
Approve subscribe password address = subscribersemail

The above doesn't work, does anyone know if something like this can be done
in mailman?

Anya Miretsky
Computer Technology Dept.
Brooklyn Botanic Garden
1000 Washington Avenue
Brooklyn, NY  11225

(718)623-7265
anyamiretsky at bbg.org 



From Jeff.Friedman at OCIOFC.USDA.GOV  Sat Sep 28 01:20:10 2002
From: Jeff.Friedman at OCIOFC.USDA.GOV (Friedman, Jeff)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:20:10 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors installing mailman-2.0.13 / Python-2.2.1 / Solaris 8
Message-ID: <77918ED0E1A8E24A931D7B50683C6CEF01AC76@fcmail.ociofc.usda.gov>

 ./configure returns errors installing mailman-2.0.13 with Python-2.2.1
under the Solaris 8 operating environment, Ultra 5.

The initial errors I encounter were with the UID and group ID checking.
I fixed these by following the advice from the post below: 
Re: [Mailman-Users] Solaris install problem

================================
"David Sammons <sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx> writes: DS> 
You have a module "pwd" in python2.../Modules/Setup which it's commented,
just uncomment that and
re-compile python and if it's necessary MM too... 

But the odd this is that with Python 2.2.1, it should auto-detect and
automatically build the pwd module, without hacking Setup. If id doesn't do
that, then there's a problem with the Python build process, but I didn't see
that when I built it on SourceForge's compile farm. -Barry"
==================================

Now the script runs until this point: 

checking for mail wrapper GID... 60001
checking for CGI wrapper GID... 60001
checking for CGI extensions... no
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "conftest.py", line 2, in ?
    from socket import *
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ?
    from _socket import *
ImportError: No module named _socket
> pwd

Anyone have an idea how to edit the /Python-2.2.1/Modules/Setup file, or
should I look for another combination of source codes?

Thank you,

-Jeff Friedman
jfriedman at ndwcorp.com 


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From james.becker at gamerzcity.co.uk  Sat Sep 28 13:20:31 2002
From: james.becker at gamerzcity.co.uk (James Becker)
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 12:20:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest Help
Message-ID: <002b01c266e1$13f1e590$d0906bd5@dell8100>

Hello,

I am using your mailman software to distribute my website newsletter, I have a written a front page to the command that allows for subscribe and unsubscribe however my newsletter is in HTML format and when subscribing I would like it to default to "not" plain subscription as default, is there a command switch that I can append to the subscribe command to do this? Or do I have to fire off another email with the switch commands in?

Any help would be great!

Thanks
James Becker
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From julien.touche at lycos.com  Sat Sep 28 17:52:33 2002
From: julien.touche at lycos.com (julien Touche)
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 17:52:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on openbsd 3.1-stable
Message-ID: <3D95D041.90701@lycos.com>

Hi

i'm trying to install mailman from the openbsd ports (with 
mailman-2.0.12 pkg,
ports build, or build from 2.0.13 src.
In each case, no problem for building but in web cgi-bin
python 2.1 is installed (same with 2.2 pkg) and i've followed 
README.OpenBSD, but i have in
apache error_log:

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
[----- Mailman Version: 2.0.13 -----]
[----- Traceback ------]
Traceback (most recent call last):
    File "/usr/local/mailman-2.0.13/scripts/driver", line 66, in run_main
      from Mailman.Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger
    File "/usr/local/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py",
line 18, in ?
      import time
ImportError: No module named time
[----- Python Information -----]
sys.version    = 2.1.2 (#1, Apr 12 2002, 18:58:54)
[GCC 2.95.3 20010125 (prerelease)]
sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python
sys.prefix     = /usr/local
sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local
sys.path       = /usr/local
sys.platform   = openbsd3
[----- Environment Variables -----]
          DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/htdocs
          SERVER_ADDR: 192.168.2.2
          HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate, compress;q=0.9
          SERVER_PORT: 80
          REMOTE_ADDR: 192.168.2.11
          SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache
          HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us, en;q=0.91, fr;q=0.83,
fr-fr;q=0.74, zh;q=0.66, zh-cn;q=0.58, ko;q=0.49, ja;q=0.41, zh-hk;q=0.38
          GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
          SERVER_NAME: netclust
          HTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive
          HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0;
en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826
          HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: ISO-8859-1, utf-8;q=0.66, *;q=0.66
          HTTP_ACCEPT:
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jp1
          REQUEST_URI: /intranet/mailman/listinfo
          HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL: max-age=0
          QUERY_STRING:
          SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
          HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE: 300
          HTTP_HOST: netclust
          REQUEST_METHOD: GET
          SERVER_SIGNATURE:
          SCRIPT_NAME: /intranet/mailman/listinfo
          SERVER_ADMIN: root at netclust
          SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/local/mailman-2.0.13/cgi-bin/listinfo
          PYTHONPATH: /usr/local/mailman-2.0.13
          REMOTE_PORT: 3049

the problem seems to be in import time
when i try it in command-line

$python -v
...
Python 2.1.2 (#1, Apr 12 2002, 18:58:54)
...
  >>> import time
dlopen("/usr/local/lib/python2.1/lib-dynload/timemodule.so", 1);
import time # dynamically loaded from
/usr/local/lib/python2.1/lib-dynload/timemodule.so

so it's ok

i've check google and mailman mailing-list. some people have asked for
the problem but nowhere is a response ...

So have you an idea ?


thanks in advance
Regards

		Julien Touche






From wolf at wolfstream.net  Sun Sep 29 17:21:50 2002
From: wolf at wolfstream.net (Tom Whiting)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 11:21:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What happened to my administration login?
In-Reply-To: <4f.241c1293.2ac3b977@aol.com>
References: <4f.241c1293.2ac3b977@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200209291121.50069.wolf@wolfstream.net>

Hello, julie

This error tells you exactly how configure mailman to work correctly. 
Apparently you've changed something in the server, and now mailman doesn't 
like the setup.

In this case, it looks liek your apache gid got lost in the shuffle somehow. 
Have you tried restarting http? Have you installed any software into your 
system that would change users/groups?

Most importantly, have you used mailman since it was installed, and verified 
that it was actually working, and if you did, how long ago did it quit?




On Wednesday 25 September 2002 09:14 pm, Beachfrontads at aol.com wrote:
> I paid someone to install Mailman for me in March of this year.  Everything
> has been fine til now.  I'm getting this error message when I try to login
> to the administrative page:
>
> Mailman CGI error!!!
>
> The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set by
> the Web server.The most likely cause is that Mailman was configured and
> installed incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL instructions again, paying
> close attention to the --with-cgi-gid configure option. This entry is being
> stored in your syslog: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid -1.
> (Reconfigure to take -1?)
> ----------------------------------------
>
> I have not changed the script.  What happened and how can I fix it?  I have
> no knowledge of scripts.
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
> Julie




From wolf at wolfstream.net  Sun Sep 29 17:23:09 2002
From: wolf at wolfstream.net (Tom Whiting)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 11:23:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & Mailman (yet again)
In-Reply-To: <004601c26580$8597e9e0$200114ac@melethril>
References: <004601c26580$8597e9e0$200114ac@melethril>
Message-ID: <200209291123.09292.wolf@wolfstream.net>

Hello, Brian,
Check to make sure that your host is allowed to forward (read the instructions 
on setting up mailman with qmail). Chances are this is your problem

On Thursday 26 September 2002 01:16 pm, Brian Reichholf wrote:
> right, i'm having some problems with qmail and mailman
>
> i've set up mailman, and it seems to work fine.
> i log in to the administrative interface, and subscribe some users
> (mail-addresses) and it sends out the information with out a problem (if i
> want it to)
>
> well, now comes my problem though:
> i've created the alias files (/var/mailman is the home dir, and info is the
> listname) in /var/qmail/alias (yes, that is the alias homedir)
>
> .qmail-info
>
> |preline /var/mailman/mail/wrapper post info
>
> .qmail-info-admin
>
> |preline /var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner info
>
> .qmail-info-request
>
> |preline /var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd info
>
> .qmail-info-owner
> info-admin
>
> but if i send a mail to info at mydomain.com then it won't forward them
>
> furthermore my mm_cfg.py contains:
> SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
> SMTPPORT = 25
> MTA_ALIASES_STYLE = 'qmail'
>
> what am i doing wrong?
> help would be greatly appreciated!!
>
> regards,
> -Brian Reichholf
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Sun Sep 29 23:09:38 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 14:09:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: members of a list
In-Reply-To: <6EBCA2135886B74E9B13FDDD6A926FF6FF54E5@CASEVS01.cas.anu.edu.au>
References: <6EBCA2135886B74E9B13FDDD6A926FF6FF54E5@CASEVS01.cas.anu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20020929210938.GM4211@hq.newdream.net>

Elisha Wong wrote:

> Just wonder if I get a text file of all the members of a list
> I could not find any options in the web interface

$mailman_base/bin/list_members

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From brossow at mac.com  Mon Sep 30 02:23:59 2002
From: brossow at mac.com (Brent Rossow)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 19:23:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM & Mac OS X ?
Message-ID: <B9BD03CF.5C48%brossow@mac.com>

I searched the archives for the past several months and found very little
mention of anyone running Mailman on Mac OS X.  Back in January, when I was
setting up a new mail server for our agency, I went with Mac OS X 10.1 for
the plain old SMTP/POP needs, but I also needed a listserv package.  At the
time, I tried unsuccessfully to get Mailman set up but had no luck in the
timeframe I was allotted.  Instead, I've been running Majordomo pretty
successfully since then, using Webmin for my various list administrators to
do their thing.

I'm now in a position to re-evaluate our listserv options as I'm planning to
step up to Mac OS X Server 10.2 (Jaguar) in the next month or two (probably
implementing over the Thanksgiving break.)  I like the features it includes
and it integrates perfectly with our all-Mac network.  I'd like to take
another look at Mailman, but this time I'm not too proud to ask for help.

Long story short, I'm running Mac OSXS 10.2 on a development machine.  I
spent the better part of this afternoon trying to get it configured.  I've
got the developer tools installed, of course, and followed the MM directions
to the absolute letter.  I've created the mailman user and group as
directed.  I created the mailman directory with proper permissions.
Everything looked good when I did config and 'make install' but when I use
the check_perms script (after creating a test list) I get the following:


directory permissions must be at least 02775:
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/test.mbox
directory permissions must be at least 02775:
/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/test.mbox
directory permissions must be at least 02775: /usr/local/mailman/lists/test
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/check_perms", line 281, in ?
    checkmail()
  File "bin/check_perms", line 202, in checkmail
    mode = statmode(wrapper)
  File "bin/check_perms", line 74, in statmode
    return os.stat(path)[ST_MODE]
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper'


The first three lines I understand the problem, although I don't know why MM
didn't set the permissions properly when I created the list.  I have no idea
what the rest is saying.  I know the last line is looking for the file in
question, which apparently wasn't created during the install process.  The
'wrapper' file is simply missing -- why, I have no idea.  I should note here
that aside from the first three lines, I got exactly the same error
immediately after running the make and before any lists were created.  I
reinstalled MM from scratch twice with identical results.  Using the -f flag
didn't fix anything, nor did running the entire install and post-test
process as root (and I know that's discouraged; I was trying everything I
could think of to get it to work.)

If anyone has successfully installed MM on Mac OS X, I'd love to get some
pointers.  Majordomo is working adequately, but I'd like my listserv package
to be more than just "adequate."  Any help is greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Brent




From innocence_wasted at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 30 02:47:11 2002
From: innocence_wasted at hotmail.com (Sparklez Grrl)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 17:47:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailto link?
Message-ID: <OE52Xok84FTA7OIkUqL00007a7c@hotmail.com>

Norm. StatHi!

I was wondering if there was a way for me to .. make a mailto link to a request_to_join at domainname.com (for example).. that goes directly to the mailman database and submits them as a subscriber and don't have to go to the general list info page? Thanks..

Luvz, Hugz k Friendship 
Jackie..Y 

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From ptatters at zerobyzero.ca  Mon Sep 30 06:35:06 2002
From: ptatters at zerobyzero.ca (Peter Tattersall)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:35:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM & Mac OS X ?
In-Reply-To: <B9BD03CF.5C48%brossow@mac.com>
Message-ID: <FE5D6FA5-D42D-11D6-AC9D-0003931C4CFA@zerobyzero.ca>

How helpful this is remains to be seen, but I have been running mailman 
with qmail under OS X for a couple of months now. I installed under 
10.1 first, using fink to install python, and installing qmail 
essentially from scratch. After I installed qmail I did a fair amount 
of testing to ensure that qmail was accepting and delivering mail 
properly. This is running on my home system, but my daughters' systems 
are networked via a router, and the whole network is accessing the net 
through an ADSL connection with static IP and my own domain name. I 
didn't install mailman until I had mail working properly for everyone 
and was sure that there were no open relays.

I installed 2.0.12 first, then upgraded almost immediately to 2.0.13. I 
had a couple of problems with permissions, so I reconfigured with 
various options set. All of this was still under 10.1. After the 
upgrade to 10.2 I had no obvious problems - everything worked - but 
when I checked the system log I found I was getting a lot of complaints 
about pre-binding on python. I haven't worked out what's going on 
there. It's not that the message doesn't make sense, but that it is 
intermittent. If I reboot, sometimes the pre-binding message goes away. 
I haven't spent much time on it, and won't as long as the system 
operates properly. Eventually fink will catch up with 10.2 or I'll 
rebuild with the system's version of python - but not today.

My needs are light. On a busy day I might get ten incoming messages and 
direct them to a couple of hundred address. I've had one glitch so far, 
but it was a qmail freeze which resulted from the trigger file being 
left in an odd state after I killed the system one night while playing 
with some early software. I should know better than to run version 0.01 
of anything....  I reset the perms on the trigger and rebooted, and 
eventually qmail came out of its trance. Mailman itslef has been solid. 
I was running LetterRip under OS 9, and my users really appreciate the 
web interface and archiving which mailman provides.

Bottom line is, mailman can run under 10.2 but since I haven't tried to 
install directly I doubt I can help with your problem, though I'm 
willing to try. I just hope this is encouraging enough that you 
persevere.

What are you using for mail service?

On Sunday, September 29, 2002, at 08:23  PM, Brent Rossow wrote:

> I searched the archives for the past several months and found very 
> little
> mention of anyone running Mailman on Mac OS X.  Back in January, when 
> I was
> setting up a new mail server for our agency, I went with Mac OS X 10.1 
> for
> the plain old SMTP/POP needs, but I also needed a listserv package.  
> At the
> time, I tried unsuccessfully to get Mailman set up but had no luck in 
> the
> timeframe I was allotted.  Instead, I've been running Majordomo pretty
> successfully since then, using Webmin for my various list 
> administrators to
> do their thing.
>
> I'm now in a position to re-evaluate our listserv options as I'm 
> planning to
> step up to Mac OS X Server 10.2 (Jaguar) in the next month or two 
> (probably
> implementing over the Thanksgiving break.)  I like the features it 
> includes
> and it integrates perfectly with our all-Mac network.  I'd like to take
> another look at Mailman, but this time I'm not too proud to ask for 
> help.
>
> Long story short, I'm running Mac OSXS 10.2 on a development machine.  
> I
> spent the better part of this afternoon trying to get it configured.  
> I've
> got the developer tools installed, of course, and followed the MM 
> directions
> to the absolute letter.  I've created the mailman user and group as
> directed.  I created the mailman directory with proper permissions.
> Everything looked good when I did config and 'make install' but when I 
> use
> the check_perms script (after creating a test list) I get the 
> following:
>
>
> directory permissions must be at least 02775:
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/test.mbox
> directory permissions must be at least 02775:
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/test.mbox
> directory permissions must be at least 02775: 
> /usr/local/mailman/lists/test
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "bin/check_perms", line 281, in ?
>     checkmail()
>   File "bin/check_perms", line 202, in checkmail
>     mode = statmode(wrapper)
>   File "bin/check_perms", line 74, in statmode
>     return os.stat(path)[ST_MODE]
> OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
> '/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper'
>
>
> The first three lines I understand the problem, although I don't know 
> why MM
> didn't set the permissions properly when I created the list.  I have 
> no idea
> what the rest is saying.  I know the last line is looking for the file 
> in
> question, which apparently wasn't created during the install process.  
> The
> 'wrapper' file is simply missing -- why, I have no idea.  I should 
> note here
> that aside from the first three lines, I got exactly the same error
> immediately after running the make and before any lists were created.  
> I
> reinstalled MM from scratch twice with identical results.  Using the 
> -f flag
> didn't fix anything, nor did running the entire install and post-test
> process as root (and I know that's discouraged; I was trying 
> everything I
> could think of to get it to work.)
>
> If anyone has successfully installed MM on Mac OS X, I'd love to get 
> some
> pointers.  Majordomo is working adequately, but I'd like my listserv 
> package
> to be more than just "adequate."  Any help is greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
> Brent
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>




From greg at gregwestin.com  Mon Sep 30 06:53:40 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:53:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM & Mac OS X ?
In-Reply-To: <B9BD03CF.5C48%brossow@mac.com>
Message-ID: <966C5F5A-D430-11D6-8CFF-003065C03184@gregwestin.com>

The only real stumbling block I found to setting up Mailman with 
Postfix on OS X client was making sure to run the install as the 
mailman user.  I don't know anything about OS X Server's configuration, 
nor about using Mailman with sendmail or qmail or anything.  I am going 
to sit down with a clean system this week, though, and figure out just 
what you need to do to install Mailman properly on OS X (Client), and I 
will be posting the instructions online.  I will post the link to this 
mailing list when I finish.

Greg

On Sunday, September 29, 2002, at 08:23  PM, Brent Rossow wrote:

> I searched the archives for the past several months and found very 
> little
> mention of anyone running Mailman on Mac OS X.
> [...]
> Long story short, I'm running Mac OSXS 10.2 on a development machine.
> [...]
> If anyone has successfully installed MM on Mac OS X, I'd love to get 
> some
> pointers.  Majordomo is working adequately, but I'd like my listserv 
> package
> to be more than just "adequate."  Any help is greatly appreciated!

--
greg at gregwestin.com
http://www.gregwestin.com
Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php




From thetraveller at canada.com  Mon Sep 30 10:21:40 2002
From: thetraveller at canada.com (The Traveller)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 04:21:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stats
Message-ID: <B9BD81D4.72B4%thetraveller@canada.com>

Hi:

I have installed mailman on FreeBSD.

I wish to be able to view stats on the lists that are set up. The
information that I wish to receive is the number of subscribers on each
list, the number of messages sent, size of message(s) sent.

It would be nice if this info was available thru a web interface on a daily
basis with a running total for the month. At the end of each month a new
summary page would be created and the old one archived. A less attractive
option would be to have this info emailed every day.

Is this possible?

Thanks,

Iain




From danny at terweij.nl  Mon Sep 30 10:29:55 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:29:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stats
References: <B9BD81D4.72B4%thetraveller@canada.com>
Message-ID: <00b501c2685b$8e35fa50$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>

From: "The Traveller" <thetraveller at canada.com>

> Hi:
> I wish to be able to view stats on the lists that are set up. The
> information that I wish to receive is the number of subscribers on each
> list, the number of messages sent, size of message(s) sent.
> It would be nice if this info was available thru a web interface on a
daily
> basis with a running total for the month. At the end of each month a new
> summary page would be created and the old one archived. A less attractive
> option would be to have this info emailed every day.

> Is this possible?

Yes, write a shell script and run it with a cron job.
If you look at the archives of this list you can find many examples.

Danny Terweij.





From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Mon Sep 30 10:44:40 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:44:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] confirm problems with beta mailman?
Message-ID: <20020930084440.GA32262@hq.newdream.net>

The first time I tried the email confirm / reject function of mailman
2.1b3 it worked, but since then, it isn't working.

I can provide more information, logs or headers if necessary. Saw one
weird bit in the error log, but from about 20 minutes before I first
tried to discard the message via email.

                             *********

original message (some headers removed):
From: a6-request at code404.com
Subject: confirm 8a73a2be104ba0be21f1516299b4d8f3d00b4483
    
If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact,
Mailman will discard the held message.  Do this if the message is
spam.  If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header
with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting
to the list.  The Approved: header can also appear in the first line
of the body of the reply.

                             *********
My reply:
From: XXXXXX at code404 dot com (Will Yardley)
To: a6-request at code404.com
Subject: Re: confirm 8a73a2be104ba0be21f1516299b4d8f3d00b4483
Message-ID: <20020930083209.GB9762 at roland.code404.com>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline
User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i
Status: RO
Content-Length: 443
Lines: 11


                             *********
And the response:

From: a6-bounces at code404.com
To: XXXXXX at code404 dot com
Subject: The results of your email commands
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:32:10 -0700
Message-ID: <mailman.98.1033374730.56720.a6 at code404.com>
[....other headers and junk snipped]
- Results:
    Invalid confirmation string.  Note that confirmation strings expire
approximately 3 days after the initial subscription request.  If your
confirmation has expired, please try to re-submit your original request
or message.

Checked, and the message is still pending. Sent the "confirmation" well
within 3 days.

BTW, why not have the message itself sent with the confirmation string
rather than as a third rfc822 attachment? Seems like people with brain
damaged MTAs would have an easier time responding to those.

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From j.wards at sportnetwork.net  Mon Sep 30 10:45:33 2002
From: j.wards at sportnetwork.net (John Wards)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:45:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ## Mailman Questions for "FAQ"
In-Reply-To: <p05100300b9b9e4999a25@[204.111.24.196]>
References: <p05100300b9b9e4999a25@[204.111.24.196]>
Message-ID: <200209300945.33376.j.wards@sportnetwork.net>

On Friday 27 Sep 2002 12:02 pm, Fred Showker wrote:
> Greetings
>
> QUESTIONS FOR MAILMAN
>
> #1 Sudden deluge of SPAM hitting the list
>
>    Under the "Security" section of the ADMIN it says:
>
>    "... See "forbidden"
>
>    However I cannot find "forbidden" anywhere on any of the
>    help pages or any of the other pages. Also searched the
>    documentation and the word doesn't occur there either.
>
>    Will those 'frequent' spammers be blocked if I add their
>    domains to the block screen?
>
>    How do I block them without getting a notice?
>
>         Hold posts with header value matching a specified regexp.
>             Allows you to filter out known addresses or domains that
> function primarily as spam providers.
>
>    I do not want to "HOLD" those posts, I want them blocked and
>    deleted without being notified.
>
> #2 Sudden deluge of "bounces" or "undeliverables"
>
>    The list has been operating fine for months using this set
>    of subscribers. Suddenly, yesterday, I get 160 "undeliverables"
>    from known good addresses. Some of them also actually got
>    posted. Today I get 7 more pages of bounces.

The beta version of Mailman is much more prowerfull I would upgrade. I have 
had no problems with it so far.

>
> #3 Bouncing Non-Subscribers
>
>    I would rather "DISCARD" and delete all posts from non-subscribers
>    and NOT get any notice of any kind.
>    The option doesn't seem to be available. How do I do that?

Again the beat version of Mailman has this

>
> #4 When are duplicates deleted?
>
>    If I get duplicate addresses, are they deleted immediately?
>

Dunno that one.....

> #5 Remote "Unsubscribe"
>
>    Is there a better way to "UNSUBSCRIBE" people using an email?
>
>    It is rediculously tedious to remove people (who post a "Remove Me"
>    to the list) by going to the member management page.
>    If you've got a list of 50,000 subscribers, you have to first
>    load all the initial page, then try to find the page where the
>    address is located, then find that person to UNSUBSCRIBE them.
>
The users send an email to yourlist-requests at list.yourserver.com with the 
commaand

 unsubscribe [password] [address=<address>]
 in the body. I am sure this is not just the beta version.

Send an email to the smae address with the command 

help

In the body for a list of commands

> As a side note: the interface is better than most other listservers
> however your comments on the "help" buttons are usually no help.
> They usually just repeat what was said on the main page. Many
> times they are cryptic, or phrased in such a way that it is
> unclear what option to actually pick.
>

Yes I find this too...

John



From Elrond at BostonComputing.net  Mon Sep 30 11:30:49 2002
From: Elrond at BostonComputing.net (Rajib A. Momen)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:30:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan Beta with CPanel
Message-ID: <F869AAD2B7FC344C8ED7FBF74BCE5B2F90DF@boston.bostoncomputing.net>

Hey fellas,
 
Little question. The program CPanel, which is a web host manager comes
bundled with the 2.0.13 version of MailMan. I was curious how I might
upgrade my MailMan version to the new beta. There are some features in
the beta that I very much need, and if it is simple enough to do, I
would like to do it. Does anyone else run CPanel and know how to
implement the beta version? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in
advance!
 
Best regards,
Rajib Momen
 
President
Boston Computing Network
http://www.bostoncomputing.net <http://www.bostoncomputing.net/> 
 
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From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk  Mon Sep 30 13:38:58 2002
From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:38:58 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virus Scanning
Message-ID: <013e01c26875$fb30d8e0$1401a8c0@jmc.netcafe>

I am currently very pissed off. Okay, so it doesn't show via email, but I
have just lost my virtual domains due to exxess mail messages being sent to
people's mail boxes. Don't worry, this is NOT the fault of mail man. But the
fault of some bastard virus, which is on some, maybe even all of my
machines. I have no idea how, but about 150 emails got sent to my mailing
list... which has in excess of 100k members, and is supposed to be used for
occasional, and I mean OCCASIONAL mailouts.... so you can imagine how pissed
people where when they got 'mailbombed'. Apart from being extremly
embarrased, I'd like to protect my network from this type of embarrasment,
the virus came as an email attachemnt, which slipped through the local virus
scanners, and it takes just one idiot, that's right ONE, to release mayham
on the world. I have no idea how many copies of the virus was sent out, but
it had to be a LOT. What I would like to do, is to kill them at the source
or distribution, ie, sendmail. How can I add virus protection to my email
gateway, to stop them getting in, AND out?


***
Not everyone is touched by an Angel......
and those that are, never forget the experience.
***





From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Mon Sep 30 15:49:43 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 30 Sep 2002 15:49:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie - Approval without Web Interface
In-Reply-To: "Flavio"'s message of "Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:28:42 -0300"
References: <NGBBKMCJFJOOJIELKIMDAEGHCIAA.flavio@gral.com.br>
Message-ID: <m3fzvr7fk8.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

"Flavio" <flavio at gral.com.br> writes:

> There is a way to approve or reject a message using e-mail message?

Not in v 2.0.xx


Please send no Cc. I answer only via the list.
Detlef Neubauer
-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.




From kachel at muenster.de  Mon Sep 30 17:11:15 2002
From: kachel at muenster.de (Markus Kachel)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:11:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virus Scanning
In-Reply-To: <013e01c26875$fb30d8e0$1401a8c0@jmc.netcafe>
References: <013e01c26875$fb30d8e0$1401a8c0@jmc.netcafe>
Message-ID: <177987730.20020930171115@muenster.de>

Hello Angel,

On Monday, September 30, 2002, You wrote to subject: [Mailman-Users] Virus Scanning

> or distribution, ie, sendmail. How can I add virus protection to my email
> gateway, to stop them getting in, AND out?

You should try Amavis, if you are running linux. I'm using it myself
with the Kaspersky antivirus and it is working fine here. Amavis is a
free plugin which uses the sendmail milter and can use many virus
scanners. Take a look at the amavis homepage:
http://www.amavis.org

Bye
Markus

-- 
E-Mail:   kachel at muenster.de
Homepage: http://www.kachelonline.de




From wolf at wolfstream.net  Mon Sep 30 16:31:46 2002
From: wolf at wolfstream.net (Tom Whiting)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:31:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virus Scanning
In-Reply-To: <177987730.20020930171115@muenster.de>
References: <013e01c26875$fb30d8e0$1401a8c0@jmc.netcafe> <177987730.20020930171115@muenster.de>
Message-ID: <200209301031.46760.wolf@wolfstream.net>

Even better, check out Antivir, no "filter" needed, Antivir handles everything 
and anything. Yeah, you've got to license it, but, personal licenses are 
free,and completely renewable. This is simply their way of handling outdated 
software I'm sure.
The addy: http://www.antivir.de (yeah they've got the page in english, you 
just have to look a li'l for it).
On Monday 30 September 2002 11:11 am, Markus Kachel wrote:
> Hello Angel,
>
> On Monday, September 30, 2002, You wrote to subject: [Mailman-Users] Virus
> Scanning
>
> > or distribution, ie, sendmail. How can I add virus protection to my email
> > gateway, to stop them getting in, AND out?
>
> You should try Amavis, if you are running linux. I'm using it myself
> with the Kaspersky antivirus and it is working fine here. Amavis is a
> free plugin which uses the sendmail milter and can use many virus
> scanners. Take a look at the amavis homepage:
> http://www.amavis.org
>
> Bye
> Markus




From fingers at fingers.co.za  Mon Sep 30 17:38:28 2002
From: fingers at fingers.co.za (fingers)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:38:28 +0200 (SAST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems after bungled re-installs with daily admindb reminders
Message-ID: <20020930173457.K32062-100000@snow.fingers.co.za>

hi there

i bungled an already working installation of mailman trying to install 2.x

everything is now working. except for 1 thing:

every day at the time specified in my cron, I get the:

1 <listname> admin request(s) waiting

mail for every single list I have running. I've trolled the directory
tree, but can't find anything obviously wrong.

the eventual process to re-install was:

nuke /path/to/mailman

install 2.x in /path/to/mailman

copy the archives and lists, from the backup, to the new installation.

I've tried doing a "submit all data" on the blank pages where mailman
seems to think there's a request waiting, to no avail.

any suggestions or pointers to somewhere to rtfm for this specifically
would be appreciated.

thanks

--Rob




From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Sep 30 18:41:36 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:41:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virus Scanning 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Angel Gabriel" <badmangabriel@lycos.co.uk> 
   of "Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:38:58 BST." <013e01c26875$fb30d8e0$1401a8c0@jmc.netcafe> 
References: <013e01c26875$fb30d8e0$1401a8c0@jmc.netcafe> 
Message-ID: <11652.1033404096@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:38:58 +0100 
Angel Gabriel <badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk> wrote:

> What I would like to do, is to kill them at the source or
> distribution, ie, sendmail. How can I add virus protection to my email
> gateway, to stop them getting in, AND out?

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py 

Then examine your MTA documentation (note: the outbound side is
considerably easier under Exim).

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Mon Sep 30 19:10:25 2002
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:10:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nomail control?
Message-ID: <003e01c268a4$44a22f00$0b7a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.or.us>

A couple of my lists keep coming up half the subscribers set as 'nomail'. I
know they have not all set their own to 'nomail', so I assume it was set
automatically because of some DNS problem. Is there a way to control how
many times Mailman tries to connect to send the message before setting them
to 'nomail'? Also, I thought that when a user's account was 'disabled'
(automatically set to nomail), the owner received a message indicating this.

Maybe my assumptions about what has happened are incorrect, but that is the
only way I can figure that so many have been set to 'nomail'.


Christopher Adams
Automated Systems
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243  x258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us




From raquel at thericehouse.net  Mon Sep 30 19:15:49 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:15:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nomail control?
In-Reply-To: <003e01c268a4$44a22f00$0b7a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.or.us>
References: <003e01c268a4$44a22f00$0b7a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <20020930101549.7c19f398.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:10:25 -0700
"Christopher Adams" <chris.a.adams at state.or.us> wrote:

> A couple of my lists keep coming up half the subscribers set as
> 'nomail'. I know they have not all set their own to 'nomail', so I
> assume it was set automatically because of some DNS problem. Is
> there a way to control how many times Mailman tries to connect to
> send the message before setting them to 'nomail'? Also, I thought
> that when a user's account was 'disabled'(automatically set to
> nomail), the owner received a message indicating this.
> 
> Maybe my assumptions about what has happened are incorrect, but
> that is the only way I can figure that so many have been set to
> 'nomail'.
> 
> 
> Christopher Adams

Christopher,

The current "beta" version, 2.1.b3 provides better handling of
bounced messages.  You may or may not wish to use a beta version in
your environment.  However, I've been using it for several weeks
without problems and I think there are others who have also.

--
Raquel
============================================================
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injustice?
  --Lillian Hellman




From atropos at fates.org  Mon Sep 30 19:51:30 2002
From: atropos at fates.org (David B. O'Donnell)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:51:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM & Mac OS X ?
In-Reply-To: <966C5F5A-D430-11D6-8CFF-003065C03184@gregwestin.com>
References: <966C5F5A-D430-11D6-8CFF-003065C03184@gregwestin.com>
Message-ID: <2147483647.1033393890@mrspeel.fates.org>

On Monday, 30 September 2002 00:53 -0400, Greg Westin <greg at gregwestin.com> 
wrote:

> The only real stumbling block I found to setting up Mailman with Postfix
> on OS X client was making sure to run the install as the mailman user.  I
> don't know anything about OS X Server's configuration, nor about using
> Mailman with sendmail or qmail or anything.  I am going to sit down with a
> clean system this week, though, and figure out just what you need to do to
> install Mailman properly on OS X (Client), and I will be posting the
> instructions online.  I will post the link to this mailing list when I
> finish.

I've been running MailMan under Mac OS X Server for quite a while now, using 
Postfix as the MTA. The process for running under Client is virtually the 
same. You may find the article on AFP548.com (URL: 
http://www.afp548.com/Articles/mail/python-mailman.html) to be of help, if 
you also use Postfix.

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From mailman at tux.org  Mon Sep 30 20:32:44 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:32:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nomail control?
In-Reply-To: <20020930101549.7c19f398.raquel@thericehouse.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209301427280.2554-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Raquel Rice wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:10:25 -0700
> "Christopher Adams" <chris.a.adams at state.or.us> wrote:
>
> > Is there a way to control how many times Mailman tries to
> > connect to send the message before setting them to 'nomail'?
> > Also, I thought that when a user's account was 'disabled'
> > the owner received a message indicating this.
>
> The current "beta" version, 2.1.b3 provides better handling of
> bounced messages.  You may or may not wish to use a beta version
> in your environment.  However, I've been using it for several
> weeks without problems and I think there are others who have also.

... and if you are going to stick with v2.0.x, note that Mailman's
behavior WRT bounces is configurable: see the appropriately named
"Bounce Options" section of the list administration interface.

- Andrew

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From mark at tildens.org  Mon Sep 30 19:15:23 2002
From: mark at tildens.org (Mark Tilden)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:15:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help for a new install on Linux
Message-ID: <NGBBLIDFMLAEJJBGMCKBAEGJCEAA.mark@tildens.org>

Ladies & Gents:

I'm new to this, so please forgive me if these questions are basic:

I've installed mailman on my linux box and it seems to be for the most part
working, after some tweaking. I have run into two problems that have me
stumped, however:

1. I created a test list after I installed mailman. Unfortunately, the name
of the list contains spaces. That appears to cause numerous problems,
including for some reason a problem with the administration interface cookie
not working properly. However, the most curious, is that I can't delete the
list. I've tried running the rmlist script, and it appears to work, but the
mail list persists. I've tried putting the name in quotes. Any suggestions?

2. I created a second test list with no spaces in the name. It works better.
However, whenever I send mail to the list server, I get a "loop back" bounce
message from sendmail. Here's the message:

> This is the Postfix program at host gateway.tildens.org.
>
> I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
> below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.
>
> For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>
>
> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
> delete your own text from the message returned below.
>
>			The Postfix program
>
> <markstestlist at gateway.tildens.org>: mail for gateway.tildens.org loops
back to myself

Can someone point me in a direction to fix this? What have I done wrong?

Thank you in advance!
Mark




From zoheb at mail.abainternational.org  Mon Sep 30 18:00:40 2002
From: zoheb at mail.abainternational.org (Zoheb Sait)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:00:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem getting mailman to work
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209301155470.2246-100000@mail.abainternational.org>

Hello,

I installed mailman on my server, with the all the right flags and stuff, 
however mailman is not sending out any emails, no confirmation emails and 
not sending mail to any subscribed users.
For e.g if I manually subscribe and send a message to the list, the 
message appears in the archives but none of the subscribed users recieve 
it. There is no error in the log files, and the log files also do not show 
any activity by mailman except for the mail from the subscribed 
user being sent to the wrapper (|/home/mailman../wrapper).

I am not sure what the problem is, please help!

Thanks in advance,

zoheb





From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Mon Sep 30 21:37:32 2002
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:37:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virus Scanning
References: <013e01c26875$fb30d8e0$1401a8c0@jmc.netcafe>
Message-ID: <3D98A7FC.B13D19E2@whidbey.com>

I simply put a 40,000 character limit on message size. It eliminates every virus
I'm aware of, and also blocks someone from accidentally replying to a message
and helpfully including some monster file with the answer. (I used to see that
on one list, discussing an illustration program, where one helpful person would
offer to look at the problem file and the original user would then attach an 8MB
map to the whole list.)

Virus scanners are an option, but they cost money. I run Mailman on a dedicated
machine and run Kaspersky on my main mail machine.

Van

Angel Gabriel wrote:

> I am currently very pissed off. Okay, so it doesn't show via email, but I
> have just lost my virtual domains due to exxess mail messages being sent to
> people's mail boxes. Don't worry, this is NOT the fault of mail man. But the
> fault of some bastard virus, which is on some, maybe even all of my
> machines. I have no idea how, but about 150 emails got sent to my mailing
> list... which has in excess of 100k members, and is supposed to be used for
> occasional, and I mean OCCASIONAL mailouts.... so you can imagine how pissed
> people where when they got 'mailbombed'. Apart from being extremly
> embarrased, I'd like to protect my network from this type of embarrasment,
> the virus came as an email attachemnt, which slipped through the local virus
> scanners, and it takes just one idiot, that's right ONE, to release mayham
> on the world. I have no idea how many copies of the virus was sent out, but
> it had to be a LOT. What I would like to do, is to kill them at the source
> or distribution, ie, sendmail. How can I add virus protection to my email
> gateway, to stop them getting in, AND out?
>
> ***
> Not everyone is touched by an Angel......
> and those that are, never forget the experience.
> ***
>
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From ashley at pcraft.com  Mon Sep 30 21:57:15 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:57:15 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virus Scanning
References: <013e01c26875$fb30d8e0$1401a8c0@jmc.netcafe> <3D98A7FC.B13D19E2@whidbey.com>
Message-ID: <3D98AC9B.6A7D8CD7@pcraft.com>

"G. Armour Van Horn" wrote:

> Virus scanners are an option, but they cost money.

    File::Scan is free.
    ClamAV is free.

    Updates for both are free.

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From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Mon Sep 30 21:46:20 2002
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:46:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Beta upgrade FAQ or How-To?
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0209301018430.29844-100000@pooh.ASARian.org>
Message-ID: <3D98AA0C.F8C93E38@whidbey.com>

I've decided that it's time to make the jump to the beta, and I'm wondering if anyone is maintaining
any guides for the process. I have a new list to setup, which will be my first with a virtual domain,
but I also have a dozen current lists to preserve.

I assume that this is touched on in the docs with the package, but would like to at least look at
anything else out there before I actually tackle the change.

Van

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From mailman at tux.org  Mon Sep 30 23:30:20 2002
From: mailman at tux.org (mailman at tux.org)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:30:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem getting mailman to work
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209301155470.2246-100000@mail.abainternational.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209301726380.28298-100000@gwyn.tux.org>

On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Zoheb Sait wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I installed mailman on my server, with the all the right flags and stuff,
> however mailman is not sending out any emails, no confirmation emails and
> not sending mail to any subscribed users.
> ...
> There is no error in the log files, and the log files also do not show
> any activity by mailman except for the mail from the subscribed

I am betting you forgot to set up the Mailman crontab entries.  See
the INSTALL file for details.  I am also betting that the directory
"qfiles" in your Mailman installation directory has a bunch of messages
sitting there, waiting to be delivered.  If both of my guesses are
correct, once you set up the crontab entries, all of the e-mail you
have been expecting will show up.

- Andrew

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From brian at reichholf.at  Sun Sep 29 18:31:21 2002
From: brian at reichholf.at (Brian Reichholf)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 18:31:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & Mailman (yet again)
References: <004601c26580$8597e9e0$200114ac@melethril> <200209291123.09292.wolf@wolfstream.net>
Message-ID: <007001c267d5$a636cf20$200114ac@melethril>

well, after not having gotten any reply from the list for... "too long" i
mailed somebody who had this problem too, and didn't get a reply (he posted
the problem in may 2002 i think it was)
and he guided me through it, problem was:

using tcpserv i had to allow my ip (not 127.0.0 but my "global" ip) to
relay, and as you said it is in the instructions.. but having the
instrucions more readable for others would be a great help and help a *LOT*
i think (especially the README.QMAIL can be a pain too often as it doesn't
help at all, imho)

anyway, it's fixed, and settled, after configuring it properly (with the
appropriate gid's and uid's) and entering my boxes "external" ip into
tcp.smtp it worked without a problem (owh, i almost forgot to add: don't
forget the cron entries too ofc ;-))

thanks for your reply anyway though Tom!

regards,
-Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Whiting" <wolf at wolfstream.net>
To: "Brian Reichholf" <brian at reichholf.at>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & Mailman (yet again)


Hello, Brian,
Check to make sure that your host is allowed to forward (read the
instructions
on setting up mailman with qmail). Chances are this is your problem

On Thursday 26 September 2002 01:16 pm, Brian Reichholf wrote:
> right, i'm having some problems with qmail and mailman
>
> i've set up mailman, and it seems to work fine.
> i log in to the administrative interface, and subscribe some users
> (mail-addresses) and it sends out the information with out a problem (if i
> want it to)
>
> well, now comes my problem though:
> i've created the alias files (/var/mailman is the home dir, and info is
the
> listname) in /var/qmail/alias (yes, that is the alias homedir)
>
> .qmail-info
>
> |preline /var/mailman/mail/wrapper post info
>
> .qmail-info-admin
>
> |preline /var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner info
>
> .qmail-info-request
>
> |preline /var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd info
>
> .qmail-info-owner
> info-admin
>
> but if i send a mail to info at mydomain.com then it won't forward them
>
> furthermore my mm_cfg.py contains:
> SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
> SMTPPORT = 25
> MTA_ALIASES_STYLE = 'qmail'
>
> what am i doing wrong?
> help would be greatly appreciated!!
>
> regards,
> -Brian Reichholf
>
>
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From patric at simegen.com  Sun Sep 29 20:35:23 2002
From: patric at simegen.com (Patric)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 11:35:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] catastrophic error
Message-ID: <3D96E57B.30398.1DFE20BE@localhost>

Hi folks...

Something you should be aware of...

When using rmlist to delete a list containing a LEADING whitespace 
character, and using the -a option, the entire archives directory is 
deleted.
Do that just ahead of the cron job which handles the regular 
maintenance, and you lose the list archives, the list lists, and of 
course the userbases for all of them...
Bummer.

Mailman v2.0.8
command: ./rmlist " badlist-l"

(The quotes are to enclose the whitespace so the script can find the 
list in the first place.)

Patric


AIM -> bleustar
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From mark at tildens.org  Mon Sep 30 19:11:46 2002
From: mark at tildens.org (Mark Tilden)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:11:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help for a new install on Linux
Message-ID: <NGBBLIDFMLAEJJBGMCKBEEGICEAA.mark@tildens.org>

Ladies & Gents:

I'm new to this, so please forgive me if these questions are basic:

I've installed mailman on my linux box and it seems to be for the most part
working, after some tweaking. I have run into two problems that have me
stumped, however:

1. I created a test list after I installed mailman. Unfortunately, the name
of the list contains spaces. That appears to cause numerous problems,
including for some reason a problem with the administration interface cookie
not working properly. However, the most curious, is that I can't delete the
list. I've tried running the rmlist script, and it appears to work, but the
mail list persists. I've tried putting the name in quotes. Any suggestions?

2. I created a second test list with no spaces in the name. It works better.
However, whenever I send mail to the list server, I get a "loop back" bounce
message from sendmail. Here's the message:

> This is the Postfix program at host gateway.tildens.org.
>
> I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
> below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.
>
> For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>
>
> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
> delete your own text from the message returned below.
>
>			The Postfix program
>
> <markstestlist at gateway.tildens.org>: mail for gateway.tildens.org loops
back to myself

Can someone point me in a direction to fix this? What have I done wrong?

Thank you in advance!
Mark




From bob at softpro.com  Mon Sep 30 22:18:19 2002
From: bob at softpro.com (Bob Treitman)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:18:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] batch updates to mail lists?
Message-ID: <3D98B18B.3030703@softpro.com>

Question: Can list administrators do batch replacements of
the entire mailing list membership list?

I'm considering using Mailman to distribute email newsletters
to an organization whose email addresses are stored in a
database.  For several reasons, I don't want people (un)subscribing
from Mailman; instead, I want to make sure that their email
addresses are disabled in the database, and then the list
administrator will replace the existing Mailman list with a
completely new list generated from the database in plain text
or any other format.

The reasons:

1. As people are removed from the database, I need to make sure
that their email addresses are removed from the Mailman list.
2. I need to minimize the administrative effort, and since we
need to make the changes in the database, I would rather not
duplicate the work by editing the Mailman list.

-- 
Bob Treitman       bob at softpro.com