From mailmanlist at maneuveringspeed.com  Fri Nov  1 02:53:05 2002
From: mailmanlist at maneuveringspeed.com (Greg Long)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 17:53:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Transferring mailing list to another system
Message-ID: <004901c28149$6b8095e0$6401a8c0@Endeavor>

Which files/directories do I have to copy over to the new system also
running mailman?

Thanks,

Greg



From shelly at anything4love.net  Fri Nov  1 04:32:45 2002
From: shelly at anything4love.net (Shelly)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 22:32:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
Message-ID: <001101c28157$595cff80$9b9a5342@0019973094>

Hello.......I am needing some major help with setting mine up.......Could someone email me a detailed description on how? None of what I am reading makes any sense.Thank you.
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From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Nov  1 10:38:16 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 01:38:16 -0800
Subject: OFFTOPIC Re: [Mailman-Users] Archive URL in postings (2.1b3) 
In-Reply-To: Message from John Buttery <john@io.com> 
   of "Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:35:01 CST." <20021031163501.GB12156@io.com> 
References: <20021029183820.1214B13530C@maia.ccs.neu.edu>
	<981D3F66-EB6E-11D6-A331-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>
	<20021029193308.GA25878@io.com> <21146.1035949863@kanga.nu>
	<20021031163501.GB12156@io.com> 
Message-ID: <3671.1036143496@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:35:01 -0600 
John Buttery <john at io.com> wrote:
> * J C Lawrence <claw at kanga.nu> [2002-10-29 19:51:03 -0800]:
>> John Buttery <john at io.com> wrote:

> Thinking that the address in the To: field is an address that the
> sender originally targeted directly may not be universal, but I think
> it's pretty close.  *shrug*

I find that most people (unofficial survey, extensive conversations,
total population probably >30, <100) pay that much attention to the
headers on list-related posts, and when they do, more or less consider
all the addresses in the headers to be the "intended destination"
without distinguishing which header is which.  Private email is a
>little< different in that people do seem to start to distinguish among
the headers, but not a whole lot.

>> One has a List-ID header, one doesn't.
>> 
>> One has an In-Reply-To that references my prior post, one doesn't.

> You're right about this, I hadn't fully thought things out before I
> said that.  However, it doesn't solve the problem of not knowing
> whether one of these list postings is the first of two duplicates, or
> just a normal posting.  

Err, the one without the List-ID is the direct mail and the one with is
the one via the list.

> Someone just posted something about the In-Reply-To: header that may
> or may not refute that part, but it's moot because your point stands
> on the List-ID: header alone.

<nods>

> True, and I take that statement back for the same reasons as above.
> :p And, of course, I was not encouraging people to post private emails
> on-list, which is a MASSIVE etiquette breach...I was just trying to
> point out a situation in which "information loss" would happen.

No worries.

Part of the background logic on all this is that the To: and Cc: headers
are actually meaningless.  Sure, most people don't know that, but I
would expect that the members of this list are very comfortable with the
fact that the To: and Cc: headers need have absolutely no relation to
the original or current message envelope.  As such they start out being
weak suggestions, not statements.  If you really want to know, and you
trust the Received: headers (which are themselves not totally
trustworthy, but that's another matter) look for destination envelope
comments in the Received: headers.

  Received: from mail.python.org ([12.155.117.29])
	by kanga.nu with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian))
	id 187IQu-0005ed-00
	for <claw at kanga.nu>; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:44:36 -0800

-- 
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---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
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From john at io.com  Fri Nov  1 12:18:56 2002
From: john at io.com (John Buttery)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 05:18:56 -0600
Subject: OFFTOPIC Re: [Mailman-Users] Archive URL in postings (2.1b3)
In-Reply-To: <3671.1036143496@kanga.nu>
References: <20021029183820.1214B13530C@maia.ccs.neu.edu>
	<981D3F66-EB6E-11D6-A331-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>
	<20021029193308.GA25878@io.com> <21146.1035949863@kanga.nu>
	<20021031163501.GB12156@io.com> <3671.1036143496@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <20021101111856.GC26433@io.com>

* J C Lawrence <claw at kanga.nu> [2002-11-01 01:38:16 -0800]:
> On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:35:01 -0600 John Buttery <john at io.com> wrote:
> > You're right about this, I hadn't fully thought things out before I
> > said that.  However, it doesn't solve the problem of not knowing
> > whether one of these list postings is the first of two duplicates, or
> > just a normal posting.  
> 
> Err, the one without the List-ID is the direct mail and the one with is
> the one via the list.

  Well, my point was that you would get one mailing with a List-ID:
header that you could assume was addressed to the list, but then you
wouldn't know if that was the only posting or if you should be expecting
another email, without a List-ID: header, as indicated by the presence
of your personal address in the To: field.

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From msmith at acmecorp.org  Fri Nov  1 14:48:41 2002
From: msmith at acmecorp.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 08:48:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman version 2.1b4 problem
Message-ID: <5.2.0.5.0.20021101084636.00b19808@mauler.acmecorp.org>

I got this email today after installing 2.1b4 (which does work otherwise 
normally....)

Subject: Cron <mailman at defiant> /usr/local/bin/python -S 
/home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds

Site list is missing: mailman

Any pointers?

Regards,
Mike




From danny at terweij.nl  Fri Nov  1 15:24:13 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:24:13 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman version 2.1b4 problem
References: <5.2.0.5.0.20021101084636.00b19808@mauler.acmecorp.org>
Message-ID: <028001c281b2$5a9e22b0$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>

From: "Michael Smith" <msmith at acmecorp.org>

> I got this email today after installing 2.1b4 (which does work otherwise 
> normally....)
 
> Subject: Cron <mailman at defiant> /usr/local/bin/python -S 
> /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
> 
> Site list is missing: mailman

This mains that you must create a mailinglist "mailman"

Danny.




From msmith at acmecorp.org  Fri Nov  1 15:50:38 2002
From: msmith at acmecorp.org (Michael D. Smith)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 09:50:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman version 2.1b4 problem
In-Reply-To: <028001c281b2$5a9e22b0$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
References: <5.2.0.5.0.20021101084636.00b19808@mauler.acmecorp.org>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.5.0.20021101095013.00b7de30@mail.acmecorp.org>

At 03:24 PM 11/1/2002 +0100, Danny Terweij wrote:
>From: "Michael Smith" <msmith at acmecorp.org>
>
> > I got this email today after installing 2.1b4 (which does work otherwise
> > normally....)
>
> > Subject: Cron <mailman at defiant> /usr/local/bin/python -S
> > /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
> >
> > Site list is missing: mailman
>
>This mains that you must create a mailinglist "mailman"

I don't use a mailing list named mailman though.

-MS 




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Nov  1 15:51:00 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 14:51:00 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman version 2.1b4 problem
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.5.0.20021101084636.00b19808@mauler.acmecorp.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021101144935.03d26478@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 13:48 01/11/2002, Michael Smith wrote:
>I got this email today after installing 2.1b4 (which does work otherwise 
>normally....)
>
>Subject: Cron <mailman at defiant> /usr/local/bin/python -S 
>/home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
>
>Site list is missing: mailman
>
>Any pointers?
>
>Regards,
>Mike
>

The INSTALL file in the MM 2.1b4 srouce distribution contains the following 
instruction:

<quote>
     - Create a "site-wide" mailing list.  This is the one that
       password reminders will appear to come from.  Usually this
       should be the "mailman" mailing list, but if you need to change
       this, be sure to change the MAILMAN_SITE_LIST variable in
       mm_cfg.py (see below).

           % bin/newlist mailman

       Follow the prompts, and see the README file for more
       information.
</quote>



From chk at pobox.com  Fri Nov  1 16:36:52 2002
From: chk at pobox.com (Harald Koch)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 10:36:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
 Re: personalization features (was Re: Archive URL in postings (2.1b3)) 
In-Reply-To: chuqui's message of "Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:50:16 -0800".
	 <E1D383AE-EB66-11D6-A331-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> 
References: <E1D383AE-EB66-11D6-A331-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>
Message-ID: <15235.1036165012@elisabeth.cfrq.net>

[ Sorry for jumping in late; deadlines have been causing me to ignore my
  list-mail >:]

Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Chuq Von Rospach
had to walk into mine and say:
>
> why? I'm curious. Other than it's "not what I'm used to"?

That's it in a nutshell. It violates the principle of "Least Surprise".

At least for discussion lists, we users have years (even decades) of
experience with the concept that the e-mail address of the individual
subscriber does not appear in the To: or Cc: headers. We are therefore
(understandably) surprised when this changes.

As far as I'm concerned, the filtering digression is a red herring; it's
not the real issue.

I believe that personalisation is cool. I know that there are *some*
environments where To/CC munging is a positive, not a negative;
corporate customer communication is an obvious example. I know
personalisation can be turned on and off.

*My* question is:

    Can this new To/Cc munging sub-option of personalisation be enabled
    or disabled separately from other personalisation tricks (like the
    personalised list-info URL you mentioned in the other thread)? I
    suspect that an option to do this would be the final piece to make
    everyone happy...

You also wrote:
> MLMs have a long tradition of modifying them. If you CC or BCC a 
> list, it generally rewrites itself into the to line. We've changed that 
> to CC.

I've never used one, and I don't encounter them that often in the field.
That is my personal experience, but I'm (currently) subscribed to about
150 mailing lists and I've been doing this for 18 years...

-- 
Harald Koch     <chk at pobox.com>


From august at lucidcarbon.com  Fri Nov  1 16:42:18 2002
From: august at lucidcarbon.com (August E. Brunsman IV)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 10:42:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no binaries for 2.0.13 install
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20021101144935.03d26478@pop.ftel.co.uk>
References: <5.2.0.5.0.20021101084636.00b19808@mauler.acmecorp.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20021101102910.02a321d8@birch.he.net>

So I'm trying to install 2.0.13 on a RedHat 7.2 system.

The Python programs all seem to build okay, but the ones gcc is supposed to 
make don't and gcc seems to be working okay for other things.

The prefix/mail directory is empty...

I searched the archives, found one fellow that was having a similar 
problem, he told me to go to 
http://www.dsvr.co.uk/support_documentation/E-Mail/Mailing_Lists/mailman.html

and use the instructions there.

They say to

./configure options
make
make install

instead of

./configure options
make install

They didn't yield any different results.

I've tried running this as root and as the user mailman (and switching 
these are various states along the install process).

Details below.

I would REALLY appreciate any help with this.  I'm not sure what to even 
try next.  Thanks!

I use this ./configure line...

./configure  --with-mail-gid=12 --with-cgi-gid=apache 
--with-python=/usr/bin/python2.1

I get this output

creating cache ./config.cache
checking for --with-python... /usr/bin/python2.1
checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python2.1
checking Python version... 2.1.3
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for true... /bin/true
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking whether #! works in shell scripts... yes
checking for --with-var-prefix... no
checking for --with-username... mailman
checking for mailman UID... 543
checking for --with-groupname... mailman
checking for mailman GID... 544
checking permissions on /home/mailman... okay
checking for mail wrapper GID... 12
checking for CGI wrapper GID... 48
checking for CGI extensions... no
checking for default fully qualified host name... ns1.humaniststudies.org
checking for default URL host component... ns1.humaniststudies.org
checking for strerror... yes
checking for setregid... yes
checking for syslog... yes
checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E
checking for ANSI C header files... yes
checking for syslog.h... yes
checking for uid_t in sys/types.h... yes
checking type of array argument to getgroups... gid_t
checking for vsnprintf... yes
updating cache ./config.cache
creating ./config.status
creating misc/paths.py
creating Mailman/Defaults.py
creating Mailman/mm_cfg.py.dist
creating src/Makefile
creating misc/Makefile
creating bin/Makefile
creating Mailman/Makefile
creating Mailman/Cgi/Makefile
creating Mailman/Logging/Makefile
creating Mailman/Archiver/Makefile
creating Mailman/pythonlib/Makefile
creating Mailman/Handlers/Makefile
creating Mailman/Bouncers/Makefile
creating templates/Makefile
creating cron/Makefile
creating filters/Makefile
creating scripts/Makefile
creating cron/crontab.in
creating Makefile

When I run make, I get this...

for d in bin cron filters misc Mailman scripts src templates; \
do \
     (cd $d; make); \
done
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/bin'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/bin'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/cron'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/cron'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/filters'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/filters'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/misc'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/misc'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman'
for d in Cgi Logging Archiver Handlers Bouncers pythonlib; \
do \
     (cd $d; make); \
done
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/Cgi'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/Cgi'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/Logging'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/Logging'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/Archiver'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/Archiver'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/Handlers'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/Handlers'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/Bouncers'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/Bouncers'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/pythonlib'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/pythonlib'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/scripts'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/scripts'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/src'
gcc -c -I. -DPREFIX="\"/home/mailman\"" -DPYTHON="\"/usr/bin/python2.1\"" 
-DHELPFUL -g -O2 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 
-DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t 
-DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1   ./common.c
gcc: unrecognized option `-DPREFIX="/home/mailman"'
gcc: unrecognized option `-DPYTHON="/usr/bin/python2.1"'
gcc: unrecognized option `-DHELPFUL'
gcc: unrecognized option `-DHAVE_STRERROR=1'
gcc: unrecognized option `-DHAVE_SETREGID=1'
gcc: unrecognized option `-DHAVE_SYSLOG=1'
gcc: unrecognized option `-DSTDC_HEADERS=1'
gcc: unrecognized option `-DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1'
gcc: unrecognized option `-DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t'
gcc: unrecognized option `-DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1'
In file included from ./common.c:20:
common.h:35: parse error before `GETGROUPS_T'
./common.c:26: `PREFIX' undeclared here (not in a function)
./common.c:26: parse error before string constant
./common.c:27: `PREFIX' undeclared here (not in a function)
./common.c:28: `PYTHON' undeclared here (not in a function)
./common.c:40: conflicting types for `sys_errlist'
/usr/include/stdio.h:554: previous declaration of `sys_errlist'
./common.c:44: conflicting types for `strerror'
/usr/include/string.h:229: previous declaration of `strerror'
./common.c: In function `fatal':
./common.c:65: conflicting types for `vsnprintf'
/usr/include/stdio.h:301: previous declaration of `vsnprintf'
./common.c:65: warning: extern declaration of `vsnprintf' doesn't match 
global one
./common.c: At top level:
./common.c:115: parse error before `GETGROUPS_T'
./common.c: In function `check_caller':
./common.c:117: `GETGROUPS_T' undeclared (first use in this function)
./common.c:117: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
./common.c:117: for each function it appears in.)
./common.c:117: parse error before `mygid'
./common.c:118: `parentgid' undeclared (first use in this function)
./common.c:118: `mygid' undeclared (first use in this function)
./common.c:119: `ident' undeclared (first use in this function)
make[1]: *** [common.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/src'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/templates'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/templates'

And when I run make install, I get this...

Creating architecture independent directories...
chmod o-r /home/mailman/archives/private
Creating architecture dependent directories...
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/bin'
for f in digest_arch mmsitepass newlist rmlist add_members list_members 
remove_members clone_member update arch sync_members check_db withlist 
check_perms find_member version move_list config_list list_lists dumpdb; \
do \
     /usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f /home/mailman/bin; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/bin'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/cron'
for f in checkdbs crontab.in mailpasswds senddigests gate_news nightly_gzip 
qrunner bumpdigests; \
do \
     /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/cron; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/cron'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/filters'
for f in bowa-strip; \
do \
     /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/filters; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/filters'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/misc'
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 Cookie.py /home/mailman/Mailman
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 *.jpg *.png /home/mailman/icons
for d in bin cron scripts; \
do \
     dir=/home/mailman/$d; \
     /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 paths.py $dir; \
done
/usr/bin/install -c -m 664 pending_subscriptions.db /home/mailman/data
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/misc'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman'
for f in *.py; \
do \
     /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/Mailman; \
done
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 mm_cfg.py.dist /home/mailman/Mailman
if [ ! -f /home/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py ]; \
then \
     /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 mm_cfg.py.dist 
/home/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py; \
fi
for d in Cgi Logging Archiver Handlers Bouncers pythonlib; \
do \
     (cd $d; make install); \
done
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/Cgi'
for f in *.py; \
do \
     /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi; \
         done
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/Cgi'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/Logging'
for f in *.py; \
do \
     /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging; \
done
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/Logging'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/Archiver'
for f in __init__.py Archiver.py HyperArch.py HyperDatabase.py pipermail.py; \
do \
     /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver; \
done
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/Archiver'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/Handlers'
for f in *.py; \
do \
     /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers; \
done
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/Handlers'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/Bouncers'
for f in *.py; \
do \
     /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers; \
done
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/Bouncers'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/pythonlib'
for f in *.py; \
do \
     /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib; \
done
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman/pythonlib'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/Mailman'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/scripts'
for f in answer_majordomo_mail mailcmd mailowner post driver; \
do \
     /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/scripts; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/scripts'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/src'
gcc -c -I. -DPREFIX="\"/home/mailman\"" -DPYTHON="\"/usr/bin/python2.1\"" 
-DHELPFUL -g -O2 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 
-DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t 
-DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1   ./common.c
gcc: unrecognized option `-DPREFIX="/home/mailman"'
gcc: unrecognized option `-DPYTHON="/usr/bin/python2.1"'
gcc: unrecognized option `-DHELPFUL'
gcc: unrecognized option `-DHAVE_STRERROR=1'
gcc: unrecognized option `-DHAVE_SETREGID=1'
gcc: unrecognized option `-DHAVE_SYSLOG=1'
gcc: unrecognized option `-DSTDC_HEADERS=1'
gcc: unrecognized option `-DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1'
gcc: unrecognized option `-DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t'
gcc: unrecognized option `-DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1'
In file included from ./common.c:20:
common.h:35: parse error before `GETGROUPS_T'
./common.c:26: `PREFIX' undeclared here (not in a function)
./common.c:26: parse error before string constant
./common.c:27: `PREFIX' undeclared here (not in a function)
./common.c:28: `PYTHON' undeclared here (not in a function)
./common.c:40: conflicting types for `sys_errlist'
/usr/include/stdio.h:554: previous declaration of `sys_errlist'
./common.c:44: conflicting types for `strerror'
/usr/include/string.h:229: previous declaration of `strerror'
./common.c: In function `fatal':
./common.c:65: conflicting types for `vsnprintf'
/usr/include/stdio.h:301: previous declaration of `vsnprintf'
./common.c:65: warning: extern declaration of `vsnprintf' doesn't match 
global one
./common.c: At top level:
./common.c:115: parse error before `GETGROUPS_T'
./common.c: In function `check_caller':
./common.c:117: `GETGROUPS_T' undeclared (first use in this function)
./common.c:117: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
./common.c:117: for each function it appears in.)
./common.c:117: parse error before `mygid'
./common.c:118: `parentgid' undeclared (first use in this function)
./common.c:118: `mygid' undeclared (first use in this function)
./common.c:119: `ident' undeclared (first use in this function)
make[1]: *** [common.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/src'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/templates'
for f in *.html *.txt; \
do \
     mv -f /home/mailman/templates/$f /home/mailman/templates/$f.prev || 
/bin/true; \
     /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/templates; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mailman-2.0.13/templates'
/usr/bin/python2.1 -c 'from compileall import *; 
compile_dir("/home/mailman/Mailman")'
Listing /home/mailman/Mailman ...
Listing /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Autoresponder.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py ...
Listing /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Caiwireless.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Catchall.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Compuserve.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/DSN.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Exim.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/GroupWise.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Microsoft.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Netscape.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Postfix.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Qmail.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/SMTP32.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/SimpleMatch.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Smail.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Yahoo.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/__init__.py ...
Listing /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/Auth.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/__init__.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/handle_opts.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/roster.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Crypt.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/EncWord.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Errors.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/GatewayManager.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py ...
Listing /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Acknowledge.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/AfterDelivery.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Approve.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CalcRecips.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Cleanse.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Replybot.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SpamDetect.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToArchive.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToUsenet.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/__init__.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py ...
Listing /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/MultiLogger.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Utils.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/__init__.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Version.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/__init__.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/aliases.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py ...
Listing /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/StringIO.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/__init__.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/rfc822.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/smtplib.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/tempfile.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...


Thanks again!

Be well
August



From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Nov  1 19:57:50 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 10:57:50 -0800
Subject: OFFTOPIC Re: [Mailman-Users] Archive URL in postings (2.1b3) 
In-Reply-To: Message from John Buttery <john@io.com> 
   of "Fri, 01 Nov 2002 05:18:56 CST." <20021101111856.GC26433@io.com> 
References: <20021029183820.1214B13530C@maia.ccs.neu.edu>
	<981D3F66-EB6E-11D6-A331-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>
	<20021029193308.GA25878@io.com> <21146.1035949863@kanga.nu>
	<20021031163501.GB12156@io.com> <3671.1036143496@kanga.nu>
	<20021101111856.GC26433@io.com> 
Message-ID: <11857.1036177070@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 05:18:56 -0600 
John Buttery <john at io.com> wrote:

> Well, my point was that you would get one mailing with a List-ID:
> header that you could assume was addressed to the list, but then you
> wouldn't know if that was the only posting or if you should be
> expecting another email, without a List-ID: header, as indicated by
> the presence of your personal address in the To: field.

True:

  -- In the general case the direct message would have arrived first
  (the reverse happens, if rarely).

  -- You may never have received the courtesy copy anyway -- its not
  reliable with either header form.

  -- Add just a little latency (say 20 minutes) and you can fairly
  safely assume that if you are to get both, you already have both.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From jsingh at fdu.edu  Fri Nov  1 20:04:28 2002
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:04:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail is not Forwarded
Message-ID: <00b001c281d9$809cef10$410bee84@FDUJACK>

Hey Guys
I have a similar problem described in the faqs. I have followed the
suggestions , but of no avail.
This is the problem, users are able to send the mail to the mailing
list, but no one in the mailing list is getting any email.
When I look in the maillog, it says sendmail has sent the stuff. 
I restarted sendmail with different configuration where sendmail was
listening on two ports and Delivery mode was set to defer.
Still the messages are not being sent. I can check the message though
over the net in the archives.
Thanks
Any Ideas
 
Jaskaran Singh
University Systems & Security
Fairleigh Dickinson University
Teaneck, NJ 07666
 
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From jeremyp at pobox.com  Fri Nov  1 20:57:17 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 01 Nov 2002 14:57:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail is not Forwarded
In-Reply-To: <00b001c281d9$809cef10$410bee84@FDUJACK>
References: <00b001c281d9$809cef10$410bee84@FDUJACK>
Message-ID: <1036180638.28990.4.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 14:04, jsingh wrote:
> Hey Guys
> I have a similar problem described in the faqs. I have followed the
> suggestions , but of no avail.
> This is the problem, users are able to send the mail to the mailing
> list, but no one in the mailing list is getting any email.
> When I look in the maillog, it says sendmail has sent the stuff. 
> I restarted sendmail with different configuration where sendmail was
> listening on two ports and Delivery mode was set to defer.
> Still the messages are not being sent. I can check the message though
> over the net in the archives.

Is your qrunner running?  Did you install the crontabs as specified in
the installation instructions?

--Jeremy



From jsingh at fdu.edu  Fri Nov  1 21:37:57 2002
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:37:57 -0500
Subject: FW: [Mailman-Users] Mail is not Forwarded
Message-ID: <01ac01c281e6$8fcca590$410bee84@FDUJACK>

> Yeah the qrunner is running perfectly fine, every one minute. I also 
> got a digest of five messages. But didn't send individual messages. I 
> made sure in the personal settings that I was not setup of digested 
> messages. I changed it to individual messages and sent messages out 
> but to no avail. Now when I look in the maillog it says 
> message=queued. I don't understand why.
>
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Portzer [mailto:jeremyp at pobox.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 2:57 PM
To: jsingh at fdu.edu
Cc: Mailman mailing list management users
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail is not Forwarded

On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 14:04, jsingh wrote:
> Hey Guys
> I have a similar problem described in the faqs. I have followed the
> suggestions , but of no avail.
> This is the problem, users are able to send the mail to the mailing
> list, but no one in the mailing list is getting any email.
> When I look in the maillog, it says sendmail has sent the stuff. 
> I restarted sendmail with different configuration where sendmail was
> listening on two ports and Delivery mode was set to defer.
> Still the messages are not being sent. I can check the message though
> over the net in the archives.

Is your qrunner running?  Did you install the crontabs as specified in
the installation instructions?

--Jeremy




From pareilly at tcd.ie  Fri Nov  1 22:54:43 2002
From: pareilly at tcd.ie (Paul Reilly)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:54:43 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] namespace per virtual possible?
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.43L0.0211012151520.66353-100000@web2.tcd.ie>


Hi,

I'm using Mailman 2.0.13 in a virtual domain environment.
I want to have lists with the same name but on different virtual domains.
ie: news at mydomain and news at yourdomain

Is this possible in 2.0.x ?

Is this possible in 2.1?

Thanks
Paul



From erik.myllymaki at starpointe.ca  Sat Nov  2 00:07:56 2002
From: erik.myllymaki at starpointe.ca (Erik Myllymaki)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:07:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer not appearing?
Message-ID: <032d01c281fb$8430cbc0$7721a8c0@topdown>

What could cause the msg-footer to NOT appear in regular, non-digest mail to
the list?

Using mailman-2.1b3 on Redhat7.3

Text is:

_______________________________________________
%(real_name)s mailing list
You can unsubscribe from this list at any time by sending a blank email to
%(real_name)s-unsubscribe@%(host_name)s
_______________________________________________



From ashley at pcraft.com  Sat Nov  2 05:49:25 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 21:49:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please Help out
References: <001c01c280f0$95f82850$410bee84@FDUJACK>
Message-ID: <3DC35955.FB09921F@pcraft.com>

jsingh wrote:

> ?Oct 30 18:58:18 dragon sendmail[1508]: g9UNwImp001508:
> <mytestlist at dragon.fdu.edu>... User unknown ?
>
> ?Oct 30 19:02:53 dragon sendmail[5302]: g9V02rmp005302:
> <mytestlist-admin at dragon.fdu.edu>... User unknown ?

    You forgot to add the aliases to sendmail.

--
H | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.





From jimpop at rocketship.com  Sat Nov  2 05:47:24 2002
From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:47:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] namespace per virtual possible?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.43L0.0211012151520.66353-100000@web2.tcd.ie>
Message-ID: <FMELKIGJMCKDEONBJEDGMEBOEMAA.jimpop@rocketship.com>

Yes and Yes... but it's not really a MM issue, it's a MTA issue.

-Jim P.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Reilly
> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 4:55 PM
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm using Mailman 2.0.13 in a virtual domain environment.
> I want to have lists with the same name but on different virtual domains.
> ie: news at mydomain and news at yourdomain
> 
> Is this possible in 2.0.x ?
> 
> Is this possible in 2.1?
> 
> Thanks
> Paul
> 
> 












From alex at phred.org  Sat Nov  2 06:27:25 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:27:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer not appearing?
In-Reply-To: <032d01c281fb$8430cbc0$7721a8c0@topdown>
Message-ID: <20021101212651.U669-100000@phred.org>

On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Erik Myllymaki wrote:
> What could cause the msg-footer to NOT appear in regular, non-digest mail to
> the list?

HTML or other MIME formatted email.  Mailman isn't MIME aware and tacks
the footer on beyond the end of the MIME portion of the body.  Most mail
clients won't show anything contained there.

alex



From danny at terweij.nl  Sat Nov  2 11:44:22 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:44:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman in French ?
References: <200210311231.03738.relinger@netaktiv.com>
Message-ID: <004901c2825c$ce93ccb0$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>

From: "Jerome Relinger" <relinger at netaktiv.com>

>Would you have any information on 
>translating mailman in French ?

Mailman 2.1b* has already French translations.

Danny Terweij.




From emmettc at mindpie.com  Sat Nov  2 12:56:25 2002
From: emmettc at mindpie.com (Emmett Culley)
Date: 02 Nov 2002 03:56:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Almost there!
In-Reply-To: <001c01c280f0$95f82850$410bee84@FDUJACK>
References: <001c01c280f0$95f82850$410bee84@FDUJACK>
Message-ID: <1036238186.4148.17.camel@EMMETT1>

I've successfully installed Mailman 2.1b4 and have one list working. 
I've also added the mailman list as suggested in the installation
instructions.  The mailman list partially works.  That is, you can post
to it and members get the posts.  However, I am not able to access the
mailman list via the web interface.

Entering the URL http://www.mindpie.com/mailman/admin/mailman always
take the browser to http://www.mindpie.com/mailman/listinfo.  As a
matter of fact, any URL ending in mailman (i.e.,
www.mindpie.com/mailman/admindb/mailman) does the same thing.

Where have I gone wrong?

Regards,
Emmett




From wolf at wolfstream.net  Sat Nov  2 11:58:47 2002
From: wolf at wolfstream.net (Tom Whiting)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 04:58:47 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Almost there!
In-Reply-To: <1036238186.4148.17.camel@EMMETT1>
References: <001c01c280f0$95f82850$410bee84@FDUJACK>
	<1036238186.4148.17.camel@EMMETT1>
Message-ID: <200211020458.47428.wolf@wolfstream.net>

Check your apache handlers, as that looks to be the problem in this case.

On Saturday 02 November 2002 5:56 am, Emmett Culley wrote:
> I've successfully installed Mailman 2.1b4 and have one list working.
> I've also added the mailman list as suggested in the installation
> instructions.  The mailman list partially works.  That is, you can post
> to it and members get the posts.  However, I am not able to access the
> mailman list via the web interface.
>
> Entering the URL http://www.mindpie.com/mailman/admin/mailman always
> take the browser to http://www.mindpie.com/mailman/listinfo.  As a
> matter of fact, any URL ending in mailman (i.e.,
> www.mindpie.com/mailman/admindb/mailman) does the same thing.
>
> Where have I gone wrong?
>
> Regards,
> Emmett


From ralphmengen at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  2 15:34:47 2002
From: ralphmengen at hotmail.com (Ralph Mengen)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 15:34:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: namespace per virtual possible?
Message-ID: <F192WJv3zOdnjQ8vjqu000006fa@hotmail.com>





Jim Popovitch wrote:
>Yes and Yes... but it's not really a MM issue, it's a MTA issue.
>[...]
>>I'm using Mailman 2.0.13 in a virtual domain environment.
>>I want to have lists with the same name but on different virtual domains.
>>ie: news at mydomain and news at yourdomain
>>
>>Is this possible in 2.0.x ?
>>
>>Is this possible in 2.1?

It is possible with multiple installations of MM, but I think the
original sender (and me) wants to know how this could be done
with one installation. Is there a cook book for this problem?

MANY thanx for any hints,
   ++ralph


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From pareilly at tcd.ie  Sat Nov  2 16:45:57 2002
From: pareilly at tcd.ie (Paul Reilly)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 15:45:57 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: namespace per virtual possible?
In-Reply-To: <F192WJv3zOdnjQ8vjqu000006fa@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.43L0.0211021540160.66353-100000@web2.tcd.ie>


> It is possible with multiple installations of MM, but I think the
> original sender (and me) wants to know how this could be done
> with one installation. Is there a cook book for this problem?
>

Exactly. For people like me running multiple virtual domains, this
means a seperate installation of mailman for each virtaul domain
acount!! That's crazy.

I did come across some workarounds mentioned here:

http://www.zope.org/Members/bwarsaw/MailmanDesignNotes/VirtualHosting

But I have yet to try them, and don't really want to mess around with my
active mailman installation.

What I would like is a proper way to handle virtual domains in the next
release of Mailman!

Paul



From wolf at wolfstream.net  Sat Nov  2 16:58:33 2002
From: wolf at wolfstream.net (Tom Whiting)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:58:33 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: namespace per virtual possible?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.43L0.0211021540160.66353-100000@web2.tcd.ie>
References: <Pine.OSF.4.43L0.0211021540160.66353-100000@web2.tcd.ie>
Message-ID: <200211020958.33677.wolf@wolfstream.net>

> What I would like is a proper way to handle virtual domains in the next
> release of Mailman!
>
> Paul
So, get to work and start coding. I find it amusing the amount of people that 
want this and want that and would like this and would like that, but really, 
know nothing about how to do it. But ooooh, if their features aren't 
instituted right away (and the way they want them to be), they throw a big ol 
cow. 

I'm not saying that this is the case here, but if you want to see something 
done, then write up a patch, a snippet and have at it. Mailman should be a 
decent base to work from, but you have to configure some stuff yourself 
(welcome to the world of open source).

I'm not sure what you mean by "proper" virtual domain handling here. In the 
latest betas however, it IS possible to create multiple domain'ed lists off 
of one simple server without having multiple installs of mailman.

Remember, as well, that YOUR version of proper may not = MY version of proper, 
or the next linux tech's version of proper, so the ONLY way to get things 
100% the way YOU want them to be is to create it yourself, or modify the 
existing base (which is absolutely great mind you).




From jimpop at rocketship.com  Sat Nov  2 17:39:41 2002
From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:39:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: namespace per virtual possible?
In-Reply-To: <F192WJv3zOdnjQ8vjqu000006fa@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <FMELKIGJMCKDEONBJEDGAECKEMAA.jimpop@rocketship.com>

> -----Original Message-----
>
> It is possible with multiple installations of MM, but I think the
> original sender (and me) wants to know how this could be done
> with one installation. Is there a cook book for this problem?
>
> MANY thanx for any hints,
>    ++ralph
>

Hi Ralph, it is very possible (and do'able) with only 1 MM installation.  I
currently do it for 3 domains with MM 2.0.11, Apache 1.37, and Sendmail
8.12.  You have to setup Apache and Sendmail for virtual domains.  Each MM
list needs to be setup with the correct Base URL, etc.

Hints: Search on Google for "Apache Virtual Domains" and "Sendmail Virtual
Domains".  ;)

-Jim P.




From sb.list at sb.org  Sat Nov  2 18:12:31 2002
From: sb.list at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 12:12:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: namespace per virtual possible?
In-Reply-To: <200211020958.33677.wolf@wolfstream.net>
Message-ID: <B9E971AF.4BD89%sb.list@sb.org>

On 11/2/02 10:58 AM, "Tom Whiting" <wolf at wolfstream.net> wrote:

> I'm not sure what you mean by "proper" virtual domain handling here. In the
> latest betas however, it IS possible to create multiple domain'ed lists off
> of one simple server without having multiple installs of mailman.

The list names still all have to be unique, though, don't they?

 - Stoney



From den at altern.org  Sat Nov  2 18:32:13 2002
From: den at altern.org (Denis)
Date: 02 Nov 2002 18:32:13 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postfix
Message-ID: <1036258333.1339.98.camel@collectifs.org>

Hi,

I try to run mailman with postfix.

In my main_cf, i add this:

virtual_maps = hash:/etc/aliases

But when i send a test message, i have this error in my log and the
message is not delivred:

unknow user: "|var/lib/mailman/wrapper post testlist"

I think it's an error of syntax but which one ?

Thanks
-- 
Denis 
----------
den at altern.org 

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From pareilly at tcd.ie  Sat Nov  2 19:54:23 2002
From: pareilly at tcd.ie (Paul Reilly)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:54:23 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: namespace per virtual possible?
In-Reply-To: <200211020958.33677.wolf@wolfstream.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.43L0.0211021841390.66353-100000@web2.tcd.ie>


> So, get to work and start coding. I find it amusing the amount of people that
> want this and want that and would like this and would like that, but really,
>
All I am saying is that big hosting companies need this feature in order
to do wide scale deployements of mailman. It's in the interests of the
project that this feature is worked on.

I have no problem editing the source to get it to do what I want. I have done
this numerous times with other packages. However python is not a language I
know well, and so any mailman patch from me is likely to be ugly.

> latest betas however, it IS possible to create multiple domain'ed lists off
> of one simple server without having multiple installs of mailman.
>
Great. I'll install that and have a play around with it.

Thanks

Paul



From pareilly at tcd.ie  Sat Nov  2 19:56:01 2002
From: pareilly at tcd.ie (Paul Reilly)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:56:01 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: namespace per virtual possible?
In-Reply-To: <B9E971AF.4BD89%sb.list@sb.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.43L0.0211021855110.66353-100000@web2.tcd.ie>


> On 11/2/02 10:58 AM, "Tom Whiting" <wolf at wolfstream.net> wrote:
>
> > latest betas however, it IS possible to create multiple domain'ed lists off
> > of one simple server without having multiple installs of mailman.
>
> The list names still all have to be unique, though, don't they?
>  - Stoney
>

I presume not. I'll check it out and see.
Paul



From tmann at black.ils.unc.edu  Sat Nov  2 22:16:40 2002
From: tmann at black.ils.unc.edu (Tommy Mann)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:16:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] non-web subscribe
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211021615210.17348-100000@black.ils.unc.edu>

Hello,

I'm trying to figure how to subscribe to a list, say 
"test at black.ils.unc.edu" without using the web interface.  Is there a way 
that I can send an email message to the server to subscribe?

Thanks!
Tommy

tmann at black.ils.unc.edu



From jeremyp at pobox.com  Sat Nov  2 23:01:10 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 02 Nov 2002 17:01:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] non-web subscribe
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211021615210.17348-100000@black.ils.unc.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211021615210.17348-100000@black.ils.unc.edu>
Message-ID: <1036274472.1730.9.camel@silverstar>

On Sat, 2002-11-02 at 16:16, Tommy Mann wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm trying to figure how to subscribe to a list, say 
> "test at black.ils.unc.edu" without using the web interface.  Is there a way 
> that I can send an email message to the server to subscribe?

Certainly.  Send a message to test-request at domain.edu and put
"subscribe" in the body of the message.  Or send a message with "help"
in the body and you'll get back a helpful message explaining the
commands.  If you've ever used the traditional "majordomo" software,
you'll find the commands are quite similar.

--Jeremy



From arimr at bear.com  Sun Nov  3 00:31:42 2002
From: arimr at bear.com (Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange))
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:31:42 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postfix
Message-ID: <7D6B2870025DD511B03900A0C9E8ACAB0753ABD4@whmsx5.is.bear.com>

Postfix doesn't allow programs in virtual maps.  You need to point the list
name to a local (@$myhostname) address and then put the wrapper program in
the alas map.

Hope this helps,
Ari

-----Original Message-----
From: Denis [mailto:den at altern.org]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 12:32 PM
To: AriMR at bear.com
Cc: Mailman mailing list management users
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postfix


Hi,

I try to run mailman with postfix.

In my main_cf, i add this:

virtual_maps = hash:/etc/aliases

But when i send a test message, i have this error in my log and the
message is not delivred:

unknow user: "|var/lib/mailman/wrapper post testlist"

I think it's an error of syntax but which one ?

Thanks
-- 
Denis 
----------
den at altern.org 

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From tim1 at timduru.org  Sun Nov  3 00:48:57 2002
From: tim1 at timduru.org (timduru)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 00:48:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postfix
In-Reply-To: <7D6B2870025DD511B03900A0C9E8ACAB0753ABD4@whmsx5.is.bear.com>
References: <7D6B2870025DD511B03900A0C9E8ACAB0753ABD4@whmsx5.is.bear.com>
Message-ID: <20021103004857.5aefbbbd.tim1@timduru.org>

I'm doing that for a list 
and it's working fine in the virtual map .. 

user at domain	"|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post testlist"

I'm using postfix  1.1.11



On Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:31:42 -0500 
"Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange)" <arimr at bear.com> wrote:

> Postfix doesn't allow programs in virtual maps.  You need to point the list
> name to a local (@$myhostname) address and then put the wrapper program in
> the alas map.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Ari
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Denis [mailto:den at altern.org]
> Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 12:32 PM
> To: AriMR at bear.com
> Cc: Mailman mailing list management users
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postfix
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I try to run mailman with postfix.
> 
> In my main_cf, i add this:
> 
> virtual_maps = hash:/etc/aliases
> 
> But when i send a test message, i have this error in my log and the
> message is not delivred:
> 
> unknow user: "|var/lib/mailman/wrapper post testlist"
> 
> I think it's an error of syntax but which one ?
> 


From cra at bigfatpipe.net  Sun Nov  3 17:30:29 2002
From: cra at bigfatpipe.net (Christopher Allen [BigFatPipe.Net])
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 08:30:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: namespace per virtual possible?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.43L0.0211021540160.66353-100000@web2.tcd.ie>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0211030828030.82320-100000@west.bigfatpipe.net>

On Sat, 2 Nov 2002, Paul Reilly wrote:
> Exactly. For people like me running multiple virtual domains, this
> means a seperate installation of mailman for each virtaul domain
> acount!! That's crazy.
>
> I did come across some workarounds mentioned here:
>
> http://www.zope.org/Members/bwarsaw/MailmanDesignNotes/VirtualHosting
>
> But I have yet to try them, and don't really want to mess around with my
> active mailman installation.
>
> What I would like is a proper way to handle virtual domains in the next
> release of Mailman!

How about handling your virtual domains at the MTA level via aliasing, and
not at your listmanager level?  While this would mean that you couldn't
have two lists with exactly the same name, you can achieve nearly the same
level of performance with things like explicit reply-to settings/etc.

-CA



From mhanze at mpawest.net  Sun Nov  3 19:15:58 2002
From: mhanze at mpawest.net (Mark Hanze)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 13:15:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.0.13, With Cookie?
Message-ID: <3DC567DE.3060303@mpawest.net>

Anyone have any ideas?



Nov 03 09:49:14 2002 admin(10555): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(10555): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.13 -----]
admin(10555): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(10555): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(10555):     main()
admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 87, in main
admin(10555):     Auth.authenticate(mlist, cgidata)
admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/Auth.py", line 72, in authentica
te
admin(10555):     isauthed = mlist.WebAuthenticate(password=adminpw, cookie='adm
in')
admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 72, in Web
Authenticate
admin(10555):     return self.CheckCookie(key)
admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 121, in Ch
eckCookie
admin(10555):     c = Cookie.Cookie(cookiedata, net_setfunc=lambda x: x)
admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py", line 509, in __init__
admin(10555):     if input: self.load(input)
admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py", line 546, in load
admin(10555):     self.__ParseString(rawdata)
admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py", line 573, in __ParseStri
ng
admin(10555):     M.set(K, apply(self.net_setfunc, (V,)), V)
admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py", line 421, in set
admin(10555):     raise CookieError("Attempt to set a reserved key: %s" % key)
admin(10555): CookieError: Attempt to set a reserved key: domain




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Nov  3 21:24:18 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 03 Nov 2002 15:24:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.0.13, With Cookie?
In-Reply-To: <3DC567DE.3060303@mpawest.net>
References: <3DC567DE.3060303@mpawest.net>
Message-ID: <1036355059.1639.124.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

what is the name of your list?

===
On Sun, 2002-11-03 at 13:15, Mark Hanze wrote:
> Anyone have any ideas?
> 
> 
> 
> Nov 03 09:49:14 2002 admin(10555): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
> admin(10555): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.13 -----]
> admin(10555): [----- Traceback ------]
> admin(10555): Traceback (most recent call last):
> admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
> admin(10555):     main()
> admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 87, in main
> admin(10555):     Auth.authenticate(mlist, cgidata)
> admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/Auth.py", line 72, in authentica
> te
> admin(10555):     isauthed = mlist.WebAuthenticate(password=adminpw, cookie='adm
> in')
> admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 72, in Web
> Authenticate
> admin(10555):     return self.CheckCookie(key)
> admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 121, in Ch
> eckCookie
> admin(10555):     c = Cookie.Cookie(cookiedata, net_setfunc=lambda x: x)
> admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py", line 509, in __init__
> admin(10555):     if input: self.load(input)
> admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py", line 546, in load
> admin(10555):     self.__ParseString(rawdata)
> admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py", line 573, in __ParseStri
> ng
> admin(10555):     M.set(K, apply(self.net_setfunc, (V,)), V)
> admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py", line 421, in set
> admin(10555):     raise CookieError("Attempt to set a reserved key: %s" % key)
> admin(10555): CookieError: Attempt to set a reserved key: domain
> 
> 
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From mhanze at mpawest.net  Mon Nov  4 00:47:11 2002
From: mhanze at mpawest.net (Mark Hanze)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 18:47:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.0.13, With Cookie?
References: <3DC567DE.3060303@mpawest.net>
	<1036355059.1639.124.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3DC5B57F.8000406@mpawest.net>

SchoolHouse-News. Are you on to something?

Jon Carnes wrote:
> what is the name of your list?
> 
> ===
> On Sun, 2002-11-03 at 13:15, Mark Hanze wrote:
> 
>>Anyone have any ideas?
>>
>>
>>
>>Nov 03 09:49:14 2002 admin(10555): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>admin(10555): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.13 -----]
>>admin(10555): [----- Traceback ------]
>>admin(10555): Traceback (most recent call last):
>>admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
>>admin(10555):     main()
>>admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 87, in main
>>admin(10555):     Auth.authenticate(mlist, cgidata)
>>admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/Auth.py", line 72, in authentica
>>te
>>admin(10555):     isauthed = mlist.WebAuthenticate(password=adminpw, cookie='adm
>>in')
>>admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 72, in Web
>>Authenticate
>>admin(10555):     return self.CheckCookie(key)
>>admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 121, in Ch
>>eckCookie
>>admin(10555):     c = Cookie.Cookie(cookiedata, net_setfunc=lambda x: x)
>>admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py", line 509, in __init__
>>admin(10555):     if input: self.load(input)
>>admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py", line 546, in load
>>admin(10555):     self.__ParseString(rawdata)
>>admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py", line 573, in __ParseStri
>>ng
>>admin(10555):     M.set(K, apply(self.net_setfunc, (V,)), V)
>>admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py", line 421, in set
>>admin(10555):     raise CookieError("Attempt to set a reserved key: %s" % key)
>>admin(10555): CookieError: Attempt to set a reserved key: domain
>>
>>
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From mhanze at mpawest.net  Mon Nov  4 00:53:12 2002
From: mhanze at mpawest.net (Mark Hanze)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 18:53:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.0.13, With Cookie?
References: <3DC567DE.3060303@mpawest.net>
	<1036355059.1639.124.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3DC5B6E8.1090505@mpawest.net>

PS: I was using IE. I tried it in Netscape and it worked. Then I tried it later, after closing 
Netscape and it didn't work. I went into preferences of Netscape and deleted all cookies ant is 
works again.

Jon Carnes wrote:
> what is the name of your list?
> 
> ===
> On Sun, 2002-11-03 at 13:15, Mark Hanze wrote:
> 
>>Anyone have any ideas?
>>
>>
>>
>>Nov 03 09:49:14 2002 admin(10555): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>admin(10555): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.13 -----]
>>admin(10555): [----- Traceback ------]
>>admin(10555): Traceback (most recent call last):
>>admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
>>admin(10555):     main()
>>admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 87, in main
>>admin(10555):     Auth.authenticate(mlist, cgidata)
>>admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/Auth.py", line 72, in authentica
>>te
>>admin(10555):     isauthed = mlist.WebAuthenticate(password=adminpw, cookie='adm
>>in')
>>admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 72, in Web
>>Authenticate
>>admin(10555):     return self.CheckCookie(key)
>>admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 121, in Ch
>>eckCookie
>>admin(10555):     c = Cookie.Cookie(cookiedata, net_setfunc=lambda x: x)
>>admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py", line 509, in __init__
>>admin(10555):     if input: self.load(input)
>>admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py", line 546, in load
>>admin(10555):     self.__ParseString(rawdata)
>>admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py", line 573, in __ParseStri
>>ng
>>admin(10555):     M.set(K, apply(self.net_setfunc, (V,)), V)
>>admin(10555):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py", line 421, in set
>>admin(10555):     raise CookieError("Attempt to set a reserved key: %s" % key)
>>admin(10555): CookieError: Attempt to set a reserved key: domain
>>
>>
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From shippy at nmt.edu  Mon Nov  4 02:02:21 2002
From: shippy at nmt.edu (Jeff Shipman)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 18:02:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have a hoster that I would like to use mailman with
Message-ID: <3DC5C71D.9040203@nmt.edu>

I'm currently using a webhoster and I have an account
on their machines. They're using FreeBSD and they use
majordomo for their mailing lists. I really don't like
majordomo and I don't find it to be very flexible. They're
considering mailman, but getting them to install it
will probably take forever. I was hoping there would be
some way for me to install it locally to my home directory
and just use it for my lists. Plus, if they want to use
it, they'll need to be flexible in letting others do
their own mailing lists. I notice places like SourceForge
have this feature where each project can set up their
own lists.

Is there a way I can install Mailman in my account
without root privs or is there minimal root privs
things that I could just ask them to do? They said
they'd be willing to help me out with the system
stuff, but I don't want anything to conflict with
their current system.

Also, I have my own domain name that all of my
email goes to. I don't know if that helps in
the setup or not.

Thanks in advance!
-- 
Jeff "Shippy" Shipman     E-Mail: shippy at nmt.edu
Computer Science Major    ICQ: 1786493
New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology
Homepage: http://www.nmt.edu/~shippy



From morgan at hahaha.org  Mon Nov  4 05:26:29 2002
From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher)
Date: 03 Nov 2002 20:26:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] python 2.0 -> 2.2 upgrade?
Message-ID: <jzsk7juklje.fsf@newbolt.sonic.net>

I'd like to upgrade python on our mailman server from 2.0 to 2.2, so
that when we make the mailman jump from 2.0.8 to 2.1 we'll already
have python installed. And I want to see what's new in python 2.2.

Does mailman work OK with python 2.2? Are there are any caveats to
know about, before I make the upgrade?

Morgan
-- 
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>> Illegitimi non carborundum              http://www.birfield.com/~morgan <<


From morgan at hahaha.org  Mon Nov  4 05:32:30 2002
From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher)
Date: 03 Nov 2002 20:32:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] python 2.0 -> 2.2 upgrade?
In-Reply-To: Morgan Fletcher's message of "03 Nov 2002 20:26:29 -0800"
References: <jzsk7juklje.fsf@newbolt.sonic.net>
Message-ID: <jzsfzuikl9d.fsf@newbolt.sonic.net>

Morgan Fletcher <morgan at hahaha.org> writes:

> I'd like to upgrade python on our mailman server from 2.0 to 2.2, so
> that when we make the mailman jump from 2.0.8 to 2.1 we'll already
> have python installed. And I want to see what's new in python 2.2.
> 
> Does mailman work OK with python 2.2? Are there are any caveats to
> know about, before I make the upgrade?

Sorry, that was confusing.

I have mailman 2.0.8, python 2.0.

Want to go to mailman 2.0.8, python 2.2.

Then later, when mailman 2.1 is ready, go to mailman 2.1, python 2.2.

Will mailman 2.0.8 work OK with python 2.2?

Morgan


From stephani at cornbury.org  Mon Nov  4 07:30:20 2002
From: stephani at cornbury.org (Stephanie Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 22:30:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with Mac OS X Server (Jaguar) and Mailman?
Message-ID: <p05111b16b9ebc04f0ebb@[192.168.1.110]>

Hello all:

Hope you can help with this. I'm a little lost, and his may not even 
be a Mailman problem, but here goes.

I have Mac OS X 10.2 (Jaguar) Server running AppleMailServer (for 
regular mail) and sendmail (for Mailman). My problem is that all mail 
to Mailman's lists is bounced with unknown user. I think AMS needs to 
be shown how to forward this mail to sendmail so it can be processed 
by Mailman. Sendmail has all the aliases defined (and newaliased) for 
the lists.

Mail going out from Mailman (e.g. mass subscribe notices from the web 
interface) works just fine.

By the way, special thanks to Kathleen Webb for her great 
walk-through on the basic install. It works fine, except her 
non-server system doesn't have AppleMailServer and sendmail is the 
only mailserver involved.

Any ideas?
-- 
Stephanie Mitchell

For beautiful lips, speak words of kindness.



From brianr at bjsystems.co.uk  Mon Nov  4 15:51:32 2002
From: brianr at bjsystems.co.uk (Brian Read)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:51:32 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscribe
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021104145011.03011498@server01>

I am about to subscribe about 150 names to a list, from a CSV file, is 
there a  way of adding the "real" name as well as the email?

Thanks in anticipation

Brian

Brian J Read
www.abandonmicrosoft.co.uk
www.theonlineorganiser.com
www.thepersonalknowledgebase.com
Mitel SMEserver Contributions and Howtos: 
www.abandonmicrosoft.co.uk/abandon/links.html
+44 1695 723723




From MarkRoedel at letu.edu  Mon Nov  4 15:55:02 2002
From: MarkRoedel at letu.edu (Roedel, Mark)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:55:02 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] python 2.0 -> 2.2 upgrade?
Message-ID: <8E6F289F94373940BAFB5F6C90A79B2E08F8EB@rachael.letnet.net>


The Changelog indicates that 2.0.9 included "some additional Python 2.2
compatibility fixes."  Given that, I'd consider updating your Mailman at
least to that point (if not all the way to the current 2.0.x release)
before attempting the Python upgrade.


---
Mark Roedel           | "Blessed is he who has learned to laugh
Systems Programmer    |  at himself, for he shall never cease
LeTourneau University |  to be entertained."
Longview, Texas, USA  |                          -- John Powell


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Morgan Fletcher [mailto:morgan at hahaha.org] 
> Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 10:33 PM
> To: Roedel, Mark
> Cc: Herb Peyerl; Mailman mailing list management users
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] python 2.0 -> 2.2 upgrade?
> 
> 
> Morgan Fletcher <morgan at hahaha.org> writes:
> 
> > I'd like to upgrade python on our mailman server from 2.0 to 2.2, so
> > that when we make the mailman jump from 2.0.8 to 2.1 we'll already
> > have python installed. And I want to see what's new in python 2.2.
> > 
> > Does mailman work OK with python 2.2? Are there are any caveats to
> > know about, before I make the upgrade?


From j.wards at sportnetwork.net  Mon Nov  4 16:00:18 2002
From: j.wards at sportnetwork.net (John Wards)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:00:18 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscribe
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021104145011.03011498@server01>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021104145011.03011498@server01>
Message-ID: <200211041500.18834.j.wards@sportnetwork.net>

On Monday 04 Nov 2002 2:51 pm, Brian Read wrote:
> I am about to subscribe about 150 names to a list, from a CSV file, is
> there a  way of adding the "real" name as well as the email?
>
Well in the beta version you do it like this:

Brian Read <brianr at bjsystems.co.uk>
John Wards <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>

Cheers
John


From brianr at bjsystems.co.uk  Mon Nov  4 16:45:35 2002
From: brianr at bjsystems.co.uk (Brian Read)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 15:45:35 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscribe
In-Reply-To: <200211041538.23484.j.wards@sportnetwork.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021104153036.03098530@server01>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20021104145011.03011498@server01>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20021104153036.03098530@server01>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021104154425.02353060@server01>

No, it failed to work under 2.1b3

Cheers

Brian

At 15:38 04/11/2002, John Wards wrote:
>Erm no I think that should work. Give it a test in the mass subscribe area. I
>have used it fine enough
>
>John
>
>On Monday 04 Nov 2002 3:31 pm, you wrote:
> > But I guess that is Beta4?, i am on Beta3.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > At 15:00 04/11/2002, you wrote:
> > >On Monday 04 Nov 2002 2:51 pm, Brian Read wrote:
> > > > I am about to subscribe about 150 names to a list, from a CSV file, is
> > > > there a  way of adding the "real" name as well as the email?
> > >
> > >Well in the beta version you do it like this:
> > >
> > >Brian Read <brianr at bjsystems.co.uk>
> > >John Wards <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> > >
> > >Cheers
> > >John
> >
> > Brian J Read
> > www.abandonmicrosoft.co.uk
> > www.theonlineorganiser.com
> > www.thepersonalknowledgebase.com
> > Mitel SMEserver Contributions and Howtos:
> > www.abandonmicrosoft.co.uk/abandon/links.html
> > +44 1695 723723

Brian J Read
www.abandonmicrosoft.co.uk
www.theonlineorganiser.com
www.thepersonalknowledgebase.com
Mitel SMEserver Contributions and Howtos: 
www.abandonmicrosoft.co.uk/abandon/links.html
+44 1695 723723




From forrie at forrie.com  Sun Nov  3 04:50:05 2002
From: forrie at forrie.com (Forrest Aldrich)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 22:50:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail wrapper error
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021102224420.02126438@192.168.1.1>

I'm getting this error:

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 6, GOT gid 26.  (Reconfigure to take 26?)
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2

And I know what it means, but it doesn't seem obvious as to where to change 
this GID value without having to go in and recompile the entire source tree.

It would be nice to have a gui that can be used to tune all of these 
variables in Mailman.  Is that planned for 2.1?


_F



From safelistsmart at attbi.com  Sun Nov  3 07:08:39 2002
From: safelistsmart at attbi.com (SafelistSmart)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 23:08:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error on 'newlist'
Message-ID: <01d801c282ff$742442c0$0801a8c0@jamicassidy>

This is a first test of a new installation on RedHat 7.2 - MajorDomo is installed as well (need to know how to remove it cleanly).

I get this error when trying to run 'newlist'

[mailman at ns1 mailman]$ newlist
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/admin/vhosts/mailman/bin/newlist", line 53, in ?
    from Mailman import mm_cfg
  File "/home/admin/vhosts/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 45
    IMAGE_LOGOS = /home/httpd/icons
                  ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
Any suggestions would be great

Mike
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From pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us  Sun Nov  3 18:04:37 2002
From: pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us (peter schoch)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 12:04:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Linux 7.3 and sendmail 8.x problem
Message-ID: <sdc510e8.033@mail.sussex.edu>

I followed the installation procedures for mailman, and the web interface works just fine.

HOWEVER, any email I send into it disappears!  It never goes out to the list and doesn't bounce back to me.

Is there something in Sendmail 8.x in Linux 7.3 that prevents mailman from working?  Any suggestions on how to fix this?  I'm trying to run the list for an online class we teach at the college.

Thanks,
Peter Schoch


From j.wards at sportnetwork.net  Mon Nov  4 17:00:50 2002
From: j.wards at sportnetwork.net (John Wards)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:00:50 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Linux 7.3 and sendmail 8.x problem
In-Reply-To: <sdc510e8.033@mail.sussex.edu>
References: <sdc510e8.033@mail.sussex.edu>
Message-ID: <200211041600.50766.j.wards@sportnetwork.net>


Have you set up the cron jobs?

What version are you using?

Is their any files in ~mailman/qfiles

John

On Sunday 03 Nov 2002 5:04 pm, peter schoch wrote:
> I followed the installation procedures for mailman, and the web interface
> works just fine.
>
> HOWEVER, any email I send into it disappears!  It never goes out to the
> list and doesn't bounce back to me.
>
> Is there something in Sendmail 8.x in Linux 7.3 that prevents mailman from
> working?  Any suggestions on how to fix this?  I'm trying to run the list
> for an online class we teach at the college.
>
> Thanks,
> Peter Schoch
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
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From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Nov  4 17:29:08 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 16:29:08 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error on 'newlist'
In-Reply-To: <01d801c282ff$742442c0$0801a8c0@jamicassidy>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021104162650.03692e20@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 06:08 03/11/2002, SafelistSmart wrote:
>This is a first test of a new installation on RedHat 7.2 - MajorDomo is 
>installed as well (need to know how to remove it cleanly).
>
>I get this error when trying to run 'newlist'
>
>[mailman at ns1 mailman]$ newlist
>Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/admin/vhosts/mailman/bin/newlist", line 53, in ?
>     from Mailman import mm_cfg
>   File "/home/admin/vhosts/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 45
>     IMAGE_LOGOS = /home/httpd/icons
>                   ^
>SyntaxError: invalid syntax
>Any suggestions would be great
>
>Mike

Putting quotes round the string value might be the solution:

IMAGE_LOGOS  =  '/home/httpd/icons'




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Nov  4 17:37:23 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 16:37:23 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail wrapper error
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021102224420.02126438@192.168.1.1>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021104163500.036bee80@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 03:50 03/11/2002, Forrest Aldrich wrote:
>I'm getting this error:
>
>Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 6, GOT gid 26.  (Reconfigure to take 26?)
>554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2
>
>And I know what it means, but it doesn't seem obvious as to where to 
>change this GID value without having to go in and recompile the entire 
>source tree.

The GIDs are compiled into the mail and cgi wrappers which is why you have 
to go back to config and make when the GIDs are wrong

>It would be nice to have a gui that can be used to tune all of these 
>variables in Mailman.  Is that planned for 2.1?

It would compromise the security gained from compiled setgid wrappers if 
you could change them after doing the make, so do not expect a change


>_F



From wccartd at wcc.vccs.edu  Mon Nov  4 18:07:52 2002
From: wccartd at wcc.vccs.edu (David Carter-Tod)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 12:07:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscribe
In-Reply-To: <E188kbv-0004N7-01@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021104120624.03620170@email.wcc.vccs.edu>

At 12:01 PM 11/4/2002 -0500, John Wards wrote:
>Brian Read <brianr at bjsystems.co.uk>
>John Wards <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>

Do it like this in 2.1b3:

brianr at bjsystems.co.uk (Brian Read)
j.wards at sportnetwork.net (John Wards)

David
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Nov  4 18:37:20 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 04 Nov 2002 12:37:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Linux 7.3 and sendmail 8.x problem
In-Reply-To: <200211041600.50766.j.wards@sportnetwork.net>
References: <sdc510e8.033@mail.sussex.edu> 
	<200211041600.50766.j.wards@sportnetwork.net>
Message-ID: <1036431440.5567.33.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 11:00, John Wards wrote:
> 
> Have you set up the cron jobs?
> 
> What version are you using?
> 
> Is their any files in ~mailman/qfiles
> 
> John

If it's not the cron, then:
 - have you setup a smrsh link to the wrapper program (does your MTA use
smrsh)?
 - is your MTA listening on every port or on limited ports?
     netstat -na | grep ":25 "

Make sure that it accepts mail sent to localhost on port 25 (that means
also check out your local firewall rules!).

Have you looked at the log files for Mailman.  They might give you some
information on what is going on.

BTW: what the heck is "linux 7.3"?  Is that Red Hat Linux version 7.3?

Good Luck - Jon Carnes
===
> 
> On Sunday 03 Nov 2002 5:04 pm, peter schoch wrote:
> > I followed the installation procedures for mailman, and the web interface
> > works just fine.
> >
> > HOWEVER, any email I send into it disappears!  It never goes out to the
> > list and doesn't bounce back to me.
> >
> > Is there something in Sendmail 8.x in Linux 7.3 that prevents mailman from
> > working?  Any suggestions on how to fix this?  I'm trying to run the list
> > for an online class we teach at the college.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Peter Schoch
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives:
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
> > This message was sent to: j.wards at sportnetwork.net
> > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/j.wards%40sportnetwork
> >.net
> 
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Nov  4 18:59:14 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 04 Nov 2002 12:59:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have a hoster that I would like to use
	mailman with
In-Reply-To: <3DC5C71D.9040203@nmt.edu>
References: <3DC5C71D.9040203@nmt.edu>
Message-ID: <1036432754.5595.49.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

If the sysadmin is willing to help you then there is no reason for it
not to work.

You'll need their help for three things:
 - Have them setup a user and group both named mailman.  Then you can
login as the user mailman and do the install.
 - Setup the cgi aliases in Apache's config file for /mailman and
/pipermail
 - Setup a secondary system mail "aliases" file that user mailman has
rights to modify.

Now whenever you login as the user mailman, you can create/modify/delete
mailing lists on the server.

Note: you can do the install using your own userid/group by setting
those switches during the ./configure step of the installation. I don't
recommend this though, and it will all work out nicer if the sysadmin
agrees to a second user named mailman.

Note2: you might also need sysadmin help in determining what GID your
server's MTA uses, and what GID your server's web server uses.  You
might also need the sysadmin to allow Mailman's wrapper program to be
run by the MTA (if they use smrsh or some other limiting application).

Good Luck! 

On Sun, 2002-11-03 at 20:02, Jeff Shipman wrote:
> I'm currently using a webhoster and I have an account
> on their machines. They're using FreeBSD and they use
> majordomo for their mailing lists. I really don't like
> majordomo and I don't find it to be very flexible. They're
> considering mailman, but getting them to install it
> will probably take forever. I was hoping there would be
> some way for me to install it locally to my home directory
> and just use it for my lists. Plus, if they want to use
> it, they'll need to be flexible in letting others do
> their own mailing lists. I notice places like SourceForge
> have this feature where each project can set up their
> own lists.
> 
> Is there a way I can install Mailman in my account
> without root privs or is there minimal root privs
> things that I could just ask them to do? They said
> they'd be willing to help me out with the system
> stuff, but I don't want anything to conflict with
> their current system.
> 
> Also, I have my own domain name that all of my
> email goes to. I don't know if that helps in
> the setup or not.
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> -- 
> Jeff "Shippy" Shipman     E-Mail: shippy at nmt.edu
> Computer Science Major    ICQ: 1786493
> New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology
> Homepage: http://www.nmt.edu/~shippy
> 
> 
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> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Nov  4 19:12:08 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 04 Nov 2002 13:12:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] python 2.0 -> 2.2 upgrade?
In-Reply-To: <jzsfzuikl9d.fsf@newbolt.sonic.net>
References: <jzsk7juklje.fsf@newbolt.sonic.net> 
	<jzsfzuikl9d.fsf@newbolt.sonic.net>
Message-ID: <1036433529.5567.62.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Not confusing at all!

Mailman should work after the Python upgrade, but you will still want to
re-install it.

I've done something similar.  Mailman worked fine after the upgrade but
my log files filled up fast with Warnings.  After re-installing Mailman
(about a two minute job) all the Warnings went away.  Without the
re-install you will get a lot of deprecation warnings in your log files
and I mean *a lot!*

If you installed Mailman from Source and still have it setting around,
then after the upgrade simply run the same "./configure ..." command and
then the "make install" command. Your lists and their configurations
will be untouched, but the Python calls made by Mailman will be more
current.

Of course, if you are going to that trouble, you might as well download
the latest Source for 2.0.13 and then simply run the same ./configure
command, etc...

That way you'll up-to-date and ready for the new 2.1 whenever you feel
comfortable.

Good Luck!
 
On Sun, 2002-11-03 at 23:32, Morgan Fletcher wrote:
> Morgan Fletcher <morgan at hahaha.org> writes:
> 
> > I'd like to upgrade python on our mailman server from 2.0 to 2.2, so
> > that when we make the mailman jump from 2.0.8 to 2.1 we'll already
> > have python installed. And I want to see what's new in python 2.2.
> > 
> > Does mailman work OK with python 2.2? Are there are any caveats to
> > know about, before I make the upgrade?
> 
> Sorry, that was confusing.
> 
> I have mailman 2.0.8, python 2.0.
> 
> Want to go to mailman 2.0.8, python 2.2.
> 
> Then later, when mailman 2.1 is ready, go to mailman 2.1, python 2.2.
> 
> Will mailman 2.0.8 work OK with python 2.2?
> 
> Morgan
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Nov  4 19:16:44 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 04 Nov 2002 13:16:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscribe
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021104120624.03620170@email.wcc.vccs.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021104120624.03620170@email.wcc.vccs.edu>
Message-ID: <1036433805.5595.67.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

But don't do the below with Mailman 2.0.x.  The 2.0.x versions only
allow email addresses, and attempts to include names with the email
addresses will hose the list.

Just a friendly warning!

On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 12:07, David Carter-Tod wrote:
> At 12:01 PM 11/4/2002 -0500, John Wards wrote:
> >Brian Read <brianr at bjsystems.co.uk>
> >John Wards <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> 
> Do it like this in 2.1b3:
> 
> brianr at bjsystems.co.uk (Brian Read)
> j.wards at sportnetwork.net (John Wards)
> 
> David
> --
> David Carter-Tod
> <wccartd at wcc.vccs.edu>
> 
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From Rick.Harding at am.sony.com  Mon Nov  4 19:13:24 2002
From: Rick.Harding at am.sony.com (Harding, Rick)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:13:24 -0800 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 2, Issue 6
Message-ID: <0DE752C748D0D211A6BE0090272B960B0707E691@us-sj-xmsg-2.am.sony.com>

please unsubscribe me to this list.

Thanks

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From dan at langille.org  Tue Nov  5 00:02:50 2002
From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 18:02:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] two lists, same name, different domains
Message-ID: <3DC6B64A.13558.6834B01A@localhost>

Has anyone figured out how to run two lists in different domains but 
with the same list name?

e.g. mylist at example.org & mylist at example.com
-- 
Dan Langille



From barry at python.org  Tue Nov  5 00:04:41 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:04:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
 Re: personalization features (was Re: Archive URL in postings (2.1b3)) 
References: <E1D383AE-EB66-11D6-A331-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>
	<15235.1036165012@elisabeth.cfrq.net>
Message-ID: <15814.64777.406123.399535@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "HK" == Harald Koch <chk at pobox.com> writes:

    HK>     Can this new To/Cc munging sub-option of personalisation
    HK> be enabled or disabled separately from other personalisation
    HK> tricks (like the personalised list-info URL you mentioned in
    HK> the other thread)?

Yes, and it wouldn't be hard, although it would require yet another
list configuration variable.

Is it worth it for MM2.1?  Note that I currently have To-munging
disabled by commenting out the relevant code.  Someone using Mailman
for a corporate announce list, for which To-munging would be very
useful, could re-enable site-wide by uncommenting the code.  Enabling
it on a per-list basis requires a configuration variable.

-Barry


From barry at python.org  Tue Nov  5 00:08:47 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:08:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: namespace per virtual possible?
References: <200211020958.33677.wolf@wolfstream.net>
	<B9E971AF.4BD89%sb.list@sb.org>
Message-ID: <15814.65023.541575.601702@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "SB" == Stonewall Ballard <sb.list at sb.org> writes:

    >> I'm not sure what you mean by "proper" virtual domain handling
    >> here. In the latest betas however, it IS possible to create
    >> multiple domain'ed lists off of one simple server without
    >> having multiple installs of mailman.

    SB> The list names still all have to be unique, though, don't
    SB> they?

Yes, and this will be fixed after MM2.1.

For people who want to look at this in more details, take a look at
the Site.py module.  It's not perfect and may not be complete, but
it's the best that's currently available for MM2.1.

-Barry


From barry at python.org  Tue Nov  5 00:12:06 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:12:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: namespace per virtual possible?
References: <200211020958.33677.wolf@wolfstream.net>
	<Pine.OSF.4.43L0.0211021841390.66353-100000@web2.tcd.ie>
Message-ID: <15814.65222.726266.856208@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "PR" == Paul Reilly <pareilly at tcd.ie> writes:

    >> So, get to work and start coding. I find it amusing the amount
    >> of people that want this and want that and would like this and
    >> would like that, but really,

    PR> All I am saying is that big hosting companies need this
    PR> feature in order to do wide scale deployements of
    PR> mailman. It's in the interests of the project that this
    PR> feature is worked on.

If it's really that important, then the big hosting companies should
be happy to hear that Zope Corporation has a successful history of
entering into targeted development contracts for Mailman features.

IOW, if someone were to /fund/ me to do the work, and is willing to
open source the results, it would get a much higher priority.

Hacking code isn't the only way to contribute to the project <wink>.

-Barry


From barry at python.org  Tue Nov  5 00:14:58 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:14:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] python 2.0 -> 2.2 upgrade?
References: <jzsk7juklje.fsf@newbolt.sonic.net>
	<jzsfzuikl9d.fsf@newbolt.sonic.net>
Message-ID: <15814.65394.558051.571721@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "MF" == Morgan Fletcher <morgan at hahaha.org> writes:

    MF> I have mailman 2.0.8, python 2.0.

    MF> Want to go to mailman 2.0.8, python 2.2.

    MF> Then later, when mailman 2.1 is ready, go to mailman 2.1,
    MF> python 2.2.

    MF> Will mailman 2.0.8 work OK with python 2.2?

I don't remember, but in any case I'd recommend upgrading to Mailman
2.0.13, which I know will work well with Python 2.2.2 (the latest
stable bug fix release).

So I'd recommend:

- upgrade Mailman to 2.0.13
- make sure that works
- upgrade Python to 2.2.2
- make sure that works
- when you're ready, upgrade to Mailman 2.1

-Barry



From rhorer at swbell.net  Tue Nov  5 00:50:06 2002
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 17:50:06 -0600
Subject: Unsubscribing (was Re: [Mailman-Users] RE: Mailman-Users Digest,
 Vol 2, Issue 6)
In-Reply-To: <0DE752C748D0D211A6BE0090272B960B0707E691@us-sj-xmsg-2.am.sony.com>
References: <0DE752C748D0D211A6BE0090272B960B0707E691@us-sj-xmsg-2.am.sony.com>
Message-ID: <200211041750.06396.rhorer@swbell.net>

On Monday 04 November 2002 12:13, Harding, Rick wrote:
> please unsubscribe me to this list.

As a fellow subscriber, I would like to encourage you to please look at 
the instructions included at the bottom of each and every posting to 
the list.

> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> 	http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> 	mailman-users-request at python.org

...and...

> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/<your email here>

Doing your own unsubscribing from any mailing list takes a huge 
administrative burden off of the list owner, who is, in most cases, 
volunteering his or her time.  That's why they make the initial time 
investment to make the instructions appear with such frequency.


From rhorer at swbell.net  Tue Nov  5 00:55:48 2002
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 17:55:48 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Unsubscribing
In-Reply-To: <200211041750.06396.rhorer@swbell.net>
References: <0DE752C748D0D211A6BE0090272B960B0707E691@us-sj-xmsg-2.am.sony.com>
	<200211041750.06396.rhorer@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <200211041755.48890.rhorer@swbell.net>

On Monday 04 November 2002 17:50, Kyle Rhorer wrote:
> On Monday 04 November 2002 12:13, Harding, Rick wrote:
> > please unsubscribe me to this list.
>
> As a fellow subscriber...

Sorry about sending that to the whole list.  I hit "Reply To All" out of 
habit.

Kyle
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instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual
and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden
usurpations.
                                                  -James Madison




From griswld at cio.sc.gov  Tue Nov  5 01:17:44 2002
From: griswld at cio.sc.gov (Doug Griswold)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 19:17:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] need help bad!!! 
Message-ID: <sdc6c7e2.050@gwmail.state.sc.us>

I don't seem to be able to get any administrative requests.  Everything
looks good as far as I can tell.  I am getting one error in
/var/log/mailman/qrunner  it is "could not acquire qrunner lock"   I
installed this from redhat 8.0 distribution cd.  I don't receive info on
bounces or anything.  
 
This is mailman -2.0.13
I don't get any other errors in any of the logs.
 
Thanks,
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Nov  5 04:41:38 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 04 Nov 2002 22:41:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] two lists, same name, different domains
In-Reply-To: <3DC6B64A.13558.6834B01A@localhost>
References: <3DC6B64A.13558.6834B01A@localhost>
Message-ID: <1036467698.1642.18.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 18:02, Dan Langille wrote:
> Has anyone figured out how to run two lists in different domains but 
> with the same list name?
> 
> e.g. mylist at example.org & mylist at example.com
> -- 
> Dan Langille

Create the two mailman lists: mylist-org and mylist-com
Then alias them in your virtual user tables:
  mylist-org --> mylist at example.org
  mylist-com --> mylist at example.com

Of course you should also alias the mylist-request and mylist-owner
addresses for each domain.

Good Luck! 



From dan at langille.org  Tue Nov  5 04:47:47 2002
From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 22:47:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] two lists, same name, different domains
In-Reply-To: <1036467698.1642.18.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <3DC6B64A.13558.6834B01A@localhost>
Message-ID: <3DC6F913.1557.69399739@localhost>

On 4 Nov 2002 at 22:41, Jon Carnes wrote:

> On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 18:02, Dan Langille wrote:
> > Has anyone figured out how to run two lists in different domains but 
> > with the same list name?
> > 
> > e.g. mylist at example.org & mylist at example.com
> 
> Create the two mailman lists: mylist-org and mylist-com
> Then alias them in your virtual user tables:
>   mylist-org --> mylist at example.org
>   mylist-com --> mylist at example.com
> 
> Of course you should also alias the mylist-request and mylist-owner
> addresses for each domain.

Thank you.  When I create the lists, how would I use newlist for each 
list?
-- 
Dan Langille



From justin at jalcorn.net  Tue Nov  5 05:08:20 2002
From: justin at jalcorn.net (Justin Alcorn)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 23:08:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] need help bad!!!
References: <sdc6c7e2.050@gwmail.state.sc.us>
Message-ID: <3DC74434.5030203@jalcorn.net>

The qrunner lock problem means that another qrunner is running (and probably 
hung) or crashed and left it's locks behind.

This addresses the specific issue, but it does specifically say that it 
shouldn't happen with > 2.0.9.

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.019.htp

I suggest stopping all qrunner processes, checking the lock files, then 
restarting with `mailman start` to restart the qrunners.

Doug Griswold wrote:
> I don't seem to be able to get any administrative requests.  Everything 
> looks good as far as I can tell.  I am getting one error in 
> /var/log/mailman/qrunner  it is "could not acquire qrunner lock"   I 
> installed this from redhat 8.0 distribution cd.  I don't receive info on 
> bounces or anything. 
>  
> This is mailman -2.0.13
> I don't get any other errors in any of the logs.
>  
> Thanks,


-- 
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From antonin.hily at forpro-creteil.org  Tue Nov  5 07:28:25 2002
From: antonin.hily at forpro-creteil.org (antonin)
Date: 05 Nov 2002 07:28:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-i18n
Message-ID: <6808f64b922f191735df0433c768ea7d3dc76617@>

Hi, 

i'm french user of mailman and i'm looking for mailman-i18n to switch
mailman in french... 

where i can find it ? 

tanks a lot 

antonin 
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From brianr at bjsystems.co.uk  Tue Nov  5 07:45:21 2002
From: brianr at bjsystems.co.uk (Brian Read)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 06:45:21 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscribe
In-Reply-To: <1036433805.5595.67.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021104120624.03620170@email.wcc.vccs.edu>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20021104120624.03620170@email.wcc.vccs.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021105063748.0306edd0@server01>

just to clarify:

fred at ibm.com (fred bloggs)
and
fred bloggs <fred at ibm.com>

both work.

fred at ibm.com <fred bloggs>
and
fred bloggs (fred at ibm.com)

either fail with invalid email address or just fail to import the name.

That makes sense!

cheers

Brian


At 18:16 04/11/2002, Jon Carnes wrote:
>But don't do the below with Mailman 2.0.x.  The 2.0.x versions only
>allow email addresses, and attempts to include names with the email
>addresses will hose the list.
>
>Just a friendly warning!
>
>On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 12:07, David Carter-Tod wrote:
> > At 12:01 PM 11/4/2002 -0500, John Wards wrote:
> > >Brian Read <brianr at bjsystems.co.uk>
> > >John Wards <j.wards at sportnetwork.net>
> >
> > Do it like this in 2.1b3:
> >
> > brianr at bjsystems.co.uk (Brian Read)
> > j.wards at sportnetwork.net (John Wards)
> >
> > David
> > --
> > David Carter-Tod
> > <wccartd at wcc.vccs.edu>
> >
> > Instructional Technologist/Distance Education Contact
> > Wytheville Community College, 1000 E. Main St.,
> > Wytheville, VA 24382
> > (wk) 276-223-4784
> > http://www.wcc.vccs.edu/
> >
> > Online certificate in web site design:
> > http://www.wcc.vccs.edu/websiteDesign
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
> > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com
>
>
>
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From ingram_michael at attbi.com  Tue Nov  5 08:25:27 2002
From: ingram_michael at attbi.com (Mike Ingram)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:25:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] !Help with Configure
Message-ID: <027501c2849c$839a7e60$0801a8c0@jamicassidy>

Any help would be appreciated.

I want only one of the members of this list to be able to send to the list without being moderated.
I want all other members restricted from posting, or if that is not possible I want all of the other members' posts to require administrative approval. 

I have followed (I think) the instructions to do this (although I don't see a way to prevent posting of specific members entirely).  I suspect I am just getting bleary eyed and missing something obvious.

Thanks in advance for any help.  Mike
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From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Nov  5 10:03:11 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 01:03:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: personalization features (was Re: Archive URL
	in postings (2.1b3)) 
In-Reply-To: Message from barry@python.org (Barry A. Warsaw) 
	<15814.64777.406123.399535@gargle.gargle.HOWL> 
References: <E1D383AE-EB66-11D6-A331-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>
	<15235.1036165012@elisabeth.cfrq.net>
	<15814.64777.406123.399535@gargle.gargle.HOWL> 
Message-ID: <9659.1036486991@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:04:41 -0500 
Barry A Warsaw <barry at python.org> wrote:

>>>>>> "HK" == Harald Koch <chk at pobox.com> writes:

HK> Can this new To/Cc munging sub-option of personalisation be enabled
HK> or disabled separately from other personalisation tricks (like the
HK> personalised list-info URL you mentioned in the other thread)?

> Yes, and it wouldn't be hard, although it would require yet another
> list configuration variable.

> Is it worth it for MM2.1?  

I'd sure like it, and it would speed acceptance/deployment at work.

-- 
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---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
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From info at lashampoo.com  Tue Nov  5 12:39:11 2002
From: info at lashampoo.com (Michael)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:39:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Base URL for virtualhosts... again!
Message-ID: <33C8D766-F0B3-11D6-97E0-003065AC34F2@lashampoo.com>

Hi guys,

I am a new Mailman user. I run my own server with several virtualhosts 
on it. I try to figure out, how to change the base URL of lists hosted 
on my virtualhosts. Every time a new list is created on a virtual host, 
the default url is set back to the main server again, instead of the 
virtualhost, hosting that list.

I don't kown a thing about Python. I've already red the previous 
responses regarding the Base URL question, but couldn't figure how to 
use fix_url.py  Can someone give me a step by step procedure to change 
to Base URL on some of my lists (not every list) ?

Second question: why did you remove the Base URL attached to each list 
from the web interface ?

Why use and fix_url script instead ?

One though: as the alias path in the default Apache configuration does 
not refer to any host in particular, it works with any virtual host 
(i.e. www.virtualhost1.com/mailman/admin and 
www.virtualhost2.com/mailman/admin lead to the same admin interface). 
So why not set the Base URL of a list to the virtualhost on which the 
list was created?

Thanks for your help.



From justin at jalcorn.net  Tue Nov  5 12:42:13 2002
From: justin at jalcorn.net (Justin Alcorn)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 06:42:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] !Help with Configure
References: <027501c2849c$839a7e60$0801a8c0@jamicassidy>
Message-ID: <3DC7AE95.6090102@jalcorn.net>

Depends on what version you are running.

If you are running 2.0.x, set 'restrict posting to list members' to 'No' (I 
know, it's counter intuitive).  Then put the addresses that can post into the 
'addresses that can post without admin approval'.   That has the affect of 
allowing ONLY those addresses to post directly.

In 2.1.x, the control is under Privacy options->Sender Filters.  Make everyone 
moderated by default (you  can even just discard or reject posts that are 
moderated)

Then put the automatic posters into 'accept_these_nonmembers'.  It looks like it 
should actually be called 'accept_these_posters' , since it seems that the 
emails can be members or not.

Mike Ingram wrote:
> Any help would be appreciated.
>  
> I want only one of the members of this list to be able to send to the 
> list without being moderated.
> I want all other members restricted from posting, or if that is not 
> possible I want all of the other members' posts to require 
> administrative approval.
>  
> I have followed (I think) the instructions to do this (although I don't 
> see a way to prevent posting of specific members entirely).  I suspect I 
> am just getting bleary eyed and missing something obvious.
>  
> Thanks in advance for any help.  Mike


-- 
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From stephane.mitchell at hp.com  Tue Nov  5 16:25:58 2002
From: stephane.mitchell at hp.com (MITCHELL,STEPHANE (HP-France,ex2))
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:25:58 +0100 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.0.3
Message-ID: <869A24EE1E5ED511A39900D0B708C770040EFF25@gauguin.france.hp.com>

Hello,

I am novice with Mailman, but I have to admistrate it :o)

I get this message when I try to open my Web interface for administration :

Bug in Mailman version 2.0.3

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this
information in the Mailman error logs. 

In logs files, I found : ARCHIVES CORRUPT ... I have renamed my <list>.mbox
to <list>.mbox.sav, created a new <list>.mbox 
and run ./arch
I have always the save message...
I tried to find anything in the logs files, but I found nothing explicite ! 

My OS is HP UX 10.20

Thank's for any help !

Stephane Mitchell

PS. Sorry for my english, I'm French :o)


From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Nov  5 16:47:42 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 05 Nov 2002 10:47:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] two lists, same name, different domains
In-Reply-To: <3DC6F913.1557.69399739@localhost>
References: <3DC6B64A.13558.6834B01A@localhost> 
	<3DC6F913.1557.69399739@localhost>
Message-ID: <1036511263.5539.15.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

~mailman/bin/newlist mylist-com
  fill-out the fields and copy the aliases to your /etc/aliases file
  Then in your virtusertab:
      mylist at example.com           mylist-com
      mylist-request at example.com   mylist-com-request
      mylist-admin at example.com     mylist-com-admin
  In the mailman config for the list, setup:
      hostname this list prefers:  example.com
      Base URL for Mailman...   :  http://www.example.com/mailman

~mailman/bin/newlist mylist-org
  fill-out the fields and copy the aliases to your /etc/aliases file
  Then in your virtusertab:
      mylist at example.org           mylist-org
      mylist-request at example.org   mylist-org-request
      mylist-admin at example.org     mylist-org-admin
  In the mailman config for the list, setup:
      hostname this list prefers:  example.org
      Base URL for Mailman...   :  http://www.example.org/mailman

This assumes that you are running both domains as Virtual.
If you are running Sendmail, you may wish to use the Generics Table to
reverse alias any email originating from the server:
   mylist-com at realdomain.com          mylist at example.com
   mylist-com-request at realdomain.com  mylist-request at example.com
   mylist-com-admin at realdomain.com    mylist-admin at example.com
   mylist-org at realdomain.com          mylist at example.org
   mylist-org-request at realdomain.com  mylist-request at example.org
   mylist-org-admin at realdomain.com    mylist-admin at example.org
     

Viola!  Your two lists on your two virtual domains running from your
real domain.
Hope this helps -- Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 22:47, Dan Langille wrote:
> On 4 Nov 2002 at 22:41, Jon Carnes wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 18:02, Dan Langille wrote:
> > > Has anyone figured out how to run two lists in different domains but 
> > > with the same list name?
> > > 
> > > e.g. mylist at example.org & mylist at example.com
> > 
> > Create the two mailman lists: mylist-org and mylist-com
> > Then alias them in your virtual user tables:
> >   mylist-org --> mylist at example.org
> >   mylist-com --> mylist at example.com
> > 
> > Of course you should also alias the mylist-request and mylist-owner
> > addresses for each domain.
> 
> Thank you.  When I create the lists, how would I use newlist for each 
> list?
> -- 
> Dan Langille
> 




From wccartd at wcc.vccs.edu  Tue Nov  5 16:26:33 2002
From: wccartd at wcc.vccs.edu (David Carter-Tod)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 10:26:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] !Help with Configure
In-Reply-To: <E18926t-00031P-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021105101550.01da7968@email.wcc.vccs.edu>

At 06:43 AM 11/5/2002 -0500, "Mike Ingram" <ingram_michael at attbi.com> wrote:
>I want only one of the members of this list to be able to send to the list 
>without being moderated.
>I want all other members restricted from posting, or if that is not 
>possible I want all of the other members' posts to require administrative 
>approval.
>
>I have followed (I think) the instructions to do this (although I don't 
>see a way to prevent posting of specific members entirely).  I suspect I 
>am just getting bleary eyed and missing something obvious.

Depends on the version, but you're basically looking for a newsletter-style 
list:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp

In 2.1b you'll probably need to auto-discard postings by moderated members.

Relatedly, what I'd like to know is if there is a command-line way to set a 
certain member to be non-moderated, or alternatively to allow a certain 
non-subscribed address to post (again via the command line).

David
--
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From mleisher at crl.nmsu.edu  Tue Nov  5 18:12:38 2002
From: mleisher at crl.nmsu.edu (Mark Leisher)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:12:38 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin password problem
Message-ID: <15815.64518.433595.744641@helion.crl.nmsu.edu>

Setup:
  Solaris 2.8
  Python 2.2.2
  Mailman 2.0.13
  Mozilla 1.1 (Enable all cookies)

List and site passwords always fail authentication.  Any relevant clues?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark Leisher
Computing Research Lab                    But blogging's political bias
New Mexico State University               is not so much left/right as
Box 30001, Dept. 3CRL                     anti-idiot.
Las Cruces, NM  88003                          -- Glenn Reynolds


From michael at makingthings.com  Tue Nov  5 20:51:47 2002
From: michael at makingthings.com (michael shiloh)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:51:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new to mailman; can't find list web page
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211051140040.12519-100000@magritte.magrittesystems.com>

hi,

i've long admired mailman as a user and finally decided to
add it to my own server. my setup:

redhat 7.3 with most updates
linux 2.4.9-21
python 1.5.2
sendmail 8.11.6
mailman 2.0.13
Apache 1.3.22

i've read the readme, readme.linux, readme.apache and the
faq. i've tried the troubleshooting, and i've looked at my 
syslog files, but i can't figure this out:

i user "newlist" to create my test list, and i get this
email:

  The mailing list `test' has just been created for you.  The following
  is some basic information about your mailing list.

  You can configure your mailing list at the following web page:

    http://www.magrittesystems.com/mailman/admin/test

however, i don't see this page anywhere. i do see a
new directory /home/mailman/lists/test, but not this
admin/test. i'm guessing i'm missing some web server
configuration, but i'm not sure what.

any suggestions?

thanks,
michael



From davin at pacifier.com  Tue Nov  5 21:31:40 2002
From: davin at pacifier.com (Davin Dahlgren)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:31:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce handling
Message-ID: <02ca01c2850a$5c3a0a70$3201a8c0@DAVIN>

We are having some trouble with bounces. We are getting a lot of emails
back with "unknown user" "invalid recipient" "mailbox full" and "host
not found." We are having to unsubscribe these addresses one by one
manually because Mailman does not seem to be dealing with them. Isn't it
supposed to take action on these types of responses? If not, is there
some automated way of handling these things?

 

Davin Dahlgren

 

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From davin at pacifier.com  Tue Nov  5 21:31:40 2002
From: davin at pacifier.com (Davin Dahlgren)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:31:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stats
Message-ID: <02c501c2850a$5be42240$3201a8c0@DAVIN>

Has anyone written a program that will give me some stats on Mailman's
progress? Percent complete, how many have gone out, how many are yet to
go, etc.?

 

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From jeremyp at pobox.com  Tue Nov  5 21:49:40 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 05 Nov 2002 15:49:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new to mailman; can't find list web page
In-Reply-To: 
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0211051140040.12519-100000@magritte.magrittesystems.com>
References: 
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0211051140040.12519-100000@magritte.magrittesystems.com>
Message-ID: <1036529381.2576.32.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 14:51, michael shiloh wrote:
 
> i user "newlist" to create my test list, and i get this
> email:
> 
>   The mailing list `test' has just been created for you.  The following
>   is some basic information about your mailing list.
> 
>   You can configure your mailing list at the following web page:
> 
>     http://www.magrittesystems.com/mailman/admin/test
> 
> however, i don't see this page anywhere. i do see a
> new directory /home/mailman/lists/test, but not this
> admin/test. i'm guessing i'm missing some web server
> configuration, but i'm not sure what.

The web server configuration is pretty simple.  It's clearly documented
in the installation instructions.  Look at section 4. Final system
set-up in the INSTALL file.   It tells you how to set up your web server
there.

--Jeremy



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Nov  5 22:11:12 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 05 Nov 2002 16:11:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stats
In-Reply-To: <02c501c2850a$5be42240$3201a8c0@DAVIN>
References: <02c501c2850a$5be42240$3201a8c0@DAVIN>
Message-ID: <1036530673.5539.52.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

So you're looking for a script to deliver real-time stats on what
Mailman is currently doing?  Sounds like it would be useful.  I'll see
if I can't crank out a script to look in all the right places.

Jon Carnes
=== 
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 15:31, Davin Dahlgren wrote:
> Has anyone written a program that will give me some stats on Mailman's
> progress? Percent complete, how many have gone out, how many are yet to
> go, etc.?
> 
>  
> 
> Davin Dahlgren
> 
>  
> 




From michael at makingthings.com  Tue Nov  5 22:30:48 2002
From: michael at makingthings.com (michael shiloh)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:30:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new to mailman; can't find list web page
In-Reply-To: <1036529381.2576.32.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211051307330.12519-100000@magritte.magrittesystems.com>

thanks for replying, jeremy. i'm afraid i'm still in the
dark. here's what it says in that section, and what i did:

  - If you plan on running your MTA and web server on
    different machines,

nope; it's all on the same machine

  - Configure your web server to give $prefix/cgi-bin
  permission to run CGI scripts.  

done. here's what i added to my httpd.conf file:

  ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
  <Directory "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/">
      AllowOverride None
      Options ExecCGI
      Order allow,deny
      Allow from all
  </Directory>

next:

    - You want to be very sure that the user id under which
      your CGI scripts run is *not* in the `mailman' group you
      created above, otherwise private archives will be 
      accessible to anyone.

i haven't dealt with this yet.

next:

  - Copy the Mailman, Python, and GNU logos to a location accessible

i haven't dealt with this yet either. right now i'm not
concerned about logos.

next:

  - Configure your web server to point to the Pipermail public

done:

  Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/

finally i restart my httpd and yet i still have that same
error described below.

should mailman create a webpage for my list? if so, where?
if i could know this i could point my server at it.


thanks again,
michael






On 5 Nov 2002, Jeremy Portzer wrote:

> On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 14:51, michael shiloh wrote:
>  
> > i user "newlist" to create my test list, and i get this
> > email:
> > 
> >   The mailing list `test' has just been created for you.  The following
> >   is some basic information about your mailing list.
> > 
> >   You can configure your mailing list at the following web page:
> > 
> >     http://www.magrittesystems.com/mailman/admin/test
> > 
> > however, i don't see this page anywhere. i do see a
> > new directory /home/mailman/lists/test, but not this
> > admin/test. i'm guessing i'm missing some web server
> > configuration, but i'm not sure what.
> 
> The web server configuration is pretty simple.  It's clearly documented
> in the installation instructions.  Look at section 4. Final system
> set-up in the INSTALL file.   It tells you how to set up your web server
> there.
> 
> --Jeremy
> 

-- 



From webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org  Tue Nov  5 22:40:30 2002
From: webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org (MCV Webmaster)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:40:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Virtual Hosting - my findings
Message-ID: <9121.161.114.1.182.1036532430.squirrel@www.fifedrum.org>

Hi,

New mailman user here. I have been reading all the archives for a couple
of days now on how to configure mailman in a virtual host environment. I
have to say, the documention isn't very clear or really does not even
contain that much on the subject. Oh, I am using MM 2.0.13-1 on RH Linux.

First, thanks to Jon Carnes from earlier today for his post about
modifying virtusertable and genericstable. That was invaluable. It should
go in the documentation, or the FAQ at the very least.

I have come to the conclusion that you really can't do virtual hosting
with Mailman all that well from a single installation; the best thing to
do for virtual hosting is to have multiple installations. Here is how I
came to that conclusion (at least for my situation):

1) When you create a list with "newlist", the info mail sent to the list
manager always contains a base URL from the "real" host name of the
server.
Q: Is there a way to set the base URL and prefered host name of a list at
the time of creation? As I said, I am new to this so maybe I just haven't
seen the right documentation yet.

2) Even with VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW=1, lists you want virtually hosted
still show up on the "admin" list of lists even after you have changed the
list's base URL and prefered host name. Maybe this is just a bug? Anyway,
I wasn't expecting to see my list there except when the admin page was
referenced via my virtually hosted domain name. It disappears from the
listinfo page just fine (as expected).

and finally (the killer for me)

3) As my server is configured now, I can't run the "default" mailman
installation. The reason is because I "suexec" my CGI scripts for my
virtual domain (via User and Group Apache directives in my VirtualHost
configuration). As set up now, Mailman is not installed in a directory
tree under which "suexec" is currently configured to allow running scripts
from (default is /var/www or something like that in a default RedHat
install I believe).

I believe the only way for me to get around #3 above is to have my own
private copy of mailman in a place I can run my own scripts from under
suExec. If I didn't have Apache User and Group settings, I don't believe I
would have this particular problem.

Those are my findings. YMMV. I hope Mailman 2.1 or later can improve on
this because otherwise, I like it a lot.

Please educate me if I am wrong about something.
Thanks!

-- 
Jeff Donsbach
Webmaster and Bass Drummer
The Middlesex County Volunteers Fifes and Drums
W. Medford, MA
http://www.mcvfifesanddrums.org/






From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net  Tue Nov  5 22:47:56 2002
From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:47:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce handling
In-Reply-To: <02ca01c2850a$5c3a0a70$3201a8c0@DAVIN>;
	from davin@pacifier.com on Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 12:31:40PM -0800
References: <02ca01c2850a$5c3a0a70$3201a8c0@DAVIN>
Message-ID: <20021105164756.B27389@dogpound.vnet.net>

Look at the Bounce Options in the web administrative interface.

http://HOST/mailman/admin/LISTNAME/bounce

There you can set the options your asking for.

* Davin Dahlgren (davin at pacifier.com) wrote:
> We are having some trouble with bounces. We are getting a lot of emails
> back with "unknown user" "invalid recipient" "mailbox full" and "host
> not found." We are having to unsubscribe these addresses one by one
> manually because Mailman does not seem to be dealing with them. Isn't it
> supposed to take action on these types of responses? If not, is there
> some automated way of handling these things?

--
Matthew Davis
http://dogpound.vnet.net/
----------------------------------------------------------------
A cat is always on the wrong side of a door.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Tuesday, November 05, 2002 / 04:46PM


From jeremyp at pobox.com  Tue Nov  5 22:58:12 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 05 Nov 2002 16:58:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new to mailman; can't find list web page
In-Reply-To: 
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0211051307330.12519-100000@magritte.magrittesystems.com>
References: 
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0211051307330.12519-100000@magritte.magrittesystems.com>
Message-ID: <1036533492.2576.40.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 16:30, michael shiloh wrote:
> thanks for replying, jeremy. i'm afraid i'm still in the
> dark. here's what it says in that section, and what i did:
[snip]
>   - Configure your web server to give $prefix/cgi-bin
>   permission to run CGI scripts.  
> 
> done. here's what i added to my httpd.conf file:
> 
>   ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
>   <Directory "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/">
>       AllowOverride None
>       Options ExecCGI
>       Order allow,deny
>       Allow from all
>   </Directory>
> 
[snip]
> 
>   - Configure your web server to point to the Pipermail public
> 
> done:
> 
>   Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
> 
> finally i restart my httpd and yet i still have that same
> error described below.

What is the error exactly?  You never really said.

> should mailman create a webpage for my list? if so, where?
> if i could know this i could point my server at it.

They aren't static web pages, they are CGI scripts.  And they should be
working fine -- you did the correct steps.  Although I think the
following should work better:

ScriptAlias /mailman	/home/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail 	/home/mailman/archives/public/  

Note that there are no trailing slashes after the alias names.  And you
don't the need the <Directory> section; the ScriptAlias token eliminate
the need for the ExecCGI option (it's automatically a CGI directory).

Again, what is the exact error message you're receiving?

--Jeremy



From danny at terweij.nl  Tue Nov  5 23:27:06 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:27:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce handling
References: <02ca01c2850a$5c3a0a70$3201a8c0@DAVIN>
	<20021105164756.B27389@dogpound.vnet.net>
Message-ID: <007501c2851a$79050050$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>

Matthew,

Davin has right. At the Latetst CVS version there is a bounce problem.
I have put the whole bouncing to "no" on all my lists. It generated too much
emails :(

Danny.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Davis" <bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net>
To: <danny at terweij.nl>
Cc: "Mailman mailing list management users" <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] bounce handling


> Look at the Bounce Options in the web administrative interface.
>
> http://HOST/mailman/admin/LISTNAME/bounce
>
> There you can set the options your asking for.
>
> * Davin Dahlgren (davin at pacifier.com) wrote:
> > We are having some trouble with bounces. We are getting a lot of emails
> > back with "unknown user" "invalid recipient" "mailbox full" and "host
> > not found." We are having to unsubscribe these addresses one by one
> > manually because Mailman does not seem to be dealing with them. Isn't it
> > supposed to take action on these types of responses? If not, is there
> > some automated way of handling these things?
>
> --
> Matthew Davis
> http://dogpound.vnet.net/
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> A cat is always on the wrong side of a door.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Tuesday, November 05, 2002 / 04:46PM
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> This message was sent to: danny at terweij.nl
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/danny%40terweij.nl



From info at lashampoo.com  Tue Nov  5 23:22:08 2002
From: info at lashampoo.com (Michael)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:22:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Virtual Hosting - my findings
In-Reply-To: <33C8D766-F0B3-11D6-97E0-003065AC34F2@lashampoo.com>
Message-ID: <058300F7-F10D-11D6-AE14-003065AC34F2@lashampoo.com>

> 1) When you create a list with "newlist", the info mail sent to the 
> list manager always contains a base URL from the "real" host name of 
> the server.
> Q: Is there a way to set the base URL and prefered host name of a list 
> at the time of creation? As I said, I am new to this so maybe I just 
> haven't seen the right documentation yet.


That's the question I was asking this morning:

I run my own server with several virtualhosts on it. I try to figure 
out, how to change the base URL of lists hosted on my virtualhosts. 
Every time a new list is created on a virtual host, the default URL is 
set back to the main server again, instead of the virtualhost, hosting 
that list. Only the email refering to that virtualhost is properly 
handled on the web pages and in the messages.

Why did the last version of Mailman removed the Base URL attached to 
each list from the web interface ?

One though: as the Mailman alias path in the Apache configuration does 
not refer to any host in particular, it works with any virtual host 
(i.e. www.virtualhost1.com/mailman/admin and 
www.virtualhost2.com/mailman/admin lead to the same admin interface). 
So why not set during the new list creation, the Base URL of the new 
list to the virtualhost on which the list was created?

Jon Carnes explained this morning on the list how to set Mailman to act 
with two different domains on the same machine. But is the Web URL 
given in each email message is properly given by Mailman though ?

Michael.



From michael at makingthings.com  Wed Nov  6 00:37:17 2002
From: michael at makingthings.com (michael shiloh)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:37:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new to mailman; can't find list web page
In-Reply-To: <1036533492.2576.40.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211051534580.12519-100000@magritte.magrittesystems.com>

On 5 Nov 2002, Jeremy Portzer wrote:

> > should mailman create a webpage for my list? if so, where?
> > if i could know this i could point my server at it.
> 
> They aren't static web pages, they are CGI scripts.  

aha! that explains it. forgive me, i've never worked with
CGI scripts. i was searching for the static web page, and
when i didn't find one, thought that was an error.

now that you explained this to me, i went on and all seems
much better.


thanks so much,
michael shiloh



From raquel at thericehouse.net  Wed Nov  6 00:33:08 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:33:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Virtual Hosting - my findings
In-Reply-To: <058300F7-F10D-11D6-AE14-003065AC34F2@lashampoo.com>
References: <33C8D766-F0B3-11D6-97E0-003065AC34F2@lashampoo.com>
	<058300F7-F10D-11D6-AE14-003065AC34F2@lashampoo.com>
Message-ID: <20021105153308.0609884b.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:22:08 +0100
Michael <info at lashampoo.com> wrote:

> > 1) When you create a list with "newlist", the info mail sent to
> > the list manager always contains a base URL from the "real" host
> > name of the server.
> > Q: Is there a way to set the base URL and prefered host name of
> > a list at the time of creation? As I said, I am new to this so
> > maybe I just haven't seen the right documentation yet.
> 
> 
> That's the question I was asking this morning:
> 

There is no mention of which version either of you are using.  There
are things which change from version to version.  In a generic way,
your questions have been answered.  Depending upon which version
you're using, your question may have been answered specifically.  We
are all volunteers, responding to questions as we have the time and
as we feel we're able.  Have you checked the archives of this list? 
While you're answering the questions I've asked you and waiting for
me to have a few seconds in an already very busy schedule, maybe you
can check that out?

--
Raquel
============================================================
It is only with the heart that we see rightly; what is essential is
invisible to the eye.
  --Antoine de Saint Exup?ry



From info at lashampoo.com  Wed Nov  6 01:25:00 2002
From: info at lashampoo.com (Michael)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:25:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Virtual Hosting - my findings
In-Reply-To: <20021105153308.0609884b.raquel@thericehouse.net>
Message-ID: <2F64F6FE-F11E-11D6-89C9-003065AC34F2@lashampoo.com>

Raquel Rice wrote :

>>> 1) When you create a list with "newlist", the info mail sent to the 
>>> list manager always contains a base URL from the "real" host name of 
>>> the server.
>>> Q: Is there a way to set the base URL and prefered host name of a 
>>> list at the time of creation? As I said, I am new to this so maybe I 
>>> just haven't seen the right documentation yet.
>>
>>
>> That's the question I was asking this morning:
>>
>
> There is no mention of which version either of you are using.  There 
> are things which change from version to version.  In a generic way, 
> your questions have been answered.  Depending upon which version 
> you're using, your question may have been answered specifically.  We 
> are all volunteers, responding to questions as we have the time and as 
> we feel we're able.  Have you checked the archives of this list?  
> While you're answering the questions I've asked you and waiting for me 
> to have a few seconds in an already very busy schedule, maybe you can 
> check that out?


You're right Raquel, but I was just pointing out the fact many people 
on this list were looking for the same thing. That's all. I was not 
yelling or being impatient, and didn't mean to hurt your sensibility. 
You seem to be very busy indeed. Keep cool Raquel. ;-)

For you question, I'm actually using version 2.1b4

As I said on this list, I've already search the archives for that 
answer before posting any new question. It seems to have no solution 
for multi-hosting since version 2.1. The feature "Base URL for Mailman 
web interface." in the web interface "General Option Sections" seems 
have been removed in the version 2.1 but was existing in the version 
previous version 2.0

Or am I wrong ?

Michael.



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Nov  6 01:43:25 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:43:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stats 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jon Carnes <jonc@nc.rr.com> 
	<1036530673.5539.52.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> 
References: <02c501c2850a$5be42240$3201a8c0@DAVIN>
	<1036530673.5539.52.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> 
Message-ID: <24099.1036543405@kanga.nu>

On 05 Nov 2002 16:11:12 -0500 
Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com> wrote:

> So you're looking for a script to deliver real-time stats on what
> Mailman is currently doing?  Sounds like it would be useful.  I'll see
> if I can't crank out a script to look in all the right places.

> On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 15:31, Davin Dahlgren wrote:

>> Has anyone written a program that will give me some stats on
>> Mailman's progress? Percent complete, how many have gone out, how
>> many are yet to go, etc.?

You'll get useless numbers.

Mailman hands off to the MTA.  The MTA hands off to an MX (primary,
secondary, whatever).  Some number of transits later, and it can be
quite large, the messages arrives at a mailbox, is bounced, or silently
disappears.

Now what do you want to metricise?  The Mailman hand-off to the MTA?
The MTA hand-off to a remote MX?  For what MTA?

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov  6 02:00:26 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 05 Nov 2002 20:00:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stats
In-Reply-To: <24099.1036543405@kanga.nu>
References: <02c501c2850a$5be42240$3201a8c0@DAVIN> 
	<24099.1036543405@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <1036544427.5539.64.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

I was looking at the current number of qfiles and the oldest queued up
files as a start. Give a list of messages/list currently being worked on
and the times the messages arrived for processing. Also a list of all
current qrunner's and how long each has been running.

Then looking at the logs to get a graph of how quickly a list normally
sends (based on the log entries), both by percent and by pure numbers.

Since I'm looking at the logs I thought of looking at some other "tuning
stats" to try and give config recommendations to users...  Though that
would definitely be functionality for a second version of the script.

... But if you think its all useless info, JC, I'll just stop now :-)

Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 19:43, J C Lawrence wrote:
> On 05 Nov 2002 16:11:12 -0500 
> Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> > So you're looking for a script to deliver real-time stats on what
> > Mailman is currently doing?  Sounds like it would be useful.  I'll see
> > if I can't crank out a script to look in all the right places.
> 
> > On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 15:31, Davin Dahlgren wrote:
> 
> >> Has anyone written a program that will give me some stats on
> >> Mailman's progress? Percent complete, how many have gone out, how
> >> many are yet to go, etc.?
> 
> You'll get useless numbers.
> 
> Mailman hands off to the MTA.  The MTA hands off to an MX (primary,
> secondary, whatever).  Some number of transits later, and it can be
> quite large, the messages arrives at a mailbox, is bounced, or silently
> disappears.
> 
> Now what do you want to metricise?  The Mailman hand-off to the MTA?
> The MTA hand-off to a remote MX?  For what MTA?
> 
> -- 
> J C Lawrence                
> ---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
> claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
> http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.
> 




From raquel at thericehouse.net  Wed Nov  6 02:01:34 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:01:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Virtual Hosting - my findings
In-Reply-To: <2F64F6FE-F11E-11D6-89C9-003065AC34F2@lashampoo.com>
References: <20021105153308.0609884b.raquel@thericehouse.net>
	<2F64F6FE-F11E-11D6-89C9-003065AC34F2@lashampoo.com>
Message-ID: <20021105170134.6eafda78.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:25:00 +0100
Michael <info at lashampoo.com> wrote:

> Raquel Rice wrote :
> 
> >>> 1) When you create a list with "newlist", the info mail sent
> >to the >> list manager always contains a base URL from the "real"
> >host name of >> the server.
> >>> Q: Is there a way to set the base URL and prefered host name
> >of a >> list at the time of creation? As I said, I am new to this
> >so maybe I >> just haven't seen the right documentation yet.
> >>
> >>
> >> That's the question I was asking this morning:
> >>
> >
> > There is no mention of which version either of you are using. 
> > There are things which change from version to version.  In a
> > generic way, your questions have been answered.  Depending upon
> > which version you're using, your question may have been answered
> > specifically.  We are all volunteers, responding to questions as
> > we have the time and as we feel we're able.  Have you checked
> > the archives of this list?  While you're answering the questions
> > I've asked you and waiting for me to have a few seconds in an
> > already very busy schedule, maybe you can check that out?
> 
> 
> You're right Raquel, but I was just pointing out the fact many
> people on this list were looking for the same thing. That's all. I
> was not yelling or being impatient, and didn't mean to hurt your
> sensibility. You seem to be very busy indeed. Keep cool Raquel.
> ;-)
> 
> For you question, I'm actually using version 2.1b4
> 
> As I said on this list, I've already search the archives for that 
> answer before posting any new question. It seems to have no
> solution for multi-hosting since version 2.1. The feature "Base
> URL for Mailman web interface." in the web interface "General
> Option Sections" seems have been removed in the version 2.1 but
> was existing in the version previous version 2.0
> 
> Or am I wrong ?
> 
> Michael.

Of course, it may have changed from 2.1b3 to version 2.1b4, but you
may want to check out "Defaults.py".  This is found in the archives.
 It does not give you the ability to have two list names which are
the same, on two different domains however.  (You'll have to work
with the line lengths below)

# Mailman needs to know about (at least) two fully-qualified domain
# names(fqdn); 1) the hostname used in your urls, and 2) the
# hostname used in email addresses for your domain.  For example, if
# people visit your Mailman system with "http://www.dom.ain/mailman"
# then your url fqdn is "www.dom.ain", and if people send mail to
# your system via "yourlist at dom.ain" then your email fqdn is
# "dom.ain".  DEFAULT_URL_HOST controls the former, and
# DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST controls the latter.  Mailman also needs to
# know how to map from one to the other (this is especially
# important if you're running with virtual domains).  You use
# "add_virtualhost(urlfqdn, emailfqdn)" to add new mappings.
#
# If you don't need to change DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and
# DEFAULT_URL_HOST in your mm_cfg.py, then you're done; the default
# mapping is added automatically.  If however you change either
# variable in your mm_cfg.py, then be sure to also include the
# following:
#
#     add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
#
# because otherwise the default mappings won't be correct.





--
Raquel
============================================================
It is only with the heart that we see rightly; what is essential is
invisible to the eye.
  --Antoine de Saint Exup?ry



From sb.list at sb.org  Wed Nov  6 02:04:03 2002
From: sb.list at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 20:04:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Virtual Hosting - my findings
In-Reply-To: <058300F7-F10D-11D6-AE14-003065AC34F2@lashampoo.com>
Message-ID: <B9EDD4B3.4C5BC%sb.list@sb.org>

On 11/5/02 5:22 PM, "Michael" <info at lashampoo.com> wrote:

> I run my own server with several virtualhosts on it. I try to figure
> out, how to change the base URL of lists hosted on my virtualhosts.
> Every time a new list is created on a virtual host, the default URL is
> set back to the main server again, instead of the virtualhost, hosting
> that list. Only the email refering to that virtualhost is properly
> handled on the web pages and in the messages.

Are you adding an add_virtualhost() call for each domain in your mm_cfg.py
file?

I had similar problems until I added a domain this way before I created a
list in the domain.

 - Stoney



From info at lashampoo.com  Wed Nov  6 02:19:17 2002
From: info at lashampoo.com (Michael)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 02:19:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Virtual Hosting - my findings
In-Reply-To: <B9EDD4B3.4C5BC%sb.list@sb.org>
Message-ID: <C4F26EDD-F125-11D6-AA6E-003065AC34F2@lashampoo.com>

Stonewall Ballard wrote :

>> I run my own server with several virtualhosts on it. I try to figure 
>> out, how to change the base URL of lists hosted on my virtualhosts. 
>> Every time a new list is created on a virtual host, the default URL 
>> is set back to the main server again, instead of the virtualhost, 
>> hosting that list. Only the email refering to that virtualhost is 
>> properly handled on the web pages and in the messages.
>
> Are you adding an add_virtualhost() call for each domain in your 
> mm_cfg.py file?
> I had similar problems until I added a domain this way before I 
> created a list in the domain.


Woow! Thanks Ballard.

Yes I had added my domains in my mm_cfg.py configuration but my old 
lists didn't reflected the changes.

Your trick worked fine. I just had to back up my archives then to 
remove the lists and create them again to find my problems solved!

Thanks again.
Michael.



From ingram_michael at attbi.com  Wed Nov  6 05:10:44 2002
From: ingram_michael at attbi.com (Mike Ingram)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:10:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] !Not sending list mail
Message-ID: <022f01c2854a$7a697180$0801a8c0@jamicassidy>

My new installation of 2.0 is using Sendmail. 

The welcome letters appear to be going out ok, but sending a message to the list does not seem to work.

Where should I start looking?  Wrappers......trappers.....zappers?  :-)

Thanks, Mike
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From webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org  Wed Nov  6 05:38:39 2002
From: webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org (MCV Webmaster)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:38:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Virtual Hosting - my findings
In-Reply-To: <20021105153308.0609884b.raquel@thericehouse.net>
References: <33C8D766-F0B3-11D6-97E0-003065AC34F2@lashampoo.com>
        <058300F7-F10D-11D6-AE14-003065AC34F2@lashampoo.com>
        <20021105153308.0609884b.raquel@thericehouse.net>
Message-ID: <2624.66.189.48.9.1036557519.squirrel@www.fifedrum.org>


My original message said I was using 2.0.13

> On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:22:08 +0100
> Michael <info at lashampoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> There is no mention of which version either of you are using.  --
Jeff Donsbach
Webmaster and Bass Drummer
The Middlesex County Volunteers Fifes and Drums
W. Medford, MA





From barry at python.org  Wed Nov  6 05:39:25 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:39:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: personalization features (was Re: Archive URL
	in postings (2.1b3)) 
References: <E1D383AE-EB66-11D6-A331-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>
	<15235.1036165012@elisabeth.cfrq.net>
	<15814.64777.406123.399535@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<9659.1036486991@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <15816.40189.651412.44807@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "JCL" == J C Lawrence <claw at kanga.nu> writes:

    >>>>> "HK" == Harald Koch <chk at pobox.com> writes:

    HK> Can this new To/Cc munging sub-option of personalisation be
    HK> enabled or disabled separately from other personalisation
    HK> tricks (like the personalised list-info URL you mentioned in
    HK> the other thread)?

    [Me]
    >> Yes, and it wouldn't be hard, although it would require yet
    >> another list configuration variable.

    >> Is it worth it for MM2.1?

    JCL> I'd sure like it, and it would speed acceptance/deployment at
    JCL> work.

I just realized it wouldn't need another configuration variable, but
just to expand the personalization variable to be 3-way.  So now you
can set it to "No", "Yes", or "Full Personalization" with the latter
meaning to also munge the To header.  Seems like a reasonable
compromise for MM2.1.

-Barry



From jwblist at olympus.net  Wed Nov  6 06:47:58 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:47:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Base URL for virtualhosts... again!
In-Reply-To: <33C8D766-F0B3-11D6-97E0-003065AC34F2@lashampoo.com>
References: <33C8D766-F0B3-11D6-97E0-003065AC34F2@lashampoo.com>
Message-ID: <p05200f01b9ee5bfd1de1@[192.168.1.50]>

At 12:39 +0100 11/5/2002, Michael wrote:
>Second question: why did you remove the Base URL attached to each list
>from the web interface ?

If you could do a suitably fuzzy search of the older archives for "a list
admin set the Base URL wrong and we can't do anything" you would see lots
of posts about variations on that theme.  And the unpleasant means of
recovery particularly for those lacking heavy-duty access to the server.

It used to be much too easy to create havoc by making a faulty change.  Now
it's a little to hard to make a correct change.

Seemingly, no one has felt moved to create code that would vette an
attempted change and forestall the fatal errors.  I don't want to attempt
it.

  --John
-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA


From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Nov  6 06:52:56 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 21:52:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stats 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jon Carnes <jonc@nc.rr.com> 
	<1036544427.5539.64.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> 
References: <02c501c2850a$5be42240$3201a8c0@DAVIN>
	<1036530673.5539.52.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> <24099.1036543405@kanga.nu>
	<1036544427.5539.64.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> 
Message-ID: <28250.1036561976@kanga.nu>

On 05 Nov 2002 20:00:26 -0500 
Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com> wrote:

> I was looking at the current number of qfiles and the oldest queued up
> files as a start. Give a list of messages/list currently being worked
> on and the times the messages arrived for processing. Also a list of
> all current qrunner's and how long each has been running.

Assuming a reasonably sized machine (not big), and a list of say 5,000
members with a RCPT TO bundling of say 5, a single post will drain to a
reasonably setup (local DNS, no verify, etc) MTA in under a minute.
Throw 20 posts into the moderation queue and approve them all at once,
then that means what, 4,000 spool entries and a to MTA drain time of
well under 5 minutes.

Its hard to get interested in those sorts of numbers.

What qfiles can and does fill up with however is bounces.  But they're
separately queued in 2.1, so that interest quickly wanes.

So what do we have left: MTA performance.  How well, quickly, etc does
the MTA drain its queues?  It might be nice to correlate that with
individual message broadcasts, but without cross correlation between the
Mailman logs (for Message IDs) and the MTA logs that gets pretty rough.
Further, the only cases in which its actually interesting are those
cases where you have gross volumes of data -- which are also the cases
where the cross referencing is most expensive.

So we'll drop correlated tracking.

Which leaves us simple MTA performance and behaviour.  But then Cricket,
EximStats, Mailgraph and the like handle that space rather nicely.

So what precisely are we trying to do again?

> Then looking at the logs to get a graph of how quickly a list normally
> sends (based on the log entries), both by percent and by pure numbers.

Average drain time is not a constant, or even a reasonable average for
anything but the (boring) quiescent case.  Its a function of system load
due to other activities, number of messages currently trying to be sent
to the MTA (say other approvals), and rate of inbound MTA transactions
-- all of which variables are outside of your control, and in two of the
cases, largely outside of your detection.

> Since I'm looking at the logs I thought of looking at some other
> "tuning stats" to try and give config recommendations to users...
> Though that would definitely be functionality for a second version of
> the script.

> ... But if you think its all useless info, JC, I'll just stop now :-)

Far be it from me to scare you off.  I've been wrong before and I don't
doubt I'll be wrong again.  But, I will try and indicate a few of the
salient features of the landscape to intrepid adventurers.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From jwblist at olympus.net  Wed Nov  6 07:08:39 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:08:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stats
In-Reply-To: <1036544427.5539.64.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <02c501c2850a$5be42240$3201a8c0@DAVIN> 
 <24099.1036543405@kanga.nu> <1036544427.5539.64.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <p05200f02b9ee5fd604e3@[192.168.1.50]>

At 20:00 -0500 11/5/2002, Jon Carnes wrote:
>Then looking at the logs to get a graph of how quickly a list normally
>sends (based on the log entries), both by percent and by pure numbers.
>
>Since I'm looking at the logs I thought of looking at some other "tuning
>stats" to try and give config recommendations to users...  Though that
>would definitely be functionality for a second version of the script.

We host a few-thousand-member once-a-week announcement sort of list.
Although I'm not interested in the subject matter (and don't read the
posts) I'm subscribed in an account here and an account on mac.com.  Most
weekends, I check the received headers to see how long it took the message
to get to each of my subscribed accounts after the mailman machine here
received it.  (Some weekends I just verify that the messages arrived.)

I've gotten that time down from perhaps 12 hours (under Majordomo on even
slower iron) for the a different remote account to perhaps 6 hours
initially with Mailman, and now usually 7 to 12 minutes.  I'm not going to
try to do better until after we upgrade the hardware, and the connection to
the world, and Python, and Exim and Mailman (to final 2.1).  I'm sure I
could still improve things, but the difference between 12 minutes and 5
minutes or whatever (or even 1 minute) isn't very interesting.

Along with the stats, you can learn a lot from a few Received: headers.

  --John
-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA
Not planning to do all that upgrading at the same instant on the live
lists.  ;-)


From Simon.McLeod at inspireit.com.au  Wed Nov  6 09:08:02 2002
From: Simon.McLeod at inspireit.com.au (Simon McLeod)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:08:02 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner problem
Message-ID: <F23E54D22310BE448D4630B1BB02C1580162A3@armadillo.inspireit.com.au>

Hi,

I've just installed mailman 2.0.13 on a redhat 6.1 machine.  All is
working fine, except the qrunner.  If you send mail to the list, the
maillog shows it's been received and passed to the wrapper.  If I look
in the mailman qfiles directory, there's a whole pile of .msg & .db
files, with the msg files being the emails i've sent to it.  The problem
is that qrunner doesn't actually do anything.  The files just sit in the
qfiles directory and don't go anywhere.  If I run qrunner manually, it
just runs without any output, exits with exit code 0

I'm not getting any error messages or any messages that relate to the
qrunner in any logfiles, and am completely stumped.

Can anyone help?


From mailman-list at rockar.nu  Wed Nov  6 09:16:13 2002
From: mailman-list at rockar.nu (Lars Andersson)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:16:13 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing From: address on password reminders
In-Reply-To: <F23E54D22310BE448D4630B1BB02C1580162A3@armadillo.inspireit.com.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211060912000.29954-100000@bsd.rockar.nu>

I'm managing a mailman server with a many lists and I wonder if there
is any way to get the passwords reminders to be sent from each
list-owners address instead of the address of the mailman-owner? Since
some of the lists have +15000 users I get a lot of replies to the
password reminders (mostly about changing their address and stuff like
that).

If the reminders were sent out with a From: address of each
list-admin it would make the administration of the list server easier.

I haven't found anything about this on the FAQ and I've searched the
archives without any luck, only found a way to filter these messages to
/dev/null, a solution that I don't want to use. If someone have any
ideas on this subject you will make me happy =)

I'm running the following software setup.
Mailman-2.0.13
postfix-1.1.7
linux-2.4.18

Regards
/Lars



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov  6 15:14:57 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 06 Nov 2002 09:14:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / SpamAssassin
Message-ID: <1036592097.1634.23.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

I run SpamAssassin in its Daemon mode and then use a procmail pre-filter
for some of the lists (the ones that are open for anyone to post).

Instead of the list names going directly to the mailman aliases (calling
the wrapper program), they call a procmail script which does some checks
(including a trip through spamd) and modifications to the message
header. If the message passes through my checks then the script passes
the modified message on to mailman's wrapper.

This keeps viruses out of the mailing lists and minimizes the spam.  It
also adds about one minute to list delivery times, and takes away a
chunk or RAM: ~64Mb base plus 9Mb for each concurrent message being
checked.

Note: please send these requests on-list.  I run a consulting business
and I have to charge for individual attention (or I and my family will
eventually starve).  Plus I normally answer on list, and you get the
added benefit of a world-wide network chipping in with better solutions!

Hope this has been helpful - Jon Carnes



From btimby_indy at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  6 15:24:19 2002
From: btimby_indy at yahoo.com (Ben Timby)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 06:24:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question - qrunner
Message-ID: <20021106142419.84511.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello, I just took over for a system admin yesterday.
He setup mailman for our mailing lists at work. I got
a call this morning around 6AM that one of our
developers had gotten a script in an endless loop, and
inside that loop was an error, that was generating an
email error notification that is sent to the list of
developers.

I did the following in order to stop the emails from
arriving (10K messages had already been delivered at
this point).

ps aux | grep mailman

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From btimby_indy at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  6 15:32:12 2002
From: btimby_indy at yahoo.com (Ben Timby)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 06:32:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question - qrunner - continued
Message-ID: <20021106143212.63665.qmail@web40911.mail.yahoo.com>

oops, sorry, hit the wrong button and sent my email
prematurely.

 --
Hello, I just took over for a system admin yesterday.
He setup mailman for our mailing lists at work. I got
a call this morning around 6AM that one of our
developers had gotten a script in an endless loop, and
inside that loop was an error, that was generating an
email error notification that is sent to the list of
developers.

I did the following in order to stop the emails from
arriving (10K messages had already been delivered at
this point).

ps aux | grep mailman

I saw two processes for mailman, both:
python2.2 -S qrunner

I killed both of them.

I then went to:

/usr/local/mailman/qfiles

and cleared all the files.

Now mailman is not sending mail, the qfiles folder is
filling up with new (authentic) messages, but I don't
know how to get qrunner going again. I thought it was
a cron tab, and would run again shortly, I guess I was
wrong. Does anyone have some advice for me?

Thanks.

Ben Timby.

__________________________________________________
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From btimby_indy at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  6 16:09:36 2002
From: btimby_indy at yahoo.com (Ben Timby)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 07:09:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question - qrunner - continued
In-Reply-To: <009601c285a2$e93bc600$0801a8c0@jamicassidy>
Message-ID: <20021106150936.56693.qmail@web40902.mail.yahoo.com>

I checked the file:

/etc/crontab
(this box is FreeBSD 4.6)

and I see nothing about mailman in it. I am a UNIX
newbie, and only filling in until we get a full-time
admin. I am not sure if there is anywhere else to
check for cron jobs.

Is it possible that qrunner schedules itself when it
runs, and my killing it prevent this?

I have tried running qrunner by hand, and got no
results, and the qfiles folder had the same contents:

python qrunner

Ben Timby.

--- Mike Ingram <ingram_michael at attbi.com> wrote:
> Have you tried forcing the cron jobs manually? 
> Although, I believe qrunner
> should be setup to run every minute.  Check the cron
> job to see if it has
> been temprarily disabled.

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From j.wards at sportnetwork.net  Wed Nov  6 16:19:58 2002
From: j.wards at sportnetwork.net (John Wards)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:19:58 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question - qrunner - continued
In-Reply-To: <20021106143212.63665.qmail@web40911.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20021106143212.63665.qmail@web40911.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200211061519.58439.j.wards@sportnetwork.net>

Are you running version 2.1?

If so you need to start ~/mailman/bin/mailmanctl

Have a look on here:

http://www.list.org/MM21/install-final.html

John

On Wednesday 06 Nov 2002 2:32 pm, Ben Timby wrote:
> oops, sorry, hit the wrong button and sent my email
> prematurely.
>
>  --
> Hello, I just took over for a system admin yesterday.
> He setup mailman for our mailing lists at work. I got
> a call this morning around 6AM that one of our
> developers had gotten a script in an endless loop, and
> inside that loop was an error, that was generating an
> email error notification that is sent to the list of
> developers.
>
> I did the following in order to stop the emails from
> arriving (10K messages had already been delivered at
> this point).
>
> ps aux | grep mailman
>
> I saw two processes for mailman, both:
> python2.2 -S qrunner
>
> I killed both of them.
>
> I then went to:
>
> /usr/local/mailman/qfiles
>
> and cleared all the files.
>
> Now mailman is not sending mail, the qfiles folder is
> filling up with new (authentic) messages, but I don't
> know how to get qrunner going again. I thought it was
> a cron tab, and would run again shortly, I guess I was
> wrong. Does anyone have some advice for me?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ben Timby.
>
> __________________________________________________
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> HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now
> http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/
>
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> This message was sent to: j.wards at sportnetwork.net
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/j.wards%40sportnetwork
>.net



From btimby_indy at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  6 16:43:57 2002
From: btimby_indy at yahoo.com (Ben Timby)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 07:43:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question - qrunner - continued
In-Reply-To: <200211061519.58439.j.wards@sportnetwork.net>
Message-ID: <20021106154357.74459.qmail@web40905.mail.yahoo.com>

I have mailman 2.0.13

there is no mailmanctl in /usr/local/mailman/bin

Ben Timby.

--- John Wards <j.wards at sportnetwork.net> wrote:
> Are you running version 2.1?
> 
> If so you need to start ~/mailman/bin/mailmanctl
> 
> Have a look on here:
> 
> http://www.list.org/MM21/install-final.html
> 
> John

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From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk  Wed Nov  6 17:19:48 2002
From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 06 Nov 2002 16:19:48 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question - qrunner - continued
In-Reply-To: <20021106143212.63665.qmail@web40911.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20021106143212.63665.qmail@web40911.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1036599589.25723.14.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On Wed, 2002-11-06 at 14:32, Ben Timby wrote:

> Now mailman is not sending mail, the qfiles folder is
> filling up with new (authentic) messages, but I don't
> know how to get qrunner going again. I thought it was
> a cron tab, and would run again shortly, I guess I was
> wrong. Does anyone have some advice for me?

Most likely theres a stale lock in place (not removed due to your
assassination of its process).

Look in ~/mailman/locks
Any unheld locks you can delete - otherwise it will sort itself in a few
hours.

	Nigel.
-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham           Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ]
[ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ]



From jay at ccs.neu.edu  Wed Nov  6 18:10:15 2002
From: jay at ccs.neu.edu (Jay Sekora)
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 12:10:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: personalization features (was Re: Archive URL
	in postings (2.1b3)) 
Message-ID: <20021106171016.1578313530C@maia.ccs.neu.edu>

> I just realized it wouldn't need another configuration variable, but
> just to expand the personalization variable to be 3-way.  So now you
> can set it to "No", "Yes", or "Full Personalization" with the latter
> meaning to also munge the To header.  Seems like a reasonable
> compromise for MM2.1.

Sounds great.  Calling the options "Off", "Body only", and "Body and 
headers" might be a little clearer for list admins not familiar with 
the feature set.

-j.


From dave-ml at dribin.org  Wed Nov  6 18:42:59 2002
From: dave-ml at dribin.org (Dave Dribin)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:42:59 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner import error on regex module
Message-ID: <20021106174259.GB14869@neo.realtors.org>

Hello,

My setup is RedHat 7.2 with the default Python RPMs installed, Postfix
1.1.10 (installed from source), and Mailman 2.0.13 (installed from
source).  I installed Mailman with these options:

./configure  --with-mail-gid=mailman --with-cgi-gid=www \
             --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.1

I'm using Mailman for 1 very small volume mailing list (a few messages
per month).  I installed it in early September, and everything worked
for about a month.  Yesterday, someone had sent a message that never
got through.  I check the error log (/home/mailman/logs/error) only to
find this error:

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nov 06 11:29:01 2002 qrunner(8237): Traceback (most recent call last):
Nov 06 11:29:01 2002 qrunner(8237):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
Nov 06 11:29:01 2002 qrunner(8237):      kids = main(lock)
Nov 06 11:29:01 2002 qrunner(8237):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main
Nov 06 11:29:01 2002 qrunner(8237):      keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Nov 06 11:29:01 2002 qrunner(8237):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 121, in dispose_message
Nov 06 11:29:01 2002 qrunner(8237):      if BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg):
Nov 06 11:29:01 2002 qrunner(8237):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 57, in ScanMessages
Nov 06 11:29:01 2002 qrunner(8237):      mod = __import__('Mailman.Bouncers.'+modname)
Nov 06 11:29:01 2002 qrunner(8237):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Catchall.py", line 34, in ?
Nov 06 11:29:01 2002 qrunner(8237):      import regsub
Nov 06 11:29:01 2002 qrunner(8237):   File "/usr/lib/python2.1/regsub.py", line 20, in ?
Nov 06 11:29:01 2002 qrunner(8237):      import regex
Nov 06 11:29:01 2002 qrunner(8237): ImportError :  No module named regex 
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sure enough, there is no regex.py, and nor is the regex module
compiled in:

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Python 2.1.1 (#1, Aug 13 2001, 19:37:40) 
[GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2.96-96)] on linux2
Type "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import sys
>>> print sys.builtin_module_names
('__builtin__', '__main__', '_sre', 'exceptions', 'gc', 'imp', 'marshal', 'posix', 'signal', 'sys', 'thread')
------------------------------------------------------------------------

I did some digging only to find that this error started to happen way
back on Oct 10 (!) and I never noticed.  Now, I've yet to find
anything that changed on that day.  The Python RPMs have not been
upgraded.  There were some RedHat libc upgrades right around that
time, but I can't see any relation.

Does anyone have any clue as to why this stopped working and what I
can do to get this going again?

Thanks,

-Dave


From gmills at library.berkeley.edu  Wed Nov  6 18:58:06 2002
From: gmills at library.berkeley.edu (Garey Mills)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:58:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Does Mailman set a precedence header?
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10211060956490.397622-100000@library.berkeley.edu>


Hi - That's the question, and if so, where can I adjust the precedence?

Garey Mills
Library Systems Office
UC Berkeley



From Eric.Trager at cbel.cit.nih.gov  Wed Nov  6 19:15:41 2002
From: Eric.Trager at cbel.cit.nih.gov (Eric Trager)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:15:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect info in headers
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0211061313400.1053-100000@argo.cit.nih.gov>


Hi all,

My site runs a handful of lists using 2.0.13, each administrated by a
different individual. Some of the lists are configured to send the monthly
password reminders.

The problem we are having is that the monthly messages for the different
lists and users all end up with the same Return-Path, Sender, and
Errors-to headers, which contain the address of the admin for one of the
lists (it so happens it's the first list that was created at this site).
What this boils down to is once a month, bounce errors for invalid
addresses for lists 3, 4, and 7, the ones that send out the monthly
reminders, all go to the admin for list 1. An example of this is below.
It's a reminder for a test list I set up for myself.

---------
Return-Path: <xplor-nih-admin at nmr.cit.nih.gov>
.
.
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:39:29 -0500
Message-ID: <20021105173929.19467.43040.Mailman at argo.cit.nih.gov>
Subject: argo.cit.nih.gov mailing list memberships reminder
From: mailman-owner at cbel.cit.nih.gov
To: trager at cbel.cit.nih.gov
.
.
Sender: xplor-nih-admin at nmr.cit.nih.gov
Errors-To: xplor-nih-admin at nmr.cit.nih.gov
X-BeenThere: xplor-nih at nmr.cit.nih.gov
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13
Precedence: bulk

This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your argo.cit.nih.gov
[etc.]
-----------


In this case, I'm on list 7, not the xplor-nih-admin list. If my account
goes away, the xplor-nih admin will get the bounce error.

I've pored through the docs and list archives to figure out how to change
this so the mailman-owner address or each list's admin receives the
errors, OR to change which list's admin is chosen to receive the errors...
but to no avail. I have not been able to figure out how this return
address is chosen and used in the mailpasswds process.

Any ideas on how to sort this out?

TIA.

- -  -   -    -
Eric Trager




From barry at python.org  Wed Nov  6 19:30:33 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:30:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: personalization features (was Re: Archive URL
	in postings (2.1b3)) 
References: <20021106171016.1578313530C@maia.ccs.neu.edu>
Message-ID: <15817.24521.517109.288851@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "JS" == Jay Sekora <jay at ccs.neu.edu> writes:

    >> I just realized it wouldn't need another configuration
    >> variable, but just to expand the personalization variable to be
    >> 3-way.  So now you can set it to "No", "Yes", or "Full
    >> Personalization" with the latter meaning to also munge the To
    >> header.  Seems like a reasonable compromise for MM2.1.

    JS> Sounds great.  Calling the options "Off", "Body only", and
    JS> "Body and headers" might be a little clearer for list admins
    JS> not familiar with the feature set.

How about "No", "Yes", and "Yes, with Headers"?

-Barry


From pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us  Mon Nov  4 19:18:27 2002
From: pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us (peter schoch)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 13:18:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Linux 7.3 and sendmail 8.x problem
Message-ID: <sdc673af.026@mail.sussex.edu>

I set up all of the cron jobs that were listed in the setup instructions on the website.

I had thought the RPM from RedHat was faulty.  So, I downloaded the one off the www.list.org website and installed it.  I don't remember which one it was, but it was only two weeks ago.


There are no files in ~mailman/qfiles

-------------

Since it is Sendmail 8.x could it be the no forwarding protection in sendmail?


<<< John Wards <j.wards at sportnetwork.net> 11/ 4 11:00a >>>

Have you set up the cron jobs?

What version are you using?

Is their any files in ~mailman/qfiles

John

On Sunday 03 Nov 2002 5:04 pm, peter schoch wrote:
> I followed the installation procedures for mailman, and the web interface
> works just fine.
>
> HOWEVER, any email I send into it disappears!  It never goes out to the
> list and doesn't bounce back to me.
>
> Is there something in Sendmail 8.x in Linux 7.3 that prevents mailman from
> working?  Any suggestions on how to fix this?  I'm trying to run the list
> for an online class we teach at the college.
>
> Thanks,
> Peter Schoch
>
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> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> This message was sent to: j.wards at sportnetwork.net
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
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From S.Tubertini at jolly.bo.cnr.it  Tue Nov  5 09:20:36 2002
From: S.Tubertini at jolly.bo.cnr.it (Simona Tubertini)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 09:20:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A question about Mailman
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021105091044.00a0e450@area.bo.cnr.it>

I have recently installed Mailman version 2.0.3 on my list server (Sendmail 
on RedHat Linux 7.3), and I have a question: how can I automatically reject 
messages from forbidden posters (without helding their messages for 
approval) ? This would be useful because we have a lot of mailing lists, we 
receive a lot of messages from spammers, and the list administrators must 
discard these messages manually every day...
Many thanks for your help, regards,

                                 Simona Tubertini


-
Simona Tubertini
National Research Council - Research Area of Bologna
Via Gobetti, 101
40129 BOLOGNA (ITALY)
Phone # 00 39 51 6399411
Fax # 00 39 51 6399432
E-mail: S.Tubertini at area.bo.cnr.it



From corey at egoinc.org  Tue Nov  5 17:16:53 2002
From: corey at egoinc.org (corey)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:16:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman templates
Message-ID: <537681275.20021105111653@egoinc.org>

somehow i've managed to screw up the list info page.  is there
somewhere i can get the default template to reload?

thanks!


--------------------------------------------

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[work] www.blanksky.com

More people are killed by donkeys annually than are killed in plane crashes.



From pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us  Wed Nov  6 01:13:08 2002
From: pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us (peter schoch)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 19:13:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RH7.3 and sendmail 8.x  problem
Message-ID: <sdc8184c.070@mail.sussex.edu>

Ok, I've done some work...


>If it's not the cron, then:
>- have you setup a smrsh link to the wrapper >program (does your MTA use
>smrsh)?

The mailman does send out confirmations of subscribing to the list.  It just doesn't send out the mail messages.

>- is your MTA listening on every port or on >limited ports?
>netstat -na | grep ":25 "

It is listening.  It archives all messages sent to the list!  It just won't send them back out.  I have tried to alter senmail's relaying by adding the domains of the subscribers, etc. but to no avail.  (Yes I did restart sendmail.)

>Make sure that it accepts mail sent to localhost >on port 25 (that means
>also check out your local firewall rules!).

I have minimal rules now to try and get this to work.

>Have you looked at the log files for Mailman. They >might give you some
>information on what is going on.

I have no files in ~mailman/logs/ directory.

>BTW: what the heck is "linux 7.3"? Is that Red Hat >Linux version 7.3?

Sorry, I was (and am) a bit frazzled as to why this is not working.  It is Red Hat 7.3.

Thanks,
Peter Schoch
Good Luck - Jon Carnes 


From darius at sprout.com  Wed Nov  6 08:26:54 2002
From: darius at sprout.com (Darius Thabit)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 02:26:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wish list
Message-ID: <200211060727.CAA07740@TheWorld.com>



Hi People,

I was just checking out MailMan (on pair.net) as a replacement 
for a Majordomo list. It's got a lot of advantages, but I see right 
away an important area which would help sell me on it - I can't 
tell if this is already on the wish list.

Unsubscribing should be easier. It should be at least as easy 
as subscribing, since people are usually in more of a hurry to 
get off a list than to get on. So I suggest a "quick unsub" button
which would send a confirmation e-mail, for users who don't
have their password at their fingertips, which I submit is most
users. I shouldn't have to click "forgot password" only to go back 
and type it in. The current unsub screen could even be re-used 
such that e-mail confirmation is issued if no password is entered.

I also concur with the suggestion for automatic pswd generation. 

I think the average user doesn't really get a big kick out account 
confiuration - notwithstanding how much fun it is to design config
screens (and I have designed a few :) They just want to get on the 
list, see what it's about, and get off if they don't like it. This part of 
the process should be as streamlined as possible. (Personally 
I'd prefer the user could elect to forego passwords entirely,  for
small lists where security is not an issue, I hate them myself.)



From michael at makingthings.com  Wed Nov  6 20:25:52 2002
From: michael at makingthings.com (michael shiloh)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:25:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] relay host
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211061104500.22048-100000@magritte.magrittesystems.com>

hi all,

configuration:

  redhat 7.3 with most updates
  linux 2.4.9-21
  python 1.5.2
  sendmail 8.11.6
  mailman 2.0.13
  Apache 1.3.22

i'm having a bit of trouble getting mail sent out from my
recently-installed list server. according to my sendmail
documentation i'm allowing relay from my local host, and in
fact in 

  /etc/mail/access

i have:

  # Check the /usr/share/doc/sendmail-8.11.6/README.cf file for a description
  # of the format of this file. (search for access_db in that file)
  # The /usr/share/doc/sendmail-8.11.6/README.cf is part of the sendmail-doc
  # package.
  #
  # by default we allow relaying from localhost...
  localhost.localdomain           RELAY
  localhost                       RELAY
  127.0.0.1                       RELAY

the symptom is that i can access my list's subscription
website and subscribe. i get the next page that says:

  Confirmation from your email address is required, to
  prevent anyone from subscribing you without permission.
  Instructions are being sent to you at michael at ecsd.com. 

and then i see in my /var/log/messages:

  Nov  6 11:17:06 magritte sendmail[22687]: gA6JH6J22687:
  ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<michael at ecsd.com>,
  relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1], reject=551 5.7.1 
  we do not relay

normally from this same host i can send email anywhere
(including to michael at ecsd.com) so it is something that
mailman is adding (or perhaps leaving off?). 

normally i send email from pine, and i have in pine
specifically set my domain. it occurred to me that i've
never told mailman what domain to use. perhaps it's picking
up some default which i never bothered setting? where would
it get this info? not hostname, since that gives a valid
address:

  # hostname
  magritte.magrittesystems.com

any ideas gleefully accepted, with much appreciation.

michael



From michael at makingthings.com  Wed Nov  6 20:34:40 2002
From: michael at makingthings.com (michael shiloh)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:34:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RH7.3 and sendmail 8.x  problem
In-Reply-To: <sdc8184c.070@mail.sussex.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211061132260.22784-100000@magritte.magrittesystems.com>

peter, your situation sounds a lot like mine. when you say
below "The mailman does send out confirmations of
subscribing" is this an email message or the web page? and
do you receive this email message at the destination?

have you checked for mail/mailman messages in
/var/log/messages?

hope this helps
michael


On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, peter schoch wrote:

> Ok, I've done some work...
> 
> 
> >If it's not the cron, then:
> >- have you setup a smrsh link to the wrapper >program (does your MTA use
> >smrsh)?
> 
> The mailman does send out confirmations of subscribing to the list.  It just doesn't send out the mail messages.
> 
> >- is your MTA listening on every port or on >limited ports?
> >netstat -na | grep ":25 "
> 
> It is listening.  It archives all messages sent to the list!  It just won't send them back out.  I have tried to alter senmail's relaying by adding the domains of the subscribers, etc. but to no avail.  (Yes I did restart sendmail.)
> 
> >Make sure that it accepts mail sent to localhost >on port 25 (that means
> >also check out your local firewall rules!).
> 
> I have minimal rules now to try and get this to work.
> 
> >Have you looked at the log files for Mailman. They >might give you some
> >information on what is going on.
> 
> I have no files in ~mailman/logs/ directory.
> 
> >BTW: what the heck is "linux 7.3"? Is that Red Hat >Linux version 7.3?
> 
> Sorry, I was (and am) a bit frazzled as to why this is not working.  It is Red Hat 7.3.
> 
> Thanks,
> Peter Schoch
> Good Luck - Jon Carnes 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov  6 20:42:23 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 06 Nov 2002 14:42:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing From: address on password reminders
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211060912000.29954-100000@bsd.rockar.nu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211060912000.29954-100000@bsd.rockar.nu>
Message-ID: <1036611744.1687.89.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

The reasoning behind sending the note from the main mailman user is that
Mailman attempts to send only one note to each email address and in that
note cover all local lists that the email is subscribed to.

So if a user is subscribed to 5 lists at your site, then person only
receives one note which alerts them to their status on all 5 lists.

You could comment out the cron job which runs mailpasswords  and write a
small script which mirrors the functionality of the mail-passwords
program.  Have that one send out monthly from your list-admin
addresses.  That would be fairly easy to construct.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2002-11-06 at 03:16, Lars Andersson wrote:
> I'm managing a mailman server with a many lists and I wonder if there
> is any way to get the passwords reminders to be sent from each
> list-owners address instead of the address of the mailman-owner? Since
> some of the lists have +15000 users I get a lot of replies to the
> password reminders (mostly about changing their address and stuff like
> that).
> 
> If the reminders were sent out with a From: address of each
> list-admin it would make the administration of the list server easier.
> 
> I haven't found anything about this on the FAQ and I've searched the
> archives without any luck, only found a way to filter these messages to
> /dev/null, a solution that I don't want to use. If someone have any
> ideas on this subject you will make me happy =)
> 
> I'm running the following software setup.
> Mailman-2.0.13
> postfix-1.1.7
> linux-2.4.18
> 
> Regards
> /Lars
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov  6 20:44:16 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 06 Nov 2002 14:44:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman templates
In-Reply-To: <537681275.20021105111653@egoinc.org>
References: <537681275.20021105111653@egoinc.org>
Message-ID: <1036611856.1634.91.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Create a new list, then cut and paste from there!

On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 11:16, corey wrote:
> somehow i've managed to screw up the list info page.  is there
> somewhere i can get the default template to reload?
> 
> thanks!
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------
> 
> corey
> [play] www.egoinc.org
> [work] www.blanksky.com
> 
> More people are killed by donkeys annually than are killed in plane crashes.
> 
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From upctech at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  6 22:38:00 2002
From: upctech at yahoo.com (shawn techs)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:38:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to apply  a  mailman patch to a file
Message-ID: <20021106213800.66008.qmail@web14912.mail.yahoo.com>

i  want to  apply some  patches  to  my mailman
installation, but  never  applied a  patch  before,

could  anyone give  me a  brief description of  the 
steps  i  should follow,

your  responses  are  appreciated
dennis

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From mfeldman at sugarpoet.com  Wed Nov  6 22:55:16 2002
From: mfeldman at sugarpoet.com (Michelle Feldman)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:55:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple list subscribe
Message-ID: <001201c285df$35ef1f60$4b3a4142@Michelle>

Has anyone figured out yet how to put multiple Mailman lists on the same
page for user subscription?  I saw this question posed several times
over a year ago and I'd like to see if anyone has made any progress.  I
realize that I can break the form apart and try to get the email address
to the intended location but I'm not that great with this stuff so I
wanted to see if anyone else had done it.  Seems like this would be
something that a lot of people like to do when they're running multiple
lists from the same site.

Regards,
Michelle Feldman
 




From vtsaran at icevi.org  Thu Nov  7 00:36:51 2002
From: vtsaran at icevi.org (Victor Tsaran)
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 15:36:51 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does not send its mail to the users
Message-ID: <20021106233651.2603.qmail@k2.synapseglobal.com>

Dear listers,
I am a user who has an account and a virtual domain with an ISP. The ISP 
runs Mailman version 2.0.6. For whatever reason, lists for other accounts on 
that machine are working fine, but not for mine.
Basically, Mailman stopped responding to admin requests as well as 
distribute its mail to the users.
The support guy removed those lists of mine and recreated them again, but 
the problem did not disappear.
They are running Qmail as their MTA.
All the messages that I sent to either list admin addresses or to the users 
end up in my catch-all account.
The funniest thing is that the admin pannel works fine, however, archives do 
not expand. 

I hope I gave you enough info.
Waiting eagerly for your hints and help.
Regards,
Victor 


From justin at jalcorn.net  Thu Nov  7 08:21:21 2002
From: justin at jalcorn.net (Justin Alcorn)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 02:21:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] relay host
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211061104500.22048-100000@magritte.magrittesystems.com>
Message-ID: <3DCA1471.60000@jalcorn.net>

Check the timestamp on /etc/mail/access.db .  has it been updated?  run `make` 
in the /etc/mail directory (if there's a Makefile), specifically you need to run:

makemap hash access.db < access

That's the only thing that jumps out at me.

michael shiloh wrote:
> hi all,
> 
> configuration:
> 
>   redhat 7.3 with most updates
>   linux 2.4.9-21
>   python 1.5.2
>   sendmail 8.11.6
>   mailman 2.0.13
>   Apache 1.3.22
> 
> i'm having a bit of trouble getting mail sent out from my
> recently-installed list server. according to my sendmail
> documentation i'm allowing relay from my local host, and in
> fact in 
> 
>   /etc/mail/access
> 
> i have:
> 
>   # Check the /usr/share/doc/sendmail-8.11.6/README.cf file for a description
>   # of the format of this file. (search for access_db in that file)
>   # The /usr/share/doc/sendmail-8.11.6/README.cf is part of the sendmail-doc
>   # package.
>   #
>   # by default we allow relaying from localhost...
>   localhost.localdomain           RELAY
>   localhost                       RELAY
>   127.0.0.1                       RELAY
> 
> the symptom is that i can access my list's subscription
> website and subscribe. i get the next page that says:
> 
>   Confirmation from your email address is required, to
>   prevent anyone from subscribing you without permission.
>   Instructions are being sent to you at michael at ecsd.com. 
> 
> and then i see in my /var/log/messages:
> 
>   Nov  6 11:17:06 magritte sendmail[22687]: gA6JH6J22687:
>   ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<michael at ecsd.com>,
>   relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1], reject=551 5.7.1 
>   we do not relay
> 

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From john at io.com  Thu Nov  7 08:25:33 2002
From: john at io.com (John Buttery)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:25:33 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: personalization features (was Re: Archive URL
	in postings (2.1b3))
In-Reply-To: <15817.24521.517109.288851@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
References: <20021106171016.1578313530C@maia.ccs.neu.edu>
	<15817.24521.517109.288851@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <20021107072533.GA3848@io.com>

* "Barry A. Warsaw" <barry at python.org> [2002-11-06 13:30:33 -0500]:
> How about "No", "Yes", and "Yes, with Headers"?

  OK, now we're getting into subtleties of UI design which I'm really
not qualified to comment on, but hey, I've never let that stop me
before...  :p

  Personally, "Yes" is the setting that I would expect to denote the
fullest setting, if it appeared at all.  However, I wouldn't really
expect it to appear.  If I were going to do it, I would use "None", "Body
Only", and "Full".

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From flavio at gral.com.br  Thu Nov  7 13:16:50 2002
From: flavio at gral.com.br (Flavio - GRAL)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:16:50 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stop posting
Message-ID: <200211071216.50933.flavio@gral.com.br>


Dear List

My Mailman 2.0.13 accepts messages but when I approve them, Mailman doesn't 
post. Help! 

Thanks

Fl?vio Brito

----------------------------------------------------------------------
error log
----------------------------------------------------------------------
....

Nov 07 12:11:04 2002 (32484) Delivery exception: unsupported format character 
'p' (0x70)
Nov 07 12:11:04 2002 (32484) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 121, in process
    inject_digest(mlist, digestfile, topicsfile)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 176, in inject_digest
    msg = digest.asText()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 245, in asText
    return self.Present(mime=0)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 269, in Present
    masthead = Utils.maketext('masthead.txt', self.TemplateRefs())
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 502, in maketext
    text = template % SafeDict(dict)
ValueError: unsupported format character 'p' (0x70)

----------------------------------------------------------------------
qrunner log
----------------------------------------------------------------------
....
Nov 07 12:07:03 2002 (32428) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Nov 07 12:08:03 2002 (32450) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Nov 07 12:09:02 2002 (32458) Could not acquire qrunner lock

----------------------------------------------------------------------
vette log
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nov 07 11:50:08 2002 (32144) linuxrj post from weltonrc at bol.com.br held: Post 
to moderated list
Nov 07 12:03:08 2002 (32321) approved held message enqueued: 
heldmsg-linuxrj-301.txt
Nov 07 12:03:08 2002 (32321) approved held message enqueued: 
heldmsg-linuxrj-302.txt

----------------------------------------------------------------------
diggest log
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Nov 07 12:15:07 2002 (32519) linuxrj v 38 - 696 msgs, 1 recips (0 mime, 1 
text, 0 disabled)
Nov 07 12:15:07 2002 (32519) linuxrj v 38 - 697 msgs, 1 recips (0 mime, 1 
text, 0 disabled)






Nov 07 11:50:08 2002 (32144) linuxrj post from weltonrc at bol.com.br held: Post 
to moderated list
Nov 07 12:03:08 2002 (32321) approved held message enqueued: 
heldmsg-linuxrj-301.txt
Nov 07 12:03:08 2002 (32321) approved held message enqueued: 
heldmsg-linuxrj-302.txt


From jeremyp at pobox.com  Thu Nov  7 15:28:14 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 07 Nov 2002 09:28:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does not send its mail to the users
In-Reply-To: <20021106233651.2603.qmail@k2.synapseglobal.com>
References: <20021106233651.2603.qmail@k2.synapseglobal.com>
Message-ID: <1036679295.7895.1.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Wed, 2002-11-06 at 18:36, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> Dear listers,
> I am a user who has an account and a virtual domain with an ISP. The ISP 
> runs Mailman version 2.0.6. For whatever reason, lists for other accounts on 
> that machine are working fine, but not for mine.
> Basically, Mailman stopped responding to admin requests as well as 
> distribute its mail to the users.
> The support guy removed those lists of mine and recreated them again, but 
> the problem did not disappear.
> They are running Qmail as their MTA.
> All the messages that I sent to either list admin addresses or to the users 
> end up in my catch-all account.

If the messages are going to your catch-all account, and never showing
up in the archives, this probably means that there's a problem with the
aliases for your list.  Ask the administrator to check the aliases and
the MTA configuration -- the mail absolutely should not be delivered to
your account.

--Jeremy



From den at altern.org  Thu Nov  7 15:31:41 2002
From: den at altern.org (Denis)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:31:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman/postfix suite
Message-ID: <MEEBLBLBECJFBEIDIEHCEEDNEIAA.den@altern.org>

Hi,

I try to configure mailman with postfix.

I think the config for aliases is good but i have a permission denied.

In my config, i add alias_map for hash:/etc/aliases and virtual_maps for
hash:/etc/postfix/virtual

virtual

domainepublic.net                       anything

testneo at domain.tld               testneo
testneo-admin at domain.tld         testneo-admin
testneo-request at domain.tld       testneo-request
testneo-owner at domain.tld         testneo-owner

/etc/aliases

testneo:                 "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post testneo"
testneo-admin:           "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testneo"
testneo-request:         "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testneo"
testneo-owner:           testneo-admin

All is fine but the mail is not delivred.

This is the result:

Subject: Cron <mailman at vacarme> /usr/bin/python -S
/var/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests
X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/sh>
X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/home/mailman>
X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/usr/bin:/bin>
X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=mailman>
Message-Id: <20021107110002.84F61131A2 at domain.tld>
Date: Thu,  7 Nov 2002 12:00:02 +0100 (CET)

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
    kids = main(lock)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 240, in main
    mlist = open_list(listname)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 174, in open_list
    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 893, in Load
    dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 870, in __load
    fp = open(dbfile)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/lib/mailman/lists/testneo/config.db'

What can i do ?

Thanks
Denis






From vtsaran at icevi.org  Thu Nov  7 15:44:13 2002
From: vtsaran at icevi.org (Victor Tsaran)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 06:44:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman does not send its mail to the users
In-Reply-To: <1036679295.7895.1.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> 
References: <20021106233651.2603.qmail@k2.synapseglobal.com>
            <1036679295.7895.1.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
Message-ID: <20021107144414.7711.qmail@k2.synapseglobal.com>

Hi, Jeremy!
What aliases should they look for? Can I just restore those alises using 
Qmail admin pannel, i.e. set them up the usual way, or this should be done 
via Mailman configuration? 

Regards,
Victor 

Jeremy Portzer writes: 

> On Wed, 2002-11-06 at 18:36, Victor Tsaran wrote:
>> Dear listers,
>> I am a user who has an account and a virtual domain with an ISP. The ISP 
>> runs Mailman version 2.0.6. For whatever reason, lists for other accounts on 
>> that machine are working fine, but not for mine.
>> Basically, Mailman stopped responding to admin requests as well as 
>> distribute its mail to the users.
>> The support guy removed those lists of mine and recreated them again, but 
>> the problem did not disappear.
>> They are running Qmail as their MTA.
>> All the messages that I sent to either list admin addresses or to the users 
>> end up in my catch-all account.
> 
> If the messages are going to your catch-all account, and never showing
> up in the archives, this probably means that there's a problem with the
> aliases for your list.  Ask the administrator to check the aliases and
> the MTA configuration -- the mail absolutely should not be delivered to
> your account. 
> 
> --Jeremy 
> 
 


From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Nov  7 15:52:23 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 07 Nov 2002 09:52:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman/postfix suite
In-Reply-To: <MEEBLBLBECJFBEIDIEHCEEDNEIAA.den@altern.org>
References: <MEEBLBLBECJFBEIDIEHCEEDNEIAA.den@altern.org>
Message-ID: <1036680744.5569.21.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> '/var/lib/mailman/lists/testneo/config.db'
> 
> What can i do ?
> 
> Thanks
> Denis
> 
How about checking the permissions on the file:
  /var/lib/mailman/lists/testneo/config.db

If your install uses the default user and group (mailman/mailman) then
the group owner for the file should be mailman with read and write
rights. Indeed every file and directory under ~mailman/.. should be
setup as such.

If that is not working, try setting up Others with read/write to file
and see if it works. I wouldn't leave it that way, but it would confirm
that you have a permissions problem and not something obscure!

Good Luck - Jon Carnes



From jeremyp at pobox.com  Thu Nov  7 15:50:17 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 07 Nov 2002 09:50:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman/postfix suite
In-Reply-To: <MEEBLBLBECJFBEIDIEHCEEDNEIAA.den@altern.org>
References: <MEEBLBLBECJFBEIDIEHCEEDNEIAA.den@altern.org>
Message-ID: <1036680618.7895.7.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Thu, 2002-11-07 at 09:31, Denis wrote:
> 
> All is fine but the mail is not delivred.
> 
> This is the result:
> 
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> '/var/lib/mailman/lists/testneo/config.db'
> 

I snipped your message to include the only relevant portion.  What are
the permissions on that file, and the others in /var/lib/mailman/lists
?  The files should normally have permissions of at least 664 (775 for
directories), and owned by the mailman user and mailman group.  Also,
try running the bin/check_perms utility to check your mailman
installation's permissions.

--Jeremy



From jeremyp at pobox.com  Thu Nov  7 16:34:47 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 07 Nov 2002 10:34:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman does not send its mail to the users
In-Reply-To: <20021107144414.7711.qmail@k2.synapseglobal.com>
References: <20021106233651.2603.qmail@k2.synapseglobal.com>
	<1036679295.7895.1.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> 
	<20021107144414.7711.qmail@k2.synapseglobal.com>
Message-ID: <1036683288.7936.12.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

I'm referring to the standard mailman aliases that are required for each
mailman list.  The newlist program prints out these aliases for you
after you create a list.  I'm not familiar with the qmail admin panel,
but you should be able to set up the aliases in any way that aliases are
normally configured.

This subject is also covered pretty well in the mailman documentation if
you need more information.

--Jeremy

On Thu, 2002-11-07 at 09:44, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> Hi, Jeremy!
> What aliases should they look for? Can I just restore those alises using 
> Qmail admin pannel, i.e. set them up the usual way, or this should be done 
> via Mailman configuration? 
> 
> Regards,
> Victor 
> 
> Jeremy Portzer writes: 
> 
> > On Wed, 2002-11-06 at 18:36, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> >> Dear listers,
> >> I am a user who has an account and a virtual domain with an ISP. The ISP 
> >> runs Mailman version 2.0.6. For whatever reason, lists for other accounts on 
> >> that machine are working fine, but not for mine.
> >> Basically, Mailman stopped responding to admin requests as well as 
> >> distribute its mail to the users.
> >> The support guy removed those lists of mine and recreated them again, but 
> >> the problem did not disappear.
> >> They are running Qmail as their MTA.
> >> All the messages that I sent to either list admin addresses or to the users 
> >> end up in my catch-all account.
> > 
> > If the messages are going to your catch-all account, and never showing
> > up in the archives, this probably means that there's a problem with the
> > aliases for your list.  Ask the administrator to check the aliases and
> > the MTA configuration -- the mail absolutely should not be delivered to
> > your account. 
> > 
> > --Jeremy 
> > 
>  
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
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From den at altern.org  Thu Nov  7 16:36:28 2002
From: den at altern.org (Denis)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:36:28 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman/postfix suite
In-Reply-To: <1036680744.5569.21.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <MEEBLBLBECJFBEIDIEHCCEEDEIAA.den@altern.org>

Thanks,

I respond for the twoo messages in the text.

----
I snipped your message to include the only relevant portion.

-->>Yes, but i think the config (alias with postfix) is important to the
comprehension of the error.

What are
the permissions on that file, and the others in /var/lib/mailman/lists
?
-->-rw-rw----    1 list     list         2909 nov  7 13:33 config.db

-->And all the directory lists are like this one:
-->drwxrwsr-x    2 root     list         4096 nov  7 13:33 testneo

The files should normally have permissions of at least 664 (775 for
directories), and owned by the mailman user and mailman group.  Also,
try running the bin/check_perms utility to check your mailman
installation's permissions.

-->No problems found

If your install uses the default user and group (mailman/mailman) then
the group owner for the file should be mailman with read and write
rights. Indeed every file and directory under ~mailman/.. should be
setup as such.

-> I install it whit debian and more or less all the files are in root:list

Except in
/var/lib/mailman/bin root:root
/var/lib/mailman/Mailman root:root
/var/lib/mailman/scripts root:root
...

If that is not working, try setting up Others with read/write to file
and see if it works. I wouldn't leave it that way, but it would confirm
that you have a permissions problem and not something obscure!

-->>I change the config.db in 777 to try and i have this (i insert the
permissions of each files)

Subject: Cron <mailman at vacarme> /usr/bin/python -S
/var/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner
X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/sh>
X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/home/mailman>
X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/usr/bin:/bin>
X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=mailman>
Message-Id: <20021107152301.D33E3131A2 at xxx>
Date: Thu,  7 Nov 2002 16:23:01 +0100 (CET)

Logging error: <StampedLogger to '/var/lib/mailman/logs/error'>

-rw-rw-r--    1 list     list           80 nov  6 23:43 error

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f
    f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+', 1)

-rw-r--r--    1 root     root         2467 ao? 25 20:57 Logger.py

IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/logs/error'
Original log message:
[Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/logs/error'
Nov 07 16:23:01 2002 (7789) Delivery exception: [Errno 13] Permission
denied: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/testneo/next-digest'

-rw-rw-r--    1 list     list          886 nov  7 13:33 next-digest

Nov 07 16:23:01 2002 (7789) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in
do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)

-rw-r--r--    1 root     root         6843 ao? 25 20:57 HandlerAPI.py

  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 52, in process
    digestfp = open(digestfile, 'a+')

-rw-r--r--    1 root     root        14346 ao? 25 20:57 ToDigest.py

IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/lib/mailman/lists/testneo/next-digest'

Nov 07 16:23:01 2002 (7789) Failed config.db write, retaining old state.
[Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/lib/mailman/lists/testneo/config.db.tmp.vacarme.7789'
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
    kids = main(lock)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 264, in main
    mlist.Save()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 858, in Save
    self.__save(dict)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 815, in __save
    fp = open(fname_tmp, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/lib/mailman/lists/testneo/config.db.tmp.vacarme.7789'

Thanks fot your help
Denis



From ed.rogers at innernet.org  Thu Nov  7 17:19:41 2002
From: ed.rogers at innernet.org (Ed A. Rogers)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:19:41 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Post Installation Woes: Redhat 7.2 
Message-ID: <006401c28679$7a17cc60$5225870a@DELL4300>

gA7GDdI17774: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist",
ctladdr=<testlist-request at xxxxx.xxx> (8/0), delay=00:00:01,
xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=30034, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Operating
system error

I get this error regardless if I use the sendmail module or the smtp
module. Clearly the mail is received but is somehow getting lost. The
queue is empty.


I run majordomo on this same box and I wanted to make the switch to
mailman because it does more what I want a mailing list to use than
majordomo does.


Any help is appreciated,
-Ed

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From benjamin at honeyroot.com  Mon Nov  4 22:37:33 2002
From: benjamin at honeyroot.com (info_honeyroot.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:37:33 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not posting to list
Message-ID: <019201c2844a$6317ddb0$0401a8c0@BOPPYERMOBILE>

hi i wonder if you could help,
I've installed mailman fine, and it does seem to work fine, well it lets people subscribe and sned them the relevant emails, but for some reason when someone sends a email to the list (info at honeyroot.com) it send it's to the owner's email which was set up when making a new list, via comand line, but it dosn't send it to the other users who are subscribed to the list? I've looked in the web admin interface and it's not in the pending page, and not sure how to get it working. I've looked on the F&Q's but can't find help, so if you could help that would be brilliant, I've enclosed my maillog to help you

kind regards

Benjamin

I'm running python 1.5.2 on Red Hat Linux 7.1 2 on linux-i386
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From frankose at ifi.uio.no  Tue Nov  5 13:41:59 2002
From: frankose at ifi.uio.no (Frank Olaf)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:41:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] too many log-files
Message-ID: <000801c284c8$bbbebb40$0200000a@zepplin>

Every now and then my harddisk gets filled up with about 200000 files in the /var/log/mailman dir.  This is too much for linux to handle, so it hang.  When I try removing the files with rm *, it reports that there are too many arguments.  Obviousley it is quite annoying that this happens and I would very much like to turn the "feature" of.  Does anyone know what happens and how I can prevent it?  You can find a printout of the fillelist here: http://kolaf.dynu.com/filliste.txt

Frank Olaf
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From rcm at sasaska.net  Tue Nov  5 16:11:46 2002
From: rcm at sasaska.net (Rafael Cordones Marcos)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:11:46 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Translation in E-mail
Message-ID: <4335.213.100.45.224.1036509106.squirrel@sasaska.net>

Hi folks,

I have been searching the Mailman website and have not found any reference
to what I am looking for, i.e. translating e-mail. I am not talking
about translating the Mailman software or documentation but translating
the e-mails that people send to the mailing list.

I am looking for the following functionality in a mailing list software:

 - As an administrator:

    - set up some default machine translation (MT) engine.
      For example, I want to use Babelfish for translating between
      English and Spanish but I wat to use some other engine for
      translating between German and Swedish.

    - specify the subject of the mailing list and thus improving the
      translation results. For instance, I can specify that the
      mailing list is about "Technical -> Operating Systems -> Minix"
      (just kidding).

 - As a user:

    - I want to subscribe to the mailing list and specify my
      language (natural) language preferences. Say I want specify
      {Catalan, Spanish, German}.

    - e-mail going to the list gets sent to a machine translation
      before it gets sent to me. I can optionaly say to the
      mailing list software that I want to receive also the original
      message.

    - If I do not like the translation of an e-mail I can choose some
      other machine translation engine. I may decide that some other
      translation engine does a better job or even pay to get
      get better translations. Maybe the administrator forgot to
      specify a machine translation engine for Euskera<->Farsi and
      I know of one that just started operating.

I would appreciate any information you may have on this topic. Maybe
somebody has started implementing this in Mailman or is already
implemented? Send me any comments, problems you see on the aforementioned
working schema,  flames, ...

Thanks a lot for your time!

Rafa


-- 
Link of the week:
Der flexible Mensch. Robert Kurtz.
[es] http://www.rebelion.org/economia/rkurz011002.htm
[de] http://www.krisis.org/r-kurz_flexible-mensch_folha.html
[en] If you find it, tell me!




From peter.zautasvili at damson.hu  Tue Nov  5 16:50:10 2002
From: peter.zautasvili at damson.hu (Zautasvili Peter)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:50:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SQL
Message-ID: <002b01c284e3$0c9fd840$1c6b26c3@weelee>

Dear Ms/Mr,

is there any way to use SQL (MySQL) database for storing members.
It would be very cool, if Mailman could use a column of an SQL table to get e-mail addresses.

Do You know anything about how to solve this without extra cron scripts?

Regards,

            Peter Zautasvili
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From davidsonr at fuse.net  Wed Nov  6 02:51:23 2002
From: davidsonr at fuse.net (Ronald A. Davidson)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 20:51:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Baffled
Message-ID: <3DC8759B.5090002@fuse.net>

Let's assume that after many hours of retrying to get qmail and mailman 
to work together, I have exhausted all my skills. I simply cannot get 
qmail to mail to the members of a list. I get the infamous failure 
notice. qmail works fine, mailman works up to mail time.
Can anyone suggest anything?



From nicky at xteens.com.br  Wed Nov  6 09:16:29 2002
From: nicky at xteens.com.br (Nicky)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 06:16:29 -0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two questions
Message-ID: <000c01c2856c$d766b5b0$8900a8c0@piero>

Hello

I'm a user of Mailman software. First of all, congratulations for this very nice program.
I would like to ask two small questions about it:

1- The Posting Held for Approval can only be seen in plain text format. Is there some way in which the administrator can view the messages for approval in HTML (mime) format? Or, some command which displays each pending message individually?
2- Is it possible to configure my list to automaticaly discard messages from non-members? Usually, a message from a non-member goes to the Pending Messagens.

That's it. Thanks for the support!

Nicky
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From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie  Thu Nov  7 01:04:31 2002
From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:04:31 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing messages unread
Message-ID: <200211070004.31803.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie>


I have a fast number of messages in various mailman lists I run,
virtually all of them spam.
I now run SpamAssassin on the lists, so hope this is over.

But now I would like to remove all old, unread messages
from these lists.

I looked this up in the FAQ,
and found an item (1.12) which seemed to address this problem;
but unfortunately I did not understand the first step:

1) Delete all current requests for the list using the web Admin. 
This will make the file request.db empty for that list.

What exactly is the "web Admin"?
Does it mean I have to go through all 1000 messages on the web?.


-- 
Timothy Murphy  
e-mail: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie
tel: 00353-86-233 6090
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland


From frederic.perrouin at unilog.fr  Thu Nov  7 18:10:37 2002
From: frederic.perrouin at unilog.fr (Frederic Perrouin)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:10:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in mailman version 2.0.11 on debian
Message-ID: <F9B8F7D6B41C89439B359C8491B1C1417ED988@sepsrv1.sep.unilog.fr>

Hello,

Has somebody got the same problem with installing mailman on debian 3.0
???
I can't go on administration page ???

Fr?d?ric Perrouin


From dan at ssc.com  Thu Nov  7 18:17:42 2002
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:17:42 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman/postfix suite
In-Reply-To: <MEEBLBLBECJFBEIDIEHCEEDNEIAA.den@altern.org>
References: <MEEBLBLBECJFBEIDIEHCEEDNEIAA.den@altern.org>
Message-ID: <20021107091742.D11427@ssc.com>

On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 03:31:41PM +0100, Denis wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I try to configure mailman with postfix.
> 
> I think the config for aliases is good but i have a permission denied.
> 

[ ... ]

>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
>     self.Load()
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 893, in Load
>     dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 870, in __load
>     fp = open(dbfile)
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> '/var/lib/mailman/lists/testneo/config.db'
> 
> What can i do ?

Examine the file permissions on config.db?

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From richard at imagecraft.com  Thu Nov  7 18:28:13 2002
From: richard at imagecraft.com (Richard F. Man)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 09:28:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ways to prevent mailman loops?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021107092604.0354ea88@192.168.100.11>

Some odd reasons, mailman went crazy today and sent out the digest 
repeatedly on one of the lists. I'm not whether it is a mail loop or just a 
bug in the system. Is there a way to set a timed delay between digests are 
sent?

// richard <http://www.imagecraft.com> 
<http://www.dragonsgate.net/mailman/listinfo>
On-line orders, support, and listservers available on web site.
[ For technical support on ImageCraft products, please include all previous 
replies in your msgs. ]



From dan at ssc.com  Thu Nov  7 18:51:35 2002
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:51:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ways to prevent mailman loops?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021107092604.0354ea88@192.168.100.11>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021107092604.0354ea88@192.168.100.11>
Message-ID: <20021107095135.B11789@ssc.com>

On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 09:28:13AM -0800, Richard F. Man wrote:
> Some odd reasons, mailman went crazy today and sent out the digest 
> repeatedly on one of the lists. I'm not whether it is a mail loop or just a 
> bug in the system. Is there a way to set a timed delay between digests are 
> sent?

0) Get at least two different looped emails and figure out from
   the "Received:" headers where the loop is happening.  Chances
   are it isn't Mailman.

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Nov  7 19:30:11 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 07 Nov 2002 13:30:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ways to prevent mailman loops?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021107092604.0354ea88@192.168.100.11>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021107092604.0354ea88@192.168.100.11>
Message-ID: <1036693811.5573.59.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Make sure you are running the most current version of mailman.

I've seen loop problems before when there is a problem on the server. 
The most notable cause is lack of disk space on a key volume, but it can
also happen if your memory is stretched too far.

If you are running an earlier version of Mailman, then it might have
been caused by a malformed (at least in Mailman's eyes) header on the
message.

Can't be much help without specifics of:
  Mailman Version
  OS it is running on
  MTA and version
  Pertinent Log file entries from both your MTA and Mailman

In your case it might also help to see if anything cropped up in the
Messages log file before or during the problem.

>From past emails to the list, (and assuming you are up to date on your
version of Mailman) I would guess that the problem is your system or its
resources. 

Good Luck!

On Thu, 2002-11-07 at 12:28, Richard F. Man wrote:
> Some odd reasons, mailman went crazy today and sent out the digest 
> repeatedly on one of the lists. I'm not whether it is a mail loop or just a 
> bug in the system. Is there a way to set a timed delay between digests are 
> sent?
> 
> // richard <http://www.imagecraft.com> 
> <http://www.dragonsgate.net/mailman/listinfo>
> On-line orders, support, and listservers available on web site.
> [ For technical support on ImageCraft products, please include all previous 
> replies in your msgs. ]
> 
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From admin at cs.montana.edu  Thu Nov  7 19:30:50 2002
From: admin at cs.montana.edu (Lucas Albers)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:30:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
In-Reply-To: <E2A41F3CFE5FD411ABC900508BAE0BEE032CB326@power.coe.montana.edu>
Message-ID: <E2A41F3CFE5FD411ABC900508BAE0BEE02753B96@power.coe.montana.edu>

Deleting lists
I run the program rmlist, and the lists still show up when I view it on
this page:
http://localhost.blah.blah/mailman/admin

Any idea what else I need to do, to delete a list?


> --Luke
> --Computer Science Sysadmin, MSU Bozeman
> --admin(AT)cs.montana.edu 994-3931 
-----Original Message-----
?
?




From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Nov  7 19:46:53 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 10:46:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] too many log-files 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Frank Olaf" <frankose@ifi.uio.no> 
	<000801c284c8$bbbebb40$0200000a@zepplin> 
References: <000801c284c8$bbbebb40$0200000a@zepplin> 
Message-ID: <26407.1036694813@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:41:59 +0100 
Frank Olaf <frankose at ifi.uio.no> wrote:

> Every now and then my harddisk gets filled up with about 200000 files
> in the /var/log/mailman dir.  

Use logrotate.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From dave-ml at dribin.org  Thu Nov  7 19:34:51 2002
From: dave-ml at dribin.org (Dave Dribin)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:34:51 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner import error on regex module
In-Reply-To: <20021106174259.GB14869@neo.realtors.org>
References: <20021106174259.GB14869@neo.realtors.org>
Message-ID: <20021107183451.GD20368@neo.realtors.org>

On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 11:42:59AM -0600, Dave Dribin wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> My setup is RedHat 7.2 with the default Python RPMs installed, Postfix
> 1.1.10 (installed from source), and Mailman 2.0.13 (installed from
> source).  I installed Mailman with these options:
> 
> ./configure  --with-mail-gid=mailman --with-cgi-gid=www \
>              --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.1

I suspect something is broken with the Python 2.1 installation,
specifically the regex module was never compiled in.  I fell back to
1.5 (i.e. just /usr/bin/python) which *does* have regex, and a flurry
of messages were sent (i.e. all is working).  I'm still baffled as to
how it worked at all.  I *swear* it was working for a month on Python
2.1 before it flaked out.  And I also *swear* that I didn't touch
Python 2.1 (i.e. it's the *same* RPM as the day I installed the
machine).  I must be losing my mind....

Actually, I just thought of theory.  Prior to Oct. 10, all messages
sent just went through.  There were no detained messages, i.e. qrunner
had nothing to do.  Since then, 3 messages have been "detained" for
the admin to look at.  My theory is that a message that goes right
through never needs the regex Python module, but qrunner needs regex,
So for the first month of operation, everything worked, but as soon as
something triggered qrunner, all hell broke lose.  Not only did the
detained messages never go through, but the email to the admin never
went through either.  The only reason I solved the problem is that a
user said that a message never got through.  I also need to check the
Mailman logs more frequently than I do.

In any case, if the "regex" module is absolutely required (as seems to
be the case), shouldn't the "./configure" script check for this and
tell me *before* I install Mailman?  It seems easy enough to detect.

-Dave, confused, but glad all is working


From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Nov  7 19:23:24 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 07 Nov 2002 13:23:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing messages unread
In-Reply-To: <200211070004.31803.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie>
References: <200211070004.31803.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie>
Message-ID: <1036693405.5573.52.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

First of all you need to delete all the queued up files for your list. 
The FAQ 1.12 should indicate how to do that (it's in the script!). Then
there are a couple of things you can do:

- After you delete all the waiting queued up files run the web admindb
for your list, it will see that you have deleted all the waiting
requests and then dump the data out of your existing request.db file, or

-  Simply copy the request.db file from another list (with no current
requests) over your lists request.db.

There are some other clever hacks which you might want to investigate. 
One is make the default for the admindb page be "Discard".  Then you
only have to wait for the page to finish opening and then you can click
on the Commit button to get rid of all the held requests.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

======
On Wed, 2002-11-06 at 19:04, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> 
> I have a fast number of messages in various mailman lists I run,
> virtually all of them spam.
> I now run SpamAssassin on the lists, so hope this is over.
> 
> But now I would like to remove all old, unread messages
> from these lists.
> 
> I looked this up in the FAQ,
> and found an item (1.12) which seemed to address this problem;
> but unfortunately I did not understand the first step:
> 
> 1) Delete all current requests for the list using the web Admin. 
> This will make the file request.db empty for that list.
> 
> What exactly is the "web Admin"?
> Does it mean I have to go through all 1000 messages on the web?.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Timothy Murphy  
> e-mail: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie
> tel: 00353-86-233 6090
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From dave-ml at dribin.org  Thu Nov  7 20:14:14 2002
From: dave-ml at dribin.org (Dave Dribin)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:14:14 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner import error on regex module
In-Reply-To: <20021107183451.GD20368@neo.realtors.org>
References: <20021106174259.GB14869@neo.realtors.org>
	<20021107183451.GD20368@neo.realtors.org>
Message-ID: <20021107191414.GA20602@neo.realtors.org>

On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 12:34:51PM -0600, Dave Dribin wrote:
> Actually, I just thought of theory.  Prior to Oct. 10, all messages
> sent just went through.  There were no detained messages, i.e. qrunner
> had nothing to do.  Since then, 3 messages have been "detained" for
> the admin to look at.  My theory is that a message that goes right
> through never needs the regex Python module, but qrunner needs regex,
> So for the first month of operation, everything worked, but as soon as
> something triggered qrunner, all hell broke lose.  Not only did the
> detained messages never go through, but the email to the admin never
> went through either.  The only reason I solved the problem is that a
> user said that a message never got through.  I also need to check the
> Mailman logs more frequently than I do.

Ok, I did a little research to verify this.  The only place the
"regsub" or "regex" modules are used are in Bouncers/Catchall.py.
Further more, the only place Catchall is used is
Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py.  And finally, the only places BouncerAPI is
used is cron/qrunner.  Thus qrunner is dependent on regex, but it is
also the only place requiring regex.

> In any case, if the "regex" module is absolutely required (as seems to
> be the case), shouldn't the "./configure" script check for this and
> tell me *before* I install Mailman?  It seems easy enough to detect.

It does indeed seem that "regex" is required for qrunner to work, and
hence Mailman.  Is it very unusual not to have "regex"?  Is RH 7.2
Python > 1.5 essentially broken?  FWIW, I've checked RH 7.3.  It ships
with Python 2.2 and 2.0.  Both have "regex" built in.

-Dave


From jtomasello at RARealtors.com  Thu Nov  7 20:53:17 2002
From: jtomasello at RARealtors.com (Jim Tomasello)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:53:17 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about sync_members
Message-ID: <229BB39D805D3B4F89784F62FDBBD7160CC0@lothlorian.rarealtors.com>

Good afternoon. I'm running a new setup of mailman, the version that comes
with Red Hat 8.0. My problem isn't with Mailman per se, but with the
sync_members script that comes with it. 
 
I am trying to load members from a text file. The file has one email address
per line and contains 2,086 emails. When I run the script using the
following command while logged in as root, "./sync_members -n -w=no -a=no -f
members realtor-members", doing the dry run, everything seems fine. When I
remove the -n parameter to run it live, it gets through 2,043 emails and
then generates the following error:
 
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./sync_members", line 257, in ?
    main()
  File "./sync_members", line 240, in main
    welcome, notifyadmin)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1054, in ApprovedAddMember
    raise e, v
Mailman.Errors.MMBadEmailError

Now I've looked at the addresses around the one it appears to be dying on,
and they look fine. I have no idea what this is telling me the problem is.
I've looked in the /var/logs/mailman dir to see if I can find any evidence
of what's going on, to no avail. Anyone out there have any idea where I
should start looking to figure this one out? Any help would be appreciated.
 
James Tomasello
Information Technology Specialist
Central Virginia Regional MLS and
The Richmond Association of REALTORS?
voice: 804.422.5025
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From sweilnau at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Nov  7 22:16:01 2002
From: sweilnau at cnri.reston.va.us (Stanley Weilnau)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 16:16:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password email headers question
Message-ID: <3DCAD811.7090305@cnri.reston.va.us>


I am having a problem with the headers in the password emails sent out 
on a monthly basis.  The Sender: and Errors-to: fields are being set to 
the same list name for all the messages including ones for users that 
are not subscribed to that list.

What would be the best way of either fixing this to be the a list the 
reciever is subscribed to or changing this so for the password reminders 
so that the Sender: and Errors-to: are set to mailman-owner.

This is on Mailman 2.0.12.

Thank you,
Stanley Weilnau



From davin at pacifier.com  Fri Nov  8 00:06:41 2002
From: davin at pacifier.com (Davin Dahlgren)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:06:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple unsubscribes via email
Message-ID: <01eb01c286b2$59247f60$3201a8c0@DAVIN>

Is there a way to unsubscribe multiple addresses via email?

Is there a way to specify that individual unsubscribes via email should
be executed without password authorization?

 

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From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Nov  8 13:03:58 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 12:03:58 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about sync_members
In-Reply-To: <229BB39D805D3B4F89784F62FDBBD7160CC0@lothlorian.rarealtors
 .com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021108104137.00a98e80@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 19:53 07/11/2002, Jim Tomasello wrote:
>Good afternoon. I'm running a new setup of mailman, the version that comes 
>with Red Hat 8.0. My problem isn't with Mailman per se, but with the 
>sync_members script that comes with it.
>

Its better to specify the actual Mailman version number but lets assume 
that it is 2.0.x

>I am trying to load members from a text file. The file has one email 
>address per line and contains 2,086 emails. When I run the script using 
>the following command while logged in as root, "./sync_members -n -w=no 
>-a=no -f members realtor-members", doing the dry run, everything seems 
>fine. When I remove the -n parameter to run it live, it gets through 2,043 
>emails and then generates the following error:
>
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "./sync_members", line 257, in ?
>     main()
>   File "./sync_members", line 240, in main
>     welcome, notifyadmin)
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1054, in ApprovedAddMember
>     raise e, v
>Mailman.Errors.MMBadEmailError
>Now I've looked at the addresses around the one it appears to be dying on, 
>and they look fine. I have no idea what this is telling me the problem is. 
>I've looked in the /var/logs/mailman dir to see if I can find any evidence 
>of what's going on, to no avail. Anyone out there have any idea where I 
>should start looking to figure this one out? Any help would be appreciated.
>

Looking at the MM 2.0.13 code.

The only circumstance that I can see where Errors.MMBadEmailError is raised 
without  sync_members printing something like this and exiting:

Invalid :  <faulty email address>'
You must fix the preceding invalid addresses first.

is if  the maillist's own email address is on the list., i.e. you are 
trying to subscribe the list to itself.. Could that be the case??

This error is generated at line 970 of $prefix/Mailman/MailList.py in 
function AddMember.



From Mark.McRitchie at salamis.co.uk  Fri Nov  8 14:10:33 2002
From: Mark.McRitchie at salamis.co.uk (Mark McRitchie)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:10:33 -0000 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the digest subject line
Message-ID: <293AE16A0620D411835300508B78832FA862F5@ABZEXHNTK>

Hi there,

I've googled and looked every where else I can think of, and it seems like
something simple.

How do I change the subject line of digest mailings?

I'm using Mailman 2.0.11 on Debian Woody.

(Feel free to slap me if I've missed something blatantly obvious)

Regards,
Mark.





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From kaja at daimi.au.dk  Fri Nov  8 14:50:42 2002
From: kaja at daimi.au.dk (Kaja P. Christiansen)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:50:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect info in headers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0211061313400.1053-100000@argo.cit.nih.gov>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0211061313400.1053-100000@argo.cit.nih.gov>
Message-ID: <15819.49458.365204.90235@sparkle.daimi.au.dk>



Eric Trager writes:

 > The problem we are having is that the monthly messages for the different
 > lists and users all end up with the same Return-Path, Sender, and
 > Errors-to headers, which contain the address of the admin for one of the
 > lists (it so happens it's the first list that was created at this site).
 > What this boils down to is once a month, bounce errors for invalid
 > addresses for lists 3, 4, and 7, the ones that send out the monthly
 > reminders, all go to the admin for list 1. 

We are having the same problem. I am managing mailman lists at two different
sites. From each site, I received error reports from a list admin about 
receiving bounce errros from another list. And as in your case, the
list that would receive the bounces was the first list created at that site.

The problems started this summer, around the time we switched to mailman 
2.0.13 (could be pure coincidence though). I couldn't figure out how to
solve it; there has been nothing suspicious in the log files. So, I am 
currently working on making transition to 2.1b4, hoping this will make 
the problem go away...

Kaja



From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Nov  8 15:11:36 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 14:11:36 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about sync_members
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021108124635.00a98d38@pop.ftel.co.uk>

Forget what I originally said. below. That AddMember function is not called 
during execution of sync_members.

Indeed, it appears that there is no check in sync_members (or indeed 
add_members) to prevent a list being subscribed to itself. This is so in MM 
2.0.13. and also in 2.1b4.

Getting back to your problem.

Utils.ValidateEmail is first called at line 194 of sync_members for each 
email address in the input file. If an incoming mail address is invalid the 
script should print something like this and exit:

Invalid: <faulty email address>
You must fix the preceding invalid addresses first.

You do not say that you are getting this output which identifies the faulty 
email address.

Utils.ValidateEmail checks each email address as follows:

1. it has a userid and domain part separated by an @ char

2. the userid is not empty

3.  the domain has at least one period character in it

If you are not getting that error message output from sync_members, the 
strange thing is that the Errors.MMBadEmailError would then seem to 
originate when the Utils.ValidateEmail  is called a second time in respect 
of the same datum.

This occurs when Utils.ValidateEmail is again called at line 1096 of 
Mailman/MailList.py as the new members are actually added to the list.

The traceback you supplied seems to indicate this is when the error is 
occurring.

If this exception is being reported during this second round of processing 
it is not immediately obvious to me why this is happening.

If your or anybody else can offer a solution I'd like to know what it is. 
Must be something obvious but I cannot spot it right now.

At 19:53 07/11/2002, Jim Tomasello wrote:
>Good afternoon. I'm running a new setup of mailman, the version that comes 
>with Red Hat 8.0. My problem isn't with Mailman per se, but with the 
>sync_members script that comes with it.
>

Its better to specify the actual Mailman version number but lets assume 
that it is 2.0.x

>I am trying to load members from a text file. The file has one email 
>address per line and contains 2,086 emails. When I run the script using 
>the following command while logged in as root, "./sync_members -n -w=no 
>-a=no -f members realtor-members", doing the dry run, everything seems 
>fine. When I remove the -n parameter to run it live, it gets through 2,043 
>emails and then generates the following error:
>
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "./sync_members", line 257, in ?
>     main()
>   File "./sync_members", line 240, in main
>     welcome, notifyadmin)
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1054, in ApprovedAddMember
>     raise e, v
>Mailman.Errors.MMBadEmailError
>Now I've looked at the addresses around the one it appears to be dying on, 
>and they look fine. I have no idea what this is telling me the problem is. 
>I've looked in the /var/logs/mailman dir to see if I can find any evidence 
>of what's going on, to no avail. Anyone out there have any idea where I 
>should start looking to figure this one out? Any help would be appreciated.
>

Looking at the MM 2.0.13 code.

The only circumstance that I can see where Errors.MMBadEmailError is raised 
without  sync_members printing something like this and exiting:

Invalid :  <faulty email address>'
You must fix the preceding invalid addresses first.

is if  the maillist's own email address is on the list., i.e. you are 
trying to subscribe the list to itself.. Could that be the case??

This error is generated at line 970 of $prefix/Mailman/MailList.py in 
function AddMember.



From dave at umiacs.umd.edu  Fri Nov  8 17:25:15 2002
From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:25:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nested/umbrella lists
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0211081117100.28783-100000@forest.umiacs.umd.edu>

Is it a correct statement that if you have nested lists, the sub-lists
MUST be open-posting to allow the umbrella list to post to it?

Say I have a list called dave-test  which includes both user addresses and
names of one or more sublists. I thought I'd simply be able to add under
privacy-options in sublist "Addresses of members accepted for posting to
this list without implicit approval requirement". But that didn't seem to
work. What is the format? Is it dave-test at host.domain? dave-test\@host\.domain?

What can the "Alias names (regexps)" be used for?

Thanks



 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 David Stern                                            University of Maryland
                Institute for Advanced Computer Studies



From pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us  Thu Nov  7 18:17:35 2002
From: pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us (peter schoch)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 12:17:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RH7.3 and sendmail 8.x  problem
Message-ID: <sdca59eb.077@mail.sussex.edu>

The reply mailman sends is via email, that's why I believe that sendmail is OK.  It goes out to all of my subscribers, and that's why they are asking me what's up ? they get the confirmation, they can email in and it is posted to the archives, but nothing comes back to the list members.

Essentially, mailman is functioning like a very high maintenance BBS system at this point.

I have checked several places for logs.  While I have some attempted ftp attacks from belgium and france, and some attempted mail forwarding by 'spamers', I have no errors for mailman or sendmail.

I am almost at the point of just dumping the whole machine and doing an entire re-install of RH 7.3 to see if there is something wrong.  I had an old RH 6.2 machine, and it took me less than a day to install and get mailman working on that one.  I figured 7.3 would be an improvement ? what a mistake.

Peter Schoch


*****************************************
Peter Schoch
Physics and CIS
Sussex County Community College
1 College Hill
Newton, NJ 07860
Office:  973-300-2342
pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us
FAX:  973-579-1620

>>> michael shiloh <michael at makingthings.com> 11/06/02 02:34PM >>>
peter, your situation sounds a lot like mine. when you say
below "The mailman does send out confirmations of
subscribing" is this an email message or the web page? and
do you receive this email message at the destination?

have you checked for mail/mailman messages in
/var/log/messages?

hope this helps
michael


On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, peter schoch wrote:

> Ok, I've done some work...
> 
> 
> >If it's not the cron, then:
> >- have you setup a smrsh link to the wrapper >program (does your MTA use
> >smrsh)?
> 
> The mailman does send out confirmations of subscribing to the list.  It just doesn't send out the mail messages.
> 
> >- is your MTA listening on every port or on >limited ports?
> >netstat -na | grep ":25 "
> 
> It is listening.  It archives all messages sent to the list!  It just won't send them back out.  I have tried to alter senmail's relaying by adding the domains of the subscribers, etc. but to no avail.  (Yes I did restart sendmail.)
> 
> >Make sure that it accepts mail sent to localhost >on port 25 (that means
> >also check out your local firewall rules!).
> 
> I have minimal rules now to try and get this to work.
> 
> >Have you looked at the log files for Mailman. They >might give you some
> >information on what is going on.
> 
> I have no files in ~mailman/logs/ directory.
> 
> >BTW: what the heck is "linux 7.3"? Is that Red Hat >Linux version 7.3?
> 
> Sorry, I was (and am) a bit frazzled as to why this is not working.  It is Red Hat 7.3.
> 
> Thanks,
> Peter Schoch
> Good Luck - Jon Carnes 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> 
> This message was sent to: michael at makingthings.com 
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/michael%40makingthings.com 
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From pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us  Thu Nov  7 18:30:16 2002
From: pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us (peter schoch)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 12:30:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] relay host
Message-ID: <sdca5ce9.083@mail.sussex.edu>

Michael,

It sounds like you are having the same trouble I am.  My first fix, for the 'Test' list was to explicitly put in RELAY lines in the access file for the domains of all my subscribers to try and eliminate the relay problem.  This worked on the test list, and since my subscribers are from a narrow number of ISP's, I did it for my "live' lists.

Either way, I'm still only getting email to go to the archives but not to the list members.  Let me know if you get it to work.

Luck,
Peter Schoch


*****************************************
Peter Schoch
Physics and CIS
Sussex County Community College
1 College Hill
Newton, NJ 07860
Office:  973-300-2342
pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us
FAX:  973-579-1620

>>> michael shiloh <michael at makingthings.com> 11/06/02 02:25PM >>>
hi all,

configuration:

  redhat 7.3 with most updates
  linux 2.4.9-21
  python 1.5.2
  sendmail 8.11.6
  mailman 2.0.13
  Apache 1.3.22

i'm having a bit of trouble getting mail sent out from my
recently-installed list server. according to my sendmail
documentation i'm allowing relay from my local host, and in
fact in 

  /etc/mail/access

i have:

  # Check the /usr/share/doc/sendmail-8.11.6/README.cf file for a description
  # of the format of this file. (search for access_db in that file)
  # The /usr/share/doc/sendmail-8.11.6/README.cf is part of the sendmail-doc
  # package.
  #
  # by default we allow relaying from localhost...
  localhost.localdomain           RELAY
  localhost                       RELAY
  127.0.0.1                       RELAY

the symptom is that i can access my list's subscription
website and subscribe. i get the next page that says:

  Confirmation from your email address is required, to
  prevent anyone from subscribing you without permission.
  Instructions are being sent to you at michael at ecsd.com. 

and then i see in my /var/log/messages:

  Nov  6 11:17:06 magritte sendmail[22687]: gA6JH6J22687:
  ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<michael at ecsd.com>,
  relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1], reject=551 5.7.1 
  we do not relay

normally from this same host i can send email anywhere
(including to michael at ecsd.com) so it is something that
mailman is adding (or perhaps leaving off?). 

normally i send email from pine, and i have in pine
specifically set my domain. it occurred to me that i've
never told mailman what domain to use. perhaps it's picking
up some default which i never bothered setting? where would
it get this info? not hostname, since that gives a valid
address:

  # hostname
  magritte.magrittesystems.com

any ideas gleefully accepted, with much appreciation.

michael





From gp-dev at planet3k.com  Thu Nov  7 20:11:17 2002
From: gp-dev at planet3k.com (Gary Pupurs)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:11:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders
Message-ID: <000501c28691$7602a560$b9070a0a@gpupurs>

Please consider switching the base code of mailman to send quarterly instead
of monthly 'reminders' to subscribers.  As an avid subscriber of lists, it's
annoying to get these messages every month, when every 3 or 6 months would
suffice.

Thanks!

-g




From bkacmarsky at rwu.edu  Fri Nov  8 17:58:35 2002
From: bkacmarsky at rwu.edu (Brian C. Kacmarsky)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:58:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading to Version 2.1
Message-ID: <4FC51706E9DC424A9E5154F9189DE5DB383B@postoffice.rwu.edu>

Hello,
 
I am interested in upgrading our Mailman Software to Version 2.1 and
have a few questions on how to do this.  Our site (Roger Williams
University) currently uses Version 2.0.3.
 
The main reason for our decision to upgrade to Version 2.1 is due to the
fact that the footers do not show up on some of the list messages.
After review your FAQ I saw the solution was to upgrade to 2.1.
 
I have read the documentation both online and in the tar file regarding
updating the version and am a bit confused.
 
Do you have a site or document you can send me that will list the
correct steps that I should take in upgrading to version 2.1.
 
 
Thanks.
 
Brian
 
 
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From mleisher at crl.nmsu.edu  Fri Nov  8 19:25:32 2002
From: mleisher at crl.nmsu.edu (Mark Leisher)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:25:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Admin password problem
Message-ID: <15820.412.897240.199333@helion.crl.nmsu.edu>


    Mark> Setup: Solaris 2.8 Python 2.2.2 Mailman 2.0.13 Mozilla 1.1 (Enable
    Mark> all cookies)

    Mark> List and site passwords always fail authentication.  Any relevant
    Mark> clues?

Answering my own question:

  Mailman.Crypt.crypt() is returning a different result every time for the
  same password when Python 2.2.2 is used.

  Python 1.5.2 works.  Haven't tried any other version.
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New Mexico State University               is not so much left/right as
Box 30001, Dept. 3CRL                     anti-idiot.
Las Cruces, NM  88003                          -- Glenn Reynolds


From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Fri Nov  8 19:31:01 2002
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:31:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders
In-Reply-To: <000501c28691$7602a560$b9070a0a@gpupurs>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0211081030260.12286-100000@gort.cjb.net>

On Nov 7, 2002 at 14:11, Gary Pupurs wrote:

>Please consider switching the base code of mailman to send quarterly instead
>of monthly 'reminders' to subscribers.  As an avid subscriber of lists, it's
>annoying to get these messages every month, when every 3 or 6 months would
>suffice.

You can change the cron setting.

-- 
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"Mr. Worf, scan that ship."  "Aye Captain. 300 dpi?"



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Nov  8 19:44:35 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:44:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0211081030260.12286-100000@gort.cjb.net>
Message-ID: <206A912B-F34A-11D6-A0D5-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>

>> Please consider switching the base code of mailman to send quarterly 
>> instead
>> of monthly 'reminders' to subscribers.  As an avid subscriber of 
>> lists, it's
>> annoying to get these messages every month, when every 3 or 6 months 
>> would
>> suffice.
>
> You can change the cron setting.
>

I think he's saying that the default for mailman ought to be quarterly, 
and I got the impression he was speaking as a user, not an admin -- 
someone who GETS all of those messages every month.

Monthly is traditional, but I think it's worthy of some thought. With 
the List-* headers in the message, and the footer that traditionally 
points to the info pages (and with 2.1, that can be customized to the 
user), do we still need to send out reminders monthly?


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/

Stress is when you wake up screaming and you realize you haven't fallen 
asleep yet.



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Nov  8 19:44:35 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:44:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0211081030260.12286-100000@gort.cjb.net>
Message-ID: <206A912B-F34A-11D6-A0D5-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>

>> Please consider switching the base code of mailman to send quarterly 
>> instead
>> of monthly 'reminders' to subscribers.  As an avid subscriber of 
>> lists, it's
>> annoying to get these messages every month, when every 3 or 6 months 
>> would
>> suffice.
>
> You can change the cron setting.
>

I think he's saying that the default for mailman ought to be quarterly, 
and I got the impression he was speaking as a user, not an admin -- 
someone who GETS all of those messages every month.

Monthly is traditional, but I think it's worthy of some thought. With 
the List-* headers in the message, and the footer that traditionally 
points to the info pages (and with 2.1, that can be customized to the 
user), do we still need to send out reminders monthly?


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/

Stress is when you wake up screaming and you realize you haven't fallen 
asleep yet.



From bkacmarsky at rwu.edu  Fri Nov  8 19:50:51 2002
From: bkacmarsky at rwu.edu (Brian C. Kacmarsky)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:50:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading from 2.0.3 to 2.1
Message-ID: <4FC51706E9DC424A9E5154F9189DE5DB1B86AC@postoffice.rwu.edu>

Hello All,
 
I just inherited a Redhat Linux server running Mailman 2.0.3.   I was
asked to research why the footers of the messages were not always
appearing when a user would post to the list.  After doing some testing
I found out that only plain text messages were attaching these footers
and not messages sent in HTML format.  After doing some research on the
web.  I read the FAQ section and saw the the solution to this problem is
to upgrade to Version 2.1.
 
The main reason for my email is to find out if anyone has or knows where
I can find any step by step documentation on how to do the installation
process.  Being new to the software package as well as this server any
help would be appreciated.
 
Thanks.
 
Brian Kacmarsky
Systems Administrator    
Roger Williams University
 
 
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From btate2 at spsu.edu  Fri Nov  8 20:28:00 2002
From: btate2 at spsu.edu (Bryce Tate)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:28:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM and mhonarc problems...
Message-ID: <1326.168.28.177.68.1036783680.squirrel@mail.spsu.edu>

I am testing mailman for use at my university, and we want to be able to
support different MIME types in the archives.  I've installed Mhonarc and
I followed the directions of a very helpful list member from an earlier
post to the group.  When I manually run:

mhonarc -mbox $prefix/archives/private/yourmaillist.mbox/yourmaillist.mbox
-outdir /var/mhonarc/archives/yourmaillist -rcfile
/var/mhonarc/archives/yourmaillist/main.mrc

All of the messages (if I have any) move over just fine, but new messages
are archived automatically...I have this in the /var/log/mailman/error
file:

Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884): Traceback (most recent call last):
Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884):   File
"/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 213, in ArchiveMail
Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884):    
self.ExternalArchive(mm_cfg.PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, txt)
Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884):   File
"/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 174, in ExternalArchive
Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884):     syslog('error', 'external archiver
non-zero exit status: %d\n' %
Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884): TypeError: unsupported operand type(s)
for >>: 'str' and 'int'
Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 (1884) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: testlist

I even created an empty test list (as seen above) and it didn't have any
messages in it.  When I sent my first message to the list, the above is
also what the /var/log/mailman/error file reported.

Does anyone know what could be wrong?  I'm hoping that i'm not the only
one on this list who has had this problem before.  Below is my mm_cfg.py
file.  I also have appropriate aliases set in httpd.conf

And other than this Mhonarc issue (and pipermails lack of MIME support)
I've been very pleased with Mailman (and related programs), and my
recommendation will be that we use it.

Thanks for any feedback!

Bryce

#######################################################
#    Here's where we get the distributed defaults.    #

from Defaults import *
import pwd, grp

##############################################################
#    Here's where we override shipped defaults with settings #
#    suitable for the RPM package.                           #
MAILMAN_UID = pwd.getpwnam('mailman')[2]
MAILMAN_GID = grp.getgrnam('mailman')[2]
LOG_DIR     = '/var/log/mailman'
QUEUE_DIR   = '/var/spool/mailman/qfiles'

##############################################################
# Put YOUR site-specific configuration below, in mm_cfg.py . #
# See Defaults.py for explanations of the values.	     #

DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = '<MYHOSTNAME>'
DEFAULT_URL       = '<MYDEFAULTURL>'
MAILMAN_OWNER     = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME

# Note - if you're looking for something that is imported from mm_cfg, but
you
# didn't find it above, it's probably in Defaults.py.

PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mhonarchive'
PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mhonarchive'
PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/usr/bin/mhonarc -add -outdir
/var/mhonarc/archives/%(listname)s'
PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/usr/bin/mhonarc -add -outdir
/var/mhonarc/archives/%(listname)s'
#PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX,
'/var/mhonarc/archives/', 'private')




From btate2 at spsu.edu  Fri Nov  8 20:38:48 2002
From: btate2 at spsu.edu (Bryce Tate)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:38:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM and mhonarc problems...
In-Reply-To: <1326.168.28.177.68.1036783680.squirrel@mail.spsu.edu>
References: <1326.168.28.177.68.1036783680.squirrel@mail.spsu.edu>
Message-ID: <1362.168.28.177.68.1036784328.squirrel@mail.spsu.edu>

<SNIP>
> but new
> messages are archived automatically...

I'm sorry, I did a poor job proof reading, this should read that the
messages are NOT being archived automatically!

Thanks,

Bryce





From jsingh at fdu.edu  Fri Nov  8 20:54:09 2002
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:54:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with sendmail & mailman config
Message-ID: <005401c28760$9a2c2630$9a0bee84@FDUJACK>

Hello People
This is what I did, I configured my mailman and sendmail.
The messages are only being sent to the users in a digested format. No
one is receiving the individual emails being sent out.
When I check the mailq it says there is nothing pending.
But on the other hand I can go the archives on the http interface and
check the individual messages. Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong
here.
I am pulling my hair out here.
Thanks
Newbie
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From tcs at chacity.org  Fri Nov  8 21:26:59 2002
From: tcs at chacity.org (Clay Stuckey)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:26:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation problem
Message-ID: <000e01c28765$3105b720$9865fea9@chacity.org>

I have RedHat 7.3 with all current updates. When I follow the instructions
to set up mail man and restart apache, I get the following error:
Starting httpd: Syntax error on line 5 of
/etc/httpd/conf/httpd-mailman.conf:
Invalid command 'ScriptAlias', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module
not included in the server configuration

I have the line "Include conf/httpd-mailman.conp" in my httpd.conf. I stuck
it at the top of the script. Any ideas?




Sincerely,
Clay Stuckey - RHCE, CCNA, MCSE
Charleston Housing Authority - MIS Manager



From jsingh at fdu.edu  Fri Nov  8 22:03:59 2002
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:03:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with sendmail & mailman config
In-Reply-To: <005401c28760$9a2c2630$9a0bee84@FDUJACK>
Message-ID: <005f01c2876a$5bf63360$9a0bee84@FDUJACK>

On further review , I looked into smtp logs and this the error I got 
All recipients refused: (61, 'Connection refused')
I can telnet to 127.0.0.1 25 just fine. 
Please help
 
-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+jsingh=fdu.edu at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jsingh=fdu.edu at python.org] On Behalf Of
jsingh
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 2:54 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with sendmail & mailman config
 
Hello People
This is what I did, I configured my mailman and sendmail.
The messages are only being sent to the users in a digested format. No
one is receiving the individual emails being sent out.
When I check the mailq it says there is nothing pending.
But on the other hand I can go the archives on the http interface and
check the individual messages. Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong
here.
I am pulling my hair out here.
Thanks
Newbie
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From richard at imagecraft.com  Fri Nov  8 22:31:50 2002
From: richard at imagecraft.com (Richard F. Man)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 13:31:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail failing causing Mailman to go haywire
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021108132438.035a42a0@192.168.100.11>

OK, I found out that my problem is not a mail loop, but that when sending 
out digests, somehow sendmail fails, and cause Mailman to try to resend the 
digest forever. Mailman is 2.0.9, does anyone know how to get the version 
of sendmail?

Here's the excerpt from Mailman's error log:
Nov 08 13:20:05 2002 (21869) Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline
     func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py", line 86, in process
     fp.write(msgtext)
IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe

I did a
         mail -s "test" $(/home/mailman/bin/list_members -d <list>)
to send out a test msg to the digest members and that seem to be fine.

One potential problem is that for NORMAL posting, one of the list members' 
company recently mucked up their mail delivery and one would get this back 
when posting to the list:
***************************
From: TZO Mailer [mailto:mailer at tzo.com]
Sent: 8. november 2002 15:44
To: <XXXX>
Subject: Delivery failure to "'icc-avr at imagecraft.com'"
<icc-avr at imagecraft.com>


Delivery was attempted, but failed because:
554 <icc-avr at imagecraft.com>: Recipient address rejected: Relay access
denied

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Original Message:
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

TZForward: <XXXX>
Received: from 205.219.84.13 by saf.tzo.com
         id 2002110806440965687 for <XXXX>
         Fri, 08 Nov 2002 11:44:09 GMT
Received: from dragonsgate.imagecraft.com (209-128-106-110.BAYAREA.NET
[209.128.106.110])
         by postman.bayarea.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA52937;
         Fri, 8 Nov 2002 03:39:55 -0800 (PST)
         (envelope-from icc-avr-admin at imagecraft.com)
Received: (from mailman at localhost)
         by dragonsgate.imagecraft.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id
gA8Ce3f15336;
         Fri, 8 Nov 2002 04:40:03 -0800
******

I contacted them and they say they will look into the problem. However, can 
a normal user's email problem caused problems for digest mailing?

Thanks for any advice you may have

// richard <http://www.imagecraft.com> 
<http://www.dragonsgate.net/mailman/listinfo>
On-line orders, support, and listservers available on web site.
[ For technical support on ImageCraft products, please include all previous 
replies in your msgs. ]



From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Nov  8 23:35:38 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 14:35:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders 
In-Reply-To: Message from Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui@plaidworks.com> 
	<206A912B-F34A-11D6-A0D5-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> 
References: <206A912B-F34A-11D6-A0D5-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> 
Message-ID: <18802.1036794938@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:44:35 -0800 
Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui at plaidworks.com> wrote:

> Monthly is traditional, but I think it's worthy of some thought. With
> the List-* headers in the message, and the footer that traditionally
> points to the info pages (and with 2.1, that can be customized to the
> user), do we still need to send out reminders monthly?

Writing as an admin: Yes, I like and want the monthly reminders and I
don't want them any less frequent.  Why?  I'm fairly convinced that they
save me from, "unsubscribe me!" messages.  Certainly my rate of such
messages has collapsed since I moved to mailman, and I've a burst of
unsubscribes every month immediately after the reminders go out.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From clawson at jungle.ca  Fri Nov  8 23:38:22 2002
From: clawson at jungle.ca (Chris Lawson)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:38:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where do they keep the site wide templates?
Message-ID: <01d901c28777$984175c0$5103010a@cupedom.local>

...as in the ones used to create the page you see when you visit
/mailman/listinfo/ ?

I'm sorry if this is in the FAQ, but I honestly couldn't find it anywhere.
Nor could I find the site-wide list info template.

cmkl
--
Chris Lawson, Jungle Internet
http://www.jungle.ca



From barry at arhosting.com  Fri Nov  8 23:36:32 2002
From: barry at arhosting.com (Barry Smoke)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 16:36:32 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and qmail gid problem
Message-ID: <3DCC3C70.3080604@arhosting.com>

As the README.QMAIL states, there is a problem with virtual domains, and 
lists, and the way people usually get around it is to use a 
lists.whatever.com virtual domain, and point it directly to mailman,
however, I have a virtual domain, using vmailmgr, which users will 
recieve mail at, so my .qmail-default for that domain(/home/domain.com)
reads:
|usr/bin/vdeliver

I want that to stay, and also have a list called "list" to work on 
domain.com,
so the mailing list address would be list at domain.com

I put in a .qmail-list file in /home/domain.com, and I'm getting the gid 
by qmail...
@400000003dcc360a29b85604 delivery 4: deferral: 
Failure_to_exec_script._WANTED_gid_102,_GOT_gid_65848.__(Reconfigure_to_take_65848?)/

now in the README.QMAIL, it states that if I want to have a user other 
than mailman to deliver to ~mailman,
I can set the mailman directory to setgid, so I chmod 6775 ~mailman, and 
I'm still getting the same error...

I have to make this work,
so any advice is appreciated.

Thanks,
Barry Smoke
Owner arhosting.com




From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Fri Nov  8 23:50:22 2002
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:50:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders
In-Reply-To: <206A912B-F34A-11D6-A0D5-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0211081447140.14045-100000@gort.cjb.net>

On Nov 8, 2002 at 10:44, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:

[original poster said]
>>> Please consider switching the base code of mailman to send quarterly 
>>> instead
>>> of monthly 'reminders' to subscribers.  As an avid subscriber of 
>>> lists, it's
>>> annoying to get these messages every month, when every 3 or 6 months 
>>> would
>>> suffice.

[Satya said]
>> You can change the cron setting.
[back to Chuq]
>I think he's saying that the default for mailman ought to be quarterly, 
>and I got the impression he was speaking as a user, not an admin -- 
>someone who GETS all of those messages every month.

I read it the other way. Of course, if you change the default, you'll
get people wanting to change it back. You can't win. OP should contact
the local admin.

>Monthly is traditional, but I think it's worthy of some thought. With 
>the List-* headers in the message, and the footer that traditionally 
>points to the info pages (and with 2.1, that can be customized to the 
>user), do we still need to send out reminders monthly?

I don't send them out at all, but that's just me. I don't have much
traffic, either.

-- 
Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
I need a job!
Perl, Apache, Linux, C. http://www-scf.usc.edu/~phanse/resume.pdf



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Nov  9 00:22:19 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 08 Nov 2002 18:22:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
 Troubleshooting: no mail goes out to lists - common things to check
In-Reply-To: <sdca59eb.077@mail.sussex.edu>
References: <sdca59eb.077@mail.sussex.edu>
Message-ID: <1036797741.1630.230.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Here are some common things to check when no mail is going out from your
lists.

======
I'm going to assume Sendmail as the MTA (its still the most commonly
found - though postfix is gaining ground):

0) Check_perms. In all cases you should start by checking the
   permissions on the files that were setup:

     ~mailman/bin/check_perms

1) Cron. Make sure that the cron daemon is running

     ps -aux |grep cron |grep -v grep

   This will print out the process information about the cron
   daemon. If it returns a blank line, then cron is NOT running.

2) Aliases. To create a mailman list you ran "newlist" and it
   printed out four lines that you needed to copy to the 
   /etc/aliases file (or wherever your MTA goes to find its
   aliases). Check that the aliases are in /etc/aliases:

     grep wrapper /etc/aliases

   Even if the aliases are there, you may still need to reset
   the aliases hash table so that it includes this new alias
   information:

     newaliases 

    Here is a typical alias listing for a group called "sys":

     ## system mailing list
     sys:           "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post sys"
     sys-admin:     "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner sys"
     sys-request:   "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd sys"
     sys-owner:      sys-admin

3) Smrsh. Check to see if your MTA uses smrsh.  Red Hat as well
   as a few other distributions automatically setup Sendmail to
   use smrsh.  Smrsh stops Sendmail from running a script or
   other program that is included in an alias. Mailman uses a
   program called "wrapper" to run all of its aliases (see the
   alias examples above):

     grep "smrsh" sendmal.cf

   If this comes up blank then Sendmail does not use smrsh; 
   if not, then your server is probably running smrsh and you
   need to make sure that smrsh is setup to allow Mailman's
   wrapper program to run. Locate the smrsh directory and do
   an ls -l of that directory.  On Red Hat:

     ls -l /etc/smrsh

   and the output should be similar to:

     wrapper -> /home/mailman/mail/wrapper

4) Interface. Some distributions in a noble "attempt" to limit
   the number of open relays on the internet, default Sendmail
   so that it listens to a limited number of interfaces. The
   default interface that Mailman list's use is localhost 
   (127.0.0.1) - this is configurable in Mailman's mm_cfg.py 
   file. To check Sendmail's configuration file:

     grep "Port" sendmail.cf

   This will list out the DeamonPortOption and indicate the
   interfaces it listens on (0.0.0.0 would mean all interfaces).

   You can also check out which interfaces your MTA is listening
   on by using:

     netstat -na |grep ":25 "

5) Qrunner. If you are running Mailman 3.0x then qrunner is
   run every minute via a cron job (that is why cron *must* be
   running for Mailman to work). Try running the program by
   hand. The exact syntax can be found in Mailman's cron jobs:

     su mailman
     crontab -l

   Here is an example of running qrunner by hand:

     su mailman
     /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner

   If this generates any errors then send those to the list
   for diagnosis - or look at the last few lines of errors and
   search the list for key words from the error messages.

6) Locks. A errant lock file can stop a list from processing as
   Mailman waits for the lock to be removed. Since your list is
   not sending, we shall assume that no lock files should be on
   the list and that it is safe to delete any we find.

     ls -l ~mailman/locks

   The output will be something like:

     qrunner.lock.moya.trilug.org.22845

   This indicates that process # 22845 created the lock. To look
   at this process and see what it is (if it still exists):

     ps aux |grep 22845 |grep -v grep

7) Logs. If you don't have any of the common problems above,
   then you should look for errors in your log files.

   First look for errors in your MTA log files. On Red Hat that
   would be in /var/log/maillog.
 
   Look in the log starting at the time you sent a test message.
   You should see your initial message come in and be passed
   onto to your Mailman list, afterwards you may see warnings
   or errors caused by Mailman trying to send out mail to the
   members of the list.

   Next look in Mailman's logs. The files are in ~mailman/logs/.
   There are several logs to look in for problems:
     error
     smtp-failure
     smtp
     vette
     config
     post

   Note: if you look in the qrunner log you will see several
   warnings about "Could not acquire qrunner lock", these are
   actually normal and are NOT a problem.

   Every line in the log files is dated so you should be able to
   isolate the place in the log files to start looking, based on
   when your problem started. 

8) Qfiles. You may have a malformed email (or one that is simply
   too big) clogging up the flow of mail to your lists. Mail
   that is queued up by Mailman is stored in the directory:
     ~mailman/qfiles

   Move any files out of the directory and into a temporary 
   directory, then send a new test message to your list. If that
   works, then you can move some of the old queued up files back
   and let those process.  If it stops working again then you
   have a bad message in that batch - delete them or copy them to
   a different temporary directory.

======

Please feel free to critic and expand on this.  I'm hoping that it
proves useful as a starting point for folks having mail-flow problems.

-- Jon Carnes



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Nov  9 01:44:49 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 08 Nov 2002 19:44:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nested/umbrella lists
In-Reply-To: 
	<Pine.GSO.4.44.0211081117100.28783-100000@forest.umiacs.umd.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0211081117100.28783-100000@forest.umiacs.umd.edu>
Message-ID: <1036802690.1634.258.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

If joe at blow.com sends a note to dave-test then dave-test will send that
note onto the sublists.  The sublists will see a note from joe at blow.com

If joe at blow.com is in "Addresses of members accepted for posting" then
the note will go through without moderation (if you have it setup that
way...)

Having dave-test as an "Addresses of members accepted for posting" is
not going to help joe at blow.com send mail to the sublist. 

There isn't field in the 2.0.x series that does exactly what you want.
You want the opposite of the feature "Hold posts with header value
matching a specified regexp". You want to allow posts with header value:
List-Post: <mailto:dave-test at dom.ain>

Of course this would be fairly easy to program in, if you wanted to
modify the source. I would estimate that a Former Rocket Scientiest
could do it in about 4 hours!

On the otherhand, you could try out the feature "Hide the sender of a
message, replacing it with the list address (Removes From, Sender and
Reply-To fields)" on the dave-test list. Then see if the dave-test
sublists interpret that correctly as being From: dave-test at dom.ain

Good Luck -- Jon Carnes

======
On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 11:25, Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote:
> Is it a correct statement that if you have nested lists, the sub-lists
> MUST be open-posting to allow the umbrella list to post to it?
> 
> Say I have a list called dave-test  which includes both user addresses and
> names of one or more sublists. I thought I'd simply be able to add under
> privacy-options in sublist "Addresses of members accepted for posting to
> this list without implicit approval requirement". But that didn't seem to
> work. What is the format? Is it dave-test at host.domain? dave-test\@host\.domain?
> 
> What can the "Alias names (regexps)" be used for?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
>  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>  David Stern                                            University of Maryland
>                 Institute for Advanced Computer Studies
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Nov  9 01:50:10 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 08 Nov 2002 19:50:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading from 2.0.3 to 2.1
In-Reply-To: <4FC51706E9DC424A9E5154F9189DE5DB1B86AC@postoffice.rwu.edu>
References: <4FC51706E9DC424A9E5154F9189DE5DB1B86AC@postoffice.rwu.edu>
Message-ID: <1036803011.1630.262.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

How many lists are you converting over?  If it's just a few, then it is
easy to simply recreate the list in version 2.1 and then export/import
the users email addresses once all the 2.1 lists are up and running
properly.

In any case, I would recommend that you do start out small - move one or
two lists over to a Mailman 2.1 install.  That will let you learn more
about Mailman and also work out the kinks in moving the lists.

Good Luck -- Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 13:50, Brian C. Kacmarsky wrote:
> Hello All,
>  
> I just inherited a Redhat Linux server running Mailman 2.0.3.   I was
> asked to research why the footers of the messages were not always
> appearing when a user would post to the list.  After doing some testing
> I found out that only plain text messages were attaching these footers
> and not messages sent in HTML format.  After doing some research on the
> web.  I read the FAQ section and saw the the solution to this problem is
> to upgrade to Version 2.1.
>  
> The main reason for my email is to find out if anyone has or knows where
> I can find any step by step documentation on how to do the installation
> process.  Being new to the software package as well as this server any
> help would be appreciated.
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Brian Kacmarsky
> Systems Administrator    
> Roger Williams University
>  
>  




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Nov  9 02:11:40 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 08 Nov 2002 20:11:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with sendmail & mailman config
In-Reply-To: <005f01c2876a$5bf63360$9a0bee84@FDUJACK>
References: <005f01c2876a$5bf63360$9a0bee84@FDUJACK>
Message-ID: <1036804300.1630.277.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Are you sure your tcp stack is loaded and running properly.  I believe
that "61 Connection refused" is a problem communicating with your IP
stack (and not the MTA). Could your server be under load, or the IP
stack be flooded with requests?

If all that is fine then be sure that you have su'ed as user mailman
before doing any testing (like telnet 172.0.0.1 25).

This should check your local firewall to make sure that you allow
connections on port 25 from all interfaces including 127.0.0.1, and it
should check that your MTA is listening on the localhost interface.

Check your /etc/mail/access file and make sure that localhost and
127.0.0.1 are setup to allow relaying. Your machine probably has a name,
add that name to the access file and set it to allow relaying.

Good Luck -- Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 16:03, jsingh wrote:
> On further review , I looked into smtp logs and this the error I got 
> All recipients refused: (61, 'Connection refused')
> I can telnet to 127.0.0.1 25 just fine. 
> Please help
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-bounces+jsingh=fdu.edu at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jsingh=fdu.edu at python.org] On Behalf Of
> jsingh
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 2:54 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with sendmail & mailman config
>  
> Hello People
> This is what I did, I configured my mailman and sendmail.
> The messages are only being sent to the users in a digested format. No
> one is receiving the individual emails being sent out.
> When I check the mailq it says there is nothing pending.
> But on the other hand I can go the archives on the http interface and
> check the individual messages. Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong
> here.
> I am pulling my hair out here.
> Thanks
> Newbie




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Nov  9 02:24:34 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 08 Nov 2002 20:24:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and qmail gid problem
In-Reply-To: <3DCC3C70.3080604@arhosting.com>
References: <3DCC3C70.3080604@arhosting.com>
Message-ID: <1036805075.1634.286.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

It looks like qmail (or whatever is calling the Mailman aliases) is
using the Group ID of 65848 (or perhaps it is undefined). Your best bet
is to change qmail's Group ID to 102.  

Failing that, if 65848 really is a Group ID in /etc/group then you could
re-install Mailman and set it to use the mail gid of 65848.

Mailman has a check on the wrapper program (which is run via the MTA:
qmail). The check only allows the Mailman user, root, or the MTA to run
it.  The check looks at the Group ID of application that is trying to
start it.  In your case when wrapper looks up the Group ID of the
application that is trying to start it, the system is giving it the
number: 65848.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 17:36, Barry Smoke wrote:
> As the README.QMAIL states, there is a problem with virtual domains, and 
> lists, and the way people usually get around it is to use a 
> lists.whatever.com virtual domain, and point it directly to mailman,
> however, I have a virtual domain, using vmailmgr, which users will 
> recieve mail at, so my .qmail-default for that domain(/home/domain.com)
> reads:
> |usr/bin/vdeliver
> 
> I want that to stay, and also have a list called "list" to work on 
> domain.com,
> so the mailing list address would be list at domain.com
> 
> I put in a .qmail-list file in /home/domain.com, and I'm getting the gid 
> by qmail...
> @400000003dcc360a29b85604 delivery 4: deferral: 
> Failure_to_exec_script._WANTED_gid_102,_GOT_gid_65848.__(Reconfigure_to_take_65848?)/
> 
> now in the README.QMAIL, it states that if I want to have a user other 
> than mailman to deliver to ~mailman,
> I can set the mailman directory to setgid, so I chmod 6775 ~mailman, and 
> I'm still getting the same error...
> 
> I have to make this work,
> so any advice is appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Barry Smoke
> Owner arhosting.com
> 
> 
> 
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From barry at arhosting.com  Sat Nov  9 04:27:06 2002
From: barry at arhosting.com (Barry Smoke)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:27:06 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and qmail gid problem
In-Reply-To: <1036805075.1634.286.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <039001c2879f$e1095430$640a140a@antimatterxp>

I'm referring to the README.QMAIL file, which has the section on
setgid...

I know about mailman having to run as gid 102, which is what I hard
coded it to at install time...
I am an isp, which has a main domain of arhosting.com
I do virtual hosting, using apache, and qmail+vmailmgr, which I add
every virtual domin to the system as a user, which gives them a userid,
and gid...

I just made the virtual domains primary group the same as mailman's, and
it is working now...

It would be nice to get around having to do that though, because of
posting concerns/permissions...

I guess, I could still keep them in the group that was created when the
virtual domain was added as a user.



-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 7:25 PM
To: Barry Smoke
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman and qmail gid problem

It looks like qmail (or whatever is calling the Mailman aliases) is
using the Group ID of 65848 (or perhaps it is undefined). Your best bet
is to change qmail's Group ID to 102.  

Failing that, if 65848 really is a Group ID in /etc/group then you could
re-install Mailman and set it to use the mail gid of 65848.

Mailman has a check on the wrapper program (which is run via the MTA:
qmail). The check only allows the Mailman user, root, or the MTA to run
it.  The check looks at the Group ID of application that is trying to
start it.  In your case when wrapper looks up the Group ID of the
application that is trying to start it, the system is giving it the
number: 65848.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 17:36, Barry Smoke wrote:
> As the README.QMAIL states, there is a problem with virtual domains,
and 
> lists, and the way people usually get around it is to use a 
> lists.whatever.com virtual domain, and point it directly to mailman,
> however, I have a virtual domain, using vmailmgr, which users will 
> recieve mail at, so my .qmail-default for that
domain(/home/domain.com)
> reads:
> |usr/bin/vdeliver
> 
> I want that to stay, and also have a list called "list" to work on 
> domain.com,
> so the mailing list address would be list at domain.com
> 
> I put in a .qmail-list file in /home/domain.com, and I'm getting the
gid 
> by qmail...
> @400000003dcc360a29b85604 delivery 4: deferral: 
>
Failure_to_exec_script._WANTED_gid_102,_GOT_gid_65848.__(Reconfigure_to_
take_65848?)/
> 
> now in the README.QMAIL, it states that if I want to have a user other

> than mailman to deliver to ~mailman,
> I can set the mailman directory to setgid, so I chmod 6775 ~mailman,
and 
> I'm still getting the same error...
> 
> I have to make this work,
> so any advice is appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Barry Smoke
> Owner arhosting.com
> 
> 
> 
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http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Sat Nov  9 04:30:57 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:30:57 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders 
In-Reply-To: <18802.1036794938@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <A8C46EE4-F393-11D6-B557-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>


On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 02:35  PM, J C Lawrence wrote:
> Writing as an admin: Yes, I like and want the monthly reminders and I
> don't want them any less frequent.  Why?  I'm fairly convinced that 
> they
> save me from, "unsubscribe me!" messages.

I rank the usefulness of these things this way:

1) unsubscribe/help information in the footer of every message.

2) regular postings.

3) the List-* headers (because they're new, people don't expect them, 
and MUA's don't make them easily available yet. Long term, they're the 
answer, once everyone buys into them)

> Certainly my rate of such
> messages has collapsed since I moved to mailman, and I've a burst of
> unsubscribes every month immediately after the reminders go out.
>

I'd argue it's more likely the footer for discussion lists. I did some 
experimenting with regular postings a few years ago (way pre-mailman), 
and found that there wasn't much difference between posting bi-weekly, 
monthly, and not at all, at least in terms of helping the casual user. 
They don't keep a copy of it, so it's never there when they want it (so 
they simply blat at the list). And the more often you post it, the more 
likely people simply tune it out as noise. That's one reason why I 
started experimenting with footer language instead, and pre-mailman, 
simply stopped sending regular postings. It just seemed like they were 
mostly bit-bucketed.

Where they come in handy, I think, are digest users and lists with 
infrequent postings. the busier a list, the less the monthly posting 
probably matters. The less frequently a list is used, the more it's 
useful just as a "hi, rmember us?" thing, since people can get out of 
the habit of using a mail list. But it also is a reminder to them 
they'd meant to unsubscribe...

Personally, I think monthly is "about right". I'm not ready to do away 
with them, especially since 2.1 can hook the bounce systme into them. 
but I'm still unsure just what good they do, either.




-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/

Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties
are largely ceremonial.



From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Nov  9 05:48:31 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 20:48:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders 
In-Reply-To: Message from Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui@plaidworks.com> 
	<A8C46EE4-F393-11D6-B557-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> 
References: <A8C46EE4-F393-11D6-B557-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> 
Message-ID: <24547.1036817311@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:30:57 -0800 
Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui at plaidworks.com> wrote:
> On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 02:35 PM, J C Lawrence wrote:

> I'd argue it's more likely the footer for discussion lists. I did some
> experimenting with regular postings a few years ago (way pre-mailman),
> and found that there wasn't much difference between posting bi-weekly,
> monthly, and not at all, at least in terms of helping the casual
> user. They don't keep a copy of it, so it's never there when they want
> it (so they simply blat at the list). And the more often you post it,
> the more likely people simply tune it out as noise. That's one reason
> why I started experimenting with footer language instead, and
> pre-mailman, simply stopped sending regular postings. It just seemed
> like they were mostly bit-bucketed.

Okay, but that doesn't explain the rash of unsubscribes every month on
an otherwise active discussion list.

> Personally, I think monthly is "about right". I'm not ready to do away
> with them, especially since 2.1 can hook the bounce systme into
> them. but I'm still unsure just what good they do, either.

<nod>

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Sat Nov  9 05:55:57 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:55:57 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders 
In-Reply-To: <24547.1036817311@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <889449D6-F39F-11D6-B557-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>


On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 08:48  PM, J C Lawrence wrote:
> Okay, but that doesn't explain the rash of unsubscribes every month on
> an otherwise active discussion list.
>

have you checked to see whether some (or all) of those people had set 
themselves nomail? Did they go nomail thinking they unsubscribed? Or go 
on vacation and forget to turn it back on, and when the reminder came, 
decided they liked the quiet?

I can think of a bunch of scenarios, but I don't have any data.


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/

The first rule of holes: If you are in one, stop digging.



From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Nov  9 05:59:40 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 20:59:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders 
In-Reply-To: Message from Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui@plaidworks.com> 
	<889449D6-F39F-11D6-B557-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> 
References: <889449D6-F39F-11D6-B557-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> 
Message-ID: <24729.1036817980@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:55:57 -0800 
Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui at plaidworks.com> wrote:
> On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 08:48 PM, J C Lawrence wrote:

>> Okay, but that doesn't explain the rash of unsubscribes every month
>> on an otherwise active discussion list.

> have you checked to see whether some (or all) of those people had set
> themselves nomail? Did they go nomail thinking they unsubscribed? Or
> go on vacation and forget to turn it back on, and when the reminder
> came, decided they liked the quiet?

No, I've not checked.  The only not-quite correlated statistic I have is
that my rate (and number) or NOMAIL subscribers is low (usually below 20
per 1,000).

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From jwblist at olympus.net  Sat Nov  9 09:04:53 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 00:04:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Does Mailman set a precedence header?
In-Reply-To: 
 <Pine.OSF.4.10.10211060956490.397622-100000@library.berkeley.edu>
References: 
 <Pine.OSF.4.10.10211060956490.397622-100000@library.berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <p05200f06b9f2702cda78@[192.168.1.50]>

At 9:58 -0800 11/6/2002, Mailman added to what Garey Mills wrote:
>X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b4+
>Precedence: list

So...yes.

In another list,
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0
but no Precedence.  (That was in fact 2.0.6.)

So...no.

You can have either answer you want (and adding Precedence: header in 2.0
ought to be easy if you have access).

[Garey used Pine, which can be told that one wants to be able to see all
the headers.  In the oldish version I still sometimes use, one sets a
preference, and then something like h reveals or hides all.]

  --John
-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA


From klausman at tuts.net  Sat Nov  9 11:54:57 2002
From: klausman at tuts.net (Tobias Klausmann)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 11:54:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders
In-Reply-To: <A8C46EE4-F393-11D6-B557-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>
References: <18802.1036794938@kanga.nu>
	<A8C46EE4-F393-11D6-B557-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>
Message-ID: <20021109105457.GA957@deathstar.tuts.net>

Hi! 

On Fri, 08 Nov 2002, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> Where they come in handy, I think, are digest users and lists with 
> infrequent postings. the busier a list, the less the monthly posting 
> probably matters. The less frequently a list is used, the more it's 
> useful just as a "hi, rmember us?" thing, since people can get out of 
> the habit of using a mail list. But it also is a reminder to them 
> they'd meant to unsubscribe...

Then, an additional setting smiimilar to the digest frequency
(i.e. send reminders out every N normal posts) might be handy.

Just my $0.02

Greets,
Tobias

-- 
A program that can't tolerate empty input vastly overestimates the
real world's interest in what it's doing.
(Tim Peters in comp.lang.python)


From Topaz877 at aol.com  Sat Nov  9 18:45:35 2002
From: Topaz877 at aol.com (Topaz877 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:45:35 EST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Carriage Return in Archives
Message-ID: <44.2913b252.2afea3bf@aol.com>

The problem isn't with mail delivery, it's with the archives. It goes without 
saying that Mailman can't do anything about how users configure their mail 
clients. But Mailman does control how the *archives* are displayed.

Not being a Python programmer, I haven't looked into a solution yet for my 
own installation. But the problem has surfaced enough times on this list that 
it seems worth addressing.

-Susan Dridi

Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com wrote:
  
>  On Mon, 2002-10-28 at 17:08, ellen lenihan wrote:
>  
>> I posted this question to the list before but did not see a response so I 
> 
>> thought I'd try again.
>> Anyway - I'm new to managing a list and we've notice that for our 
>> archives there is no carriage return. So text just runs 
>> very far to the right making 
>> it very hard to read.
>> Any suggestions?
>> Thanks,
>> Ellen
>  
> Does this occur with every message in the archive, or just some of
> them?  If it's just some of them, it probably indicates that the
> original poster used a mail program that didn't send carriage returns in
> the first place.  This is a bug or misconfiguration in the original mail
> program, and not mailman's fault.  Ask your users to set the line length
> at 72 characters.
>  
> If this affects all posts, including those with proper carriage returns
> in the original message, I'm not sure what to say.
>  
> --Jeremy




From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Nov  9 20:46:40 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 11:46:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Carriage Return in Archives 
In-Reply-To: Message from Topaz877@aol.com 
   of "Sat, 09 Nov 2002 12:45:35 EST." <44.2913b252.2afea3bf@aol.com> 
References: <44.2913b252.2afea3bf@aol.com> 
Message-ID: <8762.1036871200@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:45:35 EST 
Topaz877  <Topaz877 at aol.com> wrote:

> The problem isn't with mail delivery, it's with the archives. It goes
> without saying that Mailman can't do anything about how users
> configure their mail clients. But Mailman does control how the
> *archives* are displayed.

Should the archive display messages as they were sent, or should it
attempt to "know best" and do what it thinks is right, over-riding the
specifics in the messages?  No matter which answer its easy to come up
with dozens of cases where its wrong.  Once past that there are concepts
and questions of fidelity: Is your archive an accurate representation of
list traffic?  Is the fact that it is (or is not) accurate, significant?

Then there's the question and principle of least surprise: Which is more
surprising, and archive which reformats or one which doesn't?

For me its critical that the archives are accurate, both as to
formatting and content, and that fact is significant as the archives are
(effectively) the one recorded "historical truth" as regards that list.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From Topaz877 at aol.com  Sun Nov 10 05:30:07 2002
From: Topaz877 at aol.com (Topaz877 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 23:30:07 EST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Carriage Return in Archives 
Message-ID: <8b.207c14fa.2aff3acf@aol.com>

Hi J C,

Regarding the principle of least surprise, the messages that have long lines 
in the archives arrive in my inbox perfectly formatted. So, it was a surprise 
to me that they did not line wrap in the archives. I suspect that AOL did 
this for me though I haven't researched it.

To me, content is the most important thing. What did the person say in their 
message? As such, ease of reading in the archives is important to me. This is 
partly why I use the stripmime script.

As far as fidelity, preserving the headers seems to be the most important 
thing, which Mailman does in the .mbox file.

If I had a list of IT savvy users, it would be no problem. But my users are 
savvy in other things, which are the things they wish to discuss on my lists.

Some prefer to get no e-mail, and just read the list archives. This becomes 
frustrating when you have to scroll horizontally for a long time.

I understand that I may be in the minority here. Even though I'm not a Python 
programmer, I do write other languages and can figure it out, though not as 
elegantly as the Mailman team could.

I would just like to suggest that this be an option. I have a feeling that a 
lot of list administrators who have non-technical subscribers, and who have 
migrated their lists from Yahoo, as a lot of people have done, would 
appreciate it.

-Susan

P.S. - People wouldn't have moved their lists from Yahoo if they didn't feel 
that this was a better product. I know I'm happy I was able to!


In a message dated 11/9/02 2:46:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, claw at kanga.nu 
writes:

> On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:45:35 EST 
>  Topaz877  <Topaz877 at aol.com> wrote:
>  
>  > The problem isn't with mail delivery, it's with the archives. It goes
>  > without saying that Mailman can't do anything about how users
>  > configure their mail clients. But Mailman does control how the
>  > *archives* are displayed.
>  
>  Should the archive display messages as they were sent, or should it
>  attempt to "know best" and do what it thinks is right, over-riding the
>  specifics in the messages?  No matter which answer its easy to come up
>  with dozens of cases where its wrong.  Once past that there are concepts
>  and questions of fidelity: Is your archive an accurate representation of
>  list traffic?  Is the fact that it is (or is not) accurate, significant?
>  
>  Then there's the question and principle of least surprise: Which is more
>  surprising, and archive which reformats or one which doesn't?
>  
>  For me its critical that the archives are accurate, both as to
>  formatting and content, and that fact is significant as the archives are
>  (effectively) the one recorded "historical truth" as regards that list.
>  
>  -- 
>  J C Lawrence                
>  ---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
>  claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?       
>  http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.
>  
>  


From davidgordon at ntlworld.com  Sun Nov 10 10:42:14 2002
From: davidgordon at ntlworld.com (David Gordon)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:42:14 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Instaling Mailman - almost working but...
Message-ID: <20021110094214.31811@smtp.ntlworld.com>

Hello

I'm installing Mailman 2.0.13 on a "Virtual Server". I have no real
experience of the command line or Unix so getting this far is pretty good
going!

I have got as far as creating the list "test" and received a mail from
Mailman saying my new list is set up. I cannot however access the admin
pages in that mail.

>You can configure your mailing list at the following web page:
>
>    http://mydomain1.tld/mailman/admin/test

The FAQs suggest that 404 not found errors are down to not configuring
the Apache httpd.conf file, but I do have the following lines

><VirtualHost mailman.mydomain1.tld>
>ServerName mailman.mydomain1.tld
>ServerAdmin mailman.mydomain1.tld
>DocumentRoot /home/mailman
>ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
>Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
></VirtualHost>

My first query is whether I need the DNS updated to point
mailman.mydomain1.tld to mydomain1.tld. (For example http://
www.mydomain1.tld reaches my web pages but http://mydomain1.tld takes you
to my servers default domain (myserver.myhost.tld). I need a CNAME entry
for mailman.mydomain1.tld perhaps?

Next sending a message to test-request at mydomain.tld doesn't work. The
message is cought by my 'catch-all' mailbox although I have set "test-
request at mydomain.tld mailman" in the virtusertable. (And done gen-
virtusertable)

I don't really understand the URLs Mailman gives in the "Your new mailing
list" message. I can see why it's <http://mydomain1.tld/mailman/listinfo/
test>. But thase pages don't exist on my server. Attempting to reach them
via http://myserver.myhost.tld/mailman etc doen't work either.

So as far as I can see this is either a DNS problem on my setup or I've
missed something somewhere...

Any clues or ideas welcome!

Thanks

DG





From support at obantec.net  Sun Nov 10 12:24:14 2002
From: support at obantec.net (Obantec Support)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:24:14 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Instaling Mailman - almost working but...
References: <20021110094214.31811@smtp.ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <046201c288ab$b6da2510$0a01a8c0@gamma>

See comment in your body.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Gordon" <davidgordon at ntlworld.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:42 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Instaling Mailman - almost working but...


> Hello
>
> I'm installing Mailman 2.0.13 on a "Virtual Server". I have no real
> experience of the command line or Unix so getting this far is pretty good
> going!
>
> I have got as far as creating the list "test" and received a mail from
> Mailman saying my new list is set up. I cannot however access the admin
> pages in that mail.
>
> >You can configure your mailing list at the following web page:
> >
> >    http://mydomain1.tld/mailman/admin/test
>
> The FAQs suggest that 404 not found errors are down to not configuring
> the Apache httpd.conf file, but I do have the following lines
>
> ><VirtualHost mailman.mydomain1.tld>
> >ServerName mailman.mydomain1.tld
> >ServerAdmin mailman.mydomain1.tld
> >DocumentRoot /home/mailman
> >ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
> >Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
> ></VirtualHost>

I would not have made a virtualhost for mailman.

Lets assume you have want mailman for all hosts then keep virtualhosts as
before and simple add required additions

so in your case (assuming www convention)

VirtualHost www.mydomain1.tld>
ServerName www.mydomain1.tld
ServerAlias mydomain1.tld
^^^^
just for completeness but not necessary howerver i prefer to add it. (you
could include mailman.mydomain1.tld as well)

ServerAdmin webmaster at mydomain1.tld
DocumentRoot /home/www.mydomain1.tld
^^^^^^^
Note you will have to adjust this to suit your virtual host paths not the
mailman paths as they have nothing to do with your hosts.

ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/

</VirtualHost>


> My first query is whether I need the DNS updated to point
> mailman.mydomain1.tld to mydomain1.tld. (For example http://
> www.mydomain1.tld reaches my web pages but http://mydomain1.tld takes you
> to my servers default domain (myserver.myhost.tld). I need a CNAME entry
> for mailman.mydomain1.tld perhaps?

missing ServerAlias but DNS ok as it finds your server. (you can add an A or
CNAME for mailman subdomain if you are still going to use it.

> Next sending a message to test-request at mydomain.tld doesn't work. The
> message is cought by my 'catch-all' mailbox although I have set "test-
> request at mydomain.tld mailman" in the virtusertable. (And done gen-
> virtusertable)

Work on that later get interface up first (IMHO) post a new question once
web up.

> I don't really understand the URLs Mailman gives in the "Your new mailing
> list" message. I can see why it's <http://mydomain1.tld/mailman/listinfo/
> test>. But thase pages don't exist on my server. Attempting to reach them
> via http://myserver.myhost.tld/mailman etc doen't work either.

Partly the missing ServerAlias but www.mydomain1.tld/mailman/listinfo/
should work since mailman is script alias for the cgi-bin under mailman dir
and listinfo is the script it runs.

in my opinion the URL http://mailman.mydomain1.tld/mailman/listinfo/ would
be over long and ugly.
but would work with mods i suggested.


> So as far as I can see this is either a DNS problem on my setup or I've
> missed something somewhere...

Mixed!

> Any clues or ideas welcome!
>
> Thanks
>
> DG
>

Hope that helps in part.

Mark
--
Obantec Support
www.obantec.net
WebHosting and Domains
Nominet UK Tag Holder



From kjartan at zind.net  Sun Nov 10 12:40:51 2002
From: kjartan at zind.net (Kjartan Mannes)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:40:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and qmail gid problem
In-Reply-To: <039001c2879f$e1095430$640a140a@antimatterxp>
References: <039001c2879f$e1095430$640a140a@antimatterxp>
Message-ID: <84100717674.20021110124051@zind.net>

Saturday, November 9, 2002, 4:27:06 AM, Barry Smoke wrote:
> I just made the virtual domains primary group the same as mailman's, and
> it is working now...

> It would be nice to get around having to do that though, because of
> posting concerns/permissions...

> I guess, I could still keep them in the group that was created when the
> virtual domain was added as a user.

I just keep two installations of Mailman. One for the few lists
controlled by Qmail itself and one for the virtual hosts. It isn't
ideal, but doesn't cause any security issues.

It would be nice if Mailman could be configured with a list of gids.

-- 
Kjartan <kjartan at zind.net> (http://natrak.net/)
:: "If you wish to be loved, show more of your faults than your
    virtues." - Edward Bulwer-Lytton



From kocurek at kocurek.eu.org  Sun Nov 10 14:38:06 2002
From: kocurek at kocurek.eu.org (Jacek =?iso-8859-2?Q?Wojaczy=F1skiPOL?=)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:38:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Compilation problem
Message-ID: <20021110133806.GA12091@kocurek.eu.org>

Hi!

I had Mailman 2.0. I did "rpm -e mailman"
I downloaded mailman-2.1b4

I followed instructions from INSTALL file.

While compiling I get the error message:

[...]
Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py ...
Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py ...
Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "bin/update", line 44, in ?
import paths
File "bin/paths.py", line 55, in ?
import japanese
ImportError: No module named japanese
make: *** [update] Error 1
	    
What's wrong?
-- 
kocurek


From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Nov 10 16:49:12 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 10 Nov 2002 10:49:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Carriage Return in Archives
In-Reply-To: <8b.207c14fa.2aff3acf@aol.com>
References: <8b.207c14fa.2aff3acf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1036943354.1637.12.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Dudes.  The problem is with the sender.  You have some folks using an
MUA that does not put in hard returns in the email.

Most MUA's will do an automatic line-wrap so they don't notice it.

The archives don't do a line-wrap. If you want YOUR archive to line
wrap, then run the archive mbox through the "fold" utility and
regenerate the html archives.

 
On Sat, 2002-11-09 at 23:30, Topaz877 at aol.com wrote:
> Hi J C,
> 
> Regarding the principle of least surprise, the messages that have long lines 
> in the archives arrive in my inbox perfectly formatted. So, it was a surprise 
> to me that they did not line wrap in the archives. I suspect that AOL did 
> this for me though I haven't researched it.
> 
> To me, content is the most important thing. What did the person say in their 
> message? As such, ease of reading in the archives is important to me. This is 
> partly why I use the stripmime script.
> 
> As far as fidelity, preserving the headers seems to be the most important 
> thing, which Mailman does in the .mbox file.
> 
> If I had a list of IT savvy users, it would be no problem. But my users are 
> savvy in other things, which are the things they wish to discuss on my lists.
> 
> Some prefer to get no e-mail, and just read the list archives. This becomes 
> frustrating when you have to scroll horizontally for a long time.
> 
> I understand that I may be in the minority here. Even though I'm not a Python 
> programmer, I do write other languages and can figure it out, though not as 
> elegantly as the Mailman team could.
> 
> I would just like to suggest that this be an option. I have a feeling that a 
> lot of list administrators who have non-technical subscribers, and who have 
> migrated their lists from Yahoo, as a lot of people have done, would 
> appreciate it.
> 
> -Susan
> 
> P.S. - People wouldn't have moved their lists from Yahoo if they didn't feel 
> that this was a better product. I know I'm happy I was able to!
> 
> 
> In a message dated 11/9/02 2:46:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, claw at kanga.nu 
> writes:
> 
> > On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:45:35 EST 
> >  Topaz877  <Topaz877 at aol.com> wrote:
> >  
> >  > The problem isn't with mail delivery, it's with the archives. It goes
> >  > without saying that Mailman can't do anything about how users
> >  > configure their mail clients. But Mailman does control how the
> >  > *archives* are displayed.
> >  
> >  Should the archive display messages as they were sent, or should it
> >  attempt to "know best" and do what it thinks is right, over-riding the
> >  specifics in the messages?  No matter which answer its easy to come up
> >  with dozens of cases where its wrong.  Once past that there are concepts
> >  and questions of fidelity: Is your archive an accurate representation of
> >  list traffic?  Is the fact that it is (or is not) accurate, significant?
> >  
> >  Then there's the question and principle of least surprise: Which is more
> >  surprising, and archive which reformats or one which doesn't?
> >  
> >  For me its critical that the archives are accurate, both as to
> >  formatting and content, and that fact is significant as the archives are
> >  (effectively) the one recorded "historical truth" as regards that list.
> >  
> >  -- 
> >  J C Lawrence                
> >  ---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
> >  claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?       
> >  http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.
> >  
> >  
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From john at eastcoast-pc.com  Sun Nov 10 17:33:49 2002
From: john at eastcoast-pc.com (Johnathon B. Allread)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:33:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
Message-ID: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com>

Hello all,

I just subscribed to the list and I am in need of some help.  I just
installed Mailman off of the Mandrake 9.0 disc set and went to
/var/lib/mailman/bin/ and executed newlist and added a list called test1. 
As list owner, I received an email stating that the list has been created.
 I added a couple of users.  I tried sending an email to
test1 at norvanet.com and my mail server sent a reply "unknown user".  I am
using postfix for my mail server.  Any ideas why I got this message
instead of it going to the list?

Thanks for the help.



-- 
Johnathon B. Allread
A+, MCP, MCSA, Linux User
East Coast Computers
1902 Colley Avenue
Norfolk, VA 23517-1613
http://www.eastcoast-pc.com
PH   757-313-7582
FX   757-313-7587
Cell 757-235-5629
"You don't need Windows to see the world"





From kocurek at kocurek.eu.org  Sun Nov 10 17:39:22 2002
From: kocurek at kocurek.eu.org (Jacek Wojaczynski)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:39:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com>
References: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com>
Message-ID: <20021110163922.GB13901@kocurek.eu.org>

Sunday, 10 Nov 2002 at 11:33 Johnathon B. Allread wrote:

>  I added a couple of users.  I tried sending an email to
> test1 at norvanet.com and my mail server sent a reply "unknown user".  I am
> using postfix for my mail server.  Any ideas why I got this message
> instead of it going to the list?

Have you added the appropriate aliases?

-- 
kocurek


From john at eastcoast-pc.com  Sun Nov 10 18:00:38 2002
From: john at eastcoast-pc.com (Johnathon B. Allread -  East Coast Computers)
Date: 10 Nov 2002 12:00:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <20021110163922.GB13901@kocurek.eu.org>
References: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com> 
	<20021110163922.GB13901@kocurek.eu.org>
Message-ID: <1036947639.11758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 11:39, Jacek Wojaczynski wrote:
> Sunday, 10 Nov 2002 at 11:33 Johnathon B. Allread wrote:
> 
> >  I added a couple of users.  I tried sending an email to
> > test1 at norvanet.com and my mail server sent a reply "unknown user".  I am
> > using postfix for my mail server.  Any ideas why I got this message
> > instead of it going to the list?
> 
> Have you added the appropriate aliases?
> 
> -- 
> kocurek


Are you refering to aliases in the /etc/postfix/aliases file?  If so,
where should the alias for test1 point to?

Thanks for the help.

Johnathon B. Allread



From kocurek at kocurek.eu.org  Sun Nov 10 18:16:09 2002
From: kocurek at kocurek.eu.org (Jacek Wojaczynski)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:16:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <1036947639.11758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com>
	<20021110163922.GB13901@kocurek.eu.org>
	<1036947639.11758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20021110171608.GB14384@kocurek.eu.org>

Sunday, 10 Nov 2002 at 12:00 Johnathon B. Allread -  East Coast Computers wrote:
> > > test1 at norvanet.com and my mail server sent a reply "unknown user".  I am
> > > using postfix for my mail server.  Any ideas why I got this message
> > > instead of it going to the list?
> > Have you added the appropriate aliases?
> Are you refering to aliases in the /etc/postfix/aliases file?  If so,
> where should the alias for test1 point to?

What version of Mailman do you use? 2.0 or 2.1?
I used to have some aliases for /etc/postfix/aliases - exactly 
those which Mailman told me to create. It's in the manual.

PS. Don't forget about "newaliases" command after adding aliases
to /etc/postfix/aliases.
-- 
kocurek


From bob at nleaudio.com  Sun Nov 10 18:16:13 2002
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:16:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Carriage Return in Archives
In-Reply-To: <E18Av4o-00052U-00@mail.python.org>
References: <E18Av4o-00052U-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <20021110171613.M96437@nleaudio.com>

I did a mod in my mailman to handle this problem.  Instead of simply placing
text between <pre> and </pre> (I think that's the tag that's used), I
converted the text simply to HTML by translating /n to <br>, "  " to "
&nbsp;", and the < and > characters.  Now my archives wrap according to the
browser - just like the email should wrap to the user's window.  If I get some
time, I'll try to post the mod.

Bob






From john at eastcoast-pc.com  Sun Nov 10 18:24:16 2002
From: john at eastcoast-pc.com (Johnathon B. Allread -  East Coast Computers)
Date: 10 Nov 2002 12:24:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <20021110171608.GB14384@kocurek.eu.org>
References: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com>
	<20021110163922.GB13901@kocurek.eu.org>
	<1036947639.11758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> 
	<20021110171608.GB14384@kocurek.eu.org>
Message-ID: <1036949057.11758.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 12:16, Jacek Wojaczynski wrote:
> Sunday, 10 Nov 2002 at 12:00 Johnathon B. Allread -  East Coast Computers wrote:
> > > > test1 at norvanet.com and my mail server sent a reply "unknown user".  I am
> > > > using postfix for my mail server.  Any ideas why I got this message
> > > > instead of it going to the list?
> > > Have you added the appropriate aliases?
> > Are you refering to aliases in the /etc/postfix/aliases file?  If so,
> > where should the alias for test1 point to?
> 
> What version of Mailman do you use? 2.0 or 2.1?
> I used to have some aliases for /etc/postfix/aliases - exactly 
> those which Mailman told me to create. It's in the manual.
> 
> PS. Don't forget about "newaliases" command after adding aliases
> to /etc/postfix/aliases.
> -- 

I am using version 2.013.  I know the newaliases command.  You mention
manual, however, I can't seem to find it on the web.  A manual will help
a lot.

Thanks,

Johnathon 



From kocurek at kocurek.eu.org  Sun Nov 10 18:38:54 2002
From: kocurek at kocurek.eu.org (Jacek Wojaczynski)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:38:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <1036949057.11758.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com>
	<20021110163922.GB13901@kocurek.eu.org>
	<1036947639.11758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20021110171608.GB14384@kocurek.eu.org>
	<1036949057.11758.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20021110173854.GD14384@kocurek.eu.org>

Sunday, 10 Nov 2002 at 12:24 Johnathon B. Allread -  East Coast
Computers wrote:

> > What version of Mailman do you use? 2.0 or 2.1?
> > I used to have some aliases for /etc/postfix/aliases - exactly 
> > those which Mailman told me to create. It's in the manual.
> > PS. Don't forget about "newaliases" command after adding aliases
> > to /etc/postfix/aliases.
> I am using version 2.013.  I know the newaliases command.  You mention
> manual, however, I can't seem to find it on the web.  A manual will help
> a lot.

Well... from the manual (the INSTALL file):

- Running newlist will generate a list of aliases that must be
  added to the system.  If you are running Sendmail, you may add
  the lines output directly to the file /etc/aliases.  You may
  need to run the command 'newaliases' (all as root).  Now the
  mailing address for your list as well as its administrative
  addresses will be set up.  If you are not running Sendmail,
  consult your MTA's documentation for information on adding
  aliases.
-- 
kocurek


From jeremyp at pobox.com  Sun Nov 10 18:43:24 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 10 Nov 2002 12:43:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Instaling Mailman - almost working but...
In-Reply-To: <20021110094214.31811@smtp.ntlworld.com>
References: <20021110094214.31811@smtp.ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <1036950206.1597.26.camel@silverstar>

On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 04:42, David Gordon wrote:
> 
> ><VirtualHost mailman.mydomain1.tld>
> >ServerName mailman.mydomain1.tld
> >ServerAdmin mailman.mydomain1.tld
> >DocumentRoot /home/mailman
> >ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
> >Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
> ></VirtualHost>
> 
> I don't really understand the URLs Mailman gives in the "Your new mailing
> list" message. I can see why it's <http://mydomain1.tld/mailman/listinfo/
> test>. But thase pages don't exist on my server. Attempting to reach them
> via http://myserver.myhost.tld/mailman etc doen't work either.

Above you say that you've configured Apache properly.  But then you say
that these "pages don't exist" (they're really CGI scripts remember). 
Why are you putting the ScriptAlias in a new virtual host for
mailman.mydomain1.tld instead of in the "default" host for
mydomain1.tld?  You have a direct conflict between how you've configured
mailman (for mydomain1.tld) and your configuration of Apache (for
mailman.mydomain1.tld) .

--Jeremy



From jeremyp at pobox.com  Sun Nov 10 18:48:08 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 10 Nov 2002 12:48:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <1036947639.11758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com> 
	<20021110163922.GB13901@kocurek.eu.org> 
	<1036947639.11758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1036950490.1597.31.camel@silverstar>

On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 12:00, Johnathon B. Allread - East Coast Computers
wrote:
> On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 11:39, Jacek Wojaczynski wrote:
> > Sunday, 10 Nov 2002 at 11:33 Johnathon B. Allread wrote:
> > 
> > >  I added a couple of users.  I tried sending an email to
> > > test1 at norvanet.com and my mail server sent a reply "unknown user".  I am
> > > using postfix for my mail server.  Any ideas why I got this message
> > > instead of it going to the list?
> > 
> > Have you added the appropriate aliases?
> > 
> 
> Are you refering to aliases in the /etc/postfix/aliases file?  If so,
> where should the alias for test1 point to?
> 

When you ran the "newlist" command, it should have generated a list of
aliases, formatted exactly for the aliases file.  Did "newlist" generate
this output on your system?  If so, any particular reason why you
ignored it?  I'm not trying to be snide, I'm just wondering if there's
some way this step could be improved -- there are many many queries
every week with people who ignore the alias-creation step, and I'm
wondering why.  As far as I know, there's nothing in the output of
"newlist" that says alias-creation is optional. :-)

--Jeremy



From john at eastcoast-pc.com  Sun Nov 10 19:17:23 2002
From: john at eastcoast-pc.com (Johnathon B. Allread -  East Coast Computers)
Date: 10 Nov 2002 13:17:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <1036950490.1597.31.camel@silverstar>
References: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com> 
	<20021110163922.GB13901@kocurek.eu.org> 
	<1036947639.11758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> 
	<1036950490.1597.31.camel@silverstar>
Message-ID: <1036952244.11758.43.camel@localhost.localdomain>

> 
> When you ran the "newlist" command, it should have generated a list of
> aliases, formatted exactly for the aliases file.  Did "newlist" generate
> this output on your system?

Now that you mention it:

Entry for aliases file:

## list2 mailing list
## created: 10-Nov-2002 root
list2:                   "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post list2"
list2-admin:             "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
list2"
list2-request:           "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd list2"
list2-owner:             list2-admin

> If so, any particular reason why you
> ignored it?

I didn't "ignore" it, it states "Entry for aliases file"  It should read
"Ensure you add the following information to your Aliases file for
mailman to work"

  I'm not trying to be snide, 

Well, your comment seems pretty snide...  Mailman seems to be a great
program since I figured out what I needed to do.  The documentation
seems lacking, but I can't complain since there is a mailing list
devoted to it.

I'm just wondering if there's
> some way this step could be improved -- there are many many queries
> every week with people who ignore the alias-creation step, and I'm
> wondering why.  

Well the reason would be that the "alias-creation step" doesn't tell you
to edit the aliases file (see comment above).  I mentioned how to
improve the wording.  What would be a great help is to add this
re-occurring problem to the FAQ.  I looked and didn't see it.


As far as I know, there's nothing in the output of
> "newlist" that says alias-creation is optional. :-)

Then again, nothing says to edit the file either.  It looks as if it
just states alias information.  I am sure there is a way to change the
script to edit the alias file automatically.  Nothing is impossible...

BTW, thanks for the info...  It is what I needed to get Mailman to work.

Johnathon B. Allread
East Coast Computers
1902 Colley Avenue
Norfolk, VA 23517
http://www.eastcoast-pc.com



From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Nov 10 20:44:58 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:44:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Carriage Return in Archives 
In-Reply-To: Message from Topaz877@aol.com 
   of "Sat, 09 Nov 2002 23:30:07 EST." <8b.207c14fa.2aff3acf@aol.com> 
References: <8b.207c14fa.2aff3acf@aol.com> 
Message-ID: <26247.1036957498@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 23:30:07 EST 
Topaz877  <Topaz877 at aol.com> wrote:

> Regarding the principle of least surprise, the messages that have long
> lines in the archives arrive in my inbox perfectly formatted. So, it
> was a surprise to me that they did not line wrap in the archives. I
> suspect that AOL did this for me though I haven't researched it.

Aye, its likely, and regrettable, that AOL does this.

> To me, content is the most important thing. What did the person say in
> their message? As such, ease of reading in the archives is important
> to me. This is partly why I use the stripmime script.

For me formatting is often significant, and almost as often a critical
part of content.  Sometimes in now just what was said, but how it was
said.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From davidgordon at ntlworld.com  Sun Nov 10 21:03:19 2002
From: davidgordon at ntlworld.com (David Gordon)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:03:19 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another "newlist" aliases problem?
Message-ID: <20021110200319.24841@smtp.ntlworld.com>

Set up test list "list". Web interface working. Subscription requests
generates "confirmation of subscription" mail. Replying to that mail (to
test-request at mydomain1.tld) sees that mail routed via my catch-all mail
account for that domain.

Yes, I have done the business with the aliases document. Here's what it
says...

>mailman: mailman at mydomain1.tld
>mailman-owner: mailman
>test-request: mailman
>## test mailing list
>## created: 09-Nov-2002 mailman
>test:                    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
>test-admin:              "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
>test-request:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
>test-owner:              test-admin

I also did a "newaliases". I've tried a couple of times but I can't get
it going. Is it because I have a catch-all email set up? I'm running
Sendmail. Somewhere in Sendmail I have a line

@mydomain1.tld user1

Do I have to add the alias lines there as well?

Thanks!

DG



From rhorer at swbell.net  Sun Nov 10 21:25:21 2002
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:25:21 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another "newlist" aliases problem?
In-Reply-To: <20021110200319.24841@smtp.ntlworld.com>
References: <20021110200319.24841@smtp.ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <200211101425.21501.rhorer@swbell.net>

On Sunday 10 November 2002 14:03, David Gordon wrote:
> Set up test list "list". Web interface working. Subscription requests
> generates "confirmation of subscription" mail. Replying to that mail
> (to test-request at mydomain1.tld) sees that mail routed via my
> catch-all mail account for that domain.

The answer is quite simple...

> Yes, I have done the business with the aliases document. Here's what
> it says...
>
> mailman: mailman at mydomain1.tld
> mailman-owner: mailman
> test-request: mailman
> ## test mailing list
> ## created: 09-Nov-2002 mailman
> test:                    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
> test-admin:              "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test" 
> test-request:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
> test-owner:              test-admin

As you can see, you have "test-request" defined twice.  I don't know 
about Sendmail specifically, but some other MTAs use the first 
definition of an alias that they encounter.  Take out the
"test-request: mailman"
line and that will probably solve your problem.

Kyle
-- 
Since the general civilizations of mankind, I believe there are more
instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual
and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden
usurpations.
                                                  -James Madison




From rhorer at swbell.net  Sun Nov 10 21:29:03 2002
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:29:03 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another "newlist" aliases problem?
In-Reply-To: <20021110200319.24841@smtp.ntlworld.com>
References: <20021110200319.24841@smtp.ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <200211101429.03045.rhorer@swbell.net>

Oops, I jumped the gun a little bit on my last reply.

On Sunday 10 November 2002 14:03, David Gordon wrote:
> Somewhere in Sendmail I have a line
>
> @mydomain1.tld user1

You should probably remove that.

Kyle
-- 
Since the general civilizations of mankind, I believe there are more
instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual
and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden
usurpations.
                                                  -James Madison




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Nov 11 00:43:01 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 10 Nov 2002 18:43:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <1036952244.11758.43.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com> 
	<20021110163922.GB13901@kocurek.eu.org> 
	<1036947639.11758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> 
	<1036950490.1597.31.camel@silverstar> 
	<1036952244.11758.43.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1036971781.1635.14.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 13:17, Johnathon B. Allread - East Coast Computers
wrote:

> 
> Well, your comment seems pretty snide...  Mailman seems to be a great
> program since I figured out what I needed to do.  The documentation
> seems lacking, but I can't complain since there is a mailing list
> devoted to it.

Hmmm, Jeremy's mail seemed pretty nice to me - especially since he hit
the mark on your problem.  In light of that, your statement seems much
more snide.
> 
> I'm just wondering if there's
> > some way this step could be improved -- there are many many queries
> > every week with people who ignore the alias-creation step, and I'm
> > wondering why.  
> 
> Well the reason would be that the "alias-creation step" doesn't tell you
> to edit the aliases file (see comment above).  I mentioned how to
> improve the wording.  What would be a great help is to add this
> re-occurring problem to the FAQ.  I looked and didn't see it.
> 
FAQ entry 3.14 section 2

BTW: the FAQ is open source.  Feel free to adjust it so others who
follow will have an easier time...




From john at eastcoast-pc.com  Mon Nov 11 01:44:18 2002
From: john at eastcoast-pc.com (Johnathon B. Allread -  East Coast Computers)
Date: 10 Nov 2002 19:44:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <1036971781.1635.14.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com> 
	<20021110163922.GB13901@kocurek.eu.org> 
	<1036947639.11758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> 
	<1036950490.1597.31.camel@silverstar> 
	<1036952244.11758.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> 
	<1036971781.1635.14.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1036975459.1539.25.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 18:43, Jon Carnes wrote:
 
> Hmmm, Jeremy's mail seemed pretty nice to me - especially since he hit
> the mark on your problem.  In light of that, your statement seems much
> more snide.

Which comment seemed like that?  I explain the reason why I "ignored"
the "alias creation step."  Nothing said to edit the aliases file.

> > 
> FAQ entry 3.14 section 2

Which web site is this from?  I am looking at: 

http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/faq.html  

not sure what you are referring to.  I see a couple of website
pertaining to mailman.  What is the offical website?

> 
> BTW: the FAQ is open source.  Feel free to adjust it so others who
> follow will have an easier time...

Sounds great, I will.  However, I believe the developers should edit the
new list script to tell the user to edit the aliases file so this list
won't have so many posts about the same problem.  Since most new users
to a mailing list such as myself, don't know how Mailman interacts with
the MTA.  Now that I know, I will educate the other members of my Unix
user group.  

Thanks for the insight.

Johnathon B. Allread
East Coast Computers
http://www.eastcoast-pc.com
 




From jeremyp at pobox.com  Mon Nov 11 05:32:23 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 10 Nov 2002 23:32:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <1036952244.11758.43.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com> 
	<20021110163922.GB13901@kocurek.eu.org> 
	<1036947639.11758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> 
	<1036950490.1597.31.camel@silverstar> 
	<1036952244.11758.43.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1036989144.2807.11.camel@silverstar>

On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 13:17, Johnathon B. Allread - East Coast Computers
wrote:
> jeremyp at pobox.com wrote:
>
> >As far as I know, there's nothing in the output of
> > "newlist" that says alias-creation is optional. :-)
> 
> Then again, nothing says to edit the file either.  It looks as if it
> just states alias information.  

I understand your point.  It should say something like "You must now add
these aliases to your alias file" instead of just stating that they are
aliases.  Hopefully some developer-types are listening and could
consider rewording this in a future version?

> I am sure there is a way to change the
> script to edit the alias file automatically.  Nothing is impossible...

Given the multitudes of MTAs, locations of alias files, etc, I'm not
sure that's such a good idea.  But for sysadmin's who create a lot of
lists, it might be feasible to develop a script to do such on your own
system.  (The aliases are pretty formulaic anyway.)

Sorry for my snide-ness... but glad this got things fixed for you!

--Jeremy



From jeremyp at pobox.com  Mon Nov 11 05:38:28 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 10 Nov 2002 23:38:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <1036975459.1539.25.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com> 
	<20021110163922.GB13901@kocurek.eu.org> 
	<1036947639.11758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> 
	<1036950490.1597.31.camel@silverstar> 
	<1036952244.11758.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> 
	<1036971781.1635.14.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> 
	<1036975459.1539.25.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1036989510.2808.18.camel@silverstar>

On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 19:44, Johnathon B. Allread - East Coast Computers
wrote:
> On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 18:43, Jon Carnes wrote:
>  
> > FAQ entry 3.14 section 2
> 
> Which web site is this from?  I am looking at: 
> 
> http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/faq.html  
> 
> not sure what you are referring to.  I see a couple of website
> pertaining to mailman.  What is the offical website?

Look at the very top of that web page, just below the header.  You'll
see a link marked "See also the Mailman FAQ Wizard for more
information." -- links to http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py where
you can lookup the 3.14 question Jon referred to.

I agree that mailman does seem to have multiple FAQs and multiple web
sites -- list.org, gnu.org/software/mailman, the sourceforge project,
and various things are on python.org like this mailing list and the FAQ
wizard.  I think it would be less confusing to consolidate everything,
preferably to list.org.  But this is a volunteer project and people
contribute when they can!

--Jeremy



From pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us  Thu Nov  7 18:17:35 2002
From: pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us (peter schoch)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 12:17:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RH7.3 and sendmail 8.x  problem
Message-ID: <sdca59eb.077@mail.sussex.edu>

The reply mailman sends is via email, that's why I believe that sendmail is OK.  It goes out to all of my subscribers, and that's why they are asking me what's up ? they get the confirmation, they can email in and it is posted to the archives, but nothing comes back to the list members.

Essentially, mailman is functioning like a very high maintenance BBS system at this point.

I have checked several places for logs.  While I have some attempted ftp attacks from belgium and france, and some attempted mail forwarding by 'spamers', I have no errors for mailman or sendmail.

I am almost at the point of just dumping the whole machine and doing an entire re-install of RH 7.3 to see if there is something wrong.  I had an old RH 6.2 machine, and it took me less than a day to install and get mailman working on that one.  I figured 7.3 would be an improvement ? what a mistake.

Peter Schoch


*****************************************
Peter Schoch
Physics and CIS
Sussex County Community College
1 College Hill
Newton, NJ 07860
Office:  973-300-2342
pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us
FAX:  973-579-1620

>>> michael shiloh <michael at makingthings.com> 11/06/02 02:34PM >>>
peter, your situation sounds a lot like mine. when you say
below "The mailman does send out confirmations of
subscribing" is this an email message or the web page? and
do you receive this email message at the destination?

have you checked for mail/mailman messages in
/var/log/messages?

hope this helps
michael


On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, peter schoch wrote:

> Ok, I've done some work...
> 
> 
> >If it's not the cron, then:
> >- have you setup a smrsh link to the wrapper >program (does your MTA use
> >smrsh)?
> 
> The mailman does send out confirmations of subscribing to the list.  It just doesn't send out the mail messages.
> 
> >- is your MTA listening on every port or on >limited ports?
> >netstat -na | grep ":25 "
> 
> It is listening.  It archives all messages sent to the list!  It just won't send them back out.  I have tried to alter senmail's relaying by adding the domains of the subscribers, etc. but to no avail.  (Yes I did restart sendmail.)
> 
> >Make sure that it accepts mail sent to localhost >on port 25 (that means
> >also check out your local firewall rules!).
> 
> I have minimal rules now to try and get this to work.
> 
> >Have you looked at the log files for Mailman. They >might give you some
> >information on what is going on.
> 
> I have no files in ~mailman/logs/ directory.
> 
> >BTW: what the heck is "linux 7.3"? Is that Red Hat >Linux version 7.3?
> 
> Sorry, I was (and am) a bit frazzled as to why this is not working.  It is Red Hat 7.3.
> 
> Thanks,
> Peter Schoch
> Good Luck - Jon Carnes 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org 
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users 
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py 
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ 
> 
> This message was sent to: michael at makingthings.com 
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/michael%40makingthings.com 
> 

-- 





From pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us  Thu Nov  7 18:30:16 2002
From: pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us (peter schoch)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 12:30:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] relay host
Message-ID: <sdca5ce9.083@mail.sussex.edu>

Michael,

It sounds like you are having the same trouble I am.  My first fix, for the 'Test' list was to explicitly put in RELAY lines in the access file for the domains of all my subscribers to try and eliminate the relay problem.  This worked on the test list, and since my subscribers are from a narrow number of ISP's, I did it for my "live' lists.

Either way, I'm still only getting email to go to the archives but not to the list members.  Let me know if you get it to work.

Luck,
Peter Schoch


*****************************************
Peter Schoch
Physics and CIS
Sussex County Community College
1 College Hill
Newton, NJ 07860
Office:  973-300-2342
pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us
FAX:  973-579-1620

>>> michael shiloh <michael at makingthings.com> 11/06/02 02:25PM >>>
hi all,

configuration:

  redhat 7.3 with most updates
  linux 2.4.9-21
  python 1.5.2
  sendmail 8.11.6
  mailman 2.0.13
  Apache 1.3.22

i'm having a bit of trouble getting mail sent out from my
recently-installed list server. according to my sendmail
documentation i'm allowing relay from my local host, and in
fact in 

  /etc/mail/access

i have:

  # Check the /usr/share/doc/sendmail-8.11.6/README.cf file for a description
  # of the format of this file. (search for access_db in that file)
  # The /usr/share/doc/sendmail-8.11.6/README.cf is part of the sendmail-doc
  # package.
  #
  # by default we allow relaying from localhost...
  localhost.localdomain           RELAY
  localhost                       RELAY
  127.0.0.1                       RELAY

the symptom is that i can access my list's subscription
website and subscribe. i get the next page that says:

  Confirmation from your email address is required, to
  prevent anyone from subscribing you without permission.
  Instructions are being sent to you at michael at ecsd.com. 

and then i see in my /var/log/messages:

  Nov  6 11:17:06 magritte sendmail[22687]: gA6JH6J22687:
  ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<michael at ecsd.com>,
  relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1], reject=551 5.7.1 
  we do not relay

normally from this same host i can send email anywhere
(including to michael at ecsd.com) so it is something that
mailman is adding (or perhaps leaving off?). 

normally i send email from pine, and i have in pine
specifically set my domain. it occurred to me that i've
never told mailman what domain to use. perhaps it's picking
up some default which i never bothered setting? where would
it get this info? not hostname, since that gives a valid
address:

  # hostname
  magritte.magrittesystems.com

any ideas gleefully accepted, with much appreciation.

michael





From gp-dev at planet3k.com  Thu Nov  7 20:11:17 2002
From: gp-dev at planet3k.com (Gary Pupurs)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:11:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders
Message-ID: <000501c28691$7602a560$b9070a0a@gpupurs>

Please consider switching the base code of mailman to send quarterly instead
of monthly 'reminders' to subscribers.  As an avid subscriber of lists, it's
annoying to get these messages every month, when every 3 or 6 months would
suffice.

Thanks!

-g




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Nov  8 13:03:58 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 12:03:58 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about sync_members
In-Reply-To: <229BB39D805D3B4F89784F62FDBBD7160CC0@lothlorian.rarealtors
 .com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021108104137.00a98e80@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 19:53 07/11/2002, Jim Tomasello wrote:
>Good afternoon. I'm running a new setup of mailman, the version that comes 
>with Red Hat 8.0. My problem isn't with Mailman per se, but with the 
>sync_members script that comes with it.
>

Its better to specify the actual Mailman version number but lets assume 
that it is 2.0.x

>I am trying to load members from a text file. The file has one email 
>address per line and contains 2,086 emails. When I run the script using 
>the following command while logged in as root, "./sync_members -n -w=no 
>-a=no -f members realtor-members", doing the dry run, everything seems 
>fine. When I remove the -n parameter to run it live, it gets through 2,043 
>emails and then generates the following error:
>
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "./sync_members", line 257, in ?
>     main()
>   File "./sync_members", line 240, in main
>     welcome, notifyadmin)
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1054, in ApprovedAddMember
>     raise e, v
>Mailman.Errors.MMBadEmailError
>Now I've looked at the addresses around the one it appears to be dying on, 
>and they look fine. I have no idea what this is telling me the problem is. 
>I've looked in the /var/logs/mailman dir to see if I can find any evidence 
>of what's going on, to no avail. Anyone out there have any idea where I 
>should start looking to figure this one out? Any help would be appreciated.
>

Looking at the MM 2.0.13 code.

The only circumstance that I can see where Errors.MMBadEmailError is raised 
without  sync_members printing something like this and exiting:

Invalid :  <faulty email address>'
You must fix the preceding invalid addresses first.

is if  the maillist's own email address is on the list., i.e. you are 
trying to subscribe the list to itself.. Could that be the case??

This error is generated at line 970 of $prefix/Mailman/MailList.py in 
function AddMember.



From Mark.McRitchie at salamis.co.uk  Fri Nov  8 14:10:33 2002
From: Mark.McRitchie at salamis.co.uk (Mark McRitchie)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:10:33 -0000 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the digest subject line
Message-ID: <293AE16A0620D411835300508B78832FA862F5@ABZEXHNTK>

Hi there,

I've googled and looked every where else I can think of, and it seems like
something simple.

How do I change the subject line of digest mailings?

I'm using Mailman 2.0.11 on Debian Woody.

(Feel free to slap me if I've missed something blatantly obvious)

Regards,
Mark.





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From kaja at daimi.au.dk  Fri Nov  8 14:50:42 2002
From: kaja at daimi.au.dk (Kaja P. Christiansen)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:50:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect info in headers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0211061313400.1053-100000@argo.cit.nih.gov>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0211061313400.1053-100000@argo.cit.nih.gov>
Message-ID: <15819.49458.365204.90235@sparkle.daimi.au.dk>



Eric Trager writes:

 > The problem we are having is that the monthly messages for the different
 > lists and users all end up with the same Return-Path, Sender, and
 > Errors-to headers, which contain the address of the admin for one of the
 > lists (it so happens it's the first list that was created at this site).
 > What this boils down to is once a month, bounce errors for invalid
 > addresses for lists 3, 4, and 7, the ones that send out the monthly
 > reminders, all go to the admin for list 1. 

We are having the same problem. I am managing mailman lists at two different
sites. From each site, I received error reports from a list admin about 
receiving bounce errros from another list. And as in your case, the
list that would receive the bounces was the first list created at that site.

The problems started this summer, around the time we switched to mailman 
2.0.13 (could be pure coincidence though). I couldn't figure out how to
solve it; there has been nothing suspicious in the log files. So, I am 
currently working on making transition to 2.1b4, hoping this will make 
the problem go away...

Kaja



From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Nov  8 15:11:36 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 14:11:36 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about sync_members
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021108124635.00a98d38@pop.ftel.co.uk>

Forget what I originally said. below. That AddMember function is not called 
during execution of sync_members.

Indeed, it appears that there is no check in sync_members (or indeed 
add_members) to prevent a list being subscribed to itself. This is so in MM 
2.0.13. and also in 2.1b4.

Getting back to your problem.

Utils.ValidateEmail is first called at line 194 of sync_members for each 
email address in the input file. If an incoming mail address is invalid the 
script should print something like this and exit:

Invalid: <faulty email address>
You must fix the preceding invalid addresses first.

You do not say that you are getting this output which identifies the faulty 
email address.

Utils.ValidateEmail checks each email address as follows:

1. it has a userid and domain part separated by an @ char

2. the userid is not empty

3.  the domain has at least one period character in it

If you are not getting that error message output from sync_members, the 
strange thing is that the Errors.MMBadEmailError would then seem to 
originate when the Utils.ValidateEmail  is called a second time in respect 
of the same datum.

This occurs when Utils.ValidateEmail is again called at line 1096 of 
Mailman/MailList.py as the new members are actually added to the list.

The traceback you supplied seems to indicate this is when the error is 
occurring.

If this exception is being reported during this second round of processing 
it is not immediately obvious to me why this is happening.

If your or anybody else can offer a solution I'd like to know what it is. 
Must be something obvious but I cannot spot it right now.

At 19:53 07/11/2002, Jim Tomasello wrote:
>Good afternoon. I'm running a new setup of mailman, the version that comes 
>with Red Hat 8.0. My problem isn't with Mailman per se, but with the 
>sync_members script that comes with it.
>

Its better to specify the actual Mailman version number but lets assume 
that it is 2.0.x

>I am trying to load members from a text file. The file has one email 
>address per line and contains 2,086 emails. When I run the script using 
>the following command while logged in as root, "./sync_members -n -w=no 
>-a=no -f members realtor-members", doing the dry run, everything seems 
>fine. When I remove the -n parameter to run it live, it gets through 2,043 
>emails and then generates the following error:
>
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "./sync_members", line 257, in ?
>     main()
>   File "./sync_members", line 240, in main
>     welcome, notifyadmin)
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1054, in ApprovedAddMember
>     raise e, v
>Mailman.Errors.MMBadEmailError
>Now I've looked at the addresses around the one it appears to be dying on, 
>and they look fine. I have no idea what this is telling me the problem is. 
>I've looked in the /var/logs/mailman dir to see if I can find any evidence 
>of what's going on, to no avail. Anyone out there have any idea where I 
>should start looking to figure this one out? Any help would be appreciated.
>

Looking at the MM 2.0.13 code.

The only circumstance that I can see where Errors.MMBadEmailError is raised 
without  sync_members printing something like this and exiting:

Invalid :  <faulty email address>'
You must fix the preceding invalid addresses first.

is if  the maillist's own email address is on the list., i.e. you are 
trying to subscribe the list to itself.. Could that be the case??

This error is generated at line 970 of $prefix/Mailman/MailList.py in 
function AddMember.



From dave at umiacs.umd.edu  Fri Nov  8 17:25:15 2002
From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:25:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nested/umbrella lists
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0211081117100.28783-100000@forest.umiacs.umd.edu>

Is it a correct statement that if you have nested lists, the sub-lists
MUST be open-posting to allow the umbrella list to post to it?

Say I have a list called dave-test  which includes both user addresses and
names of one or more sublists. I thought I'd simply be able to add under
privacy-options in sublist "Addresses of members accepted for posting to
this list without implicit approval requirement". But that didn't seem to
work. What is the format? Is it dave-test at host.domain? dave-test\@host\.domain?

What can the "Alias names (regexps)" be used for?

Thanks



 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 David Stern                                            University of Maryland
                Institute for Advanced Computer Studies



From bkacmarsky at rwu.edu  Fri Nov  8 17:58:35 2002
From: bkacmarsky at rwu.edu (Brian C. Kacmarsky)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:58:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading to Version 2.1
Message-ID: <4FC51706E9DC424A9E5154F9189DE5DB383B@postoffice.rwu.edu>

Hello,
 
I am interested in upgrading our Mailman Software to Version 2.1 and
have a few questions on how to do this.  Our site (Roger Williams
University) currently uses Version 2.0.3.
 
The main reason for our decision to upgrade to Version 2.1 is due to the
fact that the footers do not show up on some of the list messages.
After review your FAQ I saw the solution was to upgrade to 2.1.
 
I have read the documentation both online and in the tar file regarding
updating the version and am a bit confused.
 
Do you have a site or document you can send me that will list the
correct steps that I should take in upgrading to version 2.1.
 
 
Thanks.
 
Brian
 
 
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From mleisher at crl.nmsu.edu  Fri Nov  8 19:25:32 2002
From: mleisher at crl.nmsu.edu (Mark Leisher)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:25:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Admin password problem
Message-ID: <15820.412.897240.199333@helion.crl.nmsu.edu>


    Mark> Setup: Solaris 2.8 Python 2.2.2 Mailman 2.0.13 Mozilla 1.1 (Enable
    Mark> all cookies)

    Mark> List and site passwords always fail authentication.  Any relevant
    Mark> clues?

Answering my own question:

  Mailman.Crypt.crypt() is returning a different result every time for the
  same password when Python 2.2.2 is used.

  Python 1.5.2 works.  Haven't tried any other version.
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Computing Research Lab                    But blogging's political bias
New Mexico State University               is not so much left/right as
Box 30001, Dept. 3CRL                     anti-idiot.
Las Cruces, NM  88003                          -- Glenn Reynolds


From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Fri Nov  8 19:31:01 2002
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:31:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders
In-Reply-To: <000501c28691$7602a560$b9070a0a@gpupurs>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0211081030260.12286-100000@gort.cjb.net>

On Nov 7, 2002 at 14:11, Gary Pupurs wrote:

>Please consider switching the base code of mailman to send quarterly instead
>of monthly 'reminders' to subscribers.  As an avid subscriber of lists, it's
>annoying to get these messages every month, when every 3 or 6 months would
>suffice.

You can change the cron setting.

-- 
Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
"Mr. Worf, scan that ship."  "Aye Captain. 300 dpi?"



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Nov  8 19:44:35 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:44:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0211081030260.12286-100000@gort.cjb.net>
Message-ID: <206A912B-F34A-11D6-A0D5-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>

>> Please consider switching the base code of mailman to send quarterly 
>> instead
>> of monthly 'reminders' to subscribers.  As an avid subscriber of 
>> lists, it's
>> annoying to get these messages every month, when every 3 or 6 months 
>> would
>> suffice.
>
> You can change the cron setting.
>

I think he's saying that the default for mailman ought to be quarterly, 
and I got the impression he was speaking as a user, not an admin -- 
someone who GETS all of those messages every month.

Monthly is traditional, but I think it's worthy of some thought. With 
the List-* headers in the message, and the footer that traditionally 
points to the info pages (and with 2.1, that can be customized to the 
user), do we still need to send out reminders monthly?


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/

Stress is when you wake up screaming and you realize you haven't fallen 
asleep yet.



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Nov  8 19:44:35 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:44:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0211081030260.12286-100000@gort.cjb.net>
Message-ID: <206A912B-F34A-11D6-A0D5-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>

>> Please consider switching the base code of mailman to send quarterly 
>> instead
>> of monthly 'reminders' to subscribers.  As an avid subscriber of 
>> lists, it's
>> annoying to get these messages every month, when every 3 or 6 months 
>> would
>> suffice.
>
> You can change the cron setting.
>

I think he's saying that the default for mailman ought to be quarterly, 
and I got the impression he was speaking as a user, not an admin -- 
someone who GETS all of those messages every month.

Monthly is traditional, but I think it's worthy of some thought. With 
the List-* headers in the message, and the footer that traditionally 
points to the info pages (and with 2.1, that can be customized to the 
user), do we still need to send out reminders monthly?


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/

Stress is when you wake up screaming and you realize you haven't fallen 
asleep yet.



From bkacmarsky at rwu.edu  Fri Nov  8 19:50:51 2002
From: bkacmarsky at rwu.edu (Brian C. Kacmarsky)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:50:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading from 2.0.3 to 2.1
Message-ID: <4FC51706E9DC424A9E5154F9189DE5DB1B86AC@postoffice.rwu.edu>

Hello All,
 
I just inherited a Redhat Linux server running Mailman 2.0.3.   I was
asked to research why the footers of the messages were not always
appearing when a user would post to the list.  After doing some testing
I found out that only plain text messages were attaching these footers
and not messages sent in HTML format.  After doing some research on the
web.  I read the FAQ section and saw the the solution to this problem is
to upgrade to Version 2.1.
 
The main reason for my email is to find out if anyone has or knows where
I can find any step by step documentation on how to do the installation
process.  Being new to the software package as well as this server any
help would be appreciated.
 
Thanks.
 
Brian Kacmarsky
Systems Administrator    
Roger Williams University
 
 
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From btate2 at spsu.edu  Fri Nov  8 20:28:00 2002
From: btate2 at spsu.edu (Bryce Tate)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:28:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM and mhonarc problems...
Message-ID: <1326.168.28.177.68.1036783680.squirrel@mail.spsu.edu>

I am testing mailman for use at my university, and we want to be able to
support different MIME types in the archives.  I've installed Mhonarc and
I followed the directions of a very helpful list member from an earlier
post to the group.  When I manually run:

mhonarc -mbox $prefix/archives/private/yourmaillist.mbox/yourmaillist.mbox
-outdir /var/mhonarc/archives/yourmaillist -rcfile
/var/mhonarc/archives/yourmaillist/main.mrc

All of the messages (if I have any) move over just fine, but new messages
are archived automatically...I have this in the /var/log/mailman/error
file:

Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884): Traceback (most recent call last):
Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884):   File
"/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 213, in ArchiveMail
Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884):    
self.ExternalArchive(mm_cfg.PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, txt)
Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884):   File
"/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 174, in ExternalArchive
Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884):     syslog('error', 'external archiver
non-zero exit status: %d\n' %
Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884): TypeError: unsupported operand type(s)
for >>: 'str' and 'int'
Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 (1884) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: testlist

I even created an empty test list (as seen above) and it didn't have any
messages in it.  When I sent my first message to the list, the above is
also what the /var/log/mailman/error file reported.

Does anyone know what could be wrong?  I'm hoping that i'm not the only
one on this list who has had this problem before.  Below is my mm_cfg.py
file.  I also have appropriate aliases set in httpd.conf

And other than this Mhonarc issue (and pipermails lack of MIME support)
I've been very pleased with Mailman (and related programs), and my
recommendation will be that we use it.

Thanks for any feedback!

Bryce

#######################################################
#    Here's where we get the distributed defaults.    #

from Defaults import *
import pwd, grp

##############################################################
#    Here's where we override shipped defaults with settings #
#    suitable for the RPM package.                           #
MAILMAN_UID = pwd.getpwnam('mailman')[2]
MAILMAN_GID = grp.getgrnam('mailman')[2]
LOG_DIR     = '/var/log/mailman'
QUEUE_DIR   = '/var/spool/mailman/qfiles'

##############################################################
# Put YOUR site-specific configuration below, in mm_cfg.py . #
# See Defaults.py for explanations of the values.	     #

DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = '<MYHOSTNAME>'
DEFAULT_URL       = '<MYDEFAULTURL>'
MAILMAN_OWNER     = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME

# Note - if you're looking for something that is imported from mm_cfg, but
you
# didn't find it above, it's probably in Defaults.py.

PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mhonarchive'
PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mhonarchive'
PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/usr/bin/mhonarc -add -outdir
/var/mhonarc/archives/%(listname)s'
PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/usr/bin/mhonarc -add -outdir
/var/mhonarc/archives/%(listname)s'
#PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX,
'/var/mhonarc/archives/', 'private')




From btate2 at spsu.edu  Fri Nov  8 20:38:48 2002
From: btate2 at spsu.edu (Bryce Tate)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:38:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM and mhonarc problems...
In-Reply-To: <1326.168.28.177.68.1036783680.squirrel@mail.spsu.edu>
References: <1326.168.28.177.68.1036783680.squirrel@mail.spsu.edu>
Message-ID: <1362.168.28.177.68.1036784328.squirrel@mail.spsu.edu>

<SNIP>
> but new
> messages are archived automatically...

I'm sorry, I did a poor job proof reading, this should read that the
messages are NOT being archived automatically!

Thanks,

Bryce





From jsingh at fdu.edu  Fri Nov  8 20:54:09 2002
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:54:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with sendmail & mailman config
Message-ID: <005401c28760$9a2c2630$9a0bee84@FDUJACK>

Hello People
This is what I did, I configured my mailman and sendmail.
The messages are only being sent to the users in a digested format. No
one is receiving the individual emails being sent out.
When I check the mailq it says there is nothing pending.
But on the other hand I can go the archives on the http interface and
check the individual messages. Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong
here.
I am pulling my hair out here.
Thanks
Newbie
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From tcs at chacity.org  Fri Nov  8 21:26:59 2002
From: tcs at chacity.org (Clay Stuckey)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:26:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation problem
Message-ID: <000e01c28765$3105b720$9865fea9@chacity.org>

I have RedHat 7.3 with all current updates. When I follow the instructions
to set up mail man and restart apache, I get the following error:
Starting httpd: Syntax error on line 5 of
/etc/httpd/conf/httpd-mailman.conf:
Invalid command 'ScriptAlias', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module
not included in the server configuration

I have the line "Include conf/httpd-mailman.conp" in my httpd.conf. I stuck
it at the top of the script. Any ideas?




Sincerely,
Clay Stuckey - RHCE, CCNA, MCSE
Charleston Housing Authority - MIS Manager



From jsingh at fdu.edu  Fri Nov  8 22:03:59 2002
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:03:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with sendmail & mailman config
In-Reply-To: <005401c28760$9a2c2630$9a0bee84@FDUJACK>
Message-ID: <005f01c2876a$5bf63360$9a0bee84@FDUJACK>

On further review , I looked into smtp logs and this the error I got 
All recipients refused: (61, 'Connection refused')
I can telnet to 127.0.0.1 25 just fine. 
Please help
 
-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+jsingh=fdu.edu at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jsingh=fdu.edu at python.org] On Behalf Of
jsingh
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 2:54 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with sendmail & mailman config
 
Hello People
This is what I did, I configured my mailman and sendmail.
The messages are only being sent to the users in a digested format. No
one is receiving the individual emails being sent out.
When I check the mailq it says there is nothing pending.
But on the other hand I can go the archives on the http interface and
check the individual messages. Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong
here.
I am pulling my hair out here.
Thanks
Newbie
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From richard at imagecraft.com  Fri Nov  8 22:31:50 2002
From: richard at imagecraft.com (Richard F. Man)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 13:31:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail failing causing Mailman to go haywire
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021108132438.035a42a0@192.168.100.11>

OK, I found out that my problem is not a mail loop, but that when sending 
out digests, somehow sendmail fails, and cause Mailman to try to resend the 
digest forever. Mailman is 2.0.9, does anyone know how to get the version 
of sendmail?

Here's the excerpt from Mailman's error log:
Nov 08 13:20:05 2002 (21869) Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline
     func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py", line 86, in process
     fp.write(msgtext)
IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe

I did a
         mail -s "test" $(/home/mailman/bin/list_members -d <list>)
to send out a test msg to the digest members and that seem to be fine.

One potential problem is that for NORMAL posting, one of the list members' 
company recently mucked up their mail delivery and one would get this back 
when posting to the list:
***************************
From: TZO Mailer [mailto:mailer at tzo.com]
Sent: 8. november 2002 15:44
To: <XXXX>
Subject: Delivery failure to "'icc-avr at imagecraft.com'"
<icc-avr at imagecraft.com>


Delivery was attempted, but failed because:
554 <icc-avr at imagecraft.com>: Recipient address rejected: Relay access
denied

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Original Message:
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

TZForward: <XXXX>
Received: from 205.219.84.13 by saf.tzo.com
         id 2002110806440965687 for <XXXX>
         Fri, 08 Nov 2002 11:44:09 GMT
Received: from dragonsgate.imagecraft.com (209-128-106-110.BAYAREA.NET
[209.128.106.110])
         by postman.bayarea.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA52937;
         Fri, 8 Nov 2002 03:39:55 -0800 (PST)
         (envelope-from icc-avr-admin at imagecraft.com)
Received: (from mailman at localhost)
         by dragonsgate.imagecraft.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id
gA8Ce3f15336;
         Fri, 8 Nov 2002 04:40:03 -0800
******

I contacted them and they say they will look into the problem. However, can 
a normal user's email problem caused problems for digest mailing?

Thanks for any advice you may have

// richard <http://www.imagecraft.com> 
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From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Nov  8 23:35:38 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 14:35:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders 
In-Reply-To: Message from Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui@plaidworks.com> 
	<206A912B-F34A-11D6-A0D5-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> 
References: <206A912B-F34A-11D6-A0D5-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> 
Message-ID: <18802.1036794938@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:44:35 -0800 
Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui at plaidworks.com> wrote:

> Monthly is traditional, but I think it's worthy of some thought. With
> the List-* headers in the message, and the footer that traditionally
> points to the info pages (and with 2.1, that can be customized to the
> user), do we still need to send out reminders monthly?

Writing as an admin: Yes, I like and want the monthly reminders and I
don't want them any less frequent.  Why?  I'm fairly convinced that they
save me from, "unsubscribe me!" messages.  Certainly my rate of such
messages has collapsed since I moved to mailman, and I've a burst of
unsubscribes every month immediately after the reminders go out.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From clawson at jungle.ca  Fri Nov  8 23:38:22 2002
From: clawson at jungle.ca (Chris Lawson)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:38:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where do they keep the site wide templates?
Message-ID: <01d901c28777$984175c0$5103010a@cupedom.local>

...as in the ones used to create the page you see when you visit
/mailman/listinfo/ ?

I'm sorry if this is in the FAQ, but I honestly couldn't find it anywhere.
Nor could I find the site-wide list info template.

cmkl
--
Chris Lawson, Jungle Internet
http://www.jungle.ca



From barry at arhosting.com  Fri Nov  8 23:36:32 2002
From: barry at arhosting.com (Barry Smoke)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 16:36:32 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and qmail gid problem
Message-ID: <3DCC3C70.3080604@arhosting.com>

As the README.QMAIL states, there is a problem with virtual domains, and 
lists, and the way people usually get around it is to use a 
lists.whatever.com virtual domain, and point it directly to mailman,
however, I have a virtual domain, using vmailmgr, which users will 
recieve mail at, so my .qmail-default for that domain(/home/domain.com)
reads:
|usr/bin/vdeliver

I want that to stay, and also have a list called "list" to work on 
domain.com,
so the mailing list address would be list at domain.com

I put in a .qmail-list file in /home/domain.com, and I'm getting the gid 
by qmail...
@400000003dcc360a29b85604 delivery 4: deferral: 
Failure_to_exec_script._WANTED_gid_102,_GOT_gid_65848.__(Reconfigure_to_take_65848?)/

now in the README.QMAIL, it states that if I want to have a user other 
than mailman to deliver to ~mailman,
I can set the mailman directory to setgid, so I chmod 6775 ~mailman, and 
I'm still getting the same error...

I have to make this work,
so any advice is appreciated.

Thanks,
Barry Smoke
Owner arhosting.com




From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Fri Nov  8 23:50:22 2002
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:50:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders
In-Reply-To: <206A912B-F34A-11D6-A0D5-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0211081447140.14045-100000@gort.cjb.net>

On Nov 8, 2002 at 10:44, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:

[original poster said]
>>> Please consider switching the base code of mailman to send quarterly 
>>> instead
>>> of monthly 'reminders' to subscribers.  As an avid subscriber of 
>>> lists, it's
>>> annoying to get these messages every month, when every 3 or 6 months 
>>> would
>>> suffice.

[Satya said]
>> You can change the cron setting.
[back to Chuq]
>I think he's saying that the default for mailman ought to be quarterly, 
>and I got the impression he was speaking as a user, not an admin -- 
>someone who GETS all of those messages every month.

I read it the other way. Of course, if you change the default, you'll
get people wanting to change it back. You can't win. OP should contact
the local admin.

>Monthly is traditional, but I think it's worthy of some thought. With 
>the List-* headers in the message, and the footer that traditionally 
>points to the info pages (and with 2.1, that can be customized to the 
>user), do we still need to send out reminders monthly?

I don't send them out at all, but that's just me. I don't have much
traffic, either.

-- 
Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
I need a job!
Perl, Apache, Linux, C. http://www-scf.usc.edu/~phanse/resume.pdf



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Nov  9 00:22:19 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 08 Nov 2002 18:22:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
 Troubleshooting: no mail goes out to lists - common things to check
In-Reply-To: <sdca59eb.077@mail.sussex.edu>
References: <sdca59eb.077@mail.sussex.edu>
Message-ID: <1036797741.1630.230.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Here are some common things to check when no mail is going out from your
lists.

======
I'm going to assume Sendmail as the MTA (its still the most commonly
found - though postfix is gaining ground):

0) Check_perms. In all cases you should start by checking the
   permissions on the files that were setup:

     ~mailman/bin/check_perms

1) Cron. Make sure that the cron daemon is running

     ps -aux |grep cron |grep -v grep

   This will print out the process information about the cron
   daemon. If it returns a blank line, then cron is NOT running.

2) Aliases. To create a mailman list you ran "newlist" and it
   printed out four lines that you needed to copy to the 
   /etc/aliases file (or wherever your MTA goes to find its
   aliases). Check that the aliases are in /etc/aliases:

     grep wrapper /etc/aliases

   Even if the aliases are there, you may still need to reset
   the aliases hash table so that it includes this new alias
   information:

     newaliases 

    Here is a typical alias listing for a group called "sys":

     ## system mailing list
     sys:           "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post sys"
     sys-admin:     "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner sys"
     sys-request:   "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd sys"
     sys-owner:      sys-admin

3) Smrsh. Check to see if your MTA uses smrsh.  Red Hat as well
   as a few other distributions automatically setup Sendmail to
   use smrsh.  Smrsh stops Sendmail from running a script or
   other program that is included in an alias. Mailman uses a
   program called "wrapper" to run all of its aliases (see the
   alias examples above):

     grep "smrsh" sendmal.cf

   If this comes up blank then Sendmail does not use smrsh; 
   if not, then your server is probably running smrsh and you
   need to make sure that smrsh is setup to allow Mailman's
   wrapper program to run. Locate the smrsh directory and do
   an ls -l of that directory.  On Red Hat:

     ls -l /etc/smrsh

   and the output should be similar to:

     wrapper -> /home/mailman/mail/wrapper

4) Interface. Some distributions in a noble "attempt" to limit
   the number of open relays on the internet, default Sendmail
   so that it listens to a limited number of interfaces. The
   default interface that Mailman list's use is localhost 
   (127.0.0.1) - this is configurable in Mailman's mm_cfg.py 
   file. To check Sendmail's configuration file:

     grep "Port" sendmail.cf

   This will list out the DeamonPortOption and indicate the
   interfaces it listens on (0.0.0.0 would mean all interfaces).

   You can also check out which interfaces your MTA is listening
   on by using:

     netstat -na |grep ":25 "

5) Qrunner. If you are running Mailman 3.0x then qrunner is
   run every minute via a cron job (that is why cron *must* be
   running for Mailman to work). Try running the program by
   hand. The exact syntax can be found in Mailman's cron jobs:

     su mailman
     crontab -l

   Here is an example of running qrunner by hand:

     su mailman
     /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner

   If this generates any errors then send those to the list
   for diagnosis - or look at the last few lines of errors and
   search the list for key words from the error messages.

6) Locks. A errant lock file can stop a list from processing as
   Mailman waits for the lock to be removed. Since your list is
   not sending, we shall assume that no lock files should be on
   the list and that it is safe to delete any we find.

     ls -l ~mailman/locks

   The output will be something like:

     qrunner.lock.moya.trilug.org.22845

   This indicates that process # 22845 created the lock. To look
   at this process and see what it is (if it still exists):

     ps aux |grep 22845 |grep -v grep

7) Logs. If you don't have any of the common problems above,
   then you should look for errors in your log files.

   First look for errors in your MTA log files. On Red Hat that
   would be in /var/log/maillog.
 
   Look in the log starting at the time you sent a test message.
   You should see your initial message come in and be passed
   onto to your Mailman list, afterwards you may see warnings
   or errors caused by Mailman trying to send out mail to the
   members of the list.

   Next look in Mailman's logs. The files are in ~mailman/logs/.
   There are several logs to look in for problems:
     error
     smtp-failure
     smtp
     vette
     config
     post

   Note: if you look in the qrunner log you will see several
   warnings about "Could not acquire qrunner lock", these are
   actually normal and are NOT a problem.

   Every line in the log files is dated so you should be able to
   isolate the place in the log files to start looking, based on
   when your problem started. 

8) Qfiles. You may have a malformed email (or one that is simply
   too big) clogging up the flow of mail to your lists. Mail
   that is queued up by Mailman is stored in the directory:
     ~mailman/qfiles

   Move any files out of the directory and into a temporary 
   directory, then send a new test message to your list. If that
   works, then you can move some of the old queued up files back
   and let those process.  If it stops working again then you
   have a bad message in that batch - delete them or copy them to
   a different temporary directory.

======

Please feel free to critic and expand on this.  I'm hoping that it
proves useful as a starting point for folks having mail-flow problems.

-- Jon Carnes



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Nov  9 01:44:49 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 08 Nov 2002 19:44:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nested/umbrella lists
In-Reply-To: 
	<Pine.GSO.4.44.0211081117100.28783-100000@forest.umiacs.umd.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0211081117100.28783-100000@forest.umiacs.umd.edu>
Message-ID: <1036802690.1634.258.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

If joe at blow.com sends a note to dave-test then dave-test will send that
note onto the sublists.  The sublists will see a note from joe at blow.com

If joe at blow.com is in "Addresses of members accepted for posting" then
the note will go through without moderation (if you have it setup that
way...)

Having dave-test as an "Addresses of members accepted for posting" is
not going to help joe at blow.com send mail to the sublist. 

There isn't field in the 2.0.x series that does exactly what you want.
You want the opposite of the feature "Hold posts with header value
matching a specified regexp". You want to allow posts with header value:
List-Post: <mailto:dave-test at dom.ain>

Of course this would be fairly easy to program in, if you wanted to
modify the source. I would estimate that a Former Rocket Scientiest
could do it in about 4 hours!

On the otherhand, you could try out the feature "Hide the sender of a
message, replacing it with the list address (Removes From, Sender and
Reply-To fields)" on the dave-test list. Then see if the dave-test
sublists interpret that correctly as being From: dave-test at dom.ain

Good Luck -- Jon Carnes

======
On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 11:25, Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote:
> Is it a correct statement that if you have nested lists, the sub-lists
> MUST be open-posting to allow the umbrella list to post to it?
> 
> Say I have a list called dave-test  which includes both user addresses and
> names of one or more sublists. I thought I'd simply be able to add under
> privacy-options in sublist "Addresses of members accepted for posting to
> this list without implicit approval requirement". But that didn't seem to
> work. What is the format? Is it dave-test at host.domain? dave-test\@host\.domain?
> 
> What can the "Alias names (regexps)" be used for?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
>  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>  David Stern                                            University of Maryland
>                 Institute for Advanced Computer Studies
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Nov  9 01:50:10 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 08 Nov 2002 19:50:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading from 2.0.3 to 2.1
In-Reply-To: <4FC51706E9DC424A9E5154F9189DE5DB1B86AC@postoffice.rwu.edu>
References: <4FC51706E9DC424A9E5154F9189DE5DB1B86AC@postoffice.rwu.edu>
Message-ID: <1036803011.1630.262.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

How many lists are you converting over?  If it's just a few, then it is
easy to simply recreate the list in version 2.1 and then export/import
the users email addresses once all the 2.1 lists are up and running
properly.

In any case, I would recommend that you do start out small - move one or
two lists over to a Mailman 2.1 install.  That will let you learn more
about Mailman and also work out the kinks in moving the lists.

Good Luck -- Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 13:50, Brian C. Kacmarsky wrote:
> Hello All,
>  
> I just inherited a Redhat Linux server running Mailman 2.0.3.   I was
> asked to research why the footers of the messages were not always
> appearing when a user would post to the list.  After doing some testing
> I found out that only plain text messages were attaching these footers
> and not messages sent in HTML format.  After doing some research on the
> web.  I read the FAQ section and saw the the solution to this problem is
> to upgrade to Version 2.1.
>  
> The main reason for my email is to find out if anyone has or knows where
> I can find any step by step documentation on how to do the installation
> process.  Being new to the software package as well as this server any
> help would be appreciated.
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Brian Kacmarsky
> Systems Administrator    
> Roger Williams University
>  
>  




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Nov  9 02:11:40 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 08 Nov 2002 20:11:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with sendmail & mailman config
In-Reply-To: <005f01c2876a$5bf63360$9a0bee84@FDUJACK>
References: <005f01c2876a$5bf63360$9a0bee84@FDUJACK>
Message-ID: <1036804300.1630.277.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Are you sure your tcp stack is loaded and running properly.  I believe
that "61 Connection refused" is a problem communicating with your IP
stack (and not the MTA). Could your server be under load, or the IP
stack be flooded with requests?

If all that is fine then be sure that you have su'ed as user mailman
before doing any testing (like telnet 172.0.0.1 25).

This should check your local firewall to make sure that you allow
connections on port 25 from all interfaces including 127.0.0.1, and it
should check that your MTA is listening on the localhost interface.

Check your /etc/mail/access file and make sure that localhost and
127.0.0.1 are setup to allow relaying. Your machine probably has a name,
add that name to the access file and set it to allow relaying.

Good Luck -- Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 16:03, jsingh wrote:
> On further review , I looked into smtp logs and this the error I got 
> All recipients refused: (61, 'Connection refused')
> I can telnet to 127.0.0.1 25 just fine. 
> Please help
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-bounces+jsingh=fdu.edu at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jsingh=fdu.edu at python.org] On Behalf Of
> jsingh
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 2:54 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with sendmail & mailman config
>  
> Hello People
> This is what I did, I configured my mailman and sendmail.
> The messages are only being sent to the users in a digested format. No
> one is receiving the individual emails being sent out.
> When I check the mailq it says there is nothing pending.
> But on the other hand I can go the archives on the http interface and
> check the individual messages. Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong
> here.
> I am pulling my hair out here.
> Thanks
> Newbie




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Nov  9 02:24:34 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 08 Nov 2002 20:24:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and qmail gid problem
In-Reply-To: <3DCC3C70.3080604@arhosting.com>
References: <3DCC3C70.3080604@arhosting.com>
Message-ID: <1036805075.1634.286.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

It looks like qmail (or whatever is calling the Mailman aliases) is
using the Group ID of 65848 (or perhaps it is undefined). Your best bet
is to change qmail's Group ID to 102.  

Failing that, if 65848 really is a Group ID in /etc/group then you could
re-install Mailman and set it to use the mail gid of 65848.

Mailman has a check on the wrapper program (which is run via the MTA:
qmail). The check only allows the Mailman user, root, or the MTA to run
it.  The check looks at the Group ID of application that is trying to
start it.  In your case when wrapper looks up the Group ID of the
application that is trying to start it, the system is giving it the
number: 65848.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 17:36, Barry Smoke wrote:
> As the README.QMAIL states, there is a problem with virtual domains, and 
> lists, and the way people usually get around it is to use a 
> lists.whatever.com virtual domain, and point it directly to mailman,
> however, I have a virtual domain, using vmailmgr, which users will 
> recieve mail at, so my .qmail-default for that domain(/home/domain.com)
> reads:
> |usr/bin/vdeliver
> 
> I want that to stay, and also have a list called "list" to work on 
> domain.com,
> so the mailing list address would be list at domain.com
> 
> I put in a .qmail-list file in /home/domain.com, and I'm getting the gid 
> by qmail...
> @400000003dcc360a29b85604 delivery 4: deferral: 
> Failure_to_exec_script._WANTED_gid_102,_GOT_gid_65848.__(Reconfigure_to_take_65848?)/
> 
> now in the README.QMAIL, it states that if I want to have a user other 
> than mailman to deliver to ~mailman,
> I can set the mailman directory to setgid, so I chmod 6775 ~mailman, and 
> I'm still getting the same error...
> 
> I have to make this work,
> so any advice is appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Barry Smoke
> Owner arhosting.com
> 
> 
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From pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us  Thu Nov  7 18:17:35 2002
From: pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us (peter schoch)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 12:17:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RH7.3 and sendmail 8.x  problem
Message-ID: <sdca59eb.077@mail.sussex.edu>

The reply mailman sends is via email, that's why I believe that sendmail is OK.  It goes out to all of my subscribers, and that's why they are asking me what's up ? they get the confirmation, they can email in and it is posted to the archives, but nothing comes back to the list members.

Essentially, mailman is functioning like a very high maintenance BBS system at this point.

I have checked several places for logs.  While I have some attempted ftp attacks from belgium and france, and some attempted mail forwarding by 'spamers', I have no errors for mailman or sendmail.

I am almost at the point of just dumping the whole machine and doing an entire re-install of RH 7.3 to see if there is something wrong.  I had an old RH 6.2 machine, and it took me less than a day to install and get mailman working on that one.  I figured 7.3 would be an improvement ? what a mistake.

Peter Schoch


*****************************************
Peter Schoch
Physics and CIS
Sussex County Community College
1 College Hill
Newton, NJ 07860
Office:  973-300-2342
pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us
FAX:  973-579-1620

>>> michael shiloh <michael at makingthings.com> 11/06/02 02:34PM >>>
peter, your situation sounds a lot like mine. when you say
below "The mailman does send out confirmations of
subscribing" is this an email message or the web page? and
do you receive this email message at the destination?

have you checked for mail/mailman messages in
/var/log/messages?

hope this helps
michael


On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, peter schoch wrote:

> Ok, I've done some work...
> 
> 
> >If it's not the cron, then:
> >- have you setup a smrsh link to the wrapper >program (does your MTA use
> >smrsh)?
> 
> The mailman does send out confirmations of subscribing to the list.  It just doesn't send out the mail messages.
> 
> >- is your MTA listening on every port or on >limited ports?
> >netstat -na | grep ":25 "
> 
> It is listening.  It archives all messages sent to the list!  It just won't send them back out.  I have tried to alter senmail's relaying by adding the domains of the subscribers, etc. but to no avail.  (Yes I did restart sendmail.)
> 
> >Make sure that it accepts mail sent to localhost >on port 25 (that means
> >also check out your local firewall rules!).
> 
> I have minimal rules now to try and get this to work.
> 
> >Have you looked at the log files for Mailman. They >might give you some
> >information on what is going on.
> 
> I have no files in ~mailman/logs/ directory.
> 
> >BTW: what the heck is "linux 7.3"? Is that Red Hat >Linux version 7.3?
> 
> Sorry, I was (and am) a bit frazzled as to why this is not working.  It is Red Hat 7.3.
> 
> Thanks,
> Peter Schoch
> Good Luck - Jon Carnes 
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From pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us  Thu Nov  7 18:30:16 2002
From: pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us (peter schoch)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 12:30:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] relay host
Message-ID: <sdca5ce9.083@mail.sussex.edu>

Michael,

It sounds like you are having the same trouble I am.  My first fix, for the 'Test' list was to explicitly put in RELAY lines in the access file for the domains of all my subscribers to try and eliminate the relay problem.  This worked on the test list, and since my subscribers are from a narrow number of ISP's, I did it for my "live' lists.

Either way, I'm still only getting email to go to the archives but not to the list members.  Let me know if you get it to work.

Luck,
Peter Schoch


*****************************************
Peter Schoch
Physics and CIS
Sussex County Community College
1 College Hill
Newton, NJ 07860
Office:  973-300-2342
pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us
FAX:  973-579-1620

>>> michael shiloh <michael at makingthings.com> 11/06/02 02:25PM >>>
hi all,

configuration:

  redhat 7.3 with most updates
  linux 2.4.9-21
  python 1.5.2
  sendmail 8.11.6
  mailman 2.0.13
  Apache 1.3.22

i'm having a bit of trouble getting mail sent out from my
recently-installed list server. according to my sendmail
documentation i'm allowing relay from my local host, and in
fact in 

  /etc/mail/access

i have:

  # Check the /usr/share/doc/sendmail-8.11.6/README.cf file for a description
  # of the format of this file. (search for access_db in that file)
  # The /usr/share/doc/sendmail-8.11.6/README.cf is part of the sendmail-doc
  # package.
  #
  # by default we allow relaying from localhost...
  localhost.localdomain           RELAY
  localhost                       RELAY
  127.0.0.1                       RELAY

the symptom is that i can access my list's subscription
website and subscribe. i get the next page that says:

  Confirmation from your email address is required, to
  prevent anyone from subscribing you without permission.
  Instructions are being sent to you at michael at ecsd.com. 

and then i see in my /var/log/messages:

  Nov  6 11:17:06 magritte sendmail[22687]: gA6JH6J22687:
  ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<michael at ecsd.com>,
  relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1], reject=551 5.7.1 
  we do not relay

normally from this same host i can send email anywhere
(including to michael at ecsd.com) so it is something that
mailman is adding (or perhaps leaving off?). 

normally i send email from pine, and i have in pine
specifically set my domain. it occurred to me that i've
never told mailman what domain to use. perhaps it's picking
up some default which i never bothered setting? where would
it get this info? not hostname, since that gives a valid
address:

  # hostname
  magritte.magrittesystems.com

any ideas gleefully accepted, with much appreciation.

michael





From gp-dev at planet3k.com  Thu Nov  7 20:11:17 2002
From: gp-dev at planet3k.com (Gary Pupurs)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:11:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders
Message-ID: <000501c28691$7602a560$b9070a0a@gpupurs>

Please consider switching the base code of mailman to send quarterly instead
of monthly 'reminders' to subscribers.  As an avid subscriber of lists, it's
annoying to get these messages every month, when every 3 or 6 months would
suffice.

Thanks!

-g




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Nov  8 13:03:58 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 12:03:58 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about sync_members
In-Reply-To: <229BB39D805D3B4F89784F62FDBBD7160CC0@lothlorian.rarealtors
 .com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021108104137.00a98e80@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 19:53 07/11/2002, Jim Tomasello wrote:
>Good afternoon. I'm running a new setup of mailman, the version that comes 
>with Red Hat 8.0. My problem isn't with Mailman per se, but with the 
>sync_members script that comes with it.
>

Its better to specify the actual Mailman version number but lets assume 
that it is 2.0.x

>I am trying to load members from a text file. The file has one email 
>address per line and contains 2,086 emails. When I run the script using 
>the following command while logged in as root, "./sync_members -n -w=no 
>-a=no -f members realtor-members", doing the dry run, everything seems 
>fine. When I remove the -n parameter to run it live, it gets through 2,043 
>emails and then generates the following error:
>
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "./sync_members", line 257, in ?
>     main()
>   File "./sync_members", line 240, in main
>     welcome, notifyadmin)
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1054, in ApprovedAddMember
>     raise e, v
>Mailman.Errors.MMBadEmailError
>Now I've looked at the addresses around the one it appears to be dying on, 
>and they look fine. I have no idea what this is telling me the problem is. 
>I've looked in the /var/logs/mailman dir to see if I can find any evidence 
>of what's going on, to no avail. Anyone out there have any idea where I 
>should start looking to figure this one out? Any help would be appreciated.
>

Looking at the MM 2.0.13 code.

The only circumstance that I can see where Errors.MMBadEmailError is raised 
without  sync_members printing something like this and exiting:

Invalid :  <faulty email address>'
You must fix the preceding invalid addresses first.

is if  the maillist's own email address is on the list., i.e. you are 
trying to subscribe the list to itself.. Could that be the case??

This error is generated at line 970 of $prefix/Mailman/MailList.py in 
function AddMember.



From Mark.McRitchie at salamis.co.uk  Fri Nov  8 14:10:33 2002
From: Mark.McRitchie at salamis.co.uk (Mark McRitchie)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:10:33 -0000 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the digest subject line
Message-ID: <293AE16A0620D411835300508B78832FA862F5@ABZEXHNTK>

Hi there,

I've googled and looked every where else I can think of, and it seems like
something simple.

How do I change the subject line of digest mailings?

I'm using Mailman 2.0.11 on Debian Woody.

(Feel free to slap me if I've missed something blatantly obvious)

Regards,
Mark.





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From kaja at daimi.au.dk  Fri Nov  8 14:50:42 2002
From: kaja at daimi.au.dk (Kaja P. Christiansen)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:50:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect info in headers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0211061313400.1053-100000@argo.cit.nih.gov>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0211061313400.1053-100000@argo.cit.nih.gov>
Message-ID: <15819.49458.365204.90235@sparkle.daimi.au.dk>



Eric Trager writes:

 > The problem we are having is that the monthly messages for the different
 > lists and users all end up with the same Return-Path, Sender, and
 > Errors-to headers, which contain the address of the admin for one of the
 > lists (it so happens it's the first list that was created at this site).
 > What this boils down to is once a month, bounce errors for invalid
 > addresses for lists 3, 4, and 7, the ones that send out the monthly
 > reminders, all go to the admin for list 1. 

We are having the same problem. I am managing mailman lists at two different
sites. From each site, I received error reports from a list admin about 
receiving bounce errros from another list. And as in your case, the
list that would receive the bounces was the first list created at that site.

The problems started this summer, around the time we switched to mailman 
2.0.13 (could be pure coincidence though). I couldn't figure out how to
solve it; there has been nothing suspicious in the log files. So, I am 
currently working on making transition to 2.1b4, hoping this will make 
the problem go away...

Kaja



From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Nov  8 15:11:36 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 14:11:36 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about sync_members
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021108124635.00a98d38@pop.ftel.co.uk>

Forget what I originally said. below. That AddMember function is not called 
during execution of sync_members.

Indeed, it appears that there is no check in sync_members (or indeed 
add_members) to prevent a list being subscribed to itself. This is so in MM 
2.0.13. and also in 2.1b4.

Getting back to your problem.

Utils.ValidateEmail is first called at line 194 of sync_members for each 
email address in the input file. If an incoming mail address is invalid the 
script should print something like this and exit:

Invalid: <faulty email address>
You must fix the preceding invalid addresses first.

You do not say that you are getting this output which identifies the faulty 
email address.

Utils.ValidateEmail checks each email address as follows:

1. it has a userid and domain part separated by an @ char

2. the userid is not empty

3.  the domain has at least one period character in it

If you are not getting that error message output from sync_members, the 
strange thing is that the Errors.MMBadEmailError would then seem to 
originate when the Utils.ValidateEmail  is called a second time in respect 
of the same datum.

This occurs when Utils.ValidateEmail is again called at line 1096 of 
Mailman/MailList.py as the new members are actually added to the list.

The traceback you supplied seems to indicate this is when the error is 
occurring.

If this exception is being reported during this second round of processing 
it is not immediately obvious to me why this is happening.

If your or anybody else can offer a solution I'd like to know what it is. 
Must be something obvious but I cannot spot it right now.

At 19:53 07/11/2002, Jim Tomasello wrote:
>Good afternoon. I'm running a new setup of mailman, the version that comes 
>with Red Hat 8.0. My problem isn't with Mailman per se, but with the 
>sync_members script that comes with it.
>

Its better to specify the actual Mailman version number but lets assume 
that it is 2.0.x

>I am trying to load members from a text file. The file has one email 
>address per line and contains 2,086 emails. When I run the script using 
>the following command while logged in as root, "./sync_members -n -w=no 
>-a=no -f members realtor-members", doing the dry run, everything seems 
>fine. When I remove the -n parameter to run it live, it gets through 2,043 
>emails and then generates the following error:
>
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "./sync_members", line 257, in ?
>     main()
>   File "./sync_members", line 240, in main
>     welcome, notifyadmin)
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1054, in ApprovedAddMember
>     raise e, v
>Mailman.Errors.MMBadEmailError
>Now I've looked at the addresses around the one it appears to be dying on, 
>and they look fine. I have no idea what this is telling me the problem is. 
>I've looked in the /var/logs/mailman dir to see if I can find any evidence 
>of what's going on, to no avail. Anyone out there have any idea where I 
>should start looking to figure this one out? Any help would be appreciated.
>

Looking at the MM 2.0.13 code.

The only circumstance that I can see where Errors.MMBadEmailError is raised 
without  sync_members printing something like this and exiting:

Invalid :  <faulty email address>'
You must fix the preceding invalid addresses first.

is if  the maillist's own email address is on the list., i.e. you are 
trying to subscribe the list to itself.. Could that be the case??

This error is generated at line 970 of $prefix/Mailman/MailList.py in 
function AddMember.



From dave at umiacs.umd.edu  Fri Nov  8 17:25:15 2002
From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:25:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nested/umbrella lists
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0211081117100.28783-100000@forest.umiacs.umd.edu>

Is it a correct statement that if you have nested lists, the sub-lists
MUST be open-posting to allow the umbrella list to post to it?

Say I have a list called dave-test  which includes both user addresses and
names of one or more sublists. I thought I'd simply be able to add under
privacy-options in sublist "Addresses of members accepted for posting to
this list without implicit approval requirement". But that didn't seem to
work. What is the format? Is it dave-test at host.domain? dave-test\@host\.domain?

What can the "Alias names (regexps)" be used for?

Thanks



 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 David Stern                                            University of Maryland
                Institute for Advanced Computer Studies



From bkacmarsky at rwu.edu  Fri Nov  8 17:58:35 2002
From: bkacmarsky at rwu.edu (Brian C. Kacmarsky)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:58:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading to Version 2.1
Message-ID: <4FC51706E9DC424A9E5154F9189DE5DB383B@postoffice.rwu.edu>

Hello,
 
I am interested in upgrading our Mailman Software to Version 2.1 and
have a few questions on how to do this.  Our site (Roger Williams
University) currently uses Version 2.0.3.
 
The main reason for our decision to upgrade to Version 2.1 is due to the
fact that the footers do not show up on some of the list messages.
After review your FAQ I saw the solution was to upgrade to 2.1.
 
I have read the documentation both online and in the tar file regarding
updating the version and am a bit confused.
 
Do you have a site or document you can send me that will list the
correct steps that I should take in upgrading to version 2.1.
 
 
Thanks.
 
Brian
 
 
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From mleisher at crl.nmsu.edu  Fri Nov  8 19:25:32 2002
From: mleisher at crl.nmsu.edu (Mark Leisher)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:25:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Admin password problem
Message-ID: <15820.412.897240.199333@helion.crl.nmsu.edu>


    Mark> Setup: Solaris 2.8 Python 2.2.2 Mailman 2.0.13 Mozilla 1.1 (Enable
    Mark> all cookies)

    Mark> List and site passwords always fail authentication.  Any relevant
    Mark> clues?

Answering my own question:

  Mailman.Crypt.crypt() is returning a different result every time for the
  same password when Python 2.2.2 is used.

  Python 1.5.2 works.  Haven't tried any other version.
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New Mexico State University               is not so much left/right as
Box 30001, Dept. 3CRL                     anti-idiot.
Las Cruces, NM  88003                          -- Glenn Reynolds


From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Fri Nov  8 19:31:01 2002
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:31:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders
In-Reply-To: <000501c28691$7602a560$b9070a0a@gpupurs>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0211081030260.12286-100000@gort.cjb.net>

On Nov 7, 2002 at 14:11, Gary Pupurs wrote:

>Please consider switching the base code of mailman to send quarterly instead
>of monthly 'reminders' to subscribers.  As an avid subscriber of lists, it's
>annoying to get these messages every month, when every 3 or 6 months would
>suffice.

You can change the cron setting.

-- 
Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
"Mr. Worf, scan that ship."  "Aye Captain. 300 dpi?"



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Nov  8 19:44:35 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:44:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0211081030260.12286-100000@gort.cjb.net>
Message-ID: <206A912B-F34A-11D6-A0D5-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>

>> Please consider switching the base code of mailman to send quarterly 
>> instead
>> of monthly 'reminders' to subscribers.  As an avid subscriber of 
>> lists, it's
>> annoying to get these messages every month, when every 3 or 6 months 
>> would
>> suffice.
>
> You can change the cron setting.
>

I think he's saying that the default for mailman ought to be quarterly, 
and I got the impression he was speaking as a user, not an admin -- 
someone who GETS all of those messages every month.

Monthly is traditional, but I think it's worthy of some thought. With 
the List-* headers in the message, and the footer that traditionally 
points to the info pages (and with 2.1, that can be customized to the 
user), do we still need to send out reminders monthly?


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/

Stress is when you wake up screaming and you realize you haven't fallen 
asleep yet.



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Nov  8 19:44:35 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:44:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0211081030260.12286-100000@gort.cjb.net>
Message-ID: <206A912B-F34A-11D6-A0D5-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>

>> Please consider switching the base code of mailman to send quarterly 
>> instead
>> of monthly 'reminders' to subscribers.  As an avid subscriber of 
>> lists, it's
>> annoying to get these messages every month, when every 3 or 6 months 
>> would
>> suffice.
>
> You can change the cron setting.
>

I think he's saying that the default for mailman ought to be quarterly, 
and I got the impression he was speaking as a user, not an admin -- 
someone who GETS all of those messages every month.

Monthly is traditional, but I think it's worthy of some thought. With 
the List-* headers in the message, and the footer that traditionally 
points to the info pages (and with 2.1, that can be customized to the 
user), do we still need to send out reminders monthly?


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/

Stress is when you wake up screaming and you realize you haven't fallen 
asleep yet.



From bkacmarsky at rwu.edu  Fri Nov  8 19:50:51 2002
From: bkacmarsky at rwu.edu (Brian C. Kacmarsky)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:50:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading from 2.0.3 to 2.1
Message-ID: <4FC51706E9DC424A9E5154F9189DE5DB1B86AC@postoffice.rwu.edu>

Hello All,
 
I just inherited a Redhat Linux server running Mailman 2.0.3.   I was
asked to research why the footers of the messages were not always
appearing when a user would post to the list.  After doing some testing
I found out that only plain text messages were attaching these footers
and not messages sent in HTML format.  After doing some research on the
web.  I read the FAQ section and saw the the solution to this problem is
to upgrade to Version 2.1.
 
The main reason for my email is to find out if anyone has or knows where
I can find any step by step documentation on how to do the installation
process.  Being new to the software package as well as this server any
help would be appreciated.
 
Thanks.
 
Brian Kacmarsky
Systems Administrator    
Roger Williams University
 
 
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From btate2 at spsu.edu  Fri Nov  8 20:28:00 2002
From: btate2 at spsu.edu (Bryce Tate)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:28:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM and mhonarc problems...
Message-ID: <1326.168.28.177.68.1036783680.squirrel@mail.spsu.edu>

I am testing mailman for use at my university, and we want to be able to
support different MIME types in the archives.  I've installed Mhonarc and
I followed the directions of a very helpful list member from an earlier
post to the group.  When I manually run:

mhonarc -mbox $prefix/archives/private/yourmaillist.mbox/yourmaillist.mbox
-outdir /var/mhonarc/archives/yourmaillist -rcfile
/var/mhonarc/archives/yourmaillist/main.mrc

All of the messages (if I have any) move over just fine, but new messages
are archived automatically...I have this in the /var/log/mailman/error
file:

Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884): Traceback (most recent call last):
Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884):   File
"/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 213, in ArchiveMail
Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884):    
self.ExternalArchive(mm_cfg.PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, txt)
Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884):   File
"/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 174, in ExternalArchive
Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884):     syslog('error', 'external archiver
non-zero exit status: %d\n' %
Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884): TypeError: unsupported operand type(s)
for >>: 'str' and 'int'
Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 (1884) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: testlist

I even created an empty test list (as seen above) and it didn't have any
messages in it.  When I sent my first message to the list, the above is
also what the /var/log/mailman/error file reported.

Does anyone know what could be wrong?  I'm hoping that i'm not the only
one on this list who has had this problem before.  Below is my mm_cfg.py
file.  I also have appropriate aliases set in httpd.conf

And other than this Mhonarc issue (and pipermails lack of MIME support)
I've been very pleased with Mailman (and related programs), and my
recommendation will be that we use it.

Thanks for any feedback!

Bryce

#######################################################
#    Here's where we get the distributed defaults.    #

from Defaults import *
import pwd, grp

##############################################################
#    Here's where we override shipped defaults with settings #
#    suitable for the RPM package.                           #
MAILMAN_UID = pwd.getpwnam('mailman')[2]
MAILMAN_GID = grp.getgrnam('mailman')[2]
LOG_DIR     = '/var/log/mailman'
QUEUE_DIR   = '/var/spool/mailman/qfiles'

##############################################################
# Put YOUR site-specific configuration below, in mm_cfg.py . #
# See Defaults.py for explanations of the values.	     #

DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = '<MYHOSTNAME>'
DEFAULT_URL       = '<MYDEFAULTURL>'
MAILMAN_OWNER     = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME

# Note - if you're looking for something that is imported from mm_cfg, but
you
# didn't find it above, it's probably in Defaults.py.

PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mhonarchive'
PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mhonarchive'
PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/usr/bin/mhonarc -add -outdir
/var/mhonarc/archives/%(listname)s'
PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/usr/bin/mhonarc -add -outdir
/var/mhonarc/archives/%(listname)s'
#PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX,
'/var/mhonarc/archives/', 'private')




From btate2 at spsu.edu  Fri Nov  8 20:38:48 2002
From: btate2 at spsu.edu (Bryce Tate)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:38:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM and mhonarc problems...
In-Reply-To: <1326.168.28.177.68.1036783680.squirrel@mail.spsu.edu>
References: <1326.168.28.177.68.1036783680.squirrel@mail.spsu.edu>
Message-ID: <1362.168.28.177.68.1036784328.squirrel@mail.spsu.edu>

<SNIP>
> but new
> messages are archived automatically...

I'm sorry, I did a poor job proof reading, this should read that the
messages are NOT being archived automatically!

Thanks,

Bryce





From jsingh at fdu.edu  Fri Nov  8 20:54:09 2002
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:54:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with sendmail & mailman config
Message-ID: <005401c28760$9a2c2630$9a0bee84@FDUJACK>

Hello People
This is what I did, I configured my mailman and sendmail.
The messages are only being sent to the users in a digested format. No
one is receiving the individual emails being sent out.
When I check the mailq it says there is nothing pending.
But on the other hand I can go the archives on the http interface and
check the individual messages. Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong
here.
I am pulling my hair out here.
Thanks
Newbie
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From tcs at chacity.org  Fri Nov  8 21:26:59 2002
From: tcs at chacity.org (Clay Stuckey)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:26:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation problem
Message-ID: <000e01c28765$3105b720$9865fea9@chacity.org>

I have RedHat 7.3 with all current updates. When I follow the instructions
to set up mail man and restart apache, I get the following error:
Starting httpd: Syntax error on line 5 of
/etc/httpd/conf/httpd-mailman.conf:
Invalid command 'ScriptAlias', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module
not included in the server configuration

I have the line "Include conf/httpd-mailman.conp" in my httpd.conf. I stuck
it at the top of the script. Any ideas?




Sincerely,
Clay Stuckey - RHCE, CCNA, MCSE
Charleston Housing Authority - MIS Manager



From jsingh at fdu.edu  Fri Nov  8 22:03:59 2002
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:03:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with sendmail & mailman config
In-Reply-To: <005401c28760$9a2c2630$9a0bee84@FDUJACK>
Message-ID: <005f01c2876a$5bf63360$9a0bee84@FDUJACK>

On further review , I looked into smtp logs and this the error I got 
All recipients refused: (61, 'Connection refused')
I can telnet to 127.0.0.1 25 just fine. 
Please help
 
-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+jsingh=fdu.edu at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jsingh=fdu.edu at python.org] On Behalf Of
jsingh
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 2:54 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with sendmail & mailman config
 
Hello People
This is what I did, I configured my mailman and sendmail.
The messages are only being sent to the users in a digested format. No
one is receiving the individual emails being sent out.
When I check the mailq it says there is nothing pending.
But on the other hand I can go the archives on the http interface and
check the individual messages. Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong
here.
I am pulling my hair out here.
Thanks
Newbie
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From richard at imagecraft.com  Fri Nov  8 22:31:50 2002
From: richard at imagecraft.com (Richard F. Man)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 13:31:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail failing causing Mailman to go haywire
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021108132438.035a42a0@192.168.100.11>

OK, I found out that my problem is not a mail loop, but that when sending 
out digests, somehow sendmail fails, and cause Mailman to try to resend the 
digest forever. Mailman is 2.0.9, does anyone know how to get the version 
of sendmail?

Here's the excerpt from Mailman's error log:
Nov 08 13:20:05 2002 (21869) Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline
     func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py", line 86, in process
     fp.write(msgtext)
IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe

I did a
         mail -s "test" $(/home/mailman/bin/list_members -d <list>)
to send out a test msg to the digest members and that seem to be fine.

One potential problem is that for NORMAL posting, one of the list members' 
company recently mucked up their mail delivery and one would get this back 
when posting to the list:
***************************
From: TZO Mailer [mailto:mailer at tzo.com]
Sent: 8. november 2002 15:44
To: <XXXX>
Subject: Delivery failure to "'icc-avr at imagecraft.com'"
<icc-avr at imagecraft.com>


Delivery was attempted, but failed because:
554 <icc-avr at imagecraft.com>: Recipient address rejected: Relay access
denied

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Original Message:
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

TZForward: <XXXX>
Received: from 205.219.84.13 by saf.tzo.com
         id 2002110806440965687 for <XXXX>
         Fri, 08 Nov 2002 11:44:09 GMT
Received: from dragonsgate.imagecraft.com (209-128-106-110.BAYAREA.NET
[209.128.106.110])
         by postman.bayarea.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA52937;
         Fri, 8 Nov 2002 03:39:55 -0800 (PST)
         (envelope-from icc-avr-admin at imagecraft.com)
Received: (from mailman at localhost)
         by dragonsgate.imagecraft.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id
gA8Ce3f15336;
         Fri, 8 Nov 2002 04:40:03 -0800
******

I contacted them and they say they will look into the problem. However, can 
a normal user's email problem caused problems for digest mailing?

Thanks for any advice you may have

// richard <http://www.imagecraft.com> 
<http://www.dragonsgate.net/mailman/listinfo>
On-line orders, support, and listservers available on web site.
[ For technical support on ImageCraft products, please include all previous 
replies in your msgs. ]



From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Nov  8 23:35:38 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 14:35:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders 
In-Reply-To: Message from Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui@plaidworks.com> 
	<206A912B-F34A-11D6-A0D5-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> 
References: <206A912B-F34A-11D6-A0D5-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> 
Message-ID: <18802.1036794938@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:44:35 -0800 
Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui at plaidworks.com> wrote:

> Monthly is traditional, but I think it's worthy of some thought. With
> the List-* headers in the message, and the footer that traditionally
> points to the info pages (and with 2.1, that can be customized to the
> user), do we still need to send out reminders monthly?

Writing as an admin: Yes, I like and want the monthly reminders and I
don't want them any less frequent.  Why?  I'm fairly convinced that they
save me from, "unsubscribe me!" messages.  Certainly my rate of such
messages has collapsed since I moved to mailman, and I've a burst of
unsubscribes every month immediately after the reminders go out.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From clawson at jungle.ca  Fri Nov  8 23:38:22 2002
From: clawson at jungle.ca (Chris Lawson)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:38:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where do they keep the site wide templates?
Message-ID: <01d901c28777$984175c0$5103010a@cupedom.local>

...as in the ones used to create the page you see when you visit
/mailman/listinfo/ ?

I'm sorry if this is in the FAQ, but I honestly couldn't find it anywhere.
Nor could I find the site-wide list info template.

cmkl
--
Chris Lawson, Jungle Internet
http://www.jungle.ca



From barry at arhosting.com  Fri Nov  8 23:36:32 2002
From: barry at arhosting.com (Barry Smoke)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 16:36:32 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and qmail gid problem
Message-ID: <3DCC3C70.3080604@arhosting.com>

As the README.QMAIL states, there is a problem with virtual domains, and 
lists, and the way people usually get around it is to use a 
lists.whatever.com virtual domain, and point it directly to mailman,
however, I have a virtual domain, using vmailmgr, which users will 
recieve mail at, so my .qmail-default for that domain(/home/domain.com)
reads:
|usr/bin/vdeliver

I want that to stay, and also have a list called "list" to work on 
domain.com,
so the mailing list address would be list at domain.com

I put in a .qmail-list file in /home/domain.com, and I'm getting the gid 
by qmail...
@400000003dcc360a29b85604 delivery 4: deferral: 
Failure_to_exec_script._WANTED_gid_102,_GOT_gid_65848.__(Reconfigure_to_take_65848?)/

now in the README.QMAIL, it states that if I want to have a user other 
than mailman to deliver to ~mailman,
I can set the mailman directory to setgid, so I chmod 6775 ~mailman, and 
I'm still getting the same error...

I have to make this work,
so any advice is appreciated.

Thanks,
Barry Smoke
Owner arhosting.com




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Nov  9 01:50:10 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 08 Nov 2002 19:50:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading from 2.0.3 to 2.1
In-Reply-To: <4FC51706E9DC424A9E5154F9189DE5DB1B86AC@postoffice.rwu.edu>
References: <4FC51706E9DC424A9E5154F9189DE5DB1B86AC@postoffice.rwu.edu>
Message-ID: <1036803011.1630.262.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

How many lists are you converting over?  If it's just a few, then it is
easy to simply recreate the list in version 2.1 and then export/import
the users email addresses once all the 2.1 lists are up and running
properly.

In any case, I would recommend that you do start out small - move one or
two lists over to a Mailman 2.1 install.  That will let you learn more
about Mailman and also work out the kinks in moving the lists.

Good Luck -- Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 13:50, Brian C. Kacmarsky wrote:
> Hello All,
>  
> I just inherited a Redhat Linux server running Mailman 2.0.3.   I was
> asked to research why the footers of the messages were not always
> appearing when a user would post to the list.  After doing some testing
> I found out that only plain text messages were attaching these footers
> and not messages sent in HTML format.  After doing some research on the
> web.  I read the FAQ section and saw the the solution to this problem is
> to upgrade to Version 2.1.
>  
> The main reason for my email is to find out if anyone has or knows where
> I can find any step by step documentation on how to do the installation
> process.  Being new to the software package as well as this server any
> help would be appreciated.
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Brian Kacmarsky
> Systems Administrator    
> Roger Williams University
>  
>  




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Nov  9 02:11:40 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 08 Nov 2002 20:11:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with sendmail & mailman config
In-Reply-To: <005f01c2876a$5bf63360$9a0bee84@FDUJACK>
References: <005f01c2876a$5bf63360$9a0bee84@FDUJACK>
Message-ID: <1036804300.1630.277.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Are you sure your tcp stack is loaded and running properly.  I believe
that "61 Connection refused" is a problem communicating with your IP
stack (and not the MTA). Could your server be under load, or the IP
stack be flooded with requests?

If all that is fine then be sure that you have su'ed as user mailman
before doing any testing (like telnet 172.0.0.1 25).

This should check your local firewall to make sure that you allow
connections on port 25 from all interfaces including 127.0.0.1, and it
should check that your MTA is listening on the localhost interface.

Check your /etc/mail/access file and make sure that localhost and
127.0.0.1 are setup to allow relaying. Your machine probably has a name,
add that name to the access file and set it to allow relaying.

Good Luck -- Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 16:03, jsingh wrote:
> On further review , I looked into smtp logs and this the error I got 
> All recipients refused: (61, 'Connection refused')
> I can telnet to 127.0.0.1 25 just fine. 
> Please help
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-bounces+jsingh=fdu.edu at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jsingh=fdu.edu at python.org] On Behalf Of
> jsingh
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 2:54 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with sendmail & mailman config
>  
> Hello People
> This is what I did, I configured my mailman and sendmail.
> The messages are only being sent to the users in a digested format. No
> one is receiving the individual emails being sent out.
> When I check the mailq it says there is nothing pending.
> But on the other hand I can go the archives on the http interface and
> check the individual messages. Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong
> here.
> I am pulling my hair out here.
> Thanks
> Newbie




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Nov  9 02:24:34 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 08 Nov 2002 20:24:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and qmail gid problem
In-Reply-To: <3DCC3C70.3080604@arhosting.com>
References: <3DCC3C70.3080604@arhosting.com>
Message-ID: <1036805075.1634.286.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

It looks like qmail (or whatever is calling the Mailman aliases) is
using the Group ID of 65848 (or perhaps it is undefined). Your best bet
is to change qmail's Group ID to 102.  

Failing that, if 65848 really is a Group ID in /etc/group then you could
re-install Mailman and set it to use the mail gid of 65848.

Mailman has a check on the wrapper program (which is run via the MTA:
qmail). The check only allows the Mailman user, root, or the MTA to run
it.  The check looks at the Group ID of application that is trying to
start it.  In your case when wrapper looks up the Group ID of the
application that is trying to start it, the system is giving it the
number: 65848.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 17:36, Barry Smoke wrote:
> As the README.QMAIL states, there is a problem with virtual domains, and 
> lists, and the way people usually get around it is to use a 
> lists.whatever.com virtual domain, and point it directly to mailman,
> however, I have a virtual domain, using vmailmgr, which users will 
> recieve mail at, so my .qmail-default for that domain(/home/domain.com)
> reads:
> |usr/bin/vdeliver
> 
> I want that to stay, and also have a list called "list" to work on 
> domain.com,
> so the mailing list address would be list at domain.com
> 
> I put in a .qmail-list file in /home/domain.com, and I'm getting the gid 
> by qmail...
> @400000003dcc360a29b85604 delivery 4: deferral: 
> Failure_to_exec_script._WANTED_gid_102,_GOT_gid_65848.__(Reconfigure_to_take_65848?)/
> 
> now in the README.QMAIL, it states that if I want to have a user other 
> than mailman to deliver to ~mailman,
> I can set the mailman directory to setgid, so I chmod 6775 ~mailman, and 
> I'm still getting the same error...
> 
> I have to make this work,
> so any advice is appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Barry Smoke
> Owner arhosting.com
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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From barry at arhosting.com  Sat Nov  9 04:27:06 2002
From: barry at arhosting.com (Barry Smoke)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:27:06 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and qmail gid problem
In-Reply-To: <1036805075.1634.286.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <039001c2879f$e1095430$640a140a@antimatterxp>

I'm referring to the README.QMAIL file, which has the section on
setgid...

I know about mailman having to run as gid 102, which is what I hard
coded it to at install time...
I am an isp, which has a main domain of arhosting.com
I do virtual hosting, using apache, and qmail+vmailmgr, which I add
every virtual domin to the system as a user, which gives them a userid,
and gid...

I just made the virtual domains primary group the same as mailman's, and
it is working now...

It would be nice to get around having to do that though, because of
posting concerns/permissions...

I guess, I could still keep them in the group that was created when the
virtual domain was added as a user.



-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 7:25 PM
To: Barry Smoke
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman and qmail gid problem

It looks like qmail (or whatever is calling the Mailman aliases) is
using the Group ID of 65848 (or perhaps it is undefined). Your best bet
is to change qmail's Group ID to 102.  

Failing that, if 65848 really is a Group ID in /etc/group then you could
re-install Mailman and set it to use the mail gid of 65848.

Mailman has a check on the wrapper program (which is run via the MTA:
qmail). The check only allows the Mailman user, root, or the MTA to run
it.  The check looks at the Group ID of application that is trying to
start it.  In your case when wrapper looks up the Group ID of the
application that is trying to start it, the system is giving it the
number: 65848.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 17:36, Barry Smoke wrote:
> As the README.QMAIL states, there is a problem with virtual domains,
and 
> lists, and the way people usually get around it is to use a 
> lists.whatever.com virtual domain, and point it directly to mailman,
> however, I have a virtual domain, using vmailmgr, which users will 
> recieve mail at, so my .qmail-default for that
domain(/home/domain.com)
> reads:
> |usr/bin/vdeliver
> 
> I want that to stay, and also have a list called "list" to work on 
> domain.com,
> so the mailing list address would be list at domain.com
> 
> I put in a .qmail-list file in /home/domain.com, and I'm getting the
gid 
> by qmail...
> @400000003dcc360a29b85604 delivery 4: deferral: 
>
Failure_to_exec_script._WANTED_gid_102,_GOT_gid_65848.__(Reconfigure_to_
take_65848?)/
> 
> now in the README.QMAIL, it states that if I want to have a user other

> than mailman to deliver to ~mailman,
> I can set the mailman directory to setgid, so I chmod 6775 ~mailman,
and 
> I'm still getting the same error...
> 
> I have to make this work,
> so any advice is appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Barry Smoke
> Owner arhosting.com
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Sat Nov  9 04:30:57 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:30:57 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders 
In-Reply-To: <18802.1036794938@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <A8C46EE4-F393-11D6-B557-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>


On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 02:35  PM, J C Lawrence wrote:
> Writing as an admin: Yes, I like and want the monthly reminders and I
> don't want them any less frequent.  Why?  I'm fairly convinced that 
> they
> save me from, "unsubscribe me!" messages.

I rank the usefulness of these things this way:

1) unsubscribe/help information in the footer of every message.

2) regular postings.

3) the List-* headers (because they're new, people don't expect them, 
and MUA's don't make them easily available yet. Long term, they're the 
answer, once everyone buys into them)

> Certainly my rate of such
> messages has collapsed since I moved to mailman, and I've a burst of
> unsubscribes every month immediately after the reminders go out.
>

I'd argue it's more likely the footer for discussion lists. I did some 
experimenting with regular postings a few years ago (way pre-mailman), 
and found that there wasn't much difference between posting bi-weekly, 
monthly, and not at all, at least in terms of helping the casual user. 
They don't keep a copy of it, so it's never there when they want it (so 
they simply blat at the list). And the more often you post it, the more 
likely people simply tune it out as noise. That's one reason why I 
started experimenting with footer language instead, and pre-mailman, 
simply stopped sending regular postings. It just seemed like they were 
mostly bit-bucketed.

Where they come in handy, I think, are digest users and lists with 
infrequent postings. the busier a list, the less the monthly posting 
probably matters. The less frequently a list is used, the more it's 
useful just as a "hi, rmember us?" thing, since people can get out of 
the habit of using a mail list. But it also is a reminder to them 
they'd meant to unsubscribe...

Personally, I think monthly is "about right". I'm not ready to do away 
with them, especially since 2.1 can hook the bounce systme into them. 
but I'm still unsure just what good they do, either.




-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/

Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties
are largely ceremonial.



From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Nov  9 05:48:31 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 20:48:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders 
In-Reply-To: Message from Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui@plaidworks.com> 
	<A8C46EE4-F393-11D6-B557-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> 
References: <A8C46EE4-F393-11D6-B557-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> 
Message-ID: <24547.1036817311@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:30:57 -0800 
Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui at plaidworks.com> wrote:
> On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 02:35 PM, J C Lawrence wrote:

> I'd argue it's more likely the footer for discussion lists. I did some
> experimenting with regular postings a few years ago (way pre-mailman),
> and found that there wasn't much difference between posting bi-weekly,
> monthly, and not at all, at least in terms of helping the casual
> user. They don't keep a copy of it, so it's never there when they want
> it (so they simply blat at the list). And the more often you post it,
> the more likely people simply tune it out as noise. That's one reason
> why I started experimenting with footer language instead, and
> pre-mailman, simply stopped sending regular postings. It just seemed
> like they were mostly bit-bucketed.

Okay, but that doesn't explain the rash of unsubscribes every month on
an otherwise active discussion list.

> Personally, I think monthly is "about right". I'm not ready to do away
> with them, especially since 2.1 can hook the bounce systme into
> them. but I'm still unsure just what good they do, either.

<nod>

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Sat Nov  9 05:55:57 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:55:57 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders 
In-Reply-To: <24547.1036817311@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <889449D6-F39F-11D6-B557-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>


On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 08:48  PM, J C Lawrence wrote:
> Okay, but that doesn't explain the rash of unsubscribes every month on
> an otherwise active discussion list.
>

have you checked to see whether some (or all) of those people had set 
themselves nomail? Did they go nomail thinking they unsubscribed? Or go 
on vacation and forget to turn it back on, and when the reminder came, 
decided they liked the quiet?

I can think of a bunch of scenarios, but I don't have any data.


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/

The first rule of holes: If you are in one, stop digging.



From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Nov  9 05:59:40 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 20:59:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders 
In-Reply-To: Message from Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui@plaidworks.com> 
	<889449D6-F39F-11D6-B557-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> 
References: <889449D6-F39F-11D6-B557-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> 
Message-ID: <24729.1036817980@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:55:57 -0800 
Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui at plaidworks.com> wrote:
> On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 08:48 PM, J C Lawrence wrote:

>> Okay, but that doesn't explain the rash of unsubscribes every month
>> on an otherwise active discussion list.

> have you checked to see whether some (or all) of those people had set
> themselves nomail? Did they go nomail thinking they unsubscribed? Or
> go on vacation and forget to turn it back on, and when the reminder
> came, decided they liked the quiet?

No, I've not checked.  The only not-quite correlated statistic I have is
that my rate (and number) or NOMAIL subscribers is low (usually below 20
per 1,000).

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From jwblist at olympus.net  Sat Nov  9 09:04:53 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 00:04:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Does Mailman set a precedence header?
In-Reply-To: 
 <Pine.OSF.4.10.10211060956490.397622-100000@library.berkeley.edu>
References: 
 <Pine.OSF.4.10.10211060956490.397622-100000@library.berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <p05200f06b9f2702cda78@[192.168.1.50]>

At 9:58 -0800 11/6/2002, Mailman added to what Garey Mills wrote:
>X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b4+
>Precedence: list

So...yes.

In another list,
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0
but no Precedence.  (That was in fact 2.0.6.)

So...no.

You can have either answer you want (and adding Precedence: header in 2.0
ought to be easy if you have access).

[Garey used Pine, which can be told that one wants to be able to see all
the headers.  In the oldish version I still sometimes use, one sets a
preference, and then something like h reveals or hides all.]

  --John
-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA


From klausman at tuts.net  Sat Nov  9 11:54:57 2002
From: klausman at tuts.net (Tobias Klausmann)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 11:54:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch to quarterly reminders
In-Reply-To: <A8C46EE4-F393-11D6-B557-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>
References: <18802.1036794938@kanga.nu>
	<A8C46EE4-F393-11D6-B557-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>
Message-ID: <20021109105457.GA957@deathstar.tuts.net>

Hi! 

On Fri, 08 Nov 2002, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> Where they come in handy, I think, are digest users and lists with 
> infrequent postings. the busier a list, the less the monthly posting 
> probably matters. The less frequently a list is used, the more it's 
> useful just as a "hi, rmember us?" thing, since people can get out of 
> the habit of using a mail list. But it also is a reminder to them 
> they'd meant to unsubscribe...

Then, an additional setting smiimilar to the digest frequency
(i.e. send reminders out every N normal posts) might be handy.

Just my $0.02

Greets,
Tobias

-- 
A program that can't tolerate empty input vastly overestimates the
real world's interest in what it's doing.
(Tim Peters in comp.lang.python)


From Topaz877 at aol.com  Sat Nov  9 18:45:35 2002
From: Topaz877 at aol.com (Topaz877 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:45:35 EST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Carriage Return in Archives
Message-ID: <44.2913b252.2afea3bf@aol.com>

The problem isn't with mail delivery, it's with the archives. It goes without 
saying that Mailman can't do anything about how users configure their mail 
clients. But Mailman does control how the *archives* are displayed.

Not being a Python programmer, I haven't looked into a solution yet for my 
own installation. But the problem has surfaced enough times on this list that 
it seems worth addressing.

-Susan Dridi

Jeremy Portzer jeremyp at pobox.com wrote:
  
>  On Mon, 2002-10-28 at 17:08, ellen lenihan wrote:
>  
>> I posted this question to the list before but did not see a response so I 
> 
>> thought I'd try again.
>> Anyway - I'm new to managing a list and we've notice that for our 
>> archives there is no carriage return. So text just runs 
>> very far to the right making 
>> it very hard to read.
>> Any suggestions?
>> Thanks,
>> Ellen
>  
> Does this occur with every message in the archive, or just some of
> them?  If it's just some of them, it probably indicates that the
> original poster used a mail program that didn't send carriage returns in
> the first place.  This is a bug or misconfiguration in the original mail
> program, and not mailman's fault.  Ask your users to set the line length
> at 72 characters.
>  
> If this affects all posts, including those with proper carriage returns
> in the original message, I'm not sure what to say.
>  
> --Jeremy




From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Nov  9 20:46:40 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 11:46:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Carriage Return in Archives 
In-Reply-To: Message from Topaz877@aol.com 
   of "Sat, 09 Nov 2002 12:45:35 EST." <44.2913b252.2afea3bf@aol.com> 
References: <44.2913b252.2afea3bf@aol.com> 
Message-ID: <8762.1036871200@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:45:35 EST 
Topaz877  <Topaz877 at aol.com> wrote:

> The problem isn't with mail delivery, it's with the archives. It goes
> without saying that Mailman can't do anything about how users
> configure their mail clients. But Mailman does control how the
> *archives* are displayed.

Should the archive display messages as they were sent, or should it
attempt to "know best" and do what it thinks is right, over-riding the
specifics in the messages?  No matter which answer its easy to come up
with dozens of cases where its wrong.  Once past that there are concepts
and questions of fidelity: Is your archive an accurate representation of
list traffic?  Is the fact that it is (or is not) accurate, significant?

Then there's the question and principle of least surprise: Which is more
surprising, and archive which reformats or one which doesn't?

For me its critical that the archives are accurate, both as to
formatting and content, and that fact is significant as the archives are
(effectively) the one recorded "historical truth" as regards that list.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From Topaz877 at aol.com  Sun Nov 10 05:30:07 2002
From: Topaz877 at aol.com (Topaz877 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 23:30:07 EST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Carriage Return in Archives 
Message-ID: <8b.207c14fa.2aff3acf@aol.com>

Hi J C,

Regarding the principle of least surprise, the messages that have long lines 
in the archives arrive in my inbox perfectly formatted. So, it was a surprise 
to me that they did not line wrap in the archives. I suspect that AOL did 
this for me though I haven't researched it.

To me, content is the most important thing. What did the person say in their 
message? As such, ease of reading in the archives is important to me. This is 
partly why I use the stripmime script.

As far as fidelity, preserving the headers seems to be the most important 
thing, which Mailman does in the .mbox file.

If I had a list of IT savvy users, it would be no problem. But my users are 
savvy in other things, which are the things they wish to discuss on my lists.

Some prefer to get no e-mail, and just read the list archives. This becomes 
frustrating when you have to scroll horizontally for a long time.

I understand that I may be in the minority here. Even though I'm not a Python 
programmer, I do write other languages and can figure it out, though not as 
elegantly as the Mailman team could.

I would just like to suggest that this be an option. I have a feeling that a 
lot of list administrators who have non-technical subscribers, and who have 
migrated their lists from Yahoo, as a lot of people have done, would 
appreciate it.

-Susan

P.S. - People wouldn't have moved their lists from Yahoo if they didn't feel 
that this was a better product. I know I'm happy I was able to!


In a message dated 11/9/02 2:46:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, claw at kanga.nu 
writes:

> On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:45:35 EST 
>  Topaz877  <Topaz877 at aol.com> wrote:
>  
>  > The problem isn't with mail delivery, it's with the archives. It goes
>  > without saying that Mailman can't do anything about how users
>  > configure their mail clients. But Mailman does control how the
>  > *archives* are displayed.
>  
>  Should the archive display messages as they were sent, or should it
>  attempt to "know best" and do what it thinks is right, over-riding the
>  specifics in the messages?  No matter which answer its easy to come up
>  with dozens of cases where its wrong.  Once past that there are concepts
>  and questions of fidelity: Is your archive an accurate representation of
>  list traffic?  Is the fact that it is (or is not) accurate, significant?
>  
>  Then there's the question and principle of least surprise: Which is more
>  surprising, and archive which reformats or one which doesn't?
>  
>  For me its critical that the archives are accurate, both as to
>  formatting and content, and that fact is significant as the archives are
>  (effectively) the one recorded "historical truth" as regards that list.
>  
>  -- 
>  J C Lawrence                
>  ---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
>  claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?       
>  http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.
>  
>  


From davidgordon at ntlworld.com  Sun Nov 10 10:42:14 2002
From: davidgordon at ntlworld.com (David Gordon)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:42:14 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Instaling Mailman - almost working but...
Message-ID: <20021110094214.31811@smtp.ntlworld.com>

Hello

I'm installing Mailman 2.0.13 on a "Virtual Server". I have no real
experience of the command line or Unix so getting this far is pretty good
going!

I have got as far as creating the list "test" and received a mail from
Mailman saying my new list is set up. I cannot however access the admin
pages in that mail.

>You can configure your mailing list at the following web page:
>
>    http://mydomain1.tld/mailman/admin/test

The FAQs suggest that 404 not found errors are down to not configuring
the Apache httpd.conf file, but I do have the following lines

><VirtualHost mailman.mydomain1.tld>
>ServerName mailman.mydomain1.tld
>ServerAdmin mailman.mydomain1.tld
>DocumentRoot /home/mailman
>ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
>Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
></VirtualHost>

My first query is whether I need the DNS updated to point
mailman.mydomain1.tld to mydomain1.tld. (For example http://
www.mydomain1.tld reaches my web pages but http://mydomain1.tld takes you
to my servers default domain (myserver.myhost.tld). I need a CNAME entry
for mailman.mydomain1.tld perhaps?

Next sending a message to test-request at mydomain.tld doesn't work. The
message is cought by my 'catch-all' mailbox although I have set "test-
request at mydomain.tld mailman" in the virtusertable. (And done gen-
virtusertable)

I don't really understand the URLs Mailman gives in the "Your new mailing
list" message. I can see why it's <http://mydomain1.tld/mailman/listinfo/
test>. But thase pages don't exist on my server. Attempting to reach them
via http://myserver.myhost.tld/mailman etc doen't work either.

So as far as I can see this is either a DNS problem on my setup or I've
missed something somewhere...

Any clues or ideas welcome!

Thanks

DG





From support at obantec.net  Sun Nov 10 12:24:14 2002
From: support at obantec.net (Obantec Support)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:24:14 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Instaling Mailman - almost working but...
References: <20021110094214.31811@smtp.ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <046201c288ab$b6da2510$0a01a8c0@gamma>

See comment in your body.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Gordon" <davidgordon at ntlworld.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:42 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Instaling Mailman - almost working but...


> Hello
>
> I'm installing Mailman 2.0.13 on a "Virtual Server". I have no real
> experience of the command line or Unix so getting this far is pretty good
> going!
>
> I have got as far as creating the list "test" and received a mail from
> Mailman saying my new list is set up. I cannot however access the admin
> pages in that mail.
>
> >You can configure your mailing list at the following web page:
> >
> >    http://mydomain1.tld/mailman/admin/test
>
> The FAQs suggest that 404 not found errors are down to not configuring
> the Apache httpd.conf file, but I do have the following lines
>
> ><VirtualHost mailman.mydomain1.tld>
> >ServerName mailman.mydomain1.tld
> >ServerAdmin mailman.mydomain1.tld
> >DocumentRoot /home/mailman
> >ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
> >Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
> ></VirtualHost>

I would not have made a virtualhost for mailman.

Lets assume you have want mailman for all hosts then keep virtualhosts as
before and simple add required additions

so in your case (assuming www convention)

VirtualHost www.mydomain1.tld>
ServerName www.mydomain1.tld
ServerAlias mydomain1.tld
^^^^
just for completeness but not necessary howerver i prefer to add it. (you
could include mailman.mydomain1.tld as well)

ServerAdmin webmaster at mydomain1.tld
DocumentRoot /home/www.mydomain1.tld
^^^^^^^
Note you will have to adjust this to suit your virtual host paths not the
mailman paths as they have nothing to do with your hosts.

ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/

</VirtualHost>


> My first query is whether I need the DNS updated to point
> mailman.mydomain1.tld to mydomain1.tld. (For example http://
> www.mydomain1.tld reaches my web pages but http://mydomain1.tld takes you
> to my servers default domain (myserver.myhost.tld). I need a CNAME entry
> for mailman.mydomain1.tld perhaps?

missing ServerAlias but DNS ok as it finds your server. (you can add an A or
CNAME for mailman subdomain if you are still going to use it.

> Next sending a message to test-request at mydomain.tld doesn't work. The
> message is cought by my 'catch-all' mailbox although I have set "test-
> request at mydomain.tld mailman" in the virtusertable. (And done gen-
> virtusertable)

Work on that later get interface up first (IMHO) post a new question once
web up.

> I don't really understand the URLs Mailman gives in the "Your new mailing
> list" message. I can see why it's <http://mydomain1.tld/mailman/listinfo/
> test>. But thase pages don't exist on my server. Attempting to reach them
> via http://myserver.myhost.tld/mailman etc doen't work either.

Partly the missing ServerAlias but www.mydomain1.tld/mailman/listinfo/
should work since mailman is script alias for the cgi-bin under mailman dir
and listinfo is the script it runs.

in my opinion the URL http://mailman.mydomain1.tld/mailman/listinfo/ would
be over long and ugly.
but would work with mods i suggested.


> So as far as I can see this is either a DNS problem on my setup or I've
> missed something somewhere...

Mixed!

> Any clues or ideas welcome!
>
> Thanks
>
> DG
>

Hope that helps in part.

Mark
--
Obantec Support
www.obantec.net
WebHosting and Domains
Nominet UK Tag Holder



From kjartan at zind.net  Sun Nov 10 12:40:51 2002
From: kjartan at zind.net (Kjartan Mannes)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:40:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and qmail gid problem
In-Reply-To: <039001c2879f$e1095430$640a140a@antimatterxp>
References: <039001c2879f$e1095430$640a140a@antimatterxp>
Message-ID: <84100717674.20021110124051@zind.net>

Saturday, November 9, 2002, 4:27:06 AM, Barry Smoke wrote:
> I just made the virtual domains primary group the same as mailman's, and
> it is working now...

> It would be nice to get around having to do that though, because of
> posting concerns/permissions...

> I guess, I could still keep them in the group that was created when the
> virtual domain was added as a user.

I just keep two installations of Mailman. One for the few lists
controlled by Qmail itself and one for the virtual hosts. It isn't
ideal, but doesn't cause any security issues.

It would be nice if Mailman could be configured with a list of gids.

-- 
Kjartan <kjartan at zind.net> (http://natrak.net/)
:: "If you wish to be loved, show more of your faults than your
    virtues." - Edward Bulwer-Lytton



From kocurek at kocurek.eu.org  Sun Nov 10 14:38:06 2002
From: kocurek at kocurek.eu.org (Jacek =?iso-8859-2?Q?Wojaczy=F1skiPOL?=)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:38:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Compilation problem
Message-ID: <20021110133806.GA12091@kocurek.eu.org>

Hi!

I had Mailman 2.0. I did "rpm -e mailman"
I downloaded mailman-2.1b4

I followed instructions from INSTALL file.

While compiling I get the error message:

[...]
Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py ...
Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py ...
Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "bin/update", line 44, in ?
import paths
File "bin/paths.py", line 55, in ?
import japanese
ImportError: No module named japanese
make: *** [update] Error 1
	    
What's wrong?
-- 
kocurek


From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Nov 10 16:49:12 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 10 Nov 2002 10:49:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Carriage Return in Archives
In-Reply-To: <8b.207c14fa.2aff3acf@aol.com>
References: <8b.207c14fa.2aff3acf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1036943354.1637.12.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Dudes.  The problem is with the sender.  You have some folks using an
MUA that does not put in hard returns in the email.

Most MUA's will do an automatic line-wrap so they don't notice it.

The archives don't do a line-wrap. If you want YOUR archive to line
wrap, then run the archive mbox through the "fold" utility and
regenerate the html archives.

 
On Sat, 2002-11-09 at 23:30, Topaz877 at aol.com wrote:
> Hi J C,
> 
> Regarding the principle of least surprise, the messages that have long lines 
> in the archives arrive in my inbox perfectly formatted. So, it was a surprise 
> to me that they did not line wrap in the archives. I suspect that AOL did 
> this for me though I haven't researched it.
> 
> To me, content is the most important thing. What did the person say in their 
> message? As such, ease of reading in the archives is important to me. This is 
> partly why I use the stripmime script.
> 
> As far as fidelity, preserving the headers seems to be the most important 
> thing, which Mailman does in the .mbox file.
> 
> If I had a list of IT savvy users, it would be no problem. But my users are 
> savvy in other things, which are the things they wish to discuss on my lists.
> 
> Some prefer to get no e-mail, and just read the list archives. This becomes 
> frustrating when you have to scroll horizontally for a long time.
> 
> I understand that I may be in the minority here. Even though I'm not a Python 
> programmer, I do write other languages and can figure it out, though not as 
> elegantly as the Mailman team could.
> 
> I would just like to suggest that this be an option. I have a feeling that a 
> lot of list administrators who have non-technical subscribers, and who have 
> migrated their lists from Yahoo, as a lot of people have done, would 
> appreciate it.
> 
> -Susan
> 
> P.S. - People wouldn't have moved their lists from Yahoo if they didn't feel 
> that this was a better product. I know I'm happy I was able to!
> 
> 
> In a message dated 11/9/02 2:46:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, claw at kanga.nu 
> writes:
> 
> > On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:45:35 EST 
> >  Topaz877  <Topaz877 at aol.com> wrote:
> >  
> >  > The problem isn't with mail delivery, it's with the archives. It goes
> >  > without saying that Mailman can't do anything about how users
> >  > configure their mail clients. But Mailman does control how the
> >  > *archives* are displayed.
> >  
> >  Should the archive display messages as they were sent, or should it
> >  attempt to "know best" and do what it thinks is right, over-riding the
> >  specifics in the messages?  No matter which answer its easy to come up
> >  with dozens of cases where its wrong.  Once past that there are concepts
> >  and questions of fidelity: Is your archive an accurate representation of
> >  list traffic?  Is the fact that it is (or is not) accurate, significant?
> >  
> >  Then there's the question and principle of least surprise: Which is more
> >  surprising, and archive which reformats or one which doesn't?
> >  
> >  For me its critical that the archives are accurate, both as to
> >  formatting and content, and that fact is significant as the archives are
> >  (effectively) the one recorded "historical truth" as regards that list.
> >  
> >  -- 
> >  J C Lawrence                
> >  ---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
> >  claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?       
> >  http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.
> >  
> >  
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From john at eastcoast-pc.com  Sun Nov 10 17:33:49 2002
From: john at eastcoast-pc.com (Johnathon B. Allread)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:33:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
Message-ID: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com>

Hello all,

I just subscribed to the list and I am in need of some help.  I just
installed Mailman off of the Mandrake 9.0 disc set and went to
/var/lib/mailman/bin/ and executed newlist and added a list called test1. 
As list owner, I received an email stating that the list has been created.
 I added a couple of users.  I tried sending an email to
test1 at norvanet.com and my mail server sent a reply "unknown user".  I am
using postfix for my mail server.  Any ideas why I got this message
instead of it going to the list?

Thanks for the help.



-- 
Johnathon B. Allread
A+, MCP, MCSA, Linux User
East Coast Computers
1902 Colley Avenue
Norfolk, VA 23517-1613
http://www.eastcoast-pc.com
PH   757-313-7582
FX   757-313-7587
Cell 757-235-5629
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From kocurek at kocurek.eu.org  Sun Nov 10 17:39:22 2002
From: kocurek at kocurek.eu.org (Jacek Wojaczynski)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:39:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com>
References: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com>
Message-ID: <20021110163922.GB13901@kocurek.eu.org>

Sunday, 10 Nov 2002 at 11:33 Johnathon B. Allread wrote:

>  I added a couple of users.  I tried sending an email to
> test1 at norvanet.com and my mail server sent a reply "unknown user".  I am
> using postfix for my mail server.  Any ideas why I got this message
> instead of it going to the list?

Have you added the appropriate aliases?

-- 
kocurek


From john at eastcoast-pc.com  Sun Nov 10 18:00:38 2002
From: john at eastcoast-pc.com (Johnathon B. Allread -  East Coast Computers)
Date: 10 Nov 2002 12:00:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <20021110163922.GB13901@kocurek.eu.org>
References: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com> 
	<20021110163922.GB13901@kocurek.eu.org>
Message-ID: <1036947639.11758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 11:39, Jacek Wojaczynski wrote:
> Sunday, 10 Nov 2002 at 11:33 Johnathon B. Allread wrote:
> 
> >  I added a couple of users.  I tried sending an email to
> > test1 at norvanet.com and my mail server sent a reply "unknown user".  I am
> > using postfix for my mail server.  Any ideas why I got this message
> > instead of it going to the list?
> 
> Have you added the appropriate aliases?
> 
> -- 
> kocurek


Are you refering to aliases in the /etc/postfix/aliases file?  If so,
where should the alias for test1 point to?

Thanks for the help.

Johnathon B. Allread



From kocurek at kocurek.eu.org  Sun Nov 10 18:16:09 2002
From: kocurek at kocurek.eu.org (Jacek Wojaczynski)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:16:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <1036947639.11758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com>
	<20021110163922.GB13901@kocurek.eu.org>
	<1036947639.11758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20021110171608.GB14384@kocurek.eu.org>

Sunday, 10 Nov 2002 at 12:00 Johnathon B. Allread -  East Coast Computers wrote:
> > > test1 at norvanet.com and my mail server sent a reply "unknown user".  I am
> > > using postfix for my mail server.  Any ideas why I got this message
> > > instead of it going to the list?
> > Have you added the appropriate aliases?
> Are you refering to aliases in the /etc/postfix/aliases file?  If so,
> where should the alias for test1 point to?

What version of Mailman do you use? 2.0 or 2.1?
I used to have some aliases for /etc/postfix/aliases - exactly 
those which Mailman told me to create. It's in the manual.

PS. Don't forget about "newaliases" command after adding aliases
to /etc/postfix/aliases.
-- 
kocurek


From bob at nleaudio.com  Sun Nov 10 18:16:13 2002
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:16:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Carriage Return in Archives
In-Reply-To: <E18Av4o-00052U-00@mail.python.org>
References: <E18Av4o-00052U-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <20021110171613.M96437@nleaudio.com>

I did a mod in my mailman to handle this problem.  Instead of simply placing
text between <pre> and </pre> (I think that's the tag that's used), I
converted the text simply to HTML by translating /n to <br>, "  " to "
&nbsp;", and the < and > characters.  Now my archives wrap according to the
browser - just like the email should wrap to the user's window.  If I get some
time, I'll try to post the mod.

Bob






From john at eastcoast-pc.com  Sun Nov 10 18:24:16 2002
From: john at eastcoast-pc.com (Johnathon B. Allread -  East Coast Computers)
Date: 10 Nov 2002 12:24:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <20021110171608.GB14384@kocurek.eu.org>
References: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com>
	<20021110163922.GB13901@kocurek.eu.org>
	<1036947639.11758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> 
	<20021110171608.GB14384@kocurek.eu.org>
Message-ID: <1036949057.11758.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 12:16, Jacek Wojaczynski wrote:
> Sunday, 10 Nov 2002 at 12:00 Johnathon B. Allread -  East Coast Computers wrote:
> > > > test1 at norvanet.com and my mail server sent a reply "unknown user".  I am
> > > > using postfix for my mail server.  Any ideas why I got this message
> > > > instead of it going to the list?
> > > Have you added the appropriate aliases?
> > Are you refering to aliases in the /etc/postfix/aliases file?  If so,
> > where should the alias for test1 point to?
> 
> What version of Mailman do you use? 2.0 or 2.1?
> I used to have some aliases for /etc/postfix/aliases - exactly 
> those which Mailman told me to create. It's in the manual.
> 
> PS. Don't forget about "newaliases" command after adding aliases
> to /etc/postfix/aliases.
> -- 

I am using version 2.013.  I know the newaliases command.  You mention
manual, however, I can't seem to find it on the web.  A manual will help
a lot.

Thanks,

Johnathon 



From kocurek at kocurek.eu.org  Sun Nov 10 18:38:54 2002
From: kocurek at kocurek.eu.org (Jacek Wojaczynski)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:38:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <1036949057.11758.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com>
	<20021110163922.GB13901@kocurek.eu.org>
	<1036947639.11758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20021110171608.GB14384@kocurek.eu.org>
	<1036949057.11758.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20021110173854.GD14384@kocurek.eu.org>

Sunday, 10 Nov 2002 at 12:24 Johnathon B. Allread -  East Coast
Computers wrote:

> > What version of Mailman do you use? 2.0 or 2.1?
> > I used to have some aliases for /etc/postfix/aliases - exactly 
> > those which Mailman told me to create. It's in the manual.
> > PS. Don't forget about "newaliases" command after adding aliases
> > to /etc/postfix/aliases.
> I am using version 2.013.  I know the newaliases command.  You mention
> manual, however, I can't seem to find it on the web.  A manual will help
> a lot.

Well... from the manual (the INSTALL file):

- Running newlist will generate a list of aliases that must be
  added to the system.  If you are running Sendmail, you may add
  the lines output directly to the file /etc/aliases.  You may
  need to run the command 'newaliases' (all as root).  Now the
  mailing address for your list as well as its administrative
  addresses will be set up.  If you are not running Sendmail,
  consult your MTA's documentation for information on adding
  aliases.
-- 
kocurek


From jeremyp at pobox.com  Sun Nov 10 18:43:24 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 10 Nov 2002 12:43:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Instaling Mailman - almost working but...
In-Reply-To: <20021110094214.31811@smtp.ntlworld.com>
References: <20021110094214.31811@smtp.ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <1036950206.1597.26.camel@silverstar>

On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 04:42, David Gordon wrote:
> 
> ><VirtualHost mailman.mydomain1.tld>
> >ServerName mailman.mydomain1.tld
> >ServerAdmin mailman.mydomain1.tld
> >DocumentRoot /home/mailman
> >ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
> >Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
> ></VirtualHost>
> 
> I don't really understand the URLs Mailman gives in the "Your new mailing
> list" message. I can see why it's <http://mydomain1.tld/mailman/listinfo/
> test>. But thase pages don't exist on my server. Attempting to reach them
> via http://myserver.myhost.tld/mailman etc doen't work either.

Above you say that you've configured Apache properly.  But then you say
that these "pages don't exist" (they're really CGI scripts remember). 
Why are you putting the ScriptAlias in a new virtual host for
mailman.mydomain1.tld instead of in the "default" host for
mydomain1.tld?  You have a direct conflict between how you've configured
mailman (for mydomain1.tld) and your configuration of Apache (for
mailman.mydomain1.tld) .

--Jeremy



From jeremyp at pobox.com  Sun Nov 10 18:48:08 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 10 Nov 2002 12:48:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <1036947639.11758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com> 
	<20021110163922.GB13901@kocurek.eu.org> 
	<1036947639.11758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1036950490.1597.31.camel@silverstar>

On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 12:00, Johnathon B. Allread - East Coast Computers
wrote:
> On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 11:39, Jacek Wojaczynski wrote:
> > Sunday, 10 Nov 2002 at 11:33 Johnathon B. Allread wrote:
> > 
> > >  I added a couple of users.  I tried sending an email to
> > > test1 at norvanet.com and my mail server sent a reply "unknown user".  I am
> > > using postfix for my mail server.  Any ideas why I got this message
> > > instead of it going to the list?
> > 
> > Have you added the appropriate aliases?
> > 
> 
> Are you refering to aliases in the /etc/postfix/aliases file?  If so,
> where should the alias for test1 point to?
> 

When you ran the "newlist" command, it should have generated a list of
aliases, formatted exactly for the aliases file.  Did "newlist" generate
this output on your system?  If so, any particular reason why you
ignored it?  I'm not trying to be snide, I'm just wondering if there's
some way this step could be improved -- there are many many queries
every week with people who ignore the alias-creation step, and I'm
wondering why.  As far as I know, there's nothing in the output of
"newlist" that says alias-creation is optional. :-)

--Jeremy



From john at eastcoast-pc.com  Sun Nov 10 19:17:23 2002
From: john at eastcoast-pc.com (Johnathon B. Allread -  East Coast Computers)
Date: 10 Nov 2002 13:17:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <1036950490.1597.31.camel@silverstar>
References: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com> 
	<20021110163922.GB13901@kocurek.eu.org> 
	<1036947639.11758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> 
	<1036950490.1597.31.camel@silverstar>
Message-ID: <1036952244.11758.43.camel@localhost.localdomain>

> 
> When you ran the "newlist" command, it should have generated a list of
> aliases, formatted exactly for the aliases file.  Did "newlist" generate
> this output on your system?

Now that you mention it:

Entry for aliases file:

## list2 mailing list
## created: 10-Nov-2002 root
list2:                   "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post list2"
list2-admin:             "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
list2"
list2-request:           "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd list2"
list2-owner:             list2-admin

> If so, any particular reason why you
> ignored it?

I didn't "ignore" it, it states "Entry for aliases file"  It should read
"Ensure you add the following information to your Aliases file for
mailman to work"

  I'm not trying to be snide, 

Well, your comment seems pretty snide...  Mailman seems to be a great
program since I figured out what I needed to do.  The documentation
seems lacking, but I can't complain since there is a mailing list
devoted to it.

I'm just wondering if there's
> some way this step could be improved -- there are many many queries
> every week with people who ignore the alias-creation step, and I'm
> wondering why.  

Well the reason would be that the "alias-creation step" doesn't tell you
to edit the aliases file (see comment above).  I mentioned how to
improve the wording.  What would be a great help is to add this
re-occurring problem to the FAQ.  I looked and didn't see it.


As far as I know, there's nothing in the output of
> "newlist" that says alias-creation is optional. :-)

Then again, nothing says to edit the file either.  It looks as if it
just states alias information.  I am sure there is a way to change the
script to edit the alias file automatically.  Nothing is impossible...

BTW, thanks for the info...  It is what I needed to get Mailman to work.

Johnathon B. Allread
East Coast Computers
1902 Colley Avenue
Norfolk, VA 23517
http://www.eastcoast-pc.com



From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Nov 10 20:44:58 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:44:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Carriage Return in Archives 
In-Reply-To: Message from Topaz877@aol.com 
   of "Sat, 09 Nov 2002 23:30:07 EST." <8b.207c14fa.2aff3acf@aol.com> 
References: <8b.207c14fa.2aff3acf@aol.com> 
Message-ID: <26247.1036957498@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 23:30:07 EST 
Topaz877  <Topaz877 at aol.com> wrote:

> Regarding the principle of least surprise, the messages that have long
> lines in the archives arrive in my inbox perfectly formatted. So, it
> was a surprise to me that they did not line wrap in the archives. I
> suspect that AOL did this for me though I haven't researched it.

Aye, its likely, and regrettable, that AOL does this.

> To me, content is the most important thing. What did the person say in
> their message? As such, ease of reading in the archives is important
> to me. This is partly why I use the stripmime script.

For me formatting is often significant, and almost as often a critical
part of content.  Sometimes in now just what was said, but how it was
said.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From davidgordon at ntlworld.com  Sun Nov 10 21:03:19 2002
From: davidgordon at ntlworld.com (David Gordon)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:03:19 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another "newlist" aliases problem?
Message-ID: <20021110200319.24841@smtp.ntlworld.com>

Set up test list "list". Web interface working. Subscription requests
generates "confirmation of subscription" mail. Replying to that mail (to
test-request at mydomain1.tld) sees that mail routed via my catch-all mail
account for that domain.

Yes, I have done the business with the aliases document. Here's what it
says...

>mailman: mailman at mydomain1.tld
>mailman-owner: mailman
>test-request: mailman
>## test mailing list
>## created: 09-Nov-2002 mailman
>test:                    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
>test-admin:              "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
>test-request:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
>test-owner:              test-admin

I also did a "newaliases". I've tried a couple of times but I can't get
it going. Is it because I have a catch-all email set up? I'm running
Sendmail. Somewhere in Sendmail I have a line

@mydomain1.tld user1

Do I have to add the alias lines there as well?

Thanks!

DG



From rhorer at swbell.net  Sun Nov 10 21:25:21 2002
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:25:21 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another "newlist" aliases problem?
In-Reply-To: <20021110200319.24841@smtp.ntlworld.com>
References: <20021110200319.24841@smtp.ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <200211101425.21501.rhorer@swbell.net>

On Sunday 10 November 2002 14:03, David Gordon wrote:
> Set up test list "list". Web interface working. Subscription requests
> generates "confirmation of subscription" mail. Replying to that mail
> (to test-request at mydomain1.tld) sees that mail routed via my
> catch-all mail account for that domain.

The answer is quite simple...

> Yes, I have done the business with the aliases document. Here's what
> it says...
>
> mailman: mailman at mydomain1.tld
> mailman-owner: mailman
> test-request: mailman
> ## test mailing list
> ## created: 09-Nov-2002 mailman
> test:                    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
> test-admin:              "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test" 
> test-request:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
> test-owner:              test-admin

As you can see, you have "test-request" defined twice.  I don't know 
about Sendmail specifically, but some other MTAs use the first 
definition of an alias that they encounter.  Take out the
"test-request: mailman"
line and that will probably solve your problem.

Kyle
-- 
Since the general civilizations of mankind, I believe there are more
instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual
and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden
usurpations.
                                                  -James Madison




From rhorer at swbell.net  Sun Nov 10 21:29:03 2002
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:29:03 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another "newlist" aliases problem?
In-Reply-To: <20021110200319.24841@smtp.ntlworld.com>
References: <20021110200319.24841@smtp.ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <200211101429.03045.rhorer@swbell.net>

Oops, I jumped the gun a little bit on my last reply.

On Sunday 10 November 2002 14:03, David Gordon wrote:
> Somewhere in Sendmail I have a line
>
> @mydomain1.tld user1

You should probably remove that.

Kyle
-- 
Since the general civilizations of mankind, I believe there are more
instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual
and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden
usurpations.
                                                  -James Madison




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Nov 11 00:43:01 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 10 Nov 2002 18:43:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <1036952244.11758.43.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com> 
	<20021110163922.GB13901@kocurek.eu.org> 
	<1036947639.11758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> 
	<1036950490.1597.31.camel@silverstar> 
	<1036952244.11758.43.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1036971781.1635.14.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 13:17, Johnathon B. Allread - East Coast Computers
wrote:

> 
> Well, your comment seems pretty snide...  Mailman seems to be a great
> program since I figured out what I needed to do.  The documentation
> seems lacking, but I can't complain since there is a mailing list
> devoted to it.

Hmmm, Jeremy's mail seemed pretty nice to me - especially since he hit
the mark on your problem.  In light of that, your statement seems much
more snide.
> 
> I'm just wondering if there's
> > some way this step could be improved -- there are many many queries
> > every week with people who ignore the alias-creation step, and I'm
> > wondering why.  
> 
> Well the reason would be that the "alias-creation step" doesn't tell you
> to edit the aliases file (see comment above).  I mentioned how to
> improve the wording.  What would be a great help is to add this
> re-occurring problem to the FAQ.  I looked and didn't see it.
> 
FAQ entry 3.14 section 2

BTW: the FAQ is open source.  Feel free to adjust it so others who
follow will have an easier time...




From john at eastcoast-pc.com  Mon Nov 11 01:44:18 2002
From: john at eastcoast-pc.com (Johnathon B. Allread -  East Coast Computers)
Date: 10 Nov 2002 19:44:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <1036971781.1635.14.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com> 
	<20021110163922.GB13901@kocurek.eu.org> 
	<1036947639.11758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> 
	<1036950490.1597.31.camel@silverstar> 
	<1036952244.11758.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> 
	<1036971781.1635.14.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1036975459.1539.25.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 18:43, Jon Carnes wrote:
 
> Hmmm, Jeremy's mail seemed pretty nice to me - especially since he hit
> the mark on your problem.  In light of that, your statement seems much
> more snide.

Which comment seemed like that?  I explain the reason why I "ignored"
the "alias creation step."  Nothing said to edit the aliases file.

> > 
> FAQ entry 3.14 section 2

Which web site is this from?  I am looking at: 

http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/faq.html  

not sure what you are referring to.  I see a couple of website
pertaining to mailman.  What is the offical website?

> 
> BTW: the FAQ is open source.  Feel free to adjust it so others who
> follow will have an easier time...

Sounds great, I will.  However, I believe the developers should edit the
new list script to tell the user to edit the aliases file so this list
won't have so many posts about the same problem.  Since most new users
to a mailing list such as myself, don't know how Mailman interacts with
the MTA.  Now that I know, I will educate the other members of my Unix
user group.  

Thanks for the insight.

Johnathon B. Allread
East Coast Computers
http://www.eastcoast-pc.com
 




From jeremyp at pobox.com  Mon Nov 11 05:32:23 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 10 Nov 2002 23:32:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <1036952244.11758.43.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com> 
	<20021110163922.GB13901@kocurek.eu.org> 
	<1036947639.11758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> 
	<1036950490.1597.31.camel@silverstar> 
	<1036952244.11758.43.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1036989144.2807.11.camel@silverstar>

On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 13:17, Johnathon B. Allread - East Coast Computers
wrote:
> jeremyp at pobox.com wrote:
>
> >As far as I know, there's nothing in the output of
> > "newlist" that says alias-creation is optional. :-)
> 
> Then again, nothing says to edit the file either.  It looks as if it
> just states alias information.  

I understand your point.  It should say something like "You must now add
these aliases to your alias file" instead of just stating that they are
aliases.  Hopefully some developer-types are listening and could
consider rewording this in a future version?

> I am sure there is a way to change the
> script to edit the alias file automatically.  Nothing is impossible...

Given the multitudes of MTAs, locations of alias files, etc, I'm not
sure that's such a good idea.  But for sysadmin's who create a lot of
lists, it might be feasible to develop a script to do such on your own
system.  (The aliases are pretty formulaic anyway.)

Sorry for my snide-ness... but glad this got things fixed for you!

--Jeremy



From jeremyp at pobox.com  Mon Nov 11 05:38:28 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 10 Nov 2002 23:38:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <1036975459.1539.25.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com> 
	<20021110163922.GB13901@kocurek.eu.org> 
	<1036947639.11758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> 
	<1036950490.1597.31.camel@silverstar> 
	<1036952244.11758.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> 
	<1036971781.1635.14.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> 
	<1036975459.1539.25.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1036989510.2808.18.camel@silverstar>

On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 19:44, Johnathon B. Allread - East Coast Computers
wrote:
> On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 18:43, Jon Carnes wrote:
>  
> > FAQ entry 3.14 section 2
> 
> Which web site is this from?  I am looking at: 
> 
> http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/faq.html  
> 
> not sure what you are referring to.  I see a couple of website
> pertaining to mailman.  What is the offical website?

Look at the very top of that web page, just below the header.  You'll
see a link marked "See also the Mailman FAQ Wizard for more
information." -- links to http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py where
you can lookup the 3.14 question Jon referred to.

I agree that mailman does seem to have multiple FAQs and multiple web
sites -- list.org, gnu.org/software/mailman, the sourceforge project,
and various things are on python.org like this mailing list and the FAQ
wizard.  I think it would be less confusing to consolidate everything,
preferably to list.org.  But this is a volunteer project and people
contribute when they can!

--Jeremy



From davidgordon at ntlworld.com  Mon Nov 11 11:58:45 2002
From: davidgordon at ntlworld.com (David Gordon)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:58:45 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail: Cannot mail directly to programs
Message-ID: <20021111105845.9816@smtp.ntlworld.com>

I've now got the Mailman web interface up and working for my first list.
However sending a message to test-request at mydomain1.tld (to get help)
results in the following mail error

>Recipient "test-request at mydomain1.tld refused
>on "smtp.mydomain1.tld"
>5.7.1 <test-request at mydomain1.tld> ... Cannot
>mail directly to programs

According to the Sendmail FAQs at <http://www.sendmail.org/faq/section3.html>

Q3.11 -- Why can't my users forward their mail to a program?

" If you are willing to let users run programs from their .forward file
even though they cannot telnet or rsh in (as might be reasonable if you
run smrsh to control the list of programs they can run) then add the line:

/SENDMAIL/ANY/SHELL/

to /etc/shells. "

Er, can I/should I do that then? Or is there another/better/safer/correct
way to do this?

Thanks again!

DG





From barce at dearriba.com  Mon Nov 11 13:35:26 2002
From: barce at dearriba.com (Carlos Barcenilla)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:35:26 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named Charset
Message-ID: <004901c2897e$d04dcf00$0100a8c0@america>

Hi!
  
When I call checkdbs (either manually or from cron) i get the following error:

[root at cox cron]# ./checkdbs
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./checkdbs", line 26, in ?
    from email.Charset import Charset
ImportError: No module named Charset

I solved this way, but I think it's a bug.

[root at cox cron]# export PYTHONPATH=/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib
[root at cox cron]# ./checkdbs

Versions:
-OS: Red Hat 8.0
-Python: 2.2.1
-mailman: 2.1b4

Regards.
Carlos
  

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From samarta at ci.uc.pt  Mon Nov 11 15:39:47 2002
From: samarta at ci.uc.pt (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_S=E1_Marta?=)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:39:47 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM and mhonarc problems...
In-Reply-To: <1326.168.28.177.68.1036783680.squirrel@mail.spsu.edu>
Message-ID: <000001c28990$2fe44460$f7c888c1@ci.uc.pt>



-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+samarta=ci.uc.pt at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+samarta=ci.uc.pt at python.org] On Behalf Of
Bryce Tate
Sent: 08 November 2002 19:28
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM and mhonarc problems...


I am testing mailman for use at my university, and we want to be able to
support different MIME types in the archives.  I've installed Mhonarc
and I followed the directions of a very helpful list member from an
earlier post to the group.  When I manually run:

mhonarc -mbox
$prefix/archives/private/yourmaillist.mbox/yourmaillist.mbox
-outdir /var/mhonarc/archives/yourmaillist -rcfile
/var/mhonarc/archives/yourmaillist/main.mrc

All of the messages (if I have any) move over just fine, but new
messages are archived automatically...I have this in the
/var/log/mailman/error
file:

Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884): Traceback (most recent call last):
Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884):   File
"/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 213, in ArchiveMail
Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884):    
self.ExternalArchive(mm_cfg.PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, txt)
Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884):   File
"/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 174, in
ExternalArchive
Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884):     syslog('error', 'external
archiver
non-zero exit status: %d\n' %
Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884): TypeError: unsupported operand
type(s) for >>: 'str' and 'int' Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 (1884) CORRUPT
ARCHIVE FOR LIST: testlist

I even created an empty test list (as seen above) and it didn't have any
messages in it.  When I sent my first message to the list, the above is
also what the /var/log/mailman/error file reported.

Does anyone know what could be wrong?  I'm hoping that i'm not the only
one on this list who has had this problem before.  Below is my mm_cfg.py
file.  I also have appropriate aliases set in httpd.conf

And other than this Mhonarc issue (and pipermails lack of MIME support)
I've been very pleased with Mailman (and related programs), and my
recommendation will be that we use it.

Thanks for any feedback!

Bryce

#######################################################
#    Here's where we get the distributed defaults.    #

from Defaults import *
import pwd, grp

##############################################################
#    Here's where we override shipped defaults with settings #
#    suitable for the RPM package.                           #
MAILMAN_UID = pwd.getpwnam('mailman')[2]
MAILMAN_GID = grp.getgrnam('mailman')[2]
LOG_DIR     = '/var/log/mailman'
QUEUE_DIR   = '/var/spool/mailman/qfiles'

##############################################################
# Put YOUR site-specific configuration below, in mm_cfg.py . #
# See Defaults.py for explanations of the values.	     #

DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = '<MYHOSTNAME>'
DEFAULT_URL       = '<MYDEFAULTURL>'
MAILMAN_OWNER     = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME

# Note - if you're looking for something that is imported from mm_cfg,
but you # didn't find it above, it's probably in Defaults.py.

PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mhonarchive'
PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mhonarchive'
PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/usr/bin/mhonarc -add -outdir
/var/mhonarc/archives/%(listname)s'
PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/usr/bin/mhonarc -add -outdir
/var/mhonarc/archives/%(listname)s'
#PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX,
'/var/mhonarc/archives/', 'private')



Hi,

 Did you added in your httpd.conf the alias for /mhonarchive ?

---snip 
Alias /mhonarchive/ "/var/mhonarc/archives/"
<Directory "/var/mhonarc/archives">
    AllowOverride ALL   ---I am not sure about this option
</Directory>


Greetings,



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Nov 11 16:57:36 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 11 Nov 2002 10:57:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <1036975459.1539.25.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <55794.68.99.105.141.1036946029.squirrel@norvanet.com> 
	<20021110163922.GB13901@kocurek.eu.org> 
	<1036947639.11758.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> 
	<1036950490.1597.31.camel@silverstar> 
	<1036952244.11758.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> 
	<1036971781.1635.14.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> 
	<1036975459.1539.25.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1037030256.5378.53.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 19:44, Johnathon B. Allread - East Coast Computers
wrote:

> > FAQ entry 3.14 section 2
> 
> Which web site is this from?  I am looking at: 
> 
> http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/faq.html  
> 
> not sure what you are referring to.  I see a couple of website
> pertaining to mailman.  What is the offical website?

Look at the bottom of every email that comes from the list:
  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

> 
> > 
> > BTW: the FAQ is open source.  Feel free to adjust it so others who
> > follow will have an easier time...
> 
> Sounds great, I will.  However, I believe the developers should edit the
> new list script to tell the user to edit the aliases file so this list
> won't have so many posts about the same problem.  Since most new users
> to a mailing list such as myself, don't know how Mailman interacts with
> the MTA.  Now that I know, I will educate the other members of my Unix
> user group.  

RTFM... use: newlist -o /etc/aliases

Or substitute the "newlist" command with your own script:
  #! /bin/bash
  # newlst: script to run Mailman's "newlist" command
  # but automatically put the output into my aliases
  # file and then run newaliases
  # For this script to runs "newaliases" you must execute
  # it as root (or give mailman sudo access to newalaises)
  ~mailman/bin/newlist -o /etc/aliases $1 $2 $3
  newaliases

===
Here is the help information for the "newlist" command:
~mailman/bin/newlist -h

Create a new, unpopulated mailing list.

Usage: newlist [options] listname listadmin-addr admin-password

Options:

    -q
    --quiet
        Normally the administrator is notified by email (after a prompt)
that
        their list has been created.  This option suppresses that
        notification and the prompting.

    -o file
    --output=file
        Append the alias setting recommendations to file, in addition to
        printing them to standard output.

    -h/--help
        Print this help text and exit.

You can specify as many of the arguments as you want on the command
line: you will be prompted for the missing ones.

Note that listnames are forced to lowercase.
===
> 
> Thanks for the insight.
> 
> Johnathon B. Allread
> East Coast Computers
> http://www.eastcoast-pc.com
>  
> 
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Nov 11 17:07:57 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 11 Nov 2002 11:07:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail: Cannot mail directly to programs
In-Reply-To: <20021111105845.9816@smtp.ntlworld.com>
References: <20021111105845.9816@smtp.ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <1037030878.5374.63.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

What OS are running on?  If Linux, what distribution and version number?

If Red Hat then you are using smrsh and you need to setup wrapper so
that it is defined/allowed by smrsh:
  su root
  cd /etc/smrsh
  ln -s ~mailman/mail/wrapper wrapper

done!

Also, check out the Mailman FAQ, entry 3.14:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp

I've tried to compile in one spot all the various problems/solutions for
Mail not going out to the list - at least the solutions that have come
across the list in the past two months.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes
===
On Mon, 2002-11-11 at 05:58, David Gordon wrote:
> I've now got the Mailman web interface up and working for my first list.
> However sending a message to test-request at mydomain1.tld (to get help)
> results in the following mail error
> 
> >Recipient "test-request at mydomain1.tld refused
> >on "smtp.mydomain1.tld"
> >5.7.1 <test-request at mydomain1.tld> ... Cannot
> >mail directly to programs
> 
> According to the Sendmail FAQs at <http://www.sendmail.org/faq/section3.html>
> 
> Q3.11 -- Why can't my users forward their mail to a program?
> 
> " If you are willing to let users run programs from their .forward file
> even though they cannot telnet or rsh in (as might be reasonable if you
> run smrsh to control the list of programs they can run) then add the line:
> 
> /SENDMAIL/ANY/SHELL/
> 
> to /etc/shells. "
> 
> Er, can I/should I do that then? Or is there another/better/safer/correct
> way to do this?
> 
> Thanks again!
> 
> DG
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Nov 11 17:15:42 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 11 Nov 2002 11:15:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM and mhonarc problems...
In-Reply-To: <000001c28990$2fe44460$f7c888c1@ci.uc.pt>
References: <000001c28990$2fe44460$f7c888c1@ci.uc.pt>
Message-ID: <1037031342.5378.69.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

I haven't looked at the Source code for it, but it appears to be telling
you that Mailman is running the external Archiver (which you've setup as
Mhonarc).  The call to run the external Archiver returns a non-zero
code, meaning that there was an error in running the external archive.

Look at the command you have setup for the external archive. Su as
"mailman" and run that exact command.  See what output you get.  

Does the successful completion of the command depend on any environment
variables being set?  If so, you may wish to run the command via a
script/subshell which sets the environment properly before invoking
Mhonarch.

Hope this helps - Jon Carnes
======
On Mon, 2002-11-11 at 09:39, Jo?o S? Marta wrote:
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-bounces+samarta=ci.uc.pt at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+samarta=ci.uc.pt at python.org] On Behalf Of
> Bryce Tate
> Sent: 08 November 2002 19:28
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM and mhonarc problems...
> 
> 
> I am testing mailman for use at my university, and we want to be able to
> support different MIME types in the archives.  I've installed Mhonarc
> and I followed the directions of a very helpful list member from an
> earlier post to the group.  When I manually run:
> 
> mhonarc -mbox
> $prefix/archives/private/yourmaillist.mbox/yourmaillist.mbox
> -outdir /var/mhonarc/archives/yourmaillist -rcfile
> /var/mhonarc/archives/yourmaillist/main.mrc
> 
> All of the messages (if I have any) move over just fine, but new
> messages are archived automatically...I have this in the
> /var/log/mailman/error
> file:
> 
> Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884): Traceback (most recent call last):
> Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884):   File
> "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 213, in ArchiveMail
> Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884):    
> self.ExternalArchive(mm_cfg.PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, txt)
> Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884):   File
> "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 174, in
> ExternalArchive
> Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884):     syslog('error', 'external
> archiver
> non-zero exit status: %d\n' %
> Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884): TypeError: unsupported operand
> type(s) for >>: 'str' and 'int' Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 (1884) CORRUPT
> ARCHIVE FOR LIST: testlist
> 
> I even created an empty test list (as seen above) and it didn't have any
> messages in it.  When I sent my first message to the list, the above is
> also what the /var/log/mailman/error file reported.
> 
> Does anyone know what could be wrong?  I'm hoping that i'm not the only
> one on this list who has had this problem before.  Below is my mm_cfg.py
> file.  I also have appropriate aliases set in httpd.conf
> 
> And other than this Mhonarc issue (and pipermails lack of MIME support)
> I've been very pleased with Mailman (and related programs), and my
> recommendation will be that we use it.
> 
> Thanks for any feedback!
> 
> Bryce
> 
> #######################################################
> #    Here's where we get the distributed defaults.    #
> 
> from Defaults import *
> import pwd, grp
> 
> ##############################################################
> #    Here's where we override shipped defaults with settings #
> #    suitable for the RPM package.                           #
> MAILMAN_UID = pwd.getpwnam('mailman')[2]
> MAILMAN_GID = grp.getgrnam('mailman')[2]
> LOG_DIR     = '/var/log/mailman'
> QUEUE_DIR   = '/var/spool/mailman/qfiles'
> 
> ##############################################################
> # Put YOUR site-specific configuration below, in mm_cfg.py . #
> # See Defaults.py for explanations of the values.	     #
> 
> DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = '<MYHOSTNAME>'
> DEFAULT_URL       = '<MYDEFAULTURL>'
> MAILMAN_OWNER     = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME
> 
> # Note - if you're looking for something that is imported from mm_cfg,
> but you # didn't find it above, it's probably in Defaults.py.
> 
> PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mhonarchive'
> PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mhonarchive'
> PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/usr/bin/mhonarc -add -outdir
> /var/mhonarc/archives/%(listname)s'
> PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/usr/bin/mhonarc -add -outdir
> /var/mhonarc/archives/%(listname)s'
> #PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX,
> '/var/mhonarc/archives/', 'private')
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
>  Did you added in your httpd.conf the alias for /mhonarchive ?
> 
> ---snip 
> Alias /mhonarchive/ "/var/mhonarc/archives/"
> <Directory "/var/mhonarc/archives">
>     AllowOverride ALL   ---I am not sure about this option
> </Directory>
> 
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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> 
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From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Nov 11 17:47:17 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:47:17 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM and mhonarc problems...
In-Reply-To: <1326.168.28.177.68.1036783680.squirrel@mail.spsu.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021111161157.0348ab20@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 19:28 08/11/2002, Bryce Tate wrote:
>I am testing mailman for use at my university, and we want to be able to
>support different MIME types in the archives.  I've installed Mhonarc and
>I followed the directions of a very helpful list member from an earlier
>post to the group.  When I manually run:
>
>mhonarc -mbox $prefix/archives/private/yourmaillist.mbox/yourmaillist.mbox
>-outdir /var/mhonarc/archives/yourmaillist -rcfile
>/var/mhonarc/archives/yourmaillist/main.mrc
>
>All of the messages (if I have any) move over just fine, but new messages
>are archived automatically...I have this in the /var/log/mailman/error
>file:
>
>Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884): Traceback (most recent call last):
>Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884):   File
>"/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 213, in ArchiveMail
>Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884):
>self.ExternalArchive(mm_cfg.PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, txt)
>Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884):   File
>"/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 174, in ExternalArchive
>Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884):     syslog('error', 'external archiver
>non-zero exit status: %d\n' %
>Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 qrunner(1884): TypeError: unsupported operand type(s)
>for >>: 'str' and 'int'
>Nov 08 14:19:02 2002 (1884) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: testlist

This is a strange error.

The traceback says Mailman's qrunner was trying to execute the command line 
you defined via the PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER config variable with the 
listname concerned plugged in to it.

Mailman does this using the Python os.popen function which provides a 
writable pipe through which the qrunner feeds the text of the email 
concerned to (hopefully) Mhonarc's process STDIN.

It looks as though Mailman has checked the exit status of the command 
returned via the close function on the file type object returned by popen, 
and found it to be non-zero.

However, when trying to output this exit status to the logfile it has 
failed because the exit status was not an integer but a string. UNIX 
command exit status is supposed to be a 16 bit integer.

The question is why the exit status is a string not an integer. I cannot 
reproduce this despite feeding absolute nonsense commands of various types 
to os.popen using either the Python 2.2.1 or 1.5.2 I have readily available.

It looks, from information in the traceback, as though you are running MM 
2.0.x and not running Python 1.5.2 but a later version.

To get any further, some information about what OS and version and which 
versions of Mailman and Python you are using may be useful.

It may be that this is a Python bug rather than a Mailman specific problem.

>I even created an empty test list (as seen above) and it didn't have any
>messages in it.  When I sent my first message to the list, the above is
>also what the /var/log/mailman/error file reported.
>
>Does anyone know what could be wrong?  I'm hoping that i'm not the only
>one on this list who has had this problem before.  Below is my mm_cfg.py
>file.  I also have appropriate aliases set in httpd.conf
>
>And other than this Mhonarc issue (and pipermails lack of MIME support)
>I've been very pleased with Mailman (and related programs), and my
>recommendation will be that we use it.
>
>Thanks for any feedback!
>
>Bryce
>
>#######################################################
>#    Here's where we get the distributed defaults.    #
>
>from Defaults import *
>import pwd, grp
>
>##############################################################
>#    Here's where we override shipped defaults with settings #
>#    suitable for the RPM package.                           #
>MAILMAN_UID = pwd.getpwnam('mailman')[2]
>MAILMAN_GID = grp.getgrnam('mailman')[2]
>LOG_DIR     = '/var/log/mailman'
>QUEUE_DIR   = '/var/spool/mailman/qfiles'
>
>##############################################################
># Put YOUR site-specific configuration below, in mm_cfg.py . #
># See Defaults.py for explanations of the values.            #
>
>DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = '<MYHOSTNAME>'
>DEFAULT_URL       = '<MYDEFAULTURL>'
>MAILMAN_OWNER     = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME
>
># Note - if you're looking for something that is imported from mm_cfg, but
>you
># didn't find it above, it's probably in Defaults.py.
>
>PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mhonarchive'
>PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mhonarchive'
>PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/usr/bin/mhonarc -add -outdir
>/var/mhonarc/archives/%(listname)s'
>PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/usr/bin/mhonarc -add -outdir
>/var/mhonarc/archives/%(listname)s'
>#PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX,
>'/var/mhonarc/archives/', 'private')
>
>
>
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From btate2 at spsu.edu  Mon Nov 11 18:04:41 2002
From: btate2 at spsu.edu (Bryce Tate)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:04:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM and mhonarc problems...
In-Reply-To: <000001c28990$2fe44460$f7c888c1@ci.uc.pt>
References: <1326.168.28.177.68.1036783680.squirrel@mail.spsu.edu>
        <000001c28990$2fe44460$f7c888c1@ci.uc.pt>
Message-ID: <1436.168.28.177.68.1037034281.squirrel@mail.spsu.edu>

<SNIP>
> Hi,
>
>  Did you added in your httpd.conf the alias for /mhonarchive ?
>
> ---snip
> Alias /mhonarchive/ "/var/mhonarc/archives/"
> <Directory "/var/mhonarc/archives">
>     AllowOverride ALL   ---I am not sure about this option
> </Directory>
>
>
> Greetings,

Yes, I did.

Thanks,

Bryce




From btate2 at spsu.edu  Mon Nov 11 18:12:39 2002
From: btate2 at spsu.edu (Bryce Tate)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:12:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM and mhonarc problems...
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20021111161157.0348ab20@pop.ftel.co.uk>
References: <1326.168.28.177.68.1036783680.squirrel@mail.spsu.edu>
        <5.1.1.6.0.20021111161157.0348ab20@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1451.168.28.177.68.1037034759.squirrel@mail.spsu.edu>

Response below:

<SNIP>
> This is a strange error.
>
> The traceback says Mailman's qrunner was trying to execute the command
> line  you defined via the PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER config variable with
> the  listname concerned plugged in to it.
>
> Mailman does this using the Python os.popen function which provides a
> writable pipe through which the qrunner feeds the text of the email
> concerned to (hopefully) Mhonarc's process STDIN.
>
> It looks as though Mailman has checked the exit status of the command
> returned via the close function on the file type object returned by
> popen,  and found it to be non-zero.
>
> However, when trying to output this exit status to the logfile it has
> failed because the exit status was not an integer but a string. UNIX
> command exit status is supposed to be a 16 bit integer.
>
> The question is why the exit status is a string not an integer. I cannot
>  reproduce this despite feeding absolute nonsense commands of various
> types  to os.popen using either the Python 2.2.1 or 1.5.2 I have readily
> available.

Strange indeed.

> It looks, from information in the traceback, as though you are running
> MM  2.0.x and not running Python 1.5.2 but a later version.
>
> To get any further, some information about what OS and version and which
>  versions of Mailman and Python you are using may be useful.

I am running redhat 8.0 + updates, kernel 2.4.18-14, and python 2.2.1, 
Mailman 2.0.13, and mhonarc 2.5.13.  Let me know if there is any other
information which might be helpful.  Thank you for taking the time to help
me out,

Bryce





From jsingh at fdu.edu  Mon Nov 11 18:33:18 2002
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:33:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper Does Not Send Mail
Message-ID: <002501c289a8$6cb04e80$9a0bee84@FDUJACK>

Hi Guys 
The wrapper is not sending mail to the users right away. I get digested
messages, even though my settings say otherwise.
There is no error in the maillog, it says message sent.
But if I look at logs from mailman it's a different story
--Post Log
Nov 11 12:28:02 2002 (30098) post to test_list from
jaskaran at dragon.fdu.edu, size=168, failure=127
Nov 11 12:28:02 2002 (30098) post to test_list from
jaskaran at dragon.fdu.edu, size=168, success
Nov 11 12:28:02 2002 (30098) post to test_list from
jaskaran at dragon.fdu.edu, size=168, failure=127
Nov 11 12:28:02 2002 (30098) post to test_list from
jaskaran at dragon.fdu.edu, size=168, success
 
Error Log has data for News nothing about the mail           
Nov 11 12:25:01 2002 gate_news(8699):   File
"/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 75, in open_newsgroup
Nov 11 12:25:01 2002 gate_news(8699):
password=mm_cfg.NNTP_PASSWORD)
Nov 11 12:25:01 2002 gate_news(8699):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 111, in __init__
Nov 11 12:25:01 2002 gate_news(8699):      self.sock.connect((self.host,
self.port))
 
Can anyone give any suggestions
 
Jaskaran Singh
University Systems & Security
Fairleigh Dickinson University
Teaneck, NJ 07666
 
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From btate2 at spsu.edu  Mon Nov 11 18:45:53 2002
From: btate2 at spsu.edu (Bryce Tate)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:45:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM and mhonarc problems...Fixed!
In-Reply-To: <1451.168.28.177.68.1037034759.squirrel@mail.spsu.edu>
References: <1326.168.28.177.68.1036783680.squirrel@mail.spsu.edu>
        <5.1.1.6.0.20021111161157.0348ab20@pop.ftel.co.uk>
        <1451.168.28.177.68.1037034759.squirrel@mail.spsu.edu>
Message-ID: <1535.168.28.177.68.1037036753.squirrel@mail.spsu.edu>

To everyone that answered my question, thank you very much!  By trying
some of the suggestions I spotted a simple mistake, that was most likely
the problem.

When I initially ran mhonarc on both lists i created, to convert existing
archives, I did so as root, and I chmod the directories so mailman had
access, but I forgot to make it recursive, so mailman/mhonarc couldn't
open/write the files for the archives.  Once I changed the permissions, it
worked fine, no errors in the logs at all.  I'm sorry for wasting your
time on a simple error I made, but you all were very helpful!

I do wonder though if there is still a problem with python, since it
wasn't handled correctly (at least what I think should be correctly) as
Richard pointed out.

>However, when trying to output this exit status to the logfile it has
>failed because the exit status was not an integer but a string. UNIX
>command exit status is supposed to be a 16 bit integer.

Again thanks to all the helped me out!

Bryce




From mailmanuser at socratespress.com  Mon Nov 11 18:48:06 2002
From: mailmanuser at socratespress.com (Chris McEwen)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:48:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Ensim Webppliance
Message-ID: <0cfa01c289aa$cc4c6700$0401a8c0@a>

Has anyone installed Mailman on an Ensim Webppliance? I'd love a How-To.

-- Chris



From mailmanuser at socratespress.com  Mon Nov 11 18:50:17 2002
From: mailmanuser at socratespress.com (Chris McEwen)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:50:17 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Ensim Webppliance
Message-ID: <0cfb01c289aa$cc8662c0$0401a8c0@a>

Has anyone installed Mailman on an Ensim Webppliance? I'd love a How-To.

-- Chris


From dln at rogers.com  Mon Nov 11 19:04:13 2002
From: dln at rogers.com (Deborah Ng)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:04:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting address priorities
Message-ID: <3DCFF11D.60605@rogers.com>

Does anyone know if I can set address priorities in mailman, i.e. can 
certain addresses be set so that they always enter the mail queue first?

Thanks all.

Deborah



From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Nov 11 19:18:07 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:18:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting address priorities 
In-Reply-To: Message from Deborah Ng <dln@rogers.com> 
   of "Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:04:13 EST." <3DCFF11D.60605@rogers.com> 
References: <3DCFF11D.60605@rogers.com> 
Message-ID: <9277.1037038687@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:04:13 -0500 
Deborah Ng <dln at rogers.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know if I can set address priorities in mailman, i.e. can
> certain addresses be set so that they always enter the mail queue
> first?

Currently, no.

Additionally, any hinting that Mailman might provide here would be
ignored and overridden by your MTA's queue handling algorithms.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From den at altern.org  Mon Nov 11 21:11:03 2002
From: den at altern.org (Denis)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:11:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message with id #61 was lost
Message-ID: <MEEBLBLBECJFBEIDIEHCAELJEJAA.den@altern.org>

Hi,

I have made an error on permissions of files. Now, i have this error in my
request page and i want to remove these messages in the DB...

What can i do ?

Thanks
Denis


Message with id #61 was lost.

Message with id #62 was lost.



From davidgordon at ntlworld.com  Mon Nov 11 21:52:04 2002
From: davidgordon at ntlworld.com (David Gordon)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:52:04 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML & Digests
Message-ID: <20021111205204.14484@smtp.ntlworld.com>


Got my first list set up and running. Thanks to all here who helped!

Now...

Can I make HTML mail appear as plain text? Or can I auto bounce HTML
mails? HTML seems to make a big mess when it appears on archive. Anything
I can do about that?

I'd also like to be able to prevent any attachments from being posted.

Ta

DG 




From volcheck at acm.org  Tue Nov 12 00:26:28 2002
From: volcheck at acm.org (Emil Volcheck)
Date: 11 Nov 2002 23:26:28 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation difficulties
Message-ID: <1037057189.1141.194.camel@rosie.arsmagna.com>

Hello, Mailman Users,

I'm working with my website administrator to resolve some difficulties
with our Mailman installation.  We're using RH Linux with Postfix MTA.
The installation passes the check scripts for permissions and database
consistency.  The web pages display fine.  But we can't send any mail
to any list.

Question: do the aliases for individual lists as well as the
"mailman" and "mailman-owner" have to be in /etc/aliases or
/etc/aliases.db or does it suffice to put them in the MySQL (?) 
databases used by Postfix?

The problem I'm encountering is that a posting to the list results
in error code 1:

---
...Command died with status 1:
    "/home/mailman/scripts/post concerns"
---
(The name of the list is "concerns".)

Also, I'm seeing the following error from qrunner in the
error log repeatedly:

---
Nov 11 09:23:01 2002 qrunner(15283): Traceback (innermost last):
Nov 11 09:23:01 2002 qrunner(15283):   File
"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
Nov 11 09:23:01 2002 qrunner(15283):      kids = main(lock)
Nov 11 09:23:01 2002 qrunner(15283):   File
"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main
Nov 11 09:23:01 2002 qrunner(15283):      keepqueued =
dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Nov 11 09:23:01 2002 qrunner(15283):   File
"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 157, in dispose_message
Nov 11 09:23:01 2002 qrunner(15283):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
Nov 11 09:23:01 2002 qrunner(15283):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 123, in
ParseMailCommands
Nov 11 09:23:01 2002 qrunner(15283):      precedence =
msg.get('precedence', '').lower()
Nov 11 09:23:01 2002 qrunner(15283): AttributeError :  'string' object
has no attribute 'lower' 
---

I'd appreciate any pointers or suggestions.

Thanks in advance,

--Emil

Emil Volcheck
volcheck at acm.org





From rhorer at swbell.net  Tue Nov 12 01:00:59 2002
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:00:59 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation difficulties
In-Reply-To: <1037057189.1141.194.camel@rosie.arsmagna.com>
References: <1037057189.1141.194.camel@rosie.arsmagna.com>
Message-ID: <200211111800.59820.rhorer@swbell.net>

On Monday 11 November 2002 17:26, Emil Volcheck wrote:
> Question: do the aliases for individual lists as well as the
> "mailman" and "mailman-owner" have to be in /etc/aliases or
> /etc/aliases.db or does it suffice to put them in the MySQL (?)
> databases used by Postfix?

The standard location for the aliases file in Postfix as delivered by 
Red Hat is /etc/postfix/aliases[.db].  If you (either knowingly or 
unknowingly) also installed Sendmail then you will have an /etc/aliases 
as well, but don't be fooled.  Postfix does not use MySQL out of the 
box -- you would have to configure it to do so.

> The problem I'm encountering is that a posting to the list results
> in error code 1:
>
> ---
> ...Command died with status 1:
>     "/home/mailman/scripts/post concerns"
> ---

I assume you've checked to see that /home/mailman/scripts/post exists?  
You don't mention which version of Red Hat you're using, but the 
Mailman RPM that comes with the 7.x series puts everything in 
/var/mailman.  Make sure your alias shouldn't be 
/var/mailman/scripts/post concerns.

> Nov 11 09:23:01 2002 qrunner(15283):      precedence =
> msg.get('precedence', '').lower()
> Nov 11 09:23:01 2002 qrunner(15283): AttributeError :  'string'
> object has no attribute 'lower'

I've seen this error before but I don't remember how I fixed it.  Make 
sure everything is up to current versions (Mailman and Python in 
particular).  You might have better results getting the source code for 
the current Mailman (2.0.13 IIRC) and compiling it yourself instead of 
using Red Hat's RPM.  I had a lot of trouble with Mailman on Red Hat 
7.2 and 7.3 until I compiled it from source, and it's been running 
absolutely trouble-free since.

Kyle
-- 
Since the general civilizations of mankind, I believe there are more
instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual
and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden
usurpations.
                                                  -James Madison




From adrianjames.lester at soton.uni.ntl.com  Tue Nov 12 10:42:42 2002
From: adrianjames.lester at soton.uni.ntl.com (Adrian Lester)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:42:42 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List mail vanishing
Message-ID: <200211120942.42651.adrianjames.lester@soton.uni.ntl.com>

I appear to have a problem. All e-mail to all mailman lists on my server is 
vanishing. The web interface is still there, the /usr/local/mailman 
directories look fine to me, subscription and unsubscription notices (for 
(un)subscriptions performed through the web interface) get through OK.

E-mail to the list, however, simply disappears. It neither goes out to 
subscribers nor appears in the archives. I presume that the mailman command 
is accepting the e-mail OK because postfix sends no error messages to the 
postmaster.

This started apparrently randomly at some stage yesterday.

If anyone can give advice I would be much obliged.

Many thanks in advance,

Adrian.



From tuncg at teklan.com.tr  Tue Nov 12 12:21:54 2002
From: tuncg at teklan.com.tr (Tunc Gunergun)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:21:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What is the Option to set the list readonly?
Message-ID: <003101c28a3d$b5050b40$3830aed4@honda>

Hi,


I created a list with members and i want to deny subscribers posts. Only
admins will allowed to post messeages. How can i do that ? Whereis the
option in the web interface ?

Best Regards
Tunc GUNERGUN




From davidgordon at ntlworld.com  Tue Nov 12 14:20:35 2002
From: davidgordon at ntlworld.com (David Gordon)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:20:35 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing & using stripmime.pl (anti HTML)
Message-ID: <20021112132035.12794@smtp.ntlworld.com>

I have now read the FAQs regarding stripping HTML from my list's messages.

<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.013.htp>

I think Alex Wetmore's looks the simplest from my point of view.

<http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html>

Is anyone using this on their list? Is it okay?

I tried following Alex's instructions but messages then stopped being
mailed out. I think my lack of Unix understanding is letting me down. (I
don't know for sure that Perl is running on my remote server for example.
It's installed, how do I check it's running?)

Thanks

DG





From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Nov 12 14:42:48 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:42:48 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation difficulties
In-Reply-To: <1037057189.1141.194.camel@rosie.arsmagna.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021112133450.03617d90@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 23:26 11/11/2002, Emil Volcheck wrote:
>Hello, Mailman Users,
>
>I'm working with my website administrator to resolve some difficulties
>with our Mailman installation.  We're using RH Linux with Postfix MTA.
>The installation passes the check scripts for permissions and database
>consistency.  The web pages display fine.  But we can't send any mail
>to any list.
>
>Question: do the aliases for individual lists as well as the
>"mailman" and "mailman-owner" have to be in /etc/aliases or
>/etc/aliases.db or does it suffice to put them in the MySQL (?)
>databases used by Postfix?
>
>The problem I'm encountering is that a posting to the list results
>in error code 1:
>
>---
>...Command died with status 1:
>     "/home/mailman/scripts/post concerns"
>---
>(The name of the list is "concerns".)
>
>Also, I'm seeing the following error from qrunner in the
>error log repeatedly:
>
>---
>Nov 11 09:23:01 2002 qrunner(15283): Traceback (innermost last):
>Nov 11 09:23:01 2002 qrunner(15283):   File
>"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
>Nov 11 09:23:01 2002 qrunner(15283):      kids = main(lock)
>Nov 11 09:23:01 2002 qrunner(15283):   File
>"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main
>Nov 11 09:23:01 2002 qrunner(15283):      keepqueued =
>dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>Nov 11 09:23:01 2002 qrunner(15283):   File
>"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 157, in dispose_message
>Nov 11 09:23:01 2002 qrunner(15283):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
>Nov 11 09:23:01 2002 qrunner(15283):   File
>"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 123, in
>ParseMailCommands
>Nov 11 09:23:01 2002 qrunner(15283):      precedence =
>msg.get('precedence', '').lower()
>Nov 11 09:23:01 2002 qrunner(15283): AttributeError :  'string' object
>has no attribute 'lower'
>---

You do not say which version of Mailman and Python you are running. This 
problem arose because some Python 2.x specific code constructs (not 
compatible with Python 1.5.2 and 1.6)  crept into some updates to MM 2.0.x.

You should be able to resolve the problem by either upgrading to MM 2.0.13 
(which removed the offending constructs) or/and upgrading to Python 2.1.3 
or 2.2.2.

You should upgrade to MM 2.0.13 even if you do not want to upgrade your Python.

>I'd appreciate any pointers or suggestions.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>--Emil
>
>Emil Volcheck
>volcheck at acm.org



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Nov 12 16:03:16 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Nov 2002 10:03:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List mail vanishing
In-Reply-To: <200211120942.42651.adrianjames.lester@soton.uni.ntl.com>
References: <200211120942.42651.adrianjames.lester@soton.uni.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <1037113397.1633.27.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Make sure your Cron is still running.  Other than that you might want to
check on your qfiles

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp

On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 04:42, Adrian Lester wrote:
> I appear to have a problem. All e-mail to all mailman lists on my server is 
> vanishing. The web interface is still there, the /usr/local/mailman 
> directories look fine to me, subscription and unsubscription notices (for 
> (un)subscriptions performed through the web interface) get through OK.
> 
> E-mail to the list, however, simply disappears. It neither goes out to 
> subscribers nor appears in the archives. I presume that the mailman command 
> is accepting the e-mail OK because postfix sends no error messages to the 
> postmaster.
> 
> This started apparrently randomly at some stage yesterday.
> 
> If anyone can give advice I would be much obliged.
> 
> Many thanks in advance,
> 
> Adrian.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From mjmatthews at att.com  Fri Nov  8 19:31:43 2002
From: mjmatthews at att.com (Matthews, Michael J (Mike), ALCNS)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:31:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman log cleanup
Message-ID: <7B3E13799105A24BA1D3D8FB08E2023102BE41D8@OCCLUST03EVS1.ugd.att.com>

admin questions

A list was mis-configured so that hundreds of messages were held for approval. I removed the messages on disk but admin web page still sees them with no message found. How do I get rid of these references?


thanks

--

*    Michael Matthews
*    AT&T Labs
*    mjmatthews at att.com




From pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us  Sat Nov  9 23:31:22 2002
From: pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us (peter schoch)
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 17:31:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
 Re:  Troubleshooting: no mail goes out to lists - common
	things to check
Message-ID: <sdcd4675.020@mail.sussex.edu>

Jon,  this was a great posting!  I think it would probably be good to add to the FAQ page on the mailman site.  I'd add that you might need to tweak sendmail's settings to allow some domains to forward to get this to work.

All of your 'checks' were OK for me, and yet the lists were still not working.  Then, on Friday, the lists just started sending.

One of the subscribers had forgotten to remove their auto-reply "Out of Office" message.  It replied multiple times to the subscription notices, and then the lists started and the auto-reply caused a huge number of posts!  But now the lists have kept working.

I have no errors, etc. in the logs.  I have no idea of why it just started. I didn't change anything, modify anything...  I'd feel better if I knew why, but...

Tahnks for all of the help.
Peter Schoch
              Here are some common things to check when no mail is going out from your 
              lists. 

              ====== 
              I'm going to assume Sendmail as the MTA (its still the most commonly 
              found - though postfix is gaining ground): 

              0) Check_perms. In all cases you should start by checking the 
              permissions on the files that were setup: 

              ~mailman/bin/check_perms 

              1) Cron. Make sure that the cron daemon is running 

              ps -aux |grep cron |grep -v grep 

              This will print out the process information about the cron 
              daemon. If it returns a blank line, then cron is NOT running. 

              2) Aliases. To create a mailman list you ran "newlist" and it 
              printed out four lines that you needed to copy to the 
              /etc/aliases file (or wherever your MTA goes to find its 
              aliases). Check that the aliases are in /etc/aliases: 

              grep wrapper /etc/aliases 

              Even if the aliases are there, you may still need to reset 
              the aliases hash table so that it includes this new alias 
              information: 

              newaliases 

              Here is a typical alias listing for a group called "sys": 

              ## system mailing list 
              sys: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post sys" 
              sys-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner sys" 
              sys-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd sys" 
              sys-owner: sys-admin 

              3) Smrsh. Check to see if your MTA uses smrsh. Red Hat as well 
              as a few other distributions automatically setup Sendmail to 
              use smrsh. Smrsh stops Sendmail from running a script or 
              other program that is included in an alias. Mailman uses a 
              program called "wrapper" to run all of its aliases (see the 
              alias examples above): 

              grep "smrsh" sendmal.cf 

              If this comes up blank then Sendmail does not use smrsh; 
              if not, then your server is probably running smrsh and you 
              need to make sure that smrsh is setup to allow Mailman's 
              wrapper program to run. Locate the smrsh directory and do 
              an ls -l of that directory. On Red Hat: 

              ls -l /etc/smrsh 

              and the output should be similar to: 

              wrapper -> /home/mailman/mail/wrapper 

              4) Interface. Some distributions in a noble "attempt" to limit 
              the number of open relays on the internet, default Sendmail 
              so that it listens to a limited number of interfaces. The 
              default interface that Mailman list's use is localhost 
              (127.0.0.1) - this is configurable in Mailman's mm_cfg.py 
              file. To check Sendmail's configuration file: 

              grep "Port" sendmail.cf 

              This will list out the DeamonPortOption and indicate the 
              interfaces it listens on (0.0.0.0 would mean all interfaces). 

              You can also check out which interfaces your MTA is listening 
              on by using: 

              netstat -na |grep ":25 " 

              5) Qrunner. If you are running Mailman 3.0x then qrunner is 
              run every minute via a cron job (that is why cron *must* be 
              running for Mailman to work). Try running the program by 
              hand. The exact syntax can be found in Mailman's cron jobs: 

              su mailman 
              crontab -l 

              Here is an example of running qrunner by hand: 

              su mailman 
              /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner 

              If this generates any errors then send those to the list 
              for diagnosis - or look at the last few lines of errors and 
              search the list for key words from the error messages. 

              6) Locks. A errant lock file can stop a list from processing as 
              Mailman waits for the lock to be removed. Since your list is 
              not sending, we shall assume that no lock files should be on 
              the list and that it is safe to delete any we find. 

              ls -l ~mailman/locks 

              The output will be something like: 

              qrunner.lock.moya.trilug.org.22845 

              This indicates that process # 22845 created the lock. To look 
              at this process and see what it is (if it still exists): 

              ps aux |grep 22845 |grep -v grep 

              7) Logs. If you don't have any of the common problems above, 
              then you should look for errors in your log files. 

              First look for errors in your MTA log files. On Red Hat that 
              would be in /var/log/maillog. 

              Look in the log starting at the time you sent a test message. 
              You should see your initial message come in and be passed 
              onto to your Mailman list, afterwards you may see warnings 
              or errors caused by Mailman trying to send out mail to the 
              members of the list. 

              Next look in Mailman's logs. The files are in ~mailman/logs/. 
              There are several logs to look in for problems: 
              error 
              smtp-failure 
              smtp 
              vette 
              config 
              post 

              Note: if you look in the qrunner log you will see several 
              warnings about "Could not acquire qrunner lock", these are 
              actually normal and are NOT a problem. 

              Every line in the log files is dated so you should be able to 
              isolate the place in the log files to start looking, based on 
              when your problem started. 

              8) Qfiles. You may have a malformed email (or one that is simply 
              too big) clogging up the flow of mail to your lists. Mail 
              that is queued up by Mailman is stored in the directory: 
              ~mailman/qfiles 

              Move any files out of the directory and into a temporary 
              directory, then send a new test message to your list. If that 
              works, then you can move some of the old queued up files back 
              and let those process. If it stops working again then you 
              have a bad message in that batch - delete them or copy them to 
              a different temporary directory. 

              ====== 

              Please feel free to critic and expand on this. I'm hoping that it 
              proves useful as a starting point for folks having mail-flow problems. 

              -- Jon Carnes 


From mah at mhorton.net  Sun Nov 10 03:41:32 2002
From: mah at mhorton.net (Mary Ann Horton)
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 21:41:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to get around a mailman bug?
Message-ID: <3DCDC75C.227656C5@mhorton.net>

There is a message in my queue that triggers a bug, and I can't get rid of it.
It's a spam so I just want to discard or reject it, but I always get the same
error.
How can I clean it out?  Is there a known fix?

Thanks,

    Mary Ann

Bug in Mailman version 1.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this
page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks!

Traceback:


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 112, in main
    HandleRequests(doc)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 200, in HandleRequests
    list.HandleRequest(request, v, form[comment_key].value)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 122, in HandleRequest
    self.HandlePostRequest(request_data[2:], value, comment)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 167, in HandlePostRequest
    self.LogMsg("vette", note)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 835, in LogMsg
    logf.write(msg % args + '\n')
TypeError: not enough arguments for format string








From akilahm at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 10 10:30:30 2002
From: akilahm at yahoo.com (Ms. Akilah McIntyre)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:30:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing message(s) from List's Archives
Message-ID: <20021110093030.50271.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com>

How can an admin remove message(s) from a list's archive?

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From careirene at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 10 23:31:59 2002
From: careirene at yahoo.com (Carrie Cameron)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:31:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch from YahooGroups to Mailman?
Message-ID: <20021110223159.46064.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi! I am thinking about moving one or more YahooGroups lists over to
http://lists.uuyan.org/, which uses Mailman software. Can you tell me
how to do this and what features I would be gaining/losing in the
switch?

Thank you.



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From dln at rogers.com  Mon Nov 11 18:02:20 2002
From: dln at rogers.com (Deborah Ng)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:02:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Prioritzing Addresses
Message-ID: <3DCFE29C.5090800@rogers.com>

Is there a way to set send priority either by list or by recipient, i.e. 
if I have a large list of users, can I specify which addresses that 
should always be at the top of the queue?

Thanks for any assistance you can provide.

Deborah Ng



From denisonmarrs at juno.com  Mon Nov 11 19:03:14 2002
From: denisonmarrs at juno.com (Denison Marrs)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:03:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ??
Message-ID: <20021111.130314.2548.5.denisonmarrs@juno.com>

Hi, my name is Kyle Griner and I currently have a web site hosted via
Hostway.com and am trying to set up a email list through the Mailman
feature that Hostway walks you through upon selecting that option.

I must admit I am 100% confused at to how to use Mailman. I simply want
to send monthly newsletters out to my roughly 2,500 email addresses that
i've collected by having people sign up at live events/concerts.

is there a number i can call to receive specific instructions? i really
dont want an auto-reply

thank you for your time,

Kyle Griner / manager - Denison Marrs
www.denisonmarrs.com 
manager at denisonmarrs.come
863.682.8899 office / 863.670.6059 cell
928.833.3927 eFax

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From pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us  Mon Nov 11 23:31:59 2002
From: pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us (peter schoch)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:31:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: no mail out to lists
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From jsingh at fdu.edu  Tue Nov 12 17:42:37 2002
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:42:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  Re:  Troubleshooting: no mail goes out to lists
	- commonthings to check
In-Reply-To: <sdcd4675.020@mail.sussex.edu>
Message-ID: <006101c28a6a$821e3760$9a0bee84@FDUJACK>


I agree this was a great posting too. In specific I would like to ask
you guys a question about how I can get rid of the messages in qfiles.
I tried running 
Python -S qrunner 
And I got 
sh: /usr/lib/sendmail: not found
sh: /usr/lib/sendmail: not found
sh: /usr/lib/sendmail: not found
sh: /usr/lib/sendmail: not found
sh: /usr/lib/sendmail: not found
sh: /usr/lib/sendmail: not found
sh: /usr/lib/sendmail: not found
Is it alright to create a symbolic link in the usr/lib/ directory for
the sendmail binary ?
Thanks
jack

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+jsingh=fdu.edu at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jsingh=fdu.edu at python.org] On Behalf Of
peter schoch
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 5:31 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Troubleshooting: no mail goes out to lists
- commonthings to check

Jon,  this was a great posting!  I think it would probably be good to
add to the FAQ page on the mailman site.  I'd add that you might need to
tweak sendmail's settings to allow some domains to forward to get this
to work.

All of your 'checks' were OK for me, and yet the lists were still not
working.  Then, on Friday, the lists just started sending.

One of the subscribers had forgotten to remove their auto-reply "Out of
Office" message.  It replied multiple times to the subscription notices,
and then the lists started and the auto-reply caused a huge number of
posts!  But now the lists have kept working.

I have no errors, etc. in the logs.  I have no idea of why it just
started. I didn't change anything, modify anything...  I'd feel better
if I knew why, but...

Tahnks for all of the help.
Peter Schoch
              Here are some common things to check when no mail is going
out from your 
              lists. 

              ====== 
              I'm going to assume Sendmail as the MTA (its still the
most commonly 
              found - though postfix is gaining ground): 

              0) Check_perms. In all cases you should start by checking
the 
              permissions on the files that were setup: 

              ~mailman/bin/check_perms 

              1) Cron. Make sure that the cron daemon is running 

              ps -aux |grep cron |grep -v grep 

              This will print out the process information about the cron

              daemon. If it returns a blank line, then cron is NOT
running. 

              2) Aliases. To create a mailman list you ran "newlist" and
it 
              printed out four lines that you needed to copy to the 
              /etc/aliases file (or wherever your MTA goes to find its 
              aliases). Check that the aliases are in /etc/aliases: 

              grep wrapper /etc/aliases 

              Even if the aliases are there, you may still need to reset

              the aliases hash table so that it includes this new alias 
              information: 

              newaliases 

              Here is a typical alias listing for a group called "sys": 

              ## system mailing list 
              sys: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post sys" 
              sys-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner sys" 
              sys-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd sys" 
              sys-owner: sys-admin 

              3) Smrsh. Check to see if your MTA uses smrsh. Red Hat as
well 
              as a few other distributions automatically setup Sendmail
to 
              use smrsh. Smrsh stops Sendmail from running a script or 
              other program that is included in an alias. Mailman uses a

              program called "wrapper" to run all of its aliases (see
the 
              alias examples above): 

              grep "smrsh" sendmal.cf 

              If this comes up blank then Sendmail does not use smrsh; 
              if not, then your server is probably running smrsh and you

              need to make sure that smrsh is setup to allow Mailman's 
              wrapper program to run. Locate the smrsh directory and do 
              an ls -l of that directory. On Red Hat: 

              ls -l /etc/smrsh 

              and the output should be similar to: 

              wrapper -> /home/mailman/mail/wrapper 

              4) Interface. Some distributions in a noble "attempt" to
limit 
              the number of open relays on the internet, default
Sendmail 
              so that it listens to a limited number of interfaces. The 
              default interface that Mailman list's use is localhost 
              (127.0.0.1) - this is configurable in Mailman's mm_cfg.py 
              file. To check Sendmail's configuration file: 

              grep "Port" sendmail.cf 

              This will list out the DeamonPortOption and indicate the 
              interfaces it listens on (0.0.0.0 would mean all
interfaces). 

              You can also check out which interfaces your MTA is
listening 
              on by using: 

              netstat -na |grep ":25 " 

              5) Qrunner. If you are running Mailman 3.0x then qrunner
is 
              run every minute via a cron job (that is why cron *must*
be 
              running for Mailman to work). Try running the program by 
              hand. The exact syntax can be found in Mailman's cron
jobs: 

              su mailman 
              crontab -l 

              Here is an example of running qrunner by hand: 

              su mailman 
              /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner 

              If this generates any errors then send those to the list 
              for diagnosis - or look at the last few lines of errors
and 
              search the list for key words from the error messages. 

              6) Locks. A errant lock file can stop a list from
processing as 
              Mailman waits for the lock to be removed. Since your list
is 
              not sending, we shall assume that no lock files should be
on 
              the list and that it is safe to delete any we find. 

              ls -l ~mailman/locks 

              The output will be something like: 

              qrunner.lock.moya.trilug.org.22845 

              This indicates that process # 22845 created the lock. To
look 
              at this process and see what it is (if it still exists): 

              ps aux |grep 22845 |grep -v grep 

              7) Logs. If you don't have any of the common problems
above, 
              then you should look for errors in your log files. 

              First look for errors in your MTA log files. On Red Hat
that 
              would be in /var/log/maillog. 

              Look in the log starting at the time you sent a test
message. 
              You should see your initial message come in and be passed 
              onto to your Mailman list, afterwards you may see warnings

              or errors caused by Mailman trying to send out mail to the

              members of the list. 

              Next look in Mailman's logs. The files are in
~mailman/logs/. 
              There are several logs to look in for problems: 
              error 
              smtp-failure 
              smtp 
              vette 
              config 
              post 

              Note: if you look in the qrunner log you will see several 
              warnings about "Could not acquire qrunner lock", these are

              actually normal and are NOT a problem. 

              Every line in the log files is dated so you should be able
to 
              isolate the place in the log files to start looking, based
on 
              when your problem started. 

              8) Qfiles. You may have a malformed email (or one that is
simply 
              too big) clogging up the flow of mail to your lists. Mail 
              that is queued up by Mailman is stored in the directory: 
              ~mailman/qfiles 

              Move any files out of the directory and into a temporary 
              directory, then send a new test message to your list. If
that 
              works, then you can move some of the old queued up files
back 
              and let those process. If it stops working again then you 
              have a bad message in that batch - delete them or copy
them to 
              a different temporary directory. 

              ====== 

              Please feel free to critic and expand on this. I'm hoping
that it 
              proves useful as a starting point for folks having
mail-flow problems. 

              -- Jon Carnes 

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From danny at terweij.nl  Tue Nov 12 18:00:58 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:00:58 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch from YahooGroups to Mailman?
References: <20021110223159.46064.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <025f01c28a6d$12cf2970$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carrie Cameron" <careirene at yahoo.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Cc: <dduane at duane.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:31 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switch from YahooGroups to Mailman?


> Hi! I am thinking about moving one or more YahooGroups lists over to
> http://lists.uuyan.org/, which uses Mailman software. Can you tell me
> how to do this and what features I would be gaining/losing in the
> switch?

No polls, no upload storage, no mime/html achrives and more.
What you got?  set up a test list there and see what you have and what not.

Danny.
  





From woods at ucar.edu  Tue Nov 12 18:12:16 2002
From: woods at ucar.edu (Greg Woods)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:12:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] logging mysteriously stopped
Message-ID: <200211121712.gACHCGC14954@mailman.ucar.edu>

I have been running mailman for about 8 months now. I run the
standard Red Hat 7.2 RPM version (2.0.13-1) if that matters.

Everything seems to be working well, except for one thing: on June 20,
the logging mysteriously stopped. All the files in /var/mailman/logs have
not been written to since then. I have run the check_perms -f script,
but it didn't help (the log files were OK anyway), I'm still not getting
any log entries from the mailman system. Aside from no logging, everything
else seems to be working.

Does anyone have any idea where I might look to see what is causing
this problem?

Thanks,
--Greg


From john at io.com  Tue Nov 12 18:32:47 2002
From: john at io.com (John Buttery)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:32:47 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Carriage Return in Archives
In-Reply-To: <26247.1036957498@kanga.nu>
References: <8b.207c14fa.2aff3acf@aol.com> <26247.1036957498@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <20021112173247.GA23410@io.com>

* J C Lawrence <claw at kanga.nu> [2002-11-10 11:44:58 -0800]:
> For me formatting is often significant, and almost as often a critical
> part of content.  Sometimes in now just what was said, but how it was
> said.

  I hate posting "I agree" messages, but since this may turn into some
kind of pseudo-vote, here we go.   It's the same concept as the header
rewriting...the message should be presented the way the sender intended
it.  Having the MLM mangle it to account for random MUAs' errant
behaviour is not the fix, the fix is to unbreak the MUA and/or its user.

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Nov 12 19:12:39 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Nov 2002 13:12:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to get around a mailman bug?
In-Reply-To: <3DCDC75C.227656C5@mhorton.net>
References: <3DCDC75C.227656C5@mhorton.net>
Message-ID: <1037124759.5830.1.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

What version of Mailman are you using?  Is it really 1.1?  Wow!
You really need to upgrade.

On Sat, 2002-11-09 at 21:41, Mary Ann Horton wrote:
> There is a message in my queue that triggers a bug, and I can't get rid of it.
> It's a spam so I just want to discard or reject it, but I always get the same
> error.
> How can I clean it out?  Is there a known fix?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>     Mary Ann
> 
> Bug in Mailman version 1.1
> 
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> 
> If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this
> page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks!
> 
> Traceback:
> 
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 112, in main
>     HandleRequests(doc)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 200, in HandleRequests
>     list.HandleRequest(request, v, form[comment_key].value)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 122, in HandleRequest
>     self.HandlePostRequest(request_data[2:], value, comment)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 167, in HandlePostRequest
>     self.LogMsg("vette", note)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 835, in LogMsg
>     logf.write(msg % args + '\n')
> TypeError: not enough arguments for format string
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Nov 12 19:17:40 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Nov 2002 13:17:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing message(s) from List's Archives
In-Reply-To: <20021110093030.50271.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20021110093030.50271.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1037125060.5830.7.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

You have to edit the mbox file in the archives/private/<listname.mbox>
directory, then delete the old html based archive files and regenerate
the archives using the bin/arch utility that is included with Mailman.  

Note: you should take your list off-line while doing this so that
nothing interferes with the rebuild of the archives.
===

Alternately (or until you have time to regenerate the archives), you can
simply delete the HTML link to the archived email from the html archive
files.

BTW: I'm sure this is in the FAQ (see the bottom of any of the lists
emails for the http address for the FAQ)

Good Luck

On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 04:30, Ms. Akilah McIntyre wrote:
> How can an admin remove message(s) from a list's archive?
> 
> ************************************************************
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> 
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Nov 12 19:26:51 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Nov 2002 13:26:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  Re:  Troubleshooting: no mail goes out to
	lists - commonthings to check
In-Reply-To: <006101c28a6a$821e3760$9a0bee84@FDUJACK>
References: <006101c28a6a$821e3760$9a0bee84@FDUJACK>
Message-ID: <1037125615.5830.11.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Creating the link might help.

Is this a new install or an existing install that suddenly broke?  If
it's a new install, did you do it via rpm or source?  It's just very odd
that Mailman would attempt to run /usr/lib/sendmail and it not be
there...

Best of luck!

On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 11:42, jsingh wrote:
> 
> I agree this was a great posting too. In specific I would like to ask
> you guys a question about how I can get rid of the messages in qfiles.
> I tried running 
> Python -S qrunner 
> And I got 
> sh: /usr/lib/sendmail: not found
> sh: /usr/lib/sendmail: not found
> sh: /usr/lib/sendmail: not found
> sh: /usr/lib/sendmail: not found
> sh: /usr/lib/sendmail: not found
> sh: /usr/lib/sendmail: not found
> sh: /usr/lib/sendmail: not found
> Is it alright to create a symbolic link in the usr/lib/ directory for
> the sendmail binary ?
> Thanks
> jack
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-bounces+jsingh=fdu.edu at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jsingh=fdu.edu at python.org] On Behalf Of
> peter schoch
> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 5:31 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Troubleshooting: no mail goes out to lists
> - commonthings to check
> 
> Jon,  this was a great posting!  I think it would probably be good to
> add to the FAQ page on the mailman site.  I'd add that you might need to
> tweak sendmail's settings to allow some domains to forward to get this
> to work.
> 
> All of your 'checks' were OK for me, and yet the lists were still not
> working.  Then, on Friday, the lists just started sending.
> 
> One of the subscribers had forgotten to remove their auto-reply "Out of
> Office" message.  It replied multiple times to the subscription notices,
> and then the lists started and the auto-reply caused a huge number of
> posts!  But now the lists have kept working.
> 
> I have no errors, etc. in the logs.  I have no idea of why it just
> started. I didn't change anything, modify anything...  I'd feel better
> if I knew why, but...
> 
> Tahnks for all of the help.
> Peter Schoch
>               Here are some common things to check when no mail is going
> out from your 
>               lists. 
> 
>               ====== 
>               I'm going to assume Sendmail as the MTA (its still the
> most commonly 
>               found - though postfix is gaining ground): 
> 
>               0) Check_perms. In all cases you should start by checking
> the 
>               permissions on the files that were setup: 
> 
>               ~mailman/bin/check_perms 
> 
>               1) Cron. Make sure that the cron daemon is running 
> 
>               ps -aux |grep cron |grep -v grep 
> 
>               This will print out the process information about the cron
> 
>               daemon. If it returns a blank line, then cron is NOT
> running. 
> 
>               2) Aliases. To create a mailman list you ran "newlist" and
> it 
>               printed out four lines that you needed to copy to the 
>               /etc/aliases file (or wherever your MTA goes to find its 
>               aliases). Check that the aliases are in /etc/aliases: 
> 
>               grep wrapper /etc/aliases 
> 
>               Even if the aliases are there, you may still need to reset
> 
>               the aliases hash table so that it includes this new alias 
>               information: 
> 
>               newaliases 
> 
>               Here is a typical alias listing for a group called "sys": 
> 
>               ## system mailing list 
>               sys: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post sys" 
>               sys-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner sys" 
>               sys-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd sys" 
>               sys-owner: sys-admin 
> 
>               3) Smrsh. Check to see if your MTA uses smrsh. Red Hat as
> well 
>               as a few other distributions automatically setup Sendmail
> to 
>               use smrsh. Smrsh stops Sendmail from running a script or 
>               other program that is included in an alias. Mailman uses a
> 
>               program called "wrapper" to run all of its aliases (see
> the 
>               alias examples above): 
> 
>               grep "smrsh" sendmal.cf 
> 
>               If this comes up blank then Sendmail does not use smrsh; 
>               if not, then your server is probably running smrsh and you
> 
>               need to make sure that smrsh is setup to allow Mailman's 
>               wrapper program to run. Locate the smrsh directory and do 
>               an ls -l of that directory. On Red Hat: 
> 
>               ls -l /etc/smrsh 
> 
>               and the output should be similar to: 
> 
>               wrapper -> /home/mailman/mail/wrapper 
> 
>               4) Interface. Some distributions in a noble "attempt" to
> limit 
>               the number of open relays on the internet, default
> Sendmail 
>               so that it listens to a limited number of interfaces. The 
>               default interface that Mailman list's use is localhost 
>               (127.0.0.1) - this is configurable in Mailman's mm_cfg.py 
>               file. To check Sendmail's configuration file: 
> 
>               grep "Port" sendmail.cf 
> 
>               This will list out the DeamonPortOption and indicate the 
>               interfaces it listens on (0.0.0.0 would mean all
> interfaces). 
> 
>               You can also check out which interfaces your MTA is
> listening 
>               on by using: 
> 
>               netstat -na |grep ":25 " 
> 
>               5) Qrunner. If you are running Mailman 3.0x then qrunner
> is 
>               run every minute via a cron job (that is why cron *must*
> be 
>               running for Mailman to work). Try running the program by 
>               hand. The exact syntax can be found in Mailman's cron
> jobs: 
> 
>               su mailman 
>               crontab -l 
> 
>               Here is an example of running qrunner by hand: 
> 
>               su mailman 
>               /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner 
> 
>               If this generates any errors then send those to the list 
>               for diagnosis - or look at the last few lines of errors
> and 
>               search the list for key words from the error messages. 
> 
>               6) Locks. A errant lock file can stop a list from
> processing as 
>               Mailman waits for the lock to be removed. Since your list
> is 
>               not sending, we shall assume that no lock files should be
> on 
>               the list and that it is safe to delete any we find. 
> 
>               ls -l ~mailman/locks 
> 
>               The output will be something like: 
> 
>               qrunner.lock.moya.trilug.org.22845 
> 
>               This indicates that process # 22845 created the lock. To
> look 
>               at this process and see what it is (if it still exists): 
> 
>               ps aux |grep 22845 |grep -v grep 
> 
>               7) Logs. If you don't have any of the common problems
> above, 
>               then you should look for errors in your log files. 
> 
>               First look for errors in your MTA log files. On Red Hat
> that 
>               would be in /var/log/maillog. 
> 
>               Look in the log starting at the time you sent a test
> message. 
>               You should see your initial message come in and be passed 
>               onto to your Mailman list, afterwards you may see warnings
> 
>               or errors caused by Mailman trying to send out mail to the
> 
>               members of the list. 
> 
>               Next look in Mailman's logs. The files are in
> ~mailman/logs/. 
>               There are several logs to look in for problems: 
>               error 
>               smtp-failure 
>               smtp 
>               vette 
>               config 
>               post 
> 
>               Note: if you look in the qrunner log you will see several 
>               warnings about "Could not acquire qrunner lock", these are
> 
>               actually normal and are NOT a problem. 
> 
>               Every line in the log files is dated so you should be able
> to 
>               isolate the place in the log files to start looking, based
> on 
>               when your problem started. 
> 
>               8) Qfiles. You may have a malformed email (or one that is
> simply 
>               too big) clogging up the flow of mail to your lists. Mail 
>               that is queued up by Mailman is stored in the directory: 
>               ~mailman/qfiles 
> 
>               Move any files out of the directory and into a temporary 
>               directory, then send a new test message to your list. If
> that 
>               works, then you can move some of the old queued up files
> back 
>               and let those process. If it stops working again then you 
>               have a bad message in that batch - delete them or copy
> them to 
>               a different temporary directory. 
> 
>               ====== 
> 
>               Please feel free to critic and expand on this. I'm hoping
> that it 
>               proves useful as a starting point for folks having
> mail-flow problems. 
> 
>               -- Jon Carnes 
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Nov 12 19:30:57 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Nov 2002 13:30:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] logging mysteriously stopped
In-Reply-To: <200211121712.gACHCGC14954@mailman.ucar.edu>
References: <200211121712.gACHCGC14954@mailman.ucar.edu>
Message-ID: <1037125857.5830.15.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Check the volume size (amount of space available on the log volume), and
check the permissions on the log files and the log directory.

Also, it may be possible that the logs are being written elsewhere:
  locate vette

Very curious.

On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 12:12, Greg Woods wrote:
> I have been running mailman for about 8 months now. I run the
> standard Red Hat 7.2 RPM version (2.0.13-1) if that matters.
> 
> Everything seems to be working well, except for one thing: on June 20,
> the logging mysteriously stopped. All the files in /var/mailman/logs have
> not been written to since then. I have run the check_perms -f script,
> but it didn't help (the log files were OK anyway), I'm still not getting
> any log entries from the mailman system. Aside from no logging, everything
> else seems to be working.
> 
> Does anyone have any idea where I might look to see what is causing
> this problem?
> 
> Thanks,
> --Greg
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Nov 12 19:43:01 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Nov 2002 13:43:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: no mail out to lists
In-Reply-To: <sdcfe998.058@mail.sussex.edu>
References: <sdcfe998.058@mail.sussex.edu>
Message-ID: <1037126581.5830.26.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Mon, 2002-11-11 at 17:31, peter schoch wrote:
> 8.  checked all the logs and no erors.  maillog shows that the mail is sent.
>  No bounces in that log.  smtp-failure shows the users sending mail but 
>  appends (ignore) after each of them.

What do the logs and the times of the entries in your MTA show.  Is it
passing the mail into the mailman alias properly?  Check the time.
Now check the Mailman logs and when it shows the message accepted for
posting.  The time should be very close to the MTA's time.
Now back to the MTA, does it show the message going out to the folks on
the list? 

What are you using as your MTA?

> 
> Now, here's the weird part.  The lists started to spontaneously work last Friday.  A user subscribed, and had forgotten to turn off their "out-of-office" auto-reply.  So, they "spammed" the list and it started to work, but not the digest options.  This lasted until Saturday evening (the "spam" ended at 4 pm Friday when I unsubscribed them).  Then the lists stopped working again.  As a test I tried "spamming" the test list the instructions have us set up.  This time it took appoximately 100 messages before anything started, and it only lasted for a few hours.  Again, no que files and while messages came out the digest options did not work.
> 

Hmmm, that sounds suspiciously like a Digest Trigger (How big in Kb
should a digest be before it gets sent out?)

In the web admin, is the first option marked as "Yes" (Can subscribers
choose to receive mail immediately, rather than in batched digests?)


> Anybody have ideas?  I'd rather not spam the lists to get them to work.  Also, is there any way to clean out just parts of the archives to remove the "spam"?
> 
> Thanks,
> Peter Schoch
> Sussex County Community College
> ----




From kocurek at kocurek.eu.org  Tue Nov 12 19:47:00 2002
From: kocurek at kocurek.eu.org (Jacek Wojaczynski)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:47:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Different templates.
Message-ID: <20021112184700.GA6283@kocurek.eu.org>

Hi!

I have 3 lists and if I would like to send different initial
message to the list when a new member is subscribed.
Where should I put the appropirate files?

One of the lists has it's FAQ and it would be nice send it 
to users who subscribe.

So - simply - I don't always want the standard "welcome"
message. I need it completely different for one the lists.

I'm using mailman-2.0.13.
-- 
kocurek


From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Nov 12 19:57:19 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Nov 2002 13:57:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Different templates.
In-Reply-To: <20021112184700.GA6283@kocurek.eu.org>
References: <20021112184700.GA6283@kocurek.eu.org>
Message-ID: <1037127439.5830.33.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

With that version of mailman you can only customize parts of the body of
the Welcome message.  You can put your FAQ in that section.  To do so,
open the Web-admin for your list and edit the text that is included in
the Welcome message.

I also recommend that you setup a cron job to mail out your FAQ monthly
to your members:
  cat List_FAQ.txt | mail -s "FAQ - monthly reminder" list at dom.ain

Good Luck

On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 13:47, Jacek Wojaczynski wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I have 3 lists and if I would like to send different initial
> message to the list when a new member is subscribed.
> Where should I put the appropirate files?
> 
> One of the lists has it's FAQ and it would be nice send it 
> to users who subscribe.
> 
> So - simply - I don't always want the standard "welcome"
> message. I need it completely different for one the lists.
> 
> I'm using mailman-2.0.13.
> -- 
> kocurek
> 
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From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Nov 12 21:21:35 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:21:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Prioritzing Addresses 
In-Reply-To: Message from Deborah Ng <dln@rogers.com> 
   of "Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:02:20 EST." <3DCFE29C.5090800@rogers.com> 
References: <3DCFE29C.5090800@rogers.com> 
Message-ID: <1666.1037132495@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:02:20 -0500 
Deborah Ng <dln at rogers.com> wrote:

> Is there a way to set send priority either by list or by recipient,
> i.e. if I have a large list of users, can I specify which addresses
> that should always be at the top of the queue?

What problem are you trying to solve?

1) Its very unlikely that you actually want to do this.

2) Even if you did manage to, it would have close to zero effect.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
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From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Nov 12 21:24:25 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:24:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Troubleshooting: no mail goes out to lists -
	commonthings to check 
In-Reply-To: Message from "jsingh" <jsingh@fdu.edu> 
	<006101c28a6a$821e3760$9a0bee84@FDUJACK> 
References: <006101c28a6a$821e3760$9a0bee84@FDUJACK> 
Message-ID: <1786.1037132665@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:42:37 -0500 
jsingh  <jsingh at fdu.edu> wrote:

> I agree this was a great posting too. 

Then add it to the FAQ.

> Is it alright to create a symbolic link in the usr/lib/ directory for
> the sendmail binary ?  

Yes.  Caveats:

  1) You should determine why it wasn't there already.

  2) You almost certainly want to deliver via SMTPDirect versus
  Sendmail.  See Defaults.py and mm_cfg.py.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From woods at ucar.edu  Tue Nov 12 22:58:31 2002
From: woods at ucar.edu (Greg Woods)
Date: 12 Nov 2002 14:58:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] logging mysteriously stopped
In-Reply-To: <1037125857.5830.15.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <200211121712.gACHCGC14954@mailman.ucar.edu> 
	<1037125857.5830.15.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1037138311.2578.42.camel@killertop>

On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 11:30, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Check the volume size (amount of space available on the log volume), and
> check the permissions on the log files and the log directory.

I checked all those things before I came to the list.

> 
> Also, it may be possible that the logs are being written elsewhere:
>   locate vette

Bingo! The old log files were in /var/mailman/logs, but the current logs
are being kept in /var/log/mailman. I have installed new mailman RPMS to
fix security problems a couple of times, but it never occurred to me
that Red Hat would have decided to move the log location.

Thanks for the hint.

--Greg




From jlockard at umich.edu  Tue Nov 12 21:52:57 2002
From: jlockard at umich.edu (John M. Lockard)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:52:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Probably stupid questions...
Message-ID: <20021112155257.D1565@umich.edu>

I guess I tend to pay attention to the mailing list when I'm
having problems with something, but ignore the list when I'm
not.  That said, I also searched around the archives a little
and didn't see anything that really seems to be my problem.
So.....

First problem.
The docs state that mailmanctl can be used as the startup
script for mailman within the /etc/init.d structure, yet when
I copy mailmanctl to /etc/init.d/mailman and then do a
'mailman start'

and get:
[root at krusty init.d]# ./mailman start
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./mailman", line 100, in ?
    import paths
ImportError: No module named paths


Since paths.py(c) isn't in the current directory (/etc/init.d)
it doesn't find it, and since /usr/local/mailman/bin is not
likely in the python path, it doesn't find it there.  Is this
an easy fix?


Second problem.
After upgrading from Mailman 2.0.13 to 2.1b4 and using Python
2.2 (RedHat Linux 7.2), I can't seem to do anything on the web
portion of Mail man and am getting errors like:

Bug in Mailman version 2.1b4

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks!
Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1b4/scripts/driver", line 68, in run_main
    immediate=1)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1b4/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 52, in __init__
    Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1b4/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 49, in __init__
    self.__get_f()
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1b4/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 68, in __get_f
    except codecs.LookupError:
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'LookupError'




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From dmoore at aibi.org  Tue Nov 12 22:29:23 2002
From: dmoore at aibi.org (David Moore)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:29:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass subscribe and specify password
Message-ID: <EPEEKKFJBIFPGCLPINILKEHFCJAA.dmoore@aibi.org>

Need some help here... I've scanned the FAQ and havn't found a clear (to me)
answer yet -

What I am wanting to do is use the List administrator's  "Mass Subscribe
Members" under Member Management (web interface) and specify not only the
users email but the users initial password.

For example - under mass subscribe:

dmoore at aibi.org [PASSWORD]
dmoore at aibi.net [PASSWORD]
myemail at aibi.org [PASSWORD]
youremail at yourdom.ain [PASSWORD]

 etc....

where in all four cases the password for that user is "password" or whatever
text is assigned as the persons INITIAL password - if they want to change it
later that is fine but specifying the INITIAL password.

I'm trying to set up the initial list(s) (apx 300-400 users each) without
the users having to "confirm" - otherwise I can use the email interface and
subscribe them with password using the syntax:  subscribe PASSWORD
address=<EMAIL at ADDRESS>, but then each one must "confirm" their own
subscription...

Any ideas? - Again I am only a LIST/domain admin and not Mailman/server
admin ...
If I'm looking at my site specs right we are on Mailman version 2.0.13.

Thanks in advance.

David Moore
Technical Coordinator
AIBI Resources
dmoore at aibi.org


---------------------------------------------
AIBI Resources
Resources for Biblical Church Development
A Ministry of American Indian Bible Institute
HTTP://www.aibi.org/
---------------------------------------------



From kocurek at kocurek.eu.org  Tue Nov 12 22:54:55 2002
From: kocurek at kocurek.eu.org (Jacek Wojaczynski)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:54:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscribe ("mail" and "nomail" option).
Message-ID: <20021112215455.GA8985@kocurek.eu.org>

Hi!

What I need to do is mass subscribe 600 people + 100 with the
option "no mail" (those users don't want to receive mails, but
want still be able to write to this closed list).
Possible?

PS. Can I subscribe 600 people via web interface?
Are there any limits?
-- 
kocurek


From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov 13 00:20:22 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Nov 2002 18:20:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass subscribe and specify password
In-Reply-To: <EPEEKKFJBIFPGCLPINILKEHFCJAA.dmoore@aibi.org>
References: <EPEEKKFJBIFPGCLPINILKEHFCJAA.dmoore@aibi.org>
Message-ID: <1037143222.5830.49.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

This is not a standard feature of Mailman so it's not possible yet.

If you could convince the Sysadmin to load a patch to Mailman then you
could use a patched "add_user" function and do this.  You can find the
patch by searching the archives of the list.
 
On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 16:29, David Moore wrote:
> Need some help here... I've scanned the FAQ and havn't found a clear (to me)
> answer yet -
> 
> What I am wanting to do is use the List administrator's  "Mass Subscribe
> Members" under Member Management (web interface) and specify not only the
> users email but the users initial password.
> 
> For example - under mass subscribe:
> 
> dmoore at aibi.org [PASSWORD]
> dmoore at aibi.net [PASSWORD]
> myemail at aibi.org [PASSWORD]
> youremail at yourdom.ain [PASSWORD]
> 
>  etc....
> 
> where in all four cases the password for that user is "password" or whatever
> text is assigned as the persons INITIAL password - if they want to change it
> later that is fine but specifying the INITIAL password.
> 
> I'm trying to set up the initial list(s) (apx 300-400 users each) without
> the users having to "confirm" - otherwise I can use the email interface and
> subscribe them with password using the syntax:  subscribe PASSWORD
> address=<EMAIL at ADDRESS>, but then each one must "confirm" their own
> subscription...
> 
> Any ideas? - Again I am only a LIST/domain admin and not Mailman/server
> admin ...
> If I'm looking at my site specs right we are on Mailman version 2.0.13.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> David Moore
> Technical Coordinator
> AIBI Resources
> dmoore at aibi.org
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------------------
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> Resources for Biblical Church Development
> A Ministry of American Indian Bible Institute
> HTTP://www.aibi.org/
> ---------------------------------------------
> 
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From d.richards at qut.edu.au  Wed Nov 13 00:21:58 2002
From: d.richards at qut.edu.au (David Richards)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:21:58 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] shared installation / NFS / Shared storage
Message-ID: <3dd18d16.ea0c6.24633@imap.qut.edu.au>

Hi,

I have been trying to find information in the FAQ and archives about
whether Mailman can run on two independant systems over NFS or concurrently
on two cluster nodes using shared storage.

can anyone help me out and tell me if mailman can handle this and if it is
same to do so?

Thanks,

Dave.


Dave Richards
Project Manager (Messaging)
Information Technology Services
Queensland University of Technology


From jsingh at fdu.edu  Wed Nov 13 00:34:09 2002
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:34:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Troubleshooting: no mail goes out to lists -
	commonthings to check 
In-Reply-To: <3846.1037139450@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <005501c28aa4$001fd130$9a0bee84@FDUJACK>

Thanks JC -
One more question , I have a bunch of lists working fine , but there is
one here which just does not post messages. I went and looked through
maillog it is getting the post request from the sender but never
anything from mailman to send out. The qfiles directory is empty , so is
qlocks. 
Post log says it successfully posted to the list, but there is nothing
out.
Any suggestion 
PS I have gone through the 8 steps in faq. Nothing!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: J C Lawrence [mailto:claw at kanga.nu] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 5:18 PM
To: jsingh at fdu.edu
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Troubleshooting: no mail goes out to
lists - commonthings to check 

On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:26:56 -0500 
jsingh  <jsingh at fdu.edu> wrote:

> What is the advantage of delivering through SMTP rather than Sendmail

Better supported, more robust, faster.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From davin at pacifier.com  Wed Nov 13 00:41:07 2002
From: davin at pacifier.com (Davin Dahlgren)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:41:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce handling
In-Reply-To: <20021105164756.B27389@dogpound.vnet.net>
Message-ID: <12bd01c28aa4$fc0d87d0$3201a8c0@DAVIN>

I have set the administrative bounce settings, but there are still a lot
of messages that are not being dealt with. Are there any scripts written
to handle these things, or perhaps someone can be more specific with
some exact instructions on how to configure the bounce settings to do
the job?

Thanks,
Davin

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Davis [mailto:bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 1:48 PM
To: Davin Dahlgren
Cc: Mailman mailing list management users
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] bounce handling

Look at the Bounce Options in the web administrative interface.

http://HOST/mailman/admin/LISTNAME/bounce

There you can set the options your asking for.

* Davin Dahlgren (davin at pacifier.com) wrote:
> We are having some trouble with bounces. We are getting a lot of
emails
> back with "unknown user" "invalid recipient" "mailbox full" and "host
> not found." We are having to unsubscribe these addresses one by one
> manually because Mailman does not seem to be dealing with them. Isn't
it
> supposed to take action on these types of responses? If not, is there
> some automated way of handling these things?

--
Matthew Davis
http://dogpound.vnet.net/
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From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Nov 13 02:00:30 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:00:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Troubleshooting: no mail goes out to lists -
	commonthings to check 
In-Reply-To: Message from "jsingh" <jsingh@fdu.edu> 
	<005501c28aa4$001fd130$9a0bee84@FDUJACK> 
References: <005501c28aa4$001fd130$9a0bee84@FDUJACK> 
Message-ID: <6427.1037149230@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:34:09 -0500 
jsingh  <jsingh at fdu.edu> wrote:

> I have a bunch of lists working fine , but there is one here which
> just does not post messages. I went and looked through maillog it is
> getting the post request from the sender but never anything from
> mailman to send out.

Check your Mailman log files carefully.  You should be able tot rack the
messages thru Mailman up until the point of death.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From bronto at csd-bes.net  Wed Nov 13 03:03:23 2002
From: bronto at csd-bes.net (bronto)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:03:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pay per list?
Message-ID: <a05111b0fb9f761706bff@[10.1.19.62]>

I just got an interesting telephone call from the brother of a client 
of mine; he works for a large company, a name most of you would 
recognize, and is dissatisfied with the "blast" emailing services 
being provided to them by their current host.  He's asking for a 
quote from me, and I've got no idea where to start.

I usually do hosting for small businesses, and some of them want 
discussion lists, and I use them myself.  That's what I have mailman 
for.  It working so well is probably what got me this referral.

He says they send out one or two messages per week, to a list of 
between 10-15,000 subscribers.

My mail server is a beige G3 Mac running YellowDog Linux, with 
Postfix and mailman.

What say you?

TIA

Rob


From links at momsview.com  Wed Nov 13 05:37:57 2002
From: links at momsview.com (Links at Momsview)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:37:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] checkdbs error in 2.1b4
Message-ID: <035f01c28ace$7128cab0$6501a8c0@P4>

I have been testing a clean install of 2.1b4 with sucess but I have
encountered a problem I cannot solve.

I noticed the following email (sent to the list address) by the nightly cron
job:
-----------------------------------------------------
From: root at mydomain.com (Cron Daemon)
To: mailman at mydomain.com
Subject: Cron <mailman at mydomain.com> /usr/bin/python2 -S
/var/www/mailman/cron/checkdbs
X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/sh>
X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/var/www/mailman>
X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/usr/bin:/bin>
X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=mailman>
Message-Id: <20021112120700.CC3F1180072 at mydomain.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:07:00 -0500 (EST)
-----------------------------------------------------
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/www/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 26, in ?
    from email.Charset import Charset
ImportError: No module named email.Charset
----------------------------------------------------------------
It looked like a problem running the checkdbs script so I tryed running it
from the command line with the same results::

[root at main email]# cd /var/www/mailman/cron/
[root at main cron]# ls -l
total 64
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman      2375 Nov  4 19:56 bumpdigests
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman      5060 Nov  4 19:56 checkdbs
-rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman      1265 Nov  8 15:54 crontab.in
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman      7644 Nov  4 19:56 disabled
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman      9987 Nov  4 19:56 gate_news
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman      8092 Nov  4 19:56 mailpasswds
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman      4377 Nov  4 19:56 nightly_gzip
-rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman      2428 Nov  4 19:56 paths.py
-rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman       684 Nov  5 09:00 paths.pyc
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman      2364 Nov  4 19:56 senddigests

[root at main cron]# ./checkdbs
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./checkdbs", line 26, in ?
    from email.Charset import Charset
ImportError: No module named email.Charset
----------------------------------------------------------
My install directory is /var/www/mailman

Permissions on /var/www/mailman/pythonlib are as follows
-----------------------------------------------:
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Nov  4 13:52 email
drwxrwsr-x    6 mailman  mailman      4096 Nov  4 13:52 japanese
drwxrwsr-x    5 mailman  mailman      4096 Nov  4 13:52 korean
-rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman        22 Nov  4 19:56 korean.pth
drwxrwsr-x    3 mailman  mailman      4096 Nov  4 13:52 lib
---------------------------------------------
and the relevant files in /var/www/mailman/pythonlib look as follows ( I
actually set 644 on most of the .py files hoping to get rid of this error)

-rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman     14378 Oct 13 00:00 Charset.py
-rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman     14670 Nov  4 13:52 Charset.pyc
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------
Anyone have any suggestion how to proceed?
Thank you in advance.







From links at momsview.com  Wed Nov 13 06:05:22 2002
From: links at momsview.com (Links at Momsview)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:05:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: checkdbs error in 2.1b4
Message-ID: <037c01c28ad2$45d075d0$6501a8c0@P4>

I believe I have found a bug in the 2.1b4 checkdbs module in 
mailman/pythonlibs/email/

Original section of code
------------------
import sys
import time
from types import UnicodeType
from email.Charset import Charset

import paths
# mm_cfg must be imported before the other modules, due to the side-effect of
# it hacking sys.paths to include site-packages.  Without this, running this
# script from cron with python -S will fail.
from Mailman import mm_cfg
from Mailman import Utils
from Mailman import MailList
from Mailman import Message
from Mailman import i18n
-------------------------------------------------
Notice the "from email.Charset import Charset"  before the "import paths"

Moving the "from email.Charset ..."  after the "import paths" eliminated the error

The code section now reads as follows:
-----------------------------------------------
import sys
import time
from types import UnicodeType

import paths
from email.Charset import Charset
# mm_cfg must be imported before the other modules, due to the side-effect of
# it hacking sys.paths to include site-packages.  Without this, running this
# script from cron with python -S will fail.
from Mailman import mm_cfg
from Mailman import Utils
from Mailman import MailList
from Mailman import Message
from Mailman import i18n
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From dan.mick at sun.com  Wed Nov 13 06:07:17 2002
From: dan.mick at sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:07:17 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: checkdbs error in 2.1b4
In-Reply-To: <037c01c28ad2$45d075d0$6501a8c0@P4>
References: <037c01c28ad2$45d075d0$6501a8c0@P4>
Message-ID: <3DD1DE05.8010401@sun.com>

Links at Momsview wrote:

> I believe I have found a bug in the 2.1b4 checkdbs module in
> mailman/pythonlibs/email/


Yup; that one's already fixed in CVS I believe.



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Nov 13 08:27:04 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:27:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pay per list? 
In-Reply-To: Message from bronto <bronto@csd-bes.net> 
   of "Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:03:23 PST." <a05111b0fb9f761706bff@[10.1.19.62]> 
References: <a05111b0fb9f761706bff@[10.1.19.62]> 
Message-ID: <12189.1037172424@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:03:23 -0800 
bronto  <bronto at csd-bes.net> wrote:

> He says they send out one or two messages per week, to a list of
> between 10-15,000 subscribers.

> My mail server is a beige G3 Mac running YellowDog Linux, with Postfix
> and mailman.

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Read it well and carefully.  Follow ALL the instructions.  Loosely:

  Its heavily dependent on the distribution of your target MXes, their
  responsiveness, and the percentage of bad addresses.  There are enough
  variables in that space to make any solid recommendations hard.
  However, very loosely, you're not outside of the ballpark or even
  right up against the fence.  Everything else being unequal you should
  have enough room to play with to make it work without great effort or
  expertise.

Early recommendations:

  Buy some RAM.  Stuff your box full of it.  Get up to the couple Gig+
  range if you can (I don't know Macs well to know how easy that is).
  Don't even attempt this without at least 512Meg (1Gig will be much
  better).
 
  Get a new disk for /var/spool/postfix and another separate disk for
  /var/log. If you have the opportunity, make the spool disk faster.  At
  this point don't worry about IDE vs SCSI.

  If you can smarthost all outbound traffic to a different system from
  your Mailman system.  Set it up similarly as above/below (distinct
  spindle for spool and log, postfix config etc).  This simple step
  would make handling this sort of load almost easy.  If you can't do
  this, check with your ISP and see if they'd be willing to smarthost
  for you.  Many will.

  Follow all the Postfix tuning hints in the FAQ.

  Start out by setting MAX_RCPT_TOs to 100 (don't go larger), use hashed
  spool queues, etc.

  Go straight to Mailman v2.1.  Don't bother with 2.0.

  If you can, initially make your sending box not be the return MX for
  the initial sends (or smart host out to a box that isn't your Mailman
  box.  Once you get things running/happy you can move the MX back.  On
  such a high load this can be critical as the overhead of bounce
  processing can consume a disproportionate percentage of your system
  load.

Given a reasonable outbound bandwidth and a reasonable level of MX
clustering (eg closer to the typical 30% AOL/Hotmail/MSN rather than my
<3%) and a reasonable DASD situation on your G3 as above, you should do
alrightish.  Beware that any non-trivial variation in any of the factors
can cause a disproportionate and possibly catastrophic performance gag.

Expectations:

  As a comparable under Postfix on a dual PII-333 with 512Meg RAM
  sitting on a couple T3s and a T1 I can sustain 1,400 deliveries a
  minute.  You should be comfortably able to sustain at least half that
  given that you've a slightly less muscled box and your outbound
  bandwidth situation is likely skinnier.

  Given a reasonable distribution of slow MX'es (which is a silly
  meaningless unrelative thing to say, but hey) that would mean that
  you'd drain the majority of the queue down to the slow MXes in about
  an hour (accounting for IO and spool contention).  If you want to use
  your system for anything else during that time (expect system loads in
  the 20 - 30 range for the majority of that time) you can reduce the
  number of queue runners or throw in some bandwidth profiling, but note
  that that will extend drain time non-linearly.

Be prepared for a fairly extensive period of fiddling getting this
really happy.  You're not up in the range where things get really
sensitive, but you're getting there. Some care and discretion will be
required.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From greg at gregwestin.com  Wed Nov 13 14:53:53 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:53:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman qrunners getting stale
Message-ID: <Pine.OSX.4.44.0211130848300.1890-100000@westin>

I noticed a while ago that, for some reason, Mailman would periodically
just stop working.  Or rather, mail would be received and processed, but
wouldn't get sent to the MTA for sending until I restarted the Mailman
qrunners.  Basically, I just had to run /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl
start every morning to make sure it was working.  So I just installed a
crontab entry that does that every so often - it almost always just throws
an error because the qrunners are fine, but I don't want to risk Mailman
quietly shutting down and me not noticing.

Any ideas what my problem might be?  I'm running 2.1b3 on OS X (Client)
with Postfix.

Thanks,

Greg

---
greg at gregwestin.com
http://www.gregwestin.com/
Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php



From andy at milonic.com  Wed Nov 13 15:24:06 2002
From: andy at milonic.com (Andy Woolley)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:24:06 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman variables inside posts
Message-ID: <010e01c28b20$533ff530$0200a8c0@andypc>

Hi All,

I'd like to include variables inside posts so that I can add something like
this to each message.

"You are subscribed as someone at domain.com Click here to unsubscribe."

If I can just get the email address of the posts destination added to each
email that comes from Mailman I'll be very happy indeed.

Anyone got any ideas?

Cheers
Andy.



From jeremyp at pobox.com  Wed Nov 13 15:46:29 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 13 Nov 2002 09:46:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman variables inside posts
In-Reply-To: <010e01c28b20$533ff530$0200a8c0@andypc>
References: <010e01c28b20$533ff530$0200a8c0@andypc>
Message-ID: <1037198793.3745.20.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

This is called "list personalization" and is available in Mailman 2.1b
(beta version).  It is not available in 2.0.x, because messages are sent
out in batches.  What version are you using?


On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 09:24, Andy Woolley wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I'd like to include variables inside posts so that I can add something like
> this to each message.
> 
> "You are subscribed as someone at domain.com Click here to unsubscribe."
> 
> If I can just get the email address of the posts destination added to each
> email that comes from Mailman I'll be very happy indeed.
> 
> Anyone got any ideas?
> 
> Cheers
> Andy.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jeremyp at pobox.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jeremyp%40pobox.com
> 




From andy at milonic.com  Wed Nov 13 16:04:13 2002
From: andy at milonic.com (Andy Woolley)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:04:13 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman variables inside posts
References: <010e01c28b20$533ff530$0200a8c0@andypc>
	<1037198793.3745.20.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
Message-ID: <013f01c28b25$ee7a2bb0$0200a8c0@andypc>

Thanks Jeremy,

I'm running 2.0.8.

Where can I get a copy of 2.1b then?
Couldn't see it on the download page or is it only for registered testers
atm.

Cheers
Andy.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Portzer" <jeremyp at pobox.com>
To: "Andy Woolley" <andy at milonic.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman variables inside posts


> This is called "list personalization" and is available in Mailman 2.1b
> (beta version).  It is not available in 2.0.x, because messages are sent
> out in batches.  What version are you using?
>
>
> On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 09:24, Andy Woolley wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I'd like to include variables inside posts so that I can add something
like
> > this to each message.
> >
> > "You are subscribed as someone at domain.com Click here to unsubscribe."
> >
> > If I can just get the email address of the posts destination added to
each
> > email that comes from Mailman I'll be very happy indeed.
> >
> > Anyone got any ideas?
> >
> > Cheers
> > Andy.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
> > This message was sent to: jeremyp at pobox.com
> > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jeremyp%40pobox.com
> >
>



From jsingh at fdu.edu  Wed Nov 13 17:56:13 2002
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:56:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner & locks
Message-ID: <007001c28b35$933ab160$9a0bee84@FDUJACK>

Hey Guys 
When I run python -S qrunner I am getting this message
/home/mailman/cron/qrunner:0: SyntaxWarning: name '_listcache' is
assigned to before global declaration
/usr/local/lib/python2.2/regsub.py:15: DeprecationWarning: the regsub
module is deprecated; please use re.sub()
  DeprecationWarning)
And I have a build up happening in qfiles , and since qrunner is not
running I can't send out messages. Should I also delete the lock files
that are being generated.
Thanks
 
jack
 
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From sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx  Wed Nov 13 18:26:22 2002
From: sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Sammons?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:26:22 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman an qmail
Message-ID: <20021113172622.97100.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com>


  Hi there!!!

     Has anybody a guide or where can I find help
(apart of README.QMAIL) for installing Mailman using
qmail????

   Thanks!!

_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
La mejor conexi?n a internet y 25MB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes. http://net.yahoo.com.mx


From bronto at csd-bes.net  Wed Nov 13 18:43:33 2002
From: bronto at csd-bes.net (bronto)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:43:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pay per list?
In-Reply-To: <12189.1037172424@kanga.nu>
References: <a05111b0fb9f761706bff@[10.1.19.62]>
 <12189.1037172424@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <a05111b02b9f83cabf8de@[10.1.19.62]>

J C;

Thanks for the detailed answer.  Read on:


>Please see the FAQ:
>
>   http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>
>Read it well and carefully.  Follow ALL the instructions.  Loosely:

Will do.  Thanks.

>  Buy some RAM.  Stuff your box full of it.  Get up to the couple Gig+
>   range if you can (I don't know Macs well to know how easy that is).
>   Don't even attempt this without at least 512Meg (1Gig will be much
>   better).

It's already maxed out at 768 mb.  But another off list suggestion 
was that I would want to get a dedicated box for this anyway, since 
no matter how fast I got it to go, it would still take a while and 
would block other activities in the meantime.

>   Get a new disk for /var/spool/postfix and another separate disk for
>   /var/log. If you have the opportunity, make the spool disk faster.  At
>   this point don't worry about IDE vs SCSI.

Very interesting suggestion, and disks are sooo cheap now.

>   If you can smarthost all outbound traffic to a different system from
>   your Mailman system.  Set it up similarly as above/below (distinct
>   spindle for spool and log, postfix config etc).  This simple step
>   would make handling this sort of load almost easy.  If you can't do
>   this, check with your ISP and see if they'd be willing to smarthost
>   for you.  Many will.

"smarthost" is a new term for me.  I'll look it up.

>Go straight to Mailman v2.1.  Don't bother with 2.0.

Already there.

>   As a comparable under Postfix on a dual PII-333 with 512Meg RAM
>   sitting on a couple T3s and a T1 I can sustain 1,400 deliveries a
>   minute.  You should be comfortably able to sustain at least half that
>   given that you've a slightly less muscled box and your outbound
>   bandwidth situation is likely skinnier.

As this is not delivering time sensitive information, these 
expectations are encouraging.

>   Given a reasonable distribution of slow MX'es (which is a silly
>   meaningless unrelative thing to say, but hey) that would mean that
>   you'd drain the majority of the queue down to the slow MXes in about
>   an hour (accounting for IO and spool contention).  If you want to use
>   your system for anything else during that time (expect system loads in
>   the 20 - 30 range for the majority of that time) you can reduce the
>   number of queue runners or throw in some bandwidth profiling, but note
>   that that will extend drain time non-linearly.

That's a good hint.  If this goes through, I might use this as a 
dedicated list server and try to recruit other list clients and give 
them specific time slots for sending messages to keep them spaced 
apart.  Or maybe it will be a dedicated mail server, but require them 
to send the messages late at night.

>Be prepared for a fairly extensive period of fiddling getting this
>really happy.  You're not up in the range where things get really
>sensitive, but you're getting there. Some care and discretion will be
>required.

Thanks again for your excellent suggestions.

Rob


From jeremyp at pobox.com  Wed Nov 13 18:44:10 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 13 Nov 2002 12:44:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman variables inside posts
In-Reply-To: <013f01c28b25$ee7a2bb0$0200a8c0@andypc>
References: <010e01c28b20$533ff530$0200a8c0@andypc>
	<1037198793.3745.20.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> 
	<013f01c28b25$ee7a2bb0$0200a8c0@andypc>
Message-ID: <1037209455.3746.37.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 10:04, Andy Woolley wrote:
> 
> I'm running 2.0.8.
> 
> Where can I get a copy of 2.1b then?
> Couldn't see it on the download page or is it only for registered testers
> atm.

The beta versions are available at the sourceforge page for mailman; see
here:
	http://sourceforge.net/projects/mailman/

Make sure you read the release notes and documentation; the beta version
has a lot of differences vs. 2.0.x.

Notice that this list -- mailman-users at python.org -- has the exact
personalization features you are asking for, in the footer of every
message.  There was quite a long thread about the behavior of the
headers when personalization is turned on; please see the archives!

--Jeremy



From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Wed Nov 13 20:18:42 2002
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:18:42 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email subscribe by owner?
Message-ID: <003001c28b49$7a6afaa0$0b7a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.or.us>

What is the syntax for subscribing another person via email? A list owner
doesn't always want to go to the admin web interface to subscribe an address
(or more), so needs to subscribe the address via email. I would hope that it
could also bypass the need for approval or confirmation.


Christopher Adams




From Warchol at harthosp.org  Wed Nov 13 20:47:15 2002
From: Warchol at harthosp.org (Dave Warchol)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:47:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving Question
Message-ID: <sdd26600.050@gwmail.harthosp.org>

Hello:
         I am doing some last minute testing using a test list
configured like my production list prior to going live with my first
list on Monday.  I have to tell everyone that I have had an excellent
experience with Mailman (2.0.13-1) to date.  I am running on a well
patched RH7.3 box, everything installed from packages and am using
Postfix as my MTA.  This will be a "discussion" type list, where the
original message is posted and folks respond to the list. I am trying to
simulate a discussion using two different e-mail accounts (each of which
is a list member, call them A1 and A2).  It is entirely possible that:
a.  I am not doing it correctly, or,
b.  I have not configured something correctly.

The list is set up as a "closed" "private" list. 
Membership=confirm+approve, the archives are private as well, only list
members may post.

The scenario:
1.  A1 posts to the list.  Both A1 and A2 receive the message. The
message appears in the archive.
2.  A2 replies to the message, with the addressee being the list.  Both
A1 and A2 receive A2's reply.  The message appears in the archive as a
separate line item, not indented as I expected (the archive display is
sorted by thread).

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks much in advance.......

Dave




From andy at milonic.com  Thu Nov 14 00:10:30 2002
From: andy at milonic.com (Andy Woolley)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:10:30 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman variables inside posts
References: 
	<010e01c28b20$533ff530$0200a8c0@andypc><1037198793.3745.20.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
	<013f01c28b25$ee7a2bb0$0200a8c0@andypc>
	<1037209455.3746.37.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
Message-ID: <041401c28b69$dcb65900$0200a8c0@andypc>

> The beta versions are available at the sourceforge page for mailman; see
> here:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/mailman/
>
> Make sure you read the release notes and documentation; the beta version
> has a lot of differences vs. 2.0.x.

Right, I've got a copy a 2.1b, thanks for the info so far.

I haven't installed it as I've not gone through the docs yet.

What I'm looking for now is how to add a custom footer to include custom
text with the email address of the recipient. Very much like what is
appearing at the end of these messages.

If you could point me in the right direction (I've looked for some docs on
this but can't see anything) I'd be forever grateful

Cheers
Andy.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Portzer" <jeremyp at pobox.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman variables inside posts


> On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 10:04, Andy Woolley wrote:
> >
> > I'm running 2.0.8.
> >
> > Where can I get a copy of 2.1b then?
> > Couldn't see it on the download page or is it only for registered
testers
> > atm.
>
> The beta versions are available at the sourceforge page for mailman; see
> here:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/mailman/
>
> Make sure you read the release notes and documentation; the beta version
> has a lot of differences vs. 2.0.x.
>
> Notice that this list -- mailman-users at python.org -- has the exact
> personalization features you are asking for, in the footer of every
> message.  There was quite a long thread about the behavior of the
> headers when personalization is turned on; please see the archives!
>
> --Jeremy
>
>
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>
> This message was sent to: andy at milonic.com
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From ralfred at pobox.com  Thu Nov 14 00:22:41 2002
From: ralfred at pobox.com (Ralph Boersema)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:22:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: New lists do not work
Message-ID: <060201c28b6b$90b46c20$6401a8c0@chartertn.net>

Dear folks,

I have no expertise at all in computer programming or the mailman
program. Our installation set up by a good programmer who is not too
familiar with mailman. He doesn't have the time to participate in this
list. So I'll present our problem in the language of one who doesn't
understand the technical language and I'll forward any suggestions to
our programmer.

Here's the situation:

1. Our mailman program was working fine for several months.
2. When some configuration changes were made to our server, sendmail
stopped woring as did the mailman forwarding capabilities. The cause was
located and corrected and all seemed to be fine. All our lists started
to work again and continue to work well. But....
3. New lists that are created do not work.
4. It is initially possible to administer the list, but when the first
message is sent, it does not forward and, after that, it is no longer
possible to access the administration page. The admin access page comes
up, you type in the password, but, then, nothing happens.
5. Also, it is not possible to delete these lists and try to create them
again with the same name.

Any suggestions?

Ralph




From fish at livingsky.net  Thu Nov 14 03:05:04 2002
From: fish at livingsky.net (fish)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:05:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] log and permission problems
Message-ID: <FFEHJKDOKCCPDELMCLCAOEAPDGAA.fish@livingsky.net>

Hi all

I have installed Mailman on a Debian system with exim as the mail program.
This was done just before I left for 13 days, and now I am getting some very
large log files and am getting the following error from my log watcher

Nov 13 11:02:01 livingsky CRON[15674]: Authentication service cannot
retrieve authentication info.

I believe that this is a qrunner / pam problem, but don't know how to fix it
and googling didn't really help. Can anyone here help out with this?

Robert Lydiate
icon at accesscomm.ca 

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From volcheck at acm.org  Thu Nov 14 04:48:25 2002
From: volcheck at acm.org (Emil Volcheck)
Date: 14 Nov 2002 03:48:25 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation difficulties
Message-ID: <1037245706.1134.56.camel@rosie.arsmagna.com>

Let me thank Richard and Kyle for their pointers.

Upgrading to Python 2.2.2 and Mailman 2.0.13 did the job.

We also had to redo the aliases in /etc/postfix/mailinglist .

Thanks again!

--Emil

Emil Volcheck
Young Mathematicians' Network
http://www.xlan.org/mailman/listinfo
http://www.YoungMath.net







From erich.neuwirth at univie.ac.at  Thu Nov 14 08:30:34 2002
From: erich.neuwirth at univie.ac.at (Erich Neuwirth)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:30:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] config question
Message-ID: <3DD3511A.9030201@univie.ac.at>

i have a running installation on a debian linux machine wit postfix 
instead of sendmail.

the machine has works as a few virtual  hosts
and i want the hostname
mailman.csd.univie.ac.at
to be used for all the in and outgoing mail to lists.
i have put the relevant entries in the list admin pages,
but the main still uses servername in
 the reply-to
and to
fields
where do i need to change the configuration
to have these addresses the way i want them to be?





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From linux at mostert.nom.za  Thu Nov 14 14:02:18 2002
From: linux at mostert.nom.za (Mozzi)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:02:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to
Message-ID: <3DD39EDA.1090401@mostert.nom.za>

Hallo all
I run an internal mailing list for staff here, the list is moderated.
Now my problem is that people replying come to the list and not to the 
poster.
I have set reply to Poster in General section of setup


Tnx

Mozzi

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From erich.neuwirth at univie.ac.at  Thu Nov 14 08:30:34 2002
From: erich.neuwirth at univie.ac.at (Erich Neuwirth)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:30:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] config question
Message-ID: <3DD3511A.9030201@univie.ac.at>

i have a running installation on a debian linux machine wit postfix 
instead of sendmail.

the machine has works as a few virtual  hosts
and i want the hostname
mailman.csd.univie.ac.at
to be used for all the in and outgoing mail to lists.
i have put the relevant entries in the list admin pages,
but the main still uses servername in
 the reply-to
and to
fields
where do i need to change the configuration
to have these addresses the way i want them to be?





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Visit our SunSITE at http://sunsite.univie.ac.at
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From rhorer at swbell.net  Thu Nov 14 16:09:06 2002
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:09:06 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation difficulties
In-Reply-To: <1037245706.1134.56.camel@rosie.arsmagna.com>
References: <1037245706.1134.56.camel@rosie.arsmagna.com>
Message-ID: <200211140909.07061.rhorer@swbell.net>

On Wednesday 13 November 2002 21:48, Emil Volcheck wrote:
> Upgrading to Python 2.2.2 and Mailman 2.0.13 did the job.
>
> We also had to redo the aliases in /etc/postfix/mailinglist .

What I do on my boxes is put mailman's alias file in /var/mailman, along 
with the rest of the mailman installation.  It is uid & gid mailman so 
that I don't have any problems doing a bin/newlist -o, and it means I 
can back up /var/mailman and have everything I would need if I had to 
restore.  Another benefit is I can give someone else the mailman 
password and they can do everything they would need to do without 
giving them root access.

Kyle
-- 
Since the general civilizations of mankind, I believe there are more
instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual
and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden
usurpations.
                                                  -James Madison




From andy at milonic.com  Thu Nov 14 16:48:49 2002
From: andy at milonic.com (Andy Woolley)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:48:49 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email address added to posts.
Message-ID: <048401c28bf5$534f4eb0$0200a8c0@andypc>

Hello,

I've just installed version 2.1b on the understanding that I can add the
recipients email address to all posts, just like happens with the messages
from this list.

I understand that this is done with a Footer but I can't seem to find the
correct variable to use for email.

Anyone got any ideas.

Thanks very much
Andy



From peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu  Thu Nov 14 18:03:54 2002
From: peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu (Peter Bengtson)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:03:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rewriting the Date Sent field
References: <E18CNMM-0007aW-02@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3DD3D777.AF2B2B80@musikelit.nu>

Am I completely mistaken, or did there use to be a checkbox somewhere in
the Mailman web admin GUI which if checked changed the time of messages
distributed on a mailinglist to the time of distribution rather than the
time the message was sent from the author?

	/ Peter Bengtson


From jeremyp at pobox.com  Thu Nov 14 18:33:53 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 14 Nov 2002 12:33:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rewriting the Date Sent field
In-Reply-To: <3DD3D777.AF2B2B80@musikelit.nu>
References: <E18CNMM-0007aW-02@mail.python.org> 
	<3DD3D777.AF2B2B80@musikelit.nu>
Message-ID: <1037295238.5906.42.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 12:03, Peter Bengtson wrote:
> Am I completely mistaken, or did there use to be a checkbox somewhere in
> the Mailman web admin GUI which if checked changed the time of messages
> distributed on a mailinglist to the time of distribution rather than the
> time the message was sent from the author?

Maybe you're thinking of the similar field in the archiving options?

In mailman 2.0.x, one of the Archival Options is "Set date in archive to
when the mail is claimed to have been sent, or to the time we resend
it?"

I don't believe there is a similar option for changing the messages
themselves.  This would have to alter the message's original headers,
something that is frowned upon.

--Jeremy




From mmlistsub at bli.net  Fri Nov 15 01:17:42 2002
From: mmlistsub at bli.net (Brandt Milczewski)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:17:42 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New to list- need help
Message-ID: <B9F97D26.13DE1%mmlistsub@bli.net>

I'm green, as in a newbie to Mailman. I installed it on a Cobalt Raq4 and it
seems to be working fine. But I want to be able to make lists that appear to
be from a virtually hosted site rather than the server name.

Right now all of my lists are list at my.server.com

I want to be able to make a list for a virtual site like
list at virtual.site.com

Throw me a bone here people. TIA

Also 
Yes I looked in the archives, and well I got a little lost.

Thanks,
Brandt





From kzirk at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 15 04:36:37 2002
From: kzirk at earthlink.net (Karin Zirk)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:36:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL Problem
In-Reply-To: <B9F97D26.13DE1%mmlistsub@bli.net>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20021114193521.00ac7ec0@mail.earthlink.net>



I'm not an AOL user, but some of my list subscribers have AOL. No matter 
what they do, when their post reaches the digest version of our list, it 
converts into two posts.  The top one is ASCII, the bottom one is raw HTML.

Any suggestions?

Karin



From kocurek at kocurek.eu.org  Fri Nov 15 16:23:35 2002
From: kocurek at kocurek.eu.org (Jacek Wojaczynski)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:23:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] WWW archives problem.
Message-ID: <20021115152335.GA15956@kocurek.eu.org>

Hi!

I have a problem with my website archives.
The "Downloadable version" and "Download the full raw archive"
do not work. View by thread/subject/author/date seems to work
fine.

You can check it at:
http://zuzel.org/pipermail/pzld/

What may be wrong and how to fix it? Any ideas?
-- 
kocurek


From ralfred at pobox.com  Fri Nov 15 16:31:51 2002
From: ralfred at pobox.com (Ralph Boersema)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:31:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New lists do not work
Message-ID: <002401c28cbc$1f17f800$6401a8c0@chartertn.net>

Dear folks,

We haven't made any progress on this one, so let me send it out again to
see if someone recognizes something:

I have no expertise at all in computer programming or the mailman
program. Our installation set up by a good programmer who is not too
familiar with mailman. He doesn't have the time to participate in this
list. So I'll present our problem in the language of one who doesn't
understand the technical language and I'll forward any suggestions to
our programmer.

Here's the situation:

1. Our mailman program was working fine for several months.
2. When some configuration changes were made to our server, sendmail
stopped woring as did the mailman forwarding capabilities. The cause was
located and corrected and all seemed to be fine. All our lists started
to work again and continue to work well. But....
3. New lists that are created do not work.
4. It is initially possible to administer the list, but when the first
message is sent, it does not forward and, after that, it is no longer
possible to access the administration page. The admin access page comes
up, you type in the password, but, then, nothing happens.
5. Also, it is not possible to delete these lists and try to create them
again with the same name.

Any suggestions?

Ralph





From Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com  Fri Nov 15 17:02:11 2002
From: Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com (Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:02:11 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatically bounce non-member posts
Message-ID: <OF0F4A78A5.837EAAF2-ON86256C72.00580188@na.jci.com>

Did the ability to automatically reject non-member posts make it into the
2.1 feature set?

Have fun,
Arlen
Chief Managing Director In Charge, Department of Redundancy Department
DNRC 224

Arlen.P.Walker at JCI.Com
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If JCI had an opinion on this, they'd hire someone else to deliver it.



From rhorer at swbell.net  Fri Nov 15 17:04:42 2002
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:04:42 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New lists do not work
In-Reply-To: <002401c28cbc$1f17f800$6401a8c0@chartertn.net>
References: <002401c28cbc$1f17f800$6401a8c0@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <200211151004.42913.rhorer@swbell.net>

On Friday 15 November 2002 09:31, Ralph Boersema wrote:
> Our installation set up by a good programmer who is not too
> familiar with mailman. He doesn't have the time to participate in
> this list.

I would suggest that the first order of business is to hire a system 
administrator.  As long as you have people who "don't have time" to 
keep your infrastructure up and running and familiarize themselves with 
the software the company is using, you will continue to have problems.  
For example, who is going to apply security patches?  Who is going to 
perform backups?  Who is going to get new machines up and running?  Who 
is going to install and configure new software?  Who is going to ensure 
that the infrastructure continues to meet the needs of the company?  
These are just some of the functions required to maintain the 
technology assets of any company, large or small.  Then there's the 
obvious question of who is going to fix things when they stop working.

> 3. New lists that are created do not work.
> 4. It is initially possible to administer the list, but when the
> first message is sent, it does not forward and, after that, it is no
> longer possible to access the administration page. The admin access
> page comes up, you type in the password, but, then, nothing happens.

On the subject of mail from new lists not forwarding, did you forget to 
update the aliases file and/or run newaliases?  As for the problems 
accessing the administration page, more information would be helpful.  
Was there anything of significance in the logs?  Are your Mailman and 
Python up to date?  What version of Mailman are you running?  Are there 
files in the locks directory that could be hosing things?

Seriously, think about hiring a system administrator.  Every company 
larger than three or four people that uses computers should have one.  
If your company is small and doesn't have the resources to retain a 
full-time administrator, you could hire someone part-time or outsource 
the function.

Kyle
-- 
Since the general civilizations of mankind, I believe there are more
instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual
and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden
usurpations.
                                                  -James Madison




From rhorer at swbell.net  Fri Nov 15 17:07:43 2002
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:07:43 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New lists do not work
In-Reply-To: <002401c28cbc$1f17f800$6401a8c0@chartertn.net>
References: <002401c28cbc$1f17f800$6401a8c0@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <200211151007.43124.rhorer@swbell.net>

On Friday 15 November 2002 09:31, Ralph Boersema wrote:
> 4. It is initially possible to administer the list, but when the
> first message is sent, it does not forward and, after that, it is no
> longer possible to access the administration page. The admin access
> page comes up, you type in the password, but, then, nothing happens.

One other suggestion I just thought of... run ~mailman/bin/check_perms.

Kyle
-- 
Since the general civilizations of mankind, I believe there are more
instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual
and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden
usurpations.
                                                  -James Madison




From Bryan.Woolley at fluke.com  Tue Nov 12 19:56:06 2002
From: Bryan.Woolley at fluke.com (Woolley, Bryan)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:56:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can mailman...
Message-ID: <DC7322DE4C3BD511AA1500508B12A6CB059796E3@evtexc05.tc.fluke.com>

can mailman deliver html mail?
 


From yogesh.chaudhary at amd.com  Wed Nov 13 03:42:11 2002
From: yogesh.chaudhary at amd.com (Yogesh Chaudhary)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:42:11 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation question.
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.42.0211122040360.28547-100000@ardgw29.amd.com>


Hi,

I want to install mailman on a netApp filer disk space using NFS and
be able to
use it with a mail server( linux machine). Is it posible to do it ?
how do I do that.

Thanks, Yogesh




From alberto at marcedone.it  Wed Nov 13 15:08:01 2002
From: alberto at marcedone.it (Alberto Marcedone)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:08:01 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] BUG 2.1b4
Message-ID: <015201c28b1e$13aed5a0$6401a8c0@marcedon.it>

I have installed mailman 2.1b4 in my web server, using 3 virtual domain.
I use postfix + apache.

The problem is with the configuration of virtual domain for "pipermail".
In my virtual domain all is correct, and if I restest:
http://my.domain/pipermail/namelist
the directory is shown with all messages.
But, in the LINK in the page of the list
(http://my.domain/mailman/listinfo/namelist)
is coded the name of the REAL domain.

Any suggestion?
Alberto




From jlbec at evilplan.org  Wed Nov 13 20:47:04 2002
From: jlbec at evilplan.org (Joel Becker)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:47:04 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disparate list locations
Message-ID: <20021113194704.W17228@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk>

(Please CC or direct reply, I'm not on the list)

Folks,
	Is there any way to have multiple locations with one set of
binaries?  I have a web structure like so:

	/projects/bob
	         /sue
	         /john

	All data for the project's web space exists under the project
path.  So, a tar(1) or mv(1) of /projects/bob means that all of the data
for bob is included.  I can move it about as I please.
	My understanding of mailmain and mm_cfg.py is that I can't have

	/projects/bob/mailman
	         /sue/mailman

where the mailman software is in /usr/lib/mailman, and each different
location has the proper bits.  To clarify.  I want
http://myhost/projects/sue/listinfo/sue-list to reference
/projects/sue/mailman/lists/sue-list.  I want
http://myhost/projects/sue/archives/sue-list to reference
/projects/sue/mailman/archives/sue-list.  The same for the bob and john
projects.
	With the current mm_cfg.py, listinfo only accesses one
directory.  There is (to my knowledge) no way to tell it where to go for
bob vs sue.
	To be clear, I don't want to compile a new mailmain binary tree
for each project.  That's overkill.  I am guessing that the 'right'
answer is to create symlinks.  So, /var/lib/mailman/lists/sue-list ->
/projects/sue/mailman/lists/sue-list and
/var/lib/mailman/archives/sue-list ->
/projects/sue/mailman/archives/sue-list.  This allows the data to live
in the correct place.
	Is there a better way?

Joel

-- 

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	"Send your loved one flowers.  Think of a reason later."

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From Adam.Rheaume at umassmed.edu  Wed Nov 13 22:43:58 2002
From: Adam.Rheaume at umassmed.edu (Rheaume, Adam)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:43:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Nested Lists
Message-ID: <D07C647C65ED9D4B81D0343D08A26AC9A776@edunivmail01.umassmed.edu>

Hi I just had a quick question for you. We are migrating to Mailman at
the moment our current list architecture has nested lists:

List1---list2---list3 etc... a member may be in all 3 lists. If they are
we would like them to only receive the E-mail once if it is sent to
list1 or list2 etc ... They still need to be members of list2 and list3
so people can send to those lists directly is this possible? If so what
do I need to do thanks.

-=>Adam<=-


From jbegin at ffq.qc.ca  Wed Nov 13 22:47:04 2002
From: jbegin at ffq.qc.ca (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Julie_B=E9gin?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:47:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to put the name of the person
Message-ID: <NGBBJDLBELDPDABKJHBHOEJMCGAA.jbegin@ffq.qc.ca>

Hello,

I am subscribing three lists of Mailman and I need to put the name of the
person besides his email address. I tries <name of the person>
person at here.com
But it did not work. I did not find anything in the instruction manual (web)
either. Do you have a clue?

Thank you so much!

Julie B?gin
Responsable des communications
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From ralph at refmail.net  Wed Nov 13 23:37:19 2002
From: ralph at refmail.net (Ralph Boersema)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:37:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New lists do not work
Message-ID: <05f301c28b65$39f96a80$6401a8c0@chartertn.net>

Dear folks,

I have no expertise at all in computer programming or the mailman
program. Our installation set up by a good programmer who is not too
familiar with mailman. He doesn't have the time to participate in this
list. So I'll present our problem in the language of one who doesn't
understand the technical language and I'll forward any suggestions to
our programmer.

Here's the situation:

1. Our mailman program was working fine for several months.
2. When some configuration changes were made to our server, sendmail
stopped woring as did the mailman forwarding capabilities. The cause was
located and corrected and all seemed to be fine. All our lists started
to work again and continue to work well. But....
3. New lists that are created do not work.
4. It is initially possible to administer the list, but when the first
message is sent, it does not forward and, after that, it is no longer to
access the administration page. The admin page comes up, you type in the
password, but, then, nothing happens.

Any suggestions?

Ralph



From icon at accesscomm.ca  Thu Nov 14 00:25:48 2002
From: icon at accesscomm.ca (Bob)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:25:48 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] log and permission problems
Message-ID: <FFEHJKDOKCCPDELMCLCAGEANDGAA.icon@accesscomm.ca>

Hi all

I have installed Mailman on a Debian system with exim as the mail program.
This was done just before I left for 13 days, and now I am getting some very
large log files and am getting the following error from my log watcher

Nov 13 11:02:01 livingsky CRON[15674]: Authentication service cannot
retrieve authentication info.

I believe that this is a qrunner / pam problem, but don't know how to fix it
and googling didn't really help. Can anyone here help out with this?

Robert Lydiate
icon at accesscomm.ca 

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From pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us  Thu Nov 14 13:35:35 2002
From: pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us (peter schoch)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:35:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re:  no mail out to lists
Message-ID: <sdd35256.029@mail.sussex.edu>

>What do the logs and the times of the entries in your MTA show. Is it 
              >passing the mail into the mailman alias properly? Check the time. 
              >Now check the Mailman logs and when it shows the message accepted for 
              >posting. The time should be very close to the MTA's time. 
              >Now back to the MTA, does it show the message going out to the folks on 
              >the list? 

              >What are you using as your MTA? 

I'm using Sendmail - possibly a bad choice, but it's what I have always used.

I check the maillog files.  The messages come in and within 1 - 10 seconds are being sent to mailman.  I then check the mailman logs and I have no errors (the error log is empty)  I have only a few bounces, and they are from spammers.  


              >Hmmm, that sounds suspiciously like a Digest Trigger (How big in Kb 
              >should a digest be before it gets sent out?) 

              >In the web admin, is the first option marked as "Yes" (Can subscribers 
              >choose to receive mail immediately, rather than in batched digests?) 

Yes, I have the option for users to be able to receive mail as it comes in or digest.  I also have it set that even if the mail does not reach the minimum to automatically send out the digest, it should send it out once a day.  But it's doing neither.
--
Now, being a physicist by trade I've started to experiment.  I can "spam" my test list with a minimum of 53 messages and it will trigger something and send out all messages for all the lists.  I tried it yesterday and it sent all accumulated messages since the last time I tried this.  The amazing thing is that the time and date stamp on all of the messages was the exact time and day they were sent into the list!  So, rather than saying No. 13 at 3 PM, they said Nov. 11 at 2 PM and Nov. 10 at 10 AM, etc.

I also got digests to come out (don't ask me how) yesterday, and they too were time and date stamped when they should've emerged - Sunday at 11AM and Monday at 11AM, but I didn't get one for Tuesday! Even if no messages were sent, I should get an empty digest.

So, now I'm really confused.  I checked the que in mailman and it is empty.  I hunted around in sendmail, and there is no apparent delay set.  There are no locks set in mailman.  I have no errors in the logs.  

What could be causing the delay?  And, why is it (sort of) removed when I "spam" a list?

(I asked the UNIX/Linux guru on our campus, and he also had no idea.  He and I spent several hours checking the log files.)

Peter Schoch



From brandt at bli.net  Fri Nov 15 00:01:38 2002
From: brandt at bli.net (Brandt Milczewski)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:01:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New to list - help with name based virtual hosted
	sites.
Message-ID: <B9F96B52.13DB0%brandt@bli.net>

I'm green as in a newbie to Mailman. I installed it on a Cobalt Raq4 and it
seems to be working fine. But I want to be able to make lists that appear to
be from a virtually hosted site rather than the server name.

Right now all of my lists are list at my.server.com

I want to be able to make a list for a virtual site like
list at virtual.site.com

Throw me a bone here people. TIA

Also 
Yes I looked in the archives, and well I got a little lost.

Thanks,
Brandt



From stli at ccms.nkfust.edu.tw  Fri Nov 15 02:22:14 2002
From: stli at ccms.nkfust.edu.tw (Sam Li)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:22:14 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help: unicode-Chinese fonts?
Message-ID: <3DD44C46.3D6B3410@ccms.nkfust.edu.tw>

Hello,

I am wondering if mailman support unicode in Subject for showing
Chinese character?

Any pointer will be appreciated.

Rds,
Sam



From yvain at gmp.usyd.edu.au  Fri Nov 15 05:42:36 2002
From: yvain at gmp.usyd.edu.au (Chris Albone)
Date: 15 Nov 2002 15:42:36 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim 4 configuration
Message-ID: <1037335356.15566.76.camel@anath.gmp.usyd.edu.au>

Hiyah,

There are some significant changes to the configuration of exim between
exim 3 and 4. Directors no longer exist. Their work has been taken over
by 'routers'. In any case, the following exim.conf fragments work for me
- you may want to add them to your documentation - especially the
README.EXIM that you include with the mailman source.


### start of general fragment
MAILMAN_HOME=/usr/local/mailman
MAILMAN_WRAP=/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper
MAILMAN_UID=exim
MAILMAN_GID=mail
### end of general fragment
### start of routers fragment
list_owner_router:
   driver = redirect
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc::$local_part}/config.db
   local_part_suffix = -owner
   data = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"

owner_list_router:
   driver = redirect
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc::$local_part}/config.db
   local_part_prefix = owner-
   data = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"
##
## Next 3 router direct admin, request and list mail to the appropriate
## transport.  List existence is checked as above.

list_admin_router:
   driver = accept
   local_part_suffix = -admin
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc::$local_part}/config.db
   transport = list_admin_transport

list_request_router:
   driver = accept
   local_part_suffix = -request
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc::$local_part}/config.db
   transport = list_request_transport

list_router:
   driver = accept
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc::$local_part}/config.db
   transport = list_transport

### end of routers fragment
### Start of transports fragment
list_transport:
           driver = pipe
           command = "MAILMAN_WRAP post ${lc:$local_part}"
           current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           user = mailman
           group = mail

list_request_transport:
           driver = pipe
           command = "MAILMAN_WRAP mailcmd ${lc:$local_part}"
        current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           user = mailman
           group = mail

list_admin_transport:
           driver = pipe
           command = "MAILMAN_WRAP mailowner ${lc:$local_part}"
           current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           user = mailman
           group = mail
### end of transports fragment


I've tested this with exim 4.10 and mailman 2.0.13 

peace
chris

-- 
Chris Albone <yvain at gmp.usyd.edu.au>



From horshack at lisa.franken.de  Fri Nov 15 13:09:27 2002
From: horshack at lisa.franken.de (Richard Lippmann)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:09:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish: Spam by vacation notifications in Mailman
Message-ID: <5.1.1.2.2.20021115130652.04a7dec0@gatekeeper.rosi13.de>

Hi,
we use Mailman and we like it! But there is a problem in people who are in 
our open maillists. They go for vacation and put some kind of agent in 
their mailbox who answers every e-mail. This answer goes to the list and 
the answer of the list also gets answered and again and again. We had about 
600 emails from that today until the admin recognized the problem.

Couldn't there be a limitation of postings a user can make at one day?
 From Bavaria, Germany
Richard Lippmann

--
Richard Lippmann, Findus Internet-OPAC
Findus, see http://www.hultsfred.de
Private, see http://lena.franken.de



From fish at livingsky.net  Fri Nov 15 18:26:24 2002
From: fish at livingsky.net (fish)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:26:24 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] log and permission problems, again
Message-ID: <FFEHJKDOKCCPDELMCLCACECKDGAA.fish@livingsky.net>

Hi all

I am sending this again, since my first post did not generate any replies.

I have installed Mailman (through the aid of Odhiambo Washington) on a
Debian system with exim as the mail program. This was done just before I
left for 13 days, and now I am getting some very large log files and am
getting the following error from my log watcher

Nov 13 11:02:01 livingsky CRON[15674]: Authentication service cannot
retrieve authentication info.

I believe that this is a qrunner / pam problem, but don't know how to fix it
and googling didn't really help. Can anyone here help out with this? Mailman
is set up as user list:list according to Debian protocol and this user is
present in both /etc/passwd and /etc/gpasswd and the cron.d/mailman file
which initiates qrunner is calling list as the user. Is there anything else
I can tell you to give you enough information to help, or can anyone help me
with this problem?

Robert Lydiate
icon at accesscomm.ca 

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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Nov 15 18:46:14 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:46:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish: Spam by vacation notifications in Mailman
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.2.2.20021115130652.04a7dec0@gatekeeper.rosi13.de>
Message-ID: <228CEBF3-F8C2-11D6-8EBC-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>


On Friday, November 15, 2002, at 04:09  AM, Richard Lippmann wrote:

> Hi,
> we use Mailman and we like it! But there is a problem in people who 
> are in our open maillists. They go for vacation and put some kind of 
> agent in their mailbox who answers every e-mail.

If you don't set your reply-to to the list, you won't set up your lists 
to ask for these wonderful little mailbombs.


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/

The Cliff's Notes Cliff's Notes on Hamlet:
     And they all died happily ever after



From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Fri Nov 15 20:22:25 2002
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:22:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Carriage Return in Archives
In-Reply-To: <8b.207c14fa.2aff3acf@aol.com>
References: <8b.207c14fa.2aff3acf@aol.com>
	<1036943354.1637.12.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3DD54971.1060302@mitre.org>

Hello,

Just wanted to make the point that MUAs should *not* put in line breaks except for new paragraphs.  Any decent MUA that is reading the message will perform the line wraps for you based on the size of your window.

It is really a kludge to force the sender to put in line breaks every 72 characters.

And, as Susan pointed out, most MUAs will wrap for you.  Thus, how do you get the web view of the archive to do the wrapping?  It doesn't have to change the content of the message, just the display.


Jon Carnes wrote:

> Dudes.  The problem is with the sender.  You have some folks using an
> MUA that does not put in hard returns in the email.
>
> Most MUA's will do an automatic line-wrap so they don't notice it.


-- 
John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own




From che at debian.org  Fri Nov 15 20:40:08 2002
From: che at debian.org (Ben Gertzfield)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:40:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help: unicode-Chinese fonts?
In-Reply-To: <3DD44C46.3D6B3410@ccms.nkfust.edu.tw>
References: <3DD44C46.3D6B3410@ccms.nkfust.edu.tw>
Message-ID: <3DD54D98.5050907@debian.org>

Sam Li wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I am wondering if mailman support unicode in Subject for showing
>Chinese character?
>  
>

Mailman 2.1 beta supports both Traditional Chinese (big5 encoding) and 
Simplified Chinese (gb2312) in the web and email interfaces.

The pipermail web archiver that comes with Mailman 2.1 beta partially 
supports Chinese, but the support isn't 100% yet.

Mail to and from lists in Chinese is fully supported in Mailman 2.1 beta.

Ben




From dejongm at secdog.com  Fri Nov 15 21:33:48 2002
From: dejongm at secdog.com (Mark J de Jong)
Date: 15 Nov 2002 15:33:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field with server requests
Message-ID: <1037392434.9835.7731.camel@crasher.secdog.com>

Hello,
I'm wondering how to change the "FROM" field when making requests such
as "subscribe" or "help". When I send a request to
testlist-request at LISTS.domain1.com
I get a response back from

testlist-request at MAIL.domain2.com 

MAIL.domain2.com is the hostname of the box that mailman is installed on
but out client requires that that the message comes from
LISTS.domain1.com. How can I accomplish this?

Thanks.
-- 
Mark J. de Jong
,.,.,.,...,.,,.,..,.,....,.,..,.,..,.,.,,.,...,..,,... 
Senior Network Engineer - Secure Dog Hosting, Inc. 
P.703.256.2869 F.703.256.3810 C.571.212.0027 
http://www.secdog.com

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Nov 15 22:52:31 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:52:31 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New lists do not work
References: <002401c28cbc$1f17f800$6401a8c0@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <000e01c28cf1$4e6760c0$1501a8c0@anncons2>

Check to see if the location of the system aliases file changed.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph Boersema" <ralfred at pobox.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 9:31 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New lists do not work


> Dear folks,
>
> We haven't made any progress on this one, so let me send it out again to
> see if someone recognizes something:
>
> I have no expertise at all in computer programming or the mailman
> program. Our installation set up by a good programmer who is not too
> familiar with mailman. He doesn't have the time to participate in this
> list. So I'll present our problem in the language of one who doesn't
> understand the technical language and I'll forward any suggestions to
> our programmer.
>
> Here's the situation:
>
> 1. Our mailman program was working fine for several months.
> 2. When some configuration changes were made to our server, sendmail
> stopped woring as did the mailman forwarding capabilities. The cause was
> located and corrected and all seemed to be fine. All our lists started
> to work again and continue to work well. But....
> 3. New lists that are created do not work.
> 4. It is initially possible to administer the list, but when the first
> message is sent, it does not forward and, after that, it is no longer
> possible to access the administration page. The admin access page comes
> up, you type in the password, but, then, nothing happens.
> 5. Also, it is not possible to delete these lists and try to create them
> again with the same name.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Ralph
>
>
>
>
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From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Nov 15 21:54:47 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:54:47 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Carriage Return in Archives 
In-Reply-To: Message from John DeCarlo <jdecarlo@mitre.org> 
   of "Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:22:25 EST." <3DD54971.1060302@mitre.org> 
References: <8b.207c14fa.2aff3acf@aol.com>
	<1036943354.1637.12.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>  <3DD54971.1060302@mitre.org> 
Message-ID: <1193.1037393687@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:22:25 -0500 
John DeCarlo <jdecarlo at mitre.org> wrote:

> Hello, Just wanted to make the point that MUAs should *not* put in
> line breaks except for new paragraphs.  Any decent MUA that is reading
> the message will perform the line wraps for you based on the size of
> your window.

Wrong.

  1) Not everybody uses a windowing interface.

  2) Not all text is prose

  3) Not all text can be reflowed without losing data.

> It is really a kludge to force the sender to put in line breaks every
> 72 characters.

Nope.  This argument was fought and quite properly lost almost 20 years
ago.

> And, as Susan pointed out, most MUAs will wrap for you.  Thus, how do
> you get the web view of the archive to do the wrapping?  It doesn't
> have to change the content of the message, just the display.

You don't unless you wedge-fit hack onto your system in order to cover
up other's broken software.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Nov 16 00:37:14 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:37:14 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re:  no mail out to lists
References: <sdd35256.029@mail.sussex.edu>
Message-ID: <004501c28cff$ee2d71e0$1501a8c0@anncons2>

hmmm, do the headers from the email shed much light on what is going on?
They should at least indicate *where* the mail was held (and then released).
That should gain you a clue as to where to concentrate your search.

Could the spamming/sending just be coincidental?

Good Luck
----- Original Message -----
From: "peter schoch" <pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 6:35 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: no mail out to lists


>What do the logs and the times of the entries in your MTA show. Is it
              >passing the mail into the mailman alias properly? Check the
time.
              >Now check the Mailman logs and when it shows the message
accepted for
              >posting. The time should be very close to the MTA's time.
              >Now back to the MTA, does it show the message going out to
the folks on
              >the list?

              >What are you using as your MTA?

I'm using Sendmail - possibly a bad choice, but it's what I have always
used.

I check the maillog files.  The messages come in and within 1 - 10 seconds
are being sent to mailman.  I then check the mailman logs and I have no
errors (the error log is empty)  I have only a few bounces, and they are
from spammers.


              >Hmmm, that sounds suspiciously like a Digest Trigger (How big
in Kb
              >should a digest be before it gets sent out?)

              >In the web admin, is the first option marked as "Yes" (Can
subscribers
              >choose to receive mail immediately, rather than in batched
digests?)

Yes, I have the option for users to be able to receive mail as it comes in
or digest.  I also have it set that even if the mail does not reach the
minimum to automatically send out the digest, it should send it out once a
day.  But it's doing neither.
--
Now, being a physicist by trade I've started to experiment.  I can "spam" my
test list with a minimum of 53 messages and it will trigger something and
send out all messages for all the lists.  I tried it yesterday and it sent
all accumulated messages since the last time I tried this.  The amazing
thing is that the time and date stamp on all of the messages was the exact
time and day they were sent into the list!  So, rather than saying No. 13 at
3 PM, they said Nov. 11 at 2 PM and Nov. 10 at 10 AM, etc.

I also got digests to come out (don't ask me how) yesterday, and they too
were time and date stamped when they should've emerged - Sunday at 11AM and
Monday at 11AM, but I didn't get one for Tuesday! Even if no messages were
sent, I should get an empty digest.

So, now I'm really confused.  I checked the que in mailman and it is empty.
I hunted around in sendmail, and there is no apparent delay set.  There are
no locks set in mailman.  I have no errors in the logs.

What could be causing the delay?  And, why is it (sort of) removed when I
"spam" a list?

(I asked the UNIX/Linux guru on our campus, and he also had no idea.  He and
I spent several hours checking the log files.)

Peter Schoch


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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Nov 16 00:44:02 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:44:02 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish: Spam by vacation notifications in Mailman
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20021115130652.04a7dec0@gatekeeper.rosi13.de>
Message-ID: <005501c28d00$e1e087a0$1501a8c0@anncons2>

Front-end your mailman lists with something like SpamAssassin and add a rule
that kills these vacation replies.

The real culprit is the idiot who sets his filter to respond to all mail (as
opposed to mail sent directly to them).  Even then a responsible person only
send the message once in response to any one individual!

Just my opinion - Jon Carnes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Lippmann" <horshack at lisa.franken.de>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:09 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish: Spam by vacation notifications in Mailman


> Hi,
> we use Mailman and we like it! But there is a problem in people who are in
> our open maillists. They go for vacation and put some kind of agent in
> their mailbox who answers every e-mail. This answer goes to the list and
> the answer of the list also gets answered and again and again. We had
about
> 600 emails from that today until the admin recognized the problem.
>
> Couldn't there be a limitation of postings a user can make at one day?
>  From Bavaria, Germany
> Richard Lippmann
>
> --
> Richard Lippmann, Findus Internet-OPAC
> Findus, see http://www.hultsfred.de
> Private, see http://lena.franken.de
>
>
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>
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From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Sat Nov 16 21:28:30 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:28:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: installation question.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.42.0211122040360.28547-100000@ardgw29.amd.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.42.0211122040360.28547-100000@ardgw29.amd.com>
Message-ID: <20021116202830.GG16335@hq.newdream.net>

Yogesh Chaudhary wrote:

> I want to install mailman on a netApp filer disk space using NFS and
> be able to use it with a mail server( linux machine). Is it posible to
> do it ?  how do I do that.

I believe it should work; however you want to make sure that file
locking is working properly. There are some kernel patches (I'm not sure
which ones) that we use to get locking to work; there are still
occasional problems, but for the most part things work well.

I've run mailman over NFS with a way cheaper (and suckier) NAS than the
NetApps and it works OK there too.

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From mburton at jo.birdsense.com  Sat Nov 16 16:20:41 2002
From: mburton at jo.birdsense.com (Mike Burton)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 07:20:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish: Spam by vacation notifications in
  Mailman
In-Reply-To: <228CEBF3-F8C2-11D6-8EBC-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20021115130652.04a7dec0@gatekeeper.rosi13.de>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20021116071634.00b25960@10.10.10.1>

At 09:46 AM 11/15/2002, chuqui at plaidworks.com wrote:

>On Friday, November 15, 2002, at 04:09  AM, Richard Lippmann wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>we use Mailman and we like it! But there is a problem in people who are 
>>in our open maillists. They go for vacation and put some kind of agent in 
>>their mailbox who answers every e-mail.
>
>If you don't set your reply-to to the list, you won't set up your lists to 
>ask for these wonderful little mailbombs.

If this were the case, wouldn't the originator of the message receive these 
instead?  Might that not cause some confusion since that person did not 
send a mail directly to the person with the autoreply setup?  Just thinking 
out loud.  I haven't had a problem with autoreplies on any of my lists (yet).

Take care,
Mike



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Sat Nov 16 22:31:36 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:31:36 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish: Spam by vacation notifications in Mailman
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20021116071634.00b25960@10.10.10.1>
Message-ID: <C8E27858-F9AA-11D6-85A6-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>


On Saturday, November 16, 2002, at 07:20  AM, Mike Burton wrote:

>> If you don't set your reply-to to the list, you won't set up your 
>> lists to ask for these wonderful little mailbombs.
>
> If this were the case, wouldn't the originator of the message receive 
> these instead?  Might that not cause some confusion

Yes, and yes. But it sure is better than having it posted to a list and 
having everyone on the list get it instead. a lesser evil thing. Or 
having that vacation message start a loop with itself and having 
everyone on the list get 500 copies before they can track down someone 
to kill it.



-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/

Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties
are largely ceremonial.



From cabyler22 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 15 20:30:14 2002
From: cabyler22 at yahoo.com (Charles Byler)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:30:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass e-mail
Message-ID: <20021115193014.70446.qmail@web20413.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi!

We have Mailman with our website blueridemusic.com. 
We are trying to set it up so that people can sign up
for the mailing list and unsubscribe when they want
to, but only receive e-mail events from us, and not be
able to post messages, have to use passwords or
anything else.

How do we configure this?

Thank you,

Chuck Byler
www.blueridemusic.com

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From spamfilter2 at mupp.net  Sun Nov 17 20:40:42 2002
From: spamfilter2 at mupp.net (j2)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:40:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating setup?
Message-ID: <014501c28e71$37abcd90$7800a8c0@fozzie>

Well its time to retire my old box and move to a new one. Is there a
migration document i have missed somewhere? I cant find anything useful?



From jomommadeep13 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 17 22:56:49 2002
From: jomommadeep13 at yahoo.com (Thomas Ward)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:56:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qmail, mailman and headaches...
Message-ID: <20021117215649.12429.qmail@web10706.mail.yahoo.com>

I must be completely missing something here. And every search on the internet
for solutions on this have pretty much ended in single responses to a posting
and no follow up afterwards. Here's what I have:

I'm running qmail 1.03 with vpopmail on FreeBSD 4.5. I have downloaded and
installed mailman 2.0.13. I changed the MTA type to "qmail" through the
mm_cfg.py file. Doing a "newlist" sends an e-mail just fine to me.I "su"ed and
ran the code that was spit out by newlist to put the .qmail files in the alias
directory. Going on the /mailman/listinfo page and signing up from there sends
an e-mail fine as well. I even ran: tcprules /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb
/etc/tcp.smtp.tmp < /etc/tcp.smtp (with relay info in there, including
127.0.0.1 and local IP block... it IS a.b.c.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" right?)
Sending the confirm message _fails_. I called my list "qqq" so I could test it
without trying to parse through previous tests with a mailing list named
"test". 

>From logs/smtp:
Nov 17 13:30:08 2002 (71363) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.025 seconds

>From logs/subscribe
Nov 17 13:30:08 2002 (71363) qqq: pending jomommadeep13 at yahoo.com  x.x.x.x

qmail-send/current:@400000003dd809c426976adc info msg 1767: bytes 2271 from
<qqq-admin at moufette.com> qp 71305 uid 82
qmail-send/current:@400000003dd80a6a32286e64 info msg 1767: bytes 1775 from
<qqq-admin at moufette.com> qp 71365 uid 82
qmail-send/current:@400000003dd80aa6240d02f4 starting delivery 62051: msg 1767
to local moufette.com-qqq-request at moufette.com
qmail-send/current:@400000003dd80aa6283ffe44 delivery 62051: success:
/home/vpopmail/domains/moufette.com,qqq-request,moufette.com/
qmail-send/current:@400000003dd80b6435a84e24 starting delivery 62053: msg 1767
to local moufette.com-qqq-request at moufette.com
qmail-send/current:@400000003dd80b6436986314 delivery 62053: success:
/home/vpopmail/domains/moufette.com,qqq-request,moufette.com/


I see no failure messages. I tried it twice even. I tried it with the .qmail
files in the /home/vpopmail/domains/moufette.com/ directory.

Could somebody PLEASE explain how to get mailman to PROPERLY work with qmail?

=====
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From lin at actrix.co.nz  Sun Nov 17 23:00:40 2002
From: lin at actrix.co.nz (Huaikun Lin)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:00:40 +1300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with big mail
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20021118105836.043fd1f0@pop.actrix.co.nz>

Hi

I am new in the mailman list server.

We got a few lists.

When some one sent big mail (>1MB) to one of the list,the list server looks 
like
stopped responding. Means doesn't send any mail out(receive OK.)

Is there any way we can stop this happening?

Lin
-------------- next part --------------

---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002

From stephani at cornbury.org  Mon Nov 18 01:24:35 2002
From: stephani at cornbury.org (Stephanie Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:24:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman when accessing any part of web
	interface?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.84.1037578372.26615.mailman-users@python.org>
References: <mailman.84.1037578372.26615.mailman-users@python.org>
Message-ID: <p05111b0bb9fde14faec7@[192.168.1.110]>

Hello again:

After a complete reconstruction of our server :-( I reinstalled 
Mailman and restored my configuration files from backups (or so I 
thought). I can now post to lists and receive messages from them, but 
whenever I go to the /mailman/admin or /mailman/listinfo pages on the 
web I get:

Bug in Mailman version 2.0.13

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing 
of traceback and other system information has been explicitly 
inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman 
error logs.

I can't find anything in the log files (they're silent on this 
issue). Manually running the CGI from the Terminal window produces 
reasonable HTML (not the page above).

The groups and privileges are all set up correctly.

This is Mac OS X Server 10.2.2, with MacPython 2.2.2 and Postfix 2.0.13.

Any ideas what I'm doing wrong or how I can get some logging info out?

Thanks!
-- 
Stephanie Mitchell

For beautiful lips, speak words of kindness.


From d.richards at qut.edu.au  Mon Nov 18 01:34:30 2002
From: d.richards at qut.edu.au (David Richards)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:34:30 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: shared installation / NFS / Shared storage
Message-ID: <3dd83596.112d6c.15718@imap.qut.edu.au>

Expers required !

I still have no response on this message below, does anyone have experience
in this area??

Thanks,  D.

----- Message Forwarded on 18/11/02 -----
From: "David Richards" <richard2 at imap.qut.edu.au>
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: shared installation / NFS / Shared storage
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:21:58 +1000

Hi,

I have been trying to find information in the FAQ and archives about
whether Mailman can run on two independant systems over NFS or concurrently
on two cluster nodes using shared storage.

can anyone help me out and tell me if mailman can handle this and if it is
same to do so?

Thanks,

Dave.


Dave Richards
Project Manager (Messaging)
Information Technology Services
Queensland University of Technology
----- End Forwarded Message -----


From tarjei at nu.no  Mon Nov 18 09:17:56 2002
From: tarjei at nu.no (Tarjei Huse)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:17:56 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists still point to old install dir after upgrade
Message-ID: <ara7k5$asc$1@main.gmane.org>

Hi,

I just upgraded my server to rh 8.0. In the process I also upgraded 
mailman by copying over some dirs from /home/mailman to /var/mailman. 
I'm sorry, but I cannot remember which directories.However, I got 
mailman working :)

Now, some time later, I'm getting big trouble.
I got many messages in the queue that just stays there. I try running 
qrunner but that doesn't help. Also, the webinterface hangs when I try 
to make changes etc.

After som checking I find this in the log:
       /home/mailman/archives/private/nnv-samf.mbox/nnv-samf.mbox [Errno 
2] No such file or directory: 
'/home/mailman/archives/private/nnv-samf.mbox/nnv-samf.mbox'
Nov 18 09:14:01 2002 (31263) Delivery exception: [Errno 2] No such file 
or directory: '/home/mailman/archives/private/nnv-samf.mbox/nnv-samf.mbox'
Nov 18 09:14:01 2002 (31263) Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in 
do_pipeline
     func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToArchive.py", line 49, in process
     mlist.ArchiveMail(msg, msgdata)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 189, in 
ArchiveMail
     self.__archive_to_mbox(msg)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 159, in 
__archive_to_mbox
     mbox = self.__archive_file(afn)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 149, in 
__archive_file
     return Mailbox.Mailbox(open_ex(afn, "a+"))
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 601, in open_ex
     fd = os.open(filename, flags, perms)
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
'/home/mailman/archives/private/nnv-samf.mbox/nnv-samf.mbox'

So, how do I locate where this value (archivepath) is set up, and change it?

Please CC me offlist.

Yours,

Tarjei





From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk  Mon Nov 18 11:22:03 2002
From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 18 Nov 2002 10:22:03 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish: Spam by vacation notifications in Mailman
In-Reply-To: <005501c28d00$e1e087a0$1501a8c0@anncons2>
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20021115130652.04a7dec0@gatekeeper.rosi13.de>
	 <005501c28d00$e1e087a0$1501a8c0@anncons2>
Message-ID: <1037614923.1202.7.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 23:44, Jon Carnes wrote:
> The real culprit is the idiot who sets his filter to respond to all mail (as
> opposed to mail sent directly to them).  Even then a responsible person only
> send the message once in response to any one individual!

Unfortunately the new 2.1 personalisation stuff can fool mail filters
into thinking that mail is personally for their owner as opposed to list
mail.   However the agent should not IMNSHO be sending its replies to
the From: or Reply-To: addresses, but should send them to the envelope
sender address (although I know a couple of notables on this list do not
agree with this point - depending on whether you view an autoreply as a
form of bounce or as a delegated action by the agent owner).

My normal action is my normal reasoned level of pre-emptive
retaliation.  If autoreplies are coming to the list (which fortunately
so far has always caught them), or to list members then the address
causing the autoreply is removed from all my lists, a flame is sent, and
frequently the address and/or domain is added to my MTAs blacklist.

	Nigel.
-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham           Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ]
[ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ]



From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Nov 18 11:52:46 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:52:46 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with big mail
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20021118105836.043fd1f0@pop.actrix.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021118104352.0361a650@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 22:00 17/11/2002, you wrote:
>Hi
>
>I am new in the mailman list server.
>
>We got a few lists.
>
>When some one sent big mail (>1MB) to one of the list,the list server 
>looks like
>stopped responding. Means doesn't send any mail out(receive OK.)
>
>Is there any way we can stop this happening?
>
>Lin

Setting the max_message_size parameter on the General Options page of the 
admin GUI for your lists would let you trap excessively large postings and 
reject them.

If that doesn't suit your needs, I think you will find the performance 
impact of large attachments to posts is reduced if you turn off archiving 
with MM's internal archiver for lists on which you allow large posts. If 
you absolutely must have large attachments and archiving for a list then 
you may need to use an external archiver, such as Mhonarc, for such lists.



From tarjei at nu.no  Mon Nov 18 14:09:25 2002
From: tarjei at nu.no (Tarjei Huse)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:09:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Lists still point to old install dir after
	upgrade
In-Reply-To: <ara7k5$asc$1@main.gmane.org>
References: <ara7k5$asc$1@main.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <3DD8E685.4070300@nu.no>

Ups. Fixed it with this script: (taken from the faq. I included it for 
the archives :)
-----------------------
#!/bin/sh

newroot='/var/mailman'

for list in `ls $newroot/lists`
do
python -i $newroot/bin/withlist -l $list <<EOF
m.private_archive_file_dir
m.private_archive_file_dir='$newroot/archives/private/$list.mbox'
m.public_archive_file_dir
m.public_archive_file_dir='$newroot/archives/public'
m.archive_directory
m.archive_directory='$newroot/archives/private/$list'
m.Save()
EOF
done
--------------------------
Tarjei Huse wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I just upgraded my server to rh 8.0. In the process I also upgraded
> mailman by copying over some dirs from /home/mailman to /var/mailman.
> I'm sorry, but I cannot remember which directories.However, I got
> mailman working :)
>
> Now, some time later, I'm getting big trouble.
> I got many messages in the queue that just stays there. I try running
> qrunner but that doesn't help. Also, the webinterface hangs when I try
> to make changes etc.
>
> After som checking I find this in the log:
>       /home/mailman/archives/private/nnv-samf.mbox/nnv-samf.mbox [Errno
> 2] No such file or directory:
> '/home/mailman/archives/private/nnv-samf.mbox/nnv-samf.mbox'
> Nov 18 09:14:01 2002 (31263) Delivery exception: [Errno 2] No such file
> or directory: '/home/mailman/archives/private/nnv-samf.mbox/nnv-samf.mbox'
> Nov 18 09:14:01 2002 (31263) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in
> do_pipeline
>     func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToArchive.py", line 49, in process
>     mlist.ArchiveMail(msg, msgdata)
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 189, in
> ArchiveMail
>     self.__archive_to_mbox(msg)
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 159, in
> __archive_to_mbox
>     mbox = self.__archive_file(afn)
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 149, in
> __archive_file
>     return Mailbox.Mailbox(open_ex(afn, "a+"))
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 601, in open_ex
>     fd = os.open(filename, flags, perms)
> IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
> '/home/mailman/archives/private/nnv-samf.mbox/nnv-samf.mbox'
>
> So, how do I locate where this value (archivepath) is set up, and change
> it?
>
> Please CC me offlist.
>
> Yours,
>
> Tarjei
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> This message was sent to: python-mailman-users at m.gmane.org
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/python-mailman-users%40m.gmane.org 
>
>
>





From jokech at ke.uu.net  Mon Nov 18 17:18:55 2002
From: jokech at ke.uu.net (Joseph Okech)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:18:55 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Running mailman and MTA on different machines
Message-ID: <20021118191855.6222b9a4.jokech@ke.uu.net>

Hi All,

Is there a way of running mailman and the MTA (exim) on different machines, without ruuning it on NFS? has anyone ever implemented this?

regards,

-- 
Joseph Okech


From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Nov 18 17:55:34 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 18 Nov 2002 11:55:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Running mailman and MTA on different machines
In-Reply-To: <20021118191855.6222b9a4.jokech@ke.uu.net>
References: <20021118191855.6222b9a4.jokech@ke.uu.net>
Message-ID: <1037638537.1609.6.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

You can do this just fine, but it becomes a bit ridiculous.  You have to
have an MTA on the server that is running Mailman (something has to
accept the mail, and something has to send it!).  And then you have to
replicate the local mailman aliases from the local server onto your main
mail server.

It does work fine, and I've set this up for folks who wanted a separate
internal server running Mailman, but used an external mail server for
all the corporate inbound mail.

Still, I setup the internal Mailman server to do its own outbound mail. 
Worked fine and didn't overload the existing systems.

On the mailman server, I wrote a script that replaced "newaliases" and
performed the functions of "newaliases" but also moved a copy out to the
external mailserver.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes
===
On Mon, 2002-11-18 at 11:18, Joseph Okech wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Is there a way of running mailman and the MTA (exim) on different machines, without ruuning it on NFS? has anyone ever implemented this?
> 
> regards,
> 
> -- 
> Joseph Okech
> 
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> 
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From anna at water.ca.gov  Mon Nov 18 18:36:14 2002
From: anna at water.ca.gov (Fong, Anna)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:36:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating setup?
Message-ID: <E4DB956556B44246B45B98347EC68ECE2B4606@JOCEX1.ad.water.ca.gov>


Try these threads:
 
<http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg11052.html>
<http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg11545.html>

--------------------------------------------------------

Anna Q. Fong, Webmaster	
California Data Exchange Center	

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	j2 [SMTP:spamfilter2 at mupp.net]
> Sent:	Sunday, November 17, 2002 11:41 AM
> To:	mailman-users at python.org
> Subject:	[Mailman-Users] Migrating setup?
> 
> Well its time to retire my old box and move to a new one. Is there a
> migration document i have missed somewhere? I cant find anything useful?
> 
> 


From jgo456 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 19:00:48 2002
From: jgo456 at yahoo.com (Jeffrey Oleander)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:00:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating setup?
Message-ID: <20021118180048.68144.qmail@web20422.mail.yahoo.com>

> At 2002-11-18 09:36:14 -0800 "Fong, Anna"  wrote:
>> At 2002-11-17 11:41 j2 wrote:
>> Well its time to retire my old box and move to a
new one. Is there a
>> migration document i have missed somewhere?
> 
> Try these threads:
>
<http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg11052.html>
>
<http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg11545.html>

And in the FAQ, there's this related thread:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.004.htp

I've a friend in the SF/Silicon Valley/bay area who 
would like to have someone move her Mailman managed 
list and provide hosting services.  Recommendations 
would be appreciated.

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From ed_santora at harvard.edu  Mon Nov 18 19:16:41 2002
From: ed_santora at harvard.edu (Ed Santora)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:16:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exception reading qfile
Message-ID: <10232609.1037625401@[10.101.0.102]>

Hello All:

I recently upgraded from version 2.0.11 to 2.1b4. It looks like messages 
are getting to Mailman, but are not being delivered to list members.

The only error I get is from logs/qrunner :

Nov 18 13:08:01 2002 (12808) Exception reading qfile: 
/opt/mailman/qfiles/in/1037637538.35893+aa5f56494e763d022c59ce9b0ededd028ba
b6eca
__init__() takes exactly 1 non-keyword argument (2 given)
Nov 18 13:08:01 2002 (12808) Exception reading qfile: 
/opt/mailman/qfiles/in/1037638766.937938+4e53c5dd7c59d18b196d71e391d72be56b
61a903
__init__() takes exactly 1 non-keyword argument (2 given)
Nov 18 13:08:01 2002 (12808) Exception reading qfile: 
/opt/mailman/qfiles/in/1037639204.777613+0bc5920be077dc79e67ad2bd58138bae34
002fe7
__init__() takes exactly 1 non-keyword argument (2 given)
Nov 18 13:08:01 2002 (12808) Exception reading qfile: 
/opt/mailman/qfiles/in/1037641786.593321+64c29a0b76d30316a537e408ffb724d9da
48ee23
__init__() takes exactly 1 non-keyword argument (2 given)
Nov 18 13:08:01 2002 (12808) Exception reading qfile: 
/opt/mailman/qfiles/in/1037642028.149452+05474aa8011065aedb4613a5bf50586798
0e8f62
__init__() takes exactly 1 non-keyword argument (2 given)


Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

-Ed

Ed Santora, System Administrator
Harvard University, Academic Computing
Division of Continuing Education
51 Brattle Street
Cambridge, MA 02138


From alvitar at xavax.com  Mon Nov 18 19:26:39 2002
From: alvitar at xavax.com (Phillip L. Harbison)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:26:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migration questions (majordomo, MHonArc,
	Yahoo!Groups)
Message-ID: <3DD930DF.6070606@xavax.com>

I'm migrating from Majordomo and MHonArc to Mailman.  Is there
an easy way to convert MHonArc archives to Pipermail?  I have
found a perl script (mhn2mbox) that will convert MHonARC HTML
files back to UNIX mailbox format, but I was hoping for a more
direct approach.

Is there a web interface for searching the archives?  We are
using a perl CGI to search the existing archives.  I might be
able to hack that to work with Pipermail.

I have two lists that are currently hosted by Yahoo!Groups.  We
are tired of being bombarded by advertising and having beacons
track our activity.  I would like to host these locally using
Mailman.  One feature Mailman appears to be missing is means of
replying to a message, preferably with quoted text, using a web
interface.  Did I miss something?  Is free software available
to do this?

-- 
Phil Harbison



From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Nov 18 20:04:05 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:04:05 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migration questions (majordomo, MHonArc,
  Yahoo!Groups)
In-Reply-To: <3DD930DF.6070606@xavax.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021118190256.034fc048@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 18:26 18/11/2002, Phillip L. Harbison wrote:
>I'm migrating from Majordomo and MHonArc to Mailman.  Is there
>an easy way to convert MHonArc archives to Pipermail?  I have
>found a perl script (mhn2mbox) that will convert MHonARC HTML
>files back to UNIX mailbox format, but I was hoping for a more
>direct approach.
>
>Is there a web interface for searching the archives?  We are
>using a perl CGI to search the existing archives.  I might be
>able to hack that to work with Pipermail.

See for info about search options at 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp

>I have two lists that are currently hosted by Yahoo!Groups.  We
>are tired of being bombarded by advertising and having beacons
>track our activity.  I would like to host these locally using
>Mailman.  One feature Mailman appears to be missing is means of
>replying to a message, preferably with quoted text, using a web
>interface.  Did I miss something?  Is free software available
>to do this?
>
>--
>Phil Harbison
>
>
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From Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com  Mon Nov 18 20:21:29 2002
From: Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com (Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:21:29 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migration questions (majordomo, MHonArc,
	Yahoo!Groups)
Message-ID: <OF89A83C05.D8D0FF28-ON86256C75.006A1F4B@na.jci.com>

>I'm migrating from Majordomo and MHonArc to Mailman.  Is there
>an easy way to convert MHonArc archives to Pipermail?

Ok, this may be too elementary, but you *do* realize MHonarc works
perfectly well with Mailman, don't you? So the reason you want to switch
over to Pipermail is.....?

Have fun,
Arlen
Chief Managing Director In Charge, Department of Redundancy Department
DNRC 224

Arlen.P.Walker at JCI.Com
----------------------------------------------
In God we trust; all others must provide data.
----------------------------------------------
Opinions expressed are mine and mine alone.
If JCI had an opinion on this, they'd hire someone else to deliver it.



From fherman at inferential.com  Mon Nov 18 20:38:01 2002
From: fherman at inferential.com (Frederic Herman)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:38:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricted Posting Not Working
Message-ID: <3DD94199.6070702@inferential.com>

I am using vs 2.0.13.  I have set the privacy option: Restrict posting 
privilege to list members? (/member_posting_only/) to yes.

However, some spam is still getting through from  non-member senders.  I 
have examined the headers, and don't see how the posts are getting 
through to the held-for approval phase.

What should I be looking for?

TIA

Fred



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Nov 18 21:58:37 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 18 Nov 2002 15:58:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migration questions (majordomo, MHonArc,
	Yahoo!Groups)
In-Reply-To: <OF89A83C05.D8D0FF28-ON86256C75.006A1F4B@na.jci.com>
References: <OF89A83C05.D8D0FF28-ON86256C75.006A1F4B@na.jci.com>
Message-ID: <1037653124.1613.14.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

+1 on that!  Stick with MHonArc as your archive agent.

The only advantage of Pipermail over MHonArc is that it comes with
Mailman. MHonArch has many superior features that will probably never
make it into Pipermail (though MHonArch may one day be the archiver that
is included with Mailman...)

On Mon, 2002-11-18 at 14:21, Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com wrote:
> >I'm migrating from Majordomo and MHonArc to Mailman.  Is there
> >an easy way to convert MHonArc archives to Pipermail?
> 
> Ok, this may be too elementary, but you *do* realize MHonarc works
> perfectly well with Mailman, don't you? So the reason you want to switch
> over to Pipermail is.....?
> 
> Have fun,
> Arlen
> Chief Managing Director In Charge, Department of Redundancy Department
> DNRC 224
> 
> Arlen.P.Walker at JCI.Com
> ----------------------------------------------
> In God we trust; all others must provide data.
> ----------------------------------------------
> Opinions expressed are mine and mine alone.
> If JCI had an opinion on this, they'd hire someone else to deliver it.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
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From dan.mick at sun.com  Mon Nov 18 22:13:03 2002
From: dan.mick at sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:13:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migration questions (majordomo, MHonArc,
	Yahoo!Groups)
In-Reply-To: <OF89A83C05.D8D0FF28-ON86256C75.006A1F4B@na.jci.com>
References: <OF89A83C05.D8D0FF28-ON86256C75.006A1F4B@na.jci.com>
	<1037653124.1613.14.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3DD957DF.3020807@sun.com>

Has anyone ever figured out how to get MHonArc to painlessly do the 
daily/monthly/weekly stuff that Pipermail does (without standing on their 
hands creating custom cron stuff)?

That's the huge advantage Pipermail had over anything else I could find a 
year ago.

Jon Carnes wrote:

> +1 on that!  Stick with MHonArc as your archive agent.
>
> The only advantage of Pipermail over MHonArc is that it comes with
> Mailman. MHonArch has many superior features that will probably never
> make it into Pipermail (though MHonArch may one day be the archiver that
> is included with Mailman...)
>
> On Mon, 2002-11-18 at 14:21, Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com wrote:
>
> >>I'm migrating from Majordomo and MHonArc to Mailman.  Is there
> >>an easy way to convert MHonArc archives to Pipermail?
> >
> >Ok, this may be too elementary, but you *do* realize MHonarc works
> >perfectly well with Mailman, don't you? So the reason you want to switch
> >over to Pipermail is.....?
> >
> >Have fun,
> >Arlen
> >Chief Managing Director In Charge, Department of Redundancy Department
> >DNRC 224
> >
> >Arlen.P.Walker at JCI.Com
> >----------------------------------------------
> >In God we trust; all others must provide data.
> >----------------------------------------------
> >Opinions expressed are mine and mine alone.
> >If JCI had an opinion on this, they'd hire someone else to deliver it.
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------
> >Mailman-Users mailing list
> >Mailman-Users at python.org
> >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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> >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
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>
>
>
>
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From BBodnyk at fciconnect.com  Mon Nov 18 22:39:55 2002
From: BBodnyk at fciconnect.com (Bodnyk, Bruce W)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:39:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Installation
Message-ID: <8C2CC3E3AA09284EA73C305B2D25F59968EB60@exet.tron.am.fciconnect.com>

Hi!

I'm trying to get Mailman 2.0.13 running. I believe I followed the
installation
instructions correctly however the cron job that runs sends me the following
error messages. Any idea what I need to do to fix it.

Thanks
Bruce



>From mail at etlinux1.tron.am.fciconnect.com Mon Nov 18 13:08:01 2002
Envelope-to: mail at etlinux1.tron.am.fciconnect.com
From: root at etlinux1.tron.am.fciconnect.com (Cron Daemon)
To: mail at etlinux1.tron.am.fciconnect.com
Subject: Cron <mail at etlinux1>   if [ -x /usr/sbin/exim -a -f
/etc/exim/exim.conf ]; then /usr/sbin/exim -q ; fi
X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/sh>
X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/var/mail>
X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/usr/bin:/bin>
X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=mail>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:08:01 -0500

2002-11-18 13:08:01 18DpXz-0002Y7-00 Neither the system_aliases director nor
the address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery of
|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test


Bruce W. Bodnyk
Staff Engineer, CAE Development
FCI Electronics
825 Old Trail Road
Etters, PA 17319-9351

Phone: (717) 938-7543
Fax: (717) 938-7224
E-Mail: bbodnyk at fciconnect.com




From tcrouch at du.edu  Tue Nov 19 07:26:14 2002
From: tcrouch at du.edu (Tim Crouch)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:26:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] msg_header help
Message-ID: <009d01c28f94$a32c0ca0$6701a8c0@edu.ranch>

I am trying to configure the msg_header to include the recipients email address.  Is this possible?

I basically  want:

Dear recipient at blah.com.......

If anyone can help, it would be greatly appreciated.

Tim Crouch
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From mailinglist at ichilton.co.uk  Tue Nov 19 10:17:53 2002
From: mailinglist at ichilton.co.uk (Ian Chilton)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:17:53 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Servers for a List?
Message-ID: <20021119091753.GH14390@buzz.ichilton.co.uk>

Hello,

I have a domain with 2 master mx servers and I want to run mailman on
both so if 1 is down, the mailing lists still work. I have not setup
mailman yet, but have subscribed to quite a few lists using it.

Does anyone have a similar setup?

I was thinking the best way would be to alias listserv at domain.com (or
whatever) to listserv at server1.domain.com and listserv at server2.domain.com
so when a command (like subscribe/unsubscribe) was received, it would go
to both.

Then, I thought about the web interface that made me choose
mailman....so, I wondered if the subscription info was stored in a text
file? - if so I could do an hourly rsync of it... but this is not ideal
as the subscription info is out of date for up to an hour (or I waste
bandwidth doing more rsync's). Or, what if one server was down - it will
keep trying to rsync.


Does mailman have any features to handle this?


If not, it should have some feature to specify a backup list server and
whenever a change is made to a list setting, it mails the specified
address for this backup list server to update the info.


Also, while i'm on - we currently have the list running from mdaemon on
a windows box (just because we never had time to migrate it when we
switched from windows to unix a while back). I can get it to mail me
with a list of subscribers - can I just dump this straight into the
mailman file or do I have to manually subscribe them all 1 by 1?


Thanks in Advance!

Ian



From fcw at fourcylinderwings.com  Tue Nov 19 11:56:52 2002
From: fcw at fourcylinderwings.com (Davis)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 05:56:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to install Mailman on RaQ3
Message-ID: <003501c28fba$5e295010$6400a8c0@Bobby>

Ahoy All

I am going nuts trying to install Mailman on a Cobalt RaQ3.

When compiling, it craps out right here:

Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/smtplib.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/tempfile.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Built-in exception class not found: EnvironmentError.  Library mismatch?
Warning!  Falling back to string-based exceptions
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "bin/update", line 31, in ?
    from Mailman import Utils
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 40, in ?
    from Mailman import Errors
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Errors.py", line 22, in ?
    class MMListError(Exception): pass
TypeError: base is not a class object

Research at RaQ3 list archives is not hopeful. Has anyone succeeded in
getting Mailman on a RaQ3?  How?

Davis






From gosha at arvid.ee  Tue Nov 19 12:25:24 2002
From: gosha at arvid.ee (Dmitri Gofmekler)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:25:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can not approve message sent outside the list.
Message-ID: <1037705124.3dda1fa48ca7c@secure.arvid.ee>

Hello,

Have a following problem with 2.0.13. When someone who not member sending
mail to closed only for members list, administrator can not approve this
message. Can someone make and advice.

drwxrwx---    2 mailman  mailnull     4096 Nov 18 17:01 qfiles
Users mailman and apache are members of group mailnull.

The error in the log is following:



Nov 18 20:25:08 2002 admin(23604):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(23604): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.13 -----]
admin(23604): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(23604): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(23604):   File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(23604):     main()
admin(23604):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 112, in
main
admin(23604):     HandleRequests(mlist, doc, cgidata)
admin(23604):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 297, in
HandleRequests
admin(23604):     preserve, forward, forwardaddr)
admin(23604):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 130, in
HandleRequest
admin(23604):     forward, addr)
admin(23604):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 221, in
__handlepost
admin(23604):     msg.Enqueue(self, newdata=msgdata)
admin(23604):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 176, in
Enqueue
admin(23604):     dbfp = Utils.open_ex(dbfile, 'w')
admin(23604):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 601, in open_ex
admin(23604):     fd = os.open(filename, flags, perms)
admin(23604): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/spool/mailman/qfiles/02c9b38c1afcb74b72e521320faf938a91f17544.db'
admin(23604): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(23604): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, Apr  3 2002, 18:16:26)  [GCC
2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.2 2
admin(23604): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(23604): sys.prefix     = /usr
admin(23604): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
admin(23604): sys.path       = /usr
admin(23604): sys.platform   = linux-i386
admin(23604): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(23604):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/html
admin(23604):   SERVER_ADDR: 212.215.216.217
admin(23604):   HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate
admin(23604):   REMOTE_HOST: dh.maildomain.com
admin(23604):   CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
admin(23604):   PATH_TRANSLATED: /var/www/html/humor
admin(23604):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.23 (Unix)  (Red-Hat/Linux)
mod_ssl/2.8.7 OpenSSL/0.9.6b PHP/4.2.2 mod_perl/1.26
admin(23604):   GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(23604):   HTTP_COOKIE:
humor:admin=2802000000697330d93d732800000035333933386337333464353166616131
666432623266316435653132623865333764626333636265; chuckmIMPlang=en
admin(23604):   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en,ru;q=0.7,et;q=0.3
admin(23604):   REMOTE_ADDR: 213.214.215.216
admin(23604):   SERVER_PORT: 443
admin(23604):   HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(23604):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0;
Windows NT 5.1; Q312461; .NET CLR 1.0.3705)
admin(23604):   HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint,
application/msword, */*
admin(23604):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admindb/humor
admin(23604):   HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL: no-cache
admin(23604):   QUERY_STRING:
admin(23604):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(23604):   HTTPS: on
admin(23604):   CONTENT_LENGTH: 6651
admin(23604):   HTTP_HOST: somehost.maildomain.com
admin(23604):   REQUEST_METHOD: POST
admin(23604):   SERVER_SIGNATURE: <aDDRESS>Apache/1.3.23 Server at
somehost.maildomain.com Port 443</ADDRESS>

admin(23604):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admindb
admin(23604):   SERVER_ADMIN: webmaster at maildomain.com
admin(23604):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /var/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb
admin(23604):   PYTHONPATH: /var/mailman
admin(23604):   PATH_INFO: /humor
admin(23604):   HTTP_REFERER:
https://somehost.maildomain.com/mailman/admindb/humor
admin(23604):   SERVER_NAME: somehost.maildomain.com
admin(23604):   REMOTE_PORT: 3426



-------------------------------------------------
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From sagi at boom.org.il  Tue Nov 19 12:44:13 2002
From: sagi at boom.org.il (Sagi Bashari)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:44:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] automating daily send to moderated list
Message-ID: <3DDA240D.80206@boom.org.il>

Hello,

I'm trying to set up a large mailing list (~80k subscribers) using mailman.

It is a moderated list. I would like to automate send of a daily 
newsletter to all the subscribers (by script that runs as a cronjob on 
the same machine as mailman). However, I don't want to go and approve 
the mail manually everyday.

Is that possible?

Sagi




From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Tue Nov 19 14:36:00 2002
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:36:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Carriage Return in Archives
In-Reply-To: <8b.207c14fa.2aff3acf@aol.com>
References: <8b.207c14fa.2aff3acf@aol.com>	<3DD54971.1060302@mitre.org>
	<1193.1037393687@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <3DDA3E40.1030502@mitre.org>

J C Lawrence wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:22:25 -0500
> John DeCarlo  wrote:
>
>
> >Hello, Just wanted to make the point that MUAs should *not* put in
> >line breaks except for new paragraphs.  Any decent MUA that is reading
> >the message will perform the line wraps for you based on the size of
> >your window.
>
>
> Wrong.
>
>   1) Not everybody uses a windowing interface.


Why would this be important?  I can turn on word wrap on a VT100.  Automatic word wrap has been available in every kind of interface for decades.

>   2) Not all text is prose

So?

I guess I should have been more precise.  Any decent MUA over the past 10-20 years should not insert extra characters in the user's message.  If the user wants to put in a line break after every word, or only after every 1000 word paragraph, that is the 
user's decision.  If the user wants to have a fancy looking poem with words centered, that should be a user decision.

>   3) Not all text can be reflowed without losing data.

Exactly.  You want it reflowed when the MUA creates the email message.  I disagree.  Let the receiver decide how to view it.  Then the receiver can turn on word wrap at 30 characters or 72 or 185 or not every turn it on at all.

> >It is really a kludge to force the sender to put in line breaks every
> >72 characters.
>
> Nope.  This argument was fought and quite properly lost almost 20 years
> ago.

No.  The result back then was "it is more polite to word wrap at sending time because so many brain-damaged message viewers are out there.  But it is still a messy and hopefully short-lived kludge."

-- 
John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own




From sema.marcelo at telemigcelular.com.br  Tue Nov 19 15:50:07 2002
From: sema.marcelo at telemigcelular.com.br (Marcelo Assis)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:50:07 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about archiving HTML messages
Message-ID: <010a01c28fda$f3f075e0$e22d830a@CELULAR.COM.BR>

Hi all,

We currently have 2 moderated lists and we are migrating them to a mailman
server. Everything is already set and working, but when we were importing
the mbox message archives we found out that mailman (pipermail?) didnt
accepted the HTML in the messages, and since they are educational lists, we
make a very intensive and important use of HTML, like bold and italics, to
enhance the didatics.

We would like to know if there is any configuration or change that could be
done to mailman so that it would import the HTML messages, and also accept
the new incoming HTML messages.

If not, we would like to know if there is any archiving tool (Hypermail????)
out there that would handle this kind of formatting.

We'd greatly appreciate any kind of help!

thanks a lot, all the best!

marcelo



From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Tue Nov 19 15:50:50 2002
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:50:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RedHat and Mailman - recommendation
Message-ID: <3DDA4FCA.10506@mitre.org>

Hello,

I have a RedHat 8 server that is currently not being used for any email.

I also ended up with a mailman install, but I would like to test the beta.

Given that I would have to check the Sendmail configs and get that working
first, I am also interested in checking out Postfix.

Has anyone already done this, and are there specific gotchas to avoid, or
recommendations on specific packages?  This is not a production environment.

My basic plan of attack would be to reomve the Sendmail rpms and mailman rpm
that are currently installed, then install the latest Postfix (1.1.11 I
downloaded last week) and Mailman (2.1b4).

Thanks in advance for any guidance.

-- 
John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Nov 19 16:02:14 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 19 Nov 2002 10:02:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Servers for a List?
In-Reply-To: <20021119091753.GH14390@buzz.ichilton.co.uk>
References: <20021119091753.GH14390@buzz.ichilton.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1037718139.1609.36.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 04:17, Ian Chilton wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have a domain with 2 master mx servers and I want to run mailman on
> both so if 1 is down, the mailing lists still work. I have not setup
> mailman yet, but have subscribed to quite a few lists using it.
> 
> Does anyone have a similar setup?

Most folks do this via NFS.  They setup a primary mailserver then a
secondary that only kicks in if the heartbeat of the primary is
interrupted. The Mailman setup is stored in a home directory that is
mounted via NFS to both servers.

You could do the same thing via rsynch, though you should exempt certain
directories (like qfiles and data)

> 
> I was thinking the best way would be to alias listserv at domain.com (or
> whatever) to listserv at server1.domain.com and listserv at server2.domain.com
> so when a command (like subscribe/unsubscribe) was received, it would go
> to both.
> 
> Then, I thought about the web interface that made me choose
> mailman....so, I wondered if the subscription info was stored in a text
> file? - if so I could do an hourly rsync of it... but this is not ideal
> as the subscription info is out of date for up to an hour (or I waste
> bandwidth doing more rsync's). Or, what if one server was down - it will
> keep trying to rsync.
> 
> 
> Does mailman have any features to handle this?
> 
> 
> If not, it should have some feature to specify a backup list server and
> whenever a change is made to a list setting, it mails the specified
> address for this backup list server to update the info.
> 
> 
> Also, while i'm on - we currently have the list running from mdaemon on
> a windows box (just because we never had time to migrate it when we
> switched from windows to unix a while back). I can get it to mail me
> with a list of subscribers - can I just dump this straight into the
> mailman file or do I have to manually subscribe them all 1 by 1?

You can cut and paste the email addresses (one per line) into the web
admin tool and subscribe whole lists at one shot.  You can also store
the email addresses (one per line, and *only* the email address) and
then use user_add to add the list of users to an existing mailing list.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes



From jchum at aismedia.com  Tue Nov 19 14:25:49 2002
From: jchum at aismedia.com (Jonathan Chum)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:25:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any other mailing list software?
Message-ID: <01c001c28fcf$2dc01340$cd1b9642@atlp.aismedia.com>

Hi,

One of our clients which we put them on Mailman finds the administration of
the list very unfriendly and complex. They are now questioning whether there
are any other applications comparable to Mailman's performance, but more
user friendly. Even if it costs them $$$. The only problem though is that
they do not want to be hosted by a company such as Topica, but on their own
dedicated machine to blast these emails through.

Is there any other software someone can recommend?


Regards,
Jonathan Chum
Systems Developer

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A I S   M e d i a ,  I n c .
"We Build eBusinesses"
115 Perimeter Center Terrace
Suite 540
Atlanta, GA 30346
Tel: 800.784.0919, Ext 502 / Fax: 678.382.2471
http://www.aismedia.com / jchum at aismedia.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Nov 19 16:06:59 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 19 Nov 2002 10:06:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about archiving HTML messages
In-Reply-To: <010a01c28fda$f3f075e0$e22d830a@CELULAR.COM.BR>
References: <010a01c28fda$f3f075e0$e22d830a@CELULAR.COM.BR>
Message-ID: <1037718423.1613.38.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Pipermail is not going to be of much help to you.  Try MHonArc. It will
do exactly what you want and works well with Mailman.

On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 09:50, Marcelo Assis wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> We currently have 2 moderated lists and we are migrating them to a mailman
> server. Everything is already set and working, but when we were importing
> the mbox message archives we found out that mailman (pipermail?) didnt
> accepted the HTML in the messages, and since they are educational lists, we
> make a very intensive and important use of HTML, like bold and italics, to
> enhance the didatics.
> 
> We would like to know if there is any configuration or change that could be
> done to mailman so that it would import the HTML messages, and also accept
> the new incoming HTML messages.
> 
> If not, we would like to know if there is any archiving tool (Hypermail????)
> out there that would handle this kind of formatting.
> 
> We'd greatly appreciate any kind of help!
> 
> thanks a lot, all the best!
> 
> marcelo
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From frinaudo at eurosquare.com  Tue Nov 19 16:10:24 2002
From: frinaudo at eurosquare.com (Franco Rinaudo)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:10:24 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any other mailing list software?
In-Reply-To: <01c001c28fcf$2dc01340$cd1b9642@atlp.aismedia.com>
References: <01c001c28fcf$2dc01340$cd1b9642@atlp.aismedia.com>
Message-ID: <59425.212.68.196.82.1037718624.squirrel@mail.eurosquare.com>

Have a look at Communigate Pro (http://www.stalker.com) $$$$

Franco Rinaudo

=======================================================

> Hi,
>
> One of our clients which we put them on Mailman finds the administration
> of the list very unfriendly and complex. They are now questioning
> whether there are any other applications comparable to Mailman's
> performance, but more user friendly. Even if it costs them $$$. The only
> problem though is that they do not want to be hosted by a company such
> as Topica, but on their own dedicated machine to blast these emails
> through.
>
> Is there any other software someone can recommend?
>
>
> Regards,
> Jonathan Chum
> Systems Developer
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> A I S   M e d i a ,  I n c .
> "We Build eBusinesses"
> 115 Perimeter Center Terrace
> Suite 540
> Atlanta, GA 30346
> Tel: 800.784.0919, Ext 502 / Fax: 678.382.2471
> http://www.aismedia.com / jchum at aismedia.com
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> This message was sent to: frinaudo at eurosquare.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/frinaudo%40eurosquare.com






From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Nov 19 16:13:48 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 19 Nov 2002 10:13:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RedHat and Mailman - recommendation
In-Reply-To: <3DDA4FCA.10506@mitre.org>
References: <3DDA4FCA.10506@mitre.org>
Message-ID: <1037718832.1609.46.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Red Hat has a nice website for 8.0 users that want to move to Postfix. I
suggest you read it.  Red Hat 8.0 comes setup for use with Postfix
(though Sendmail is the default MTA).

Also, be sure that you load the Python-Dev rpm as Mailman needs some
basic Python modules that Red Hat has decided to only include in the Dev
RPM.  Go  figure.

If you do that, you are sure to wind up a happy man when you install
Mailman.

Good Luck.

Jon Carnes
===
On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 09:50, John DeCarlo wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have a RedHat 8 server that is currently not being used for any email.
> 
> I also ended up with a mailman install, but I would like to test the beta.
> 
> Given that I would have to check the Sendmail configs and get that working
> first, I am also interested in checking out Postfix.
> 
> Has anyone already done this, and are there specific gotchas to avoid, or
> recommendations on specific packages?  This is not a production environment.
> 
> My basic plan of attack would be to reomve the Sendmail rpms and mailman rpm
> that are currently installed, then install the latest Postfix (1.1.11 I
> downloaded last week) and Mailman (2.1b4).
> 
> Thanks in advance for any guidance.
> 
> -- 
> John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From kmccann at bellanet.org  Tue Nov 19 16:20:02 2002
From: kmccann at bellanet.org (Kevin McCann)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:20:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any other mailing list software?
In-Reply-To: <01c001c28fcf$2dc01340$cd1b9642@atlp.aismedia.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20021119101743.0330fcf0@mail.idrc.ca>

At 08:25 AM 19/11/02 -0500, Jonathan Chum wrote:
>Hi,
>
>One of our clients which we put them on Mailman finds the administration of
>the list very unfriendly and complex. They are now questioning whether there
>are any other applications comparable to Mailman's performance, but more
>user friendly. Even if it costs them $$$. The only problem though is that
>they do not want to be hosted by a company such as Topica, but on their own
>dedicated machine to blast these emails through.

As far as commercial apps go, ListManagerSQL by Lyris is probably the 
stand-out product. Extremely fast, flexible and configurable. But expensive.

- Kevin



  



From peed at zarquon.net  Tue Nov 19 16:25:44 2002
From: peed at zarquon.net (Andy Peed)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:25:44 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Variable for sender's email?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0211190920590.16188-100000@mail.zarquon.net>

Apologies if I have missed this in the archives...

I have a mailing list in which replies are by default directed back to the
list. I place a header on each message which indicates this and asks that
the To: line be changed if the reply is to be sent only to the sender.

I have been asked if the sender's email address could be placed into that
header specifically. Is there a variable I can use to do that?

Thanks...

-- Andy




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Nov 19 16:52:40 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 19 Nov 2002 10:52:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Servers for a List?
In-Reply-To: <20021119152020.GA23718@debian.n2vip.dyndns.org>
References: <20021119091753.GH14390@buzz.ichilton.co.uk>
	<1037718139.1609.36.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> 
	<20021119152020.GA23718@debian.n2vip.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <1037721164.1613.54.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

> > You can also store the email addresses (one per line, and *only* the email
> > address) and then use user_add to add the list of users to an existing
> > mailing list.
> 
> That sounds good - would they just get the default options?
> 
> What about a password for the web interface?
> 
> 
Using the web interface, the users would simply get the default
settings.  If you use the web interface, you should add the non-standard
users first, so that you can simply down the list and make changes to
each row - then save them. Afterwords add the users who use the default
settings.

If you don't use the web-interface then you can use the command line to
add users and set them up as either normal users or digest users.

The web interface allows for a site-wide password or the individual
lists admin password for access.  Individual users also have a password
that is mailed to them and allows that individual to modify their own
settings.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes



From john at io.com  Tue Nov 19 17:24:45 2002
From: john at io.com (John Buttery)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:24:45 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migration questions (majordomo, MHonArc,
	Yahoo!Groups)
In-Reply-To: <1037653124.1613.14.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <OF89A83C05.D8D0FF28-ON86256C75.006A1F4B@na.jci.com>
	<1037653124.1613.14.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20021119162445.GA12632@io.com>

* Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com> [2002-11-18 15:58:37 -0500]:
> (though MHonArch may one day be the archiver that is included with
> Mailman...)

  For the record, I second that hope... :) 

-- 
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From cupsal at cyberwolf.com  Tue Nov 19 17:44:22 2002
From: cupsal at cyberwolf.com (Chip Upsal)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:44:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how can one edit the welcome_msg?
Message-ID: <3019863CF306D211BA4500A0CC30812DB4C180@exchange.cyberwolf.com>



thank you,

Chip


From jeremyp at pobox.com  Tue Nov 19 17:54:48 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 19 Nov 2002 11:54:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] msg_header help
In-Reply-To: <009d01c28f94$a32c0ca0$6701a8c0@edu.ranch>
References: <009d01c28f94$a32c0ca0$6701a8c0@edu.ranch>
Message-ID: <1037724896.16301.1.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 01:26, Tim Crouch wrote:
> I am trying to configure the msg_header to include the recipients email address.  Is this possible?
> 
> I basically  want:
> 
> Dear recipient at blah.com.......
> 
> If anyone can help, it would be greatly appreciated.

What version of mailman are you using?
This is not possible in versions 2.0.x because mail is delivered in
bulk.
You might be able to do it with the new "personalization" aspects of
2.1beta, but I'm not sure; the personalization options might apply to
the messages headers, and footer only.

--Jeremy



From jeremyp at pobox.com  Tue Nov 19 18:01:39 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 19 Nov 2002 12:01:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Installation
In-Reply-To: 
	<8C2CC3E3AA09284EA73C305B2D25F59968EB60@exet.tron.am.fciconnect.com>
References: 
	<8C2CC3E3AA09284EA73C305B2D25F59968EB60@exet.tron.am.fciconnect.com>
Message-ID: <1037725302.16301.6.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Mon, 2002-11-18 at 16:39, Bodnyk, Bruce W wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I'm trying to get Mailman 2.0.13 running. I believe I followed the
> installation
> instructions correctly however the cron job that runs sends me the following
> error messages. Any idea what I need to do to fix it.
> 

Have you run the check_perms script to be sure permissions are all
correct?
Have you setup exim properly?  See the README.EXIM file in the mailman
distribution and make sure you have a sane setup.

--Jeremy



From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Nov 19 18:13:46 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:13:46 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Carriage Return in Archives
In-Reply-To: Message from John DeCarlo <jdecarlo@mitre.org>
   of "Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:36:00 EST." <3DDA3E40.1030502@mitre.org>
References: <8b.207c14fa.2aff3acf@aol.com> <3DD54971.1060302@mitre.org>
	<1193.1037393687@kanga.nu>  <3DDA3E40.1030502@mitre.org>
Message-ID: <14146.1037726026@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:36:00 -0500
John DeCarlo <jdecarlo at mitre.org> wrote:
> J C Lawrence wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:22:25 -0500 John DeCarlo wrote:

>> 1) Not everybody uses a windowing interface.

> Why would this be important?  I can turn on word wrap on a VT100.
> Automatic word wrap has been available in every kind of interface for
> decades.

And in the case of email, wisely not used.

>> 2) Not all text is prose

> So?

Mostly that's a comment on the semantics of reflowing being intensely
content sensitive.

> I guess I should have been more precise.  Any decent MUA over the past
> 10-20 years should not insert extra characters in the user's message.

The definition of "extra" is very subjective.  My tendency there would
be to state that the sending MUA should send the message *exactly* as
the author composed it, and that the receiving MUA should do its best to
present it in the same form.

> If the user wants to put in a line break after every word, or only
> after every 1000 word paragraph, that is the user's decision.

Absolutely.

> If the user wants to have a fancy looking poem with words centered,
> that should be a user decision.

Quite, and then the receiving MUA displays what was sent, as it was
sent.  Should the receiving MUA be configured to alter that default
presentation, then, again, that is the receiver's option, and he earns
any trouble and problem he thus incurs.

>> 3) Not all text can be reflowed without losing data.

> Exactly.  You want it reflowed when the MUA creates the email message.

No, I don't give a rat's arse about reflowing one way or the other.  I
want the author to compose the message as he sees fit, the sending MUA
to respect that, and the receiving MUA to default to honouring that
sender's decisions.

> I disagree.  Let the receiver decide how to view it.  Then the
> receiver can turn on word wrap at 30 characters or 72 or 185 or not
> every turn it on at all.

Text email predates (effectively) the use of markup languages, and thus
depends on tight coupling between sender and receiver as to format and
presentation.  Its a function of tacit agreements.  Richtext, HTML, etc,
don't suffer that particular limitation (but come with others).  You get
to pick.

>> Nope.  This argument was fought and quite properly lost almost 20
>> years ago.

> No.

We disagree.  I argued it at the time (and lost).

--
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From barry at python.org  Tue Nov 19 18:14:15 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:14:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RedHat and Mailman - recommendation
References: <3DDA4FCA.10506@mitre.org>
	<1037718832.1609.46.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <15834.29031.444042.654375@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "JC" == Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com> writes:

    JC> Also, be sure that you load the Python-Dev rpm as Mailman
    JC> needs some basic Python modules that Red Hat has decided to
    JC> only include in the Dev RPM.  Go figure.

Specifically, Mailman needs distutils and RH decided that distutils
should go in the python-devel package.  IMO, that's a mistake.

Note that MM2.1b5's configure script will complain loudly if distutils
isn't available.  That's at least an improvement over a broken
installation.

-Barry


From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Nov 19 18:55:50 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:55:50 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spurious ImportError stopping the qrunner
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021119143810.0370e008@pop.ftel.co.uk>

I have a hitherto stable Mailman server currently running MM 2.0.13 with 
Python 2.2.1, both built from source, under Suse 7.3 (kernel 2.4.10-4GB)

When I say stable I mean the server has been running without problems for 
over twelve months, handling light/medium levels of traffic for 450 lists. 
The only interruptions have been for the odd MM or Python or OS update. 
Also an occasional rehearsal of up primary-to-backup switchover procedure.. 
The current configuration has been untouched since August and the only 
recent interruption of service was due to an untidy reboot about 10 days 
ago after we had a total loss of mains power and the UPS batteries ran out 
before the mains came back.

At around 01:30 this morning, the qrunner began failing. It was reported as 
a python ImportError exception when $prefix/Mailman/Utils called form 
$prefix/cron/qrunner executed the code line 'from UserDict import UserDict'

This was a showstopper and not the sort of problem that passes unnoticed 
for long.

I spent several frantic hours of trying figure out what had gone wrong. I 
switched service to our identical backup server (the MM python code and 
data are held on NFS mounts from our Auspex server and we have a rehearsed 
and fairly quick procedure for swapping the primary and backup machine 
identities using DHCP) . No avail. A final last ditch reinstall of both 
Python and Mailman from source code on the current primary server and the 
qrunner was still failing in the same way.

I then stumbled across a UserDict.pyc file in the $prefix/Mailman 
directory; just a .pyc, no matching .py

But, I thought, UserDict.pyc resides in /usr/local/lib/python2.2/, it being 
a standard library module. That UserDict.pyc was in its proper place.

After removing the 'extra' UserDict.py from $prefix/Mailman the qrunner 
started working normally.

During the investigation of the problem I found that, when running python 
from the command line, executing 'from UserDict import UserDict' as 
expected worked if and only if it had not been preceded by an import of 
MM's paths.py which inserts $prefix at the start of the sys.path. Which I 
thought was pretty weird but maybe the 'extra' UserDict.pyc has that effect.

What I cannot explain is why a UserDict.pyc file popped up in the 
$prefix/Mailman directory, presumably in the middle of last night, when the 
service interruption started. Unfortunately, I deleted rather than renamed 
that 'extra' UserDict.pyc so the evidence is gone; my justification is that 
I was in something of a rush to get Mailman back on air before our user 
community lynched me.

I'm inclined to rule out some malicious modification of the system. The MM 
server is dedicated to running Mailman, resides in a locked computer room, 
has a private IP number, resides inside a well structured firewall, only 
gets its mail from our primary mail server after virus checking and I can 
find no sign of tampering with the system from inside or outside our domain.

Has anybody else experienced anything similar to this or have any idea how 
this problem arose?

Any advice or help welcome. I just want to avoid another morning of blind 
panic resulting from this sort of problem.



From dgp at labmetro.ufsc.br  Tue Nov 19 19:34:08 2002
From: dgp at labmetro.ufsc.br (Daniel Provin)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:34:08 -0200 (BRST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman instalation
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L.0211191622110.14750-100000@labmetro.ufsc.br>

I have installed mailman on the network, but when I create a new list, it
only send mail to the local users, any subcribed users outside my local
network do not get any copy of the mails.

I found this error on sendmail:
Nov 19 16:26:15 labmetro sendmail[14864]: gAJIQ5C14864: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<danielprovin at yahoo.com>, relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1], reject=551 5.7.1 we do not relay

danielprovin at yahoo.com is the external email, so I think it may be the
relay setting on the mailman configuration, or in my local relay setting?

Daniel



From barry at python.org  Tue Nov 19 19:44:35 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:44:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1 beta 5
Message-ID: <15834.34451.968216.159620@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


I've released Mailman 2.1 beta 5, and upgraded the python.org server
to run this version, so with this announcement you are seeing its
effects. :) Everything seems to be cruising along smoothly, so
hopefully we'll have better luck with this version than with 2.1b4.

See below for a list of changes since 2.1b4.  Lots of bug fixes, u/i
tweaks, and added support for Estonian.

Be sure to read the IMPORTANT note in the change file below.  If
you're seeing horrible performance with Pipermail archives under
2.1b4, there is a fix available but you will have to take some manual
steps.

Enjoy,
-Barry

-------------------- snip snip --------------------
2.1 beta 5 (19-Nov-2002)

    As is typical for a late beta release, this one includes the usual
    bug fixes, tweaks, and massive new features (just kidding).

    IMPORTANT: If you are using Pipermail, and you have any archives
    that were created or added to in 2.1b4, you will need to run
    bin/b4b5-archfix, followed by bin/check_perms to fix some serious
    performance problems.  From you install directory, run
    "bin/b4b5-archfix --help" for details.

    - The personalization options have been tweaked to provide more
      control over mail header and decoration personalizations.  In
      2.1b4, when personalization was enabled, the To and Cc headers
      were always overwritten.  But that's usually not appropriate for
      anything but announce lists, so now these headers aren't changed
      unless "Full personalization" is enabled.

    - You now need to go to the General category to enable emergency
      moderation.

    - The order of the hold modules in the GLOBAL_PIPELINE has
      changed, again.  Now Moderate comes before Hold.

    - Estonian language support has been added.

    - All posted messages should now get decorated with headers and
      footers in a MIME-safe way.  Previously, some MIME type messages
      didn't get decorated at all.

    - bin/arch grew a -q/--quiet option

    - bin/list_lists grew a -b/--bare option


From tcrouch at du.edu  Tue Nov 19 21:26:08 2002
From: tcrouch at du.edu (Tim Crouch)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:26:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] logfile questions
Message-ID: <009c01c29009$e4b70420$5fe8fd82@edu.ranch>

All -
    I have the following entry in my maillog:

Nov 19 12:11:20 ourmailhost sendmail[2032]: gAJJAISD002009: to=someuser at someplace.edu>,<someeuser2 at somplace.edu,<someuser3 at someplace.edu>, delay=00:00:57, xdelay=00:00:07, mailer=esmtp, pri=15109263, relay=mail.someplace.edu. [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (gAJJBIc02198 Message accepted for delivery)

Obviously I've sanitized the entry, but the deal is that there are multiple (up to 25) addresses for one message.  Is this a function of mailman or sendmail?

Thanks again!
Tim
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From jeremyp at pobox.com  Tue Nov 19 21:06:11 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 19 Nov 2002 15:06:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] logfile questions
In-Reply-To: <009c01c29009$e4b70420$5fe8fd82@edu.ranch>
References: <009c01c29009$e4b70420$5fe8fd82@edu.ranch>
Message-ID: <1037736375.16400.52.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 15:26, Tim Crouch wrote:
> All -
>     I have the following entry in my maillog:
> 
> Nov 19 12:11:20 ourmailhost sendmail[2032]: gAJJAISD002009: to=someuser at someplace.edu>,<someeuser2 at somplace.edu,<someuser3 at someplace.edu>, delay=00:00:57, xdelay=00:00:07, mailer=esmtp, pri=15109263, relay=mail.someplace.edu. [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (gAJJBIc02198 Message accepted for delivery)
> 
> Obviously I've sanitized the entry, but the deal is that there are multiple (up to 25) addresses for one message.  Is this a function of mailman or sendmail?

Well, it's a function of both.  Since usually the messages being sent
out are identical (unless you're using 2.1b and have personalization
turned on), mailman gives multiple recipient addresses to the MTA at
once.  This is done by specifying RCPT TO multiple times (if using
SMTP); it saves work on the part of both mailman and sendmail.

You can change the maximum number of recipients; see the following
excerpt from Defaults.py  (mailman 2.0.13)

# Ceiling on the number of recipients that can be specified in a single
SMTP
# transaction.  Set to 0 to submit the entire recipient list in one
# transaction.  Only used with the SMTPDirect DELIVERY_MODULE.
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500


Hope this helps,
Jeremy



From dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us  Tue Nov 19 22:15:56 2002
From: dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us (Parker, David K)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:15:56 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Edit html MM-variables
Message-ID: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC806@cobxchg.cobnet.org>

Where can I find a list of the available MM-variables to use in editing the
html pages? I'm looking for a more obvious one for list owner. Basically I'm
creating an Announce only list and wish to include verbage on who to report
problems to. I wish to use a variable in case the list owner address
changes.

Thanks,

David Parker


From jchum at aismedia.com  Tue Nov 19 23:08:22 2002
From: jchum at aismedia.com (Jonathan Chum)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:08:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Front End for Mailman
Message-ID: <020801c29018$2d3d92a0$cd1b9642@atlp.aismedia.com>

I was wondering if there are any nice front ends for Mailman that would
allow complete list administration via the browser. That would be sending
out HTML/TEXT emails, attachments, etc. all via the web interface. They
would be able to view statistics of their list, number of subscribers,
number of unsubscribers, etc.

I haven't see anything like that but I may have overlooked something, but
there is, I'd like to know about it.

Also, off the topic of this email, but can Mailman run off of a mySQL
database?

Regards,
Jonathan Chum
Systems Developer

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From barry at python.org  Tue Nov 19 23:19:12 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:19:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spurious ImportError stopping the qrunner
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20021119143810.0370e008@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <15834.47328.594166.880920@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "RB" == Richard Barrett <R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk> writes:

    RB> I then stumbled across a UserDict.pyc file in the
    RB> $prefix/Mailman directory; just a .pyc, no matching .py

    RB> But, I thought, UserDict.pyc resides in
    RB> /usr/local/lib/python2.2/, it being a standard library
    RB> module. That UserDict.pyc was in its proper place.

    RB> After removing the 'extra' UserDict.py from $prefix/Mailman
    RB> the qrunner started working normally.

Very very strange.  I can't think of any reason why a normally
functioning Python and/or Mailman should ever cause such a file to be
dropped in that directory.  pyc files are byte-code cache files --
they should only ever be written to the same directory that contains
the py file, and even then only when the py is newer than the pyc.

Both Python's and Mailman's installation procedure includes
byte-compiling all the py files, so there normally shouldn't be an
occasion to write a new UserDict.pyc file.  I also can't think of any
known Python bug which would account for this.

    RB> Unfortunately, I deleted rather than renamed that 'extra'
    RB> UserDict.pyc so the evidence is gone

Dang.  It would have been nice to know the modtimes on that file,
esp. in relation to your Python and Mailman installations.  Hopefully
those gremlins are now bothering some poor Perl user and you'll never
have the problem again. :)

-Barry

P.S.

    RB> I have a hitherto stable Mailman server currently running MM
    RB> 2.0.13 with Python 2.2.1, both built from source, under Suse
    RB> 7.3 (kernel 2.4.10-4GB)

    RB> When I say stable I mean the server has been running without
    RB> problems for over twelve months, handling light/medium levels
    RB> of traffic for 450 lists.

This is quite encouraging! :)


From dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us  Tue Nov 19 23:39:17 2002
From: dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us (Parker, David K)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:39:17 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Edit html MM-variables?
Message-ID: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC809@cobxchg.cobnet.org>

I think I found the configurable variables in a file called HTMLFormatter.py
. 

            '<mm-mailman-footer>' : self.GetMailmanFooter(),
            '<mm-list-name>' : self.real_name,
            '<mm-email-user>' : self._internal_name,
            '<mm-list-description>' : self.description,
            '<mm-list-info>' : string.join(string.split(self.info, '\n'),
                                           '<br>'),
            '<mm-form-end>'  : self.FormatFormEnd(),
            '<mm-archive>'   : self.FormatArchiveAnchor(),
            '</mm-archive>'  : '</a>',
            '<mm-list-subscription-msg>' : self.FormatSubscriptionMsg(),
            '<mm-restricted-list-message>' : \
                self.RestrictedListMessage('current archive',
                                           self.archive_private),
            '<mm-num-reg-users>' : `member_len`,
            '<mm-num-digesters>' : `dmember_len`,
            '<mm-num-members>' : (`member_len + dmember_len`),
            '<mm-posting-addr>' : '%s' % self.GetListEmail(),
            '<mm-request-addr>' : '%s' % self.GetRequestEmail(),
            '<mm-owner>' : self.GetAdminEmail(),
            '<mm-reminder>' : self.FormatReminder(),
            '<mm-host>' : self.host_name,

Thanks,
David

-----Original Message-----
From: David 
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 11:19 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Edit html MM-variables?


Where can I find a list of the available MM-variables to use in editing the
html pages? I'm looking for a more obvious one for list owner. Basically I'm
creating an Announce only list and wish to include verbage on who to report
problems to. I wish to use a variable in case the list owner address
changes.

Thanks,

David Parker


From d.richards at qut.edu.au  Wed Nov 20 00:56:16 2002
From: d.richards at qut.edu.au (David Richards)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:56:16 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Servers for a List?
Message-ID: <3ddacfa0.10ec6b.14125@imap.qut.edu.au>

?> I have a domain with 2 master mx servers and I want to run
>?mailman on > both so if 1 is down, the mailing lists still work.
>?I have not setup > mailman yet, but have subscribed to quite a
>?few lists using it. > 
>?> Does anyone have a similar setup?
>?
>?Most folks do this via NFS.  They setup a primary mailserver then
>?a secondary that only kicks in if the heartbeat of the primary is
>?interrupted. The Mailman setup is stored in a home directory that
>?is mounted via NFS to both servers.


Are there any guides on setting up mailman in this fashion??  We are
looking at doing the same here for greater availability.  

Is it possible to set up so that both mailman installations can run at the
same time??  Active-Active??  Otherwise, what is the best way to do the
'heart beat'?

Dave.

Dave Richards
Project Manager (Messaging)
Information Technology Services
Queensland University of Technology


From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov 20 01:25:30 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 19 Nov 2002 19:25:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman instalation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L.0211191622110.14750-100000@labmetro.ufsc.br>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44L.0211191622110.14750-100000@labmetro.ufsc.br>
Message-ID: <1037751934.1613.61.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Definitely your MTA.  If you are running sendmail on Red Hat then the
file you need to modify is /etc/mail/access.  Add:
  localhost.localdomain    RELAY
  localhost                RELAY
  127.0.0.1                RELAY

That should cover everything!

Good Luck.  

On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 13:34, Daniel Provin wrote:
> I have installed mailman on the network, but when I create a new list, it
> only send mail to the local users, any subcribed users outside my local
> network do not get any copy of the mails.
> 
> I found this error on sendmail:
> Nov 19 16:26:15 labmetro sendmail[14864]: gAJIQ5C14864: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<danielprovin at yahoo.com>, relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1], reject=551 5.7.1 we do not relay
> 
> danielprovin at yahoo.com is the external email, so I think it may be the
> relay setting on the mailman configuration, or in my local relay setting?
> 
> Daniel
> 
> 
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> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov 20 02:26:28 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 19 Nov 2002 20:26:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Servers for a List?
In-Reply-To: <3ddacfa0.10ec6b.14125@imap.qut.edu.au>
References: <3ddacfa0.10ec6b.14125@imap.qut.edu.au>
Message-ID: <1037755595.1609.154.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

There are several ways to set this up.  Here are two examples that I've
done:

 - Front end the servers with an LVS cluster and run the servers in your
DMZ.  The LVS cluster acts as a firewall and connects a user to an
active internal server (one of many in its list) based on either an ip
address or a port.  If one of the internal servers stops responding then
the LVS cluster will only direct new requests to the servers that are
still responding.

 - Run redundant external servers. One server is the primary and runs
all the requests. This server is maxed out with all the hardware needed
to handle peak loads and growth for a few years. The other server is the
secondary and is setup to handle the current normal load. You run a
heartbeat program on the servers and write a script to bring up the
secondary when the heartbeat is lost from the Primary.  In this case the
Secondary runs multiple IP Addresses - running it's own set, plus it
takes over the Primaries IP Addresses on failure of the heartbeat.

You can write your own heartbeat program which is as simple as a ping,
or you can use one of the stock Linux services that automatically does
this sort of thing for you (sorry, I can't remember the name of any at
this time, but Google is your friend - a good starting point is the LVS
project).

On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 18:56, David Richards wrote:
>  > I have a domain with 2 master mx servers and I want to run
> > mailman on > both so if 1 is down, the mailing lists still work.
> > I have not setup > mailman yet, but have subscribed to quite a
> > few lists using it. > 
> > > Does anyone have a similar setup?
> > 
> > Most folks do this via NFS.  They setup a primary mailserver then
> > a secondary that only kicks in if the heartbeat of the primary is
> > interrupted. The Mailman setup is stored in a home directory that
> > is mounted via NFS to both servers.
> 
> 
> Are there any guides on setting up mailman in this fashion??  We are
> looking at doing the same here for greater availability.  
> 
> Is it possible to set up so that both mailman installations can run at the
> same time??  Active-Active??  Otherwise, what is the best way to do the
> 'heart beat'?
> 
> Dave.
> 
> Dave Richards
> Project Manager (Messaging)
> Information Technology Services
> Queensland University of Technology
> 
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
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From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Wed Nov 20 02:53:51 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:53:51 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Carriage Return in Archives
In-Reply-To: <3DDA3E40.1030502@mitre.org>
References: <1193.1037393687@kanga.nu> <3DDA3E40.1030502@mitre.org>
Message-ID: <20021120015351.GJ31890@hq.newdream.net>

John DeCarlo wrote:
> J C Lawrence wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:22:25 -0500 John DeCarlo  wrote:
 
> I guess I should have been more precise.  Any decent MUA over the past
> 10-20 years should not insert extra characters in the user's message.
> If the user wants to put in a line break after every word, or only
> after every 1000 word paragraph, that is the user's decision.  If the
> user wants to have a fancy looking poem with words centered, that
> should be a user decision.

What's a decent MUA that *doesn't* wrap at around 72 characters? Whether
or not you like it, at least as far as technical mailing lists and
Usenet go, you're supposed to wrap at < 80 characters for email messages
and Usenet posts.

Pine, Mozilla, Eudora, Apple mail and Netscape, and most other mailers
I've used all do this by default.  OE doesn't always seem to, but we all
know about how great a mailer it is.... Most people don't use the
builtin editor in Mutt, and ELM doesn't have one AFAIK - but most people
who use these mailers configure their editors to wrap.
 
I had an argument with a co-worker about this -- and in the middle of
the argument pointed out that his mailer (Apple Mail) was (correctly)
doing the very thing he was advocating against.

>> 3) Not all text can be reflowed without losing data.

> Exactly.  You want it reflowed when the MUA creates the email message.
> I disagree.  Let the receiver decide how to view it.  Then the
> receiver can turn on word wrap at 30 characters or 72 or 185 or not
> every turn it on at all.

The only sensible way to deal with this problem is to use flowed text
(like Eudora, Mozilla and Apple Mail). Mutt supports this too, but there
aren't any console based editors which can do this yet AFAIK.

If you read the RFC for format=flowed text, you'll see that it
specifically recommends wrapping at ~72 characters except in certain
cases.

    http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2646.txt

    3.

    The Text/Plain media type is the lowest common
    denominator of Internet email, with lines of no more
    than 997 characters (by convention usually no more than
    80), and where the CRLF sequence represents a line break
    [MIME-IMT].
    
    [...]

    4.1.  Generating Format=Flowed

    When generating Format=Flowed text, lines SHOULD be
    shorter than 80 characters.  As suggested values, any
    paragraph longer than 79 characters in total length
    could be wrapped using lines of 72 or fewer characters.
    While the specific line length used is a matter of
    aesthetics and preference, longer lines are more likely
    to require rewrapping and to encounter difficulties with
    older mailers.  It has been suggested that 66 character
    lines are the most readable.

    [...]

    A generating agent SHOULD NOT insert white space into a
    word (a sequence of printable characters not containing
    spaces).  If faced with a word which exceeds 79
    characters (but less than 998 characters, the [SMTP]
    limit on line length), the agent SHOULD send the word as
    is and exceed the 79-character limit on line length.

>>> It is really a kludge to force the sender to put in line breaks
>>> every 72 characters.

>> Nope.  This argument was fought and quite properly lost almost 20
>> years ago.

> No.  The result back then was "it is more polite to word wrap at
> sending time because so many brain-damaged message viewers are out
> there.  But it is still a messy and hopefully short-lived kludge."

Well the convention is still to use the lowest common denominator and
wrap at < 80 characters (generally 72-74).

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From d.richards at qut.edu.au  Wed Nov 20 06:17:41 2002
From: d.richards at qut.edu.au (David Richards)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:17:41 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Servers for a List?
Message-ID: <3ddb1af5.eb79b.9983@imap.qut.edu.au>

How about ACTIVE-ACTIVE sharing the same installation via an NFS mount (or
possibly shared storage in a cluster)?

D.

>?There are several ways to set this up.  Here are two examples
>?that I've done:
>?
>? - Front end the servers with an LVS cluster and run the servers
>?in your DMZ.  The LVS cluster acts as a firewall and connects a
>?user to an active internal server (one of many in its list) based
>?on either an ip address or a port.  If one of the internal
>?servers stops responding then the LVS cluster will only direct
>?new requests to the servers that are still responding.
>?
>? - Run redundant external servers. One server is the primary and
>?runs all the requests. This server is maxed out with all the
>?hardware needed to handle peak loads and growth for a few years.
>?The other server is the secondary and is setup to handle the
>?current normal load. You run a heartbeat program on the servers
>?and write a script to bring up the secondary when the heartbeat
>?is lost from the Primary.  In this case the Secondary runs
>?multiple IP Addresses - running it's own set, plus it takes over
>?the Primaries IP Addresses on failure of the heartbeat. 
>?You can write your own heartbeat program which is as simple as a
>?ping, or you can use one of the stock Linux services that
>?automatically does this sort of thing for you (sorry, I can't
>?remember the name of any at this time, but Google is your friend
>?- a good starting point is the LVS project).
>?
>?On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 18:56, David Richards wrote:
>?>  > I have a domain with 2 master mx servers and I want to run
>?> > mailman on > both so if 1 is down, the mailing lists still
>?work. > > I have not setup > mailman yet, but have subscribed to
>?quite a > > few lists using it. > 
>?> > > Does anyone have a similar setup?
>?> > 
>?> > Most folks do this via NFS.  They setup a primary mailserver
>?then > > a secondary that only kicks in if the heartbeat of the
>?primary is > > interrupted. The Mailman setup is stored in a home
>?directory that > > is mounted via NFS to both servers.
>?> 
>?> 
>?> Are there any guides on setting up mailman in this fashion?? 
>?We are > looking at doing the same here for greater availability.
>?  > 
>?> Is it possible to set up so that both mailman installations can
>?run at the > same time??  Active-Active??  Otherwise, what is the
>?best way to do the > 'heart beat'?
>?> 
>?> Dave.
>?> 
>?> Dave Richards
>?> Project Manager (Messaging)
>?> Information Technology Services
>?> Queensland University of Technology
>?> 
>?> ------------------------------------------------------
>?> Mailman-Users mailing list
>?> Mailman-Users at python.org
>?> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>?> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>?> Searchable Archives:
>?http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/ > 
>?> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
>?> Unsubscribe or change your options at
>?>
>?http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc at nc.rr.com
>?
>?

Dave Richards
Project Manager (Messaging)
Information Technology Services
Queensland University of Technology


From karma at dit.gov.bt  Wed Nov 20 06:32:23 2002
From: karma at dit.gov.bt (karma)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:32:23 +0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Emergency!!
Message-ID: <001e01c29056$34664520$9700a8c0@dit.gov.bt>

Dear frenz,
- I use RedHat7.2 and i have mailman -2.0.13-1 with Namazu search.
- I have made newlist after installation for trial. it was working fine.
-Very recently i have again made a new list and so many people have joined. But i cannot see any archives after the approval of the articles.
-In the server i have checked the archives for newlist and there isn't anything.
!! so how can i make it possible?
please help me.. my frenz are firing my ass...


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From arif at welfarelaw.org  Wed Nov 20 06:59:53 2002
From: arif at welfarelaw.org (Arif Mamdani)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:59:53 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question related to parent lists
Message-ID: <49EF6702-FC4D-11D6-A6C8-0003939CD46E@welfarelaw.org>

Hey folks,
I've been beating my head against the wall on this one for a while, and 
could really use a few fresh sets of eyeballs on the following:

At my job, we're running a number of lists for ourself and other 
organizations working on similar issues.  We've started to get 
complaints about people getting duplicate postings because we've 
reached a level where people are subscribed to multiple lists that we 
host, and folks are cross posting to lists fairly frequently.  My first 
instinct was to look at setting up either a parent list, but I've come 
up against the fact that while the parent list would avoid recipients 
getting duplicate messages, it would entail creating a new list, and we 
want to avoid that because we'd like to be able retain the "credit" for 
where the message originally came from -- in other words, if I've got a 
parent list whose members are made of lists a at somewhere.org, 
b at somewhere.org, and c at somewhere.org, we'd like to retain the prepended 
text that's added when someone sends a message to one of the child 
lists, in large part to be able to identify to all recipients which 
organization's responsible for the post.

It seems to me that we want something that's like a combination of the 
umbrella and parent lists in one big fancy package, but I can't for the 
life of me figure out how that would work.  From what I've been able to 
sort out, there are two separate issues.  The first is maintaining the 
text that's prepended to the subject line of list messages.  The second 
is the fact that there's no common thread whereby a message should be 
flagged for delivery to the parent list instead of the individual list 
-- if there were, I'd use a procmail recipe and be done with it.

At this point, I'm wondering if this is even possible, mostly because 
issue two seems insurmountable, but partially because of issue one.

So, i'd love to get and ideas anyone has on how to approach this -- is 
there something I'm not seeing here?  Am I making this more complicated 
then it should be?  Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.

-arif



From fish at livingsky.net  Wed Nov 20 07:31:47 2002
From: fish at livingsky.net (fish)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:31:47 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help unsubscribing members
Message-ID: <FFEHJKDOKCCPDELMCLCAKEHGDGAA.fish@livingsky.net>

I have several people listed on one of my lists that are giving me problems
(not the people, just their addresses). I have tried to unsubscribe the
member, but mailman tells me that they are not a member. On the
admin/membership page, their address shows up in the subscribed members
list, and when I run list_members from the prompt, their name is in the
list. I notice that they, and others that mailman says are not members all
have their address with a colon after (eg foo at bar.com : )on the memberlist
page.

Does anyone know how I can remove these addresses from the list that mailman
says they are not on? (only one is a problem, but there are several
addresses with the colon afterward which mailman tells me are not subscribed
to that list)

Robert Lydiate
icon at accesscomm.ca



From wash at wananchi.com  Wed Nov 20 08:48:43 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:48:43 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman+Exim+Virtual Domains - this may help someone
Message-ID: <20021120074843.GF2377@ns2.wananchi.com>

DISCLAIMER:

I HAVE NOT TESTED THESE INSTRUCTIONS SO DON'T BLAME ME. I AM GOING TO
TEST THEM JUST LIKE YOU.

Since this question is asked so many times on this list, I thought I
should share this with the others. Credits to Alexandrov, not me.


http://www.isber.ucsb.edu/~randall/exim/config.samples/C041


        cheers
       - wash 
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http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/		. 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St.,  |
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From mailinglist at ichilton.co.uk  Wed Nov 20 10:07:50 2002
From: mailinglist at ichilton.co.uk (Ian Chilton)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:07:50 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Servers for a List?
In-Reply-To: <1037755595.1609.154.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <3ddacfa0.10ec6b.14125@imap.qut.edu.au>
	<1037755595.1609.154.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20021120090750.GB4436@buzz.ichilton.co.uk>

Hello,

> There are several ways to set this up.  Here are two examples that I've
> done:

Thanks for the reply. However this doesn't really answer my origional
question - how do you keep the subscription information in sync across
the multiple servers?


Thanks!


Bye for Now,

Ian


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From karma at dit.gov.bt  Wed Nov 20 11:55:14 2002
From: karma at dit.gov.bt (karma)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:55:14 +0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Create NewList?
Message-ID: <00fb01c29083$4f5a03d0$9700a8c0@dit.gov.bt>

How can I create additional mailing lists? 
My server is Redhat7.2..
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From alvitar at xavax.com  Wed Nov 20 13:13:05 2002
From: alvitar at xavax.com (Phillip L. Harbison)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:13:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migration questions (majordomo,
	MHonArc,Yahoo!Groups)
Message-ID: <3DDB7C51.8090004@xavax.com>

Arlen Walker wrote:
 > Ok, this may be too elementary, but you *do* realize MHonarc works
 > perfectly well with Mailman, don't you?

I saw a reference to external archivers in the documentation,
but I have not pursued that option.

 > So the reason you want to switch over to Pipermail is.....?

There are several.

[1] I want most of my archives to be private.  The way I'm currently
     doing this with MHonarc is setting up a user in my web server
     (Netscape Enterprise) and broadcasting the password to the list.
     I prefer the use Mailman's user authentication.

[2] I like the way Pipermail automatically breaks the archives up
     by {month,quarter,year} and creates an index of indexes.  My
     larger MHonarc archives get rather cumbersome.

[3] I like the way Mailman/Pipermail obscures the email addresses,
     although it could be better.

[4] I'd prefer to maintain only one package.

If these are not valid reasons, please clue me in.

Jon Carnes wrote:
 > MHonArch has many superior features that will probably never make
 > it into Pipermail [...]

Would you kindly elaborate on these superior features?  I've been
using MHonArc for about a year and I don't see much difference.
I've spent a fair amount of time hacking MHonarc configuration
files and I'm still not completely satisfied.  Pipermail does what
I want out of the box.

-- 
Phil Harbison




From alvitar at xavax.com  Wed Nov 20 13:17:29 2002
From: alvitar at xavax.com (Phillip L. Harbison)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:17:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] single sign-on
Message-ID: <3DDB7D59.5060003@xavax.com>

Is there a way to link a user's subscriptions to multiple lists so
that they have a common password and only have to give the password
once?  I have a group of about 10 lists that I manage for my church.
Most people are on several lists.  It would be nice if they could
have one password and only sign on once.

-- 
Phil Harbison



From Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com  Wed Nov 20 14:58:42 2002
From: Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com (Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:58:42 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migration questions (majordomo,
	MHonArc,Yahoo!Groups)
Message-ID: <OF7E8072D5.E84832B5-ON86256C77.004A426C@na.jci.com>

>[1] I want most of my archives to be private.  The way I'm currently
>     doing this with MHonarc is setting up a user in my web server
>     (Netscape Enterprise) and broadcasting the password to the list.
>     I prefer the use Mailman's user authentication.
>
>[2] I like the way Pipermail automatically breaks the archives up
>     by {month,quarter,year} and creates an index of indexes.  My
>     larger MHonarc archives get rather cumbersome.
>
>[3] I like the way Mailman/Pipermail obscures the email addresses,
>     although it could be better.
>
>[4] I'd prefer to maintain only one package.
>
>If these are not valid reasons, please clue me in.

Three of the four are subjective, so there's no sense in addressing them.
You are welcome to your opinions, and of course "because I want to" is a
valid reason. As I said, my question was an elementary one; I just wondered
if you realized you didn't have to switch simply because Pipermail was
included in Mailman while MHonArc was not. I'm not an apologist for one or
the other. As for myself, I went to the trouble of tracking down MHonArc
and installing it because the included Pipermail couldn't do what I needed
done, namely archive MIME attachments along with the message. I understand
someday soon that feature will be in the Mailman/Pipermail releases, but I
couldn't wait for it.

Reason #1, the only one not stated as a personal preference, is addressed
in Mailman FAQ 3.7:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.007.htp

Using the supplied script to build the .htaccess file from the mailman
password list will control access to the archives, whether they are
produced by Pipermail, Hypermail, MHonArc, or even if you prepared them by
hand.

Have fun,
Arlen
Chief Managing Director In Charge, Department of Redundancy Department
DNRC 224

Arlen.P.Walker at JCI.Com
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If JCI had an opinion on this, they'd hire someone else to deliver it.



From alberto at marcedone.it  Wed Nov 20 15:13:01 2002
From: alberto at marcedone.it (Alberto Marcedone)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:13:01 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message footer
Message-ID: <00c301c2909e$f148ae60$6401a8c0@marcedon.it>

You can give me the code for the message footer of this list?
Regards.
Alberto




From gosha at arvid.ee  Wed Nov 20 16:04:05 2002
From: gosha at arvid.ee (Dmitri Gofmekler)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:04:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can not approve message sent outside the list.
Message-ID: <000801c290a6$11e5f810$1a1eb4d5@lazer>

Hello,

Have a following problem with 2.0.13. When someone who not member
sending mail to closed only for members list, administrator can not
approve this message. Can someone make and advice.

drwxrwx---    2 mailman  mailnull     4096 Nov 18 17:01 qfiles
Users mailman and apache are members of group mailnull.

The error in the log is following:



Nov 18 20:25:08 2002 admin(23604):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(23604): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.13 -----]
admin(23604): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(23604): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(23604):   File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(23604):     main()
admin(23604):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 112, in
main
admin(23604):     HandleRequests(mlist, doc, cgidata)
admin(23604):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 297, in
HandleRequests
admin(23604):     preserve, forward, forwardaddr)
admin(23604):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 130, in
HandleRequest
admin(23604):     forward, addr)
admin(23604):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 221, in
__handlepost
admin(23604):     msg.Enqueue(self, newdata=msgdata)
admin(23604):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 176, in
Enqueue
admin(23604):     dbfp = Utils.open_ex(dbfile, 'w')
admin(23604):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 601, in
open_ex
admin(23604):     fd = os.open(filename, flags, perms)
admin(23604): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/spool/mailman/qfiles/02c9b38c1afcb74b72e521320faf938a91f17544.db'
admin(23604): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(23604): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, Apr  3 2002, 18:16:26)  [GCC
2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.2 2
admin(23604): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(23604): sys.prefix     = /usr
admin(23604): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
admin(23604): sys.path       = /usr
admin(23604): sys.platform   = linux-i386
admin(23604): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(23604):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/html
admin(23604):   SERVER_ADDR: 212.215.216.217
admin(23604):   HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate
admin(23604):   REMOTE_HOST: dh.maildomain.com
admin(23604):   CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
admin(23604):   PATH_TRANSLATED: /var/www/html/humor
admin(23604):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.23 (Unix)  (Red-Hat/Linux)
mod_ssl/2.8.7 OpenSSL/0.9.6b PHP/4.2.2 mod_perl/1.26
admin(23604):   GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(23604):   HTTP_COOKIE:
humor:admin=2802000000697330d93d7328000000353339333863373334643531666161
31
666432623266316435653132623865333764626333636265; chuckmIMPlang=en
admin(23604):   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en,ru;q=0.7,et;q=0.3
admin(23604):   REMOTE_ADDR: 213.214.215.216
admin(23604):   SERVER_PORT: 443
admin(23604):   HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(23604):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0;
Windows NT 5.1; Q312461; .NET CLR 1.0.3705)
admin(23604):   HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint,
application/msword, */*
admin(23604):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admindb/humor
admin(23604):   HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL: no-cache
admin(23604):   QUERY_STRING:
admin(23604):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(23604):   HTTPS: on
admin(23604):   CONTENT_LENGTH: 6651
admin(23604):   HTTP_HOST: somehost.maildomain.com
admin(23604):   REQUEST_METHOD: POST
admin(23604):   SERVER_SIGNATURE: <aDDRESS>Apache/1.3.23 Server at
somehost.maildomain.com Port 443</ADDRESS>

admin(23604):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admindb
admin(23604):   SERVER_ADMIN: webmaster at maildomain.com
admin(23604):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /var/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb
admin(23604):   PYTHONPATH: /var/mailman
admin(23604):   PATH_INFO: /humor
admin(23604):   HTTP_REFERER:
https://somehost.maildomain.com/mailman/admindb/humor
admin(23604):   SERVER_NAME: somehost.maildomain.com
admin(23604):   REMOTE_PORT: 3426



From don at adelphi.edu  Wed Nov 20 16:10:40 2002
From: don at adelphi.edu (Don Becker)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:10:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Eliminating access to the web interface/unsubscribing
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.44.0211200958470.7854-100000@panther.adelphi.edu>

I have a perfect happy Mailman installation that handles several mailing
lists.  Recently, my boss came to me to ask if I knew of a way to set up a
mailing list under Mailman where the users cannot unsubscribe.  Presumably
all membership management would be handled by the list admin via the web
interface.

Any ideas?

--Don

-- 
Don Becker              don at adelphi.edu              http://www.donbecker.org
Network System Administrator, Adelphi University       http://www.adelphi.edu




From seyman at acticiel.com  Wed Nov 20 16:46:29 2002
From: seyman at acticiel.com (Emmanuel Seyman)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:46:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Eliminating access to the web
	interface/unsubscribing
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.44.0211200958470.7854-100000@panther.adelphi.edu>
References: <Pine.OSF.4.44.0211200958470.7854-100000@panther.adelphi.edu>
Message-ID: <20021120154629.GA1820@acticiel.com>

On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 10:10:40AM -0500, Don Becker wrote:
>
> I have a perfect happy Mailman installation that handles several mailing
> lists.  Recently, my boss came to me to ask if I knew of a way to set up a
> mailing list under Mailman where the users cannot unsubscribe.

I'm afraid I don't know the answer to your question but I would
really like to know why the fsck someone would want to have a
mailing list where the users can't *unsubscribe* .

Emmanuel


From mark at good-stuff.co.uk  Wed Nov 20 16:54:24 2002
From: mark at good-stuff.co.uk (Mark Goodge)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:54:24 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Eliminating access to the web
  interface/unsubscribing
In-Reply-To: <20021120154629.GA1820@acticiel.com>
References: <Pine.OSF.4.44.0211200958470.7854-100000@panther.adelphi.edu>
 <Pine.OSF.4.44.0211200958470.7854-100000@panther.adelphi.edu>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20021120155045.00a979b0@pop.good-stuff.co.uk>

At 16:46 20/11/2002 +0100, Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
>On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 10:10:40AM -0500, Don Becker wrote:
> >
> > I have a perfect happy Mailman installation that handles several mailing
> > lists.  Recently, my boss came to me to ask if I knew of a way to set up a
> > mailing list under Mailman where the users cannot unsubscribe.

The answer to this is "no". You can disable the web interface but, short of 
editing the code, you can't remove the ability of users to unsubscribe by 
email. The documentation suggests that, if this is what you want, the best 
option is to simply set it so that you get automatic notifications of 
anyone unsubscribing.

>I'm afraid I don't know the answer to your question but I would
>really like to know why the fsck someone would want to have a
>mailing list where the users can't *unsubscribe* .

If you wanted to use Mailman (or any other list manager) to handle internal 
"all staff" mails instead of just using a cc list or alias expansion, then 
you want to stop people unsubscribing. You wouldn't, obviously, want to do 
this for external mailing lists.

Mark



From kocurek at kocurek.eu.org  Wed Nov 20 16:55:15 2002
From: kocurek at kocurek.eu.org (Jacek Wojaczynski)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:55:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] e-mail address change?
Message-ID: <20021120155514.GD25343@kocurek.eu.org>

Hi!

How can I change e-mail address of a user subscribed to some
mailing list?

Do I have to unsubscribe user and subsribe him/her again?
Then he/she would see the "good-bye message" and again
"welcome-message". I'd like to do it more silently :-)

Maybe there is some faster/better solution?

PS I am using Mailman 2.0.13
-- 
kocurek


From twitch at nervestaple.com  Wed Nov 20 17:42:40 2002
From: twitch at nervestaple.com (Chris Miles)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:42:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I set up a vritual host on Mailman?
Message-ID: <1595E598-FCA7-11D6-A4D7-000393439C7E@nervestaple.com>

Hello,

I manage mailing lists for several domains. I have just finished 
installing Mailman 2.1b4 and I having trouble finding documentation on 
virtual hosting. The information in the Defaults.py files isn't getting 
me there.

I wanted the list to send e-mail with the virtual domain in the mail 
addresses. This part works fine and was configurable from the web 
interface.

I would like the web administration interface available from the 
virtual domain's web space (i.e. 
http://virtualdomain.com/mailman/listinfo/list1). This mostly works, 
however, there are several links in the web interface that link back to 
the "real" web space (i.e. 
http://machinehostname.com/mailman/listinfo/list1). I do not know how 
to fix this.

The last issue has to do with the welcome message. The addresses in the 
message reflect the virtual host, but the URL's do not. Again, I do not 
know how to fix this.

My mm_cfg.py file contains the following directives:

	add_virtualhost( 'virtualdomain.com', 'virtualdomain.com' )

I'm pretty sure that I need more than this, but I don't know what. Any 
help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You,
-- Miles



From john at io.com  Wed Nov 20 18:02:17 2002
From: john at io.com (John Buttery)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:02:17 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Eliminating access to the web
	interface/unsubscribing
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.44.0211200958470.7854-100000@panther.adelphi.edu>
References: <Pine.OSF.4.44.0211200958470.7854-100000@panther.adelphi.edu>
Message-ID: <20021120170217.GA32279@io.com>

* Don Becker <don at adelphi.edu> [2002-11-20 10:10:40 -0500]:
> I have a perfect happy Mailman installation that handles several mailing
> lists.  Recently, my boss came to me to ask if I knew of a way to set up a
> mailing list under Mailman where the users cannot unsubscribe.  Presumably
> all membership management would be handled by the list admin via the web
> interface.

  The only situations where the inability to unsub would be acceptable,
as far as I can see, are situations where the list admin has some kind
of authorization to force the list members to be subscribed.  So
therefore, wouldn't it make sense that the consequences of breaking the
rule of said authorization be the only restriction you'd need?

  To put it in English, "Unsubscribe from this staff list and you're
fired."  :p 

-- 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov 20 20:44:06 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 20 Nov 2002 14:44:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Servers for a List?
In-Reply-To: <3ddb1af5.eb79b.9983@imap.qut.edu.au>
References: <3ddb1af5.eb79b.9983@imap.qut.edu.au>
Message-ID: <1037821450.5517.5.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

I would worry about locking on the databases.  Mailman handles this via
a lock file in a common directory, so it should work even in
active-active, but you would still only have one mailman process able to
run on a list at one time.  In other words, I don't think you would get
much better performance out of the dual system since only one at time
would have access to the list databases.

It would be fun to try it out!

On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 00:17, David Richards wrote:
> How about ACTIVE-ACTIVE sharing the same installation via an NFS mount (or
> possibly shared storage in a cluster)?
> 
> D.
> 




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov 20 20:50:11 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 20 Nov 2002 14:50:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Servers for a List?
In-Reply-To: <20021120090750.GB4436@buzz.ichilton.co.uk>
References: <3ddacfa0.10ec6b.14125@imap.qut.edu.au>
	<1037755595.1609.154.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> 
	<20021120090750.GB4436@buzz.ichilton.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1037821815.5517.9.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

If you actually have individual databases driving each install (as
opposed to a shared database via NFS or some other tool), then you could
easily setup some scripts to keep the databases in sync.  You could use
the log files as your trigger, or even simple periodic diffs of each
individual database.

It would take a couple of hours to write a set of scripts that did it
generically, but then you would set!

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 04:07, Ian Chilton wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> > There are several ways to set this up.  Here are two examples that I've
> > done:
> 
> Thanks for the reply. However this doesn't really answer my origional
> question - how do you keep the subscription information in sync across
> the multiple servers?
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> Bye for Now,
> 
> Ian
> 
> 
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>  |        Those who understand binary, and those who don't.        |
>  \-----------------------------------------------------------------/
> 




From david at gof.se  Wed Nov 20 21:12:51 2002
From: david at gof.se (David)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:12:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce_matching_headers...no matching_body
Message-ID: <BA01AB53.3845%david@gof.se>

Dear gurus,

Is it possible to discard mail with a certain message body in 2.1b5

I use a sanitizer to filter out some attachments on all my incoming mail. I
want my local users to get the message below when an attachment is stripped,
but I want to spare my listmembers the infomation...

*****
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it contained a windows executableor other potentially dangerous file
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From tcrouch at du.edu  Wed Nov 20 23:53:45 2002
From: tcrouch at du.edu (Tim Crouch)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:53:45 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I approve a mailing from the command line?
Message-ID: <018601c290e7$ae513d40$5fe8fd82@edu.ranch>

I am in transition with my list from one server to another and the current webserver is not accessible... is there a way to approve a mailing to a moderated list either via command line or by changing a config setting to allow only the list owner to send without approval?

Tim Crouch
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From alvitar at xavax.com  Wed Nov 20 23:02:45 2002
From: alvitar at xavax.com (Phillip L. Harbison)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:02:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Migration questions
	(majordomo,MHonArc,Yahoo!Groups)
Message-ID: <3DDC0685.2090908@xavax.com>

Arlen Walker wrote:
 >>Phil Harbison wrote:
>>[1] I want most of my archives to be private. [...]
>>[2] I like the way Pipermail automatically breaks the archives up
>>     by {month,quarter,year} and creates an index of indexes.  My
>>     larger MHonarc archives get rather cumbersome.
>>[3] I like the way Mailman/Pipermail obscures the email addresses,
>>     although it could be better.
>>[4] I'd prefer to maintain only one package.
 >>
>>If these are not valid reasons, please clue me in.
> 
> Three of the four are subjective, so there's no sense in addressing them.

I don't see how #2 and #3 are subjective.  Can Mhonarc automatically
break up the archive indexes by month?  If so, can you tell me how
to do that?  I'm currently using the MHonarc configuration file to
obscure addresses by adding ".nospam" to the end of the address, but
that is fairly easy to defeat.  Pipermail changes the '@' to "%40".
Is there a way to get MHonarc to do that too?

 > I'm not an apologist for one or the other.

DoOd?  I'm not asking anyone to be an apologist.  I'm new to MM
and relatively new to MHonArc, I'm just looking for advice.  Like
I said, if my reasons are not valid, clue me in! :-)

 > As for myself, I went to the trouble of tracking down MHonArc
 > and installing it because the included Pipermail couldn't do what
 > I needed done, namely archive MIME attachments along with the message.

Good point.  This is not a requirement for any of my lists.  We
prefer to strip and discard any attachments.

 > Reason #1, the only one not stated as a personal preference, is
 > addressed in Mailman FAQ 3.7:

Thanks.  I will look into that.

Does anyone have any data on the relative performance of MHonarc
and Pipermail?  One thing I like about MHonarc is I can collect
messages and process them in a batch.  For some of my busy lists,
I process a batch every 5 minutes rather than processing messages
as they are received.  I have not figured out how to do this with
Pipermail.  BTW, I'll be happy to post my MHonarc queueing scripts
if anyone is interested.

-- 
Phil Harbison





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov 20 23:20:12 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 20 Nov 2002 17:20:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] single sign-on
In-Reply-To: <3DDB7D59.5060003@xavax.com>
References: <3DDB7D59.5060003@xavax.com>
Message-ID: <1037830816.5747.4.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

If you move up to the 2.1B5 version of mailman then you can use an SQL
database to store the list information and membership information.  Then
with some judicious use of SQL commands you can set the users to all use
the same passwords.

You can actually do the same thing using the 2.0.x version of Mailman
but that would require you to write in Python.

Maybe I should write a password management utility for use with Mailman?

Good Luck - Jon Carnes
 

On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 07:17, Phillip L. Harbison wrote:
> Is there a way to link a user's subscriptions to multiple lists so
> that they have a common password and only have to give the password
> once?  I have a group of about 10 lists that I manage for my church.
> Most people are on several lists.  It would be nice if they could
> have one password and only sign on once.
> 
> -- 
> Phil Harbison
> 
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov 20 23:31:09 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 20 Nov 2002 17:31:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Eliminating access to the web
	interface/unsubscribing
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20021120155045.00a979b0@pop.good-stuff.co.uk>
References: <Pine.OSF.4.44.0211200958470.7854-100000@panther.adelphi.edu>
	<Pine.OSF.4.44.0211200958470.7854-100000@panther.adelphi.edu> 
	<5.0.2.1.2.20021120155045.00a979b0@pop.good-stuff.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1037831473.5743.11.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

You can definitely disable the web interface, but what I do is simply
edit the web page for that particular list and remove that option from
the web page.

Also, you can definitely remove the <listname>-request alias so that no
email requests are handled by the automated services.  In this case I
would point that alias to <listname>-owner and let the owner of the list
handle the emailed requests by hand.

If you are more sophisticated you can front-end the <listname>-request
alias with a procmail script (or a simply a grep) that dumps any
unsubscribe attempts.

In that way, you can gain what you desire!  Remember that when you go
Open Source the answer is: You Can Do It!

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 10:54, Mark Goodge wrote:
> At 16:46 20/11/2002 +0100, Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
> >On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 10:10:40AM -0500, Don Becker wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a perfect happy Mailman installation that handles several mailing
> > > lists.  Recently, my boss came to me to ask if I knew of a way to set up a
> > > mailing list under Mailman where the users cannot unsubscribe.
> 
> The answer to this is "no". You can disable the web interface but, short of 
> editing the code, you can't remove the ability of users to unsubscribe by 
> email. The documentation suggests that, if this is what you want, the best 
> option is to simply set it so that you get automatic notifications of 
> anyone unsubscribing.
> 
> >I'm afraid I don't know the answer to your question but I would
> >really like to know why the fsck someone would want to have a
> >mailing list where the users can't *unsubscribe* .
> 
> If you wanted to use Mailman (or any other list manager) to handle internal 
> "all staff" mails instead of just using a cc list or alias expansion, then 
> you want to stop people unsubscribing. You wouldn't, obviously, want to do 
> this for external mailing lists.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov 20 23:55:39 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 20 Nov 2002 17:55:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce_matching_headers...no matching_body
In-Reply-To: <BA01AB53.3845%david@gof.se>
References: <BA01AB53.3845%david@gof.se>
Message-ID: <1037832942.5743.14.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

A few folks do this by fronting their lists with a Procmail script, or
using some other mail add-on like SpamAssassin.

On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 15:12, David wrote:
> Dear gurus,
> 
> Is it possible to discard mail with a certain message body in 2.1b5
> 
> I use a sanitizer to filter out some attachments on all my incoming mail. I
> want my local users to get the message below when an attachment is stripped,
> but I want to spare my listmembers the infomation...
> 
> *****
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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From dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us  Thu Nov 21 00:03:38 2002
From: dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us (Parker, David K)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:03:38 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce only list
Message-ID: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC817@cobxchg.cobnet.org>

We are wanting to create an announce only list for upcoming events in our
City. In looking at mailman, it appears the standard welcome message can be
prepended with some text, but you cannot customize the entire message for a
specific list. We particulary want to cut out the wording about how to post
to the list, since posting will not be permitted. What are the standard
procedures for setting up an announce only list without effecting the
welcome message for every other list on the same server? I'm sure there is a
simple way that I'm overlooking.

Thanks,

David Parker
Systems/Network Administrator
Information Technology Services
City of Bryan, Texas
dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us


From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Nov 21 00:11:11 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 20 Nov 2002 18:11:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Migration questions
	(majordomo,MHonArc,Yahoo!Groups)
In-Reply-To: <3DDC0685.2090908@xavax.com>
References: <3DDC0685.2090908@xavax.com>
Message-ID: <1037833875.5743.29.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 17:02, Phillip L. Harbison wrote:
>>Phil Harbison wrote:
> >>[1] I want most of my archives to be private. [...]
> >>[2] I like the way Pipermail automatically breaks the archives up
> >>     by {month,quarter,year} and creates an index of indexes.  My
> >>     larger MHonarc archives get rather cumbersome.
> >>[3] I like the way Mailman/Pipermail obscures the email addresses,
> >>     although it could be better.
> >>[4] I'd prefer to maintain only one package.
>  >>
> >>If these are not valid reasons, please clue me in.
> > 
> > Three of the four are subjective, so there's no sense in addressing them.
> 
> I don't see how #2 and #3 are subjective.  Can Mhonarc automatically
> break up the archive indexes by month?  If so, can you tell me how
> to do that?  I'm currently using the MHonarc configuration file to
> obscure addresses by adding ".nospam" to the end of the address, but
> that is fairly easy to defeat.  Pipermail changes the '@' to "%40".
> Is there a way to get MHonarc to do that too?
> 

Not sure about adjusting the indexing - that will probably take some
modification of the Source; however, the email address munging is fairly
easy to accomplish via a separate script that is kicked off by cron.
This is especially easy if all you want to do is replace any occurance
of "@" with "%40":
   sed 's/@/.a.t./g' filenam > filenam.rm_at




From d.richards at qut.edu.au  Thu Nov 21 00:31:26 2002
From: d.richards at qut.edu.au (David Richards)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:31:26 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Servers for a List?
Message-ID: <3ddc1b4e.147afa.21341@imap.qut.edu.au>

Not so much of performance that will be a problem, but more of a
availability issue.  Yes, would be fun to try...

How about Ian's original idea, about keeping certain directories in sync?? 
Which directories would that have to be, and can a straight 'cp -R' acheive
the syncing??

Dave.


>?I would worry about locking on the databases.  Mailman handles
>?this via a lock file in a common directory, so it should work
>?even in active-active, but you would still only have one mailman
>?process able to run on a list at one time.  In other words, I
>?don't think you would get much better performance out of the dual
>?system since only one at time would have access to the list
>?databases. 
>?It would be fun to try it out!
>?
>?On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 00:17, David Richards wrote:
>?> How about ACTIVE-ACTIVE sharing the same installation via an
>?NFS mount (or > possibly shared storage in a cluster)?
>?> 
>?> D.
>?> 
>?
>?

Dave Richards
Project Manager (Messaging)
Information Technology Services
Queensland University of Technology


From ssharma at odc.net  Thu Nov 21 00:48:56 2002
From: ssharma at odc.net (Ajay Sharma)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:48:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] single sign-on
In-Reply-To: <1037830816.5747.4.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211201545450.31785-100000@centauri.odc.net>

On 20 Nov 2002, Jon Carnes wrote:

> If you move up to the 2.1B5 version of mailman then you can use an SQL
> database to store the list information and membership information.  
> Then with some judicious use of SQL commands you can set the users to
> all use the same passwords.

Are there any docs, howto's, examples of this??  I looked about a month 
ago to convert my lists to the latest beta but I couldn't find any 
information about the SQL stuff.  When I searched the mailing lists I 
only found people talking about it and not actually doing it.

later,
ajay

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From tkoo at OCF.Berkeley.EDU  Thu Nov 21 02:16:54 2002
From: tkoo at OCF.Berkeley.EDU (Tristan C. Koo)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:16:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't get reply messages fold under the original
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.44.0211201716350.20110-100000@conquest.OCF.Berkeley.EDU>

hi,

I just installed mailman and as I was testing it out, mailman wouldn't put
the any reply messages under the original message with an indentation.
It listed the reply message as a new entry and stripped the "Re:"
characters.  Any idea?

Tristan




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Nov 21 02:56:01 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 20 Nov 2002 20:56:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Servers for a List?
In-Reply-To: <3ddc1b4e.147afa.21341@imap.qut.edu.au>
References: <3ddc1b4e.147afa.21341@imap.qut.edu.au>
Message-ID: <1037843766.5743.45.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

If you are running two separate systems then you don't want to copy the
follow directories under ~mailman/:
  data   - where moderated messages are held
  locks  - where the locking files are created
  logs   - the local logs for the running Mailman system
  qfiles - queued up messages waiting to go out

The files in each of those directories will be used specifically for
messages that are being processed by the local Mailman system. 

You'll need a local web-site for each install so the moderated messages
can be handled.

To make things simpler, you could limit users (and admins) to modify the
list databases on only one of the two (or more) servers

You could could point all website directions to that one server (and
only one of the servers) and you could direct the <listname>-request
emails to that same server, and then let both servers field mail to the
lists.

Then you would simply have to do a one-way sync of the ~mailman/lists
directory from that one server out to your mirrors.  If you wanted the
archives as well, then you would have to sync the ~mailman/archives
directory as well.

Take care - Jon Carnes 

On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 18:31, David Richards wrote:
> Not so much of performance that will be a problem, but more of a
> availability issue.  Yes, would be fun to try...
> 
> How about Ian's original idea, about keeping certain directories in sync?? 
> Which directories would that have to be, and can a straight 'cp -R' acheive
> the syncing??
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> > I would worry about locking on the databases.  Mailman handles
> > this via a lock file in a common directory, so it should work
> > even in active-active, but you would still only have one mailman
> > process able to run on a list at one time.  In other words, I
> > don't think you would get much better performance out of the dual
> > system since only one at time would have access to the list
> > databases. 
> > It would be fun to try it out!
> > 
> > On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 00:17, David Richards wrote:
> > > How about ACTIVE-ACTIVE sharing the same installation via an
> > NFS mount (or > possibly shared storage in a cluster)?
> > > 
> > > D.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> Dave Richards
> Project Manager (Messaging)
> Information Technology Services
> Queensland University of Technology




From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Thu Nov 21 03:39:35 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:39:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Multiple Servers for a List?
In-Reply-To: <3ddc1b4e.147afa.21341@imap.qut.edu.au>
References: <3ddc1b4e.147afa.21341@imap.qut.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20021121023935.GE1754@hq.newdream.net>

David Richards wrote:
 
> How about Ian's original idea, about keeping certain directories in sync?? 
> Which directories would that have to be, and can a straight 'cp -R' acheive
> the syncing??

rsync might be better (and faster) than cp -R or cp -Rp.

I think using NFS would probably be better assuming that your nfs server
and kernel deal with locking properly, but I don't know how much risk
there would be with this method.

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Thu Nov 21 03:41:18 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:41:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
 HTML mail (was Re: Can I approve a mailing from the command line?)
In-Reply-To: <018601c290e7$ae513d40$5fe8fd82@edu.ranch>
References: <018601c290e7$ae513d40$5fe8fd82@edu.ranch>
Message-ID: <20021121024118.GF1754@hq.newdream.net>

Any chance the list admin could turn on the feature that gets rid of
HTML in this list? It's annoying to have multipart MIME messages with 3
parts (text / html / list footer) instead of one ascii text message.

Of course if people would just not send HTML mail to the list, that
would be even better, but we all know how likely that is to happen.

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From lists.ASkwar at email-server.info  Thu Nov 21 06:42:36 2002
From: lists.ASkwar at email-server.info (Alexander Skwar)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 06:42:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] See bounce message?
Message-ID: <20021121054236.GS8529@teich.Garten.DigitalProjects.com>

Hi!

Lately mails from my list to users of a certain domain keep on bouncing.
Is it possible for me, the list admin, to see the bounce message, so
that I might be able to fix the problem which is causing these bounces?

Thanks,

Alexander Skwar
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From mailinglist at ichilton.co.uk  Thu Nov 21 09:42:31 2002
From: mailinglist at ichilton.co.uk (Ian Chilton)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:42:31 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Servers for a List?
In-Reply-To: <1037843766.5743.45.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <3ddc1b4e.147afa.21341@imap.qut.edu.au>
	<1037843766.5743.45.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20021121084231.GA11756@buzz.ichilton.co.uk>

Hello,

> To make things simpler, you could limit users (and admins) to modify the
> list databases on only one of the two (or more) servers

That's what I was going to do.


> You could could point all website directions to that one server (and
> only one of the servers) and you could direct the <listname>-request
> emails to that same server, and then let both servers field mail to the
> lists.

And that :)


> Then you would simply have to do a one-way sync of the ~mailman/lists
> directory from that one server out to your mirrors.  If you wanted the
> archives as well, then you would have to sync the ~mailman/archives
> directory as well.

ok, i'll rsync them across every 1/2hr or so and hope that the main
server is not unavailable for the time before someone changing a
subscription and the next rsync :)


Are there any mailman developers around here? - a much better solution
would be to turn on a "backup server" option in the config file,
specifying the e-mail address of the list server on the backup server.
What should then happen if this is on, is whenever a list is changed
either with mail commands or the web interface, it should send a mail to
the backup server to make these same changes. This sounds very easy to
implement but would be very useful!


Thanks for your help!


Bye for Now,

Ian


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From mailing at htobias.de  Thu Nov 21 11:22:16 2002
From: mailing at htobias.de (Heiko Tobias)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:22:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron-Error
Message-ID: <NDBBJMCJCNLPJIBFHNCLMEHMGHAA.mailing@htobias.de>

Hi!

I am using Mailman 2.1B4. Anything works fine, but every day, there is an
error in my cron-job:

-----
Cron <mailman at stcweb> /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 26, in ?
    from email.Charset import Charset
ImportError: No module named Charset
-----

Whats wrong? ;)

Thanks for any help!!

Heiko




From d.richards at qut.edu.au  Thu Nov 21 11:48:10 2002
From: d.richards at qut.edu.au (David Richards)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:48:10 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Servers for a List?
Message-ID: <3ddcb9ea.16b33d.19612@imap.qut.edu.au>

>?Are there any mailman developers around here? - a much better
>?solution would be to turn on a "backup server" option in the
>?config file, specifying the e-mail address of the list server on
>?the backup server. What should then happen if this is on, is
>?whenever a list is changed either with mail commands or the web
>?interface, it should send a mail to the backup server to make
>?these same changes. This sounds very easy to implement but would
>?be very useful! 


Using the LDAP master/slave paradigm.  Even better would be to use the
Novell e-Directory method and have a 'peer' network.  So any updates
against any system in the peer-ring, will update (and make sure it happens
- receive confirmation) every other member in the peer group.

Sounds good - someone with a lot more time than me going to pick it up??

D.

Dave Richards
Project Manager (Messaging)
Information Technology Services
Queensland University of Technology


From stephane.mitchell at hp.com  Thu Nov 21 15:09:25 2002
From: stephane.mitchell at hp.com (MITCHELL,STEPHANE (HP-France,ex2))
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:09:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I approve "manually" waiting requests ?
Message-ID: <869A24EE1E5ED511A39900D0B708C770040EFF33@gauguin.france.hp.com>

Hi all,

I have some problems with my web interface.
How can I approve "manually" my waiting requests ?
Thank's for your help...

Stephane Mitchell


From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Nov 21 15:16:23 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 21 Nov 2002 09:16:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Servers for a List?
In-Reply-To: <20021121084231.GA11756@buzz.ichilton.co.uk>
References: <3ddc1b4e.147afa.21341@imap.qut.edu.au>
	<1037843766.5743.45.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> 
	<20021121084231.GA11756@buzz.ichilton.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1037888187.5386.14.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 03:42, Ian Chilton wrote:

> ok, i'll rsync them across every 1/2hr or so and hope that the main
> server is not unavailable for the time before someone changing a
> subscription and the next rsync :)

Create a file in the locking directory:
   qrunner.lock.moya.trilug.org.22845

That should lock out qrunner from accessing the lists while you do your
sync. Be sure to delete the lock file when your sync is done.
> 
> Are there any mailman developers around here? - a much better solution
> would be to turn on a "backup server" option in the config file,
> specifying the e-mail address of the list server on the backup server.
> What should then happen if this is on, is whenever a list is changed
> either with mail commands or the web interface, it should send a mail to
> the backup server to make these same changes. This sounds very easy to
> implement but would be very useful!

Mailman's logs are a rich resource for information on users
subscriptions and unsubscriptions.  You could easily setup some scripts
to populate the changes from one installation onto another one.

Of course that doesn't handle list configuration changes, but a simple
config_list dump could easily propagate those settings. 

Good Luck - Jon Carnes



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Nov 21 15:19:49 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 21 Nov 2002 09:19:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I approve "manually" waiting requests ?
In-Reply-To: 
	<869A24EE1E5ED511A39900D0B708C770040EFF33@gauguin.france.hp.com>
References: <869A24EE1E5ED511A39900D0B708C770040EFF33@gauguin.france.hp.com>
Message-ID: <1037888393.5386.18.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

You can do it via email. Send a text message to <listname>-request with
the line: help.  You'll receive a message back with a list of email-able
commands.

Good Luck


On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 09:09, MITCHELL,STEPHANE (HP-France,ex2) wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I have some problems with my web interface.
> How can I approve "manually" my waiting requests ?
> Thank's for your help...
> 
> Stephane Mitchell
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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From mail at freelock.com  Thu Nov 21 16:04:21 2002
From: mail at freelock.com (John Locke)
Date: 21 Nov 2002 07:04:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] single sign-on
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211201545450.31785-100000@centauri.odc.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211201545450.31785-100000@centauri.odc.net>
Message-ID: <1037891061.20282.4.camel@denali.freelock.com>

Wow. Storing user info in a SQL database is exactly a feature I need. I
was about to write a script to synchronize member data with a SQL
database--if I could store the member data there in the first place, I
won't need to write the script!

Where can I learn the details?

Cheers,
John


On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 15:48, Ajay Sharma wrote:
> On 20 Nov 2002, Jon Carnes wrote:
> 
> > If you move up to the 2.1B5 version of mailman then you can use an SQL
> > database to store the list information and membership information.  
> > Then with some judicious use of SQL commands you can set the users to
> > all use the same passwords.
> 
> Are there any docs, howto's, examples of this??  I looked about a month 
> ago to convert my lists to the latest beta but I couldn't find any 
> information about the SQL stuff.  When I searched the mailing lists I 
> only found people talking about it and not actually doing it.



From stephane.mitchell at hp.com  Thu Nov 21 16:15:08 2002
From: stephane.mitchell at hp.com (MITCHELL,STEPHANE (HP-France,ex2))
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:15:08 +0100
Subject: FW: [Mailman-Users] How can I approve "manually" waiting requests
	 ?
Message-ID: <869A24EE1E5ED511A39900D0B708C770040EFF35@gauguin.france.hp.com>

Hi all again,

I get the 'help' from <listname>-request... but nothing in to solve my
problem :o(

Any idea.

Stephane Mitchell

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:20 PM
To: MITCHELL,STEPHANE " "(HP-France,ex2)
Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org'
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How can I approve "manually" waiting
requests ?


You can do it via email. Send a text message to <listname>-request with
the line: help.  You'll receive a message back with a list of email-able
commands.

Good Luck


On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 09:09, MITCHELL,STEPHANE (HP-France,ex2) wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I have some problems with my web interface.
> How can I approve "manually" my waiting requests ?
> Thank's for your help...
> 
> Stephane Mitchell
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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From dmitri at arvid.ee  Mon Nov 18 19:40:33 2002
From: dmitri at arvid.ee (Dmitri Gofmekler)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:40:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can not approve the send to closed list request.
Message-ID: <000901c28f31$fb121170$1a1eb4d5@lazer>

Hello,

Have a following problem with 2.0.13. When someone who not member
sending mail to closed only for members list, administrator can not
approve this message. Can someone make and advice.

drwxrwx---    2 mailman  mailnull     4096 Nov 18 17:01 qfiles
Users mailman and apache are members of group mailnull.

The error in the log is following:



Nov 18 20:25:08 2002 admin(23604):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(23604): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.13 -----]
admin(23604): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(23604): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(23604):   File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(23604):     main()
admin(23604):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 112, in
main
admin(23604):     HandleRequests(mlist, doc, cgidata)
admin(23604):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 297, in
HandleRequests
admin(23604):     preserve, forward, forwardaddr)
admin(23604):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 130, in
HandleRequest
admin(23604):     forward, addr)
admin(23604):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 221, in
__handlepost
admin(23604):     msg.Enqueue(self, newdata=msgdata)
admin(23604):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 176, in
Enqueue
admin(23604):     dbfp = Utils.open_ex(dbfile, 'w')
admin(23604):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 601, in
open_ex
admin(23604):     fd = os.open(filename, flags, perms)
admin(23604): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/spool/mailman/qfiles/02c9b38c1afcb74b72e521320faf938a91f17544.db'
admin(23604): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(23604): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, Apr  3 2002, 18:16:26)  [GCC
2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.2 2
admin(23604): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(23604): sys.prefix     = /usr
admin(23604): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
admin(23604): sys.path       = /usr
admin(23604): sys.platform   = linux-i386
admin(23604): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(23604):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/html
admin(23604):   SERVER_ADDR: 212.215.216.217
admin(23604):   HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate
admin(23604):   REMOTE_HOST: dh.maildomain.com
admin(23604):   CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
admin(23604):   PATH_TRANSLATED: /var/www/html/humor
admin(23604):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.23 (Unix)  (Red-Hat/Linux)
mod_ssl/2.8.7 OpenSSL/0.9.6b PHP/4.2.2 mod_perl/1.26
admin(23604):   GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(23604):   HTTP_COOKIE:
humor:admin=2802000000697330d93d7328000000353339333863373334643531666161
31666432623266316435653132623865333764626333636265; chuckmIMPlang=en
admin(23604):   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en,ru;q=0.7,et;q=0.3
admin(23604):   REMOTE_ADDR: 213.214.215.216
admin(23604):   SERVER_PORT: 443
admin(23604):   HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(23604):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0;
Windows NT 5.1; Q312461; .NET CLR 1.0.3705)
admin(23604):   HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint,
application/msword, */*
admin(23604):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admindb/humor
admin(23604):   HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL: no-cache
admin(23604):   QUERY_STRING:
admin(23604):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(23604):   HTTPS: on
admin(23604):   CONTENT_LENGTH: 6651
admin(23604):   HTTP_HOST: somehost.maildomain.com
admin(23604):   REQUEST_METHOD: POST
admin(23604):   SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.23 Server at
somehost.maildomain.com Port 443</ADDRESS>

admin(23604):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admindb
admin(23604):   SERVER_ADMIN: webmaster at maildomain.com
admin(23604):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /var/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb
admin(23604):   PYTHONPATH: /var/mailman
admin(23604):   PATH_INFO: /humor
admin(23604):   HTTP_REFERER:
https://somehost.maildomain.com/mailman/admindb/humor
admin(23604):   SERVER_NAME: somehost.maildomain.com
admin(23604):   REMOTE_PORT: 3426



From pushka99 at mts.net  Mon Nov 18 08:45:21 2002
From: pushka99 at mts.net (Pushka)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 01:45:21 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wheres the subscribe box?
Message-ID: <001601c28ed6$76c89e80$6c0da18e@computer>

I am having problems with my mailing list. i have just set it up and I am confused on to where people go to subscribe. I didn't recall seeing any html that had to be pasted somewhere to get a subscribe box like other  companies. So how do they get added or request to be added.

Please help.

Pushka

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From Jared.Rhoads at FMR.COM  Tue Nov 19 14:20:44 2002
From: Jared.Rhoads at FMR.COM (Rhoads, Jared)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:20:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM for rented webspace?
Message-ID: <763C275E6A1C2248AFD475237AD6135B0263CB4C@MSGBOS576NTS.fmr.com>

Hello,

I am looking for a program that does exactly what MailMan does, and I
thought I had found it in MailMan, but then I realized I would need access
to the command line in order to run it.  I am using "rented webspace"
(through CQHost), and they don't offer telnet-ing.  Does anyone know of any
webscript-only adaptations of MailMan, or for that matter, any other
programs that can do the same thing?  I am really looking for the
self-(un)subscribe, thread lists, and digest features.

Thanks so much!
-Jared






From phillip.tompkins at fiducial.com  Tue Nov 19 14:39:50 2002
From: phillip.tompkins at fiducial.com (Tompkins, Phillip (Fiducial - US - Columbia))
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:39:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused')
Message-ID: <482B6F215CE1414392240477B5D912D01972FF@EXCHANGEVS1.fiducial.com>

Email is hitting the sendmail server but not going anywhere..  This is
what I see in the mailman post log

Nov 19 08:30:01 2002 (16660) post to mylist from
mylist-admin at ns2.fiducial.com, size=365, 1 failures
Nov 19 08:30:01 2002 (16660) post to mylist from
phillip.tompkins at fiducial.com, size=244, 2 failures
Nov 19 08:30:01 2002 (16660) post to mylist from
mylist-admin at ns2.fiducial.com, size=299, 1 failures
Nov 19 08:30:01 2002 (16660) post to mylist from
phillip.tompkins at fiducial.com, size=244, 2 failures
Nov 19 08:30:01 2002 (16660) post to mylist from
phillip.tompkins at fiducial.com, size=244, 2 failures
[mailman at ns2 logs]$ 

This is what I get in the mailman smtp log
Nov 18 16:30:01 2002 (5554) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
refused')
Nov 18 16:30:01 2002 (5554) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.056
seconds
Nov 18 16:30:01 2002 (5554) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
refused')
Nov 18 16:30:01 2002 (5554) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001
seconds
Nov 18 16:31:00 2002 (5587) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
refused')
Nov 18 16:31:00 2002 (5587) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.002
seconds
Nov 18 16:31:00 2002 (5587) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
refused')

And this is what I get in the /var/log/maillog
Nov 19 08:32:23 ns2 sendmail[16771]: gAJEWNM16771:
from=<someuser at fiducial.com>, size=679, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<482B6F215CE1414392240477B5D912D01972FE at EXCHANGEVS1.fiducial.com>,
proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=[10.50.0.61]
Nov 19 08:32:25 ns2 mailscanner[15105]: Scanning 1 messages, 1131 bytes 
Nov 19 08:32:26 ns2 mailscanner[15105]: Scanned 1 messages, 1131 bytes
in 1 seconds 
Nov 19 08:32:26 ns2 sendmail[16776]: gAJEWNM16771:
to="|/etc/smrsh/wrapper post mylist"^M,
ctladdr=<mylist at chat2.fiducial.com> (8/0), delay=00:00:03,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=120679, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent

Note:  I have tried to use /home/mailman/mail/wrapper  also, both
produce the same results.

Thanks for your help,
Phillip




____________________________________ 
Phillip L. Tompkins Jr.
Sr. Network Administrator
Fiducial Inc.


From pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us  Tue Nov 19 14:42:24 2002
From: pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us (peter schoch)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:42:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re:  no mail out to lists
Message-ID: <sdd9f983.056@mail.sussex.edu>

That's the interesting part.  All headers seem to be normal, just like the time and date, they appear as if the program were to be functioning normally and sending out on time  -- they just aren't.

Now I tried something new.  I made all subscribers get mail live -- no digesting option.   I sent one message to the lists after that and the dam broke loose.  All messages are coming through in real-time (when they were sent), and I'm not having to 'spam' my lists anymore.

Could something be wrong with my digesting?  

Peter Schoch

<<< "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com> 11/15  5:38p >>>
hmmm, do the headers from the email shed much light on what is going on?
They should at least indicate *where* the mail was held (and then released).
That should gain you a clue as to where to concentrate your search.

Could the spamming/sending just be coincidental?

Good Luck
----- Original Message -----
From: "peter schoch" <pschoch at sussex.cc.nj.us>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 6:35 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: no mail out to lists


>What do the logs and the times of the entries in your MTA show. Is it
              >passing the mail into the mailman alias properly? Check the
time.
              >Now check the Mailman logs and when it shows the message
accepted for
              >posting. The time should be very close to the MTA's time.
              >Now back to the MTA, does it show the message going out to
the folks on
              >the list?

              >What are you using as your MTA?

I'm using Sendmail - possibly a bad choice, but it's what I have always
used.

I check the maillog files.  The messages come in and within 1 - 10 seconds
are being sent to mailman.  I then check the mailman logs and I have no
errors (the error log is empty)  I have only a few bounces, and they are
from spammers.


              >Hmmm, that sounds suspiciously like a Digest Trigger (How big
in Kb
              >should a digest be before it gets sent out?)

              >In the web admin, is the first option marked as "Yes" (Can
subscribers
              >choose to receive mail immediately, rather than in batched
digests?)

Yes, I have the option for users to be able to receive mail as it comes in
or digest.  I also have it set that even if the mail does not reach the
minimum to automatically send out the digest, it should send it out once a
day.  But it's doing neither.
--
Now, being a physicist by trade I've started to experiment.  I can "spam" my
test list with a minimum of 53 messages and it will trigger something and
send out all messages for all the lists.  I tried it yesterday and it sent
all accumulated messages since the last time I tried this.  The amazing
thing is that the time and date stamp on all of the messages was the exact
time and day they were sent into the list!  So, rather than saying No. 13 at
3 PM, they said Nov. 11 at 2 PM and Nov. 10 at 10 AM, etc.

I also got digests to come out (don't ask me how) yesterday, and they too
were time and date stamped when they should've emerged - Sunday at 11AM and
Monday at 11AM, but I didn't get one for Tuesday! Even if no messages were
sent, I should get an empty digest.

So, now I'm really confused.  I checked the que in mailman and it is empty.
I hunted around in sendmail, and there is no apparent delay set.  There are
no locks set in mailman.  I have no errors in the logs.

What could be causing the delay?  And, why is it (sort of) removed when I
"spam" a list?

(I asked the UNIX/Linux guru on our campus, and he also had no idea.  He and
I spent several hours checking the log files.)

Peter Schoch


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From David1 at ci.bryan.tx.us  Tue Nov 19 18:18:55 2002
From: David1 at ci.bryan.tx.us (David)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:18:55 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Edit html MM-variables?
Message-ID: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC801@cobxchg.cobnet.org>

Where can I find a list of the available MM-variables to use in editing the
html pages? I'm looking for a more obvious one for list owner. Basically I'm
creating an Announce only list and wish to include verbage on who to report
problems to. I wish to use a variable in case the list owner address
changes.

Thanks,

David Parker


From intexile at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 20 02:05:57 2002
From: intexile at earthlink.net (Steve Ongerth)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:05:57 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Question
Message-ID: <3DDADFF5.80708@earthlink.net>

Is it possible to configure mailman to automatically reject (as opposed 
to simply holding for approval) all messages that are not posted by 
subscribers?  How can I set this up?

-Steve




From onno2003 at xs4all.nl  Wed Nov 20 17:13:03 2002
From: onno2003 at xs4all.nl (Onno Zweers)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:13:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Requirements page incomplete
Message-ID: <200211201713.03462.onno2003@xs4all.nl>

Dear Sir(s)

http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/MM21/download.html
On this page with requirements, there is the following method to check if the 
right version is installed.

% python -V
Python 2.1.3

I'd like you to know that on RedHat 7.3, this doesn't work. On this version of 
RedHat, python 1.5 is installed as /usr/bin/python and it doesn't recognise 
the parameter -V. Python 2 however is also installed, but as 
/usr/bin/python2.

It took me some time to figure this out. I hope you will be so kind to change 
your page, to include this information, for the benefit of other new users of 
Python.

Cheerio
Onno Zweers


From tkoo at OCF.Berkeley.EDU  Thu Nov 21 01:52:28 2002
From: tkoo at OCF.Berkeley.EDU (Tristan C. Koo)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:52:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't get reply messages fold under the original
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.44.0211201648300.19504-100000@conquest.OCF.Berkeley.EDU>

hi,

I just installed mailman and as I was testing it out, mailman wouldn't put
the any reply messages under the original message with an indentation.
It listed the reply message as a new entry and stripped the "Re:"
characters.  Any idea?

Tristan



From wolf at wolfstream.net  Thu Nov 21 16:57:59 2002
From: wolf at wolfstream.net (Tom Whiting)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:57:59 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Requirements page incomplete
In-Reply-To: <200211201713.03462.onno2003@xs4all.nl>
References: <200211201713.03462.onno2003@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <200211210957.59744.wolf@wolfstream.net>

it's not that hard to change or figure out which version of python is 
installed on your server.
Redhat does many things the "wrong" way, this is just one of them.



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Nov 21 17:08:25 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 21 Nov 2002 11:08:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
	refused')
In-Reply-To: 
	<482B6F215CE1414392240477B5D912D01972FF@EXCHANGEVS1.fiducial.com>
References: 
	<482B6F215CE1414392240477B5D912D01972FF@EXCHANGEVS1.fiducial.com>
Message-ID: <1037894909.5689.56.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Keep looking through your /var/log/maillog file.  The section you show
clearly indicates email coming in to the server and being passed to
Mailman.

Next you need to see the mail connections from Mailman trying to send
that message out to the various folks on the list.  You should see an
error from that attempted connection.  That error will tell you what the
problem is.

If you don't see that error, then drop your servers local firewall rules
and make sure it's not that.

For a list of steps to check, read:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 08:39, Tompkins, Phillip (Fiducial - US -
Columbia) wrote:
> Email is hitting the sendmail server but not going anywhere..  This is
> what I see in the mailman post log
> 
> Nov 19 08:30:01 2002 (16660) post to mylist from
> mylist-admin at ns2.fiducial.com, size=365, 1 failures
> Nov 19 08:30:01 2002 (16660) post to mylist from
> phillip.tompkins at fiducial.com, size=244, 2 failures
> Nov 19 08:30:01 2002 (16660) post to mylist from
> mylist-admin at ns2.fiducial.com, size=299, 1 failures
> Nov 19 08:30:01 2002 (16660) post to mylist from
> phillip.tompkins at fiducial.com, size=244, 2 failures
> Nov 19 08:30:01 2002 (16660) post to mylist from
> phillip.tompkins at fiducial.com, size=244, 2 failures
> [mailman at ns2 logs]$ 
> 
> This is what I get in the mailman smtp log
> Nov 18 16:30:01 2002 (5554) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
> refused')
> Nov 18 16:30:01 2002 (5554) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.056
> seconds
> Nov 18 16:30:01 2002 (5554) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
> refused')
> Nov 18 16:30:01 2002 (5554) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001
> seconds
> Nov 18 16:31:00 2002 (5587) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
> refused')
> Nov 18 16:31:00 2002 (5587) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.002
> seconds
> Nov 18 16:31:00 2002 (5587) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
> refused')
> 
> And this is what I get in the /var/log/maillog
> Nov 19 08:32:23 ns2 sendmail[16771]: gAJEWNM16771:
> from=<someuser at fiducial.com>, size=679, class=0, nrcpts=1,
> msgid=<482B6F215CE1414392240477B5D912D01972FE at EXCHANGEVS1.fiducial.com>,
> proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=[10.50.0.61]
> Nov 19 08:32:25 ns2 mailscanner[15105]: Scanning 1 messages, 1131 bytes 
> Nov 19 08:32:26 ns2 mailscanner[15105]: Scanned 1 messages, 1131 bytes
> in 1 seconds 
> Nov 19 08:32:26 ns2 sendmail[16776]: gAJEWNM16771:
> to="|/etc/smrsh/wrapper post mylist"^M,
> ctladdr=<mylist at chat2.fiducial.com> (8/0), delay=00:00:03,
> xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=120679, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
> 
> Note:  I have tried to use /home/mailman/mail/wrapper  also, both
> produce the same results.
> 
> Thanks for your help,
> Phillip
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ____________________________________ 
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> Sr. Network Administrator
> Fiducial Inc.
> 
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From jsingh at fdu.edu  Thu Nov 21 17:33:36 2002
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:33:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Description to be sent in welcome message
Message-ID: <000501c2917b$bdda23f0$9a0bee84@FDUJACK>

Hey Guys
            I was wondering if there was any other way besides going on
the html interface to change the list's description. I want to set the
list description as I create the mailing list and send the description
of the mailing list in the welcome message. I will alter the
Deliverer.py to include self.description in it. But don't know how to
manually set up the description.
Any Ideas are appreciated.
 
Thanks
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From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu  Thu Nov 21 19:03:55 2002
From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:03:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New apache is causing my mailman to fail...
Message-ID: <200211211806.gALI6Vx7019124@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>

Hi All!

I'm currently running Mailman version 2.0.8.

Until last week, our Apache webserver (1.3.14) interfaced with our Mailman just 
fine.

Last week, we needed to upgrade our Apache Web server to 1.3.27.

We also had to upgrade our openssl to the latest version (version OpenSSL 0.9.6g 
9 Aug 2002)

We're also running Python version 2.2.2.

Since then, we've been getting the following error attempting to access mailman 
lists from our website:

=================================

Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback 
and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster 
can find this information in the Mailman error logs. 

===================================

I even tried reinstalling Python to make sure it saw the updated OPENSSL stuff.

Anyway, from the web, when we do a mailman/listinfo and get the above error, the 
mailman error log reports:

Nov 21 11:03:35 2002 admin(18834): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(18834): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.8 -----]
admin(18834): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(18834): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(18834):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 80, in run_main
admin(18834):     import Mailman.pythonlib.cgi
admin(18834):   File "../Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py", line 31, in ?
admin(18834):     import urllib
admin(18834):   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ?
admin(18834):     import socket
admin(18834):   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ?
admin(18834):     from _socket import *
admin(18834): ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python: fatal: 
/usr/local/ssl/lib/libssl.so.0.9.6: bad ELF flags value: 768
admin(18834): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(18834): sys.version    = 2.2.2 (#1, Nov 20 2002, 18:28:42) 
[GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)]
admin(18834): sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python
admin(18834): sys.prefix     = /usr/local
admin(18834): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local
admin(18834): sys.path       = /usr/local
admin(18834): sys.platform   = sunos5
admin(18834): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(18834):   HTTP_PRAGMA: no-cache
admin(18834):   PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman
admin(18834):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.2.3 mod_perl/1.27
admin(18834):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
admin(18834):   SERVER_ADMIN: webmaster at cs.jhu.edu
admin(18834):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/listinfo
admin(18834):   SCRIPT_URI: http://www.cs.jhu.edu/mailman/listinfo
admin(18834):   SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.27 Server at 
www.cs.jhu.edu Port 80</ADDRESS>

Note the Import error above.

So... again, it worked until we installed the new Apache and new openssl.  Then, 
it stopped working giving the above errors.  Rebuilding python did not help.

Any ideas of what I can try?  Is there really a bug in our version of Mailman?  
And should I be reinstalling Mailman?  or is there an easier fix?

Thanks a bunch in advance, and if you could seperately CC: me on your post to 
the mailman list, that would be much appreciated.

Thanks!

Steve
steve410 at cs.jhu.edu






From tomoakes at usa.net  Thu Nov 21 19:55:47 2002
From: tomoakes at usa.net (Thomas Oakes)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:55:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New apache is causing my mailman to fail...
In-Reply-To: <200211211806.gALI6Vx7019124@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
Message-ID: <NEBBKNAEEHJFKKFKODNBIECHEDAA.tomoakes@usa.net>

>From this line in the traceback,
/usr/local/ssl/lib/libssl.so.0.9.6: bad ELF flags value: 768
I looks like you have a problem with your new install of openssl.

How did you install it? A package? and what OS are you using.

You might reinstall openssl from source if possible.

I'm not entirely sure what the 'bad ELF flags value' means but it sounds
like you're using a precompiled openssl library on a system that doesn't
support it.

"Use the source, Luke"

==Tom==

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+tomoakes=usa.net at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+tomoakes=usa.net at python.org]On Behalf Of
Steve Rifkin
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:04 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Cc: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New apache is causing my mailman to fail...


Hi All!

I'm currently running Mailman version 2.0.8.

Until last week, our Apache webserver (1.3.14) interfaced with our Mailman
just
fine.

Last week, we needed to upgrade our Apache Web server to 1.3.27.

We also had to upgrade our openssl to the latest version (version OpenSSL
0.9.6g
9 Aug 2002)

We're also running Python version 2.2.2.

Since then, we've been getting the following error attempting to access
mailman
lists from our website:

=================================

Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback
and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the
webmaster
can find this information in the Mailman error logs.

===================================

I even tried reinstalling Python to make sure it saw the updated OPENSSL
stuff.

Anyway, from the web, when we do a mailman/listinfo and get the above error,
the
mailman error log reports:

Nov 21 11:03:35 2002 admin(18834):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(18834): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.8 -----]
admin(18834): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(18834): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(18834):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 80, in run_main
admin(18834):     import Mailman.pythonlib.cgi
admin(18834):   File "../Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py", line 31, in ?
admin(18834):     import urllib
admin(18834):   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ?
admin(18834):     import socket
admin(18834):   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ?
admin(18834):     from _socket import *
admin(18834): ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python: fatal:
/usr/local/ssl/lib/libssl.so.0.9.6: bad ELF flags value: 768
admin(18834): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(18834): sys.version    = 2.2.2 (#1, Nov 20 2002, 18:28:42)
[GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)]
admin(18834): sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python
admin(18834): sys.prefix     = /usr/local
admin(18834): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local
admin(18834): sys.path       = /usr/local
admin(18834): sys.platform   = sunos5
admin(18834): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(18834):   HTTP_PRAGMA: no-cache
admin(18834):   PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman
admin(18834):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.2.3
mod_perl/1.27
admin(18834):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
admin(18834):   SERVER_ADMIN: webmaster at cs.jhu.edu
admin(18834):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/listinfo
admin(18834):   SCRIPT_URI: http://www.cs.jhu.edu/mailman/listinfo
admin(18834):   SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.27 Server at
www.cs.jhu.edu Port 80</ADDRESS>

Note the Import error above.

So... again, it worked until we installed the new Apache and new openssl.
Then,
it stopped working giving the above errors.  Rebuilding python did not help.

Any ideas of what I can try?  Is there really a bug in our version of
Mailman?
And should I be reinstalling Mailman?  or is there an easier fix?

Thanks a bunch in advance, and if you could seperately CC: me on your post
to
the mailman list, that would be much appreciated.

Thanks!

Steve
steve410 at cs.jhu.edu





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From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu  Thu Nov 21 20:01:23 2002
From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:01:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New apache is causing my mailman to fail...
Message-ID: <200211211904.gALJ40x7023674@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>

Hi Tom!

Sorry, left out the server info... Installing on Solaris 2.6 using the:
* 2170570 Aug  9 13:54:01 2002 openssl-0.9.6g.tar.gz  [LATEST] *
from openssl.org.

For openssl source, I ncompressed and did (as INSTALL suggested):

$ ./config
  $ make
  $ make test
  $ make install

Nothing failed along the way.

If I reinstalled openssl again (although, since there were no failures when I 
first installed it, I wouldn't expect there to be now), would I need to 
reinstall python, since python likes to configure itself with ssl, if ssl 
exists?

Steve


> From: "Thomas Oakes" <tomoakes at usa.net>
> To: "Steve Rifkin" <steve410 at cs.jhu.edu>, <mailman-users at python.org>
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] New apache is causing my mailman to fail...
> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:55:47 -0500

> 
> From this line in the traceback,
> /usr/local/ssl/lib/libssl.so.0.9.6: bad ELF flags value: 768
> I looks like you have a problem with your new install of openssl.
> 
> How did you install it? A package? and what OS are you using.
> 
> You might reinstall openssl from source if possible.
> 
> I'm not entirely sure what the 'bad ELF flags value' means but it sounds
> like you're using a precompiled openssl library on a system that doesn't
> support it.
> 
> "Use the source, Luke"
> 
> ==Tom==
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-bounces+tomoakes=usa.net at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+tomoakes=usa.net at python.org]On Behalf Of
> Steve Rifkin
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:04 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Cc: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] New apache is causing my mailman to fail...
> 
> 
> Hi All!
> 
> I'm currently running Mailman version 2.0.8.
> 
> Until last week, our Apache webserver (1.3.14) interfaced with our Mailman
> just
> fine.
> 
> Last week, we needed to upgrade our Apache Web server to 1.3.27.
> 
> We also had to upgrade our openssl to the latest version (version OpenSSL
> 0.9.6g
> 9 Aug 2002)
> 
> We're also running Python version 2.2.2.
> 
> Since then, we've been getting the following error attempting to access
> mailman
> lists from our website:
> 
> =================================
> 
> Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8
> 
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> 
> Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
> traceback
> and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the
> webmaster
> can find this information in the Mailman error logs.
> 
> ===================================
> 
> I even tried reinstalling Python to make sure it saw the updated OPENSSL
> stuff.
> 
> Anyway, from the web, when we do a mailman/listinfo and get the above error,
> the
> mailman error log reports:
> 
> Nov 21 11:03:35 2002 admin(18834):
> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
> admin(18834): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.8 -----]
> admin(18834): [----- Traceback ------]
> admin(18834): Traceback (most recent call last):
> admin(18834):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 80, in run_main
> admin(18834):     import Mailman.pythonlib.cgi
> admin(18834):   File "../Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py", line 31, in ?
> admin(18834):     import urllib
> admin(18834):   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ?
> admin(18834):     import socket
> admin(18834):   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ?
> admin(18834):     from _socket import *
> admin(18834): ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python: fatal:
> /usr/local/ssl/lib/libssl.so.0.9.6: bad ELF flags value: 768
> admin(18834): [----- Python Information -----]
> admin(18834): sys.version    = 2.2.2 (#1, Nov 20 2002, 18:28:42)
> [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)]
> admin(18834): sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python
> admin(18834): sys.prefix     = /usr/local
> admin(18834): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local
> admin(18834): sys.path       = /usr/local
> admin(18834): sys.platform   = sunos5
> admin(18834): [----- Environment Variables -----]
> admin(18834):   HTTP_PRAGMA: no-cache
> admin(18834):   PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman
> admin(18834):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.2.3
> mod_perl/1.27
> admin(18834):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
> admin(18834):   SERVER_ADMIN: webmaster at cs.jhu.edu
> admin(18834):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/listinfo
> admin(18834):   SCRIPT_URI: http://www.cs.jhu.edu/mailman/listinfo
> admin(18834):   SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.27 Server at
> www.cs.jhu.edu Port 80</ADDRESS>
> 
> Note the Import error above.
> 
> So... again, it worked until we installed the new Apache and new openssl.
> Then,
> it stopped working giving the above errors.  Rebuilding python did not help.
> 
> Any ideas of what I can try?  Is there really a bug in our version of
> Mailman?
> And should I be reinstalling Mailman?  or is there an easier fix?
> 
> Thanks a bunch in advance, and if you could seperately CC: me on your post
> to
> the mailman list, that would be much appreciated.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Steve
> steve410 at cs.jhu.edu
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu  Thu Nov 21 20:30:16 2002
From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:30:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New apache is causing my mailman to fail...
Message-ID: <200211211932.gALJWqx7025732@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>

Hmmm... Actually, I need to modify one of my earlier statements...

> > Last week, we needed to upgrade our Apache Web server to 1.3.27.

Mailman failed with errors I submitted earlier (that error log entry was from 
last night, but it was similar to what we got a week ago, which you'll find 
below).  At that time (last week), though, we were running an older version of 
openssl (plain 'ol 0.9.6, if I recall).

** Before the Apache install last week, mailman worked fine with the Apache 
1.3.14 and the older openssl.   With the newer Apache and the older openssl, 
mailman's web interface broke with the errors I submitted.  **
 
> > We also had to upgrade our openssl to the latest version (version OpenSSL
> > 0.9.6g 9 Aug 2002)

We actually did this (upgrading to the latest openssl) recently, in an attempt 
to hopefully have mailman work with the latest version of Apache. ( Oh, and we 
upgraded to the latest openssl, too, because of the many exploits of the older 
openssl.  :) 

So, even before we upgraded openssl, merely upgrading apache broke our mailman 
web interface.

Before we even upgraded openssl, but AFTER we upgraded Apache, here are the 
mailman error logs:

dmin(8622): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.8 -----]
admin(8622): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(8622): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(8622):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 80, in run_main
admin(8622):     import Mailman.pythonlib.cgi
admin(8622):   File "../Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py", line 31, in ?
admin(8622):     import urllib
admin(8622):   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ?
admin(8622):     import socket
admin(8622):   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ?
admin(8622):     from _socket import *
admin(8622): ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python: fatal: 
/usr/local/ssl/lib/libssl.so.0.9.6: bad ELF f
lags value: 768
admin(8622): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(8622): sys.version    = 2.2.2 (#1, Nov  8 2002, 16:56:01) 
[GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)]
admin(8622): sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python
admin(8622): sys.prefix     = /usr/local
admin(8622): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local
admin(8622): sys.path       = /usr/local
admin(8622): sys.platform   = sunos5
admin(8622): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(8622):    PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman
admin(8622):    SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.2.3 mod_perl/1.27
admin(8622):    SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
admin(8622):    SERVER_ADMIN: webmaster at cs.jhu.edu
admin(8622):    SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/listinfo
admin(8622):    SCRIPT_URI: http://www.cs.jhu.edu/mailman/listinfo
admin(8622):    SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.27 Server at 
www.cs.jhu.edu Port 80</ADDRESS>

You;ll see these are similar to the logs we got AFTER we installed the newer 
openssl.

Steve








From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Thu Nov 21 20:34:21 2002
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:34:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscriber list of lists?
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20021121113333.00bb21d0@oslmac.osl.state.or.us>

Is there a way for a subscriber of several lists to view which lists they 
are subscribed to?

Christopher Adams
Library Systems Analyst
Oregon State Library
Personal phone: 503-378-4243  x258
General Support: 503-378-4246
chris.a.adams at state.or.us 



From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Nov 21 20:50:38 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:50:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New apache is causing my mailman to fail...
References: <200211211932.gALJWqx7025732@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
Message-ID: <3DDD390D.CF9C0EF6@pcraft.com>

Steve Rifkin wrote:

> admin(8622): ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python: fatal:
> /usr/local/ssl/lib/libssl.so.0.9.6: bad ELF flags value: 768

    My guess would be that you compiled python yourself, against the old version
of openssl.  now that you've upgraded openssl, python doesn't work because it
can't find the old openssl.  Or at least, the library isn't the same.  If you
tried running python by itself (just type in /usr/local/bin/python), you may find
that it won't work either.  You'll have to recompile python again.

--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
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  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.





From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu  Thu Nov 21 20:54:33 2002
From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:54:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New apache is causing my mailman to fail...
Message-ID: <200211211957.gALJv9x7027583@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>

Python worked fine before and after the openssl upgrade.  Mailman worked before 
the openssl upgrade but only with the older Apache.  With the new Apache and 
older ssl, mailman's web interface broke.  Same errors.  With the new openssl, 
we still get the same errors.  As a precaution, I reinstalled python again.  
Openssl and python and apache all work, just not with mailman.

Steve

> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:50:38 -0700
> From: "Ashley M. Kirchner" <ashley at pcraft.com>
> X-Accept-Language: en
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> To: Steve Rifkin <steve410 at cs.jhu.edu>
> CC: mailman-users at python.org, tomoakes at usa.net
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] New apache is causing my mailman to fail...
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> 
> Steve Rifkin wrote:
> 
> > admin(8622): ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python: fatal:
> > /usr/local/ssl/lib/libssl.so.0.9.6: bad ELF flags value: 768
> 
>     My guess would be that you compiled python yourself, against the old 
version
> of openssl.  now that you've upgraded openssl, python doesn't work because it
> can't find the old openssl.  Or at least, the library isn't the same.  If you
> tried running python by itself (just type in /usr/local/bin/python), you may 
find
> that it won't work either.  You'll have to recompile python again.
> 
> --
> W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
>   +--------------------------------------------------------------------
>   Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
>   IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
>   Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
>   http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.
> 
> 
> 


Steve Rifkin - JHU CS Dept Sr. Unix Systems Administrator
               Technical Director
steve410 at cs.jhu.edu
410-516-6281





From lists.ASkwar at email-server.info  Thu Nov 21 21:31:18 2002
From: lists.ASkwar at email-server.info (Alexander Skwar)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:31:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fully personalized messages don't get delivered
Message-ID: <20021121203118.GW8529@teich.Garten.DigitalProjects.com>

Hi!

I've just upgraded Mailman to 2.1b5 from 2.1b4 and enabled full
personalization.  As the message header, I've put:

Hallo %(user_name)s <%(user_address)s>!

With this header, mails don't get delivered.  When I remove it,
everything works fine.

Any idea about what's wrong?

Thanks,

Alexander Skwar
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From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Nov 21 21:47:51 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:47:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New apache is causing my mailman to fail...
References: <200211211957.gALJv9x7027583@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
Message-ID: <3DDD4677.2FBD4C0A@pcraft.com>

Steve Rifkin wrote:

> Python worked fine before and after the openssl upgrade.  Mailman worked before
> the openssl upgrade but only with the older Apache.  With the new Apache and
> older ssl, mailman's web interface broke.  Same errors.  With the new openssl,
> we still get the same errors.  As a precaution, I reinstalled python again.
> Openssl and python and apache all work, just not with mailman.

    Did you guys by any chance recompile mailman as well?  (not that it should make
any difference, but it wouldn't hurt)

--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.





From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu  Thu Nov 21 23:40:18 2002
From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:40:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New apache is causing my mailman to fail...
Message-ID: <200211212242.gALMgtx7009092@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>

No, we hadn't touched mailman at all.  Really, all we had done was upgrade 
Apache.

Upgrading ssl and rebuilding python happened AFTER mailman's web interface 
stopped working.

Steve

> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:47:51 -0700
> From: "Ashley M. Kirchner" <ashley at pcraft.com>
> X-Accept-Language: en
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> To: Steve Rifkin <steve410 at cs.jhu.edu>
> CC: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] New apache is causing my mailman to fail...
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> 
> Steve Rifkin wrote:
> 
> > Python worked fine before and after the openssl upgrade.  Mailman worked 
before
> > the openssl upgrade but only with the older Apache.  With the new Apache and
> > older ssl, mailman's web interface broke.  Same errors.  With the new 
openssl,
> > we still get the same errors.  As a precaution, I reinstalled python again.
> > Openssl and python and apache all work, just not with mailman.
> 
>     Did you guys by any chance recompile mailman as well?  (not that it should 
make
> any difference, but it wouldn't hurt)
> 
> --
> W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
>   +--------------------------------------------------------------------
>   Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
>   IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
>   Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
>   http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.
> 
> 
> 


Steve Rifkin - JHU CS Dept Sr. Unix Systems Administrator
               Technical Director
steve410 at cs.jhu.edu
410-516-6281





From webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org  Thu Nov 21 23:51:33 2002
From: webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org (MCV Webmaster)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:51:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Servers for a List?
In-Reply-To: <1037891061.20282.4.camel@denali.freelock.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211201545450.31785-100000@centauri.odc.net>
        <1037891061.20282.4.camel@denali.freelock.com>
Message-ID: <54596.161.114.88.71.1037919093.squirrel@www.fifedrum.org>


>
> Using the LDAP master/slave paradigm.  Even better would be to use the
> Novell e-Directory method and have a 'peer' network.  So any updates
> against any system in the peer-ring, will update (and make sure it
> happens - receive confirmation) every other member in the peer group.
>
> Sounds good - someone with a lot more time than me going to pick it up??
>

Since we are venturing into the realm of proprietariness ....

Even better would be to just install/run Mailman on a Tru64 UNIX cluster
with Mailman installed on shared Cluster Filesystem, set up for load
balancing and/or failover among cluster nodes as desired.

Linux clusters may get there someday but it is going to take a while longer.





From barry at python.org  Fri Nov 22 05:06:38 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:06:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Eliminating access to the web
  interface/unsubscribing
References: <Pine.OSF.4.44.0211200958470.7854-100000@panther.adelphi.edu>
	<5.0.2.1.2.20021120155045.00a979b0@pop.good-stuff.co.uk>
Message-ID: <15837.44366.165817.709354@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "MG" == Mark Goodge <mark at good-stuff.co.uk> writes:

    MG> The answer to this is "no". You can disable the web interface
    MG> but, short of editing the code, you can't remove the ability
    MG> of users to unsubscribe by email. The documentation suggests
    MG> that, if this is what you want, the best option is to simply
    MG> set it so that you get automatic notifications of anyone
    MG> unsubscribing.

Under MM2.1, it is possible to require the list admin's permission to
unsubscribe.  Public discussion lists should never set this, but there
are applications (e.g. employee mailing lists) where this setting
might be appropriate.

-Barry


From barry at python.org  Fri Nov 22 05:11:36 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:11:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Migration questions
	(majordomo,MHonArc,Yahoo!Groups)
References: <3DDC0685.2090908@xavax.com>
Message-ID: <15837.44664.475304.288216@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "PLH" == Phillip L Harbison <alvitar at xavax.com> writes:

    PLH> Does anyone have any data on the relative performance of
    PLH> MHonarc and Pipermail?  One thing I like about MHonarc is I
    PLH> can collect messages and process them in a batch.  For some
    PLH> of my busy lists, I process a batch every 5 minutes rather
    PLH> than processing messages as they are received.  I have not
    PLH> figured out how to do this with Pipermail.

You get this for free in Mailman 2.1, since it implements a separate
queue for the archiver.  By default, the archiver queue runner runs
once per minute, but it would take a very minor bit of source hacking
to make it run, say once every 5 minutes.

In Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py change

    class ArchRunner(Runner):
	QDIR = mm_cfg.ARCHQUEUE_DIR

to

    class ArchRunner(Runner):
	QDIR = mm_cfg.ARCHQUEUE_DIR
	SLEEPTIME = mm_cfg.minutes(5)

HTH,
-Barry


From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Nov 22 05:13:44 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 21 Nov 2002 23:13:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscriber list of lists?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20021121113333.00bb21d0@oslmac.osl.state.or.us>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20021121113333.00bb21d0@oslmac.osl.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <1037938427.6472.64.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Have them send a note to the list admin.  They can then run the command
line ~mailman/bin/find_member  <email at add.ress>


On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 14:34, Christopher Adams wrote:
> Is there a way for a subscriber of several lists to view which lists they 
> are subscribed to?
> 
> Christopher Adams
> Library Systems Analyst
> Oregon State Library
> Personal phone: 503-378-4243  x258
> General Support: 503-378-4246
> chris.a.adams at state.or.us 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From barry at python.org  Fri Nov 22 05:14:38 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:14:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Multiple Servers for a List?
References: <3ddc1b4e.147afa.21341@imap.qut.edu.au>
	<20021121023935.GE1754@hq.newdream.net>
Message-ID: <15837.44846.404909.428977@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "WY" == Will Yardley <william+mm at hq.newdream.net> writes:

    WY> I think using NFS would probably be better assuming that your
    WY> nfs server and kernel deal with locking properly, but I don't
    WY> know how much risk there would be with this method.

Mailman uses an NFS-safe lockfile implementation.

-Barry


From lists.ASkwar at email-server.info  Fri Nov 22 06:42:22 2002
From: lists.ASkwar at email-server.info (Alexander Skwar)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:42:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Names of attachments are broken in archive
Message-ID: <20021122054222.GZ8529@teich.Garten.DigitalProjects.com>

Hi.

When I send a message with an attachment to my mailing list, the
name of the attachment is broken in the archive.


This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
---------------------- multipart/mixed attachment

---------------------- multipart/mixed attachment
Ein Dateianhang mit Bin?rdaten wurde geschreddert...
Dateiname   : Drei =?ISO-8859-1?Q?W=FCnsche=2Epps?=
Dateityp    : application/octet-stream
Dateigr??e  : 517728 bytes
Beschreibung: nicht verf?gbar
URL         :
http://lists.email-server.info/mailman/private/fun/attachments/20021121/a3d80cee/DreiISO-8859-1QWFCnsche2Epps.obj

---------------------- multipart/mixed attachment--

In this mail, I've attached a PowerPoint file to the mail.   However,
Mailman/pipermail stores the file as foo.obj.  This also happens with
JPEGs which are stored as bar.jpe.

Because of the messed up name, I cannot just click on the link to see
the attachment.  At least Galeon displays the binary contents as text,
instead of invoking the proper display routine.

Using Mailman 2.1b5.

What to do?

Thanks,

Alexander Skwar
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From alvitar at xavax.com  Fri Nov 22 06:46:29 2002
From: alvitar at xavax.com (Phillip L. Harbison)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:46:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] single sign-on
References: <3DDB7D59.5060003@xavax.com>
	<1037830816.5747.4.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3DDDC4B5.5030507@xavax.com>

Jon Carnes wrote:
 > > Is there a way to link a user's subscriptions to multiple lists so
 > > that they have a common password and only have to give the password
 > > once?
 >
> If you move up to the 2.1B5 version of mailman then you can use an SQL
> database to store the list information and membership information.  Then
> with some judicious use of SQL commands you can set the users to all use
> the same passwords.

Perhaps my question wasn't clear.  I host lists for several clubs and
charities.  These lists tend to come in pairs, i.e. xyz-announce and
xyz-general.  I also host a bunch of lists for my church and members
might be on as many as 10 lists.  So I have two problems.  [1] I want
a member to only have to remember one password.  I might be able to do
this with SQL commands as mentioned above.  [2] I only want the users
to have to enter their password once.  For example, if a user enters
a password to access the xyz-announce archives, he should not have to
enter it again to access the xyz-general archives or any other Mailman
list hosted on my site.

What I would prefer to have is one site-wide database for passwords
and separate databases for each list for user preferences.

-- 
Phil Harbison




From dennis.wish at verizon.net  Fri Nov 22 07:53:15 2002
From: dennis.wish at verizon.net (Dennis Wish)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:53:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the Listservice name and e-mail address
Message-ID: <005001c291f3$d58ec820$0501000a@structuralist>

I have a number of Mailman Lists running on my webhost JaguarPC
(formerly Aletia Host). My lists are used by professional engineers who
are discussing wood design for structural engineers. I created a list
that is called the Residential at structuralist.net which has over 60
subscribers. I wish to change the name of the list to
light_framing at structuralist.net because the discussions are broader than
what started to be residential design and construction alone.
Can anyone tell me how I can change the list address without asking the
subscribers to unsubscribe and re-subscribe to a new list. I wish to
preserve the archives as well but can not find the instructions (if any)
for doing this on my web host's Mailman feature.
 
TIA,
Structuralist
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From mailman-users at spambox.dk  Fri Nov 22 11:11:59 2002
From: mailman-users at spambox.dk (Henrik Larsson)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:11:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface and danish/nordic characters
Message-ID: <00c801c2920f$98e67500$3e4ef9c3@nwt.dk>

When i use some of the special danish characters in the web interface of
mailman, they are not added correctly.

Specific it is about ?, ? and ?.

I could of course use the html codes for special characters like &aelig; but
when they are added to the mailman database, they are added as a character
and not the code.

This mean that i have to go through all of the settings on a specific page
and replace the ? with &aelig; before i can submit changes.

Are there any way to get those special characters to work in the web
interface so i don't need to use the html codes?

Best regards Henrik



From toorop at cyborgnation.org  Fri Nov 22 11:59:30 2002
From: toorop at cyborgnation.org (Toorop)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:59:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error 500 suexec......
Message-ID: <182528078.20021122115930@cyborgnation.org>

Hi,

First escuse my english, i'll try to do my best ;-)

I'm trying to install mailman(2.0.13) on a new server (python 2.2.2) with apache in suexec
mode.

My virtual domain conf :
-----------------------------------------------------------
<VirtualHost xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx>
ServerAdmin tech at xxxxxxx.net
DocumentRoot /home/xxxx/www
User vpopmail
Group vchkpw
ServerName XXXXXXXX.net
CustomLog logs/XXXX-access_log combined
ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /home/XXX/cgi-bin/
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
</VirtualHost>
-----------------------------------------------------------

My configure line :
For GID :
# cat /etc/group | grep vchkpw
vchkpw:x:503:

Mailer : Qmail with Vpopmail so mail-gid= gid of vchkpw

So my configure commands :
$ ./configure -with-mail-gid=503 -with-cgi-gid=503

check_perms is good

Well, when i try :
http://xxxxxx.net/mailman/admin/

I'got a 500 error ://

LOGS :
# cat /var/log/httpd/cgi.log
[2002-11-22 11:41:54]: info: (target/actual) uid: (vpopmail/vpopmail) gid: (vchkpw/vchkpw) cmd: admin
[2002-11-22 11:41:54]: error: directory is writable by others: (/home/mailman/cgi-bin)

# cat /var/log/httpd/error.log
[Fri Nov 22 11:41:54 2002] [error] [client 80.65.224.36] Premature end of script headers: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin

# cat /var/log/httpd/ovh-access_log
xxxxxx.net - - [22/Nov/2002:11:41:54 +0100] "GET /mailman/admin/ HTTP/1.1" 500 603 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 2000) Opera 6.05  [fr]"

Nothing in ../mailman/logs/*

If i'll try a :
# su vpopmail
$ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin

<HTML>
<HEAD>
<TITLE>xxxxxx.net mailing lists - Admin Links</TITLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY
<BODY bgcolor="#ffffff">
.
.
So thats good.

I'll try a : chmod g-w /home/mailman/cgi-bin
But nothing change

pS :
http://xxxx.net/pipermail/
Works fine

Any idea ???
Thanks.

-- 
Toorop - Friday, November 22, 2002 - 11:33:08 



From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Nov 22 12:08:54 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:08:54 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] post to one of my lists ends up in
  .../qfiles.shunt??
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0211220458370.4227-100000@pooh.ASARian.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021122110108.053bc758@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 10:04 22/11/2002, Fuzzy wrote:

>freeBSD 4.7-release
>mailman 2.1b5
>python 2.2.1
>sendmail 8.12.6
>
>
>Posts to one of my lists ends up in .../qfiles.shunt??
>
>Any idea whats happening? all my other lists are working
>normally. I don't know what qfiles/shunt is for?
>How can I correct this. I tried setting the "auto-responder"
>flag and I did get the auto-responder email. The post just sits
>in shunt tho?
>
>Thanks
>
>a puzzled
>fuzzy

The qrunner puts badly formatted messages that it cannot cope with into 
shunt. It also error logs information about the exception that caused it to 
make that decision.

The comments in the code say:

<quote>
                 # Now that we've dequeued the message, we want to be
                 # incredibly anal about making sure that no uncaught exception
                 # could cause us to lose the message.  All runners that
                 # implement _dispose() must guarantee that exceptions are
                 # caught and dealt with properly.  Still, there may be a bug
                 # in the infrastructure, and we do not want those to cause
                 # messages to be lost.  Any uncaught exceptions will cause the
                 # message to be stored in the shunt queue for human
                 # intervention.
</quote>

There is also a script $prefix/bin/unshunt that takes things from the shunt 
and tries to process them again.

But you presumably need to fix the problem in the message with your trusty 
text editor or it'll just get shunted again.



From dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us  Fri Nov 22 16:01:11 2002
From: dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us (Parker, David K)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:01:11 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce only list
Message-ID: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC81F@cobxchg.cobnet.org>

Hmmm, the lack of response on this one leads me to assume that announce only
lists are not a feature of Mailman. Short of modifying the default welcome
message and mangling every other lists welcome message, this is not doable.
Are there any developers monitoring this list? Are there plans to add this
type of functionality in the future? It would seem reasonable that one could
alter the entire contents of a welcome message for any given list without
affecting every other list. A default welcome should still be available but
allowed to be overridden entirely for a specific list.

I guess a workaround would be to take the unwanted verbage out of the
default welcome message then prepending appropriate text to the non announce
only lists.

Any other thoughts on this?

Thanks,
David

-----Original Message-----
From: Parker, David K [mailto:dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 5:04 PM
To: 'mailman-users at python.org'
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce only list


We are wanting to create an announce only list for upcoming events in our
City. In looking at mailman, it appears the standard welcome message can be
prepended with some text, but you cannot customize the entire message for a
specific list. We particulary want to cut out the wording about how to post
to the list, since posting will not be permitted. What are the standard
procedures for setting up an announce only list without effecting the
welcome message for every other list on the same server? I'm sure there is a
simple way that I'm overlooking.

Thanks,

David Parker


From jeff at cia.net  Fri Nov 22 16:14:10 2002
From: jeff at cia.net (Jeff Garvas)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:14:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce only list
In-Reply-To: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC81F@cobxchg.cobnet.org>
References: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC81F@cobxchg.cobnet.org>
Message-ID: <20021122151408.GA17750@agent.cia.net>

David,

I run an "announce only" list.

http://www.OhioCCW.org/mailman/listinfo/ccw-alert

Its really easy.  You tell people its announcements only, no posts, and 
you put it into moderated mode.  I even approve the announcement posts
instead of telling mailman to "let them through" to prevent someone from
trying to fake the sender.

I made a small hack to mailman (nobody considered it a bug, I did) so if
a non-member posts to a moderated list it bounces the message into the
approval queue and says "Post by a non-member" instead of "Post to a
moderated list"

Just because a moderated list is moderated doesn't mean you want to
let non-members post, but thats not relevent to your project.

Just setup your list as moderated and tell people its an announcement only 
list. 

-jeff


On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 09:01:11AM -0600 or thereabouts, Parker, David K wrote:
> Hmmm, the lack of response on this one leads me to assume that announce only
> lists are not a feature of Mailman. Short of modifying the default welcome
> message and mangling every other lists welcome message, this is not doable.
> Are there any developers monitoring this list? Are there plans to add this
> type of functionality in the future? It would seem reasonable that one could
> alter the entire contents of a welcome message for any given list without
> affecting every other list. A default welcome should still be available but
> allowed to be overridden entirely for a specific list.
> 
> I guess a workaround would be to take the unwanted verbage out of the
> default welcome message then prepending appropriate text to the non announce
> only lists.
> 
> Any other thoughts on this?
> 
> Thanks,
> David
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Parker, David K [mailto:dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 5:04 PM
> To: 'mailman-users at python.org'
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce only list
> 
> 
> We are wanting to create an announce only list for upcoming events in our
> City. In looking at mailman, it appears the standard welcome message can be
> prepended with some text, but you cannot customize the entire message for a
> specific list. We particulary want to cut out the wording about how to post
> to the list, since posting will not be permitted. What are the standard
> procedures for setting up an announce only list without effecting the
> welcome message for every other list on the same server? I'm sure there is a
> simple way that I'm overlooking.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> David Parker
> 
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From brianr at bjsystems.co.uk  Fri Nov 22 16:49:58 2002
From: brianr at bjsystems.co.uk (Brian Read)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:49:58 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce only list
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021122154941.019ed328@server01>

At 15:01 22/11/2002, Parker, David K wrote:
>Hmmm, the lack of response on this one leads me to assume that announce only
>lists are not a feature of Mailman. Short of modifying the default welcome
>message and mangling every other lists welcome message, this is not doable.
>Are there any developers monitoring this list? Are there plans to add this
>type of functionality in the future? It would seem reasonable that one could
>alter the entire contents of a welcome message for any given list without
>affecting every other list. A default welcome should still be available but
>allowed to be overridden entirely for a specific list.

If you look at the FAQ on the web site, you will see details of how to 
set-up an announce only list.  i am running 3 as we speak.

cheers

Brian

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From markus.ruecker at mr-consult.net  Fri Nov 22 17:15:07 2002
From: markus.ruecker at mr-consult.net (Markus Ruecker)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:15:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriberlist SQL Lookup...
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAJyM+DJ+7SE+G7HdEI7RB18KAAAAQAAAAW/+f5/8vC0Wji3T/RmMK0AEAAAAA@mr-consult.net>

Hi,

I'm running Mailman 2.1b5 with Postfix on a Linux system.
My question: is it possible to store a subscriber list into a MySQL
Database?

The background is, I already have a contact database with email
addresses. I've written a windows based tool to administer this
database. Every person who is listed in this database with his email
address should be a member at a mailinglist. The problem is, that the
users could change their subscription or mail address. This should be
stored in the database. All of this should work automaticly. I don't
want to doublecheck the subscriber list ervery day to get my database up
to date.
So, this is the question again. Is there any way to store a subscriber
list in a database.
Last time I asked this question I don't get any answer, maybe it's
diferent this time....

Thanks for your help,
Markus...




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Nov 22 17:15:49 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 22 Nov 2002 11:15:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error 500 suexec......
In-Reply-To: <182528078.20021122115930@cyborgnation.org>
References: <182528078.20021122115930@cyborgnation.org>
Message-ID: <1037981753.1613.25.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Did you edit the ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file to allow the use of
virtual domains?  Copy the configuration lines from Defaults.py into
mm_cfg.py and then edit mm_cfg.py.
 
On Fri, 2002-11-22 at 05:59, Toorop wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> First escuse my english, i'll try to do my best ;-)
> 
> I'm trying to install mailman(2.0.13) on a new server (python 2.2.2) with apache in suexec
> mode.
> 
> My virtual domain conf :
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> <VirtualHost xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx>
> ServerAdmin tech at xxxxxxx.net
> DocumentRoot /home/xxxx/www
> User vpopmail
> Group vchkpw
> ServerName XXXXXXXX.net
> CustomLog logs/XXXX-access_log combined
> ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /home/XXX/cgi-bin/
> ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
> Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
> </VirtualHost>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> 
> My configure line :
> For GID :
> # cat /etc/group | grep vchkpw
> vchkpw:x:503:
> 
> Mailer : Qmail with Vpopmail so mail-gid= gid of vchkpw
> 
> So my configure commands :
> $ ./configure -with-mail-gid=503 -with-cgi-gid=503
> 
> check_perms is good
> 
> Well, when i try :
> http://xxxxxx.net/mailman/admin/
> 
> I'got a 500 error ://
> 
> LOGS :
> # cat /var/log/httpd/cgi.log
> [2002-11-22 11:41:54]: info: (target/actual) uid: (vpopmail/vpopmail) gid: (vchkpw/vchkpw) cmd: admin
> [2002-11-22 11:41:54]: error: directory is writable by others: (/home/mailman/cgi-bin)
> 
> # cat /var/log/httpd/error.log
> [Fri Nov 22 11:41:54 2002] [error] [client 80.65.224.36] Premature end of script headers: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
> 
> # cat /var/log/httpd/ovh-access_log
> xxxxxx.net - - [22/Nov/2002:11:41:54 +0100] "GET /mailman/admin/ HTTP/1.1" 500 603 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 2000) Opera 6.05  [fr]"
> 
> Nothing in ../mailman/logs/*
> 
> If i'll try a :
> # su vpopmail
> $ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
> 
> <HTML>
> <HEAD>
> <TITLE>xxxxxx.net mailing lists - Admin Links</TITLE>
> </HEAD>
> <BODY
> <BODY bgcolor="#ffffff">
> .
> .
> So thats good.
> 
> I'll try a : chmod g-w /home/mailman/cgi-bin
> But nothing change
> 
> pS :
> http://xxxx.net/pipermail/
> Works fine
> 
> Any idea ???
> Thanks.
> 
> -- 
> Toorop - Friday, November 22, 2002 - 11:33:08 
> 
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From barry at python.org  Fri Nov 22 18:16:18 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:16:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] post to one of my lists ends up in
  .../qfiles.shunt??
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0211220458370.4227-100000@pooh.ASARian.org>
	<5.1.1.6.0.20021122110108.053bc758@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <15838.26210.427503.889910@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "RB" == Richard Barrett <R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk> writes:

    RB> The qrunner puts badly formatted messages that it cannot cope
    RB> with into shunt. It also error logs information about the
    RB> exception that caused it to make that decision.

To be really anal about it :) messages that enter the system
unparseable will be put in qfiles/bad if QRUNNER_SAVE_BAD_MESSAGES is
set to 1 in mm_cfg.py.  By default this variable is set to 0, which
discards unparseable messages.  On python.org, we get maybe two such
messages a month, and they've always been /really/ poorly formatted
spam (just "poorly formatted", and the parse should be able to
adjust).

The only messages in qfiles/shunt should be ones that triggered bugs
in Mailman.  There should always be an entry in logs/error
corresponding to the shunted message.

    RB> There is also a script $prefix/bin/unshunt that takes things
    RB> from the shunt and tries to process them again.

    RB> But you presumably need to fix the problem in the message with
    RB> your trusty text editor or it'll just get shunted again.

Usually, you (or really, I :) need to fix the Mailman bug that caused
the shunt before unshunting will do anything useful.

-Barry


From barry at python.org  Fri Nov 22 18:20:31 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:20:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce only list
References: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC81F@cobxchg.cobnet.org>
Message-ID: <15838.26463.615054.852517@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "DKP" == David K Parker <dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us> writes:

    DKP> We are wanting to create an announce only list for upcoming
    DKP> events in our City. In looking at mailman, it appears the
    DKP> standard welcome message can be prepended with some text, but
    DKP> you cannot customize the entire message for a specific
    DKP> list.

In Mailman 2.1 you can drop your customized listinfo.html file into
the lists/<mylist>/en directory (assuming you're changing the English
version of the text) and Mailman will automatically pick it up for
myst the `mylist' list.  The complete look up rules are documented in
a comment before the maketext() function in Mailman/Utils.py.

It can be done in MM2.0, but I honestly don't remember the details and
I don't have time right now to swap in those brain cells.

-Barry


From wheakory at isu.edu  Fri Nov 22 19:43:13 2002
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:43:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscrib user through email client withou
	notification
Message-ID: <3DDE7AC1.901D6740@isu.edu>

How can I subscribe an user to a mailman list through an email client,
(using the listname-request commands), without them being notified and
having to confirm the subscription? I know you can do this through the
command line, but I want to be able to do it through a webmail client.
Here is the command I used below.


subscribe password address=email at yahoo.com

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From ERantanen at osc.uscg.mil  Fri Nov 22 20:08:16 2002
From: ERantanen at osc.uscg.mil (Rantanen, TC1)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:08:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail flow stats
Message-ID: <13828F680182D511893300508BD68317025F4E2F@oscex2.osc.uscg.mil>

I was wondering if anyone is monitoring the through put, queue levels,
totals count of there listserv box/boxes?

If so what are you using, web, command line, homemade, or off the shelf?

Also I am looking for stuff that would be related to exim/apache.


Ed Rantanen


From branton.davis at washburn.edu  Fri Nov 22 21:41:28 2002
From: branton.davis at washburn.edu (Branton Davis)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:41:28 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Membership Management
Message-ID: <12409756.1037997688884.JavaMail.branton.davis@washburn.edu>

Is there a way to change all members to digest without clicking on the 
box next to each address on the web interface, under Membership 
Management?  Also, is there a way to do a mass change with the other 
options on this page, such as hide, ack, notmetoo, and subscribe, and 
plain?

Thanks,

Branton


From casterln at nature.Berkeley.EDU  Fri Nov 22 22:17:03 2002
From: casterln at nature.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Casterline)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:17:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce only list
In-Reply-To: <15838.26463.615054.852517@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
References: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC81F@cobxchg.cobnet.org>
	<15838.26463.615054.852517@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <20021122211703.GA3625@nature.Berkeley.EDU>

Yes, it is good to be able to customize each lists listinfo.html,
but it'd also be nice to be able to customize the welcome
message text that gets sent out to new subscribers.
For announce only lists, I'd like to remove the misleading
paragraph explaing how to post to a list which I've made moderated
and "unpostable to".  

 _Gary

On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 12:20:31PM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "DKP" == David K Parker <dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us> writes:
> 
>     DKP> We are wanting to create an announce only list for upcoming
>     DKP> events in our City. In looking at mailman, it appears the
>     DKP> standard welcome message can be prepended with some text, but
>     DKP> you cannot customize the entire message for a specific
>     DKP> list.
> 
> In Mailman 2.1 you can drop your customized listinfo.html file into
> the lists/<mylist>/en directory (assuming you're changing the English
> version of the text) and Mailman will automatically pick it up for
> myst the `mylist' list.  The complete look up rules are documented in
> a comment before the maketext() function in Mailman/Utils.py.
> 
> It can be done in MM2.0, but I honestly don't remember the details and
> I don't have time right now to swap in those brain cells.
> 
> -Barry
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From dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us  Fri Nov 22 22:53:31 2002
From: dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us (Parker, David K)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:53:31 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce only list
Message-ID: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC82D@cobxchg.cobnet.org>

Exactly my point. That's teo votes. 

Thanks,
David

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Casterline [mailto:casterln at nature.Berkeley.EDU] 
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 3:17 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Announce only list


Yes, it is good to be able to customize each lists listinfo.html, but it'd
also be nice to be able to customize the welcome message text that gets sent
out to new subscribers. For announce only lists, I'd like to remove the
misleading paragraph explaing how to post to a list which I've made
moderated and "unpostable to".  

 _Gary

On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 12:20:31PM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "DKP" == David K Parker <dparker at ci.bryan.tx.us> writes:
> 
>     DKP> We are wanting to create an announce only list for upcoming
>     DKP> events in our City. In looking at mailman, it appears the
>     DKP> standard welcome message can be prepended with some text, but
>     DKP> you cannot customize the entire message for a specific
>     DKP> list.
> 
> In Mailman 2.1 you can drop your customized listinfo.html file into 
> the lists/<mylist>/en directory (assuming you're changing the English 
> version of the text) and Mailman will automatically pick it up for 
> myst the `mylist' list.  The complete look up rules are documented in 
> a comment before the maketext() function in Mailman/Utils.py.
> 
> It can be done in MM2.0, but I honestly don't remember the details and 
> I don't have time right now to swap in those brain cells.
> 
> -Barry
> 


From rb at islandnet.com  Fri Nov 22 23:43:02 2002
From: rb at islandnet.com (Ron Brogden)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:43:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] extreme memory use by Mailman
In-Reply-To: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC82D@cobxchg.cobnet.org>
References: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC82D@cobxchg.cobnet.org>
Message-ID: <E18FMVs-00063f-00@mail.islandnet.com>

Howdy.   I look after a busy mailing list server which is currently running 
version 2.1b4 of Mailman.  The sever has only just been under regular load 
the last couple of days as we were switching servers.  I've been keeping an 
eye on things and noticed that the load was up a little bit and thought I 
would see what top had to show me.

68084 mailman    2   0   107M   103M poll   160:54  0.00%  0.00% python
68085 mailman    2   0  8172K  5556K poll     4:02  0.00%  0.00% python
68089 mailman    2   0  8456K  5544K poll     2:16  0.00%  0.00% python
68087 mailman    2   0  7984K  5104K poll     1:14  0.00%  0.00% python
68090 mailman    2   0  8204K  5044K poll     1:09  0.00%  0.00% python
68086 mailman    2   0  8768K  5188K poll     0:51  0.00%  0.00% python
68088 mailman    2   0  5932K  1508K poll     0:48  0.00%  0.00% python

I find it rather alarming to see that mailman is using 130 megs of RAM at any 
given moment.  Is this usual or is there a memory leak or something  like 
that with the beta version or Python possibly?

Any suggestions on how to trim that down?

Cheers

Ron

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From dan.mick at sun.com  Sat Nov 23 00:00:26 2002
From: dan.mick at sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:00:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] extreme memory use by Mailman
In-Reply-To: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC82D@cobxchg.cobnet.org>
References: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC82D@cobxchg.cobnet.org>
	<E18FMVs-00063f-00@mail.islandnet.com>
Message-ID: <3DDEB70A.9050001@sun.com>

Ron Brogden wrote:

> Howdy.   I look after a busy mailing list server which is currently running
> version 2.1b4 of Mailman.  The sever has only just been under regular load
> the last couple of days as we were switching servers.  I've been keeping an
> eye on things and noticed that the load was up a little bit and thought I
> would see what top had to show me.
>
> 68084 mailman    2   0   107M   103M poll   160:54  0.00%  0.00% python
> 68085 mailman    2   0  8172K  5556K poll     4:02  0.00%  0.00% python
> 68089 mailman    2   0  8456K  5544K poll     2:16  0.00%  0.00% python
> 68087 mailman    2   0  7984K  5104K poll     1:14  0.00%  0.00% python
> 68090 mailman    2   0  8204K  5044K poll     1:09  0.00%  0.00% python
> 68086 mailman    2   0  8768K  5188K poll     0:51  0.00%  0.00% python
> 68088 mailman    2   0  5932K  1508K poll     0:48  0.00%  0.00% python


I'll bet 68084 is the ArchiveRunner.

Known bug, fixed in CVS and in 2.1b5.  You'll need to fix your archives, 
the databases of which have probably grown to 10x normal size, using
bin/b4b5-archfix, if that's what's affecting you.



From e_lenihan at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 23 00:50:12 2002
From: e_lenihan at hotmail.com (ellen lenihan)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:50:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments and missing archive messages
Message-ID: <F124yFixrY6gOEMLd5n0002a4fa@hotmail.com>

Hi

I was wondering if anyone could help me with two issues.

1. Our list is not handing attachments. Is there anyway to change this?

2. Only some of the archives coming up when we download them.

Any suggestions would be helpful.
Thanks,
Ellen





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From barry at python.org  Sat Nov 23 01:56:47 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:56:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce only list
References: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC81F@cobxchg.cobnet.org>
	<15838.26463.615054.852517@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<20021122211703.GA3625@nature.Berkeley.EDU>
Message-ID: <15838.53839.859929.725777@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "GC" == Gary Casterline <casterln at nature.berkeley.edu> writes:

    GC> Yes, it is good to be able to customize each lists
    GC> listinfo.html, but it'd also be nice to be able to customize
    GC> the welcome message text that gets sent out to new
    GC> subscribers.  For announce only lists, I'd like to remove the
    GC> misleading paragraph explaing how to post to a list which I've
    GC> made moderated and "unpostable to".

Do the same with subscribeack.txt.  Actually, any template is
customizable this way.

-Barry


From barry at python.org  Sat Nov 23 01:57:36 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:57:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] extreme memory use by Mailman
References: <6C94DFBFD20ED211A8E3006097A1760F031EC82D@cobxchg.cobnet.org>
	<E18FMVs-00063f-00@mail.islandnet.com>
Message-ID: <15838.53888.542615.692447@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "RB" == Ron Brogden <rb at islandnet.com> writes:

    RB> I find it rather alarming to see that mailman is using 130
    RB> megs of RAM at any given moment.  Is this usual or is there a
    RB> memory leak or something like that with the beta version or
    RB> Python possibly?

Known bug with the archiver in b4.  Fixed in b5.

-Barry


From dwong at changind.com  Sat Nov 23 02:23:19 2002
From: dwong at changind.com (Donald Wong)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:23:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hostname setup question
Message-ID: <000101c2928e$e8886760$2a01000a@atlas>

I'm running Mailman on a Linux server, with Sendmail running on the same
server.
The current configuration:
	mailman is running on host: listserver.company.local
	mailman reports in email from headers: @listserver.company.local

And We want this instead:
    mailman is running on host: listserver.company.local
    mailman reports in email From fields: @company.com  (note the .com)
    mailman web page is at: http://www.company.local/mailman/


Currently, if users open their mailing list email with say Outlook, Outlook
will display:
	From field: <listname>-admin@<my.host.name> on behalf of <name at host.name>

I know that this is the expected behaviour since both the From and the
Sender mail header reads <listname>-admin@<my.host.name> and the X-Sender
header field will display the actual person who composed the email.

Thank you.



From lists.ASkwar at email-server.info  Sat Nov 23 14:17:07 2002
From: lists.ASkwar at email-server.info (Alexander Skwar)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:17:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b5 still announcing as 2.1b4?
Message-ID: <20021123131707.GC8529@teich.Garten.DigitalProjects.com>

Hi!

I recently updated to 2.1b5, however the mail headers still contain:

X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b4

Is that correct?

Alexander Skwar
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From lists.ASkwar at email-server.info  Sat Nov 23 14:38:50 2002
From: lists.ASkwar at email-server.info (Alexander Skwar)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:38:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] user_name causes messages not to be delivered
Message-ID: <20021123133850.GD8529@teich.Garten.DigitalProjects.com>

Hello.

I enabled full personalization on my list and added %(user_name)s to the
message header.  After doing so, no messages get delivered.

I'm also looking for some logs to see why this might be failing.

If somebody could help me, I'd be happy.  I'm running Mailman 2.1b5.

Thanks,

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From jgon7 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 22 19:27:15 2002
From: jgon7 at yahoo.com (Jaime Gonzalez)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:27:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Create Mailing lists?...
Message-ID: <20021122182715.61410.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi  My name is Jaime and I'd like to create additional mailing lists?.. I have a server with RedHat7.2 installed... Where can I found information about it?...
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From dmoore at aibi.org  Sat Nov 23 18:20:53 2002
From: dmoore at aibi.org (David Moore)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:20:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list of users subscribed
Message-ID: <EPEEKKFJBIFPGCLPINILAEPFCJAA.dmoore@aibi.org>

Is there a way for the _Administrator of a LIST_ (not Mailman admin) to
export a backup or report of the members of a list such as a delimited text
file?

I couldn't find it in the FAQ -may have just overlooked it...
If someone can point me in the right direction it would be much appreciated.

I believe we are on Mailman version 2.0.13

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From barry at python.org  Sat Nov 23 20:54:22 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:54:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b5 still announcing as 2.1b4?
References: <20021123131707.GC8529@teich.Garten.DigitalProjects.com>
Message-ID: <15839.56558.703242.405762@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "AS" == Alexander Skwar <lists.ASkwar at email-server.info> writes:

    AS> I recently updated to 2.1b5, however the mail headers still
    AS> contain:

    AS> X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b4

    AS> Is that correct?

Remember that after you upgrade and re-install, you need to restart
your qrunners, e.g. "mailmanctl restart"

-Barry


From ASkwar at email-server.info  Sun Nov 24 00:03:12 2002
From: ASkwar at email-server.info (Alexander Skwar)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 00:03:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b5 still announcing as 2.1b4?
In-Reply-To: <15839.56558.703242.405762@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
References: <20021123131707.GC8529@teich.Garten.DigitalProjects.com>
	<15839.56558.703242.405762@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <20021123230312.GF8529@teich.Garten.DigitalProjects.com>

So sprach Barry A. Warsaw am 2002-11-23 um 14:54:22 -0500 :
> Remember that after you upgrade and re-install, you need to restart
> your qrunners, e.g. "mailmanctl restart"

Oh, I'd "never" forget to do something like this.  "Never" ;)

Thanks, now it works.

Alexander Skwar
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From lists.ASkwar at email-server.info  Sun Nov 24 00:47:52 2002
From: lists.ASkwar at email-server.info (Alexander Skwar)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 00:47:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] user_name causes messages not to be delivered
In-Reply-To: <20021123133850.GD8529@teich.Garten.DigitalProjects.com>
References: <20021123133850.GD8529@teich.Garten.DigitalProjects.com>
Message-ID: <20021123234752.GI8529@teich.Garten.DigitalProjects.com>

So sprach Alexander Skwar am 2002-11-23 um 14:38:50 +0100 :
> I'm also looking for some logs to see why this might be failing.

Found it.  ~mailman/logs/error contains:

Nov 24 00:46:06 2002 (29761) Uncaught runner exception: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128)
Nov 24 00:46:06 2002 (29761) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 154, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 61, in _dispose
    self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 139, in process
    deliveryfunc(mlist, msg, msgdata, envsender, refused, conn)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 317, in verpdeliver
    bulkdeliver(mlist, msgcopy, msgdata, envsender, failures, conn)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 330, in bulkdeliver
    msgtext = msg.as_string()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 107, in as_string
    g.flatten(self, unixfrom=unixfrom)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 100, in flatten
    self._write(msg)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 128, in _write
    self._dispatch(msg)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 154, in _dispatch
    meth(msg)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 243, in _handle_multipart
    g.flatten(part, unixfrom=False)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 100, in flatten
    self._write(msg)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 128, in _write
    self._dispatch(msg)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 154, in _dispatch
    meth(msg)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 215, in _handle_text
    self._fp.write(payload)
UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128)

What to do?

Alexander Skwar
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From mary at bgumail.bgu.ac.il  Sun Nov 24 12:01:49 2002
From: mary at bgumail.bgu.ac.il (Marina Markus)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:01:49 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to eliminate footer?
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0211241253120.22585-100000@sansana.bgu.ac.il>


Hello All,

On of list owners at our server demands to totally eliminate
all extra information from the list messages. 

I tried to define empty footer on "Regular member (non-digest) Options"
page; I even added a definition: DEFAULT_MSG_FOOTER = ""
in "mm_cfg.py" file and created a list anew, but every
message still has a usual line with a link:

   [ Note: This message contains email list management information ]


Does anyone know how to clean messages totally of any extra lines?

Please answer directly to my email and not [only] to the list.
Thank you in advance,

Marina Markus
Ben-Gurion University 
======================
mary at bgumail.bgu.ac.il



From ghamm at ghks.de  Sun Nov 24 15:18:53 2002
From: ghamm at ghks.de (Hamm, Gottfried)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 15:18:53 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using CSS for all pages
Message-ID: <617F3033DD1E6E4D9B6DB708D914067B098BF5@granada.ghks.de>

Hi all,

actually I'm using Mailman 2.1b5. I would like to apply my general CSS
file on all Mailman pages to get a unique look and feel like the whole
web site. For the list pages I could do it for every page as list
administrator from the web interface, but for the general pages how can
I do that? You can have a look on the listserver here
http://lists.ghks.de (all pages should appear as the starting page.
Thanks in advance for any hint / help.

Cheers,

Gottfried

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From barry at python.org  Sun Nov 24 18:08:47 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 12:08:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using CSS for all pages
References: <617F3033DD1E6E4D9B6DB708D914067B098BF5@granada.ghks.de>
Message-ID: <15841.1951.614223.277845@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "GH" == Gottfried Hamm <ghamm at ghks.de> writes:

    GH> actually I'm using Mailman 2.1b5. I would like to apply my
    GH> general CSS file on all Mailman pages to get a unique look and
    GH> feel like the whole web site. For the list pages I could do it
    GH> for every page as list administrator from the web interface,
    GH> but for the general pages how can I do that? You can have a
    GH> look on the listserver here http://lists.ghks.de (all pages
    GH> should appear as the starting page.  Thanks in advance for any
    GH> hint / help.

This patch might be of interest.  I've postponed it to after MM2.1
final.

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=605234&group_id=103&atid=300103

-Barry


From ptatters at zerobyzero.ca  Sun Nov 24 19:16:59 2002
From: ptatters at zerobyzero.ca (Peter Tattersall)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:16:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using CSS for all pages
In-Reply-To: <15841.1951.614223.277845@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <EC1CEFE9-FFD8-11D6-B3B8-0003931C4CFA@zerobyzero.ca>

On Sunday, November 24, 2002, at 12:08  PM, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> This patch might be of interest.  I've postponed it to after MM2.1
> final.

Any notion as to when that final might be released (and thank you for 
trying to avoid feeping creaturism)?



From d.richards at qut.edu.au  Mon Nov 25 01:15:30 2002
From: d.richards at qut.edu.au (David Richards)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:15:30 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Servers for a List?
Message-ID: <3de16ba2.10d3b5.26898@imap.qut.edu.au>

This is also now possible with RedHat Advanced Server - using shared
storage???  So will it run in a load balanced manner there??

Presumably if it runs on a Tru64 cluster (which we have many of), it will
run on a number of servers sharing file systems via NFS??

Thoughts??

Dave.


>?
>?>
>?> Using the LDAP master/slave paradigm.  Even better would be to
>?use the > Novell e-Directory method and have a 'peer' network. 
>?So any updates > against any system in the peer-ring, will update
>?(and make sure it > happens - receive confirmation) every other
>?member in the peer group. >
>?> Sounds good - someone with a lot more time than me going to
>?pick it up?? >
>?
>?Since we are venturing into the realm of proprietariness ....
>?
>?Even better would be to just install/run Mailman on a Tru64 UNIX
>?cluster with Mailman installed on shared Cluster Filesystem, set
>?up for load balancing and/or failover among cluster nodes as
>?desired. 
>?Linux clusters may get there someday but it is going to take a
>?while longer. 
>?
>?

Dave Richards
Project Manager (Messaging)
Information Technology Services
Queensland University of Technology


From barry at python.org  Mon Nov 25 02:45:03 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:45:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using CSS for all pages
References: <15841.1951.614223.277845@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<EC1CEFE9-FFD8-11D6-B3B8-0003931C4CFA@zerobyzero.ca>
Message-ID: <15841.32927.210512.727172@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "PT" == Peter Tattersall <ptatters at zerobyzero.ca> writes:

    >> This patch might be of interest.  I've postponed it to after
    >> MM2.1 final.

    PT> Any notion as to when that final might be released (and thank
    PT> you for trying to avoid feeping creaturism)?

It will be before the end of the year, or I'm selling my computers to
become a sea monkey tycoon.

I think we still have some i18n issues to iron out (big surprise, eh?
;).

-Barry


From danny at terweij.nl  Mon Nov 25 02:54:38 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 02:54:38 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using CSS for all pages
References: 
	<15841.1951.614223.277845@gargle.gargle.HOWL><EC1CEFE9-FFD8-11D6-B3B8-0003931C4CFA@zerobyzero.ca>
	<15841.32927.210512.727172@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <004701c29425$9cbdf230$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>

From: "Barry A. Warsaw" <barry at python.org>

> It will be before the end of the year, or I'm selling my computers to
> become a sea monkey tycoon.

> I think we still have some i18n issues to iron out (big surprise, eh?
> ;).

Maybe a good idea to freeze some period CVS changes. In that time all
translators can review his/her trasnlations and submit them.
(give the translators a deadline for submitting).

And after that, you may release 2.1 :)

Danny Terweij
Dutch Translator

btw just upgraded from b4+ to b5+, no problems (anymore).
still a make install error on a fresh clean RH8 system. (see my message at
dev list)






From victor at squorch.com  Mon Nov 25 03:50:42 2002
From: victor at squorch.com (Victor Allen)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 21:50:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner error  (locks, maybe?)
Message-ID: <01ca01c2942d$71f86aa0$6501a8c0@boom>

Background:

Debian Stable with Postfix as MTA and Apache as webserver.

After apt-get install-ing mailman, I get the following crontab error over
and over again:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 276, in ?
    lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
    self.__write()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
    fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/lib/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.crash.30060'


I really have no idea what's wrong here or how to fix it.  Any help would be
most appreciated.

 - Victor
*****************************
Victor Allen
MIDN 1/c, USNR
Brother, Delta Chi Fraternity
email: victor at squorch.com




From wolf at wolfstream.net  Mon Nov 25 04:09:28 2002
From: wolf at wolfstream.net (Tom Whiting)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 21:09:28 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner error  (locks, maybe?)
In-Reply-To: <01ca01c2942d$71f86aa0$6501a8c0@boom>
References: <01ca01c2942d$71f86aa0$6501a8c0@boom>
Message-ID: <200211242109.28681.wolf@wolfstream.net>

Your logs tell it all;)
Check the permissions on the files, I believe there's a permcheck script in 
the mailman directory.. Run that as root.
On Sunday 24 November 2002 8:50 pm, Victor Allen wrote:
> Background:
>
> Debian Stable with Postfix as MTA and Apache as webserver.
>
> After apt-get install-ing mailman, I get the following crontab error over
> and over again:
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 276, in ?
>     lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
>   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
>     self.__write()
>   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
>     fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> '/var/lib/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.crash.30060'
>
>
> I really have no idea what's wrong here or how to fix it.  Any help would
> be most appreciated.
>
>  - Victor
> *****************************
> Victor Allen
> MIDN 1/c, USNR
> Brother, Delta Chi Fraternity
> email: victor at squorch.com
>
>
>
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From mary at bgumail.bgu.ac.il  Mon Nov 25 09:19:36 2002
From: mary at bgumail.bgu.ac.il (Marina Markus)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:19:36 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to eliminate footer?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0211242054300.95154-100000@pooh.ASARian.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0211251011580.22760-100000@sansana.bgu.ac.il>


Hello Fuzzy,

Thank you for your answer - I also paid attention that
mail clients other than Pine don't show this "Note" footer,
and one of the theories was that this is in fact information
contained in headers.

However, it only means that I should reformulate my question:
is there a way to make Mailman not to add headers like List-Help,
List-Post etc. ?

Marina Markus
Ben-Gurion University
======================
mary at bgumail.bgu.ac.il

On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Fuzzy wrote:

> 
> On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Marina Markus wrote:
> 
> >
> >    [ Note: This message contains email list management information ]
> >
> >
> > Does anyone know how to clean messages totally of any extra lines?
> >
> > Please answer directly to my email and not [only] to the list.
> > Thank you in advance,
> 
> 
> 
> That looks like Pine's telling you the list-LISTNAME: headers
> exist and giving you a way to access them. I guess you could
> tell MM to not produce them for that list? I see the same message
> when I read list mail with the list-listname: headers.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> /"\   ASCII Ribbon Campaign  | Fuzzy, SysAdmin,
> \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail  | ASARian.org
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> / \
> 
> 
> 



From fish at livingsky.net  Mon Nov 25 13:56:30 2002
From: fish at livingsky.net (fish)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 06:56:30 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner error  
In-Reply-To: <200211242109.28681.wolf@wolfstream.net>
Message-ID: <FFEHJKDOKCCPDELMCLCACENEDGAA.fish@livingsky.net>

I am also having qrunner problems, but they have to do with the
/etc/cron.d/mailman that tries to run. I am getting an authentication error
in my logs, (Nov 24 22:03:01 livingsky CRON[27016]: Authentication service
cannot retrieve authentication info.) and was wondering (after someone else
told me to look there) if anyone on this list has a /etc/pam.d/qrunner file
setup on their system and if they could share it with me.

My setup is debian, exim, mailman, apache.

Also, the owners of the files in /usr/lib/mailman/cron/ which is what I
think that /etc/cron.d/mailman calls is root:list. Should this be list:list?

Robert Lydiate
icon at accesscomm.ca




From ckolar at imsa.edu  Mon Nov 25 16:31:31 2002
From: ckolar at imsa.edu (Christopher Kolar)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:31:31 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] forcing addition of  "hostile address"
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021125092736.03bf01c8@mail.imsa.edu>

Hello.  I am trying to add a person to a mail list and having some 
problems.  Their organization runs some sort of bestial mail system where 
the addresses are of the form:

         schmoe.j/bhs at dns.u99.k12.il.us

When I try to drop the address in through the mass subscribe screen I get 
the following message from Mailman:

         * Joe Schmoe -- Hostile address (illegal characters)

My guess is that the / is getting parsed by Mm as an attempt to reference a 
file (a la majordomo).  Is there a way to force the address onto the 
subscriber list?  It is an actual valid address for delivery.

Thanks in advance,

--chris




/////\\\\\/////\\\\\
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    Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy
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<http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar>staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar --  PGP Public Key 
ID: 0xC6492C72
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From ctgreybeard at snet.net  Mon Nov 25 16:46:19 2002
From: ctgreybeard at snet.net (Bill Waggoner)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:46:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] forcing addition of  "hostile address"
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021125092736.03bf01c8@mail.imsa.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021125103717.024128f0@pop.snet.yahoo.com>

Majordomo would tell you the same thing but I agree that it is a legal 
address (we use similar addresses internally at work) and should be 
accepted.   RFC2822 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html) clearly allows 
it in the local-part (Section 3.4.1) as a dot-atom.

This should be fixed but in the mean time I don't think you are going to 
get it into mailman.

Bill W.

At 09:31 AM 11/25/2002 -0600, Christopher Kolar wrote:
>Hello.  I am trying to add a person to a mail list and having some 
>problems.  Their organization runs some sort of bestial mail system where 
>the addresses are of the form:
>
>         schmoe.j/bhs at dns.u99.k12.il.us
>
>When I try to drop the address in through the mass subscribe screen I get 
>the following message from Mailman:
>
>         * Joe Schmoe -- Hostile address (illegal characters)
>
>My guess is that the / is getting parsed by Mm as an attempt to reference 
>a file (a la majordomo).  Is there a way to force the address onto the 
>subscriber list?  It is an actual valid address for delivery.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>--chris
>
>
>
>/////\\\\\/////\\\\\
>Christopher G. Kolar
>    Coordinator of Information Technology Integration
>    Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy
>  ckolar at imsa.edu  -- 
> <http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar>staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar --  PGP Public Key 
> ID: 0xC6492C72
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From sb.list at sb.org  Mon Nov 25 16:50:30 2002
From: sb.list at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:50:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to eliminate footer?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0211251011580.22760-100000@sansana.bgu.ac.il>
Message-ID: <BA07B0F6.4FBFB%sb.list@sb.org>

On the General Options page for the list, set

Should messages from this mailing list include the RFC 2369  (i.e. List-*)
headers?

to "No".

 - Stoney

On 11/25/02 3:19 AM, "Marina Markus" <mary at bgumail.bgu.ac.il> wrote:

> 
> Hello Fuzzy,
> 
> Thank you for your answer - I also paid attention that
> mail clients other than Pine don't show this "Note" footer,
> and one of the theories was that this is in fact information
> contained in headers.
> 
> However, it only means that I should reformulate my question:
> is there a way to make Mailman not to add headers like List-Help,
> List-Post etc. ?
> 
> Marina Markus
> Ben-Gurion University
> ======================
> mary at bgumail.bgu.ac.il



From jgon7 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 25 18:43:56 2002
From: jgon7 at yahoo.com (Jaime Gonzalez)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:43:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Information, please!!!
Message-ID: <20021125174356.1579.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com>


 Hi:

   I'm a beginner with Mailman.. Could someone tell me where I can found information about it?, please..

 Thanks in advance!!!




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From jeremyp at pobox.com  Mon Nov 25 19:21:24 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 25 Nov 2002 13:21:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Information, please!!!
In-Reply-To: <20021125174356.1579.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20021125174356.1579.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1038248488.2076.4.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 12:43, Jaime Gonzalez wrote:
> 
>  Hi:
> 
>    I'm a beginner with Mailman.. Could someone tell me where I can found information about it?, please..
> 

>From the footer of every message sent to this list:

> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

That should get you started... especially the FAQ.
Also see http://www.list.org/

--Jeremy



From jgon7 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 25 19:34:41 2002
From: jgon7 at yahoo.com (Jaime Gonzalez)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:34:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Information, please!!!
In-Reply-To: <1038248488.2076.4.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
Message-ID: <20021125183441.9399.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com>


Thanks!!
  I am review it, but exist other place about it?, not a forum, rather a tutorial...
 Jeremy Portzer <jeremyp at pobox.com> wrote:On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 12:43, Jaime Gonzalez wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> 
> I'm a beginner with Mailman.. Could someone tell me where I can found information about it?, please..
> 

>From the footer of every message sent to this list:

> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

That should get you started... especially the FAQ.
Also see http://www.list.org/

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From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net  Mon Nov 25 20:23:54 2002
From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes)
Date: 25 Nov 2002 11:23:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Information, please!!!
In-Reply-To: <20021125183441.9399.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20021125183441.9399.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1038252236.3141.77.camel@galileo.carola.lan>

On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 10:34, Jaime Gonzalez wrote:
>   I am review it, but exist other place about it?, not a forum, rather a tutorial...

Jaime,
Mailman documentation is available here:
http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/

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From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu  Mon Nov 25 21:54:40 2002
From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:54:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New apache is causing my mailman to fail...
Message-ID: <200211252057.gAPKvIx7016922@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>

Still having troubles...

I thought I'd start somewhat from scratch this time.  Since mailman is failing 
with python errors that reference ssl, I've cleared out the ssl directory
so that the ssl dir had nothing from a prior version in it.  I rebuilt ssl 
(openssl-0.9.6g), and then, I rebuilt python 2.2.2, so that python, when being 
built, will only see the fresh openssl.

Afterwords, I bring up mailman/listinfo via our web server, and once again 
received the error in the browser about a bug in Mailman 2.08

The logs from mailman this time indicate something different from last time.  If 
you recall, last time, I was receiving:

admin(3540): ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python: fatal: 
/usr/local/ssl/lib/libssl.so.0.9.6: bad ELF flags value: 768

Clearly, ssl looked involved.  But, this go around led to different errors, not 
related to ssl (as far as I can see.)

admin(3771): ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python: fatal: 
/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/_socket.so: bad ELF flags value: 256

Can anyone help out with this?  The full error listing is below.

Thanks!

Steve

admin(3771): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.8 -----]
admin(3771): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(3771): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(3771):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 80, in run_main
admin(3771):     import Mailman.pythonlib.cgi
admin(3771):   File "../Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py", line 31, in ?
admin(3771):     import urllib
admin(3771):   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ?
admin(3771):     import socket
admin(3771):   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ?
admin(3771):     from _socket import *
admin(3771): ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python: fatal: 
/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/_socket.so: bad ELF flags value: 256
admin(3771): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(3771): sys.version    = 2.2.2 (#1, Nov 25 2002, 15:28:57) 
[GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)]
admin(3771): sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python
admin(3771): sys.prefix     = /usr/local
admin(3771): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local
admin(3771): sys.path       = /usr/local
admin(3771): sys.platform   = sunos5
admin(3771): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(3771):    PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman
admin(3771):    SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.2.3 mod_perl/1.27
admin(3771):    SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
admin(3771):    SERVER_ADMIN: webmaster at cs.jhu.edu
admin(3771):    SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/listinfo
admin(3771):    SCRIPT_URI: http://www.cs.jhu.edu/mailman/listinfo
admin(3771):    SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.27 Server at 
www.cs.jhu.edu Port 80</ADDRESS>

admin(3771):    REQUEST_METHOD: GET
admin(3771):    HTTP_HOST: www.cs.jhu.edu
admin(3771):    SCRIPT_URL: /mailman/listinfo
admin(3771):    SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(3771):    QUERY_STRING: 
admin(3771):    HTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive
admin(3771):    HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL: max-age=0
admin(3771):    REQUEST_URI: /mailman/listinfo
admin(3771):    HTTP_ACCEPT: 
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,
video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,text/css,*/*;q=0.1
admin(3771):    HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: ISO-8859-1, utf-8;q=0.66, *;q=0.66
admin(3771):    HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; 
rv:1.1) Gecko/20020829
admin(3771):    TZ: US/Eastern
admin(3771):    SERVER_NAME: www.cs.jhu.edu
admin(3771):    REMOTE_ADDR: 128.220.13.39
admin(3771):    REMOTE_PORT: 42200
admin(3771):    HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us, en;q=0.50
admin(3771):    SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(3771):    GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(3771):    DOCUMENT_ROOT: /users/httpd/htdocs
admin(3771):    HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate, compress;q=0.9
admin(3771):    SERVER_ADDR: 128.220.13.101
admin(3771):    HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE: 300




From simonchan at shaolinmicro.com  Tue Nov 26 02:19:36 2002
From: simonchan at shaolinmicro.com (Simon Chan)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:19:36 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] run add_members command in apache (php)
Message-ID: <3DE2CC28.8060703@shaolinmicro.com>

Dear all,

I just install mailman and want to add members directly in my own web 
page and not use the mailman provided one. However, the command 
/var/mailman/bin/add_members cannot be run in web page. I use php 
function call

system("/var/mailman/bin/add_members -d mailing-lists abc", $return_value)

mailing-lists is the filename that stores the email address that want to 
add into list.
abc is the list name.

I try to use apache user to run this command in console and it works. 
But, cannot add members using this command in php.
Anyone know how to solve it??

Thanks.
I use Redhat 7.3

Regards

Simon










From chris at yonderway.com  Tue Nov 26 05:17:21 2002
From: chris at yonderway.com (Chris Hedemark)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 23:17:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Information, please!!!
In-Reply-To: <20021125174356.1579.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F54A61FE-00F5-11D7-A1AE-0003939CC61E@yonderway.com>

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On Monday, November 25, 2002, at 12:43 PM, Jaime Gonzalez wrote:



> ?Hi:

>

> ?? I'm a beginner with Mailman.. Could someone tell me where I can 

> found information about it?, please..

>

> ?Thanks in advance!!!



http://list.org/



In general, http://google.org should be your search engine.  If you 

found this mailing list, I suspect it would have been easier to find 

the project site.



Chris Hedemark

Hillsborough, NC

http://yonderway.com





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From mmusers at coolarrow.com  Tue Nov 26 05:54:43 2002
From: mmusers at coolarrow.com (Chris)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:54:43 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searching arhives
Message-ID: <200211252254430762.07DE556C@coolarrow.com>


Don't want to sound like I'm beating a dead horse, but does anyone have any idea if/when there are plans to add archive searching capabilities to a new version anytime in the near future?

I am with a hosting company that implements Mailman via CPanel control panel, so I'm not sure how much "customizing" I can do (ie: adding external searching capabilities, etc).

Chris




From mmusers at coolarrow.com  Tue Nov 26 05:56:04 2002
From: mmusers at coolarrow.com (Chris)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:56:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce-only lists?
Message-ID: <200211252256040478.07DF90B8@coolarrow.com>


How does one set up an announce-only list? I didn't see that option listed, but I could have missed it. I was actually hoping that I could set up a list with about 200 people subscribed, but only about 5 of them have posting capabilities.

Chris




From thry007 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 26 06:02:53 2002
From: thry007 at yahoo.com (Blank Noname)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 21:02:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extracting member list from remote mailman server
Message-ID: <20021126050253.50029.qmail@web40410.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello Folks,

Can any of you point me to a script that will 
perform the following?

I have admin access to a Mailman list, but not
system operations on the (remote) Mailman server
(i.e., I use the web based admin access). 

I need to extract the memberlist (which is shown
in alphebetical order a segment at a time under
member management menu). Is there a script (Perl,
Python etc) that would recursively extract the
pages from the server and save to the local host?
The list must be closed - so use of "who" is not an 
option.

I tried searching the web with possible keywords, 
but did not have any luck.

Thanks in advance.

Tilak



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From chris at yonderway.com  Tue Nov 26 07:07:09 2002
From: chris at yonderway.com (Chris Hedemark)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 01:07:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cobalt RaQ Mailman HOWTO (for the archives)
Message-ID: <4BE3671C-0105-11D7-B5D3-0003939CC61E@yonderway.com>

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This message is for the archives, as it seems every couple of days I 
get someone emailing me asking for a HOWTO I supposedly wrote on the 
subject (thanks to my good friend John Carnes who posted that back on 
Apr 23, 2002)

I have not written a HOWTO on how to get Mailman to work on the Cobalt 
RaQ.  I have gotten it to work, on a consulting basis, and it worked 
fine (though it does not install like a normal system).  I'm happy to 
do it again on a consulting basis, but really don't have the time to 
write a book on the subject.  Hopefully this message will come up in 
searches before the other one.

For those of you considering PURCHASING a Cobalt RaQ for the purpose of 
running Mailman, please don't.  I'm not referring to any fault of 
Mailman, but the RaQ can be thought of like a toaster.  A toaster will 
apply heat to toast for a certain amount of time and eject the finished 
toast.  That's all a toaster does, but it does it really well.  
Toasters make lousy coffee machines.  IMHO, you'll save yourself some 
$$$ and aggravation if you purchase kit that runs a more standardized 
version of Linux, *BSD, Solaris, etc.  For about $1,000 you can have a 
really stellar 1U rackmount machine running a more standardized OS 
flavor and move more mail in less time than the low performance RaQ 
hardware.  If you're going to run really mondo huge high traffic 
mailing lists, the RaQ isn't going to keep up with your demands anyway. 
  So no matter how you slice it, the RaQ is not a cost effective 
platform for deploying Mailman.  I have other beefs with the platform 
that I won't get into here because they aren't Mailman specific.  Yes, 
I can get it to work.  No, I wouldn't promote this as a good platform 
for your mailing list server.

Chris Hedemark
Hillsborough, NC
http://yonderway.com

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From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Tue Nov 26 07:13:24 2002
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:13:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extracting member list from remote mailman server
In-Reply-To: <20021126050253.50029.qmail@web40410.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0211252211500.25563-100000@gort.cjb.net>

On Nov 25, 2002 at 21:02, Blank Noname wrote:

>I have admin access to a Mailman list, but not
>system operations on the (remote) Mailman server
>(i.e., I use the web based admin access). 

Not even telnet? (Or ssh, whichever's applicable.) If you have telnet
access you can run bin/list_members.

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From brianr at bjsystems.co.uk  Tue Nov 26 08:36:06 2002
From: brianr at bjsystems.co.uk (Brian Read)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:36:06 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce-only lists?
In-Reply-To: <200211252256040478.07DF90B8@coolarrow.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021126073444.03060ec8@server01>

At 04:56 26/11/2002, Chris wrote:

>How does one set up an announce-only list? I didn't see that option 
>listed, but I could have missed it. I was actually hoping that I could set 
>up a list with about 200 people subscribed, but only about 5 of them have 
>posting capabilities.
>
>Chris
>

This gets asked about once a week!  Please look in the FAQ:


http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp


Cheers

Brian




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>
>This message was sent to: brianr at bjsystems.co.uk
>Unsubscribe or change your options at
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From sagi at boom.org.il  Tue Nov 26 08:50:01 2002
From: sagi at boom.org.il (Sagi Bashari)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:50:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce-only lists?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021126073444.03060ec8@server01>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021126073444.03060ec8@server01>
Message-ID: <3DE327A9.9000700@boom.org.il>

On 26/11/2002 09:36, Brian Read wrote:

> At 04:56 26/11/2002, Chris wrote:
>
>> How does one set up an announce-only list? I didn't see that option 
>> listed, but I could have missed it. I was actually hoping that I 
>> could set up a list with about 200 people subscribed, but only about 
>> 5 of them have posting capabilities.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>
> This gets asked about once a week!  Please look in the FAQ:
>
>
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp

I asked this before but never got an answer - Is there any way to 
automate posting to moderated list?

I want to send a daily newsletter to moderated list, generated by a 
script on the server. I don't want to go and approve the message 
everyday. Is there any way to write the message directly to the mailman 
queue, like after the moderation stage?

Sagi




From lists at moz.co.nz  Tue Nov 26 08:57:33 2002
From: lists at moz.co.nz (Moz)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:57:33 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce-only lists?
In-Reply-To: <3DE327A9.9000700@boom.org.il>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021126073444.03060ec8@server01>
 <3DE327A9.9000700@boom.org.il>
Message-ID: <336990301.20021126185733@moz.co.nz>

Sagi wrote:

> I asked this before but never got an answer - Is there any way to
> automate posting to moderated list?

Why not just add the script "from" address to the list of posters who
don't need approval? Or am I missing something obvious?

Moz



From QSL at softhome.net  Tue Nov 26 09:36:07 2002
From: QSL at softhome.net (Tim)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 03:36:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is this real? (Missing Password Message)
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021126032125.03c67e40@mail.nethawk.com>

One of my list managers forwarded the below to me and I've never seen 
anything like it before.  My question is: Is this a legitimate Mailman 
v2.0.8 message or is it a worm generated message (notice the "To: 
undisclosed-recipients: ;")?  Note I've replaced the valid user address 
with x's

-------- Original Message --------
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 19:57:41 -0500 (EST)
From: elecraft-admin at mailman.qth.net
To: undisclosed-recipients: ;

Mailman noticed in .MailUserPassword() that:
Subject: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net user xxxxxx at xxx.xxx missing password!
From: elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net
To: elecraft-admin at mailman.qth.net
X-No-Archive: yes
X-Ack: no
Sender: elecraft-admin at mailman.qth.net
Errors-To: elecraft-admin at mailman.qth.net
X-BeenThere: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8
Precedence: bulk

         User: 'xxxxxx at xxx.xxx'
         List: elecraft

lacks a password. Please notify the Mailman system manager at this
site!



From sagi at boom.org.il  Tue Nov 26 17:33:40 2002
From: sagi at boom.org.il (Sagi Bashari)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:33:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce-only lists?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021126073444.03060ec8@server01>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021126073444.03060ec8@server01>
	<3DE327A9.9000700@boom.org.il> <336990301.20021126185733@moz.co.nz>
Message-ID: <3DE3A264.1040608@boom.org.il>

On 26/11/2002 09:57, Moz wrote:

>Sagi wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I asked this before but never got an answer - Is there any way to
>>automate posting to moderated list?
>>    
>>
>
>Why not just add the script "from" address to the list of posters who
>don't need approval? Or am I missing something obvious?
>
>  
>
Because faking the 'From' header is easy.

Sagi





From dax at gurulabs.com  Sat Nov 23 05:12:38 2002
From: dax at gurulabs.com (Dax Kelson)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 04:12:38 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
 SOLVED: Postfix+Mailman alias-free and in separate namespace
Message-ID: <1032247796.1341.15.camel@mentor>

I've created the script postfix-to-mailman.py. Python seemed natural, as
mailman is written in python, and invoking postfix-to-mailman.py script
on delivery to mailman just warms up the disk cache with all the python
code and speeds invocation of mailman.

Postfix configuration samples (thanks Wietse) can be found inside the
script itself. The script is heavily based on the qmail-to-postfix
script by Bruce Perens.

You can get the script at:

http://www.gurulabs.com/downloads.html

Dax Kelson
Guru Labs


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From cdark at wildlife-resort.com  Tue Nov 26 03:08:19 2002
From: cdark at wildlife-resort.com (Charles Dark)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 20:08:19 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation help
Message-ID: <MNEOJIDCKOGFJKENOAHEGEMACOAA.cdark@wildlife-resort.com>

I was wondering if you would help me get mailman installed.

Charles

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From vitor at softinfo.com.br  Sun Nov 24 15:23:13 2002
From: vitor at softinfo.com.br (Vitor de Matos Carvalho)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 12:23:13 -0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change to Password
Message-ID: <000d01c293c5$067163d0$020aa8c0@acaraje>

Hi..
I am trying to change the password of Administrator in the list page, only
that it is giving the following error:
Bug in Mailman version 2.0.13
 We're sorry, we hit a bug!
 Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been
 explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the
Mailman error logs.


Nov 24 12:21:43 2002 admin(30986):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(30986): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.13 -----]
admin(30986): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(30986): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(30986):   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in
run_main
admin(30986):     main()
admin(30986):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 154, in
main
admin(30986):     ChangeOptions(mlist, category, cgidata, doc)
admin(30986):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 817, in
ChangeOptions
admin(30986):     mlist.WebAuthenticate(password=new, cookie='admin')
admin(30986):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line
68, in WebAuthenticate
admin(30986):     self.ConfirmAdminPassword(password)
admin(30986):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line
56, in ConfirmAdminPassword
admin(30986):     raise Errors.MMBadPasswordError
admin(30986): MMBadPasswordError


 Regards,
 Vitor de Matos Carvalho
 System Network Administrator - Softinfo Network
 FreeBSD - The Power To Serve



From icon at accesscomm.ca  Mon Nov 25 06:58:06 2002
From: icon at accesscomm.ca (Bob)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 23:58:06 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner error  
In-Reply-To: <200211242109.28681.wolf@wolfstream.net>
Message-ID: <FFEHJKDOKCCPDELMCLCAGENBDGAA.icon@accesscomm.ca>

I am also having qrunner problems, but they have to do with the
/etc/cron.d/mailman that tries to run. I am getting an authentication error
in my logs, (Nov 24 22:03:01 livingsky CRON[27016]: Authentication service
cannot retrieve authentication info.) and was wondering (after someone else
told me to look there) if anyone on this list has a /etc/pam.d/qrunner file
setup on their system and if they could share it with me.

My setup is debian, exim, mailman, apache.

Also, the owners of the files in /usr/lib/mailman/cron/ which is what I
think that /etc/cron.d/mailman calls is root:list. Should this be list:list?

Robert Lydiate
icon at accesscomm.ca




From devra.rochelle at sure-wood.com  Mon Nov 25 17:44:26 2002
From: devra.rochelle at sure-wood.com (Devra Rochelle)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:44:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] need to authorize a posting
Message-ID: <FMEJIJFAGNCAFMNCDNJLMEBNCAAA.devra.rochelle@sure-wood.com>

The previous systems administrator for our company is no longer employed
here. I am his replacement, and have receive emails stating, "as list
administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing
list posting". My predecessor left no documentation as the password I should
use to approve or deny the request, or any way to seek help with the
program. How can I get in?

Also, I am unable to open a window to edit our mailing lists - including to
add my own name! I have a couple of other questions as well. I can be
reached at (513) 351-5705 or this email address. Any assistance you can give
me will be greatly appreciated.

Devra Rochelle
Systems Analyst
Sure-Wood Forest Products




From fil at rezo.net  Sat Nov 23 08:44:36 2002
From: fil at rezo.net (Fil)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:44:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
 Re: [Mailman-Developers] SOLVED: Postfix+Mailman alias-free and in
 separate namespace
In-Reply-To: <1032247796.1341.15.camel@mentor>
References: <1032247796.1341.15.camel@mentor>
Message-ID: <20021123074436.GC1017@rezo.net>

Hi Dax,

I've been doing something similar for a while, but without a script, just
by using postfix's virtual and regexp tools. - http://listes.rezo.net/how.php
This approach first checks if the address is a "hard" one (ie mentioned in
the virtual for rezo.net), then , if not, sends it to a regexp domain where
everything is sent to Mailman, either to a -bounce, -on, -off (and so on)
script, or else to the 'post' script.

@ Dax Kelson <dax at gurulabs.com> :
> I've created the script postfix-to-mailman.py. Python seemed natural, as
> mailman is written in python, and invoking postfix-to-mailman.py script
> on delivery to mailman just warms up the disk cache with all the python
> code and speeds invocation of mailman.
> 
> Postfix configuration samples (thanks Wietse) can be found inside the
> script itself. The script is heavily based on the qmail-to-postfix
> script by Bruce Perens.
> 
> You can get the script at:
> 
> http://www.gurulabs.com/downloads.html
> 
> Dax Kelson
> Guru Labs

-- Fil



From michael at snowcreative.com  Mon Nov 25 19:26:09 2002
From: michael at snowcreative.com (Michael Snow)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:26:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <a05111b0bba081ad5c581@[192.168.181.152]>

I'm maintaining several email lists using Mailman, but I can't find 
any way to get a list of subscribers emailed to me. I have the list 
of subscribers set to be shown to the administrator only, not 
members, and would like to be able to get the list by email using my 
admin password. Is there any way to do this? The email Help file 
doesn't list this as an option specifically.
-- 


_______________________
Michael Snow
Snow Creative Services
mailto:michael at snowcreative.com
http://snowcreative.com

please FTP files larger than 900K to:
ftp://snowcreative.com/incoming


From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu  Tue Nov 26 19:07:35 2002
From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:07:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP!  Getting different Import Error:
 python2.2/lib-dynload/_socket.so: bad ELF flags value: 256
Message-ID: <200211261810.gAQIAEx7025861@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>

Anyone familiar with the error (we're running python 2.2.2 and mailman 2.08):

admin(7162): ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python: fatal: 
/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/_socket.so: bad ELF flags value: 256

more details below.   Thanks!    Steve

admin(7153):    DOCUMENT_ROOT: /users/httpd/htdocs
Nov 26 11:19:04 2002 admin(7162): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(7162): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.8 -----]
admin(7162): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(7162): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(7162):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 80, in run_main
admin(7162):     import Mailman.pythonlib.cgi
admin(7162):   File "../Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py", line 31, in ?
admin(7162):     import urllib
admin(7162):   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ?
admin(7162):     import socket
admin(7162):   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ?
admin(7162):     from _socket import *
admin(7162): ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python: fatal: 
/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/_socket.so: bad ELF flags value: 256
admin(7162): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(7162): sys.version    = 2.2.2 (#1, Nov 25 2002, 15:28:57) 
[GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)]
admin(7162): sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python
admin(7162): sys.prefix     = /usr/local
admin(7162): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local
admin(7162): sys.path       = /usr/local
admin(7162): sys.platform   = sunos5
admin(7162): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(7162):    HTTP_PRAGMA: no-cache
admin(7162):    PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman
admin(7162):    SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.2.3 mod_perl/1.27
admin(7162):    SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
admin(7162):    SERVER_ADMIN: webmaster at cs.jhu.edu
admin(7162):    SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin
admin(7162):    SCRIPT_URI: http://www.cs.jhu.edu/mailman/admin
admin(7162):    SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.27 Server at 
www.cs.jhu.edu Port 80</ADDRESS>

admin(7162):    REQUEST_METHOD: GET
admin(7162):    HTTP_HOST: www.cs.jhu.edu
admin(7162):    SCRIPT_URL: /mailman/admin
admin(7162):    SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0
admin(7162):    QUERY_STRING: 
admin(7162):    HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(7162):    REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin
admin(7162):    HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, 
image/pjpeg, image/png, */*
admin(7162):    HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8
admin(7162):    HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.6 sun4u)
admin(7162):    TZ: US/Eastern
admin(7162):    SERVER_NAME: www.cs.jhu.edu
admin(7162):    REMOTE_ADDR: 128.220.13.39
admin(7162):    REMOTE_PORT: 35634
admin(7162):    HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en
admin(7162):    SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(7162):    GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(7162):    HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip
admin(7162):    SERVER_ADDR: 128.220.13.101
admin(7162):    DOCUMENT_ROOT: /users/httpd/htdocs



From erich.neuwirth at univie.ac.at  Tue Nov 26 19:44:07 2002
From: erich.neuwirth at univie.ac.at (Erich Neuwirth)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 19:44:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] headings with logo
Message-ID: <3DE3C0F7.4080706@univie.ac.at>

is it possible to modify the header section of all
the web interface pages
to include a site specific logo?

-- 
--
Erich Neuwirth, Computer Supported Didactics Working Group
Visit our SunSITE at http://sunsite.univie.ac.at
Phone: +43-1-4277-38624 Fax: +43-1-4277-9386




From haroldp at sierraweb.com  Tue Nov 26 19:53:23 2002
From: haroldp at sierraweb.com (Harold Paulson)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:53:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] run add_members command in apache (php)
In-Reply-To: <3DE2CC28.8060703@shaolinmicro.com>
References: <3DE2CC28.8060703@shaolinmicro.com>
Message-ID: <p05100306ba0970555874@[216.162.173.6]>

Simon,

This is almost certainly a permissions problem.  See some of the 
posts I have made to the list in the past on this topic:

This tends to be very difficult.  The mailman scripts are run SGID so 
they can access files that are not readable by the rest of the web 
server, or other users on the system.  If you want a PHP script to be 
able to read the necessary files, you will have to change their 
permissions.  In particular, can do it by setting the config.db file 
o+r, or adding your mail server user to the mailman group.  This is a 
bad idea on a multi-user box though.  Check the archives for details 
on this.

here are a couple tips:

	1) At least during development, you will want to exec the mailman
	   scripts like: system("myprogram arg1 arg2 2>&1").  That way you will
	   see anything sent to STDERR

	2) all the CLI tools need to access mailman's config.db, which is 660
	   root.mailman.  So the owner of the web server process will at least
	   need to be added to the mailman group to read this.  It should be
	   noted that this is a gross security problem and would allow a
	   malicious user to of your system to do a lot of nasty things to
	   mailman and steal all  of the config info (like addresses that are
	   allowed to post to closed lists without approval).  You probably
	   don't want to do this on a  busy VHost machine.  The right thing to
	   do would be to write a little auth wrapper in Python that would
	   actually exec the tools, but I know fuck-all about Python, so I
	   haven't done that yet.

Good luck.

	- H


>Dear all,
>
>I just install mailman and want to add members directly in my own 
>web page and not use the mailman provided one. However, the command 
>/var/mailman/bin/add_members cannot be run in web page. I use php 
>function call
>
>system("/var/mailman/bin/add_members -d mailing-lists abc", $return_value)
>
>mailing-lists is the filename that stores the email address that 
>want to add into list.
>abc is the list name.
>
>I try to use apache user to run this command in console and it 
>works. But, cannot add members using this command in php.
>Anyone know how to solve it??
>
>Thanks.
>I use Redhat 7.3
>
>Regards
>
>Simon

-- 

Harold Paulson                  Sierra Web Design
haroldp at sierraweb.com           http://www.sierraweb.com
VOICE: 775.833.9500             FAX:   775-201-4458


From spamfilter2 at mupp.net  Tue Nov 26 21:11:27 2002
From: spamfilter2 at mupp.net (j2)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:11:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b5 make syntax error?
Message-ID: <020a01c29588$03b88370$7800a8c0@fozzie>

See end of enclosed dump for details.. Hints please?

[root at waldorf mailman-2.1b5]#
./configure --prefix=/home/mailman --with-username=exim --with-groupname=exi
m --with-mail-gid=501
creating cache ./config.cache
checking for --with-python... no
checking for python... /usr/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python
checking Python version... 2.2a1
checking that Python has distutils... yes
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for true... /bin/true
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking whether #! works in shell scripts... yes
checking for --with-var-prefix... no
checking for --with-permcheck... yes
checking for --with-username... exim
checking for user name "exim"... okay
checking for --with-groupname... exim
checking for group name "exim"... okay
checking permissions on /home/mailman... okay
checking for mail wrapper group; i.e. --with-mail-gid... exim
checking for CGI wrapper group; i.e. --with-cgi-gid... nobody
checking for CGI extensions... no
checking for --with-mailhost... no
checking for --with-urlhost... no
checking for default mail host name... www.skyddsrummet.net
checking for default URL host component... www.skyddsrummet.net
checking for strerror... yes
checking for setregid... yes
checking for syslog... yes
checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E
checking for ANSI C header files... yes
checking for syslog.h... yes
checking for uid_t in sys/types.h... yes
checking type of array argument to getgroups... gid_t
checking for vsnprintf... yes
updating cache ./config.cache
creating ./config.status
creating misc/paths.py
creating Mailman/Defaults.py
creating Mailman/mm_cfg.py.dist
creating src/Makefile
creating misc/Makefile
creating bin/Makefile
creating Mailman/Makefile
creating Mailman/Cgi/Makefile
creating Mailman/Logging/Makefile
creating Mailman/Archiver/Makefile
creating Mailman/Commands/Makefile
creating Mailman/Handlers/Makefile
creating Mailman/Bouncers/Makefile
creating Mailman/Queue/Makefile
creating Mailman/MTA/Makefile
creating Mailman/Gui/Makefile
creating templates/Makefile
creating cron/Makefile
creating scripts/Makefile
creating messages/Makefile
creating cron/crontab.in
creating misc/mailman
creating Makefile
creating tests/Makefile
creating tests/bounces/Makefile
creating tests/msgs/Makefile
creating build/bin/add_members
creating build/bin/arch
creating build/bin/change_pw
creating build/bin/check_db
creating build/bin/check_perms
creating build/bin/cleanarch
creating build/bin/clone_member
creating build/bin/config_list
creating build/bin/convert.py
creating build/bin/dumpdb
creating build/bin/find_member
creating build/bin/fix_url.py
creating build/bin/genaliases
creating build/bin/inject
creating build/bin/list_admins
creating build/bin/list_lists
creating build/bin/list_members
creating build/bin/mailmanctl
creating build/bin/mmsitepass
creating build/bin/newlist
creating build/bin/pygettext.py
creating build/bin/qrunner
creating build/bin/remove_members
creating build/bin/rmlist
creating build/bin/sync_members
creating build/bin/transcheck
creating build/bin/unshunt
creating build/bin/update
creating build/bin/version
creating build/bin/withlist
creating build/bin/b4b5-archfix
creating build/contrib/check_perms_grsecurity.py
creating build/contrib/qmail-to-mailman.py
creating build/contrib/rotatelogs.py
creating build/cron/bumpdigests
creating build/cron/checkdbs
creating build/cron/disabled
creating build/cron/gate_news
creating build/cron/mailpasswds
creating build/cron/nightly_gzip
creating build/cron/senddigests
[root at waldorf mailman-2.1b5]# make install
Creating architecture independent directories...
chmod o-r /home/mailman/archives/private
Creating architecture dependent directories...
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/root/download/mailman/mailman-2.1b5/bin'
for f in mmsitepass newlist rmlist add_members list_members remove_members
clone_member update arch sync_members check_db withlist check_perms
find_member version config_list list_lists dumpdb cleanarch list_admins
genaliases change_pw mailmanctl qrunner inject unshunt fix_url.py convert.py
transcheck b4b5-archfix; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 755 ../build/bin/$f /home/mailman/bin; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/root/download/mailman/mailman-2.1b5/bin'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/root/download/mailman/mailman-2.1b5/cron'
for f in crontab.in; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/cron; \
done
for f in checkdbs mailpasswds senddigests gate_news nightly_gzip bumpdigests
disabled; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 755 ../build/cron/$f /home/mailman/cron; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/root/download/mailman/mailman-2.1b5/cron'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/root/download/mailman/mailman-2.1b5/misc'
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 *.jpg *.png /home/mailman/icons
for d in bin cron scripts; \
do \
    dir=/home/mailman/$d; \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 paths.py $dir; \
done
/usr/bin/install -c -m 755 mailman /home/mailman/scripts
for p in email-2.4.3 JapaneseCodecs-1.4.9 KoreanCodecs-2.0.5; \
do \
    gunzip -c $p.tar.gz | tar xf -; \
    (cd $p ; umask 02 ; PYTHONPATH=/home/mailman/pythonlib /usr/bin/python
setup.py --quiet install --install-lib
/home/mailman/pythonlib --install-purelib
/home/mailman/pythonlib --install-data /home/mailman/pythonlib); \
done
  File "/home/mailman/pythonlib/email/_compat22.py", line 31
    return i // j
              ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax



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From greg at gregwestin.com  Tue Nov 26 21:42:31 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:42:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner dying problem
Message-ID: <Pine.OSX.4.44.0211261534040.6963-300000@westin>

I asked this question a while back, but didn't receive an answer:

I'm running Mailman 2.1b on OS X with Postfix, and have tried to set
things up so that Mailman starts automatically when I boot up (see the
attached text files, if attachments are allowed on mailman-users).  I've
noticed, however, that Mailman doesn't seem to start up automatically when
I reboot, and sometimes the qrunners will just stop working.  When either
of these things happens, my mailing lists can be down for hours without my
knowing it, because the mail is received and sent to Mailman just fine, it
just never gets sent out.

I didn't know what to do about this, so I used the following crude method.
I simply added a root cron job that runs every hour that calls the startup
item I attached (/Library/StartupItems/Mailman/Mailman).  This keeps the
system from being down for more than an hour, but is obviously not a good
solution, and it generates an error message every hour telling me that the
qrunners are fine.

What could be going wrong here? I saw something that described a similar
problem and advised running check_perms, but I just ran it and the only
problems were with directory permissions on my private archives (I don't
know why this is happening, either, but they show up with incorrect
permissions).

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide,

Greg Westin

---
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http://www.gregwestin.com/
Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php
-------------- next part --------------
{
	Description   = "Mailman List Server";
	Provides      = ("Mailman");
	Requires      = ("Disks","Network");
	OrderPreference    = "None";
	Messages =
	{
		start = "Starting Mailman qrunners";
		stop  = "Stopping Mailman qrunners";
	};
}
-------------- next part --------------
#!/bin/sh

. /etc/rc.common

##
# Start Mailman mail list server
##

if [ "${MAILMAN:=-NO-}" = "-YES-" ]; then

	ConsoleMessage "Starting Mailman"

	/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start

fi

From jd_waverly at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 26 22:06:27 2002
From: jd_waverly at yahoo.com (john)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:06:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SSL bugs 2.1b5
Message-ID: <20021126210627.28698.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com>

I'm trying to run 2.1b5 under SSL.

Much of mailman appears to work except that links in
several places still have "http" instead of "https"
and also don't have my special port number that I am
using.  
The broken links appear to be using my
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST which of course is just
'mydomain.com' rather than DEFAULT_URL_HOST combined
with DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN.

Some of the links that are broken include:

Password section
  The link to the general options section

Membership management section
  All the alphabetical quick access tab links
  "Click here for legend to table" link

Administrative requests (this page is unusable)
  First "mailing list" link on page
  "More detailed instructions" link
  "View the details" of all held postings link
  All links to individual held postings
  "view all messages from ..." link
  Submit link

General list information page
   Private archive link 

Go to list archives link 

My mm_cfg.py file contains:

DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'main.mydomain.com'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mydomain.com'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s:1234/mailman/'
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL =
'https://%(hostname)s:1234/pipermail/%(listname)s'
PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL =
'https://%(hostname)s:1234/pipermail/%(listname)s'
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
MTA = 'Postfix'
IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/'
DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PROVATE = 1
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1
SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 0
VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = 1
VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1
VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = 1
VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = 1
DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 100
ADMINDB_PAGE_TEXT_LIMIT = 10000
OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = 1
DEFAULT_DEFAULT_MEMBER_MODERATION = 1
DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION = 1
DEFAULT_ADMIN_IMMED_NOTIFY = 0
DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 0
DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY = 0
ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = 1
DEFAULT_PRIVATE_ROSTER = 2
DEFAULT_BOUNCE_INFO_STALE_AFTER = days(60)
DEFAULT_BOUNCE_YOU_ARE_DISABLED_WARNINGS = 1
DEFAULT_BOUNCE_UNRECOGNIZED_GOES_TO_LIST_OWNER = 0
DEFAULT_BOUNCE_NOTIFY_OWNER_ON_DISABLE = 0
DEFAULT_BOUNCE_NOTIFY_OWNER_ON_REMOVAL = 0
DELIVERY_RETRY_PERIOD = days(1)
DEFAULT_MAX_NUM_RECIPIENTS = 1000000

If anyone has mailman already running over SSL I'd
appreciate some help.




  


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From jsingh at fdu.edu  Tue Nov 26 23:10:25 2002
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:10:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group Writable
Message-ID: <007d01c29598$9f0f68b0$9a0bee84@FDUJACK>

I keep getting this re occurring error can anyone tell me ,how to get
rid of this
 
Nov 26 17:04:02 dragon sendmail[31575]: gAQM42AN032413: forward
/home/mailman/.forward: World writable directory
Nov 26 17:05:02 dragon sendmail[9465]: gAQM52AN007811: forward
/home/mailman/.forward.dragon: World writable directory
 
thanks
 
Jaskaran Singh
University Systems & Security
Fairleigh Dickinson University
Teaneck, NJ 07666
 
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From jeremyp at pobox.com  Wed Nov 27 00:00:42 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 26 Nov 2002 18:00:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce-only lists?
In-Reply-To: <3DE3A264.1040608@boom.org.il>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021126073444.03060ec8@server01>
	<3DE327A9.9000700@boom.org.il> <336990301.20021126185733@moz.co.nz> 
	<3DE3A264.1040608@boom.org.il>
Message-ID: <1038351645.2076.78.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 11:33, Sagi Bashari wrote:
> On 26/11/2002 09:57, Moz wrote:
> 
> >
> >Why not just add the script "from" address to the list of posters who
> >don't need approval? Or am I missing something obvious?
> >
> >  
> >
> Because faking the 'From' header is easy.
> 

That's correct, but do you think you'll have actual problems with this
on your list?  I suppose it depends on the type of list, audience, etc. 
I think many people choose to approach this defensively -- if someone
does indeed fake the From: header, and manage to get a fake post
through, then they should be reported to their ISP, etc.  But I could
see how that would be unacceptable if you have a huge number of
subscribers and don't want to allow that one possibility.

--Jeremy



From info at psaportal.com  Wed Nov 27 00:07:15 2002
From: info at psaportal.com (PSAportal.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:07:15 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
 hiding email addresses from spammers (scraping) in archives
Message-ID: <002001c295a0$93e7e770$cc640a0a@PAULMAXWELL>

I have a question regarding hiding email addresses:

It appears that 'obscuring' emails consists to be replacement of the at
symbol with %40
- this is not adequate as many scraping products will recognize this

is there any option for public archives to really thwart scraping ?
eg.
me at myaddress.com to be shown as: me at myaddress dot com
[yes, this would invalidate any href=mailto links]

or by a javascript entry like:

<script language=javascript>
  <!--
  var aka = "my name"
  var prefix = "me"
  var domain = "myaddress.com"
  document.write("<a href=" + "mail" + "to:" + prefix + "@" + domain + ">" +
aka + "</a>" + ".")
  //-->
</script>
[yes, this won't work if javascript is unavailable]

I am using Mailman version 2.0.13





From naboat_webmaster at naboat.org  Wed Nov 27 00:10:14 2002
From: naboat_webmaster at naboat.org (naboat_webmaster at naboat.org)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:10:14 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cleaning out messages and archives
Message-ID: <07bb01c295a1$043c5010$7b00a8c0@CozmicCharlie>

I am trying to learn how to maintain the message archives in Mailman.  How can I remove a specific message, range of messages, or all messages?  Is there a web interface to do this (would be very nice) or how does one maintain the amount of messages saved, etc.

Thanks,
Capn.
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From jimpop at rocketship.com  Wed Nov 27 00:12:45 2002
From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:12:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Privacy Option: disguise email addresses
Message-ID: <FMELKIGJMCKDEONBJEDGIEIHEPAA.jimpop@rocketship.com>

Hi all,

I recently noticed that Mailman (even the version that hosts this list)
doesn't remove email address in processed emails.

The description: "Show member addrs so they're not directly recognizable as
email addrs?" sort of implies that email addresses embedded in replies will
be masked.

Is this type of functionality incorporated in future MM versions?

-Jim P.




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov 27 02:13:09 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 20:13:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group Writable
References: <007d01c29598$9f0f68b0$9a0bee84@FDUJACK>
Message-ID: <003201c295b2$28079ca0$1f32fc9e@burroughshome>

The setting is in your sendmail.cf file.  It's something like "DontBlameSendmail". You can find details at:
  http://www.sendmail.org

Good Luck - Jon Carnes (from the road)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jsingh 
  To: mailman-users at python.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 5:10 PM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group Writable


  I keep getting this re occurring error can anyone tell me ,how to get rid of this

   

  Nov 26 17:04:02 dragon sendmail[31575]: gAQM42AN032413: forward /home/mailman/.forward: World writable directory

  Nov 26 17:05:02 dragon sendmail[9465]: gAQM52AN007811: forward /home/mailman/.forward.dragon: World writable directory

   

  thanks

   

  Jaskaran Singh

  University Systems & Security

  Fairleigh Dickinson University

  Teaneck, NJ 07666

   



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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov 27 02:27:59 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 20:27:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cobalt RaQ Mailman HOWTO (for the archives)
References: <4BE3671C-0105-11D7-B5D3-0003939CC61E@yonderway.com>
Message-ID: <006701c295b4$3c0e0980$1f32fc9e@burroughshome>

My apologies to Chris!  I had intended to merely ask you to write a HowTo.
I didn't think I attributed one to you.

I've heard the harrowing tale of Chris's Herculean efforts at putting
Mailman on the Cobalt RaQ.  It was an amazing feat for which Chris was not
richly rewarded.  I won't relay more of what I've heard.  Suffice it to say
though that Chris now knows more about Mailman than 90% of this user base!

Take care - Jon Carnes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Hedemark" <chris at yonderway.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 1:07 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cobalt RaQ Mailman HOWTO (for the archives)


> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> This message is for the archives, as it seems every couple of days I
> get someone emailing me asking for a HOWTO I supposedly wrote on the
> subject (thanks to my good friend John Carnes who posted that back on
> Apr 23, 2002)
>
> I have not written a HOWTO on how to get Mailman to work on the Cobalt
> RaQ.  I have gotten it to work, on a consulting basis, and it worked
> fine (though it does not install like a normal system).  I'm happy to
> do it again on a consulting basis, but really don't have the time to
> write a book on the subject.  Hopefully this message will come up in
> searches before the other one.
>
> For those of you considering PURCHASING a Cobalt RaQ for the purpose of
> running Mailman, please don't.  I'm not referring to any fault of
> Mailman, but the RaQ can be thought of like a toaster.  A toaster will
> apply heat to toast for a certain amount of time and eject the finished
> toast.  That's all a toaster does, but it does it really well.
> Toasters make lousy coffee machines.  IMHO, you'll save yourself some
> $$$ and aggravation if you purchase kit that runs a more standardized
> version of Linux, *BSD, Solaris, etc.  For about $1,000 you can have a
> really stellar 1U rackmount machine running a more standardized OS
> flavor and move more mail in less time than the low performance RaQ
> hardware.  If you're going to run really mondo huge high traffic
> mailing lists, the RaQ isn't going to keep up with your demands anyway.
>   So no matter how you slice it, the RaQ is not a cost effective
> platform for deploying Mailman.  I have other beefs with the platform
> that I won't get into here because they aren't Mailman specific.  Yes,
> I can get it to work.  No, I wouldn't promote this as a good platform
> for your mailing list server.
>
> Chris Hedemark
> Hillsborough, NC
> http://yonderway.com
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov 27 02:30:52 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 20:30:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searching arhives
References: <200211252254430762.07DE556C@coolarrow.com>
Message-ID: <006f01c295b4$a0989000$1f32fc9e@burroughshome>

Adding HtDig to the installation is very, very easy.  Apply the patches from
Sourceforge and then follow the step by step directions and it will be done
in about 2 hours.

BTW: HtDig is a search engine, so it will index any of your local web
pages - not just the archives!

Good Luck - Jon Carnes
===
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <mmusers at coolarrow.com>
To: "Mailman User List" <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 11:54 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searching arhives



Don't want to sound like I'm beating a dead horse, but does anyone have any
idea if/when there are plans to add archive searching capabilities to a new
version anytime in the near future?

I am with a hosting company that implements Mailman via CPanel control
panel, so I'm not sure how much "customizing" I can do (ie: adding external
searching capabilities, etc).

Chris



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From daniel.richter at wimba.com  Wed Nov 27 09:49:23 2002
From: daniel.richter at wimba.com (Dan Richter)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:49:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce-only lists?
In-Reply-To: <1038351645.2076.78.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
References: <3DE3A264.1040608@boom.org.il>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20021126073444.03060ec8@server01>
 <3DE327A9.9000700@boom.org.il>
 <336990301.20021126185733@moz.co.nz>
 <3DE3A264.1040608@boom.org.il>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20021127094218.0291f008@mail.wimba.com>


> > Because faking the 'From' header is easy.

You could write a program that reads standard input, removes the From 
address and the Received lines, then forwards the mail to the list 
addresses using the list From address. Hook the program up to a secret 
e-mail address. It should be just as secure as an approval password.

By the way, this interests me, too. I'm not worried about spam; I'm worried 
about jerks sending e-mail to the announce list just because they can (to 
show how smart they are, etc.). There are a lot of people like that, you know.

========== Dan Richter ============== mailto:Dan at wimba.com ===========
     People say I am ruthless. I am not ruthless. And if I find
     the man who is calling me ruthless, I shall destroy him.
          - Robert Kenedy, campaigning for Senate in 1964



From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Wed Nov 27 11:41:08 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:41:08 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman htdig integration patches
In-Reply-To: <200211252254430762.07DE556C@coolarrow.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021127103205.00a806b8@pop.ftel.co.uk>

If anyone wants them, I have just posted MM 2.1b5 compatibility updates to 
the Mailman htdig integration patches

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103



From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Wed Nov 27 11:54:41 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:54:41 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searching arhives
In-Reply-To: <006f01c295b4$a0989000$1f32fc9e@burroughshome>
References: <200211252254430762.07DE556C@coolarrow.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021127104209.037ce128@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 01:30 27/11/2002, Jon Carnes wrote:
>Adding HtDig to the installation is very, very easy.  Apply the patches from
>Sourceforge and then follow the step by step directions and it will be done
>in about 2 hours.
>
>BTW: HtDig is a search engine, so it will index any of your local web
>pages - not just the archives!

Htdig can be configured to provide search of material other than the MM 
list archives. However, the patches posted on sourceforge deliberately:

1. generate per list htdig config files so that each list has its own, 
separate search indexes. That is separate from other lists archives and any 
Htdig indexes for other material

2. a cron script which runs re-indexing for each list independently

3. makes Htdig searches of list archive indexes deliver search results 
returning URLs which invoke a cgi script (installed by the patch) to 
preserve list privacy.

If you want to index other stuff on the same server with Htdig then you 
have to add your own htdig config file to cover that material and provide 
your own serach form to get thoses indexes searched.

>Good Luck - Jon Carnes
>===
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chris" <mmusers at coolarrow.com>
>To: "Mailman User List" <mailman-users at python.org>
>Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 11:54 PM
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searching arhives
>
>
>
>Don't want to sound like I'm beating a dead horse, but does anyone have any
>idea if/when there are plans to add archive searching capabilities to a new
>version anytime in the near future?
>
>I am with a hosting company that implements Mailman via CPanel control
>panel, so I'm not sure how much "customizing" I can do (ie: adding external
>searching capabilities, etc).
>
>Chris



From gutfante at stranda.org  Wed Nov 27 12:41:26 2002
From: gutfante at stranda.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8rjan_Olsen?=)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:41:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with the archive
Message-ID: <001301c29609$eb7f5d60$30241a51@Gutefante>

Hi

I have installed Mailman2.0.13 and everything seem to be working great except the archive. All mail sent to the list get sent to the members, and logged to the raw archive right away, but not the "real archive".
I have been trying to run the command that is in the crontab manualy, but it dont create the archive or give any error message output or in the logs.

I got a little compile error too, posted it here:
http://home.no/knut3/mailman-error.txt

Some system info:
Linux 2.4 (Slackware)
qmail with a own virtual host for the list(using contrib/qmail-to-mailman.py)
mail-gid=mailman's group id
prefix= /home/system/mailman
compiled in /home/system/mailman/mailman-2.0.13 as user mailman with the "mailhost" and "wwwhost" options set.

Any suggestion of what i can try to fix this problem? And does that compile error mean anything or is it normal?


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From danovaro at publinet.it  Wed Nov 27 12:51:24 2002
From: danovaro at publinet.it (stefano danovaro)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:51:24 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 2
In-Reply-To: <001301c29609$eb7f5d60$30241a51@Gutefante>
References: <001301c29609$eb7f5d60$30241a51@Gutefante>
Message-ID: <1038397884.3de4b1bcecd27@webmail.publinet.it>

 Hi
 I have installed Mailman2.1b1 and when I send email at the list I receved this 
message:


   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
 "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post sbn-liguria"
    (reason: 2)
    (expanded from: <lista at liste.XXX.it>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 8.  (Reconfigure to take 8?) 554 
5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2

Hve idea?

Thanks,
Stefano


From dennis.black at ualberta.ca  Wed Nov 27 16:19:11 2002
From: dennis.black at ualberta.ca (Dennis Black)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:19:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cleaning out messages and archives
Message-ID: <3DE4F856@webmail.ualberta.ca>

>===== Original Message From naboat_webmaster at naboat.org =====
>I am trying to learn how to maintain the message archives in Mailman.  How 
can I remove a specific message, range of messages, or all messages?  Is there 
a web interface to do this (would be very nice) or how does one maintain the 
amount of messages saved, etc.
>
>Thanks,
>Capn.
>
"Capn," the way I clean up one year old archives at my site is with
two scripts. The first warns the list owner about the deletion, the
second deletes any archive over a year. Unfortunately, these scripts 
only look after the 'monthly-named' ones - not the yearly, quarterly, 
(2002q4) or daily ones. I haven't had/taken the time to put the name 
variations into the scripts. Watch the linewraps. Others may do it
better, YMMV.

#!/bin/sh
# /usr/local/bin/mboxwarn
# This script finds one year old archives and sends a warning message
# to the list owner. Runs on the 15th of each month. Directory names 
# are like 2001-October. Crontab: 24 0 15 * * /usr/local/bin/mboxwarn

# constants - 
BASEDIR=/usr/local/mail/archives/private
FULLMNTH=`/usr/bin/date +"%B"`
TYEAR=`/usr/bin/date +"%Y"`
LYEAR=`expr $TYEAR - 1`

cd /usr/local/mail/lists
for LYST in `ls -1`;
do
     if [ -d ${BASEDIR}/${LYST}/${LYEAR}-${FULLMNTH} ]; then

TOBEMAILED="
The following YEAR-OLD archive will be deleted on the
first of next month. Please either retrieve it and save
it to a personal web space to make it available to your
audience, or simply do nothing and let it expire.
\n\t Mailing List:\t\t ${LYST}
\n\t Archive for:\t\t ${LYEAR}-${FULLMNTH}
\n
"

         echo "${TOBEMAILED}" | /usr/bin/mailx -s "${LYST} archive" 
${LYST}-owne
r at mailman.srv.ualberta.ca
     fi
  #  sleep 3
done
exit



### delete script



#!/bin/sh
# /usr/local/bin/mboxdel
# This script trims the 13th month off the *.mbox files for each list
# then deletes the list archive directory, and re-creates it all with
# bin/arch. Runs on the first of the month.
# Directory names are /usr/local/mail/archives/private/listname.mbox.
# Crontab: 24 0 1 * * /usr/local/bin/mboxdel

#constants
BASEDIR=/usr/local/mail/archives/private
MNTH=`/usr/bin/date +"%m"`
FULLMNTH=`/usr/bin/date +"%B"`
DAYE=`/usr/bin/date +"%d"`
TYEAR=`/usr/bin/date +"%Y"`
LYEAR=`expr $TYEAR - 1`
LMNTH=`expr $MNTH - 1`

##start in /usr/local/mail/archives/private
cd ${BASEDIR}
                                  # list of /u/l/m/archives/private/*.mbox
for DUR in `ls -d -1 *.mbox`
do
    cd ${DUR}                     # cd to ./private/*.mbox/*.mbox
    ELES=`ls *.mbox`              # should give one *.mbox file in DUR
    if [ -r ${ELES} ]; then
        echo " " > ${BASEDIR}/${DUR}/${ELES}.tmp
        LYST=`basename ${ELES} .mbox`
        /opt/freeware/bin/grepmail -h -M -d "after ${MNTH}/${DAYE}/${LYEAR}" 
${E
LES} >> ${BASEDIR}/${DUR}/${ELES}.tmp
        rm ${BASEDIR}/${DUR}/${ELES}
        mv ${BASEDIR}/${DUR}/${ELES}.tmp ${BASEDIR}/${DUR}/${ELES}
        mv ${BASEDIR}/${LYST} ${BASEDIR}/${LYST}.sav
        /home/mailman/bin/arch ${LYST}
        rm -r ${BASEDIR}/${LYST}.sav
TOBEMAILED="
The following YEAR-OLD archive has been deleted.
\n\t Mailing List:\t\t ${LYST}
\n\t Archive for:\t\t ${LYEAR} ${LMNTH}
\n
"
        echo "${TOBEMAILED}" | /usr/bin/mailx -s "${LYST} archive" 
${LYST}-owner
@mailman.srv.ualberta.ca
    fi
    cd ${BASEDIR}
    sleep 3
done
exit

Dennis.Black at UAlberta.Ca
Internet Applications, Computing and Network Services
352 General Services Building, U of A, Edmonton T6G 2H1
Ph: (780-)492-9329  Fx: (780-)492-1729
news.srv, majordomo.srv, mailman.srv



From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Wed Nov 27 17:53:29 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:53:29 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 2
In-Reply-To: <1038397884.3de4b1bcecd27@webmail.publinet.it>
References: <001301c29609$eb7f5d60$30241a51@Gutefante>
 <001301c29609$eb7f5d60$30241a51@Gutefante>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021127165110.03957670@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 11:51 27/11/2002, stefano danovaro wrote:
>  Hi
>  I have installed Mailman2.1b1 and when I send email at the list I 
> receved this
>message:
>
>
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
>  "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post sbn-liguria"
>     (reason: 2)
>     (expanded from: <lista at liste.XXX.it>)
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 8.  (Reconfigure to take 8?) 
>554
>5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2
>
>Hve idea?

rtff, see: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=got+gid&querytype=simple&casefold=yes&req=search

>Thanks,
>Stefano



From davidgordon at ntlworld.com  Wed Nov 27 20:00:34 2002
From: davidgordon at ntlworld.com (David Gordon)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:00:34 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Subject
Message-ID: <20021127190034.6189@smtp.ntlworld.com>

I've got no idea what this means... Anyone want to give me a clue?

***
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 276, in ?
    lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
    self.__write()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
    fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/locks/
qrunner.lock.epuk.thenexus.co.uk.4399'
***

I've got lots the same! Oh!, and the list I'm trying to set up doesn't
work too well. I thought I was doing well setting up a test, the real
thing's harder!

-- 
DavidGordon




From danny at terweij.nl  Wed Nov 27 20:08:48 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 20:08:48 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Subject
References: <20021127190034.6189@smtp.ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <112601c29648$6a45db90$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>

From: "David Gordon" <davidgordon at ntlworld.com>

> I've got no idea what this means... Anyone want to give me a clue?

> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/locks/
> qrunner.lock.epuk.thenexus.co.uk.4399'

> ***

Check your permissions. Try to run ~/bin/check_perms -f  (as root) ( Mailman
version 2.1bx)

Danny.





From davidgordon at ntlworld.com  Wed Nov 27 20:57:23 2002
From: davidgordon at ntlworld.com (David Gordon)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:57:23 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permissions error
In-Reply-To: <115201c2964b$a78bdd30$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
References: <115201c2964b$a78bdd30$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
Message-ID: <20021127195723.24070@smtp.ntlworld.com>

Danny Terweij danny at terweij.nl wrote on Wed 27 Nov 2002 at 20:31 +0100

>Try to run check_perms -f serveral times

Done that

>[mailman at epuk bin]$ /home/mailman/bin/check_perms -f
>directory permissions must be at least 02775: /home/mailman/cgi-bin (fixing)
>/home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin must be set-gid (fixing)
>/home/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb must be set-gid (fixing)
>/home/mailman/cgi-bin/edithtml must be set-gid (fixing)
>/home/mailman/cgi-bin/options must be set-gid (fixing)
>/home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo must be set-gid (fixing)
>/home/mailman/cgi-bin/subscribe must be set-gid (fixing)
>/home/mailman/cgi-bin/roster must be set-gid (fixing)
>/home/mailman/cgi-bin/handle_opts must be set-gid (fixing)
>/home/mailman/cgi-bin/private must be set-gid (fixing)
>Problems found: 10
>Re-run as mailman (or root) with -f flag to fix
>You have mail in /var/spool/mail/admin
>[mailman at epuk bin]$ /home/mailman/bin/check_perms -f
>No problems found
>[mailman at epuk bin]$ 

but still getting this

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 198, in main
    lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
    self.__write()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
    fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/locks/
gate_news.lock.epuk.thenexus.co.uk.6655'

--
DG




From listmom at travellercentral.com  Wed Nov 27 21:49:54 2002
From: listmom at travellercentral.com (Listmom)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:49:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailmain 2.1b5 archive link is wrong
Message-ID: <BA0A6F2B.3C3B%listmom@travellercentral.com>

There seems to be a problem with the link to list archives in Mailman 2.1b5

When I go to http://lists.travellercentral.com/mailman/listinfo/<listname>

The lint to the archives on that page is
http://lists.travellercentral.com/pipermail

and not 

http://lists.travellercentral.com/pipermail/<listname>

Any idea?

I'm running 2.1b5 with the HTDIG patches.

Tod
-- 
listmom at travellercentral.com
for list information see
http://lists.travellercentral.com



From fish at livingsky.net  Thu Nov 28 01:26:13 2002
From: fish at livingsky.net (fish)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:26:13 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner problems
Message-ID: <FFEHJKDOKCCPDELMCLCAEEPKDGAA.fish@livingsky.net>

I am still have the authentication problems with qrunner and, since nobody
seems to know what the problem is or how to fix it, thought that I would ask
what exactly does qrunner do? I can tell that the cron.d/mailman script is
calling /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner, but what does this script do?

Since I only have a rudimentary programming knowledge, I would greatly
appreciate your help on this.

Robert Lydiate
icon at accesscomm.ca



From daniel.figucio at csiro.au  Thu Nov 28 06:41:09 2002
From: daniel.figucio at csiro.au (Daniel Figucio)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 16:41:09 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: ImportError: No module named Charset
Message-ID: <FF18D87E-0293-11D7-9997-00039318D2B0@csiro.au>

>     * From: Carlos Barcenilla
>     * Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named Charset
> * Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 04:37:26 -0800
>
> Hi!
>
> When I call checkdbs (either manually or from cron) i get the 
> following error:
>
> [root at cox cron]# ./checkdbs
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "./checkdbs", line 26, in ?
>     from email.Charset import Charset
> ImportError: No module named Charset
> I solved this way, but I think it's a bug.
>
> [root at cox cron]# export PYTHONPATH=/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib
> [root at cox cron]# ./checkdbs
> Versions:
> -OS: Red Hat 8.0
> -Python: 2.2.1
> -mailman: 2.1b4
>
> Regards.
> Carlos

This is fixed in 2.1b5.

If you don't want to download 2.1b5, open bin/checkdbs, and move the 
line:

from email.Charset import Charset

to just after the line:

import paths

This ensures that we are using the mailman email package...

Sorry if this has been answered before, its just that I didn't find 
this solution in the archives, but it was in the archives for mailman 
developer.

I checked the 2.1b5 version of checkdbs and it had been fixed there, 
too...

daniel.
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From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Nov 28 13:08:58 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 12:08:58 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner problems
In-Reply-To: <FFEHJKDOKCCPDELMCLCAEEPKDGAA.fish@livingsky.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021128115853.039cd730@localhost>

At 00:26 28/11/2002, fish wrote:
>I am still have the authentication problems with qrunner and, since nobody
>seems to know what the problem is or how to fix it, thought that I would ask
>what exactly does qrunner do? I can tell that the cron.d/mailman script is
>calling /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner, but what does this script do?

MM processes incoming mail in several stages.

The Python scripts in $prefix//scripts are called by your Mail Transfer 
program to accept incoming posts. The scripts take the incoming mail and 
enqueue it (on MM 2.0.13 in the qfiles directory). The qrunner from 
$prefix/cron, as is implied by its name, is executed frequently and takes 
mail from the input queue, processes it, and sends out the resulting mail 
to the list members etc.

If the qrunner is not working right then Mailman will not do its job.

Sorry I cannot help with your base problem but I use neither debian nor 
exim and you need help not guesses.

>Since I only have a rudimentary programming knowledge, I would greatly
>appreciate your help on this.
>
>Robert Lydiate
>icon at accesscomm.ca



From fish at livingsky.net  Thu Nov 28 14:16:17 2002
From: fish at livingsky.net (fish)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 07:16:17 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner problems
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20021128115853.039cd730@localhost>
Message-ID: <FFEHJKDOKCCPDELMCLCAEEACDHAA.fish@livingsky.net>

Thanks Richard,

I understood, from the name, that qrunner processed queue's, and that if it
was having a problem that mailman probably wouldn't work right. My question
now is, though, if my logs are saying that qrunner is having authentication
problems, then should my list mail be working. Right now, I am hosting 5
lists, all of which are working and mail is getting to them. This means, to
me, that qrunner is running properly. I am assuming that it is the
/etc/cron.d/mailman script that is calling qrunner every minute or so, which
is where the authentication problem is.

So, if that script is running, amd mail is getting delivered, what is the
authentication problem, and how do I stop it so that I can have my rapidly
shrinking hard drive space back that is being eaten up by these large log
files.

Robert Lydiate
icon at accesscomm.ca

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-bounces+fish=livingsky.net at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+fish=livingsky.net at python.org]On Behalf Of
> Richard Barrett
> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 6:09 AM
> To: fish; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] qrunner problems
>
>
> At 00:26 28/11/2002, fish wrote:
> >I am still have the authentication problems with qrunner and,
> since nobody
> >seems to know what the problem is or how to fix it, thought that
> I would ask
> >what exactly does qrunner do? I can tell that the cron.d/mailman
> script is
> >calling /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner, but what does this script do?
>
> MM processes incoming mail in several stages.
>
> The Python scripts in $prefix//scripts are called by your Mail Transfer
> program to accept incoming posts. The scripts take the incoming mail and
> enqueue it (on MM 2.0.13 in the qfiles directory). The qrunner from
> $prefix/cron, as is implied by its name, is executed frequently and takes
> mail from the input queue, processes it, and sends out the resulting mail
> to the list members etc.
>
> If the qrunner is not working right then Mailman will not do its job.
>
> Sorry I cannot help with your base problem but I use neither debian nor
> exim and you need help not guesses.
>
> >Since I only have a rudimentary programming knowledge, I would greatly
> >appreciate your help on this.
> >
> >Robert Lydiate
> >icon at accesscomm.ca
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
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From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Nov 28 15:57:19 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 14:57:19 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner problems
In-Reply-To: <FFEHJKDOKCCPDELMCLCAEEACDHAA.fish@livingsky.net>
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20021128115853.039cd730@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021128132603.036e5060@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 13:16 28/11/2002, fish wrote:
>Thanks Richard,
>
>I understood, from the name, that qrunner processed queue's, and that if it
>was having a problem that mailman probably wouldn't work right. My question
>now is, though, if my logs are saying that qrunner is having authentication
>problems, then should my list mail be working. Right now, I am hosting 5
>lists, all of which are working and mail is getting to them. This means, to
>me, that qrunner is running properly. I am assuming that it is the
>/etc/cron.d/mailman script that is calling qrunner every minute or so, which
>is where the authentication problem is.

If I understand you correctly, you say cron is executing the qrunner, which 
is sending out mail to your lists subscriber, but you are getting 'error' 
messages logged each time.

You might get more help if you  repost to mailman-users list giving an 
example of exactly what is being logged into which log file.

>So, if that script is running, amd mail is getting delivered, what is the
>authentication problem, and how do I stop it so that I can have my rapidly
>shrinking hard drive space back that is being eaten up by these large log
>files.
>
>Robert Lydiate
>icon at accesscomm.ca
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mailman-users-bounces+fish=livingsky.net at python.org
> > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+fish=livingsky.net at python.org]On Behalf Of
> > Richard Barrett
> > Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 6:09 AM
> > To: fish; mailman-users at python.org
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] qrunner problems
> >
> >
> > At 00:26 28/11/2002, fish wrote:
> > >I am still have the authentication problems with qrunner and,
> > since nobody
> > >seems to know what the problem is or how to fix it, thought that
> > I would ask
> > >what exactly does qrunner do? I can tell that the cron.d/mailman
> > script is
> > >calling /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner, but what does this script do?
> >
> > MM processes incoming mail in several stages.
> >
> > The Python scripts in $prefix//scripts are called by your Mail Transfer
> > program to accept incoming posts. The scripts take the incoming mail and
> > enqueue it (on MM 2.0.13 in the qfiles directory). The qrunner from
> > $prefix/cron, as is implied by its name, is executed frequently and takes
> > mail from the input queue, processes it, and sends out the resulting mail
> > to the list members etc.
> >
> > If the qrunner is not working right then Mailman will not do its job.
> >
> > Sorry I cannot help with your base problem but I use neither debian nor
> > exim and you need help not guesses.
> >
> > >Since I only have a rudimentary programming knowledge, I would greatly
> > >appreciate your help on this.
> > >
> > >Robert Lydiate
> > >icon at accesscomm.ca
> >



From davidgordon at ntlworld.com  Thu Nov 28 16:50:49 2002
From: davidgordon at ntlworld.com (David Gordon)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 15:50:49 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Premature end of script headers
Message-ID: <20021128155049.9371@smtp.ntlworld.com>

I've reinstalled Mailman 2.0.13 because I couldn't get it going
yesterday. I beleive I'm installing it on a machine with "Apache/1.3.23
(Unix)  (Red-Hat/Linux) mod_ssl/2.8.7 OpenSSL/0.9.6 PHP/4.1.2 FrontPage/
4.0.4.3 configured".

Followed all instructions, created new list, got initial message, went to
configure list on web page but received an internal error message. The
httpd error file says...

[Thu Nov 28 15:37:24 2002] [error] [client 80.2.78.6] Premature end of
script headers: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin

... do I start all over again?

I don't know what's up here. I know I can do this, I've got a list
running fime on another server.

Thanks

-- 
DG



From cuall at gmx.de  Thu Nov 28 17:29:03 2002
From: cuall at gmx.de (Denny Schierz)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 17:29:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe, reply, nothing more
Message-ID: <20021128172904.1a1a0173.cuall@gmx.de>

hi,

i installed the lastest Mailman on Gentoo Linux without problems. But i can subscribe on the webpage, then i reply the mail from mailman and that was it.:

We have received a request from 192.168.100.150 for subscription of
your email address, <cuall at gmx.de>, to the labe at cst-it.local
mailing list.  To confirm the request, please send a message to
labe-request at cst-it.local, and either: ...

I found no errors, in syslog, mailman logs & Co. . I have Postfix-Cyrus-Mysql System running. My other Mailman installations on Debian Potato/Woody are working without any problems. 
How can i find, what the problem is?. My perms are ok, for Mailman. 


cu denny


From cuall at gmx.de  Thu Nov 28 18:22:23 2002
From: cuall at gmx.de (Denny Schierz)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 18:22:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe, reply, nothing more
In-Reply-To: <20021128172904.1a1a0173.cuall@gmx.de>
References: <20021128172904.1a1a0173.cuall@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <20021128182223.57ee27e4.cuall@gmx.de>

hi,

i found the problem by myself, it seams, that i had a headcrash in the morning ;-) . I send the reply Mails to the wrong rcpt :-/, because i using normal evolution (but evo doesn't work in Xinerama) as client, so if i reply a mail, the sender is the rcpt, but sylpheed put the list into the rcpt :-(  

On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 17:29:03 +0100
Denny Schierz <cuall at gmx.de> wrote:

> How can i find, what the problem is?. My perms are ok, for Mailman. 



From davidgordon at ntlworld.com  Thu Nov 28 19:21:28 2002
From: davidgordon at ntlworld.com (David Gordon)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 18:21:28 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] more permission problems
Message-ID: <20021128182128.20679@smtp.ntlworld.com>

[Sometimes I don't get a copy of my mail to this list so sorry if I
appear to be repeating...]

I've reinstalled Mailman 2.0.13 because I couldn't get it going
yesterday. I beleive I'm installing it on a machine with "Apache/1.3.23
(Unix)  (Red-Hat/Linux) mod_ssl/2.8.7 OpenSSL/0.9.6 PHP/4.1.2 FrontPage/
4.0.4.3 configured".

I have done the check_perms business. Mail doesn't get sent. One message
got through. I then auto subscribed some members. Then it all went wrong.
This is _exactly_ what happenned yesterday. Further point of information,
since doing the check_perms I can't get to the web pages. Here's what I
know, but don't understand

>Traceback (innermost last):
>  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
>    main()
>  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 198, in main
>    lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
>  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
>    self.__write()
>  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
>    fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
>IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/locks/
>gate_news.lock.epuk.thenexus.co.uk.18703'

I have done the check_perms business ;-)

I did have to manually chmod the $prefix/cgi-bin to get my web pages for
this list working. (Stopped working since check_perms)

I have sucessfully set up another list without problems, what's my
problem really. This is the same/similar as I was having yesterday. I
have reinstalled. Have I got a duff copy of Mailman. Should I download
another copy from another location and have another attempt?

-- 
DG





From davidgordon at ntlworld.com  Thu Nov 28 19:24:25 2002
From: davidgordon at ntlworld.com (David Gordon)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 18:24:25 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] the public name of this list
Message-ID: <20021128182425.15313@smtp.ntlworld.com>


In the web admin page, "The public name of this list" is not "list" but
my email address. Which is strange. Going to "Details", however, shows
the correct title "list".

Some thing wrong somewhere. My Mac OS X browser? [Chimera], my server or
Mailman?

-- 
DG




From fish at livingsky.net  Thu Nov 28 20:06:17 2002
From: fish at livingsky.net (fish)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:06:17 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner problems
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20021128132603.036e5060@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FFEHJKDOKCCPDELMCLCAMEAGDHAA.fish@livingsky.net>

Richard wrote:
> If I understand you correctly, you say cron is executing the
> qrunner, which
> is sending out mail to your lists subscriber, but you are getting 'error'
> messages logged each time.
>
> You might get more help if you  repost to mailman-users list giving an
> example of exactly what is being logged into which log file.
>
> >

Ok.

fish:/var/log# tail syslog
Nov 28 13:04:01 livingsky CRON[3946]: Authentication service cannot retrieve
authentication info.
Nov 28 13:04:01 livingsky /USR/SBIN/CRON[3950]: (list) CMD
(/usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner)
Nov 28 13:05:01 livingsky /USR/SBIN/CRON[3964]: (list) CMD (   [ -x
/usr/bin/python -a -f /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner ] && /usr/bin/python
/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner)
Nov 28 13:05:01 livingsky CRON[3961]: Authentication service cannot retrieve
authentication info.
Nov 28 13:05:01 livingsky CRON[3962]: Authentication service cannot retrieve
authentication info.
Nov 28 13:05:01 livingsky /USR/SBIN/CRON[3968]: (list) CMD
(/usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news)
Nov 28 13:05:01 livingsky /USR/SBIN/CRON[3966]: (list) CMD
(/usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner)
Nov 28 13:06:01 livingsky /USR/SBIN/CRON[3973]: (list) CMD (   [ -x
/usr/bin/python -a -f /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner ] && /usr/bin/python
/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner)
Nov 28 13:06:01 livingsky CRON[3971]: Authentication service cannot retrieve
authentication info.
Nov 28 13:06:01 livingsky /USR/SBIN/CRON[3975]: (list) CMD
(/usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner)

fish:/var/log#less auth.log (edited)
Nov 28 13:04:01 livingsky PAM_unix[3945]: (cron) session opened for user
list by (uid=0)
Nov 28 13:04:01 livingsky PAM_unix[3947]: (cron) session opened for user
list by (uid=0)
Nov 28 13:04:04 livingsky PAM_unix[3945]: (cron) session closed for user
list
Nov 28 13:04:04 livingsky PAM_unix[3947]: (cron) session closed for user
list
Nov 28 13:05:01 livingsky PAM_unix[3960]: (cron) session opened for user
list by (uid=0)
Nov 28 13:05:01 livingsky PAM_unix[3963]: (cron) session opened for user
list by (uid=0)
Nov 28 13:05:01 livingsky PAM_unix[3967]: (cron) session opened for user
list by (uid=0)
Nov 28 13:05:05 livingsky PAM_unix[3960]: (cron) session closed for user
list
Nov 28 13:05:05 livingsky PAM_unix[3963]: (cron) session closed for user
list
Nov 28 13:05:05 livingsky PAM_unix[3967]: (cron) session closed for user
list
Nov 28 13:06:01 livingsky PAM_unix[3970]: (cron) session opened for user
list by (uid=0)
Nov 28 13:06:01 livingsky PAM_unix[3972]: (cron) session opened for user
list by (uid=0)
Nov 28 13:06:03 livingsky PAM_unix[3970]: (cron) session closed for user
list

Since the mailman cron is the one being started just before the
authentication message (as happens in all cases of the authentication
error), I am presuming that they are related.

I did double check to make sure that mail to my mailing lists was being
delivered, and have received replies to several messages sent out through
the lists, and the logs show that mail is being delivered to the various
addresses on the lists.

Another question that I have is how do I change /etc/cron.d/mailman to run
every 15 minutes (or more, it isn't a busy server) instead of every minute?


Robert Lydiate
icon at accesscomm.ca




From sb.list at sb.org  Thu Nov 28 21:29:57 2002
From: sb.list at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 15:29:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] the public name of this list
In-Reply-To: <20021128182425.15313@smtp.ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <BA0BE6F5.505AB%sb.list@sb.org>

Chimera frequently auto-fills items inappropriately. For a while I was
wondering why all my new lists came up named "admin".

 - Stoney

On 11/28/02 1:24 PM, "David Gordon" <davidgordon at ntlworld.com> wrote:

> 
> In the web admin page, "The public name of this list" is not "list" but
> my email address. Which is strange. Going to "Details", however, shows
> the correct title "list".
> 
> Some thing wrong somewhere. My Mac OS X browser? [Chimera], my server or
> Mailman?



From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Nov 28 23:25:48 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 22:25:48 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner problems
In-Reply-To: <FFEHJKDOKCCPDELMCLCAMEAGDHAA.fish@livingsky.net>
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20021128132603.036e5060@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021128222422.059d06e0@localhost>

A search threw up the following link which seems to be relevant

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-November/015556.html

Best of luck

At 19:06 28/11/2002, fish wrote:
>Richard wrote:
> > If I understand you correctly, you say cron is executing the
> > qrunner, which
> > is sending out mail to your lists subscriber, but you are getting 'error'
> > messages logged each time.
> >
> > You might get more help if you  repost to mailman-users list giving an
> > example of exactly what is being logged into which log file.
> >
> > >
>
>Ok.
>
>fish:/var/log# tail syslog
>Nov 28 13:04:01 livingsky CRON[3946]: Authentication service cannot retrieve
>authentication info.
>Nov 28 13:04:01 livingsky /USR/SBIN/CRON[3950]: (list) CMD
>(/usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner)
>Nov 28 13:05:01 livingsky /USR/SBIN/CRON[3964]: (list) CMD (   [ -x
>/usr/bin/python -a -f /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner ] && /usr/bin/python
>/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner)
>Nov 28 13:05:01 livingsky CRON[3961]: Authentication service cannot retrieve
>authentication info.
>Nov 28 13:05:01 livingsky CRON[3962]: Authentication service cannot retrieve
>authentication info.
>Nov 28 13:05:01 livingsky /USR/SBIN/CRON[3968]: (list) CMD
>(/usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news)
>Nov 28 13:05:01 livingsky /USR/SBIN/CRON[3966]: (list) CMD
>(/usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner)
>Nov 28 13:06:01 livingsky /USR/SBIN/CRON[3973]: (list) CMD (   [ -x
>/usr/bin/python -a -f /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner ] && /usr/bin/python
>/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner)
>Nov 28 13:06:01 livingsky CRON[3971]: Authentication service cannot retrieve
>authentication info.
>Nov 28 13:06:01 livingsky /USR/SBIN/CRON[3975]: (list) CMD
>(/usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner)
>
>fish:/var/log#less auth.log (edited)
>Nov 28 13:04:01 livingsky PAM_unix[3945]: (cron) session opened for user
>list by (uid=0)
>Nov 28 13:04:01 livingsky PAM_unix[3947]: (cron) session opened for user
>list by (uid=0)
>Nov 28 13:04:04 livingsky PAM_unix[3945]: (cron) session closed for user
>list
>Nov 28 13:04:04 livingsky PAM_unix[3947]: (cron) session closed for user
>list
>Nov 28 13:05:01 livingsky PAM_unix[3960]: (cron) session opened for user
>list by (uid=0)
>Nov 28 13:05:01 livingsky PAM_unix[3963]: (cron) session opened for user
>list by (uid=0)
>Nov 28 13:05:01 livingsky PAM_unix[3967]: (cron) session opened for user
>list by (uid=0)
>Nov 28 13:05:05 livingsky PAM_unix[3960]: (cron) session closed for user
>list
>Nov 28 13:05:05 livingsky PAM_unix[3963]: (cron) session closed for user
>list
>Nov 28 13:05:05 livingsky PAM_unix[3967]: (cron) session closed for user
>list
>Nov 28 13:06:01 livingsky PAM_unix[3970]: (cron) session opened for user
>list by (uid=0)
>Nov 28 13:06:01 livingsky PAM_unix[3972]: (cron) session opened for user
>list by (uid=0)
>Nov 28 13:06:03 livingsky PAM_unix[3970]: (cron) session closed for user
>list
>
>Since the mailman cron is the one being started just before the
>authentication message (as happens in all cases of the authentication
>error), I am presuming that they are related.
>
>I did double check to make sure that mail to my mailing lists was being
>delivered, and have received replies to several messages sent out through
>the lists, and the logs show that mail is being delivered to the various
>addresses on the lists.
>
>Another question that I have is how do I change /etc/cron.d/mailman to run
>every 15 minutes (or more, it isn't a busy server) instead of every minute?
>
>
>Robert Lydiate
>icon at accesscomm.ca



From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Nov 28 23:31:43 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 22:31:43 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner problems
In-Reply-To: <FFEHJKDOKCCPDELMCLCAMEAGDHAA.fish@livingsky.net>
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20021128132603.036e5060@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021128223017.00a82dd0@localhost>

At 19:06 28/11/2002, fish wrote:
>Richard wrote:
> > If I understand you correctly, you say cron is executing the
> > qrunner, which
> > is sending out mail to your lists subscriber, but you are getting 'error'
> > messages logged each time.
> >
> > You might get more help if you  repost to mailman-users list giving an
> > example of exactly what is being logged into which log file.
> >
> > >
>
>Ok.
>
>fish:/var/log# tail syslog
>Nov 28 13:04:01 livingsky CRON[3946]: Authentication service cannot retrieve
>authentication info.
>Nov 28 13:04:01 livingsky /USR/SBIN/CRON[3950]: (list) CMD
>(/usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner)
>Nov 28 13:05:01 livingsky /USR/SBIN/CRON[3964]: (list) CMD (   [ -x
>/usr/bin/python -a -f /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner ] && /usr/bin/python
>/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner)
>Nov 28 13:05:01 livingsky CRON[3961]: Authentication service cannot retrieve
>authentication info.
>Nov 28 13:05:01 livingsky CRON[3962]: Authentication service cannot retrieve
>authentication info.
>Nov 28 13:05:01 livingsky /USR/SBIN/CRON[3968]: (list) CMD
>(/usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news)
>Nov 28 13:05:01 livingsky /USR/SBIN/CRON[3966]: (list) CMD
>(/usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner)
>Nov 28 13:06:01 livingsky /USR/SBIN/CRON[3973]: (list) CMD (   [ -x
>/usr/bin/python -a -f /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner ] && /usr/bin/python
>/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner)
>Nov 28 13:06:01 livingsky CRON[3971]: Authentication service cannot retrieve
>authentication info.
>Nov 28 13:06:01 livingsky /USR/SBIN/CRON[3975]: (list) CMD
>(/usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner)
>
>fish:/var/log#less auth.log (edited)
>Nov 28 13:04:01 livingsky PAM_unix[3945]: (cron) session opened for user
>list by (uid=0)
>Nov 28 13:04:01 livingsky PAM_unix[3947]: (cron) session opened for user
>list by (uid=0)
>Nov 28 13:04:04 livingsky PAM_unix[3945]: (cron) session closed for user
>list
>Nov 28 13:04:04 livingsky PAM_unix[3947]: (cron) session closed for user
>list
>Nov 28 13:05:01 livingsky PAM_unix[3960]: (cron) session opened for user
>list by (uid=0)
>Nov 28 13:05:01 livingsky PAM_unix[3963]: (cron) session opened for user
>list by (uid=0)
>Nov 28 13:05:01 livingsky PAM_unix[3967]: (cron) session opened for user
>list by (uid=0)
>Nov 28 13:05:05 livingsky PAM_unix[3960]: (cron) session closed for user
>list
>Nov 28 13:05:05 livingsky PAM_unix[3963]: (cron) session closed for user
>list
>Nov 28 13:05:05 livingsky PAM_unix[3967]: (cron) session closed for user
>list
>Nov 28 13:06:01 livingsky PAM_unix[3970]: (cron) session opened for user
>list by (uid=0)
>Nov 28 13:06:01 livingsky PAM_unix[3972]: (cron) session opened for user
>list by (uid=0)
>Nov 28 13:06:03 livingsky PAM_unix[3970]: (cron) session closed for user
>list
>
>Since the mailman cron is the one being started just before the
>authentication message (as happens in all cases of the authentication
>error), I am presuming that they are related.
>
>I did double check to make sure that mail to my mailing lists was being
>delivered, and have received replies to several messages sent out through
>the lists, and the logs show that mail is being delivered to the various
>addresses on the lists.
>
>Another question that I have is how do I change /etc/cron.d/mailman to run
>every 15 minutes (or more, it isn't a busy server) instead of every minute?

I wouldn't do that if I were you. All it will do is increase the latency 
before incoming mail goes out. Fix the basic problem; see my earlier post.


>Robert Lydiate
>icon at accesscomm.ca



From gualter at gaia.org.pt  Fri Nov 29 01:27:58 2002
From: gualter at gaia.org.pt (Gualter Barbas Baptista)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 00:27:58 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists not advertised when they should...
Message-ID: <3DE6B48E.4080302@gaia.org.pt>

Hi,

I've upgraded from Mailman 2.0 to 2.1b5. Now, the lists that I already 
had from 2.0 are publicly advertised on the listinfo page. However, the 
new ones aren't. Both of them have the advertised option set to yes.
Is this some kind of known bug or is it some problem of my configuration?

Thanks,

-- 
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From fish at livingsky.net  Fri Nov 29 05:44:06 2002
From: fish at livingsky.net (fish)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 22:44:06 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner problems - new edition
Message-ID: <FFEHJKDOKCCPDELMCLCAIEDDDHAA.fish@livingsky.net>

Well, I fixed (with Richard's help) the problem with the qrunner
authentication, but now that it is authenticating, I am receiving multitudes
of messages from my CronDaemon which I have included one such below. In
reading the archives, the only suggestions that I have found is to try
running check_perms from the mailman/bin directory as root, but this reports
no problems found. Are there any other suggestions about how to fix this
problem that I might have missed? Again, I am using Mailman, Exim, Debian,
Apache

Robert Lydiate
icon at accesscomm.ca

> -----Original Message-----
> From: CronDaemon [mailto:mailman at livingsky.net]On Behalf Of Cron Daemon
> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 10:45 PM
> To: mailman at livingsky.net
> Subject: Cron <mailman at fish> /usr/bin/python -S
> /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news
>
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 198, in main
>     lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
>     self.__write()
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
>     fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> '/usr/lib/mailman/locks/gate_news.lock.fish.13366'



From felix at pz4.org  Fri Nov 29 05:53:00 2002
From: felix at pz4.org (Felix F.)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:53:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] headers
Message-ID: <001501c29763$33129ed0$6c01a8c0@felixnjnj4whk5>

Hello,
 
Can anyone tell me how to remove the headers Mailman places into a sent
out e-mail? I'm specifically talking about headers such as:
 
List-Unsubscribe: <http://domain.com/mailman/listinfo/g_domain.com>,
            <mailto:G-request at domain.com?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Id: <g_domain.com.domain.com>
List-Post: <mailto:G at domain.com>
List-Help: <mailto:G-request at domain.com?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <http://domain.com/mailman/listinfo/g_domain.com>,
            <mailto:G-request at domain.com?subject=subscribe>
List-Archive: <http://domain.com/pipermail/g_domain.com/>
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From mailman at gushi.org  Fri Nov 29 07:27:01 2002
From: mailman at gushi.org (Dan Mahoney, System Admin)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 01:27:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] None
In-Reply-To: <1020399995.6046.15.camel@fuggles>
Message-ID: <20021129012428.Q60885-100000@prime.gushi.org>

Hi all, quick question.

My host name is prime.gushi.org, but I operate several vhosts under it.  I
am easily able to make a few virtusertable tweaks that allow me to have
users point to listname at theirdomain.com instead of
listname at prime.gushi.org, but there's no place to edit this in the
configs.  (i.e. all the HTML pages, welcome emails all say post to
listname at prime.gushi.org).

Is there a workaround for this?

-Dan Mahoney

 --

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-The Boss, November 12, 2002

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From davidgordon at ntlworld.com  Fri Nov 29 09:34:16 2002
From: davidgordon at ntlworld.com (David Gordon)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 08:34:16 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I uninstall
Message-ID: <20021129083416.2398@smtp.ntlworld.com>

What do I have to do to uninstall Mailman so I can start again with a
'clean' server? I have removed the $prefix directory but the must be
something else as I am getting mail to admin

>/usr/bin/python: can't open file '/home/mailman/cron/gate_news'

Using Mailman 2.0.13 with Sendmail...

Thanks
-- 
DG





From brianr at bjsystems.co.uk  Fri Nov 29 11:02:40 2002
From: brianr at bjsystems.co.uk (Brian Read)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 10:02:40 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What to backup
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20021129100115.026d2008@server01>

Please could someone confirm that if I backup /opt/mailman and all below, 
then I am backing up the complete mailman installation including the 
address lists and actual messages?

Thanks

Brian

Brian J Read
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www.thepersonalknowledgebase.com
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www.abandonmicrosoft.co.uk/abandon/links.html
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From danny at terweij.nl  Fri Nov 29 12:13:12 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 12:13:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I uninstall
References: <20021129083416.2398@smtp.ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <004e01c29798$4e905460$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>

From: "David Gordon" <davidgordon at ntlworld.com>

> >/usr/bin/python: can't open file '/home/mailman/cron/gate_news'
 
> Using Mailman 2.0.13 with Sendmail...

You must also delete the cronjob's from user mailman.
And cleanup the aliases file.

Danny.






From mmusers at coolarrow.com  Fri Nov 29 12:44:44 2002
From: mmusers at coolarrow.com (Chris)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 05:44:44 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strings in headers/footers
Message-ID: <200211290544440247.18C8C90F@coolarrow.com>


I see that you can insert the following strings into the headers/footers of outgoing messages:

real_name
_internal_name
host_name
web_page_url
description

But at the bottom of this list, there is a footer that contains the sender's email address in a hyperlink that takes the sender to their options page. What string is used for that? It's not 'email' or 'user_email'...

Chris





From davidgordon at ntlworld.com  Fri Nov 29 13:06:31 2002
From: davidgordon at ntlworld.com (David Gordon)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 12:06:31 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I uninstall
Message-ID: <20021129120631.21307@smtp.ntlworld.com>

Danny Terweij danny at terweij.nl wrote on Fri 29 Nov 2002 at 12:13 +0100

>You must also delete the cronjob's from user mailman.

Can you give me a further clue about that?

>And cleanup the aliases file.

I don't want to do that as I want to try and re-install?

--
DG



From danny at terweij.nl  Fri Nov 29 13:25:50 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 13:25:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I uninstall
References: <20021129120631.21307@smtp.ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <00a901c297a2$74669050$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>

From: "David Gordon" <davidgordon at ntlworld.com>

> Danny Terweij danny at terweij.nl wrote on Fri 29 Nov 2002 at 12:13 +0100
 
> >You must also delete the cronjob's from user mailman.
 
> Can you give me a further clue about that?

crontab -u mailman -l

Do "man crontab" for more commands.

Danny




From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net  Fri Nov 29 16:22:50 2002
From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 10:22:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I uninstall
In-Reply-To: <20021129083416.2398@smtp.ntlworld.com>;
	from davidgordon@ntlworld.com on Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 08:34:16AM +0000
References: <20021129083416.2398@smtp.ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <20021129102250.A1928@dogpound.vnet.net>

Thats being generated by the cron job.  Remove the crontab that was installed with mailman.

* David Gordon (davidgordon at ntlworld.com) wrote:
> What do I have to do to uninstall Mailman so I can start again with a
> 'clean' server? I have removed the $prefix directory but the must be
> something else as I am getting mail to admin
> 
> >/usr/bin/python: can't open file '/home/mailman/cron/gate_news'
> 
> Using Mailman 2.0.13 with Sendmail...

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From davidgordon at ntlworld.com  Fri Nov 29 16:06:24 2002
From: davidgordon at ntlworld.com (David Gordon)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 15:06:24 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I uninstall
In-Reply-To: <20021129105406.A2285@dogpound.vnet.net>
References: <20021129105406.A2285@dogpound.vnet.net>
Message-ID: <20021129150624.7987@smtp.ntlworld.com>

Matthew Davis bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net wrote on Fri 29 Nov 2002 at 10:54 -0500

>If the user that you created the mailman program for is still created, 

Mmmmm. I deleted the user "mailman" and created a new user "mailman"
before reinstalling....

># crontab -u mailman -l

Gets the result - "must be privileged to use -u"

>check /var/spool/cron if your running vixie-cron.  a file for each user
>that has a crontab entry will be in that dir.

I have an entry for mailman

-rw-------    1 root     mailman      1218 Nov 29 09:41 mailman

which appears to be the current milman user's but I can't read it even as
mailman...

What I'd really like is a complete list of files to remove so I can start
again...

__ 
DG



From sb.list at sb.org  Fri Nov 29 16:42:52 2002
From: sb.list at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 10:42:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] headers
In-Reply-To: <001501c29763$33129ed0$6c01a8c0@felixnjnj4whk5>
Message-ID: <BA0CF52C.506E7%sb.list@sb.org>

In the "General Options" section of the list, set

"Should messages from this mailing list include the RFC 2369  (i.e. List-*)
headers?"

to "No".

This may not be in pre-2.1 versions.

 - Stoney

On 11/28/02 11:53 PM, "Felix F." <felix at pz4.org> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Can anyone tell me how to remove the headers Mailman places into a sent
> out e-mail? I'm specifically talking about headers such as:
> 
> List-Unsubscribe: <http://domain.com/mailman/listinfo/g_domain.com>,
>           <mailto:G-request at domain.com?subject=unsubscribe>
> List-Id: <g_domain.com.domain.com>
> List-Post: <mailto:G at domain.com>
> List-Help: <mailto:G-request at domain.com?subject=help>
> List-Subscribe: <http://domain.com/mailman/listinfo/g_domain.com>,
>           <mailto:G-request at domain.com?subject=subscribe>
> List-Archive: <http://domain.com/pipermail/g_domain.com/>



From sb.list at sb.org  Fri Nov 29 16:46:13 2002
From: sb.list at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 10:46:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strings in headers/footers
In-Reply-To: <200211290544440247.18C8C90F@coolarrow.com>
Message-ID: <BA0CF5F5.506ED%sb.list@sb.org>

That's 

user_optionsurl

The help for the "personalize" option in Non-Digest options lists these.
They should be in the help for message header and footer too, but they're
not.

 - Stoney

On 11/29/02 6:44 AM, "Chris" <mmusers at coolarrow.com> wrote:

> 
> I see that you can insert the following strings into the headers/footers of
> outgoing messages:
> 
> real_name
> _internal_name
> host_name
> web_page_url
> description
> 
> But at the bottom of this list, there is a footer that contains the sender's
> email address in a hyperlink that takes the sender to their options page. What
> string is used for that? It's not 'email' or 'user_email'...
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: sb.list at sb.org
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/sb.list%40sb.org



From sb.list at sb.org  Fri Nov 29 16:50:34 2002
From: sb.list at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 10:50:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What to backup
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20021129100115.026d2008@server01>
Message-ID: <BA0CF6FA.506F2%sb.list@sb.org>

If /opt is mailman's home directory, and you haven't done a split install,
then yes.

Look for "/opt/mailman/lists", and the "/opt/mailman/archives" directories.
That's where the list and archived email is kept.

 - Stoney

On 11/29/02 5:02 AM, "Brian Read" <brianr at bjsystems.co.uk> wrote:

> Please could someone confirm that if I backup /opt/mailman and all below,
> then I am backing up the complete mailman installation including the
> address lists and actual messages?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Brian



From douglas at music.columbia.edu  Fri Nov 29 18:43:01 2002
From: douglas at music.columbia.edu (douglas repetto)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 12:43:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with a semi-complex filtering scheme
Message-ID: <3DE7A725.2080000@music.columbia.edu>


hi,

i'm getting ready to move a largish (~1400 subscribers) from majordomo 
to mailman. i've been running a bunch of mailman lists for a while now, 
and they're all fine. but this particular list has a funny setup, and 
i'm not sure if it can be duplicated under mailman.

the list has two modes, regular and digest. however, any mail that is 
sent to the list with [ot] in the subject line only gets sent to the 
regular list, and does NOT get added to the digest. i accomplished this 
in majordomo via lots of headaches and whining and finally a couple of 
dummy lists that redirect mail hither and thither.

i'm hoping that there's some simpler way to do this with mailman, but 
having looked through the docs and config quite a bit i don't see it. i 
know that i can just bounce things with [ot] in the subject, but that's 
not at all what i need...

any ideas?

thanks,
douglas


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.................................http://shoko.calarts.edu/musicdsp
.......... repetto..............http://music.columbia.edu/organism
................................http://music.columbia.edu/~douglas



From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Nov 29 19:37:35 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 11:37:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What to backup
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20021129100115.026d2008@server01>
Message-ID: <3DE7B3EF.E1A84591@pcraft.com>

Brian Read wrote:

> Please could someone confirm that if I backup /opt/mailman and all below,
> then I am backing up the complete mailman installation including the
> address lists and actual messages?

    Don't forget to backup the actual list aliases as well.

--
H | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.





From nc at ncartron.org  Fri Nov 29 23:41:39 2002
From: nc at ncartron.org (Nicolas Cartron)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:41:39 -0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem when subscribing 
Message-ID: <1669.192.168.0.5.1038609699.squirrel@192.168.0.3>

All,

i recently installed Mailman on my server and i just can't make it work !

Explanations:
I installed the tarball, followed the instructions, everything's fine,
i receive the mail when trying to subscribe, i reply to confirm,
and then... nothing, no answer, not subscribed...

I checked the /var/log/maillog :
Nov 29 22:22:11 www postfix/local[73222]: DBD2015314A:
to=<zia-ml-request_epitech42.net at ncartron.org>, relay=local, delay=1,
status=sent
("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd zia-ml")

It seems it's ok, isn't it ?

Nothing special in the logs.
I'd really like to make it work ! :)

Thanks in advance for any help.

btw: i use freebsd 4.7 with postfix as MTA.


-- 
Nicolas Cartron




From vavroom at bmee.net  Sat Nov 30 03:02:27 2002
From: vavroom at bmee.net (Nicolas Steenhout)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:02:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web-based posting?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021129205549.05098aa8@mail.bmee.net>

Hello,

I've searched the archives and FAQ and I can't seem to be finding answer to 
my question.  This may be that I'm rather inept at searching! :-)

The host I'll be going with for my domain offers mailing list via mailman, 
which is a system I've used on another mailing list, as a user.

Here's what I want to do, is it possible to do it?

I want for the list to be restricted to registered users (no problem so 
far).  I want user's registration to be approved by the admin before they 
can become active.  I want users to be able to read the list on the web (no 
problem, archives, right?).  Most importantly, I would like users to be 
able to POST to the list from the web.

Any help would be appreciated, thank you

Nicolas
http://www.bmee.net
"You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry



From elaine at elainemiller.com  Sat Nov 30 03:12:14 2002
From: elaine at elainemiller.com (Elaine Miller)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 18:12:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web-based posting?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021129205549.05098aa8@mail.bmee.net>
Message-ID: <3DE7ADFE.9155.5B9D851@localhost>

Hmm. Seems like one ought to be able to set up a simple formmail on an 
html page, since Formmail sends to the set address as coming "from" the 
email address the user enters.

Might be harder to stop spammers with this one...

I'll go try it. Surely it can't actually be that simple? 
<grin>

Elaine





On 29 Nov 2002 at 21:02, Nicolas Steenhout wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I've searched the archives and FAQ and I can't seem to be finding answer to
> my question.  This may be that I'm rather inept at searching! :-)
> 
> The host I'll be going with for my domain offers mailing list via mailman,
> which is a system I've used on another mailing list, as a user.
> 
> Here's what I want to do, is it possible to do it?
> 
> I want for the list to be restricted to registered users (no problem so
> far).  I want user's registration to be approved by the admin before they
> can become active.  I want users to be able to read the list on the web (no
> problem, archives, right?).  Most importantly, I would like users to be
> able to POST to the list from the web.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated, thank you
> 
> Nicolas
> http://www.bmee.net
> "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: elaine at elainemiller.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/elaine%40elainemiller.
> com
> 
> 


--
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http://dyketech.com/
elaine at dyketech.com




From ram at path.net  Sat Nov 30 14:49:54 2002
From: ram at path.net (Ram Prasad)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 19:19:54 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] VirtualHosting and Mailman 
Message-ID: <001001c29877$60f60020$0164a8c0@rambo>

Hi

I have installed mailman successfully, and would like to know how I can
do virtualhosting... The scenario is:
1) the client wants to have his own listman page ( for the lists of his
domain, say, news at abc.org)
2) now, since we also run lists for other domains, the address
news at abc.org is conflicting with news at xyz.org.

I am using sendmail as my MTA.

I would like to know how I can do virtual hosting with mailman. Any
pointers to articles on the net is also fine.. Please help


Ram Prasad. P
http://www.megalinux.net
 



From craig at dashsystems.com  Sat Nov 30 17:36:09 2002
From: craig at dashsystems.com (Craig Isdahl)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:36:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing python-modules on mailmain setup
Message-ID: <001301c2988e$974ab9b0$1e00a8c0@craig>

Hello Everyone,

First off, my linux skills are in the learning stage so this may
be a very silly question.  I'm trying to setup mailman and I
have installed apache-1.3.23-14, postfix-1.1.7-2, and
python-1.5.2-38.  This is RH 7.3 and the installed python is the
single "python" selection from the RH installation disk.  When I
tried to install mailman-2.0.13-6.i386.rpm I get:

[root at lists root]# rpm -Uvh mailman-2.0.13-6.i386.rpm
error: failed dependencies:
        crondaemon is needed by mailman-2.0.13-6
        python-modules is needed by mailman-2.0.13-6

So I checked the archives and it was suggested I needed to
install python-devel-1.5.2-38.  I also installed the docs and
tools for the same version.  I'm still receiving the same error
as above.

Two obvious questions:
 - what is meant by python-modules since I can't seem to find
them on searches?
 - I have the crondaemon installed and running, isn't it crond
below?  If so why the error message?

[root at lists root]# chkconfig --list | grep 3:on
keytable        0:off   1:on    2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on
6:off
atd             0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:on    5:on
6:off
syslog          0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on
6:off
gpm             0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on
6:off
kudzu           0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:on    5:on
6:off
netfs           0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:on    5:on
6:off
network         0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on
6:off
random          0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on
6:off
crond           0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on
6:off
anacron         0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on
6:off
sshd            0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on
6:off
httpd           0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:off   5:off
6:off
postfix         0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on
6:off

Thanks for your input!
Craig




From cdark at wildlife-resort.com  Tue Nov 26 19:44:30 2002
From: cdark at wildlife-resort.com (Charles Dark)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:44:30 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Instlaling Mailman
Message-ID: <MNEOJIDCKOGFJKENOAHEKEAOCPAA.cdark@wildlife-resort.com>

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From timh at tntdental.com  Tue Nov 26 23:19:58 2002
From: timh at tntdental.com (Tim Healy)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:19:58 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation & Support
Message-ID: <AAEPIOHHDEFMFIPIGKONIEPMFFAA.timh@tntdental.com>

Do you have a list of individuals available for installation, support and
customization of the Mailman software? The environment is Red Hat 7.2
w/Plesk 2.5. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
Tim Healy, Director
ph: 214.680.1270
fx: 617.344.5890

www.tntdental.com
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From chris at theweb-factory.com  Wed Nov 27 06:59:57 2002
From: chris at theweb-factory.com (Chris Ricard)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:59:57 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating a read only list
Message-ID: <005701c295da$37902d40$4011b38e@workstat>

Hello,
Great program, I'm looking for something to communicate with my customers
like a list management program, rather than a list where everyone can post.
Your list "mailman announce" is a read only, but I couldn't find the read
only option in the program. Checked out the FAQ and searchable archive and
nothing came up.

Thanks,
Chris Ricard
www.theweb-factory.com
Providing Functional E-Business Solutions
chris at theweb-factory.com


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From josjr at biosci.cbs.umn.edu  Wed Nov 27 17:00:06 2002
From: josjr at biosci.cbs.umn.edu (Jim Smith)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:00:06 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automating Gnu Mailman List Updates
Message-ID: <3DE4EC06.3050109@cbs.umn.edu>

Hi...

I have a Perl-based organization data management system from which I 
will be exracting the e-mail address of individuals and assigning to 
various Gnu Mailman managed e-mail lists. This needs to be automated so 
that the e-mail lists are continually up-to-date with the data contained 
within the organization data management system.

In order to do this I need either a Perl module that accesses Gnu 
Mailman list objects or a Command Line Interface to the Gnu Mailman 
system. Are either of these available?

In general, is there a Gnu Mailman model for automating the updates of 
Gnu Mailman list objects, without using the Web Interface?

Jim

-- 
------
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Assistant Coordinator
Information Technology Group
College of Biological Sciences
247 Gortner Lab
University of Minnesota
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IRIS  - Image Repository Information System
WREN  - Web-based Research Education Network



From kdowell at waldenweb.com  Wed Nov 27 20:00:00 2002
From: kdowell at waldenweb.com (Keith)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:00:00 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] add user from cmdline
Message-ID: <000f01c29647$32d835f0$d093a3d1@wivnet.com>

Is there a way to add users by command line through scripts?

Keith Dowell
Network Administrator / Programmer
kdowell at waldenweb.com 





From swallack at optonline.net  Wed Nov 27 22:47:12 2002
From: swallack at optonline.net (Sherry Berne Wallack)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:47:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is Mailman right for my needs?
Message-ID: <BA0AA78F.41AA%swallack@optonline.net>

Hello Mailman users.

I am a Mac G3 user running OS 9.2.2 and Outlook Express which is too limited
for my needs, as follows.
Can anyone tell me if this is right for me?  Hostway is hosting my domain
name and email accounts.

Thank you,
Sherry

FIRST, DOES MAILMAN RUN ON OS9.2...or just OSX?

1. I have a graphics rich .html email (no flash-nothing active) residing on
my hard drive. I want to import it into the email box.
Can be done with Mailman, easily? If it helps, I could place it on the
server.

2. I'd like to be able to add a personal message above this graphic, like:
Dear John, It was nice to meet you at the trade show. Here is my info below.
Sincerely.....

3. I must be able to send to a group, as BCC: or other means so no one sees
other names.

4. Maximum file size to send and receive?

5. Can I import a database of names and addresses into Mailman from another
program and export the Mailman database to others?
Which others will work with Mailman? Outlook? Palm? Excel?  Currently, my
lists only exist in Excel, as .csv files. It would be nice to make sales
notes in these lists which I am using for prospecting.

6. What is the latest version and upgrades that I will need, of Mailman, for
my system?

7. Can I ever speak with a tech support person at Mailman? Is there paid
support?

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From andrew at fed.uh.cu  Thu Nov 28 17:30:38 2002
From: andrew at fed.uh.cu (Andres H. Moreno)
Date: 28 Nov 2002 16:30:38 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have a PROBleM. HELP!!!!!!
Message-ID: <1038501038.16618.28.camel@fedvirtual2>

when i go to 
  
   http://my.address.me/mailman/ 
I got this error:

Access forbidden!

       You don't have permission to access the requested directory.     
There is either no index document or the directory is read-protected. 

       If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster

Error 403

       fed.uh.cu 
       jue 28 nov 2002 16:33:16 CST 
       Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux) 

How I fix this litter problem.


Andrew.



From thekkumt at uchastings.edu  Tue Nov 26 23:22:24 2002
From: thekkumt at uchastings.edu (Sony Z Thekkumthara)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:22:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
 error reading SMTP packet; response to dot-stuffed message expected"
Message-ID: <3DE383A0.17518.13DEEF1@localhost>

Any one can please shed some lights on this error message...
"error reading SMTP packet; response to dot-stuffed message 
expected"

This happens for a few users who are using their ISP to post a 
message to our mailman list server. Some times the mails delays 12 
hours or more or will not reach at all.

Thanks so much,
Zach


From sb.list at sb.org  Sat Nov 30 19:47:07 2002
From: sb.list at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:47:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is Mailman right for my needs?
In-Reply-To: <BA0AA78F.41AA%swallack@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <BA0E71DB.5095E%sb.list@sb.org>

On 11/27/02 4:47 PM, "Sherry Berne Wallack" <swallack at optonline.net> wrote:

> Hello Mailman users.
> 
> I am a Mac G3 user running OS 9.2.2 and Outlook Express which is too limited
> for my needs, as follows.
> Can anyone tell me if this is right for me?  Hostway is hosting my domain
> name and email accounts.
> 
> Thank you,
> Sherry
> 
> FIRST, DOES MAILMAN RUN ON OS9.2...or just OSX?

Not Mac OS 9. It does on on OS X, as well as many Unix and Windows systems.

> 1. I have a graphics rich .html email (no flash-nothing active) residing on
> my hard drive. I want to import it into the email box.
> Can be done with Mailman, easily? If it helps, I could place it on the
> server.

All Mailman does is redistribute email messages. It can add headers and
footers to them, but the content of the message is determined by the sender.
If you can create an email message that looks like your .html file, then
you're ok. Check your email client documentation to see how to do this.

> 2. I'd like to be able to add a personal message above this graphic, like:
> Dear John, It was nice to meet you at the trade show. Here is my info below.
> Sincerely.....

Mailman can add headers and footers, but they aren't like mail merge form
letters. They also look a little strange with html email because they are
separate mime sections.

You should look elsewhere to do what you want.

> 3. I must be able to send to a group, as BCC: or other means so no one sees
> other names.

Mailman never exposes other recipients' addresses to each other.

> 4. Maximum file size to send and receive?

That's settable. May be limited by your mail server.

> 5. Can I import a database of names and addresses into Mailman from another
> program and export the Mailman database to others?

There are scripts that will create lists of subscribers, and which will add
subscribers.

> Which others will work with Mailman? Outlook? Palm? Excel?  Currently, my
> lists only exist in Excel, as .csv files. It would be nice to make sales
> notes in these lists which I am using for prospecting.

You (or someone) would have to write a script to convert these into a simple
list of text addresses that could be fed to one of Mailman's scripts.

> 6. What is the latest version and upgrades that I will need, of Mailman, for
> my system?

Visit the Mailman page at <http://mailman.sourceforge.net/> for this info.

> 7. Can I ever speak with a tech support person at Mailman? Is there paid
> support?

Mailman is an open-source project. People on this mailing list will help as
their time allows. Some will install a Mailman system and maintain it for
you for a fee.

I get the impression from your questions that Mailman isn't right for you. I
can't suggest anything specific that would work better, though, but I'm sure
they're out there.

 - Stoney



From danny at terweij.nl  Sat Nov 30 19:50:14 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 19:50:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have a PROBleM. HELP!!!!!!
References: <1038501038.16618.28.camel@fedvirtual2>
Message-ID: <02d701c298a1$5171bc00$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>


From: "Andres H. Moreno" <andrew at fed.uh.cu>

> when i go to 
>   
>    http://my.address.me/mailman/ 
> I got this error:
> 
> Access forbidden!

That is normal.

Just use http://my.address.me/mailman/listinfo

Danny Terweij




From sb.list at sb.org  Sat Nov 30 19:51:03 2002
From: sb.list at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:51:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have a PROBleM. HELP!!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <1038501038.16618.28.camel@fedvirtual2>
Message-ID: <BA0E72C7.50961%sb.list@sb.org>

On 11/28/02 11:30 AM, "Andres H. Moreno" <andrew at fed.uh.cu> wrote:

> when i go to 
> 
>  http://my.address.me/mailman/
> I got this error:
> 
> Access forbidden!
> 
>      You don't have permission to access the requested directory.
> There is either no index document or the directory is read-protected.
> 
>      If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster
> 
> Error 403
> 
>      fed.uh.cu 
>      jue 28 nov 2002 16:33:16 CST
>      Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux)
> 
> How I fix this litter problem.

Try <http://my.address.me/mailman/admin> or
<http://my.address.me/mailman/listinfo>.

There's nothing at the top level of the mailman directory unless you put
something there. I put an index.html file there that gives you a link to the
listinfo page.

You could also redirect index.html to listinfo.

 - Stoney
 



From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Sat Nov 30 19:52:53 2002
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:52:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] add user from cmdline
In-Reply-To: <000f01c29647$32d835f0$d093a3d1@wivnet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0211301051170.27540-100000@gort.cjb.net>

On Nov 27, 2002 at 13:00, Keith wrote:

>Is there a way to add users by command line through scripts?

bin/add_members

-- 
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Perl, Apache, Linux, C. http://www-scf.usc.edu/~phanse/resume.pdf
Sector not found (A)bort, (R)etry, (C)offee?



From kzirk at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 30 19:52:48 2002
From: kzirk at earthlink.net (Karin Zirk)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:52:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Demime and Stripmime
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20021130105206.0207fea0@mail.earthlink.net>



Has anyone tried using Demime or Stripmime to deal remove the AOL HTML 
portion of the email message?

Karin



From nc at ncartron.org  Sat Nov 30 21:19:26 2002
From: nc at ncartron.org (Nicolas Cartron)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 20:19:26 -0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem when subscribing
In-Reply-To: <1669.192.168.0.5.1038609699.squirrel@192.168.0.3>
References: <1669.192.168.0.5.1038609699.squirrel@192.168.0.3>
Message-ID: <1178.217.174.207.250.1038687566.squirrel@ncartron.org>

> All,
>
> i recently installed Mailman on my server and i just can't make it work
> !
>
> Explanations:
> I installed the tarball, followed the instructions, everything's fine, i
> receive the mail when trying to subscribe, i reply to confirm,
> and then... nothing, no answer, not subscribed...
>
> I checked the /var/log/maillog :
> Nov 29 22:22:11 www postfix/local[73222]: DBD2015314A:
> to=<zia-ml-request_epitech42.net at ncartron.org>, relay=local, delay=1,
> status=sent
> ("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd zia-ml")
>
> It seems it's ok, isn't it ?
>
> Nothing special in the logs.
> I'd really like to make it work ! :)
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.
>
> btw: i use freebsd 4.7 with postfix as MTA.

Hello,
I sent my message again as i can't find what i could do...
I checked with check_perms -f, it's okay, aliases are ok, Postfix
receives the message and forwards it to the mail wrapper... and
nothing more...

Do you have an idea ?
Thanks.


-- 
Nicolas Cartron




From raquel at thericehouse.net  Sat Nov 30 20:15:12 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:15:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Demime and Stripmime
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20021130105206.0207fea0@mail.earthlink.net>
References: <5.0.2.1.1.20021130105206.0207fea0@mail.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20021130111512.0e29d6fc.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:52:48 -0800
Karin Zirk <kzirk at earthlink.net> wrote:

> 
> 
> Has anyone tried using Demime or Stripmime to deal remove the AOL
> HTML portion of the email message?
> 
> Karin
> 

No.  I use MM 2.1b3 which stips it without need for the other tools.

--
Raquel
============================================================
Listen to your heartbeat, to know and harness your drum major
instinct, to find where you are called in your life to be an
extremist in the brotherhood of humanity, to develop dangerous
unselfishness, to live a committed life, to be great in service and
to find the Dr. King in you.
  --Judge Judith Hightower



From tenant at tenant.net  Sat Nov 30 20:25:03 2002
From: tenant at tenant.net (Tenant)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 14:25:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] questions
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021130142459.01b7cda8@tenant.net>

We're still using Mailman 2.0beta6 and it's been fine for out announce-only 
list. We're also running Redhat 6.1.

But we're looking to upgrade to Redhat 7.3 or 8.0, and also to a newer 
mailman, so I've got some questions that I hope some of the listmembers can 
answer.

1. Just how close to being released is Mailman 2.1? It seems like it's been 
forever.

2. Any difficulties with Mailman 2.1 when running Redhat 7.3 or 8.0? Can it 
be installed on RH6.1 (is a newer python required?) We might get to Mailman 
before we get to the OS upgrade.

3. Are there/will there be ways to minimize all those headers? Yes, I've 
heard why they're there, but IMHO some are not necessary and they take up a 
lot of room.

4. Will subscribers be able to ubsubscribe without passwords? This is the 
largest complaint we get from subscribers.

5. How difficult is installation and are there compatability problems with 
years of existing archives?

Thanks for any insights.
John Fisher
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From sb.list at sb.org  Sat Nov 30 20:41:50 2002
From: sb.list at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 14:41:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem when subscribing
In-Reply-To: <1178.217.174.207.250.1038687566.squirrel@ncartron.org>
Message-ID: <BA0E7EAE.5097D%sb.list@sb.org>

On 11/30/02 3:19 PM, "Nicolas Cartron" <nc at ncartron.org> wrote:

>> All,
>> 
>> i recently installed Mailman on my server and i just can't make it work
>> !
>> 
>> Explanations:
>> I installed the tarball, followed the instructions, everything's fine, i
>> receive the mail when trying to subscribe, i reply to confirm,
>> and then... nothing, no answer, not subscribed...
>> 
>> I checked the /var/log/maillog :
>> Nov 29 22:22:11 www postfix/local[73222]: DBD2015314A:
>> to=<zia-ml-request_epitech42.net at ncartron.org>, relay=local, delay=1,
>> status=sent
>> ("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd zia-ml")
>> 
>> It seems it's ok, isn't it ?
>> 
>> Nothing special in the logs.
>> I'd really like to make it work ! :)
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for any help.
>> 
>> btw: i use freebsd 4.7 with postfix as MTA.
> 
> Hello,
> I sent my message again as i can't find what i could do...
> I checked with check_perms -f, it's okay, aliases are ok, Postfix
> receives the message and forwards it to the mail wrapper... and
> nothing more...
> 
> Do you have an idea ?
> Thanks.
> 

Is qrunner running (Mailman 2.1)? Or are the qrunner cron jobs installed and
tested (Mailman 2.0)?

Are there files in any of the subdirectories of mailman/qfiles?

Are you sure that you built Mailman with the correct mail-server-gid?

What version of Mailman are you running?

 - Stoney



From nc at ncartron.org  Sat Nov 30 21:56:49 2002
From: nc at ncartron.org (Nicolas Cartron)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 20:56:49 -0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem when subscribing
In-Reply-To: <BA0E7EAE.5097D%sb.list@sb.org>
References: <1178.217.174.207.250.1038687566.squirrel@ncartron.org>
        <BA0E7EAE.5097D%sb.list@sb.org>
Message-ID: <1396.217.174.207.250.1038689809.squirrel@ncartron.org>

Hello Stoney,

> Is qrunner running (Mailman 2.1)? Or are the qrunner cron jobs installed
> and tested (Mailman 2.0)?

I'm running Mailman 2.0.13.
Cron jobs are installed.

> Are there files in any of the subdirectories of mailman/qfiles?

yes, a lot in fact.

> Are you sure that you built Mailman with the correct mail-server-gid?

yes, i specified the --with-mail-gid matching my /etc/passwd file.

How can i do ?
Is this a mailman problem ?
I mean, postfix receives the messages and forwards them to Mailman,
so it should be a Mailman issue ?





-- 
Nicolas Cartron




From fish at livingsky.net  Sat Nov 30 20:52:22 2002
From: fish at livingsky.net (fish)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:52:22 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authentication problem - fixed
Message-ID: <FFEHJKDOKCCPDELMCLCACELBDHAA.fish@livingsky.net>

I am sending this to the list mostly for the archives so that others who
have the same problem will not have to search as long as I did for the
solution. I also want to thank Richard for helping me by pointing me in the
right direction so that I could "logic" out the rest.

This is on a basic server intallation using Debian, Exim, Apache and Mailman

The first problem that I was having was an authentication problem caused by
a cron job.

Nov 27 22:03:01 livingsky CRON[23330]: Authentication service cannot
retrieve authentication info.

This was resolved by updating the shadow passwords file /etc/shadow to make
sure that the user "mailman" was listed in that file. The command I used to
do this was "pwconv" at the promtp as root. This allowed me to update the
shadow file without deleting and re-creating the user "mailman".

Immediately after this, I started to get another permission problem

> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 198, in main
>     lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
>     self.__write()
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
>     fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> '/usr/lib/mailman/locks/gate_news.lock.fish.13366'

Which, after some research through Google, I figured out that I had to
update the cron jobs and thus had to run "crontab -u mailman crontab.in" in
the /usr/lib/mailman/cron/ directory.

Hope this helps if anyone else has these same problems.

Robert Lydiate
icon at accesscomm.ca



From danny at terweij.nl  Sat Nov 30 21:09:47 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:09:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] questions
References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021130142459.01b7cda8@tenant.net>
Message-ID: <02f801c298ac$6efc2390$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>

From: "Tenant" <tenant at tenant.net>

> 1. Just how close to being released is Mailman 2.1? It seems like it's
been
> forever.

Arround 23 december 2.1 final version.

> 2. Any difficulties with Mailman 2.1 when running Redhat 7.3 or 8.0? Can
it
> be installed on RH6.1 (is a newer python required?) We might get to
Mailman
> before we get to the OS upgrade.

Python 2.x needed.

> 4. Will subscribers be able to ubsubscribe without passwords? This is the
> largest complaint we get from subscribers.

Nope, still the same.

> 5. How difficult is installation and are there compatability problems with
> years of existing archives?

Just backup all and then install new version over old version.
2.1 has uprade scripts, so it would be running fine.

Danny




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Sat Nov 30 21:12:41 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:12:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] questions
In-Reply-To: <02f801c298ac$6efc2390$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
Message-ID: <14B1F6FC-04A0-11D7-8222-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>


On Saturday, November 30, 2002, at 12:09  PM, Danny Terweij wrote:
4. Will subscribers be able to ubsubscribe without passwords? This is 
the
>> largest complaint we get from subscribers.
>
> Nope, still the same.
>

Not strictly true. if you don't give the password, it'll mail you a 
link you can use to confirm the unsubscription. So you can avoid the 
password hassle by clicking a web link.


>
-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/

Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties
are largely ceremonial.



From barry at python.org  Fri Nov 29 05:36:46 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 23:36:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b5 make syntax error?
References: <020a01c29588$03b88370$7800a8c0@fozzie>
Message-ID: <15846.61150.103043.454309@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


    > See end of enclosed dump for details.. Hints please?

    > checking Python version... 2.2a1

You're running an alpha version of Python 2.2, so all bets are off
(no, it's not worth making configure check for this).

Upgrade to Python 2.2.2 and you should be fine.
-Barry


From barry at python.org  Fri Nov 29 05:34:00 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 23:34:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP!  Getting different Import Error:
 python2.2/lib-dynload/_socket.so: bad ELF flags value: 256
References: <200211261810.gAQIAEx7025861@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
Message-ID: <15846.60984.531723.340315@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

>>>>> "SR" == Steve Rifkin <steve410 at cs.jhu.edu> writes:

    SR> Anyone familiar with the error (we're running python 2.2.2 and
    SR> mailman 2.08):

    SR> admin(7162): ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python:
    SR> fatal: /usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/_socket.so: bad
    SR> ELF flags value: 256

This can only mean that your Python installation is messed up.

-Barry


From barry at python.org  Fri Nov 29 05:30:04 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 23:30:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce-only lists?
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021126073444.03060ec8@server01>
	<3DE327A9.9000700@boom.org.il>
	<336990301.20021126185733@moz.co.nz>
	<3DE3A264.1040608@boom.org.il>
Message-ID: <15846.60748.753643.94547@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

>>>>> "SB" == Sagi Bashari <sagi at boom.org.il> writes:

    SB> Because faking the 'From' header is easy.

Faking everything about email is easy.
-Barry





From barry at python.org  Fri Nov 29 05:29:00 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 23:29:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is this real? (Missing Password Message)
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021126032125.03c67e40@mail.nethawk.com>
Message-ID: <15846.60684.179325.107048@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim  <QSL at softhome.net> writes:

    Tim> One of my list managers forwarded the below to me and I've
    Tim> never seen anything like it before.  My question is: Is this
    Tim> a legitimate Mailman v2.0.8 message or is it a worm generated
    Tim> message (notice the "To: undisclosed-recipients: ;")?  Note
    Tim> I've replaced the valid user address with x's

    Tim> User: 'xxxxxx at xxx.xxx' List: elecraft

    Tim> lacks a password. Please notify the Mailman system manager at
    Tim> this site!

It's for real.  Earlier versions of Mailman could leave the user
database in an inconsistent state, where there's a record of the user
but no password registered for the user.  This is warning about that
state (I don't know why you got the undisclosed-recipients).

Off hand, the best way to solve the problem is probably to unsub the
addr and re-sub it.

-Barry