, or 
inserting s.  It would be a very good idea to translate the HTML 
angle-bracket characters to < > (or the numeric equivalents) at 
a minimum-- ampersands should probably get the same treatment.  As 
things are now, someone could post a message with a subject line 
containing a 'script' element that points to a security-exploiting 
piece of JS somewhere, thus making that month's archive into a trojan 
horse.

--
Eric A. Meyer (eric at meyerweb.com) http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/
Author, "Cascading Style Sheets: The Definitive Guide" and
"CSS 2.0 Programmer's Reference"  http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/books/




From listadmin at aerosmithfanclub.com  Tue May 14 18:26:25 2002
From: listadmin at aerosmithfanclub.com (AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:26:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] is private mail being redirected here?
In-Reply-To: <549654531.1021351986@tom-9k5kaocfpin>
References: <20020514060818.20947.16797.Mailman@mail.python.org>
 <20020514060818.20947.16797.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.2.2.20020514122107.00b55a30@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>

They are not one sided conversations.  The discussion was in reply to a 
question that I asked on the list.  IMHO it is proper to continue posting 
to the list.  In fact the undesired behavior is to take a list discussion 
private.  Questions that are asked that relate to the general topic of the 
list should stay there.  Most often if there is a question by one 
subscriber then others on the list would have the same or similar 
questions.  keeping the discussion on the list gives all subscribers 
benefit of the answer, etc.

However if the reply one is giving is one that is an ad hominem matter then 
the reply should not have been made in he first place,  It is not an issue 
of whether it belongs on the list or not.  So your beef is with the folks 
who choose not to answer a list post on the list, not with the people who 
keep posts where they belong.

Thanks...

At 04:53 AM 5/14/2002 -0400, you wrote:
 >I am seeing what appears to be a series of one-sided "answer posts" from
 >
 >  
 >
 >quoting messages that have not previously appeared on the mailman-users
 >list.  If this person is redirecting private responses to the list without
 >the correspondent's permission, that's considered rude Net behavior and
 >they should cease.  If there is some other technical explanation, perhaps
 >it's a Mailman issue.
 >
 >
 >------------------------------------------------------
 >Mailman-Users mailing list
 >Mailman-Users at python.org
 >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
 >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
 >
 >
 > 






From support at obantec.net  Tue May 14 18:42:07 2002
From: support at obantec.net (Support)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 17:42:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist for virtual host
Message-ID: <191a01c1fb66$4c43eb00$0a01a8c0@gamma>

Hi

When i run newlist it does not prompt for which virtual_domain the list is
for.
I am using VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW=1 but it creates the lists under
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME with
DEFAULT_URL

Looks like another hack needed to make it useable under virtual domains.

Mark






From raquel at thericehouse.net  Tue May 14 18:55:44 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 09:55:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist for virtual host
In-Reply-To: <191a01c1fb66$4c43eb00$0a01a8c0@gamma>
References: <191a01c1fb66$4c43eb00$0a01a8c0@gamma>
Message-ID: <20020514095544.710971ca.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Tue, 14 May 2002 17:42:07 +0100
Support "Support"  wrote:

> Hi
> 
> When i run newlist it does not prompt for which virtual_domain the
> list is
> for.
> I am using VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW=1 but it creates the lists under
> DEFAULT_HOST_NAME with
> DEFAULT_URL
> 
> Looks like another hack needed to make it useable under virtual
> domains.
> 
> Mark

Mark,

I was confused by that at first too.  However, going to "General
Options", "Host name this list prefers" and the following question,
you can change the virtual host for an individual list.

-- 
Raquel
============================================================
Be yourself. Who else is better qualified?
  --Frank J. Giblin II

                              
                              




From WSpivak at sbanetweb.com  Tue May 14 18:55:23 2002
From: WSpivak at sbanetweb.com (Wayne Spivak)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:55:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using MM2.0.10, Moderated messages get stuck
In-Reply-To: <191a01c1fb66$4c43eb00$0a01a8c0@gamma>
Message-ID: <028001c1fb68$24243dd0$1900a8c0@PRESIDENT>

Running MM2.0.10, Python 1.5.2 and Roxen Challenger 1.3.x

When I get several messages in the same queue for the same moderated
mailing list, the messages get stuck.

Using the Web Interface (un-modified), breaks the CGI scripting with a
"File Not Found".  When only a couple of e-mails are in the queue, the
system works fine.

A) Any ideas on how to fix web-interface
B) Any way of manually releasing these files
C) Any way to move out messages, and reconstruct request.db w/o
re-sending all the messages.

Thanks!




Prof. Wayne Spivak
SBA * ConsultingR  - Systems for Business & Accounting
SBA.NET.WEBR  - Internet & World Wide Web Consulting
divisions of SBA * Consulting, Ltd.
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Tel: 516-221-3306      Fax: 516-221-7129  mailto:WSpivak at sbanetweb.com
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http://www.sbaconsulting.com/press/ -- Published Articles







From claw at kanga.nu  Tue May 14 19:01:00 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 10:01:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer disappeared in HTML mails? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Lewis Lau  
   of "Tue, 14 May 2002 17:05:55 +0800." <5.1.0.14.2.20020514165831.00a857f0@mail.cityu.edu.hk> 
References: <"Message from Lewis Lau  <5.1.0.14.2.20020514113727.00a87b10@mail.cityu.edu.hk> <5.1.1.2.2.20020513225853.00b7f160@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020514113727.00a87b10@mail.cityu.edu.hk>  <5.1.0.14.2.20020514165831.00a857f0@mail.cityu.edu.hk> 
Message-ID: <16442.1021395660@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 14 May 2002 17:05:55 +0800 
Lewis Lau  wrote:

> That's good to heard the problem was being fixed in 2.1, but
> unfortunately the mailman running on my machine is 2.0.10! Any patch
> or fix for the current stage?

Nope, and unlikely to be.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From jim.millard at pioneer-pdt.com  Tue May 14 19:01:09 2002
From: jim.millard at pioneer-pdt.com (Jim Millard)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 10:01:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RH 73 & Mailman
Message-ID: 

Did RH leave something out of their distribution?
I have installed the Mailman that comes on their disks.
When I create a new list, no proper links to the list are set.
I set my domain in the mm_cfg.py file and get a proper looking URL
in the notification message. I just get a 404 as there is no
mailman dir under /var/www/html (the main directory for apache under RH.)

--
Regards,
Jim Millard
Sr. Software Engineer
Pioneer Digital Technologies, Inc.
==============================================
I think they used to call them transistor units.
Montgomery - Scott Stardate 3131.9 




From jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org  Tue May 14 19:13:29 2002
From: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org (Jim Hale)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:13:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RH 73 & Mailman
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1021396408.3ce145b901f26@halemail.dyndns.org>

Everything's there - works fine for me. It doesn't actually store the lists 
under html (I don't think) - did you do ALL the configuration? There's aliasing 
going on in the httpd.conf file to point to the mailman stuff even though it's 
not physically located under the html folder. Check the RPM info for a step-by-
step what to do. 

Jim Hale
---
Jim & Kathy's Website Collection
http://hale.dyndns.org



Quoting Jim Millard :

> Did RH leave something out of their distribution?
> I have installed the Mailman that comes on their disks.
> When I create a new list, no proper links to the list are set.
> I set my domain in the mm_cfg.py file and get a proper looking URL
> in the notification message. I just get a 404 as there is no
> mailman dir under /var/www/html (the main directory for apache under RH.)
> 
> --
> Regards,
> Jim Millard
> Sr. Software Engineer
> Pioneer Digital Technologies, Inc.
> ==============================================
> I think they used to call them transistor units.
> Montgomery - Scott Stardate 3131.9 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 


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From claw at kanga.nu  Tue May 14 19:10:39 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 10:10:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie - many questions and ideas but mostly how to kill the SPAM 
In-Reply-To: Message from Simon Waters  
   of "Tue, 14 May 2002 17:05:11 BST." <3CE135B7.40D557EE@wretched.demon.co.uk> 
References: <3CE135B7.40D557EE@wretched.demon.co.uk> 
Message-ID: <16714.1021396239@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 14 May 2002 17:05:11 +0100 
Simon Waters  wrote:

> Questions and Comments.

> 1. Can a regular expression be fatal rather than just requiring
> moderation. I have a number of rules with 100% hit rate - such as
> trapping all messages flagged as coming from open relays. But the mail
> admins refuse to drop such mail at the MTA level alas.

v2.1

> 2. How would I write a regular expression in Mailman Privacy options
> to trap Korean characters in the subject line, use of 8 bit ASCII
> characters, or even all subjects containing ? (Capital A umlaut) would
> be sufficient.

[^A-Z^0-9^~^!^@^#^\$^%^\^^\*^$^$^_^\+^,^\^.^/^\\^:^;^\'^\"]?

> 4. Does anywhere collect and share good anti-spam regular expressions
> ?

There have been some posted to the Mailman lists. As you collect them it
would be nice to add them to the FAQ at:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py 

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Tue May 14 19:39:46 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn?= Nettingsmeier)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 19:39:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie - many questions and ideas but mostly how to 
 kill the SPAM
References: <3CE135B7.40D557EE@wretched.demon.co.uk> <16714.1021396239@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <3CE14BE2.9647C206@folkwang-hochschule.de>

J C Lawrence wrote:
> 

> > 2. How would I write a regular expression in Mailman Privacy options
> > to trap Korean characters in the subject line, use of 8 bit ASCII
> > characters, or even all subjects containing ? (Capital A umlaut) would
> > be sufficient.
> 
> [^A-Z^0-9^~^!^@^#^\$^%^\^^\*^$^$^_^\+^,^\^.^/^\\^:^;^\'^\"]?

while we're at it, sometimes wrong charsets are in this =20=FE=XY
encoding, and you won't catch those with this filter. 
i tried  Subject:.*(=..){3,}  , but it ate all messages (with old python
1.5). is anyone using similar repetitive expressions successfully ?


--
Watch out where the huskies go and don't you eat
the yellow snow !
	- Frank Zappa




From support at obantec.net  Tue May 14 19:36:57 2002
From: support at obantec.net (Support)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:36:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist for virtual host
References: <191a01c1fb66$4c43eb00$0a01a8c0@gamma> <20020514095544.710971ca.raquel@thericehouse.net>
Message-ID: <194501c1fb6d$f53f2dd0$0a01a8c0@gamma>

Hi

Only problem with that is when you create and don't suppress the admin email
then the admin gets wrong url and addresses.

Mark

----- Original Message -----
From: "Raquel Rice" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Newlist for virtual host


> On Tue, 14 May 2002 17:42:07 +0100
> Support "Support"  wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > When i run newlist it does not prompt for which virtual_domain the
> > list is
> > for.
> > I am using VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW=1 but it creates the lists under
> > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME with
> > DEFAULT_URL
> >
> > Looks like another hack needed to make it useable under virtual
> > domains.
> >
> > Mark
>
> Mark,
>
> I was confused by that at first too.  However, going to "General
> Options", "Host name this list prefers" and the following question,
> you can change the virtual host for an individual list.
>
> --
> Raquel
> ============================================================
> Be yourself. Who else is better qualified?
>   --Frank J. Giblin II
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From mauricel at ux.cegep-heritage.qc.ca  Tue May 14 19:40:07 2002
From: mauricel at ux.cegep-heritage.qc.ca (Maurice Lafleur)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:40:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weekly digest
Message-ID: <3CE14BF7.5A5C8B31@ux.cegep-heritage.qc.ca>

I have been using MM  2.0.8 for a coupleof months now and aI am very
satisfied with it.

I have 2 questions:

1- I haven't found the way to make a list send its digest weekly instead
of daily. Is this an option or is it fixed?

2- When is 2.1 coming out?

Thanks,

Maurice





From claw at kanga.nu  Tue May 14 20:01:45 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:01:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie - many questions and ideas but mostly how to kill the SPAM 
In-Reply-To: Message from =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn?= Nettingsmeier  
   of "Tue, 14 May 2002 19:39:46 +0200." <3CE14BE2.9647C206@folkwang-hochschule.de> 
References: <3CE135B7.40D557EE@wretched.demon.co.uk> <16714.1021396239@kanga.nu>  <3CE14BE2.9647C206@folkwang-hochschule.de> 
Message-ID: <18154.1021399305@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 14 May 2002 19:39:46 +0200 
nettings   wrote:

> ...sometimes wrong charsets are in this =20=FE=XY encoding...

ie Quoted-printable

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From simon at titanic.co.uk  Tue May 14 21:07:37 2002
From: simon at titanic.co.uk (Simon Faulkner)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 20:07:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner lock
Message-ID: 

Hmmm,

My lists stopped last night.

This was in the qrunner log:

May 14 16:29:01 2002 (11337) Could not acquire qrunner lock

I have upgraded to Python 2.2.1

Downloaded, configured, make install, mailman-2.0.10

And I still get the error.

I have removed all the files from

/home/mailman/qfiles

and 

/home/mailman/locks

and it seems OK but what could the cause be?


Simon






From jim.millard at pioneer-pdt.com  Tue May 14 21:18:08 2002
From: jim.millard at pioneer-pdt.com (Jim Millard)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:18:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RH 73 & Mailman
In-Reply-To: <1021396408.3ce145b901f26@halemail.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: 

Jim,
Thank you for your response. I had overlooked the README.REDHAT.
Having done that I am still confused.
Mailman sent me a message telling me to administer my test list at this URL
http://jupiter/mailman/admin/test (This should point to
/var/mailman/cgi-bin/admin/test)
I have the include in the httpd.conf file and restarted apache.

There is just no file there as /var/mailman/cgi-bin/admin is a script not a
directory.

Is this an error in the message? I don't think so as trying the call by
replacing
the last "/" with a space to make "test" and argument to the script does not
work either.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you all.

--
Regards,
Jim Millard
Sr. Software Engineer
Pioneer Digital Technologies, Inc.
==============================================
I think they used to call them transistor units.
Montgomery - Scott Stardate 3131.9

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Jim Hale
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 10:13 AM
To: Jim Millard
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] RH 73 & Mailman


Everything's there - works fine for me. It doesn't actually store the lists
under html (I don't think) - did you do ALL the configuration? There's
aliasing
going on in the httpd.conf file to point to the mailman stuff even though
it's
not physically located under the html folder. Check the RPM info for a
step-by-
step what to do.

Jim Hale
---
Jim & Kathy's Website Collection
http://hale.dyndns.org



Quoting Jim Millard :

> Did RH leave something out of their distribution?
> I have installed the Mailman that comes on their disks.
> When I create a new list, no proper links to the list are set.
> I set my domain in the mm_cfg.py file and get a proper looking URL
> in the notification message. I just get a 404 as there is no
> mailman dir under /var/www/html (the main directory for apache under RH.)
>
> --
> Regards,
> Jim Millard
> Sr. Software Engineer
> Pioneer Digital Technologies, Inc.
> ==============================================
> I think they used to call them transistor units.
> Montgomery - Scott Stardate 3131.9
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>


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From jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org  Tue May 14 21:38:44 2002
From: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org (Jim Hale)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:38:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RH 73 & Mailman
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1021405124.3ce167c4d3f01@halemail.dyndns.org>

Lemmie check on that when I get home (in about 3 hours) - if you don't get a 
better response by then, I'll check my config files. :)

All I know is that I WAS running Redhat 7.2, installed Postfix, Mailman etc 
manually and then redid the machine using 7.3 (which had all NEWER versions of 
the same programs) - since I had just done the configs a week before with the 
older versions, it only took me about 15 mins to get everything back up and 
going again and I flew thru them since I decided to do the RH 7.3 install from 
scratch and not an upgrade.

Jim Hale
---
Jim & Kathy's Website Collection
http://hale.dyndns.org



Quoting Jim Millard :

> Jim,
> Thank you for your response. I had overlooked the README.REDHAT.
> Having done that I am still confused.
> Mailman sent me a message telling me to administer my test list at this URL
> http://jupiter/mailman/admin/test (This should point to
> /var/mailman/cgi-bin/admin/test)
> I have the include in the httpd.conf file and restarted apache.
> 
> There is just no file there as /var/mailman/cgi-bin/admin is a script not a
> directory.
> 
> Is this an error in the message? I don't think so as trying the call by
> replacing
> the last "/" with a space to make "test" and argument to the script does
> not
> work either.
> 
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.
> Thank you all.
> 
> --
> Regards,
> Jim Millard
> Sr. Software Engineer
> Pioneer Digital Technologies, Inc.
> ==============================================
> I think they used to call them transistor units.
> Montgomery - Scott Stardate 3131.9
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Jim Hale
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 10:13 AM
> To: Jim Millard
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] RH 73 & Mailman
> 
> 
> Everything's there - works fine for me. It doesn't actually store the lists
> under html (I don't think) - did you do ALL the configuration? There's
> aliasing
> going on in the httpd.conf file to point to the mailman stuff even though
> it's
> not physically located under the html folder. Check the RPM info for a
> step-by-
> step what to do.
> 
> Jim Hale
> ---
> Jim & Kathy's Website Collection
> http://hale.dyndns.org
> 
> 
> 
> Quoting Jim Millard :
> 
> > Did RH leave something out of their distribution?
> > I have installed the Mailman that comes on their disks.
> > When I create a new list, no proper links to the list are set.
> > I set my domain in the mm_cfg.py file and get a proper looking URL
> > in the notification message. I just get a 404 as there is no
> > mailman dir under /var/www/html (the main directory for apache under RH.)
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Jim Millard
> > Sr. Software Engineer
> > Pioneer Digital Technologies, Inc.
> > ==============================================
> > I think they used to call them transistor units.
> > Montgomery - Scott Stardate 3131.9
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> >
> 
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From jim.millard at pioneer-pdt.com  Tue May 14 21:55:20 2002
From: jim.millard at pioneer-pdt.com (Jim Millard)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:55:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RH 73 & Mailman
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Resolved.
I had the Include in the httpd.conf file in the wrong place.
All is well with the Mailman now.
Thank you all.

--
Regards,
Jim Millard
Sr. Software Engineer
Pioneer Digital Technologies, Inc.
==============================================
I think they used to call them transistor units.
Montgomery - Scott Stardate 3131.9

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Millard [mailto:jim.millard at pioneer-pdt.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 12:18 PM
To: Jim Hale; Jim Millard
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] RH 73 & Mailman


Jim,
Thank you for your response. I had overlooked the README.REDHAT.
Having done that I am still confused.
Mailman sent me a message telling me to administer my test list at this URL
http://jupiter/mailman/admin/test (This should point to
/var/mailman/cgi-bin/admin/test)
I have the include in the httpd.conf file and restarted apache.

There is just no file there as /var/mailman/cgi-bin/admin is a script not a
directory.

Is this an error in the message? I don't think so as trying the call by
replacing
the last "/" with a space to make "test" and argument to the script does not
work either.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you all.

--
Regards,
Jim Millard
Sr. Software Engineer
Pioneer Digital Technologies, Inc.
==============================================
I think they used to call them transistor units.
Montgomery - Scott Stardate 3131.9

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Jim Hale
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 10:13 AM
To: Jim Millard
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] RH 73 & Mailman


Everything's there - works fine for me. It doesn't actually store the lists
under html (I don't think) - did you do ALL the configuration? There's
aliasing
going on in the httpd.conf file to point to the mailman stuff even though
it's
not physically located under the html folder. Check the RPM info for a
step-by-
step what to do.

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Quoting Jim Millard :

> Did RH leave something out of their distribution?
> I have installed the Mailman that comes on their disks.
> When I create a new list, no proper links to the list are set.
> I set my domain in the mm_cfg.py file and get a proper looking URL
> in the notification message. I just get a 404 as there is no
> mailman dir under /var/www/html (the main directory for apache under RH.)
>
> --
> Regards,
> Jim Millard
> Sr. Software Engineer
> Pioneer Digital Technologies, Inc.
> ==============================================
> I think they used to call them transistor units.
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From SharkeyS at pediatrics.ohio-state.edu  Tue May 14 22:27:16 2002
From: SharkeyS at pediatrics.ohio-state.edu (Sharkey, Scott)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:27:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change localhost.localdomain in /mailman/listinfo header?
Message-ID: <1366FE962DB3D311B8DA00A0C9EA0484021706E1@RESMS01>

Hi All,

I've managed to successfully install Mailman and configure it
to work with Postfix virtual domains.  One part seems to have
me stumped, however.  In the /mailman/listinfo and /mailman/admin
pages, there is a link that says 

"questions to mailman-owner at localhost.localdomain"

or something like that.  WHERE do I change that localhost.localdomain?
I've grepped for that string, and it only appears in Defaults.py, but
I have overridden that in mm_cfg.py, yet it persists.  It's not
list-specific - I think it's part of "MM-Subscribe-Start" or some
thing like that in the listinfo.html template.

Any suggestions would be welcomed!

Thanks

--
Scott Sharkey, Sr. Developer
Document Management System
Children's Research Institute
 




From support at obantec.net  Tue May 14 22:45:45 2002
From: support at obantec.net (Support)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 21:45:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change localhost.localdomain in /mailman/listinfo header?
References: <1366FE962DB3D311B8DA00A0C9EA0484021706E1@RESMS01>
Message-ID: <1b2701c1fb88$55b84bf0$0a01a8c0@gamma>

Hi

I think you will find you need to use
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME   = 'your_domain_here.net'
in mm_ cfg.py (add at last section as per comments in that file.)

I however have hacked admin and listinfo to show
mailman-owner at virtual-domain.xyz
Just a few more bits to tidy up but mailman is getting close to my solution
to virtual list.

Mark

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To: 
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Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change localhost.localdomain in /mailman/listinfo
header?


> Hi All,
>
> I've managed to successfully install Mailman and configure it
> to work with Postfix virtual domains.  One part seems to have
> me stumped, however.  In the /mailman/listinfo and /mailman/admin
> pages, there is a link that says
>
> "questions to mailman-owner at localhost.localdomain"
>
> or something like that.  WHERE do I change that localhost.localdomain?
> I've grepped for that string, and it only appears in Defaults.py, but
> I have overridden that in mm_cfg.py, yet it persists.  It's not
> list-specific - I think it's part of "MM-Subscribe-Start" or some
> thing like that in the listinfo.html template.
>
> Any suggestions would be welcomed!
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Scott Sharkey, Sr. Developer
> Document Management System
> Children's Research Institute
>
>
>
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From jpenner at nisa.net  Mon May 13 21:55:14 2002
From: jpenner at nisa.net (Jamie Penner)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 12:55:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New High Performance Installation
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020513125216.031ba820@eposcan.nisa.net>

Hello list!

We've recently taken on a new client who has a very heavy list.    I am 
wondering if anyone can shed some feedback on whether MailMan is the right 
answer for this!   (the client is currently using ezmlm but I am trying to 
move away from that)

The list volume is approx 400,000 emails daily.   Twice a month, this will 
jump to 700,000 a day.    These will be html and text messages - outgoing only.

The hardware that this will run on is:

PIII 1.3Ghz dual CPU (512KB L2 cache), 512MB PC133 ECC Registered
(1x512), 2x18GB Ultra160 10000rpm (RAID 1 configuration), 32MB cache 
high-performance
Mylex AcceleRAID controller (A170), Tyan Thunder LE-T S2518UNG (Intel 
ServerWorks
ServerSet III chipset), CD-ROM drive, dual 100Mb/s FE, VGA, Dual-channel 
Adaptec
Ultra160 SCSI controller, 400W power supply

Is anyone familiar with a MailMan installation doing this type of volume or 
does anyone have any advice on this install.

Thanks in advance!




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Fax: 250-758-3511
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From stephen.hyland at computer-lawyer.com  Mon May 13 23:35:41 2002
From: stephen.hyland at computer-lawyer.com (Stephen J. Hyland)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 16:35:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looping bug: Is it fixed?
Message-ID: 

My hosting company is running version 2.0.8. I've encountered a problem
where email sent to the administrator for the list (i.e., me) goes into a
loop that finally gets detected and killed but not before I get flooded with
copies. This only happens with the admin account, not to email sent to the
list itself.

Is this fixed in 2.1? Or in a subsequent patch? Or is this an error on my
part.

Thanks
Stephen





From mike at icon.co.za  Tue May 14 07:57:54 2002
From: mike at icon.co.za (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 07:57:54 +0200 (SAST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.2.2.20020513225853.00b7f160@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
Message-ID: 

Why not use Majordomo then??? You seem to like it a lot

Mike

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On Mon, 13 May 2002, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote:

> 	Well bully for you.  Its just fine that you like it.  I like it as well
> just wish that it was not such a pain in the butt to do anything other than
> the EXACT way the programmers dictate that they be done.  The fact is that
> the software is nit flexible at all.  If you know anything about
> programming other than being able to spout technobabble you will know what
> I mean by that and that I am 100% accurate in saying it.
> 	Keep in mind that pure numbers has no relation what so ever with quality
> or anything else.  If such a relationship did exist then AOL would be the
> best software ever to hit the net and cockroaches would be the most
> intelligent species on the face of the Earth.
> 	Mailman is not even close to as flexible and easy to use as
> Majordomo.  You don't have to worry about all these FORCED "options" that
> Mailman has.  You don't have to keep track of all kinds of web pages that
> are not even needed to run a mailing list.  You don't have to hack your
> system every time you want to set up a list option.  All you need to do is
> set a single config file and run your list spam free for years.
> 	Of course if you are a anal retentive power junkie who has to feel like
> you control aspect of a simple mailing list (as if was ever making any
> difference to the operations thereof) you can add all these absurd FORCED
> passwords, headers, queues of unrequested mail, etc.  You don't have to put
> up with any of that sort of junk with majordomo.  (BTW the hack you
> suggested in the FAQ is asinine.  It also deletes all subscription requests
> from making it to the admin.  Your suggestions is akin to suggesting that
> one burn down their house because a light bulb is burnt out.
> 	If the programmers are so thin skinned that they cannot handle someone
> pointing out shortcoming in heir code then they need to find other
> work.  It comes with the territory.  When you release code you will get
> feedback that with at least some frequency does not gloss over everything
> and pretend that the said code is absolutely perfect.
>
> :)
> Enjoy!
>
>
>
> At 10:49 PM 5/13/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>  >Many of us love Mailman, and have been using it for what it was designed
>  >for, with whatever assumptions the developer(s) had in mind, for quite some
>  >time.
>  >
>  >Considering that the software is Open Source, and that the developer(s) has
>  >not charged you for it's use, or the owners/administrators of the server you
>  >are using, you've got quite a damn good deal!
>  >
>  >I suppose you could learn some programming and develop your own list that
>  >works perfectly for you, and you could ASS-U-ME for only your needs, and no
>  >one elses.  Or you could use any one of the other commercial programs that
>  >are available, and pay some big bucks to do so.  You might even get exactly
>  >what you want, too.
>  >
>  >As far as comparing Mailman to Majordomo, Mailman in my opinion is way
>  >superior.  But you do have options.  You could find a hosting company that
>  >offers Majordomo.  It's a pain, I know,  but then, that might be easier for
>  >you in the long run, and then the developers who offered this software for
>  >no cost and made it available to you and your server's owner wouldn't need
>  >to read silly words that are in effect, insulting.
>  >
>  >Perhaps the biggest Ass is, in fact, you.
>  >
>  >> 	Herein lies the rub with the mailman program.  The
>  >> programmers ASS-U-ME
>  >> that everyone using the software as full access to the server on which it
>  >> is run.  Many users have this in a shared server environment and these
>  >> "wonderful" patches to make up for short comings in the software
>  >> are not an
>  >> alternative.  The software basically is not too bad.  The fact there is
>  >> very little that a list owner can set up to his liking without hacking a
>  >> lot of places is troubling.  All of this type of things should
>  >> not even be
>  >> an issue.  There should be options in the admin interface to
>  >> handle all of
>  >> this.  Majordomo is SO simple and straight forward.  All you do is set a
>  >> single config file and bang you are on the way.  With this you
>  >> have to hack
>  >> here to fix this and there to fix that so that eventually you
>  >> have no clue
>  >> what all has ben done!
>  >> 	The 'fix' you offer me for this question is not a fix at
>  >> all.  It is
>  >> merely a cover up.  The messages are still queued up and stored.
>  >> All that
>  >> happens is that a cron job nukes them.  Heck bounced messages should NOT
>  >> default to being stored anyway.  You should have to enable it if you want
>  >> it.  The whole purpose of closing a list is to not get crap mail that you
>  >> dont want.  If I wanted to have to approve mail i would have set it up to
>  >> be moderated.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> At 10:05 AM 5/14/2002 +0800, Lewis Lau wrote:
>  >>  >
>  >>  >Hey man,
>  >>  >
>  >>  >Read the FAQ! Topic on: How do I automatically delete held messages?
>  >>  >
>  >>  >Lewis
>  >>  >
>  >>  >At 06:18 PM 5/13/02 -0400, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote:
>  >>  >>I have my list closed so that only subscribers can post.  I
>  >> keep getting
>  >>  >>these emails each time a non-subscriber tries to post saying
>  >> that I have
>  >>  >>to go approve or reject the post.  Hey guess what, I made it closed
>  >>  >>because I DONT want these posts.  Go figure!  So tell me how
>  >> do I make it
>  >>  >>stop sending me these emails and adding all of these tasks to an admin
>  >>  >>queue when it is blatantly obvious that I dont want the posts
>  >> in the first
>  >>  >>place.  if I did i would not have closed the list.
>  >>  >
>  >>  >
>  >>  >
>  >>  >
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>  >>  >
>  >>  >
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
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From andrew.wilson at ast.co.za  Tue May 14 05:43:38 2002
From: andrew.wilson at ast.co.za (Andrew Wilson)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 05:43:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman
Message-ID: <002c01c1faf9$894b78f0$8a6410ac@abraxas365.com>

Hi

I would like to say that I think Mailman is a great utility!
I would like to extract the user names and passwords for a particular list,
how do I do this?

Regards,
Andrew



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From dik at buckosoft.com  Tue May 14 11:22:13 2002
From: dik at buckosoft.com (Dick Balaska)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 05:22:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie: 2.0.10 not creating lists correctly?
Message-ID: <3CE0D745.F5EC79D0@buckosoft.com>

Hi ho,

I am trying to love mailman.

First i had to upgrade python, i'm sticking w/my old gcc and libc5.
> Python 2.2.1 (#1, May  9 2002, 18:12:32) 
> [GCC egcs-2.90.29 980515 (egcs-1.0.3 release)] on linux2

mailman 2.0.10

./configure --prefix=/home/mailman --with-var-prefix=/var/mailman --with-cgi-gid=web
--with-cgi-gid=nogroup 

oh, and i'm using qmail.

So when i type `newlist test` i get a symlink created to nowhere.  Is that correct?
/var/mailman/archives/public/test -> /var/mailman/archives/private/test

I am also having qmail issues, i.e. mail sent to the list, list-admin, or list-control
goes into a black hole; but i'm guessing that this problem should be solved first.
No, that's not quite right.  Mail goes into mailman; i see 2 "pending subscription"s,
but mailman is unable to send mail out.  I see an identd to the mail target and then
a bounce line 
May 10 01:27:00 2002 (4499) Test: dik at bucko_soft.com - first
I also get a post failure, probably related to the missing private/test
May 10 01:27:00 2002 (4499) post to test from mailman-owner at duke.bucko_soft.com,
size=1321, 1 failures

Thanks
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[duke:/var/mailman/archives] ls -alR
total 4
drwxrwsr-x   4 mailman  mailman      1024 May  9 22:50 .
drwxrwsrwx  10 mailman  mailman      1024 May  9 22:50 ..
drwxrws--x   4 mailman  mailman      1024 May 11 18:24 private
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      1024 May 11 18:24 public

private:
total 4
drwxrws--x   4 mailman  mailman      1024 May 11 18:24 .
drwxrwsr-x   4 mailman  mailman      1024 May  9 22:50 ..
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      1024 May 10 01:26 test.mbox
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      1024 May 11 18:24 test1.mbox

private/test.mbox:
total 2
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      1024 May 10 01:26 .
drwxrws--x   4 mailman  mailman      1024 May 11 18:24 ..

private/test1.mbox:
total 2
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      1024 May 11 18:24 .
drwxrws--x   4 mailman  mailman      1024 May 11 18:24 ..

public:
total 2
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      1024 May 11 18:24 .
drwxrwsr-x   4 mailman  mailman      1024 May  9 22:50 ..
lrwxrwxrwx   1 mailman  mailman        34 May 10 01:26 test ->
/var/mailman/archives/private/test
lrwxrwxrwx   1 mailman  mailman        39 May 10 01:26 test.mbox ->
/var/mailman/archives/private/test.mbox
lrwxrwxrwx   1 mailman  mailman        35 May 11 18:24 test1 ->
/var/mailman/archives/private/test1
lrwxrwxrwx   1 mailman  mailman        40 May 11 18:24 test1.mbox ->
/var/mailman/archives/private/test1.mbox
[duke:/var/mailman/archives] 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From vodka at intoxicate.us  Wed May 15 00:45:34 2002
From: vodka at intoxicate.us (vodka at intoxicate.us)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 17:45:34 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending users
Message-ID: <2047.192.168.1.2.1021416334.squirrel@www.asper.org>

Hi,

I installed mailman and everything seems to work fine up until a user gets
the confirmation message.  After that, mailman puts the person into a
"pending" status.    Unfortunately this status doesn't get updated and users
won't get subscribed to the list.

I've tried almost everything, and I can't come up with a solution.  In
administration -- privacy setings, I selected "confirm".  There might be a
permissions problem, because when I do chmod -R a+rwx /home/mailman the
pending status turns into "new" in the subscribe log, and users get their
welcome email.  But when I do that, everything breaks and mailman says it
encountered a bug.

Does anyone know what's wrong? Any help is greatly appreciated.






From haroldp at sierraweb.com  Wed May 15 00:44:13 2002
From: haroldp at sierraweb.com (Harold Paulson)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:44:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner lock
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

Simon,

That is not an error, as such.  You get that notice in your qrunner 
log whenever qrunner starts up and finds that there is already 
another qrunner process running, by virtue of the fact that there is 
a lock in ~mailman/locks/.  Now ~mailman/qfiles is where emails and 
such live, so if you deleted those...

	- H

>Hmmm,
>
>My lists stopped last night.
>
>This was in the qrunner log:
>
>May 14 16:29:01 2002 (11337) Could not acquire qrunner lock
>
>I have upgraded to Python 2.2.1
>
>Downloaded, configured, make install, mailman-2.0.10
>
>And I still get the error.
>
>I have removed all the files from
>
>/home/mailman/qfiles
>
>and
>
>/home/mailman/locks
>
>and it seems OK but what could the cause be?
>
>
>Simon


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From vodka at intoxicate.us  Wed May 15 01:27:02 2002
From: vodka at intoxicate.us (vodka at intoxicate.us)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:27:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending users
In-Reply-To: <2047.192.168.1.2.1021416334.squirrel@www.asper.org>
References: <2047.192.168.1.2.1021416334.squirrel@www.asper.org>
Message-ID: <2785.192.168.1.2.1021418822.squirrel@www.asper.org>

One more thing.  I do get some errors; my error log says:

May 14 17:00:01 2002 gate_news(27538): Traceback (most recent call last):
May 14 17:00:01 2002 gate_news(27538):   File
"/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
May 14 17:00:01 2002 gate_news(27538):      main()
May 14 17:00:01 2002 gate_news(27538):   File
"/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main
May 14 17:00:01 2002 gate_news(27538):      process_lists(lock)
May 14 17:00:01 2002 gate_news(27538):   File
"/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 140, in process_lists
May 14 17:00:01 2002 gate_news(27538):      mlist =
MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
May 14 17:00:01 2002 gate_news(27538):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
May 14 17:00:01 2002 gate_news(27538):      self.Load()
May 14 17:00:01 2002 gate_news(27538):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 892, in Load
May 14 17:00:01 2002 gate_news(27538):      dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
May 14 17:00:01 2002 gate_news(27538):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 869, in __load
May 14 17:00:01 2002 gate_news(27538):      fp = open(dbfile)
May 14 17:00:01 2002 gate_news(27538): IOError :  [Errno 13] Permission
denied: '/home/mailman/lists/testlist/config.db'

Some other info:

% ls -la /home/mailman/lists/testlist/config.db
-rw-rw----  1 nobody  mailman  2853 May 14 16:44
/home/mailman/lists/testlist/config.db



> Hi,
>
> I installed mailman and everything seems to work fine up until a user
> gets the confirmation message.  After that, mailman puts the person
> into a "pending" status.    Unfortunately this status doesn't get
> updated and users won't get subscribed to the list.
>
> I've tried almost everything, and I can't come up with a solution.  In
> administration -- privacy setings, I selected "confirm".  There might
> be a permissions problem, because when I do chmod -R a+rwx
> /home/mailman the pending status turns into "new" in the subscribe log,
> and users get their welcome email.  But when I do that, everything
> breaks and mailman says it encountered a bug.
>
> Does anyone know what's wrong? Any help is greatly appreciated.
>







From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed May 15 01:31:10 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 17:31:10 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending users
References: <2047.192.168.1.2.1021416334.squirrel@www.asper.org> <2785.192.168.1.2.1021418822.squirrel@www.asper.org>
Message-ID: <3CE19E3E.1A1D93B8@pcraft.com>

vodka at intoxicate.us wrote:

> May 14 17:00:01 2002 gate_news(27538): IOError :  [Errno 13] Permission
> denied: '/home/mailman/lists/testlist/config.db'
>
> % ls -la /home/mailman/lists/testlist/config.db
> -rw-rw----  1 nobody  mailman  2853 May 14 16:44
> /home/mailman/lists/testlist/config.db

> > be a permissions problem, because when I do chmod -R a+rwx
> > /home/mailman the pending status turns into "new" in the subscribe log,
> > and users get their welcome email.  But when I do that, everything
> > breaks and mailman says it encountered a bug.

    - You shouldn't be chmodding things +rwx...
    - Your permissions are wrong from what these errors tell me.  Either your
crontask runs as a completely different user than what your directories are
owned by, or mailman itself can't write in those directories...a whole bunch of
things could be wrong here.

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From vodka at intoxicate.us  Wed May 15 01:49:02 2002
From: vodka at intoxicate.us (vodka at intoxicate.us)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:49:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending users
In-Reply-To: <3CE19E3E.1A1D93B8@pcraft.com>
References: <3CE19E3E.1A1D93B8@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <2949.192.168.1.2.1021420142.squirrel@www.asper.org>

>    - You shouldn't be chmodding things +rwx...

I know that, but that is the only way to find out if this is indeed a
permissions problem.

>    - Your permissions are wrong from what these errors tell me.  Either
>    your
> crontask runs as a completely different user than what your directories
> are owned by, or mailman itself can't write in those directories...a
> whole bunch of things could be wrong here.

All files under /home/mailman are owned by user mailman and group mailman.
User mailman's crontab is what it should be.  The permissions for config.db
are -rw-rw----.  I ran check_perms -f which reports no problems.







From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed May 15 01:46:37 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 17:46:37 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending users
References: <3CE19E3E.1A1D93B8@pcraft.com> <2949.192.168.1.2.1021420142.squirrel@www.asper.org>
Message-ID: <3CE1A1DC.D64D9A06@pcraft.com>

vodka at intoxicate.us wrote:

> All files under /home/mailman are owned by user mailman and group mailman.

    Not according to your own email earlier...  It showed they're owned by
nobody.mailman....

--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner    .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.







From vodka at intoxicate.us  Wed May 15 02:22:22 2002
From: vodka at intoxicate.us (vodka at intoxicate.us)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 19:22:22 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending users
In-Reply-To: <3CE1A1DC.D64D9A06@pcraft.com>
References: <3CE1A1DC.D64D9A06@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <3171.192.168.1.2.1021422142.squirrel@www.asper.org>

>    Not according to your own email earlier...  It showed they're owned
>    by
> nobody.mailman....

I changed it to mailman, but somehow it's back to nobody now.  Also I'm
getting a undelivered mail error message

Command died with status 2:
"/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist". Command output: Failure to
exec script. WANTED gid 6, GOT gid 39.  (Reconfigure to take 39?)

I configured mailman with ./configure --with-mail-gid=6 --with-cgi-gid=39,
where GID 6 is 'mail' and GID 39 is 'nobody' which apache runs as.  This
doesn't make any sense.  Do I need to change wrapper's ownership to "mail"
(GID 6)?







From kleefstr at mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca  Tue May 14 21:56:56 2002
From: kleefstr at mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca (Jessie Kleefstra)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:56:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approval from posting
Message-ID: 

We are in the process of converting all of our distibution lists to
Mailman lists. A customer has just sent me an email asking why she has
received a request to approve a posting from herself to the list when she
is the list administrator? Is there a reason why this is happening?

Thanks

-----
Jessie Kleefstra                      E-Mail: kleefstr at mcmaster.ca
Sr. Consultant, Helpdesk Services     Phone: (905) 525-9140  ext.  24357
Computing & Information Services      Fax: (905) 528-3773
ABB-132
McMaster University






From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed May 15 05:54:26 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 21:54:26 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending users
References: <3CE1A1DC.D64D9A06@pcraft.com> <3171.192.168.1.2.1021422142.squirrel@www.asper.org>
Message-ID: <3CE1DBF2.4C0EDA25@pcraft.com>

vodka at intoxicate.us wrote:

> I changed it to mailman, but somehow it's back to nobody now.  Also I'm
> getting a undelivered mail error message

    Because your apache server runs as nobody...


> Command died with status 2:
> "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist". Command output: Failure to
> exec script. WANTED gid 6, GOT gid 39.  (Reconfigure to take 39?)
>
> I configured mailman with ./configure --with-mail-gid=6 --with-cgi-gid=39,
>

    --with-mail-gid=39

    Looks like your mailer runs as nobody as well.

--
H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
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  Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.






From kremels at kreme.com  Wed May 15 07:13:16 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 23:13:16 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman in OS X
Message-ID: <76711CCE-67C2-11D6-97C5-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>

I have tried to install mailman on my OS X machine (10.1.4) with Python 2.
2.  Everything seems to install just fine (no errors) after.

I was even able o create a test list per the docs and got an email in the 
right place telling me of the list.

Trouble is, I cannot access the web interface.  I assume this has to do 
with errors in the httpd.conf file.

I setup a VirtualHost directive to point to, I thought, the mailman 
directory, following the instructions in the INSTALL document:


   ServerName mailman.my-dynamic-host.tld
   Documentroot /Users/mailman/
   ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/Users/mailman/cgi-bin/"
   alias /pipermail/ /Users/mailman/Sites/archives/public/


(other virtual hosts on my machine all work, including my webmail VH for my 
squirrelmail install, so that is not the problem).

The user and group are setup to run as nobody, same as httpd

I did not set $varprefix, so both $varprefix and $prefix should be /Users/
mailman/

The set-gid instructions seems to say that for BSD (would include OSX) the 
g+2 setting is not necessary.  However, it did install without using the 
make command in README.BSD.

bin/check_perms fails with the following error:

% bin/check_perms
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "bin/check_perms", line 281, in ?
     checkmail()
   File "bin/check_perms", line 202, in checkmail
     mode = statmode(wrapper)
   File "bin/check_perms", line 74, in statmode
     return os.stat(path)[ST_MODE]
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/Users/mailman/mail/wrapper'

Also, the ~prefix/cgi-bin/ directory is empty.

This is the stable build of mailman-2.0.10.

I tried enabling all options with a .htaccess file, but that merely let me 
load the ~mailman/Sites directory.

I built with:

% ./configure --prefix=/Users/mailman --with-cgi-gid=nobody
% make install

as I said, no errors.

--
You are responsible for your rose.





From claw at kanga.nu  Wed May 15 09:04:41 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 00:04:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approval from posting 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jessie Kleefstra  
   of "Tue, 14 May 2002 15:56:56 EDT."  
References:  
Message-ID: <30461.1021446281@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 14 May 2002 15:56:56 -0400 (EDT) 
Jessie Kleefstra  wrote:

> We are in the process of converting all of our distibution lists to
> Mailman lists. A customer has just sent me an email asking why she has
> received a request to approve a posting from herself to the list when
> she is the list administrator? Is there a reason why this is
> happening?

She isn't listed as a member of the list and she has the list closed to
posts from non-members.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From WSpivak at sbanetweb.com  Wed May 15 12:44:40 2002
From: WSpivak at sbanetweb.com (Wayne Spivak)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 06:44:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Really need help on Stuck Approvals of Moderated List
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.2.2.20020514122107.00b55a30@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
Message-ID: <02f901c1fbfd$8440ee30$1900a8c0@PRESIDENT>

Every day  more e-mail is getting stuck in one of our moderated lists.

I've updated MM to 2.0.10.

I'm using Python 1.5.2

If the number of e-mails is under 5 or so, MM works fine.  If it goes
over, it chokes.

How do I:

A) fix the problem from the beginning or
B) re-created the request.db so I can move out files from /mailman/data
and re-run the approval process chunk by chunk

Thank you.






From david.proffitt at itn.co.uk  Wed May 15 14:01:06 2002
From: david.proffitt at itn.co.uk (David Proffitt)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:01:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does everything except send mail
Message-ID: <20020515130106.A20160@itn.co.uk>

Hello

I am running Mailman version 2.0.10 under Solaris 8 with qmail as MTA

Mailman seems to be able to do everything except send mail
 
- if I run newlist the list gets created OK but the message to the administrator is never sent 
- if I try to subscribe to a list I don't get the confirmation message 
- if I post to a moderated list the message shows up in the pending list but if I approve or reject the post no message is generated 

No attempt to send these messages shows up in the mail logs

The host can send mail (via MUA or direct injection) generated by other processes

I'm assuming its some problem with the wrapper that passes the mail on to the MTA? 

Any thoughts appreciated

David


FYI ...


$ cat logs/bounce
May 14 16:38:25 2002 (21985) Oranges: david.proffitt at itn.co.uk - first
May 14 16:39:17 2002 (22235) Apples: david.proffitt at itn.co.uk - first
May 14 17:22:02 2002 (1555) Test: david.proffitt at itn.co.uk - first
May 14 17:26:12 2002 (2600) Test: david.proffitt at itn.co.uk - first

$ cat logs/error

$ cat logs/post
May 14 16:38:25 2002 (21985) post to oranges from mailman-owner at lists.itn.co.uk, size=1321, 1 failures
May 14 16:39:17 2002 (22235) post to apples from mailman-owner at lists.itn.co.uk, size=1317, 1 failures
May 14 17:22:02 2002 (1555) post to test from mailman-owner at lists.itn.co.uk, size=1309, 1 failures
May 14 17:26:12 2002 (2600) post to test from test-request at lists.itn.co.uk, size=759, 1 failures

$ cat logs/smtp
May 14 16:33:05 2002 (20850) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.107 seconds
May 14 16:38:25 2002 (21985) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.273 seconds
May 14 16:39:17 2002 (22235) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.108 seconds
May 14 17:22:02 2002 (1555) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.130 seconds
May 14 17:26:12 2002 (2600) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.137 seconds


==========================================
David Proffitt, UNIX SysAdmin/Developer
Independent Television News Ltd
david.proffitt at itn.co.uk
==========================================  




From avbidder at fortytwo.ch  Wed May 15 14:06:14 2002
From: avbidder at fortytwo.ch (Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder)
Date: 15 May 2002 14:06:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does everything except send mail
In-Reply-To: <20020515130106.A20160@itn.co.uk>
References: <20020515130106.A20160@itn.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1021464374.7916.128.camel@atlas>

On Wed, 2002-05-15 at 14:01, David Proffitt wrote:
> Hello
> 
> I am running Mailman version 2.0.10 under Solaris 8 with qmail as MTA
> 
> Mailman seems to be able to do everything except send mail

Did you set up the cron job for qrunner?

Question on that: can mailman be configured to run without cron? I have
on my home system a very low traffic list, and it's a bit a cpu waste to
run a cron job when I have only 2 or 3 messages every few days.

cheers
-- vbi

-- 
I sign e-mail using OpenPGP (rfc2440) compliant software.

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From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net  Wed May 15 14:39:09 2002
From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes)
Date: 15 May 2002 05:39:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approval from posting
In-Reply-To: 
	
References: 
	
Message-ID: <1021466350.17178.26.camel@galileo.carola.lan>

On Tue, 2002-05-14 at 12:56, Jessie Kleefstra wrote:
> 
> We are in the process of converting all of our distibution lists to
> Mailman lists. A customer has just sent me an email asking why she has
> received a request to approve a posting from herself to the list when she
> is the list administrator? Is there a reason why this is happening?

Jessie,
There are many possible causes for the problem you describe. You may
want to have her read the "GNU Mailman List Management Guide v 2.0". It
should answer most of her questions.

http://www.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html

-- 
Mike Noyes 
http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
http://leaf-project.org/





From david.proffitt at itn.co.uk  Wed May 15 14:56:15 2002
From: david.proffitt at itn.co.uk (David Proffitt)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:56:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does everything except send mail
Message-ID: <20020515135615.B20160@itn.co.uk>

> Did you set up the cron job for qrunner?

Yes

# Retry failed deliveries once per minute.
* * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner

I sent a new message to the test list and two files appeared in
/usr/local/mailman/qfiles

$ ls -l qfiles/
total 2
-rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman       240 May 15 13:25 85e58fd1a150548722296ec64a8a3ad1aa76680f.db
-rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman       579 May 15 13:25 85e58fd1a150548722296ec64a8a3ad1aa76680f.msg

I went to the admin interface and the post apeared - I rejected it

A few minutes later the files had gone so it looks like qrunner is processing
the queue ok

I didn't get the rejection message but I now have some different error messages ...


$ cat logs/bounce
May 15 13:34:39 2002 (23893) Test: david.proffitt at itn.co.uk - 0 more allowed over 359493 secs
May 15 13:36:03 2002 (24201) Test: david.proffitt at itn.co.uk - 0 more allowed over 359409 secs
May 15 13:37:01 2002 (24424) Test: david.proffitt at itn.co.uk - 0 more allowed over 359351 secs
May 15 13:37:02 2002 (24424) Test: david.proffitt at itn.co.uk - 0 more allowed over 359350 secs


$ cat logs/vette
May 15 13:24:02 2002 (21596) Test post from david.proffitt at itn.co.uk held: Post
to moderated list
May 15 13:25:03 2002 (21826) test: Refused posting:
        From: david.proffitt at itn.co.uk
        Subject: testttt
        Reason: Your message has been deemed inappropriate by the moderator.
May 15 13:36:03 2002 (24201) Test post from david.proffitt at itn.co.uk held: Post
to moderated list
May 15 13:36:32 2002 (24320) test: Refused posting:
        From: david.proffitt at itn.co.uk
        Subject: test 5567
        Reason: Your message has been deemed inappropriate by the moderator.


David




From the.dude at softhome.net  Wed May 15 14:55:31 2002
From: the.dude at softhome.net (Gregory Bouckhuyt)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 14:55:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending subscription
Message-ID: <3CE25AC3.8090305@softhome.net>

Hello,

I'm running mailman-2.0.8 on a woody and it seems that a user has 
subscribed with a wrong email address. Mailman's logs tell me this 
address subscription is pending and I can see mails going from the 
list's admin address to the pending one. Is there a way to configure the 
number of times mailman tries it, or can I stop it manually?

Thanks in advance,

Greg





From claw at kanga.nu  Wed May 15 09:03:00 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 00:03:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New High Performance Installation 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jamie Penner  
   of "Mon, 13 May 2002 12:55:14 PDT." <5.1.0.14.2.20020513125216.031ba820@eposcan.nisa.net> 
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020513125216.031ba820@eposcan.nisa.net> 
Message-ID: <30418.1021446180@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 13 May 2002 12:55:14 -0700 
Jamie Penner  wrote:

> The list volume is approx 400,000 emails daily.  Twice a month, this
> will jump to 700,000 a day.  These will be html and text messages -
> outgoing only.

Let's be a little more clear as to what numbers these are:

  How many subscribers?

  How many messages sent to the list for broadcast (not how many the
  list will send, but how many sent TO the list)?

I doubt you wish to send 400K messages to each of your subscribers.
I suspect that you have 400K subscribers etc.

Notes:

  Recommend Mailman 2.1beta instead of 2.0.10.

  Your MTA will be the source of your performance problems.  Spend your
  time there.  Carefully.  MTA and system tuning is a careful and
  detailed process.  Read the FAQ.  

  I'd generally recommend that you use a physically different system for
  final deliveries than the one Mailman runs on.  The easy way to do
  this is to have Mailman deliver to localhost, and then configure the
  MTA on localhost to use a smarthost.

> PIII 1.3Ghz dual CPU (512KB L2 cache), 512MB PC133 ECC Registered
> (1x512), 2x18GB Ultra160 10000rpm (RAID 1 configuration), 32MB cache
> high-performance Mylex AcceleRAID controller (A170), Tyan Thunder LE-T
> S2518UNG (Intel ServerWorks ServerSet III chipset), CD-ROM drive, dual
> 100Mb/s FE, VGA, Dual-channel Adaptec Ultra160 SCSI controller, 400W
> power supply

Add some RAM.  

Make sure that /var/spool is mounted noatime.

If you can, dedicate a physical RAID array to /var/spool that is not
shared with any other partitions.  

You'll need more disks to do this.

Turn of fsync in syslog.

etc etc 

> Is anyone familiar with a MailMan installation doing this type of
> volume or does anyone have any advice on this install.

Yes.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed May 15 09:03:58 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 00:03:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Andrew Wilson"  
   of "Tue, 14 May 2002 05:43:38 +0200." <002c01c1faf9$894b78f0$8a6410ac@abraxas365.com> 
References: <002c01c1faf9$894b78f0$8a6410ac@abraxas365.com> 
Message-ID: <30450.1021446238@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 14 May 2002 05:43:38 +0200 
Andrew Wilson  wrote:

> I would like to extract the user names and passwords for a particular
> list, how do I do this?

You'll need to write a withlist script.  If you don't need the
passwords, ~/bin/list_members will work fine.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From news at mailstop7.com  Wed May 15 15:32:38 2002
From: news at mailstop7.com (Kevin Crawford)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:32:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1 bounces
In-Reply-To: <3CE25AC3.8090305@softhome.net>
Message-ID: 

Hello All,
I am using 2.1b - I added a fake test user and sent some messages to the
list - seemed that logs/bounce was logging the bounces. I then removed that
user. A couple of days later, today, I added him back, as well as another
fake user. When I send messages to the list now - nothing is logged in
logs/bounce . Any ideas how to check to see if these test users are going to
get chopped? Should the bounce log be updated immediate? Anywhere else I can
check to see what is going down?

thanks,
Kevin





From jpenner at v3.ca  Wed May 15 15:46:45 2002
From: jpenner at v3.ca (Jamie Penner)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 06:46:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New High Performance Installation 
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020515064637.02fd6450@mail.v3.ca>


> > The list volume is approx 400,000 emails daily.  Twice a month, this
> > will jump to 700,000 a day.  These will be html and text messages -
> > outgoing only.

It's an outgoing list only.    There are 400K subscribers that will receive 
"a message",


>   Your MTA will be the source of your performance problems.  Spend your
>   time there.  Carefully.  MTA and system tuning is a careful and
>   detailed process.  Read the FAQ.

The intention is to use Sendmail.   Have you had better results with a 
different MTA?



>   I'd generally recommend that you use a physically different system for
>   final deliveries than the one Mailman runs on.  The easy way to do
>   this is to have Mailman deliver to localhost, and then configure the
>   MTA on localhost to use a smarthost.

I hear you.    I will work on that one.



>  Is anyone familiar with a MailMan installation doing this type of
>  volume or does anyone have any advice on this install.
>
>Yes.

Excellent!  Thanks for your advice.   I will discuss these with the client 
today as they make good sense.







From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk  Wed May 15 16:04:01 2002
From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 15 May 2002 15:04:01 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.2.2.20020514020310.02d64e08@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020513225853.00b7f160@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com> 
	<5.1.1.2.2.20020514020310.02d64e08@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
Message-ID: <1021471443.16855.26.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On Tue, 2002-05-14 at 07:06, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote:
> 	You obviously came in on the end of the conversation.


Unfortunately I have seen far too much of the conversation.

You want a billion things that aren't in Mailman.  If you really want
them you can either write them yourself, pay someone else to write them,
or maybe persuade someone to write them by dint of your eloquence. 
Haranging people just tends to make them tell you to fuck off.

Personally I have had enough and now put you on my kill list.

	Nigel.

-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham           Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ]
[ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ]





From rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net  Tue May 14 16:49:01 2002
From: rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net (Bob Weissman)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 07:49:01 -0700
Subject: Patch to suppress List-* headers on a per-list basis (was Re:
  [Mailman-Users] Help )
In-Reply-To: <8779.1021360135@kanga.nu>
References: 
 <5.1.1.2.2.20020513222958.00b5b5a0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
 <5.1.1.2.2.20020513181645.00b5e840@mail.aerosmithfanclub.co m>
 <3CDFB15B.32110.4C45800@localhost>
 <20020513113959.325cde6f.raquel@thericehouse.net>
 <4114C5FDC8297F49BC60F44C0B0B30ED8DBAEE@OAKNCCW2K03.jacobs.com>
 <5.1.1.2.2.20020513222958.00b5b5a0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020514073833.0279dc30@rlw.best.vwh.net>

At 12:08 AM 5/14/02, J C Lawrence wrote:
>> There should be options in the admin interface to handle all of this.
>
>Thankyou for your excellent analysis.  When can we expect your patch to
>add these features?
>
>> The 'fix' you offer me for this question is not a fix at all.
>
>Ahh.  When can we expect your patch to do it properly?

I have a patch for 2.0.10 which allows list owners to set, on a per-list basis, whether the List-* headers are added to each posting. I need this for the same reason as the Aerosmith guy, namely because I have several outgoing-only "newsletter" lists which I don't want users trying to self-administer.

(It took me all of a half hour to figure out how to write this patch, by the way, and I didn't even know Python when I started. I congratulate the Mailman authors on making the software flexible enough to add a new attribute to mlists, generate the adin GUI for same automagically, and make retrofitting existing lists a simple matter of using withlist.)

Anyway, the FAQ says this particular modification is frowned upon, so I didn't submit it. If people want it, I can package it up and document it. I imagine that others have also implemented this, as it's a pretty obvious change to CookHeaders.py and MailList.py. Should I submit mine? If so, where should I send it?

- Bob





From csf at incose.propagation.net  Wed May 15 16:44:55 2002
From: csf at incose.propagation.net (Cassandra Fleetwood)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 07:44:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to determine which addresses on a list a message was sent to
Message-ID: <004d01c1fc1f$151862f0$0200a8c0@SSLPphaedra>

Is there a log that shows which addresses a message was sent to?
We had a problem were duplicate messages were sent to some users while others did not receive it. I want to re-send the message, but not to all 1500 subscribers of the list. I have the .msg and .db for the original message.

Mailman-2.0.7
Apache-1.1.3
Python-1.5.2
Sendmail-8.8.5

Thanks
-Cassandra

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From claw at kanga.nu  Wed May 15 18:57:46 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:57:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New High Performance Installation 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jamie Penner  
   of "Wed, 15 May 2002 06:46:45 PDT." <5.1.0.14.2.20020515064637.02fd6450@mail.v3.ca> 
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020515064637.02fd6450@mail.v3.ca> 
Message-ID: <6483.1021481866@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 15 May 2002 06:46:45 -0700 
Jamie Penner  wrote:

>> > The list volume is approx 400,000 emails daily.  Twice a month,
>> this > will jump to 700,000 a day.  These will be html and text
>> messages - > outgoing only.

> It's an outgoing list only.  There are 400K subscribers that will
> receive "a message",



>> Your MTA will be the source of your performance problems.  Spend your
>> time there.  Carefully.  MTA and system tuning is a careful and
>> detailed process.  Read the FAQ.

> The intention is to use Sendmail.  Have you had better results with a
> different MTA?

Yes.  Sendmail is generally not a particularly good performer.  I'd
recommend Postfix at this point.  

>> Is anyone familiar with a MailMan installation doing this type of
>> volume or does anyone have any advice on this install.
 
>> Yes.

> Excellent!  Thanks for your advice.  I will discuss these with the
> client today as they make good sense.

Make sure you also read all the tuning sections of the FAQ.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed May 15 18:59:17 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:59:17 -0700
Subject: Patch to suppress List-* headers on a per-list basis (was Re: [Mailman-Users] Help ) 
In-Reply-To: Message from Bob Weissman  
   of "Tue, 14 May 2002 07:49:01 PDT." <5.1.0.14.0.20020514073833.0279dc30@rlw.best.vwh.net> 
References:  <5.1.1.2.2.20020513222958.00b5b5a0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com> <5.1.1.2.2.20020513181645.00b5e840@mail.aerosmithfanclub.co m> <3CDFB15B.32110.4C45800@localhost> <20020513113959.325cde6f.raquel@thericehouse.net> <4114C5FDC8297F49BC60F44C0B0B30ED8DBAEE@OAKNCCW2K03.jacobs.com> <5.1.1.2.2.20020513222958.00b5b5a0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>  <5.1.0.14.0.20020514073833.0279dc30@rlw.best.vwh.net> 
Message-ID: <6525.1021481957@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 14 May 2002 07:49:01 -0700 
Bob Weissman  wrote:

> Should I submit mine? 

Sure.

> If so, where should I send it?

The Mailman section at SourceForge has a patch manager.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From shawna.dufresne at maine.edu  Wed May 15 19:56:58 2002
From: shawna.dufresne at maine.edu (Shawna Dufresne)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:56:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] umbrella list
Message-ID: <000001c1fc39$e898d4b0$6887a8c0@EXTERN>

Hello,
            I need to create an umbrella list for at least 2 people
lists.  How do I create one of these?
 
Shawna
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From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net  Wed May 15 20:22:25 2002
From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes)
Date: 15 May 2002 11:22:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] umbrella list
In-Reply-To: <000001c1fc39$e898d4b0$6887a8c0@EXTERN>
References: <000001c1fc39$e898d4b0$6887a8c0@EXTERN>
Message-ID: <1021486946.17174.53.camel@galileo.carola.lan>

On Wed, 2002-05-15 at 10:56, Shawna Dufresne wrote:
> Hello,
>             I need to create an umbrella list for at least 2 people
> lists.  How do I create one of these?

Shawna,
Please read the FAQ below. If you still have questions afterward, fire
away.

3.5. What is an Umbrella list - and why doesn't it do what I want?
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.005.htp

-- 
Mike Noyes 
http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
http://leaf-project.org/





From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Wed May 15 20:37:35 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn?= Nettingsmeier)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 20:37:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron, was: Mailman does everything except send mail
References: <20020515130106.A20160@itn.co.uk> <1021464374.7916.128.camel@atlas>
Message-ID: <3CE2AAEF.7981653F@folkwang-hochschule.de>

Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote:
> 
> Question on that: can mailman be configured to run without cron? I have
> on my home system a very low traffic list, and it's a bit a cpu waste to
> run a cron job when I have only 2 or 3 messages every few days.

nettings at spunk:~ > ps uax
USER       PID %CPU %MEM   VSZ  RSS TTY      STAT START   TIME COMMAND
...
root       446  0.0  1.0  1396  476 ?        S    Feb07   0:00
/usr/sbin/cron
...

i'd say any unix system without such basic services as a cron daemon is
IMHO misconfigured, unless you have *very* special needs, such as a
special-purpose embedded system.

cron is no significant load on modern machines, and it has a small
memory footprint. the one percent memory usage you see here is of a
total of 48 megs of ram - the system is very low-spec.
you could configure it to run qrunner only every 10 minutes, but i doubt
such tweaks are worth it.


best,

j?rn




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed May 15 22:06:03 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:06:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron, was: Mailman does everything except
	send mail
In-Reply-To: <3CE2AAEF.7981653F@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Message-ID: 

On 5/15/02 11:37 AM, "J?rn Nettingsmeier" 
wrote:

> total of 48 megs of ram - the system is very low-spec.
> you could configure it to run qrunner only every 10 minutes, but i doubt
> such tweaks are worth it.


I know people who use a toothbrush to clean the grout in the tile of the
bathroom, too, but most of us don't feel the need to do that to say the
bathroom is clean...

(in other words, IMHO, it's overkill and you're 'solving' a non-problem)


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.chuqui.com/

The Cliff's Notes Cliff's Notes on Hamlet:
    And they all died happily ever after





From Gibsonha at aol.com  Wed May 15 22:17:13 2002
From: Gibsonha at aol.com (Gibsonha at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 16:17:13 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #2001 - 12 msgs
Message-ID: <94.265d642d.2a141c49@aol.com>

Please unsubscribe me from this list.

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From ctooley at phototropia.org  Wed May 15 22:45:11 2002
From: ctooley at phototropia.org (Chris Tooley)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 15:45:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable Archives
Message-ID: <3CE2C8D7.6060208@phototropia.org>

Is there a place to be able to search the mailing list archives?  I"m 
looking for some information about setting up mailman on RedHat 7.2 but 
can't spend the days digging through the archives one message at a time.

Chris Tooley





From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Wed May 15 22:51:33 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn?= Nettingsmeier)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 22:51:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable Archives
References: <3CE2C8D7.6060208@phototropia.org>
Message-ID: <3CE2CA55.CFAA2F98@folkwang-hochschule.de>

Chris Tooley wrote:
> 
> Is there a place to be able to search the mailing list archives?  I"m
> looking for some information about setting up mailman on RedHat 7.2 but
> can't spend the days digging through the archives one message at a time.
> 
> Chris Tooley

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mailman-users&r=1&w=2




From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net  Wed May 15 23:02:00 2002
From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes)
Date: 15 May 2002 14:02:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable Archives
In-Reply-To: <3CE2C8D7.6060208@phototropia.org>
References: <3CE2C8D7.6060208@phototropia.org>
Message-ID: <1021496521.17174.58.camel@galileo.carola.lan>

On Wed, 2002-05-15 at 13:45, Chris Tooley wrote:
> Is there a place to be able to search the mailing list archives?  I"m 
> looking for some information about setting up mailman on RedHat 7.2 but 
> can't spend the days digging through the archives one message at a time.

Chris,
This link may help.

The Mail Archive
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

-- 
Mike Noyes 
http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
http://leaf-project.org/





From ctooley at phototropia.org  Wed May 15 23:03:14 2002
From: ctooley at phototropia.org (Chris Tooley)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 16:03:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable Archives
References: <3CE2C8D7.6060208@phototropia.org> <3CE2CA55.CFAA2F98@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Message-ID: <3CE2CD12.9040705@phototropia.org>

J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote:

>Chris Tooley wrote:
>  
>
>>Is there a place to be able to search the mailing list archives?  I"m
>>looking for some information about setting up mailman on RedHat 7.2 but
>>can't spend the days digging through the archives one message at a time.
>>
>>Chris Tooley
>>    
>>
>
>http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mailman-users&r=1&w=2
>  
>
Thank you.  I have found a bug in the RedHat 7.2 RPM file.  It was 
creating the apache ScriptAlias incorrectly.  I'll diff the SPEC file 
and send it in as a patch.

Chris Tooley






From vodka at intoxicate.us  Wed May 15 00:41:46 2002
From: vodka at intoxicate.us (vodka at intoxicate.us)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 17:41:46 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending subscriptions
Message-ID: <1935.192.168.1.2.1021416106.squirrel@www.asper.org>

Hi,

I installed mailman and everything seems to work fine up until a user gets
the confirmation message.  After that, mailman puts the person into a
"pending" status.    Unfortunately this status doesn't get updated and users
won't get subscribed to the list.

I've tried almost everything, and I can't come up with a solution.  In
administration -- privacy setings, I selected "confirm".  There might be a
permissions problem, because when I do chmod -R a+rwx /home/mailman the
pending status turns into "new" in the subscribe log, and users get their
welcome email.  But when I do that, everything breaks and mailman says it
encountered a bug.

Does anyone know what's wrong? Any help is greatly appreciated.






From P.U.Lianos at bristol.ac.uk  Tue May 14 23:45:57 2002
From: P.U.Lianos at bristol.ac.uk (P.U. Lianos)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 00:45:57 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments control?
Message-ID: 

Hello there,

I was wondering (and couldn't find any info online) if a list manager has a 
way to block attachments from reaching a list that uses Mailman? This is 
useful in order to prevent a virus coming from a list member, spreading 
within the email list.

Thank you,

Panos Lianos

----------------------
P.U. Lianos, Economics
P.U.Lianos at bristol.ac.uk





From bwalls at pobox.com  Wed May 15 16:34:31 2002
From: bwalls at pobox.com (Bryan Walls)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:34:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] almost but not quite
Message-ID: 

I'm trying to get Mailman working on my system.

I've followed the setup directions twice through. Everything seems to 
be working, except that when I send a message to a list, no mail goes 
out.

Subscription notices do seem to be going okay. And I get messages at 
the "mailman" address. That's all, though.

I'm using sendmail, did configure to set default user to be 12. 
(--with-mail-gid=12)

Here's the setting from sendmail.cf:

# default UID (can be username or userid:groupid)
O DefaultUser=8:12


I actually found I could send mail to my test list by doing:

su mail
/etc/smrsh/wrapper post test

where the second command matches the aliases entry.

If I try to do /etc/smrsh/wrapper post test from the mailman account, 
I get Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 501. 
(Reconfigure to take 501?)

Any ideas why it's not working for mail coming in?

-- 
Bryan Walls	bwalls at pobox.com
		Check out my fresh personal website at http://home.bwalls.com/
		And my work website (I'm curator) at http://science.nasa.gov
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From alex at phred.org  Wed May 15 23:38:27 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 14:38:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments control?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <20020515143759.H66269-100000@phred.org>

On Wed, 15 May 2002, P.U. Lianos wrote:
> I was wondering (and couldn't find any info online) if a list manager has a
> way to block attachments from reaching a list that uses Mailman? This is
> useful in order to prevent a virus coming from a list member, spreading
> within the email list.

Four solutions listed at:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.013.htp

alex





From chrisw at signalbhn.org  Thu May 16 00:48:22 2002
From: chrisw at signalbhn.org (Chris Wiegand)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 16:48:22 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MAILMAN_SITE_LIST
Message-ID: <000001c1fc62$9e8622f0$1410a8c0@signalbhn.org>

When I try, with Mailman 2.1b1 (yes, I put it into production, and no, I
haven't upgraded to 2.1b2 yet), to use the mailpasswds command, it's giving
me this.

bash-2.05# ./mailpasswds
Site list is missing: mailman

Any ideas on how to fix this? In my Defaults.py I've got:


MAILMAN_SITE_LIST = 'mailman'

which should be unmodified (since one should use mm_cfg.py, IIRC).

Chris Wiegand
Network Admin / Programmer
Signal BHN






From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net  Thu May 16 02:20:40 2002
From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes)
Date: 15 May 2002 17:20:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments control?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1021508441.17176.60.camel@galileo.carola.lan>

On Tue, 2002-05-14 at 14:45, P.U. Lianos wrote:
> I was wondering (and couldn't find any info online) if a list manager has a 
> way to block attachments from reaching a list that uses Mailman? This is 
> useful in order to prevent a virus coming from a list member, spreading 
> within the email list.

Panos,
If you don't have shell access, try this FAQ:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.010.htp

-- 
Mike Noyes 
http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
http://leaf-project.org/





From WTLEWIS at cityu.edu.hk  Thu May 16 03:28:24 2002
From: WTLEWIS at cityu.edu.hk (Lewis Lau)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 09:28:24 +0800
Subject: Patch to suppress List-* headers on a per-list basis (was Re:
 [Mailman-Users] Help )
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020514073833.0279dc30@rlw.best.vwh.net>
References: <8779.1021360135@kanga.nu>
 <5.1.1.2.2.20020513222958.00b5b5a0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
 <3CDFB15B.32110.4C45800@localhost>
 <20020513113959.325cde6f.raquel@thericehouse.net>
 <4114C5FDC8297F49BC60F44C0B0B30ED8DBAEE@OAKNCCW2K03.jacobs.com>
 <5.1.1.2.2.20020513222958.00b5b5a0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020516092038.00a7f5e0@mail.cityu.edu.hk>

Hi Bob,

I did the similar thing on mailman as well, that I hack the CookHeaders.py 
a little bit to remove the "List-Post", "List-Subscribe" and 
"List-Unsubscribe" mail headers. But can you tell me what to do with the 
MailList.py?

Lewis

At 07:49 AM 5/14/02 -0700, Bob Weissman wrote:
>At 12:08 AM 5/14/02, J C Lawrence wrote:
> >> There should be options in the admin interface to handle all of this.
> >
> >Thankyou for your excellent analysis.  When can we expect your patch to
> >add these features?
> >
> >> The 'fix' you offer me for this question is not a fix at all.
> >
> >Ahh.  When can we expect your patch to do it properly?
>
>I have a patch for 2.0.10 which allows list owners to set, on a per-list 
>basis, whether the List-* headers are added to each posting. I need this 
>for the same reason as the Aerosmith guy, namely because I have several 
>outgoing-only "newsletter" lists which I don't want users trying to 
>self-administer.
>
>(It took me all of a half hour to figure out how to write this patch, by 
>the way, and I didn't even know Python when I started. I congratulate the 
>Mailman authors on making the software flexible enough to add a new 
>attribute to mlists, generate the adin GUI for same automagically, and 
>make retrofitting existing lists a simple matter of using withlist.)
>
>Anyway, the FAQ says this particular modification is frowned upon, so I 
>didn't submit it. If people want it, I can package it up and document it. 
>I imagine that others have also implemented this, as it's a pretty obvious 
>change to CookHeaders.py and MailList.py. Should I submit mine? If so, 
>where should I send it?
>
>- Bob
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py






From claw at kanga.nu  Thu May 16 07:18:06 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 22:18:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments control? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "P.U. Lianos"  
   of "Wed, 15 May 2002 00:45:57 +0300."  
References:  
Message-ID: <19558.1021526286@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 15 May 2002 00:45:57 +0300 
P U Lianos  wrote:

> Hello there, I was wondering (and couldn't find any info online) if a
> list manager has a way to block attachments from reaching a list that
> uses Mailman? This is useful in order to prevent a virus coming from a
> list member, spreading within the email list.

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From listadmin at aerosmithfanclub.com  Thu May 16 09:04:52 2002
From: listadmin at aerosmithfanclub.com (AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 03:04:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User List
Message-ID: <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com>

	What is the URL that I can go to pull a complete list of all my 
subscribers and their password?  I don't want any sort of nice cute warm 
and fuzzy graphical glitzed up thing, just a quick and dirty complete 
list.  The list needs to be continuous, not paged.  Any ideas? 






From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu May 16 09:15:28 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 01:15:28 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User List
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com>
Message-ID: <3CE35C90.66CC17A8@pcraft.com>

"AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin" wrote:

>         What is the URL that I can go to pull a complete list of all my
> subscribers and their password?  I don't want any sort of nice cute warm
> and fuzzy graphical glitzed up thing, just a quick and dirty complete
> list.  The list needs to be continuous, not paged.  Any ideas?

    There is no URL.

    A list of subscribers:  ./bin/list_members

    Their password, you'll have to dumb the db, or write your own script.

--
H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
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  Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.






From listadmin at aerosmithfanclub.com  Thu May 16 09:25:53 2002
From: listadmin at aerosmithfanclub.com (AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 03:25:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User List
In-Reply-To: <20020516071304.GP25357@merlins.org>
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com>
 <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.2.2.20020516032244.00b358b8@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>

Does not work in a shared environment.  PERMISSION DENIED every time!


BTW if any of the programmers are here can I ask why a .db format was used 
and not the much simpler ASCII file?  I mean this software is really great 
at what it does.  The problem is (like I have mentioned before) that it is 
not very flexible at all and you have to go through a lot of screens and 
steps to do things.  I want to try to make this work on my server.  Please 
give me help getting all of the excessive overhead turned off that we don't 
need.


Thanks



At 12:13 AM 5/16/2002 -0700, Marc MERLIN wrote:
 >On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 03:04:52AM -0400, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin
 >wrote:
 >> 	What is the URL that I can go to pull a complete list of all my
 >> subscribers and their password?  I don't want any sort of nice cute warm
 >> and fuzzy graphical glitzed up thing, just a quick and dirty complete
 >> list.  The list needs to be continuous, not paged.  Any ideas?
 >
 >You cannot get the passwords through the web or a direct command line tool.
 >
 >You can however run ~mailman/bin/dumpdb
 >~mailman/lists/listname/config.{db|pck} and grep from there.
 >You can also trivially create a web page from it with a small script
 >
 >Marc
 >--
 >Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
 >                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet 
cooking
 >
 >Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for 
PGP key






From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Thu May 16 09:31:00 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn?= Nettingsmeier)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 09:31:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User List
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com>
Message-ID: <3CE36034.FC6DD44B@folkwang-hochschule.de>

"AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin" wrote:
> 
>         What is the URL that I can go to pull a complete list of all my
> subscribers and their password?  I don't want any sort of nice cute warm
> and fuzzy graphical glitzed up thing, just a quick and dirty complete
> list.  The list needs to be continuous, not paged.  Any ideas?
> 

i had the same need, and i asked my admin to run a cronjob for me that
dumps all subscriber lists into a stats directory every 6 hours, so that
i can do subscriber statistics on my own. but then i have shell access
to the machine... (still, i'm not group mailman and can't read the
config.db myself).




From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Thu May 16 09:35:31 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 00:35:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User List
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.2.2.20020516032244.00b358b8@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com> <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com> <5.1.1.2.2.20020516032244.00b358b8@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
Message-ID: <20020516073531.GQ25357@merlins.org>

On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 03:25:53AM -0400, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote:
> Does not work in a shared environment.  PERMISSION DENIED every time!
 
Uh?
You gotta be part of the group mailman to have permissions on the db.
 
> BTW if any of the programmers are here can I ask why a .db format was used 

Because you don't want to a access a 10,000+ membership list linearly.
That's programming 101.

> and not the much simpler ASCII file?  I mean this software is really great 
> at what it does.  The problem is (like I have mentioned before) that it is 
> not very flexible at all and you have to go through a lot of screens and 
> steps to do things.  I want to try to make this work on my server.  Please 

Not really,  you just try to  do all the  things it wasn't designed  for and
then complain that there isn't a front end of it.

If you needed to list the membership, you could do it with
~mailman/bin/list_members.
If you want a raw dump of the DB, you can get it with ~mailman/bin/dumpdb

What else do you want?
If you're missing the glue for what you want, you get to write it, the base
tools are there.

> give me help getting all of the excessive overhead turned off that we don't 
> need.

Eh, don't complain to  us if you need to shave the conners  off your cube as
you're hammering it into a round hole.
It's open source, you can do that if you want, but you get to shave the said
corners off, not us.
(Well, Barry & Zope.com take monetary bribes, but that's a different matter
:-p)

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key




From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Thu May 16 09:13:05 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 00:13:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User List
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com>
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com>
Message-ID: <20020516071304.GP25357@merlins.org>

On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 03:04:52AM -0400, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote:
> 	What is the URL that I can go to pull a complete list of all my 
> subscribers and their password?  I don't want any sort of nice cute warm 
> and fuzzy graphical glitzed up thing, just a quick and dirty complete 
> list.  The list needs to be continuous, not paged.  Any ideas? 

You cannot get the passwords through the web or a direct command line tool.

You can however run ~mailman/bin/dumpdb
~mailman/lists/listname/config.{db|pck} and grep from there.
You can also trivially create a web page from it with a small script

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key




From listadmin at aerosmithfanclub.com  Thu May 16 09:13:11 2002
From: listadmin at aerosmithfanclub.com (AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 03:13:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] LISTS command
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030809.00b47b90@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>

Two Issues with the LISTS command:

1) I am running in a shared environment.  When I send LISTS to the 
listname-request address I get a listing of all lists on the server and NOT 
just the one(s) for that domain.  My domain should not be allowed to 
advertise other webmasters' lets.  In fact I DON'T WANT TO advertise other 
lists from my domain.  Can this be patched somehow?

2) Why is it that I have to send a request to listname-request to get a 
listing of the mailing lists at a domain.  What if I don't know the name of 
ANY lists at the domain?  Shouldn't I (if i can I have not figured out how 
to do it) be able to send something to a master mailman address and get the 
lists?  Seems pretty logical to me.  I am old and slow so maybe I missed 
this one.

Thanks!






From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Thu May 16 10:02:40 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 01:02:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] LISTS command
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030809.00b47b90@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com> <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030809.00b47b90@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
Message-ID: <20020516080240.GT25357@merlins.org>

On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 03:13:11AM -0400, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote:
> 1) I am running in a shared environment.  When I send LISTS to the 
> listname-request address I get a listing of all lists on the server and NOT 
> just the one(s) for that domain.  My domain should not be allowed to 
> advertise other webmasters' lets.  In fact I DON'T WANT TO advertise other 
> lists from my domain.  Can this be patched somehow?

Everything can be patched, but mailman 2.0 doesn't handle virtual domains
too well.
mailman 2.1 is better in that respect, although you may still have to patch
it a bit to do what you want (check first)
 
> 2) Why is it that I have to send a request to listname-request to get a 
> listing of the mailing lists at a domain.  What if I don't know the name of 
> ANY lists at the domain?  Shouldn't I (if i can I have not figured out how 
> to do it) be able to send something to a master mailman address and get the 
> lists?  Seems pretty logical to me.  I am old and slow so maybe I missed 
> this one.

Because people don't use mailman that way (eh, you must be used to me saying
this by now).
1) Mailman was meant to  be used primarily over the web, so  you can get the
   list of lists there
2) You are usually pointed to a list and start with that one
3) Do you Email majordomo at randomhosts and ask for the list of lists?
   I don't...
4) most mailman 2.1 install will have a mailman master list, so you'll be
   able to Email mailman-request

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key




From listadmin at aerosmithfanclub.com  Thu May 16 10:06:22 2002
From: listadmin at aerosmithfanclub.com (AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 04:06:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User List
In-Reply-To: <20020516073531.GQ25357@merlins.org>
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020516032244.00b358b8@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
 <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com>
 <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com>
 <5.1.1.2.2.20020516032244.00b358b8@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.2.2.20020516035009.00ba30d0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>

At 12:35 AM 5/16/2002 -0700, you wrote:
 >On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 03:25:53AM -0400, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin
 >wrote:
 >> Does not work in a shared environment.  PERMISSION DENIED every time!
 >
 >Uh?
 >You gotta be part of the group mailman to have permissions on the db.

Damn this really sucks.  I imagine this software just was not designed to 
run in a shared environment.


 >> BTW if any of the programmers are here can I ask why a .db format was used
 >
 >Because you don't want to a access a 10,000+ membership list linearly.
 >That's programming 101.

I serious doubt even a SMALL percent of lists have that many users.  But 
never mind, thats not the point.


 >> and not the much simpler ASCII file?  I mean this software is really great
 >> at what it does.  The problem is (like I have mentioned before) that it is
 >> not very flexible at all and you have to go through a lot of screens and
 >> steps to do things.  I want to try to make this work on my server.  Please
 >
 >Not really,  you just try to  do all the  things it wasn't designed  for and
 >then complain that there isn't a front end of it.

You make my point.  IT WASNT DESIGNED to be used but in a single manner.  I 
know I am not the only one who has made request like these.  I have gotten 
a lot of private responses asking that if I get a way to fix the problems 
to let them know as well.  Also it is NOT complaining to ask for help or 
request knowledge.  The fact that the program cannot do what a person asks 
does not mean that the person is complaining.  The product really isnt as 
flexible as it could be.  Thats not kicking anyone's cat it is simply 
stating a point of fact.


 >
 >If you needed to list the membership, you could do it with
 >~mailman/bin/list_members.
 >If you want a raw dump of the DB, you can get it with ~mailman/bin/dumpdb
 >
 >What else do you want?
 >If you're missing the glue for what you want, you get to write it, the base
 >tools are there.
 >
 >> give me help getting all of the excessive overhead turned off that we 
don't
 >> need.
 >
 >Eh, don't complain to  us if you need to shave the conners  off your cube as
 >you're hammering it into a round hole.
 >It's open source, you can do that if you want, but you get to shave the said
 >corners off, not us.
 >(Well, Barry & Zope.com take monetary bribes, but that's a different matter
 >:-p)

Again it was a request.  I ask not to remove corners but to not have to use 
all kinds of extraneous layers and levels of control freak features.  I 
made a request to learn how to edit the standard message returned when the 
HELP command is issued because I dont use the web interface pages for my 
lists.  I want to remove the reference to them.  Thats a really simple 
request.  I don't know what file to work with so I asked.  I asked how to 
not have to force users to have passwords and all I get is people giving me 
crap about "what you want your subscribers mass unsubscribed by other 
people".  Obviously I do not consider that to be a risk worth going to all 
the hassle of passwords over.  In my previous 8 years of running lists I 
had ZERO instances of this.  Of course these lists were set up that one 
could only unsubscribe a given address from that address.  Gee no need for 
passwords!  Point is that every request made that does not have an already 
defined fix, etc seems to be treated as a complaint or an attack on 
someone.  It would be better for the list as a whole if the folks who have 
nothing better to say than "if you don't like it write the code yourself", 
"Hey its not my problem",  or "quitcher bitchin" would just move on to the 
next email and help with what they have a constructive solution 
for.  Although I guess that is what makes some folks happy, just sitting 
there and pissing and moaning at everyone else.

Thanks!






From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de  Thu May 16 12:26:56 2002
From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:26:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] One message disappeared from my sight.
Message-ID: 

Hello all,

I don't understand this.

We use Exim 3.33 and Maiman 2.10
A hour ago I saw this in our exim_mainlog:
(Names (and one IP) are changed for privacy reasons)
2002-05-16 11:11:07 178HHv-0004KR-00 <= Our.User at local.fh-giessen.de H=our.host.fh-giessen.de (Hello) [212.201.x.x] P=esmtp S=11664 id=E178GZW-0003d9-00 at mailserv.fh-giessen.de
2002-05-16 11:11:07 178HHv-0004KR-00 => listname  D=list_director T=list_transport
2002-05-16 11:11:07 178HHv-0004KR-00 Completed

This means that Exim has received a message for one of our lists and deliver it to the mailman transport.
But then nothing happens ... 
Mailman seems to do nothing with this message.
He don't infom the list administrator and he does no further posts for this message.
The qfile directory is empty and the locks directory too.
There is no according entry in the post logfile. 

Where is this message gone ?
Is there a circumstance that mailman could receive a mail and discard it 
automatically ?

This is the first time that I note a behaviour like this.
Before using 2.10 we use 2.07 for a long time with no (known)
problems.
Also this list seems apart from these thing to work perfectly.
The same is true for Mailman as a whole.

The only thing I can imagine is that I had forget to do a "new_list"
for this list (cause I had moved mailman to another directory).
But this list don't use public archivs and it seems to work perfectly
(apart from these thing).


- oliver








From WTLEWIS at cityu.edu.hk  Thu May 16 10:59:58 2002
From: WTLEWIS at cityu.edu.hk (Lewis Lau)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 16:59:58 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User List
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.2.2.20020516035009.00ba30d0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.co m>
References: <20020516073531.GQ25357@merlins.org>
 <5.1.1.2.2.20020516032244.00b358b8@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
 <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com>
 <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com>
 <5.1.1.2.2.20020516032244.00b358b8@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020516165658.00a8a260@mail.cityu.edu.hk>

 >Not really, you just try to do all the things it wasn't designed for and
 >then complain that there isn't a front end of it.
 >You make my point. IT WASNT DESIGNED to be used but in a single manner. I 
know I am not the only one who has made request like these.
 >I have gotten a lot of private responses asking that if I get a way to 
fix the problems to let them know as well.
 >Also it is NOT complaining to ask for help or request knowledge.
 >The fact that the program cannot do what a person asks does not mean that 
the person is complaining.
 >The product really isnt as flexible as it could be. Thats not kicking 
anyone's cat it is simply stating a point of fact.


The most precious thing of open source software is that if you don't 
satisfied with the programme, you can customize the code yourself to meet 
you own needs, and then share you patches with other users over the world. 
The full source code is right on your hand!
That's why Linux grow up so fast, and that's why tons of open source 
softwares being developed so well. Try to find out the solutions yourself, 
don't just sitting over there and keep complaining! Basically, open source 
software was not designed for idiots.
If you are looking for something else that ready for use just by a few 
mouse clicks, get back to Microsoft! =P

Lewis

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From avbidder at fortytwo.ch  Thu May 16 13:23:39 2002
From: avbidder at fortytwo.ch (Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder)
Date: 16 May 2002 13:23:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron, was: Mailman does everything except send
	mail
In-Reply-To: <3CE2AAEF.7981653F@folkwang-hochschule.de>
References: <20020515130106.A20160@itn.co.uk>
	<1021464374.7916.128.camel@atlas> 
	<3CE2AAEF.7981653F@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Message-ID: <1021548219.18056.7.camel@atlas>

On Wed, 2002-05-15 at 20:37, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote:
> Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote:
> > 
> > Question on that: can mailman be configured to run without cron? I have
> > on my home system a very low traffic list, and it's a bit a cpu waste to
> > run a cron job when I have only 2 or 3 messages every few days.
[...]


> cron is no significant load on modern machines, and it has a small
> memory footprint. the one percent memory usage you see here is of a
> total of 48 megs of ram - the system is very low-spec.

Yes, quite low-spec...

The machine in question is a 486/25MHz and 36MB RAM - qrunner runs 10s
or more, so running it every minute would be a load I'd rather avoid.
I'm running it every few minutes now, but I thought *if* mailman had a
mechanism to trigger it only after incoming mail I'd use it.

cheers
-- vbi


-- 
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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Thu May 16 16:17:21 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn?= Nettingsmeier)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 16:17:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User List
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020516032244.00b358b8@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
	 <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com>
	 <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com>
	 <5.1.1.2.2.20020516032244.00b358b8@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com> <5.1.1.2.2.20020516035009.00ba30d0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
Message-ID: <3CE3BF71.AFFAF983@folkwang-hochschule.de>

"AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin" wrote:
> 
> At 12:35 AM 5/16/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>  >On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 03:25:53AM -0400, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin
>  >wrote:
>  >> Does not work in a shared environment.  PERMISSION DENIED every time!
>  >
>  >Uh?
>  >You gotta be part of the group mailman to have permissions on the db.
> 
> Damn this really sucks.  I imagine this software just was not designed to
> run in a shared environment.

permissions are a basic requirement for shared environments. you
obviously don't know what you are talking about. the problem is: you
talk loudly.
please try to understand the basic principles of open-source software
(and while you're at it, there is a good howto by eric raymond on how to
ask intelligent questions, you might want to digest that too) before you
post again to this list.
then try to get a clue about the fact that your way to use mailing lists
is not the only way in this solar system. more precisely, yours is in
fact a very special, rather limited usage of mailing lists, which is why
you don't understand what most of mailman's features are about.

stop being obnoxious to people who donate software to you. get yourself
out of bed, learn python and contribute. or buy some guy that will
spoon-feed you the basics and whine to him.

in the mean time, welcome to yet another killfile.

j?rn




From phil.graham at mailbox.uq.edu.au  Thu May 16 16:27:23 2002
From: phil.graham at mailbox.uq.edu.au (Phil Graham)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 00:27:23 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help please?
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020517001310.00c52710@dingo.uq.edu.au>

Dear Mailman users,

Thanks again to all those who answered me last time.

I am still trying to install ver 2.0.10 on a virtual host. I have managed 
to get Mailman to create lists and send admin and welcome messages etc, the 
GUI works fine with my cgi, but I cannot get the program to receive email 
from aliases it creates. So if I create a list xyz, I can subscribe people 
ok, but I cannot send an email to xyz at philgraham.net and have Mailman 
redistribute it to the xyz list.

I have had my ISP support update the test alias like this

test:                    "|/home/phil/philgraham-www/mailman/mail/wrapper 
post test"
test-admin:              "|/home/phil/philgraham-www/mailman/mail/wrapper 
mailowner test"
test-request:            "|/home/phil/philgraham-www/mailman/mail/wrapper 
mailcmd test"
test-owner:              test-admin

and then run new aliases (I don't have root permissions so have to get 
support to do this).

Still no luck.

Any suggestions are much appreciated.

Thanks.

Best regards,
Phil

Apache 1.3.12
Linux Redhat Version 6.1
Perl    5.6.0
PHP    4.0.3
GCC    2.7






From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net  Thu May 16 16:31:20 2002
From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes)
Date: 16 May 2002 07:31:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User List
In-Reply-To: <3CE3BF71.AFFAF983@folkwang-hochschule.de>
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020516032244.00b358b8@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
	<5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com>
	<5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com>
	<5.1.1.2.2.20020516032244.00b358b8@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
	<5.1.1.2.2.20020516035009.00ba30d0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com> 
	<3CE3BF71.AFFAF983@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Message-ID: <1021559481.21879.8.camel@galileo.carola.lan>

On Thu, 2002-05-16 at 07:17, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote:
> "AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin" wrote:
> > Damn this really sucks.  I imagine this software just was not designed to
> > run in a shared environment.
>
> please try to understand the basic principles of open-source software
> (and while you're at it, there is a good howto by eric raymond on how to
> ask intelligent questions, you might want to digest that too) before you
> post again to this list.

Here is the ESR link.

How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

-- 
Mike Noyes 
http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
http://leaf-project.org/





From woodie at webfoot.net  Thu May 16 16:49:15 2002
From: woodie at webfoot.net (Woodie Sayles)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:49:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looking for local help in Clearwater, Florida
Message-ID: 

I'm looking for someone local to come to my office and help me
convert/import messages and archives into Mailman -- for pay  ;-).

At this point, I think some of the messages/archives are Majordomo, but I'm
not sure what the rest are.

If there is someone on the list who would be interested, please email me
directly. Thanks.


Woodie Sayles
Webfoot.Net
woodie at webfoot.net
(727) 442-5770
(727) 442-3380 - fax
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From phil.graham at mailbox.uq.edu.au  Thu May 16 16:18:30 2002
From: phil.graham at mailbox.uq.edu.au (Phil Graham)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 00:18:30 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help please?
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020517001310.00c52710@dingo.uq.edu.au>

Dear Mailman users,

Thanks again to all those who answered last time.

I am still trying to install ver 2.0.10 on a virtual host. I have managed 
to get Mailman to create lists and send admin messages, the GUI works fine 
with my cgi, but I cannot get the program to receive email from aliases it 
creates. So if I create a list xyz, I can subscribe people ok, but I cannot 
send an email to xyz at philgraham.net and have Mailman redistribute it to the 
xyz list.

I have had my ISP support update the test alias like this

test:                    "|/home/phil/philgraham-www/mailman/mail/wrapper 
post test"
test-admin:              "|/home/phil/philgraham-www/mailman/mail/wrapper 
mailowner test"
test-request:            "|/home/phil/philgraham-www/mailman/mail/wrapper 
mailcmd test"
test-owner:              test-admin

and then run new aliases (I don;t have root permission).

Still no luck.

Any suggestions are much appreciated.

Thanks.

Best regards,
Phil

Apache 1.3.12
Linux Redhat Version 6.1
Perl    5.6.0
PHP    4.0.3
GCC    2.7






From net at donaldsonmakoski.com  Thu May 16 17:22:33 2002
From: net at donaldsonmakoski.com (net)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:22:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML (formatted) email
Message-ID: 

Hello everyone!
I'm pretty new to UNIX world, and may ask you silly questions, but please be
patient.

I'm just about ready to install the Mailman to a virtual server (renting)
running on FreeBSD (Python 2.1.2). But before an installation, I'd like to
know if it can handle a HTML (formatted) message (basically, It just
contains a letterhead graphic on the top of a message) well.

Again, all I want to do is sending 250 subscribers (read only, newsletter) a
message with a graphic on the top (letterhead). It just like HTML messages
you receive daily from Apple, Palm, you name it (by the way I'm sending it
to my clients).

I've tried it with Macjordomo on the EIMS server (MacOS9), but no luck.
Subscribers received a message without a graphic (instead, bunch of codes).

Anyone has any thought?

Take good care,
Hiro





From wtlewis at cityu.edu.hk  Thu May 16 17:47:47 2002
From: wtlewis at cityu.edu.hk (Lewis Lau)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 23:47:47 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User List
References: <20020516073531.GQ25357@merlins.org>
	 <5.1.1.2.2.20020516032244.00b358b8@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
	 <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com>
	 <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com>
	 <5.1.1.2.2.20020516032244.00b358b8@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com> <5.1.1.2.2.20020516073829.00b86680@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
Message-ID: <3CE3D4A3.1B35A2C9@cityu.edu.hk>

The spirit of open source programming is that you are supposed to be a
participant in the project development, contribute your patches to the project,
give out your advice and suggestion (in a more politly way), save your time for
expecting other people to feed you up and make use of the time for solution
finding (with your own brian). Don't consider yourself as a damn customer in
the open source world, and in fact, you didn't pay a single penny for mailman
or any other open source software right? So what make you think that you have
the right to yelling around just because of the software didn't fulfill all
your needs?
We all learn Linux from nothing, and we all learn Python from nothing. So my
ASSUMPTION was not everyone had the coding abilities, but everyone should has
the abilities and wills to LEARN! As I mentioned before, if you are seeking for
spoon-feeding stuffs, Linux and Mailman are just not suit for you. Think about
it man!

Lewis

"AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin" wrote:

>          Lewis you ASS-U-ME one BIG thing.  that everyone who uses a given
> item of software has coding abilities in the underlying programming
> language.   And another thing requests for help and asking how to do
> something is NOT complaining. Jesus whats up with you high and
> mighties?  Someone comes along and points out that this software is not
> perfect and you all take it as if your child had just been eaten by Jeffrey
> Dalhmer (however the hell you spell his name).
>          MM appears to have been designed exactly for the idiots that you
> profess about.  It is very inflexible in its use.  You either use it the
> EXACT way the programmers determined that everyone would want to use it or
> to hell with you.  Most of the users on this list have been rude at best in
> any request I have seen from anyone asking for help.  The KINDEST response
> I have seen to anyone is a curt "read the FAQ".  At least if you do revert
> to that it would be half way decent to give the person asking the question
> some idea in the FAQ the information is covered.
> >
> >The most precious thing of open source software is that if you don't
> >satisfied with the programme, you can customize the code yourself to meet
> >you own needs, and then share you patches with other users over the world.
> >The full source code is right on your hand!
> >That's why Linux grow up so fast, and that's why tons of open source
> >softwares being developed so well. Try to find out the solutions yourself,
> >don't just sitting over there and keep complaining! Basically, open source
> >software was not designed for idiots.
> >If you are looking for something else that ready for use just by a few
> >mouse clicks, get back to Microsoft! =P
> >
> >Lewis





From wtlewis at cityu.edu.hk  Thu May 16 18:45:18 2002
From: wtlewis at cityu.edu.hk (Lewis Lau)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 00:45:18 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User List
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020516032244.00b358b8@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
	 <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com>
	 <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com>
	 <5.1.1.2.2.20020516032244.00b358b8@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
	 <5.1.1.2.2.20020516035009.00ba30d0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
	 <3CE3BF71.AFFAF983@folkwang-hochschule.de> <1021559481.21879.8.camel@galileo.carola.lan>
Message-ID: <3CE3E21E.7420ABCC@cityu.edu.hk>

Hi Mike,

I just read the article, nice and interesting. I think that Aerosmith guy should
read it, seriously. =)

Regards,
Lewis

Mike Noyes wrote:

> Here is the ESR link.
>
> How To Ask Ques
> tions The Smart Way
> http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> --
> Mike Noyes 
> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
> http://leaf-project.org/
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> i





From brooksj at wildhorse.com  Thu May 16 19:11:26 2002
From: brooksj at wildhorse.com (Desert Hawk)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:11:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User List 
In-Reply-To: Message from "AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin" 
 
   of "Thu, 16 May 2002 04:06:22 -0400." <5.1.1.2.2.20020516035009.00ba30d0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com> 
Message-ID: <200205161710.g4GHAt234123@ns1.wildhorse.com>

> >> Does not work in a shared environment.  PERMISSION DENIED every time!
> >
> >Uh?
> >You gotta be part of the group mailman to have permissions on the db.
>
>Damn this really sucks.  I imagine this software just was not designed to 
>run in a shared environment.

Instead of slamming the people who've written a flexible, easy to use
application designed for use by list administrators (who also mainly 
act as site administrators and sysadmins) primarily as a replacement 
for Majordomo which does have limitations, have you ever considered 
asking your sysadmin to give you the permissions you need to run the 
Mailman scripts?

You spend more time yelling at people who have no idea how your system
is setup when you should be talking first to your sysadmin, since they
were the ones who replaced Majordomo with Mailman on you.

Maybe they could reinstall Majordomo for you and you can go back to 
being "happy".  Have you even asked them for anything during this?

> >> BTW if any of the programmers are here can I ask why a .db format was used
> >
> >Because you don't want to a access a 10,000+ membership list linearly.
> >That's programming 101.
>
>I serious doubt even a SMALL percent of lists have that many users.  But 
>never mind, thats not the point.

It's part of the point.  There are lists out there in the hundred thousand
user range, and using Mailman.  Flatfiling that would bog a machine down
with inefficient coding on top of the MTA overhead.

>From every question you've asked, it seems like you kept picking the 
smallest possible inconsequentials to grab and knaw at.   Why not ask your
sysadmins to help?  You could write a script that uses the programs in
~mailman/bin, and have your admins install them so that they have the
permissions to use those programs as well has you having the permissions 
to run them.

You have been attacking the wrong people from the get go.  Step back, 
breathe, rethink your approach.

> >> and not the much simpler ASCII file?  I mean this software is really great
> >> at what it does.  The problem is (like I have mentioned before) that it is
> >> not very flexible at all and you have to go through a lot of screens and
> >> steps to do things.  I want to try to make this work on my server.  Please
> >
> >Not really,  you just try to  do all the  things it wasn't designed  for and
> >then complain that there isn't a front end of it.
>
>You make my point.  IT WASNT DESIGNED to be used but in a single manner.  I 
>know I am not the only one who has made request like these.  I have gotten 
>a lot of private responses asking that if I get a way to fix the problems 
>to let them know as well.  Also it is NOT complaining to ask for help or 
>request knowledge.  The fact that the program cannot do what a person asks 
>does not mean that the person is complaining.  The product really isnt as 
>flexible as it could be.  Thats not kicking anyone's cat it is simply 
>stating a point of fact.

And Majordomo was designed for more than a single use how?

Having a web interface is perfect for those who don't have shell access,
which is becoming more and more common these days.  What would happen if
your host site had a security problem or a shift in ideals, and they took
away shell access for all users?   Don't scoff...it's happened before, and
will almost certainly happen again.

I love Perl as a language, been writing admin scripts and CGI in it for 
years.  I've recently started learning PHP because I like it better for 
web use.  I also think Mailman is the sexiest application I've seen in a 
long time, and it beats the pants off Majordomo (an application that, in
1992-94, I used to think couldn't be topped).  But for ages, Majordomo
users asked for a web interface, and a builtin one never ever appeared
because "that's not what it was designed for."  Majorcool showed up, but 
that is highly lacking, also in my opinion.

Times change, technology changes, perceptions change.  Mailman does things 
in earlier versions of 2.0 that I thought Majordomo should have been doing 
over 5 years ago.  But that's just my opinion.  For my needs, I've moved
on and haven't looked back.

No one thing, be it application, or operating system, or cars, can be 
everything to everyone.  Accept that and instead of trying to force Mailman
to do what you're used to some other app doing, try to figure out different
ways to think about what you want and what you need (two very radical 
things, btw).
 
You are not stating any facts to anyone.  You are attacking an innocent
group of people because of your frustration with an application that you
can't or don't want to learn to use, when the people you should be asking
for help aren't here to begin with -- your systems administrators.

> >Eh, don't complain to  us if you need to shave the conners  off your cube as
> >you're hammering it into a round hole.
> >It's open source, you can do that if you want, but you get to shave the said
> >corners off, not us.
> >(Well, Barry & Zope.com take monetary bribes, but that's a different matter
> >:-p)
>
>Again it was a request.  I ask not to remove corners but to not have to use 
>all kinds of extraneous layers and levels of control freak features.  I 
>made a request to learn how to edit the standard message returned when the 
>HELP command is issued because I dont use the web interface pages for my 
>lists.  I want to remove the reference to them.  Thats a really simple 
>request.  I don't know what file to work with so I asked.  I asked how to 
>not have to force users to have passwords and all I get is people giving me 
>crap about "what you want your subscribers mass unsubscribed by other 
>people".  Obviously I do not consider that to be a risk worth going to all 
>the hassle of passwords over.  In my previous 8 years of running lists I 
>had ZERO instances of this.  Of course these lists were set up that one 
>could only unsubscribe a given address from that address.  Gee no need for 
>passwords!  Point is that every request made that does not have an already 
>defined fix, etc seems to be treated as a complaint or an attack on 
>someone.  It would be better for the list as a whole if the folks who have 
>nothing better to say than "if you don't like it write the code yourself", 
>"Hey its not my problem",  or "quitcher bitchin" would just move on to the 
>next email and help with what they have a constructive solution 
>for.  Although I guess that is what makes some folks happy, just sitting 
>there and pissing and moaning at everyone else.

Most of the things you are asking for aren't in the "normal" range of
operations for Mailman, and I honestly don't believe they should be.

Mailman was designed to be setup and and left alone...and it does a great
job of it.   I haven't had to do any "maintaining" on my own lists at all 
save for MSN.com users...but that's an odd situation, and doesn't have any
relevance to Mailman at all.  

Odd how the things you are requesting makes you seem like more of a control
freak than the folks you are calling control freaks.   Mailman was designed 
for list owners and site admins, who by that very definition are "control freaks" all   :)   

They control a resource that has a high abuse factor built in just because 
of the nature of the beast.  You might not care about that, but I'll bet 
that your sysadmins do, because it's their time and resources that are 
abused when they have to clean up someone else's mess after a mailbombing.

Lists are supposed to be transparent.  People sign themselves up, and 
sign themselves off, and everyone's happy.  Passwords are a great idea, 
because I've had first hand problems with lists getting mailbombed by
non-members, with people getting mailiciously signed up to lists they 
have no interest in and no easy way to get off.  The confirmations and
the passwords prevent this.  Most people like this behavior as well.

Have you tried searching the archives at all for the same questions you
are asking?

try http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/ -- all the mailing lists archived there
are driven by a database search.  I never would have been able to do half
the unconventional things with Mailman that I needed to do without that.
Well, maybe I would have, but it would have taken me a little longer.

I had to setup Mailman in an environment where no one needed to know their
passwords, nor the Mailing list URLs.  I was also the sysadmin for the 
mail servers.

I chose Mailman because the thought of converting several hundred ancient
alias-style mailing lists to Majordomo lists, but with flexibility for a
large number of list admins who couldn't be bothered to learn Majordomo
commands, but still wanted control over their own lists, gave me a migraine.

I didn't bother ripping out the List-* headers because most of the users
used Outlook or Netscape, and they would never see those headers, and 
truly wouldn't know what to do with them if they did.  It was a non-issue.
They didn't need them, but I saw no reason to take them out.

I ripped out the footers so they never knew there were URLs for them to
poke and prod, and the list members never knew they had passwords, much 
less how to access them.  I modified the listinfo pages so that the only
function left was viewing list membership.  I set up over 200 lists like
this, with memberships ranging from 5 to 5000 (including umbrella lists).

These were internal lists for an international shipping company.  List
owners had the ability to modify their list settings and memberships, and
several list members of medium sized lists with high turnover wanted to get
full lists of their users just like you've asked.  I wrote a script, and 
never had to worry about it anymore.

You are in an unusual situation, compared to most of the people here that
use Mailman.  I'd really suggest starting with your sysadmins...they might
have already done some of these things for other list owners, if this is
indeed the large, shared system you've been grousing about.


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WildHorse.com				"This is a Unix system...I know this!"






From bushnell at cs.oberlin.edu  Thu May 16 19:50:48 2002
From: bushnell at cs.oberlin.edu (Alan Bushnell)
Date: 16 May 2002 13:50:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reminders sent w/ wrong sender
Message-ID: <1021571448.1702.33.camel@ammon>

Greetings,

Password reminders have been going out with the wrong Sender, Errors-To
and X-Beenthere headers set.  They are set to another list to which the
receipient is not subscribed.  At the same time the body of the message
contains info on the correct list.

I'm running mailman 2.08 and python 1.5.2.  Any help appreciated.

thanks
alan








From doyle at watchdog.sytes.net  Thu May 16 19:52:04 2002
From: doyle at watchdog.sytes.net (doyle)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:52:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] return to sender error
Message-ID: <20020516134611.E9999-100000@watchdog.hn.org>

I just installed the latest mailman from ports on FreeBSD running Postfix.
I setup a test list but anytime I send mail to it, it gets bounced with
the error unknown user "test"

May 16 12:59:56 watchdog postfix/local[9674]: CE86FCEBF:
to=, relay=local, delay=1, status=bounced
(unknown user: "test")

I have updated my alias file and set my crons.  My permissions are set
correctly too.  Do I need to adduser for each mailing list name i create?

- Adam





From petril at pasanet.fi  Thu May 16 20:13:10 2002
From: petril at pasanet.fi (Petri Lehtonen)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 21:13:10 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages of one list stuck in queue
Message-ID: <3CE3F6B6.7050109@pasanet.fi>

I've mailman with four low volume mailing lists. Posts to one of the 
lists are stuck in qfiles. Other lists work without problem. There are 
no errors in logs/post or logs/smtp.

qrunner is running from cron, and running qrunner manually makes no 
difference.

However lots of these in logs/errors, that have started to appear at the 
same time as one of the list stopped working.

May 16 21:06:01 2002 (4253) Delivery exception: not enough arguments for 
format string
May 16 21:06:01 2002 (4253) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/mailman//Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in 
do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/var/mailman//Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py", line 44, in process
    footer = string.replace(mlist.msg_footer % d, '\r\n', '\n')
TypeError: not enough arguments for format string

-- 
Petri Lehtonen
e-mail: petril at pasanet.fi









From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu May 16 20:23:45 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:23:45 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages of one list stuck in queue
References: <3CE3F6B6.7050109@pasanet.fi>
Message-ID: <3CE3F931.1A76DD92@pcraft.com>

Petri Lehtonen wrote:

> May 16 21:06:01 2002 (4253) Delivery exception: not enough arguments for
> format string
> May 16 21:06:01 2002 (4253) Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/var/mailman//Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in
> do_pipeline
>     func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/var/mailman//Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py", line 44, in process
>     footer = string.replace(mlist.msg_footer % d, '\r\n', '\n')
> TypeError: not enough arguments for format string

    You have an error in the text of your footer, probably a character that
needs to be escaped.

--
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  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
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  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
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From doyle at watchdog.sytes.net  Thu May 16 19:16:56 2002
From: doyle at watchdog.sytes.net (doyle)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:16:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown user test@mydomain.com
Message-ID: <20020516131614.L9822-100000@watchdog.hn.org>

I just setup mailman from ports in FreeBSD running postfix.

The installation worked.  I setup a test list but anytime i send mail to
it I get a return to sender mail.

here's an entry from my maillog:

May 16 12:59:56 watchdog postfix/local[9674]: CE86FCEBF:
to=, relay=local, delay=1, status=bounced
(unknown user: "test")

I have set the mailman aliases and run newaliases.  I have also set the
cron jobs.  Do I need to add a "test" user to my system that corresponds
to the "test" list name?  I'm not quite sure where I need to go from here.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

- Adam





From listadmin at aerosmithfanclub.com  Thu May 16 20:52:33 2002
From: listadmin at aerosmithfanclub.com (AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:52:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User List
In-Reply-To: <3CE3BF71.AFFAF983@folkwang-hochschule.de>
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020516032244.00b358b8@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
 <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com>
 <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com>
 <5.1.1.2.2.20020516032244.00b358b8@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
 <5.1.1.2.2.20020516035009.00ba30d0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.2.2.20020516143632.00b5eaf0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>

At 04:17 PM 5/16/2002 +0200, you wrote:
 >"AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin" wrote:
 >>
 >> At 12:35 AM 5/16/2002 -0700, you wrote:
 >>  >On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 03:25:53AM -0400, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin
 >>  >wrote:
 >>  >> Does not work in a shared environment.  PERMISSION DENIED every time!
 >>  >
 >>  >Uh?
 >>  >You gotta be part of the group mailman to have permissions on the db.
 >>
 >> Damn this really sucks.  I imagine this software just was not designed to
 >> run in a shared environment.
 >
 >permissions are a basic requirement for shared environments. you
 >obviously don't know what you are talking about. the problem is: you
 >talk loudly.

You stick your nose where it doesn't belong.  I fully know permissions.  In 
a shared environment not all users have the permissions to access 
certain'master' files.  You do know what I mean by a master file.  It is a 
basic concept.


 >please try to understand the basic principles of open-source software
 >(and while you're at it, there is a good howto by eric raymond on how to
 >ask intelligent questions, you might want to digest that too) before you
 >post again to this list.

The fact that the software is open source is not even slightly relevant.


 >then try to get a clue about the fact that your way to use mailing lists
 >is not the only way in this solar system. more precisely, yours is in
 >fact a very special, rather limited usage of mailing lists, which is why
 >you don't understand what most of mailman's features are about.
 >

A news list rather than a discussion list is not specialized at all.  Many 
sites use them.  When you go to a site where you have to register you often 
have a check box to sign up to receive information from them.  guess 
what?  That's a NEWS list.  You can't send to it.  I fully understand how 
MM works.  It works in a limited manner with little flexibility.


 >stop being obnoxious to people who donate software to you. get yourself
 >out of bed, learn python and contribute. or buy some guy that will
 >spoon-feed you the basics and whine to him.

Obnoxious is the people on the list who answer damn near every question on 
here with a curt "read the FAQ". or worse.  Often the FAQ does not say 
anything about the question asked other than "it can't be done".  In that 
case the obnoxious jerk who replied could have easily made comment to the 
limitation, etc.  Asking for help and making suggestions for improvements 
is not being obnoxious.  Maybe in your country all folks do is take what 
they are given and move along never trying to improve things.  That's not 
the way it is done in the rest of reality.  You again make a poor 
assumption here that everyone who uses Open Source (whether by choice or 
not) is automatically a programmer.  Funny how the users here are the ones 
whining when I ask a question whereas (at least one of) the programmers 
have answered (at least some of) my questions with real answers in direct 
mail.

 >
 >in the mean time, welcome to yet another killfile.

Poor baby!  Had your little feelings hurt so you take your toys and go home 
to mommy.  Oh well it is asshole like you who should not even be allowed on 
the Internet.  If you want to be involved in a conversation stay in it for 
the whole thing.  Otherwise just shut to hell up and quit showing how 
childish and immature the little boys in your country are.

 >
 >j?rn






From claw at kanga.nu  Thu May 16 21:27:24 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:27:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User List 
In-Reply-To: Message from "AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin"  
   of "Thu, 16 May 2002 03:04:52 EDT." <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com> 
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com> 
Message-ID: <31585.1021577244@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 16 May 2002 03:04:52 -0400 
AerosmithFanClub com List Admin  wrote:

> What is the URL that I can go to pull a complete list of all my
> subscribers and their password?  I don't want any sort of nice cute
> warm and fuzzy graphical glitzed up thing, just a quick and dirty
> complete list.  The list needs to be continuous, not paged.  Any
> ideas?

~mailman/bin/list_members

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu May 16 19:55:22 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:55:22 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] return to sender error
References: <20020516134611.E9999-100000@watchdog.hn.org>
Message-ID: <3CE3F28A.6C573CF4@pcraft.com>

doyle wrote:

> I have updated my alias file and set my crons.  My permissions are set
> correctly too.  Do I need to adduser for each mailing list name i create?

    I don't know what MTA you're running, but you may need to update that alias
file after you've modified it.  Under sendmail, you type 'newaliases'....

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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu May 16 21:16:51 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:16:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User List
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.2.2.20020516143632.00b5eaf0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
Message-ID: 

On 5/16/02 11:52 AM, "AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin"
 wrote:


> Obnoxious is the people on the list who answer damn near every question on
> here with a curt "read the FAQ". or worse.

Since you've told us repeatedly the software sucks, and you're now moving
rapidly into telling us that we all suck, too, why the hell are you still
here? Do yourself -- and us -- a favor, and go find a piece of software that
doesn't suck. If you need help off the list, I'll be happy to help, just to
be rid of you. 

To everyone else, all I can say is "don't feed the energy monster". This has
gone from not agreeing with our development styles to personality attacks.
Trolls are trolls, and it serves no useful purpose to the Mailman system to
continue trying to 'help' this person, since all he's interested in doing is
pointing out what idiots we are.

Chuq

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
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No! No! Dead girl, OFF the table! -- Shrek






From doug at holdit.com  Fri May 17 00:10:54 2002
From: doug at holdit.com (Doug La Farge)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 15:10:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MySQL database?
Message-ID: 

I've just installed Mailman and am quite please at how easy it was to 
get it up and running.  I now have two issues that I cannot seem to 
find documentation on: 1) running Mailman for Virtual Hosts and 2) 
using MySQL or data from MySQL to include in the mail list.

With a bit of time I can probably figure out the former issue.

The latter issue seems a bit more tricky for a variety of reasons. 
In short, I have other functionality (CGI/mod_perl scripts) running 
for virtual web hosts that allow users to input email address and 
thus be "attached" to a mailing list.  I'd like to either a) use 
MySLQ as the database for Mailman or b) pull those addresses from 
MySQL and include them in the Mailman database for the mail list. 
Both ideas have obvious caveats and pitfalls (how to sync an 
un-subscribe request with MySQL if I use the original Mailman 
database...).

Any ideas or leads are much appreciated.

-- 
-Doug




From kremels at kreme.com  Fri May 17 02:33:48 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 18:33:48 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User List
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.2.2.20020516143632.00b5eaf0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
Message-ID: 

On Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 12:52 PM, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin 
wrote:
> If you want to be involved in a conversation stay in it for the whole 
> thing.

Obviously he didn't want to be involved in the conversation.

I don't know mailman well enough (heck, at all) so I have no idea if your 
rants are at all justified or not.  I doubt it since countless list I am 
subscribed to use mailman.

I do know that you are ranting and are annoying and that calling people 
assholes on a list where YOU ARE ASKING FOR HELP is really stupid.


--
You are responsible for your rose.





From claw at kanga.nu  Fri May 17 04:23:31 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:23:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MySQL database? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Doug La Farge  
   of "Thu, 16 May 2002 15:10:54 PDT."  
References:  
Message-ID: <7039.1021602211@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 16 May 2002 15:10:54 -0700 
Doug La Farge  wrote:

> 1) running Mailman for Virtual Hosts 

See "hostname that this list prefers" on the first admin page for each
list.

> 2) using MySQL or data from MySQL to include in the mail list.

Not really possible in 2.0, easier but not done yet in 2.1.  You end up
doing tricks with ~mailman/bin/add_members until then.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From mac at focus.lu  Fri May 17 10:59:30 2002
From: mac at focus.lu (Andy McKell)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:59:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing test mailing lists
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20020517105654.08091f50@focus.lu>

Hi

This may seem obvious, but I can't find a reference.
How do I delete/remove a mailing list setup?
(I accidentally gave a test list the same name as a POP user)

Thanks
Andy McKell


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From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri May 17 11:16:08 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 03:16:08 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing test mailing lists
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020517105654.08091f50@focus.lu>
Message-ID: <3CE4CA58.F65BF3B6@pcraft.com>

Andy McKell wrote:

> This may seem obvious, but I can't find a reference.
> How do I delete/remove a mailing list setup?
> (I accidentally gave a test list the same name as a POP user)

    ~mailman/bin/rmlist -a listname


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From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri May 17 12:50:19 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:50:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing test mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <3CE4CA58.F65BF3B6@pcraft.com>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020517105654.08091f50@focus.lu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517114913.03acfec0@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 03:16 17/05/2002 -0600, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
>Andy McKell wrote:
>
> > This may seem obvious, but I can't find a reference.
> > How do I delete/remove a mailing list setup?
> > (I accidentally gave a test list the same name as a POP user)
>
>     ~mailman/bin/rmlist -a listname

Also remember to delete the mail aliases for the list being deleted rmlist 
doesn't do that bit.





From research at utopiacom.net  Fri May 17 14:13:43 2002
From: research at utopiacom.net (Utopia Research Dept)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:13:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gui works fine but absolutly no mail - at all
Message-ID: <003d01c1fd9c$62339e00$0300a8c0@loom.utopiacom.net>

Hi

Desperately trying to get my mailman 2.0.10 working . The Gui works
perfectly !
But cannot get "sendmail 8.10.2-C1." to work with mailman , so consequently
no email. I have checked the /var/log/maillog and ... not a dicky bird !

I have modified the path statement and made a wrapper link and still no joy.
my aliases file has been updated and newaliases 'd , the mail uid has been
set up when compiled.

When I send a message to the test list it gets bounced user unknown and if I
try to subscribe to the list .. nothing

Should I modify vitusertable ?

my first list is "test"

I don't no what else I can do ! Can somebody point me in the right direction
?

The system is a Sun Cobalt Raq 4i (redhat linux 6.?)

Martin King
Utopia Communications Ltd
Internet Service Providers






From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de  Wed May 15 09:22:49 2002
From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:22:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Cron  /usr/bin/python -S /usr/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs
In-Reply-To: <3CDFC552.37E96E1B@pcraft.com>
References:  <3CDFC552.37E96E1B@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: 

>     You need to update the archive links, and ./bin/move_list does that for
> you.  Read ./bin/move_list -h

Yes.
This did it.
Thank you very much.

- oliver


On Monday, 13. May 2002 you wrote:
> Oliver Egginger wrote:
> > last week I switched from MM 2.07 to MM 2.10
> > and changed the mailman directory from
> >         /home/mailman
> > to
> >         /usr/home/mailman
> >
> > I think I did (almost) all necessary changes cause mailman is still
> > working. But now I receive the following error reports from the crond
> > (from time to time). (See the forwarded message below.)
>
>     After moving your installation directory, did you run ./bin/move_list
> listname ?
>
>     You need to update the archive links, and ./bin/move_list does that for
> you.  Read ./bin/move_list -h





From mac at focus.lu  Fri May 17 14:48:43 2002
From: mac at focus.lu (Andy McKell)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:48:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing test mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517114913.03acfec0@pop.ftel.co.uk>
References: <3CE4CA58.F65BF3B6@pcraft.com>
 <5.0.2.1.0.20020517105654.08091f50@focus.lu>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20020517144817.021b8010@focus.lu>

Thanks, everyone - I got it now

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From danny at terweij.nl  Fri May 17 14:53:27 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:53:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Domain name changing
Message-ID: <00cd01c1fda1$d7055f20$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

Hi,

One of my hosting providers (a dynamicDNS service) has stopped this night.
www.yi.org is not providing the services anymore. See message at
www.weedns.com .

What are the steps for me to change the mailman setup?
Changing the mm_cfg.py and what more to change?

I have to reconfigure my whole network :-( , i am not going to run any
dynamic services again :-). So i did a new domain registration ( a .nl
domain) and will be at the end of the next week active. My
members/listowners/listadmins will be patient till we up and running again
on the new domain name.

So i have some time to reconfigure my network and services.

Groetjes Danny Terweij







From david.proffitt at itn.co.uk  Fri May 17 15:15:50 2002
From: david.proffitt at itn.co.uk (David Proffitt)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:15:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does everything except send mail - solved
Message-ID: <20020517141550.A25968@itn.co.uk>

Realised what the problem was when I tried subscribing a user local to the box
mailman was running on - this worked - so I persuaded qmail to allow relaying
from localhost and all now works fine

DP 

==========================================
David Proffitt, UNIX SysAdmin/Developer
Independent Television News Ltd
david.proffitt at itn.co.uk
==========================================




From kleefstr at mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca  Fri May 17 15:14:48 2002
From: kleefstr at mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca (Jessie Kleefstra)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 09:14:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman problem
Message-ID: 

Is this a bug? One of our customers noticed this with his list. Please see
below.

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Computing & Information Services      Fax: (905) 528-3773
ABB-132
McMaster University

>
> Who is it that I should direct this to? The recently upgraded
> version of mailman seems to have some bugs. In particular,
> aavso-discussion archives are set as public but someone selecting them is
> is shown a "aavso-discussion Private Archives Authentication"
> page requiring a password. I suspect that this problem isn't
> confined to this list!
>






From mrjack at fastorama.com  Fri May 17 16:34:37 2002
From: mrjack at fastorama.com (mrjack at fastorama.com)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 16:34:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem running Mailman new beta with postfix.
Message-ID: <001301c1fdaf$f888bee0$bd575fd4@merlin>

Hi,

I have just installed Mailman for working with postfix ( virtual style
). I can create my list w/o any problems but when i send a mail to the
list i have the folowing error msg :
May 17 16:23:37 aurora postfix/qmgr[28260]: 0293F3EA50:
from=, size=882, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
May 17 16:23:37 aurora postfix/virtual[28270]: 0293F3EA50:
to=<|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post test at fastorama.com>, relay=virtual,
delay=0, status=bounced (unknown user: "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post
test at fastorama.com")

What?s wrong ?
Thanks for your help.

Regards,

Rapha?l





From claw at kanga.nu  Fri May 17 18:56:10 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 09:56:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing test mailing lists 
In-Reply-To: Message from Andy McKell  
   of "Fri, 17 May 2002 10:59:30 +0200." <5.0.2.1.0.20020517105654.08091f50@focus.lu> 
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020517105654.08091f50@focus.lu> 
Message-ID: <17434.1021654570@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 17 May 2002 10:59:30 +0200 
Andy McKell  wrote:

> How do I delete/remove a mailing list setup?  

~mailman/bin/rmlist

-- 
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---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
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From barry at zope.com  Fri May 17 23:18:17 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:18:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b perms
References: <3CDE20C6.C6812378@folkwang-hochschule.de>
	
Message-ID: <15589.29593.484502.21074@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "KC" == Kevin Crawford  writes:

    KC> Hello, what should be permissions on data/aliases and
    KC> data/aliases.db Unless I set the user to mailman and the group
    KC> to postfix - nothing works - those set it does... but is that
    KC> right?

Basically, yes.  Postfix executes the mail programs with the uid of
the owner of the data/aliases.db file, so that file must be owned by
mailman.  I think the group is less important, but probably should be
mailman too.  As for the data/aliases file, I don't think the
ownership matters much, but it should be group owned by mailman.

-Barry





From barry at zope.com  Fri May 17 23:19:11 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:19:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user question
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020510014952.00b7b528@mail.attbi.com>
	<5.1.1.2.2.20020510042015.00b7f6e0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
	<5.1.1.2.2.20020511213037.00b34f80@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20020512094320.00a66120@rlw.best.vwh.net>
Message-ID: <15589.29647.414340.595786@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "BW" == Bob Weissman  writes:

    BW> I hope I'm reading this right; may I infer that these headers
    BW> will be supressable on a per-list basis?

Correct.
-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Fri May 17 23:21:36 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:21:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user question
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020510014952.00b7b528@mail.attbi.com>
	<5.1.1.2.2.20020510042015.00b7f6e0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
	<5.1.1.2.2.20020511213037.00b34f80@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20020512094320.00a66120@rlw.best.vwh.net>
	<20020513044210.GM1887@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <15589.29792.250330.204544@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "MM" == Marc MERLIN  writes:

    MM> Nope, site-wide only.  Barry already knows that mailman 3 will
    MM> probably need a toggle redesign, where most options will be
    MM> sitewide, listwide and even per-user where possible

Oops.  If the site administrator allows it (via an mm_cfg.py
variable), list owners can suppress the RFC 2369 headers.

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Fri May 17 23:24:26 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:24:26 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user question
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020512094320.00a66120@rlw.best.vwh.net>
	<5.1.1.2.2.20020510014952.00b7b528@mail.attbi.com>
	<5.1.1.2.2.20020510042015.00b7f6e0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
	<5.1.1.2.2.20020511213037.00b34f80@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20020513095447.00a6a950@rlw.best.vwh.net>
Message-ID: <15589.29962.286112.518538@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "BW" == Bob Weissman  writes:

    BW> Too bad. If I wanted to implement this myself in 2.0.10, by
    BW> adding a new attribute to mailing lists, is there any way to
    BW> cause the new attribute to be added to existing mailing lists? 
    BW> Or must I rmlist/newlist all of my existing lists to cause
    BW> them to contain the new attribute?

Oh jeez, no. :)

Add the attribute with bin/withlist or bin/config_list and it's
guaranteed to be saved and restored automatically.

This is probably a topic best reserved for mailman-developers.
-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Fri May 17 23:35:22 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:35:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] The moderation/SPAM queue
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020510174755.00b7d268@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
	
	<5.1.1.2.2.20020513185055.00b61610@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
Message-ID: <15589.30618.191877.558528@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "AcLA" == AerosmithFanClub com List Admin
>>>>>  writes:

    AcLA> 	Now thats about the stupidest statement I have ever
    AcLA> seen!  Mail that you dont see on the list does not get to
    AcLA> the list.  Same damn thing.

Dude, please chill.  I think we can get a lot more accomplished on
this list if we respect each other.
    
    AcLA> What people send is another issue.  Folks can send what ever
    AcLA> they want where ever and when ever they want.  As long as it
    AcLA> is blocked from the list then the list does not get the
    AcLA> mail.  I stand by what I said.  If you set up your list
    AcLA> correctly then the list will not get any spam which means
    AcLA> none of the list subscribers will get any spam in their
    AcLA> mailboxes that are a result of being subscribed to the list.

I firmly believe that spam fighting is not Mailman's primary function
in life.  It has some minimal blocks, but I see those as being mostly
ineffective.  That doesn't bother me much though since I believe there
are really excellent spam blocking add-ons, most notably SpamAssassin.
Mailman will keep its built-in blocks because it needs to provide
something out of the box.  But in the same way that 3rd party archives
can be slotted in for better archiving support, I'd like to see a
similar architecture for spam blocks.

There's a number of ways to set up effective spam filters.  You can
set up something like SA at the MTA level, filtering email before it
ever gets to Mailman.  That's what we do on python.org and it's great
because it blocks spam not just to the lists, but to every address
@python.org.

Or you can integrate SA with Mailman so that the spam determination is
part of Mailman's normal moderate-and-munge processing.

Personally, I think the most promising approach is a combination of
the two.  Have SA filter between the MTA and Mailman, automatically
dropping anything with score > N.  For M < score <= N, pass them on
and have Mailman hold them for approval.  For scores 0 < score <= M,
they should get passed through unmodded.

Finding the right values for M and N may be tricky, but from our
experience I think something like 7 or 8 for N is reasonable and
something like 4.5 or 5 for M is reasonable.

-Barry





From barry at zope.com  Fri May 17 23:43:49 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:43:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020513225853.00b7f160@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
	
Message-ID: <15589.31125.557243.110254@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "F" == Fuzzy   writes:

    F> it would be nice if there was a way to set an option to
    F> "assume" reject as a default for posts to closed lists
    F> from non-members without also throwing out subscription
    F> requests. Perhaps something in the future for 2.1?

Sometimes I like to take Guido's time machine out for a spin.  It can
be dangerous[*] but in this case I used it to add this feature to
MM2.1.  Take a look, it's already there!

-Barry

[*] Once, when I inadvertently flipped the glowing lever below my left
knee before I toggled the tongue switch, I stepped out into a world
filled with sentient marmosets carrying cell phones, screaming one
word over and over again into them: Malkovich!

Fortunately Guido's time machine has a big red "UNDO" button.




From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Fri May 17 23:25:58 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:25:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user question
In-Reply-To: <15589.29792.250330.204544@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020510014952.00b7b528@mail.attbi.com> <5.1.1.2.2.20020510042015.00b7f6e0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com> <5.1.1.2.2.20020511213037.00b34f80@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020512094320.00a66120@rlw.best.vwh.net> <20020513044210.GM1887@merlins.org> <15589.29792.250330.204544@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <20020517212558.GD10075@merlins.org>

On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 05:21:36PM -0400, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> Oops.  If the site administrator allows it (via an mm_cfg.py
> variable), list owners can suppress the RFC 2369 headers.

My bad, thanks for the correction.

Marc
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From barry at zope.com  Sat May 18 00:01:23 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:01:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] The moderation/SPAM queue
References: <000a01c1fb43$5b5c22b0$64026c0a@rwilson>
	
Message-ID: <15589.32179.731756.464660@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "EAM" == Eric A Meyer  writes:

    EAM> So I'd been thinking that having a "collapsed" view would
    EAM> help with that.  On the other hand, if 2.1 will offer options
    EAM> to default non-subscriber messages to "discard," as a recent
    EAM> message implied 2.1 would, or even just drop them silently
    EAM> without ever telling me, that might be better.

Actually, MM2.1 will have both.  It will group held messages by sender
and show you a summary on the main admindb page.  You can bulk
approve, reject, or discard all messages from that sender in one
action.  Of course, you can still look at the details of any
particular message to get the MM2.0.10 view of the held message.

Additionally, if the sender is a member of the list, and their
moderation flag is set, you can clear the flag at the same time you
bulk approve their held postings.  Use this for lists where you want
to quarantine members before you allow them to post unmoderated.

If the sender is /not/ a member of the list, when you take a bulk
action on their held messages, you can add them to one of 3
automatic-disposition categories of non-members: approve, discard,
reject.  Add a non-member to the reject category and Mailman will
always bounce messages from that sender without you (the admin)
needing to take any action.  Add them to the discard category and the
message is chucked without a notification going to the sender.

In addition, you can set up a ban-list for non-members.  Say
spammer at evil.corp is becoming a pain and you auto-discard them.  You
might want to ban them from subscribing so they can't subvert your
admin holds by going that route.  If they try to subscribe they get a
bounce. 

-Barry





From barry at zope.com  Sat May 18 00:15:10 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:15:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie - many questions and ideas but mostly how to kill the SPAM
References: <3CE135B7.40D557EE@wretched.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <15589.33006.264328.320888@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "SW" == Simon Waters  writes:

    SW> Unlike many Mailman users these are both open lists
    SW> (i.e. anyone can report bugs!), and have various NNTP gateway
    SW> facilities to "gnu.chess". We have a spam double whammy -
    SW> newsgroups and a well known and widely spammed email addresses
    SW> for both lists.

I feel your pain.  python-list at python.org is gatewayed with
comp.lang.python (similarly python-announce-list and c.l.py.announce,
but that's a moderated newsgroup).

    SW> 1. Can a regular expression be fatal rather than just
    SW> requiring moderation. I have a number of rules with 100% hit
    SW> rate - such as trapping all messages flagged as coming from
    SW> open relays. But the mail admins refuse to drop such mail at
    SW> the MTA level alas.

Not currently (in MM2.1).  I've been thinking about splitting
bounce_matching_headers into three related options:
reject_matching_headers, discard_matching_headers, and
hold_matching_headers.

    SW> 2. How would I write a regular expression in Mailman Privacy
    SW> options to trap Korean characters in the subject line, use of
    SW> 8 bit ASCII characters, or even all subjects containing ?
    SW> (Capital A umlaut) would be sufficient.

Hmm, that's a good one.  Perhaps (untested) something like [\177-\377]?

    SW> 3. Does better documentation on the regular expression
    SW> handling exist, currently only one example is given for a
    SW> "from:" header.  Maybe I'm being thick, but regex regular
    SW> expressions are pretty involved and depend on things like NLS,
    SW> and I'm fairly sure that Mailman is doing a simplified
    SW> versions. Or must I read the source?

The definitive guide is in the Python library reference manual:

http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-re.html

Almost all regular expression matches done with listadmin supplied
regexps are done with the IGNORECASE flag.

    SW> 6. Including the REGEX in the rejection reason would aid
    SW> writing good regex.

Good idea, but probably post-2.1.

    SW> 7. A regex test would be handy - although I guess you'd have
    SW> to apply it to archive messages or some such to get test data.

Another good idea, but for post-2.1.

    SW> 8. A date sanity check - moderate or bounce misdated messages
    SW> (I guess I can use REGEX if I'm clever), a lot of the spam has
    SW> dates in the future or distant past. We already have archives
    SW> to 2034 and not much of it is useful. Anything more than two
    SW> days ahead of current system time is clearly junk IMHO ;)

:)  MM2.1 will have a setting to "fix" outrageously incorrect dates,
current defaulted to 15 days before or after the received time.

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sat May 18 00:19:14 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:19:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie: 2.0.10 not creating lists correctly?
References: <3CE0D745.F5EC79D0@buckosoft.com>
Message-ID: <15589.33250.462694.265195@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "DB" == Dick Balaska  writes:

    DB> So when i type `newlist test` i get a symlink created to
    DB> nowhere.  Is that correct?  /var/mailman/archives/public/test
    DB> -> /var/mailman/archives/private/test

Yes, sadly with MM2.0.x.  It's a buglet (fixed in MM2.1) that your
archives aren't actually created until the first post to the list.

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sat May 18 00:21:21 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:21:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does everything except send mail
References: <20020515130106.A20160@itn.co.uk>
	<1021464374.7916.128.camel@atlas>
Message-ID: <15589.33377.455777.828959@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "AvB" == Adrian von Bidder  writes:

    AvB> Question on that: can mailman be configured to run without
    AvB> cron? I have on my home system a very low traffic list, and
    AvB> it's a bit a cpu waste to run a cron job when I have only 2
    AvB> or 3 messages every few days.

Sure.  cron's not doing anything special exception making sure a
particular program is run periodically.  You can run cron/qrunner
manually whenever you like, although you probably have to run it like
so:

    % python cron/qrunner

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sat May 18 00:22:33 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:22:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1 bounces
References: <3CE25AC3.8090305@softhome.net>
	
Message-ID: <15589.33449.535776.574198@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "KC" == Kevin Crawford  writes:

    KC> Hello All, I am using 2.1b - I added a fake test user and sent
    KC> some messages to the list - seemed that logs/bounce was
    KC> logging the bounces. I then removed that user. A couple of
    KC> days later, today, I added him back, as well as another fake
    KC> user. When I send messages to the list now - nothing is logged
    KC> in logs/bounce . Any ideas how to check to see if these test
    KC> users are going to get chopped? Should the bounce log be
    KC> updated immediate? Anywhere else I can check to see what is
    KC> going down?

Do you see anything in log/errors?

-Barry





From barry at zope.com  Sat May 18 00:27:14 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:27:14 -0400
Subject: Patch to suppress List-* headers on a per-list basis (was Re:
  [Mailman-Users] Help )
References: 
	<5.1.1.2.2.20020513222958.00b5b5a0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
	<5.1.1.2.2.20020513181645.00b5e840@mail.aerosmithfanclub.co m>
	<3CDFB15B.32110.4C45800@localhost>
	<20020513113959.325cde6f.raquel@thericehouse.net>
	<4114C5FDC8297F49BC60F44C0B0B30ED8DBAEE@OAKNCCW2K03.jacobs.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20020514073833.0279dc30@rlw.best.vwh.net>
Message-ID: <15589.33730.785512.796058@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "BW" == Bob Weissman  writes:

    BW> (It took me all of a half hour to figure out how to write this
    BW> patch, by the way, and I didn't even know Python when I
    BW> started. I congratulate the Mailman authors on making the
    BW> software flexible enough to add a new attribute to mlists,
    BW> generate the adin GUI for same automagically, and make
    BW> retrofitting existing lists a simple matter of using
    BW> withlist.)

Cool!  (Python rocks, doesn't it? :)

    BW> Anyway, the FAQ says this particular modification is frowned
    BW> upon, so I didn't submit it. If people want it, I can package
    BW> it up and document it. I imagine that others have also
    BW> implemented this, as it's a pretty obvious change to
    BW> CookHeaders.py and MailList.py. Should I submit mine? If so,
    BW> where should I send it?

I'd say the SF patch manager is the best place for it:

    http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=300103

But I'd like to know if we should have a more visible location for
contributed, unofficial add-ons and patches.  One the one hand, the SF
patch manager isn't a great place for it because I want to be able to
reject (and close!) patches that aren't relevant to the latest
version, or that I don't want to endorse as official.

Hmm, I wonder if we should start something on the Mailman wiki?

http://www.zope.org/Members/bwarsaw/MailmanDesignNotes/FrontPage

?
-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sat May 18 00:29:30 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:29:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MAILMAN_SITE_LIST
References: <000001c1fc62$9e8622f0$1410a8c0@signalbhn.org>
Message-ID: <15589.33866.352214.549413@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "CW" == Chris Wiegand  writes:

    CW> When I try, with Mailman 2.1b1 (yes, I put it into production,
    CW> and no, I haven't upgraded to 2.1b2 yet), to use the
    CW> mailpasswds command, it's giving me this.

    | bash-2.05# ./mailpasswds
    | Site list is missing: mailman

    CW> Any ideas on how to fix this? In my Defaults.py I've got:

    CW> MAILMAN_SITE_LIST = 'mailman'

    CW> which should be unmodified (since one should use mm_cfg.py,
    CW> IIRC).

Did you create the `mailman' list? :)

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sat May 18 00:34:46 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:34:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user question
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020510014952.00b7b528@mail.attbi.com>
	<5.1.1.2.2.20020510042015.00b7f6e0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
	<5.1.1.2.2.20020511213037.00b34f80@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20020512094320.00a66120@rlw.best.vwh.net>
	<20020513044210.GM1887@merlins.org>
	<15589.29792.250330.204544@anthem.wooz.org>
	<20020517212558.GD10075@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <15589.34182.406340.613985@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "MM" == Marc MERLIN  writes:

    >> Oops.  If the site administrator allows it (via an mm_cfg.py
    >> variable), list owners can suppress the RFC 2369 headers.

    MM> My bad, thanks for the correction.

/My/ thanks to all you guys who give such good advice and help to
others on this list.  Every time I do a sweep through my mailman-users
folder I'm constantly, and happily amazed at the generally good sense
of community and mutual help that goes on here.

Thanks,
-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sat May 18 00:02:30 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:02:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approved header option
References: <3CE11DAE.73C88E9F@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <15589.32246.921963.605043@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "KW" == Kory Wheatley  writes:

    KW> In mailman 2.1b.1 How do you use the Approved:password to send
    KW> your message to a moderated list. I'm the owner and I have the
    KW> Emergency Moderation turned on and I what to send my message
    KW> through. I don't want to use the Pending Administrative
    KW> requests web interface to do this. I know in majordomo you can
    KW> do this by adding "Approved:password" to the email message and
    KW> sending it back through.  How is this done in Mailman.

Same way!  Did you try it? :)

Note that Mailman accepts "Approved: password" or "Approve: password"
because I can never remember what the defacto standard is. :)

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sat May 18 00:54:53 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:54:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
References: <15589.31125.557243.110254@anthem.wooz.org>
	
Message-ID: <15589.35389.731781.873903@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "F" == Fuzzy   writes:

    F> I upgraded to 2.1b2+ via cvs and now need to figure out how to
    F> "upgrade" existing lists. is there an easy way to do it from a
    F> script? All our lists are closed lists and we are being swamped
    F> with spams from the far east. All of the spams are in far east
    F> character sets, (meaning they look like line drawing
    F> characters).  I'd like to "edit" all our lists so that that the
    F> default for non-member posts to closed lists is "discard".

The best way to bulk modify a configuration variable is with
bin/withlist, which in MM2.1 can operate on more than one list.

    F> I'm also concerned about the existing per list files.  the doc
    F> says existing lists files are not updated. it suggests doing a
    F> diff with ~mailman/templates and each of the lists, the result
    F> of that was there was no common files. the files in templates
    F> did not exist in the lists files and vise versa.

This is only an issue if you've added list-specific customizations of
the template files.  If you're using the stock templates, everything
will just work.
    
    F> do I need to manually edit anything to have the existing lists
    F> use the new features of 2.1?

Nope.  They get auto-upgraded.
    
    F> is there someplace to set sitewide defaults.

Depends on the default. ;)  MM2.1 uses the same mm_cfg.py config file.
    
    F> In 2.0.10 I made a patch to newlist so it added the pipe to
    F> stripmime to the posting alias. I had newlist append its new
    F> aliases to /etc/mail/mailing.lists (a secondary aliases file,
    F> owned by mailman:mailman), and do the newaliases
    F> (sendmail). the new newlist doesn't have the table/list in it
    F> to modify?

That's all handled by the MTA variable in mm_cfg.py/Defaults.py which
names a module inside Mailman/MTA to glue Mailman to your mail server.
You might want to hack makealiases() in Mailman/MTA/Utils.py

    F> oh, and regards to Guido

Sure thing!
-Barry





From barry at zope.com  Sat May 18 02:12:11 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 20:12:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] LISTS command
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020516030432.00b616a8@aerosmithfans.com>
	<5.1.1.2.2.20020516030809.00b47b90@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
Message-ID: <15589.40027.881790.345004@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "AcLA" == AerosmithFanClub com List Admin
>>>>>  writes:

    AcLA> 1) I am running in a shared environment.  When I send LISTS
    AcLA> to the listname-request address I get a listing of all lists
    AcLA> on the server and NOT just the one(s) for that domain.  My
    AcLA> domain should not be allowed to advertise other webmasters'
    AcLA> lets.  In fact I DON'T WANT TO advertise other lists from my
    AcLA> domain.  Can this be patched somehow?

Fixed in MM2.1cvs.

    AcLA> 2) Why is it that I have to send a request to
    AcLA> listname-request to get a listing of the mailing lists at a
    AcLA> domain.  What if I don't know the name of ANY lists at the
    AcLA> domain?  Shouldn't I (if i can I have not figured out how to
    AcLA> do it) be able to send something to a master mailman address
    AcLA> and get the lists?  Seems pretty logical to me.  I am old
    AcLA> and slow so maybe I missed this one.

Send it to the site list, usually mailman-request at dom.ain

-Barry






From rodolfo at pilas.net  Sat May 18 02:22:30 2002
From: rodolfo at pilas.net (Rodolfo Pilas)
Date: 17 May 2002 21:22:30 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] gate_news
Message-ID: <1021681368.993.20.camel@julieta>

Since some hours ago I have problems with gate_news script, see it:

mailman@> /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 249, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 230, in main
    process_lists(lock)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 164, in process_lists
    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 98, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 504, in Load
    dict, e = self.__load(file)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 479, in __load
    dict = loadfunc(fp)
cPickle.UnpicklingError: invalid load key, '<'.
mailman@> 

I use mailman v. 2.1a3

You can also see:
http://www.espaciolibre.net/cgi-bin/listinfo
because the listinfo shows the same error.

Can you help me?

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From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net  Sat May 18 02:33:10 2002
From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes)
Date: 17 May 2002 17:33:10 -0700
Subject: Patch to suppress List-* headers on a per-list basis (was Re:
	[Mailman-Users] Help )
In-Reply-To: <15589.33730.785512.796058@anthem.wooz.org>
References: 
	<5.1.1.2.2.20020513222958.00b5b5a0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
	<5.1.1.2.2.20020513181645.00b5e840@mail.aerosmithfanclub.co m>
	<3CDFB15B.32110.4C45800@localhost>
	<20020513113959.325cde6f.raquel@thericehouse.net>
	<4114C5FDC8297F49BC60F44C0B0B30ED8DBAEE@OAKNCCW2K03.jacobs.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20020514073833.0279dc30@rlw.best.vwh.net> 
	<15589.33730.785512.796058@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <1021681996.21879.154.camel@galileo.carola.lan>

On Fri, 2002-05-17 at 15:27, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> I'd say the SF patch manager is the best place for it:
> 
>     http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=300103
> 
> But I'd like to know if we should have a more visible location for
> contributed, unofficial add-ons and patches.  One the one hand, the SF
> patch manager isn't a great place for it because I want to be able to
> reject (and close!) patches that aren't relevant to the latest
> version, or that I don't want to endorse as official.
> 
> Hmm, I wonder if we should start something on the Mailman wiki?
> 
> http://www.zope.org/Members/bwarsaw/MailmanDesignNotes/FrontPage

Barry,
That sounds good, or you could create another SF tracker for
contributions. You can transfer the unofficial add-ons/patches that you
want from the patch manager to the new tracker. Just a suggestion.

-- 
Mike Noyes 
http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
http://leaf-project.org/





From barry at zope.com  Sat May 18 04:30:43 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 22:30:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages of one list stuck in queue
References: <3CE3F6B6.7050109@pasanet.fi>
	<3CE3F931.1A76DD92@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <15589.48339.149173.997851@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "AMK" == Ashley M Kirchner  writes:

    AMK>     You have an error in the text of your footer, probably a
    AMK> character that needs to be escaped.

Ashley's right.  You need to upgrade so broken footers like this don't
wedge your lists.  MM2.0.10 should be immune.

-Barry




From chrisw at signalbhn.org  Sat May 18 04:58:04 2002
From: chrisw at signalbhn.org (chrisw at signalbhn.org)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 20:58:04 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MAILMAN_SITE_LIST
In-Reply-To: <15589.33866.352214.549413@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <15589.33866.352214.549413@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <3462.12.254.0.21.1021690684.squirrel@mail.signalbhn.org>

I must admit, I don't think I did.... I just have an everyone and a testing
list. I don't remember reading that I needed a mailman list.. did I skip
something in the docs?


>
>>>>>> "CW" == Chris Wiegand  writes:
>
>    CW> When I try, with Mailman 2.1b1 (yes, I put it into production,
>    CW> and no, I haven't upgraded to 2.1b2 yet), to use the
>    CW> mailpasswds command, it's giving me this.
>
>    | bash-2.05# ./mailpasswds
>    | Site list is missing: mailman
>
>    CW> Any ideas on how to fix this? In my Defaults.py I've got:
>
>    CW> MAILMAN_SITE_LIST = 'mailman'
>
>    CW> which should be unmodified (since one should use mm_cfg.py, CW>
>    IIRC).
>
> Did you create the `mailman' list? :)
>
> -Barry







From Jim at updegraff.com  Sat May 18 16:37:00 2002
From: Jim at updegraff.com (Jim Updegraff)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 09:37:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives in MIME format
Message-ID: <000301c1fe79$7bbf3130$6501a8c0@ws1>

Is there any setting to set the archives into MIME format or otherwise
to view HTML formatted emails?

 

Thanks,

--
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President and ADDA Certified Drafter

Tri-Designs, Inc.
3351 S. Dogwood Ln
Springfield, MO 65809-4201

Voice: 417.890.8820
Fax: 417.890.8821

Email:   Jim at updegraff.com

 

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From tim at maths.tcd.ie  Sat May 18 16:44:34 2002
From: tim at maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 15:44:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MySQL database?
In-Reply-To: <7039.1021602211@kanga.nu>
References:  <7039.1021602211@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <20020518144434.GB56589@boole.maths.tcd.ie>

On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 07:23:31PM -0700, J C Lawrence wrote:
 
> > 2) using MySQL or data from MySQL to include in the mail list.
> 
> Not really possible in 2.0, easier but not done yet in 2.1.  You end up
> doing tricks with ~mailman/bin/add_members until then.

Any reference to these "tricks"?

I'm interested in what may be a slightly different question:
Is there any official way of maintaining a "master" list, perhaps in XML,
so the new user is asked to give some information, eg full name,
which is then kept (somewhere) with the email address?




-- 
Timothy Murphy  
e-mail: tim at maths.tcd.ie
tel: 086-233 6090
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland




From tech at murrain.net  Sat May 18 17:20:07 2002
From: tech at murrain.net (Michelle Murrain)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 11:20:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Detailed documentation on config_list and withlist??
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020518111746.02816008@192.168.1.8>

Is there any more detailed documentation on how to use config_list and 
withlist? I'm not a python programmer, so it's not going to come naturally 
to me. I need to change things like the password of the site (if someone 
has lost it), etc.

Thanks!

.Michelle

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From techguru at multibyte.de  Sat May 18 18:03:59 2002
From: techguru at multibyte.de (Dirk H. Schulz)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 18:03:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce lists
Message-ID: <661953.1021745039@[192.168.215.120]>

I would like to set up announcce lists that cannot be posted to by list 
members or anybody else except a certain adress.

In the admin pages there is the option to define an adress for that, but 
then any other posts from list members or else are held for approval.

Is it possible to configure mailman to automatically delete any posts to 
the list which do not come from the one adress configured for posting?

That would really minimize administration of announce-only-lists.

Dirk




From mman at cobraclub.com  Sat May 18 18:25:40 2002
From: mman at cobraclub.com (Robert Stanley)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 17:25:40 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman User Property
In-Reply-To: <661953.1021745039@[192.168.215.120]>
Message-ID: 

Hi

Quick question, what user properties should mailman have, bin/sh, bin/bash
or something else?

Thanks

Robert





From Jon at TheCityGround.co.uk  Sat May 18 19:16:00 2002
From: Jon at TheCityGround.co.uk (Jon Heath)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 18:16:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman question
Message-ID: <004001c1fe8f$aeadf8e0$9e00a8c0@Jon>

Hi all,

I recently decided to advantage of my webhosts Mailman emailing list
facility.

However I am a little confused on how to set up a read only mailing list.

I would like my subscribe page to look like the options on this one:

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-announce

but currently it looks like this one:

http://www.nutmegged.net/mailman/listinfo/nutmegged_nutmegged.net

How do I get rid of the option "To post a message to all the list members,
send email to Nutmegged at nutmegged. " in admin?...

Thanks

Jon Heath





From techguru at multibyte.de  Sat May 18 19:22:50 2002
From: techguru at multibyte.de (Dirk H. Schulz)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 19:22:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to use the archives
Message-ID: <945857.1021749770@[192.168.215.120]>

What do I need to search the archives of mailman-users?

I can dowmload the complete raw archive, but what then??

Any hint is appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Dirk




From techguru at multibyte.de  Sat May 18 19:45:50 2002
From: techguru at multibyte.de (Dirk H. Schulz)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 19:45:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to translate the buttons on the web pages
Message-ID: <1028616.1021751150@[192.168.215.120]>

I have successfully translated nearly all of the text on the list info page 
into German.

Now I do not find where to translate the text on the buttons and the few 
text parts which are not in the html itself (e. g. the text supplied by 
).

Can anybody tell me where to change that?

Any hint is appreciated.

Dirk




From tim at maths.tcd.ie  Sat May 18 20:29:02 2002
From: tim at maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 19:29:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user question
In-Reply-To: <15589.29962.286112.518538@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020512094320.00a66120@rlw.best.vwh.net> <5.1.1.2.2.20020510014952.00b7b528@mail.attbi.com> <5.1.1.2.2.20020510042015.00b7f6e0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com> <5.1.1.2.2.20020511213037.00b34f80@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020513095447.00a6a950@rlw.best.vwh.net> <15589.29962.286112.518538@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <20020518182902.GA62423@boole.maths.tcd.ie>

On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 05:24:26PM -0400, barry at zope.com wrote:

> This is probably a topic best reserved for mailman-developers.

This seems to me true of many, probably most,of the postings on this list.
As a simple criterion, I would prefer if issues that required one
to alter the existing software in some way --
and so normally required superuser privileges --
were passed to the developer list.

The list is getting so "heavy" that I will have to leave it soon.
Maybe I am in a small minority, in which case this will not matter to anyone else.
But possibly my view is a more general one?

I take the position of one who is "owner" of several lists,
but who is not concerned in any way with "system administrator" tasks.
If something cannot be done with the program as is,
I regard that as an act of God beyond my ken.


-- 
Timothy Murphy  
e-mail: tim at maths.tcd.ie
tel: 086-233 6090
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland




From nb at thinkcoach.com  Sat May 18 20:28:53 2002
From: nb at thinkcoach.com (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 20:28:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user question
In-Reply-To: <20020518182902.GA62423@boole.maths.tcd.ie> (message from Timothy
	Murphy on Sat, 18 May 2002 19:29:02 +0100)
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020512094320.00a66120@rlw.best.vwh.net> <5.1.1.2.2.20020510014952.00b7b528@mail.attbi.com> <5.1.1.2.2.20020510042015.00b7f6e0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com> <5.1.1.2.2.20020511213037.00b34f80@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020513095447.00a6a950@rlw.best.vwh.net> <15589.29962.286112.518538@anthem.wooz.org> <20020518182902.GA62423@boole.maths.tcd.ie>
Message-ID: <200205181828.g4IISrk02093@quill.local>

Timothy Murphy  wrote:

> I take the position of one who is "owner" of several lists,
> but who is not concerned in any way with "system administrator" tasks.
> If something cannot be done with the program as is,
> I regard that as an act of God beyond my ken.

In this case the Mailman ListOwners list is for you.

See http://ListOwner.org

Greetings, Norbert.

-- 
A founder of the http://DotGNU.org project and Steering Committee member
Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet   (near Zurich, Switzerland)
Tel +41 1 972 20 59         Fax +41 1 972 20 69        http://norbert.ch
List hosting with GNU Mailman on your own domain name   http://cisto.com




From tim at maths.tcd.ie  Sat May 18 21:14:54 2002
From: tim at maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 20:14:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user question
In-Reply-To: <200205181828.g4IISrk02093@quill.local>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020512094320.00a66120@rlw.best.vwh.net> <5.1.1.2.2.20020510014952.00b7b528@mail.attbi.com> <5.1.1.2.2.20020510042015.00b7f6e0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com> <5.1.1.2.2.20020511213037.00b34f80@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020513095447.00a6a950@rlw.best.vwh.net> <15589.29962.286112.518538@anthem.wooz.org> <20020518182902.GA62423@boole.maths.tcd.ie> <200205181828.g4IISrk02093@quill.local>
Message-ID: <20020518191454.GB63590@boole.maths.tcd.ie>

On Sat, May 18, 2002 at 08:28:53PM +0200, Norbert Bollow wrote:
 
> > I take the position of one who is "owner" of several lists,
> > but who is not concerned in any way with "system administrator" tasks.
> > If something cannot be done with the program as is,
> > I regard that as an act of God beyond my ken.
> 
> In this case the Mailman ListOwners list is for you.
> 
> See http://ListOwner.org

Thank you for pointing this out to me.
I've subscribed to it,
though a quick look showed that to date
most of the postings are concerned with the list itself
rather than mailman.

Hopefully, contributions of the type I mentioned --
those that are concerned with running lists
rather than modifying the software --
will gradually move from mailman-users to ListOwner.

I must say the term "mailman-user" seems misleading
for most of the postings in that list,
which are actually concerned with development rather than use.
However, I suppose that is not an important matter.

-- 
Timothy Murphy  
e-mail: tim at maths.tcd.ie
tel: 086-233 6090
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland




From rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net  Sat May 18 22:08:52 2002
From: rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net (Bob Weissman)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 13:08:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman question
In-Reply-To: <004001c1fe8f$aeadf8e0$9e00a8c0@Jon>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020518130154.02ea0840@rlw.best.vwh.net>

At 10:16 AM 5/18/02, Jon Heath wrote:
>I am a little confused on how to set up a read only mailing list.
>I would like my subscribe page to look like the options on this one:
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-announce
>but currently it looks like this one:
>http://www.nutmegged.net/mailman/listinfo/nutmegged_nutmegged.net
>
>How do I get rid of the option "To post a message to all the list members,
>send email to Nutmegged at nutmegged. " in admin?...

You will have to hand-edit the list's copy of listinfo.html. You can do this from the web interface ("Edit the HTML for the public list pages") or from the shell using your favorite editor.

Warning: the indentation in this file is not always indicative of the actual HTML structure. Kind of strange, coming from a Python programmer. :-) Does anyone know of a pretty-printer which can reformat the indentation of an HTML file?

- Bob





From sarah at uow.edu.au  Thu May 16 08:50:56 2002
From: sarah at uow.edu.au (Sarah Walters)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 16:50:56 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists
Message-ID: <20020516165056.R25919@uow.edu.au>

As far as I can tell, Mailman does not have proper support for umbrella lists.
We have a need for lists that are aggregations of other lists.
EG: all_general_staff might look like:

:include:/packages/majordomo/lists/dept1_staff
:include:/packages/majordomo/lists/dept2_staff
:include:/packages/majordomo/lists/dept3_staff
:include:/packages/majordomo/lists/dept4_staff
person at uow.edu.au
aperson at uow.edu.au
theperson at uow.edu.au
notaperson at uow.edu.au


A staff member might be a member of both dept1_staff and dept2_staff. How do
we prevent them from receiving two emails, while having [all_general_staff]
prepended to the subject line? If this has not been done, can you add it to
the wishlist, and we could possibly pitch in as there are several python
programmers here.

-- 
Mrs Sarah Walters					sarah at uow.edu.au
Information Technology Services				Bld 17 Level 2
The University of Wollongong				Ph: +61 2 4221 3775




From neil at darlow.co.uk  Thu May 16 18:23:26 2002
From: neil at darlow.co.uk (Neil Darlow)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 17:23:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't subscribe to my lists
Message-ID: <200205161623.g4GGNSI51344@router.darlow.co.uk>

Hi,

I'm attempting to use Mailman-2.0.10 with sendmail-8.11.6 on  FreeBSD-4.5.

I've installed Mailman from the FreeBSD ports collection and configured it as 
per the INSTALL document.

I've checked that aliases exist for Mailman itself and my list and that a 
crontab is in place.

My problem is as follows:

I can access my list's listinfo page and fill-out the subscription details. 
Posting the subscription form e-mails a confirmation request to the 
subscriber e-mail address and the list owner address.

Replying to the confirmation e-mail produces nothing. I would expect a 
welcome message confirming my subscription but nothing is returned at all.

Checking the sendmail logs shows all e-mail transfers for the subscribe are 
successful with DSNs of 2.0.0 and checking mailman's logs/error reveals no 
errors while logs/smtp reveals two outgoing mail messages processed. 
logs/subscribe shows the subscription as pending as does a dumpdb of the 
data/pending_subscriptions.db file.

My list has been configured as not-externally-visible with member-only 
posting, if that's any help.

It appears that the subscription process has been initiated but stalled for 
some reason. There are no cron-related errors either.

Any suggestions gratefully accepted. Please CC me as I'm not subscribed to 
the list.

Regards,
Neil Darlow M.Sc.
-- 
1024D/531F9048 1999-09-11 Neil Darlow 
GPG Fingerprint = 359D B8FF 6273 6C32 BEAA  43F9 E579 E24A 531F 9048




From doyle at watchdog.sytes.net  Thu May 16 19:10:19 2002
From: doyle at watchdog.sytes.net (doyle)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:10:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown user test@blah.com
Message-ID: <20020516130616.E9737-100000@watchdog.hn.org>

I just setup mailman from ports in FreeBSD running postfix.

The installation worked.  I setup a test list but anytime i send mail to
it I get a return to sender mail.

here's an entry from my maillog:

May 16 12:59:56 watchdog postfix/local[9674]: CE86FCEBF:
to=, relay=local, delay=1, status=bounced
(unknown user: "test")

I have set the mailman aliases and run newaliases.  I have also set the
cron jobs.  Do I need to add a "test" user to my system that corresponds
to the "test" list name?  I'm not quite sure where I need to go from here.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

- Adam





From doowop6 at bellsouth.net  Sat May 18 00:35:30 2002
From: doowop6 at bellsouth.net (Doowop)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:35:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help
Message-ID: <3CE585B2.B84D1278@bellsouth.net>

isn't there a quicker way to mark a member as no mail? I wish there were
a method similar to the add member function . (I could paste a list of
email addresses that didn't want to get mail any more)

--










From sachin_agrawal at persistent.co.in  Sat May 18 11:24:58 2002
From: sachin_agrawal at persistent.co.in (Sachin O. Agrawal)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 14:54:58 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Mailman
Message-ID: 

Hello,

I have successfully installed and configured Mailman, but posting
messages does not seems to be working.

I tried posting messages manually using

"cat /var/mail/list | /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post list"

But archive link still does not work. The directory "list.mbox"
itself is empty.

Can you help me with this ?

Thanks
Sachin




From ashley at pcraft.com  Sun May 19 00:04:04 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 16:04:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't subscribe to my lists
References: <200205161623.g4GGNSI51344@router.darlow.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3CE6CFD4.9D52DD86@pcraft.com>

Neil Darlow wrote:

> Replying to the confirmation e-mail produces nothing. I would expect a
> welcome message confirming my subscription but nothing is returned at all.

    Did you configure your mailman crontab?

--
H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner    .   303.442.6410 x130
  Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.






From ashley at pcraft.com  Sun May 19 00:05:42 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 16:05:42 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Detailed documentation on config_list and withlist??
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020518111746.02816008@192.168.1.8>
Message-ID: <3CE6D036.C900229B@pcraft.com>

Michelle Murrain wrote:

> Is there any more detailed documentation on how to use config_list and
> withlist? I'm not a python programmer, so it's not going to come naturally
> to me. I need to change things like the password of the site (if someone
> has lost it), etc.

    Site password gets changed with ~mailman/bin/mmsitepass

--
H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner    .   303.442.6410 x130
  Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.






From ashley at pcraft.com  Sun May 19 00:09:25 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 16:09:25 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Mailman
References: 
Message-ID: <3CE6D115.B63D80C@pcraft.com>

"Sachin O. Agrawal" wrote:

> I have successfully installed and configured Mailman, but posting
> messages does not seems to be working.

    When you say "not working", are your messages not being posted at all?  Do they appear to go in limbo?  If so, did you configure your mailman crontab?

--
H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner    .   303.442.6410 x130
  Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.






From ashley at pcraft.com  Sun May 19 00:12:32 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 16:12:32 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown user test@blah.com
References: <20020516130616.E9737-100000@watchdog.hn.org>
Message-ID: <3CE6D1D0.C763AA36@pcraft.com>

doyle wrote:

> May 16 12:59:56 watchdog postfix/local[9674]: CE86FCEBF:
> to=, relay=local, delay=1, status=bounced
> (unknown user: "test")
>
> I have set the mailman aliases and run newaliases.  I have also set the
> cron jobs.  Do I need to add a "test" user to my system that corresponds
> to the "test" list name?  I'm not quite sure where I need to go from here.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    No physical user needed, no.  I'm not sure how postfix handles aliases either, but it seems to me either the new aliases didn't take, or postfix is having some serious issues against you.

--
H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner    .   303.442.6410 x130
  Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.






From klaus.m.pfeiffer at kmp.or.at  Sun May 19 14:45:40 2002
From: klaus.m.pfeiffer at kmp.or.at (Klaus Maria Pfeiffer)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 14:45:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] paranoid, subscriber data to the world
Message-ID: <200205191440.57910@kmp.or.at>

hi!

i know, i'm paranoid, but everybody can enter a foreign email address in 
listinfo and get the settings of a subscriber.

is there a way to switch of this behavior?

greetings & big thanks, Klaus

-- 
sent-via: kmp.or.at
http://www.kmp.or.at/




From techguru at multibyte.de  Sun May 19 17:26:33 2002
From: techguru at multibyte.de (Dirk H. Schulz)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 17:26:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No public lists any more
Message-ID: <42317.1021829193@[192.168.215.120]>

Yesterday I set up and configured a few lists as public lists, and that 
worked: they were shown on the listinfo page of the server.

Today they do not show up, the listinfo page claims that there are no 
public lists at the server. But I did not change anything! And if I look 
into the configuration web pages of every list they are set as public.

Was is going on there?

Thanks for any help and hint.

Dirk




From barry at zope.com  Sun May 19 18:22:29 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 12:22:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] paranoid, subscriber data to the world
References: <200205191440.57910@kmp.or.at>
Message-ID: <15591.53573.931102.324205@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "KMP" == Klaus Maria Pfeiffer  writes:

    KMP> i know, i'm paranoid, but everybody can enter a foreign email
    KMP> address in listinfo and get the settings of a subscriber.

    KMP> is there a way to switch of this behavior?

MM2.1 fixes this.
-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sun May 19 18:32:19 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 12:32:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user question
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020512094320.00a66120@rlw.best.vwh.net>
	<5.1.1.2.2.20020510014952.00b7b528@mail.attbi.com>
	<5.1.1.2.2.20020510042015.00b7f6e0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
	<5.1.1.2.2.20020511213037.00b34f80@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20020513095447.00a6a950@rlw.best.vwh.net>
	<15589.29962.286112.518538@anthem.wooz.org>
	<20020518182902.GA62423@boole.maths.tcd.ie>
	<200205181828.g4IISrk02093@quill.local>
	<20020518191454.GB63590@boole.maths.tcd.ie>
Message-ID: <15591.54163.396585.772838@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "TM" == Timothy Murphy  writes:

    TM> I must say the term "mailman-user" seems misleading for most
    TM> of the postings in that list, which are actually concerned
    TM> with development rather than use.  However, I suppose that is
    TM> not an important matter.

mailman-users might be misnamed, but I think it serves a useful
purpose.  It currently seems to be primary geared toward folks who are
having problems or questions in setting up their Mailman sites,
hooking it up to their MTAs and web servers, tuning it for their
particular domains, etc.  That stuff does tend to get a bit technical,
but I also think that that information is off-topic for
mailman-developers.

mailman-developers is really for folks playing with the current betas,
finding and reporting bugs, and discussion and helping with getting
MM2.1 towards final release.  Eventually we'll turn our attentions to
MM3 (but not yet, please! ;).  If you're hacking on the system,
mailman-developers is the place to be.

For folks who are list administrators without shell access to their
Mailman system, I believe listowners.org is probably the best forum,
although I wouldn't completely ban such topics from mailman-users.  I
must admit that when I created the lists I never thought about folks
who are using Mailman on hosted domains, mostly because all the early
adopters where running it on their own systems!  But I'm really glad
that Mailman's being used in those environments, and it does point the
way toward the future of making these types of managed systems sans
shell access easier to use.

So listowners.org provides a very useful service, and I endorse
Norbert's efforts to get that up and running, and to advertise it.

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sun May 19 18:33:13 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 12:33:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists
References: <20020516165056.R25919@uow.edu.au>
Message-ID: <15591.54217.911365.812415@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "SW" == Sarah Walters  writes:

    SW> As far as I can tell, Mailman does not have proper support for
    SW> umbrella lists.

FWIW, I don't like the design of the current umbrella list feature.  I
believe I know the way to do such things better, but it will have to
wait until after MM2.1.

-Barry




From mlslists at creativethinkinginc.com  Sun May 19 22:33:33 2002
From: mlslists at creativethinkinginc.com (Matt Shirel)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 15:33:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + htdig error/warning messages
Message-ID: 

Sorry if this is off topic, but I'm not sure where else to look for answers
since my use of HTDig is entirely Mailman driven...  Any
thoughts/suggestions would be greatly appreciated...

When the nightly_htdig cron job runs, it generates the following message:

DB2 problem...: /var/lib/htdig/db.metaphone.db: Permission denied
DB2 problem...: /var/lib/htdig/db.soundex.db: Permission denied

Mailman 2.0.8 w/ htdig patches applied
htdig-3.2.0-1.b4.0.72 (RedHat 7.2 RPM)
htdig-web-3.2.0-1.b4.0.72 (RedHat 7.2 RPM)
python-1.5.2-35 (RedHat 7.2 RPM)

TIA.

MATT







From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun May 19 22:52:52 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 16:52:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + htdig error/warning messages
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <200205192048.g4JKmw732719@salsa.haht.com>

After you installed htdig, did you follow the htdig install directions for 
generating the metaphone and soundex databases?

Do the databases in fact exist on your system?  Named properly?

If you are not using sound-alikes etc, then you shouldn't have it configured 
in your htdig configuration file.  If you are allowing the "sound alike" 
options then you need to generate those databases and set the locations for 
them correctly in the htdig configuration file.

Good Luck
 --- Original Message: Sunday 19 May 2002 04:33 pm ---
> Sorry if this is off topic, but I'm not sure where else to look for answers
> since my use of HTDig is entirely Mailman driven...  Any
> thoughts/suggestions would be greatly appreciated...
>
> When the nightly_htdig cron job runs, it generates the following message:
>
> DB2 problem...: /var/lib/htdig/db.metaphone.db: Permission denied
> DB2 problem...: /var/lib/htdig/db.soundex.db: Permission denied
>
> Mailman 2.0.8 w/ htdig patches applied
> htdig-3.2.0-1.b4.0.72 (RedHat 7.2 RPM)
> htdig-web-3.2.0-1.b4.0.72 (RedHat 7.2 RPM)
> python-1.5.2-35 (RedHat 7.2 RPM)
>
> TIA.
>
> MATT
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From research at utopiacom.net  Mon May 20 00:06:37 2002
From: research at utopiacom.net (Utopia Research Dept)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 23:06:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New User - Sendmail problem
Message-ID: <00a901c1ff81$72cce820$0300a8c0@loom.utopiacom.net>

I cannot send or respond to list as the following error/s occur :-

###

May 19 22:33:42 www3 smrsh: uid 8: attempt to use smrsh -c
mailman_wrapper.mailcmd.test2

May 19 22:33:42 www3 sendmail[15294]: g4JLXg015293: to="|/usr/sbin/smrsh -c
"mailman_wrapper mailcmd test2", ctladdr=
(8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=31040, dsn=5.0.0,
stat=Service unavailable

May 19 22:33:42 www3 sendmail[15294]: g4JLXg015293: g4JLXg015294: DSN:
Service unavailable

###

I have:-
1) added a symbolic link "mailman_wrapper -> /home/mailman/mail/wrapper" to
/usr/adm/sm.bin/
2) added the necessary aliases
3) and applied newaliases
4) make clean
5)  ./configure --with-mail-gid=140 --with-cgi-gid=11 (as logs told me)
6) make install
7) /home/mailman/Mailman/bin/check_perms (no errors)
8) crontab crontab.in

I am wondering about my syntax  in aliases file (see below):-

## test2 mailing list
## created: 17-May-2002 mailman

test2:                   "|/usr/sbin/smrsh -c "mailman_wrapper post test2"
# as per my logic
#test2:                   "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test2"    #as
per newlist instructions

test2-admin:             "|/usr/sbin/smrsh -c "mailman_wrapper mailowner
test2"
#test2-admin:             "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test2"

test2-request:           "|/usr/sbin/smrsh -c "mailman_wrapper mailcmd
test2"
#test2-request:           "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test2"
test2-owner:             test2-admin



and my virtusertable (I don't think I have a problem here because mail gets
as far as sendmail !!)

test2 at lists.utopiacom.net       test2
test2-admin at lists.utopiacom.net test2-admin
test2-request at lists.utopiacom.net       test2-request
test2-owner at lists.utopiacom.net         test2-owner
postmaster at lists.utopiacom.net  postmaster    # not needed but why not just
for the heck of it
admin at lists.utopiacom.net       admin    # not needed but why not just for
the heck of it
MAILER-DAEMON at lists.utopiacom.net       MAILER-DAEMON      # not needed but
why not just for the heck of it

@lists.utopiacom.net    error:nouser  551  No such user here !    # not
needed but why not just for the heck of it
#@lists.utopiacom.net     /dev/null     # might have to - lets see !!

####


I hope that someone has come accross similar issues (in the nicest possible
way) and may be able to point me in
the right direction

many thanks
martin king
utopiacommunications ltd






From David.Farrar at parliament.govt.nz  Mon May 20 01:51:49 2002
From: David.Farrar at parliament.govt.nz (David Farrar)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:51:49 +1200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] E-mail commands
Message-ID: <6D5631C49C272947ACB5E7236535934A015C1185@psex02.ps.ad.parliament.govt.nz>

Hi,

I've forgotten and can't easily find a reference to what e-mails commands one can use to subscribe or unsubscribe from a mailman list and need this for a website form.

Can someone please refresh my memory.

Many thanks


DPF




From jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org  Mon May 20 02:39:30 2002
From: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org (Jim Hale)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 19:39:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] E-mail commands
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

[listname]-request at mail.example.com with either subscribe, unsubscribe
or help as the subject/body. :)

Jim Hale
---
Jim & Kathy's Website Collection
http://hale.dyndns.org

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org 
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of David Farrar
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 6:52 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] E-mail commands
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've forgotten and can't easily find a reference to what 
> e-mails commands one can use to subscribe or unsubscribe from 
> a mailman list and need this for a website form.
> 
> Can someone please refresh my memory.
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> 
> DPF
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org 
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailma> n-users
> Mailman 
> FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 





From curtisburns at qwest.net  Sun May 19 03:48:33 2002
From: curtisburns at qwest.net (Curtis Burns)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 18:48:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020518184734.00ab4420@pop.mpls.qwest.net>

I am a new user of Mailman through GISOL.com.  Is there a limit to the 
number of subscribers one can have on a list?

Sincerely,
Curtis Burns

From neil at darlow.co.uk  Sun May 19 14:57:34 2002
From: neil at darlow.co.uk (Neil Darlow)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:57:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't subscribe to my lists
In-Reply-To: <3CE6CFD4.9D52DD86@pcraft.com>
References: <200205161623.g4GGNSI51344@router.darlow.co.uk> <3CE6CFD4.9D52DD86@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <200205191257.g4JCvZs83779@router.darlow.co.uk>

Hi Ashley,

On Saturday 18 May 2002 23:04, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
>     Did you configure your mailman crontab?

Yes. As it turned out, the Mailman installation itself was flawless. The 
problem was with the sendmail aliases.

The aliases output by newlist resulted in the -request alias occupying the 
full width of my screen. When I copied and pasted the aliases into my Mailman 
aliases file this resulted in the -request and -owner aliases being merged.

It appears that under these circumstances, i.e. a malformed -request alias, 
Mailman silently ignores anything sent via the alias.

It's all working happily now. Thank you.

Regards,
Neil Darlow M.Sc.
-- 
1024D/531F9048 1999-09-11 Neil Darlow 
GPG Fingerprint = 359D B8FF 6273 6C32 BEAA  43F9 E579 E24A 531F 9048




From sachin_agrawal at persistent.co.in  Mon May 20 06:07:15 2002
From: sachin_agrawal at persistent.co.in (Sachin O. Agrawal)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 09:37:15 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Mailman
In-Reply-To: <3CE6D115.B63D80C@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: 

Hello,

I sent the mail to the list and after authorizing the same
from admin page for that list in the browser, list achieve
link still says forbidden. I checked the achieve folder, it
was empty.

Also how do I set the list as totally public, meaning non
members too need not require admin/owner confirmation.

Thanks
Sachin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ashley M. Kirchner [mailto:ashley at pcraft.com]
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 3:39 AM
> To: sachin_agrawal at persistent.co.in
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Mailman
> 
> 
> "Sachin O. Agrawal" wrote:
> 
> > I have successfully installed and configured Mailman, but posting
> > messages does not seems to be working.
> 
>     When you say "not working", are your messages not being 
> posted at all?  Do they appear to go in limbo?  If so, did you 
> configure your mailman crontab?
> 
> --
> H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner
>   +--------------------------------------------------------------------
>   Ashley M. Kirchner    .   303.442.6410 x130
>   Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130
>   Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6
>   http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.
> 
> 
> 




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon May 20 15:46:14 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:46:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + htdig error/warning messages
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020520143059.00aeaec0@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 15:33 19/05/2002 -0500, Matt Shirel wrote:
>Sorry if this is off topic, but I'm not sure where else to look for answers
>since my use of HTDig is entirely Mailman driven...  Any
>thoughts/suggestions would be greatly appreciated...
>
>When the nightly_htdig cron job runs, it generates the following message:
>
>DB2 problem...: /var/lib/htdig/db.metaphone.db: Permission denied
>DB2 problem...: /var/lib/htdig/db.soundex.db: Permission denied

If you are using the MM-htdig integration patch 444884 off sourceforge, 
this is a 'feature'. Not a good one I'll grant you.

I'm just about to post a revised version of this MM-htdig patch for 2.0.10 
(should be OK for 2.0.8 too), which should remove the feature.

In the interim I think you can get rid of it by setting permissions on the 
htdig's default COMMON_DIR (see under the General:Configuration link on 
http://htdig.org for further explanation) so that the mailman UID has write 
permissions to that directory.

I'll let you know when the revised patch is posted.

>Mailman 2.0.8 w/ htdig patches applied
>htdig-3.2.0-1.b4.0.72 (RedHat 7.2 RPM)
>htdig-web-3.2.0-1.b4.0.72 (RedHat 7.2 RPM)
>python-1.5.2-35 (RedHat 7.2 RPM)





From Jim at updegraff.com  Mon May 20 15:59:49 2002
From: Jim at updegraff.com (Jim Updegraff)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 08:59:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Selective archive deleting
Message-ID: <002601c20006$9ec8aab0$6501a8c0@ws1>

Is there a way to do selective message deleting out of the archives for
inappropriate posts or messages posted containing viruses?

 

Thanks,

--
Jim Updegraff
President and ADDA Certified Drafter

Tri-Designs, Inc.
3351 S. Dogwood Ln
Springfield, MO 65809-4201

Voice: 417.890.8820
Fax: 417.890.8821

Email:   Jim at updegraff.com

 

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From reed at affero.com  Mon May 20 18:12:14 2002
From: reed at affero.com (Christopher Reed)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 09:12:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscription time out
Message-ID: <3CE9205E.660C6F1E@affero.com>

Is it possible in mailman to set up a subscription time out? 

What I mean by that is if someone want to subscribe for one week, one
month, 6 months, one year or indefinitely can they do that at the time
of 
subscribing? And if so can you point me to where subscription is being
used like that?

Thanks - Chris
-- 
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http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=creed&p=LAF
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From chrisw at signalbhn.org  Mon May 20 17:04:46 2002
From: chrisw at signalbhn.org (Chris Wiegand)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 09:04:46 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists not showing up on port...
Message-ID: <000201c2000f$aed4db50$160fa8c0@signalbhn.org>

I was using mailing on a machine where apache served both port 80 and 81 (81
was the port we had to use for extenal access). If I go to the mailman site
on either port, it sees the name as mail.signalbhn.org, no problem, and
lists the list. However, I just added port 82, as we have to move to that
port now, and when I go to it on port 82, it sees the name as
mail.signalbhn.org:82, and so no lists show up... I can't seem to figure out
why it doesn't do that on port 81, or why it does do it on port 82... Any
way I can reset the lists so they're on the new port?






From barry at zope.com  Mon May 20 20:05:21 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:05:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.0.11
Message-ID: <15593.15073.61526.436079@anthem.wooz.org>

I'm announcing the release of Mailman 2.0.11 which fixes two
cross-site scripting exploits, one reported by "office" in the admin
login page, and another reported by Tristan Roddis in the Pipermail
index summaries.

It is recommended that all sites upgrade their 2.0.x systems to this
version.

As usual, I've made both full source tarballs and patches available.
See

    http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103

for links to download all the patches and the source tarball.  If you
decide to install the patches, please do read the release notes first:

    http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=63042

See also:

    http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman
    http://www.list.org
    http://mailman.sf.net

Cheers,
-Barry




From athira at poornam.com  Mon May 20 11:36:10 2002
From: athira at poornam.com (Athira)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 15:06:10 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List problem - please help!!!
Message-ID: 

Hi,

      Could you please help. Users are unable to subscribe to our mailing 
list ( Mailman version 2.0.8 ). The subscribe logs said 

"May 19 21:24:57 2002 (7623) gh1test_gh1.com: pending athira at poornam.com  
210.18.10.10
May 19 21:32:48 2002 (5828) gh1test_gh1.com: pending we_cares at hotmail.com  
210.18.10.10
May 19 22:03:21 2002 (30305) gh1test_gh1.com: new davidw at burst.net
May 19 22:28:11 2002 (29420) gh1test_gh1.com: pending techs at poornam.com  
210.18.10.10"

[The address shown as added in the logs was added via the backend using the 
script add_members.] On filling the subscription form I am getting the 
confirmation mail without any trouble. So I guess the mailowner script is 
working fine. But on filling the subscription form and sending the 
confirmation mail through front end, the pending list is coming up with no 
from field in it.. All the pending subscription requests are looking 
identical with absolutely no data to distinguish them. The 
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/data/pending_subscriptions.db file does 
contain the pending subscriber IDs. I compared the code of the scripts mailcmd and post with those in 
another working server and couldn't find any difference between the two. The 
permissions are set to 644 for the python scripts in 
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/scripts and for those in bin it is set to 
755 except for the paths.py and paths.pyc scripts which have a 644 
permission. Also, those members who are already added are having trouble 
posting the mails. I don't know what other data I could provide. Could you 
please advise. Thank you.

Have a nice day.
regards,
Athira.




From bcook at poklib.org  Mon May 20 14:50:30 2002
From: bcook at poklib.org (B. Cook)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 08:50:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looking to recover admin password...
Message-ID: <20020520085030.A48846@poklib.org>

Hello,

	I'm taking over a mailman mailing list for someone that cannot
	seem to remember the admin password.  I can't seem to find
	anything covering this, which I think is odd.. but so be it.
	
	Anyone have any helpful info?

	Brian
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From ch_nasirnasir617 at hotmail.com  Mon May 20 19:22:23 2002
From: ch_nasirnasir617 at hotmail.com (ch_nasir)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 22:22:23 +0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help
Message-ID: 

my name ch_nasir. i am doing the forget passward. plz tell me creact passwared.my E -mail adderss is ch_nasirnasir617 at hotmail.com
  
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From garyv at cips.nokia.com  Mon May 20 20:37:44 2002
From: garyv at cips.nokia.com (Gary Verhulp)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:37:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Pre Archive" Mailman lists?
Message-ID: <3CE94278.1060809@cips.nokia.com>

I have just converted over to using Mailman out our site. I works great. 
I love it.
The users seem to like it.  

Does anyone know how I could Take a UNIX style mailbox file and create a 
Mailman
archive of it.

Thanks

Gary Verhulp





From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Mon May 20 21:05:17 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn?= Nettingsmeier)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 21:05:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020518184734.00ab4420@pop.mpls.qwest.net>
Message-ID: <3CE948ED.DE371CFD@folkwang-hochschule.de>

Curtis Burns wrote:
> 
> I am a new user of Mailman through GISOL.com.  Is there a limit to the
> number of subscribers one can have on a list?

(1) choose better subjects
(2) read the faq
(3) have fun.

j?rn




From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Mon May 20 21:09:50 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn?= Nettingsmeier)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 21:09:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to use the archives
References: <945857.1021749770@[192.168.215.120]>
Message-ID: <3CE949FE.2F371B72@folkwang-hochschule.de>

"Dirk H. Schulz" wrote:
> 
> What do I need to search the archives of mailman-users?
> 
> I can dowmload the complete raw archive, but what then??
> 
> Any hint is appreciated. Thanks in advance.

marc.theaimsgroup.com has a searchable archive.




From matt at remedyx.com  Mon May 20 22:10:09 2002
From: matt at remedyx.com (Matt Thoene)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 13:10:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looking to recover admin password...
Message-ID: <163294127372.20020520131009@remedyx.com>

Hello B.,

Monday, May 20, 2002, 5:50:30 AM, B. Cook wrote:

> I'm taking over a mailman mailing list for someone that cannot
>         seem to remember the admin password.  I can't seem to find
>         anything covering this, which I think is odd.. but so be it.
        
>         Anyone have any helpful info?

If you have access to the machine, there's a script in
/path/to/mailman/bin/ called 'mmsitepass' that should do the trick.

-- 
Regards,
 Matt                            mailto:matt at remedyx.com





From mrjack at fastorama.com  Mon May 20 21:33:04 2002
From: mrjack at fastorama.com (mrjack at fastorama.com)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 21:33:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem running Mailman new beta with postfix.
Message-ID: <000001c20035$296692d0$ef575fd4@merlin>

Hi,

I have just installed Mailman for working with postfix ( virtual style
). I can create my list w/o any problems but when i send a mail to the
list i have the folowing error msg :
May 17 16:23:37 aurora postfix/qmgr[28260]: 0293F3EA50:
from=, size=882, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
May 17 16:23:37 aurora postfix/virtual[28270]: 0293F3EA50:
to=<|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post test at fastorama.com>, relay=virtual,
delay=0, status=bounced (unknown user: "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post
test at fastorama.com")

What?s wrong ?
Thanks for your help.

Regards,

Rapha?l





From mrjack at fastorama.com  Mon May 20 23:16:16 2002
From: mrjack at fastorama.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?JEUDY_Rapha=EBl?=)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 23:16:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem running Mailman new beta with postfix.
In-Reply-To: <000001c20035$296692d0$ef575fd4@merlin>
Message-ID: <004801c20043$941554f0$ef575fd4@merlin>

I have find the problem !
Thanks to all who have begin to read the mail :)

Regards,

-----Message d'origine-----
De?: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] De la part de
mrjack at fastorama.com
Envoy??: lundi 20 mai 2002 21:33
??: mailman-users at python.org
Objet?: [Mailman-Users] Problem running Mailman new beta with postfix.

Hi,

I have just installed Mailman for working with postfix ( virtual style
). I can create my list w/o any problems but when i send a mail to the
list i have the folowing error msg :
May 17 16:23:37 aurora postfix/qmgr[28260]: 0293F3EA50:
from=, size=882, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
May 17 16:23:37 aurora postfix/virtual[28270]: 0293F3EA50:
to=<|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post test at fastorama.com>, relay=virtual,
delay=0, status=bounced (unknown user: "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post
test at fastorama.com")

What?s wrong ?
Thanks for your help.

Regards,

Rapha?l



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From tdavis at approbation.org  Tue May 21 00:55:08 2002
From: tdavis at approbation.org (Terry Davis)
Date: 20 May 2002 17:55:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature - multiple web views for admin lists
Message-ID: <1021935316.7066.34.camel@td>

Hello,

I have several administrators.  I want them only to see the lists they
are responsible for.  Is this possible somehow?

thank you!

-- 
Terry Davis
http://approbation.org/





From kri at toxeleia.cftri.org  Tue May 21 07:13:46 2002
From: kri at toxeleia.cftri.org (Krishna Rao SN)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:43:46 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not posting after antivirus installation
Message-ID: 

Hi Lists,

I was using mailman on my server (RH Linux) without any problems.

Recently installed Sophos antivirus software on the mail server along with mailmonitor (virus scanner) to combat virus/worms from the incoming mails.

Now after installing virus scanner, mailman is not functioning i.e., mail is not sending/ditributing to list members?

It is also not queued up in /var/spool/mqueue

Any suggestions

--Krishna

From kri at toxeleia.cftri.org  Tue May 21 13:20:07 2002
From: kri at toxeleia.cftri.org (Krishna Rao SN)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 16:50:07 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not posting after antivirus installation
Message-ID: <200205211120.QAA05487@toxeleia.cftri.org>

Hi Lists,

I was using mailman on my server (RH Linux) without any problems.

Recently installed Sophos antivirus software on the mail server along with mailmonitor (virus scanner) to combat virus/worms from the incoming mails.

Now after installing virus scanner, mailman is not functioning i.e., mail is not sending/ditributing to list members?

It is also not queued up in /var/spool/mqueue

Any suggestions

--Krishna




From tdavis at approbation.org  Tue May 21 08:59:49 2002
From: tdavis at approbation.org (Terry Davis)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 01:59:49 -0500
Subject: Rel: [Mailman-Users] feature - multiple web views for admin lists
Message-ID: <3CE9F065.8060505@approbation.org>

Do I need to have separate installations for something like this?  I 
really appreciate any ideas.
I am using 2.0.8 right now.

 >Hello,
 >
 >I have several administrators.  I want them only to see the lists they
 >are responsible for.  Is this possible somehow?





From avbidder at fortytwo.ch  Tue May 21 10:33:16 2002
From: avbidder at fortytwo.ch (Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder)
Date: 21 May 2002 10:33:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does everything except send mail
In-Reply-To: <15589.33377.455777.828959@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <20020515130106.A20160@itn.co.uk>
	<1021464374.7916.128.camel@atlas> 
	<15589.33377.455777.828959@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <1021969996.14022.44.camel@atlas>

On Sat, 2002-05-18 at 00:21, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "AvB" == Adrian von Bidder  writes:
> 
>     AvB> Question on that: can mailman be configured to run without
>     AvB> cron? I have on my home system a very low traffic list, and
>     AvB> it's a bit a cpu waste to run a cron job when I have only 2
>     AvB> or 3 messages every few days.
> 
> Sure.  cron's not doing anything special exception making sure a
> particular program is run periodically.  You can run cron/qrunner
> manually whenever you like, although you probably have to run it like

Yes, yes. In other words: mailman currently has no means to trigger the
qrunner on message receipt which would imo be a sensible solution for
low-traffic systems. 

-- vbi


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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Tue May 21 11:31:10 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn?= Nettingsmeier)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:31:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does everything except send mail
References: <20020515130106.A20160@itn.co.uk>
		<1021464374.7916.128.camel@atlas> 
		<15589.33377.455777.828959@anthem.wooz.org> <1021969996.14022.44.camel@atlas>
Message-ID: <3CEA13DE.8992E1A3@folkwang-hochschule.de>

Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 2002-05-18 at 00:21, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> >
> > >>>>> "AvB" == Adrian von Bidder  writes:
> >
> >     AvB> Question on that: can mailman be configured to run without
> >     AvB> cron? I have on my home system a very low traffic list, and
> >     AvB> it's a bit a cpu waste to run a cron job when I have only 2
> >     AvB> or 3 messages every few days.
> >
> > Sure.  cron's not doing anything special exception making sure a
> > particular program is run periodically.  You can run cron/qrunner
> > manually whenever you like, although you probably have to run it like
> 
> Yes, yes. In other words: mailman currently has no means to trigger the
> qrunner on message receipt which would imo be a sensible solution for
> low-traffic systems.

i have played around a little with my local sendmail, and i think
something like the following *might* work.
the idea is to have sendmail trigger qrunner whenever a message comes
in. you can use multiple aliases, so why not use multiple scripts as
recipients ?

in /etc/aliases
your-list: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post your-list  
|/usr/local/bin/qrun

where qrun is
#!/bin/bash
sleep 60 # give sendmail the chance to process the first alias
/your/path/to/qrunner


please correct me if this is bullshit...


best,

j?rn




From avbidder at fortytwo.ch  Tue May 21 11:40:33 2002
From: avbidder at fortytwo.ch (Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder)
Date: 21 May 2002 11:40:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does everything except send mail
In-Reply-To: <3CEA13DE.8992E1A3@folkwang-hochschule.de>
References: <20020515130106.A20160@itn.co.uk>
	<1021464374.7916.128.camel@atlas> 
	<15589.33377.455777.828959@anthem.wooz.org>
	<1021969996.14022.44.camel@atlas> 
	<3CEA13DE.8992E1A3@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Message-ID: <1021974033.14404.89.camel@atlas>

On Tue, 2002-05-21 at 11:31, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote:
> Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote:

> > Yes, yes. In other words: mailman currently has no means to trigger the
> > qrunner on message receipt which would imo be a sensible solution for
> > low-traffic systems.
> 
> i have played around a little with my local sendmail, and i think

Not that I'd ever use sendmail
postfix rulez :-]

> in /etc/aliases
> your-list: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post your-list  
> |/usr/local/bin/qrun
> 
> where qrun is
> #!/bin/bash
> sleep 60 # give sendmail the chance to process the first alias
> /your/path/to/qrunner

(bangs head on table) I've not thought about that. Yes, I'll give it a
try - it should do exactly what I want, thanks.

cheers
-- vbi


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From WSpivak at sbanetweb.com  Tue May 21 13:25:44 2002
From: WSpivak at sbanetweb.com (Wayne Spivak)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 07:25:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail still gets suck in "DATA" directory when list is Moderated
In-Reply-To: <3CEA13DE.8992E1A3@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Message-ID: <000001c200ba$400dabb0$1900a8c0@PRESIDENT>

I've updated to 2.0.11, using 1.5.2 Python and Roxen Challenger 1.3x.

When I get more than 7 items in the "Pending" file, Mailman chokes.

Any ideas?





From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue May 21 13:39:42 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:39:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + htdig error/warning messages
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020521122540.02e4e0b0@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 15:33 19/05/2002 -0500, Matt Shirel wrote:
>Sorry if this is off topic, but I'm not sure where else to look for answers
>since my use of HTDig is entirely Mailman driven...  Any
>thoughts/suggestions would be greatly appreciated...
>
>When the nightly_htdig cron job runs, it generates the following message:
>
>DB2 problem...: /var/lib/htdig/db.metaphone.db: Permission denied
>DB2 problem...: /var/lib/htdig/db.soundex.db: Permission denied
>
>Mailman 2.0.8 w/ htdig patches applied
>htdig-3.2.0-1.b4.0.72 (RedHat 7.2 RPM)
>htdig-web-3.2.0-1.b4.0.72 (RedHat 7.2 RPM)
>python-1.5.2-35 (RedHat 7.2 RPM)
>
>TIA.
>
>MATT

For those using the mailman-htdig integration patch:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103

I am about to upload a minor revision of the patch, primarily to stop 
Python 2.2 generating a warning about the use of import * below the module 
level in some cron scripts added by the patch. In that revised patch I have 
also added the following note to the $build/INSTAL.htdig-mm file that the 
patch adds. It deals with issue raised by the original post which I believe 
is best dealt with at the htdig installation end of things rather than at 
the Mailman-htdig integration point.


htdig Permissions Considerations
------------------------------------

Python scripts added by this patch (nightly_htdig and its relatives) run the
htdig rundig script identified by HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH to build search indices
for Mailman archives. Code added by this patch generates per list htdig
configuration files which are passed as a parameter to the rundig script.
These configuration files identify a list specific directory
($prefix/archives/private//htdig) in which list specific data files
generated by and used by htdig are to be placed.

However, the rundig script identified by HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH may attempt to
generate some files in htdig's COMMON_DIR when it is first run by 
nightly_htdig;
the files concerned are likely to be root2word.db, word2root.db, 
synonyms.db and
possibly some others generated by htidg's htfuzzy program. The standard rundig
script generates these files selectively if they do not already exist. 
Depending
on how you have installed htdig and how the rundig script is first run, there
may be a permissions problem when nightly_hdig executes rundig under the 
mailman
UID if it tries to generate these files.

You may need to either give the mailman UID write permission over htdig's
COMMON_DIR or, before the nightly_htdig script is first run, run htdig's 
htfuzzy
executable with a sufficiently privileged UID in the manner that the rundig 
script
would run htfuzzy, to create any necessary files in COMMON_DIR.

See htdig's documentation for further information on this topic.






From mlslists at creativethinkinginc.com  Tue May 21 16:08:14 2002
From: mlslists at creativethinkinginc.com (Matt Shirel)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:08:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + htdig error/warning messages
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020521122540.02e4e0b0@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: 

Thanks Richard...  I changed /var/lib/htdig (and below) to being owned by
root.mailman and gave the folder group write permisions.  This cleared the
error report I had ben recieving.

Original:
drwxr-xr-x    2 root     root         4096 Mar 23 16:19 htdig
New:
drwxrwxr-x    2 root     mailman      4096 Mar 23 16:19 htdig







From kremels at kreme.com  Tue May 21 17:28:20 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:28:20 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No such file or directory: '/Users/mailman/mail/wrapper'
Message-ID: <61DD9859-6CCF-11D6-88C5-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>

After installing mailman I run, as suggested, bin/check_perms

% bin/check_perms
/Users/mailman/archives/private must not be other-readable
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "bin/check_perms", line 281, in ?
     checkmail()
   File "bin/check_perms", line 202, in checkmail
     mode = statmode(wrapper)
   File "bin/check_perms", line 74, in statmode
     return os.stat(path)[ST_MODE]
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/Users/mailman/mail/wrapper'


OS X 10.1.4
Darwin 5.4 Darwin Kernel Version 5.4


Can't find anything on that error.

--
You are responsible for your rose.
"Rule 5: Get Kirsten Dunst wet" (p 74 of Time 20-05-02)





From jbrouhard at dragonlair.dyndns.org  Tue May 21 18:05:18 2002
From: jbrouhard at dragonlair.dyndns.org (Joe Brouhard)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:05:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not updating /etc/aliases properly
Message-ID: <000501c200e1$51021dd0$8400a8c0@satellite>

Hey there.. I'm new to the list, and I'm having some rather...
Stupifying problems.

I did the install, just as the INSTALL file told me to do:

./configure --with-cgi-gid=apache --with-mail-gid=mail

However, when it's all done, mailman *WORKS*.. But the /etc/aliases file
is not auto updated when I create lists.

Any ideas on what could be wrong?  I think the mail gid may be wrong..
Should I change it to something else, root maybe? 

Thanks in advance.

Joe Brouhard
jbrouhard at dragonlair.dyndns.org





From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue May 21 18:13:15 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:13:15 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not updating /etc/aliases properly
References: <000501c200e1$51021dd0$8400a8c0@satellite>
Message-ID: <3CEA721B.5DE8E496@pcraft.com>

Joe Brouhard wrote:

> However, when it's all done, mailman *WORKS*.. But the /etc/aliases file
> is not auto updated when I create lists.
>
> Any ideas on what could be wrong?  I think the mail gid may be wrong..
> Should I change it to something else, root maybe? 

    Mailman doesn't change your aliases unless you explicitly tell it to when
you create a new list.  It just tells you what you need to add to your file.
If you want it to automatically start adding aliases, then you need to run
'newlist' with the -o  flag.  Read 'newlist -h' for more information on
this feature.

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From rbrandt at sbdsl.com  Tue May 21 18:34:28 2002
From: rbrandt at sbdsl.com (Rob Brandt)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:34:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading 2.05 to 2.1 beta
In-Reply-To: <20020521093207.16240.58160.Mailman@mail.python.org>
References: <20020521093207.16240.58160.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: 

Hello everyone;

I'm building myself a new server (linux) and have gotten to Mailman. 
My current server is running several mailman lists on v2.05.  I would 
like to make the jump to 2.1, even though it's not official yet. 
Does anyone have any advice on doing this?  Should I just install 2.1 
and then copy the data files over?

TIA

Rob
-- 




From tdavis at approbation.org  Tue May 21 18:42:53 2002
From: tdavis at approbation.org (Terry Davis)
Date: 21 May 2002 11:42:53 -0500
Subject: Rel: [Mailman-Users] feature - multiple web views for admin
	lists
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020521073147.03f0a980@rlw.best.vwh.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020521073147.03f0a980@rlw.best.vwh.net>
Message-ID: <1021999379.13301.1.camel@td>

On Tue, 2002-05-21 at 09:32, Bob Weissman wrote:
> At 11:59 PM 5/20/02, you wrote:
> >Do I need to have separate installations for something like this?  I really appreciate any ideas.
> >I am using 2.0.8 right now.
> >
> >>I have several administrators.  I want them only to see the lists they
> >>are responsible for.  Is this possible somehow?
> 
> There is no feature for this. Do you have enough privileges on your machine to create virtual hosts? If so, you can create one vhost for each administrator and they'll see only their own lists.
> 
> - Bob

Yes, I have complete control over my machine.  So I can simply have a
separate installation for each v-host basically?

/home/mailman/install1
/home/mailman/install2
/home/mailman/install3


Like this ^ ?

If that is the case, how can I move an existing installation to a
different directory?

-- 
Terry Davis
http://approbation.org/





From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue May 21 18:48:31 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:48:31 -0600
Subject: Rel: [Mailman-Users] feature - multiple web views for adminlists
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020521073147.03f0a980@rlw.best.vwh.net> <1021999379.13301.1.camel@td>
Message-ID: <3CEA7A5F.F7541FC2@pcraft.com>

Terry Davis wrote:

> Yes, I have complete control over my machine.  So I can simply have a
> separate installation for each v-host basically?
>
> /home/mailman/install1
> /home/mailman/install2
> /home/mailman/install3

    Yes.  I have this setup on my server.


> If that is the case, how can I move an existing installation to a
> different directory?

    Yes, as long as you a) recompile it for that directory, and b) run ~mailman//bin/move_list  afterwards.  Read 'move_list -h' for more information.

--
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  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.







From tdavis at approbation.org  Tue May 21 18:52:21 2002
From: tdavis at approbation.org (Terry Davis)
Date: 21 May 2002 11:52:21 -0500
Subject: Rel: [Mailman-Users] feature - multiple web views for adminlists
In-Reply-To: <3CEA7A5F.F7541FC2@pcraft.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020521073147.03f0a980@rlw.best.vwh.net>
	<1021999379.13301.1.camel@td>  <3CEA7A5F.F7541FC2@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <1021999947.13302.8.camel@td>

On Tue, 2002-05-21 at 11:48, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
> Terry Davis wrote:
> 
> > Yes, I have complete control over my machine.  So I can simply have a
> > separate installation for each v-host basically?
> >
> > /home/mailman/install1
> > /home/mailman/install2
> > /home/mailman/install3
> 
>     Yes.  I have this setup on my server.
> 
> 
> > If that is the case, how can I move an existing installation to a
> > different directory?
> 
>     Yes, as long as you a) recompile it for that directory, and b) run ~mailman//bin/move_list  afterwards.  Read 'move_list -h' for more information.

Thank you for your reply.  Where can I read up on how to 'recompile' for
that directory?  What config files much I change, etc.

Thank you!!

-- 
Terry Davis
http://approbation.org/





From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue May 21 18:55:21 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:55:21 -0600
Subject: Rel: [Mailman-Users] feature - multiple web views for adminlists
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020521073147.03f0a980@rlw.best.vwh.net>
		<1021999379.13301.1.camel@td>  <3CEA7A5F.F7541FC2@pcraft.com> <1021999947.13302.8.camel@td>
Message-ID: <3CEA7BF9.E1183AA4@pcraft.com>

Terry Davis wrote:

> Thank you for your reply.  Where can I read up on how to 'recompile' for
> that directory?  What config files much I change, etc.

    Add a prefix to your configure line:

    --prefix=/home/mailman/vhost

    When that's done, recompile, and reinstall.  Do this for each individual vhost.

--
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From tdavis at approbation.org  Tue May 21 19:11:45 2002
From: tdavis at approbation.org (Terry Davis)
Date: 21 May 2002 12:11:45 -0500
Subject: Rel: [Mailman-Users] feature - multiple web views for adminlists
In-Reply-To: <3CEA7BF9.E1183AA4@pcraft.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020521073147.03f0a980@rlw.best.vwh.net>
	<1021999379.13301.1.camel@td>  <3CEA7A5F.F7541FC2@pcraft.com>
	<1021999947.13302.8.camel@td>  <3CEA7BF9.E1183AA4@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <1022001111.13302.17.camel@td>

Great!

One last question...
You are saying 'vhost'.  Do I have to have an explicit vhost in apache
or can there be one vhost pointing to the root dir '/home/mailman' ?

On Tue, 2002-05-21 at 11:55, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
> Terry Davis wrote:
> 
> > Thank you for your reply.  Where can I read up on how to 'recompile' for
> > that directory?  What config files much I change, etc.
> 
>     Add a prefix to your configure line:
> 
>     --prefix=/home/mailman/vhost
> 
>     When that's done, recompile, and reinstall.  Do this for each individual vhost.
> 
> --
> W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
>   +--------------------------------------------------------------------
>   Ashley M. Kirchner    .   303.442.6410 x130
>   IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
>   Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
>   http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.
> 
> 
-- 
Terry Davis
http://approbation.org/





From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue May 21 19:19:42 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:19:42 -0600
Subject: Rel: [Mailman-Users] feature - multiple web views for adminlists
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020521073147.03f0a980@rlw.best.vwh.net>
		<1021999379.13301.1.camel@td>  <3CEA7A5F.F7541FC2@pcraft.com>
		<1021999947.13302.8.camel@td>  <3CEA7BF9.E1183AA4@pcraft.com> <1022001111.13302.17.camel@td>
Message-ID: <3CEA81AE.D1C9FF24@pcraft.com>

Terry Davis wrote:

> You are saying 'vhost'.  Do I have to have an explicit vhost in apache
> or can there be one vhost pointing to the root dir '/home/mailman' ?

    If each one is a different domain name, the only way for Apache to work is to have
them explicitly defined.

--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
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  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.







From rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net  Tue May 21 19:20:22 2002
From: rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net (Bob Weissman)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:20:22 -0700
Subject: Rel: [Mailman-Users] feature - multiple web views for
  adminlists
In-Reply-To: <3CEA7BF9.E1183AA4@pcraft.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020521073147.03f0a980@rlw.best.vwh.net>
 <1021999379.13301.1.camel@td>
 <3CEA7A5F.F7541FC2@pcraft.com>
 <1021999947.13302.8.camel@td>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020521100226.00a68a20@rlw.best.vwh.net>

At 09:55 AM 5/21/02, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
>Terry Davis wrote:
>> Thank you for your reply.  Where can I read up on how to 'recompile' for
>> that directory?  What config files much I change, etc.
>
>    When that's done, recompile, and reinstall.  Do this for each individual vhost.

You don't need to do this. One installation of Mailman is sufficient for multiple vhosts. I have this running just fine on my site. You have to be willing to patch Mailman/Cgi/admin.py, but this is much cleaner than having multiple copies of Mailman.

1. Create your virtual hosts, if you haven't already. Make sure your vhosts are pointing to Mailman for cgi, icons, and pipermail. For Apache, this is (depending on where ~mailman lives):

ScriptAlias /mailman /usr/home/mailman/cgi-bin

  AllowOverride None
  Options None
  Order allow,deny
  Allow from all

Alias /icons /usr/home/mailman/icons
Alias /pipermail /usr/home/mailman/archives/private

This goes inside your  sections of vhosts.conf for each vhost.

2. In your Mailman/mm_config.py file, make sure that VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW is set to 1. (I use 2, which is nonstandard, to get an exact vhost match rather than the standard substring match. See patch below. If you have vhost names which are substrings of each other, you will need to use 2 and you will also need to change listinfo.py similarly to admin.py.)

3. Apply the patch below to admin.py. This copies some vhost-discrimination code from listinfo.py to admin.py. It works for 2.0.9 and above (I haven't tried it on older versions.)

4. For each list, change the web_page_url to point to the virtual host. This is the bottom-most parameter on the main admin page for each list. You may need to wait some time for the DNS records of the new vhosts to propagate before people can access the pages.

- Bob

Patch follows

*** admin.py.ORIG       Thu May  9 12:24:58 2002

--- admin.py    Thu May  9 12:32:06 2002
***************
*** 25,30 ****
--- 25,31 ----
  import types
  import rfc822
  import signal
+ from urlparse import urlparse

  from Mailman import Utils
  from Mailman import MailList
***************
*** 200,205 ****
--- 201,229 ----
      for n in names:
        l = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0)
          if l.advertised:
+             # Following cloned from listinfo.py - BW 5/9/02
+           # XXX We need a portable way to determine the host by which we are being
+           #     visited!  An absolute URL would do...
+           http_host = os.environ.get('HTTP_HOST', os.environ.get('SERVER_NAME'))
+           port = os.environ.get('SERVER_PORT')
+           # strip off the port if there is one
+           if port and http_host[-len(port)-1:] == ':'+port:
+               http_host = http_host[:-len(port)-1]
+           if mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW:
+                 if mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW == 2: # Want an exact match
+                     # extract the host part of the url
+                     host_part = urlparse(l.web_page_url)[1]
+                     # remove the port, if any
+                     host_part = string.split(host_part, ":")[0]
+                     if http_host and host_part != http_host:
+                         # List is for different vhost - skip it.
+                         continue
+                 else: # Want a simple containment match
+                     if http_host and \
+                     string.find(http_host, l.web_page_url) == -1 and \
+                     string.find(l.web_page_url, http_host) == -1:
+                       # List is for different identity of this host - skip it.
+                       continue
              advertised.append(l)

      if error:





From tdavis at approbation.org  Tue May 21 19:58:36 2002
From: tdavis at approbation.org (Terry Davis)
Date: 21 May 2002 12:58:36 -0500
Subject: Rel: [Mailman-Users] feature - multiple web views for adminlists
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020521100226.00a68a20@rlw.best.vwh.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020521073147.03f0a980@rlw.best.vwh.net>
	<1021999379.13301.1.camel@td> <3CEA7A5F.F7541FC2@pcraft.com>
	<1021999947.13302.8.camel@td> 
	<5.1.0.14.0.20020521100226.00a68a20@rlw.best.vwh.net>
Message-ID: <1022003922.13301.31.camel@td>

Nice hack....

I indeed like this better.   In that time I was able to switch things
over and everything works great!


On Tue, 2002-05-21 at 12:20, Bob Weissman wrote:
> At 09:55 AM 5/21/02, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
> >Terry Davis wrote:
> >> Thank you for your reply.  Where can I read up on how to 'recompile' for
> >> that directory?  What config files much I change, etc.
> >
> >    When that's done, recompile, and reinstall.  Do this for each individual vhost.
> 
> You don't need to do this. One installation of Mailman is sufficient for multiple vhosts. I have this running just fine on my site. You have to be willing to patch Mailman/Cgi/admin.py, but this is much cleaner than having multiple copies of Mailman.
> 
> 1. Create your virtual hosts, if you haven't already. Make sure your vhosts are pointing to Mailman for cgi, icons, and pipermail. For Apache, this is (depending on where ~mailman lives):
> 
> ScriptAlias /mailman /usr/home/mailman/cgi-bin
> 
>   AllowOverride None
>   Options None
>   Order allow,deny
>   Allow from all
> 
> Alias /icons /usr/home/mailman/icons
> Alias /pipermail /usr/home/mailman/archives/private
> 
> This goes inside your  sections of vhosts.conf for each vhost.
> 
> 2. In your Mailman/mm_config.py file, make sure that VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW is set to 1. (I use 2, which is nonstandard, to get an exact vhost match rather than the standard substring match. See patch below. If you have vhost names which are substrings of each other, you will need to use 2 and you will also need to change listinfo.py similarly to admin.py.)
> 
> 3. Apply the patch below to admin.py. This copies some vhost-discrimination code from listinfo.py to admin.py. It works for 2.0.9 and above (I haven't tried it on older versions.)
> 
> 4. For each list, change the web_page_url to point to the virtual host. This is the bottom-most parameter on the main admin page for each list. You may need to wait some time for the DNS records of the new vhosts to propagate before people can access the pages.
> 
> - Bob
> 
> Patch follows
> 
> *** admin.py.ORIG       Thu May  9 12:24:58 2002
> --- admin.py    Thu May  9 12:32:06 2002
> ***************
> *** 25,30 ****
> --- 25,31 ----
>   import types
>   import rfc822
>   import signal
> + from urlparse import urlparse
> 
>   from Mailman import Utils
>   from Mailman import MailList
> ***************
> *** 200,205 ****
> --- 201,229 ----
>       for n in names:
>         l = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0)
>           if l.advertised:
> +             # Following cloned from listinfo.py - BW 5/9/02
> +           # XXX We need a portable way to determine the host by which we are being
> +           #     visited!  An absolute URL would do...
> +           http_host = os.environ.get('HTTP_HOST', os.environ.get('SERVER_NAME'))
> +           port = os.environ.get('SERVER_PORT')
> +           # strip off the port if there is one
> +           if port and http_host[-len(port)-1:] == ':'+port:
> +               http_host = http_host[:-len(port)-1]
> +           if mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW:
> +                 if mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW == 2: # Want an exact match
> +                     # extract the host part of the url
> +                     host_part = urlparse(l.web_page_url)[1]
> +                     # remove the port, if any
> +                     host_part = string.split(host_part, ":")[0]
> +                     if http_host and host_part != http_host:
> +                         # List is for different vhost - skip it.
> +                         continue
> +                 else: # Want a simple containment match
> +                     if http_host and \
> +                     string.find(http_host, l.web_page_url) == -1 and \
> +                     string.find(l.web_page_url, http_host) == -1:
> +                       # List is for different identity of this host - skip it.
> +                       continue
>               advertised.append(l)
> 
>       if error:
-- 
Terry Davis
http://approbation.org/





From tdavis at approbation.org  Tue May 21 20:21:00 2002
From: tdavis at approbation.org (Terry Davis)
Date: 21 May 2002 13:21:00 -0500
Subject: Rel: [Mailman-Users] feature - multiple web views for adminlists
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020521100226.00a68a20@rlw.best.vwh.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020521073147.03f0a980@rlw.best.vwh.net>
	<1021999379.13301.1.camel@td> <3CEA7A5F.F7541FC2@pcraft.com>
	<1021999947.13302.8.camel@td> 
	<5.1.0.14.0.20020521100226.00a68a20@rlw.best.vwh.net>
Message-ID: <1022005266.13301.42.camel@td>

Well, I have run into a problem with this.

When I visit the admin page for any list I get 'inconsistent dedent' In
apache's logs.

Any ideas?

THank you!

On Tue, 2002-05-21 at 12:20, Bob Weissman wrote:
> At 09:55 AM 5/21/02, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
> >Terry Davis wrote:
> >> Thank you for your reply.  Where can I read up on how to 'recompile' for
> >> that directory?  What config files much I change, etc.
> >
> >    When that's done, recompile, and reinstall.  Do this for each individual vhost.
> 
> You don't need to do this. One installation of Mailman is sufficient for multiple vhosts. I have this running just fine on my site. You have to be willing to patch Mailman/Cgi/admin.py, but this is much cleaner than having multiple copies of Mailman.
> 
> 1. Create your virtual hosts, if you haven't already. Make sure your vhosts are pointing to Mailman for cgi, icons, and pipermail. For Apache, this is (depending on where ~mailman lives):
> 
> ScriptAlias /mailman /usr/home/mailman/cgi-bin
> 
>   AllowOverride None
>   Options None
>   Order allow,deny
>   Allow from all
> 
> Alias /icons /usr/home/mailman/icons
> Alias /pipermail /usr/home/mailman/archives/private
> 
> This goes inside your  sections of vhosts.conf for each vhost.
> 
> 2. In your Mailman/mm_config.py file, make sure that VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW is set to 1. (I use 2, which is nonstandard, to get an exact vhost match rather than the standard substring match. See patch below. If you have vhost names which are substrings of each other, you will need to use 2 and you will also need to change listinfo.py similarly to admin.py.)
> 
> 3. Apply the patch below to admin.py. This copies some vhost-discrimination code from listinfo.py to admin.py. It works for 2.0.9 and above (I haven't tried it on older versions.)
> 
> 4. For each list, change the web_page_url to point to the virtual host. This is the bottom-most parameter on the main admin page for each list. You may need to wait some time for the DNS records of the new vhosts to propagate before people can access the pages.
> 
> - Bob
> 
> Patch follows
> 
> *** admin.py.ORIG       Thu May  9 12:24:58 2002
> --- admin.py    Thu May  9 12:32:06 2002
> ***************
> *** 25,30 ****
> --- 25,31 ----
>   import types
>   import rfc822
>   import signal
> + from urlparse import urlparse
> 
>   from Mailman import Utils
>   from Mailman import MailList
> ***************
> *** 200,205 ****
> --- 201,229 ----
>       for n in names:
>         l = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0)
>           if l.advertised:
> +             # Following cloned from listinfo.py - BW 5/9/02
> +           # XXX We need a portable way to determine the host by which we are being
> +           #     visited!  An absolute URL would do...
> +           http_host = os.environ.get('HTTP_HOST', os.environ.get('SERVER_NAME'))
> +           port = os.environ.get('SERVER_PORT')
> +           # strip off the port if there is one
> +           if port and http_host[-len(port)-1:] == ':'+port:
> +               http_host = http_host[:-len(port)-1]
> +           if mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW:
> +                 if mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW == 2: # Want an exact match
> +                     # extract the host part of the url
> +                     host_part = urlparse(l.web_page_url)[1]
> +                     # remove the port, if any
> +                     host_part = string.split(host_part, ":")[0]
> +                     if http_host and host_part != http_host:
> +                         # List is for different vhost - skip it.
> +                         continue
> +                 else: # Want a simple containment match
> +                     if http_host and \
> +                     string.find(http_host, l.web_page_url) == -1 and \
> +                     string.find(l.web_page_url, http_host) == -1:
> +                       # List is for different identity of this host - skip it.
> +                       continue
>               advertised.append(l)
> 
>       if error:
-- 
Terry Davis
http://approbation.org/





From donal.hunt2 at mail.dcu.ie  Tue May 21 22:11:05 2002
From: donal.hunt2 at mail.dcu.ie (Donal Hunt)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:11:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does everything except send mail
Message-ID: <3CEAA9D8.35A45AAB@mail.dcu.ie>

> On Tue, 2002-05-21 at 11:31, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote:
> > Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote:
> 
> > > Yes, yes. In other words: mailman currently has no means to trigger the
> > > qrunner on message receipt which would imo be a sensible solution for
> > > low-traffic systems.
> > 

The delivery process in Mailman 2.1 has been totally overhauled and
there are several qrunners - one looking after incoming mail, one
looking after outgoing mail, etc.  Look at the Mailman 2.1 info on
www.list.org for more details. :-)

Donal
DCU




From EDavidson at mail.uua.org  Tue May 21 22:21:57 2002
From: EDavidson at mail.uua.org (Elena Davidson)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 16:21:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML edits and messages limits
Message-ID: <9B511FA7465ED411862700A0C9E1C51C02E9A443@mail.uua.org>

Hi everyone!  I'm pretty new to Mailman and I've come to like it a lot but
I'm stuck on two things:

1. Is there a way to limit subscribers to post only a certain number of
messages in a day/week?  There's a problem on one of my lists where this one
guy posts 20 times a day and the managers are getting sick of rejecting all
his posts through the web interface.

2. I'm sure this one's idiotic, but how do I edit the HTML on the page for
my list of lists?  I know how to do it for an individual list's info page,
but I don't know for the page that lists all of 'em together.

Thanks!
Elena Davidson
edavidson at uua.org





From jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org  Tue May 21 23:17:17 2002
From: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org (Jim Hale)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 16:17:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] One Last Question Before I Start Installing SpamAssassin...
Message-ID: <1022015837.3ceab95d3b22a@halemail.dyndns.org>

I've decided that until I get comfortable with running SA as a system-wide 
util, I'm going to set it up for individuals on my EMail server (there's only 5 
so copying the files needed shouldn't be a big hassle) - anyway - is there a 
way to link SA to process incoming messages to a mailing list and snagging them 
before they go out? I know that it will catch the copy of the message sent to 
ME, but can it catch the message before it gets shipped off to 100+ people?

Thanks!

Jim Hale
---
Jim & Kathy's Website Collection
http://hale.dyndns.org





-------------------------------------------------
This mail sent through the HaleMail Server: http://halemail.dyndns.org




From stefan.guerra at metaonline.it  Mon May 20 17:38:04 2002
From: stefan.guerra at metaonline.it (Stefan Guerra)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 17:38:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] importing archive
Message-ID: <00c201c20014$5524b490$6801a8c0@metaonline.it>

How do I import an archive into a new mailing list?

Thanks for helping

Stefan
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From benjamincyoung at hotmail.com  Tue May 21 04:37:48 2002
From: benjamincyoung at hotmail.com (Benjamin Young)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 19:37:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only Mailing Lists
Message-ID: 

Hi all,

I am new to Mailman and have searched the archives without finding a solution to my problem but could not find an answer. I would like to create a list where only the admin has permission to post (e.g. an announcements list).

I could find no way to do this but this is OK if there is a way to customize the welcome and help messages. I already customized the List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome message but this only adds the message to the beginning of the pre-written message. I could not find any folders related to the list software in my site's files but can I modify the entire welcome message for each of my lists?

Thanks!
Benjamin
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From gabriel at financialinvestmentservices.net  Tue May 21 22:41:45 2002
From: gabriel at financialinvestmentservices.net (Gabriel Menini [F.I.S.])
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:41:45 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error on test list: "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post prueba" WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)
Message-ID: <006101c20107$ebdca520$0200a8c0@financialinvestmentservices.net>

Hello!

I am installing the mailman software, because I love its web-based
administration tool.

When  I send an email to my first test list called 'prueba' the messages was
rejected.
I quote the message body:
BTW, I am running Postfix as my MTA.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mail Delivery System" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 5:32 PM
Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender


> This is the Postfix program at host mail.financialinvestmentservices.net.
>
> I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
> below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.
>
> For further assistance, please send mail to 
>
> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
> delete your own text from the message returned below.
>
> The Postfix program
>
> : Command died with status 2:
>     "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post prueba". Command output: Failure to
exec
>     script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)
>





From stephen.hyland at computer-lawyer.com  Wed May 22 00:29:40 2002
From: stephen.hyland at computer-lawyer.com (Stephen J. Hyland)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:29:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Flooding Admin Account
Message-ID: 

Help! I'm not sure if it's something I've done (or not done).

When someone sends a message to the admin account on the list I've set up
(lets call it list-admin at mylist.com), the associated email account gets
flooded with copies of the same email. It's clearly stuck in a loop since I
eventually get an email telling me that the infinite loop was detected and
the process was killed.

And yes, I've Read The Fine Manual (and FAQ) and can't seem to find anything
there to help solve this problem.





From felicity at kluge.net  Wed May 22 02:02:31 2002
From: felicity at kluge.net (Theo Van Dinter)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:02:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [SAtalk] One Last Question Before I Start Installing SpamAssassin...
In-Reply-To: <1022015837.3ceab95d3b22a@halemail.dyndns.org>; from jim-ml@halemail.dyndns.org on Tue, May 21, 2002 at 04:17:17PM -0500
References: <1022015837.3ceab95d3b22a@halemail.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <20020521200231.A16206@kluge.net>

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 04:17:17PM -0500, Jim Hale wrote:
> I've decided that until I get comfortable with running SA as a system-wide 
> util, I'm going to set it up for individuals on my EMail server (there's only 5 
> so copying the files needed shouldn't be a big hassle) - anyway - is there a 
> way to link SA to process incoming messages to a mailing list and snagging them 
> before they go out? I know that it will catch the copy of the message sent to 
> ME, but can it catch the message before it gets shipped off to 100+ people?

There is, depending on how your mailing lists work.  I'm actually
in the process of writing an article that explains how I did it with
majordomo and sendmail, but it's generic enough that you can probably
use it for anything you have.  I can send you the files off-list if
you're interested. :)

-- 
Randomly Generated Tagline:
"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards,
 for they are subtle and quick to anger."    - Lord of the Rings




From listadmin at aerosmithfanclub.com  Wed May 22 02:15:57 2002
From: listadmin at aerosmithfanclub.com (AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:15:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only Mailing Lists
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.1.2.2.20020521201549.00bccea0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>

LOTS OF LUCK!   I asked how to do this and only got rude answers that said 
I am trying to force the software to do things it was not intended to 
do.  If you figure it out let me know.  BTW the actual restricting of posts 
to just you is the easy part.  The numerous referneces to web pages, 
posting instructions, etc that do not apply to a news list will be a PITA.



At 07:37 PM 5/20/2002 -0700, Benjamin Young wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I am new to Mailman and have searched the archives without finding a 
>solution to my problem but could not find an answer. I would like to 
>create a list where only the admin has permission to post (e.g. an 
>announcements list).
>
>I could find no way to do this but this is OK if there is a way to 
>customize the welcome and help messages. I already customized the 
>List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome message but this 
>only adds the message to the beginning of the pre-written message. I could 
>not find any folders related to the list software in my site's files but 
>can I modify the entire welcome message for each of my lists?
>
>Thanks!
>Benjamin






From rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net  Wed May 22 02:45:43 2002
From: rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net (Bob Weissman)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:45:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only Mailing Lists
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.2.2.20020521201549.00bccea0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.co
 m>
References: 
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020521172902.02663040@rlw.best.vwh.net>

This is eminently doable, but you have to be willing and able to patch Mailman.

1. Patch Mailman to be able to turn off the List-* headers on a per-list basis so you don't confuse your subscribers with instructions that don't work. I can send this patch to anyone who wants it. I haven't figured out how to contribute it to SourceForge.

2. Edit listinfo.html for each list you want to have non-standard instructions on its listinfo page.

3. Restrict posting by setting "member_posting_only" to "no" and "posters" to the address(es) of people allowed to post. These are both on the "privacy" admin page.

That's it. If you would spend half the amount of time learning Python and HTML as you do complaining, you would have figured all of this out by now. And I was an Aerosmith fan before you were. They played at a giant beer bash at my college circa 1973 (they had one album out). Dozens of kegs and "cups" the size of large popcorn vats at the movies. People were passed out everywhere. It was a good time.

- Bob

At 05:15 PM 5/21/02, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote:
>LOTS OF LUCK!   I asked how to do this and only got rude answers that said I am trying to force the software to do things it was not intended to do.  If you figure it out let me know.  BTW the actual restricting of posts to just you is the easy part.  The numerous referneces to web pages, posting instructions, etc that do not apply to a news list will be a PITA.
>
>
>At 07:37 PM 5/20/2002 -0700, Benjamin Young wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I am new to Mailman and have searched the archives without finding a solution to my problem but could not find an answer. I would like to create a list where only the admin has permission to post (e.g. an announcements list).
>>
>>I could find no way to do this but this is OK if there is a way to customize the welcome and help messages. I already customized the List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome message but this only adds the message to the beginning of the pre-written message. I could not find any folders related to the list software in my site's files but can I modify the entire welcome message for each of my lists?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>Benjamin





From listadmin at aerosmithfanclub.com  Wed May 22 03:01:10 2002
From: listadmin at aerosmithfanclub.com (AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:01:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only Mailing Lists
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020521172902.02663040@rlw.best.vwh.net>
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020521201549.00bccea0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.co m>
 
Message-ID: <5.1.1.2.2.20020521205527.00bbea68@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>

At 05:45 PM 5/21/2002 -0700, you wrote:
 >This is eminently doable, but you have to be willing and able to patch 
Mailman.
 >
 >1. Patch Mailman to be able to turn off the List-* headers on a per-list
 >basis so you don't confuse your subscribers with instructions that don't
 >work. I can send this patch to anyone who wants it. I haven't figured out
 >how to contribute it to SourceForge.

That part has been done after being yelled at many times about doing so 
violates RFC when indeed it doesn't.


 >2. Edit listinfo.html for each list you want to have non-standard
 >instructions on its listinfo page.

That fixes one of the pages.  Does not do anything for the generic welcome 
message or all the other places that extraneous links are listed.


 >3. Restrict posting by setting "member_posting_only" to "no" and "posters"
 >to the address(es) of people allowed to post. These are both on the
 >"privacy" admin page.

Yep thats the one logical part of the software.


 >That's it. If you would spend half the amount of time learning Python and
 >HTML as you do complaining, you would have figured all of this out by now.

I know HTML just fine thank you but I am not a Python programmer.  Even if 
I were the spaghetti code that this is makes it difficult to patch into 
logical useable code.

 >And I was an Aerosmith fan before you were. They played at a giant beer bash
 >at my college circa 1973 (they had one album out). Dozens of kegs and "cups"
 >the size of large popcorn vats at the movies. People were passed out
 >everywhere. It was a good time.

I doubt you were and if your idea of a good time is having everyone passed 
out from being drunk that could explain a lot about your code.


 >- Bob
 >
 >At 05:15 PM 5/21/02, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote:
 >>LOTS OF LUCK!   I asked how to do this and only got rude answers that said
 >I am trying to force the software to do things it was not intended to do.
 >If you figure it out let me know.  BTW the actual restricting of posts to
 >just you is the easy part.  The numerous referneces to web pages, posting
 >instructions, etc that do not apply to a news list will be a PITA.
 >>
 >>
 >>At 07:37 PM 5/20/2002 -0700, Benjamin Young wrote:
 >>>Hi all,
 >>>
 >>>I am new to Mailman and have searched the archives without finding a
 >solution to my problem but could not find an answer. I would like to create
 >a list where only the admin has permission to post (e.g. an announcements
 >list).
 >>>
 >>>I could find no way to do this but this is OK if there is a way to
 >customize the welcome and help messages. I already customized the
 >List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome message but this only
 >adds the message to the beginning of the pre-written message. I could not
 >find any folders related to the list software in my site's files but can I
 >modify the entire welcome message for each of my lists?
 >>>
 >>>Thanks!
 >>>Benjamin
 >
 >
 >
 >------------------------------------------------------
 >Mailman-Users mailing list
 >Mailman-Users at python.org
 >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
 >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py






From rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net  Wed May 22 03:21:47 2002
From: rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net (Bob Weissman)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:21:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only Mailing Lists
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.2.2.20020521205527.00bbea68@mail.aerosmithfanclub.co
 m>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020521172902.02663040@rlw.best.vwh.net>
 <5.1.1.2.2.20020521201549.00bccea0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.co m>
 
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020521181749.0267de10@rlw.best.vwh.net>

At 06:01 PM 5/21/02, you wrote:
>At 05:45 PM 5/21/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>>That's it. If you would spend half the amount of time learning Python and
>>HTML as you do complaining, you would have figured all of this out by now.
>
>I know HTML just fine thank you but I am not a Python programmer.  Even if I were the spaghetti code that this is makes it difficult to patch into logical useable code.

I'm not a Python programmer, either. But it's trivially easy to understand. Give it a try. It took me 30 minutes to derive this patch.

>>And I was an Aerosmith fan before you were. They played at a giant beer bash
>>at my college circa 1973 (they had one album out). Dozens of kegs and "cups"
>>the size of large popcorn vats at the movies. People were passed out
>>everywhere. It was a good time.
>
>I doubt you were and if your idea of a good time is having everyone passed out from being drunk that could explain a lot about your code.

I'm not a liar. What I told you is true. The venue was Rockwell Cage at MIT, where I earned a degree in computer science and engineering. And now you've just lost your chance at getting any help from me. What an idiot.

- Bob





From listadmin at aerosmithfanclub.com  Wed May 22 03:35:40 2002
From: listadmin at aerosmithfanclub.com (AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:35:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only Mailing Lists
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020521181749.0267de10@rlw.best.vwh.net>
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020521205527.00bbea68@mail.aerosmithfanclub.co m>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20020521172902.02663040@rlw.best.vwh.net>
 <5.1.1.2.2.20020521201549.00bccea0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.co m>
 
Message-ID: <5.1.1.2.2.20020521212918.00b48878@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>

At 06:21 PM 5/21/2002 -0700, you wrote:
 >At 06:01 PM 5/21/02, you wrote:
 >>At 05:45 PM 5/21/2002 -0700, you wrote:
 >>>That's it. If you would spend half the amount of time learning Python and
 >>>HTML as you do complaining, you would have figured all of this out by now.
 >>
 >>I know HTML just fine thank you but I am not a Python programmer.  Even if
 >I were the spaghetti code that this is makes it difficult to patch into
 >logical useable code.
 >
 >I'm not a Python programmer, either. But it's trivially easy to understand.
 >Give it a try. It took me 30 minutes to derive this patch.

	Like I said it is only a partial fix to getting all of the extraneous junk 
out of the code.  In fact most of it is stll there and if anyone knew what 
it was they could get to it easily.  Bottom line remains that the software 
was not designed to do anyting but act as a discusion mailing list in a 
stand alone environment.  Any use other than that requires at least 
moderate patching.  Most of the request on this list for help are responded 
to with "you are using the software in a manner it was not designed to be 
used" or "Read the FAQ".  Thats the holier than thou attitude that prevails 
here and gets people to respond with just a negative attitude.




 >>>And I was an Aerosmith fan before you were. They played at a giant beer 
bash
 >>>at my college circa 1973 (they had one album out). Dozens of kegs and 
"cups"
 >>>the size of large popcorn vats at the movies. People were passed out
 >>>everywhere. It was a good time.
 >>
 >>I doubt you were and if your idea of a good time is having everyone passed
 >out from being drunk that could explain a lot about your code.
 >
 >I'm not a liar. What I told you is true. The venue was Rockwell Cage at MIT,
 >where I earned a degree in computer science and engineering. And now you've
 >just lost your chance at getting any help from me. What an idiot.

Didnt say it was a lie.  Just said you were not a fan before me.  Of course 
your restatement that its not a lie (speaking of the 'great time' party 
reinforces my connection between your idea of a good time and the very 
inflexibility of the code delivered in this software and the general 
dirtiness thereof.

 >
 >- Bob
 >
 >
 >
 >------------------------------------------------------
 >Mailman-Users mailing list
 >Mailman-Users at python.org
 >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
 >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py






From kremels at kreme.com  Wed May 22 07:00:20 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 23:00:20 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only Mailing Lists
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020521181749.0267de10@rlw.best.vwh.net>
Message-ID: 

On Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 07:21 PM, Bob Weissman wrote:
> What an idiot.

Well, the rest of us figured that out last week.  Where were you? :)

--
You are responsible for your rose.
"Rule 5: Get Kirsten Dunst wet" (p 74 of Time 20-05-02)





From wheakory at isu.edu  Wed May 22 07:37:58 2002
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 23:37:58 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem with Python upgrade
Message-ID: <3CEB2EB5.C28DCFE5@isu.edu>

I've install mailman 2.0.11 on Red Hat 7.2 and it was working fine until
I upgrade to Python 2.1. Once I upgraded to this version everything
seemed fine for 5 hours. I was able to receive messages from my mailing
lists at our University. The Web Interface administrator options for the
lists all worked fine. Then messages started piling in "qfiles" and it
would not send anymore messages out. I moved them out of the queue and
started moving them back in one at a time and then again the messages
seemed to be sent properly, but then they started piling back up in the
qfiles directory again .   Here is the errors I received in the "error"
logfile. I'm not totally efficient on Python yet, so I would like some
help I would appreciate it. (Quite a few messages on CORRUPTED ARCHIVES
and module regex not found)

ERROR LOG FILE

May 21 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(31161): Traceback (most recent call last):
May 21 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(31161):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 219, in ArchiveMail
May 21 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(31161):     import HyperArch
May 21 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(31161):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 47, in ?
May 21 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(31161):     from Mailman import EncWord
May 21 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(31161):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/EncWord.py", line 21, in ?
May 21 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(31161):     import base64
May 21 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(31161):   File
"/tmp/32444-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.1/base64.py", line 7, in ?
May 21 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(31161):     import binascii
May 21 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(31161): ImportError: No module named
binascii
May 21 10:20:01 2002 (31161) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: libstaff
May 21 10:20:02 2002 qrunner(31161): Traceback (most recent call last):
May 21 10:20:02 2002 qrunner(31161):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 220, in ArchiveMail
May 21 10:20:02 2002 qrunner(31161):     h =
HyperArch.HyperArchive(self)
May 21 10:20:02 2002 qrunner(31161): AttributeError:
'Mailman.Archiver.HyperArch' module has no attribute 'HyperArchive'
May 21 10:20:02 2002 (31161) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: relief
May 21 10:20:02 2002 qrunner(31161): Traceback (most recent call last):
May 21 10:20:02 2002 qrunner(31161):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 220, in ArchiveMail
May 21 10:20:02 2002 qrunner(31161):     h =
HyperArch.HyperArchive(self)
May 21 10:20:02 2002 qrunner(31161): AttributeError:
'Mailman.Archiver.HyperArch' module has no attribute 'HyperArchive'
May 21 10:20:02 2002 (31161) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: ultimate
May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203): Traceback (most recent call last):
May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 219, in ArchiveMail
May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203):     import HyperArch
May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 47, in ?
May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203):     from Mailman import EncWord
May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/EncWord.py", line 21, in ?
May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203):     import base64
May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203):   File
"/tmp/32444-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.1/base64.py", line 7, in ?
May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203):     import binascii
May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203): ImportError: No module named
binascii
May 21 10:22:01 2002 (31203) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: korymail
May 21 10:28:01 2002 qrunner(31258): Traceback (most recent call last):
May 21 10:28:01 2002 qrunner(31258):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 219, in ArchiveMail
May 21 10:28:01 2002 qrunner(31258):     import HyperArch
May 21 10:28:01 2002 qrunner(31258):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 47, in ?
May 21 10:28:01 2002 qrunner(31258):     from Mailman import EncWord
May 21 10:28:01 2002 qrunner(31258):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/EncWord.py", line 21, in ?
May 21 10:28:01 2002 qrunner(31258):     import base64
May 21 10:28:01 2002 qrunner(31258):   File
"/tmp/32444-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.1/base64.py", line 7, in ?
May 21 10:28:01 2002 qrunner(31258):     import binascii
May 21 10:28:01 2002 qrunner(31258): ImportError: No module named
binascii
May 21 10:28:01 2002 (31258) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: ccaus
May 21 10:34:00 2002 qrunner(31303): Traceback (most recent call last):
May 21 10:34:00 2002 qrunner(31303):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 219, in ArchiveMail
May 21 10:34:01 2002 qrunner(31303):     import HyperArch
May 21 10:34:01 2002 qrunner(31303):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 47, in ?
May 21 10:34:01 2002 qrunner(31303):     from Mailman import EncWord
May 21 10:34:01 2002 qrunner(31303):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/EncWord.py", line 21, in ?
May 21 10:34:01 2002 qrunner(31303):     import base64
May 21 10:34:01 2002 qrunner(31303):   File
"/tmp/32444-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.1/base64.py", line 7, in ?
May 21 10:34:01 2002 qrunner(31303):     import binascii
May 21 10:34:01 2002 qrunner(31303): ImportError: No module named
binascii
3:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122): Traceback (most recent call last):
May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):   File
"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):      kids = main(lock)
May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):   File
"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main
May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):      keepqueued =
dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):   File
"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 121, in dispose_message
May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):      if
BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg):
May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 57, in ScanMessages

May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):      mod =
__import__('Mailman.Bouncers.'+modname)
May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Catchall.py", line 34, in ?
May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):      import regsub
May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):   File
"/usr/lib/python2.1/regsub.py", line 20, in ?
May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):      import regex
May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122): ImportError :  No module named
regex

Kory Wheatley
Idaho State University






From danny at terweij.nl  Wed May 22 08:37:10 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 08:37:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cronjob error
Message-ID: <029f01c2015b$1a2b6b20$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>

Hi,

Output from command /usr/bin/python2 -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
..

Site list is missing: mailman


Whats wrong?

Danny.






From darryl at harvey.net.au  Wed May 22 09:04:25 2002
From: darryl at harvey.net.au (Darryl Harvey)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:04:25 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron Log error
In-Reply-To: <029f01c2015b$1a2b6b20$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
Message-ID: <007501c2015e$e8353570$9900860a@off.connect.com.au>

I am running mailman on Linux, with Postfix as the MTA, I have noticed
in my CRON log files I have entries like;

May 21 18:50:00 cascade CROND[5249]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S
/var/mailman/cron/qrunner)
May 21 18:50:00 cascade CROND[5250]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S
/var/mailman/cron/gate_news)
May 21 18:50:02 cascade CROND[5245]: (mailman) MAIL (mailed 272 bytes of
output but got status 0x004b )
May 21 18:50:02 cascade CROND[5246]: (mailman) MAIL (mailed 650 bytes of
output but got status 0x004b )
May 21 18:51:01 cascade CROND[5365]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S
/var/mailman/cron/qrunner)
May 21 18:51:02 cascade CROND[5364]: (mailman) MAIL (mailed 272 bytes of
output but got status 0x004b )
May 21 18:52:00 cascade CROND[5374]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S
/var/mailman/cron/qrunner)
May 21 18:52:02 cascade CROND[5373]: (mailman) MAIL (mailed 272 bytes of
output but got status 0x004b )
May 21 18:53:01 cascade CROND[5425]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S
/var/mailman/cron/qrunner)
May 21 18:53:02 cascade CROND[5424]: (mailman) MAIL (mailed 272 bytes of
output but got status 0x004b )
May 21 18:54:00 cascade CROND[5447]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S
/var/mailman/cron/qrunner)


What concerns me are the entries of;
May 21 18:53:02 cascade CROND[5424]: (mailman) MAIL (mailed 272 bytes of
output but got status 0x004b )

What is this ???  After restarting the PC and/or mailman they start and
go every minute for approx 6Hrs...  Last one started upona machine
reboot, first entry @ 10:03.  Last entry @ 18:53..

Should I be concerned about this?  Should they be there at all ?

Any pointers welcome.

Mailman version 2.0.9
Postfix Version: 1.1.7
Linux: RedHat: 7.3 (With updates)

Thanks
Darryl






From avbidder at fortytwo.ch  Wed May 22 09:31:41 2002
From: avbidder at fortytwo.ch (Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder)
Date: 22 May 2002 09:31:41 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does everything except send mail
In-Reply-To: <3CEA13DE.8992E1A3@folkwang-hochschule.de>
References: <20020515130106.A20160@itn.co.uk>
	<1021464374.7916.128.camel@atlas> 
	<15589.33377.455777.828959@anthem.wooz.org>
	<1021969996.14022.44.camel@atlas> 
	<3CEA13DE.8992E1A3@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Message-ID: <1022052701.12048.15.camel@atlas>

On Tue, 2002-05-21 at 11:31, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote:

> i have played around a little with my local sendmail, and i think
> something like the following *might* work.
> the idea is to have sendmail trigger qrunner whenever a message comes
> in. you can use multiple aliases, so why not use multiple scripts as
> recipients ?
> 
> in /etc/aliases
> your-list: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post your-list  
> |/usr/local/bin/qrun
> 
> where qrun is
> #!/bin/bash
> sleep 60 # give sendmail the chance to process the first alias
> /your/path/to/qrunner

Almost.

I have it working that, thanks again for the idea. The trick is to get 
qrunner started as user mailman (or whoever is the mailman user). Either
write a suid wrapper, or (less secure) have a .forward file for the user
list and deliver ingoing mail also to that user.

Q: what about -admin and -request? I guess they also need qrunner?

Have not tested what happens if qrunner is started as nobody.nogroup -
if that would work I could remove the above workaround.

cheers
-- vbi


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From claw at kanga.nu  Wed May 22 09:32:53 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:32:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only Mailing Lists 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Benjamin Young"  
   of "Mon, 20 May 2002 19:37:48 PDT."  
References:  
Message-ID: <24789.1022052773@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 20 May 2002 19:37:48 -0700 
Benjamin Young  wrote:

> I am new to Mailman and have searched the archives without finding a
> solution to my problem but could not find an answer. I would like to
> create a list where only the admin has permission to post (e.g. an
> announcements list).

Create a moderated list (moderator must approve all posts), and then
list the one person who can post in "Addresses of members accepted for
posting to this list without implicit approval requirement".

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From tzafrir at technion.ac.il  Wed May 22 12:04:42 2002
From: tzafrir at technion.ac.il (Tzafrir Cohen)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 13:04:42 +0300 (IDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] undumping a db file
Message-ID: 

Hi

Is it possible to recreate a .db file from its dump as created by dumpdb?

I tried to move the mailing lists data from /usr/lib/mailman to
/var/mailman (part of a general upgrade) and somehow things didn't go very
well.

The data of the list is already in the new localtion, but it seems that
the db contains the pathes of the old localtion. I somehow have ignored
move_list . I would like to avoid moving/copying back the data at the
moment if it is possible because the symlinks in archive/ .

I tried dumping config.db of the lists and editing it (can be easily
automated), but I can't figure out how to "undump" the modified dump file.

I currently have mailman 2.0.9

-- 
Tzafrir Cohen
mailto:tzafrir at technion.ac.il
http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir






From sgreverend at attbi.com  Wed May 22 12:47:55 2002
From: sgreverend at attbi.com (Sylvie Greverend)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 06:47:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only Mailing Lists
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

There is another way to do (for those that can't patch mailman)
It is to ignore  the mailman user interface and to use the commands by mail
in your own interface: here an example in php
mail($to, "subscribe xxx nodigest address=".$email, "", $from);
mail($to, "unsubscribe xxx ".$email, "", $from);
and to configure the list in order only the administrator can post
(described in another message)
It works, it is not using the software in a other manner, it is using a part
of the soft :-)
  -----Original Message-----
  From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Benjamin Young
  Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 10:38 PM
  To: mailman-users at python.org
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only Mailing Lists


  Hi all,

  I am new to Mailman and have searched the archives without finding a
solution to my problem but could not find an answer. I would like to create
a list where only the admin has permission to post (e.g. an announcements
list).

  I could find no way to do this but this is OK if there is a way to
customize the welcome and help messages. I already customized the
List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome message but this only
adds the message to the beginning of the pre-written message. I could not
find any folders related to the list software in my site's files but can I
modify the entire welcome message for each of my lists?

  Thanks!
  Benjamin
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From woodie at webfoot.net  Wed May 22 15:31:23 2002
From: woodie at webfoot.net (Woodie Sayles)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:31:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How many messages can Mm handle?
Message-ID: 

I know this depends on cpu and memory, but can anyone give me an idea on how
many postings/messages Mailman can handle per hour or per day?

Woodie Sayles
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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Wed May 22 18:19:27 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn?= Nettingsmeier)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:19:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How many messages can Mm handle?
References: 
Message-ID: <3CEBC50F.234C97DE@folkwang-hochschule.de>

> Woodie Sayles wrote:
> 
> I know this depends on cpu and memory, but can anyone give me an idea
> on how many postings/messages Mailman can handle per hour or per day?
> 

(1) please post in plain text.
(2) mailman is not the bottleneck in most cases. it will handle as many
mails as your outgoing MTA, which in turn strongly depends on the disk
subsystema and the amount of RAM on the host. a fat outward pipe would
also come handy. some figures are in the faq, and the list.org page has
a "mailman in use" section that lists a number of huge deployments.




From jkezar at doc.state.vt.us  Wed May 22 18:20:11 2002
From: jkezar at doc.state.vt.us (Joseph Kezar)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 12:20:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suddenly Stopped
Message-ID: <048201c201ac$8c3680a0$4b66699f@doc.state.vt.us>

we have been using MailMan 2.0.6 for quite a long time here.  Last week the digests stopped going out at noon(12:00pm).  The cron job returns this error:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 65, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 42, in main
    send_list_digest(mlist)
  File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 53, in send_list_digest
    ToDigest.inject_digest(mlist, digestfile, topicsfile)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 176, in inject_digest
    msg = digest.asText()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 245, in asText
    return self.Present(mime=0)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 279, in Present
    lines.append(self.__mlist.digest_header % self.TemplateRefs())
ValueError: unsupported format character 'r' (0x72)

The cron command is /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests
What could have broken this?  And how can it be fixed?

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From paul at paulsfunhouse.com  Wed May 22 18:37:04 2002
From: paul at paulsfunhouse.com (Paul Croft)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:37:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade differences
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020522113343.031fc9b0@paulsfunhouse.com>

Hi

I am one of those users without Shell access to Mailman and access it 
through a control panel on my website....recently (I think this 
weekend)...my host upgraded to 2.0.10 and I would like to know where I 
could find out what changes have been made to the software in this upgrade.

Is there a site that lists the new features that are in this version?

TIA

Paul





From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed May 22 19:31:45 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:31:45 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suddenly Stopped
References: <048201c201ac$8c3680a0$4b66699f@doc.state.vt.us>
Message-ID: <3CEBD601.53D8D935@pcraft.com>

Joseph Kezar wrote:

>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 279, in Present
>     lines.append(self.__mlist.digest_header % self.TemplateRefs())
> ValueError: unsupported format character 'r' (0x72) What could have broken
> this?  And how can it be fixed?

    Someone edited the digest template?  Check for characters needing to be
escaped...I think - I don't use the digest feature on none but one of my lists.

--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner    .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.







From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed May 22 19:33:04 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:33:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] undumping a db file
References: 
Message-ID: <3CEBD650.2608ECCC@pcraft.com>

Tzafrir Cohen wrote:

> The data of the list is already in the new localtion, but it seems that
> the db contains the pathes of the old localtion. I somehow have ignored
> move_list . I would like to avoid moving/copying back the data at the
> moment if it is possible because the symlinks in archive/ .

    Run move_list on the lists, in the new location.  It takes care of it for
you.

--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner    .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.







From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Wed May 22 19:52:27 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 10:52:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade differences
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020522113343.031fc9b0@paulsfunhouse.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020522113343.031fc9b0@paulsfunhouse.com>
Message-ID: <20020522175227.GR31629@merlins.org>

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 11:37:04AM -0500, Paul Croft wrote:
> Is there a site that lists the new features that are in this version?

There are announced right here, you can read the archives, but I'll save you
time, it's only bug fixes.
New features are in mailman 2.1

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key




From john at meissen.org  Wed May 22 20:09:52 2002
From: john at meissen.org (John Meissen)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:09:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] importing archive 
In-Reply-To: (Your message of Mon, 20 May 2002 17:38:04 +0200.)
             <00c201c20014$5524b490$6801a8c0@metaonline.it> 
Message-ID: <20020522180952.ED7A77469C@john.meissen.org>

stefan.guerra at metaonline.it said:
> How do I import an archive into a new mailing list?

I had the same question when I set my list(s) up, and I saw it often
enough in the archives (usually unanswered) that I'm surprised it's not
in the FAQ.

If your archive is in mbox format copy it to 
   archives/private/.mbox/.mbox  (where  is your list name)
then run
    bin/arch  archives/private/.mbox/.mbox

If it's not in mbox format then you need to figure out how to convert it
from whatever form it's in to mbox.

john-






From bruced at lathropengineering.com  Wed May 22 20:23:59 2002
From: bruced at lathropengineering.com (Bruce den Dulk)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:23:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow email
Message-ID: <3CEBE23F.40401@lathropengineering.com>

When I send an email to our mailman list it takes 90 to 120 minutes to 
distribute (our list only contains 15 addresses).  If I send an email 
directly to an individual that is on the list it arrives almost 
instantly.  Any ideas what might be causing the delay when sending to 
the list?





From valites at geneseo.edu  Wed May 22 20:58:15 2002
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:58:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce log & config.db dump info
Message-ID: 

I had asked a while ago about what certain entries in the bounce log
meant, and John was kind enough to answer.

(http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mailman-users&m=100282252809791)

I was wondering if there is any info for all the other messages I see in
the bounce logs & entries in from a dump of the config.db.  What do
digester lucked out, exceeded limits, first, etc mean?

What do entries like these from the bounc_info section of a dump mean?:
'addr1 at place.com': [1021219441.03, 645.0, 645.0],
                       'addr2 at aol.com': [1020431461.24, 550.0, 550.0],
                       'addr3 at place3.com': [1021329180.57, 660.0, 660.0],
                       'addr4 at hotmail.msn.com': [   1021230000.97,
                                                         647.0,
                                                         647.0],

Any reason some are broken up over multiple lines?

I see no failed delivery messages in my mail logs for a certain user, but
one of my list admins tells me they aren't receveiving any mail & was
wondering if it is a problem with their isp.  Any suggestions for
troubleshooting to see if the problem is mailman related or MTA related? -
I'm sure understanding the info above is a good start...

>--))> >--))>
Mark T. Valites
Unix Systems Analyst
1 College Circle - 124b1 South Hall
SUNY Geneseo
Geneseo, NY 14454
585-245-5577
585-259-3471 (Cell)





From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Wed May 22 21:22:33 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn?= Nettingsmeier)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 21:22:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] importing archive
References: <20020522180952.ED7A77469C@john.meissen.org>
Message-ID: <3CEBEFF9.8A19385B@folkwang-hochschule.de>

John Meissen wrote:
> 
> stefan.guerra at metaonline.it said:
> > How do I import an archive into a new mailing list?
> 
> I had the same question when I set my list(s) up, and I saw it often
> enough in the archives (usually unanswered) that I'm surprised it's not
> in the FAQ.

you can enter faq entries yourself. the password is "mailman".




From rbrandt at sbdsl.com  Thu May 23 08:35:57 2002
From: rbrandt at sbdsl.com (Rob Brandt)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 23:35:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with new mailman 2.1 install
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020522232802.02990c70@pop3d.sbdsl.com>

I'm doing a new installation of mailman v2.1 beta on a new linux 
server.  During 'make install', I get:

Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (most recent call first):
   File "/bin/update", line 44, in ?
     import paths
ImportError: no module named paths
make: *** [update] Error 1

What does this mean and what do I do about it?

TIA

Rob





From wheakory at isu.edu  Thu May 23 08:52:56 2002
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 00:52:56 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python and Mailman problem
Message-ID: <3CEC91C8.F9173162@isu.edu>

Critical trying to run Python 2.1 on my production mailman 2.0.11
Univeristy Mailing Lists. I had to revert back to Python1.5.2
Does Python 2.1 work with  Mailman 2.0.11.
Details & and error messages below. Does anyone know the solution of
this problem below?

I've install mailman 2.0.11 on Red Hat 7.2 and it was working fine until

I upgrade to Python 2.1. Once I upgraded to this version everything
seemed fine for 5 hours. I was able to receive messages from my mailing
lists at our University. The Web Interface administrator options for the

lists all worked fine. Then messages started piling in "qfiles" and it
would not send anymore messages out. I moved them out of the queue and
started moving them back in one at a time and then again the messages
seemed to be sent properly, but then they started piling back up in the
qfiles directory again .   Here is the errors I received in the "error"
logfile. I'm not totally efficient on Python yet, so I would like some
help I would appreciate it. (Quite a few messages on CORRUPTED ARCHIVES
and module regex not found)

ERROR LOG FILE

May 21 10:20:01 2002 (31161) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: libstaff
May 21 10:20:02 2002 qrunner(31161): Traceback (most recent call last):
May 21 10:20:02 2002 qrunner(31161):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 220, in ArchiveMail
May 21 10:20:02 2002 qrunner(31161):     h =
HyperArch.HyperArchive(self)
May 21 10:20:02 2002 qrunner(31161): AttributeError:
'Mailman.Archiver.HyperArch' module has no attribute 'HyperArchive'
May 21 10:20:02 2002 (31161) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: relief
May 21 10:20:02 2002 qrunner(31161): Traceback (most recent call last):
May 21 10:20:02 2002 qrunner(31161):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 220, in ArchiveMail
May 21 10:20:02 2002 qrunner(31161):     h =
HyperArch.HyperArchive(self)
May 21 10:20:02 2002 qrunner(31161): AttributeError:
'Mailman.Archiver.HyperArch' module has no attribute 'HyperArchive'
May 21 10:20:02 2002 (31161) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: ultimate
May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203): Traceback (most recent call last):
May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 219, in ArchiveMail
May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203):     import HyperArch
May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 47, in ?
May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203):     from Mailman import EncWord
May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/EncWord.py", line 21, in ?
May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203):     import base64
May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203):   File
"/tmp/32444-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.1/base64.py", line 7, in ?
May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203):     import binascii
May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203): ImportError: No module named
binascii

May 21 10:22:01 2002 (31203) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: korymail
May 21 10:28:01 2002 qrunner(31258): Traceback (most recent call last):
May 21 10:28:01 2002 qrunner(31258):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 219, in ArchiveMail
May 21 10:28:01 2002 qrunner(31258):     import HyperArch
May 21 10:28:01 2002 qrunner(31258):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 47, in ?
May 21 10:28:01 2002 qrunner(31258):     from Mailman import EncWord
May 21 10:28:01 2002 qrunner(31258):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/EncWord.py", line 21, in ?
May 21 10:28:01 2002 qrunner(31258):     import base64
May 21 10:28:01 2002 qrunner(31258):   File
"/tmp/32444-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.1/base64.py", line 7, in ?
May 21 10:28:01 2002 qrunner(31258):     import binascii
May 21 10:28:01 2002 qrunner(31258): ImportError: No module named
binascii

3:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122): Traceback (most recent call last):
May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):   File
"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):      kids = main(lock)
May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):   File
"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main
May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):      keepqueued =
dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):   File
"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 121, in dispose_message
May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):      if
BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg):
May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 57, in ScanMessages

May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):      mod =
__import__('Mailman.Bouncers.'+modname)
May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Catchall.py", line 34, in ?
May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):      import regsub
May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):   File
"/usr/lib/python2.1/regsub.py", line 20, in ?
May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):      import regex
May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122): ImportError :  No module named
regex

Kory Wheatley
Idaho State University





From martin at zyntax.com  Thu May 23 11:14:41 2002
From: martin at zyntax.com (Martin Stenkilde)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 11:14:41 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] search on archive
Message-ID: <19814578803.20020523111441@zyntax.com>

Hello mailman-users,

I am new to this list, and hope I am not asking something obvious or
something covered in the FAQ's - but although I have looked I have been unable
to find the answer - so here goes :)

I have configured and is running mailman (what a awesome product) on a
redhat linux box, and its talking toa news server as well ... all that
works perfect.

Question: how do I add a search functionality to my e-mail archive ?
(such as http://www.htdig.org) - any how-to's or ideas are welcome :P

Thank you,
Martin

ps: if such a search engine was already on www.list.org, I might not
have needed to ask at all :)





From martin at zyntax.com  Thu May 23 11:23:08 2002
From: martin at zyntax.com (Martin Stenkilde)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 11:23:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] search on archive
In-Reply-To: <19814578803.20020523111441@zyntax.com>
References: <19814578803.20020523111441@zyntax.com>
Message-ID: <14415086403.20020523112308@zyntax.com>

great ... how embarrassing ...

just had a look at: Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

which is a different faq than the one I looked at .. and the very first
entry is: 1.11. How do I make the archives searchable

I apologize for taking your time and bandwidth ... and will shut up
again now :/

Martin





From mailman at icn.net  Thu May 23 14:49:47 2002
From: mailman at icn.net (Bill Poff)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 08:49:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only Mailing Lists
In-Reply-To: <24789.1022052773@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: 

JC,

I've looked and looked and cannot find "Addresses of members accepted for
posting to this list without implicit approval requirement".

I'm using version 2.1b1 are you looking at a different version?

I feel that all of the "read-Only" parameters should be put in one place on
the menu. There is a lot of confusion among users about the configuration of
a read-only list and this might help answer some of those questions.

At our shop, about 75% of the lists are read-only. I feel that a significant
number of users have/need read-only lists. Let's make it a little easier for
these folks.

--Bill

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of J C Lawrence
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 2:33 AM
> To: Benjamin Young
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only Mailing Lists
>
>
> On Mon, 20 May 2002 19:37:48 -0700
> Benjamin Young  wrote:
>
> > I am new to Mailman and have searched the archives without finding a
> > solution to my problem but could not find an answer. I would like to
> > create a list where only the admin has permission to post (e.g. an
> > announcements list).
>
> Create a moderated list (moderator must approve all posts), and then
> list the one person who can post in "Addresses of members accepted for
> posting to this list without implicit approval requirement".
>
> --
> J C Lawrence
> ---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
> claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
> http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.
>
>
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From randerson at mnsd.org  Thu May 23 16:01:55 2002
From: randerson at mnsd.org (Robb Anderson)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:01:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI-GID problem (wanted 99, got -1)
Message-ID: <5187F27C25BCD411BBD300805F38195FE42E@mnsd2>

I've been reading through all the documentation for both Mailman and apache
and can't seem to figure this out.  i also couldn't find anything in the
archives

I'm running Redhat 7.3, Mailman 2.0.11, and Apache 2.  

i compiled both apache and mailman from source code and made all the changes
to permissions and added the lines to the files as specified in the Mailman
install docs.   when i get to the end and create a newlist the message gets
sent out and when i go to the page specified in the E-mail i get the CGI-GID
error page.   expected 99 got -1 (reconfigure to take -1?)  so i went back
did make clean and then did a ./configure setting the cgi-GID to be -1 and
it tells me no such group exists, so i tried GID apache, no such group
again.   i was about to try nobody, which is the group that apache seems to
be running under (it's definitely the user anyway) but that GID is 99.
which is what it expected to begin with.    

anyone able to help me or point me towards some Docs that will help me solve
this problem, I'm having no luck finding anything.  



TIA
Robb




From benjamincyoung at hotmail.com  Wed May 22 07:08:53 2002
From: benjamincyoung at hotmail.com (Benjamin Young)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:08:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 Auto Message Config
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I am using Mailman 2.0.1 and would like to know if Mailman 2.1 will enable end users (who do not have access to the config files) to edit the complete Welcome message, and maybe even the help message. I am aware of several other improvements that will take effect with 2.1 but this is the one feature that is most important to me.

Thanks!
Benjamin
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From Ben at leibig.net  Wed May 22 07:33:53 2002
From: Ben at leibig.net (Ben Leibig)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 01:33:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Your spelling
Message-ID: <000401c20152$43458210$9865fea9@tritium>

You mention many times in your website that your name is spelled Mailman,
but your logo says MailMan.  What gives?


	Cheers,
		Ben





From davidtg at justpickone.org  Wed May 22 14:41:52 2002
From: davidtg at justpickone.org (David T-G)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 07:41:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [SAtalk] One Last Question Before I Start Installing SpamAssassin...
In-Reply-To: <1022015837.3ceab95d3b22a@halemail.dyndns.org>
References: <1022015837.3ceab95d3b22a@halemail.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <20020522124152.GA818@justpickone.org>

Jim --

...and then Jim Hale said...
% 
% I've decided that until I get comfortable with running SA as a system-wide 
% util, I'm going to set it up for individuals on my EMail server (there's only 5 
% so copying the files needed shouldn't be a big hassle) - anyway - is there a 

Note that you can install it at the system level and then have users call
it themselves before you insert it in the main mail pipe; you don't have
to duplicate the installation in order to have it only work for users X,
Y, and Z.


% way to link SA to process incoming messages to a mailing list and snagging them 
% before they go out? I know that it will catch the copy of the message sent to 
% ME, but can it catch the message before it gets shipped off to 100+ people?

You have to insert it before the list software catches it.  It appears
from your crossposting that you're using postfix and mailman, neither of
which I know terribly well, but there has to be a way your system
resolves listaddr at yoursite to hand it to mailman; just have it hand it to
procmail for processing (and possible flushing/bouncing/whatnot) and then
let procmail hand it to mailman.


% 
% Thanks!

HTH & HAND


% 
% Jim Hale
% ---
% Jim & Kathy's Website Collection
% http://hale.dyndns.org


:-D
-- 
David T-G                      * It's easier to fight for one's principles
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From Josh.S.Feingold at irs.gov  Wed May 22 15:25:14 2002
From: Josh.S.Feingold at irs.gov (Feingold Josh S)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:25:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Hosting
Message-ID: <67C18A40A655D3119CDD0004ACE530C60541C208@chm0010mb01>

Do you know of anyone who would offer to host my low volume mailing list for
me using mailman?

Thanks,
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From snackboyjr at yahoo.com  Wed May 22 18:30:08 2002
From: snackboyjr at yahoo.com (Dan Crane)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:30:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail questions-unsubscribing and mass subscribing
Message-ID: <20020522163008.98653.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com>

I have just started a new list using Mailman, hosted
on pair.com, and I want to know if there is a quick
way for users to unsubscribe, without going to the
admin page. For example, is there a command that can
be added to the email address or subject line that
would auto-unsubscribe a member from the list?

I have looked through the FAQs and documentation and
cannot find any info on this.

Also, if you mass subscribe members (I am migrating my
list from another service) how are password assigned?

Thanks for your help!

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From benjamincyoung at hotmail.com  Wed May 22 19:29:27 2002
From: benjamincyoung at hotmail.com (benjamincyoung at hotmail.com)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 10:29:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only Mailing Lists
References:  <24789.1022052773@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: 

Thanks. That's exactly what I did but the welcome message sent out still
tells subscribers how to post, etc... which is what bothers me. I know from
combing through the archives that there is no way to fix this without access
to the config files but is there an alternate solution or does anyone know
if Mm 2.1 will offer an option for editing the whole welcome message?

Thanks!
Benjamin

----- Original Message -----
>I would like to
> create a list where only the admin has permission to post (e.g. an
> announcements list).

Create a moderated list (moderator must approve all posts), and then
list the one person who can post in "Addresses of members accepted for
posting to this list without implicit approval requirement".





From webmaster at isu.edu  Thu May 23 00:48:21 2002
From: webmaster at isu.edu (Webmaster)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:48:21 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python Upgrade problem with mailman
Message-ID: <3CEC2035.4DF7A459@isu.edu>

Very critical does anyone know if Pytnon 2.1 will work with mailman
2.0.11, (problems with
my production mailing lists)


Explanation below:

 I've install mailman 2.0.11 on Red Hat 7.2 and it was working fine
until
I upgrade to Python 2.1. Once I upgraded to this version everything
 seemed fine for 5 hours. I was able to receive messages from my mailing

 lists at our University. The Web Interface administrator options for
the
 lists all worked fine. Then messages started piling in "qfiles" and it
 would not send anymore messages out. I moved them out of the queue and
started moving them back in one at a time and then again the messages
 seemed to be sent properly, but then they started piling back up in the

 qfiles directory again .   Here is the errors I received in the "error"

 logfile. I'm not totally efficient on Python yet, so I would like some
 help I would appreciate it. (Quite a few messages on CORRUPTED ARCHIVES

 and module regex not found)

 ERROR LOG FILE

> May 21 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(31161): Traceback (most recent call
last):
> May 21 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(31161):   File
> "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 219, in ArchiveMail

> May 21 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(31161):     import HyperArch
> May 21 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(31161):   File
> "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 47, in ?
> May 21 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(31161):     from Mailman import EncWord
> May 21 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(31161):   File
> "/home/mailman/Mailman/EncWord.py", line 21, in ?
> May 21 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(31161):     import base64
> May 21 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(31161):   File
> "/tmp/32444-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.1/base64.py", line 7, in ?
> May 21 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(31161):     import binascii
> May 21 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(31161): ImportError: No module named
> binascii
> May 21 10:20:01 2002 (31161) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: libstaff
> May 21 10:20:02 2002 qrunner(31161): Traceback (most recent call
last):
> May 21 10:20:02 2002 qrunner(31161):   File
> "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 220, in ArchiveMail

> May 21 10:20:02 2002 qrunner(31161):     h =
> HyperArch.HyperArchive(self)
> May 21 10:20:02 2002 qrunner(31161): AttributeError:
> 'Mailman.Archiver.HyperArch' module has no attribute 'HyperArchive'
> May 21 10:20:02 2002 (31161) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: relief
> May 21 10:20:02 2002 qrunner(31161): Traceback (most recent call
last):
> May 21 10:20:02 2002 qrunner(31161):   File
> "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 220, in ArchiveMail

> May 21 10:20:02 2002 qrunner(31161):     h =
> HyperArch.HyperArchive(self)
> May 21 10:20:02 2002 qrunner(31161): AttributeError:
> 'Mailman.Archiver.HyperArch' module has no attribute 'HyperArchive'
> May 21 10:20:02 2002 (31161) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: ultimate
> May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203): Traceback (most recent call
last):
> May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203):   File
> "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 219, in ArchiveMail

> May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203):     import HyperArch
> May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203):   File
> "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 47, in ?
> May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203):     from Mailman import EncWord
> May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203):   File
> "/home/mailman/Mailman/EncWord.py", line 21, in ?
> May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203):     import base64
> May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203):   File
> "/tmp/32444-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.1/base64.py", line 7, in ?
> May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203):     import binascii
> May 21 10:22:01 2002 qrunner(31203): ImportError: No module named
> binascii


> 3:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122): Traceback (most recent call last):
> May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):   File
> "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
> May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):      kids = main(lock)
> May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):   File
> "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main
> May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):      keepqueued =
> dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
> May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):   File
> "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 121, in dispose_message
> May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):      if
> BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg):
> May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):   File
> "/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 57, in
ScanMessages
>
> May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):      mod =
> __import__('Mailman.Bouncers.'+modname)
> May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):   File
> "/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Catchall.py", line 34, in ?
> May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):      import regsub
> May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):   File
> "/usr/lib/python2.1/regsub.py", line 20, in ?
> May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122):      import regex
> May 21 13:26:01 2002 qrunner(32122): ImportError :  No module named
> regex

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From rcb at ucp.uchicago.edu  Thu May 23 17:52:08 2002
From: rcb at ucp.uchicago.edu (Roy Bixler)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:52:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Python and Mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <3CEC91C8.F9173162@isu.edu>
References: <3CEC91C8.F9173162@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <20020523155208.GA20316@ucp.uchicago.edu>

On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 12:52:56AM -0600, Kory Wheatley wrote:
> Critical trying to run Python 2.1 on my production mailman 2.0.11
> Univeristy Mailing Lists. I had to revert back to Python1.5.2
> Does Python 2.1 work with  Mailman 2.0.11.

I got it to work with Python 2.2.1 but this one was built from source
on Solaris 8 and I remember having to uncomment a lot of modules at
the Modules/Setup file before the build.  Also, I needed to patch the
Mailman/Bouncers/Catchall.py file because 'regex' didn't seem to be
there to include (maybe I missed something but anyway I didn't think
it worthwhile to figure out how to get 'regex' included if it's
obsolete and only one module of Mailman needs it.)  I posted the patch
to the Mailman developers' list earlier this month but I can send it
if you can't find it and are interested.

R.




From rbrandt at sbdsl.com  Thu May 23 18:16:09 2002
From: rbrandt at sbdsl.com (Rob Brandt)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:16:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with new mailman 2.1 install
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020522232802.02990c70@pop3d.sbdsl.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020522232802.02990c70@pop3d.sbdsl.com>
Message-ID: 

Working too late again - I had forgotten that I had uninstalled 
python-devel a hour or two prior to this.  Installed it again, all is 
well.

Rob


>I'm doing a new installation of mailman v2.1 beta on a new linux 
>server.  During 'make install', I get:
>
>Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
>Traceback (most recent call first):
>   File "/bin/update", line 44, in ?
>     import paths
>ImportError: no module named paths
>make: *** [update] Error 1
>
>What does this mean and what do I do about it?
>
>TIA
>
>Rob


-- 




From donal.hunt2 at mail.dcu.ie  Thu May 23 20:48:28 2002
From: donal.hunt2 at mail.dcu.ie (Donal Hunt)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:48:28 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI-GID problem (wanted 99, got -1)
Message-ID: <3CED397C.9C5DD586@mail.dcu.ie>

Robb,

I'm pretty sure this is related to a bug with suexec and cgid in Apache
2 (though i could be wrong). A developer on one of the systems here in
DCU has written some patches that should be part of the apache 2.0.37
release.

In the meantime, these patches are available here:
		http://redbrick.dcu.ie/~colmmacc/httpd.patch

or you can mail Colm directly at colmmacc at redbrick.dcu.ie for more info.
Regards

Donal
DCU

Robb Anderson wrote:
> I've been reading through all the documentation for both Mailman and apache
> and can't seem to figure this out.  i also couldn't find anything in the
> archives
> 
> I'm running Redhat 7.3, Mailman 2.0.11, and Apache 2.  
> 
> i compiled both apache and mailman from source code and made all the changes
> to permissions and added the lines to the files as specified in the Mailman
> install docs.   when i get to the end and create a newlist the message gets
> sent out and when i go to the page specified in the E-mail i get the CGI-GID
> error page.   expected 99 got -1 (reconfigure to take -1?)  so i went back
> did make clean and then did a ./configure setting the cgi-GID to be -1 and
> it tells me no such group exists, so i tried GID apache, no such group
> again.   i was about to try nobody, which is the group that apache seems to
> be running under (it's definitely the user anyway) but that GID is 99.
> which is what it expected to begin with.    
> 
> anyone able to help me or point me towards some Docs that will help me solve
> this problem, I'm having no luck finding anything.




From jwblist at olympus.net  Thu May 23 22:36:53 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 13:36:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Your spelling
In-Reply-To: <000401c20152$43458210$9865fea9@tritium>
References: <000401c20152$43458210$9865fea9@tritium>
Message-ID: 

At 1:33 -0400 5/22/2002, Ben Leibig wrote:
>You mention many times in your website that your name is spelled Mailman,
>but your logo says MailMan.  What gives?

I'm sure you'll get a real answer, but until then...
   "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by
little statesmen and philosophers and devines."   Emerson.

  http://www.bartleby.com/100/420.47.html

And Ben, I am NOT saying you have a little mind.

   --John
-- 
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From g at pepperguy.com  Thu May 23 22:43:42 2002
From: g at pepperguy.com (Grant Cummings)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:43:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not creating users?? (new install question)
Message-ID: <01b901c2029a$86b938e0$1100000a@reception>

I have installed Mailman 2.0.8 via the RPM from Redhat on a server running
Redhat 7.1

The install went fine, web interface works, I can set up new lists, add
users from the website, it mails out a confirmation email, BUT when I go to
send mail to the list, Sendmail bounces back telling me it's not a valid
user.  Sendmail is at version 8.11.6

What have I missed that allows Mailman to create users??

Thanks!
Grant





From mark at Rauterkus.Com  Thu May 23 23:24:49 2002
From: mark at Rauterkus.Com (Mark Rauterkus)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 17:24:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not creating users?? (new install question)
Message-ID: <200205232126.g4NLQF426414@rauterkus.com>

Hi,

Grant asked:
> What have I missed that allows Mailman to create users??

    aliases.

I do this:

On telnet session:
% newlist -o LISTNAME

Then a set of lines like this appears in the telnet window and an output
file is made in the same directory.

- - -  snip starts - - -


## LISTNAME mailing list
## created: 23-May-2002 username
LISTNAME:         "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post LISTNAME"
LISTNAME-admin:   "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner LISTNAME"
LISTNAME-request: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd LISTNAME"
LISTNAME-owner:   LISTNAME-admin

- - -  end snip - - -

Then, that info needs to be put into your sendmail file, "aliases". Then,
you need to run "vnewalises".

Then it should work.

My question for the *nix pros ---
How do you easily patch the contents of the output file (-o) into the
aliases file? The cut and paste is a drag with pico, and the word wrap is a
pain.


Ta.


Mark Rauterkus
Mark at Rauterkus.com    http://Rauterkus.com


PS: I was just hung up on the same question last week.






From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu May 23 23:36:00 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 15:36:00 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not creating users?? (new install question)
References: <200205232126.g4NLQF426414@rauterkus.com>
Message-ID: <3CED60C0.4A85745D@pcraft.com>

Mark Rauterkus wrote:

> How do you easily patch the contents of the output file (-o) into the
> aliases file? The cut and paste is a drag with pico, and the word wrap is a
> pain.

    newlist -o /etc/mail/aliases  (everything gets APPENDED)

    NOTE: this will _also_ output the aliases to standard output

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From greybeard at pobox.com  Fri May 24 00:49:24 2002
From: greybeard at pobox.com (William Waggoner)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 18:49:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forbidden posters doesn't ...
References: <000401c20152$43458210$9865fea9@tritium> 
Message-ID: <005a01c202ac$164bebe0$0401a8c0@greybeard.org>

Mailman 2.0.8

I put a name into the forbidden posters list (Privacy Options: "Addresses
whose postings are always held for approval",) hoping that I would get a
notice and it would be held if that "person" posted again.  Today a new
message came in and it went right through.

I had copied the address directly from the last message that came in,
including upper and lower case.  I did NOT include any comments or brackets,
just the email address itself.  Is there another trick to it?

The address I am trying to stop is: YourFriends at maildb.bluemountainarts.com
because they send out a small SPAM advert once a month or so just because
someone sent one of their greeting cards to the list once or twice.

Bill W






From danny at terweij.nl  Fri May 24 01:05:40 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 01:05:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List closed option
Message-ID: <009701c202ae$5c377aa0$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>

Hi,

There are some list admins that wants the list closed for a while when they
are on a long vacation. So that no members can post to the list.

I am thinking of the following :

testlist at domain.com wants to be closed a while.
So i as a site admin wants to do this :

etc/aliases

Change:
testlist "|\usr\local\vacation\closed"

The closed script must write a message back to the sender that the list is
closed for a while. But how to do this? can someone help me?

Danny.








From rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net  Fri May 24 01:28:19 2002
From: rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net (Bob Weissman)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:28:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not creating users?? (new install question)
In-Reply-To: <200205232126.g4NLQF426414@rauterkus.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020523162705.00a2b5c0@rlw.best.vwh.net>

At 02:24 PM 5/23/02, Mark Rauterkus wrote:
>How do you easily patch the contents of the output file (-o) into the
>aliases file? The cut and paste is a drag with pico, and the word wrap is a
>pain.

Why not just say
        newlist -o /etc/mail/aliases

- Bob





From john at meissen.org  Fri May 24 01:29:37 2002
From: john at meissen.org (John Meissen)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:29:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List closed option 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Danny Terweij"  
   of "Fri, 24 May 2002 01:05:40 +0200." <009701c202ae$5c377aa0$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org> 
Message-ID: <20020523232937.1CFE07469C@john.meissen.org>

danny at terweij.nl said:
> The closed script must write a message back to the sender that the
> list is closed for a while. But how to do this? can someone help me? 

You could try 'formail'. Something like:
(formail -kbrt ; echo "The list is temporarily closed." ;echo "";) | 
/usr/lib/sendmail -oi -t






From reed at affero.com  Fri May 24 02:20:19 2002
From: reed at affero.com (Christopher Reed)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 17:20:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail questions-unsubscribing and mass subscribing
References: <20020522163008.98653.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3CED8743.A3948864@affero.com>

Dan,

I am really interested in this as well. I would like it if there was a
way to auto unsubscribe after a period of designated time, like join for
a week, month year or indefinetly. If you find anything please let me
know. If we write any code here at affero I'll post it to the list. 

-Chris


Dan Crane wrote:
> 
> I have just started a new list using Mailman, hosted
> on pair.com, and I want to know if there is a quick
> way for users to unsubscribe, without going to the
> admin page. For example, is there a command that can
> be added to the email address or subject line that
> would auto-unsubscribe a member from the list?
> 
> I have looked through the FAQs and documentation and
> cannot find any info on this.
> 
> Also, if you mass subscribe members (I am migrating my
> list from another service) how are password assigned?
> 
> Thanks for your help!
> 
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From g at pepperguy.com  Fri May 24 03:05:24 2002
From: g at pepperguy.com (Grant Cummings)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 21:05:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not creating users?? (new install question) -- THANKS!!
In-Reply-To: <01b901c2029a$86b938e0$1100000a@reception>
Message-ID: <003b01c202bf$160f3660$6701a8c0@grantlaptop>

Just wanted to thank everyone!  The list is up and running now.  I
appreciate everyone's help!

Grant





From rbrandt at sbdsl.com  Fri May 24 08:29:18 2002
From: rbrandt at sbdsl.com (Rob Brandt)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 23:29:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1b2 installed and working (almost).
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020523232343.01d27ec0@pop3d.sbdsl.com>

I've gotten Mailman 2.1b2 installed on my new linux server.  It's using 
Postfix as an MTA.  I can create lists, but an error is generated.  The 
list does exists, and I can edit it and everything.  But it seems that 
there's a problem with creating aliases for it.  See the error page pasted 
in below.

I suspect that it's a permissions problem, but at this late time of night, 
I can no longer see the forest for the trees.  Initially I did get in the 
infamous 'wanted uid 99, got 48' error.  Miraculously, I remember getting 
that when I installed v2.05 last summer, and the solution to run apache as 
uid/gid nobody.  Here's the error page:

Bug in Mailman version 2.1b2

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of 
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what 
happened. Thanks!

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 82, in run_main
     main()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
     process_request(doc, cgidata)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 213, in 
process_request
     sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 225, in create
     _update_maps()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 46, in _update_maps
     raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias 
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)





Python information:

Variable
Value

sys.version
2.1.1 (#1, Mar 10 2002, 09:02:09) [GCC 2.95.4 20010319 
(prerelease/franzo/20011204)]

sys.executable
/usr/bin/python2

sys.prefix
/usr

sys.exec_prefix
/usr

sys.path
/usr

sys.platform
linux2


Environment variables:

Variable
Value

DOCUMENT_ROOT
/home/duckbox/www/

SERVER_ADDR
12.44.119.16

HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING
deflate, gzip, x-gzip, identity, *;q=0

REMOTE_HOST
intranet-10-1-20-150.sb.101freeway.net

CONTENT_TYPE
application/x-www-form-urlencoded

REMOTE_ADDR
10.1.20.150

SERVER_SOFTWARE
Apache/1.3.22 (Unix) (Linux) mod_ssl/2.8.5 OpenSSL/0.9.6b PHP/4.1.2 
mod_perl/1.24_01

GATEWAY_INTERFACE
CGI/1.1

HTTP_COOKIE
testduckbox+admin=28020000006977d9ed3c732800000062613935333537623936343935356631363461333265383661376462313862386563626561633666; 
lang=eng; sid=7110cdeeed6568a604ee933cd532cf16

HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE
en

REQUEST_URI
/mailman/create

REMOTE_PORT
4267

SERVER_PORT
80

HTTP_CONNECTION
Keep-Alive, TE

HTTP_USER_AGENT
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98) Opera 6.0 [en]

HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET
windows-1252;q=1.0, utf-8;q=1.0, utf-16;q=1.0, iso-8859-1;q=0.6, *;q=0.1

HTTP_ACCEPT
text/html, image/png, image/jpeg, image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, */*

HTTP_TE
deflate, gzip, chunked, identity, trailers

HTTP_COOKIE2
$Version="1"

QUERY_STRING


SERVER_PROTOCOL
HTTP/1.1

CONTENT_LENGTH
142

HTTP_HOST
www.duckbox.org

REQUEST_METHOD
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SERVER_SIGNATURE
Apache/1.3.22 Server at www.duckbox.org Port 80

SCRIPT_NAME
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SERVER_ADMIN
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SCRIPT_FILENAME
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PYTHONPATH
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HTTP_REFERER
http://www.duckbox.org/mailman/create

SERVER_NAME
www.duckbox.org





From jwildgrube at hotpop.com  Thu May 23 18:42:00 2002
From: jwildgrube at hotpop.com (John Wildgrube)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 12:42:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender Name
Message-ID: <001f01c20278$c56a3c00$e10311ac@usaep.org>

I know that Mailman was not necessarily designed to be a distribution
list manager, but I have a few lists that I have created for this
purpose.  What I am curious about is whether or not there is a way for a
message, when sent to a list, to appear as if sent by
"user at anyplace.com" instead of "listname at mailman.company.org on behalf
of User Name"

Any information would be much appreciated.






From jon at csh.rit.edu  Fri May 24 17:06:06 2002
From: jon at csh.rit.edu (Jon Parise)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 11:06:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1b2 installed and working (almost).
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020523232343.01d27ec0@pop3d.sbdsl.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020523232343.01d27ec0@pop3d.sbdsl.com>
Message-ID: <20020524150606.GB12449@csh.rit.edu>

On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 11:29:18PM -0700, Rob Brandt wrote:

> I've gotten Mailman 2.1b2 installed on my new linux server.  It's using 
> Postfix as an MTA.  I can create lists, but an error is generated.  The 
> list does exists, and I can edit it and everything.  But it seems that 
> there's a problem with creating aliases for it.  See the error page pasted 
> in below.
> 
> I suspect that it's a permissions problem, but at this late time of night, 
> I can no longer see the forest for the trees.  Initially I did get in the 
> infamous 'wanted uid 99, got 48' error.  Miraculously, I remember getting 
> that when I installed v2.05 last summer, and the solution to run apache as 
> uid/gid nobody.  Here's the error page:

[snip]
 
> RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias 
> /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)
 
Is /usr/sbin/postalias the correct path to postalias?  How are the
permissions set for /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases?

I have virtually the same setup working fine here, so it's probably
just a permissions mismatch, as you say.

-- 
Jon Parise (jon at csh.rit.edu)  .  Information Technology (2001)
http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jon/  :  Computer Science House Member




From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Fri May 24 17:56:23 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn?= Nettingsmeier)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 17:56:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] search on archive
References: <19814578803.20020523111441@zyntax.com> <14415086403.20020523112308@zyntax.com>
Message-ID: <3CEE62A7.700E5721@folkwang-hochschule.de>

Martin Stenkilde asked a question and answered to himself a few moments
later:

> great ... how embarrassing ...
> 
> just had a look at: Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 
> which is a different faq than the one I looked at ..

you were probably looking at
http://list.org/faq.html...

barry, do you think the link to the FAQ wizard could be made more
prominent ? 
i only became aware of it and the full faq after receiving my first list
mail (which has a link to the complete faq in the footer).

perhaps the current faq stub on the website can be folded into the faq
wizard and removed for good, to be replaced by a link only ?

just an idea,

j?rn




From cday at atpco.com  Fri May 24 18:15:55 2002
From: cday at atpco.com (Chad Day)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 12:15:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Integrating mailman passwords with mysql?
Message-ID: 

I'm looking for a way to tie the mailman authentication in with some other
authentication logic I have on my site, and am not sure how to best go about
it.  My user information (login name / email address / passwords) are
currently stored in a mysql database.. can someone tell me what files I
would need to change to have it do a mysql query instead of checking
whatever file it is checking now?  Do I need to know python to make these
changes, or is it fairly easy to drop these in?

Has anyone else done something like this and has some example code they can
share, or can someone point me in the right direction?  I browsed the
archives for a bit, but with no search functionality, I feel like I'd be
looking forever to find something.

Thanks,
Chad





From rbrandt at sbdsl.com  Fri May 24 18:27:14 2002
From: rbrandt at sbdsl.com (Rob Brandt)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 09:27:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1b2 installed and working (almost).
In-Reply-To: <20020524150606.GB12449@csh.rit.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020523232343.01d27ec0@pop3d.sbdsl.com>
 <20020524150606.GB12449@csh.rit.edu>
Message-ID: 

>On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 11:29:18PM -0700, Rob Brandt wrote:
>
>>  I've gotten Mailman 2.1b2 installed on my new linux server.  It's using
>>  Postfix as an MTA.  I can create lists, but an error is generated.  The
>>  list does exists, and I can edit it and everything.  But it seems that
>>  there's a problem with creating aliases for it.  See the error page pasted
>>  in below.
>>
>>  I suspect that it's a permissions problem, but at this late time of night,
>>  I can no longer see the forest for the trees.  Initially I did get in the
>>  infamous 'wanted uid 99, got 48' error.  Miraculously, I remember getting
>>  that when I installed v2.05 last summer, and the solution to run apache as
>>  uid/gid nobody.  Here's the error page:
>
>[snip]
>
>>  RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
>>  /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)
>
>Is /usr/sbin/postalias the correct path to postalias?

Yes.

>How are the
>permissions set for /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases?

u = root, g = root.  I also tried it as mailman and nobody.  chmod 
u=rwx, g=rx, all=rx

Also, /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases is correct, u=root, g=mailman, 
chmod u=rw, g=rw, all=---

Interestingly, I just tied it again to see the errors, and I noticed 
that 'aliases' had been 'touched'; the modification time was current. 
I then browsed the aliases for Postfix and sure enough, all the 
familiar aliases are listed there.  So it does seem to be creating 
the aliases.  So now I'm confused about what the error page is 
telling me.

>
>I have virtually the same setup working fine here, so it's probably
>just a permissions mismatch, as you say.

That's comforting to know.  Thanks for your help.

Rob

>--
>Jon Parise (jon at csh.rit.edu)  .  Information Technology (2001)
>http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jon/  :  Computer Science House Member




-- 




From wayne at sickkids.ca  Fri May 24 19:41:39 2002
From: wayne at sickkids.ca (Wayne Arnold)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:41:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting member list
Message-ID: 

Can this be done?? I need to make a list of users for backup purposes.



Wayne






From chrisw at signalbhn.org  Fri May 24 19:44:37 2002
From: chrisw at signalbhn.org (Chris Wiegand)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 11:44:37 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists not showing up on alternate port...
Message-ID: <000101c2034a$ad20b3e0$160fa8c0@signalbhn.org>

I was using mailing on a machine where apache served both port 80 and 81 (81
was the port we had to use for extenal access). If I go to the mailman site
on either port, it sees the name as mail.signalbhn.org, no problem, and
lists the list. However, I just added port 82, as we have to move to that
port now, and when I go to it on port 82, it sees the name as
mail.signalbhn.org:82, and so no lists show up... I can't seem to figure out
why it doesn't do that on port 81, or why it does do it on port 82... Any
way I can reset the lists so they're on the new port?






From chris at torfree.net  Fri May 24 19:47:40 2002
From: chris at torfree.net (Chris F.A. Johnson)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:47:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting member list
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

On Fri, 24 May 2002, Wayne Arnold wrote:

> Can this be done?? I need to make a list of users for backup purposes.

	list_members listname

    See http://www.list.org/MM21/admins.html for more command-line
    tools.

-- 
	Chris F.A. Johnson               http://cfaj.freeshell.org
	==========================================================
	-+   Everything in moderation -- including moderation   +-





From wayne at sickkids.ca  Fri May 24 19:57:05 2002
From: wayne at sickkids.ca (Wayne Arnold)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:57:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help mail loop
Message-ID: 

As of right now my list is in a mail loop where the digest is being sent out
once per minute to my 800 plus users. My hosting agency is looking into it
however it has been 2 hours. Is there any way to turn off a mailing list
through the admin interface without deleting the list?



Wayne






From chrisw at signalbhn.org  Fri May 24 19:59:55 2002
From: chrisw at signalbhn.org (Chris Wiegand)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 11:59:55 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists not showing up on alternate port...
In-Reply-To: <000101c2034a$ad20b3e0$160fa8c0@signalbhn.org>
Message-ID: <000201c2034c$d01d63a0$160fa8c0@signalbhn.org>

Never mind, I just adjusted apache to only do port 82, and everything works
now..

However, that brings up a potentially interesting option - to ignore all
virtual hosts/ips and just answer all requests as if they were for one
server. Not all of us are running 1000+ lists or members, even...

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Wiegand [mailto:chrisw at signalbhn.org]
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 11:45 AM
To: Mailman-Users (E-mail)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists not showing up on alternate port...


I was using mailing on a machine where apache served both port 80 and 81 (81
was the port we had to use for extenal access). If I go to the mailman site
on either port, it sees the name as mail.signalbhn.org, no problem, and
lists the list. However, I just added port 82, as we have to move to that
port now, and when I go to it on port 82, it sees the name as
mail.signalbhn.org:82, and so no lists show up... I can't seem to figure out
why it doesn't do that on port 81, or why it does do it on port 82... Any
way I can reset the lists so they're on the new port?




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From raquel at thericehouse.net  Fri May 24 21:12:17 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 12:12:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help mail loop
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20020524121217.4ad36bc1.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Fri, 24 May 2002 13:57:05 -0400
Wayne Arnold Wayne Arnold  wrote:

> As of right now my list is in a mail loop where the digest is
> being sent out
> once per minute to my 800 plus users. My hosting agency is looking
> into it
> however it has been 2 hours. Is there any way to turn off a
> mailing list
> through the admin interface without deleting the list?
> 
> 
> 
> Wayne

How about changing the settings so that a digest is not kept?  Just
as a temporary measure?

-- 
Raquel
============================================================
The poorest man is the man who has nothing but money.               
  --John D. Rockefeller, Sr.

                              
                              




From kremels at kreme.com  Fri May 24 22:39:20 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 14:39:20 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail is not getting distributed.
Message-ID: <4702.216.160.167.157.1022272760.squirrel@webmail.syth.serveftp.net>

I finally have webmail up and running and accessible via the web.  When I
try to send mail to the list, or to any list address (list-request,
list-owner) it get's caught in a relay-deny by my ISP.
It appears that the aliases in /etc/aliases and /etc/postfix/aliases and
~mailman/data/aliases are not getting processed, because what I see in
mail.log is a note that relaying to list-request at mydyndns.org is denied,
but list-request should be getting piped to "|/Users/mailman/mail/wrapper
mailcmd list"
If I do a do a grep on the aliases.db files (in ~mailman/data /etc/ and
/etc/postfix they all say the binary matched.
Now what?

-- 
You are responsible for your rose.
"Rule 5: Get Kirsten Dunst wet" (p 74 of Time 20-05-02)






From hohlej at dukat.rpc.msoe.edu  Fri May 24 22:55:13 2002
From: hohlej at dukat.rpc.msoe.edu (Jonathan Hohle)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:55:13 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix/mailman issues
Message-ID: 

i'm trying to use mailman with postfix, but i'm running into the same 
error on both servers i'm trying to run it on.  When i send a message to 
the list, postfix sends back the error:

: Command died with status 2:
    "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post testlist". Command output: Failure to 
exec
    script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)

wrapper is setgid correctly, but it doesn't seem to be running as mailman.  

i was using sendmail with Mailman before and everything worked fine, it 
was when postfix was installed that the problems started.

any suggestions or solutions are very appreciated.

jon hohle
hohlej at rpc.msoe.edu
<><





From jon at csh.rit.edu  Fri May 24 23:15:20 2002
From: jon at csh.rit.edu (Jon Parise)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 17:15:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix/mailman issues
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20020524211520.GF23346@csh.rit.edu>

On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 03:55:13PM -0500, Jonathan Hohle wrote:

> i'm trying to use mailman with postfix, but i'm running into the same 
> error on both servers i'm trying to run it on.  When i send a message to 
> the list, postfix sends back the error:
> 
> : Command died with status 2:
>     "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post testlist". Command output: Failure to 
> exec
>     script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)
> 
> wrapper is setgid correctly, but it doesn't seem to be running as mailman.  
 
Postfix will execute the wrapper with the permissions of the owner of
the aliases file.  If that file is owned by the superuser, Postfix
will fall back to a "nobody" user (configurable).

You probably want your Mailman aliases stored in an aliases file owned
by the mailman user (probably with group ID 12).

-- 
Jon Parise (jon at csh.rit.edu)  .  Information Technology (2001)
http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jon/  :  Computer Science House Member




From ppruett at webengr.com  Fri May 24 23:15:26 2002
From: ppruett at webengr.com (Paul Pruett)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 21:15:26 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] optional display name for generated replyto and from address?
Message-ID: 


question,

We are using Mailman version 2.0.8, which is in the ports for OpenBSD 3.1

I have been asked by list users if the "optional display name" could
be sent with the addr-spec 
when mailman includes its email address and when mailman includes
a specific email address, like the replyto specified.

I looked and tested the interface features, then looked some but
not exhaustively at the python code and templates.  I got errors
when trying to enter an email address in the format using angle brackets
for an explicit reply to.

Is it possible to do this without significant changes, and if so
would the changes work for virtual hosting?






references:
----------
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html
RFC822 followed up by RFC2822 if one can understand it, states under
section 3.4
"..Normally, a mailbox is comprised of two parts: (1)
   an optional display name that indicates the name of the recipient
   (which could be a person or a system) that could be displayed to the
   user of a mail application, and (2) an addr-spec address enclosed in
   angle brackets ("<" and ">")...."








From rbrandt at sbdsl.com  Fri May 24 23:54:41 2002
From: rbrandt at sbdsl.com (Rob Brandt)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 14:54:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1b2 installed and working (almost).
In-Reply-To: <20020524150606.GB12449@csh.rit.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020523232343.01d27ec0@pop3d.sbdsl.com>
 <20020524150606.GB12449@csh.rit.edu>
Message-ID: 

More insight to this problem:

It's permissions in aliases.db, as the httpd error log tells me. 
I've proved that to be true by setting the permissions for aliases.db 
to be read/write for all users, and it now works.  I'm certain that's 
*not* really what I want, but I'm not sure what the permissions 
*should* be' i.e., which user and group.  They are currently 
u=mailman, g=mailman.  I did try changing user to root just to see 
what would happen, but it didn't help the list creation and it 
prevented mail from being sent through the lists because of a script 
error.

Another problem.  The domain used to access the archives seems to 
always use the value found in DEFAULT_URL_HOST in mm_cfg.py.  It 
should use the same domain as is on the link page, or at least in the 
preferred host field.  It looks funny to start at one domain and end 
up at another.  Or do I not have something set right?

Rob

At 11:06 AM -0400 5/24/2002, Jon Parise wrote:
>On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 11:29:18PM -0700, Rob Brandt wrote:
>
>>  I've gotten Mailman 2.1b2 installed on my new linux server.  It's using
>>  Postfix as an MTA.  I can create lists, but an error is generated.  The
>>  list does exists, and I can edit it and everything.  But it seems that
>>  there's a problem with creating aliases for it.  See the error page pasted
>>  in below.
>>
>>  I suspect that it's a permissions problem, but at this late time of night,
>>  I can no longer see the forest for the trees.  Initially I did get in the
>>  infamous 'wanted uid 99, got 48' error.  Miraculously, I remember getting
>>  that when I installed v2.05 last summer, and the solution to run apache as
>>  uid/gid nobody.  Here's the error page:
>
>[snip]
>
>>  RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
>>  /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)
>
>Is /usr/sbin/postalias the correct path to postalias?  How are the
>permissions set for /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases?
>
>I have virtually the same setup working fine here, so it's probably
>just a permissions mismatch, as you say.
>
>--
>Jon Parise (jon at csh.rit.edu)  .  Information Technology (2001)
>http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jon/  :  Computer Science House Member


-- 




From eocallaghan at ati.com  Sat May 25 00:44:08 2002
From: eocallaghan at ati.com (Eric O'Callaghan)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 18:44:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failure to exec script
Message-ID: 


I am new to Mailman ang get the following error when I send email to a test
list:

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 47.  (Reconfigure to take
47?)

The documentation suggests re-installing Mailman as the solution, I was
wondering if there is anyway around this?

Also, is it possible to dynamically extract subscriber information such as
email addresses from an external db source ?

TIA

 \Eric
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From alonso at pcprices.com.pe  Sat May 25 01:21:14 2002
From: alonso at pcprices.com.pe (Alonso Landauro Canales)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 18:21:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with Postfix installation error
Message-ID: <000001c20379$b2ef5270$9100a8c0@alonso>

Hello:

I am new at the list. I am also new at mailman. But I ve  been reading
and installing well mailman until now.
I am having some problems.
I think the problem is that mailman couldnt catch with postfix. Dont
know why.
Its says host not found.. But I dont know where to fix this.

The error log is:

 ERROR: 
> ======================================================================
> ==
> ========
> Enter the name of the list: alonso3
> Enter the email of the person running the list: alonso at pcprices.com.pe
> Initial alonso3 password:
> Entry for aliases file
>
> ## alonso3 mailing list
> ## created: 24-May-2002 root
> alonso3:                 "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post
alonso3"
> alonso3-admin:           "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
> alonso3"
> alonso3-request:         "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd
> alonso3"
> alonso3-owner:           alonso3-admin
>
> Hit enter to continue with alonso3 owner notification...
>
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "./newlist", line 220, in ?
>     main()
>   File "./newlist", line 213, in main
>     text)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman//Mailman/Message.py", line 211, in __init__
>     OutgoingMessage.__init__(self, text)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman//Mailman/Message.py", line 205, in __init__
>     self['Message-ID'] = Utils.make_msgid(idstring='Mailman')
>   File "/usr/local/mailman//Mailman/Utils.py", line 769, in make_msgid
>     idhost = socket.gethostbyaddr(socket.gethostname())[0]
> socket.error: host not found 


Thankyou very much,

Alonso Landauro Canales
==========================
PC Prices S.A.C.
Telf: 4477600
http://www.pcprices.com.pe
LIMA - PERU
==========================






From pilsl at goldfisch.at  Sat May 25 01:54:56 2002
From: pilsl at goldfisch.at (pilsl at goldfisch.at)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 01:54:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] use mailman2.1b for newsletter only
Message-ID: <20020525015456.A16161@goldfisch.at>

I just setup a list in mailman2.1b as a pure newsletter. So only very
few people should be able to send mails to this lists.

There are a few questions:

* as soon as somebody finds out this email-adresses, there is nothing
that prevents anyone from sending a mail with a faked sender that goes
out to all members of this list. What can I do againt this ?  I'd like
to have an option where also sending of messages to the list needs to
be confirmed by the sender.

Or is there any other way to gain more security here ? 

* I restricted sending mails by just setting the mod-flag to all the
other members. Is there a better way ?

* How can I edit the last few lines that mailman adds to each sent
mail ? It says "xxxxxxx mailing list" and then the adress of the list
and I'd like to have it say only "xxxxxxx newsletter" there ...



thnx,
peter




From mrjack at fastorama.com  Sat May 25 02:04:26 2002
From: mrjack at fastorama.com (MrJacK)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 02:04:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with subdomain
Message-ID: <009601c2037f$bc0eed60$b6575fd4@merlin>

Hi,

I have just setup Mailman with Postfix. Normal user ( ex :
toto at domain.ain ) are store in a MySQL database. So for the mailing list
i have decide to take lists.domain.ain
If i send a mail to test at lists.domain.ain all work perfectly. But if i
send a mail to test at domain.ain i have the following error in postfix:

postfix/virtual[6372]: 3F06E3ECE3: to=<|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post
test at domain.ain>, relay=virtual, delay=0, status=bounced (unknown user:
"|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post test at domain.ain")

And a mail for the error is send to the sender with the full path of my
mailman installation. Why it doesn?t send a simple user unknow error msg
?

Thanks for your help.

Regards,

Rapha?l





From reb at taco.com  Sat May 25 05:53:52 2002
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 23:53:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filtering spam with Spamassassin / Procmail and Mailman...
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020524235343.04903aa8@mail.taco.com>

Hi!

I'm currently using spamassassin to filter mail coming into my lists. I use
sendmail with procmail as the local delivery agent. However, since mail
sent to a program is not delivered by the local delivery agent I needed to
use a mail alias like this to have the processing done:

list:   "|/usr/local/bin/spamc -f | /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post list"

In addition to the above, I added "X-Spam-Status: Yes" to the "hold
posts with header matching" field.

This works fine and so far zero spam has made it onto my mailing
lists. Unfortunately, however, I am now trapping up to 15 messages
per day per list. I have to manually remove each piece of detritus
via the administrative interface.

So, I thought I'd set some of my list aliases to send mail to the
mailman user which would be locally delivered and sent to the
mailman .procmailrc which could read the headers and make the
appropriate mailman wrapper call. This would have the mail pass
through the system-wide /etc/procmailrc file which traps the crud
without any human intervention.

Unfortunately, however, I can't get this to work. First, procmail
complains because the mailman directory is group writable. I was
not sure whether changing this would cause a problem for mailman
so I changed it in a test install and continued. Now I have a problem
that the ID of the mail delivery agent doesn't match the id of
mailman so the wrapper won't run.

If I recompile mailman to use the id of mailman for mail instead of
the system-wide mail delivery agent I think I'll have problems. 
Does anyone care to comment on this? Is there an easier way?
Am I missing something obvious?

Comments and suggestions appreciated!

reb 





From lior at typo.co.il  Sat May 25 18:19:37 2002
From: lior at typo.co.il (Lior Hammer)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 09:19:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with the Mail/news gateway
Message-ID: <00b501c20407$f905bc20$0300000a@hammer>

 Hello,
 I have a problem with the Mail-News gateway.
when a response from the mailing list is sent to the newsgroup, it's being
sent as a normal message, and not as a reply to an exiting message.
what is the problem?
is it a problem with mailman?
10Q





From viennet at lipn.univ-paris13.fr  Sat May 25 09:59:05 2002
From: viennet at lipn.univ-paris13.fr (Emmanuel Viennet)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 09:59:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1b2 / linux install problem
Message-ID: <3CEF4449.2C99EA00@lipn.univ-paris13.fr>

Hi all,

I find mailman-2.1b2 quite difficult to install on a 
linux redhat 7.2 system (problems with file permissions).

I install from the sources, following instructions from
 INSTALL and INSTALL.POSTFIX.
My setup: apache (running with uid apache)
          postfix (running as 'postfix')
(both installed form redhat rpms).

configure with:
 ./configure --with-python=`which python2` --with-mail-gid=mailman --with-cgi-gid=apache 
  make install                                             ^^^^^^^                ^^^^^^

(--with-mail-gid=mailman is stated in README.POSTFIX)

The aliases are in data/aliases, created with the following permissions,
as stated in INSTALL:

# ls -l data
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 May 25 09:22 data

# ls -l data/ali*
-rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman      1198 May 25 09:22 data/aliases
-rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman     12288 May 25 09:19 data/aliases.db


I ran check_perm and genaliases, and did setup httpd.conf and main.cf
correctly.

BUT, when I try to create a list through the web, I get:
Bug in Mailman version 2.1b2

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)

After some investigations, I noticed that Postfix.py (and thus postalias)
is running with UID=apache, GID=mailman, groups=[apache]


Can someone help me ?

thanks,
Emmanuel




From xgliu128 at hotmail.com  Sat May 25 10:41:27 2002
From: xgliu128 at hotmail.com (Xiangguang Liu)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 08:41:27 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help for error "mail not sent, user unknown"
Message-ID: 

Hello,

Does anybody know how to solve the following problem?
I create a mail list, but when I send mail to this list(say, xxx at xxx.xxx) 
from our lab's
Email account(from pine), error message is:
"mail not sent, .1.1user unknown". But it is OK when sending 
mail to the mail list with
other Email account which is not from our lab. Is it mailman's problem or 
our lab's Email server's problem?

Thanks a lot.

Sean



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From nkrapf at yahoo.com  Sat May 25 16:26:13 2002
From: nkrapf at yahoo.com (N K)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 07:26:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] repeated subject prefix
Message-ID: <20020525142613.90657.qmail@web14913.mail.yahoo.com>

I am having a problem with the prefix added before the
subject. The prefix is set at [listname] in the
general options page, and emails sent to the list have
subjects of the form: 

[listname] Re: [listname] Re: [listname] Re:
(...etc...) Re: [listname] Original_Subject

As I haven't noticed any other lists have this
problem, there seems like there must be some
fundamental setting that I am missing, but I can't
find it. Can anyone tell me if/how I can set it to be
just

[listname] Re: Original_Subject

or something short like that?
Thanks,
Nathan

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From pilsl at goldfisch.at  Sat May 25 18:10:55 2002
From: pilsl at goldfisch.at (pilsl at goldfisch.at)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 18:10:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] call "subscribe" from commandline
Message-ID: <20020525181055.A19562@goldfisch.at>

I need to subscribe a user via a different web-form than mailmans. My
script can call add_user cause this can only be run by root or a
member of mailman and so I was thinking about using the
cgi-bin/subscribe script from the commandline.

how to I pass the values to this script ?

thnx,
peter





From barry at zope.com  Sat May 25 18:16:15 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 12:16:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does everything except send mail
References: <20020515130106.A20160@itn.co.uk>
	<1021464374.7916.128.camel@atlas>
	<15589.33377.455777.828959@anthem.wooz.org>
	<1021969996.14022.44.camel@atlas>
Message-ID: <15599.47311.371744.228560@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "AvB" == Adrian von Bidder  writes:

    AvB> Yes, yes. In other words: mailman currently has no means to
    AvB> trigger the qrunner on message receipt which would imo be a
    AvB> sensible solution for low-traffic systems.

MM2.1's qrunner will take almost no resources to just leave it
running.  You could crank up the sleep time though, if you were really
concerned.

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sat May 25 18:17:56 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 12:17:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading 2.05 to 2.1 beta
References: <20020521093207.16240.58160.Mailman@mail.python.org>
	
Message-ID: <15599.47412.285606.506218@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "RB" == Rob Brandt  writes:

    RB> Does anyone have any advice on doing this?  Should I just
    RB> install 2.1 and then copy the data files over?

That's what I do. :)
-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sat May 25 18:25:43 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 12:25:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only Mailing Lists
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020521205527.00bbea68@mail.aerosmithfanclub.co m>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20020521172902.02663040@rlw.best.vwh.net>
	<5.1.1.2.2.20020521201549.00bccea0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.co m>
	
	<5.1.1.2.2.20020521212918.00b48878@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com>
Message-ID: <15599.47879.591717.701215@anthem.wooz.org>

Setting up an announce-only list /ought/ to be much easier in MM2.1.

- You can disable the List-Post: header separately, since it isn't
  meaningful for announce-only lists.

- You can set a moderate flag on all your members (and for any new
  members that later join).

- You can set an automatic action when a post comes from a moderated
  member.  The action can be something like "reject this message" or
  "discard this message".

- You can set up an automatic action when a post comes from a
  non-member, similar to the above.

- If your "allowed posters" are members of the list, simply turn off
  their moderation flag and their posts will go straight through.  If
  your "allowed posters" are not members, add their address to the
  accept_these_nonmembers list.

You'll still need to edit the list's listinfo.html page, but that
should be easy.

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sat May 25 18:27:30 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 12:27:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cronjob error
References: <029f01c2015b$1a2b6b20$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
Message-ID: <15599.47986.568424.719476@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "DT" == Danny Terweij  writes:

    DT> Output from command /usr/bin/python2 -S
    DT> /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds ..

    DT> Site list is missing: mailman

    DT> Whats wrong?

MM2.1, right?  You need to create the site list (i.e. the name of a
list that you set in MAILMAN_SITE_LIST in mm_cfg.py/Defaults.py).

-Barry







From barry at zope.com  Sat May 25 18:28:29 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 12:28:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron Log error
References: <029f01c2015b$1a2b6b20$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
	<007501c2015e$e8353570$9900860a@off.connect.com.au>
Message-ID: <15599.48045.221659.802200@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "DH" == Darryl Harvey  writes:

    DH> What concerns me are the entries of; May 21 18:53:02 cascade
    DH> CROND[5424]: (mailman) MAIL (mailed 272 bytes of output but
    DH> got status 0x004b )

I've never seen this, but it's not coming from Mailman.

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sat May 25 18:29:23 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 12:29:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] undumping a db file
References: 
Message-ID: <15599.48099.532529.806819@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "TC" == Tzafrir Cohen  writes:

    TC> The data of the list is already in the new localtion, but it
    TC> seems that the db contains the pathes of the old localtion. I
    TC> somehow have ignored move_list . I would like to avoid
    TC> moving/copying back the data at the moment if it is possible
    TC> because the symlinks in archive/ .

bin/move_list

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sat May 25 18:34:22 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 12:34:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only Mailing Lists
References: <24789.1022052773@kanga.nu>
	
Message-ID: <15599.48398.481203.561673@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "BP" == Bill Poff  writes:

    BP> I've looked and looked and cannot find "Addresses of members
    BP> accepted for posting to this list without implicit approval
    BP> requirement".

    BP> I'm using version 2.1b1 are you looking at a different
    BP> version?

Yup, it's all different in MM2.1.  See my previous posting.

    BP> I feel that all of the "read-Only" parameters should be put in
    BP> one place on the menu. There is a lot of confusion among users
    BP> about the configuration of a read-only list and this might
    BP> help answer some of those questions.

    BP> At our shop, about 75% of the lists are read-only. I feel that
    BP> a significant number of users have/need read-only lists. Let's
    BP> make it a little easier for these folks.

I agree, but it's too late to re-organize this for MM2.1 (otherwise it
will never get released).  I definitely plan on improving things for
subsequent releases.

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sat May 25 18:35:49 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 12:35:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Your spelling
References: <000401c20152$43458210$9865fea9@tritium>
Message-ID: <15599.48485.248803.344821@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "BL" == Ben Leibig  writes:

    BL> You mention many times in your website that your name is
    BL> spelled Mailman, but your logo says MailMan.  What gives?

Actually, if you look closely the logo is MAILMAN (all caps) with the
first M a little bit bigger than the rest of the letters.

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sat May 25 18:37:40 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 12:37:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python Upgrade problem with mailman
References: <3CEC2035.4DF7A459@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <15599.48596.696959.311568@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "W" == Webmaster   writes:

    W> Very critical does anyone know if Pytnon 2.1 will work with
    W> mailman 2.0.11, (problems with my production mailing lists)

Yes, it definitely works.  python.org/zope.org runs MM2.0.11 with
Python 2.1.3.  It really looks like your Python installation is hosed.

Did you upgrade it by building it from source?

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sat May 25 18:41:25 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 12:41:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Integrating mailman passwords with mysql?
References: 
Message-ID: <15599.48821.216226.732517@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "CD" == Chad Day  writes:

    CD> I'm looking for a way to tie the mailman authentication in
    CD> with some other authentication logic I have on my site, and am
    CD> not sure how to best go about it.

First, start with MM2.1.  You will need to write some Python code, to
implement a MySQL backend for the MemberAdaptor.py interface.  This is
probably best discussed on mailman-developers at python.org.

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sat May 25 18:42:31 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 12:42:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1b2 installed and working (almost).
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020523232343.01d27ec0@pop3d.sbdsl.com>
	<20020524150606.GB12449@csh.rit.edu>
	
Message-ID: <15599.48887.132536.43394@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "RB" == Rob Brandt  writes:

    >> How are the permissions set for
    >> /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases?

    RB> u = root, g = root.  I also tried it as mailman and nobody.
    RB> chmod u=rwx, g=rx, all=rx

    RB> Also, /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases is correct, u=root,
    RB> g=mailman, chmod u=rw, g=rw, all=---

data/aliases.db must be owned by user mailman.

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sat May 25 18:43:27 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 12:43:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] optional display name for generated replyto and from address?
References: 
Message-ID: <15599.48943.782211.336648@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "PP" == Paul Pruett  writes:

    PP> I have been asked by list users if the "optional display name"
    PP> could be sent with the addr-spec  @> when mailman includes its email address and when mailman
    PP> includes a specific email address, like the replyto specified.

This is only supported in MM2.1.
-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sat May 25 18:31:28 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 12:31:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suddenly Stopped
References: <048201c201ac$8c3680a0$4b66699f@doc.state.vt.us>
Message-ID: <15599.48224.16630.201837@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "JK" == Joseph Kezar  writes:

    JK> we have been using MailMan 2.0.6 for quite a long time here.
    JK> Last week the digests stopped going out at noon(12:00pm).  The
    JK> cron job returns this error:

    JK> Traceback (innermost last):
    JK>   File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 65, in ?  main()
    JK> File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 42, in main
    JK> send_list_digest(mlist) File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests",
    JK> line 53, in send_list_digest ToDigest.inject_digest(mlist,
    JK> digestfile, topicsfile) File
    JK> "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 176, in
    JK> inject_digest msg = digest.asText() File
    JK> "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 245, in
    JK> asText return self.Present(mime=0) File
    JK> "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 279, in
    JK> Present lines.append(self.__mlist.digest_header %
    JK> self.TemplateRefs())
    JK> ValueError: unsupported format character 'r' (0x72)

    JK> The cron command is /usr/bin/python -S
    JK> /home/mailman/cron/senddigests What could have broken this?
    JK> And how can it be fixed?

Someone added a digest footer with an illegal %(name)s string in it.

First, upgrade to MM2.0.11 and you won't get these crashes any more;
you'll just get warnings instead.  Those warnings will help you track
down the list with the offending footer.

-Barry




From danny at terweij.nl  Sat May 25 19:46:47 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 19:46:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cronjob error
References: <029f01c2015b$1a2b6b20$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org> <15599.47986.568424.719476@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <002f01c20414$2596ebe0$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>

Barry A. Warsaw  heeft geschreven:

>>>>>> "DT" == Danny Terweij  writes:
> 
>     DT> Output from command /usr/bin/python2 -S
>     DT> /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds ..
> 
>     DT> Site list is missing: mailman
> 
>     DT> Whats wrong?
> 
> MM2.1, right?  You need to create the site list (i.e. the name of a
> list that you set in MAILMAN_SITE_LIST in mm_cfg.py/Defaults.py).
> 

Is set at mm_cfg.py and Defaults.py 

Yes 2.1b2. (no cvs version)
Danny.






From csf at incose.propagation.net  Sat May 25 20:06:09 2002
From: csf at incose.propagation.net (Cassandra Fleetwood)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 11:06:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All addresses not on the local box bounce
Message-ID: <004801c20416$d93a6670$0200a8c0@SSLPphaedra>

Just installed Mailman 2.0.11
Configuration info:
Apache-1.3.23
Python-1.5.2
Sendmail-8.11.6
DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'

I can create a list, subscribe to the list from an address on the local box,
and receive mail from the list to an address on the local box. All addresses
not on the local box bounce.
Any ideas?

-Cassandra






From donal.hunt2 at mail.dcu.ie  Sat May 25 20:51:12 2002
From: donal.hunt2 at mail.dcu.ie (Donal Hunt)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 19:51:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] repeated subject prefix
References: <20020525160005.14149.1115.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3CEFDD20.3FFB3DFE@mail.dcu.ie>

Nathan,

What version of Mailman are you running on your server?  I remember
seeing this discussed in the past (check the list archives) and it
should be fixed in the latest 2.0x branch and 2.1 branches.

Regards

Donal
DCU

From: N K 
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] repeated subject prefix
>
> I am having a problem with the prefix added before the
> subject. The prefix is set at [listname] in the
> general options page, and emails sent to the list have
> subjects of the form: 
>
> [listname] Re: [listname] Re: [listname] Re:
> (...etc...) Re: [listname] Original_Subject
> 
> As I haven't noticed any other lists have this
> problem, there seems like there must be some
> fundamental setting that I am missing, but I can't
> find it. Can anyone tell me if/how I can set it to be
> just
> 
> [listname] Re: Original_Subject
> 
> or something short like that?
> Thanks,
> Nathan




From barry at zope.com  Sat May 25 20:56:34 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 14:56:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cronjob error
References: <029f01c2015b$1a2b6b20$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
	<15599.47986.568424.719476@anthem.wooz.org>
	<002f01c20414$2596ebe0$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
Message-ID: <15599.56930.581782.46535@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "DT" == Danny Terweij  writes:

    >> "DT" == Danny Terweij  writes:
    >> DT> Output from command /usr/bin/python2 -S DT>
    >> /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds ..  DT> Site list is
    >> missing: mailman DT> Whats wrong?  MM2.1, right?  You need to
    >> create the site list (i.e. the name of a list that you set in
    >> MAILMAN_SITE_LIST in mm_cfg.py/Defaults.py).

    DT> Is set at mm_cfg.py and Defaults.py

    DT> Yes 2.1b2. (no cvs version)
    DT> Danny.

It's unclear from your response, but did you create the `mailman'
list?

-Barry





From danny at terweij.nl  Sat May 25 21:14:14 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 21:14:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cronjob error
References: <029f01c2015b$1a2b6b20$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org><15599.47986.568424.719476@anthem.wooz.org><002f01c20414$2596ebe0$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org> <15599.56930.581782.46535@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <006a01c20420$5cce8c60$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>

Barry A. Warsaw  heeft geschreven:

>>>>>> "DT" == Danny Terweij  writes:
>
>     >> "DT" == Danny Terweij  writes:
>     >> DT> Output from command /usr/bin/python2 -S DT>
>     >> /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds ..  DT> Site list is
>     >> missing: mailman DT> Whats wrong?  MM2.1, right?  You need to
>     >> create the site list (i.e. the name of a list that you set in
>     >> MAILMAN_SITE_LIST in mm_cfg.py/Defaults.py).
>
>     DT> Is set at mm_cfg.py and Defaults.py
>
>     DT> Yes 2.1b2. (no cvs version)
>     DT> Danny.
>
> It's unclear from your response, but did you create the `mailman'
> list?

At the mm_cfg and Defaults : MAILMAN_SITE_LIST='mailman'
So i must create a new list called mailman? and put the alias at
/etc/aliases ?

Hmm whats the meaning of this list?

Danny.






From barry at zope.com  Sat May 25 22:00:13 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 16:00:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cronjob error
References: <029f01c2015b$1a2b6b20$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
	<15599.47986.568424.719476@anthem.wooz.org>
	<002f01c20414$2596ebe0$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
	<15599.56930.581782.46535@anthem.wooz.org>
	<006a01c20420$5cce8c60$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
Message-ID: <15599.60749.443496.534805@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "DT" == Danny Terweij  writes:

    DT> At the mm_cfg and Defaults : MAILMAN_SITE_LIST='mailman' So i
    DT> must create a new list called mailman? and put the alias at
    DT> /etc/aliases ?

Correct.

    DT> Hmm whats the meaning of this list?

Most importantly, it's the list that password reminders appear to come
from.  It's also where bounces to any list owners go to.

-Barry




From danny at terweij.nl  Sat May 25 22:14:59 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 22:14:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cronjob error
References: <029f01c2015b$1a2b6b20$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org><15599.47986.568424.719476@anthem.wooz.org><002f01c20414$2596ebe0$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org><15599.56930.581782.46535@anthem.wooz.org><006a01c20420$5cce8c60$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org> <15599.60749.443496.534805@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <007901c20428$d90b6200$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>

Barry A. Warsaw  heeft geschreven:

>>>>>> "DT" == Danny Terweij  writes:

>     DT> must create a new list called mailman? and put the alias at
>     DT> /etc/aliases ?
> Correct.

>     DT> Hmm whats the meaning of this list?
>
> Most importantly, it's the list that password reminders appear to come
> from.  It's also where bounces to any list owners go to.

Oke so this is what i must add to the aliases :

mailman:              "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
mailman-admin:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman"
mailman-bounces:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman"
mailman-confirm:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman"
mailman-join:         "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman"
mailman-leave:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman"
mailman-owner:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman"
mailman-request:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman"
mailman-subscribe:    "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman"
mailman-unsubscribe:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman"

What about the existing (i think it was created by the Redhat RPM);

# mailman aliases
mailman: danny
mailman-owner: mailman

?

Danny.






From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Sat May 25 21:59:24 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 12:59:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filtering spam with Spamassassin / Procmail and Mailman...
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020524235343.04903aa8@mail.taco.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020524235343.04903aa8@mail.taco.com>
Message-ID: <20020525195920.GA25230@merlins.org>

On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 11:53:52PM -0400, Phydeaux wrote:
> This works fine and so far zero spam has made it onto my mailing
> lists. Unfortunately, however, I am now trapping up to 15 messages
> per day per list. I have to manually remove each piece of detritus
> via the administrative interface.

2 options

If you use exim, you can run my SA in exim at SMTP time code:
http://marc.merlins.org/linux/exim/sa.html
This will let you reject or save mail before it even hits mailman

There is also a patch for mailman which lets mailman run SA and discard or
hold messages flagged as spam, look in the patch manager on sf.net or in
this list's archives

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key




From barry at zope.com  Sat May 25 22:36:05 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 16:36:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cronjob error
References: <029f01c2015b$1a2b6b20$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
	<15599.47986.568424.719476@anthem.wooz.org>
	<002f01c20414$2596ebe0$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
	<15599.56930.581782.46535@anthem.wooz.org>
	<006a01c20420$5cce8c60$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
	<15599.60749.443496.534805@anthem.wooz.org>
	<007901c20428$d90b6200$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
Message-ID: <15599.62901.231946.274410@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "DT" == Danny Terweij  writes:

    DT> Oke so this is what i must add to the aliases :

[...aliases snipped...]

Yes.  You'll also need to do "bin/newlist mailman"

    DT> What about the existing (i think it was created by the Redhat
    DT> RPM);

    DT> # mailman aliases
    DT> mailman: danny
    DT> mailman-owner: mailman

Doesn't much matter if you overwrite them.  But if you want to keep
them and keep your 2.0.x and 2.1 installations co-habitating, then
just rename your MM2.1 site list to "mailman-21" or somesuch, and
adjust your mm_cfg.py and aliases accordingly.

-Barry




From csf at incose.propagation.net  Sat May 25 23:38:56 2002
From: csf at incose.propagation.net (Cassandra Fleetwood)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 14:38:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All addresses not on the local box bounce with SMTPDirect
Message-ID: <00df01c20434$930f2910$0200a8c0@SSLPphaedra>

Changing  DELIVERY_MODULE  from SMTPDirect to Sendmail resolves this
problem.

-Cassandra

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cassandra Fleetwood" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 11:06 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All addresses not on the local box bounce


> Just installed Mailman 2.0.11
> Configuration info:
> Apache-1.3.23
> Python-1.5.2
> Sendmail-8.11.6
> DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
>
> I can create a list, subscribe to the list from an address on the local
box,
> and receive mail from the list to an address on the local box. All
addresses
> not on the local box bounce.
> Any ideas?
>
> -Cassandra
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From nb at thinkcoach.com  Sat May 25 23:38:50 2002
From: nb at thinkcoach.com (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 23:38:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All addresses not on the local box bounce with SMTPDirect
In-Reply-To: <00df01c20434$930f2910$0200a8c0@SSLPphaedra>
	(csf@incose.propagation.net)
References: <00df01c20434$930f2910$0200a8c0@SSLPphaedra>
Message-ID: <200205252138.g4PLcou10121@quill.local>

> > I can create a list, subscribe to the list from an address on the local
> > box, and receive mail from the list to an address on the local box. All
> > addresses not on the local box bounce.
> > Any ideas?
[..]
> > Sendmail-8.11.6

This is a MTA configuration issue... Sendmail users may be able
to help.

> Changing  DELIVERY_MODULE  from SMTPDirect to Sendmail resolves this
> problem.

Nota bene, use of Sendmail.py should be avoided at all costs
unless you use a version which has been patched to run
/usr/lib/sendmail _without_invoking_a_shell_.  You risk all
kinds of problems otherwise, including mail loops and very
bad security problems (essentially remote shell access).

Greetings, Norbert.

-- 
A founder of the http://DotGNU.org project and Steering Committee member
Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet   (near Zurich, Switzerland)
Tel +41 1 972 20 59         Fax +41 1 972 20 69        http://norbert.ch
List hosting with GNU Mailman on your own domain name   http://cisto.com




From xgliu128 at hotmail.com  Sun May 26 01:52:12 2002
From: xgliu128 at hotmail.com (Xiangguang Liu)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 23:52:12 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All addresses not on the local box bounce with SMTPDirect
Message-ID: 

Hello,

I have a similiar problem , but all mails from local box will be bounced 
while all mails from outside can reach the mailing list.
How to solve this problem? Thank you very much.

Sean




>From: Norbert Bollow 
>To: csf at incose.propagation.net
>CC: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] All addresses not on the local box bounce with 
>SMTPDirect
>Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 23:38:50 +0200
>
> > > I can create a list, subscribe to the list from an address on the 
>local
> > > box, and receive mail from the list to an address on the local box. 
>All
> > > addresses not on the local box bounce.
> > > Any ideas?
>[..]
> > > Sendmail-8.11.6
>
>This is a MTA configuration issue... Sendmail users may be able
>to help.
>
> > Changing  DELIVERY_MODULE  from SMTPDirect to Sendmail resolves this
> > problem.
>
>Nota bene, use of Sendmail.py should be avoided at all costs
>unless you use a version which has been patched to run
>/usr/lib/sendmail _without_invoking_a_shell_.  You risk all
>kinds of problems otherwise, including mail loops and very
>bad security problems (essentially remote shell access).
>
>Greetings, Norbert.
>
>--
>A founder of the http://DotGNU.org project and Steering Committee member
>Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet   (near Zurich, Switzerland)
>Tel +41 1 972 20 59         Fax +41 1 972 20 69        http://norbert.ch
>List hosting with GNU Mailman on your own domain name   http://cisto.com
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




Best wishes,
Xiangguang
---------------------------
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Mailing Address:
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Goleta,CA 93117

Telephone:
(805)-971-5268 (h)

E-mail Address:
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From csf at incose.propagation.net  Sun May 26 02:13:44 2002
From: csf at incose.propagation.net (Cassandra Fleetwood)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 17:13:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All addresses not on the local box bounce with SMTPDirect
References: <00df01c20434$930f2910$0200a8c0@SSLPphaedra> <200205252138.g4PLcou10121@quill.local>
Message-ID: <012a01c2044a$33678af0$0200a8c0@SSLPphaedra>

I want to use SMTPDirect, but I need help determining what is misconfigured
in Sendmail.
The box is a dedicated and co-located at an ISP. I have root access.
Technical support at the ISP claims Sendmail is configured correctly,
because they can send/receive mail from the box. Since they do not support
third party programs (Mailman), I'm on my own.

My configuration:
RedHat 7.2
Apache-1.3.23
Python-1.5.2
Sendmail-8.11.6

When I send a message to a list that contains an address external to local
box the following error message is logged in /var/maillog

May 25 12:13:36 incose sendmail[15859]: g4PHDaK15859: ruleset=check_rcpt,
arg1=,
relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 5.7.1 ... relay
attempt failed

/etc/mail/access contains:
localhost.localdomain    RELAY
localhost                       RELAY
127.0.0.1                      RELAY

Any help is appreciated.
-Cassandra

----- Original Message -----
From: "Norbert Bollow" 
To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] All addresses not on the local box bounce with
SMTPDirect


> > > I can create a list, subscribe to the list from an address on the
local
> > > box, and receive mail from the list to an address on the local box.
All
> > > addresses not on the local box bounce.
> > > Any ideas?
> [..]
> > > Sendmail-8.11.6
>
> This is a MTA configuration issue... Sendmail users may be able
> to help.
>
> > Changing  DELIVERY_MODULE  from SMTPDirect to Sendmail resolves this
> > problem.
>
> Nota bene, use of Sendmail.py should be avoided at all costs
> unless you use a version which has been patched to run
> /usr/lib/sendmail _without_invoking_a_shell_.  You risk all
> kinds of problems otherwise, including mail loops and very
> bad security problems (essentially remote shell access).
>
> Greetings, Norbert.
>
> --
> A founder of the http://DotGNU.org project and Steering Committee member
> Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet   (near Zurich, Switzerland)
> Tel +41 1 972 20 59         Fax +41 1 972 20 69        http://norbert.ch
> List hosting with GNU Mailman on your own domain name   http://cisto.com
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From fnmjd at voicenet.com  Sun May 26 17:48:29 2002
From: fnmjd at voicenet.com (Mike D.)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 11:48:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] forwarding bounce messages
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I have been receiving bounced messages from our list for a while now. 
It is good to receive them, but I can't figure out how to turn on the 
forwarding to the administrator.  There is an option in Mailman to 
"disable and do not notify me" of excessive bounce messages, but that 
doesn't seem to stop the bounce forwarding.  Does know of a way I can 
turn this off and on.  We are using Postfix with Mailman.

Thank you,
Mike D.




From pilsl at goldfisch.at  Sun May 26 18:54:07 2002
From: pilsl at goldfisch.at (pilsl at goldfisch.at)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 18:54:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unauthorized people can send mails to the list ...
Message-ID: <20020526185407.C3687@goldfisch.at>

If I only have a few unmoderated people in my list (so only these can
send mails to the list cause I discard the rest) it would be very easy
for anyone to fake the senderadress of this people and so nevertheless
send an email to the list.

Is there a way to gain more security on restricting the access to the
list. In fact I dont want to have a mailinglist, but a newsletter
only.
 I was thinking about confirmation for sent email too or smtg like
this or even a way to allow sending mails only via a special script.


thnx,
peter





From david at gof.se  Sun May 26 18:57:09 2002
From: david at gof.se (David)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 18:57:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filtering spam with Spamassassin / Procmail
	and  > Mailman...
In-Reply-To: <20020526160005.23307.99466.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: 

> There is also a patch for mailman which lets mailman run SA and discard or
> hold messages flagged as spam, look in the patch manager on sf.net or in
> this list's archives
> 
> Marc

Dear gurus,

I'm a happy Mailman 2.0.11 user, and until now I have used SpamAssassin 2.20
to filter out spam in my personal mailbox. I applied the SpamAssassin.py
patch for Mailman, but I have a problem. I use demime to avoid HTML mail to
reach my lists. My setup: Postfix takes care of the incoming mail and sends
it to demime. Demime removes the unwanted MIME and HTML stuff and send the
mail to Mailman. The SpamAssassin patch scans the demimed message and sends
it to the list. 

I have two problems:
1. No messages are discarded or put on hold, even if it scores over 10 (The
message is tagged as spam)
2. Demime removes a lot of stuff that SpamAssassin scores on. It's harder
for SpamAssassin to do it's job.

Is it possible to solve this? I don't have any programming skills myself:-(

 Blue Skies,
 /David






From raquel at thericehouse.net  Sun May 26 19:29:44 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 10:29:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unauthorized people can send mails to the list ...
In-Reply-To: <20020526185407.C3687@goldfisch.at>
References: <20020526185407.C3687@goldfisch.at>
Message-ID: <20020526102944.6d5c82ed.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Sun, 26 May 2002 18:54:07 +0200
pilsl at goldfisch.at pilsl at goldfisch.at wrote:

> If I only have a few unmoderated people in my list (so only these
> can
> send mails to the list cause I discard the rest) it would be very
> easy
> for anyone to fake the senderadress of this people and so
> nevertheless
> send an email to the list.
> 
> Is there a way to gain more security on restricting the access to
> the
> list. In fact I dont want to have a mailinglist, but a newsletter
> only.
>  I was thinking about confirmation for sent email too or smtg like
> this or even a way to allow sending mails only via a special
> script.
> 
> 
> thnx,
> peter

Check out the documentation at ...
	http://www.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html
... about halfway down the page at "General posting filtersj" and
"Posting privileges explained".

-- 
Raquel
============================================================
A loud voice cannot compete with a clear voice, even if it's a
whisper.                                             
  --Barry Neil Kaufman

                              
                              




From raquel at thericehouse.net  Sun May 26 20:56:56 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 11:56:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unauthorized people can send mails to the list ...
In-Reply-To: <20020526204203.D3687@goldfisch.at>
References: <20020526185407.C3687@goldfisch.at>
	<20020526102944.6d5c82ed.raquel@thericehouse.net>
	<20020526204203.D3687@goldfisch.at>
Message-ID: <20020526115656.75bfd347.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Sun, 26 May 2002 20:42:03 +0200
pilsl at goldfisch.at pilsl at goldfisch.at wrote:

> On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 10:29:44AM -0700, Raquel Rice wrote:
> > 
> > Check out the documentation at ...
> > 
> http://www.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html
> > ... about halfway down the page at "General posting filtersj"
> and
> > "Posting privileges explained".
> >
> 
> thnx, 
> 
> unfortunately anyone can fake a sender-adress and so any person in
> this world can send a mail to this list as soon as he knows the
> emailadress of a person that is actually allowed to send an mail
> to
> the list.
> 
> Authentication per email-adress is a very weak mechanism cause
> mail-adresses can be faked very easily and so mailman uses
> confirmation-mail on subscription but does not offer this feature
> on
> posting.
> 
> peter
> 

Why can't you make *ALL* posts to the list subject to confirmation
by the listowner?  In other words, make the list totally moderated? 
Then you make only those who are able to post, moderators?  When
"Susan" posts an announcement to the list, she herself goes and
validates it through the web interface?

-- 
Raquel
============================================================
A loud voice cannot compete with a clear voice, even if it's a
whisper.
  --Barry Neil Kaufman

                              
                              




From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net  Sun May 26 21:54:37 2002
From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes)
Date: 26 May 2002 12:54:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filtering spam with Spamassassin / Procmail and
	 > Mailman...
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1022442878.1698.15.camel@galileo.carola.lan>

On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 09:57, David wrote:
> I'm a happy Mailman 2.0.11 user, and until now I have used SpamAssassin 2.20
> to filter out spam in my personal mailbox. I applied the SpamAssassin.py
> patch for Mailman, but I have a problem. I use demime to avoid HTML mail to
> reach my lists. My setup: Postfix takes care of the incoming mail and sends
> it to demime. Demime removes the unwanted MIME and HTML stuff and send the
> mail to Mailman. The SpamAssassin patch scans the demimed message and sends
> it to the list. 
> 
> I have two problems:
> 1. No messages are discarded or put on hold, even if it scores over 10 (The
> message is tagged as spam)
> 2. Demime removes a lot of stuff that SpamAssassin scores on. It's harder
> for SpamAssassin to do it's job.
> 
> Is it possible to solve this? I don't have any programming skills myself:-(

David,
This information from Marc Merlin may help.

Exim SpamAssassin at SMTP time
http://marc.merlins.org/linux/exim/sa.html

-- 
Mike Noyes 
http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
http://leaf-project.org/





From toombs at sympatico.ca  Sun May 26 23:05:09 2002
From: toombs at sympatico.ca (Bruce P. Toombs)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 17:05:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "undisclosed recipients"
Message-ID: 

I have a problem with mailman 2.0.1 that may be very simple to fix, but I
can't see how, and can't find any information on it.  When in the 'privacy
options' I want to say 'yes' to "Must posts have list named in destination
(to, cc) field (or be among the acceptable alias names, specified below)?"

The problem is that this causes **all** posts to be held for moderator
approval, with the explanation that they have 'implicit destinations'. I'm
afraid I don't understand what this means, as I have tried all kinds of
things -- including: placing things in the .cc and/or .bcc fields; typing
in 'acceptable' alias names in the following box on the page (though maybe
I'm doing this wrong); and even typing the name of the list as well as the
address in the 'to' line of mails. Nothing seems to work.  Can anyone tell
me what I'm doing wrong? Or is it mailman's fault.

I know I can solve the problem by just clicking 'no' instead of 'yes', but
that's what I'm trying to avoid.

Thanks!

Bruce.


---------------
Bruce P. Toombs
Depts. of Humanities and Liberal Arts
Champlain Regional College, St-Lambert, Quebec
toombs at sympatico.ca    /  toombs at champlaincollege.qc.ca
http://www3.sympatico.ca/toombs

The secret of teaching is to appear to have known all your life what you
learned this afternoon.






From tim at maths.tcd.ie  Sun May 26 23:27:56 2002
From: tim at maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 22:27:56 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filtering spam with Spamassassin / Procmail and > Mailman...
In-Reply-To: <1022442878.1698.15.camel@galileo.carola.lan>
References:  <1022442878.1698.15.camel@galileo.carola.lan>
Message-ID: <20020526212756.GA58525@boole.maths.tcd.ie>

On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 12:54:37PM -0700, Mike Noyes wrote:

> > I applied the SpamAssassin.py
> > patch for Mailman, but I have a problem. 

> This information from Marc Merlin may help.
> http://marc.merlins.org/linux/exim/sa.html

I wonder if anyone can answer the same question --
how to filter out spam with SpamAssassin --
but with mmdf rather than sendmail?

-- 
Timothy Murphy  
e-mail: tim at maths.tcd.ie
tel: 086-233 6090
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland




From phil at filsa.net  Mon May 27 03:06:00 2002
From: phil at filsa.net (Phil Suh)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 18:06:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow DNS causes backup in qfiles/ dir
Message-ID: 

Hello,

I'm new to this list, a longtime mailman user, and now breaking myself in 
as a Mailman administrator.

I run a list with about 2200 members[1], it runs on a FreeBSD box, with 
Postfix 1.1.2 and Mailman 2.0.10.

The problem: on occasion Mailman stops sending mail, and files back up in
the qfiles/ dir. In this case it was not, as suggested elsewhere[2], a
cron problem.

After taking a long look at smtp-failure, it seems that when a email's 
hostname can't be resolved, it results in a long delay in processing a 
message (3 minutes or more). With a 4 or 5 of these messages in the 
qfiles/ dir, the qrunner process get stuck behind these non-resolving 
messages, and never gets around to processing the other messages in the 
queue before it times out.

I believe I've diagnosed the problem correctly. But I'm unsure of how to 
resolve it. Currently, I check on the list on occasion, and when I see 
that smtp-failure is logging bad email addresses, I turn off mail delivery 
for that address, clear the problem files from qfiles/. [I tried 
unsubscribing bad addresses, but that generated a unsubscribe notice, 
which would go into the queue, and cause more problems...] Then the queue 
unclogs. I generally have to discard the problem messages because if I put 
them back in. they just clog the qfiles/ directory again.

Taking a closer look at the the email addresses that failed, if I do a 

  $host baddomain.com

it takes more than a minute before it comes back with 

  'Host not found, try again.'

So my questions are:

1. Have other people experienced this, and what did you do?
2. If I'm not alone in this problem, is there some way of solving this via 
Mailman or my system? It seems wrong to have to go in by hand every 4-5 
days to clear out bad files.  DNS seems to be spotty these days, and it's 
not just the little guys. mx2.eudoramail.com went down last week, which 
caused another clog-up.

Any advice is appreciated. 

Cheers,

Phil Suh

[1] http://cms-list.org/
[2] http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-April/018982.html


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From battlezeclipse at comcast.net  Mon May 27 08:58:15 2002
From: battlezeclipse at comcast.net (Matt Ambroziak)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 02:58:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with making a new list
Message-ID: <000001c2054b$e2eb1b20$2801a8c0@borgcube>

I installed RedHat 7.3 recently with mailman 2.0.9? I think. Without
checking to see if it worked, I upgraded immediately to the latest on
the list.org website. I got all sorts of errors so I reinstalled the RPM
version rather than the tar version. Now I'm back to 2.0.9. Now, when I
make my test list I don't get the nasty errors I had before, but it
never email's the email address I specify to be the admin. Any idea what
would cause this? Something in config files maybe? I'm fairly new to the
software. I did the same process on a similar server I have without
messing around with different packages and it worked flawlessly. What
could have messed up when I reinstalled the RPM (rpm -install -force
file.rpm).
Any help is appreciated, I need to get this done asap.
 
Thanks
 
Matt
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From mrjack at fastorama.com  Mon May 27 10:38:03 2002
From: mrjack at fastorama.com (MrJacK)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 10:38:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with making a new list
In-Reply-To: <000001c2054b$e2eb1b20$2801a8c0@borgcube>
Message-ID: <000401c20559$d14b5ac0$9c575fd4@merlin>

What have you in your mail log ?
I think it?s a good startpoint.
 
-----Message d'origine-----
De : mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] De la part de Matt Ambroziak
Envoy? : lundi 27 mai 2002 08:58
? : mailman-users at python.org
Objet : [Mailman-Users] Problem with making a new list
 
I installed RedHat 7.3 recently with mailman 2.0.9? I think. Without
checking to see if it worked, I upgraded immediately to the latest on
the list.org website. I got all sorts of errors so I reinstalled the RPM
version rather than the tar version. Now I?m back to 2.0.9. Now, when I
make my test list I don?t get the nasty errors I had before, but it
never email?s the email address I specify to be the admin. Any idea what
would cause this? Something in config files maybe? I?m fairly new to the
software. I did the same process on a similar server I have without
messing around with different packages and it worked flawlessly. What
could have messed up when I reinstalled the RPM (rpm ?install ?force
file.rpm).
Any help is appreciated, I need to get this done asap.
 
Thanks
 
Matt
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From a.ferlenga at datasiel.net  Mon May 27 16:04:11 2002
From: a.ferlenga at datasiel.net (Ferlenga Alessandra)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 16:04:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mails from the namelist-bounce
Message-ID: <295170E8A199D211A82400A0245784520211A5C2@dmail1.datasiel.net>

We take care of a Newsletter with 2.1b2+-Mailman and we have a problem:
when someone fills the registration form, receives the confirmaton of 
the registration with a welcome and 2 mails from the namelist-bounce 
that explain the process of registration.

We would like that the user would not receive these two last mails.
How can we do?

Thank you

Alessandra  Ferlenga

  _______________________________
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   Regione Liguria - I.T. Telecom 
  Centro Servizi Media
   Tel    +39 010 6545 461
   Fax   +39 010 6545 419
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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Mon May 27 16:29:40 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn?= Nettingsmeier)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 16:29:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only Mailing Lists
References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020521205527.00bbea68@mail.aerosmithfanclub.co m>
		<5.1.0.14.0.20020521172902.02663040@rlw.best.vwh.net>
		<5.1.1.2.2.20020521201549.00bccea0@mail.aerosmithfanclub.co m>
		
		<5.1.1.2.2.20020521212918.00b48878@mail.aerosmithfanclub.com> <15599.47879.591717.701215@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <3CF242D4.F2417710@folkwang-hochschule.de>

"Barry A. Warsaw" wrote:
> 
> Setting up an announce-only list /ought/ to be much easier in MM2.1.
> 
> - You can disable the List-Post: header separately, since it isn't
>   meaningful for announce-only lists.
> 
> - You can set a moderate flag on all your members (and for any new
>   members that later join).
> 
> - You can set an automatic action when a post comes from a moderated
>   member.  The action can be something like "reject this message" or
>   "discard this message".
> 
> - You can set up an automatic action when a post comes from a
>   non-member, similar to the above.
> 
> - If your "allowed posters" are members of the list, simply turn off
>   their moderation flag and their posts will go straight through.  If
>   your "allowed posters" are not members, add their address to the
>   accept_these_nonmembers list.
> 
> You'll still need to edit the list's listinfo.html page, but that
> should be easy.

barry and the rest of the mailman cabal, 
you are doing an awesome job! many thanks.

j?rn




From pilsl at goldfisch.at  Mon May 27 17:05:38 2002
From: pilsl at goldfisch.at (pilsl at goldfisch.at)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 17:05:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unauthorized people can send mails to the list ...
In-Reply-To: <20020526115656.75bfd347.raquel@thericehouse.net>
References: <20020526185407.C3687@goldfisch.at> <20020526102944.6d5c82ed.raquel@thericehouse.net> <20020526204203.D3687@goldfisch.at> <20020526115656.75bfd347.raquel@thericehouse.net>
Message-ID: <20020527170538.C28014@goldfisch.at>

> 
> Why can't you make *ALL* posts to the list subject to confirmation
> by the listowner?  In other words, make the list totally moderated? 
> Then you make only those who are able to post, moderators?  When
> "Susan" posts an announcement to the list, she herself goes and
> validates it through the web interface?
>

Thats possible way but there are two things I dont like with it:

i) now I just discard all mails from moderated people. I dont know why
people are mailing to this adress, but we have about 5 mails per day
and the moderators are not bothered with this mails cause they are
just deleted.  If I authenticate via moderation-approval then the
moderators have to deal with this 5 mails.

ii) If Susan sends a mail, the other five people allowed to post and
therefore moderators also get this mail which might cause confusions
(cause they are just users that dont even understand why there is a
listserver now, if one can copy/paste all adresses into outlook also
;)

thnx,
peter

-- 
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IT-Consulting
tel: +43-699-1-3574035
fax: +43-699-4-3574035
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From grant at pepperguy.com  Thu May 23 22:37:54 2002
From: grant at pepperguy.com (Grant Cummings)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:37:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install question
Message-ID: <01a901c20299$b7437b20$1100000a@reception>

I have installed Mailman 2.0.8 via the RPM from Redhat on a server running
Redhat 7.1

The install went fine, web interface works, I can set up new lists, add
users from the website, it mails out a confirmation email, BUT when I go to
send mail to the list, Sendmail bounces back telling me it's not a valid
user.  Sendmail is at version 8.11.6

What have I missed that allows Mailman to create users??

Thanks!
Grant





From battlezeclipse at comcast.net  Fri May 24 08:04:48 2002
From: battlezeclipse at comcast.net (Matt Ambroziak)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 02:04:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem
Message-ID: <000101c202e8$ec321a90$2801a8c0@borgcube>

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "./newlist", line 220, in ?
    main()
  File "./newlist", line 213, in main
    text)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 211, in __init__
    OutgoingMessage.__init__(self, text)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 205, in __init__
    self['Message-ID'] = Utils.make_msgid(idstring='Mailman')
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 769, in make_msgid
    idhost = socket.gethostbyaddr(socket.gethostname())[0]
socket.error: host not found
 
I just did an upgrade before seeing it if worked on my new Redhat 7.3
install. It did this. I made a new folder and did an install. It did
this again. Whats the problem?
 
matt
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From bkinne at wpo.it.luc.edu  Fri May 24 22:39:39 2002
From: bkinne at wpo.it.luc.edu (Brian W.Kinne)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:39:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b2 membership management question
Message-ID: <20020524153939.11ee43b7.bkinne@wpo.it.luc.edu>

Greetings;

We're moving from listproc to mailman. I have the 2.1 beta up and running because some of our current list owners missed the proper names feature included in listproc. My questions is, is there a way to include the names in the bulk subscription or subscription by file option, or do you have to enter the names individually after subscription? Mailman removes the white space if space delimited, and ignored it when I tried putting quotes around it.

TIA

Brian




From lior at lior.ath.cx  Sat May 25 18:10:52 2002
From: lior at lior.ath.cx (Lior Hammer)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 09:10:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with the Mail/news gateway
Message-ID: <00a601c20406$be61cab0$0300000a@hammer>

Hello,
I have a problem with the Mail-News gateway.
when a response from the mailing list is sent to the newsgroup, it's being
sent as a normal message, and not as a reply to an exiting message.
what is the problem?
is it a problem with mailman?
10Q





From xgliu128 at hotmail.com  Sat May 25 08:22:11 2002
From: xgliu128 at hotmail.com (Xiangguang Liu)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 06:22:11 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help for problem "mail not sent,  user unknown"
Message-ID: 



Hello,

Does anybody know how to solve the following problem?
When I sent Email from our lab's Email account(using pine) to mailman's 
mailing list, say xxx at xxx.xxx
error message is, "mail not sent, .1.1 ... user unknown".
But I can send Email from other mail account to this mailman mailing list. 
Is Email server's problem? Thank you very much.

Sean

_________________________________________________________________
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From emmanuel.viennet at lipn.univ-paris13.fr  Sat May 25 09:54:26 2002
From: emmanuel.viennet at lipn.univ-paris13.fr (Emmanuel Viennet)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 09:54:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1b2 / linux install problem
Message-ID: <3CEF4332.D43EF8F4@lipn.univ-paris13.fr>

Hi all,

I find mailman-2.1b2 quite difficult to install on a 
linux redhat 7.2 system (problems with file permissions).

I install from the sources, following instructions from
 INSTALL and INSTALL.POSTFIX.
My setup: apache (running with uid apache)
          postfix (running as 'postfix')
(both installed form redhat rpms).

configure with:
 ./configure --with-python=`which python2` --with-mail-gid=mailman --with-cgi-gid=apache 
  make install                                             ^^^^^^^                ^^^^^^

(--with-mail-gid=mailman is stated in README.POSTFIX)

The aliases are in data/aliases, created with the following permissions,
as stated in INSTALL:

# ls -l data
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 May 25 09:22 data

# ls -l data/ali*
-rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman      1198 May 25 09:22 data/aliases
-rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman     12288 May 25 09:19 data/aliases.db


I ran check_perm and genaliases, and did setup httpd.conf and main.cf
correctly.

BUT, when I try to create a list through the web, I get:
Bug in Mailman version 2.1b2

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)

After some investigations, I noticed that Postfix.py (and thus postalias)
is running with UID=apache, GID=mailman, groups=[apache]


Can someone help me ?

thanks,
Emmanuel




From tzafrir at technion.ac.il  Sat May 25 19:21:43 2002
From: tzafrir at technion.ac.il (Tzafrir Cohen)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 20:21:43 +0300 (IDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] undumping a db file
In-Reply-To: <15599.48099.532529.806819@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: 

On Sat, 25 May 2002, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

>
> >>>>> "TC" == Tzafrir Cohen  writes:
>
>   TC> The data of the list is already in the new localtion, but it
>   TC> seems that the db contains the pathes of the old localtion. I
>   TC> somehow have ignored move_list . I would like to avoid
>   TC> moving/copying back the data at the moment if it is possible
>   TC> because the symlinks in archive/ .
>
> bin/move_list

It helped for some of the lists. For one of the lists it did not fully
help (it has failed to set one of the three pathes in config.db , I don't
recall which).

I eventually recreated this list.

-- 
Tzafrir Cohen
mailto:tzafrir at technion.ac.il
http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir






From cavelier at cavelier.net  Mon May 27 04:15:37 2002
From: cavelier at cavelier.net (Tremaine Lea)
Date: 26 May 2002 20:15:37 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] slow web administration
Message-ID: <1022465738.497.13.camel@aramis>

Hey there folks,

Not sure if anyone else has run across this issue, but it's slowly
driving me batty.  I currently have mailman 2.0.9-1 running on a Xeon
800 with 500 megs of ram.  It has a single mailing list with roughly
450,000 subscribers.  

I've found that accessing the web interface for administration is
incredibly slow.  Is there any way to speed that up, or to handle
pending admin tasks from the command line?  When watching system
processes, I notice that python takes up virtually all available CPU
when it's loading the web interface.

Thanks in advance for any and all assistance.

Tremaine
-- 





From alonso at pcprices.com.pe  Mon May 27 19:21:35 2002
From: alonso at pcprices.com.pe (Alonso Landauro Canales)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 12:21:35 -0500
Subject: RV: [Mailman-Users] problem
Message-ID: <002d01c205a2$f3b6cec0$9100a8c0@alonso>

This is the same error I have right now, but nobody did answer me yet.
Obviously por MTA is not caching with the MM2.1 
I hope somebody helps us..
Alonso 

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "./newlist", line 220, in ?
    main()
  File "./newlist", line 213, in main
    text)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 211, in __init__
    OutgoingMessage.__init__(self, text)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 205, in __init__
    self['Message-ID'] = Utils.make_msgid(idstring='Mailman')
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 769, in make_msgid
    idhost = socket.gethostbyaddr(socket.gethostname())[0]
socket.error: host not found
 
I just did an upgrade before seeing it if worked on my new Redhat 7.3
install. It did this. I made a new folder and did an install. It did
this again. Whats the problem?
 
matt





From jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org  Mon May 27 20:00:30 2002
From: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org (Jim Hale)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 13:00:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install question
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Did you setup your Aliases in the Alias file? I use Postfix so I can't
help with Sendmail. 

Jim Hale
---
Jim & Kathy's Website Collection
http://hale.dyndns.org 

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Grant Cummings
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 3:38 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install question


I have installed Mailman 2.0.8 via the RPM from Redhat on a server
running Redhat 7.1

The install went fine, web interface works, I can set up new lists, add
users from the website, it mails out a confirmation email, BUT when I go
to send mail to the list, Sendmail bounces back telling me it's not a
valid user.  Sendmail is at version 8.11.6

What have I missed that allows Mailman to create users??

Thanks!
Grant



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From hostmaster at shults.org  Tue May 28 01:55:10 2002
From: hostmaster at shults.org (hostmaster)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 16:55:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list of correct location of all mailman files?
Message-ID: <000501c205d9$f2fe2820$0432e7d8@artemis>

Hi,

I used the rpm at
ftp://rpmfind.speakeasy.net/linux/redhat/7.2/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/mail
man-2.0.6-1.i386.rpm to install mailman via the webmin (www.webmin.com)
package interface.

In viewing the mailman INSTALL file, it became immeadiately obvious that
the rpm used incorrect paths when installing.

Where can I find a list of the correct paths for all mailman files so I
can copy them all to the right place?  I believe doing so should allow
me to run ./configure and 'make install' without errors.

TIA,
~steven
http://rattletrap.shults.org





From alonso at pcprices.com.pe  Tue May 28 02:41:29 2002
From: alonso at pcprices.com.pe (Alonso Landauro Canales)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 19:41:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install question
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <001101c205e0$6daa3680$9100a8c0@alonso>

Jim I think I have the same problem,
Would you please give me an example of setuping my aliases?
Thank you very much

Alonso Landauro Canales
====================
PC Prices S.A.C.
Telf: 4477600
http://www.pcprices.com.pe
LIMA - PERU
====================



-----Mensaje original-----
De: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] En nombre de Jim Hale
Enviado el: lunes, 27 de mayo de 2002 13:01
Para: mailman-users at python.org
Asunto: RE: [Mailman-Users] Install question


Did you setup your Aliases in the Alias file? I use Postfix so I can't
help with Sendmail. 

Jim Hale
---
Jim & Kathy's Website Collection
http://hale.dyndns.org 

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Grant Cummings
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 3:38 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install question


I have installed Mailman 2.0.8 via the RPM from Redhat on a server
running Redhat 7.1

The install went fine, web interface works, I can set up new lists, add
users from the website, it mails out a confirmation email, BUT when I go
to send mail to the list, Sendmail bounces back telling me it's not a
valid user.  Sendmail is at version 8.11.6

What have I missed that allows Mailman to create users??

Thanks!
Grant



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From jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org  Tue May 28 03:10:35 2002
From: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org (Jim Hale)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 20:10:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install question
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

OK, when you create a list, after it asks you the email address of the
owner of the list, it shows some entries like (this is what it did for
my Sonar Mailing List):

## sonar mailing list
## created: 09-May-2002 root
sonar:                   "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post sonar"
sonar-admin:             "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner sonar"
sonar-request:           "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd sonar"
sonar-owner:             sonar-admin

You need to COPY these lines into the '/etc/postfix/aliases file'. After
your do that, change to the '/etc/postfix' folder, run 'postalias
/etc/postfix/aliases' and then sending mail to the list should work
fine. :)

Jim Hale
---
Jim & Kathy's Website Collection
http://hale.dyndns.org 

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Alonso Landauro
Canales
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 7:41 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Install question


Jim I think I have the same problem,
Would you please give me an example of setuping my aliases? Thank you
very much

Alonso Landauro Canales
====================
PC Prices S.A.C.
Telf: 4477600
http://www.pcprices.com.pe
LIMA - PERU
====================



-----Mensaje original-----
De: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] En nombre de Jim Hale Enviado
el: lunes, 27 de mayo de 2002 13:01
Para: mailman-users at python.org
Asunto: RE: [Mailman-Users] Install question


Did you setup your Aliases in the Alias file? I use Postfix so I can't
help with Sendmail. 

Jim Hale
---
Jim & Kathy's Website Collection
http://hale.dyndns.org 

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Grant Cummings
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 3:38 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install question


I have installed Mailman 2.0.8 via the RPM from Redhat on a server
running Redhat 7.1

The install went fine, web interface works, I can set up new lists, add
users from the website, it mails out a confirmation email, BUT when I go
to send mail to the list, Sendmail bounces back telling me it's not a
valid user.  Sendmail is at version 8.11.6

What have I missed that allows Mailman to create users??

Thanks!
Grant



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From alonso at pcprices.com.pe  Tue May 28 03:09:36 2002
From: alonso at pcprices.com.pe (Alonso Landauro Canales)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 20:09:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list of correct location of all mailman files?
In-Reply-To: <000501c205d9$f2fe2820$0432e7d8@artemis>
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/etc/smrsh/wrapper
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.8
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.8/ACKNOWLEDGMENTS
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.8/BUGS
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.8/FAQ
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.8/INSTALL
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.8/NEWS
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.8/README
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.8/README.LINUX
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.8/README.REDHAT
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.8/TODO
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.8/UPGRADING
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.8/gnu-COPYING-GPL
/var/mailman
/var/mailman/Mailman
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/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.pyc
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/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Autoresponder.py
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/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py
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/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Caiwireless.py
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/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Compuserve.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Compuserve.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/DSN.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/DSN.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Exim.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Exim.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/GroupWise.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/GroupWise.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Microsoft.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Microsoft.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Netscape.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Netscape.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Postfix.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Postfix.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Qmail.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Qmail.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/SMTP32.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/SMTP32.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/SimpleMatch.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/SimpleMatch.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Smail.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Smail.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Yahoo.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Yahoo.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/__init__.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/__init__.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/Auth.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/Auth.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/__init__.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/__init__.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Compuserve.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Compuserve.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/DSN.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/DSN.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Exim.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Exim.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/GroupWise.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/GroupWise.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Microsoft.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Microsoft.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Netscape.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Netscape.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Postfix.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Postfix.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Qmail.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Qmail.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/SMTP32.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/SMTP32.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/SimpleMatch.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/SimpleMatch.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Smail.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Smail.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Yahoo.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Yahoo.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/__init__.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/__init__.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/Auth.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/Auth.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/__init__.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/__init__.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/handle_opts.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/handle_opts.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/roster.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/roster.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Crypt.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Crypt.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py

/var/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Digester.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/EncWord.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/EncWord.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Errors.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Errors.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/GatewayManager.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/GatewayManager.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Acknowledge.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Acknowledge.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/AfterDelivery.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/AfterDelivery.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Approve.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Approve.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CalcRecips.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CalcRecips.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Cleanse.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Cleanse.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Replybot.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Replybot.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SpamDetect.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SpamDetect.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToArchive.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToArchive.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToUsenet.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToUsenet.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/__init__.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/__init__.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging
/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/MultiLogger.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/MultiLogger.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Utils.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Utils.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/__init__.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/__init__.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Message.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Message.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Pending.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/Version.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Version.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/__init__.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/__init__.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/aliases.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/aliases.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py.dist
/var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib
/var/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/StringIO.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/StringIO.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/__init__.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/__init__.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/rfc822.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/rfc822.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/smtplib.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/smtplib.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/tempfile.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/tempfile.pyc
/var/mailman/Mailman/versions.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/versions.pyc
/var/mailman/archives
/var/mailman/archives/public
/var/mailman/bin
/var/mailman/bin/add_members
/var/mailman/bin/arch
/var/mailman/bin/check_db
/var/mailman/bin/check_perms
/var/mailman/bin/clone_member
/var/mailman/bin/config_list
/var/mailman/bin/digest_arch
/var/mailman/bin/dumpdb
/var/mailman/bin/find_member
/var/mailman/bin/list_lists
/var/mailman/bin/list_members
/var/mailman/bin/mmsitepass
/var/mailman/bin/move_list
/var/mailman/bin/newlist
/var/mailman/bin/paths.py
/var/mailman/bin/remove_members
/var/mailman/bin/rmlist
/var/mailman/bin/sync_members
/var/mailman/bin/update
/var/mailman/bin/version
/var/mailman/bin/withlist
/var/mailman/cgi-bin
/var/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
/var/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb
/var/mailman/cgi-bin/archives
/var/mailman/cgi-bin/edithtml
/var/mailman/cgi-bin/handle_opts
/var/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
/var/mailman/cgi-bin/options
/var/mailman/cgi-bin/private
/var/mailman/cgi-bin/roster
/var/mailman/cgi-bin/subscribe
/var/mailman/cron
/var/mailman/cron/bumpdigests
/var/mailman/cron/checkdbs
/var/mailman/cron/crontab.in
/var/mailman/cron/gate_news
/var/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
/var/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
/var/mailman/cron/paths.py
/var/mailman/cron/qrunner
/var/mailman/cron/senddigests
/var/mailman/data
/var/mailman/data/pending_subscriptions.db
/var/mailman/filters
/var/mailman/filters/bowa-strip
/var/mailman/lists
/var/mailman/locks
/var/mailman/logs
/var/mailman/mail
/var/mailman/mail/wrapper
/var/mailman/qfiles
/var/mailman/scripts
/var/mailman/scripts/answer_majordomo_mail
/var/mailman/scripts/driver
/var/mailman/scripts/mailcmd
/var/mailman/scripts/mailowner
/var/mailman/scripts/paths.py
/var/mailman/scripts/post
/var/mailman/templates
/var/mailman/templates/admindbpreamble.html
/var/mailman/templates/adminsubscribeack.txt
/var/mailman/templates/adminunsubscribeack.txt
/var/mailman/templates/admlogin.txt
/var/mailman/templates/approve.txt
/var/mailman/templates/bounce.txt
/var/mailman/templates/checkdbs.txt
/var/mailman/templates/convert.txt
/var/mailman/templates/cronpass.txt
/var/mailman/templates/handle_opts.html
/var/mailman/templates/headfoot.html
/var/mailman/templates/help.txt
/var/mailman/templates/listinfo.html
/var/mailman/templates/masthead.txt
/var/mailman/templates/newlist.txt
/var/mailman/templates/nopass.txt
/var/mailman/templates/options.html
/var/mailman/templates/postack.txt
/var/mailman/templates/postauth.txt
/var/mailman/templates/postheld.txt
/var/mailman/templates/reenable.txt
/var/mailman/templates/refuse.txt
/var/mailman/templates/roster.html
/var/mailman/templates/subauth.txt
/var/mailman/templates/subscribe.html
/var/mailman/templates/subscribeack.txt
/var/mailman/templates/userpass.txt
/var/mailman/templates/verify.txt
/var/www/icons/PythonPowered.png
/var/www/icons/gnu-head-tiny.jpg
/var/www/icons/mailman-large.jpg
/var/www/icons/mailman.jpg

There you go...


Alonso Landauro Canales
====================
PC Prices S.A.C.
Telf: 4477600
http://www.pcprices.com.pe
LIMA - PERU
====================



-----Mensaje original-----
De: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] En nombre de hostmaster
Enviado el: lunes, 27 de mayo de 2002 18:55
Para: mailman-users at python.org
Asunto: [Mailman-Users] list of correct location of all mailman files?


Hi,

I used the rpm at
ftp://rpmfind.speakeasy.net/linux/redhat/7.2/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/mail
man-2.0.6-1.i386.rpm to install mailman via the webmin (www.webmin.com)
package interface.

In viewing the mailman INSTALL file, it became immeadiately obvious that
the rpm used incorrect paths when installing.

Where can I find a list of the correct paths for all mailman files so I
can copy them all to the right place?  I believe doing so should allow
me to run ./configure and 'make install' without errors.

TIA,
~steven
http://rattletrap.shults.org



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From alonso at pcprices.com.pe  Tue May 28 03:25:59 2002
From: alonso at pcprices.com.pe (Alonso Landauro Canales)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 20:25:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install question
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <000201c205e6$9fe2c0d0$9100a8c0@alonso>

Jim I still have the answer of user unknow, but I think I am very close
to finish.
Do I have to create a user with the name of the newlist?

Alonso


-----Mensaje original-----
De: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] En nombre de Jim Hale
Enviado el: lunes, 27 de mayo de 2002 20:11
Para: 'Alonso Landauro Canales'; mailman-users at python.org
Asunto: RE: [Mailman-Users] Install question


OK, when you create a list, after it asks you the email address of the
owner of the list, it shows some entries like (this is what it did for
my Sonar Mailing List):

## sonar mailing list
## created: 09-May-2002 root
sonar:                   "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post sonar"
sonar-admin:             "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner sonar"
sonar-request:           "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd sonar"
sonar-owner:             sonar-admin

You need to COPY these lines into the '/etc/postfix/aliases file'. After
your do that, change to the '/etc/postfix' folder, run 'postalias
/etc/postfix/aliases' and then sending mail to the list should work
fine. :)

Jim Hale
---
Jim & Kathy's Website Collection
http://hale.dyndns.org 

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Alonso Landauro
Canales
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 7:41 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Install question


Jim I think I have the same problem,
Would you please give me an example of setuping my aliases? Thank you
very much

Alonso Landauro Canales
====================
PC Prices S.A.C.
Telf: 4477600
http://www.pcprices.com.pe
LIMA - PERU
====================



-----Mensaje original-----
De: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] En nombre de Jim Hale Enviado
el: lunes, 27 de mayo de 2002 13:01
Para: mailman-users at python.org
Asunto: RE: [Mailman-Users] Install question


Did you setup your Aliases in the Alias file? I use Postfix so I can't
help with Sendmail. 

Jim Hale
---
Jim & Kathy's Website Collection
http://hale.dyndns.org 

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Grant Cummings
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 3:38 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install question


I have installed Mailman 2.0.8 via the RPM from Redhat on a server
running Redhat 7.1

The install went fine, web interface works, I can set up new lists, add
users from the website, it mails out a confirmation email, BUT when I go
to send mail to the list, Sendmail bounces back telling me it's not a
valid user.  Sendmail is at version 8.11.6

What have I missed that allows Mailman to create users??

Thanks!
Grant



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From jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org  Tue May 28 03:37:56 2002
From: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org (Jim Hale)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 20:37:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install question
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

No - the aliases file should take care of that with the line: 

sonar:                   "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post sonar"

Make sure that you run the postalias command to compile the info into
the database. :)

Jim Hale
---
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http://hale.dyndns.org 

-----Original Message-----
From: Alonso Landauro Canales [mailto:alonso at pcprices.com.pe] 
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 8:26 PM
To: 'Jim Hale'; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Install question


Jim I still have the answer of user unknow, but I think I am very close
to finish. Do I have to create a user with the name of the newlist?

Alonso


-----Mensaje original-----
De: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] En nombre de Jim Hale Enviado
el: lunes, 27 de mayo de 2002 20:11
Para: 'Alonso Landauro Canales'; mailman-users at python.org
Asunto: RE: [Mailman-Users] Install question


OK, when you create a list, after it asks you the email address of the
owner of the list, it shows some entries like (this is what it did for
my Sonar Mailing List):

## sonar mailing list
## created: 09-May-2002 root
sonar:                   "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post sonar"
sonar-admin:             "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner sonar"
sonar-request:           "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd sonar"
sonar-owner:             sonar-admin

You need to COPY these lines into the '/etc/postfix/aliases file'. After
your do that, change to the '/etc/postfix' folder, run 'postalias
/etc/postfix/aliases' and then sending mail to the list should work
fine. :)

Jim Hale
---
Jim & Kathy's Website Collection
http://hale.dyndns.org 

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Alonso Landauro
Canales
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 7:41 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Install question


Jim I think I have the same problem,
Would you please give me an example of setuping my aliases? Thank you
very much

Alonso Landauro Canales
====================
PC Prices S.A.C.
Telf: 4477600
http://www.pcprices.com.pe
LIMA - PERU
====================



-----Mensaje original-----
De: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] En nombre de Jim Hale Enviado
el: lunes, 27 de mayo de 2002 13:01
Para: mailman-users at python.org
Asunto: RE: [Mailman-Users] Install question


Did you setup your Aliases in the Alias file? I use Postfix so I can't
help with Sendmail. 

Jim Hale
---
Jim & Kathy's Website Collection
http://hale.dyndns.org 

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Grant Cummings
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 3:38 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install question


I have installed Mailman 2.0.8 via the RPM from Redhat on a server
running Redhat 7.1

The install went fine, web interface works, I can set up new lists, add
users from the website, it mails out a confirmation email, BUT when I go
to send mail to the list, Sendmail bounces back telling me it's not a
valid user.  Sendmail is at version 8.11.6

What have I missed that allows Mailman to create users??

Thanks!
Grant



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From hostmaster at shults.org  Tue May 28 04:34:06 2002
From: hostmaster at shults.org (hostmaster)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 19:34:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/newlist hangs after initial password entered
Message-ID: <000101c205f0$266442b0$0432e7d8@artemis>

system: redhat 7.1 with all available updates for packages that I have
installed.

versions of related packages:
mailman-2.0.11
Python 1.5.2 
sendmail 8.11.6-2.7.1
apache 1.3.22-1.7.1

so, I've doubled checked all the steps in the INSTALL file and the
related README files.

When I run cd to /home/mailman and run bin/newlist, it hangs after I
enter the password at the "Initial $listname password:" prompt.  I've
given it as long as 15 minutes, and it still just sits there.  I'd
expect it to prompt me to confrim the password at the point, but alas,
nothing.

I've tried running newlist as both root and mailman (both su'd to those
accounts and having logged in directly with those accounts via ssh)

here's the command exactly as I'm running it and the first few prompts
up to the time it hangs:

[root at rattletrap mailman]# bin/newlist -o nloutput
Enter the name of the list: test
Enter the email of the person running the list: steven_at_shults.org
Initial test password: 

and that's where it hangs

Here's what I find in /var/log/messages while waiting for a response:

May 27 18:12:55 rattletrap sshd(pam_unix)[16170]: session opened for
user root by (uid=0)

and here's what I get after giving up on newlist and hitting ^c
(ctrl-c):

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "bin/newlist", line 220, in ?
    main()
  File "bin/newlist", line 169, in main
    mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 786, in Create
    self.__lock.lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 286, in lock
    self.__sleep()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 424, in __sleep
    time.sleep(interval)
KeyboardInterrupt
[root at rattletrap mailman]#

any ideas folks?

tia,
~steven





From info at banner-tausch.de  Tue May 28 17:31:55 2002
From: info at banner-tausch.de (Support)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:31:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem running Mailman on my Debian webserver
Message-ID: <009301c2065c$cce40a50$0100a8c0@Server>

Hello,

i installed Mailman on my webserver with apt-get install mailman

Everything works fine, i'm able to create new lists and so on.

My problem is that i'm not able to get access zu the directory over the web.
For example i create a list "testlist", then i get a mail with links to
listinfo and to the webconfiguration, but when i try to visit this links i
get a 404 from my server.

When i use lynx directly on my server when i'm logged in over ssh,
everything is ok ...

in short:
this works: http://localhost/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/testlist
but not this: http://mydomain.tld/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/testlist

firstly the link in the mail was also with localhost but then i changed
mm_cfg.py

What did i forget or what is wrong?

It would be very nice if someone could help me.

Thanks,
Florian Kubis






From mark at Rauterkus.Com  Tue May 28 18:55:28 2002
From: mark at Rauterkus.Com (Mark Rauterkus)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:55:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Case Matters in http://rauterkus.com/mailman/listinfo
Message-ID: <200205281657.g4SGv6h80989@rauterkus.com>

Hi All,

The /mailman/listinfo page on my set-up is case sensative --- in the domain
name.

http://rauterkus.com/mailman/listinfo    and
http://Rauterkus.Com/mailman/listinfo    are different.

Bug or feature? :)

I couldn't find the blasted list of lists -- and then when I did, it was by
mistake, it was hard to find again.

I've never seen a matter of case making a difference within domain name.

Because the domain is my name, I have a habit of making it capitalized. I
did so in all my Mailman forms.


Virtual server, FreeBSD, Mailman = 2.0.9

Ta.


Mark Rauterkus
mark at Rauterkus.Com 




From femenias at opc.com.uy  Tue May 28 20:10:35 2002
From: femenias at opc.com.uy (femenias at opc.com.uy)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:10:35 -0300 (UYT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spanish modules
Message-ID: <1425.192.168.1.3.1022609435.squirrel@opc.com.uy>

Hi:
I need to translate Mailman user?s and administrative?s interfaces into 
spanish.
A guy told me he heard there are idiomatic modules.

Can you help me?.

I have Mailman 2.0.6, on Postfix.





From greybeard at pobox.com  Tue May 28 23:39:43 2002
From: greybeard at pobox.com (William Waggoner)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:39:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forbidden posters doesn't ...
References: <000401c20152$43458210$9865fea9@tritium>  <005a01c202ac$164bebe0$0401a8c0@greybeard.org>
Message-ID: <002a01c20690$2e3b7120$0401a8c0@greybeard.org>

I found out, when the next message came in, that the "Forbidden posters" is
sort-of case sensitive.  I say "sort of" because the entries must be,
apparently, in lower case.  This is even if the original From line is in
mixed case.

One of the offending messages came in today and it was blocked (Hooray!) and
the only change I had made was to use all lower case for the address.  I did
look at the headers in the held message and the From line is upper and lower
case, exactly as in my example below.

----
Bill W

----- Original Message -----
From: "William Waggoner" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 6:49 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forbidden posters doesn't ...


> Mailman 2.0.8
>
> I put a name into the forbidden posters list (Privacy Options: "Addresses
> whose postings are always held for approval",) hoping that I would get a
> notice and it would be held if that "person" posted again.  Today a new
> message came in and it went right through.
>
> I had copied the address directly from the last message that came in,
> including upper and lower case.  I did NOT include any comments or
brackets,
> just the email address itself.  Is there another trick to it?
>
> The address I am trying to stop is:
YourFriends at maildb.bluemountainarts.com
> because they send out a small SPAM advert once a month or so just because
> someone sent one of their greeting cards to the list once or twice.
>
> Bill W
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>
>





From mcc at TO.GD-ES.COM  Mon May 27 21:02:02 2002
From: mcc at TO.GD-ES.COM (Merton Campbell Crockett)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 12:02:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1b2 / linux install problem
In-Reply-To: <3CEF4332.D43EF8F4@lipn.univ-paris13.fr>
Message-ID: 

On Sat, 25 May 2002, Emmanuel Viennet wrote:

> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I find mailman-2.1b2 quite difficult to install on a 
> linux redhat 7.2 system (problems with file permissions).
> 
> BUT, when I try to create a list through the web, I get:
> Bug in Mailman version 2.1b2
> 
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> 
> RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)
> 
> After some investigations, I noticed that Postfix.py (and thus postalias)
> is running with UID=apache, GID=mailman, groups=[apache]
> 
> 
> Can someone help me ?

I am evaluating Mailman as an alternative to Majordomo which I have been
using for years.  I just installed Mailman yesterday.  The "We're sorry, we
hit a bug!" results from ~mailman/cgi-bin not having the correct UID.  The
"cheap" fix is to use chown to set the owner to that used by Apache.

	chown -R www:mailman cgi-bin

Assuming that Apache is running as "www" the above will correct the problem.

Merton Campbell Crockett



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From eososa at unam.edu.ar  Tue May 28 00:29:16 2002
From: eososa at unam.edu.ar (Eduardo Sosa)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 19:29:16 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Greetings from Northeastern Argentina's
Message-ID: <3CF2B33C.6030500@unam.edu.ar>

Hi!
After years having used Sendmail+Majordomo+Linux, I?ve migrated to 
Exim+Mailman+linux http://listas.unam.edu.ar/mailman/listinfo .
I do know that you receive questions like this one every day, but I 
would like to know from where could I download a spanish translation for 
the Mailman 2.0.11

With regards

-- 
/////////////////////////////////////////////
    Eduardo Omar Sosa  eososa at unam.edu.ar
       Universidad Nacional de Misiones
        Ruta 12 Km 7,5 - 3304 M. Lan?s
         Tel-Fax: (++54 3752) 480529
              A R G E N T I N A
/////////////////////////////////////////////





From info at banner-tausch.de  Tue May 28 02:18:26 2002
From: info at banner-tausch.de (Support)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 02:18:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is mailman the thing to use with a big newsletter?
Message-ID: <001501c205dd$30674220$0100a8c0@Server>

Hello,

i'm searching a software that gives me the ability to send my newsletter to
nearly 240'000 recipents.
My webserver is running Debian potato.
I don't now weather mailman is the right software.
I'd be very happy if you could tell me about your experiences.

Thanks,
Florian Kubis






From steven at shults.org  Tue May 28 04:29:37 2002
From: steven at shults.org (Steven)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 19:29:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/newlist hangs after initial password entered
Message-ID: <000001c205ef$86be5b60$0432e7d8@artemis>

system: redhat 7.1 with all available updates for packages that I have
installed.

versions of related packages:
mailman-2.0.11
Python 1.5.2 
sendmail 8.11.6-2.7.1
apache 1.3.22-1.7.1

so, I've doubled checked all the steps in the INSTALL file and the
related README files.

When I run cd to /home/mailman and run bin/newlist, it hangs after I
enter the password at the "Initial $listname password:" prompt.  I've
given it as long as 15 minutes, and it still just sits there.  I'd
expect it to prompt me to confrim the password at the point, but alas,
nothing.

I've tried running newlist as both root and mailman (both su'd to those
accounts and having logged in directly with those accounts via ssh)

here's the command exactly as I'm running it and the first few prompts
up to the time it hangs:

[root at rattletrap mailman]# bin/newlist -o nloutput
Enter the name of the list: test
Enter the email of the person running the list: steven_at_shults.org
Initial test password: 

and that's where it hangs

Here's what I find in /var/log/messages while waiting for a response:

May 27 18:12:55 rattletrap sshd(pam_unix)[16170]: session opened for
user root by (uid=0)

and here's what I get after giving up on newlist and hitting ^c
(ctrl-c):

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "bin/newlist", line 220, in ?
    main()
  File "bin/newlist", line 169, in main
    mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 786, in Create
    self.__lock.lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 286, in lock
    self.__sleep()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 424, in __sleep
    time.sleep(interval)
KeyboardInterrupt
[root at rattletrap mailman]#

any ideas folks?

tia,
~steven





From davorh at phy.hr  Tue May 28 17:47:45 2002
From: davorh at phy.hr (Davor Horvatic)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 18:47:45 +0300 (EEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 403 error problem
Message-ID: 

I installed Mailman to the letter as in INSTALL file.
Test was done as instructed with mail list test.
When I try to acess the web page I recive the
403 error ! Where should I look to resolve problem.

-------------------------------------------------------------
Davor Horvatic,  davorh at phy.hr ,    http://www.phy.hr/~davorh
Theoretical Physics Department, University of Zagreb, Croatia
-------------------------------------------------------------





From john at gold.nildram.co.uk  Tue May 28 20:56:49 2002
From: john at gold.nildram.co.uk (john d)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:56:49 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] restricting privileges
Message-ID: <3CF3D2F1.1010905@gold.nildram.co.uk>

Hi,

Can anyone suggest a way of restricting privileges in the Mailman web 
admin pages? In particular I'd like to stop users with list-admin 
privileges from being able to change the max_message_size setting but 
still allow site-admins to have full access.

Thanks
John





From raquel at thericehouse.net  Wed May 29 00:10:36 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:10:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] restricting privileges
In-Reply-To: <3CF3D2F1.1010905@gold.nildram.co.uk>
References: <3CF3D2F1.1010905@gold.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20020528151036.0b2fb1c5.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Tue, 28 May 2002 19:56:49 +0100
john d john d  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Can anyone suggest a way of restricting privileges in the Mailman
> web 
> admin pages? In particular I'd like to stop users with list-admin 
> privileges from being able to change the max_message_size setting
> but 
> still allow site-admins to have full access.
> 
> Thanks
> John

Tell them to leave it alone or they lose admin privileges?

-- 
Raquel
============================================================
He who allows oppression shares the crime.
  --Erasmus Darwin

                              
                              




From lrosa at mail.hypertrek.info  Wed May 29 07:13:20 2002
From: lrosa at mail.hypertrek.info (Luigi Rosa)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 07:13:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving & upgrading on the same time
Message-ID: <5.1.1.2.2.20020529071316.01ff6898@mail.venus.it>

I am going to move some lists on a new server, and I would like to upgrade 
from 2.0.11 to 2.1 installing 2.1 in the new server.

Is there some sort of FAQ or procedure to do this?


Thanks.


Ciao,
luigi 





From small at huperlab.com  Wed May 29 10:11:03 2002
From: small at huperlab.com (small)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 16:11:03 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to debug about "Can't  deliver mail"
Message-ID: <3CF48D17.208@huperlab.com>

dear all :

My mailman can't work ..

I can see the maillist archive, when i send mail to maillist
But ,It can deliver mail to member


this is my POST and SMTP log, somebody help me ...

Billy D. Chang

POST
May 29 16:22:02 2002 (4484) post to rd from
mailman-owner at localhost.localdomain, size=1331, 1 failures
May 29 16:22:03 2002 (4483) post to test from
mailman-owner at localhost.localdomain, size=1330, 1 failures
May 29 16:22:03 2002 (4483) post to test from
mailman-owner at localhost.localdomain, size=1330, 1 failures
May 29 16:22:03 2002 (4483) post to test from
mailman-owner at localhost.localdomain, size=1332, 1 failures
May 29 16:22:03 2002 (4483) post to huperdvr from
mailman-owner at localhost.localdomain, size=1355, 1 failures
May 29 16:22:03 2002 (4483) post to rd from
mailman-owner at localhost.localdomain, size=1331, 1 failures


SMTP

May 29 16:21:03 2002 (4476) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
refused')
May 29 16:21:03 2002 (4476) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.004 seconds
May 29 16:21:03 2002 (4476) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
refused')
May 29 16:21:03 2002 (4476) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.004 seconds
May 29 16:21:03 2002 (4476) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
refused')
May 29 16:21:03 2002 (4476) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.004 seconds








From comquest at ryoju.net  Wed May 29 10:29:30 2002
From: comquest at ryoju.net (comquest)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 01:29:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail shell not available for mailman
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020421203018.00a5ccd0@lennier.cc.vt.edu> <001601c1e9de$a78f9160$800ba8c0@ctews01>
Message-ID: <00a901c206ea$f42737c0$6f00a8c0@aqua>

I get about the same problem running redhat 7.2 sendmail 8.11.6 with
mailman.b21
-------
smrsh: mailman not available for sendmail programs
554 5.0.0 Service unavailable
-------

has anyone solved this?

----- Original Message -----
From: "E.J.L. Kemper" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error 126


>
> But the strange thing is I think, that de installation procedure didn't
> build the wrapper file at all.
> Some-one from this list send me this file, but that didn't help.
>
> I did however change the error to this....?
>
> ------snip------
>
>   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
>     (reason: service unavailable)
>     (expanded from: )
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> 554 5.0.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... Service
unavailable
>
> --------snip-------------
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Jarrell" 
> To: "E.J.L. Kemper" ;

> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 2:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error 126
>
>
> > At 12:23 AM 4/20/02 +0200, E.J.L. Kemper wrote:
> >
> > >I am still stuck at the smrsh.
> > >
> > >I am getting error 126 send back to the email?
> > >
> > >   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> > >"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
> > >     (reason: 126)
> > >
> > >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > >/bin/sh: /usr/adm/sm.bin/wrapper: is a directory
> > >554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown mailer
> error
> > >126
> >
> > sounds like you screwed up your smrsh config.  if
> > /usr/adm/sm.bin/wrapper  is a directory, smrsh certainly cant exec
> > it.  It's not a mailman issue.
>
>
>
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From sebold at lcms.org  Wed May 29 13:24:19 2002
From: sebold at lcms.org (Charles Sebold)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 06:24:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is mailman the thing to use with a big
 newsletter?
In-Reply-To: <001501c205dd$30674220$0100a8c0@Server> (Support's message of
 "Tue, 28 May 2002 02:18:26 +0200")
References: <001501c205dd$30674220$0100a8c0@Server>
Message-ID: <871ybvb3j0.fsf@lcms.org>

On 17 Sivan 5762, info at banner-tausch.de wrote:

> i'm searching a software that gives me the ability to send my
> newsletter to nearly 240'000 recipents.  My webserver is running
> Debian potato.  I don't now weather mailman is the right software.
> I'd be very happy if you could tell me about your experiences.

Make sure you read the FAQ about tuning your MTA.  Also, use Woody's
Python and Mailman packages - Potato's are extremely out of date.  Or
roll your own Mailman - but I would still recommend updating Python.

Mailman is excellent for things like giving your users a web interface
to subscribe and unsubscribe as well as a mail interface to do so.
Compared to the other free (and many commercial) list servers out there,
you will be glad you switched.  You might want to take some time reading
the archives of this list, and look for people's complaints - they will
accustom you to Mailman's idiosyncrasies.  For me it has been nothing
but worth it (we have migrated lists from Majordomo at one site, and
PMDF/Mailserv at the other).

Also have a look at posts having to do with Mailman 2.1 beta.  You might
want to use that, or wait until it is released.  It promises to be quite
a good upgrade.
-- 
Charles Sebold                                       18th of Sivan, 5762
LCMS - Office of Information Systems                http://unix.ois.org/
        *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily ***
        *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod ***




From techguru at multibyte.de  Wed May 29 16:26:31 2002
From: techguru at multibyte.de (Dirk H. Schulz)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 16:26:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists on listinfo page not showing up
Message-ID: <1781796.1022689591@[192.168.215.120]>

Hi there,

my lists are not shown on the listinfo page ("no public lists available"), 
although all my lists are configured as public (privacy options).

On the first day, when I set up everything, it worked fine and they were 
all shown.

>From the second day on the listinfo page is empty saying there are no 
public lists.

Any hint is appreciated.

Dirk




From mark at Rauterkus.Com  Wed May 29 16:29:30 2002
From: mark at Rauterkus.Com (Mark Rauterkus)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:29:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists on listinfo page not showing up
Message-ID: <200205291431.g4TEVDI24962@rauterkus.com>

> Any hint is appreciated.

Watch the capital letters in the domain name. 

http://Rauterkus.Com/mailman/listinfo/     <-- shows lists
http://rauterkus.com/mailman/listinfo/     <-- hides lists

Bug or Feature???



Ta.


Mark Rauterkus
mark at Rauterkus.com  http://Rauterkus.com
http://CLOH.Org     Community Learning Outreach Hub






From stephen at exitwound.org  Wed May 29 16:41:05 2002
From: stephen at exitwound.org (Stephen E. Hargrove)
Date: 29 May 2002 09:41:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Snafu'd config
Message-ID: <1022683275.24708.7.camel@hargrove>

I've just installed mailman, and have apparently configured something
incorrectly.  I've looked, but I'm just not seeing it.

The welcome email sent to me by the system pointed me to
http://whatever/mailman/admin/listname.  I entered my password, and thes
page opened fine.  I made a few changes and hit the Submit Your Changes
button.  I'm then given the following:

The requested URL /admin/listname was not found on this server.

It should probably be pointing to /mailman/admin rather than /admin. 
Any ideas what I may have configured incorrectly?

Thanks!
--
steve





From rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net  Wed May 29 17:01:56 2002
From: rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net (Bob Weissman)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 08:01:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redundant headers in digests
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020529075914.00a55010@rlw.best.vwh.net>

I subscribe to the "SA Talk" list for SpamAssassin discussions in digest mode. When I receive a digest, it shows all the headers in every digested message. So I get loads of List-*, Resent-*, Content-Type, etc., etc. headers in each and every digested message.

IMHO, Mailman should remove these from outgoing digests. Any takers?

- Bob





From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Wed May 29 17:37:56 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 16:37:56 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman (2.0.11) + htdig integration - empty result page
In-Reply-To: <200205291620.28948.pizl@systinet.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020529160915.0400a678@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 16:20 29/05/2002 +0200, Zdenek Pizl wrote:
>Hallo,
>
>  i am struggling with problem of empty result page while searching mailist
>archive. Do i have missing some templates or is there some "hack" to be done?
>
>                                                                 with regards
> 
>Z. P.

Not a lot to go on in trying to determine what is causing your problem.

First, there is no undocumented "hack" to getting the mailman-htdig patches 
working that I am aware of. Most of the "hacking" is documented in the 
$build/INSTALL.htdig-mm that the 444884 patch adds.

I'll assume you got a list which has archiving turned on, has had posts to 
it since the integration patches were installed and archiving was turned 
on, and either you or cron have subsequently run the 
$prefix/cron/nightly_htdig script. As a consequence, I'll assume that the 
search form has been added to the TOC page for this list and its in 
response to completing and submitting that form that you are getting an 
empty page response.

You do not say whether you've used htsearch other that via the Mailman list 
TOC forms and whether it has worked or not. No matter.

One possible problem may be with your htdig installation. htsearch will try 
and use the various templates in htdig's COMMON_DIR as defined during 
installation of htdig (see http://www.htdig.org/htsearch.html) to render 
its response. It is possible that some problem in configuring or installing 
htdig may mean that htsearch cannot find the templates in htdig's 
COMMON_DIR and this is the cause of the problem.

If this SWAG doesn't help then you'll need to supply a bit more information 
to help track down the problem.









From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Wed May 29 18:54:20 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 17:54:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman (2.0.11) + htdig integration - empty result page
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020529175323.03ff7c58@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 17:49 29/05/2002 +0200, Zdenek Pizl wrote:
>Dne st 29. kv?ten 2002 17:37 jste napsal(a):
> > At 16:20 29/05/2002 +0200, Zdenek Pizl wrote:
> > >Hallo,
> > >
> > >  i am struggling with problem of empty result page while searching
> > > mailist archive. Do i have missing some templates or is there some "hack"
> > > to be done?
> > >
> > >                                                                 with
> > > regards
> > >
> > >Z. P.
> >
> > Not a lot to go on in trying to determine what is causing your problem.
> >
> > First, there is no undocumented "hack" to getting the mailman-htdig patches
> > working that I am aware of. Most of the "hacking" is documented in the
> > $build/INSTALL.htdig-mm that the 444884 patch adds.
>
>Thanks for your response. I managed it to work. I had to slightly modify
>/etc/htdig-mailman/archive.conf - common_dir and search_results_wrapper
>directives was added. I noticed that there was no newline character after the
>last line of directives (but i think that was my mistake).
>
>OK, everything is working fine. The only thing is that i have to create my 
>own
>templates to suit mailman visual style ...
>
>                                                                 thanks
> 
>Z.P.

Just a point of clarification. Are you using the Mailman-htdig integration 
patches 444879 and 444884 posted on sourceforge?

If not ignore what follows.

If so the way you describe as fixing the problem will not last.

The link in htdig's CONFIG_DIR directory (looks like its /etc/htdig-mailman 
in your case) is  a symbolic link to a directory in Mailman's file 
structures: $prefix/archives/htdig. This directory in turn contains one 
symbolic link per archived mailing list. These links point to 
$prefix/private//htdig/.conf respectively, these being 
the per list htdig conf files.

Each Mailman list has its own htdig configuration file which is 
automatically generated by the code added to Mailman when the first message 
is posted to that list after installation of the patch.

[If you want to know why things are organized this way then think about 
dealing with the issue of security for private archives under search and 
the need to isolate list search indexes for lists from each other.]

The way you have fixed the problem will only apply to the list whose htdig 
conf file you have edited. I doubt you want to have a career editing these 
htdig conf files as a new one is created for each new archived mailing list 
on your system.

You really want to get at the root of your problem which is what is wrong 
with your htdig installation such that htsearch cannot find the default 
htdig COMMON_DIR. The ./configure and make install for htdig should have 
branded this information into the htsearch CGI program. For the sake of 
your future sanity I strongly suggest you take a hard look at your htdig 
installation and correct what has gone wrong.

If you are really determined not to fix the htdig side of things then it is 
possible to change the code that generates the htdig conf files for the 
lists to try and compensate. If you want I'll point you in the direction of 
the source code to change but at that point you'll have to be your own 
support person for the revised code.


> >
> > I'll assume you got a list which has archiving turned on, has had posts to
> > it since the integration patches were installed and archiving was turned
> > on, and either you or cron have subsequently run the
> > $prefix/cron/nightly_htdig script. As a consequence, I'll assume that the
> > search form has been added to the TOC page for this list and its in
> > response to completing and submitting that form that you are getting an
> > empty page response.
> >
> > You do not say whether you've used htsearch other that via the Mailman list
> > TOC forms and whether it has worked or not. No matter.
> >
> > One possible problem may be with your htdig installation. htsearch will try
> > and use the various templates in htdig's COMMON_DIR as defined during
> > installation of htdig (see http://www.htdig.org/htsearch.html) to render
> > its response. It is possible that some problem in configuring or installing
> > htdig may mean that htsearch cannot find the templates in htdig's
> > COMMON_DIR and this is the cause of the problem.
> >
> > If this SWAG doesn't help then you'll need to supply a bit more information
> > to help track down the problem.





From comquest at ryoju.net  Wed May 29 19:29:20 2002
From: comquest at ryoju.net (comquest)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:29:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail shell not available for mailman
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020421203018.00a5ccd0@lennier.cc.vt.edu> <001601c1e9de$a78f9160$800ba8c0@ctews01> <00a901c206ea$f42737c0$6f00a8c0@aqua>
Message-ID: <000c01c20736$5dcf2480$6f00a8c0@aqua>

well duh!
didn't see the readme folks. sorry. for any other newbie with this problem

from the SENDMAIL.README
--------------------
    Many newer versions of Sendmail come with a restricted execution
    utility called "smrsh", which limits the executables that Sendmail
    will allow to be used as mail filter programs.  You need to
    explicitly allow Mailman's wrapper program to be used with smrsh
    before it will work.  If mail is not getting delivered to
    Mailman's wrapper program and you're getting an "operating system
    error" in your mail syslog, this could be your problem.

    One good way of doing this is to:

        - cd into /etc/smrsh (or where ever it happens to reside on
          your system, such as /var/smrsh or /usr/local/smrsh).

        - create a symbolic link to Mailman's wrapper program

    For example, if you've installed Mailman in the standard location,
    you can just execute these commands (you might have to do these as
    root):

        % cd /etc/smrsh
        % ln -s /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman mailman
--------------------

----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 1:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] sendmail shell not available for mailman


> I get about the same problem running redhat 7.2 sendmail 8.11.6 with
> mailman.b21
> -------
> smrsh: mailman not available for sendmail programs
> 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable
> -------
> 
> has anyone solved this?
> 






From jpenner at v3.ca  Wed May 29 19:54:29 2002
From: jpenner at v3.ca (Jamie Penner)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:54:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe passwords
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020529105419.02cf51e0@mail.nisa.net>

I can't seem to find anything but is there anyway to allow users to 
unsubscribe without having to use a password?







From claw at kanga.nu  Wed May 29 20:56:37 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 11:56:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redundant headers in digests 
In-Reply-To: Message from Bob Weissman  
   of "Wed, 29 May 2002 08:01:56 PDT." <5.1.0.14.0.20020529075914.00a55010@rlw.best.vwh.net> 
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020529075914.00a55010@rlw.best.vwh.net> 
Message-ID: <523.1022698597@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 29 May 2002 08:01:56 -0700 
Bob Weissman  wrote:

> I subscribe to the "SA Talk" list for SpamAssassin discussions in
> digest mode. When I receive a digest, it shows all the headers in
> every digested message. So I get loads of List-*, Resent-*,
> Content-Type, etc., etc. headers in each and every digested message.
> IMHO, Mailman should remove these from outgoing digests. Any takers?

A MIME digest should contain unedited versions of the constituent
messages.  Why?  That way it can be burst back into the discrete
messages just as if the subscriber had received them that way in the
first place (and is the way digests are and were intended to be used).

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk  Wed May 29 21:06:25 2002
From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 29 May 2002 21:06:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redundant headers in digests
In-Reply-To: <523.1022698597@kanga.nu>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020529075914.00a55010@rlw.best.vwh.net>  
	<523.1022698597@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <1022699189.20507.4.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 20:56, J C Lawrence wrote:
> A MIME digest should contain unedited versions of the constituent
> messages.  Why?  That way it can be burst back into the discrete
> messages just as if the subscriber had received them that way in the
> first place (and is the way digests are and were intended to be used).

Definitely.  What is the situation for "classic" digests though.

	Nigel

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From rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net  Wed May 29 21:10:43 2002
From: rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net (Bob Weissman)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:10:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redundant headers in digests 
In-Reply-To: <523.1022698597@kanga.nu>
References: 
 <5.1.0.14.0.20020529075914.00a55010@rlw.best.vwh.net>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20020529075914.00a55010@rlw.best.vwh.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020529120950.00a2a070@rlw.best.vwh.net>

At 11:56 AM 5/29/02, J C Lawrence wrote:
>On Wed, 29 May 2002 08:01:56 -0700 
>Bob Weissman  wrote:
>
>> I subscribe to the "SA Talk" list for SpamAssassin discussions in
>> digest mode. When I receive a digest, it shows all the headers in
>> every digested message. So I get loads of List-*, Resent-*,
>> Content-Type, etc., etc. headers in each and every digested message.
>> IMHO, Mailman should remove these from outgoing digests. Any takers?
>
>A MIME digest should contain unedited versions of the constituent
>messages.  Why?  That way it can be burst back into the discrete
>messages just as if the subscriber had received them that way in the
>first place (and is the way digests are and were intended to be used).

Thanks for the explanation. I guess Eudora isn't handling these properly, then. I'll switch to a text digest.

- Bob





From mailman at whitworks.com  Wed May 29 22:17:33 2002
From: mailman at whitworks.com (valerie)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:17:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin interface question
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Can someone tell me where the verbage for the admin interface comes from?  
You know, where it says:
Configuration Categories
General Options
Membership Management
etc...
and has the Description/Value table below depending on which page you're 
on...

I'm trying to figure out a way to "hide" certain options so newbie 
listowners can't goof up their lists.

Thanks in advance...

Oh, I'm using version 2.0.10

-valerie





From claw at kanga.nu  Wed May 29 22:48:30 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 13:48:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redundant headers in digests 
In-Reply-To: Message from Nigel Metheringham  
   of "29 May 2002 21:06:25 +0200." <1022699189.20507.4.camel@gaspode.localnet> 
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020529075914.00a55010@rlw.best.vwh.net> <523.1022698597@kanga.nu>  <1022699189.20507.4.camel@gaspode.localnet> 
Message-ID: <2697.1022705310@kanga.nu>

On 29 May 2002 21:06:25 +0200 
Nigel Metheringham  wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 20:56, J C Lawrence wrote:

>> A MIME digest should contain unedited versions of the constituent
>> messages.  Why?  That way it can be burst back into the discrete
>> messages just as if the subscriber had received them that way in the
>> first place (and is the way digests are and were intended to be
>> used).

> Definitely.  What is the situation for "classic" digests though.

I'm not really sure.  The RFC doesn't touch the area.  Standard practice
seems to be to trim the headers down to just the basic 7.  That still
allows the messages to be burst and replied to retaining the
References/In-Reply-To headers, but keeps the visual clutter down.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From greybeard at pobox.com  Thu May 30 00:38:40 2002
From: greybeard at pobox.com (William Waggoner)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 18:38:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists on listinfo page not showing up
References: <200205291431.g4TEVDI24962@rauterkus.com>
Message-ID: <005a01c20761$94d1e140$0401a8c0@greybeard.org>

That's not my experience.

http://TheRack.greybeard.org/mailman/listinfo

and

http://therack.greybeard.org/mailman/listinfo

both give me the same page with the list information.  [Mailman 2.0.8]

Try it yourself.

----
Bill W

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Rauterkus" 
To: "Dirk H. Schulz" 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Lists on listinfo page not showing up


> > Any hint is appreciated.
> 
> Watch the capital letters in the domain name. 
> 
> http://Rauterkus.Com/mailman/listinfo/     <-- shows lists
> http://rauterkus.com/mailman/listinfo/     <-- hides lists
> 
> Bug or Feature???
> 
> 
> 
> Ta.
> 
> 
> Mark Rauterkus
> mark at Rauterkus.com  http://Rauterkus.com
> http://CLOH.Org     Community Learning Outreach Hub
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 
> 





From rb at islandnet.com  Wed May 29 18:17:37 2002
From: rb at islandnet.com (Ron Brogden)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 16:17:37 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin password reset
Message-ID: 

Howdy.  I have looked through the various FAQs for this as well as searching 
via Google and looking through the various admin commands in the bin 
directory with no luck.  If this is covered somewhere else, please let me 
know.

I am wondering how one goes about resetting the password for a given mailing 
list *without* having to delete and start from scratch.  "config_list" seems 
to have no password option available and the example password changing option 
for "withlist" (which I have made into its own script now), changes members 
but not a specific list.  

Any ideas or example code I can use with "withlist"?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Cheers

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From rb at islandnet.com  Wed May 29 18:21:01 2002
From: rb at islandnet.com (Ron Brogden)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 16:21:01 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing subscriber options
Message-ID: 

Howdy.  I have another seemingly should be common question that I have not 
been able to answer myself.  

I made the mistake of subscribing a bunch of users without setting them to 
receive mail as a digest.  I don't want to un-subscribe and then re-add them 
as this will cause their passwords to be reset.  Is there anyway to change 
options for a list per user?  Is this something you can achieve using 
"withlist" or is there some other method that can be scripted? I really do 
not want to get carpel tunnel syndrome clicking a million times via the web 
interface.

=)

Any help appreciated.

Ron

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From rb at islandnet.com  Wed May 29 19:40:44 2002
From: rb at islandnet.com (Ron Brogden)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 17:40:44 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing subscriber options
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020529170427.00a10750@rlw.best.vwh.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020529170427.00a10750@rlw.best.vwh.net>
Message-ID: 

On May 30, 2002 12:04 am, you wrote:
> You really need to take a look at Mailman's web UI. It does this and what
> you asked for in your previous message.

That is simply not true for my problem with changing user settings.  It may 
be true for the admin password now that I think of it since I can hopefully 
use the site password to log into the list and change it there (as long as 
this remembers scope properly and doesn't change "my" password instead of the 
lists).  I do not think that this was covered in the manual however.  

As to my other question though. . .  

Mailman's web interface lets you make changes to users onesies twosies via 
one huge form with individual check boxes for every user (yuck).  This means 
that for a list with more than a handful of subscribers you are doing one 
hell of a lot of clicking and submitting.  In my case I am looking after the 
listbox itself and it is simply not reasonable to expect that I should have 
to click 1000+ checkboxes, another 34 clicks to go through each page, etc. 
times the number of lists on the box just to perform basic administration.  
Like I said, I do not want to get carpel tunnel syndrome just  from 
performing standard mass administration duties in Mailman.  

I *know* pretty much for a fact that there should be a way to achieve this 
via "withlist" but as I am not sure what the specific properties are that 
need to be changed or how to reference their methods, I am asking for help 
here.

So again, if anyone can suggest how to *from the command line* adjust list 
members options (so that it can be scripted), I would definitely appreciate 
it.

Cheers,

Ron

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From courtney at 4th.com  Thu May 30 03:42:13 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 21:42:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New to Mailman -- Dropped messages to list owner's own email
Message-ID: <200205292142.13712.courtney@4th.com>

Good evening, all, or good morning to those in distant time zones!

I've been using Mailman for just shy of a week, with generally good results,
but have run into a very strange problem as my configuration complexity has
grown. I've been to the FAQ, the online docs, and numerous Google searches of
the list archives, to no avail. I'm sure someone has seen this before, and
I'm hoping you can help.

The configuration is this: I am on a Linux server where I have root privileges
but do not own the server. Because of this, I try to keep as many of my
configurations as possible confined to my regular login, so as not to disrupt
the rest of the functions of this machine.

I have Mailman 2.1b2 (beta) installed in ~/mailman. By the way, I tried the
stable version first and encountered this same (exactly!) problem, and went to
the beta in hopes that it would be fixed -- so I don't think it's a beta bug.

I own two domains and want to share one instance of Mailman between them. Call
the domains d1.com and d2.net. Neither of these domains is the official
domain in which the server lives. I read the docs on how to do this, got
Mailman set up, and everything is working perfectly with the exception of the
one issue. All through-the-web interfaces are working flawlessly, including
the archives.

Now, to avoid an intrusive bunch of changes to /etc/mail/virtusertable and
/etc/aliases, I am setting up Mailman to use procmail for local routing within
my own login. Here is the setup:

/etc/mail/virtusertable:

@d1.com		local:mylogin
@d2.net		local:mylogin
myotherlogin at d1.com	local:mylogin

In ~/.procmailrc:

LOGFILE=/home/mylogin/Procmail/log

:0:
* ^TO_\/(mylogin|myotherlogin)@d1.com
$DEFAULT
:0fw
* ^TO_staff at d2.net
|/home/mylogin/mailman/mail/mailman post staff
:0fw
* ^TO_staff-\/(owner|admin|bounces....and so on...|subscribe)@d2.net
|M=`echo $MATCH | sed -e 's/@d2.net//'` && /home/mylogin/mailman/mail/mailman $M staff

Now, EVERYTHING is working great -- users can subscribe, post messages, list
owner features and user features from web work fine. All messages go to the
archives, just like clockwork. Everything works -- except that *I* get no mail
from the list!

I have tried sending mail to the list from several subscribed addresses, and it
all goes through and posts to everyone but my two main addresses. Oddly enough,
all regular inbound mail is caught by the first procmail rule and stays in my
$DEFAULT folder as intended. I have verified this by temporarily putting another
folder name in there.

No errors in any of the SMTP logs, Mailman logs, or procmail logs. The procmail
log shows a one-byte message being posted to my /var/spool/mail/mylogin mailbox.
That's the only anomaly.

Any ideas?

Kind regards,

Scott

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From river at unit-e.com  Thu May 30 05:39:40 2002
From: river at unit-e.com (River Brandon)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 23:39:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bcc problem
Message-ID: 

i have a number of lists on mailman and have been very happy. recently,
though, the software has started holding messages for approval due to
implicit destinations. the problem is that there are no implicit
destinations (bcc) in the messages. on top of that, i am not receiving
administrative notifications when the messages are held. has anyone else
experienced something like this?
----
River Brandon * t 207.439.9248 * http://unit-e.com





From raquel at thericehouse.net  Thu May 30 07:11:12 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 22:11:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New to Mailman -- Dropped messages to list owner's own email
In-Reply-To: <200205292142.13712.courtney@4th.com>
References: <200205292142.13712.courtney@4th.com>
Message-ID: <20020529221112.7add18fc.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Wed, 29 May 2002 21:42:13 -0400
Scott Courtney Scott Courtney  wrote:

> Good evening, all, or good morning to those in distant time zones!



>  Everything works -- except that *I*
> get no mail
> from the list!
> 
> I have tried sending mail to the list from several subscribed
> addresses, and it
> all goes through and posts to everyone but my two main addresses.
> Oddly enough,
> all regular inbound mail is caught by the first procmail rule and
> stays in my
> $DEFAULT folder as intended. I have verified this by temporarily
> putting another
> folder name in there.
> 
> No errors in any of the SMTP logs, Mailman logs, or procmail logs.
> The procmail
> log shows a one-byte message being posted to my
> /var/spool/mail/mylogin mailbox.
> That's the only anomaly.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Scott

Scott,

I like checking the easy stuff first.  Have you subscribed your two
main addresses to the lists?  Are those two addresses set to
"nomail"?

-- 
Raquel
============================================================
One of the greatest victories you can gain over someone is to beat
him at politeness                                        
  --Josh Billings

                              
                              




From kremels at kreme.com  Thu May 30 08:18:09 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 00:18:09 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Snafu'd config
In-Reply-To: <1022683275.24708.7.camel@hargrove>
Message-ID: <033A7F46-7395-11D6-8125-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>

On Wednesday, May 29, 2002, at 08:41 AM, Stephen E. Hargrove wrote:
> It should probably be pointing to /mailman/admin rather than /admin.
> Any ideas what I may have configured incorrectly?

Did you change the "Base URL" ont eh General page?  it should be:

http://your.domain.tld/mailman/


Now, how do I configure this so that http://mailman.my.domain.tld/ can be 
the base url?

--
You are responsible for your rose.
"Rule 5: Get Kirsten Dunst wet" (p 74 of Time 20-05-02)





From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk  Thu May 30 09:03:21 2002
From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 30 May 2002 09:03:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bcc problem
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1022742205.21718.11.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 05:39, River Brandon wrote:
> i have a number of lists on mailman and have been very happy. recently,
> though, the software has started holding messages for approval due to
> implicit destinations. the problem is that there are no implicit
> destinations (bcc) in the messages. on top of that, i am not receiving
> administrative notifications when the messages are held. has anyone else
> experienced something like this?

Implicit destination means that the lists posting address was not found
in the To/Cc headers (nothing to do with Bcc other than that would be a
way to generate a message to the list without the list address in
To/Cc).

This can be down to several things:-
  - use of the list name in the "wrong" domain on a multi-domained
    host.

  - Having the host-name-this-list-prefers set wrong (tends to
    catch all messages).

  - the message passing through an alias or similar so the header
    address does not match

  - bcc or spam or something which does not put the real recipients
    in the headers.

The first few of these can be dealt with by setting the list name
aliases in the privacy options

With respect of the notifications, check in the "General options" page
the "Should administrator get immediate notice of new requests, as well
as daily notices about collected ones? " option.

	Nigel.
-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham           Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ]
[ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ]





From raquel at thericehouse.net  Thu May 30 09:28:37 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 00:28:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Snafu'd config
In-Reply-To: <033A7F46-7395-11D6-8125-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>
References: <1022683275.24708.7.camel@hargrove>
	<033A7F46-7395-11D6-8125-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>
Message-ID: <20020530002837.32e53759.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Thu, 30 May 2002 00:18:09 -0600
LuKreme LuKreme  wrote:

> On Wednesday, May 29, 2002, at 08:41 AM, Stephen E. Hargrove
> wrote:
> > It should probably be pointing to /mailman/admin rather than
> /admin.
> > Any ideas what I may have configured incorrectly?
> 
> Did you change the "Base URL" ont eh General page?  it should be:
> 
> http://your.domain.tld/mailman/
> 
> 
> Now, how do I configure this so that http://mailman.my.domain.tld/
> can be 
> the base url?

"mailman.my.domain.tld" has to resolve to a real IP number on your
server.  Then you have to set up your web server virtual host so
that it knows where "mailman.my.domain.tld" is on your server.

-- 
Raquel
============================================================
Be a fountain, not a drain.
  --Rex Hudler

                              
                              




From dicko at highway1.com.au  Thu May 30 10:26:20 2002
From: dicko at highway1.com.au (Simon Dixon)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 16:26:20 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removal of To: Header
Message-ID: <5.1.1.2.0.20020530162047.02514760@staff-mail.highway1.com.au>

G'day I need to remove the To: Header from emails send to a list, So that 
people on the list don't know the address of who sent the email.  I have 
been able to remove and alter all other headers that I need to. just not 
this one.  Any idea's would be great.

Thanks

Simon





From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Thu May 30 10:38:53 2002
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 01:38:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removal of To: Header
Message-ID: <200205300839.g4U8dhOl021694@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

Presumably you really mean 'From:'?

You can accomplish that with the anonymous_list variable (see
Privacy/Spam filters in 2.1).

> G'day I need to remove the To: Header from emails send to a list, So that 
> people on the list don't know the address of who sent the email.  I have 
> been able to remove and alter all other headers that I need to. just not 
> this one.  Any idea's would be great.





From dicko at highway1.com.au  Thu May 30 10:51:34 2002
From: dicko at highway1.com.au (Simon Dixon)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 16:51:34 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removal of To: Header
Message-ID: <5.1.1.2.0.20020530165117.02493c60@staff-mail.highway1.com.au>

No I mean To:

For some reason.  Mailman is adding the address of the person posting to 
the list to the To: header.  following is what it get, with the real 
address removed, dicko at blah.com.au is the address of the person posting the 
email.

To: 
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 14:44:39 +0800
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)
Importance: Normal
From: dickolist-admin at mail4.blah.com.au
Subject: [dickolist] Dicko's Test List
Sender: dickolist-admin at mail4.blah.com.au
X-BeenThere: dickolist at mailman.blah.com.au
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11
Reply-To:
X-Reply-To: dickolist at mailman.blah.com.au



At 01:38 AM 30/05/2002 -0700, Dan Mick wrote:
>Presumably you really mean 'From:'?
>
>You can accomplish that with the anonymous_list variable (see
>Privacy/Spam filters in 2.1).
>
> > G'day I need to remove the To: Header from emails send to a list, So that
> > people on the list don't know the address of who sent the email.  I have
> > been able to remove and alter all other headers that I need to. just not
> > this one.  Any idea's would be great.





From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Thu May 30 11:29:17 2002
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 02:29:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removal of To: Header
Message-ID: <200205300930.g4U9U8Ol023171@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> No I mean To:
> 
> For some reason.  Mailman is adding the address of the person posting to 
> the list to the To: header.  following is what it get, with the real 
> address removed, dicko at blah.com.au is the address of the person posting the 
> email.

but presumably it's also the person receiving the mail, in which case
"To:" is, um, how it gets there?

> 
> To: 
> Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 14:44:39 +0800
> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)
> Importance: Normal
> From: dickolist-admin at mail4.blah.com.au
> Subject: [dickolist] Dicko's Test List
> Sender: dickolist-admin at mail4.blah.com.au
> X-BeenThere: dickolist at mailman.blah.com.au
> X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11
> Reply-To:
> X-Reply-To: dickolist at mailman.blah.com.au
> 
> 
> 
> At 01:38 AM 30/05/2002 -0700, Dan Mick wrote:
> >Presumably you really mean 'From:'?
> >
> >You can accomplish that with the anonymous_list variable (see
> >Privacy/Spam filters in 2.1).
> >
> > > G'day I need to remove the To: Header from emails send to a list, So that
> > > people on the list don't know the address of who sent the email.  I have
> > > been able to remove and alter all other headers that I need to. just not
> > > this one.  Any idea's would be great.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From lrathle at teaser.fr  Thu May 30 12:45:11 2002
From: lrathle at teaser.fr (Laurent Rathle)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 12:45:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman in french
Message-ID: <200205301245.11726.lrathle@teaser.fr>

Hello,

Is it possible to put french messages and templates in mailman 2.0.8 and if 
yes, how do I set it ?

Thank you,

-- 
lrathle at teaser.fr




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu May 30 13:27:05 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 12:27:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman (2.0.11) + htdig integration - empty result page
In-Reply-To: <200205301115.47472.pizl@systinet.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020529175323.03ff7c58@pop.ftel.co.uk>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20020529175323.03ff7c58@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020530120437.03d2edf0@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 11:15 30/05/2002 +0200, Zdenek Pizl wrote:
>Dne st 29. kv?ten 2002 18:54 jste napsal(a):
> > At 17:49 29/05/2002 +0200, Zdenek Pizl wrote:
>
> > Just a point of clarification. Are you using the Mailman-htdig integration
> > patches 444879 and 444884 posted on sourceforge?
>
>yes, i am using the patches for 2.0.11 mailman
>
> >
> > Each Mailman list has its own htdig configuration file which is
> > automatically generated by the code added to Mailman when the first message
> > is posted to that list after installation of the patch.
>
>i understand why it is done that way
>
> >
> > [If you want to know why things are organized this way then think about
> > dealing with the issue of security for private archives under search and
> > the need to isolate list search indexes for lists from each other.]
> >
> > The way you have fixed the problem will only apply to the list whose htdig
> > conf file you have edited. I doubt you want to have a career editing these
> > htdig conf files as a new one is created for each new archived mailing list
> > on your system.
> >
> > You really want to get at the root of your problem which is what is wrong
> > with your htdig installation such that htsearch cannot find the default
> > htdig COMMON_DIR. The ./configure and make install for htdig should have
>
>i cannot change htdig instalation. It may be used in many different ways on
>our intranet server ...
>
> > If you are really determined not to fix the htdig side of things then it is
> > possible to change the code that generates the htdig conf files for the
> > lists to try and compensate. If you want I'll point you in the direction of
> > the source code to change but at that point you'll have to be your own
> > support person for the revised code.
>
>it would be nice. i am not familiar with python, but i hope it will be clear
>after your targeting the problem. Does it has something to do with mailman's
>command bin/newlist ??

Zdenek

I'm not convinced you will not encounter problems with his but here goes.

In light of your problem I am adding an extra feature to patch 444884. It 
allows you to specify an arbitrary set of htdig config attributes that are 
to be added at the top of each per mailing list htdig conf file that is 
generated.

You should assign the string that you want inserted at the top of each 
htdig conf file as the value of the Mailman parameter HTDIG_EXTRAS in 
$prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py.

You can have the honour of testing this new feature. Below is the content 
of a patch which you should apply to your Mailman build directory which has 
had the 444879 and 444884 patches applied and in the same way as you 
applied those patches.

Let me know if it works OK and helps solve your problem. If it does I'll 
update the main 444884 patch

Richard


Patch file content starts----------------------------------------------------
diff -r -u -P mailman-2.0.11-x/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py 
mailman-2.0.11-y/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py
--- mailman-2.0.11-x/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py      Thu May 30 11:33:33 
2002
+++ mailman-2.0.11-y/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py      Thu May 30 12:20:26 
2002
@@ -603,6 +603,7 @@
  # Taken from the example config file for ht://Dig, with most comments excised
  # See the htdig.conf from the distribution you have installed
  #
+%(htdig_extras)s
  database_dir: %(databases)s
  start_url: %(starturl)s
  limit_urls_to: ${start_url}
@@ -852,6 +853,7 @@
               "indexing_enable": mm_cfg.ARCHIVE_INDEXING_ENABLE,
               "indexing_disable": mm_cfg.ARCHIVE_INDEXING_DISABLE,
               "htdig_url": htdigfiles,
+             "htdig_extras" = mm_cfg.HTDIG_EXTRAS,
              }
          # we need to changes paths to be relative to file system of
          # remote machine if we are not running htdig on mailman machine
diff -r -u -P mailman-2.0.11-x/Mailman/Defaults.py.in 
mailman-2.0.11-y/Mailman/Defaults.py.in
--- mailman-2.0.11-x/Mailman/Defaults.py.in     Thu May 30 11:33:33 2002
+++ mailman-2.0.11-y/Mailman/Defaults.py.in     Thu May 30 12:17:31 2002
@@ -573,6 +573,20 @@
  HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK = 'htdig-mailman'
  HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH = '/usr/local/bin/rundig'

+# you can use the HTDIG_EXTRAS parameter to add arbitrary htdig
+# configuration attributes to per list htdig config files. The string
+# value you specify is inserted verbatim at the top of each htdig conf
+# file when it is generated. The default value does nothing. Make sure
+# you understand what you are doing before you fool with this facility.
+HTDIG_EXTRAS = """ \
+# start of extra site specific htdig configuration attributes
+#
+# replace these line with your htdig config attribute declarations
+# as defined at http://www.htdig.org/confindex.html
+#
+# end of extra site specific htdig configuration attributes
+"""
+
  # remote htdig support parameters for mailman-htdig integration
  # provides support for running htdig on a different machine from the one
  # running mailman but one having NFS access to the installation directory
Patch file content ends----------------------------------------------------






From courtney at 4th.com  Thu May 30 14:05:28 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 08:05:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New to Mailman -- Dropped messages to list owner's own email
In-Reply-To: <20020529221112.7add18fc.raquel@thericehouse.net>
References: <200205292142.13712.courtney@4th.com> <20020529221112.7add18fc.raquel@thericehouse.net>
Message-ID: <200205300805.29003.courtney@4th.com>

On Thursday 30 May 2002 01:11 am, Raquel Rice wrote:
> I like checking the easy stuff first.

Always a good policy. We've all been bitten in the backside by easy stuff that
got overlooked. :-)

> Have you subscribed your two
> main addresses to the lists?  Are those two addresses set to
> "nomail"?

Yes, they are subscribed, and they are not "nomail." I was certain of this
but in the interest of completeness I rechecked just now. Also, the "not metoo"
option is turned OFF for each address, meaning they *do* receive copies of
their own posts.

As a further bit of info, when a message is delivered to the list, the log
/var/log/maillog actually shows SMTP traffic outbound to each of my two main
addresses plus the separate test address. The test address is the only one
that receives it, though. My main addresses get only the one-byte messages
that appear to be just a bare linefeed or ^D character. Oh, and by the way,
my mailbox file's modification date gets touched.

Scott

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://www.4th.com/    | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)





From pizl at systinet.com  Thu May 30 15:47:49 2002
From: pizl at systinet.com (Zdenek Pizl)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 15:47:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shall header To: be visible in an archive ??
Message-ID: <200205301547.49284.pizl@systinet.com>

Hallo all,

 is it possible to make mailman to show a header To: in its archive ? I know 
it is strange wish, but realy i need it :(.

						thanks
								z.p.





From raquel at thericehouse.net  Thu May 30 17:24:37 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 08:24:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New to Mailman -- Dropped messages to list owner's own email
In-Reply-To: <200205300805.29003.courtney@4th.com>
References: <200205292142.13712.courtney@4th.com>
	<20020529221112.7add18fc.raquel@thericehouse.net>
	<200205300805.29003.courtney@4th.com>
Message-ID: <20020530082437.6bc406da.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Thu, 30 May 2002 08:05:28 -0400
Scott Courtney Scott Courtney  wrote:

> Yes, they are subscribed, and they are not "nomail." I was certain
> of this
> but in the interest of completeness I rechecked just now. Also,
> the "not metoo"
> option is turned OFF for each address, meaning they *do* receive
> copies of
> their own posts.
> 
> As a further bit of info, when a message is delivered to the list,
> the log
> /var/log/maillog actually shows SMTP traffic outbound to each of
> my two main
> addresses plus the separate test address. The test address is the
> only one
> that receives it, though. My main addresses get only the one-byte
> messages
> that appear to be just a bare linefeed or ^D character. Oh, and by
> the way,
> my mailbox file's modification date gets touched.
> 
> Scott

Do you get mail sent directly to those addresses ... not through the
list?

-- 
Raquel
============================================================
Be a fountain, not a drain.
  --Rex Hudler

                              
                              




From fwang2 at yahoo.com  Thu May 30 17:49:03 2002
From: fwang2 at yahoo.com (Oliver Wang)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 08:49:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade errors from 2.1b2
Message-ID: <20020530154903.96019.qmail@web11202.mail.yahoo.com>

hi,

I am testing out mailman 2.1b2 on a redhat 7.3, the
following error ocurred when I did "make install". It
appears to be upgrading mailing list "test". After that,
most commands from "bin" give the same error. Since redhat
7.3 default python is 1.5.2, I use --with-python= to use
python2. Nothing special beyond that. Any idea what's
wrong?

thanks   /oliver

...
Upgrading from version 0xffffffff to 0x20100b2
getting rid of old source files
Updating mailing list: test
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/update", line 542, in ?
    errors = main()
  File "bin/update", line 424, in main
    errors = errors + dolist(listname)
  File "bin/update", line 184, in dolist
    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 101, in
__init__
    self.Load()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 574, in
Load
    self.CheckValues()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 625, in
CheckValues
    for name, pattern, desc, emptyflag in self.topics:
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 128, in
__getattr__
    raise AttributeError, name
AttributeError: topics
make: *** [update] Error 1


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From courtney at 4th.com  Thu May 30 18:31:48 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 12:31:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New to Mailman -- Dropped messages to list owner's own email
In-Reply-To: <20020530082437.6bc406da.raquel@thericehouse.net>
References: <200205292142.13712.courtney@4th.com> <200205300805.29003.courtney@4th.com> <20020530082437.6bc406da.raquel@thericehouse.net>
Message-ID: <200205301231.48072.courtney@4th.com>

On Thursday 30 May 2002 11:24 am, Raquel Rice wrote:
> Do you get mail sent directly to those addresses ... not through the
> list?

Flawlessly, yes. And I apologize for not having mentioned that in my
original post. It was in my brain but never came out on the keyboard.

Scott

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://www.4th.com/    | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)





From geekigirlatde at rogers.com  Thu May 30 18:53:36 2002
From: geekigirlatde at rogers.com (Anita Clarke)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 12:53:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Questions
In-Reply-To: <20020530013902.21479.2357.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: 

Hello,
I'm curious about what constitutes a bounce.  I was looking through the
bounce logs on my system in ~mailman/logs and I saw the line "digester
lucked out".  Does this mean that anyone who is on digest mode the
bounce rules for the list do not apply to them?

The actual line from the log with names changed to protect the innocence

May 27 00:03:01 2002 (XXXXX) Career: anyone at myisp.com - digester lucked
out

Thank you

Anita
================================================
"Our target audience has an average IQ of 87." 

--Mad magazine co-editor Nick Meglin, 
	quoted in The Philadelphia Inquirer. 

"And we usually disappoint them." 

-- Mad co-editor John Ficarra. 


Anita Clarke
geekigirl at rogers.com
http://geekigirl.lyximer.net 
icq 26694314
msn geekig at hotmail.com





From dennis.black at ualberta.ca  Thu May 30 19:30:39 2002
From: dennis.black at ualberta.ca (Dennis Black)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 11:30:39 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive search
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20020530113039.0108cea8@pop.srv.ualberta.ca>

For those Mailman site admins who want archive searches
without the hassle of HtDig install and overhead, a week's 
worth of hacking (actually not many changes) has provided 
my site with archive searches. I throw this to the list
for critique and comment.

Mailman 2.0.9 running since May 3
Apache 1.3.22-1
Postfix 1.1.7
Perlfect Search 3.0.3 http://perlfect.com/freescripts/search/
	(a couple of pl scripts)

I wanted the search button to appear on the list's index.html
page, where the archives-by-month are listed, and since 
HyperArch.py rewrites a list's index.html each time a message
goes to the list, (it updates the archive size) I had to...

edit
/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py
starting at line 545, add the form

arch_listing_end = '''\
         

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
'''

add to mailman's crontab:
# Do indexing at a little after midnight
24 0 * * * perl /home/mailman/cgi-bin/perlfect/search/indexer.pl


add to apache's httpd.conf:

    ScriptAlias /search/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/perlfect/search/"


    
        AllowOverride None
        Options ExecCGI Indexes FollowSymlinks MultiViews
        Order allow,deny
        Allow from all
    

test drive:
http://www.mailman.srv.ualberta.ca/pipermail/test5/


I do have a slight date problem. Hopefully someone's been
through the same. On the month archive, the "Ending" date
and "Last message date" are 20 hours into the future. In
both cases it's from HyperArch.py's %(lastdate)s value.
I'm 7h from GMT, so even if my system date is wrong, where
could I be gaining the extra 13? 'date' at system prompt
returns the correct time. Is it Mailman or me?
Dennis.Black at UAlberta.Ca
Computing and Network Systems
Internet Applications
352 General Services Bldg.
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta T6G 2H1
Phone: 780-492-9329
Fax: 780-492-1729
Webhome: http://www.ualberta.ca/~dblack
Majordomo: http://www.ualberta.ca/cns/majordomo
LWGate: http://www.ualberta.ca/htbin/lwgate
Mailman: http://www.mailman.srv.ualberta.ca






From kremels at kreme.com  Thu May 30 21:23:25 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 13:23:25 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] importing archive 
In-Reply-To: <20020522180952.ED7A77469C@john.meissen.org>
Message-ID: 

On Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 12:09 PM, John Meissen wrote:
> stefan.guerra at metaonline.it said:
>> How do I import an archive into a new mailing list?
>
> I had the same question when I set my list(s) up, and I saw it often
> enough in the archives (usually unanswered) that I'm surprised it's not
> in the FAQ.
>
> If your archive is in mbox format copy it to
>    archives/private/.mbox/.mbox  (where  is your list 
> name)
> then run
>     bin/arch  archives/private/.mbox/.mbox

Wouldn't this over-write the existing list.mbox file?

Or can you only do this when the list is brand new?

or should I cat archive.mbox >> list.mbox?

--
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From courtney at 4th.com  Thu May 30 22:32:38 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 16:32:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migration from YahooGroups
Message-ID: <200205301632.38458.courtney@4th.com>

Hi, all

My previous query to the list is still pending, but on the assumption that we,
or I, will find the answer, I'm preparing the groundwork for moving several
lists that I run from YahooGroups to Mailman.

I sent a request to YG's tech support asking how to download the archives as a
single file, but I doubt they will help me move away from their service. So, I
ask the list: Is this something that one of you has done before, and if so, how
did you do it? I scanned the list management pages on YG extensively but found
nothing that was very helpful. Their online help was...umm...useless to anyone
smart enough to operate a web browser. Helpful advice like, if you want to
manage the membership of your list, go to the members page. Imagine that!

Thanks for any suggestions anyone can offer.

Scott

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courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
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From joe at beststuff.com  Thu May 30 23:01:11 2002
From: joe at beststuff.com (Joe Stewart)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 16:01:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migration from YahooGroups
In-Reply-To: <200205301632.38458.courtney@4th.com>; from courtney@4th.com on Thu, May 30, 2002 at 04:32:38PM -0400
References: <200205301632.38458.courtney@4th.com>
Message-ID: <20020530160111.A32235@beststuff.com>

Googled:  http://www.lpthe.jussieu.fr/~zeitlin/yahoo2mbox.html

I've used this to move a few lists OK.

good luck,

Joe





From stephen.hyland at computer-lawyer.com  Wed May 29 05:13:34 2002
From: stephen.hyland at computer-lawyer.com (Stephen J. Hyland)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 22:13:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please Help Diagnose
Message-ID: 

Here is the text of the failure message I get after MailMan gives up:

> This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).

> A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
> recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

>  pipe to |/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
thelist_mydomain.com

I'm not administrating MailMan, I'm just setting up a mailing list on my
hosting company's server. Is the problem one of setting up the list or of
configuring MailMan in general.

Is anyone else seeing this problem? Is there a fix? I just got 27 copies of
the same farging message.

Gracias in advance for any insights.





From lrosa at venus.it  Wed May 29 07:10:31 2002
From: lrosa at venus.it (Luigi Rosa)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 07:10:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving & upgrading on the same time
Message-ID: <5.1.1.2.2.20020529070859.020a2e48@mail.venus.it>

I am going to move some lists on a new server, and I would like to upgrade 
from 2.0.11 to 2.1 installing 2.1 in the new server.

Is there some sort of FAQ or procedure to do this?


Thanks.


Ciao,
luigi



-- 
+----[Luigi Rosa]-
+--[lrosa at venus.it]--[lrosa at fantascienza.com]-
+--[Integrated Networking Solutions S.a.s. - Milan - Italy]-
+
+--[Non Multa, Sed Multum]-






From gjan100 at hotmail.com  Wed May 29 14:47:47 2002
From: gjan100 at hotmail.com (Gertjan Zomerdijk)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 14:47:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Database
Message-ID: 

Hello,

I'm working with Mailman and i have a question about it's database.

What type of databse is it, type like in Mysql, Interbase etc.
And is it possible to use that type in combination with ODBC and/or php?

Thanks in advance,
Gertjan Zomerdijk.

_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.





From aballestero at uci.ac.cr  Wed May 29 18:44:37 2002
From: aballestero at uci.ac.cr (Andrea Ballestero)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 11:44:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
Message-ID: 

We have created a list through hostway.com But we can?t get to find the way
to include all our excell email database into de mailing list. Could you
help?
The name of the lis is areaprotegida

Thanks

Andrea Ballestero S.
Directora
Escuela Latinoamericana de ?reas Protegidas-ELAP
Universidad para la Cooperaci?n Internacional-UCI

Tel. 506 283-6464
Fax.506 280-8433
Costa Rica

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From jpenner at nisa.net  Wed May 29 19:49:56 2002
From: jpenner at nisa.net (Jamie Penner)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:49:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe passwords
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020529104827.02cf2760@mail.nisa.net>

I can't seem to find anything but is there anyway to allow users to 
unsubscribe without having to use a password?



---------------------------------
Jamie Penner
Nisa Internet Technologies Inc.
Nanaimo, BC  Canada
EMail: jpenner at nisa.net
URL: http://www.nisa.com
Phone: 250-751-1111
Fax: 250-758-3511
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From jring at amug.org  Wed May 29 20:08:37 2002
From: jring at amug.org (Jack Ring)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 11:08:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin access
Message-ID: <00f901c2073b$dc0d01a0$fb93adcf@b5n2z8>

I have been administering the, ieig at incose.propagation.net mailing list but about a week ago the password, seatcieig, that I had used successfully suddenly started returning "authentication failed"  Can you please tell me how to gain access to the admin functions?  I have several requests to process.
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From corporatecrackdown at yahoo.com.br  Wed May 29 16:39:32 2002
From: corporatecrackdown at yahoo.com.br (Luis)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 11:39:32 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] blocking spam
Message-ID: <001301c2071e$a66a68c0$1514aac8@fortytwo>

Hi, Im one of the administrators of the cmi-bh at lists.indymedia.org mailing
list and I have a really simple question.

How can I block all the e-mails coming from a certain domain? How can I
block all the e-mails coming from lycos.co.kr or korea.com, for example?

Thanks,
Luis.
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From sdixon at highway1.com.au  Thu May 30 10:48:29 2002
From: sdixon at highway1.com.au (Simon Dixon)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 16:48:29 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removal of To: Header
In-Reply-To: <200205300839.g4U8dhOl021694@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.2.0.20020530164211.02eb90f8@staff-mail.highway1.com.au>

No I mean To:

For some reason.  Mailman is adding the address of the person posting to 
the list to the To: header.  following is what it get, with the real 
address removed, dicko at blah.com.au is the address of the person posting the 
email.

To: 
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 14:44:39 +0800
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)
Importance: Normal
From: dickolist-admin at mail4.blah.com.au
Subject: [dickolist] Dicko's Test List
Sender: dickolist-admin at mail4.blah.com.au
X-BeenThere: dickolist at mailman.blah.com.au
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11
Reply-To:
X-Reply-To: dickolist at mailman.blah.com.au



At 01:38 AM 30/05/2002 -0700, Dan Mick wrote:
>Presumably you really mean 'From:'?
>
>You can accomplish that with the anonymous_list variable (see
>Privacy/Spam filters in 2.1).
>
> > G'day I need to remove the To: Header from emails send to a list, So that
> > people on the list don't know the address of who sent the email.  I have
> > been able to remove and alter all other headers that I need to. just not
> > this one.  Any idea's would be great.

Simon Dixon
Network Administrator
www.highway1.com.au
email: dicko at highway1.com.au
Ph. 08 9488 8999
Fax 08 9488 8900





From nadav at rtech.co.il  Thu May 30 10:53:49 2002
From: nadav at rtech.co.il (nadav)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 11:53:49 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Connection to SQL with Mailman
Message-ID: <001f01c207b7$854cd5d0$0200a8c0@vaio>

Dear Mailman proffesionals
 
We are an Israeli consulting firm which considering the option to use
Mailmen as the main list server program for the Israeli state lottery
(HaPais).
 
However, since we already have a large lists with a lot of members (the
max. members that we have in the list is 15,000 and growing...) which
stores on an MS SQL DB, I would like to know if there is any option in
the mailman software of the following:
- Importing and exporting of data (email addresses and members name)
from SQL or
- Support ODBC Database drivers via SQL or
- External SQL requests to other tables during post/delete process or
any other mathod.
 
Thank you for your time. Please inform us
 
Sincerely yours
 
Nadav Schriebman
Foundr, Solution architect
Rtech web management
info at rtech.co.il
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From devin at theinternet.info  Thu May 30 12:22:42 2002
From: devin at theinternet.info (Devin Henderson)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 04:22:42 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman question
Message-ID: <3CF5FD72.1070600@theinternet.info>

Hi. I'm using Mailman 2.0.10. I have three rather simple questions.

I had an auto-responder under 'Should Mailman send an auto-response to 
mailing list posters?' that informed the poster that they are not 
allowed to post because this list is used as a newsletter and only the 
admin can post to it. Because of this it doesn't make sense to respond 
to posters with info about their post being held for approval so I said 
'No' to 'Send mail to poster when their post is held for approval?' but 
this apparently disabled my auto-responder. Does this option override 
the auto-responder?

Also, I was wondering if it was possible to edit the templates used when 
sending subscription confirmation and welcome emails. My welcome emails, 
for example, give instructions on how to post although posting is 
restricted to the admin address. It would be nice if I could edit this 
welcome message, as well as the confirmation message. Is this a 
possibility? (A hack maybe?) :)

One final question. I'm using v2.0.10 and when I change the case of the 
public name of my list (from 'Newsletter' to 'newsletter') it says 
"real_name attribute not changed! It must differ from the list's name by 
case only." hmm... anyone else seeing this?

Ok. Those are all of my questions. Thanks!

devin






From tanis at lleida.com  Thu May 30 12:33:51 2002
From: tanis at lleida.com (Andreu Sanchez)
Date: 30 May 2002 12:33:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] large lists question
Message-ID: <1022754831.8330.4.camel@taniz.org>

Hello,

First to do is congratulate you all for the great job you are doing, we
are using mailman in a lot of machines and is working perfectly, keep
doing that great job!.

Well, i have a question regarding mailman, we need to create some lists
with 5000 mail addresses and we ask ourselves if mailman would support
that huge bunch of mails and if the answer is yes, what machine must
have the mailman? 

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

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From jmorrow at jakstar.com  Thu May 30 21:35:15 2002
From: jmorrow at jakstar.com (JAKStar Enterprises)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 15:35:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing without a password
Message-ID: <001601c20811$1f531500$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com>

Does a password HAVE TO BE set up for each user when they subscribe?  I do
not want my clients to have to track a password to unsubscribe from a list.

D. Jeffrey Morrow

JAKStar Enterprises, Inc.
We build web sites so you don't have to!

100 Cavendish Drive - Cary, North Carolina 27513
Phone: 919-467-8410  Fax: (707) 924-0012

On the web at: www.jakstar.com







From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Fri May 31 00:19:44 2002
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 15:19:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shall header To: be visible in an archive ??
References: <200205301547.49284.pizl@systinet.com>
Message-ID: <3CF6A580.BA71E332@utopia.west.sun.com>

No point; the "to" is always the address for the list.  It would
be wasted space.

Why do you "really need" it?

Zdenek Pizl wrote:
> 
> Hallo all,
> 
>  is it possible to make mailman to show a header To: in its archive ? I know
> it is strange wish, but realy i need it :(.




From davew at coyotetechnical.com  Fri May 31 00:38:23 2002
From: davew at coyotetechnical.com (Dave Weiner)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 22:38:23 -0000
Subject: Solved! Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archives
In-Reply-To: <20020502201357.57ee1123nh0@wiley.coyotetechnical.com.coyotetechnical.com>
References: <20020502201357.57ee1123nh0@wiley.coyotetechnical.com.coyotetechnical.com>
Message-ID: <20020530173823.3y5u0cucwys@wiley.coyotetechnical.com.coyotetechnical.com>

Dave Weiner  said:

>
> I've got a strange problem with the archives.  Mailman 2.0.10, Python
> 2.2 on a Red Hat 7.1 box.  Apache is configured correctly (all web
> features except the archive work), the list is working, etc.
>
> When I go to the list archive page (either public or private), I get
>
> You can get more information about this list or you can download the
> full raw archive ( 155 KB ).
>
> Currently, there are no archives.
>
> When I check {prefix}/archives/private/list.mbox/list.mbox, message are
> getting added as they're sent.
>
> runing check_perms reports no errors.  Running {prefix}/bin/arch
> listname generates the flowing output:
>
> Pickling archive state into
> {prefix}/archives/private/listname/pipermail.pck
>
> Yet I still get the "Currently, there are no archieves." message.  I've
> checked {prefix}/archives/private/listname/index.html and it's not a
> caching issue.  It appears that even arch isn't generating the web
> archive.  But I've looked at the mbox file.  All the messages are there,
> and are getting added...
>
> I've checked the FAQ's.  I've read the docs.  I've searched as best I
> could the list archives, and I'm not finding anything.  I've tried doing
> a rebuild and reinstall.  Nothing seems to work.  I'm stumped.  Anybody
> got any ideas?
>
> Dave

The problem was that I was running all mail for the list through
SpamAssassin using the spamc/spamd combination, and spamd was set to
strip the very first "From" line from each message, so when Mailman went
to generate the archive, it didn't find a properly formated mbox file. 
Once I removed the -F0 line from spamd and added From lines to each
message, the archvies are now working.

I think this might be one for the FAQ.

Dave






From devin at thecabal.org  Fri May 31 00:58:50 2002
From: devin at thecabal.org (Devin L. Ganger)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 15:58:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b2 obscuring all poster information
Message-ID: <20020530155850.B23181@thecabal.org>

Hello!

I'm using 2.1b2, and have set up a moderated list.  The main problem
I'm having is that whoever posts, whatever their individual settings,
the list is hiding the poster information and setting the Reply-To:
back to the list.

I've specifically configured the list so that Reply-To: should be
set back to the poster, then configured it the other way, to see
if that had any effect; none noticeable.  I've cleared the "Hide
address" flag on every member -- no effect.

There does not seem to be any way to effect this behavior from the
management interface.  Is there a command-line option I can use,
or am I going to be stuck with re-setting up the list and being
more careful with what options I pick on setup?

-- 
Devin L. Ganger 
Co-Admin, The cabalSASL Project ( http://sasl.thecabal.org/ )
A man, a miss, a car -- a curve,
He kissed the miss and missed the curve -- Burma Shave (1948)




From devin at thecabal.org  Fri May 31 01:00:57 2002
From: devin at thecabal.org (Devin L. Ganger)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 16:00:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b2 membership management page
Message-ID: <20020530160057.C23181@thecabal.org>

Would it be possible to edit the membership management so that
I have the option of seeing a fixed number of members per each
page, rather than split by alphabet?

-- 
Devin L. Ganger 
Co-Admin, The cabalSASL Project ( http://sasl.thecabal.org/ )
A man, a miss, a car -- a curve,
He kissed the miss and missed the curve -- Burma Shave (1948)




From cbester at austin.rr.com  Fri May 31 01:55:04 2002
From: cbester at austin.rr.com (Colin Bester)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 18:55:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] First time user of Mailman - setup question
Message-ID: <00f401c20835$6b8a4d70$0700a8c0@aionetcolin>

Firstly my apologies for asking a question I am sure has been asked
before but I couldn't see a way to view archives.

I have installed Mailman-2.0.11 on Mandrake Linux 7.2 and have attempted
to follow the instructions.

I have and one problem and a question.

My question is what should I enter for the DEFAULT_URL. In my case my
web server is sitting at port 7777 and I am wanting to know if
DEFAULT_URL should equal "http://abc.com/mailman/" or
"http://abc.com:7777/mailman/"

My problem (and I am sure it is my problem, but am having a very dumb
moment)
When running newlist I get a perl script exception stating "host could
not be found". 

Now I would have thought this would have been a pretty basic error and I
confirmed that in the mm_cfg.py file I have entered the 

DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = "host.abc.com"

I am also able to ping the hostname that I entered in this file so I am
a bit lost and would appreciate some input.

BTW I have Perl V5.6 on my linux box

Thanks,
Colin







From wayne at deerhurst.com  Fri May 31 02:42:42 2002
From: wayne at deerhurst.com (wayne)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 20:42:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail loop for digest members
Message-ID: 

My ISP is running version 2.01 of Mailman on their Linux 7.2 box.

I have 2 mailman lists. One is fine. However twice now I have experienced a
mail loop where all digest members received the same digest every 1minute or
so. The only thing I could do is to delete the list as my ISP could not stop
it (as a side note I only have access to the list through the admin web
pages and cannot export the membership list which is a MAJOR problem for me
to get it backed up- I cannot run scripts on the server).

I have found out the following with the mail loop:

Both times the last letter in the digest was from the same person and the
header was:

---------------------------------
First digest causing a mail loop
--------------------------------

------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C20722.AE6062B0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



------------------------------
Second digest causing the loop:
--------------------------------


--__--__--




As you can see, I cannot tell what this is but have seen it on other members
posts as well.

The other coincedence was that the two mail loops occurred 1 week apart
which is the time when the program creates a new archived volume.

Not sure if these are related but this is a real problem. When I re-create
the list I have to have the server rebooted first or I cannot get into the
admin area via my browser.

Again not sure what this all means but my ISP is stumped. I wonder if anyone
can help with some advice??


WAyne





From mvmmvm at gte.net  Fri May 31 04:20:55 2002
From: mvmmvm at gte.net (Kelly's)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 19:20:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user needs some help
Message-ID: <005301c20849$cc1eca80$5450fa43@net>

Hi,

I am new to the list.  I use mailman for a list serve about old cameras.  We have about 250 people on the list.

We have the system set to block all messages from non-members. This filter works well.  I am getting so many blocked messages it is becoming a problem just to discard thay each night.  I am getting about 50 per day. I go to each held message and mark it for Discard each night.

My question is:  Is there any way I can set the  filter to do an automatic discard all the messages it stops.  

Bob Kelly 
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From csf at incose.propagation.net  Fri May 31 05:10:40 2002
From: csf at incose.propagation.net (Cassandra Fleetwood)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 20:10:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to handle single quote in subscriber email address
Message-ID: <001d01c20850$beedda20$0200a8c0@SSLPphaedra>

cron logs the following error message from qrunner when attempting to send
the subscription confirmation message to a user that has a single in their
address (i.e. "john.o'reilly at domain.com").

sh: -c: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `''
sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file

How do I get Mailman to handle addresses that contain a single quote?

My configuration: RedHat 7.2, Apache 1.3.23, Python 1.5.2, Sendmail 8.11.6,
Mailman 2.0.11

-Cassandra





From kri at toxeleia.cftri.org  Fri May 31 11:00:55 2002
From: kri at toxeleia.cftri.org (Krishna Rao SN)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:30:55 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: blocking spam
Message-ID: <200205310900.OAA22085@toxeleia.cftri.org>

>How can I block all the e-mails coming from a certain domain? How can I block a
ll the e-mails
>coming from lycos.co.kr or korea.com, for example?

If you are using Linux and sendmail, the solution is

1. edit /etc/mail/access
   add the following line
   lycos.co.kr  550 No spam allowed here
   korea.com    550 No spam allowed here

2. create access.db with the following command

   makemap hash access.db < access

2. restart sendmail

--krishna




From courtney at 4th.com  Fri May 31 05:22:15 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 23:22:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migration from YahooGroups
In-Reply-To: <20020530160111.A32235@beststuff.com>
References: <200205301632.38458.courtney@4th.com> <20020530160111.A32235@beststuff.com>
Message-ID: <200205302322.15628.courtney@4th.com>

On Thursday 30 May 2002 05:01 pm, Joe Stewart wrote:
> Googled:  http://www.lpthe.jussieu.fr/~zeitlin/yahoo2mbox.html
>
> I've used this to move a few lists OK.
>

Joe,

Excellent utility! As I write this, it is happily downloading all 634 messages
from one of my groups. I had it up and running in five minutes after the
download.

By the way, Gary McClellan responded to me off-list, with some fine suggestions
for migrating the subscriber lists. Gary, I'm not posting your note here since
I forgot to ask your permission when I wrote back to you, but if you read this,
please consider doing so as it might have value for others as part of the list
archive. Gary's suggestion for handling the archive wasn't specifically what
I needed, but I wanted to thank him here for the subscriber migration hints,
which are quite useful to me.

To Joe and Gary, thanks. I consider this problem solved, thanks to you. :-)

Scott

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://www.4th.com/    | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)





From mmtanked at hotmail.com  Fri May 31 08:16:50 2002
From: mmtanked at hotmail.com (mymailman)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 23:16:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] dual installation problems
Message-ID: 

How do I make the administration and all others internal list pointers
direct the commands to a chosen/different default mail directory. I have set
up a second mm installation so I need the admin in the second installation
*not* to refer to the /mailman/ URL

I used :
./configure --with-python=/usr/bin/python2 --prefix=/dir/to/mercury --with-u
sername=mercury --with-groupname=mercury  --with-mail-gid={} --with-cgi-gid=
{}

I changed mm_cfg to:

MAILMAN_URL = 'mercury'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mercury/'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'domain.net'
MAILMAN_SITE_LIST = 'mercury'
# Archive defaults
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/quickmail/%(listname)s'

-----------------------
PROBLEM:
domain.org/mercury/admin/theList    resolves fine, but SUBMIT CHANGES
results
in:

domaig.org/mailman/admin/TheList/general   (the list TheList does not
exist!) No such list TheList.

Help! what am I missing,

Is there something like
INTERNAL_PROG_LOCATION =      ... or some such thing?




From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Fri May 31 08:43:58 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 08:43:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] blocking spam
References: <001301c2071e$a66a68c0$1514aac8@fortytwo>
Message-ID: <3CF71BAE.8FB7D5AC@folkwang-hochschule.de>

> Luis wrote:
> 
> Hi, Im one of the administrators of the cmi-bh at lists.indymedia.org
> mailing list and I have a really simple question.
> 
> How can I block all the e-mails coming from a certain domain? How can
> I block all the e-mails coming from lycos.co.kr or korea.com, for
> example?


add an entry to the header filter in "privacy options", such as
From:.*lycos.co.kr
From:.*korea.com

although i'd be very careful with blocking freemailer domains such as
lycos - you can easily lock out legitimate traffic. at least you should
document this policy somewhere.




From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Fri May 31 08:48:48 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 08:48:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin access
References: <00f901c2073b$dc0d01a0$fb93adcf@b5n2z8>
Message-ID: <3CF71CD0.5893682B@folkwang-hochschule.de>

> Jack Ring wrote:
> 
> I have been administering the, ieig at incose.propagation.net mailing
> list but about a week ago the password, seatcieig, that I had used
> successfully suddenly started returning "authentication failed"  Can
> you please tell me how to gain access to the admin functions?  I have
> several requests to process.
> TKU

congratulations. you have posted a password on a public list. if i were
the admin of that site, i would roast you. luckily, no such list seems
to exist on that host. ;)
talk to your admin - he can access the admin interface with his site
password and reset it for you. (don't tell him you posted here.)




From pizl at systinet.com  Fri May 31 08:54:59 2002
From: pizl at systinet.com (Zdenek Pizl)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 08:54:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shall header To: be visible in an archive ??
In-Reply-To: <3CF6A580.BA71E332@utopia.west.sun.com>
References: <200205301547.49284.pizl@systinet.com> <3CF6A580.BA71E332@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <200205310854.59329.pizl@systinet.com>

Dne p? 31. kv?ten 2002 00:19 jste napsal(a):
> No point; the "to" is always the address for the list.  It would
> be wasted space.

I dont't think so. Imagine the "only an archive with persistent URI of each 
message" usecase. People are writing not to the list but directly to the 
recipient and they can do Cc: to the list. It is important to see real 
recipient To: address then.

>
> Why do you "really need" it?

Yes&No but it is the one thing i miss in features. Problems with searching  
mailman list archives can be solved by patching the sources, but this my wish 
has no applicable patch :(

Any tips how to change mailman code would be great.

											z.p.
>
> Zdenek Pizl wrote:
> > Hallo all,
> >
> >  is it possible to make mailman to show a header To: in its archive ? I
> > know it is strange wish, but realy i need it :(.





From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Fri May 31 08:57:04 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 08:57:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to handle single quote in subscriber email 
 address
References: <001d01c20850$beedda20$0200a8c0@SSLPphaedra>
Message-ID: <3CF71EC0.DF53FB10@folkwang-hochschule.de>

Cassandra Fleetwood wrote:
> 
> cron logs the following error message from qrunner when attempting to send
> the subscription confirmation message to a user that has a single in their
> address (i.e. "john.o'reilly at domain.com").
> 
> sh: -c: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `''
> sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file
> 
> How do I get Mailman to handle addresses that contain a single quote?

you don't. they are invalid. no funny characters are allowed in headers.
i learned the hard way, because my name contains an "?" :(
educate your users.

(btw, i have the same problem. one fraggle likes his account name
"double-quoted"@somewhere.com. the funny thing is, mailman allows those
folks to subscribe, but i can't throw them off again because the admin
interface chokes on them. does anyone know whether this is fixed in 2.1
?)

best,

j?rn




From WTLEWIS at cityu.edu.hk  Fri May 31 05:28:47 2002
From: WTLEWIS at cityu.edu.hk (Lewis Lau)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:28:47 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: blocking spam
In-Reply-To: <200205310900.OAA22085@toxeleia.cftri.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020531112714.00a9e4b0@mail.cityu.edu.hk>

Is that possible to do the same thing like this in Postfix?

Lewis

At 02:30 PM 5/31/02 +0530, Krishna Rao SN wrote:

> >How can I block all the e-mails coming from a certain domain? How can I 
> block a
>ll the e-mails
> >coming from lycos.co.kr or korea.com, for example?
>
>If you are using Linux and sendmail, the solution is
>
>1. edit /etc/mail/access
>    add the following line
>    lycos.co.kr  550 No spam allowed here
>    korea.com    550 No spam allowed here
>
>2. create access.db with the following command
>
>    makemap hash access.db < access
>
>2. restart sendmail
>
>--krishna
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py






From gour at mail.inet.hr  Fri May 31 11:58:27 2002
From: gour at mail.inet.hr (Gour)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:58:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot subscribe to the list
Message-ID: <200205310957.g4V9v9416030@inje.iskon.hr>

Subject: Cannot subscribe to the list

Hi!

I installed Mailman 2.0.11 with htdig patch on our server.

Check_perms is reporting no errors and I successfully created one test
list.

On this list subscribing, archives, searching .. everything works.

Afterwards I created several new lists, but after user send his
confirmation, the log/subscribe just shows pending request, although on
the admin there is no report of pending requests.

I've checked mail logs and everything is OK.

Also, logs/error is empty.

The only strange thing which I noted is that after I create some list,
the config.db file in e.g. lsits/test becomes owned by nobody:mailman.
(Apache is running as nobody).

On the test list whick works properly, config.db is mailman:mailman.

What is the reason that newly created lists are created as
nobody:mailman instead of mailman:mailman?

I believe it's the clue of the problem.

Sincerely,
Gour

ps. Cron is properly installed.









From chrisw at signalbhn.org  Fri May 31 16:50:41 2002
From: chrisw at signalbhn.org (Chris Wiegand)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 08:50:41 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: blocking spam
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020531112714.00a9e4b0@mail.cityu.edu.hk>
Message-ID: <000001c208b2$89c51270$0b0fa8c0@signalbhn.org>

Yeah, the way I do it is add to the main.cf:

header_checks=regexp:/etc/postfix/header_checks

And then my file looks like this:

/^From:.*best20deals\.com/ REJECT Spam detected - this domain is blocked.
/^From:.*internetcheapskate\.com/ REJECT Spam detected - this domain is
blocked.
/^From:.*fabulousrewards\.com/ REJECT Spam detected - this domain is
blocked.

The \ makes the period stay a period. It's PCRE, in case you're familiar
with that.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lewis Lau [mailto:WTLEWIS at cityu.edu.hk]
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 21:29
To: Krishna Rao SN; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: blocking spam



Is that possible to do the same thing like this in Postfix?

Lewis

At 02:30 PM 5/31/02 +0530, Krishna Rao SN wrote:

> >How can I block all the e-mails coming from a certain domain? How can I
> block a
>ll the e-mails
> >coming from lycos.co.kr or korea.com, for example?
>
>If you are using Linux and sendmail, the solution is
>
>1. edit /etc/mail/access
>    add the following line
>    lycos.co.kr  550 No spam allowed here
>    korea.com    550 No spam allowed here
>
>2. create access.db with the following command
>
>    makemap hash access.db < access
>
>2. restart sendmail
>
>--krishna
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
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>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




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From albertmb2001 at yaravi.unsa.edu.pe  Fri May 31 18:44:44 2002
From: albertmb2001 at yaravi.unsa.edu.pe (Albert Medina Banda)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:44:44 -0500 (PET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: blocking spam
In-Reply-To: <000001c208b2$89c51270$0b0fa8c0@signalbhn.org>
Message-ID: 

Hello, how can i do this with qmail??
thanks,


> Yeah, the way I do it is add to the main.cf:
> 
> header_checks=regexp:/etc/postfix/header_checks
> 
> And then my file looks like this:
> 
> /^From:.*best20deals\.com/ REJECT Spam detected - this domain is blocked.
> /^From:.*internetcheapskate\.com/ REJECT Spam detected - this domain is
> blocked.
> /^From:.*fabulousrewards\.com/ REJECT Spam detected - this domain is
> blocked.
> 
> The \ makes the period stay a period. It's PCRE, in case you're familiar
> with that.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lewis Lau [mailto:WTLEWIS at cityu.edu.hk]
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 21:29
> To: Krishna Rao SN; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: blocking spam
> 
> 
> 
> Is that possible to do the same thing like this in Postfix?
> 
> Lewis
> 
> At 02:30 PM 5/31/02 +0530, Krishna Rao SN wrote:
> 
> > >How can I block all the e-mails coming from a certain domain? How can I
> > block a
> >ll the e-mails
> > >coming from lycos.co.kr or korea.com, for example?
> >
> >If you are using Linux and sendmail, the solution is
> >
> >1. edit /etc/mail/access
> >    add the following line
> >    lycos.co.kr  550 No spam allowed here
> >    korea.com    550 No spam allowed here
> >
> >2. create access.db with the following command
> >
> >    makemap hash access.db < access
> >
> >2. restart sendmail
> >
> >--krishna


 





From courtney at 4th.com  Fri May 31 20:48:59 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:48:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New to Mailman -- Dropped messages to list owner's own email -- SOLVED!
In-Reply-To: <200205301231.48072.courtney@4th.com>
References: <200205292142.13712.courtney@4th.com> <20020530082437.6bc406da.raquel@thericehouse.net> <200205301231.48072.courtney@4th.com>
Message-ID: <200205311448.59338.courtney@4th.com>

Greetings, list members!

You may have heard my shout of triumph right over the Internet. I woke up
this morning with the answer to this problem in my head. It is, as with most
such things, a really simple problem and the answer was staring me in the face
the whole time.

To recap the problem: My lists were all working perfectly, except that *I* was
not receiving posts. The mail to the lists was being filtered from my own
login account using procmail.

My procmail filters were built on the assumption that mail from my personal
address, (e.g., "me at mydomain.com") to one of my lists ("mylist at mydomain.com")
would reach Mailman and would emerge as mail from "me at mydomain.com" to
"me at mydomain.com". I was forgetting that the "To:" header DOESN'T CHANGE when
Mailman forwards the message. Only the *envelope* address changes, to allow the
output of Mailman to be accurately delivered to me.

As an email admin for several years, I *knew* that. I have no idea what caused
me to go blind to this simple fact as I configured procmail.  Not enough
coffee, I guess.

Anyway, for the record and for the benefit of anyone reading this thread in the
archives, the root of the problem was that messages sent out by Mailman to me
were going back into Mailman as a result of the "To:" header still pointing to
the list. Mailman was finding the "X-BeenThere:" header and (correctly) sending
the message to /dev/null, so to speak.

Solution:

At the beginning of ~/.procmailrc, add the following lines:

:0:
* ^X-BeenThere:.*$
$DEFAULT

That's it! Adding these three lines made everything work perfectly. The only
catch is that this rule has to be at the very top of the .procmailrc file,
prior to any Mailman-related rules.

Thanks to all, especially Raquel, for the replies to my question on-list. You
folks got me asking the basic questions again, and I thereby found the obvious
problem hidden inside its mask of subtle symptoms. :-)

Kind regards,

Scott 

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://www.4th.com/    | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)





From hostmaster at shults.org  Fri May 31 22:56:22 2002
From: hostmaster at shults.org (hostmaster)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:56:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] remove email address from Mailman-Footer?
Message-ID: <000001c208e5$a2317b40$0432e7d8@artemis>

Hi,

I've searched high and low and have either missed the answer to this
during my search or it's very well hidden.

How to I remove, hide or munge the list-owner's address from the
Mailman-Footer to protect it from being scooped up by spambots?

I'm speaking particularly of this phrase at the bottom of the listinfo
page for a list:

"ListName list run by listowner at domain.dom
ListName administrative interface (requires authorization)"

tia,
~steven





From courtney at 4th.com  Fri May 31 23:27:16 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 17:27:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing very large list archives from mbox format to Mailman
Message-ID: <200205311727.16100.courtney@4th.com>

Good evening!

Sorry to bother you again.

I have successfully downloaded all my archives from YahooGroups using the
excellent yahoo2mbox.pl utility mentioned previously.

When I try to run bin/arch   to import them, only about
80 messages will go into the archives. I tried using the --start and
--end parameters, as shown:

    bin/arch --start=81 --end=160  

but the arch utility won't accept that syntax. It *will* accept the following:

    bin/arch -s 81 -e 160  

but unfortunately it doesn't *do* anything at all in this case. No errors;
just says it's pickling the archive and then exits cleanly.

What am I doing wrong? And, assuming I get this working, how do I keep the
automated archiver runs from undoing my work later?

Thanks in advance, and I'm sorry to be a pest. I am learning, however, and
hopefully soon I can start helping others, at least with the basic stuff.

Kind regards,
Scott

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://www.4th.com/    | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)





From greybeard at pobox.com  Fri May 31 23:44:21 2002
From: greybeard at pobox.com (William Waggoner)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 17:44:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to handle single quote in subscriber email  address
References: <001d01c20850$beedda20$0200a8c0@SSLPphaedra> <3CF71EC0.DF53FB10@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Message-ID: <000c01c208ec$5634cc40$0401a8c0@greybeard.org>

I hate to disagree but ...

RFC-0822 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc822.html) allows the local-part to
contain single quotes.

It also specifically allows, as a specified syntax, quoted strings as the
local part.

The characters that are not allowed outside of quoted strings are:

specials    =  "(" / ")" / "<" / ">" / "@"  ; Must be in quoted-
                 /  "," / ";" / ":" / "\" / <">  ;  string, to use
                 /  "." / "[" / "]"              ;  within a word.

SPACE, and CTL characters.

Note that the period is used as a word separator, it IS allowed but is
considered a separator, not part of the word.

It is Mailman that is broken.

----
Bill W

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joern Nettingsmeier" 
To: "Cassandra Fleetwood" ;

Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to handle single quote in subscriber email
address


Cassandra Fleetwood wrote:
>
> cron logs the following error message from qrunner when attempting to send
> the subscription confirmation message to a user that has a single in their
> address (i.e. "john.o'reilly at domain.com").
>
> sh: -c: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `''
> sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file
>
> How do I get Mailman to handle addresses that contain a single quote?

you don't. they are invalid. no funny characters are allowed in headers.
i learned the hard way, because my name contains an "?" :(
educate your users.

(btw, i have the same problem. one fraggle likes his account name
"double-quoted"@somewhere.com. the funny thing is, mailman allows those
folks to subscribe, but i can't throw them off again because the admin
interface chokes on them. does anyone know whether this is fixed in 2.1
?)

best,

j?rn


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From kremels at kreme.com  Fri May 31 23:57:48 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 15:57:48 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] remove email address from Mailman-Footer?
In-Reply-To: <000001c208e5$a2317b40$0432e7d8@artemis>
References: <000001c208e5$a2317b40$0432e7d8@artemis>
Message-ID: <11410.216.160.165.242.1022882268.squirrel@webmail.syth.serveftp.net>


> Hi,
>
> I've searched high and low and have either missed the answer to this
> during my search or it's very well hidden.
>
> How to I remove, hide or munge the list-owner's address from the
> Mailman-Footer to protect it from being scooped up by spambots?

Not really.  It's the footer field on the Regular Members settings page
for the list admin.  (and the digest one as well).

-- 
You are responsible for your rose.
"Rule 5: Get Kirsten Dunst wet" (p 74 of Time 20-05-02)






From albertmb2001 at unsa.edu.pe  Fri May 31 00:34:46 2002
From: albertmb2001 at unsa.edu.pe (Albert Medina B.)
Date: 30 May 2002 22:34:46 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] control local file error, help
Message-ID: <20020530223446.14585.qmail@yaravi.unsa.edu.pe>

hello

I have Rh 7.2,, qmail-1.0.3 mailman-2.0.11 with Maildir
as box
qmail is ok,

i just have installed mailman, the web interfaz:
localhost/mailman/admin is ok, I can add, delete users,
and they can receive the \\\"Welcome\\\" message sended by
mailman, but they can\\\'t receive the mesages posted to
the list, i receive the Failure Notice:

\\\"Sorry. Although I\\\'m listed as a best-preference MX or
A
for that host, it isn\\\'t in my control/locals file, so I
don\\\'t treat it as local. (#5.4.6)\\\"

excuseme by I don\\\'t understand this error,
and the qmail\\\'s log show: \\\"

\\\"deferral:Temporary_error_on_maildir_delivery\\\"

and : #ls /home/mailman/archives/public

lrwxrwxrwx root mailman test
                        ->~mailman/archives/private/test
lrwxrwxrwx root mailman test.mbox
                   ->~mailman/archives/private/test.mbox

but the directory ~mailman/archives/private/test
doesn\\\'t
exist


is it  ok? I use Maildir,


thanks in advance,

Albert Medina Banda
 Arequipa - Peru
 www.unsa.edu.pe







From steven at shults.org  Fri May 31 00:40:57 2002
From: steven at shults.org (Steven)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 15:40:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html messages in archives?
Message-ID: <001501c2082b$1381ba00$0432e7d8@artemis>

hiya,

is it possible for messages which were sent in html and/or mime to be
displayed in the archives as they were displayed to recipients?  default
settings seem to display the code as PRE test rather than HTML or MIME.

any docs to point me to that I'm missing which touch on this subject?
any hacks available if no settings to do it with?

thanks,
~Steven





From scott-brown at rogers.com  Fri May 31 04:50:08 2002
From: scott-brown at rogers.com (Scott Brown)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 22:50:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] minimum python level for mailman 2.1
Message-ID: <010901c2084d$e0bf4290$0401a8c0@p3vaio>

Ok - I've been trying for a week to get my python upgraded in preparation
for mm2.1

And its just not wanting to compile everything.

I keep getting messages like:

	WARNING: removing "struct" since importing it failed

when compiling Python 2.2.1

and nothing I can play with is fixing things.

So - Whats the bare minimum level of python needed to support mm2.1?

I have 1.6 running.  I think I had compiled 2.0.x maybe even a 2.1.x at one
point

But 2.2.x seems to be unachievable.






