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Michael Smith mike at icon.co.za
Tue May 14 07:57:54 CEST 2002 

Why not use Majordomo then??? You seem to like it a lot

Mike

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On Mon, 13 May 2002, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote:

> 	Well bully for you.  Its just fine that you like it.  I like it as well
> just wish that it was not such a pain in the butt to do anything other than
> the EXACT way the programmers dictate that they be done.  The fact is that
> the software is nit flexible at all.  If you know anything about
> programming other than being able to spout technobabble you will know what
> I mean by that and that I am 100% accurate in saying it.
> 	Keep in mind that pure numbers has no relation what so ever with quality
> or anything else.  If such a relationship did exist then AOL would be the
> best software ever to hit the net and cockroaches would be the most
> intelligent species on the face of the Earth.
> 	Mailman is not even close to as flexible and easy to use as
> Majordomo.  You don't have to worry about all these FORCED "options" that
> Mailman has.  You don't have to keep track of all kinds of web pages that
> are not even needed to run a mailing list.  You don't have to hack your
> system every time you want to set up a list option.  All you need to do is
> set a single config file and run your list spam free for years.
> 	Of course if you are a anal retentive power junkie who has to feel like
> you control aspect of a simple mailing list (as if was ever making any
> difference to the operations thereof) you can add all these absurd FORCED
> passwords, headers, queues of unrequested mail, etc.  You don't have to put
> up with any of that sort of junk with majordomo.  (BTW the hack you
> suggested in the FAQ is asinine.  It also deletes all subscription requests
> from making it to the admin.  Your suggestions is akin to suggesting that
> one burn down their house because a light bulb is burnt out.
> 	If the programmers are so thin skinned that they cannot handle someone
> pointing out shortcoming in heir code then they need to find other
> work.  It comes with the territory.  When you release code you will get
> feedback that with at least some frequency does not gloss over everything
> and pretend that the said code is absolutely perfect.
>
> :)
> Enjoy!
>
>
>
> At 10:49 PM 5/13/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>  >Many of us love Mailman, and have been using it for what it was designed
>  >for, with whatever assumptions the developer(s) had in mind, for quite some
>  >time.
>  >
>  >Considering that the software is Open Source, and that the developer(s) has
>  >not charged you for it's use, or the owners/administrators of the server you
>  >are using, you've got quite a damn good deal!
>  >
>  >I suppose you could learn some programming and develop your own list that
>  >works perfectly for you, and you could ASS-U-ME for only your needs, and no
>  >one elses.  Or you could use any one of the other commercial programs that
>  >are available, and pay some big bucks to do so.  You might even get exactly
>  >what you want, too.
>  >
>  >As far as comparing Mailman to Majordomo, Mailman in my opinion is way
>  >superior.  But you do have options.  You could find a hosting company that
>  >offers Majordomo.  It's a pain, I know,  but then, that might be easier for
>  >you in the long run, and then the developers who offered this software for
>  >no cost and made it available to you and your server's owner wouldn't need
>  >to read silly words that are in effect, insulting.
>  >
>  >Perhaps the biggest Ass is, in fact, you.
>  >
>  >> 	Herein lies the rub with the mailman program.  The
>  >> programmers ASS-U-ME
>  >> that everyone using the software as full access to the server on which it
>  >> is run.  Many users have this in a shared server environment and these
>  >> "wonderful" patches to make up for short comings in the software
>  >> are not an
>  >> alternative.  The software basically is not too bad.  The fact there is
>  >> very little that a list owner can set up to his liking without hacking a
>  >> lot of places is troubling.  All of this type of things should
>  >> not even be
>  >> an issue.  There should be options in the admin interface to
>  >> handle all of
>  >> this.  Majordomo is SO simple and straight forward.  All you do is set a
>  >> single config file and bang you are on the way.  With this you
>  >> have to hack
>  >> here to fix this and there to fix that so that eventually you
>  >> have no clue
>  >> what all has ben done!
>  >> 	The 'fix' you offer me for this question is not a fix at
>  >> all.  It is
>  >> merely a cover up.  The messages are still queued up and stored.
>  >> All that
>  >> happens is that a cron job nukes them.  Heck bounced messages should NOT
>  >> default to being stored anyway.  You should have to enable it if you want
>  >> it.  The whole purpose of closing a list is to not get crap mail that you
>  >> dont want.  If I wanted to have to approve mail i would have set it up to
>  >> be moderated.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> At 10:05 AM 5/14/2002 +0800, Lewis Lau wrote:
>  >>  >
>  >>  >Hey man,
>  >>  >
>  >>  >Read the FAQ! Topic on: How do I automatically delete held messages?
>  >>  >
>  >>  >Lewis
>  >>  >
>  >>  >At 06:18 PM 5/13/02 -0400, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote:
>  >>  >>I have my list closed so that only subscribers can post.  I
>  >> keep getting
>  >>  >>these emails each time a non-subscriber tries to post saying
>  >> that I have
>  >>  >>to go approve or reject the post.  Hey guess what, I made it closed
>  >>  >>because I DONT want these posts.  Go figure!  So tell me how
>  >> do I make it
>  >>  >>stop sending me these emails and adding all of these tasks to an admin
>  >>  >>queue when it is blatantly obvious that I dont want the posts
>  >> in the first
>  >>  >>place.  if I did i would not have closed the list.
>  >>  >
>  >>  >
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