From scba at beeze.com  Fri Mar  1 01:28:52 2002
From: scba at beeze.com (Sarah K. Miller)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:28:52 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending Subscriptions
References: <018b01c1bff9$627792d0$7941a8c0@home.beeze.com> <0bd2c4307031c22FE5@mail5.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <00dd01c1c0b8$117c9fa0$7941a8c0@home.beeze.com>

No, when you dump the pending subscriptions db, you get stuff formatted
thusly:

149153: ('somebody at somewhere.com', 'somepassword', 0, 1014675087),
154200: ('somebodyelse at somewhere.com', 'password', 0, 1014491600)

Unless one of those number sets represents the actual list, there is nothing
there to tell me where to look.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
To: "Sarah K. Miller" <scba at beeze.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Pending Subscriptions


> Is there no header information stored with the requests?  The header
should
> contain the TO: which indicates the requested list.
>
>  --- Original Message: Wednesday 27 February 2002 08:43 pm ---
> > I used dumpdb on pending_subscriptions.db and found a whole list of
> > subscriptions in there waiting to be processed. However, I don't know
what
> > lists they're for. Is there any way to find out? I tried looking at the
> > individual requests.db for each list, but they are all empty. We have
over
> > 80 lists on our system and I don't relish the idea of having to go to
the
> > web interface for each one to check for pending subscriptions!
> >
> > -- Sarah
> > Plus ?a change, plus c'est la m?me chose
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From molly11 at cstone.net  Fri Mar  1 01:56:41 2002
From: molly11 at cstone.net (Molly Cliborne)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:56:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Broken subscribe form
Message-ID: <B8A43BF9.1072E%molly11@cstone.net>

Hello out there!

I'm a new user of Mailman, trying to get the system up and running for a
friend.

I changed some of the wording, and experimented with changing the order of
options on the List Info Page (placing Unsubscribe option before Subscribe).
Well, that'll teach me to mess with code. Now my form doesn't work.  The
Submit button does nothing in IE, and the form blanks don't show up in
Netscape. 

I've switched the order back around, but my form still doesn't work.  The
form is located here:
http://avalonrichmond.com/mailman/listinfo/events_avalonrichmond.com
I would appreciate any advice you can offer as to how to fix this form.

Best wishes,
Molly

--
Molly Cliborne
http://www.north-node.com

"Not everything that can be counted counts,
and not everything that counts can be counted."
Albert Einstein






From kirez at cornell.edu  Fri Mar  1 01:20:43 2002
From: kirez at cornell.edu (Kirez Korgan)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:20:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why did the archive quit updating? (stylesheets)
References: <02fb01c1c082$c45dfd20$6401a8c0@asics>
Message-ID: <039201c1c0b6$edc6e3a0$6401a8c0@asics>

The archive quit updating because I was implementing style-sheets through
HyperArch.py and I left behind a stray '.' in the code.

So this question was more about inept emacsing rather than a Mailman
technical problem.

But I'd be happy to hear about --- or to see the work of --- others who have
implemented style-sheets in Mailman. While my archives are looking better,
the messages themselves are still kludgy looking.

Kirez
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirez Korgan" <kirez at cornell.edu>
To: <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:07 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why did the archive quit updating?


> Messages are going out by email, but the web archive has not shown any new
> messages for several hours.
>
> What is the likely cause? What can I do to fix it?  I'm running v.2.0.8 on
a
> Linux box with Apache.
>
> Kirez
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From freymann at scaryg.shacknet.nu  Fri Mar  1 02:52:10 2002
From: freymann at scaryg.shacknet.nu (ScaryG)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:52:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New install Mailman 2.0 - odd python errors in cron jobs
In-Reply-To: <1014940063.9095.8.camel@crab>
References: <20020228103843.4f4e1dc8.freymann@scaryg.shacknet.nu>
	<200202281542.JAA12450@goldenrod.propagation.net>
	<20020228110719.27bcdbdb.freymann@scaryg.shacknet.nu>
	<1014940063.9095.8.camel@crab>
Message-ID: <20020228205210.1c00cdd8.freymann@scaryg.shacknet.nu>

On 28 Feb 2002 18:47:42 -0500
Chris Hedemark <chris at yonderway.com> wrote:

> That is an old version.  Try 2.0.8 as there have been a great many
> bugfixes.

 I upgraded from mailman 2.0 to 2.0.8 and all those error messages in the
cron jobs have disappeared! Super!

 Easy upgrade as well. 

 From a previous Majordomo admin, Mailman rocks! Keep up the great work.

gf



From kirez at cornell.edu  Fri Mar  1 04:33:55 2002
From: kirez at cornell.edu (Kirez Korgan)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:33:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How the archives get indexed
Message-ID: <04d001c1c0d1$eaa208b0$6401a8c0@asics>

folks,
    I still haven't found a solution to getting my archives into
reverse-chronological order. I emailed Mailman-Developers on this, and
nobody responded, maybe I shouldn't have posted there. I've been searching
through the archives of Users and haven't found anything yet. There
certainly is nothing in the documentation. There's nothing in config_list.

    Does anybody know where, in the code, the chronology or indexing of the
archives is set? That might give me something to tweak.

    Again, I need for the most recent messages to appear on the top of the
page, not the bottom. I used to use MHonArc, and this was a variable one
could set: either chronological order, or reverse-chronological.  As I
opined before, chronological order is patently stupid. Jon Carnes says his
are, by default, in reverse chrono. Well, mine --- also 2.0.8. -- are by
default in chrono. That means there's a toggle switch somewhere. Can anybody
make an educated guess, where?

cheers,
Kirez






From rogerhc at pacbell.net  Fri Mar  1 06:08:04 2002
From: rogerhc at pacbell.net (Roger Chrisman)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:08:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Forum Frontend to Mailinglist
In-Reply-To: <013601c1bf21$0436a2c0$63a82243@webchecker>
References: <20020225174759.GA715@thomas-guettler.de>
 <3C7ABA50.E786EE3B@pcraft.com> <044701c1be89$9b5c50c0$59ac5241@webchecker>
 <p0510141cb8a1bf323d36@[199.106.12.16]>
 <013601c1bf21$0436a2c0$63a82243@webchecker>
Message-ID: <p05101403b8a4ba9e3ddd@[64.173.10.35]>

Hi all,

Like Damon Linkous, I too came to the Mailman doorsteps looking for 
an alternative to Yahoogroups for my current community of three email 
lists.

Does anyone know of an open source package _Web forum/email list 
combination_ out there that I could look into hosting on a virtual 
Web host space?

Any leads at all appreciated.

Thanks,

Roger Chrisman
teflchina.com



From lac at strakt.com  Fri Mar  1 12:01:15 2002
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:01:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature I would like to see ....
Message-ID: <200203011101.g21B1FiS032660@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

It's the first of the month.  I am drowning in reminders of my
password in all the mailing lists I am in.  If I ever want to
find out my passowrd, I can just click the button on its page,
so I would really like a way to specify -- DO NOT REMIND ME 
EVERY MONTH ABOUT THE PASSWORD.  That shouldn't be hard to add.

Thanks very much,
Laura Creighton
-was this the correct place to send this?-



From jorgelr at stud.ntnu.no  Fri Mar  1 12:08:36 2002
From: jorgelr at stud.ntnu.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jorg_E_=2E_R=F8dsj=F8?=)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:08:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] recipient
Message-ID: <20020301120836.A10628@stud.ntnu.no>

Hello

I have just installed postfix and mailman. Sending mail works fine, but
when a member tries to send a mail to a list he is a member of, it only
results in :


This is the Postfix program at host [snip]

I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.

For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.

The Postfix program

<bob-list@[snip]>: unknown user: "bob-list"
--------

The list is there. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

-jorg

-- 
Jorg E. R?dsj?				"War never determines who is right,
					 only who is left."




From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk  Fri Mar  1 12:12:48 2002
From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 01 Mar 2002 11:12:48 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature I would like to see ....
In-Reply-To: <200203011101.g21B1FiS032660@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <200203011101.g21B1FiS032660@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <1014981171.17424.26.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 11:01, Laura Creighton wrote:
> It's the first of the month.  I am drowning in reminders of my
> password in all the mailing lists I am in.  If I ever want to
> find out my passowrd, I can just click the button on its page,
> so I would really like a way to specify -- DO NOT REMIND ME 
> EVERY MONTH ABOUT THE PASSWORD.  That shouldn't be hard to add.

This is going into 2.1.
However its not the password people normally need to know, its the
address they are subscribed under - the number of people who can't
determine the address which they used to subscribe to a list amazes me. 
The monthly reminders do at least give you the right address (with or
without password) to use the send password button for.

	Nigel.
-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham           Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]
[ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ]




From lac at strakt.com  Fri Mar  1 12:16:25 2002
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 12:16:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature I would like to see .... 
In-Reply-To: Message from Nigel Metheringham <Nigel.Metheringham@dev.intechnology.co.uk> 
   of "01 Mar 2002 11:12:48 GMT." <1014981171.17424.26.camel@gaspode.localnet> 
References: <200203011101.g21B1FiS032660@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>  <1014981171.17424.26.camel@gaspode.localnet> 
Message-ID: <200203011116.g21BGPtB000385@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

Thanks very much.
Laura Creighton



From jorgelr at stud.ntnu.no  Fri Mar  1 12:31:33 2002
From: jorgelr at stud.ntnu.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jorg_E_=2E_R=F8dsj=F8?=)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:31:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] recipient
Message-ID: <20020301123133.B10628@stud.ntnu.no>

Nevermind. Damnit. Didn't read the faq closely enough it seems. 

Sorry.

-jorg
-- 
Jorg E. R?dsj?	



From mstar at speakeasy.net  Fri Mar  1 14:31:35 2002
From: mstar at speakeasy.net (Matt Staroscik)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 05:31:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] The dreaded GID mismatch problem
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020301051703.03915120@mail.speakeasy.net>

I have been trolling the net and recompiling for hours but I have made 
little headway. Here's hoping someone has a tip that hasn't been archived 
somewhere online yet...

I'm getting the classic "Child process of list_transport transport returned 
2" error. My setup is FreeBSD 4.5, exim 3.34, mailman 2.0.8. It's a fresh 
install, though I brought some config files over from the previous build -- 
including an exim config file that played nice with mailman 2 on the old 
system!

If there is a GID mismatch, I get the regular error message above. If I 
configure things so that there is no mismatch, I get no error in maillog, 
exim's log shows a message making it into the transport system... and 
nothing else happens. The message vanishes.

I have read the docs, including the page at exim.org on how to set up the 
exim config file (and mine is still looking good), but I cannot get 
satisfaction. I have been through this once before, but I solved the 
problem quickly at the time. Something doesn't feel right now... Any ideas 
would be appreciated. I like mailman, but if I can't get it to work with 
exim I will have to find a substitute. (any ideas if it comes to that?)

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Matt Staroscik * KF6IYW * mstar at speakeasy.net * http://wrongcrowd.com
"You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you."
                                                         -- Leon Trotsky




From the.dude at softhome.net  Fri Mar  1 15:07:15 2002
From: the.dude at softhome.net (Gregory Bouckhuyt)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 15:07:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approval
Message-ID: <3C7F8B13.1010002@softhome.net>

Hi ...

I'm using mailman 2.0.8 and it's working fine except for one little 
detail but annoying. In the general options of my 2 lists, I choosed 
"No" for the "(Administrivia filter) Check postings and intercept ones 
that seem to be administrative requests?". But when I send a mail from a 
subscriber's address to a list, mailman sends a mail to the list owner 
asking him his approval. Obviously, mailman then waits my approval :)....
Isn't "(Administrivia filter) Check postings and intercept ones that 
seem to be administrative requests?" the right option to change for this 
feature, where can I set up this?

Thnx




From chris at yonderway.com  Fri Mar  1 18:07:01 2002
From: chris at yonderway.com (Chris Hedemark)
Date: 01 Mar 2002 12:07:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No such user...
In-Reply-To: <004d01c1bf38$7265ea00$1600a8c0@WILLSPC.LOCAL>
References: <004d01c1bf38$7265ea00$1600a8c0@WILLSPC.LOCAL>
Message-ID: <1015002425.13615.50.camel@crab>

On Tue, 2002-02-26 at 21:42, Will Nordmeyer wrote:
> Got mailman 2.0.6 installed
> Sendmail 8.9.3
> Apache 1.3.6

You're probably going to want to upgrade all of these.  Mailman 2.0.8 is
the latest, and fixes some known security issues so you'll definitely
want to upgrade.

I noticed you're running on a Cobalt RAQ.  This is one of the major
problems I've found with that platform.  They don't provide up-to-date
packages for the major software on that system.

I've done a couple of RAQ implementations of Mailman and it isn't fun. 
You spend most of your time getting everything else up to date and even
then Mailman itself takes more time than usual.  Stick with it, it is
possible.  If you get really stuck you can contact me privately and I
can do this for you as a professional service.

> Did a restart of sendmail

Not necessary, but okay.

> When I e-mail to testlist-admin at mydomain.com
>  
> The following entry goes into in my maillog
> Feb 26 21:30:03 raq sendmail[8780]: VAA08780:
> <testlist-admin at willspc.net>... No such user here
>  
> What didn't I do?  What am I missing?  HELP!!! :-D

You created a list called "templist" and emailed the owner of
"testlist".  ;-)

> And on a side note, is there a browser interface for creating a new list
> somewhere?  I REALLY would rather not do it manually for each client.
> :-)

Not yet.




From abwatson at mail.arc.nasa.gov  Fri Mar  1 18:36:11 2002
From: abwatson at mail.arc.nasa.gov (Andrew Watson)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:36:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reminder to moderator?
Message-ID: <p05100303b8a56af4adb9@[165.247.44.100]>

Today, as expected, my list sent out reminders to subscriber 
regarding features and options.
But even though the message already went to the list, a reminder was 
also sent to the moderator for approval. Why is that, and is there 
any harm in just discarding it?


-Andrew



From will at willspc.net  Fri Mar  1 20:01:00 2002
From: will at willspc.net (Will Nordmeyer)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:01:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade from 2.0.6 to 2.0.8 and get errors
Message-ID: <01a701c1c153$6da041b0$6701d50a@mackerel>

I just upgraded 2.0.6 to 2.0.8 and got the following...

I go to the mailman/listinfo page and get this error:

Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Error log dump is as follows:
Mar 01 12:35:01 2002 admin(32303):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(32303): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.8 -----]
admin(32303): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(32303): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(32303):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 90, in run_main
admin(32303):     pkg = __import__('Mailman.Cgi', globals(), locals(),
[scriptname])
admin(32303):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 27, in ?
admin(32303):     from Mailman import Utils
admin(32303): ValueError: bad marshal data
admin(32303): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(32303): sys.version    = 2.2 (#2, Feb 26 2002, 20:39:01)
[GCC egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-1.1.2 release)]
admin(32303): sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python
admin(32303): sys.prefix     = /usr/local
admin(32303): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local
admin(32303): sys.path       = /usr/local
admin(32303): sys.platform   = linux2
admin(32303): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(32303):   HTTP_COOKIE: cookie_ncaa=b8d5f69ba6eee028b01f095de9d62475
admin(32303):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) PHP/4.1.1 mod_perl/1.21
mod_ssl/2.2.8 OpenSSL/0.9.2b
admin(32303):   PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman
admin(32303):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
admin(32303):   SERVER_ADMIN: admin
admin(32303):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/listinfo
admin(32303):   SCRIPT_URI: http://raq.willspc.net/mailman/listinfo
admin(32303):   SERVER_SIGNATURE:
admin(32303):   REQUEST_METHOD: GET
admin(32303):   HTTP_HOST: raq.willspc.net
admin(32303):   SCRIPT_URL: /mailman/listinfo
admin(32303):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(32303):   QUERY_STRING:
admin(32303):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/listinfo
admin(32303):   HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
image/pjpeg
, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword,
application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, */*
admin(32303):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows
NT 4.0)
admin(32303):   HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive

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From anna at water.ca.gov  Fri Mar  1 20:17:39 2002
From: anna at water.ca.gov (Anna Fong)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 11:17:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] migrating Mailman
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020301111739.00a3fab0@storm>

I remember reading a post a while ago about migrating a Mailman list from
one server to another, but I can't find it through search.python.org
Anyone know how I can find it?

I want to migrate a list from one server running Mailman 1.1 to another
server running Mailman 2.08.  What's the best way to go about this with
minimal interruption in service?

TIA,
Anna

--------------------------------------------------------

Anna Q. Fong, Webmaster	
California Data Exchange Center	




From bga at bug-br.org.br  Fri Mar  1 22:13:57 2002
From: bga at bug-br.org.br (Bruno G. Albuquerque)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 16:13:57 EST (-0300)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to solve this?
Message-ID: <9743125305-BeMail@micro10>

I am having that problem where qrunner is unable to deliver emails and 
files start to ad up in the qfiles dir without a single email being 
delivered. I am using sendmail and it looks like the problem is what I 
get in the smtp log dir (from mailman):

Mar 01 16:11:05 2002 (81012) All recipients refused: host not found
Mar 01 16:11:05 2002 (81012) All recipients refused: host not found
Mar 01 16:11:05 2002 (81012) All recipients refused: host not found
Mar 01 16:11:05 2002 (81012) All recipients refused: host not found
Mar 01 16:11:05 2002 (81012) smtp for 116 recips, completed in 0.166 
seconds
Mar 01 16:11:06 2002 (81012) All recipients refused: host not found
Mar 01 16:11:06 2002 (81012) All recipients refused: host not found
Mar 01 16:11:06 2002 (81012) All recipients refused: host not found
Mar 01 16:11:06 2002 (81012) All recipients refused: host not found
Mar 01 16:11:06 2002 (81012) smtp for 40 recips, completed in 0.170 
seconds

So it looks sendmail is refusing the files and for some weird reason 
Mailman keeps trying to send them.

Stop using sendmail is not an option. Does anyone know a way to get it 
to work? Maybe changing some sendmail option...

Thanks.

-Bruno
 

--
Fortune Cookie Says:

Alexander Graham Bell is alive and well in New York, and still waiting
for a dial tone.




From MikeT at scitechsoft.com  Fri Mar  1 20:44:42 2002
From: MikeT at scitechsoft.com (MikeT at scitechsoft.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:44:42 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Random Mail List
Message-ID: <3C7F69AA.25829.D85F2@localhost>

I would like to be able to prove when a list begins and ends sending.  I tried 
subscribing aaa at mydomain.com and zzz at mydomain.com.  But the list does 
not seem to send in alpha order.  Looking at a generated file using 
~/mailman/bin/list_members does not show the list members in order of date of 
subscription or alpha.


How does mailman choose to send to the list, "Alpha, Date of subscription"?

What is a good way to know how many have been sent, or percentage done?


Thanks for any help.

Regards
MikeT



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Mar  1 20:58:06 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:58:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Random Mail List
In-Reply-To: <3C7F69AA.25829.D85F2@localhost>
References: <3C7F69AA.25829.D85F2@localhost>
Message-ID: <01dff4557190132FE4@mail4.nc.rr.com>

Interesting question.  I'm sure that Mailman does a sort based on the email 
addresses domainnames.  Mailman comes setup to deliver multiple members of 
the same domain with one mail attachment to that domain.  The only way it can 
do this is to sort by domain name before it begins to send.

You should be able to check your MTA logs to see when Mailman begins a send.  
As to when it ends, that depends on the remote email servers of each 
individual email user on the list.  Your MTA logs will also tell you who it 
has tried to email and the result of that attempt.

My MTA of choice is sendmail, and my logs are in /var/log/maillog

Jon Carnes

 --- Original Message: Friday 01 March 2002 02:44 pm ---
> I would like to be able to prove when a list begins and ends sending.  I
> tried subscribing aaa at mydomain.com and zzz at mydomain.com.  But the list does
> not seem to send in alpha order.  Looking at a generated file using
> ~/mailman/bin/list_members does not show the list members in order of date
> of subscription or alpha.
>
>
> How does mailman choose to send to the list, "Alpha, Date of subscription"?
>
> What is a good way to know how many have been sent, or percentage done?
>
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Regards
> MikeT
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu  Fri Mar  1 21:06:03 2002
From: wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu (Paul L. Schumacher)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:06:03 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My net is going down ... I need urgent help!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0203011402450.26286-100000@linux2.winona.msus.edu>

The University is shutting down our network for several days to upgrade.

I have a list for birdwatchers which is 24/7  ... and is very important to
the members.

If you are willing to host this list for a week or so I would appreciate
it.  The list is about 500 regular members and 150 digest members.

I have the addresses in files that I can send to you.


thanks so much in advance.

-- 
Paul L. Schumacher
Winona State University
Computer Science Department




From waller at osb1.wff.nasa.gov  Fri Mar  1 21:15:42 2002
From: waller at osb1.wff.nasa.gov (Alan L. Waller)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 15:15:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My net is going down ... I need urgent
  help!!!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0203011402450.26286-100000@linux2.winona.msu
 s.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20020301151510.00a96b38@osb.wff.nasa.gov>

Paul,

I'll host it for you.

Regards,

Al


At 02:06 PM 3/1/2002 -0600, Paul L. Schumacher wrote:
>The University is shutting down our network for several days to upgrade.
>
>I have a list for birdwatchers which is 24/7  ... and is very important to
>the members.
>
>If you are willing to host this list for a week or so I would appreciate
>it.  The list is about 500 regular members and 150 digest members.
>
>I have the addresses in files that I can send to you.
>
>
>thanks so much in advance.
>
>--
>Paul L. Schumacher
>Winona State University
>Computer Science Department
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users






From mhm at austin.ibm.com  Fri Mar  1 21:46:28 2002
From: mhm at austin.ibm.com (Michael H Moran)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:46:28 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to prevent....
Message-ID: <20020301144628.B9565@austin.ibm.com>

Running mailman 2.0.8 on RH 7.2 with sendmail.  I thought
the list was locked do to just the listowner being able
to approved held messages and no explict pass throughs.

Today someone replied to an approved message ( which uses the
list as the sender and explict reply-to of the list ) and
it went all the way to the list without being held.

Is this a bug or a feature?  Better yet,  how can I prevent 
it from happening again ?

Thanks.

Mike




From justin at iago.org  Fri Mar  1 22:36:17 2002
From: justin at iago.org (Justin Sheehy)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 16:36:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] exception in mailman 2.1a2
Message-ID: <x74rk055ta.fsf@ra.iago.org>

My mailman installation has worked fine for months.

Today I added a new list and a number of people were subscribed to
it.  I didn't change anything at all in the basic mailman config, just
in that list.

Now, the web interface throws an exception on the "membership list"
page every time it is accessed.  The exception is appended to this
message.  

Does anyone know what the problem is?

Thanks.

-Justin

 
Bug in Mailman version 2.1a2
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem,
please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with
a description of what happened.  Thanks!

Traceback:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 191, in main
    show_results(mlist, doc, category, category_suffix, cgidata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 452, in show_results
    form.AddItem(show_variables(mlist, category, cgidata, doc, form))
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 468, in show_variables
    return membership_options(mlist, cgidata, doc, form)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 701, in membership_options
    qs = cgi.parse_qs(os.environ['QUERY_STRING'])
  File "/usr/local/stow/Python-2.2/lib/python2.2/UserDict.py", line 14, in __getitem__
    def __getitem__(self, key): return self.data[key]
KeyError: QUERY_STRING
Python information:
Variable
Value
sys.version
2.2 (#1, Dec 28 2001, 09:54:53) 
[GCC 2.96 20000306 (experimental)]
sys.executable
/usr/local/bin/python
sys.prefix
/usr/local/bin/../stow/Python-2.2
sys.exec_prefix
/usr/local/bin/../stow/Python-2.2
sys.path
/usr/local/bin/../stow/Python-2.2
sys.platform
sunos5
Environment variables:
Variable
Value
HTTP_ACCEPT
text/html, image/png, image/jpeg, image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, */*
AUTH_TYPE
Basic
HTTP_USER_AGENT
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Linux) Opera 5.0  [en]
TZ
US/Eastern
HTTP_REFERER
http://www.iago.org/mailman/admin/in-the-wings/members/add
SERVER_NAME
ra
GATEWAY_INTERFACE
CGI/1.1
PYTHONPATH
/home/mailman
REMOTE_ADDR
65.202.32.10
SERVER_SOFTWARE
thttpd/2.21b 23apr2001
SCRIPT_NAME
/mailman/admin
CGI_PATTERN
mailman/**|mailman/*/*
REQUEST_METHOD
GET
HTTP_HOST
www.iago.org
PATH_TRANSLATED
/export/home/thttpd/data/in-the-wings/members/list
SERVER_PORT
80
SERVER_PROTOCOL
HTTP/1.1
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING
deflate, gzip, x-gzip, identity, *;q=0
HTTP_COOKIE
(valid cookie info)
PATH_INFO
/in-the-wings/members/list




From r_pant at hotmail.com  Fri Mar  1 00:28:00 2002
From: r_pant at hotmail.com (Rajesh Pant)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:28:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] posting privilege
Message-ID: <F85kURbhXNkzZSlk8ZX00017cd8@hotmail.com>

I would like to restrict posting to certain domains.


Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list without implicit 
approval requirement.
- Should be able to use wildcard entries and individual mail addresses.
- should be able to add *.yahoo.com, !(*.hotmail.com)
etc
- post filtering based on domain etc

- Currently it allows only e-mail ids.

any other ways to achieve the same results?

_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.




From molly at north-node.com  Fri Mar  1 01:53:58 2002
From: molly at north-node.com (Molly Cliborne)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:53:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Broken subscribe form
Message-ID: <B8A43B55.1072B%molly@north-node.com>

Hello out there!

I'm a new user of Mailman, trying to get the system up and running for a
friend.

I changed some of the wording, and experimented with changing the order of
options on the List Info Page (placing Unsubscribe option before Subscribe).
Well, that'll teach me to mess with code. Now my form doesn't work.  The
Submit button does nothing in IE, and the form blanks don't show up in
Netscape. 

I've switched the order back around, but my form still doesn't work.  The
form is located here:
http://avalonrichmond.com/mailman/listinfo/events_avalonrichmond.com
I would appreciate any advice you can offer as to how to fix this form.

Best wishes,
Molly

--
Molly Cliborne
http://www.north-node.com

"Not everything that can be counted counts,
and not everything that counts can be counted."
Albert Einstein






From andrew.clark at linusfrost.com  Fri Mar  1 05:06:30 2002
From: andrew.clark at linusfrost.com (Andrew Clark)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:06:30 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail to news gatewaying
Message-ID: <00c201c1c0d6$9af004c0$6901020a@SGEW66>

I'd like to gateway a news group from a server that requires authentication to connect.  Can I do this with mailman?

R,

AJFC.
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From ralfred at pobox.com  Fri Mar  1 17:45:02 2002
From: ralfred at pobox.com (Ralph Boersema)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:45:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Initial configuration
Message-ID: <0a5601c1c140$7e944b00$6501a8c0@chartertn.net>

Dear Folks,

We have just installed mailman and are as yet unfamiliar with it. We
have run into a problem with the configuration. I can't get email
aliases to work. We tried it out by creating a test group. The problem
is that when a user registers for the group, an email is sent to a
certain email address created by Mailman. This address forwards (or is
supposed to) to the administrator of the group. The problem is that the
email address aliases that should point to him are not being created
properly, and the email is returned to the sender each time.

Does anyone have a suggestion where to look for our problem?

Ralph




From ralfred at pobox.com  Fri Mar  1 18:20:39 2002
From: ralfred at pobox.com (Ralph Boersema)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:20:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Aliases
Message-ID: <0a6e01c1c145$7806cba0$6501a8c0@chartertn.net>

Dear Folks,

We have just installed mailman and are as yet unfamiliar with it. We
have run into a problem with the configuration. We can't get email
aliases to work. We tried it out by creating a test group. The problem
is that when a user registers for the group, an email is sent to a
certain email address created by Mailman. This address forwards (or is
supposed to) to the administrator of the group. The problem is that the
email address aliases that should point to him are not being created
properly, and the email is returned to the sender each time.

Does anyone have a suggestion where to look for our problem?

Ralph





From rob at koberg.com  Fri Mar  1 20:00:36 2002
From: rob at koberg.com (Robert Koberg)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:00:36 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/test2/config.db'
Message-ID: <00aa01c1c153$79bb9f30$8501a8c0@TILLER>

Everything else seems to working. I can use the web interface to affect the
new lists I add, but I can't send a message to the list.
I have searched through the archives from April 2024 - January 2002 :) While
I saw a few people with the same problem. There was never a real response
other than "oh, it was in the docs." I can't infd it can someone please
point it out or help with some advice?

I have run configure with the default mail-gid and set the option
for --with-cgi-gid to use my system.

I keep getting the mail from the Cron Daemon saying:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main
    process_lists(lock)
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 140, in process_lists
    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 892, in Load
    dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 869, in __load
    fp = open(dbfile)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/test2/config.db'

help,
-Rob




From maximumwoman at mindspring.com  Fri Mar  1 22:07:33 2002
From: maximumwoman at mindspring.com (Linda Hondroulis)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:7:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] downloading mailman lists
Message-ID: <41200235121733280@mindspring.com>

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Mar  1 23:16:18 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 15:16:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Aliases
References: <0a6e01c1c145$7806cba0$6501a8c0@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <3C7FFDB2.CBCA0E2B@pcraft.com>

Ralph Boersema wrote:

> We have just installed mailman and are as yet unfamiliar with it. We
> have run into a problem with the configuration. We can't get email
> aliases to work. We tried it out by creating a test group. The problem
> is that when a user registers for the group, an email is sent to a
> certain email address created by Mailman. This address forwards (or is
> supposed to) to the administrator of the group. The problem is that the
> email address aliases that should point to him are not being created
> properly, and the email is returned to the sender each time.

    Mailman doesn't add to your alias file by default.  At the end of the list
creation, it gives you a list of aliases that you shold be (manually) adding to
your MTA's alias file.




From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Mar  1 23:17:24 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 15:17:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] downloading mailman lists
References: <41200235121733280@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <3C7FFDF4.94D98BA1@pcraft.com>

Linda Hondroulis wrote:

> Hi,  I'm using mailman for an email list, and I'm changing from Hostway to
> another ISP.  I want to download the email addresses I have set up on my
> list, but I'm not sure how to do that.  Can you help?

    If you have acces to Mailman's ~/bin directory, run ./bin/list_members
<list>




From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Sat Mar  2 00:26:44 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:26:44 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/test2/config.db'
In-Reply-To: <00aa01c1c153$79bb9f30$8501a8c0@TILLER>
References: <00aa01c1c153$79bb9f30$8501a8c0@TILLER>
Message-ID: <20020301232644.GN15098@merlins.org>

On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 11:00:36AM -0800, Robert Koberg wrote:
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 869, in __load
>     fp = open(dbfile)
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/test2/config.db'

Doesn't ~mailman/bin/check_perms -f help?

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From paul at paulsfunhouse.com  Fri Mar  1 23:48:20 2002
From: paul at paulsfunhouse.com (Paul Croft)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 16:48:20 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] downloading mailman lists
In-Reply-To: <41200235121733280@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020301164615.01fa9480@mail.paulsfunhouse.com>

Linda

Send an email to:

[listname]-request at yourdomain.com subject line = who

Change [listname] to the name of your list and yourdomain.com to the name 
of your host...

This ONLY works if addresses are viewable by all...but you could change it 
temporarily and once you get the addresses back you could change it back to 
list admin only!

Paul

--
If we do not change our direction we are likely to end up where we are headed.

All my lists in one place...MY SITE!
http://lists.paulsfunhouse.com/





At 03:07 PM 01/03/02, Linda Hondroulis wrote:

>Hi,  I'm using mailman for an email list, and I'm changing from Hostway to 
>another ISP.  I want to download the email addresses I have set up on my 
>list, but I'm not sure how to do that.  Can you help?
>
>--- Linda Hondroulis
>--- <mailto:maximumwoman at mindspring.com>maximumwoman at mindspring.com
>--- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.







From mstar at speakeasy.net  Sat Mar  2 01:45:04 2002
From: mstar at speakeasy.net (Matt Staroscik)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 16:45:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Transport problem w/ Exim (Undefined error: 0 in config.db
 test)
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020301163451.03a659b8@mail.speakeasy.net>

I have narrowed my problem down to an issue with the list_director in my 
exim/mailman combo. There is one cyrptic error message that I cannot 
fathom, and it's got to be the key.

># sendmail -d 9 -bt test at wrongcrowd.com
>Exim version 3.34 debug level 9 uid=0 gid=0
>probably Berkeley DB version 1.8x (native mode)
>Caller is an admin user
>Caller is a trusted user
>originator: uid=0 gid=0 login=root name=Charlie Root
>sender address = root at wrongcrowd.com
>Address testing: uid=0 gid=0 euid=0 egid=0
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>Testing test at wrongcrowd.com
>wrongcrowd.com in local_domains? yes (matched wrongcrowd.com)
>wrongcrowd.com in percent_hack_domains? no (end of list)
>address test at wrongcrowd.com
>   local_part=test domain=wrongcrowd.com
>   domain is local
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>directing test at wrongcrowd.com
>list_owner_director director skipped: suffix mismatch
>owner_list_director director skipped: prefix mismatch
>list_admin_director director skipped: suffix mismatch
>list_request_director director skipped: suffix mismatch
>calling list_director director
>require_files = /usr/local/mailman/lists/test/config.db
>test existence of /usr/local/mailman/lists/test/config.db
>   required present, EACCES => unknown
>   Undefined error: 0

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Right there, "Undefined error: 0." I cannot find any wisdom on this 
particular fault... Any ideas? (mailman 2.0.8, exim 3.34, FreeBSd 4.5)

Here's the rest of the test:

>list_director director called for test at wrongcrowd.com
>queued for list_transport transport: local_part=test domain=wrongcrowd.com
>   errors_to=NULL
>   domain_data=NULL local_part_data=NULL
>list_director director succeeded for test
>test at wrongcrowd.com
>   deliver to test in domain wrongcrowd.com
>   director = list_director, transport = list_transport
>search_tidyup called

Thanks in advance for cluons.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Matt Staroscik * KF6IYW * mstar at speakeasy.net * http://wrongcrowd.com
"You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you."
                                                         -- Leon Trotsky




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Mar  2 06:02:05 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 00:02:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail to news gatewaying
In-Reply-To: <00c201c1c0d6$9af004c0$6901020a@SGEW66>
References: <00c201c1c0d6$9af004c0$6901020a@SGEW66>
Message-ID: <087571701050232FE7@mail7.nc.rr.com>

Yes.

Look in ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py and ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py for 
details on how to set the username/password.

 --- Original Message: Thursday 28 February 2002 11:06 pm ---
> I'd like to gateway a news group from a server that requires authentication
> to connect.  Can I do this with mailman?
>
> R,
>
> AJFC.



From b at eudaimonia.nu  Sun Mar  3 01:03:06 2002
From: b at eudaimonia.nu (b!)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 01:03:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up a read-only list (like the Mailman Annouce list)
Message-ID: <EBEAIILNEHHCJGDCCFFIAECHCBAA.b@eudaimonia.nu>

Hi!

Could someone please tell me how I can set-up a read-only announcement list
with Mailman? I haven't found any option in the admin interface. Of course
it could be that I'm just plain blind (and dumb). If this is the case, call
me blind (and dumb of course), but dont forget to tell me where this option
hides.

Thank you in advance,
Bernhard
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
web:  http://garnitchique.eudaimonia.nu
mail: b at eudaimonia.nu
tel:  0699/12030309
icq#: 109152897




From skip at pobox.com  Sun Mar  3 13:35:31 2002
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 06:35:31 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL disabling Reply All button - is this unique?
Message-ID: <15490.6291.235306.378664@12-248-41-177.client.attbi.com>

I got the following message from a user on a Mailman-managed list:

    >> I have a technical question.  On all the CEDU mailing list e-mail I
    >> get, the reply to all button is blanked out so I can only reply to
    >> the person sending the mail.  I've also been having some problems
    >> with AOL.  Is this related, or unique to this site?  I've got several
    >> other groups I send to, but no others have this particular problem.

I do not mess with the Reply-To header, so it refers to the poster, not the
list.  Any ideas why AOL might be disabling the Reply All button?  That is,
is it something AOL doesn't like about Mailman or is it something specific
to this user?

Thanks,

-- 
Skip Montanaro (skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/)



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Mar  3 15:36:22 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:36:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up a read-only list (like the Mailman Annouce list)
In-Reply-To: <EBEAIILNEHHCJGDCCFFIAECHCBAA.b@eudaimonia.nu>
References: <EBEAIILNEHHCJGDCCFFIAECHCBAA.b@eudaimonia.nu>
Message-ID: <075ec3135140332FE5@mail5.nc.rr.com>

Indeed it is in the web admin setup.  Under Privacy options you would set up 
the list so that all posts are moderated - then there is a section of folks 
who can post to the list without moderation.

Jon Carnes
 
--- Original Message: Saturday 02 March 2002 07:03 pm ---
> Hi!
>
> Could someone please tell me how I can set-up a read-only announcement list
> with Mailman? I haven't found any option in the admin interface. Of course
> it could be that I'm just plain blind (and dumb). If this is the case, call
> me blind (and dumb of course), but dont forget to tell me where this option
> hides.
>
> Thank you in advance,
> Bernhard
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> web:  http://garnitchique.eudaimonia.nu
> mail: b at eudaimonia.nu
> tel:  0699/12030309
> icq#: 109152897
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From rob at 94107.com  Sat Mar  2 00:29:52 2002
From: rob at 94107.com (Robert Koberg)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:29:52 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/test2/config.db'
References: <00aa01c1c153$79bb9f30$8501a8c0@TILLER> <20020301232644.GN15098@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <029401c1c179$09fe0310$8501a8c0@TILLER>

Hi,

Thanks for the reply. The problem(s) were due to my ignorance (of course).
The page that helped me the most was:

http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialMailman.html

best,
-Rob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc MERLIN" <marc_news at vasoftware.com>
To: "Robert Koberg" <rob at koberg.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/home/mailman/lists/test2/config.db'


> On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 11:00:36AM -0800, Robert Koberg wrote:
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 869, in __load
> >     fp = open(dbfile)
> > IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/home/mailman/lists/test2/config.db'
>
> Doesn't ~mailman/bin/check_perms -f help?
>
> Marc
> --
> Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
>                                       .... what McDonalds is to gourmet
cooking
>
> Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for
PGP key




From docsmiles at sbcglobal.net  Sat Mar  2 02:13:07 2002
From: docsmiles at sbcglobal.net (Steven A. Miles)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:13:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML in Mailman
Message-ID: <000801c1c187$696b25e0$37c78e95@samiles>

I have a small HTML formatted email that I would like to send to a list. I've already set up the list with Mailman and sent subscriptions. How do actually format and send the HTML message? I'm using RH7.1 with Postfix/Mailman/PostGreSQL already running uneventfully for 3 months. :-)
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From puttputt at iaccess.ws  Sat Mar  2 07:27:34 2002
From: puttputt at iaccess.ws (Robert Davidson)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 17:27:34 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug?  Mailman letting large messages through.
Message-ID: <3C8070D6.BD31F02C@iaccess.ws>

Hi everyone,

I run MailMan v2.0.8-3 (debians version) and the maximum message size is
set to 40 kb.

The damn thing just sent out 305 copies of a members post which had a
1.17Mb attachment!

Costed me ~$65.00 Australian.

I can not hack the code as I'm not familiar with python.

-- 
Regards,
Robert Davidson.
http://www.mlug.org.au/



From greg at countryhardware.com.au  Sat Mar  2 08:25:12 2002
From: greg at countryhardware.com.au (Greg Rees)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:25:12 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with Relay Spammers
Message-ID: <0203021846540C.01173@www>

Hi,

I have just been bombarded with those dreaded relay spammers.  My setup is
RedHat 6.1, Sendmail with Kmail front end, and Apache.

To get Mailman-2.0.8 working on my setup, I had to "enable relay control" in
Sendmail so that mailman would be able to send out messages to the list. Things
have been working as expected with messages sent to the list and messages
going out to the members of the list.

Today I had to go into Linuxconf and to the Sendmail part to "disable relay
control", by doing this, all messages sent to the list are killed off because
Sendmail thinks the messages are spam messages (which they really are) but not
those dreaded relay spam messages that some people take enjoyment to send
around.

I have read most of the documentation to find no mention of this occurance,
maybe I skipped over the part without knowing or maybe it is not mentioned
anywhere.

Does anyone know how I can get arround this problem with Sendmail or Mailman.

TIA

Greg
 
  



From raven at overhours.net  Sat Mar  2 11:10:38 2002
From: raven at overhours.net (Kirill Bolschakow)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:10:38 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] minor Mailman Web site and sf.net files inconsistency
Message-ID: <NDBBKGINPIBHOJOHFFMMEEMDJAAA.raven@overhours.net>

Hello Mailmen,

The latest stable release mentioned at
http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/MM21/index.html is 2.0.7,
but the one available is 2.0.8.

Regards,

 Kirill Bolschakow
 ISS Dept. @ SPb SUAI
 raven at overhours.net
 ---
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 "Ein Fried ist schaendlich arg, der neues Kriegen bringt."
 - Friedrich von Logau




From ashley at pcraft.com  Mon Mar  4 00:14:37 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 16:14:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with Relay Spammers
References: <0203021846540C.01173@www>
Message-ID: <3C82AE5D.26344607@pcraft.com>

Greg Rees wrote:

> To get Mailman-2.0.8 working on my setup, I had to "enable relay control" in
> Sendmail so that mailman would be able to send out messages to the list. Things
> have been working as expected with messages sent to the list and messages
> going out to the members of the list.

    Sendmail does _NOT_ need relay enabled for Mailman to work.  We'd have a big problem on our hands if that was the case.  Verify your setup again, specially permissions.

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Mar  4 00:39:18 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:39:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with Relay Spammers
In-Reply-To: <0203021846540C.01173@www>
References: <0203021846540C.01173@www>
Message-ID: <036792438230332FE8@mail8.nc.rr.com>

Linuxconf is not an ideal tool for manipulating Sendmail....  You should make 
sure that you are using an up-to-date version of sendmail and then you will 
need to setup your sendmail so that it knows all the "local" names that are 
used for you mailserver.  
After that, you can setup allowed relays via the file: /etc/mail/access.  If 
you have problems at that point put in your ip address and the key word 
ALLOW.  Of course Ashley is right, it should never come to that!

Jon Carnes
 --- Original Message: Saturday 02 March 2002 02:25 am ---
> Hi,
>
> I have just been bombarded with those dreaded relay spammers.  My setup is
> RedHat 6.1, Sendmail with Kmail front end, and Apache.
>
> To get Mailman-2.0.8 working on my setup, I had to "enable relay control"
> in Sendmail so that mailman would be able to send out messages to the list.
> Things have been working as expected with messages sent to the list and
> messages going out to the members of the list.
>
> Today I had to go into Linuxconf and to the Sendmail part to "disable relay
> control", by doing this, all messages sent to the list are killed off
> because Sendmail thinks the messages are spam messages (which they really
> are) but not those dreaded relay spam messages that some people take
> enjoyment to send around.
>
> I have read most of the documentation to find no mention of this occurance,
> maybe I skipped over the part without knowing or maybe it is not mentioned
> anywhere.
>
> Does anyone know how I can get arround this problem with Sendmail or
> Mailman.
>
> TIA
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Mon Mar  4 06:28:31 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 21:28:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug?  Mailman letting large messages through.
In-Reply-To: <3C8070D6.BD31F02C@iaccess.ws>
References: <3C8070D6.BD31F02C@iaccess.ws>
Message-ID: <20020304052831.GT8586@merlins.org>

On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 05:27:34PM +1100, Robert Davidson wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I run MailMan v2.0.8-3 (debians version) and the maximum message size is
> set to 40 kb.
 
Did you set that in the individual list or mm_cfg.py.
If it's the later, you have to set it in the list if it was created before
you edited mm_cfg.py
 
> The damn thing just sent out 305 copies of a members post which had a
> 1.17Mb attachment!

I'm guessing that it wasn't approved by someone else, but you can always
check in your logs (~mailman/logs/vette).
It would look like this:
vette:Jan 14 04:22:35 2002 (5763) Zark post from vincent.fillion at ldcom.fr held: Le corps du message est trop gros: 6594549 octets avec une limite de 5000 KB
(except yours would be in English ;-D)

> I can not hack the code as I'm not familiar with python.

Me neither, but I bought a python book as a result :-)

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Mon Mar  4 06:32:21 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 21:32:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] minor Mailman Web site and sf.net files inconsistency
In-Reply-To: <NDBBKGINPIBHOJOHFFMMEEMDJAAA.raven@overhours.net>
References: <NDBBKGINPIBHOJOHFFMMEEMDJAAA.raven@overhours.net>
Message-ID: <20020304053221.GU8586@merlins.org>

On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 01:10:38PM +0300, Kirill Bolschakow wrote:
> Hello Mailmen,
> 
> The latest stable release mentioned at
> http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/MM21/index.html is 2.0.7,
> but the one available is 2.0.8.

My understanding is that it's only a mirror the main pages are:
http://www.list.org/ or http://mailman.sourceforge.net/
and
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From dlark at elmresources.com  Mon Mar  4 20:58:05 2002
From: dlark at elmresources.com (Daniel Lark)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:58:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weird errors when message sent to a specific list
Message-ID: <055001c1c3b6$e8b0a740$0300000a@elmtestdom.elm>

I am getting weird errors from qrunner in the mailman logs and cron
shoots back an error as well:

>From the mailman logs:

Mar 04 11:11:01 2002 (11949) Delivery exception: [Errno 32] Broken pipe
Mar 04 11:11:01 2002 (11949) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in
do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py", line 86, in process
    fp.write(msgtext)
IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe

The message that cron is sending from the qrunner process:

Subject: Cron <mailman at newbox> /usr/bin/python -S
/var/mailman/cron/qrunner

sh: -c: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `''
sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file

This is happening to one private lists that is a compendium of other
lists (not the best setup, but management wants it this way).

Specs:
Python: Python 1.5.2 (#1, Jul  5 2001, 03:02:19)  [GCC 2.96 20000731
(Red Hat Linux 7.1 2 on linux-i386
Mailman: Version 2.0.8

Any ideas

-dan




From MikeT at scitechsoft.com  Mon Mar  4 22:31:04 2002
From: MikeT at scitechsoft.com (MikeT at scitechsoft.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:31:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DataBase Errors
Message-ID: <3C837718.7767.113154F@localhost>

While sending out a huge list, my server is locking up at different 
times.  Currently the list has been sending off and on for 3 1/2 days.  
I am thinking the following error message is causing the problem.  

~mailman/logs/error
Feb 28 20:50:26 2002 (4190) XXXX.XXX.win db file was corrupt, 
using fallback: /home/mailman/lists/announce.sdd.win/config.db.last

What if sendmail stops and I either re-started it or the entire server?
 to get away from this error or is there a repair utility?

Does Mailman keep sending from where it was stopped by this 
error?

How does this effect the list that is going out?

I would rather I did not re-send/re-start the post to the list.  Do I need 
to create a new list and migrate the addresses so the list will stop 
locking up.

Thanks for any help...

Regards
MikeT



From greg at countryhardware.com.au  Mon Mar  4 08:47:38 2002
From: greg at countryhardware.com.au (Greg Rees)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 18:47:38 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with Relay Spammers
In-Reply-To: <036792438230332FE8@mail8.nc.rr.com>
References: <0203021846540C.01173@www> <036792438230332FE8@mail8.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <0203041852300D.00871@www>

Thanks Jon and Ashley, I've made the changes you recommended and I'll test to
see if it will work.. I know it should never come to that, but there has never
been a problem until now.

Thanks again

Greg

On Mon, 04 Mar 2002, you wrote:
> Linuxconf is not an ideal tool for manipulating Sendmail....  You should make 
> sure that you are using an up-to-date version of sendmail and then you will 
> need to setup your sendmail so that it knows all the "local" names that are 
> used for you mailserver.  
> After that, you can setup allowed relays via the file: /etc/mail/access.  If 
> you have problems at that point put in your ip address and the key word 
> ALLOW.  Of course Ashley is right, it should never come to that!
> 
> Jon Carnes
>  --- Original Message: Saturday 02 March 2002 02:25 am ---
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have just been bombarded with those dreaded relay spammers.  My setup is
> > RedHat 6.1, Sendmail with Kmail front end, and Apache.
> >
> > To get Mailman-2.0.8 working on my setup, I had to "enable relay control"
> > in Sendmail so that mailman would be able to send out messages to the list.
> > Things have been working as expected with messages sent to the list and
> > messages going out to the members of the list.
> >
> > Today I had to go into Linuxconf and to the Sendmail part to "disable relay
> > control", by doing this, all messages sent to the list are killed off
> > because Sendmail thinks the messages are spam messages (which they really
> > are) but not those dreaded relay spam messages that some people take
> > enjoyment to send around.
> >
> > I have read most of the documentation to find no mention of this occurance,
> > maybe I skipped over the part without knowing or maybe it is not mentioned
> > anywhere.
> >
> > Does anyone know how I can get arround this problem with Sendmail or
> > Mailman.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From tom at krapu4.com  Mon Mar  4 15:37:49 2002
From: tom at krapu4.com (tom at krapu4.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:37:49 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] We have a extensive wish list and welcome anyone else who would like to contribute!
Message-ID: <000401c1c38a$2886f180$9865fea9@TomsEmachine>

Dear Mailman Developers,

My cofounder Malcolm and I really appreciate your software. A few
suggestions that I don't think I see in your updates.

1. For efficiency, the default page on administrative side should be
"Membership Management", this is where the "daily" work takes place.

2. There appears to be a limit to the size of a post that can be viewed if
the email list is being moderated. It cuts off posts at that point, making
moderation of a list impossible on long posts unless they are CCed: to the
list moderator (that is what we require).


Sincerely,


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Executive Coach
Licensed Psychologist
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or
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Is to be far astray, regardless of intelligence.
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Professor Cheng
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From aballest at aurora.edu  Mon Mar  4 16:23:44 2002
From: aballest at aurora.edu (Adriana Ballesteros)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:23:44 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrative screen error message
Message-ID: <01a401c1c390$992796a0$570a10ac@aurora.edu>

Hi:
    Some users get the following error message when they try to release a message waiting to be approved.  It is really odd, since it only happens if you use certain computers.  This also happens if I try to approve the message from home (dial-up).  My assumption is that the error is IP address related.
    This error message gets recorded in the logs (mail.aurora.edu:/usr/local/apache/logs/error_log) 

[Wed Jan 30 15:13:37 2002] [error] [client 172.16.250.10] Premature end of
script headers: /usr/users/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb

Any assistance on this matter will be appreciated.

Thank you in advance for your assistance.

Adriana Ballesteros


????????????????????????????????????????

Adriana Ballesteros
Systems/Database Administrator
Aurora University
347 South Gladstone Avenue
Aurora, IL 60505
630/844-4220
Fax: 630/844-7850

????????????????????????????????????????
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From eagledesign at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  5 08:58:33 2002
From: eagledesign at yahoo.com (Cheng Yew Chung)
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 23:58:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new to mailman
Message-ID: <3C847AA8.90349800@yahoo.com>

Hi,

I am tyring to set up mailman, but would like to send only to
subscribers of list about news and updates, but would not want to have
subscribers mail to list nad then have the mail directed as digest to
everyone.

How do I switch off interaction, and keep it as a mailing list from
admin to subscribers only, informing them of latest news etc?

cheng





From puttputt at iaccess.ws  Mon Mar  4 22:45:33 2002
From: puttputt at iaccess.ws (Robert Davidson)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 08:45:33 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug?  Mailman letting large messages through.
References: <3C8070D6.BD31F02C@iaccess.ws> <20020304052831.GT8586@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <3C83EAFD.ED117495@iaccess.ws>

> 
> I'm guessing that it wasn't approved by someone else, but you can always
> check in your logs (~mailman/logs/vette).
> It would look like this:
> vette:Jan 14 04:22:35 2002 (5763) Zark post from vincent.fillion at ldcom.fr held: Le corps du message est trop gros: 6594549 octets avec une limite de 5000 KB
> (except yours would be in English ;-D)
> 

I've looked at the logs, one of the other moderators had approved the
post.  Thanks.

Regards,
Robert Davidson.
http://www.mlug.org.au/



From tim.hunt at sci.monash.edu.au  Mon Mar  4 23:41:49 2002
From: tim.hunt at sci.monash.edu.au (Tim Hunt)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:41:49 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] config.db format?
Message-ID: <3C83F82D.4030806@sci.monash.edu.au>

I have been asked to 'automatically update' some mailing lists from an 
external database.  I can query this easily with Perl (sorry, never 
tried python), but can not seem to connect to the config.db files for 
the lists.

What is their format?  Are they Unix DB files, or a Mailman-specific 
format? If so, what is the data structure?  I've tried reading various 
bits of the python in the Mailman directories, but am no further ahead.

Thanks in advance for any help.
-- 
Tim Hunt, School of Mathematical Sciences, Monash University

Chaos reigns within. Reflect, repent and reboot. Order shall return.





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar  5 04:06:52 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:06:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] config.db format?
In-Reply-To: <3C83F82D.4030806@sci.monash.edu.au>
References: <3C83F82D.4030806@sci.monash.edu.au>
Message-ID: <0828b5505030532FE6@Mail6.nc.rr.com>

The format is called 'marshal' (I think...) and its a very simple Python 
database format.  

If you can dump out the email addresses from the database, then you can use 
any of the various ~mailman/bin/... command line tools for sycronizing the 
mailing list to the dump from the database.  You don't need to know any 
Python.

It's quite easy to do.  Take a look at the FAQ for the user list.  It has a 
few examples.  Let us know if you need more help.

Jon Carnes
 
 --- Original Message: Monday 04 March 2002 05:41 pm ---
> I have been asked to 'automatically update' some mailing lists from an
> external database.  I can query this easily with Perl (sorry, never
> tried python), but can not seem to connect to the config.db files for
> the lists.
>
> What is their format?  Are they Unix DB files, or a Mailman-specific
> format? If so, what is the data structure?  I've tried reading various
> bits of the python in the Mailman directories, but am no further ahead.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar  5 04:08:48 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:08:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrative screen error message
In-Reply-To: <01a401c1c390$992796a0$570a10ac@aurora.edu>
References: <01a401c1c390$992796a0$570a10ac@aurora.edu>
Message-ID: <0f4555007030532FE5@mail5.nc.rr.com>

I'll wager that it is browser specific.  Look at the browsers used on each 
machine - the good and the bad, and see if you find a pattern.

Jon Carnes

 --- Original Message: Monday 04 March 2002 10:23 am ---
> Hi:
>     Some users get the following error message when they try to release a
> message waiting to be approved.  It is really odd, since it only happens if
> you use certain computers.  This also happens if I try to approve the
> message from home (dial-up).  My assumption is that the error is IP address
> related. This error message gets recorded in the logs
> (mail.aurora.edu:/usr/local/apache/logs/error_log)
>
> [Wed Jan 30 15:13:37 2002] [error] [client 172.16.250.10] Premature end of
> script headers: /usr/users/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb
>
> Any assistance on this matter will be appreciated.
>
> Thank you in advance for your assistance.
>
> Adriana Ballesteros
>
>
> ????????????????????????????????????????
>
> Adriana Ballesteros
> Systems/Database Administrator
> Aurora University
> 347 South Gladstone Avenue
> Aurora, IL 60505
> 630/844-4220
> Fax: 630/844-7850
>
> ????????????????????????????????????????



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar  5 04:28:01 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:28:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] We have a extensive wish list and welcome anyone else who would like to contribute!
In-Reply-To: <000401c1c38a$2886f180$9865fea9@TomsEmachine>
References: <000401c1c38a$2886f180$9865fea9@TomsEmachine>
Message-ID: <0b2af0427030532FE6@Mail6.nc.rr.com>

 --- Original Message: Monday 04 March 2002 09:37 am ---
> Dear Mailman Developers,
>
> My cofounder Malcolm and I really appreciate your software. A few
> suggestions that I don't think I see in your updates.
>
> 1. For efficiency, the default page on administrative side should be
> "Membership Management", this is where the "daily" work takes place.

Move to this admin page and store it as a favorite.  When you click on it, 
you will be asked to authenticate as normal, but then it will open to the 
Membership Management.

If you want to modify the source code (quite easy to do actually) you can 
make it the default, but why bother when it is simply a link.

>
> 2. There appears to be a limit to the size of a post that can be viewed if
> the email list is being moderated. It cuts off posts at that point, making
> moderation of a list impossible on long posts unless they are CCed: to the
> list moderator (that is what we require).

Well stop doing that, and instead edit the file ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py  
(for details on what values to put in there, look at the Defaults.py file).  

The amount of lines copied over to the moderating database is determined by a 
line in that file, if you set the value to "-1" it will include the whole 
message for moderation.

Hope this helps,

Jon Carnes

This email message is highly super penultimately secret, if you recieve it 
you must print it out immediately then run really fast to the printer, cover 
it with your body - so that no one else can see the message - then promply 
swallow every page of output on the printer... 
Then you must dial 1-900-forgive and confess all your sins; please hold for 
the next available priest (or press 2 for a rabbi, 3 for a monk, and 4 for 
someone who sounds vaguely like your mother). 



From mihail.tsagidis at bay4you.de  Tue Mar  5 15:25:53 2002
From: mihail.tsagidis at bay4you.de (Mihail Tsagidis)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:25:53 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] password input
Message-ID: <LPBBILFDBGFEMPDNOIODGENMCIAA.mihail.tsagidis@bay4you.de>

Hello,

Is it possible for a user to subscribe to a mailman ver.2 list without
including a passwort into his webbased request?


TIA,
Mihail Tsagidis

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar  5 15:49:30 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:49:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] password input
In-Reply-To: <LPBBILFDBGFEMPDNOIODGENMCIAA.mihail.tsagidis@bay4you.de>
References: <LPBBILFDBGFEMPDNOIODGENMCIAA.mihail.tsagidis@bay4you.de>
Message-ID: <0f0883248140532FE6@Mail6.nc.rr.com>

This will be an option in the next version.  You will be able to setup lists 
that do not use passwords.  If you want that functionality now, then you'll 
have to apply one of the many patches that do it, or you'll have to modify 
the source yourself.

I don't know where to find any of the patches (and ironically I've written a 
few of them...), but if you search the archives or do a google search you 
will undoubtedly find one you like.

Jon Carnes

 --- Original Message: Tuesday 05 March 2002 09:25 am ---
> Hello,
>
> Is it possible for a user to subscribe to a mailman ver.2 list without
> including a passwort into his webbased request?
>
>
> TIA,
> Mihail Tsagidis



From mihail.tsagidis at bay4you.de  Tue Mar  5 15:57:07 2002
From: mihail.tsagidis at bay4you.de (Mihail Tsagidis)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:57:07 +0100
Subject: AW: [Mailman-Users] password input
In-Reply-To: <0f0883248140532FE6@Mail6.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBILFDBGFEMPDNOIODMENNCIAA.mihail.tsagidis@bay4you.de>

Hello,

I have had an idea, that this will be possible if you hide the passwort
request and pass ist through with hard-written code. The passwort will be
the same for all users, but at the other side, there will be no need to
insert a passwort, I think.

While i am not a html-guru i think that there is a little tag that hides an
input type and passes a value through. So far I have this code:
<INPUT type="Password" name="pw" size="15">

Mihail Tsagidis

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. M?rz 2002 15:50
An: Mihail Tsagidis; mailman-users at python.org
Betreff: Re: [Mailman-Users] password input


This will be an option in the next version.  You will be able to setup lists
that do not use passwords.  If you want that functionality now, then you'll
have to apply one of the many patches that do it, or you'll have to modify
the source yourself.

I don't know where to find any of the patches (and ironically I've written a
few of them...), but if you search the archives or do a google search you
will undoubtedly find one you like.

Jon Carnes

 --- Original Message: Tuesday 05 March 2002 09:25 am ---
> Hello,
>
> Is it possible for a user to subscribe to a mailman ver.2 list without
> including a passwort into his webbased request?
>
>
> TIA,
> Mihail Tsagidis




From hakon.brynildsen at framestore-cfc.com  Tue Mar  5 16:09:38 2002
From: hakon.brynildsen at framestore-cfc.com (Hakon Brynildsen)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 15:09:38 +0000
Subject: AW: [Mailman-Users] password input
References: <LPBBILFDBGFEMPDNOIODMENNCIAA.mihail.tsagidis@bay4you.de>
Message-ID: <3C84DFB2.4320790@framestore-cfc.com>

HTML guru to the rescue!

Although I haven't followed the thread of this discussion, you could
change the INPUT line to contain
<INPUT type="hidden" name="pw"
value="WHATEVER_YOU_WANT_THE_PASSWORD_TO_BE_FOR_ALL_USERS">

It will show up on "View source" though, but if you don't care about
that - then that's what you need.


Mihail Tsagidis wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have had an idea, that this will be possible if you hide the passwort
> request and pass ist through with hard-written code. The passwort will be
> the same for all users, but at the other side, there will be no need to
> insert a passwort, I think.
> 
> While i am not a html-guru i think that there is a little tag that hides an
> input type and passes a value through. So far I have this code:
> <INPUT type="Password" name="pw" size="15">
> 
> Mihail Tsagidis
> 
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. M?rz 2002 15:50
> An: Mihail Tsagidis; mailman-users at python.org
> Betreff: Re: [Mailman-Users] password input
> 
> This will be an option in the next version.  You will be able to setup lists
> that do not use passwords.  If you want that functionality now, then you'll
> have to apply one of the many patches that do it, or you'll have to modify
> the source yourself.
> 
> I don't know where to find any of the patches (and ironically I've written a
> few of them...), but if you search the archives or do a google search you
> will undoubtedly find one you like.
> 
> Jon Carnes
> 
>  --- Original Message: Tuesday 05 March 2002 09:25 am ---
> > Hello,
> >
> > Is it possible for a user to subscribe to a mailman ver.2 list without
> > including a passwort into his webbased request?
> >
> >
> > TIA,
> > Mihail Tsagidis
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
Regards

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IS - Framestore CFC



From MikeT at scitechsoft.com  Tue Mar  5 17:59:58 2002
From: MikeT at scitechsoft.com (MikeT at scitechsoft.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:59:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Database error
Message-ID: <3C84890E.14193.541771A@localhost>

I am receiving the following error:

~/mailman/logs/error
Feb 28 20:50:26 2002 (4190) XXXX.XXX.win db file was corrupt, 
using fallback: /home/mailman/lists/XXXX.XXX.win/config.db.last

When I run:
~/mailman/bin/check_db XXXX.XXX.win it states
/home/mailman/lists/XXXX.XXX.win/config.db is fine
/home/mailman/lists/XXXX.XXX.win/config.db.last is fine


Do I need to create a new List?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Regards
MikeT



From sgreverend at attbi.com  Tue Mar  5 19:04:48 2002
From: sgreverend at attbi.com (Sylvie Greverend)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:04:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Majordomo-style email based commands
Message-ID: <LPBBKAMOJABFNJEJCKHGOEDLCFAA.sgreverend@attbi.com>

I can't find the documentation about the email based commands.
Thank you for your help



From fmaquiaveli at uol.com.br  Tue Mar  5 19:24:34 2002
From: fmaquiaveli at uol.com.br (Fernando Maquiaveli)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:24:34 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need a litle help
Message-ID: <NEBBJOEKLKCMJKNPKNCFKEHLDJAA.fmaquiaveli@uol.com.br>

Hi

	Is it possible to use one list that I had been created as a default list,
and use it to create new lists, just copying this list to another?
	Thanks.
Fernando Maquiaveli
Ativa S/A Corretora de t?tulos e valores
Email: fmaquiaveli at ativactv.com.br
Fone: 55 11 3168-5088
Fax:  55 11 3168-4001





From jonc at haht.com  Tue Mar  5 20:09:52 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:09:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using one list to set the configuration for another list
References: <NEBBJOEKLKCMJKNPKNCFKEHLDJAA.fmaquiaveli@uol.com.br>
Message-ID: <019f01c1c479$56dff7d0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Two thoughts:

 - You should edit ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py so that your newly created
lists start out with defaults that you like, and thus you have minimal
modifications to make to new lists that you create.  For instructions on
editing that file see it's parent file in the same directory: Defaults.py.
Don't modify the Defaults.py file.  Copy the sections of Defaults.py that
you want to change, and paste them into mm_cfg.py, then change those values
there.

 - You can create a "configuration template" or multiple configuration
templates and store them in your Mailman install.

  Create a list and edit its configuration so that it matches all the
settings you would like in a list. Dump the configuration of the list to a
file:
     ~mailman/bin/config_list -o <filename> <list-name>

  Edit <filename> with any modifications that you want. Specifically you
should delete sections you don't want to change in your new list (like the
name of the list). You should save sections that have configurations that
you want in the new list (like whether posts are moderated or not). Save the
file, and you will have a "configuration template".  You can use it to
modify or setup the configuration of any other list.

  Modify your new list(s) by uploading the "configuration template to it:
     ~mailman/bin/config_lists -i <filename> <list-to-modify>

HtH,

Jon Carnes

BTW: Fernando, it helps others help you if you actually have a subject that
is descriptive in some manner and not just "help" or some equally
nondescript derivation. I am a great believer in asking the "right"
question - for a question, once asked properly contains the seeds of its own
answer.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fernando Maquiaveli" <fmaquiaveli at uol.com.br>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 1:24 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need a litle help


> Hi
>
> Is it possible to use one list that I had been created as a default list,
> and use it to create new lists, just copying this list to another?
> Thanks.
> Fernando Maquiaveli
> Ativa S/A Corretora de t?tulos e valores
> Email: fmaquiaveli at ativactv.com.br
> Fone: 55 11 3168-5088
> Fax:  55 11 3168-4001
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From nmontano at laplaza.org  Tue Mar  5 20:29:13 2002
From: nmontano at laplaza.org (Nancy Montano)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 12:29:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not archiving
Message-ID: <3C851C89.2ECC5BD3@laplaza.org>

We had a problem where Mailman completely broke.  We have since restored
it, but it is not archiving the lists' messages to the html page. What
is really strange is that one  list's messages are being archived???

Thanks for any help on this.

Nancy

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From jonc at haht.com  Tue Mar  5 20:31:21 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:31:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Majordomo-style email based commands
References: <LPBBKAMOJABFNJEJCKHGOEDLCFAA.sgreverend@attbi.com>
Message-ID: <01dd01c1c47c$54ba2a40$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Mailman user - email commands...

> cat ~mailman/templates/help.txt

Help for %(listname)s mailing list:

This is email command help for version %(version)s of the "Mailman"
list manager.  The following describes commands you can send to get
information about and control your subscription to Mailman lists at
this site.  A command can be in the subject line or in the body of the
message.

Note that much of the following can also be accomplished via the World
Wide Web, at:

    %(listinfo_url)s

In particular, you can use the Web site to have your password sent to
your delivery address.

List specific commands (subscribe, who, etc) should be sent to the
*-request address for the particular list, e.g. for the 'mailman'
list, use 'mailman-request at ...'.

About the descriptions - words in "<>"s signify REQUIRED items and
words in "[]" denote OPTIONAL items.  Do not include the "<>"s or
"[]"s when you use the commands.

The following commands are valid:

    subscribe [password] [digest-option] [address=<address>]
        Subscribe to the mailing list.  Your password must be given to
        unsubscribe or change your options.  When you subscribe to the
        list, you'll be reminded of your password periodically.
        'digest-option' may be either: 'nodigest' or 'digest' (no
        quotes!)  If you wish to subscribe an address other than the
        address you send this request from, you may specify
        "address=<email address>" (no brackets around the email
        address, no quotes!)

    unsubscribe <password> [address]
        Unsubscribe from the mailing list.  Your password must match
        the one you gave when you subscribed.  If you are trying to
        unsubscribe from a different address than the one you
        subscribed from, you may specify it in the 'address' field.

    who
        See everyone who is on this mailing list.

    info
        View the introductory information for this list.

    lists
        See what mailing lists are run by this Mailman server.

    help
        This message.

    set <option> <on|off> <password>
        Turn on or off list options.  Valid options are:

        ack:
            Turn this on to receive acknowledgement mail when you send
            mail to the list.

        digest:
            Receive mail from the list bundled together instead of one
            post at a time.

        plain:
            Get plain-text, not MIME-compliant, digests (only if
            digest is set)

        nomail:
            Stop delivering mail.  Useful if you plan on taking a
            short vacation.

        norcv:
            Turn this on to NOT receive posts you send to the list.
            Does not work if digest is set.

        hide:
            Conceals your address when people look at who is on this
            list.


    options
        Show the current values of your list options.

    password <oldpassword> <newpassword>
        Change your list password.

    end or --
       Stop processing commands (good to do if your mailer
       automatically adds a signature file - it'll save you from a lot
       of cruft).


Commands should be sent to %(requestaddr)s

Questions and concerns for the attention of a person should be sent to

    %(adminaddr)s


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sylvie Greverend" <sgreverend at attbi.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 1:04 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Majordomo-style email based commands


> I can't find the documentation about the email based commands.
> Thank you for your help
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From michael at emjay.net  Tue Mar  5 21:18:50 2002
From: michael at emjay.net (Michael Johnson)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:18:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Mac OSX
Message-ID: <34FAC81C-3076-11D6-928A-00039313F1F4@emjay.net>

Hi gang

I've just installed Python and happily found it to be very simple.  I 
also noted the incredible speed difference between a 500 iceBook, a 
G4/400, and a G4/500.

Then it came time to install the mailman stuff.  I downloaded 2.0.8 and 
unpacked it.  I went to add the user and group of mailman...no problem.

Then, it happened...

./configure --prefix=/Users/mailman

basic configure file output leading up to...

checking for mailman UID... ./configure: permission denied: conftest.py 
[1152]
/usr/local/bin/python: can't open file 'conftest.py'
cat: conftest.out: No such file or directory

configure: error:
***** No "mailman" user found!
***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined
***** (usually in your /etc/passwd file).  Please see the INSTALL
***** file for details.

I'm certain I have a user called mailman.  I'm also certain there's a 
group called mailman, but it doesn't seem to have gotten far enough to 
tell if it's there.

I know many of you have installed mailman...and I hope you can let me 
know what I did wrong and lead me to the path of enlightenment.  =-)

-Michael




From karazoe at pacbell.net  Tue Mar  5 22:13:21 2002
From: karazoe at pacbell.net (karazoe at pacbell.net)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 13:13:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no relaying
Message-ID: <3C84C471.17969.580B542@localhost>

Hello,

I'm new to the whole Mailman thing, but I like it so far.  
Unfortunately, I 
can't get any of the posts and I don't know why.

Symptoms:
- All of the admin/managemnt notices get sent (welcome to 
list, confirm 
subscription, etc.), but none of the mail sent to the lists 
get sent out to the 
members.

- This occurs whether or not the members are on the local 
system or not.

Setup:

Postfix - postfix-20011125-1SASL
Redhat 7.1
python-1.5.2-30


log/messages:

Mar  5 12:46:59 nigel CROND[16220]: (mailman) CMD 
(/usr/bin/python -S 
/home/mailman/cron/qrunner) 
Mar  5 12:47:02 nigel postfix/smtpd[16221]: connect from 
mta7.pltn13.pbi.net[64.164.98.8]
Mar  5 12:47:02 nigel postfix/smtpd[16221]: 85E4C7EB5: 
client=mta7.pltn13.pbi.net[64.164.98.8]
Mar  5 12:47:02 nigel postfix/cleanup[16222]: 85E4C7EB5: 
message-
id=<3C84BE51.21874.568C707 at localhost>
Mar  5 12:47:02 nigel postfix/nqmgr[3271]: 85E4C7EB5: 
from=<xxx at xxx.net>, 
size=827, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Mar  5 12:47:02 nigel postfix/smtpd[16221]: disconnect from 
mta7.pltn13.pbi.net[64.164.98.8]

and I repeatedly get:

Mar  5 12:49:00 nigel CROND[16229]: (mailman) CMD 
(/usr/bin/python -S 
/home/mailman/cron/qrunner) 

every 1-2 minutes.


I am a hobbyist with no formal training in Linux (only what 
I've picked up over 
the last couple of years playing with it).  Everything else 
works fine.  
Postfix works with all my email accounts except not with 
Mailman.

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Thanks!
kara







From nmontano at laplaza.org  Tue Mar  5 22:15:45 2002
From: nmontano at laplaza.org (Nancy Montano)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 14:15:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Repeated cron outputs
Message-ID: <3C853581.B5AB801C@laplaza.org>

I am receiving the following cron output every 2 - 5 minutes.  Can
somebody tell me what this is and how to stop it.

Nancy


Your "cron" job on elvis
/usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news

produced the following output:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 119, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 58, in main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 61, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 802, in Load
    raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info'
MMBadListError: Failed to access config info


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From jb at cascade-sys.com  Tue Mar  5 22:25:39 2002
From: jb at cascade-sys.com (James J. Besemer)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 13:25:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Repeated cron outputs
References: <3C853581.B5AB801C@laplaza.org>
Message-ID: <3C8537D3.2635147F@cascade-sys.com>

Well, something is wrong with your Mailman and/or Python install and
config.

You progressed with the install to the point where you told your cron
daemon to periodicaly run mailman jobs and the program (gate_news) is
bombing on a runtime error.

When MM is running normally your cron jobs shouldn't issue any
complaints.

If you don't intend to gate news you might try turning off that option,
as it appears to be the only error.

Beyond that, hard to say what's broken of all the myriad things that
possibly could have gone wrong.

Good luck.

Nancy Montano wrote:

> I am receiving the following cron output every 2 - 5 minutes.  Can
> somebody tell me what this is and how to stop it.
>
> Nancy
>
> Your "cron" job on elvis
> /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news
>
> produced the following output:
>
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 119, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 58, in main
>     mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 61, in __init__
>     self.Load()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 802, in Load
>     raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info'
> MMBadListError: Failed to access config info
>
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> Webmaster/Content Coord || nmontano at laplaza.org ||
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>
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From jonc at haht.com  Tue Mar  5 22:29:37 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:29:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Mac OSX
References: <34FAC81C-3076-11D6-928A-00039313F1F4@emjay.net>
Message-ID: <027b01c1c48c$da5d55e0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Whenever I have similar problems - which thankfully is not often - I open up
the "configure" file and find the part where it died.  Usually that is
fairly easy as it flows through the script linearly and you can see the last
good output, and use that to find where the configure script has problems.
Reading the file from that point on will indicate exactly what it is looking
for and what kind of a test it is using to find if it is present.

Most times you can be up and running again after a few symlinks assuming you
have a POSIX structure (unix like) to work with.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Johnson" <michael at emjay.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:18 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Mac OSX


> Hi gang
>
> I've just installed Python and happily found it to be very simple.  I
> also noted the incredible speed difference between a 500 iceBook, a
> G4/400, and a G4/500.
>
> Then it came time to install the mailman stuff.  I downloaded 2.0.8 and
> unpacked it.  I went to add the user and group of mailman...no problem.
>
> Then, it happened...
>
> ./configure --prefix=/Users/mailman
>
> basic configure file output leading up to...
>
> checking for mailman UID... ./configure: permission denied: conftest.py
> [1152]
> /usr/local/bin/python: can't open file 'conftest.py'
> cat: conftest.out: No such file or directory
>
> configure: error:
> ***** No "mailman" user found!
> ***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined
> ***** (usually in your /etc/passwd file).  Please see the INSTALL
> ***** file for details.
>
> I'm certain I have a user called mailman.  I'm also certain there's a
> group called mailman, but it doesn't seem to have gotten far enough to
> tell if it's there.
>
> I know many of you have installed mailman...and I hope you can let me
> know what I did wrong and lead me to the path of enlightenment.  =-)
>
> -Michael
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From michael at emjay.net  Tue Mar  5 23:22:12 2002
From: michael at emjay.net (Michael Johnson)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:22:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <027b01c1c48c$da5d55e0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <70A3C88E-3087-11D6-928A-00039313F1F4@emjay.net>

On Tuesday, March 5, 2002, at 04:29 PM, Jon Carnes wrote:

> Whenever I have similar problems - which thankfully is not often - I 
> open up
> the "configure" file and find the part where it died.  Usually that is
> fairly easy as it flows through the script linearly and you can see the 
> last
> good output, and use that to find where the configure script has 
> problems.
> Reading the file from that point on will indicate exactly what it is 
> looking
>
This worked for the most part...however, when I got to the setup portion 
(/Users/mailman/bin/check_perms), it failed.  So I ran it with the -f 
flag to fix the problems.  That's when I got the following output:

[smudette:/Users/mailman] root# bin/check_perms -f
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "bin/check_perms", line 46, in ?
     from Mailman import mm_cfg
   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 41, in ?
     from Defaults import *
   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py", line 502, in ?
     MAILMAN_UID = mailman
NameError: name 'mailman' is not defined

Somehow, I made it through this in the ./configure portion of the game.  
Now, it appears as though a few of the Python scripts aren't happy.  
This is almost enough to make me want to go back to majordomo (ACK!!  He 
said the "m" word!!!) but I think I'll hold off for a bit and see how 
this part of the saga plays out.

-Michael




From csnyder at mvpsoft.com  Wed Mar  6 00:47:15 2002
From: csnyder at mvpsoft.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 18:47:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No date header on outgoing mail
Message-ID: <3C855903.3070906@mvpsoft.com>

I've just set up Mailman on a Linux box using Qmail as the MTA, but am 
running into a problem with the date header on Mailman-generated mail 
(subscribe info, etc.).  Mailman does not add a date header, and qmail 
does not add a date header on mail received via SMTP - only sendmail. 
 This causes the date in my mail client (Mozilla) to be displayed as 
12/31/69.  This seems to be more a fault of Mailman than Qmail - the MUA 
(in this case Mailman) should add the date, not the MTA.  I could tell 
Mailman to use the Sendmail delivery, though I do not want to because of 
the security issues mentioned.  What other options do I have?  Is there 
a configuration item I'm missing, or will this need to be changed in the 
code?  Thanks in advance.




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar  6 01:26:20 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:26:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <70A3C88E-3087-11D6-928A-00039313F1F4@emjay.net>
References: <70A3C88E-3087-11D6-928A-00039313F1F4@emjay.net>
Message-ID: <0b8474725000632FE4@mail4.nc.rr.com>

Alas, I havn't played with the Mac OSX (though folks in my LUG say it's 
Xtremely cool...), so I don't know how the system sets users/groups.  Some 
other folks on this list in the past have written treatises about this very 
subject.  Perhaps a dive into the Archives will part the veils?

Again, good luck.  You've made it a fair distance already!

Jon Carnes
 --- Original Message: Tuesday 05 March 2002 05:22 pm ---

>    File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py", line 502, in ?
>      MAILMAN_UID = mailman
> NameError: name 'mailman' is not defined
>
> Somehow, I made it through this in the ./configure portion of the game.
> Now, it appears as though a few of the Python scripts aren't happy.
> This is almost enough to make me want to go back to majordomo (ACK!!  He
> said the "m" word!!!) but I think I'll hold off for a bit and see how
> this part of the saga plays out.
>
> -Michael
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Mar  6 02:10:12 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 17:10:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <0b8474725000632FE4@mail4.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <B8AAAC74.19C45%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

Did you in fact create user mailman? It's complaining it doesn't exist.

If you've created it, it may be that mailman and/or python needs to be made
netinfo aware. But I kjnow others have gotten mailman running fine under
MacOS x. it's something I've got on my plate for Real Soon Now (in fact,
talked ot my boss about that today....)


On 3/5/02 4:26 PM, "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com> wrote:

> Alas, I havn't played with the Mac OSX (though folks in my LUG say it's
> Xtremely cool...), so I don't know how the system sets users/groups.  Some
> other folks on this list in the past have written treatises about this very
> subject.  Perhaps a dive into the Archives will part the veils?
> 
> Again, good luck.  You've made it a fair distance already!
> 
> Jon Carnes
> --- Original Message: Tuesday 05 March 2002 05:22 pm ---
> 
>>    File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py", line 502, in ?
>>      MAILMAN_UID = mailman
>> NameError: name 'mailman' is not defined
>> 
>> Somehow, I made it through this in the ./configure portion of the game.
>> Now, it appears as though a few of the Python scripts aren't happy.
>> This is almost enough to make me want to go back to majordomo (ACK!!  He
>> said the "m" word!!!) but I think I'll hold off for a bit and see how
>> this part of the saga plays out.


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.chuqui.com/

Very funny, Scotty. Now beam my clothes down here, will you?





From michael at emjay.net  Wed Mar  6 02:29:31 2002
From: michael at emjay.net (Michael Johnson)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:29:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <B8AAAC74.19C45%chuqui@plaidworks.com>
Message-ID: <9BC3DF26-30A1-11D6-B677-00039313F1F4@emjay.net>

On Tuesday, March 5, 2002, at 08:10 PM, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:

The master himself speaks!

> Did you in fact create user mailman? It's complaining it doesn't exist.
>
I made the user and a group using Server Admin.  Then, I tried on OSX 
client using --with-groupname=staff and still had a problem.

> If you've created it, it may be that mailman and/or python needs to be 
> made
> netinfo aware. But I kjnow others have gotten mailman running fine under
> MacOS x. it's something I've got on my plate for Real Soon Now (in fact,
> talked ot my boss about that today....)
>
I guess the trick is making one or both of them NetInfo aware.  I looked 
in the archives and didn't see anything on that specifically.  Know if 
someone like Scott Anguish has done anything with this?  I didn't see 
anything on stepwise.

-Michael




From csnyder at mvpsoft.com  Wed Mar  6 02:32:06 2002
From: csnyder at mvpsoft.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 20:32:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail merge?
Message-ID: <3C857196.5030205@mvpsoft.com>

I'd like to use Mailman in a commercial setting, including collecting 
user names along with e-mail addresses, and doing a mail merge, 
inserting their names into the messages.  Is this possible with Mailman? 
 Thanks in advance.




From ian at pairowoodies.com  Wed Mar  6 02:46:41 2002
From: ian at pairowoodies.com (Ian Scott)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:46:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DRAC And Mailman
In-Reply-To: <3C857196.5030205@mvpsoft.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBJAIJOLJHIJKLFGGDKEEJFLAA.ian@pairowoodies.com>

I realize this might be a bit off topic; but perhaps others running Mailman
have run into this problem.

Something strange has happened!  I've had Mailman running on our mail server
for quite some time, along with DRAC, QPopper and Sendmail.  Everything
worked great.

In January, I thought I had added just one line to my sendmail.mc file to
experiment with the 'blacklist_recipients' Feature in Sendmail.  However, I
must have done something else as well.

Now, when someone sends mail to a Mailman list, it appears that it is being
rejected 'Relaying Denied'.  I am thinking the Drac rules are not allowing
mail from localhost even though I have localhost in my /etc/mail/access
file.

Anyone have any ideas here?  Am I missing some Local Ruleset in my sendmail
configuration?




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar  6 03:29:25 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:29:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No date header on outgoing mail
In-Reply-To: <3C855903.3070906@mvpsoft.com>
References: <3C855903.3070906@mvpsoft.com>
Message-ID: <0b4f02528020632FE5@mail5.nc.rr.com>

Another option open to you is to hack the file that puts in the headers 
(CookHeaders.py?) and add a "Date" header.
Something like...

  import time

     date = msg.getheader('date')
     if date is None:
            date = time.ctime(time.time())
            msg['Date'] = date
       
# this is just an example and probably won't work, but it's close.

 --- Original Message: Tuesday 05 March 2002 06:47 pm ---
> I've just set up Mailman on a Linux box using Qmail as the MTA, but am
> running into a problem with the date header on Mailman-generated mail
> (subscribe info, etc.).  Mailman does not add a date header, and qmail
> does not add a date header on mail received via SMTP - only sendmail.
>  This causes the date in my mail client (Mozilla) to be displayed as
> 12/31/69.  This seems to be more a fault of Mailman than Qmail - the MUA
> (in this case Mailman) should add the date, not the MTA.  I could tell
> Mailman to use the Sendmail delivery, though I do not want to because of
> the security issues mentioned.  What other options do I have?  Is there
> a configuration item I'm missing, or will this need to be changed in the
> code?  Thanks in advance.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar  6 03:44:42 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:44:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail merge?
In-Reply-To: <3C857196.5030205@mvpsoft.com>
References: <3C857196.5030205@mvpsoft.com>
Message-ID: <0ce474143020632FE5@mail5.nc.rr.com>

Try "ezmlm".  Harder to install and configure but rumour has it that it does 
what you want.

 --- Original Message: Tuesday 05 March 2002 08:32 pm ---
> I'd like to use Mailman in a commercial setting, including collecting
> user names along with e-mail addresses, and doing a mail merge,
> inserting their names into the messages.  Is this possible with Mailman?
>  Thanks in advance.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From kirez at cornell.edu  Wed Mar  6 04:18:46 2002
From: kirez at cornell.edu (Kirez Korgan)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:18:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Hosting Question
Message-ID: <018e01c1c4bd$a10532a0$6401a8c0@asics>

I am having a problem with virtual hosting with mailman and sendmail.

All outgoing messages from the mailman software have both an envelope-from
and a header-from, from the wrong domain!

For example, if I send a subscribe request to list-l-request at good.com, the
response comes from list-l-request at bad.com.

The text of the message is correct -- telling me to email my confirmation to
good.com, but it also says I can just hit reply --
which would, naturally, go to bad.com.

I would like to do whatever is necessary to sendmail.cf so that subscribers
to lists at good.com need never know about bad.com.

But also, users of bad.com need to continue to have their outgoing mail say
the right thing, without disturbance.

I have a virtusertable, and that works just fine for incoming.  I read
somewhere that I could set up a genericstable, which I think I did, for
outgoing mail, but that doesn't seem to help.

Is there a simple webpage where I could obtain some useful help with this?

Thanks!
Kirez






From atropos at fates.org  Wed Mar  6 05:18:18 2002
From: atropos at fates.org (David B. O'Donnell)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 23:18:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <34FAC81C-3076-11D6-928A-00039313F1F4@emjay.net>
References: <34FAC81C-3076-11D6-928A-00039313F1F4@emjay.net>
Message-ID: <4989861.1015370297@mrspeel.fates.org>

On Tuesday, 05 March 2002 15:18 -0500 Michael Johnson <michael at emjay.net> 
wrote:

> Then, it happened...
>
> ./configure --prefix=/Users/mailman
>
> basic configure file output leading up to...
>
> checking for mailman UID... ./configure: permission denied: conftest.py
> [1152] /usr/local/bin/python: can't open file 'conftest.py'
> cat: conftest.out: No such file or directory

Michael,

You might want to take a look at the article I wrote for AFP548.com on 
installing Mailman under Mac OS X Server: 
<URL:http://www.afp548.com/Articles/mail/python-mailman.html> I don't 
believe there are any steps to the process that are *specific* to Mac OS X 
Server, though you may need to make some adjustments if you're not also 
running Postfix as your MTA. Regardless, I've had Mailman 2.0.8 running 
under Mac OS X Server for several months now and serve a number of lists 
from it without problem.

-- 
David B. O'Donnell - atropos at fates.org - www.fates.org
Help rescue cats in need: Fancy Cats Rescue Team, www.fancycats.org
"Thoughtful consumption is the enemy of marketing."
    -- Scott Hazen Mueller



From jb at cascade-sys.com  Wed Mar  6 05:40:13 2002
From: jb at cascade-sys.com (James J. Besemer)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 20:40:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Hosting Question
References: <018e01c1c4bd$a10532a0$6401a8c0@asics>
Message-ID: <3C859DAD.B1F6F1F5@cascade-sys.com>

I'm having the exact same problem and also would appreciate any pointers.

Kirez Korgan wrote:

> I am having a problem with virtual hosting with mailman and sendmail.
>
> All outgoing messages from the mailman software have both an envelope-from
> and a header-from, from the wrong domain!
>
> For example, if I send a subscribe request to list-l-request at good.com, the
> response comes from list-l-request at bad.com.
>
> The text of the message is correct -- telling me to email my confirmation to
> good.com, but it also says I can just hit reply --
> which would, naturally, go to bad.com.
>
> I would like to do whatever is necessary to sendmail.cf so that subscribers
> to lists at good.com need never know about bad.com.
>
> But also, users of bad.com need to continue to have their outgoing mail say
> the right thing, without disturbance.
>
> I have a virtusertable, and that works just fine for incoming.  I read
> somewhere that I could set up a genericstable, which I think I did, for
> outgoing mail, but that doesn't seem to help.
>
> Is there a simple webpage where I could obtain some useful help with this?
>
> Thanks!
> Kirez
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

--
James J. Besemer  503-280-0838 voice
http://cascade-sys.com  503-280-0375 fax
mailto:jb at cascade-sys.com





From jwblist at olympus.net  Wed Mar  6 06:19:08 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:19:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <9BC3DF26-30A1-11D6-B677-00039313F1F4@emjay.net>
References: <9BC3DF26-30A1-11D6-B677-00039313F1F4@emjay.net>
Message-ID: <p05101502b8ab56855d11@[207.149.192.229]>

At 20:29 -0500 3/5/2002, Michael Johnson wrote:
>I guess the trick is making one or both of them NetInfo aware.  I looked
>in the archives and didn't see anything on that specifically.  Know if
>someone like Scott Anguish has done anything with this?  I didn't see
>anything on stepwise.

I haven't updated Python on my Mac OS X machine since last Spring:

This build is NetInfo aware with no special action:
% python
Python 2.1 (#1, 04/22/01, 11:06:25)
[GCC Apple DevKit-based CPP 6.0alpha] on darwin1
Type "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.

Do this (after the modern version of the above):
import pwd
print pwd.getpwall()

Do you see all your NetInfo users?

  --John

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From michael at emjay.net  Wed Mar  6 06:35:44 2002
From: michael at emjay.net (Michael Johnson)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 00:35:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <p05101502b8ab56855d11@[207.149.192.229]>
Message-ID: <0116403A-30C4-11D6-92CB-003065966488@emjay.net>

On Wednesday, March 6, 2002, at 12:19 AM, John W Baxter wrote:

> At 20:29 -0500 3/5/2002, Michael Johnson wrote:
>> I guess the trick is making one or both of them NetInfo aware.  I 
>> looked
>> in the archives and didn't see anything on that specifically.  Know if
>> someone like Scott Anguish has done anything with this?  I didn't see
>> anything on stepwise.
>
> I haven't updated Python on my Mac OS X machine since last Spring:
>
> This build is NetInfo aware with no special action:
> % python
> Python 2.1 (#1, 04/22/01, 11:06:25)
> [GCC Apple DevKit-based CPP 6.0alpha] on darwin1
> Type "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>
> Do this (after the modern version of the above):
> import pwd
> print pwd.getpwall()
>
> Do you see all your NetInfo users?
>
I tried first on the OSX (10.1.3) G4/500 and it worked fine.  Then I 
anxiously tried the OSXS (10.1.2) G4/400 and alas, it worked fine as 
well.  All the users showed up perfectly.




From larry at gadallah.com  Wed Mar  6 07:04:35 2002
From: larry at gadallah.com (Larry Gadallah)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:04:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Query about 2.1a4
In-Reply-To: <E16iPGo-0002cY-00@mail.python.org>; from mailman-users-request@python.org on Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 07:27:02PM -0500
References: <E16iPGo-0002cY-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <20020305220435.A61337@dyson.gadallah.com>

Hello all:

I just tried installing 2.1a4 on a FreeBSD 4.5 box with Apache
and Sendmail 8.11. Seemed to work well, except that when users tried
to confirm subscriptions via the web, they would get to the page
where they are asked for the confirmation "cookie", and no matter
what was submitted, the system would never get past that page.

Didn't see any problems in the log dir, or in the databases. I 
backed off to 2.0.8 for now, but I'd really like to use the real
name features in 2.1. Anyone have a clue for me as to what's going
wrong here?

Thanks in advance,
-- 
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33.06.00.612N 117.07.05.916W 210Z   http://www.gadallah.com/~larry
Key fingerprint = D6 79 5D 9D 41 27 74 03  68 FD D7 F3 86 68 EB A5



From Margrit.Lottmann at URZ.Uni-Magdeburg.DE  Wed Mar  6 08:43:33 2002
From: Margrit.Lottmann at URZ.Uni-Magdeburg.DE (Margrit Lottmann)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:43:33 +0100 (NFT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman+exim+virtual domains
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.21.0203060835580.19158-100000@graf350.urz.uni-magdeburg.de>

I've found in the README.exim file in the downloadings, that 
I can use virtual domains, if I generate separate installations for
each domain.   ???

Has'nt anybody other solutions ???

Perhaps I can manage the domain solution with the aliases database...in
majordomo style ???



MfG Margrit Lottmann 


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From kirez at cornell.edu  Wed Mar  6 08:30:08 2002
From: kirez at cornell.edu (Kirez Korgan)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 00:30:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman+exim+virtual domains
Message-ID: <030201c1c4e0$be974e70$6401a8c0@asics>

I've found a few dialogues in the archives on this subject, but for
endmail  -- I've pasted them below, with links for each batch of
conversation....

(http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-November/015161.html)

On Monday 05 November 2001 03:08, V.S.Mony wrote:
> Hai,
>  I have installed mailman in my machine and is managing the mailing lists
> for one domain. It has multiple domains hosted on it. Can one single
> installation of mailman be used to manage mailing lists for multiple
> domains?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Venkat

Yes.  It's a touch more complicated, but easily doable.  You have to setup
the virtual domains under your MTA (mailserver) and in your Webserver, then
simply set Mailman to use those virtual addresses, under General Options in
the Admin interface.

Jon Carnes

--------------Follow-up---------------------

On Wednesday 07 November 2001 00:22, V.S.Mony wrote:
> There is only a field with the description  'Hostname the list prefers'
>
> Can we give multiple domains in that field?
> i mean abc.com,xyz.com in the same textbox?
>
> Then will it recognise mails to both abc.com and xyz.com
>
> Venkat

Negative.  You put "abc.com" in for the domain it prefers.  If the list is
called mylist at abc.com, then you create an alias for it called mylist at xyz.com

The last step is to identify "mylist at xyz.com" as a list that is treated as
though it were "mylist at abc.com" by Mailman.  You do that by web-ing over to
the admin page and on the Privacy Options page, putting the address into
the field:
   Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to
   or cc destination names for this list. (Details)

Works just fine there after - Jon


---------------Separate Dialogue-------------------
I didn't follow this conversation, which seems to conclude it was a sendmail
problem:

1. Bill Moseley asks question, seems quite relevant to me:
***************
I have my lists all setup to use the full name of the host.

  DEFAULT_HOST_NAME   = 'mardy.hank.org'

This is the same host as simply hank.org.  I just tried to subscribe to a
list, and the confirm mail came like this:

  Reply-To: test-request at hank.org

The list settings have not changes (they still say mardy.hank.org).

The problem is I have all mail to @hank.org to one address in sendmail's
virtusertable, so it needs to go to mardy.hank.org to not get bypassed by
my virtusertable entry.

So, the question is, why did mailman set the reply to to simply @hank.org
instead of @mardy.hank.org?  What settings should I look at?

Bill Moseley
mailto:moseley at hank.org
****************
2. Jon Carnes answers:
****************
So you changed it in your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file but did you go
into the web-admin and change it on the General Options page for the lists
that already exist?
   Host name this list prefers:  mardy.hank.org

Jon Carnes
****************
3. Bill Mosely responds:
****************
At 05:59 PM 11/28/01 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
>So you changed it in your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file but did you go
>into the web-admin and change it on the General Options page for the lists
>that already exist?
>   Host name this list prefers:  mardy.hank.org

Nope, that's what I meant when I said:

> The list settings have not changes (they still say mardy.hank.org).

Should have been

The list's settings have not changes (they still say mardy.hank.org).

I assume the settings are in the .db file for each list:

> strings config.db | grep hank.org
http://hank.org/mailman/s
moseley at hank.orgi
moseley at hank.orgs
moseley at hank.orgi
mardy.hank.org0

Hum.
*****************
4. Then Bill seems to say he's found the answer:
*****************
.... Wait, could it be sendmail is changing those headers?

250 mardy.hank.org Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you
mail from: b at hank.org
250 2.1.0 b at hank.org... Sender ok
rcpt to: moseley at hank.org
250 2.1.5 moseley at hank.org... Recipient ok
data
354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself
To: moseley at hank.org
From: xxx at mardy.hank.org
Errors-to: yyy at mardy.hank.orgSubject: well?bye.
250 2.0.0 fASNBQu12953 Message accepted for deliveryquit----- mail ----
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:11:33 -0800To: moseley at hank.org
From: xxx at hank.org
Errors-to: yyy at hank.org
Subject: well?

bye

Damn.  Never mind.  Now, if I could only remember how to disable that....
******************

And that was the entire dialogue... at:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-November/015752.html

---------------------Finally, some more!!!!---------------------------
At http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-November/015637.html

Bill Moseley getting help from others now:

Bill Moseley wrote:

> Do people use shell scripts to do all this work?

    Nope, by hand.

> su - mailman
> bin/newlist foo
> su
> <edit /etc/mail/aliases>
> newaliase
> <edit /etc/mail/virtusertable>
> makemap hash virtusertable < virtusertable
> <restart sendmail>
>
> Actually, the problem with that is the bin/newlist should be done last as
> it sends mail to the new list admin, and if done first, the list isn't
> really setup yet.

    I open two windows to my server:

    window 1 [ as mailman ]:
        ./bin/newlist
            - list name
            - email
            - password
            [ pause - go to window 2 ]

    window 2 [ as root ]:
        vi /etc/mail/aliases
            add list aliases
        vi /etc/mail/virtusertable
            add list users
        makemap on virtusertable
        newaliases
            [ back to window 1 ]

    window 1 [ as mailman ]:
        hit return
            MM sends out email.


At 12:12 PM 11/26/01 -0700, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
>    In your virtusertable:
>
>    #mailing lists
>    test at hank.org          test
>    test-admin at hank.org    test-admin
>    test-request at hank.org  test-request
>    test-owner at hank.org    test-owner
>
>    #catchall rule
>    @hank.org              moseley+%1

Thanks, that's what was I worried about.  ;)

Do people use shell scripts to do all this work?

su - mailman
bin/newlist foo
su
<edit /etc/mail/aliases>
newaliase
<edit /etc/mail/virtusertable>
makemap hash virtusertable < virtusertable
<restart sendmail>

Actually, the problem with that is the bin/newlist should be done last as
it sends mail to the new list admin, and if done first, the list isn't
really setup yet.

Thanks for the help!

Bill Moseley
mailto:moseley at hank.org







From jonas at freesources.org  Wed Mar  6 13:56:16 2002
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:56:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to set up a world-writable list.
Message-ID: <20020306125616.GA2253@jonas.server0.de>

Hello,

How can I set up a list where everyone can write?

Bye 
 Jonas

-- 
Enter any 11-digit prime number to continue...



From barry at zope.com  Wed Mar  6 14:21:28 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:21:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No date header on outgoing mail
References: <3C855903.3070906@mvpsoft.com>
	<0b4f02528020632FE5@mail5.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <15494.6104.431926.456751@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "JC" == Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com> writes:

    JC> Another option open to you is to hack the file that puts in
    JC> the headers (CookHeaders.py?) and add a "Date" header.
    JC> Something like...

FWIW, this should be fixed in MM2.1, although not in CookHeaders.py.

-Barry



From zmoelnig at iem.kug.ac.at  Wed Mar  6 16:19:53 2002
From: zmoelnig at iem.kug.ac.at (IOhannes m zmoelnig)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:19:53 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive naming convention
Message-ID: <3C863398.7030807@iem.kug.ac.at>

Hi !

I am a complete novice to Mailman and trying to upgrade the lists we are 
running from smail to Mailman.
If this question was asked and answered before, i am sorry.
(Anyhow, Mailman-archives are not searchable, so it is not entirely my 
fault)

I am running Debian/GNU Linux (woody) with Mailman-2.0.8(-3).
Everything is (still) fine, but :
I am going to archive the mails monthly: the default naming convention 
for monthly archives is "%Y-%B", which results in "2002-March".
I would prefer "%Y-%m" (since this is the naming convention of our 
current archives which have been used for 4 years now. there is also a 
small search-engine based on this convention)

so i could edit the Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py script to change the 
default behaviour.
However, this is not so good, since it will make the task of updating my 
debian-system really awful (and i am sure, i will forget about the small 
change made "back then")

i guess there are no real alternatives ? are there ?

does anybody now, whether this behaviour will change (eg: become 
user-adjustable via a global configuration-file, or preferably 
seperately for each list) ??


any help is appreciated

mfg.c.asdr
IOhannes




From esper at sherohman.org  Wed Mar  6 16:35:10 2002
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:35:10 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to set up a world-writable list.
In-Reply-To: <20020306125616.GA2253@jonas.server0.de>; from jonas@freesources.org on Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 01:56:16PM +0100
References: <20020306125616.GA2253@jonas.server0.de>
Message-ID: <20020306093510.B17955@sherohman.org>

On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 01:56:16PM +0100, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> How can I set up a list where everyone can write?

Admin interface, Privacy Options page.  Set "Restrict posting
privilege to list members?" to no.

-- 
When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists
have already won. - reverius

Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss



From jonas at freesources.org  Wed Mar  6 16:45:31 2002
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:45:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to set up a world-writable list.
In-Reply-To: <20020306093510.B17955@sherohman.org>
References: <20020306125616.GA2253@jonas.server0.de> <20020306093510.B17955@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <20020306154531.GA7203@jonas.server0.de>

On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 09:35:10AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> > How can I set up a list where everyone can write?
> 
> Admin interface, Privacy Options page.  Set "Restrict posting
> privilege to list members?" to no.

Only this can not be the point because I have it at no. I wanna that
really everyone, egal if subscribed or not etc. can post.

Bye
 Jonas

-- 
The difference between theory and practice, is that in theory, there is no 
difference between theory and practice.



From michael at emjay.net  Wed Mar  6 16:52:46 2002
From: michael at emjay.net (Michael Johnson)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:52:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <4989861.1015370297@mrspeel.fates.org>
Message-ID: <344B32B2-311A-11D6-BCDA-00039313F1F4@emjay.net>

On Tuesday, March 5, 2002, at 11:18 PM, David B. O'Donnell wrote:

> You might want to take a look at the article I wrote for AFP548.com on 
> installing Mailman under Mac OS X Server: 
> <URL:http://www.afp548.com/Articles/mail/python-mailman.html> I don't 
> believe there are any steps to the process that are *specific* to Mac 
> OS X Server, though you may need to make some adjustments if you're not 
> also running Postfix as your MTA. Regardless, I've had Mailman 2.0.8 
> running under Mac OS X Server for several months now and serve a number 
> of lists from it without problem.
>
I've been looking on this page for some time now, and noted one 
problem.  Under the section to create a group, you have the niutil 
commands almost right.  The first one is -create, but the others have to 
be -createprop.  That stumped me for about 5 minutes.  *GRIN*

Then, I went to do the ./configure using:

./configure --prefix=/Users/mailman --with-mail-gid=6 --with-cgi-gid=www

Yes, the mail GID on my machine is 6, but I didn't get that far.

Once again, when I get to the part in the configure script where it 
looks for the users, it can't find the user mailman.  Here's the last 
bit of the output of the script:

checking for mailman UID... ./configure: permission denied: conftest.py 
[1152]
/usr/local/bin/python: can't open file 'conftest.py'
cat: conftest.out: No such file or directory

configure: error:
***** No "mailman" user found!
***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined
***** (usually in your /etc/passwd file).  Please see the INSTALL
***** file for details.

reading the NetInfo database, it shows the following:

[smudette:/Developer/mailman-2.0.8] root# niutil -read / /users/mailman
name: mailman
uid: 5990
home: /Users/mailman
shell: /bin/tcsh
passwd: HkQS3pxAPyKbA

[smudette:/Developer/mailman-2.0.8] root# niutil -read / /groups/mailman
name: mailman
gid: 5990
passwd: *
users: mailman

Yes, the GID and UID of 5990 were open so I used them just as the 
directions on the page described.

Now, I'm really stumped.

-Michael




From jonas at freesources.org  Wed Mar  6 17:16:11 2002
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:16:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to set up a world-writable list.
In-Reply-To: <3C85F66C.14957.3FA584D@localhost>
References: <20020306093510.B17955@sherohman.org> <3C85F66C.14957.3FA584D@localhost>
Message-ID: <20020306161611.GA7536@jonas.server0.de>

On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 10:58:52AM -0500, freymann at eagle.ca wrote:
> On 6 Mar 2002 at 16:45, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> 
> > Only this can not be the point because I have it at no. I wanna that
> > really everyone, egal if subscribed or not etc. can post.
> 
>  Change the list options so every post must be approved by a 
> moderator. Add the email address of the one (or more) people than 
> can send to the list without being approved.

Mh, no. I wanna everyone to be allowed to post without approval.

Bye
 Jonas

-- 
Bei echten Geeks ist die Uptime so hoch, dass sie nicht mehr wissen,
welchen Bootloader sie mal installiert hatten. 
                            -- Jochen Striepe in at.linux



From michael at emjay.net  Wed Mar  6 18:59:36 2002
From: michael at emjay.net (Michael Johnson)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:59:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Mac OSX and conftest.py
In-Reply-To: <344B32B2-311A-11D6-BCDA-00039313F1F4@emjay.net>
Message-ID: <EBEF925D-312B-11D6-B16B-00039313F1F4@emjay.net>

On Wednesday, March 6, 2002, at 10:52 AM, Michael Johnson wrote:

> checking for mailman UID... ./configure: permission denied: conftest.py 
> [1152]
> /usr/local/bin/python: can't open file 'conftest.py'
> cat: conftest.out: No such file or directory
>
I think I've been barking up the wrong tree.  Looking more closely at 
the error, I see the above text.  I've been trying to figure out why 
Python and mailman can't find the user "mailman" when that's possibly 
not the real problem.  It would appear the problem lies in the file 
'conftest.py'.

Where is conftest.py located and what should the permissions be?  
02755?  mailman:mailman?

-Michael




From freymann at scaryg.shacknet.nu  Wed Mar  6 19:23:03 2002
From: freymann at scaryg.shacknet.nu (ScaryG)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:23:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to set up a world-writable list.
In-Reply-To: <20020306125616.GA2253@jonas.server0.de>
References: <20020306125616.GA2253@jonas.server0.de>
Message-ID: <20020306132303.070d1d5f.freymann@scaryg.shacknet.nu>

On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:56:16 +0100
Jonas Meurer <jonas at freesources.org> wrote:

> How can I set up a list where everyone can write?

 How about logging into the administrative web page,

 Click on Privacy Options

 Scroll down..

 Set Must posts Be Approved by Administrator to NO

 SEt Restrict posting only to List Members to NO

 That should do it. Basic stuff though.

-Gerry
Web/Domain Hosting -- Primary/Secondary DNS Services
at http://www.interpool.ca



From hillson at iastate.edu  Wed Mar  6 19:49:20 2002
From: hillson at iastate.edu (Thomas Hillson)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:49:20 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <9BC3DF26-30A1-11D6-B677-00039313F1F4@emjay.net>
References: <9BC3DF26-30A1-11D6-B677-00039313F1F4@emjay.net>
Message-ID: <p05101508b8ac14835bc8@[129.186.242.1]>

Michael,

Did you look in the /etc/passd and /etc/group to see if the user and 
group were actually placed there. OS-X does not put all the users and 
groups in /etc files as it does not use them for all its functions. 
It uses the Net-Info files which are different and not all users and 
groups that I can created on my OS-X computer are in the passwd and 
group files.

>On Tuesday, March 5, 2002, at 08:10 PM, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
>
>The master himself speaks!
>
>>Did you in fact create user mailman? It's complaining it doesn't exist.
>>
>I made the user and a group using Server Admin.  Then, I tried on 
>OSX client using --with-groupname=staff and still had a problem.
>
>>If you've created it, it may be that mailman and/or python needs to be made
>>netinfo aware. But I kjnow others have gotten mailman running fine under
>>MacOS x. it's something I've got on my plate for Real Soon Now (in fact,
>>talked ot my boss about that today....)
>>
>I guess the trick is making one or both of them NetInfo aware.  I 
>looked in the archives and didn't see anything on that specifically. 
>Know if someone like Scott Anguish has done anything with this?  I 
>didn't see anything on stepwise.
>
>-Michael
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users


-- 

--Tom
/---------------------------------------------------------
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From michael at emjay.net  Wed Mar  6 20:11:35 2002
From: michael at emjay.net (Michael Johnson)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:11:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <p05101508b8ac14835bc8@[129.186.242.1]>
Message-ID: <FA4AD272-3135-11D6-B16B-00039313F1F4@emjay.net>

On Wednesday, March 6, 2002, at 01:49 PM, Thomas Hillson wrote:

> Did you look in the /etc/passd and /etc/group to see if the user and 
> group were actually placed there. OS-X does not put all the users and 
> groups in /etc files as it does not use them for all its functions. It 
> uses the Net-Info files which are different and not all users and 
> groups that I can created on my OS-X computer are in the passwd and 
> group files.
>
I just placed them there a moment ago, then re-ran the ./configure 
script and got:

checking for mailman UID... ./configure: permission denied: conftest.py 
[1152]
/usr/local/bin/python: can't open file 'conftest.py'
cat: conftest.out: No such file or directory

configure: error:
***** No "mailman" user found!
***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined
***** (usually in your /etc/passwd file).  Please see the INSTALL
***** file for details.

I know there is a mailman user...I added it using niutil and have 
confirmed it's there.  I also added the user and groups to the passwd 
and group files.

from passwd:
mailman:*:5990:5990:Mailman List Server:/Users/mailman:/bin/tcsh

from group:
mailman:*:5990:mailman

-Michael




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Wed Mar  6 21:07:07 2002
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:07:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Mac OSX
Message-ID: <200203062007.g26K77cW016592@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> On Wednesday, March 6, 2002, at 01:49 PM, Thomas Hillson wrote:
> 
> > Did you look in the /etc/passd and /etc/group to see if the user and 
> > group were actually placed there. OS-X does not put all the users and 
> > groups in /etc files as it does not use them for all its functions. It 
> > uses the Net-Info files which are different and not all users and 
> > groups that I can created on my OS-X computer are in the passwd and 
> > group files.
> >
> I just placed them there a moment ago, then re-ran the ./configure 
> script and got:
> 
> checking for mailman UID... ./configure: permission denied: conftest.py 
> [1152]
> /usr/local/bin/python: can't open file 'conftest.py'
> cat: conftest.out: No such file or directory
> 
> configure: error:
> ***** No "mailman" user found!
> ***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined
> ***** (usually in your /etc/passwd file).  Please see the INSTALL
> ***** file for details.
> 
> I know there is a mailman user...I added it using niutil and have 
> confirmed it's there.  I also added the user and groups to the passwd 
> and group files.
> 
> from passwd:
> mailman:*:5990:5990:Mailman List Server:/Users/mailman:/bin/tcsh
> 
> from group:
> mailman:*:5990:mailman
> 
> -Michael

1) all the symptoms of any problem are important, in computers, medicine,
automobile repair, or psychology.  There are three problems above:

1) the configure program can't open conftest.py
2) the cat program can't open conftest.out
3) the configure program can't find the mailman user.

Since conftest.out strongly hints that it comes from conftest.py,
and since the errors appear in that order, it would be eminently
reasonable to assume that 1) causes 2) causes 3).

So let's stop talking about 2) and 3) and focus on 1).

*Why* can't ./configure open conftest.py?

To answer that question, obtain the following:

1) ls -ld of the containing directory ('.' in ./configure)
2) output of id *from the same state you're running ./configure*
(i.e. run ./configure and see the failure, and then immediately
run id at the next shell prompt)





From jwblist at olympus.net  Wed Mar  6 22:18:50 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:18:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <200203062007.g26K77cW016592@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
References: <200203062007.g26K77cW016592@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <p05101506b8ac37937c07@[207.149.192.229]>

At 12:07 -0800 3/6/2002, Dan Mick wrote:
>*Why* can't ./configure open conftest.py?

I just wrote a less-well done version of your message.  Fortunately, I
didn't send it.

I get the feeling that the configure script creates a customized
conftest.py and THAT is the step that is going wrong (possibly due to lack
of write permission on the containing directory).

The configure files I've written are contained in this list [], so I think
someone else has a better chance to carry on from here.

  --John

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From kcorbin at theiqgroup.com  Wed Mar  6 22:21:07 2002
From: kcorbin at theiqgroup.com (Kelly Corbin)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 15:21:07 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blank archive page
Message-ID: <3C868843.7090401@theiqgroup.com>

I just got Mailman up an running, ironed out most of the bugs, and I'm 
left with one small problem and one configuration question.  First of 
all, my archive index.html page is blank.  If I put another URL under 
that archive index tree like  /2002-March/, the page opens and I can 
read the archived messages.  Here's an/the error from the error log:

   Mar 06 15:00:02 2002 qrunner(14695): OSError: [Errno 2] No such file 
or directory: 
'/home/mailman/archives/private/kelly_test.mbox/kelly_test.mbox'

Why wouldn't that file be there, or rather should it be looking 
somewhere else?  I'm not using any external archiver; I only want to use 
  Mailman/Pipermail so I have

ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 0

in my mm_cfg.py

Any reason the main page would be blank?  I've deleted it and posted 
more messages only to have it come up blank again.

Also, is there a way to specify the hostname in the 'To:' field in 
messages sent from the list?  Instead of getting the list host, I get 
the mail server hostname.  I.E. a list is setup with lists.mydomain.com 
as the preferred host name running on server mailer.mydomain.com.  Mail 
sent to my_list at lists.mydomain.com is sent to list members with the 
'To:' field set to my_list at mailer.mydomain.com instead of 
my_list at lists.mydomain.com.  I know this is because the true hostname of 
the machine that is doing the mailing is mailer.mydomain.com, but is 
there a way to force the hostname to use the list hostname?

Thanks!

Kelly

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From michael at emjay.net  Wed Mar  6 22:51:06 2002
From: michael at emjay.net (Michael Johnson)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:51:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Mac OSX
In-Reply-To: <200203062007.g26K77cW016592@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <4349E4EF-314C-11D6-B16B-00039313F1F4@emjay.net>

On Wednesday, March 6, 2002, at 03:07 PM, Dan Mick wrote:

> 1) all the symptoms of any problem are important, in computers, 
> medicine,
> automobile repair, or psychology.  There are three problems above:

Correct...


> 1) the configure program can't open conftest.py
> 2) the cat program can't open conftest.out
> 3) the configure program can't find the mailman user.
>
> Since conftest.out strongly hints that it comes from conftest.py,
> and since the errors appear in that order, it would be eminently
> reasonable to assume that 1) causes 2) causes 3).
>
I noted this earlier this morning (EST).

> So let's stop talking about 2) and 3) and focus on 1).
>
Finally...

> *Why* can't ./configure open conftest.py?
>
This is the question I posted this morning.  I assumed it was a 
permissions problem and possibly assumed incorrectly causing me to ask 
the wrong question.

> To answer that question, obtain the following:
>
> 1) ls -ld of the containing directory ('.' in ./configure)
>
This bring up the following:

[smudette:~/mailman-2.0.8] mailman% ls -ld
drwxrwsr-x  33 4101  4101  1078 Nov 27 17:54 .

> 2) output of id *from the same state you're running ./configure*
> (i.e. run ./configure and see the failure, and then immediately
> run id at the next shell prompt)

[smudette:~/mailman-2.0.8] mailman% id
uid=5990(mailman) gid=0(wheel) groups=0(wheel), 5990(mailman)

To my non-mailman-expert eyes, it appears as though the user mailman 
with the UID of 5990 is in the groups wheel and mailman.  It also 
appears the directory containing the distro is owned by a phantom user 
(4101).

Now, to ask the same question again...

Is there a permissions problem based on the owner:group of 4101 on the 
distro and the owner:group I wish to run/install mailman as?  Is there a 
problem with the user 4101 (which doesn't exist on my system) trying to 
run configure or Python?  Where do I need to make the changes to get 
this going?

Hopefully, this time, the question is clearer and I can get mailman up 
and running some time very soon.

-Michael




From j.ambrose at zen.uq.edu.au  Tue Mar  5 03:36:11 2002
From: j.ambrose at zen.uq.edu.au (Johannes Ambrose)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 12:36:11 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hopefully a simple question
Message-ID: <3C842F1B.5030207@zen.uq.edu.au>

Hi,
Mailman suddenly won't let me subscribe new users or create new lists. I 
don't understand the messages in the error logs (various syntax errors, 
missing module etc). I wondered if I could just re-install over the top 
without losing the current lists and members.
Any clues?

regards

-- 
Johannes Ambrose 
Computer Systems Manager
School of Life Sciences 
University of Queensland, Brisbane Australia 
ph: 07 3365 4826 fax:3365 1655 mob: 0401 714 835





From rew at erebor.com  Tue Mar  5 21:02:40 2002
From: rew at erebor.com (Ryan Waldron)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:02:40 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Broken Links in http://www.list.org/MM21/faq.html
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0203051400400.22674-100000@kansas.erebor.com>

The two links to the MIME-stripping programs stripmime and demime are
broken.  The problem is that the period ending each line was included
inside the closing </A> tag, making the URL itself have a dot on the
end.

Threw me for a minute, so maybe whoever maintains the site could fix
that when they get a chance.

Thanks!

-- 
Ryan Waldron    |||   http://www.erebor.com    |||    rew at erebor.com

"The web goes ever, ever on, down from the site where it began..."




From kara at thecatbox.com  Tue Mar  5 21:53:11 2002
From: kara at thecatbox.com (kara at thecatbox.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:53:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no relaying
Message-ID: <3C84BFB7.5434.56E3CB4@localhost>

Hello,

I'm new to the whole Mailman thing, but I like it so far.  Unfortunately, I 
can't get any of the posts and I don't know why.

Symptoms:
- All of the admin/managemnt notices get sent (welcome to list, confirm 
subscription, etc.), but none of the mail sent to the lists get sent out to the 
members.

- This occurs whether or not the members are on the local system or not.

Setup:

Postfix - postfix-20011125-1SASL
Redhat 7.1
python-1.5.2-30


log/messages:

Mar  5 12:46:59 nigel CROND[16220]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/home/mailman/cron/qrunner) 
Mar  5 12:47:02 nigel postfix/smtpd[16221]: connect from 
mta7.pltn13.pbi.net[64.164.98.8]
Mar  5 12:47:02 nigel postfix/smtpd[16221]: 85E4C7EB5: 
client=mta7.pltn13.pbi.net[64.164.98.8]
Mar  5 12:47:02 nigel postfix/cleanup[16222]: 85E4C7EB5: message-
id=<3C84BE51.21874.568C707 at localhost>
Mar  5 12:47:02 nigel postfix/nqmgr[3271]: 85E4C7EB5: from=<xxx at xxx.net>, 
size=827, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Mar  5 12:47:02 nigel postfix/smtpd[16221]: disconnect from 
mta7.pltn13.pbi.net[64.164.98.8]

and I repeatedly get:

Mar  5 12:49:00 nigel CROND[16229]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S 
/home/mailman/cron/qrunner) 

every 1-2 minutes.


I am a hobbyist with no formal training in Linux (only what I've picked up over 
the last couple of years playing with it).  Everything else works fine.  
Postfix works with all my email accounts except not with Mailman.

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Thanks!
kara






From pandj at iprimus.com.au  Wed Mar  6 05:12:30 2002
From: pandj at iprimus.com.au (Paul Cook)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 15:12:30 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sponsorship message
Message-ID: <3C859729.E1E3F24F@iprimus.com.au>

Dear Sir,

I'm interested in starting a list due the expense of maintaining a
majodomo account.

However would like to know if it is possible to include a sponsorship
banner at the base of all email traffic...?

Thanks for your help.

--
Cheers,

Paul Cook
Editor/Publisher
DIRECTION Journal
PO Box 700
Highett VIC 3190
AUSTRALIA
fax/phone (61) 3 9502 3859
mailto:paul at directionjournal.com
http://www.directionjournal.com





From mglover at chem.ufl.edu  Wed Mar  6 19:28:18 2002
From: mglover at chem.ufl.edu (Matt Glover)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:28:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding a subscribeack.txt file
Message-ID: <20020306132818.A2850@madpenguin.chem.ufl.edu>

Hello Mailman gurus,

Is it possible to have more than one subscribeack.txt file?  I want to 
use the default file for normal lists, but I would like to change it 
for announce only lists.  Is this possible, and how would one do it?


Thanks,

	matt



From amiga at northcoast.com  Wed Mar  6 21:36:02 2002
From: amiga at northcoast.com (Kyala Shea)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 12:36:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribers to multiple lists
Message-ID: <3C867DB2.31E5914C@northcoast.com>

Hi,

I'm wondering how Mailman handles the following:

If a user is subscribed to five mailing lists and a message is sent to
all five of those lists, will the user receive five copies of the
message, or one?

I have majordomo installed, but as far as I can tell, there is no way to
get it to send only one message to the user in the above case, without
passing the message through an external address-parsing script.  If
Mailman can do this, I'd love to use it instead.

Any help is much appreciated.

Thanks,
Kyala





From ceyhun at robot.metu.edu.tr  Thu Mar  7 00:25:41 2002
From: ceyhun at robot.metu.edu.tr (Ceyhun Kirmizitas)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 01:25:41 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restore mailman from backup?
In-Reply-To: <E16ikmO-0005ma-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0203070125170.21964-100000@robot.metu.edu.tr>

I have backup all mailman directory.
I reinstalled RH 7.2 with mailman.
Now I want to restore all my mail list and archives.
How can I do this?
Thnx





From jonc at haht.com  Thu Mar  7 00:35:34 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:35:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restore mailman from backup?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0203070125170.21964-100000@robot.metu.edu.tr>
Message-ID: <000801c1c567$9d0f8d30$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Assuming you simply re-installing to the same OS and distro, you don't have
to re-install mailman, simply copy the backup in place.
Make sure that the user and group mailman both exist and have the same
values as before.
You will have to restore your /etc/aliases file (or whatever your MTA used
for interpreting Mailman lists), and run newaliases.
You will need to restore your /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf file - the
configuration file for your web browser.  Or you will have to re-add the
site information into your new config files.
You will have to restore the crontab for the user mailman with all the
entries for Mailman.

I think that about covers it.  Good Luck - Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ceyhun Kirmizitas" <ceyhun at robot.metu.edu.tr>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 6:25 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restore mailman from backup?


> I have backup all mailman directory.
> I reinstalled RH 7.2 with mailman.
> Now I want to restore all my mail list and archives.
> How can I do this?
> Thnx
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From jonc at haht.com  Thu Mar  7 00:38:11 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:38:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribers to multiple lists
References: <3C867DB2.31E5914C@northcoast.com>
Message-ID: <001001c1c567$fa9581d0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kyala Shea" <amiga at northcoast.com>

> Hi,
>
> I'm wondering how Mailman handles the following:
>
> If a user is subscribed to five mailing lists and a message is sent to
> all five of those lists, will the user receive five copies of the
> message, or one?

5 copies

>
> I have majordomo installed, but as far as I can tell, there is no way to
> get it to send only one message to the user in the above case, without
> passing the message through an external address-parsing script.  If
> Mailman can do this, I'd love to use it instead.

While mailman does not do this, you can create "Umbrella-like" lists (using
scripts) that create meta-lists with each person only in it once.

>
> Any help is much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Kyala
>





From jonc at haht.com  Thu Mar  7 00:44:54 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:44:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hopefully a simple question
References: <3C842F1B.5030207@zen.uq.edu.au>
Message-ID: <002201c1c568$eac5d970$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Johannes, you have accidentally sent your message to the "non-psychic"
mailman users list.  You meant to send yours to the "Psychic Friends of
Mailman" users list.  They are the ones who can answer your questions
without you posting your version of mailman and the error messages from your
logs.

Thanks,

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Johannes Ambrose" <j.ambrose at zen.uq.edu.au>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 9:36 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hopefully a simple question


> Hi,
> Mailman suddenly won't let me subscribe new users or create new lists. I
> don't understand the messages in the error logs (various syntax errors,
> missing module etc). I wondered if I could just re-install over the top
> without losing the current lists and members.
> Any clues?
>
> regards
>
> --
> Johannes Ambrose
> Computer Systems Manager
> School of Life Sciences
> University of Queensland, Brisbane Australia
> ph: 07 3365 4826 fax:3365 1655 mob: 0401 714 835
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From jb at cascade-sys.com  Thu Mar  7 01:16:44 2002
From: jb at cascade-sys.com (James J. Besemer)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:16:44 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sponsorship message
References: <3C859729.E1E3F24F@iprimus.com.au>
Message-ID: <3C86B16C.F3FD7D21@cascade-sys.com>

Paul Cook wrote:

> However would like to know if it is possible to include a sponsorship
> banner at the base of all email traffic...?

You mean something like the following (automatically attached to YOUR
post by Mailman):

> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

If so, then yes.

--
James J. Besemer  503-280-0838 voice
http://cascade-sys.com  503-280-0375 fax
mailto:jb at cascade-sys.com





From jb at cascade-sys.com  Thu Mar  7 01:19:04 2002
From: jb at cascade-sys.com (James J. Besemer)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:19:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hopefully a simple question
References: <3C842F1B.5030207@zen.uq.edu.au> <002201c1c568$eac5d970$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <3C86B1F8.647C6A4@cascade-sys.com>

Jon Carnes wrote:

> Johannes, you have accidentally sent your message to the "non-psychic"
> mailman users list.  [...]

;o)

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Johannes Ambrose" <j.ambrose at ZEN.uq.edu.au>

It must be an old habbit from his ZEN training.... ;o)

--jb

--
James J. Besemer  503-280-0838 voice
http://cascade-sys.com  503-280-0375 fax
mailto:jb at cascade-sys.com





From ceyhun at robot.metu.edu.tr  Thu Mar  7 02:35:48 2002
From: ceyhun at robot.metu.edu.tr (Ceyhun Kirmizitas)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 03:35:48 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman admin password?
In-Reply-To: <002201c1c568$eac5d970$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0203070334180.2078-100000@robot.metu.edu.tr>

I forgot mailman admin password
How can I learn this password?





From johnsonamichael at qwest.net  Thu Mar  7 04:01:31 2002
From: johnsonamichael at qwest.net (Michael Johnson)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:01:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman admin password?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0203070334180.2078-100000@robot.metu.edu.tr>
Message-ID: <NBEDIDMNHNJJPNOFMJHLEELCEDAA.johnsonamichael@qwest.net>

You can reset it with mmsitepass can't you? Are you admin of your own list?
Sorry if this seems like an obtuse question.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Ceyhun Kirmizitas
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 5:36 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman admin password?
>
>
> I forgot mailman admin password
> How can I learn this password?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>
>





From barry at zope.com  Thu Mar  7 04:47:29 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:47:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Broken Links in http://www.list.org/MM21/faq.html
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0203051400400.22674-100000@kansas.erebor.com>
Message-ID: <15494.58065.419455.299186@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "RW" == Ryan Waldron <rew at erebor.com> writes:

    RW> The two links to the MIME-stripping programs stripmime and
    RW> demime are broken.  The problem is that the period ending each
    RW> line was included inside the closing </A> tag, making the URL
    RW> itself have a dot on the end.

    RW> Threw me for a minute, so maybe whoever maintains the site
    RW> could fix that when they get a chance.

Fixed in CVS and it'll be fixed on the web site the next time I push
those pages out.

Thanks,
-Barry



From barry at zope.com  Thu Mar  7 04:50:06 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:50:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribers to multiple lists
References: <3C867DB2.31E5914C@northcoast.com>
Message-ID: <15494.58222.374572.709199@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "KS" == Kyala Shea <amiga at northcoast.com> writes:

    KS> I'm wondering how Mailman handles the following:

    KS> If a user is subscribed to five mailing lists and a message is
    KS> sent to all five of those lists, will the user receive five
    KS> copies of the message, or one?

In MM2.0.x the user will get 5 copies.  There is a possibility that
MM2.1 will allow the user to select that they only get one copy.  Ben
and Dan submitted a patch that gets 1/2 way there but I rejected the
other half for a minor technical reason (with encouragement to try
again. :).

-Barry



From tjalling.kikkert at stageholding.nl  Thu Mar  7 10:37:05 2002
From: tjalling.kikkert at stageholding.nl (Tjalling Kikkert)
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 10:37:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] withlist script help wanted
Message-ID: <fc.0064ba7400381b100064ba7400381b10.381b76@stageholding.nl>

Hi there,

I want to change one option (remove the "plain text option") for all the
users in a list 1 go instead of going through them one by one via the web
interface. Can someone point me in the right direction or a source where I
can find an example script?

Tjalling Kikkert
ICT De Reserveerlijn
tel: 0297 - 380 899

Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors.




From dojai at ufv.br  Thu Mar  7 16:14:01 2002
From: dojai at ufv.br (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Eduardo_J=2E_Quir=F3s_B=2E=22?=)
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 12:14:01 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] recovering old emails
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020307121028.009ec7a0@mail.ufv.br>

I?ve looked around the list archives, the mailman homepages and using 
google on how can I get mailman to send me again an old email.
I haven't found a way to get the archives in their original format, wath I 
get is a txt file containing the mime attachs.
Nowdays it's ultracommon to have figures, html etc in a email and I need to 
recover old emails.

Is there a way or a soft or plug-in that does this?
thanks




From dreamboy at aros.net  Thu Mar  7 22:02:30 2002
From: dreamboy at aros.net (Devin Atencio)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:02:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Mailman to Auto Accept New Users?
Message-ID: <HPELJEHMNBKHOOGCDOFNKEMOCCAA.dreamboy@aros.net>

I just installed Mailman 2.0.8 and it seems to be running
just fine. I added a mailinglist and when I had a friend
subscribe to the group, it sent him the confirmation e-mail,
then once he sent the e-mail back it e-mailed me but didn't
automatically add him to the list, is there a way to do that?



From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Thu Mar  7 22:05:08 2002
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:05:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Mac OSX
Message-ID: <200203072105.g27L59cW011998@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> > *Why* can't ./configure open conftest.py?
> >
> > To answer that question, obtain the following:
> >
> > 1) ls -ld of the containing directory ('.' in ./configure)
> >
> This bring up the following:
> 
> [smudette:~/mailman-2.0.8] mailman% ls -ld
> drwxrwsr-x  33 4101  4101  1078 Nov 27 17:54 .

This is bad.  How did you get unpacked source that's not owned
by any known user or group?

Once again, I refer you to INSTALL, section 2.  Let me quote and
emphasize this time:

    You should not be root while performing the steps in this section.
    Do them under your own login, or whatever account you typically
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    install software as.  You do not need to do these steps as user
    mailman, but you could.

    Make sure that you have write permissions to the target
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    installation directory, and permission to create a setgid file in
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    the file system where it resides (NFS and other mounts can be
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    configured to inhibit setgid settings).

> > 2) output of id *from the same state you're running ./configure*
> > (i.e. run ./configure and see the failure, and then immediately
> > run id at the next shell prompt)
> 
> [smudette:~/mailman-2.0.8] mailman% id
> uid=5990(mailman) gid=0(wheel) groups=0(wheel), 5990(mailman)

User 'mailman' and group 'mailman' clearly do not have permission
to write '.'.  This is clearly the problem.  It has nothing at all
do to with Mailman, configure, or Python; this is strictly
a Unix file-permissions issue.  If this still makes no sense
to you, I recommend getting some help from a more-experienced
Unix administrator local to you so you can have the back-and-forth
that will clarify the issue.

> To my non-mailman-expert eyes, it appears as though the user mailman 
> with the UID of 5990 is in the groups wheel and mailman.  It also 
> appears the directory containing the distro is owned by a phantom user 
> (4101).
> 
> Now, to ask the same question again...
> 
> Is there a permissions problem based on the owner:group of 4101 on the 
> distro and the owner:group I wish to run/install mailman as?  Is there a 
> problem with the user 4101 (which doesn't exist on my system) trying to 
> run configure or Python?  Where do I need to make the changes to get 
> this going?

You need to change the ownership and group of the sources before you
start.  I always own the mailman sources with my own uid and group;
it's only the installation process that sets the real final
'mailman' and 'gid' permissions.
 
> Hopefully, this time, the question is clearer and I can get mailman up 
> and running some time very soon.

Every line in INSTALL should be treated as important information, all
the more so if you don't fully understand it.




From wheakory at isu.edu  Fri Mar  8 00:02:29 2002
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 16:02:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman undeliverable message
Message-ID: <3C87F185.744E2DED@isu.edu>

If there is an invalid email address in one of my mailing lists, can
mailman send back a
message to the sender that this message is undelivered, to this certain
invalid email address. I know it posts the invalid email address in
mailman/logs/bounce , but how can the sender get notified about who did
not receive the message.

Please respond to wheakory at isu.edu

--
#########################################
Kory Wheatley
Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
Phone 282-3874
#########################################
Everything must point to him.





From barry at zope.com  Fri Mar  8 00:14:02 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:14:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] forwarded message from Lisa M. Opus Goldstein
Message-ID: <15495.62522.11772.833283@anthem.wooz.org>


Here's a great way to help with Mailman even if you don't fancy
yourself a hacker.  Documentation, as always, lags far behind.  I'd be
happy to work with someone (or perhaps a group of someones), on the
technical side, but a good technical writer I'm not.

-Barry

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From barry at zope.com  Fri Mar  8 00:17:39 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:17:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] forwarded message from Hye-Shik Chang
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Do we have anybody who could do a Korean translation for Mailman?

-Barry

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From greybeard at pobox.com  Fri Mar  8 00:44:01 2002
From: greybeard at pobox.com (William Waggoner)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:44:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Mac OSX
References: <200203072105.g27L59cW011998@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <001401c1c631$f77dd2c0$0401a8c0@greybeard.org>

Hmmm, I had the same situation but I noticed it before I tried anything and
just chown'd it all.  I didn't look any further because I knew how to fix
it.  I don't _think_ I untarred as root.  My only thought (fleeting at that)
was that it was an artifact of being a bz2 tarball.

----
Bill W
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Mick" <dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM>
To: <dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM>; <michael at emjay.net>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Mac OSX


> > [smudette:~/mailman-2.0.8] mailman% ls -ld
> > drwxrwsr-x  33 4101  4101  1078 Nov 27 17:54 .
>
> This is bad.  How did you get unpacked source that's not owned
> by any known user or group?





From James.Madill at duke.edu  Fri Mar  8 03:43:38 2002
From: James.Madill at duke.edu (James Madill)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 21:43:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can you set a list's password via the command line?
Message-ID: <OF58C7F85E.CA4DC9EA-ON85256B76.000E9934@mc.duke.edu>

In moving the 175 mailing lists from one machine (version 2.0.1)  to 
another (version 2.0.8), all of the list passwords are no longer working.

Is there a way to set a list's password via the command line?  I'd hate to 
have to manually set each one & send it to the list admin(s).

-- James

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From valites at geneseo.edu  Fri Mar  8 03:59:48 2002
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 21:59:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can you set a list's password via the command line?
In-Reply-To: <OF58C7F85E.CA4DC9EA-ON85256B76.000E9934@mc.duke.edu>
Message-ID: <8D3B6E8D-3240-11D6-8B03-00039319DA20@geneseo.edu>

I replied off the list last to to a similar post.  When I moved my ~475 
lists, I hit the same problem.
What I ended up doing was:

foreach list in lists
do
	dumpdb $list/config.db | grep admin_password_line | some awk (to 
rip out the password column) | some sed (to get rid of some funky 
characters) > $listname_file
done

foreach list in lists
do
	config_list -i $listname_file
done

This worked fairly well.  40 or so out of the ~475 at the time didn't 
take & I had to manually fix the files, or just reset the passwords.  It 
wasn't that hard, and I just did it all from the shell prompt, but I 
might be able to dig it up if you really need me to.

I am of course, interested in a more *proper* way of doing this.

On Thursday, March 7, 2002, at 09:43 PM, James Madill wrote:

>
> In moving the 175 mailing lists from one machine (version 2.0.1) ?to 
> another (version 2.0.8), all of the list passwords are no longer 
> working.
>
> Is there a way to set a list's password via the command line? ?I'd hate 
> to have to manually set each one & send it to the list admin(s).
>
> -- James
>
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From colk at ixswr.org  Fri Mar  8 04:52:00 2002
From: colk at ixswr.org (The Fadm Colk)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 22:52:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with Qmail and virtual Domain
Message-ID: <002601c1c654$9a1f9c80$d5b02341@tampabay.rr.com>

I co run an ISP and I would like to use mailman for the list manager for all
the domains we also use vpopmail and vqadmin for the admin interface I would
like to know what is the easiet way to get everything working A ok we have
one domain thats not managed by vpopmail  and that works fine but I would
rather not have the users have to add aliases to somelist-*@domain.com in
their domains I would rather it was added auto. README.QMAIL helped an
little but not all the way




From e.howard at mra.org.uk  Wed Mar  6 10:47:27 2002
From: e.howard at mra.org.uk (E Howard)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:47:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Majordomo-style email based commands; moderated virus
 check; Re: Mail merge? (Jon Carnes); mailman-users digest headers
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020306111139.01bcab70@mail.mra.org.uk>

I am new to Mailman, which I like on the whole, having used Majordomo, and 
have been reading this mailing list (as a digest), which is really useful 
(but see 3) thank you.

1. I would like email commands to do my admindb approvals. Is there any 
way? Next version?

2. In a moderated list posting, how can I tell if the messages (perhaps 
with an attachment or embedded content) is virus free? The only way I can 
think of is to have each message sent to my address when it arrives at the 
mailing list server.

3. Our private list members are people we know and converting from 
Majordomo to Mailman 2.0.8 I have to keep a separate record of the name and 
e-mail. Any workarounds to capture this info? I am told version 2.1 is 
addressing this but I don't know how long I will have to wait

4. In _this_ mailing list each message in the digest contains ALL the 
headers such as
List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
Isn't it possible to limit the headers of the individual messages within a 
digest to From: Date: and Subject:? After all, we have all that at the top 
of the digest.

Edward Howard 




From mbrenner at naviant.com  Fri Mar  8 08:21:33 2002
From: mbrenner at naviant.com (Michael C. Brenner)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 02:21:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] the "subscribe" button failed to deliver email. How 2 debug?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020308021629.02659420@phlpop.naviant.com>

I just installed mailman on a FreeBSD 4.4 system with qmail.

I created a new list and received an email that it was created.

I went to the info page and tried to subscribe.

The subscribe script ran okay because the subscribe request is in the 
pending queue. There is a non descript bounce error.

How do I find out and fix the problem that subscribe is having with sending 
mail?

Tnx
MB




From lil at QHTimes.com  Fri Mar  8 20:12:41 2002
From: lil at QHTimes.com (Lil Peck, QHTimes.com Quarter Horse community)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:12:41 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to fix a "bad subscription"
Message-ID: <001401c1c6d5$38a8ba00$79fea8c0@lilpeck>

I mistakenly entered a subscription on one of my lists in this way:
example(at)example.com persons_name

This causes some minor error messages for list administration, and it seems to be impossible to simply unsubscribe the example at example_persons_name address.
--Lil
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Mar  8 21:15:05 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:15:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to fix a "bad subscription"
In-Reply-To: <001401c1c6d5$38a8ba00$79fea8c0@lilpeck>
References: <001401c1c6d5$38a8ba00$79fea8c0@lilpeck>
Message-ID: <0c6780014200832FE8@mail8.nc.rr.com>

 --- Original Message: Friday 08 March 2002 02:12 pm ---
> I mistakenly entered a subscription on one of my lists in this way:
> example(at)example.com persons_name
>
> This causes some minor error messages for list administration, and it seems
> to be impossible to simply unsubscribe the example at example_persons_name
> address. --Lil

Folks have had good luck with using: 
  example(at)example.com\ persons_name

Give it a shot!

Jon Carnes



From jorge at logical.net.mx  Fri Mar  8 23:13:33 2002
From: jorge at logical.net.mx (Jorge Cuevas)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:13:33 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply Question
Message-ID: <002301c1c6ee$7d1e5320$8a00a8c0@caveman>

Hello everybody,

I have a question, that I consider tha has been asked before, but I wasn't able to find it on the internet nor in the mailman-user list.

Is it possible to configure mailman so when you press the reply button, the reply goes to the sender of the mail, and if you press the reply-all button it goes to ONLY the list?

Or probably there's a way so although you send the mail to both the sender and the list, mailman can take away any repeated address in the To and CC fields. 

What I'm trying to avoid is the double message to the poster of a mail.

Thanks in advance.


Jorge
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From webmaster at freesources.org  Thu Mar  7 13:25:08 2002
From: webmaster at freesources.org (Webmaster)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:25:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to set up a world-writable list.
In-Reply-To: <20020306132303.070d1d5f.freymann@scaryg.shacknet.nu>
References: <20020306125616.GA2253@jonas.server0.de> <20020306132303.070d1d5f.freymann@scaryg.shacknet.nu>
Message-ID: <20020307122508.GA1175@jonas.server0.de>

On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 01:23:03PM -0500, ScaryG wrote:
> > How can I set up a list where everyone can write?
> 
>  How about logging into the administrative web page,
>  Click on Privacy Options
>  Scroll down..
>  Set Must posts Be Approved by Administrator to NO
>  SEt Restrict posting only to List Members to NO
>  That should do it. Basic stuff though.

No, it doesn't work. I don't know why, but I get a message that I have
to approve the posts.

Bye
 Jonas

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From sysadm at stockholmpride.org  Thu Mar  7 17:15:10 2002
From: sysadm at stockholmpride.org (System Administrator)
Date: 07 Mar 2002 17:15:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hiya!
Message-ID: <1015517716.29444.97.camel@q>

Hi!

  Been checking out the mailman listserver (and installed it too),
  though there is one thing I've been trying to figure out but not
  succeeded to yet...

  Is there any way to include for instance a printout of a user's
  password on the pagefooter on every message sent to a list?

  This is the situation....

    We're using mailman for a public newsletter which solely
    is used as a one-way information channel.

    We want user's to easily be able to subscribe to it,
    and having to verify their email address - which works
    fine today...

    But we also wants it to be easy for the member to unsubscribe
    from the list... most members won't remeber their passwords
    (and we don't wan't to send out a monthly reminder on this
    list).

    In stead we would like to have an appendix on the message when
    sent out looking something like:

    --quote--
    ________________________________________________________________
    You're receiving this mail since you are subscribed to our
    newsletter mailinglist. Should you wish to unsubscribe
    please send an email to: ...... with the text
    unsubscribe %(username)s %(password)
    as the subject of the mail.

    --end quote--
    where of course %(username)s and %(password)s would be
    substituted with the real username and password of the recipient.


   Can this be done?

Sincerely,
Eigil Jonsson-L?fborg
System administrator





From devin at whatyoulookingat.net  Fri Mar  8 00:42:16 2002
From: devin at whatyoulookingat.net (Devin)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 23:42:16 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem getting mailman to work.
Message-ID: <20020307233451.M62582-100000@stardust.phpcodeguru.com>

I am running FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE, Sendmail 8.11.6, and
I installed mailman into /home/mailman. Everything seems to work
ok but I am having a problem.

I created a test mailinglist, and then i tried to subscribe another
e-mail address and I get the first message asking me to hit reply
and send the message back to test-request at phpcodeguru.com. I notice
that when I send the reply back with the auth code in it, it just
ends up in my mailbox, it doesn't automatically add the user to
the mailinglist?

I ran ./check_perms and it said that it didn't find any problems.

I am wondering if for some reason my sendmail isn't doing the wrapper
correctly, but I don't see anything that indiciates a problem? I notice
it talks about making some link, but I don't understand that?

Any help please?






From jorge at logical.net.mx  Fri Mar  8 23:18:40 2002
From: jorge at logical.net.mx (Jorge Cuevas)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:18:40 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply Question
Message-ID: <003501c1c6ef$3f4abab0$8a00a8c0@caveman>

Hello everybody,

I have a question, that I consider tha has been asked before, but I =
wasn't able to find it on the internet nor in the mailman-user list.

Is it possible to configure mailman so when you press the reply button, =
the reply goes to the sender of the mail, and if you press the reply-all =
button it goes to ONLY the list?

Or probably there's a way so although you send the mail to both the =
sender and the list, mailman can take away any repeated address in the =
To and CC fields.=20

What I'm trying to avoid is the double message to the poster of a mail.

Thanks in advance.


Jorge





From lil at QHTimes.com  Fri Mar  8 23:32:56 2002
From: lil at QHTimes.com (Lil Peck, QHTimes.com Quarter Horse community)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:32:56 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to use commands via email
References: <E16jNk3-0005vp-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <016c01c1c6f1$329db9a0$79fea8c0@lilpeck>

Is there a "this is how to do it, stupid" guide to how to send commands via
email. None of the variations I've tried so far seem to work, and I'm
finding the "help" command to be cryptic.
I need step-by-step instructions, mostly for the benefit of my list members
to the effect of:
To set your subscription to Digest via email:
1. click "create mail."
2. address the email to:
3. write this subject:
4. write this in the message body:
5. end the message with "end or --" w/o the quote marks

--Lil




From zmoelnig at iem.kug.ac.at  Sat Mar  9 01:14:55 2002
From: zmoelnig at iem.kug.ac.at (IOhannes m zmoelnig)
Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 01:14:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing users
Message-ID: <3C8953FF.3030607@iem.kug.ac.at>

hi !

I just have set up several lists with the mailman.
easy task! great !

but:
how can i (the administrator) unsubscribe "unwanted" users ?
there does not seem to be an interface for such a task.
am i missing something obvious ???

mfg.as.raas
IOhannes




From sammy1 at tampabay.rr.com  Sat Mar  9 01:51:14 2002
From: sammy1 at tampabay.rr.com (Sam Williams)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:51:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bi-Monthly Reminders
Message-ID: <019f01c1c704$83a882e0$0d02a8c0@staffleasing.com>

Hi everyone!

I am new to this list, but am currently admining a system using Mailman.  We
just changed our servers over one of the problems is that it changed the
individuals passwords.  Since we did the conversion on March 1, the old
system went ahead and sent out the monthly reminders to all the subscribers
and they contained their old passwords - not the ones for the new server.
Also, the person maintaining the system left late last year and I know he
edited sending out reminder messages from once a month to twice a month.

We send out reminder messages - twice a month.

1)  How do we send out an immediate reminder message to get the correct
passwords out?
2)  How can we edit how often the reminder messages are sent?

Thanks!!!!

Sammy Williams




From ashley at pcraft.com  Sat Mar  9 02:04:14 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 18:04:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bi-Monthly Reminders
References: <019f01c1c704$83a882e0$0d02a8c0@staffleasing.com>
Message-ID: <3C895F8E.F66C5E19@pcraft.com>

Sam Williams wrote:

> 1)  How do we send out an immediate reminder message to get the correct
> passwords out?
> 2)  How can we edit how often the reminder messages are sent?

    Password reminders are done through the crontab:

# 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds


    You can manually trigger it now so that it sends out the current (new) passwords out, and then adjust the crontab to send the passwords out twice a month.  Read 'man crontab' (or man 5 crontab) for more help.

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From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Sat Mar  9 02:35:44 2002
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 17:35:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hiya!
In-Reply-To: <1015517716.29444.97.camel@q>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203081734240.14958-100000@localhost>

On Mar 7, 2002 at 17:15, System Administrator wrote:

>  Is there any way to include for instance a printout of a user's
>  password on the pagefooter on every message sent to a list?

I think at the moment recipient-specific footers are impossible.

>    But we also wants it to be easy for the member to unsubscribe
>    from the list... most members won't remeber their passwords
>    (and we don't wan't to send out a monthly reminder on this
>    list).

There are patches, contribs, add-ins, wrappers to do this. One is at
http://satya.virtualave.net/download.html#mailmanw

-- 
Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
Send the black helicopters.




From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Sat Mar  9 02:36:20 2002
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 17:36:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing users
In-Reply-To: <3C8953FF.3030607@iem.kug.ac.at>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203081735480.14958-100000@localhost>

On Mar 9, 2002 at 01:14, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

>how can i (the administrator) unsubscribe "unwanted" users ?
>there does not seem to be an interface for such a task.

Uncheck the "subscribed" checkbox in the user list.

>am i missing something obvious ???

Yes.

-- 
Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
"shutdown -halt now" - The final word in network security tools.




From jwblist at olympus.net  Sat Mar  9 03:13:21 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:13:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing users
In-Reply-To: <3C8953FF.3030607@iem.kug.ac.at>
References: <3C8953FF.3030607@iem.kug.ac.at>
Message-ID: <p0510150ab8af1d451b1c@[207.149.192.229]>

At 1:14 +0100 3/9/2002, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
>but:
>how can i (the administrator) unsubscribe "unwanted" users ?
>there does not seem to be an interface for such a task.
>am i missing something obvious ???

No.

That is, you aren't missing anything obvious.  The method is not obvious
until after you know it.  In the administrator's Membership Management page,
    find the address in the list,
    uncheck the "subscr" column for the address
        (whose heading has likely scrolled off the top), and
    submit your changes

If you have access to the command line, as the mailman user, on the server,
you can use
   .../bin/remove_members
to remove many members at once [or just one, for that matter].  Without
that access, you're stuck in the web tool.

  --John

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Sat Mar  9 05:45:38 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 20:45:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply Question
In-Reply-To: <002301c1c6ee$7d1e5320$8a00a8c0@caveman>; from jorge@logical.net.mx on Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 04:13:33PM -0600
References: <002301c1c6ee$7d1e5320$8a00a8c0@caveman>
Message-ID: <20020308204538.D3012@merlins.org>

On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 04:13:33PM -0600, Jorge Cuevas wrote:
> Hello everybody,
> 
> I have a question, that I consider tha has been asked before, but I wasn't
> able to find it on the internet nor in the mailman-user list.
> 
> Is it  possible to configure mailman  so when you press  the reply button,
> the reply goes to  the sender of the mail, and if  you press the reply-all
> button it goes to ONLY the list?
 
No. The mail  client sends a  copy to the  author, mailman can't  stop that.
However, if the mail client is mutt, or some similarily enlightened MUA, you
can use list  reply to, and if  you insert a Mail-Followup-To,  you can clue
the client to have reply to all only reply to the list.
 
> Or probably there's a way so although you send the mail to both the sender
> and the list, mailman can take away  any repeated address in the To and CC
> fields.
 
Yes.
You're in  luck, I just  ported a patch from  Ben Gertzfield to  mailman cvs
(and it got included, thanks Barry) that does just that.

If you  don't want  to upgrade  to mailman-cvs quite  yet (it  is definitely
useable although a few smaller functions or buttons sometimes get broken for
a day or two),  I think Ben initially wrote his patch  for mailman 2.0 (look
in the archives)
 
Marc
-- 
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                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
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From alex at phred.org  Sat Mar  9 17:20:52 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 08:20:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply Question
In-Reply-To: <20020308204538.D3012@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <20020309081413.I53579-100000@phred.org>

On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Marc MERLIN wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 04:13:33PM -0600, Jorge Cuevas wrote:
> > Is it  possible to configure mailman  so when you press  the reply button,
> > the reply goes to  the sender of the mail, and if  you press the reply-all
> > button it goes to ONLY the list?
>
> No. The mail  client sends a  copy to the  author, mailman can't  stop that.
> However, if the mail client is mutt, or some similarily enlightened MUA, you
> can use list  reply to, and if  you insert a Mail-Followup-To,  you can clue
> the client to have reply to all only reply to the list.

Mailman could look at the To and Cc lines of the message and make sure
it doesn't sent to members which are listed on those lines.  This
would result in each person getting one copy, either from the list or
from the sender who hit "reply to all".

There would be a downside to this.  The to line could be spoofed if
you wanted to send something to the list and prevent it from going to
a particular sender.

Ideally this would be a per-client setting.  A lot of email systems
will delete duplicate emails with the same Message-ID so someone who
is on the To line and on the list doesn't see the message twice
anyway.  My email comes into an Exchange 2000 Server which I access
using Pine over IMAP.  Exchange deletes the duplicates, and Pine is
setup to color email with my name in the To or Cc line a different
color.  On busy lists this makes it easy for me to see replies to
messages that I sent to a list, and I don't get duplicates.

alex




From paul-l at integration.qc.ca  Sat Mar  9 21:12:27 2002
From: paul-l at integration.qc.ca (Paul-Catalin Oros)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 15:12:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to set up a world-writable list.
In-Reply-To: <20020307122508.GA1175@jonas.server0.de>
References: <20020306125616.GA2253@jonas.server0.de> <20020306132303.070d1d5f.freymann@scaryg.shacknet.nu> <20020307122508.GA1175@jonas.server0.de>
Message-ID: <20020309201227.GJ90165@koala.integration.qc.ca>

Go to the page:

http://www.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html

And search for "Posting privileges explained". It says that if you have
implicitly approved people and set the "Posting restricted to list members" to
"No", then only the listed people will be able to post. Might this be your
problem as well?

I personally think the way this work is not really clean nor very obvious, but
that's a bit beside the point, I guess.

Regards,

		  Paul

On Thu, 07 Mar 2002, Webmaster wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 01:23:03PM -0500, ScaryG wrote:
> > > How can I set up a list where everyone can write?
> > 
> >  How about logging into the administrative web page,
> >  Click on Privacy Options
> >  Scroll down..
> >  Set Must posts Be Approved by Administrator to NO
> >  SEt Restrict posting only to List Members to NO
> >  That should do it. Basic stuff though.
> 
> No, it doesn't work. I don't know why, but I get a message that I have
> to approve the posts.
> 
> Bye
>  Jonas
> 
> -- 
> Du willst einen Windows-PC als Gateway f?r ein NetBSD-System
> benutzen? Benutzt du auch N?gel, um einen Hammer in die Wand zu
> schlagen?    --    Phillipp Schulte in doc
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From greybeard at pobox.com  Sun Mar 10 01:42:55 2002
From: greybeard at pobox.com (William Waggoner)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 19:42:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filtering postings
Message-ID: <00f401c1c7cc$87d4a380$0401a8c0@greybeard.org>

I am converting from majordomo to mailman, mostly for the benefit of the integrated web pages as well as the promise of the new archiving features.  I'm running 2.0.8 right now.

What I'd like to do is to add to the admin filtering capabilities to be able to filter on messages, for instance, that contain the phrase /virus warning/i  or similar phrases.

I admit I haven't dug into 2.1 yet as I wanted to get my production lists up on 2.0.8 first.  I didn't want to expose them to a beta release.  So if this is something in 2.1 or the wish list then just let me know.

I'm also interested in getting involved in the development of mailman.  I have a long background (30 years, really!) in systems programming, what's the "right" way to become involved?  Off-list replies to this topic would be appreciated.

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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Sun Mar 10 04:14:39 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 19:14:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply Question
In-Reply-To: <20020309081413.I53579-100000@phred.org>; from alex@phred.org on Sat, Mar 09, 2002 at 08:20:52AM -0800
References: <20020308204538.D3012@merlins.org> <20020309081413.I53579-100000@phred.org>
Message-ID: <20020309191439.A16205@merlins.org>

On Sat, Mar 09, 2002 at 08:20:52AM -0800, alex wetmore wrote:
> > No. The mail  client sends a  copy to the  author, mailman can't  stop that.
> > However, if the mail client is mutt, or some similarily enlightened MUA, you
> > can use list  reply to, and if  you insert a Mail-Followup-To,  you can clue
> > the client to have reply to all only reply to the list.
> 
> Mailman could look at the To and Cc lines of the message and make sure
> it doesn't sent to members which are listed on those lines.  This
> would result in each person getting one copy, either from the list or
> from the sender who hit "reply to all".
 
That's  what I  was saying,  it's  an option  Ben  wrote and  that just  got
included in mailman cvs
 
> There would be a downside to this.  The to line could be spoofed if
> you wanted to send something to the list and prevent it from going to
> a particular sender.

Yep.
The option  is not  automatic, it's per  user, so you  choose which  one you
prefer.
If  you have  a clue  and you're  on unix,  you can  use procmail  to remove
duplicates on your side.

> Ideally this would be a per-client setting.  A lot of email systems
> will delete duplicate emails with the same Message-ID so someone who

Really? I wasn't aware of that.
(I think that  very few Email systems  do this. Exchange is the  first one I
hear of  that does that according  to what you  say. This is by the  way not
necessarily something you  want. If I bounce you a message  of mine that you
lost, you'll never receive the copy)

> is on the To line and on the list doesn't see the message twice
> anyway.  My email comes into an Exchange 2000 Server which I access
> using Pine over IMAP.  Exchange deletes the duplicates, and Pine is

Mmmmhh, why do I have outlook users whining that they can't handle the fact
that they were receiving dupes and that they had no way (they said) to
remove them.
Granted, all of them don't use exchange, but...

Marc
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From paul at mail.me.maar.nu  Sun Mar 10 11:37:39 2002
From: paul at mail.me.maar.nu (Paul de Weerd)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 11:37:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delivery failure 'Domain not found'
Message-ID: <20020310103739.GP6861@potato.amsterdam.weirdnet.nl>

Hi list,

We've recently moved our list to mailman. Unfortunately some addresses
on the list fail, but mailman tries to send it anyway every 5 minutes
resulting in a mail from postfix to the postmaster each 5 minutes for
one week, totalling 2016 mails per failed address per mail to the
list.

Of course I could change the postfix configuration to not send mail on
failed mails, but I'd prefer to fix mailman not to try and send e-mail
to domains it can't find the first time - if an MX record for a domain
is not found, delete the user from the list and don't try again.

Currently our list is quite low volume, but I'd rather not have
postfix deny a couple of thousand mails each day when the list grows
more active.

Any thoughts ?

TIA

Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd

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From alex at phred.org  Sun Mar 10 16:30:03 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 07:30:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply Question
In-Reply-To: <20020309191439.A16205@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <20020310072339.R53579-100000@phred.org>

On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Marc MERLIN wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 09, 2002 at 08:20:52AM -0800, alex wetmore wrote:
> > > No. The mail  client sends a  copy to the  author, mailman can't  stop that.
> > > However, if the mail client is mutt, or some similarily enlightened MUA, you
> > > can use list  reply to, and if  you insert a Mail-Followup-To,  you can clue
> > > the client to have reply to all only reply to the list.
> >
> > Mailman could look at the To and Cc lines of the message and make sure
> > it doesn't sent to members which are listed on those lines.  This
> > would result in each person getting one copy, either from the list or
> > from the sender who hit "reply to all".
>
> That's  what I  was saying,  it's  an option  Ben  wrote and  that just  got
> included in mailman cvs

You described this as a mutt feature (or maybe I missed something), I
was suggesting it as a mailman feature.

> > Ideally this would be a per-client setting.  A lot of email systems
> > will delete duplicate emails with the same Message-ID so someone who
>
> Really? I wasn't aware of that.
> (I think that  very few Email systems  do this. Exchange is the  first one I
> hear of  that does that according  to what you  say. This is by the  way not
> necessarily something you  want. If I bounce you a message  of mine that you
> lost, you'll never receive the copy)

Exchange only keeps the msg-id for about an hour.  It also looks like
it might check some other headers, because I get duplicates on one
list which is run by Listserv.  They mangle a lot of the headers
before sending the message back out, but not the Message-ID.

> > is on the To line and on the list doesn't see the message twice
> > anyway.  My email comes into an Exchange 2000 Server which I access
> > using Pine over IMAP.  Exchange deletes the duplicates, and Pine is
>
> Mmmmhh, why do I have outlook users whining that they can't handle the fact
> that they were receiving dupes and that they had no way (they said) to
> remove them.
> Granted, all of them don't use exchange, but...

The majority of them probably don't use Exchange, especially list
users who are probably subscribed from home and read email through a
POP account on an ISP.

alex




From greybeard at pobox.com  Sun Mar 10 16:50:57 2002
From: greybeard at pobox.com (William Waggoner)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 10:50:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] post log info?
Message-ID: <003001c1c84b$5e689860$0401a8c0@greybeard.org>

I'm looking at my post log and all the entries look like this:

Mar 10 09:56:03 2002 (11703) post to xxx from
xxx-admin at listhost.mydomain.org, size=508, success

With the list-admin address always listed as the "from" address.  Is this
normal?  Can I configure it to show the actual poster?  If it means
anything, I am using demime as a filter in front of the call to wrapper in
the alias.

----
Bill W




From mark at geekpimp.com  Sun Mar 10 20:48:02 2002
From: mark at geekpimp.com (Mark Johnson)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:48:02 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation question
References: <003001c1c84b$5e689860$0401a8c0@greybeard.org>
Message-ID: <013401c1c86c$7d4101c0$641fa8c0@johnson.lan>

hello all,

wondering if you can help me, i have checked the FAQ and searched the web
and don't see any answers for this.

i have just installed mailman on to my slackware box with exim as the mta.
it all seemed to go fine, running check_perms works fine, and everything. i
setup a test list and i get the following errors.

* when i post to the list i get the following error:

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  test.list at geekpimp.com
    Child process of list_transport transport returned 2 from command:
    /home/mailman/mail/wrapper

* i can't see the list archives there is no file in the archives/private
directory for the list, but there is a symlink in the archives/public
directory....

thanks in advance..






From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Mar 10 23:25:49 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 17:25:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation question
In-Reply-To: <013401c1c86c$7d4101c0$641fa8c0@johnson.lan>
References: <003001c1c84b$5e689860$0401a8c0@greybeard.org> <013401c1c86c$7d4101c0$641fa8c0@johnson.lan>
Message-ID: <01c3c3724220a32FE7@mail7.nc.rr.com>

This generally means that you need to re-install it and add an option to the 
./configure command that tells the install what group Exim runs as.

This is explained very thoroughly in the FAQ (see the bottom of this message).

Jon Carnes
===
 --- Original Message: Sunday 10 March 2002 02:48 pm ---
> hello all,
>
> wondering if you can help me, i have checked the FAQ and searched the web
> and don't see any answers for this.
>
> i have just installed mailman on to my slackware box with exim as the mta.
> it all seemed to go fine, running check_perms works fine, and everything. i
> setup a test list and i get the following errors.
>
> * when i post to the list i get the following error:
>
> This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).
>
> A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
> recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
>
>   test.list at geekpimp.com
>     Child process of list_transport transport returned 2 from command:
>     /home/mailman/mail/wrapper
>
> * i can't see the list archives there is no file in the archives/private
> directory for the list, but there is a symlink in the archives/public
> directory....
>
> thanks in advance..
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py



From darryl at harvey.net.au  Mon Mar 11 01:42:31 2002
From: darryl at harvey.net.au (Darryl Harvey)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:42:31 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix with mailman GID Error!?!?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020311114138.00b02d18@mail.ournet.com.au>

Has anyone set up mailman and Postfix on their RedHat box??

I am getting the dreaded GID error,


Mar 11 11:21:01 cascade postfix/local[8621]: A84803EF5: 
to=<test at cascade.off.ournet.com.au>, relay=local, delay=1, status=bounced 
(Command died with status 2: "/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post test". Command 
output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to 
take 99?) )



and have read the mailman help file as to the fix, It suggests rebuilding 
mailman with;

./configure --with-mail-gid=thegid


thegid = the result of running;

% python -c'import os; print os.getgid()

as the mailman user (which if I do this, I get thegid=41

(Which I am suspect about as 12 or 99 != 41)


If I am installing from a Redhat RPM, I cannot do this...  I have altered 
the postfix option of:

default_privs = mail

(which is the gid of 12) and this allows me to use mailman, but it may have 
some effect on postfix and privs??

Can anyone enlighten me to if this is ok, or if I need to un-install the 
RPM and install mailman from source and configure with my options.

Thanks
Brian 




From paul at paulsfunhouse.com  Sat Mar  9 01:49:04 2002
From: paul at paulsfunhouse.com (Paul Croft)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 18:49:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing users
In-Reply-To: <3C8953FF.3030607@iem.kug.ac.at>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020308184813.022b4980@paulsfunhouse.com>

Yes you are...I missed it too at the start...all you need to do is uncheck 
the check mark next to their name and then choose the submit button at the 
bottom of the page!

Paul

All my lists in one place...MY SITE!
http://lists.paulsfunhouse.com/


At 06:14 PM 08/03/02, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
>hi !
>
>I just have set up several lists with the mailman.
>easy task! great !
>
>but:
>how can i (the administrator) unsubscribe "unwanted" users ?
>there does not seem to be an interface for such a task.
>am i missing something obvious ???
>
>mfg.as.raas
>IOhannes







From webmaster at freesources.org  Sat Mar  9 10:37:17 2002
From: webmaster at freesources.org (Webmaster)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:37:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to set up a world-writable list.
In-Reply-To: <20020306154531.GA7203@jonas.server0.de>
References: <20020306125616.GA2253@jonas.server0.de> <20020306093510.B17955@sherohman.org> <20020306154531.GA7203@jonas.server0.de>
Message-ID: <20020309093717.GB547@jonas.server0.de>

On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 04:45:31PM +0100, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> > Admin interface, Privacy Options page.  Set "Restrict posting
> > privilege to list members?" to no.
> 
> Only this can not be the point because I have it at no. I wanna that
> really everyone, egal if subscribed or not etc. can post.

The problem was that I had addresses in <post without approval>.

Thanks
   Jonas
	 
-- 
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when it is bad, it is better than nothing. -- Dick Brandon



From hawk at solrpa.com  Sat Mar  9 19:20:26 2002
From: hawk at solrpa.com (Hawk)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 13:20:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Question
Message-ID: <p04330107b8b002a4d1da@[209.166.135.120]>

Under Membership Management.......it displays 30 members at a 
time.......how do I get to the next pages?????

   Later
   Hawk

  ICQ#34668186
  AOL SoLRHawk
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From andrew.clark at sge.net  Mon Mar 11 00:31:45 2002
From: andrew.clark at sge.net (andrew.clark at sge.net)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:31:45 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] News to Mail gateway setup
Message-ID: <OF9E281A7D.7DF8D145-ONCA256B78.0080D8E2@staff.sge.net>

I've got News to Mail gatewaying working, almost.  Currently, whenever
someone posts to the news group, the post to the mailing list requires my
approval.  Is there some way to automatically approve posts to the mailling
list from the news group short of allowing anyone to post to the mailling
list?  I only ask because the news group I'm gating is not public, and I
assume the uni would like to keep it that way...

Andrew Clark
90East (Asia Pacific) Pty Ltd
Canberra, Australia


02 6272 3700 (switch)
02 6272 3010 (facsimile)


andrew.clark at sge.net
www.90East.com


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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Mon Mar 11 05:34:48 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 20:34:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply Question
In-Reply-To: <20020310072339.R53579-100000@phred.org>
References: <20020309191439.A16205@merlins.org> <20020310072339.R53579-100000@phred.org>
Message-ID: <20020311043447.GA24440@merlins.org>

On Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 07:30:03AM -0800, alex wetmore wrote:
> > > Mailman could look at the To and Cc lines of the message and make sure
> > > it doesn't sent to members which are listed on those lines.  This
> > > would result in each person getting one copy, either from the list or
> > > from the sender who hit "reply to all".
> >
> > That's  what I  was saying,  it's  an option  Ben  wrote and  that just  got
> > included in mailman cvs
> 
> You described this as a mutt feature (or maybe I missed something), I
> was suggesting it as a mailman feature.
 
Ok, let's try again:
mutt supports reply to author, reply to list, and reply to all.
I usually  use reply  to all  with mutt  anyway because  I make  the default
assumption that the sender may want a copy of my answer (which in some cases
you can receive quite a while before the list copy)

Then, there is the mailman feature I was talking about which allows the
receipient not to receive a list ocpy if he/she was Cced in the message.
 
Marc
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From hakon.brynildsen at framestore-cfc.com  Mon Mar 11 11:12:36 2002
From: hakon.brynildsen at framestore-cfc.com (Hakon Brynildsen)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:12:36 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Question
References: <p04330107b8b002a4d1da@[209.166.135.120]>
Message-ID: <3C8C8314.5E06788E@framestore-cfc.com>

There are links at the bottom of the page to the rest of the members.

---
To View other sections, click on the appropriate range listed below 

 * From bravo-member at domain.com to delta-member at domain.com
 * From echo-member at domain.com to hotel-member at domain.com
 .
 .
 .
 And so on...
---



Hawk wrote:
> 
> Under Membership Management.......it displays 30 members at a
> time.......how do I get to the next pages?????
> 
>    Later
>    Hawk
> 
>   ICQ#34668186
>   AOL SoLRHawk
> --
> ***************************************************************************
> Anything can be accomplished, if it's planned right and you have the
> desire and creativity to execute it.
> Jesse "The Governor" Ventura
> ***************************************************************************
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> ***************************************************************************
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py



From Michael.Keightley at quadstone.com  Mon Mar 11 12:06:51 2002
From: Michael.Keightley at quadstone.com (Michael Keightley)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:06:51 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting users password from command line
Message-ID: <20020311110651.A23455@quadstone.com>

We are hoping to migrate our mailing lists over to Mailman in the near future.
To do this we will need to add all users in our current mailing lists using the 
add_members command.  Is there anyway to set a password with this, rather than
one being generated randomly?  We want to allocate a password initially to each
users so when we migrate to mailman a user doesn't have 20 passwords for the 20
mailing lists they might currently be on.

Michael
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From mihail.tsagidis at bay4you.de  Mon Mar 11 12:48:14 2002
From: mihail.tsagidis at bay4you.de (Mihail Tsagidis)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:48:14 +0100
Subject: AW: [Mailman-Users] Setting users password from command line
In-Reply-To: <20020311110651.A23455@quadstone.com>
Message-ID: <JHEKLBGMBHPFIBJOBIFDMEIACAAA.mihail.tsagidis@bay4you.de>

Hello,

I have a list named "Bay4you-gute-preise".

In General Options first form, there is the opportunity to change this name.
Is this the correct place to change the name for the mailing list.

In the second step, I have to change the email-addresse to forward the
request to the mailings-list-server. I think i have to use thisfor the name
listserver name.

I am a new user administaring the list.

Thanks in Advance,
Mihail Tsagidis

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From jonc at haht.com  Mon Mar 11 16:12:25 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:12:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting users password from command line
References: <20020311110651.A23455@quadstone.com>
Message-ID: <00e701c1c90f$27376a00$0b04010a@JCARNES>

You could create one user and then use ~mailman/bin/clone_member to create
each of the other users of a mailing list.  That way they will all start off
with the same password....

Other than that, your best bet would be to modify the add_members script so
that it lets you specify a password for each user.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Keightley" <Michael.Keightley at quadstone.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 6:06 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting users password from command line


> We are hoping to migrate our mailing lists over to Mailman in the near
future.
> To do this we will need to add all users in our current mailing lists
using the
> add_members command.  Is there anyway to set a password with this, rather
than
> one being generated randomly?  We want to allocate a password initially to
each
> users so when we migrate to mailman a user doesn't have 20 passwords for
the 20
> mailing lists they might currently be on.
>
> Michael
> --
> Michael Keightley <Michael.Keightley at quadstone.com>    Tel: +44 131 220
4491
> Systems Manager, Quadstone Limited,                    Fax: +44 131 220
4492
> 16 Chester Street, Edinburgh EH3 7RA, Scotland
http://www.quadstone.com
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From jonc at haht.com  Mon Mar 11 16:23:55 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:23:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] News to Mail gateway setup
References: <OF9E281A7D.7DF8D145-ONCA256B78.0080D8E2@staff.sge.net>
Message-ID: <00f701c1c910$c1e16b40$0b04010a@JCARNES>

I can't think of a simple way for this, but here are two options:

Use a separate program to gate the news into the mailing list, and have the
program use a specific user as the sender (or actually the forwarder of the
message).  This is they way I currently do it at one of the sites I admin.

Modify the Source Code so that the News-to-Mail gateway adds a special
header to signify approval - then modify the approval module to look for
that special header (then strip it out) and auto-approve the message.
Sounds hard, but in reality we're talking about 4 lines of inserted code
here.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: <andrew.clark at sge.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 6:31 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] News to Mail gateway setup


> I've got News to Mail gatewaying working, almost.  Currently, whenever
> someone posts to the news group, the post to the mailing list requires my
> approval.  Is there some way to automatically approve posts to the
mailling
> list from the news group short of allowing anyone to post to the mailling
> list?  I only ask because the news group I'm gating is not public, and I
> assume the uni would like to keep it that way...
>
> Andrew Clark
> 90East (Asia Pacific) Pty Ltd
> Canberra, Australia
>
>
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From Michael.Keightley at quadstone.com  Mon Mar 11 18:34:00 2002
From: Michael.Keightley at quadstone.com (Michael Keightley)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:34:00 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting users password from command line
In-Reply-To: <00e701c1c90f$27376a00$0b04010a@JCARNES>; from jonc@haht.com on Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 10:12:25AM -0500
References: <20020311110651.A23455@quadstone.com> <00e701c1c90f$27376a00$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <20020311173400.A23993@quadstone.com>

On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 10:12:25AM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> You could create one user and then use ~mailman/bin/clone_member to create
> each of the other users of a mailing list.  That way they will all start off
> with the same password....
> 
> Other than that, your best bet would be to modify the add_members script so
> that it lets you specify a password for each user.
I have created a new add_members script with an extra "-p <password>" option.
Here are the diffs for v2.0.8, if anyone else is interested....

--- add_members.FCS	Mon Mar 11 09:25:11 2002
+++ add_members	Mon Mar 11 17:27:10 2002
@@ -26,10 +26,13 @@
 """Add members to a list from the command line.
 
 Usage:
-    add_members [-n <file>] [-d <file>] [-c <y|n>] [-w <y|n>] [-h] listname
+    add_members [-p <password>] [-n <file>] [-d <file>] [-c <y|n>] [-w <y|n>] [-h] listname
 
 Where:
 
+    --password <password>
+    -p <password>
+        Set the password
     --non-digest-members-file <file>
     -n <file>
         A file containing addresses of the members to be added, one
@@ -120,9 +123,10 @@
 def main():
     try:
         opts, args = getopt.getopt(sys.argv[1:],
-                                   'n:d:c:w:h',
+                                   'p:n:d:c:w:h',
                                    ['non-digest-members-file=',
                                     'digest-members-file=',
+                                    'password=',
                                     'changes-msg=',
 				    'welcome-msg=',
                                     'help'])
@@ -135,11 +139,14 @@
     listname = string.lower(args[0])
     nfile = None
     dfile = None
+    passwd = []
     send_changes_msg = 0
     send_welcome_msg = -1
     for opt, arg in opts:
         if opt in ('-h', '--help'):
             usage(0)
+        elif opt in ('-p','--password'):
+            passwd.append(arg)
         elif opt in ('-d', '--digest-members-file'):
             dfile = arg
         elif opt in ('-n', '--non-digest-members-file'):
@@ -192,11 +199,11 @@
             usage(1)
 
         if nmembers:
-            nres = ml.ApprovedAddMembers(nmembers, None, 0, send_welcome_msg)
+            nres = ml.ApprovedAddMembers(nmembers, passwd, 0, send_welcome_msg)
         else: nres = {}
 
         if dmembers:
-            dres = ml.ApprovedAddMembers(dmembers, None, 1, send_welcome_msg)
+            dres = ml.ApprovedAddMembers(dmembers, passwd, None, 1, send_welcome_msg)
         else: dres = {}
 
         for result in (nres, dres):
> 
> Jon Carnes
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Keightley" <Michael.Keightley at quadstone.com>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 6:06 AM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting users password from command line
> 
> 
> > We are hoping to migrate our mailing lists over to Mailman in the near
> future.
> > To do this we will need to add all users in our current mailing lists
> using the
> > add_members command.  Is there anyway to set a password with this, rather
> than
> > one being generated randomly?  We want to allocate a password initially to
> each
> > users so when we migrate to mailman a user doesn't have 20 passwords for
> the 20
> > mailing lists they might currently be on.
> >
> > Michael
> > --
> > Michael Keightley <Michael.Keightley at quadstone.com>    Tel: +44 131 220
> 4491
> > Systems Manager, Quadstone Limited,                    Fax: +44 131 220
> 4492
> > 16 Chester Street, Edinburgh EH3 7RA, Scotland
> http://www.quadstone.com
> >
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Systems Manager, Quadstone Limited,                    Fax: +44 131 220 4492
16 Chester Street, Edinburgh EH3 7RA, Scotland         http://www.quadstone.com



From jerry at sandiego.edu  Mon Mar 11 18:36:52 2002
From: jerry at sandiego.edu (Jerry Stratton)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:36:52 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] News to Mail gateway setup
In-Reply-To: <OF9E281A7D.7DF8D145-ONCA256B78.0080D8E2@staff.sge.net>
References: <OF9E281A7D.7DF8D145-ONCA256B78.0080D8E2@staff.sge.net>
Message-ID: <p05101505b8b299844a35@[199.106.12.16]>

>I've got News to Mail gatewaying working, almost.  Currently, whenever
>someone posts to the news group, the post to the mailing list requires my
>approval.  Is there some way to automatically approve posts to the mailling
>list from the news group short of allowing anyone to post to the mailling
>list?  I only ask because the news group I'm gating is not public, and I
>assume the uni would like to keep it that way...

We needed the same thing, for pretty much the exact same setup. 
You'll need to change the source code to do this. It isn't that 
difficult, assuming that I've done this right:

In the "Handlers" directory of the "Mailman" directory, there is a 
file called "Hold.py". This is the script that determines whether or 
not a message needs to be held.

There is a section in there that says:

In it, there is a section that says:

     if mlist.member_posting_only:
         posters = Utils.List2Dict(map(string.lower, mlist.posters))
         if not mlist.IsMember(sender) and \
            not Utils.FindMatchingAddresses(sender, posters):
             # the sender is neither a member of the list, nor in the list of
             # explicitly approved posters
             hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, NonMemberPost)
             # no return


Change this to:

     if mlist.member_posting_only:
         if mlist.gateway_to_mail:
             needgroup = mlist.linked_newsgroup
             newsgroup = msg.getheader('newsgroups')

         posters = Utils.List2Dict(map(string.lower, mlist.posters))
         if not mlist.IsMember(sender) and \
            not (mlist.gateway_to_mail and needgroup and 
newsgroup==needgroup) and \
            not Utils.FindMatchingAddresses(sender, posters):
             # the sender is neither a member of the list, nor in the list of
             # explicitly approved posters
             # nor is it from the gatewayed newsgroup
             hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, NonMemberPost)
             # no return

Note that this still has some problems: if there is more than one 
newsgroup on the Newsgroups: line, the posting will still need 
approval (this could be considered a feature, of course). And the 
code does not check in a case-insensitive manner. I tried 
newsgroup=string.lower(msg.getheader('newsgroups')) and that 
generated errors in the error log for some reason. (I'm fairly new to 
python; this is, in fact, the first thing I've done in it.)

The above changes the code so that if the group's "gateway_to_mail" 
option is set, it checks to see if the message has a "Newsgroups:" 
header set to the same thing as the list's linked_newsgroup setting. 
If so, it lets the message through.

Jerry
-- 
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http://www.sandiego.edu/~jerry/
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--
The more restrictions there are, the poorer the people become. The 
greater the government's power, the more chaotic the nation would 
become. The more the ruler imposes laws and prohibitions on his 
people, the more frequently evil deeds would occur.
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From jerry at sandiego.edu  Mon Mar 11 20:25:51 2002
From: jerry at sandiego.edu (Jerry Stratton)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:25:51 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin subscribe hold notifications never arrive
Message-ID: <p0510150cb8b2b155df22@[199.106.12.16]>

I've got *one* list on our system for which the administrator does 
not receive notification that someone wants to subscribe. We have a 
number of lists requiring admin approval for subscriptions--at least 
one of which has the same administrator as the list which doesn't 
successfully provide notifications.

The subscription requests are available on the "pending requests" 
page; when the administrator approves those requests, the 
administrator *does* receive notifications of the successful 
subscriptions. The administrator also receives notifications of 
unsubscriptions.

If the subscription requests are left to stand in the pending area, 
the daily notices are also not received by the list admin. This 
applies to both held messages and held subscription requests.

I have added myself as an administrator for that list, and have 
verified this behavior. I don't receive any notifications 
either--except for notifications of successful subscribes and 
unsubscribes.

The 'vette' file in the logs directory shows the subscription 
requests as "held"; the smtp file seems to indicate that 'a' message 
was sent out on the five-minute mark, but it could be for any list as 
the logfile does not indicate who the message was sent for, or why it 
was sent. (And I would sort of expect it to be for 2 recips, as there 
are two admins). Note that garden at hoboes.com also does not receive 
anything about the subscription being held.

vette:
Mar 11 11:19:12 2002 (3201) RISA-L: held subscription request from 
garden at hoboes.com

smtp:
Mar 11 11:20:02 2002 (8891) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.358 seconds

smtp-failure does not appear to have anything relevant in it.

Does anyone have any idea what could cause this behavior? (Currently, 
the last item in there was from February 13, and probably 
corresponded to mailserver downtime.)

We have other lists where this feature works fine, including one with 
the same admin.

Jerry
-- 
jerry at sandiego.edu
http://www.sandiego.edu/~jerry/
Serra 188B/x8773
--
The more restrictions there are, the poorer the people become. The 
greater the government's power, the more chaotic the nation would 
become. The more the ruler imposes laws and prohibitions on his 
people, the more frequently evil deeds would occur.
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From abuccel at uncoma.edu.ar  Mon Mar 11 20:55:16 2002
From: abuccel at uncoma.edu.ar (Agustina Buccella)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:55:16 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] different machines
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20020311164634.00a24720@pop3.uncoma.edu.ar>

Hello!! I have two machines and in one of them I have mail server and I 
installed mailman and in the second machine I have the web server. The 
mailman work very well, but in the templates there are  two variables 
called "%(listinfo_url)s" and %(admin_url)s" that references the name of 
the mail server machine. But it must be references the name of the web 
server machine, because is the internet address. How I can change this 
variables in order to the mail that the mailman send me when I create a 
list be correct?

I use Suse 7.1 , sendmail and apache.

Thanks!!!!!
Agustina




From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Mon Mar 11 21:41:27 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:41:27 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feedback needed: nodupes patch and reply-to munging per user
Message-ID: <20020311204127.GE23754@merlins.org>

[I'm  Ccing  mailman-developers  in  case  a  few  people  there  aren't  on
mailman-users, but please reply on mailman-users]

Ben Gertzfield  wrote a patch  which Barry recently included  in mailman-cvs
which allows you to not receive the list  copy of a message in you were Cced
in the headers (nodupes patch).
The idea is  to reproduce the (imo sole useful)  feature of reply-to munging
where people don't get two copies of replies to posts.

After  porting his  patch to  mailman-cvs, I've  written another  patch that
extends this functionality by making reply-to munging a per user option.

The idea  is that  I tried  to provide an  alternative to  listwide reply-to
munging because  I truly belive  that is bad for  many reasons that  I won't
list here again, but if you're curious, have a look at:
http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/listreplyto.html
http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=6693&group_id=1
(please note, this  is _not_ meant to  start a thread on  whether munging is
good or bad)

The idea was to settle this issue for good by offering, in place of listwide
reply-to munging  (which would still be  an option in mailman,  just not one
that most people would need anymore):
- optional non sending of  list posts if you are Cced so  that you don't get
  two copies (nodupes patch, already in CVS)
- per user reply-to munging, if you have list users who just will not accept
  to use reply to all to reply to list posts

Since  there have  always been  endless  arguments on  whether the  listwide
setting should  be on  or off,  I'm hoping that  moving this  to a  per user
option will make most if not all of these arguments go away.

The idea  is that  reply-to munging  would stay off,  users have  the option
(enabled by  default) to not receive  two copies of replies,  and people who
really want  to use reply to  sender to reply  to list posts get  a separate
copy of list posts with a Reply-To header in there.

I've   written  the   per   user   munging  part,   and   announced  it   to
mailman-developers last night:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2002-March/011068.html

Barry is wondering if this is going to  be useful to other people or not and
would like feedback.
So, could you let us know here  (mailman-users) if you would have use for my
patch or if you have questions/comments about it.
If you think the  patch is stupid and shouldn't be in  mailman, you can tell
us that too :-)
(note that the feature has to be  enabled by the site and list owners, since
it does cause additional processing on your list server)

Thanks,
Marc
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                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
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From dirk.schulz at multibyte.de  Mon Mar 11 21:54:12 2002
From: dirk.schulz at multibyte.de (Dirk H. Schulz)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:54:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix rejects mails from mailman
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020311214911.00a6b460@mail.munichhead.multibyte.de>

Hi there,

I am new to mailman and have a problem I did not find in the archives:

I set up mailman and the tests worked (check_perms etc.). When I set up my 
first list (a list for test purposes), the inital email to the list admin 
is rejected by postfix, my MTA.

This is the transcript of the session:

  Out: 250-multihost.riesenkalender.de
  Out: 250-PIPELINING
  Out: 250-SIZE 1024000000
  Out: 250-VRFY
  Out: 250-ETRN
  Out: 250-XVERP
  Out: 250 8BITMIME
  In:  mail FROM:<testlisteriesenkalender-admin at multihost.riesenkalender.de>
      size=2510
  Out: 250 Ok
  In:  rcpt TO:<dirk.schulz at multibyte.de>
  Out: 554 <dirk.schulz at multibyte.de>: Recipient address rejected: Relay access
      denied
  In:  rset


I do not understand why the recipient address is rejected: This adress mail 
is relayed to very often a day. From different accounts. So I think it is 
not a postfix problem, but must have to something with mailman.

If there is anybody out there who can help: many thanks in advance.

Dirk




From bob at nleaudio.com  Mon Mar 11 21:59:32 2002
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:59:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Feedback needed: nodupes patch and reply-to
 munging per user
References: <20020311204127.GE23754@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <3C8D1AB4.DAFA2A35@nleaudio.com>

Hi Marc & gang,

I think that having those options would be nice, but also please allow for reply-to being forced back to the list (regardless of user settings).  Some of us require that.

Bob



From alex at phred.org  Mon Mar 11 22:03:14 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:03:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feedback needed: nodupes patch and reply-to
 munging per user
In-Reply-To: <20020311204127.GE23754@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <20020311130221.N53579-100000@phred.org>

On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Marc MERLIN wrote:
> The idea was to settle this issue for good by offering, in place of listwide
> reply-to munging  (which would still be  an option in mailman,  just not one
> that most people would need anymore):
> - optional non sending of  list posts if you are Cced so  that you don't get
>   two copies (nodupes patch, already in CVS)

I think that this is a great feature, and it is something which
I would use on mailman.

Can you provide information on the extra processing that it requires?
It doesn't do anything crazy like send a message per recipient to the
MTA, does it?

alex




From mark at geekpimp.com  Mon Mar 11 22:15:28 2002
From: mark at geekpimp.com (Mark Johnson)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:15:28 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation question
References: <003001c1c84b$5e689860$0401a8c0@greybeard.org> <013401c1c86c$7d4101c0$641fa8c0@johnson.lan> <01c3c3724220a32FE7@mail7.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <014101c1c941$de8a5730$641fa8c0@johnson.lan>

nope, tried that several times and still the same error, i will continue to
fiddle!!


> This generally means that you need to re-install it and add an option to
the
> ./configure command that tells the install what group Exim runs as.
>
> This is explained very thoroughly in the FAQ (see the bottom of this
message).
>
> Jon Carnes
> ===
>  --- Original Message: Sunday 10 March 2002 02:48 pm ---
> > hello all,
> >
> > wondering if you can help me, i have checked the FAQ and searched the
web
> > and don't see any answers for this.
> >
> > i have just installed mailman on to my slackware box with exim as the
mta.
> > it all seemed to go fine, running check_perms works fine, and
everything. i
> > setup a test list and i get the following errors.
> >
> > * when i post to the list i get the following error:
> >
> > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).
> >
> > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
> > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
> >
> >   test.list at geekpimp.com
> >     Child process of list_transport transport returned 2 from command:
> >     /home/mailman/mail/wrapper
> >
> > * i can't see the list archives there is no file in the archives/private
> > directory for the list, but there is a symlink in the archives/public
> > directory....
> >
> > thanks in advance..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Mon Mar 11 22:26:12 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:26:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Feedback needed: nodupes patch and
 reply-to munging per user
In-Reply-To: <20020311204127.GE23754@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <B8B260F4.1B804%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

On 3/11/02 12:41 PM, "Marc MERLIN" <marc_news at vasoftware.com> wrote:

> Barry is wondering if this is going to  be useful to other people or not and
> would like feedback.

I think it's great. It means I can set up the list the way I feel it ought
to be, and people who prefer it some other way can set it up to look like
that for their personal use, without affecting the global environment. VERY
NICE. It solves one of those nagging issues I think most list admins have,
the nagging bickering over religious issues for which there is no "right"
asnwer. 


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.chuqui.com/

The Cliff's Notes Cliff's Notes on Hamlet:
    And they all died happily ever after




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Mon Mar 11 22:32:59 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:32:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Feedback needed:
	nodupes patch and reply-to munging per user
In-Reply-To: <3C8D1AB4.DAFA2A35@nleaudio.com>
Message-ID: <B8B2628B.1B806%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

On 3/11/02 12:59 PM, "Bob Puff at NLE" <bob at nleaudio.com> wrote:

> I think that having those options would be nice, but also please allow for
> reply-to being forced back to the list (regardless of user settings).  Some of
> us require that.

Bob's got a point. There has to be a way to say "don't override", although,
if you don't enable the option for a list, don't you already get that?

The other thing I'd like like to see is an option to 'strip all reply-tos'
so that a reply-to that is set as it enters the mailman system is removed
and not propogated. Allowing and end-user's reply-to to propogate can cause
all sorts of havoc, and frankly, can be used to mailbomb someone if you want
to play troll.

(imagine this scenario: I'm mad at someone. So I log onto a mac mailing list
and say "microsoft rules!" -- and set the reply-to to the person I'm mad at.
If you don't strip that reply-to, all the angry replies go back to the poor
schmuck in the reply-to -- and since I've already abandoned the hotmail
account I used to start the bomb, I'm off scott free....)


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.chuqui.com/

He doesn't have ulcers, but he's a carrier.




From bob at nleaudio.com  Mon Mar 11 22:48:57 2002
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:48:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Feedback needed:nodupes 
 patch and reply-to munging per user
References: <B8B2628B.1B806%chuqui@plaidworks.com>
Message-ID: <3C8D2648.C3EB37D5@nleaudio.com>

> (imagine this scenario: I'm mad at someone. So I log onto a mac mailing list
> and say "microsoft rules!" -- and set the reply-to to the person I'm mad at.
> If you don't strip that reply-to, all the angry replies go back to the poor
> schmuck in the reply-to -- and since I've already abandoned the hotmail
> account I used to start the bomb, I'm off scott free....)

Been there, had that happen, got the T-shirt... :-)  I've already modified 2.0.x to strip those.  It was a necessity.  Very simple mod - there is some code in there that
strips off certain headers - I just added reply-to to the list.

Bob



From elizabeth_strumph at yahoo.de  Mon Mar 11 22:43:50 2002
From: elizabeth_strumph at yahoo.de (=?iso-8859-1?q?Elizabeth=20Strumph?=)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:43:50 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Qmail (wont deliver offsite)
Message-ID: <20020311214350.71158.qmail@web21412.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello

I've setup mailman with qmail on openBSD. I am able
to receive mail on the host, and to send mail offsite.

I can also subscribe to Mailman lists etc. if I do
so from a user on the machine running mailman.

When a user from another domain tries to subscribe,
either through the web interface or through
listname-request, nothing happens.

Looking through /var/spool/mailman/logs/bounce when
I tried to subscribe abu at bar.com (what is 'first' ?):


Mar 11 16:50:39 2002 (14901) Test:abu at bar.com - first


Nothing shows up in /var/log/maillog when this happns,
though if the req came from localhost, I would see
sensible logs there.

Thanks much in advance,
-Elizabeth


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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Mon Mar 11 22:52:52 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:52:52 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Feedback needed: nodupes patch and reply-to munging per user
In-Reply-To: <20020311130221.N53579-100000@phred.org> <3C8D2648.C3EB37D5@nleaudio.com> <B8B2628B.1B806%chuqui@plaidworks.com> <3C8D1AB4.DAFA2A35@nleaudio.com>
References: <20020311204127.GE23754@merlins.org> <20020311130221.N53579-100000@phred.org> <B8B2628B.1B806%chuqui@plaidworks.com> <3C8D2648.C3EB37D5@nleaudio.com> <3C8D1AB4.DAFA2A35@nleaudio.com> <B8B2628B.1B806%chuqui@plaidworks.com> <20020311204127.GE23754@merlins.org> <3C8D1AB4.DAFA2A35@nleaudio.com>
Message-ID: <20020311215251.GF23754@merlins.org>

On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 03:59:32PM -0500, Bob Puff at NLE wrote:
> Hi Marc & gang,
> 
> I think that having those options would be nice, but also please allow for
> reply-to  being forced  back to  the list  (regardless of  user settings).
> Some of us require that.
 
If you read my patch, you'll see that the option is still there.
While you can  argue that if all the  users can set the option,  and you can
make the option default for new  users, you don't need the listwide munging,
but I'm also aware that removing  the list-wide option probably wouldn't fly
real well :-)

The patch however does allow the site owner to "hide" the list-wide munging
since it's not really needed anymore in most cases.
But yes, my patch only adds options, it doesn't remove any.
 
On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 01:32:59PM -0800, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> The other thing I'd like like to see is an option to 'strip all reply-tos'

It's already in mailman-cvs (DEFAULT_FIRST_STRIP_REPLY_TO)
(not written by me)

> (imagine this scenario: I'm mad at someone. So I log onto a mac mailing list
> and say "microsoft rules!" -- and set the reply-to to the person I'm mad at.
> If you don't strip that reply-to, all the angry replies go back to the poor
> schmuck in the reply-to -- and since I've already abandoned the hotmail
> account I used to start the bomb, I'm off scott free....)

I was actually arguing with Barry whether DEFAULT_FIRST_STRIP_REPLY_TO was
needed if you weren't doing listwide munging, but and you just gave a good
example of when it could be useful.
Thanks.

On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 01:03:14PM -0800, alex wetmore wrote:

> Can you provide information on the extra processing that it requires?
> It doesn't do anything crazy like send a message per recipient to the
> MTA, does it?

Nope :-)

>From the patch:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2002-March/011068.html

+# As soon as a list member selects this, it will cause each message to be
+# duplicated in your spool (one copy with reply-to, and one copy without), and
+# it will also force a scan of the list userlist to see which user gets which
+# message. You may notice a slowdown on lists with several thousand users.
+# List admins will be allowed to turn this on and off on a per list basis,
+# but this variable takes precedence over the listmaster(s) setting
+# Set to 1 to enable
+SITEWIDE_ALLOW_PER_USER_REPLYTO_MUNGING = 1

I also have an optimization in there  that disables the mail split and extra
processing if no one in the list requested reply-to munging (which hopefully
is the general case on most lists)

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From benny at bennyvision.com  Mon Mar 11 22:53:13 2002
From: benny at bennyvision.com (C. Bensend)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:53:13 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Qmail (wont deliver offsite)
In-Reply-To: <20020311214350.71158.qmail@web21412.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.43L2.0203111550540.9731-100000@fusion.bennyvision.com>

On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Elizabeth Strumph wrote:

> When a user from another domain tries to subscribe,
> either through the web interface or through
> listname-request, nothing happens.
>
> Looking through /var/spool/mailman/logs/bounce when
> I tried to subscribe abu at bar.com (what is 'first' ?):
>
>
> Mar 11 16:50:39 2002 (14901) Test:abu at bar.com - first
>
> Nothing shows up in /var/log/maillog when this happns,
> though if the req came from localhost, I would see
> sensible logs there.

Hello Elizabeth,

	I had much the same problem recently...  You have
to make sure QMail will relay from localhost, which /it
won't do by default/.  See the list archives...  They
should contain your answer.  If not, let me know and I'll
help you out.

Benny


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away. A 'great'
landing is one after which they can use the plane again.
                                        --Rules of the Air, #8





From jwblist at olympus.net  Mon Mar 11 23:19:31 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:19:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feedback needed: nodupes patch and reply-to
 munging per user
In-Reply-To: <20020311204127.GE23754@merlins.org>
References: <20020311204127.GE23754@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <p05101501b8b2dcf3a228@[207.149.192.229]>

At 12:41 -0800 3/11/2002, Marc MERLIN wrote:
>Barry is wondering if this is going to  be useful to other people or not and
>would like feedback.
>So, could you let us know here  (mailman-users) if you would have use for my
>patch or if you have questions/comments about it.
>If you think the  patch is stupid and shouldn't be in  mailman, you can tell
>us that too :-)

Marc,

I believe the abilities your patches provide will be useful to some of our
list owners (we run a relatively small number of lists).

My belief is not, however, based on trying them out.

  --John

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From webmaster at gold-in-email.com  Mon Mar 11 13:26:37 2002
From: webmaster at gold-in-email.com (Gold-In-Email)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:26:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible
Message-ID: <007d01c1c8f8$012c2740$2a8ce2d1@glen2>

Hi there,

I am setting up a website for someone else and their host offers Mailman as a list manager.

Is there a way for me to set it up so that subscriptions can be added via the site itself?  For example... Someone signs up to the program and the site itself sends an email to the list that will subscribe them..  In reverse.. If she were to delete a member from her membership list, the system sends and email to the list that will unsubscribe them.

Is any of this possible?  

Glen McDonald
AMCS Web Services.
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From mdolter at jburroughs.org  Tue Mar 12 04:18:42 2002
From: mdolter at jburroughs.org (Peggy O'Brien Dolter)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:18:42 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stuck in a password loop
Message-ID: <2.2.32.20020312031842.00bdcea4@pop3.norton.antivirus>

Hello,

I am the administrator for our Mailman list.  This morning I approved a
subscription request, but the software prompted me again for my password.
We repeated this dance about five times.  I closed my browser and opened it
again, tried again to approve the request, but again continued to get the
password prompt several times.  I am stuck in a password loop.  Help?  Thanks,

Peggy Dolter
Alumni Office
John Burroughs School
www.jburroughs.org




From fil at rezo.net  Mon Mar 11 21:54:27 2002
From: fil at rezo.net (Fil)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:54:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Feedback needed: nodupes patch and reply-to munging per user
In-Reply-To: <20020311204127.GE23754@merlins.org>
References: <20020311204127.GE23754@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <20020311205427.GA27390@rezo.net>

@ Marc MERLIN <marc_news at vasoftware.com> :
> If you think the  patch is stupid and shouldn't be in  mailman, you can tell
> us that too :-)

If you want opinions, here's mine: I want to receive two copies if I'm CCed.
Not as an option, but as something I can rely upon. Because you never know
if the 'list' message went through or was intercepted by the system, the
moderator or whomever came in for it. You subscribe, you receive. Final
point (for me as a user and as a listmaster).

If I want to remove duplicates, there's a three line procmail recipe that
does it perfectly (I'm told).

Let's see the problem otherwise. If a user does not receive its copy through
the list, s/he'll write to the listmaster to ask "why?". I don't want these
questions! If their expectations are that they can ask this from a
listserver, they'll also expect it to work 100%, which cannot be guaranteed.

Lots of trouble for something only "hackers" might want - and hackers have
procmail.

-- Fil




From michael at emjay.net  Mon Mar 11 23:34:22 2002
From: michael at emjay.net (Michael Johnson)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:34:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stuck in a password loop
In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20020312031842.00bdcea4@pop3.norton.antivirus>
Message-ID: <222599D3-3540-11D6-821F-00039313F1F4@emjay.net>

On Monday, March 11, 2002, at 10:18 PM, Peggy O'Brien Dolter wrote:

> I am the administrator for our Mailman list.  This morning I approved a
> subscription request, but the software prompted me again for my 
> password.
> We repeated this dance about five times.  I closed my browser and 
> opened it
> again, tried again to approve the request, but again continued to get 
> the
> password prompt several times.  I am stuck in a password loop.  Help?  
> Thanks,
>
Which browser, browser version, OS, OS version, and hardware are you 
running?  This could make a difference...possibly try a different 
browser.  I know some sites don't show up correctly in different 
browsers and the forms don't always work the way they're supposed to.

-Michael




From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Mon Mar 11 23:50:22 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:50:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Feedback needed: nodupes patch and reply-to munging per user
In-Reply-To: <20020311205427.GA27390@rezo.net>
References: <20020311204127.GE23754@merlins.org> <20020311205427.GA27390@rezo.net>
Message-ID: <20020311225022.GH23754@merlins.org>

On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 09:54:27PM +0100, Fil wrote:
> @ Marc MERLIN <marc_news at vasoftware.com> :
> > If you think the  patch is stupid and shouldn't be in  mailman, you can tell
> > us that too :-)
> 
> If you want opinions, here's mine: I want to receive two copies if I'm CCed.
> Not as an option, but as something I can rely upon. Because you never know

Fair enough.
While dupe removal is enabled by default in mailman-cvs, it cannot be forced
on by the list owner or site owner (they can only set the default setting)
What this means is  that when you sign up, you simply need  to make sure you
uncheck the box that would remove dupes.

> If I want to remove duplicates, there's a three line procmail recipe that
> does it perfectly (I'm told).
 
Yes, it does.
 
> Let's see the problem otherwise. If a user does not receive its copy through
> the list, s/he'll write to the listmaster to ask "why?". I don't want these
> questions! If their expectations are that they can ask this from a
> listserver, they'll also expect it to work 100%, which cannot be guaranteed.

Ah, you want as a site owner to not have dupe removal enabled?
Ok, then after installing mailman-cvs, make sure you set 
DEFAULT_NEW_MEMBER_OPTIONS to 0 (or make sure it doesn't contain 256).
If you are a list owner, the interface also allows you to not set nodupes by
default for new users.

This  will cause  the mailman  to  send dupes  by default,  unless the  user
changes the setting and explicitely asks to not receive them.

If that isn't acceptable, you could then remove the option by ripping it
from templates/en/options.html|readme.txt and MailCommander.py

> Lots of trouble for something only "hackers" might want - and hackers have
> procmail.

I beg to differ. If  that were true, I wouldn't have spent  the time to port
Ben's  patch. I've had  many list  users  on windows  system complain  about
dupes.  Unix  users typically don't  complain, or  go away happily  when you
show them procmail.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Tue Mar 12 00:33:33 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:33:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Feedback needed: nodupes patch and
	reply-to munging per user
In-Reply-To: <20020311205427.GA27390@rezo.net>
Message-ID: <B8B27ECD.1B85C%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

On 3/11/02 12:54 PM, "Fil" <fil at rezo.net> wrote:

> If I want to remove duplicates, there's a three line procmail recipe that
> does it perfectly (I'm told).

If you have procmail. But this is a great example of why user-defined
preferences are a great idea. There are people on this list that if we put
you and them in a room together, only one of you would come out alive,
becaues they feel just as strongly that the opposite should be true.

> Lots of trouble for something only "hackers" might want - and hackers have
> procmail.

Sorry, not true at all. Regular people feel that way, too. And there's  no
procmail for most of them.

That's why these things constantly come up as fights on lists all over the
place, including here. There IS no acknowledged "right" answer, but both
sides feel there is, and it's theirs....


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.chuqui.com/

Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh
nervously and change the subject.




From wheakory at isu.edu  Tue Mar 12 01:15:56 2002
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:15:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Privacy roster setting
Message-ID: <3C8D48BC.245D4048@isu.edu>

I want to know if there's a way to change all my lists that have the
setting to "view subscribers (set to anyone)"  and change it to (List
admin only).  I did make the change today in the mm_cfg.py file, but
that's only for new lists. How do I change the settings to all the lists
at the command line. Do I need to use "config_list" if so, how?

--
#########################################
Kory Wheatley
Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
Phone 282-3874
#########################################
Everything must point to him.





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar 12 07:04:30 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 01:04:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Feedback needed: nodupes patch and reply-to munging per user
In-Reply-To: <20020311225022.GH23754@merlins.org>
References: <20020311204127.GE23754@merlins.org> <20020311205427.GA27390@rezo.net> <20020311225022.GH23754@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <200203120603.BAA18775@salsa.haht.com>

+1 for removing dupes by default.

This patch would be a great additon to "Umbrella" lists.  Most folks assume 
that Umbrella lists work this way anyway...

BTW: I'm all for making it the default.  As someone pointed out earlier, 
Mailman acts as an Adjunct or part of the MTA, so it should follow similar 
rules.  The default for any MTA that I've used is to remove dupes.

Jon Carnes

 --- Original Message: Monday 11 March 2002 05:50 pm ---
> While dupe removal is enabled by default in mailman-cvs, it cannot be
> forced on by the list owner or site owner (they can only set the default
> setting) What this means is  that when you sign up, you simply need  to
> make sure you uncheck the box that would remove dupes.
>
> > If I want to remove duplicates, there's a three line procmail recipe that
> > does it perfectly (I'm told).
>
> Yes, it does.
>
> > Let's see the problem otherwise. If a user does not receive its copy
> > through the list, s/he'll write to the listmaster to ask "why?". I don't
> > want these questions! If their expectations are that they can ask this
> > from a listserver, they'll also expect it to work 100%, which cannot be
> > guaranteed.
>
> Ah, you want as a site owner to not have dupe removal enabled?
> Ok, then after installing mailman-cvs, make sure you set
> DEFAULT_NEW_MEMBER_OPTIONS to 0 (or make sure it doesn't contain 256).
> If you are a list owner, the interface also allows you to not set nodupes
> by default for new users.
>
> This  will cause  the mailman  to  send dupes  by default,  unless the 
> user changes the setting and explicitely asks to not receive them.
>
> If that isn't acceptable, you could then remove the option by ripping it
> from templates/en/options.html|readme.txt and MailCommander.py
>
> > Lots of trouble for something only "hackers" might want - and hackers
> > have procmail.
>
> I beg to differ. If  that were true, I wouldn't have spent  the time to
> port Ben's  patch. I've had  many list  users  on windows  system complain 
> about dupes.  Unix  users typically don't  complain, or  go away happily 
> when you show them procmail.
>
> Marc



From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Tue Mar 12 07:11:14 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:11:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Feedback needed: nodupes patch and reply-to munging per user
In-Reply-To: <200203120603.BAA18775@salsa.haht.com>
References: <20020311204127.GE23754@merlins.org> <20020311205427.GA27390@rezo.net> <20020311225022.GH23754@merlins.org> <200203120603.BAA18775@salsa.haht.com>
Message-ID: <20020312061113.GG2972@merlins.org>

On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 01:04:30AM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> +1 for removing dupes by default.
> 
> This patch would be a great additon to "Umbrella" lists.  Most folks assume 
> that Umbrella lists work this way anyway...
 
Unfortunately, while the original patch from Ben removed dupes accross
lists, the version in mailman-cvs doesn't due to a memory leak problem in
the original code.
Ben promised an updated version of the cross list dedupe code, but that's
not in CVS yet.
(worst case, his older code can be re-added and you restart qrunner nightly)
 
Marc
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar 12 07:22:05 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 01:22:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] News to Mail gateway setup
In-Reply-To: <OF4EA06C70.F5E0A52A-ONCA256B7A.0015856E@staff.sge.net>
References: <OF4EA06C70.F5E0A52A-ONCA256B7A.0015856E@staff.sge.net>
Message-ID: <200203120620.BAA19355@salsa.haht.com>

 --- Original Message: Monday 11 March 2002 10:57 pm ---

> > Use a separate program to gate the news into the mailing list, and 
> > have the program use a specific user as the sender (or actually 
> > the forwarder of the message).  This is they way I currently do 
> > it at one of the sites I admin.
>
>
> What software are you using at that site?

Another of my many home-grown scripts.  This one monitors the News spools and 
gates any new article (without a Mailman header) back into the mailinglist.  
I'll be happy to share it with anyone who has an interest.

> > Modify the Source Code so that the News-to-Mail gateway adds a special
> > header to signify approval - then modify the approval module to look for
> > that special header (then strip it out) and auto-approve the message.
> > Sounds hard, but in reality we're talking about 4 lines of inserted code
> > here.
>
> Guess I should read that python book I've been meaning to read.

Or just dive in and play with the existing code - make sure you back up your 
install first!  

Good Luck,

Jon Carnes



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Tue Mar 12 08:03:42 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:03:42 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Feedback needed: nodupes patch and
	reply-to munging per user
In-Reply-To: <200203120603.BAA18775@salsa.haht.com>
Message-ID: <B8B2E84E.1BA7E%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

On 3/11/02 10:04 PM, "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com> wrote:

> +1 for removing dupes by default.

I swear, one of these days I'm going to implement a karma system for lists.
Admins could set minimum karma ratings before you go into moderated status,
or simply banned. You could put an X-header into messages with the karma
rating, so users could filter based on the karma rating. All sorts of fun
ways to get people to play karma politics on your mail list...

Funny, FWIW, is -3. It is one of the biggest problems with /. Karma. But I
digress.


-- 
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chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.chuqui.com/

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From mihail.tsagidis at bay4you.de  Tue Mar 12 11:41:11 2002
From: mihail.tsagidis at bay4you.de (Mihail Tsagidis)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:41:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listserver subscription results
In-Reply-To: <B8B2E84E.1BA7E%chuqui@plaidworks.com>
Message-ID: <JHEKLBGMBHPFIBJOBIFDKEJBCAAA.mihail.tsagidis@bay4you.de>

Hello,

I have following that I don't know how to solve.

The user is sending via the form from the webinterface his subscription
information (email and password). After sending this information the server
shows up the "list-name Subscription results" page, where I can read the
following:
"Confirmation from your email address is required, to prevent anyone from
subscribing you without permission. Instructions are being sent to you at
tsagge at gmx.de. Please note your subscription will not start until you
confirm your subscription."

My questions are:

1. How can this webpage show up in a popup window. I mean in a seperate
window.

	(I suppose I have to do this with javascript).

2. Where can I change the text (code) for this results-page ???

best regards,
Mihail Tsagidis

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Weintraubengasse 2
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Tel. 0911 / 81025-0
Fax. 0911 / 81025-11
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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Tue Mar 12 18:00:33 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:00:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix rejects mails from mailman
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020311214911.00a6b460@mail.munichhead.multibyte.de>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020311214911.00a6b460@mail.munichhead.multibyte.de>
Message-ID: <20020312170032.GM2972@merlins.org>

On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 09:54:12PM +0100, Dirk H. Schulz wrote:
>  Out: 554 <dirk.schulz at multibyte.de>: Recipient address rejected: Relay 
>  access
>      denied
>  In:  rset
> 
> 
> I do not understand why the recipient address is rejected: This adress mail 
> is relayed to very often a day. From different accounts. So I think it is 
> not a postfix problem, but must have to something with mailman.

I don't know postfix configuration options, but you need to tell it to relay
Email coming from localhost/127.0.0.1

Marc
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From paul at paulsfunhouse.com  Tue Mar 12 19:02:43 2002
From: paul at paulsfunhouse.com (Paul Croft)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:02:43 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber Notifications
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020312120133.00a8b880@paulsfunhouse.com>

Hey

Is there anyway to turn notifications of new subs and unsubs OFF when it is 
done by the moderator...but get them when they are done directly by the 
subscriber?

TIA

Paul



All my lists in one place...MY SITE!
http://lists.paulsfunhouse.com/







From ridalski at nandomedia.com  Tue Mar 12 22:38:27 2002
From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:38:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Simple question about archive times...
Message-ID: <BLEHLLIICEGMNCNLJIOGIENCCGAA.ridalski@nandomedia.com>

I think I just need a little bit of enlightenment here. When viewing the
archives for some of my lists I'll see the times as UT ( Thu, 7 Mar 2002
16:04:58 UT ), an other times like this : ( Tue, 5 Mar 2002
12:03:05 -0500 ).  I'm not seeing any consistency as to why it sometimes
assigns the UT, and other times the -500. Can anyone tell me how I can make
all the archive times match, either all UT, or none UT? Not overly
important, but I have had a few complaints.

Thanks,

---------------
Richard Idalski
NandoMedia     
919.829.4805 (office)   
AIM: Ryusonuke  
--------------- 



From mailman at linkpro.net  Tue Mar 12 22:40:48 2002
From: mailman at linkpro.net (Damon Linkous)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:40:48 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Invite new members funtion?
Message-ID: <05ee01c1ca0e$93604f80$47ac5241@webchecker>

I see in the administration pages a block to "mass add" new members to a list. These are added to
the list immediately without any confirmation from the ones added.

Is there an "Invite" function I'm missing that would allow me to invite a list of emails to the list
but would require those who want to accept the invitation to respond so they don't end up on a list
they don't want?

Damon Linkous
Hobie 18 Magnum
Memphis Tennessee
http://www.TheBeachcats.com
http://lists.thebeachcats.com/mailman/listinfo/beachcats





From mike at ascendency.net  Tue Mar 12 22:42:10 2002
From: mike at ascendency.net (Mike Loiterman)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:42:10 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Invite new members funtion?
In-Reply-To: <05ee01c1ca0e$93604f80$47ac5241@webchecker>
Message-ID: <002001c1ca0e$c4d87ec0$0301a8c0@mike>

 
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This sounds like a great feature.  I would be very interested in
something like this.

Mike Loiterman
mike at ascendency.net 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-
>admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Damon Linkous
>Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 3:41 PM
>To: Mailman-Users at python.org
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Invite new members funtion?
>
>I see in the administration pages a block to "mass add" new members
>to a list. These are added to
>the list immediately without any confirmation from the ones added.
>
>Is there an "Invite" function I'm missing that would allow me to
>invite a list of emails to the list
>but would require those who want to accept the invitation to respond
>so they don't end up on a list
>they don't want?
>
>Damon Linkous
>Hobie 18 Magnum
>Memphis Tennessee
>http://www.TheBeachcats.com
>http://lists.thebeachcats.com/mailman/listinfo/beachcats
>
>
>
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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Tue Mar 12 22:56:34 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:56:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Invite new members funtion?
In-Reply-To: <05ee01c1ca0e$93604f80$47ac5241@webchecker>
References: <05ee01c1ca0e$93604f80$47ac5241@webchecker>
Message-ID: <20020312215633.GT23754@merlins.org>

On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 03:40:48PM -0600, Damon Linkous wrote:
> Is there an "Invite" function I'm missing  that would allow me to invite a
> list of emails to the list but  would require those who want to accept the
> invitation to respond so they don't end up on a list they don't want?

Nope, there isn't.
It's  actually a  useful feature,  I've wanted  it for  sourceforge.net too,
where I unfortunately can't let list admins mass subscribe anyone they want.

Considering how much time I've been  spending on the mailman code these last
2 weeks, I could almost code this, but I also know Barry has to start saying
no at some point and put mailman 2.1 into beta/feature freeze, and I already
have one last patch I'm trying to get in :-)

What this means  is that unless Barry  steps up and says that  he'd like the
feature in 2.1, I  may just code this as a patch a  bit later and distribute
it outside of mailman until the 2.2cvs tree opens.

Marc
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From alex at phred.org  Tue Mar 12 23:08:07 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:08:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] suggestion: rework bounce handling code
Message-ID: <20020312140326.Y53579-100000@phred.org>

The current code turns on the "disable mail delivery" flag for the
user or unsubscribes them.

I'd prefer to see two disable mail delivery flags, one that is
set/unset by the user (for people who just want to read via the
archives) and one that is set by the bounce logic, and unset by the
user.

I'd like this because one of the biggest admin tasks that I have now
is walking through re-enabling people's mail delivery and explaining
to them why they are no longer getting list mail.  With two flags I
could write a script which went through the lists every night and sent
an email to everyone who had the "bounced - disabled" flag set.  This
email could tell them how to fix their mail delivery, and tell them
why it occured in the first place.

This is one thing that EzMLM handles more nicely that mailman.  When
email bounces it sends the subscriber a bounce report and tells them
how to get back the email that they've missed.

Has this logic changed at all in 2.1?

alex




From todeanna at mis.net  Tue Mar 12 23:11:43 2002
From: todeanna at mis.net (Tod and Deanna Mascle)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:11:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Count me confused...
Message-ID: <001e01c1ca12$e5635940$2b301cce@8tjp801>

Strange happenings with my mailman lists that I do not understand.

First, the root address changed from my domain to swweb4.smartnoc.net  without my doing anything.  Now when try to use the previous address (for ex. http://deannamascle.com/mailman/admindb/deannatest_deannamascle.com)

all I get is an error page.

Even worse, when I send a message to the list I get notification it is pending but when I log on it is not there.

What is going on?

Deanna

Deanna Mascle
http://www.deannamascle.com
A Trivia Break
http://atriviabreak.quizqueen.net
The QuizQueen
http://www.quizqueen.net
JustFolks
http://www.justfolks.net
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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Tue Mar 12 23:29:22 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:29:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] suggestion: rework bounce handling code
In-Reply-To: <20020312140326.Y53579-100000@phred.org>
References: <20020312140326.Y53579-100000@phred.org>
Message-ID: <20020312222922.GU23754@merlins.org>

On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 02:08:07PM -0800, alex wetmore wrote:
> The current code turns on the "disable mail delivery" flag for the
> user or unsubscribes them.
> 
> I'd prefer to see two disable mail delivery flags, one that is
> set/unset by the user (for people who just want to read via the
> archives) and one that is set by the bounce logic, and unset by the
> user.
 
I've  already  asked  for  that,  you  wish  has  already  been  granted  in
mailman-cvs (upcoming 2.1) :-)
(thanks Barry)
 
> I'd like this because one of the biggest admin tasks that I have now
> is walking through re-enabling people's mail delivery and explaining
> to them why they are no longer getting list mail.  With two flags I
> could write a script which went through the lists every night and sent
> an email to everyone who had the "bounced - disabled" flag set.  This
> email could tell them how to fix their mail delivery, and tell them
> why it occured in the first place.

I have my lists setup to kick people off the list, much easier that way :-)
(but then I am a BOFH)
Anyway, yes, you'll be able to do that.

> This is one thing that EzMLM handles more nicely that mailman.  When
> email bounces it sends the subscriber a bounce report and tells them
> how to get back the email that they've missed.
> Has this logic changed at all in 2.1?

Mailman  cvs now  supports VERP, which  will give  you  the accurate  bounce
processing that EzMLM does  (if you want it, the price  to pay is additional
load).
Mailman however does not keep track of which messages you have not received
if you were bouncing.
Between you and me, if your mail  was bouncing, you can go read the archives
or download an archive mailbox and add that to your list folder.

Marc
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From nick at redhot.com.au  Wed Mar 13 02:48:31 2002
From: nick at redhot.com.au (Nick)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:48:31 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman doesn't create List Owner
Message-ID: <001001c1ca31$2e23f040$5a960bd2@nuwebhost.netunltd.com.au>

Hi,
I've installed Mailman on a debian system running postfix. I can add newlists, and subscribe but when i go to confirm my subscription I get a user not found (listname-request). I have created several lists but none of the create the necessary users although the script indicates that this has been done.

Can someone please shed some light on this problem for me

Nick Cockinos
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From nick at redhot.com.au  Wed Mar 13 02:57:03 2002
From: nick at redhot.com.au (Nick)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:57:03 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman doesn't create List Owner
Message-ID: <002c01c1ca32$5f2106a0$5a960bd2@nuwebhost.netunltd.com.au>

Hi,
I've installed Mailman on a debian system running postfix. I can add
newlists, and subscribe but when i go to confirm my subscription I get a
user not found (listname-request). I have created several lists but none of
the create the necessary users although the script indicates that this has
been done.

Can someone please shed some light on this problem for me

Nick Cockinos




From alan at cesma.usb.ve  Wed Mar 13 03:27:37 2002
From: alan at cesma.usb.ve (Alan Mizrahi)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:27:37 -0400 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim 3.22 & mailman 2.08
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.32.0203122218170.16560-100000@Lituma>

Hello, I have problems with exim 3.22 and mailman 2.08.
I installed everything, and created a list, when I subscribe to the list I
get a mail asking to confirm, I send the confirmation but my
confirmation is ignored (and the list is always empty).

I read the exim & mailman HOWTO, but the problem is that I have to configure
mailman using --prefix=/serv/www/mailman and
--with-var-prefix=/var/mail/mailman, this is the command line:
./configure --prefix=/serv/www/mailman --with-var-prefix=/var/mail/mailman
--with-mail-uid=mailman --with-gid=daemon --with-cgi-gid=nobody

I think the problem is with my list_request_transport, but I couldn't find
the problem (keep reading).

This is what I added to my exim configuration file for mailman:

# Main config section:
MAILMAN_HOME=/serv/www/mailman
MAILMAN_VAR=/var/mail/mailman
MAILMAN_WRAP=MAILMAN_HOME/mail/wrapper
MAILMAN_UID=mailman
MAILMAN_GID=daemon
#Transport section:
list_transport:
           driver = pipe
           command = MAILMAN_WRAP post ${lc:$local_part}
           current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           user = MAILMAN_UID
           group = MAILMAN_GID

list_request_transport:
           driver = pipe
           command = MAILMAN_WRAP mailcmd ${lc:$local_part}
# The following is a fake mailman_wrapper, so I could know that it really
# gets executed when receiving subscription confirmation, and it executed
# with parameters: mailcmd <listname>
# But nothing happens afterwards
#       command = /var/tmp/mailman_wrapper mailcmd ${lc:$local_part}
           current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           user = MAILMAN_UID
           group = MAILMAN_GID

list_admin_transport:
           driver = pipe
           command = MAILMAN_WRAP mailowner ${lc:$local_part}
           current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           user = MAILMAN_UID
           group = MAILMAN_GID
# Directors:
list_admin_director:
   driver = smartuser
   suffix = -admin
   require_files = MAILMAN_VAR/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
   transport = list_admin_transport

list_request_director:
   driver = smartuser
   suffix = -request
   require_files = MAILMAN_VAR/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
   transport = list_request_transport

list_director:
   driver = smartuser
   require_files = MAILMAN_VAR/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
   transport = list_transport


Can anybody help me please?
Thanks in advance.


			Alan Mizrahi
			Universidad Simon Bolivar
			CESMA
			alan at cesma.usb.ve




From zmoelnig at iem.kug.ac.at  Wed Mar 13 09:12:22 2002
From: zmoelnig at iem.kug.ac.at (IOhannes m zmoelnig)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:12:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman doesn't create List Owner
References: <002c01c1ca32$5f2106a0$5a960bd2@nuwebhost.netunltd.com.au>
Message-ID: <3C8F09E6.8080207@iem.kug.ac.at>

Nick wrote:
> Hi,
> I've installed Mailman on a debian system running postfix. I can add
> newlists, and subscribe but when i go to confirm my subscription I get a
> user not found (listname-request). I have created several lists but none of
> the create the necessary users although the script indicates that this has
> been done.
> 
> Can someone please shed some light on this problem for me
> 
you have to append the lines you get from the newlist-command to your 
/etc/aliases files.
the easiest way is to use the "-o" option like
"newlist -o /etc/aliases my_list"

mfg.cdsa.dr
IOhannes



> Nick Cockinos
> 




From jessica at anticlockwise.com  Wed Mar 13 09:15:21 2002
From: jessica at anticlockwise.com (Jessica Koeppel)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 00:15:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman doesn't create List Owner 
In-Reply-To: Message from IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig@iem.kug.ac.at> 
   of "Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:12:22 +0100." <3C8F09E6.8080207@iem.kug.ac.at> 
Message-ID: <20020313081526.548A240B@lenin.anticlockwise.com>

and don't forget that most mail servers' configurations 
will require you to run something to get the mail server
to recognize the new aliases (ie; sendmail's "newaliases",
and postfix's newaliases or "postalias hash:/path/to/aliases-file"
or whatever's appropriate for your configuration).

-jessica


IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
>Nick wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I've installed Mailman on a debian system running postfix. I can add
>> newlists, and subscribe but when i go to confirm my subscription I get a
>> user not found (listname-request). I have created several lists but none of
>> the create the necessary users although the script indicates that this has
>> been done.
>> 
>> Can someone please shed some light on this problem for me
>> 
>you have to append the lines you get from the newlist-command to your 
>/etc/aliases files.
>the easiest way is to use the "-o" option like
>"newlist -o /etc/aliases my_list"
>
>mfg.cdsa.dr
>IOhannes
>
>
>
>> Nick Cockinos
>> 
>
>
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From nick at redhot.com.au  Wed Mar 13 10:39:20 2002
From: nick at redhot.com.au (Nick Cockinos)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:39:20 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble Creating List Owners
Message-ID: <1016012360.3c8f1e4896b7d@ns02.netunltd.com.au>

Hi,
Thnaks to those who helped eralier. Your suggestions helped get the list owner 
aliases into the /etc/aliases file.

I'm still having trouble understanding this though. When I create a list 
(./newlist -o /etc/aliases new_list) aliases ar created as follows:

new_list "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post new_list" 
new_list-admin "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner new_list" 
new_list-request "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd new_list" 
new_list-owner new_list-admin 

Should the user new_list-admin be created locally or can it be any valid email 
address? I have added new_list-admin which accepts mail ok, but what about 
new_list-request and new_list? 
Should these be added manually? 
Should they be created when the list is created?
Is there something I have to reconfigure woth wrapper to get this working?

My system is Debian 4.5 and Postfix version unknown

Thanks in advance for your help and patience

Nick Cockinos



From nick at redhot.com.au  Wed Mar 13 11:04:08 2002
From: nick at redhot.com.au (Nick Cockinos)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:04:08 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID problem
Message-ID: <1016013848.3c8f241870830@ns02.netunltd.com.au>

Hi,
After adding new_list-request and replying to my subscribe email I get the 
following error. I have set the gid to 8 (I think)



The Postfix program

<new_list-request at my.server.com>: Command died with status 2:
    "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd new_list". Command output: Failure to
    exec script. WANTED gid 8, GOT gid 65534.  (Reconfigure to take 65534?)


Thanks in advance

Nick Cockinos



From zmoelnig at iem.kug.ac.at  Wed Mar 13 11:16:09 2002
From: zmoelnig at iem.kug.ac.at (IOhannes m zmoelnig)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:16:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble Creating List Owners
References: <1016012360.3c8f1e4896b7d@ns02.netunltd.com.au>
Message-ID: <3C8F26E9.1020500@iem.kug.ac.at>

Nick Cockinos wrote:
> Hi,
> Thnaks to those who helped eralier. Your suggestions helped get the list owner 
> aliases into the /etc/aliases file.
> 
> I'm still having trouble understanding this though. When I create a list 
> (./newlist -o /etc/aliases new_list) aliases ar created as follows:
> 
> new_list "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post new_list" 
> new_list-admin "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner new_list" 
> new_list-request "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd new_list" 
> new_list-owner new_list-admin 
> 
> Should the user new_list-admin be created locally or can it be any valid email 
> address? I have added new_list-admin which accepts mail ok, but what about 
> new_list-request and new_list? 
> Should these be added manually? 
> Should they be created when the list is created?
> Is there something I have to reconfigure woth wrapper to get this working?

"new_list-owner" etc are no real users, but only mail-aliases.
so every mail that is sent to such "user" will be piped throug the 
mailman-wrapper and sent accordingly

mfg.cd.asr
IOhannes




From mihail.tsagidis at bay4you.de  Wed Mar 13 13:41:55 2002
From: mihail.tsagidis at bay4you.de (Mihail Tsagidis)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:41:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM-Results
In-Reply-To: <3C8F26E9.1020500@iem.kug.ac.at>
Message-ID: <JHEKLBGMBHPFIBJOBIFDEEKFCAAA.mihail.tsagidis@bay4you.de>

Hello,

When I edit the code for "Subscrition Results Page" there are some given
Mailman fields like <MM-Results>.

Is there a possibility to access the list of these Mailman fields that we
can use?

Best regards,
Mihail Tsagidis

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Tel. 0911 / 81025-0
Fax. 0911 / 81025-11
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From mihail.tsagidis at bay4you.de  Wed Mar 13 13:41:56 2002
From: mihail.tsagidis at bay4you.de (Mihail Tsagidis)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:41:56 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing Mailman-Fields (where?)
In-Reply-To: <3C8F26E9.1020500@iem.kug.ac.at>
Message-ID: <JHEKLBGMBHPFIBJOBIFDGEKFCAAA.mihail.tsagidis@bay4you.de>

Hello,

I want to change the text for the <MM-Result> field.

The List is administered by our service-provider, but the tech-personal have
no clue how to do that.

Maybe you can point me in some direction, where we have to make the changes.
I think, this is a file somewhere that we have to edit only, isn't it?

Thanks for any help,
Mihail Tsagidis

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D-90403 Nurnberg
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Fax. 0911 / 81025-11
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From jonas at freesources.org  Wed Mar 13 13:44:45 2002
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:44:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to set up a world-writable list.
In-Reply-To: <20020306125616.GA2253@jonas.server0.de>
References: <20020306125616.GA2253@jonas.server0.de>
Message-ID: <20020313124445.GA3154@jonas.server0.de>

On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 01:56:16PM +0100, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> How can I set up a list where everyone can write?

This still doesn't work. My Privacy Options:
---
Advertise this list when people ask what lists are on ... <yes>
What steps are required for subscription? <confirm>
Who can view subscribers list? <anyone>
Show member addrs so they're not directly recogn ... <yes>
Must posts be approved by administrator? <no>
Restrict posting privilege to list members? <no>
Addresses of members accepted for posting to ... <>
Must posts have list name in destination? <yes>
Alias name which qualify as explicit ... <>
Ceiling on acceptable number of recipients for a posting <10>
Addresses whose postings are allways held for approval <>
Hold posts with header value matching a specified <default entries>
Hide the sender of message, replacing it with the ... <no>
---

What else could be the problem? I really wanna everyone be able to post
without approval of administrator.

Bye
 Jonas

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"Because we use vim, son. They use emacs."



From mbrenner at naviant.com  Wed Mar 13 13:55:37 2002
From: mbrenner at naviant.com (Michael C. Brenner)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 07:55:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Qmail (wont deliver offsite)
In-Reply-To: <20020311214350.71158.qmail@web21412.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020313074735.025e74f0@phlpop.naviant.com>

I fixed mine (qmail on FreeBSD) by allowing localhost to relay. I added the 
following to the top of /etc/hosts.allow

tcp-env: 127. 10.11.12.13 : setenv RELAYCLIENT

This command allows access for tcp-env (the tcp wrapper in inetd.conf for 
smtp) from 127.x.x.x subnet and from my local ip address 10.11.12.13. If I 
had multiple local servers, I might have made it 10.11.12 so any host on 
the 10.11.12.x subnet could relay locally. See the README.QMAIL in your 
install directory.
MB

At 04:43 PM 3/11/2002, Elizabeth Strumph wrote:
>Hello
>
>I've setup mailman with qmail on openBSD. I am able
>to receive mail on the host, and to send mail offsite.
>
>I can also subscribe to Mailman lists etc. if I do
>so from a user on the machine running mailman.
>
>When a user from another domain tries to subscribe,
>either through the web interface or through
>listname-request, nothing happens.
>
>Looking through /var/spool/mailman/logs/bounce when
>I tried to subscribe abu at bar.com (what is 'first' ?):
>
>
>Mar 11 16:50:39 2002 (14901) Test:abu at bar.com - first
>
>
>Nothing shows up in /var/log/maillog when this happns,
>though if the req came from localhost, I would see
>sensible logs there.
>
>Thanks much in advance,
>-Elizabeth
>
>
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From nick at redhot.com.au  Wed Mar 13 14:27:10 2002
From: nick at redhot.com.au (Nick Cockinos)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:27:10 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Progressive problem follow up
Message-ID: <1016026030.3c8f53ae189f8@ns02.netunltd.com.au>

Hi all, 
OK,so now I've got over the, creation of list owners and setting of the gid and 
i've even been able to send out a message to the list without it bouncing. This 
is the thing...

When I send a message to new_list at my.server.com, I get no reply, evenas the 
list owner or list member manually entered. If i send a help request i get 
nothing back yet if I sign up using either manual or web based sign-up I get 
the confirmation request.

Any ideas are greaty appreciated.

Thanks to Dirk for previous replies and thanks inadvance to those who can help

Nick Cockinos



From camel at lrllamas.com  Wed Mar 13 14:27:01 2002
From: camel at lrllamas.com (Jay S Curtis)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:27:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 beta question / html question
Message-ID: <20020313132701.C619C8741@camel.lrllamas.com>

RH finally upgraded perl to 5.6.1, so will the MM 2.1 beta install/work 
(upgrading from 2.0.8)? Q2 - I know this has been asked, but will there ever 
be an "HTML_reject" option? -- Jay S. Curtis




From jonas at freesources.org  Wed Mar 13 15:26:22 2002
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:26:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to set up a world-writable list.
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020313142343.00a9e728@mail.munichhead.multibyte.de>
References: <20020306125616.GA2253@jonas.server0.de> <20020306125616.GA2253@jonas.server0.de> <5.1.0.14.0.20020313142343.00a9e728@mail.munichhead.multibyte.de>
Message-ID: <20020313142622.GB5008@jonas.server0.de>

On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:24:35PM +0100, Dirk H. Schulz wrote:
> >This still doesn't work. My Privacy Options:
> >---
> > [ Privacy Options ]
> >---
> >
> >What else could be the problem? I really wanna everyone be able to post
> >without approval of administrator.
> 
> What exactly is the problem that occurs if you try to mail to the list from 
> an outside account? Are there any error messages?

Admin gets a mail that he have to approve a posting and poster gets a
mail that his posting is hold for approval.

Bye
 Jonas

-- 
Be careful with water -- it's full of hydrogen and oxygen!



From mhm at austin.ibm.com  Wed Mar 13 16:52:35 2002
From: mhm at austin.ibm.com (Michael H Moran)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:52:35 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner unable to acquire lock
Message-ID: <20020313095235.A13533@austin.ibm.com>

Is there anyway to get more specific information?  I suspect
I'm seeing this as a result of a very large message going
out.  But I don't see any information in the logs to say what
actually caused the problem.

Am I missing something ?

Mike



From ridalski at nandomedia.com  Wed Mar 13 17:04:15 2002
From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:04:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Simple question about archive times...
In-Reply-To: <BLEHLLIICEGMNCNLJIOGIENCCGAA.ridalski@nandomedia.com>
Message-ID: <BLEHLLIICEGMNCNLJIOGOENKCGAA.ridalski@nandomedia.com>

I think I just need a little bit of enlightenment here. When viewing the
archives for some of my lists I'll see the times as UT ( Thu, 7 Mar 2002
16:04:58 UT ), an other times like this : ( Tue, 5 Mar 2002
12:03:05 -0500 ).  I'm not seeing any consistency as to why it sometimes
assigns the UT, and other times the -500. Can anyone tell me how I can make
all the archive times match, either all UT, or none UT? Not overly
important, but I have had a few complaints.

Thanks,

---------------
Richard Idalski
NandoMedia     
919.829.4805 (office)   
AIM: Ryusonuke  
--------------- 



From zmoelnig at iem.kug.ac.at  Wed Mar 13 18:12:39 2002
From: zmoelnig at iem.kug.ac.at (IOhannes m zmoelnig)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:12:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive dates
Message-ID: <3C8F8887.2090004@iem.kug.ac.at>

hi !

is there a possibility to get other default names for the arcvhiving 
directories (in the forthcoming release of mailman) ?

if i choose to archive monthly (which is great for the list i am 
administrating) i will get archive names like "2002-March".
I would prefer "2002-03".
is there a possibility (or will there be one) to achieve this
without editing the Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py script (i do not want 
to do this, because the next time, i will update my Debian-distro my 
changes will become useless)

mfg.as.dr
IOhannes




From jonas at freesources.org  Wed Mar 13 18:43:18 2002
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:43:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to set up a world-writable list.
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020313183311.00abc3e0@mail.munichhead.multibyte.de>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020313142343.00a9e728@mail.munichhead.multibyte.de> <20020306125616.GA2253@jonas.server0.de> <20020306125616.GA2253@jonas.server0.de> <5.1.0.14.0.20020313142343.00a9e728@mail.munichhead.multibyte.de> <5.1.0.14.0.20020313183311.00abc3e0@mail.munichhead.multibyte.de>
Message-ID: <20020313174318.GB27357@jonas.server0.de>

On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:34:46PM +0100, Dirk H. Schulz wrote:
> >Admin gets a mail that he have to approve a posting and poster gets a
> >mail that his posting is hold for approval.
> 
> Did you compare web based config and the config file? Perhaps there is 
> something different? Seems a bit mysterious. How do you config in general: 
> web based, file based or with the scripts?

Why don't you answer to the list?
I configure web based in general.
What could be the problem in Default.py|mm_cfg.py?
I changed nothing in mm_cfg.py what's related to this.
But maybe a default in Default.py?

Bye
 Jonas

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From dirk.schulz at multibyte.de  Wed Mar 13 18:58:51 2002
From: dirk.schulz at multibyte.de (Dirk H. Schulz)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:58:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to set up a world-writable list.
In-Reply-To: <20020313174318.GB27357@jonas.server0.de>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020313183311.00abc3e0@mail.munichhead.multibyte.de>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20020313142343.00a9e728@mail.munichhead.multibyte.de>
 <20020306125616.GA2253@jonas.server0.de>
 <20020306125616.GA2253@jonas.server0.de>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20020313142343.00a9e728@mail.munichhead.multibyte.de>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20020313183311.00abc3e0@mail.munichhead.multibyte.de>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020313185528.00aa68c8@mail.munichhead.multibyte.de>

At 18:43 13.03.2002 +0100, you wrote:
>On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:34:46PM +0100, Dirk H. Schulz wrote:
> > >Admin gets a mail that he have to approve a posting and poster gets a
> > >mail that his posting is hold for approval.
> >
> > Did you compare web based config and the config file? Perhaps there is
> > something different? Seems a bit mysterious. How do you config in general:
> > web based, file based or with the scripts?
>
>Why don't you answer to the list?

Because the reply-to for the list is set to the poster's adress. That looks 
like being done on purpose.

>I configure web based in general.
>What could be the problem in Default.py|mm_cfg.py?

The thought was: If you have configured it correct on the web page, there 
must be a competing configuration.

>I changed nothing in mm_cfg.py what's related to this.
>But maybe a default in Default.py?

I do not know something specific. Just a way to look for an answer. There 
must be two configurations that do not match.

Dirk




From cassagne at club-internet.fr  Wed Mar 13 18:35:06 2002
From: cassagne at club-internet.fr (Herve Cassagne)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:35:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Your advice about searching the archives of this list
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020313182056.00d0e660@mail.club-internet.fr>

Dear fellow Mailman-Users members,


I've just subscribed to this list, and of course
before asking any question I want to take a look
at the archives (having already read the f**
manual as well as the FAQ -which BTW is a bit
too technical for me...).

Since there is no search function in these archives,
I'm asking you your advice on what to do to
make an efficient search:

Maybe "download the full raw archive"...
and then what ? What search tool should I use,
knowing that I am a poor Win 98 user ?

Or should I simply use Google, since the archives
are public ?

Thanks in advance,
Herve'

---
Herve Cassagne
Paris, France
Owner of JLISTE, French online news forum
... running soon with Mailman :-)
---




From sebold at lcms.org  Wed Mar 13 19:09:34 2002
From: sebold at lcms.org (Charles Sebold)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:09:34 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Your advice about searching the archives of
 this list
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020313182056.00d0e660@mail.club-internet.fr> (Herve
 Cassagne's message of "Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:35:06 +0100")
References: <4.2.0.58.20020313182056.00d0e660@mail.club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <874rjkmja9.fsf@sebold.lcms.org>

On 29 Adar 5762, Herve Cassagne wrote:

> Maybe "download the full raw archive"...
> and then what ? What search tool should I use,
> knowing that I am a poor Win 98 user ?

Actually I think Eudora can read or import mbox files (assuming you
don't mind using the email client you apparently used to post this
message).  The archive is just an mbox file.
-- 
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From trea at reatech.com  Wed Mar 13 22:12:56 2002
From: trea at reatech.com (Tim Rea)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:12:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I recover email addresses?
Message-ID: <ABEIKCELHEMGMMEFMNKDMEDACEAA.trea@reatech.com>

I recently had to completely reformat my primary harddrive and reinstall
Linux from scratch.  I had to do this because someone hacked into my box and
messed everything up.  The admins at my datacenter did the reinstall and now
my system is back up.

The good news is that I have a second disk in the machine that is a backup
of the primary disk so I have a backup of ALL my files.  Now I am
reinstalling everything from scratch including Mailman.  I was using Mailman
1.1.  Now I am installing Mailman 2.1.  I was managing several mailing lists
for my customers using Mailman 1.1.

My question:
How can I retrieve all the emails for the old mailing lists?  I have all the
files but have not been able to locate the "database" that contains all the
email addresses for each mailing list.  I would like to install and
configure Mailman 2.1 and recreate the mailing lists.  Then I want to
retrieve all the email addresses from the old files/"databases" and import
them into the new mailing lists.  Can this be done?  I hope so since my
customers have lists with thousands of email addresses and there is no way
for me to recreate the list of addresses unless I can retrieve them from the
old backup files.

Can you help me?

Thanks,
Tim Rea




From ridalski at nandomedia.com  Wed Mar 13 20:21:00 2002
From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:21:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Simple question about archive times...
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020313183524.00aab170@mail.munichhead.multibyte.de>
Message-ID: <BLEHLLIICEGMNCNLJIOGCENOCGAA.ridalski@nandomedia.com>

How can I configure this? ATM it looks as though its configured by the
posted mail time, I'd like to change this to time on the mailman server. Can
anyone give me a clue on how to do this?

---------------
Richard Idalski
NandoMedia
919.829.4805 (office)
AIM: Ryusonuke
---------------


-----Original Message-----
From: Dirk H. Schulz [mailto:dirk.schulz at multibyte.de]
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 12:37 PM
To: Richard Idalski
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Simple question about archive times...


Hi Richard,

At 11:04 13.03.2002 -0500, you wrote:

>I think I just need a little bit of enlightenment here. When viewing the
>archives for some of my lists I'll see the times as UT ( Thu, 7 Mar 2002
>16:04:58 UT ), an other times like this : ( Tue, 5 Mar 2002
>12:03:05 -0500 ).  I'm not seeing any consistency as to why it sometimes
>assigns the UT, and other times the -500. Can anyone tell me how I can make
>all the archive times match, either all UT, or none UT?

You can configure the time to be taken from either the posted mail (differs
as much as the computers in the world are configured differently) or from
the mailman server when receiving the time.

If you look into the archives of the mailman user list, there are already
postings dated from the year 2006 ....

Dirk





From trea at reatech.com  Wed Mar 13 23:20:45 2002
From: trea at reatech.com (Tim Rea)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:20:45 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Which file are the email addresses stored in???
Message-ID: <ABEIKCELHEMGMMEFMNKDGEDBCEAA.trea@reatech.com>

Does anyone know which file the email addresses are stored in for a given
mailing list?  I have been using Mailman 1.1 and I am upgrading to 2.1.  I
need to extract the addresses from the 1.1 files since the old list manager
is not running anymore.

Thanks for any help,
Tim Rea




From dirk.schulz at multibyte.de  Wed Mar 13 20:34:46 2002
From: dirk.schulz at multibyte.de (Dirk H. Schulz)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:34:46 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Simple question about archive times...
In-Reply-To: <BLEHLLIICEGMNCNLJIOGCENOCGAA.ridalski@nandomedia.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020313183524.00aab170@mail.munichhead.multibyte.de>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020313203207.00ab2508@mail.munichhead.multibyte.de>

At 14:21 13.03.2002 -0500, you wrote:
>How can I configure this?

Go to the administration page, select "Archival Options", on that page it 
is the third option.

>ATM it looks as though its configured by the
>posted mail time, I'd like to change this to time on the mailman server. Can
>anyone give me a clue on how to do this?

See above.

Dirk


>---------------
>Richard Idalski
>NandoMedia
>919.829.4805 (office)
>AIM: Ryusonuke
>---------------
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dirk H. Schulz [mailto:dirk.schulz at multibyte.de]
>Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 12:37 PM
>To: Richard Idalski
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Simple question about archive times...
>
>
>Hi Richard,
>
>At 11:04 13.03.2002 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >I think I just need a little bit of enlightenment here. When viewing the
> >archives for some of my lists I'll see the times as UT ( Thu, 7 Mar 2002
> >16:04:58 UT ), an other times like this : ( Tue, 5 Mar 2002
> >12:03:05 -0500 ).  I'm not seeing any consistency as to why it sometimes
> >assigns the UT, and other times the -500. Can anyone tell me how I can make
> >all the archive times match, either all UT, or none UT?
>
>You can configure the time to be taken from either the posted mail (differs
>as much as the computers in the world are configured differently) or from
>the mailman server when receiving the time.
>
>If you look into the archives of the mailman user list, there are already
>postings dated from the year 2006 ....
>
>Dirk
>
>
>
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From margy at gurus.com  Wed Mar 13 21:01:03 2002
From: margy at gurus.com (Margaret Levine Young)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:01:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking a user from subscribing
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020313145931.01c30438@imap.iecc.com>

We have set up a series of actions for a list manager to take if a 
subscriber is breaking the list rules, starting with one-week 
hand-moderation (so the list managers have to approve the subscriber's 
posts). The final action is to throw the person off the list.

Is there a way to tell Mailman to ignore subscription requests from a 
specific address? In ListProc, we could add the address to an IGNORE file.

Margy Levine Young <margy at gurus.com>
Coauthor of "The Internet For Dummies" <http://net.gurus.com> and "Poor
Richard's Building Online Communities" <http://www.topfloor.com>. Looking
for kids' videos? Check out <http://www.greattapes.com>




From jonc at haht.com  Wed Mar 13 21:07:26 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:07:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Which file are the email addresses stored in???
References: <ABEIKCELHEMGMMEFMNKDGEDBCEAA.trea@reatech.com>
Message-ID: <00f801c1caca$b25935c0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

They probably stored in a simple database, but you can dump them out by
using the commands that come with Mailman:
~mailman/bin/list_members <listname>

HtH - Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Rea" <trea at reatech.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 5:20 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Which file are the email addresses stored in???


>
> Does anyone know which file the email addresses are stored in for a given
> mailing list?  I have been using Mailman 1.1 and I am upgrading to 2.1.  I
> need to extract the addresses from the 1.1 files since the old list
manager
> is not running anymore.
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Tim Rea
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From jonc at haht.com  Wed Mar 13 21:14:22 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:14:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I recover email addresses?
References: <ABEIKCELHEMGMMEFMNKDMEDACEAA.trea@reatech.com>
Message-ID: <010001c1cacb$aa520b80$0b04010a@JCARNES>

I don't know about ancient times (like back in the days of MM v1.1) but the
databases today are stored off the home directory of mailman (generally:
/home/mailman/lists/<listname>/....).  If you look at the commands that come
with Mailman you will find several that can be of help to you:
  list_members
  dumpdb

To get "list_members" to work, you may have to move the directory structure
so that the lists once again hang off of the home directory of the user
Mailman.

If you have trouble accessing them, then let us know, I'll wager that
someone on the list can crack open the databases and get at the list info
for you.

Good Luck,
Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Rea" <trea at reatech.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:12 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I recover email addresses?


> I recently had to completely reformat my primary harddrive and reinstall
> Linux from scratch.  I had to do this because someone hacked into my box
and
> messed everything up.  The admins at my datacenter did the reinstall and
now
> my system is back up.
>
> The good news is that I have a second disk in the machine that is a backup
> of the primary disk so I have a backup of ALL my files.  Now I am
> reinstalling everything from scratch including Mailman.  I was using
Mailman
> 1.1.  Now I am installing Mailman 2.1.  I was managing several mailing
lists
> for my customers using Mailman 1.1.
>
> My question:
> How can I retrieve all the emails for the old mailing lists?  I have all
the
> files but have not been able to locate the "database" that contains all
the
> email addresses for each mailing list.  I would like to install and
> configure Mailman 2.1 and recreate the mailing lists.  Then I want to
> retrieve all the email addresses from the old files/"databases" and import
> them into the new mailing lists.  Can this be done?  I hope so since my
> customers have lists with thousands of email addresses and there is no way
> for me to recreate the list of addresses unless I can retrieve them from
the
> old backup files.
>
> Can you help me?
>
> Thanks,
> Tim Rea
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From jonc at haht.com  Wed Mar 13 21:27:04 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:27:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive dates
References: <3C8F8887.2090004@iem.kug.ac.at>
Message-ID: <010e01c1cacd$70e7cb30$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Three possibilities:

1) Write the patch and submit it... Someone else might like it to.  Also if
you really do it up right and make your patch key off an option in the
mm_cfg.py file then it might get included in the next release...
Immortality awaits you.

2) Write a cron-job that follows on the heels of the archive cron and
re-writes the archive html files so that they are in the format you want,
and then wait for someone else writes the new feature...

3) Live without it.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "IOhannes m zmoelnig" <zmoelnig at iem.kug.ac.at>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 12:12 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive dates


> hi !
>
> is there a possibility to get other default names for the arcvhiving
> directories (in the forthcoming release of mailman) ?
>
> if i choose to archive monthly (which is great for the list i am
> administrating) i will get archive names like "2002-March".
> I would prefer "2002-03".
> is there a possibility (or will there be one) to achieve this
> without editing the Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py script (i do not want
> to do this, because the next time, i will update my Debian-distro my
> changes will become useless)
>
> mfg.as.dr
> IOhannes
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From dirk.schulz at multibyte.de  Wed Mar 13 22:27:26 2002
From: dirk.schulz at multibyte.de (Dirk H. Schulz)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:27:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lists for virtual hosts
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020313222351.00ace880@mail.munichhead.multibyte.de>

Hello Listies,

has anyone of you succeeded in running lists for virtual hosts (virtual 
hosting by name, not by IP-adress)?

If so, any hint on hidden dangers would be greatly appreciated.

Can I e.g. simply change the host name in the config? Or does that lead to 
trouble?

Thanks,

Dirk




From James.Madill at duke.edu  Wed Mar 13 22:40:02 2002
From: James.Madill at duke.edu (James Madill)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:40:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman can't handle MIME: Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable?
Message-ID: <OFBF423519.24F5C63E-ON85256B7B.00757A3F@mc.duke.edu>

Users of one of my mailing lists got a nasty surprise when a posted 
message was repeatedly sent to them.

I traced the problem down to an instance of the standard End-Of-Message 
marker (a lone period on a line) in the middle of the posted message.

The posted message contained extended ASCII characters encoded using the 
MIME Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable format.  There was what 
appeared to be soft returns at column 72.  This message happened to have a 
paragraph that ended on column 73, so the "soft return" resulted in the 
period alone on the next line.

Sendmail accepted the encoded document for Mailman, but on sending out, 
Mailman encountered what it thought was an EOM marker and stopped the 
processing of the message at that point.  Unfortunately, there was still 
plenty of message left to send, so it was not removed from the queue, and 
Mailman kept on sending the first portion.

The smtp daemon is sendmail 8.12.1.  Mailman is version 2.0.8 with 
DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' in Defaults.py.

Am I missing some Mailman switch to tell it to recognize messages with the 
Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable tag?

-- James

      o o o o o o o . . .   _______________________ _______=======_T___
    o      _____            |James Madill         | |Duke Univ Med Ctr|
 >.][__n_n_| D[  ====|____  |james.madill at duke.edu| | (919) 286-6384  |
  (________|__|_[____/____]_|_____________________|_|_________________|
 _/oo  O-O-O  `  oo     oo  'o^o^o           o^o^o` 'o^o           o^o`
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From fred at bytesforall.org  Wed Mar 13 21:09:18 2002
From: fred at bytesforall.org (Frederick Noronha)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 01:39:18 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commands via email...
In-Reply-To: <E16l3xR-0000Kz-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203140136520.792-100000@localhost.localdomain>

Hi Guys, I'm from India, where Internet access is (still) slow and
telephones (for dial-ups) are rather noisy.

So, email access is preferable to trying to log-onto the Web. To compound
matters, I live in a village.

Is it possible to send in approval commands via email (I used to do it
with Majordomo and Yahoogroups, but they are both difficult in other
ways) instead of having to log on via the Net?

Secondly, can the webpage generated by Mailman be made a little more
ambitious to allow (i) uploading photographs (ii) offering us stats, as
PHPnuke does?

Frederick NORONHA
--
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Email fred at bytesforall.org * SMS 9822122436 at attcell.net * Saligao Goa India
Writing with a difference... on what makes *the* difference





From jjohnson at umn.edu  Wed Mar 13 23:13:05 2002
From: jjohnson at umn.edu (Jeffrey M. Johnson)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:13:05 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation / Web Interface Error
References: <E16lGWT-0003dt-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <014f01c1cadc$3ff6f690$47626580@kermit>

I have run Mailman for a couple of years on a old Solaris on Intel box and
have recently purchased a new Sun Netra X1 to run my mail programs.

Currently I am running Solaris 2.8, Mailman 2.0.8, Python 2.1, openssl
0.9.6c

During the 'make install' one of the last lines is
/usr/bin/env: No such file or Directory
However there is no amplification of this error else where.


When I attempt to access Mailman via the web interface I get teh "Bug in
Mailman..."

The error log contains the following error (hand typed here)
admin(9415): ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python: fatal: relocation
error: file /usr/local/lib/python2.1/lib-dynload/_socket.so: symbol
SSL_set_fd referenced symbol not found

Any Ideas?

Thanks

Jeff




From skip at pobox.com  Wed Mar 13 23:15:43 2002
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:15:43 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commands via email...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203140136520.792-100000@localhost.localdomain>
References: <E16l3xR-0000Kz-00@mail.python.org>
        <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203140136520.792-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <15503.53135.504341.844611@12-248-41-177.client.attbi.com>

    Frederick> Is it possible to send in approval commands via email (I used
    Frederick> to do it with Majordomo and Yahoogroups, but they are both
    Frederick> difficult in other ways) instead of having to log on via the
    Frederick> Net?

Yup...  Try sending a message to the list's -request address with a message
body of just 'help' (no quotes).  You should get back a message like

    ***** help
    Help for ... mailing list:

    This is email command help for version 2.0.8 of the "Mailman" list
    manager.  The following describes commands you can send to get
    information about and control your subscription to Mailman lists at
    this site.  A command can be in the subject line or in the body of the
    message.

    Note that much of the following can also be accomplished via the World
    Wide Web, at:

        http://...

    In particular, you can use the Web site to have your password sent to
    your delivery address.

    ...

    The following commands are valid:

        subscribe [password] [digest-option] [address=<address>]
            ...

        unsubscribe <password> [address]
            ...

    ...

-- 
Skip Montanaro (skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/)
"... if I were on life-support, I'd rather have it run by a Gameboy than a
Windows box." - Cliff Wells



From 9jda2 at qlink.queensu.ca  Tue Mar 12 00:38:50 2002
From: 9jda2 at qlink.queensu.ca (Jon Abela)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:38:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] auto approve
Message-ID: <003001c1c955$e5dfff30$1000a8c0@5assedmonkey>

Hi guys, I guess you could say I'm somewhat new to Mailman.
My problem is that I'm running 4 mailing lists, which are under an umbrella
list.
What I need, is for emails that are approved from the umbrella list to be
automatically approved by the children lists under it.
ie.  Any email forwarded from the umbrella list (umbrella at thisplace.com) is
automatically sent to the subscribers of the children lists.

Now I've tried putting the umbrella list in the field that auto approves
emails:
"Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list without implicit
approval requirement. (See "Restrict ... to list members" for whether or not
this is in addition to allowing posting by list members"
but it doesn't work..
ie. I put umbrella at thisplace.com in that field. And it won't approve emails
that come from the umbrella list.

As it is now... I have to approve emails sent to the umbrella list, and then
approve them again for each of the child lists.
If anyone can provide any help it would be greatly appreciated.
Oh yea, I'm using Mailman 2.0.8
THANKS!
~Jon


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From peter at milsims.com.au  Tue Mar 12 02:05:09 2002
From: peter at milsims.com.au (Peter Stone)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:05:09 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <050e01c1c961$ffd8e620$0a00a8c0@peter>

Hi Mailman,
We are considering getting a email list management program for when we send out our weekly email of new products.
Currently, we have our email setup to record the email address of everyone's email that we reply to. We then email our newsletter out to all those people. (Around 1,000 names.) 
But some customers complain they don't want to go on the list, and we delete them. But of course, next time we answer one of their emails, they go back on the list.
What I would like to ask you is, can Mailmail automatically put customers email addresses into itself everytime we answer an email, and, when a customer requests not to be in the list, can Mailman remember that customers details in such a way that they don't get sent the weekly email?
Kind Regards
Peter
Jedko Games
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From andrew.clark at sge.net  Tue Mar 12 04:57:03 2002
From: andrew.clark at sge.net (andrew.clark at sge.net)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:57:03 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] News to Mail gateway setup
Message-ID: <OF4EA06C70.F5E0A52A-ONCA256B7A.0015856E@staff.sge.net>

> I can't think of a simple way for this, but here are two options:

> Use a separate program to gate the news into the mailing list, and have
the
> program use a specific user as the sender (or actually the forwarder of
the
> message).  This is they way I currently do it at one of the sites I
admin.


What software are you using at that site?

> Modify the Source Code so that the News-to-Mail gateway adds a special
> header to signify approval - then modify the approval module to look for
> that special header (then strip it out) and auto-approve the message.
> Sounds hard, but in reality we're talking about 4 lines of inserted code
> here.

Guess I should read that python book I've been meaning to read.





From scann at jcorporate.com  Tue Mar 12 05:23:45 2002
From: scann at jcorporate.com (Sandra Cann)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:23:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search capability
Message-ID: <NDBBKHNOAIANFPMKELAECEEHDOAC.scann@jcorporate.com>

We have over 4500 users on our listserv. We are absolutely desparate for a
search capability for the archives. PLeeeeaaaasssseeeee!

--
Sandra Cann
http://www.jcorporate.com
Open and shared standards based Java components

"Our separation from each other is an optical illusion of consciousness."
(Albert Einstein)




From joye.roselle at rcpsc.edu  Tue Mar 12 15:44:11 2002
From: joye.roselle at rcpsc.edu (Roselle, Joye)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:44:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sending email to Multiple Lists
Message-ID: <E8B8F57BDA5DD511A16900902774B6C496683A@WWW>

Is it possible to send a message to more that ONE listserv in the TO line as
well as a number of individuals in the CC line?

When this was done (sent to 5 listservs) no errors were returned but the
message was also NOT recorded in the Archives.



From lm.wetmore at verizon.net  Tue Mar 12 19:03:52 2002
From: lm.wetmore at verizon.net (Larry & Mary Wetmore)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:03:52 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message Duplication when sending to  Multiple Lists
Message-ID: <20020312180352.FQD15727.mta008.verizon.net@mta008>

I am a novice mailman user.  Does mailman have a mechanism to prevent multiple copies of the same message being delivered when a message is sent to two or more lists, and the recipients are on both lists?

Can this issue be addressed using a hierachical set of lists?

Thanks, Larry




From d97jorn at dtek.chalmers.se  Tue Mar 12 20:55:36 2002
From: d97jorn at dtek.chalmers.se (=?iso-8859-1?B?SvZybiBS9m5ub3c=?=)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:55:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] For the Wishlist
Message-ID: <000801c1c9ff$e0a72b60$5410d7d9@agadez>

Hi!

I have an item for the MailMan Wishlist:

Under List Administration, I'd like an option to automatically handle all messages held for approval due to "filters" (e.g. "message too big"), so that all of them could be rejected (or discarded) without manual intervention.

Best Regards,
J?rn R?nnow




From ashon at uclink.berkeley.edu  Wed Mar 13 01:44:38 2002
From: ashon at uclink.berkeley.edu (Andrew Hon)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:44:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin unsubscribe
Message-ID: <009001c1ca28$41bd1d60$ad02a8c0@andrew>

Hi there,

Mailman is nice, but I'm searching for a way to unsubscribe a list member
without him knowing.  Currently it seems the member is notified, and there
is no option for not notifying.

Cheers,
Andrew





From trea at reatech.com  Wed Mar 13 17:27:14 2002
From: trea at reatech.com (Tim Rea)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:27:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I recover from this?
Message-ID: <ABEIKCELHEMGMMEFMNKDKECOCEAA.trea@reatech.com>

I recently had to completely reformat my primary harddrive and reinstall
Linux from scratch.  I had to do this because someone hacked into my box and
messed everything up.  The admins at my datacenter did the reinstall and now
my system is back up.

The good news is that I have a second disk in the machine that is a backup
of the primary disk so I have a backup of ALL my files.  Now I am
reinstalling everything from scratch including Mailman.  I was using Mailman
1.1.  Now I am installing Mailman 2.1.  I was managing several mailing lists
for my customers using Mailman 1.1.

My question:
How can I retrieve all the emails for the old mailing lists?  I have all the
files but have not been able to locate the "database" that contains all the
email addresses for each mailing list.  I would like to install and
configure Mailman 2.1 and recreate the mailing lists.  Then I want to
retrieve all the email addresses from the old files/"databases" and import
them into the new mailing lists.  Can this be done?  I hope so since my
customers have lists with thousands of email addresses and there is no way
for me to recreate the list of addresses unless I can retrieve them from the
old backup files.

Can you help me?

Thanks,
Tim Rea





From jgillon at wfubmc.edu  Wed Mar 13 15:25:00 2002
From: jgillon at wfubmc.edu (John Gillon)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:25:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <003901c1ca9a$dbdf66b0$d9ec0b98@2GR8311>

My mailing lists managed through Mailman are being regularly spammed to the tune of 20 plus messages per day, and although the mail does not get through the various filters and restrictions, scrolling and checking to delete or reject these messages has become a major time commitment.  I would recommend that you enhance the Administrative requests interface by simply creating a "check all" option and also enable automatic deletion of messages that would otherwise be held for approval.
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From jra at baylink.com  Wed Mar 13 19:51:02 2002
From: jra at baylink.com (Jay R. Ashworth)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:51:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Feedback needed: nodupes patch and reply-to munging per user
In-Reply-To: <20020311204127.GE23754@merlins.org>; from Marc MERLIN <marc_news@vasoftware.com> on Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 12:41:27PM -0800
References: <20020311204127.GE23754@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <20020313135102.08750@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us>

On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 12:41:27PM -0800, Marc MERLIN wrote:
> Ben Gertzfield  wrote a patch  which Barry recently included  in mailman-cvs
> which allows you to not receive the list  copy of a message in you were Cced
> in the headers (nodupes patch).
> The idea is  to reproduce the (imo sole useful)  feature of reply-to munging
> where people don't get two copies of replies to posts.

You know, perhaps it's me, but won't that mean that the headers on the
messages that *cc'd* you will be *different* than the ones that didn't?

That might be problematic in itself for some folks, mightn't it?

> After  porting his  patch to  mailman-cvs, I've  written another  patch that
> extends this functionality by making reply-to munging a per user option.

So, here, do you mean "the adding of a reply-to mung to the list", or
do you mean "stripping any possible reply-to added by the writer"?

I've read it twice now, and I still can't decide which I think you mean
-- except that the list context was the latter.  I'm on Rosenthal's
side concerning the former...

Cheers,
-- jra
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From Jpatterson21 at aol.com  Wed Mar 13 21:25:33 2002
From: Jpatterson21 at aol.com (Jpatterson21 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:25:33 EST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up a Mailman List
Message-ID: <149.aff9a9c.29c10fbd@aol.com>

I'm in the process of setting up a list using your software; thank you 
for making it available.

I'm transferring to a new Web Host and my current list, lyris, is maxed 
out at 200 users.

What is the max # of users, I can register with Mailman?

Thank you,

Jerry Patterson:  jpatterson21 at aol.com (list admin)


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From 9jda2 at qlink.queensu.ca  Wed Mar 13 23:24:19 2002
From: 9jda2 at qlink.queensu.ca (Jon Abela)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:24:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] auto approve
Message-ID: <004901c1cadd$d33036a0$1000a8c0@5assedmonkey>

Hi guys, I guess you could say I'm somewhat new to Mailman.
My problem is that I'm running 4 mailing lists, which are under an umbrella
list.
What I need, is for emails that are approved from the umbrella list to be
automatically approved by the children lists under it.
ie.  Any email forwarded from the umbrella list (umbrella at thisplace.com) is
automatically sent to the subscribers of the children lists.

Now I've tried putting the umbrella list in the field that auto approves
emails:
"Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list without implicit
approval requirement. (See "Restrict ... to list members" for whether or not
this is in addition to allowing posting by list members"
but it doesn't work..
ie. I put umbrella at thisplace.com in that field. And it won't approve emails
that come from the umbrella list.

As it is now... I have to approve emails sent to the umbrella list, and then
approve them again for each of the child lists.
If anyone can provide any help it would be greatly appreciated.
Oh yea, I'm using Mailman 2.0.8
THANKS!
~Jon




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From alan at cesma.usb.ve  Wed Mar 13 23:37:14 2002
From: alan at cesma.usb.ve (Alan Mizrahi)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:37:14 -0400 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation / Web Interface Error
In-Reply-To: <014f01c1cadc$3ff6f690$47626580@kermit>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.32.0203131835530.5286-100000@Fermina.cesma.usb.ve>

I think the problem is with your SSL libraries.
Are you using static or dynamic SSL libraries? Did you remove the dynamic
libraries after installing?
Maybe its just a matter of setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH.


			Alan Mizrahi
			Universidad Simon Bolivar
			CESMA
			alan at cesma.usb.ve

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Jeffrey M. Johnson wrote:

> I have run Mailman for a couple of years on a old Solaris on Intel box and
> have recently purchased a new Sun Netra X1 to run my mail programs.
>
> Currently I am running Solaris 2.8, Mailman 2.0.8, Python 2.1, openssl
> 0.9.6c
>
> During the 'make install' one of the last lines is
> /usr/bin/env: No such file or Directory
> However there is no amplification of this error else where.
>
>
> When I attempt to access Mailman via the web interface I get teh "Bug in
> Mailman..."
>
> The error log contains the following error (hand typed here)
> admin(9415): ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python: fatal: relocation
> error: file /usr/local/lib/python2.1/lib-dynload/_socket.so: symbol
> SSL_set_fd referenced symbol not found
>
> Any Ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jeff
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>




From mailman at linkpro.net  Wed Mar 13 23:53:03 2002
From: mailman at linkpro.net (Damon Linkous)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:53:03 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unintentional humor in subscribers list.
Message-ID: <050101c1cae1$dba28c80$7b552043@webchecker>

I'm getting abused by my list members over the wording of the headings in the Subscribers List. The
categories of subscribers are

Non-digested Members (as a opposed to those members who are easier to digest after being eaten)
Digested Members (could defecated members be far behind)
private members not shown (the list is really glad not to see these private "members", it's not an
adult list)

Here is an example of the mail I've been getting:
*******************************
As I look at the Members Roster, I see 24 undigested members, 3 digested members, and one private
member not shown.  I cannot tell you how glad I am for that last category, all we need is people
showing us their private members to change the whole caliber of this list.

(Can we perhaps edit the terminology,Damon?)
*******************************

I know this is funny but I don't see any way to edit that pages HTML like I can on several other
pages using the Administration section.

Damon Linkous
Hobie 18 Magnum
Memphis Tennessee
http://www.TheBeachcats.com
http://lists.thebeachcats.com/mailman/listinfo/beachcats





From carmoda at interfaceergonomics.com  Thu Mar 14 18:38:45 2002
From: carmoda at interfaceergonomics.com (carmoda)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:38:45 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no headers and footers
Message-ID: <006501c1cb7f$1901d480$6412060a@acc.office>

I have installed 'mailman' on my VPS and am having a one small, but
irritating problem!

posts to various lists do not seem to get the 'Headers' or 'Footers' added
to mail going through mailman.

I have attempted to edit the headers & footers via the web interface and the
"mm_cfg.py" file directly, all with no effect.

The text the users have sent is still in the message body.

Regards,

Anthony John Carmody
voice [61] 414417457
fax [617] 38708040
Anthony Carmody Consulting Pty Ltd




From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Thu Mar 14 01:37:41 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:37:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Feedback needed: nodupes patch and reply-to munging per user
In-Reply-To: <20020313135102.08750@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us>
References: <20020311204127.GE23754@merlins.org> <20020313135102.08750@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us>
Message-ID: <20020314003741.GF23754@merlins.org>

[mailman-devel stripped]

On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:51:02PM -0500, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 12:41:27PM -0800, Marc MERLIN wrote:
> > Ben Gertzfield  wrote a patch  which Barry recently included  in mailman-cvs
> > which allows you to not receive the list  copy of a message in you were Cced
> > in the headers (nodupes patch).
> > The idea is  to reproduce the (imo sole useful)  feature of reply-to munging
> > where people don't get two copies of replies to posts.
> 
> You know, perhaps it's me, but won't that mean that the headers on the
> messages that *cc'd* you will be *different* than the ones that didn't?

Yes. The message you were Cced on will be a direct mail and won't contain
the list headers.
Your choices are:
1) you don't have to enable nodupes and you can get both mails
2) you can filter the mail on 
   TOmailman-devel / ~C mailman-devel
     procmail             muttrc
   so that the Cc ends up in your list folder and not your personal folder.

> > After  porting his  patch to  mailman-cvs, I've  written another  patch that
> > extends this functionality by making reply-to munging a per user option.
> 
> So, here, do you mean "the adding of a reply-to mung to the list", or
> do you mean "stripping any possible reply-to added by the writer"?
 
Neither. My patch is aimed at replacing listwide reply-to munging by letting
each user add a reply-to to the copies of the list posts they receive.
(so by default list posts don't contain a reply-to, but each user can decice
to have a reply-to added before they receive their list copies)
 
> I've read it twice now, and I still can't decide which I think you mean
> -- except that the list context was the latter.  I'm on Rosenthal's
> side concerning the former...

Then with both agree on that ;-)
(the two patches are supposed to help keeping your lists free of list-wide
munging)

Also, my patch lets you set a policy decision server-wide or list-wide to
not allow users to set reply-to munging for their own list copies

Marc
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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Thu Mar 14 01:42:57 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:42:57 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search capability
In-Reply-To: <NDBBKHNOAIANFPMKELAECEEHDOAC.scann@jcorporate.com>
References: <NDBBKHNOAIANFPMKELAECEEHDOAC.scann@jcorporate.com>
Message-ID: <20020314004256.GG23754@merlins.org>

On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 11:23:45PM -0500, Sandra Cann wrote:
> We have over 4500 users on our listserv. We are absolutely desparate for a
> search capability for the archives. PLeeeeaaaasssseeeee!

Look in the archives, someone made a patch to get htdig to work with
mailman.

Marc
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From che at debian.org  Thu Mar 14 02:03:35 2002
From: che at debian.org (Ben Gertzfield)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:03:35 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman can't handle MIME:
 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable?
In-Reply-To: <OFBF423519.24F5C63E-ON85256B7B.00757A3F@mc.duke.edu> ("James
 Madill"'s message of "Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:40:02 -0500")
References: <OFBF423519.24F5C63E-ON85256B7B.00757A3F@mc.duke.edu>
Message-ID: <87zo1c9d08.fsf@nausicaa.interq.or.jp>

>>>>> "James" == James Madill <James.Madill at duke.edu> writes:

    James> Users of one of my mailing lists got a nasty surprise when
    James> a posted message was repeatedly sent to them.

    James> I traced the problem down to an instance of the standard
    James> End-Of-Message marker (a lone period on a line) in the
    James> middle of the posted message.

    James> The smtp daemon is sendmail 8.12.1.  Mailman is version
    James> 2.0.8 with DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' in Defaults.py.

    James> Am I missing some Mailman switch to tell it to recognize
    James> messages with the Content-transfer-encoding:
    James> quoted-printable tag?

Mailman 2.0's handling of MIME messages in general was very sub-par.

Mailman 2.1 has an entirely re-written infrastructure for MIME message
handling, and likely has fixed this bug (the old quoted-printable
module had some serious flaws and has been re-written).

If you could send us a copy of the naughty message, we could test
it with Mailman 2.1 from CVS and let you know if the bug has been
fixed, but I'll bet that it has been fixed now.

Ben

-- 
Brought to you by the letters H and A and the number 16.
"I wanna be Twist Barbie!"
Debian GNU/Linux maintainer of Gimp and Nethack -- http://www.debian.org/



From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Thu Mar 14 02:16:38 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:16:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin unsubscribe
In-Reply-To: <009001c1ca28$41bd1d60$ad02a8c0@andrew>
References: <009001c1ca28$41bd1d60$ad02a8c0@andrew>
Message-ID: <20020314011638.GH23754@merlins.org>

On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 04:44:38PM -0800, Andrew Hon wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> Mailman is nice, but I'm searching for a way to unsubscribe a list member
> without him knowing.  Currently it seems the member is notified, and there
> is no option for not notifying.

I think  if you have  an unsubscribe message in  the HTML interface  for the
list, they get it. If you don't, I think they do not get a message when they
are unsubscribed.

Marc
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                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
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From linux at ke6upi.com  Thu Mar 14 02:24:39 2002
From: linux at ke6upi.com (David)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:24:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] test
Message-ID: <87MI85NHXWEDQP84E0UTC8F0UTLG84W.3c8ffbd7@Home>

test





From paul at thcwd.com  Thu Mar 14 02:31:13 2002
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:31:13 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How many
In-Reply-To: <E16lGWW-0003eB-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020313192802.00b6e7e0@localhost>

Hi all,

      Can someone tell me how many members a list on version 2.0.7 can 
have?  I've been thru the gnu site and can't find information on that.  An 
old reference I saw says 1000, but that was for a previous version.  Thanks.

<>< Paul     To open ignore the directions and get a hammer and a very big 
knife. 




From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Thu Mar 14 02:34:44 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:34:44 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How many
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020313192802.00b6e7e0@localhost>
References: <E16lGWW-0003eB-00@mail.python.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20020313192802.00b6e7e0@localhost>
Message-ID: <20020314013443.GJ23754@merlins.org>

On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 07:31:13PM -0600, Paul H Byerly wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
>      Can someone tell me how many members a list on version 2.0.7 can 
> have?  I've been thru the gnu site and can't find information on that.  An 
> old reference I saw says 1000, but that was for a previous version.  Thanks.

Some people seem to go up to 100,000 but that's pushing a bit.

Marc
-- 
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                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Thu Mar 14 02:43:31 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:43:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking a user from subscribing
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020313145931.01c30438@imap.iecc.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020313145931.01c30438@imap.iecc.com>
Message-ID: <20020314014331.GK23754@merlins.org>

On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 03:01:03PM -0500, Margaret Levine Young wrote:
> We have set up a series of actions for a list manager to take if a 
> subscriber is breaking the list rules, starting with one-week 
> hand-moderation (so the list managers have to approve the subscriber's 
> posts). The final action is to throw the person off the list.
> 
> Is there a way to tell Mailman to ignore subscription requests from a 
> specific address? In ListProc, we could add the address to an IGNORE file.

This is possible in mailman 2.1 which is due out soon.
(the beta should be out very soon)

Marc
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From linux at ke6upi.com  Thu Mar 14 02:48:44 2002
From: linux at ke6upi.com (David)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:48:44 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RedHat7.2 Sendmail HELP!!
Message-ID: <1UNKWS2XB01TA5F0E9MJCA2W741TPJQ.3c90017c@Home>

Hello All, 
	I installed Mailman 2.0.8 on my RedHat7.2 and Sendmail. I made a test list add the output to /etc/aliases.

## test mailing list
## created: 13-Mar-2002 root
test:                    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
test-admin:              "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
test-request:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
test-owner:              test-admin

I then run newaliases. 
My log show /var/log/maillog
Mar 13 18:22:16 corp-13 sendmail[4888]: g2E2M8q04888: from=root, size=5, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=
<200203140222.g2E2M8q04888 at mail2.ke6upi.com>, relay=root at localhost
Mar 13 18:22:18 corp-13 sendmail[4888]: g2E2M8q04888: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test", ctladdr=test 
(8/0), delay=00:00:10, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=prog, pri=30005, dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown mailer error 1
Mar 13 18:22:18 corp-13 sendmail[4888]: g2E2M8q04888: forward /root/.forward.mail2: Group writable directory
Mar 13 18:22:18 corp-13 sendmail[4888]: g2E2M8q04888: forward /root/.forward: Group writable directory

I ran sendmail -v test and this is what I got.
[root at mail2 mailman]# sendmail -v test
test... aliased to "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
TEST
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... Connecting to prog...
root... forward: /root/.forward.mail2: Group writable directory
root... forward: /root/.forward: Group writable directory
/root/dead.letter... Saved message in /root/dead.letter

Any help!!

Thanks, David

 







From njs+mailman at scifi.squawk.com  Tue Mar 12 19:22:21 2002
From: njs+mailman at scifi.squawk.com (Nick Simicich)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:22:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listserver subscription results
In-Reply-To: <JHEKLBGMBHPFIBJOBIFDKEJBCAAA.mihail.tsagidis@bay4you.de>
References: <B8B2E84E.1BA7E%chuqui@plaidworks.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020312132027.0ecd15f8@127.0.0.1>

At 11:41 AM 2002-03-12 +0100, Mihail Tsagidis wrote:
>1. How can this webpage show up in a popup window. I mean in a seperate
>window.
>
>         (I suppose I have to do this with javascript).

Why do you want to break your system for anyone who trys, say, to access it 
from a cellphone (where I do a lot of my e-mail and web stuff, while I am 
traveling) or blind people who use lynx?

--
War is an ugly thing, but it is not the ugliest of things. The decayed and 
degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is 
worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to 
fight, nothing he cares about more than his own personal safety, is a 
miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made so by the 
exertions of better men than himself. -- John Stuart Mill
Nick Simicich - njs at scifi.squawk.com




From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Thu Mar 14 02:46:41 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:46:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up a Mailman List
In-Reply-To: <149.aff9a9c.29c10fbd@aol.com>
References: <149.aff9a9c.29c10fbd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20020314014640.GM23754@merlins.org>

On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 03:25:33PM -0500, Jpatterson21 at aol.com wrote:
> What is the max # of users, I can register with Mailman?

10,000 to 100,000 per list

Number of list is currently limited (by your filesystem) to 16,000

Marc
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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Thu Mar 14 02:45:38 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:45:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commands via email...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203140136520.792-100000@localhost.localdomain>
References: <E16l3xR-0000Kz-00@mail.python.org> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203140136520.792-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20020314014538.GL23754@merlins.org>

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 01:39:18AM +0530, Frederick Noronha wrote:
> Is it possible to send in approval commands via email (I used to do it
> with Majordomo and Yahoogroups, but they are both difficult in other
> ways) instead of having to log on via the Net?
 
Mailman 2.1 which will be out soon allows for that.
 
> Secondly, can the webpage generated by Mailman be made a little more
> ambitious to allow (i) uploading photographs (ii) offering us stats, as
> PHPnuke does?

It will do neither, and there are no plans I know off to add that
functionality.

Marc
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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Thu Mar 14 02:48:25 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:48:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Which file are the email addresses stored in???
In-Reply-To: <00f801c1caca$b25935c0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <ABEIKCELHEMGMMEFMNKDGEDBCEAA.trea@reatech.com> <00f801c1caca$b25935c0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <20020314014825.GN23754@merlins.org>

On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 03:07:26PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> They probably stored in a simple database, but you can dump them out by

~mailman/lists/listname/config.{db,pck}

dumpdb will list the content of those files

Marc
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From barry at zope.com  Thu Mar 14 04:43:15 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:43:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unintentional humor in subscribers list.
References: <050101c1cae1$dba28c80$7b552043@webchecker>
Message-ID: <15504.7251.301633.943166@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "DL" == Damon Linkous <mailman at linkpro.net> writes:

    DL> I'm getting abused by my list members over the wording of the
    DL> headings in the Subscribers List. The categories of
    DL> subscribers are

    DL> Non-digested Members (as a opposed to those members who are
    DL> easier to digest after being eaten) Digested Members (could
    DL> defecated members be far behind) private members not shown
    DL> (the list is really glad not to see these private "members",
    DL> it's not an adult list)

LOL!
-Barry



From carmoda at interfaceergonomics.com  Thu Mar 14 22:58:20 2002
From: carmoda at interfaceergonomics.com (carmoda)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:58:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer added to mail sent to regular list members [empty]
Message-ID: <010501c1cba3$5cdf7260$6412060a@acc.office>

Hi,

I am getting nothing in the Footer added to mail sent to regular list
members

"Regular-member (non-digest) Options"

i have in the "Footer added to mail sent to regular list members"


%(real_name)s mailing list
%(real_name)s@%(host_name)s
%(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s

 - yet mails come through with nothing added.

Regards,

Anthony Carmody






From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Mar 14 06:39:06 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 00:39:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <050e01c1c961$ffd8e620$0a00a8c0@peter>
References: <050e01c1c961$ffd8e620$0a00a8c0@peter>
Message-ID: <200203140537.AAA28886@salsa.haht.com>

While this is not a function of Mailman, with the addition of some scripts 
you can easily add this functionality. 

Mailman allows you to manipulate the lists using outside files or databases.  
You will have to maintain a list of emails to "not send". 


 --- Original Message: Monday 11 March 2002 08:05 pm ---
> Hi Mailman,
> We are considering getting a email list management program for when we send
> out our weekly email of new products. Currently, we have our email setup to
> record the email address of everyone's email that we reply to. We then
> email our newsletter out to all those people. (Around 1,000 names.) But
> some customers complain they don't want to go on the list, and we delete
> them. But of course, next time we answer one of their emails, they go back
> on the list. What I would like to ask you is, can Mailmail automatically
> put customers email addresses into itself everytime we answer an email,
> and, when a customer requests not to be in the list, can Mailman remember
> that customers details in such a way that they don't get sent the weekly
> email? Kind Regards
> Peter
> Jedko Games



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Mar 14 06:47:04 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 00:47:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commands via email...
In-Reply-To: <20020314014538.GL23754@merlins.org>
References: <E16l3xR-0000Kz-00@mail.python.org> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203140136520.792-100000@localhost.localdomain> <20020314014538.GL23754@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <200203140545.AAA29011@salsa.haht.com>

> > Secondly, can the webpage generated by Mailman be made a little more
> > ambitious to allow (i) uploading photographs (ii) offering us stats, as
> > PHPnuke does?
>
> It will do neither, and there are no plans I know off to add that
> functionality.
>
> Marc

This sounds like it would be a nice side project - something like webalyzer 
(Manalyzer?).  What kind or stats would you want to capture?  How would you 
want them displayed?

BTW, you can setup the web-pages with pictures, etc... whatever you like.

Jon



From listadministrator at greatcontroversy.org  Thu Mar 14 07:23:44 2002
From: listadministrator at greatcontroversy.org (Larry Kirkpatrick)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:23:44 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ignore option for individual subscribers
Message-ID: <B8B581F0.1571%listadministrator@greatcontroversy.org>

I can't find this in the documentation.  Is there a command in Mailman
wherein one could set their list subscription to ignore or instantly discard
any post with johndoe at irritating.com in the "from" field?

LK 




From mbrenner at naviant.com  Thu Mar 14 07:40:02 2002
From: mbrenner at naviant.com (Michael C. Brenner)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 01:40:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I recover email addresses?
In-Reply-To: <ABEIKCELHEMGMMEFMNKDMEDACEAA.trea@reatech.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020314013013.0258c388@localhost>

At 04:12 PM 3/13/2002, Tim Rea wrote:
>My question:
>How can I retrieve all the emails for the old mailing lists?  I have all the
>files but have not been able to locate the "database" that contains all the
>email addresses for each mailing list.  I would like to install and
>configure Mailman 2.1 and recreate the mailing lists.  Then I want to
>retrieve all the email addresses from the old files/"databases" and import
>them into the new mailing lists.  Can this be done?  I hope so since my
>customers have lists with thousands of email addresses and there is no way
>for me to recreate the list of addresses unless I can retrieve them from the
>old backup files.

On the new box, I would install and test 2.1. Once I have it right, "make 
clean".
Then I would tar ~mailman (or wherever you put your base) from the old box 
and untar it on the new box in the new mailman dir. Then I would go to the 
install dir for MM2.1 and follow the Upgrade instructions. pretty much it is:

make clean
./configure --your-options-here
make install
cd ~mailman
./bin/check_perms

The 2.1 install will preserve the lists and archives. There is info in the 
UPGRADE about additional steps that are needed depending on your base 
version. 2.1 was my first install so I only used the commands above.

MB




From cassagne at club-internet.fr  Thu Mar 14 10:10:59 2002
From: cassagne at club-internet.fr (Herve Cassagne)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:10:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing html code for "Private Archives Authentication"
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020314100205.00d0c9e0@mail.club-internet.fr>

Hi there,


I want to edit the HTML code for the "Private Archives Authentication" page 
(so as to translate it in French).

Only, from the admin page > Edit the HTML for the public list pages
makes it possible only to change these four pages:

General list information page
Subscribe results page
User specific options page
Changing user options results page

Where can I get the other pages ?

C-Ya
Herve - Paris, France... where the "Mailman" is le "Facteur" :-)




From fred at bytesforall.org  Thu Mar 14 08:37:01 2002
From: fred at bytesforall.org (Frederick Noronha)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:07:01 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commands via email...
In-Reply-To: <200203140545.AAA29011@salsa.haht.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203141304160.1010-100000@localhost.localdomain>

Statistics like (i) who visited the site (ii) on which days of the week
(iii) using which browser (iv) and which OS (v) maybe even which articles
were most read... (vi) also how many readers are online at the moment...

I was amazed to find that PHPnuke (or is it PostNuke) offers such
interesting statistics in a very useful chart-format.

FN

On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Jon Carnes wrote:

> > > Secondly, can the webpage generated by Mailman be made a little more
> > > ambitious to allow (i) uploading photographs (ii) offering us stats, as
> > > PHPnuke does?
> >
> > It will do neither, and there are no plans I know off to add that
> > functionality.
> >
> > Marc
> 
> This sounds like it would be a nice side project - something like webalyzer 
> (Manalyzer?).  What kind or stats would you want to capture?  How would you 
> want them displayed?
> BTW, you can setup the web-pages with pictures, etc... whatever you like.
> Jon





From waller at osb1.wff.nasa.gov  Thu Mar 14 13:29:22 2002
From: waller at osb1.wff.nasa.gov (Alan L. Waller)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:29:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman can't handle MIME:
  Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable?
In-Reply-To: <OFBF423519.24F5C63E-ON85256B7B.00757A3F@mc.duke.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020314072532.00ac81d8@osb.wff.nasa.gov>

That sounds very much like a problem I just corrected. The receiving end 
was behind a Cisco PIX firewall and a bug in the PIX causes this.   Search 
Google groups for     sendmail + multiple +pix     for the complete story.

Al

At 04:40 PM 3/13/2002 -0500, James Madill wrote:

>Users of one of my mailing lists got a nasty surprise when a posted 
>message was repeatedly sent to them.
>
>I traced the problem down to an instance of the standard End-Of-Message 
>marker (a lone period on a line) in the middle of the posted message.
>
>The posted message contained extended ASCII characters encoded using the 
>MIME Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable format.  There was what 
>appeared to be soft returns at column 72.  This message happened to have a 
>paragraph that ended on column 73, so the "soft return" resulted in the 
>period alone on the next line.
>
>Sendmail accepted the encoded document for Mailman, but on sending out, 
>Mailman encountered what it thought was an EOM marker and stopped the 
>processing of the message at that point.  Unfortunately, there was still 
>plenty of message left to send, so it was not removed from the queue, and 
>Mailman kept on sending the first portion.
>
>The smtp daemon is sendmail 8.12.1.  Mailman is version 2.0.8 with 
>DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' in Defaults.py.
>
>Am I missing some Mailman switch to tell it to recognize messages with the 
>Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable tag?
>
>-- James
>
>      o o o o o o o . . .   _______________________ _______=======_T___
>    o      _____            |James Madill         | |Duke Univ Med Ctr|
> >.][__n_n_| D[  ====|____  |james.madill at duke.edu| | (919) 286-6384  |
>  (________|__|_[____/____]_|_____________________|_|_________________|
>_/oo  O-O-O  `  oo     oo  'o^o^o           o^o^o` 'o^o           o^o`
>-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
><http://www.duke.edu/~madil001/>






From waller at osb1.wff.nasa.gov  Thu Mar 14 13:32:16 2002
From: waller at osb1.wff.nasa.gov (Alan L. Waller)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:32:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RedHat7.2 Sendmail HELP!!
In-Reply-To: <1UNKWS2XB01TA5F0E9MJCA2W741TPJQ.3c90017c@Home>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020314072939.00a845d8@osb.wff.nasa.gov>

Sendmail has some security features turned on in the RH 
install.  Check  DontBlameSendmail  directive in sendmail.cf

At 05:48 PM 3/13/2002 -0800, David wrote:
>Hello All,
>         I installed Mailman 2.0.8 on my RedHat7.2 and Sendmail. I made a 
> test list add the output to /etc/aliases.
>
>## test mailing list
>## created: 13-Mar-2002 root
>test:                    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
>test-admin:              "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
>test-request:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
>test-owner:              test-admin
>
>I then run newaliases.
>My log show /var/log/maillog
>Mar 13 18:22:16 corp-13 sendmail[4888]: g2E2M8q04888: from=root, size=5, 
>class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=
><200203140222.g2E2M8q04888 at mail2.ke6upi.com>, relay=root at localhost
>Mar 13 18:22:18 corp-13 sendmail[4888]: g2E2M8q04888: 
>to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test", ctladdr=test
>(8/0), delay=00:00:10, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=prog, pri=30005, dsn=5.3.0, 
>stat=unknown mailer error 1
>Mar 13 18:22:18 corp-13 sendmail[4888]: g2E2M8q04888: forward 
>/root/.forward.mail2: Group writable directory
>Mar 13 18:22:18 corp-13 sendmail[4888]: g2E2M8q04888: forward 
>/root/.forward: Group writable directory
>
>I ran sendmail -v test and this is what I got.
>[root at mail2 mailman]# sendmail -v test
>test... aliased to "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
>TEST
>"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... Connecting to prog...
>root... forward: /root/.forward.mail2: Group writable directory
>root... forward: /root/.forward: Group writable directory
>/root/dead.letter... Saved message in /root/dead.letter
>
>Any help!!
>
>Thanks, David
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py






From mihail.tsagidis at bay4you.de  Thu Mar 14 14:00:21 2002
From: mihail.tsagidis at bay4you.de (Mihail Tsagidis)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:00:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome E-Mail
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020312120133.00a8b880@paulsfunhouse.com>
Message-ID: <JHEKLBGMBHPFIBJOBIFDGELPCAAA.mihail.tsagidis@bay4you.de>

Hello,

Someone can edit the text for the welcome E-Mail. But how can I turn the
Welcome E-Mail off?

Thanks,
Mihail Tsagidis

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Weintraubengasse 2
D-90403 Nurnberg
Tel. 0911 / 81025-0
Fax. 0911 / 81025-11
Web: www.bay4you.de




From dirk.schulz at multibyte.de  Thu Mar 14 14:25:56 2002
From: dirk.schulz at multibyte.de (Dirk H. Schulz)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:25:56 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome E-Mail
In-Reply-To: <JHEKLBGMBHPFIBJOBIFDGELPCAAA.mihail.tsagidis@bay4you.de>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020312120133.00a8b880@paulsfunhouse.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020314142446.00a6c7e0@mail.munichhead.multibyte.de>

Hello Mihail,

At 14:00 14.03.2002 +0100, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>Someone can edit the text for the welcome E-Mail. But how can I turn the
>Welcome E-Mail off?

On the admin web page, it is the option "Send welcome message when people 
subscribe?".

Dirk




From donna at v1.wustl.edu  Thu Mar 14 14:58:49 2002
From: donna at v1.wustl.edu (Donna Hanlon)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:58:49 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: RedHat7.2 Sendmail HELP!! (David)
References: <E16lV8H-00012U-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3C90AC99.CC08350@v1.wustl.edu>

David <linux at ke6upi.com> wrote:
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] RedHat7.2 Sendmail HELP!!
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:48:44 -0800
> From: David <linux at ke6upi.com>
> To: MailMan List <mailman-users at python.org>
> 
> Hello All,
>         I installed Mailman 2.0.8 on my RedHat7.2 and Sendmail. I made a test list add the output to /etc/aliases.

[snip]

> root... forward: /root/.forward.mail2: Group writable directory
> root... forward: /root/.forward: Group writable directory
> /root/dead.letter... Saved message in /root/dead.letter

Doesn't this suggest that you installed Mailman as root, which isn't a
good idea?  You can try using chmod to remove write permission on /root
for group and other, but if you installed mailman as root, I'd expect
other problems to follow.  But I'm also a newbie.



From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Thu Mar 14 15:07:32 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 14 Mar 2002 15:07:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ignore option for individual subscribers
In-Reply-To: Larry Kirkpatrick's message of "Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:23:44 -0800"
References: <B8B581F0.1571%listadministrator@greatcontroversy.org>
Message-ID: <m3ofhrfdjv.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

Larry Kirkpatrick <listadministrator at greatcontroversy.org> writes:

> I can't find this in the documentation.  Is there a command in Mailman
> wherein one could set their list subscription to ignore or instantly discard
> any post with johndoe at irritating.com in the "from" field?

Privacy Options

Hold posts with header value matching a specified regexp


 Mit freundlichen Gr??en
 Detlef Neubauer

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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Thu Mar 14 15:13:00 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 14 Mar 2002 15:13:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome E-Mail
In-Reply-To: "Dirk H. Schulz"'s message of "Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:25:56 +0100"
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020312120133.00a8b880@paulsfunhouse.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20020314142446.00a6c7e0@mail.munichhead.multibyte.de>
Message-ID: <m3k7sffdar.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

"Dirk H. Schulz" <dirk.schulz at multibyte.de> writes:

> At 14:00 14.03.2002 +0100, you wrote:
> >Hello,
> >
> >Someone can edit the text for the welcome E-Mail. But how can I turn the
> >Welcome E-Mail off?
> 
> On the admin web page, it is the option "Send welcome message when
> people subscribe?".

Or

,----[ add_members -h ]
| Add members to a list from the command line.
| 
| Usage:
|     add_members [-n <file>] [-d <file>] [-c <y|n>] [-w <y|n>] [-h] listname
| 
| ...
| 
|     --welcome-msg=<y|n>
|     -w <y|n>
|         set whether or not to send the list members a welcome message,
|         overriding whatever the list's `send_welcome_msg' setting is.
| 
| ...
`----


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From mihail.tsagidis at bay4you.de  Thu Mar 14 15:45:08 2002
From: mihail.tsagidis at bay4you.de (Mihail Tsagidis)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:45:08 +0100
Subject: AW: [Mailman-Users] Welcome E-Mail
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020314142446.00a6c7e0@mail.munichhead.multibyte.de>
Message-ID: <JHEKLBGMBHPFIBJOBIFDGEMECAAA.mihail.tsagidis@bay4you.de>

Hello,

There is no option I can found via the web-interface to turn the welcome
message off or on.

Only I have found the option: "List-specific text prepended to
new-subscriber welcome message" within the menu "General Options".

best regards,
Mihail Tsagidis

--
Bay4you Marktplatz GmbH & Co. KG
Weintraubengasse 2
D-90403 Nurnberg
Tel. 0911 / 81025-0
Fax. 0911 / 81025-11
Web: www.bay4you.de

> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]Im Auftrag von Dirk H. Schulz
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. Marz 2002 14:26
> An: mailman-users at python.org
> Betreff: Re: [Mailman-Users] Welcome E-Mail
>
>
> Hello Mihail,
>
> At 14:00 14.03.2002 +0100, you wrote:
> >Hello,
> >
> >Someone can edit the text for the welcome E-Mail. But how can I turn the
> >Welcome E-Mail off?
>
> On the admin web page, it is the option "Send welcome message when people
> subscribe?".
>
> Dirk
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>




From dirk.schulz at multibyte.de  Thu Mar 14 16:05:43 2002
From: dirk.schulz at multibyte.de (Dirk H. Schulz)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:05:43 +0100
Subject: AW: [Mailman-Users] Welcome E-Mail
In-Reply-To: <JHEKLBGMBHPFIBJOBIFDGEMECAAA.mihail.tsagidis@bay4you.de>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020314142446.00a6c7e0@mail.munichhead.multibyte.de>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020314160427.00aa7750@mail.munichhead.multibyte.de>

Hello Mihail,

At 15:45 14.03.2002 +0100, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>There is no option I can found via the web-interface to turn the welcome
>message off or on.
>
>Only I have found the option: "List-specific text prepended to
>new-subscriber welcome message" within the menu "General Options".

It is 8 options further down on the same page.

Dirk


>best regards,
>Mihail Tsagidis
>
>--
>Bay4you Marktplatz GmbH & Co. KG
>Weintraubengasse 2
>D-90403 Nurnberg
>Tel. 0911 / 81025-0
>Fax. 0911 / 81025-11
>Web: www.bay4you.de
>
> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]Im Auftrag von Dirk H. Schulz
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. Marz 2002 14:26
> > An: mailman-users at python.org
> > Betreff: Re: [Mailman-Users] Welcome E-Mail
> >
> >
> > Hello Mihail,
> >
> > At 14:00 14.03.2002 +0100, you wrote:
> > >Hello,
> > >
> > >Someone can edit the text for the welcome E-Mail. But how can I turn the
> > >Welcome E-Mail off?
> >
> > On the admin web page, it is the option "Send welcome message when people
> > subscribe?".
> >
> > Dirk
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> >




From claudia_tejada at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 14 15:58:57 2002
From: claudia_tejada at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Claudia=20Tejada?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:58:57 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need to create a user each time?
Message-ID: <20020314145857.81340.qmail@web20509.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all.

My partner send this email to the list, we just
subscribed, but he received an email telling that his
message will need approval for suspicious headers
(???)...anyway, we are new on this and have a
problem..maybe a stupid one but we can have not found
the answer yet.... thanks in advance....
Claudia
---------------
Hello all

I'm sure this has been asked before...looked on the
archives, found some tips but the problem is still
here....

I installed, following all the steps I guess.... on
two different machines and in both I'm making the same
mistake.... after creating a list with bin/newlist
when a user send an email I received the answer:

	550 5.1.1 <prueba8 at pruebas.validomain.com>... User
unknown

I have configured in two systems. One a freebds 4.5
stable using sendmail and the other a Linux Mandrake
8.1 using postfix. All both equipments do the same...
I can see the administrative webpages, change
parameters and everything. 
I read on the archives that I need to be sure that
aliases is corrected written and updated with
"newaliases"

Do I have to create a user each time I create a list
(in this case prueba8 ) ?

Thanks in advance for all your help and I'm sorry if
this question sound stupid....maybe it is..... ;)

JB

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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Thu Mar 14 15:59:23 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 14 Mar 2002 15:59:23 +0100
Subject: AW: [Mailman-Users] Welcome E-Mail
In-Reply-To: "Mihail Tsagidis"'s message of "Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:45:08 +0100"
References: <JHEKLBGMBHPFIBJOBIFDGEMECAAA.mihail.tsagidis@bay4you.de>
Message-ID: <m37koffb5g.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

"Mihail Tsagidis" <mihail.tsagidis at bay4you.de> writes:

> There is no option I can found via the web-interface to turn the welcome
> message off or on.

Membership Menagement

-> Send Welcome Message to this batch  [ ] No [X] Yes


 Mit freundlichen Gr??en
 Detlef Neubauer

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From dirk.schulz at multibyte.de  Thu Mar 14 16:15:22 2002
From: dirk.schulz at multibyte.de (Dirk H. Schulz)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:15:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need to create a user each time?
In-Reply-To: <20020314145857.81340.qmail@web20509.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020314161154.00ab2f20@mail.munichhead.multibyte.de>

Hello Claudia,

At 08:58 14.03.2002 -0600, you wrote:

>Hello all.
>

- snip -

>         550 5.1.1 <prueba8 at pruebas.validomain.com>... User
>unknown
>
>I have configured in two systems. One a freebds 4.5
>stable using sendmail and the other a Linux Mandrake
>8.1 using postfix. All both equipments do the same...
>I can see the administrative webpages, change
>parameters and everything.
>I read on the archives that I need to be sure that
>aliases is corrected written and updated with
>"newaliases"
>
>Do I have to create a user each time I create a list
>(in this case prueba8 ) ?

No, you have to create entries in the aliases file every time you create a 
list. The newlist script tells you what do write into the aliases file. 
After editing the file you have to run newaliases or postalias (which is 
the postfix version).

Best is, you have the alias file somewhere in the mailman directory and 
configured in the postfix main.cf the path to the file (alias_maps=hash path)


Dirk

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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Thu Mar 14 16:05:31 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 14 Mar 2002 16:05:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome E-Mail
In-Reply-To: Detlef Neubauer's message of "14 Mar 2002 15:59:23 +0100"
References: <JHEKLBGMBHPFIBJOBIFDGEMECAAA.mihail.tsagidis@bay4you.de>
	<m37koffb5g.fsf@mailman.charite.de>
Message-ID: <m33cz3fav8.fsf_-_@mailman.charite.de>

Detlef Neubauer <detlef.neubauer at charite.de> writes:

> "Mihail Tsagidis" <mihail.tsagidis at bay4you.de> writes:
> 
> > There is no option I can found via the web-interface to turn the welcome
> > message off or on.
> 
> Membership Menagement
> 
> -> Send Welcome Message to this batch  [ ] No [X] Yes

Or

General Options

-> Send welcome message when people subscribe? [ ] No [X] Yes


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From jbiquez at icsmx.com  Thu Mar 14 16:25:54 2002
From: jbiquez at icsmx.com (Jorge Biquez)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:25:54 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need to create a user each time?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020314161154.00ab2f20@mail.munichhead.multiby
 te.de>
References: <20020314145857.81340.qmail@web20509.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020314092221.031e5080@icsmx.com>

Hello all.
Thanks Dirk for your comments. We will look around that.
By the way. Do you have a URL where we can read the technical documentation 
of Mailman? I mean specifically things like this ones...
Yesterday we read all docs we can find after the installation on the 
machines and the website on the archives ...but we feel that could be a 
complete documentation somwhere...

Thanks in advance.

JB

Do I have to create a user each time I create a list
>>(in this case prueba8 ) ?
>
>No, you have to create entries in the aliases file every time you create a 
>list. The newlist script tells you what do write into the aliases file. 
>After editing the file you have to run newaliases or postalias (which is 
>the postfix version).
>
>Best is, you have the alias file somewhere in the mailman directory and 
>configured in the postfix main.cf the path to the file (alias_maps=hash path)
>
>
>Dirk





From kcorbin at theiqgroup.com  Thu Mar 14 17:26:06 2002
From: kcorbin at theiqgroup.com (Kelly Corbin)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:26:06 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Htdig
Message-ID: <3C90CF1E.2070608@theiqgroup.com>

I'm setting up Mailman with Htdig integration, and have 1 final problem. 
  Mailman works fine, htdig works fine, but together the searches fail 
with a 'htdig Archives Access Failure  The requested document cannot be 
found. %s'

I get no errors in any logs anywhere, so what is the %s?  Also, when 
Mailman creates the htdig conf file for a list, how does it determine 
the search URL?  If the .db files are not accessible, I get a different 
error (a more obvious one) so I know that's not the problem.

Is there a better way to trace this error?  I've been banging my head 
against the wall for the past 3 days on this...

Thanks!

Kelly

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From jjohnson at umn.edu  Thu Mar 14 18:23:59 2002
From: jjohnson at umn.edu (Jeffrey M. Johnson)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:23:59 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation / Web Interface Error
References: <Pine.GSO.4.32.0203131835530.5286-100000@Fermina.cesma.usb.ve>
Message-ID: <008e01c1cb7d$07c276e0$47626580@kermit>

Thanks Alan,

I corrected the problem by going to a previous version of Python (1.5.2).

Next problem :)   No one ever said this was easy.
I am doing an upgrade, however replacing hardware as well as software.
Everything works fine, except on the /listinfo/ page.  None of the E-Mail
lists are listed.  The /admin/ page works fine and if enter a listname
/listinfo/test it works fine.   How can I correct this?  I have tried to run
update, and everything else i could think of.

Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Mizrahi" <alan at cesma.usb.ve>
To: "Jeffrey M. Johnson" <jjohnson at umn.edu>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Installation / Web Interface Error


>
> I think the problem is with your SSL libraries.
> Are you using static or dynamic SSL libraries? Did you remove the dynamic
> libraries after installing?
> Maybe its just a matter of setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH.
>
>
> Alan Mizrahi
> Universidad Simon Bolivar
> CESMA
> alan at cesma.usb.ve
>
> On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Jeffrey M. Johnson wrote:
>
> > I have run Mailman for a couple of years on a old Solaris on Intel box
and
> > have recently purchased a new Sun Netra X1 to run my mail programs.
> >
> > Currently I am running Solaris 2.8, Mailman 2.0.8, Python 2.1, openssl
> > 0.9.6c
> >
> > During the 'make install' one of the last lines is
> > /usr/bin/env: No such file or Directory
> > However there is no amplification of this error else where.
> >
> >
> > When I attempt to access Mailman via the web interface I get teh "Bug in
> > Mailman..."
> >
> > The error log contains the following error (hand typed here)
> > admin(9415): ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python: fatal:
relocation
> > error: file /usr/local/lib/python2.1/lib-dynload/_socket.so: symbol
> > SSL_set_fd referenced symbol not found
> >
> > Any Ideas?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> >
>
>
>




From dirk.schulz at multibyte.de  Thu Mar 14 18:55:53 2002
From: dirk.schulz at multibyte.de (Dirk H. Schulz)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:55:53 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation / Web Interface Error
In-Reply-To: <008e01c1cb7d$07c276e0$47626580@kermit>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.32.0203131835530.5286-100000@Fermina.cesma.usb.ve>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020314185420.00a9c988@mail.munichhead.multibyte.de>

Hi Jeff,

At 11:23 14.03.2002 -0600, you wrote:
>Thanks Alan,
>
>I corrected the problem by going to a previous version of Python (1.5.2).
>
>Next problem :)   No one ever said this was easy.
>I am doing an upgrade, however replacing hardware as well as software.
>Everything works fine, except on the /listinfo/ page.  None of the E-Mail
>lists are listed.  The /admin/ page works fine and if enter a listname
>/listinfo/test it works fine.   How can I correct this?  I have tried to run
>update, and everything else i could think of.

admin page, Privacy Options, first option on that page.

Dirk




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Mar 14 19:36:50 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:36:50 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Htdig
In-Reply-To: <3C90CF1E.2070608@theiqgroup.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020314171801.00ac0ea0@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 10:26 14/03/2002 -0600, Kelly Corbin wrote:
>I'm setting up Mailman with Htdig integration, and have 1 final 
>problem.  Mailman works fine, htdig works fine, but together the searches 
>fail with a 'htdig Archives Access Failure  The requested document cannot 
>be found. %s'

Assuming you are using the mailman-htdig integration patches (444879 and 
444884) off sourceforge, the error is being generated by the script 
$prefix/Mailman/Cgi/htdig.py when it tries to display a piece of archived mail.

It is saying that it has a problem with finding the html page from the 
archives that was identified by the URL returned by the search.

The URL should be cited further down the response page below what you have 
quoted above.

>I get no errors in any logs anywhere, so what is the %s?  Also, when 
>Mailman creates the htdig conf file for a list, how does it determine the 
>search URL?  If the .db files are not accessible, I get a different error 
>(a more obvious one) so I know that's not the problem.
>
>Is there a better way to trace this error?  I've been banging my head 
>against the wall for the past 3 days on this...

It would be useful to know the following:

A. what versions of python, and Mailman you are running

B. what were the name of the patch files you downloaded from sourceforge to 
do the mailman-htdig integration

First things to check are:

1. what was the URL returned by the search engine.

2. the last item in the URL path is the name of the html file that was 
being accessed.

3. the second to last item in the URL path is the particular archive that 
html file was in when the archives were last indexed by htdig.

4. third to last item in the URL patch should be the name of the list.

5. now look in the directory $prefix/archives/private/<listname>.

6. is the an archive directory from the URL in the directory.

7. if the archive directory is there is the html file in it.

If the answer to either 4 or 5 is no then that is why you are getting the 
problem and we have to identify:

either (a) why the file that was indexed by htdig is no longer where it was 
when it was indexed.

or (b) what went wrong with the indexing that lead to the wrong URL being 
stored in the index, i.e. is there something wrong in the list's htdig conf 
file.

Things to consider:

1. have you manually manipulated the list's archives since cron last ran 
the $prefix/cron/nightly_htdig script. The modification time on the file 
$prefix/archives/private/<listname>/htdig/rundig_last_run will tell you 
when the script was last run.

2. you can try running $prefix/cron/nightly_htdig -v <listname> (i.e. with 
the verbose flag) from the command line and see if fixes things.

3. as a more extreme measure you can run the $prefix/bin/blow_away_htdig -v 
<listname> command from the command line to remove the htdig stuff 
associated with the list. Then:

     a. post a message to the list, which should recreate the list's htdig 
conf file etc

     b. run $prefix/cron/nightly_htdig -v <listname> from the command line 
to recreate the htdig indexes for the list

     c. try the list search again

If it is still not working then get back to me and I'll tell you what other 
information I need off your installation to diagnose the problem.










































3.

Basic questions:

1. which version of Mailman.

2. which version of Python.

3. are you using the mailman-htdig integration patches (444879 and 444884) 
off sourceforge.

4. so what are names of the files you downloaded.

5. have you either run $prefix/cron/nightly_htdig from the command line or 
has it recently been run by cron.

Again if the answers to questions 3 to 10 are yes:

11. Where does the error message you cite appear? Is it on the response you 
got from filling in the search form on the lists' TOC page clicking the 
search button?

12. select a list that is being archived and has had posts to it since 
installing the the mailman-htdig integration patches.

12. look in the directory  $prefix/archives/private/<listname>/htdig/

13. if there a file call <listname>.conf in the directory.

14. are ther

>Thanks!
>
>Kelly




From anna at water.ca.gov  Thu Mar 14 19:56:50 2002
From: anna at water.ca.gov (Anna Fong)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:56:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help! No posts after migrating Mailman list
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020314105650.00bbd250@storm>

There are no posts after migrating Mailman list. 
Help!

Our organization has two versions of Mailman on two
different servers, both running production lists.  I
wanted to move my production lists off of my server
which is running an older version of Mailman to my
colleague's server.

Before I actually moved my production lists, I set up
a test list called migration_test.  I was able to post
to migration_test.  But once I moved migration_test, I
was no longer able to get posts to migration_test
though Mailman did send welcome and admin messages. 
Additional info below.

Thanks in advance,
Anna



Old configuration
-----------------
Mailman 1.1
Sendmail
Solaris 2.6
Python 1.5.1

Migration
---------
cd ~/lists/
tar cvf migration_test.tar migration_test
cd ~/archives/private/
tar cvf migration.archive.tar migration_test
tar cvf migration.mbox.tar migration_test.mbox
ftp 

New configuration
----------------
Mailman 2.0.8
Sendmail
Solaris
Python 

Migration
---------
stop web server
stop sendmail
cd ~/lists/
tar xvf migration_test.tar 
cd ~/archives/private/
tar xvf migration.archive.tar 
tar xvf migration.mbox.tar 
cd ~/archives/public
ln -s ~/archives/private/migration_test .
ln -s ~/archives/private/migration_test.mbox .
cd ~/bin/
move_list ~/lists/migration_test
arch ~/lists/migration_test
~/archives/private/migration_test.mbox/migration_test.mbox
vi /etc/aliases
newaliases
update mail aliases with name services
start sendmail
start web server
update host info with web interface


--------------------------------------------------------

Anna Q. Fong, Webmaster	
California Data Exchange Center	




From paul at paulsfunhouse.com  Thu Mar 14 21:14:56 2002
From: paul at paulsfunhouse.com (Paul Croft)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:14:56 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer added to mail sent to regular list
  members [empty]
In-Reply-To: <010501c1cba3$5cdf7260$6412060a@acc.office>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020314141401.024ca020@paulsfunhouse.com>

I am having the same problem...although I have a custom message in my 
footer...but it still isn't being sent.

Paul

At 03:58 PM 14/03/02, carmoda wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I am getting nothing in the Footer added to mail sent to regular list
>members
>
>"Regular-member (non-digest) Options"
>
>i have in the "Footer added to mail sent to regular list members"
>
>
>%(real_name)s mailing list
>%(real_name)s@%(host_name)s
>%(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s
>
>  - yet mails come through with nothing added.
>
>Regards,
>
>Anthony Carmody




From cdelp at ascypaa.org  Thu Mar 14 21:26:26 2002
From: cdelp at ascypaa.org (Chris Delp)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:26:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] umbrella lists
Message-ID: <E16lbnu-0001GP-00@calypso.site5.com>

im trying to set up an umbrella list for a group of lists i have, but 
but the posts from the umbrella list keep getting held for approval by 
the under lists. any idea why this would happen?

-- 
Christopher L Delp
Website Administraitor
ASCYPAA Advisory Council
cDelp at ascypaa.org
webmaster at ascypaa.org



From carmoda at interfaceergonomics.com  Thu Mar 14 18:30:25 2002
From: carmoda at interfaceergonomics.com (carmoda)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:30:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No outgoing Headers & Footers
Message-ID: <002d01c1cb7d$ef347eb0$6412060a@acc.office>

 I have installed 'mailman' on my VPS and am having a one small, but
irritating problem!

posts to various lists do not seem to get the 'Headers' or 'Footers' added
to mail going through mailman.

I have attempted to edit the headers & footers via the web interface and the
"mm_cfg.py" file directly, all with no effect.

The text the users have sent is still in the message body.

Regards,

Anthony John Carmody
voice [61] 414417457
fax [617] 38708040
Anthony Carmody Consulting Pty Ltd






From LEHUTD at dshs.wa.gov  Thu Mar 14 00:43:29 2002
From: LEHUTD at dshs.wa.gov (Lehuta, Dan)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:43:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL people in mail list
Message-ID: <B0562E2B5957D411A42800D0B782284008A868A7@dshsmsgf1-a.dshs.wa.gov>

My mail list contains 3 members with AOL addresses.  Recently they are
coming back with "excessive bouncing" and their e-mail deliveries get
disabled.  Can you explain or help?

Dan Lehuta
DSHS-MAA-DIS
Applications and Database Development Mgr.
360-725-1806
360-586-0615 (FAX)
lehutd at dshs.wa.gov





From jbiquez at icsmx.com  Thu Mar 14 01:05:02 2002
From: jbiquez at icsmx.com (Jorge Biquez)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:05:02 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie with error...
In-Reply-To: <E16lIe5-0001PK-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020313175846.01f34770@icsmx.com>

Hello all.

I'm sure this has been asked before...looked on the archives, found some 
tips but the problem is still here....

I installed, following all the steps I guess.... on two different machines 
and in both I'm making the same mistake.... after creating a list with 
bin/newlist when a user send an email I received the answer:

	550 5.1.1 <prueba8 at pruebas.validomain.com>... User unknown

I have configured in two systems. One a freebds 4.5 stable using sendmail 
and the other a Linux Mandrake 8.1 using postfix. All both equipments do 
the same... I can see the administrative webpages, change parameters and 
everything.
I read on the archives that I need to be sure that aliases is corrected 
written and updated with "newaliases"

Do I have to create a user each time I create a list (in this case prueba8 ) ?

Thanks in advance for all your help and I'm sorry if this question sound 
stupid....maybe it is..... ;)

JB




From jbiquez at icsmx.com  Thu Mar 14 02:48:39 2002
From: jbiquez at icsmx.com (Jorge Biquez)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:48:39 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New with Mailman. User unknown error
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020313194803.01fd8aa0@icsmx.com>

Hello all.

I'm sure this has been asked before...looked on the archives, found some 
tips but the problem is still here....

I installed, following all the steps I guess.... on two different machines 
and in both I'm making the same mistake.... after creating a list with 
bin/newlist when a user send an email I received the answer:

	550 5.1.1 <prueba8 at pruebas.validomain.com>... User unknown

I have configured in two systems. One a freebds 4.5 stable using sendmail 
and the other a Linux Mandrake 8.1 using postfix. All both equipments do 
the same... I can see the administrative webpages, change parameters and 
everything.
I read on the archives that I need to be sure that aliases is corrected 
written and updated with "newaliases"

Do I have to create a user each time I create a list (in this case prueba8 ) ?

Thanks in advance for all your help and I'm sorry if this question sound 
stupid....maybe it is..... ;)

JB




From delilah at seyyav.pair.com  Thu Mar 14 03:33:44 2002
From: delilah at seyyav.pair.com (sean pambianco)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:33:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] testing lists using IP addresses
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0203132131250.64257-100000@seyyav.pair.com>

Hi,

Is it possible to send test posts to a mailing list using the IP address
of the domain rather than the domain.

Sean




From brian at pro-phile.com  Thu Mar 14 05:04:46 2002
From: brian at pro-phile.com (Brian Teal)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:04:46 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old problem, AGAIN!
Message-ID: <004a01c1cb0d$6417f6b0$0200a8c0@ddr>

OK, this happened to me a while ago and I've included some of your previous answers at the bottom of this post, but here is the problem.
I run a hosting company that is subcontracting the servers we use from another larger company (resellers, yes). They are not quite "dedicated" but we do have our own processing, resources, etc. on the servers so when we restart our "server" it isn't necessarily restarting the whole physical server (UNIX running Red Hat). Anyway, one of the servers had a "physical fault" today and had to be restarted by the technicians. After it was restarted, mailman was no longer sending out messages. I tailed the messages into mailman, into the "wrapper"? But nothing comes out to my 350 recipients. I checked the crontab and looked for qrunner somewhere, but this is what it looks like:
___________________________________
SHELL=/bin/bash
PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
MAILTO=root
HOME=/

# run-parts
* * * * * root run-parts /etc/cron.minute
*/10 * * * * root run-parts /etc/cron.tenth
01 * * * * root run-parts /etc/cron.hourly
02 4 * * * root run-parts /etc/cron.daily
22 4 * * 0 root run-parts /etc/cron.weekly
42 4 1 * * root run-parts /etc/cron.monthly
___________________________________

It doesn't contain qrunner anywhere in it, should it?
Also, when tailing the message, it goes to /home/mailman/mail/mailman_wrapper post cbr900 and it appears as sent. However, nothing comes out after that.
So, with all of that, here are the other posts from you all last time I had this problem. Let me know what you think. I HAVE done the killall, checked perms and db and all are fine. I reset the cron and the system time looks correct.

*****<<<SNIP>>>*****
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 08:01:35AM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
>
> >>>>> "DW" == Dan Wilder <wilder at eskimo.com> writes:
>
>     DW> If you can get to the mail logs on the server (someplace in
>     DW> /var/log/ maybe, often called "mail." something, and do a
>     DW> "tail -f logfilename" while you send some mail to the list,
>     DW> you can sometimes gain some insights.
>
> Yep, also check the Mailman logs in $prefix/logs and check the Mailman
> queue $prefix/qfiles.  What version of Mailman?  What version of
> Python?  Did any of these change?  Did they upgrade any system
> software?  Did they muck with cron?  Maybe your crontab entries got
> wasted.
>
> >>>>> "PTS" == Pro-phile Technology Solutions <mailman at pro-phile.com>
writes:
>
>     PTS> I recently upgraded my server space (about 2:30 today) and
>     PTS> the list stopped working at about 2:30 today. Hmmmm. They
>     PTS> (the techs) said that the only thing they did was allocate
>     PTS> more space on the servers I was on for me to use and they
>     PTS> touched nothing else.
>
> As a former (and sometimes current reluctant) sysadmin, I just don't
> believe this. :)  It's too suspicious.

As a current sysadmin, amen!

The original querant had emailed me personally and I replied
without thinking to copy the list.  I'd suggested he check
cron, both the crontab (or /etc/cron*/whatever) entry for
qrunner, to see whether it had been deleted, and the cron daemon.
Sometimes after a severe clock-shaking it's useful to
"killall -HUP crond" to get it moving again.

Of course the prudent sysadmin would reboot at that point,
as crond isn't the only daemon that'll sulk following
a period of temporal chaos.  Postfix is my favorite; short of
reboot, I'll always do a "postfix reload" following a significant
clock jump on a server I can't reboot at that time.

--
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From wired_webmaster at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 14 07:33:30 2002
From: wired_webmaster at yahoo.com (Anna Fong)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:33:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help! no posts after migration of Mailman list
Message-ID: <20020314063330.31995.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com>

There are no posts after migrating Mailman list. 
Help!

Our organization has two versions of Mailman on two
different servers, both running production lists.  I
wanted to move my production lists off of my server
which is running an older version of Mailman to my
colleague's server.

Before I actually moved my production lists, I set up
a test list called migration_test.  I was able to post
to migration_test.  But once I moved migration_test, I
was no longer able to get posts to migration_test
though Mailman did send welcome and admin messages. 
Additional info below.

Thanks in advance,
Anna



Old configuration
-----------------
Mailman 1.1
Sendmail
Solaris 2.6
Python 1.5.1

Migration
---------
cd ~/lists/
tar cvf migration_test.tar migration_test
cd ~/archives/private/
tar cvf migration.archive.tar migration_test
tar cvf migration.mbox.tar migration_test.mbox
ftp 

New configuration
----------------
Mailman 2.0.8
Sendmail
Solaris
Python 

Migration
---------
stop web server
stop sendmail
cd ~/lists/
tar xvf migration_test.tar 
cd ~/archives/private/
tar xvf migration.archive.tar 
tar xvf migration.mbox.tar 
cd ~/archives/public
ln -s ~/archives/private/migration_test .
ln -s ~/archives/private/migration_test.mbox .
cd ~/bin/
move_list ~/lists/migration_test
arch ~/lists/migration_test
~/archives/private/migration_test.mbox/migration_test.mbox
vi /etc/aliases
newaliases
update mail aliases with name services
start sendmail
start web server
update host info with web interface



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From david at velocitycap.com  Thu Mar 14 07:50:13 2002
From: david at velocitycap.com (David V. Alhadeff)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:50:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <NFBBKGGNCLFDEFDDECFJAEMCCCAA.david@velocitycap.com>

Hi ?

I was wondering if your software has a method for creating mailing lists
based on subscribers paying to subscribe to the newsletter?

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From fs at biozentrum.uni-wuerzburg.de  Thu Mar 14 08:27:50 2002
From: fs at biozentrum.uni-wuerzburg.de (Fachschaft Biologie, Wuerzburg)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:27:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] forbidden_posters option
Message-ID: <3C905F06.28150.96EF5E7@localhost>

To whom it concerns,

we are users of your great software "Mailman"!
But we also have big problems with spam! In the "privacy options" I cannot found 
the "forbidden_posters option".
Could you please tell me, where this is to be found?

Thank you,

Christian


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From dkelly at ono.com  Thu Mar 14 09:52:53 2002
From: dkelly at ono.com (David Kelly)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:52:53 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ensim webppliance and mailman
Message-ID: <002401c1cb35$a33354c0$f6b02a3e@dfi>

Hi...
has anyone here got experience of setting up Mailman in an ensim virtual
hosting environment??

I've searched all over and only found info on setting up under plesk.

Any help on this would be greatly appreciated

regards
David




From dcl at klatha.com  Thu Mar 14 13:46:05 2002
From: dcl at klatha.com (David Chaplin-Loebell)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:46:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <200203140537.AAA28886@salsa.haht.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0203140742490.30167-100000@zais.pair.com>

Can you elaborate?  Is there documentation of this feature? I'd love to
build tighter integration between my customer database (in MySQL) and my
MailMan lists.

On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Jon Carnes wrote:

> Mailman allows you to manipulate the lists using outside files or databases.
> You will have to maintain a list of emails to "not send".




From dmalso at helium.doe.state.wy.us  Thu Mar 14 18:14:25 2002
From: dmalso at helium.doe.state.wy.us (Debbie Malson)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:14:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Administrator
Message-ID: <000801c1cb7b$b1b946d0$6401e10a@doe.state.wy.us>

I need to change a list's administrator, at the root level of a mailman server.  And change the password.  Administrator left and need to assign a new one.

THank
Debbie M.
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From samesun at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 14 19:32:41 2002
From: samesun at yahoo.com (Amit)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:32:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to increase max # of email addresses/page with mailman
Message-ID: <20020314183241.69025.qmail@web9505.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi All,

Q. How to increase max # of email addresses/page with
mailman.

Thanks in Advance.
Amit

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From jra at baylink.com  Thu Mar 14 21:32:58 2002
From: jra at baylink.com (Jay R. Ashworth)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:32:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Feedback needed: nodupes patch and reply-to munging per user
In-Reply-To: <20020314003741.GF23754@merlins.org>; from Marc MERLIN <marc_news@vasoftware.com> on Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 04:37:41PM -0800
References: <20020311204127.GE23754@merlins.org> <20020313135102.08750@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us> <20020314003741.GF23754@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <20020314153258.46487@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us>

On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 04:37:41PM -0800, Marc MERLIN wrote:
> Also, my patch lets you set a policy decision server-wide or list-wide to
> not allow users to set reply-to munging for their own list copies

Good.  *This* is what I want to see: configurable stripping.

:-)

In general, Barry, this is the way that I like to see parameterization
done in this sort of environment: per-user switches, with a list-wide
override (in *either* direction)... in *addition* to a configurable
new-user default.

Lack of flexibility on this point is the *biggest* achilles heel I see
in application design.

Cheers,
-- jra
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From pic1969 at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 14 21:40:17 2002
From: pic1969 at hotmail.com (Robert Wilson)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:40:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <F19ako1EznPPXSopxgl000130f1@hotmail.com>

I have the same problem with spam. This change would be nice, but in the 
mean time, I set the default setting to reject by changing the following 
lines in admindb.py. It made it much less painful.

Robert


    buttons.AddRow([Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.DEFER, 1)),
                    Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.APPROVE, 0)),
                    Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.REJECT, 0)),
                    Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.DISCARD, 0)),
                    ])
to

    buttons.AddRow([Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.DEFER, 0)),
                    Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.APPROVE, 0)),
                    Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.REJECT, 1)),
                    Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.DISCARD, 0)),
                    ])



>From: jgillon at wfubmc.edu (John Gillon)
>To: <mailman-users at python.org>
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
>Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:25:00 -0500
>
>My mailing lists managed through Mailman are being regularly spammed to the 
>tune of 20 plus messages per day, and although the mail does not get 
>through the various filters and restrictions, scrolling and checking to 
>delete or reject these messages has become a major time commitment.  I 
>would recommend that you enhance the Administrative requests interface by 
>simply creating a "check all" option and also enable automatic deletion of 
>messages that would otherwise be held for approval.




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From esper at sherohman.org  Thu Mar 14 21:55:35 2002
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:55:35 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Administrator
In-Reply-To: <000801c1cb7b$b1b946d0$6401e10a@doe.state.wy.us>; from dmalso@helium.doe.state.wy.us on Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 10:14:25AM -0700
References: <000801c1cb7b$b1b946d0$6401e10a@doe.state.wy.us>
Message-ID: <20020314145535.L26335@sherohman.org>

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 10:14:25AM -0700, Debbie Malson wrote:
> I need to change a list's administrator, at the root level of a mailman server.  And change the password.  Administrator left and need to assign a new one.

If you mean you need to change the site password, use `mmsitepass
newpass`.  If you mean you need to change a list password, you can
log in to the list's admin interface using the site password and
change the list password there.

-- 
When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists
have already won. - reverius

Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss



From jonc at haht.com  Thu Mar 14 22:05:18 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:05:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Administrator
References: <000801c1cb7b$b1b946d0$6401e10a@doe.state.wy.us>
Message-ID: <003901c1cb9b$f249d960$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Set a new site password
  ~mailman/bin/mmsitepass

Now go to each list and reset the administration password for that list
(browse to the admin page for each list and change at the bottom of the
page). Note: do not make the list administration password the same as the
site password...  The site password has power over all lists.

Inform any list admins of their new passwords for administering the list.

Good Luck.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Debbie Malson
  To: mailman-users at python.org
  Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 12:14 PM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Administrator


  I need to change a list's administrator, at the root level of a mailman
server.  And change the password.  Administrator left and need to assign a
new one.

  THank
  Debbie M.
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From jonc at haht.com  Thu Mar 14 22:06:16 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:06:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to increase max # of email addresses/page with mailman
References: <20020314183241.69025.qmail@web9505.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004101c1cb9c$14ad1a30$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Edit ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (see Defaults.py in the same directory for
more information).

----- Original Message -----
From: "Amit" <samesun at yahoo.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 1:32 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to increase max # of email addresses/page with
mailman


>
> Hi All,
>
> Q. How to increase max # of email addresses/page with
> mailman.
>
> Thanks in Advance.
> Amit
>
> __________________________________________________
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From jonc at haht.com  Thu Mar 14 22:09:16 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:09:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Feedback needed: nodupes patch and reply-to munging per user
References: <20020311204127.GE23754@merlins.org> <20020313135102.08750@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us> <20020314003741.GF23754@merlins.org> <20020314153258.46487@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us>
Message-ID: <004901c1cb9c$8036db60$0b04010a@JCARNES>

> In general, Barry, this is the way that I like to see parameterization
> done in this sort of environment: per-user switches, with a list-wide
> override (in *either* direction)... in *addition* to a configurable
> new-user default.
>
> Lack of flexibility on this point is the *biggest* achilles heel I see
> in application design.

So naturally you go with Open Source applications whenever possible!
Allowing you to modify and configure every aspect of the application to meet
your specific needs.  And the fact the Mailman is programmed in Python
really helps too!

Jon Carnes




From jjohnson at umn.edu  Thu Mar 14 22:12:19 2002
From: jjohnson at umn.edu (Jeffrey M. Johnson)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:12:19 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation / Web Interface Error
References: <Pine.GSO.4.32.0203131835530.5286-100000@Fermina.cesma.usb.ve> <5.1.0.14.0.20020314185420.00a9c988@mail.munichhead.multibyte.de>
Message-ID: <018b01c1cb9c$ed2f20b0$47626580@kermit>

Unfortunatly if it were that easy I would have already solved the problem.

Any other thoughts?

Jeff

> >Next problem :)   No one ever said this was easy.
> >I am doing an upgrade, however replacing hardware as well as software.
> >Everything works fine, except on the /listinfo/ page.  None of the E-Mail
> >lists are listed.  The /admin/ page works fine and if enter a listname
> >/listinfo/test it works fine.   How can I correct this?  I have tried to
run
> >update, and everything else i could think of.
>
> admin page, Privacy Options, first option on that page.
>
> Dirk
>
>
>




From jonc at haht.com  Thu Mar 14 22:21:52 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:21:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Integrating Mailman lists with SQL database via command line/scripts
References: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0203140742490.30167-100000@zais.pair.com>
Message-ID: <005c01c1cb9e$42d2d830$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Then you are really going to like the next version (mm v2.1).  You can set
mm v2.1 to use your own database instead of the default one that Mailman
currently uses.

Currently, I pump user info out of Mailman by using the command line
scripts:
  config_list (list config items)
  dumpdb (complete database dump, all specs and members and their
information)
  list_lists (list of all the mailing lists running on the site)
  list_members (list of the email addresses in a mailing list)
  remove_members (delete an email from a mailing list)

And I pump info back into Mailman by using the command line scripts:
  add_members (add an email address to the list)
  clone_member (add an email address to the list with specific user
settings)
  config_list (upload configuration changes to the list)
  sync_members (one of my favorites - syncs a mailing list with a text file
of email addresses)

I use scripts to dump and mingle data from my SQL databases with the
Mailingman lists.  Works fine, and now that I've started playing with Python
and accessing the SQL databases directly from within Python, things are
really getting fun!

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Chaplin-Loebell" <dcl at klatha.com>
To: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)


> Can you elaborate?  Is there documentation of this feature? I'd love to
> build tighter integration between my customer database (in MySQL) and my
> MailMan lists.
>
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Jon Carnes wrote:
>
> > Mailman allows you to manipulate the lists using outside files or
databases.
> > You will have to maintain a list of emails to "not send".
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From jonc at haht.com  Thu Mar 14 22:28:50 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:28:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
References: <NFBBKGGNCLFDEFDDECFJAEMCCCAA.david@velocitycap.com>
Message-ID: <006901c1cb9f$3bb0ddd0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

You could certainly automate much of this.  I wrote a vacation app that does
basically what you are asking.  It lets you input a starting date and an
ending date and the users email address.  From there the app turns off all
their mailing list mail on the starting date, and then back on at the ending
date.  It would be a POC to reverse that (turn on... then off), and to
integrate it with a database that has financial info indicating length of
service (termination date), based on the amount they have paid.

You could also automate alerts for near end of term, to warn folks that they
only have one more month, one more week till they lose the service.

The key here is that Mailman is Open Source.  The code is yours to do with
as you will.

Jon Carnes
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: David V. Alhadeff
  To: mailman-users at python.org
  Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 1:50 AM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question


  Hi -



  I was wondering if your software has a method for creating mailing lists
based on subscribers paying to subscribe to the newsletter?



  Thanks



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From jonc at haht.com  Thu Mar 14 23:25:44 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:25:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] testing lists using IP addresses
References: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0203132131250.64257-100000@seyyav.pair.com>
Message-ID: <010301c1cba7$2e83efa0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Most MTA's are setup to use the Domain Name.  I think the ip address would
screw them up considerably.  You could configure your local MTA to handle
the ip address, and set that as one of the domains for which you accept
mail, then it would probably work locally, but not remotely.

You would also have to setup mailman to accept mail in that format ie:
seanp at 127.0.0.1

Good Luck
----- Original Message -----
From: "sean pambianco" <delilah at seyyav.pair.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 9:33 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] testing lists using IP addresses


> Hi,
>
> Is it possible to send test posts to a mailing list using the IP address
> of the domain rather than the domain.
>
> Sean
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From jonc at haht.com  Thu Mar 14 23:27:53 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:27:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New with Mailman. User known error
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020313194803.01fd8aa0@icsmx.com>
Message-ID: <010901c1cba7$7b629600$0b04010a@JCARNES>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jorge Biquez" <jbiquez at icsmx.com>
> I read on the archives that I need to be sure that aliases is corrected
> written and updated with "newaliases"
>
> Do I have to create a user each time I create a list (in this case
prueba8 ) ?

The answer is "yes", unless you use the -o option when setting up the list
with "newlist".




From jonc at haht.com  Thu Mar 14 23:37:22 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:37:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL people in mail list
References: <B0562E2B5957D411A42800D0B782284008A868A7@dshsmsgf1-a.dshs.wa.gov>
Message-ID: <011301c1cba8$cef0b3f0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Sheer speculation and hearsay, but AOL may be doing their best to eliminate
the spam that clogs their networks.  Thus, they could be limiting the number
of AOL users that you can have in the envelope of the message.  Three would
be a bit low, but... To test this bit of hearsay, you can toggle a few bits
on your server.

Edit ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cft.py  and set:
# Ceiling on the number of recipients that can be specified in a single SMTP
# transaction.  Set to 0 to submit the entire recipient list in one
# transaction.  Only used with the SMTPDirect DELIVERY_MODULE.
#SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1

Then send a test and see what precipitates!

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lehuta, Dan" <LEHUTD at dshs.wa.gov>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 6:43 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL people in mail list


> My mail list contains 3 members with AOL addresses.  Recently they are
> coming back with "excessive bouncing" and their e-mail deliveries get
> disabled.  Can you explain or help?
>
> Dan Lehuta
> DSHS-MAA-DIS
> Applications and Database Development Mgr.
> 360-725-1806
> 360-586-0615 (FAX)
> lehutd at dshs.wa.gov
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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From gzlatanov at moon.alliant.edu  Thu Mar 14 23:39:56 2002
From: gzlatanov at moon.alliant.edu (George Zlatanov)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:39:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving question
Message-ID: <004801c1cba9$2a8008b0$000310ac@alliant.edu>

Hello everyone,

I would like to move my mailman lists, from
one server to another. What do I need to do?

I'll modify the aliases into the new server,
I'll move the MX record, but how about the archive?
Is there anything specific that I need to do?

Thanks in advance for any answer,
George Zlatanov
San Diego, CA





From jonc at haht.com  Thu Mar 14 23:50:51 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:50:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] umbrella lists
References: <E16lbnu-0001GP-00@calypso.site5.com>
Message-ID: <012501c1cbaa$b0e326c0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Common problem.  The sub lists don't allow any message in which they are not
listed in the To: or CC:.  To set them to rights, web-admin over to the sub
lists and choosing Privacy Options, put the email address for your Umbrella
list into:
  Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to or cc destination names
for this list. (Details)

Good Luck - Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Delp" <cdelp at ascypaa.org>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:26 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] umbrella lists


> im trying to set up an umbrella list for a group of lists i have, but
> but the posts from the umbrella list keep getting held for approval by
> the under lists. any idea why this would happen?
>
> --
> Christopher L Delp
> Website Administraitor
> ASCYPAA Advisory Council
> cDelp at ascypaa.org
> webmaster at ascypaa.org
>
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Mar 14 23:58:00 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:58:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commands via email...
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203141304160.1010-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <015301c1cbab$b1097e00$0b04010a@JCARNES>

So all you really want *is* webalyzer.  You're just interested in Web stats.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick Noronha" <fred at bytesforall.org>
To: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>; <banduji at goatelecom.com>
Cc: "Marc MERLIN" <marc_news at vasoftware.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Commands via email...


> Statistics like (i) who visited the site (ii) on which days of the week
> (iii) using which browser (iv) and which OS (v) maybe even which articles
> were most read... (vi) also how many readers are online at the moment...
>
> I was amazed to find that PHPnuke (or is it PostNuke) offers such
> interesting statistics in a very useful chart-format.
>
> FN
>
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Jon Carnes wrote:
>
> > > > Secondly, can the webpage generated by Mailman be made a little more
> > > > ambitious to allow (i) uploading photographs (ii) offering us stats,
as
> > > > PHPnuke does?
> > >
> > > It will do neither, and there are no plans I know off to add that
> > > functionality.
> > >
> > > Marc
> >
> > This sounds like it would be a nice side project - something like
webalyzer
> > (Manalyzer?).  What kind or stats would you want to capture?  How would
you
> > want them displayed?
> > BTW, you can setup the web-pages with pictures, etc... whatever you
like.
> > Jon
>
>




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Mar 15 00:06:09 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:06:09 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL people in mail list
In-Reply-To: <011301c1cba8$cef0b3f0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <B8B66CE1.1C9A8%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

What does the bounce message say? If AOL spamblocks you, they generally
silently throw it away, they don't return it with bounces.


On 3/14/02 2:37 PM, "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com> wrote:

> Sheer speculation and hearsay, but AOL may be doing their best to eliminate
> the spam that clogs their networks.  Thus, they could be limiting the number
> of AOL users that you can have in the envelope of the message.  Three would
> be a bit low, but... To test this bit of hearsay, you can toggle a few bits
> on your server.
> 
> Edit ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cft.py  and set:
> # Ceiling on the number of recipients that can be specified in a single SMTP
> # transaction.  Set to 0 to submit the entire recipient list in one
> # transaction.  Only used with the SMTPDirect DELIVERY_MODULE.
> #SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500
> SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1
> 
> Then send a test and see what precipitates!
> 
> Jon Carnes
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lehuta, Dan" <LEHUTD at dshs.wa.gov>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 6:43 PM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL people in mail list
> 
> 
>> My mail list contains 3 members with AOL addresses.  Recently they are
>> coming back with "excessive bouncing" and their e-mail deliveries get
>> disabled.  Can you explain or help?
>> 
>> Dan Lehuta
>> DSHS-MAA-DIS
>> Applications and Database Development Mgr.
>> 360-725-1806
>> 360-586-0615 (FAX)
>> lehutd at dshs.wa.gov
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users mailing list
>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 
> 

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.chuqui.com/

He doesn't have ulcers, but he's a carrier.




From barry at zope.com  Fri Mar 15 00:30:02 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:30:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman can't handle MIME: Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable?
References: <OFBF423519.24F5C63E-ON85256B7B.00757A3F@mc.duke.edu>
Message-ID: <15505.12922.280551.767707@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "JM" == James Madill <James.Madill at duke.edu> writes:

    JM> Sendmail accepted the encoded document for Mailman, but on
    JM> sending out, Mailman encountered what it thought was an EOM
    JM> marker and stopped the processing of the message at that
    JM> point.  Unfortunately, there was still plenty of message left
    JM> to send, so it was not removed from the queue, and Mailman
    JM> kept on sending the first portion.

>>>>> "BG" == Ben Gertzfield <che at debian.org> writes:

    BG> Mailman 2.1 has an entirely re-written infrastructure for MIME
    BG> message handling, and likely has fixed this bug (the old
    BG> quoted-printable module had some serious flaws and has been
    BG> re-written).

    BG> If you could send us a copy of the naughty message, we could
    BG> test it with Mailman 2.1 from CVS and let you know if the bug
    BG> has been fixed, but I'll bet that it has been fixed now.

I'd still be very surprised if this ends up being a Mailman problem.
Python strings don't care at all about end-markers, NULs, etc. so you
can't put something in a string that would cause Python to shorten
it.  And Mailman just uses the file object's read() method to suck the
message in from disk, and that just reads the whole file.  On writing,
Mailman will hand the whole string over to the smtplib module, which
itself just blasts the whole thing down the socket connection.

I'm much more suspicious of the MTA or some other intermediary
bolluxing something up.

-Barry



From paul at thcwd.com  Fri Mar 15 00:30:49 2002
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:30:49 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: AOL people in mail list
In-Reply-To: <E16lbyD-0005ZV-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020314172247.0609ccd8@localhost>

Lehuta, Dan wrote:
>My mail list contains 3 members with AOL addresses.  Recently they are
>coming back with "excessive bouncing" and their e-mail deliveries get
>disabled.  Can you explain or help?

      AOL can be hyperactive their identification of spam.  If your list 
has been so designated by their computers, no AOL member will be able to 
get mail from the list.  Try sending mail to the AOL folks from your 
private address, and ask them to talk to AOL about the situation.

<>< Paul




From jrhay at HayA.QC.CA  Fri Mar 15 01:08:09 2002
From: jrhay at HayA.QC.CA (James R. Hay)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:08:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] filtering content
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0203141906420.24312-100000@hay.haya.qc.ca>

Hi folks,

I may have missed it somewhere but is there an equivelent way to trap and
hold messages with certain words in the body simillar to the taboo_body
configuration which majordomo has in recent versions?

Thanks,
Jim.

James R. Hay				jrhay at haya.qc.ca
Hay-Net Networks
P.O. Box 46051
Pointe Claire, QC
H9R 5R4





From jbiquez at icsmx.com  Fri Mar 15 03:31:55 2002
From: jbiquez at icsmx.com (Jorge Biquez)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:31:55 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need to create a user each time?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020314203015.01f65560@icsmx.com>

Hello all.

My mail had problems and I'm not sure if I lost an answer to my question. 
I'll post it again.

Is there an URL where we can read the technical documentation of Mailman? I 
mean more specifically things of configuration, problems, etc... besides 
the archives of this list?

Thanks in advance.

JB





From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Fri Mar 15 05:36:26 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:36:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subject lines (feature request)
Message-ID: <20020315043626.GF25745@hq.newdream.net>

a question... and then a feature request.

1) i haven't tested this yet, but if you remove the "Prefix for
subject line of list postings" entirely, will the list simply not
prepend one? i'm assuming this is possible, but it would be nice to
make that more clear in the documentation at least.

2) would it be possible to make a per-user setting to avoid this
prefix on a per-user basis? i know they're very helpful for some
people, but i find them annoying (and i know many others do as well).
i currently strip them off using procmail, but it's a bit tricky, and
doesn't work when people cross-post.

the main issue i see with this would be that the list would then
re-add the prefix for other subscribers, and so responses to messages
without the prefix would get lots and lots of Re: lines. currently i
do something like:

:0
* ^Return-Path: <mailman-users-admin@
{
        SUBJECT=`formail -b -xSubject: \
        | sed -e 's/\[Mailman-Users\][ ]\?//g' \
              -e 's/Re: \(Re: \)*/Re: /g'`
        :0 fw
        | formail -I"Subject:$SUBJECT"
        :0
        lists:mailman/
}

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From elaine at elainemiller.com  Fri Mar 15 07:32:08 2002
From: elaine at elainemiller.com (Elaine Miller)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:32:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] To www or not www, why am I getting an subsc*ibing error?
Message-ID: <3C9124E8.15456.67B7DB5@localhost>

I'm getting an intermittent-but-common failure when people access my 
Mailman subscription form from the "www.vancouverleather.com" version of 
"vancouverleather.com".

Is there a way for me to set it accept both of these as "good" domains?

TIA
Elaine
webdonkey




-^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
              elaine at elainemiller.com
     No trees were harmed in the production of
     this message. But a rather large number
     of electrons were somewhat inconvenienced.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^




From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Fri Mar 15 08:24:24 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:24:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] testing lists using IP addresses
In-Reply-To: <010301c1cba7$2e83efa0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0203132131250.64257-100000@seyyav.pair.com> <010301c1cba7$2e83efa0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <20020315072424.GP24440@merlins.org>

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 05:25:44PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Most MTA's are setup to use the Domain Name.  I think the ip address would
> screw them up considerably.  You could configure your local MTA to handle

The RFCs say that you can send Email to listname@[192.168.101.202] (you need
brackets).
Of course some MTAs piss all over the RFCs, so...

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Mar 15 08:56:30 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:56:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] To www or not www, why am I getting an subsc*ibing error? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Elaine Miller" <elaine@elainemiller.com> 
   of "Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:32:08 PST." <3C9124E8.15456.67B7DB5@localhost> 
References: <3C9124E8.15456.67B7DB5@localhost> 
Message-ID: <32285.1016178990@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:32:08 -0800 
Elaine Miller <elaine at elainemiller.com> wrote:

> I'm getting an intermittent-but-common failure when people access
> my Mailman subscription form from the "www.vancouverleather.com"
> version of "vancouverleather.com".

> Is there a way for me to set it accept both of these as "good"
> domains?

The easiest way is to set one to redirect to the other.  

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From fred at bytesforall.org  Fri Mar 15 10:54:39 2002
From: fred at bytesforall.org (Frederick Noronha)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:24:39 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Making Mailman even more useful...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203151516430.1590-100000@localhost.localdomain>

Guys, Excuse me if I stray off the point. I'm a journalist, not techie.

I've used mailing lists since 1995 and know their power. Mailman is a
great software. Makes one wonder why a number of general books on
mailing-lists fail to talk about Mailman while introducing mailing-list
software like Listserv, Majordomo, ListProc, Lyris, etc... and sites
like Yahoogroups.com or Topica, etc.

My experience has been mainly with Majordomo and Yahoogroups.

Some of the features I find very useful on Yahoogroups:

* Administration (in large measure) via email. For approving or
  rejecting messages, adding or removing members, etc.
* Facility for building much of what a 'virtual community' needs 
  in one place itself. (Storing files, a more-than-basic
  webpage, uploading photos, checking group activity, etc)

Some of the Majordomo features I found cool:

* Plenty admin tasks possible via email.
* Easy for admin to add/delete members via email.
* Well documented in books.

I like Mailman, and find it superior to Majordomo. But maybe I'm unaware
about how some of its features work, so still find Yahoogroups a little
more user-friendly (perhaps out of ignorance).

The problem is that Yahoogroups is dropping hints about offering paid
services.For us in the Third World, where remitting even small amounts of
foreign currency can be a nightmare, this could cause a whole lot of
problems. Mailman could help, and is already helping, us in a big way!

Keep up the good work.

Could you please let me know where I could buy a good book on Mailman?
--
Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa * India 832.409490 / 409783
BYTESFORALL www.bytesforall.org  * GNU-LINUX http://linuxinindia.pitas.com
Email fred at bytesforall.org * SMS 9822122436 at attcell.net * Saligao Goa India
Writing with a difference... on what makes *the* difference




From fred at bytesforall.org  Fri Mar 15 11:39:43 2002
From: fred at bytesforall.org (Frederick Noronha)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:09:43 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commands via email...
In-Reply-To: <015301c1cbab$b1097e00$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203151608230.1590-100000@localhost.localdomain>

Yes, I guess so. I'm a non-techie. Could webalyzer be linked up with
Mailman?

What about email stats? Number of messages sent? Activity levels? Average
length of messages? Most number of postings -- from whom? Etc...

On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Jon Carnes wrote:


> So all you really want *is* webalyzer.  You're just interested in Web stats.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frederick Noronha" <fred at bytesforall.org>
> 
> > Statistics like (i) who visited the site (ii) on which days of the week
> > (iii) using which browser (iv) and which OS (v) maybe even which articles
> > were most read... (vi) also how many readers are online at the moment...
> >
> > I was amazed to find that PHPnuke (or is it PostNuke) offers such
> > interesting statistics in a very useful chart-format.
> >
> > FN




From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com  Fri Mar 15 13:34:42 2002
From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganesh HariHaran)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:34:42 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search Faclity for mail archive in mailman
Message-ID: <20020315.12344200@ganeshh.naturesoft.com>

Hello List

How to configure search facility for mail archive in mailman.

Please let me know more on this.

Thanks and regards
Ganeshh 






From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Mar 15 13:54:58 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:54:58 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Search Faclity for mail archive in mailman
In-Reply-To: <20020315.12344200@ganeshh.naturesoft.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020315125351.0358aeb0@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 12:34 15/03/2002 +0000, Ganesh HariHaran wrote:
>Hello List
>
>How to configure search facility for mail archive in mailman.
>
>Please let me know more on this.
>
>Thanks and regards
>Ganeshh

The following patches integrate the htdig (http://www.htdig.org/) search 
engine with Mailman.

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103

Also see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp




From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com  Fri Mar 15 14:04:45 2002
From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganesh HariHaran)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:04:45 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Search Faclity for mail archive in mailman
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020315125351.0358aeb0@pop.ftel.co.uk>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020315125351.0358aeb0@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20020315.13044500@ganeshh.naturesoft.com>

Hi Richard
I am running 2.0.8, where do i need to patch it..
can u give me some tips..
thanks
Ganeshh 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 3/15/02, 6:24:58 PM, Richard Barrett <R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk> wrote 
regarding Re: Search Faclity for mail archive in mailman:


> At 12:34 15/03/2002 +0000, Ganesh HariHaran wrote:
> >Hello List
> >
> >How to configure search facility for mail archive in mailman.
> >
> >Please let me know more on this.
> >
> >Thanks and regards
> >Ganeshh

> The following patches integrate the htdig (http://www.htdig.org/) 
search
> engine with Mailman.

> 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_i
d=103&atid=300103

> 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_i
d=103&atid=300103

> Also see 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp






From paland at stetson.edu  Fri Mar 15 15:20:26 2002
From: paland at stetson.edu (Patrick Aland)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:20:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preserve message for site administrator works?
Message-ID: <20020315092026.V671@stetson.edu>

I can't seem to get the Preserver Message for system adminsitrator
function to work, on the admindb pages. I've tried it with Reject, Defer and Approve and it
still gets rid of the message from the DB. Does that funtion work/do I
need to turn it on somehow?

Running 2.0.8, had the problem in 2.0.1 though.

Thanks.
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------
 Patrick Aland                          paland at stetson.edu
 Network Administrator                  Voice: 386.822.7217
 Stetson University                     Fax: 386.822.7367
------------------------------------------------------------



From catmaxx at boldgold.com  Fri Mar 15 15:05:16 2002
From: catmaxx at boldgold.com (Catherine Mannix)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:05:16 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] max size list
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020315080230.00b0af00@perilpoint.com>

Hello,

Can someone tell me what is the maximum size (number of subscribers) that 
the Mailman program can comfortably handle?

Thanks in advance,
Cat Mannix



From mihail.tsagidis at bay4you.de  Fri Mar 15 15:18:03 2002
From: mihail.tsagidis at bay4you.de (Mihail Tsagidis)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:18:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] send personalized mail to all members of the list
In-Reply-To: <JHEKLBGMBHPFIBJOBIFDGEKFCAAA.mihail.tsagidis@bay4you.de>
Message-ID: <JHEKLBGMBHPFIBJOBIFDOENFCAAA.mihail.tsagidis@bay4you.de>

Hello,

I want to use the mailman list as a newsletter.

How can I sent personalized Mail to the list. What we want to achieve is
that within the mail appears the E-Mail Adresse of the recipient, like "Dear
Subscriber. You have subscribed with E-Mail Address <E-Mail Address > to
this list...."

Can someone point me to the right direction?

Thanks,
Mihail Tsagidis

--
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Weintraubengasse 2
D-90403 Nurnberg
Tel. 0911 / 81025-0
Fax. 0911 / 81025-11
Web: www.bay4you.de




From mihail.tsagidis at bay4you.de  Fri Mar 15 15:18:03 2002
From: mihail.tsagidis at bay4you.de (Mihail Tsagidis)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:18:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] set up the mailman list as a newsletter ?
In-Reply-To: <JHEKLBGMBHPFIBJOBIFDGEKFCAAA.mihail.tsagidis@bay4you.de>
Message-ID: <JHEKLBGMBHPFIBJOBIFDMENFCAAA.mihail.tsagidis@bay4you.de>

Hello,

I am setting up a mailman list that will be only a newsletter. So the
subscribers should not be able to sent mail to the list.

Therefore I have checked to YES the option "Must posts be approved by an
administrator?".
Is this the right way if you want to set up the list as a newsletter?
best regards,
Mihail Tsagidis

--
Bay4you Marktplatz GmbH & Co. KG
Weintraubengasse 2
D-90403 Nurnberg
Tel. 0911 / 81025-0
Fax. 0911 / 81025-11
Web: www.bay4you.de




From brian at pro-phile.com  Thu Mar 14 22:35:00 2002
From: brian at pro-phile.com (Brian Teal)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:35:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old problem, AGAIN!
Message-ID: <002901c1cba0$27536ff0$0200a8c0@ddr>

OK, this happened to me a while ago and I've included some of your previous
answers at the bottom of this post, but here is the problem.
I run a hosting company that is subcontracting the servers we use from
another larger company (resellers, yes). They are not quite "dedicated" but
we do have our own processing, resources, etc. on the servers so when we
restart our "server" it isn't necessarily restarting the whole physical
server (UNIX running Red Hat). Anyway, one of the servers had a "physical
fault" today and had to be restarted by the technicians. After it was
restarted, mailman was no longer sending out messages. I tailed the messages
into mailman, into the "wrapper"? But nothing comes out to my 350
recipients. I checked the crontab and looked for qrunner somewhere, but this
is what it looks like:
___________________________________
SHELL=/bin/bash
PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
MAILTO=root
HOME=/

# run-parts
* * * * * root run-parts /etc/cron.minute
*/10 * * * * root run-parts /etc/cron.tenth
01 * * * * root run-parts /etc/cron.hourly
02 4 * * * root run-parts /etc/cron.daily
22 4 * * 0 root run-parts /etc/cron.weekly
42 4 1 * * root run-parts /etc/cron.monthly
___________________________________

It doesn't contain qrunner anywhere in it, should it?
Also, when tailing the message, it goes to
/home/mailman/mail/mailman_wrapper post cbr900 and it appears as sent.
However, nothing comes out after that.
So, with all of that, here are the other posts from you all last time I had
this problem. Let me know what you think. I HAVE done the killall, checked
perms and db and all are fine. I reset the cron and the system time looks
correct.

*****<<<SNIP>>>*****
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 08:01:35AM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
>
> >>>>> "DW" == Dan Wilder <wilder at eskimo.com> writes:
>
>     DW> If you can get to the mail logs on the server (someplace in
>     DW> /var/log/ maybe, often called "mail." something, and do a
>     DW> "tail -f logfilename" while you send some mail to the list,
>     DW> you can sometimes gain some insights.
>
> Yep, also check the Mailman logs in $prefix/logs and check the Mailman
> queue $prefix/qfiles.  What version of Mailman?  What version of
> Python?  Did any of these change?  Did they upgrade any system
> software?  Did they muck with cron?  Maybe your crontab entries got
> wasted.
>
> >>>>> "PTS" == Pro-phile Technology Solutions <mailman at pro-phile.com>
writes:
>
>     PTS> I recently upgraded my server space (about 2:30 today) and
>     PTS> the list stopped working at about 2:30 today. Hmmmm. They
>     PTS> (the techs) said that the only thing they did was allocate
>     PTS> more space on the servers I was on for me to use and they
>     PTS> touched nothing else.
>
> As a former (and sometimes current reluctant) sysadmin, I just don't
> believe this. :)  It's too suspicious.

As a current sysadmin, amen!

The original querant had emailed me personally and I replied
without thinking to copy the list.  I'd suggested he check
cron, both the crontab (or /etc/cron*/whatever) entry for
qrunner, to see whether it had been deleted, and the cron daemon.
Sometimes after a severe clock-shaking it's useful to
"killall -HUP crond" to get it moving again.

Of course the prudent sysadmin would reboot at that point,
as crond isn't the only daemon that'll sulk following
a period of temporal chaos.  Postfix is my favorite; short of
reboot, I'll always do a "postfix reload" following a significant
clock jump on a server I can't reboot at that time.

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From martin at exp.trace.wisc.edu  Fri Mar 15 05:31:13 2002
From: martin at exp.trace.wisc.edu (AnDy)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:31:13 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Central address for handling requests?
Message-ID: <011b01c1cbda$3d372de0$a217a8c0@MrSlate>

Is there a way to setup Mailman for a single email address (eg.
listrequest at host.com)?  My company used to run listproc, which has a single
email address to handle all incoming subscription requests, which is very
nice when the email interface needs to be as user-friendly as is possible.
Is there a way to accomplish this in Mailman instead of having separate
<list>-request at host.com addresses?


Andrew Martin
martin at trace.wisc.edu





From jody at onsetsys.com  Fri Mar 15 10:58:18 2002
From: jody at onsetsys.com (Jody Dresner)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:58:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] news_covered-house.net- multiple abuse
Message-ID: <00d601c1cc07$ef776060$0100a8c0@jody>

PLEASE DO WHATEVER YOU CAN TO GET RID OF THIS MAIL NET AS IT'S CAUSING CONSIDERABLE HASSLE BY LOPPING HUNDREDS OF EMAILS!
(News at covered-house.net)
A mailing list is being irresponsibly operated by an imhosted.com domain name registrant. This list is sending unsolicited email to hundreds of recipients and the mechanism for unsubsrcibing is not functioning. Needless to say, there are quite a few irate recipients (myself included) who would like this e-mail abuse by one of your clients to stop. 

Here is the contact information for the offending domain name registrant:

   Emil Gurov (COVERED-HOUSE-NET-DOM)
   134 Rakovska Str, Sofia, SO 1505, Bulgaria, +35929817611 +35929817611
   vency at inagency.com

Your prompt assistance in this matter will be greatly appreciated by myself and hundreds of others who's email addresses have somehow ended up on this mailing list.

Thank you,


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From James.Madill at duke.edu  Fri Mar 15 15:35:38 2002
From: James.Madill at duke.edu (James Madill)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:35:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman can't handle MIME: Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable?
Message-ID: <OF99F05572.2A0C4C1E-ON85256B7D.004D2990@mc.duke.edu>

        Notes, the originating Mailer of the message in question is also 
ESMTP.  My MTA, sendmail 8.12.1, is an ESMTP mailer, and able to correctly 
handle a lone period on a line in the middle of an E-mail message.  What 
MTA does Mailman use when DELIVERY_MODULE is set to 'SMTPDirect'? Internal 
code?

        I think that what is happening is that the MTA that Mailman is 
talking to is not told that ESMTP should be used.  In doing so, when 
Mailman writes out to the MTA, the MTA sees the EOM marker and stops 
accepting data for that message.

-- James

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barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Sent by: mailman-users-admin at python.org
03/14/02 18:30

 
        To:     "James Madill" <James.Madill at duke.edu>
        cc:     mailman-developers at python.org, Mailman-Users at python.org
        Subject:        [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman can't handle MIME: 
Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable?



>>>>> "JM" == James Madill <James.Madill at duke.edu> writes:

    JM> Sendmail accepted the encoded document for Mailman, but on
    JM> sending out, Mailman encountered what it thought was an EOM
    JM> marker and stopped the processing of the message at that
    JM> point.  Unfortunately, there was still plenty of message left
    JM> to send, so it was not removed from the queue, and Mailman
    JM> kept on sending the first portion.

>>>>> "BG" == Ben Gertzfield <che at debian.org> writes:

    BG> Mailman 2.1 has an entirely re-written infrastructure for MIME
    BG> message handling, and likely has fixed this bug (the old
    BG> quoted-printable module had some serious flaws and has been
    BG> re-written).

    BG> If you could send us a copy of the naughty message, we could
    BG> test it with Mailman 2.1 from CVS and let you know if the bug
    BG> has been fixed, but I'll bet that it has been fixed now.

I'd still be very surprised if this ends up being a Mailman problem.
Python strings don't care at all about end-markers, NULs, etc. so you
can't put something in a string that would cause Python to shorten
it.  And Mailman just uses the file object's read() method to suck the
message in from disk, and that just reads the whole file.  On writing,
Mailman will hand the whole string over to the smtplib module, which
itself just blasts the whole thing down the socket connection.

I'm much more suspicious of the MTA or some other intermediary
bolluxing something up.

-Barry

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From ckolar at imsa.edu  Fri Mar 15 15:47:18 2002
From: ckolar at imsa.edu (Christopher Kolar)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:47:18 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mm friendly ISP/web host?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020315084431.03842870@staffmail.imsa.edu>

Hi all.  I am soon going to lose my broadband (moving to the countryside), 
which means that the server in my office is going to disappear.  I was 
wondering if you all could suggest an ISP or web hosting company whose 
accounts allow you (both technically and as part of the TOS) to install and 
run Mailman under a hosted domain.  Thanks much for any suggestions.

--chris


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From paul at paulsfunhouse.com  Fri Mar 15 16:11:59 2002
From: paul at paulsfunhouse.com (Paul Croft)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:11:59 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personal Footers
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020315091017.02bbc330@paulsfunhouse.com>

Hey

Is there anyway to include a personal footer on the emails which could 
include the subscribers email address? Something like:

You are subscribed with: joe at joesdomain.com

This would make it easier to manage subscribers who can't figure out how to 
read header info.

TIA

Paul




From danix at cloud9.net  Fri Mar 15 16:21:58 2002
From: danix at cloud9.net (danix)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:21:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] need help with a broken installation
Message-ID: <20020315152158.C850E2AA07@earl-grey.cloud9.net>

I'm running mailman on a Sun, under solaris 2.6.
A few factors have my system broken at the moment:

- switched from sendmail to postfix
- some services mysteriously no longer work at boot time
- mailman is having issues

The switch to postfix was done some time ago, but I'm not sure if I had rebooted
since then.  The boot time problem is weird, making me suspect a hack, but
I'm not sure.

I did have things running OK last night, but around 1:30am mail stopped flowing
through mailman and has not come back since.

Besides a shoulder to cry (sleep?) on, I need to know:

1) When you install mailman with a postfix system, do you have to give
mailman the --userXXX=postfix flag to configure or not?

2) Do the files in ~mailman/scripts need to be executable?  I've run the 
check permissions script a couple of times with no reported errors, but
my archives are so large this takes forever.

I know a couple of the lead developers are on IM - if you would send me private
email with your screenname I'd appreciate the chance to debug in real time with
you.

Thanks!



From catmaxx at boldgold.com  Fri Mar 15 15:58:57 2002
From: catmaxx at boldgold.com (Catherine Mannix)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:58:57 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: To www or not www, why am I getting an subsc*ibing error?
In-Reply-To: <E16lsoq-0005h9-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020315085501.00a9e440@perilpoint.com>

At 09:36 AM 3/15/2002 -0500, Elaine Miller wrote:
>I'm getting an intermittent-but-common failure when people access my
>Mailman subscription form from the "www.vancouverleather.com" version of
>"vancouverleather.com".
>
>Is there a way for me to set it accept both of these as "good" domains?

You can set both to the same location on the server in your httpd.conf file 
if you are running Apache.

Regards,
Cat Mannix



From catmaxx at boldgold.com  Fri Mar 15 16:07:17 2002
From: catmaxx at boldgold.com (Catherine Mannix)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:07:17 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: set up the mailman list as a newsletter ?
In-Reply-To: <E16lsoq-0005h9-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020315090606.00b3c9a0@perilpoint.com>

Or you can set the Reply-to to Poster.

Regards,
Cat Mannix

At 09:36 AM 3/15/2002 -0500, Mihail Tsagidis wrote:
>I am setting up a mailman list that will be only a newsletter. So the
>subscribers should not be able to sent mail to the list.
>
>Therefore I have checked to YES the option "Must posts be approved by an
>administrator?".
>Is this the right way if you want to set up the list as a newsletter?




From barry at zope.com  Fri Mar 15 16:23:25 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:23:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman can't handle MIME: Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable?
References: <OF99F05572.2A0C4C1E-ON85256B7D.004D2990@mc.duke.edu>
Message-ID: <15506.4589.231758.141936@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "JM" == James Madill <James.Madill at duke.edu> writes:

    JM>         Notes, the originating Mailer of the message in
    JM> question is also ESMTP.  My MTA, sendmail 8.12.1, is an ESMTP
    JM> mailer, and able to correctly handle a lone period on a line
    JM> in the middle of an E-mail message.  What MTA does Mailman use
    JM> when DELIVERY_MODULE is set to 'SMTPDirect'? Internal code?

It talks to whatever MTA is listening on port 25, localhost (by
default).  Mailman does not include MTA functionality; it's designed
to hand the message off to a real MTA for final delivery.

    JM>         I think that what is happening is that the MTA that
    JM> Mailman is talking to is not told that ESMTP should be used.
    JM> In doing so, when Mailman writes out to the MTA, the MTA sees
    JM> the EOM marker and stops accepting data for that message.

Then it has to be your sendmail 8.12.1 MTA, because that's what
Mailman is talking to.  Note that Python's smtplib -- which is the
module Mailman uses to talk to the MTA -- is designed to try EHLO
first and fall back to HELO only if the former fails.

Sounds like something's not kosher with your sendmail installation.
-Barry



From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Fri Mar 15 16:26:40 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 15 Mar 2002 16:26:40 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] forbidden_posters option
In-Reply-To: "Fachschaft Biologie, Wuerzburg"'s message of "Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:27:50 +0100"
References: <3C905F06.28150.96EF5E7@localhost>
Message-ID: <m33cz1rgwf.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

"Fachschaft Biologie, Wuerzburg" <fs at biozentrum.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes:

> But we also have big problems with spam! In the "privacy options" I cannot found 
> the "forbidden_posters option".
> Could you please tell me, where this is to be found?

Try under

Privacy Options

Restrict posting privilege to list members?

or

Addresses whose postings are always held for approval.

or

Hold posts with header value matching a specified regexp.


 Mit freundlichen Gr??en
 Detlef Neubauer

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From skip at pobox.com  Fri Mar 15 16:31:32 2002
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:31:32 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mm friendly ISP/web host?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020315084431.03842870@staffmail.imsa.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020315084431.03842870@staffmail.imsa.edu>
Message-ID: <15506.5076.928772.173409@12-248-41-177.client.attbi.com>

    Chris> Hi all.  I am soon going to lose my broadband (moving to the
    Chris> countryside), which means that the server in my office is going
    Chris> to disappear.  I was wondering if you all could suggest an ISP or
    Chris> web hosting company whose accounts allow you (both technically
    Chris> and as part of the TOS) to install and run Mailman under a hosted
    Chris> domain.  Thanks much for any suggestions.

Hostway (http://www.hostway.com/) provides Mailman with all services except
their most basic offering.  They allow you to run one list with up to 250
subscribers.  If you want to run more mailing lists or run a list with more
users you can for an extra fee.

I have a Hostway account, but have not used Mailman there and have no
financial interest, yadda, yadda, yadda.

-- 
Skip Montanaro (skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/)



From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Fri Mar 15 16:31:45 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:31:45 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: set up the mailman list as a newsletter ?
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020315090606.00b3c9a0@perilpoint.com>
References: <E16lsoq-0005h9-00@mail.python.org> <4.2.0.58.20020315090606.00b3c9a0@perilpoint.com>
Message-ID: <20020315153145.GQ24440@merlins.org>

On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 09:07:17AM -0600, Catherine Mannix wrote:
> Or you can set the Reply-to to Poster.

Hint: setting Reply-To does _not_ let you redirect answers reliably.
Reply to all with reply to the list and the original sender regardless of
what Reply-To is set to.

Your best bet  if you want to prevent  replies from going to the  list is to
send your mail to "listname-noreply at your.domain.tld" (which is redirected to
/dev/null) and Bcc your post to the actual listname

At work, I have exim rewrite all at domain.tld into
dont-send-mail-to-all at domain.tld in the header to.
That way if people reply to all, the mail doesn't go to all (which is
moderated anyway)

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
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From anna at water.ca.gov  Fri Mar 15 18:13:06 2002
From: anna at water.ca.gov (Anna Fong)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:13:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] BUG? move_list doesn't correctly update config.db
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020315091306.00a9e690@storm>

Recently tried migrating lists from Mailman 1.1 on one server to Mailman
2.0.8 on different server.

Noticed that move_list was not correctly updating path in config.db for
archives which causes the list not to post mail. (Mailman 2.0.8 on
different server)

When doing `strings config.db` on old config.db for
private_archive_file_dirs, I get
"/usr/local/etc/mailman/archives/private/migration_test.mboxs" as expected.

But after doing a move_list on new server, for private_archive_file_dirs I
get "/export2/home/mailman/lists/migration_test.mboxs" which is going down
"lists" directory not "archives" directory.  Not correct!

After doing a rmlist on the new server and then newlist, for
private_archive_file_dirs I get
"/export2/home/mailman/archives/private/migration_test.mboxs" which is
correct.  But this means I have to blow away my existing configuration
parameters and start from scratch.  Not what I want!

Is this a known bug?  If so, is there a patch?

TIA,
Anna




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California Data Exchange Center	




From wheakory at isu.edu  Fri Mar 15 18:18:45 2002
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:18:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2-0.8 question
Message-ID: <3C922CF5.F7473066@isu.edu>

For some reason I'm not able to create a mailing list in uppercase
letters. I have not modified the scripts at all. This is the first
mailing list in mailman 2-.0.8 that I have tried uppercase letters in. I
have created uppercase mailing lists in the past versions of mailman and
thats worked fine. Does anyone know the solution?

--
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Kory Wheatley
Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
Phone 282-3874
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From catmaxx at boldgold.com  Fri Mar 15 19:18:23 2002
From: catmaxx at boldgold.com (Catherine Mannix)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:18:23 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman error
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020315115647.00d0d7a0@perilpoint.com>

Hello,

Could someone help me figure out what happened? I was adding subscribers to 
a list this morning in bunches of 50-100 at a time when the program 
displayed this error message:
Bug in Mailman version 2.0.7

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of 
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but 
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.
I was able to subscribe 7,881 subscribers before the above error happened. 
Looking into the error log, I am not able to figure out what happened or 
how to unlock the program for the list. The error log has many entries like 
this one:
Mar 15 09:19:48 2002 (3757) Delivery exception:
Mar 15 09:19:48 2002 (3757) Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in 
do_pipeline
     func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 77, in 
process
     mlist.Lock()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1339, in Lock
     self.__lock.lock(timeout)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 266, in lock
     raise AlreadyLockedError
AlreadyLockedError

As well as, the following traceback info:
admin(17090): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.7 -----]
admin(17090): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(17090): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(17090):   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(17090):     main()
admin(17090):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 152, 
in main
admin(17090):     ChangeOptions(mlist, category, cgidata, doc)
admin(17090):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 897, 
in ChangeOptions
admin(17090):     digest, send_welcome_msg)
admin(17090):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1124, 
in ApprovedAddMembers
admin(17090):     self.Save()
admin(17090):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 857, in 
Save
admin(17090):     self.__save(dict)
admin(17090):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 816, in 
__save
admin(17090):     fp.write(marshal.dumps(dict))
admin(17090): MemoryError

I tested another list on the server and it seems to be working fine without 
any bug errors. In case this helps, the server is an Intel Pentium III CPU 
running FreeBSD 4.4 UNIX O/S and Apache 1.3 Web Server.

Can someone tell me what it is that has created this error and how to fix 
it and unlock the list?

Thanks in advance,
Cat Mannix

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From barry at zope.com  Fri Mar 15 19:39:10 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:39:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To: munging (was Re: [Mailman-Developers] Feedback ...)
References: <3C8D1AB4.DAFA2A35@nleaudio.com>
	<B8B2628B.1B806%chuqui@plaidworks.com>
Message-ID: <15506.16334.262095.111566@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "CVR" == Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui at plaidworks.com> writes:

    CVR> The other thing I'd like like to see is an option to 'strip
    CVR> all reply-tos' so that a reply-to that is set as it enters
    CVR> the mailman system is removed and not propogated. Allowing
    CVR> and end-user's reply-to to propogate can cause all sorts of
    CVR> havoc, and frankly, can be used to mailbomb someone if you
    CVR> want to play troll.

Let me summarize what the system does now (apologies if I'm just
repeating myself ;).  I think it is flexible enough to support any
Reply-To: policy your list owners might want to impose.

- You can config MM to strip any Reply-To: header on the original
  message, or preserve it.  This is orthogonal to any Reply-To:
  munging that may happen later.

- You can config MM to set a Reply-To: to point back to the list, or
  to any explicit address you may want.

- All the Reply-To: addresses that will show up on the reflected
  message are put in a single Reply-To: header, so as to be maximally
  RFC compliant (RFC 2822 doesn't allow for multiple Reply-To:
  headers, but does allow for multiple addresses on a single Reply-To:
  -- go figure).

    CVR> Bob's got a point. There has to be a way to say "don't
    CVR> override", although, if you don't enable the option for a
    CVR> list, don't you already get that?

I've totally lost context on this question so I can't answer it.
-Barry



From catmaxx at boldgold.com  Fri Mar 15 19:41:31 2002
From: catmaxx at boldgold.com (Catherine Mannix)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:41:31 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman error
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020315123619.00a9d150@perilpoint.com>

Hello,

Could someone help me figure out what happened? I was adding subscribers to 
a list this morning in bunches of 50-100 at a time when the program 
displayed this error message:

 >Bug in Mailman version 2.0.7
 >
 >We're sorry, we hit a bug!
 >
 >Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
 >traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
 >the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.

Before this happened, I was able to subscribe 7,881 addresses. Looking into 
the error log, I am not able to figure out what happened or how to unlock 
the program for the list. The error log has many entries like this one:

 >Mar 15 09:19:48 2002 (3757) Delivery exception:
 >Mar 15 09:19:48 2002 (3757) Traceback (most recent call last):
 >  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in
 >do_pipeline
 >    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
 >  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 77, in
 >process
 >    mlist.Lock()
 >  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1339, in Lock
 >    self.__lock.lock(timeout)
 >  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 266, in lock
 >    raise AlreadyLockedError
 >AlreadyLockedError

As well as, the following traceback info:

 >admin(17090): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.7 -----]
 >admin(17090): [----- Traceback ------]
 >admin(17090): Traceback (most recent call last):
 >admin(17090):   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in 
run_main
 >admin(17090):     main()
 >admin(17090):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 152, in
 >main
 >admin(17090):     ChangeOptions(mlist, category, cgidata, doc)
 >admin(17090):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 897, in
 >ChangeOptions
 >admin(17090):     digest, send_welcome_msg)
 >admin(17090):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1124, in
 >ApprovedAddMembers
 >admin(17090):     self.Save()
 >admin(17090):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 857, in
 >Save
 >admin(17090):     self.__save(dict)
 >admin(17090):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 816, in
 >__save
 >admin(17090):     fp.write(marshal.dumps(dict))
 >admin(17090): MemoryError

I tested another list on the server and it seems to be working fine without 
any bug error so it appears that the problem is only occurring with this 
one list. In case this helps, the server is an Intel Pentium III running 
FreeBSD 4.4 UNIX O/S and Apache 1.3 Web Server.

Can someone tell me what it is that has created this error and how to fix 
it and unlock the list?

Thanks in advance,
Cat Mannix





From danix at cloud9.net  Fri Mar 15 20:09:03 2002
From: danix at cloud9.net (danix)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:09:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] still need help - filter/alias problem
Message-ID: <20020315190903.702512AA07@earl-grey.cloud9.net>

I've narrowed things down I think.

I am seeing posts fail to lists that look like this in the alias file:
quattro:            "|/home/mailman/scripts/post quattro"

but not these:
marketplace:             "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post marketplace"

The obvious answer is to use filter, but the top of the file says:
# This aliases file contains only aliases for mailman.
# This file should be owned/grouped mailman
# All contents will be run by postfix as the mailman user
# so note that wrapper is no longer needed
# 1/16/2002

(Someone helped me with postfix migration and I recall that he recompiled 
mailman at that time.)

I've already rebuilt mailman with:
configure --with-mail-gid=mailman

I've also run:
python -c'import os; print os.getgid()' 
which returns "100", which matches mailman in /etc/group.

Suggestions please?  I've got over 2000 users who have been down for almost 
24 hours now.

Thanks.



From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Fri Mar 15 20:24:36 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:24:36 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mm friendly ISP/web host?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020315084431.03842870@staffmail.imsa.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020315084431.03842870@staffmail.imsa.edu>
Message-ID: <20020315192436.GD5934@hq.newdream.net>

Christopher Kolar wrote:

> Hi all.  I am soon going to lose my broadband (moving to the
> countryside), which means that the server in my office is going to
> disappear.  I was wondering if you all could suggest an ISP or web
> hosting company whose accounts allow you (both technically and as part
> of the TOS) to install and run Mailman under a hosted domain.

<shameless plug>
my employer offers this.  http://dreamhost.com/  we don't allow you to
install and run it in your user space (except on dedicated machines),
but we have an add-on mailman service that's pre-configured.

you can get more info at the site, or contact sales at dreamhost dot com
for more information.
</shameless plug>

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From barry at zope.com  Fri Mar 15 20:42:14 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:42:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Feedback needed: nodupes patch and reply-to munging per user
References: <20020311204127.GE23754@merlins.org>
	<20020311205427.GA27390@rezo.net>
	<20020311225022.GH23754@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <15506.20118.936448.549052@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "MM" == Marc MERLIN <marc_news at vasoftware.com> writes:

    MM> Ah, you want as a site owner to not have dupe removal enabled?
    MM> Ok, then after installing mailman-cvs, make sure you set
    MM> DEFAULT_NEW_MEMBER_OPTIONS to 0 (or make sure it doesn't
    MM> contain 256).  If you are a list owner, the interface also
    MM> allows you to not set nodupes by default for new users.

I'm thinking that the default for DEFAULT_NEW_MEMBER_OPTIONS should be
0, not 256.  This feels better to me as more in-line with existing
behavior.  Comments?

-Barry



From jrhay at HayA.QC.CA  Fri Mar 15 20:42:03 2002
From: jrhay at HayA.QC.CA (James R. Hay)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:42:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mm friendly ISP/web host?
In-Reply-To: <20020315192436.GD5934@hq.newdream.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0203151441230.28200-100000@hay.haya.qc.ca>

While we're in the shameless plug department my own firm, Hay-Net Networks
can now also offer this service to our e-mail and web hosting clients.

Jim.

James R. Hay				jrhay at haya.qc.ca
Hay-Net Networks
P.O. Box 46051
Pointe Claire, QC
H9R 5R4

On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Will Yardley wrote:

> Christopher Kolar wrote:
>
> > Hi all.  I am soon going to lose my broadband (moving to the
> > countryside), which means that the server in my office is going to
> > disappear.  I was wondering if you all could suggest an ISP or web
> > hosting company whose accounts allow you (both technically and as part
> > of the TOS) to install and run Mailman under a hosted domain.
>
> <shameless plug>
> my employer offers this.  http://dreamhost.com/  we don't allow you to
> install and run it in your user space (except on dedicated machines),
> but we have an add-on mailman service that's pre-configured.
>
> you can get more info at the site, or contact sales at dreamhost dot com
> for more information.
> </shameless plug>




From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Fri Mar 15 20:45:29 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:45:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Feedback needed: nodupes patch and reply-to munging per user
In-Reply-To: <15506.20118.936448.549052@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <20020311204127.GE23754@merlins.org> <20020311205427.GA27390@rezo.net> <20020311225022.GH23754@merlins.org> <15506.20118.936448.549052@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <20020315194529.GU23754@merlins.org>

On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 02:42:14PM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "MM" == Marc MERLIN <marc_news at vasoftware.com> writes:
> 
>     MM> Ah, you want as a site owner to not have dupe removal enabled?
>     MM> Ok, then after installing mailman-cvs, make sure you set
>     MM> DEFAULT_NEW_MEMBER_OPTIONS to 0 (or make sure it doesn't
>     MM> contain 256).  If you are a list owner, the interface also
>     MM> allows you to not set nodupes by default for new users.
> 
> I'm thinking that the default for DEFAULT_NEW_MEMBER_OPTIONS should be
> 0, not 256.  This feels better to me as more in-line with existing
> behavior.  Comments?

If you want to be really conservative, you can set it to 0.
That said,  while most people  I know dealt  with receiving dupes,  very few
actually wanted to receive them.
That's why I  thought enabling nodupes by  default would be a  good thing (I
also need to find a way to do a  mass change of all the membership of a list
to nodupes without checking boxes on the web interface)

I think  on this subject, you'll  have few people wanting  dupes by default,
and again, it's  a sitewide, listwide, and user-level setting,  so it can be
changed easily in the case the default isnt' good :)

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From dan at peeron.com  Fri Mar 15 20:49:43 2002
From: dan at peeron.com (Dan Boger)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:49:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ./configure hangs on SuSE 7.1
Message-ID: <20020315194943.GY18919@peeron.com>

I'm trying to install mailman 2.0.8 on an alpha running SuSE 7.1.  while
running ./configure, the process hangs:

./configure --with-cgi-gid=nogroup
loading cache ./config.cache
checking for --with-python... no
checking for python... (cached) /usr/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python
checking Python version... 2.0
checking for a BSD compatible install... (cached) /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... (cached) yes
checking for true... (cached) /bin/true
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for gcc... (cached) gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes
checking whether #! works in shell scripts... (cached) yes
checking for --with-var-prefix... no
checking for --with-username... mailman
checking for mailman UID... 522
checking for --with-groupname... mailman
checking for mailman GID... 112
checking permissions on /home/mailman... okay
checking for mail wrapper GID... (cached) 12
checking for CGI wrapper GID... 99
checking for CGI extensions... no

[hangs]

ctrl-c doesn't do anything, but ctrl-\ does... at which point configure
continues with:

./configure: line 1480: 16427 Quit                    $PYTHON
conftest.py
checking for default fully qualified host name... head: conftest.out: No
such file or directory

checking for default URL host component... tail: conftest.out: No such
file or directory

checking for strerror... (cached) yes
checking for setregid... (cached) yes
checking for syslog... (cached) yes
checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) gcc -E
checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes
checking for syslog.h... (cached) yes
checking for uid_t in sys/types.h... (cached) yes
checking type of array argument to getgroups... (cached) gid_t
checking for vsnprintf... (cached) yes
creating ./config.status
creating misc/paths.py
creating Mailman/Defaults.py
creating Mailman/mm_cfg.py.dist
creating src/Makefile
creating misc/Makefile
creating bin/Makefile
creating Mailman/Makefile
creating Mailman/Cgi/Makefile
creating Mailman/Logging/Makefile
creating Mailman/Archiver/Makefile
creating Mailman/pythonlib/Makefile
creating Mailman/Handlers/Makefile
creating Mailman/Bouncers/Makefile
creating templates/Makefile
creating cron/Makefile
creating filters/Makefile
creating scripts/Makefile
creating cron/crontab.in
creating Makefile


what's broken here?  python installed is :


> python -v
# /usr/lib/python2.0/site.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.0/site.py
import site # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.0/site.pyc
# /usr/lib/python2.0/os.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.0/os.py
import os # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.0/os.pyc
import posix # builtin
# /usr/lib/python2.0/posixpath.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.0/posixpath.py
import posixpath # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.0/posixpath.pyc
# /usr/lib/python2.0/stat.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.0/stat.py
import stat # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.0/stat.pyc
# /usr/lib/python2.0/UserDict.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.0/UserDict.py
import UserDict # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.0/UserDict.pyc
Python 2.0 (#1, Apr 24 2001, 15:07:32)
[GCC 2.96 20000731 (SuSE Linux 7.1/Alpha)] on linux2
Type "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
import readline # dynamically loaded from /usr/lib/python2.0/lib-dynload/readline.so
>>>

Any help would be greatly appreciated.  And let me know if there's any
other information I could supply.

Thanks!

-- 
Dan Boger
dan at peeron.com



From barry at zope.com  Fri Mar 15 21:58:12 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:58:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Feedback needed: nodupes patch and reply-to munging per user
References: <20020311204127.GE23754@merlins.org>
	<20020311205427.GA27390@rezo.net>
	<20020311225022.GH23754@merlins.org>
	<15506.20118.936448.549052@anthem.wooz.org>
	<20020315194529.GU23754@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <15506.24676.891929.604580@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "MM" == Marc MERLIN <marc_news at vasoftware.com> writes:

    >> new users.  I'm thinking that the default for
    >> DEFAULT_NEW_MEMBER_OPTIONS should be 0, not 256.  This feels
    >> better to me as more in-line with existing behavior.  Comments?

    MM> If you want to be really conservative, you can set it to 0.
    MM> That said, while most people I know dealt with receiving
    MM> dupes, very few actually wanted to receive them.  That's why I
    MM> thought enabling nodupes by default would be a good thing (I
    MM> also need to find a way to do a mass change of all the
    MM> membership of a list to nodupes without checking boxes on the
    MM> web interface)

    MM> I think on this subject, you'll have few people wanting dupes
    MM> by default, and again, it's a sitewide, listwide, and
    MM> user-level setting, so it can be changed easily in the case
    MM> the default isnt' good :)

I think I'll leave it as is for now and see how it shakes out durning
beta testing.

-Barry



From jklassen at biblesociety.ca  Fri Mar 15 22:03:33 2002
From: jklassen at biblesociety.ca (Jeff Klassen)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:03:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python upgrade 'disables passwords'
Message-ID: <F63669284723D64795DC6E12F469EC9E06060E@LOSTSHEEP.biblesociety.ca>

Hi,

I am having some trouble today after upgrading my Python from 1.5.2 to 2.0.1

I am running Mailman 2.0. Today I compiled and installed Python 2.0.1 in
order to support some other software on this server. All of the Mailman
functions appear to work fine after the update, except for the site admin
and list admin passwords. Accessing any of the lists admin pages, and
inputting the expected password, returns an "Authentication Failed" message.

I was able to fix the site admin password with mmsitepass. Now I can get
into the admin pages as a site admin. But, even if I go into a list admin
page and enter a new password in the area for Changing the Administrator
password, I still cannot use that password to get into the admin pages.

Does anyone know what is going on here, or why the Python update would have
caused this password trouble? Is there an admin script that I can use to
also fix the list admin passwords, like mmsitepass did for the site admin?

Thanks for anyone's help. 

--
Jeff Klassen - jklassen at biblesociety.ca
Canadian Bible Society, Translation-CAP Office



From sammy1 at tampabay.rr.com  Fri Mar 15 22:04:41 2002
From: sammy1 at tampabay.rr.com (Sam Williams)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:04:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest having attachments per message
Message-ID: <01c501c1cc65$067049f0$0d02a8c0@staffleasing.com>

Hi folks, we just changed over from an old server to a new one.  A couple
users are telling me that they are receiving file attachments for each email
sent.  They are subscribed to receive the messages via the digest version.
The old server didn't do this.

Does anyone know if this is a setting in Mailman?  If so, where?  I can't
fins it in the Admin user interface, but you can imagine how annoying this
is.

Thanks

Sammy




From bkobler at myriad.com  Fri Mar 15 22:39:23 2002
From: bkobler at myriad.com (Bryan Kobler)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:39:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on iPlanet
Message-ID: <1DE2479A-385D-11D6-9BC6-0003931DAC30@myriad.com>

Hello,

I have successfully setup Mailman on Apache and Sendmail.  I am now 
trying to get it setup on iPlanet messaging server 5.1.  I haven't been 
able to find many resources on special settings in iPlanet I need to do 
for Mailman to work.  My attempts haven't resulted in a working setup.

My main problem is with the mail aliases, I can't get those setup to do 
their thing, adding them to the iPlanet aliases file doesn't work.

Any tips?  Thanks, Bryan.

--
Myriad Genetics
801-883-3216





From jklassen at biblesociety.ca  Fri Mar 15 22:36:27 2002
From: jklassen at biblesociety.ca (Jeff Klassen)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:36:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python upgrade 'disables passwords'
Message-ID: <F63669284723D64795DC6E12F469EC9E06060F@LOSTSHEEP.biblesociety.ca>

Further info:

When I create a new list using bin/newlist I get:

Warning: problem with getpass. Passwords may be echoed.

when I come to the point of entering the initial admin password.

I am not a python expert, so am not sure where to start with resolving this.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Klassen 
> Sent: March 15, 2002 4:04 PM
> To: 'mailman-users at python.org'
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python upgrade 'disables passwords'
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am having some trouble today after upgrading my Python from 
> 1.5.2 to 2.0.1
> 
> I am running Mailman 2.0. Today I compiled and installed 
> Python 2.0.1 in order to support some other software on this 
> server. All of the Mailman functions appear to work fine 
> after the update, except for the site admin and list admin 
> passwords. Accessing any of the lists admin pages, and 
> inputting the expected password, returns an "Authentication 
> Failed" message.
> 
> I was able to fix the site admin password with mmsitepass. 
> Now I can get into the admin pages as a site admin. But, even 
> if I go into a list admin page and enter a new password in 
> the area for Changing the Administrator password, I still 
> cannot use that password to get into the admin pages.
> 
> Does anyone know what is going on here, or why the Python 
> update would have caused this password trouble? Is there an 
> admin script that I can use to also fix the list admin 
> passwords, like mmsitepass did for the site admin?
> 
> Thanks for anyone's help. 
> 
> --
> Jeff Klassen - jklassen at biblesociety.ca
> Canadian Bible Society, Translation-CAP Office
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org 
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailma> n-users
> Mailman 
> FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 



From jarrell at vt.edu  Sat Mar 16 02:51:13 2002
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:51:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on iPlanet
In-Reply-To: <1DE2479A-385D-11D6-9BC6-0003931DAC30@myriad.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020315204517.00a16ec0@lennier.cc.vt.edu>

At 02:39 PM 3/15/02 -0700, Bryan Kobler wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I have successfully setup Mailman on Apache and Sendmail.  I am now trying 
>to get it setup on iPlanet messaging server 5.1.  I haven't been able to 
>find many resources on special settings in iPlanet I need to do for 
>Mailman to work.  My attempts haven't resulted in a working setup.
>
>My main problem is with the mail aliases, I can't get those setup to do 
>their thing, adding them to the iPlanet aliases file doesn't work.

Not sure it's *possible*...  We're just starting to test iplanet
5.2 with the idea of migrating from our sims 3.5 installation.
You need to set up aliases that feed a program channel virtual
address.  However, in 3.5 at least the program pipeline, while
a stock part of pmdf, appears to be crippled, and sun doesn't
support it, since sims didn't need it.

In theory, you'd set up local aliases like

foolist-request   foolist-request at pipe.your.iplanetdomain.com

and in your imta.cnf file specify config options for the program
channel that match the pipe domain.  You might need more than
one, depending on the args you need.   (Note this is based on memory
of 3.5, but it's largely the same pmdf core in 5.1 and 5.2)...





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Mar 16 03:00:05 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:00:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python upgrade 'disables passwords'
In-Reply-To: <F63669284723D64795DC6E12F469EC9E06060F@LOSTSHEEP.biblesociety.ca>
References: <F63669284723D64795DC6E12F469EC9E06060F@LOSTSHEEP.biblesociety.ca>
Message-ID: <200203160158.UAA15094@salsa.haht.com>

Upgrading Python is commendable (and necessary to take care of some cookie 
problems...). Afterwards you may need to re-install Mailman.  

I had similar warnings (and some deprecation warnings) after upgrading Python 
as some of my sites.  I simply re-installed Mailman right over the current 
install (after stopping cron and backing the whole thing up - of course!).  
it all worked great after that with no more warnings!

Jon Carnes

 --- Original Message: Friday 15 March 2002 04:36 pm ---
> Further info:
>
> When I create a new list using bin/newlist I get:
>
> Warning: problem with getpass. Passwords may be echoed.
>
> when I come to the point of entering the initial admin password.
>
> I am not a python expert, so am not sure where to start with resolving
> this.
>




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Mar 16 04:10:51 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:10:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] news_covered-house.net- multiple abuse
In-Reply-To: <00d601c1cc07$ef776060$0100a8c0@jody>
References: <00d601c1cc07$ef776060$0100a8c0@jody>
Message-ID: <200203160309.WAA16068@salsa.haht.com>

Dude - get a clue.

While you're doing that, have your mail manager (the guy running your iPlanet 
install) ban the domain(s) from access to your site.

While you're at it, have him add the RBL "patch" so that this happens 
automagically in the future.  If that mystifies him, then I would suggest a 
trip to google:
  http://www.google.com

Jon Carnes

 --- Original Message: Friday 15 March 2002 04:58 am ---
> PLEASE DO WHATEVER YOU CAN TO GET RID OF THIS MAIL NET AS IT'S CAUSING
> CONSIDERABLE HASSLE BY LOPPING HUNDREDS OF EMAILS! (News at covered-house.net)
> A mailing list is being irresponsibly operated by an imhosted.com domain
> name registrant. This list is sending unsolicited email to hundreds of
> recipients and the mechanism for unsubsrcibing is not functioning. Needless
> to say, there are quite a few irate recipients (myself included) who would
> like this e-mail abuse by one of your clients to stop.
>
> Here is the contact information for the offending domain name registrant:
>
>    Emil Gurov (COVERED-HOUSE-NET-DOM)
>    134 Rakovska Str, Sofia, SO 1505, Bulgaria, +35929817611 +35929817611
>    vency at inagency.com
>
> Your prompt assistance in this matter will be greatly appreciated by myself
> and hundreds of others who's email addresses have somehow ended up on this
> mailing list.
>
> Thank you,



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Mar 16 04:19:01 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:19:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Central address for handling requests?
In-Reply-To: <011b01c1cbda$3d372de0$a217a8c0@MrSlate>
References: <011b01c1cbda$3d372de0$a217a8c0@MrSlate>
Message-ID: <200203160317.WAA16192@salsa.haht.com>

Not a problem... Use procmail.  Setup your "listrequest" email address to 
parce the incoming mail based on the subject, and forward the request to each 
of the various "mylist-request" aliases.  Have the default fall through rule 
be an auto-response with a general help message about the use of your 
"listrequest" alias.

This setup allows list-request to still work for any list *and* allows you to 
send commands to one central address for any list requests.  Of course this 
is not an automated thing.  You'll have to set it up and maintain it.

If you are running on a Unix-type server, you probably already have procmail 
installed and running.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

 --- Original Message: Thursday 14 March 2002 11:31 pm ---
> Is there a way to setup Mailman for a single email address (eg.
> listrequest at host.com)?  My company used to run listproc, which has a single
> email address to handle all incoming subscription requests, which is very
> nice when the email interface needs to be as user-friendly as is possible.
> Is there a way to accomplish this in Mailman instead of having separate
> <list>-request at host.com addresses?
>
>
> Andrew Martin
> martin at trace.wisc.edu
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Mar 16 04:22:22 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:22:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] send personalized mail to all members of the list
In-Reply-To: <JHEKLBGMBHPFIBJOBIFDOENFCAAA.mihail.tsagidis@bay4you.de>
References: <JHEKLBGMBHPFIBJOBIFDOENFCAAA.mihail.tsagidis@bay4you.de>
Message-ID: <200203160320.WAA16255@salsa.haht.com>

EZMLM -or wait for the next release of Mailman.

 --- Original Message: Friday 15 March 2002 09:18 am ---
> Hello,
>
> I want to use the mailman list as a newsletter.
>
> How can I sent personalized Mail to the list. What we want to achieve is
> that within the mail appears the E-Mail Adresse of the recipient, like
> "Dear Subscriber. You have subscribed with E-Mail Address <E-Mail Address >
> to this list...."
>
> Can someone point me to the right direction?
>
> Thanks,
> Mihail Tsagidis



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Mar 16 04:30:36 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:30:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] max size list
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020315080230.00b0af00@perilpoint.com>
References: <4.2.0.58.20020315080230.00b0af00@perilpoint.com>
Message-ID: <200203160329.WAA16367@salsa.haht.com>

See the FAQ at the bottom of this message.

The answer though, is that it really depends on the hardware and the network 
that are running the Mailman install, plus the frequency of posts to the 
list.  My best guess on average server hardware that is less than 2 years 
old: 250,000 users.

For anything higer than that, your going to need really good hardware, and a 
fast reliable disk subsystem.  You'll also want to tweak your system to match 
the loads... see the archives and the FAQ for some really good advice based 
on practicle experience.

Jon Carnes
 --- Original Message: Friday 15 March 2002 09:05 am ---
> Hello,
>
> Can someone tell me what is the maximum size (number of subscribers) that
> the Mailman program can comfortably handle?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Cat Mannix
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Mar 16 05:25:17 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:25:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commands via email...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203151608230.1590-100000@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203151608230.1590-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200203160423.XAA17126@salsa.haht.com>

Yes webalyzer (and many other open source products) work well at a 
documenting and showing you web usage.  They are all designed to work 
primarily with Apache, but of course can be coerced into working for just 
about any webserver that records access in their logs.

Now, the email stat's would be interesting!  That would be fun to write up, 
especially a top 10 user category, showing actual number of posts and % of 
total posts.  Should be fairly easy to do.

I promised to do some documentation first for verson 2.1, but once I finish 
that up, I'll be happy to write up a stat's add on.

Jon Carnes.

 --- Original Message: Friday 15 March 2002 05:39 am ---
> Yes, I guess so. I'm a non-techie. Could webalyzer be linked up with
> Mailman?
>
> What about email stats? Number of messages sent? Activity levels? Average
> length of messages? Most number of postings -- from whom? Etc...
>
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > So all you really want *is* webalyzer.  You're just interested in Web
> > stats.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frederick Noronha" <fred at bytesforall.org>
> >
> > > Statistics like (i) who visited the site (ii) on which days of the week
> > > (iii) using which browser (iv) and which OS (v) maybe even which
> > > articles were most read... (vi) also how many readers are online at the
> > > moment...
> > >
> > > I was amazed to find that PHPnuke (or is it PostNuke) offers such
> > > interesting statistics in a very useful chart-format.
> > >
> > > FN
>



From chrish at apc.edu.ph  Sat Mar 16 05:58:13 2002
From: chrish at apc.edu.ph (Chris G Haravata)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:58:13 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Could not acquire qrunner lock
Message-ID: <AJEDKMGKCNNHONCEHBEGCEJBDOAA.chrish@apc.edu.ph>

Hey everybody,

What do I do if my ~mailman/logs/qrunner says this error:

Mar  16 12:49:23 2002 (5192) Could not acquire qrunner lock

What is this message?  I know that this is the reason why my lists can seem
to be sent for about 3 days now, and only when I browsed through the logs
that I found this message.  Can anyone help me please?

Much appreciated... thanks

-----------------------
Spawn - The Scourge of the Damned

Chris G Haravata
IT Resource Officer-Magallanes
Asia Pacific College (http://www.apc.edu.ph)
#3 Humabon Place, Magallanes Subd.,
Makati City
Tel No 8529232 loc 402
Cell No 0916.3500465
http://www.dynamicsms.com.au/intro.asp?ref=09163500465&refc=382



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From jwblist at olympus.net  Sat Mar 16 06:23:27 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:23:27 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commands via email...
In-Reply-To: <200203160423.XAA17126@salsa.haht.com>
References: 
 <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203151608230.1590-100000@localhost.localdomain>
 <200203160423.XAA17126@salsa.haht.com>
Message-ID: <p05101509b8b88693358d@[207.149.192.229]>

At 23:25 -0500 3/15/2002, Jon Carnes wrote:
>Now, the email stat's would be interesting!  That would be fun to write up,
>especially a top 10 user category, showing actual number of posts and % of
>total posts.  Should be fairly easy to do.

I suspect that list populations would vary in their acceptance of
publication of this stuff.  (Of course, it doesn't matter until the thing
is written.  ;-) ).

A list owner would be well advised to think about informed consent.

But it does sound like fun.

  --John

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Mar 16 07:17:18 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 01:17:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Could not acquire qrunner lock
In-Reply-To: <AJEDKMGKCNNHONCEHBEGCEJBDOAA.chrish@apc.edu.ph>
References: <AJEDKMGKCNNHONCEHBEGCEJBDOAA.chrish@apc.edu.ph>
Message-ID: <200203160615.BAA18743@salsa.haht.com>

Really it depends on the version of Mailman that you are running.  In 
general, if you are *NOT* running v2.08, then you should upgrade immediately.

For earlier versions, there were problems with some non-standard email 
formats.  You might look at the messages that are awaiting processing and 
move a few likely suspects (like some that came in 3 days ago - especially 
bounces).  Move them out of the queued up directory so that qrunner doesn't 
hit them anymore.

A strategy that works fairly well is to run qrunner by hand and use a tracing 
program to see what files it opens.

Jon Carnes

 --- Original Message: Friday 15 March 2002 11:58 pm ---
> Hey everybody,
>
> What do I do if my ~mailman/logs/qrunner says this error:
>
> Mar  16 12:49:23 2002 (5192) Could not acquire qrunner lock
>
> What is this message?  I know that this is the reason why my lists can seem
> to be sent for about 3 days now, and only when I browsed through the logs
> that I found this message.  Can anyone help me please?
>
> Much appreciated... thanks
>
> -----------------------
> Spawn - The Scourge of the Damned
>
> Chris G Haravata
> IT Resource Officer-Magallanes
> Asia Pacific College (http://www.apc.edu.ph)
> #3 Humabon Place, Magallanes Subd.,
> Makati City
> Tel No 8529232 loc 402
> Cell No 0916.3500465
> http://www.dynamicsms.com.au/intro.asp?ref=09163500465&refc=382
>
>
>
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From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com  Sat Mar 16 09:16:26 2002
From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganesh HariHaran)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:16:26 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Search Faclity for mail archive in mailman
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020315125351.0358aeb0@pop.ftel.co.uk>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020315125351.0358aeb0@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20020316.8162600@ganeshh.naturesoft.com>

Dear  Richard

Can you help me in how to do this, its very pressurising for me.
Thanks for it in advance.
Awaiting a mail.

Warm Regards
Ganeshh 


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 3/15/02, 6:24:58 PM, Richard Barrett <R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk> wrote 
regarding Re: Search Faclity for mail archive in mailman:


> At 12:34 15/03/2002 +0000, Ganesh HariHaran wrote:
> >Hello List
> >
> >How to configure search facility for mail archive in mailman.
> >
> >Please let me know more on this.
> >
> >Thanks and regards
> >Ganeshh

> The following patches integrate the htdig (http://www.htdig.org/) 
search
> engine with Mailman.

> 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_i
d=103&atid=300103

> 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_i
d=103&atid=300103

> Also see 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp


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From martin at schmitt.li  Sat Mar 16 13:19:59 2002
From: martin at schmitt.li (Martin Schmitt)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:19:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migration woes. Linux to Solaris.
Message-ID: <20020316131959.A30194@schmitt.li>

Hi everyone!

I've migrated a list server (fortunately running only one list) from Debian
Potato to Solaris 8. On Debian I've used the provided binary packages, on
Solaris I compiled everything on my own:

The two main differences between both installations are:

Mailman's CGI root (ScriptAlias) on Debian:
		http://www.domain.foo/cgi-bin/mailman

Mailman's CGI root (ScriptAlias) on my Solaris box:
		http://www.domain.foo/mailman
		(I find this somehow easier to grok for subscribers)


Mailman's /var dir on Debian: 
		/var/lib/mailman

Mailman's /var dir on my Solaris box:
		/var/mailman
		(I find this somehow easier to grok for MYSELF. ;-)

What I've done to move my list onto the new box is: Copy the respective
Directories from /var/lib/mailman to /var/mailman on the new box, e.g.
/var/mailman/lists/mylist. Same with archive files.

Having done this, I can see the list in the output of list_lists, and best
of all, it even shows up on http://www.domain.foo/mailman/listinfo.

Unfortunately, clicking onto the lists name on the listinfo page leads to a
404. Why? Because of the /cgi-bin/ part of the list management URL that's
buried in the list's configuration.

So I dump the list's configuration to a file and edit it:

# config_list -o /tmp/mylist.cfg mylist
# vi /tmp/mylist.cfg
# config_list -i /tmp/mylist.cfg mylist

And this is where trouble begins. config_list -i never finishes. Looking at
the output from truss, it seems to be running around in circles:

stat64("/var/mailman/locks/mylist.lock", 0xFFBEE878) = 0
open64("/var/mailman/locks/mylist.lock", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat64(3, 0xFFBEE800)                          = 0
llseek(3, 0, SEEK_CUR)                          = 0
llseek(3, 0, SEEK_CUR)                          = 0
fstat64(3, 0xFFBEE750)                          = 0
ioctl(3, TCGETA, 0xFFBEE6DC)                    Err#25 ENOTTY
read(3, " / v a r / m a i l m a n".., 8192)     = 40
read(3, 0x0027EC44, 8192)                       = 0
llseek(3, 0, SEEK_CUR)                          = 40
close(3)                                        = 0
stat64("/var/mailman/locks/mylist.lock", 0xFFBEE878) = 0
poll(0xFFBEE808, 0, 445)                        = 0
link("/var/mailman/locks/mylist.lock.myhost.29210", "/var/mailman/locks/mylist.lock"
) Err#17 EEXIST
stat64("/var/mailman/locks/mylist.lock", 0xFFBEE878) = 0
open64("/var/mailman/locks/mylist.lock", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat64(3, 0xFFBEE800)                          = 0
llseek(3, 0, SEEK_CUR)                          = 0
llseek(3, 0, SEEK_CUR)                          = 0
fstat64(3, 0xFFBEE750)                          = 0
ioctl(3, TCGETA, 0xFFBEE6DC)                    Err#25 ENOTTY
read(3, " / v a r / m a i l m a n".., 8192)     = 40
read(3, 0x0027ECEC, 8192)                       = 0
llseek(3, 0, SEEK_CUR)                          = 40
close(3)                                        = 0
stat64("/var/mailman/locks/mylist.lock", 0xFFBEE878) = 0
poll(0xFFBEE808, 0, 1931)       (sleeping...)
signotifywait()                 (sleeping...)
lwp_cond_wait(0xFF2755A0, 0xFF2755B0, 0xFF1D5BF0) (sleeping...)
door_return(0x00000000, 0, 0x00000000, 0) (sleeping...)
poll(0xFFBEE808, 0, 1931)                       = 0
link("/var/mailman/locks/mylist.lock.myhost.29210", "/var/mailman/locks/mylist.lock"
) Err#17 EEXIST
stat64("/var/mailman/locks/mylist.lock", 0xFFBEE878) = 0
open64("/var/mailman/locks/mylist.lock", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat64(3, 0xFFBEE800)                          = 0
llseek(3, 0, SEEK_CUR)                          = 0
llseek(3, 0, SEEK_CUR)                          = 0
fstat64(3, 0xFFBEE750)                          = 0
ioctl(3, TCGETA, 0xFFBEE6DC)                    Err#25 ENOTTY
read(3, " / v a r / m a i l m a n".., 8192)     = 40
read(3, 0x0027EC44, 8192)                       = 0
llseek(3, 0, SEEK_CUR)                          = 40
close(3)                                        = 0
stat64("/var/mailman/locks/mylist.lock", 0xFFBEE878) = 0
poll(0xFFBEE808, 0, 1664)       (sleeping...)
signotifywait()                 (sleeping...)
lwp_cond_wait(0xFF2755A0, 0xFF2755B0, 0xFF1D5BF0) (sleeping...)
door_return(0x00000000, 0, 0x00000000, 0) (sleeping...)
signotifywait()                                 = 20
lwp_sigredirect(0, SIGWINCH, 0x00000000)        = 0
signotifywait()                                 = 20
lwp_sigredirect(0, SIGWINCH, 0x00000000)        = 0
signotifywait()                                 = 20
lwp_sigredirect(0, SIGWINCH, 0x00000000)        = 0
poll(0xFFBEE808, 0, 1664)                       = 0
link("/var/mailman/locks/mylist.lock.myhost.29210", "/var/mailman/locks/mylist.lock") Err#17 EEXIST
stat64("/var/mailman/locks/mylist.lock", 0xFFBEE878) = 0
open64("/var/mailman/locks/mylist.lock", O_RDONLY) = 3

I've left this running for about one minute before giving up. 

Of course, before putting the Solaris box to operation, I've set up a list 
for testing, and everything worked fine.  

Any hints greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance,

-martin
-- 
"Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly. It just
happens to be selective about who it makes friends with."



From dscott at globalinfosystems.com  Sat Mar 16 23:21:21 2002
From: dscott at globalinfosystems.com (Dave Scott)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:21:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman move and upgrade
Message-ID: <003901c1cd38$e6d47330$0a0a0a0a@gimp>

Anyone know what I need to move to get all the listservs off one Debian
box onto another Debain box.
I will be going from Mailman 1.1 to Mailman 2.0.8
Also changing from Sendmail on the old box to Postfix on the new box.
Do I need to alter any config files, etc?

Thanks
-Dave

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From dscott at globalinfosystems.com  Sun Mar 17 00:05:01 2002
From: dscott at globalinfosystems.com (Dave Scott)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:05:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman move and upgrade
Message-ID: <004101c1cd3f$0104f3a0$0a0a0a0a@gimp>

Anyone know what I need to move to get all the listservs off one Debian
box on to another Debian box?

I will be going from Mailman 1.1 to Mailman 2.0.8

Also changing from Sendmail on the old box to Postfix on the new box.

Do I need to alter any config files, etc?

Thanks for any help.

-Dave




From barry at zope.com  Sun Mar 17 06:50:07 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 00:50:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1 beta 1
Message-ID: <15508.11919.910981.756175@anthem.wooz.org>

I've released Mailman 2.1 beta 1; see below for a list of changes
since version 2.1 alpha 4.  There have been tons of bug fixes, several
new languages, and lots of new features.  We're finally in feature
freeze for Mailman 2.1, although I reserve the right to classify an
essential missing feature as a bug <wink>.

I'd like to get 2.1 final out soon, and I think it's only fair that we
eat our own dogfood before offering it to others, so I'll soon be
transfering the mailman-* lists to the new version.  Please report all
bugs to SourceForge.  Discussions about version 2.1 are preferred on
mailman-developers.

I'd also like to announce the mailman-docs at python.org mailing, which
indeed is running under 2.1b1.  This list will help coordinate the
Mailman documentation effort, so if you'd like to contribute please
join that list.  This is a great way to help us out, even if you
aren't into hacking the code.

Enjoy,
-Barry

-------------------- snip snip --------------------
2.1 beta 1 (16-Mar-2002)

    In addition to the usual bug fixes, performance improvements, and
    GUI changes, here are the highlights:

    - MIME and other message handling
        o More robustness against badly MIME encapsulated messages: if
          a MessageParseError is raised during the initial parse, the
          message can either be discarded or saved in qfiles/bad,
          depending on the value of the new configuration variable
          QRUNNER_SAVE_BAD_MESSAGES.

        o There is a new per-user option that can be used to avoid
          receipt of extra copies, when a member of the list is also
          explicitly CC'd.

        o Always add an RFC 2822 Date: header if missing, since not
          all MTAs insert one automatically.

        o The Sender: and Errors-To: headers are no longer added to
          outgoing messages.

        o Headers and footers are always added by concatenation, if
          the message is not MIME and if the list's charset is a
          superset of us-ascii.

    - List administration
        o An `invitation' feature has been added.  This is selectable
          as a radio button on the mass subscribe page.  When
          selected, users are invited to join instead of immediately
          joined, i.e. they get a confirmation message.

        o You can now enable and disable list owner notifications for
          disabled-due-to-bouncing and removal-due-to-bouncing
          actions.  The site config variables
          DEFAULT_BOUNCE_NOTIFY_OWNER_ON_DISABLE and
          DEFAULT_BOUNCE_NOTIFY_OWNER_ON_REMOVAL control the default
          behavior.

        o List owners can now decide whether they receive unrecognized
          bounce messages or not (i.e. messages that the bounce
          processor doesn't recognize).  Site admins can set the
          default value for this flag with the config variable
          DEFAULT_BOUNCE_UNRECOGNIZED_GOES_TO_LIST_OWNER.

        o The admindb summary page gives the option of clearing the
          moderation flag of members who are on quarantined.

        o The action to take when a moderated member posts to a list
          is now configurable.  The message can either be held,
          rejected (bounced), or discarded.  If the message is
          rejected, a rejection notice string can be given.

        o In the General admin page, you can now set the default value
          for five per-user flags: concealing the user's email
          address, acknowledging posts sent by the user, copy
          suppression, not-me-too selection, and the default digest
          type.  Site admins can set the default bit field with the
          new DEFAULT_NEW_MEMBER_OPTIONS variable.

        o A new "Emergency brake" feature for turning on moderation of
          all list postings.  This is useful for when flamewars break
          out, and the list needs a cooling off period.  Messages
          containing an Approved: header with the list owner password
          are still allowed through, as are messages approved through
          the admindb interface.

        o When a moderated message is approved for the list, add an
          X-Mailman-Approved-At: header which contains the timestamp
          of the approval action (changed from X-Moderated: with a
          different format).

        o Lists can now be converted to using a less error prone
          mechanism for variable substitution syntax in headers and
          footers.  Instead of %(var)s strings, you'd use $var
          strings.  You must use "bin/withlist -r convert" to enable
          this.

        o When moderating held messages, the header text box and the
          message excerpt text box are now both read-only.

        o You can't delete the site list through the web.

        o When creating new lists through the web, you have the option
          of setting the "default member moderation" flag.

    - Security and privacy
        o New feature: banned subscription addresses.  Privacy
          options/subscription rules now have an additional list box
          which can contain addresses or regular expressions.
          Subscription requests from any matching address are
          automatically rejected.

        o Membership tests which compare message headers against list
          rosters are now more robust.  They now check, by default
          these header in order: From:, unixfrom, Reply-To:, Sender:.
          If any match, then the membership test succeeds.

        o ALLOW_SITE_ADMIN_COOKIES is a new configuration variable
          which says whether to allow AuthSiteAdmin cookies or not.
          Normally, when a list administrator logs into a list with
          the site password, they are issued a cookie that only allows
          them to do administration for this one list.  By setting
          ALLOW_SITE_ADMIN_COOKIES to 1, the user only needs to
          authenticate to one list with the site password, and they
          can administer any mailing list.

          I'm not sure this feature is wise, so the default value for
          ALLOW_SITE_ADMIN_COOKIES is 0.

        o Marc MERLIN's new recipes for secure Linuxes have been
          updated.

        o DEFAULT_PRIVATE_ROSTER now defaults to 1.

        o Passwords are no longer included in the confirmation pages.

    - Internationalization
        o With the approval of Tamito KAJIYAMA, the Japanese codes for
          Python are now included automatically, so you don't need to
          download and install these separate.  It is installed in a
          Mailman-specific place so it won't affect your larger Python
          installation.

        o The configure script will produce a warning if the Chinese
          codes are not installed.  This is not a fatal error.

        o Russian templates and catalogs have been added.

        o Finnish templates and catalogs have been added.

    - Scripts and utilities
        o New program bin/unshunt to safely move shunted messages back
          into the appropriate processing queue.

        o New program bin/inject for sending a plaintext message into
          the incoming queue from the command line.

        o New cron script cron/disabled for periodically culling the
          disabled membership.

        o bin/list_members has grown some new command line switches
          for filtering on different criteria (digest mode, disable
          mode, etc.)

        o bin/remove_members has grown the --fromall switch.

        o You can now do a bin/rmlist -a to remove an archive even
          after the list has been deleted.

        o bin/update removes the $prefix/Mailman/pythonlib directory.

        o bin/withlist grows a --all/-a flag so the --run/-r option
          can be applied to all the mailing lists.  Also, interactive
          mode is now the default if -r isn't used.  You don't need to
          run this script as "python -i bin/withlist" anymore.

        o There is a new script contrib/majordomo2mailman.pl which
          should ease the transition from Majordomo to Mailman.

    - MTA integration
        o Postfix integration has been made much more robust, but now
          you have to set POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD and POSTFIX_MAP_CMD to
          point to the postalias and postmap commands respectively.

        o VERP-ish delivery has been made much more efficient by
          eliminating extra disk copies of messages for each recipient
          of a VERP delivery.  It has also been made more robust in
          the face of failures during chunk delivery.  This required a
          rewrite of SMTPDirect.py and one casualty of that rewrite
          was the experimental threaded delivery.  It is no longer
          supported (but /might/ be resurrected if there's enough
          demand -- or a contributed patch :).

        o A new site config variable SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION
          specifies how many consecutive SMTP sessions will be
          conducted down the same socket connection.  Some MTAs have a
          limit on this.

        o Support for VERP-ing confirmation messages.  These are less
          error prone since the Subject: header doesn't need to be
          retained, and they allow a more user friendly (and i18n'd)
          Subject: header.  VERP_CONFIRM_FORMAT, VERP_CONFIRM_REGEXP,
          and VERP_CONFIRMATIONS control this feature (only supported
          for invitation confirmations currently, but will be expanded
          to the other confirmations).

        o Several new list-centric addresses have been added:
          -subscribe and -unsubscribe are synonyms for -join and
          -leave, respectively.  Also -confirm has been added to
          support VERP'd confirmations.

    - Archiver
        o There's now a default page for the Pipermail archive link
          for when no messages have yet been posted to the list.

        o Just the mere presence of an X-No-Archive: is enough to
          inhibit archiving for this message; the value of the header
          is now ignored.

    - Configuring, building, installing
        o Mailman now has a new favicon, donated by Terry Oda.  Not
          all web pages are linked to the favicon yet though.

        o The add-on email package is now distributed and installed
          automatically, so you don't need to do this.  It is
          installed in a Mailman-specific place so it won't affect
          your larger Python installation.

        o The default value of VERP_REGEXP has changed.

        o New site configuration variables BADQUEUE_DIR and
          QRUNNER_SAVE_BAD_MESSAGES which describe where to save
          messages which are not properly MIME encoded.

        o configure should be more POSIX-ly conformant.

        o The Mailman/pythonlib directory has been removed, but a new
          $prefix/pythonlib directory has been added.

        o Regression tests are now installed.

        o The second argument to add_virtual() calls in mm_cfg.py are
          now optional.

        o DEFAULT_FIRST_STRIP_REPLY_TO now defaults to 0.

        o Site administrators can edit the Mailman/Site.py file to
          customize some filesystem layout policies.



From vsadmin at visionscience.com  Fri Mar 15 18:32:16 2002
From: vsadmin at visionscience.com (VisionScience Administrator)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:32:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mm friendly ISP/web host?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020315084431.03842870@staffmail.imsa.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020315084431.03842870@staffmail.imsa.edu>
Message-ID: <p05100302b8b7dfcc9ea3@[143.232.72.120]>

>Hi all.  I am soon going to lose my broadband (moving to the 
>countryside), which means that the server in my office is going to 
>disappear.  I was wondering if you all could suggest an ISP or web 
>hosting company whose accounts allow you (both technically and as 
>part of the TOS) to install and run Mailman under a hosted domain. 
>Thanks much for any suggestions.
>
>--chris
>
>

Verio/NTT offer a Virtual Private Server account which provides 
mailman. My list was very easy to set up, and has worked flawlessly 
(so far).
-- 



From samesun at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 15 19:47:23 2002
From: samesun at yahoo.com (Amit)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:47:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to increase max # of email addresses/page with mailman
In-Reply-To: <004101c1cb9c$14ad1a30$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <20020315184723.75048.qmail@web9501.mail.yahoo.com>

ya, this fixes it. Thanks much.

Amit


--- Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com> wrote:
> Edit ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (see Defaults.py in
> the same directory for
> more information).
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Amit" <samesun at yahoo.com>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 1:32 PM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to increase max # of
> email addresses/page with
> mailman
> 
> 
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Q. How to increase max # of email addresses/page
> with
> > mailman.
> >
> > Thanks in Advance.
> > Amit
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage
> > http://sports.yahoo.com/
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> >
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ:
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 


__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage
http://sports.yahoo.com/



From w1zard at southwind.net  Sat Mar 16 10:11:38 2002
From: w1zard at southwind.net (Ron D. Howard, Jr.)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 03:11:38 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error
Message-ID: <3C930C4A.A31E5F18@southwind.net>

We had a guy setup mailman and he is gone right now.  I'm trying to get
the list back up.  We get the following error:

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post admins"
    (reason: 2)
    (expanded from: <admins at somehost.net>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 6, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to take
1?)
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2

It might be an easy fix but I don't know one thing about mailman.  Could
someone guide me on how to fix this error.

Our mail group is gid 6.  And daemon is gid 1.  We just recently updated
to FreeBSD 4.5.
Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
W1zard




From LCMLadmin at d-web.com  Sat Mar 16 17:49:35 2002
From: LCMLadmin at d-web.com (Gary Bjork)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:49:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest having attachments per message
In-Reply-To: <01c501c1cc65$067049f0$0d02a8c0@staffleasing.com>
References: <01c501c1cc65$067049f0$0d02a8c0@staffleasing.com>
Message-ID: <113874527.20020316084935@d-web.com>

Hello Sam,
March 15, 2002, 1:04:41 PM, you wrote:
SW> Hi folks, we just changed over from an old server to a new one.  A couple
SW> users are telling me that they are receiving file attachments for each email
SW> sent.  They are subscribed to receive the messages via the digest version.
SW> The old server didn't do this.

SW> Does anyone know if this is a setting in Mailman?  If so, where?  I can't
SW> fins it in the Admin user interface, but you can imagine how annoying this
SW> is.

SW> Thanks

SW> Sammy
 I beleive this is a user setting for receiving in MIME or plain text.
  When in Mime the digest is exploded into its individual posts, in
  plain text it's all stuck together

-- 
Cheers,
 Gary                            mailto:LCMLadmin at d-web.com





From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Mar 17 09:17:48 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 00:17:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search Faclity for mail archive in mailman 
In-Reply-To: Message from Ganesh HariHaran <ganeshh@lateralsoftware.com> 
   of "Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:34:42 GMT." <20020315.12344200@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> 
References: <20020315.12344200@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> 
Message-ID: <14030.1016353068@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:34:42 GMT 
Ganesh HariHaran <ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com> wrote:

> How to configure search facility for mail archive in mailman.

Please see the online FAQ.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Mar 17 09:19:41 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 00:19:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] max size list 
In-Reply-To: Message from Catherine Mannix <catmaxx@boldgold.com> 
   of "Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:05:16 CST." <4.2.0.58.20020315080230.00b0af00@perilpoint.com> 
References: <4.2.0.58.20020315080230.00b0af00@perilpoint.com> 
Message-ID: <14065.1016353181@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:05:16 -0600 
Catherine Mannix <catmaxx at boldgold.com> wrote:

> Can someone tell me what is the maximum size (number of subscribers)
> that the Mailman program can comfortably handle?

This is very dependent on a number of factors outside of Mailman, such
as local system resources, MTA configuration, etc.  However, a
reasonable figure would be well into the hundreds of thousands if using
Mailman 2.1 with an external data store (eg SQL).

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Mar 17 10:06:33 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 04:06:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error
In-Reply-To: <3C930C4A.A31E5F18@southwind.net>
References: <3C930C4A.A31E5F18@southwind.net>
Message-ID: <200203170905.EAA05904@salsa.haht.com>

Check out the FAQ.  Your mailman applications where installed to be run by 
the local MTA (sendmail, postfix, exim, whatever...), and the expected Group 
ID for the MTA is 6.  Whatever is acting as your MTA is running as Group ID 1

Look in /etc/group to see what Group name is associated with which GID #.

If your mail handling program is indeed running with GID of 1, then you can 
simply re-run the install of mailman (from source) with a simple config 
option.

Another fix would be to reconfigure your MTA to run as GID 6.  Be careful if 
you choose this option - you may need to adjust the group rights on a few 
files or end up with a broken MTA.

Jon Carnes

 --- Original Message: Saturday 16 March 2002 04:11 am ---
> We had a guy setup mailman and he is gone right now.  I'm trying to get
> the list back up.  We get the following error:
>
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post admins"
>     (reason: 2)
>     (expanded from: <admins at somehost.net>)
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 6, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to take
> 1?)
> 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2
>
> It might be an easy fix but I don't know one thing about mailman.  Could
> someone guide me on how to fix this error.
>
> Our mail group is gid 6.  And daemon is gid 1.  We just recently updated
> to FreeBSD 4.5.
> Any help would be much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> W1zard
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Mar 17 10:27:46 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 04:27:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-doc@python.org mailing list
Message-ID: <200203170926.EAA11568@salsa.haht.com>

To join the Mailman-doc at python.org mailing list, visit:
  http://mail.python.org/mailman-21/listinfo/mailman-docs

"This mailing list has a mission to produce good documentation for the GNU 
Mailman mailing list manager. Ideally, three documents will be produces: a 
member's manual, a list owner's manual, and a site owner's manual."




From daniel.haischt at daniel-s-haischt.biz  Sun Mar 17 13:59:41 2002
From: daniel.haischt at daniel-s-haischt.biz (Daniel S. Haischt)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:59:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation help (mailmanctl)
Message-ID: <KBEJKFJFJEMGJGGGIEPKAEEICBAA.daniel.haischt@daniel-s-haischt.biz>

hello,

i just installed mailman-2.1b1 and tried
to start the mailman qrunner via bin/mailmanctl.

i am getting the following error message.

-----------8<------------8<------------8<------------
p10072239:/usr/local/mailman # bin/mailmanctl start
Starting Mailman's master qrunner.
p10072239:/usr/local/mailman # Cannot import runner module
Mailman.Queue.ArchRunner
Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.CommandRunner
Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.IncomingRunner
Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.BounceRunner
Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.NewsRunner
Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.VirginRunner
Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.OutgoingRunner
----------->8------------>8------------>8------------

permissions ...

-----------8<------------8<------------8<------------
p10072239:/usr/local/mailman # ls -la /usr/local/
drwxrwsr-x   13 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 17 13:12 mailman

p10072239:/usr/local/mailman # ls -la /usr/local/mailman
total 56
drwxrwsr-x   13 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 17 13:12 .
drwxr-xr-x   20 root     root         4096 Mar 17 12:03 ..
-rw-------    1 mailman  mailman       316 Mar 17 12:55 .bash_history
drwxrwsr-x   10 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 17 12:53 Mailman
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 17 13:19 bin
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 17 12:25 cgi-bin
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 17 12:30 cron
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 17 12:25 icons
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 17 12:25 mail
drwxrwsr-x   12 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 17 12:25 messages
drwxrwsr-x    4 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 17 12:25 pythonlib
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 17 13:03 scripts
drwxrwsr-x   15 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 17 12:25 templates
drwxrwsr-x    4 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 17 12:25 tests

p10072239:/usr/local/mailman # ls -la /var
drwxrwsr-x    9 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 17 12:25 mailman

p10072239:/usr/local/mailman # ls -la /var/mailman/
total 36
drwxrwsr-x    9 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 17 12:25 .
drwxr-xr-x   27 root     root         4096 Mar 17 12:10 ..
drwxrwsr-x    4 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 17 12:25 archives
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 17 13:02 data
drwxrwsr-x    4 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 17 13:04 lists
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 17 13:56 locks
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 17 13:10 logs
drwxrwsr-x    4 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 17 13:50 qfiles
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 17 12:25 spam
----------->8------------>8------------>8------------

did i miss to set some permissions, or why is the
mailmanctl script not able to load any module if
i execute this script from /usr/local/mailman.

i tried to run the script as root and mailman.

With best regards/Mit freundlichen Gruessen

Daniel S. Haischt IT Consulting
______________________________
[revolutionary and alpha geek]

Daniel S. Haischt
Grabenstrasse 11
D-71083 Herrenberg
G E R M A N Y

FON:      +49 -7032-992909
          +49 -0700-DHAISCHT
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From mark at geekpimp.com  Sun Mar 17 14:30:26 2002
From: mark at geekpimp.com (Mark Johnson)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:30:26 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] install woes, please guide
Message-ID: <007001c1cdb7$e6266630$0b1fa8c0@johnson.lan>

hi i am strugling in getting mailman to work. i am running it on a slackware 8.0 system with exim 3.34.

the install seemed to go fine, there was a strange message when i setup the test list, something about "getpass may echo passwords" apart from that its all goo. i can see the list web pages fine etc.

but, when i try to send mails to the list i get the following:

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).

"A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  mark1 at port7.co.uk
    Child process of list_transport transport returned 2 from command:
    /home/mailman/mail/wrapper"

i have checked the FAQ several times and see no inspiration there. can someone point me in the right direction? i have had mailman working a few months back on another sytem and that was great.

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From mark at geekpimp.com  Sun Mar 17 14:30:39 2002
From: mark at geekpimp.com (Mark Johnson)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:30:39 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation help, pretty please
References: <KBEJKFJFJEMGJGGGIEPKAEEICBAA.daniel.haischt@daniel-s-haischt.biz>
Message-ID: <007101c1cdb7$edf06af0$0b1fa8c0@johnson.lan>

hi i am strugling in getting mailman to work. i am running it on a slackware
8.0 system with exim 3.34.

the install seemed to go fine, there was a strange message when i setup the
test list, something about "getpass may echo passwords" apart from that its
all goo. i can see the list web pages fine etc.

but, when i try to send mails to the list i get the following:

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).

"A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  mark1 at port7.co.uk
    Child process of list_transport transport returned 2 from command:
    /home/mailman/mail/wrapper"

i have checked the FAQ several times and see no inspiration there. can
someone point me in the right direction? i have had mailman working a few
months back on another sytem and that was great.

***************








From jwblist at olympus.net  Sun Mar 17 18:48:12 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:48:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation help, pretty please
In-Reply-To: <007101c1cdb7$edf06af0$0b1fa8c0@johnson.lan>
References: 
 <KBEJKFJFJEMGJGGGIEPKAEEICBAA.daniel.haischt@daniel-s-haischt.biz>
 <007101c1cdb7$edf06af0$0b1fa8c0@johnson.lan>
Message-ID: <p05101508b8ba85b67ad2@[207.149.192.229]>

At 13:30 +0000 3/17/2002, Mark Johnson wrote:
>the install seemed to go fine, there was a strange message when i setup the
>test list, something about "getpass may echo passwords" apart from that its
>all goo. i can see the list web pages fine etc.

Older Python version...which should not be a problem.  It's warning you
that, when bin/newlist prompts you for a password for the administrator of
the new list, the call to getpass() *might* show what you type.

This is a problem if
   1.  it actually does show what you typed (you already know whether it
did); and
   2.  you're in the habit of setting up mailing lists with bad guys
looking over your shoulder.

>This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).
>
>"A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
>recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
>
>  mark1 at port7.co.uk
>    Child process of list_transport transport returned 2 from command:
>    /home/mailman/mail/wrapper"

I'll defer the above to others who have encountered the problem.  It would
likely be helpful if you mentioned what mail transfer agent (MTA:
sendmail, Exim, Postfix, qmail, etc) you are using, and what Linux/Unix
version.

  --John
-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From jrhay at HayA.QC.CA  Sun Mar 17 19:49:04 2002
From: jrhay at HayA.QC.CA (James R. Hay)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:49:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web page in the /mailman/ directory
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0203171348500.2989-100000@hay.haya.qc.ca>

Hi folks,

Since the mailman directory is a scriptalias is it possible to have an
index page or script in that directory?

This would prevent the error message when accessing
"www.mydomain.com/mailman/" and would allow use of a page describing the
lists or whatever.

Maybe its just too much green beer today but I haven't gotten mailman and
apache to handle this yet.

Thanks in advance,
Jim.

James R. Hay				jrhay at haya.qc.ca
Hay-Net Networks
P.O. Box 46051
Pointe Claire, QC
H9R 5R4





From daniel.haischt at daniel-s-haischt.biz  Sun Mar 17 20:27:36 2002
From: daniel.haischt at daniel-s-haischt.biz (Daniel S. Haischt)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:27:36 +0100
Subject: AW: [Mailman-Users] web page in the /mailman/ directory
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0203171348500.2989-100000@hay.haya.qc.ca>
Message-ID: <KBEJKFJFJEMGJGGGIEPKCEEJCBAA.daniel.haischt@daniel-s-haischt.biz>

hiya,

the lines below are my apache setup which rewrites
every request to /mailman/ to /mailman/listinfo.

note: listinfo is a cgi script.

--------8<-------------8<-------------8<-------------
  RewriteEngine on
  RewriteLog /var/log/httpd/mod_rewrite.log
  RewriteLogLevel 2
  RewriteRule ^/mailman/$ /mailman/listinfo [PT]

  ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"
-------->8------------->8------------->8-------------

With best regards/Mit freundlichen Gruessen

Daniel S. Haischt IT Consulting
______________________________
[revolutionary and alpha geek]

Daniel S. Haischt
Grabenstrasse 11
D-71083 Herrenberg
G E R M A N Y

FON:      +49 -7032-992909
          +49 -0700-DHAISCHT
FAX:      +49 -7032-992910
CELLULAR: +49 -172-7668936

email:    mail at daniel-s-haischt.biz
web:      http://www.daniel-s-haischt.biz

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> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]Im Auftrag von James R. Hay
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. Marz 2002 19:49
> An: mailman-users at python.org
> Betreff: [Mailman-Users] web page in the /mailman/ directory
>
>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Since the mailman directory is a scriptalias is it possible to have an
> index page or script in that directory?
>
> This would prevent the error message when accessing
> "www.mydomain.com/mailman/" and would allow use of a page describing the
> lists or whatever.
>
> Maybe its just too much green beer today but I haven't gotten mailman
and
> apache to handle this yet.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Jim.
>
> James R. Hay				jrhay at haya.qc.ca
> Hay-Net Networks
> P.O. Box 46051
> Pointe Claire, QC
> H9R 5R4
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>
>
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From pvmailman at nekophile.com  Sun Mar 17 21:50:05 2002
From: pvmailman at nekophile.com (Phil Voris)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:50:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] two questions
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0203171246510.15016-100000@twiggy.nekophile.com>

Hi, I use v 2.08 and have a couple questions:

1] I get the following cron error all the time, but I don't know python 
and therefore cannot assess the problem.  What does it mean?


Subject: Cron <mailman at twiggy> /usr/bin/python -S
    /home/mailman/cron/senddigests

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 65, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 42, in main
    send_list_digest(mlist)
  File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 59, in send_list_digest
    mlist.Save()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 861, in Save
    self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 256, in
CheckHTMLArchiveDir
    makelink(privdir, pubdir)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 42, in makelink
    os.symlink(old, new)
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory


2] I use postfix and have added the extra aliases file to make things 
work.  However, I don't understand why this file needs to writeable by 
mailman. 

Thanks,
Phil




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Mar 18 02:33:57 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:33:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] install woes, please guide
In-Reply-To: <007001c1cdb7$e6266630$0b1fa8c0@johnson.lan>
References: <007001c1cdb7$e6266630$0b1fa8c0@johnson.lan>
Message-ID: <200203180132.UAA25318@salsa.haht.com>

Check out the FAQ, again.  Your mailman applications where installed to be 
run by the local MTA (sendmail, postfix, exim, whatever...), and the expected 
Group ID for the MTA is <some_number>.  Whatever is acting as your MTA is 
running as Group ID <some_other_number>

Look in /etc/group to see what Group name is associated with which GID #.

If your mail handling program is indeed running with GID of 
<some_other_number>, then you can simply re-run the install of mailman (from 
source) with a simple config option.

Another fix would be to reconfigure your MTA to run as GID <some_number>.  Be 
careful if you choose this option - you may need to adjust the group rights 
on a few files or end up with a broken MTA.

Jon Carnes

 --- Original Message: Sunday 17 March 2002 08:30 am ---
> hi i am strugling in getting mailman to work. i am running it on a
> slackware 8.0 system with exim 3.34.
>
> the install seemed to go fine, there was a strange message when i setup the
> test list, something about "getpass may echo passwords" apart from that its
> all goo. i can see the list web pages fine etc.
>
> but, when i try to send mails to the list i get the following:
>
> This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).
>
> "A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
> recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
>
>   mark1 at port7.co.uk
>     Child process of list_transport transport returned 2 from command:
>     /home/mailman/mail/wrapper"
>
> i have checked the FAQ several times and see no inspiration there. can
> someone point me in the right direction? i have had mailman working a few
> months back on another sytem and that was great.
>
> ***************



From lj at mandala-designs.com  Mon Mar 18 02:34:50 2002
From: lj at mandala-designs.com (Leonard Jacobs)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:34:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with postfix
Message-ID: <3C94FDEA.11230.B6E624@localhost>

Are there sample sets of main.cf and the other configuration files for setting 
up Mailman with Postfix?  

Thanks.


  ------------------
   
  Leonard Jacobs
  www.mandala-designs.com
  (508) 359-5753


---
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Mar 18 03:17:27 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:17:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] two questions
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0203171246510.15016-100000@twiggy.nekophile.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0203171246510.15016-100000@twiggy.nekophile.com>
Message-ID: <200203180215.VAA26254@salsa.haht.com>

1) looks like you are either missing the directory structure for archive:
  ~mailman/archives
                    ../private
                    ../public 
or the rights are such that Mailman cannot access them

2) If you want Mailman to add the routes when you run "newlist -o ..." then 
it needs write access to the file.  Otherwise, you can simply add the entries 
yourself everytime you add a new list.

Jon Carnes

 --- Original Message: Sunday 17 March 2002 03:50 pm ---
> Hi, I use v 2.08 and have a couple questions:
>
> 1] I get the following cron error all the time, but I don't know python
> and therefore cannot assess the problem.  What does it mean?
>
>
> Subject: Cron <mailman at twiggy> /usr/bin/python -S
>     /home/mailman/cron/senddigests
>
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 65, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 42, in main
>     send_list_digest(mlist)
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 59, in send_list_digest
>     mlist.Save()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 861, in Save
>     self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 256, in
> CheckHTMLArchiveDir
>     makelink(privdir, pubdir)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 42, in makelink
>     os.symlink(old, new)
> OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
>
>
> 2] I use postfix and have added the extra aliases file to make things
> work.  However, I don't understand why this file needs to writeable by
> mailman.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py



From qmail-admin at triangleinternet.biz  Mon Mar 18 04:04:01 2002
From: qmail-admin at triangleinternet.biz (Rick Root)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:04:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing Subscribers
Message-ID: <3C955921.D3CF446C@triangleinternet.biz>

NEWBIE ALERT.... I'm new to the list, and new to mailman..
I've just finished getting it all set up and working
with my qmail installation (thank you Dave Sill and your
book "The qmail Handbook"!).

Anyway... I have a mailing list of about 2500 people which
I just created, and I need to remove about 40 people
from the list.

I see the bulk subscribe in administration, but I see 
no easy way to unsubscribe people.  Yes, I know you can
uncheck the "subsc" box on the membership management, 
but that's a real pain when you're talking about removing
more than one or two people from a list of 2500.

Is there an easier way to handle bulk unsubscribes, from
a list maintainers point of view (ie, through the admin
interface).

Thanks!

 - Rick Root



From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Mar 18 08:28:11 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:28:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing Subscribers 
In-Reply-To: Message from Rick Root <qmail-admin@triangleinternet.biz> 
   of "Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:04:01 EST." <3C955921.D3CF446C@triangleinternet.biz> 
References: <3C955921.D3CF446C@triangleinternet.biz> 
Message-ID: <1490.1016436491@kanga.nu>

On Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:04:01 -0500 
Rick Root <qmail-admin at triangleinternet.biz> wrote:

> Is there an easier way to handle bulk unsubscribes, from a list
> maintainers point of view (ie, through the admin interface).

Put the addresses in a text file and then point ~/bin/remove_members at
it.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From daniel.haischt at daniel-s-haischt.biz  Mon Mar 18 10:05:01 2002
From: daniel.haischt at daniel-s-haischt.biz (Daniel S. Haischt)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:05:01 +0100
Subject: AW: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with postfix
In-Reply-To: <3C94FDEA.11230.B6E624@localhost>
Message-ID: <KBEJKFJFJEMGJGGGIEPKAEEKCBAA.daniel.haischt@daniel-s-haischt.biz>

there is a file called README.POSTFIX inside
the mailman 2.1 tarball which describes how to
setup postfix with mailman.

> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]Im Auftrag von Leonard Jacobs
> Gesendet: Montag, 18. Marz 2002 02:35
> An: mailman-users at python.org
> Betreff: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with postfix
> 
> 
> Are there sample sets of main.cf and the other configuration 
> files for setting 
> up Mailman with Postfix?  
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
>   ------------------
>    
>   Leonard Jacobs
>   www.mandala-designs.com
>   (508) 359-5753
> 
> 
> ---
> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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> 
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From Mike at StockCarFans.com  Mon Mar 18 12:01:49 2002
From: Mike at StockCarFans.com (StockCarFans,  Mike Irwin)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 06:01:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trying to load large(?) mailing list, it gets corrupted
Message-ID: <000501c1ce6c$4ee98080$7a8f840a@scfdesktop>

I am a brand new user of Mailman and Python, with primarily a IBM
mainframe and Windows background.

I am trying to load a 12,000 member mailing list using the mass add HTML
page.

Using iManager, I am looking at   / {HOME} / usr / local / mailman /
logs / error 

The following error appears.....

admin(23163): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.7 -----]
admin(23163): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(23163): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(23163):   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in
run_main
admin(23163):     main()
admin(23163):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 63,
in main
admin(23163):     FormatAdminOverview()
admin(23163):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line
199, in FormatAdminOverview
admin(23163):     l = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0)
admin(23163):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79,
in __init__
admin(23163):     self.Load()
admin(23163):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 903,
in Load
admin(23163):     raise Errors.MMCorruptListDatabaseError, e
admin(23163): MMCorruptListDatabaseError

Now I can tell the list is corrupt, but how would I be able to tell why
or how this is happening?

Any help very much appreciated!!!

Mike at StockCarFans.Com
http://StockCarFans.Com




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Mar 18 15:05:48 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:05:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trying to load large(?) mailing list, it gets corrupted
In-Reply-To: <000501c1ce6c$4ee98080$7a8f840a@scfdesktop>
References: <000501c1ce6c$4ee98080$7a8f840a@scfdesktop>
Message-ID: <200203181404.JAA07755@salsa.haht.com>

1) upgrade to Mailman v2.08 

2) use the command line inteface for multiple adds: ~mailman/bin/add_members 

Jon Carnes

 --- Original Message: Monday 18 March 2002 06:01 am ---
> I am a brand new user of Mailman and Python, with primarily a IBM
> mainframe and Windows background.
>
> I am trying to load a 12,000 member mailing list using the mass add HTML
> page.
>
> Using iManager, I am looking at   / {HOME} / usr / local / mailman /
> logs / error
>
> The following error appears.....
>
> admin(23163): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.7 -----]
> admin(23163): [----- Traceback ------]
> admin(23163): Traceback (most recent call last):
> admin(23163):   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in
> run_main
> admin(23163):     main()
> admin(23163):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 63,
> in main
> admin(23163):     FormatAdminOverview()
> admin(23163):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line
> 199, in FormatAdminOverview
> admin(23163):     l = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0)
> admin(23163):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79,
> in __init__
> admin(23163):     self.Load()
> admin(23163):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 903,
> in Load
> admin(23163):     raise Errors.MMCorruptListDatabaseError, e
> admin(23163): MMCorruptListDatabaseError
>
> Now I can tell the list is corrupt, but how would I be able to tell why
> or how this is happening?
>
> Any help very much appreciated!!!
>
> Mike at StockCarFans.Com
> http://StockCarFans.Com
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py



From thommen at inf.ethz.ch  Mon Mar 18 16:31:00 2002
From: thommen at inf.ethz.ch (Frank Thommen)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:31:00 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Webserver access problems (Permission denied on config.db)
Message-ID: <40611.129.132.10.25.1016465460.squirrel@minbar.inf.ethz.ch>

Hi,

I have problems with access permissions from the webserver to the mailman
list database:

admin(24095): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/home/mailman/MLM/lists/mytestlist_1/config.db'

The mailman directory is NFS shared (rw) to the webserver (apache 1.3.11,
Solaris 2.6.1).  The "newlist" script creates all files with ownership
mailman:mailman.  Most of them are world-readable, but not the config.db
file, which has permissions 660.  Therefore it is not readable by the httpd
(which runs as httpd:httpd) and the *whole* mailman-webinterface breakes.

Is there a solution to this problem which does *not* require to change
access permissions of all lists files manually after each "newlist"?

I am grateful for every hint.

    frank

----------
Frank Thommen, IT Support Group, D-INFK, ETH Zuerich
E-Mail: thommen at inf.ethz.ch; Tel: +41-1-63 27208 (Mo-Do)
Web: http://www.isg.inf.ethz.ch
----------





From valites at geneseo.edu  Mon Mar 18 17:22:52 2002
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:22:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing bounced users
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0203181112470.10166-100000@helios.geneseo.edu>

Old accounts were recently removed from our email server here, and so some
of our local lists have accrued quite a few numbers of members whose
addresses have bounced.  I'm looking for a way to remove
these members from a select list or two.

I noticed that if I dumpdb $listname/config.db, the users who are listed
on the membership management webpage all show up with "9" after their
address in the user_options section of the dump.  I also noticed that
some showed up in the bounce_info section.  The two listings appear to
match from the brief look I have taken.  I'm curious as to what the "9"
means in the user_options section, and what the info in the bounce
section means.  An entry from the bounce section looks like this:

'email_addr at someplace.com': [1014052393.23, 1.0, 5.0],

Is it possible a dumpdb of the config.db piped to some grep/awk/sed can
generate a list of members who have bounced?


>--))> >--))>
Mark T. Valites
Unix Systems Analyst
1 College Circle - 124b1 South Hall
SUNY Geneseo
Geneseo, NY 14454
585-245-5577
585-259-3471 (Cell)




From lj at mandala-designs.com  Mon Mar 18 18:11:25 2002
From: lj at mandala-designs.com (ljacobs )
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:11:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving Mailman lists to a new server
Message-ID: <200203181211.AA52168188@mandala-designs.com>

Apparently Barry Warsaw wrote a FAQ for this purpose to the Mailman-Developers list. Does anyone know the date of his posting? Or is there another source for the best practices to move a list & the related files to a new server?

Thanks. 




________________________________________________________________
Sent via the WebMail system at mandala-designs.com


 
                   



From dscott at globalinfosystems.com  Mon Mar 18 18:19:15 2002
From: dscott at globalinfosystems.com (Dave Scott)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:19:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving Mailman lists to a new server
In-Reply-To: <200203181211.AA52168188@mandala-designs.com>
Message-ID: <005501c1cea1$087f6df0$0a0a0a0a@gimp>

I just figured this out and it all worked good.


Basically you have to move the data in your 

/var/lib/mailman/lists/
/var/lib/mailman/archives/
/var/lib/mailman/data/

This is for Debain, change for proper path on your distro
Check paths with 

Locate mailman

This will show you the paths for installed mailman files.

Once you have it moved to the new location you must run

Check_perms -f

This will fix all permission issues, really handy.

Run Check_perms with no -f to make sure everything is kosher.

Now if you changed paths on any of the lists you moved you will need to
resync the lists 

Move_lists "name of list"

That will resync the list.

I didn't have to do anything else other than this, oh yeah, and I moved
data from Mailman 1.1 to Mailman 2.08 in the process and it worked
great.

Hope this helps.

-Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of ljacobs 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 9:11 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving Mailman lists to a new server

Apparently Barry Warsaw wrote a FAQ for this purpose to the
Mailman-Developers list. Does anyone know the date of his posting? Or is
there another source for the best practices to move a list & the related
files to a new server?

Thanks. 




________________________________________________________________
Sent via the WebMail system at mandala-designs.com


 
                   

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From alex at damngeek.com  Mon Mar 18 19:00:24 2002
From: alex at damngeek.com (Alex)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:00:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] replace text throughout archives
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0203181255450.8076-100000@damngeek.com>

What is the easiest way to replace words in the archives? I have to
replace a company name on someone's signature, so that his personal views
won't have any reflection on the company.

I only know of sed s/original/replacement/g file > newfile  that will do
such things... but i really need to know which files to do? as there are a
slew of html files in each monthes directory... but a single text file in
the lists main directory for each month...

also.. would any of the crons need to be forced to run early? would
anything else change? as i do not really want to destroy the archive..

any help would be appreciated.







From jonathan at dynamiclogic.com  Mon Mar 18 19:57:39 2002
From: jonathan at dynamiclogic.com (Jonathan B. Bayer)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:57:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list Return address help
Message-ID: <7218081810.20020318135739@dynamiclogic.com>

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Hello mailman-users,

I need to have a mailing list have a name in the From: field as well as
an address.  I'm running Mailman 2.0.8, and the messages which it
produces to a list have the format:

         From:   a at b.com

when I need it to have the following format:

         From:  "First Last" <a at b.com>

How can I make Mailman do this?  What do I look at to patch?


Thanks in advance.


JBB
___________________________________________
Jonathan B. Bayer, Director of Technology, RHCE
Dynamic Logic
The Experts in Marketing Effectiveness Research

Direct:(646) 742-4944
jonathan at dynamiclogic.com

3 Park Ave, Fl. 37
New York, NY 10016
Main:(212) 591-9177
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From e.howard at mra.org.uk  Mon Mar 18 12:40:12 2002
From: e.howard at mra.org.uk (E Howard)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:40:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admindb approvals by e-mail/virus check moderating/name records
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020318114634.01bc78c0@mail.mra.org.uk>

Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #1843 - 11 msgs

I sent the following to mailman-users at python.org but nobody commented   :-)

I am new to Mailman, which I like on the whole, having used Majordomo, and 
have been reading this mailing list (as a digest), which is really useful 
(but see 3) thank you.

1. I would like e-mail commands to do my admindb approvals. Is there any 
way? (not the user requests, I know about that).

2. In a moderated list posting, how can I tell if the messages (perhaps 
with an attachment or embedded content) is virus free? The only way I can 
think of is to have each message sent to my address for checking when it 
arrives at the mailing list server, which does not check for viruses.

3. Our private list members are people we know and converting from 
Majordomo to Mailman 2.0.8 I have to keep a separate record of the name and 
e-mail. Any workarounds to capture this info?

I am told version 2.1 is addressing this but I wonder how long will I have 
to wait for that?

Edward Howard 




From prlhkr at bellsouth.net  Mon Mar 18 22:14:47 2002
From: prlhkr at bellsouth.net (Clark E. Morgan)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:14:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GNU Mailman on an Ensim
Message-ID: <OBEOKNDKLFFCKMKHHBAMCEBKDKAA.prlhkr@bellsouth.net>

I've got a relatively new Ensim Webppliance machine via RackShack and have
been givng some thought to installing Mailman as I had on a RaQ from
another, heretofore to remain nameless, provider. I figure inside the
chrooted sites would be a great way to run it, removing the limitation on
duplicate listnames across different domains. But after solving a few minor
problems, I'm stuck on a big one, no compiler in the chrooted virtual sites.

Has anyone succesfully installed Mailman on one of these boxes? I found the
following lines in the existing httpd.conf:

# MailMan
# If you have Mailman, the mailing list manager package
# installed, uncomment these lines to enable mailman functionality.
#ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/share/mailman/cgi-bin/
#Alias /pipermail/ /usr/share/mailman/archives/public/

which suggests to me that someone at ensim has, preliminarily at least,
given this some thought. I could be way off base here, maybe it's just part
of RedHat's distribution.

At any rate, if anyone has any experience, sucessful, with this effort,
please advise. Thanks in advance.

Clark E. Morgan




From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Mar 18 23:29:33 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:29:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admindb approvals by e-mail/virus check moderating/name records 
In-Reply-To: Message from E Howard <e.howard@mra.org.uk> 
   of "Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:40:12 +0200." <5.1.0.14.0.20020318114634.01bc78c0@mail.mra.org.uk> 
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020318114634.01bc78c0@mail.mra.org.uk> 
Message-ID: <15794.1016490573@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:40:12 +0200 
E Howard <E> wrote:

> 1. I would like e-mail commands to do my admindb approvals. Is there
> any way? (not the user requests, I know about that).

Yes in 2.1.

> 2. In a moderated list posting, how can I tell if the messages
> (perhaps with an attachment or embedded content) is virus free? The
> only way I can think of is to have each message sent to my address for
> checking when it arrives at the mailing list server, which does not
> check for viruses.

Install a virus checker at the MTA level.

> 3. Our private list members are people we know and converting from
> Majordomo to Mailman 2.0.8 I have to keep a separate record of the
> name and e-mail. Any workarounds to capture this info?

2.1 (somewhat) supports tracking a GECOS field along with an email
address.

> I am told version 2.1 is addressing this but I wonder how long will I
> have to wait for that?

Currently in beta.  Release?  When its ready.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From TFarid at riedc.com  Tue Mar 19 00:12:35 2002
From: TFarid at riedc.com (Farid, Tarek)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:12:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
Message-ID: <805307277B0E8448AA8E6EF02C4DADD001197E@prexch01.riedc.com>

Hello,

 

I have installed mailman recently on a RH 7.2 linux server with postfix
as my mta. Created a test list. I can get to it fine with my web
browser, except for the public archives (pipermail)! This is my first
problem. 

 

My second and main problem is that when I post to the list I get the
following error:

 

Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 2:
    "/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test". Command output: Failure to
exec
    script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)
 

 

If anyone had seen this before, please let me know how to fix it. 

 

Thanks...

 

TF

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From peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu  Tue Mar 19 00:39:50 2002
From: peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu (Peter Bengtson)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:39:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounced messages
References: <E16lfJG-0007g1-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3C967AC4.B27CA3EB@musikelit.nu>

Looking through my 3 MB large log of bounced messages since October, I
see a lot of bounced messages, but they never seem to result in any
deactivated or removed subscriptions. (And yes, all lists are configured
correctly and operate as they should.) There is a lot of entries similar
to "0 more attempts allowed", but further messages do not trigger a
removal or deactivation.

Does the mechanism work? Is there any explanation available as to how it
works? How do the three parameters interact:

	- Minimum number of days and address has been non-fatally bad
	  before we take action

Non-fatally bad? In what way? What kind of action?

	- Minimum number of posts to the list since member's first
	  bounce before we consider removing them from the list

What does "consider removing them" mean in this case?

	- Maximum number of messages your list gets in an hour (Yes,
	  bounce detection finds this info useful)

_How_ does bounce detection find this info useful?

Grateful for any light anybody may shed on this rather murky area of
Mailman. So far, not a single subscriber has been deactivated
automatically. And we have large lists - one contains over 3000
subscribers, another has 400 subscribers with at least 30 messages a day.

	/ Peter Bengtson



From kcorbin at theiqgroup.com  Tue Mar 19 01:51:00 2002
From: kcorbin at theiqgroup.com (Kelly Corbin)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:51:00 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Hosting Question
Message-ID: <3C968B74.9010705@theiqgroup.com>

Me too.

> I'm having the exact same problem and also would appreciate any pointers.
> 
> Kirez Korgan wrote:
> 
>> I am having a problem with virtual hosting with mailman and sendmail.
>>
>> All outgoing messages from the mailman software have both an envelope-from
>> and a header-from, from the wrong domain!
>>
>> For example, if I send a subscribe request to list-l-request at good.com, the
>> response comes from list-l-request at bad.com.
>>
>> The text of the message is correct -- telling me to email my confirmation to
>> good.com, but it also says I can just hit reply --
>> which would, naturally, go to bad.com.
>>
>> I would like to do whatever is necessary to sendmail.cf so that subscribers
>> to lists at good.com need never know about bad.com.
>>
>> But also, users of bad.com need to continue to have their outgoing mail say
>> the right thing, without disturbance.
>>
>> I have a virtusertable, and that works just fine for incoming.  I read
>> somewhere that I could set up a genericstable, which I think I did, for
>> outgoing mail, but that doesn't seem to help.
>>
>> Is there a simple webpage where I could obtain some useful help with this?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Kirez
>>
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>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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From prlhkr at bellsouth.net  Tue Mar 19 01:57:12 2002
From: prlhkr at bellsouth.net (Clark E. Morgan)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:57:12 -0500
Subject: Attn: Brian Teal RE: [Mailman-Users] GNU Mailman on an Ensim
In-Reply-To: <005e01c1ced0$7ec23220$0200a8c0@ddr>
Message-ID: <OBEOKNDKLFFCKMKHHBAMOEBODKAA.prlhkr@bellsouth.net>

Brian,

Yes, even a glimmer of hope is good. I was hoping not to run it from root;
but there it is.if your installing fiend doesn't mind; could you forward
some contact info. Perhaps he/she could be of some help. Thanks.

Clark E. Morgan

> From: Brian Teal [mailto:brian at pro-phile.com]
>
> I have done it, running them right now, but can't be of any help to you
> other than saying it works. I run mine from the root directories and not
> form a domain if that helps any. I had someone install it for me, so other
> than that I have no idea!
> Hope that gives you some hope!




From r2d2 at yebo.co.za  Tue Mar 19 09:41:05 2002
From: r2d2 at yebo.co.za (JvdW)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:41:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
Message-ID: <E16nF9Q-00061F-00@mail.python.org>

Hi

I've just installed mailman and using sendmail as the mta. I created a 
testlist called testlist at mylist.domain.com(mylist.domain.com is what sendmail 
is set up with as the default domain) which works fine as well as 
list2 at lists.anotherdomain.com. As needed I added the lists.anotherdomain.com 
to the sendmail.cw file so that sendmail knows it has to listen for for that 
domain. All works well, but the problem I'm having is the reply to address. 
When I set the list up so that the reply to address is the same as the list 
name, the address I get is list2 at hostname.domain.com. If I use explicit 
address and put the list2 at lists.anotherdomain.com in, it still shows 
lists2 at hostname.domain.com, but if I put anything else in there like 
johndoe at domain.com, the reply to address is exactly that. Hope this makes 
sense... :)

Any idea how I can fix this? I know that if you have the same listname at 
different domains, then you have to set up another mailman server for it, but 
this is different list names at different domains.

Any help would be appreciated.

Regards
JvdW



From thommen at inf.ethz.ch  Tue Mar 19 10:38:35 2002
From: thommen at inf.ethz.ch (Frank Thommen)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:38:35 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
In-Reply-To: <805307277B0E8448AA8E6EF02C4DADD001197E@prexch01.riedc.com>
References: <805307277B0E8448AA8E6EF02C4DADD001197E@prexch01.riedc.com>
Message-ID: <42916.129.132.10.25.1016530715.squirrel@minbar.inf.ethz.ch>

Hi,

> Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 2:
>    "/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test". Command output: Failure to
> exec
>    script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)


You probaly run into the following error described in the 'README.INSTALL'
of Mailman:

Problem:  I send mail to the list, and get back mail saying,
          "unknown mailer error".

Solution: The likely problem is that you are using the wrong GID or
          UID for mail.  Check your syslog.  If you see, for
          example, a line like:

          Attempt to exec script with invalid gid 51, expected 99

          You need to reinstall Mailman, and specify $MAIL_GID to
          be 51, as described in the installation
          instructions. see notes on Postfix below, as by default
          it will create these problems on installation.


frank

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From ral at codewan.com.ph  Tue Mar 19 12:18:23 2002
From: ral at codewan.com.ph (lito a. lampitoc)
Date: 19 Mar 2002 19:18:23 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrong gid
Message-ID: <1016536706.1640.94.camel@stn110>

Hi,
I have two questions:

1. when confirming I received this error message. What should i do?

----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/export/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
    (reason: 2)
    (expanded from: <test-request at xyz.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 2001.  (Reconfigure to
take 2001?)
554 5.3.0 "|/export/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown
mailer error 2

2. my mailman is running on another machine named lists.xyz.com running
its own copy of http, aside from my real http server. How will I
configure all mailman transactions to point to lists.xyz.com and not to
xyz.com, as you can see the above email address is xyz.com and not
lists.xyz.com., even the senders address is xyz.com.

Thanks for the help.
-- 
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From thommen at inf.ethz.ch  Tue Mar 19 13:38:41 2002
From: thommen at inf.ethz.ch (Frank Thommen)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:38:41 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrong gid
In-Reply-To: <1016536706.1640.94.camel@stn110>
References: <1016536706.1640.94.camel@stn110>
Message-ID: <43456.129.132.10.25.1016541521.squirrel@minbar.inf.ethz.ch>

Hi Lito,

> 1. when confirming I received this error message. What should i do?
>
> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/export/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
>    (reason: 2)
>    (expanded from: <test-request at xyz.com>)
>
>   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 2001.  (Reconfigure to
> take 2001?)
> 554 5.3.0 "|/export/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown
> mailer error 2

>From Mailmans README.INSTALL:

Problem:  I send mail to the list, and get back mail saying,
          "unknown mailer error".

Solution: The likely problem is that you are using the wrong GID or
          UID for mail.  Check your syslog.  If you see, for
          example, a line like:

          Attempt to exec script with invalid gid 51, expected 99

          You need to reinstall Mailman, and specify $MAIL_GID to
          be 51, as described in the installation
          instructions. see notes on Postfix below, as by default
          it will create these problems on installation.

----

> 2. my mailman is running on another machine named lists.xyz.com running
> its own copy of http, aside from my real http server. How will I
> configure all mailman transactions to point to lists.xyz.com and not to
> xyz.com, as you can see the above email address is xyz.com and not
> lists.xyz.com., even the senders address is xyz.com.

This should be mainly a question of configuring your MTA.  There's currently
a discussion about virtual domains in this mailing list, which might help
you.

frank

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From mitchell at walrus.uchicago.edu  Tue Mar 19 15:21:43 2002
From: mitchell at walrus.uchicago.edu (Mitchell Marks)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:21:43 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Requesting repost of sendmail advice (Mailman related)
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020319080524.045b8dd0@pop.cs.uchicago.edu>

(I apologize for asking here what is mostly a sendmail question ... but it 
has come up on this list as part of advice about Mailman throughput.)

Would someone please repeat the suggestion that has been posted here not 
too long ago about setting sendmail to be a little more lenient about 
allowing addresses where the domain does not resolve under DNS, but without 
creating an open relay.

(As i'm still rather tentative about mucking with sendmail, I'd appreciate 
being told explicitly whether this is something to put in the sendmail.mc, 
or directly in the sendmail.cf, or in one of the external files.  (I do 
know how to build the cf from the mc.)   This is in Sendmail 8.9.1a.)

Thanks,

Mitch Marks


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From jonas at freesources.org  Tue Mar 19 15:40:44 2002
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:40:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
In-Reply-To: <805307277B0E8448AA8E6EF02C4DADD001197E@prexch01.riedc.com>
References: <805307277B0E8448AA8E6EF02C4DADD001197E@prexch01.riedc.com>
Message-ID: <20020319144044.GB1423@jonas.server0.de>

On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 06:12:35PM -0500, Farid, Tarek wrote:
> I have installed mailman recently on a RH 7.2 linux server with postfix
> as my mta. Created a test list. I can get to it fine with my web
> browser, except for the public archives (pipermail)! This is my first
> problem. 

Did you add the Alias to you webbrowsers config?
>From INSTALL:
- Configure your web server to point to the Pipermail public
  mailing list archives:

  For example, in Apache:

  Alias /pipermail/ $varprefix/archives/public/

  where $varprefix is usually $prefix unless you've used the
  --with-var-prefix option to configure.

> My second and main problem is that when I post to the list I get the
> following error:
> 
> Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 2:
>     "/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test". Command output: Failure to
> exec
>     script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)

I've allready seen this error, but it's was months ago.
Check this:
- Is /var/mailman/ and every files/dirs in it owned by mailman.mailman?
  If not, make a 'chown -R mailman.mailman /var/mailman' (as root)
- Is /var/mailman/ set gid? If not make a 'chmod g+w mailman.mailman'
- Are the cronjobs in user mailman's crontab? If not, 'su mailman' and
  'cd ~/cron' and 'crontab crontab.in'
- Is wrapper linked to /mta-exec-dir/? If not make as root 'cd
  /mta-exec-dir' and 'ln -s /var/mailman/mail/wrapper wrapper'

And if it was one of the problems above, read docs next time.

Bye
 Jonas


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From jonc at haht.com  Tue Mar 19 15:50:33 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:50:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
References: <E16nF9Q-00061F-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <01af01c1cf55$6bfbabf0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Web-admin interface, General options page, "Host name this list prefers"
(near the bottom of the web page).
Put in "lists.anotherdomain.com" (to use your info from message below).

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "JvdW" <r2d2 at yebo.co.za>
To: "Mailman - Mailinglist" <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 3:41 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains


> Hi
>
> I've just installed mailman and using sendmail as the mta. I created a
> testlist called testlist at mylist.domain.com(mylist.domain.com is what
sendmail
> is set up with as the default domain) which works fine as well as
> list2 at lists.anotherdomain.com. As needed I added the
lists.anotherdomain.com
> to the sendmail.cw file so that sendmail knows it has to listen for for
that
> domain. All works well, but the problem I'm having is the reply to
address.
> When I set the list up so that the reply to address is the same as the
list
> name, the address I get is list2 at hostname.domain.com. If I use explicit
> address and put the list2 at lists.anotherdomain.com in, it still shows
> lists2 at hostname.domain.com, but if I put anything else in there like
> johndoe at domain.com, the reply to address is exactly that. Hope this makes
> sense... :)
>
> Any idea how I can fix this? I know that if you have the same listname at
> different domains, then you have to set up another mailman server for it,
but
> this is different list names at different domains.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Regards
> JvdW
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Tue Mar 19 15:53:49 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 19 Mar 2002 15:53:49 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
In-Reply-To: "Farid, Tarek"'s message of "Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:12:35 -0500"
References: <805307277B0E8448AA8E6EF02C4DADD001197E@prexch01.riedc.com>
Message-ID: <m3y9gohama.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

"Farid, Tarek" <TFarid at riedc.com> writes:

> I have installed mailman recently on a RH 7.2 linux server with postfix
> as my mta. Created a test list. I can get to it fine with my web
> browser, except for the public archives (pipermail)! This is my first
> problem. 

No message, no archive. The archive is working after the first archived
message.

> My second and main problem is that when I post to the list I get the
> following error:
> 
> Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 2:
>     "/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test". Command output: Failure to
> exec
>     script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)

Read the file INSTALL and reconfigure your mailman with the right
gid. Use the option --with-mail-gid=XX. Take a look at /etc/group to
find the right gid.


 Mit freundlichen Gr??en
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From r2d2 at yebo.co.za  Tue Mar 19 16:00:09 2002
From: r2d2 at yebo.co.za (JvdW)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:00:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
In-Reply-To: <01af01c1cf55$6bfbabf0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <E16nF9Q-00061F-00@mail.python.org> <01af01c1cf55$6bfbabf0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <E16nL4u-00072m-00@mail.python.org>

I do have the domain in "Host name this list prefers". Could this be a 
sendmail issue?

l8r
Jvdw

On Tuesday 19 March 2002 16:50, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Web-admin interface, General options page, "Host name this list prefers"
> (near the bottom of the web page).
> Put in "lists.anotherdomain.com" (to use your info from message below).
>
> Jon Carnes
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JvdW" <r2d2 at yebo.co.za>
> To: "Mailman - Mailinglist" <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 3:41 AM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
>
> > Hi
> >
> > I've just installed mailman and using sendmail as the mta. I created a
> > testlist called testlist at mylist.domain.com(mylist.domain.com is what
>
> sendmail
>
> > is set up with as the default domain) which works fine as well as
> > list2 at lists.anotherdomain.com. As needed I added the
>
> lists.anotherdomain.com
>
> > to the sendmail.cw file so that sendmail knows it has to listen for for
>
> that
>
> > domain. All works well, but the problem I'm having is the reply to
>
> address.
>
> > When I set the list up so that the reply to address is the same as the
>
> list
>
> > name, the address I get is list2 at hostname.domain.com. If I use explicit
> > address and put the list2 at lists.anotherdomain.com in, it still shows
> > lists2 at hostname.domain.com, but if I put anything else in there like
> > johndoe at domain.com, the reply to address is exactly that. Hope this makes
> > sense... :)
> >
> > Any idea how I can fix this? I know that if you have the same listname at
> > different domains, then you have to set up another mailman server for it,
>
> but
>
> > this is different list names at different domains.
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated.
> >
> > Regards
> > JvdW
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py



From kcorbin at theiqgroup.com  Tue Mar 19 16:36:40 2002
From: kcorbin at theiqgroup.com (Kelly Corbin)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:36:40 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
References: <E16nF9Q-00061F-00@mail.python.org> <01af01c1cf55$6bfbabf0$0b04010a@JCARNES> <E16nL4u-00072m-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3C975B08.50507@theiqgroup.com>

It appears to be a Sendmail question.  I have the same problem, as well 
as many other people on this list.  If someone has a simple answer, it 
should go in the FAQ.  I did a lot of looking yesterday, but never found 
an answer.  Surely _someone_ has figured this out...

JvdW wrote:

> I do have the domain in "Host name this list prefers". Could this be a 
> sendmail issue?
> 
> l8r
> Jvdw
> 
> On Tuesday 19 March 2002 16:50, Jon Carnes wrote:
> 
>>Web-admin interface, General options page, "Host name this list prefers"
>>(near the bottom of the web page).
>>Put in "lists.anotherdomain.com" (to use your info from message below).
>>
>>Jon Carnes
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "JvdW" <r2d2 at yebo.co.za>
>>To: "Mailman - Mailinglist" <mailman-users at python.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 3:41 AM
>>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
>>
>>
>>>Hi
>>>
>>>I've just installed mailman and using sendmail as the mta. I created a
>>>testlist called testlist at mylist.domain.com(mylist.domain.com is what
>>>
>>sendmail
>>
>>
>>>is set up with as the default domain) which works fine as well as
>>>list2 at lists.anotherdomain.com. As needed I added the
>>>
>>lists.anotherdomain.com
>>
>>
>>>to the sendmail.cw file so that sendmail knows it has to listen for for
>>>
>>that
>>
>>
>>>domain. All works well, but the problem I'm having is the reply to
>>>
>>address.
>>
>>
>>>When I set the list up so that the reply to address is the same as the
>>>
>>list
>>
>>
>>>name, the address I get is list2 at hostname.domain.com. If I use explicit
>>>address and put the list2 at lists.anotherdomain.com in, it still shows
>>>lists2 at hostname.domain.com, but if I put anything else in there like
>>>johndoe at domain.com, the reply to address is exactly that. Hope this makes
>>>sense... :)
>>>
>>>Any idea how I can fix this? I know that if you have the same listname at
>>>different domains, then you have to set up another mailman server for it,
>>>
>>but
>>
>>
>>>this is different list names at different domains.
>>>
>>>Any help would be appreciated.
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>JvdW
>>>
>>>------------------------------------------------------
>>>Mailman-Users mailing list
>>>Mailman-Users at python.org
>>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>>>
>>------------------------------------------------------
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>>Mailman-Users at python.org
>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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>>
> 
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> 
> 
> 


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From ari at bear.com  Tue Mar 19 16:47:12 2002
From: ari at bear.com (Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange))
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:47:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
Message-ID: <7D6B2870025DD511B03900A0C9E8ACAB05F911F6@whmsx5.is.bear.com>

It depends on how the virtual host name is defined.  If it is a CNAME
pointing to the actual host name then sendmail, and many other MTAs, will
change the name to the actual host name in the envelope (and sometimes in
the header) From address.  If it is defined with an A record pointing to the
same IP address as the other host name (or a virtual IP address of its own)
then sendmail shouldn't be changing the From address.

Ari

-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly Corbin [mailto:kcorbin at theiqgroup.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:37 AM
To: JvdW; mailman-users
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains


It appears to be a Sendmail question.  I have the same problem, as well 
as many other people on this list.  If someone has a simple answer, it 
should go in the FAQ.  I did a lot of looking yesterday, but never found 
an answer.  Surely _someone_ has figured this out...

JvdW wrote:

> I do have the domain in "Host name this list prefers". Could this be a 
> sendmail issue?
> 
> l8r
> Jvdw
> 
> On Tuesday 19 March 2002 16:50, Jon Carnes wrote:
> 
>>Web-admin interface, General options page, "Host name this list prefers"
>>(near the bottom of the web page).
>>Put in "lists.anotherdomain.com" (to use your info from message below).
>>
>>Jon Carnes
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "JvdW" <r2d2 at yebo.co.za>
>>To: "Mailman - Mailinglist" <mailman-users at python.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 3:41 AM
>>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
>>
>>
>>>Hi
>>>
>>>I've just installed mailman and using sendmail as the mta. I created a
>>>testlist called testlist at mylist.domain.com(mylist.domain.com is what
>>>
>>sendmail
>>
>>
>>>is set up with as the default domain) which works fine as well as
>>>list2 at lists.anotherdomain.com. As needed I added the
>>>
>>lists.anotherdomain.com
>>
>>
>>>to the sendmail.cw file so that sendmail knows it has to listen for for
>>>
>>that
>>
>>
>>>domain. All works well, but the problem I'm having is the reply to
>>>
>>address.
>>
>>
>>>When I set the list up so that the reply to address is the same as the
>>>
>>list
>>
>>
>>>name, the address I get is list2 at hostname.domain.com. If I use explicit
>>>address and put the list2 at lists.anotherdomain.com in, it still shows
>>>lists2 at hostname.domain.com, but if I put anything else in there like
>>>johndoe at domain.com, the reply to address is exactly that. Hope this makes
>>>sense... :)
>>>
>>>Any idea how I can fix this? I know that if you have the same listname at
>>>different domains, then you have to set up another mailman server for it,
>>>
>>but
>>
>>
>>>this is different list names at different domains.
>>>
>>>Any help would be appreciated.
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>JvdW
>>>
>>>------------------------------------------------------
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>>>Mailman-Users at python.org
>>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>>>
>>------------------------------------------------------
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>>Mailman-Users at python.org
>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>>
> 
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From jonas at freesources.org  Tue Mar 19 16:56:50 2002
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:56:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Troubles upgrading 2.0.8->2.1b1
Message-ID: <20020319155650.GA10595@jonas.server0.de>

Hello,
I tried to upgrade from 2.0.8 to 2.1b1, but I got troubles at make install.
./configure --with-mail-gid=25 --with-cgi-gid=www-data --prefix=/home/mailman
Allready reported a warning:
checking for Python Chinese Unicode codecs... not found
configure: warning:

***** Python Unicode codecs for Chinese not found.
***** Chinese emails generated by or manipulated in Mailman will not
***** be sent in the correct encoding and may be unreadable.
***** Please uncompress and install the Chinese codecs from:
***** http://sourceforge.net/projects/python-codecs/
*****
***** Note: Everything else will work just fine.

But I don't planned to send mails with chinese codecs so I didn't care.

but make install reported an error:
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/update", line 46, in ?
    from Mailman import Utils
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 34, in ?
    import email.Iterators
ImportError: No module named email.Iterators
make: *** [update] Error 1

Does anybody know how to fix?
I only made 'chmod a+rx,g+ws /home/mailman' and then configure and
'make install'. mailman 2.0.8 ran fine, so the problem couldn't be
there.

Bye
 Jonas
 
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From kcorbin at theiqgroup.com  Tue Mar 19 17:30:52 2002
From: kcorbin at theiqgroup.com (Kelly Corbin)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:30:52 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
References: <7D6B2870025DD511B03900A0C9E8ACAB05F911F6@whmsx5.is.bear.com>
Message-ID: <3C9767BC.8010604@theiqgroup.com>

Changing it to an 'A' record from a 'CNAME' did it.  That was an 
unbelievably easy fix considering I wasted a lot of time yesterday. 
This should be added to the FAQ.

Thanks!

Kelly

Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange) wrote:

> It depends on how the virtual host name is defined.  If it is a CNAME
> pointing to the actual host name then sendmail, and many other MTAs, will
> change the name to the actual host name in the envelope (and sometimes in
> the header) From address.  If it is defined with an A record pointing to the
> same IP address as the other host name (or a virtual IP address of its own)
> then sendmail shouldn't be changing the From address.
> 
> Ari
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kelly Corbin [mailto:kcorbin at theiqgroup.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:37 AM
> To: JvdW; mailman-users
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
> 
> 
> It appears to be a Sendmail question.  I have the same problem, as well 
> as many other people on this list.  If someone has a simple answer, it 
> should go in the FAQ.  I did a lot of looking yesterday, but never found 
> an answer.  Surely _someone_ has figured this out...
> 
> JvdW wrote:
> 
> 
>>I do have the domain in "Host name this list prefers". Could this be a 
>>sendmail issue?
>>
>>l8r
>>Jvdw
>>
>>On Tuesday 19 March 2002 16:50, Jon Carnes wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Web-admin interface, General options page, "Host name this list prefers"
>>>(near the bottom of the web page).
>>>Put in "lists.anotherdomain.com" (to use your info from message below).
>>>
>>>Jon Carnes
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "JvdW" <r2d2 at yebo.co.za>
>>>To: "Mailman - Mailinglist" <mailman-users at python.org>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 3:41 AM
>>>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi
>>>>
>>>>I've just installed mailman and using sendmail as the mta. I created a
>>>>testlist called testlist at mylist.domain.com(mylist.domain.com is what
>>>>
>>>>
>>>sendmail
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>is set up with as the default domain) which works fine as well as
>>>>list2 at lists.anotherdomain.com. As needed I added the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>lists.anotherdomain.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>to the sendmail.cw file so that sendmail knows it has to listen for for
>>>>
>>>>
>>>that
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>domain. All works well, but the problem I'm having is the reply to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>address.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>When I set the list up so that the reply to address is the same as the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>list
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>name, the address I get is list2 at hostname.domain.com. If I use explicit
>>>>address and put the list2 at lists.anotherdomain.com in, it still shows
>>>>lists2 at hostname.domain.com, but if I put anything else in there like
>>>>johndoe at domain.com, the reply to address is exactly that. Hope this makes
>>>>sense... :)
>>>>
>>>>Any idea how I can fix this? I know that if you have the same listname at
>>>>different domains, then you have to set up another mailman server for it,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>but
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>this is different list names at different domains.
>>>>
>>>>Any help would be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>Regards
>>>>JvdW
>>>>
>>>>------------------------------------------------------
>>>>Mailman-Users mailing list
>>>>Mailman-Users at python.org
>>>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>>>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>>>>
>>>>
>>>------------------------------------------------------
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>>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>>>
>>>
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>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 


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From pvmailman at nekophile.com  Tue Mar 19 17:42:49 2002
From: pvmailman at nekophile.com (Phil Voris)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:42:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] two questions (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0203190842270.7960-100000@twiggy.nekophile.com>

> 1) looks like you are either missing the directory structure for archive:
>   ~mailman/archives
>                     ../private
>                     ../public 
> or the rights are such that Mailman cannot access them

I don't think so.  Everything's pretty much accessible to mailman group 
and user.  

> 2) If you want Mailman to add the routes when you run "newlist -o ..." then 
> it needs write access to the file.  Otherwise, you can simply add the entries 
> yourself everytime you add a new list.

I've been updating the aliases manually - the errors come when I try to
send mail.  As far as I can tell, there's only one setup that works: 
- a complete copy of the /etc/postfix/aliases file in /home/mailman 
- every time I update the site aliases, I have the update the
/home/mailman/aliases file and run postalias on it. 
- the following in /etc/postfix/main.cf:

alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases
alias_maps = hash:/home/mailman/aliases
alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases


If I use the convention:
alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/home/mailman/aliases
I get a postfix error.
If I try to just keep mailman aliases in the /home/mailman/aliases file, I 
get the error.
If I chgrp mailman /etc/postfix/aliases and open up the w perms in order 
to try to centralize things, I get the error.

The error is:

                        The Postfix program

<list.foo at nekophile.com>: Command died with status 2:
    "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post list.foo". Command output: 
Failure to
    exec script. WANTED gid 41, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)


(41 = mailman)


> 
>  --- Original Message: Sunday 17 March 2002 03:50 pm ---
> > Hi, I use v 2.08 and have a couple questions:
> >
> > 1] I get the following cron error all the time, but I don't know python
> > and therefore cannot assess the problem.  What does it mean?
> >
> >
> > Subject: Cron <mailman at twiggy> /usr/bin/python -S
> >     /home/mailman/cron/senddigests
> >
> > Traceback (innermost last):
> >   File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 65, in ?
> >     main()
> >   File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 42, in main
> >     send_list_digest(mlist)
> >   File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 59, in send_list_digest
> >     mlist.Save()
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 861, in Save
> >     self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 256, in
> > CheckHTMLArchiveDir
> >     makelink(privdir, pubdir)
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 42, in makelink
> >     os.symlink(old, new)
> > OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
> >
> >
> > 2] I use postfix and have added the extra aliases file to make things
> > work.  However, I don't understand why this file needs to writeable by
> > mailman.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Phil
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 

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From martin at schmitt.li  Tue Mar 19 18:06:50 2002
From: martin at schmitt.li (Martin Schmitt)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:06:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrong gid
In-Reply-To: <1016536706.1640.94.camel@stn110>; from ral@codewan.com.ph on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 07:18:23PM +0800
References: <1016536706.1640.94.camel@stn110>
Message-ID: <20020319180650.A12346@schmitt.li>

* lito a. lampitoc wrote/schrieb:

>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 2001.  (Reconfigure to
> take 2001?)
> 554 5.3.0 "|/export/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown
> mailer error 2

Same here, also on Solaris. And yes, I did recompile it twice, just to be
really sure.

Any other pointers than to just the FAQ, guys? Could it be that there is 
some incompatibility on Solaris lurking? 

-martin

-- 
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From sjohnston at cavion.com  Tue Mar 19 18:32:58 2002
From: sjohnston at cavion.com (Shannon Johnston)
Date: 19 Mar 2002 10:32:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists not getting emails....
Message-ID: <1016559178.26946.48.camel@TDT>

Hi,
I've got my system running exim and mailman.
Exim seems to be working alright, it sends emails out just fine.
However, when I try to send email out via the mailing list, I find this
in my maillog:

Mar 19 12:08:49 mailer exim[22755]: 2002-03-19 12:08:49 16mSQi-00060k-00
** mailman@: mail domain "" is syntactically invalid
Mar 19 12:08:49 mailer exim[22756]: 2002-03-19 12:08:49 16nN6P-0005v2-00
Error while reading message with no usable sender address
(R=16mSQi-00060k-00): at least one malformed recipient address: mailman@
- domain missing or malformed
Mar 19 12:08:49 mailer exim[22755]: 2002-03-19 12:08:49 16mSQi-00060k-00
Process failed (1) when writing error message to mailman@ (frozen)


This shows up in the $MAILMAN/logs/smtp-failure

Mar 19 12:09:00 2002 (22825) -1 sjohnston at cavion.com (ignore)



Does anybody have a clue with what's going on here? Or
at least point me in the right direction?

Thanks,
Shannon




From fred at bytesforall.org  Sun Mar 17 19:19:32 2002
From: fred at bytesforall.org (Frederick Noronha)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:49:32 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Load generated by Mailman posts...
In-Reply-To: <E16m7Vx-0003Lj-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203172347240.7392-100000@localhost.localdomain>

I would like to understand the type of load (on the server) that is
generated using Mailman software.

For instance, if I send a 10K message to a 100-subscriber list, what is
the total load on the server? 1000K or less?

This information is crucial since a friend has offered to set up Mailman
lists for me, upto a limit of 3GB per month. As a content-person, I'd like
to know what my limits would be... Frederick
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From abwatson at mindspring.com  Sun Mar 17 20:45:59 2002
From: abwatson at mindspring.com (Andrew Watson)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:45:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] customize the pipermail
Message-ID: <p05100302b8baa01e0191@[10.0.1.2]>

Is there a way to customize the pipermail archive index pages - for 
example the have a date printed for each message or to list them 
newest-first?

More generally, can someone point me to pipermail documentation?

-Andrew



From dagilbert at raytheon.com  Mon Mar 18 19:28:37 2002
From: dagilbert at raytheon.com (David A Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:28:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] clone_member -rq not working?
Message-ID: <OF4264EFD3.F4BE1E41-ON88256B80.0065659A@rsc.raytheon.com>

When I do the clone_member -r  as below,  all the mailing list
subscriptions get removed for that user instead of cloned to the new
address.  Am using Mailman 2.0.6 on RedHat Linux 7.2. Is there any reason
why this wouldn't work? Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks,

Logged in as mailman user:
bash-2.05$ ./find_member dagilbert
bash-2.05$ more ../tmp/users
dagilbert at west.raytheon.com
bash-2.05$ ./add_members -d ../tmp/users -w n junk-obejas
bash-2.05$ ./find_member dagilbert
dagilbert at west.raytheon.com found in:
     junk-obejas
bash-2.05$ ./clone_member -rq dagilbert at west.raytheon.com
dagilbert at raytheon.co
m
    original address removed: dagilbert at west.raytheon.com
bash-2.05$ ./find_member dagilbert
bash-2.05$

Regards,
David
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SMTP mail: dagilbert at west.raytheon.com
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From cmorgan at fusioncm.com  Mon Mar 18 20:58:50 2002
From: cmorgan at fusioncm.com (Clark E. Morgan)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:58:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GNU Mailman on an Ensim
Message-ID: <OBEOKNDKLFFCKMKHHBAMCEBIDKAA.cmorgan@fusioncm.com>

I've got a relatively new Ensim Webppliance machine via RackShack and have
been givng some thought to installing Mailman as I had on a RaQ from
another, heretofore to remain nameless, provider. I figure inside the
chrooted sites would be a great way to run it, removing the limitation on
duplicate listnames across different domains. But after solving a few minor
problems, I'm stuck on a big one, no compiler in the chrooted virtual sites.

Has anyone succesfully installed Mailman on one of these boxes? I found the
following lines in the existing httpd.conf:

# MailMan
# If you have Mailman, the mailing list manager package
# installed, uncomment these lines to enable mailman functionality.
#ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/share/mailman/cgi-bin/
#Alias /pipermail/ /usr/share/mailman/archives/public/

which suggests to me that someone at ensim has, preliminarily at least,
given this some thought. I could be way off base here, maybe it's just part
of RedHat's distribution.

At any rate, if anyone has any experience, sucessful, with this effort,
please advise. Thanks in advance.

Clark E. Morgan




From fnmjd at voicenet.com  Mon Mar 18 21:15:04 2002
From: fnmjd at voicenet.com (Mike D.)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:15:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Saving pictures in the archives?
Message-ID: <v04220812b8bbfa5648dd@[63.222.177.146]>

Hello,

I am a list administrator and we just started using mailman. I would 
like to know if there is a way that we can have jpegs and other 
graphics that are sent to the list show up in the archives as the 
picture itself instead of just plain text.  I though if I could find 
a way to set mailman to send out attachments in Mime instead of plain 
text the archives would then do this.  However, I have found no such 
setting.  Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you ,
Mike D.



From PeterLeuenroth at compuserve.com  Tue Mar 19 01:14:19 2002
From: PeterLeuenroth at compuserve.com (Peter, OL)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 01:14:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] questions
Message-ID: <00a801c1cedb$10035ca0$e200acd4@peterleu>

Hi,
do you have a german version for the manual of
mailman?
Especially the textes, which are send to the users 
who want to subscribe to a maillinglist?

Gruesse aus Oldenburg
Peter Leuenroth
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From dagilbert at raytheon.com  Tue Mar 19 01:53:23 2002
From: dagilbert at raytheon.com (David A Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:53:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] clone_member -rq not working?
Message-ID: <OFF46356B0.8F9E2C10-ON88256B81.00039C70@rsc.raytheon.com>

Answer to my own question:
Looks like the default in Defaults.py is SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH=1
When set to 0, my problem below no longer occurs. Doesn't seem very
intuitive to me that the remove would take place after getting the
MMAlreadyAMember error, but I guess since the addresses are considered
equivalent, it is operating as expected. Don't think SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH=1
should be set as a default setting.

Regards,
David
----- Forwarded by David A Gilbert/RWS/Raytheon/US on 03/18/2002 04:40 PM
-----
                                                                                                                
                    David A                                                                                     
                    Gilbert              To:     mailman-users at python.org                                       
                                         cc:                                                                    
                    03/18/2002           Subject:     clone_member -rq not working?                             
                    10:28 AM                                                                                    
                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                



When I do the clone_member -r  as below,  all the mailing list
subscriptions get removed for that user instead of cloned to the new
address.  Am using Mailman 2.0.6 on RedHat Linux 7.2. Is there any reason
why this wouldn't work? Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks,

Logged in as mailman user:
bash-2.05$ ./find_member dagilbert
bash-2.05$ more ../tmp/users
dagilbert at west.raytheon.com
bash-2.05$ ./add_members -d ../tmp/users -w n junk-obejas
bash-2.05$ ./find_member dagilbert
dagilbert at west.raytheon.com found in:
     junk-obejas
bash-2.05$ ./clone_member -rq dagilbert at west.raytheon.com
dagilbert at raytheon.co
m
    original address removed: dagilbert at west.raytheon.com
bash-2.05$ ./find_member dagilbert
bash-2.05$

Regards,
David
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Raytheon Company
310.334.1070
Notes mail: David A Gilbert/RWS/Raytheon/US
SMTP mail: dagilbert at west.raytheon.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------






From wmads1 at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 19 05:18:18 2002
From: wmads1 at earthlink.net (William A. Dunham)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:18:18 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020318221818.007e5290@earthlink.net>

Ran into this message, so I copied it and am sending it to you.  Kathy



Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. 




From fred at bytesforall.org  Tue Mar 19 12:16:40 2002
From: fred at bytesforall.org (Frederick Noronha)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:46:40 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feedback... from South Asia
In-Reply-To: <20020318160713.50934.qmail@web21106.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203191645320.960-100000@localhost.localdomain>

A friend in Pakistan (Fawad Halim) had this feedback about Mailman. I hope
Fawad doesn't mind me forwarding it to the Mailman list... FN

On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Fawad Halim wrote:


> Well, from the 'Mailman in the news' section of
> www.lists.org, Mailman has some pretty major sites
> under it's belt. However, do remember that mailman is
> a relatively young mlm. There are plenty of other mlms
> that have seen plenty more action. majordomo is
> probably the sendmail of mlms, however it's really a
> pain to configure. If your site runs qmail, ezmlm is
> probably your best choice. Like (all?) other DJB
> software, it's very lite, very secure and BLAZING
> fast. fast. Check out the main site at
> http://cr.yp.to/ezmlm.html. I mainly steer away from
> DJB software for licensing reason (not opensource
> according to the OSD (binary dist almost completely
> prohibited).
> 
> For the long haul, however, I believe mailman will
> emerge as the winner simply because of it's ease of
> use and maintenence (and it's opensource nature of
> course).
> 
> If raw speed is your main goal (running something like
> the lkml :-)), qmail+ezmlm is probably your best bet.
> 
> -fawad

> 
> --- Frederick Noronha <fred at bytesforall.org> wrote:
> > Was just curious to know... how does Mailman handle
> > mail load?
> > 
> > If I send one 10K message to 100 subscribers on a
> > list, what would be the
> > total load on the list-server? 1000K or less?
> > 
> > Mailman has a list to discuss issues related to the
> > software. If you make
> > good suggestions, they could incorporate it in the
> > next release. So,
> > perhaps now's the time to get involved.
> > 
> > Mailing lists are a very powerful tool. To demo the
> > power of Linux,
> > perhaps those interested could help set up various
> > mailing-lists for
> > professional, technical, developmental and other
> > people having
> > communication needs.

--
Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa * India 832.409490 / 409783
BYTESFORALL www.bytesforall.org  * GNU-LINUX http://linuxinindia.pitas.com
Email fred at bytesforall.org * SMS 9822122436 at attcell.net * Saligao Goa India
Writing with a difference... on what makes *the* difference
If you're writing a personal e-mail to me, kindly mark it so prominently




From phil.voris at nekophile.com  Tue Mar 19 17:40:11 2002
From: phil.voris at nekophile.com (Phil Voris)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:40:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] two questions (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0203190839280.7918-100000@twiggy.nekophile.com>

> 1) looks like you are either missing the directory structure for archive:
>   ~mailman/archives
>                     ../private
>                     ../public 
> or the rights are such that Mailman cannot access them

I don't think so.  Everything's pretty much accessible to mailman group 
and user.  

> 2) If you want Mailman to add the routes when you run "newlist -o ..." then 
> it needs write access to the file.  Otherwise, you can simply add the entries 
> yourself everytime you add a new list.

I've been updating the aliases manually - the errors come when I try to
send mail.  As far as I can tell, there's only one setup that works: 
- a complete copy of the /etc/postfix/aliases file in /home/mailman 
- every time I update the site aliases, I have the update the
/home/mailman/aliases file and run postalias on it. 
- the following in /etc/postfix/main.cf:

alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases
alias_maps = hash:/home/mailman/aliases
alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases


If I use the convention:
alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/home/mailman/aliases
I get a postfix error.
If I try to just keep mailman aliases in the /home/mailman/aliases file, I 
get the error.
If I chgrp mailman /etc/postfix/aliases and open up the w perms in order 
to try to centralize things, I get the error.

The error is:

                        The Postfix program

<list.foo at nekophile.com>: Command died with status 2:
    "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post list.foo". Command output: 
Failure to
    exec script. WANTED gid 41, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)


(41 = mailman)


> 
>  --- Original Message: Sunday 17 March 2002 03:50 pm ---
> > Hi, I use v 2.08 and have a couple questions:
> >
> > 1] I get the following cron error all the time, but I don't know python
> > and therefore cannot assess the problem.  What does it mean?
> >
> >
> > Subject: Cron <mailman at twiggy> /usr/bin/python -S
> >     /home/mailman/cron/senddigests
> >
> > Traceback (innermost last):
> >   File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 65, in ?
> >     main()
> >   File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 42, in main
> >     send_list_digest(mlist)
> >   File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 59, in send_list_digest
> >     mlist.Save()
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 861, in Save
> >     self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 256, in
> > CheckHTMLArchiveDir
> >     makelink(privdir, pubdir)
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 42, in makelink
> >     os.symlink(old, new)
> > OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
> >
> >
> > 2] I use postfix and have added the extra aliases file to make things
> > work.  However, I don't understand why this file needs to writeable by
> > mailman.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Phil
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 

-- 
# Phil Voris <phil.voris at nekophile.com> -=-  http://www.nekophile.com
# GPG Key: http://www.nekophile.com/~pvoris/gpg/
# 
# I think the world is ready for the story of an ugly duckling, who grew up to
# remain an ugly duckling, and lived happily ever after.
# 		-- Chick










From zgabor at mindmaker.hu  Tue Mar 19 18:33:50 2002
From: zgabor at mindmaker.hu (Gabor Zalavary)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:33:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to delete spam?
Message-ID: <3C97767E.B1D19DCA@mindmaker.hu>

hi,
I've got a list and I would like to drop (delete) all mails which are spam:-)
more precisely I'd like to delete all incoming mails which to: or cc: field
doesn't contains the address of the list. currently all such mails goes under
"Tend to pending administrative requests" and the administrator have to
delete these mails. 
so my questions: how can I delete these mails? is there any options for this?
thanks in advance.



From spam_sucks at lrllamas.com  Tue Mar 19 18:56:53 2002
From: spam_sucks at lrllamas.com (Jay S Curtis)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:56:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] anither good tool (outside of overworked SamSpade)
Message-ID: <20020319175654.385B68001@camel.lrllamas.com>

www.dnsstuff.com
-- 
Jay S. Curtis



From anna at water.ca.gov  Tue Mar 19 19:44:07 2002
From: anna at water.ca.gov (Anna Fong)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:44:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020319104407.00a405b0@storm>

move_list doesn't update config.db correctly.  Is this a known bug?  If so,
is there a patch?

Recently tried migrating lists from Mailman 1.1 on one server to Mailman
2.0.8 on different server.

Noticed that move_list was not correctly updating path in config.db for
archives which causes the list not to post mail. (Mailman 2.0.8 on
different server)

When doing `strings config.db` on old config.db for
private_archive_file_dirs, I get
"/usr/local/etc/mailman/archives/private/migration_test.mboxs" as expected.

But after doing a move_list on new server, for private_archive_file_dirs I
get "/export2/home/mailman/lists/migration_test.mboxs" which is going down
"lists" directory not "archives" directory.  Not correct!

After doing a rmlist on the new server and then newlist, for
private_archive_file_dirs I get
"/export2/home/mailman/archives/private/migration_test.mboxs" which is
correct.  But this means I have to blow away my existing configuration
parameters and start from scratch.  Not what I want!

How can I get move_list to update the config.db correctly?

TIA,
Anna




--------------------------------------------------------

Anna Q. Fong, Webmaster	
California Data Exchange Center	




From brett at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca  Tue Mar 19 20:20:29 2002
From: brett at twobikes.ottawa.on.ca (Brett Delmage)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:20:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner fails to start on 2.1b4
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0203191420120.23192-100000@pannier.cfsc.ottawa.on.ca>

I updated  from 2.1a4 to 2.1b1 this weekend. SuSE 7.3, python 2.1.1

A problem showed up during make install, where paths.py was not copied
into the bin, scripts, cron directories. I copied it in manually and that
cleared the initial problems: the Cgi parts seemed to work (without
exhaustive testing).

Now I'm running into the followuing problems with qrunner but I am not
sure where to look. Suggestions? It looks like it might still be related
to paths.py?

	Brett



# bin/mailmanctl start
Starting Mailman's master qrunner.
Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.VirginRunner
Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.CommandRunner
Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.IncomingRunner
Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.ArchRunner
Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.BounceRunner
Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.NewsRunner
Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.OutgoingRunner


in logs/error:

Mar 18 00:41:58 2002 mailmanctl(4463):
Mar 18 00:42:06 2002 qrunner(4472): Cannot import runner module   Mailman.Queue.VirginRunner
Mar 18 00:42:06 2002 qrunner(4468): Cannot import runner module   Mailman.Queue.CommandRunner
Mar 18 00:42:06 2002 qrunner(4469): Cannot import runner module   Mailman.Queue.IncomingRunner
Mar 18 00:42:07 2002 qrunner(4466): Cannot import runner module   Mailman.Queue.ArchRunner
Mar 18 00:42:08 2002 qrunner(4467): Cannot import runner module   Mailman.Queue.BounceRunner
Mar 18 00:42:08 2002 qrunner(4470): Cannot import runner module   Mailman.Queue.NewsRunner
Mar 18 00:42:08 2002 qrunner(4471): Cannot import runner module   Mailman.Queue.OutgoingRunner

in logs/qrunner:

Mar 18 00:42:06 2002 (4465) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 4472, sig: 0, sts: 15, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1)
Mar 18 00:42:06 2002 (4465) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 4468, sig: 0, sts: 15, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1)
Mar 18 00:42:06 2002 (4465) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 4469, sig: 0, sts: 15, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1)
Mar 18 00:42:07 2002 (4465) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 4466, sig: 0, sts: 15, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1)
Mar 18 00:42:08 2002 (4465) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 4467, sig: 0, sts: 15, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1)
Mar 18 00:42:08 2002 (4465) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 4470, sig: 0, sts: 15, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1)
Mar 18 00:42:08 2002 (4465) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 4471, sig: 0, sts: 15, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1)






From contactus at dramashare.org  Tue Mar 19 20:47:53 2002
From: contactus at dramashare.org (Drama Share)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:47:53 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] requesting lost password
Message-ID: <001301c1cf7e$f5c32380$c000a8c0@Main>

As list administrator is there no way I can tell the subscriber what
their password is when they have forgotten it?

When I, as administrator sub a subscriber is there a password set or is
the subscription done with no password assigned, (in which case can the
subscriber get in with email address only?)

I am sure there used to be a spot where the subscriber could enter their
email address and the lost password was sent to the subscriber.

Thanks

John Alexander
DramaShare

christian-drama-forum




From lil at QHTimes.com  Wed Mar 20 00:34:09 2002
From: lil at QHTimes.com (Lil Peck, QHTimes.com Quarter Horse community)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:34:09 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html in digests
References: <E16nSwc-0006A8-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <00c701c1cf9e$91930b80$79fea8c0@lilpeck>

I would like to hear about solutions or work-arounds to avoid the html code
that appears in the digests. This is particularly a problem for my
subscribers who have aol addresses. I'm finding it nearly impossible to
train my subscribers to all send their posts as plain text to begin
with.--Lil




From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Wed Mar 20 00:34:05 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:34:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: html in digests
In-Reply-To: <00c701c1cf9e$91930b80$79fea8c0@lilpeck>
References: <E16nSwc-0006A8-00@mail.python.org> <00c701c1cf9e$91930b80$79fea8c0@lilpeck>
Message-ID: <20020319233405.GE30165@hq.newdream.net>

Lil Peck, QHTimes.com Quarter Horse community wrote:

> I would like to hear about solutions or work-arounds to avoid the html
> code that appears in the digests. This is particularly a problem for
> my subscribers who have aol addresses. I'm finding it nearly
> impossible to train my subscribers to all send their posts as plain
> text to begin with.

you might want to look at demime and / or stripmime. both are linked in
the mailman faq.

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 20 05:51:24 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:51:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] requesting lost password
In-Reply-To: <001301c1cf7e$f5c32380$c000a8c0@Main>
References: <001301c1cf7e$f5c32380$c000a8c0@Main>
Message-ID: <200203200449.XAA23511@salsa.haht.com>

Just did this for a user today... 
  Go to the "listinfo" page
  Put their email address in the "Edit Options" box at the bottom of the web 
page and click on the "Edit Options" button.
  On the User Options page, click on the button: Email My Password to Me
   
 --- Original Message: Tuesday 19 March 2002 02:47 pm ---
> As list administrator is there no way I can tell the subscriber what
> their password is when they have forgotten it?
>
> When I, as administrator sub a subscriber is there a password set or is
> the subscription done with no password assigned, (in which case can the
> subscriber get in with email address only?)
>
> I am sure there used to be a spot where the subscriber could enter their
> email address and the lost password was sent to the subscriber.
>
> Thanks
>
> John Alexander
> DramaShare
>
> christian-drama-forum
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Mar 20 06:06:20 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:06:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to delete spam?
In-Reply-To: <3C97767E.B1D19DCA@mindmaker.hu>
References: <3C97767E.B1D19DCA@mindmaker.hu>
Message-ID: <200203200504.AAA23787@salsa.haht.com>

There is an FAQ that shows you how to setup a cronjob which deletes all the 
held messages for a list, and there is a patch that someone put on the list 
this month that changes the default for the Admindb page so that it is 
"discard".  You would simply go to the Admindb page and hit process button to 
discard all held messages.

 --- Original Message: Tuesday 19 March 2002 12:33 pm ---
> hi,
> I've got a list and I would like to drop (delete) all mails which are
> spam:-) more precisely I'd like to delete all incoming mails which to: or
> cc: field doesn't contains the address of the list. currently all such
> mails goes under "Tend to pending administrative requests" and the
> administrator have to delete these mails.
> so my questions: how can I delete these mails? is there any options for
> this? thanks in advance.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Mar 20 07:36:41 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:36:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Load generated by Mailman posts... 
In-Reply-To: Message from Frederick Noronha <fred@bytesforall.org> 
   of "Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:49:32 +0530." <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203172347240.7392-100000@localhost.localdomain> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203172347240.7392-100000@localhost.localdomain> 
Message-ID: <9384.1016606201@kanga.nu>

On Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:49:32 +0530 (IST) 
Frederick Noronha <fred at bytesforall.org> wrote:

> For instance, if I send a 10K message to a 100-subscriber list, what
> is the total load on the server? 1000K or less?

Its not very predictable.  It depends on the number of members on your
list, the number of RCPT TO's you configure for each message (<=100),
how well your MTA handles bundling of deliveries to target MXes, number
of bounces received in response to a mailing, etc.  

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Mar 20 07:37:32 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:37:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Saving pictures in the archives? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Mike D." <fnmjd@voicenet.com> 
   of "Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:15:04 EST." <v04220812b8bbfa5648dd@[63.222.177.146]> 
References: <v04220812b8bbfa5648dd@[63.222.177.146]> 
Message-ID: <9397.1016606252@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:15:04 -0500 
Mike D <fnmjd at voicenet.com> wrote:

> I am a list administrator and we just started using mailman. I would
> like to know if there is a way that we can have jpegs and other
> graphics that are sent to the list show up in the archives as the
> picture itself instead of just plain text.  

Please see the online Mailman FAQ with regard to MIME, MHonARc and
archiving.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Mar 20 07:40:23 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:40:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] requesting lost password 
In-Reply-To: Message from Drama Share <contactus@dramashare.org> 
   of "Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:47:53 CST." <001301c1cf7e$f5c32380$c000a8c0@Main> 
References: <001301c1cf7e$f5c32380$c000a8c0@Main> 
Message-ID: <9433.1016606423@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:47:53 -0600 
Drama Share <contactus at dramashare.org> wrote:

> When I, as administrator sub a subscriber is there a password set or
> is the subscription done with no password assigned, (in which case can
> the subscriber get in with email address only?)

The system assigns and emails them a random password.

> I am sure there used to be a spot where the subscriber could enter
> their email address and the lost password was sent to the subscriber.

Plug the member's subscription address in on the list page.  On the next
page is a button that will email them their password.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Mar 20 07:40:52 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:40:52 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html in digests 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Lil Peck, QHTimes.com Quarter Horse community" <lil@QHTimes.com> 
   of "Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:34:09 CST." <00c701c1cf9e$91930b80$79fea8c0@lilpeck> 
References: <E16nSwc-0006A8-00@mail.python.org>  <00c701c1cf9e$91930b80$79fea8c0@lilpeck> 
Message-ID: <9444.1016606452@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:34:09 -0600 
Lil Peck <Lil> wrote:

> I would like to hear about solutions or work-arounds to avoid the html
> code that appears in the digests. This is particularly a problem for
> my subscribers who have aol addresses. I'm finding it nearly
> impossible to train my subscribers to all send their posts as plain
> text to begin with.

Please see the online Mailman FAQ with regard to MIME and MIME filters.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From r2d2 at yebo.co.za  Wed Mar 20 12:04:58 2002
From: r2d2 at yebo.co.za (JvdW)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:04:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
In-Reply-To: <7D6B2870025DD511B03900A0C9E8ACAB05F911F6@whmsx5.is.bear.com>
References: <7D6B2870025DD511B03900A0C9E8ACAB05F911F6@whmsx5.is.bear.com>
Message-ID: <E16ndu4-0008T8-00@mail.python.org>

My DNS is set up so that hostname.domain.com points to a A record. The 
virtual domain, mylist.anotherdomain.com is also set up with a A record 
pointing to the machines ip. No cnames. What bothers me is the fact that if I 
change the "This list" or "Explicit address" to anything other than to 
domains set up in sendmail.cw then the reply to address is exactly what I 
specified. The reply to poster also works fine.

l8r
JvdW

On Tuesday 19 March 2002 17:47, Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange) wrote:
> It depends on how the virtual host name is defined.  If it is a CNAME
> pointing to the actual host name then sendmail, and many other MTAs, will
> change the name to the actual host name in the envelope (and sometimes in
> the header) From address.  If it is defined with an A record pointing to
> the same IP address as the other host name (or a virtual IP address of its
> own) then sendmail shouldn't be changing the From address.
>
> Ari
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kelly Corbin [mailto:kcorbin at theiqgroup.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:37 AM
> To: JvdW; mailman-users
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
>
>
> It appears to be a Sendmail question.  I have the same problem, as well
> as many other people on this list.  If someone has a simple answer, it
> should go in the FAQ.  I did a lot of looking yesterday, but never found
> an answer.  Surely _someone_ has figured this out...
>
> JvdW wrote:
> > I do have the domain in "Host name this list prefers". Could this be a
> > sendmail issue?
> >
> > l8r
> > Jvdw
> >
> > On Tuesday 19 March 2002 16:50, Jon Carnes wrote:
> >>Web-admin interface, General options page, "Host name this list prefers"
> >>(near the bottom of the web page).
> >>Put in "lists.anotherdomain.com" (to use your info from message below).
> >>
> >>Jon Carnes
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "JvdW" <r2d2 at yebo.co.za>
> >>To: "Mailman - Mailinglist" <mailman-users at python.org>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 3:41 AM
> >>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
> >>
> >>>Hi
> >>>
> >>>I've just installed mailman and using sendmail as the mta. I created a
> >>>testlist called testlist at mylist.domain.com(mylist.domain.com is what
> >>
> >>sendmail
> >>
> >>>is set up with as the default domain) which works fine as well as
> >>>list2 at lists.anotherdomain.com. As needed I added the
> >>
> >>lists.anotherdomain.com
> >>
> >>>to the sendmail.cw file so that sendmail knows it has to listen for for
> >>
> >>that
> >>
> >>>domain. All works well, but the problem I'm having is the reply to
> >>
> >>address.
> >>
> >>>When I set the list up so that the reply to address is the same as the
> >>
> >>list
> >>
> >>>name, the address I get is list2 at hostname.domain.com. If I use explicit
> >>>address and put the list2 at lists.anotherdomain.com in, it still shows
> >>>lists2 at hostname.domain.com, but if I put anything else in there like
> >>>johndoe at domain.com, the reply to address is exactly that. Hope this
> >>> makes sense... :)
> >>>
> >>>Any idea how I can fix this? I know that if you have the same listname
> >>> at different domains, then you have to set up another mailman server
> >>> for it,
> >>
> >>but
> >>
> >>>this is different list names at different domains.
> >>>
> >>>Any help would be appreciated.
> >>>
> >>>Regards
> >>>JvdW
> >>>
> >>>------------------------------------------------------
> >>>Mailman-Users mailing list
> >>>Mailman-Users at python.org
> >>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >>>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> >>
> >>------------------------------------------------------
> >>Mailman-Users mailing list
> >>Mailman-Users at python.org
> >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py



From Z1test at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 20 15:12:46 2002
From: Z1test at earthlink.net (Z1test at earthlink.net)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:12:46 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing Header Info
Message-ID: <3C98447E.3282.B504A8@localhost>

I'm using this software for my mailing lists.  It is installed on my  
domain by my host, so I'm really just a user.

Is there anyway to remove the mailto links at the top of each 
message?  I've looked in the options, and if it is there I miss it.

I want to keep the messages as "Clean" as possible because my 
users are not heavy computer users.

Thanks

-- 
z1test at earthlink.net





From fnmjd at voicenet.com  Wed Mar 20 16:13:10 2002
From: fnmjd at voicenet.com (Mike D.)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:13:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Saving pictures in the archives?
In-Reply-To: <9397.1016606252@kanga.nu>
References: <v04220812b8bbfa5648dd@[63.222.177.146]>
 <9397.1016606252@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <v04220801b8be568812e1@[63.222.177.146]>

Hi,

I went to the faq at www.gnu.org/software/mailman/faq.html.  There I 
searched for both MIME and MHonARc and those strings are not located 
on the page.  What is there about archives also doesn't address this 
question.  Could you be more specific because I think I may be 
looking in the wrong place?

Thank you,
Mike D.


>On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:15:04 -0500
>Mike D <fnmjd at voicenet.com> wrote:
>
>>  I am a list administrator and we just started using mailman. I would
>>  like to know if there is a way that we can have jpegs and other
>>  graphics that are sent to the list show up in the archives as the
>>  picture itself instead of just plain text.
>
>Please see the online Mailman FAQ with regard to MIME, MHonARc and
>archiving.
>
>--
>J C Lawrence
>---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
>claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
>http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From mboudreau at press.uchicago.edu  Wed Mar 20 16:26:11 2002
From: mboudreau at press.uchicago.edu (Michael Boudreau)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:26:11 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ghost in the admin db?
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20020320092322.00a5bbc0@press.uchicago.edu>

One of our lists (still running on mailman 1.1) is sending a notice every 
morning about a pending post needing approval.

When I go to the pending administrative requests page, the page says 
"Database updated", but I haven't done anything. Checking the page later 
shows no pending requests. But then the email shows up again the next morning.

Is there a way to forcibly clear out (delete some file?) the admin database 
for an existing list?


=================================================
Michael Boudreau
Senior Electronic Publishing Developer
The University of Chicago Press
1427 E. 60th Street
Chicago, IL 60637-2954

phone: 773 753 3298
fax: 773 753 3383
================================================= 




From lil at QHTimes.com  Wed Mar 20 17:21:42 2002
From: lil at QHTimes.com (Lil Peck, QHTimes.com Quarter Horse community)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:21:42 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html in digests 
References: <E16nSwc-0006A8-00@mail.python.org>  <00c701c1cf9e$91930b80$79fea8c0@lilpeck>  <9444.1016606452@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <01f201c1d02b$52635fe0$79fea8c0@lilpeck>

----- Original Message -----
From: "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu>

> Please see the online Mailman FAQ with regard to MIME and MIME filters.
>
Unfortunately, good ol' AOL makes mincemeat out of either, when receiving
digests. Put that together with the computer savvy of the general AOL-user,
and it adds up to lots of bitching, LOL. It wouldn't matter except for the
popularity of AOL. What I've started doing is collecting the messages from
one day in a folder, converting them all to plain text and then merging them
and sending them out as a single digest that way to the Digest recipients.
However, I personally am very satisfied with Mailman, and am enjoying the
independence from Yahoo groups. --Lil




From alex at phred.org  Wed Mar 20 18:18:07 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:18:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html in digests 
In-Reply-To: <01f201c1d02b$52635fe0$79fea8c0@lilpeck>
Message-ID: <20020320091703.H8834-100000@phred.org>

On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Lil Peck, QHTimes.com Quarter Horse community wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu>
>
> > Please see the online Mailman FAQ with regard to MIME and MIME filters.
> >
> Unfortunately, good ol' AOL makes mincemeat out of either, when receiving
> digests. Put that together with the computer savvy of the general AOL-user,
> and it adds up to lots of bitching, LOL. It wouldn't matter except for the
> popularity of AOL. What I've started doing is collecting the messages from
> one day in a folder, converting them all to plain text and then merging them
> and sending them out as a single digest that way to the Digest recipients.
> However, I personally am very satisfied with Mailman, and am enjoying the
> independence from Yahoo groups. --Lil

The MIME filters (stripmime which I wrote, or demime, or the patches
for mailman) will prevent MIME and HTML from ever hitting your list in
the first place.  The Mailman FAQ has a good entry on this subject.

http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html

There is no reason why you should have to edit digests by hand.

alex




From jonc at haht.com  Wed Mar 20 18:23:49 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:23:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ghost in the admin db?
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020320092322.00a5bbc0@press.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <01a901c1d033$ff915a70$0b04010a@JCARNES>

The database in question is ~mailman/lists/<list_name>/request.db
There is no identifying data in request.db, so you can copy another list's
request.db (one that has no waiting request) over top of that list's
request.db.

Just to be thorough, you should look in ~mailman/data/... and see if their
are any messages for the offending list hanging about.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Boudreau" <mboudreau at press.uchicago.edu>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 10:26 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ghost in the admin db?


> One of our lists (still running on mailman 1.1) is sending a notice every
> morning about a pending post needing approval.
>
> When I go to the pending administrative requests page, the page says
> "Database updated", but I haven't done anything. Checking the page later
> shows no pending requests. But then the email shows up again the next
morning.
>
> Is there a way to forcibly clear out (delete some file?) the admin
database
> for an existing list?
>
>
> =================================================
> Michael Boudreau
> Senior Electronic Publishing Developer
> The University of Chicago Press
> 1427 E. 60th Street
> Chicago, IL 60637-2954
>
> phone: 773 753 3298
> fax: 773 753 3383
> =================================================
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From jonc at haht.com  Wed Mar 20 18:25:10 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:25:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Saving pictures in the archives?
References: <v04220812b8bbfa5648dd@[63.222.177.146]> <9397.1016606252@kanga.nu> <v04220801b8be568812e1@[63.222.177.146]>
Message-ID: <01b401c1d034$30189a00$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Look at the bottom of the email...
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike D." <fnmjd at voicenet.com>
To: "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Saving pictures in the archives?


> Hi,
> 
> I went to the faq at www.gnu.org/software/mailman/faq.html.  There I 
> searched for both MIME and MHonARc and those strings are not located 
> on the page.  What is there about archives also doesn't address this 
> question.  Could you be more specific because I think I may be 
> looking in the wrong place?
> 
> Thank you,
> Mike D.
> 
> 
> >On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:15:04 -0500
> >Mike D <fnmjd at voicenet.com> wrote:
> >
> >>  I am a list administrator and we just started using mailman. I would
> >>  like to know if there is a way that we can have jpegs and other
> >>  graphics that are sent to the list show up in the archives as the
> >>  picture itself instead of just plain text.
> >
> >Please see the online Mailman FAQ with regard to MIME, MHonARc and
> >archiving.
> >
> >--
> >J C Lawrence
> >---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
> >claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
> >http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From jonc at haht.com  Wed Mar 20 18:29:43 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:29:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
References: <7D6B2870025DD511B03900A0C9E8ACAB05F911F6@whmsx5.is.bear.com> <E16ndu4-0008T8-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <01c201c1d034$d3dce330$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Is the Masquerading option turned on in your sendmail.cf?
----- Original Message -----
From: "JvdW" <r2d2 at yebo.co.za>
To: "Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange)" <ari at bear.com>; "mailman-users"
<mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains


> My DNS is set up so that hostname.domain.com points to a A record. The
> virtual domain, mylist.anotherdomain.com is also set up with a A record
> pointing to the machines ip. No cnames. What bothers me is the fact that
if I
> change the "This list" or "Explicit address" to anything other than to
> domains set up in sendmail.cw then the reply to address is exactly what I
> specified. The reply to poster also works fine.
>
> l8r
> JvdW
>
> On Tuesday 19 March 2002 17:47, Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange) wrote:
> > It depends on how the virtual host name is defined.  If it is a CNAME
> > pointing to the actual host name then sendmail, and many other MTAs,
will
> > change the name to the actual host name in the envelope (and sometimes
in
> > the header) From address.  If it is defined with an A record pointing to
> > the same IP address as the other host name (or a virtual IP address of
its
> > own) then sendmail shouldn't be changing the From address.
> >
> > Ari
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kelly Corbin [mailto:kcorbin at theiqgroup.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:37 AM
> > To: JvdW; mailman-users
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
> >
> >
> > It appears to be a Sendmail question.  I have the same problem, as well
> > as many other people on this list.  If someone has a simple answer, it
> > should go in the FAQ.  I did a lot of looking yesterday, but never found
> > an answer.  Surely _someone_ has figured this out...
> >
> > JvdW wrote:
> > > I do have the domain in "Host name this list prefers". Could this be a
> > > sendmail issue?
> > >
> > > l8r
> > > Jvdw
> > >
> > > On Tuesday 19 March 2002 16:50, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > >>Web-admin interface, General options page, "Host name this list
prefers"
> > >>(near the bottom of the web page).
> > >>Put in "lists.anotherdomain.com" (to use your info from message
below).
> > >>
> > >>Jon Carnes
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: "JvdW" <r2d2 at yebo.co.za>
> > >>To: "Mailman - Mailinglist" <mailman-users at python.org>
> > >>Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 3:41 AM
> > >>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
> > >>
> > >>>Hi
> > >>>
> > >>>I've just installed mailman and using sendmail as the mta. I created
a
> > >>>testlist called testlist at mylist.domain.com(mylist.domain.com is what
> > >>
> > >>sendmail
> > >>
> > >>>is set up with as the default domain) which works fine as well as
> > >>>list2 at lists.anotherdomain.com. As needed I added the
> > >>
> > >>lists.anotherdomain.com
> > >>
> > >>>to the sendmail.cw file so that sendmail knows it has to listen for
for
> > >>
> > >>that
> > >>
> > >>>domain. All works well, but the problem I'm having is the reply to
> > >>
> > >>address.
> > >>
> > >>>When I set the list up so that the reply to address is the same as
the
> > >>
> > >>list
> > >>
> > >>>name, the address I get is list2 at hostname.domain.com. If I use
explicit
> > >>>address and put the list2 at lists.anotherdomain.com in, it still shows
> > >>>lists2 at hostname.domain.com, but if I put anything else in there like
> > >>>johndoe at domain.com, the reply to address is exactly that. Hope this
> > >>> makes sense... :)
> > >>>
> > >>>Any idea how I can fix this? I know that if you have the same
listname
> > >>> at different domains, then you have to set up another mailman server
> > >>> for it,
> > >>
> > >>but
> > >>
> > >>>this is different list names at different domains.
> > >>>
> > >>>Any help would be appreciated.
> > >>>
> > >>>Regards
> > >>>JvdW
> > >>>
> > >>>------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>Mailman-Users mailing list
> > >>>Mailman-Users at python.org
> > >>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > >>>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > >>
> > >>------------------------------------------------------
> > >>Mailman-Users mailing list
> > >>Mailman-Users at python.org
> > >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > >>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From mboudreau at press.uchicago.edu  Wed Mar 20 18:50:07 2002
From: mboudreau at press.uchicago.edu (Michael Boudreau)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:50:07 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ghost in the admin db?
In-Reply-To: <01a901c1d033$ff915a70$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020320092322.00a5bbc0@press.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20020320114635.00a77da0@press.uchicago.edu>

Could these be features of Mailman 2.0? There are no request.db files in 
any of our list directories.

The ~/mailman/data/ directory has

    adm.pw
    pending_subscriptions.db

and a bunch of files with names like "mm_q.11445.1".

I have found an FAQ entry "1.12. How do I automatically delete held 
messages?" which refers to these request.db files too, but I can't find any 
on our system (we have over a dozen lists in a mailman 1.1 installation). 
Perhaps the FAQ is accurate only for version 2.0...although I don't see any 
notice to this effect.


At 3/20/02 12:23 PM, Jon Carnes wrote:
>The database in question is ~mailman/lists/<list_name>/request.db
>There is no identifying data in request.db, so you can copy another list's
>request.db (one that has no waiting request) over top of that list's
>request.db.
>
>Just to be thorough, you should look in ~mailman/data/... and see if their
>are any messages for the offending list hanging about.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michael Boudreau" <mboudreau at press.uchicago.edu>
>To: <mailman-users at python.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 10:26 AM
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] ghost in the admin db?
>
>
> > One of our lists (still running on mailman 1.1) is sending a notice every
> > morning about a pending post needing approval.
> >
> > When I go to the pending administrative requests page, the page says
> > "Database updated", but I haven't done anything. Checking the page later
> > shows no pending requests. But then the email shows up again the next
>morning.
> >
> > Is there a way to forcibly clear out (delete some file?) the admin
>database
> > for an existing list?
> >
> >
> > =================================================
> > Michael Boudreau
> > Senior Electronic Publishing Developer
> > The University of Chicago Press
> > 1427 E. 60th Street
> > Chicago, IL 60637-2954
> >
> > phone: 773 753 3298
> > fax: 773 753 3383
> > =================================================
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py


=================================================
Michael Boudreau
Senior Electronic Publishing Developer
The University of Chicago Press
1427 E. 60th Street
Chicago, IL 60637-2954

phone: 773 753 3298
fax: 773 753 3383
================================================= 




From jonc at haht.com  Wed Mar 20 19:25:57 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:25:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail FAQ (for RedHat Linux)
Message-ID: <01e501c1d03c$aecc8a20$0b04010a@JCARNES>

A lot of folks have posted Sendmail questions to this list. The answers to
some of those questions are found in RedHat's very nicely done FAQ for
Sendmail:

http://www.redhat.com/support/resources/faqs/RH-sendmail-FAQ/book1.html

RedHat also has a nice overview of using Sendmail:

http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.2-Manual/ref-guide/s1-email-s
endmail.html




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Mar 20 19:36:32 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:36:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Saving pictures in the archives? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Mike D." <fnmjd@voicenet.com> 
   of "Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:13:10 EST." <v04220801b8be568812e1@[63.222.177.146]> 
References: <v04220812b8bbfa5648dd@[63.222.177.146]> <9397.1016606252@kanga.nu>  <v04220801b8be568812e1@[63.222.177.146]> 
Message-ID: <16965.1016649392@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:13:10 -0500 
Mike D <fnmjd at voicenet.com> wrote:

> Hi, I went to the faq at www.gnu.org/software/mailman/faq.html.  There
> I searched for both MIME and MHonARc and those strings are not located
> on the page.  What is there about archives also doesn't address this
> question.  Could you be more specific because I think I may be looking
> in the wrong place?

Arrghh!  The FAQ link at list.org is still wrong.  Sorry.  Try this FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Mar 20 19:40:19 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:40:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html in digests 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Lil Peck, QHTimes.com Quarter Horse community" <lil@QHTimes.com> 
   of "Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:21:42 CST." <01f201c1d02b$52635fe0$79fea8c0@lilpeck> 
References: <E16nSwc-0006A8-00@mail.python.org> <00c701c1cf9e$91930b80$79fea8c0@lilpeck> <9444.1016606452@kanga.nu>  <01f201c1d02b$52635fe0$79fea8c0@lilpeck> 
Message-ID: <17054.1016649619@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:21:42 -0600 
Lil Peck <Lil> wrote:

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu>

>> Please see the online Mailman FAQ with regard to MIME and MIME
>> filters.

> Unfortunately, good ol' AOL makes mincemeat out of either, when
> receiving digests. Put that together with the computer savvy of the
> general AOL-user, and it adds up to lots of bitching, LOL. 

You're missing the point.  You can use an automatic filter to strip MIME
structures from messages inbound to your list.  The effect is the same
as if all your members had sent plain text messages to start with,
instead of multipart/alternative witn attachments etc.  As a result
Mailman only ever sees plain text messages, and thus constructs its
digests etc from plain text messages etc.

> It wouldn't matter except for the popularity of AOL. 

AOL is certainly a pain, yes, but they are relatively easy to work
around.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From jonc at haht.com  Wed Mar 20 19:45:35 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:45:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ghost in the admin db?
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020320092322.00a5bbc0@press.uchicago.edu> <5.0.0.25.2.20020320114635.00a77da0@press.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <022a01c1d03f$6bb9f2b0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Only valid for v2.0.8 actually, as we always assume that users have upgraded
to the latest stable version.

I imagine that there will be a bit of parallelism going on during the
transition to v2.1.0, but folks will be encouraged to do any new work on
v2.1.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Boudreau" <mboudreau at press.uchicago.edu>
To: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] ghost in the admin db?


> Could these be features of Mailman 2.0? There are no request.db files in
> any of our list directories.
>
> The ~/mailman/data/ directory has
>
>     adm.pw
>     pending_subscriptions.db
>
> and a bunch of files with names like "mm_q.11445.1".
>
> I have found an FAQ entry "1.12. How do I automatically delete held
> messages?" which refers to these request.db files too, but I can't find
any
> on our system (we have over a dozen lists in a mailman 1.1 installation).
> Perhaps the FAQ is accurate only for version 2.0...although I don't see
any
> notice to this effect.
>
>
> At 3/20/02 12:23 PM, Jon Carnes wrote:
> >The database in question is ~mailman/lists/<list_name>/request.db
> >There is no identifying data in request.db, so you can copy another
list's
> >request.db (one that has no waiting request) over top of that list's
> >request.db.
> >
> >Just to be thorough, you should look in ~mailman/data/... and see if
their
> >are any messages for the offending list hanging about.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Michael Boudreau" <mboudreau at press.uchicago.edu>
> >To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 10:26 AM
> >Subject: [Mailman-Users] ghost in the admin db?
> >
> >
> > > One of our lists (still running on mailman 1.1) is sending a notice
every
> > > morning about a pending post needing approval.
> > >
> > > When I go to the pending administrative requests page, the page says
> > > "Database updated", but I haven't done anything. Checking the page
later
> > > shows no pending requests. But then the email shows up again the next
> >morning.
> > >
> > > Is there a way to forcibly clear out (delete some file?) the admin
> >database
> > > for an existing list?
> > >
> > >
> > > =================================================
> > > Michael Boudreau
> > > Senior Electronic Publishing Developer
> > > The University of Chicago Press
> > > 1427 E. 60th Street
> > > Chicago, IL 60637-2954
> > >
> > > phone: 773 753 3298
> > > fax: 773 753 3383
> > > =================================================
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>
>
> =================================================
> Michael Boudreau
> Senior Electronic Publishing Developer
> The University of Chicago Press
> 1427 E. 60th Street
> Chicago, IL 60637-2954
>
> phone: 773 753 3298
> fax: 773 753 3383
> =================================================




From ahmedf at alienfluid.com  Wed Mar 20 06:47:23 2002
From: ahmedf at alienfluid.com (Farhan Ahmed)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:47:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain name error in configuration
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0203200044070.2037-100000@www.alienfluid.com>

hi,

i successfully installed mailman-2.0.5 and even made a test list .. but 
the problem is that the email i receive from the system containing the 
information on the list i created contains no "From:" field! also, when i 
try to subscribe from another email address, the confirmation email has no 
"From:" field too and hence i am unable to confirm the subscription!! the 
body of the email contains info like .. "send email to test@       " .. as 
evident, the domain name is missing after the "@" sign ..

what did i miss in the configuration ? .. what should i do ?

tia,

farhan.

-- 

Farhan Ahmed
Project Leader - FreeLinuxTraining.org
Opaquenetworks
farhan at enawabs.com






From ahmedf at alienfluid.com  Wed Mar 20 05:04:09 2002
From: ahmedf at alienfluid.com (Farhan Ahmed)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:04:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems in configuration
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0203192302240.22005-100000@www.alienfluid.com>

hi,

i installed mailman-2.0.5 successfully and even created a test list .. the 
problem is that when i try to subscribe to this test list, the 
confirmation email comes from a blank address (there is no from: field in 
the email!) and hence i am not able to reply to confirm subscription...!! 
what did i miss ?? please help!!

thanks,

farhan.

-- 

Farhan Ahmed
Project Leader - FreeLinuxTraining.org
Opaquenetworks
farhan at enawabs.com






From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Mar 20 20:28:20 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:28:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing Header Info 
In-Reply-To: Message from Z1test@earthlink.net 
   of "Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:12:46 CST." <3C98447E.3282.B504A8@localhost> 
References: <3C98447E.3282.B504A8@localhost> 
Message-ID: <18096.1016652500@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:12:46 -0600 
Z1test  <Z1test at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Is there anyway to remove the mailto links at the top of each message?
> I've looked in the options, and if it is there I miss it.

See the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From bob at nleaudio.com  Wed Mar 20 21:12:42 2002
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:12:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ORBZ is shutting down
Message-ID: <3C98ED3A.EF0D1C90@nleaudio.com>

Just an aside for those who used ORBZ to help stop spam from entering their system.

http://derf.cc/orbz_shutdown.txt

Bob



From stacho at ta.sk  Wed Mar 20 21:05:06 2002
From: stacho at ta.sk (Tibor Stacho [ TiSt ])
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:05:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on debian with postfix problem
Message-ID: <20020320200505.GB8160@napri.sk>

hi ... 

I'm totaly new in this but I have some problems with mailman 


I was install package on debian linux after that I was make some changes on
apache config and all apache part of mailman is working ok 

in postfix I was in /etc/postfix/virtual make that all mails comming to groups
are pasted in to /var/mail/list 

to user list I was add crontabs from distribution .. 

and now my problem is that all mails which come to list lest in
/var/mail/list 

and no script from crontab dont make nothing with this ;( .. can anybody tell
me where is problem ?

	    Tibor 

-- 
*********************************************************************
I'm the hand up Mona Lisa's skirt.



From cls at pk.greens.org  Wed Mar 20 23:56:21 2002
From: cls at pk.greens.org (cls at pk.greens.org)
Date: 20 Mar 2002 22:56:21 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no forwarding, how to debug?
Message-ID: <20020320225621.28467.qmail@pk.greens.org>


I've just installed 2.0.8.  I used the installation instructions
that come with the source, and Dave Sill's _Qmail Handbook_.
The Web admin interface works.  It sends welcome messages
to new subscribers.

If I select DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail' no messages are forwarded
at all.  I tried replacing /usr/lib/sendmail with a program that
simply logs its environment, arguments, and standard input
into a debug file.  It is never invoked at all.

If I select DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' messages to 
subscribers on the local host are delivered.  Messages to
subscribers on other hosts are not.  /usr/lib/sendmail is
not being invoked.

In either case, messages sent to the list posting address appear
in the Web archive.  They are going into Mailman and not coming out.

The logs are not helpful.  Each failed delivery produces
a line in logs/bounce that says
<date> (<pid>) <listname>: <subscriber> - 3 more allowed over 431276 secs
but there is no hint of what was attempted or why it failed.
logs/error is empty.
My system allows relaying from localhost and its own routable address.
If a relay attempt fails, it's logged.  There is no relay attempt.

I would like to get more debug information.  Is there a switch somewhere
for that?
Is it mentioned anywhere in the documentation?

I would like to know what program Mailman is invoking, and what
arguments it passes.  Is that written down anywhere?
How can I find out what Mailman is doing?

When I get this working I will inform the relevant documentation
maintainers.

TIA


Cameron




From bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com  Thu Mar 21 13:20:33 2002
From: bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com (Stephane Bortzmeyer)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:20:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] migrating Mailman
In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20020301111739.00a3fab0@storm>
References: <3.0.1.32.20020301111739.00a3fab0@storm>
Message-ID: <20020321122033.GA25131@staff.netaktiv.com>

On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 11:17:39AM -0800,
 Anna Fong <anna at water.ca.gov> wrote 
 a message of 20 lines which said:

> I remember reading a post a while ago about migrating a Mailman list from
> one server to another, but I can't find it through search.python.org
> Anyone know how I can find it?

Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] [Beginner] Moving a mailing list to another machine  
From: Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com>
To: mailman-users at python.org
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:53:22 +0100
Organization: NetAktiv
X-URL: http://www.netaktiv.com/
X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 3.0
X-Kernel: Linux 2.4.17 i686
X-BeenThere: mailman-users at python.org

On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 10:51:49AM +0100,
 Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com> wrote
 a message of 14 lines which said:

> I'm trying to move many lists from one machine to another. Is it
> sufficient to move /var/lib/mailman/lists and
> /var/lib/mailman/archives and the aliases file or are there other
> things I should take care of?

Well, noone replied but I tried and apparently it works. Pay attention
to owner/protections and do not forget to read the error log file
afterwards.


------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From damir at voljatel.si  Thu Mar 21 15:50:59 2002
From: damir at voljatel.si (Damir Horvat)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:50:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix acting dead
Message-ID: <20020321155059.226bcfbc.damir@voljatel.si>

Hello!

I've setuped mailman (from versions 2.0.7 to 2.1b1) on a machine which
runs postfix 1.1.5.

A dozent times!!!

Every single time, setup went well, but when creating new list, postfix
mail logs didn't move and inch!!!

Nothing gets mailed. nada. zip.

I don't have any ideas any more.


maybe you have.

thanks in advance.

Damir



From ryan at pacificommultimedia.com  Thu Mar 21 15:53:35 2002
From: ryan at pacificommultimedia.com (Ryan Hagan)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:53:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email subscription confirm not working and no posts going
 through
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020321093723.00a85338@mail.pacificommultimedia.com>

Greetings,

OS:     Debian
MTA:    Postfix
MM ver: 2.0.8

I've seen this problem in the archives, but I've never seen it actually get 
resolved.  The problem I'm having is as follows:

*Users can go to Mailman page to enter subscription address
*That user gets an email from Mailman asking for confirmation
*User sends confirmation
*According to logs: MTA gets confirmation and sends it to mailman
         status=sent ("|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test")

 From here on, it's a mystery.  The only thing I see in the logs is the 
following:
         subscription: test: pending ryan at pacificommultimedia.com  <MYIPADDR>
         smtp: (7216) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.291 seconds

There are no errors.

OK, so most of the time I'll be subscribing user's myself through the web 
interface.  So I'm not too concerned about the ability to subscribe, but 
more disturbing is that I can't actually send mail through the list.  The 
same stuff happens:

*Subscribed user sends mail to "test at pacificommultimedia.com"
*According to logs: MTA gets confirmation and sends it to mailman
         status=sent ("|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test")

Again, nothing happens after this.  Any ideas?  Please and thank you!


Ryan Hagan
Pacificom Multimedia
ryan at pacificommultimedia.com




From khuckaby at directi.net  Thu Mar 21 16:13:31 2002
From: khuckaby at directi.net (Kelly Huckaby)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:13:31 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] plain text, MIME & AOL
Message-ID: <IOEJIGJFGNFOCOHGFIIBOELOCDAA.khuckaby@directi.net>

I just joined this list today because I am having some problems with my list
administration. I am not the person who installed Mailman on our system -
I'm just someone who has hosted a site and my host company offers Mailman as
a list service.

I set up a list, and some of the members have chosen to receive digests. By
default everyone was set up for plain text. Those receiving digest who chose
plain text were receiving all of the coding in their messages, making it
hard to read the actual messages. I switched them all off of plain text and
those using Hotmail are now receiving the digests perfectly. But, the AOL
members have it worse!

Is there a fix for this? Is there something the AOL users can do at their
end?
Any suggestions are appreciated.

Kelly H.

The HOME Writer
http://www.wrwa.net/khuckaby/




From anna at water.ca.gov  Thu Mar 21 18:10:53 2002
From: anna at water.ca.gov (Anna Fong)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:10:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] migrating Mailman
In-Reply-To: <20020321122033.GA25131@staff.netaktiv.com>
References: <3.0.1.32.20020301111739.00a3fab0@storm>
 <3.0.1.32.20020301111739.00a3fab0@storm>
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020321091053.00a6d280@storm>

Hi Stephane,

Thanks for your reply.  I had much trouble when I tried it -- I was
migrating to another version on another machine owned by someone else, so
updating the path info was critical.  The move_list utility was suppose to
update the config.db but it didn't work correctly.  I've moved my
non-critical lists by starting with a new list and then dropping in the
/archives and /lists files for each but am hesitating on moving my one
critical list -- I really don't want to start from scratch with that one.




At 01:20 PM 03/21/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 11:17:39AM -0800,
> Anna Fong <anna at water.ca.gov> wrote 
> a message of 20 lines which said:
>
>> I remember reading a post a while ago about migrating a Mailman list from
>> one server to another, but I can't find it through search.python.org
>> Anyone know how I can find it?
>
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] [Beginner] Moving a mailing list to another
machine  
>From: Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com>
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:53:22 +0100
>Organization: NetAktiv
>X-URL: http://www.netaktiv.com/
>X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 3.0
>X-Kernel: Linux 2.4.17 i686
>X-BeenThere: mailman-users at python.org
>
>On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 10:51:49AM +0100,
> Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com> wrote
> a message of 14 lines which said:
>
>> I'm trying to move many lists from one machine to another. Is it
>> sufficient to move /var/lib/mailman/lists and
>> /var/lib/mailman/archives and the aliases file or are there other
>> things I should take care of?
>
>Well, noone replied but I tried and apparently it works. Pay attention
>to owner/protections and do not forget to read the error log file
>afterwards.
>
>

--------------------------------------------------------

Anna Q. Fong, Webmaster	
California Data Exchange Center	




From adam-mailman at quacky.co.uk  Thu Mar 21 20:50:14 2002
From: adam-mailman at quacky.co.uk (Adam Curtin)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:50:14 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] digester not being mailed, and admin not getting notice of disablings
Message-ID: <02032119501422.30428@yellow>

Hi,

We migrated a 300-user list from majordomo at another site, to our server 
with mailman (on linux & qmail).

All is great, except for two problems with bouncy addresses:

1) even though it's set to "disable and notify me" when the bounciness is 
exceeded, it disables but *doesn't* notify me. As you can imagine, this is 
a problem for subscribers with temporary faults;

2) a digester who was disabled in this way, complained, and who I 
un-disabled, has now reported that they haven't received any digests since 
that time (over a week).

I poked around in the mailman logs, and can't see anything that indicates 
why. The qmail logs show that mailman has not attempted to send mail to 
the user since the disablement - though it records my mail sending him an 
apology, so it's not like qmail doesn't like him.

Any ideas? Any more investigation I can do?

Thanks,
A.
-- 
http://www.adamanda.org/



From dreamboy at aros.net  Thu Mar 21 22:40:11 2002
From: dreamboy at aros.net (Devin Atencio)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:40:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Differences Between Mailman vs Majordomo
Message-ID: <HPELJEHMNBKHOOGCDOFNOEIJCFAA.dreamboy@aros.net>

I just got mailman installed on one of my work
servers and my boss wants to know the differences
between Mailman and Majordomo? Is there something
that someone has already done showing the differences?

Devin Atencio



From carlz at loa.com  Thu Mar 21 23:05:00 2002
From: carlz at loa.com (Carl Zemke)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:05:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limiting list member size
Message-ID: <01b701c1d124$720b8530$08e966ce@noc1>

Is there any way with the latest stable version ( 2.0.8 ) to limit the size of a member list?


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From simon at coles.to  Thu Mar 21 23:06:05 2002
From: simon at coles.to (Simon Coles)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:06:05 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with the dreaded mail GIDs
Message-ID: <18930330.1016748365@[192.168.1.150]>

Hi,

I've been trying for the past couple of evenings to get Mailman working on 
my system - its a RedHat 7.1 machine with the Ensim control panel installed 
(not that I wanted Ensim; but I don't think it matters for this).

My sendmail.cf has the following in:

  O DefaultUser=8:12

So I configure Mailman with:

./configure --with-cgi-gid="www www-data apache nobody" --with-mail-gid="12"

And then I do
  make clean;make install

When I try to post to a list, I get

Mar 21 16:55:00 ensim sendmail[11168]: g2LLt0o11167: 
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner outlook-03-2002", 
ctladdr=<outlook-03-2002-admin at mailman.coles.org.uk> (8/0), delay=00:00:00, 
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=138400, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Operating system 
error

And the mail is left in the queue with "Operating system error"

If I su to "mail", I can invoke from the command line

  /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner outlook-03-2002

Just fine. If I su to nobody (or anyone else) it gives an error message 
about the wrong GID.

I've tried different --with-mail-gid options, including:
  - "mail"
  - "mail, nobody"
  - "12, 99, 0"

If you give it multiple values, the configure script seems to pay attention 
only to the last one; the installation instructions seem to imply you can 
have multiple values for this field.


I'm going mad here; does anyone have any tips? I appreciate its probably a 
simple configuration error, but I'm getting to despair :-(.


Many thanks for any help,




Simon

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Simon J. Coles                                   Email: simon at coles.to
=============== Life is too precious to take seriously ===============



From jonc at haht.com  Thu Mar 21 23:29:32 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:29:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with the dreaded mail GIDs
References: <18930330.1016748365@[192.168.1.150]>
Message-ID: <014c01c1d127$dfa35e80$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Is your system using "smrsh"?  If so, you will have to put a link in the
/etc/smrsh directory for /home/mailman//mail/wrapper.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon Coles" <simon at coles.to>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 5:06 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with the dreaded mail GIDs


> Hi,
>
> I've been trying for the past couple of evenings to get Mailman working on
> my system - its a RedHat 7.1 machine with the Ensim control panel
installed
> (not that I wanted Ensim; but I don't think it matters for this).
>
> My sendmail.cf has the following in:
>
>   O DefaultUser=8:12
>
> So I configure Mailman with:
>
> ./configure --with-cgi-gid="www www-data apache
nobody" --with-mail-gid="12"
>
> And then I do
>   make clean;make install
>
> When I try to post to a list, I get
>
> Mar 21 16:55:00 ensim sendmail[11168]: g2LLt0o11167:
> to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner outlook-03-2002",
> ctladdr=<outlook-03-2002-admin at mailman.coles.org.uk> (8/0),
delay=00:00:00,
> xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=138400, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Operating system
> error
>
> And the mail is left in the queue with "Operating system error"
>
> If I su to "mail", I can invoke from the command line
>
>   /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner outlook-03-2002
>
> Just fine. If I su to nobody (or anyone else) it gives an error message
> about the wrong GID.
>
> I've tried different --with-mail-gid options, including:
>   - "mail"
>   - "mail, nobody"
>   - "12, 99, 0"
>
> If you give it multiple values, the configure script seems to pay
attention
> only to the last one; the installation instructions seem to imply you can
> have multiple values for this field.
>
>
> I'm going mad here; does anyone have any tips? I appreciate its probably a
> simple configuration error, but I'm getting to despair :-(.
>
>
> Many thanks for any help,
>
>
>
>
> Simon
>




From jonc at haht.com  Thu Mar 21 23:33:40 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:33:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limiting list member size
References: <01b701c1d124$720b8530$08e966ce@noc1>
Message-ID: <015701c1d128$7312e640$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Run a nightly script that counts the number of users on each list and send
warnings to the admins, or simply resyncs the lists minus any excess
members.  At that point, you can also have the script change the config on
the file so that all new members must be approved by the admin, and then
change the admin password for the list.  Ahh but it can be a cruel world.

Look in ~mailman/bin for command line files that will help you build such a
script easily.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Carl Zemke
  To: mailman-users at python.org
  Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 5:05 PM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limiting list member size


  Is there any way with the latest stable version ( 2.0.8 ) to limit the
size of a member list?



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From fred at bytesforall.org  Tue Mar 19 21:57:58 2002
From: fred at bytesforall.org (Frederick Noronha)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 02:27:58 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commands via email is (still) a good idea...
In-Reply-To: <E16nG66-0000NJ-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203200227430.611-100000@localhost.localdomain>

i Ed, I agree with most of your views.

(i) Like you, I'm shifting over from Majordomo. While I find Mailman great
(and affordable, important for us in a Third World country like India), I
wish I could manage more tasks via email. With bandwidth being costly and
slow here, one has to wait maybe upto a day or two to visit the web from a
fast cybercafe to carry out some admin tasks.

(ii) You raised an important point: maybe Mailman would be more useful if it
had a "block all attachments" option. This would avoid virus... we still
have Windows-based readers on our lists ;-)

(iii) Some other features that would mail Mailman great (a) option for
listmembers to share files, have online voice chats and share a group
calendar -- like yahoogroups.com (b) easy shiftover from one server to
another, when required (c) a good book that explains Mailman... maybe an
independent author could be tempted into doing this.

Where I disagree is with your slight impatience. C'mon guys, this is
volunteer work. I'm grateful for what I've already got... (though fishing
for more!). FN

PS: Is there a listing somewhere of lists that run on Mailman?
--
Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa * India 832.409490 / 409783
BYTESFORALL www.bytesforall.org  * GNU-LINUX http://linuxinindia.pitas.com
Email fred at bytesforall.org * SMS 9822122436 at attcell.net * Saligao Goa India
Writing with a difference... on what makes *the* difference

---------------Ed Howard commented earlier:-----------------------

I sent the following to mailman-users at python.org but nobody commented   :-)

I am new to Mailman, which I like on the whole, having used Majordomo, and 
have been reading this mailing list (as a digest), which is really useful 
(but see 3) thank you.

1. I would like e-mail commands to do my admindb approvals. Is there any 
way? (not the user requests, I know about that).

2. In a moderated list posting, how can I tell if the messages (perhaps 
with an attachment or embedded content) is virus free? The only way I can 
think of is to have each message sent to my address for checking when it 
arrives at the mailing list server, which does not check for viruses.

3. Our private list members are people we know and converting from 
Majordomo to Mailman 2.0.8 I have to keep a separate record of the name and 
e-mail. Any workarounds to capture this info?

I am told version 2.1 is addressing this but I wonder how long will I have 
to wait for that?

Edward Howard 





From online at islamway.com  Wed Mar 20 14:49:33 2002
From: online at islamway.com (IslamWay.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:49:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A problem
Message-ID: <000f01c1d016$21a9d240$4056723e@arabfccxkh82x8>

Hi,

first of all I'd like to than you for such a great service (MAIL-MAN).

I've installed Mailman in my server, and put all the Mailing list for our team workers in it. However I'm facing a problem now with dumping the emails of the mailing list into a text file so I can save it as a backup. My main mailing list consists of 65,000 emails and the roster service from the http didn't work.

Is there is a way I can dump my database of connections into a text file (with addres per line) ?

Please let me know
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From jeffp at studiotheatre.org  Wed Mar 20 22:27:06 2002
From: jeffp at studiotheatre.org (Jeff Poretsky)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:27:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron error message.
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020320154734.00ab46d0@pop.toadmail.com>

I expect that this has a lot to do with my messed up setup of my new debian 
system...

crom is sending me a message:

2002-03-20 16:23:02 16nm7P-0003tn-00 Neither the system_aliases director 
nor the
+address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery of
+|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post rm-chat


and i can't seem to get to my lists.

on the old system the url was http://generalist.org/mailman/admin/(lists)

the new test list i created is in 
http://generalist.org/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/test

if i put cgi-bin in the path for my old lists i can see them but cannot do 
anything with them.

old system was a rh6.2, postfix
new is debian exim

Thanks

Jeff Poretsky

jeffp at generalist.org




From mary.y.wang at boeing.com  Thu Mar 21 18:10:19 2002
From: mary.y.wang at boeing.com (Wang, Mary Y)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:10:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URL Line Wrap
Message-ID: <9C2F3AD0B86DC94B987EC4FB97C7A3240239F4CD@XCH-SW-08.sw.nos.boeing.com>

Hi,
When I send a message w/ a URL that wraps to more than one line, and the URL
gets truncated and no longer works.
Is there a configuration file that I can change that?
Is there a configuration file that I can change the number of characters per
line?

Thanks in advance.



Mary 
(562) 797-1545



From Hiromi at ABL.ORG  Thu Mar 21 23:53:18 2002
From: Hiromi at ABL.ORG (ABL -Hiromi)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:53:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question re: Mailman
Message-ID: <9B67D695386AD411B10500508B9ADD492438E4@63-206-146-21.ded.pacbell.net>

I have questions re: the Mailman email mailing list program.
 
This is what I need/what I'm looking for: two-way mail where an
administrator can control who is on the distribution list.  I'd really like
it to be linked to a password.  
 
ABL is a membership organization and I'd like to offer this as a value-add
service, however, I would need to insure that only our Members would be able
to access the distribution.
 
Any information you have that might help me would be very much appreciated.
 
Thanks!
 
Warmest Regards,
 
Hiromi Hiraoka
Manager, Member Services and Development
ABL Organization
www.abl.org <http://www.abl.org/> 
Phone: (714) 245-1431
 
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From alex at phred.org  Fri Mar 22 01:19:22 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:19:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commands via email is (still) a good idea...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203200227430.611-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20020321161821.S8834-100000@phred.org>

On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Frederick Noronha wrote:
> (ii) You raised an important point: maybe Mailman would be more useful if it
> had a "block all attachments" option. This would avoid virus... we still
> have Windows-based readers on our lists ;-)

There are filters available which do this for you (and this is
covered in teh FAQ).  I wrote one of these filters, and you
can find it at http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html

alex




From carlz at loa.com  Fri Mar 22 01:31:20 2002
From: carlz at loa.com (Carl Zemke)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:31:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A problem
References: <000f01c1d016$21a9d240$4056723e@arabfccxkh82x8>
Message-ID: <000401c1d13a$4cd7bd40$0500a8c0@zemke.net>

if you have shell access to the server try ~mailman/bin/list_members [-o file] [-r] [-d] [-p] [-h] listname

you can save it to a file to back it up.

Hope this helped,
Carl
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: IslamWay.com 
  To: mailman-users at python.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 8:49 AM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] A problem


  Hi,

  first of all I'd like to than you for such a great service (MAIL-MAN).

  I've installed Mailman in my server, and put all the Mailing list for our team workers in it. However I'm facing a problem now with dumping the emails of the mailing list into a text file so I can save it as a backup. My main mailing list consists of 65,000 emails and the roster service from the http didn't work.

  Is there is a way I can dump my database of connections into a text file (with addres per line) ?

  Please let me know
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From jleach at mail.ocis.net  Fri Mar 22 03:22:05 2002
From: jleach at mail.ocis.net (Jason C. Leach)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:22:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default Domains.
In-Reply-To: <E16o5wD-0003P6-00@mail.python.org>; from mailman-users-request@python.org on Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 12:01:17PM -0500
References: <E16o5wD-0003P6-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <20020321182205.G370@yukon.drivingbeat.com>

hi,

What file do I edit to change the default domains used by MailMan? Currently
it uses http://bla.domain.com, and I need that to be http://www.domain.com/
same with the email domain.

Thanks,
jason.

-- 
......................
..... Jason C. Leach
.. 

PGP/GPG Public key at http://www.keyserver.net/
Key ID: 1CF6DA85

 



From fred at bytesforall.org  Fri Mar 22 03:30:49 2002
From: fred at bytesforall.org (Frederick Noronha)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:00:49 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Handling HTML mail...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203220759430.611-100000@localhost.localdomain>

Increasingly, a lot of (Windows, specially) mail is being sent out in HTML
too. Is there some way Mailman could strip this please? FN
PS: Below is a note from a friend who is helping us set up and run the
lists.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
----- Original Message ----- 
To: "Shiv Kumar" <shivkumar at satyam.net.in>
Cc: <mark at symonds.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 11:49 PM
Subject: Kind attn Mark: problem with india-ej


Hiyas,

> -------------------
> > rico, just discovered a problem in india-ej. the individual mail
> options
> > come in nicely, but the digest option in plain text format comes
> with a lot
> > extra characters like when html matter has been converted into plain
> text.
> 
> Mark, Sorry to trouble you with this. Any idea what I do to sort the
> problem? Should digest mail go out in mime?

No worries - basically yes, tell them mime for now.  That and perhaps
request that people not send in HTML ... as far as I know mailman 
doesn't have any mechanism for stripping all the tags, website code
can be too complex nowadays.

Tell them plain text or at worst, mime!  :)

-- 
Mark





From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Fri Mar 22 04:24:01 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:24:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Handling HTML mail...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203220759430.611-100000@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203220759430.611-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20020322032401.GC30850@hq.newdream.net>

Frederick Noronha wrote:

> Increasingly, a lot of (Windows, specially) mail is being sent out in HTML
> too. Is there some way Mailman could strip this please? FN
> PS: Below is a note from a friend who is helping us set up and run the
> lists.

read the mailman faq.
use a utility like stripmime or demime to remove the HTML / other mime
gunk first.

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Mar 22 06:27:26 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:27:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Handling HTML mail... 
In-Reply-To: Message from Frederick Noronha <fred@bytesforall.org> 
   of "Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:00:49 +0530." <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203220759430.611-100000@localhost.localdomain> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203220759430.611-100000@localhost.localdomain> 
Message-ID: <20171.1016774846@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:00:49 +0530 (IST) 
Frederick Noronha <fred at bytesforall.org> wrote:

> Increasingly, a lot of (Windows, specially) mail is being sent out in
> HTML too. Is there some way Mailman could strip this please? 

See the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From jessica at anticlockwise.com  Fri Mar 22 08:20:17 2002
From: jessica at anticlockwise.com (Jessica Koeppel)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:20:17 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem accessing mailman over ssh port tunnel
Message-ID: <20020322072022.7B13092@lenin.anticlockwise.com>

This might be more of an apache configuration thing, but
I'm not sure. It actually feels a bit more like a mailman thing.

I have mailman installed on machine "mail2.foo.com".
There's an alias for the machine, "lists.foo.com".

I have apache configured so that when you come in to
the server with http://lists.foo.com, you get
the /mailman/listinfo page.

>From home, I then set up an ssh tunnel like this -L 8080:lists.foo.com:80

If I go to http://localhost:8080/mailman/admin I see what
I expect to - I get the list of lists, the regular administrative
interface page I expect.

But, If I go to http://localhost:8080/mailman/listinfo,
or if I just go to http://localhost:8080

I get a very default mailman listinfo page with no publicly-advertised
lists "on localhost:8080".

How is it that the admin page is working right but the listinfo
page isn't?

Anyone know the answer to this? I'll keep looking into it and will
let you know if I figure it out first, but I figured I'd ask here
in case anyone happens to know.

Thanks,

--jessica




From jessica at anticlockwise.com  Fri Mar 22 08:26:54 2002
From: jessica at anticlockwise.com (Jessica Koeppel)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:26:54 -0800
Subject: Answer to my own question (Re: [Mailman-Users] problem accessing mailman over ssh port tunnel)
In-Reply-To: Message from Jessica Koeppel <jessica@anticlockwise.com> 
   of "Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:20:17 PST." <20020322072022.7B13092@lenin.anticlockwise.com> 
Message-ID: <20020322072659.4F1CF92@lenin.anticlockwise.com>

I figured it out myself (by looking in the listinfo code to see
what it did). Found the VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW setting. Changed
that to "0", and I get the behaviour I want now.

--jessica

Jessica Koeppel wrote:
>
>This might be more of an apache configuration thing, but
>I'm not sure. It actually feels a bit more like a mailman thing.
>
>I have mailman installed on machine "mail2.foo.com".
>There's an alias for the machine, "lists.foo.com".
>
>I have apache configured so that when you come in to
>the server with http://lists.foo.com, you get
>the /mailman/listinfo page.
>
>From home, I then set up an ssh tunnel like this -L 8080:lists.foo.com:80
>
>If I go to http://localhost:8080/mailman/admin I see what
>I expect to - I get the list of lists, the regular administrative
>interface page I expect.
>
>But, If I go to http://localhost:8080/mailman/listinfo,
>or if I just go to http://localhost:8080
>
>I get a very default mailman listinfo page with no publicly-advertised
>lists "on localhost:8080".
>
>How is it that the admin page is working right but the listinfo
>page isn't?
>
>Anyone know the answer to this? I'll keep looking into it and will
>let you know if I figure it out first, but I figured I'd ask here
>in case anyone happens to know.
>
>Thanks,
>
>--jessica



From ral at codewan.com.ph  Fri Mar 22 09:03:12 2002
From: ral at codewan.com.ph (lito a. lampitoc)
Date: 22 Mar 2002 16:03:12 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
In-Reply-To: <01c201c1d034$d3dce330$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <7D6B2870025DD511B03900A0C9E8ACAB05F911F6@whmsx5.is.bear.com>
	<E16ndu4-0008T8-00@mail.python.org> 
	<01c201c1d034$d3dce330$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <1016784193.1401.74.camel@stn110>

This kind of solution doesnt seem to work for me, although I have very
similar  problem. btw, I'm running mailman on Solaris 2.6 with Senmail
Version Switch-2.0.1 and Sun bind 4.


On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 01:29, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Is the Masquerading option turned on in your sendmail.cf?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JvdW" <r2d2 at yebo.co.za>
> To: "Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange)" <ari at bear.com>; "mailman-users"
> <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 6:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
> 
> 
> > My DNS is set up so that hostname.domain.com points to a A record. The
> > virtual domain, mylist.anotherdomain.com is also set up with a A record
> > pointing to the machines ip. No cnames. What bothers me is the fact that
> if I
> > change the "This list" or "Explicit address" to anything other than to
> > domains set up in sendmail.cw then the reply to address is exactly what I
> > specified. The reply to poster also works fine.
> >
> > l8r
> > JvdW
> >
> > On Tuesday 19 March 2002 17:47, Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange) wrote:
> > > It depends on how the virtual host name is defined.  If it is a CNAME
> > > pointing to the actual host name then sendmail, and many other MTAs,
> will
> > > change the name to the actual host name in the envelope (and sometimes
> in
> > > the header) From address.  If it is defined with an A record pointing to
> > > the same IP address as the other host name (or a virtual IP address of
> its
> > > own) then sendmail shouldn't be changing the From address.
> > >
> > > Ari
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Kelly Corbin [mailto:kcorbin at theiqgroup.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:37 AM
> > > To: JvdW; mailman-users
> > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
> > >
> > >
> > > It appears to be a Sendmail question.  I have the same problem, as well
> > > as many other people on this list.  If someone has a simple answer, it
> > > should go in the FAQ.  I did a lot of looking yesterday, but never found
> > > an answer.  Surely _someone_ has figured this out...
> > >
> > > JvdW wrote:
> > > > I do have the domain in "Host name this list prefers". Could this be a
> > > > sendmail issue?
> > > >
> > > > l8r
> > > > Jvdw
> > > >
> > > > On Tuesday 19 March 2002 16:50, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > > >>Web-admin interface, General options page, "Host name this list
> prefers"
> > > >>(near the bottom of the web page).
> > > >>Put in "lists.anotherdomain.com" (to use your info from message
> below).
> > > >>
> > > >>Jon Carnes
> > > >>----- Original Message -----
> > > >>From: "JvdW" <r2d2 at yebo.co.za>
> > > >>To: "Mailman - Mailinglist" <mailman-users at python.org>
> > > >>Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 3:41 AM
> > > >>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
> > > >>
> > > >>>Hi
> > > >>>
> > > >>>I've just installed mailman and using sendmail as the mta. I created
> a
> > > >>>testlist called testlist at mylist.domain.com(mylist.domain.com is what
> > > >>
> > > >>sendmail
> > > >>
> > > >>>is set up with as the default domain) which works fine as well as
> > > >>>list2 at lists.anotherdomain.com. As needed I added the
> > > >>
> > > >>lists.anotherdomain.com
> > > >>
> > > >>>to the sendmail.cw file so that sendmail knows it has to listen for
> for
> > > >>
> > > >>that
> > > >>
> > > >>>domain. All works well, but the problem I'm having is the reply to
> > > >>
> > > >>address.
> > > >>
> > > >>>When I set the list up so that the reply to address is the same as
> the
> > > >>
> > > >>list
> > > >>
> > > >>>name, the address I get is list2 at hostname.domain.com. If I use
> explicit
> > > >>>address and put the list2 at lists.anotherdomain.com in, it still shows
> > > >>>lists2 at hostname.domain.com, but if I put anything else in there like
> > > >>>johndoe at domain.com, the reply to address is exactly that. Hope this
> > > >>> makes sense... :)
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Any idea how I can fix this? I know that if you have the same
> listname
> > > >>> at different domains, then you have to set up another mailman server
> > > >>> for it,
> > > >>
> > > >>but
> > > >>
> > > >>>this is different list names at different domains.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Any help would be appreciated.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Regards
> > > >>>JvdW
> > > >>>
> > > >>>------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > >>>Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > >>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > >>>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > >>
> > > >>------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > >>Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > >>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 
-- 
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Foundation for Communication Initiatives		phone:+63(2)8941345
CodeWAN Project					http://www.codewan.com.ph
--
Things which matter most must not be in the mercy of things which
 matter least" - Goethe.




From r2d2 at yebo.co.za  Fri Mar 22 10:27:08 2002
From: r2d2 at yebo.co.za (JvdW)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:27:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
In-Reply-To: <01c201c1d034$d3dce330$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <7D6B2870025DD511B03900A0C9E8ACAB05F911F6@whmsx5.is.bear.com> <E16ndu4-0008T8-00@mail.python.org> <01c201c1d034$d3dce330$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <E16oLKu-0002kL-00@mail.python.org>

Yes it is. When I set masquerading to mylist.anotherdomain.com the reply to 
is still testlist at hostname.domain.com. When I set masquerading to just 
anotherdomain.com then the reply to is testlist at anotherdomain.com.  It's 
still not what I specified in the list manager as mylist.anotherdomain.com.

On Wednesday 20 March 2002 19:29, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Is the Masquerading option turned on in your sendmail.cf?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JvdW" <r2d2 at yebo.co.za>
> To: "Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange)" <ari at bear.com>; "mailman-users"
> <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 6:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
>
> > My DNS is set up so that hostname.domain.com points to a A record. The
> > virtual domain, mylist.anotherdomain.com is also set up with a A record
> > pointing to the machines ip. No cnames. What bothers me is the fact that
>
> if I
>
> > change the "This list" or "Explicit address" to anything other than to
> > domains set up in sendmail.cw then the reply to address is exactly what I
> > specified. The reply to poster also works fine.
> >
> > l8r
> > JvdW
> >
> > On Tuesday 19 March 2002 17:47, Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange) wrote:
> > > It depends on how the virtual host name is defined.  If it is a CNAME
> > > pointing to the actual host name then sendmail, and many other MTAs,
>
> will
>
> > > change the name to the actual host name in the envelope (and sometimes
>
> in
>
> > > the header) From address.  If it is defined with an A record pointing
> > > to the same IP address as the other host name (or a virtual IP address
> > > of
>
> its
>
> > > own) then sendmail shouldn't be changing the From address.
> > >
> > > Ari
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Kelly Corbin [mailto:kcorbin at theiqgroup.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:37 AM
> > > To: JvdW; mailman-users
> > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
> > >
> > >
> > > It appears to be a Sendmail question.  I have the same problem, as well
> > > as many other people on this list.  If someone has a simple answer, it
> > > should go in the FAQ.  I did a lot of looking yesterday, but never
> > > found an answer.  Surely _someone_ has figured this out...
> > >
> > > JvdW wrote:
> > > > I do have the domain in "Host name this list prefers". Could this be
> > > > a sendmail issue?
> > > >
> > > > l8r
> > > > Jvdw
> > > >
> > > > On Tuesday 19 March 2002 16:50, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > > >>Web-admin interface, General options page, "Host name this list
>
> prefers"
>
> > > >>(near the bottom of the web page).
> > > >>Put in "lists.anotherdomain.com" (to use your info from message
>
> below).
>
> > > >>Jon Carnes
> > > >>----- Original Message -----
> > > >>From: "JvdW" <r2d2 at yebo.co.za>
> > > >>To: "Mailman - Mailinglist" <mailman-users at python.org>
> > > >>Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 3:41 AM
> > > >>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
> > > >>
> > > >>>Hi
> > > >>>
> > > >>>I've just installed mailman and using sendmail as the mta. I created
>
> a
>
> > > >>>testlist called testlist at mylist.domain.com(mylist.domain.com is what
> > > >>
> > > >>sendmail
> > > >>
> > > >>>is set up with as the default domain) which works fine as well as
> > > >>>list2 at lists.anotherdomain.com. As needed I added the
> > > >>
> > > >>lists.anotherdomain.com
> > > >>
> > > >>>to the sendmail.cw file so that sendmail knows it has to listen for
>
> for
>
> > > >>that
> > > >>
> > > >>>domain. All works well, but the problem I'm having is the reply to
> > > >>
> > > >>address.
> > > >>
> > > >>>When I set the list up so that the reply to address is the same as
>
> the
>
> > > >>list
> > > >>
> > > >>>name, the address I get is list2 at hostname.domain.com. If I use
>
> explicit
>
> > > >>>address and put the list2 at lists.anotherdomain.com in, it still shows
> > > >>>lists2 at hostname.domain.com, but if I put anything else in there like
> > > >>>johndoe at domain.com, the reply to address is exactly that. Hope this
> > > >>> makes sense... :)
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Any idea how I can fix this? I know that if you have the same
>
> listname
>
> > > >>> at different domains, then you have to set up another mailman
> > > >>> server for it,
> > > >>
> > > >>but
> > > >>
> > > >>>this is different list names at different domains.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Any help would be appreciated.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Regards
> > > >>>JvdW
> > > >>>
> > > >>>------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > >>>Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > >>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > >>>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > >>
> > > >>------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > >>Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > >>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py



From r2d2 at yebo.co.za  Fri Mar 22 10:29:15 2002
From: r2d2 at yebo.co.za (JvdW)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:29:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another Q
Message-ID: <E16oLKv-0002kL-00@mail.python.org>

Is it possible to limit a mailing list to sending only one or two 
postings/day/week?

l8r
JvdW



From hellozappy2k at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 22 15:48:53 2002
From: hellozappy2k at yahoo.com (sunny)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:48:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help required - subscribe through email does not work
Message-ID: <20020322144853.16929.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com>

I am running mailman ver 2.08 on solaris 2.8, the
problem is when i want to subscribe tru email it does
not work how do i make it work??
i am sending an email to techlist-request at mydom.com,
with empty subject and "subscribe" in the body. pls
help me what do i need to do to make it work?
TIA
Regs
DK

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards?
http://movies.yahoo.com/



From hellozappy2k at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 22 15:51:42 2002
From: hellozappy2k at yahoo.com (sunny)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:51:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help required - removing MIME in archives!
Message-ID: <20020322145142.683.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com>

I am running mailman ver 2.08 on solaris 2.8, 
Is there any utility where i can only remove the mime
part from the archive and still allow MIME emails to
the group, because it is a need to send some MIME
attachments to the group.'
TIA
Regs
DK.

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards?
http://movies.yahoo.com/



From hellozappy2k at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 22 15:58:54 2002
From: hellozappy2k at yahoo.com (sunny)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:58:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help required - HTML default frame
Message-ID: <20020322145854.26973.qmail@web13503.mail.yahoo.com>

I am running mailman ver 2.08 on solaris 2.8, 

I have set up my mailman webserver and is accessble
using http://lists.mydom.com and here in the main
page, i have made it to display a frame based page
where on the TOP frame my company's logo and the
department the server belongs will be displayed and
the Bottom(the BIG) frame the -
http://lists.mydom.com/mailman/listinfo is made to
appear, 
now the problem is when a moderator gets an email
he/she clicks on the URL sent in the email
(http://lists.mydom.com/mailman/admin/techlist) then
my  company's page is not displayed?? how to make it
appear which ever the link you directly access it
should display that in a frame. I am running apache
server on Solaris 2.8.

TIA,
Regs
DK

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards?
http://movies.yahoo.com/



From skip at pobox.com  Fri Mar 22 16:16:11 2002
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:16:11 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stripmime.pl doesn't?
Message-ID: <15515.19131.916851.757906@12-248-41-177.client.attbi.com>

I'm running Mailman 2.0.8.  I just installed Alex Wetmore's stripmime.pl
script today (including chmod +x), modified /etc/mail/aliases (I run
sendmail) like so:

    thelist: "|/usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post thelist"

reran newaliases and added the necessary symlink to /etc/smrsh.  I then sent
five test messages to the list using XEmacs+VM 6.96.  Test #1 was plain
text.  Tests 2, 3, and 4 had a plain text section and a single small html
attachment.  Test 5 had a plain text section and three html attachments.

Viewing a generated plain text digest I can't see that stripmime.pl did
anything.  None of the five messages was lost, but none appear to have been
altered in any way.  Am I perhaps missing something?  I thought it's main
thing was to zap HTML attachments.

Thx,

-- 
Skip Montanaro (skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/)



From mlslists at creativethinkinginc.com  Fri Mar 22 18:36:12 2002
From: mlslists at creativethinkinginc.com (Matt Shirel)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:36:12 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restoring Mailman
Message-ID: <GHELIBHPAHINGEFDONGLAENACFAA.mlslists@creativethinkinginc.com>

Hi,

I admin a server (RH 7.2 running postfix and mailman 2.0.8 w/ htdig patches)
that was hacked sometime in the past week.  I've got the "infected" system
offline and I'm preparing to do a full re-install since I currently don't
trust anything.

What is the best procedure for recovering the mailman lists and archives
after the re-install?  (I've tarred the /var/mailman directories and set
them aside.)  Should I pull list configurations/users before I blow the
system away?

Thanks for the help.

MATT





From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Mar 22 18:52:19 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:52:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Restoring Mailman
References: <GHELIBHPAHINGEFDONGLAENACFAA.mlslists@creativethinkinginc.com>
Message-ID: <3C9B6F53.BD54869E@pcraft.com>

Matt Shirel wrote:

> and I'm preparing to do a full re-install since I currently don't
> trust anything.

    Good choice.


> What is the best procedure for recovering the mailman lists and archives
> after the re-install?  (I've tarred the /var/mailman directories and set
> them aside.)  Should I pull list configurations/users before I blow the
> system away?

    You *shouldn't* have to.  Don't forget your webserver and postfix
configurations as well.  When you do recover the lists, don't forget to check
permissions.

--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.






From alex at phred.org  Fri Mar 22 18:54:45 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:54:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: stripmime.pl doesn't?
In-Reply-To: <15515.19131.916851.757906@12-248-41-177.client.attbi.com>
Message-ID: <20020322095124.Q8834-100000@phred.org>

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> Viewing a generated plain text digest I can't see that stripmime.pl did
> anything.  None of the five messages was lost, but none appear to have been
> altered in any way.  Am I perhaps missing something?  I thought it's main
> thing was to zap HTML attachments.

It does.

For testing purposes you can run HTML enabled message through it
without involving sendmail.  This is one of my test messages:

[phred:p5] ~ % cat mimehtml | perl www/stripmime.pl
>From alex at phred.org  Thu Jan 20 12:20:54 2000
Received: from AWETMOREDEV (root at localhost [127.0.0.1])
        by phred.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA17923
        for <alex at phred.org>; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:20:53 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <003b01bf6383$a5e86640$01fa3b9d at AWETMOREDEV>
From: "alex wetmore" <alex at phred.org>
To: <alex at phred.org>
Subject: HTML encoded
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:19:25 -0800
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600
X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"

This is foobar

This is a file:



--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---
multipart/mixed
  multipart/alternative
    text/plain (text body -- kept)
    text/html
  application/octet-stream
---

If that works then something is wrong with the way you have installed
it with your MTA.  I can't do anything to help with MTA installation,
since that varies so much depending on what software and OS you are
using.

I put a copy of my mimehtml test message online at
http://www.phred.org/~alex/mimehtml

alex




From ryan at pacificommultimedia.com  Fri Mar 22 19:04:22 2002
From: ryan at pacificommultimedia.com (Ryan Hagan)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:04:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] One-click unsubscribe?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020322124705.00af6c60@mail.pacificommultimedia.com>

Greetings,

First of all, thanks to everyone who helped me solve my last problem, you 
were a big help and I finally got Mailman up and running smoothly.

Now, I'm setting up a list for the press.  We send out monthly press 
releases, but believe it or not, there are organizations out there that 
don't necessarily want to get our releases every month (yeah, surprised me 
too).  So, what I want to do is to provide a way for these organizations to 
"unsubscribe" from the list with the single click of the mouse.  Okay, two 
clicks would be fine too.

Now, I don't REALLY want them to unsubscribe, what I want to do is set the 
"nomail" option to "on" for their email address.  The reason for this is 
that sometimes, somehow, an organization that chooses to unsubscribe may be 
added back to the list at a later date...it happens, trust me.  They'd be 
mighty ticked off if two months after they unsubscribed they were back 
on.  I know, because I've gotten unhappy, less than flattering emails from 
organizations where this has happened in the past.  I'd like to avoid such 
unpleasantness in the future.

My first attempt nearly worked, but not quite.  I set this link in the 
press release:
<a href="mailto:news-request at pacificommultimedia.com?subject=set nomail on 
<pass>?body=--">unsubscribe</a>

This works fine for Eurdra users, but not Outlook users because that email 
client doesn't recognize the "body" tag.  The subject looks like this:
set nomail on <pass>?body=--

This works (insofar as the nomail option was properly set), but returns an 
error to the user's email and I'm afraid that they may not realize that 
they've actually been removed and complain loudly. =(

If I don't have the "?body=--" in there, and the user has a signature, once 
again they get errors from mailman (even though the operation was successful).

So, does anyone know a good way to provide this "one click" removal from a 
list?  I'm not too concerned about HOW to do it, just so long as it gets 
done.  If I need to create a web page/perl script, that's fine.  Thanks a ton!


Ryan Hagan
Pacificom Multimedia
ryan at pacificommultimedia.com




From skip at pobox.com  Fri Mar 22 19:20:10 2002
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:20:10 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: stripmime.pl doesn't?
In-Reply-To: <20020322095124.Q8834-100000@phred.org>
References: <15515.19131.916851.757906@12-248-41-177.client.attbi.com>
        <20020322095124.Q8834-100000@phred.org>
Message-ID: <15515.30170.927434.771506@12-248-41-177.client.attbi.com>

Alex,

Thanks for the reply and the test case.  I verified that it seems to do the
right thing when fed your mimehtml test case or one of my test messages at
the shell prompt.  I will have to check into things deeper to see what's
going on w/ mailman.

-- 
Skip Montanaro (skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/)



From cls at pk.greens.org  Fri Mar 22 19:47:33 2002
From: cls at pk.greens.org (cls at pk.greens.org)
Date: 22 Mar 2002 18:47:33 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not forwarding on Qmail
Message-ID: <20020322184733.14943.qmail@pk.greens.org>

I would like to hear from Mailman + qmail administrators.
I've followed what documentation I could find to the letter,
and Mailman is not forwarding list messages.
I now need to debug Mailman, figure out what it's doing
that Qmail doesn't like, and how to correct it.
When I am done, I will get the documentation fixed so this
doesn't keep happening.  I just need a hand getting debug
info out of Mailman.  Thanks.

Cameron

Ps., I'm not a whiner.  The last time I found a major free
software product inadequately documented, I wrote the first
version of the LILO Mini-HOWTO.  You may have used it.
I've got a patch in drivers/net/3c509.c, too.



From tneff at bigfoot.com  Fri Mar 22 19:51:18 2002
From: tneff at bigfoot.com (tneff at bigfoot.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:51:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: stripmime
In-Reply-To: <E16oQlx-0001HZ-00@mail.python.org>
References: <E16oQlx-0001HZ-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3243609.1016805078@t283742ghzz>

Some suspicious individual named Skip <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>     thelist: "|/usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper
> post thelist"
>
> Viewing a generated plain text digest I can't see that stripmime.pl did
> anything.  None of the five messages was lost, but none appear to have
> been altered in any way.  Am I perhaps missing something?  I thought it's
> main thing was to zap HTML attachments.

If you are worried that the alias isn't being processed at all or that 
Stripmime isn't being run, you can always put a '|tee /tmp/worrynot' into 
that pipe.

If you get verification that Stripmime is running, but it's just acting 
like 'cat', then consider installing 'demime' which is much more flexibile 
and capable.  I tried both and definitely settled on demime.

	http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html




From skip at pobox.com  Fri Mar 22 21:16:19 2002
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:16:19 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: stripmime
In-Reply-To: <3243609.1016805078@t283742ghzz>
References: <E16oQlx-0001HZ-00@mail.python.org>
        <3243609.1016805078@t283742ghzz>
Message-ID: <15515.37139.370942.269891@12-248-41-177.client.attbi.com>

    tneff> If you get verification that Stripmime is running, but it's just
    tneff> acting like 'cat'...

I'm not 100% sure what the actual problem was, but I have a good idea now.
As I mentioned, my alias looked like

    thelist: "|/usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post thelist"

as described on the stripmime.pl web page.  The messages were going through
untouched. I suspect that sendmail was throwing away everything up to the
last pipe symbol before processing.  A suggestion off-list that worked was
to create the following shell script as /etc/smrsh/stripmime that does

    #!/bin/bash
    /usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl | /home/mailman/mail/wrapper "$@"

and install that script as the alias target.  I am now in business...

Alex, I know you don't want to get roped into supporting every possible
stripmime/MTA/MLM combination, but it might be worth mentioning this trick
related to sendmail on your web page.

Thanks for the help,

-- 
Skip Montanaro (skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/)



From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Fri Mar 22 21:17:56 2002
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:17:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with confirmation
Message-ID: <005401c1d1de$a72eeda0$0b7a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.or.us>

I have upgraded Mailman to v. 2.06. I created a list and then tried to
subscribe. I get the request for confirmation back. When I send the
confirmation, I get no reply back. I have looked in my mail log and it
appears that it has been sent, yet I never receive anything. I also tried
sending a message to the list to see if that would go through,even though my
subscription did not go through, and I don't receive anything back to let me
know there is a problem.

I am using Postfix with Procmail and Solaris 7



Christopher Adams





From ryan at pacificommultimedia.com  Fri Mar 22 21:26:25 2002
From: ryan at pacificommultimedia.com (Ryan Hagan)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:26:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with confirmation
In-Reply-To: <005401c1d1de$a72eeda0$0b7a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.o
 r.us>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020322152227.00ab0a30@mail.pacificommultimedia.com>

Hey,

I just had a similar problem with 2.0.8 and postfix running on 
debian.  First, check your $prefix/logs/error file and look for something 
that looks like an access violation on your *.db files.  If you see that, 
or even if you don't, try checking the owner and groups of that file.  It 
should be accessible by user "mailman".  Just try reading that file as the 
mailman user.  If you can't, there's a permission problem.  The problem I 
had was that the user mailman was not a member of the group 
"mailman".  Oops.  Good luck, hope that helps.


At 12:17 PM 3/22/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>I have upgraded Mailman to v. 2.06. I created a list and then tried to
>subscribe. I get the request for confirmation back. When I send the
>confirmation, I get no reply back. I have looked in my mail log and it
>appears that it has been sent, yet I never receive anything. I also tried
>sending a message to the list to see if that would go through,even though my
>subscription did not go through, and I don't receive anything back to let me
>know there is a problem.
>
>I am using Postfix with Procmail and Solaris 7
>
>
>
>Christopher Adams
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Ryan Hagan
Pacificom Multimedia
ryan at pacificommultimedia.com




From cae at bklyn.org  Fri Mar 22 23:12:54 2002
From: cae at bklyn.org (Caleb Epstein)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:12:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hooking Up Exim, Procmail, SpamAssassin, and Mailman
Message-ID: <20020322221254.GA9910@tela.bklyn.org>

	I'm hoping someone out there can help with this.  I admin a
	handful of realtively busy mailing lists which are seeing a
	lot of SPAM traffic that I'd like to filter out.  I've been
	playing around with SpamAssasin and am VERY impressed with its
	capabilities.

	What I'd like to do is hook SpamAssassin into my mail
	"pipeline" which right now runs exim -> demime -> mailman, all
	via transports/directors in the exim config (e.g. no
	additional scripts etc).  I think I can use procmail to
	essentially run any number of filters on the messages
	(SpamAssasin, demime, etc) but I just can't figure out how to
	connect up exim -> procmail -> mailman.

	Can anyone help?

-- 
Caleb Epstein |  bklyn . org  |   This week only, all our fiber-fill jackets
    cae at    | Brooklyn Dust |   are marked down!
bklyn dot org |   Bunny Mfg.  |



From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Fri Mar 22 23:57:22 2002
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:57:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with confirmation
References: <005401c1d1de$a72eeda0$0b7a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.o r.us> <5.1.0.14.0.20020322152227.00ab0a30@mail.pacificommultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <009801c1d1f4$ed05f2e0$0b7a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.or.us>

Thanks for your reply. The error file is accessible by user "mailman" and
nothing was written to it.

-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman         0 May  8  1999 error
-rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman        71 Oct 18 22:32 post
-rw-rw-r--   1 root     mailman      1186 Mar 22 12:40 smtp
-rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman      3725 Mar 22 12:40 subscribe

The user Mailman is part of the group mailman.


My subscribe log shows the following:

Mar 22 12:40:15 2002 (8459) test1: pending chris.a.adams at state.or.us
poe.osl.state.or.us

Christopher Adams
Automated Systems
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243  x258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Hagan" <ryan at pacificommultimedia.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Cc: "Christopher Adams" <Chris.A.Adams at state.or.us>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] problems with confirmation


> Hey,
>
> I just had a similar problem with 2.0.8 and postfix running on
> debian.  First, check your $prefix/logs/error file and look for something
> that looks like an access violation on your *.db files.  If you see that,
> or even if you don't, try checking the owner and groups of that file.  It
> should be accessible by user "mailman".  Just try reading that file as the
> mailman user.  If you can't, there's a permission problem.  The problem I
> had was that the user mailman was not a member of the group
> "mailman".  Oops.  Good luck, hope that helps.
>
> At 12:17 PM 3/22/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> >I have upgraded Mailman to v. 2.06. I created a list and then tried to
> >subscribe. I get the request for confirmation back. When I send the
> >confirmation, I get no reply back. I have looked in my mail log and it
> >appears that it has been sent, yet I never receive anything. I also tried
> >sending a message to the list to see if that would go through,even though
my
> >subscription did not go through, and I don't receive anything back to let
me
> >know there is a problem.
> >
> >I am using Postfix with Procmail and Solaris 7
> >
> >
> >
> >Christopher Adams
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------
> >Mailman-Users mailing list
> >Mailman-Users at python.org
> >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>
> Ryan Hagan
> Pacificom Multimedia
> ryan at pacificommultimedia.com
>




From Hiromi at ABL.ORG  Fri Mar 22 01:14:22 2002
From: Hiromi at ABL.ORG (ABL -Hiromi)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:14:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question re: Mailman
Message-ID: <9B67D695386AD411B10500508B9ADD492438E9@63-206-146-21.ded.pacbell.net>

I have questions re: the Mailman email mailing list program.

This is what I need/what I'm looking for: two-way mail where an
administrator can control who is on the distribution list.  I'd really like
it to be linked to a password.  

ABL is a membership organization and I'd like to offer this as a value-add
service, however, I would need to insure that only our Members would be able
to access the distribution.

Any information you have that might help me would be very much appreciated.

Thanks!

Warmest Regards,

Hiromi Hiraoka
Manager, Member Services and Development
ABL Organization
www.abl.org
Phone: (714) 245-1431
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From blange at getmehosted.com  Fri Mar 22 04:09:30 2002
From: blange at getmehosted.com (Barb Lange)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:09:30 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A little help please?
Message-ID: <3C9AA06A.000016.01480@denericorp110>

Hello,

I have searched the MailMan site to no avail. :(

This is a transcript we received from a member:

======Original Message================

After just a few hours, my mailing list is plagued by spam, and just
deleting it will take valuable time each day. I received a hint that
reconfiguring MailMan as follows to use discard as the default setting on
adminstrative tasks will simplify deletion of spam. Can you make this change
or advise me where and how to do it? Many thanks in advance. 



> buttons.AddRow([Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.DEFER, 1)), 

> Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.APPROVE, 0)), 

> Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.REJECT, 0)), 

> Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.DISCARD, 0)), 

> ]) 

> to 

> 

> buttons.AddRow([Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.DEFER, 0)), 

> Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.APPROVE, 0)), 

> Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.REJECT, 1)), 

> Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.DISCARD, 0)), 

> ]) 

====================================

Could you just point me in the right direction to address this member's
concern?

Thank you, so much, for your time.

Regards,

Barb Lange
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From w.w.with at ict.hva.nl  Fri Mar 22 09:58:32 2002
From: w.w.with at ict.hva.nl (Winston With)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:58:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reset list admin password
Message-ID: <004301c1d17f$be649880$b9225c91@hogeschohbl2up>

Dear sirs
As Site administrator i wish to reset a list administrator password
How do i do that i have read in an article
http://www.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-admin-quickref-0.2.html
the following :
The screen that you access will prompt you for your list administrator's password. Enter it in the blank and then click the button to access your administration screen. If you do not know the password for your list then you will need to contact the system administrator to have it reset.

 Kind regards
Winston With
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From morhant at igc.org  Fri Mar 22 14:37:25 2002
From: morhant at igc.org (Melanie Orhant)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:37:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bugs in Mailman
Message-ID: <p0501040fb8c0e4120579@[165.247.97.118]>

Dear Sir or Madam,

I have been having problems with accessing my listserv, stop-traffic,
for the past week or so.  Today when  I tried to sign on to my list, I
received this error message:

Bug in Mailman version 2.0.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited,
but the
webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.

Could you please fix this?  I've been unable to access the list for the
past two weeks or so.

Thanks,

Melanie Orhant
-- 
Melanie Orhant
Stop-Traffic Moderator


STOP-TRAFFIC is an open, facilitated, international electronic list 
funded by the Women's Reproductive Health Initiative of the Program 
for Appropriate Technology in Health. The archive and the server is 
provided by Friends and Partners. We would like to extend our 
appreciation to both PATH and Friends and Partners.

Stop-Traffic addresses human rights abuses associated with 
trafficking in persons for forced labor, servitude and slavery around 
the world, such as in forced factory labor, domestic servitude, 
forced prostitution, forced agricultural labor and other forms of 
forced labor.  The list maintains a strong emphasis on public health 
issues associated with trafficking, which affects the physical 
safety, health and well-being of millions of women,men and children 
worldwide.

WWW.STOP-TRAFFIC.ORG



From simon at SwivelSystems.com  Fri Mar 22 11:50:59 2002
From: simon at SwivelSystems.com (Simon Gatrall)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 02:50:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce only lists
Message-ID: <v0422080fb8c0b72a28e9@[64.172.21.178]>

My company's ISP only seems to support Mailman.  At first that seemed 
fine, but the more that I look into it, the more it seems like the 
wrong choice for my needs.  I have a list of customers that have 
asked to be apprised of news from my company.  This is an announce 
only list that I only plan to use a few times a year.  This isn't a 
spam list.

Mailman can sort-of do announce-only lists, but it isn't well suited 
for that.  For one thing, user passwords make some sort of sense if 
the list is a daily part of someone's life, but they are completely 
unnecessary and inappropriate for my use.  Mailman also needs to make 
the "unsubscribe" method dead simple.  If I just reply to an 
announce-only list with the word "remove" or "unsubscribe" anywhere 
in the message subject or body it should grant my wish.  Instead 
there are EIGHT confusing headers to dig through to find the right 
one.  This is just a lot of noise to most people.  And then you have 
to figure out what your password is.  This is fine for geeks but not 
for the average consumer.  (This is coming from a geek that has been 
using and programming computers since '78 and has been on the net 
since '87.)

I do like the fact that Mailman will track bounces, keeps archives, 
and provides a basic web based interface for administration and users 
alike.  Is there a way to configure Mailman for my purposes?

------------------------------
Simon Gatrall
President
Swivel Systems

mailto:simon at SwivelSystems.com
http://www.SwivelSystems.com
------------------------------



From borismil at math.hr  Fri Mar 22 15:15:54 2002
From: borismil at math.hr (Boris Milasinovic)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:15:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman base url for web interface
Message-ID: <000501c1d1ac$1521a0b0$556954c0@math.hr>

how to manually change mailman base url for web interface. I chaged it on
web, but to invalid path, and now I can't fix it. In which configuration
file is written that data.

    Thanks

            Boris




From tjnypaver at olsen-oleary.com  Fri Mar 22 17:45:20 2002
From: tjnypaver at olsen-oleary.com (Terry Nypaver)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:45:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] First time user with startup error
Message-ID: <6A54AC91B0F2934C88F1C431B735DD1C052DCB@OOEXCHNG.olsen-oleary.com>

How do I get answers as I am a first time user and am using this for a
project for school.

I got Gdk Error - Palettized display (256-colour) mode not supported on
Windows when trying to start.  I download the libraries .

Terry Nypaver
MIS Director 
Olsen O'Leary Associates
e-mail: tjnypaver at olsen-oleary.com
phone:  412-963-7272   x-218




From tom at jazkarta.com  Fri Mar 22 18:04:49 2002
From: tom at jazkarta.com (jazEvents)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:04:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Distribution not working
Message-ID: <B8C0CE61.126%tom@jazkarta.com>

To whom it may concern:

I manage a list and I have sent two messages in the last two days and
neither of them are "pending."  Are you having troubles?  Please advise.

Tom
http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/admin/jazkarta-announce

______________________________________________________
Tom Zlabinger -- tom at jazkarta.com
JazEvents Compiler - a weekly email of NYC jazz events
http://www.jazkarta.com/jazevents/




From barry at zope.com  Sat Mar 23 08:06:03 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 02:06:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] clone_member -rq not working?
References: <OFF46356B0.8F9E2C10-ON88256B81.00039C70@rsc.raytheon.com>
Message-ID: <15516.10587.12674.471254@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "DAG" == David A Gilbert <dagilbert at raytheon.com> writes:

    DAG> Answer to my own question: Looks like the default in
    DAG> Defaults.py is SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH=1 When set to 0, my
    DAG> problem below no longer occurs. Doesn't seem very intuitive
    DAG> to me that the remove would take place after getting the
    DAG> MMAlreadyAMember error, but I guess since the addresses are
    DAG> considered equivalent, it is operating as expected. Don't
    DAG> think SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH=1 should be set as a default
    DAG> setting.

I cannot reproduce this problem in MM2.1 beta1.

-Barry



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Mar 23 08:54:24 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 02:54:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] One-click unsubscribe?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020322124705.00af6c60@mail.pacificommultimedia.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020322124705.00af6c60@mail.pacificommultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <200203230752.CAA24929@salsa.haht.com>

Setup an email address that goes to a script...
  news-auto_unsub: |/usr/local/sbin/news-auto_unsub.sh

Let the script setup the email for you, or if you want to get fancy, have it 
actually to do the modification to nomail...

If you use smrsh, you will need to put a link to the script in your smrsh 
home directory (this lets sendmail know that the script is authorized to be 
exicuted via sendmail).

 --- Original Message: Friday 22 March 2002 01:04 pm ---
>
> My first attempt nearly worked, but not quite.  I set this link in the
> press release:
> <a href="mailto:news-request at pacificommultimedia.com?subject=set nomail on
> <pass>?body=--">unsubscribe</a>
>
> This works fine for Eurdra users, but not Outlook users because that email
> client doesn't recognize the "body" tag.  The subject looks like this:
> set nomail on <pass>?body=--
>
> This works (insofar as the nomail option was properly set), but returns an
> error to the user's email and I'm afraid that they may not realize that
> they've actually been removed and complain loudly. =(
>
> If I don't have the "?body=--" in there, and the user has a signature, once
> again they get errors from mailman (even though the operation was
> successful).
>
> So, does anyone know a good way to provide this "one click" removal from a
> list?  I'm not too concerned about HOW to do it, just so long as it gets
> done.  If I need to create a web page/perl script, that's fine.  Thanks a
> ton!
>
>
> Ryan Hagan
> Pacificom Multimedia
> ryan at pacificommultimedia.com
>



From paul at paulsfunhouse.com  Sat Mar 23 21:19:57 2002
From: paul at paulsfunhouse.com (Paul Croft)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:19:57 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce only lists
In-Reply-To: <v0422080fb8c0b72a28e9@[64.172.21.178]>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020323141536.02458330@paulsfunhouse.com>

AMEN...I have been on the net since about 1990 and I think I have a pretty 
good handle on things too...but I don't know how many people just cannot 
figure out how to get off the darn lists...even with the simple 
instructions of YahooGroups and Topica...I still had problems...now I have 
moved to Mailman and all heck breaks loose!

A reply to unsubscribe function would be great as long as a confirmation 
was included...even better would be a direct unsubscribe and/or no mail 
command:

listname-unsubscribe at domain.com and/or
listname-nomail at domain.com

My lists are announce only too (humour ezines) and I find that 90% of my 
admin time is spent getting people to figure out how to unsubscribe...so 
much so that I took that function away from them completely and have set up 
my own handy-dandy unsubscribe page...I handle all the no mail and unsub 
requests currently...but it is a chore that I would love if Mailman could 
take it over.

Don't get me wrong...I love Mailman and find hosting my own lists (finally) 
a great experience....BUT I would just like to make it a little easier for 
everyone!

Paul


At 04:50 AM 22/03/02, Simon Gatrall wrote:
>My company's ISP only seems to support Mailman.  At first that seemed 
>fine, but the more that I look into it, the more it seems like the wrong 
>choice for my needs.  I have a list of customers that have asked to be 
>apprised of news from my company.  This is an announce only list that I 
>only plan to use a few times a year.  This isn't a spam list.
>
>Mailman can sort-of do announce-only lists, but it isn't well suited for 
>that.  For one thing, user passwords make some sort of sense if the list 
>is a daily part of someone's life, but they are completely unnecessary and 
>inappropriate for my use.  Mailman also needs to make the "unsubscribe" 
>method dead simple.  If I just reply to an announce-only list with the 
>word "remove" or "unsubscribe" anywhere in the message subject or body it 
>should grant my wish.  Instead there are EIGHT confusing headers to dig 
>through to find the right one.  This is just a lot of noise to most 
>people.  And then you have to figure out what your password is.  This is 
>fine for geeks but not for the average consumer.  (This is coming from a 
>geek that has been using and programming computers since '78 and has been 
>on the net since '87.)
>
>I do like the fact that Mailman will track bounces, keeps archives, and 
>provides a basic web based interface for administration and users 
>alike.  Is there a way to configure Mailman for my purposes?
>
>------------------------------
>Simon Gatrall




From dan at ssc.com  Sun Mar 24 04:22:35 2002
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 19:22:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce only lists
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020323141536.02458330@paulsfunhouse.com>
References: <v0422080fb8c0b72a28e9@[64.172.21.178]> <5.1.0.14.0.20020323141536.02458330@paulsfunhouse.com>
Message-ID: <20020323192235.A13493@ssc.com>

One common way to do this is use a shell script.  

To unsubscribe from "atc-list at ssc.com" send any email at
all with your "From: " address set up correctly.  In /etc/aliases:

atc-remove:      "|/usr/lib/mailman/localbin/unsub.sh atc ssc.com"

unsub.sh, shamelessly plagarized from an example Bob Puff posted
to this list:

---------------------------- snip --------------------------------
#!/bin/sh 
#
# Mailman auto unsubscription adapted from one by Bob Puff 01/15/01
#
# Pass two parameters to this script:
# /home/mailman/unsub <list name> <domain name>
#
# Call from your aliases file like:
# test-unsub:   |/home/mailman/unsub test yourdomain.com
#
# Fri Jan 11 00:07:41 PST 2002 Dan Wilder -- use HERE
# documents.

TMP=/tmp/t$$

/bin/cat >$TMP

export sp="password"  # *** Put your site password here ***

export addr="$(/bin/cat $TMP |
/usr/bin/formail -r | 
/usr/bin/head -1 | 
/usr/bin/awk '/^..*/{print $2}')"

(
/bin/cat <<HERE 
From: $1-admin@$2
To: $1-request@$2
Subject: unsubscribe $sp $addr
Date: $(date)

HERE
) | /usr/lib/sendmail -t

(
cat <<HERE
From: $1-admin@$2
To: $addr
Subject: Unsubscribe Confirmation
Date: $(/bin/date)

This message confirms that your unsubscribe request,
shown below, to the $1 list has been received and
is being processed.

Thank you.

----------------------- Your request --------------------------
$(/bin/cat $TMP)
---------------------------------------------------------------


--
Unsubscribe request processing at SSC.COM.
HERE
) | /usr/lib/sendmail -t

rm -f $TMP

---------------------------- snip --------------------------------


<digression>

This script suffers from two weaknesses: predictable tmpfile name (not an 
issue for me) and exposure of unchecked data within a HERE document.

Well, maybe formail does some checking.  Can't say I've verified that.

No doubt I'll add checking of data taken from the "From: " header
one of these days.  

Be warned of the predictable tmpfile name and the possibly
exposed unchecked data, should you adopt this.

Needless to say, I claim credit for the weaknesses and give Bob
credit for everything here that works.

</digression>



On Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 02:19:57PM -0600, Paul Croft wrote:
> AMEN...I have been on the net since about 1990 and I think I have a pretty 
> good handle on things too...but I don't know how many people just cannot 
> figure out how to get off the darn lists...even with the simple 
> instructions of YahooGroups and Topica...I still had problems...now I have 
> moved to Mailman and all heck breaks loose!
> 
> A reply to unsubscribe function would be great as long as a confirmation 
> was included...even better would be a direct unsubscribe and/or no mail 
> command:
> 
> listname-unsubscribe at domain.com and/or
> listname-nomail at domain.com
> 
> My lists are announce only too (humour ezines) and I find that 90% of my 
> admin time is spent getting people to figure out how to unsubscribe...so 
> much so that I took that function away from them completely and have set up 
> my own handy-dandy unsubscribe page...I handle all the no mail and unsub 
> requests currently...but it is a chore that I would love if Mailman could 
> take it over.
> 
> Don't get me wrong...I love Mailman and find hosting my own lists (finally) 
> a great experience....BUT I would just like to make it a little easier for 
> everyone!
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> At 04:50 AM 22/03/02, Simon Gatrall wrote:
> >My company's ISP only seems to support Mailman.  At first that seemed 
> >fine, but the more that I look into it, the more it seems like the wrong 
> >choice for my needs.  I have a list of customers that have asked to be 
> >apprised of news from my company.  This is an announce only list that I 
> >only plan to use a few times a year.  This isn't a spam list.
> >
> >Mailman can sort-of do announce-only lists, but it isn't well suited for 
> >that.  For one thing, user passwords make some sort of sense if the list 
> >is a daily part of someone's life, but they are completely unnecessary and 
> >inappropriate for my use.  Mailman also needs to make the "unsubscribe" 
> >method dead simple.  If I just reply to an announce-only list with the 
> >word "remove" or "unsubscribe" anywhere in the message subject or body it 
> >should grant my wish.  Instead there are EIGHT confusing headers to dig 
> >through to find the right one.  This is just a lot of noise to most 
> >people.  And then you have to figure out what your password is.  This is 
> >fine for geeks but not for the average consumer.  (This is coming from a 
> >geek that has been using and programming computers since '78 and has been 
> >on the net since '87.)
> >
> >I do like the fact that Mailman will track bounces, keeps archives, and 
> >provides a basic web based interface for administration and users 
> >alike.  Is there a way to configure Mailman for my purposes?
> >
> >------------------------------
> >Simon Gatrall
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
 Dan Wilder <dan at ssc.com>   Technical Manager & Editor
 SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549   Phone:  206-782-8808
 Seattle, WA  98155-0549    URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/
-----------------------------------------------------------------



From plhofmei at svsu.edu  Sun Mar 24 04:53:12 2002
From: plhofmei at svsu.edu (Phillip Hofmeister)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 22:53:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Admin Woes
Message-ID: <1016941992.8a930a20plhofmei@svsu.edu>

Is there anything particular that needs to be done with mailman to make it work?  I've used newlist to make the list and I can log in to the list manager area but when I make changes (submit your changes) a screen comes up asking me for my password again, when I enter it none of the changes are made.  Furthermore when I go to subscribe myself to the list (on the listinfo) the server returns a 405 error saying the resources are not allocated.  The real strange part is, if I connect using lynx over the loopback, it works just fine.  I've narrowed down the problem to the fact it is only providing a cookie to someone who connects over the loopback.  When I try to connect from IE on another machine it never offers me a cookie (I have prompt on cookie request and prompt on per-session cookie request enabled).

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Phil










From allenday at 1-up.net  Sun Mar 24 10:00:11 2002
From: allenday at 1-up.net (Allen Day)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 01:00:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to not escape html?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0203240058440.23247-100000@kermit.1-up.net>

Hi,

I'd like text/html mail that is posted to a list to not have the html tags
escaped.  Is this possible to do with Mailman?

-Allen




From catmaxx at boldgold.com  Sun Mar 24 12:57:23 2002
From: catmaxx at boldgold.com (Catherine Mannix)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 05:57:23 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member address
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020324055521.00d1a1c0@perilpoint.com>

We need to get the member's email address to display in the message footer. 
We tried %(member)s but it doesn't seem to be recognized by the program. 
What is the correct call for this feature?

TIA
Cat Mannix 



From esper at sherohman.org  Sun Mar 24 18:04:36 2002
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 11:04:36 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reset list admin password
In-Reply-To: <004301c1d17f$be649880$b9225c91@hogeschohbl2up>; from w.w.with@ict.hva.nl on Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 09:58:32AM +0100
References: <004301c1d17f$be649880$b9225c91@hogeschohbl2up>
Message-ID: <20020324110436.A22223@sherohman.org>

On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 09:58:32AM +0100, Winston With wrote:
> As Site administrator i wish to reset a list administrator password
> How do i do that

The site password can be used in place of any list (or user)
password.

-- 
When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists
have already won. - reverius

Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss



From eward at uarc.com  Sun Mar 24 18:43:43 2002
From: eward at uarc.com (Eric Ward)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 10:43:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with bounced mail going to Postmaster (Postfix + MySQL)
Message-ID: <p04330103b8c3bc8f62cc@[166.70.102.67]>

Mailman users:

I've recently setup Mailman 2.0.6 on RH 7.2 with Postfix 20011121snapshot using MySQL for user verification (with the virtual features).  I host a handful of different virtual mail domains on this machine, and setup a Mailman list called Natlpower for one of these virtual domains for a client.

They started using the list, and everything seems to be setup properly (that is, people received the messages, and can subscribe and unsubscribe with no problems).  However, they recently subscribed a large list of addresses.  When they sent out the first confirmation of this switch, I as postmaster for the local host received a dozen "Postmaster Copy: Undelivered Mail" messages, saying that this user is over quota, that this user doesn't exist, et cetera.  An example bounce is below, along with my Postfix configuration.

I do not want to receive these e-mails every time someone on the list sends out a message and the Postfix server gets these bounces.  However, I can't redirect all bounces to them, as most bounces won't be for their list.  I know that Mailman is supposed to handle these bounces and take action on them.

What am I supposed to do?  How can I configure Postfix to direct these bounce error messages to the "Errors-To: natlpower-admin at wearepower.org" address that appears in the Mailman message headers?  Or do I have to run a filter program to filter these bounce messages and redirect them to the 'natlpower-admin' alias?  And if the wrapper for this alias receives this bounce message, will it take the appropriate action according to its settings in the "Bounce" admin panel?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

--
Eric Ward

And example bounce is below:
--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=
Return-Path: <double-bounce at tempest.uarc.com>
Received: from tempest.uarc.com [166.70.102.73] by 166.70.102.66; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:42:45 -0700
Received: by tempest.uarc.com (Postfix)	id DC54A74535; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:42:42 -0700 (MST)
Delivered-To: root at tempest.uarc.com
Received: by tempest.uarc.com (Postfix)	id 8EB5074540; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:42:42 -0700 (MST)
From: MAILER-DAEMON at tempest.uarc.com (Mail Delivery System)
To: postmaster at tempest.uarc.com
Subject: Postmaster Copy: Undelivered Mail
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From tmiller at nethawk.com  Sun Mar 24 18:54:38 2002
From: tmiller at nethawk.com (Tim Miller)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 12:54:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive problem
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020324124925.00a93910@208.18.224.2>

Pipermail (maybe?) has stopped working on one of over 500 lists on our server.  The messages are all there in the txt file but can't be accessed via the web.  Any ideas of how to bump start it again?  We are using Mailman 2.0.8

Thanks for your ideas.

Tim




From simon at coles.to  Sun Mar 24 23:00:03 2002
From: simon at coles.to (Simon Coles)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:00:03 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with the dreaded mail GIDs
In-Reply-To: <014c01c1d127$dfa35e80$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <18930330.1016748365@[192.168.1.150]>
 <014c01c1d127$dfa35e80$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <34460612.1017007203@[192.168.1.150]>

Indeed, that was it.

I was installing on a RedHat machine which had Ensim on it. This had 
installed a /etc/smrsh/wrapper file already for Majordomo. I had tried to 
do the /etc/smrsh/mailman_wrapper thing as suggested in the install 
documentation. That didn't seem to work, but removing the Majordomo and 
replacing it with Mailman's did the trick.

Thanks for your help,



Simon

--On Thursday, March 21, 2002 5:29 pm -0500 Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com> 
wrote:

> Is your system using "smrsh"?  If so, you will have to put a link in the
> /etc/smrsh directory for /home/mailman//mail/wrapper.



----------------------------------------------------------------------
Simon J. Coles                                   Email: simon at coles.to
=============== Life is too precious to take seriously ===============



From cls at pk.greens.org  Mon Mar 25 10:22:05 2002
From: cls at pk.greens.org (cls at pk.greens.org)
Date: 25 Mar 2002 09:22:05 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail and Mailman and relaying and source addresses
Message-ID: <20020325092205.19331.qmail@pk.greens.org>

My Qmail listens to port 25 though the usual tcpserver + rblsmtpd caravan.
We use ORDB and SPEWS and SBL and it stops most of the junk.  I allow
relaying for my other two servers and localhost.

When I telnet to port 25 on this host, qmail-smtpd records a connect
from 127.0.0.1, the local interface.

I discovered by trial and error that, when it wants to send, Mailman
somehow comes in through the external interface.  qmail-smtpd sees
that IP number.

Qmail-smtpd quite properly refuses to relay.  It says something polite
like "Sorry, you're not in my list of rcpthosts."  Mailman fails to record
this helpful message anywhere I could find.  It just counts a mysterious
"bounce."  This is a bug in Mailman.  A mailing list program needs to
preserve *somewhere* the error messages from the MTAs on which it relies.

The solution is to add
w.x.y.z:allow,RELAYCLIENT=""
to tcprules.txt, where w.x.y.z is your external IP address, and
rebuild tcprules.cdb.


Cameron





From cae at bklyn.org  Mon Mar 25 13:56:32 2002
From: cae at bklyn.org (Caleb Epstein)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 07:56:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce only lists
In-Reply-To: <20020323192235.A13493@ssc.com>
References: <v0422080fb8c0b72a28e9@[64.172.21.178]> <5.1.0.14.0.20020323141536.02458330@paulsfunhouse.com> <20020323192235.A13493@ssc.com>
Message-ID: <20020325125632.GA4934@tela.bklyn.org>

On Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 07:22:35PM -0800, Dan Wilder wrote:

> One common way to do this is use a shell script.  To unsubscribe
> from "atc-list at ssc.com" send any email at all with your "From: "
> address set up correctly.  In /etc/aliases: atc-remove:
> "|/usr/lib/mailman/localbin/unsub.sh atc ssc.com" unsub.sh,
> shamelessly plagarized from an example Bob Puff posted to this list:

	Why such a complicated shell script and not just a simple call to:

	remove_members $list $address

	?

-- 
Caleb Epstein |  bklyn . org  |         Zero Defects, n.:
    cae at    | Brooklyn Dust |         	The result of shutting down a
bklyn dot org |   Bunny Mfg.  |         	production line.



From bochmann at FreiNet.de  Mon Mar 25 15:51:59 2002
From: bochmann at FreiNet.de (Alexander Bochmann)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:51:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman suddenly eats mails
Message-ID: <20020325155159.T8091@freinet.de>

Hi,

we have here a mailman installation that used to work 
without problems, but since a few days, it doesn't 
deliver any mails. Also, there are no error messages 
whatsoever in mailman's log files, so I don't have the 
slightest idea what could be wrong (I'm not the only 
admin on that machine, so maybe someone has changed 
something, but no one would admit to it).

All I can see is that the mail is piped into the mailman 
wrapper, and absolutely nothing happens after that - nothing 
in the mailman logs, and nothing anywhere else:

Mar 25 15:12:40 mailman sendmail[19315]: PAA19314: to="|/data/mailman/mail/wrapper post test2", delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Sent

Mailman _can_ send mails, though - when I subscribe a 
user via the web interface, he gets the confirmation 
message.

How can I do some debugging on the mailman setup to 
possibly find out where the mails end up? 

System is a Debian Linux with sendmail 8.9.3, 
python 2.1.1 and mailman 2.0.8

Alex.




From moonshi at moonshi.com  Mon Mar 25 16:00:49 2002
From: moonshi at moonshi.com (Mohsenruddin Moonshi)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 23:00:49 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Challenges with Mailmain (--with-cgi-gid )
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAMDS47wO5yU+iQMVGB/f2H8KAAAAQAAAA2o81guEyu0W1f/iQlxkSGgEAAAAA@moonshi.com>

Hi guys,

I need some help with Mailman. My HDD crashed beyond recovery so I have
re-installed Mandrake 8.1 on a new HDD and restored the following;

1.  Postfix
2.  Apache

However, I am having problems with Mailman's --with-mail-gid and
--with-cgi-gid options. I used these options when I compile Mailman;

user when compiling = mailman
pwd = /usr/local/src/mailman
postfix gid = 416
cgi-gid = <there's no cgi-gid, so I used user "nobody" with gid = 99>

./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman --with-mail-gid=416
--with-cgi-gid=99

After the installation was done, I did this;

## $prefix = /usr/local/mailman

[root at firewire mailman]# su - mailman
bash-2.05$
bash-2.05$ $prefix/bin/check_perms
No problems found

## Edited $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py to reflect the following;

# Put your site-specific settings below this line; DEFAULT_HOST_NAME =
moonshi.com DEFAULT_URL = 'http://firewire.moonshi.com:81/mailman/'
PUCLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/pipermail/'
PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/private/'
HOME_PAGE = 'index.html'
MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME

## Next, I added the "crontab.in"

	crontab $prefix/cron/crontab.in

## Next, I added these lines in /usr/local/apache/conf/httpd.conf

# Mailman Pipermail

Alias /pipermail/ "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/

<Directory "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
	Options Indexes MultiViews
	AllowOverride None
	Order allow,deny
	Allow from all
</Directory>

# Mailman cgi-bin

ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"

<Directory> "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"
	Options Indexes MultiViews
	AllowOverride None
	Order allow,deny
 	Allow from all
</Directory>


Once I am done with all the above, I did the following;

$prefix/bin/mmsitepass
Password: ************

$prefix/bin/newlist test
Password: **********

I then added these lines into /etc/postfix/aliases

## test mailing list
## created: 25-Mar-2002 mailman
test:		"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
test-admin:	"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
test-request:	"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
test-owner:	test-admin

and do a "newaliases" to update the /etc/postfix/aliases file and then
added these into /etc/postfix/virtual

## Test list
test at moonshi.com	test

and I do a "postmap hash:/etc/postfix/virtual to update the
/etc/postfix/virtual tables with the new data.

Once I have done all the above, I restarted apache from

	/usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl restart

and also postfix

	/etc/rc.d/init.d/postfix restart

and xinetd

	/etc/rc.d/init.d/xinetd restart

and from my Linux client, hermes.moonshi.com send an email via Evolution
to "Test Mailing-List" <test at moonshi.com> and this is what I get from
/var/log/mail/errors

Mar 25 11:17:39 firewire Mailman cgi-wrapper (admin): Failure to exec
script. WANTED gid 416, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)

Mar 25 11:25:46 firewire Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
WANTED gid 416, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)

I checked that my gid for "postfix = 416" from "/etc/passwd" and I used
"cgi-gid = 99" (which is for user nobody which apache is using) as I
don't have user "cgi" in my system.

What, where and why did I do wrong? Can anyone guide me please?

Sincerely,
Mohsenruddin Moonshi
moonshi at moonshi.com





From jonc at haht.com  Mon Mar 25 16:37:30 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:37:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman suddenly eats mails
References: <20020325155159.T8091@freinet.de>
Message-ID: <001201c1d412$fa228270$0b04010a@JCARNES>

This is typical of cron being stopped.  Check to make sure that cron is
running and that the cron entries for user "mailman" are correct.

If cron is not the problem, try running qrunner by hand (look at the cron
entries for the proper format).
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Bochmann" <bochmann at FreiNet.de>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 9:51 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman suddenly eats mails


> Hi,
>
> we have here a mailman installation that used to work
> without problems, but since a few days, it doesn't
> deliver any mails. Also, there are no error messages
> whatsoever in mailman's log files, so I don't have the
> slightest idea what could be wrong (I'm not the only
> admin on that machine, so maybe someone has changed
> something, but no one would admit to it).
>
> All I can see is that the mail is piped into the mailman
> wrapper, and absolutely nothing happens after that - nothing
> in the mailman logs, and nothing anywhere else:
>
> Mar 25 15:12:40 mailman sendmail[19315]: PAA19314:
to="|/data/mailman/mail/wrapper post test2", delay=00:00:01,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Sent
>
> Mailman _can_ send mails, though - when I subscribe a
> user via the web interface, he gets the confirmation
> message.
>
> How can I do some debugging on the mailman setup to
> possibly find out where the mails end up?
>
> System is a Debian Linux with sendmail 8.9.3,
> python 2.1.1 and mailman 2.0.8
>
> Alex.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From bochmann at FreiNet.de  Mon Mar 25 17:08:45 2002
From: bochmann at FreiNet.de (Alexander Bochmann)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:08:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman suddenly eats mails
In-Reply-To: <001201c1d412$fa228270$0b04010a@JCARNES>; from jonc@haht.com on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 10:37:30AM -0500
References: <20020325155159.T8091@freinet.de> <001201c1d412$fa228270$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <20020325170844.V8091@freinet.de>

Hi,

...on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 10:37:30AM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:

 > This is typical of cron being stopped.  Check to make sure that cron is
 > running and that the cron entries for user "mailman" are correct.

Ouch!

You're right - for some reason, cron was not 
running. After restarting it, all mails were 
delivered.

Thanks,

Alex.

 > > we have here a mailman installation that used to work
 > > without problems, but since a few days, it doesn't
 > > deliver any mails. Also, there are no error messages
 > > whatsoever in mailman's log files, so I don't have the
 > > slightest idea what could be wrong




From jwblist at olympus.net  Mon Mar 25 17:21:12 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:21:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman suddenly eats mails
In-Reply-To: <001201c1d412$fa228270$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <20020325155159.T8091@freinet.de>
 <001201c1d412$fa228270$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <p05101501b8c4fd1c993a@[207.149.192.229]>

It is also typical of cron's response to a sudden temporal anomaly (that
is, an imprudent hand setting of the machine's clock).

[This is semi-well-known.  I found it out when the boss accidentally set
one machine's clock to sometime in year 202X, waited a bit, and set it
back.  My every few minutes job stopped being run...I think cron was
waiting patiently for that date/time in 202X, but I didn't wait around to
find out.]

It's best after a temporal anomaly to restart the server.  AT LEAST restart
(not HUP) the cron daemon.  [YMMV:  all crons are not created equal...all
ats even more so.]

  --John

At 10:37 -0500 3/25/2002, Jon Carnes wrote:
>This is typical of cron being stopped.  Check to make sure that cron is
>running and that the cron entries for user "mailman" are correct.
>
>If cron is not the problem, try running qrunner by hand (look at the cron
>entries for the proper format).
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Alexander Bochmann" <bochmann at FreiNet.de>
>To: <mailman-users at python.org>
>Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 9:51 AM
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman suddenly eats mails
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> we have here a mailman installation that used to work
>> without problems, but since a few days, it doesn't
>> deliver any mails. Also, there are no error messages
>> whatsoever in mailman's log files, so I don't have the
>> slightest idea what could be wrong (I'm not the only
>> admin on that machine, so maybe someone has changed
>> something, but no one would admit to it).
>>
>> All I can see is that the mail is piped into the mailman
>> wrapper, and absolutely nothing happens after that - nothing
>> in the mailman logs, and nothing anywhere else:

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From valites at geneseo.edu  Mon Mar 25 18:16:45 2002
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:16:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "="s in message
Message-ID: <150D7148-4014-11D6-B962-00039319DA20@geneseo.edu>

One of my list admins just sent an email to her list, and the mail sent 
out appended "=" to the end of each line, and a "=20" to the end of the 
message.  She was using outlook express as her email client.

I've never seen this before.  The equal sign character didn't raise any 
flags to me right away either.  Ideas?

Since hiding the school is kinda pointless, the message can be seen in 
the archives at:

http://mail.geneseo.edu/pipermail/falladmits-l/2002-March/000001.html




 >--))> >--))>
Mark T. Valites
Unix Systems Analyst
1 College Circle - 124b1 South Hall
SUNY Geneseo
Geneseo, NY 14454
585-245-5577
585-259-3471(Cell)




From jonc at haht.com  Mon Mar 25 18:32:29 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:32:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "="s in message
References: <150D7148-4014-11D6-B962-00039319DA20@geneseo.edu>
Message-ID: <016901c1d423$09b75c00$0b04010a@JCARNES>

There is no problem.  Her "mail sending format" is set to something funky.
This is a mail client issue, not a Mailman issue. Try the following:

Outlook Express -
  Tools
    Options
      Send (tab)
        Mail Sending Format
          HTML settings
            Mime Message Format
              encode text using:  <-- set to "NONE"

There are some other places were she could have mucked up her mail sending
format, so she might have to look around a bit in her options.

Good Luck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark T. Valites" <valites at geneseo.edu>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 12:16 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "="s in message


> One of my list admins just sent an email to her list, and the mail sent
> out appended "=" to the end of each line, and a "=20" to the end of the
> message.  She was using outlook express as her email client.
>
> I've never seen this before.  The equal sign character didn't raise any
> flags to me right away either.  Ideas?
>
> Since hiding the school is kinda pointless, the message can be seen in
> the archives at:
>
> http://mail.geneseo.edu/pipermail/falladmits-l/2002-March/000001.html
>
>
>
>
>  >--))> >--))>
> Mark T. Valites
> Unix Systems Analyst
> 1 College Circle - 124b1 South Hall
> SUNY Geneseo
> Geneseo, NY 14454
> 585-245-5577
> 585-259-3471(Cell)
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From valites at geneseo.edu  Mon Mar 25 18:39:38 2002
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:39:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "="s in message
In-Reply-To: <016901c1d423$09b75c00$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <47DB1439-4017-11D6-B962-00039319DA20@geneseo.edu>

I figured so much.  Thanks!

On Monday, March 25, 2002, at 12:32 PM, Jon Carnes wrote:

> There is no problem.  Her "mail sending format" is set to something 
> funky.
> This is a mail client issue, not a Mailman issue. Try the following:
>
> Outlook Express -
>   Tools
>     Options
>       Send (tab)
>         Mail Sending Format
>           HTML settings
>             Mime Message Format
>               encode text using:  <-- set to "NONE"
>
> There are some other places were she could have mucked up her mail 
> sending
> format, so she might have to look around a bit in her options.
>
> Good Luck
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark T. Valites" <valites at geneseo.edu>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 12:16 PM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] "="s in message
>
>
>> One of my list admins just sent an email to her list, and the mail sent
>> out appended "=" to the end of each line, and a "=20" to the end of the
>> message.  She was using outlook express as her email client.
>>
>> I've never seen this before.  The equal sign character didn't raise any
>> flags to me right away either.  Ideas?
>>
>> Since hiding the school is kinda pointless, the message can be seen in
>> the archives at:
>>
>> http://mail.geneseo.edu/pipermail/falladmits-l/2002-March/000001.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> --))> >--))>
>> Mark T. Valites
>> Unix Systems Analyst
>> 1 College Circle - 124b1 South Hall
>> SUNY Geneseo
>> Geneseo, NY 14454
>> 585-245-5577
>> 585-259-3471(Cell)
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users mailing list
>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>
 >--))> >--))>
Mark T. Valites
Unix Systems Analyst
1 College Circle - 124b1 South Hall
SUNY Geneseo
Geneseo, NY 14454
585-245-5577
585-259-3471(Cell)




From alex at phred.org  Mon Mar 25 18:36:43 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:36:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "="s in message
In-Reply-To: <016901c1d423$09b75c00$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <20020325093534.H12554-100000@phred.org>

On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Jon Carnes wrote:
> There is no problem.  Her "mail sending format" is set to something funky.

It isn't something funky, it is quoted-printable.  Most mail clients
can parse it.

alex




From jwblist at olympus.net  Mon Mar 25 18:55:32 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:55:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "="s in message
In-Reply-To: <150D7148-4014-11D6-B962-00039319DA20@geneseo.edu>
References: <150D7148-4014-11D6-B962-00039319DA20@geneseo.edu>
Message-ID: <p05101504b8c50f74e5c0@[207.149.192.229]>

At 12:16 -0500 3/25/2002, Mark T. Valites wrote:
>One of my list admins just sent an email to her list, and the mail sent
>out appended "=" to the end of each line, and a "=20" to the end of the
>message.  She was using outlook express as her email client.
>
>I've never seen this before.  The equal sign character didn't raise any
>flags to me right away either.  Ideas?
>
>Since hiding the school is kinda pointless, the message can be seen in
>the archives at:

This is quoted-printable at work.  The bare = is needed at the end of a
soft-wrapped quoted printable line if there would otherwise be a space or
tab there.  (Below)

The =20 is a space...in general =hh is the character whose code in some
relevant code table is hh.

(Windows) Outlook Express can be tamed in this regard by changing the
Encoding setting in HTML Settings and/or Plain Text Settings to something
other than Quoted printable.  (None is likely better; Base 64 is probably
not a good idea for sending to Mailman lists.)

For most mailing lists, your sender might consider an account sent to Plain
Text sending only, with encoding None.  Tools-->Options-->Send:  The Mail
Sending Format portion.

   ========
>From RFC 1521:

Rule #3 (White Space): Octets with values of 9 and 32 MAY be represented as
ASCII TAB (HT) and SPACE characters, respectively, but MUST NOT be so
represented at the end of an encoded line. Any TAB (HT) or SPACE characters
on an encoded line MUST thus be followed on that line by a printable
character. In particular, an "=" at the end of an encoded line, indicating
a soft line break (see rule #5) may follow one or more TAB (HT) or SPACE
characters. ...
-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net  Mon Mar 25 18:56:58 2002
From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:56:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "="s in message
In-Reply-To: <150D7148-4014-11D6-B962-00039319DA20@geneseo.edu>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020325095446.00b45f00@pop.mindspring.com>

At 3/25/02 12:16 PM -0500, Mark T. Valites wrote:
>One of my list admins just sent an email to her list, and the mail sent 
>out appended "=" to the end of each line, and a "=20" to the end of the 
>message.  She was using outlook express as her email client.
>
>I've never seen this before.  The equal sign character didn't raise any 
>flags to me right away either.  Ideas?

Mark,
Here is an explanation of the problem you're seeing, and instructions to 
fix it.

http://www.expita.com/nomime.html#equalsign

--
Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net>
http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
http://leaf-project.org/




From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Mon Mar 25 19:04:46 2002
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:04:46 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with confirmation
References: <005401c1d1de$a72eeda0$0b7a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.o r.us> <5.1.0.14.0.20020322152227.00ab0a30@mail.pacificommultimedia.com> <009801c1d1f4$ed05f2e0$0b7a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.or.us> <313405282.20020325115540@freemail.hu>
Message-ID: <002d01c1d427$8c6f4500$0b7a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.or.us>

I checked the /usr/var/logs and this is the entry for the message that I
sent to confirm the subscription. There are no error messages about wrong
GID. In the Postfix configuration file, the default_privs = nobody which is
GID 60001. The configure for Mailman shows that it is using 6001 as the GID.

<test1-request at sparkie.osl.state.or.us>, relay=local, delay=4, status=sent
("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/
wrapper mailcmd test1")


Christopher Adams
Automated Systems
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243  x258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us


----- Original Message -----
From: "Szilard Vizi" <vizisz at freemail.hu>
To: "Christopher Adams" <Chris.A.Adams at state.or.us>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 2:55 AM
Subject: Re[2]: [Mailman-Users] problems with confirmation


> Hello,
>
> Christopher writes:
>
> CA> Thanks for your reply. The error file is accessible by user "mailman"
and
> CA> nothing was written to it.
>
> CA> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman         0 May  8  1999 error
> CA> -rw-rw-r--   1 root     mailman      1186 Mar 22 12:40 smtp
>
> CA> My subscribe log shows the following:
>
> CA> Mar 22 12:40:15 2002 (8459) test1: pending chris.a.adams at state.or.us
> CA> poe.osl.state.or.us
> >> >I am using Postfix with Procmail and Solaris 7
> Look for any error message in the Postfix log files, you will probably
> find them under the /var/log directory. Maybe in the /var/log/mail/
> dir.
>
> I think you will find in one of these files a few error messages
> complaining about gid problem (Wanted gid xx, got yy. Try to reconfigure
> to use gid yy). This means that you have to re-run the ./configure script
> with the --with-mail-gid options.
>
> If there is such a problem, send the error message to the mailman-users
> list and will help you out.
>
> Bye,
> --
> Best regards,
>  Szilard Vizi                            mailto:vizisz at freemail.hu
>




From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Mar 25 20:08:43 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:08:43 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "="s in message 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Mark T. Valites" <valites@geneseo.edu> 
   of "Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:16:45 EST." <150D7148-4014-11D6-B962-00039319DA20@geneseo.edu> 
References: <150D7148-4014-11D6-B962-00039319DA20@geneseo.edu> 
Message-ID: <22228.1017083323@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:16:45 -0500 
Mark T Valites <valites at geneseo.edu> wrote:

> One of my list admins just sent an email to her list, and the mail
> sent out appended "=" to the end of each line, and a "=20" to the end
> of the message.  She was using outlook express as her email client.

> I've never seen this before.  The equal sign character didn't raise
> any flags to me right away either.  Ideas?

Outlook sent you message as a quoted/printable MIME type.  This is
(unfortunately) a standard stupidity of Outlook.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From cls at pk.greens.org  Mon Mar 25 20:08:59 2002
From: cls at pk.greens.org (cls at pk.greens.org)
Date: 25 Mar 2002 19:08:59 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Challenges with Mailmain (--with-cgi-gid )
Message-ID: <20020325190859.30520.qmail@pk.greens.org>

>However, I am having problems with Mailman's --with-mail-gid and
>--with-cgi-gid options. I used these options when I compile Mailman;

>cgi-gid = <there's no cgi-gid, so I used user "nobody" with gid = 99>

>./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman --with-mail-gid=416
>--with-cgi-gid=99
[...]
>and from my Linux client, hermes.moonshi.com send an email via Evolution
>to "Test Mailing-List" <test at moonshi.com> and this is what I get from
>/var/log/mail/errors

>Mar 25 11:17:39 firewire Mailman cgi-wrapper (admin): Failure to exec
>script. WANTED gid 416, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)

>Mar 25 11:25:46 firewire Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
>WANTED gid 416, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)

>I checked that my gid for "postfix = 416" from "/etc/passwd" and I used
>"cgi-gid = 99" (which is for user nobody which apache is using) as I
>don't have user "cgi" in my system.

I believe your problem is "--with-cgi-gid=99"

"cgi-gid" is the group ID that will be running your CGI programs.
That is, running Mailman's wrapper.
If you are not using suEXEC or some other way of changing it,
this will be the group mentioned in the Group directive in your
Apache httpd.conf.  It might be "www-data" or "www" or "web"
or "nobody" but it is probably not a low number like 99.

If you don't know who is running your CGI programs, you should
probably read up more on Apache configuration before exposing
your server to the Internet.  (I like Charles Aulds' _Linux Apache
Web Server Administration_ but the docs at http://httpd.apache.org are
good enough.)

But you can find out by writing a little CGI program like this:

#!/bin/sh
echo "Content-type: text/plain"
echo
id
env

and running it from your browser.



-- 
Cameron
http://web.greens.org/~cls/





From rjones at email.unc.edu  Mon Mar 25 20:42:33 2002
From: rjones at email.unc.edu (rjones at email.unc.edu)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:42:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] General Response Error... user not found...
In-Reply-To: <E16paEE-0003tr-00@mail.python.org>
References: <E16paEE-0003tr-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <1017085353.3c9f7daa0609c@webmail6.isis.unc.edu>

I am running into the error below when trying to send messages to lists 
on my server... Basically, it returns that no user is found. Any ideas 
on what is going wrong? Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks a million.

Russ Jones

------------------
The original message was received at Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:33:56 -0500 
(EST)
from webmail6.isis.unc.edu [152.2.1.153]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<mailman-russ at usstudents.org>
    (reason: 550 5.1.1 <mailman-russ at usstudents.org>... User unknown)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mail.usstudents.org.:
>>> RCPT To:<mailman-russ at usstudents.org>
<<< 550 5.1.1 <mailman-russ at usstudents.org>... User unknown
550 5.1.1 <mailman-russ at usstudents.org>... User unknown

 
Part 2 
Reporting-MTA: dns; smtp.unc.edu
Arrival-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:33:56 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; mailman-russ at usstudents.org
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.usstudents.org
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 5.1.1 <mailman-russ at usstudents.org>... User 
unknown
Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:35:29 -0500 (EST)

 



From jonc at haht.com  Mon Mar 25 21:02:15 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:02:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] General Response Error... user not found...
References: <E16paEE-0003tr-00@mail.python.org> <1017085353.3c9f7daa0609c@webmail6.isis.unc.edu>
Message-ID: <003a01c1d437$f5aa40f0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Typically this happens when you do not set the aliases in the /etc/aliases
file (for sendmail compliant servers), or you forget to run "newaliases"
after adding the mailing list aliases to /etc/aliases.

In short, you ran ~mailman/bin/newlist <listname> and mailman printed out a
series of aliases that you needed to cut and paste into your /etc/aliases
file, and you did not do it.

Next time you might try running newlist -o

Alternately, you are using a virtual address and have not linked the virtual
address to the proper "real" address.  You may also need to alert Mailman to
the fact that you are using a virtual name for mailing lists (look in
~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py, but only make changes to mm_cfg.py)

----- Original Message -----
From: <rjones at email.unc.edu>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 2:42 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] General Response Error... user not found...


> I am running into the error below when trying to send messages to lists
> on my server... Basically, it returns that no user is found. Any ideas
> on what is going wrong? Any help would be much appreciated.
>
> Thanks a million.
>
> Russ Jones
>
> ------------------
> The original message was received at Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:33:56 -0500
> (EST)
> from webmail6.isis.unc.edu [152.2.1.153]
>
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> <mailman-russ at usstudents.org>
>     (reason: 550 5.1.1 <mailman-russ at usstudents.org>... User unknown)
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> ... while talking to mail.usstudents.org.:
> >>> RCPT To:<mailman-russ at usstudents.org>
> <<< 550 5.1.1 <mailman-russ at usstudents.org>... User unknown
> 550 5.1.1 <mailman-russ at usstudents.org>... User unknown
>
>
> Part 2
> Reporting-MTA: dns; smtp.unc.edu
> Arrival-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:33:56 -0500 (EST)
>
> Final-Recipient: RFC822; mailman-russ at usstudents.org
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.1.1
> Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.usstudents.org
> Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 5.1.1 <mailman-russ at usstudents.org>... User
> unknown
> Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:35:29 -0500 (EST)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From kellan at protest.net  Mon Mar 25 23:05:27 2002
From: kellan at protest.net (kellan)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:05:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI alternative?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0203251354440.11928-100000@riseup.net>

Hi, I'm part of a team that works on maintaining lists.indymedia.org, we
have a very large number of lists, a lot of traffic, and seemingly a lot
of interest for robots, particularily badly behaved ones.

Several times lately the server has started choaking and dieing, with
loads of 70+ in response to some bot hitting all the listinfo pages, and
firing up dozens and dozens of CGI processes.

I was wondering if anyone else has struggled with this issue.  We don't
want to simply block all robots, google can be essential to finding old
posts on some of the high traffic lists.  So I'm looking for less
resource intensive solutions then CGI.

Has anyone setup the Mailman CGIs under FastCGI, or mod_snake or
something?  How did that go?

Also considering simply sticking Squid in front of it, anybody have tips
on a Mailman friendly Squid config would be great.

Am I missing an obvious solution?

Thanks
Kellan





From jonc at haht.com  Mon Mar 25 23:39:31 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:39:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI alternative?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0203251354440.11928-100000@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <012a01c1d44d$ee50fd60$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Apache has some nice tools for limiting the number of connections on a
specific resource.  I believe that you can throttle on both requested
resource and on destination IP.  You probably want to cap the amount of
connections from any single ip address to something like 20.

There are also some nice firewall scripts that do the same thing, but more
drastically.  Once the number of connections from a single IP reaches a
defined number, the offending ip is denied access for 5 minutes (or whatever
time period you want).

Good Luck.  Let us know what you come up with.
----- Original Message -----
From: "kellan" <kellan at protest.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:05 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI alternative?


> Hi, I'm part of a team that works on maintaining lists.indymedia.org, we
> have a very large number of lists, a lot of traffic, and seemingly a lot
> of interest for robots, particularily badly behaved ones.
>
> Several times lately the server has started choaking and dieing, with
> loads of 70+ in response to some bot hitting all the listinfo pages, and
> firing up dozens and dozens of CGI processes.
>
> I was wondering if anyone else has struggled with this issue.  We don't
> want to simply block all robots, google can be essential to finding old
> posts on some of the high traffic lists.  So I'm looking for less
> resource intensive solutions then CGI.
>
> Has anyone setup the Mailman CGIs under FastCGI, or mod_snake or
> something?  How did that go?
>
> Also considering simply sticking Squid in front of it, anybody have tips
> on a Mailman friendly Squid config would be great.
>
> Am I missing an obvious solution?
>
> Thanks
> Kellan
>




From matt at marketrends.net  Sat Mar 23 14:08:08 2002
From: matt at marketrends.net (Matt Tourtillott)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 05:08:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need assistance...
Message-ID: <021c01c1d26b$c847b200$3227dd3f@station2>

Hello Mailman Support,

I have just installed mailman-2.1b1 on a FBSD 4.5 server running sendmail.
It looks like all is good except for linking sendmails alias to the mailman
program.

In your example you show this in your mm-handler

## Simulates these aliases:
## testlist:                "|/opt/pkgs/mailman/mail/wrapper post testlist"
## testlist-admin:          "|/opt/pkgs/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
testlist"
## testlist-request:        "|/opt/pkgs/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd
testlist"
## owner-testlist:          testlist-admin
## testlist-owner:          testlist-admin

So I used this in my aliases file and then discovered that I don't have a
wrapper file in my /home/mailman/mail/ folder but rather a file called
mailman.  So I changed the name in my aliases from wrapper to mailman and I
now get these message.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------
   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Illegal command: mailowner
554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman mailowner test"... unknown mailer
error 6

  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Illegal command: mailcmd
554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman mailcmd test"... unknown mailer error
6
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------
Is there a new list of flags for this program or am I missing something?

Thanks in advance for your guidance.
Matt Tourtillott


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From david.abrahams at rcn.com  Sun Mar 24 16:19:34 2002
From: david.abrahams at rcn.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 10:19:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Mailman bug when handling multipart content
Message-ID: <050101c1d347$861f6df0$9c99accf@boostconsulting.com>

This "bug report" was generated from boost's recent (rocky) transition
from YahooGroups to Mailman.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Daniel" <cpdaniel at pacbell.net>
>
> One thing I noticed in the latest one though:  Mailmain doesn't handle
messages with HTML content correctly with regard
> to adding the footer to the message.  See the very abbreviated message
below.
>
> Reply-to: boost at lists.boost.org
>  <mailto:boost-request at lists.boost.org?subject=unsubscribe>
> List-Archive: <http://lists.boost.org/MailArchives/boost/>
> Content-type: multipart/alternative;
>  boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1D1DD.53E552C0"
>
>
> ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1D1DD.53E552C0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> original message
>
> ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1D1DD.53E552C0
> Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> <HTML>original HTML message
>
> ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1D1DD.53E552C0--
> _______________________________________________
> Unsubscribe & other changes:
http://lists.boost.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/boost
>
> Since the footer was added outside the last boundary, it's ignored by
mail readers that are MIME aware.  The footer
> should be injected just before the second occurrence of the boundary
line in order to make it part of the base message
> text.
>
> With the prevalence of multipart content, MailMan really ought to
handle it better.


BTW, one thing that bit us (hard) was the inability to set people to
receive no email when mass-subscribing them. We probably made the wrong
choice and should have simply avoided subscribing those people
altogether, but had the option been there, making an appropriate choice
would've been easier.

-Dave




From greg at countryhardware.com.au  Mon Mar 25 10:10:31 2002
From: greg at countryhardware.com.au (Greg Rees)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:10:31 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with Relay Spammers
In-Reply-To: <3C82AE5D.26344607@pcraft.com>
References: <0203021846540C.01173@www> <3C82AE5D.26344607@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <0203252018520F.00808@www>

Hi Ashley,

Thank you for the reply. I've been doing some research on the relaying problem
that I have to no avail.

I have tried to verify the setup again and again but I cannot find anything
wrong, except maybe the permissions, I don't know what permissions should be
where.

Can you point me in the right direction or shed some light on somewhere to look
regarding permissions. I tend to think that we are on the right track.

Thank you

Greg

On Mon, 04 Mar 2002, you wrote:
> 
> > To get Mailman-2.0.8 working on my setup, I had to "enable relay control" in
> > Sendmail so that mailman would be able to send out messages to the list. Things
> > have been working as expected with messages sent to the list and messages
> > going out to the members of the list.
> 
>     Sendmail does _NOT_ need relay enabled for Mailman to work. We'd have a big 
>     problem on our hands if that was the case.  Verify your setup again,
>     specially permissions. 
>  > --
> H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner
>   +--------------------------------------------------------------------
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>   Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130
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> 
> 
> 
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From brandon.pearson at bbsrc.ac.uk  Mon Mar 25 18:44:04 2002
From: brandon.pearson at bbsrc.ac.uk (brandon pearson (BITS))
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:44:04 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message Disposition Notification
Message-ID: <41773CEF2B8FD411920200508BDCDC12278389@bits-exch1.bits.bbsrc.ac.uk>

Mailman 2.0.5
Is it possible to switch on Message Disposition Notification/Read Receipt
for an individual list?

Thanks,

Brandon



From rjones at email.unc.edu  Mon Mar 25 20:32:02 2002
From: rjones at email.unc.edu (rjones at email.unc.edu)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:32:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Desparation...
Message-ID: <1017084722.3c9f7b321127b@webmail6.isis.unc.edu>

Hi, my name is Russ Jones and Im a student at UNC Chapel Hill. First 
off, I would like to say that your Mailman program is incredible and 
God sent. I love it. 

Unfortunately, I have been running into a rather difficult problem. 
Everything works for the most part, I can add new lists, administer the 
from via the internet, when I add new users it sends out welcome 
messages, etc... Unfortunately, I cannot get the Mailman script to 
accept incoming messages and distribute them... Messages are returned 
with the statment "user unknown" for messages sent to the listserv, 
just as though I had sent a message to the server with a random 30 
digit number as the user. 

Any ideas? Im sure you get a thousand email messages a day, but I would 
really be thankful if you could help me out. A copy of the email 
returned is listed below...

Sincerely and Gratefully,

Russ Jones

-->

The original message was received at Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:20:47 -0500 
(EST)
from rjones at login7.isis.unc.edu [152.2.1.104]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<russ at usstudents.org>
    (reason: 550 5.1.1 <russ at usstudents.org>... User unknown)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mail.usstudents.org.:
>>> RCPT To:<russ at usstudents.org>
<<< 550 5.1.1 <russ at usstudents.org>... User unknown
550 5.1.1 <russ at usstudents.org>... User unknown

 
Part 2 
Reporting-MTA: dns; smtp.unc.edu
Arrival-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:20:47 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; russ at usstudents.org
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.usstudents.org
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From dan at ssc.com  Tue Mar 26 00:31:45 2002
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:31:45 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI alternative?
In-Reply-To: <012a01c1d44d$ee50fd60$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0203251354440.11928-100000@riseup.net> <012a01c1d44d$ee50fd60$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <20020325153145.A17641@ssc.com>

There are gobs of abusive searchbots out there. I won't name
names.  Look at your logs and estimate hits/referrals.  Not to mention 
email harvesters and college kids sitting behind an OC3, having nothing 
better to do with their dorm room computers than run a recursive wget 
on your site every ten minutes.  Never mind that most of the material 
never changes once it is up.

On the other hand, watch out for large ISPs who reach out to the
world through a small pool of IP addresses.

Apache can be configured to block on browser match, which will get
rid of a lot of those you don't want.  It can also block specific
IP numbers.   Read your logs, look at your web page stats, figure
out who you don't need, and go to it.

For the individual irresponsible individuals you'll need some sort
of rate throttling.

Re Google: in my experience they are VERY responsible about their
web page crawling, seldom exceeding one hit per couple of minutes on 
our sites, even considering that they crawl simultaneously from several 
IP numbers.  Generally they're among our top ten or fifteen referrers,
while accounting on any time horizon for less than 0.2% of our total 
kbytes.  They do a great job.

On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 05:39:31PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Apache has some nice tools for limiting the number of connections on a
> specific resource.  I believe that you can throttle on both requested
> resource and on destination IP.  You probably want to cap the amount of
> connections from any single ip address to something like 20.
> 
> There are also some nice firewall scripts that do the same thing, but more
> drastically.  Once the number of connections from a single IP reaches a
> defined number, the offending ip is denied access for 5 minutes (or whatever
> time period you want).
> 
> Good Luck.  Let us know what you come up with.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kellan" <kellan at protest.net>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:05 PM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI alternative?
> 
> 
> > Hi, I'm part of a team that works on maintaining lists.indymedia.org, we
> > have a very large number of lists, a lot of traffic, and seemingly a lot
> > of interest for robots, particularily badly behaved ones.
> >
> > Several times lately the server has started choaking and dieing, with
> > loads of 70+ in response to some bot hitting all the listinfo pages, and
> > firing up dozens and dozens of CGI processes.
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone else has struggled with this issue.  We don't
> > want to simply block all robots, google can be essential to finding old
> > posts on some of the high traffic lists.  So I'm looking for less
> > resource intensive solutions then CGI.
> >
> > Has anyone setup the Mailman CGIs under FastCGI, or mod_snake or
> > something?  How did that go?
> >
> > Also considering simply sticking Squid in front of it, anybody have tips
> > on a Mailman friendly Squid config would be great.
> >
> > Am I missing an obvious solution?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Kellan
> >
> 
> 
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> 

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From dan at ssc.com  Tue Mar 26 01:08:21 2002
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:08:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI alternative?
In-Reply-To: <20020325153145.A17641@ssc.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0203251354440.11928-100000@riseup.net> <012a01c1d44d$ee50fd60$0b04010a@JCARNES> <20020325153145.A17641@ssc.com>
Message-ID: <20020325160821.A17579@ssc.com>

On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 03:31:45PM -0800, Dan Wilder wrote:

> For the individual irresponsible individuals you'll need some sort

Urk.

For irresponsible individuals ...

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Mar 26 01:08:23 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:08:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Desparation...
References: <1017084722.3c9f7b321127b@webmail6.isis.unc.edu>
Message-ID: <3C9FBBF7.84C6700B@pcraft.com>

rjones at email.unc.edu wrote:

> Unfortunately, I cannot get the Mailman script to
> accept incoming messages and distribute them... Messages are returned
> with the statment "user unknown" for messages sent to the listserv,
> just as though I had sent a message to the server with a random 30
> digit number as the user.
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> ... while talking to mail.usstudents.org.:
> >>> RCPT To:<russ at usstudents.org>
> <<< 550 5.1.1 <russ at usstudents.org>... User unknown
> 550 5.1.1 <russ at usstudents.org>... User unknown

    Obvious question: does the account 'russ' actually exist on that server/domain pair?

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From moonshi at moonshi.com  Tue Mar 26 01:57:36 2002
From: moonshi at moonshi.com (Mohsenruddin Moonshi)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 08:57:36 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with Relay Spammers
In-Reply-To: <0203252018520F.00808@www>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAMDS47wO5yU+iQMVGB/f2H8KAAAAQAAAAYXvFuk1HJ0KtmxvyuEAWowEAAAAA@moonshi.com>

Greg, login to your list server, and try the following;

1.  su - mailman
2.  cd /to-your-mailman-folder/bin
3.  ./check_perms

That should give you a message whether your permissions are right or
wrong and if you need to fix it, just do a ./check_perms -f and that's
all.

Sincerely,
Mohsenruddin Moonshi
moonshi at moonshi.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Greg Rees
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:11 PM
> To: ashley at pcraft.com
> Cc: Mailman-Users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with Relay Spammers
>
>
>
> Hi Ashley,
>
> Thank you for the reply. I've been doing some research on the
> relaying problem that I have to no avail.
>
> I have tried to verify the setup again and again but I cannot
> find anything wrong, except maybe the permissions, I don't
> know what permissions should be where.
>
> Can you point me in the right direction or shed some light on
> somewhere to look regarding permissions. I tend to think that
> we are on the right track.
>
> Thank you
>
> Greg
>
> On Mon, 04 Mar 2002, you wrote:
> >
> > > To get Mailman-2.0.8 working on my setup, I had to "enable relay
> > > control" in Sendmail so that mailman would be able to send out
> > > messages to the list. Things have been working as expected with
> > > messages sent to the list and messages going out to the
> members of
> > > the list.
> >
> >     Sendmail does _NOT_ need relay enabled for Mailman to
> work. We'd have a big
> >     problem on our hands if that was the case.  Verify your
> setup again,
> >     specially permissions.
> >  > --
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> >
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> 80303, U.S.A.
> >
> >
> >
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From jrhay at HayA.QC.CA  Tue Mar 26 06:07:32 2002
From: jrhay at HayA.QC.CA (James R. Hay)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 00:07:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filtering message bodies
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0203260005420.21058-100000@hay.haya.qc.ca>

Hi folks,

I asked previously but no one bit so I'll try again.  I am using Mailman
2.1b1 and Sendmail.  When I used majordomo I could have it serach the body
of a message for "taboo" words and bounce the message for administrative
approval.  Is there a way to do this with Mailman or is this something one
has to use procmail or some other external program for?

Has anyone done this sort of thing with a Mailman list?

Thanks,
Jim.

James R. Hay				jrhay at haya.qc.ca
Hay-Net Networks
P.O. Box 46051
Pointe Claire, QC
H9R 5R4




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Tue Mar 26 06:17:42 2002
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:17:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filtering message bodies
Message-ID: <200203260517.g2Q5HxWk029647@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

Sounds like a job for a custom pipeline module.
I don't know of any existing module that would do it.

Modifying, say, Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py by some judicious 
boilerplating, and then adding it to your list's pipeline variable,
is a relatively-correct-and-robust, if a bit tricky, way to
get what you want.

> I asked previously but no one bit so I'll try again.  I am using Mailman
> 2.1b1 and Sendmail.  When I used majordomo I could have it serach the body
> of a message for "taboo" words and bounce the message for administrative
> approval.  Is there a way to do this with Mailman or is this something one
> has to use procmail or some other external program for?
> 
> Has anyone done this sort of thing with a Mailman list?




From madsrini at npd.hcltech.com  Tue Mar 26 06:21:43 2002
From: madsrini at npd.hcltech.com (Madhu Srinivasa Desikan)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:51:43 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forgot list admin password...
Message-ID: <002d01c1d486$209757a0$f664a8c0@hcltech.com>

Hi,

    This is my first posting in this group. In our network, we have
installed mailman and is working fine. I am the owner of a list.
The problem is, I have forgotten the listadmin's password. 
How can I retrieve the passowrd?. Is there any way to get the same?

    In mailman option's interface, there is an option to retrieve the 
list member's password. But not the admin's password.

Can any one help me in this regard.....

Thanks in advance,

Madhu S




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From madsrini at npd.hcltech.com  Tue Mar 26 06:25:54 2002
From: madsrini at npd.hcltech.com (Madhu Srinivasa Desikan)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:55:54 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forgot list admin password...
Message-ID: <003701c1d486$b4940430$f664a8c0@hcltech.com>

Hi all,

    This is my first posting in this group. In our network, we have
installed mailman and is working fine. I am the owner of a list.
The problem is, I have forgotten the listadmin's password. 
How can I retrieve the passowrd?. Is there any way to get the same?

    In mailman option's interface, there is an option to retrieve the 
list member's password. But not the admin's password.

Can any one help me in this regard.....

Thanks in advance,

Madhu S




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Tue Mar 26 06:33:06 2002
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:33:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forgot list admin password...
Message-ID: <200203260533.g2Q5XMWk000195@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

>     This is my first posting in this group. 

You'll want to read the FAQ before posting much more:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

> The problem is, I have forgotten the listadmin's password. 
> How can I retrieve the passowrd?. Is there any way to get the same?

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.008.htp




From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Mar 26 06:35:24 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:35:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forgot list admin password...
References: <003701c1d486$b4940430$f664a8c0@hcltech.com>
Message-ID: <3CA0089C.E4E2A67E@pcraft.com>

Madhu Srinivasa Desikan wrote:

> The problem is, I have forgotten the listadmin's password.
> How can I retrieve the passowrd?. Is there any way to get the same?

    Use the site admin password to log in to the list, then change the password at the bottom.

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar 26 13:52:46 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:52:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filtering message bodies
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0203260005420.21058-100000@hay.haya.qc.ca>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0203260005420.21058-100000@hay.haya.qc.ca>
Message-ID: <200203261250.HAA31378@salsa.haht.com>

That is not one of the feature adds listed in the 2.1 beta release.  It is a 
feature under consideration.  For now, your best bet is to use Procmail.

 --- Original Message: Tuesday 26 March 2002 12:07 am ---
> Hi folks,
>
> I asked previously but no one bit so I'll try again.  I am using Mailman
> 2.1b1 and Sendmail.  When I used majordomo I could have it serach the body
> of a message for "taboo" words and bounce the message for administrative
> approval.  Is there a way to do this with Mailman or is this something one
> has to use procmail or some other external program for?
>
> Has anyone done this sort of thing with a Mailman list?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim.
>
> James R. Hay				jrhay at haya.qc.ca
> Hay-Net Networks
> P.O. Box 46051
> Pointe Claire, QC
> H9R 5R4
>
>
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From zmoelnig at iem.kug.ac.at  Tue Mar 26 15:10:06 2002
From: zmoelnig at iem.kug.ac.at (IOhannes m zmoelnig)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 15:10:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Desparation...
References: <1017084722.3c9f7b321127b@webmail6.isis.unc.edu> <3C9FBBF7.84C6700B@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <3CA0813E.2020505@iem.kug.ac.at>

Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
> rjones at email.unc.edu wrote:
> 
> 
>>Unfortunately, I cannot get the Mailman script to
>>accept incoming messages and distribute them... Messages are returned
>>with the statment "user unknown" for messages sent to the listserv,
>>just as though I had sent a message to the server with a random 30
>>digit number as the user.
>>
>>   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>>... while talking to mail.usstudents.org.:
>>
>>>>>RCPT To:<russ at usstudents.org>
>>>>>
>><<< 550 5.1.1 <russ at usstudents.org>... User unknown
>>550 5.1.1 <russ at usstudents.org>... User unknown
>>
> 
>     Obvious question: does the account 'russ' actually exist on that server/domain pair?
> 

i guess, "russ" is the mailing-list to be run at the "usstudents.org" 
server.
is this true ??
when creating a new list, you will have to make the mail-server be aware 
of the new pseudo-user.
on linux you are likely to have to add the lines generated by the 
"newlist"-script to your /etc/aliases file.
you can do this, with the "-o <filename>" option of newlist
(newlist --help)

mfg.cas.er
IOhannes




From ryan at pacificommultimedia.com  Tue Mar 26 15:25:31 2002
From: ryan at pacificommultimedia.com (Ryan Hagan)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:25:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error message explained?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020326092119.00a8c968@mail.pacificommultimedia.com>

Greetings,

I've been seeing this message pop up on occasion and was wondering if 
someone could help me decipher it:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 223, in 
ParseMailCommands
         self.__dispatch[cmd](args, line, msg)
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 399, in ProcessSetCmd
         self.SetUserOption(sender, option_info[args[0]], value)
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 206, in SetUserOption
         user = self.GetUserCanonicalAddress(user)
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 174, in GetUserCanonicalAddress
         cpuser = self.GetUserSubscribedAddress(member)
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 159, in 
GetUserSubscribedAddress
         member = string.lower(member)
File "/usr/lib/python2.1/string.py", line 51, in lower
         return s.lower()
AttributeError: 'None' object has no attribute 'lower'

It LOOKS like a non-member is trying to run a set command.  Or, more 
accurately, a set command is trying to process an address that isn't 
subscribed to the list.  Is this, indeed, what's happening??  If so, is 
there anyway to "fix" this so I don't get this error message, but a more 
human readable message with the offending address?  Thanks!



Ryan Hagan
Pacificom Multimedia
ryan at pacificommultimedia.com




From dave+mailman at dminor.com  Tue Mar 26 15:31:57 2002
From: dave+mailman at dminor.com (David Minor)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 08:31:57 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin task "ghost"
Message-ID: <20020326083157.158036B%18B0C000@dminor.com>

During a recent change in server hardware, I had an administrative task
for one of my mailing lists waiting to be done.  On the new server,
mailman thinks that the task still needs to be done and emails me daily
about it, but it can't find the task.  How can I make mailman forget
about the task?

Regards,
dm



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Mar 26 16:06:20 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:06:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin task "ghost"
In-Reply-To: <20020326083157.158036B%18B0C000@dminor.com>
References: <20020326083157.158036B%18B0C000@dminor.com>
Message-ID: <200203261504.KAA03799@salsa.haht.com>

Look in ~mailman/lists/<listname>/.. 
The file request.db has some info in it.  Make sure that the rights are 
correct on it.  You should be able to go the the web-admin and cancel out the 
task.  Failing that, copy an empty request.db from one of your other lists 
over the current one (make sure the rights are correct! after that).

Also check out ~mailman/data and make sure you don't have any held messages 
awaiting approval/disapproval.

 --- Original Message: Tuesday 26 March 2002 09:31 am ---
> During a recent change in server hardware, I had an administrative task
> for one of my mailing lists waiting to be done.  On the new server,
> mailman thinks that the task still needs to be done and emails me daily
> about it, but it can't find the task.  How can I make mailman forget
> about the task?
>
> Regards,
> dm
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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From rjones at email.unc.edu  Tue Mar 26 17:43:15 2002
From: rjones at email.unc.edu (RUSSELL P JONES)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:43:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Thanks and GID error...
In-Reply-To: <3CA0813E.2020505@iem.kug.ac.at>
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.21L1.0203261139450.66168-100000@login8.isis.unc.edu>

First off, thanks for everyone who helped me out yesterday, the response
was incredible, you folks are awesome. 

Secondly, I ran into a GID error stating...

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 6, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to take 1?)
554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post russ"... unknown mailer error
2

Do I just uninstall mailman and reinstall it using the --with-cgi-gid and
--with-mail-gid options, and somehow set them to 1?

Are there any other variables I am going to have to use?

Is there an easy way to uninstall mailman?

Are you becoming quickly annoyed at my inept questions?

Thanks...

Russ Jones





From tmiller at nethawk.com  Tue Mar 26 17:45:22 2002
From: tmiller at nethawk.com (Tim Miller)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:45:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive problem (2nd try)
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020326114215.00a8f098@208.18.224.2>

Got no bites on this last time I posted it.  Still need help fixing the problem.

Pipermail (maybe?) has stopped working on one of over 500 lists on our server.  The messages are all there in the txt file but can't be accessed via the web.  Any ideas of how to bump start it again?  We are using Mailman 2.0.8

Thanks for your ideas.

Tim 




From tkeller at bbn.com  Tue Mar 26 19:08:14 2002
From: tkeller at bbn.com (Thomas Keller)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:08:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to get mailman to get incoming mail
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020326130444.026c77f0@rospo1.bbn.com>

I believe this is more a sendmail issue but I can not find the answer.  I 
set up mailman on a RH 7.2 machine and I can see the archives, I can send 
mail from the local machine out to the mailing list recipients.  What I 
cannot do is send an e-mail from another machine and have it enter the RH 
machine and go through the mailman program out to the mailing list.

I have the relay set to my normal mail server and the DaemonPortOptions set 
as follows:

O DaemonPortOptions=Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Tom




From jonc at haht.com  Tue Mar 26 19:09:21 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:09:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Thanks and GID error...
References: <Pine.A41.4.21L1.0203261139450.66168-100000@login8.isis.unc.edu>
Message-ID: <008301c1d4f1$5aec3180$0b04010a@JCARNES>

This is definitely in the FAQ (see the bottom of the email message).

You don't need to un-install, but you do need to re-install.  Take a look at
what is running as your MTA (sendmail, postfix, exim, qmail, etc...) and
figure out what Group it runs as.  If you are using Sendmail, you can:
  grep DefaultUser /etc/sendmail.cf

The response will be something like "O DefaultUser=8:12".  The first number
is the userID and the second number is the groupID that sendmail runs as.
So you would configure mailman using "--with-mail-gid=12"

Your error message indicates that your MTA is trying to run as groupID 1
GID = 1 is normally something like "bin", which IMHO is not a good thing...
and definitely not something that Sendmail does.

----- Original Message -----
From: "RUSSELL P JONES" <rjones at email.unc.edu>
To: "IOhannes m zmoelnig" <zmoelnig at iem.kug.ac.at>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:43 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Thanks and GID error...


> First off, thanks for everyone who helped me out yesterday, the response
> was incredible, you folks are awesome.
>
> Secondly, I ran into a GID error stating...
>
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 6, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to take 1?)
> 554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post russ"... unknown mailer error
> 2
>
> Do I just uninstall mailman and reinstall it using the --with-cgi-gid and
> --with-mail-gid options, and somehow set them to 1?
>
> Are there any other variables I am going to have to use?
>
> Is there an easy way to uninstall mailman?
>
> Are you becoming quickly annoyed at my inept questions?
>
> Thanks...
>
> Russ Jones
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Tue Mar 26 19:16:22 2002
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:16:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Thanks and GID error...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.A41.4.21L1.0203261139450.66168-100000@login8.isis.unc.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203261013340.11610-100000@localhost>

On Mar 26, 2002 at 11:43, RUSSELL P JONES wrote:

>First off, thanks for everyone who helped me out yesterday, the response
>was incredible, you folks are awesome. 

Send money.

>Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 6, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to take 1?)

>Do I just uninstall mailman and reinstall it using the --with-cgi-gid and
>--with-mail-gid options, and somehow set them to 1?

Yes.

>554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post russ"... unknown mailer error
>2

This indicates you should configure --with-mail-gid=1. If you get
similar errors from mailman's web interface, you should configure
--with-cgi-gid=whatever it wants to reconfigure to take.

This is an FAQ.

>Is there an easy way to uninstall mailman?

Give me the server.

>Are you becoming quickly annoyed at my inept questions?

Yes. :-)

But really, the GID thing is an FAQ and I think it's in the install
docs somewhere, and quite prominent.

-- 
Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
Expert: Someone who is called in at the last minute to share the blame




From tkeller at bbn.com  Tue Mar 26 19:50:11 2002
From: tkeller at bbn.com (Thomas Keller)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:50:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to get mailman to get incoming mail
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020326130444.026c77f0@rospo1.bbn.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020326134906.026d1398@rospo1.bbn.com>

Finally found the answer in the mailman archives at list.org, was a 
question asked back in November.  The DaemonPortOption address needs to be 
set to 0.0.0.0.

Tom

At 01:08 PM 03/26/2002 -0500, Thomas Keller wrote:
>I believe this is more a sendmail issue but I can not find the answer.  I 
>set up mailman on a RH 7.2 machine and I can see the archives, I can send 
>mail from the local machine out to the mailing list recipients.  What I 
>cannot do is send an e-mail from another machine and have it enter the RH 
>machine and go through the mailman program out to the mailing list.
>
>I have the relay set to my normal mail server and the DaemonPortOptions 
>set as follows:
>
>O DaemonPortOptions=Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA
>
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Tom
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Mar 26 19:56:46 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:56:46 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive problem (2nd try)
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020326114215.00a8f098@208.18.224.2>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020326183205.03cbeda8@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 11:45 26/03/2002 -0500, Tim Miller wrote:
>Got no bites on this last time I posted it.  Still need help fixing the 
>problem.
>
>Pipermail (maybe?) has stopped working on one of over 500 lists on our 
>server.  The messages are all there in the txt file but can't be accessed 
>via the web.  Any ideas of how to bump start it again?  We are using 
>Mailman 2.0.8

Without any diagnostic information or much detail about what leads you to 
conclude Pipermail has stopped working its like trying to guess the lottery 
numbers and I've never succeeded at that.

I guess if you looked in $prefix/archives/<listname>/ you could check the 
modification times on the list's archive files and see if anything 
correlates. Then maybe send a test message to the list and see what if 
anything changes; like does the <currentarchivename>.txt modification time 
change, has a new html file been created in the <currentarchivename> 
directory, did the modification times of the thread/subject/date.html files 
change.

Push becomes shove you could (maybe after a little backup) try using 
$prefix/bin/arch to rebuild the archive for the list and see what output it 
generates.

>Thanks for your ideas.
>
>Tim




From abw at hosting2000.com  Tue Mar 26 23:06:28 2002
From: abw at hosting2000.com (abw)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 14:06:28 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changes to existing mailing list
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020326140315.00a8d260@k2.synapseglobal.com>

I hope this is the right list to post this question to. One of our users is 
having a problem with his mailing list now. Recently his domain expired and 
was bought by someone else, so he had to register the org version. That is 
the only difference, the name is the same.

He went into the mailman admin for this list and made the necessary domain 
changes. The mailing list was working fine until he switched domains. Now 
it won't send confirmations. Below is a snippet of his email to me:

-----
I changed all the setting in the config of mailman to all .org and it seems 
to be working ok, but it won't sent me the authorization of a post sent to 
it. Usually I sent the email newsletter to 
fmbseafood_newsletter at fmbseafood.org then it sends an auth email to me or 
casey and we ok it, then it goes out to everyone, but it won't even send it 
to me first for auth.
-----

His email address does work because I send messages to him all the time.

What I'm wondering is that since he switched the com with org, does the 
mailing list have to be set up again or is there another way around this?

Thank you in advance for any help!




From PeterLeuenroth at compuserve.com  Tue Mar 26 01:25:34 2002
From: PeterLeuenroth at compuserve.com (Peter, OL)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 01:25:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
Message-ID: <045701c1d45c$c9636a60$6701acd4@peterleu>

Guten Tag,
ist es moeglich eine Anleitung fuer das Programm
"Mailman 2.1" in deutsch zu bekommen, bzw.
zumindest die wichtigsten Punkte?

Ich danke Ihnen schon im Voraus.

Gruesse aus Oldenburg / Germany
Peter Leuenroth, OL.
g24h
*************************************************
Den Frieden kann man weder in der Arbeit noch im
Vergn?gen, weder in der Welt noch in einem Kloster,
sondern nur in der eigenen Seele finden.
(William Somerset Maugham)


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From jim at composter.com  Tue Mar 26 20:42:25 2002
From: jim at composter.com (Jim McNelly)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:42:25 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List features and wish list
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020326132137.01b65580@cloudnet.com>

Greetings,

This is a list moderator of the US Composting Council Discussion list (650 
members) here with some suggestions and comments.

I would like the ability to have the bozo bucket of restricted posters to 
be sent something other than the fearsome and insulting "forbidden sender" 
message.

This would be to run a list where the bozo bucket is large and the approved 
posters is small, but not fully moderated-for-approval.  The message should 
be able to state "held for moderator approval".

If I switch over to a moderator approval mode and put a large number of 
users into the approved status, what message will go out to the poster?  I 
hope not the "forbidden sender" message.  Are there limits to the number of 
names in the various columns?

I would like to be able to capture the directory of members all at once in 
a single database rather than having to cut and paste, screen by screen.

How about adding the ability to filter out "out of office" and other 
autoreplies in the administrivia section, or for that matter, making the 
criteria manageable by the moderator.  I would also like to kill certain 
threads in the header that are off topic.

How about an easy banner menu for putting in HTML into sponsor footers?

I would like to make the archive a subscriber access page.  I would also 
like to add advertising on the archive page.  How do I set up a password or 
approved e-mail system for accessing the archive?  How about making the 
entire archive searchable, not just the month that is grouped?  Do I have 
to turn the archive into one large database to make it searchable?

I pay my ISP to host Mailman.  How do you guys make any money doing this?

That's it for the moment.

Thanks



Jim McNelly
List Manager
US Composting Council Discussion Group
jim at composter.com
www.compostingcouncil.org




From webmaster at bestafs.com  Wed Mar 27 01:36:48 2002
From: webmaster at bestafs.com (Rich Gordon)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:36:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approve every post?
Message-ID: <017201c1d527$7bb53ac0$7b16a840@attbi.com>

  Hi-

Please excuse my "newbie" question as I am
completely new to email lists.

I am running a list for my daughters ice hockey team.
I have been doing some 'test" post and I keep getting
the following:

Your mail to 'Jrsharks19under' with the subject
    test test test
Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
The reason it is being held:
    Message has implicit destination
Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
notification of the moderator's decision.

All I want is for the poster to be able to post there message
without myself, the administrator, having to review every mailing.

I put a check by "no" in the admin area as far as 
Check postings and intercept ones that seem to be administrative requests? 
Must posts be approved by an administrator? 

Am I missing something? How can I correct it so posters can 
just reply without myself having to check and approve every posting?

If you need more information to answer my question please
let me know.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I tried my hosting company
and they weren't much help.

thank you for your time,

Rich Gordon

http://ns.pagematic.net/mailman/listinfo/jrsharks19under_bestafs.com

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From jalera at netside.net  Wed Mar 27 02:39:51 2002
From: jalera at netside.net (Jorge A. Lera)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:39:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I don't remember my administration password.
Message-ID: <073001c1d530$730098d0$6501a8c0@lerapc1>

What I need to do for get a new administration password??
This is the link to my mailman service:  http://lists.jalera.com/mailman/listinfo/jalera
 Thank you,
Jorge A. Lera
JALera Conslting Services, Inc.
email: jcs at jalera.com
url: http://jalera.com

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From fball at franciscans.com  Wed Mar 27 04:51:30 2002
From: fball at franciscans.com (J. Frederick Ball OEF)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 21:51:30 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approve every post?
In-Reply-To: <017201c1d527$7bb53ac0$7b16a840@attbi.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020326215008.02786850@mail.jfredball.com>

At 04:36 PM 3/26/2002 -0800, Rich Gordon wrote:

>The reason it is being held:
>     Message has implicit destination

Here is the problem -- if you have implicit destinations, such as addresses 
in the bcc field, the message is held.

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From akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU  Wed Mar 27 05:06:04 2002
From: akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Akop Pogosian)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:06:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Which python version?
Message-ID: <20020326200604.A49133@csua.berkeley.edu>

What's the latest stable python version that works with Mailman 2.0.8?
INSTALL file says that it is Ok to use 2.0. What about 2.2?


-akop



From pb at informatics.lk  Wed Mar 27 08:57:09 2002
From: pb at informatics.lk (prasanna buddika)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:57:09 +0600 (LKT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help me please
Message-ID: <4721.203.143.10.194.1017215829.squirrel@www2.informatics.lk>

Hi


I have instlled mailman.But I coundn't install properly.Then I delete the
home/mailman dir.after that I keep getting masseges saying

Message 1/8  From Cron Daemon                         Mar 27, 02 01:35:00
PM +0600


Return-Path: <postmaster at mail.osc.lk>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:35:00 +0600
To: mailman at mail.osc.lk
Subject: Cron <mailman at mail> /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/sh>
X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/home/mailman>
X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/usr/bin:/bin>
X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=mailman>

/usr/bin/python: can't open file '/home/mailman/cron/qrunner'



Please help me to get ride of from this error.

Thanks
buddika




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Wed Mar 27 11:15:55 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:15:55 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help me please
In-Reply-To: <4721.203.143.10.194.1017215829.squirrel@www2.informatics.l
 k>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020327101359.0302be78@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 13:57 27/03/2002 +0600, prasanna buddika wrote:
>Hi
>
>
>I have instlled mailman.But I coundn't install properly.Then I delete the
>home/mailman dir.after that I keep getting masseges saying
>
>Message 1/8  From Cron Daemon                         Mar 27, 02 01:35:00
>PM +0600
>
>
>Return-Path: <postmaster at mail.osc.lk>
>Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:35:00 +0600
>To: mailman at mail.osc.lk
>Subject: Cron <mailman at mail> /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
>X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/sh>
>X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/home/mailman>
>X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/usr/bin:/bin>
>X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=mailman>
>
>/usr/bin/python: can't open file '/home/mailman/cron/qrunner'
>

cron is trying to run commands in the crontab for the mailman user. Remove 
the crontab for the uid mailman that you added when you did the 
installation of the Mailman software.


>Please help me to get ride of from this error.
>
>Thanks
>buddika




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Wed Mar 27 11:18:33 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:18:33 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I don't remember my administration
  password.
In-Reply-To: <073001c1d530$730098d0$6501a8c0@lerapc1>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020327101754.0302be78@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 20:39 26/03/2002 -0500, Jorge A. Lera wrote:
>What I need to do for get a new administration password??
>This is the link to my mailman 
>service: 
><http://lists.jalera.com/mailman/listinfo/jalera>http://lists.jalera.com/mailman/listinfo/jalera
>Thank you,
>Jorge A. Lera
>JALera Conslting Services, Inc.
>email: <mailto:jcs at jalera.com>jcs at jalera.com
>url: <http://jalera.com>http://jalera.com
>

use the command $prefix/bin/mmsitepass to set a new admin password




From jonas at freesources.org  Wed Mar 27 16:29:16 2002
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:29:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approve every post?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020326215008.02786850@mail.jfredball.com>
References: <017201c1d527$7bb53ac0$7b16a840@attbi.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020326215008.02786850@mail.jfredball.com>
Message-ID: <20020327152916.GA6535@jonas.server0.de>

On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 09:51:30PM -0600, J. Frederick Ball OEF wrote:
> >The reason it is being held:
> >    Message has implicit destination
> 
> Here is the problem -- if you have implicit destinations, such as addresses 
> in the bcc field, the message is held.

Wow, that's my problem too. And how can I tell mailman to ignore
implicit destination?

Bye
 Jonas

-- 
Claiming that your operating system is the best in the world because more 
people use it is like saying McDonalds makes the best food in the world.



From jonas at freesources.org  Wed Mar 27 16:31:47 2002
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:31:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
In-Reply-To: <045701c1d45c$c9636a60$6701acd4@peterleu>
References: <045701c1d45c$c9636a60$6701acd4@peterleu>
Message-ID: <20020327153147.GB6535@jonas.server0.de>

On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 01:25:34AM +0100, Peter, OL wrote:
> Guten Tag,
> ist es moeglich eine Anleitung fuer das Programm
> "Mailman 2.1" in deutsch zu bekommen, bzw.
> zumindest die wichtigsten Punkte?
> 
> Ich danke Ihnen schon im Voraus.

This is an international list. Please post in english next time.
Apart from this, I don't know a german tutorial for mailman 2.1.
But you could translate the english one ;)

Bye
 Jonas

-- 
Claiming that your operating system is the best in the world because more 
people use it is like saying McDonalds makes the best food in the world.



From dmitry at irex.ru  Wed Mar 27 16:36:05 2002
From: dmitry at irex.ru (Dmitry Barabanov)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:36:05 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <039BB23F5C0CD4119C3A00105AF5691C62E992@exchmos.irex.ru>

Dear Mailman users,

is there any easy way to strip Received: headers from messages that mailman
sends to subscribers?

Thanks,

******************************************
Dmitry N. Barabanov
IT Specialist, IREX/Moscow
tel 7-095-956-0978, fax 7-095-956-0977
e-mail: dmitry at irex.ru
******************************************



From TFarid at riedc.com  Wed Mar 27 17:23:21 2002
From: TFarid at riedc.com (Farid, Tarek)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:23:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old List Memebers
Message-ID: <805307277B0E8448AA8E6EF02C4DADD0425463@prexch01.riedc.com>

Hello,

 

I just installed a mailman 2.0.8 on a RH Linux 7.2 server. I had 6 lists
on an old server (which I do not have anymore) running mailman 1.x . I
was unsuccessful trying to upgrade the lists directly on the mm 2.0.8.
IS THERE A WAY I COULD EXTRECT THE LIST MEMEBERS (EMAILS) FROM THOSE OLD
LISTS? I think it would be much easier to recreate the lists in 2.0.8
and add the email addresses.

 

Thank you for your help,

 

TF

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From abw at hosting2000.com  Wed Mar 27 17:32:32 2002
From: abw at hosting2000.com (abw)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:32:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changes to existing mailing list
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020327070659.02711348@rospo1.bbn.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020326140315.00a8d260@k2.synapseglobal.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020327083107.00a8a8d0@everest.hosting2000.com>

It's on our server and this is for one of our clients. We are using solaris 
x86 with qmail. I'm not sure which file you speak of. Since we don't use 
email.fwd, I don't know what that leaves.

What config file do you mean?

>Did he check his config file for his MTA (i.e. sendmail, qmail, fetchmail)?
>
>Tom
>
>At 02:06 PM 03/26/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>>I hope this is the right list to post this question to. One of our users 
>>is having a problem with his mailing list now. Recently his domain 
>>expired and was bought by someone else, so he had to register the org 
>>version. That is the only difference, the name is the same.
>>
>>He went into the mailman admin for this list and made the necessary 
>>domain changes. The mailing list was working fine until he switched 
>>domains. Now it won't send confirmations. Below is a snippet of his email 
>>to me:
>>
>>-----
>>I changed all the setting in the config of mailman to all .org and it 
>>seems to be working ok, but it won't sent me the authorization of a post 
>>sent to it. Usually I sent the email newsletter to 
>>fmbseafood_newsletter at fmbseafood.org then it sends an auth email to me or 
>>casey and we ok it, then it goes out to everyone, but it won't even send 
>>it to me first for auth.
>>-----
>>
>>His email address does work because I send messages to him all the time.
>>
>>What I'm wondering is that since he switched the com with org, does the 
>>mailing list have to be set up again or is there another way around this?
>>
>>Thank you in advance for any help!
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------
>>Mailman-Users mailing list
>>Mailman-Users at python.org
>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>




From tneff at bigfoot.com  Wed Mar 27 18:28:57 2002
From: tneff at bigfoot.com (Tom Neff)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:28:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: stripping Received: headers
Message-ID: <1271226687.1017232137@tom-9k5kaocfpin>

Dmitry Barabanov <dmitry at irex.ru> wrote:
> is there any easy way to strip Received: headers from messages that
> mailman sends to subscribers?

There are utilities that are distributed with 'procmail' and/or 'maildrop' 
that are very useful for this sort of thing, in particular 'formail' and 
'reformail'. You can use them to add, remove, and extract headers, and do 
all sorts of things to scandalize the Mailman developers. :)

  Procmail: http://www.procmail.org/

  Maildrop: http://www.flounder.net/~mrsam/maildrop/




From anna at water.ca.gov  Wed Mar 27 19:08:30 2002
From: anna at water.ca.gov (Anna Fong)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:08:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old List Memebers
In-Reply-To: <E16qGnZ-0006DM-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020327100830.00a73a70@storm>

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From timg at rrv.net  Wed Mar 27 13:19:07 2002
From: timg at rrv.net (Timothy Gerla)
Date: 27 Mar 2002 07:19:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing subscriber with invalid character in email
Message-ID: <1017231547.3065.4.camel@coruscant.gerla.net>

Someone managed to subscribe to my list using a very strange email with
several unprintable (LF, I think) characters in her username. I can't
remove the entry because no matter what I try, Mailman chops off the
invalid characters and reports that the user does not exist in the list.

How can I remove this entry without rebuilding the list from scratch?
I've tried bin/remove_user. Any ideas?

I'm running Mailman 2.0.8.

Thanks,

-Tim




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Mar 27 20:02:20 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:02:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) 
In-Reply-To: Message from Dmitry Barabanov <dmitry@irex.ru> 
   of "Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:36:05 +0300." <039BB23F5C0CD4119C3A00105AF5691C62E992@exchmos.irex.ru> 
References: <039BB23F5C0CD4119C3A00105AF5691C62E992@exchmos.irex.ru> 
Message-ID: <5614.1017255740@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:36:05 +0300 
Dmitry Barabanov <dmitry at irex.ru> wrote:

> Dear Mailman users, is there any easy way to strip Received: headers
> from messages that mailman sends to subscribers?

Easiest way is to use a procmail/maildrop/hldfilter filter prior to the
Mailman wrapper to strip the headers.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From jpbuse at lambesis.com  Wed Mar 27 20:16:50 2002
From: jpbuse at lambesis.com (Jason Buscema)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:16:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing confirm message
Message-ID: <B8C75AA2.C359%jpbuse@lambesis.com>

I know how to turn on/off the welcome message,  but I want to be able to
edit the default confirm message. For the users of my list, the confirm
message is a little complicated. I assume editing the confirm message will
be a global change, and that is fine. I want to simplify the confirm
message.

Any ideas?




From dan at ssc.com  Wed Mar 27 20:23:26 2002
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:23:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <5614.1017255740@kanga.nu>
References: <039BB23F5C0CD4119C3A00105AF5691C62E992@exchmos.irex.ru> <5614.1017255740@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <20020327112325.C3136@ssc.com>

On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 11:02:20AM -0800, J C Lawrence wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:36:05 +0300 
> Dmitry Barabanov <dmitry at irex.ru> wrote:
> 
> > Dear Mailman users, is there any easy way to strip Received: headers
> > from messages that mailman sends to subscribers?
> 
> Easiest way is to use a procmail/maildrop/hldfilter filter prior to the
> Mailman wrapper to strip the headers.

Be aware that not having these headers will make troubleshooting 
certain kinds of subscriber problems more difficult.  Not an
issue for announce-only lists, and maybe not so much an issue
for moderated lists, but for others, keep a copy.

If you use procmail/formail to strip headers you might make a 
directory 

/var/lib/mailman/localdata/listname/

that can be written by the mailman user, and put in the 
listname procmail filter

:0c
/var/lib/mailman/localdata/listname

prior to the stanza that strips headers.  Procmail will
then put a copy each incoming post in a uniquely-named file
in the listname directory.  Your favorite tmpfile tidying
method can be used to eliminate posts too old to be of
interest for troubleshooting purposes.

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From embrey at hood.edu  Wed Mar 27 21:41:11 2002
From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:41:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020327153835.0274ea30@hermes.hood.edu>

I am receiving this error when this cron job runs. What is causing this and 
how would I go about fixing it?

Cron <root at helios> /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner

Traceback (innermost last):
   File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ?
     from Mailman import MailList
EOFError: EOF read where object expected

Bruce Embrey


Bruce Edward Embrey : Systems Manager / Campus Email Admin. : Hood College
embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927 : Fax (301)696-3913




From lothar.egger at chello.at  Thu Mar 28 00:01:22 2002
From: lothar.egger at chello.at (Lothar Egger)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 00:01:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question: is there a 'list or file or db' where the bounce mailaddresses are stored ?
Message-ID: <000401c1d5e3$50422850$0210a8c0@theking>

hello all

sorry if this was asked before, i could not find an answer to my
question.

we don't have a list server so far but what we are trying to do
is, feed a list server with email-addresses (100.000+ and growing) from
our databases.

of course not all email-addressee are correct :)
so we need a list of bounced email-addresses to update our db's .

is there such a list or file in mailman ?


thanks in advance

lothar





From paul at paulsfunhouse.com  Thu Mar 28 00:56:51 2002
From: paul at paulsfunhouse.com (Paul Croft)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:56:51 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question: is there a 'list or file
  or db' where the bounce mailaddresses are stored ?
In-Reply-To: <000401c1d5e3$50422850$0210a8c0@theking>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020327175517.02286a30@paulsfunhouse.com>

Your asking for a list of bounced addresses?  That list would be millions 
of addresses long...I doubt if anyone has anything like that!

Your best best would be to input the addresses into the lists and let the 
software do the work!

This is of course JMHO

Paul

The ultimate search engine:
http://www.paulsfunhouse.com/search/


At 05:01 PM 27/03/02, Lothar Egger wrote:

>of course not all email-addressee are correct :)
>so we need a list of bounced email-addresses to update our db's .
>
>is there such a list or file in mailman ?
>
>thanks in advance
>
>lothar







From ahmedf at alienfluid.com  Thu Mar 28 03:16:35 2002
From: ahmedf at alienfluid.com (Farhan Ahmed)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:16:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question: is there a 'list or file  or
 db' where the bounce mailaddresses are stored ?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020327175517.02286a30@paulsfunhouse.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0203272115170.17198-100000@www.alienfluid.com>

I guess he's asking if Mailman has a feature which allows it to store all 
the bounced addresses in a mailing list in a file. Hmm .. you can try 
logs/bounce for a list of such addresses I think ...

On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Paul Croft wrote:

> Your asking for a list of bounced addresses?  That list would be millions 
> of addresses long...I doubt if anyone has anything like that!
> 
> Your best best would be to input the addresses into the lists and let the 
> software do the work!
> 
> This is of course JMHO
> 
> Paul
> 
> The ultimate search engine:
> http://www.paulsfunhouse.com/search/
> 
> 
> At 05:01 PM 27/03/02, Lothar Egger wrote:
> 
> >of course not all email-addressee are correct :)
> >so we need a list of bounced email-addresses to update our db's .
> >
> >is there such a list or file in mailman ?
> >
> >thanks in advance
> >
> >lothar
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 

-- 

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Project Leader - FreeLinuxTraining.org
Opaquenetworks
farhan at enawabs.com






From greybeard at pobox.com  Thu Mar 28 04:09:17 2002
From: greybeard at pobox.com (William Waggoner)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:09:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0203272115170.17198-100000@www.alienfluid.com>
Message-ID: <001601c1d605$f2ca2880$0401a8c0@greybeard.org>

OK, I'll bite ...

I looked at my bounce log ... neat stuff in there too.

What's:

"digester lucked out" mean?

----
Bill W
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farhan Ahmed" <ahmedf at alienfluid.com>
To: "Paul Croft" <paul at paulsfunhouse.com>
Cc: "Lothar Egger" <lothar.egger at chello.at>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question: is there a 'list or file or
db' where the bounce mailaddresses are stored ?


> I guess he's asking if Mailman has a feature which allows it to store all
> the bounced addresses in a mailing list in a file. Hmm .. you can try
> logs/bounce for a list of such addresses I think ...
>





From rjones at email.unc.edu  Thu Mar 28 05:10:55 2002
From: rjones at email.unc.edu (RUSSELL P JONES)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 23:10:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID revisited...
In-Reply-To: <001601c1d605$f2ca2880$0401a8c0@greybeard.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.21L1.0203272259540.54440-100000@login9.isis.unc.edu>

Ok, so after some help from a few very awesome folks... I reconfigured
mailman using the --with-mail-gid=1

the email i was receiving back said that it was looking for gid 6 but was
getting gid 1, so I recompiled with that gid. I looked through etc/passwd
and the daemon is set as gid 1. I dont know what that means, but I went
with it anyway...

well, now when I send a message to a listserv,  I do not receive an email
telling me that the gid is wrong, but the email also does not get through
to the members of the listserv. Its as if it just gets stuck somewhere...

Any ideas? Any log files I could look at for clues? 

Everything else is still working great, web stuff still works, it still
sends out welcome messages when you add people to groups, etc...

If its any help, the mail server is linux based. I am actually operating
a web server from a win2k box and the mail server from a separate unix
box, the web stuff is administered from the ip of the mailserver.
(66.111.67.23/mailman/admin/) 

With that being said, should i just put myself out of my misery, or are
there any ideas?

thanks

russ




From bluetrance1980 at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 28 07:03:40 2002
From: bluetrance1980 at hotmail.com (blueTrance)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 17:03:40 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Introduction Email
Message-ID: <DAV60z2Mb1s7nlT2NqF0000f0c6@hotmail.com>

Hi list,

I am looking for a way to send an introduction email out to new users on a mailing list.  For example to send out the list FAQ and guide lines and a brief welcome message after the user subscribes to the list.

Is there a way to do this with the mailman package?  If so any help on how to do this would be appreciated.

Thanks


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From quartertone at mac.com  Thu Mar 28 10:01:13 2002
From: quartertone at mac.com (Gary Wang)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:01:13 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems sending to (my) list...
Message-ID: <5B17880E-422A-11D6-8D4B-0003930418EA@mac.com>

hiya. I just installed and configured Mailman on a server running RedHat 
Linux 7.1. The MTA is Postfix, which (I think) is supposed to work like 
sendmail. I have been over the configurations numerous times, but I 
can't seem to find what I am missing.  When I send a test message to my 
"test" list, my /var/log/maillog just tells me there's no such user as 
"test". The MailerDaemon error message says the same thing. Following 
the "Common Problems FAQ" for sendmail problems, I also created a ln -s 
/home/mailman/mail/wrapper  etc/smrsh/wrapper. What am I missing? (or is 
Postfix just not compatible??)

thanks,
gary

gary c wang
ICQ: 4343405




From dan at ssc.com  Thu Mar 28 10:15:47 2002
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 01:15:47 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems sending to (my) list...
In-Reply-To: <5B17880E-422A-11D6-8D4B-0003930418EA@mac.com>
References: <5B17880E-422A-11D6-8D4B-0003930418EA@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20020328011547.A26616@ssc.com>

On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 06:01:13PM +0900, Gary Wang wrote:
> hiya. I just installed and configured Mailman on a server running RedHat 
> Linux 7.1. The MTA is Postfix, which (I think) is supposed to work like 
> sendmail. I have been over the configurations numerous times, but I 
> can't seem to find what I am missing.  When I send a test message to my 
> "test" list, my /var/log/maillog just tells me there's no such user as 
> "test". The MailerDaemon error message says the same thing. Following 
> the "Common Problems FAQ" for sendmail problems, I also created a ln -s 
> /home/mailman/mail/wrapper  etc/smrsh/wrapper. What am I missing? (or is 
> Postfix just not compatible??)

Did you happen to think to run 

  postmap /etc/aliases

??

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From dan at ssc.com  Thu Mar 28 10:18:59 2002
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 01:18:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems sending to (my) list...
In-Reply-To: <20020328011547.A26616@ssc.com>
References: <5B17880E-422A-11D6-8D4B-0003930418EA@mac.com> <20020328011547.A26616@ssc.com>
Message-ID: <20020328011859.A27540@ssc.com>

On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 01:15:47AM -0800, Dan Wilder wrote:
> 
> Did you happen to think to run 
> 
>   postmap /etc/aliases
> 
> ??
> 

Arraugh.  Er.

   postalias /etc/aliases

Fumble mind.

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From quartertone at mac.com  Thu Mar 28 10:19:31 2002
From: quartertone at mac.com (Gary Wang)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:19:31 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: got it.
In-Reply-To: <5B17880E-422A-11D6-8D4B-0003930418EA@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E98E1D09-422C-11D6-8D4B-0003930418EA@mac.com>

never mind..
I found this in the archives.

cheers,
gary

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jorge Biquez" <jbiquez at icsmx.com>
> > I read on the archives that I need to be sure that aliases is 
> corrected
> > written and updated with "newaliases"
> >
> > Do I have to create a user each time I create a list (in this case
> prueba8 ) ?
>
> The answer is "yes", unless you use the -o option when setting up the 
> list
> with "newlist".




From darryl at harvey.net.au  Thu Mar 28 13:53:00 2002
From: darryl at harvey.net.au (Darryl Harvey)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 23:53:00 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Headers
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020328235053.00aa7dc0@mail.off.ournet.com.au>

I was wondering if there was an option to turn on or off the email headers 
that mailman adds.

IE:
List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>


They take up a lot of header space, else maybe move them above the To: 
From: Subject: lines??

I searched the FAQ and the admin docs, but found nothing mentioning these 
headers.  They can get ugly on some mail readers (IE: Eudora)

Thanks
Darryl




From linux at ke6upi.com  Wed Mar 27 23:52:31 2002
From: linux at ke6upi.com (linux at ke6upi.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 06:52:31 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] smtp error
Message-ID: <200203272252.g2RMqVv01590@ke6upi.com>

Hello All, I installed RedHat 7.2 with Mailman from the CD's. I checked the /var/mailman/logs/smtp and I see an error.

Mar 28 06:51:02 2002 (1584) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.011 seconds
Mar 28 06:51:02 2002 (1584) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused')

Can anyone tell me what the error is and how to fix it?

Thanks, David

From tneff at bigfoot.com  Thu Mar 28 15:59:16 2002
From: tneff at bigfoot.com (Tom Neff)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:59:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: stripping Received: headers
In-Reply-To: <E16qZST-0002IQ-00@mail.python.org>
References: <E16qZST-0002IQ-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <53864781.1017309556@tom-9k5kaocfpin>

Dan Wilder <dan at ssc.com> wrote:
> Be aware that not having [Received:] headers will make troubleshooting
> certain kinds of subscriber problems more difficult.  Not an
> issue for announce-only lists, and maybe not so much an issue
> for moderated lists, but for others, keep a copy.

The simplest way to keep a copy is just to add a file to the alias entry 
when you create the list, e.g.

  mylist: /var/spool/lists/mylist,"|/home/mailman2/mail/wrapper post mylist"

Even better would be to keep a big "Received Chronicle":

  mylist: "|/usr/local/bin/reformail -c -X Message-Id: -X Received: |sort 
>>/var/spool/lists/mylist_recvd","|/usr/local/bin/reformail -I Received: | 
/home/mailman2/mail/wrapper post mylist"

That file would contain just the message ID's (or you could use From:) 
followed by their Received: lines.  Tracking down a problem would be 
relatively easy.

You can use one of the log rotater programs to swap these out when they get 
too big.




From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Thu Mar 28 16:31:57 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 28 Mar 2002 16:31:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approve every post?
In-Reply-To: Jonas Meurer's message of "Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:29:16 +0100"
References: <017201c1d527$7bb53ac0$7b16a840@attbi.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20020326215008.02786850@mail.jfredball.com>
	<20020327152916.GA6535@jonas.server0.de>
Message-ID: <m3u1r0n1xu.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

Jonas Meurer <jonas at freesources.org> writes:

> J. Frederick Ball OEF wrote:
>
> > >The reason it is being held:
> > >    Message has implicit destination
> > 
> > Here is the problem -- if you have implicit destinations, such as addresses 
> > in the bcc field, the message is held.
> 
> Wow, that's my problem too. And how can I tell mailman to ignore
> implicit destination?

Privacy Options

Must posts have list named in destination
(to, cc) field (or be among the acceptable
alias names, specified below)?                        [X] No  [ ] Yes


 Mit freundlichen Gr??en
 Detlef Neubauer

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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Thu Mar 28 16:35:14 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 28 Mar 2002 16:35:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing confirm message
In-Reply-To: Jason Buscema's message of "Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:16:50 -0800"
References: <B8C75AA2.C359%jpbuse@lambesis.com>
Message-ID: <m3pu1on1sd.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

Jason Buscema <jpbuse at lambesis.com> writes:

> I want to simplify the confirm message.

$EDITOR $MAILMANHOME/templates/verify.txt


 Mit freundlichen Gr??en
 Detlef Neubauer

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From nmontano at laplaza.org  Thu Mar 28 16:47:38 2002
From: nmontano at laplaza.org (Nancy Montano)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:47:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Private archives available via Internet
Message-ID: <3CA33B1A.7CBD1706@laplaza.org>

It has come to our attention that mailman archives are available via the
Internet even though mailman archives are deemed as private for mailing
list members viewing only.

If you do a search on Google or any other search engine you can find any
message that was posted to the mailing list.  This is a problem for our
private mailing lists.

Is there  a way to ensure that this is not available?  Also how do you
get read of messages in the archives?

Nancy Montano


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From rjones at email.unc.edu  Thu Mar 28 16:50:53 2002
From: rjones at email.unc.edu (RUSSELL P JONES)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:50:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail not getting through, but w/ no error message
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.21L1.0203281049590.52518-100000@login2.isis.unc.edu>

Ok, so after some help from a few very awesome folks... I reconfigured
mailman using the --with-mail-gid=1

the email i was receiving back said that it was looking for gid 6 but was
getting gid 1, so I recompiled with that gid. I looked through etc/passwd
and the daemon is set as gid 1. I dont know what that means, but I went
with it anyway...

well, now when I send a message to a listserv,  I do not receive an email
telling me that the gid is wrong, but the email also does not get through
to the members of the listserv. Its as if it just gets stuck somewhere...

Any ideas? Any log files I could look at for clues? 

Everything else is still working great, web stuff still works, it still
sends out welcome messages when you add people to groups, etc...

If its any help, the mail server is linux based. I am actually operating
a web server from a win2k box and the mail server from a separate unix
box, the web stuff is administered from the ip of the mailserver.
(66.111.67.23/mailman/admin/) 

With that being said, should i just put myself out of my misery, or are
there any ideas?

thanks

russ





From jwblist at olympus.net  Thu Mar 28 17:39:19 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:39:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Headers
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020328235053.00aa7dc0@mail.off.ournet.com.au>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020328235053.00aa7dc0@mail.off.ournet.com.au>
Message-ID: <p05101502b8c8f6980633@[207.149.192.229]>

At 23:53 +1100 3/28/2002, Darryl Harvey wrote:
>I searched the FAQ and the admin docs, but found nothing mentioning these
>headers.  They can get ugly on some mail readers (IE: Eudora)

They can be turned off in Eudora (it's easier in the Mac version than the
Windows version).  I have my Eudora set to show the List-Post: and suppress
the others.  I think the method is in the FAQ.

Yes...
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

I searched on headers and scrolled down to 4.1

Note that if you remove the headers, you make life harder for users of mail
programs which make use of them.  Unfortunately, that's a set missing some
key players.

   --John
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From mailing at desktop.carfield.com.hk  Thu Mar 28 18:07:12 2002
From: mailing at desktop.carfield.com.hk (Carfield Yim)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:07:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem - gid not find
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0203281205320.8481-100000@desktop.carfield.com.hk>

I get the following problem in mailman when try to send mail to the list:


[ Part 2: 'Delivery error report' ]

Reporting-MTA: dns; desktop.carfield.com.hk
Arrival-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 05:45:04 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; smartcarpark at desktop.carfield.com.hk
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 2:
'/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post smartcarpark'. Command output:
Failure
to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 65534. (Reconfigure to take
65534?)



How can I fix it? 

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From donna at v1.wustl.edu  Thu Mar 28 19:46:22 2002
From: donna at v1.wustl.edu (Donna Hanlon)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:46:22 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: smtp error (linux@ke6upi.com)
References: <E16qdHh-0004WN-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3CA364FE.461CBE33@v1.wustl.edu>

mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
> Mar 28 06:51:02 2002 (1584) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.011 seconds
> Mar 28 06:51:02 2002 (1584) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused')
> Can anyone tell me what the error is and how to fix it?

Make sure your mm_cfg.py has a line like this:

SMTPHOST = 'your_hostname.yourdoman'

Also, if you can access /var/log/maillog, it will give you more
information.

Donna



From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Mar 28 19:54:06 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:54:06 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Private archives available via Internet
In-Reply-To: <3CA33B1A.7CBD1706@laplaza.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020328174556.039a9330@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 08:47 28/03/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>It has come to our attention that mailman archives are available via the
>Internet even though mailman archives are deemed as private for mailing
>list members viewing only.

What are the URL paths being returned by the search engine.

Do they point to the web server delivering your Mailman web GUI? This is 
not such a dumb question as it might appear. It is entirely possible for a 
list subscriber to direct their incoming mail from the list to their own 
archive and it is this source which is being referenced by the search 
engines. Potentially the same content as your mailman archive just a 
different location/URL.

If  the URLs being returned point to the web server delivering your Mailman 
web GUI, do they begin with the public archive alias (default /pipermail/) 
or the private script alias (default /mailman/private/) or some other path?

This could give some clue as to how a search engine's indexer gained access 
to the private mail archives you are concerned about.

Any list that was created as private and has stayed as private ever since 
can only be accessed using HTTP, on a _properly_ configured system, via 
mailman's CGI script in $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/private.py. And this script 
requires a list subscribed member e-mail id and associated password before 
it allows list access.

If the web server concerned was mis-configured, so that it could serve the 
pages directly from the private archive storage through the file system via 
some other URL path, rather than the proper CGI path of 
/mailman/private/<listname>/..., this could give a clue as to what is 
causing your problem.

If the lists concerned were at some time public then the indexer could have 
accessed them at that time but the URL paths returned by the search engine 
would be of the form /pipermail/<listname>/... and following the link 
should now fail if the list is now private.

>If you do a search on Google or any other search engine you can find any
>message that was posted to the mailing list.  This is a problem for our
>private mailing lists.

But can you access the actual archive mail file via the URL returned by the 
search without having a valid member id and associated password?

The source of your problem will hinge in part on how the search engine 
indexers are crawling your web site. Is it pure 'arms length' HTTP access?

One of the problems with indexing Mailman private list archives to provide 
legitimate search facilities is the cookie authentication scheme used to 
control access by $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/private.py script. The indexers for 
some search engines are not programmed to handle this type of 
authentication. For instance, with the htdig search engine, in order to set 
up search of private list archives one has to do the indexing of them in 
the file space i.e. the indexer has to access the archive files through the 
filing system, and provide the indexer with a rule for mapping the file 
space paths back to the URLs that are to be returned in subsequent search 
results.

Is it possible that such an access path has been set up on your system for 
indexing private archives and that the index information has 'leaked' onto 
a publicly available search engine?

I see you have a search facility on your site. How is this implemented? 
Could this be the source of the leakage from the private mail archives to 
other search engines? How does your site search facility (it appears to be 
delivered by http://search.atomz.com/search/) do its indexing?

Also, I see your site makes use of PHP - no criticism intended - but the 
tools to drive a coach and horse through Mailman's attempts at archive 
security are ready to hand.

>Is there  a way to ensure that this is not available?  Also how do you

Yes:

1. configure your mailman and associated web server correctly

2. control the setup of any local archive search facility you set up to 
ensure the information it holds does not leak to outside search engines.

3. add a restriction on access for /mailman/ to your site's robots.txt: yes 
I know! But some search engine crawlers honor it


>get read of messages in the archives?

I assume you meant "get rid of messages in the archives". If so yes:

1. Edit the raw message in list's mailbox file 
$prefix/archives/private/<listname>.mbox to remove the offending messages.

2. Rebuild the archive using the command $prefix/bin/arch <listname>

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From linux at ke6upi.com  Thu Mar 28 05:24:43 2002
From: linux at ke6upi.com (linux at ke6upi.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:24:43 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] smtp error is now fixed
Message-ID: <200203280424.g2S4Ohi01717@ke6upi.com>

Sendmail was accepting on 199.245.188.13 not 127.0.0.1.
My /etc/hosts file had 127.0.0.1    ke6upi.com ke6upi localhost localhost.localdomain.
I changed it to 
127.0.0.1	localhost localhost.localdomain
199.245.188.13 ke6upi.com

Thanks for the help, David Shaw

From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Thu Mar 28 21:24:49 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:24:49 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosting / list name
Message-ID: <20020328202449.GA31111@hq.newdream.net>

so i have a question, which it seems other people may have
experienced...  is there any way to change the email addresses that
mailman sends out to list admins / subscribers?

here's an example:
i have a domain will.invalid and a mailing list named list.

we use a virtual hosting setup, so we actually make the "list-name":
list-will.invalid at lists.will.invalid

even though aliases point:
list at lists.will.invalid to the actual list post.

is there any way to make mailman report the shorter name (without
breaking the list)?

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Mar 28 23:38:39 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:38:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Headers 
In-Reply-To: Message from Darryl Harvey <darryl@harvey.net.au> 
   of "Thu, 28 Mar 2002 23:53:00 +1100." <5.1.0.14.2.20020328235053.00aa7dc0@mail.off.ournet.com.au> 
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020328235053.00aa7dc0@mail.off.ournet.com.au> 
Message-ID: <28832.1017355119@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 23:53:00 +1100 
Darryl Harvey <darryl at harvey.net.au> wrote:

> I was wondering if there was an option to turn on or off the email
> headers that mailman adds.

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Mar 28 23:43:14 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:43:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosting / list name
References: <20020328202449.GA31111@hq.newdream.net>
Message-ID: <3CA39C82.2EAEE8@pcraft.com>

Will Yardley wrote:

> we use a virtual hosting setup, so we actually make the "list-name":
> list-will.invalid at lists.will.invalid
>
> even though aliases point:
> list at lists.will.invalid to the actual list post.

 I take a different approach:

 - I create <list> just the way I want it named  (for example: test)

 - Sendmail's virtusertable does the following translation:
    test at lists.domain.net             test-lists.domain.net
    test-admin at lists.domain.net       test-admin-lists.domain.net
    test-request at lists.domain.net     test-request-lists.domain.net
    test-owner at lists.domain.net       test-admin-lists.domain.net

 - The Alias file takes care of the rest (lines wrapped):
    ## test at lists.domain.net mailing list
    ## created: 13-Dec-2000 root
    test-lists.domain.net:         \
         "|/home/mailman/lists.domain.net/mail/wrapper post test"
    test-admin-lists.domain.net:   \
         "|/home/mailman/lists.domain.net/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
    test-request-lists.domain.net: \
         "|/home/mailman/lists.domain.net/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"


 This allows me to have multiple 'test' lists across multiple domains, on the
same machine, all behaving as separate lists.  (This also means I have multiple
MM installations.)

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From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Fri Mar 29 00:38:44 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:38:44 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: virtual hosting / list name
In-Reply-To: <3CA39C82.2EAEE8@pcraft.com>
References: <20020328202449.GA31111@hq.newdream.net> <3CA39C82.2EAEE8@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <20020328233844.GA12291@hq.newdream.net>

Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
> Will Yardley wrote:
 
> > we use a virtual hosting setup, so we actually make the "list-name":
> > list-will.invalid at lists.will.invalid
> >
> > even though aliases point:
> > list at lists.will.invalid to the actual list post.

>  I take a different approach:
> 
>  - I create <list> just the way I want it named  (for example: test)
> 
>  - Sendmail's virtusertable does the following translation:
>     test at lists.domain.net             test-lists.domain.net
[...] 
>  - The Alias file takes care of the rest (lines wrapped):
>     ## test at lists.domain.net mailing list
>     ## created: 13-Dec-2000 root
>     test-lists.domain.net:         \
>          "|/home/mailman/lists.domain.net/mail/wrapper post test"
 
> This allows me to have multiple 'test' lists across multiple domains,
> on the same machine, all behaving as separate lists.  (This also means
> I have multiple MM installations.)

hrmm that seems like an interesting way to do things.  do you use an
automated system to create each one?  i think a variation on this might
fit our needs pretty well (although a way to simply change the email
address sent by mailman would, of course, be nicer :>)

do you use symbolic links for commands and just create a new directory
structure for the data directories and stuff?  seems like having lots of
full mailman installations might be a major headache when it comes time
to upgrade (keep in mind that we have about 10-12k customers and are now
starting to allow unlimited discussion lists on all plans)...

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Mar 29 00:47:25 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:47:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: virtual hosting / list name
References: <20020328202449.GA31111@hq.newdream.net> <3CA39C82.2EAEE8@pcraft.com> <20020328233844.GA12291@hq.newdream.net>
Message-ID: <3CA3AB8D.FCAA6C9F@pcraft.com>

Will Yardley wrote:

> hrmm that seems like an interesting way to do things.  do you use an
> automated system to create each one?

    Yeah, it's called 'My Ten Fingers'...  :)


> do you use symbolic links for commands and just create a new directory
> structure for the data directories and stuff?

    No, although I have thought about that.  Not sure if it will work or not -
never tried it.

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Mar 29 02:01:01 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:01:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail not getting through, but w/ no error message
In-Reply-To: <Pine.A41.4.21L1.0203281049590.52518-100000@login2.isis.unc.edu>
References: <Pine.A41.4.21L1.0203281049590.52518-100000@login2.isis.unc.edu>
Message-ID: <200203290059.TAA16628@salsa.haht.com>

You may have a rights issue. 
  su - mailman
  bin/check_perms

if that comes up clean, try editing /etc/mail/access and adding the ip 
address of your server followed by the keword "RELAY"

That should brute force Sendmail to allow any mail from this machine to be 
sent.

 --- Original Message: Thursday 28 March 2002 10:50 am ---
> Ok, so after some help from a few very awesome folks... I reconfigured
> mailman using the --with-mail-gid=1
>
> the email i was receiving back said that it was looking for gid 6 but was
> getting gid 1, so I recompiled with that gid. I looked through etc/passwd
> and the daemon is set as gid 1. I dont know what that means, but I went
> with it anyway...
>
> well, now when I send a message to a listserv,  I do not receive an email
> telling me that the gid is wrong, but the email also does not get through
> to the members of the listserv. Its as if it just gets stuck somewhere...
>
> Any ideas? Any log files I could look at for clues?
>
> Everything else is still working great, web stuff still works, it still
> sends out welcome messages when you add people to groups, etc...
>
> If its any help, the mail server is linux based. I am actually operating
> a web server from a win2k box and the mail server from a separate unix
> box, the web stuff is administered from the ip of the mailserver.
> (66.111.67.23/mailman/admin/)
>
> With that being said, should i just put myself out of my misery, or are
> there any ideas?
>
> thanks
>
> russ
>
>
>
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From cassagne at club-internet.fr  Fri Mar 29 02:13:17 2002
From: cassagne at club-internet.fr (Herve Cassagne)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:13:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ? How to change the Object of the Welcome message ?
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020329021308.00cb2d70@mail.club-internet.fr>

Hi folks,


I want to change the object of the welcome message
(oh, not much, the idea is simply to put it in french
since the mail will be sent to French people - who usually
do not really like the english language as I do).

Has anybody done it before ? Any clue ?
Of course I'd like to change te Goodbye message too,
but I guess it's pretty much the same.

Have a nice week-end
(Wonderful spring weather here in Paris :-))


Herve' Cassagne 



From gcavazos at sparc.dnsalias.net  Fri Mar 29 02:48:06 2002
From: gcavazos at sparc.dnsalias.net (Gus)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:48:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (HELP) List not logging posts
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203282045040.9182-100000@sparc.dnsalias.net>

I have a server on which I am running two lists. One of the lists
logs all the posts to ../mailman/logs/post
The other list I am running does not log the posts. Am I missing
a configuration parameter somewhere? I created the lists identically.
The only difference are that one of the lists is gatewaying to USENET
and handles only batches.

Any help is appreciated...

Regards,
Gus




From quartertone at mac.com  Fri Mar 29 14:41:19 2002
From: quartertone at mac.com (Gary Wang)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:41:19 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive access with only password?
Message-ID: <A6767115-431A-11D6-9740-0003930418EA@mac.com>

I was hacking around my new Mailman setup, and found out to my great 
surprise:
The "private" archives are accessible without a username. Well, that's 
only half the story, but it really caught me by surprise. I eventually 
figured out that the list is accessible by entering just the admin 
password. Is there a way to change this so that admin also needs to 
enter username?

thanks
cheers,
gary


gary c wang
ICQ: 4343405




From jarrell at vt.edu  Fri Mar 29 14:48:21 2002
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:48:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive access with only password?
In-Reply-To: <A6767115-431A-11D6-9740-0003930418EA@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020329084719.054e2ac0@lennier.cc.vt.edu>

At 10:41 PM 3/29/02 +0900, Gary Wang wrote:
>I was hacking around my new Mailman setup, and found out to my great surprise:
>The "private" archives are accessible without a username. Well, that's only half the story, but it really caught me by surprise. I eventually figured out that the list is accessible by entering just the admin password. Is there a way to change this so that admin also needs to enter username?

2.1b1 does that, which I find annoying as hell, because now if I need to fix something I have to first go lookup a valid user on the list to use the admin password on...  But it sounds like you'll be happy :-).




From quartertone at mac.com  Fri Mar 29 15:14:59 2002
From: quartertone at mac.com (Gary Wang)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 23:14:59 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive access with only password?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020329084719.054e2ac0@lennier.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <5A72E578-431F-11D6-9740-0003930418EA@mac.com>

Well, it IS rather convinient, but I am more concerned of the potential 
(sort-of) security risk. Because access is allowed without username, 
some d00d with evil intent would have an easier time brute-forcing the 
password..
You know what 'they' say... to catch the bad guys, you have to think 
like them..
On Friday, March 29, 2002, at 10:48  PM, Ron Jarrell wrote:

> At 10:41 PM 3/29/02 +0900, Gary Wang wrote:
>> I was hacking around my new Mailman setup, and found out to my great 
>> surprise:
>> The "private" archives are accessible without a username. Well, that's 
>> only half the story, but it really caught me by surprise. I eventually 
>> figured out that the list is accessible by entering just the admin 
>> password. Is there a way to change this so that admin also needs to 
>> enter username?
>
> 2.1b1 does that, which I find annoying as hell, because now if I need 
> to fix something I have to first go lookup a valid user on the list to 
> use the admin password on...  But it sounds like you'll be happy :-).
>
>
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>
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ICQ: 4343405




From erik at heels.com  Fri Mar 29 15:26:13 2002
From: erik at heels.com (Erik J. Heels)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:26:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin's private_roster default vs. subscriber's conceal default
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020329091140.00aa5390@pop.heels.com>

Greetings,

My list is set up so that only the administrator can view the list of 
subscribers.  I did this by setting private_roster=2 (List admin only) on 
the admin's "Privacy Options" page.

However, when subscribers login, they see that conceal=0 is the 
default.  I.e. they see under "Conceal yourself from subscriber list?" that 
"no" is checked.  My understanding is that this conceal setting doesn't 
matter with private_roster=2, but IF private_roster were set to 0 (anyone) 
or 1 (list members) then the individual subscribers could still override 
the admin default (with conceal=yes) and prevent their e-mail from being seen.

Is there any way to make conceal=yes the default?  And is my understanding 
of the relationship between private_roster and conceal correct?  Just want 
to make sure that my subscribers feel secure about their privacy (by 
default).  Thanks!

Regards,
Erik


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From quartertone at mac.com  Fri Mar 29 16:20:30 2002
From: quartertone at mac.com (Gary Wang)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 00:20:30 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] publicly advertised lists in v.2.1b1
Message-ID: <81451A49-4328-11D6-9740-0003930418EA@mac.com>

I just installed v2.1b1, and I have to say that its support for 
multi-language lists is excellent! One thing I can't seem to get working 
is the main /mailman/admin page. It is supposed to list the "publicly 
available" mailing lists, but I don't know what that means. I haven't 
found the setting to make a list "public" in the configurations...

help...?
gary

gary c wang
ICQ: 4343405




From sysadmin at ladylinux.com  Fri Mar 29 16:45:57 2002
From: sysadmin at ladylinux.com (Francesca C Smith)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 10:45:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Host How-To ???
Message-ID: <00e501c1d738$d283fbd0$0100a8c0@FrannieLaptop>

Hiya,

Just wondering if there is a FAQ out there somewhere that describes basic Virtual Host set-up ??? 

Im thinking you have to install the software for each domain in its own directory ?? 

Just some ideas on how this is done would be appreciated .. (Not stuff like .configure settings .. That I can handle ) Just the basic steps .. 

Francesca C Smith
Lady Linux Internet Services
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From sysadmin at ladylinux.com  Fri Mar 29 17:09:43 2002
From: sysadmin at ladylinux.com (Francesca C Smith)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:09:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Hosting Faq ??
Message-ID: <010701c1d73c$250a0db0$0100a8c0@FrannieLaptop>

Hiya,

Just wondering if there is a FAQ out there somewhere that describes basic
Virtual Host set-up ???

Im thinking you have to install the software for each domain in its own
directory ??

Just some ideas on how this is done would be appreciated .. (Not stuff like
.configure settings .. That I can handle ) Just the basic steps ..

Francesca C Smith
Lady Linux Internet Services






From mailing at desktop.carfield.com.hk  Sat Mar 30 06:19:50 2002
From: mailing at desktop.carfield.com.hk (Carfield Yim)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 00:19:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem - gid not find
In-Reply-To: <Pine.A41.4.21L1.0203281351270.42956-100000@login6.isis.unc.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0203292221290.3332-100000@desktop.carfield.com.hk>

On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, RUSSELL P JONES wrote:

> from the directory with the install files for mailman...
> 
> %make clean
> %./configure --with-mail-gid=65534
> %make install
> 
> see if that helps. this is a really common problem (getting the wrong
> group-id) and is addressed in the mailman faq
> 
> 
Thx for reply, and I have reat the FAQ first. However, the situation is
quit difference than the FAQ mention. The gid of mail is not 65535, but
the request one. 

Besides, I don't encounter the error before I upgrade msec to latest version.




From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Fri Mar 29 18:28:10 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:28:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Virtual Hosting Faq ??
In-Reply-To: <010701c1d73c$250a0db0$0100a8c0@FrannieLaptop>
References: <010701c1d73c$250a0db0$0100a8c0@FrannieLaptop>
Message-ID: <20020329172810.GA16060@hq.newdream.net>

Francesca C Smith wrote:

> Just wondering if there is a FAQ out there somewhere that describes
> basic Virtual Host set-up ???

well there was a thread on this just yesterday, so you might check the
archives.
 
> Im thinking you have to install the software for each domain in its
> own directory ??

that's the solution that one person suggested (we currently use the ugly
hack of naming the list list-domain.invalid at lists.domain.invalid,
although list at lists.domain.invalid is made an alias.

it would be nice if you could change the email address that the list
sends out and so on, but currently we're leaning towards the second
solution.

i'm imagining (as mentioned in my other mail), that instead of full
multiple installations, simply creating symolic links for all of the
program directories, and then creating new directories for all the data.

> Just some ideas on how this is done would be appreciated .. (Not stuff
> like .configure settings .. That I can handle ) Just the basic steps
> ..

HTH.

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From tneff at bigfoot.com  Fri Mar 29 18:37:20 2002
From: tneff at bigfoot.com (Tom Neff)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:37:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: how to remove List-* headers
In-Reply-To: <E16qxBg-00007A-00@mail.python.org>
References: <E16qxBg-00007A-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <38412609.1017405440@[192.168.0.4]>

On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 23:53:00 +1100
Darryl Harvey <darryl at harvey.net.au> wrote:
> I was wondering if there was an option to turn on or off the email
> headers that mailman adds.

This is one of their ideological hot buttons - you're not supposed to WANT 
to turn them off. :)

Back in the real world - go to $base/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py - down 
in the last few lines - and look for a line saying

	msg[h] = v

Comment that out with a # at the beginning of the line, and the headers are 
toast.  I never bothered to code a fancier patch to let you control it list 
by list in the web interface, but that's a doable project.



From jrhay at HayA.QC.CA  Fri Mar 29 22:03:31 2002
From: jrhay at HayA.QC.CA (James R. Hay)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:03:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating from yahoo! groups to mailman?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0203291601520.4479-100000@hay.haya.qc.ca>

Hi folks,

Has anyone migrated a group from Yahoo! to mailman?  I have a script
(yahoo2mbox) which retrieves an archive and puts it into mbox format but
when mailman tries to archive the file it will only do 12 messages.
Rerunning the archiver will simply substitude the next 12 messages.

Any thoughts?

Jim.

James R. Hay				jrhay at haya.qc.ca
Hay-Net Networks
P.O. Box 46051
Pointe Claire, QC
H9R 5R4




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Sat Mar 30 00:02:56 2002
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:02:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive access with only password?
References: <5A72E578-431F-11D6-9740-0003930418EA@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3CA4F2A0.32841677@utopia.west.sun.com>

You think if someone has the admin password, they aren't capable
of doing much more damage than accessing the archives?

Ron, I think your problem is specific to you; my admin password
still lets me into anything, including archives, and I would expect
that to stay the same.

Gary Wang wrote:
> 
> Well, it IS rather convinient, but I am more concerned of the potential
> (sort-of) security risk. Because access is allowed without username,
> some d00d with evil intent would have an easier time brute-forcing the
> password..
> You know what 'they' say... to catch the bad guys, you have to think
> like them..
> On Friday, March 29, 2002, at 10:48  PM, Ron Jarrell wrote:
> 
> > At 10:41 PM 3/29/02 +0900, Gary Wang wrote:
> >> I was hacking around my new Mailman setup, and found out to my great
> >> surprise:
> >> The "private" archives are accessible without a username. Well, that's
> >> only half the story, but it really caught me by surprise. I eventually
> >> figured out that the list is accessible by entering just the admin
> >> password. Is there a way to change this so that admin also needs to
> >> enter username?
> >
> > 2.1b1 does that, which I find annoying as hell, because now if I need
> > to fix something I have to first go lookup a valid user on the list to
> > use the admin password on...  But it sounds like you'll be happy :-).
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> >
> gary c wang
> ICQ: 4343405
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py



From tneff at grassyhill.org  Wed Mar 27 18:20:28 2002
From: tneff at grassyhill.org (Tom Neff)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:20:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: stripping Received: headers
In-Reply-To: <E16qGnb-0006DY-00@mail.python.org>
References: <E16qGnb-0006DY-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <1270717578.1017231627@tom-9k5kaocfpin>

Dmitry Barabanov <dmitry at irex.ru> wrote:
> is there any easy way to strip Received: headers from messages that
> mailman sends to subscribers?

There are utilities that are distributed with 'procmail' and/or 'maildrop' 
that are very useful for this sort of thing, in particular 'formail' and 
'reformail'. You can use them to add, remove, and extract headers, and do 
all sorts of things to scandalize the Mailman developers. :)

  Procmail: http://www.procmail.org/

  Maildrop: http://www.flounder.net/~mrsam/maildrop/



From chasm at texas.net  Wed Mar 27 19:53:19 2002
From: chasm at texas.net (schuetzen - RKBA!)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:53:19 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] re  Mailman
Message-ID: <dq44augpobkmbphav152bmdqvv2e4uboht@4ax.com>

in re your url at http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/MM21/features.html

I have about a dozen elists on Yahoogroups and would love to get them off there
and onto a webhost (which I am also looking for) but I really and truly like ALL
the features of YHG's email software.

I would like to see - in Mailman
attachment stripping
html stripping
firewall, etc protection.
a good program like Norton Internet Security to protect the list
notice to moderators of new members, new messages of moderated members
member moderation
member banning
list of banned members stored with a reason given for each
list of bounced and the bounces
ability to toll the bounced to see if the address is live or not
etc....

is any of this in the future??
or is there another unix based s/w that is closer to what I want?

thanks
chas

--

New email address  chasm at texas.net
change @insync.net to @texas.net
visit www.schuetzen.net



From delilah at seyyav.pair.com  Wed Mar 27 21:52:44 2002
From: delilah at seyyav.pair.com (sean pambianco)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:52:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts held for approval
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0203271540030.45709-100000@seyyav.pair.com>

Hi,

I'm moving a live list over to a different server, before the move could
be completed there were some pending posts held for administor approval,
I copied over the request.db file but when I access the pending task
section, the it shows that posts are being held but it can't find the
message:

	Posting Held for Approval (1 of 5)

Message with id #119 was lost.

Where would the message be on the old server?

Thanks,

Sean




From dks at cci.lbl.gov  Thu Mar 28 01:06:03 2002
From: dks at cci.lbl.gov (DK Smith)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:06:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] possible type on the System Setup page?
Message-ID: <200203280006.g2S063L364356@boa.lbl.gov>

<http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/install-system.html>

This text:

% cd $prefix
% chgrp mailman .
% chmod a+rx,g+ws .


Shoudl he chgrp and chmod commands include the switch capital R  (-R)  ?

On a fresh installation, if I run these exact commands without the 
switch -R then the program check_perms is not happy....

FYI
dk



From dale at accentre.com  Thu Mar 28 03:06:42 2002
From: dale at accentre.com (dale at accentre.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:06:42 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bad links on http://www.list.org/MM21/faq.html
Message-ID: <20020327180642.R30933@cupro.opengvs.com>

Sorry for the widespread distribution this is getting, but this *is*
the address given on the referenced page under "Email Us", so I hope
this will get to the right person so this can be corrected.

On page http://www.list.org/MM21/faq.html
the links:

    (Stripmime) http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html.

    (Demime) http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html. 

don't work because they both have a period at the end of the URL.



From rmk at arm.linux.org.uk  Thu Mar 28 16:43:01 2002
From: rmk at arm.linux.org.uk (Russell King)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:43:01 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another mailman bug
Message-ID: <20020328154301.A3424@flint.arm.linux.org.uk>

Hi,

I've just been through my mailman lists handling the held postings, and I
notice that mailman is playing silly buggers with the web interface.
Please see:

    http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/images/mailmangroupings.jpg

I'm rapidly loosing confidence in Mailman as a decent piece of secure
software, especially as my attempts to report previous bugs/add them to
the sourceforge bug manager go totally unacknowledged for MONTHS.  In
fact, I've NEVER had any acknowledgement from the mailman developers
for ANYTHING.  I'm expecting this one to be handled the same way, so
I don't suppose it matters whatever I put in this email.

Since I can't wait around for months while no one even responds to
something like this, I've handled those pending messages the best I
can, so consider any data mailman had lost.

Thanks.

-- 
Russell King (rmk at arm.linux.org.uk)                The developer of ARM Linux
             http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/personal/aboutme.html




From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Sat Mar 30 02:27:47 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 17:27:47 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] weird locking problems
Message-ID: <20020330012747.GC30944@hq.newdream.net>

i've been having some problems with our mailman installation at the
office.  it's mailman 2.0.8 from the debian package (so the installation
is a bit weird, to conform with debian policy etc. etc.), but seems to
work pretty well most of the time.

the archives are from an older mailman installation, and are mounted
over NFS on a filer (which tends to crap out occasionally).  i'm moving
the files to a slightly less crappy filer, which might help somewhat...

anyway the problem is that there are lock files, which don't have a date
or time on them.  if i create files in that directory, they have a date
/ time as they should, but the lock files look like:
-rw-rw-r--    2 list     list           41 Mar 29  2002 adm.lock
-rw-rw-r--    2 list     list           41 Mar 29  2002 adm.lock.ladd.9136
-rw-rw-r--    1 list     list           41 Mar 29  2002 adm.lock.ladd.9249

if i do:
% touch booger
i get:
-rw-r--r--    1 root     list            0 Mar 29 17:26 booger

my guess is this is because of NFS. the time on the two machines is
synchronized via NTP, so the time on both machines is the same. the
locks directory itself (and all of the other mailman directories) are on
a local drive - just the archive and mbox files are mounted via NFS.
 
generally, removing the locks fixes the problem (which happens once or
twice a day).

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Sat Mar 30 02:39:20 2002
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 17:39:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] weird locking problems
Message-ID: <200203300139.g2U1dLWk003663@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> anyway the problem is that there are lock files, which don't have a date
> or time on them.  if i create files in that directory, they have a date
> / time as they should, but the lock files look like:
> -rw-rw-r--    2 list     list           41 Mar 29  2002 adm.lock
> -rw-rw-r--    2 list     list           41 Mar 29  2002 adm.lock.ladd.9136
> -rw-rw-r--    1 list     list           41 Mar 29  2002 adm.lock.ladd.9249
> 
> if i do:
> % touch booger
> i get:
> -rw-r--r--    1 root     list            0 Mar 29 17:26 booger
> 
> my guess is this is because of NFS. the time on the two machines is
> synchronized via NTP, so the time on both machines is the same. the
> locks directory itself (and all of the other mailman directories) are on
> a local drive - just the archive and mbox files are mounted via NFS.
>  
> generally, removing the locks fixes the problem (which happens once or
> twice a day).

What you're seeing is that the lock file timestamp is in the future,
and that's by design; the file timestamp is used as the 'expiration
time' to break stale locks.  It's normal behavior.  Do you think
it's causing problems?

(This 'feature' of ls is not well known, but that's what it does
for times in the future.)




From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Sat Mar 30 02:48:30 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 17:48:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: weird locking problems
In-Reply-To: <200203300139.g2U1dLWk003663@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
References: <200203300139.g2U1dLWk003663@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <20020330014830.GD30944@hq.newdream.net>

Dan Mick wrote:
 
> What you're seeing is that the lock file timestamp is in the future,
> and that's by design; the file timestamp is used as the 'expiration
> time' to break stale locks.  It's normal behavior.  Do you think it's
> causing problems?
> 
> (This 'feature' of ls is not well known, but that's what it does for
> times in the future.)

that was what i thought (the future timestamp).

however on other installations of mailman i hadn't noticed this
(although now that i look, all of the locks on the other machines are
pretty old, so perhaps time caught up with them...).

in any event, i wasn't sure if this was the problem; however removing
the locks generally fixes the problems (ie messages on the list won't
appear and after removing the locks, they do).

in any event, i suspect either nfs problems or something weird with
debian's installation.

also, some of the config files and all of the archive / mbox files are
from an older installation of mailman, so it's possible that something's
screwed up that way.

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Sat Mar 30 02:56:20 2002
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 17:56:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: weird locking problems
Message-ID: <200203300156.g2U1uLWk006192@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> in any event, i wasn't sure if this was the problem; however removing
> the locks generally fixes the problems (ie messages on the list won't
> appear and after removing the locks, they do).

There may well be locking issues, but the future timestamp
is not evidence.  Try checking for the PIDs; early process death
is the usual problem.  Check logs/error for that PID.




From wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu  Sat Mar 30 03:20:24 2002
From: wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu (Paul L. Schumacher)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:20:24 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Files and Mailman... a question.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0203292018220.25151-100000@linux2.winona.msus.edu>

Yahoo groups has a service that allows users to upload files, and it
notifies the users of new uploads.  Can this, or has this been done with
Mailmna?

thanks

-- 
Paul L. Schumacher
Winona State University
Computer Science Department




From jarrell at vt.edu  Sat Mar 30 03:30:56 2002
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 21:30:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: how to remove List-* headers
In-Reply-To: <38412609.1017405440@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <E16qxBg-00007A-00@mail.python.org>
 <E16qxBg-00007A-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020329212901.00a0d9d0@lennier.cc.vt.edu>

At 12:37 PM 3/29/02 -0500, Tom Neff wrote:
>On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 23:53:00 +1100
>Darryl Harvey <darryl at harvey.net.au> wrote:
>>I was wondering if there was an option to turn on or off the email
>>headers that mailman adds.
>
>This is one of their ideological hot buttons - you're not supposed to WANT 
>to turn them off. :)
>
>Back in the real world - go to $base/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py - 
>down in the last few lines - and look for a line saying

In 2.1 you can go into mm_cfg.py and break RFC2369 compliance by setting 
ALLOW_RFC2369_OVERRIDES to 1.   That'll enable a policy at your site that 
list owners can turn it off, which will cause the cgi scripts to display 
that as an option for them.





From quartertone at mac.com  Sat Mar 30 03:38:29 2002
From: quartertone at mac.com (Gary Wang)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:38:29 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] possible type on the System Setup page?
In-Reply-To: <200203280006.g2S063L364356@boa.lbl.gov>
Message-ID: <3850D38C-4387-11D6-841E-0003930418EA@mac.com>

I think that is how it's should be, since on a fresh install, these 
commands are entered *before* you `make install`.


On Thursday, March 28, 2002, at 09:06  AM, DK Smith wrote:

> <http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/install-system.html>
>
> This text:
>
> % cd $prefix
> % chgrp mailman .
> % chmod a+rx,g+ws .
>
>
> Shoudl he chgrp and chmod commands include the switch capital R  (-R)  ?
>
> On a fresh installation, if I run these exact commands without the
> switch -R then the program check_perms is not happy....
>
> FYI
> dk




From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Sat Mar 30 03:59:05 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 18:59:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another mailman bug
In-Reply-To: <20020328154301.A3424@flint.arm.linux.org.uk>
References: <20020328154301.A3424@flint.arm.linux.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20020330025904.GY31155@merlins.org>

On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 03:43:01PM +0000, Russell King wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've just been through my mailman lists handling the held postings, and I
> notice that mailman is playing silly buggers with the web interface.
> Please see:
> 
>     http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/images/mailmangroupings.jpg
 
I've had this too. While I didn't inspect the HTML, I thought it was a
mozilla bug and not a mailman one
 
> I'm rapidly loosing confidence in Mailman as a decent piece of secure
> software, especially as my attempts to report previous bugs/add them to
> the sourceforge bug manager go totally unacknowledged for MONTHS.  In

It is unfortunate, but Barry is not very good at looking at the SF bugs and
patches. Mail on mailman-developers and his day job keep him busy enough.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From tneff at bigfoot.com  Sat Mar 30 04:36:45 2002
From: tneff at bigfoot.com (Tom Neff)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:36:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: how to remove List-* headers
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020329212901.00a0d9d0@lennier.cc.vt.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020329212901.00a0d9d0@lennier.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <74378562.1017441405@[192.168.0.4]>

--On Friday, March 29, 2002 9:30 PM -0500 Ron Jarrell <jarrell at vt.edu> 
wrote:
> In 2.1 you can go into mm_cfg.py and break RFC2369 compliance by setting
> ALLOW_RFC2369_OVERRIDES to 1.   That'll enable a policy at your site that
> list owners can turn it off, which will cause the cgi scripts to display
> that as an option for them.

Quite the contrary, RFC2369 says

	Implementing these fields will be optional.

Therefore, by adding a manager's option for those headers instead of trying 
to force them on everyone, Mailman 2.1 has finally been brought into 
RFC2369 compliance.  Thanks for the reminder on this environment variable, 
I hadn't reviewed that part of the 2.1 config yet.  My patch works under 
2.0.8 and similar versions.



From jarrell at vt.edu  Sat Mar 30 05:32:54 2002
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 23:32:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] re  Mailman
In-Reply-To: <dq44augpobkmbphav152bmdqvv2e4uboht@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020329232714.00a1b040@lennier.cc.vt.edu>

At 12:53 PM 3/27/02 -0600, schuetzen - RKBA! wrote:

>in re your url at http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/MM21/features.html
>
>I have about a dozen elists on Yahoogroups and would love to get them off 
>there
>and onto a webhost (which I am also looking for) but I really and truly 
>like ALL
>the features of YHG's email software.
>
>I would like to see - in Mailman
>attachment stripping

in 2.1

>html stripping

In the plans for a good solution - until then, there's a user contributed 
solution that you
can run as a filter before handing the message off.

>firewall, etc protection.

Umm, that has nothing to do with mailing lists.

>a good program like Norton Internet Security to protect the list

Again, what does a firewall have to do with mailing lists. Are you looking
for a *virus scanner*?  Way beyond the scope of an MLM - that's more a system
level issue.

>notice to moderators of new members, new messages of moderated members

I don't remember if the messages specificaly go to moderators too, but 
notice of
member operations has gone to the admin since probably day 1.  Moderated 
messages
certainly do.

>member moderation

Yup, in 2.1.

>member banning

2.1

>list of banned members stored with a reason given for each

The list is stored.  No explicit reason field is there, but most of those
fields allow for comments in the box, you could try that (I.e. # Something)

>list of bounced and the bounces

Not from the web interface.  The bounce log keeps track of who bounced,
and the score will tell if you it was hard or soft, if mailman is set to 
process
bounces.  If you want to see all the bounces, turn that off.

>ability to toll the bounced to see if the address is live or not

In 2.1 after it turns someone off, it sends periodic (configurable) reminders
to the person telling them they're disabled, with a url they can click to 
renable
themselves quickly.  After another (configurable) while, it'll give up on 
them and
delete them.





From jarrell at vt.edu  Sat Mar 30 05:19:11 2002
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 23:19:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another mailman bug
In-Reply-To: <20020328154301.A3424@flint.arm.linux.org.uk>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020329231110.00a0b700@lennier.cc.vt.edu>

At 03:43 PM 3/28/02 +0000, Russell King wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I've just been through my mailman lists handling the held postings, and I
>notice that mailman is playing silly buggers with the web interface.
>Please see:
>
>     http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/images/mailmangroupings.jpg

What's the issue?  The funny characters in subject?  That message
claims to be in the ks_c_5601_1987 character set, which is probably
an oriental set.  It's not displaying right in 7bit ascii.  2.1 would 
probably handle it much better, unless the html the person was sending you 
claiming
one charset and using another.

The dev team has been slow about dealing with 2.0 issues because all
the energy is going to 2.1 right now, which is in beta.





From quartertone at mac.com  Sat Mar 30 13:15:54 2002
From: quartertone at mac.com (Gary Wang)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 21:15:54 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring for Postfix
Message-ID: <E2615912-43D7-11D6-8490-0003930418EA@mac.com>

I'm trying to get v2.1b1 to work.. I actually had it working, but for 
some reason (I don't remember why) I decided to re-install. Now I can't 
even get one message to go through to the mailman wrappers. I'm trying 
to configure for Postfix and Mailman to work together. Like I mentioned, 
this setup was working earlier. Here is what I'm doing.
Lines with ";;" are comments, so as not to confuse with "#"=root prompt.

$ su root

# mkdir /home/mailman
# chown mailman.mailman /home/mailman
# chmod 02775 /home/mailman

# su mailman

% cd /usr/local/src/mailman2.1b1
% ./configure --prefix=/home/mailman --with-mail-gid=mailman 
--with-cgi-gid=nobody
% make install

% cd ~
% bin/check_perms -f
% vi Mailman/mm_cfg.py
;; add this to file
	MTA = 'Postfix'

% less Mailman/Defaults.py
;; check path for POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD and POSTFIX_MAP_CMD

% bin/genaliases
% chown mailman.mailman data/aliases*	  ;;(not really necessary.. but 
what the heck)
% exit

# vi /etc/postfix/main.cf
;; edit so that:
	alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/home/mailman/data/aliases

# newaliases
# postfix reload

# su mailman
% cd ~
% bin/newlist testlist
;; set password, etc
;; "press enter to notify owner"..

% exit

# newaliases
# postfix reload
;; just in case

Go to web interface, add user ("successfully added xxx at xxx.com")
send e-mail to testlist at mydomain.net
Nothing happens.

What's missing here ...?

gary




From cary at ratatosk.org  Sat Mar 30 16:20:04 2002
From: cary at ratatosk.org (Cary Collett)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:20:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Courier MTA
Message-ID: <20020330152004.GF1369@ratatosk.org>


Hello all,


I've used Mailman with sendmail and qmail, but Courier has me
stumped. (This is my first time using it.) I asked about this
on the courier-users list and got no response. :( So, I'm
asking here now.

Anyhow... Mailman installed just fine. I can use the web 
interface to request to join a list. However, when I reply
to confirm it fails. 

I get messages like this in my maillog:

Mar 28 16:15:25 denna courierd:+started,id=0005980A.3CA37D61.00007999,from=<cary at ratatosk.org>,module=local,hos+t=alias!.xalias/foobar+2drequest at ratatosk+2eorg!520!520!/usr/local/courier/etc/+aliasdir!!,addr=<alias>
Mar 28 16:15:25 denna courierd: Waiting. shutdown time=none, wakeup time=Thu+Mar 28 16:16:19 2002, queuedelivering=9, inprogress=1
Mar 28 16:15:25 denna Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid+12, GOT gid 520. (Reconfigure to take 520?) 
Mar 28 16:15:25 denna courierlocal: +id=0005980A.3CA37D61.00007999,from=<cary at ratatosk.org>,addr=<".xalias/foobar+2d+request at ratatosk+2eorg"@ratatosk.org>: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12,+GOT gid 520. (Reconfigure to take 520?) 
 
My aliases, in courier/etc/system are: 

foobar: | /home/mailman/mailman/mail/wrapper post foobar
foobar-request: | /home/mailman/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd foobar
foobar-admin: | /home/mailman/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner foobar
foobar-owner: foobar-admin

How do I tell courier that UID 520 (which the mailman user) is 
okay to run a script as? 
 
Or is something else wrong/misconfigured? 


Cary



From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Mar 30 21:37:24 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 12:37:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] re Mailman 
In-Reply-To: Message from schuetzen - RKBA! <chasm@texas.net> 
   of "Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:53:19 CST." <dq44augpobkmbphav152bmdqvv2e4uboht@4ax.com> 
References: <dq44augpobkmbphav152bmdqvv2e4uboht@4ax.com> 
Message-ID: <27318.1017520644@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:53:19 -0600 
chasm  <schuetzen> wrote:

> attachment stripping 

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py, partial feature in 2.1,
external tools remain probably best choice.

> html stripping

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

> firewall, etc protection

Unnecessary and totally unrelated to a list server.  

> a good program like Norton Internet Security to protect the list

Unnecessary and totally unrelated to a list server.  

> notice to moderators of new members, new messages of moderated members

Already present.

> member moderation 

Present in 2.0, Improved in 2.1.

> member banning 
> list of banned members stored with a reason given for each 
> list of bounced and the bounces 

Mailman does not track this data, but can/does email the data to you as
each bouncer is processed.  You can fairly trivially build any system
you want from there, or submit a patch to track it in-server.

> ability to toll the bounced to see if the address is live or not

Nope.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Mar 30 21:44:32 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 12:44:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: how to remove List-* headers 
In-Reply-To: Message from Tom Neff <tneff@bigfoot.com> 
   of "Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:36:45 EST." <74378562.1017441405@[192.168.0.4]> 
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020329212901.00a0d9d0@lennier.cc.vt.edu>  <74378562.1017441405@[192.168.0.4]> 
Message-ID: <27401.1017521072@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:36:45 -0500 
Tom Neff <tneff at bigfoot.com> wrote:

> Quite the contrary, RFC2369 says

> 	Implementing these fields will be optional.

> Therefore, by adding a manager's option for those headers instead of
> trying to force them on everyone, Mailman 2.1 has finally been brought
> into RFC2369 compliance.  

Nope.

The RFC states that conformant systems may or may not implement the
various headers (ie optional), it does not state that any given system
that supports those headers must also allow them to be disabled.
Mailman was conformant previously and now with the config option (which
I greatly regret) is still conformant.  There has been no change in that
regard.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From gs-list at glsrms.com  Sun Mar 31 05:11:15 2002
From: gs-list at glsrms.com (gs-list)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 21:11:15 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Assistance with Mm install
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020330210831.027ae0d0@stormie.glsrms.com>

I'm having some difficulty with my recent mailman installation.  Whenever 
the mailman program sends out messages, it says:

From: list-owner at domain.tld

What I'd like it to say is:

From: list-owner at mailman.domain.tld

How do I change this?

Thanks in advance,
Gregg Sperling
gs-list at glsrms.com




From webmaster at bestafs.com  Sun Mar 31 22:49:23 2002
From: webmaster at bestafs.com (Rich Gordon)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 12:49:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message has implicit destination
Message-ID: <003501c1d8f5$8b96fd80$5f1efea9@computer2>

Hi-
I'm a new user of mailman.

I have set my parameters so that I do not
have to approve any posted messages yet
anytime someone posts a message it gets
sent to me for approval with the following reason:

"Message has implicit destination"

How do I correct this problem?

Thank you in advance,
Rich


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From dboothe at attbi.com  Sat Mar 30 01:22:05 2002
From: dboothe at attbi.com (David Boothe)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 19:22:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers, etc...
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020329191829.00b49548@mail.attbi.com>

Hi all.  I am new to MailMan from the majordomo world.  I like some of the 
features of MailMan a lot but all those headers just have to go!  heck for 
many of my subscribers this makes it so they have to scroll off the page to 
see the message.  Thats a real pain!  Not only that but I have two lists 
that are read only and I dont want subscribers getting POST, etc 
instructions with every message that are not even usable.  My footer 
contains unsubscribe information and there is no point adding subscribe 
info to a list header since only subscribers will be getting the mail in 
the first place.  how do I go about getting all of that junk (even though 
it is all hunky dorey by whatever mail standard it is) out of my list?


Thanks,
David




From Thugworld2 at aol.com  Sat Mar 30 04:35:28 2002
From: Thugworld2 at aol.com (Thugworld2 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:35:28 EST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing list
Message-ID: <121.e6d51c2.29d68c80@aol.com>

I set up a mailing list through burst.net using mailman but I dont understand 
how can useres join my site without me having to individually enter in their 
email addresses. 
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From theparsons at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 30 22:04:25 2002
From: theparsons at yahoo.com (theparsons)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:04:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about your program
Message-ID: <JMEKIOKIIHPIKOOLEMHKCEEMKNAA.theparsons@yahoo.com>

I'm brand new at having my own website, in fact, it's not even done and
published yet.....but one thing I want to have is a mailing list, I'm tired
of yahoogroups and their failings.  But...I can't figure out whether your
program allows attachments to emails, whether it archives those attachments
and if yes to both those, what are the size limits of attachments to
individual emails, and the limit to the total amount of archives available.

Thanks.
Jan


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From CJRhoads at ETMAssociates.com  Sun Mar 31 16:13:28 2002
From: CJRhoads at ETMAssociates.com (CJ Rhoads)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 09:13:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 questions
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020331091328.012a4528@pop.ceinetworks.com>

First off, I'd like to thank you heartily for the work that you (and other,
I assume) have done on Mailman.  It is wonderful.

I noticed on the wish list a couple of things that I had hoped Mailman can
do.  I'd like to verify that the current version cannot do these things and
find out if there is a workaround.  Alternatively, perhaps I misunderstood
and simply need to know what I need to do in order to accomplish my
objectives.

1.  I want my subscribers to be able to subscribe with an email so I can
ask them for their email and have my web page automatically subscribe them
(after replying to a confirmation email, of course.  Just like Yahoo groups
works).  

2.  I want to be able to suppress all the long headers sent out in the
messages.  Most of my subscribers are totally computer illiterate and that
long page of addresses and useful information will just confuse the heck
out of them.  I wouldn't mind having it at the bottom, but currently they
have to scroll to see the actual message - which is not optimum.

Can you help?

Thanks
CJ Rhoads
taijiquanclub.com

484-332-3331


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